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From the New York Times:

First Clinton-Trump Debate Is Framed by Rifts Over Race and Gender
By PATRICK HEALY and ALEXANDER BURNS SEPT. 25, 2016

Hillary Clinton and Donald J. Trump are spoiling for an extraordinary clash over race and gender that could come as early as Monday’s debate, with both presidential candidates increasingly staking their fortunes on the cultural issues that are convulsing the nation. …

In a campaign that has veered from traditional policy arguments toward a battle over national identity and values, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Trump are more sharply opposed over racial and gender issues than any two presidential opponents in decades. Rather than play it safe with milquetoast positions, Mrs. Clinton wants to increase turnout among African-Americans and women by tackling issues of bias and respect. Mr. Trump is positioning himself at the vanguard of white men. …

Many Democrats believe Mrs. Clinton has an edge: Her party is energized around these issues and seems eager for a fight, while some Republicans sound fatigued about racism in law enforcement.

“Race and gender are often ignored, often belittled with ridiculous sound bites,” said Donna Brazile, the chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee. “Having the two of them debate race and gender issues would show more clearly than anything else that one candidate has a record and vision to bring people together, and one has offered the most divisive, bigoted and sexist comments and policies we’ve seen from a major party nominee.”

Yet Republicans see electoral advantages for Mr. Trump. He won the nomination largely by appealing to the resentments of whites, especially working-class voters who say they are tired of debating racism and appreciate Mr. Trump’s message of law and order. He is also emphasizing security at a time of unpredictable violence in American cities, such as Friday’s fatal shooting of five people at a mall near Seattle.

Extremely “unpredictable” …

Hillary’s got to be figuring the Law of Averages has to finally be on her side with the next bad guy after such a long run of bad luck. Maybe the U. of Illinois party shooter will turn out to be a Young Republican … Is that too much to hope for? I mean, really, God, whose side are you on? Every time you turn on the news, some new atrocity is being committed by Muslims or blacks or immigrants, or even by a stabby Muslim black immigrant like that guy in St. Cloud, MN. I mean, what are the odds?

Even the last two white male cops who shot black guys turned out to be a black and a woman! How unlucky is that?

Where’s another Dylann Roof when you need him? (Maybe somebody in South Carolina prison administration who could really use a Presidential pardon or two by January 19, 2017 could, say, spring Roof from prison, hand him a loaded assault rifle, and point him toward, you know, the Elderly Black Peoples Gospel Festival. Or something? Hillary’s just asking. For a friend.)

… Mrs. Clinton, who holds a slim lead in national poll averages, has responded to the violence of the last week by casting herself again as a champion of diversity and inclusion. She spoke out quickly after the fatal police shooting of a black man in Tulsa, Okla., to denounce “systemic racism” against blacks. And after the recent bombings in New York and New Jersey, she rushed to make the case that Mr. Trump had endangered the country with his oratorical attacks on Muslims. …

Obviously, if we don’t let in millions more immigrants from the hotheaded parts of the world, then the Muslims who are already here will get really mad and kill us all. Why is Trump too stupid to understand simple logic like that?

Mr. Trump has hardened his own arguments recently, and dialed up his warnings against excessive social tolerance. He speculated last week that political correctness might have held back authorities from stopping the attacks in New York and New Jersey, and he asserted that admitting more refugees from Syria would harm the American “quality of life.”

After the police shootings in Tulsa and Charlotte, Mr. Trump’s running mate, Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana, complained that there was “too much of this talk of institutional bias or racism in law enforcement.”

Mr. Pence and several Republican lawmakers have drawn criticism for such remarks on race, including a congressman from North Carolina, Robert Pittenger, who said that protesters in Charlotte “hate white people because white people are successful and they’re not.” Mr. Pittenger later apologized. …

And what about that Republican Congressman, Steve King, who claimed that white people had contributed more to civilization? That was really ignorant! Hasn’t he ever looked up “American inventors” on Google?

Mr. Trump also boasted of having employed women in influential jobs. But he risked alienating some women voters over the weekend by threatening to provide a front-row seat at the debate to Ms. Flowers as retaliation to remarks by Mark Cuban, the billionaire who has been a vocal Trump critic.

Granted, some women might think that’s a pretty funny joke, but they aren’t the Right Kind of Women.

Celinda Lake, a Democratic pollster, said Mrs. Clinton’s focus on “bringing people together” would resonate with female voters, many of whom are troubled by the recent police shootings.

Like these people are being brought together in Charlotte:

 
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  1. Ian says:

    Hunting animal Trump would demolish sick, shrill, insulated-from-real-life Hillary in a fair debate. But my feeling is that (1) her staff saw the questions days ago, (2) she’ll have an earpiece in, (3) the live audience was selected to lean her way and will applaud and hiss accordingly, and (4) Lester Holt would rather have Cindy Crowley’s post-event fallout than than Matt Lauer’s. So – a draw?

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    No.

    A Situationist media spectacle.
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  2. TangoMan says:

    I don’t like that I’m seeing reports that Trump is not preparing for this debate.

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    • Replies: @IHTG
    https://twitter.com/JasonMillerinDC/status/780256627920347136
    , @Jack Hanson
    I guess Trump would never sucker in Clinton by lying to lower her own guard.
    , @MikeJa

    I don’t like that I’m seeing reports that Trump is not preparing for this debate.
     
    I don't believe anything either camp is putting out about debate prep
    , @SteveRogers42
    Deception. Misdirection. Head fakes.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    You mean like those put out by the establishment RINOs who prepped Romney for his successful presidential campaign four years ago?
    , @Stephen R. Diamond
    He didn't prepare. If he had, he wouldn't have omitted even mentioning Clinton's hugest mistake: the "basket of deplorables."
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  3. If anybody is planning to listen to the radio, the 50,000 watt “Voice of the West,” KOA News Radio (850 AM, 94.1 FM, and available for streaming via iHeartRadio from any device in the world) will be hosting a debate party and I will be live and in the studio as one of their post-debate panelists, doing my best to defend Donald Trump and the Alt-Right.

    I don’t really know what the format will be, and in any case this is my radio debut, so please wish me luck. I make no promises about getting a plug in, but if I do, I should like to know the correct pronunciation of Steve’s name. Is it just like “sailor” or does it rhyme with “Tyler”?

    Hopefully there will be a link to a podcast I can post later.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I should like to know the correct pronunciation of Steve’s name. Is it just like “sailor” or does it rhyme with “Tyler”?
     
    Pretty much like sail-or, although I just say sail-er or say-ler. Now that I think about it, I should ask some relatives whether the syllable break should fall before or after the L.

    I've been told that people in the German speaking countries say Syl-er (or Sy-ler).

    , @Steve Sailer

    I should like to know the correct pronunciation of Steve’s name. Is it just like “sailor” or does it rhyme with “Tyler”?
     
    Pretty much like sail-or, although I just say sail-er or say-ler. Now that I think about it, I should ask some relatives whether the syllable break should fall before or after the L.

    I've been told that people in the German speaking countries say Syl-er (or maybe Sy-ler). Here's a magazine article saying the most famous Sailer, Austrian ski champion Toni Sailer, is pronounced Sy-lor:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=stYBeisv0aMC&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=pronounce+toni+sailer&source=bl&ots=aoURhYT0UU&sig=f-Et7TDL1xTFKHu2jJPIRQTtRyw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiko4LE2azPAhUk04MKHcuEDUQQ6AEIMDAD#v=onepage&q=pronounce%20toni%20sailer&f=false

    , @eggheadshadhisnumber
    It would be nice if some of the Alt-Right personalities could avoid, in public appearances, mentioning Nazis, Jews, "race realism" and all the other crap that undermined paleoconservatism/nationalist populism last time around. Emphasizing topics like fair trade, selective immigration, and non-interventionism is much more convincing than waving around racial IQ tables. "Alt-Right" is a terrible descriptor in the first place, so sounding like a skinhead talking-point machine doesn't do much to persuade people.
    , @Kylie
    Good luck! I'm sure you will do us credit.
    , @Wade
    Were you able to get a link up?
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  4. abner says:

    I’m really hoping he finds ways to hit her on Libya and Syria. Both because I think it’s a good idea, but also because I want a President Trump to be forced by his own words not to allow the DoD/State/CIA to continue their three-headed train wreck until it explodes into something that will be blamed on the new nationalist Republicans.

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    • Replies: @Dissident
    I agree.

    I'd go even further, wishing Trump would be as strong on opposition to invade as he has been on opposition to invite. (But can he? Would the donors and controlling elites allow that?)

    And whenever the "Islamophobic" and "racist" cards are thrown at Trump, he should respond by pointing-out that Muslims and Arabs make-up the overwhelming majority of the countless casualties-- including children and their mothers-- that Hillary Rodham-Clinton bears direct responsibility for.
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  5. @Intelligent Dasein
    If anybody is planning to listen to the radio, the 50,000 watt "Voice of the West," KOA News Radio (850 AM, 94.1 FM, and available for streaming via iHeartRadio from any device in the world) will be hosting a debate party and I will be live and in the studio as one of their post-debate panelists, doing my best to defend Donald Trump and the Alt-Right.

    I don't really know what the format will be, and in any case this is my radio debut, so please wish me luck. I make no promises about getting a plug in, but if I do, I should like to know the correct pronunciation of Steve's name. Is it just like "sailor" or does it rhyme with "Tyler"?

    Hopefully there will be a link to a podcast I can post later.

    I should like to know the correct pronunciation of Steve’s name. Is it just like “sailor” or does it rhyme with “Tyler”?

    Pretty much like sail-or, although I just say sail-er or say-ler. Now that I think about it, I should ask some relatives whether the syllable break should fall before or after the L.

    I’ve been told that people in the German speaking countries say Syl-er (or Sy-ler).

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    • Replies: @Connecticut Famer
    "Auf Deutsch" it would be "zyler" I believe. The letter "s" followed by a vowel is pronounced like a "z" i.e. "Siegfried" is pronounced "Zeegfreed".

    Quiz tomorrow.

    , @AndrewR
    Zy-luh
    , @theo the kraut
    Connecticut Famer is about right with “zyler” though in Switzerland there are some who'd use a rolled r at the end. Shouldn't matter as you're American anyway:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxxSIX3fmmo
    , @FactsAreImportant
    It's pronounced "Throatwobbler-Mangrove."
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  6. @Intelligent Dasein
    If anybody is planning to listen to the radio, the 50,000 watt "Voice of the West," KOA News Radio (850 AM, 94.1 FM, and available for streaming via iHeartRadio from any device in the world) will be hosting a debate party and I will be live and in the studio as one of their post-debate panelists, doing my best to defend Donald Trump and the Alt-Right.

    I don't really know what the format will be, and in any case this is my radio debut, so please wish me luck. I make no promises about getting a plug in, but if I do, I should like to know the correct pronunciation of Steve's name. Is it just like "sailor" or does it rhyme with "Tyler"?

    Hopefully there will be a link to a podcast I can post later.

    I should like to know the correct pronunciation of Steve’s name. Is it just like “sailor” or does it rhyme with “Tyler”?

    Pretty much like sail-or, although I just say sail-er or say-ler. Now that I think about it, I should ask some relatives whether the syllable break should fall before or after the L.

    I’ve been told that people in the German speaking countries say Syl-er (or maybe Sy-ler). Here’s a magazine article saying the most famous Sailer, Austrian ski champion Toni Sailer, is pronounced Sy-lor:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=stYBeisv0aMC&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=pronounce+toni+sailer&source=bl&ots=aoURhYT0UU&sig=f-Et7TDL1xTFKHu2jJPIRQTtRyw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiko4LE2azPAhUk04MKHcuEDUQQ6AEIMDAD#v=onepage&q=pronounce%20toni%20sailer&f=false

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    • Replies: @Venator
    The most effortless German pronunciation should be Sy-ler, with stress on the first syllable. It often gets slurred to something like Syl-uh.
    , @Cabrini Green Mommy
    Have you had a 23andMe test? Your ancestry report would probably be a source of friendly interest.
    , @AnotherDad

    I’ve been told that people in the German speaking countries say Syl-er (or maybe Sy-ler). Here’s a magazine article saying the most famous Sailer, Austrian ski champion Toni Sailer, is pronounced Sy-lor:
     
    English had the vowel shift 500+ years ago ... and i don't think we're going back.

    I think you're stuck with being Steve Say*ler here in the USofA.
    , @Hubbub
    As a rule, in German, ie combination is pronounced with a long e, ei is pronounced with a long i as is ai.

    Hope this helps.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    http://www.sailersmeats.com/

    I thought at first, this is one ugly site design, and needs a referral to someone better. But then, it is in the home of the UFO Festival, so maybe it's just otherworldly.
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  7. jim jones says:

    I have bought a bottle of whiskey in anticipation of a Trumpening

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  8. TangoMan says:

    But he risked alienating some women voters over the weekend by threatening to provide a front-row seat at the debate to Ms. Flowers as retaliation to remarks by Mark Cuban, the billionaire who has been a vocal Trump critic.

    What’s the connect the dots logic on this one? Is it that women would be offended because Trump makes Clinton feel awkward having to face one of her husband’s mistresses and women can relate to this? Does that mean women approve of Hillary’s being an enforcer against these women? How about that 12 year old rape victim that Hillary brutalized, do women also approve of that? Or does the writer mean that Hillary’s fans would be upset with Trump because he made the event more awkward for Hillary? If the “some women” is simply code for “Hillary supporters” then what does Trump have to lose?

    Some people are concerned about this being a gutter-type tactic, but I’m interested in seeing how Hillary responds to provocation while under the spotlight.

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    • Replies: @ic1000
    > How about that 12 year old rape victim that Hillary brutalized, do women also approve of that?

    I didn't understand this reference, it's to Clinton's first case as an Arkansas legal aid lawyer in 1975 (Daily Mail). She defended a middle-aged white man who was accused of violently raping a 12 year old girl. Before trial, Clinton got the crucial physical evidence (semen on the girl's underpants) excluded, due to a crime lab mistake. To undermine the girl's credibility, Clinton forced her to submit to a grueling psychological exam. These hardball tactics worked, the rapist pled to a very reduced charge, "fondling of a minor."

    The Daily Mail and the victim hear Clinton "joking," "chuckling," and "laughing" about the case during a recently unearthed interview that was taped in the 1980s.

    Snopes updated their story "Hillary Clinton Freed Child Rapist" last month; they glide over awkward details and claim that the Daily Mail's account is "Mostly False".

    Clinton's actual defense would be that legal ethics required her to advocate forcefully for her client, notwithstanding his guilt. But of course she can't say that, it would be deplorable.

    , @Woman Voter
    Picking Ms Flowers is a low blow, precisely because, as you note there are tons of women out there whom Hillary has mistreated. But instead of picking one of the women who reminds us of something bad Hillary herself has done, Trump picks the one whom Bill had the long term affair with. IIRC, Hillary never did anything to Flowers; if Flowers hates Hillary it's just the standard "Why wouldn't he leave her for me?" rivalry.

    I'm guessing Trump is right that the way to get under Hillary's skin is with a true rival for her husband's love rather than with one of his flings or attempted flings. But this is a low blow, because he's attacking with the person who victimized Hillary, rather than the people whom Hillary victimized.

    And then you think, "How does Trump understand this side of female psychology so well? Hmmm, maybe from observing Ivana back when Trump was the cheating louse."

    This is not something that would decide my vote for president. But it certainly does not make Trump look good.
    , @Whiskey
    It isn't all women but Upper Class White women. They seethe with resentment; mostly that they are not running everything, and people are not bowing down to them like Mean Girls in High School. Which is their model for social interaction and politics.

    Yes, highlighting Bill's Bimbo Erruptions and Hillary's role as enforcer would and does alienate Upper Class White women who long for feminized aristocratic rule.

    However Upper Class White women by dominating the media, media consumption/consumer advertising (most ads are aimed at them as taste-shapers of White women), and being the shock troops of corporate PC in upper leadership roles are punching far above their demographic weight. Particularly since late marriage and few kids leaves far too much free time for their resentments to be given full blown airing.
    , @Jason Liu
    Why should a society decide its policies based on what women feel offends them? If Trump becomes president, Mark Cuban should have his taxes investigated.
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  9. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    A straight forward battle between the devotees of the yoni versus the acolytes of the lingam.

    The oldest story in the world. Strange how today’s American politics conforms to this ancient, ancient primeval existential struggle.

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  10. Venator says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I should like to know the correct pronunciation of Steve’s name. Is it just like “sailor” or does it rhyme with “Tyler”?
     
    Pretty much like sail-or, although I just say sail-er or say-ler. Now that I think about it, I should ask some relatives whether the syllable break should fall before or after the L.

    I've been told that people in the German speaking countries say Syl-er (or maybe Sy-ler). Here's a magazine article saying the most famous Sailer, Austrian ski champion Toni Sailer, is pronounced Sy-lor:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=stYBeisv0aMC&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=pronounce+toni+sailer&source=bl&ots=aoURhYT0UU&sig=f-Et7TDL1xTFKHu2jJPIRQTtRyw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiko4LE2azPAhUk04MKHcuEDUQQ6AEIMDAD#v=onepage&q=pronounce%20toni%20sailer&f=false

    The most effortless German pronunciation should be Sy-ler, with stress on the first syllable. It often gets slurred to something like Syl-uh.

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  11. Lot says:

    Hillary will probably win the debate, but the media will declare Trump the winner because they want a real horserace and to raise expectations for Debate II.

    Sure the media wants Trump to lose the election, but they want it close and interesting too.

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    • Replies: @5371
    [Hillary will probably win the debate, but the media will declare Trump the winner]

    One could bet the ranch against this, if there was any prospect of agreeing terms and collecting.
    , @EriK
    I can't picture the media declaring a Trump victory no matter what happens. It's already too close for comfort.
    , @AnotherDad

    Hillary will probably win the debate, but the media will declare Trump the winner because they want a real horserace and to raise expectations for Debate II.
     
    Lot, pass that joint over here.
    , @Dennis Dale
    That's insane.
    , @unpc downunder
    That's the media's love hate relationship with populist politicians. On the one hand they hate Trump from an ideological point of view, but on the other hand they find him entertaining and newsworthy.

    Your critics seem to forget that we live in a capitalist society where the media needs ratings to attract advertisers and make money. The MSM may be biased but it isn't a government funded sociology department.
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  12. anon930 says:

    Crooked (((NYT))). I think this article is a perfect case of liberal media bias: they’re framing it like tolerant Hillary Clinton is taking on Trump the demagogue, who is appealing to evil white men! Doesn’t Trump know that it’s 2016?!

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  13. IHTG says:
    @TangoMan
    I don't like that I'm seeing reports that Trump is not preparing for this debate.

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  14. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Charlotte BLM protesters video- more of that white privilege we keep hearing about, on display.

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  15. Anonym says:

    No doubt there will be some linguistic kill-shots launched by Trump. Hopefully enough for a highlight reel. I hope there are some assaults on her disregard for classified information. Can you imagine Hillary in a major conflict?

    “Ya know Hitler, you’re going about this the wrong way. I’m available for speeches. CGI do some wonderful work btw. How far do you want to go? Poland? Czechoslovakia? Romania? Russia? While ordinarily I might have issues with that, my attitude could be considered… flexible. I pack a lot of valuable information into those speeches btw. Kthxbai”

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  16. Clyde says:

    The most crucial debate is going on right now among Hillary’s Docs. Debating what magic combo of meds to pump her up with for the Trump debate. Plus should she wear leg braces to prop her up for the 90 minute span?

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "The most crucial debate is going on right now among Hillary’s Docs. Debating what magic combo of meds to pump her up with for the Trump debate."

    Indeed. I wonder if she has mostly been out of pocket for the last week, so that they could experiment with the dosages. It'll be some kind of speed-ball she's on.
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  17. eah says:

    I let the NYT do my thinking (sic) for me:

    Why Donald Trump Should Not Be President

    Donald Trump is a man who dwells in bigotry, bluster and false promises.

    Case closed.

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    • Replies: @jill
    Yes, NYT, we need more sanity in the White House

    "We Came, We Saw, He Died"

    https://youtu.be/FmIRYvJQeHM
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  18. Dr. X says:

    The advantage should be with Trump here. Hillary has been a public figure for 30 years. She’s a known commodity. She can’t re-invent herself. Her support maxes out very, very low. Nobody’s actually for Hillary (except for maybe a few 60-year-old lesbians). She can only win if Trump comes off as unqualified.

    The question is whether Trump can capture undecided voters by not doing or saying something stupid. I think he can do it… the question is, will his naturally obnoxious New York personality get in the way. Potential pitfalls to watch for: a possibly rigged debate with trick questions, possibly rigged moderators, and biased media coverage.

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    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Possibly rigged moderators?

    Lester Holt? Lester Holt!

    This will be Trump's test. They will throw some racial garbage at him. If he folds and cucks, he's toast. If he takes them on, he might have a shot.

    Either way, his comments will be taken out of context.
    , @Kylie
    "Potential pitfalls to watch for: a possibly rigged debate with trick questions, possibly rigged moderators, and biased media coverage."

    "Possibly"? Are you serious? Those possibilities are certainties, if the Dems have their way.

    I'm hoping for the absolute worst to happen to Hillary.
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  19. Yak-15 says:

    The article talks about Muslims and police shootings. Where is the evidence that Trump and Hillary are strongly divided on race and gender? Literally zero evidence cited in the missive other than a Demkcrat woman explaining how race and gender should be an issue. Still, no information whatsoever about how they are divided.

    This article is really bad.

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    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @5371
    [This article is really bad.]

    Welcome to 2016!
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  20. G Pinfold says:

    I have just seen Hillary’s ‘I should be fifty points ahead’ speech. I may have missed something, but Steve’s post seemed to deal with the content. The real story is clearly in the delivery… Holy mother of Jehosaphat. If I came home looking like that, I would be keeping Fido warm for the next few days.
    This was highlighted tonight by Sean Hannity (who I know is no rocket scientist, but he is right on this one).
    If you have not actually watched the clip, it is essential viewing. Draw your own conclusions.
    Mine is that the Betty Ford people have been working with her this week, practising for the debate, specifically, trying to ensure that the ‘fifty points’ Hillary does not wander onstage and grab the mike.
    Which Hillary is going to show up?

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    • Agree: Anonym
    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Mine is that the Betty Ford people have been working with her this week, practising for the debate, specifically, trying to ensure that the ‘fifty points’ Hillary does not wander onstage and grab the mike.
     
    I can't wait for the shaking and eye-rolling and head bobbing and pant suit-wetting. I would hate, HATE, to be Hillary today. Going against the most unflappable guy in the world. Debate #1 Hillary and The Donald or Shaking and Not Stirred.
    , @Jack D
    If the technology was slightly more advanced, I would swear that was an animatronic robot Hillary. She is so disturbing to look at because she falls within the uncanny valley.

    Scott Adams (who endorsed Trump today, reversing his prior "I fear for my life/livelihood so I'm endorsing Hillary " endorsement) also points to the 50 points ahead video as evidence that something is seriously wrong with her.

    I get the feeling that a lot of committed Democrats would look at that video and not see anything wrong at all. The weirdness is down at the gut level where you can't quite articulate what is "off" but you know that something ain't quite right about her.
    , @slumber_j
    You're absolutely right about her delivery in that 50 Points Ahead video. Among other things, her torso barely moves as she gesticulates, making her seem to be strapped to something.

    It looks deeply unnatural. Maybe she was trying to keep her face in the same plane the whole time or something, but it contributes to the general air of extreme weirdness.
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  21. nomenym says:

    “Race and gender are often ignored”

    Yes, the problem is that there isn’t enough discussion about race and gender.

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  22. If the slangy German pronunciation of Sailer is SY-luh, that makes it the same as the normal Australian pronunciation.

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    Only for some Americans ears. The latter conversion of er to uh, yes, similar as in NE US. But the SY bit stretches things. Both in US and AU pronunciation there is a distinct difference between sai and sy. Or say and sigh. NE accent speakers and Brits would not conflate the two.
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  23. 5371 says:
    @Lot
    Hillary will probably win the debate, but the media will declare Trump the winner because they want a real horserace and to raise expectations for Debate II.

    Sure the media wants Trump to lose the election, but they want it close and interesting too.

    [Hillary will probably win the debate, but the media will declare Trump the winner]

    One could bet the ranch against this, if there was any prospect of agreeing terms and collecting.

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  24. @TangoMan
    I don't like that I'm seeing reports that Trump is not preparing for this debate.

    I guess Trump would never sucker in Clinton by lying to lower her own guard.

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    One of the main reasons Hillary can't close is that she's not very likable or trustworthy or healthy. Her rattling off factoids and position paper five-point plans doesn't address those fundamental issues. So Trump is inviting her to go heavy on technocratic bafflegab as an attempted killshot is just some misdirection.
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  25. Rather than play it safe with milquetoast positions, Mrs. Clinton wants to increase turnout among African-Americans and women by tackling issues of bias and respect. Mr. Trump is positioning himself at the vanguard of white men. …

    Many Democrats believe Mrs. Clinton has an edge: Her party is energized around these issues and seems eager for a fight, while some Republicans sound fatigued about racism in law enforcement.

    What reality are they living in? A more accurate way to put this would be that the Democratic Party is in so deep with identity politics that they are now strapped to an albatross of kooky kebabs and BLM thugs who they can’t afford to disavow. But Trumpists definitely have all the energy.

    See for example the early ballot requests in Florida that are 43-40 R as opposed to 40-43 in 2012. Or see the polling showing Hillarys firewall in flames w CO potentially already a lean R and PA a near toss up.

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  26. I am not confident. I like Trump a lot on the big issues. Limit immigrants, limit trade with China, limit military action. But I think a one on one debate like this is a chess match. You have to prepare, anticipate, lay traps, understand the strengths and weaknesses of your issues. I do not think Trump has the attention span necessary to do all of that.

    Get her to talk about Cliven Bundy, present ideas on returning federal lands to the states. Show that a growing immigrant population is bad for the environment. Trump mentioned drug overdose deaths in rural counties the other day. That is great. Sounds like he has a plan to hit her with that. But even that issue is truer and sharper when the linkage to the outsiders who are bringing in the drugs is made ( think Gov of Maine. )

    Challenge on Benghazi. She and Obama never had a plan on what to do when a facility of ours is overrun. Should have been a quick response force stationed in Sicily, for example.

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  27. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    If the 1965 Immigration Reform Act had not been passed, and if a National Origins Immigration Policy had been implemented that excluded all nonwhites:

    1)Hillary Clinton would not be a viable POTUS candidate in 2016

    2)Barack Obama never elected POTUS in 2008+2012

    3)White Folks still a 90 percent racial majority in US in 2016

    Question:Orville and Neville Wright were two Sihk Legal Immibrant brothers from the Punjab Region of India…right?

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    Yes, they moonlighted as taxi drivers
    , @(((Owen)))
    Hillary might not be a viable candidate, but Obama would still have won in 2008 with a 89% white America like the 1965 population. President Obama was very popular with white voters in swing states and had a very large margin of victory.

    And white voters vote much less on the basis of race when there's no one around actively preaching ethnic cleansing against them. That would have meant more even more white votes for Barack. No displacement means no white racial consciousness. And that would have been better for all Americans, including President Obama.
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  28. ic1000 says:

    Celinda Lake, a Democratic pollster, said Mrs. Clinton’s focus on “bringing people together” would resonate with female voters, many of whom are troubled by the recent police shootings.

    Is Democratic pollster Celinda Lake the one who is claiming that many female Clinton supporters are troubled by recent police shootings, or is that the voice of NYT reporters Healy and Burns?

    I assume that collegiate debaters have a term for phrasings in this style, where the punch line is what’s left unsaid:

    “Many Clinton supporters are troubled by the recent police shootings [in contrast to Trump voters' approval of racist gunslinging].

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    This sounds like spin. A voter who think destructive rioting is a justified response to a police shooting that may or may not be justified, is already a committed Hillary voter. Women who are undecided or low info are going to be more concerned about the violence.
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  29. “Race and gender,” “race and gender,” race and gender…”

    Trump would do well to try to put forth two signature issues of his that link together and have little to do with the “race and gender” topics the Left and MSM want to constantly steer him into.

    Our trade policies combine with our immigration policies to increase the gap between the number of people in our country who need jobs and the number of jobs available.

    He has correctly linked this double-headed disaster to the destruction of our inner cities and the black people who live there.

    I’d like to see him take that tack, and I’d like to see his entire front row filled with women Mrs. Clinton harrassed and destroyed after her husband/political partner schtupped, groped, molested or raped them.

    This is how I’d like to see Trump handle the “race and gender” issues.

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    I appreciate your ideas for ways that Trump could turn the "race and gender [sic]" cards against the Democrats. Additional ways he could do that, and also add the "LGBTQ" card to the mix, would be to point-out and emphasize facts and arguments such as the following:

    - The overwhelming majority of the victims of black crime are blacks.

    - To attack, malign and undermine the police is not in the self-interest of decent blacks; they are the ones who will suffer most from a weakened or antagonized police force. If the BLM-type agitators keep-up their incitement and attacks, the number of decent, well-adjusted, competent individuals on police forces across the country can be expected to dwindle.

    - Affirmative action harms all of society-- including blacks, women and all of the others it purports to benefit.

    Are blacks, women or "Latinos" somehow less subject than whites or anyone else to the very real risk of being harmed, for example, by an under-qualified/incompetent physician, nurse, policeman or fireman?

    - The alarming prevalence of women (and, especially, young women and even girls) facing and succumbing-to pressure to subject themselves to the degrading, humiliating, depraved, dangerous and painful (pseudo-)sex act of buggery-- anal penetration. (Graphic content at link) Trump should specifically point-out the influence of both pornography as well as the "LGBTQ" lobby* as being culpable here.

    (*in normalizing said act and declaring it "homophobic" to tell the hideous truth about it. Would anyone doubt that the "homophobia" card has been played by more than a few heterosexual teenage boys, as part of the arsenal they employed to persuade a female partner to indulge their porn-inspired, depraved fantasies? "But honey, all the gays do it this way...You're not {gasp!} homophobic [sic] now, are you?!")

    - The clear, overwhelming statistics that show, incontrovertibly, both
    a) how inordinately disease-promoting anal penetration is -- not just of HIV but also of syphilis gonorrhea, hepatitis and any number of other deadly infections
    and,
    b) that the rates for such anally-spread diseases are MANY, many times higher among homosexual males than among the general population. The disproportionality is nothing short of staggering.

    - The enormous costs, financial and otherwise, to society-at-large from these infections and diseases-- ones that result from entirely voluntary behavior.

    - The case of individuals whose sexuality was fluid during adolescence and went-on to identify as homosexual but would have matured into heterosexuality had it not been for the the influence of "LGBTQ" propaganda.

    -The reality that for today's adolescents, "coming-out" as at least one of the categories that fall under the "LGBTQ" banner is not merely acceptable and free of stigma but is even seen as desirable and prestigious; "cool".

    -The reality that as soon as an adolescent male reveals that he is attracted to members of his own sex, he begins to face a relentless campaign of pressure, indoctrination and conditioning to accept the regular use of his rectum, by other males, as a (grotesque, grossly anatomically and physiologically unsound) substitute for the female sexual orifice*. (Graphic content at link)

    - How, in most of the above examples, the very people who the "LGBTQ" lobby claims to be championing are actually the greatest victims of what it promotes and perpetrates.

    Finally, the utter quackery, fraud and sheer lunacy that is "transgender" may yet provide the most effective opportunities here.
    Especially,
    -All the confused children who are mutilated and pumped with hormones-- something that goes too far even for some on the left and others who are otherwise pro-"LGBTQ".

    Trump should use all of these examples against Hillary and the Democrats, showing how culpable, complicit and reprehensible they are in all of them. If only he would. If only he could. Alas. The buggery state appears to be firmly and deeply entrenched.
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  30. EriK says:
    @Lot
    Hillary will probably win the debate, but the media will declare Trump the winner because they want a real horserace and to raise expectations for Debate II.

    Sure the media wants Trump to lose the election, but they want it close and interesting too.

    I can’t picture the media declaring a Trump victory no matter what happens. It’s already too close for comfort.

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  31. Can’t wait for Salon’s inimitable Tuesday morning analysis of the debate WWE-style smackdown. Who’s the heel, Donald or Hillary?

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    What the hell is a house bro?
    , @Jefferson
    "Can’t wait for Salon’s inimitable Tuesday morning analysis of the debate WWE-style smackdown. Who’s the heel, Donald or Hillary?"

    Crooked Hillary is the evil establishment Mr. McMahon and Donald Trump is Stone Cold Steve Austin representing blue collar Whites.
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  32. Trump might say: “Hillary Clinton and the Democrats want to erase the borders of the United States of America — I want to secure the border by building a big, beautiful wall.” Trump might say: “Hillary Clinton pushes open borders mass immigration. Mass immigration lowers wages, swamps schools, overwhelms hospitals and harms the environment. Mass immigration destroys cultural cohesion. Mass immigration brings radical Islamic terrorism to the United States.” Trump might say: “Hillary Clinton wants to bog the United States down in endless overseas war. Hillary Clinton voted in favor of the Iraq war debacle. The Hillary Clinton foreign policy of endless war has damaged the US military. For the most part, the United States should let other countries get along the best they can. It is time to put the interests of the United States first — America First folks, that is the way it must be.”

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    Good comment Charles. This is well stated.

    I too like the sort of quick "laundry list" of bad effects that you have in here:

    “Hillary Clinton pushes open borders mass immigration. Mass immigration lowers wages, swamps schools, overwhelms hospitals and harms the environment. Mass immigration destroys cultural cohesion. Mass immigration brings radical Islamic terrorism to the United States.”
     
    The truth is mass immigration makes almost everything worse, including a bunch of stuff like income inequality, education, environment (sprawl, resources, open space, global warming), affordable housing that the Democrats pretend to care about.
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  33. ic1000 says:
    @TangoMan
    But he risked alienating some women voters over the weekend by threatening to provide a front-row seat at the debate to Ms. Flowers as retaliation to remarks by Mark Cuban, the billionaire who has been a vocal Trump critic.

    What's the connect the dots logic on this one? Is it that women would be offended because Trump makes Clinton feel awkward having to face one of her husband's mistresses and women can relate to this? Does that mean women approve of Hillary's being an enforcer against these women? How about that 12 year old rape victim that Hillary brutalized, do women also approve of that? Or does the writer mean that Hillary's fans would be upset with Trump because he made the event more awkward for Hillary? If the "some women" is simply code for "Hillary supporters" then what does Trump have to lose?

    Some people are concerned about this being a gutter-type tactic, but I'm interested in seeing how Hillary responds to provocation while under the spotlight.

    > How about that 12 year old rape victim that Hillary brutalized, do women also approve of that?

    I didn’t understand this reference, it’s to Clinton’s first case as an Arkansas legal aid lawyer in 1975 (Daily Mail). She defended a middle-aged white man who was accused of violently raping a 12 year old girl. Before trial, Clinton got the crucial physical evidence (semen on the girl’s underpants) excluded, due to a crime lab mistake. To undermine the girl’s credibility, Clinton forced her to submit to a grueling psychological exam. These hardball tactics worked, the rapist pled to a very reduced charge, “fondling of a minor.”

    The Daily Mail and the victim hear Clinton “joking,” “chuckling,” and “laughing” about the case during a recently unearthed interview that was taped in the 1980s.

    Snopes updated their story “Hillary Clinton Freed Child Rapist” last month; they glide over awkward details and claim that the Daily Mail‘s account is “Mostly False”.

    Clinton’s actual defense would be that legal ethics required her to advocate forcefully for her client, notwithstanding his guilt. But of course she can’t say that, it would be deplorable.

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    I'm not a jurist or a legal professional but it would certainly seem to me that there is a case for zealous advocacy of one's clients as a rule for a more just system overall, even if not every instance finishes "correctly."

    Even so, there is something odd about laughing about such a case later on. One might expect a decent person would be sober and humble about such an undertaking, however necessary. But maybe it's not unlike the different ways in which soldiers of war cope with the reality that they have taken lives.

    In any event, whatever the merits of Clinton's conduct on the case in question, it will not help her candidacy if the general public receives acute reminders that she is a trial attorney, especially at this point.
    , @Anonym
    Snopes has always had an establishment bias but that bias is more liberal establishment now.

    http://www.angrypatriotmovement.com/who-is-behind-snopes/
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  34. Mr. Anon says:

    It’s a travesty that the race will be decided by people whose minds will be made up by this and the other debates. Anybody who by now doesn’t have an opinion of whom to vote for, doesn’t have an opinion worth listening to. They haven’t been paying attention and ought not to be voting. But that is how Presidents are made in this fool country.

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  35. Mr. Anon says:

    “Snopes updated their story “Hillary Clinton Freed Child Rapist” last month; they glide over the most awkward details and claim that the Daily Mail‘s account is “Mostly False”.”

    Snopes is “mostly false”. It’s run by a couple of liberal cat ladies (one of whom is a man).

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  36. Mr. Anon says:
    @Clyde
    The most crucial debate is going on right now among Hillary's Docs. Debating what magic combo of meds to pump her up with for the Trump debate. Plus should she wear leg braces to prop her up for the 90 minute span?

    “The most crucial debate is going on right now among Hillary’s Docs. Debating what magic combo of meds to pump her up with for the Trump debate.”

    Indeed. I wonder if she has mostly been out of pocket for the last week, so that they could experiment with the dosages. It’ll be some kind of speed-ball she’s on.

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    We are all hoping that by now Hillary's Docs have fine tuned her witch's brew of uppers, downers (tranquilizers), cognitive enhancers, thyroid meds and anti-seizure meds so that she does not crap out in mid-debate. A seizure on stage would be ugly and in her case fugly.
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  37. MikeJa says:
    @TangoMan
    I don't like that I'm seeing reports that Trump is not preparing for this debate.

    I don’t like that I’m seeing reports that Trump is not preparing for this debate.

    I don’t believe anything either camp is putting out about debate prep

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    OT

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    Somebody doesn't understand the definition of "thin"! That is the fattest "Thin blue line" ever. But then, I really wouldn't complain, I like a little cake with my icing.
    , @AndrewR
    Why didnt she go to the manager before making a big deal on social media? Screw her.
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  39. Trump might say: “Hillary Clinton pushes trade deal scams that harm the United States of America. Hillary Clinton’s husband, Bill, rammed the North American Free Trade Agreement through the US Congress in 1993. NAFTA has given the US worker the SHAFTA. I will renegotiate NAFTA or end it. NAFTA has lowered wages for US workers. NAFTA has resulted in millions of illegal aliens pouring across the United States border. NAFTA has eroded the sovereignty of the United States. NAFTA has hollowed out the industrial base of the United States.” Trump might say: “Hillary Clinton has pushed the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal scam. Now Hillary Clinton says she’s against the Trans-Pacific partnership. Does anyone out there believe that Hillary Clinton doesn’t still support the Trans-Pacific Partnership? The Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal scam is worse than the North American Free Trade Agreement. US Senator Jeff Sessions says that the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal scam is an attack on American workers. US Senator Jeff Sessions says that the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal scam is an attack on US national sovereignty. I trust US Senator Jeff Sessions, and I don’t trust Hillary Clinton on the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal scam.”

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    All those issues you mention make excellent debating points; but I think the negative impact of NAFTA has been greatly exaggerated. The true murder of American economy started after the PNTR bill was signed on October 10, 2000; https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/106/hr4444

    That is the date, if a date is needed, to mark when America started on the downward path to perdition. I believe it is impossible to extricate out of it now without extremely high costs that no politician will be brave enough to try.

    Though it is politically expedient to pin it on Bill Clinton, the real murderer of USA is a republican by name Bill Archer, Representative for Texas's 7th congressional district. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Reynolds_Archer_Jr.
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  40. Many Democrats believe Mrs. Clinton has an edge: Her party is energized around these issues and seems eager for a fight, while some Republicans sound fatigued about racism in law enforcement.

    Race and gender are often ignored, often belittled with ridiculous sound bites,” said Donna Brazile,…

    On what planet do these people dwell?

    Race and gender are all we ever hear about. And people are indeed “fatigued.” They are fatigued by black violence and the Ministry of Information-style spin the liberal media puts on it.

    It’s with this in mind that Hillary will undoubtedly be declared the “winner” by a wide margin.

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    Exactly - whether I am reading The Atlantic, HuffPo, or just the posts of my liberal friends on Facebook, it's race or gender 85% of the time, with the rest being gay or transgender.
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  41. Luke Lea says: • Website

    “First Clinton-Trump Debate Is Framed by Rifts Over Race and Gender”

    Oops. NYT meant that headline to run in the morning. Because if the debate is framed by rifts over the issues of Trade and Immigration Hillary loses.

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  42. For Hillary, it all began on September 5th with a 4-minute coughing jag and ended on September 11th with a complete collapse in the gutter of a city street : she was then thrown into a medical van with all the ceremony of a grocery store-clerk heaving a large sack of potatoes, and she losing her shoe in the process. You know she will be wearing a hairdo covering a small ear-piece, through which her aides will be feeding her scripted answers to the moderator’s questions. She may even get the questions in advance from upstairs at NBC. But 90 minutes, without a break, is a long slog in her rapidly worsening physical condition.

    The diabolical cocktail of Faustian medication, injected and swallowed, which she is forced to undergo on a daily basis, until Election Day arrives on Nov. 8th, may not be able to keep her standing vertical or sitting upright before the clock strikes 10:30PM. She certainly won’t turn into a pumpkin but will she zone out a little here and there or pass out totally or kiss the concrete and splatter, just like Newton’s Apple, after having been dropped from a great height?

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    9.8 m/s squared
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  43. Nico says:
    @ic1000
    > How about that 12 year old rape victim that Hillary brutalized, do women also approve of that?

    I didn't understand this reference, it's to Clinton's first case as an Arkansas legal aid lawyer in 1975 (Daily Mail). She defended a middle-aged white man who was accused of violently raping a 12 year old girl. Before trial, Clinton got the crucial physical evidence (semen on the girl's underpants) excluded, due to a crime lab mistake. To undermine the girl's credibility, Clinton forced her to submit to a grueling psychological exam. These hardball tactics worked, the rapist pled to a very reduced charge, "fondling of a minor."

    The Daily Mail and the victim hear Clinton "joking," "chuckling," and "laughing" about the case during a recently unearthed interview that was taped in the 1980s.

    Snopes updated their story "Hillary Clinton Freed Child Rapist" last month; they glide over awkward details and claim that the Daily Mail's account is "Mostly False".

    Clinton's actual defense would be that legal ethics required her to advocate forcefully for her client, notwithstanding his guilt. But of course she can't say that, it would be deplorable.

    I’m not a jurist or a legal professional but it would certainly seem to me that there is a case for zealous advocacy of one’s clients as a rule for a more just system overall, even if not every instance finishes “correctly.”

    Even so, there is something odd about laughing about such a case later on. One might expect a decent person would be sober and humble about such an undertaking, however necessary. But maybe it’s not unlike the different ways in which soldiers of war cope with the reality that they have taken lives.

    In any event, whatever the merits of Clinton’s conduct on the case in question, it will not help her candidacy if the general public receives acute reminders that she is a trial attorney, especially at this point.

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    Whenever Hillary is confronted about an evil deed she has done, she cackles. It is her nature. Apologies for the monkey brain triggering, but you can see it in responses a couple times in the following video. And the Quadaphi death quote.

    https://vimeo.com/183146920
    , @Pat Casey

    But maybe it’s not unlike the different ways in which soldiers of war cope with the reality that they have taken lives.
     
    That's a really good point. I've listened to the tape, and come to think I think you're right. She sounds less ghoulish than oblivious to how ghoulish she sounds. A guilty conscience can leave us unawares like that.
    , @AndrewR
    She was laughing over the worthlessness of polygraphs. Shame on you for making me defend her.
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  44. “Having the two of them debate race and gender issues would show more clearly than anything else that one candidate has a record and vision to bring people together, and one has offered the most divisive, bigoted and sexist comments and policies we’ve seen from a major party nominee.”

    This sentence makes absolutely no sense. How can a candidate “bring people together” when half of the electorate has been besmirched as “divisive, bigoted and sexist”?

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  45. countenance says: • Website

    OT slightly.

    A lot of people have been trying to make sense of Trump meeting Bill Clinton before he announced his campaign, and Bill remaining a member of Trump’s golf club even up to now. The obvious speculation among people who aren’t fond of Trump is that Bill prodded Trump into running because he thought Trump as nominee would be a cinch for his wife to beat.

    I think I’ve figured out what was going on with that.

    I predicted, on the day Trump ran, that his campaign would start a demolition derby within Republican Presidential politics, which would do three things: (1) Result in what were then considered top tier candidates seeing their campaigns end sooner than they or anyone would have predicted, if they didn’t think they would actually be the nominee, (2) Result in lower tier candidates seeing their campaigns last longer than they or anyone else would have predicted, and (3) Result in a nominee that would have been a total surprise as late as June 15, 2015, though I didn’t think the nominee would be Trump himself.

    My predictions turned out to be spot on, except for the eventual nominee.

    As an aside, this is why the few remaining Ted Cruz cultists are stupid to say that Cruz would have won the nomination if Trump never ran. That’s based on a simple horse race analysis, when the proper analysis here is chess board. The only reason Cruz was the place candidate was because Trump ran, Cruz was an example of number 2 in my above analysis. I think if Trump never ran, the establishment would have gotten its way with Jeb!.

    Now, let’s loop this back around to Bill Clinton. I think he figured what I did before I did it, and the reason he convinced Trump to run is because he assumed that Trump running would result in a Republican nominee not named Trump that would have been easier for his wife to beat than it would have been for her to beat Jeb!, at least in Bill’s mind. Though in all honesty, I think Hillary would have easily beaten Jeb!.

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    He wanted Trump to bring up the border/immigration issue the way he did so the Clintons could use it to drive a wedge into the GOP. Bill Clinton knew once they cried "racists" some of the establishment candidates would denounce Trump and claim they are not racists and they deplore racists, etc. I don't think Bill ever thought Trump would win the nomination. The Clinton campaign also underestimated the popularity of Trump's positions on immigration with the public.

    I also don't think Jeb ever could have been the nominee. People on the left who make a living in politics fear the Clintons, nobody on the right fears the Bushes, especially Jeb. If Trump had never run, I still don't think he would have been able to win primaries, very few rank and file voters wanted another Clinton/Bush election. Rubio was much more likely to win.
    , @Boomstick
    No way in Hell ¡Jeb! was a viable candidate. He was just sad and out of step with the zeitgeist, no matter how much money was thrown at him to squander.
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  46. @Steve Sailer

    I should like to know the correct pronunciation of Steve’s name. Is it just like “sailor” or does it rhyme with “Tyler”?
     
    Pretty much like sail-or, although I just say sail-er or say-ler. Now that I think about it, I should ask some relatives whether the syllable break should fall before or after the L.

    I've been told that people in the German speaking countries say Syl-er (or Sy-ler).

    “Auf Deutsch” it would be “zyler” I believe. The letter “s” followed by a vowel is pronounced like a “z” i.e. “Siegfried” is pronounced “Zeegfreed”.

    Quiz tomorrow.

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  47. I’m hoping for the best but expecting the worst from this debate.

    Reports that Trump isn’t doing traditional debate prep and reports that Lester Holt is going to take a more interventionist role are concerning. Also, you can’t rule out the potential of Clinton receiving favorable treatment in the form of leaked questions or an earpiece.

    Thankfully, the media has set expectations in such a way that is hugely advantageous to Trump. Plenty on the left have been insisting that Clinton will wipe the floor with Trump because Trump is just so dumb and inexperienced, and you also have people like Obama saying that she’s the most qualified candidate ever to run for President. Talk about setting expectations!

    Trump has an easy and obvious path to victory tonight: Stay calm and collected, don’t take the bait from the moderator or from Clinton, hit back at her on a couple easy-to-win issues (trade, national security), and just spend the time articulating his vision for the country. If he doesn’t play the part of the loudmouthed buffoon he has been made out to be and instead comes out as a happy warrior of sorts, Clinton won’t be able to handle that and will come off as nagging, desperate, and entitled, which will severely hurt her claim to experience.

    However, I’m not sure he will do that. Most of the time, he acts as a “counterpuncher” in a reliable fashion, which means that he can easily be baited and led around if he insists on punching back every time. You combine that with potential scripting and collusion between the Clinton camp and the moderator, and the potential there for ruin is high. Going on the attack could be extremely effective if the hits land, but it’s a really risky move with a huge opportunity to backfire. While part of me really wants to see him verbally annhilate her into convulsions, I’d rather not risk it failing. His best debate was the last one in the primary where he let the punches go past him and didn’t take the bait being laid out by everyone, which made him look Presidential and above the pettiness of the other contestants.

    Just showing up, being calm and competent, and just playing it straight will do a lot to swing undecided voters and to keep momentum moving in his direction.

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  49. AndyBoy says:

    Everyone in the media thinks Trump will win. WE need to make sure this is the first step in dismantling Political Correctness and getting real free speech again.

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    This is yet another type of media bias: raising expectations for "showman" Trump while lowering them for "calm and competent yet not flashy" Clinton, so they can declare Hillary the winner no matter what.
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  50. On the news, not just NPR but the not-very-Trump-friendly Fox News as well, I keep hearing that both these candidates are deeply unpopular, with roughly equal disapproval ratings. That misses an important point, which is obvious in the size and energy of their rallies. A lot of people hate Trump, but a lot of us enthusiastically support him as well, more than we have any Republican candidate in our lifetime. (I was lukewarm about Reagan.) On the other hand, most of the people who plan to vote for Hillary aren’t particularly enthusiastic about her, they just hate Trump. Hillary is just more of the same, only worse and with a vagina.

    BTW, I was struck by the claim that whites “say they are tired of debating racism.” When do we ever get to debate racism, except anonymously on the internet? All we ever get to do is listen to lectures about our racism from people who hate us.

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    Good point about the tag "unpopular," Harry. But I sense a change in the last few weeks, along these lines:

    People with negative opinions about Trump have felt perfectly free to express those opinions openly, for more than a year now. But it's only recently that it's been permissible to hate on Clinton.

    Some combination of the stroke video, the unforced error of the Deplorables episode, and the realization that she's no longer a sure thing has opened the door--especially on the left--to more open expressions of tooth-grinding resentment over her candidacy. That's what I'm sensing among liberal acquaintances, at any rate.

    In terms of the debate, this should be a liability for her. Clinton's credibility has always depended on her being a kind of sacred figure (in the mainstream culture, of course). While I'm confident that the worthless "experts" will still call the debate in her favor, the phoniness of all their excuse-making for Clinton may have become too much even for the average liberal.

    Most of all, hating on the "unpopular" Trump is old news, while hating on the once-sacred Clinton has the frisson of transgression liberals love so much. If she does poorly tonight, we might see the rhetorical knives come unsheathed among the liberal commentariat.
    , @ic1000
    > All we ever get to do is listen to lectures about our racism from people who hate us.

    You misunderstand. That's the start of the tough conversation that keeps getting urged on us by President Obama, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, Hillary Clinton, CBS news, NPR's CodeSwitch team, the NYT, Yale University, and Black Lives Matter. Among others.

    If you'd talk less and listen more, perhaps the healing of our nation could begin. Here's a picture to help you get into the spirit of reconciliation.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Amen. All of your comment was spot on.
    , @Lagertha
    Team Hillary is determined to make the debate all about race and gender...because they've got nothing.

    Trump needs to walk into the debate confidently, and diplomatically, and drag everybody into the hot, bloody, rapey landscapes of the Middle East as much as possible. Clinton's numerous failures in Libya, Syria/Iraq is the battlefield, and she can't ignore the utter destruction of civilization in the M.E., it is her record. Her glib (and very sociopathic) comment over the death of Qhadaffi, was grotesque. The colossal mistakes of this administration of arming the wrong rebels, sending weapons to god knows who, drawing "Red Lines," and then screwing them up is just a 'hole lotta sand in peoples mouths and eyes, still. And, when she said to Matt Lauer that she will take the time to "learn from mistakes," (admitting: Iraq War epic-fail) the 5000+ soldier deaths, and 120,000 maimed/TBI/burned soldiers, must be beaten into her brain with a cudgel of words, relentlessly. I mean, I was horrified how the Vietnam vets came to realize they were in a bullsh*t war that everyone thought was a waste.

    She can not be allowed to pivot from the Middle East; that's the tarbaby that she owns. And, she knows the American people are sick of the Middle East....so she will claw her way back to talking about race or gender. Of course, the targeted killing of cops is an inconvenient detail in her push to make the people "who cling to their guns and religion" appear like bigots and that Trump is their Hitler. Sh*t if anyone even brings up Hitler tonight, take a shot of vodka, or Fireball!

    Bringing up gender, specifically women, is just moronic. If she goes there, she must answer to the slavery of women by ISIS creeps/Boko Haram etc.; women being beat-up in Turkey for wearing shorts; Trump supporters being pelted with eggs, bottles, being hit; white women being attacked in NC last night, gays being thrown off of roofs in the Middle East cities, etc., etc., etc. Muslim women do not have agency in the Middle East - yet she can't find the words to refute this. I doubt any Muslim countries will respect her anyway....even Erdogan's wife said women belong in the kitchen, I suppose baking those infamous cookies that she mocked decades ago!

    This election is about war, endless war, the massive migrant crisis and USA's own major Immigration ( including the LEP - Limited English Proficiency/ "unaccompanied minors" that are killing the educational budgets in states like NC) problem. How did those children's parents get word from their governments and ours, anyway, to stick them on that train to the Mexican border! This needs to come up because of the catastrophic budget crises in public schools in many states being forced to deal with these, often, illiterate, traumatized children. Just look up the southern schools especially, who are dealing with this. What about helping those nice lady teachers? The taxpayers who must pay for thousands of children not their own?

    The breakdown of EU & USA with citizens of all Western countries being completely, and indefinitely polarized is the major thing. Brexit happened. There is hate in the air, and no one believes in Stronger Together. That sounds like a banner at a youth church convention, anyway. This is no longer a PC world. PC killed 5000+ soldiers. And, unlucky for Democrats, most of those soldiers come from the land between the elitist coasts....the people with families who have been relentlessly mocked (by the MSM) for a full year, now. It's a funny thing, but condescending to people or calling them bigots, without any proof, doesn't make them like you.

    If she tries to make the debate about race and gender in this country, than she has no right to be the president. The world politics/war politics, and breakdown in society in failed states, and the failure of nations to look after their own citizens first, is now on the mind of all citizens who worry that 15 years after 9/11, we continue to have Jihadi terrorist assaults on innocent citizens, world-wide, while Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, etc., are in ruins. The economic health of all countries is very ominous...there is 1% or less growth, and Fed doesn't have the guts to raise the interest rates because they know exactly what would happen if done before this election.

    People are worried about the future of their children. Therefore, to polarize people further with racial issues, BLM, turning your back on the American flag, or whether there are enough women coders, CEO's is not as important as continual attacks by Jihadis or nuclear war with Russia. Trump needs to drag the debate back to the Middle East and immigration constantly. She was epic-fail there, and it should haunt her. Her low-affect stance on the important stuff is really scary. Wouldn't it be cool if Anonymous hacked into any earpiece that she may have? It would be SOOO "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo."

    But, team Clinton will try to remove the Scooby-Doo mask of Trump tonight, and all days, by trying to expose him as a bigot and sexist. Ergo, since Clinton has failed in the Middle East, she is going to try to makes this debate all about domestic issues...which, in the long run are connected to our foreign policy nightmare. I want to hear about ending the chaos of the Middle East; ending war, getting the heck out of that part of the world, no war with Putin, exclusively. Nothing else matters. Truly, if we do not have a country, have candidates that are so blinded by the useless idea of Globalism, the steady march towards cultural Marxism together with PC mandates evolving into an authoritarian govt with "Progressive" elites in power, we are doomed. Make America Great Again.
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  51. Arclight says:

    Overall I still feel that for Trump to have an actual shot at winning he a) needs to be leading by at least a couple of points going into October and b) a halfway respectable GOTV operation in the most important swing states. Right now we doesn’t have either, so I would guess he narrowly loses the popular vote but has a fairly large Electoral College loss.

    Hilary is a competent debater and the debate moderators are going to select questions that play to her strengths – detailed foreign and domestic policy questions. She does best in a studio setting when it’s just her versus someone else with a questioner rather than the audience format, where she tries – and generally fails – to establish her humanity with the audience. That’s the only real handicap tonight, I think. Regardless, the media will portray Clinton as the clear winner.

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    Please show me one example of Hillary debating.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Yeah, I agree with other commenter. Show the link of the last time Hillary debated. What was that, about ten yrs ago when she was in better health?

    Also, the medium of television is not very kind to Hillary. It's not what is said, its the way it looks and how its said. Let's say you're right, and Hillary is mopping the floor with the Donald on the details of policy. And then all of a sudden....she falls down. Or she coughs for about thirty seconds. How does that look on live television in front of 100 million people? Looks like an old decrepit woman in poor failing health. Why would undecideds vote for someone who might not last the first year of her first term? Also, Hillary isn't the best at ad libbing or wandering off the script by making off the cuff remarks the way Trump is a master. She could easily get distracted and wander off and look foolish.

    Remember: Trump had to dispose of 16 other GOP candidates in numerous live televised debates, where he was the oldest candidate on the stage. This can't be repeated enough: He fairly easily disposed of "lower engergy" Rubio and Cruz, who are young enough to be his kids. If they couldn't keep up with him, certainly he can handle someone like Hillary, who had fewer debates and could barely keep up with 75 yr old Sanders.
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  52. Barnard says:
    @ic1000

    Celinda Lake, a Democratic pollster, said Mrs. Clinton’s focus on “bringing people together” would resonate with female voters, many of whom are troubled by the recent police shootings.
     
    Is Democratic pollster Celinda Lake the one who is claiming that many female Clinton supporters are troubled by recent police shootings, or is that the voice of NYT reporters Healy and Burns?

    I assume that collegiate debaters have a term for phrasings in this style, where the punch line is what's left unsaid:

    "Many Clinton supporters are troubled by the recent police shootings [in contrast to Trump voters' approval of racist gunslinging].

    This sounds like spin. A voter who think destructive rioting is a justified response to a police shooting that may or may not be justified, is already a committed Hillary voter. Women who are undecided or low info are going to be more concerned about the violence.

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    Also, add in the fact that many (white) women may have cops as boyfriends, husbands, significant others, relatives, etc. and that they might not like it that their loved ones were gunned down by thugs. Seeing one candidate clearly endorsing the thugs while the other candidate runs on law and order, which side would these undecideds take and ultimately vote for?
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  54. @Intelligent Dasein
    If anybody is planning to listen to the radio, the 50,000 watt "Voice of the West," KOA News Radio (850 AM, 94.1 FM, and available for streaming via iHeartRadio from any device in the world) will be hosting a debate party and I will be live and in the studio as one of their post-debate panelists, doing my best to defend Donald Trump and the Alt-Right.

    I don't really know what the format will be, and in any case this is my radio debut, so please wish me luck. I make no promises about getting a plug in, but if I do, I should like to know the correct pronunciation of Steve's name. Is it just like "sailor" or does it rhyme with "Tyler"?

    Hopefully there will be a link to a podcast I can post later.

    It would be nice if some of the Alt-Right personalities could avoid, in public appearances, mentioning Nazis, Jews, “race realism” and all the other crap that undermined paleoconservatism/nationalist populism last time around. Emphasizing topics like fair trade, selective immigration, and non-interventionism is much more convincing than waving around racial IQ tables. “Alt-Right” is a terrible descriptor in the first place, so sounding like a skinhead talking-point machine doesn’t do much to persuade people.

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    Well, as Vox Day points out, more than 80% of people are simply not reachable dialectic anyway, so things like fair trade, selective immigration, non-intervention and racial IQ tables are all useless for persuading them.

    With such people you are better off appealing to rhetorical things like comparing the 'others' to chimpanzees, or using phrases like murderous Muslims or calling them goat-f*ckers or whatever.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    Don't worry, I'm not going to talk about any of that. It really isn't my cup of tea, anyway.

    I have no intention of "preparing" for this by trying to hit a bunch of bullet points. My only concern is to present a "hermeneutic of Trump" that does not buy into the narrative that he is an irascible, egotistical bully, so that normal people will feel comfortable voting for him. I think very few people have stepped out of Plato's cave regarding Trump's candidacy and that includes most of his supporters.

    I just want to be an apostle of Trump.
    , @Gabriel M
    But, umm, "race realism" is true, whereas "fair trade" is at best meaningless gas and, at worst, a cover word for the most economically illiterate policy of all time: protectionist tariffs.

    And there's the problem in a nutshell: herding cats.
    , @Jack D
    Too late. The WashPo has PROVEN, with CHARTS that alt-right is another word for Nazi.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/09/26/these-charts-show-exactly-how-racist-and-radical-the-alt-right-has-gotten-this-year/

    "These charts show exactly how racist and radical the alt-right has gotten this year" - I love that clickbait style headlines have now made it to the WashPo. Their statistical methodology is also hilarious. In "mainstream" language the word "Jewish" is most often associate with words like "frum" (meaning religious or Orthodox in Yiddish - I didn't know that this word had made it into general usage at all - do most Americans even know what this means?) but in alt-right forums, the word Jewish is most associated with words like "liberal". Can you imagine what kind of deplorable Nazi skinhead would accuse American Jews of being liberal?

    , @Langley
    Race and the cultural constructs that spring from it are the basis for "topics like fair trade, selective immigration, and non-interventionism..."


    BTW - are you David P. Goldman?
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  55. hhsiii says:

    It’s pretty much back to being a tie. 538 this morning has it 51.5% Hillary, 48.5% Trump, with electoral votes at 272 to 265.7 (Johnson .3).

    Pass the popcorn.

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    538/Nate Silver update via Daily Caller at 10:35 AM 09/26/2016 says Trump would win election held today

    Statistics site 538, which is operated by Nate Silver, adjusted its projections ahead of the debate Monday, giving the odds to Republican nominee Donald Trump.

    If the election were held today, Trump leads with a 54.9 percent chance of winning the election, according to the site. The win projection stems from Trump winning the key battleground states of Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, and Nevada. The same projection shows Clinton winning Pennsylvania, Colorado, and Virginia.

    The last time that Trump won the “now-cast” was July 29, after the Republican National Convention, and before Clinton’s “convention bump” that lasted through all of August and most of September. Clinton had a 92 percent chance of winning in the first week of August, and has been in a steady decline ever since.
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/26/silver-trump-would-win-if-election-were-held-today/

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  56. jill says:
    @eah
    I let the NYT do my thinking (sic) for me:

    Why Donald Trump Should Not Be President

    Donald Trump is a man who dwells in bigotry, bluster and false promises.

    Case closed.

    Yes, NYT, we need more sanity in the White House

    “We Came, We Saw, He Died”

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    The first ten seconds of that YouTube video is should be devastating to Clinton. Perhaps if more voters understood the context.

    Longstanding Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi sponsored anti-American terrorism. But in the wake of 9/11 and the Iraq War, he reconciled with the West -- renouncing terrorism, paying billions in indemnities, decommissioning weapons programs, and opposing al-Qaeda.

    Gaddafi's reward for changing sides was to have the US and Britain support the Islamist rebels who challenged him. After his capture, rebels tortured, raped, and summarily executed Gaddaffi.

    These are the events that so tickled Secretary of State Clinton in the video ("We came, we saw, he died").

    Libyans must find the subsequent collapse of their country into a Failed State to be a real side-splitter. Shootouts between al-Qaeda and Islamic State militias surely add to the revelry.

    Heck of a job, Hillary!
    , @Thea
    Thanks for posting this. That cruel cackle really exposes her soul.
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  57. jill says:
    @Arclight
    Overall I still feel that for Trump to have an actual shot at winning he a) needs to be leading by at least a couple of points going into October and b) a halfway respectable GOTV operation in the most important swing states. Right now we doesn't have either, so I would guess he narrowly loses the popular vote but has a fairly large Electoral College loss.

    Hilary is a competent debater and the debate moderators are going to select questions that play to her strengths - detailed foreign and domestic policy questions. She does best in a studio setting when it's just her versus someone else with a questioner rather than the audience format, where she tries - and generally fails - to establish her humanity with the audience. That's the only real handicap tonight, I think. Regardless, the media will portray Clinton as the clear winner.

    Please show me one example of Hillary debating.

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  58. @Steve Sailer

    I should like to know the correct pronunciation of Steve’s name. Is it just like “sailor” or does it rhyme with “Tyler”?
     
    Pretty much like sail-or, although I just say sail-er or say-ler. Now that I think about it, I should ask some relatives whether the syllable break should fall before or after the L.

    I've been told that people in the German speaking countries say Syl-er (or maybe Sy-ler). Here's a magazine article saying the most famous Sailer, Austrian ski champion Toni Sailer, is pronounced Sy-lor:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=stYBeisv0aMC&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=pronounce+toni+sailer&source=bl&ots=aoURhYT0UU&sig=f-Et7TDL1xTFKHu2jJPIRQTtRyw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiko4LE2azPAhUk04MKHcuEDUQQ6AEIMDAD#v=onepage&q=pronounce%20toni%20sailer&f=false

    Have you had a 23andMe test? Your ancestry report would probably be a source of friendly interest.

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  60. I think the fix is in.

    Nobody in that audience including the moderator will be pro-Trump, most will be hostile.

    And most of these people are already convinced that it is a moral imperative to defeat him by any means necessary. Just read the establishment papers and pronouncements for the last year.

    Softball questions for Hillary Clinton, hardball questions for Donald Trump, running out the clock, audio earpiece prompts—every dirty trick in the book will quite possibly be used. Hillary has a long history of judging what she can get away with, and is known to break the implicit (or explicit) rules in any situation if it is to her advantage, i.e. she is unethical. In this situation, she will calculate that she can get away with any outrage-and she may well be right.

    It will be ugly.

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    On the other hand, fivethirtyeight estimates that if the election were to be held today, Donald Trump would win in 54.5% of their scenarios and Hillary Clinton in 45.5% of them. They are tied in the forecast for November.

    Which all means that, on balance, there is slight net upside potential for Hillary in the month to come, and slight net downside for Trump, based on their model.

    , @Thea
    The depths of murderous evil if both the Bush & Clinton clans defies belief.

    Destroying civil society around the world and in various cultures for personal profit is so much worse than the email shenanigans. She should be on the most wanted list of a least a dozen nations.
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  61. iSteveFan says:

    threatening to provide a front-row seat at the debate to Ms. Flowers as retaliation to remarks by Mark Cuban, …

    Here is a better retaliatory strategy for the Mark Cuban row. During the debate Trump should bring up the pay-for-play scandal involving Hillary’s emails and such. And then he can point to Mark Cuban in the front row and offer that as proof positive that if you pay Hillary enough you get access.

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  62. anon says: • Disclaimer

    The Charlotte thing troubled a lot of people. If her female supports are troubled, then so what?

    But, Jesus. The wife was LYING. At first it was all about whether he had a gun. Well, we know now he had one. So did wife. If the guy is too retarded that he can’t drop a weapon, then it isn’t racism. So then it changes to something else. Like the cops need to be more careful, etc. The thing is, how the fuck were they supposed to know he was brain damaged. The average person drops the fucking gun. And since wife yelled out, ‘he doesn’t have a gun’ … then why would the cops believe anything she says. Anyway, its obvious that this was a contrived story to incite stupid local blacks. And then, the bitch is lawyered up for the jackpot before the body is cold.

    From the Times:

    Mr. Scott effectively forfeited his right to carry a gun in 2005, when he was convicted in the shooting of a man in San Antonio and sentenced to prison.

    The guy had an extensive criminal records, not just this one gun bust. There were more.
    in the 1990s, he was charged with a number of offenses including check fraud, aggravated assault and carrying a concealed weapon. Later, he moved to Texas where he shot and wounded a man in San Antonio in 2002, for which he was convicted and sentenced, in 2005, to seven years in prison. He was released in 2011.

    This is alleged:

    The most shocking find in Scott’s record, however, is what occurred in Bexar County, Texas in 2005. In March of that year, Scott was sentenced to 15 months in state prison for evading arrest, and in July, he was consecutively sentenced to seven years on a conviction of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

    Sources are now coming forward and alleging that those two separate convictions are in fact related, and they both have to do with a confrontation between Scott and Bexar County Police in early 2005.

    One source, who asked CTN to refrain from using her name to protect her identity, told reporters that Scott fired a handgun at San Antonio police officers when they attempted to detain him in February 2005 after noticing that he was driving erratically.

    The black cop wasn’t looking at a book and yelling ‘drop the guy’ four times. Scott is the guy with brain damage.

    Meanwhile, can anyone really identify with Scott? I can identify with staying at a downtown hotel. Or the disgust with seeing a protest for justice rioting and looting. Weren’t they paying attention during MLK day through Black History Month and realize that the theatre of victimhood requires the cops to resort to perceived violence, not protestors turned to rioters.

    The point being that this is not a great issue for Hillary. The cops have the gun. It his his fingerprints and DNA on it. It’s possible there is even more evidence of ownership. As well as the possibility that there will be evidence the Wife knew all along.

    The more she ties herself to black lives matter …. the worse for her.

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  63. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    It would be nice if some of the Alt-Right personalities could avoid, in public appearances, mentioning Nazis, Jews, "race realism" and all the other crap that undermined paleoconservatism/nationalist populism last time around. Emphasizing topics like fair trade, selective immigration, and non-interventionism is much more convincing than waving around racial IQ tables. "Alt-Right" is a terrible descriptor in the first place, so sounding like a skinhead talking-point machine doesn't do much to persuade people.

    Well, as Vox Day points out, more than 80% of people are simply not reachable dialectic anyway, so things like fair trade, selective immigration, non-intervention and racial IQ tables are all useless for persuading them.

    With such people you are better off appealing to rhetorical things like comparing the ‘others’ to chimpanzees, or using phrases like murderous Muslims or calling them goat-f*ckers or whatever.

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  64. Dropping acid for the first time in anticipation of the debate. I’m hoping Trump will transfigure before my eyes into an exarch.

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    How much?
    , @27 year old
    What a waste of perfectly good LSD
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  65. @eggheadshadhisnumber
    It would be nice if some of the Alt-Right personalities could avoid, in public appearances, mentioning Nazis, Jews, "race realism" and all the other crap that undermined paleoconservatism/nationalist populism last time around. Emphasizing topics like fair trade, selective immigration, and non-interventionism is much more convincing than waving around racial IQ tables. "Alt-Right" is a terrible descriptor in the first place, so sounding like a skinhead talking-point machine doesn't do much to persuade people.

    Don’t worry, I’m not going to talk about any of that. It really isn’t my cup of tea, anyway.

    I have no intention of “preparing” for this by trying to hit a bunch of bullet points. My only concern is to present a “hermeneutic of Trump” that does not buy into the narrative that he is an irascible, egotistical bully, so that normal people will feel comfortable voting for him. I think very few people have stepped out of Plato’s cave regarding Trump’s candidacy and that includes most of his supporters.

    I just want to be an apostle of Trump.

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  66. @TangoMan
    But he risked alienating some women voters over the weekend by threatening to provide a front-row seat at the debate to Ms. Flowers as retaliation to remarks by Mark Cuban, the billionaire who has been a vocal Trump critic.

    What's the connect the dots logic on this one? Is it that women would be offended because Trump makes Clinton feel awkward having to face one of her husband's mistresses and women can relate to this? Does that mean women approve of Hillary's being an enforcer against these women? How about that 12 year old rape victim that Hillary brutalized, do women also approve of that? Or does the writer mean that Hillary's fans would be upset with Trump because he made the event more awkward for Hillary? If the "some women" is simply code for "Hillary supporters" then what does Trump have to lose?

    Some people are concerned about this being a gutter-type tactic, but I'm interested in seeing how Hillary responds to provocation while under the spotlight.

    Picking Ms Flowers is a low blow, precisely because, as you note there are tons of women out there whom Hillary has mistreated. But instead of picking one of the women who reminds us of something bad Hillary herself has done, Trump picks the one whom Bill had the long term affair with. IIRC, Hillary never did anything to Flowers; if Flowers hates Hillary it’s just the standard “Why wouldn’t he leave her for me?” rivalry.

    I’m guessing Trump is right that the way to get under Hillary’s skin is with a true rival for her husband’s love rather than with one of his flings or attempted flings. But this is a low blow, because he’s attacking with the person who victimized Hillary, rather than the people whom Hillary victimized.

    And then you think, “How does Trump understand this side of female psychology so well? Hmmm, maybe from observing Ivana back when Trump was the cheating louse.”

    This is not something that would decide my vote for president. But it certainly does not make Trump look good.

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  67. Michelle says:
    @eah
    OT

    https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/780390583865118720

    Somebody doesn’t understand the definition of “thin”! That is the fattest “Thin blue line” ever. But then, I really wouldn’t complain, I like a little cake with my icing.

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  68. @PiltdownMan
    I think the fix is in.

    Nobody in that audience including the moderator will be pro-Trump, most will be hostile.

    And most of these people are already convinced that it is a moral imperative to defeat him by any means necessary. Just read the establishment papers and pronouncements for the last year.

    Softball questions for Hillary Clinton, hardball questions for Donald Trump, running out the clock, audio earpiece prompts—every dirty trick in the book will quite possibly be used. Hillary has a long history of judging what she can get away with, and is known to break the implicit (or explicit) rules in any situation if it is to her advantage, i.e. she is unethical. In this situation, she will calculate that she can get away with any outrage-and she may well be right.

    It will be ugly.

    On the other hand, fivethirtyeight estimates that if the election were to be held today, Donald Trump would win in 54.5% of their scenarios and Hillary Clinton in 45.5% of them. They are tied in the forecast for November.

    Which all means that, on balance, there is slight net upside potential for Hillary in the month to come, and slight net downside for Trump, based on their model.

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    Mathematically their model says nothing about which way the probabilities will change. Without other information, Trump is just as likely to increase his 54.5% as Hillary is to increase her 45.5%. Their current numbers contain no information that predicts how they will change in the future, unless you accept momentum as a factor, in which case Trump would be more likely to increase his share.
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  69. Marc says:

    Mark Cuban is behaving like a yapping little dog nipping at Trump’s heel instead of a fellow billionaire. Every time he opens his mouth in regards to this election his stature is diminished.

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    80% of the country has no idea who Mark Cuban is, and of the 20% who do, most of them think he's a jerk.
    , @Seneca
    I recall listening to an interview many years ago with Mark Cuban when Mr. Cuban may have inadvertently revealed the underlying reason of why hel does not like Mr.Trump.

    According to Mr. Cuban, when he was very young and before Mr. Cuban became rich he went to Mr. Trump seeking an investor for a business idea he had. Mr. Trump turned him down. My impression at the time listening to him speak was that Mr Cuban did not like the way he was treated by Mr. Trump. I guess he felt that in some way he was dissed by Mr. Trump. I could tell it still rankled him.

    I don't recall if the idea was eventually successful.

    While Mr. Cuban did ultimately became a billionaire, he apparently cannot forget what he perceived as a slight from Mr. Trump when Mr. Cuban was still trying to become a success.

    Other billionaires that Mr. Trump has had business dealings openly support Mr. Trump. That Mr. Cuban is so petty as to hold a grudge over a trivial thing (most people seeking money for a new idea get turned down a lot I am guessing) does not speak well of him.

    Unfortunately, I could not find any verification of this early incident between the two on the web. I am pretty sure my memory is correct regarding the general details of the incident and interview.

    The reason my memory of the interview is so vivid is that I thought it a strange coincidence that one billionaire (Trump) would meet a future billionaire when the other was just starting out (Cuban) . What are the chances of that? I know, billionaires invest in many businesses and meet all sorts of potentially successful people. But I still thought the coincidence was unusual.
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  70. AnonAnon says:

    I’m kind of hoping for one of the train-wreck Hillarys to show up – left eye wandering around on its own Hillary; bug-eyed, yelling-too-loud “why am I not 50 points ahead” harridan Hillary; low energy, clueless-grandma Between-Two-Ferns Hillary, all culminating in a debate-ending 9-11 collapse. I’m getting my popcorn ready.

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    Heck yeah! Imagine all of the evil she has perpetuated throughout her life coming back onto her tonight. I could imagine actual horns sprouting from her skull this evening.
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  71. Whiskey says: • Website
    @TangoMan
    But he risked alienating some women voters over the weekend by threatening to provide a front-row seat at the debate to Ms. Flowers as retaliation to remarks by Mark Cuban, the billionaire who has been a vocal Trump critic.

    What's the connect the dots logic on this one? Is it that women would be offended because Trump makes Clinton feel awkward having to face one of her husband's mistresses and women can relate to this? Does that mean women approve of Hillary's being an enforcer against these women? How about that 12 year old rape victim that Hillary brutalized, do women also approve of that? Or does the writer mean that Hillary's fans would be upset with Trump because he made the event more awkward for Hillary? If the "some women" is simply code for "Hillary supporters" then what does Trump have to lose?

    Some people are concerned about this being a gutter-type tactic, but I'm interested in seeing how Hillary responds to provocation while under the spotlight.

    It isn’t all women but Upper Class White women. They seethe with resentment; mostly that they are not running everything, and people are not bowing down to them like Mean Girls in High School. Which is their model for social interaction and politics.

    Yes, highlighting Bill’s Bimbo Erruptions and Hillary’s role as enforcer would and does alienate Upper Class White women who long for feminized aristocratic rule.

    However Upper Class White women by dominating the media, media consumption/consumer advertising (most ads are aimed at them as taste-shapers of White women), and being the shock troops of corporate PC in upper leadership roles are punching far above their demographic weight. Particularly since late marriage and few kids leaves far too much free time for their resentments to be given full blown airing.

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  72. Michelle says:

    The left, wants to keep the status quo and are willing to do it by any means necessary. They have the power, no matter that they lie and claim to be victims of oppression. That is why they are lynching white people in the streets. Just think of the massive stink should Trump supporters beat and strip some Black man. Yet It happens every day to whites at the hands of Blacks. Think of the places in cities across the country where white people literally are not allowed to go under penalty of death. And death would be welcome after the rape and torture they would experience beforehand.

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  73. Arclight says:
    @Patrick in SC

    Many Democrats believe Mrs. Clinton has an edge: Her party is energized around these issues and seems eager for a fight, while some Republicans sound fatigued about racism in law enforcement.

    Race and gender are often ignored, often belittled with ridiculous sound bites,” said Donna Brazile,...
     

    On what planet do these people dwell?

    Race and gender are all we ever hear about. And people are indeed "fatigued." They are fatigued by black violence and the Ministry of Information-style spin the liberal media puts on it.

    It's with this in mind that Hillary will undoubtedly be declared the "winner" by a wide margin.

    Exactly – whether I am reading The Atlantic, HuffPo, or just the posts of my liberal friends on Facebook, it’s race or gender 85% of the time, with the rest being gay or transgender.

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  74. Barnard says:
    @countenance
    OT slightly.

    A lot of people have been trying to make sense of Trump meeting Bill Clinton before he announced his campaign, and Bill remaining a member of Trump's golf club even up to now. The obvious speculation among people who aren't fond of Trump is that Bill prodded Trump into running because he thought Trump as nominee would be a cinch for his wife to beat.

    I think I've figured out what was going on with that.

    I predicted, on the day Trump ran, that his campaign would start a demolition derby within Republican Presidential politics, which would do three things: (1) Result in what were then considered top tier candidates seeing their campaigns end sooner than they or anyone would have predicted, if they didn't think they would actually be the nominee, (2) Result in lower tier candidates seeing their campaigns last longer than they or anyone else would have predicted, and (3) Result in a nominee that would have been a total surprise as late as June 15, 2015, though I didn't think the nominee would be Trump himself.

    My predictions turned out to be spot on, except for the eventual nominee.

    As an aside, this is why the few remaining Ted Cruz cultists are stupid to say that Cruz would have won the nomination if Trump never ran. That's based on a simple horse race analysis, when the proper analysis here is chess board. The only reason Cruz was the place candidate was because Trump ran, Cruz was an example of number 2 in my above analysis. I think if Trump never ran, the establishment would have gotten its way with Jeb!.

    Now, let's loop this back around to Bill Clinton. I think he figured what I did before I did it, and the reason he convinced Trump to run is because he assumed that Trump running would result in a Republican nominee not named Trump that would have been easier for his wife to beat than it would have been for her to beat Jeb!, at least in Bill's mind. Though in all honesty, I think Hillary would have easily beaten Jeb!.

    He wanted Trump to bring up the border/immigration issue the way he did so the Clintons could use it to drive a wedge into the GOP. Bill Clinton knew once they cried “racists” some of the establishment candidates would denounce Trump and claim they are not racists and they deplore racists, etc. I don’t think Bill ever thought Trump would win the nomination. The Clinton campaign also underestimated the popularity of Trump’s positions on immigration with the public.

    I also don’t think Jeb ever could have been the nominee. People on the left who make a living in politics fear the Clintons, nobody on the right fears the Bushes, especially Jeb. If Trump had never run, I still don’t think he would have been able to win primaries, very few rank and file voters wanted another Clinton/Bush election. Rubio was much more likely to win.

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  75. @Elmer T. Jones
    Can't wait for Salon's inimitable Tuesday morning analysis of the debate WWE-style smackdown. Who's the heel, Donald or Hillary?

    https://employmentgame.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/trumpbrotv.jpg

    What the hell is a house bro?

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    I am glad you asked. House-bros are a "thing" : modern men who stay at home while their women work. Men have fooled women into thinking work was fun and this is the result. Now feminists are complaining.

    https://employmentgame.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/housebro.jpg

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  76. Tiny Duck says:

    Ms. Clinton will sew up the presidency tonight. Once Trump is embarrassed on national tv, we should expect a landslide.

    Clinton will dominate.

    Clinton supporters=Blacks, Muslims, Asians, Jews, homosexuals, women

    Trump supporters=white men

    One side is the future. One side is for racists.

    You guys are going down.

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    No "racism" in the future? If the Chinese dominate the world in this century, they won't be racists? You long for a world in which whites are powerless and think that world won't be racist? You have a rich imagination.
    , @Mark Eugenikos
    I know I shouldn't be responding to a troll, but I just can't help it.

    Practically none of my liberal friends/acquaintances are going to vote for Hillary. They were all Bernie people, and they see Bernie's and Hillary's positions so far apart that they simply can't bridge that gap. My take on this that they are going to either stay home or vote libertarian (Gary Johnson).

    Here in Seattle you still see zero Hillary bumper stickers (except a few "Hillary for prison 2016"). Most bumper stickers are still Bernie. There are even more Trump stickers than Hillary stickers (well, more than zero isn't exactly difficult to reach).
    , @iSteveFan
    I don't understand your objection to racists. Racists have been part of our nation since before its founding. They were there to carve it out of the wilderness. They were there to declare independence. They were there to fight the Revolution. They were there to craft our Constitution. And they have been there since, fighting in all our wars and making advances in our economy. We're today standing on their shoulders.
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  77. ic1000 says:
    @jill
    Yes, NYT, we need more sanity in the White House

    "We Came, We Saw, He Died"

    https://youtu.be/FmIRYvJQeHM

    The first ten seconds of that YouTube video is should be devastating to Clinton. Perhaps if more voters understood the context.

    Longstanding Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi sponsored anti-American terrorism. But in the wake of 9/11 and the Iraq War, he reconciled with the West — renouncing terrorism, paying billions in indemnities, decommissioning weapons programs, and opposing al-Qaeda.

    Gaddafi’s reward for changing sides was to have the US and Britain support the Islamist rebels who challenged him. After his capture, rebels tortured, raped, and summarily executed Gaddaffi.

    These are the events that so tickled Secretary of State Clinton in the video (“We came, we saw, he died”).

    Libyans must find the subsequent collapse of their country into a Failed State to be a real side-splitter. Shootouts between al-Qaeda and Islamic State militias surely add to the revelry.

    Heck of a job, Hillary!

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    The worst eventuality for this debate is Trump getting dragged into the culture war weeds by Hillary and then tossing out stupid "zingers" instead of working the stump on trade, immigration, foreign policy, terrorism, etc. Expecting him to read Borjas or Chang would be absurd at this point; the most we can hope for is that Trump's tuning into Michael Savage every once in a while.
    , @SteveRogers42
    In a sane and healthy nation, this alone should have prevented her from even getting the nomination.
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  78. ChrisZ says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    On the news, not just NPR but the not-very-Trump-friendly Fox News as well, I keep hearing that both these candidates are deeply unpopular, with roughly equal disapproval ratings. That misses an important point, which is obvious in the size and energy of their rallies. A lot of people hate Trump, but a lot of us enthusiastically support him as well, more than we have any Republican candidate in our lifetime. (I was lukewarm about Reagan.) On the other hand, most of the people who plan to vote for Hillary aren't particularly enthusiastic about her, they just hate Trump. Hillary is just more of the same, only worse and with a vagina.

    BTW, I was struck by the claim that whites "say they are tired of debating racism." When do we ever get to debate racism, except anonymously on the internet? All we ever get to do is listen to lectures about our racism from people who hate us.

    Good point about the tag “unpopular,” Harry. But I sense a change in the last few weeks, along these lines:

    People with negative opinions about Trump have felt perfectly free to express those opinions openly, for more than a year now. But it’s only recently that it’s been permissible to hate on Clinton.

    Some combination of the stroke video, the unforced error of the Deplorables episode, and the realization that she’s no longer a sure thing has opened the door–especially on the left–to more open expressions of tooth-grinding resentment over her candidacy. That’s what I’m sensing among liberal acquaintances, at any rate.

    In terms of the debate, this should be a liability for her. Clinton’s credibility has always depended on her being a kind of sacred figure (in the mainstream culture, of course). While I’m confident that the worthless “experts” will still call the debate in her favor, the phoniness of all their excuse-making for Clinton may have become too much even for the average liberal.

    Most of all, hating on the “unpopular” Trump is old news, while hating on the once-sacred Clinton has the frisson of transgression liberals love so much. If she does poorly tonight, we might see the rhetorical knives come unsheathed among the liberal commentariat.

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  79. @Dr. X
    The advantage should be with Trump here. Hillary has been a public figure for 30 years. She's a known commodity. She can't re-invent herself. Her support maxes out very, very low. Nobody's actually for Hillary (except for maybe a few 60-year-old lesbians). She can only win if Trump comes off as unqualified.

    The question is whether Trump can capture undecided voters by not doing or saying something stupid. I think he can do it... the question is, will his naturally obnoxious New York personality get in the way. Potential pitfalls to watch for: a possibly rigged debate with trick questions, possibly rigged moderators, and biased media coverage.

    Possibly rigged moderators?

    Lester Holt? Lester Holt!

    This will be Trump’s test. They will throw some racial garbage at him. If he folds and cucks, he’s toast. If he takes them on, he might have a shot.

    Either way, his comments will be taken out of context.

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  80. hhsiii says:

    From the sports handicapper at the NY Post (I get my political commentary from the classiest sources):

    Hillary is taking her favorite route to the Hofstra debate. The LIE.

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  81. ic1000 says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    On the news, not just NPR but the not-very-Trump-friendly Fox News as well, I keep hearing that both these candidates are deeply unpopular, with roughly equal disapproval ratings. That misses an important point, which is obvious in the size and energy of their rallies. A lot of people hate Trump, but a lot of us enthusiastically support him as well, more than we have any Republican candidate in our lifetime. (I was lukewarm about Reagan.) On the other hand, most of the people who plan to vote for Hillary aren't particularly enthusiastic about her, they just hate Trump. Hillary is just more of the same, only worse and with a vagina.

    BTW, I was struck by the claim that whites "say they are tired of debating racism." When do we ever get to debate racism, except anonymously on the internet? All we ever get to do is listen to lectures about our racism from people who hate us.

    > All we ever get to do is listen to lectures about our racism from people who hate us.

    You misunderstand. That’s the start of the tough conversation that keeps getting urged on us by President Obama, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, Hillary Clinton, CBS news, NPR’s CodeSwitch team, the NYT, Yale University, and Black Lives Matter. Among others.

    If you’d talk less and listen more, perhaps the healing of our nation could begin. Here’s a picture to help you get into the spirit of reconciliation.

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  82. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @G Pinfold
    I have just seen Hillary's 'I should be fifty points ahead' speech. I may have missed something, but Steve's post seemed to deal with the content. The real story is clearly in the delivery... Holy mother of Jehosaphat. If I came home looking like that, I would be keeping Fido warm for the next few days.
    This was highlighted tonight by Sean Hannity (who I know is no rocket scientist, but he is right on this one).
    If you have not actually watched the clip, it is essential viewing. Draw your own conclusions.
    Mine is that the Betty Ford people have been working with her this week, practising for the debate, specifically, trying to ensure that the 'fifty points' Hillary does not wander onstage and grab the mike.
    Which Hillary is going to show up?

    Mine is that the Betty Ford people have been working with her this week, practising for the debate, specifically, trying to ensure that the ‘fifty points’ Hillary does not wander onstage and grab the mike.

    I can’t wait for the shaking and eye-rolling and head bobbing and pant suit-wetting. I would hate, HATE, to be Hillary today. Going against the most unflappable guy in the world. Debate #1 Hillary and The Donald or Shaking and Not Stirred.

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  83. @ic1000
    The first ten seconds of that YouTube video is should be devastating to Clinton. Perhaps if more voters understood the context.

    Longstanding Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi sponsored anti-American terrorism. But in the wake of 9/11 and the Iraq War, he reconciled with the West -- renouncing terrorism, paying billions in indemnities, decommissioning weapons programs, and opposing al-Qaeda.

    Gaddafi's reward for changing sides was to have the US and Britain support the Islamist rebels who challenged him. After his capture, rebels tortured, raped, and summarily executed Gaddaffi.

    These are the events that so tickled Secretary of State Clinton in the video ("We came, we saw, he died").

    Libyans must find the subsequent collapse of their country into a Failed State to be a real side-splitter. Shootouts between al-Qaeda and Islamic State militias surely add to the revelry.

    Heck of a job, Hillary!

    The worst eventuality for this debate is Trump getting dragged into the culture war weeds by Hillary and then tossing out stupid “zingers” instead of working the stump on trade, immigration, foreign policy, terrorism, etc. Expecting him to read Borjas or Chang would be absurd at this point; the most we can hope for is that Trump’s tuning into Michael Savage every once in a while.

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  84. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    Steve

    Owens lake in Keller was reduced to a stagnant pond to meet the H2O needs of La RAZA…Iranian….Hindu….and Han People genelines exponentially expanding in greater LA.

    Kirk Douglas just turned 100…I took a look at Kirk Douglas in google images. There is a photo of Kirk Douglas in a Flannel shirt wielding an ax in the great outdoors in the mountains-the mountains surrounding LA. There was hardly anything down below in terms of urban sprawl…big empty valley. The photo was taken in 1950.

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  85. Andrew E. says:

    I think it’s clear the Gennifer Flowers quip was not meant to sway voters Trump’s way but to get into Hillary’s head and affect her performance. I’ve read that Killary hates, hates, hates Gennifer because of Bill’s long-term relationship and clear preference for Gennifer over Killary.

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  86. @Harry Baldwin
    On the news, not just NPR but the not-very-Trump-friendly Fox News as well, I keep hearing that both these candidates are deeply unpopular, with roughly equal disapproval ratings. That misses an important point, which is obvious in the size and energy of their rallies. A lot of people hate Trump, but a lot of us enthusiastically support him as well, more than we have any Republican candidate in our lifetime. (I was lukewarm about Reagan.) On the other hand, most of the people who plan to vote for Hillary aren't particularly enthusiastic about her, they just hate Trump. Hillary is just more of the same, only worse and with a vagina.

    BTW, I was struck by the claim that whites "say they are tired of debating racism." When do we ever get to debate racism, except anonymously on the internet? All we ever get to do is listen to lectures about our racism from people who hate us.

    Amen. All of your comment was spot on.

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  87. Thea says:
    @PiltdownMan
    I think the fix is in.

    Nobody in that audience including the moderator will be pro-Trump, most will be hostile.

    And most of these people are already convinced that it is a moral imperative to defeat him by any means necessary. Just read the establishment papers and pronouncements for the last year.

    Softball questions for Hillary Clinton, hardball questions for Donald Trump, running out the clock, audio earpiece prompts—every dirty trick in the book will quite possibly be used. Hillary has a long history of judging what she can get away with, and is known to break the implicit (or explicit) rules in any situation if it is to her advantage, i.e. she is unethical. In this situation, she will calculate that she can get away with any outrage-and she may well be right.

    It will be ugly.

    The depths of murderous evil if both the Bush & Clinton clans defies belief.

    Destroying civil society around the world and in various cultures for personal profit is so much worse than the email shenanigans. She should be on the most wanted list of a least a dozen nations.

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  88. Marcus says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    If the 1965 Immigration Reform Act had not been passed, and if a National Origins Immigration Policy had been implemented that excluded all nonwhites:


    1)Hillary Clinton would not be a viable POTUS candidate in 2016


    2)Barack Obama never elected POTUS in 2008+2012


    3)White Folks still a 90 percent racial majority in US in 2016



    Question:Orville and Neville Wright were two Sihk Legal Immibrant brothers from the Punjab Region of India...right?

    Yes, they moonlighted as taxi drivers

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  89. Thea says:
    @jill
    Yes, NYT, we need more sanity in the White House

    "We Came, We Saw, He Died"

    https://youtu.be/FmIRYvJQeHM

    Thanks for posting this. That cruel cackle really exposes her soul.

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  90. The NYT wants this to be about race and gender because the D Party has patented these issues and stands tall on their achievements. Tolerance for gays has turned into tyranny of the GLBTetc and policing issues have hardly been solved by stoking grievances 24/7.

    The race and gender monopoly insures real problems are not addressed. The only way things get better for blacks in this country is if things get better for the whole working class. Race issues are entrained with economic ones affecting everyone. Rioting and BLM demonstrations do nothing to help end the shootings. By empowering the grievance it has made it worse as cops are being shot and becoming even quicker to shoot first.

    HRC is detached from reality when she blames the Tulsa shooting on “systemic racism.” If anything it raises the issue of whether women should be treated identically to men in jobs requiring male attributes such as strength and testosterone. I realize we can’t have that conversation, but at least Democrats should have to acknowledge they abandoned working class issues and made it all about race and gender as party policy. The base still doesn’t quite know what happened.

    HRC claims to want to unite the entire borderless world in one giant fantasy world of unlimited prosperity and happiness. Resisters are haters, but not only did no one give the US government the authority to end our nation as we know it, there is no evidence that the result will be the Coca Cola commercial variety and not be endless bloodshed and poverty all around. It’s our country, Hillary, and no one has the right to give away that which is not theirs to give.

    The economic recovery under Obama is pathetic. The peace prize winner’s wars are by far the largest threat the world has faced in this millennium. Obamacare is a fine example of a government that auctions its people to profiteers. Borderless and unlimited immigration is an abuse of office that threatens our peace and freedom. And, last but not least, the free press isn’t. How can a people be free when the media is weaponized against it?

    As Connecticut Fa(r?)mer said above, How can a candidate “bring people together” when half of the electorate has been besmirched as “divisive, bigoted and sexist”?

    It is the Democrats who have been hateful and divisive and refuse to engage in honest debate.

    Big night. As others have said, Trump’s job is to convince the convincible that he can be trusted as president. I hope the buzz afterward will be people talking about how their perceptions of Trump have changed.

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  91. Is it real or is it Salon? The “uncanny valley” between journalism and parody :

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  92. res says:

    Any thoughts on the podium kerfuffle?

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/clinton-debate-podium-larger-trump-report-article-1.2805846

    It doesn’t make sense to me that Hillary would want a taller podium unless she was allowed to stand on something (which supposedly is not permitted).

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    The podium is the platform you stand on. The lectern is that box in front of you that you stand behind. Hillary will stand on a raised podium.

    Trump is about 10 inches taller than Hillary.
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  93. Clyde says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "The most crucial debate is going on right now among Hillary’s Docs. Debating what magic combo of meds to pump her up with for the Trump debate."

    Indeed. I wonder if she has mostly been out of pocket for the last week, so that they could experiment with the dosages. It'll be some kind of speed-ball she's on.

    We are all hoping that by now Hillary’s Docs have fine tuned her witch’s brew of uppers, downers (tranquilizers), cognitive enhancers, thyroid meds and anti-seizure meds so that she does not crap out in mid-debate. A seizure on stage would be ugly and in her case fugly.

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  94. OT: Washington Post: the alt-right is going to kill you:

    But lurking behind the offensive tweets and racially charged campaign rhetoric, there’s a more subtle — and far more dangerous — potential threat posed by the alt-right. As my colleagues and I found during a large-scale analysis of alt-right Twitter activity over the past nine months, the movement is growing measurably more radical, and possibly more inclined to violence.

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    Only if you don't like what they tell you to believe in.
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  95. Just to bring up an odd point, I am surprised by how much energy Hillary’s campaign and the media has put into rebutting Trump’s claim that he was against the Iraq War. Admittedly, Trump’s claim is a little hard to justify based on available evidence from interviews at the time — he seems to be pretty much on the fence at the time, based on the somewhat contradictory things he had said in public (on the other hand, for a Republican to be other than whole-hog enthusiastic at that time is itself remarkable).

    But what point do Hillary and her supporters imagine they are scoring here? That Trump was as wrong as she was about the Iraq War, and he should stop saying otherwise? How does that make her look good?

    Sometimes you wonder how smart these campaign staff and supporters really are. They get stuck on process, when voters are interested only in product. These staff want to play Inside-Baseball, when a campaign is Outside Baseball.

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    But what point do Hillary and her supporters imagine they are scoring here?
     
    They are trying to say he lied. He says he was always against Iraq. But they say he was for it. They claim 70% of what he says are either falsehoods or lies. It's all part of the process of trying to paint him as a guy who will say anything to get elected.

    Secondarily, it also serves to not bring up Iraq since Hillary's position is at odds with most democrats, especially Bernie fans. So if they can make the charge of lying about Iraq stick, Trump won't remind Bernie voters that Hillary supported the war.
    , @LondonBob
    Yep it is a puzzler why the left obsesses about that. Pretty clear he did oppose the war, not sure in what language I guess so ranks as an endorsement set against his other statements criticising it. Still making this election about the Iraq is a sure winner for team Clinton, I guess.
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  96. AndrewR says:

    “Having the two of them debate race and gender issues would show more clearly than anything else that one candidate has a record and vision to bring people together, and one has offered the most divisive, bigoted and sexist comments and policies we’ve seen from a major party nominee.”

    I agree with this description. Hillary’s race and sex baiting are unprecedented in living memory.

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  97. AndrewR says:
    @eah
    OT

    https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/780390583865118720

    Why didnt she go to the manager before making a big deal on social media? Screw her.

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    Well, if you had actually read the article you would have seen the reference to this in the social media post

    Walmart refused to honor her request due to it being "racist." Three separate people in management denied her request for this reason.
     
    at https://www.facebook.com/taylor.wilkes.735/posts/1839762022923775

    and also have understood that the social media post above was made by a friend--not her.

    Way to be both completely wrong and obnoxious at the same time.
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  98. Expect an asymmetrical TED Talk.

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  99. EdwardM says:
    @AndyBoy
    Everyone in the media thinks Trump will win. WE need to make sure this is the first step in dismantling Political Correctness and getting real free speech again.

    This is yet another type of media bias: raising expectations for “showman” Trump while lowering them for “calm and competent yet not flashy” Clinton, so they can declare Hillary the winner no matter what.

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  100. Dirk Dagger [AKA "oarsman:regatta"] says: • Website

    U. of Illinois party shooter news

    Said Eric Jones, 20, of Orland Park: “The lesson to be learned from this is: If you are going to have a party, put all your guns away,” he said.

    Don’t worry though …

    Illinois Student Senate has scheduled a vigil for 7 p.m. Tuesday on the Quad following Sunday’s shooting in Campustown.

    Police are said to be looking for a Haven Monahan of Virginia. This is why I’m voting Hillary 2016.

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  101. [1] If the debate participants are allowed to ask questions of each other, Trump has a wide selection of questions that reporters have never asked Hillary.

    [2] Trump can publicly call upon those who attended any of Hillary’s three Goldman Sachs speeches (the dates and venues are known) to make public the highlights of the Hillary’s speeches. (They took notes, didn’t they?) If those GS people who attended the speeches are prohibited from revealing what they learned, that fact would be interesting too.

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    [1] If the debate participants are allowed to ask questions of each other, Trump has a wide selection of questions that reporters have never asked Hillary.
     
    Which is why I think we will be able to rely on the moderator making sure the participants don't go "off topic". It will be interesting to see how much back and forth is permitted.
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  102. Anonym says:
    @power child
    If the slangy German pronunciation of Sailer is SY-luh, that makes it the same as the normal Australian pronunciation.

    Only for some Americans ears. The latter conversion of er to uh, yes, similar as in NE US. But the SY bit stretches things. Both in US and AU pronunciation there is a distinct difference between sai and sy. Or say and sigh. NE accent speakers and Brits would not conflate the two.

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  103. @Barnard
    This sounds like spin. A voter who think destructive rioting is a justified response to a police shooting that may or may not be justified, is already a committed Hillary voter. Women who are undecided or low info are going to be more concerned about the violence.

    Also, add in the fact that many (white) women may have cops as boyfriends, husbands, significant others, relatives, etc. and that they might not like it that their loved ones were gunned down by thugs. Seeing one candidate clearly endorsing the thugs while the other candidate runs on law and order, which side would these undecideds take and ultimately vote for?

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  104. Hillary Clinton probably doesn’t understand the Law of Averages, so your comment may be true, but you’d better correct it for your readers. The Law of Averages say that over 100 coin tosses, about 50 will be heads. It does NOT say that if you’ve tossed 30 tails in a row, the next toss will probably be heads— the odds are still 50-50, unless you’ve got a rigged coin toss.

    It does seem, of course, that Isis and Black Lives Matter and La Raza want Trump to be elected and are staging as many incidents as they can to help.

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    the odds are still 50-50, unless you’ve got a rigged coin toss
     
    This being Clinton, there's little or no chance anything isn't rigged. Only catastrophic incompetence counters the corrupt hypocrisy of the US sphere establishments.

    And of course the coin itself doesn't have to be rigged when the outcome is so massively rigged - a hundred pro-Trump events will be buried beneath the avalanche of hysterically propagandist press and media coverage of any major pro-Clinton event.
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  105. 5371 says:
    @Yak-15
    The article talks about Muslims and police shootings. Where is the evidence that Trump and Hillary are strongly divided on race and gender? Literally zero evidence cited in the missive other than a Demkcrat woman explaining how race and gender should be an issue. Still, no information whatsoever about how they are divided.

    This article is really bad.

    [This article is really bad.]

    Welcome to 2016!

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  106. Clyde says:
    @hhsiii
    It's pretty much back to being a tie. 538 this morning has it 51.5% Hillary, 48.5% Trump, with electoral votes at 272 to 265.7 (Johnson .3).

    Pass the popcorn.

    538/Nate Silver update via Daily Caller at 10:35 AM 09/26/2016 says Trump would win election held today

    Statistics site 538, which is operated by Nate Silver, adjusted its projections ahead of the debate Monday, giving the odds to Republican nominee Donald Trump.

    If the election were held today, Trump leads with a 54.9 percent chance of winning the election, according to the site. The win projection stems from Trump winning the key battleground states of Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, and Nevada. The same projection shows Clinton winning Pennsylvania, Colorado, and Virginia.

    The last time that Trump won the “now-cast” was July 29, after the Republican National Convention, and before Clinton’s “convention bump” that lasted through all of August and most of September. Clinton had a 92 percent chance of winning in the first week of August, and has been in a steady decline ever since.

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/26/silver-trump-would-win-if-election-were-held-today/

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  107. @Arclight
    Overall I still feel that for Trump to have an actual shot at winning he a) needs to be leading by at least a couple of points going into October and b) a halfway respectable GOTV operation in the most important swing states. Right now we doesn't have either, so I would guess he narrowly loses the popular vote but has a fairly large Electoral College loss.

    Hilary is a competent debater and the debate moderators are going to select questions that play to her strengths - detailed foreign and domestic policy questions. She does best in a studio setting when it's just her versus someone else with a questioner rather than the audience format, where she tries - and generally fails - to establish her humanity with the audience. That's the only real handicap tonight, I think. Regardless, the media will portray Clinton as the clear winner.

    Yeah, I agree with other commenter. Show the link of the last time Hillary debated. What was that, about ten yrs ago when she was in better health?

    Also, the medium of television is not very kind to Hillary. It’s not what is said, its the way it looks and how its said. Let’s say you’re right, and Hillary is mopping the floor with the Donald on the details of policy. And then all of a sudden….she falls down. Or she coughs for about thirty seconds. How does that look on live television in front of 100 million people? Looks like an old decrepit woman in poor failing health. Why would undecideds vote for someone who might not last the first year of her first term? Also, Hillary isn’t the best at ad libbing or wandering off the script by making off the cuff remarks the way Trump is a master. She could easily get distracted and wander off and look foolish.

    Remember: Trump had to dispose of 16 other GOP candidates in numerous live televised debates, where he was the oldest candidate on the stage. This can’t be repeated enough: He fairly easily disposed of “lower engergy” Rubio and Cruz, who are young enough to be his kids. If they couldn’t keep up with him, certainly he can handle someone like Hillary, who had fewer debates and could barely keep up with 75 yr old Sanders.

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  108. Randal says:
    @Eric Rasmusen
    Hillary Clinton probably doesn't understand the Law of Averages, so your comment may be true, but you'd better correct it for your readers. The Law of Averages say that over 100 coin tosses, about 50 will be heads. It does NOT say that if you've tossed 30 tails in a row, the next toss will probably be heads--- the odds are still 50-50, unless you've got a rigged coin toss.

    It does seem, of course, that Isis and Black Lives Matter and La Raza want Trump to be elected and are staging as many incidents as they can to help.

    the odds are still 50-50, unless you’ve got a rigged coin toss

    This being Clinton, there’s little or no chance anything isn’t rigged. Only catastrophic incompetence counters the corrupt hypocrisy of the US sphere establishments.

    And of course the coin itself doesn’t have to be rigged when the outcome is so massively rigged – a hundred pro-Trump events will be buried beneath the avalanche of hysterically propagandist press and media coverage of any major pro-Clinton event.

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  109. Travis says:

    Trumps is building on his momentum. Hillary is not in a good situation, how can she further demonize Trump, the media has failed after months of attacking him non-stop. The more people see Hillary speaking the more they are reminded of Nurse Ratched.

    Even the liberal media has often compared Hillary to Nurse Ratchet…in 2007 On Hardball, Chris Matthews asked about Hillary , “Does she look like Nurse Ratched here?” a “scheming, manipulative agent” who “asserts arbitrary control simply because she can.” In fact, Matthews and others on programs on NBC, MSNBC, and CNBC have a long history of associating Clinton with Nurse Ratched for good reasons.

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  110. Anonym says:
    @Nico
    I'm not a jurist or a legal professional but it would certainly seem to me that there is a case for zealous advocacy of one's clients as a rule for a more just system overall, even if not every instance finishes "correctly."

    Even so, there is something odd about laughing about such a case later on. One might expect a decent person would be sober and humble about such an undertaking, however necessary. But maybe it's not unlike the different ways in which soldiers of war cope with the reality that they have taken lives.

    In any event, whatever the merits of Clinton's conduct on the case in question, it will not help her candidacy if the general public receives acute reminders that she is a trial attorney, especially at this point.

    Whenever Hillary is confronted about an evil deed she has done, she cackles. It is her nature. Apologies for the monkey brain triggering, but you can see it in responses a couple times in the following video. And the Quadaphi death quote.

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  111. iSteveFan says:
    @candid_observer
    Just to bring up an odd point, I am surprised by how much energy Hillary's campaign and the media has put into rebutting Trump's claim that he was against the Iraq War. Admittedly, Trump's claim is a little hard to justify based on available evidence from interviews at the time -- he seems to be pretty much on the fence at the time, based on the somewhat contradictory things he had said in public (on the other hand, for a Republican to be other than whole-hog enthusiastic at that time is itself remarkable).

    But what point do Hillary and her supporters imagine they are scoring here? That Trump was as wrong as she was about the Iraq War, and he should stop saying otherwise? How does that make her look good?

    Sometimes you wonder how smart these campaign staff and supporters really are. They get stuck on process, when voters are interested only in product. These staff want to play Inside-Baseball, when a campaign is Outside Baseball.

    But what point do Hillary and her supporters imagine they are scoring here?

    They are trying to say he lied. He says he was always against Iraq. But they say he was for it. They claim 70% of what he says are either falsehoods or lies. It’s all part of the process of trying to paint him as a guy who will say anything to get elected.

    Secondarily, it also serves to not bring up Iraq since Hillary’s position is at odds with most democrats, especially Bernie fans. So if they can make the charge of lying about Iraq stick, Trump won’t remind Bernie voters that Hillary supported the war.

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    And, seriously, he was chatting with Howard Stern, for God's sake! I don't even think most people know Stern or listen to his show. The entire show should be used as an example of why "proving, " like petulant children that Trump lied, is gonna backfire: anyone says anything (especially Howard) to get a laugh or "out-outrage" the guest, and talk about chicks is constant. In fact, just like Trump said O is a citizen, he can say, "yeah, so what?" if the idea of "he was for Iraq," comes up. Howard would actually love that and it would be good for his ratings. Howard's shtick is not NPR nor serious policy wonkyness. Howard Stern is a provocateur who has a potty-mouth. He's extremely funny but he is loyally un-PC. I could never listen to the HS Show if my parents were in the car with me!

    Bernie Bros need to have the mystery - hidden emails/Wall St/endless war-nuclear war drummed into them to scare them off of their smart-phone-in-hand-asses, and realize that their butts would be conscripted in a heartbeat to some godforsaken evil land if Trump is not the leader of the free world. Trump does not want nuclear war...or any more useless, unwinnable wars with societies who must go through their own civil war, reformation, human rights issues, gender issues. The Millennials do not want to deal with icky, backward countries anymore.

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  112. Anonym says:
    @ic1000
    > How about that 12 year old rape victim that Hillary brutalized, do women also approve of that?

    I didn't understand this reference, it's to Clinton's first case as an Arkansas legal aid lawyer in 1975 (Daily Mail). She defended a middle-aged white man who was accused of violently raping a 12 year old girl. Before trial, Clinton got the crucial physical evidence (semen on the girl's underpants) excluded, due to a crime lab mistake. To undermine the girl's credibility, Clinton forced her to submit to a grueling psychological exam. These hardball tactics worked, the rapist pled to a very reduced charge, "fondling of a minor."

    The Daily Mail and the victim hear Clinton "joking," "chuckling," and "laughing" about the case during a recently unearthed interview that was taped in the 1980s.

    Snopes updated their story "Hillary Clinton Freed Child Rapist" last month; they glide over awkward details and claim that the Daily Mail's account is "Mostly False".

    Clinton's actual defense would be that legal ethics required her to advocate forcefully for her client, notwithstanding his guilt. But of course she can't say that, it would be deplorable.

    Snopes has always had an establishment bias but that bias is more liberal establishment now.

    http://www.angrypatriotmovement.com/who-is-behind-snopes/

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  113. Jack D says:
    @G Pinfold
    I have just seen Hillary's 'I should be fifty points ahead' speech. I may have missed something, but Steve's post seemed to deal with the content. The real story is clearly in the delivery... Holy mother of Jehosaphat. If I came home looking like that, I would be keeping Fido warm for the next few days.
    This was highlighted tonight by Sean Hannity (who I know is no rocket scientist, but he is right on this one).
    If you have not actually watched the clip, it is essential viewing. Draw your own conclusions.
    Mine is that the Betty Ford people have been working with her this week, practising for the debate, specifically, trying to ensure that the 'fifty points' Hillary does not wander onstage and grab the mike.
    Which Hillary is going to show up?

    If the technology was slightly more advanced, I would swear that was an animatronic robot Hillary. She is so disturbing to look at because she falls within the uncanny valley.

    Scott Adams (who endorsed Trump today, reversing his prior “I fear for my life/livelihood so I’m endorsing Hillary ” endorsement) also points to the 50 points ahead video as evidence that something is seriously wrong with her.

    I get the feeling that a lot of committed Democrats would look at that video and not see anything wrong at all. The weirdness is down at the gut level where you can’t quite articulate what is “off” but you know that something ain’t quite right about her.

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    I get the feeling that a lot of committed Democrats would look at that video and not see anything wrong at all. The weirdness is down at the gut level where you can’t quite articulate what is “off” but you know that something ain’t quite right about her.
     
    Definitely. Even liberal leaners will get that same opinion - I showed it to one. The reason why liberals can stay liberals is they live in a walled garden. Huffpo is not going to show that video, for example.

    There are two things that are off about Hillary. The psychopathic, pathalogical lying bit goes back to birth. But this later bit strikes me as recent and demented. Her brain is failing her. Dementia begins generally as mild cognitive impairment. One hallmark of that and more advanced dementia is the failure to adapt to new information and respond to it appropriately, intelligently and with good judgment. Instead, you get inflexibility. Railing at the camera in this case.

    A debate is one of the most open ended tests of how she will respond, and is a nightmare for both H and her handlers. Trump ought to ask her to expose her ears for the earpiece. The American public deserve more than to elect an animatronic robot.

    Trump has his debating faults, but dementia is not one of them. He is extremely quick on his feet and intelligent. He comes at you in ways that are novel and unexpected. I would not like to be Hillary's chief handler right now.
    , @candid_observer
    Yeah, she strikes me as generally coming across the way Al Gore did in his debate performances--desperately trying to find a manner that seems vaguely human, but wildly careening between being bizarrely under-energized and bizarrely intense.

    It's like she keeps failing the Turing Test, and badly. It's just too easy to see she's not really human.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    Scott Adams is now back on the DJT band wagon, primarily because of the estate tax. http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150919416661/why-i-switched-my-endorsement-from-clinton-to
    , @Jefferson
    "If the technology was slightly more advanced, I would swear that was an animatronic robot Hillary."

    Comparing Crooked Hildabeast to robots is an insult to robots. Even the T-800 is way more likable than her.

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  114. AndrewR says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I should like to know the correct pronunciation of Steve’s name. Is it just like “sailor” or does it rhyme with “Tyler”?
     
    Pretty much like sail-or, although I just say sail-er or say-ler. Now that I think about it, I should ask some relatives whether the syllable break should fall before or after the L.

    I've been told that people in the German speaking countries say Syl-er (or Sy-ler).

    Zy-luh

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  115. Gabriel M says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber
    It would be nice if some of the Alt-Right personalities could avoid, in public appearances, mentioning Nazis, Jews, "race realism" and all the other crap that undermined paleoconservatism/nationalist populism last time around. Emphasizing topics like fair trade, selective immigration, and non-interventionism is much more convincing than waving around racial IQ tables. "Alt-Right" is a terrible descriptor in the first place, so sounding like a skinhead talking-point machine doesn't do much to persuade people.

    But, umm, “race realism” is true, whereas “fair trade” is at best meaningless gas and, at worst, a cover word for the most economically illiterate policy of all time: protectionist tariffs.

    And there’s the problem in a nutshell: herding cats.

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  116. Boomstick says:
    @Jack Hanson
    I guess Trump would never sucker in Clinton by lying to lower her own guard.

    One of the main reasons Hillary can’t close is that she’s not very likable or trustworthy or healthy. Her rattling off factoids and position paper five-point plans doesn’t address those fundamental issues. So Trump is inviting her to go heavy on technocratic bafflegab as an attempted killshot is just some misdirection.

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  117. epebble says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Trump might say: "Hillary Clinton pushes trade deal scams that harm the United States of America. Hillary Clinton's husband, Bill, rammed the North American Free Trade Agreement through the US Congress in 1993. NAFTA has given the US worker the SHAFTA. I will renegotiate NAFTA or end it. NAFTA has lowered wages for US workers. NAFTA has resulted in millions of illegal aliens pouring across the United States border. NAFTA has eroded the sovereignty of the United States. NAFTA has hollowed out the industrial base of the United States." Trump might say: "Hillary Clinton has pushed the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal scam. Now Hillary Clinton says she's against the Trans-Pacific partnership. Does anyone out there believe that Hillary Clinton doesn't still support the Trans-Pacific Partnership? The Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal scam is worse than the North American Free Trade Agreement. US Senator Jeff Sessions says that the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal scam is an attack on American workers. US Senator Jeff Sessions says that the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal scam is an attack on US national sovereignty. I trust US Senator Jeff Sessions, and I don't trust Hillary Clinton on the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal scam."

    All those issues you mention make excellent debating points; but I think the negative impact of NAFTA has been greatly exaggerated. The true murder of American economy started after the PNTR bill was signed on October 10, 2000; https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/106/hr4444

    That is the date, if a date is needed, to mark when America started on the downward path to perdition. I believe it is impossible to extricate out of it now without extremely high costs that no politician will be brave enough to try.

    Though it is politically expedient to pin it on Bill Clinton, the real murderer of USA is a republican by name Bill Archer, Representative for Texas’s 7th congressional district. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Reynolds_Archer_Jr.

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    Pat Buchanan was against granting China Permanent Normal Trade Relations(PNTR) -- PNTR is the new name for what was called Most Favored Nation trade status. Since the end of the Cold War, Pat Buchanan has been the man who has been more right about more things than anybody else. Buchanan was right about mass immigration, trade deal scams, the need for an America First foreign policy and the impending multicultural implosion of European Christian nations. Trump would be wise to bring up the disastrous results of granting China PNTR in tonight's debate.
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  118. Yngvar says:

    The iron law of presidential elections state that the candidate with the ugliest wife wins. Mrs. William Clinton’s candidacy have thrown all predictions based on this law into total disarray.

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  119. Boomstick says:
    @countenance
    OT slightly.

    A lot of people have been trying to make sense of Trump meeting Bill Clinton before he announced his campaign, and Bill remaining a member of Trump's golf club even up to now. The obvious speculation among people who aren't fond of Trump is that Bill prodded Trump into running because he thought Trump as nominee would be a cinch for his wife to beat.

    I think I've figured out what was going on with that.

    I predicted, on the day Trump ran, that his campaign would start a demolition derby within Republican Presidential politics, which would do three things: (1) Result in what were then considered top tier candidates seeing their campaigns end sooner than they or anyone would have predicted, if they didn't think they would actually be the nominee, (2) Result in lower tier candidates seeing their campaigns last longer than they or anyone else would have predicted, and (3) Result in a nominee that would have been a total surprise as late as June 15, 2015, though I didn't think the nominee would be Trump himself.

    My predictions turned out to be spot on, except for the eventual nominee.

    As an aside, this is why the few remaining Ted Cruz cultists are stupid to say that Cruz would have won the nomination if Trump never ran. That's based on a simple horse race analysis, when the proper analysis here is chess board. The only reason Cruz was the place candidate was because Trump ran, Cruz was an example of number 2 in my above analysis. I think if Trump never ran, the establishment would have gotten its way with Jeb!.

    Now, let's loop this back around to Bill Clinton. I think he figured what I did before I did it, and the reason he convinced Trump to run is because he assumed that Trump running would result in a Republican nominee not named Trump that would have been easier for his wife to beat than it would have been for her to beat Jeb!, at least in Bill's mind. Though in all honesty, I think Hillary would have easily beaten Jeb!.

    No way in Hell ¡Jeb! was a viable candidate. He was just sad and out of step with the zeitgeist, no matter how much money was thrown at him to squander.

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  120. Lagertha says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    On the news, not just NPR but the not-very-Trump-friendly Fox News as well, I keep hearing that both these candidates are deeply unpopular, with roughly equal disapproval ratings. That misses an important point, which is obvious in the size and energy of their rallies. A lot of people hate Trump, but a lot of us enthusiastically support him as well, more than we have any Republican candidate in our lifetime. (I was lukewarm about Reagan.) On the other hand, most of the people who plan to vote for Hillary aren't particularly enthusiastic about her, they just hate Trump. Hillary is just more of the same, only worse and with a vagina.

    BTW, I was struck by the claim that whites "say they are tired of debating racism." When do we ever get to debate racism, except anonymously on the internet? All we ever get to do is listen to lectures about our racism from people who hate us.

    Team Hillary is determined to make the debate all about race and gender…because they’ve got nothing.

    Trump needs to walk into the debate confidently, and diplomatically, and drag everybody into the hot, bloody, rapey landscapes of the Middle East as much as possible. Clinton’s numerous failures in Libya, Syria/Iraq is the battlefield, and she can’t ignore the utter destruction of civilization in the M.E., it is her record. Her glib (and very sociopathic) comment over the death of Qhadaffi, was grotesque. The colossal mistakes of this administration of arming the wrong rebels, sending weapons to god knows who, drawing “Red Lines,” and then screwing them up is just a ‘hole lotta sand in peoples mouths and eyes, still. And, when she said to Matt Lauer that she will take the time to “learn from mistakes,” (admitting: Iraq War epic-fail) the 5000+ soldier deaths, and 120,000 maimed/TBI/burned soldiers, must be beaten into her brain with a cudgel of words, relentlessly. I mean, I was horrified how the Vietnam vets came to realize they were in a bullsh*t war that everyone thought was a waste.

    She can not be allowed to pivot from the Middle East; that’s the tarbaby that she owns. And, she knows the American people are sick of the Middle East….so she will claw her way back to talking about race or gender. Of course, the targeted killing of cops is an inconvenient detail in her push to make the people “who cling to their guns and religion” appear like bigots and that Trump is their Hitler. Sh*t if anyone even brings up Hitler tonight, take a shot of vodka, or Fireball!

    Bringing up gender, specifically women, is just moronic. If she goes there, she must answer to the slavery of women by ISIS creeps/Boko Haram etc.; women being beat-up in Turkey for wearing shorts; Trump supporters being pelted with eggs, bottles, being hit; white women being attacked in NC last night, gays being thrown off of roofs in the Middle East cities, etc., etc., etc. Muslim women do not have agency in the Middle East – yet she can’t find the words to refute this. I doubt any Muslim countries will respect her anyway….even Erdogan’s wife said women belong in the kitchen, I suppose baking those infamous cookies that she mocked decades ago!

    This election is about war, endless war, the massive migrant crisis and USA’s own major Immigration ( including the LEP – Limited English Proficiency/ “unaccompanied minors” that are killing the educational budgets in states like NC) problem. How did those children’s parents get word from their governments and ours, anyway, to stick them on that train to the Mexican border! This needs to come up because of the catastrophic budget crises in public schools in many states being forced to deal with these, often, illiterate, traumatized children. Just look up the southern schools especially, who are dealing with this. What about helping those nice lady teachers? The taxpayers who must pay for thousands of children not their own?

    The breakdown of EU & USA with citizens of all Western countries being completely, and indefinitely polarized is the major thing. Brexit happened. There is hate in the air, and no one believes in Stronger Together. That sounds like a banner at a youth church convention, anyway. This is no longer a PC world. PC killed 5000+ soldiers. And, unlucky for Democrats, most of those soldiers come from the land between the elitist coasts….the people with families who have been relentlessly mocked (by the MSM) for a full year, now. It’s a funny thing, but condescending to people or calling them bigots, without any proof, doesn’t make them like you.

    If she tries to make the debate about race and gender in this country, than she has no right to be the president. The world politics/war politics, and breakdown in society in failed states, and the failure of nations to look after their own citizens first, is now on the mind of all citizens who worry that 15 years after 9/11, we continue to have Jihadi terrorist assaults on innocent citizens, world-wide, while Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, etc., are in ruins. The economic health of all countries is very ominous…there is 1% or less growth, and Fed doesn’t have the guts to raise the interest rates because they know exactly what would happen if done before this election.

    People are worried about the future of their children. Therefore, to polarize people further with racial issues, BLM, turning your back on the American flag, or whether there are enough women coders, CEO’s is not as important as continual attacks by Jihadis or nuclear war with Russia. Trump needs to drag the debate back to the Middle East and immigration constantly. She was epic-fail there, and it should haunt her. Her low-affect stance on the important stuff is really scary. Wouldn’t it be cool if Anonymous hacked into any earpiece that she may have? It would be SOOO “The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.”

    But, team Clinton will try to remove the Scooby-Doo mask of Trump tonight, and all days, by trying to expose him as a bigot and sexist. Ergo, since Clinton has failed in the Middle East, she is going to try to makes this debate all about domestic issues…which, in the long run are connected to our foreign policy nightmare. I want to hear about ending the chaos of the Middle East; ending war, getting the heck out of that part of the world, no war with Putin, exclusively. Nothing else matters. Truly, if we do not have a country, have candidates that are so blinded by the useless idea of Globalism, the steady march towards cultural Marxism together with PC mandates evolving into an authoritarian govt with “Progressive” elites in power, we are doomed. Make America Great Again.

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    Lol a few weeks ago someone made a photoshop of idiot feminist Jessica Valenti wearing a Trump hat with a quote "Trump's immigration policy will keep rape culture out of the US" or something.
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  121. Jack D says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber
    It would be nice if some of the Alt-Right personalities could avoid, in public appearances, mentioning Nazis, Jews, "race realism" and all the other crap that undermined paleoconservatism/nationalist populism last time around. Emphasizing topics like fair trade, selective immigration, and non-interventionism is much more convincing than waving around racial IQ tables. "Alt-Right" is a terrible descriptor in the first place, so sounding like a skinhead talking-point machine doesn't do much to persuade people.

    Too late. The WashPo has PROVEN, with CHARTS that alt-right is another word for Nazi.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/09/26/these-charts-show-exactly-how-racist-and-radical-the-alt-right-has-gotten-this-year/

    “These charts show exactly how racist and radical the alt-right has gotten this year” – I love that clickbait style headlines have now made it to the WashPo. Their statistical methodology is also hilarious. In “mainstream” language the word “Jewish” is most often associate with words like “frum” (meaning religious or Orthodox in Yiddish – I didn’t know that this word had made it into general usage at all – do most Americans even know what this means?) but in alt-right forums, the word Jewish is most associated with words like “liberal”. Can you imagine what kind of deplorable Nazi skinhead would accuse American Jews of being liberal?

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    There are, of course, many factions in the alt-right, some of them more radical than others. We observe two primary groups within the alt-right’s extended Twitter network: garden-variety racists, who complain about mixed-race couples, are proud of their Scots-Irish heritage, and use hashtags such as “#WhiteWomenAreMagic,” and violent extremists, who call for genocide against Jews, the killing of Muslims and African Americans, and even threaten to lynch President Obama.
     
    "...are proud of their Scots-Irish heritage..."

    LOL. You keep using that word...

    More seriously, did everyone here know that we have to pick either an anti-miscegenation or a pro-genocide category? I can't decide which I am. Someone please help!!
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  122. MEH 0910 says:

    https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/latest-crime-statistics-released

    Today, the FBI released its annual compilation of crimes reported to its Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program by law enforcement agencies from around the nation. Crime in the United States, 2015 reveals a 3.9 percent increase in the estimated number of violent crimes and a 2.6 percent decrease in the estimated number of property crimes last year when compared to 2014 data.

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  123. Langley says:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber
    It would be nice if some of the Alt-Right personalities could avoid, in public appearances, mentioning Nazis, Jews, "race realism" and all the other crap that undermined paleoconservatism/nationalist populism last time around. Emphasizing topics like fair trade, selective immigration, and non-interventionism is much more convincing than waving around racial IQ tables. "Alt-Right" is a terrible descriptor in the first place, so sounding like a skinhead talking-point machine doesn't do much to persuade people.

    Race and the cultural constructs that spring from it are the basis for “topics like fair trade, selective immigration, and non-interventionism…”

    BTW – are you David P. Goldman?

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  124. Anonym says:
    @Jack D
    If the technology was slightly more advanced, I would swear that was an animatronic robot Hillary. She is so disturbing to look at because she falls within the uncanny valley.

    Scott Adams (who endorsed Trump today, reversing his prior "I fear for my life/livelihood so I'm endorsing Hillary " endorsement) also points to the 50 points ahead video as evidence that something is seriously wrong with her.

    I get the feeling that a lot of committed Democrats would look at that video and not see anything wrong at all. The weirdness is down at the gut level where you can't quite articulate what is "off" but you know that something ain't quite right about her.

    I get the feeling that a lot of committed Democrats would look at that video and not see anything wrong at all. The weirdness is down at the gut level where you can’t quite articulate what is “off” but you know that something ain’t quite right about her.

    Definitely. Even liberal leaners will get that same opinion – I showed it to one. The reason why liberals can stay liberals is they live in a walled garden. Huffpo is not going to show that video, for example.

    There are two things that are off about Hillary. The psychopathic, pathalogical lying bit goes back to birth. But this later bit strikes me as recent and demented. Her brain is failing her. Dementia begins generally as mild cognitive impairment. One hallmark of that and more advanced dementia is the failure to adapt to new information and respond to it appropriately, intelligently and with good judgment. Instead, you get inflexibility. Railing at the camera in this case.

    A debate is one of the most open ended tests of how she will respond, and is a nightmare for both H and her handlers. Trump ought to ask her to expose her ears for the earpiece. The American public deserve more than to elect an animatronic robot.

    Trump has his debating faults, but dementia is not one of them. He is extremely quick on his feet and intelligent. He comes at you in ways that are novel and unexpected. I would not like to be Hillary’s chief handler right now.

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  125. Jack D says:

    The Democrat party and their press wing are pressing Lester Holt to “fact check” Trump live on camera Candy Crowley style. It will be interesting to see if he is a “race man” and follows their wishes. Lauer was almost crucified for NOT doing this -didn’t he get the memo from JournoList? This goes with the narrative that Trump should not be entitled to the normal courtesies as any other candidate because he is Hitler and a notorious liar and you can’t just pretend that Hitler is just another candidate or let his blatant lies go unanswered (Hillary’s lies are OK because she is lying for a good cause). The right thing from their POV would be for Holt to stand up and point to Trump and say, “I hereby denounce Trump and all his works and all his pomps and his worship and his angels and his inventions and all things that are under him. Renuntio! Renuntio! Renuntio! “. This would be Holt’s Walter Cronkite moment which would ensure for himself a place in US history.

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    Far from an abnormal candidate, they'd only have to treat him as poorly as Mitt Romney to butt their silly fact checks in, as you allude.
    , @Jefferson
    "The Democrat party and their press wing are pressing Lester Holt to “fact check” Trump live on camera Candy Crowley style. It will be interesting to see if he is a “race man” and follows their wishes. Lauer was almost crucified for NOT doing this -didn’t he get the memo from JournoList?"

    If Matt Lauer in the future ends up dead under suspicious circumstances like Antonin Scalia and Seth Rich than I'm looking at Crooked Hildabeast.
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  126. Kylie says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    If anybody is planning to listen to the radio, the 50,000 watt "Voice of the West," KOA News Radio (850 AM, 94.1 FM, and available for streaming via iHeartRadio from any device in the world) will be hosting a debate party and I will be live and in the studio as one of their post-debate panelists, doing my best to defend Donald Trump and the Alt-Right.

    I don't really know what the format will be, and in any case this is my radio debut, so please wish me luck. I make no promises about getting a plug in, but if I do, I should like to know the correct pronunciation of Steve's name. Is it just like "sailor" or does it rhyme with "Tyler"?

    Hopefully there will be a link to a podcast I can post later.

    Good luck! I’m sure you will do us credit.

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  127. Trump might say: “Hillary Clinton has pushed the ideology of globalism for more than four decades. Hillary Clinton wants to eliminate the United States as an independent nation-state. Hillary Clinton has done everything in her power to destroy the national sovereignty of the United States.”

    Trump might say: “Globalism is the ideology of national dissolution. Globalization is the specific actions of national governments that destroys nation-state sovereignty. Hillary Clinton wants to destroy the United States of America by shifting power to transnational entities. I will defend and protect the independence and sovereignty of the United States of America.”

    Trump might say: “Hillary Clinton fully supports open borders mass immigration. Mass immigration is destroying cultural and social cohesion in the United States of America. Hillary Clinton fully supports sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams that gives transnational bureaucrats the power to make vital decisions for the United States of America. I will take back the power handed over to transnational bureaucrats and bring that power home to the United States. Everything I do will advance the best interests of the people of the United States. Other nations will have to muddle through the best they can. I will put America first.”

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  128. MEH 0910 says:

    Violent crime and murders both went up in 2015, FBI says

    Homicides in the United States went up by more than 10 percent in 2015 over the year before, while violent crime increased by nearly 4 percent in the same period, according to new statistics released by the FBI.

    All told, the country reported its highest estimated violent crime rate in three years, and while these numbers are far below those seen one or two decades earlier, they mark a sharp increase following two years of declines, the FBI reported in a summary of crime statistics made public Monday.

    The long-awaited FBI report was released amid heightened scrutiny of violent crime in the United States, propelled by an increase in homicides in a number of major cities and repeated comments from Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump.

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  129. Lagertha says:
    @iSteveFan

    But what point do Hillary and her supporters imagine they are scoring here?
     
    They are trying to say he lied. He says he was always against Iraq. But they say he was for it. They claim 70% of what he says are either falsehoods or lies. It's all part of the process of trying to paint him as a guy who will say anything to get elected.

    Secondarily, it also serves to not bring up Iraq since Hillary's position is at odds with most democrats, especially Bernie fans. So if they can make the charge of lying about Iraq stick, Trump won't remind Bernie voters that Hillary supported the war.

    And, seriously, he was chatting with Howard Stern, for God’s sake! I don’t even think most people know Stern or listen to his show. The entire show should be used as an example of why “proving, ” like petulant children that Trump lied, is gonna backfire: anyone says anything (especially Howard) to get a laugh or “out-outrage” the guest, and talk about chicks is constant. In fact, just like Trump said O is a citizen, he can say, “yeah, so what?” if the idea of “he was for Iraq,” comes up. Howard would actually love that and it would be good for his ratings. Howard’s shtick is not NPR nor serious policy wonkyness. Howard Stern is a provocateur who has a potty-mouth. He’s extremely funny but he is loyally un-PC. I could never listen to the HS Show if my parents were in the car with me!

    Bernie Bros need to have the mystery – hidden emails/Wall St/endless war-nuclear war drummed into them to scare them off of their smart-phone-in-hand-asses, and realize that their butts would be conscripted in a heartbeat to some godforsaken evil land if Trump is not the leader of the free world. Trump does not want nuclear war…or any more useless, unwinnable wars with societies who must go through their own civil war, reformation, human rights issues, gender issues. The Millennials do not want to deal with icky, backward countries anymore.

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    I think the Bernie followers got the message loud and clear that Hillary is downright evil. Just look at the turnout for her rallies - in the hundreds not thousands. For a supposed top tier presidential candidate who can't even fill a school auditorium is nothing short of a joke.

    And why is this? For starters she's unlikable and secondly because she pissed off one half of the Democratic party base which is the Bernie peeps.

    Here's the thing, the Bernie folks know full well now that Hillary rigged the DNC to shaft Bernie out of the nomination and then bribed him to shut him up. They are pissed and won't vote for Hillary period.
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  130. BB753 says:

    If I were Trump I’d insist on making sure Hillary does not wear an earpiece. Even have a moderator inspect her for any suspicious objects in her ears. If she refuses, I’d pull out of the debate or make public that Hillary is cheating during the debate.

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  131. Marcus says:
    @Lagertha
    Team Hillary is determined to make the debate all about race and gender...because they've got nothing.

    Trump needs to walk into the debate confidently, and diplomatically, and drag everybody into the hot, bloody, rapey landscapes of the Middle East as much as possible. Clinton's numerous failures in Libya, Syria/Iraq is the battlefield, and she can't ignore the utter destruction of civilization in the M.E., it is her record. Her glib (and very sociopathic) comment over the death of Qhadaffi, was grotesque. The colossal mistakes of this administration of arming the wrong rebels, sending weapons to god knows who, drawing "Red Lines," and then screwing them up is just a 'hole lotta sand in peoples mouths and eyes, still. And, when she said to Matt Lauer that she will take the time to "learn from mistakes," (admitting: Iraq War epic-fail) the 5000+ soldier deaths, and 120,000 maimed/TBI/burned soldiers, must be beaten into her brain with a cudgel of words, relentlessly. I mean, I was horrified how the Vietnam vets came to realize they were in a bullsh*t war that everyone thought was a waste.

    She can not be allowed to pivot from the Middle East; that's the tarbaby that she owns. And, she knows the American people are sick of the Middle East....so she will claw her way back to talking about race or gender. Of course, the targeted killing of cops is an inconvenient detail in her push to make the people "who cling to their guns and religion" appear like bigots and that Trump is their Hitler. Sh*t if anyone even brings up Hitler tonight, take a shot of vodka, or Fireball!

    Bringing up gender, specifically women, is just moronic. If she goes there, she must answer to the slavery of women by ISIS creeps/Boko Haram etc.; women being beat-up in Turkey for wearing shorts; Trump supporters being pelted with eggs, bottles, being hit; white women being attacked in NC last night, gays being thrown off of roofs in the Middle East cities, etc., etc., etc. Muslim women do not have agency in the Middle East - yet she can't find the words to refute this. I doubt any Muslim countries will respect her anyway....even Erdogan's wife said women belong in the kitchen, I suppose baking those infamous cookies that she mocked decades ago!

    This election is about war, endless war, the massive migrant crisis and USA's own major Immigration ( including the LEP - Limited English Proficiency/ "unaccompanied minors" that are killing the educational budgets in states like NC) problem. How did those children's parents get word from their governments and ours, anyway, to stick them on that train to the Mexican border! This needs to come up because of the catastrophic budget crises in public schools in many states being forced to deal with these, often, illiterate, traumatized children. Just look up the southern schools especially, who are dealing with this. What about helping those nice lady teachers? The taxpayers who must pay for thousands of children not their own?

    The breakdown of EU & USA with citizens of all Western countries being completely, and indefinitely polarized is the major thing. Brexit happened. There is hate in the air, and no one believes in Stronger Together. That sounds like a banner at a youth church convention, anyway. This is no longer a PC world. PC killed 5000+ soldiers. And, unlucky for Democrats, most of those soldiers come from the land between the elitist coasts....the people with families who have been relentlessly mocked (by the MSM) for a full year, now. It's a funny thing, but condescending to people or calling them bigots, without any proof, doesn't make them like you.

    If she tries to make the debate about race and gender in this country, than she has no right to be the president. The world politics/war politics, and breakdown in society in failed states, and the failure of nations to look after their own citizens first, is now on the mind of all citizens who worry that 15 years after 9/11, we continue to have Jihadi terrorist assaults on innocent citizens, world-wide, while Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, etc., are in ruins. The economic health of all countries is very ominous...there is 1% or less growth, and Fed doesn't have the guts to raise the interest rates because they know exactly what would happen if done before this election.

    People are worried about the future of their children. Therefore, to polarize people further with racial issues, BLM, turning your back on the American flag, or whether there are enough women coders, CEO's is not as important as continual attacks by Jihadis or nuclear war with Russia. Trump needs to drag the debate back to the Middle East and immigration constantly. She was epic-fail there, and it should haunt her. Her low-affect stance on the important stuff is really scary. Wouldn't it be cool if Anonymous hacked into any earpiece that she may have? It would be SOOO "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo."

    But, team Clinton will try to remove the Scooby-Doo mask of Trump tonight, and all days, by trying to expose him as a bigot and sexist. Ergo, since Clinton has failed in the Middle East, she is going to try to makes this debate all about domestic issues...which, in the long run are connected to our foreign policy nightmare. I want to hear about ending the chaos of the Middle East; ending war, getting the heck out of that part of the world, no war with Putin, exclusively. Nothing else matters. Truly, if we do not have a country, have candidates that are so blinded by the useless idea of Globalism, the steady march towards cultural Marxism together with PC mandates evolving into an authoritarian govt with "Progressive" elites in power, we are doomed. Make America Great Again.

    Lol a few weeks ago someone made a photoshop of idiot feminist Jessica Valenti wearing a Trump hat with a quote “Trump’s immigration policy will keep rape culture out of the US” or something.

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  132. @Steve Sailer

    I should like to know the correct pronunciation of Steve’s name. Is it just like “sailor” or does it rhyme with “Tyler”?
     
    Pretty much like sail-or, although I just say sail-er or say-ler. Now that I think about it, I should ask some relatives whether the syllable break should fall before or after the L.

    I've been told that people in the German speaking countries say Syl-er (or Sy-ler).

    Connecticut Famer is about right with “zyler” though in Switzerland there are some who’d use a rolled r at the end. Shouldn’t matter as you’re American anyway:

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  134. Hardinge says:

    Of the 100,000,000 watching the debate 80,000,000 will be doing so just to see if Hillary has some kind of fit about halfway through it.

    The only question is, will it be her eyes pointing in opposite directions, a coughing attack, her head flopping back and forth in slow motion woodpecker fashion, or simply passing out and collapsing to the floor.

    I’m hoping for the head flop.

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  135. @Jack D
    If the technology was slightly more advanced, I would swear that was an animatronic robot Hillary. She is so disturbing to look at because she falls within the uncanny valley.

    Scott Adams (who endorsed Trump today, reversing his prior "I fear for my life/livelihood so I'm endorsing Hillary " endorsement) also points to the 50 points ahead video as evidence that something is seriously wrong with her.

    I get the feeling that a lot of committed Democrats would look at that video and not see anything wrong at all. The weirdness is down at the gut level where you can't quite articulate what is "off" but you know that something ain't quite right about her.

    Yeah, she strikes me as generally coming across the way Al Gore did in his debate performances–desperately trying to find a manner that seems vaguely human, but wildly careening between being bizarrely under-energized and bizarrely intense.

    It’s like she keeps failing the Turing Test, and badly. It’s just too easy to see she’s not really human.

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  136. @TangoMan
    I don't like that I'm seeing reports that Trump is not preparing for this debate.

    Deception. Misdirection. Head fakes.

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  137. Venator says:
    @Cromwellforever
    Dropping acid for the first time in anticipation of the debate. I'm hoping Trump will transfigure before my eyes into an exarch.

    How much?

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  138. As long as Trump does not punch her ugly face, he wins.

    He knows TV and he is comfortable in front of the cameras whereas Hillary is an elderly harridan who has reached her peak of voters and can only lose some of those in the “debate.” Her likability matches that of Molly Yard (and I mean Molly dead).

    Of course one must be prepared to read the news that she “won” the debate but that will be as believable as the polls showing her leading.

    This election has been over for a long time

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  139. Lagertha says:

    One more thing: Hillary is desperate for the Millennials. She will go full-throttle into trying to shame Trump about GCC. If Trump’s advisors have not told him how to cleverly deflect this bullet, he needs to say that he will call together the leading scientists and economists to see how best to begin the long process of dealing with the environment and distressed oceans. And, that this would include analyzing our current energy policies, and how new and innovative energy technology can be improved, new methods developed, since completely giving up oil/coal/gas can not be done immediately. This last sentence, that it is not possible to move from ff to green/alternative energy as quickly as “progressives” claim, is what scientists and economists world-wide have admitted. There’s no way in hell that China is moved by GCC issues….but they are busy trying to take over the solar panel/windmill buiz.

    I mean, Trump looks out the window and sees windmills today…there would not be windmills everywhere these days if everyone, including Trump, thought that Climate Change is bunk. He has to word his response carefully so as to not give Clinton the satisfaction of trapping him into being the big bad climate change denier. It is totally fair to say that it is a good idea to explore all alternative energy potential sources since it creates jobs as well. They wanna label him anti-CC to swing the Millennials to her. But, he could use the idea of climate and energy as a new economic (jobs) sector…and mention his interest to make Hvac and all appliances even more energy efficient as possible. His developer background should be handy. Tons of jobs in increasing new energy sources to revive/create a yuge manufacturing sector.

    Also, I just heard the annoying NPR peg Trump as “the former reality show host”, not real estate developer…man, they can’t help themselves, can they?

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  140. Zach says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Ms. Clinton will sew up the presidency tonight. Once Trump is embarrassed on national tv, we should expect a landslide.

    Clinton will dominate.

    Clinton supporters=Blacks, Muslims, Asians, Jews, homosexuals, women

    Trump supporters=white men

    One side is the future. One side is for racists.

    You guys are going down.

    No “racism” in the future? If the Chinese dominate the world in this century, they won’t be racists? You long for a world in which whites are powerless and think that world won’t be racist? You have a rich imagination.

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  141. You know, we are hard on Bill Clinton but maybe he knew his wife was going to push the US into a bloody civil war and nudged Trump into running in order to try and save America, knowing only a billionaire who gives zero shits could blast through the Narrative?

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    HaHa! Bill knows that if everything becomes PC and the public will be watched on the internet and smart phones, it will be impossible for he and his binders full of women to spend the weekend at some "bunny ranch." His "tailblazing" will be over. PC people suck the joy out of everything.
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  142. @ic1000
    The first ten seconds of that YouTube video is should be devastating to Clinton. Perhaps if more voters understood the context.

    Longstanding Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi sponsored anti-American terrorism. But in the wake of 9/11 and the Iraq War, he reconciled with the West -- renouncing terrorism, paying billions in indemnities, decommissioning weapons programs, and opposing al-Qaeda.

    Gaddafi's reward for changing sides was to have the US and Britain support the Islamist rebels who challenged him. After his capture, rebels tortured, raped, and summarily executed Gaddaffi.

    These are the events that so tickled Secretary of State Clinton in the video ("We came, we saw, he died").

    Libyans must find the subsequent collapse of their country into a Failed State to be a real side-splitter. Shootouts between al-Qaeda and Islamic State militias surely add to the revelry.

    Heck of a job, Hillary!

    In a sane and healthy nation, this alone should have prevented her from even getting the nomination.

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    Yeah, reading the NYT article on her decision to attack Libya (so it wouldn't look bad for Presidential purposes, just like her vote to go to war in Iraq) made it impossible for me to vote for her, ever.
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  143. FroJo says:
    @larry lurker
    OT: Washington Post: the alt-right is going to kill you:

    But lurking behind the offensive tweets and racially charged campaign rhetoric, there’s a more subtle — and far more dangerous — potential threat posed by the alt-right. As my colleagues and I found during a large-scale analysis of alt-right Twitter activity over the past nine months, the movement is growing measurably more radical, and possibly more inclined to violence.
     

    Only if you don’t like what they tell you to believe in.

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  144. Zach says:

    Seems to be a problem with the comment section. Are other people getting pictures of roulette wheels with this written beneath : EXPOSED: How To Become Slots Millionaire

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  145. It appears that tedious Issues!-Issues!-Issues! analyses here overlook telegenics.

    Let’s look at the history of electoral telegenics:

    - Ike-Stevenson: pre-debate era, yet on TV Stevenson came across as a limp, 96-pound egghead weakling completely overshadowed by Ike’s ramrod-back solidity and supremely telegenic wide-open trademark grin

    - JFK-Nixon: we’re all well-acquainted with the telegenic disparity here – only the radio audience rated Nixon on word-substance a clear victor, but the TV audience went almost totus porcus for Kennedy glam

    - LBJ-Goldwater: Goldwater’s eyeglasses were overwhelmingly non-telegenic, and, in non-telegenics LBJ also held the enormous – and unique – advantage of possession of the dead JFK’s sympathy factor which Goldwater’s JFK administration outsiderhood lacked utterly

    - Nixon-Humphrey: Humphrey’s baldness and his shrill, lecturing voice were not only non-telegenic, they were anti-telegenic

    - Nixon-McGovern: despite his sterling WWII record, McGovern on TV came across as limp, wishy-washy

    - Ford-Carter: Ford’s receding hairline, stiffness and ponderous dialect were non-telegenic, Carter’s full shock of hair, toothy smile, and honey-dripping voice were perfectly telegenic

    - Carter-Reagan: Reagan was a master of visual media presentation, Carter was not, and his wan, hapless TV image in his lame “malaise” speech had already powerfully repelled voters

    - Reagan-Mondale: same as for the previous election campaign – Fritz had zero telegenics)

    - Bush-Dukakis: Bush’s telegenics were amiable, avuncular; Dukakis came across as a dark-browed, menacing, and skulking inept

    - Bush-Clinton: Clinton’s breezy TV image beat Bush’s aging, thinning visage

    - Clinton-Dole: Dole was another dark-browed face that looked bad on TV, and his running mate Kemp had zero telegenic worth

    - Bush-Gore: Bush played every telegenic card in the book; Gore came across on TV as something of a wet-behind-the-ears bumbler

    - Bush-Kerry: again, Bush held all the telegenic cards over the cadaverous, ponderous, lethally boring Kerry

    - McCain-Obama: the young Obama was superlatively telegenic and he also played to perfection the Magic Negro upon whom white liberals love to project their fantasy of a civilized, smart black; McCain just looked ancient, desiccated

    - Obama-Romney: again, the youthful-looking Obama’s telegenics beat the severe, 1950′s wethead-haircut, darker-browed, stiff Romney’s anti-telegenics

    - Trump-Clinton: Mr. Trump holds all the telegenic aces; Hillary looks dumpy, ancient, flyblown, ill, tremulous-cum-animatronic, and her vocal dimension is shrill, harsh, severely nunnish, and the more makeup she wears, the more she comes visually across as being phony and held together by chewing gum and safety pins

    If it’s all about telegenics, then Mr. Trump looks like tonight’s hands-down debate winner – telegenics have nothing to do with the substance of a candidate’s platform or experience, or even with what a candidate actually says (this is where the opinion of the 1960 radio audience is telling, polling Nixon as the clear winner on words spoken, not on televised image); telegenics has everything to do with how the audience feels about and responds to a televised image.

    Also, Mr. Trump is bigger and taller than Hillary, and in telegenics bigger & taller count as two aces. There are reports that Hillary has asked for a footstool, concealed behind her podium, for her to stand on to make her look taller than she is and less short than Mr. Trump, so we know that Hillary’s media team understands telegenics and fears rightly that in every aspect of telegenics, Hillary is the disastrous clear loser to Mr. Trump’s superlative telegenics.

    Mr. Trump is also much more animated – and far more relaxed in animation/dynamics in the camera’ eye, which forms another telegenics ace (Reagan’s ace) for him over Mrs. Clinton. Hillary on camera is stiff, scripted, almost diabolically vengeful female-Mussolini looking, like the Angel of Death, and comes across as the world’s most insufferable blowhard buddinsky mother in-law.

    One thing you can bet on: from tonight’s post-debate Enemedia-Pravda’s talking head “analysts” you will hear little, if any, analysis of the two candidates relative telegenics or lack thereof – they will instead prate monotonously about race, gender, “unifying vs. dividing,” and they’ll avoid all the actual core Big Sellout issues of immigration, trade, and Invade The World. The overwhelmingly in-the-tank-for-Hillary media-”professional/expert” talking heads will avoid mention of telegenics because they know very well that in telegenics Mr. Trump holds all the aces.

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    And, because fashion is important to me ( I know, shallow, but I don't care!) I would like to see Trump wear an Augusta green tie tonight in honor of Arnold Palmer. He could simultaneously joke that, "he's looking into the whole green thing."

    Also, if Hillary hits with "your taxes," he hits back with "your e-mails," or transcripts from GS speeches.

    if she hits with BLM matter stuff, he hits back with Sheriff Clarke's comments and last night's white women attacked by NC protestors...or the extreme inanity and tragedy of one protester killing another one with a gun several nights ago in NC.

    if she hits with he has no international experience, he hits back with ME is a mess on her watch and command.

    if she hits with Trump U, any of his businesses, he hits back with why is CF registered in Canada, and why did it never send the money to Haiti that they promised!?!

    deflect, deflect, deflect and say great jokes, keep a Cheshire Cat grin the whole time...with a nice Augusta Green silk tie, make it a RLP tie. Call Howard Stern for some jokes!

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  146. anon says: • Disclaimer

    I don’t really have anything to add, except that all the comments on the articles about the U of I shooter in the local News-Gazette are closed.

    The University has a brand-new black chancellor. The shooting occurred on his first night in town. Perhaps this is some kind of omen.

    Also, there’s a great caption of him in this article: http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2016-09-26/ui-chancellor-shootings-very-very-saddened-it.html

    Photo by: Rick Danzl/The News-Gazette
    Robert Jones moves the chair at his desk to gt to his computer in his office at Swanlund Administration Building Monday, September 26, 2016.

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  147. rod1963 says:
    @Lagertha
    And, seriously, he was chatting with Howard Stern, for God's sake! I don't even think most people know Stern or listen to his show. The entire show should be used as an example of why "proving, " like petulant children that Trump lied, is gonna backfire: anyone says anything (especially Howard) to get a laugh or "out-outrage" the guest, and talk about chicks is constant. In fact, just like Trump said O is a citizen, he can say, "yeah, so what?" if the idea of "he was for Iraq," comes up. Howard would actually love that and it would be good for his ratings. Howard's shtick is not NPR nor serious policy wonkyness. Howard Stern is a provocateur who has a potty-mouth. He's extremely funny but he is loyally un-PC. I could never listen to the HS Show if my parents were in the car with me!

    Bernie Bros need to have the mystery - hidden emails/Wall St/endless war-nuclear war drummed into them to scare them off of their smart-phone-in-hand-asses, and realize that their butts would be conscripted in a heartbeat to some godforsaken evil land if Trump is not the leader of the free world. Trump does not want nuclear war...or any more useless, unwinnable wars with societies who must go through their own civil war, reformation, human rights issues, gender issues. The Millennials do not want to deal with icky, backward countries anymore.

    I think the Bernie followers got the message loud and clear that Hillary is downright evil. Just look at the turnout for her rallies – in the hundreds not thousands. For a supposed top tier presidential candidate who can’t even fill a school auditorium is nothing short of a joke.

    And why is this? For starters she’s unlikable and secondly because she pissed off one half of the Democratic party base which is the Bernie peeps.

    Here’s the thing, the Bernie folks know full well now that Hillary rigged the DNC to shaft Bernie out of the nomination and then bribed him to shut him up. They are pissed and won’t vote for Hillary period.

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    plus, she would continue O's wishes to allow ICANN to be "shared", so the internet is no longer controlled by the U.S. It can, potentially, be hijacked and censored by all kinds of international actors. The internet remaining free is an obsession with Millennials....well, the really smart tech-oriented ones. DARPA a few years ago, was another intense thing for this group. Boomers don't understand that Snowden and Assange are heroes for liberty...Guy Fawkesian characters, for Millennials.

    OT: Clinton is also hemmed in by Obama wanting his legacy; so, the about face with the TPP will be interesting for her to defend. Obama is all in with TPP, and she is supposedly now waffling.

    OT: Melania Trump would be the first FLOTUS of a former Soviet controlled nation. She is a cover girl for "good" immigrants. She is by far, the most beautiful, possible FLOTUS. I don't think she will be in the debate seats because I think she must remain careful with appearances, and, doesn't want her son exposed to crazy people who despise Trump - plus, like all good mothers, they know how important autumn is for school. People are so virulently ready to attack Trump supporters, that it is indeed, dangerous to be confronted by mobs of these rabble.
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  148. Thea says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Yeah, I agree with other commenter. Show the link of the last time Hillary debated. What was that, about ten yrs ago when she was in better health?

    Also, the medium of television is not very kind to Hillary. It's not what is said, its the way it looks and how its said. Let's say you're right, and Hillary is mopping the floor with the Donald on the details of policy. And then all of a sudden....she falls down. Or she coughs for about thirty seconds. How does that look on live television in front of 100 million people? Looks like an old decrepit woman in poor failing health. Why would undecideds vote for someone who might not last the first year of her first term? Also, Hillary isn't the best at ad libbing or wandering off the script by making off the cuff remarks the way Trump is a master. She could easily get distracted and wander off and look foolish.

    Remember: Trump had to dispose of 16 other GOP candidates in numerous live televised debates, where he was the oldest candidate on the stage. This can't be repeated enough: He fairly easily disposed of "lower engergy" Rubio and Cruz, who are young enough to be his kids. If they couldn't keep up with him, certainly he can handle someone like Hillary, who had fewer debates and could barely keep up with 75 yr old Sanders.

    To be fair he used Christie to dispense with Rubio in classic attack dog style.

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    Let' dispel once and for all with this fiction that Trump doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing. Trump, in cahoots with Christie, did a presciently perfect job of predicting the Marco Roboto glitch.
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  149. res says:
    @AndrewR
    Why didnt she go to the manager before making a big deal on social media? Screw her.

    Well, if you had actually read the article you would have seen the reference to this in the social media post

    Walmart refused to honor her request due to it being “racist.” Three separate people in management denied her request for this reason.

    at https://www.facebook.com/taylor.wilkes.735/posts/1839762022923775

    and also have understood that the social media post above was made by a friend–not her.

    Way to be both completely wrong and obnoxious at the same time.

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    I read the article twice. The one Ram Z Paul linked to. Sorry for not scouring the web for what Your Majesty happened to read. So screw the Macon reporter for omitting that info. Sorry for triggering you.
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  150. res says:
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    [1] If the debate participants are allowed to ask questions of each other, Trump has a wide selection of questions that reporters have never asked Hillary.

    [2] Trump can publicly call upon those who attended any of Hillary's three Goldman Sachs speeches (the dates and venues are known) to make public the highlights of the Hillary's speeches. (They took notes, didn't they?) If those GS people who attended the speeches are prohibited from revealing what they learned, that fact would be interesting too.

    [1] If the debate participants are allowed to ask questions of each other, Trump has a wide selection of questions that reporters have never asked Hillary.

    Which is why I think we will be able to rely on the moderator making sure the participants don’t go “off topic”. It will be interesting to see how much back and forth is permitted.

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  151. @415 reasons
    What the hell is a house bro?

    I am glad you asked. House-bros are a “thing” : modern men who stay at home while their women work. Men have fooled women into thinking work was fun and this is the result. Now feminists are complaining.

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    The Concerning Rise of the House Bro ...A new study quantifies the growing trend of stay at home dude-bros. ...are they taking advantage of feminism's promise? [italics mine]
     
    That's hilarious. I remember back in the 90's this was called "Stay at home Dads" and was egged on by feminists. I tried dating a few girls that actually confronted me with the question what did I think about some men's choice to be stay at home fathers and let their women be primary providers as if the right answer was for me to declare my allegiance to these modern and enlightened men. Now that women don't like it these men are called "dude-bros" (I guess they would've been detestable "Brogrammers" had they not been leaching off of their women at home).

    Often, I find myself thinking of this quote: "[Ditzy Woman] How do you write women so well? [Jack Nicholson] I think of a man and I take away Reason and Accountability."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNKIjLLZMWs

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  152. @Steve Sailer

    I should like to know the correct pronunciation of Steve’s name. Is it just like “sailor” or does it rhyme with “Tyler”?
     
    Pretty much like sail-or, although I just say sail-er or say-ler. Now that I think about it, I should ask some relatives whether the syllable break should fall before or after the L.

    I've been told that people in the German speaking countries say Syl-er (or maybe Sy-ler). Here's a magazine article saying the most famous Sailer, Austrian ski champion Toni Sailer, is pronounced Sy-lor:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=stYBeisv0aMC&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=pronounce+toni+sailer&source=bl&ots=aoURhYT0UU&sig=f-Et7TDL1xTFKHu2jJPIRQTtRyw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiko4LE2azPAhUk04MKHcuEDUQQ6AEIMDAD#v=onepage&q=pronounce%20toni%20sailer&f=false

    I’ve been told that people in the German speaking countries say Syl-er (or maybe Sy-ler). Here’s a magazine article saying the most famous Sailer, Austrian ski champion Toni Sailer, is pronounced Sy-lor:

    English had the vowel shift 500+ years ago … and i don’t think we’re going back.

    I think you’re stuck with being Steve Say*ler here in the USofA.

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  153. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Hillary’s got to be figuring the Law of Averages has to finally be on her side with the next bad guy after such a long run of bad luck.

    OK, so now it turns out that the Indian guy who shot all those people in Houston was wearing a Nazi uniform.

    Jesus Christ, Steve. You have to be careful with the meme magic.

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    Sounds fishy. What's an "antique Nazi uniform"?
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  154. Lagertha says:
    @Auntie Analogue
    It appears that tedious Issues!-Issues!-Issues! analyses here overlook telegenics.

    Let's look at the history of electoral telegenics:

    - Ike-Stevenson: pre-debate era, yet on TV Stevenson came across as a limp, 96-pound egghead weakling completely overshadowed by Ike's ramrod-back solidity and supremely telegenic wide-open trademark grin

    - JFK-Nixon: we're all well-acquainted with the telegenic disparity here - only the radio audience rated Nixon on word-substance a clear victor, but the TV audience went almost totus porcus for Kennedy glam

    - LBJ-Goldwater: Goldwater's eyeglasses were overwhelmingly non-telegenic, and, in non-telegenics LBJ also held the enormous - and unique - advantage of possession of the dead JFK's sympathy factor which Goldwater's JFK administration outsiderhood lacked utterly

    - Nixon-Humphrey: Humphrey's baldness and his shrill, lecturing voice were not only non-telegenic, they were anti-telegenic

    - Nixon-McGovern: despite his sterling WWII record, McGovern on TV came across as limp, wishy-washy

    - Ford-Carter: Ford's receding hairline, stiffness and ponderous dialect were non-telegenic, Carter's full shock of hair, toothy smile, and honey-dripping voice were perfectly telegenic

    - Carter-Reagan: Reagan was a master of visual media presentation, Carter was not, and his wan, hapless TV image in his lame "malaise" speech had already powerfully repelled voters

    - Reagan-Mondale: same as for the previous election campaign - Fritz had zero telegenics)

    - Bush-Dukakis: Bush's telegenics were amiable, avuncular; Dukakis came across as a dark-browed, menacing, and skulking inept

    - Bush-Clinton: Clinton's breezy TV image beat Bush's aging, thinning visage

    - Clinton-Dole: Dole was another dark-browed face that looked bad on TV, and his running mate Kemp had zero telegenic worth

    - Bush-Gore: Bush played every telegenic card in the book; Gore came across on TV as something of a wet-behind-the-ears bumbler

    - Bush-Kerry: again, Bush held all the telegenic cards over the cadaverous, ponderous, lethally boring Kerry

    - McCain-Obama: the young Obama was superlatively telegenic and he also played to perfection the Magic Negro upon whom white liberals love to project their fantasy of a civilized, smart black; McCain just looked ancient, desiccated

    - Obama-Romney: again, the youthful-looking Obama's telegenics beat the severe, 1950's wethead-haircut, darker-browed, stiff Romney's anti-telegenics

    - Trump-Clinton: Mr. Trump holds all the telegenic aces; Hillary looks dumpy, ancient, flyblown, ill, tremulous-cum-animatronic, and her vocal dimension is shrill, harsh, severely nunnish, and the more makeup she wears, the more she comes visually across as being phony and held together by chewing gum and safety pins


    If it's all about telegenics, then Mr. Trump looks like tonight's hands-down debate winner - telegenics have nothing to do with the substance of a candidate's platform or experience, or even with what a candidate actually says (this is where the opinion of the 1960 radio audience is telling, polling Nixon as the clear winner on words spoken, not on televised image); telegenics has everything to do with how the audience feels about and responds to a televised image.

    Also, Mr. Trump is bigger and taller than Hillary, and in telegenics bigger & taller count as two aces. There are reports that Hillary has asked for a footstool, concealed behind her podium, for her to stand on to make her look taller than she is and less short than Mr. Trump, so we know that Hillary's media team understands telegenics and fears rightly that in every aspect of telegenics, Hillary is the disastrous clear loser to Mr. Trump's superlative telegenics.

    Mr. Trump is also much more animated - and far more relaxed in animation/dynamics in the camera' eye, which forms another telegenics ace (Reagan's ace) for him over Mrs. Clinton. Hillary on camera is stiff, scripted, almost diabolically vengeful female-Mussolini looking, like the Angel of Death, and comes across as the world's most insufferable blowhard buddinsky mother in-law.

    One thing you can bet on: from tonight's post-debate Enemedia-Pravda's talking head "analysts" you will hear little, if any, analysis of the two candidates relative telegenics or lack thereof - they will instead prate monotonously about race, gender, "unifying vs. dividing," and they'll avoid all the actual core Big Sellout issues of immigration, trade, and Invade The World. The overwhelmingly in-the-tank-for-Hillary media-"professional/expert" talking heads will avoid mention of telegenics because they know very well that in telegenics Mr. Trump holds all the aces.

    And, because fashion is important to me ( I know, shallow, but I don’t care!) I would like to see Trump wear an Augusta green tie tonight in honor of Arnold Palmer. He could simultaneously joke that, “he’s looking into the whole green thing.”

    Also, if Hillary hits with “your taxes,” he hits back with “your e-mails,” or transcripts from GS speeches.

    if she hits with BLM matter stuff, he hits back with Sheriff Clarke’s comments and last night’s white women attacked by NC protestors…or the extreme inanity and tragedy of one protester killing another one with a gun several nights ago in NC.

    if she hits with he has no international experience, he hits back with ME is a mess on her watch and command.

    if she hits with Trump U, any of his businesses, he hits back with why is CF registered in Canada, and why did it never send the money to Haiti that they promised!?!

    deflect, deflect, deflect and say great jokes, keep a Cheshire Cat grin the whole time…with a nice Augusta Green silk tie, make it a RLP tie. Call Howard Stern for some jokes!

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  155. @AnonAnon
    I'm kind of hoping for one of the train-wreck Hillarys to show up - left eye wandering around on its own Hillary; bug-eyed, yelling-too-loud "why am I not 50 points ahead" harridan Hillary; low energy, clueless-grandma Between-Two-Ferns Hillary, all culminating in a debate-ending 9-11 collapse. I'm getting my popcorn ready.

    Heck yeah! Imagine all of the evil she has perpetuated throughout her life coming back onto her tonight. I could imagine actual horns sprouting from her skull this evening.

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  156. Langley says:

    Trump was with the WWF:

    He is a master of reality TV.

    We should get a betting pool together at isteve (Steve can hold the money and take a cut).

    I will give even money that during tonight’s debate Trump runs into the audience, grabs a folding chair and hits Hillary over the head with it!

    Any takers?

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  157. @Lot
    Hillary will probably win the debate, but the media will declare Trump the winner because they want a real horserace and to raise expectations for Debate II.

    Sure the media wants Trump to lose the election, but they want it close and interesting too.

    Hillary will probably win the debate, but the media will declare Trump the winner because they want a real horserace and to raise expectations for Debate II.

    Lot, pass that joint over here.

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    Lot, pass that joint over here.
     
    We'll have a legal joint here in California after the election. The "recreational marijuana" initiative is polling 60-40 or better to pass lately. Meet up in Balboa Park at the Race Road and Privilege Place sign in Steve's sidebar photo, then head to the hippie drum circle by World Beat Cultural Center.
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  158. @epebble
    All those issues you mention make excellent debating points; but I think the negative impact of NAFTA has been greatly exaggerated. The true murder of American economy started after the PNTR bill was signed on October 10, 2000; https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/106/hr4444

    That is the date, if a date is needed, to mark when America started on the downward path to perdition. I believe it is impossible to extricate out of it now without extremely high costs that no politician will be brave enough to try.

    Though it is politically expedient to pin it on Bill Clinton, the real murderer of USA is a republican by name Bill Archer, Representative for Texas's 7th congressional district. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Reynolds_Archer_Jr.

    Pat Buchanan was against granting China Permanent Normal Trade Relations(PNTR) — PNTR is the new name for what was called Most Favored Nation trade status. Since the end of the Cold War, Pat Buchanan has been the man who has been more right about more things than anybody else. Buchanan was right about mass immigration, trade deal scams, the need for an America First foreign policy and the impending multicultural implosion of European Christian nations. Trump would be wise to bring up the disastrous results of granting China PNTR in tonight’s debate.

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  159. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    What do I think? I sold most of my assets in the stock market today. If Hillary loses the debate, she’ll tank the market. The investor class supports her. If she wins, that doesn’t help because too much bad economic news was posted today that will be having its messy fallout in the next few months.

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  160. 1. Hilary will perhaps have an earpiece telling her how to zing back at Trump.

    2. Hillary will have had advanced access to all the questions, like in the dem debates. Trump, if he’s very intelligent will not only assume it but check her king pulling her off script by rapidly pumping clarification shivs or questions during her canned responses. Or even more audaciously, pointing out the bias of the media and accusing them of feeding her the answers. There was an episode in one of the Republican debates, which I’ve never seen in my life, even in movies, where he as a candidate broke the 4th wall: He literally started attacking the the shill audience and crony moderators. It was the greatest spectacle I’ve ever seen in politics.

    3. Hilary/deep state will have wiretapped trumps camp for their prep. The great thing about trump is that he thinks on his feet though and doesnt need canned material so Hilary can’t even prep too much even with full transparency on his training.

    4. I imagine they’ve thought about poisoning Trump to make him sluggish and tired. He has to be careful what he eats and drinks. They might want him to look sick to cancel out hilary actually being sick.

    5. The audience will be another factor I can’t predict.

    6. Lester Holt will ask a “MAGIC NEGRO: WHY POLICE KILLING US BLACKS” question. Trump has to respond with sincerity and show he is above race.

    7. Hilary will be heavily drugged. They have the best doctors trying to optimise the correct levels of levo-dopa, clonazepam, nootropics and such…it will be a spectacle because there’s a fair to high probability the contraindication of the meds will cause very weird things to happen.

    8. Media will report a win for Hilary and point out assiduously all the “dog whistling”. They will also doctor post debate polls to show Hillary won. No way to respond except check the media within the debate and call them biased. Repeatedly.

    9. Checkmate will be achieved in perception. Trump needs to be calm but talk about tawdry, racy and emotional topics all night to make hr unhinged. In a calm manner. Crime. Riots. Terrorism. Gays being butchered by muslims.

    10. Lester might bring up the birther issue I suspect. Trump will chuck the dynamite at hilary. Lester will reframe and say something like “the birther issue reflects on a DARK side of American politics, do you disassociate from the alt right or something along those lines”. The paint is thrown on the suspect. I don’t know how to respond to this, except to reframe it back to say he is of the light.

    11. Trump should NOT attack MAGIC NEGRO MODERATOR. THEY CHOSE HIM BECAUSE THEIR ILLUSION makes negros the most wordly, honourable, humble and morally SUPERIOR men. Do not attack the illusion of many above average to low verbally intelligent people tonight. He is a meat shield for hilary in a sense. Most of the fire should be aimed at “the media” and hilary. Avoid attacking their sacred object.

    12. A wild card is that if Trump is cleaning hilary’s clock, they’ll send in a Sirhan Sirhan to disrupt the event. Some “white nationalist” or something. Very low probability of this though.

    My main concern is Trump is poisoned. We see that a lot in sporting events in rugby, soccer, boxing and so on. He really really has to make sure whatever he eats and drinks leading up to the debate isn’t spiked. If he feels he’s spiked he needs to announce it in the debate maybe.

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  161. Jason Liu says:

    I still find it sickening that news outlets compare patriarchy and nationalism to the entitled whining of victim classes, as though the two positions were equally valid.

    Why would women be so concerned about what happens to a few blacks? That right is there is why female suffrage should be revoked.

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  162. Jason Liu says:
    @TangoMan
    But he risked alienating some women voters over the weekend by threatening to provide a front-row seat at the debate to Ms. Flowers as retaliation to remarks by Mark Cuban, the billionaire who has been a vocal Trump critic.

    What's the connect the dots logic on this one? Is it that women would be offended because Trump makes Clinton feel awkward having to face one of her husband's mistresses and women can relate to this? Does that mean women approve of Hillary's being an enforcer against these women? How about that 12 year old rape victim that Hillary brutalized, do women also approve of that? Or does the writer mean that Hillary's fans would be upset with Trump because he made the event more awkward for Hillary? If the "some women" is simply code for "Hillary supporters" then what does Trump have to lose?

    Some people are concerned about this being a gutter-type tactic, but I'm interested in seeing how Hillary responds to provocation while under the spotlight.

    Why should a society decide its policies based on what women feel offends them? If Trump becomes president, Mark Cuban should have his taxes investigated.

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  163. @TangoMan
    I don't like that I'm seeing reports that Trump is not preparing for this debate.

    You mean like those put out by the establishment RINOs who prepped Romney for his successful presidential campaign four years ago?

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  164. guest says:
    @Jack D
    The Democrat party and their press wing are pressing Lester Holt to "fact check" Trump live on camera Candy Crowley style. It will be interesting to see if he is a "race man" and follows their wishes. Lauer was almost crucified for NOT doing this -didn't he get the memo from JournoList? This goes with the narrative that Trump should not be entitled to the normal courtesies as any other candidate because he is Hitler and a notorious liar and you can't just pretend that Hitler is just another candidate or let his blatant lies go unanswered (Hillary's lies are OK because she is lying for a good cause). The right thing from their POV would be for Holt to stand up and point to Trump and say, "I hereby denounce Trump and all his works and all his pomps and his worship and his angels and his inventions and all things that are under him. Renuntio! Renuntio! Renuntio! ". This would be Holt's Walter Cronkite moment which would ensure for himself a place in US history.

    Far from an abnormal candidate, they’d only have to treat him as poorly as Mitt Romney to butt their silly fact checks in, as you allude.

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  165. Kylie says:
    @Dr. X
    The advantage should be with Trump here. Hillary has been a public figure for 30 years. She's a known commodity. She can't re-invent herself. Her support maxes out very, very low. Nobody's actually for Hillary (except for maybe a few 60-year-old lesbians). She can only win if Trump comes off as unqualified.

    The question is whether Trump can capture undecided voters by not doing or saying something stupid. I think he can do it... the question is, will his naturally obnoxious New York personality get in the way. Potential pitfalls to watch for: a possibly rigged debate with trick questions, possibly rigged moderators, and biased media coverage.

    “Potential pitfalls to watch for: a possibly rigged debate with trick questions, possibly rigged moderators, and biased media coverage.”

    “Possibly”? Are you serious? Those possibilities are certainties, if the Dems have their way.

    I’m hoping for the absolute worst to happen to Hillary.

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  166. Bert says:

    Steve, you wanted a white shooter:

    HOUSTON – The gunman who carried out Monday morning’s shooting that wounded nine people was wearing what appeared to be Nazi paraphernalia, two law enforcement sources told Channel 2 Investigates’ Robert Arnold.

    http://www.click2houston.com/news/large-police-presence-reported-in-southwest-houston

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    The shooter, Nathan DeSai, was a Moslem who's family was from Kuwait.

    Trump turns to Hillary during the debate and says "And you want more of these Moslem, Nazi lawyers to come into our country and shoot hard working Americans! Sad!"

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  167. PSR says:

    I would almost make book that we will hear some variation of “her experience isn’t the question; it’s her horrible judgment” from Trump.

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  168. @Marc
    Mark Cuban is behaving like a yapping little dog nipping at Trump's heel instead of a fellow billionaire. Every time he opens his mouth in regards to this election his stature is diminished.

    80% of the country has no idea who Mark Cuban is, and of the 20% who do, most of them think he’s a jerk.

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    He's the star of a fairly popular network primetime TV show... People know who Mark Cuban is
    , @Jefferson
    "80% of the country has no idea who Mark Cuban is, and of the 20% who do, most of them think he’s a jerk."

    Mark Cuban is one of the most famous billionaires in the world because he does not keep a low profile in the mainstream media like most billionaires do. Mark is not a silent backer behind the scenes type of billionaire.

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  169. Hubbub says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I should like to know the correct pronunciation of Steve’s name. Is it just like “sailor” or does it rhyme with “Tyler”?
     
    Pretty much like sail-or, although I just say sail-er or say-ler. Now that I think about it, I should ask some relatives whether the syllable break should fall before or after the L.

    I've been told that people in the German speaking countries say Syl-er (or maybe Sy-ler). Here's a magazine article saying the most famous Sailer, Austrian ski champion Toni Sailer, is pronounced Sy-lor:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=stYBeisv0aMC&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=pronounce+toni+sailer&source=bl&ots=aoURhYT0UU&sig=f-Et7TDL1xTFKHu2jJPIRQTtRyw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiko4LE2azPAhUk04MKHcuEDUQQ6AEIMDAD#v=onepage&q=pronounce%20toni%20sailer&f=false

    As a rule, in German, ie combination is pronounced with a long e, ei is pronounced with a long i as is ai.

    Hope this helps.

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  170. Ed says:

    The race/gender debate is a Dem loser. It doesn’t energize their base much & it turns off whites.

    Clinton would be better off taking a law & order approach as well to keep more whites from fleeing. I wonder if she mentions “white privilege” tonight? This could be the first time many in the audience have heard it.

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  171. Yngvar says:

    If The Donald gets elected president the hegemonsters will regret that they never invited him to Davos. He would’ve loved it; “My plane is yuuger than yours!”

    Here in Norway the state broadcaster NRK is taking this debate real serious. Ever since twenty-one-one-hundred (9 pm) local time, documentaries and debates are playing non-stop until the real debate start at oh-three (3 am) local.

    This election season have been very entertaining. Thanks America!

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  172. @Jack D
    If the technology was slightly more advanced, I would swear that was an animatronic robot Hillary. She is so disturbing to look at because she falls within the uncanny valley.

    Scott Adams (who endorsed Trump today, reversing his prior "I fear for my life/livelihood so I'm endorsing Hillary " endorsement) also points to the 50 points ahead video as evidence that something is seriously wrong with her.

    I get the feeling that a lot of committed Democrats would look at that video and not see anything wrong at all. The weirdness is down at the gut level where you can't quite articulate what is "off" but you know that something ain't quite right about her.

    Scott Adams is now back on the DJT band wagon, primarily because of the estate tax. http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150919416661/why-i-switched-my-endorsement-from-clinton-to

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  173. LondonBob says:
    @candid_observer
    Just to bring up an odd point, I am surprised by how much energy Hillary's campaign and the media has put into rebutting Trump's claim that he was against the Iraq War. Admittedly, Trump's claim is a little hard to justify based on available evidence from interviews at the time -- he seems to be pretty much on the fence at the time, based on the somewhat contradictory things he had said in public (on the other hand, for a Republican to be other than whole-hog enthusiastic at that time is itself remarkable).

    But what point do Hillary and her supporters imagine they are scoring here? That Trump was as wrong as she was about the Iraq War, and he should stop saying otherwise? How does that make her look good?

    Sometimes you wonder how smart these campaign staff and supporters really are. They get stuck on process, when voters are interested only in product. These staff want to play Inside-Baseball, when a campaign is Outside Baseball.

    Yep it is a puzzler why the left obsesses about that. Pretty clear he did oppose the war, not sure in what language I guess so ranks as an endorsement set against his other statements criticising it. Still making this election about the Iraq is a sure winner for team Clinton, I guess.

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    Yep it is a puzzler why the left obsesses about that.
     
    For those of us "independents" who were protesting against the invasion of Iraq 13 years ago, Trump's opposition (or what sums up to neutrality) is a pretty big selling point. Can't have it be true.
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  174. Trump’s key mission is to seem reasonable\sane\electable.

    Substantively job #1, is to tie immigration to jobs, opportunity and inequality, but also down the road to social conflict. He needs to be prepared for Hillary to quote the namby-pamby nonsense from the NAS immigration report of a week or so back. Hillary will spin this as “immigration is good for you” (which the report in fact does not say). Trump needs to show–i think with specific examples, like construction–that mass immigration hammers earnings prospects of folks not graduating from Yale law school. “If you’re rich … it’s great” and “Not everyone can go to Yale” might be appropriate.

    But the bombings and social conflict–at least to me–seem to make it imperative for Trump to go ahead and wade on into the reality that the Hillary is the one selling division and conflict. That Hillary’s “better together” is a joke. Something like:

    “Hillary and the Democrats, the most nasty and cynical politics i’ve seen, have been out stoking black anger, trying to energize the black vote, by trying to convince blacks the police are out to get them–which despite the occasional police mistakes you have in a nation of 300 million, is simply untrue. This anger that Hillary’s been ginning up, plus the police dialing it back to avoid being the next guy who subjected to being denounced as a racist has given the thugs free reign and driven up the murder rate 15%, plus resulted in about ten assassinations of police, plus riots in Ferguson, Milwaukee and Charlotte. That’s Hillary’s politics. That’s Hillary’s idea of bringing us together”.

    Then the Muslim thing too:

    “For 20 plus years we’ve had Muslim terrorist attacks in the US, from the first World Trade Center bombing, through the Boston marathon, Orlando and these bombings and attempted bombings in New Jersey and New York, including of course the big one 911. After 911 instead of thinking “hey we’ve got a problem”, we radically *increased* Muslim immigration to the US. That’s right you heard right, since 911 we’ve had radically *increased* muslim immigration to the US. While making war in muslim nations. This is insane. Not everyone in the world has the same culture, the same values, the same ideas. Different cultures don’t necessarily get along when they are mixed–they usually do not. Sometimes we’re really better off when different people’s stay in different nations so they don’t get on each other’s nerves.

    Hillary voted for war in Iraq, then had us make war in Libya–selling out our consulate in Benghazi when things went south–then making war in Syria. And now wants to compound our problems by bringing in another 600,000 plus “refugees” from Syria. That’s right 600,000–she’s trying to copy Angela Merkel who has wrecked Germany. That’s Hillary’s strategy–make war over there, then invite anyone displaced over here. Where inevitably some of them, or their kids will make war on us. Invade the World, Invite the World. It’s insane. George Washington advised against precisely Hillary’s policy. Does any American benefit from this? No! Far from bringing us together it means endless conflict here in America–for us, for our children, for our grandchildren.”

    “Hillary offers only more racialized politics, more refugees to bring more diversity and more conflict. Her idea is to just drown America in diversity and conflict. So she and her Goldman Sachs backers can loot as they like, while Americans squabble and fight. That’s not the path to a decent future. The path to a decent future for Americans is that we’re all in this together *as Americans*. We have a border. We have our culture and expect any immigrants to assimilate to it. We all have to obey the same laws. American jobs go to Americans first.”

    That’s the only “unity” that is possible. Hillary offers racial and ethnic tribalism and conflict. I offer patriotism–we’re in this together as Americans.”

    ~~~
    I think if Trump can
    – look sane and reasonable
    – make the economic case on immigration–jobs, fairness to working class folks
    – rip up Hillary’s “forward together”; point out that she’s peddling racialism and conflict, while he is offering the only unity possible–unity as Americans

    then Trump will easily triumph in the debate and go on to reasonably solid–Obama style–victory. If he can only do one or two of those things it will be a squeaker. If he can’t do any of them he’s sure to lose.

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  175. @res
    Any thoughts on the podium kerfuffle?
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/clinton-debate-podium-larger-trump-report-article-1.2805846
    It doesn't make sense to me that Hillary would want a taller podium unless she was allowed to stand on something (which supposedly is not permitted).

    The podium is the platform you stand on. The lectern is that box in front of you that you stand behind. Hillary will stand on a raised podium.

    Trump is about 10 inches taller than Hillary.

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    Thanks for clarifying. If you followed the link I gave it looks like they are talking about a lectern then. Do you have a credible reference for "Hillary will stand on a raised podium"? (I guess we will know soon enough)

    FWIW it looks like some dictionaries use podium to mean multiple things including "lectern": http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/podium
    And here is a post that delves into this in more detail (and confirms your point): http://www.platformgiant.com/podium-vs-lectern/

    , @Lagertha
    I knew they were going to quickly build 2 different height lecterns There are all kinds of ways to make two different objects on a TV set/stage look exactly the same. No stools/podiums are used for lecterns -too risky, and not according to codes anymore. And, they knew doing the split screen would take the camera off of the short squatness of Clinton. The split screen was constantly in play.
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  176. For all the years and election cycles in which our punditry has decried the failure to focus on the issues in the debate and in the election, you can be sure that they won’t be emphasizing it this time around.

    Why? Because it’s on the issues that both their candidate and they are big electoral losers.

    Instead the questions will be: how many flagrant lies did Trump tell? How much of an incompetent blowhard was he?

    No questions for Hillary, just an answer: I can’t believe how healthy she looked! I’m in my thirties/forties/fifties and I should look so healthy! What’s your secret, Hillary!

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  177. ten miles says:

    Houston shooter was a Muslim lawyer. 9 dead. American lawyers dont aim that well, we need moar Muslim lawyers. Get Mr. Kazhir Kahn on phone asap.

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  178. I don’t know how anyone can be undecided in this election, so I have no idea how either candidate could appeal to someone who can’t decide between the two. Trump could show up for the debate falling-down drunk, with his penis hanging out of his pants, and I still wouldn’t vote for Hillary.

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    "I don’t know how anyone can be undecided in this election...."

    People who follow politics forget how little most people follow politics. Most, particularly women, have only a vague sense of what is going on. their opinions are heavily influcenced by ads, friends, mainstream media and general impressions of the candidate.

    Only half the people think Hillary's health is an important issue. That is just one example.
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  179. Travis says:

    Hofstra University has posted a “trigger warning” sign to warn students about the potentially disturbing content that may be discussed during Monday night’s presidential debate.

    a sign inside of the student center at Hofstra reads, “Trigger warning: The event conducted just beyond this sign may contain triggering and/or sensitive material. If you feel triggered, please know there are resources to help you.”

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    oh Lordy, scratch that college off the list!
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  180. res says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    The podium is the platform you stand on. The lectern is that box in front of you that you stand behind. Hillary will stand on a raised podium.

    Trump is about 10 inches taller than Hillary.

    Thanks for clarifying. If you followed the link I gave it looks like they are talking about a lectern then. Do you have a credible reference for “Hillary will stand on a raised podium”? (I guess we will know soon enough)

    FWIW it looks like some dictionaries use podium to mean multiple things including “lectern”: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/podium
    And here is a post that delves into this in more detail (and confirms your point): http://www.platformgiant.com/podium-vs-lectern/

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  181. Jefferson says:
    @Elmer T. Jones
    Can't wait for Salon's inimitable Tuesday morning analysis of the debate WWE-style smackdown. Who's the heel, Donald or Hillary?

    https://employmentgame.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/trumpbrotv.jpg

    “Can’t wait for Salon’s inimitable Tuesday morning analysis of the debate WWE-style smackdown. Who’s the heel, Donald or Hillary?”

    Crooked Hillary is the evil establishment Mr. McMahon and Donald Trump is Stone Cold Steve Austin representing blue collar Whites.

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  182. Dissident says:
    @abner
    I'm really hoping he finds ways to hit her on Libya and Syria. Both because I think it's a good idea, but also because I want a President Trump to be forced by his own words not to allow the DoD/State/CIA to continue their three-headed train wreck until it explodes into something that will be blamed on the new nationalist Republicans.

    I agree.

    I’d go even further, wishing Trump would be as strong on opposition to invade as he has been on opposition to invite. (But can he? Would the donors and controlling elites allow that?)

    And whenever the “Islamophobic” and “racist” cards are thrown at Trump, he should respond by pointing-out that Muslims and Arabs make-up the overwhelming majority of the countless casualties– including children and their mothers– that Hillary Rodham-Clinton bears direct responsibility for.

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    And whenever the “Islamophobic” and “racist” cards are thrown at Trump, he should respond by pointing-out that Muslims and Arabs make-up the overwhelming majority of the countless casualties– including children and their mothers– that Hillary Rodham-Clinton bears direct responsibility for.
     
    That would be a very smart move.
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  183. Whoever says:

    I hope the guy who yells “Pepe!” will be there.

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  184. @Tiny Duck
    Ms. Clinton will sew up the presidency tonight. Once Trump is embarrassed on national tv, we should expect a landslide.

    Clinton will dominate.

    Clinton supporters=Blacks, Muslims, Asians, Jews, homosexuals, women

    Trump supporters=white men

    One side is the future. One side is for racists.

    You guys are going down.

    I know I shouldn’t be responding to a troll, but I just can’t help it.

    Practically none of my liberal friends/acquaintances are going to vote for Hillary. They were all Bernie people, and they see Bernie’s and Hillary’s positions so far apart that they simply can’t bridge that gap. My take on this that they are going to either stay home or vote libertarian (Gary Johnson).

    Here in Seattle you still see zero Hillary bumper stickers (except a few “Hillary for prison 2016″). Most bumper stickers are still Bernie. There are even more Trump stickers than Hillary stickers (well, more than zero isn’t exactly difficult to reach).

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    Personal anecdotes, who your friends are voting for and number of bumper stickers seen mean absolutely nothing.
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  185. This election reminds me of Carter/Reagan 1980.
    Reagan was painted as someone who was dangerous,who might start a nuclear war. Once he was seen in the debates as harmless, ballgame.

    This year people want to be able to vote for Trump. Third terms are rarely won in America. Hillary is unpleasant and yesterday’s news. She appears physically not up to the job. Trump is a TV star. They are attempting to paint him as unfit. That is all they have. Trump’s bar is low.
    He doesn’t have to win on points. Per Scott Adams, he has to show he is a plausible commander-in-chief.
    If he can do this, avoiding the pitfalls of being baited by Hillary and a hostile moderator, he should win a 2016 size Republican landslide.

    I am optimistic he can do this. He has been doing this his whole life. This is just another closing of a big deal. Hillary has never done anything like this in her life.
    The election can be won tonight.

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  186. Speaking of race and gender, gorillas are now haram(be): http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=8171

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  187. Mark F. says:
    @Mark Eugenikos
    I know I shouldn't be responding to a troll, but I just can't help it.

    Practically none of my liberal friends/acquaintances are going to vote for Hillary. They were all Bernie people, and they see Bernie's and Hillary's positions so far apart that they simply can't bridge that gap. My take on this that they are going to either stay home or vote libertarian (Gary Johnson).

    Here in Seattle you still see zero Hillary bumper stickers (except a few "Hillary for prison 2016"). Most bumper stickers are still Bernie. There are even more Trump stickers than Hillary stickers (well, more than zero isn't exactly difficult to reach).

    Personal anecdotes, who your friends are voting for and number of bumper stickers seen mean absolutely nothing.

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    I stated clearly in the first sentence i was replying to a troll. But hey, by your own standards your opinion also means absolutely nothing.
    , @Peripatetic commenter
    Yeah. So true. All those people in Silicon Valley who have not put Hillary bumper stickers on their cars are afraid of having their cars damaged by Trump supporters.
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  188. Pat Casey says:
    @Nico
    I'm not a jurist or a legal professional but it would certainly seem to me that there is a case for zealous advocacy of one's clients as a rule for a more just system overall, even if not every instance finishes "correctly."

    Even so, there is something odd about laughing about such a case later on. One might expect a decent person would be sober and humble about such an undertaking, however necessary. But maybe it's not unlike the different ways in which soldiers of war cope with the reality that they have taken lives.

    In any event, whatever the merits of Clinton's conduct on the case in question, it will not help her candidacy if the general public receives acute reminders that she is a trial attorney, especially at this point.

    But maybe it’s not unlike the different ways in which soldiers of war cope with the reality that they have taken lives.

    That’s a really good point. I’ve listened to the tape, and come to think I think you’re right. She sounds less ghoulish than oblivious to how ghoulish she sounds. A guilty conscience can leave us unawares like that.

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    Maybe that explains her dedication to feminist causes? As some sort of "penance." Of course it would leave her confronted with a contradiction if she is ever forced to respond to the point that one need not do penance for fulfilling a deontological duty.

    For many on the left, however, protection of children from molesters and effective condemnation of these latter trumps every other rule in the book (we could say the same for various sectional "equalities"). I wonder if this has anything to do with guilt over some implicit realization that the ever-expanding franchise and license leftist ideology touts via democratization and the sexual revolution have as their logical conclusion the normalization of what we used to call "corruption of minors"...
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  189. iSteveFan says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Ms. Clinton will sew up the presidency tonight. Once Trump is embarrassed on national tv, we should expect a landslide.

    Clinton will dominate.

    Clinton supporters=Blacks, Muslims, Asians, Jews, homosexuals, women

    Trump supporters=white men

    One side is the future. One side is for racists.

    You guys are going down.

    I don’t understand your objection to racists. Racists have been part of our nation since before its founding. They were there to carve it out of the wilderness. They were there to declare independence. They were there to fight the Revolution. They were there to craft our Constitution. And they have been there since, fighting in all our wars and making advances in our economy. We’re today standing on their shoulders.

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  190. Calling this now on iSteve: The NeverTrump sock puppets here are going to post “CUCK” 8000 times in response to an out of context Trump quote.

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  191. Langley says:
    @Bert
    Steve, you wanted a white shooter:

    HOUSTON - The gunman who carried out Monday morning's shooting that wounded nine people was wearing what appeared to be Nazi paraphernalia, two law enforcement sources told Channel 2 Investigates' Robert Arnold.
     
    http://www.click2houston.com/news/large-police-presence-reported-in-southwest-houston

    The shooter, Nathan DeSai, was a Moslem who’s family was from Kuwait.

    Trump turns to Hillary during the debate and says “And you want more of these Moslem, Nazi lawyers to come into our country and shoot hard working Americans! Sad!”

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    A link?
    , @Langley
    OOPS!
    Wrong country.
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  192. All the optimism based on Hillary’s health seems a little dicey. She got dolled up well enough for a big D convention bounce.

    On the other hand, Trump was a strong front-runner in the R primaries, so his recent surge in the polls should enhance his performance, as will the adversity* that usually demoralizes R candidates or triggers inappropriate displays of magnanimity in response to bad faith (cf. Ryan v. Biden).

    * – he’s energized by being attacked, passive/aggressively or otherwise.

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    Inappropriate displays of magnanimity in response to bad faith.

    What a fantastic phrase and insight into human nature. This is a common problem in life. I don't think the Donald has this problem. He has a killer instinct. He has criticized Romney for letting up at the end. Leftists/Democrats/ lots of Republicans rarely have this defect, unless dealing with Iran, Muslims, BLM, etc. The way they treat Trump and the deplorables is a window into their souls, showing whom they really fear and loathe.
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  193. @SteveRogers42
    In a sane and healthy nation, this alone should have prevented her from even getting the nomination.

    Yeah, reading the NYT article on her decision to attack Libya (so it wouldn’t look bad for Presidential purposes, just like her vote to go to war in Iraq) made it impossible for me to vote for her, ever.

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  194. Jefferson says:
    @Jack D
    The Democrat party and their press wing are pressing Lester Holt to "fact check" Trump live on camera Candy Crowley style. It will be interesting to see if he is a "race man" and follows their wishes. Lauer was almost crucified for NOT doing this -didn't he get the memo from JournoList? This goes with the narrative that Trump should not be entitled to the normal courtesies as any other candidate because he is Hitler and a notorious liar and you can't just pretend that Hitler is just another candidate or let his blatant lies go unanswered (Hillary's lies are OK because she is lying for a good cause). The right thing from their POV would be for Holt to stand up and point to Trump and say, "I hereby denounce Trump and all his works and all his pomps and his worship and his angels and his inventions and all things that are under him. Renuntio! Renuntio! Renuntio! ". This would be Holt's Walter Cronkite moment which would ensure for himself a place in US history.

    “The Democrat party and their press wing are pressing Lester Holt to “fact check” Trump live on camera Candy Crowley style. It will be interesting to see if he is a “race man” and follows their wishes. Lauer was almost crucified for NOT doing this -didn’t he get the memo from JournoList?”

    If Matt Lauer in the future ends up dead under suspicious circumstances like Antonin Scalia and Seth Rich than I’m looking at Crooked Hildabeast.

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  195. @Langley
    The shooter, Nathan DeSai, was a Moslem who's family was from Kuwait.

    Trump turns to Hillary during the debate and says "And you want more of these Moslem, Nazi lawyers to come into our country and shoot hard working Americans! Sad!"

    A link?

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  196. Lagertha says:
    @rod1963
    I think the Bernie followers got the message loud and clear that Hillary is downright evil. Just look at the turnout for her rallies - in the hundreds not thousands. For a supposed top tier presidential candidate who can't even fill a school auditorium is nothing short of a joke.

    And why is this? For starters she's unlikable and secondly because she pissed off one half of the Democratic party base which is the Bernie peeps.

    Here's the thing, the Bernie folks know full well now that Hillary rigged the DNC to shaft Bernie out of the nomination and then bribed him to shut him up. They are pissed and won't vote for Hillary period.

    plus, she would continue O’s wishes to allow ICANN to be “shared”, so the internet is no longer controlled by the U.S. It can, potentially, be hijacked and censored by all kinds of international actors. The internet remaining free is an obsession with Millennials….well, the really smart tech-oriented ones. DARPA a few years ago, was another intense thing for this group. Boomers don’t understand that Snowden and Assange are heroes for liberty…Guy Fawkesian characters, for Millennials.

    OT: Clinton is also hemmed in by Obama wanting his legacy; so, the about face with the TPP will be interesting for her to defend. Obama is all in with TPP, and she is supposedly now waffling.

    OT: Melania Trump would be the first FLOTUS of a former Soviet controlled nation. She is a cover girl for “good” immigrants. She is by far, the most beautiful, possible FLOTUS. I don’t think she will be in the debate seats because I think she must remain careful with appearances, and, doesn’t want her son exposed to crazy people who despise Trump – plus, like all good mothers, they know how important autumn is for school. People are so virulently ready to attack Trump supporters, that it is indeed, dangerous to be confronted by mobs of these rabble.

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  197. TheBoom says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    I don't know how anyone can be undecided in this election, so I have no idea how either candidate could appeal to someone who can't decide between the two. Trump could show up for the debate falling-down drunk, with his penis hanging out of his pants, and I still wouldn't vote for Hillary.

    “I don’t know how anyone can be undecided in this election….”

    People who follow politics forget how little most people follow politics. Most, particularly women, have only a vague sense of what is going on. their opinions are heavily influcenced by ads, friends, mainstream media and general impressions of the candidate.

    Only half the people think Hillary’s health is an important issue. That is just one example.

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  198. Lagertha says:
    @Travis
    Hofstra University has posted a “trigger warning” sign to warn students about the potentially disturbing content that may be discussed during Monday night’s presidential debate.

    a sign inside of the student center at Hofstra reads, “Trigger warning: The event conducted just beyond this sign may contain triggering and/or sensitive material. If you feel triggered, please know there are resources to help you.”

    oh Lordy, scratch that college off the list!

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  199. @Mark F.
    Personal anecdotes, who your friends are voting for and number of bumper stickers seen mean absolutely nothing.

    I stated clearly in the first sentence i was replying to a troll. But hey, by your own standards your opinion also means absolutely nothing.

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  200. Svigor says:

    And all this time, I’ve been pronouncing it “sai-EEEEEEEEE-ler!” Maybe I’ll switch to your Star Trek pronunciation: “Sigh-LOR.”

    I’m kind of hoping for one of the train-wreck Hillarys to show up – left eye wandering around on its own Hillary; bug-eyed, yelling-too-loud “why am I not 50 points ahead” harridan Hillary; low energy, clueless-grandma Between-Two-Ferns Hillary, all culminating in a debate-ending 9-11 collapse. I’m getting my popcorn ready.

    I don’t think you’ll be disappointed. We’re either going to get some kind of big red health flag from Illary (googly eyes at the least), or some amazing stagecraft/camera work from the MSM to cover the googly eyes or whatever. I doubt she’s spent 90 minutes of uninterrupted time in front of the cameras in years, and she still can’t keep it together. And now she’s got to do 90 uninterrupted minutes, three times.

    At the very least, as Lot points out, we’re going to see an epic telegenics routing.

    We are all hoping that by now Hillary’s Docs have fine tuned her witch’s brew of uppers, downers (tranquilizers), cognitive enhancers, thyroid meds and anti-seizure meds so that she does not crap out in mid-debate. A seizure on stage would be ugly and in her case fugly.

    Speak for yourself. I think a health meltdown on live national television, watched by 100 million Americans, would be the best health outcome for Illary at this point. She’s falling apart, and losing this election would be a mercy.

    [1] If the debate participants are allowed to ask questions of each other, Trump has a wide selection of questions that reporters have never asked Hillary.

    It doesn’t matter what Trump is “allowed” to say. If he wants to ask Illary questions, he can, and should. Eff the “moderators.” This kind of thing is always more about how you say something, than what you’re saying. As long as Trump has the right demeanor, he can break as many of these debate rules as he likes, and the American public will love him for it.

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  201. Trump should say that ending illegal immigration and reducing legal immigration will put the interests of the American people ahead of the interests of foreigners. Trump should say that Hillary Clinton sides with foreigners instead of the American people.

    Women voters know that mass immigration and illegal immigration swamps schools, overwhelms hospitals, lowers wages and destroys cultural cohesion. Women voters know that mass immigration allows the infiltration of radical Islamic terrorists. Women voters know that mass immigration brings crime, infectious diseases and multicultural mayhem.

    Trump might say: “Hillary Clinton and the Democrats want to erase the US border. Hillary Clinton and the Democrats want to give amnesty to 12 to 20 million illegal alien invaders. Hillary Clinton and the Democrats will leave the United States vulnerable to radical Islamic terrorism. I will defend and protect the United States of America.”

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  202. Jefferson says:
    @Jack D
    If the technology was slightly more advanced, I would swear that was an animatronic robot Hillary. She is so disturbing to look at because she falls within the uncanny valley.

    Scott Adams (who endorsed Trump today, reversing his prior "I fear for my life/livelihood so I'm endorsing Hillary " endorsement) also points to the 50 points ahead video as evidence that something is seriously wrong with her.

    I get the feeling that a lot of committed Democrats would look at that video and not see anything wrong at all. The weirdness is down at the gut level where you can't quite articulate what is "off" but you know that something ain't quite right about her.

    “If the technology was slightly more advanced, I would swear that was an animatronic robot Hillary.”

    Comparing Crooked Hildabeast to robots is an insult to robots. Even the T-800 is way more likable than her.

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  203. @Desiderius
    All the optimism based on Hillary's health seems a little dicey. She got dolled up well enough for a big D convention bounce.

    On the other hand, Trump was a strong front-runner in the R primaries, so his recent surge in the polls should enhance his performance, as will the adversity* that usually demoralizes R candidates or triggers inappropriate displays of magnanimity in response to bad faith (cf. Ryan v. Biden).

    * - he's energized by being attacked, passive/aggressively or otherwise.

    Inappropriate displays of magnanimity in response to bad faith.

    What a fantastic phrase and insight into human nature. This is a common problem in life. I don’t think the Donald has this problem. He has a killer instinct. He has criticized Romney for letting up at the end. Leftists/Democrats/ lots of Republicans rarely have this defect, unless dealing with Iran, Muslims, BLM, etc. The way they treat Trump and the deplorables is a window into their souls, showing whom they really fear and loathe.

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  204. @Jack D
    Too late. The WashPo has PROVEN, with CHARTS that alt-right is another word for Nazi.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/09/26/these-charts-show-exactly-how-racist-and-radical-the-alt-right-has-gotten-this-year/

    "These charts show exactly how racist and radical the alt-right has gotten this year" - I love that clickbait style headlines have now made it to the WashPo. Their statistical methodology is also hilarious. In "mainstream" language the word "Jewish" is most often associate with words like "frum" (meaning religious or Orthodox in Yiddish - I didn't know that this word had made it into general usage at all - do most Americans even know what this means?) but in alt-right forums, the word Jewish is most associated with words like "liberal". Can you imagine what kind of deplorable Nazi skinhead would accuse American Jews of being liberal?

    There are, of course, many factions in the alt-right, some of them more radical than others. We observe two primary groups within the alt-right’s extended Twitter network: garden-variety racists, who complain about mixed-race couples, are proud of their Scots-Irish heritage, and use hashtags such as “#WhiteWomenAreMagic,” and violent extremists, who call for genocide against Jews, the killing of Muslims and African Americans, and even threaten to lynch President Obama.

    “...are proud of their Scots-Irish heritage…”

    LOL. You keep using that word…

    More seriously, did everyone here know that we have to pick either an anti-miscegenation or a pro-genocide category? I can’t decide which I am. Someone please help!!

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  205. @Svigor
    And all this time, I've been pronouncing it "sai-EEEEEEEEE-ler!" Maybe I'll switch to your Star Trek pronunciation: "Sigh-LOR."

    I’m kind of hoping for one of the train-wreck Hillarys to show up – left eye wandering around on its own Hillary; bug-eyed, yelling-too-loud “why am I not 50 points ahead” harridan Hillary; low energy, clueless-grandma Between-Two-Ferns Hillary, all culminating in a debate-ending 9-11 collapse. I’m getting my popcorn ready.
     
    I don't think you'll be disappointed. We're either going to get some kind of big red health flag from Illary (googly eyes at the least), or some amazing stagecraft/camera work from the MSM to cover the googly eyes or whatever. I doubt she's spent 90 minutes of uninterrupted time in front of the cameras in years, and she still can't keep it together. And now she's got to do 90 uninterrupted minutes, three times.

    At the very least, as Lot points out, we're going to see an epic telegenics routing.

    We are all hoping that by now Hillary’s Docs have fine tuned her witch’s brew of uppers, downers (tranquilizers), cognitive enhancers, thyroid meds and anti-seizure meds so that she does not crap out in mid-debate. A seizure on stage would be ugly and in her case fugly.
     
    Speak for yourself. I think a health meltdown on live national television, watched by 100 million Americans, would be the best health outcome for Illary at this point. She's falling apart, and losing this election would be a mercy.

    [1] If the debate participants are allowed to ask questions of each other, Trump has a wide selection of questions that reporters have never asked Hillary.
     
    It doesn't matter what Trump is "allowed" to say. If he wants to ask Illary questions, he can, and should. Eff the "moderators." This kind of thing is always more about how you say something, than what you're saying. As long as Trump has the right demeanor, he can break as many of these debate rules as he likes, and the American public will love him for it.

    I bet Hillary will do fine, at least by these extremely lowered expectations.

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    I bet Hillary will do fine, at least by these extremely lowered expectations.
     
    Post debate her campaign is going to whisk her away to a private ICU. Don't expect to see ill Hillary for a week unless her double is toted out.
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  206. Jefferson says:

    “Extremely “unpredictable” …

    Hillary’s got to be figuring the Law of Averages has to finally be on her side with the next bad guy after such a long run of bad luck. Maybe the U. of Illinois party shooter will turn out to be a Young Republican … Is that too much to hope for? I mean, really, God, whose side are you on? Every time you turn on the news, some new atrocity is being committed by Muslims or blacks or immigrants, or even by a stabby Muslim black immigrant like that guy in St. Cloud, MN. I mean, what are the odds?”

    Muslims are doing the jobs that crazy White guys are now too lazy to do. Timothy McVeigh, Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, and Charles Whitman must be rolling in their graves knowing that their jobs are being outsourced by Syrians, Somalis, Pakistanis, Afghanis, Turks, North Africans, etc.

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  207. AndrewR says:
    @res
    Well, if you had actually read the article you would have seen the reference to this in the social media post

    Walmart refused to honor her request due to it being "racist." Three separate people in management denied her request for this reason.
     
    at https://www.facebook.com/taylor.wilkes.735/posts/1839762022923775

    and also have understood that the social media post above was made by a friend--not her.

    Way to be both completely wrong and obnoxious at the same time.

    I read the article twice. The one Ram Z Paul linked to. Sorry for not scouring the web for what Your Majesty happened to read. So screw the Macon reporter for omitting that info. Sorry for triggering you.

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    If you read the article (twice?!) RAM Z Paul linked to (see eah post 38) then you really need to work on your comprehension. The text I quoted appeared (i.e. was visible) in an embedded Facebook post from TayLor Wilkes (labelled Thursday, the first of two, the Facebook link I gave was from that graphic).
    Here is the Macon page for you and anyone else who would like to check: http://www.macon.com/news/nation-world/national/article104188001.html

    I repeat: Completely wrong. And obnoxious. And stupid enough to double down when wrong and called on it.
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  208. TangoMan says:

    When the candidates meet each other on stage and shake hands, Trump should exert a power grip on Hillary and make her hand hurt. This will throw her off her game as she can’t avoid thinking about the pain. Break her concentration from the start, adding to the effect produced by all the drugs she’s on.

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  209. @anon
    Hillary’s got to be figuring the Law of Averages has to finally be on her side with the next bad guy after such a long run of bad luck.

    OK, so now it turns out that the Indian guy who shot all those people in Houston was wearing a Nazi uniform.

    Jesus Christ, Steve. You have to be careful with the meme magic.

    Sounds fishy. What’s an “antique Nazi uniform”?

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    Sounds fishy. What’s an “antique Nazi uniform”?
     
    The kind you see on Hogan's Heroes.
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  210. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad

    Hillary will probably win the debate, but the media will declare Trump the winner because they want a real horserace and to raise expectations for Debate II.
     
    Lot, pass that joint over here.

    Lot, pass that joint over here.

    We’ll have a legal joint here in California after the election. The “recreational marijuana” initiative is polling 60-40 or better to pass lately. Meet up in Balboa Park at the Race Road and Privilege Place sign in Steve’s sidebar photo, then head to the hippie drum circle by World Beat Cultural Center.

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    Exactly.

    My ideal Election Day: Trump wins, voters in California and Nevada legalize marijuana for adults 21 and up, and non-lefty potheads everywhere light up to celebrate ;)
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  211. @Chrisnonymous

    There are, of course, many factions in the alt-right, some of them more radical than others. We observe two primary groups within the alt-right’s extended Twitter network: garden-variety racists, who complain about mixed-race couples, are proud of their Scots-Irish heritage, and use hashtags such as “#WhiteWomenAreMagic,” and violent extremists, who call for genocide against Jews, the killing of Muslims and African Americans, and even threaten to lynch President Obama.
     
    "...are proud of their Scots-Irish heritage..."

    LOL. You keep using that word...

    More seriously, did everyone here know that we have to pick either an anti-miscegenation or a pro-genocide category? I can't decide which I am. Someone please help!!

    “We’re no Eerish bot Scoatch”

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  212. Clyde says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    Sounds fishy. What's an "antique Nazi uniform"?

    Sounds fishy. What’s an “antique Nazi uniform”?

    The kind you see on Hogan’s Heroes.

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  213. Clyde says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I bet Hillary will do fine, at least by these extremely lowered expectations.

    I bet Hillary will do fine, at least by these extremely lowered expectations.

    Post debate her campaign is going to whisk her away to a private ICU. Don’t expect to see ill Hillary for a week unless her double is toted out.

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  214. Svigor says:

    IIRC, Hillary never did anything to Flowers; if Flowers hates Hillary it’s just the standard “Why wouldn’t he leave her for me?” rivalry.

    If Flowers hates Illary, maybe it’s because Illary is a warmonger. Or because she’s an open-borders fanatic. Or because she’s in the pocket of the oligarch class. Or because she’s on Team Black Crime. Or because she’s led the charge to ruin the women Bill raped and harassed. Or because she’s a very unlikeable person who is loathed by millions of Americans.

    But this is a low blow, because he’s attacking with the person who victimized Hillary, rather than the people whom Hillary victimized.

    Bill victimized Illary. Flowers wasn’t married to her. As for low blows, there are no more low blows from Trump. They’ve been defined out of existence. They are all now mercy blows; anything that puts her away is an act of mercy for Illary, and the country. It would be cruel to make a dying woman Commander in Chief. Cruel for her, cruel for America.

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    "Bill victimized Illary. Flowers wasn't married to her."

    Flowers was a homewrecker, and that is not a morally neutral act in my book.

    Furthermore, if Hillary sees her that way too, it scuppers the rumor that she is some kind of power mad crypto lesbian in a sham marriage. I don't see how it's in Trump's interest to frame the debate as Team Homewrecker vs Team Loving Wife.
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  215. Svigor says:

    Overall I still feel that for Trump to have an actual shot at winning he a) needs to be leading by at least a couple of points going into October and b) a halfway respectable GOTV operation in the most important swing states. Right now we doesn’t have either, so I would guess he narrowly loses the popular vote but has a fairly large Electoral College loss.

    Republican GOTV operation has been better than “halfway respectable.” I’d cite a source, if you had. As for the popular vote, it’s irrelevant. The Electoral Map is shaping up to be 276 EVs for Trump.

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  216. @Charles Pewitt
    Trump might say: "Hillary Clinton and the Democrats want to erase the borders of the United States of America -- I want to secure the border by building a big, beautiful wall." Trump might say: "Hillary Clinton pushes open borders mass immigration. Mass immigration lowers wages, swamps schools, overwhelms hospitals and harms the environment. Mass immigration destroys cultural cohesion. Mass immigration brings radical Islamic terrorism to the United States." Trump might say: "Hillary Clinton wants to bog the United States down in endless overseas war. Hillary Clinton voted in favor of the Iraq war debacle. The Hillary Clinton foreign policy of endless war has damaged the US military. For the most part, the United States should let other countries get along the best they can. It is time to put the interests of the United States first -- America First folks, that is the way it must be."

    Good comment Charles. This is well stated.

    I too like the sort of quick “laundry list” of bad effects that you have in here:

    “Hillary Clinton pushes open borders mass immigration. Mass immigration lowers wages, swamps schools, overwhelms hospitals and harms the environment. Mass immigration destroys cultural cohesion. Mass immigration brings radical Islamic terrorism to the United States.”

    The truth is mass immigration makes almost everything worse, including a bunch of stuff like income inequality, education, environment (sprawl, resources, open space, global warming), affordable housing that the Democrats pretend to care about.

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  217. Svigor says:

    I bet Hillary will do fine, at least by these extremely lowered expectations.

    I think if she was healthy enough to reliably “pass,” she wouldn’t have all the coughing fits, the googly eyes, the collapsing, etc., etc., what with her recluse itinerary. I think she’s a ticking time bomb, health-wise. She could roll a hard six and make it through without a major health meltdown, but that’s best-case. 90 minutes with no bathroom or commercial breaks! Then there’s the telegenics thing, plus God knows what effects on her cognition and affect, from God knows which drugs. Lets just say, I think all of this combines to form a serious handicap, going in.

    And the public won’t be grading her on a curve.

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    She's been through a bunch of debates with Bernie this year and a "forum" with Trump already.
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  218. @Svigor

    I bet Hillary will do fine, at least by these extremely lowered expectations.
     
    I think if she was healthy enough to reliably "pass," she wouldn't have all the coughing fits, the googly eyes, the collapsing, etc., etc., what with her recluse itinerary. I think she's a ticking time bomb, health-wise. She could roll a hard six and make it through without a major health meltdown, but that's best-case. 90 minutes with no bathroom or commercial breaks! Then there's the telegenics thing, plus God knows what effects on her cognition and affect, from God knows which drugs. Lets just say, I think all of this combines to form a serious handicap, going in.

    And the public won't be grading her on a curve.

    She’s been through a bunch of debates with Bernie this year and a “forum” with Trump already.

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    Steve, there's too much stress on her. And her health can only get worse. She looked horrible last time she made a tv appearance. Imagine the explosive combination of drugs in her system her doctors pump into her so she can act halfway normal! When so many things can go wrong they usually do.
    , @Matra
    I watched one of those debates. She "won" though Sanders came across as both weak and grumpy so that helped her. Hillary sounded informed and she wasn't shrill either. Maybe I caught her on a rare good night but based on that one debate I think the commenters here are seriously underrating her. I hope I'm wrong.
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  219. dr kill says:
    @Detective Club
    For Hillary, it all began on September 5th with a 4-minute coughing jag and ended on September 11th with a complete collapse in the gutter of a city street : she was then thrown into a medical van with all the ceremony of a grocery store-clerk heaving a large sack of potatoes, and she losing her shoe in the process. You know she will be wearing a hairdo covering a small ear-piece, through which her aides will be feeding her scripted answers to the moderator's questions. She may even get the questions in advance from upstairs at NBC. But 90 minutes, without a break, is a long slog in her rapidly worsening physical condition.

    The diabolical cocktail of Faustian medication, injected and swallowed, which she is forced to undergo on a daily basis, until Election Day arrives on Nov. 8th, may not be able to keep her standing vertical or sitting upright before the clock strikes 10:30PM. She certainly won't turn into a pumpkin but will she zone out a little here and there or pass out totally or kiss the concrete and splatter, just like Newton's Apple, after having been dropped from a great height?

    9.8 m/s squared

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  220. Svigor says:

    I bet Hillary will do fine, at least by these extremely lowered expectations.

    Unless that was your way of saying, “she’s already done, stick a fork in her, but by those standards, she’ll do okay.” In that case, I agree.

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  221. Svigor says:

    She’s been through a bunch of debates with Bernie this year and a “forum” with Trump already.

    True, I was thinking about the Dem debates earlier.

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  222. Seneca says:
    @Marc
    Mark Cuban is behaving like a yapping little dog nipping at Trump's heel instead of a fellow billionaire. Every time he opens his mouth in regards to this election his stature is diminished.

    I recall listening to an interview many years ago with Mark Cuban when Mr. Cuban may have inadvertently revealed the underlying reason of why hel does not like Mr.Trump.

    According to Mr. Cuban, when he was very young and before Mr. Cuban became rich he went to Mr. Trump seeking an investor for a business idea he had. Mr. Trump turned him down. My impression at the time listening to him speak was that Mr Cuban did not like the way he was treated by Mr. Trump. I guess he felt that in some way he was dissed by Mr. Trump. I could tell it still rankled him.

    I don’t recall if the idea was eventually successful.

    While Mr. Cuban did ultimately became a billionaire, he apparently cannot forget what he perceived as a slight from Mr. Trump when Mr. Cuban was still trying to become a success.

    Other billionaires that Mr. Trump has had business dealings openly support Mr. Trump. That Mr. Cuban is so petty as to hold a grudge over a trivial thing (most people seeking money for a new idea get turned down a lot I am guessing) does not speak well of him.

    Unfortunately, I could not find any verification of this early incident between the two on the web. I am pretty sure my memory is correct regarding the general details of the incident and interview.

    The reason my memory of the interview is so vivid is that I thought it a strange coincidence that one billionaire (Trump) would meet a future billionaire when the other was just starting out (Cuban) . What are the chances of that? I know, billionaires invest in many businesses and meet all sorts of potentially successful people. But I still thought the coincidence was unusual.

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  223. Could any sporting event be this exciting? Heck, any battle in a war even? Heck any war?

    The question tonight is can Trump win tonight and by doing so save America and by extension Western civilization. Or will we vote in Hillary and watch Western civilization just continue to spiral down the toilet in the giant flush of white ethno-masochism.

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  224. @Mark F.
    Personal anecdotes, who your friends are voting for and number of bumper stickers seen mean absolutely nothing.

    Yeah. So true. All those people in Silicon Valley who have not put Hillary bumper stickers on their cars are afraid of having their cars damaged by Trump supporters.

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  225. BB753 says:
    @Steve Sailer
    She's been through a bunch of debates with Bernie this year and a "forum" with Trump already.

    Steve, there’s too much stress on her. And her health can only get worse. She looked horrible last time she made a tv appearance. Imagine the explosive combination of drugs in her system her doctors pump into her so she can act halfway normal! When so many things can go wrong they usually do.

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  226. Matra says:
    @Steve Sailer
    She's been through a bunch of debates with Bernie this year and a "forum" with Trump already.

    I watched one of those debates. She “won” though Sanders came across as both weak and grumpy so that helped her. Hillary sounded informed and she wasn’t shrill either. Maybe I caught her on a rare good night but based on that one debate I think the commenters here are seriously underrating her. I hope I’m wrong.

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    think the commenters here are seriously underrating her. I hope I’m wrong.
     
    They are, and you're not.

    Hillary did not
    -- suffer a seizure on stage
    -- collapse from dehydration

    or suffer any other form of medical emergency. She came into Debate 1 a few points ahead in the polls. Merely by acting competent, she exceeded expectations. Now she is a few additional points ahead.

    It's not over yet, but my money's on Hillary to win in November.
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  227. res says:
    @AndrewR
    I read the article twice. The one Ram Z Paul linked to. Sorry for not scouring the web for what Your Majesty happened to read. So screw the Macon reporter for omitting that info. Sorry for triggering you.

    If you read the article (twice?!) RAM Z Paul linked to (see eah post 38) then you really need to work on your comprehension. The text I quoted appeared (i.e. was visible) in an embedded Facebook post from TayLor Wilkes (labelled Thursday, the first of two, the Facebook link I gave was from that graphic).
    Here is the Macon page for you and anyone else who would like to check: http://www.macon.com/news/nation-world/national/article104188001.html

    I repeat: Completely wrong. And obnoxious. And stupid enough to double down when wrong and called on it.

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    I'm on my phone and the facebook post is not formatted properly so I didn't read it. The reporter should have summarized the post better. I hope you feel better after insulting me in two comments. I hope your white knighting goes well. Maybe the anonymous cop's daughter will give you a piece of her cake in appreciation for you insulting strangers in her honor.
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  228. It’s not about her.
    It’s about him.

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  229. @Steve Sailer

    I should like to know the correct pronunciation of Steve’s name. Is it just like “sailor” or does it rhyme with “Tyler”?
     
    Pretty much like sail-or, although I just say sail-er or say-ler. Now that I think about it, I should ask some relatives whether the syllable break should fall before or after the L.

    I've been told that people in the German speaking countries say Syl-er (or Sy-ler).

    It’s pronounced “Throatwobbler-Mangrove.”

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    It’s pronounced “Throatwobbler-Mangrove.”
     
    Isn't that the British pronunciation?
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  230. slumber_j says:
    @G Pinfold
    I have just seen Hillary's 'I should be fifty points ahead' speech. I may have missed something, but Steve's post seemed to deal with the content. The real story is clearly in the delivery... Holy mother of Jehosaphat. If I came home looking like that, I would be keeping Fido warm for the next few days.
    This was highlighted tonight by Sean Hannity (who I know is no rocket scientist, but he is right on this one).
    If you have not actually watched the clip, it is essential viewing. Draw your own conclusions.
    Mine is that the Betty Ford people have been working with her this week, practising for the debate, specifically, trying to ensure that the 'fifty points' Hillary does not wander onstage and grab the mike.
    Which Hillary is going to show up?

    You’re absolutely right about her delivery in that 50 Points Ahead video. Among other things, her torso barely moves as she gesticulates, making her seem to be strapped to something.

    It looks deeply unnatural. Maybe she was trying to keep her face in the same plane the whole time or something, but it contributes to the general air of extreme weirdness.

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  231. Jonah says:

    All through the 2015/2016 Election season I’ve kept thinking… where have I seen this movie before? It finally hit me. Donald Trump IS Daniel Larusso. His rise in 2016 is the story of The Karate Kid.

    We meet the main character first. Trump grew up just outside Manhattan. So did Daniel-san. Both have a personality that rubs a lot of people the wrong way. First impressions are hard for them. Frankly, so are second impressions. And third impressions. They make lots of social mistakes. And when you’re new, and you show up with a different look, people make fun of you.

    In the beginning, outsiders like Trump/Daniel have to go it alone. It looks like a very long road. You know what the movie is about but it seems so unlikely. President/karate champ? At the outset, it seems impossible. I mean, they have flirted with politics/karate a little in the past. But they have no formal training. In the beginning, Trump/Daniel-san see one tenuous possibility for a special connection. They want Elizabeth Shue/voters to fall for them.

    Now, Shue/voters used to date Johnny. Who is, of course, Hillary Clinton. Johnny/Clinton is a mean looking blonde who knows everything there is to know about karate/politics. Doesn’t matter. Trump/Daniel-san have to pursue that which they love…

    For showing interest in Shue/voters, Trump/Daniel draw fire. Not just from Johnny/Clinton, but from the whole Cobra Kai Dojo/Political Establishment. Which is overseen, obviously, by John Kreese/the mainstream media. Theoretically, everyone in the dojo/Establishment should have a shot at winning, but Kreese/media clearly favors Johnny/Clinton. It seems odd that Kreese/media is giving Johnny/Clinton all these advantages. Why? Is it necessary? Isn’t Johnny/Clinton the best? Hmmm…

    It’s particularly crazy that Kreese/media lock in on, and malign some long-shot outsider like Daniel/Trump early on. Johnny/Clinton becomes obsessed with Daniel/Trump too. Huge mistake. Instead of focusing on their own work (messaging and policy/karate) they waste energy heaping scorn on their rival. Is it really necessary to swarm this new guy on bikes in skeleton costumes/ writing endless op-eds about everything he says? No. It’s insane. But that’s just the way with Daniel/Trump. They’re the main character of any story they’re in. They’re magnetic somehow. Still. Clinton/Johnny seem poised to crush Trump/Daniel.

    But Trump/Daniel-san have an ace in the hole. They glean wisdom from a mentor who had been in the arena before. Mr. Miyagi… and Ann Coulter. Coulter, like Miyagi, is a loner. And basically a wizard at sparring even though you’d never know it to look at them. These mentors instill values, and offer tactical advice that seems crazy to other experts in the field of politics/karate.

    It starts, in both cases, with the construction of a big beautiful barricade. Paint the fence. Build the wall. In both cases, it’s getting done for cheap.

    All the seemingly unrelated skills Trump/Daniel acquire through hard work ultimately translate to politics/karate. Waxing cars, sanding floors… managing a real estate empire, becoming a reality TV star… It all adds up. When the fighting starts in earnest, they are way more prepared than their enemy thinks. Than anyone thinks.

    The Republican Primaries. The All Valley Karate Tournament? Same difference. It’s just Trump/Daniel shocking the world by plowing everyone in sight. Who saw it coming? Jeb! and Kasich, Fiorina. So many vanquished foes writhing on the floor. Utterly shocked at their humiliating defeats. It had to be a fluke right? Nope.

    Daniel/Trump change the game with unconventional moves nobody has ever seen before. There’s a lot less feignting and jabbing and dancing around than all the other challengers.

    But Trump and Daniel are very human. They’re vulnerable. Especially to dirty tricks. It’s hard to win a tournament when the biggest powerbroker in the sport (Kreese/media) hate your guts. They try to knock Trump/Daniel out any way they can. Gold star dad! Sweep the leg! David Duke! Put him in a body bag!!!

    Trump/Daniel look wounded. Honestly, how can they still even be standing up? But these guys (Trump/Daniel) are just relentless. They love Shue/voters. And they see Shue/voters are starting to love them back. And it gives them strength.

    They get in the arena, stand tough, square up, and after a brief misdirect… kick Johnny/Clinton straight in the face. Clinton/Johnny are basically out on their feet. They wobble and hit the deck. And just like that… it’s over. That’s what is about to happen tonight.

    By the way, in the sequel, Daniel/Trump, having defeated all challengers in the States, go rep their country abroad… And they defeat Asians at their own game. Watch out, China.

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  232. She’s capable of attacking her enemies, that’s for sure, but she’ll be heavily medicated, shot up with adrenaline or something. It’ll take her days to recover. 90 Minutes of work is a lot for her.

    The MSM has already called the show in her favor. She has won. Don’t you all know that by now?

    I’m hoping/expecting Trump to surprise everyone. He’s very good at that. Maybe the other 99,999,999 viewers are hoping for the same thing.

    Around my parts, this is right up there with the Superbowl, more even. People at work today were telling me how everything and everybody is kind of shut down. It’s a freakin’ national holiday.

    I know one person who is hosting a debate party, with guests from both sides. He’s hoping he has a house left when it’s over.

    I hope the three morons in America who still haven’t made up their minds get what they need tonight and decide for the rest of us who our next president will be.

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  233. Alfa158 says:
    @PiltdownMan
    On the other hand, fivethirtyeight estimates that if the election were to be held today, Donald Trump would win in 54.5% of their scenarios and Hillary Clinton in 45.5% of them. They are tied in the forecast for November.

    Which all means that, on balance, there is slight net upside potential for Hillary in the month to come, and slight net downside for Trump, based on their model.

    Mathematically their model says nothing about which way the probabilities will change. Without other information, Trump is just as likely to increase his 54.5% as Hillary is to increase her 45.5%. Their current numbers contain no information that predicts how they will change in the future, unless you accept momentum as a factor, in which case Trump would be more likely to increase his share.

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    Agreed that there should be no information in there about probabilities changing over time, but I've no insight at all into the parameters that their stochastic simulation uses. But there is a significant difference in mean outcomes between the nowcast and the election day forecast, which leads me to suspect that there are some assumptions in there about how votes firm up in the last month, perhaps based on historical information. I don't know.

    The nowcast, as I understand it, is also a probabalistic mean, rather than a deterministic outcome based on poll results. The nowcast is also significantly different from the polling numbers and what is displayed in terms of swing state numbers.

    This is all very intuitive on my part since I'm guessing about fivethirtyeight's model, but having built models and run MonteCarlo simulations (albeit in a very different context) the decay in mean outcomes between a time horizon of t=0 and t=election day led me to my speculation.

    You are right that the model does not incorporate future information between now and election day or tell us about how those mean outcomes will change. It's a model, not an oracle.

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  234. Hillary’s health really has been rapidly declining but no guarantee it affects this debate. Still, a few thousand insiders and the dishonest media have got to know more by now.

    I don’t think Trump can lose much in the debate, unless there is a huge group of angry Johnson holdouts really focused on the debate (there isn’t. Few ever loyal R’s are with Johnson by now imho) If he wins the fudged polls might not move though; Trump is about at a low 40s ceiling anyway, and the pollsters could choose whether to show Hillary losing support to 3rd parties or not. Only something monumental like a health concern would force the media’s hand.

    My drive by prediction is there are no new issues or policies really brought up, no clever or creative questions prepared by debate staff. They’ll just want to softball Hillary and be mean to the deplorables (yes, really attacking the voters some more not just Trump on stage).

    In the interest of fair assessment I also predict Stein’s response deal will bomb. Debates aren’t a great format for that, loss of mutual conversation is awkward, and they might not even get flashy tech right to feel seamless. Good points, who knows, rhetorically won’t wow.

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  235. Anonym says:
    @Thea
    To be fair he used Christie to dispense with Rubio in classic attack dog style.

    Let’ dispel once and for all with this fiction that Trump doesn’t know what he’s doing. He knows exactly what he’s doing. Trump, in cahoots with Christie, did a presciently perfect job of predicting the Marco Roboto glitch.

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  236. res says:
    @FactsAreImportant
    It's pronounced "Throatwobbler-Mangrove."

    It’s pronounced “Throatwobbler-Mangrove.”

    Isn’t that the British pronunciation?

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  237. @Cromwellforever
    Dropping acid for the first time in anticipation of the debate. I'm hoping Trump will transfigure before my eyes into an exarch.

    What a waste of perfectly good LSD

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  238. @Jim Don Bob
    80% of the country has no idea who Mark Cuban is, and of the 20% who do, most of them think he's a jerk.

    He’s the star of a fairly popular network primetime TV show… People know who Mark Cuban is

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    Like a lot of people, we don't have tv in our house. I didn't know much about Cuban and don't feel like I've missed much.
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  240. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    9:11 PM. Please God, make it stop!

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    9:12 PM. That's enough. I can't take any more. I'm done.
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  241. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    9:11 PM. Please God, make it stop!

    9:12 PM. That’s enough. I can’t take any more. I’m done.

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    An hour of this would have been plenty, especially in this age of quick Twitter feeds, instant gratification, etc.
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  242. AndrewR says:
    @res
    If you read the article (twice?!) RAM Z Paul linked to (see eah post 38) then you really need to work on your comprehension. The text I quoted appeared (i.e. was visible) in an embedded Facebook post from TayLor Wilkes (labelled Thursday, the first of two, the Facebook link I gave was from that graphic).
    Here is the Macon page for you and anyone else who would like to check: http://www.macon.com/news/nation-world/national/article104188001.html

    I repeat: Completely wrong. And obnoxious. And stupid enough to double down when wrong and called on it.

    I’m on my phone and the facebook post is not formatted properly so I didn’t read it. The reporter should have summarized the post better. I hope you feel better after insulting me in two comments. I hope your white knighting goes well. Maybe the anonymous cop’s daughter will give you a piece of her cake in appreciation for you insulting strangers in her honor.

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    I’m on my phone and the facebook post is not formatted properly so I didn’t read it.
     

    I read the article twice.
     
    OK. At least the formatting problem makes sense (a bit contrary to your other statement though). Perhaps next time be a little slower to criticize if you are using a device which doesn't properly display the article.

    As for me "insulting" you. If you can't take it don't dish it out. I treat people as they treat others (especially me) as can be seen by looking at my other comments. Anyone interested can also see how you treat people by reading your other comments.

    And to revisit how this all started, here is your original post.

    Why didnt she go to the manager before making a big deal on social media? Screw her.
     
    As I've said twice before (and documented above): Completely wrong and obnoxious. But I suppose calling you on that is an insult or "white knighting" or something.
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  243. Trump is savaging her on NAFTA and TPP. Good heavens.

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  244. anon says: • Disclaimer

    A real shit show so far . Only thing left is for Hillary to empty her loaded Huggies on the stage .

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  245. iSteveFan says:

    Wow, I can’t believe Trump is standing up to her. Other republicans would be very meek.

    I just hope he doesn’t get too worked up. What do you all think. Is he too worked up? I think he is fine, but how will this play to low information voters?

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  246. Trump is wiping the floor with hillary. Though that may just be my biased perspective speaking.

    I just want him to stop talking over her and interrupting her though, that’s going to give them leeway to make charges of him being a misogynist and blah blah blah.

    She is slow and dull, he can destroy her arguments even without interrupting her.

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  247. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Actually 2 things are obvious. 1st Hillarys first question was obviously fed to her well in advance ,she had a canned response. 2nd is that she has an earpiece as expected.

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  248. Holy shit. He just mentioned her emails.

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  249. Getting the feeling that Hillary is fading 30 minutes into this. Am I the only one who thinks her syntax is off? She sounds really stilted.

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    She is starting to come across as snotty. Trump is seemingly getting angry, but is able so far to restrain himself. I think he gave a good answer on the bankruptcy thing.
    , @larry lurker
    She got slightly tongue tied a couple of times too.
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  250. Hillary’s really laying the “My father was a drapery installer” stuff on thick.

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    Hillary looks better than I thought. But we all knew she would be the studious student with all the facts. Her mission tonight was to make Trump look unfit for office. So far, Trump looks like he has the stature to be Prez.
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  251. Anonym says:

    Current impressions so far: Hillary doing better than expected but Trump is powerful.

    I agree he needs to tone down the interruptions. Maybe 40%. He does need to interrupt some, just less. It is a minor criticism. I’m biased but I think he’s winning.

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  252. Langley says:
    @Langley
    The shooter, Nathan DeSai, was a Moslem who's family was from Kuwait.

    Trump turns to Hillary during the debate and says "And you want more of these Moslem, Nazi lawyers to come into our country and shoot hard working Americans! Sad!"

    OOPS!
    Wrong country.

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  253. @Alfa158
    Mathematically their model says nothing about which way the probabilities will change. Without other information, Trump is just as likely to increase his 54.5% as Hillary is to increase her 45.5%. Their current numbers contain no information that predicts how they will change in the future, unless you accept momentum as a factor, in which case Trump would be more likely to increase his share.

    Agreed that there should be no information in there about probabilities changing over time, but I’ve no insight at all into the parameters that their stochastic simulation uses. But there is a significant difference in mean outcomes between the nowcast and the election day forecast, which leads me to suspect that there are some assumptions in there about how votes firm up in the last month, perhaps based on historical information. I don’t know.

    The nowcast, as I understand it, is also a probabalistic mean, rather than a deterministic outcome based on poll results. The nowcast is also significantly different from the polling numbers and what is displayed in terms of swing state numbers.

    This is all very intuitive on my part since I’m guessing about fivethirtyeight’s model, but having built models and run MonteCarlo simulations (albeit in a very different context) the decay in mean outcomes between a time horizon of t=0 and t=election day led me to my speculation.

    You are right that the model does not incorporate future information between now and election day or tell us about how those mean outcomes will change. It’s a model, not an oracle.

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  254. iSteveFan says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Getting the feeling that Hillary is fading 30 minutes into this. Am I the only one who thinks her syntax is off? She sounds really stilted.

    She is starting to come across as snotty. Trump is seemingly getting angry, but is able so far to restrain himself. I think he gave a good answer on the bankruptcy thing.

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  255. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Dare I say it?

    As a man who’s been married three times, Trump has an advantage in arguing with a woman in a debate. Hillary’s experience in putting up with her hubby, then occasionally throwing a lamp is of little use here.

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  256. This is what happens when tax platforms are drafted by Heritage Foundations goons and the only debate prep done is concocting “zingers”. What were Conway and Bannon doing for the past month? Trump should mention KORUS or GLBA. Oh well, here’s hoping Hillary has a stroke.

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  257. Anonym says:

    Trump just slayed Hillary on crime.

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  258. Alfa158 says:

    Nice touch the way Trump handled the race question. He didn’t interrupt Hillary during her responses, and let her ramble on about how Black people’s problems are entirely the fault of everyone except Black people.

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  259. Clinton talking about the “vibrancy” of Black churches. Drink!

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    He kind of rolled his eyes when she mentioned the black church. Classic
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  260. @Jack Hanson
    Getting the feeling that Hillary is fading 30 minutes into this. Am I the only one who thinks her syntax is off? She sounds really stilted.

    She got slightly tongue tied a couple of times too.

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  261. @larry lurker
    Clinton talking about the "vibrancy" of Black churches. Drink!

    He kind of rolled his eyes when she mentioned the black church. Classic

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  262. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Dissident
    I agree.

    I'd go even further, wishing Trump would be as strong on opposition to invade as he has been on opposition to invite. (But can he? Would the donors and controlling elites allow that?)

    And whenever the "Islamophobic" and "racist" cards are thrown at Trump, he should respond by pointing-out that Muslims and Arabs make-up the overwhelming majority of the countless casualties-- including children and their mothers-- that Hillary Rodham-Clinton bears direct responsibility for.

    And whenever the “Islamophobic” and “racist” cards are thrown at Trump, he should respond by pointing-out that Muslims and Arabs make-up the overwhelming majority of the countless casualties– including children and their mothers– that Hillary Rodham-Clinton bears direct responsibility for.

    That would be a very smart move.

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  263. iSteveFan says:
    @ATX Hipster
    Hillary's really laying the "My father was a drapery installer" stuff on thick.

    Hillary looks better than I thought. But we all knew she would be the studious student with all the facts. Her mission tonight was to make Trump look unfit for office. So far, Trump looks like he has the stature to be Prez.

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    Hillary looks better than I thought.
     
    You can get a temporary boost from some choice stimulants. It's only got to last a couple hours at best.
    , @Lagertha
    Restylane injections in her face.
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  264. CJ says:

    Hillary has clearly been fed the questions beforehand. Not unexpectedly.

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    "Hillary has clearly been fed the questions beforehand. Not unexpectedly."

    Whoa. You wouldn't by any chance be suggesting that the media has a bias would you?
    , @Coemgen

    Hillary has clearly been fed the questions beforehand. Not unexpectedly
     
    .She hasn't been fed Trump's debate prep - he didn't do any.
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  265. Good on Trump for bringing up the connection between Birther allegations and Clinton’s 08 campaign. And awesome to claim victory for being the one to force Obama to present his birth certificate.

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    But he didn't explain it very well. We bloggeratti knew what he was talking about, but could Joe Sixpack follow that?

    Also when Hillary said that there was "no evidence" for birtherism, Trump should have followed Derb's lead and mentioned that Obama's own literary agent was the original source of the rumors:

    http://www.vdare.com/radios/radio-derb-the-wonk-gap-obamas-birtherism-and-three-cheers-for-nativism-etc
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  266. TheBoom says:
    @CJ
    Hillary has clearly been fed the questions beforehand. Not unexpectedly.

    “Hillary has clearly been fed the questions beforehand. Not unexpectedly.”

    Whoa. You wouldn’t by any chance be suggesting that the media has a bias would you?

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  267. Nico says:
    @iSteveFan
    Hillary looks better than I thought. But we all knew she would be the studious student with all the facts. Her mission tonight was to make Trump look unfit for office. So far, Trump looks like he has the stature to be Prez.

    Hillary looks better than I thought.

    You can get a temporary boost from some choice stimulants. It’s only got to last a couple hours at best.

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    They say the extended release version of Adderall lasts about four hours. But even with instant release, once you're "in the zone" you can sometimes stay there long after the effects should have worn off- especially if you're a tad (or more than a tad) hypomanic to begin with.
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  268. Ivy says:

    Including some 400 pounder on his bed...
    Trump sure can turn a phrase. Taking another drink now.

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  269. Simonini says:

    I wish Trump were a smoother debater. He’s missed some good opportunities.

    They brought up the Minnesota stabbing (by a Muslim refugee) and then asked about home-grown attacks by American citizens.

    Clinton basically called for bombing Russia over stolen emails. It would be a great time to bring up the question of who is more likely to get us involved in another war.

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  270. Nico says:

    Her voice. That VOICE

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  271. Anonym says:

    I think Hillary’s team just concocted a new logical fallacy: Argumentum per hoc Invisibilia Quod Verificare

    Argument by invisible fact checkers

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  272. Forbes says:

    I still can’t figure out the rift over gender–lazy headline writing?

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    Blind hope & narrative management.
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  273. An hour & nineteen minutes in, and I must call this first debate a wash, especially on the “Racism” exchanges that perhaps gave a slight edge to Mr. Trump’s law & order emphasis.

    It’s not really a debate. It’s all been finger-pointing, and both candidates are weak on statistics.

    Mrs. Clinton lied about murder being down – the latest stats out today show 1,500 more murders last year.

    An hour & nineteen minutes and yet not one question on . . . Open Borders Perpetual Mass Third World Imminvasion.

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    Mrs. Clinton lied about murder being down – the latest stats out today show 1,500 more murders last year.
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    No, she talked about NYC.
    , @Nico

    An hour & nineteen minutes and yet not one question on . . . Open Borders Perpetual Mass Third World Imminvasion.
     
    Trump tried to wedge it in, but pulled back. I agree he could have wedged harder.
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  274. J1234 says:

    All Hillary’s been able to do so far is not lose her temper and keep smiling. She obviously thought Donald was going to crash and burn, which he hasn’t. He tells her right to her face that she was lying about the emails, that she used a private server to intentionally deceive people…and all she can do is smile in response.

    But neither Trump or Hillary is going to win a lot of converts from what I’ve seen of this debate. It’s just the few voters that will tip the balance one way or another that matter. Both are composed and presidential, taking into account, of course, Trump’s off the cuff style. Not quite the donnybrook I thought it might be. It’s hard to watch Hillary very long and not get disgusted. She obviously has a sympathetic audience. His great comebacks and rebuttals get no applause, while her mediocre ones do.

    Now it’s time to sit back and listen to the media class congratulate Hillary on a shut out, when (from what I’ve seen so far) Trump is the clear winner on content. The NYT and WP editorials will all say, “Take that, Donald!” tomorrow, but they would’ve done that even in Hillary came wheeled out on a gurney with an IV in her arm.

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    All Hillary’s been able to do so far is not lose her temper and keep smiling. She obviously thought Donald was going to crash and burn, which he hasn’t. He tells her right to her face that she was lying about the emails, that she used a private server to intentionally deceive people…and all she can do is smile in response
     
    The Hillary Clinton Seething Smile. She wore it for much of the Obama debates too.
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  275. I’d like for once to have a “conservative” candidate who is willing to stand up for me and my people.

    Right off the bat, the lead question was about jobs and economic inequality and Trump can’t bring up immigration. Lots of yapping about trade–fine. But nothing about immigration, not even illegals!

    Trump let Hillary get away with the shot about his dad giving him the starter loan, and doesn’t hit back with her and Bill leaving the White House “broke” and being worth $150m … *without producing anything*, simply by collecting payola from Wall Street.

    Trump let Hillary get away with blaming Wall Street, when she is *the* candidate of Goldman Sachs.

    Trump let Hillary get away with some (weak) shots blaming Republicans, “trickle down” for the housing bubble. While the housing bubble was blown up with typical Democratic party subsidies that the Wall Streeters took advantage of, and that Hillary Clinton’s owners at Goldman Sachs took advantage of. It was a classic WallStreet-Washington establishment–Hillary’s sort of policies and people–looting the American people.

    Trump just let Hillary slide by on BLM. He did a decent job on how crime makes black communities crappy. But he said nothing about Hillary wrapping herself around BLM, and the riots, police killings and most of all the 15% bump in the murder rate.

    Now he’s addressing the Muslim issue. He was ok–not great–trying to pin ISIS on Hillary\Obama. But he is unable to pick up the issue of Muslim immigration hatching these terrorists inside our borders. He doesn’t bother to bring up her waving in 600,000+ muslims from Syria into the US. Now he yaps on in detail about his opposition to Iraq … and never gets around to saying that Hillary voted for the Iraq war.

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    Yes, I agree. Not a very substantive debate.
    , @Auntie Analogue

    "Right off the bat, the lead question was about jobs and economic inequality and Trump can’t bring up immigration. Lots of yapping about trade–fine. But nothing about immigration, not even illegals!"

     

    My dear AnotherDad, you're right about that. It was a golden opportunity for Mr, Trump to have demolished Mrs. Clinton right at the outset, and he failed to seize it.

    Also, when Hillary said her private e-mail server was "a mistake," Mr. Trump blew the opportunity to shoot back with, "It's a deliberate violation of federal espionage law."

    Trump also blew the birther question by talking too long about it. He should have simply dumped it on Blumenthal and Hillary, and then said, "We're done. It's done. Let's move on."

    It did appear that Mr. Trump did not prepare, or prepared poorly, for the face-off.

    Overall, as much as I dislike having to say it: slight edge to Mrs. Clinton, yet the fight goes on.

    The worst of the fallout is that Dems and their Enemedia-Pravda cheerleaders now have something to crow about and beaucoup sound-bites to cherry pick, while we Deplorables sit scratching our heads.
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  276. Tiny Duck says:

    God Trump is such a sack of feces. Man, I gotta give Clinton credit, she is beyond calm looking with all the bullshit he lobs out and how Holt fails to do his job. I also have to laugh that as I am writing this Trump has the audacity to talk about candidates being disrespectful to other candidates.

    Sounds like Trumps health is failing him with the constant sniffing.

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  277. utu says:
    @Auntie Analogue
    An hour & nineteen minutes in, and I must call this first debate a wash, especially on the "Racism" exchanges that perhaps gave a slight edge to Mr. Trump's law & order emphasis.

    It's not really a debate. It's all been finger-pointing, and both candidates are weak on statistics.

    Mrs. Clinton lied about murder being down - the latest stats out today show 1,500 more murders last year.

    An hour & nineteen minutes and yet not one question on . . . Open Borders Perpetual Mass Third World Imminvasion.

    Mrs. Clinton lied about murder being down – the latest stats out today show 1,500 more murders last year.
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    No, she talked about NYC.

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    Uh, yes, but murder is also up in NYC as well. So then on that point, Trump is accurately correct.

    Oops....
    , @Haha
    NYC murder rate up 7% 2014-2015
    , @Haha
    NYC murder rate up 7% 2014-2015
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  278. Nico says:
    @Auntie Analogue
    An hour & nineteen minutes in, and I must call this first debate a wash, especially on the "Racism" exchanges that perhaps gave a slight edge to Mr. Trump's law & order emphasis.

    It's not really a debate. It's all been finger-pointing, and both candidates are weak on statistics.

    Mrs. Clinton lied about murder being down - the latest stats out today show 1,500 more murders last year.

    An hour & nineteen minutes and yet not one question on . . . Open Borders Perpetual Mass Third World Imminvasion.

    An hour & nineteen minutes and yet not one question on . . . Open Borders Perpetual Mass Third World Imminvasion.

    Trump tried to wedge it in, but pulled back. I agree he could have wedged harder.

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  279. bomag says:
    @Anonymous
    9:12 PM. That's enough. I can't take any more. I'm done.

    An hour of this would have been plenty, especially in this age of quick Twitter feeds, instant gratification, etc.

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  280. Coemgen says:
    @CJ
    Hillary has clearly been fed the questions beforehand. Not unexpectedly.

    Hillary has clearly been fed the questions beforehand. Not unexpectedly

    .She hasn’t been fed Trump’s debate prep – he didn’t do any.

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  281. Nico says:
    @AnotherDad
    I'd like for once to have a "conservative" candidate who is willing to stand up for me and my people.

    Right off the bat, the lead question was about jobs and economic inequality and Trump can't bring up immigration. Lots of yapping about trade--fine. But nothing about immigration, not even illegals!

    Trump let Hillary get away with the shot about his dad giving him the starter loan, and doesn't hit back with her and Bill leaving the White House "broke" and being worth $150m ... *without producing anything*, simply by collecting payola from Wall Street.

    Trump let Hillary get away with blaming Wall Street, when she is *the* candidate of Goldman Sachs.

    Trump let Hillary get away with some (weak) shots blaming Republicans, "trickle down" for the housing bubble. While the housing bubble was blown up with typical Democratic party subsidies that the Wall Streeters took advantage of, and that Hillary Clinton's owners at Goldman Sachs took advantage of. It was a classic WallStreet-Washington establishment--Hillary's sort of policies and people--looting the American people.

    Trump just let Hillary slide by on BLM. He did a decent job on how crime makes black communities crappy. But he said nothing about Hillary wrapping herself around BLM, and the riots, police killings and most of all the 15% bump in the murder rate.

    Now he's addressing the Muslim issue. He was ok--not great--trying to pin ISIS on Hillary\Obama. But he is unable to pick up the issue of Muslim immigration hatching these terrorists inside our borders. He doesn't bother to bring up her waving in 600,000+ muslims from Syria into the US. Now he yaps on in detail about his opposition to Iraq ... and never gets around to saying that Hillary voted for the Iraq war.

    Yes, I agree. Not a very substantive debate.

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  282. @utu
    Mrs. Clinton lied about murder being down – the latest stats out today show 1,500 more murders last year.
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    No, she talked about NYC.

    Uh, yes, but murder is also up in NYC as well. So then on that point, Trump is accurately correct.

    Oops….

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  283. Haha says:
    @utu
    Mrs. Clinton lied about murder being down – the latest stats out today show 1,500 more murders last year.
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    No, she talked about NYC.

    NYC murder rate up 7% 2014-2015

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  284. Haha says:
    @utu
    Mrs. Clinton lied about murder being down – the latest stats out today show 1,500 more murders last year.
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    No, she talked about NYC.

    NYC murder rate up 7% 2014-2015

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  285. Langley says:
    @Forbes
    I still can't figure out the rift over gender--lazy headline writing?

    Blind hope & narrative management.

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  286. Apologies for the possible double post:

    Why was there so much talk about bringing manufacturing back? The US still makes a lot, but many of the jobs that left, textiles, simple assembly, aren’t coming back. And if they do, they will be much more automated, like many of the manufacturing jobs here already.

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    The US still makes a lot, but many of the jobs that left, textiles, simple assembly, aren’t coming back. And if they do, they will be much more automated, like many of the manufacturing jobs here already.

    Any factory here is likely better than having the factory overseas. The factory has to be built = jobs. The factory has to be maintained = jobs. Delivery of goods and of finished products = jobs. Tax base increased due to physical plant. Design work benefits from proximity to manufacturing base. The factory could be a Dark Factory and there are still benefits to having it located here.
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  287. Nico says:

    Hillary Clinton is upset because Donald Trump says “women shouldn’t get equal pay to men unless they do the same work”? Talk about self-revealing self-exposure!

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    Hillary Clinton is upset because Donald Trump says “women shouldn’t get equal pay to men unless they do the same work”?
     
    Yes, that was what I heard her say ... it was probably a WTF moment for a lot of viewers.

    Hillary is running from the left even more than I expected. Bill Clinton and James Carville obviously don't have much input this year.
    , @AndrewR
    Glad I'm not the only one who picked up on that. Trump is an idiot for not tearing her apart over that.

    "Yes, Hillary. I don't think women should receive equal pay to men unless they're doing equal work. Would you like to explain to our audience why you think women deserve the same pay as men no matter what?"

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  288. Decent debate… I got good and sozzled.

    Hillary won convincingly. (I think I’m sympathetic to Trump :/.) Trump is too easily riled up, too twitchy, too arrogant to prepare (because Hillary, as she said, did prepare), too inexperienced politically, and frankly illiterate.

    “Secretary” Clinton on the other hand slept well last night, was on good uppers, had prepared, can lie masterfully, and to pay her a genuine compliment, has been in politics for very very long and is good at it.

    Late stage empire :/.

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  289. Shaq says:

    Sadly, Clinton wiped the floor with Trump. She was controlled and showed stamina. Her political background came through via attention to detail and “inside baseball” comments, while his CEO “big picture/no detail” view was a negative.

    The good news is that it’s “debate” #1, but minds may be made up at this point.

    He was not prepared, or he took it too lightly. He has to distill the message to three or four points and redirect the conversation regardless of stated topic.

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  290. WGG says:

    This was painful to watch. Trump did not knock her out. I hope, that as we have seen in his strategy before, he is deliberately sandbagging so that he can soar past her when it matters at the end.

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  291. Went better than expected. This debate confirmed Cruz was unelectable.

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  292. Wowee, the fix was in on that line of questions all talking points for Hillary to claim. BLM, Obama birth certificate (what a massive issue – ridiculous), Wymins issues (being mean to women), Hacking (brought up in a way to promote Hillary doing Russia conspiracy). Race, Wymins and Russia basically major debate points.

    Trade and economy given short shrift. Nothing at all on Clinton email scandals, nor her corruption, nor the betrayal of women.

    That being said, Trump did not go in hard and bring these points up! He had to turn the tables in this debate, especially as it was obvious the moderator was against him, constant interruptions, arguing with Trump, basically taking Hillary’s position.

    Looked pretty even outcome to me, if not Hillary looking better since people perceive Trump as attacking poor defenseless woman.

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    Does anyone have a tally of confrontational questions asked by the moderator? It looked like Trump got quite a few with none for Hillary (did I miss any?).

    Hillary did well IMHO. My compliments to her medical team. She looked a little unsteady walking to the crowd afterwards, but much better than I expected. How high were her heels? I'm surprised she was willing to add to her chances of falling like that. I'd love to know if she was fed the questions. She was so quick with well developed answers for some of them, but that might have just been good prep and knowing the moderator was relatively friendly.

    The optimistic Democrat message sounds wonderful. For example, we'll bring all those jobs back. Trump was dead right to hammer her on how Obama has had eight years already to do that so why hasn't it happened yet (and the solar panel jab was good). But I think for her supporters butterflies and balloons win over harsh reality speak.
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  293. res says:
    @AndrewR
    I'm on my phone and the facebook post is not formatted properly so I didn't read it. The reporter should have summarized the post better. I hope you feel better after insulting me in two comments. I hope your white knighting goes well. Maybe the anonymous cop's daughter will give you a piece of her cake in appreciation for you insulting strangers in her honor.

    I’m on my phone and the facebook post is not formatted properly so I didn’t read it.

    I read the article twice.

    OK. At least the formatting problem makes sense (a bit contrary to your other statement though). Perhaps next time be a little slower to criticize if you are using a device which doesn’t properly display the article.

    As for me “insulting” you. If you can’t take it don’t dish it out. I treat people as they treat others (especially me) as can be seen by looking at my other comments. Anyone interested can also see how you treat people by reading your other comments.

    And to revisit how this all started, here is your original post.

    Why didnt she go to the manager before making a big deal on social media? Screw her.

    As I’ve said twice before (and documented above): Completely wrong and obnoxious. But I suppose calling you on that is an insult or “white knighting” or something.

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    The reporter messed up by omitting that part. My anger at the girl was more appropriately directed at the incompetent reporter. I messed up just like you and the reporter did.

    And again, I didn't attack you so your hostility towards me was pure white knighting. Even if my hostility was misplaced or outright uncalled for (a difficult claim to make on an enotionally charged article like this), you didn't need to rush in and insult me. You could have simply pointed out my error without the rudeness. Say what you want about my original comment, the girl almost certainly never was going to read it. It was just venting into the dark and no actual persons had any reason to be offended by it. Then you took it to the next level by directly insulting me, who you knew was likely to read it, for the crime of insulting someone you don't know. 100% white knighting.

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  294. @ATX Hipster
    Good on Trump for bringing up the connection between Birther allegations and Clinton's 08 campaign. And awesome to claim victory for being the one to force Obama to present his birth certificate.

    But he didn’t explain it very well. We bloggeratti knew what he was talking about, but could Joe Sixpack follow that?

    Also when Hillary said that there was “no evidence” for birtherism, Trump should have followed Derb’s lead and mentioned that Obama’s own literary agent was the original source of the rumors:

    http://www.vdare.com/radios/radio-derb-the-wonk-gap-obamas-birtherism-and-three-cheers-for-nativism-etc

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    But he didn’t explain it very well. We bloggeratti knew what he was talking about, but could Joe Sixpack follow that?

    Also when Hillary said that there was “no evidence” for birtherism, Trump should have followed Derb’s lead and mentioned that Obama’s own literary agent was the original source of the rumors:

     

    He didn't mention that?

    That's why I couldn't bring myself to watch the debate. I knew Trump would be a disaster.
    , @ATX Hipster
    Good point. I was listening from the perspective of an iSteve reader. I'd like to think a confused low-info voter who caught that will fire up the Google box and do some digging, but... probably not.
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  295. I thought Trump’s point that Hillary has been the Establishment for 20-30 years and hasn’t accomplished much was pretty good–she has lots of experience, but it’s bad experience–even if he didn’t always stick the landing.

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    The one big takeaway; she's a vote for more of the same, $20 trillion and counting.She talks a lot, but has done nothing.

    No immigration, nor pay for play, barely any terrorism. And Lester interrupted Trump a great deal. Hillary rambled on all night.
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  296. Tiny Duck says:

    Trump just got drubbed. Was embarrassing to watch. I sort of feel sorry for Trump supporters. What utter humiliation. Hillary was articulate and professional.

    Ms Clinton just clinched the presidency. November will be the biggest landslide in history.

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    "November will be the biggest landslide in history." Bigger than Harding over Cox, Coolidge over Davis, any of FDR's elections? Sure, Truth!
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  297. But he didn’t explain it very well. We bloggeratti knew what he was talking about, but could Joe Sixpack follow that?

    The hypothetical Joe Sixpack is already in the Trump camp. Donald Trump crushes Hillary Clinton among white men without college degrees 76 percent to 17 percent.

    Joe Sixpack trusts Trump to understand the issue, and is not bothered about Trump not spelling it out precisely for him.

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    By "Joe Sixpack" I just meant "John Smith" not "Trump voter."

    But it would have been great to mention the literary agent's promotional book describing Obama as having been born in Kenya. Some fact checkers would have had to deal with that.
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  298. Trump’s worst line was about the Trump hotel near the White House–that he’ll make it Pennsylvania Avenue one way or the other. A winner should never talk about losing.

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    It amazed me. Trump was ridiculing himself, yet he didn't even know it.
    , @res

    Trump’s worst line was about the Trump hotel near the White House–that he’ll make it Pennsylvania Avenue one way or the other. A winner should never talk about losing.
     
    I was shocked he did that.
    , @Neil Templeton
    I thought it was funny, making light of the Presidency - the Precious.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    That was dumb. He lapsed into self-promoting real-estate magnate mode. Inappropriate and crass, and I say that as a supporter.
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  299. @Svigor

    IIRC, Hillary never did anything to Flowers; if Flowers hates Hillary it’s just the standard “Why wouldn’t he leave her for me?” rivalry.
     
    If Flowers hates Illary, maybe it's because Illary is a warmonger. Or because she's an open-borders fanatic. Or because she's in the pocket of the oligarch class. Or because she's on Team Black Crime. Or because she's led the charge to ruin the women Bill raped and harassed. Or because she's a very unlikeable person who is loathed by millions of Americans.

    But this is a low blow, because he’s attacking with the person who victimized Hillary, rather than the people whom Hillary victimized.
     
    Bill victimized Illary. Flowers wasn't married to her. As for low blows, there are no more low blows from Trump. They've been defined out of existence. They are all now mercy blows; anything that puts her away is an act of mercy for Illary, and the country. It would be cruel to make a dying woman Commander in Chief. Cruel for her, cruel for America.

    “Bill victimized Illary. Flowers wasn’t married to her.”

    Flowers was a homewrecker, and that is not a morally neutral act in my book.

    Furthermore, if Hillary sees her that way too, it scuppers the rumor that she is some kind of power mad crypto lesbian in a sham marriage. I don’t see how it’s in Trump’s interest to frame the debate as Team Homewrecker vs Team Loving Wife.

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  300. Bugg says:
    @Percy Gryce
    I thought Trump's point that Hillary has been the Establishment for 20-30 years and hasn't accomplished much was pretty good--she has lots of experience, but it's bad experience--even if he didn't always stick the landing.

    The one big takeaway; she’s a vote for more of the same, $20 trillion and counting.She talks a lot, but has done nothing.

    No immigration, nor pay for play, barely any terrorism. And Lester interrupted Trump a great deal. Hillary rambled on all night.

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    You are right. No immigration and instead of asking Hillary about why she voted for the Iraq War, the focus was on Trump and whether an appearance on Howard Stern constituted support for that war.

    Also, of what importance is the birth certificate thing? Totally a waste of time and something made to make Trump look bad.

    All in all I feel Trump did what he needed to do. First, like many I was hoping that Hillary would have one of her coughing fits. But the meds were working. But the main thing was for Trump to show he was not crazy. And he did that. Everyone knew Hillary would be like the valedictorian who had just completed studying during finals week. Her job was to make Trump look bad. She clearly tried and baited him several times. At times I was worried he'd lose it, but he didn't. I think he showed he could be presidential.

    Also, a friend of mine brought up a good point. Hillary said she was taking Michelle's advice and was taking the high road. Yet several times tonight she inserted attacks into her response. Additionally she has spent millions on negative ads. It would be a great contrast to show her saying she is taking the high road juxtaposed with the negative ads and negative jibes she gave tonight.

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  301. @PiltdownMan

    But he didn’t explain it very well. We bloggeratti knew what he was talking about, but could Joe Sixpack follow that?
     
    The hypothetical Joe Sixpack is already in the Trump camp. Donald Trump crushes Hillary Clinton among white men without college degrees 76 percent to 17 percent.

    Joe Sixpack trusts Trump to understand the issue, and is not bothered about Trump not spelling it out precisely for him.

    By “Joe Sixpack” I just meant “John Smith” not “Trump voter.”

    But it would have been great to mention the literary agent’s promotional book describing Obama as having been born in Kenya. Some fact checkers would have had to deal with that.

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  302. @TangoMan
    I don't like that I'm seeing reports that Trump is not preparing for this debate.

    He didn’t prepare. If he had, he wouldn’t have omitted even mentioning Clinton’s hugest mistake: the “basket of deplorables.”

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  303. res says:
    @Pat Hannagan
    Wowee, the fix was in on that line of questions all talking points for Hillary to claim. BLM, Obama birth certificate (what a massive issue - ridiculous), Wymins issues (being mean to women), Hacking (brought up in a way to promote Hillary doing Russia conspiracy). Race, Wymins and Russia basically major debate points.

    Trade and economy given short shrift. Nothing at all on Clinton email scandals, nor her corruption, nor the betrayal of women.

    That being said, Trump did not go in hard and bring these points up! He had to turn the tables in this debate, especially as it was obvious the moderator was against him, constant interruptions, arguing with Trump, basically taking Hillary's position.

    Looked pretty even outcome to me, if not Hillary looking better since people perceive Trump as attacking poor defenseless woman.

    Does anyone have a tally of confrontational questions asked by the moderator? It looked like Trump got quite a few with none for Hillary (did I miss any?).

    Hillary did well IMHO. My compliments to her medical team. She looked a little unsteady walking to the crowd afterwards, but much better than I expected. How high were her heels? I’m surprised she was willing to add to her chances of falling like that. I’d love to know if she was fed the questions. She was so quick with well developed answers for some of them, but that might have just been good prep and knowing the moderator was relatively friendly.

    The optimistic Democrat message sounds wonderful. For example, we’ll bring all those jobs back. Trump was dead right to hammer her on how Obama has had eight years already to do that so why hasn’t it happened yet (and the solar panel jab was good). But I think for her supporters butterflies and balloons win over harsh reality speak.

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    Agree 100% with your assessment. I would like to go over that debate again and score the questions (partisan - yes/no), interruptions, moderator asserting something as fact (don't recall him hammering Hillary on anything and stating her facts are incorrect).

    Best message for Trump was Hillary has had 30 years and done nothing to fix all these problems she suddenly has solutions for.

    Hillary looked well to me, and this is thing probably a lot of people were watching closely. So, she scores well on that.

    Due to nature of questions being setups to attack Trump's weak points he came across as defensive. Lost the race question by appealing to how he's now in touch with black community. Needed to hammer his point about blacks and hispanics suffering under Obama.

    Same for being nasty to women. Should be prepared to attack Hillary as betrayer of women.

    Felt agitated at end of that and I think because Trump did not win, and lasting impression is of composed Hillary with high moral ground.

    Trump needs to prepare attack points on race, wymins, and hillary's corruption. His point that he has something on Hillary but won't say it because he doesn't want to be nasty is thought provoking. Was it a warning to some long game he has in mind?
    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Biggest disappointment were some of Trump's missed opportunities...

    When moderator asked abut cyber-security, this was a slow pitch over the plate that Trump totally missed. A nice joke about Hillary's reckless amateur hour email server could have made it clear she has no clue about cyber-security.

    On the inequality issues he should have hammered her donations by the big bankers...

    On the issue of race relations he should have framed the law and order more compassionately. Explain that most black americans are struggling under terror and make their neighborhoods safe for kids & families to go to school / library / parks. Also employment opportunities for black Americans have been especially hard hit by competition from trade and immigration. If we care about their jobs & economic prospects, only one smart choice...

    On that last attack on women he should have gone nuclear and not pulled the punches like he obviously did... He should have conceded that he really didn't want to go there on that tawdry embarrassing chapter of history, but refer to it very obliquely as a rich hypocrisy for a woman who claims to be a feminist and standing up for women's rights when her own ambitions were too important and let young vulnerable women get chewed up by a powerful guy who did some pretty predatory things....

    On the sleazy business and not paying his bills, I can't imagine how he could have responded... at best he could refer to happy contractors or explain that business is tough and sometime people try to rip you off and take advantage of you and he doesn't put up with it and when he's in charge of the federal government that he'll be tough to make sure that the public gets a good value and what it's promised.

    Foreign policy... He should have compared the Iran deal to North Korea. We had promises from North Korea that her husband extracted. How are those working out? How are we so confident that the Iranians have bargained in good faith?
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  304. Tiny Duck says:

    What People of Color think about the debate.

    http://verysmartbrothas.com/2016-presidential-debate-i-open-thread/

    They hate Trump

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  305. @Percy Gryce
    Trump's worst line was about the Trump hotel near the White House--that he'll make it Pennsylvania Avenue one way or the other. A winner should never talk about losing.

    It amazed me. Trump was ridiculing himself, yet he didn’t even know it.

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    People with a broad and capacious view appreciate Trump's self-deprecation.

    HRC, on the other hand, is as serious as a fatal heart attack. Which is what she wants to inflict upon America.

    Vote Trump, or get on your hands and knees and lick the boots of your masters.
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  306. res says:
    @Percy Gryce
    Trump's worst line was about the Trump hotel near the White House--that he'll make it Pennsylvania Avenue one way or the other. A winner should never talk about losing.

    Trump’s worst line was about the Trump hotel near the White House–that he’ll make it Pennsylvania Avenue one way or the other. A winner should never talk about losing.

    I was shocked he did that.

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  307. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Lot
    Hillary will probably win the debate, but the media will declare Trump the winner because they want a real horserace and to raise expectations for Debate II.

    Sure the media wants Trump to lose the election, but they want it close and interesting too.

    That’s insane.

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  308. But he didn’t explain it very well.

    But he did. He tied it to Blumenthal. Blumenthal is a lifelong political whore sharing the Clintonian agenda of subjugating the middle class to serfdom. If you want more than Trump provided, then watch a rerun of Murder She Wrote.

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  309. @Percy Gryce
    But he didn't explain it very well. We bloggeratti knew what he was talking about, but could Joe Sixpack follow that?

    Also when Hillary said that there was "no evidence" for birtherism, Trump should have followed Derb's lead and mentioned that Obama's own literary agent was the original source of the rumors:

    http://www.vdare.com/radios/radio-derb-the-wonk-gap-obamas-birtherism-and-three-cheers-for-nativism-etc

    But he didn’t explain it very well. We bloggeratti knew what he was talking about, but could Joe Sixpack follow that?

    Also when Hillary said that there was “no evidence” for birtherism, Trump should have followed Derb’s lead and mentioned that Obama’s own literary agent was the original source of the rumors:

    He didn’t mention that?

    That’s why I couldn’t bring myself to watch the debate. I knew Trump would be a disaster.

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  310. Mr T did not bring his A game tonight. The radio coverage was clear enough to hear that he seems to have a cold. He was meandering too much like he might do at a campaign rally, and not delivering concise, pithy points and counterpunches. The questions and format favored cool, smug Hiltron, and she was clearly anticipating most of his points. Given that her unfavorables are still way high, he should be able to bounce back within a week. The Donald can make a sub-par showing like he did & still not be damaged because of the increasing awareness that the MSM & the Clintons are all part of same rotten establishment taking the country down. Anyway, this was the wake up call he needed – the Clintons are the slickest, most Machiavellian political machine in generations and he will have to be laser sharp, fully practiced, to get a decisive win.

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    he will have to be laser sharp, fully practiced, to get a decisive win.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI
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  311. @AnotherDad
    I'd like for once to have a "conservative" candidate who is willing to stand up for me and my people.

    Right off the bat, the lead question was about jobs and economic inequality and Trump can't bring up immigration. Lots of yapping about trade--fine. But nothing about immigration, not even illegals!

    Trump let Hillary get away with the shot about his dad giving him the starter loan, and doesn't hit back with her and Bill leaving the White House "broke" and being worth $150m ... *without producing anything*, simply by collecting payola from Wall Street.

    Trump let Hillary get away with blaming Wall Street, when she is *the* candidate of Goldman Sachs.

    Trump let Hillary get away with some (weak) shots blaming Republicans, "trickle down" for the housing bubble. While the housing bubble was blown up with typical Democratic party subsidies that the Wall Streeters took advantage of, and that Hillary Clinton's owners at Goldman Sachs took advantage of. It was a classic WallStreet-Washington establishment--Hillary's sort of policies and people--looting the American people.

    Trump just let Hillary slide by on BLM. He did a decent job on how crime makes black communities crappy. But he said nothing about Hillary wrapping herself around BLM, and the riots, police killings and most of all the 15% bump in the murder rate.

    Now he's addressing the Muslim issue. He was ok--not great--trying to pin ISIS on Hillary\Obama. But he is unable to pick up the issue of Muslim immigration hatching these terrorists inside our borders. He doesn't bother to bring up her waving in 600,000+ muslims from Syria into the US. Now he yaps on in detail about his opposition to Iraq ... and never gets around to saying that Hillary voted for the Iraq war.

    “Right off the bat, the lead question was about jobs and economic inequality and Trump can’t bring up immigration. Lots of yapping about trade–fine. But nothing about immigration, not even illegals!”

    My dear AnotherDad, you’re right about that. It was a golden opportunity for Mr, Trump to have demolished Mrs. Clinton right at the outset, and he failed to seize it.

    Also, when Hillary said her private e-mail server was “a mistake,” Mr. Trump blew the opportunity to shoot back with, “It’s a deliberate violation of federal espionage law.”

    Trump also blew the birther question by talking too long about it. He should have simply dumped it on Blumenthal and Hillary, and then said, “We’re done. It’s done. Let’s move on.”

    It did appear that Mr. Trump did not prepare, or prepared poorly, for the face-off.

    Overall, as much as I dislike having to say it: slight edge to Mrs. Clinton, yet the fight goes on.

    The worst of the fallout is that Dems and their Enemedia-Pravda cheerleaders now have something to crow about and beaucoup sound-bites to cherry pick, while we Deplorables sit scratching our heads.

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    naah. Trump will be fine. She basically unloaded as much of the grievances she has collected on him tonight, in her own deplorable basket. She went on and on...blah, blah, blah about wonkystuff nobody cares about. If she brings this stuff up again, like his "damn taxes," she's done.

    Sometimes you have to play the long game. And, Trump is very good at the long game. There are 2 more debates. Trump decided to play the nicey-nice game and not be too much of a d*ck. He could have destroyed her with our country's espionage laws (the emails) that she broke, Libya etc. But, it was in his best interest to be neutral since you have to save the best for last and all that.

    Frankly, I was so fracking bored. She went on and on with verbose platitudes that I absolutely expected her to launch into. I was dozing off on the sofa. There's no way in hell Millennials are voting for that. Free college (never gonna happen in the USA) is bull sh*t if there are only sh*t service industry jobs waiting for you.

    Trump could have gone to town with her Deplorables remark, but it was just fine, boring, but fine to just get through tonight. Most of his supporters don't care at all about the debates....they've made up their minds. I don't see any campaign signs nor bumper stickers for her, and it is almost the end of September. People are going to vote in complete secrecy. More and more people just hate the MSM more and more, day after day. Hillary Clinton provides no new new. She is Wall Street's b*tch, but we won't bend over to Wall Street.

    As far as Holt, I thought he was a total tool. She was given light questions and went on and on and on. And, he was always told to speed up. Holt interrupted Trump, but never interrupted Clinton. She kept calling Trump 'Donald' like the p*ssy whipper she is, while all the time he called her Mrs. Secretary.

    I hated her smarmyness about Sidney Blumenthal...he hasn't been thrown under the bus (like Powell), yet. However, we won't have to listen to the sh*t we were forced to tonight, anymore about "racism, women, white men bad, police bad." Oh lordy, I didn't even feel like drinking tonight while watching this with my closest friend - and that would be a first for Patsy and Eddi to be too bored to have some drinks.

    Blah, blah, blah...just won't do, it's just won't do.
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  312. @Stephen R. Diamond
    It amazed me. Trump was ridiculing himself, yet he didn't even know it.

    People with a broad and capacious view appreciate Trump’s self-deprecation.

    HRC, on the other hand, is as serious as a fatal heart attack. Which is what she wants to inflict upon America.

    Vote Trump, or get on your hands and knees and lick the boots of your masters.

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  313. AKAHorace says:

    Sailer called it a few months ago. Supports Trump but says he is not a good debater.

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    Actually, Steve and I had a disagreement a week or two ago (in the comments to a post), in which Steve gave Trump an advantage in the debate due to what Steve saw as good debate talent. I contended that while Trump was good ad-libbing on the stump, he was poor in a debate format.
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  314. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    Hillary win after very lowered expectations. Also Trump stays just a little too long on the doom notes before offering positive policy proposals. I didn’t like his acceptance speech because he spent a long time listing failures and threats before going positive. You should intersperse that shit, so it’s “they fucked this here up; here’s how we’re going to fix it. They fucked that up; here’s how we’re going to fix it”, like a rhythm. But who knows anything?

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  315. SportsFan says:

    Grades:
    Clinton: A-
    Trump: C+

    Hillary looked completely unflustered, lied like the psychopath that she is, had very good body language for someone in her health condition, and some pretty good rejoinders. Her lines of attack were clearly well prepared and well executed.

    Trump seemed rushed as though he was running out of breath, kept sniffing as though he had a runny nose, and doing his eye rolls and making that pinched mouth expression which appeal to no one but his diehard fans. He passed up a lot of opportunities to attack Hillary, instead going into losing defensive rants.

    He can’t speak in complete sentences to save his life (or his candidacy). It’s a tangent upon a parenthetical clause upon tangent x10, and constant unfinished sentences. It may work OK during campaign stops in front of a sympathetic audience, but is completely maddening to listen to for 90 minutes when he’s under fire from Hillary, the hostile moderator, and the mostly unfriendly audience.

    Unprepared, rushed, defensive, and fairly incoherent sounding in form, if not in content.
    Not good. I expect him to drop by several points this week.

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    I agree 100% with your assessment (unfortunately).
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  316. AKAHorace says:

    Well, phew nothing to worry about.

    Brietbart poll says that Trump won the debate.

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    they are delusional. Trump did OK. But should have returned time after time on the things she is wrong about. Trade with China. Stop and frisk. Deficit spending. Increasing taxes and regulations on businesses operating in the US.
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  317. @Tiny Duck
    Trump just got drubbed. Was embarrassing to watch. I sort of feel sorry for Trump supporters. What utter humiliation. Hillary was articulate and professional.

    Ms Clinton just clinched the presidency. November will be the biggest landslide in history.

    “November will be the biggest landslide in history.” Bigger than Harding over Cox, Coolidge over Davis, any of FDR’s elections? Sure, Truth!

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  318. iSteveFan says:
    @Bugg
    The one big takeaway; she's a vote for more of the same, $20 trillion and counting.She talks a lot, but has done nothing.

    No immigration, nor pay for play, barely any terrorism. And Lester interrupted Trump a great deal. Hillary rambled on all night.

    You are right. No immigration and instead of asking Hillary about why she voted for the Iraq War, the focus was on Trump and whether an appearance on Howard Stern constituted support for that war.

    Also, of what importance is the birth certificate thing? Totally a waste of time and something made to make Trump look bad.

    All in all I feel Trump did what he needed to do. First, like many I was hoping that Hillary would have one of her coughing fits. But the meds were working. But the main thing was for Trump to show he was not crazy. And he did that. Everyone knew Hillary would be like the valedictorian who had just completed studying during finals week. Her job was to make Trump look bad. She clearly tried and baited him several times. At times I was worried he’d lose it, but he didn’t. I think he showed he could be presidential.

    Also, a friend of mine brought up a good point. Hillary said she was taking Michelle’s advice and was taking the high road. Yet several times tonight she inserted attacks into her response. Additionally she has spent millions on negative ads. It would be a great contrast to show her saying she is taking the high road juxtaposed with the negative ads and negative jibes she gave tonight.

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    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
    One key game changer for debate #2 is that the MSM/HRC have already played their big cards against DJT which took over a big chunk of tonight: tax returns, reality tv bluster, use of bankruptcy protection, & allegations of supporting Iraq invasion. Those have now been rebutted or at least neutralized. DJT should now have open season to expose her on Libya, Syria, ISIS, trade deals, immigration, Clinton foundation pay to play, email deletions, cronyism & the need to eject the careerist political class. If he needs to fend off any more attacks on "women's issues" it may be time to take off the gloves and expose her support of Bill's sordid history from Paula to Monica...
    , @Abe

    All in all I feel Trump did what he needed to do. First, like many I was hoping that Hillary would have one of her coughing fits. But the meds were working. But the main thing was for Trump to show he was not crazy. And he did that. Everyone knew Hillary would be like the valedictorian who had just completed studying during finals week. Her job was to make Trump look bad. She clearly tried and baited him several times. At times I was worried he’d lose it, but he didn’t. I think he showed he could be presidential.
     
    As the kids say, THIS. Using a boxing metaphor, Trump knocked down his opponent in the first round with that effective "you've had 30 years to fix it" refrain, then knocked her down again with more strong shots (which the ref/talking head analysts would pretend was just a slip), but couldn't finish her off to earn the TKO, instead jabbing and clinching for the rest of the fight until it went to the judges. In effect I'd call it TYSON-RUDDUCK II.

    Overall, I don't this debate will matter too much to the final outcome, as both candidates avoided the sort of terrible, self-destruct moments that get played years later in the documentary reels. But overall Trump benefits the most from that. He came across as real, and his main mission now is to convince Mr. and Mrs. Squishy Undecided R-leaning Voter from North Carolina's Research Triangle and Denver's suburbs that he is not too big a buffoon or too much of an extremist to be the next President. And the way he played rope-a-dope on the birther issue, "race in America", etc. was pretty effective as he avoided the sort of gaffe they were clearly hoping he'd fall in to. I don't think they are going to bring those issues up again if the moderators are to claim any semblance of integrity, as they have now been played.

    And while I admit this is my own personal bias, Hillary came across TERRIBLY. Her "zingers" were artificial when they did not fall completely flat. She never once seemed to express a genuine emotion, and the way she looked when she faced the camera full-on and smiled- my God!- the hungry lesbian with an overbite looked like some hideous space creature delighted to have eaten its first human baby. ALIEN would've looked more likeable.
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  319. @res
    Does anyone have a tally of confrontational questions asked by the moderator? It looked like Trump got quite a few with none for Hillary (did I miss any?).

    Hillary did well IMHO. My compliments to her medical team. She looked a little unsteady walking to the crowd afterwards, but much better than I expected. How high were her heels? I'm surprised she was willing to add to her chances of falling like that. I'd love to know if she was fed the questions. She was so quick with well developed answers for some of them, but that might have just been good prep and knowing the moderator was relatively friendly.

    The optimistic Democrat message sounds wonderful. For example, we'll bring all those jobs back. Trump was dead right to hammer her on how Obama has had eight years already to do that so why hasn't it happened yet (and the solar panel jab was good). But I think for her supporters butterflies and balloons win over harsh reality speak.

    Agree 100% with your assessment. I would like to go over that debate again and score the questions (partisan – yes/no), interruptions, moderator asserting something as fact (don’t recall him hammering Hillary on anything and stating her facts are incorrect).

    Best message for Trump was Hillary has had 30 years and done nothing to fix all these problems she suddenly has solutions for.

    Hillary looked well to me, and this is thing probably a lot of people were watching closely. So, she scores well on that.

    Due to nature of questions being setups to attack Trump’s weak points he came across as defensive. Lost the race question by appealing to how he’s now in touch with black community. Needed to hammer his point about blacks and hispanics suffering under Obama.

    Same for being nasty to women. Should be prepared to attack Hillary as betrayer of women.

    Felt agitated at end of that and I think because Trump did not win, and lasting impression is of composed Hillary with high moral ground.

    Trump needs to prepare attack points on race, wymins, and hillary’s corruption. His point that he has something on Hillary but won’t say it because he doesn’t want to be nasty is thought provoking. Was it a warning to some long game he has in mind?

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    We will soon see if her health was just a temporary thing, or if it is a real issue. She sequestered for about a week for this debate while Trump was actively campaigning. Sure, she summoned the strength for this 90 minute match. But, will she be able to go out tomorrow and the next day and campaign? Or will she have to take 3 days off to recover?

    If she doesn't start a new campaign tour of several sites this week, we will know that her strength is not there and that she must conserve herself for singular big moments. Meanwhile Trump will probably be giving a major speech in front of a big crowd in a few hours.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    His point that he has something on Hillary

    When he spoke with Hannity immediately after the debate he said that what he didn't want to bring up was Bill's flagrant and scandalous adultery.
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  320. Trump did very well domestically. But kills himself on FP. What would he do in place of the Iran deal? What does “kicking the hell out of ISIS” accomplish? Do we occupy the territory after defeating them? Does not matter if Japan and other countries pay more for our troops. Does nothing about the big problem – that the US has troops overseas and could be drawn into nuclear war if an ally is attacked.

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  321. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Sailer is right that Trump is not the strongest debater, while Hillary is quite polished and effective at these things, presumably because she’s been doing them for so long.

    Also all the hype about her health made her look better than she was. I was sort of half expecting her to collapse or go into a massive coughing fit, so when she didn’t, she looked more vigorous than she actually is.

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    presumably because she’s been doing them for so long
     
    Also because she has the higher IQ.
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  322. iSteveFan says:

    Not that it means anything, but Trump is currently winning at Time Magazine’s online poll.

    It’s one thing to win at Drudge and Breibart, but another to win at Time. I know it’s not scientific, but hey, it’s something.

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    It is certainly because /r/the_donald linked to that poll. Donald just did plain bad. No practice, and it showed. He should of talked about Immigration, completely ignored the birthism rather than be defensive. He should of hit her on wall street donations and speeches more when she mad the attack on his tax plan. His talking points on foreign policy need to be polished up. Steve was right about him being a weak debater. He'll probably lose about 1-2% points in the poll. Given how close this race is, it means the world. Overall very weak given the ample opportunity to strike.
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  323. @AKAHorace
    Well, phew nothing to worry about.


    Brietbart poll says that Trump won the debate.

    they are delusional. Trump did OK. But should have returned time after time on the things she is wrong about. Trade with China. Stop and frisk. Deficit spending. Increasing taxes and regulations on businesses operating in the US.

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  324. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @AKAHorace
    Sailer called it a few months ago. Supports Trump but says he is not a good debater.

    Actually, Steve and I had a disagreement a week or two ago (in the comments to a post), in which Steve gave Trump an advantage in the debate due to what Steve saw as good debate talent. I contended that while Trump was good ad-libbing on the stump, he was poor in a debate format.

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  325. iSteveFan says:
    @Pat Hannagan
    Agree 100% with your assessment. I would like to go over that debate again and score the questions (partisan - yes/no), interruptions, moderator asserting something as fact (don't recall him hammering Hillary on anything and stating her facts are incorrect).

    Best message for Trump was Hillary has had 30 years and done nothing to fix all these problems she suddenly has solutions for.

    Hillary looked well to me, and this is thing probably a lot of people were watching closely. So, she scores well on that.

    Due to nature of questions being setups to attack Trump's weak points he came across as defensive. Lost the race question by appealing to how he's now in touch with black community. Needed to hammer his point about blacks and hispanics suffering under Obama.

    Same for being nasty to women. Should be prepared to attack Hillary as betrayer of women.

    Felt agitated at end of that and I think because Trump did not win, and lasting impression is of composed Hillary with high moral ground.

    Trump needs to prepare attack points on race, wymins, and hillary's corruption. His point that he has something on Hillary but won't say it because he doesn't want to be nasty is thought provoking. Was it a warning to some long game he has in mind?

    We will soon see if her health was just a temporary thing, or if it is a real issue. She sequestered for about a week for this debate while Trump was actively campaigning. Sure, she summoned the strength for this 90 minute match. But, will she be able to go out tomorrow and the next day and campaign? Or will she have to take 3 days off to recover?

    If she doesn’t start a new campaign tour of several sites this week, we will know that her strength is not there and that she must conserve herself for singular big moments. Meanwhile Trump will probably be giving a major speech in front of a big crowd in a few hours.

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    These debates are the big ticket item though aren't they? This is where you can sway people who won't be going to campaign trail events and the like.

    Trump needs to get out of the blocks hard and fast at kickoff and attack the moderator as biased. Make it open and keep querying where moderator is coming from. Create a sense of conspiracy for corrupt incumbent. The moderator is Hillary's main defense so Trump needs to take him out early and unsteady him, ruffle him, embarrass him. Get some dirt on moderator and inject that.

    Don't get into argument with moderator, ask him why this quesiton and not that question? Who wrote that question? Is this question important or of very little significance? Insinuate some inside deal. This will also get audience focused on moderator as being in on some fix and they will watch him and Hillary's response.

    How many more debates are there anyway?

    , @Clyde

    But, will she be able to go out tomorrow and the next day and campaign? Or will she have to take 3 days off to recover?
     
    You mean seven days. Trump should criticize her health and stamina every day she is not out there campaigning. Trump should say, "When a Presidential race is this close both candidates are out there every day campaigning. Except for Hillary who is still in recovery from the last debate which obviously took a lot out of her."

    Hillary has two more debates to soldier through and she will crap out in at least one of them. Have an incident showing off her poor health.

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  326. CJ says:
    @Nico
    Hillary Clinton is upset because Donald Trump says "women shouldn't get equal pay to men unless they do the same work"? Talk about self-revealing self-exposure!

    Hillary Clinton is upset because Donald Trump says “women shouldn’t get equal pay to men unless they do the same work”?

    Yes, that was what I heard her say … it was probably a WTF moment for a lot of viewers.

    Hillary is running from the left even more than I expected. Bill Clinton and James Carville obviously don’t have much input this year.

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    I was hoping that Trump would reply to that with something like "yes, I think that women should get equal pay for actually equal work. Not sure how you can disagree with that". The man has common sense on his side but he can't seem wield it as a weapon.
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  327. Trump needs to stay on message better.
    Left points on table .
    No major gaffes.
    Looked more authentic.
    She was boring .
    She was more disciplined .
    Her pivots to insults were awkward.
    Her attempt to say he was nuclear scary was totally unconvincing.
    She looked stronger than expected.
    On points , tie or slight edge to her.
    However, agree with Krauthammer, tie helps him more .
    He looked just as presidential.

    Not sure what his strategy was.
    Wall not mentioned.
    Muslim vetting not mentioned.
    Didn’t go after emails.
    Tough call how to act with schizophrenic feminism out there.
    Not sure substance mattered that much, though.
    Holt/questions a little biased towards Hillary.
    Trump blew best opportunity of night on cybersecurity question.
    Should have been grand slam.
    Instead he gets to first after catcher misses third strike.
    A little anticlimactic.

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    Her attempt to say he was nuclear scary was totally unconvincing.
     
    Something that probably flew under most people's radar was his decent answer on nukes. Here is a tweet from Justin Raimondo who is the guy at Antiwar.com. So it makes sense Justin fixated on this.

    "I would certainly not do first [nuclear] strike,” Trump said. “Once the nuclear alternative happens, it’s over.” Hillary? [[[crickets]]]
     
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  328. I think both Trump and Hillary did a respectable job fighting against their own negative images — Trump looked both stable and in decent command of his subjects, counteracting the perception that he was a crazy guy who should be kept far away from any nuclear codes, and Hillary appeared to be healthy enough, counteracting the image she got at the 9/11 ceremony.

    My guess is that the debate will do Trump more good than Hillary, because the doubts about him were more severe, encouraged as they have been by the media (and in truth by his own rather reckless comments earlier in the election cycle).

    Trump’s best hope is to make this a change election, in which he is seen as at least a reliable character as Hillary, but as a new party who might effect real change. I think he made some real headway with that with this debate.

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  329. iSteveFan says:

    If you go to CNN you can see that a couple of unimportant questions Lester Holt asked were clearly a setup to make Trump out to be a liar. “Trump repeats falsehoods on birtherism and Iraq War” is the headline currently at CNN.

    Why would Holt ask seemingly unimportant questions about the birth certificate and whether Trump was for the Iraq War? In both cases Hillary is the one who should have to defend herself because her acolytes spread the birth thing and the Kenyan traditional garb photo. As for Iraq, she voted to go to war.

    Yet Trump is the one who is made to look bad over these issues. I don’t know how they will play with the undecideds. Do people really think Trump’s response on Howard Stern was equivalent to Hillary voting for the real war? Do people really think his asking for Obama to release the long form was akin to Hillary’s camp starting the rumor?

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    • Replies: @Yep
    A lot of the questions were setups. The nuclear question, the cyber warfare question, the way the crime question was phrased.
    , @Lagertha
    before I go to sleep: will some of you very clever guys paste a video of one of Howard's more kinky, smarmy, funny interviews with a porn star, or some other "special guest," so we can see just how Howard's show is the apogee of political forums to be informed about the latest, crucially important domestic and international foreign policy :).
    , @Old fogey
    Am I the only one who thinks that asking questions about Obama's birth is not the same thing as lying about the issue? I recall Trump asking to see the long-form birth certificate on various occasions, but how does that constitute telling a lie?