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David Brooks Responds to My "Undocumented Irrigation" with His Own Watery Metaphors

In the New York Times, David Brooks responds to, I would guess, my February 22nd Taki’s Magazine column “Undocumented Irrigation” about what we can learn about immigration policy from California’s troubled history with water projects:

The National Death Wish
David Brooks FEB. 24, 2017

A few weeks ago, Tom Cotton and David Perdue, Republican senators from Arkansas and Georgia, introduced an immigration bill that would cut the number of legal immigrants to this country each year in half, from about a million to about 500,000.

In a press conference, Cotton offered a rationale for his bill. “There’s no denying this generation-long surge in low-skilled immigration has hurt blue-collar wages,” he said. If we can reduce the number of low-skill immigrants coming into the country, that will reduce the pool of labor, put upward pressure on wages and bring more Americans back into the labor force.

It seems like a plausible argument. That is, until you actually get out in the real world.

Cotton and Perdue’s position, which is now the mainstream Republican position, is based on the unconscious supposition that American society is like a lake, with a relatively fixed boundary. If you cut the supply of fish coming from outside, there will be more food for the ones born here.

The problem is that American society is actually more like a river. Sometimes the river is running high, with a lot of volume and flow, with lots of good stuff for everybody, and sometimes it’s running low.

Let’s illustrate the point by looking at one portion of the labor market. Right now construction is booming in many cities. This has created high demand for workers and pervasive labor shortages.

Nationwide, there are now about 200,000 unfilled construction jobs, according to the National Association of Home Builders. If America were as simple as a lake, builders would just raise wages, incomes would rise and the problem would be over.

But that hasn’t happened. …

Employers have apparently decided raising wages won’t work. …

In other words, the labor shortage hasn’t led to higher wages; it’s reduced and distorted the flow of the economic river. … When builders do have workers, they focus on high-end luxury homes, leaving affordable housing high and dry.

The essential point is that immigrants don’t take native jobs on any sort of one-to-one basis. They drive economic activity all the way down the river

For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston.

Cotton and Perdue are the second coming of those static mind-set/slow-growth/zero-sum liberals one used to meet in the 1970s. They’ll dry up the river. …

[Bold is mine.]

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  1. David Brooks thinks this country has a “labor shortage.”

    Did David Brooks used to be smart, or is my memory playing tricks on me?

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    • Replies: @SFG
    He quoted Sailer for a while, actually, then they realized what he was doing and came after him.

    He seems pretty solidly anti-Trump now.
    , @Forbes
    Brooks shamelessly takes his talking points from a lobby group, the National Association of Home Builders, citing 200,000 openings in a country while 90+ million working age adults are not in the labor force. Apparently such Home Builder employment datum analogized into a flowing river are how so-called smart people like Brooks explain complex issues like immigration and employment.

    That Brooks offered no evidence as to home builders actually paying higher wages didn't escape this reader.

    But the give-away was obvious when Brooks offered and dismissed the "unconscious supposition that American society is like a lake, with a relatively fixed boundary." Whether conscious or unconscious, it was an endorsement of open borders as a fixed assumption of American society.
    , @pyrrhus
    In Northern Illinois, unionized construction workers are frequently on unemployment, because most construction is being performed by immigrants at much lower wages and/or off the books. But David Brooks, who probably hasn't done a lick of real work in his life, knows better because Carlos Slim told him so....Hey David, why doesn't your kid leave the Israeli army and take a construction job in the US?
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  2. I’m tired of journalists and talking about how much we hate them. I’m ready to move to some other subject, such as the horse the journalists rode in on.

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    • Agree: dc.sunsets
    • Replies: @Ivy
    NYT and Brooks: remember that the road apple doesn't fall far from the horse's ass.
  3. “dying white America”

    Genocidal scum. Anyone who uses this phrase with approval is genocidal scum.

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    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    White America is "dying" because people like (((David Brooks))) have been working hard to kill it.
    , @Anonymous
    "dying white America”

    Genocidal scum. Anyone who uses this phrase with approval is genocidal scum.


    I totally agree. Reading crap like this makes me sick.
    , @Charles Pewitt
    David Brooks is a Jew.

    David Brooks pushes nation-wrecking mass immigration.

    David Brooks supports the use of mass immigration as a demographic weapon to destroy European Christian nations.
    , @e
    Mr. Brooks actually uses the term "dying white America"---no big deal. What is the big deal is that he's not about to discuss the consequences of that dying, is he? No, because that would raise the inevitable questions about achievement, productivity, and race.
    , @bomag

    ...prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston.
     
    A disgusting sentiment on multiple levels: brazenly admits that immigration helps kill off white America; offers Houston as a template for the future -- really? And it is no comfort to less-white people; I'm sure Brooks et al will get around to them in due course.
  4. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston.

    Okay!

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    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    Would David Brooks ever live in a city like Houston? How non-white is his neighborhood or his childrens' schools?
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Opi, Because I've been to Houston and there are two distinct cities.
    , @MW
    For the life of me, I can't figure out why Brooks would look at a dying America, and not want to fix it.

    I guess we're just dying. Like 90-year-olds, it's our time and there's nothing we can do about it. It's biology! Better bring on the replacements.
  5. “Nationwide, there are now about 200,000 unfilled construction jobs, according to the National Association of Home Builders.”

    LOL, Steve. Someone needs to tell Journalist Brooks that employers and employer associations always claim “shortages” of labor.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Jack, Nationwide! or 4000 workers per state, hardly a shortage that overtime can't cover.
  6. Here is Brooks’s evidence that (1) there is a labor shortage, and (2) it hasn’t led to higher wages. It seems to boil down to (1) the building industry people telling him they cannot find enough workers, and (2) his noting that wages haven’t changed. Does that fly?

    Pro or contra Brooks, it would have been helpful to see in the column an attempt by someone to explain exactly why builders cannot raise wages.

    By the way, I find his river/lake metaphor to be very confusing.

    Nationwide, there are now about 200,000 unfilled construction jobs, according to the National Association of Home Builders. If America were as simple as a lake, builders would just raise wages, incomes would rise and the problem would be over.

    But that hasn’t happened. Builders have gone recruiting in high schools and elsewhere, looking for people willing to learn building skills, but they’re not having much luck.

    Construction is hard, many families demean physical labor and construction is highly cyclical. Hundreds of thousands of people lost construction jobs during the financial crisis and don’t want to come back. They want steadier work even at a lower salary.

    Employers have apparently decided raising wages won’t work. Adjusting for inflation, wages are roughly where they were, at about $27 an hour on average in a place like Colorado. Instead, employers have had to cut back on output. One builder told Reuters that he could take on 10 percent more projects per year if he could find the crews.

    In other words, the labor shortage hasn’t led to higher wages.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    By lake/river he is trying to distinguish between static and dynamic analysis. So for example, bringing in immigrant workers not only increases the supply of construction labor but it also increases the demand for it, because the immigrants themselves need to be housed.

    But, by definition, the increased demand will be less than in increased supply because people only spend maybe 25% of their wages on housing (in reality sometimes less because immigrants will live 10 to a room to save $). So instead of stealing 1 job from the American labor pool (or "lake") the immigrant only steals 3/4 of a job from the labor river. Big deal.

    Once you start doing the accounting on immigrants it doesn't add up. Unskilled immigrants and their children unto the nth generation are net consumers of government services, etc. 50 years of immigration has not made the average American richer but it sure has made the 1% richer.
  7. A force driving the construction boom is the one million plus immigrants entering America each year. They need houses, apartments, hospitals, schools, prisons, roads, stores, restaurants, water and sewer systems, you name it. Brooks’s argument is circular.

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    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    The ideology of the cancer cell.

    Cities are exhibiting diseconomies of scale. Atlanta keeps having to raise its sales tax rate, even though more people are moving in and paying sales tax than ever. Unit costs are increasing, not decreasing.
    , @HA
    >They need houses, apartments,

    And since they can only afford the cheap, shoddy stuff that needs to be razed and rebuilt fairly often, you know they're gonna stay busy. Especially if those Trump protesters step up their game and start burning stuff down. It's the economic equivalent of a perpetual motion machine.
  8. If white America is “dying” then so is Korea, Japan and most of the developing world.

    The best analogy is that my tribe is the richest and my tribe isn’t having as many kids as the neighbouring tribes for some reason. Then I’m told by the neighbouring tribe to adopt their surfeit children since my clan is “dying”.

    To extend the analogy even further I’m not allowed to impose my tribal ways or identity on the newly adopted kids since that would be offensive to their heritage.

    After a while it simply won’t be my tribe anymore one way or the other.

    So better to go back to basics and find out why my tribe isn’t having as many children and what I can do to help them instead of mocking them for “dying.” Kind of like what the Israelis did..

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    If white America is “dying” then so is Korea, Japan and most of the developing world.

    TFR > 2: first world whites are having too many children, environmental catastrophe!

    TFR < 2: white people are dying, we must bring in the DREAMers to peg feed the elderly!

    Heads or tails, it's white genocide all the time for the left.

    , @BB753
    Furthermore, a tribe adjusting its size to available resources isn't dying at all. I'd say a tribe that's growing out of control is on the way out.
    , @Difference maker
    Though I'm sure all here are aware of this, excellent description

    How very cucky. Will be great for illuminating those confused by the term
    , @Randal

    So better to go back to basics and find out why my tribe isn’t having as many children and what I can do to help them instead of mocking them for “dying.”
     
    The conversation usually goes like this:

    Nativist: This mass immigration is having all sorts of bad effects.

    Internationalist/globalist: "We must have more immigrants because there's no other solution to our labour shortage and in the long run there will be nobody to wipe our backsides when we are elderly and incapable.

    Nativist: Well, why not encourage our own people to have more children?

    Internationalist/globalist: You can't say that! That's what fascists do! You're a racist! I'm calling the moderator/police [delete appropriately, depending on the country in which the conversation is taking place]
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    The best analogy is that my tribe is the richest and my tribe isn’t having as many kids as the neighbouring tribes for some reason. Then I’m told by the neighbouring tribe to adopt their surfeit children since my clan is “dying”.
     
    Instead of extending your analogy, Zach, I'm gonna do some do an insertion. The reason our tribe isn't having as many kids is not just "for some reason"; it's that our tribe has been so stable, conservative, honest and trusting in the past that it is just now noticing that the other tribes have been getting this big all-powerful alien group (just to make up some name, call it the US Government) to steal our tribes' stuff, give it to other tribes, and keep a decent cut. This has been going on for years and explains why people in our tribe don't feel they can afford to have more than one or two kids.

    OK, carry on with the rest of it.

    I can't tell whether this Brooks guy is really that stupid - his logic on supply and demand is, let's just say, "unsound". He may just be pulling this stuff out to keep the narrative going, as all these LP people are freaking out about all this truth spreading around lately like an epidemic.
    , @BenKenobi
    It was a savage one-two punch.

    First we were told to embrace feminism, delay family formation, have fewer children to reduce strain on the environment, etc etc.

    Then we were told "oh you didn't have any children so now we need to mercilessly import hordes of third worlders to make up for it."
    , @Coemgen
    Questioning why your tribe is dying is now hate speech.
  9. Read More
    • Replies: @Mr. Blank
    LOL!

    I love how stories like this always talk about a "wave of hate crimes" like it's just an established fact -- like you can't even walk down the street without encountering Nazi goon squads terrorizing liberals. Jesus, the make-believe drama these people need to give meaning to their lives...

    , @fish
    Well hat tip nonetheless! He's showing good progress.....and testosterone eventually "rights" ones worldview.
    , @Jack Highlands
    Which hypothesis? The one that Brooks parasitizes Steve for ideas?
    , @Autochthon

    It was the first time he had witnessed someone “directly threatening someone else” in his five years in New York City.
     
    This statement goes to the witness' credibility.
  10. “For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston.”

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.

    Personal opinion on this, y’all have treated other minorities like exotic pets that you assume the reverse will hold when you’re the pets.

    My money is on “won’t happen”.

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    • Troll: 27 year old, BenKenobi, Clyde
    • Replies: @slumber_j

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.
     
    David Brooks is Jewish. Does that fact damp down some of the dissonance?
    , @Wade
    David Brooks and his son, who fought in the Israeli military, are Israeli citizens. They both have exit plans if the going gets rough for the USA.

    I'm guessing the same goes for many wealthy billionaires in the USA.
    , @Jack Highlands
    Here is a foot-soldier member of the Brooks team hitting the streets on Inauguration Day. This man also turned out to be Jewish.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hluCjQR3mvA/hqdefault.jpg
    , @VFM10
    Your first mistake is concluding that David Brooks is 'white'. He's not. 'White' means those descended from European Christendom, not just having a pale complexion; just like 'black' means descended from sub-Saharan Africans, and doesn't mean someone from South India just because he's very dark.

    David Brooks is Jewish. He is cheering for the death of a rival population, not the destruction of his own.

    What you see as unfathomable 'white attacking their own' is the neo-con Jews (from Tim Wise to David Brooks to Bill Kristol) combining with a cadre of white elites that are no longer tied to their people or nation but to the globalist model (The Bushes, the Clintons, et. al.). It's not insignificant that there is increasing intermarriage between these two groups.

    This group despises the rank-and-file white people who do NOT hate themselves, and who are increasingly nationalistic.
    , @27 year old
    At least this is a somewhat innovative form of trolling.
    , @bomag

    Personal opinion on this, y’all have treated other minorities like exotic pets that you assume the reverse will hold when you’re the pets.
     
    No such assumption. Pets go feral when the keepers are too enfeebled to maintain them.
    , @BenKenobi
    Fails the Voight-Kampff test.

    Nexus-6 detected.

    Recommend retirement.
  11. Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.

    We aren’t sure whether Brooks considers himself to be White.

    Personal opinion on this, y’all have treated other minorities like exotic pets that you assume the reverse will hold when you’re the pets.

    My money is on “won’t happen”.

    What does it mean to be treated as an exotic pet versus not?

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    • Replies: @Sean


    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.
     
    We aren’t sure whether Brooks considers himself to be White.
     
    Little doubt in my mind whether he considers himself to be such, nor is there any doubt that his writing only works because he is implying he is writing as one of the very same people he is animadverting. Yet there is a Catch 22 inasmuch to call him out on it is impossible, because he will deny allegiance to anything but the general good. That is no small advantage, but no one is bothering to argue with him now anyway.
    , @Alfa158
    Generally, they do consider themselves White, but their innate thought processes distinguish between White Jews and White Goys. When Brooks is referring to dying Whites, he really means dying White Goys, but he doesn't need to explicitly put it that way because everyone who reads the NYT knows what he is really saying.
    , @Jack D
    I think he was trying to say that when non-whites are the majority they won't be as nice to the white minority as whites were to non-whites when the ran the show.
    , @Negrolphin Pool

    What does it mean to be treated as an exotic pet versus not?
     
    I think what he was getting at is that most pet owners wouldn't, say, torture their dog to death with a blow torch because they were bored.

    https://www.amren.com/news/2017/02/british-woman-murdered-husband-left-dead-south-africa-tortured-blowtorch/

    These were reportedly good liberals who, I'm sure, believed that the local apex predators would realize they were big-time animal lovers etc and so would be their friends, like some puerile Disney plot.

    , @EdwardM

    What does it mean to be treated as an exotic pet versus not?
     
    Doted on, coddled, indulged, bad behavior shrugged off, bragged about, etc. I.e., how the left refers to our vibrant guests at the macro level and how nice white ladies refer to their hard-working gardener or Ethiopian restaurant in their suburb.
  12. From 2010: Mayor disputes Houston’s ranking among most dangerous cities

    My mother worked in Houston not long after the war — she described it as being very hot and humid in the summer — also a trip across the border to Mexico as rather depressing — I guess neither of those things has changed.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    Before air conditioning, no one in his right mind wanted to live south of the Mason-Dixon line in the summer. Houston had maybe 5 or 10 people. OK, a few hundred thousand but still maybe 1/8 of its current population.
    , @Anon
    My friend who lives in Houston got t-boned by an uninsured Mexican who was distracted because he was watching pornography on his phone while driving. A few weeks later his computer was stolen out of his car when he left it in the passenger compartment like an idiot. Sounded like a dangerous, depressing place to live to me.
  13. @MC
    David Brooks thinks this country has a "labor shortage."

    Did David Brooks used to be smart, or is my memory playing tricks on me?

    He quoted Sailer for a while, actually, then they realized what he was doing and came after him.

    He seems pretty solidly anti-Trump now.

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  14. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston.

    Helmsman Brooks wanted a shiny new Ship of Theseus America. But now he’s Robinson Crusoe.

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  15. It’s remarkable how the advent of Trump has liberated speech. We’re finally having that honest conversation about race, and Republicans are leading the way!

    Bill Kristol, Feb. 7, 2017:

    Look, to be totally honest, if things are so bad as you say with the white working class, don’t you want to get new Americans in?

    David Brooks, Feb. 24, 2017:

    For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston.

    Any other examples of Republicans having such sudden outbreaks of honesty?

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  16. David Brooks used to be very acerbic, before he saw his role as defending the new establishment. Here is a very telling Brooks piece, dancing on the grave of the old establisment.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/20/books/review/david-rockefellers-memoirs-born-to-be-mild.html

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  17. @Opinionator

    For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston.
     
    Okay!

    Would David Brooks ever live in a city like Houston? How non-white is his neighborhood or his childrens’ schools?

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    • Replies: @Old fogey
    Brooks seems to live in an area where "many families demean physical labor."

    Doesn't sound like anywhere I've lived in this country. One does run into this attitude, of course, in the Middle East.
  18. @Opinionator

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.
     
    We aren't sure whether Brooks considers himself to be White.

    Personal opinion on this, y’all have treated other minorities like exotic pets that you assume the reverse will hold when you’re the pets.

    My money is on “won’t happen”.
     
    What does it mean to be treated as an exotic pet versus not?

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.

    We aren’t sure whether Brooks considers himself to be White.

    Little doubt in my mind whether he considers himself to be such, nor is there any doubt that his writing only works because he is implying he is writing as one of the very same people he is animadverting. Yet there is a Catch 22 inasmuch to call him out on it is impossible, because he will deny allegiance to anything but the general good. That is no small advantage, but no one is bothering to argue with him now anyway.

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    • Replies: @guest
    The general good? What is that, the global good, the Western good, the American good? Or is it really just the Brooks good: whatever makes him feel best.
  19. @Mark Caplan
    A force driving the construction boom is the one million plus immigrants entering America each year. They need houses, apartments, hospitals, schools, prisons, roads, stores, restaurants, water and sewer systems, you name it. Brooks's argument is circular.

    The ideology of the cancer cell.

    Cities are exhibiting diseconomies of scale. Atlanta keeps having to raise its sales tax rate, even though more people are moving in and paying sales tax than ever. Unit costs are increasing, not decreasing.

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  20. Lakes, rivers and brooks, is this guy into “water sports?”

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  21. Brooks needs to read Borjas, George. He shows quite plainly that illegal immigration of low-skilled workers reduces incomes of low-skilled Americans and has the net effect of transferring wealth from low-skilled Americans to wealthy Americans.

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  22. I thought all blue collar jobs were going to be replaced by robots Real Soon Now so we had to send everyone to college to get PhDs or something. Now we are told there is a shortage of blue collar labor. Perhaps Mr. Brooks’s superior Chosen brain can reconcile these two truths in a way our goyische kops can’t.

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  23. I’m having trouble following Brooks on this. With all the nautical metaphors it’s like talking economics with SpongeBob.

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  24. As an aside, I distinctly recall my mother, a good pro-business Republican, favorably comparing liberal Wisconsin and Minnesota to pro-business Houston. To my goodthinkful younger self, this was heresy. A trip to Houston, however, significantly affected my views on the matter. I think perhaps the reason why Republicans might prefer a White America is that Whites simply build nicer societies, regardless of ideology.

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    • Replies: @SteveM

    As an aside, I distinctly recall my mother, a good pro-business Republican, favorably comparing liberal Wisconsin and Minnesota to pro-business Houston.
     
    I was listening the NPR last year, and they did a feature on Wisconsin dairy farmers. And I'm thinking “Dairy farmers – salt of the earth type guys.” Well only sorta. It turns out that they ALL hire Mexican farm hands. Pay them 8 bucks and hour, no health care, no benefits. A Mexican farm hand interviewed said that he cracked his head open on the job and that the injury was his problem.

    The now standard but still bogus rationale of the farmers was that if they couldn’t hire the Mexicans, they couldn’t stay in business. As if cheaper milk is going to be imported from China. If ALL of the farmers were forced to pay a decent wage based on rational labor supply and demand and effective immigration enforcement, we’d have to pay a little more for milk, but so be it.

    There it is again, the habituation to cheap immigrant labor with the idea of paying Ameicans a living wage totally removed for the conversation.

  25. @Nigerian Nationalist
    "For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston."

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.

    Personal opinion on this, y'all have treated other minorities like exotic pets that you assume the reverse will hold when you're the pets.

    My money is on "won't happen".

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.

    David Brooks is Jewish. Does that fact damp down some of the dissonance?

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    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    Is Brooks in favor of non-Jewish migration to Israel?
    , @Dr. X

    For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Jews prefer a dying West Bank to a place like, say, Houston.
     
    There. Fixed it!
    , @Father O'Hara
    Its early,I guess. Reading this piece,I thought it was David BROCK who wrote it. Brooks? Of course he's a bird brained NOI (nation of immigrants,natch) shmuck. White? His son is considered the Audie Murphy of the Israeli army.
    , @Ragno
    It surely does.

    Nothing more hilarious than counterfeit white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.
     
    , @celt darnell
    You're arguing with a Nigerian. Nigerians are the thieves of Africa. Even other Africans loathe them as the scummiest of Africans. How low can a people go?

    Don't waste your time disputing him -- even Africans won't.

  26. @Zachary Latif
    If white America is "dying" then so is Korea, Japan and most of the developing world.

    The best analogy is that my tribe is the richest and my tribe isn't having as many kids as the neighbouring tribes for some reason. Then I'm told by the neighbouring tribe to adopt their surfeit children since my clan is "dying".

    To extend the analogy even further I'm not allowed to impose my tribal ways or identity on the newly adopted kids since that would be offensive to their heritage.

    After a while it simply won't be my tribe anymore one way or the other.

    So better to go back to basics and find out why my tribe isn't having as many children and what I can do to help them instead of mocking them for "dying." Kind of like what the Israelis did..

    If white America is “dying” then so is Korea, Japan and most of the developing world.

    TFR > 2: first world whites are having too many children, environmental catastrophe!

    TFR < 2: white people are dying, we must bring in the DREAMers to peg feed the elderly!

    Heads or tails, it's white genocide all the time for the left.

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  27. Kevin Williamson was one of the first conservatives to spout this hatred against white Americans…“The truth about these downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible,” -Kevin Williamson

    it seems all the Neocons have same same view of white Americans. Just last week Bill Kristol shared his view that white, working-class Americans should be replaced by immigrants.

    Now it is Mr. Brooks turn to advocate for ethnic cleansing of the Americans who made our nation great. None of these “conservatives” would ever make the same argument about Blacks.

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  28. When people talk about labor “shortages,” you should always add “at the wage offered.” Many jobs would pay higher wages if there weren’t Latin American immigrants ready to undercut the native European and African descended population. The middle class in America was developed during the 1924-1965 immigration pause.

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  29. @Nigerian Nationalist
    "For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston."

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.

    Personal opinion on this, y'all have treated other minorities like exotic pets that you assume the reverse will hold when you're the pets.

    My money is on "won't happen".

    David Brooks and his son, who fought in the Israeli military, are Israeli citizens. They both have exit plans if the going gets rough for the USA.

    I’m guessing the same goes for many wealthy billionaires in the USA.

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    • Replies: @HenryA
    Of course, if America disappears then so too does Israel. Without the U.S., Israel wouldn't have access to the sophisticated and deadly and free weapons that keep Israel's enemies at bay.
  30. @Opinionator

    For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston.
     
    Okay!

    Opi, Because I’ve been to Houston and there are two distinct cities.

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    • Replies: @oddsbodkins
    The half of Houston with immigrants and their kids is great. But that's a select group of high-functioning people brought in by the oil industry, a very misleading example for Brooks to choose.
  31. @JackOH
    "Nationwide, there are now about 200,000 unfilled construction jobs, according to the National Association of Home Builders."

    LOL, Steve. Someone needs to tell Journalist Brooks that employers and employer associations always claim "shortages" of labor.

    Jack, Nationwide! or 4000 workers per state, hardly a shortage that overtime can’t cover.

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    • Replies: @JackOH
    You got it, Buffalo Joe. My native disposition isn't all that strongly "pro-laborist", but I'm just astounded by the twaddle written about labor. I was in a hiring capacity, and the #1 reason we could not keep talented people was we could not pay them well. It's no better than half-truth to say we were having "labor shortages". The workers who left us were having "pay shortages"---they brought strong skills to the table, and we weren't paying them enough for those skills.

    I'm okay with yesteryear's organized labor excesses seeing some correction. That appears now to have been the political cover story for the wholesale debasing of American labor, and I'm not okay with that. I've known any number of skilled white and blue collar folks who refuse to re-enter their fields because the pay isn't proportional to the skill and commitment they need to bring to those jobs. They'd rather take early retirement, work flea markets, take on low-commitment retail work, so they don't get ripped off by some bullpuckey employer. There's something deeply wrong here at a primal, visceral level.
  32. History is like a river. Rivers flowing from peoples and borders undefended. Rivers of blood caused by traitors and enemies masquerading as friends. Do you know what side you’re on? Its not our side is it? Yeah we know we’re not what you are.

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  33. The disconnect between our opinion leaders and the real world has never been so sharp, at least not in my lifetime. Thirty years ago there were still plenty of people in the commentariat who had some idea what was happening outside the bubble. No more. When Brooks writes about “the real world” he may as well be describing life on a distant plant that he observes through a telescope.

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  34. @slumber_j

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.
     
    David Brooks is Jewish. Does that fact damp down some of the dissonance?

    Is Brooks in favor of non-Jewish migration to Israel?

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    • Replies: @David In TN
    I think it was Paul Gottfried who wrote that in Israeli politics, the neocons are hardcore nativists.
  35. Pathetic and spaced out from David Brooks. But he has his loyal fan base same as Kristof. People agree with him at the NY Times comment section.

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  36. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston.

    Go to Houston and live a while there, and you will experience ‘Why’. Better ‘a dying white America’ than a black and brown hell-hole.

    The white race will not die out. For all we know, the slow down in white births may be due to some biological factor that senses the world is already overpopulated and beginning to feed on its own – a survival mechanism rather than a death wish.

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    • Replies: @Rob McX
    If it really was a survival mechanism, it would also stop whites from opening their borders to non-white invaders and financing a population explosion in Africa with foreign aid.
  37. Did it not occur to Brooks that there may be a shortage in construction workers due to the fact that it takes time to train them and that the market is not agile enough to respond instantaneously to peaks and valleys? Apprentice programs used to require a four year commitment.

    Oh, that’s right, that was from a distant time when your home was built by a guy who had undergone not just education and training, but a two-year apprenticeship under expert oversight before he could call himself a carpenter.

    Brooks, I suppose, would rather our (his?) house be built by guys who, yesterday, were flipping burgers or filling out unemployment forms.

    This is the labor force as envisioned by our OverLords: mobile and ever ready. Kinda like a pool of permanent ManPower temps. Anybody else remember ManPower? Dregs and culls who couldn’t do anything expertly.

    Shoddy construction is another externality created by the new normal. After numerous vacations in Mexico I believe that I’ll stick with American workers who had undergone an apprenticeship. Not saying all Mexicans do bad work, but without any standardized training programs, how would you know whether the person you’re hiring is qualified?

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Three Cranes, You are correct. I served a three year apprenticeship, with four hours of classes every Saturday except three summer months. Some apprenticeships around here are now five years with a low starting pay and four hours of night classes per week, but a 40 hour job for the taking and scheduled pay increases. Problem is too many workers want the big journeyman's pay without the commitment. Need to strike a balance.
  38. Employers have apparently decided raising wages won’t work. …

    In other words, the labor shortage hasn’t led to higher wages

    Wow, that’s really amazing. You mean that whole supply/demand curve thing is completely wrong? The laws of economics have been repealed? How about the law of gravity next?

    What if, say, drywall sanders got paid as much as NY Times pundits, would there still be a shortage of Americans willing to sand drywall? Is there really no amount of money that would balance the supply and demand for construction labor? Or has the inflation adjusted price of labor not risen in 30 years because the supply keeps going up thanks to immigration? Which explanation better fits the understanding of market economics that has prevailed for the last 200 years?

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    • Agree: 415 reasons, res, Bill
    • Replies: @CCZ
    And what was the basis of their "apparently decided?"

    "Employers have apparently decided raising wages won’t work.…" which actually means, employers have "apparently decided" not to raise wages.

    The key sentence of his article goes unexplored, all to "prove" his [mis]point.
    , @res
    Not to mention his assumption that raising construction wages has actually been tried (I realize this is implicit in your sarcasm, but think it's worth making explicit).
    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
    , @Anonymous

    is there really no amount of money that would balance the supply and demand for construction labor?
     
    This is America. People will do nearly anything if the price is right. Whether it is women "stripping" to get money for college or idiots like the Kardashians making fools of themselves on television, most Americans will do practically anything you want them to if the price is right.
    , @Deckin
    From my experience, you only have to sand the drywall where you taped and mudded over it. The hard part is the actual hanging of it; kills the shoulders.
    , @keypusher
    It's like Brooks has never encountered the concept of stickiness. Either the forces of supply and demand adjust themselves instantly, as in the treasury bond market, or they will never adjust at all.

    I remember realizing from reading The Cider House Rules that back in the 1940s fruit was picked by migrant African-Americans. Does Brooks suppose they were all replaced by Mexicans overnight?
  39. @eah
    From 2010: Mayor disputes Houston's ranking among most dangerous cities

    My mother worked in Houston not long after the war -- she described it as being very hot and humid in the summer -- also a trip across the border to Mexico as rather depressing -- I guess neither of those things has changed.

    https://twitter.com/jimgoad/status/834477036165009408

    Before air conditioning, no one in his right mind wanted to live south of the Mason-Dixon line in the summer. Houston had maybe 5 or 10 people. OK, a few hundred thousand but still maybe 1/8 of its current population.

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    • Replies: @Njguy73
    If you subscribe to James Kunstler or Dmitri Orlov or other writers like them, Peak Oil and climate change will render this whole argument moot.
    , @Neil Templeton
    As I recall, Phoenix had a population of about 6,000 in 1906. A little over 100,000 in 1950, about 1.6 million today. I suspect a fair portion of the average annual growth over that period is due to air conditioning and water projects.
  40. “For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston.”

    While Houston is more liveable for the working and middle class than Los Angeles or New York–despite a slump in oil prices–it’s not paradise, and it’s simply running 10 years behind where LA is now. Roads and utilities are in disrepair. The exterior facades of most buildings have taken on that neglected sheen you see in old shopping malls. Anyone with the means, flees the school district and moves to a better suburb, like Ft. Bend or Katy. Large continuous blocks have been turned into poor replicas of Karachi, Saigon or Mexico City. If you have the means to set up in a nice re-build in West U. or buy a McMansion in the Woodlands, life is getting better, but for everyone else, Houston is experiencing the same slow degradation the rest of the country’s urban centers have seen.

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    • Replies: @Polichinello
    One anecdote about Houston:

    There's a residential area in west Houston called the Royal Oaks Country Club. It's a swank area surrounded by--get this--a wall. To enter, you go through a guarded gate. Those of you who were in the military remember the process to enter a base, where an armed guard looks for a sticker or an ID? Same thing. This walled city within a city is surrounded by the Westchase District, which was once a nice area for lower-middle class and working families to reside, with even some upper income homes being built. Then our mayor in 2005 thought it would be nice to fill the area with refugees from New Orleans after Katrina. Vibrancy ensued.

    I went to a baptism party at Royal Oaks, and I was talking to an expatriate who worked for an Oil Major overseas. He said, "This place is pretty much like living in compound overseas in the Middle East or Latin America."
    , @ben tillman
    We are so lucky in Dallas to have the Park Cities as anchors and islands of stability. It's as if an area similar to River Oaks but 13 times as big were a separate municipality.
  41. @Opinionator
    Here is Brooks's evidence that (1) there is a labor shortage, and (2) it hasn't led to higher wages. It seems to boil down to (1) the building industry people telling him they cannot find enough workers, and (2) his noting that wages haven't changed. Does that fly?

    Pro or contra Brooks, it would have been helpful to see in the column an attempt by someone to explain exactly why builders cannot raise wages.

    By the way, I find his river/lake metaphor to be very confusing.


    Nationwide, there are now about 200,000 unfilled construction jobs, according to the National Association of Home Builders. If America were as simple as a lake, builders would just raise wages, incomes would rise and the problem would be over.

    But that hasn’t happened. Builders have gone recruiting in high schools and elsewhere, looking for people willing to learn building skills, but they’re not having much luck.

    Construction is hard, many families demean physical labor and construction is highly cyclical. Hundreds of thousands of people lost construction jobs during the financial crisis and don’t want to come back. They want steadier work even at a lower salary.

    Employers have apparently decided raising wages won’t work. Adjusting for inflation, wages are roughly where they were, at about $27 an hour on average in a place like Colorado. Instead, employers have had to cut back on output. One builder told Reuters that he could take on 10 percent more projects per year if he could find the crews.

    In other words, the labor shortage hasn’t led to higher wages.
     

    By lake/river he is trying to distinguish between static and dynamic analysis. So for example, bringing in immigrant workers not only increases the supply of construction labor but it also increases the demand for it, because the immigrants themselves need to be housed.

    But, by definition, the increased demand will be less than in increased supply because people only spend maybe 25% of their wages on housing (in reality sometimes less because immigrants will live 10 to a room to save $). So instead of stealing 1 job from the American labor pool (or “lake”) the immigrant only steals 3/4 of a job from the labor river. Big deal.

    Once you start doing the accounting on immigrants it doesn’t add up. Unskilled immigrants and their children unto the nth generation are net consumers of government services, etc. 50 years of immigration has not made the average American richer but it sure has made the 1% richer.

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    • Replies: @Under the Cone of Silence

    By lake/river he is trying to distinguish between static and dynamic analysis.

     

    Brooks created confusing aquatic metaphors for economic concepts. So does his river analogy mean that having more illegal Mexicans coming into the watershed from upstream than dead white guys going out downstream raises the river level? Does stinky sewer water coming in from upstream adequately replace the pure mountain spring water going out downstream? What happens if the rising river jumps its bank and floods the surrounding countryside, drowning everyone in its path? If I end up with a big catfish in my lawn hammock I'm going to hit Brooks in the head with it.
    , @AnotherDad
    Well said Jack.

    But it's even more bogus than that:

    --> The immigrants suppress American construction worker supply.
    There are a lot of "non-bookish" guys who don't belong in college either by IQ or the desire for physical work and that slice of guys did do construction in earlier generations. Yeah, the boys coming out of the feminized school system are less manly. But the main reason they are reluctant to do construction now is precisely because open immigration and especially illegal immigration have made it an uncertain, low-paying, shit career. End immigration once and for all and you'll see construction filling back up with American boys in the span of 5 or 10 years.

    [Maybe Brooks doesn't know this growing up in Manhattan and then the established leafy Philadelphia Main Line, but when we were kids--and i'm only a few years older than Brooks--in those pre-immigration-tsunami days, white guys were building the houses--with more primitive equipment (hammers, not nail guns)--but they were nonetheless affordable and the construction workers could afford houses too.]

    And even more insane than that:

    --> The immigrants actually *raise* housing costs long term.
    As you point out these construction worker immigrants don't consume all the housing they produce, so are just doing reduced job stealing from Americans. But they do have an effect. They take up housing *somewhere*. And the effect of that is that housing gets more expensive for Americans.

    Essentially immigrants--cheap labor--lowers the building cost of housing, but continually and *cumulatively* *raises* the land cost of housing, especially in the few remaining desirable ("good schools") areas within otherwise immigrant heavy coastal areas.

    Brooks desired society ends up being like India, with low wages, but high housing prices because the place is so damn crowded. It's a terrible effing way to live, and absolutely the converse of the American experience which was--*was*--cheap land and dear labor.
    , @guest
    Yes, Ol' Brooksy is pushing shell game-style bogus economic punditry. It's transparent sophistry. For who really believes there's a strict one-to-one loss of jobs due to immigration? People may talk like that, but we all know in reality economics is more complicated. But it's not voodoo, wherein magic somehow turns neo-Americans into job creators for the indigenous population. Which Brooks knows, hence his reference to Dying White America (DWA).

    We care most about net job loss/gain due to immigration. Hard to make a a case that's improved since they threw the borders open wide and never shut them. It'd be one thing if Brooks types said something like "Evil government/liberals/demon spirits stepped in and stopped it from being the utopia it was supposed to be." Which would at least be an argument. And they do say that, but they also say, "We have had economic growth, and everything is better, shut up. Who cares about white America, specifically? What are you, a Nazi?"

    The river/lake thing is an updated pie analogy, which we're all sick of. We're not dividing up the same old pie, Joe Dyingwhite. The pie as a whole is bigger, so your piece is bigger. Or, in other words, you're not standing in a stagnant, mosquito-filled lake; you're in a raging river, swelled by torrential rainfall. That's dynamics, Joe. Your stupid brain is too static, just like 70s liberals against whom us neocons won an eternal victory, giving us the perpetual right to be listened to.

    Except the pie never quite gets bigger. I mean, the economy grows, but the dying white part of America is still dying. They're getting worse off, relatively. Which doesn't matter to Brooksy, because the population of the world is interchangeable. Who cares if this guy instead of that has a job? Unless it's politically important to convince that guy he's better off. Then you promise him he will be better off, because immigrants will cause the river to swell. His position never improves, but at least the guy who owns the newspaper that pays your salary is making money.

  42. @slumber_j

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.
     
    David Brooks is Jewish. Does that fact damp down some of the dissonance?

    For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Jews prefer a dying West Bank to a place like, say, Houston.

    There. Fixed it!

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  43. So it’s a dying country, but construction is booming so much it needs thousands of people. You’d think these problems would solve each other.

    Who are these buildings built for? Storing dead white Americans?

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  44. Brooks lives in a neighborhood of DC that is >80% white, and not in Houston. So he himself prefers dying white America to Houston, but he can’t fathom how Republicans who can’t afford zillion dollar houses in tony northwest DC would share his preference.

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    • Replies: @Days of Broken Arrows
    Glad someone else pointed this out.

    I was just going to say that if you want to see "white America" -- whether dying or living -- just go to the DC suburbs where the so-called liberals live. If there's any reason these people support illegals, it's because they get domestic help on the cheap, often paying them off-the-books wages. And they want to keep it that way.

    What we all read about Zoe Biard and Kimba Wood in the '90s is the norm, not an aberration.
  45. Brooks misses the fact that once a career path has been distorted by immigrant labor (especially of the illegal variety) no sane white person would choose to go into that career. The message has been sent that his trade can and will be undercut on a complete political whim.

    When I was a kid there were lots of white men around in construction, and lots of people who talked about the good money that could be made in it. Nowadays I seldom pass a construction site with white workers around.

    Additionally, I don’t think that lifting wages is necessarily the primary benefit of cutting immigtation. It’s the greater *inequality* caused by mass immigration – it drives up land values and increases the wealth of businessmen who profit from their business and labor. That disadvantages native-born Americans who aren’t born into wealth. For working class Americans affordable housing in neighbrhoods that don’t feel like Tijuana or Mogadishu becomes difficult, and oftentimes only possible with two adults working full-time.

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    • Replies: @415 reasons
    The greater inequality, higher land prices and lowered quality of life effect all Americans, although the biggest losers relative to what their life could have been like are probably working class whites in blue states. In coastal California huge numbers have already decamped to Nevada or Texas, etc. But it really has made the country a worse place to live for us all. Unfortunately the wealthy elite are insulated from most of the most shocking real effects and are indoctrinated from their childhood now to believe that diversity is in and of itself the greatest social good.
    , @Bastion
    I can't agree more with this. The same thing has happened in IT. IT used to have some status associated with it. But the vibe nowadays is more in the line of "that's work for coolies". I have advised all of my kids not to follow me into software work.
    , @Anonymous
    Brooks misses the fact that once a career path has been distorted by immigrant labor (especially of the illegal variety) no sane white person would choose to go into that career. The message has been sent that his trade can and will be undercut on a complete political whim.

    This is a really good point.


    Construction is hard, many families demean physical labor and construction is highly cyclical.

    Perrhaps one reason our elites seem obsessed with having everyone go to college and that many schools have cut shop classes is to (1) create a strong impression among all Americans that physical labor and blue collar jobs are low status work and (2) ensure that few Americans are prepared for that kind of work.

    Ergo, we need immigrants who will do the jobs Americans won't and can't do!

    , @Kyle
    There still are a lot of white men in construction, and you can still make good money of you are hard working and fast thinking.
    There are some jobs where it's just impossible to compete with illegals because you have to have workers insurance and they don't. It's not so much the wages, they aren't getting paid below minimum wage.
    , @Achilles

    When I was a kid there were lots of white men around in construction, and lots of people who talked about the good money that could be made in it. Nowadays I seldom pass a construction site with white workers around.
     
    It was also common in those days for construction crews to hire college kids during the summer season.

    Students shouldered more of the cost of college themselves through sources other than student loans and earnings from a summer job were an important part of this.

    It would be interesting to see statistics on percentages of current vs. past college students who held summer jobs and what type of jobs (construction vs retail vs government, for example).
    , @AnotherDad
    Very well said Wilkey. I tried to tack some of those points onto my additions to Jack's excellent comment above. This is the problem with Brooks. You can go book length refuting him.

    Beyond basic supply+demand--which Brooks is unable\unwilling to grasp--there are a bunch of additional points:

    -- Externalities of immigrants, which are high. They cost way, way more in "social costs"--direct that comes out of taxpayer's pocket and indirect in reduced quality of life--than the basically nonexistant economic benefits.

    -- Immigration drives up inequality. Immigration compresses wages, but not capital. It's essentially screws the working class--the class dependent on wage income--to benefit the capitalist class with cheaper labor. The overclass--like NYT pundits--who are not subject to immigration competition but can consume cheap services (nanny, maids, gardeners, hotel and restaurant meals, home repair\maintenance) also benefit.

    -- Immigrants have driven Americans *out* of various labor markets. End immigration and this will restore itself nicely. (Construction, taxi drivers, maids, landscaping, hospitality, etc. etc.) Those of us around in the pre-tsunami 60s remember it. It worked.

    -- Immigration drives *up*, not down housing prices. They suppress the building side of the costs, but raise the land side. But the building side essentially scales with wages and incomes. *It's the land side that makes housing unaffordable*. And it becomes particularly unaffordable in prosperous coastal cities, where the immigrants flock, making already scare land is made even more scare for Americans who do not want to live in foreign immigrant heavy neighborhoods.

    -- Immigration driven high housing prices even further delay\suppress "affordable family formation" and further suppress native American fertility.

    -- Immigration essentially destroys Americas historic prosperity, which was based on cheap land and dear labor. What made life in America so darn nice. It replaces that with the Asiatic model of cheap labor and expensive land, a much crappier model\lifestyle.

    , @David Allan coe
    Exactly correct...growing up in the 80's I worked in a restaurant , as did my sister and some friends. The kitchen workers were all white, I was a busboy and we were all white americans, mostly high school students were busboys...it was actually fun to work with fellow teens...but today mostly hispanics work these jobs thus my teenage kids would not enjoy it as much as we did. Plus the status of these jobs is now much lower due to the demographics which has some impact. In the 80's we got these jobs from friends, thus the hispanics crowd out the whites who may be interested in these jobs, but have a harder time finding the good ones due to this issue.
    , @anon

    When I was a kid there were lots of white men around in construction, and lots of people who talked about the good money that could be made in it
     
    Any job that requires a person to work outdoors in occasional or frequent harsh climate and do physical labor *should* pay 2x minimum wage. And used to.

    Further, these jobs can't be sent to the third world.

    AND

    The flat truth about developed economies is that they move from farming to manufacturing to service as they develop.

    Service jobs can't be exported.

    ERGO

    A fraction of our trade -- 10% or 20% -- plus or minus, is really harmful. But a lot is a nothing burger. Simply doesn't matter. And some benefits the US a lot. Like Boeing. Like a lot of tech. The multi nationals in the S&P 500.

    But trade policies can be changed.

    Immigration is like a Tattoo.

    You can always open the gate, but you can't reverse anything.

    That is why trade is an 'issue' and open borders is evil.
    , @DN Poolside
    Wilkey - move to the far north. Not only are the construction workers white; the landscapers are white. This is because they can mow lawns in the summer and plow snow in the winter. No big city magnets helps tremendously. It's like living in the 1970s. Of course, being insulated from the effects of immigration makes for extreme cuckiness. Think Paul Ryan.
  46. @Polichinello
    "For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston."

    While Houston is more liveable for the working and middle class than Los Angeles or New York--despite a slump in oil prices--it's not paradise, and it's simply running 10 years behind where LA is now. Roads and utilities are in disrepair. The exterior facades of most buildings have taken on that neglected sheen you see in old shopping malls. Anyone with the means, flees the school district and moves to a better suburb, like Ft. Bend or Katy. Large continuous blocks have been turned into poor replicas of Karachi, Saigon or Mexico City. If you have the means to set up in a nice re-build in West U. or buy a McMansion in the Woodlands, life is getting better, but for everyone else, Houston is experiencing the same slow degradation the rest of the country's urban centers have seen.

    One anecdote about Houston:

    There’s a residential area in west Houston called the Royal Oaks Country Club. It’s a swank area surrounded by–get this–a wall. To enter, you go through a guarded gate. Those of you who were in the military remember the process to enter a base, where an armed guard looks for a sticker or an ID? Same thing. This walled city within a city is surrounded by the Westchase District, which was once a nice area for lower-middle class and working families to reside, with even some upper income homes being built. Then our mayor in 2005 thought it would be nice to fill the area with refugees from New Orleans after Katrina. Vibrancy ensued.

    I went to a baptism party at Royal Oaks, and I was talking to an expatriate who worked for an Oil Major overseas. He said, “This place is pretty much like living in compound overseas in the Middle East or Latin America.”

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    @eah
    From 2010: Mayor disputes Houston's ranking among most dangerous cities

    My mother worked in Houston not long after the war -- she described it as being very hot and humid in the summer -- also a trip across the border to Mexico as rather depressing -- I guess neither of those things has changed.

    https://twitter.com/jimgoad/status/834477036165009408

    My friend who lives in Houston got t-boned by an uninsured Mexican who was distracted because he was watching pornography on his phone while driving. A few weeks later his computer was stolen out of his car when he left it in the passenger compartment like an idiot. Sounded like a dangerous, depressing place to live to me.

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  48. So I can ignore my lying eyes that watched all those videos of construction bosses laying off whole crews of $15/hour chicos who blew off work for immigrant day? They’re having a terrible time replacing those guys, right?

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  49. @Wilkey
    Brooks misses the fact that once a career path has been distorted by immigrant labor (especially of the illegal variety) no sane white person would choose to go into that career. The message has been sent that his trade can and will be undercut on a complete political whim.

    When I was a kid there were lots of white men around in construction, and lots of people who talked about the good money that could be made in it. Nowadays I seldom pass a construction site with white workers around.

    Additionally, I don't think that lifting wages is necessarily the primary benefit of cutting immigtation. It's the greater *inequality* caused by mass immigration - it drives up land values and increases the wealth of businessmen who profit from their business and labor. That disadvantages native-born Americans who aren't born into wealth. For working class Americans affordable housing in neighbrhoods that don't feel like Tijuana or Mogadishu becomes difficult, and oftentimes only possible with two adults working full-time.

    The greater inequality, higher land prices and lowered quality of life effect all Americans, although the biggest losers relative to what their life could have been like are probably working class whites in blue states. In coastal California huge numbers have already decamped to Nevada or Texas, etc. But it really has made the country a worse place to live for us all. Unfortunately the wealthy elite are insulated from most of the most shocking real effects and are indoctrinated from their childhood now to believe that diversity is in and of itself the greatest social good.

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  50. @Buffalo Joe
    Jack, Nationwide! or 4000 workers per state, hardly a shortage that overtime can't cover.

    You got it, Buffalo Joe. My native disposition isn’t all that strongly “pro-laborist”, but I’m just astounded by the twaddle written about labor. I was in a hiring capacity, and the #1 reason we could not keep talented people was we could not pay them well. It’s no better than half-truth to say we were having “labor shortages”. The workers who left us were having “pay shortages”—they brought strong skills to the table, and we weren’t paying them enough for those skills.

    I’m okay with yesteryear’s organized labor excesses seeing some correction. That appears now to have been the political cover story for the wholesale debasing of American labor, and I’m not okay with that. I’ve known any number of skilled white and blue collar folks who refuse to re-enter their fields because the pay isn’t proportional to the skill and commitment they need to bring to those jobs. They’d rather take early retirement, work flea markets, take on low-commitment retail work, so they don’t get ripped off by some bullpuckey employer. There’s something deeply wrong here at a primal, visceral level.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "It’s no better than half-truth to say we were having “labor shortages”. The workers who left us were having “pay shortages”—they brought strong skills to the table, and we weren’t paying them enough for those skills."

    Well said.

  51. @Opinionator

    For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston.
     
    Okay!

    For the life of me, I can’t figure out why Brooks would look at a dying America, and not want to fix it.

    I guess we’re just dying. Like 90-year-olds, it’s our time and there’s nothing we can do about it. It’s biology! Better bring on the replacements.

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  52. “slow-growth/zero-sum liberals one used to meet in the 1970s”

    Yeah, they were so silly, thinking that an exponentially growing population might eventually lead to problems.

    But then … the developed world solved that problem! We lowered our birthrates!

    So the developed world ran into a new problem – how do we run an economy with a stagnant population? We’ve had growth for so long that our institutions are built around that assumption, that there would always be significantly more workers than seniors, and lots of children to fill every job, grow the economy, and easily pay off their parents’ debts.

    But instead of solving that problem – which the world is obviously going to have to solve some day – we’re kicking that can down the road by importing immigrants.

    And David Brooks … for the life of him can’t figure out why anyone might oppose this.

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    • Replies: @Roger that
    The growth assumption was to be maintained via free trade and exports, remember NAFTA, GATT, WTO? But we wouldn't be inundated with displaced Mexican corn farmers, working "uncompetitive" land , because the maquiladora factories would employ these farmers. And Americans would get rich from high value added products and services.

    Thinking back to the talking points on NAFTA circa 1992-3, it had a buttoned down , air tight logic to it. Reminds me of the Simpson's episode where principal Skinner explains how a Bolivian tree lizard proble will be solved.

    https://youtu.be/P9yruQM1ggc
  53. What kind of con man can accuse immigration restrictionists of being McGovernesque simpletons while in the same piece asserting that labor markets simply don’t work, for reasons unbeknownst to economists?

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  54. Maybe if we put this in terms liberals understand: James Cameron’s Avatar blue people:

    “For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Omaticaya prefer a dying blue Pandora to a place like, say, Houston.”

    And these are people with a serious housing problem after the upstart immigrants made their tree-city unlivable (giant tree-b-que). What they really need is more immigrant labor to fix that problem.

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  55. @Zachary Latif
    If white America is "dying" then so is Korea, Japan and most of the developing world.

    The best analogy is that my tribe is the richest and my tribe isn't having as many kids as the neighbouring tribes for some reason. Then I'm told by the neighbouring tribe to adopt their surfeit children since my clan is "dying".

    To extend the analogy even further I'm not allowed to impose my tribal ways or identity on the newly adopted kids since that would be offensive to their heritage.

    After a while it simply won't be my tribe anymore one way or the other.

    So better to go back to basics and find out why my tribe isn't having as many children and what I can do to help them instead of mocking them for "dying." Kind of like what the Israelis did..

    Furthermore, a tribe adjusting its size to available resources isn’t dying at all. I’d say a tribe that’s growing out of control is on the way out.

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  56. @Jack D

    Employers have apparently decided raising wages won’t work. …

    In other words, the labor shortage hasn’t led to higher wages
     

    Wow, that's really amazing. You mean that whole supply/demand curve thing is completely wrong? The laws of economics have been repealed? How about the law of gravity next?

    What if, say, drywall sanders got paid as much as NY Times pundits, would there still be a shortage of Americans willing to sand drywall? Is there really no amount of money that would balance the supply and demand for construction labor? Or has the inflation adjusted price of labor not risen in 30 years because the supply keeps going up thanks to immigration? Which explanation better fits the understanding of market economics that has prevailed for the last 200 years?

    And what was the basis of their “apparently decided?”

    “Employers have apparently decided raising wages won’t work.…” which actually means, employers have “apparently decided” not to raise wages.

    The key sentence of his article goes unexplored, all to “prove” his [mis]point.

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  57. @Simon in London
    "dying white America"

    Genocidal scum. Anyone who uses this phrase with approval is genocidal scum.

    White America is “dying” because people like (((David Brooks))) have been working hard to kill it.

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  58. @IHTG
    Sailer! It's time to test your hypothesis: https://melmagazine.com/meet-the-leader-of-the-swoleleft-403a29ebbe89#.52g6b77v8

    LOL!

    I love how stories like this always talk about a “wave of hate crimes” like it’s just an established fact — like you can’t even walk down the street without encountering Nazi goon squads terrorizing liberals. Jesus, the make-believe drama these people need to give meaning to their lives…

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  59. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    One of the Beautiful People openly expresses his contempt and blood lust against “dying white America” and . . . all you take from it is some fevered attempt to bold any reference Brooks has of water related concepts?

    Get a grip Sailer.

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    • Replies: @guest
    Contempt and bloodlust against dying white America is at least half-"dog bites man" these days, even for "conservatives" like Brooks. They're not usually this transparent, but the difference is marginal. You need another angle to make it news.
  60. @Cattle Guard
    I'm tired of journalists and talking about how much we hate them. I'm ready to move to some other subject, such as the horse the journalists rode in on.

    NYT and Brooks: remember that the road apple doesn’t fall far from the horse’s ass.

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  61. @IHTG
    Sailer! It's time to test your hypothesis: https://melmagazine.com/meet-the-leader-of-the-swoleleft-403a29ebbe89#.52g6b77v8

    Well hat tip nonetheless! He’s showing good progress…..and testosterone eventually “rights” ones worldview.

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  62. @Nigerian Nationalist
    "For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston."

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.

    Personal opinion on this, y'all have treated other minorities like exotic pets that you assume the reverse will hold when you're the pets.

    My money is on "won't happen".

    Here is a foot-soldier member of the Brooks team hitting the streets on Inauguration Day. This man also turned out to be Jewish.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hluCjQR3mvA/hqdefault.jpg

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  63. @Zachary Latif
    If white America is "dying" then so is Korea, Japan and most of the developing world.

    The best analogy is that my tribe is the richest and my tribe isn't having as many kids as the neighbouring tribes for some reason. Then I'm told by the neighbouring tribe to adopt their surfeit children since my clan is "dying".

    To extend the analogy even further I'm not allowed to impose my tribal ways or identity on the newly adopted kids since that would be offensive to their heritage.

    After a while it simply won't be my tribe anymore one way or the other.

    So better to go back to basics and find out why my tribe isn't having as many children and what I can do to help them instead of mocking them for "dying." Kind of like what the Israelis did..

    Though I’m sure all here are aware of this, excellent description

    How very cucky. Will be great for illuminating those confused by the term

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  64. @slumber_j

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.
     
    David Brooks is Jewish. Does that fact damp down some of the dissonance?

    Its early,I guess. Reading this piece,I thought it was David BROCK who wrote it. Brooks? Of course he’s a bird brained NOI (nation of immigrants,natch) shmuck. White? His son is considered the Audie Murphy of the Israeli army.

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  65. @IHTG
    Sailer! It's time to test your hypothesis: https://melmagazine.com/meet-the-leader-of-the-swoleleft-403a29ebbe89#.52g6b77v8

    Which hypothesis? The one that Brooks parasitizes Steve for ideas?

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    I think the referent is Steve's theory that conservatives more commonly embrace weight-lifting and related anaerobic calisthenics while leftists more commonly embrace running and similar aerobic exercise.

    I don't know what to make of it myself, being as I've run well over fifty marathons and I am probably as racist* a person as you could meet.

    In any event, if a trend emerges of meathead leftists beating up conservatives for merely attempting to speak and assemble, I foresee a lot of them (the meatheads) dying of gunshot wounds.

    *By modern, commonly accepted standards – which is to say my views on race would have been no bar to a successful bid for the presidency c. 1992.

  66. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Did you know that every fish comes readily supplied with its own private little water supply?

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  67. @Wilkey
    Brooks misses the fact that once a career path has been distorted by immigrant labor (especially of the illegal variety) no sane white person would choose to go into that career. The message has been sent that his trade can and will be undercut on a complete political whim.

    When I was a kid there were lots of white men around in construction, and lots of people who talked about the good money that could be made in it. Nowadays I seldom pass a construction site with white workers around.

    Additionally, I don't think that lifting wages is necessarily the primary benefit of cutting immigtation. It's the greater *inequality* caused by mass immigration - it drives up land values and increases the wealth of businessmen who profit from their business and labor. That disadvantages native-born Americans who aren't born into wealth. For working class Americans affordable housing in neighbrhoods that don't feel like Tijuana or Mogadishu becomes difficult, and oftentimes only possible with two adults working full-time.

    I can’t agree more with this. The same thing has happened in IT. IT used to have some status associated with it. But the vibe nowadays is more in the line of “that’s work for coolies”. I have advised all of my kids not to follow me into software work.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Where are you advising they go instead?
    , @Autochthon
    I work in the Santa Clara Valley. When software engineers are sought by my employer, any candidate with the slightest affiliation with so-called "IT" (network administration, developmental operations, etc.), no matter how amazing his credentials for the matter at hand may be – i.e., no matter how amazing otherwise he is as an actual software engineer) – is treated as tainted by the stink of death and utterly undesirable.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Bastion said "The same thing has happened in IT. IT used to have some status associated with it. But the vibe nowadays is more in the line of “that’s work for coolies”. I have advised all of my kids not to follow me into software work."

    Me too. I have made a decent living writing code but those days are gone. Thanks H1-Bs and the traitors who hire and make them possible; may you too be out-sourced someday! I told my kids they should get themselves a nice government job.

  68. Here is the George Borjas study that completely debunks everything Brooks writes: http://cis.org/immigration-and-the-american-worker-review-academic-literature

    I’ve heard bad things about Houston as it stands right now–but would that city survive if it weren’t for the oil & gas industry and the fact it’s currently in a business friendly state? Imagine Houston with California’s draconian anti-business and anti-drilling laws, which is probably their future considering how many Democrats they import daily.

    Also, we know high levels of social trust is a precursor to a good business environment and diversity erodes social trust. Somehow hacks like David Brooks miss this.

    And it’s not an abundance of low skilled workers that make an economy great; It’s the high IQ entrepreneurs who actually create high paying jobs. Otherwise, Mexico and all other places with an excess of cheap labor would be thriving economically. They’re not.

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  69. @IHTG
    Sailer! It's time to test your hypothesis: https://melmagazine.com/meet-the-leader-of-the-swoleleft-403a29ebbe89#.52g6b77v8

    It was the first time he had witnessed someone “directly threatening someone else” in his five years in New York City.

    This statement goes to the witness’ credibility.

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    New York is a lot more genteel than when I spent a lot of time there from 1979-1991, but still ...
  70. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Simon in London
    "dying white America"

    Genocidal scum. Anyone who uses this phrase with approval is genocidal scum.

    “dying white America”

    Genocidal scum. Anyone who uses this phrase with approval is genocidal scum.

    I totally agree. Reading crap like this makes me sick.

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  71. The last media report on David Brooks’ residence indicates he lived in the Cleveland Park neighborhood of Washington, DC. From what I can tell, this is right in the middle of the lily-white part of the city.

    So, I guess the question is why does David Brooks prefer this dying white, though expensive, American neighborhood rather than a more diverse neighborhood that resembles Houston?

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  72. “That is, until you actually get out in the real world.”

    Has Brooks ever even seen the “real world.” Who here thinks Brooks has ever set foot on a job site or swung a hammer? Bueller? Bueller?

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    People don't really swing hammers much nowadays. Mostly they shoot nail guns.
  73. “They drive economic activity all the way down the river …” Isn’t that a quote from Uncle Tom’s Cabin?

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  74. What I don’t understand is why Brooks doesn’t understand that I want a stable and prosperous country for this dying old white guy to leave to my grandchildren. It is that simple, but Brooks and others of his ilk, are already set for the next few generations.

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    As the main character observes in Houellebecq's Submission, "There is no Israel for me."
  75. @Jack D
    By lake/river he is trying to distinguish between static and dynamic analysis. So for example, bringing in immigrant workers not only increases the supply of construction labor but it also increases the demand for it, because the immigrants themselves need to be housed.

    But, by definition, the increased demand will be less than in increased supply because people only spend maybe 25% of their wages on housing (in reality sometimes less because immigrants will live 10 to a room to save $). So instead of stealing 1 job from the American labor pool (or "lake") the immigrant only steals 3/4 of a job from the labor river. Big deal.

    Once you start doing the accounting on immigrants it doesn't add up. Unskilled immigrants and their children unto the nth generation are net consumers of government services, etc. 50 years of immigration has not made the average American richer but it sure has made the 1% richer.

    By lake/river he is trying to distinguish between static and dynamic analysis.

    Brooks created confusing aquatic metaphors for economic concepts. So does his river analogy mean that having more illegal Mexicans coming into the watershed from upstream than dead white guys going out downstream raises the river level? Does stinky sewer water coming in from upstream adequately replace the pure mountain spring water going out downstream? What happens if the rising river jumps its bank and floods the surrounding countryside, drowning everyone in its path? If I end up with a big catfish in my lawn hammock I’m going to hit Brooks in the head with it.

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  76. OT: Steve had a lot of fun with the “they” in Berkeley. Here’s a column at INSIDE HIGHER ED by another “they”, this “they” just as nutty as the Berkeley “they”.

    ‘Playing The Game’ for Black Grad Students

    https://www.insidehighered.com/advice/2017/02/24/lessons-learned-black-phd-student-essay#disqus_thread

    Bio: Eric Anthony Grollman is a black queer non-binary intellectual activist and a sociology professor at the University of Richmond. They are the editor of “Conditionally Accepted,” a weekly career advice column for marginalized scholars on Inside Higher Ed.

    Judging from the linked column, this “they” is far more obsessed by racial stuff than even Teh Genius Coates.

    And if you want to comment there, be aware that the comment moderation at IHE is often heavy-handed.

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    • Replies: @Calvin X Hobbes
    Disallowed comment at linked IHE column:

    I've been wondering whether it's "they are" or "they is" when the "they" is one person.

    Am I allowed to use "they is" when it's one person if that feels more comfortable to me?
  77. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Wilkey
    Brooks misses the fact that once a career path has been distorted by immigrant labor (especially of the illegal variety) no sane white person would choose to go into that career. The message has been sent that his trade can and will be undercut on a complete political whim.

    When I was a kid there were lots of white men around in construction, and lots of people who talked about the good money that could be made in it. Nowadays I seldom pass a construction site with white workers around.

    Additionally, I don't think that lifting wages is necessarily the primary benefit of cutting immigtation. It's the greater *inequality* caused by mass immigration - it drives up land values and increases the wealth of businessmen who profit from their business and labor. That disadvantages native-born Americans who aren't born into wealth. For working class Americans affordable housing in neighbrhoods that don't feel like Tijuana or Mogadishu becomes difficult, and oftentimes only possible with two adults working full-time.

    Brooks misses the fact that once a career path has been distorted by immigrant labor (especially of the illegal variety) no sane white person would choose to go into that career. The message has been sent that his trade can and will be undercut on a complete political whim.

    This is a really good point.

    Construction is hard, many families demean physical labor and construction is highly cyclical.

    Perrhaps one reason our elites seem obsessed with having everyone go to college and that many schools have cut shop classes is to (1) create a strong impression among all Americans that physical labor and blue collar jobs are low status work and (2) ensure that few Americans are prepared for that kind of work.

    Ergo, we need immigrants who will do the jobs Americans won’t and can’t do!

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  78. The number and scope of logical fallacies in Brooks’ essay gave me vertigo.

    “If America were as simple as a lake, builders would just raise wages, incomes would rise and the problem would be over.”

    Notice that Brooks does not claim that builders actually experimented with wage increases and they yielded no increase in the supply of labor. Brooks is merely stating the employers’ “unproven” claim. “unproven” in parens because wage related labor supply and demand laws are well proven.

    And the reason why employers will not increase wages one iota to induce more Americans into the labor supply is that they will do ANYTHING not to disrupt the existing cheap immigrant model. I.e., they are willing to turn down tactical opportunities to make money today in order to maintain their strategic Crony business model.

    That’s why farmers will let field of ripe produce rot rather than pay more to have it harvested. Because the farmers know that an increased wage this year will become the new baseline for follow on seasons. Better to take a one year hit with the objective of paying 6 bucks an hour under the table with no benefits again next year.

    For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston.

    A dying white America will not go away simply because it’s been kicked in the teeth by the Crony Elites. Elites may move to Houston where they can have all of the grunt work done by exploited, low-wage immigrants, but the Deplorables in Appalachia, NY State, NE Pennsylvania, West Virginia as well as in the bombed out cities like Gary and Camden will still be there.

    Apart from seducing them into perpetual learned helplessness with government hand-outs as well as easy access to cheap opioid drugs, what does Brooks propose doing with them if low wage immigrants are brought in to do all the work?

    P.S. Notice how wizened Elites (AKA Crony Tools) like Brooks who call for open borders are safely immune from replacement by an H-1B immigrant. How convenient…

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  79. @Nigerian Nationalist
    "For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston."

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.

    Personal opinion on this, y'all have treated other minorities like exotic pets that you assume the reverse will hold when you're the pets.

    My money is on "won't happen".

    Your first mistake is concluding that David Brooks is ‘white’. He’s not. ‘White’ means those descended from European Christendom, not just having a pale complexion; just like ‘black’ means descended from sub-Saharan Africans, and doesn’t mean someone from South India just because he’s very dark.

    David Brooks is Jewish. He is cheering for the death of a rival population, not the destruction of his own.

    What you see as unfathomable ‘white attacking their own’ is the neo-con Jews (from Tim Wise to David Brooks to Bill Kristol) combining with a cadre of white elites that are no longer tied to their people or nation but to the globalist model (The Bushes, the Clintons, et. al.). It’s not insignificant that there is increasing intermarriage between these two groups.

    This group despises the rank-and-file white people who do NOT hate themselves, and who are increasingly nationalistic.

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  80. @Jack D

    Employers have apparently decided raising wages won’t work. …

    In other words, the labor shortage hasn’t led to higher wages
     

    Wow, that's really amazing. You mean that whole supply/demand curve thing is completely wrong? The laws of economics have been repealed? How about the law of gravity next?

    What if, say, drywall sanders got paid as much as NY Times pundits, would there still be a shortage of Americans willing to sand drywall? Is there really no amount of money that would balance the supply and demand for construction labor? Or has the inflation adjusted price of labor not risen in 30 years because the supply keeps going up thanks to immigration? Which explanation better fits the understanding of market economics that has prevailed for the last 200 years?

    Not to mention his assumption that raising construction wages has actually been tried (I realize this is implicit in your sarcasm, but think it’s worth making explicit).
    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

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  81. @Nigerian Nationalist
    "For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston."

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.

    Personal opinion on this, y'all have treated other minorities like exotic pets that you assume the reverse will hold when you're the pets.

    My money is on "won't happen".

    At least this is a somewhat innovative form of trolling.

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    Below is the second most popular “Readers Pick” comment for Brooks’ article. (it was also a NYT Pick).

    Ed, Homestead, 5 hours ago

    Sorry, you are absolutely wrong on this. I have been in construction and raised in a construction household my entire life. When I was young construction workers were highly valued and earned higher wages than most public employees. The men, woman were still expected to be mothers, had a sense of self worth from having earned enough to live the American Dream, a secure house, education for their children, vacation time, and health care that they could afford, as well as a sense that they would be able to retire comfortably one day. The work has not changed, but the value of the worker has. In my neighborhood there was doctors, Corporate Executives, Postal workers, construction workers, you name it. It was a cohesive society in which what you did mattered, but who you were mattered as well, and the division of wealth was still there, but not sufficient enough to segregate the community. All children went to the same schools and played together in the same streets. The devaluation of the value of labor occurred the same way it was earned. Labor unions cost the sacrifice of many, and was lost by the negligence of many. You want to emulate the German workforce? They are no different from us, but they still have the respect of the German Corporate leaders and professional society. Our laborers do not, and it is our Political, Corporate, and Professional leaders fault that they do not. The well off in our society feed on the less fortunate and feel no shame.

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  83. David Brooks is most assuredly White. Vibrant Diverse people from Somalia and Syria would certainly view him as both White AND Jewish. And nothing good for Brooks would come of it. This is obvious.

    BUT … the HATE HATE HATE of Puritan culture types, who see themselves as a tiny neo-Calvinist predestined saved band of light against utter (BadWhite) Darkness is just too strong for survival instincts to overcome.

    This is NOT a Jewish thing — how good for Jews has Somalia or Syrian been? How many live there? Even Sarah Silverman can figure out that importing half the population from there will be very, very bad for her now that she’s hit the wall at full speed impact.

    It *IS* a thing of the Inter-White War, since the first Viking Raids in Britain. HBD has bad implications for Whites; a band of highly cooperative, communal, group-think people with distributed, non-top down social control has wreaked havoc on the West since 800 AD. Ask Ethelred or King Harold. Brooks as an intermarried, adoptive son of the Lutefisk, is not going to tolerate us BadWhites any second longer, see Ashley Judd, George Clooney, Hillary Clinton, or John McCain.

    This will NEVER stop — its in their DNA. Scandinavians and non-Scandinavians just cannot get along. Look at Sweden and Germany. In Sweden their women are replacing their men wholesale, they’d rather live in poverty and violence with dominating men with the IQ of a turnip than safety with “boring” men from their own people. And Germany is set to elect the SPD on the platform of Open Borders and letting immigrants illegal and not … VOTE.

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    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    David Brooks is most assuredly White.
     
    Nope. He may be sorta pale, but he ain’t White.

    Vibrant Diverse people from Somalia and Syria
     
    Are often quite stupid.

    And nothing good for Brooks would come of it.
     
    Some people will cut off their schnozz to spite their face.

    This is obvious.
     
    Yes, your ‘explanation’ is obvious.
  84. Isn’t Brooks saying essentially the same thing Kristol did, namely, that we need to get a new people to replace our native born white stock? I wonder if the time will come when Americans will look back on these words with the same kind of moral dismay we do now when we read the words of Progressive eugenicists of a bygone era (Margaret Sanger for instance) or southern Democrats in the era of Jim Crow?

    Can’t remember but has Brooks also suggested we somehow get rid of Trump the way Kristol did when he said he would prefer a deep state coup to the democratic process in the present situation? At what point do these guys step over the line of respectable opinion?

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    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Kristol seemed to be saying straight up that Whites are inferior.
    , @AnotherDad

    Isn’t Brooks saying essentially the same thing Kristol did, namely, that we need to get a new people to replace our native born white stock? I wonder if the time will come when Americans will look back on these words with the same kind of moral dismay we do now when we read the words of Progressive eugenicists of a bygone era (Margaret Sanger for instance) or southern Democrats in the era of Jim Crow?
     
    It's much worse than those. The old progressive eugenicists had a coherent positive program. Basically the wanted everyone (i.e. the working class, Catholics, blacks) to act more like the upper-middle class protestants that they were--educated, responsible, abstemious, low-fertility. The southern whites of the Jim Crow era had a less positive program (for blacks), but simply wanted to maintain their own white traditions, culture which would be difficult--as has proven to be the case--with integration and black voting rights. Not particularly positive for blacks, but a big dose of "mixing won't end well" realism and certainly not genocidal.

    In contrast Brooks and Kristol essentially cheer on genocide\race replacement of white gentiles. It's not pitched at the level of Hitler's program--no einstazgruppen, no camps, no mass murder. But the long term end results is the same--you abolish white gentile nations and flood them with foreigners, so white gentiles themselves are abolished. It's more drawing room friendly, less dirty, but actually larger in scale. Pure evil.
    , @Kylie
    "I wonder if the time will come when Americans will look back on these words with the same kind of moral dismay we do now when we read the words of Progressive eugenicists of a bygone era (Margaret Sanger for instance) or southern Democrats in the era of Jim Crow?"

    We?
    , @David Davenport
    At what point do these guys step over the line of respectable opinion?

    You assume that there's a respectable line of American opinion remaining. Maybe it's a mistake to assume that.


    Define "respectable opinion."

  85. @Buffalo Joe
    Opi, Because I've been to Houston and there are two distinct cities.

    The half of Houston with immigrants and their kids is great. But that’s a select group of high-functioning people brought in by the oil industry, a very misleading example for Brooks to choose.

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  86. @Simon in London
    "dying white America"

    Genocidal scum. Anyone who uses this phrase with approval is genocidal scum.

    David Brooks is a Jew.

    David Brooks pushes nation-wrecking mass immigration.

    David Brooks supports the use of mass immigration as a demographic weapon to destroy European Christian nations.

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  87. The problem is that American society is actually more like the Oroville Dam Main Spillway. Sometimes the spillway is running high, with a lot of volume and flow, concrete decking destroyed, hillside eroded, boulders tossed like toys, with lots of downstream effects for everybody, and sometimes it’s running low.

    http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/fmaaul/picture133932374/ALTERNATES/FREE_640/spillway

    MOAR MOAR MOAR, screamed David.

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  88. American society does not resemble a river that I know of. From all I can tell, its just some weird and awkward metaphor to assume an infinite of resources which isn’t there.

    Assuming a flow based model doesn’t change the fact that increasing the number of consumers to presumably, in this case, fixed output of resources still results in less resources for everyone.

    I lived in a lot of primarily white cities. They didn’t seem too dying to me. Its pretty circular if you define vibrancy simply by the number of minorities in proportion to whites.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    A flow based model doesn’t change the fact that increasing the number of consumers to presumably, in this case, fixed output of resources still results in less resources for everyone.


    Devil's advocate here--why should we assume a fixed output of resources in this scenario? For example, housing stock grows.
  89. Via http://www.trivisonno.com/demographics

    One of the talking-points of the globalists is that we must flood the country with millions of immigrants right now, because demographics. And we are dying off so fast that we don’t have time to vet them – even if they are tuberculosis-ridden jihadis, the borders must be thrown open to all comers.

    However, the demographics argument can be refuted with one word: Israel.

    In 2015, the U.S. Patent Office awarded 3,804 patents to Israel, and 3,415 to India. Soaking wet, Israel has 8 million people, while India has 1.3 billion. Clearly, when it comes to progress, population means nothing.

    And what about geopolitical power? Remember back in 2009 when Vice President Joe Biden was trash-talking Russia? Here’s a quote:

    “Russia has to make some very difficult, calculated decisions. They have a shrinking population base, they have a withering economy, they have a banking sector and structure that is not likely to be able to withstand the next 15 years, they’re in a situation where the world is changing before them and they’re clinging to something in the past that is not sustainable.”

    And what has happened since then? The Russians steamrolled the Obama/Biden administration in the Ukraine and Syria. And considering their victory in Georgia, they are on a three-war winning streak against the USA, which has more than double the population. And if you believe the Democrats, Putin kicked them right out of Washington by seizing control of our presidential election with superior cyber-war skills.

    The hyper-xenophobic Japanese have essentially zero immigration, and are often cited as a people dying off. And yet, Japan still sports a $4.7 trillion economy, the third-largest in the world behind the USA and China. Not too shabby. Does anybody really think the wheels will fall off of Japan if they don’t embrace mass-immigration?

    But what about Social Security? Who will pay into it when we are all too feeble to work? Don’t we need mass-immigration to keep Social Security afloat? Well, if that were the real reason for our mass-immigration policy, then why don’t we have an age-limit for immigrants? According to the Migration Policy Institute, the median age of an immigrant was 43.1 years in 2013 – halfway to retirement age.

    Also, think about what happens when a 45 year-old IT worker is replaced with a 25 year-old immigrant from India. The American stops paying into Social Security because he no longer receives a paycheck. And since the Indian is paid much less (the whole reason for bringing him in) he pays less into Social Security. So, there is a net loss of revenue to the program; the difference, of course, being diverted into corporate profits. Not only that, but once the Indian gets his green card, he can sponsor his parents to come here, thus worsening our demographics! What’s more is that some immigrant seniors qualify to receive Social Security. As of 2010, there were 5 million senior immigrants in the country.

    Now, if you intend to operate a slave state, then yes indeed, mass-immigration is the stuff. Or if you are trying to stuff the ballot box with Democratic votes, then mass-immigration is the proven elixir. And those have been the two guiding principles of our immigration policy.

    By and large, the scare-stories about demographics that you read in the media are flat-out propaganda – just like the self-driving car hype.

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  90. I’m sorry but white dominated societies are the scourge of the earth. The only people who disagree with that statement are white males. That tells you something right there.

    You loses will fall in defeat

    The twitter suspensions that took place recently are only the beginning. We took Milo down. We took Bannon down. We are lighting up GOP town halls. We are calling out growing antisemitism

    You started this fight now we will finish it

    You guys have had your fun now prepare for justice

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    • Replies: @Mr. Blank
    He's back!

    The other sockpuppets just weren't as entertaining, Tiny.
    , @FX Enderby
    Great! Shorter David Brooks.
    , @BB753
    At last you're starting to make sense, Tiny Dancer! Beware, Trump never forgives nor forgets. And he never loses.
  91. It probably is beyond the imagination of Brooks that there are people and places that put a higher value on their community than money especially when the money to be made goes not to them but to some outside developers, financiers and speculators. It maybe inconceivable to a New York Jew that someone likes their town the way it is and does not want a Walmart, an Olive Garden or a Home Depot with a parking lot full of mestizo day laborers. They like the town and the people in it the way it was before Brooks and his kind showed up!

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  92. @Opinionator

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.
     
    We aren't sure whether Brooks considers himself to be White.

    Personal opinion on this, y’all have treated other minorities like exotic pets that you assume the reverse will hold when you’re the pets.

    My money is on “won’t happen”.
     
    What does it mean to be treated as an exotic pet versus not?

    Generally, they do consider themselves White, but their innate thought processes distinguish between White Jews and White Goys. When Brooks is referring to dying Whites, he really means dying White Goys, but he doesn’t need to explicitly put it that way because everyone who reads the NYT knows what he is really saying.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    It really depends on which whites and which Jews. For example during the civil rights movement, a lot of Northern America Jews (a lot of Northern liberals period, of whom the Jews were a major component) identified more with the blacks struggling for their civil rights than they did with white Southerners. Southern Jews, much less numerous but often deeply imbedded in the fabric of their small towns, did the opposite - they identified mostly with their white neighbors .
  93. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston.

    This sort of nonsense on slits makes me just want punch this twit in the face rather than debate him, but…sigh…briefly:

    The non-hispanic white population in the US has risen from roughly 163 million to 197 million over the past 50 years. Slow growth? Sure. Dying? (Involuntary clinching of my fist…)

    On top of that, since Steve has irrefutably established that this nitwit regularly reads what Steve writes, s__ for brains knows all about Steve’s “cost of family formation” concept, and had the US not imported (voluntarily and involuntarily) roughly 50 million “vibrant, hardworking mom and apple pie Americans” over the past 50 years, this cost would almost certainly be WAY lower, and “dying white America” would be much larger than it is today…

    …but Houston, man I can’t wait to drop by the local cantina for a cerveza with the NY Times’ “Mr. Conservative”…he loves the city so much that I’m SURE he’s there ALL the time…

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  94. @Jack D
    Before air conditioning, no one in his right mind wanted to live south of the Mason-Dixon line in the summer. Houston had maybe 5 or 10 people. OK, a few hundred thousand but still maybe 1/8 of its current population.

    If you subscribe to James Kunstler or Dmitri Orlov or other writers like them, Peak Oil and climate change will render this whole argument moot.

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  95. @Simon in London
    "dying white America"

    Genocidal scum. Anyone who uses this phrase with approval is genocidal scum.

    Mr. Brooks actually uses the term “dying white America”—no big deal. What is the big deal is that he’s not about to discuss the consequences of that dying, is he? No, because that would raise the inevitable questions about achievement, productivity, and race.

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  96. @Daniel Chieh
    American society does not resemble a river that I know of. From all I can tell, its just some weird and awkward metaphor to assume an infinite of resources which isn't there.

    Assuming a flow based model doesn't change the fact that increasing the number of consumers to presumably, in this case, fixed output of resources still results in less resources for everyone.

    I lived in a lot of primarily white cities. They didn't seem too dying to me. Its pretty circular if you define vibrancy simply by the number of minorities in proportion to whites.

    A flow based model doesn’t change the fact that increasing the number of consumers to presumably, in this case, fixed output of resources still results in less resources for everyone.

    Devil’s advocate here–why should we assume a fixed output of resources in this scenario? For example, housing stock grows.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    We don't have to - thus the presumably. The notion of an infinitely cooperative game where more participants increase the amount of all meaningful resources is unlikely.

    To go back to our river metaphor, its possible that increasing the supply of fish will also increase the amount of fertilizer - but only so much will be used given the constraints of the bed, soil, plants. The total amount of useful energy will always decrease, as per the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

    From what I can tell, we mostly avoid it by increasing debt and assuming the infinite gift of the future will save us. As Sarah Toga's post notes, the present isn't working out that well and our effective debt we're carrying into the future is mindboggling.

    , @Autochthon
    Are you insane, retarded, evil, or merely innumerate? Do you by chance work for Representative Anna Eshoo (D – Assyria)? Buildings may be constructed, but realty is finite (as is water, wildlife, etc.) Inhabitable realty much more so, and comfortably habitable realty astronomically more so. Shall I move to the Mojave Desert so Guatamalens can occupy San Diego? Shall all of us with houses move to high-rise apartments to appease you and Jennifer Rubin?

    Are you advocating the Earth become Lucas' Coruscant? Shall we institute Carousel for those over thirty?

    Get 'em out by Friday!
    , @bomag

    For example, housing stock grows.
     
    But the supporting land base is a finite resource.

    At the height of the building boom circa 2008, someone chortled that a million acres a year of farmland was being converted to housing. Optimists tell me that we can "create" more farmland by innovating on marginal ground; or increasing production on the remaining; or building high rise housing, but the notion of innovating our way out of natural resource shortages is about the hollowest concept out there.

    There is acknowledgement of this inherent resource shortage in Brook's quip about "dying white America". If he really believed in infinity, there would be room on this planet for infinite white people, just like there is apparently room for infinite non-white people. But, alas, "white people" are just another resource under pressure and getting harder to acquire.

  97. @Calvin X Hobbes
    OT: Steve had a lot of fun with the "they" in Berkeley. Here's a column at INSIDE HIGHER ED by another "they", this "they" just as nutty as the Berkeley "they".

    'Playing The Game' for Black Grad Students

    https://www.insidehighered.com/advice/2017/02/24/lessons-learned-black-phd-student-essay#disqus_thread


    Bio: Eric Anthony Grollman is a black queer non-binary intellectual activist and a sociology professor at the University of Richmond. They are the editor of “Conditionally Accepted,” a weekly career advice column for marginalized scholars on Inside Higher Ed.

    Judging from the linked column, this "they" is far more obsessed by racial stuff than even Teh Genius Coates.

    And if you want to comment there, be aware that the comment moderation at IHE is often heavy-handed.

    Disallowed comment at linked IHE column:

    I’ve been wondering whether it’s “they are” or “they is” when the “they” is one person.

    Am I allowed to use “they is” when it’s one person if that feels more comfortable to me?

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  98. @slumber_j

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.
     
    David Brooks is Jewish. Does that fact damp down some of the dissonance?

    It surely does.

    Nothing more hilarious than counterfeit white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.

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  99. @Luke Lea
    Isn't Brooks saying essentially the same thing Kristol did, namely, that we need to get a new people to replace our native born white stock? I wonder if the time will come when Americans will look back on these words with the same kind of moral dismay we do now when we read the words of Progressive eugenicists of a bygone era (Margaret Sanger for instance) or southern Democrats in the era of Jim Crow?

    Can't remember but has Brooks also suggested we somehow get rid of Trump the way Kristol did when he said he would prefer a deep state coup to the democratic process in the present situation? At what point do these guys step over the line of respectable opinion?

    Kristol seemed to be saying straight up that Whites are inferior.

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  100. @slumber_j

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.
     
    David Brooks is Jewish. Does that fact damp down some of the dissonance?

    You’re arguing with a Nigerian. Nigerians are the thieves of Africa. Even other Africans loathe them as the scummiest of Africans. How low can a people go?

    Don’t waste your time disputing him — even Africans won’t.

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  101. Anyone who believes the law of supply and demand applies to labor is a zero-sum, 70s *liberal*! Only open borders advocates aren’t liberals anymore. Obviously open borders has led to economic growth for all, which is why he uses phrases like “dying white America.” Only slow-growth 70s liberals care about the survival of white America./s

    Why must the mind of David Brooks be constantly harassed by these liberal Lake People?

    (I cannot relate to these so-called conservatives anymore, even on a basis of disagreement. I literally don’t know what he’s saying. Does it make sense to him? I could parse his article sentence by sentence, but I feel all that would leave me with is a the constant, subliminal message: “please, let me keep my paycheck.”

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  102. @Alfa158
    Generally, they do consider themselves White, but their innate thought processes distinguish between White Jews and White Goys. When Brooks is referring to dying Whites, he really means dying White Goys, but he doesn't need to explicitly put it that way because everyone who reads the NYT knows what he is really saying.

    It really depends on which whites and which Jews. For example during the civil rights movement, a lot of Northern America Jews (a lot of Northern liberals period, of whom the Jews were a major component) identified more with the blacks struggling for their civil rights than they did with white Southerners. Southern Jews, much less numerous but often deeply imbedded in the fabric of their small towns, did the opposite – they identified mostly with their white neighbors .

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    Quite true. Liberal Jews distinguish between what John Derbyshire calls GoodWhites and BadWhites. Most of them consider themselves to be GoodWhites. In my experience with friends and relatives who are Jewish, they overwhelmingly consider themselves to be White with an asterisk. The most radical ones have decided that they are not really White, and Jewish is an identify entirely separate from White. I think people like Brooks fall into the category of regarding themselves as GoodWhites who are working towards allowing the BadWhites to become extinct.
  103. Isn’t Brooks reinventing here the “iron wage law” – wages can impossibly get higher – which was so popular in the 19th century until Marx crushed it in theory and the unions crushed it in practice?
    And isn’t this kind of “modern” economy in fact a backfall into the conventional wisdoms of about 1870?

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  104. Brooks must be happy to see mortality rates for whites is rising.
    The WSJ reports today that the mortality rate for Chinese men has been rising for the last decade.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-chinese-men-are-dying-1487933230

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    @Jack D

    Employers have apparently decided raising wages won’t work. …

    In other words, the labor shortage hasn’t led to higher wages
     

    Wow, that's really amazing. You mean that whole supply/demand curve thing is completely wrong? The laws of economics have been repealed? How about the law of gravity next?

    What if, say, drywall sanders got paid as much as NY Times pundits, would there still be a shortage of Americans willing to sand drywall? Is there really no amount of money that would balance the supply and demand for construction labor? Or has the inflation adjusted price of labor not risen in 30 years because the supply keeps going up thanks to immigration? Which explanation better fits the understanding of market economics that has prevailed for the last 200 years?

    is there really no amount of money that would balance the supply and demand for construction labor?

    This is America. People will do nearly anything if the price is right. Whether it is women “stripping” to get money for college or idiots like the Kardashians making fools of themselves on television, most Americans will do practically anything you want them to if the price is right.

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  106. @Opinionator

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.
     
    We aren't sure whether Brooks considers himself to be White.

    Personal opinion on this, y’all have treated other minorities like exotic pets that you assume the reverse will hold when you’re the pets.

    My money is on “won’t happen”.
     
    What does it mean to be treated as an exotic pet versus not?

    I think he was trying to say that when non-whites are the majority they won’t be as nice to the white minority as whites were to non-whites when the ran the show.

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    Yeah, I am wondering how that actually would look, how it would manifest itself.
  107. @Jack D
    By lake/river he is trying to distinguish between static and dynamic analysis. So for example, bringing in immigrant workers not only increases the supply of construction labor but it also increases the demand for it, because the immigrants themselves need to be housed.

    But, by definition, the increased demand will be less than in increased supply because people only spend maybe 25% of their wages on housing (in reality sometimes less because immigrants will live 10 to a room to save $). So instead of stealing 1 job from the American labor pool (or "lake") the immigrant only steals 3/4 of a job from the labor river. Big deal.

    Once you start doing the accounting on immigrants it doesn't add up. Unskilled immigrants and their children unto the nth generation are net consumers of government services, etc. 50 years of immigration has not made the average American richer but it sure has made the 1% richer.

    Well said Jack.

    But it’s even more bogus than that:

    –> The immigrants suppress American construction worker supply.
    There are a lot of “non-bookish” guys who don’t belong in college either by IQ or the desire for physical work and that slice of guys did do construction in earlier generations. Yeah, the boys coming out of the feminized school system are less manly. But the main reason they are reluctant to do construction now is precisely because open immigration and especially illegal immigration have made it an uncertain, low-paying, shit career. End immigration once and for all and you’ll see construction filling back up with American boys in the span of 5 or 10 years.

    [Maybe Brooks doesn't know this growing up in Manhattan and then the established leafy Philadelphia Main Line, but when we were kids--and i'm only a few years older than Brooks--in those pre-immigration-tsunami days, white guys were building the houses--with more primitive equipment (hammers, not nail guns)--but they were nonetheless affordable and the construction workers could afford houses too.]

    And even more insane than that:

    –> The immigrants actually *raise* housing costs long term.
    As you point out these construction worker immigrants don’t consume all the housing they produce, so are just doing reduced job stealing from Americans. But they do have an effect. They take up housing *somewhere*. And the effect of that is that housing gets more expensive for Americans.

    Essentially immigrants–cheap labor–lowers the building cost of housing, but continually and *cumulatively* *raises* the land cost of housing, especially in the few remaining desirable (“good schools”) areas within otherwise immigrant heavy coastal areas.

    Brooks desired society ends up being like India, with low wages, but high housing prices because the place is so damn crowded. It’s a terrible effing way to live, and absolutely the converse of the American experience which was–*was*–cheap land and dear labor.

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    Brooks desired society ends up being like India, with low wages, but high housing prices because the place is so damn crowded. It’s a terrible effing way to live, and absolutely the converse of the American experience which was–*was*–cheap land and dear labor.

    You kind of beat me to it. I was going to make the analogy that if a country is a river, the end result of unfettered immigration is the Ganges.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution_of_the_Ganges

    Unfettered immigration in countries in a world of cheap travel and mostly closed borders to immigration also leads to a situation where the net migration rate will eventually reach zero after standards of living match the very worst countries in the world to live. This occurs after the denizens of the least livable countries in the world have made their way to what is for them a better option to the point that all countries with open borders are equally horrible places to live and on a par with the most horrible places to live in the world.

    We can use another watery analogy. S*** flows downhill. When barriers are removed, sewage flows until all areas have an equal level of sewage.
  108. @Zachary Latif
    If white America is "dying" then so is Korea, Japan and most of the developing world.

    The best analogy is that my tribe is the richest and my tribe isn't having as many kids as the neighbouring tribes for some reason. Then I'm told by the neighbouring tribe to adopt their surfeit children since my clan is "dying".

    To extend the analogy even further I'm not allowed to impose my tribal ways or identity on the newly adopted kids since that would be offensive to their heritage.

    After a while it simply won't be my tribe anymore one way or the other.

    So better to go back to basics and find out why my tribe isn't having as many children and what I can do to help them instead of mocking them for "dying." Kind of like what the Israelis did..

    So better to go back to basics and find out why my tribe isn’t having as many children and what I can do to help them instead of mocking them for “dying.”

    The conversation usually goes like this:

    Nativist: This mass immigration is having all sorts of bad effects.

    Internationalist/globalist: “We must have more immigrants because there’s no other solution to our labour shortage and in the long run there will be nobody to wipe our backsides when we are elderly and incapable.

    Nativist: Well, why not encourage our own people to have more children?

    Internationalist/globalist: You can’t say that! That’s what fascists do! You’re a racist! I’m calling the moderator/police [delete appropriately, depending on the country in which the conversation is taking place]

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  109. @Jack D
    By lake/river he is trying to distinguish between static and dynamic analysis. So for example, bringing in immigrant workers not only increases the supply of construction labor but it also increases the demand for it, because the immigrants themselves need to be housed.

    But, by definition, the increased demand will be less than in increased supply because people only spend maybe 25% of their wages on housing (in reality sometimes less because immigrants will live 10 to a room to save $). So instead of stealing 1 job from the American labor pool (or "lake") the immigrant only steals 3/4 of a job from the labor river. Big deal.

    Once you start doing the accounting on immigrants it doesn't add up. Unskilled immigrants and their children unto the nth generation are net consumers of government services, etc. 50 years of immigration has not made the average American richer but it sure has made the 1% richer.

    Yes, Ol’ Brooksy is pushing shell game-style bogus economic punditry. It’s transparent sophistry. For who really believes there’s a strict one-to-one loss of jobs due to immigration? People may talk like that, but we all know in reality economics is more complicated. But it’s not voodoo, wherein magic somehow turns neo-Americans into job creators for the indigenous population. Which Brooks knows, hence his reference to Dying White America (DWA).

    We care most about net job loss/gain due to immigration. Hard to make a a case that’s improved since they threw the borders open wide and never shut them. It’d be one thing if Brooks types said something like “Evil government/liberals/demon spirits stepped in and stopped it from being the utopia it was supposed to be.” Which would at least be an argument. And they do say that, but they also say, “We have had economic growth, and everything is better, shut up. Who cares about white America, specifically? What are you, a Nazi?”

    The river/lake thing is an updated pie analogy, which we’re all sick of. We’re not dividing up the same old pie, Joe Dyingwhite. The pie as a whole is bigger, so your piece is bigger. Or, in other words, you’re not standing in a stagnant, mosquito-filled lake; you’re in a raging river, swelled by torrential rainfall. That’s dynamics, Joe. Your stupid brain is too static, just like 70s liberals against whom us neocons won an eternal victory, giving us the perpetual right to be listened to.

    Except the pie never quite gets bigger. I mean, the economy grows, but the dying white part of America is still dying. They’re getting worse off, relatively. Which doesn’t matter to Brooksy, because the population of the world is interchangeable. Who cares if this guy instead of that has a job? Unless it’s politically important to convince that guy he’s better off. Then you promise him he will be better off, because immigrants will cause the river to swell. His position never improves, but at least the guy who owns the newspaper that pays your salary is making money.

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  110. Some cuckservative gossip:

    David Brooks is engaged to a woman 30 years younger than him. She was his research assistant for his last book. Brooks cheated on his ex wife with this much younger woman.

    What is Brooks currently working on? A book about commitment.

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  111. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston.

    Probably because Houston embodies the forces that are killing White America. As of the 2010 census, Houston is only 25.6% White Anglo…. While the Hispanic percentage is 43.7%….

    Back in 1970, Houston was 73.4% White…..and Hispanics composed only 11.3% of the city’s population…..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston#Demographics

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  112. @Jack D

    Employers have apparently decided raising wages won’t work. …

    In other words, the labor shortage hasn’t led to higher wages
     

    Wow, that's really amazing. You mean that whole supply/demand curve thing is completely wrong? The laws of economics have been repealed? How about the law of gravity next?

    What if, say, drywall sanders got paid as much as NY Times pundits, would there still be a shortage of Americans willing to sand drywall? Is there really no amount of money that would balance the supply and demand for construction labor? Or has the inflation adjusted price of labor not risen in 30 years because the supply keeps going up thanks to immigration? Which explanation better fits the understanding of market economics that has prevailed for the last 200 years?

    From my experience, you only have to sand the drywall where you taped and mudded over it. The hard part is the actual hanging of it; kills the shoulders.

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  113. I had an interesting experience this week with work:
    My position was eliminated over a year ago and for a while I applied for about 2 jobs a day -via networking, not just dropping online resumes. I have Bachelors and Masters degrees from top 5 schools and a track record of work accomplishment that is very good… A few months ago I had my eye on a particular position and a friend who used to have that same position submitted my resume for it internally…
    I am a white male over 35, so I am obsolete apparently, according to Michael Moore. I decided to start my own businesses instead.
    Last week I get a call from a recruiter about that particular position I had applied for. All Indian recruiting firm. The offer was: I could be a contractor (with no benefits) for the recruiting firm to fill the position that my white, male friend had had previously on a salary with benefits. I could do this for about $20-30K less/year than I had been making previously and about $40K less than my friend had been making.
    I have been steaming along to get my own business off the ground and had given up on getting hired anyway, but I went along with this for a few days -updated resume, phone interviews, etc. because I was curious as to the “wage arbitrage” operation these guys were running.
    Some of the information the recruiters were asking for seemed very sketchy to me and it really pissed me off that normal, community and alumni networking had been dis-intermediated by a foreign ethnic networking system.
    So this stuff is happening -not just to blue collar workers. I have seen a ton of wage stagnation, even backsliding among my fellows job-seekers this past year. A lot of divorces and depression.
    They should go back and Make India Less Shitty Again

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    similar situation for me and many of my co-workers. I too gave up looking last year and am using my 401K to start a business. Another reason Indians have taken over many IT departments, besides the lower salaries, they prefer to hire other Indians...basic discrimination against East Asians, Caucasians. Indians are quite fond of the caste system and seek to bring this with them to America.
    , @Jack D
    My guess is that there long term plan for that position is to fill it remotely from India. That way, instead of paying you 20% less than what your friend was making, they will pay some guy in Bangalore 80% less, once they have picked your brain of all relevant knowledge. He will communicate by Skype, email, etc. and of course have computer access so for the people he interfaces with, theoretically they don't care if he is down the hall or 8,000 miles away.
  114. @Opinionator

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.
     
    We aren't sure whether Brooks considers himself to be White.

    Personal opinion on this, y’all have treated other minorities like exotic pets that you assume the reverse will hold when you’re the pets.

    My money is on “won’t happen”.
     
    What does it mean to be treated as an exotic pet versus not?

    What does it mean to be treated as an exotic pet versus not?

    I think what he was getting at is that most pet owners wouldn’t, say, torture their dog to death with a blow torch because they were bored.

    https://www.amren.com/news/2017/02/british-woman-murdered-husband-left-dead-south-africa-tortured-blowtorch/

    These were reportedly good liberals who, I’m sure, believed that the local apex predators would realize they were big-time animal lovers etc and so would be their friends, like some puerile Disney plot.

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    Since the beginning of February 30 farms have have been attacked and 15 people have lost their lives in farm attacks across the country (South Africa).
     
    More of the dying Brooks is so anxious to encourage.
  115. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Would David Brooks ever live in a city like Houston? How non-white is his neighborhood or his childrens' schools?

    Brooks seems to live in an area where “many families demean physical labor.”

    Doesn’t sound like anywhere I’ve lived in this country. One does run into this attitude, of course, in the Middle East.

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    Not much in Israel anymore.

    Israeli immigrants are taking over in my neighborhood trades like locksmithery.

  116. Hmm. We could always cut welfare. What would the watery metaphor for that be? Turn off the spigot?

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  117. @Wilkey
    Brooks misses the fact that once a career path has been distorted by immigrant labor (especially of the illegal variety) no sane white person would choose to go into that career. The message has been sent that his trade can and will be undercut on a complete political whim.

    When I was a kid there were lots of white men around in construction, and lots of people who talked about the good money that could be made in it. Nowadays I seldom pass a construction site with white workers around.

    Additionally, I don't think that lifting wages is necessarily the primary benefit of cutting immigtation. It's the greater *inequality* caused by mass immigration - it drives up land values and increases the wealth of businessmen who profit from their business and labor. That disadvantages native-born Americans who aren't born into wealth. For working class Americans affordable housing in neighbrhoods that don't feel like Tijuana or Mogadishu becomes difficult, and oftentimes only possible with two adults working full-time.

    There still are a lot of white men in construction, and you can still make good money of you are hard working and fast thinking.
    There are some jobs where it’s just impossible to compete with illegals because you have to have workers insurance and they don’t. It’s not so much the wages, they aren’t getting paid below minimum wage.

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    What kills me are when I see a crew of Mexican tree-trimmers with nobody wearing a hard hat. One guy is 30 feet up in the tree sawing off branches that weigh 50 pounds or so, while a couple of guys are down on the ground picking up the branches that are falling all around them. You might think that everybody should be wearing his own $50 hard hat in case they get whomped on the head by a falling tree branch, but, no, that would be too much government regulation in our Cheap Labor utopia. If they get hit on their bare head, they go to the emergency room and get $25,000 worth of health care.
  118. @Wilkey
    Brooks misses the fact that once a career path has been distorted by immigrant labor (especially of the illegal variety) no sane white person would choose to go into that career. The message has been sent that his trade can and will be undercut on a complete political whim.

    When I was a kid there were lots of white men around in construction, and lots of people who talked about the good money that could be made in it. Nowadays I seldom pass a construction site with white workers around.

    Additionally, I don't think that lifting wages is necessarily the primary benefit of cutting immigtation. It's the greater *inequality* caused by mass immigration - it drives up land values and increases the wealth of businessmen who profit from their business and labor. That disadvantages native-born Americans who aren't born into wealth. For working class Americans affordable housing in neighbrhoods that don't feel like Tijuana or Mogadishu becomes difficult, and oftentimes only possible with two adults working full-time.

    When I was a kid there were lots of white men around in construction, and lots of people who talked about the good money that could be made in it. Nowadays I seldom pass a construction site with white workers around.

    It was also common in those days for construction crews to hire college kids during the summer season.

    Students shouldered more of the cost of college themselves through sources other than student loans and earnings from a summer job were an important part of this.

    It would be interesting to see statistics on percentages of current vs. past college students who held summer jobs and what type of jobs (construction vs retail vs government, for example).

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  119. @Luke Lea
    Isn't Brooks saying essentially the same thing Kristol did, namely, that we need to get a new people to replace our native born white stock? I wonder if the time will come when Americans will look back on these words with the same kind of moral dismay we do now when we read the words of Progressive eugenicists of a bygone era (Margaret Sanger for instance) or southern Democrats in the era of Jim Crow?

    Can't remember but has Brooks also suggested we somehow get rid of Trump the way Kristol did when he said he would prefer a deep state coup to the democratic process in the present situation? At what point do these guys step over the line of respectable opinion?

    Isn’t Brooks saying essentially the same thing Kristol did, namely, that we need to get a new people to replace our native born white stock? I wonder if the time will come when Americans will look back on these words with the same kind of moral dismay we do now when we read the words of Progressive eugenicists of a bygone era (Margaret Sanger for instance) or southern Democrats in the era of Jim Crow?

    It’s much worse than those. The old progressive eugenicists had a coherent positive program. Basically the wanted everyone (i.e. the working class, Catholics, blacks) to act more like the upper-middle class protestants that they were–educated, responsible, abstemious, low-fertility. The southern whites of the Jim Crow era had a less positive program (for blacks), but simply wanted to maintain their own white traditions, culture which would be difficult–as has proven to be the case–with integration and black voting rights. Not particularly positive for blacks, but a big dose of “mixing won’t end well” realism and certainly not genocidal.

    In contrast Brooks and Kristol essentially cheer on genocide\race replacement of white gentiles. It’s not pitched at the level of Hitler’s program–no einstazgruppen, no camps, no mass murder. But the long term end results is the same–you abolish white gentile nations and flood them with foreigners, so white gentiles themselves are abolished. It’s more drawing room friendly, less dirty, but actually larger in scale. Pure evil.

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  120. from Brooks:

    Cotton and Perdue’s position, which is now the mainstream Republican position, is based on the unconscious supposition that American society is like a lake, with a relatively fixed boundary. If you cut the supply of fish coming from outside, there will be more food for the ones born here.

    The problem is that American society is actually more like a river.

    American society neither like a lake or a river. It’s like a culture. That’s because it is a culture. I think it may have been Fernand Braudel who said that “culture is the past lived in the present.” More accurately, culture is the past lived in the present and extrapolated into the future. Meaning that both the present and the future have connections the past – these are called “origins.” This has nothing to do with the leftist accusation that conservatives and Trump supporters want to live in the past. It’s about having continuity in our collective life, and therefore, having greater hope for the future. It’s about knowing that you (and your posterity) have your own future rather than someone else’s future.

    A person who is born and raised in Fargo can’t alter their origins by moving to Boston. That person can drastically alter their life in Boston, but not their origins. Their children will be born in Boston…but still have origins in (and some meaningful connection to) Fargo. But the left doesn’t want that to be the case, which is why they spend so much time trying to sever America’s connections with it’s origins.

    Switching from water metaphors to architectural metaphors – for most of the ordinary people of the world, culture is like a fortress. For the powerful, the affluent and the famous, however, culture is like a prison. Connections to collective origins are an obstacle to their power, affluence and fame achieving whatever singular world vision they have. And it isn’t just the left. The left may have antipathy to the past, but the right has (at times) apathy to the past. The economic right has the idea that the fundamental ties that bind us all could be markets, standard of living, prosperity and lifestyle. Culture is an obstacle for them, as well. Enter David Brooks.

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  121. To extend the analogy even further I’m not allowed to impose my tribal ways or identity on the newly adopted kids since that would be offensive to their heritage.

    This bit is one of the biggest favors the left has ever done for us.

    So better to go back to basics and find out why my tribe isn’t having as many children and what I can do to help them instead of mocking them for “dying.” Kind of like what the Israelis did.

    Israel is the Jewish State, Brooks is a Jewish journalist for the New York Times, and Brooks’ Jewish son serves in the Israeli Defense Force. What could Brooks possibly be expected to know about Israel?

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  122. @MC
    David Brooks thinks this country has a "labor shortage."

    Did David Brooks used to be smart, or is my memory playing tricks on me?

    Brooks shamelessly takes his talking points from a lobby group, the National Association of Home Builders, citing 200,000 openings in a country while 90+ million working age adults are not in the labor force. Apparently such Home Builder employment datum analogized into a flowing river are how so-called smart people like Brooks explain complex issues like immigration and employment.

    That Brooks offered no evidence as to home builders actually paying higher wages didn’t escape this reader.

    But the give-away was obvious when Brooks offered and dismissed the “unconscious supposition that American society is like a lake, with a relatively fixed boundary.” Whether conscious or unconscious, it was an endorsement of open borders as a fixed assumption of American society.

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    I may have not been clear:

    But the give-away was obvious when Brooks offered and dismissed the “unconscious supposition that American society is like a lake, with a relatively fixed boundary.” **In his dismissal, Brooks has endorsed open borders as a fixed assumption of American society.**
     
    , @oh its just me too

    Brooks shamelessly takes his talking points from a lobby group, the National Association of Home Builders,
     
    The same people who browbeat us about being 'ignorant' about global warming want to keep driving the economy by suburbanizing farmland and growing the population...

    I honestly don't think people like brooks have any rationale about immigration beyond simply wanting to make white gentiles a minority in the US and Europe. Its extraordinary that they have made it taboo (YOU are an 'anti-semite' for pointing this out) to even talk about it.

    Obviously not all jews are this way - it seems to be super concentrated in the global elite but we can't even seem to publicly acknowledge the existence of a common theme in so many jewish pundits and globalists.

    It is higher in among globlist gentiles too but I know of no globalist gentiles who have the added hypocrisy of NOT advocating it for their own sub group
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    During the Houston Flood of 1979 (?) I spent a few hours pushing hundreds of flooded cars to the side of Main Street, which runs past Rice U.
  124. @Jack D

    Employers have apparently decided raising wages won’t work. …

    In other words, the labor shortage hasn’t led to higher wages
     

    Wow, that's really amazing. You mean that whole supply/demand curve thing is completely wrong? The laws of economics have been repealed? How about the law of gravity next?

    What if, say, drywall sanders got paid as much as NY Times pundits, would there still be a shortage of Americans willing to sand drywall? Is there really no amount of money that would balance the supply and demand for construction labor? Or has the inflation adjusted price of labor not risen in 30 years because the supply keeps going up thanks to immigration? Which explanation better fits the understanding of market economics that has prevailed for the last 200 years?

    It’s like Brooks has never encountered the concept of stickiness. Either the forces of supply and demand adjust themselves instantly, as in the treasury bond market, or they will never adjust at all.

    I remember realizing from reading The Cider House Rules that back in the 1940s fruit was picked by migrant African-Americans. Does Brooks suppose they were all replaced by Mexicans overnight?

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    A whole bunch of white Americans moved to North Dakota a half decade ago to work outdoors all winter long in the fracking boom. Why? Because energy companies paid a lot of money.

    The NYT ran a whole bunch of articles about how ... unseemly and ... worrisome ... it was that white high school grads were making six figures for working overtime lifting heavy stuff in subzero weather.

    , @Neuday

    I remember realizing from reading The Cider House Rules that back in the 1940s fruit was picked by migrant African-Americans. Does Brooks suppose they were all replaced by Mexicans overnight?
     
    I've read that one reason America has Mexicans pick the produce is because "we" don't like the image of blacks in fields, picking crops. Better to have welfare for the blacks and import other unskilled labor for the fields.
  125. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Off Topic:

    Zombie Neo-Cons

    But Abrams was nixed from the list of contenders after President Donald Trump learned of Abrams’ biting criticism last May of his fitness to become president, the Republican sources said.
    The President found out about Abrams’ outspokenness against Trump after meeting with him on Tuesday to consider him for the position, which would have made him Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s deputy. The meeting went well, but Trump could not get past Abrams’ past criticism, the sources said.

    Is Trump doing the right thing for the wrong reasons? First, Zombie Project for a New American Century refugee, John Bolton gets interviewed. But walks away empty handed. And then, this.

    How about the Iraq War instead of Trump’s Thin Skin?

    God knows I don’t keep track of them. But these names are TRIGGERING. I need a safe space.

    As far as reality — financial markets are immune to identity politics and seem happy enough. My take on it is that they are pricing in absolutely NOTHING. That is, voting heavily for gridlock vs another four years of Obama.

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  126. @Wilkey
    Brooks misses the fact that once a career path has been distorted by immigrant labor (especially of the illegal variety) no sane white person would choose to go into that career. The message has been sent that his trade can and will be undercut on a complete political whim.

    When I was a kid there were lots of white men around in construction, and lots of people who talked about the good money that could be made in it. Nowadays I seldom pass a construction site with white workers around.

    Additionally, I don't think that lifting wages is necessarily the primary benefit of cutting immigtation. It's the greater *inequality* caused by mass immigration - it drives up land values and increases the wealth of businessmen who profit from their business and labor. That disadvantages native-born Americans who aren't born into wealth. For working class Americans affordable housing in neighbrhoods that don't feel like Tijuana or Mogadishu becomes difficult, and oftentimes only possible with two adults working full-time.

    Very well said Wilkey. I tried to tack some of those points onto my additions to Jack’s excellent comment above. This is the problem with Brooks. You can go book length refuting him.

    Beyond basic supply+demand–which Brooks is unable\unwilling to grasp–there are a bunch of additional points:

    – Externalities of immigrants, which are high. They cost way, way more in “social costs”–direct that comes out of taxpayer’s pocket and indirect in reduced quality of life–than the basically nonexistant economic benefits.

    – Immigration drives up inequality. Immigration compresses wages, but not capital. It’s essentially screws the working class–the class dependent on wage income–to benefit the capitalist class with cheaper labor. The overclass–like NYT pundits–who are not subject to immigration competition but can consume cheap services (nanny, maids, gardeners, hotel and restaurant meals, home repair\maintenance) also benefit.

    – Immigrants have driven Americans *out* of various labor markets. End immigration and this will restore itself nicely. (Construction, taxi drivers, maids, landscaping, hospitality, etc. etc.) Those of us around in the pre-tsunami 60s remember it. It worked.

    – Immigration drives *up*, not down housing prices. They suppress the building side of the costs, but raise the land side. But the building side essentially scales with wages and incomes. *It’s the land side that makes housing unaffordable*. And it becomes particularly unaffordable in prosperous coastal cities, where the immigrants flock, making already scare land is made even more scare for Americans who do not want to live in foreign immigrant heavy neighborhoods.

    – Immigration driven high housing prices even further delay\suppress “affordable family formation” and further suppress native American fertility.

    – Immigration essentially destroys Americas historic prosperity, which was based on cheap land and dear labor. What made life in America so darn nice. It replaces that with the Asiatic model of cheap labor and expensive land, a much crappier model\lifestyle.

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    Good points. I'd love to see someone try to quantify the amount of economic activity that is due to immigration. The number of people (FIRE, etc.) making money off it must be unbelievable.
  127. @Zachary Latif
    If white America is "dying" then so is Korea, Japan and most of the developing world.

    The best analogy is that my tribe is the richest and my tribe isn't having as many kids as the neighbouring tribes for some reason. Then I'm told by the neighbouring tribe to adopt their surfeit children since my clan is "dying".

    To extend the analogy even further I'm not allowed to impose my tribal ways or identity on the newly adopted kids since that would be offensive to their heritage.

    After a while it simply won't be my tribe anymore one way or the other.

    So better to go back to basics and find out why my tribe isn't having as many children and what I can do to help them instead of mocking them for "dying." Kind of like what the Israelis did..

    The best analogy is that my tribe is the richest and my tribe isn’t having as many kids as the neighbouring tribes for some reason. Then I’m told by the neighbouring tribe to adopt their surfeit children since my clan is “dying”.

    Instead of extending your analogy, Zach, I’m gonna do some do an insertion. The reason our tribe isn’t having as many kids is not just “for some reason”; it’s that our tribe has been so stable, conservative, honest and trusting in the past that it is just now noticing that the other tribes have been getting this big all-powerful alien group (just to make up some name, call it the US Government) to steal our tribes’ stuff, give it to other tribes, and keep a decent cut. This has been going on for years and explains why people in our tribe don’t feel they can afford to have more than one or two kids.

    OK, carry on with the rest of it.

    I can’t tell whether this Brooks guy is really that stupid – his logic on supply and demand is, let’s just say, “unsound”. He may just be pulling this stuff out to keep the narrative going, as all these LP people are freaking out about all this truth spreading around lately like an epidemic.

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Brooks is that stupid. I saw him about 10 years ago at the Heritage Foundation or AEI. He was on a panel with the Derb and they were talking about I am Charlotte Simmon IIRC. I was not impressed.

    It's like he, Krugman, and Friedman are having a running contest to see who can come up with the stupidest drivel nicely dressed up in high-sounding phrases. As the Derb said in his latest podcast, "It's not that he's not right; he is not even wrong."
  128. @Forbes
    Brooks shamelessly takes his talking points from a lobby group, the National Association of Home Builders, citing 200,000 openings in a country while 90+ million working age adults are not in the labor force. Apparently such Home Builder employment datum analogized into a flowing river are how so-called smart people like Brooks explain complex issues like immigration and employment.

    That Brooks offered no evidence as to home builders actually paying higher wages didn't escape this reader.

    But the give-away was obvious when Brooks offered and dismissed the "unconscious supposition that American society is like a lake, with a relatively fixed boundary." Whether conscious or unconscious, it was an endorsement of open borders as a fixed assumption of American society.

    I may have not been clear:

    But the give-away was obvious when Brooks offered and dismissed the “unconscious supposition that American society is like a lake, with a relatively fixed boundary.” **In his dismissal, Brooks has endorsed open borders as a fixed assumption of American society.**

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  129. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Low skilled immigrants are empty calories. Junk food for the economy.

    Any warm body will temporarily raise GDP and lower GDP per capita.

    And is anti-inflationary.

    I heard some guy ranting on the television news about how the real problem is big business hiring illegals. And the examples on his list were small businesses, farmers, etc.

    It is shocking how few people seem to have actually worked for a large corporation. They spend a lot of time and money on compliance and don’t want to be anywhere close to minimum wage illegals. And excluding H1B (which I don’t have personal experience with) will simply pass the costs along — and long as their competitors also follow the same practices.

    Personally, our lax practices are in my economic interests. My yard guys — who I think are actually legal, since they winter in Mexico — keep their prices low. Economic junk food will be someone else’s problem in the future.

    Or maybe its like making sausage — you can add lots of low quality ‘stuff’. But at some point, it all goes bad.

    It’s non linear.

    We have ‘rule of law’ with enough wiggle room to allow some deviance at the margins. But then …. we wake up one day …. and we are South America.

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    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Mass immigration is anti-inflationary. That is why there is a connection between the 1965 Immigration Act and Nixon going off the gold standard in 1971.

    Central bankers use mass immigration to lower wages. The central bankers can then engage in all manner of monetary extremism because they know there will be no wage increases or wage rate inflation.
  130. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston.

    If I wanted to live in Brazil, Zimbabwe or South Africa, I’d go live in Brazil, Zimbabwe or South Africa.

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  131. @Wilkey
    Brooks misses the fact that once a career path has been distorted by immigrant labor (especially of the illegal variety) no sane white person would choose to go into that career. The message has been sent that his trade can and will be undercut on a complete political whim.

    When I was a kid there were lots of white men around in construction, and lots of people who talked about the good money that could be made in it. Nowadays I seldom pass a construction site with white workers around.

    Additionally, I don't think that lifting wages is necessarily the primary benefit of cutting immigtation. It's the greater *inequality* caused by mass immigration - it drives up land values and increases the wealth of businessmen who profit from their business and labor. That disadvantages native-born Americans who aren't born into wealth. For working class Americans affordable housing in neighbrhoods that don't feel like Tijuana or Mogadishu becomes difficult, and oftentimes only possible with two adults working full-time.

    Exactly correct…growing up in the 80′s I worked in a restaurant , as did my sister and some friends. The kitchen workers were all white, I was a busboy and we were all white americans, mostly high school students were busboys…it was actually fun to work with fellow teens…but today mostly hispanics work these jobs thus my teenage kids would not enjoy it as much as we did. Plus the status of these jobs is now much lower due to the demographics which has some impact. In the 80′s we got these jobs from friends, thus the hispanics crowd out the whites who may be interested in these jobs, but have a harder time finding the good ones due to this issue.

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    When I was in college, I used to work manual labor on the late shift with, like, 90% Mexicans/assorted Central and South Americans. Plus a white redneck here and a black ex-con there. It was okay, but I got sick of being called "gringo," and it would've been more enjoyable to work with my own kind. Diversity takes its toll.

    This was not a minimum-wage job, by the way. It paid fairly well. There's no reason it couldn't have been stocked with natives.
  132. @Simon in London
    "dying white America"

    Genocidal scum. Anyone who uses this phrase with approval is genocidal scum.

    …prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston.

    A disgusting sentiment on multiple levels: brazenly admits that immigration helps kill off white America; offers Houston as a template for the future — really? And it is no comfort to less-white people; I’m sure Brooks et al will get around to them in due course.

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  133. “For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston.”

    Well, here’s just a couple of reasons out of many . . .

    1. Houston’s financial ratings are now worse than . . . Detroit!
    “The pension funds themselves report debts of $3.2 billion, but the real market value of Houston’s unfunded pension liability is $13.7 billion, according to a study published this year by Joshua Rauh, a finance professor and Hoover fellow at Stanford University.

    Houston’s debts include $11.2 billion in outstanding bonds. If you subtract the city’s capital assets, such as buildings and roads, which aren’t likely to be sold off, and then compare the remaining liquid assets against non-pension debts, Houston is in the hole by $12.3 billion.

    Add in the real pension debt, and you’re looking at a $26 billion debt for one city.

    Now, Houston has three times the population of Detroit, so this isn’t meant to suggest Houston is on the verge of bankruptcy (although it is worth remembering city debts can drive off residents, as in Detroit, creating something of a death spiral for the remainder).”

    ExxonMobil and Schlumberger have ALREADY exited Houston, to escape the massive property tax hikes that Mayor Sylvester Turner is pushing. Other major employers are moving facilities out of the Houston city limits to better run suburbs and edge cities

    2. Traffic jams, crime.
    Again, Houston at #9 has worse crime than Detroit at #10. Source: CreditDonkey dot com.

    Houston traffic is remarkably bad, much worse than Detroit. From a study posted by the Detroit Free Press:
    “Rounding out the Top 10, after Los Angeles: New York, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Washington D.C., Dallas, Boston, Chicago and Seattle. Other cities with worse traffic than Detroit, according to the study, include Houston, San Diego, Minneapolis, Philadelphia and Phoenix.”

    For now, the problems are masked by energy $$$. But that can go away, just as Detroit masked its problems for a while . . .

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  134. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Wilkey
    Brooks misses the fact that once a career path has been distorted by immigrant labor (especially of the illegal variety) no sane white person would choose to go into that career. The message has been sent that his trade can and will be undercut on a complete political whim.

    When I was a kid there were lots of white men around in construction, and lots of people who talked about the good money that could be made in it. Nowadays I seldom pass a construction site with white workers around.

    Additionally, I don't think that lifting wages is necessarily the primary benefit of cutting immigtation. It's the greater *inequality* caused by mass immigration - it drives up land values and increases the wealth of businessmen who profit from their business and labor. That disadvantages native-born Americans who aren't born into wealth. For working class Americans affordable housing in neighbrhoods that don't feel like Tijuana or Mogadishu becomes difficult, and oftentimes only possible with two adults working full-time.

    When I was a kid there were lots of white men around in construction, and lots of people who talked about the good money that could be made in it

    Any job that requires a person to work outdoors in occasional or frequent harsh climate and do physical labor *should* pay 2x minimum wage. And used to.

    Further, these jobs can’t be sent to the third world.

    AND

    The flat truth about developed economies is that they move from farming to manufacturing to service as they develop.

    Service jobs can’t be exported.

    ERGO

    A fraction of our trade — 10% or 20% — plus or minus, is really harmful. But a lot is a nothing burger. Simply doesn’t matter. And some benefits the US a lot. Like Boeing. Like a lot of tech. The multi nationals in the S&P 500.

    But trade policies can be changed.

    Immigration is like a Tattoo.

    You can always open the gate, but you can’t reverse anything.

    That is why trade is an ‘issue’ and open borders is evil.

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  135. @Nigerian Nationalist
    "For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston."

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.

    Personal opinion on this, y'all have treated other minorities like exotic pets that you assume the reverse will hold when you're the pets.

    My money is on "won't happen".

    Personal opinion on this, y’all have treated other minorities like exotic pets that you assume the reverse will hold when you’re the pets.

    No such assumption. Pets go feral when the keepers are too enfeebled to maintain them.

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  136. @MC
    David Brooks thinks this country has a "labor shortage."

    Did David Brooks used to be smart, or is my memory playing tricks on me?

    In Northern Illinois, unionized construction workers are frequently on unemployment, because most construction is being performed by immigrants at much lower wages and/or off the books. But David Brooks, who probably hasn’t done a lick of real work in his life, knows better because Carlos Slim told him so….Hey David, why doesn’t your kid leave the Israeli army and take a construction job in the US?

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    I don't think many houses are getting built in Daddy's verdant and exclusive Cleveland Park (DC) neighborhood, which is more the kind of place where people blog or FB endlessly about their new solarium addition or yoga room updating.

    Also I doubt Daddy ever taught him to recognize a hammer or pneumatic nailer, never mind to use one.
  137. Of course he thinks it’s a river: he’s used to panning for gold, minstrel song, and never dealing with his own detritus.

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    Example of bad US trade deals. Nitrogen. Can’t grow food without it. The US now has the lowest cost producers due primarily to low input prices and secondly to efficient production. Revenues are over $1 million/employee, so labor isn’t driving costs. And we can and do make it with the lowest environmental externalities of any nation (except maybe Europe, which is greenish, but can’t compete on inputs.

    The problem? Global overcapacity. Driven by low priced Chinese imports produced with subsidies, low grade coal, and Chinese environmental standards (none).

    From the CF Industries earnings conference call. Unfortunately, this may be more of a wish than an accurate forecast:

    Low global prices, rising costs for marginal producers in China, including significantly higher coal costs compared to the middle of 2016, and the removal of subsidies and concerns over pollution and air quality, drove urea operating rates down to approximately 50% during the fourth quarter and into February. At these operating rates, seasonal demand for Chinese urea is expected to exceed supply even with reduced exports.

    and this:

    Further, the border adjustment tax is a concept that mirrors barriers we confront today. We face import taxes and tariffs for our products into Europe, China, and other geographies while foreign producers, who sell into the U.S. market, face no such import tax or tariff. This concept would also help to level the competitive global playing field. Further, it could also provide a benefit to our company, given both our significant manufacturing presence in the United States and our capability to export.

    In general, I hate ‘stories’ and prefer data and something more general than anecdotal. But this is the sort of thing that needs to get fixed.

    I am for everything the left thinks its for. Living wages, cleaner environment, less bad coal. And to the extent it must and will be used — clean PRB low sulfur coal burned under strict US regulations. Not the Chinese style usage which is on par with London in the early 50′s when people were flat out dying from it.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I reviewed the Matt Damon movie about price-fixing in the lysine industry. It kind of seemed like a good idea:

    http://takimag.com/article/spies_like_us2/print#axzz4ZAy0zws3

  139. @Zachary Latif
    If white America is "dying" then so is Korea, Japan and most of the developing world.

    The best analogy is that my tribe is the richest and my tribe isn't having as many kids as the neighbouring tribes for some reason. Then I'm told by the neighbouring tribe to adopt their surfeit children since my clan is "dying".

    To extend the analogy even further I'm not allowed to impose my tribal ways or identity on the newly adopted kids since that would be offensive to their heritage.

    After a while it simply won't be my tribe anymore one way or the other.

    So better to go back to basics and find out why my tribe isn't having as many children and what I can do to help them instead of mocking them for "dying." Kind of like what the Israelis did..

    It was a savage one-two punch.

    First we were told to embrace feminism, delay family formation, have fewer children to reduce strain on the environment, etc etc.

    Then we were told “oh you didn’t have any children so now we need to mercilessly import hordes of third worlders to make up for it.”

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  140. @AnotherDad
    Well said Jack.

    But it's even more bogus than that:

    --> The immigrants suppress American construction worker supply.
    There are a lot of "non-bookish" guys who don't belong in college either by IQ or the desire for physical work and that slice of guys did do construction in earlier generations. Yeah, the boys coming out of the feminized school system are less manly. But the main reason they are reluctant to do construction now is precisely because open immigration and especially illegal immigration have made it an uncertain, low-paying, shit career. End immigration once and for all and you'll see construction filling back up with American boys in the span of 5 or 10 years.

    [Maybe Brooks doesn't know this growing up in Manhattan and then the established leafy Philadelphia Main Line, but when we were kids--and i'm only a few years older than Brooks--in those pre-immigration-tsunami days, white guys were building the houses--with more primitive equipment (hammers, not nail guns)--but they were nonetheless affordable and the construction workers could afford houses too.]

    And even more insane than that:

    --> The immigrants actually *raise* housing costs long term.
    As you point out these construction worker immigrants don't consume all the housing they produce, so are just doing reduced job stealing from Americans. But they do have an effect. They take up housing *somewhere*. And the effect of that is that housing gets more expensive for Americans.

    Essentially immigrants--cheap labor--lowers the building cost of housing, but continually and *cumulatively* *raises* the land cost of housing, especially in the few remaining desirable ("good schools") areas within otherwise immigrant heavy coastal areas.

    Brooks desired society ends up being like India, with low wages, but high housing prices because the place is so damn crowded. It's a terrible effing way to live, and absolutely the converse of the American experience which was--*was*--cheap land and dear labor.

    Brooks desired society ends up being like India, with low wages, but high housing prices because the place is so damn crowded. It’s a terrible effing way to live, and absolutely the converse of the American experience which was–*was*–cheap land and dear labor.

    You kind of beat me to it. I was going to make the analogy that if a country is a river, the end result of unfettered immigration is the Ganges.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution_of_the_Ganges

    Unfettered immigration in countries in a world of cheap travel and mostly closed borders to immigration also leads to a situation where the net migration rate will eventually reach zero after standards of living match the very worst countries in the world to live. This occurs after the denizens of the least livable countries in the world have made their way to what is for them a better option to the point that all countries with open borders are equally horrible places to live and on a par with the most horrible places to live in the world.

    We can use another watery analogy. S*** flows downhill. When barriers are removed, sewage flows until all areas have an equal level of sewage.

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  141. In the New York Times, David Brooks responds to, I would guess, my February 22nd Taki’s Magazine column “Undocumented Irrigation” about what we can learn about immigration policy from California’s troubled history with water projects

    If your guess is correct, then you’re living rent-free in David Brooks’ head. Congratulations. Maybe, if we can get a few dozen more patriots living there, Brooks will tumble to the problems with open borders.

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  142. The title “the the national death wish” is of course a projection .

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    That is an odd title, just one of the endless things I don't get about Brooks' writing. You can read it as straight projection, and it'd be pretty accurate. But he wouldn't want to admit that.

    So in what sense are we supposed to take it? That's a mystery.

  143. @Nigerian Nationalist
    "For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston."

    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.

    Personal opinion on this, y'all have treated other minorities like exotic pets that you assume the reverse will hold when you're the pets.

    My money is on "won't happen".

    Fails the Voight-Kampff test.

    Nexus-6 detected.

    Recommend retirement.

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  144. @Jack D
    I think he was trying to say that when non-whites are the majority they won't be as nice to the white minority as whites were to non-whites when the ran the show.

    Yeah, I am wondering how that actually would look, how it would manifest itself.

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    I expect that it will look like lower class resentment, with violence added, sort of like that story in Anaheim aerlier this week where an off duty cop grabbed a kid for walking across someone's lawn and then the other kids surrounded the officer and started bum rushing him and throwing punches. Then the local hispanics organized a protest march, claiming that "these are our streets." Sort of like that, but worse.

    We were talking about German immigrants recently and someone said in Texas that people still say "the Germans got all the good land." It's just a matter of time before the Latinos who do the stoop work in CA and the rest of the SW start asking themselves, "why do these guys (Anglos, or Asians that Anglos sold to) have all the land, while we have nothing?"

    Eventually the wheel will turn and when there's a clear and vocal majority of non-English speakers in a community, then that community will exploit the remaining Anglos and start terrorizing them. (Think South Africa or one of its neighbors).

    It will be tricky because you need a whitish elite to run things, so you'll have a large minority figurehead government and bureaucracy and a large majority that will be bought off with ever more garish bread and circuses, and then the remaining minorities will in effect lived in protected ghettoes to their work.

    The reason people like Brooks don't care is because they don't think it will affect them. But it will.
  145. @Langley
    The title "the the national death wish" is of course a projection .

    That is an odd title, just one of the endless things I don’t get about Brooks’ writing. You can read it as straight projection, and it’d be pretty accurate. But he wouldn’t want to admit that.

    So in what sense are we supposed to take it? That’s a mystery.

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  146. Brooks exposes his, and others, parasitical mentality here and doesn’t notice what it says about him and those like him. He and Kristol, take it for granted that they can call us disposable chumps to our faces without any chance of a reaction. He is right in a sense. He, Kristol and all that ilk can just make it to the ticket window of El Al when the “Dying white’s” can’t protect him anymore. Question: why are we protecting him now?

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  147. @anon
    Example of bad US trade deals. Nitrogen. Can't grow food without it. The US now has the lowest cost producers due primarily to low input prices and secondly to efficient production. Revenues are over $1 million/employee, so labor isn't driving costs. And we can and do make it with the lowest environmental externalities of any nation (except maybe Europe, which is greenish, but can't compete on inputs.

    The problem? Global overcapacity. Driven by low priced Chinese imports produced with subsidies, low grade coal, and Chinese environmental standards (none).

    From the CF Industries earnings conference call. Unfortunately, this may be more of a wish than an accurate forecast:

    Low global prices, rising costs for marginal producers in China, including significantly higher coal costs compared to the middle of 2016, and the removal of subsidies and concerns over pollution and air quality, drove urea operating rates down to approximately 50% during the fourth quarter and into February. At these operating rates, seasonal demand for Chinese urea is expected to exceed supply even with reduced exports.
     
    and this:

    Further, the border adjustment tax is a concept that mirrors barriers we confront today. We face import taxes and tariffs for our products into Europe, China, and other geographies while foreign producers, who sell into the U.S. market, face no such import tax or tariff. This concept would also help to level the competitive global playing field. Further, it could also provide a benefit to our company, given both our significant manufacturing presence in the United States and our capability to export.
     
    In general, I hate 'stories' and prefer data and something more general than anecdotal. But this is the sort of thing that needs to get fixed.

    I am for everything the left thinks its for. Living wages, cleaner environment, less bad coal. And to the extent it must and will be used -- clean PRB low sulfur coal burned under strict US regulations. Not the Chinese style usage which is on par with London in the early 50's when people were flat out dying from it.

    I reviewed the Matt Damon movie about price-fixing in the lysine industry. It kind of seemed like a good idea:

    http://takimag.com/article/spies_like_us2/print#axzz4ZAy0zws3

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  148. I just realized, though the phrase “dying white America” hits me like a ton of bricks, to Brooks it’s probably like quoting figures for jute exports from Bangladesh.

    “For the life of me, I can’t figure out why Republicans care so much about jute.”

    “For the life of me, I can figure out why sociological/economic statistic A bothers group B so much. Someone, somewhere, is having a good time. So long as they’re not Russian, the world is better off, and therefore everything is fine in this best of all possible worlds.”

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  149. David Brook’s son was in the army of a foreign nation while David was writing open about how we must help Israel

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  150. @keypusher
    It's like Brooks has never encountered the concept of stickiness. Either the forces of supply and demand adjust themselves instantly, as in the treasury bond market, or they will never adjust at all.

    I remember realizing from reading The Cider House Rules that back in the 1940s fruit was picked by migrant African-Americans. Does Brooks suppose they were all replaced by Mexicans overnight?

    A whole bunch of white Americans moved to North Dakota a half decade ago to work outdoors all winter long in the fracking boom. Why? Because energy companies paid a lot of money.

    The NYT ran a whole bunch of articles about how … unseemly and … worrisome … it was that white high school grads were making six figures for working overtime lifting heavy stuff in subzero weather.

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    I knew plenty of people who did that. The Dakotas are right next door. Most of the backlash I heard was "environmental." But there was also an undercurrent from fashionable quarters about how this sort of thing is beneath us now, isn't? Shouldn't we have robots doing that, or something? What happens when the jobs run out, and they have to make up three of the requisite seven years of college they missed?

    I don't know, get new jobs? Like before, only now with experience.
    , @anon
    There were trillions invested (or spent) on the US unconventional oil boom after 2008. I've been too lazy to look it up, but new housing construction never made it back to the 10-20 year median levels prior to 2008. Just like 'inventory' in the traditional business cycle. Only instead of just liquidating it, it hangs around for decades. There was activity on multiple levels. Leasing money, which went to locals and farmers and was spread around. Exploration/Production, which used a lot of labor and cost a lot of money. There was also a 'midstream' boom financed by MLP (master limited partnerships), which include pipelines and anything that financial promoters can argue is a steady cash stream. And then all the knock on effects of the boom.

    I am positive it was at least a trillion, but maybe three. A trillion in housing is 3 million homes. Unless I'm off by a zero or two. Lets just say it was the only strong growth area to offset the decline in housing. It is my explanation for why the US led the developed economies post 2008. Obama was theoretically against it, but without it there would have been enormous deflationary pressures. I have never seen this discussed in this fashion, but am sure it is far from an original thought.

    The only thing that may be original is that Pennsylvania is the largest unconventional gas state in the US (or #2 to Texas). The Marcellus and Utica plays are located there. The US is one of the few countries with widespread ownership of mineral rights by typical landowners. People don't talk about it a lot, but people that own producing mineral acerage care a LOT about it. My guess is that it is the usual rural upper strata that is collecting. Old farm families that have owned for generations. Developer types, &c. The point being that this is a lot bigger than coal.

    Hillary wasn't shy about being anti coal. But in passing, she said something in passing -- after she was through with regulation, there wouldn't be much/any fracking either. In theory, dry, unconventional gas is the bridge fuel to our clean energy future. Wind and solar can get cheap enough, but they can't produce base load. No one wants to deal with nuclear. Except the realistic, engineering oriented environmentalists. Not many of them. Regardless, people knew in their bones that Trump wouldn't mess up gas. They also knew Hillary would do everything possible to do the opposite. She would eventually have been bought off -- unlike maybe Sanders.

    I tried to support this theory, but it is difficult. There are maps with producing areas. The stuff is taxed at the wellhead, and public data on that. Since it was so close, almost anything could be claimed to have swung PA. I think this is a rather potent group, given how much they care. Utilities can just pass on costs. Big oil would have been more profitable without ANY unconventional oil. This is the reason we have fracking but Europe and Ukraine doesn't. Or Argentina. Even though it would be enormously good for them. The Hollywood anti message is fake news. But if you live in Western PA in some of these places, there is never going to be cash flowing into these counties otherwise.

  151. @David Allan coe
    Exactly correct...growing up in the 80's I worked in a restaurant , as did my sister and some friends. The kitchen workers were all white, I was a busboy and we were all white americans, mostly high school students were busboys...it was actually fun to work with fellow teens...but today mostly hispanics work these jobs thus my teenage kids would not enjoy it as much as we did. Plus the status of these jobs is now much lower due to the demographics which has some impact. In the 80's we got these jobs from friends, thus the hispanics crowd out the whites who may be interested in these jobs, but have a harder time finding the good ones due to this issue.

    When I was in college, I used to work manual labor on the late shift with, like, 90% Mexicans/assorted Central and South Americans. Plus a white redneck here and a black ex-con there. It was okay, but I got sick of being called “gringo,” and it would’ve been more enjoyable to work with my own kind. Diversity takes its toll.

    This was not a minimum-wage job, by the way. It paid fairly well. There’s no reason it couldn’t have been stocked with natives.

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  152. @JVO
    Speaking of lakes,
    https://www.texastribune.org/boomtown-floodtown/

    During the Houston Flood of 1979 (?) I spent a few hours pushing hundreds of flooded cars to the side of Main Street, which runs past Rice U.

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  153. @Wilkey
    Brooks misses the fact that once a career path has been distorted by immigrant labor (especially of the illegal variety) no sane white person would choose to go into that career. The message has been sent that his trade can and will be undercut on a complete political whim.

    When I was a kid there were lots of white men around in construction, and lots of people who talked about the good money that could be made in it. Nowadays I seldom pass a construction site with white workers around.

    Additionally, I don't think that lifting wages is necessarily the primary benefit of cutting immigtation. It's the greater *inequality* caused by mass immigration - it drives up land values and increases the wealth of businessmen who profit from their business and labor. That disadvantages native-born Americans who aren't born into wealth. For working class Americans affordable housing in neighbrhoods that don't feel like Tijuana or Mogadishu becomes difficult, and oftentimes only possible with two adults working full-time.

    Wilkey – move to the far north. Not only are the construction workers white; the landscapers are white. This is because they can mow lawns in the summer and plow snow in the winter. No big city magnets helps tremendously. It’s like living in the 1970s. Of course, being insulated from the effects of immigration makes for extreme cuckiness. Think Paul Ryan.

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  154. @Steve Sailer
    A whole bunch of white Americans moved to North Dakota a half decade ago to work outdoors all winter long in the fracking boom. Why? Because energy companies paid a lot of money.

    The NYT ran a whole bunch of articles about how ... unseemly and ... worrisome ... it was that white high school grads were making six figures for working overtime lifting heavy stuff in subzero weather.

    I knew plenty of people who did that. The Dakotas are right next door. Most of the backlash I heard was “environmental.” But there was also an undercurrent from fashionable quarters about how this sort of thing is beneath us now, isn’t? Shouldn’t we have robots doing that, or something? What happens when the jobs run out, and they have to make up three of the requisite seven years of college they missed?

    I don’t know, get new jobs? Like before, only now with experience.

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  155. @Opinionator
    Yeah, I am wondering how that actually would look, how it would manifest itself.

    I expect that it will look like lower class resentment, with violence added, sort of like that story in Anaheim aerlier this week where an off duty cop grabbed a kid for walking across someone’s lawn and then the other kids surrounded the officer and started bum rushing him and throwing punches. Then the local hispanics organized a protest march, claiming that “these are our streets.” Sort of like that, but worse.

    We were talking about German immigrants recently and someone said in Texas that people still say “the Germans got all the good land.” It’s just a matter of time before the Latinos who do the stoop work in CA and the rest of the SW start asking themselves, “why do these guys (Anglos, or Asians that Anglos sold to) have all the land, while we have nothing?”

    Eventually the wheel will turn and when there’s a clear and vocal majority of non-English speakers in a community, then that community will exploit the remaining Anglos and start terrorizing them. (Think South Africa or one of its neighbors).

    It will be tricky because you need a whitish elite to run things, so you’ll have a large minority figurehead government and bureaucracy and a large majority that will be bought off with ever more garish bread and circuses, and then the remaining minorities will in effect lived in protected ghettoes to their work.

    The reason people like Brooks don’t care is because they don’t think it will affect them. But it will.

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    The reason people like Brooks don’t care is because they don’t think it will affect them. But it will.
     
    It should have already affected him though. He should have been fired from his job for his poor performance at punditry. He himself admitted that he wasn't attuned to conservative opinion outside of elite circles. His only job is to relay conservative opinion to an audience that is mostly liberal. He didn't do that because he ignored the impact of immigration. He couldn't even get the primary right.
  156. @Kyle
    There still are a lot of white men in construction, and you can still make good money of you are hard working and fast thinking.
    There are some jobs where it's just impossible to compete with illegals because you have to have workers insurance and they don't. It's not so much the wages, they aren't getting paid below minimum wage.

    What kills me are when I see a crew of Mexican tree-trimmers with nobody wearing a hard hat. One guy is 30 feet up in the tree sawing off branches that weigh 50 pounds or so, while a couple of guys are down on the ground picking up the branches that are falling all around them. You might think that everybody should be wearing his own $50 hard hat in case they get whomped on the head by a falling tree branch, but, no, that would be too much government regulation in our Cheap Labor utopia. If they get hit on their bare head, they go to the emergency room and get $25,000 worth of health care.

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    An elderly neighbor had to have some asbestos tiling torn up before she could sell her house. The contractor brought in three Spanish-speaking workers. Illegals? ¿Quién sabe? She was shocked to see that none of them wore respirators. The contractor said, "They don't care about stuff like that."

    Or maybe he didn't get around to telling them about asbestos.
    , @Neil Templeton
    That may be a good example of cultural dissonance. If a Mexican laborer gets clocked on the head by a tree branch, 1) he's not likely to go to emergency unless it's a very serious injury; 2) if he went to emergency in Mexico for an open wound, contusion, or concussion the bill would likely be a small fraction of the bill in the US, for many obvious and not so obvious reasons. Low cost for risk to life and limb was once a primary factor of production in the US as well. Apparently 34 men died constructing the Oroville Dam - in the 60's. What was the payout for those lost lives?

    http://www.orovillemr.com/article/zz/20140326/NEWS/140328149

  157. @Old fogey
    Brooks seems to live in an area where "many families demean physical labor."

    Doesn't sound like anywhere I've lived in this country. One does run into this attitude, of course, in the Middle East.

    Not much in Israel anymore.

    Israeli immigrants are taking over in my neighborhood trades like locksmithery.

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  158. @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    I had an interesting experience this week with work:
    My position was eliminated over a year ago and for a while I applied for about 2 jobs a day -via networking, not just dropping online resumes. I have Bachelors and Masters degrees from top 5 schools and a track record of work accomplishment that is very good... A few months ago I had my eye on a particular position and a friend who used to have that same position submitted my resume for it internally...
    I am a white male over 35, so I am obsolete apparently, according to Michael Moore. I decided to start my own businesses instead.
    Last week I get a call from a recruiter about that particular position I had applied for. All Indian recruiting firm. The offer was: I could be a contractor (with no benefits) for the recruiting firm to fill the position that my white, male friend had had previously on a salary with benefits. I could do this for about $20-30K less/year than I had been making previously and about $40K less than my friend had been making.
    I have been steaming along to get my own business off the ground and had given up on getting hired anyway, but I went along with this for a few days -updated resume, phone interviews, etc. because I was curious as to the "wage arbitrage" operation these guys were running.
    Some of the information the recruiters were asking for seemed very sketchy to me and it really pissed me off that normal, community and alumni networking had been dis-intermediated by a foreign ethnic networking system.
    So this stuff is happening -not just to blue collar workers. I have seen a ton of wage stagnation, even backsliding among my fellows job-seekers this past year. A lot of divorces and depression.
    They should go back and Make India Less Shitty Again

    similar situation for me and many of my co-workers. I too gave up looking last year and am using my 401K to start a business. Another reason Indians have taken over many IT departments, besides the lower salaries, they prefer to hire other Indians…basic discrimination against East Asians, Caucasians. Indians are quite fond of the caste system and seek to bring this with them to America.

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    similar situation for me and many of my co-workers. I too gave up looking last year and am using my 401K to start a business. Another reason Indians have taken over many IT departments, besides the lower salaries, they prefer to hire other Indians…
     
    Exactly. Here's another anecdote along the same lines:

    I was in the Charlotte airport last year waiting for a connecting flight. And I noticed that all of the agents at the 4 gates near me were East African. I could tell by their appearance and accents when they made announcements. And I asked myself then, “Wait a second, is being a gate agent at an airport really a job that Americans won’t do?" According to Brooks and Kristol, I guess so. So goodbye and good riddance to the White Trash scanning your boarding pass.

    And coincidentally, I was watching the Senate confirmation hearings in January on C-SPAN. Al Franken gets up on his soapbox and excoriates Trump for visiting Minnesota. Well OK, that’s what gas-bag Senators do. But then Franken said Trump’s presence insulted the 1,000 East Africans who work at the Minneapolis airport. Another “Wait a second…” Assuming MN airport job announcements are widely disseminated, how did that lopsided demographic of East Africans working at the airport come about? No doubt because there is a Crony pipeline in place for East Africans.

    I mean the FDNY Irish Crony pipeline is corrupt too, but at least those jobs go to other Americans.

    Americans have no idea. And that's the way the Cronies want it...
    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    Good luck in your endeavors!
  159. Because macroeconomics is a pseudoscience, no study of the overall impact of immigration will convince people. It would be much easier to look at it on a case-by-case basis. You come here and if you’re still a net consumer of taxes after two years, you’re gone and you can’t come back. (If you were a net taxpayer, you still would not necessarily get citizenship.)

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  160. @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    I had an interesting experience this week with work:
    My position was eliminated over a year ago and for a while I applied for about 2 jobs a day -via networking, not just dropping online resumes. I have Bachelors and Masters degrees from top 5 schools and a track record of work accomplishment that is very good... A few months ago I had my eye on a particular position and a friend who used to have that same position submitted my resume for it internally...
    I am a white male over 35, so I am obsolete apparently, according to Michael Moore. I decided to start my own businesses instead.
    Last week I get a call from a recruiter about that particular position I had applied for. All Indian recruiting firm. The offer was: I could be a contractor (with no benefits) for the recruiting firm to fill the position that my white, male friend had had previously on a salary with benefits. I could do this for about $20-30K less/year than I had been making previously and about $40K less than my friend had been making.
    I have been steaming along to get my own business off the ground and had given up on getting hired anyway, but I went along with this for a few days -updated resume, phone interviews, etc. because I was curious as to the "wage arbitrage" operation these guys were running.
    Some of the information the recruiters were asking for seemed very sketchy to me and it really pissed me off that normal, community and alumni networking had been dis-intermediated by a foreign ethnic networking system.
    So this stuff is happening -not just to blue collar workers. I have seen a ton of wage stagnation, even backsliding among my fellows job-seekers this past year. A lot of divorces and depression.
    They should go back and Make India Less Shitty Again

    My guess is that there long term plan for that position is to fill it remotely from India. That way, instead of paying you 20% less than what your friend was making, they will pay some guy in Bangalore 80% less, once they have picked your brain of all relevant knowledge. He will communicate by Skype, email, etc. and of course have computer access so for the people he interfaces with, theoretically they don’t care if he is down the hall or 8,000 miles away.

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    My guess is that there long term plan for that position is to fill it remotely from India. That way, instead of paying you 20% less than what your friend was making, they will pay some guy in Bangalore 80% less, once they have picked your brain of all relevant knowledge.
     
    The principal effect of the interwebs revolution appears to be wage arbitrage for the white collar workforce. Too bad we can't have the entire H-1B visa quota allocated to the postal service. We might even get our mail on time.
  161. @SPMoore8
    I expect that it will look like lower class resentment, with violence added, sort of like that story in Anaheim aerlier this week where an off duty cop grabbed a kid for walking across someone's lawn and then the other kids surrounded the officer and started bum rushing him and throwing punches. Then the local hispanics organized a protest march, claiming that "these are our streets." Sort of like that, but worse.

    We were talking about German immigrants recently and someone said in Texas that people still say "the Germans got all the good land." It's just a matter of time before the Latinos who do the stoop work in CA and the rest of the SW start asking themselves, "why do these guys (Anglos, or Asians that Anglos sold to) have all the land, while we have nothing?"

    Eventually the wheel will turn and when there's a clear and vocal majority of non-English speakers in a community, then that community will exploit the remaining Anglos and start terrorizing them. (Think South Africa or one of its neighbors).

    It will be tricky because you need a whitish elite to run things, so you'll have a large minority figurehead government and bureaucracy and a large majority that will be bought off with ever more garish bread and circuses, and then the remaining minorities will in effect lived in protected ghettoes to their work.

    The reason people like Brooks don't care is because they don't think it will affect them. But it will.

    The reason people like Brooks don’t care is because they don’t think it will affect them. But it will.

    It should have already affected him though. He should have been fired from his job for his poor performance at punditry. He himself admitted that he wasn’t attuned to conservative opinion outside of elite circles. His only job is to relay conservative opinion to an audience that is mostly liberal. He didn’t do that because he ignored the impact of immigration. He couldn’t even get the primary right.

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    His only job is to relay conservative opinion to an audience that is mostly liberal.

    He doesn't do this on NPR. Everything he says is liberal. I can't recall hearing him express an opinion I would call conservative. His liberal counterpart, EJ Dionne, occasionally sounds more conservative than Brooks.
  162. I’m out of my free NYT articles. What are the readers’ picks comments saying?

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    Use your incognito widow, if you are using Chrome or whatever is similar on the other browsers.
  163. @anon
    Low skilled immigrants are empty calories. Junk food for the economy.

    Any warm body will temporarily raise GDP and lower GDP per capita.

    And is anti-inflationary.

    I heard some guy ranting on the television news about how the real problem is big business hiring illegals. And the examples on his list were small businesses, farmers, etc.

    It is shocking how few people seem to have actually worked for a large corporation. They spend a lot of time and money on compliance and don't want to be anywhere close to minimum wage illegals. And excluding H1B (which I don't have personal experience with) will simply pass the costs along -- and long as their competitors also follow the same practices.

    Personally, our lax practices are in my economic interests. My yard guys -- who I think are actually legal, since they winter in Mexico -- keep their prices low. Economic junk food will be someone else's problem in the future.

    Or maybe its like making sausage -- you can add lots of low quality 'stuff'. But at some point, it all goes bad.

    It's non linear.

    We have 'rule of law' with enough wiggle room to allow some deviance at the margins. But then .... we wake up one day .... and we are South America.

    Mass immigration is anti-inflationary. That is why there is a connection between the 1965 Immigration Act and Nixon going off the gold standard in 1971.

    Central bankers use mass immigration to lower wages. The central bankers can then engage in all manner of monetary extremism because they know there will be no wage increases or wage rate inflation.

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  164. @Tiny Duck
    I'm sorry but white dominated societies are the scourge of the earth. The only people who disagree with that statement are white males. That tells you something right there.

    You loses will fall in defeat

    The twitter suspensions that took place recently are only the beginning. We took Milo down. We took Bannon down. We are lighting up GOP town halls. We are calling out growing antisemitism

    You started this fight now we will finish it

    You guys have had your fun now prepare for justice

    He’s back!

    The other sockpuppets just weren’t as entertaining, Tiny.

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    Tiny Duck is David Brooks! Or a more concise version... maybe one of his younger interns.
  165. @Autochthon

    It was the first time he had witnessed someone “directly threatening someone else” in his five years in New York City.
     
    This statement goes to the witness' credibility.

    New York is a lot more genteel than when I spent a lot of time there from 1979-1991, but still …

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  166. @Achmed E. Newman

    The best analogy is that my tribe is the richest and my tribe isn’t having as many kids as the neighbouring tribes for some reason. Then I’m told by the neighbouring tribe to adopt their surfeit children since my clan is “dying”.
     
    Instead of extending your analogy, Zach, I'm gonna do some do an insertion. The reason our tribe isn't having as many kids is not just "for some reason"; it's that our tribe has been so stable, conservative, honest and trusting in the past that it is just now noticing that the other tribes have been getting this big all-powerful alien group (just to make up some name, call it the US Government) to steal our tribes' stuff, give it to other tribes, and keep a decent cut. This has been going on for years and explains why people in our tribe don't feel they can afford to have more than one or two kids.

    OK, carry on with the rest of it.

    I can't tell whether this Brooks guy is really that stupid - his logic on supply and demand is, let's just say, "unsound". He may just be pulling this stuff out to keep the narrative going, as all these LP people are freaking out about all this truth spreading around lately like an epidemic.

    Brooks is that stupid. I saw him about 10 years ago at the Heritage Foundation or AEI. He was on a panel with the Derb and they were talking about I am Charlotte Simmon IIRC. I was not impressed.

    It’s like he, Krugman, and Friedman are having a running contest to see who can come up with the stupidest drivel nicely dressed up in high-sounding phrases. As the Derb said in his latest podcast, “It’s not that he’s not right; he is not even wrong.”

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  167. @Luke Lea
    Isn't Brooks saying essentially the same thing Kristol did, namely, that we need to get a new people to replace our native born white stock? I wonder if the time will come when Americans will look back on these words with the same kind of moral dismay we do now when we read the words of Progressive eugenicists of a bygone era (Margaret Sanger for instance) or southern Democrats in the era of Jim Crow?

    Can't remember but has Brooks also suggested we somehow get rid of Trump the way Kristol did when he said he would prefer a deep state coup to the democratic process in the present situation? At what point do these guys step over the line of respectable opinion?

    “I wonder if the time will come when Americans will look back on these words with the same kind of moral dismay we do now when we read the words of Progressive eugenicists of a bygone era (Margaret Sanger for instance) or southern Democrats in the era of Jim Crow?”

    We?

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  168. One encouraging point. It wasn’t too long ago that Republicans en banc bought the bullshit that Brooks is peddling. Now it appears that there is substantial, majority, opposition from Republicans. Know hope.

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  169. @Dave Pinsen
    I'm out of my free NYT articles. What are the readers' picks comments saying?

    Use your incognito widow, if you are using Chrome or whatever is similar on the other browsers.

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  170. @JackOH
    You got it, Buffalo Joe. My native disposition isn't all that strongly "pro-laborist", but I'm just astounded by the twaddle written about labor. I was in a hiring capacity, and the #1 reason we could not keep talented people was we could not pay them well. It's no better than half-truth to say we were having "labor shortages". The workers who left us were having "pay shortages"---they brought strong skills to the table, and we weren't paying them enough for those skills.

    I'm okay with yesteryear's organized labor excesses seeing some correction. That appears now to have been the political cover story for the wholesale debasing of American labor, and I'm not okay with that. I've known any number of skilled white and blue collar folks who refuse to re-enter their fields because the pay isn't proportional to the skill and commitment they need to bring to those jobs. They'd rather take early retirement, work flea markets, take on low-commitment retail work, so they don't get ripped off by some bullpuckey employer. There's something deeply wrong here at a primal, visceral level.

    “It’s no better than half-truth to say we were having “labor shortages”. The workers who left us were having “pay shortages”—they brought strong skills to the table, and we weren’t paying them enough for those skills.”

    Well said.

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  171. @Bastion
    I can't agree more with this. The same thing has happened in IT. IT used to have some status associated with it. But the vibe nowadays is more in the line of "that's work for coolies". I have advised all of my kids not to follow me into software work.

    Where are you advising they go instead?

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    My eldest is very gifted in math (he is a HS junior already taking college calculus at the local engineering school, on track to finish diff eq before he finishes high school), and he is likely going in to bio-science/engineering. I have warned him that there is a lot of infiltration by Indians and Chinese in those fields, and they tend to be clannish, so it's probably a tough row to hoe.

    My second is more of a hands-on guy. I am pretty handy, if I say so myself, and he's all about building things with me. I am encouraging him to learn a trade and I'd like to set him up in business for himself. Electrician, or HVAC or plumbing, something un-offshorable, and something not terribly physically demanding that you can do without needing a lot of sweat labor.
  172. @Hubbub

    For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston.
     
    Go to Houston and live a while there, and you will experience 'Why'. Better 'a dying white America' than a black and brown hell-hole.

    The white race will not die out. For all we know, the slow down in white births may be due to some biological factor that senses the world is already overpopulated and beginning to feed on its own - a survival mechanism rather than a death wish.

    If it really was a survival mechanism, it would also stop whites from opening their borders to non-white invaders and financing a population explosion in Africa with foreign aid.

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    • Replies: @Hubbub
    Good point, but the word 'whites' needs to be qualified to the ruling classes in politics and business who consider themselves 'of the world' rather than 'of the people' - but that leads to other forms of argument which could go on interminably, so I shall desist.
  173. @Arthur Pierce
    As an aside, I distinctly recall my mother, a good pro-business Republican, favorably comparing liberal Wisconsin and Minnesota to pro-business Houston. To my goodthinkful younger self, this was heresy. A trip to Houston, however, significantly affected my views on the matter. I think perhaps the reason why Republicans might prefer a White America is that Whites simply build nicer societies, regardless of ideology.

    As an aside, I distinctly recall my mother, a good pro-business Republican, favorably comparing liberal Wisconsin and Minnesota to pro-business Houston.

    I was listening the NPR last year, and they did a feature on Wisconsin dairy farmers. And I’m thinking “Dairy farmers – salt of the earth type guys.” Well only sorta. It turns out that they ALL hire Mexican farm hands. Pay them 8 bucks and hour, no health care, no benefits. A Mexican farm hand interviewed said that he cracked his head open on the job and that the injury was his problem.

    The now standard but still bogus rationale of the farmers was that if they couldn’t hire the Mexicans, they couldn’t stay in business. As if cheaper milk is going to be imported from China. If ALL of the farmers were forced to pay a decent wage based on rational labor supply and demand and effective immigration enforcement, we’d have to pay a little more for milk, but so be it.

    There it is again, the habituation to cheap immigrant labor with the idea of paying Ameicans a living wage totally removed for the conversation.

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Did NPR point out that the excuse employers give for hiring Mexicans is the same one that ante-bellum plantation owners gave for keeping slaves?
    , @Freesmith
    And now you understand Paul Ryan.
  174. @Opinionator
    A flow based model doesn’t change the fact that increasing the number of consumers to presumably, in this case, fixed output of resources still results in less resources for everyone.


    Devil's advocate here--why should we assume a fixed output of resources in this scenario? For example, housing stock grows.

    We don’t have to – thus the presumably. The notion of an infinitely cooperative game where more participants increase the amount of all meaningful resources is unlikely.

    To go back to our river metaphor, its possible that increasing the supply of fish will also increase the amount of fertilizer – but only so much will be used given the constraints of the bed, soil, plants. The total amount of useful energy will always decrease, as per the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

    From what I can tell, we mostly avoid it by increasing debt and assuming the infinite gift of the future will save us. As Sarah Toga’s post notes, the present isn’t working out that well and our effective debt we’re carrying into the future is mindboggling.

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  175. @AnotherDad
    Very well said Wilkey. I tried to tack some of those points onto my additions to Jack's excellent comment above. This is the problem with Brooks. You can go book length refuting him.

    Beyond basic supply+demand--which Brooks is unable\unwilling to grasp--there are a bunch of additional points:

    -- Externalities of immigrants, which are high. They cost way, way more in "social costs"--direct that comes out of taxpayer's pocket and indirect in reduced quality of life--than the basically nonexistant economic benefits.

    -- Immigration drives up inequality. Immigration compresses wages, but not capital. It's essentially screws the working class--the class dependent on wage income--to benefit the capitalist class with cheaper labor. The overclass--like NYT pundits--who are not subject to immigration competition but can consume cheap services (nanny, maids, gardeners, hotel and restaurant meals, home repair\maintenance) also benefit.

    -- Immigrants have driven Americans *out* of various labor markets. End immigration and this will restore itself nicely. (Construction, taxi drivers, maids, landscaping, hospitality, etc. etc.) Those of us around in the pre-tsunami 60s remember it. It worked.

    -- Immigration drives *up*, not down housing prices. They suppress the building side of the costs, but raise the land side. But the building side essentially scales with wages and incomes. *It's the land side that makes housing unaffordable*. And it becomes particularly unaffordable in prosperous coastal cities, where the immigrants flock, making already scare land is made even more scare for Americans who do not want to live in foreign immigrant heavy neighborhoods.

    -- Immigration driven high housing prices even further delay\suppress "affordable family formation" and further suppress native American fertility.

    -- Immigration essentially destroys Americas historic prosperity, which was based on cheap land and dear labor. What made life in America so darn nice. It replaces that with the Asiatic model of cheap labor and expensive land, a much crappier model\lifestyle.

    Good points. I’d love to see someone try to quantify the amount of economic activity that is due to immigration. The number of people (FIRE, etc.) making money off it must be unbelievable.

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    "I’d love to see someone try to quantify the amount of economic activity that is due to immigration. The number of people (FIRE, etc.) making money off it must be unbelievable."

    I was thinking President Trump could hire a bunch of really smart people to try to quantify immigration-related costs. I wouldn't think this would be that expensive. Also, Obama had a bunch of people working for his administration focused on Malcolm Gladwell-type issues, in relation to the policies he wanted to pursue.
  176. @MW
    "slow-growth/zero-sum liberals one used to meet in the 1970s"

    Yeah, they were so silly, thinking that an exponentially growing population might eventually lead to problems.

    But then ... the developed world solved that problem! We lowered our birthrates!

    So the developed world ran into a new problem - how do we run an economy with a stagnant population? We've had growth for so long that our institutions are built around that assumption, that there would always be significantly more workers than seniors, and lots of children to fill every job, grow the economy, and easily pay off their parents' debts.

    But instead of solving that problem - which the world is obviously going to have to solve some day - we're kicking that can down the road by importing immigrants.

    And David Brooks ... for the life of him can't figure out why anyone might oppose this.

    The growth assumption was to be maintained via free trade and exports, remember NAFTA, GATT, WTO? But we wouldn’t be inundated with displaced Mexican corn farmers, working “uncompetitive” land , because the maquiladora factories would employ these farmers. And Americans would get rich from high value added products and services.

    Thinking back to the talking points on NAFTA circa 1992-3, it had a buttoned down , air tight logic to it. Reminds me of the Simpson’s episode where principal Skinner explains how a Bolivian tree lizard proble will be solved.

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  177. @Sean


    Nothing more hilarious than white Americans cheering on the death of white America. The level of dissonance is unreal.
     
    We aren’t sure whether Brooks considers himself to be White.
     
    Little doubt in my mind whether he considers himself to be such, nor is there any doubt that his writing only works because he is implying he is writing as one of the very same people he is animadverting. Yet there is a Catch 22 inasmuch to call him out on it is impossible, because he will deny allegiance to anything but the general good. That is no small advantage, but no one is bothering to argue with him now anyway.

    The general good? What is that, the global good, the Western good, the American good? Or is it really just the Brooks good: whatever makes him feel best.

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  178. @ThreeCranes
    Did it not occur to Brooks that there may be a shortage in construction workers due to the fact that it takes time to train them and that the market is not agile enough to respond instantaneously to peaks and valleys? Apprentice programs used to require a four year commitment.

    Oh, that's right, that was from a distant time when your home was built by a guy who had undergone not just education and training, but a two-year apprenticeship under expert oversight before he could call himself a carpenter.

    Brooks, I suppose, would rather our (his?) house be built by guys who, yesterday, were flipping burgers or filling out unemployment forms.

    This is the labor force as envisioned by our OverLords: mobile and ever ready. Kinda like a pool of permanent ManPower temps. Anybody else remember ManPower? Dregs and culls who couldn't do anything expertly.

    Shoddy construction is another externality created by the new normal. After numerous vacations in Mexico I believe that I'll stick with American workers who had undergone an apprenticeship. Not saying all Mexicans do bad work, but without any standardized training programs, how would you know whether the person you're hiring is qualified?

    Three Cranes, You are correct. I served a three year apprenticeship, with four hours of classes every Saturday except three summer months. Some apprenticeships around here are now five years with a low starting pay and four hours of night classes per week, but a 40 hour job for the taking and scheduled pay increases. Problem is too many workers want the big journeyman’s pay without the commitment. Need to strike a balance.

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  179. @Travis
    similar situation for me and many of my co-workers. I too gave up looking last year and am using my 401K to start a business. Another reason Indians have taken over many IT departments, besides the lower salaries, they prefer to hire other Indians...basic discrimination against East Asians, Caucasians. Indians are quite fond of the caste system and seek to bring this with them to America.

    similar situation for me and many of my co-workers. I too gave up looking last year and am using my 401K to start a business. Another reason Indians have taken over many IT departments, besides the lower salaries, they prefer to hire other Indians…

    Exactly. Here’s another anecdote along the same lines:

    I was in the Charlotte airport last year waiting for a connecting flight. And I noticed that all of the agents at the 4 gates near me were East African. I could tell by their appearance and accents when they made announcements. And I asked myself then, “Wait a second, is being a gate agent at an airport really a job that Americans won’t do?” According to Brooks and Kristol, I guess so. So goodbye and good riddance to the White Trash scanning your boarding pass.

    And coincidentally, I was watching the Senate confirmation hearings in January on C-SPAN. Al Franken gets up on his soapbox and excoriates Trump for visiting Minnesota. Well OK, that’s what gas-bag Senators do. But then Franken said Trump’s presence insulted the 1,000 East Africans who work at the Minneapolis airport. Another “Wait a second…” Assuming MN airport job announcements are widely disseminated, how did that lopsided demographic of East Africans working at the airport come about? No doubt because there is a Crony pipeline in place for East Africans.

    I mean the FDNY Irish Crony pipeline is corrupt too, but at least those jobs go to other Americans.

    Americans have no idea. And that’s the way the Cronies want it…

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    Everybody knows that having Muslim Somalis are much more reliable, even-tempered, and non-terroristic than, say, Scandinavian-Americans, so it makes all the sense in the world to employ inside the security perimeters at the Minneapolis airport lots of people named Jihad Muhammad instead of locals with untrustworthy name like Marge Gunderson.
    , @Dan Hayes
    SteveM:

    You refer to the FDNY Irish Crony pipeline. Not now, nor possibly ever in modern times.

    Entrance to the department is and has been by civil service exam.

    In recent decades the exam has been manipulated by the city government to increase minority results. (Minorities = females, nonwhites.) To achieve desired outcomes, the exams and/or results have been annulled/reformulated by judicial decree to favor minorities.

    The end result is that whites (and especially Irish Americans since they have been the predominant applicants) have been discriminated against.

    , @guest
    I used to work as a janitor at a couple of places, and of course I worked alongside dregs. But I also worked for medium-sized enterprises, including a hospital, which technically wasn't an enterprise. ("Not for profit.") That was still full of middle-aged, middle-class white ladies as housekeepers. Big enterprises, on the other hand, especially ones connected to the public, are jam-packed full of neo-Americans. I don't assume that happens by accident.
  180. @Anonymous
    One of the Beautiful People openly expresses his contempt and blood lust against "dying white America" and . . . all you take from it is some fevered attempt to bold any reference Brooks has of water related concepts?

    Get a grip Sailer.

    Contempt and bloodlust against dying white America is at least half-”dog bites man” these days, even for “conservatives” like Brooks. They’re not usually this transparent, but the difference is marginal. You need another angle to make it news.

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  181. @SteveM

    similar situation for me and many of my co-workers. I too gave up looking last year and am using my 401K to start a business. Another reason Indians have taken over many IT departments, besides the lower salaries, they prefer to hire other Indians…
     
    Exactly. Here's another anecdote along the same lines:

    I was in the Charlotte airport last year waiting for a connecting flight. And I noticed that all of the agents at the 4 gates near me were East African. I could tell by their appearance and accents when they made announcements. And I asked myself then, “Wait a second, is being a gate agent at an airport really a job that Americans won’t do?" According to Brooks and Kristol, I guess so. So goodbye and good riddance to the White Trash scanning your boarding pass.

    And coincidentally, I was watching the Senate confirmation hearings in January on C-SPAN. Al Franken gets up on his soapbox and excoriates Trump for visiting Minnesota. Well OK, that’s what gas-bag Senators do. But then Franken said Trump’s presence insulted the 1,000 East Africans who work at the Minneapolis airport. Another “Wait a second…” Assuming MN airport job announcements are widely disseminated, how did that lopsided demographic of East Africans working at the airport come about? No doubt because there is a Crony pipeline in place for East Africans.

    I mean the FDNY Irish Crony pipeline is corrupt too, but at least those jobs go to other Americans.

    Americans have no idea. And that's the way the Cronies want it...

    Everybody knows that having Muslim Somalis are much more reliable, even-tempered, and non-terroristic than, say, Scandinavian-Americans, so it makes all the sense in the world to employ inside the security perimeters at the Minneapolis airport lots of people named Jihad Muhammad instead of locals with untrustworthy name like Marge Gunderson.

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    • Replies: @Bastion
    Hey, Marge is on a short fuse, don't-cha-know?

    I travel to Minneapolis semi-frequently. It gets worse every time. There are stops on the metro line from the airport that look like a friggin' bazaar.
  182. Since Brooks and Dumb are convinced White America is dying off like flies, the GOP needs to appeal directly to brown people. They need to abandon Israel and support Palestinian Statehood and Syrian claims on the Golan Heights. They need to insist on a permanent ban on new Israeli settlements and going back to the borders before the Six Day War. Its what the people of color want Mr. Brooks.

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  183. @Wade
    David Brooks and his son, who fought in the Israeli military, are Israeli citizens. They both have exit plans if the going gets rough for the USA.

    I'm guessing the same goes for many wealthy billionaires in the USA.

    Of course, if America disappears then so too does Israel. Without the U.S., Israel wouldn’t have access to the sophisticated and deadly and free weapons that keep Israel’s enemies at bay.

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  184. @keypusher
    It's like Brooks has never encountered the concept of stickiness. Either the forces of supply and demand adjust themselves instantly, as in the treasury bond market, or they will never adjust at all.

    I remember realizing from reading The Cider House Rules that back in the 1940s fruit was picked by migrant African-Americans. Does Brooks suppose they were all replaced by Mexicans overnight?

    I remember realizing from reading The Cider House Rules that back in the 1940s fruit was picked by migrant African-Americans. Does Brooks suppose they were all replaced by Mexicans overnight?

    I’ve read that one reason America has Mexicans pick the produce is because “we” don’t like the image of blacks in fields, picking crops. Better to have welfare for the blacks and import other unskilled labor for the fields.

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    @Steve Sailer
    A whole bunch of white Americans moved to North Dakota a half decade ago to work outdoors all winter long in the fracking boom. Why? Because energy companies paid a lot of money.

    The NYT ran a whole bunch of articles about how ... unseemly and ... worrisome ... it was that white high school grads were making six figures for working overtime lifting heavy stuff in subzero weather.

    There were trillions invested (or spent) on the US unconventional oil boom after 2008. I’ve been too lazy to look it up, but new housing construction never made it back to the 10-20 year median levels prior to 2008. Just like ‘inventory’ in the traditional business cycle. Only instead of just liquidating it, it hangs around for decades. There was activity on multiple levels. Leasing money, which went to locals and farmers and was spread around. Exploration/Production, which used a lot of labor and cost a lot of money. There was also a ‘midstream’ boom financed by MLP (master limited partnerships), which include pipelines and anything that financial promoters can argue is a steady cash stream. And then all the knock on effects of the boom.

    I am positive it was at least a trillion, but maybe three. A trillion in housing is 3 million homes. Unless I’m off by a zero or two. Lets just say it was the only strong growth area to offset the decline in housing. It is my explanation for why the US led the developed economies post 2008. Obama was theoretically against it, but without it there would have been enormous deflationary pressures. I have never seen this discussed in this fashion, but am sure it is far from an original thought.

    The only thing that may be original is that Pennsylvania is the largest unconventional gas state in the US (or #2 to Texas). The Marcellus and Utica plays are located there. The US is one of the few countries with widespread ownership of mineral rights by typical landowners. People don’t talk about it a lot, but people that own producing mineral acerage care a LOT about it. My guess is that it is the usual rural upper strata that is collecting. Old farm families that have owned for generations. Developer types, &c. The point being that this is a lot bigger than coal.

    Hillary wasn’t shy about being anti coal. But in passing, she said something in passing — after she was through with regulation, there wouldn’t be much/any fracking either. In theory, dry, unconventional gas is the bridge fuel to our clean energy future. Wind and solar can get cheap enough, but they can’t produce base load. No one wants to deal with nuclear. Except the realistic, engineering oriented environmentalists. Not many of them. Regardless, people knew in their bones that Trump wouldn’t mess up gas. They also knew Hillary would do everything possible to do the opposite. She would eventually have been bought off — unlike maybe Sanders.

    I tried to support this theory, but it is difficult. There are maps with producing areas. The stuff is taxed at the wellhead, and public data on that. Since it was so close, almost anything could be claimed to have swung PA. I think this is a rather potent group, given how much they care. Utilities can just pass on costs. Big oil would have been more profitable without ANY unconventional oil. This is the reason we have fracking but Europe and Ukraine doesn’t. Or Argentina. Even though it would be enormously good for them. The Hollywood anti message is fake news. But if you live in Western PA in some of these places, there is never going to be cash flowing into these counties otherwise.

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  186. Brooks says;

    The problem is that American society is actually more like a river. Sometimes the river is running high, with a lot of volume and flow, with lots of good stuff for everybody, and sometimes it’s running low.

    Let’s illustrate the point by looking at one portion of the labor market. Right now construction is booming in many cities. This has created high demand for workers and pervasive labor shortages.

    Nationwide, there are now about 200,000 unfilled construction jobs, according to the National Association of Home Builders. If America were as simple as a lake, builders would just raise wages, incomes would rise and the problem would be over.

    But that hasn’t happened. …

    Employers have apparently decided raising wages won’t work. …

    This is a false logic, 200,000 unfilled construction jobs?? If the developers/builders are unwilling to raise wages to fill these jobs it means the jobs are not essential. A comparison would be if I have appendicitis, I have to get an appendectomy or I will die, essential! If I want breasts implants or a tummy tuck, I can wait, not essential. How many construction jobs are essential?

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  187. @Buffalo Joe
    What I don't understand is why Brooks doesn't understand that I want a stable and prosperous country for this dying old white guy to leave to my grandchildren. It is that simple, but Brooks and others of his ilk, are already set for the next few generations.

    As the main character observes in Houellebecq’s Submission, “There is no Israel for me.”

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  188. @Jack D
    It really depends on which whites and which Jews. For example during the civil rights movement, a lot of Northern America Jews (a lot of Northern liberals period, of whom the Jews were a major component) identified more with the blacks struggling for their civil rights than they did with white Southerners. Southern Jews, much less numerous but often deeply imbedded in the fabric of their small towns, did the opposite - they identified mostly with their white neighbors .

    Quite true. Liberal Jews distinguish between what John Derbyshire calls GoodWhites and BadWhites. Most of them consider themselves to be GoodWhites. In my experience with friends and relatives who are Jewish, they overwhelmingly consider themselves to be White with an asterisk. The most radical ones have decided that they are not really White, and Jewish is an identify entirely separate from White. I think people like Brooks fall into the category of regarding themselves as GoodWhites who are working towards allowing the BadWhites to become extinct.

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  189. @SteveM

    similar situation for me and many of my co-workers. I too gave up looking last year and am using my 401K to start a business. Another reason Indians have taken over many IT departments, besides the lower salaries, they prefer to hire other Indians…
     
    Exactly. Here's another anecdote along the same lines:

    I was in the Charlotte airport last year waiting for a connecting flight. And I noticed that all of the agents at the 4 gates near me were East African. I could tell by their appearance and accents when they made announcements. And I asked myself then, “Wait a second, is being a gate agent at an airport really a job that Americans won’t do?" According to Brooks and Kristol, I guess so. So goodbye and good riddance to the White Trash scanning your boarding pass.

    And coincidentally, I was watching the Senate confirmation hearings in January on C-SPAN. Al Franken gets up on his soapbox and excoriates Trump for visiting Minnesota. Well OK, that’s what gas-bag Senators do. But then Franken said Trump’s presence insulted the 1,000 East Africans who work at the Minneapolis airport. Another “Wait a second…” Assuming MN airport job announcements are widely disseminated, how did that lopsided demographic of East Africans working at the airport come about? No doubt because there is a Crony pipeline in place for East Africans.

    I mean the FDNY Irish Crony pipeline is corrupt too, but at least those jobs go to other Americans.

    Americans have no idea. And that's the way the Cronies want it...

    SteveM:

    You refer to the FDNY Irish Crony pipeline. Not now, nor possibly ever in modern times.

    Entrance to the department is and has been by civil service exam.

    In recent decades the exam has been manipulated by the city government to increase minority results. (Minorities = females, nonwhites.) To achieve desired outcomes, the exams and/or results have been annulled/reformulated by judicial decree to favor minorities.

    The end result is that whites (and especially Irish Americans since they have been the predominant applicants) have been discriminated against.

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  190. @Jack Highlands
    Which hypothesis? The one that Brooks parasitizes Steve for ideas?

    I think the referent is Steve’s theory that conservatives more commonly embrace weight-lifting and related anaerobic calisthenics while leftists more commonly embrace running and similar aerobic exercise.

    I don’t know what to make of it myself, being as I’ve run well over fifty marathons and I am probably as racist* a person as you could meet.

    In any event, if a trend emerges of meathead leftists beating up conservatives for merely attempting to speak and assemble, I foresee a lot of them (the meatheads) dying of gunshot wounds.

    *By modern, commonly accepted standards – which is to say my views on race would have been no bar to a successful bid for the presidency c. 1992.

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    I don’t know what to make of it myself, being as I’ve run well over fifty marathons and I am probably as racist* a person as you could meet.

    You may be a statistical outlier with respect to your non-respectable opinions combined with your fondness for long slow distance running.

  191. @Bastion
    I can't agree more with this. The same thing has happened in IT. IT used to have some status associated with it. But the vibe nowadays is more in the line of "that's work for coolies". I have advised all of my kids not to follow me into software work.

    I work in the Santa Clara Valley. When software engineers are sought by my employer, any candidate with the slightest affiliation with so-called “IT” (network administration, developmental operations, etc.), no matter how amazing his credentials for the matter at hand may be – i.e., no matter how amazing otherwise he is as an actual software engineer) – is treated as tainted by the stink of death and utterly undesirable.

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  192. @Zachary Latif
    If white America is "dying" then so is Korea, Japan and most of the developing world.

    The best analogy is that my tribe is the richest and my tribe isn't having as many kids as the neighbouring tribes for some reason. Then I'm told by the neighbouring tribe to adopt their surfeit children since my clan is "dying".

    To extend the analogy even further I'm not allowed to impose my tribal ways or identity on the newly adopted kids since that would be offensive to their heritage.

    After a while it simply won't be my tribe anymore one way or the other.

    So better to go back to basics and find out why my tribe isn't having as many children and what I can do to help them instead of mocking them for "dying." Kind of like what the Israelis did..

    Questioning why your tribe is dying is now hate speech.

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    Lt. O'Keefe of the Manchester Police Department said police are looking into the incident, but had no further information.
     
    I'm fascinated to know what law may have been violated. An ordinance against posting bills, perhaps? Statutes prohibiting litter? These are the only ones conceivable, which begs the question whether Lt. O'Keefe and his constabulary have equally enthusiastic, concurrent investigations ongoing regarding the city's doubtless hundreds if not thousands of flyers about concerts, garage-sales, and lost cats; discarded cans, bottles, and wrappers; etc.
  193. @Jack D
    Before air conditioning, no one in his right mind wanted to live south of the Mason-Dixon line in the summer. Houston had maybe 5 or 10 people. OK, a few hundred thousand but still maybe 1/8 of its current population.

    As I recall, Phoenix had a population of about 6,000 in 1906. A little over 100,000 in 1950, about 1.6 million today. I suspect a fair portion of the average annual growth over that period is due to air conditioning and water projects.

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  194. @Steve Sailer
    What kills me are when I see a crew of Mexican tree-trimmers with nobody wearing a hard hat. One guy is 30 feet up in the tree sawing off branches that weigh 50 pounds or so, while a couple of guys are down on the ground picking up the branches that are falling all around them. You might think that everybody should be wearing his own $50 hard hat in case they get whomped on the head by a falling tree branch, but, no, that would be too much government regulation in our Cheap Labor utopia. If they get hit on their bare head, they go to the emergency room and get $25,000 worth of health care.

    An elderly neighbor had to have some asbestos tiling torn up before she could sell her house. The contractor brought in three Spanish-speaking workers. Illegals? ¿Quién sabe? She was shocked to see that none of them wore respirators. The contractor said, “They don’t care about stuff like that.”

    Or maybe he didn’t get around to telling them about asbestos.

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    American blue collar people are pretty safety conscious on the job these days.

    Part of the economics of illegal aliens is to bring in people who won't demand safety equipment and training.
    , @Jack D
    It's not the contractor's fault. I brought in a couple of AA guys to put in a French drain in the basement of my son's house, which involved cutting the floor slab. They had a gas powered diamond saw but apparently had "lost" the connector for the water hose. Nor did they have masks or any type of safety equipment They had to stop every few minutes when they could no longer see their hands in front of their face from the clouds of concrete dust.
  195. @Ed

    The reason people like Brooks don’t care is because they don’t think it will affect them. But it will.
     
    It should have already affected him though. He should have been fired from his job for his poor performance at punditry. He himself admitted that he wasn't attuned to conservative opinion outside of elite circles. His only job is to relay conservative opinion to an audience that is mostly liberal. He didn't do that because he ignored the impact of immigration. He couldn't even get the primary right.

    His only job is to relay conservative opinion to an audience that is mostly liberal.

    He doesn’t do this on NPR. Everything he says is liberal. I can’t recall hearing him express an opinion I would call conservative. His liberal counterpart, EJ Dionne, occasionally sounds more conservative than Brooks.

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    His job is not to represent conservative opinion, but to misrepresent conservative opinion and to undermine actual conservative opinion toward the goal of changing it to progressive opinion. That was always the neocon objective.
  196. @bomag

    Personal opinion on this, y’all have treated other minorities like exotic pets that you assume the reverse will hold when you’re the pets.
     
    No such assumption. Pets go feral when the keepers are too enfeebled to maintain them.

    when the keepers are too enfeebled to maintain them

    Woman’s body found gnawed and eaten by her cats

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    It' my understanding that most dogs won't do this to their masters - they would rather starve, but the cats will chow right down.

    I assume we are going to see this more and more as the population of childless cat ladies with no one to look in on them increases.
  197. To equate waiting longer, to have more money, have a better life for your “white” offspring-to you know-actually take care of your freaking children versus have ten kids at 15 as “dying” is big stretch. I like that America has a lot of open space-I don’t need every square foot filled with a person. The river thing is just bat @#$! crazy.

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  198. @Opinionator
    A flow based model doesn’t change the fact that increasing the number of consumers to presumably, in this case, fixed output of resources still results in less resources for everyone.


    Devil's advocate here--why should we assume a fixed output of resources in this scenario? For example, housing stock grows.

    Are you insane, retarded, evil, or merely innumerate? Do you by chance work for Representative Anna Eshoo (D – Assyria)? Buildings may be constructed, but realty is finite (as is water, wildlife, etc.) Inhabitable realty much more so, and comfortably habitable realty astronomically more so. Shall I move to the Mojave Desert so Guatamalens can occupy San Diego? Shall all of us with houses move to high-rise apartments to appease you and Jennifer Rubin?

    Are you advocating the Earth become Lucas’ Coruscant? Shall we institute Carousel for those over thirty?

    Get ‘em out by Friday!

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  199. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston.

    Houston *is* “dying white America”.

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  200. @Joe Walker
    Is Brooks in favor of non-Jewish migration to Israel?

    I think it was Paul Gottfried who wrote that in Israeli politics, the neocons are hardcore nativists.

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  201. @Whiskey
    David Brooks is most assuredly White. Vibrant Diverse people from Somalia and Syria would certainly view him as both White AND Jewish. And nothing good for Brooks would come of it. This is obvious.

    BUT ... the HATE HATE HATE of Puritan culture types, who see themselves as a tiny neo-Calvinist predestined saved band of light against utter (BadWhite) Darkness is just too strong for survival instincts to overcome.

    This is NOT a Jewish thing -- how good for Jews has Somalia or Syrian been? How many live there? Even Sarah Silverman can figure out that importing half the population from there will be very, very bad for her now that she's hit the wall at full speed impact.

    It *IS* a thing of the Inter-White War, since the first Viking Raids in Britain. HBD has bad implications for Whites; a band of highly cooperative, communal, group-think people with distributed, non-top down social control has wreaked havoc on the West since 800 AD. Ask Ethelred or King Harold. Brooks as an intermarried, adoptive son of the Lutefisk, is not going to tolerate us BadWhites any second longer, see Ashley Judd, George Clooney, Hillary Clinton, or John McCain.

    This will NEVER stop -- its in their DNA. Scandinavians and non-Scandinavians just cannot get along. Look at Sweden and Germany. In Sweden their women are replacing their men wholesale, they'd rather live in poverty and violence with dominating men with the IQ of a turnip than safety with "boring" men from their own people. And Germany is set to elect the SPD on the platform of Open Borders and letting immigrants illegal and not ... VOTE.

    David Brooks is most assuredly White.

    Nope. He may be sorta pale, but he ain’t White.

    Vibrant Diverse people from Somalia and Syria

    Are often quite stupid.

    And nothing good for Brooks would come of it.

    Some people will cut off their schnozz to spite their face.

    This is obvious.

    Yes, your ‘explanation’ is obvious.

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  202. @Steve Sailer
    New York is a lot more genteel than when I spent a lot of time there from 1979-1991, but still ...

    Bloomberg turned it into DisneyWorld North.

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  203. @Harry Baldwin
    His only job is to relay conservative opinion to an audience that is mostly liberal.

    He doesn't do this on NPR. Everything he says is liberal. I can't recall hearing him express an opinion I would call conservative. His liberal counterpart, EJ Dionne, occasionally sounds more conservative than Brooks.

    His job is not to represent conservative opinion, but to misrepresent conservative opinion and to undermine actual conservative opinion toward the goal of changing it to progressive opinion. That was always the neocon objective.

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  204. @Jack D
    My guess is that there long term plan for that position is to fill it remotely from India. That way, instead of paying you 20% less than what your friend was making, they will pay some guy in Bangalore 80% less, once they have picked your brain of all relevant knowledge. He will communicate by Skype, email, etc. and of course have computer access so for the people he interfaces with, theoretically they don't care if he is down the hall or 8,000 miles away.

    My guess is that there long term plan for that position is to fill it remotely from India. That way, instead of paying you 20% less than what your friend was making, they will pay some guy in Bangalore 80% less, once they have picked your brain of all relevant knowledge.

    The principal effect of the interwebs revolution appears to be wage arbitrage for the white collar workforce. Too bad we can’t have the entire H-1B visa quota allocated to the postal service. We might even get our mail on time.

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  205. @Coemgen
    Questioning why your tribe is dying is now hate speech.

    Lt. O’Keefe of the Manchester Police Department said police are looking into the incident, but had no further information.

    I’m fascinated to know what law may have been violated. An ordinance against posting bills, perhaps? Statutes prohibiting litter? These are the only ones conceivable, which begs the question whether Lt. O’Keefe and his constabulary have equally enthusiastic, concurrent investigations ongoing regarding the city’s doubtless hundreds if not thousands of flyers about concerts, garage-sales, and lost cats; discarded cans, bottles, and wrappers; etc.

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  206. @Opinionator
    Where are you advising they go instead?

    My eldest is very gifted in math (he is a HS junior already taking college calculus at the local engineering school, on track to finish diff eq before he finishes high school), and he is likely going in to bio-science/engineering. I have warned him that there is a lot of infiltration by Indians and Chinese in those fields, and they tend to be clannish, so it’s probably a tough row to hoe.

    My second is more of a hands-on guy. I am pretty handy, if I say so myself, and he’s all about building things with me. I am encouraging him to learn a trade and I’d like to set him up in business for himself. Electrician, or HVAC or plumbing, something un-offshorable, and something not terribly physically demanding that you can do without needing a lot of sweat labor.

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    Thanks
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Bastion have your handy son apply for a union apprenticeship with either the electricians or plumbers. They will train him for free, well you do pay dues, and when he is done he can work at the trade and do work on the side, best of both worlds.
    , @Eric Novak
    Your gifted boy needs to stay on track. Kids like your son, who have that kind of ability, are college bound, not trade bound. If he sours in his career in the sciences and has a light student debt load, he can pursue a trade as an adult; the converse, returning to college to pursue a career in the sciences after disappointment with the trades, is not likely. Your advice is an over-correction to general fears about the costs of getting a college education that doesn't apply to kids with your son's abilities. Kids with a 35 ACT score (sorry, in IL, the SAT is not the standard) who will enter as freshmen with 200-level calculus credits don't go into the trades.
    Yours Truly,
    22-year research director for Small U at Large Gov't Lab, who also uses the Int'l Plumbing Code/NEC on a regular basis
  207. @Steve Sailer
    Everybody knows that having Muslim Somalis are much more reliable, even-tempered, and non-terroristic than, say, Scandinavian-Americans, so it makes all the sense in the world to employ inside the security perimeters at the Minneapolis airport lots of people named Jihad Muhammad instead of locals with untrustworthy name like Marge Gunderson.

    Hey, Marge is on a short fuse, don’t-cha-know?

    I travel to Minneapolis semi-frequently. It gets worse every time. There are stops on the metro line from the airport that look like a friggin’ bazaar.

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    My taxi driver from the hotel to the airport in Minneapolis was Ethiopian. Six kids, they seemed to be doing well, mostly as nurses etc.
    He hated the Somalis though, said they were 1) lazy criminals 2) ruining his reputation as a hard working African immigrant.
    Funny
  208. @SteveM

    As an aside, I distinctly recall my mother, a good pro-business Republican, favorably comparing liberal Wisconsin and Minnesota to pro-business Houston.
     
    I was listening the NPR last year, and they did a feature on Wisconsin dairy farmers. And I'm thinking “Dairy farmers – salt of the earth type guys.” Well only sorta. It turns out that they ALL hire Mexican farm hands. Pay them 8 bucks and hour, no health care, no benefits. A Mexican farm hand interviewed said that he cracked his head open on the job and that the injury was his problem.

    The now standard but still bogus rationale of the farmers was that if they couldn’t hire the Mexicans, they couldn’t stay in business. As if cheaper milk is going to be imported from China. If ALL of the farmers were forced to pay a decent wage based on rational labor supply and demand and effective immigration enforcement, we’d have to pay a little more for milk, but so be it.

    There it is again, the habituation to cheap immigrant labor with the idea of paying Ameicans a living wage totally removed for the conversation.

    Did NPR point out that the excuse employers give for hiring Mexicans is the same one that ante-bellum plantation owners gave for keeping slaves?

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    I've been pointing that out to people since I can't remember when, and it lands a good percentage of the time. Slavery makes good economic sense,when you think about it. What percentage of the globe would he better off not being paid a salary and not having the freedom to quit, so long as they were situated within a working civilization and given room, board, and otherwise provided for? Not extravagantly, but enough to get by and be more comfortable than before?

    These are the sort of backwards conclusions you arrive at when first you consider what's best for the whole world.
  209. @SteveM

    similar situation for me and many of my co-workers. I too gave up looking last year and am using my 401K to start a business. Another reason Indians have taken over many IT departments, besides the lower salaries, they prefer to hire other Indians…
     
    Exactly. Here's another anecdote along the same lines:

    I was in the Charlotte airport last year waiting for a connecting flight. And I noticed that all of the agents at the 4 gates near me were East African. I could tell by their appearance and accents when they made announcements. And I asked myself then, “Wait a second, is being a gate agent at an airport really a job that Americans won’t do?" According to Brooks and Kristol, I guess so. So goodbye and good riddance to the White Trash scanning your boarding pass.

    And coincidentally, I was watching the Senate confirmation hearings in January on C-SPAN. Al Franken gets up on his soapbox and excoriates Trump for visiting Minnesota. Well OK, that’s what gas-bag Senators do. But then Franken said Trump’s presence insulted the 1,000 East Africans who work at the Minneapolis airport. Another “Wait a second…” Assuming MN airport job announcements are widely disseminated, how did that lopsided demographic of East Africans working at the airport come about? No doubt because there is a Crony pipeline in place for East Africans.

    I mean the FDNY Irish Crony pipeline is corrupt too, but at least those jobs go to other Americans.

    Americans have no idea. And that's the way the Cronies want it...

    I used to work as a janitor at a couple of places, and of course I worked alongside dregs. But I also worked for medium-sized enterprises, including a hospital, which technically wasn’t an enterprise. (“Not for profit.”) That was still full of middle-aged, middle-class white ladies as housekeepers. Big enterprises, on the other hand, especially ones connected to the public, are jam-packed full of neo-Americans. I don’t assume that happens by accident.

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  210. @Harry Baldwin
    Did NPR point out that the excuse employers give for hiring Mexicans is the same one that ante-bellum plantation owners gave for keeping slaves?

    I’ve been pointing that out to people since I can’t remember when, and it lands a good percentage of the time. Slavery makes good economic sense,when you think about it. What percentage of the globe would he better off not being paid a salary and not having the freedom to quit, so long as they were situated within a working civilization and given room, board, and otherwise provided for? Not extravagantly, but enough to get by and be more comfortable than before?

    These are the sort of backwards conclusions you arrive at when first you consider what’s best for the whole world.

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  211. @Luke Lea
    Isn't Brooks saying essentially the same thing Kristol did, namely, that we need to get a new people to replace our native born white stock? I wonder if the time will come when Americans will look back on these words with the same kind of moral dismay we do now when we read the words of Progressive eugenicists of a bygone era (Margaret Sanger for instance) or southern Democrats in the era of Jim Crow?

    Can't remember but has Brooks also suggested we somehow get rid of Trump the way Kristol did when he said he would prefer a deep state coup to the democratic process in the present situation? At what point do these guys step over the line of respectable opinion?

    At what point do these guys step over the line of respectable opinion?

    You assume that there’s a respectable line of American opinion remaining. Maybe it’s a mistake to assume that.

    Define “respectable opinion.”

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  212. @Mark Caplan
    A force driving the construction boom is the one million plus immigrants entering America each year. They need houses, apartments, hospitals, schools, prisons, roads, stores, restaurants, water and sewer systems, you name it. Brooks's argument is circular.

    >They need houses, apartments,

    And since they can only afford the cheap, shoddy stuff that needs to be razed and rebuilt fairly often, you know they’re gonna stay busy. Especially if those Trump protesters step up their game and start burning stuff down. It’s the economic equivalent of a perpetual motion machine.

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  213. @Steve Sailer
    What kills me are when I see a crew of Mexican tree-trimmers with nobody wearing a hard hat. One guy is 30 feet up in the tree sawing off branches that weigh 50 pounds or so, while a couple of guys are down on the ground picking up the branches that are falling all around them. You might think that everybody should be wearing his own $50 hard hat in case they get whomped on the head by a falling tree branch, but, no, that would be too much government regulation in our Cheap Labor utopia. If they get hit on their bare head, they go to the emergency room and get $25,000 worth of health care.

    That may be a good example of cultural dissonance. If a Mexican laborer gets clocked on the head by a tree branch, 1) he’s not likely to go to emergency unless it’s a very serious injury; 2) if he went to emergency in Mexico for an open wound, contusion, or concussion the bill would likely be a small fraction of the bill in the US, for many obvious and not so obvious reasons. Low cost for risk to life and limb was once a primary factor of production in the US as well. Apparently 34 men died constructing the Oroville Dam – in the 60′s. What was the payout for those lost lives?

    http://www.orovillemr.com/article/zz/20140326/NEWS/140328149

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  214. @Autochthon
    I think the referent is Steve's theory that conservatives more commonly embrace weight-lifting and related anaerobic calisthenics while leftists more commonly embrace running and similar aerobic exercise.

    I don't know what to make of it myself, being as I've run well over fifty marathons and I am probably as racist* a person as you could meet.

    In any event, if a trend emerges of meathead leftists beating up conservatives for merely attempting to speak and assemble, I foresee a lot of them (the meatheads) dying of gunshot wounds.

    *By modern, commonly accepted standards – which is to say my views on race would have been no bar to a successful bid for the presidency c. 1992.

    I don’t know what to make of it myself, being as I’ve run well over fifty marathons and I am probably as racist* a person as you could meet.

    You may be a statistical outlier with respect to your non-respectable opinions combined with your fondness for long slow distance running.

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    @Bleuteaux
    Good points. I'd love to see someone try to quantify the amount of economic activity that is due to immigration. The number of people (FIRE, etc.) making money off it must be unbelievable.

    “I’d love to see someone try to quantify the amount of economic activity that is due to immigration. The number of people (FIRE, etc.) making money off it must be unbelievable.”

    I was thinking President Trump could hire a bunch of really smart people to try to quantify immigration-related costs. I wouldn’t think this would be that expensive. Also, Obama had a bunch of people working for his administration focused on Malcolm Gladwell-type issues, in relation to the policies he wanted to pursue.

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  216. @415 reasons
    Brooks lives in a neighborhood of DC that is >80% white, and not in Houston. So he himself prefers dying white America to Houston, but he can't fathom how Republicans who can't afford zillion dollar houses in tony northwest DC would share his preference.

    Glad someone else pointed this out.

    I was just going to say that if you want to see “white America” — whether dying or living — just go to the DC suburbs where the so-called liberals live. If there’s any reason these people support illegals, it’s because they get domestic help on the cheap, often paying them off-the-books wages. And they want to keep it that way.

    What we all read about Zoe Biard and Kimba Wood in the ’90s is the norm, not an aberration.

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  217. @Travis
    similar situation for me and many of my co-workers. I too gave up looking last year and am using my 401K to start a business. Another reason Indians have taken over many IT departments, besides the lower salaries, they prefer to hire other Indians...basic discrimination against East Asians, Caucasians. Indians are quite fond of the caste system and seek to bring this with them to America.

    Good luck in your endeavors!

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  218. @Bastion
    Hey, Marge is on a short fuse, don't-cha-know?

    I travel to Minneapolis semi-frequently. It gets worse every time. There are stops on the metro line from the airport that look like a friggin' bazaar.

    My taxi driver from the hotel to the airport in Minneapolis was Ethiopian. Six kids, they seemed to be doing well, mostly as nurses etc.
    He hated the Somalis though, said they were 1) lazy criminals 2) ruining his reputation as a hard working African immigrant.
    Funny

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  219. @Bastion
    My eldest is very gifted in math (he is a HS junior already taking college calculus at the local engineering school, on track to finish diff eq before he finishes high school), and he is likely going in to bio-science/engineering. I have warned him that there is a lot of infiltration by Indians and Chinese in those fields, and they tend to be clannish, so it's probably a tough row to hoe.

    My second is more of a hands-on guy. I am pretty handy, if I say so myself, and he's all about building things with me. I am encouraging him to learn a trade and I'd like to set him up in business for himself. Electrician, or HVAC or plumbing, something un-offshorable, and something not terribly physically demanding that you can do without needing a lot of sweat labor.

    Thanks

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  220. @pyrrhus
    In Northern Illinois, unionized construction workers are frequently on unemployment, because most construction is being performed by immigrants at much lower wages and/or off the books. But David Brooks, who probably hasn't done a lick of real work in his life, knows better because Carlos Slim told him so....Hey David, why doesn't your kid leave the Israeli army and take a construction job in the US?

    I don’t think many houses are getting built in Daddy’s verdant and exclusive Cleveland Park (DC) neighborhood, which is more the kind of place where people blog or FB endlessly about their new solarium addition or yoga room updating.

    Also I doubt Daddy ever taught him to recognize a hammer or pneumatic nailer, never mind to use one.

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  221. @Harry Baldwin
    An elderly neighbor had to have some asbestos tiling torn up before she could sell her house. The contractor brought in three Spanish-speaking workers. Illegals? ¿Quién sabe? She was shocked to see that none of them wore respirators. The contractor said, "They don't care about stuff like that."

    Or maybe he didn't get around to telling them about asbestos.

    American blue collar people are pretty safety conscious on the job these days.

    Part of the economics of illegal aliens is to bring in people who won’t demand safety equipment and training.

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  222. @Forbes
    Brooks shamelessly takes his talking points from a lobby group, the National Association of Home Builders, citing 200,000 openings in a country while 90+ million working age adults are not in the labor force. Apparently such Home Builder employment datum analogized into a flowing river are how so-called smart people like Brooks explain complex issues like immigration and employment.

    That Brooks offered no evidence as to home builders actually paying higher wages didn't escape this reader.

    But the give-away was obvious when Brooks offered and dismissed the "unconscious supposition that American society is like a lake, with a relatively fixed boundary." Whether conscious or unconscious, it was an endorsement of open borders as a fixed assumption of American society.

    Brooks shamelessly takes his talking points from a lobby group, the National Association of Home Builders,

    The same people who browbeat us about being ‘ignorant’ about global warming want to keep driving the economy by suburbanizing farmland and growing the population…

    I honestly don’t think people like brooks have any rationale about immigration beyond simply wanting to make white gentiles a minority in the US and Europe. Its extraordinary that they have made it taboo (YOU are an ‘anti-semite’ for pointing this out) to even talk about it.

    Obviously not all jews are this way – it seems to be super concentrated in the global elite but we can’t even seem to publicly acknowledge the existence of a common theme in so many jewish pundits and globalists.

    It is higher in among globlist gentiles too but I know of no globalist gentiles who have the added hypocrisy of NOT advocating it for their own sub group

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  223. @Opinionator
    A flow based model doesn’t change the fact that increasing the number of consumers to presumably, in this case, fixed output of resources still results in less resources for everyone.


    Devil's advocate here--why should we assume a fixed output of resources in this scenario? For example, housing stock grows.

    For example, housing stock grows.

    But the supporting land base is a finite resource.

    At the height of the building boom circa 2008, someone chortled that a million acres a year of farmland was being converted to housing. Optimists tell me that we can “create” more farmland by innovating on marginal ground; or increasing production on the remaining; or building high rise housing, but the notion of innovating our way out of natural resource shortages is about the hollowest concept out there.

    There is acknowledgement of this inherent resource shortage in Brook’s quip about “dying white America”. If he really believed in infinity, there would be room on this planet for infinite white people, just like there is apparently room for infinite non-white people. But, alas, “white people” are just another resource under pressure and getting harder to acquire.

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  224. @Negrolphin Pool

    What does it mean to be treated as an exotic pet versus not?
     
    I think what he was getting at is that most pet owners wouldn't, say, torture their dog to death with a blow torch because they were bored.

    https://www.amren.com/news/2017/02/british-woman-murdered-husband-left-dead-south-africa-tortured-blowtorch/

    These were reportedly good liberals who, I'm sure, believed that the local apex predators would realize they were big-time animal lovers etc and so would be their friends, like some puerile Disney plot.

    Since the beginning of February 30 farms have have been attacked and 15 people have lost their lives in farm attacks across the country (South Africa).

    More of the dying Brooks is so anxious to encourage.

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  225. @Harry Baldwin
    An elderly neighbor had to have some asbestos tiling torn up before she could sell her house. The contractor brought in three Spanish-speaking workers. Illegals? ¿Quién sabe? She was shocked to see that none of them wore respirators. The contractor said, "They don't care about stuff like that."

    Or maybe he didn't get around to telling them about asbestos.

    It’s not the contractor’s fault. I brought in a couple of AA guys to put in a French drain in the basement of my son’s house, which involved cutting the floor slab. They had a gas powered diamond saw but apparently had “lost” the connector for the water hose. Nor did they have masks or any type of safety equipment They had to stop every few minutes when they could no longer see their hands in front of their face from the clouds of concrete dust.

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  226. @Sgt. Joe Friday
    "That is, until you actually get out in the real world."

    Has Brooks ever even seen the "real world." Who here thinks Brooks has ever set foot on a job site or swung a hammer? Bueller? Bueller?

    People don’t really swing hammers much nowadays. Mostly they shoot nail guns.

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  227. @Polichinello
    "For the life of me, I can’t figure out why so many Republicans prefer a dying white America to a place like, say, Houston."

    While Houston is more liveable for the working and middle class than Los Angeles or New York--despite a slump in oil prices--it's not paradise, and it's simply running 10 years behind where LA is now. Roads and utilities are in disrepair. The exterior facades of most buildings have taken on that neglected sheen you see in old shopping malls. Anyone with the means, flees the school district and moves to a better suburb, like Ft. Bend or Katy. Large continuous blocks have been turned into poor replicas of Karachi, Saigon or Mexico City. If you have the means to set up in a nice re-build in West U. or buy a McMansion in the Woodlands, life is getting better, but for everyone else, Houston is experiencing the same slow degradation the rest of the country's urban centers have seen.

    We are so lucky in Dallas to have the Park Cities as anchors and islands of stability. It’s as if an area similar to River Oaks but 13 times as big were a separate municipality.

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  228. @Hippopotamusdrome


    when the keepers are too enfeebled to maintain them

     

    Woman's body found gnawed and eaten by her cats

    It’ my understanding that most dogs won’t do this to their masters – they would rather starve, but the cats will chow right down.

    I assume we are going to see this more and more as the population of childless cat ladies with no one to look in on them increases.

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    most dogs won’t do this to their masters
     
    Yeah, I recall a couple years ago or so, someone established that dogs form a true emotional attachment, while cats are just in it for the utility.

    I'm reminded here of the scene from Camp Of the Saints where they make sausage out of the boss...

    , @EriK

    It’ my understanding that most dogs won’t do this to their masters – they would rather starve, but the cats will chow right down.
     
    Whenever the cat food gets low, my wife and I joke about how the cats may turn on us at any time. It's a lot less funny when evidence of what actually happens turns up.
  229. @Rob McX
    If it really was a survival mechanism, it would also stop whites from opening their borders to non-white invaders and financing a population explosion in Africa with foreign aid.

    Good point, but the word ‘whites’ needs to be qualified to the ruling classes in politics and business who consider themselves ‘of the world’ rather than ‘of the people’ – but that leads to other forms of argument which could go on interminably, so I shall desist.

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  230. @Tiny Duck
    I'm sorry but white dominated societies are the scourge of the earth. The only people who disagree with that statement are white males. That tells you something right there.

    You loses will fall in defeat

    The twitter suspensions that took place recently are only the beginning. We took Milo down. We took Bannon down. We are lighting up GOP town halls. We are calling out growing antisemitism

    You started this fight now we will finish it

    You guys have had your fun now prepare for justice

    Great! Shorter David Brooks.

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  231. @Mr. Blank
    He's back!

    The other sockpuppets just weren't as entertaining, Tiny.

    Tiny Duck is David Brooks! Or a more concise version… maybe one of his younger interns.

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  232. @Autochthon
    I work in the Santa Clara Valley. When software engineers are sought by my employer, any candidate with the slightest affiliation with so-called "IT" (network administration, developmental operations, etc.), no matter how amazing his credentials for the matter at hand may be – i.e., no matter how amazing otherwise he is as an actual software engineer) – is treated as tainted by the stink of death and utterly undesirable.

    I don’t get what you are saying. Please explain.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    To be sure (and this phenomenon is part of my annoyance with the idea) the distinction is largely arbitrary and semantic. By "IT" in this context they mean mostly infrastructure: database administration, networks, and servers. By "software engineering" they mean applications, full-stack development, and such. The former to include skills, platforms, and languages like Apache, SQL, HTML(5), and systems to support development (Git, Atlassian's stuff, etc.) The latter to include those such as Python, Django, Swift, C++, etc.

    The distinctions necessarily become hazy in many cases. One way to understand it is to think of the (legitimate) distinction between technicians and engineers – I was once an avionics technician, and Steve's dad was (if I am remembering correctly) an aeronautical engineer: I repaired and maintained the systems of aircraft, but Steve's dad designed the things! Likewise your local mechanic can rebuild your engine, but he didn't design it from whole cloth, and probably could not have.

    A highly skilled technician can begin to engineer things, though, often via reverse engineering things as he works on them, assembling and disassembling them to teach himself how they work (think of any gifted shadetree mechanic who begins to make his own, original modifications to his cars).

    Coming back to my point and applying the analogy, though: it is much easier for a bright "IT technician" to make of himself a "software engineer" than it is for, say, an airframer or an automobile mechanic to make of himself an aeronautical or mechanical engineer (in my experience, anyhow; I'm no engineer myself so I welcome corrections to my reasoning and understanding).


    Does this elaboration help?
  233. @Bastion
    I can't agree more with this. The same thing has happened in IT. IT used to have some status associated with it. But the vibe nowadays is more in the line of "that's work for coolies". I have advised all of my kids not to follow me into software work.

    Bastion said “The same thing has happened in IT. IT used to have some status associated with it. But the vibe nowadays is more in the line of “that’s work for coolies”. I have advised all of my kids not to follow me into software work.”

    Me too. I have made a decent living writing code but those days are gone. Thanks H1-Bs and the traitors who hire and make them possible; may you too be out-sourced someday! I told my kids they should get themselves a nice government job.

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  234. David Brooks now says the Republican Party is an “ETHNIC NATIONALIST PARTY.”

    I find it impossible to defend David Brooks against the charge that what he did and said during the period under examination amounted to anti-Whitism.

    David Brooks is anti-White.

    David Brooks pushes nation-wrecking mass immigration. Mass immigration is demographic warfare against the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

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    • Replies: @BB753
    What's wrong with Brooks' teeth? His dentist must be one of those dying, deplorable and ineffective goys, not a nice Jewish dentist.
    , @guest
    I *wish* Republicans would become an ethnic nationalist party. Not that I'm a nationalist. I think the U.S. should break up.

    But identity politics is the future, come hell or high water. Various white ethnicities will need a party, and it ain't gonna be the Democrats. Best they take over the other party sooner than later.

    That's not the case yet, unfortunately. Brooks is projecting the apparent future back into the present (if that makes sense). The Republican party is going civic nationalist, not ethnic nationalist. Actually, he means white nationalist, because there is no dominant ethnicity anymore. The Republican Party will never be WASP or German, or whatever. (Not even Jewish.)

    Even a bone fide anti-white like Brooks can't say "white nationalist," except as a boogeyman, and remain respectable. So he has to use the less accurate "ethnic nationalist."