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From the New York Times:

The East Germans of the 21st Century
David Brooks JAN. 29, 2018

Every few years I try to write a column staking out a reasonable middle ground on immigration. ….

The case for restricting immigration seems superficially plausible. …

Every few years I try to write this moderate column. And every few years I fail. That’s because when you wade into the evidence you find that the case for restricting immigration is pathetically weak.

… Get in your car. If you start in rural New England and drive down into Appalachia or across into the Upper Midwest you will be driving through county after county with few immigrants. These rural places are often 95 percent white. These places lack the diversity restrictionists say is straining the social fabric.

Are these counties marked by high social cohesion, economic dynamism, surging wages and healthy family values? No. Quite the opposite. They are often marked by economic stagnation, social isolation, family breakdown and high opioid addiction. Charles Murray wrote a whole book, “Coming Apart,” on the social breakdown among working-class whites, many of whom live in these low immigrant areas.

… Of course they react with defensive animosity to the immigrants who out-hustle and out-build them. You’d react negatively, too, if confronted with people who are better versions of what you wish you were yourself.

I respond, at length, in my new column at Taki’s Magazine.

David Brooks Demands New, Improved Americans 2.0
by Steve Sailer

January 31, 2018

… In contrast to the Brooks Theory that West Virginians deserve their hard times for their sin of not having lots of immigrants, the Sailer Theory is that there isn’t much money to be made these days living on a dirt road in West Virginia, so immigrants stay away.

My rationale also explains, while Brooks’ doesn’t, why the leading economic engine of Southern California, the entertainment industry, is so much whiter than the overall population. ….

Similarly, Silicon Valley in Northern California has remarkably few Hispanics in important roles. For example, here is a list of the twenty most important Hispanics in the technology business, none of whom I have ever heard of. I was initially impressed to find out that the president of MIT was born in Venezuela, but then it turns out that at home in Maracaibo his parents spoke Yiddish.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. Ya gotta love the way the Establishment Media believe their whip hand is so secure that they can come right out and express clear and direct contempt for ‘legacy’ Americans, especially white folks–and they think they’ll get away with it, over and over and over. Ya gotta hate that they’re right about that.

    “Look at those poor goyim, I mean ‘white people’–aren’t they disgusting? When will we ever be rid of them? Not soon enough, I can tell you that.”

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    Wow, Steve. 190 comments.
    , @Russ
    http://www.stltoday.com/business/advancingstl/open-arms-the-st-louis-mosaic-project-encourages-international-diversity/article_90f03df6-0137-11e8-ae42-33595e3cedbf.amp.html

    St. Louis likewise hasn't enough immigrants, according to one who-died-and-made-her-Queen Betsy Cohen. Note the similarities in argument to what Brooks offers. Note also that her home of Frontenac is one of the wealthiest St. Louis suburbs, whereas recent Syrian arrivals were plunked in west St. Louis city and Bosnians from the late 1990s were seeded in south St. Louis city and county -- well away from Frontenac. I'll wager that every major city in the U.S. has its own Betsy Cohen, too.
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  2. How many columns supporting (non-Jewish) immigration to Israel has Mr. Brooks written, if it’s such a good thing?

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  3. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Are these counties marked by high social cohesion, economic dynamism, surging wages and healthy family values? No. Quite the opposite. They are often marked by economic stagnation,

    Huh. I wonder if maybe that’s the reason immigrants don’t flock there?

    “Direction of causality” seems to be a bit too much for Brooks to grasp.

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  4. Brooks article is so Post hoc ergo propter hoc that it borders on Comedy:

    Capitalism more dynamic than Communism
    Capitalism benefits from more diversity of thought
    Diversity of people leads to more diversity thought
    ergo
    More diversity of people equals more or better Capitalism.

    There are a few major assumptions and a giant leap of faith going on there, and he backs it all up by taking a cheap shot at “climate deniers” as well as immigration patriots for having a dearth of data (they do not), versus the rock solid data he applies to the topic of immigration with his magic drive through America and the data the climate scientists have tortured and even fabricated to make their case and declare the subjects as settled.

    A twofer: Nice try, Mr. Brooks.

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  5. He really tries to be moderate on immigration, guyz. Gives it the old college try, he swears. He ran the experiments, waited for the results, and you’re just objectively wrong.

    Better luck a few years from now when Dr. Brooks tries again.

    FYI, comparing the U.S. with these people’s homelands or the U.S. now to the U.S. back when is not considered evidence.

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    By the way, neither are crime statistics evidence. Nor health statistics, hygiene differentials, a lost sense of community, lowered intelligence, inability to communicate with your fellow Americans, changes in the political system, increased corruption, ethnic concerns, aesthetic concerns, any of the mores we take for granted but they don't (religious toleration; the way we treat animals, women, children, etc.), general smell, or the very existence of the nation.

    In fact, the only things that count are who accepts the lowest wages, who will cancel out the votes of native whites, and who gives urbanites more diverse restaurants.

    Sorry again, those are the rules.

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  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    You’d react negatively, too, if confronted with people who are better versions of what you wish you were yourself.

    So they are determined to make this thing raw. They feel they have the power to push whites out permanently. And then rub salt in the wound.

    Hey previous cuck generations, thank you so much!

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  8. Okay, if we need new people, we need new elites too.

    I say let’s replace Jewish with Muslim elites.

    Elite 2.0 is so much better.

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    At least we'd get patriarchy back.
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  9. Mickey Kaus is taking a similar position:

    It’s a good argument, but it shouldn’t be the only you make. I would also ask pro-immigrationists this: Are you really sure that say, Houston or Miami is going to be a nicer place to live than say, Sioux County, Iowa 50 years from now? Really?

    (using diverse cities in red/purple states on purpose, but if they’re liberals you can also use Los Angeles)

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    Are you really sure that say, Houston or Miami is going to be a nicer place to live than say, Sioux County, Iowa 50 years from now?
     
    You might want to check with The Last Real Calvinist about that. Sioux County is the beneficiary of some vibrancy.
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  10. This is so disgusting. Those are all the most beautiful parts of the country with good people and strong cultures, sucked dry by the parasitical globalists.

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  11. @guest
    He really tries to be moderate on immigration, guyz. Gives it the old college try, he swears. He ran the experiments, waited for the results, and you're just objectively wrong.

    Better luck a few years from now when Dr. Brooks tries again.

    FYI, comparing the U.S. with these people's homelands or the U.S. now to the U.S. back when is not considered evidence.

    By the way, neither are crime statistics evidence. Nor health statistics, hygiene differentials, a lost sense of community, lowered intelligence, inability to communicate with your fellow Americans, changes in the political system, increased corruption, ethnic concerns, aesthetic concerns, any of the mores we take for granted but they don’t (religious toleration; the way we treat animals, women, children, etc.), general smell, or the very existence of the nation.

    In fact, the only things that count are who accepts the lowest wages, who will cancel out the votes of native whites, and who gives urbanites more diverse restaurants.

    Sorry again, those are the rules.

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  12. I drove through eastern North Carolina about 5 years ago on Route 17. I’d driven that route many times in the ’80s and ’90s. The communities were always mixed white majority but substantial black minority. But now there was a notable Hispanic presence. The Hispanic population of North Carolina has grown from an estimated 77k in 1990 to 518k by 2005 to 890k by 2015. About 45% foreign born. Brooks shouldn’t just focus on mountain regions. Although I doubt they like their vote and wages diluted any more up there either. But the mountains of NC, for example, always had few blacks. The blacks of eastern NC face a lot of comp from immigrants, as do the low income whites. In higher income areas like Charlotte or the Triangle you get more Asian Indian, Vietnamese etc. often higher income comp.

    And not everyone in Bernie Sanders’ Vermont is strung out on opiates. There are Sandernista urban refugees. And old school Vermonters don’t necessarily like them either. And I don’t think the local whites of Pa. are worried that Hispanics are gonna come and start some ultra efficient scrapple business to outcompete them. That’s not the point. Nice piece in Taki, Steve.

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  13. You’d react negatively, too, if confronted with people who are better versions of what you wish you were yourself.

    Tell it to Blacks and stop all government programs designed to help them.

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  14. Holy Moly, the blue ticks are starting to converge towards Bob Chipman levels of open class/ethnic hatred.

    Also, I can’t take these people seriously to suggest places with few economic opportunities are like that because they have fewer immigrants rather than the reverse. Do they think people migrate from places of high economic value to places of low economic value?

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  15. This is bad even for him. Makes you sick to your stomach reading that trash.

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  16. I’ve posted comments like this before, but it bears saying and re-saying: The hostility of American elite towards the American people is absolutely breathtaking. The Bourbons felt more kinship for French peasants, and the Romanovs more sympathy for Russian mouchiks, than the American elite feel for the descendants of the people who founded and built this country.

    The American people in the “flyover country” that Brooks so obviously despises are, perhaps at long last, beginning to awaken to the depth of the contempt that their elites have for them, and the elites’ desire to replace them with immigrants more to the elites’ liking. Trump was a start, but he won’t be an end. I see a Bad Moon Rising.

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    "I’ve posted comments like this before, but it bears saying and re-saying: The hostility of American elite towards the American people is absolutely breathtaking."

    You are completely overstating things here.

    "The Bourbons felt more kinship for French peasants, and the Romanovs more sympathy for Russian mouchiks, than the American elite feel for the descendants of the people who founded and built this country."

    What metrics are you using here?

    "The American people in the “flyover country” that Brooks so obviously despises are, perhaps at long last, beginning to awaken to the depth of the contempt that their elites have for them, and the elites’ desire to replace them with immigrants more to the elites’ liking.

    Indeed, some are awakening. But most Normies remain unconvinced.

    "Trump was a start, but he won’t be an end. I see a Bad Moon Rising."

    So are you prepping your kids for Doomsday?
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  17. What a garbage column by Brooks. He’s unable to see the obvious speciousness of his example.

    “Get in a car. Drive through a wealthy country built and maintained by the locals who happen to be 95% white, but I usually don’t point these things out for purposes of being a Goodthinker, ’cause then I’d have to point out that no similar drive can be done in POC-land. But drive on and criticize the locals for not meeting my expectations, and announce that immigrants will improve the place, never minding that immigrant communities have lower quality of life indices, but I am here to lie and dissemble about these things, so just read my crap and look at the ads. It’s how I roll.”

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  18. It is a true testament to the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of our elites that this kind of vapid trash is what they consider fit to print.

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  19. We need better goyim because the working class whites (“Nazis”) are starting to know and we to shut them down.

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  20. I responded to Rod Dreher’s posting of this, but he has banned me.

    Google social statistics by race: high school dropout rate, single parent rate, crime rate, whatever. Spend two minutes at it. You will, in two minutes, learn that Brooks is simply wrong in his assessment of ‘natives vs immigrants.’

    If only Brooks could spend two minutes of research before writing a column for the New York Times….

    joe

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  21. “Do not forget that these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it’s funny.” -Sam Hyde, 2016

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  22. There must be a dozen hay fields stuffed into this straw man.

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  23. The article is not posted at Taki’s as of 5:45am central time.

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  24. David Brooks NYT Q rating is through the roof. He knows exactly what the puking readers want to hear. Update– I just confirmed this by reading the comments. NYTimes readers agree with Brooks. I found one dissent out of thirty. Take a bow David, you know your echo chamber.

    It would be nice if we could exile the entire NY Times staff to some Red Guard style hog farms for a few years. Get them out in the stink and hoeing cabbages too.

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    NYTimes readers agree with Brooks. I found one dissent out of thirty.
     
    Yes, and it's a reason to worry. As little as five years ago, when the Times would publish an opinion piece like this, there'd be a lot more dissent, and even a fair number of comments like the ones here at iSteve.

    Open Borders madness is now sweeping all dissent away. It reminds me of the way gay marriage went from crazy fringe to majority consensus.

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  25. I saw this earlier when Rod Dreher posted something about it on his blog. Interestingly, a lot of his commenters — who aren’t exactly iSteve types — immediately noticed that Brooks’ column can be read as an unstated but implied attack on black Americans.

    A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens? I don’t mean behind closed doors — I mean stuff they were happy to say out loud in public. The closest examples I can think of are the open racism that was once directed at blacks — which doesn’t portend well for the future… :(

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    Every few years I try to write a column staking out a reasonable middle ground on immigration. ….
     
    My reaction to this comment was how gracious of Brooks to thrown us immigration restrictionists a bone every year with a "middle ground" column. I don't know if they just don't realize how condescing this sounds, or just don't care anymore, but I am leaning to don't care. The elites who have made a complete mess of the world are now opening starting to treat anyone who dares to disagree with them as a lesser form of life.

    Has the column not been posted at Taki's yet? I cannot find it there.
    , @Alfa158
    What’s changed: The American elites used to be American. Now they’re people who happen to live in America.
    , @Samuel Skinner

    A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens?
     

    “Though it cost the blood of millions of white men, let it come. Let justice be done.”
     
    -John Quincy Adams

    The closest examples I can think of are the open racism that was once directed at blacks
     
    Racism towards blacks was never this bad; people thought blacks were stupid, violent and immoral. They didn't think that blacks needed to be slaughtered to usher in a golden age. It is the difference between stereotyping (recognizing group differences and having a model of the averages) and eliminationism (we need to kill all of them).
    , @ic1000
    > A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens?

    My impression as a baby boomer and as a reader of popular histories is that current elite contempt-and-hatred would have been career-ending for any mainstream politician, Democrat or Republican, during the '70s, '80s, or '90s.
    , @Forbes

    Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens?
     
    Nope. It used to be making jokes or poking light-hearted (or not so light) fun at, say, rednecks. Now it's open contempt and disgust for flyover country and middle America.

    I live in NYC, and it's a regular feature I hear from people far from the "elite," as when "elites" say it, it gives everyone else permission to say it.
    , @ChrisZ

    Interestingly, a lot of his commenters — who aren’t exactly iSteve types — immediately noticed that Brooks’ column can be read as an unstated but implied attack on black Americans.
     
    Good point, Blank. When Brooks started comparing immigrants to native-born Americans, my iSteve training immediately led me to ask the question (unaddressed by Brooks, naturally): “What’s hidden in that general population term ‘native Americans’?”

    The answer, which John Derbyshire has shown in other contexts (notably America’s international ranking in student test scores) is that when you disaggregate the general set of natives into particular racial/ethnic groups, you see a very different picture. Brooks certainly knows this; he’s not a stupid writer, nor ignorant of the arguments advanced by Steve and Derb, among others.

    One rationale for his having written such an idiotic column is that Brooks is indeed making a coded (and therefore cowardly) disavowal of American blacks, the way Charles Murray’s recent book (which he pointedly sites) was a veiled critique of black social dysfunction (with its implication that if disorder is this bad among lower class whites, imagine how much worse it must be among blacks).

    On the other hand, that’s probably too generous an assessment of the column. The truth is, in the circle he now frequents, any realist subtext will go unnoticed, the PC pretext will be applauded, and it’s just another payday for Brooks. He can rest in the certainty that he’ll never, ever be asked to justify himself in public on these matters.
    , @anony-mouse
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beverly_Hillbillies

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gomer_Pyle,_U.S.M.C.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babbitt_(novel)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winesburg,_Ohio

    and as mentioned repeatedly here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton
    , @Olorin

    Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens?
     
    I'm not sure they "feel comfortable" so much as they feel entitled. Which may be a form of comfort, particularly when coupled with a salary paid by far richer people who supply that incentive. Why should David Brooks feel any concern whatever about expressing disdain for people who can't do anything for him? His own Smart Set has no use for them except as a butt of jokes and foil for political bickering.

    Is David Brooks "elite" (more on that in a moment), or just in consistent form as holder of the expensive megaphone?

    We use the term (or used to) "broadcast media." "Broadcast" was coined by midwestern radio guys, engineers at Land Grant campuses. It meant a signal sent out to a wide public rather than a narrower, private stream of information.

    Earle Terry (adviser to Cyril Jansky) and Edward Bennett (a student of Reginald Fessenden) at the UW-Madison physics department started today's WHA (as 9XM) prior to WWI. Other midwest campuses started broadcasting around that time, mostly weather reports intended to help farmers plan their fieldwork. Point being, the roots of radio in the US are very much heartland and rural.

    https://wcftr.commarts.wisc.edu/exhibits/radio-pioneers-madison/radio-experimentation-university-wisconsin

    https://wcftr.commarts.wisc.edu/exhibits/radio-pioneers-madison/radio-experimentation-university-wisconsin/cyril-jansky

    "Media" implies a sluice that exists merely to pass along ideas from one set of people to another--the latter larger, given "broadcasting" and its reach.

    But "media" quickly developed a sort of riffle splitter quality, separating out different kinds of ideas and directing them in a narrowcast manner to target audiences.

    This more mercantile definition was decades underway by the 1960s when marketing researchers and broadcasters invented and reified the "Baby Boomer" concept. "Broadcasting" as a bicoastal phenomenon was designed to create, sell to, and profit from the identification, lathing, and exploitation of audience segments and the invention of products to sell them.

    The chattering class we will have with us always, and it's not a good idea in any event to use the circumlocution "elite" when what we're referring to is something rather more concrete and identifiable. David Brooks is Jewish, and Jews always feel superior to everyone in their host countries.

    On that note, take a look at where the history of broadcasting falls in the current panoply of exhibits by UW-Madison's Center for Film and Theater Research:

    https://wcftr.commarts.wisc.edu/exhibits

    That's a lot of parentheses. But official stewards of memory are quickly moving to erase anything but the late 20th century (post Jewish immigration) history of everything. As late as the 1990s you could visit the original radio shack at UW-Madison and go see 9XM's spark gap transmitter tube (Vilas Hall iirc). There was a quietly monastic radio history underground who would pass these things along to those who expressed quietly monastic interest. I suppose by now the radio shack is serving as a tranny panic room and the tube smashed in the name of Black Lives Matter or something.

    , @Dr. X

    A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens?
     
    The problem is that so many of the (((elites))) do not regard Americans as "fellow citizens" when they have dual citizenship with Israel, and, in the case of Brooks, their sons are in the IDF instead of the U.S. Army.

    Brooks's contemptuous sneering at white Americans echoes that of his fellow M.O.T., William Kristol, who also advocated replacement of the white working class with brown immigrants.

    Jewish coastal elites write this kind of incendiary trash about Americans, and then they can't figure out why people are "anti-Semitic."
    , @Anonymous IV
    Intellectual elites have long had disdain for the common folk in what we now call flyover country. H L Mencken used to write about the "Booboisie" as he called them back in the 1920s and 30s. What happened is that the political elites have become at-one with the intellectuals. We don't have regular folk like Harry Truman becoming senators/VP/Pres. Everyone we are offered lately have Ivy League pedigrees.

    Speaking of Mencken and populist conservatism, here's a trip down memory lane from 1980 in which a Washington Post writer laments that Mencken's "booboisie" had then taken control of the GOP. Yep, it was Reagan he was talking about.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1980/07/27/menckens-booboisie-in-control-of-gop/e642d590-27bc-4561-ad58-4e0a6bff84a2/?utm_term=.716bc9ea7f5b

    This points to a weird split in the GOP or conservatism in general in the US. Is it the territory of the common folk against the elite? Or the realm of stuffy businessmen who claim they are interested in helping the rest of the country? (Mencken is seen as a kind of conservative by today's standards, but a snobby one.) Sometimes I think common people halfway trusted business owners to guard the country from extremism. I'm old enough to remember when corporate America was mistrustful of counterculture excess. But as the hippie culture went mainstream so to speak, there was too much money to be made pandering to radicalism, and now we are where we are with Silicon Valley and Madison Ave at war with the rest of the country. I guess what I'm saying is that the old "businessman" model of the GOP is where we got the moderate RINO types, but we can no longer trust them to put the brakes on SJW nonsense. Their donors are totally OK with the population replacement going on, and seem be more interested in propagandizing for its inevitability.
    , @guest
    It can be read as an implied attack on black people, but I don't think it is. Brooks has white people in mind.

    Blacks are constantly on people's minds, because they have the highest racial profile in our culture. Plus, they're on the front lines in local civilizational collapse. They are our most dysfunctional group, and they'll be destroyed by the invading hordes first.

    However, this is a column about the entire native population being crap, not just its crappiest fraction. The Brookes of the world actually might have sympathy for black failure, but they don't whatsoever for white failure. That's why this article is compassionless: it's about white people.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    For years, I've been reading occasional brainstorms by open borders libertarians about how great Detroit could be with an infusion of immigrants. Of course, immigrants will gravitate to more prosperous cities.
    , @David
    The open contempt expressed about Southerners before the Civil War is a lot like what's said today about the pre-'65 American population.
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  26. I see the latest by Joe Bob Briggs but not yours…the link needs to be fixed.

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  27. For anyone who’s lived in Miami and observed the (highly, chaotic, fragmented and willfully retarded) culture in the region, one thing that stands out is the multigenerational family unit, a phenomenon which hardly exists in white Anglo-America (it is perhaps somewhat more common among Italian-Americans). Anglos in general are far more averse to/snobbish toward living at home for long after age 18 than are Latinos (female Anglo arrivals in Miami are often initially turned off by the many Latino suiters who live with Mamacita at least until they realize this is part of the culture).

    The trade deficit and the transition to the FIRE economy has hollowed out the financial prospects for the more remote areas. Most new activity is concentrated in coastal and urban areas where land is scarce by the definition, and so a population less averse to crowded and insalubrious living conditions will naturally be more amenable to docilely accepting the pitiful wages the new robber-barrons (many of them Brooks’s co-ethnics/religionists, naturally) propose in those areas.

    The white population of America is rightly furious at being forced to accept major down-scaling and replacement as the price to pay for the fat cats to stay fat as the fundamentals of the U.S. economy have vanished in little over a generation. And despite what the David Brookses of the world say, the Brazilification of American demographics will be inevitably and very quickly followed up by Brazilian living standards, suburban blight, crime rates and social disfunction.

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  28. Post the article here, since your link doesn’t link to your article.

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  29. Illana or the Saker wrote an article specific to the concept of a better American 2.0. Immigrant Over Class and we’re importing it for 30 years now. This class works for half price, completes their education here at the expense of the home country and never goes back home. The class has low living expectations because after all, look where they came from. And so salaries are halved yet again. Over Class my ass. It’s imported poverty.

    We can bitch about the layabouts, but when the jobs moved out, where were those millions to go in the car industry? The parts manufacturers? Millions of people deserted. The mills here in New England, moved off to the South decades back and then overseas. Workers, deserted.

    Well, I suppose the horseshoe manufacturers were screwed when cars came out. Just wait until we don’t need drivers anymore.

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  30. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The simple and obvious explanation is this:

    These rural backwaters that David Brooks so castigates contain little in the way of employment opportunities since the agrarian labor market in those particular necks-of-the-woods is fully saturated and offers very little in the way of potential growth. Basically, these places are already at carrying capacity.
    Third world immediately grants invariably head for the big cities. Here, subsidised housing, welfare and crucially the protection of their own folk are readily available.
    Likely any honest appraisal of social dysfunction will find that third world immigrant populations esconced in inner city USA outrank whites in ‘flyover’ country.

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  31. Thing is, he’s not wrong. I’m from one of the locales he’s mentioned and it is, broadly, as he says it is.
    But the thing HE doesn’t understand is that there’s a ton on stuff worse than white rural dysfunction. It gets way, way worse. Unfashionably worse. The next state over has decided to “cure” some of its malaise by importing Somalis. And whatever you can think to say of white rural dysfunction, it’s leaps above Somali disfunction.
    It’s like in blackjack if you hold a 14. Not a very strong hand, sure. But in trying to advance you can also bust. Curing rural America’s social problems with whatever-comes-off-the-plane-next isn’t too much different that’b hoping the card in the dealer’s shoe doesn’t bust your hand

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    I’m from one of the locales he’s mentioned and it is, broadly, as he says it is.
     
    I'm from one of those locals, and I find it plenty okay. I've been around the Brooks's of the world; he's plenty lacking, and one sign is that he is compelled to write such columns as this. He needs it as therapy to justify putting up with his problems.

    This is another side of the immigration coin, where Brooks et al wax on about how Syria, Mexico, and Somalia are utter shitholes and we need to rescue them from a dreary life, while pretty much every immigrant I've interacted with assures me that the home country is a fine place, and they are in America to expand the brand.

    Now Brooks is telling us middle America is a shithole, but instead of moving them to someplace "nice", he wants to exterminate them. He should shut up and leave us alone.
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  32. Would David Brooks’ son enlist in the army of America 2.0, rather than the IDF, which was his military of choice?

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  33. The fifth column.
    I hear that there are prosecutors capable of indicting a ham sandwich of, say, DUI. Can one be found to throw this NYT hack in jail, and then deport him and his whole family to Israel where he’ll be able to argue for more (African) immigrants? They need help: some like 40,000 of them poor souls are being kicked out from Israel right now.
    Only a psychopath who doesn’t have to be charming any longer can write a column like the one quoted above, “staking out a reasonable middle ground on immigration. ….”

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  34. Jeez! I scanned Brooks’s article twice. Does anyone know what he’s trying to say? Is it as gross and misleading as, say, that a Pakistani-born medical doctor has an American income that whoops the crap out of the income of factory worker Jimbob and store clerk Katelyn?

    Maybe Brooks is saying something important here and I’m just missing it. But, my takeaway right now is he’s simply shilling for our pro-unrestricted immigration corporate masters. Mr. Blank above, too, is right when he says our political elites’ contempt for the American public is just plain out there.

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  35. Perhaps the elites have always had contempt for those lower down the ladder, but not until the last 30 years has it explicitly been their goal to replace them with other people.

    Although my politics are very different than Obama’s, the thing that set me off the most about him was his repeated promises to fundamentally change America, since it comes with the implication that the existing people are not good enough and need to be taken down a few pegs. Bill Clinton had his faults and certainly lusted after money and elevation to the economic elite, but I never felt he actually disliked the nation he was leading.

    Trump – for me – has a lot of flaws, but the fact that he defends the people who already live here as decent counts for a lot.

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    Trump's willingness to defend the United States as an inheritance and an asset that needs good management to maintain its value for future generations derives from both sides of his ancestry - his German-American father and his Scottish immigrant mother. The Germans and the Scots both have a long tradition of valuing the United States as a second home and a refuge from the Old World. America's Old Stock white people, especially east of the Mississippi, feel similarly about this country, and they recognized a kindred spirit in Trump.

    By contrast, many of the rootless newcomers to this country treat it as a throwaway and a source of loot. Their lack of proprietary feeling towards the United States drives their politics.
    , @Art Deco
    Perhaps the elites have always had contempt for those lower down the ladder, but not until the last 30 years has it explicitly been their goal to replace them with other people.

    No. The whole point of an organization like the DAR was to celebrate and promote the foundational population.


    You hear tales about the behavior of corporate management ca. 1930 that are sometimes stupefying.


    I think among my great-grandparents' generation, the phrase 'the best people' was still current. If what I observed among my parents contemporaries was representative, status had a great deal to do with manners, good conduct, and pedigree. Now its derived from formal schooling and certain taste-markers.
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  36. 8:25 AM ET no column at Taki’s. Hope it’s just a glitch.

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  37. As soon as you wake up, Steve, you should contact Takimag and make sure they have your column. Your link looks OK, as far as it goes (has the 13 character code and # for single-page). However, this article is not on their site at all yet, so the link above goes to the Takimag home page.

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    OK, they have the article up, but your link doesn't go directly to it. It's #1 though, in order.

    You could delete this and comment # 3, once you've got it right.


    Maybe it'd help if you kept some semblance of a normal work schedule ;-}

    Probably Taki is on NY time or maybe Greek time, but I don't know about his Greeks Geeks who run the web site.

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  38. I believe Brooks has alluded to the unwillingness of deplorables to move from their depressed areas to more (economically) vibrant ones as a way to improve their lives. The flood of skilled and unskilled immigrants, legal and illegal, in those areas have made them unattractive on a number of levels. Beyond driving down wages and driving up housing costs, the immigrants weigh negatively on community cohesion levels, as Putnam has written.

    The days of Okies moving to California and integrating into life there are over, unfortunately. It’s probably not coincidental that high geographic mobility coincided with periods of low immigration.

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    How much does ex-factory workers' unwillingness to relocate have to do with the fact that in a lot of families the spouse may well have a job that she's hesitant to leave for an uncertain future in a more expensive locale? Relocating is easy when you're only talking about one job.
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  39. East Germany has never loomed all that large in the American conscience. It’s a very odd choice particularly as Merkel was from East Germany and look at what she has done.

    I doubt many born after the Cold War even really understand it.

    The Tampax sponsored anti-state of the union was quite funny as well. Those shrieking harpies will really cause people to not vote for Trump again

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    I was young in the late Cold War, and my recollection of East Germany comes mostly from the Olympics. Their national anthem always had a perverse appeal to me. I knew even as a child that their "female" athletes seemed odd, but I felt that I should respect their victories even if I knew they were the "enemy".
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  40. So when you import an immigrant overclass, you’re meant to be grateful not resentful, and when you import an immigrant underclass, you’re not meant to notice. OK, memo received.

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  41. As of 5:43 am PST the article is not posted.

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  42. OT: There’s a Cantonese version of Birthright Israel, offering paid tours of the old country to Chinese-Americans and it’s been going for 30 years now. Birthright Israel has only been going since 1999 (Was there a precursor?) so did they get the idea from this ‘Friends of Roots’ (Amusingly there is a Friends of Roots organisation in Israel that preaches understanding and reconciliation between Palestinians and Jews)

    http://www.friendsofroots.org/

    http://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/families/article/2130022/chinese-americans-tours-guangdong-seek-out-their-roots-and-their

    For nearly 30 years a non-profit has been helping Chinese Americans discover their family history in southern China – visits that can stir up strong emotions, reinforce participants’ Chinese identity and lift a veil on forebears’ sacrifices

    It sounds exactly like Birthright Israel. Wikipedia says the germ of the idea for Birthright Israel started in 1994 before starting in 1999 and Friends of Roots was established in 1991. Did the two influence each other or did Birthright Israel copy the idea?

    Founded in 1991 by Cheng and the late Chinese-American historian Him Mark Lai, the non-profit guides young people from 18 to 30 years old through three months of seminars before taking them on a two-week-long trip in July to Guangdong to visit their parents’ ancestral villages (most migrants to the United States in the 19th century were from this southern Chinese province adjoining Hong Kong).

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    Japanese Americans had an informal version of the kids spending a year or 2 in Japan as early as the 1890s.
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  43. Statistician Gelman trashes Brooks again:

    Consider the following range of responses to an outsider pointing out an error in your published work: …
    4. Avoid looking into the question, ignore the possible error, act as if it had never happened, and keep making the same mistake over and over. …
    David Brooks is a pretty solid 4 on that scale, which isn’t great but in retrospect is like a breath of fresh air, given the 6’s and 7’s we’ve been encountering lately.

    http://andrewgelman.com/2018/01/30/education-maternity-leave-breastfeeding/

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  44. Kevin MacDonald’s theories and formulations about the Jews as a hostile ruling class in the United States seem to be more accurate as the years go by. David Brooks is a prime example of a Jew who is allowed to pontificate about the United States on various propaganda platforms when it is clear that Neo-Conservative Jew David Brooks has nothing but scorn and contempt for the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    The WASP / Jew ruling class of the United States must be dislodged from power. The WASP / Jew ruling class is actively and openly hostile to the historic American nation and the White Core Americans who are the heart of that nation. The globalization and mass immigration pushed by the WASP / Jew ruling class is an evil attempt to destroy cultural cohesion and national sovereignty in the United States.

    Kevin MacDonald Tweet from 2016:

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  45. Why hate on East Germans? Wait, I get it! It’s not because of communism, it’s them being German which rubs Brooks the wrong way.

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  46. Embracing diversity is a hard sell in some parts of the U. S. The principal populations in some places look askance at “the other”, maybe from lack of familiarity, long-held prejudices or a threat of change to the secure ( but not dynamic) social order.

    The problem of self-segregation nevertheless exists in large urban centers, too. We see and work with all ethnic groups, but do not befriend each other.

    African-American friends, financially well-off, with beautiful houses and traditional family ties, are not likely to invite a white friend to dinner. Working together is fine, but socializing generally is not done. My Black friends still live in fear that their children will be brutally treated by police while “driving while black”. Their fears are founded in the reality of white brutality.

    In LA, Mexicans and South Americans speak Spanish with each other. It’s a way to keep the racist whites out. Learning Spanish is a plus.

    SoCal Asian communities also speak their own language to each other. This is again, a block to white racism.

    whites have harmed other ethnicities over time. These ethnicities self-protect. We must build their trust in us again, not just by law but by individual actions and the voluntary of relinquishment of white privilege.

    Invite people over for dinner who are not in your ethnic group. Learn about their lives. Become real friends, not just colleagues.

    It’s the only way to tumble the walls of racism and xenophobia.

    P.S. The country is against you guys https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/958568711228706817

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  47. @Mr. Blank
    I saw this earlier when Rod Dreher posted something about it on his blog. Interestingly, a lot of his commenters — who aren’t exactly iSteve types — immediately noticed that Brooks’ column can be read as an unstated but implied attack on black Americans.

    A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens? I don’t mean behind closed doors — I mean stuff they were happy to say out loud in public. The closest examples I can think of are the open racism that was once directed at blacks — which doesn’t portend well for the future... :(

    Every few years I try to write a column staking out a reasonable middle ground on immigration. ….

    My reaction to this comment was how gracious of Brooks to thrown us immigration restrictionists a bone every year with a “middle ground” column. I don’t know if they just don’t realize how condescing this sounds, or just don’t care anymore, but I am leaning to don’t care. The elites who have made a complete mess of the world are now opening starting to treat anyone who dares to disagree with them as a lesser form of life.

    Has the column not been posted at Taki’s yet? I cannot find it there.

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    I don’t know if they just don’t realize how condescing this sounds, or just don’t care anymore, but I am leaning to don’t care.
     
    You can identify the prog-left by their complete lack of self-awareness.
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  48. Another salutary effect of electing President Trump is that the masks have come off the White Genocide Party. Even normies will start to notice if they keep up their eliminationist rhetoric.

    For a minute I was going to start picking apart the incredibly stupid comments Brooks was making, but then I just figured what’s the point.

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  49. David Brooks is a Neo-Conservative Jew lunatic who hates us. The corporate propaganda apparatus is filled up to the rafters with Neo-Conservative Jews who hate us.

    AMERICA FIRST!

    AMERICANS FIRST!

    TRUMP HAS TO GET BACK TO BASE:

    DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS NOW!

    IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM NOW!

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    Hey now, hey now, let us not impugn the patriotism of David Brooks. David is a true, blue American born in the U.--oh, wait...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brooks_(cultural_commentator)#Early_life_and_education

    Okay, never mind that. But I'm sure he still wants what is best for his adopted country. After all, he now lives in America and he raised his son here to revere his homeland, even to the point that his son now puts his life on the line for it, and, and ....

    http://jewishjournal.com/articles/item/david_brooks_son_is_in_the_israeli_army_does_it_matter

    Okay, never mind that either.

    -----

    Actually Brooks is parasitical vermin who should be on the next boat to Somalia where he can get all the vibrant diversity he loves, good and hard.

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  50. Brooks knows all about being faithful. Just ask his ex-wife! Or his 20 years younger new wife!

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  51. Steve,

    Maybe it’s the proverbial snake that should have bitten me, but dammed if I can spot your response at Taki’s.

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  52. Lunatic fringe…In the twilight’s last gleaming.

    The media is filled with lunatics who hate us.

    David Brooks is a Neo-Conservative Jew lunatic.

    The GLEAMING reference has some connection to a certain blog, don’t know what it is.

    President Trump:

    “We will build gleaming new roads, bridges, highways, railways, and waterways across our land. And we will do it with American heart, and American hands, and American grit.”

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  53. “I respond, at length, in my new column at Taki’s Magazine.”

    I’ve been checking the site since early this morning, and the article hasn’t posted. A new article did finally show up, but it’s not yours.

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  54. Yeah David, you will see what you are looking for. What do they call it ? Confirmation bias?
    If we used the same observation methods and biases that Brooks does and apply it to his tribe, what would we come up with?

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  55. alright, now everyone can agree it’s weird that Brooks has done so many “I KNOW PEOPLE ARE SAYING BUT” articles where the people is mainly Steve, who is not mentioned by name.

    There have to be some confused older readers who just see the print edition.

    “What is David Brooks talking about? People are incensed that the media doesn’t recognize the importance of presenting the anti-immigration Stephen Miller view? I thought we were just incensed that Stephen Miller was a self-hating Nazi?”

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  56. Taki does not have your article.

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  57. @Mr. Blank
    I saw this earlier when Rod Dreher posted something about it on his blog. Interestingly, a lot of his commenters — who aren’t exactly iSteve types — immediately noticed that Brooks’ column can be read as an unstated but implied attack on black Americans.

    A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens? I don’t mean behind closed doors — I mean stuff they were happy to say out loud in public. The closest examples I can think of are the open racism that was once directed at blacks — which doesn’t portend well for the future... :(

    What’s changed: The American elites used to be American. Now they’re people who happen to live in America.

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    What’s changed: The American elites used to be American. Now they’re people who happen to live in America.
     
    Americans and American Elites wouldn't have trusted a member of Brooks's tribe to become a full privileges member of the American Elite with the power to shape the national conversation.

    But that would be Antisemitism in today's parlance, which means that you have to permit the Brooks of the world to get on with their (((Semitism))) without comment or question.
    , @Ed
    To that point, this was picked up on the declining fortunes and civic prowess of the LA Times:
    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/us/los-angeles-times.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fus&action=click&contentCollection=us&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront&referer=https://www.nytimes.com/section/us

    The region has become increasingly economically and ethnically diverse, a challenge for any political or civic leader looking to unify a community. And this is a relatively young city, filled with recent arrivals who do not have the history of the kind of old-line families who have defined civic foundations in established cities like Boston and Philadelphia.
     
    , @Bugg
    So elite they send their sons to join the armed forces of other countries.
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  58. Has your Taki column been posted?

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  59. I used to live in an all-white area (Northern New England) and it seemed pretty nice to me in terms of social cohesion. For example, you never had to lock your door.

    In terms of economic dynamism, it’s true things were a bit sleepy, but I think he is reversing cause and effect. Economic success results in an upper class, which then imports a lower class to provide cheap labor which then causes social problems.

    I’m not sure what to say about opiates, since it was not a problem when I lived there. I would guess part of the problem is that the people who are smart and have their shit together tend to leave the rural areas to work in and around the big cities; the people left are more prone to drug abuse.

    Anyway, the link you provided doesn’t seem to work.

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    I would guess part of the problem is that the people who are smart and have their shit together tend to leave the rural areas to work in and around the big cities; the people left are more prone to drug abuse.
     
    I think you are correct. Steve has blogged about the Homer Hickams of flyover country leaving to become engineers somewhere else. If this internal brain drain leaves our rural areas devastated, just what do you think is happening to third world nations from which we take their top talent?

    Also, I have heard people make the argument that desegregation decimated the black community by taking away their top talent and leaving behind the underclass.

    , @Jake
    You are naive. Read this - https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/01/drug-companies-submerged-wv-in-opioids-one-town-of-3000-got-21-million-pills/

    Big Pharma began dumping very easily addictive opioid pain killers on rural and small town Middle America some time ago. The result was huge numbers of people addicted to legal dope because of doctors over=prescribing. Those new addicts by physician and Big Pharma eventually turn to the streets to keep feeding the addiction.
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  60. Which column specifically, Steve? That Takismag link goes to, just, Takismag.

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  61. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It’s fairly easy to dump on the Appalachians and Brooks is safe from them retaliating against him by demanding he be fired. If a war comes along that he supports he’d have no problem in letting their children die in it even as he looks down his nose at them. Gotta hate somebody one supposes and Appalachians don’t have much of a lobby. There’ll be no picketing outside of Brooks’ office.

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    "If a war comes along that he supports he’d have no problem in letting their children die in it even as he looks down his nose at them."

    Very correct. And of course from Brooks' point of view, better the dumb goyim than his son serving in the israeli army.
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  62. Of course they react with defensive animosity to the immigrants who out-hustle and out-build them.

    They always conveniently omit the existence of the X billion street-poopers behind these alleged super-immigrants.

    I prefer our various underclasses to theirs, that’s for sure.

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  63. “Out-hustle.” Serious Journalism, everyone.

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  64. “If you start in rural New England and drive down into Appalachia or across into the Upper Midwest you will be driving through county after county with few immigrants…”

    He doesn’t get out much, does he? Where does he think Obama hid the immigrants for eight years? Out in the sticks, that’s where. In places like Ashboro, NC…

    http://www.illegalaliencrimereport.com/murder/pair-of-dreamers-murdered-man-in-north-carolina/

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    I'm realizing more and more that almost by definition, the deep state types never actually visit the sticks, so they have no clue that they've already transformed them beyond recognition.
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  65. Every few years I try to write a column staking out a reasonable middle ground on immigration. ….

    ………..the quite reasonable middle-ground position that…………..all you motherf**kers need to be replaced!

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  66. If flyover Americans are the East Germans of 21st century America, then perhaps it is due to the fact that the urban elites, like David Brooks, are the Soviet occupiers of 21st century America.

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    If flyover Americans are the East Germans of 21st century America, then perhaps it is due to the fact that the urban elites, like David Brooks, are the Soviet occupiers of 21st century America.
     
    Though it wasn't East Germany, recall the Soviet occupiers brought in demographic ringers to try to water down the Baltic States. Much like what our elites are trying to do to us.
    , @Almost Missouri
    That's a good, short riposte.

    Especially since Brooks was born Canadian and raised his son to serve Israel.
    , @Flip
    The people who write for the NY Times and others like them would not hesitate to institute a holodomor against Americans if they had the power to do so. Leftism is compulsion and it is backed up by state agents with guns.
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  67. The elites created a situation in which working class whites become downtrodden, and then instead of doing something to fix the problem, they proclaim “see how downtrodden these working class whites are? they need to be replaced!”

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    Nice and concise. You expressed what I tried to in a much better and more direct way.
    , @Anonymous

    The elites created a situation in which working class whites become downtrodden, and then instead of doing something to fix the problem, they proclaim “see how downtrodden these working class whites are? they need to be replaced!”
     
    I sometimes wonder if they also did it so they can say, “See! Whites are no different from blacks. They’re exactly the same,” with the intention of demoralizing whites and shaking their confidence in themselves and in their world view.
    , @El Dato

    Sometimes I drive down the middle thoroughfare of the concentration camp in my Mercedes. Are the huts I pass marked by high social cohesion, economic dynamism, surging wages and healthy family values? No. Quite the opposite. They are often marked by economic stagnation, social isolation, family breakdown and high opioid addiction.

     

    , @JerseyJeffersonian
    Well, yes indeedy. If Brooks just thought about the activities of the members of The Tribe just a few blocks from where the NYT is located, he might find some answers to how this hollowing out of the manufacturing sector that employed a large number of these now downwardly-mobile whites (and not a few blacks as well) worked. Back in the 80s, there was a craze among the parasitical class for leveraged buyouts that often eventuated in the machinery in long-established and still profitable heartland factories being crated up and shipped to China. The trend was documented in the 1991 expansion of a series originally run in The Philadelphia Inquirer (then a McClatchy paper and not the cobbled-together coalition of the fringes crapfest that it has now become) into a book by Steele and Barlett entitled America: What Went Wrong. Later these practices were continued by private equity in other ways (I'm looking at you, too, Mitt Romney, member of another Chosen Tribe), but with similar results. B & S have continued to write on these topics, and their latest effort is The Betrayal of the American Dream.

    http://americawhatwentwrong.org/story/taxes-trade-public-policy/

    Brooks, being an incurious ass (or perhaps merely serving Tribal Interests?) does not factor in any of this well-researched, and readily-available information. But then, he is a New York Jew, and anything further than a hundred mile radius or so from The City is of interest only insofar as it may be exploited for wealth or for military personnel to serve the interests of The Chosen People.

    Harsh? I think not.
    , @gregor
    Bad outcomes for whites: Irreparably deficient rednecks.

    Bad outcomes for blacks: Not getting enough of white people’s tax dollars.
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  68. @Arclight
    Perhaps the elites have always had contempt for those lower down the ladder, but not until the last 30 years has it explicitly been their goal to replace them with other people.

    Although my politics are very different than Obama's, the thing that set me off the most about him was his repeated promises to fundamentally change America, since it comes with the implication that the existing people are not good enough and need to be taken down a few pegs. Bill Clinton had his faults and certainly lusted after money and elevation to the economic elite, but I never felt he actually disliked the nation he was leading.

    Trump - for me - has a lot of flaws, but the fact that he defends the people who already live here as decent counts for a lot.

    Trump’s willingness to defend the United States as an inheritance and an asset that needs good management to maintain its value for future generations derives from both sides of his ancestry – his German-American father and his Scottish immigrant mother. The Germans and the Scots both have a long tradition of valuing the United States as a second home and a refuge from the Old World. America’s Old Stock white people, especially east of the Mississippi, feel similarly about this country, and they recognized a kindred spirit in Trump.

    By contrast, many of the rootless newcomers to this country treat it as a throwaway and a source of loot. Their lack of proprietary feeling towards the United States drives their politics.

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    By contrast, many of the rootless newcomers to this country treat it as a throwaway and a source of loot. Their lack of proprietary feeling towards the United States drives their politics.

    My family has been in the U.S. for a very long time, and the idea of the U.S. as a source of loot is completely foreign to me.

    , @ben tillman

    By contrast, many of the rootless newcomers to this country treat it as a throwaway and a source of loot.
     
    It's a bust-out.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/memories-misty-water-color-memories/

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/us-needs-better-foreign-policy-team/
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  69. The link isn’t working and I can’t find the article on Taki’s site.

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    I found it by clicking to a previous Steve article, then clicking on his byline, just below the article title, to take me to the author page with links to all of Steve's articles. A link to the newest one was there.
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  70. So reviving Appalachia will just require putting a lot of Somalis there? Mmm-kay

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    Personal income per capita in West Virginia is closer to the national mean than it has been at any time since systemic data collection on income and production began in the 1920s. (It's currently about 79% of national means; much of the deficit is attributable to the fact that it's a very rural state). It also has an abnormally large rural lumpenproletariat who produce very little output. Those people aren't making Brooks world worse, they're not prevalent at all outside West Virginia and some adjacent zones, and they're not going to magically disappear just because you allow Mexicans to walk across the border whenever they care to.
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  71. Since David Brooks is always right, about everything, I suggest that all immigrants be directed to live in Appalachia or the Mid-West. That will automatically lift those areas out of their current depression and make them healthy, wealthy and wise.

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  72. @Mr. Blank
    I saw this earlier when Rod Dreher posted something about it on his blog. Interestingly, a lot of his commenters — who aren’t exactly iSteve types — immediately noticed that Brooks’ column can be read as an unstated but implied attack on black Americans.

    A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens? I don’t mean behind closed doors — I mean stuff they were happy to say out loud in public. The closest examples I can think of are the open racism that was once directed at blacks — which doesn’t portend well for the future... :(

    A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens?

    “Though it cost the blood of millions of white men, let it come. Let justice be done.”

    -John Quincy Adams

    The closest examples I can think of are the open racism that was once directed at blacks

    Racism towards blacks was never this bad; people thought blacks were stupid, violent and immoral. They didn’t think that blacks needed to be slaughtered to usher in a golden age. It is the difference between stereotyping (recognizing group differences and having a model of the averages) and eliminationism (we need to kill all of them).

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    if they [immigrants] cannot accommodate themselves to the character, moral, political, and physical, of this country, with all its compensating balances of good and evil, the Atlantic is always open to them, to return to the land of their nativity and their fathers.
     
    John Quincy Adams
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  73. That has been the quintessential Jewish assumption from the beginning – that White Protestant Americans are all stupid and lazy and deserve to be wiped off the face of the earth. As a man smart enough to earn perfect scores in my GRE’s, and hard-working enough to wake up at 5:00 AM every morning to go to work, and not come home to dinner until 7:30 PM, I very much beg to differ, my evil blue eyes, my satanic fair skin, and my psychopathic straight Anglo-Saxon nose notwithstanding.

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    You're one of the good ones. A credit to your race
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Angry, the sad thing is that an ass wipe like Brooks makes you, well, angry. You should take joy in your life knowing that you are on the right path, and people like Brooks want you to stumble and fall.
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  74. The states with the highest employment-to-population ratios are as follows:

    North Dakota………….
    Nebraska……………..
    Iowa…………………
    South Dakota………….
    Minnesota…………….
    New Hampshire…………
    Utah…………………
    District of Columbia…..
    Wisconsin…………….
    Kansas……………….
    Wyoming………………
    Vermont………………

    Among this set, only DC has a foreign-born contingent which exceeds the national mean. Neither are coastal states leaving interior states in the dust. Exurban, small town, and rural areas have less complex occupational strata and lack high-income occupations and are thus less affluent. You don’t find BigLaw partners in Canton, Ohio. That having been said, were these areas actually ‘stagnating’, the income ratio between metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties and between highly urbanized and lightly urbanized states would be growing larger. It isn’t.

    Kevin Williamson tried to make a similar point by offering a precis of the economic and social life of a single county in Kentucky with 5,000 people in it. The problem is a mixture of dishonesty and innumeracy.

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    The problem is a mixture of dishonesty and innumeracy.

    But David Brooks obviously has a high IQ, or he wouldn't be so successful in the media. And since he clearly doesn't consider white people to be his enemy, why would he be so dishonest in attempting to do things to harm them? Kevin Williamson is a weird-looking homosexual, who simply hates the rednecks who he thinks bullied him growing up. But that doesn't explain David Brooks.

    So what causes David Brooks to be so malevolent? Do you have any ideas, Art Deco?
    , @Beckow

    The problem is a mixture of dishonesty and innumeracy
     
    True, and it is almost impossible with people like Brooks to separate the two. I once discussed global population and migration with a professor who was verbally quite gifted ('Macron of academia'). He was obsessively fanatical about his agenda of open borders but couldn't grasp the difference between a million and a billion. He just couldn't, numbers meant nothing to him. Numbers and statistics were just like other words to only be manipulated at will. The numbers had no deeper meaning for him - his brain was unable to see the world in quantitative terms.

    Are they dishonest or stupid? I think they themselves often couldn't tell us.

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  75. . These rural places are often 95 percent white. These places lack the diversity restrictionists say is straining the social fabric.

    Are these counties marked by high social cohesion, economic dynamism, surging wages and healthy family values? No. Quite the opposite. They are often marked by economic stagnation, social isolation, family breakdown and high opioid addiction. Charles Murray wrote a whole book, “Coming Apart,” on the social breakdown among working-class whites, many of whom live in these low immigrant areas.

    He conveniently leaves out the effects of our policies on these communities. It’s true many of those counties are still 90 percent white, but they’ve been gutted by trade agreements that allow companies to shut down production here and ship it overseas with no penalty. Money that has been wasted on needless foreign interventions, and even aid to rich nations, instead of used here to build up infrastructure doesn’t help either. We all know that our economic policies of the past 3 decades have also led to the transfer of wealth from middle America to Wall Street.

    Additionally turning a blind eye to drugs spilling across the border or to the seeming policy of have physicians prescribe meds to mollify those unfortunate enough to be left behind is downright criminal.

    This level of lobbying for immigration has now reached the point where anyone willing to see can now realize that immigration is being used for ulterior motives. I mean even if we stopped all immigration today, we have still had the largest immigration wave over these last 50 years in human history. For those who follow American history they know that we’ve have always had periods of low immigration following our big waves. Well this is the biggest wave in history and not only are they not wanting to back away from the table to digest, they are wanting to continue the feast.

    If immigration does inject life into us as they say, then why must it be a constant massive infusion? When you go to the hospital for treatment, they give you a dosage and have you come back later if necessary. You are not forever connected to a machine, unless you are terminal. Is the USA terminal?

    And given that people are long-lived, it’s not like we need continual mass immigration. The majority of people who immigrated here 40 years ago are still alive. Almost 100 percent of those who immigrated here 10 years ago are still alive. So given our massive injection of immigrants, why do we need to take more each year? Our current batch should last us for many, many years. It’s not like they die out each year and need to be replaced.

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  76. I thought Maine was down to about 90% because of the Feds planting people there.

    NH is not very white anymore either. Back in the ’80s or ’90s, you would be hard pressed to casually find a nonwhite in its major cities. Now I have literally seen nonwhites pushing prams in tiny towns, deep into the state. Towns that had their heyday back in the 1890s. Boston aside, I think NH is less white than MA was 30 years ago.

    What is obvious to me is that Brooks has not been to these states recently, and perhaps he never went to them at all.

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    That is why he talked about driving through county after county, he knows these states are not 95% white anymore, but you could find a way to drive through them in 95% white counties. That doesn't really mean anything for the overall economy of the states, but doesn't fit Brooks's argument so he ignores it. He knows the State Department has been dumping refugees in these states, but thinks they should like it.
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  77. @Rosamond Vincy
    So reviving Appalachia will just require putting a lot of Somalis there? Mmm-kay

    Personal income per capita in West Virginia is closer to the national mean than it has been at any time since systemic data collection on income and production began in the 1920s. (It’s currently about 79% of national means; much of the deficit is attributable to the fact that it’s a very rural state). It also has an abnormally large rural lumpenproletariat who produce very little output. Those people aren’t making Brooks world worse, they’re not prevalent at all outside West Virginia and some adjacent zones, and they’re not going to magically disappear just because you allow Mexicans to walk across the border whenever they care to.

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    But...but...Diversity...Vibrant... MultiCulti...-n- stuff.
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  78. @Mr. Blank
    I saw this earlier when Rod Dreher posted something about it on his blog. Interestingly, a lot of his commenters — who aren’t exactly iSteve types — immediately noticed that Brooks’ column can be read as an unstated but implied attack on black Americans.

    A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens? I don’t mean behind closed doors — I mean stuff they were happy to say out loud in public. The closest examples I can think of are the open racism that was once directed at blacks — which doesn’t portend well for the future... :(

    > A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens?

    My impression as a baby boomer and as a reader of popular histories is that current elite contempt-and-hatred would have been career-ending for any mainstream politician, Democrat or Republican, during the ’70s, ’80s, or ’90s.

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    My impression as a baby boomer and as a reader of popular histories is that current elite contempt-and-hatred would have been career-ending for any mainstream politician, Democrat or Republican, during the ’70s, ’80s, or ’90s.

    It wouldn't have occurred to them to talk that way.
    , @Abe

    My impression as a baby boomer and as a reader of popular histories is that current elite contempt-and-hatred would have been career-ending for any mainstream politician, Democrat or Republican, during the ’70s, ’80s, or ’90s.
     
    It was out there, if your eyes were open, in some of the more prominent pop-culture artifacts of the 80's. John Hughes, lace-curtain Irishman son a business executive who grew up in the poshest of Chicago suburbs, made a couple of films centered around the terrors of barbarian white America outside the little bubble of his Gold Coast demimonde.

    FAMILY VACATION and TRAINS, PLANES, AUTOMOBILES are basically a comedy of manners about how grubby, unpleasant, and dangerous the white hinterlands are. Randy Quaid's gross, mooching, backwoods Cousin Eddie. Scary heavy metal-satanist gypsy cab drivers. Unpleasant, slovenly independent motel owners. I lived this, BTW, and vividly remember the wild variations in roadside lodging quality that was the norm in the 70's and 80's. Beds with Shroud of Turin-thick layers of dust on their covers; giant cockroaches; room HVAC systems that had only a 50% chance of functioning in the white-owned independent and even white-franchised smaller chain motel systems.

    One telling scene in FAMILY VACATION was when Chevy Chase drives the station wagon off a mesa and almost totals it. He does get it repaired, but has to basically empty his wallet to do so. What's interesting about the scene is the hostility of the hick white mechanics he's shown paying off. Normally in these sorts of road comedies the setup comes with the main characters losing their wallets and not being able to pay for essential services. In this case Chevy DOES have the money, but the mechanics can't get over what a stupid, city-slickin', rich a$$hole his character must be for running his car off a cliff, and the scene has the definite between-the-lines tension of the mechanics wondering if they shouldn't teach ol' Clark Griswold a lesson in the form of beating him up (and maybe sexually assaulting him in the bargain) for being such a pathetic little rich-boy punk.

    Once the browning of America got underway in earnest in the 90's, though (as well as mega corporate consolidation) all that was taken care of. Motels started to have consistent quality thanks to the battalions of Central American peon-labor cleaning ladies serving them. More and more blue collar trade work too. Steve mentioned how upper middle class rich-boy preppies must secretly appreciate now dealing with silent-as-a-stone Mestizo laborers and contractors instead of more socially-akin, rougher white blue collar types who can talk back and challenge their masculinity and I have to admit I resemble this remark. I have a YUGE white handyman I've been using for years; nice guy, but he definitely pulls male dominance moves on occasion- like asking me what beer is left in the fridge at the end of a job.

    So, yeah, according to Brooks the real hero of TRAINS PLANES & AUTOMOBILES is Steve Martin's uptight white collar prick characters, who can finally breathe free now that opioids are erasing all the John Candy/Dell Griffin types from the face of the earth.

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  79. David Brooks deliberately reverses the arrow of causation for white Middle America’s economic problems, which are immigration, Immigration, and IMMIGRATION. Notice he doesn’t go anywhere near Fresno, Flint, or Rochester, places devastated by low skill chain migration. He travels through he last affordable white majority areas in the US not yet fully transformed by government refugee resettlement programs. Lots of wealthy white liberals have vacation homes in these pleasant crime free areas in New England and the Adirondacks, but it must totally frost Brooks that he has to pay some local white carpenter with three kids $25 bucks an hour to fix the leak in the roof of his summer cottage instead of $10 bucks an hour to some Home Depot chore whore living in an illegal alien flop house.

    David Brooks is like a black person who sees a white person pushed down by a braying black mob, then runs over to stomp whitey in the head because that’s what he does.

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  80. … Of course they react with defensive animosity to the immigrants who out-hustle and out-build them. You’d react negatively, too, if confronted with people who are better versions of what you wish you were yourself.

    Some professional class type from California tells me in a forum like this that all the repairman he’s familiar with are smart Latino chaps and not oxy-addled losers like you people. So, you check with the Bureau of Labor Statistics and you discover that whites currently make up 78% of the workforce and hispanics of any race 17%. Of those employed in ‘Installation, Maintenance, and Repair Occupations’, as we speak, 85% are white and 19% are hispanics of any race. So, 85% of those fixing the heating system are people he doesn’t notice. What’s grossly amusing is that he likely fancies his judgement is fairer than that of his grandparents or the irritated Republicans with whom he tangles online.

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  81. @ic1000
    > A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens?

    My impression as a baby boomer and as a reader of popular histories is that current elite contempt-and-hatred would have been career-ending for any mainstream politician, Democrat or Republican, during the '70s, '80s, or '90s.

    My impression as a baby boomer and as a reader of popular histories is that current elite contempt-and-hatred would have been career-ending for any mainstream politician, Democrat or Republican, during the ’70s, ’80s, or ’90s.

    It wouldn’t have occurred to them to talk that way.

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    My impression as a baby boomer and as a reader of popular histories is that current elite contempt-and-hatred would have been career-ending for any mainstream politician, Democrat or Republican, during the ’70s, ’80s, or ’90s.

     

    It wouldn’t have occurred to them to talk that way.

    Well, if you listened to the wilder fringes of Leftist talk radio in the 1970s, the anti-white talk was already well under way. And while it wasn't quite as overt as it is now, the "blacks are great, whites get hate" mode of operation was also well along. See, as one example, the "Howard Beach" incident in New York City, in 1986. It set off a giant wave of "whites are all racist" talk. As did the Bernie Goetz shooting incident in 1984.

    And let us never forget the Ur-statement of genocidal white-hate, from one Susan Sontag nee Rosenblatt, which she wrote in 1967.

    The white race is the cancer of human history; it is the white race and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself
    , @Sgt. Joe Friday
    No, it wouldn't. For all his faults, Bill Clinton never gave the impression that he hated the people whose government he presided over. His wife on the other hand...*

    Well, it was nice while it lasted. For most of human history, most people in most places have been ruled over by an elite who were foreign to them and/or despised them. We were different; even presidents who came from great wealth like FDR thought it necessary to try to connect to the common man (a trait that BTW Trump shares). But by the time we got to Bush 43, he would cloak himself in the flag but at the same time go out of his way to slobber over immigrants, suggesting that they were our betters that we could learn from. And perhaps just as bizarrely, he once remarked that he "understood" the immigration issue because he owned a baseball team and employed ballplayers from Latin America. WTF? That's like saying that because you own an NBA team you "understand" the problems of the black inner city.

    * Most people think Bill Clinton corrupted the otherwise upstanding and virtuous Hillary Rodham. I say she already possessed abundant guile and deceit and thirst for power when they met (not to mention being a devotee of Saul Alinsky), and that if anything, he was the one who fell under her influence, not the other way around.
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  82. @Arclight
    Perhaps the elites have always had contempt for those lower down the ladder, but not until the last 30 years has it explicitly been their goal to replace them with other people.

    Although my politics are very different than Obama's, the thing that set me off the most about him was his repeated promises to fundamentally change America, since it comes with the implication that the existing people are not good enough and need to be taken down a few pegs. Bill Clinton had his faults and certainly lusted after money and elevation to the economic elite, but I never felt he actually disliked the nation he was leading.

    Trump - for me - has a lot of flaws, but the fact that he defends the people who already live here as decent counts for a lot.

    Perhaps the elites have always had contempt for those lower down the ladder, but not until the last 30 years has it explicitly been their goal to replace them with other people.

    No. The whole point of an organization like the DAR was to celebrate and promote the foundational population.

    You hear tales about the behavior of corporate management ca. 1930 that are sometimes stupefying.

    I think among my great-grandparents’ generation, the phrase ‘the best people’ was still current. If what I observed among my parents contemporaries was representative, status had a great deal to do with manners, good conduct, and pedigree. Now its derived from formal schooling and certain taste-markers.

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    No. The whole point of an organization like the DAR was to celebrate and promote the foundational population.

    I think among my great-grandparents’ generation, the phrase ‘the best people’ was still current.


    Well, Art, I imagine the problem lies with the fact that, during your great-grandparents' generation, the elite was a completely different group of people.

    David Brooks isn't really an American, and he never will be, so why would he care about the Daughters of the American Revolution?

    And a lot of the current elites are even less American than Brooks is.

    So it's important to remember that we really shouldn't be allowing high-IQ immigration either. Because all they're going to do is form another economic elite in this country that has no connection to the real American population.

    It's not worth it. They can invent their little websites in their own countries, and we'll just have to struggle on without them somehow, like we did before.

    Bret Stephens tried warning us about this, but it was too late.
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  83. OT – Time Out claims Chicago best city in world, FWIW.

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  84. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    The states with the highest employment-to-population ratios are as follows:

    North Dakota.............
    Nebraska.................
    Iowa.....................
    South Dakota.............
    Minnesota................
    New Hampshire............
    Utah.....................
    District of Columbia.....
    Wisconsin................
    Kansas...................
    Wyoming..................
    Vermont..................

    Among this set, only DC has a foreign-born contingent which exceeds the national mean. Neither are coastal states leaving interior states in the dust. Exurban, small town, and rural areas have less complex occupational strata and lack high-income occupations and are thus less affluent. You don't find BigLaw partners in Canton, Ohio. That having been said, were these areas actually 'stagnating', the income ratio between metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties and between highly urbanized and lightly urbanized states would be growing larger. It isn't.

    Kevin Williamson tried to make a similar point by offering a precis of the economic and social life of a single county in Kentucky with 5,000 people in it. The problem is a mixture of dishonesty and innumeracy.

    The problem is a mixture of dishonesty and innumeracy.

    But David Brooks obviously has a high IQ, or he wouldn’t be so successful in the media. And since he clearly doesn’t consider white people to be his enemy, why would he be so dishonest in attempting to do things to harm them? Kevin Williamson is a weird-looking homosexual, who simply hates the rednecks who he thinks bullied him growing up. But that doesn’t explain David Brooks.

    So what causes David Brooks to be so malevolent? Do you have any ideas, Art Deco?

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    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brooks_(cultural_commentator) :

    As early as 2003, Brooks wrote favorably of same-sex marriage, pointing out that marriage is a traditional conservative value.
     
    Best conservative.
    , @Art Deco
    Brooks is a graduate of the University of Chicago. I've little doubt he has considerable (but still normal-range) intelligence. He's the AP History teacher in an affluent suburban high school. I suspect that his intelligence is in the verbal realm because it simply didn't occur to him (or he studiously avoided) attempting to verify his contentions.

    Williamson is a much angrier man than David Brooks, who is merely supercilious. What gets you about Williamson is that he rants viciously about the shortcomings of domestic wage-earners (caricaturing them all the way, as if his quite hopeless mother were the mode). The wages and benefits of ordinary Americans encompass little in the way of rents. Some public employees are overpaid and underdisciplined, but that's about it. They get what people are willing to offer them. ProPublica has kindly published the IRS 990 forms of your favorite philanthropies, and from that we learn that the trustees of National Review are an extension of its editors, and those editors are looting six figure sums from the endowment, donation, and subscription revenue of the publication to pay themselves absurd salaries. Kevin Williamson writes theatre criticism. Maybe Bosley Crowther earned good coin back in the day doing that, but very few can, just as very few can make a living writing novels (especially novels outside the genres of romance or crime). Kevin Williamson is paid more than the average physician

    Williamson does look like Anton LeVey. If he's a homosexual, his view of public life is certain eccentric for that sort.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/416307/war-private-mind-kevin-d-williamson

    , @MEH 0910
    There is another Kevin Williamson who is a gay screenwriter. Are you conflating them?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Williamson_(screenwriter)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_D._Williamson

    , @Flip
    The New York Times has moved from liberal to leftist the last several years, and I think Brooks feels he needs to move left as well to keep his job.
    , @Scott66
    What passes for high IQ these days is a good memory. Memory give you vocabulary and the ability to regurgitate what you have read/heard, it does not necessarily give you reason and logic.

    Brooks comes off as highly educated but not intelligent. He will never invent anything useful and will never write anything worth remembering. An average intellect with a good memory.
    , @Alden
    Isn’t Brooks a Jew?
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  85. This is the first time that I’ve heard a man seemingly try to make a connection between having a border and (for shorthand) the Berlin Wall. Previously, I have only heard one young, empty-headed woman do it.

    It is frankly infuriating. The main German-German border had automatic rocket launchers that were triggered by movement. They were first conceived for concentration camps in WW2 but never built, except under Communism. The whole system was constructed at the behest of the Soviets, an occupying power that maintained large system of barracks within East Germany. The stagnation was not due to East Germany not importing millions of Turks; it was due to Communism, Mr. Brooks. A system which preached internationalism and which the NYT has often looked at through rose-tinted glasses. One of the ways they maintained power was by calling their enemies Nazis.

    I’m said it before: how is Brooks allowed to call himself a conservative? It is laugh out loud funny. No one, not the most deranged lib, could delude themselves into thinking he is one. Brooks would have been ensconced higher than Merkel.

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  86. Brooks needs to get out more often–at least this century. I drive about the Northeast frequently enough, that when I stop off the highway for a bite to eat or for gas (or places where I visit friends), I wonder, “where did these people come from” as they are not native to the area, to the country. Here’s one clue for Brooks: English is not spoken…

    He writes garbage like this because his readers have to take his word for it–they wouldn’t be caught dead anywhere in rural America.

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    Rural America must be ridiculed, when not just feared, in the Brooks world. His theoretical New England route is likely a puppy-whistlish acknowledgement of that famous post-election map that showed so much red.

    The enterprising traveler could drive coast to coast passing only through red counties. Variations on a theme would allow similar itineraries. Think of that trip planning as a party activity for the right-minded, and could help acquaint kids with geography and demography.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Forbes, does Brooks really think that refugees, brought to our shores, really want to live in rural America, and not, to them anyhow, the urban meccas that are Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis , Cleveland and Buffalo.
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  87. Steve, your link is just taking me to Taki’s main page.

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  88. Of course they react with defensive animosity to the immigrants who out-hustle and out-build them. You’d react negatively, too, if confronted with people who are better versions of what you wish you were yourself.

    So Brooks would be 100% on board with Israel importing a million high-IQ, industrious Chinese, right?

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    They'd make the desert bloom!
    https://www.economist.com/news/international/21613334-vast-tree-planting-arid-regions-failing-halt-deserts-march-great-green-wall

    Also daily reminder that the man who says 'ethnostates don't work' has a son who served in the Israeli army and exactly zero serving in the highly diverse US army who seem to do the lions share of the fighting in the wars he endlessly proposes. What went wrong with your parenting David? Surely he didn't pick this inclination up from his father...
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  89. @Mr. Blank
    I saw this earlier when Rod Dreher posted something about it on his blog. Interestingly, a lot of his commenters — who aren’t exactly iSteve types — immediately noticed that Brooks’ column can be read as an unstated but implied attack on black Americans.

    A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens? I don’t mean behind closed doors — I mean stuff they were happy to say out loud in public. The closest examples I can think of are the open racism that was once directed at blacks — which doesn’t portend well for the future... :(

    Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens?

    Nope. It used to be making jokes or poking light-hearted (or not so light) fun at, say, rednecks. Now it’s open contempt and disgust for flyover country and middle America.

    I live in NYC, and it’s a regular feature I hear from people far from the “elite,” as when “elites” say it, it gives everyone else permission to say it.

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    I live in NYC, and it’s a regular feature I hear from people far from the “elite,” as when “elites” say it, it gives everyone else permission to say it.
     
    Which is why Trump is so reviled among elites. Trump gives us permission to say it.
    , @Anonymous

    It used to be making jokes or poking light-hearted (or not so light) fun at, say, rednecks. Now it’s open contempt and disgust for flyover country and middle America.

     

    When I was in college years ago at a liberal, fairly elite university, “middle America” was a frequent and open punchline to many jokes in and out of the classroom.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    When you live on the receiving end of ridiculous policies, laws, and social experiments generated disproportionately by NYC'ers, whose scalability outside of Manhattan island is low, yeah, that's the compensation- you get to say it. It's the stand-in word for the critique we'd like to have aired, but can't. Enjoy the asymmetry.
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  90. Just imagine how nasty these elitist creeps are going to be when if/robots make the working classes of all races obsolete.

    “Of course they react with defensive animosity to the machines who out-hustle and out-build them. You’d react negatively, too, if confronted with robots who are better versions of what you wish you were yourself.”

    There Will Be Ludd.

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  91. @Art Deco
    The states with the highest employment-to-population ratios are as follows:

    North Dakota.............
    Nebraska.................
    Iowa.....................
    South Dakota.............
    Minnesota................
    New Hampshire............
    Utah.....................
    District of Columbia.....
    Wisconsin................
    Kansas...................
    Wyoming..................
    Vermont..................

    Among this set, only DC has a foreign-born contingent which exceeds the national mean. Neither are coastal states leaving interior states in the dust. Exurban, small town, and rural areas have less complex occupational strata and lack high-income occupations and are thus less affluent. You don't find BigLaw partners in Canton, Ohio. That having been said, were these areas actually 'stagnating', the income ratio between metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties and between highly urbanized and lightly urbanized states would be growing larger. It isn't.

    Kevin Williamson tried to make a similar point by offering a precis of the economic and social life of a single county in Kentucky with 5,000 people in it. The problem is a mixture of dishonesty and innumeracy.

    The problem is a mixture of dishonesty and innumeracy

    True, and it is almost impossible with people like Brooks to separate the two. I once discussed global population and migration with a professor who was verbally quite gifted (‘Macron of academia’). He was obsessively fanatical about his agenda of open borders but couldn’t grasp the difference between a million and a billion. He just couldn’t, numbers meant nothing to him. Numbers and statistics were just like other words to only be manipulated at will. The numbers had no deeper meaning for him – his brain was unable to see the world in quantitative terms.

    Are they dishonest or stupid? I think they themselves often couldn’t tell us.

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  92. David Brooks should worry that his vile attacks will bring about the East Germans of the 1930s

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  93. @anon
    The problem is a mixture of dishonesty and innumeracy.

    But David Brooks obviously has a high IQ, or he wouldn't be so successful in the media. And since he clearly doesn't consider white people to be his enemy, why would he be so dishonest in attempting to do things to harm them? Kevin Williamson is a weird-looking homosexual, who simply hates the rednecks who he thinks bullied him growing up. But that doesn't explain David Brooks.

    So what causes David Brooks to be so malevolent? Do you have any ideas, Art Deco?

    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brooks_(cultural_commentator) :

    As early as 2003, Brooks wrote favorably of same-sex marriage, pointing out that marriage is a traditional conservative value.

    Best conservative.

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    "pointing out that marriage is a traditional conservative value"

    I might have thought that would mean conservatives would defend it as something precious, rather than destroy it by altering its meaning.

    But that was before I discovered that "conservative" in mainstream-speak means "person who doesn't conserve anything."

    (What was the fake-idea, that if homos marry they'll become conservative? Because that's stupid, but within the bounds of normal Conservatism Inc. stupidity. If the idea was that because we value it we must spread it, with whatever consequences may follow, that's up there with the stupider things conservatives/neocons ever thought.)

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  94. How many pundits have made this same argument as Brooks? I know William Kristol has. It betrays a shocking lack of empathy for the less fortunate, but only if they are white. Do they write about the impact of low-skilled immigrants on black wages and unemployment?

    Let’s face it: what we see here is the lingering anti-Gentilism of a few highly-influential Ashkenazi Americans, which is deeply rooted in ancestral memories (false memories when it comes to Anglo-Protestant Americans) of anti-Semitism in the Old-World.

    The fact that their upper-middle-class children and grandchildren are not threatened by — indeed benefit very handsomely from — free mobility of labor and capital in an economically lopsided world, needs to also be taken into account. Or do they imagine themselves immune from ordinary human self-interest as well as suppressed feelings of resentment and a schadenfreudish spirit of revenge?

    One last question: will attitudes change when they realize that anti-Semitism is rife in these new immigrant groups, Hispanic and Asian alike, whose demographic explosion may undermine American popular support for the state of Israel? Probably not, but other, wiser and more prudent of their co-ethnics may rise in their stead, of which Stephen Miller is a harbinger. Let us hope this is true.

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    How many pundits have made this same argument as Brooks? I know William Kristol has.

    Kristol isn't nearly as viscerally hostile to ordinary working people as Kevin Williamson, was perceptive enough in making his remarks to be embarrassed about what he was saying, and was more implicitly self-deprecating inasmuch as it could be turned against his own cohort.
    , @Luke Lea
    Instead of anti-Gentile as the opposite of anti-Semite, maybe anti-Caucasiod would be a better — a more parallel — description? Of course not all Caucasians are of gentile European descent, but then neither are all Semites of Hebrew descent. We need to give this particular form of racial/religious bigotry a better name than anti-white, which currently is getting a free pass.
    , @peterike

    One last question: will attitudes change when they realize that anti-Semitism is rife in these new immigrant groups, Hispanic and Asian alike, whose demographic explosion may undermine American popular support for the state of Israel?

     

    No, because the actual anti-Semitism of Hispanics and Asians is far less than the imagined anti-Semitism of white Gentiles. Jews will consider Asian anti-Semitism cute and just, you know, a little misinformed. They will never have the same rancor for non-whites as they have for whites. Hell, Progressive Jews make alliances with Muslims every day. There is only one enemy.
    , @William Badwhite
    "One last question: will attitudes change when they realize that anti-Semitism is rife in these new immigrant groups, Hispanic and Asian alike, whose demographic explosion may undermine American popular support for the state of Israel?"

    One thing you can count on is that they will expect the gentiles to come to their rescue and shriek loudly about "hate" and "anti-semitism" if said rescue doesn't arrive in the time frame they expect.
    , @Ed
    The situation for Jews is more dire in France in that their children are now openly assaulted in the streets. I don’t think French Jews are rushing to embrace Le Pen. I believe the major French rabbis still reserve most of their venom for ethnic French racists for example.

    Jews have this fatalism thing going on as a group. So I don’t think you’ll see many changes in their politics as a result of Hispanic anti-semitism. Asian anti-semitism isn’t really a thing.
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  95. @MEH 0910
    Steve, your link is just taking me to Taki's main page.
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  96. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Of course they react with defensive animosity to the immigrants who out-hustle and out-build them. You’d react negatively, too, if confronted with people who are better versions of what you wish you were yourself.
     
    So Brooks would be 100% on board with Israel importing a million high-IQ, industrious Chinese, right?

    They’d make the desert bloom!

    https://www.economist.com/news/international/21613334-vast-tree-planting-arid-regions-failing-halt-deserts-march-great-green-wall

    Also daily reminder that the man who says ‘ethnostates don’t work’ has a son who served in the Israeli army and exactly zero serving in the highly diverse US army who seem to do the lions share of the fighting in the wars he endlessly proposes. What went wrong with your parenting David? Surely he didn’t pick this inclination up from his father…

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  97. This image works well as a visual gloss for what sort of immigrants encourage the immigrant boosterism on display by Brooks.

    Insofar as a vote for Trump vs. Clinton was a vote for immigration restriction versus open borders, note the contrast between the near universal support for HRC in the Bay Area versus the—universally ignored—lukewarm support on the part of Central and Southern California (much of which consists of second or third generation Hispanics).

    Like Brooks, the Bay Area hears “immigrant” and thinks educated middle and upper class professionals fluent in English. The rest of the state, not so much.

    This is not a slight against Hispanic immigrants, many of whom are hard workers who just want a better life for their kids. I don’t begrudge them. But a non-trivial percentage of Californians—again, many of whom are Hispanic themselves—recognize that receiving a constant stream of barely literate helots is not healthy for society.

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  98. OT but not really:

    Beyond parody (http://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/371601-trump-cant-seem-to-recognize-foreign-born-black-and-brown-people-as):

    Trump seems unable to recognize foreign-born people, particularly black and brown people, as American, regardless of residency or citizenship.

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    After rereading, it seems I somewhat botched the above comment, and the article doesn't involve the precise absurdity that I above insinuate that it involves. The writer, I think, does almost entirely believe what I am insinuating the quoted line says (at least in a doublethink way), but doesn't precisely say that, even if the quoted sentence does indeed appear in the article. Truth matters!
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  99. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    Perhaps the elites have always had contempt for those lower down the ladder, but not until the last 30 years has it explicitly been their goal to replace them with other people.

    No. The whole point of an organization like the DAR was to celebrate and promote the foundational population.


    You hear tales about the behavior of corporate management ca. 1930 that are sometimes stupefying.


    I think among my great-grandparents' generation, the phrase 'the best people' was still current. If what I observed among my parents contemporaries was representative, status had a great deal to do with manners, good conduct, and pedigree. Now its derived from formal schooling and certain taste-markers.

    No. The whole point of an organization like the DAR was to celebrate and promote the foundational population.

    I think among my great-grandparents’ generation, the phrase ‘the best people’ was still current.

    Well, Art, I imagine the problem lies with the fact that, during your great-grandparents’ generation, the elite was a completely different group of people.

    David Brooks isn’t really an American, and he never will be, so why would he care about the Daughters of the American Revolution?

    And a lot of the current elites are even less American than Brooks is.

    So it’s important to remember that we really shouldn’t be allowing high-IQ immigration either. Because all they’re going to do is form another economic elite in this country that has no connection to the real American population.

    It’s not worth it. They can invent their little websites in their own countries, and we’ll just have to struggle on without them somehow, like we did before.

    Bret Stephens tried warning us about this, but it was too late.

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  100. @songbird
    I thought Maine was down to about 90% because of the Feds planting people there.

    NH is not very white anymore either. Back in the '80s or '90s, you would be hard pressed to casually find a nonwhite in its major cities. Now I have literally seen nonwhites pushing prams in tiny towns, deep into the state. Towns that had their heyday back in the 1890s. Boston aside, I think NH is less white than MA was 30 years ago.

    What is obvious to me is that Brooks has not been to these states recently, and perhaps he never went to them at all.

    That is why he talked about driving through county after county, he knows these states are not 95% white anymore, but you could find a way to drive through them in 95% white counties. That doesn’t really mean anything for the overall economy of the states, but doesn’t fit Brooks’s argument so he ignores it. He knows the State Department has been dumping refugees in these states, but thinks they should like it.

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  101. You’d react negatively, too, if confronted with people who are better versions of what you wish you were yourself

    Brooks knows what he’s talking about here, since he is confronted constantly with people who are better versions of the man he wishes he was.

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  102. @FPD72
    The link isn’t working and I can’t find the article on Taki’s site.

    I found it by clicking to a previous Steve article, then clicking on his byline, just below the article title, to take me to the author page with links to all of Steve’s articles. A link to the newest one was there.

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  103. @Mr. Blank
    I saw this earlier when Rod Dreher posted something about it on his blog. Interestingly, a lot of his commenters — who aren’t exactly iSteve types — immediately noticed that Brooks’ column can be read as an unstated but implied attack on black Americans.

    A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens? I don’t mean behind closed doors — I mean stuff they were happy to say out loud in public. The closest examples I can think of are the open racism that was once directed at blacks — which doesn’t portend well for the future... :(

    Interestingly, a lot of his commenters — who aren’t exactly iSteve types — immediately noticed that Brooks’ column can be read as an unstated but implied attack on black Americans.

    Good point, Blank. When Brooks started comparing immigrants to native-born Americans, my iSteve training immediately led me to ask the question (unaddressed by Brooks, naturally): “What’s hidden in that general population term ‘native Americans’?”

    The answer, which John Derbyshire has shown in other contexts (notably America’s international ranking in student test scores) is that when you disaggregate the general set of natives into particular racial/ethnic groups, you see a very different picture. Brooks certainly knows this; he’s not a stupid writer, nor ignorant of the arguments advanced by Steve and Derb, among others.

    One rationale for his having written such an idiotic column is that Brooks is indeed making a coded (and therefore cowardly) disavowal of American blacks, the way Charles Murray’s recent book (which he pointedly sites) was a veiled critique of black social dysfunction (with its implication that if disorder is this bad among lower class whites, imagine how much worse it must be among blacks).

    On the other hand, that’s probably too generous an assessment of the column. The truth is, in the circle he now frequents, any realist subtext will go unnoticed, the PC pretext will be applauded, and it’s just another payday for Brooks. He can rest in the certainty that he’ll never, ever be asked to justify himself in public on these matters.

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    "was a veiled critique of black social dysfunction"

    No. It may have contained a veiled critique of black social dysfunction, but it was about white social dysfunction. Explicitly so. That's the difference between Murray and Brooks. Murray says out loud in his subtitle, "Hey! I'm talking about white people!" Brooks isn't being race-specific, though we assume he secretly has it in mind.

    The Bell Curve was about IQ and class structure generally, merely containing one chapter on race. But people were intent upon pulling the black out, so to speak. Much like you're pulling the black out from Coming Apart, for some strange reason pretending it's all about blacks. Because people are obsessed with blacks, for some reason

    But it seems obvious Brooks is writing about whites. Blacks will be hit first and harder by immigrants Third World-izing America. But blacks never really fit into American civilization anyway. Whites are American civilization, and Brooks needs them to be finished for American civilization to end, which apparently is what he wants. Blacks are irrelevant.

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  104. @Forbes

    Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens?
     
    Nope. It used to be making jokes or poking light-hearted (or not so light) fun at, say, rednecks. Now it's open contempt and disgust for flyover country and middle America.

    I live in NYC, and it's a regular feature I hear from people far from the "elite," as when "elites" say it, it gives everyone else permission to say it.

    I live in NYC, and it’s a regular feature I hear from people far from the “elite,” as when “elites” say it, it gives everyone else permission to say it.

    Which is why Trump is so reviled among elites. Trump gives us permission to say it.

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  105. @Luke Lea
    How many pundits have made this same argument as Brooks? I know William Kristol has. It betrays a shocking lack of empathy for the less fortunate, but only if they are white. Do they write about the impact of low-skilled immigrants on black wages and unemployment?

    Let's face it: what we see here is the lingering anti-Gentilism of a few highly-influential Ashkenazi Americans, which is deeply rooted in ancestral memories (false memories when it comes to Anglo-Protestant Americans) of anti-Semitism in the Old-World.

    The fact that their upper-middle-class children and grandchildren are not threatened by — indeed benefit very handsomely from — free mobility of labor and capital in an economically lopsided world, needs to also be taken into account. Or do they imagine themselves immune from ordinary human self-interest as well as suppressed feelings of resentment and a schadenfreudish spirit of revenge?

    One last question: will attitudes change when they realize that anti-Semitism is rife in these new immigrant groups, Hispanic and Asian alike, whose demographic explosion may undermine American popular support for the state of Israel? Probably not, but other, wiser and more prudent of their co-ethnics may rise in their stead, of which Stephen Miller is a harbinger. Let us hope this is true.

    How many pundits have made this same argument as Brooks? I know William Kristol has.

    Kristol isn’t nearly as viscerally hostile to ordinary working people as Kevin Williamson, was perceptive enough in making his remarks to be embarrassed about what he was saying, and was more implicitly self-deprecating inasmuch as it could be turned against his own cohort.

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  106. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    Amtrak train carrying members of GOP and some family members and aides in Virginia was hit by a truck carrying trash (or hit a truck carrying trash). I wonder if the driver of the truck was perhaps an illegal immigrant, a legal immigrant or someone with an opioid problem.

    http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/31/politics/congress-train-accident/index.html

    Also, six days ago, the engineer of the Amtrak train that crashed back in December in Washington state, “… may have lost track of where he was and thought he had already passed a curve that would have required him to slow the train to 30 mph.” The name of the engineer has not been released.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/ntsb-engineer-in-fatal-washington-state-amtrak-crash-may-have-lost-track-of-trains-location/2018/01/25/ce42e482-020a-11e8-8acf-ad2991367d9d_story.html?utm_term=.9ffed7cd9cf6

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    Amtrak train carrying members of GOP and some family members and aides in Virginia...
     
    Of great concern due to people involved (Trump heading there later) and destination. The train was headed to the famous Greenbrier Resort in White Sulphur Springs, WV, known in part for its Cold War-era underground bunker that could shelter dozens from DC, for example, indefinitely.

    Tin-foily, but what if their Greenbrier meeting with Trump was to be disrupted? Not like there aren't many who'd wish those pesky R's harm. #TheTrainWasn'tFine

    Now back to your regularly-scheduled programming.
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  107. @Taco
    The elites created a situation in which working class whites become downtrodden, and then instead of doing something to fix the problem, they proclaim “see how downtrodden these working class whites are? they need to be replaced!”

    Nice and concise. You expressed what I tried to in a much better and more direct way.

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  108. @Luke Lea
    How many pundits have made this same argument as Brooks? I know William Kristol has. It betrays a shocking lack of empathy for the less fortunate, but only if they are white. Do they write about the impact of low-skilled immigrants on black wages and unemployment?

    Let's face it: what we see here is the lingering anti-Gentilism of a few highly-influential Ashkenazi Americans, which is deeply rooted in ancestral memories (false memories when it comes to Anglo-Protestant Americans) of anti-Semitism in the Old-World.

    The fact that their upper-middle-class children and grandchildren are not threatened by — indeed benefit very handsomely from — free mobility of labor and capital in an economically lopsided world, needs to also be taken into account. Or do they imagine themselves immune from ordinary human self-interest as well as suppressed feelings of resentment and a schadenfreudish spirit of revenge?

    One last question: will attitudes change when they realize that anti-Semitism is rife in these new immigrant groups, Hispanic and Asian alike, whose demographic explosion may undermine American popular support for the state of Israel? Probably not, but other, wiser and more prudent of their co-ethnics may rise in their stead, of which Stephen Miller is a harbinger. Let us hope this is true.

    Instead of anti-Gentile as the opposite of anti-Semite, maybe anti-Caucasiod would be a better — a more parallel — description? Of course not all Caucasians are of gentile European descent, but then neither are all Semites of Hebrew descent. We need to give this particular form of racial/religious bigotry a better name than anti-white, which currently is getting a free pass.

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  109. @Art Deco
    My impression as a baby boomer and as a reader of popular histories is that current elite contempt-and-hatred would have been career-ending for any mainstream politician, Democrat or Republican, during the ’70s, ’80s, or ’90s.

    It wouldn't have occurred to them to talk that way.

    My impression as a baby boomer and as a reader of popular histories is that current elite contempt-and-hatred would have been career-ending for any mainstream politician, Democrat or Republican, during the ’70s, ’80s, or ’90s.

    It wouldn’t have occurred to them to talk that way.

    Well, if you listened to the wilder fringes of Leftist talk radio in the 1970s, the anti-white talk was already well under way. And while it wasn’t quite as overt as it is now, the “blacks are great, whites get hate” mode of operation was also well along. See, as one example, the “Howard Beach” incident in New York City, in 1986. It set off a giant wave of “whites are all racist” talk. As did the Bernie Goetz shooting incident in 1984.

    And let us never forget the Ur-statement of genocidal white-hate, from one Susan Sontag nee Rosenblatt, which she wrote in 1967.

    The white race is the cancer of human history; it is the white race and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself

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    I learned about anti White hate way back as early as the late 1960s. My government agency was just invaded by federally funded legal aid and help the poor blacks activist groups. The people who worked for those groups were all very well educated almost all young Jews of the baby boomer red diaper baby generation.
    They truly truly did hate Whites. One of them told me that “ every bit of food that goes into your children’s mouth is stolen from a third world child”

    One who still considers herself a friend is the niece of the Bronfman of Schenley liquor and the world Zionist organization. That’s the young Jews of the red diaper generation.

    They came from very very powerful Jewish families Not all were from communist russian 1900s immigrant families. Some were Untermeyers as in Louis Untermeyer.

    They were heavily involved in outright revolutionary activities. All the while they used their federal LJB Nixon Carter funds to support themselves and run their offices.

    When she was on the run from robbing a bank and killing a police officer Bernadette Dorhn worked for a federal funded legal aid for children of prisoners organization in San Francisco.

    The reason the liberals based it in San Francisco was easy access to the black Muslims and other black revolutionaries they hoped to organize into a revolutionary army in San Quentin prison, Folsom and other prisons.

    They got federal funding from the Johnson Nixon Carter administrations to run these revolutionary activities.

    I,ve read those worshipful histories of Russian revolutionaries 1860 to 1914 Those do gooder war on poverty agencies modeled their revolution on the Russian revolutionaries.
    But instead of organizing proles and peasants they organized black criminals.

    Now they are running the country. Bernadette Dorhn was an SDS revolutionary. She helped rob a bank and kill a police officer back east. She hid out near San Francisco and was given a federally funded do nothing job that gave her access to black revolutionaries in San Quentin prison.
    She planted a bomb in San Francisco’s Park Police Station that killed one and blinded another police officer.

    And what is she now? Head of the family law department in Northwestern university law school. How did she get the job? Her father in law, trustee of Northwestern got her the job.

    Her father in law was head of General Dynamics and the big midwestern power company.

    And of course she and her husband Bill Ayers another red diaper baby terrorist chaperoned and managed the Obamas for years. And where did the money for Obama’s political campaigns and activist foundations come from?

    The biggest Obama contributer since he arrived in Chicago are the Pritzker family of Hyatt Hotels and numerous other businesses.

    They do hate us. I’ve watched it since 1968. Bronfman, Untermeyer* General Dynamics Pritzker they are the elite of the elite.
    * Untermeyers got into Standard Oil 150 years ago

    We Whites are lucky we haven’t been massacred by Jewish liberal led blacks 50 years ago. That’s what they planned.

    But the business elites needed time to bring in our replacements.
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  110. @Mr. Anon
    If flyover Americans are the East Germans of 21st century America, then perhaps it is due to the fact that the urban elites, like David Brooks, are the Soviet occupiers of 21st century America.

    If flyover Americans are the East Germans of 21st century America, then perhaps it is due to the fact that the urban elites, like David Brooks, are the Soviet occupiers of 21st century America.

    Though it wasn’t East Germany, recall the Soviet occupiers brought in demographic ringers to try to water down the Baltic States. Much like what our elites are trying to do to us.

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    Tibet and China for that matter...
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  111. You’d react negatively, too, if confronted with people who are better versions of what you wish you were yourself.

    This actually explains the hostility of African-Americans to immigrants from Africa.

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  112. @Luke Lea
    How many pundits have made this same argument as Brooks? I know William Kristol has. It betrays a shocking lack of empathy for the less fortunate, but only if they are white. Do they write about the impact of low-skilled immigrants on black wages and unemployment?

    Let's face it: what we see here is the lingering anti-Gentilism of a few highly-influential Ashkenazi Americans, which is deeply rooted in ancestral memories (false memories when it comes to Anglo-Protestant Americans) of anti-Semitism in the Old-World.

    The fact that their upper-middle-class children and grandchildren are not threatened by — indeed benefit very handsomely from — free mobility of labor and capital in an economically lopsided world, needs to also be taken into account. Or do they imagine themselves immune from ordinary human self-interest as well as suppressed feelings of resentment and a schadenfreudish spirit of revenge?

    One last question: will attitudes change when they realize that anti-Semitism is rife in these new immigrant groups, Hispanic and Asian alike, whose demographic explosion may undermine American popular support for the state of Israel? Probably not, but other, wiser and more prudent of their co-ethnics may rise in their stead, of which Stephen Miller is a harbinger. Let us hope this is true.

    One last question: will attitudes change when they realize that anti-Semitism is rife in these new immigrant groups, Hispanic and Asian alike, whose demographic explosion may undermine American popular support for the state of Israel?

    No, because the actual anti-Semitism of Hispanics and Asians is far less than the imagined anti-Semitism of white Gentiles. Jews will consider Asian anti-Semitism cute and just, you know, a little misinformed. They will never have the same rancor for non-whites as they have for whites. Hell, Progressive Jews make alliances with Muslims every day. There is only one enemy.

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  113. @anon
    The problem is a mixture of dishonesty and innumeracy.

    But David Brooks obviously has a high IQ, or he wouldn't be so successful in the media. And since he clearly doesn't consider white people to be his enemy, why would he be so dishonest in attempting to do things to harm them? Kevin Williamson is a weird-looking homosexual, who simply hates the rednecks who he thinks bullied him growing up. But that doesn't explain David Brooks.

    So what causes David Brooks to be so malevolent? Do you have any ideas, Art Deco?

    Brooks is a graduate of the University of Chicago. I’ve little doubt he has considerable (but still normal-range) intelligence. He’s the AP History teacher in an affluent suburban high school. I suspect that his intelligence is in the verbal realm because it simply didn’t occur to him (or he studiously avoided) attempting to verify his contentions.

    Williamson is a much angrier man than David Brooks, who is merely supercilious. What gets you about Williamson is that he rants viciously about the shortcomings of domestic wage-earners (caricaturing them all the way, as if his quite hopeless mother were the mode). The wages and benefits of ordinary Americans encompass little in the way of rents. Some public employees are overpaid and underdisciplined, but that’s about it. They get what people are willing to offer them. ProPublica has kindly published the IRS 990 forms of your favorite philanthropies, and from that we learn that the trustees of National Review are an extension of its editors, and those editors are looting six figure sums from the endowment, donation, and subscription revenue of the publication to pay themselves absurd salaries. Kevin Williamson writes theatre criticism. Maybe Bosley Crowther earned good coin back in the day doing that, but very few can, just as very few can make a living writing novels (especially novels outside the genres of romance or crime). Kevin Williamson is paid more than the average physician

    Williamson does look like Anton LeVey. If he’s a homosexual, his view of public life is certain eccentric for that sort.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/416307/war-private-mind-kevin-d-williamson

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    Brooks is a graduate of the University of Chicago. I’ve little doubt he has considerable (but still normal-range) intelligence.

    OK, then. So why is he still wrong all the time? If a smart person is consistently wrong, then doesn't that indicate dishonesty? Which, by the way, you already admitted. So why is he so dishonest? And why does he use his dishonesty in an attempt to harm white people?

    Williamson is a much angrier man than David Brooks, who is merely supercilious.

    Yes, we've already been over this. Williamson is a degenerate, who didn't like his fellow Texans pointing out his degeneracy as a young man. We've established his reasons for doing what he does.

    The question we are exploring now is David Brooks. Why do you feel it is that he is so dishonest and anti-white? What caused it?

    , @3g4me
    @57 Art Deco: "Williamson is a much angrier man than David Brooks, who is merely supercilious. What gets you about Williamson is that he rants viciously about the shortcomings of domestic wage-earners (caricaturing them all the way, as if his quite hopeless mother were the mode)."

    Williamson's rage and hatred for working White Americans and rural towns is rooted in the fact that he's a Mulatto.
    Same as Obama, or Ben Jealous , or any other neither-fish-nor-fowl individual.
    , @The Millennial Falcon
    Williamson is just angry all the time. Struck me when I saw someone retweet his bile-drenched denunciation of State of the Union addresses - it's one thing to groan at the lameness of all the ritual applause, but to burst a blood vessel in rage over a stupid tradition? He just gets off on loathing.

    He and J-Pod must be great at parties.
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Thanks so much for your deconstruction on Brooks Arty. Taki should use it in lieu of Steve's lost link.
    , @ben tillman
    Brooks is Jewish. That's the point you were supposed to address.
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  114. @sabril
    I used to live in an all-white area (Northern New England) and it seemed pretty nice to me in terms of social cohesion. For example, you never had to lock your door.

    In terms of economic dynamism, it's true things were a bit sleepy, but I think he is reversing cause and effect. Economic success results in an upper class, which then imports a lower class to provide cheap labor which then causes social problems.

    I'm not sure what to say about opiates, since it was not a problem when I lived there. I would guess part of the problem is that the people who are smart and have their shit together tend to leave the rural areas to work in and around the big cities; the people left are more prone to drug abuse.

    Anyway, the link you provided doesn't seem to work.

    I would guess part of the problem is that the people who are smart and have their shit together tend to leave the rural areas to work in and around the big cities; the people left are more prone to drug abuse.

    I think you are correct. Steve has blogged about the Homer Hickams of flyover country leaving to become engineers somewhere else. If this internal brain drain leaves our rural areas devastated, just what do you think is happening to third world nations from which we take their top talent?

    Also, I have heard people make the argument that desegregation decimated the black community by taking away their top talent and leaving behind the underclass.

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    I think you are correct. Steve has blogged about the Homer Hickams of flyover country leaving to become engineers somewhere else. If this internal brain drain leaves our rural areas devastated, just what do you think is happening to third world nations from which we take their top talent?

    Again, exurban, small town, and rural areas plug along, non-devastated. The feedback mechanism you're imagining reaches a ready equilibrium. I don't think you can demonstrate that departure from the labor force is more common outside metropolitan centers than within them and I think the state-level data suggests the opposite.

    The one part of the country which appears to be an exception exception would be parts of the Great Plains and Rocky Mountains which have been intensely invested in agriculture and ranching and which have no cities of any description within driving distance. See western Kansas, which has suffered relentless demographic decline since 1930 or thereabouts. The thing is, not many people ever lived there to begin with (200,000 perhaps).

    Keep in mind that perhaps 15% of the workforce is to be found in professional-managerial occupations and not all practitioners are working (much less residing) in metropolitan centers. By way of example, 1.67% of the working population are to be found in 'architecture and engineering occupations'. The share so found in Kansas is 1.7%. Also, some things which are commonly located in large urban globs can function in much smaller centers if management so prefers. The largest employer in the United States has its headquarters in a city with about 70,000 people in it.
    , @Jack D
    There has always been brain drain from the countryside to the big cities since the dawn of civilization and certainly throughout American history. Henry Ford was a farm boy. There are some very bright farm boys who stay home because farms themselves have become sophisticated businesses but a lot of the bright ones take off for university and never go back. Not much call for rocket scientists in rural N. Dakota or W. Virginia. That's a natural and appropriate process.

    But, the people who stayed behind didn't used to be drug addicts. Other things have changed - big Pharma pushing prescription opiates. Mexican drug dealers in every small town selling cheap heroin when the prescription opiates get to be too expensive. Now even cheaper Chinese fentanyl to kill you with an overdose. No more jobs in the mines. Your wife divorces you because she can do just as well collecting child support and welfare as taking care of your sorry ass. Etc. The brain drain has nothing to do with it.
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  115. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Forbes

    Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens?
     
    Nope. It used to be making jokes or poking light-hearted (or not so light) fun at, say, rednecks. Now it's open contempt and disgust for flyover country and middle America.

    I live in NYC, and it's a regular feature I hear from people far from the "elite," as when "elites" say it, it gives everyone else permission to say it.

    It used to be making jokes or poking light-hearted (or not so light) fun at, say, rednecks. Now it’s open contempt and disgust for flyover country and middle America.

    When I was in college years ago at a liberal, fairly elite university, “middle America” was a frequent and open punchline to many jokes in and out of the classroom.

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    Between you and Forbes, I just recalled an almost lost memory about this type of thing. I was in some informal 2-3 hour class that was just about some bureaucracy and tips for doing some teaching of undergraduate college students. So as not to reveal all, let's call the small town this guy kept mentioning "Mt. Airy" for "Mayberry", but it wasn't.

    This hotshot professor of education (even people who get those degrees for work reasons admit it's a bullshit field completely) probably mentioned Mt Airy TEN times or so, just as his idea of a place where people somehow don't know squat. "Say you're talking to a young girl from Mt. Airy. You need to talk to her like .... blah blah." It went like this over and over, and I only held my tongue for some other people in the room, not because of this jackass.

    Here's the funny part - this guy hadn't been keeping up and didn't know his geography, as this "Mt. Airy" was, first of all between 2 pretty big cities, so not isolated in any way, and had gotten a big plant that makes expensive stuff (to this day, believe it or not) a year or more back already. The place was changing rapidly, but this prof used it as his continual example of what redneck ignorant students one may have to deal with.

    BTW, friends brought this up along with me, later on - we really didn't want to have to go back to that time-waster again - $4 pitchers!
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  116. @anon
    The problem is a mixture of dishonesty and innumeracy.

    But David Brooks obviously has a high IQ, or he wouldn't be so successful in the media. And since he clearly doesn't consider white people to be his enemy, why would he be so dishonest in attempting to do things to harm them? Kevin Williamson is a weird-looking homosexual, who simply hates the rednecks who he thinks bullied him growing up. But that doesn't explain David Brooks.

    So what causes David Brooks to be so malevolent? Do you have any ideas, Art Deco?

    There is another Kevin Williamson who is a gay screenwriter. Are you conflating them?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Williamson_(screenwriter)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_D._Williamson

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  117. @anon
    The problem is a mixture of dishonesty and innumeracy.

    But David Brooks obviously has a high IQ, or he wouldn't be so successful in the media. And since he clearly doesn't consider white people to be his enemy, why would he be so dishonest in attempting to do things to harm them? Kevin Williamson is a weird-looking homosexual, who simply hates the rednecks who he thinks bullied him growing up. But that doesn't explain David Brooks.

    So what causes David Brooks to be so malevolent? Do you have any ideas, Art Deco?

    The New York Times has moved from liberal to leftist the last several years, and I think Brooks feels he needs to move left as well to keep his job.

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    I think "Cultural Marxist" might be the word you are looking for. Although an endangered species, there are still "leftists" out there, and they tend to focus on class as the critical differentiating factor, and not race, or religion. Just as "liberals" are not "leftists", so too are "Cultural Marxists" not "leftists". "Liberals" in today's world, are more likely to be "Cultural Marxists".
    , @guest
    But his job is to be one of the NYT's resident rightist. A rightist NYT readers can read without their brains catching on fire.

    If he loses touch with the right completely--as he basically has-- he loses his purpose. Now he's just a milquetoast leftist.

    Maybe there's a sliver of neocons left to read him. But he should write for NR, Commentary, the Weekly Standard, and other graveyard publications.
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  118. Steve , this guy Brooks and the paper he writes for are irrelevant . It’s okay to post an occasional article about them but enough is enough . I’ve heard it said that if you argue with a fool it’s hard for an observer to decide who is the fool . Also you risk becoming irrelevant yourself .

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  119. @Art Deco
    My impression as a baby boomer and as a reader of popular histories is that current elite contempt-and-hatred would have been career-ending for any mainstream politician, Democrat or Republican, during the ’70s, ’80s, or ’90s.

    It wouldn't have occurred to them to talk that way.

    No, it wouldn’t. For all his faults, Bill Clinton never gave the impression that he hated the people whose government he presided over. His wife on the other hand…*

    Well, it was nice while it lasted. For most of human history, most people in most places have been ruled over by an elite who were foreign to them and/or despised them. We were different; even presidents who came from great wealth like FDR thought it necessary to try to connect to the common man (a trait that BTW Trump shares). But by the time we got to Bush 43, he would cloak himself in the flag but at the same time go out of his way to slobber over immigrants, suggesting that they were our betters that we could learn from. And perhaps just as bizarrely, he once remarked that he “understood” the immigration issue because he owned a baseball team and employed ballplayers from Latin America. WTF? That’s like saying that because you own an NBA team you “understand” the problems of the black inner city.

    * Most people think Bill Clinton corrupted the otherwise upstanding and virtuous Hillary Rodham. I say she already possessed abundant guile and deceit and thirst for power when they met (not to mention being a devotee of Saul Alinsky), and that if anything, he was the one who fell under her influence, not the other way around.

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  120. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    Brooks is a graduate of the University of Chicago. I've little doubt he has considerable (but still normal-range) intelligence. He's the AP History teacher in an affluent suburban high school. I suspect that his intelligence is in the verbal realm because it simply didn't occur to him (or he studiously avoided) attempting to verify his contentions.

    Williamson is a much angrier man than David Brooks, who is merely supercilious. What gets you about Williamson is that he rants viciously about the shortcomings of domestic wage-earners (caricaturing them all the way, as if his quite hopeless mother were the mode). The wages and benefits of ordinary Americans encompass little in the way of rents. Some public employees are overpaid and underdisciplined, but that's about it. They get what people are willing to offer them. ProPublica has kindly published the IRS 990 forms of your favorite philanthropies, and from that we learn that the trustees of National Review are an extension of its editors, and those editors are looting six figure sums from the endowment, donation, and subscription revenue of the publication to pay themselves absurd salaries. Kevin Williamson writes theatre criticism. Maybe Bosley Crowther earned good coin back in the day doing that, but very few can, just as very few can make a living writing novels (especially novels outside the genres of romance or crime). Kevin Williamson is paid more than the average physician

    Williamson does look like Anton LeVey. If he's a homosexual, his view of public life is certain eccentric for that sort.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/416307/war-private-mind-kevin-d-williamson

    Brooks is a graduate of the University of Chicago. I’ve little doubt he has considerable (but still normal-range) intelligence.

    OK, then. So why is he still wrong all the time? If a smart person is consistently wrong, then doesn’t that indicate dishonesty? Which, by the way, you already admitted. So why is he so dishonest? And why does he use his dishonesty in an attempt to harm white people?

    Williamson is a much angrier man than David Brooks, who is merely supercilious.

    Yes, we’ve already been over this. Williamson is a degenerate, who didn’t like his fellow Texans pointing out his degeneracy as a young man. We’ve established his reasons for doing what he does.

    The question we are exploring now is David Brooks. Why do you feel it is that he is so dishonest and anti-white? What caused it?

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    I’m going to compare and contrast David Brooks and Ross Douthat, because I think the similarities and differences between the two are instructive on a number of points.

    Are Brooks and Douthat stupid? Well, from a strictly cognitive point of view, no. The fact is that you can’t (at least not if you’re white or Asian) get into U of Chicago or Harvard if you have a cretinal I.Q..

    Are they poorly-educated or poorly-cultured? Depends. American standards of education and elite education especially have declined drastically over the past century with the rise of P.C. and the devaluation of general knowledge and culture for its own sake, but by contemporary American standards they’re still very high up there. Granted, by contemporary European standards they wouldn’t be considered well-cultured at all (though European standards of education and culture have been steadily chasing after America’s, especially in the past 20 years in Britain and in France, but the HUMINT differential between America and Europe is a subject which merits its own treatment). Compared to other NY Times columnists they’re probably better in some areas on this point, worse in others.

    Overall however neither one is a particularly gifted or coherent writer compared to their NY Times colleagues, and the effects of their mediocre talent are exacerbated by their tendency to pitch above their weight, which The NY Times encourages. I remember Dr. Thomas Fleming discussing this point about Brooks, mentioning that Brooks had admitted he might become a liberal but “mainstream” opinion generation was too saturated a market.

    This is the key. For various reasons (partly due to malicious ulterior motives on the part of their benefactors, partly due to a uniquely American sense of naïve transcendental optimism) the country’s conservative parallel education and media are not capable of mounting a formidable and thorough answer to the left-liberal (“mainstream”: see O’Sullivan’s Law) cultural apparatus, not are such institutions capable of furnishing Christian and conservative American parents with adequate tools to properly inoculate their children against the danger. For several generations higher education has sucked in top natural talent and turned it leftward. The multiversity structure prevalent in Anglo-American systems exacerbates this trend, since “higher education” in America unlike in much of Europe is not focalized on the assimilation of the core subject matter studied.

    Conservatism is thus cut off not only from an adequate appreciation of the nature and depth of the rot in modern culture and scholarship, but also from the subsisting worthwhile treasures of our national and civilizational heritage of which the flagship institutions remain the guardians. Thus conservatism bleeds its top natural and cultural talent, and this tendency exacerbates the aforementioned trends in a horrific feedback loop.

    Back to Brooks and Douthat. The reason they can write rather shabbily and not say much that’s clear or instructive and be published in conservative periodicals or as the token conservatives in AP publications who hilariously hope against hope that they can convince the public the dishonest left-liberalism they peddle does indeed deserve to be called “mainstream,” is that there is not as much competition from other purported conservatives. (I mean, have you read National Review for Heaven’s sake?!) It’s really that simple.

    There is of course a difference between the two. Whatever his shortcomings in political acumen and as a writer, Douthat is actually quite conservative and I see little reason to doubt he actually believes (by and large) what he says. The quote Fleming had railed on (see above) suggest that, so far as *American* politics and society are concerned, Brooks has little in the way of beliefs and is willing to say (and perhaps convince himself he thinks) whatever the Zeitgeist has ordered in order to keep his gigs.

    Would it be accurate to say that Douthat has values and Brooks does not? From one angle maybe, but the fact that Brooks would raise his son to risk his life for Israel rather than for America, as would have been more consistent with the persona he has set up, does suggest that there is something in him with a more primordial sense of human attachment. However, it appears to be quite limited and certainly his values do not inspire efforts which one might call “beneficient” for Americans. For all practical intents and purposes, so far as anyone who wants to save any part of historic America is concerned, we can assume Brooks has no values.

    To synthesize, Brooks appears to be a product of 1. his serving an underserved niche market with the naturally high tolerance for mediocrity that such shortages engender, and 2. a decent if unremarkable level of cognitive power which nevertheless does not by itself lend to significant introspection and moral reflection. He’s not a cretin, but hardly anyone would mistake him for a genius, and while he’s not exactly a DSM-/ICD-diagnosable sociopath, he is by no means a paragon of virtue or principle, quite the contrary. In the same vein, he may not be an outright liar, but he’s not intellectually honest, either. “Mediocre” is probably the best qualifier to explain Brooks, and it fits all around, all the way. As His Imperial Majesty would say, “Sad!”
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  121. @Barnard

    Every few years I try to write a column staking out a reasonable middle ground on immigration. ….
     
    My reaction to this comment was how gracious of Brooks to thrown us immigration restrictionists a bone every year with a "middle ground" column. I don't know if they just don't realize how condescing this sounds, or just don't care anymore, but I am leaning to don't care. The elites who have made a complete mess of the world are now opening starting to treat anyone who dares to disagree with them as a lesser form of life.

    Has the column not been posted at Taki's yet? I cannot find it there.

    I don’t know if they just don’t realize how condescing this sounds, or just don’t care anymore, but I am leaning to don’t care.

    You can identify the prog-left by their complete lack of self-awareness.

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  122. @istevefan

    If flyover Americans are the East Germans of 21st century America, then perhaps it is due to the fact that the urban elites, like David Brooks, are the Soviet occupiers of 21st century America.
     
    Though it wasn't East Germany, recall the Soviet occupiers brought in demographic ringers to try to water down the Baltic States. Much like what our elites are trying to do to us.

    Tibet and China for that matter…

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  123. @Luke Lea
    How many pundits have made this same argument as Brooks? I know William Kristol has. It betrays a shocking lack of empathy for the less fortunate, but only if they are white. Do they write about the impact of low-skilled immigrants on black wages and unemployment?

    Let's face it: what we see here is the lingering anti-Gentilism of a few highly-influential Ashkenazi Americans, which is deeply rooted in ancestral memories (false memories when it comes to Anglo-Protestant Americans) of anti-Semitism in the Old-World.

    The fact that their upper-middle-class children and grandchildren are not threatened by — indeed benefit very handsomely from — free mobility of labor and capital in an economically lopsided world, needs to also be taken into account. Or do they imagine themselves immune from ordinary human self-interest as well as suppressed feelings of resentment and a schadenfreudish spirit of revenge?

    One last question: will attitudes change when they realize that anti-Semitism is rife in these new immigrant groups, Hispanic and Asian alike, whose demographic explosion may undermine American popular support for the state of Israel? Probably not, but other, wiser and more prudent of their co-ethnics may rise in their stead, of which Stephen Miller is a harbinger. Let us hope this is true.

    “One last question: will attitudes change when they realize that anti-Semitism is rife in these new immigrant groups, Hispanic and Asian alike, whose demographic explosion may undermine American popular support for the state of Israel?”

    One thing you can count on is that they will expect the gentiles to come to their rescue and shriek loudly about “hate” and “anti-semitism” if said rescue doesn’t arrive in the time frame they expect.

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  124. @Mr. Blank
    I saw this earlier when Rod Dreher posted something about it on his blog. Interestingly, a lot of his commenters — who aren’t exactly iSteve types — immediately noticed that Brooks’ column can be read as an unstated but implied attack on black Americans.

    A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens? I don’t mean behind closed doors — I mean stuff they were happy to say out loud in public. The closest examples I can think of are the open racism that was once directed at blacks — which doesn’t portend well for the future... :(

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    You have a bizarre view of the Beverly Hillbillies. Who is the more sympathetic character: Jed Clampett or Mr. Drysdale?
    , @Anon
    "Beverly Hillbillies" (dumb TV comedy), sure. "Winesburg, Ohio" (complex literary masterpiece), no way.
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  125. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Taco
    The elites created a situation in which working class whites become downtrodden, and then instead of doing something to fix the problem, they proclaim “see how downtrodden these working class whites are? they need to be replaced!”

    The elites created a situation in which working class whites become downtrodden, and then instead of doing something to fix the problem, they proclaim “see how downtrodden these working class whites are? they need to be replaced!”

    I sometimes wonder if they also did it so they can say, “See! Whites are no different from blacks. They’re exactly the same,” with the intention of demoralizing whites and shaking their confidence in themselves and in their world view.

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  126. @Charles Pewitt
    David Brooks is a Neo-Conservative Jew lunatic who hates us. The corporate propaganda apparatus is filled up to the rafters with Neo-Conservative Jews who hate us.

    https://twitter.com/vdare/status/958533943409676288

    AMERICA FIRST!

    AMERICANS FIRST!

    TRUMP HAS TO GET BACK TO BASE:

    DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS NOW!

    IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM NOW!

    Hey now, hey now, let us not impugn the patriotism of David Brooks. David is a true, blue American born in the U.–oh, wait…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brooks_(cultural_commentator)#Early_life_and_education

    Okay, never mind that. But I’m sure he still wants what is best for his adopted country. After all, he now lives in America and he raised his son here to revere his homeland, even to the point that his son now puts his life on the line for it, and, and ….

    http://jewishjournal.com/articles/item/david_brooks_son_is_in_the_israeli_army_does_it_matter

    Okay, never mind that either.

    —–

    Actually Brooks is parasitical vermin who should be on the next boat to Somalia where he can get all the vibrant diversity he loves, good and hard.

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  127. @anonymous
    It's fairly easy to dump on the Appalachians and Brooks is safe from them retaliating against him by demanding he be fired. If a war comes along that he supports he'd have no problem in letting their children die in it even as he looks down his nose at them. Gotta hate somebody one supposes and Appalachians don't have much of a lobby. There'll be no picketing outside of Brooks' office.

    “If a war comes along that he supports he’d have no problem in letting their children die in it even as he looks down his nose at them.”

    Very correct. And of course from Brooks’ point of view, better the dumb goyim than his son serving in the israeli army.

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  128. F*** this wannabe soviet commissar. His ideology is Trotskyism: permanent revolution via permanent dilution of the national stock

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    Ding, ding, ding!

    And perhaps Trotsky absorbed this methodology with his mother's milk?
    And in what way is David Brooks similar to Trotsky, and in what way besides his methodological default?
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  129. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @advancedatheist
    Trump's willingness to defend the United States as an inheritance and an asset that needs good management to maintain its value for future generations derives from both sides of his ancestry - his German-American father and his Scottish immigrant mother. The Germans and the Scots both have a long tradition of valuing the United States as a second home and a refuge from the Old World. America's Old Stock white people, especially east of the Mississippi, feel similarly about this country, and they recognized a kindred spirit in Trump.

    By contrast, many of the rootless newcomers to this country treat it as a throwaway and a source of loot. Their lack of proprietary feeling towards the United States drives their politics.

    By contrast, many of the rootless newcomers to this country treat it as a throwaway and a source of loot. Their lack of proprietary feeling towards the United States drives their politics.

    My family has been in the U.S. for a very long time, and the idea of the U.S. as a source of loot is completely foreign to me.

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  130. @Mr. Anon
    If flyover Americans are the East Germans of 21st century America, then perhaps it is due to the fact that the urban elites, like David Brooks, are the Soviet occupiers of 21st century America.

    That’s a good, short riposte.

    Especially since Brooks was born Canadian and raised his son to serve Israel.

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  131. @Achmed E. Newman
    As soon as you wake up, Steve, you should contact Takimag and make sure they have your column. Your link looks OK, as far as it goes (has the 13 character code and # for single-page). However, this article is not on their site at all yet, so the link above goes to the Takimag home page.

    OK, they have the article up, but your link doesn’t go directly to it. It’s #1 though, in order.

    You could delete this and comment # 3, once you’ve got it right.

    Maybe it’d help if you kept some semblance of a normal work schedule ;-}

    Probably Taki is on NY time or maybe Greek time, but I don’t know about his Greeks Geeks who run the web site.

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  132. A very good resource was pointed up in a previous thread by 27yearold which shows that “dying” communities often have hidden life in the form of a second economy based on globalist slavery. This is like a woman blamed for not pleasing her husband, who has eight mistresses, plus a deal with the local police that he can do whatever he wants.

    http://www.h1bdata.info/

    This is like the scene at the beginning of A League Of Their Own where the old lady tells one kid to go easy on his competitor and tells the other to kick his ass.
    It has to be asked, who has ever read a David Brooks column and learned something or changed his mind about something? And Charles Murray’s numerous works are not about how whites need to be exterminated because they are racially inferior; Murray, for all his ritual anti-Trumpism, has been the one establishmentarian talking about Hostile Elites and trying to get leaders to be more sympathetic and engaging with an abandoned people. How did Brooks not notice that? Did he read the book or is he just going off of what he understands the jist to be? It’s not like Brooks is a professor. He could be lying about many things and, as long as he pays ideological dues, he will not only never be doubted, but equally irrelevant Arendists and would-be thought leaders will positively defend him.
    I think Brooks is lying about having read the book because he has an incomprehensibly easy job and nobody in his tiny little echo chamber would ever call him out on a lie like that.

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  133. Working-class whites form the core of a nation that has out-hustled and out-built (and out-fought) all others for about the last two hundred years, which is why the United States of America is the richest, most technologically advanced and militarily powerful state in human history. Scoreboard, bitches.

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  134. @Art Deco
    Brooks is a graduate of the University of Chicago. I've little doubt he has considerable (but still normal-range) intelligence. He's the AP History teacher in an affluent suburban high school. I suspect that his intelligence is in the verbal realm because it simply didn't occur to him (or he studiously avoided) attempting to verify his contentions.

    Williamson is a much angrier man than David Brooks, who is merely supercilious. What gets you about Williamson is that he rants viciously about the shortcomings of domestic wage-earners (caricaturing them all the way, as if his quite hopeless mother were the mode). The wages and benefits of ordinary Americans encompass little in the way of rents. Some public employees are overpaid and underdisciplined, but that's about it. They get what people are willing to offer them. ProPublica has kindly published the IRS 990 forms of your favorite philanthropies, and from that we learn that the trustees of National Review are an extension of its editors, and those editors are looting six figure sums from the endowment, donation, and subscription revenue of the publication to pay themselves absurd salaries. Kevin Williamson writes theatre criticism. Maybe Bosley Crowther earned good coin back in the day doing that, but very few can, just as very few can make a living writing novels (especially novels outside the genres of romance or crime). Kevin Williamson is paid more than the average physician

    Williamson does look like Anton LeVey. If he's a homosexual, his view of public life is certain eccentric for that sort.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/416307/war-private-mind-kevin-d-williamson

    @57 Art Deco: “Williamson is a much angrier man than David Brooks, who is merely supercilious. What gets you about Williamson is that he rants viciously about the shortcomings of domestic wage-earners (caricaturing them all the way, as if his quite hopeless mother were the mode).”

    Williamson’s rage and hatred for working White Americans and rural towns is rooted in the fact that he’s a Mulatto.
    Same as Obama, or Ben Jealous , or any other neither-fish-nor-fowl individual.

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    Williamson’s rage and hatred for working White Americans and rural towns is rooted in the fact that he’s a Mulatto. Same as Obama, or Ben Jealous , or any other neither-fish-nor-fowl individual.

    Not buying. Obama's given to petty spite, but it doesn't have a racial angle. He's manifested class-based contempt, but that's very common if not bog standard for metropolitan professional-managerial types. I doubt he ever experiences rage. I have mulatto relations, FWIW. No, they're not angry; one of them has other notable shortcomings, but those shortcomings have a feminine signature, not a racial signature.
    , @Anonymous
    I didn't realize Kevin Williamson was a mulatto, but I thought he looked kind of black and bore a resemblance to Corey Booker.
    , @Johann Ricke

    Williamson’s rage and hatred for working White Americans and rural towns is rooted in the fact that he’s a Mulatto.
     
    Kevin Williamson's not a mulatto or black in any way. He's just got male pattern baldness, and has decided a complete shave looks better than a toupee or a buzz cut.
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  135. @Art Deco
    Brooks is a graduate of the University of Chicago. I've little doubt he has considerable (but still normal-range) intelligence. He's the AP History teacher in an affluent suburban high school. I suspect that his intelligence is in the verbal realm because it simply didn't occur to him (or he studiously avoided) attempting to verify his contentions.

    Williamson is a much angrier man than David Brooks, who is merely supercilious. What gets you about Williamson is that he rants viciously about the shortcomings of domestic wage-earners (caricaturing them all the way, as if his quite hopeless mother were the mode). The wages and benefits of ordinary Americans encompass little in the way of rents. Some public employees are overpaid and underdisciplined, but that's about it. They get what people are willing to offer them. ProPublica has kindly published the IRS 990 forms of your favorite philanthropies, and from that we learn that the trustees of National Review are an extension of its editors, and those editors are looting six figure sums from the endowment, donation, and subscription revenue of the publication to pay themselves absurd salaries. Kevin Williamson writes theatre criticism. Maybe Bosley Crowther earned good coin back in the day doing that, but very few can, just as very few can make a living writing novels (especially novels outside the genres of romance or crime). Kevin Williamson is paid more than the average physician

    Williamson does look like Anton LeVey. If he's a homosexual, his view of public life is certain eccentric for that sort.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/416307/war-private-mind-kevin-d-williamson

    Williamson is just angry all the time. Struck me when I saw someone retweet his bile-drenched denunciation of State of the Union addresses – it’s one thing to groan at the lameness of all the ritual applause, but to burst a blood vessel in rage over a stupid tradition? He just gets off on loathing.

    He and J-Pod must be great at parties.

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  136. @Alfa158
    What’s changed: The American elites used to be American. Now they’re people who happen to live in America.

    What’s changed: The American elites used to be American. Now they’re people who happen to live in America.

    Americans and American Elites wouldn’t have trusted a member of Brooks’s tribe to become a full privileges member of the American Elite with the power to shape the national conversation.

    But that would be Antisemitism in today’s parlance, which means that you have to permit the Brooks of the world to get on with their (((Semitism))) without comment or question.

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    Americans and American Elites wouldn’t have trusted a member of Brooks’s tribe to become a full privileges member of the American Elite with the power to shape the national conversation.

    MBITRW Judah P. Benjamin and Louis Brandeis were very much welcome in elite circles.
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  137. It’s elitism unfiltered .

    The subtext – hustling defines your value. The better you hustle, the more your worth as a human being.

    This has always been the American Dream.

    Well, it’s a vision of life. I can’t decide for others how to be happy. I think it’s fine – even necessary – for some humans to think this way.

    We need population exchanges. The world’s hustlers can come to America , and people with different values need to be allowed to emigrate .

    The destiny of America was always to become a magnet for the worlds hustlers. It’s noble of Steve to try and make it about other values, but it never was, and never will be.

    Let America be what it intrinsically is – the land of hustlers. Making it something else is a fools dream.

    Just as the world needs an escape valve for its hustlers, America needs an escape valve for those who want different kinds of lives.

    Sweden needs to start accepting refugees from the American Way Of Life, not just war in the Middle East.

    Population exchanges – it’s the only way forward .

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  138. Reiner, for example, sometimes offers to lease his weekend home in Malibu for six figures per month. Outsiders are welcome in Malibu as long as they are the right sort of outsiders.

    OK, how about 50 of us go in on it – just 2 will sign the rental agreement and the rest will be invited to a Weekend Month-at-Bernies type deal (no, I’m not gonna be Bernie). Crowdsourcing, bitchez!

    Really, I’d like to see more of this – I don’t particularly live near any of these types, and I’ve got the family. I wish this stuff was going on while I was single – I was truly ready to raise hell back then.

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  139. @Samuel Skinner

    A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens?
     

    “Though it cost the blood of millions of white men, let it come. Let justice be done.”
     
    -John Quincy Adams

    The closest examples I can think of are the open racism that was once directed at blacks
     
    Racism towards blacks was never this bad; people thought blacks were stupid, violent and immoral. They didn't think that blacks needed to be slaughtered to usher in a golden age. It is the difference between stereotyping (recognizing group differences and having a model of the averages) and eliminationism (we need to kill all of them).

    if they [immigrants] cannot accommodate themselves to the character, moral, political, and physical, of this country, with all its compensating balances of good and evil, the Atlantic is always open to them, to return to the land of their nativity and their fathers.

    John Quincy Adams

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    In his time the US let in millions of the Irish and who didn't exactly accommodate themselves to the country as much as transform it (for good and ill).
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  140. The degree to which these people have positively no affinity, feeling or affection for their fellow Americans never fails to surprise me.

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    I'm pretty sure contempt is a feeling, but I take your point.
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  141. Brooks:

    Why do these non-elite whites hate immigrants if immigrants don’t live among them?

    Also Brooks:

    These immigrants give us the freedom to ignore the problems plaguing non-elite whites, and to eventually replace them.

    Brooks is surely a horrible man in moral terms, but I also believe that he’s truly too stupid to see the connection between his class’s views on immigration and the consequent views of immigration by people not in his class. I really mean that he’s that stupid.

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  142. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    No. They think WASPs are highly intelligent and extremely dangerous. Coupled with a CHOSEN ethno-dogma what emerges from their subconscious is psychotic anger.

    The latest salvo from the WASPs is the dramatic fracking revolution which has loosened our connection to their middle east villainy (a connection nurtured for decades). This is another affront. Another insult from a God who taunts Jews. Hence the epidemic atheism.

    The problem with the WASPs is the continuum from Greece and Rome. The whole damn thing. All of the breakthroughs. All of the genius. It must be blotted out.

    Angry WASP says:
    January 31, 2018 at 3:48 pm GMT • 100 Words
    That has been the quintessential Jewish assumption from the beginning – that White Protestant Americans are all stupid and lazy and deserve to be wiped off the face of the earth.

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    The latest salvo from the WASPs is the dramatic fracking revolution which has loosened our connection to their middle east villainy (a connection nurtured for decades)
     
    This is precisely backwards. Our dependence on middle east oil was used for decades as an argument for why the US should lean to the Arab side by State Dept. WASP Arabists and the James Baker wing of the Republican Party. Now that we no long depend on the Arabs to keep the lights turned on, Trump is MORE free to embrace Israel.

    But, in the mind of an anti-Semite, EVERYTHING is evidence of Jewish perfidy. It was famously said of Henry Adams that when he saw Vesuvius spewing flames he searched for the Jew stoking the fire.
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  143. @Mr. Anon
    If flyover Americans are the East Germans of 21st century America, then perhaps it is due to the fact that the urban elites, like David Brooks, are the Soviet occupiers of 21st century America.

    The people who write for the NY Times and others like them would not hesitate to institute a holodomor against Americans if they had the power to do so. Leftism is compulsion and it is backed up by state agents with guns.

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  144. It is apt he talks about East Germany, because the phrase “elect a new people” came from Brecht and solution to the dealing with an uprising there.

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    It's really sad that Unless genocide was always the motive electing a new people was unnecessary.

    White Americans voted for extreme the left winger Roosevelt again and again. As long as no one uses the word communist, we could've been exactly like the USSR
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  145. @istevefan

    I would guess part of the problem is that the people who are smart and have their shit together tend to leave the rural areas to work in and around the big cities; the people left are more prone to drug abuse.
     
    I think you are correct. Steve has blogged about the Homer Hickams of flyover country leaving to become engineers somewhere else. If this internal brain drain leaves our rural areas devastated, just what do you think is happening to third world nations from which we take their top talent?

    Also, I have heard people make the argument that desegregation decimated the black community by taking away their top talent and leaving behind the underclass.

    I think you are correct. Steve has blogged about the Homer Hickams of flyover country leaving to become engineers somewhere else. If this internal brain drain leaves our rural areas devastated, just what do you think is happening to third world nations from which we take their top talent?

    Again, exurban, small town, and rural areas plug along, non-devastated. The feedback mechanism you’re imagining reaches a ready equilibrium. I don’t think you can demonstrate that departure from the labor force is more common outside metropolitan centers than within them and I think the state-level data suggests the opposite.

    The one part of the country which appears to be an exception exception would be parts of the Great Plains and Rocky Mountains which have been intensely invested in agriculture and ranching and which have no cities of any description within driving distance. See western Kansas, which has suffered relentless demographic decline since 1930 or thereabouts. The thing is, not many people ever lived there to begin with (200,000 perhaps).

    Keep in mind that perhaps 15% of the workforce is to be found in professional-managerial occupations and not all practitioners are working (much less residing) in metropolitan centers. By way of example, 1.67% of the working population are to be found in ‘architecture and engineering occupations’. The share so found in Kansas is 1.7%. Also, some things which are commonly located in large urban globs can function in much smaller centers if management so prefers. The largest employer in the United States has its headquarters in a city with about 70,000 people in it.

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  147. This was a great column, Steve. Be interesting if Brooks read it and didn’t dismiss it as incoherent anti-Semitism like Brooks tried to do with a self-explanatorily satirical email. I suppose I would be as lazy as our inheritor-intellectual caste if, when I dismissed something without reading it, the entire mainstream media and academy would have my back.

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  148. Are these counties marked by high social cohesion, economic dynamism, surging wages and healthy family values? No.

    The definition of “chutzpah” is a man who kills his parents and then pleads for mercy because he is an orphan.

    This is textbook chutzpah. Our elites export working class jobs overseas, overregulate industry and bring in millions of immigrants and then wonder why wages are not surging? Our elites turn popular culture into garbage and destroy the family thru a legal and welfare system that rewards single motherhood and then wonder why social cohesion is not high and family values are not healthy? We all know that ghetto blacks have no agency – if they are doing drugs and committing crimes it is whitey’s fault, but apparently working class whites are fully responsible for their plight.

    Brooks wants more social cohesion – nothing like bring in lots of immigrants to increase social cohesion in a community, right? Brooks should be careful what he asks for because he just might get it. “Social cohesion” among whites is what put Donald Trump in the White House. The LAST thing David Brooks really wants is for whites to socially cohere.

    I am usually willing to give guys like Brooks a break but this is the most cynical pile of crap I have ever heard. F— him and the horse he rode in on.

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    Brooks wants more social cohesion – nothing like bring in lots of immigrants to increase social cohesion in a community, right?

    Just imagine what things would be like if we had brought even more of David Brooks's ancestors over from Poland.

    Hopefully you can see now why so many people have so few regrets about not letting more of them come here.

    I am usually willing to give guys like Brooks a break


    Trust us. We know.
    , @Olorin

    The definition of “chutzpah” is a man who kills his parents and then pleads for mercy because he is an orphan.
     
    More accurately, a man who whips up the animus of others to kill his parents--in this case, a welcoming host society/population--demands clemency for them in the name of Oppression and Mercy, then when his scam is revealed calls you antisemitic and cries Oppression and Mercy for himself.

    I don't bear his horse any ill will however.
    , @istevefan
    well said.
    , @biz
    That was mostly a righteous rant, but what's with this?:

    Our elites turn popular culture into garbage
     
    Brooks and the rest of his peers have zero interest in any popular music or TV other than as an occasional anthropological exercise. Popular culture is what it is because it is what huge numbers of prole people want and are ultimately willing to pay for.
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  149. ….they react with defensive animosity to the immigrants who out-hustle and out-build them. You’d react negatively, too, if confronted with people who are better versions of what you wish you were yourself.

    I went to Minneapolis to rob some people of their money, only to realize I’d been out-hustled by some energetic Somalis.

    Speaking of “out-hustled” and “better versions of what you wish you were yourself”, doesn’t that also apply to the dying newspaper industry and it’s punditry? This from one of David’s recent columns:

    ….the anti-Trump movement, of which I’m a proud member, seems to be getting dumber.

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  150. @Thirdtwin
    "If you start in rural New England and drive down into Appalachia or across into the Upper Midwest you will be driving through county after county with few immigrants..."

    He doesn't get out much, does he? Where does he think Obama hid the immigrants for eight years? Out in the sticks, that's where. In places like Ashboro, NC...

    http://www.illegalaliencrimereport.com/murder/pair-of-dreamers-murdered-man-in-north-carolina/

    I’m realizing more and more that almost by definition, the deep state types never actually visit the sticks, so they have no clue that they’ve already transformed them beyond recognition.

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  151. @Art Deco
    Brooks is a graduate of the University of Chicago. I've little doubt he has considerable (but still normal-range) intelligence. He's the AP History teacher in an affluent suburban high school. I suspect that his intelligence is in the verbal realm because it simply didn't occur to him (or he studiously avoided) attempting to verify his contentions.

    Williamson is a much angrier man than David Brooks, who is merely supercilious. What gets you about Williamson is that he rants viciously about the shortcomings of domestic wage-earners (caricaturing them all the way, as if his quite hopeless mother were the mode). The wages and benefits of ordinary Americans encompass little in the way of rents. Some public employees are overpaid and underdisciplined, but that's about it. They get what people are willing to offer them. ProPublica has kindly published the IRS 990 forms of your favorite philanthropies, and from that we learn that the trustees of National Review are an extension of its editors, and those editors are looting six figure sums from the endowment, donation, and subscription revenue of the publication to pay themselves absurd salaries. Kevin Williamson writes theatre criticism. Maybe Bosley Crowther earned good coin back in the day doing that, but very few can, just as very few can make a living writing novels (especially novels outside the genres of romance or crime). Kevin Williamson is paid more than the average physician

    Williamson does look like Anton LeVey. If he's a homosexual, his view of public life is certain eccentric for that sort.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/416307/war-private-mind-kevin-d-williamson

    Thanks so much for your deconstruction on Brooks Arty. Taki should use it in lieu of Steve’s lost link.

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  152. @Mr. Blank
    I saw this earlier when Rod Dreher posted something about it on his blog. Interestingly, a lot of his commenters — who aren’t exactly iSteve types — immediately noticed that Brooks’ column can be read as an unstated but implied attack on black Americans.

    A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens? I don’t mean behind closed doors — I mean stuff they were happy to say out loud in public. The closest examples I can think of are the open racism that was once directed at blacks — which doesn’t portend well for the future... :(

    Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens?

    I’m not sure they “feel comfortable” so much as they feel entitled. Which may be a form of comfort, particularly when coupled with a salary paid by far richer people who supply that incentive. Why should David Brooks feel any concern whatever about expressing disdain for people who can’t do anything for him? His own Smart Set has no use for them except as a butt of jokes and foil for political bickering.

    Is David Brooks “elite” (more on that in a moment), or just in consistent form as holder of the expensive megaphone?

    We use the term (or used to) “broadcast media.” “Broadcast” was coined by midwestern radio guys, engineers at Land Grant campuses. It meant a signal sent out to a wide public rather than a narrower, private stream of information.

    Earle Terry (adviser to Cyril Jansky) and Edward Bennett (a student of Reginald Fessenden) at the UW-Madison physics department started today’s WHA (as 9XM) prior to WWI. Other midwest campuses started broadcasting around that time, mostly weather reports intended to help farmers plan their fieldwork. Point being, the roots of radio in the US are very much heartland and rural.

    https://wcftr.commarts.wisc.edu/exhibits/radio-pioneers-madison/radio-experimentation-university-wisconsin

    https://wcftr.commarts.wisc.edu/exhibits/radio-pioneers-madison/radio-experimentation-university-wisconsin/cyril-jansky

    “Media” implies a sluice that exists merely to pass along ideas from one set of people to another–the latter larger, given “broadcasting” and its reach.

    But “media” quickly developed a sort of riffle splitter quality, separating out different kinds of ideas and directing them in a narrowcast manner to target audiences.

    This more mercantile definition was decades underway by the 1960s when marketing researchers and broadcasters invented and reified the “Baby Boomer” concept. “Broadcasting” as a bicoastal phenomenon was designed to create, sell to, and profit from the identification, lathing, and exploitation of audience segments and the invention of products to sell them.

    The chattering class we will have with us always, and it’s not a good idea in any event to use the circumlocution “elite” when what we’re referring to is something rather more concrete and identifiable. David Brooks is Jewish, and Jews always feel superior to everyone in their host countries.

    On that note, take a look at where the history of broadcasting falls in the current panoply of exhibits by UW-Madison’s Center for Film and Theater Research:

    https://wcftr.commarts.wisc.edu/exhibits

    That’s a lot of parentheses. But official stewards of memory are quickly moving to erase anything but the late 20th century (post Jewish immigration) history of everything. As late as the 1990s you could visit the original radio shack at UW-Madison and go see 9XM’s spark gap transmitter tube (Vilas Hall iirc). There was a quietly monastic radio history underground who would pass these things along to those who expressed quietly monastic interest. I suppose by now the radio shack is serving as a tranny panic room and the tube smashed in the name of Black Lives Matter or something.

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  153. @ic1000
    > A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens?

    My impression as a baby boomer and as a reader of popular histories is that current elite contempt-and-hatred would have been career-ending for any mainstream politician, Democrat or Republican, during the '70s, '80s, or '90s.

    My impression as a baby boomer and as a reader of popular histories is that current elite contempt-and-hatred would have been career-ending for any mainstream politician, Democrat or Republican, during the ’70s, ’80s, or ’90s.

    It was out there, if your eyes were open, in some of the more prominent pop-culture artifacts of the 80′s. John Hughes, lace-curtain Irishman son a business executive who grew up in the poshest of Chicago suburbs, made a couple of films centered around the terrors of barbarian white America outside the little bubble of his Gold Coast demimonde.

    FAMILY VACATION and TRAINS, PLANES, AUTOMOBILES are basically a comedy of manners about how grubby, unpleasant, and dangerous the white hinterlands are. Randy Quaid’s gross, mooching, backwoods Cousin Eddie. Scary heavy metal-satanist gypsy cab drivers. Unpleasant, slovenly independent motel owners. I lived this, BTW, and vividly remember the wild variations in roadside lodging quality that was the norm in the 70′s and 80′s. Beds with Shroud of Turin-thick layers of dust on their covers; giant cockroaches; room HVAC systems that had only a 50% chance of functioning in the white-owned independent and even white-franchised smaller chain motel systems.

    One telling scene in FAMILY VACATION was when Chevy Chase drives the station wagon off a mesa and almost totals it. He does get it repaired, but has to basically empty his wallet to do so. What’s interesting about the scene is the hostility of the hick white mechanics he’s shown paying off. Normally in these sorts of road comedies the setup comes with the main characters losing their wallets and not being able to pay for essential services. In this case Chevy DOES have the money, but the mechanics can’t get over what a stupid, city-slickin’, rich a$$hole his character must be for running his car off a cliff, and the scene has the definite between-the-lines tension of the mechanics wondering if they shouldn’t teach ol’ Clark Griswold a lesson in the form of beating him up (and maybe sexually assaulting him in the bargain) for being such a pathetic little rich-boy punk.

    Once the browning of America got underway in earnest in the 90′s, though (as well as mega corporate consolidation) all that was taken care of. Motels started to have consistent quality thanks to the battalions of Central American peon-labor cleaning ladies serving them. More and more blue collar trade work too. Steve mentioned how upper middle class rich-boy preppies must secretly appreciate now dealing with silent-as-a-stone Mestizo laborers and contractors instead of more socially-akin, rougher white blue collar types who can talk back and challenge their masculinity and I have to admit I resemble this remark. I have a YUGE white handyman I’ve been using for years; nice guy, but he definitely pulls male dominance moves on occasion- like asking me what beer is left in the fridge at the end of a job.

    So, yeah, according to Brooks the real hero of TRAINS PLANES & AUTOMOBILES is Steve Martin’s uptight white collar prick characters, who can finally breathe free now that opioids are erasing all the John Candy/Dell Griffin types from the face of the earth.

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    Motels started to have consistent quality thanks to the battalions of Central American peon-labor cleaning ladies serving them.
     
    Also all the (d0t not feather) Indians who now own them. But this sounds like an argument for immigration - that's a no-no around here.

    I think younger folks don't really understand how Malaise Era (cira Jimmy Carter) America really was on the way to become a shitty country. Not as shitty as Haiti but still markedly on the decline. Times Square full of peep shows and 3rd string movie theaters that homeless people used as a place to sleep. Negro slums within sight of the White House and the rest of DC a sleepy Southern backwater. New cars that would turn to unreliable rust buckets in a couple of years assembled by indifferent auto workers. Subways covered in graffitti on every surface.
    , @biz
    Great comment.

    Also that scene in Blues Brothers where they go to the bar full of rowdy rioting hicks, where they "have both kinds of music - Country and Western."

    In the 70s and 80s there was definitely a strong cultural suspicion of the white working class, not entirely undeserved.
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  154. Replace blacks with Mexicans? Hell yes. Exhibit 1, Chicago. Saved the damn place. Great idea.

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    Compton Inglewood and miles and miles of Los Angeles have been made liveable again by Hispanic immigration.
    But, Hispanics get affirmative action so they are a judicially created enemy of Whites.
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  155. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Are these counties marked by high social cohesion, economic dynamism, surging wages and healthy family values? No.
     
    The definition of "chutzpah" is a man who kills his parents and then pleads for mercy because he is an orphan.

    This is textbook chutzpah. Our elites export working class jobs overseas, overregulate industry and bring in millions of immigrants and then wonder why wages are not surging? Our elites turn popular culture into garbage and destroy the family thru a legal and welfare system that rewards single motherhood and then wonder why social cohesion is not high and family values are not healthy? We all know that ghetto blacks have no agency - if they are doing drugs and committing crimes it is whitey's fault, but apparently working class whites are fully responsible for their plight.

    Brooks wants more social cohesion - nothing like bring in lots of immigrants to increase social cohesion in a community, right? Brooks should be careful what he asks for because he just might get it. "Social cohesion" among whites is what put Donald Trump in the White House. The LAST thing David Brooks really wants is for whites to socially cohere.

    I am usually willing to give guys like Brooks a break but this is the most cynical pile of crap I have ever heard. F--- him and the horse he rode in on.

    Brooks wants more social cohesion – nothing like bring in lots of immigrants to increase social cohesion in a community, right?

    Just imagine what things would be like if we had brought even more of David Brooks’s ancestors over from Poland.

    Hopefully you can see now why so many people have so few regrets about not letting more of them come here.

    I am usually willing to give guys like Brooks a break

    Trust us. We know.

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  156. That Takimag response is a masterpiece. In a sane world, it’d be understood to be such a knockout that Brooks would go silent for a few weeks.

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  157. @3g4me
    @57 Art Deco: "Williamson is a much angrier man than David Brooks, who is merely supercilious. What gets you about Williamson is that he rants viciously about the shortcomings of domestic wage-earners (caricaturing them all the way, as if his quite hopeless mother were the mode)."

    Williamson's rage and hatred for working White Americans and rural towns is rooted in the fact that he's a Mulatto.
    Same as Obama, or Ben Jealous , or any other neither-fish-nor-fowl individual.

    Williamson’s rage and hatred for working White Americans and rural towns is rooted in the fact that he’s a Mulatto. Same as Obama, or Ben Jealous , or any other neither-fish-nor-fowl individual.

    Not buying. Obama’s given to petty spite, but it doesn’t have a racial angle. He’s manifested class-based contempt, but that’s very common if not bog standard for metropolitan professional-managerial types. I doubt he ever experiences rage. I have mulatto relations, FWIW. No, they’re not angry; one of them has other notable shortcomings, but those shortcomings have a feminine signature, not a racial signature.

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  158. @istevefan

    I would guess part of the problem is that the people who are smart and have their shit together tend to leave the rural areas to work in and around the big cities; the people left are more prone to drug abuse.
     
    I think you are correct. Steve has blogged about the Homer Hickams of flyover country leaving to become engineers somewhere else. If this internal brain drain leaves our rural areas devastated, just what do you think is happening to third world nations from which we take their top talent?

    Also, I have heard people make the argument that desegregation decimated the black community by taking away their top talent and leaving behind the underclass.

    There has always been brain drain from the countryside to the big cities since the dawn of civilization and certainly throughout American history. Henry Ford was a farm boy. There are some very bright farm boys who stay home because farms themselves have become sophisticated businesses but a lot of the bright ones take off for university and never go back. Not much call for rocket scientists in rural N. Dakota or W. Virginia. That’s a natural and appropriate process.

    But, the people who stayed behind didn’t used to be drug addicts. Other things have changed – big Pharma pushing prescription opiates. Mexican drug dealers in every small town selling cheap heroin when the prescription opiates get to be too expensive. Now even cheaper Chinese fentanyl to kill you with an overdose. No more jobs in the mines. Your wife divorces you because she can do just as well collecting child support and welfare as taking care of your sorry ass. Etc. The brain drain has nothing to do with it.

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    Again, the states with the highest employment-to-population ratios are as follows:

    North Dakota.............
    Nebraska.................
    Iowa.....................
    South Dakota.............
    Minnesota................
    New Hampshire............
    Utah.....................
    District of Columbia.....
    Wisconsin................
    Kansas...................
    Wyoming..................
    Vermont..................

    The states with the lowest homicide rates:

    Maine
    New Hampshire
    North Dakota
    Vermont
    Wyoming
    Idaho
    Massachusetts
    Rhode Island
    Minnesota
    Utah
    Connecticut




    The states with the lowest robbery rates are as follows:

    Wyoming
    Idaho
    Vermont
    Maine
    North Dakota
    Montana
    South Dakota
    New Hampshire
    Iowa
    West Virginia
    Nebraska
    Utah


    With the lowest rate of forcible rape:

    New Jersey
    Connecticut
    North Carolina
    Vermont
    Maryland
    Maine
    Massachusetts
    New York
    Delaware
    Virginia
    Georgia
    Wisconsin


    And the lowest rate of overdose deaths:

    Nebraska
    South Dakota
    Texas
    Iowa
    North Dakota
    Kansas
    California
    Montana
    Oregon
    Mississippi
    Minnesota
    Hawaii


    There's some interesting differences in the comparative frequency of different sorts of pathology. I cannot figure, though, why dispersed populations are associated with anomie in some people's minds.
    , @Art Deco
    About 1.67% of the whole population is employed in 'Architecture and Engineering Occupations'. In each state listed, the share is as follows:

    Maine: 1.61%
    New Hampshire: 2.0%
    Vermont: 1.96%
    West Virginia: 1.24%
    Mississippi: 1.34%
    North Dakota: 1.59%
    South Dakota: 1.16%
    Montana: 1.49%
    Wyoming: 1.76%

    There is some quantum of sophisticated employment available just about anywhere. Not one of the states on that list has a city therein with more than about 170,000 people living in it.
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  159. @Jack D

    Are these counties marked by high social cohesion, economic dynamism, surging wages and healthy family values? No.
     
    The definition of "chutzpah" is a man who kills his parents and then pleads for mercy because he is an orphan.

    This is textbook chutzpah. Our elites export working class jobs overseas, overregulate industry and bring in millions of immigrants and then wonder why wages are not surging? Our elites turn popular culture into garbage and destroy the family thru a legal and welfare system that rewards single motherhood and then wonder why social cohesion is not high and family values are not healthy? We all know that ghetto blacks have no agency - if they are doing drugs and committing crimes it is whitey's fault, but apparently working class whites are fully responsible for their plight.

    Brooks wants more social cohesion - nothing like bring in lots of immigrants to increase social cohesion in a community, right? Brooks should be careful what he asks for because he just might get it. "Social cohesion" among whites is what put Donald Trump in the White House. The LAST thing David Brooks really wants is for whites to socially cohere.

    I am usually willing to give guys like Brooks a break but this is the most cynical pile of crap I have ever heard. F--- him and the horse he rode in on.

    The definition of “chutzpah” is a man who kills his parents and then pleads for mercy because he is an orphan.

    More accurately, a man who whips up the animus of others to kill his parents–in this case, a welcoming host society/population–demands clemency for them in the name of Oppression and Mercy, then when his scam is revealed calls you antisemitic and cries Oppression and Mercy for himself.

    I don’t bear his horse any ill will however.

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  160. @Mr. Blank
    I saw this earlier when Rod Dreher posted something about it on his blog. Interestingly, a lot of his commenters — who aren’t exactly iSteve types — immediately noticed that Brooks’ column can be read as an unstated but implied attack on black Americans.

    A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens? I don’t mean behind closed doors — I mean stuff they were happy to say out loud in public. The closest examples I can think of are the open racism that was once directed at blacks — which doesn’t portend well for the future... :(

    A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens?

    The problem is that so many of the (((elites))) do not regard Americans as “fellow citizens” when they have dual citizenship with Israel, and, in the case of Brooks, their sons are in the IDF instead of the U.S. Army.

    Brooks’s contemptuous sneering at white Americans echoes that of his fellow M.O.T., William Kristol, who also advocated replacement of the white working class with brown immigrants.

    Jewish coastal elites write this kind of incendiary trash about Americans, and then they can’t figure out why people are “anti-Semitic.”

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    Bill Kristol's son joined the US Marines after graduating from Harvard.
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  161. @3g4me
    @57 Art Deco: "Williamson is a much angrier man than David Brooks, who is merely supercilious. What gets you about Williamson is that he rants viciously about the shortcomings of domestic wage-earners (caricaturing them all the way, as if his quite hopeless mother were the mode)."

    Williamson's rage and hatred for working White Americans and rural towns is rooted in the fact that he's a Mulatto.
    Same as Obama, or Ben Jealous , or any other neither-fish-nor-fowl individual.

    I didn’t realize Kevin Williamson was a mulatto, but I thought he looked kind of black and bore a resemblance to Corey Booker.

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  162. David Brooks promised to go out to the American hinterlands after Trumpening and rediscover his fellow citizens. It’d be interesting to know if this column is the result of that, or if it didn’t happen.

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    I don't think he read the books he claimed to read, I don't think he strayed on step from his usual grime stains, and I don't think I can be proven wrong. Has he got a timestamped photograph from Poughkeepsie?
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  163. That particular genre of people, as represented by Brooks, Boot, and Stephens, continue their psychological operations in the race war. They will be the ministers of truth who will lead their Black bodies army against the White dragon when the war becomes inescapable.

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  164. OT Women find their voice

    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/158713122

    German women are starting a movement and a hashtag #120db to combat and expose migrant rapes and abuse. The real #metoo.
    This is a great idea and it should be supported, its a very smart way to redpill women on migrants.

    db = decibels as in the supposed loudness of the post-Cologne rape whistles issued by the rape-enabling government

    Know what upsets people like David Brooks? Protecting women from rape upsets people like David Brooks.

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  165. @Lugash
    David Brooks promised to go out to the American hinterlands after Trumpening and rediscover his fellow citizens. It'd be interesting to know if this column is the result of that, or if it didn't happen.

    I don’t think he read the books he claimed to read, I don’t think he strayed on step from his usual grime stains, and I don’t think I can be proven wrong. Has he got a timestamped photograph from Poughkeepsie?

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  166. @Anonymous
    No. They think WASPs are highly intelligent and extremely dangerous. Coupled with a CHOSEN ethno-dogma what emerges from their subconscious is psychotic anger.

    The latest salvo from the WASPs is the dramatic fracking revolution which has loosened our connection to their middle east villainy (a connection nurtured for decades). This is another affront. Another insult from a God who taunts Jews. Hence the epidemic atheism.

    The problem with the WASPs is the continuum from Greece and Rome. The whole damn thing. All of the breakthroughs. All of the genius. It must be blotted out.

    Angry WASP says:
    January 31, 2018 at 3:48 pm GMT • 100 Words
    That has been the quintessential Jewish assumption from the beginning – that White Protestant Americans are all stupid and lazy and deserve to be wiped off the face of the earth.

    The latest salvo from the WASPs is the dramatic fracking revolution which has loosened our connection to their middle east villainy (a connection nurtured for decades)

    This is precisely backwards. Our dependence on middle east oil was used for decades as an argument for why the US should lean to the Arab side by State Dept. WASP Arabists and the James Baker wing of the Republican Party. Now that we no long depend on the Arabs to keep the lights turned on, Trump is MORE free to embrace Israel.

    But, in the mind of an anti-Semite, EVERYTHING is evidence of Jewish perfidy. It was famously said of Henry Adams that when he saw Vesuvius spewing flames he searched for the Jew stoking the fire.

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    Truly ridiculous, when it comes to USA leaning towards a particular side, there is one that wins it by a million miles, and it's not the Arab side. The Middle East is absolutely evidence of perfidy, to deny who benefits and who does not is beyond argument.
    , @anon
    But, in the mind of an anti-Semite, EVERYTHING is evidence of Jewish perfidy.

    Perhaps because, in the mind of perfidious Joos, EVERYTHING is anti-Semitism, and we're getting a little tired of listening to it.

    Remember that time you told that ridiculous story your grandmother told you about southerners asking her about her Jewish horns? And how we pointed out all the reasons that it was a ridiculous story, but you still refused to believe that there was any reason to doubt your grandmother except anti-Semitism?

    Do you think that you are making the best case for Jewish non-perfidy, Jack? I mean, honestly.
    , @nebulafox
    "**** the Jews, they don't vote for us anyway."

    Jim Baker, 1991, on his reasoning for pushing forward with the Madrid Conference.

    Given Saudi Arabia and Israel's tacit alliance, anyway, one might question the premise of having to choose.

    , @L Woods

    It was famously said of Henry Adams that when he saw Vesuvius spewing flames he searched for the Jew stoking the fire.
     
    ...well, did he find him?
    , @Corn
    “It was famously said of Henry Adams that when he saw Vesuvius spewing flames he searched for the Jew stoking the fire.”

    Sadly there’s a hard core of 5-10% of iSteve commenters who’d do the same.
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  167. @syonredux

    if they [immigrants] cannot accommodate themselves to the character, moral, political, and physical, of this country, with all its compensating balances of good and evil, the Atlantic is always open to them, to return to the land of their nativity and their fathers.
     
    John Quincy Adams

    In his time the US let in millions of the Irish and who didn’t exactly accommodate themselves to the country as much as transform it (for good and ill).

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    In his time the US let in millions of the Irish and who didn’t exactly accommodate themselves to the country as much as transform it (for good and ill).
     
    Can't blame JQA for the fact that people wouldn't follow his lead. Another anecdote: someone once asked JQA to address some German immigrants in their own language (JQA spoke German). He refused, said that that would be pandering....
    , @Alden
    The New England mill
    Owners and Boston capitalists didn’t care if the Irish accommodated themselves to America or not.

    They wanted cheap cheaper cheapest labor. They didn’t want their fellow old American Protestants of English descent working in their mills and homes. They might demand $20.00 a year more higher wages.

    They got cheap Irish for a generation or so. Their mistake was believing the English who claimed the Irish were dumb enough to be docile slaves forever.

    That’s the history of America. The elites import cheap labor and use the new comers to create strife. It started in 1619. It will never end.
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  168. Charles Murray’s thesis was that the knowledge class was becoming a separate caste with its own sectarian interests, which were opposed to the under-represented majority, and the country was becoming unstable as a result.

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  169. @Forbes

    Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens?
     
    Nope. It used to be making jokes or poking light-hearted (or not so light) fun at, say, rednecks. Now it's open contempt and disgust for flyover country and middle America.

    I live in NYC, and it's a regular feature I hear from people far from the "elite," as when "elites" say it, it gives everyone else permission to say it.

    When you live on the receiving end of ridiculous policies, laws, and social experiments generated disproportionately by NYC’ers, whose scalability outside of Manhattan island is low, yeah, that’s the compensation- you get to say it. It’s the stand-in word for the critique we’d like to have aired, but can’t. Enjoy the asymmetry.

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  170. The moderation on this site has gotten out of control. It’s impossible to follow conversational threads and responses and new comments.

    I get this is the New Politics Of Pettiness where it’s cool to censor anyone you dont like for even minor reasons and people don’t think its pathetic and weak, and the goal is to create an Echo Chamber. New world, new rules.

    But why not just ban outright the many people who mildly disagree with you Steve instead of all this effort to rearrange comments and delay them?

    The the approved people can at least be folllowed.

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  171. A truck has collided with a train carrying Republican lawmakers. This is completely unrelated to the guy who shot up a Republican lawmaker baseball practice, or the several Republican lawmakers who have announced that they will not seek re-election, or the fact that there is no comparable phenomenon afflicting Democrats.

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  172. @Abe

    My impression as a baby boomer and as a reader of popular histories is that current elite contempt-and-hatred would have been career-ending for any mainstream politician, Democrat or Republican, during the ’70s, ’80s, or ’90s.
     
    It was out there, if your eyes were open, in some of the more prominent pop-culture artifacts of the 80's. John Hughes, lace-curtain Irishman son a business executive who grew up in the poshest of Chicago suburbs, made a couple of films centered around the terrors of barbarian white America outside the little bubble of his Gold Coast demimonde.

    FAMILY VACATION and TRAINS, PLANES, AUTOMOBILES are basically a comedy of manners about how grubby, unpleasant, and dangerous the white hinterlands are. Randy Quaid's gross, mooching, backwoods Cousin Eddie. Scary heavy metal-satanist gypsy cab drivers. Unpleasant, slovenly independent motel owners. I lived this, BTW, and vividly remember the wild variations in roadside lodging quality that was the norm in the 70's and 80's. Beds with Shroud of Turin-thick layers of dust on their covers; giant cockroaches; room HVAC systems that had only a 50% chance of functioning in the white-owned independent and even white-franchised smaller chain motel systems.

    One telling scene in FAMILY VACATION was when Chevy Chase drives the station wagon off a mesa and almost totals it. He does get it repaired, but has to basically empty his wallet to do so. What's interesting about the scene is the hostility of the hick white mechanics he's shown paying off. Normally in these sorts of road comedies the setup comes with the main characters losing their wallets and not being able to pay for essential services. In this case Chevy DOES have the money, but the mechanics can't get over what a stupid, city-slickin', rich a$$hole his character must be for running his car off a cliff, and the scene has the definite between-the-lines tension of the mechanics wondering if they shouldn't teach ol' Clark Griswold a lesson in the form of beating him up (and maybe sexually assaulting him in the bargain) for being such a pathetic little rich-boy punk.

    Once the browning of America got underway in earnest in the 90's, though (as well as mega corporate consolidation) all that was taken care of. Motels started to have consistent quality thanks to the battalions of Central American peon-labor cleaning ladies serving them. More and more blue collar trade work too. Steve mentioned how upper middle class rich-boy preppies must secretly appreciate now dealing with silent-as-a-stone Mestizo laborers and contractors instead of more socially-akin, rougher white blue collar types who can talk back and challenge their masculinity and I have to admit I resemble this remark. I have a YUGE white handyman I've been using for years; nice guy, but he definitely pulls male dominance moves on occasion- like asking me what beer is left in the fridge at the end of a job.

    So, yeah, according to Brooks the real hero of TRAINS PLANES & AUTOMOBILES is Steve Martin's uptight white collar prick characters, who can finally breathe free now that opioids are erasing all the John Candy/Dell Griffin types from the face of the earth.

    Motels started to have consistent quality thanks to the battalions of Central American peon-labor cleaning ladies serving them.

    Also all the (d0t not feather) Indians who now own them. But this sounds like an argument for immigration – that’s a no-no around here.

    I think younger folks don’t really understand how Malaise Era (cira Jimmy Carter) America really was on the way to become a shitty country. Not as shitty as Haiti but still markedly on the decline. Times Square full of peep shows and 3rd string movie theaters that homeless people used as a place to sleep. Negro slums within sight of the White House and the rest of DC a sleepy Southern backwater. New cars that would turn to unreliable rust buckets in a couple of years assembled by indifferent auto workers. Subways covered in graffitti on every surface.

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    The sub-continentals buy motels with grants based on not being white paid for by white tax payers. It has nothing to do with them being better at running motels than us.
    , @WUBear
    Yes, some immigration was a good thing relative to 1970's America. The cars made during that time were horrible.

    However, we have overshot the optimum level and are now heading into very destructive numbers.

    , @Art Deco
    I think younger folks don’t really understand how Malaise Era (cira Jimmy Carter) America really was on the way to become a shitty country. Not as shitty as Haiti but still markedly on the decline. Times Square full of peep shows and 3rd string movie theaters that homeless people used as a place to sleep. Negro slums within sight of the White House and the rest of DC a sleepy Southern backwater. New cars that would turn to unreliable rust buckets in a couple of years assembled by indifferent auto workers. Subways covered in graffitti on every surface.

    None of what you're referring to has anything to do with immigration streams, even the quality of motels (which were satisfactory any place I stayed during that decade). Neither has DC been a sleepy Southern backwater at any time in the post-bellum era.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    For once (haha) I don't agree, Jack D. It was a rough period true, and the high inflation that had been started with the US dollar going off the gold and silver standard was the reason for that. Jimmy Carter didn't help, but he was just president, with less power back then, IMO, as the Feral Gov was still smaller*.

    The difference between than and today is that the US still manufactured stuff, or created wealth, for almost all of America and lots of the world. That was changing in the 1970's already but, just like, as the 1965 immigration act took quite a while to even be noticed in terms of effects, manufacturing hadn't taken it's biggest hits yet (some electronics, i.e, cameras, and cars from Japan).

    It's just economics I'm writing about here, not the overall culture like the condition of NY City. When/where I was a kid nobody gave a damn about NY City - Oh, even President Ford - Ford to NY - DROP DEAD!" (what, around '76, I think.)

    * but getting larger quickly with Jimmy's Dept. of BIG ED, as a payback for votes from the teacher's unions. Yeah, I have a big problem with government education, especially just today.
    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Also all the (d0t not feather) Indians who now own them. But this sounds like an argument for immigration – that’s a no-no around here.
     
    Have you perhaps thought that this has something to do with the indentured servitude system that the dot Indians have set up via chain migration and arranged marriages in which U.S. labor and employment law is wholly disregarded? Having a few slaves to work the front desk around the clock (or the mini mart) is a real competitive advantage, isn't it?

    How many of these alleged advantages of immigrants are anarcho-tyranny in action when you scratch just past the shiny surface of gauzy immigrant success stories?
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  173. @Jack D

    The latest salvo from the WASPs is the dramatic fracking revolution which has loosened our connection to their middle east villainy (a connection nurtured for decades)
     
    This is precisely backwards. Our dependence on middle east oil was used for decades as an argument for why the US should lean to the Arab side by State Dept. WASP Arabists and the James Baker wing of the Republican Party. Now that we no long depend on the Arabs to keep the lights turned on, Trump is MORE free to embrace Israel.

    But, in the mind of an anti-Semite, EVERYTHING is evidence of Jewish perfidy. It was famously said of Henry Adams that when he saw Vesuvius spewing flames he searched for the Jew stoking the fire.

    Truly ridiculous, when it comes to USA leaning towards a particular side, there is one that wins it by a million miles, and it’s not the Arab side. The Middle East is absolutely evidence of perfidy, to deny who benefits and who does not is beyond argument.

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  174. When I was a kid an old white guy pointed out to me a trashy white guy hanging out in the street corner. He told me, “That’s a whigger. They are the lowest of the low in America. No one is worse than a whigger.”

    I suspect this is the same feeling David Brooks has towards working class whites. No matter how low blacks, Muslims and other groups go there is a feeling that they cannot help it due to racism, white supremacy whatever. But a white guy whose unsuccessful is a LOSER. He’s wasted his potential and doesn’t deserve sympathy. On the contrary, he needs to be crushed as punishment for being so mediocre.

    Brooks is not implying immigrants are better version of blacks. He is saying that lower class whites are unworthy of being Americans and more virtuous immigrants needs to supplant them.

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    jimi, sort of funny that Brooks should decide who is an American but people on the right can't.
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  175. @Malcolm X-Lax
    The degree to which these people have positively no affinity, feeling or affection for their fellow Americans never fails to surprise me.

    I’m pretty sure contempt is a feeling, but I take your point.

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  176. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    The latest salvo from the WASPs is the dramatic fracking revolution which has loosened our connection to their middle east villainy (a connection nurtured for decades)
     
    This is precisely backwards. Our dependence on middle east oil was used for decades as an argument for why the US should lean to the Arab side by State Dept. WASP Arabists and the James Baker wing of the Republican Party. Now that we no long depend on the Arabs to keep the lights turned on, Trump is MORE free to embrace Israel.

    But, in the mind of an anti-Semite, EVERYTHING is evidence of Jewish perfidy. It was famously said of Henry Adams that when he saw Vesuvius spewing flames he searched for the Jew stoking the fire.

    But, in the mind of an anti-Semite, EVERYTHING is evidence of Jewish perfidy.

    Perhaps because, in the mind of perfidious Joos, EVERYTHING is anti-Semitism, and we’re getting a little tired of listening to it.

    Remember that time you told that ridiculous story your grandmother told you about southerners asking her about her Jewish horns? And how we pointed out all the reasons that it was a ridiculous story, but you still refused to believe that there was any reason to doubt your grandmother except anti-Semitism?

    Do you think that you are making the best case for Jewish non-perfidy, Jack? I mean, honestly.

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    I was listening to This American Life and came across a very telling example of what you describe. The tldr is that at a Jewish summer camp in Wisconsin (probably in the 60s or 70s), they staged a Klan rally to scare to kids.

    The first year I went, I was 10 years old. And that was a kind of a fluke, because my parents were very committed left-wingers, and they wouldn't let me join the Girl Scouts because my mother called them a bunch of little brown shirts. And they wouldn't let me go to a fashionable summer camp, because they didn't believe in fashion. So my father asked a friend where his kids went, and his kids went to this very left wing, Zionist camp. And so they got me in.

    But we had one day at lunch time, a rock came through the window of the dining hall, and it landed in my soup, and there was a note wrapped around the rock. And it said, we don't want no Jew camps in Wisconsin. And so of course, being a highly political group of people, they got together and they had discussions and they went on and on. And they posted guards. We had to paint our faces black so we wouldn't show up at night and so on.



    And so a bunch of us were sitting in the dining hall, and somebody said, look, out on the lawn. And there was this large cross burning out on the lawn of the campgrounds. And these people came in, and they were all wearing white sheets, and they had these white things over their heads like pillowcases, and they made us all go outside. And there was another guy in a white sheet and a white pillowcase riding up and down on a horse. And they started to yell at us that they wanted the lousy Jews out of Wisconsin, and that they didn't want no Jew camps in Wisconsin. And they said, don't bother trying to call the authorities, because in this neck of the woods, we are the authorities.

    And everybody was just petrified. And we all stood around shaking in our boots. And all of a sudden, one of the counselors said, I'm an American citizen. You can't treat me like this. So two of the guys in sheets grabbed him by the arms and marched him away. And another counselor said, I'm an American citizen. You can't treat us like this. And pretty soon, all the counselors were being marched away, and we were all left there. And I got really frightened.

    So I went, I'm an American citizen too. And somebody came over in a white sheet and took me down towards the beach. And as he was marching me down to the beach he said to me, Adina, couldn't you have kept your big mouth shut? And it was all a political lesson that we were supposed to be learning.
     
    https://www.thisamericanlife.org/109/notes-on-camp
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  177. @Alfa158
    What’s changed: The American elites used to be American. Now they’re people who happen to live in America.

    To that point, this was picked up on the declining fortunes and civic prowess of the LA Times:

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/us/los-angeles-times.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fus&action=click&contentCollection=us&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront&referer=https://www.nytimes.com/section/us

    The region has become increasingly economically and ethnically diverse, a challenge for any political or civic leader looking to unify a community. And this is a relatively young city, filled with recent arrivals who do not have the history of the kind of old-line families who have defined civic foundations in established cities like Boston and Philadelphia.

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    Do they have a Spanish edition yet?
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  178. @Alfa158
    What’s changed: The American elites used to be American. Now they’re people who happen to live in America.

    So elite they send their sons to join the armed forces of other countries.

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  179. @neutral
    It is apt he talks about East Germany, because the phrase "elect a new people" came from Brecht and solution to the dealing with an uprising there.

    It’s really sad that Unless genocide was always the motive electing a new people was unnecessary.

    White Americans voted for extreme the left winger Roosevelt again and again. As long as no one uses the word communist, we could’ve been exactly like the USSR

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  180. @Luke Lea
    How many pundits have made this same argument as Brooks? I know William Kristol has. It betrays a shocking lack of empathy for the less fortunate, but only if they are white. Do they write about the impact of low-skilled immigrants on black wages and unemployment?

    Let's face it: what we see here is the lingering anti-Gentilism of a few highly-influential Ashkenazi Americans, which is deeply rooted in ancestral memories (false memories when it comes to Anglo-Protestant Americans) of anti-Semitism in the Old-World.

    The fact that their upper-middle-class children and grandchildren are not threatened by — indeed benefit very handsomely from — free mobility of labor and capital in an economically lopsided world, needs to also be taken into account. Or do they imagine themselves immune from ordinary human self-interest as well as suppressed feelings of resentment and a schadenfreudish spirit of revenge?

    One last question: will attitudes change when they realize that anti-Semitism is rife in these new immigrant groups, Hispanic and Asian alike, whose demographic explosion may undermine American popular support for the state of Israel? Probably not, but other, wiser and more prudent of their co-ethnics may rise in their stead, of which Stephen Miller is a harbinger. Let us hope this is true.

    The situation for Jews is more dire in France in that their children are now openly assaulted in the streets. I don’t think French Jews are rushing to embrace Le Pen. I believe the major French rabbis still reserve most of their venom for ethnic French racists for example.

    Jews have this fatalism thing going on as a group. So I don’t think you’ll see many changes in their politics as a result of Hispanic anti-semitism. Asian anti-semitism isn’t really a thing.

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    >Asian anti-semitism
    I have come across numerous examples of it in all regions and class levels (the old joke about Jews eating frequently at Chinese restaurants comes from the trope of Jew inner city landlords owning the restaurant), seen it in all forms of media, and heard Chinese immigrants griping about the mercilessness of Jews who themselves had been immigrants. Maybe those were all one-offs.
    A Korean book that described success in America as hindered by a Jewish Wall got slammed by Abraham Cooper's outfit. It's there but they's Asians so they're not going to invite a pointless fight.
    And East Asians and Jews are near-perfect competitors so conflict is coming one way or the other.
    , @adreng
    The Front National will not easily become popular among French Jews because it has an antisemtic past, and although Marine Le Pen has distanced herself from antisemitism, the party as a whole is hardly free from antisemitism. But in general, in European countries, a significant part of Jews now seem to support more restrictive immigration policies. The situation in Europe is quite different from the one in the US. A large part of immigrants to the EU from outside (not counting migration within the EU from one country to the other) it is from Muslim countries, and anti-Jewish attitudes are very common among that population. It has become clear to most Jewish people in Europe that the main physical threat for them is from Muslims, not from traditional domestic antisemites who may criticize them sometimes, but very rarely attack them physically. In the US, Muslims are a relatively small part of immigrants, and even if the level of antisemitism among Hispanics may be somewhat above the US average it is hardly so much higher that it is enough for Jews who are traditionally in favor of immigration to change their opinions. In EU countries, where Muslims are a large percentage of immigrants and it would be absurd to deny that hostility towards Jews is on a similar level among the domestic population and among immigrants, the development that Jews are increasingly supporting the restriction of immigration is inevitable (an alternative for them might be promoting mass immigration from regions without widespread antisemitism, but that is hardly realistic, the countries around Europe from which most immigrants traditionally came are mostly from Muslim countries, it is less realistic to stop immigration from Muslim countries and to promote immigration from South America and China at the same time, so they will rather just demand restricting immigration).
    It is hard to say how influential Jews are in Europe - probably less so than in the US because there are generally fewer of them in Europe, but there are still quite a lot of Jewish people in influential positions, and Jewish opposition to immigration might have a significant influence on migration policies.
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  181. @Mr. Blank
    I saw this earlier when Rod Dreher posted something about it on his blog. Interestingly, a lot of his commenters — who aren’t exactly iSteve types — immediately noticed that Brooks’ column can be read as an unstated but implied attack on black Americans.

    A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens? I don’t mean behind closed doors — I mean stuff they were happy to say out loud in public. The closest examples I can think of are the open racism that was once directed at blacks — which doesn’t portend well for the future... :(

    Intellectual elites have long had disdain for the common folk in what we now call flyover country. H L Mencken used to write about the “Booboisie” as he called them back in the 1920s and 30s. What happened is that the political elites have become at-one with the intellectuals. We don’t have regular folk like Harry Truman becoming senators/VP/Pres. Everyone we are offered lately have Ivy League pedigrees.

    Speaking of Mencken and populist conservatism, here’s a trip down memory lane from 1980 in which a Washington Post writer laments that Mencken’s “booboisie” had then taken control of the GOP. Yep, it was Reagan he was talking about.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1980/07/27/menckens-booboisie-in-control-of-gop/e642d590-27bc-4561-ad58-4e0a6bff84a2/?utm_term=.716bc9ea7f5b

    This points to a weird split in the GOP or conservatism in general in the US. Is it the territory of the common folk against the elite? Or the realm of stuffy businessmen who claim they are interested in helping the rest of the country? (Mencken is seen as a kind of conservative by today’s standards, but a snobby one.) Sometimes I think common people halfway trusted business owners to guard the country from extremism. I’m old enough to remember when corporate America was mistrustful of counterculture excess. But as the hippie culture went mainstream so to speak, there was too much money to be made pandering to radicalism, and now we are where we are with Silicon Valley and Madison Ave at war with the rest of the country. I guess what I’m saying is that the old “businessman” model of the GOP is where we got the moderate RINO types, but we can no longer trust them to put the brakes on SJW nonsense. Their donors are totally OK with the population replacement going on, and seem be more interested in propagandizing for its inevitability.

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    We don’t have regular folk like Harry Truman becoming senators/VP/Pres. Everyone we are offered lately have Ivy League pedigrees.

    Gary Johnson (state school), Marco Rubio (state schools), John Kasich (state school), Bernie Sanders (private university, non-Ivy), Rick Santorum (state schools), Newt Gingrich (private universities, non-Ivy), Ron Paul (good private college / private university, non-Ivy), John Edwards (state schools), Mike Huckabee (obscure private college), John McCain (service academy), Wesley Clark (service academy), Bob Dole (state schools), Bob Kerrey (state school), Tom Harkin (state school / private university, non-Ivy), Richard Gephardt (private university, non-Ivy / state school), Paul Simon (no degree), Jesse Jackson (state school / obscure divinity school), Walter Mondale (good private college / state school), Ronald Reagan (obscure private college), Jimmy Carter (service academy).

    Some of the Ivy League denizens were from very ordinary families and must have been on scholarship (Gary Hart, Alan Keyes). Ted Cruz parents went bankrupt when he was in school.

    Seems we're offered other things, but keep circling back to the Ivy League.
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  182. @Jack D

    Motels started to have consistent quality thanks to the battalions of Central American peon-labor cleaning ladies serving them.
     
    Also all the (d0t not feather) Indians who now own them. But this sounds like an argument for immigration - that's a no-no around here.

    I think younger folks don't really understand how Malaise Era (cira Jimmy Carter) America really was on the way to become a shitty country. Not as shitty as Haiti but still markedly on the decline. Times Square full of peep shows and 3rd string movie theaters that homeless people used as a place to sleep. Negro slums within sight of the White House and the rest of DC a sleepy Southern backwater. New cars that would turn to unreliable rust buckets in a couple of years assembled by indifferent auto workers. Subways covered in graffitti on every surface.

    The sub-continentals buy motels with grants based on not being white paid for by white tax payers. It has nothing to do with them being better at running motels than us.

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  183. @Jack D

    Motels started to have consistent quality thanks to the battalions of Central American peon-labor cleaning ladies serving them.
     
    Also all the (d0t not feather) Indians who now own them. But this sounds like an argument for immigration - that's a no-no around here.

    I think younger folks don't really understand how Malaise Era (cira Jimmy Carter) America really was on the way to become a shitty country. Not as shitty as Haiti but still markedly on the decline. Times Square full of peep shows and 3rd string movie theaters that homeless people used as a place to sleep. Negro slums within sight of the White House and the rest of DC a sleepy Southern backwater. New cars that would turn to unreliable rust buckets in a couple of years assembled by indifferent auto workers. Subways covered in graffitti on every surface.

    Yes, some immigration was a good thing relative to 1970′s America. The cars made during that time were horrible.

    However, we have overshot the optimum level and are now heading into very destructive numbers.

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  184. @Anonymous

    It used to be making jokes or poking light-hearted (or not so light) fun at, say, rednecks. Now it’s open contempt and disgust for flyover country and middle America.

     

    When I was in college years ago at a liberal, fairly elite university, “middle America” was a frequent and open punchline to many jokes in and out of the classroom.

    Between you and Forbes, I just recalled an almost lost memory about this type of thing. I was in some informal 2-3 hour class that was just about some bureaucracy and tips for doing some teaching of undergraduate college students. So as not to reveal all, let’s call the small town this guy kept mentioning “Mt. Airy” for “Mayberry”, but it wasn’t.

    This hotshot professor of education (even people who get those degrees for work reasons admit it’s a bullshit field completely) probably mentioned Mt Airy TEN times or so, just as his idea of a place where people somehow don’t know squat. “Say you’re talking to a young girl from Mt. Airy. You need to talk to her like …. blah blah.” It went like this over and over, and I only held my tongue for some other people in the room, not because of this jackass.

    Here’s the funny part – this guy hadn’t been keeping up and didn’t know his geography, as this “Mt. Airy” was, first of all between 2 pretty big cities, so not isolated in any way, and had gotten a big plant that makes expensive stuff (to this day, believe it or not) a year or more back already. The place was changing rapidly, but this prof used it as his continual example of what redneck ignorant students one may have to deal with.

    BTW, friends brought this up along with me, later on – we really didn’t want to have to go back to that time-waster again – $4 pitchers!

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  185. @Jack D

    The latest salvo from the WASPs is the dramatic fracking revolution which has loosened our connection to their middle east villainy (a connection nurtured for decades)
     
    This is precisely backwards. Our dependence on middle east oil was used for decades as an argument for why the US should lean to the Arab side by State Dept. WASP Arabists and the James Baker wing of the Republican Party. Now that we no long depend on the Arabs to keep the lights turned on, Trump is MORE free to embrace Israel.

    But, in the mind of an anti-Semite, EVERYTHING is evidence of Jewish perfidy. It was famously said of Henry Adams that when he saw Vesuvius spewing flames he searched for the Jew stoking the fire.

    **** the Jews, they don’t vote for us anyway.”

    Jim Baker, 1991, on his reasoning for pushing forward with the Madrid Conference.

    Given Saudi Arabia and Israel’s tacit alliance, anyway, one might question the premise of having to choose.

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  186. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “It is a blunt fact of life that, these days, immigrants show more of these virtues than the native-born.”

    But their votes will go to further the culture war waged against those virtues. Immigrants(or Co-Invaders or Co-Colonizers) vote Democratic, and the Democratic Party values are those of Jay-Z, Miley Cyrus, Lena Dunham, Sarah Silverman, homo and tranny lunacy, hedonism, slut culture, etc.
    Immigrants just supply the votes. The decisions are made by elites who want people to worship homos even in churches.

    David Brooks the ‘conservative’ may admire the virtues of immigrants, but these immigrants put material interests above moral values. They will make a pact with the Devil and betray their own values to gain more wealth. Not very virtuous, is it?

    Also, some of this ‘virtue’ derive from culture of obedience and conditions of relative deprivation.
    They come from more autocratic places with rule of fear. So, they learned to just go along. They are thus more docile, and this may seem more ‘virtuous’, like people consider dogs more virtuous.
    Also, their ‘work ethic’ may not be based on virtue or values but sheer desperation. Things were so bad at home that they are willing to work for peanuts without complaint in the US.
    But their kids grow up in America and become spoiled degenerate brats. many become lazy… which is why need more immigrants marked by desperation. The fact that Americanism robs so many people of virtue is something Brooks should address. If America needs new people to have virtue, it means America degrades virtue among its citizens. It means New Americans and their children will also lose their virtue and must eventually be replaced by more new people with ‘virtue’. Then, something is wrong with America that can no longer self-generate virtue. It’s like people come to America with fire, but the fire burns out, and we need new people to come with more fire. But, why do Americans lose the fire? Why can’t they keep it burning?
    But then, Brooks would have to look more closely at the influence of his own kinsmen and honestly call out on their vice. But he chooses ethnic loyalty over honest criticism, which isn’t very virtuous.

    Also, how virtuous are these immigrants really if they’d rather run from the problems of their own nations than remain and fix them? Anglo-made nations must be better because whites did a better job; they didn’t run from their own problems; even when the came to the New World, they had to build everything from scratch than live off what others built.
    Non-white nations must be worse because the people there did not manage their affairs well. So, if non-whites are truly virtuous, they shouldn’t run from their own problems but remain and fix them.

    Also, if many immigrants are good people running from bad people or bad system, many immigrants are those bad people that good people are running from. It’s like some Italian immigrants were good people running from crime but others were the very criminal elements who turned Sicily into a hellhole.

    Anyway, Brooks lacks the virtues of an elite. When FDR saw problems among Americans, he tried to help them. He didn’t say, “hey, let’s replace these losers with new ones.” Brooks just feels contempt for entire segments of the population. Also, there is the misdirection. It’s true W Virginia has problems. But it’s a low crime area. And elites have nothing to fear from those folks. (Btw, why does Brooks focus only on economic issues? Is a nation just about dollars and cents? Maybe WV is economically depressed, but people there feel greater connection to the soil since they have deep roots. Doesn’t culture and heritage count for something? Would Brooks urge Israel to take in 4 million Hindus and Iranians because they will expand the Israeli economy? When it comes to his own kind, culture and identity trumps dollars. But when it comes to whites, it’s all just dollars and cents as if white history and identity have no value.)
    Elites like Brooks really fear urban blacks. He really has Detroit and Baltimore on his mind than WV. He’d rather have Mexicans, Asians, Hindus, and even Muslims than destructive blacks who nearly brought down New York. It’s true that immigrant groups are better for a city than blacks. Also, African immigrants are certainly more ‘virtuous’ than American blacks. But why? Brain drain. US takes in upper crust of Africans. Also, since the 60s, the entertainment industry and Jewish activists have been encouraging the most destructive aspects of black politics and behavior. And given, the nature of PC, non-whites are made to feel hostility toward whites. Even non-blacks minorities are to see everything through the lens of MLK myth and rap rage. Immigrants are made to hate.

    Which elites control music industry, gambling industry, sex industry, trash TV industry, etc? Which group turned Disney into a whore factory? If Brooks really believes immigrants are more virtuous, their kids won’t be virtuous for too long as they grow up under the influence of the vice-ridden elites that flood the air waves and live streams with the worst kind of filth.
    Soon, the kids will be doing the butt-bongo. After all, part of the appeal of moving to America is the freedom to indulge in hedonism. Those Muslim sheiks visit Las Vegas than Smithsonian National gallery when they come here.

    Anyway, how about immigrants do a butt-bongo on Brooks if he loves them so much?

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  187. @Jack D

    Motels started to have consistent quality thanks to the battalions of Central American peon-labor cleaning ladies serving them.
     
    Also all the (d0t not feather) Indians who now own them. But this sounds like an argument for immigration - that's a no-no around here.

    I think younger folks don't really understand how Malaise Era (cira Jimmy Carter) America really was on the way to become a shitty country. Not as shitty as Haiti but still markedly on the decline. Times Square full of peep shows and 3rd string movie theaters that homeless people used as a place to sleep. Negro slums within sight of the White House and the rest of DC a sleepy Southern backwater. New cars that would turn to unreliable rust buckets in a couple of years assembled by indifferent auto workers. Subways covered in graffitti on every surface.

    I think younger folks don’t really understand how Malaise Era (cira Jimmy Carter) America really was on the way to become a shitty country. Not as shitty as Haiti but still markedly on the decline. Times Square full of peep shows and 3rd string movie theaters that homeless people used as a place to sleep. Negro slums within sight of the White House and the rest of DC a sleepy Southern backwater. New cars that would turn to unreliable rust buckets in a couple of years assembled by indifferent auto workers. Subways covered in graffitti on every surface.

    None of what you’re referring to has anything to do with immigration streams, even the quality of motels (which were satisfactory any place I stayed during that decade). Neither has DC been a sleepy Southern backwater at any time in the post-bellum era.

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    You must have lived in a different America than Abe and I. Or at least stayed at pricier hotels.

    Some of the chicken coop style motels of that era still exist though in most cases they have been cleaned up. No more 13" B&W TVs with blurry pictures.
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  188. “The states with the highest employment-to-population ratios are as follows:

    North Dakota………….
    Nebraska……………..
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    Vermont………………”One of these things is not like the others.

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  189. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    What’s changed: The American elites used to be American. Now they’re people who happen to live in America.
     
    Americans and American Elites wouldn't have trusted a member of Brooks's tribe to become a full privileges member of the American Elite with the power to shape the national conversation.

    But that would be Antisemitism in today's parlance, which means that you have to permit the Brooks of the world to get on with their (((Semitism))) without comment or question.

    Americans and American Elites wouldn’t have trusted a member of Brooks’s tribe to become a full privileges member of the American Elite with the power to shape the national conversation.

    MBITRW Judah P. Benjamin and Louis Brandeis were very much welcome in elite circles.

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    Benjamin and Brandeis were both from the South and the real WASP power in America (esp. after the Civil War) was in the North. Brandeis was nominated by Wilson, another Southerner and rare Democratic President in the 1860-1932 period. As has often been pointed out here, Jews and the Southern planter elite had a symbiotic relationship (not unlike that of the Polish nobility and the Jews) whereas Northern Jews were more in competition with Northern WASP elites.
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  190. @Jack D

    Motels started to have consistent quality thanks to the battalions of Central American peon-labor cleaning ladies serving them.
     
    Also all the (d0t not feather) Indians who now own them. But this sounds like an argument for immigration - that's a no-no around here.

    I think younger folks don't really understand how Malaise Era (cira Jimmy Carter) America really was on the way to become a shitty country. Not as shitty as Haiti but still markedly on the decline. Times Square full of peep shows and 3rd string movie theaters that homeless people used as a place to sleep. Negro slums within sight of the White House and the rest of DC a sleepy Southern backwater. New cars that would turn to unreliable rust buckets in a couple of years assembled by indifferent auto workers. Subways covered in graffitti on every surface.

    For once (haha) I don’t agree, Jack D. It was a rough period true, and the high inflation that had been started with the US dollar going off the gold and silver standard was the reason for that. Jimmy Carter didn’t help, but he was just president, with less power back then, IMO, as the Feral Gov was still smaller*.

    The difference between than and today is that the US still manufactured stuff, or created wealth, for almost all of America and lots of the world. That was changing in the 1970′s already but, just like, as the 1965 immigration act took quite a while to even be noticed in terms of effects, manufacturing hadn’t taken it’s biggest hits yet (some electronics, i.e, cameras, and cars from Japan).

    It’s just economics I’m writing about here, not the overall culture like the condition of NY City. When/where I was a kid nobody gave a damn about NY City – Oh, even President Ford – Ford to NY – DROP DEAD!” (what, around ’76, I think.)

    * but getting larger quickly with Jimmy’s Dept. of BIG ED, as a payback for votes from the teacher’s unions. Yeah, I have a big problem with government education, especially just today.

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  191. @Jack D

    Motels started to have consistent quality thanks to the battalions of Central American peon-labor cleaning ladies serving them.
     
    Also all the (d0t not feather) Indians who now own them. But this sounds like an argument for immigration - that's a no-no around here.

    I think younger folks don't really understand how Malaise Era (cira Jimmy Carter) America really was on the way to become a shitty country. Not as shitty as Haiti but still markedly on the decline. Times Square full of peep shows and 3rd string movie theaters that homeless people used as a place to sleep. Negro slums within sight of the White House and the rest of DC a sleepy Southern backwater. New cars that would turn to unreliable rust buckets in a couple of years assembled by indifferent auto workers. Subways covered in graffitti on every surface.

    Also all the (d0t not feather) Indians who now own them. But this sounds like an argument for immigration – that’s a no-no around here.

    Have you perhaps thought that this has something to do with the indentured servitude system that the dot Indians have set up via chain migration and arranged marriages in which U.S. labor and employment law is wholly disregarded? Having a few slaves to work the front desk around the clock (or the mini mart) is a real competitive advantage, isn’t it?

    How many of these alleged advantages of immigrants are anarcho-tyranny in action when you scratch just past the shiny surface of gauzy immigrant success stories?

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  192. @Jack D

    Are these counties marked by high social cohesion, economic dynamism, surging wages and healthy family values? No.
     
    The definition of "chutzpah" is a man who kills his parents and then pleads for mercy because he is an orphan.

    This is textbook chutzpah. Our elites export working class jobs overseas, overregulate industry and bring in millions of immigrants and then wonder why wages are not surging? Our elites turn popular culture into garbage and destroy the family thru a legal and welfare system that rewards single motherhood and then wonder why social cohesion is not high and family values are not healthy? We all know that ghetto blacks have no agency - if they are doing drugs and committing crimes it is whitey's fault, but apparently working class whites are fully responsible for their plight.

    Brooks wants more social cohesion - nothing like bring in lots of immigrants to increase social cohesion in a community, right? Brooks should be careful what he asks for because he just might get it. "Social cohesion" among whites is what put Donald Trump in the White House. The LAST thing David Brooks really wants is for whites to socially cohere.

    I am usually willing to give guys like Brooks a break but this is the most cynical pile of crap I have ever heard. F--- him and the horse he rode in on.

    well said.

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  193. In Brooks’ mind, it’s Clan vs the Klan.

    Even burkas are more welcome than sheets.

    Because white Protestants led the anti-immigration movement, Jews will forever see anti-immigration as the KKK. Bring the clans to beat the Klan.

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  194. @Art Deco
    Americans and American Elites wouldn’t have trusted a member of Brooks’s tribe to become a full privileges member of the American Elite with the power to shape the national conversation.

    MBITRW Judah P. Benjamin and Louis Brandeis were very much welcome in elite circles.

    Benjamin and Brandeis were both from the South and the real WASP power in America (esp. after the Civil War) was in the North. Brandeis was nominated by Wilson, another Southerner and rare Democratic President in the 1860-1932 period. As has often been pointed out here, Jews and the Southern planter elite had a symbiotic relationship (not unlike that of the Polish nobility and the Jews) whereas Northern Jews were more in competition with Northern WASP elites.

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    Felix Frankfurter was nominated to the Court by FDR. He spent his career in New York and New England. Eugene Meyer was appointed Chairman of the Federal Reserve in 1930, by Herbert Hoover. Don't think he ever lived down South.

    In 1890, the Jewish population of the U.S. was 0.7% of the total with most fairly recent arrivals. That would have been the foundational population for your elite Jews a generation later (though there was an older German Jewish population that had appeared a generation earlier).

    Your interlocutor projects on early 20th century elites the notion (common at Unz) that Jews are a viral infection to be quarantined, rather than what they were (a somewhat alien population subject to the five o'clock shadow and enhanced screening in work settings).

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  195. @Angry WASP
    That has been the quintessential Jewish assumption from the beginning - that White Protestant Americans are all stupid and lazy and deserve to be wiped off the face of the earth. As a man smart enough to earn perfect scores in my GRE's, and hard-working enough to wake up at 5:00 AM every morning to go to work, and not come home to dinner until 7:30 PM, I very much beg to differ, my evil blue eyes, my satanic fair skin, and my psychopathic straight Anglo-Saxon nose notwithstanding.

    You’re one of the good ones. A credit to your race

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  196. @Jack D

    The latest salvo from the WASPs is the dramatic fracking revolution which has loosened our connection to their middle east villainy (a connection nurtured for decades)
     
    This is precisely backwards. Our dependence on middle east oil was used for decades as an argument for why the US should lean to the Arab side by State Dept. WASP Arabists and the James Baker wing of the Republican Party. Now that we no long depend on the Arabs to keep the lights turned on, Trump is MORE free to embrace Israel.

    But, in the mind of an anti-Semite, EVERYTHING is evidence of Jewish perfidy. It was famously said of Henry Adams that when he saw Vesuvius spewing flames he searched for the Jew stoking the fire.

    It was famously said of Henry Adams that when he saw Vesuvius spewing flames he searched for the Jew stoking the fire.

    …well, did he find him?

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  197. @ChrisZ

    Interestingly, a lot of his commenters — who aren’t exactly iSteve types — immediately noticed that Brooks’ column can be read as an unstated but implied attack on black Americans.
     
    Good point, Blank. When Brooks started comparing immigrants to native-born Americans, my iSteve training immediately led me to ask the question (unaddressed by Brooks, naturally): “What’s hidden in that general population term ‘native Americans’?”

    The answer, which John Derbyshire has shown in other contexts (notably America’s international ranking in student test scores) is that when you disaggregate the general set of natives into particular racial/ethnic groups, you see a very different picture. Brooks certainly knows this; he’s not a stupid writer, nor ignorant of the arguments advanced by Steve and Derb, among others.

    One rationale for his having written such an idiotic column is that Brooks is indeed making a coded (and therefore cowardly) disavowal of American blacks, the way Charles Murray’s recent book (which he pointedly sites) was a veiled critique of black social dysfunction (with its implication that if disorder is this bad among lower class whites, imagine how much worse it must be among blacks).

    On the other hand, that’s probably too generous an assessment of the column. The truth is, in the circle he now frequents, any realist subtext will go unnoticed, the PC pretext will be applauded, and it’s just another payday for Brooks. He can rest in the certainty that he’ll never, ever be asked to justify himself in public on these matters.

    “was a veiled critique of black social dysfunction”

    No. It may have contained a veiled critique of black social dysfunction, but it was about white social dysfunction. Explicitly so. That’s the difference between Murray and Brooks. Murray says out loud in his subtitle, “Hey! I’m talking about white people!” Brooks isn’t being race-specific, though we assume he secretly has it in mind.

    The Bell Curve was about IQ and class structure generally, merely containing one chapter on race. But people were intent upon pulling the black out, so to speak. Much like you’re pulling the black out from Coming Apart, for some strange reason pretending it’s all about blacks. Because people are obsessed with blacks, for some reason

    But it seems obvious Brooks is writing about whites. Blacks will be hit first and harder by immigrants Third World-izing America. But blacks never really fit into American civilization anyway. Whites are American civilization, and Brooks needs them to be finished for American civilization to end, which apparently is what he wants. Blacks are irrelevant.

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    Guest, I’m very glad to have a reply from you, but disappointed that it’s a contrary opinion. Although if I read you right, our difference with regard to Murray is that I wrote that “Coming Apart” was a veiled critique of black social dysfunction,” while you hold that it “may have contained a veiled critique of black social dysfunction.”

    For the purpose of this discussion, that’s a distinction without much of a difference—although I’m happy to acknowledge that your phrasing is more precise.

    Regarding Brooks, his thoughts on the value of American civilization have been varied. Back in his Weekly Standard days he was a founder of what was briefly termed “American Greatness Conservatism,” which ostensibly took its guidance from such figures as Lincoln, TR, and Reagan. He seems to have abandoned that when he retreated in terror from his advocacy for the Iraq War. Has he now gone so far as to want the end of our civilization? Who knows?—although that seems like a pretty grand claim. Maybe he just knows who’s paying the bills, and writes accordingly.
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  198. @Ed
    The situation for Jews is more dire in France in that their children are now openly assaulted in the streets. I don’t think French Jews are rushing to embrace Le Pen. I believe the major French rabbis still reserve most of their venom for ethnic French racists for example.

    Jews have this fatalism thing going on as a group. So I don’t think you’ll see many changes in their politics as a result of Hispanic anti-semitism. Asian anti-semitism isn’t really a thing.

    >Asian anti-semitism
    I have come across numerous examples of it in all regions and class levels (the old joke about Jews eating frequently at Chinese restaurants comes from the trope of Jew inner city landlords owning the restaurant), seen it in all forms of media, and heard Chinese immigrants griping about the mercilessness of Jews who themselves had been immigrants. Maybe those were all one-offs.
    A Korean book that described success in America as hindered by a Jewish Wall got slammed by Abraham Cooper’s outfit. It’s there but they’s Asians so they’re not going to invite a pointless fight.
    And East Asians and Jews are near-perfect competitors so conflict is coming one way or the other.

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  199. @MEH 0910
    http://takimag.com/article/david_brooks_demands_new_improved_americans_20_steve_sailer/print#axzz55mSIIwV6

    It’s good that Sailer writes for another site, but the discussions here are of much higher quality.

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  200. @Jack D
    There has always been brain drain from the countryside to the big cities since the dawn of civilization and certainly throughout American history. Henry Ford was a farm boy. There are some very bright farm boys who stay home because farms themselves have become sophisticated businesses but a lot of the bright ones take off for university and never go back. Not much call for rocket scientists in rural N. Dakota or W. Virginia. That's a natural and appropriate process.

    But, the people who stayed behind didn't used to be drug addicts. Other things have changed - big Pharma pushing prescription opiates. Mexican drug dealers in every small town selling cheap heroin when the prescription opiates get to be too expensive. Now even cheaper Chinese fentanyl to kill you with an overdose. No more jobs in the mines. Your wife divorces you because she can do just as well collecting child support and welfare as taking care of your sorry ass. Etc. The brain drain has nothing to do with it.

    Again, the states with the highest employment-to-population ratios are as follows:

    North Dakota………….
    Nebraska……………..
    Iowa…………………
    South Dakota………….
    Minnesota…………….
    New Hampshire…………
    Utah…………………
    District of Columbia…..
    Wisconsin…………….
    Kansas……………….
    Wyoming………………
    Vermont………………

    The states with the lowest homicide rates:

    Maine
    New Hampshire
    North Dakota
    Vermont
    Wyoming
    Idaho
    Massachusetts
    Rhode Island
    Minnesota
    Utah
    Connecticut

    The states with the lowest robbery rates are as follows:

    Wyoming
    Idaho
    Vermont
    Maine
    North Dakota
    Montana
    South Dakota
    New Hampshire
    Iowa
    West Virginia
    Nebraska
    Utah

    With the lowest rate of forcible rape:

    New Jersey
    Connecticut
    North Carolina
    Vermont
    Maryland
    Maine
    Massachusetts
    New York
    Delaware
    Virginia
    Georgia
    Wisconsin

    And the lowest rate of overdose deaths:

    Nebraska
    South Dakota
    Texas
    Iowa
    North Dakota
    Kansas
    California
    Montana
    Oregon
    Mississippi
    Minnesota
    Hawaii

    There’s some interesting differences in the comparative frequency of different sorts of pathology. I cannot figure, though, why dispersed populations are associated with anomie in some people’s minds.

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    Well, viva New Jersey. That surprised me-- we certainly don't have a dispersed population up here!

    As for anomie: cultural elites live in cities; their contact with small-town life is with people who fled it.
    , @Jack D
    Most of these are no mystery. Once you control for African-Americans and big cities you have explained most of it. Also a lot of big city department "reduce crime" by downgrading crime reports.

    There are certainly some depressed places in America and while they don't contain a lot of people they contain a lot of misery spread over large areas. Parts of W. Virginia, the Indian reservations of N. Dakota, etc. - there are some pretty bleak places.
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  201. @Art Deco
    I think younger folks don’t really understand how Malaise Era (cira Jimmy Carter) America really was on the way to become a shitty country. Not as shitty as Haiti but still markedly on the decline. Times Square full of peep shows and 3rd string movie theaters that homeless people used as a place to sleep. Negro slums within sight of the White House and the rest of DC a sleepy Southern backwater. New cars that would turn to unreliable rust buckets in a couple of years assembled by indifferent auto workers. Subways covered in graffitti on every surface.

    None of what you're referring to has anything to do with immigration streams, even the quality of motels (which were satisfactory any place I stayed during that decade). Neither has DC been a sleepy Southern backwater at any time in the post-bellum era.

    You must have lived in a different America than Abe and I. Or at least stayed at pricier hotels.

    Some of the chicken coop style motels of that era still exist though in most cases they have been cleaned up. No more 13″ B&W TVs with blurry pictures.

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    You must have lived in a different America than Abe and I. Or at least stayed at pricier hotels.

    No, at Ramada Inn and Holiday Inn.
    , @Saxon
    Yes, I'm sure improved television technology is 100% down to the importation of third world peasants from the absolute asshole of the world. You are making A+ arguments for why America should be an open-air Brazilian favela here.
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  202. @anony-mouse
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beverly_Hillbillies

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gomer_Pyle,_U.S.M.C.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babbitt_(novel)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winesburg,_Ohio

    and as mentioned repeatedly here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton

    You have a bizarre view of the Beverly Hillbillies. Who is the more sympathetic character: Jed Clampett or Mr. Drysdale?

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  203. @Mr. Blank
    I saw this earlier when Rod Dreher posted something about it on his blog. Interestingly, a lot of his commenters — who aren’t exactly iSteve types — immediately noticed that Brooks’ column can be read as an unstated but implied attack on black Americans.

    A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens? I don’t mean behind closed doors — I mean stuff they were happy to say out loud in public. The closest examples I can think of are the open racism that was once directed at blacks — which doesn’t portend well for the future... :(

    It can be read as an implied attack on black people, but I don’t think it is. Brooks has white people in mind.

    Blacks are constantly on people’s minds, because they have the highest racial profile in our culture. Plus, they’re on the front lines in local civilizational collapse. They are our most dysfunctional group, and they’ll be destroyed by the invading hordes first.

    However, this is a column about the entire native population being crap, not just its crappiest fraction. The Brookes of the world actually might have sympathy for black failure, but they don’t whatsoever for white failure. That’s why this article is compassionless: it’s about white people.

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  204. @Art Deco
    Again, the states with the highest employment-to-population ratios are as follows:

    North Dakota.............
    Nebraska.................
    Iowa.....................
    South Dakota.............
    Minnesota................
    New Hampshire............
    Utah.....................
    District of Columbia.....
    Wisconsin................
    Kansas...................
    Wyoming..................
    Vermont..................

    The states with the lowest homicide rates:

    Maine
    New Hampshire
    North Dakota
    Vermont
    Wyoming
    Idaho
    Massachusetts
    Rhode Island
    Minnesota
    Utah
    Connecticut




    The states with the lowest robbery rates are as follows:

    Wyoming
    Idaho
    Vermont
    Maine
    North Dakota
    Montana
    South Dakota
    New Hampshire
    Iowa
    West Virginia
    Nebraska
    Utah


    With the lowest rate of forcible rape:

    New Jersey
    Connecticut
    North Carolina
    Vermont
    Maryland
    Maine
    Massachusetts
    New York
    Delaware
    Virginia
    Georgia
    Wisconsin


    And the lowest rate of overdose deaths:

    Nebraska
    South Dakota
    Texas
    Iowa
    North Dakota
    Kansas
    California
    Montana
    Oregon
    Mississippi
    Minnesota
    Hawaii


    There's some interesting differences in the comparative frequency of different sorts of pathology. I cannot figure, though, why dispersed populations are associated with anomie in some people's minds.

    Well, viva New Jersey. That surprised me– we certainly don’t have a dispersed population up here!

    As for anomie: cultural elites live in cities; their contact with small-town life is with people who fled it.

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  205. @Jack D

    Are these counties marked by high social cohesion, economic dynamism, surging wages and healthy family values? No.
     
    The definition of "chutzpah" is a man who kills his parents and then pleads for mercy because he is an orphan.

    This is textbook chutzpah. Our elites export working class jobs overseas, overregulate industry and bring in millions of immigrants and then wonder why wages are not surging? Our elites turn popular culture into garbage and destroy the family thru a legal and welfare system that rewards single motherhood and then wonder why social cohesion is not high and family values are not healthy? We all know that ghetto blacks have no agency - if they are doing drugs and committing crimes it is whitey's fault, but apparently working class whites are fully responsible for their plight.

    Brooks wants more social cohesion - nothing like bring in lots of immigrants to increase social cohesion in a community, right? Brooks should be careful what he asks for because he just might get it. "Social cohesion" among whites is what put Donald Trump in the White House. The LAST thing David Brooks really wants is for whites to socially cohere.

    I am usually willing to give guys like Brooks a break but this is the most cynical pile of crap I have ever heard. F--- him and the horse he rode in on.

    That was mostly a righteous rant, but what’s with this?:

    Our elites turn popular culture into garbage

    Brooks and the rest of his peers have zero interest in any popular music or TV other than as an occasional anthropological exercise. Popular culture is what it is because it is what huge numbers of prole people want and are ultimately willing to pay for.

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  206. @Art Deco
    Again, the states with the highest employment-to-population ratios are as follows:

    North Dakota.............
    Nebraska.................
    Iowa.....................
    South Dakota.............
    Minnesota................
    New Hampshire............
    Utah.....................
    District of Columbia.....
    Wisconsin................
    Kansas...................
    Wyoming..................
    Vermont..................

    The states with the lowest homicide rates:

    Maine
    New Hampshire
    North Dakota
    Vermont
    Wyoming
    Idaho
    Massachusetts
    Rhode Island
    Minnesota
    Utah
    Connecticut




    The states with the lowest robbery rates are as follows:

    Wyoming
    Idaho
    Vermont
    Maine
    North Dakota
    Montana
    South Dakota
    New Hampshire
    Iowa
    West Virginia
    Nebraska
    Utah


    With the lowest rate of forcible rape:

    New Jersey
    Connecticut
    North Carolina
    Vermont
    Maryland
    Maine
    Massachusetts
    New York
    Delaware
    Virginia
    Georgia
    Wisconsin


    And the lowest rate of overdose deaths:

    Nebraska
    South Dakota
    Texas
    Iowa
    North Dakota
    Kansas
    California
    Montana
    Oregon
    Mississippi
    Minnesota
    Hawaii


    There's some interesting differences in the comparative frequency of different sorts of pathology. I cannot figure, though, why dispersed populations are associated with anomie in some people's minds.

    Most of these are no mystery. Once you control for African-Americans and big cities you have explained most of it. Also a lot of big city department “reduce crime” by downgrading crime reports.

    There are certainly some depressed places in America and while they don’t contain a lot of people they contain a lot of misery spread over large areas. Parts of W. Virginia, the Indian reservations of N. Dakota, etc. – there are some pretty bleak places.

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    Also a lot of big city department “reduce crime” by downgrading crime reports.

    Thanks for the ass-pull. It's been an education.


    Once you control for African-Americans and big cities you have explained most of it.

    That absorbs a great deal of the difference in homicide rates, not the other metrics.
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  207. @Mr. Blank
    I saw this earlier when Rod Dreher posted something about it on his blog. Interestingly, a lot of his commenters — who aren’t exactly iSteve types — immediately noticed that Brooks’ column can be read as an unstated but implied attack on black Americans.

    A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens? I don’t mean behind closed doors — I mean stuff they were happy to say out loud in public. The closest examples I can think of are the open racism that was once directed at blacks — which doesn’t portend well for the future... :(

    For years, I’ve been reading occasional brainstorms by open borders libertarians about how great Detroit could be with an infusion of immigrants. Of course, immigrants will gravitate to more prosperous cities.

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  208. @Jack D
    There has always been brain drain from the countryside to the big cities since the dawn of civilization and certainly throughout American history. Henry Ford was a farm boy. There are some very bright farm boys who stay home because farms themselves have become sophisticated businesses but a lot of the bright ones take off for university and never go back. Not much call for rocket scientists in rural N. Dakota or W. Virginia. That's a natural and appropriate process.

    But, the people who stayed behind didn't used to be drug addicts. Other things have changed - big Pharma pushing prescription opiates. Mexican drug dealers in every small town selling cheap heroin when the prescription opiates get to be too expensive. Now even cheaper Chinese fentanyl to kill you with an overdose. No more jobs in the mines. Your wife divorces you because she can do just as well collecting child support and welfare as taking care of your sorry ass. Etc. The brain drain has nothing to do with it.

    About 1.67% of the whole population is employed in ‘Architecture and Engineering Occupations’. In each state listed, the share is as follows:

    Maine: 1.61%
    New Hampshire: 2.0%
    Vermont: 1.96%
    West Virginia: 1.24%
    Mississippi: 1.34%
    North Dakota: 1.59%
    South Dakota: 1.16%
    Montana: 1.49%
    Wyoming: 1.76%

    There is some quantum of sophisticated employment available just about anywhere. Not one of the states on that list has a city therein with more than about 170,000 people living in it.

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    You know the old joke about how if a town has only 1 lawyer he will starve but if there are 2 then they will both keep busy (suing each other's clients).

    There are some occupations that are more or less even distributed - even people in the country need architects and engineers to stamp their building plans. But there are other occupations that are practiced mainly in larger cities or only in certain cities (e.g. the film industry).
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  209. @Abe

    My impression as a baby boomer and as a reader of popular histories is that current elite contempt-and-hatred would have been career-ending for any mainstream politician, Democrat or Republican, during the ’70s, ’80s, or ’90s.
     
    It was out there, if your eyes were open, in some of the more prominent pop-culture artifacts of the 80's. John Hughes, lace-curtain Irishman son a business executive who grew up in the poshest of Chicago suburbs, made a couple of films centered around the terrors of barbarian white America outside the little bubble of his Gold Coast demimonde.

    FAMILY VACATION and TRAINS, PLANES, AUTOMOBILES are basically a comedy of manners about how grubby, unpleasant, and dangerous the white hinterlands are. Randy Quaid's gross, mooching, backwoods Cousin Eddie. Scary heavy metal-satanist gypsy cab drivers. Unpleasant, slovenly independent motel owners. I lived this, BTW, and vividly remember the wild variations in roadside lodging quality that was the norm in the 70's and 80's. Beds with Shroud of Turin-thick layers of dust on their covers; giant cockroaches; room HVAC systems that had only a 50% chance of functioning in the white-owned independent and even white-franchised smaller chain motel systems.

    One telling scene in FAMILY VACATION was when Chevy Chase drives the station wagon off a mesa and almost totals it. He does get it repaired, but has to basically empty his wallet to do so. What's interesting about the scene is the hostility of the hick white mechanics he's shown paying off. Normally in these sorts of road comedies the setup comes with the main characters losing their wallets and not being able to pay for essential services. In this case Chevy DOES have the money, but the mechanics can't get over what a stupid, city-slickin', rich a$$hole his character must be for running his car off a cliff, and the scene has the definite between-the-lines tension of the mechanics wondering if they shouldn't teach ol' Clark Griswold a lesson in the form of beating him up (and maybe sexually assaulting him in the bargain) for being such a pathetic little rich-boy punk.

    Once the browning of America got underway in earnest in the 90's, though (as well as mega corporate consolidation) all that was taken care of. Motels started to have consistent quality thanks to the battalions of Central American peon-labor cleaning ladies serving them. More and more blue collar trade work too. Steve mentioned how upper middle class rich-boy preppies must secretly appreciate now dealing with silent-as-a-stone Mestizo laborers and contractors instead of more socially-akin, rougher white blue collar types who can talk back and challenge their masculinity and I have to admit I resemble this remark. I have a YUGE white handyman I've been using for years; nice guy, but he definitely pulls male dominance moves on occasion- like asking me what beer is left in the fridge at the end of a job.

    So, yeah, according to Brooks the real hero of TRAINS PLANES & AUTOMOBILES is Steve Martin's uptight white collar prick characters, who can finally breathe free now that opioids are erasing all the John Candy/Dell Griffin types from the face of the earth.

    Great comment.

    Also that scene in Blues Brothers where they go to the bar full of rowdy rioting hicks, where they “have both kinds of music – Country and Western.”

    In the 70s and 80s there was definitely a strong cultural suspicion of the white working class, not entirely undeserved.

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  210. @Jack D
    Most of these are no mystery. Once you control for African-Americans and big cities you have explained most of it. Also a lot of big city department "reduce crime" by downgrading crime reports.

    There are certainly some depressed places in America and while they don't contain a lot of people they contain a lot of misery spread over large areas. Parts of W. Virginia, the Indian reservations of N. Dakota, etc. - there are some pretty bleak places.

    Also a lot of big city department “reduce crime” by downgrading crime reports.

    Thanks for the ass-pull. It’s been an education.

    Once you control for African-Americans and big cities you have explained most of it.

    That absorbs a great deal of the difference in homicide rates, not the other metrics.

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  211. @Jack D
    You must have lived in a different America than Abe and I. Or at least stayed at pricier hotels.

    Some of the chicken coop style motels of that era still exist though in most cases they have been cleaned up. No more 13" B&W TVs with blurry pictures.

    You must have lived in a different America than Abe and I. Or at least stayed at pricier hotels.

    No, at Ramada Inn and Holiday Inn.

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    Places used to exist and probably still do like this: https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g2227688-d2227689-r133615802-Winston_Motor_Hotel-Pickle_Lake_Kenora_District_Ontario.html (in Canada, but you get the idea). Perhaps it's not really so bad as all that, and in fact the reviewer is a little harsh, but definitely places exist that are subpar. I can't say whether they were any more common during decades I wasn't alive in.
    , @Jack D
    Especially in rural areas and for those on a budget, there was a whole universe of locally owned motels that were a notch (or many notches) below the chain operations.
    , @J.Ross
    You both lost out: in my youth "Ramada" was, with wierd consistency, an alternate spelling for "airport cathouse."
    , @Johann Ricke

    No, at Ramada Inn and Holiday Inn.
     
    Those are three star hotels. One and two star motels are a whole other category, now greatly-improved by a combo of Patels and national franchise brands.
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  212. @Forbes
    Brooks needs to get out more often--at least this century. I drive about the Northeast frequently enough, that when I stop off the highway for a bite to eat or for gas (or places where I visit friends), I wonder, "where did these people come from" as they are not native to the area, to the country. Here's one clue for Brooks: English is not spoken...

    He writes garbage like this because his readers have to take his word for it--they wouldn't be caught dead anywhere in rural America.

    Rural America must be ridiculed, when not just feared, in the Brooks world. His theoretical New England route is likely a puppy-whistlish acknowledgement of that famous post-election map that showed so much red.

    The enterprising traveler could drive coast to coast passing only through red counties. Variations on a theme would allow similar itineraries. Think of that trip planning as a party activity for the right-minded, and could help acquaint kids with geography and demography.

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  213. Liberal reporter Jason DeParle’s article about the children of Salvadoran immigrants in Langley Park, MD remains a must-read corrective to this sort of David Brooks nonsense about immigrants being new-and-improved Americans. In reality, immigrants with low human capital tend to have kids with low human capital. And they don’t share the work ethic or gratitude of their parents, so they end up assimilating into the underclass:

    Now nearly two-thirds Latino and foreign-born, it has the aesthetics of suburban sprawl and the aura of Central America. Laundromats double as money-transfer stores. Jobless men drink and sleep in the sun. There is no city government, few community leaders, and little community.

    Part of what sets the area apart is the strain between immigrant parents and their Americanizing children, who wince at their accents and dirty jobs. Langley Park is an immigrant neighborhood where it is an insult to be called an immigrant. Teenagers call the rough-looking newcomers “hinchos,” or “hicks.”

    “Hinchos try to look black, but they’re not as good at it as we are,” said Jesselyn’s 14-year-old brother, Victor Jr.

    Weak parental authority abets strong gangs. The dominant force in many young lives is Mara Salvatrucha-13, or MS-13, which is known for its violence and international reach. But there are scores of lesser cliques — Street Thug Criminals, Sexy but Stupid — that strive to live up to their name.

    Republicans who are quick to point out they’re only against illegal immigration should note that these Salvadoran immigrants were legal ones.

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    Just so you know, young Latin men have zero inherent interest in joining gangs and this is actually purely a consequence of excessive immigration enforcement forcing their hand. I was recently informed of this when I came across this gem on Twitter by someone named @wavebyebye0000

    MS 13 recruits with threats of violence. If you are undocumented and being targeted for recruitment by MS 13 you can’t go to the cops anymore for protection because you fear you and your family will be deported. Trump is the best thing to happen to MS 13.
     
    https://twitter.com/wavebyebye0000/status/958369555163860994?s=17
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  214. @Art Deco
    Personal income per capita in West Virginia is closer to the national mean than it has been at any time since systemic data collection on income and production began in the 1920s. (It's currently about 79% of national means; much of the deficit is attributable to the fact that it's a very rural state). It also has an abnormally large rural lumpenproletariat who produce very little output. Those people aren't making Brooks world worse, they're not prevalent at all outside West Virginia and some adjacent zones, and they're not going to magically disappear just because you allow Mexicans to walk across the border whenever they care to.

    But…but…Diversity…Vibrant… MultiCulti…-n- stuff.

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  215. @Angry WASP
    That has been the quintessential Jewish assumption from the beginning - that White Protestant Americans are all stupid and lazy and deserve to be wiped off the face of the earth. As a man smart enough to earn perfect scores in my GRE's, and hard-working enough to wake up at 5:00 AM every morning to go to work, and not come home to dinner until 7:30 PM, I very much beg to differ, my evil blue eyes, my satanic fair skin, and my psychopathic straight Anglo-Saxon nose notwithstanding.

    Angry, the sad thing is that an ass wipe like Brooks makes you, well, angry. You should take joy in your life knowing that you are on the right path, and people like Brooks want you to stumble and fall.

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  216. @Forbes
    Brooks needs to get out more often--at least this century. I drive about the Northeast frequently enough, that when I stop off the highway for a bite to eat or for gas (or places where I visit friends), I wonder, "where did these people come from" as they are not native to the area, to the country. Here's one clue for Brooks: English is not spoken...

    He writes garbage like this because his readers have to take his word for it--they wouldn't be caught dead anywhere in rural America.

    Forbes, does Brooks really think that refugees, brought to our shores, really want to live in rural America, and not, to them anyhow, the urban meccas that are Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis , Cleveland and Buffalo.

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  217. At least our anti-whites elites aren’t hiding their hatred of us anymore. It’s all out in the open from the Democratic behavior at the SOTU to this piece from a paid hack for the elites.

    All to lead up to something bad for us.

    Look you don’t go full tilt boogie demonizing a entire race making them to be source of evil in the world unless you plan to do a lot worse to them. There is historical precedent for this. Hell any boy whose been in schoolyard fights knows the fight starts long before the first punch is thrown.

    We’re in the set up phase.

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  218. @Ed
    The situation for Jews is more dire in France in that their children are now openly assaulted in the streets. I don’t think French Jews are rushing to embrace Le Pen. I believe the major French rabbis still reserve most of their venom for ethnic French racists for example.

    Jews have this fatalism thing going on as a group. So I don’t think you’ll see many changes in their politics as a result of Hispanic anti-semitism. Asian anti-semitism isn’t really a thing.

    The Front National will not easily become popular among French Jews because it has an antisemtic past, and although Marine Le Pen has distanced herself from antisemitism, the party as a whole is hardly free from antisemitism. But in general, in European countries, a significant part of Jews now seem to support more restrictive immigration policies. The situation in Europe is quite different from the one in the US. A large part of immigrants to the EU from outside (not counting migration within the EU from one country to the other) it is from Muslim countries, and anti-Jewish attitudes are very common among that population. It has become clear to most Jewish people in Europe that the main physical threat for them is from Muslims, not from traditional domestic antisemites who may criticize them sometimes, but very rarely attack them physically. In the US, Muslims are a relatively small part of immigrants, and even if the level of antisemitism among Hispanics may be somewhat above the US average it is hardly so much higher that it is enough for Jews who are traditionally in favor of immigration to change their opinions. In EU countries, where Muslims are a large percentage of immigrants and it would be absurd to deny that hostility towards Jews is on a similar level among the domestic population and among immigrants, the development that Jews are increasingly supporting the restriction of immigration is inevitable (an alternative for them might be promoting mass immigration from regions without widespread antisemitism, but that is hardly realistic, the countries around Europe from which most immigrants traditionally came are mostly from Muslim countries, it is less realistic to stop immigration from Muslim countries and to promote immigration from South America and China at the same time, so they will rather just demand restricting immigration).
    It is hard to say how influential Jews are in Europe – probably less so than in the US because there are generally fewer of them in Europe, but there are still quite a lot of Jewish people in influential positions, and Jewish opposition to immigration might have a significant influence on migration policies.

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  219. @anony-mouse
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beverly_Hillbillies

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gomer_Pyle,_U.S.M.C.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babbitt_(novel)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winesburg,_Ohio

    and as mentioned repeatedly here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton

    “Beverly Hillbillies” (dumb TV comedy), sure. “Winesburg, Ohio” (complex literary masterpiece), no way.

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  220. @Jack D
    Benjamin and Brandeis were both from the South and the real WASP power in America (esp. after the Civil War) was in the North. Brandeis was nominated by Wilson, another Southerner and rare Democratic President in the 1860-1932 period. As has often been pointed out here, Jews and the Southern planter elite had a symbiotic relationship (not unlike that of the Polish nobility and the Jews) whereas Northern Jews were more in competition with Northern WASP elites.

    Felix Frankfurter was nominated to the Court by FDR. He spent his career in New York and New England. Eugene Meyer was appointed Chairman of the Federal Reserve in 1930, by Herbert Hoover. Don’t think he ever lived down South.

    In 1890, the Jewish population of the U.S. was 0.7% of the total with most fairly recent arrivals. That would have been the foundational population for your elite Jews a generation later (though there was an older German Jewish population that had appeared a generation earlier).

    Your interlocutor projects on early 20th century elites the notion (common at Unz) that Jews are a viral infection to be quarantined, rather than what they were (a somewhat alien population subject to the five o’clock shadow and enhanced screening in work settings).

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    In certain places (especially starting in the '20s) it WAS a virtual quarantine. Putting aside the clubs and hotels that were "restricted" (meaning off -limits to Jews), the same was true of big law firms, banks, corporation, medical faculties, etc. Maybe a few token Jews got thru but in many cases it was none.

    Look that was all a long time ago and in a more innocent time when racism was not associated with genocide. But it really existed and there is no point in denying it.
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  221. @Mr. Blank
    I saw this earlier when Rod Dreher posted something about it on his blog. Interestingly, a lot of his commenters — who aren’t exactly iSteve types — immediately noticed that Brooks’ column can be read as an unstated but implied attack on black Americans.

    A question for more historically informed iSteve readers: Has there ever been another time in American history when American elites felt this comfortable expressing such open contempt and hatred for their fellow citizens? I don’t mean behind closed doors — I mean stuff they were happy to say out loud in public. The closest examples I can think of are the open racism that was once directed at blacks — which doesn’t portend well for the future... :(

    The open contempt expressed about Southerners before the Civil War is a lot like what’s said today about the pre-’65 American population.

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    Very true.
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  222. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    You must have lived in a different America than Abe and I. Or at least stayed at pricier hotels.

    No, at Ramada Inn and Holiday Inn.

    Places used to exist and probably still do like this: https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g2227688-d2227689-r133615802-Winston_Motor_Hotel-Pickle_Lake_Kenora_District_Ontario.html (in Canada, but you get the idea). Perhaps it’s not really so bad as all that, and in fact the reviewer is a little harsh, but definitely places exist that are subpar. I can’t say whether they were any more common during decades I wasn’t alive in.

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  223. @Taco
    The elites created a situation in which working class whites become downtrodden, and then instead of doing something to fix the problem, they proclaim “see how downtrodden these working class whites are? they need to be replaced!”

    Sometimes I drive down the middle thoroughfare of the concentration camp in my Mercedes. Are the huts I pass marked by high social cohesion, economic dynamism, surging wages and healthy family values? No. Quite the opposite. They are often marked by economic stagnation, social isolation, family breakdown and high opioid addiction.

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  224. @Art Deco
    Felix Frankfurter was nominated to the Court by FDR. He spent his career in New York and New England. Eugene Meyer was appointed Chairman of the Federal Reserve in 1930, by Herbert Hoover. Don't think he ever lived down South.

    In 1890, the Jewish population of the U.S. was 0.7% of the total with most fairly recent arrivals. That would have been the foundational population for your elite Jews a generation later (though there was an older German Jewish population that had appeared a generation earlier).

    Your interlocutor projects on early 20th century elites the notion (common at Unz) that Jews are a viral infection to be quarantined, rather than what they were (a somewhat alien population subject to the five o'clock shadow and enhanced screening in work settings).

    In certain places (especially starting in the ’20s) it WAS a virtual quarantine. Putting aside the clubs and hotels that were “restricted” (meaning off -limits to Jews), the same was true of big law firms, banks, corporation, medical faculties, etc. Maybe a few token Jews got thru but in many cases it was none.

    Look that was all a long time ago and in a more innocent time when racism was not associated with genocide. But it really existed and there is no point in denying it.

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    Putting aside the clubs and hotels that were “restricted” (meaning off -limits to Jews), the same was true of big law firms, banks, corporation, medical faculties, etc.

    That's probably because everyone thought Jews had horns back then.

    But it really existed and there is no point in denying it.

    Is there any point in denying the fact that Jewish people probably acted in ways that gave people reasons to dislike them and want to keep them out?

    , @Samuel Skinner
    The belief was if you let in Jews they would proceed to hire only Jews and squeeze out everyone else. A belief that turned out to be 100% correct.

    Look that was all a long time ago and in a more innocent time when racism was not associated with genocide.
     
    The term racism dates from the 20th century. Prior to that people were perfectly aware of people committing mass murder against other ethnic groups. "People are different and the differences are innate" was taken for granted (because it happens to be true) and the idea you could solve mass murder by systematic lying to people was too stupid for anyone to serious consider.
    , @Art Deco
    In certain places (especially starting in the ’20s) it WAS a virtual quarantine. Putting aside the clubs and hotels that were “restricted” (meaning off -limits to Jews), the same was true of big law firms, banks, corporation, medical faculties, etc. Maybe a few token Jews got thru but in many cases it was none.

    No, there wasn't a 'quarantine' of the sort he would like. You're referring to hiring and admissions decisions in rather rarefied realms, and some of what you're referring to I'd wager loomed much larger in the imagination of Elia Kazan than it did in everyday life (restricted hotels, the medical faculties). I don't know how Eugene Meyer and Louis Brandeis get tagged as 'tokens'.
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  225. @Art Deco
    You must have lived in a different America than Abe and I. Or at least stayed at pricier hotels.

    No, at Ramada Inn and Holiday Inn.

    Especially in rural areas and for those on a budget, there was a whole universe of locally owned motels that were a notch (or many notches) below the chain operations.

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  226. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    In certain places (especially starting in the '20s) it WAS a virtual quarantine. Putting aside the clubs and hotels that were "restricted" (meaning off -limits to Jews), the same was true of big law firms, banks, corporation, medical faculties, etc. Maybe a few token Jews got thru but in many cases it was none.

    Look that was all a long time ago and in a more innocent time when racism was not associated with genocide. But it really existed and there is no point in denying it.

    Putting aside the clubs and hotels that were “restricted” (meaning off -limits to Jews), the same was true of big law firms, banks, corporation, medical faculties, etc.

    That’s probably because everyone thought Jews had horns back then.

    But it really existed and there is no point in denying it.

    Is there any point in denying the fact that Jewish people probably acted in ways that gave people reasons to dislike them and want to keep them out?

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    Is there any point in denying the fact that Jewish people probably acted in ways that gave people reasons to dislike them and want to keep them out?
     
    So are you saying that ALL Jews back then were unlikable or that if a certain % of a race or group is unlikable then it is justifiable to categorically exclude all of them from your establishment or organization? Does that include WASPs?
    , @Art Deco
    Is there any point in denying the fact that Jewish people probably acted in ways that gave people reasons to dislike them and want to keep them out?

    Yes there is. Different subsets of humanity have different manners, and that generates a certain amount of social segregation. It's also true that affiliation and exclusion can occur for quite different reasons - i.e. doing something is simply status-lowering in and of itself. Your fantasies aside, Hy Goldberg and his cousins aren't making your world worse in any systematic way, however much it pleases you to pretend otherwise.
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  227. @Art Deco
    About 1.67% of the whole population is employed in 'Architecture and Engineering Occupations'. In each state listed, the share is as follows:

    Maine: 1.61%
    New Hampshire: 2.0%
    Vermont: 1.96%
    West Virginia: 1.24%
    Mississippi: 1.34%
    North Dakota: 1.59%
    South Dakota: 1.16%
    Montana: 1.49%
    Wyoming: 1.76%

    There is some quantum of sophisticated employment available just about anywhere. Not one of the states on that list has a city therein with more than about 170,000 people living in it.

    You know the old joke about how if a town has only 1 lawyer he will starve but if there are 2 then they will both keep busy (suing each other’s clients).

    There are some occupations that are more or less even distributed – even people in the country need architects and engineers to stamp their building plans. But there are other occupations that are practiced mainly in larger cities or only in certain cities (e.g. the film industry).

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  228. @Jack D
    In certain places (especially starting in the '20s) it WAS a virtual quarantine. Putting aside the clubs and hotels that were "restricted" (meaning off -limits to Jews), the same was true of big law firms, banks, corporation, medical faculties, etc. Maybe a few token Jews got thru but in many cases it was none.

    Look that was all a long time ago and in a more innocent time when racism was not associated with genocide. But it really existed and there is no point in denying it.

    The belief was if you let in Jews they would proceed to hire only Jews and squeeze out everyone else. A belief that turned out to be 100% correct.

    Look that was all a long time ago and in a more innocent time when racism was not associated with genocide.

    The term racism dates from the 20th century. Prior to that people were perfectly aware of people committing mass murder against other ethnic groups. “People are different and the differences are innate” was taken for granted (because it happens to be true) and the idea you could solve mass murder by systematic lying to people was too stupid for anyone to serious consider.

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    The belief was if you let in Jews they would proceed to hire only Jews and squeeze out everyone else. A belief that turned out to be 100% correct.

    In the Diamond District. I think you can put up with that.
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  229. @Art Deco
    You must have lived in a different America than Abe and I. Or at least stayed at pricier hotels.

    No, at Ramada Inn and Holiday Inn.

    You both lost out: in my youth “Ramada” was, with wierd consistency, an alternate spelling for “airport cathouse.”

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  230. Of course they react with defensive animosity to the immigrants who out-hustle and out-build them. You’d react negatively, too, if confronted with people who are better versions of what you wish you were yourself.

    Of course this is how Jews see gentiles and anti-Semitism. Jews see themselves as superior to gentiles and, therefore, anti-Semitism is based on gentile feelings of inferiority.

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    Of course this is how Jews see gentiles and anti-Semitism. Jews see themselves as superior to gentiles and, therefore, anti-Semitism is based on gentile feelings of inferiority.

    See Claude Lanzmann's documentary. It's way too long, but one thing he does is interview some latter-day residents of Chelmno in Poland. There was quite a lot of burn-my-neighbors-house-down spite directed at local Jews because of their comparative affluence.
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  231. @Art Deco
    You must have lived in a different America than Abe and I. Or at least stayed at pricier hotels.

    No, at Ramada Inn and Holiday Inn.

    No, at Ramada Inn and Holiday Inn.

    Those are three star hotels. One and two star motels are a whole other category, now greatly-improved by a combo of Patels and national franchise brands.

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    Those are three star hotels.

    No, they were perfectly ordinary chains of a sort you saw and continue to see everywhere.
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  232. @sabril
    I used to live in an all-white area (Northern New England) and it seemed pretty nice to me in terms of social cohesion. For example, you never had to lock your door.

    In terms of economic dynamism, it's true things were a bit sleepy, but I think he is reversing cause and effect. Economic success results in an upper class, which then imports a lower class to provide cheap labor which then causes social problems.

    I'm not sure what to say about opiates, since it was not a problem when I lived there. I would guess part of the problem is that the people who are smart and have their shit together tend to leave the rural areas to work in and around the big cities; the people left are more prone to drug abuse.

    Anyway, the link you provided doesn't seem to work.

    You are naive. Read this – https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/01/drug-companies-submerged-wv-in-opioids-one-town-of-3000-got-21-million-pills/

    Big Pharma began dumping very easily addictive opioid pain killers on rural and small town Middle America some time ago. The result was huge numbers of people addicted to legal dope because of doctors over=prescribing. Those new addicts by physician and Big Pharma eventually turn to the streets to keep feeding the addiction.

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  233. @David
    The open contempt expressed about Southerners before the Civil War is a lot like what's said today about the pre-'65 American population.

    Very true.

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  234. @3g4me
    @57 Art Deco: "Williamson is a much angrier man than David Brooks, who is merely supercilious. What gets you about Williamson is that he rants viciously about the shortcomings of domestic wage-earners (caricaturing them all the way, as if his quite hopeless mother were the mode)."

    Williamson's rage and hatred for working White Americans and rural towns is rooted in the fact that he's a Mulatto.
    Same as Obama, or Ben Jealous , or any other neither-fish-nor-fowl individual.

    Williamson’s rage and hatred for working White Americans and rural towns is rooted in the fact that he’s a Mulatto.

    Kevin Williamson’s not a mulatto or black in any way. He’s just got male pattern baldness, and has decided a complete shave looks better than a toupee or a buzz cut.

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  235. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Walls vs Balls. Wrecking balls on all borders.

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    Isn’t it about time we got rid of that ugly word ‘rapist’ with all the racial overtones?

    He should be called dream-lover or dreamer-creamer.

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