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David Brooks explains in the NYT:

Talent Loves English
MAY 26, 2015

Eight hundred years ago next month, English noblemen forced King John to sign the Magna Carta. It’s still having amazing effects on the world today. The Magna Carta helped usher in government with a separation of powers. It helped create conditions in which centralized authority could not totally control fiscal, political, religious or intellectual life. It helped usher in the modern Anglo-Saxon state model, with its relative emphasis on the open movement of people, ideas and things.

The Anglo-Saxon model has its plusses and minuses, but it is very attractive to people around the world. Today, as always, immigrants flock to nations with British political heritage. Forty-six million people in the United States are foreign born, almost 1 in 6. That’s by far the highest number of immigrants in any country in the world.

Canada, Australia and New Zealand are also immigrant magnets. The British political class was a set abuzz last week by a government report showing a 50 percent increase in net immigration in 2014 compared with 2013. The government has a goal of limiting immigration to 100,000 a year, but, in 2014, net inbound migration was estimated to be 318,000. Britain has the most diverse immigrant community of any nation on earth.

Some of the those people went to Britain from outside of Europe, but a great many flow from the sclerotic economies in the European Union: Italy, Spain and France. Compared with many other European countries, Britain is a job-creating paragon.

Across the English-speaking world, immigrants are drawn by the same things: relatively strong economies, good universities, open cultures and the world’s lingua franca.

The nature of global migration is slowly evolving, too. We have an image of immigrants as the poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free. According to this stereotype, immigrants are driven from their homes by poverty and move elsewhere to compete against the lowest-skilled workers.

But immigrants do not come from the poorest countries. Nations like Central African Republic, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Niger — some of the poorest countries in the world — have some of the lowest outmigration rates. Less than 3 percent of their populations live outside their borders. Their citizens don’t have the resources to move.

Instead, immigrants tend to come from middle-class countries, and they migrate to rich, open ones. You might have thought that as the world gets more middle class, global immigration would decline because of more opportunity at home. In fact, the reverse is happening. As the developing world gets more middle class, immigration has increased because educational and income gains have led to ever higher aspirations.

The situation is complex. Less than a decade ago, six Mexicans migrated to the United States for every Indian or Chinese. But as Mexico has prospered, immigration has dropped. Meanwhile, as India and China have gotten richer, the number of Indians and Chinese living abroad has doubled.

Some of the Asian immigrants are quite wealthy. According to the China International Immigration Report, among Chinese with assets of more than $16 million, 27 percent had emigrated abroad and an additional 47 percent were considering such a move.

Hopefully before they get put in front of a firing squad in Beijing’s latest anti-corruption campaign.

And this talent pool has barely been tapped. According to a Gallup survey in 2012, 22 million Chinese wanted to move to the U.S., as did 10 million Indians, 3 million Vietnamese and a surprising 5 million Japanese.

In short, it might be time to revise our stereotypes about the immigration issue. A thousand years ago, a few English noblemen unwittingly heralded in a decentralized political and intellectual model. … It’s a model that is relatively friendly to outsider talent. We didn’t earn this model; we’re the lucky inheritors.

Meanwhile, globalization, with all its stresses and strains, has created a large international class of middle-class dreamers: university graduates who can’t fulfill their aspirations at home and who would enrich whatever nation is lucky enough to have them.

In this context, Hillary Clinton’s daring approach to immigration, supporting a “path to citizenship” for undocumented immigrants already in the United States, is clearly the right one. The Republican Party is insane if its conducts a 21st-century immigration policy based on stereotypes from the 1980s.

Okay …

I really should have trimmed more, but it’s such a seamless whole. Line after line, Brooks just keeps topping himself.

Anyway, what I was wondering was: Does anybody know what duty the Israel Defense Force has assigned David Brooks’ son, the one who enlisted in the Israeli army? It would be kind of ironic if Brooks the Younger turned out to be one of the Israeli soldiers keeping out African economic migrants at Israel’s new border fence, like in this photo:

 
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  1. At first I thought Brooks was dishonestly shoving Magna Carta in support of the destruction of the nation state and unrestrained population invasion. However, on seeing the light (after consulting Jabotinsky’s Iron Wall), I realize Brooks is telling us to react to marauding criminal invaders in the same way as would medieval English householders confronted by undocumented Danes or Saracens. Happily I just bought a new cauldron, ideal for preparing pitch or boiling oil. I look forward to laying waste to their camps and enslaving those survivors as might be considered attractive, with Mr Brooks, as soon as our forces can be marshalled.

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  2. Good thing we have smart jews in the media explaining the complicated stuff for the clueless goyim.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Yes, we are very lucky to have disinterested and well-meaning people telling us what to think.
  3. WHY IS ISRAEL BUILDING A FENCE THEN, DEPORTING ALIENS TO SWEDEN AND BUILDING THE WORLD’S LARGEST PRISON THEN, MR. BROOKS?

    That is the one question I love to ask my Jewish friends who try to promote the alien invasion.

    If the alien invasion is so good for white nations, it must be the perfect thing for Israel.

    So why not send all aliens to Israel?

    Instead, Israel shoots at aliens, their police beat them up, they deport them to Sweden (yes, the best target for Israel to dump aliens on is now Sweden), build fences and are building the world’s biggest prison there.

    See:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/17/detention-centre-israel-migration

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    Israel Is a Jewish nation state. A very small one - of course you knew that, didn't you?

    You actually know very little about the exigencies related to the state's security and survival, having wholly swallowed the misinformation campaign that is currently being doled out by legacy media.

    Go visit Israel, including the West Bank and come back with your impressions and complaints, which would then have some gravity.

    Israel is no different than any modern western state striving to preserve its way of life, culture and civilisation as WE would have it - not according to the poppycock dreamed up by vacuous liberals.

    Did you speak of any Israel in any good light? Ever? E.g. did you know this:

    https://www.idfblog.com/blog/2015/04/27/israelinnepal/
  4. “And this talent pool has barely been tapped. According to a Gallup survey in 2012, 22 million Chinese wanted to move to the U.S., as did 10 million Indians, 3 million Vietnamese and a surprising 5 million Japanese.”

    Anybody but Christians – right David!

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  5. “Britain is a job-creating paragon.”

    At what cost? Who gets those jobs?

    “But immigrants do not come from the poorest countries. Nations like Central African Republic, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Niger …. Their citizens don’t have the resources to move.”

    Thank goodness. Lets hope no one flies them over here like this:

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/04/dhs-launches-family-reunification-refugee-program-for-central-americans/

    “And this talent pool has barely been tapped. ”

    Well leave it untapped! There are plenty of workers here that are begging for jobs.

    “The Republican Party is insane if its conducts a 21st-century immigration policy based on stereotypes from the 1980s.”

    Oh please. Has Brooks heard of Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and many others? Quite a few GOP candidates are pro-amnesty. Is Brooks really a conservative commentator or a RINO?

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    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Here, Brooks is dog whistling to Jeb that he's ready to hit the campaign trail as a hired consultant. 'Times have changed, 21st century, we need a new fresh perspective on making these would be imported dreamers dreams come true' its all there and all Jeb has to do is hire him on the spot.

    Irony: In 1215 the English forced King John to sign the Magna Carta. 75 yrs later, in 1290, England's Edward I, the "English Justinian" (modern Parliament comes from his reign as his government was the first to include townsmen and burghers of the various counties, not just the high churchmen and nobility to sit in Parliment), expelled the Jews from England. France would follow about a decade or so later and a few other parts of Western Europe.

    Seems that the English weren't quite ready for diversity at that time.

    The lesson of their ancestors being kicked out of various parts of Europe as well as the Middle East must have made a lasting impression on the current Israeli government, with their border fence and near instant deportation of those they don't want in to pursue their dreams of citizenship.

    For the question, where would all these new immigrants be housed: Is it a no no to reply "What about all those new settlements they've been building? Couldn't some of the African refugees be housed there, at least initially?"

    Or is that too much noticing and the question itself is not allowed to be even asked?

  6. We didn’t earn this model; we’re the lucky inheritors.

    Indeed.

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    • Replies: @Bill B.
    "We didn’t earn this model; we’re the lucky inheritors."

    If he is implying that the English somehow stubbed their collective toe on the holy grail of stateship and have - by pure luck - been disproportionately rewarded ever since ... then he should be considered more or less insane.
    , @AnAnon
    Not knowing what he said, he said it.
  7. “As the developing world gets more middle class”

    the developed world gets less……there i finished the sentence as reality dictates..

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  8. NYT has demonstrated routinely that it does not live up to its own blurb: All the News That’s Fit to Print.

    There has been a moving goalpost/Overton Window charade underway for years at that formerly respectable paper.

    Brooks is a self-parody. Journalism is worse off.

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  9. my comments aren’t making it to publication…okay, it’s there now.

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Thanks for letting us know what was going on. Your absence had been noted.
  10. “But as Mexico has prospered, immigration has dropped. Meanwhile, as India and China have gotten richer, the number of Indians and Chinese living abroad has doubled”

    isn’t that circular logic? he is saying in Mexico they are doing the opposite of India and China?

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    • Replies: @notsaying
    You are right.

    He's being ridiculous throughout this column.. This remark is self-contradictory as well. Does he have an editor?
    , @Forbes

    "But as Mexico has prospered, immigration has dropped."
     
    I would like to see the data demonstrating both "prospered" and "dropped" in this context.

    More than half (52%) of Mexicans live below the 'poverty line.' Remittances to Mexico (from the US) have doubled since 1997, and are a larger source of income than is tourism. Consider me unconvinced by Brooks' assertions.
  11. “…university graduates who can’t fulfill their aspirations at home”

    Insert “U.S.” next to university. Now that sentence is better

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  12. Meanwhile, globalization, with all its stresses and strains, has created a large international class of middle-class dreamers:

    You now, Dave, not everyone’s dreams can come true.There are certain, shall we say, logistical constraints…..

    Forty-six million people in the United States are foreign born, almost 1 in 6.

    The most depressing thing that I have read all day

    We didn’t earn this model; we’re the lucky inheritors.

    Which means that we should carefully preserve our inheritance, Dave.You know, conserve it (the origin of conservatism), so that we can pass it on to future generations.

    That means being very selective about which people get invited to share in that inheritance.

    But hey, I don’t have to tell you that. You’ve been to Israel.

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  13. David Brooks sure is explaining it all here.

    He’s explaining that there’s a tsunami of people out there who want to come to the handful of English-speaking First World countries.

    He explaining how the opinions of Americans about what goes on in their own country are simply ignored by our elite. Because he thinks we should open up our country to all the people he considers “USA-worthy”, he has said all that needs to be said, in his mind. That’s why he devotes exactly 0% of his column about what Americans might think about his ideas. He just doesn’t care what the rest of us out here think — and he sees no reason to even pretend that he does.

    If we had a functioning “Anglo-Saxon” style government, he wouldn’t have been able to write his column.

    The people who signed the Magna Carta would think we were crazy for putting up with today’s mass immigration — which hurts us, now that we are a big full country with millions of jobs being destroyed by new technology — as would any of our Founding Fathers and prior generations of Americans.

    Their advice would be to ignore any idiot that talks like David Brooks and they’d be right.

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  14. “A thousand years ago, a few English noblemen unwittingly heralded in a decentralized political and intellectual model.”

    Unwittingly? Wasn’t a “decentralized political and intellectual model” their explicit goal?

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    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    No. He has to say "unwittingly" because the system created by Magna Carta doesn't have much resemblance to that of current parliamentary systems.
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    I’m sure Brooks is proud his kid joined the Isreali Army, but I wonder if he feels constrained at all about what he can say in his columns on certain issues .

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  16. Today, as always, immigrants flock to nations with British political heritage.

    I rarely agree with Brooks, but I am glad he at least admitted this. Often when I discuss immigration with people I point this out, especially in relation to the rest of the New World. It seems most people with whom I discuss immigration think the US and other British New World nations are only well -off and stable because of luck, slavery, luck, oppression and luck. They cannot comprehend the superiority of our institutions or culture.

    With that being said, I sure wish people would contemplate this before they finally throw out the proverbial baby with the bathwater as they seemingly seek to make us part of Latin America.

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  17. Meanwhile, globalization, with all its stresses and strains, has created a large international class of middle-class dreamers: university graduates who can’t fulfill their aspirations at home and who would enrich whatever nation is lucky enough to have them.

    Yet Japan, South Korea and Israel don’t really seem that interested at all in trying to get them. David, there must be a catch.

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    “…can’t fulfill their aspirations at home and who would enrich whatever nation is lucky enough to have them.”

    Since we’ve been lucky enough to have all this enrichment, hasn’t real income been stagnant for the middle class for something like decades? Can someone at least get solid numbers on all this before we come all effusive about enrichment? Numbers, not pretty words?

    “…it might be time to revise our stereotypes about the immigration issue.”

    Or it might not be. Before engaging in revisions that have a one-way–only result (that is, that you can’t turn back), maybe we should actually know some answers, not just go off floating on vague hopes… might be… well, yeah, anything might be. What are the actual odds that it’s a good idea?

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  19. How, how, how on Earth would every immigrant from a “middle income” country we admitted “enrich” America? There’s a lot of poor people in middle income countries — we know that from Mexico. Few would be any more talented or smart than the Americans they would compete with for jobs.

    Why does Brooks choice to call his proposed group of new middle class, legal immigrants “Dreamers” when that’s the name claimed by illegal immigrants children of illegal immigrants who are trying to get us to give them a green card and citizenship?

    This guy just has no awareness at all. Obviously his New York Times editors are just as clueless.

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  20. @Chiron
    Good thing we have smart jews in the media explaining the complicated stuff for the clueless goyim.

    Yes, we are very lucky to have disinterested and well-meaning people telling us what to think.

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  21. Sometimes when I hear American Jewish commentators talk about easing immigration — guys like Brooks, Frum, Podhoretz — and stipulating that we should allow more educated people in, I wonder if they are thinking of making it easier for Israelis to come here. I mean, I’ve known a number of such Israelis, usually Russians who either bypassed Israel altogether or stayed there long enough to get a visa to come here. At any rate I don’t think he’s talking about allowing in more undocumented Poles and Irish, of which I have also known a few.

    The other thing is that the issue with immigration is twofold; it’s about allowing in educated (or tech savvy) East Asians and South Asians to Silicon Valley (because we keep hearing that the US will “fall behind” if we don’t), which has deleterious consequences that are outlined on this blog regularly: I don’t know how many are involved in this group, but I think it is probably much less than the millions of Hispanics who do a lot of scut work in our society, and who, by being off the books, frequently undercut American contractors (I’ve seen this in my neighborhood and extended family.) I think that’s the bigger problem; furthermore, if we legitimized every undocumented alien tomorrow, that would in fact create more incentive to bring in illegals to the under the table work they used to do.

    Something is not right here. As for David Brooks; all I can say is that if my children wanted to serve I would expect them to serve in the armed forces of the United States of America. Not for a foreign country.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Frum's switched sides and is now plumping for decreased immigration at, of all places, the Atlantic.
    , @Sam Shama
    There is nothing un-american about serving in the army of an ally. After all the Abraham Lincoln Brigades fought side by side with the Spaniards against Franco didn't they? If the U.S. needs my son to fight for it, he will gladly comply. Other than that, Israel is the closest ally this country has, notwithstanding the oft repeated canard "U.S. Liberty! Liberty!", etc.
  22. “We didn’t earn this model; we’re the lucky inheritors.”

    I don’t recognize David Brooks and me as part of any “we”.

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  23. @The Anti-Gnostic
    We didn’t earn this model; we’re the lucky inheritors.

    Indeed.

    “We didn’t earn this model; we’re the lucky inheritors.”

    If he is implying that the English somehow stubbed their collective toe on the holy grail of stateship and have – by pure luck – been disproportionately rewarded ever since … then he should be considered more or less insane.

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    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    Heh. I'm being a little too ambiguous for the Internet.

    There's that, and there's Ashkenazim Brooks's wheedling, somewhat panicky tone, "After all, WE didn't earn this model; WE just got lucky, so WE can just trash this venerable Anglo-Saxon model...right, guyz? Guyz? All for one...?"

    Brooks is really a repulsive human being.

  24. @Dew
    "Britain is a job-creating paragon."

    At what cost? Who gets those jobs?

    "But immigrants do not come from the poorest countries. Nations like Central African Republic, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Niger .... Their citizens don’t have the resources to move."

    Thank goodness. Lets hope no one flies them over here like this:

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/04/dhs-launches-family-reunification-refugee-program-for-central-americans/

    "And this talent pool has barely been tapped. "

    Well leave it untapped! There are plenty of workers here that are begging for jobs.

    "The Republican Party is insane if its conducts a 21st-century immigration policy based on stereotypes from the 1980s."

    Oh please. Has Brooks heard of Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and many others? Quite a few GOP candidates are pro-amnesty. Is Brooks really a conservative commentator or a RINO?

    Here, Brooks is dog whistling to Jeb that he’s ready to hit the campaign trail as a hired consultant. ‘Times have changed, 21st century, we need a new fresh perspective on making these would be imported dreamers dreams come true’ its all there and all Jeb has to do is hire him on the spot.

    Irony: In 1215 the English forced King John to sign the Magna Carta. 75 yrs later, in 1290, England’s Edward I, the “English Justinian” (modern Parliament comes from his reign as his government was the first to include townsmen and burghers of the various counties, not just the high churchmen and nobility to sit in Parliment), expelled the Jews from England. France would follow about a decade or so later and a few other parts of Western Europe.

    Seems that the English weren’t quite ready for diversity at that time.

    The lesson of their ancestors being kicked out of various parts of Europe as well as the Middle East must have made a lasting impression on the current Israeli government, with their border fence and near instant deportation of those they don’t want in to pursue their dreams of citizenship.

    For the question, where would all these new immigrants be housed: Is it a no no to reply “What about all those new settlements they’ve been building? Couldn’t some of the African refugees be housed there, at least initially?”

    Or is that too much noticing and the question itself is not allowed to be even asked?

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  25. @interesting
    "But as Mexico has prospered, immigration has dropped. Meanwhile, as India and China have gotten richer, the number of Indians and Chinese living abroad has doubled"


    isn't that circular logic? he is saying in Mexico they are doing the opposite of India and China?

    You are right.

    He’s being ridiculous throughout this column.. This remark is self-contradictory as well. Does he have an editor?

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  26. @Taco
    "A thousand years ago, a few English noblemen unwittingly heralded in a decentralized political and intellectual model."

    Unwittingly? Wasn't a "decentralized political and intellectual model" their explicit goal?

    No. He has to say “unwittingly” because the system created by Magna Carta doesn’t have much resemblance to that of current parliamentary systems.

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  27. @Mr. Anon
    "We didn’t earn this model; we’re the lucky inheritors."

    I don't recognize David Brooks and me as part of any "we".

    You’re not an American?

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    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    WE're not members of the nation of Israel, unlike David Brooks and his children.

    And no, it's not THEIR model; it's OUR model.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Your comment reminds me of the jury in "The Devil and Daniel Webster".
  28. The Magna Carta… helped create conditions in which centralized authority could not totally control fiscal, political, religious or intellectual life.

    Yes, and now Brooks would like to help reverse the process by encouraging the policy-makers to ignore public opinion.

    …the reverse is happening. As the developing world gets more middle class, immigration has increased… The situation is complex… as Mexico has prospered, immigration has dropped.

    Complex = I am going to contradict myself.

    According to the China International Immigration Report…

    Which is what? When I Google this, it seems not to exist. However, the words appear on a website that references “Annual Report on Chinese International Migration”

    http://www.oiif.org/

    http://en.ccg.org.cn/Research/View.aspx?Id=512

    The report exists in some form, but very sloppy reporting. Where is Brooks gettting his information? Did he do any research or is he just passing on something he was served by an assistant or a special interest?

    …among Chinese with assets of more than $16 million, 27 percent had emigrated abroad and an additional 47 percent were considering such a move…
    According to a Gallup survey in 2012, 22 million Chinese wanted to move to the U.S

    There are about 2.5 million millionaires in China. The number with assets greater than $16 million must be a much smaller number, but let’s say 2 million to be generous. So about 500,000 have left China (not come to the US!) and additional 1 million want to. So we should let in 22 million Chinese in the hopes that some of those millionaires (who would constitute only 1/22 of the Chinese if they ALL came to the US instead of going to Singapore, Hong Kong, Australia, etc) would come too?

    So let’s say we get 500,000 millionaires and about 15 million people with basically no assets. Is this a net gain for the US?

    ., as did 10 million Indians, 3 million Vietnamese and a surprising 5 million Japanese.

    India and Vietnam are prosperous countries now?

    In this context, Hillary Clinton’s daring approach to immigration, supporting a “path to citizenship” for undocumented immigrants already in the United States, is clearly the right one.

    OK, let me get this straight: in the past there were lots of poor Mexican illegal immigrants, but now there are some less poor Indian and Chinese immigrants, so it’s clearly correct to give the former Mexican illegals amnesty?

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  29. OK now I understand that wise Latina admitted to Columbia University about how Dave oppressed her. He’s oppressing me right now!

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  30. Brooks appears to be implying that Mexico is now so wealthy, that it’s not just middle class but actually “upper class”.

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    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    He may have the NYTimes premier debtholder (eventually equity-holder?) in mind.
  31. Maybe it’s a bit easier for a Jewish American to praise Magna Carta than it is to praise the Reformation , the English Civil War and the Glorious Revolution -which maybe have been equally if not more pertinent to the creation of the modern Anglo Saxon derived state

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    • Replies: @Bill
    Why would that be easier? Cromwell, William and Mary were big fans of our ancient friends. There's a reason our friends like "The Enlightenment" so well.
    , @ben tillman

    Maybe it’s a bit easier for a Jewish American to praise Magna Carta than it is to praise the Reformation , the English Civil War and the Glorious Revolution -which maybe have been equally if not more pertinent to the creation of the modern Anglo Saxon derived state
     
    Well, obviously you're right about the creation of the state, but you're turned around about the Jewish perspective. As Benjamin Ginsberg explained, Jews love the state and work to build the state. Centralization of power is a huge advantage for Jews because of their small numbers. They need leverage.

    The Magna Carta was an act of decentralized power, which mentioned the Jews in an "anti-Semitic" manner.

    The three later events were all acts of centralization of power, which involved or at least greatly benefitted the Jews.
  32. “English noblemen forced King John to sign the Magna Carta”: if Mr Brooks were of a scholarly disposition, he’d know that’s untrue.

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    @SPMoore8
    Sometimes when I hear American Jewish commentators talk about easing immigration -- guys like Brooks, Frum, Podhoretz -- and stipulating that we should allow more educated people in, I wonder if they are thinking of making it easier for Israelis to come here. I mean, I've known a number of such Israelis, usually Russians who either bypassed Israel altogether or stayed there long enough to get a visa to come here. At any rate I don't think he's talking about allowing in more undocumented Poles and Irish, of which I have also known a few.

    The other thing is that the issue with immigration is twofold; it's about allowing in educated (or tech savvy) East Asians and South Asians to Silicon Valley (because we keep hearing that the US will "fall behind" if we don't), which has deleterious consequences that are outlined on this blog regularly: I don't know how many are involved in this group, but I think it is probably much less than the millions of Hispanics who do a lot of scut work in our society, and who, by being off the books, frequently undercut American contractors (I've seen this in my neighborhood and extended family.) I think that's the bigger problem; furthermore, if we legitimized every undocumented alien tomorrow, that would in fact create more incentive to bring in illegals to the under the table work they used to do.

    Something is not right here. As for David Brooks; all I can say is that if my children wanted to serve I would expect them to serve in the armed forces of the United States of America. Not for a foreign country.

    Frum’s switched sides and is now plumping for decreased immigration at, of all places, the Atlantic.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Frum’s switched sides and is now plumping for decreased immigration at, of all places, the Atlantic.

     

    He's a longtime friend of Peter Brimelow. They may even have babysat each other's kids. It's refreshing to see Peter rubbing off, rather than rubbing the wrong way.
  34. You really have to be English and have a limited grasp of European history to think that Magna Carta was so significant.
    And just hundred years ago, we would be writing about francophone world. Domination of English is a result of two world wars and British Empire.

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    • Replies: @DPG
    Waterloo happened in 1815, not 1915.
    , @anon
    He's not using it as a compliment. It's flattery used as a political weapon against enemies.

    If Poland was in the process of being turned non-Polish then no doubt someone like Brooks would be flattering Poles with some aspect of their history while holding a dagger behind his back as he said it.
  35. A country’s legal system is not like its mineral wealth or its climate – any other country can take it and use it if it’s seen to work well. If the key to the success of England or America in the past was Magna Carta or the US Constitution, any country in the world could replicate that success story at home rather than sending its emigrants to Britain or America to enjoy the benefits of it.

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  36. why do so many Japanese want to come to America.

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  37. “””The Magna Carta helped usher in government with a separation of powers. It helped create conditions in which centralized authority could not totally control fiscal, political, religious or intellectual life. It helped usher in the modern Anglo-Saxon state model, with its relative emphasis on the open movement of people, ideas and things.”””

    Don’t forget the Magna Carta also protected widows and orphans from Jewish moneylenders.

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  38. @Bill B.
    "We didn’t earn this model; we’re the lucky inheritors."

    If he is implying that the English somehow stubbed their collective toe on the holy grail of stateship and have - by pure luck - been disproportionately rewarded ever since ... then he should be considered more or less insane.

    Heh. I’m being a little too ambiguous for the Internet.

    There’s that, and there’s Ashkenazim Brooks’s wheedling, somewhat panicky tone, “After all, WE didn’t earn this model; WE just got lucky, so WE can just trash this venerable Anglo-Saxon model…right, guyz? Guyz? All for one…?”

    Brooks is really a repulsive human being.

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  39. @Dave Pinsen
    You're not an American?

    WE’re not members of the nation of Israel, unlike David Brooks and his children.

    And no, it’s not THEIR model; it’s OUR model.

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  40. There truly is something wrong with whites to be fooled by such obvious B.S. We’re (and by “we’re,” I include all of Western Europe and the Anglosphere) literally welcoming the demise of our people and culture because some duel-citizenship Jews are telling us that it’s a good thing.

    I hate to be harsh on my own people, but you have to wonder if such a tribe should, or, even, can, be saved. Granted, we’ll go down in history as one of the great races of all time. I mean, what a run from around 1500 to 2000. Five hundred years of almost unprecedented (actually, sometimes unprecedented) political, scientific, economic and military achievement. Well done, sir.

    But we are not suited for this age. Our inability to feel (or at least articulate) kinship to our own kind in a world of migration pressure and easy transportation is a death blow. We are unable to say, “Is it good for the whites?” Such a simple, yet powerful, question. It would allow us to cut through all the bullshit with one straightforward question.

    The Jews get it. The Japanese get it. Hell, practically, everybody gets it, including many groups with a lot lower average IQ than white. They might be stupid, but they’re not crazy.

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  41. I don’t know if this will work for other readers, but Brooks reminds me of that initial acquaintance I would make when moving to a new town or going to a new school. This initial has acquaintance is friendly and makes for a good introduction to the new scene. But after a couple of engagements he starts to get on my nerves. And I feel bad about it, because he really has helped in my transition. But still…he really is annoying. In time, however, it becomes apparent that I’m not using him to get acquainted to my new social scene; rather he’s using me because nobody else wants to deal with him.

    Fast forward a year and I’ve long since moved on….I run into him in the hallway and I find that my annoyance has morphed into contempt. And I don’t even feel that bad about it anymore.

    Brooks is like that for me as I became an adult and started to get into the news. He’s that friendly, initial acquaintance who’s always accessible. After a couple more of his “insightful” columns, I could no longer read him without feeling like I was in the throes of a sweaty wedgie.

    And now, years later, it’s full-on contempt. I struggle to even make it through his insipid opening paragraph. I yearn for a large hammer. My desire to go into overkill mode and smash my computer into granular dust is both profound and troubling.

    YET..it is oh so understandable. And by the time one concludes his turgid pile of sh*t, it really quite reasonable.

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  42. “Dave Pinsen says:

    You’re not an American?”

    Wow – snarkiness – gosh, that’s original. Did you learn that from John Stewart?

    Yes, I am an American. And I don’t feel the need to view anyone as a countrymen who’s chief aim seems to be the dismantling of my country. This country is no longer defined by my ancestors – it is no longer the country that they founded for THEIR posterity. I don’t see why I should play along with the rules created by a hostile elite for their own advantage. He is not part of any “we” that I recognize. “We” are most definitely not all in this together.

    I’m happy to view you as not part of “we” either.

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  43. Brooks can see the obvious; good for him. He also picks up on various memes without examining their content.

    The meme that exasperates me is this one, found almost at the end of the column: “ (foreign) university graduates who can’t fulfill their aspirations at home and who would enrich whatever nation is lucky enough to have them.” That’s a mistake, as we already have plenty of smart people here in America.

    Unfortunately, they are unemployed as the elites go after Indians and Chinese to work cheap.

    And how about the near future, when genetic optimization kicks in. At that point, being clever will be a commonplace. Who will you choose to work for you then? Really, this question becomes who do you trust and who is worthy to share your patrimony?

    Well, “clever” is not really a commonplace at this time, and Brooks personifies this idea. After all, he didn’t recognize a PR or propaganda meme when he saw it, and worse, repeated it.

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    He may be a lucky inheritor of the decentralized political model heralded by the Magna Carta, but are the Indians and Chinese able to preserve it? Seeing how India and China are governed, by absurdly centralized bureaucratic administrations, and the manner they consistently vote in the U.S. for the party that promises more centralization…

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  45. Immigrants like to come to the US and UK because that is where they can go. The governments of those countries want immigration, preferably illegal, for the cheap labor. Other governments make more efforts to keep immigration low.

    There is actually a germ of historical truth buried in Brooks argument, though I doubt Brooks himself is aware of it. In the seventeenth and eighteenth century the policy of the English and UK government towards its American colonies was unique in many respects. They pretty much let anyone who wanted to settle in the thirteen colonies go there, regardless of which country they were originally from. The French, Spanish, and Portuguese controlled carefully who was allowed to settle in their colonies.

    The result was that the thirteen colonies had really rapid population growth, and was able to overwhelm the French in Canada, who didn’t have the large Native American population to counteract the effects of their immigration policy like the Spanish had. But by 1775, the thirteen colonies had reached a population of 2.4 million! This is a huge difference from the 300 plus million in the US today. There is also a big difference (literally in terms of numbers) of the US population in the nineteenth century as compared to today.

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  46. @Victor
    WHY IS ISRAEL BUILDING A FENCE THEN, DEPORTING ALIENS TO SWEDEN AND BUILDING THE WORLD'S LARGEST PRISON THEN, MR. BROOKS?

    That is the one question I love to ask my Jewish friends who try to promote the alien invasion.

    If the alien invasion is so good for white nations, it must be the perfect thing for Israel.

    So why not send all aliens to Israel?

    Instead, Israel shoots at aliens, their police beat them up, they deport them to Sweden (yes, the best target for Israel to dump aliens on is now Sweden), build fences and are building the world's biggest prison there.

    See:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/17/detention-centre-israel-migration

    Israel Is a Jewish nation state. A very small one – of course you knew that, didn’t you?

    You actually know very little about the exigencies related to the state’s security and survival, having wholly swallowed the misinformation campaign that is currently being doled out by legacy media.

    Go visit Israel, including the West Bank and come back with your impressions and complaints, which would then have some gravity.

    Israel is no different than any modern western state striving to preserve its way of life, culture and civilisation as WE would have it – not according to the poppycock dreamed up by vacuous liberals.

    Did you speak of any Israel in any good light? Ever? E.g. did you know this:

    https://www.idfblog.com/blog/2015/04/27/israelinnepal/

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    Israel Is a Jewish nation state. A very small one – of course you knew that, didn’t you?
     
    Yeah, he knows that, but it's completely irrelevant, so he properly ignores it.

    None of what you say distinguishes Israel's situation from ours. It just marks you as ignorant or contemptuous of our intelligence.
  47. @The Anti-Gnostic
    We didn’t earn this model; we’re the lucky inheritors.

    Indeed.

    Not knowing what he said, he said it.

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  48. @SPMoore8
    Sometimes when I hear American Jewish commentators talk about easing immigration -- guys like Brooks, Frum, Podhoretz -- and stipulating that we should allow more educated people in, I wonder if they are thinking of making it easier for Israelis to come here. I mean, I've known a number of such Israelis, usually Russians who either bypassed Israel altogether or stayed there long enough to get a visa to come here. At any rate I don't think he's talking about allowing in more undocumented Poles and Irish, of which I have also known a few.

    The other thing is that the issue with immigration is twofold; it's about allowing in educated (or tech savvy) East Asians and South Asians to Silicon Valley (because we keep hearing that the US will "fall behind" if we don't), which has deleterious consequences that are outlined on this blog regularly: I don't know how many are involved in this group, but I think it is probably much less than the millions of Hispanics who do a lot of scut work in our society, and who, by being off the books, frequently undercut American contractors (I've seen this in my neighborhood and extended family.) I think that's the bigger problem; furthermore, if we legitimized every undocumented alien tomorrow, that would in fact create more incentive to bring in illegals to the under the table work they used to do.

    Something is not right here. As for David Brooks; all I can say is that if my children wanted to serve I would expect them to serve in the armed forces of the United States of America. Not for a foreign country.

    There is nothing un-american about serving in the army of an ally. After all the Abraham Lincoln Brigades fought side by side with the Spaniards against Franco didn’t they? If the U.S. needs my son to fight for it, he will gladly comply. Other than that, Israel is the closest ally this country has, notwithstanding the oft repeated canard “U.S. Liberty! Liberty!”, etc.

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    I didn't say it was unAmerican. It is inappropriate. Israel hasn't fought a real war in decades, the US forces have been in continuous combat for 14 years. This is exactly opposite to Abraham Lincoln Brigade, Lafayette Escadrille, Foreign Legion, or African mercenaries. If an American wants to serve, there are ample needs and opportunities.
    , @Chris Mallory
    Israel is a parasite, not an ally.
    Turkish troops fought alongside Americans in Korea. Turkey was an ally
    South Korean troops fought alongside Americans in Viet Nam. South Korea is an ally.
    Syrian troops fought alongside Americans during Gulf War I. Syria was an ally.

    Israel sucks treasure from the American tax payer. Israel is a parasite.

    The members of the Abe Lincoln Brigades should have lost their citizenship. Just like any American who joins the IDF should lose his American citizenship.
    , @Crawfurdmuir
    "After all the Abraham Lincoln Brigades fought side by side with the Spaniards against Franco didn’t they?"

    Small correction - strike "Spaniards" and insert "Communists."
    , @fnn
    The Abraham Lincoln Brigade was a COMINTERN/CPUSA operation. That means (duh) it was, for all practical purposes, taking orders from Stalin.
    , @notsaying
    "Israel is the closest ally this country has"

    What treaties has Israel signed that commits it to defend the US?

    I believe the answer is "None."

    When the Israeli government makes still another demand of the American taxpayers and the American people, how much do they think about the cost to us -- any kind of cost, including political, financial, the lives of our military members?

    I believe the answer to that is also "None."
    , @Bill
    Fighting for Israel: the moral equivalent of fighting for Communism.
  49. @foxy
    why do so many Japanese want to come to America.

    why do so many Japanese want to come to America.

    Elbow room

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    why do so many Japanese want to come to America.

    Elbow room

     

    Plenty of elbow room in Japan-- the world's most forested country.
  50. Brook’s writing voice is degenerating like that of Theodore Dreiser. He can’t stand to let himself sound a slight erudite because ya know the only good prose is plain prose and the plainer the better just like everything else in life la di da da Did you know that the Magna Carta is OH MY GOD I just saw a purple dinosaur.

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  51. @interesting
    "But as Mexico has prospered, immigration has dropped. Meanwhile, as India and China have gotten richer, the number of Indians and Chinese living abroad has doubled"


    isn't that circular logic? he is saying in Mexico they are doing the opposite of India and China?

    “But as Mexico has prospered, immigration has dropped.”

    I would like to see the data demonstrating both “prospered” and “dropped” in this context.

    More than half (52%) of Mexicans live below the ‘poverty line.’ Remittances to Mexico (from the US) have doubled since 1997, and are a larger source of income than is tourism. Consider me unconvinced by Brooks’ assertions.

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  52. I would love to hear Brooks explanation of Barbara Spectre’s declaration that their tribe will be responsible for the invasion of Anglo-Euro countries by importing millions of foreigners.

    And he cites the Magna Carta. Lol. How about those missing passages?

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  53. Whites are not crazy, and do have a strong sense of self-perservation………against black people-the weakest and most down-and- out group in America. Since Whites primarily view kinship thru the prism of skin color, they mistakingly assumed that that all white skinned people -regardless of religion- are part of the White nation. Major miscalculation, but an honest mistake.

    In some ways, Whites were ironically undone by slavery because the the introduction of a large & difficult black population clouded their eyes with race, and distracted them from America’s well-cloaked elite saboteurs.

    What I don’t understand about someone like Brooks is why he would not want to have his cake and eat it too? Why not have Israel and America both as primarily European countries for his pleasure? What is there for him to gain if America turns into a White minority country?

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    • Replies: @anon
    I think they're mostly motivated by paranoia so decisions are based on the current biggest potential threat (not actual threat or future threat).
    , @QB
    It's not what he personally will gain, but rather "Is it good for the jews?" Answer is, yes.
    Anglo/Euro majority countries are way too cohesive. Gotta break that up if you're going to rule.
  54. “WE just got lucky, so WE can just trash this venerable Anglo-Saxon model…right, guyz?”

    I wouldn’t describe the Anglo-Saxon model as being “venerable”. Functional, assuredly.
    But given that model’s knack for bloodshed and violence in the name of progress, venerable is not the appropriate adjective.

    “Brooks is really a repulsive human being.”

    Why, because he is promoting his tribe, akin to you advocating for your own?

    “it’s OUR model.”

    Unless you are able to trace your ancestry directly to ængli, or Seaxe, or even Mierce, Cantie, Gewisse, Westseaxe, or Norþanhymbre, you are not part of that model. I look forward to your documentation.

    “And I don’t feel the need to view anyone as a countrymen who’s chief aim seems to be the dismantling of my country.”

    It’s your country, my country, heck, millions of people’s country.

    “This country is no longer defined by my ancestors – it is no longer the country that they founded for THEIR posterity.”

    

Not quite. Our country still practices “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”, that “all men are created equal”.

    “I don’t see why I should play along with the rules created by a hostile elite for their own advantage.”

    There is no such thing as a “hostile elite”. There are people who have gained status as a result of their own efforts, from business owners to politicians to members of the media (Mr. Sailer included) to other people who earned their wealth. Since when is it “hostile” to obtain riches through individual and collective efforts?

    “In some ways, Whites were ironically undone by slavery because the the introduction of a large & difficult black population…”

    Blacks were “difficult” because they were ripped from their homeland by some whites who sought cheap labor.

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    Since when is it “hostile” to obtain riches through individual and collective efforts?
     
    In its (2012) report, United for a Fair Economy... defines as “born in the batter’s box” those Forbes 400 rich who hail from poor to middle-class circumstances. Some had nothing growing up. Others had parents who ran small businesses. About 95 percent of Americans, overall, currently live in these “batter’s box” situations. Just over a third, 35 percent, of the Forbes 400 come from these backgrounds. Just over 3 percent of the Forbes 400...have left no good paper trail on their actual economic backgrounds. Of the over 60 percent remaining, all grew up in substantial privilege. Those “born on first base” — in upper-class families, with inheritances up to $1 million — make up 22 percent of the 400. On “second base,” households wealthy enough to run a business big enough to generate inheritances over $1 million, the... study found another 11.5 percent. On “third base,” with inherited wealth over $50 million, sit 7 percent of America’s 400 richest. Last but not least, the “born on home plate” crowd. These high-rollers, 21.25 percent of the total Forbes list, all inherited enough to “earn” their way into top 400 status.

    Bill Gates's mother sat on the corporate board of a bank founded by her grandfather. Don't pretend situations like that don't substantially contribute to the "individual effort" of getting rich. The hostility part is not having the money per se; it's using it to buy politicians to write laws that actively injure the rest of us.
    , @Sam Shama
    I entirely second your sentiments on the issues debated in this article!
    , @ben tillman

    “Brooks is really a repulsive human being.”

    Why, because he is promoting his tribe, akin to you advocating for your own?
     
    No, the two things are not akin. Immigration is aggression. He is promoting his tribe's interests through aggression. That is objectively wrong and bad.

    We are engaging in self-defense. That is objectively right and good.
  55. @Sam Shama
    There is nothing un-american about serving in the army of an ally. After all the Abraham Lincoln Brigades fought side by side with the Spaniards against Franco didn't they? If the U.S. needs my son to fight for it, he will gladly comply. Other than that, Israel is the closest ally this country has, notwithstanding the oft repeated canard "U.S. Liberty! Liberty!", etc.

    I didn’t say it was unAmerican. It is inappropriate. Israel hasn’t fought a real war in decades, the US forces have been in continuous combat for 14 years. This is exactly opposite to Abraham Lincoln Brigade, Lafayette Escadrille, Foreign Legion, or African mercenaries. If an American wants to serve, there are ample needs and opportunities.

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  56. @szopen
    You really have to be English and have a limited grasp of European history to think that Magna Carta was so significant.
    And just hundred years ago, we would be writing about francophone world. Domination of English is a result of two world wars and British Empire.

    Waterloo happened in 1815, not 1915.

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  57. @IHTG
    Brooks appears to be implying that Mexico is now so wealthy, that it's not just middle class but actually "upper class".

    He may have the NYTimes premier debtholder (eventually equity-holder?) in mind.

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  58. @Sam Shama
    There is nothing un-american about serving in the army of an ally. After all the Abraham Lincoln Brigades fought side by side with the Spaniards against Franco didn't they? If the U.S. needs my son to fight for it, he will gladly comply. Other than that, Israel is the closest ally this country has, notwithstanding the oft repeated canard "U.S. Liberty! Liberty!", etc.

    Israel is a parasite, not an ally.
    Turkish troops fought alongside Americans in Korea. Turkey was an ally
    South Korean troops fought alongside Americans in Viet Nam. South Korea is an ally.
    Syrian troops fought alongside Americans during Gulf War I. Syria was an ally.

    Israel sucks treasure from the American tax payer. Israel is a parasite.

    The members of the Abe Lincoln Brigades should have lost their citizenship. Just like any American who joins the IDF should lose his American citizenship.

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    Sadly for you, Mr. Mallory, the greater majority of Americans, of various religious and ethnic backgrounds, soundly disagree with you.

    You can be as shrill as your voice will permit, but here is a wager: lets speak in a year and every year for a decade thereafter, and observe if the trend has changed in your direction. If it does I'll buy you a gourmet Israeli dinner for each such occasion. You will then see the light.

  59. @Sam Shama
    There is nothing un-american about serving in the army of an ally. After all the Abraham Lincoln Brigades fought side by side with the Spaniards against Franco didn't they? If the U.S. needs my son to fight for it, he will gladly comply. Other than that, Israel is the closest ally this country has, notwithstanding the oft repeated canard "U.S. Liberty! Liberty!", etc.

    “After all the Abraham Lincoln Brigades fought side by side with the Spaniards against Franco didn’t they?”

    Small correction – strike “Spaniards” and insert “Communists.”

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  60. “Sam Shama says:

    There is nothing un-american about serving in the army of an ally. After all the Abraham Lincoln Brigades fought side by side with the Spaniards against Franco didn’t they?”

    The Republican government of Spain was not an ally. And if you don’t think that fighting under the direction of Stalin’s minions isn’t “unamerican” why should I particularly care what you think?

    “Other than that, Israel is the closest ally this country has,”

    Nonsense. They are the closest ally of two particular subsets of the american populace: american Jews (or at least zionist Jews) and self-deluded evangelicals. Neither of which are my tribe – so why should I care whom they consider to be our closest ally?

    “……notwithstanding the oft repeated canard “U.S. Liberty! Liberty!”, etc.”

    The attack on the Liberty was not a “canard” – it was a historical fact. Why are some people so intent on persuading Americans to forget it?

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    "Nonsense. They are the closest ally of two particular subsets of the american populace: american Jews (or at least zionist Jews) and self-deluded evangelicals. "

    So the "subsets", even if we accept your narrow definitions, consist of 3% and 27% respectively of the U.S. population. You should also know that about 70% of the U.S. population aged 55 and older, support Israel in its struggle to remain a viable western democracy in the midst of chaos. The relative lack of support among the 18-29 year olds, about 30% of that cohort to be precise, is likely due to a non-preference for religion.

    So one can slice the data in any number of ways yet draw the basic conclusion that the "subsets" that you cursorily dismiss as self deluded etc., are not marginal at all, but in fact represent a substantial majority, one that maintains an uncluttered understanding of a few very basic rules: know who your friends are, know which values are important to you and which policies are in the long-term interest of the USA. The revealed preference for Israel is therefore a QED.

    Pushing the Liberty incident as a deliberate attack puts you squarely in the position of a conspiracy theorist, dismissing the investigations of the US government, which concluded that it was a case of mistaken identity. Sorry, but these things happen during wars!
  61. @Sam Shama
    There is nothing un-american about serving in the army of an ally. After all the Abraham Lincoln Brigades fought side by side with the Spaniards against Franco didn't they? If the U.S. needs my son to fight for it, he will gladly comply. Other than that, Israel is the closest ally this country has, notwithstanding the oft repeated canard "U.S. Liberty! Liberty!", etc.

    The Abraham Lincoln Brigade was a COMINTERN/CPUSA operation. That means (duh) it was, for all practical purposes, taking orders from Stalin.

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    So fine.

    Even if one were to accept your premise as true, it does leave one to speculate. Are you in fact saying that while the Abe Lincoln Brigade, fighting for the Spanish Republic "the communists", is NOT un-American, yet serving the IDF, an army that protects a beleaguered ally, a modern democratic state, with free markets and a western legal system, somehow makes the volunteer a persona non grata?

    You need to re-claim the logic box checked out at the door.
  62. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @szopen
    You really have to be English and have a limited grasp of European history to think that Magna Carta was so significant.
    And just hundred years ago, we would be writing about francophone world. Domination of English is a result of two world wars and British Empire.

    He’s not using it as a compliment. It’s flattery used as a political weapon against enemies.

    If Poland was in the process of being turned non-Polish then no doubt someone like Brooks would be flattering Poles with some aspect of their history while holding a dagger behind his back as he said it.

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    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    There truly is something wrong with whites to be fooled by such obvious B.S. We're (and by "we're," I include all of Western Europe and the Anglosphere) literally welcoming the demise of our people and culture because some duel-citizenship Jews are telling us that it's a good thing.

    I hate to be harsh on my own people, but you have to wonder if such a tribe should, or, even, can, be saved. Granted, we'll go down in history as one of the great races of all time. I mean, what a run from around 1500 to 2000. Five hundred years of almost unprecedented (actually, sometimes unprecedented) political, scientific, economic and military achievement. Well done, sir.

    But we are not suited for this age. Our inability to feel (or at least articulate) kinship to our own kind in a world of migration pressure and easy transportation is a death blow. We are unable to say, "Is it good for the whites?" Such a simple, yet powerful, question. It would allow us to cut through all the bullshit with one straightforward question.

    The Jews get it. The Japanese get it. Hell, practically, everybody gets it, including many groups with a lot lower average IQ than white. They might be stupid, but they're not crazy.

    Yes. It’s quite amazing really.

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    @Merema
    Whites are not crazy, and do have a strong sense of self-perservation.........against black people-the weakest and most down-and- out group in America. Since Whites primarily view kinship thru the prism of skin color, they mistakingly assumed that that all white skinned people -regardless of religion- are part of the White nation. Major miscalculation, but an honest mistake.

    In some ways, Whites were ironically undone by slavery because the the introduction of a large & difficult black population clouded their eyes with race, and distracted them from America's well-cloaked elite saboteurs.

    What I don't understand about someone like Brooks is why he would not want to have his cake and eat it too? Why not have Israel and America both as primarily European countries for his pleasure? What is there for him to gain if America turns into a White minority country?

    I think they’re mostly motivated by paranoia so decisions are based on the current biggest potential threat (not actual threat or future threat).

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    People like Brooks have been saying for *decades* that mass immigration brings prosperity and it clearly hasn’t.

    The reason is mass immigration drives down or stagnates incomes while increasing housing costs thus reducing discretionary income. Spending on necessities (particularly housing) goes up and spending on everything else goes down hence the entire western world in the grip of a deflationary spiral.

    Mass immigration destroys prosperity.

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    It brings prosperity to oligarchs (ie the people who employee David Brooks).
    Not surprisingly, David Brooks advocates policies that will make his employers richer.

    Sure those policies make regular Americans poorer, but David Brooks doesn't work for regular Americans. They don't pay his salary. Also, David Brooks is Israeli, so the long-term welfare of Americans is largely irrelevant to him anyway.

    The reason is mass immigration drives down or stagnates incomes while increasing housing costs thus reducing discretionary income. Spending on necessities (particularly housing) goes up and spending on everything else goes down hence the entire western world in the grip of a deflationary spiral.
     
    I've been saying that for a while.

    Los Angeles county is a good example of a place that used to be a middle class paradise, but is now completely unaffordable to Americans.

    What happened?

    Immigrants drove down wages and drove up housing costs. So non-elite American families generally can't afford LA anymore. There are also many wealthy immigrants from clannish background (Persians, Armenians, Jews from the Middle East and former Soviet Union) who end up with a lot of higher end housing. The best real estate in America is gone from American hands.
  66. “We didn’t earn this model; we’re the lucky inheritors.”

    Also the argument that “Unlucky to be born in a third world country”.

    These are in essence, Neo-Marxian arguments, which is what modern economics has inherited alot of baggage from.

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    “We didn’t earn this model; we’re the lucky inheritors.”
     
    David Brooks is correct. His people (ie Jews) didn't earn the right to run America. They inherited it from the WASPs who did build this country.
  67. “Folder Tunne says:

    ““We didn’t earn this model; we’re the lucky inheritors.””

    Also the argument that “Unlucky to be born in a third world country”.

    These are in essence, Neo-Marxian arguments, which is what modern economics has inherited alot of baggage from.”

    A common term in use is “by accident of birth” – a ridiculous term. There is nothing accidental about what country a person is born in, or to what parents. There is nothing less accidental.

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  68. @Merema
    Whites are not crazy, and do have a strong sense of self-perservation.........against black people-the weakest and most down-and- out group in America. Since Whites primarily view kinship thru the prism of skin color, they mistakingly assumed that that all white skinned people -regardless of religion- are part of the White nation. Major miscalculation, but an honest mistake.

    In some ways, Whites were ironically undone by slavery because the the introduction of a large & difficult black population clouded their eyes with race, and distracted them from America's well-cloaked elite saboteurs.

    What I don't understand about someone like Brooks is why he would not want to have his cake and eat it too? Why not have Israel and America both as primarily European countries for his pleasure? What is there for him to gain if America turns into a White minority country?

    It’s not what he personally will gain, but rather “Is it good for the jews?” Answer is, yes.
    Anglo/Euro majority countries are way too cohesive. Gotta break that up if you’re going to rule.

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  69. @interesting
    my comments aren't making it to publication...okay, it's there now.

    Thanks for letting us know what was going on. Your absence had been noted.

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  70. @sb
    Maybe it's a bit easier for a Jewish American to praise Magna Carta than it is to praise the Reformation , the English Civil War and the Glorious Revolution -which maybe have been equally if not more pertinent to the creation of the modern Anglo Saxon derived state

    Why would that be easier? Cromwell, William and Mary were big fans of our ancient friends. There’s a reason our friends like “The Enlightenment” so well.

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  71. @Sam Shama
    There is nothing un-american about serving in the army of an ally. After all the Abraham Lincoln Brigades fought side by side with the Spaniards against Franco didn't they? If the U.S. needs my son to fight for it, he will gladly comply. Other than that, Israel is the closest ally this country has, notwithstanding the oft repeated canard "U.S. Liberty! Liberty!", etc.

    “Israel is the closest ally this country has”

    What treaties has Israel signed that commits it to defend the US?

    I believe the answer is “None.”

    When the Israeli government makes still another demand of the American taxpayers and the American people, how much do they think about the cost to us — any kind of cost, including political, financial, the lives of our military members?

    I believe the answer to that is also “None.”

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  72. @Desiderius

    why do so many Japanese want to come to America.
     
    Elbow room

    why do so many Japanese want to come to America.

    Elbow room

    Plenty of elbow room in Japan– the world’s most forested country.

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  73. @Sam Shama
    There is nothing un-american about serving in the army of an ally. After all the Abraham Lincoln Brigades fought side by side with the Spaniards against Franco didn't they? If the U.S. needs my son to fight for it, he will gladly comply. Other than that, Israel is the closest ally this country has, notwithstanding the oft repeated canard "U.S. Liberty! Liberty!", etc.

    Fighting for Israel: the moral equivalent of fighting for Communism.

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  74. @Anon
    Frum's switched sides and is now plumping for decreased immigration at, of all places, the Atlantic.

    Frum’s switched sides and is now plumping for decreased immigration at, of all places, the Atlantic.

    He’s a longtime friend of Peter Brimelow. They may even have babysat each other’s kids. It’s refreshing to see Peter rubbing off, rather than rubbing the wrong way.

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    Was Frum ever an advocate for uncontrolled mass immigration?

    Or just some sort of high-IQ (i.e. very few Mexicans) selective immigration?
  75. @Corvinus
    “WE just got lucky, so WE can just trash this venerable Anglo-Saxon model…right, guyz?”

    I wouldn’t describe the Anglo-Saxon model as being “venerable”. Functional, assuredly.
    But given that model’s knack for bloodshed and violence in the name of progress, venerable is not the appropriate adjective.


    “Brooks is really a repulsive human being.”

    Why, because he is promoting his tribe, akin to you advocating for your own?


    “it’s OUR model.”

    Unless you are able to trace your ancestry directly to ængli, or Seaxe, or even Mierce, Cantie, Gewisse, Westseaxe, or Norþanhymbre, you are not part of that model. I look forward to your documentation.


    “And I don’t feel the need to view anyone as a countrymen who’s chief aim seems to be the dismantling of my country.”

    It’s your country, my country, heck, millions of people’s country.


    “This country is no longer defined by my ancestors – it is no longer the country that they founded for THEIR posterity.”

    

Not quite. Our country still practices “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”, that “all men are created equal”.


    “I don’t see why I should play along with the rules created by a hostile elite for their own advantage.”

    There is no such thing as a “hostile elite”. There are people who have gained status as a result of their own efforts, from business owners to politicians to members of the media (Mr. Sailer included) to other people who earned their wealth. Since when is it “hostile” to obtain riches through individual and collective efforts?


    "In some ways, Whites were ironically undone by slavery because the the introduction of a large & difficult black population..."

    Blacks were "difficult" because they were ripped from their homeland by some whites who sought cheap labor.

    Since when is it “hostile” to obtain riches through individual and collective efforts?

    In its (2012) report, United for a Fair Economy… defines as “born in the batter’s box” those Forbes 400 rich who hail from poor to middle-class circumstances. Some had nothing growing up. Others had parents who ran small businesses. About 95 percent of Americans, overall, currently live in these “batter’s box” situations. Just over a third, 35 percent, of the Forbes 400 come from these backgrounds. Just over 3 percent of the Forbes 400…have left no good paper trail on their actual economic backgrounds. Of the over 60 percent remaining, all grew up in substantial privilege. Those “born on first base” — in upper-class families, with inheritances up to $1 million — make up 22 percent of the 400. On “second base,” households wealthy enough to run a business big enough to generate inheritances over $1 million, the… study found another 11.5 percent. On “third base,” with inherited wealth over $50 million, sit 7 percent of America’s 400 richest. Last but not least, the “born on home plate” crowd. These high-rollers, 21.25 percent of the total Forbes list, all inherited enough to “earn” their way into top 400 status.

    Bill Gates’s mother sat on the corporate board of a bank founded by her grandfather. Don’t pretend situations like that don’t substantially contribute to the “individual effort” of getting rich. The hostility part is not having the money per se; it’s using it to buy politicians to write laws that actively injure the rest of us.

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  76. Had to scroll down a bit to find the first commenter who calls out David on his closing bait & switch: http://nyti.ms/1HNQnfM

    “Meanwhile, globalization, with all its stresses and strains, has created a large international class of middle-class dreamers: university graduates who can’t fulfill their aspirations at home and who would enrich whatever nation is lucky enough to have them.”

    This paragraph is immediately followed by:

    “In this context, Hillary Clinton’s daring approach to immigration, supporting a “path to citizenship” for undocumented immigrants already in the United States, is clearly the right one.”

    Does anyone honestly believe that these “undocumented immigrants” are “university graduates…who would enrrich whatever nations is lucky enough to have them?

    The idea that these two disparate groups are one and the same is absurd.

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  77. @anon
    People like Brooks have been saying for *decades* that mass immigration brings prosperity and it clearly hasn't.

    The reason is mass immigration drives down or stagnates incomes while increasing housing costs thus reducing discretionary income. Spending on necessities (particularly housing) goes up and spending on everything else goes down hence the entire western world in the grip of a deflationary spiral.

    Mass immigration destroys prosperity.

    It brings prosperity to oligarchs (ie the people who employee David Brooks).
    Not surprisingly, David Brooks advocates policies that will make his employers richer.

    Sure those policies make regular Americans poorer, but David Brooks doesn’t work for regular Americans. They don’t pay his salary. Also, David Brooks is Israeli, so the long-term welfare of Americans is largely irrelevant to him anyway.

    The reason is mass immigration drives down or stagnates incomes while increasing housing costs thus reducing discretionary income. Spending on necessities (particularly housing) goes up and spending on everything else goes down hence the entire western world in the grip of a deflationary spiral.

    I’ve been saying that for a while.

    Los Angeles county is a good example of a place that used to be a middle class paradise, but is now completely unaffordable to Americans.

    What happened?

    Immigrants drove down wages and drove up housing costs. So non-elite American families generally can’t afford LA anymore. There are also many wealthy immigrants from clannish background (Persians, Armenians, Jews from the Middle East and former Soviet Union) who end up with a lot of higher end housing. The best real estate in America is gone from American hands.

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  78. @Name Withheld
    "We didn’t earn this model; we’re the lucky inheritors."

    Also the argument that "Unlucky to be born in a third world country".

    These are in essence, Neo-Marxian arguments, which is what modern economics has inherited alot of baggage from.

    “We didn’t earn this model; we’re the lucky inheritors.”

    David Brooks is correct. His people (ie Jews) didn’t earn the right to run America. They inherited it from the WASPs who did build this country.

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  79. Let me explain what’s happening.

    There are quite a few Republicans (Scott Walker, Santorum) who are moving to the right on the issue of LEGAL immigration. Brooks is worried that an immigration debate could erupt, which could lead to lower immigration levels. Since the benefactors of David Brooks are making huge money off immigration (especially real estate speculation and development), he’s trying to halt this debate.

    Lots of influential politicians and political operatives/consultants read Brooks and he’s got the power to sway them against the anti-immigration side. I’m sure one of the oligarch benefactors of Brooks called him up and told him to write this editorial before the situation gets out of control.

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  80. Brooks: “Meanwhile, globalization, with all its stresses and strains, has created a large international class of middle-class dreamers: university graduates who can’t fulfill their aspirations at home and who would enrich whatever nation is lucky enough to have them.”

    And more and more of those dreamers who can find no work in their own countries are white Americans, thanks to immigration advocates like Brooks and his employer Carlos Slim.

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  81. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    The ‘Anglo-Saxon’ tradition of limited/non-authoritarian government has more to do with living on an island than Magna Carta.

    Civil liberties and large standing armies can’t co-exist for long. If King John had had such an army at his disposal the barons would have found something else to do that day.

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    My question is, when they have dragged us to our death, will they just step out of their vehicle to recover the chain or will they urinate on us and drop cigarette butts on us, too?
    , @David
    Holy pretty much means a thing set apart.
    , @ben tillman

    The ‘Anglo-Saxon’ tradition of limited/non-authoritarian government has more to do with living on an island than Magna Carta.
     
    Not true. It came from, or was present in parallel, in Germany. Read Gierke. No man was above the law. The law applied to the king as well as everyone else.
  82. @Reg Cæsar

    Frum’s switched sides and is now plumping for decreased immigration at, of all places, the Atlantic.

     

    He's a longtime friend of Peter Brimelow. They may even have babysat each other's kids. It's refreshing to see Peter rubbing off, rather than rubbing the wrong way.

    Was Frum ever an advocate for uncontrolled mass immigration?

    Or just some sort of high-IQ (i.e. very few Mexicans) selective immigration?

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  83. @Mr. Anon
    "Sam Shama says:

    @SPMoore8

    There is nothing un-american about serving in the army of an ally. After all the Abraham Lincoln Brigades fought side by side with the Spaniards against Franco didn’t they?"

    The Republican government of Spain was not an ally. And if you don't think that fighting under the direction of Stalin's minions isn't "unamerican" why should I particularly care what you think?

    "Other than that, Israel is the closest ally this country has,"

    Nonsense. They are the closest ally of two particular subsets of the american populace: american Jews (or at least zionist Jews) and self-deluded evangelicals. Neither of which are my tribe - so why should I care whom they consider to be our closest ally?

    "......notwithstanding the oft repeated canard “U.S. Liberty! Liberty!”, etc."

    The attack on the Liberty was not a "canard" - it was a historical fact. Why are some people so intent on persuading Americans to forget it?

    “Nonsense. They are the closest ally of two particular subsets of the american populace: american Jews (or at least zionist Jews) and self-deluded evangelicals. ”

    So the “subsets”, even if we accept your narrow definitions, consist of 3% and 27% respectively of the U.S. population. You should also know that about 70% of the U.S. population aged 55 and older, support Israel in its struggle to remain a viable western democracy in the midst of chaos. The relative lack of support among the 18-29 year olds, about 30% of that cohort to be precise, is likely due to a non-preference for religion.

    So one can slice the data in any number of ways yet draw the basic conclusion that the “subsets” that you cursorily dismiss as self deluded etc., are not marginal at all, but in fact represent a substantial majority, one that maintains an uncluttered understanding of a few very basic rules: know who your friends are, know which values are important to you and which policies are in the long-term interest of the USA. The revealed preference for Israel is therefore a QED.

    Pushing the Liberty incident as a deliberate attack puts you squarely in the position of a conspiracy theorist, dismissing the investigations of the US government, which concluded that it was a case of mistaken identity. Sorry, but these things happen during wars!

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    "Sam Shama says:

    @Mr. Anon

    "“Nonsense. They are the closest ally of two particular subsets of the american populace: american Jews (or at least zionist Jews) and self-deluded evangelicals. ”"

    So the “subsets”, even if we accept your narrow definitions, consist of 3% and 27% respectively of the U.S. population."

    I don't know that all evangelicals consider Israel to be our closest ally. Certainly a lot do.

    "You should also know that about 70% of the U.S. population aged 55 and older, support Israel in its struggle to remain a viable western democracy in the midst of chaos. "

    The same could probably be said about their opinion of the Netherlands. By the way, what you're implying is itself wrong. Yes, they wish Israel well (so do I, by the way) - that doesn't mean they consider Israel to be our closest ally. A lot of them would sooner say the UK is.

    "So one can slice the data in any number of ways yet draw the basic conclusion that the “subsets” that you cursorily dismiss as self deluded etc., are not marginal at all, but in fact represent a substantial majority,....."

    I never said they were marginal. Jews, even at only 3% of the population are far from marginal, given thier outsized influence in the U.S.

    "one that maintains an uncluttered understanding of a few very basic rules: know who your friends are, know which values are important to you and which policies are in the long-term interest of the USA."

    It is my contention that a lot of christians DON'T know who their real friends are. And clearly, a slavish support for Israel is not in the long term interest of the U.S.

    "Pushing the Liberty incident as a deliberate attack puts you squarely in the position of a conspiracy theorist, dismissing the investigations of the US government, which concluded that it was a case of mistaken identity. "

    What investigations? Many government officials, including many in the Pentagon thought it was a deliberate attack. I have read that Yitzhak Rabin thought it was a deliberate attack. The Johnson administration white-washed the matter and made it go away. I reject your unfounded and un-disinterested assertion that to think the Liberty was deliberately attacked automatically makes one a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy-theorist. It does not.

    And do you really mean to imply that because an investigation was carried out by the U.S. Government, that no other conclusion besides theirs is possible? They would never lie to us, right? That is highly naive. Or rather it would be naive coming from someone else. Coming from you, in this instance, it is probably just cynical.

    , @ben tillman

    Pushing the Liberty incident as a deliberate attack puts you squarely in the position of a conspiracy theorist....
     
    The fact that attack on the Liberty was deliberate is proven beyond any doubt. The government has released the transcripts of the intercepted communications between the Israeli pilot and his commander.

    By the way, people who use the term "conspiracy theorist" to shut down inquiry into wrongdoing generally either have something to hide or are the lackeys of those who do.
  84. @fnn
    The Abraham Lincoln Brigade was a COMINTERN/CPUSA operation. That means (duh) it was, for all practical purposes, taking orders from Stalin.

    So fine.

    Even if one were to accept your premise as true, it does leave one to speculate. Are you in fact saying that while the Abe Lincoln Brigade, fighting for the Spanish Republic “the communists”, is NOT un-American, yet serving the IDF, an army that protects a beleaguered ally, a modern democratic state, with free markets and a western legal system, somehow makes the volunteer a persona non grata?

    You need to re-claim the logic box checked out at the door.

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  85. @Corvinus
    “WE just got lucky, so WE can just trash this venerable Anglo-Saxon model…right, guyz?”

    I wouldn’t describe the Anglo-Saxon model as being “venerable”. Functional, assuredly.
    But given that model’s knack for bloodshed and violence in the name of progress, venerable is not the appropriate adjective.


    “Brooks is really a repulsive human being.”

    Why, because he is promoting his tribe, akin to you advocating for your own?


    “it’s OUR model.”

    Unless you are able to trace your ancestry directly to ængli, or Seaxe, or even Mierce, Cantie, Gewisse, Westseaxe, or Norþanhymbre, you are not part of that model. I look forward to your documentation.


    “And I don’t feel the need to view anyone as a countrymen who’s chief aim seems to be the dismantling of my country.”

    It’s your country, my country, heck, millions of people’s country.


    “This country is no longer defined by my ancestors – it is no longer the country that they founded for THEIR posterity.”

    

Not quite. Our country still practices “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”, that “all men are created equal”.


    “I don’t see why I should play along with the rules created by a hostile elite for their own advantage.”

    There is no such thing as a “hostile elite”. There are people who have gained status as a result of their own efforts, from business owners to politicians to members of the media (Mr. Sailer included) to other people who earned their wealth. Since when is it “hostile” to obtain riches through individual and collective efforts?


    "In some ways, Whites were ironically undone by slavery because the the introduction of a large & difficult black population..."

    Blacks were "difficult" because they were ripped from their homeland by some whites who sought cheap labor.

    I entirely second your sentiments on the issues debated in this article!

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  86. @syonredux

    Meanwhile, globalization, with all its stresses and strains, has created a large international class of middle-class dreamers:
     
    You now, Dave, not everyone's dreams can come true.There are certain, shall we say, logistical constraints.....

    Forty-six million people in the United States are foreign born, almost 1 in 6.
     
    The most depressing thing that I have read all day

    We didn’t earn this model; we’re the lucky inheritors.
     
    Which means that we should carefully preserve our inheritance, Dave.You know, conserve it (the origin of conservatism), so that we can pass it on to future generations.

    That means being very selective about which people get invited to share in that inheritance.

    But hey, I don't have to tell you that. You've been to Israel.

    Very well said.

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  87. @Chris Mallory
    Israel is a parasite, not an ally.
    Turkish troops fought alongside Americans in Korea. Turkey was an ally
    South Korean troops fought alongside Americans in Viet Nam. South Korea is an ally.
    Syrian troops fought alongside Americans during Gulf War I. Syria was an ally.

    Israel sucks treasure from the American tax payer. Israel is a parasite.

    The members of the Abe Lincoln Brigades should have lost their citizenship. Just like any American who joins the IDF should lose his American citizenship.

    Sadly for you, Mr. Mallory, the greater majority of Americans, of various religious and ethnic backgrounds, soundly disagree with you.

    You can be as shrill as your voice will permit, but here is a wager: lets speak in a year and every year for a decade thereafter, and observe if the trend has changed in your direction. If it does I’ll buy you a gourmet Israeli dinner for each such occasion. You will then see the light.

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  88. @Anonymous
    The 'Anglo-Saxon' tradition of limited/non-authoritarian government has more to do with living on an island than Magna Carta.

    Civil liberties and large standing armies can't co-exist for long. If King John had had such an army at his disposal the barons would have found something else to do that day.

    My question is, when they have dragged us to our death, will they just step out of their vehicle to recover the chain or will they urinate on us and drop cigarette butts on us, too?

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  89. @Anonymous
    The 'Anglo-Saxon' tradition of limited/non-authoritarian government has more to do with living on an island than Magna Carta.

    Civil liberties and large standing armies can't co-exist for long. If King John had had such an army at his disposal the barons would have found something else to do that day.

    Holy pretty much means a thing set apart.

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  90. @Sam Shama
    "Nonsense. They are the closest ally of two particular subsets of the american populace: american Jews (or at least zionist Jews) and self-deluded evangelicals. "

    So the "subsets", even if we accept your narrow definitions, consist of 3% and 27% respectively of the U.S. population. You should also know that about 70% of the U.S. population aged 55 and older, support Israel in its struggle to remain a viable western democracy in the midst of chaos. The relative lack of support among the 18-29 year olds, about 30% of that cohort to be precise, is likely due to a non-preference for religion.

    So one can slice the data in any number of ways yet draw the basic conclusion that the "subsets" that you cursorily dismiss as self deluded etc., are not marginal at all, but in fact represent a substantial majority, one that maintains an uncluttered understanding of a few very basic rules: know who your friends are, know which values are important to you and which policies are in the long-term interest of the USA. The revealed preference for Israel is therefore a QED.

    Pushing the Liberty incident as a deliberate attack puts you squarely in the position of a conspiracy theorist, dismissing the investigations of the US government, which concluded that it was a case of mistaken identity. Sorry, but these things happen during wars!

    “Sam Shama says:

    ““Nonsense. They are the closest ally of two particular subsets of the american populace: american Jews (or at least zionist Jews) and self-deluded evangelicals. ””

    So the “subsets”, even if we accept your narrow definitions, consist of 3% and 27% respectively of the U.S. population.”

    I don’t know that all evangelicals consider Israel to be our closest ally. Certainly a lot do.

    “You should also know that about 70% of the U.S. population aged 55 and older, support Israel in its struggle to remain a viable western democracy in the midst of chaos. ”

    The same could probably be said about their opinion of the Netherlands. By the way, what you’re implying is itself wrong. Yes, they wish Israel well (so do I, by the way) – that doesn’t mean they consider Israel to be our closest ally. A lot of them would sooner say the UK is.

    “So one can slice the data in any number of ways yet draw the basic conclusion that the “subsets” that you cursorily dismiss as self deluded etc., are not marginal at all, but in fact represent a substantial majority,…..”

    I never said they were marginal. Jews, even at only 3% of the population are far from marginal, given thier outsized influence in the U.S.

    “one that maintains an uncluttered understanding of a few very basic rules: know who your friends are, know which values are important to you and which policies are in the long-term interest of the USA.”

    It is my contention that a lot of christians DON’T know who their real friends are. And clearly, a slavish support for Israel is not in the long term interest of the U.S.

    “Pushing the Liberty incident as a deliberate attack puts you squarely in the position of a conspiracy theorist, dismissing the investigations of the US government, which concluded that it was a case of mistaken identity. ”

    What investigations? Many government officials, including many in the Pentagon thought it was a deliberate attack. I have read that Yitzhak Rabin thought it was a deliberate attack. The Johnson administration white-washed the matter and made it go away. I reject your unfounded and un-disinterested assertion that to think the Liberty was deliberately attacked automatically makes one a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy-theorist. It does not.

    And do you really mean to imply that because an investigation was carried out by the U.S. Government, that no other conclusion besides theirs is possible? They would never lie to us, right? That is highly naive. Or rather it would be naive coming from someone else. Coming from you, in this instance, it is probably just cynical.

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    So the non- marginal, influence-wielding portion of the population are now deluded in your version of reality. And I am cynical!
  91. “Bill Gates’s mother sat on the corporate board of a bank founded by her grandfather.”

    It’s not what you know, it’s who you know. Connections matter. Your point?

    “Don’t pretend situations like that don’t substantially contribute to the “individual effort” of getting rich.”

    Strawman. YOU made that statement, not me. I’m not pretending anything.

    “The hostility part is not having the money per se; it’s using it to buy politicians to write laws that actively injure the rest of us.”

    Politicians historically have been “bought”, either through money or favors. It’s called special interest groups. Capitalism DEPENDS on that process.

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  92. …university graduates who can’t fulfill their aspirations at home and who would enrich whatever nation is lucky enough to have them.

    Ah, this explains why Israel doesn’t want mass immigration. It’s that famous Jewish indifference to money and material possessions. They’d rather all those trillions created by Somalis, Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, Haitians, et al, went to the US and Europe.

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  93. @Mr. Anon
    "Sam Shama says:

    @Mr. Anon

    "“Nonsense. They are the closest ally of two particular subsets of the american populace: american Jews (or at least zionist Jews) and self-deluded evangelicals. ”"

    So the “subsets”, even if we accept your narrow definitions, consist of 3% and 27% respectively of the U.S. population."

    I don't know that all evangelicals consider Israel to be our closest ally. Certainly a lot do.

    "You should also know that about 70% of the U.S. population aged 55 and older, support Israel in its struggle to remain a viable western democracy in the midst of chaos. "

    The same could probably be said about their opinion of the Netherlands. By the way, what you're implying is itself wrong. Yes, they wish Israel well (so do I, by the way) - that doesn't mean they consider Israel to be our closest ally. A lot of them would sooner say the UK is.

    "So one can slice the data in any number of ways yet draw the basic conclusion that the “subsets” that you cursorily dismiss as self deluded etc., are not marginal at all, but in fact represent a substantial majority,....."

    I never said they were marginal. Jews, even at only 3% of the population are far from marginal, given thier outsized influence in the U.S.

    "one that maintains an uncluttered understanding of a few very basic rules: know who your friends are, know which values are important to you and which policies are in the long-term interest of the USA."

    It is my contention that a lot of christians DON'T know who their real friends are. And clearly, a slavish support for Israel is not in the long term interest of the U.S.

    "Pushing the Liberty incident as a deliberate attack puts you squarely in the position of a conspiracy theorist, dismissing the investigations of the US government, which concluded that it was a case of mistaken identity. "

    What investigations? Many government officials, including many in the Pentagon thought it was a deliberate attack. I have read that Yitzhak Rabin thought it was a deliberate attack. The Johnson administration white-washed the matter and made it go away. I reject your unfounded and un-disinterested assertion that to think the Liberty was deliberately attacked automatically makes one a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy-theorist. It does not.

    And do you really mean to imply that because an investigation was carried out by the U.S. Government, that no other conclusion besides theirs is possible? They would never lie to us, right? That is highly naive. Or rather it would be naive coming from someone else. Coming from you, in this instance, it is probably just cynical.

    So the non- marginal, influence-wielding portion of the population are now deluded in your version of reality. And I am cynical!

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    I never said that THEY were deluded. They are doing what they perceive to be in their interest.
  94. @Sam Shama
    So the non- marginal, influence-wielding portion of the population are now deluded in your version of reality. And I am cynical!

    I never said that THEY were deluded. They are doing what they perceive to be in their interest.

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  95. @Sam Shama
    Israel Is a Jewish nation state. A very small one - of course you knew that, didn't you?

    You actually know very little about the exigencies related to the state's security and survival, having wholly swallowed the misinformation campaign that is currently being doled out by legacy media.

    Go visit Israel, including the West Bank and come back with your impressions and complaints, which would then have some gravity.

    Israel is no different than any modern western state striving to preserve its way of life, culture and civilisation as WE would have it - not according to the poppycock dreamed up by vacuous liberals.

    Did you speak of any Israel in any good light? Ever? E.g. did you know this:

    https://www.idfblog.com/blog/2015/04/27/israelinnepal/

    Israel Is a Jewish nation state. A very small one – of course you knew that, didn’t you?

    Yeah, he knows that, but it’s completely irrelevant, so he properly ignores it.

    None of what you say distinguishes Israel’s situation from ours. It just marks you as ignorant or contemptuous of our intelligence.

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  96. @Sam Shama
    "Nonsense. They are the closest ally of two particular subsets of the american populace: american Jews (or at least zionist Jews) and self-deluded evangelicals. "

    So the "subsets", even if we accept your narrow definitions, consist of 3% and 27% respectively of the U.S. population. You should also know that about 70% of the U.S. population aged 55 and older, support Israel in its struggle to remain a viable western democracy in the midst of chaos. The relative lack of support among the 18-29 year olds, about 30% of that cohort to be precise, is likely due to a non-preference for religion.

    So one can slice the data in any number of ways yet draw the basic conclusion that the "subsets" that you cursorily dismiss as self deluded etc., are not marginal at all, but in fact represent a substantial majority, one that maintains an uncluttered understanding of a few very basic rules: know who your friends are, know which values are important to you and which policies are in the long-term interest of the USA. The revealed preference for Israel is therefore a QED.

    Pushing the Liberty incident as a deliberate attack puts you squarely in the position of a conspiracy theorist, dismissing the investigations of the US government, which concluded that it was a case of mistaken identity. Sorry, but these things happen during wars!

    Pushing the Liberty incident as a deliberate attack puts you squarely in the position of a conspiracy theorist….

    The fact that attack on the Liberty was deliberate is proven beyond any doubt. The government has released the transcripts of the intercepted communications between the Israeli pilot and his commander.

    By the way, people who use the term “conspiracy theorist” to shut down inquiry into wrongdoing generally either have something to hide or are the lackeys of those who do.

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    "The fact that attack on the Liberty was deliberate is proven beyond any doubt."

    Not quite. The U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry, The CIA report, The Joint Chief of Staff's Report, Secy of Defense Robert McNamara's report, The Clark Clifford Report etc., all concluded, variously but pro-thematically:

    "The attack was not made in malice toward the U.S. and was by mistake, but the failure of the IDF Headquarters and the attacking aircraft to identify the Liberty and the subsequent attack by torpedo boats were both incongruous and indicative of gross negligence."

    Of course an incident of this magnitude, that involved allies, was deeply, deeply, regretted by the IAF and the Israeli public at large (needless to mention the penalties and restitutions paid by Israel). It is lamented without qualifications to this day in Israel (as you can easily verify if you speak to most Israelis with a knowledge of history).

    In other words, a war strewn maritime neighbourhood, in which Russian and Egyptian vessels were rampant aggressors, opportunistically shelling Israel, made for an environment ripe for error. Did the Israelis know about the presence of the armed U.S. telecom vessel? Yes they did (but that information was misplaced).

    Israel attacked its own tank formations, mistakenly , at Jenin during the same period.

    I need hardly dig up the many instances in which friendly fire from the U.S., others, have led to deplorable outcomes.

    Do I not understand the bitterness of the survivours? Of course I do. And I don't question your intellect. I do so, only for those who despite all efforts, fail to conceal obtuseness.

  97. @sb
    Maybe it's a bit easier for a Jewish American to praise Magna Carta than it is to praise the Reformation , the English Civil War and the Glorious Revolution -which maybe have been equally if not more pertinent to the creation of the modern Anglo Saxon derived state

    Maybe it’s a bit easier for a Jewish American to praise Magna Carta than it is to praise the Reformation , the English Civil War and the Glorious Revolution -which maybe have been equally if not more pertinent to the creation of the modern Anglo Saxon derived state

    Well, obviously you’re right about the creation of the state, but you’re turned around about the Jewish perspective. As Benjamin Ginsberg explained, Jews love the state and work to build the state. Centralization of power is a huge advantage for Jews because of their small numbers. They need leverage.

    The Magna Carta was an act of decentralized power, which mentioned the Jews in an “anti-Semitic” manner.

    The three later events were all acts of centralization of power, which involved or at least greatly benefitted the Jews.

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  98. @Corvinus
    “WE just got lucky, so WE can just trash this venerable Anglo-Saxon model…right, guyz?”

    I wouldn’t describe the Anglo-Saxon model as being “venerable”. Functional, assuredly.
    But given that model’s knack for bloodshed and violence in the name of progress, venerable is not the appropriate adjective.


    “Brooks is really a repulsive human being.”

    Why, because he is promoting his tribe, akin to you advocating for your own?


    “it’s OUR model.”

    Unless you are able to trace your ancestry directly to ængli, or Seaxe, or even Mierce, Cantie, Gewisse, Westseaxe, or Norþanhymbre, you are not part of that model. I look forward to your documentation.


    “And I don’t feel the need to view anyone as a countrymen who’s chief aim seems to be the dismantling of my country.”

    It’s your country, my country, heck, millions of people’s country.


    “This country is no longer defined by my ancestors – it is no longer the country that they founded for THEIR posterity.”

    

Not quite. Our country still practices “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”, that “all men are created equal”.


    “I don’t see why I should play along with the rules created by a hostile elite for their own advantage.”

    There is no such thing as a “hostile elite”. There are people who have gained status as a result of their own efforts, from business owners to politicians to members of the media (Mr. Sailer included) to other people who earned their wealth. Since when is it “hostile” to obtain riches through individual and collective efforts?


    "In some ways, Whites were ironically undone by slavery because the the introduction of a large & difficult black population..."

    Blacks were "difficult" because they were ripped from their homeland by some whites who sought cheap labor.

    “Brooks is really a repulsive human being.”

    Why, because he is promoting his tribe, akin to you advocating for your own?

    No, the two things are not akin. Immigration is aggression. He is promoting his tribe’s interests through aggression. That is objectively wrong and bad.

    We are engaging in self-defense. That is objectively right and good.

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  99. @Anonymous
    The 'Anglo-Saxon' tradition of limited/non-authoritarian government has more to do with living on an island than Magna Carta.

    Civil liberties and large standing armies can't co-exist for long. If King John had had such an army at his disposal the barons would have found something else to do that day.

    The ‘Anglo-Saxon’ tradition of limited/non-authoritarian government has more to do with living on an island than Magna Carta.

    Not true. It came from, or was present in parallel, in Germany. Read Gierke. No man was above the law. The law applied to the king as well as everyone else.

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  100. @ben tillman

    Pushing the Liberty incident as a deliberate attack puts you squarely in the position of a conspiracy theorist....
     
    The fact that attack on the Liberty was deliberate is proven beyond any doubt. The government has released the transcripts of the intercepted communications between the Israeli pilot and his commander.

    By the way, people who use the term "conspiracy theorist" to shut down inquiry into wrongdoing generally either have something to hide or are the lackeys of those who do.

    “The fact that attack on the Liberty was deliberate is proven beyond any doubt.”

    Not quite. The U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry, The CIA report, The Joint Chief of Staff’s Report, Secy of Defense Robert McNamara’s report, The Clark Clifford Report etc., all concluded, variously but pro-thematically:

    “The attack was not made in malice toward the U.S. and was by mistake, but the failure of the IDF Headquarters and the attacking aircraft to identify the Liberty and the subsequent attack by torpedo boats were both incongruous and indicative of gross negligence.”

    Of course an incident of this magnitude, that involved allies, was deeply, deeply, regretted by the IAF and the Israeli public at large (needless to mention the penalties and restitutions paid by Israel). It is lamented without qualifications to this day in Israel (as you can easily verify if you speak to most Israelis with a knowledge of history).

    In other words, a war strewn maritime neighbourhood, in which Russian and Egyptian vessels were rampant aggressors, opportunistically shelling Israel, made for an environment ripe for error. Did the Israelis know about the presence of the armed U.S. telecom vessel? Yes they did (but that information was misplaced).

    Israel attacked its own tank formations, mistakenly , at Jenin during the same period.

    I need hardly dig up the many instances in which friendly fire from the U.S., others, have led to deplorable outcomes.

    Do I not understand the bitterness of the survivours? Of course I do. And I don’t question your intellect. I do so, only for those who despite all efforts, fail to conceal obtuseness.

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    Not quite. The U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry, The CIA report, The Joint Chief of Staff’s Report, Secy of Defense Robert McNamara’s report, The Clark Clifford Report etc., all concluded, variously but pro-thematically:
     
    Don't treat us like morons. The transcripts have been declassified and released. We know that the Israeli pilot knew it was a US ship, and we now know that the reports you mentioned were bullshit.
  101. @Sam Shama
    "The fact that attack on the Liberty was deliberate is proven beyond any doubt."

    Not quite. The U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry, The CIA report, The Joint Chief of Staff's Report, Secy of Defense Robert McNamara's report, The Clark Clifford Report etc., all concluded, variously but pro-thematically:

    "The attack was not made in malice toward the U.S. and was by mistake, but the failure of the IDF Headquarters and the attacking aircraft to identify the Liberty and the subsequent attack by torpedo boats were both incongruous and indicative of gross negligence."

    Of course an incident of this magnitude, that involved allies, was deeply, deeply, regretted by the IAF and the Israeli public at large (needless to mention the penalties and restitutions paid by Israel). It is lamented without qualifications to this day in Israel (as you can easily verify if you speak to most Israelis with a knowledge of history).

    In other words, a war strewn maritime neighbourhood, in which Russian and Egyptian vessels were rampant aggressors, opportunistically shelling Israel, made for an environment ripe for error. Did the Israelis know about the presence of the armed U.S. telecom vessel? Yes they did (but that information was misplaced).

    Israel attacked its own tank formations, mistakenly , at Jenin during the same period.

    I need hardly dig up the many instances in which friendly fire from the U.S., others, have led to deplorable outcomes.

    Do I not understand the bitterness of the survivours? Of course I do. And I don't question your intellect. I do so, only for those who despite all efforts, fail to conceal obtuseness.

    Not quite. The U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry, The CIA report, The Joint Chief of Staff’s Report, Secy of Defense Robert McNamara’s report, The Clark Clifford Report etc., all concluded, variously but pro-thematically:

    Don’t treat us like morons. The transcripts have been declassified and released. We know that the Israeli pilot knew it was a US ship, and we now know that the reports you mentioned were bullshit.

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    So at his point, enquiring minds need to ask the following: Do you speak Hebrew? (Because if you did, you would then recognise the confusion in the voices! They were identifying an Egyptian boat) .

    This is the NSA page which makes things available for the public at large to listen, read English transcripts and draw their own conclusions:
    https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/declass/uss_liberty/recordings.shtml

    The following is the first voice recording: https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty/audio_104.wav
    transcript: https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty/audio_trans_104.pdf

    2nd voice recording followed by transcript: https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty/audio_105.wav
    https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty/audio_trans_105.pdf

    3rd voice recording followerd by transcript:https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty/audio_130.wav
    https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty/audio_trans_130.pdf

    If you knew anything about what it feels like to be in the midst of war, you would not speak so confidently about those reports being "bullshit" and focus more on what your assert, and if such assertions truly hold water. 6th fleet aircrafts of the US were reported to the UN Security council, as being over 300 miles from the conflict. So the Israelis were working under that assumption. Liberty was in the 6th Fleet.

    There is a whole controversy surrounding the "beliefs" of the survivors. Some of them have been thoroughly discredited (I did not want to go into this), and some of them have indeed admitted to lying under oath. So Caveat Emptor on the survivors recollections (mostly they suffer from self reinforcement).

    Extract from Wikipedia (which balances all sides on the issue):

    1. Accidents do occur in wartime. According to journalist Ze'ev Schiff, the day before the attack on the Liberty, Israeli aircraft had bombed an Israeli armored column south of the West Bank town of Jenin, demonstrating such mistakes do happen.[76]

    2. The incident took place during the Six Day War when Israel was engaged in battles with two Arab countries and preparing to attack a third, creating an environment where mistakes and confusion were prevalent. For example, at 11:45, a few hours before the attack, there was a large explosion on the shores of El-Arish followed by black smoke, probably caused by the destruction of an ammunition dump by retreating Egyptian forces. The Israeli army thought the area was being bombarded, and that an unidentified ship offshore was responsible. (According to U.S. sources, Liberty was 14 nmi (16 mi; 26 km) from those shores at the time of the explosion.)

    3. As the torpedo boats rapidly approached, Liberty opened fire on them. This was after the aerial attacks. At the inquiry, Commander McGonagle expressed that the torpedo boats appeared to be approaching in an attack formation. Thus, he sent a person to the forward machine gun to fire at them. After several shots were fired, McGonagle ordered cease fire. Then a machine gun on 03 level sounded like it was firing, but nobody was seen at the gun. McGonagle said that he felt sure the torpedo boat captains believed they were under fire from the Liberty. Ensign Lucas, the ship's gunnery officer who left the bridge shortly after the beginning of the air attack and then returned during the torpedo boat attack, testified that he gave permission for manned firing of the 03 level machine gun after the torpedo boats began firing at Liberty. Then, later when the gun was unmanned, heat from a nearby fire apparently caused machine gun rounds at the 03 level gun to explode.[20]

    4. Admiral Shlomo Erell, former head of the Israeli Navy in 1967, states that no successful argument of benefit has been presented for Israel purposely attacking an American warship, especially considering the high cost of predictable complications that would follow after attacking a powerful ally, and the fact that Israel notified the American embassy immediately after the attack.[77]


    I could go on, but choose rather, to err on the side of brevity, and ask for open minds to prevail.
  102. @ben tillman

    Not quite. The U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry, The CIA report, The Joint Chief of Staff’s Report, Secy of Defense Robert McNamara’s report, The Clark Clifford Report etc., all concluded, variously but pro-thematically:
     
    Don't treat us like morons. The transcripts have been declassified and released. We know that the Israeli pilot knew it was a US ship, and we now know that the reports you mentioned were bullshit.

    So at his point, enquiring minds need to ask the following: Do you speak Hebrew? (Because if you did, you would then recognise the confusion in the voices! They were identifying an Egyptian boat) .

    This is the NSA page which makes things available for the public at large to listen, read English transcripts and draw their own conclusions:

    https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/declass/uss_liberty/recordings.shtml

    The following is the first voice recording: https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty/audio_104.wav
    transcript: https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty/audio_trans_104.pdf

    2nd voice recording followed by transcript: https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty/audio_105.wav

    https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty/audio_trans_105.pdf

    3rd voice recording followerd by transcript:https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty/audio_130.wav

    https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty/audio_trans_130.pdf

    If you knew anything about what it feels like to be in the midst of war, you would not speak so confidently about those reports being “bullshit” and focus more on what your assert, and if such assertions truly hold water. 6th fleet aircrafts of the US were reported to the UN Security council, as being over 300 miles from the conflict. So the Israelis were working under that assumption. Liberty was in the 6th Fleet.

    There is a whole controversy surrounding the “beliefs” of the survivors. Some of them have been thoroughly discredited (I did not want to go into this), and some of them have indeed admitted to lying under oath. So Caveat Emptor on the survivors recollections (mostly they suffer from self reinforcement).

    Extract from Wikipedia (which balances all sides on the issue):

    1. Accidents do occur in wartime. According to journalist Ze’ev Schiff, the day before the attack on the Liberty, Israeli aircraft had bombed an Israeli armored column south of the West Bank town of Jenin, demonstrating such mistakes do happen.[76]

    2. The incident took place during the Six Day War when Israel was engaged in battles with two Arab countries and preparing to attack a third, creating an environment where mistakes and confusion were prevalent. For example, at 11:45, a few hours before the attack, there was a large explosion on the shores of El-Arish followed by black smoke, probably caused by the destruction of an ammunition dump by retreating Egyptian forces. The Israeli army thought the area was being bombarded, and that an unidentified ship offshore was responsible. (According to U.S. sources, Liberty was 14 nmi (16 mi; 26 km) from those shores at the time of the explosion.)

    3. As the torpedo boats rapidly approached, Liberty opened fire on them. This was after the aerial attacks. At the inquiry, Commander McGonagle expressed that the torpedo boats appeared to be approaching in an attack formation. Thus, he sent a person to the forward machine gun to fire at them. After several shots were fired, McGonagle ordered cease fire. Then a machine gun on 03 level sounded like it was firing, but nobody was seen at the gun. McGonagle said that he felt sure the torpedo boat captains believed they were under fire from the Liberty. Ensign Lucas, the ship’s gunnery officer who left the bridge shortly after the beginning of the air attack and then returned during the torpedo boat attack, testified that he gave permission for manned firing of the 03 level machine gun after the torpedo boats began firing at Liberty. Then, later when the gun was unmanned, heat from a nearby fire apparently caused machine gun rounds at the 03 level gun to explode.[20]

    4. Admiral Shlomo Erell, former head of the Israeli Navy in 1967, states that no successful argument of benefit has been presented for Israel purposely attacking an American warship, especially considering the high cost of predictable complications that would follow after attacking a powerful ally, and the fact that Israel notified the American embassy immediately after the attack.[77]

    I could go on, but choose rather, to err on the side of brevity, and ask for open minds to prevail.

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