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David Brooks has devoted at least part of his last four columns to worrying about what he sees as growing “tribal” emotions within the United States. From the New York Times:

The End of the Two-Party System
David Brooks FEB. 12, 2018

… Today, after the financial crisis, the shrinking of the middle class, the partisan warfare, a scarcity mind-set is dominant: Resources are limited. The world is dangerous. Group conflict is inevitable. It’s us versus them. If they win, we’re ruined, therefore, let’s stick with our tribe. The ends justify the means.

The Rise of the Amphibians
David Brooks FEB. 15, 2018

They assert that the way you see the world is determined by your single tribal identity. … In so doing they cultivate mistrust, division and emotional frozenness. …

Their lives teach that what matters is what you do with your background, the viewpoints you construct by combining viewpoints. Their lives are examples of the power of love to slice through tribal identity.

Respect First, Then Gun Control

David Brooks FEB. 19, 2018

… We don’t really have policy debates anymore. We have one big tribal conflict, and policy fights are just proxy battles as each side tries to establish moral superiority. But just as the tribal mentality has been turned on, it can be turned off. Then and only then can we go back to normal politics and take reasonable measures to keep our children safe.

The Virtue of Radical Honesty
David Brooks FEB. 22, 2018

This week I asked a group of students at the University of Chicago a question I’m asking students around the country: Who are your heroes? There’s always a long pause after I ask. But eventually one of the students suggested Steven Pinker. …

That is to say, Pinker doesn’t spend much time on the decline of social trust, the breakdown of family life, the polarization of national life, the spread of tribal mentalities, the rise of narcissism, the decline of social capital, the rising alienation from institutions or the decline of citizenship and neighborliness. …

Conscious reason can get you only so far when tribal emotions have been aroused, when existential fears rain down, when narcissistic impulses have been given free rein, when spiritual longings have nowhere healthy to go, when social trust has been devastated, when all the unconscious networks that make up 99 percent of our thinking are aflame and disordered. …

Pinker’s rationalism is not the total cure. But I have to confess, I really like him. A few years ago the magazine Moment gave genetic tests to a bunch of writers with Jewish heritage. The tests reveal that Pinker and I are third cousins. Learning of this kinship tie, I now feel special affection for him. Why? There’s no rational, scientific reason. I just do.

From Moment Magazine:

The Moment Magazine Great DNA Experiment
BY NADINE EPSTEIN September 20, 2012

They got 15 Jewish-American celebrities (Ruth Behar, Joshua Bell, Mayim Bialik, David Brooks, Linda Chavez, Alan Derhowitz, Stephen Dubner, Nadine Epstein, Tovah Feldshuh, A.J. Jacobs, Steven Pinker, Robert Siegel, Thaddeus Tobe, Laurel Touby, and Esther Wojcicki) to take a 23andMe DNA test. This is the company founded by Esther’s daughter Anne Wojcicki, who is the sister of Youtube CEO and James Damore-firer Susan Wojcicki:

Wojcicki has eleven cousins in the group and says she is distantly related to son-in-law, Google co-founder Sergey Brin.

Moment summarizes:

For the most part, we found zero degrees of separation.

This means that most of the individuals we tested were directly related to one another.

This finding far exceeds the three degrees of separation found among most Americans.

I don’t know exactly what that means, but it sounds kind of, well, tribal.

 
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    From the linked article:

    Even African residents of the town have started to complain about the mass migration of illegals into the town. A resident named Martin commented: “We live in an abandoned place, we cannot accept all these people because we do not have the strength or the means to educate them. We are not in Africa, but in a civilized country, and these people need to be educated.”
     
    That observation is not going to win him any friends on the New York Times' editorial board.
    , @bomag
    A chunk of future journalism will be a cut and paste of that article.
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  2. Conscious reason can get you only so far when tribal emotions have been aroused, when existential fears rain down, when narcissistic impulses have been given free rein, when spiritual longings have nowhere healthy to go, when social trust has been devastated, when all the unconscious networks that make up 99 percent of our thinking are aflame and disordered. …

    I’m sure that your co-ethnics in Israel could explain “existential fears” to you, Dave….Or maybe you could just ask your IDF -veteran son….

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    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    Don't IDF soldiers basically spend their time beating up blondish Pallie girls,like the one who got all that attention. You join OUR Marines as an 0311 ,you're going to have guys shooting right the fuck at you.
    Better he play it safe. And in his circles,IDF will get the clothes off faster than US Army.
    , @Altai
    I'm sure his son is just rebelling against all the unchecked universalism he learned at the dinner table. It's not like there's an extensive collection of public writing which contradicts this assumption.

    Crimes of American tribalism in modern day:
    'Reducing immigration'

    Crimes of Israei tribalism in modern day:
    Viciousness and body count too great to fathom. I'm sure Brooks must write about the Purim hate raids or about farmers with nothing but some olive trees having them taken or the constant drip drip ethnic cleansing in Jerusalem and across the West Bank.
    , @AnotherDad
    The paragraph above too:

    That is to say, Pinker doesn’t spend much time on the decline of social trust, the breakdown of family life, the polarization of national life, the spread of tribal mentalities, the rise of narcissism, the decline of social capital, the rising alienation from institutions or the decline of citizenship and neighborliness. …

    Conscious reason can get you only so far when tribal emotions have been aroused, when existential fears rain down, when narcissistic impulses have been given free rein, when spiritual longings have nowhere healthy to go, when social trust has been devastated, when all the unconscious networks that make up 99 percent of our thinking are aflame and disordered. …
     
    I mean seriously David, how either dishonest or clueless are you?

    My whole life Jewish leftist minoritarian ideology has been tearing and scratching at every thread of the fabric of regular old gentile American society--community, family, marriage, religion, traditions, heck 'effing Christmas. And then beating the crap outta of us with forced integration and mass importation of foreigners--turning America from a nation into merely a commercial bazaar.

    And Brooks has the gall to whine about "decline of social trust", "rising alienation", "decline of citizenship and neighborliness." "Decline of citizenship" really takes the cake. From a guy who every week preaches that Americans are shit and should be replaced by better, more hustling foreigners?

    You want someone to blame David? Look in the f'ing mirror!
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  3. This is the first time that I heard that Linda Chavez, of whom I have been aware for a few decades, is Jewish!?!

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    She is married to Christopher Gersten, former Bush Administration official, and is the mother of three adult sons, David, Pablo, and Rudy. She is a grandmother of nine and resides with her family in Boulder, Colorado. Chavez was raised Catholic and converted to Judaism on June 9, 1967, when marrying her husband.[8] Chavez said in 1986 that she was never a practicing Jew, and that the conversion papers were signed simply to allow the wedding ceremony to take place. She said she was "an on-again, off-again practicing Catholic."[9] Some of Chavez's distant paternal ancestors had been Conversos (Sephardic Jews who converted to Catholicism).[10]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Chavez
    , @syonredux
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdSNCZGT-lc
    , @Anonymous
    This is SUPER-EXCITING NEW SCIENCE!

    15 Jewish-American celebrities (Ruth Behar, ... Linda Chavez, ) [took] a 23andMe DNA test ...
    ... most of the individuals we tested were directly related to one another.
     
    Apparently, converting to Judaism CHANGES A PERSON'S DNA. Curious minds will want to know more. For example:

    (1) What happens if one re-converts?
    (2) Do other religions have this effect?
    (3) Does Cult-Marxism affect DNA?
    (4) Does this mean red-diaper babies are genetically doomed?
    (5) Can animals convert to religions?

    We live in exciting times.

    , @anonymous
    Based upon the Wiki reading, whatever Jewish blood Chavez had dates back over five centuries. A rather slender thread for Brooks to hang on to. Furthermore, I have read accounts that 23andMe's results are of dubious accuracy. I've heard that if you want a REAL genetic test, you need to avail yourself of the services of either a world-class research university i.e. Harvard, Stanford, "OxBridge" or something like the Max Planck Institute. Though only hearsay, I've been told the test ain't cheap either.
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  5. OT While the Smith-Mundt Media was finding Americans who didn’t know they were Russians, this was happening. Maybe Eastwood will live long enough to do a movie.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/CraigRSawyer/status/966526325497380866

    What if a non-profit org of veterans ran joint ops w LEOs & quickly caught an IRS agent, a Utah church elder, an Army recruiter, 2 illegal aliens & an organized crime boss, among others, committing child predator crimes? Isn’t that a national story?

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  6. @D. K.
    This is the first time that I heard that Linda Chavez, of whom I have been aware for a few decades, is Jewish!?!

    She is married to Christopher Gersten, former Bush Administration official, and is the mother of three adult sons, David, Pablo, and Rudy. She is a grandmother of nine and resides with her family in Boulder, Colorado. Chavez was raised Catholic and converted to Judaism on June 9, 1967, when marrying her husband.[8] Chavez said in 1986 that she was never a practicing Jew, and that the conversion papers were signed simply to allow the wedding ceremony to take place. She said she was “an on-again, off-again practicing Catholic.”[9] Some of Chavez’s distant paternal ancestors had been Conversos (Sephardic Jews who converted to Catholicism).[10]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Chavez

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    • Replies: @D. K.
    I remember June 9, 1967. I was pissed off, that Friday evening, because ABC had preempted "The Time Tunnel" because of the ongoing news coverage of the Six-Day War!
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  7. Hilarious. These people are so intellectually and morally bankrupt it beggars belief.

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  8. @D. K.
    This is the first time that I heard that Linda Chavez, of whom I have been aware for a few decades, is Jewish!?!

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  9. When you’re an MOT*, it’s kind of disingenuous to accuse everyone one else of tribalism. Isn’t it?

    Is Brooks a bit disappointed and maybe concerned that if everyone else starts thinking only about their own tribe, that they might have started on the road to wisdom that Jews trod so many generations ago?

    (* Member Of the Tribe, i.e., Jewish – yes it’s a real acronym used by, uh, members of The Tribe. I mostly remember Jews referred to as The Tribe in the Sixties but I think it’s still used.)

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    • Replies: @Rod1963
    No, he's just worried that Whites will start thinking tribal, because the other groups already do.

    He knows full well if whites(at least the lower classes) get tribal it will spell doom for the white and Jewish management classes that run the U.S. This is why these groups have worked so hard to keep populism, white organizations and nationalism beaten down. As those are the first stages of white tribalism.
    , @Simon Tugmutton
    In Britain –

    https://www.gov.uk/getting-an-mot/the-mot-test

    :-)
    , @Joe Walker
    With Jews it is always a case of "do as we say, not as we do."
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Anon7, I had never heard that term, MOT, until two sports talk hosts mentioned it. So now is tribal anti Semetic or maybe anti Whoo Whoo Indian? I can't keep up.
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  10. Brooks son served in the IDF, imagine where Israel loyalties are placed.

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  11. @syonredux

    She is married to Christopher Gersten, former Bush Administration official, and is the mother of three adult sons, David, Pablo, and Rudy. She is a grandmother of nine and resides with her family in Boulder, Colorado. Chavez was raised Catholic and converted to Judaism on June 9, 1967, when marrying her husband.[8] Chavez said in 1986 that she was never a practicing Jew, and that the conversion papers were signed simply to allow the wedding ceremony to take place. She said she was "an on-again, off-again practicing Catholic."[9] Some of Chavez's distant paternal ancestors had been Conversos (Sephardic Jews who converted to Catholicism).[10]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Chavez

    I remember June 9, 1967. I was pissed off, that Friday evening, because ABC had preempted “The Time Tunnel” because of the ongoing news coverage of the Six-Day War!

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    I remember June 9, 1967. I was pissed off, that Friday evening, because ABC had preempted “The Time Tunnel” because of the ongoing news coverage of the Six-Day War!
     
    LOL. I enjoyed The Time Tunnel as well. But that was a rerun, they expected you to be at your TV on-time to watch it during it's first run.
    , @Bill
    I hope you two have access to some website with old TV schedules. Otherwise, this is a seriously disturbing conversation.
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  12. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Rome chose its symbol to be the fasces, a bundle of rods. The meaning is: “Rods by themselves are easily broken, but when bound together are strong.” Imagine an analogy to soldiers in formation. Various European states subsequently adopted this symbol, and you can see it behind the podium of the US House of Representatives.

    “The strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack.”

    “Oy vey, that’s collectivist Goy. Western Civ has always been individualistic. You should break up and fight us one at a time.”

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    It is collectivist. The Greeks were far more keen on individualism than the Romans.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Rome chose its symbol to be the fasces, a bundle of rods. The meaning is: “Rods by themselves are easily broken, but when bound together are strong.” Imagine an analogy to soldiers in formation. Various European states subsequently adopted this symbol, and you can see it behind the podium of the US House of Representatives.
     
    A bundle of rods with an axe stuck in it. As you say, it symbolized the strength of the collective over the individual. Also, the rods symbolized the authority of the state to administer corporal punishment, the axe its authority to administer capital punishment.

    “Oy vey, that’s collectivist Goy. Western Civ has always been individualistic. You should break up and fight us one at a time.”
     
    Yes, I am beginning to suspect that this is what is intended in the repeated appeals to our "higher angels". Live by your rules, so we can defeat you with ours.
    , @Seth Largo
    Fascism and faggot share the same root.
    , @ben tillman

    Rome chose its symbol to be the fasces, a bundle of rods. The meaning is: “Rods by themselves are easily broken, but when bound together are strong.” Imagine an analogy to soldiers in formation. Various European states subsequently adopted this symbol, and you can see it behind the podium of the US House of Representatives.
     
    And on the Mercury dime, minted from 1916-45, ha ha.
    , @Dave from Oz
    > Rome chose its symbol to be the fasces, a bundle of rods. The meaning is: “Rods by themselves are easily broken, but when bound together are strong.”

    You often see the fasces with an axe. An axe symbolises the right to apply the capital penalty. The symbolism is obvious.
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  13. To be fair, I’d be proud of that, too.

    Honestly, I don’t think Brooks, for all his bloviating, is all that bad. He is actually kind of thoughtful, at the very least.

    BTW, Andrew Sullivan recently wrote about the opioid issue in what might be his best piece in years. There was some understanding and compassion for Americans there, and today that’s a real sign of independent thought.

    Maybe in their advancing age some of these opinionators are actually feeling a bit of regret when it comes to what’s happened to their neglected children, the American people.

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    Except it wasn't pride, it was "special affection". i.e. irrespective of any differences in views or attributes, Brooks now thinks more fondly of Pinker. "Myself and my cousin against the world."
    , @Joe Walker
    Sullivan probably knows some gay guys who are hooked on opioids. If this was something that just affected heteros, he wouldn't care about it.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Maybe in their advancing age some of these opinionators are actually feeling a bit of regret when it comes to what’s happened to their neglected children, the American people.
     
    That assumes they have any affinity for the American people in the first place. Clearly, a lot of them view us as a hostile tribe.
    , @pepperinmono
    David Brooks is a fucking idiot.
    You are shitting me!
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  14. There’s no rational, scientific reason.

    Except the Darwinian, biological imperative to want your own genes to be strong, fit, healthy, and successful and known for those reasons, and having a famous, successful third cousin is proof to many people that your genes are strong, fit, healthy, and successful.

    It’s entirely rational, from a biological perspective. Brooks is just lying now.

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  15. @anon
    Rome chose its symbol to be the fasces, a bundle of rods. The meaning is: "Rods by themselves are easily broken, but when bound together are strong." Imagine an analogy to soldiers in formation. Various European states subsequently adopted this symbol, and you can see it behind the podium of the US House of Representatives.

    "The strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack."

    "Oy vey, that's collectivist Goy. Western Civ has always been individualistic. You should break up and fight us one at a time."

    It is collectivist. The Greeks were far more keen on individualism than the Romans.

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    It is collectivist. The Greeks were far more keen on individualism than the Romans.
     
    And who ended up ruling whom?
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  16. @Bill P
    To be fair, I'd be proud of that, too.

    Honestly, I don't think Brooks, for all his bloviating, is all that bad. He is actually kind of thoughtful, at the very least.

    BTW, Andrew Sullivan recently wrote about the opioid issue in what might be his best piece in years. There was some understanding and compassion for Americans there, and today that's a real sign of independent thought.

    Maybe in their advancing age some of these opinionators are actually feeling a bit of regret when it comes to what's happened to their neglected children, the American people.

    Except it wasn’t pride, it was “special affection”. i.e. irrespective of any differences in views or attributes, Brooks now thinks more fondly of Pinker. “Myself and my cousin against the world.”

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    “Myself and my cousin against the world.”
     
    Which is the annoying, non-stop mantra of elitist Jewish brethren.
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  17. I am half Jewish and have been asked by a full on Jew at a workplace that didn’t have many if I was “a member of the tribe.” So maybe this phraseology is effectively shunted out of mind by Jewish academics and media writers, but it’s pretty obvious to the rank and file.

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    What did you reply?
    , @TTSSYF
    I shared a room with a Jewish woman at an art workshop, and one of the first things she told me was that she was Jewish. One of the next things she told me was that she immediately recognized another woman at the workshop as being "part of our tribe."
    , @JackOH
    Ditto, here, 415, in the early 1980s by a Jewish guy who worked in a high-end staff department at Warner-Lambert. "Are you Jewish?" was the exact question. Road not taken? I don't know. More like road not available. I'm not and said so.

    In my early 60s now, I allow that I severely underestimated the importance of human relations of all sorts in modulating one's life path. (I know that sounds too high-minded.) Race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, all that.
    , @Anonym
    I am half Jewish and have been asked by a full on Jew at a workplace that didn’t have many if I was “a member of the tribe.”

    A "full on Jew"? I'm having visions of Meir Kahane.

    https://youtu.be/qDuWgmnDhLY
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  18. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @D. K.
    This is the first time that I heard that Linda Chavez, of whom I have been aware for a few decades, is Jewish!?!

    This is SUPER-EXCITING NEW SCIENCE!

    15 Jewish-American celebrities (Ruth Behar, … Linda Chavez, ) [took] a 23andMe DNA test …
    … most of the individuals we tested were directly related to one another.

    Apparently, converting to Judaism CHANGES A PERSON’S DNA. Curious minds will want to know more. For example:

    (1) What happens if one re-converts?
    (2) Do other religions have this effect?
    (3) Does Cult-Marxism affect DNA?
    (4) Does this mean red-diaper babies are genetically doomed?
    (5) Can animals convert to religions?

    We live in exciting times.

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    According to that video clip, embedded above, her DNA turned out to be over 20% Middle Eastern!
    , @Father O'Hara
    Quick Google shows Chavez had previously "discovered" her converso roots. I guess she is a neo-converso. (See what I did there?)
    RUTH Behar is a Cuban. Her folks hailed from Turkey. Now son,you knew that,right? You weren't thinking of the loudmouth Joyce Behar,were you? Course not.
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  19. @Daniel Chieh
    It is collectivist. The Greeks were far more keen on individualism than the Romans.

    It is collectivist. The Greeks were far more keen on individualism than the Romans.

    And who ended up ruling whom?

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    • Replies: @Lot
    Greeks ruled substantial parts of Italy about 700BC-250BC and again about 400AD-700AD. About 750 years total, and much longer than Italian rule over Greece. And in the final century of the Western Empire the Western Emperor was often a puppet of the Greek Eastern Emperor, so you could arguably add another century to the 750 years.
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  20. Is Jewish tribalism that moves Globalism.

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  21. By far the most red-pilling speech ever given at @CPAC.

    @Marion_M_Le_Pen discusses how the young French generation has been “brainwashed with guilt and shame of their country.”

    She also talks about the harm that massive immigration has done to France.

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  22. @anon
    Rome chose its symbol to be the fasces, a bundle of rods. The meaning is: "Rods by themselves are easily broken, but when bound together are strong." Imagine an analogy to soldiers in formation. Various European states subsequently adopted this symbol, and you can see it behind the podium of the US House of Representatives.

    "The strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack."

    "Oy vey, that's collectivist Goy. Western Civ has always been individualistic. You should break up and fight us one at a time."

    Rome chose its symbol to be the fasces, a bundle of rods. The meaning is: “Rods by themselves are easily broken, but when bound together are strong.” Imagine an analogy to soldiers in formation. Various European states subsequently adopted this symbol, and you can see it behind the podium of the US House of Representatives.

    A bundle of rods with an axe stuck in it. As you say, it symbolized the strength of the collective over the individual. Also, the rods symbolized the authority of the state to administer corporal punishment, the axe its authority to administer capital punishment.

    “Oy vey, that’s collectivist Goy. Western Civ has always been individualistic. You should break up and fight us one at a time.”

    Yes, I am beginning to suspect that this is what is intended in the repeated appeals to our “higher angels”. Live by your rules, so we can defeat you with ours.

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  23. Conservatism is not the worship of ashes but the preservation of fire.” -LePen #CPAC

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    What's conservative about women running for office and giving political speeches?

    At least she's kind of attractive unlike Aunt Marine.
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  24. @Anonymous
    This is SUPER-EXCITING NEW SCIENCE!

    15 Jewish-American celebrities (Ruth Behar, ... Linda Chavez, ) [took] a 23andMe DNA test ...
    ... most of the individuals we tested were directly related to one another.
     
    Apparently, converting to Judaism CHANGES A PERSON'S DNA. Curious minds will want to know more. For example:

    (1) What happens if one re-converts?
    (2) Do other religions have this effect?
    (3) Does Cult-Marxism affect DNA?
    (4) Does this mean red-diaper babies are genetically doomed?
    (5) Can animals convert to religions?

    We live in exciting times.

    According to that video clip, embedded above, her DNA turned out to be over 20% Middle Eastern!

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  25. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Mixed bag … some on the list are real achievers and some are just NYC media people.

    They got 15 Jewish-American celebrities (Ruth Behar, Joshua Bell, Mayim Bialik, David Brooks, Linda Chavez, Alan Derhowitz, Stephen Dubner, Nadine Epstein, Tovah Feldshuh, A.J. Jacobs, Steven Pinker, Robert Siegel, Thaddeus Tobe, Laurel Touby, and Esther Wojcicki

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I don't recognize all those names, and perhaps some of the "just NYC media people" work for relatively insignificant media organizations, but the media in general is extremely influential on public attitudes, and to imply otherwise reveals a dangerous level of ignorance about how the world works.
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  26. So, given all of this storm and thunder, what did Le Pen actually say at CPAC? Well, the beautiful blond barely spoke for ten minutes. In her speech, Le Pen lionized America’s ancient relationship with France, America, Britain, and France’s struggle against globalism, and the need for young conservatives to mobilize against the liberal consensus in North America and Europe. Where Le Pen may have gotten controversial was near the end of her speech, when she brought up how atomization, anti-family policies, and mass immigration have hollowed out the nation-state model. Even more daring (at least by CPAC standards) was Le Pen’s suggestion that nations have a right to preserve their traditions and their bloodlines.

    The fact that American conservatives could object to this because of “muh free markets” and “muh exceptionalism” is characteristic of why American conservatism needs to die.

    http://thermidormag.com/a-wail-and-gnashing-of-teeth/

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    I'd rather hear Le Pen speak, then just about any other typical CPAC speaker. As that guy said, Con Inc. needs to perish.
    , @Rod1963

    The fact that American conservatives could object to this because of “muh free markets” and “muh exceptionalism” is characteristic of why American conservatism needs to die.
     
    Indeed it American Conservatism should die and it's adherents run into a pen full of hungry swine and devoured, because it's not conservatism but bald ass neo-liberal economics and corporatism writ large. Any country that embraces such a insane operating principals that the GOP/American Conservatives promoted will self-destruct in short order as we are doing.

    American conservatism was and is a handmaiden to the corporate and progressive movements in this country. When it(and Buckley's people) surrendered on the culture wars they had nothing left but to play but the loyal opposition and keeping their followers in the dark as to what they really lost to the progs and corporations.
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  27. @syonredux

    Conscious reason can get you only so far when tribal emotions have been aroused, when existential fears rain down, when narcissistic impulses have been given free rein, when spiritual longings have nowhere healthy to go, when social trust has been devastated, when all the unconscious networks that make up 99 percent of our thinking are aflame and disordered. …
     
    I'm sure that your co-ethnics in Israel could explain "existential fears" to you, Dave....Or maybe you could just ask your IDF -veteran son....

    Don’t IDF soldiers basically spend their time beating up blondish Pallie girls,like the one who got all that attention. You join OUR Marines as an 0311 ,you’re going to have guys shooting right the fuck at you.
    Better he play it safe. And in his circles,IDF will get the clothes off faster than US Army.

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    Except when they have to fight off Hamas terrorists emerging from tunnels. There's a war in Gaza about every 2 to 4 years - they are overdue about now:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict

    Israel's population is 1/40th that of the US so 67 IDF killed is like 2,680 killed for the US, which is more than our losses in Afghanistan.

    There's a pretty high chance that Hamas will start another war soon - the Israelis are building a massive underground system that will render the Hamas tunnels (which Hamas spent a huge amount of money digging) worthless so it is use it or lose it time for Hamas. Not to mention that Iran is turning up the pressure at the northern border. An Israeli jet just got shot down over Syria (after the Iranians sent a drone into Israel) for the first time in decades. If I was looking for a safe gig, the IDF would not be it.
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  28. … Today, after the financial crisis, the shrinking of the middle class, the partisan warfare, a scarcity mind-set is dominant: Resources are limited.

    Aren’t they?

    The world is dangerous.

    Isn’t that what neo-cons are always telling us?

    Group conflict is inevitable.

    Does he think the chances of it are remote? If so, why is it then so common?

    It’s us versus them. If they win, we’re ruined, therefore, let’s stick with our tribe.

    The Brooks family certainly stuck with its tribe, didn’t it.

    The ends justify the means.

    Who does not think this? Who does not think that whatever means they employ are justified by their ends? This has got to be one of the stupidest commonly used cliches that there is. Everybody believes that their means are justified by their ends. They merely don’t believe that your means are justified by your ends.

    That was an incredibly trite and foolish sounding paragraph with which he introduced his essay. Yet I don’t think Brooks is a fool. He is a liar and a conman.

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    Are you saying you'll resort to any means for any ends? Or even any means for certain ends? Whether or not you have moral standards, some people actually do have them.
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  29. Meanwhile in the Florida shooting … the cop on the scene AT THE SCHOOL ran and hid. A cop getting donuts essentially ala Steve on the Late Obama Age Collapse. I’m sure the cop was thinking, likely a person of color as the shooter, better get donuts.

    He’s retired on full pension. But he is not being prosecuted for shooting a kid of color. The other cops responding milled about outside the school no doubt thinking the same thing.

    But hey, trust the government to protect you, turn in your guns to the Children’s Crusade!

    And the chatterati wonder why people are bitterly clinging to their guns and religion. Tribally.

    Brooks is toast and knows it. The White middle and working classes are destined for serfdom if lucky but he’ll be alongside them. Not much use for wealthy White Jews among the new overlords in MS 13 and ISIS and the New Black Panther Party. Who knew the Colors of Benetton were really a Rodney King Riot?

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    I was eating a bowl of pho at the only Vietnamese restaurant in town(they own half the gas stations too) and they had Fox News on THE DAY OF the shooting on the restaurant tv.

    Shep Smith was going on in his favorite lavender twang about how horrible it was etc

    Anyway I kept looking at the TV and they kept implying the psycho was a white dude....of course it came out later he was some Cubano nutter.... probably one of Castro's Muriel refuse that then had a mentally defective kid....

    Anyway what struck me about the school was how non white the school looked. Probably 80% of the ppl in the crowd or interviewees looked foreign but spoke English....

    Of course the white girls interviewed were the first ones to mention gun control and Trump by name while the minorities merely talked about the shooting and who the psycho Cuban was
    , @Mr. Anon

    I’m sure the cop was thinking, likely a person of color as the shooter, better get donuts.
     
    I rather tend to think he was thinking, per the cliche in every cop buddy-movie: I'm too old for this s**t; I don't want to get killed when I'm eligible to retire.

    Brooks is toast and knows it. The White middle and working classes are destined for serfdom if lucky but he’ll be alongside them. Not much use for wealthy White Jews among the new overlords in MS 13 and ISIS and the New Black Panther Party.
     
    That is just ludicrous nonsense. But I knew that would be on offer when I saw the byline: Whiskey
    , @Jack D
    Neither the cop nor the shooter was a Person of Color. School shooters tend to be white (occasionally Asian, rarely black). Black people prefer to do their shooting retail and not wholesale. Overall black carnage is far, far worse but it happens in 1's and 2's and not by the dozen so it doesn't get the same publicity.

    Despite his Hispanic name, Cruz was adopted and his genetic background is not clear, but he looks pretty Euro. He also looks strange - fetal alcohol syndrome?

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/78dc7cb6c80452579447b938fdeebeba76f676fc/c=37-0-1162-1500&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/2018/02/15/USATODAY/USATODAY/636542751600691091-nikolas-cruz-021518.jpg

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    As I have ignored the week-long (so far) infotainment*, I just had heard about this cowardly cop about 1 hour before reading your post, Whiskey, from a friend. This should be a lesson to those (few) anti-libertarians on unz who have too much respect for our cop "heroes". This is more typical cop behavior. "We all want to get home at night, hell with the kids!" Peak Stupidity's take on this.

    I've seen plenty of good cops, but not many would really be heroes, when it comes down to it.

    I do agree with Jack D's reply, however, in that I also don't think this was more fallout from Ferguson, MO, Baltimore, etc. It's just the way cops are going to be. This type of thing, the complete lack of respect for the Constitution on the part of most cops, and the story we're getting (that's Jason Kessler on VDare) of the continuing legal anarcho-tyranny seen in Charlottesville, Virginia, show that we are indeed on our own.

    .
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    * Hey, that's not trying to make light of 17 people killed and more injured. I just got the gist of it by the next day, and don't want to watch TV just to catch the multi-week long pissing-and-moaning "search for answers" about it.
    , @J.Ross
    I love these people trying this make an issue out of having an armed person in the classroom when plenty of ghetto schools have dedicated cops in the hallways and not hiding in the parking lot, with the result that the little criminals at least keep the worst stuff out of school. They got shoved on to the back foot hard on this one, hopefully that discourages them from retrying it.
    , @Almost Missouri
    https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/966854507744374784
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  31. @syonredux

    So, given all of this storm and thunder, what did Le Pen actually say at CPAC? Well, the beautiful blond barely spoke for ten minutes. In her speech, Le Pen lionized America’s ancient relationship with France, America, Britain, and France’s struggle against globalism, and the need for young conservatives to mobilize against the liberal consensus in North America and Europe. Where Le Pen may have gotten controversial was near the end of her speech, when she brought up how atomization, anti-family policies, and mass immigration have hollowed out the nation-state model. Even more daring (at least by CPAC standards) was Le Pen’s suggestion that nations have a right to preserve their traditions and their bloodlines.

    The fact that American conservatives could object to this because of “muh free markets” and "muh exceptionalism" is characteristic of why American conservatism needs to die.
     
    http://thermidormag.com/a-wail-and-gnashing-of-teeth/

    I’d rather hear Le Pen speak, then just about any other typical CPAC speaker. As that guy said, Con Inc. needs to perish.

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  32. @Anonym
    Except it wasn't pride, it was "special affection". i.e. irrespective of any differences in views or attributes, Brooks now thinks more fondly of Pinker. "Myself and my cousin against the world."

    “Myself and my cousin against the world.”

    Which is the annoying, non-stop mantra of elitist Jewish brethren.

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    Which is the annoying, non-stop mantra of elitist Jewish brethren.

    Tribal norms reminiscent of Arab culture are kind of what you'd expect given that Ashkenazi Jews are about a half and half mix of Southern European and Middle Eastern (i.e. Arab) DNA. They're basically Arabs who have their s*** together. ;) Mostly joking.

    As Steve often references, the Bedouin saying:


    I, against my brothers. I and my brothers against my cousins. I and my brothers and my cousins against the world.
     
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  33. Steve, you sure you’re not related to Brooks? It’s as if he’s going out of his way to write stuff helpful to your career.

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    It seems like it.
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  34. @Anon7
    When you're an MOT*, it's kind of disingenuous to accuse everyone one else of tribalism. Isn't it?

    Is Brooks a bit disappointed and maybe concerned that if everyone else starts thinking only about their own tribe, that they might have started on the road to wisdom that Jews trod so many generations ago?

    (* Member Of the Tribe, i.e., Jewish - yes it's a real acronym used by, uh, members of The Tribe. I mostly remember Jews referred to as The Tribe in the Sixties but I think it's still used.)

    No, he’s just worried that Whites will start thinking tribal, because the other groups already do.

    He knows full well if whites(at least the lower classes) get tribal it will spell doom for the white and Jewish management classes that run the U.S. This is why these groups have worked so hard to keep populism, white organizations and nationalism beaten down. As those are the first stages of white tribalism.

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  35. anon • Disclaimer says:

    “Learning of this kinship tie, I now feel special affection for him [Pinker]. Why? There’s no rational, scientific reason. I just do.” – Brooks

    Actually, there *is* a “rational, scientific reason.” It’s called “Evolutionary Psychology” and “Group Selection Theory.” It’s probably also why you’re “gooey-eyed” about Israel. David Sloan Wilson could explain it to you.

    Oh, and praise Marion Le Pen. Vive la France!

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  36. @Anonymous
    This is SUPER-EXCITING NEW SCIENCE!

    15 Jewish-American celebrities (Ruth Behar, ... Linda Chavez, ) [took] a 23andMe DNA test ...
    ... most of the individuals we tested were directly related to one another.
     
    Apparently, converting to Judaism CHANGES A PERSON'S DNA. Curious minds will want to know more. For example:

    (1) What happens if one re-converts?
    (2) Do other religions have this effect?
    (3) Does Cult-Marxism affect DNA?
    (4) Does this mean red-diaper babies are genetically doomed?
    (5) Can animals convert to religions?

    We live in exciting times.

    Quick Google shows Chavez had previously “discovered” her converso roots. I guess she is a neo-converso. (See what I did there?)
    RUTH Behar is a Cuban. Her folks hailed from Turkey. Now son,you knew that,right? You weren’t thinking of the loudmouth Joyce Behar,were you? Course not.

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  37. @415 reasons
    I am half Jewish and have been asked by a full on Jew at a workplace that didn’t have many if I was “a member of the tribe.” So maybe this phraseology is effectively shunted out of mind by Jewish academics and media writers, but it’s pretty obvious to the rank and file.

    What did you reply?

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  38. A few years ago the magazine Moment gave genetic tests to a bunch of writers with Jewish heritage. The tests reveal that Pinker and I are third cousins.

    Aren’t all Jews third cousins?

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    No, not nearly. But I know where this is coming from. My brother did 23 And Me, and it came up with like five third cousins, which is very very dubious given what we already know. I suspect 23 And Me just tosses in bogus relatives, for marketing reasons.
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  39. @Henry's Cat
    Steve, you sure you're not related to Brooks? It's as if he's going out of his way to write stuff helpful to your career.

    It seems like it.

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    Have you done 23 & Me or similar? People often turn up unknown relatives, sometimes close ones.
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  40. … the decline of social trust, the breakdown of family life, the polarization of national life, the spread of tribal mentalities, the rise of narcissism, the decline of social capital, the rising alienation from institutions or the decline of citizenship and neighborliness.

    Well, if Robert Putnam is to be believed, those are all symptoms of ‘multi-culturalism’.

    https://www.amazon.de/Bowling-Alone-Collapse-American-Community/dp/0743203046/ref=sr_1_1?s=books-intl-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1519371762&sr=1-1&keywords=bowling+alone

    Ya gotta love TPTB. They do everything in their power to foment tribalism … then they decry tribalism!

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  41. @syonredux

    Conscious reason can get you only so far when tribal emotions have been aroused, when existential fears rain down, when narcissistic impulses have been given free rein, when spiritual longings have nowhere healthy to go, when social trust has been devastated, when all the unconscious networks that make up 99 percent of our thinking are aflame and disordered. …
     
    I'm sure that your co-ethnics in Israel could explain "existential fears" to you, Dave....Or maybe you could just ask your IDF -veteran son....

    I’m sure his son is just rebelling against all the unchecked universalism he learned at the dinner table. It’s not like there’s an extensive collection of public writing which contradicts this assumption.

    Crimes of American tribalism in modern day:
    ‘Reducing immigration’

    Crimes of Israei tribalism in modern day:
    Viciousness and body count too great to fathom. I’m sure Brooks must write about the Purim hate raids or about farmers with nothing but some olive trees having them taken or the constant drip drip ethnic cleansing in Jerusalem and across the West Bank.

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  42. Mayim Bialik: your devout Jewish friend who loves loves loves Passover but hates Thanksgiving because it’s ‘a holiday which celebrates genocide.’

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  43. 23andme, despite being founded by and and heavily used by Ashkenazi and demi-Ashkenazi, does not have an accurate cousin-finder feature that works for them due to the bottleneck event/small founder population issue. Also does not work for the same reason for French Canadians. It works best for non-Ashkenazi white North Americans.

    Thus it is possible but unlikely they are really third cousins.

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    Agree. If someone is your third cousin, then your grandparents would be first cousins, which would be easy enough to figure out with five minutes of conversation.

    I interpret the third cousin comment to mean that you have enough shared genes from multiple ancestors that you are the equivalent of third cousins.
    , @Jack D
    Why would Jews be heavy users of 23 and Me, other than they are the kind of people with disposable income to spend on things like this? I can't think of a bigger waste because the results for all full blooded Ashkenazi Jews turn up the same - it's not like you are going to find out that you are 1/8 Cherokee or something and you never knew it.

    Most Jews are not third cousins with each other in the family tree sense where you could point to a single pair of common ancestors 4 generations ago but they have the same degree of genetic overlap as actual 3rd cousins because of a larger number common ancestors further back in the tree.

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  44. If Brooks and other globalists were seriously interested in curtailing or preventing tribalism, then they would not have supported, and would not continue to support, the mass importation of dissimilar peoples into the USA. They actually would be in favor of having as much a homogeneous nation as possible.

    And we probably never came any closer to that than with our pre-1965 demographics which basically consisted of a 10 percent legacy slave population and an overwhelming European majority that more or less had melded and frequently intermarried amongst itself.

    Everything since 1965 has done nothing but increase the potential for tribalism. Additionally because our post 1965 immigration policy favors both mass immigration and family unification, it assures us that whatever new groups we get, we get them in numbers, in extended families and clustered in the same settlements. That is a recipe for tribalism.

    Also we have been running an insane visa lottery whose entire premise is to invite in people from groups that supposedly haven’t yet immigrated to the USA in vast numbers. Thus it ensures an ever growing number of different ethnicities, aka tribes, into the USA.

    In fact our whole post 1965 immigration policy seems designed to nothing but create a multitude of factions, aka tribes. The fact Brooks and others continue to push for the same immigration policy is telling.

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    A lot of the major cities in the North were 95-97% white before 1950. The countryside in the North was close to 100%. This is what makes those anti white TV commercials that one sees now so remarkable.
    , @AnotherDad

    And we probably never came any closer to that than with our pre-1965 demographics which basically consisted of a 10 percent legacy slave population and an overwhelming European majority that more or less had melded and frequently intermarried amongst itself.

    Everything since 1965 has done nothing but increase the potential for tribalism.
     
    You're absolutely nailing it iSteveFan.

    I'd only add, that it's not just immigration, though that's the big irreversible disaster, but there's been a prolonged cultural attack on the American "white bread" gentile culture--values, mores, traditions, everything.

    1965--or '60, pick a date--was indeed a high point. There was an "American people" as you note. And there was nothing preventing American Jews from melding with that if they wanted to.

    But no. In a spasm of "not invented here" hostility--and just pure hate/contempt--it had to be belittled, broken up and torn down.

    Brooks whining about the wreckage is just beyond chutzpah, it's some level of fraudulent dishonest sociopathy. Or look how terrible what's happening ... more please!
    , @Antlitz Grollheim
    You're right comparing the beginning state and the end state. But the dynamic phase is very cohering for the clerisy.
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  45. @Anon
    A few years ago the magazine Moment gave genetic tests to a bunch of writers with Jewish heritage. The tests reveal that Pinker and I are third cousins.

    Aren't all Jews third cousins?

    No, not nearly. But I know where this is coming from. My brother did 23 And Me, and it came up with like five third cousins, which is very very dubious given what we already know. I suspect 23 And Me just tosses in bogus relatives, for marketing reasons.

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    See my above comment. The feature does not work for us inbreds. We should get a 5% discount. We are as related as third cousins without actually being so.

    Happy to report however no first or second cousin marriages as far as my personal records go, which is 1650-1850 depending on the line.

    , @PiltdownMan

    I suspect 23 And Me just tosses in bogus relatives, for marketing reasons.
     
    What's the standards for quality control in a privately run, largely unregulated lab operation like 23andMe that has neither requirements nor any natural incentives to subject itself to external audit or inspection?
    , @TTSSYF
    I retain a good bit of skepticism about how accurate it is and agree with the marketing angle. The ads usually emphasize how "surprised" the person was to find out he/she had some ancestry of which they were totally unaware; i.e., I'm sure 23&Me loves telling some fifth-generation white American from the Southeast that he/she has some percentage of African or AmeriIndian ancestry. I believe it is being used to further globalism and how we're really just "one big family" and that our genetic differences are trivial. Sort of like how we heard for several years that we share 99% of our genetic make-up with chimpanzees, although I haven't been hearing that lately.
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  46. @Mr. Anon

    It is collectivist. The Greeks were far more keen on individualism than the Romans.
     
    And who ended up ruling whom?

    Greeks ruled substantial parts of Italy about 700BC-250BC and again about 400AD-700AD. About 750 years total, and much longer than Italian rule over Greece. And in the final century of the Western Empire the Western Emperor was often a puppet of the Greek Eastern Emperor, so you could arguably add another century to the 750 years.

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    Greeks ruled substantial parts of Italy about 700BC-250BC......
     
    Parts of Italy that were not Roman.

    .........and again about 400AD-700AD.
     
    By which point even the Romans were not really roman anymore. Nor perhaps the Greeks, greek. In any event, getting back to Daniel Chieh's point above, one can't argue that the Byzantines were especially "individualist". Diocletian, who moved the seat of empire to the east, cast off even the pretense of republican forms and embraced the style of oriental despotism.
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  47. @International Jew
    No, not nearly. But I know where this is coming from. My brother did 23 And Me, and it came up with like five third cousins, which is very very dubious given what we already know. I suspect 23 And Me just tosses in bogus relatives, for marketing reasons.

    See my above comment. The feature does not work for us inbreds. We should get a 5% discount. We are as related as third cousins without actually being so.

    Happy to report however no first or second cousin marriages as far as my personal records go, which is 1650-1850 depending on the line.

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    Nothing wrong with first and second cousin marriages if the genotype is healthy. Some of my own relations even married their nieces - it was a question of keeping the money in the family. These were Dutch patricians, not Americans, and I'm talking about the late nineteenth century.
    The offspring were fine. I have no doubt that they would have been told to think again if they had expressed an interest in marrying their nieces too, but marriage with first cousins did go on in some cases for two and even three generations with, again, not only no bad side effects, but the emergence of an elite which was every bit as intellectually brilliant as it was financially secure. Proof? Two Nobel prize winners and a host of eminent men in every field, from medicine and physics to art and architecture to law and government.

    The Jews are worried about this sort of rival tribalism, not that of blacks or Mexicans.
    I wonder why?

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  48. @Bubba

    “Myself and my cousin against the world.”
     
    Which is the annoying, non-stop mantra of elitist Jewish brethren.

    Which is the annoying, non-stop mantra of elitist Jewish brethren.

    Tribal norms reminiscent of Arab culture are kind of what you’d expect given that Ashkenazi Jews are about a half and half mix of Southern European and Middle Eastern (i.e. Arab) DNA. They’re basically Arabs who have their s*** together. ;) Mostly joking.

    As Steve often references, the Bedouin saying:

    I, against my brothers. I and my brothers against my cousins. I and my brothers and my cousins against the world.

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    The estimated ancient ancestry of Ashkenazi has become more precise since the old initial 50/50 Levantine/Italian estimates. Here is a 2017 analysis using huge gene databases:

    One estimate method:

    --The inferred ancestry profile for AJ was 5% Western EU, 10% Eastern EU, 30% Levant, and 55% Southern EU. --

    Levantine here is not "Arabs" or even Levantine Arabs, but the ancient Leavtine population which is better represented by modern Druze, Samaritans, and Lebanese Christians, and more distantly Syrian and Egyptian Christians (Copts and Assyrians).

    Using a couple more methods, they have the European share as 63% and 67%.

    The general model they have is the Italian proto-Ashkenazi were about 30/70 South EU/Levantine, and the East and Western EU mixture came after the bottleneck of the migration to the Rhineland and from there East.

    , @Mr. Anon
    I thought it was an Afghan saying.
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  49. If only we could find the right excuse or guilt trip, we could turn off that preservation instinct and have you all in our control as our janissaries and golem is back in business. It worked so well in the Weimar Republic after all. Now I’m getting my carpetbags ready for your answer.

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  50. @syonredux

    Conservatism is not the worship of ashes but the preservation of fire." -LePen #CPAC
     
    https://twitter.com/vdare/status/966728766943846401

    What’s conservative about women running for office and giving political speeches?

    At least she’s kind of attractive unlike Aunt Marine.

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    What’s conservative about women running for office and giving political speeches?
     
    We live in an imperfect world. If women are going to run for office and give political speeches, my preference is for them to be like like Marion Maréchal-Le Pen
    , @Charles Pewitt
    Marine Le Pen is one of the most beautiful women in France:

    https://twitter.com/DefendEvropa/status/962416155016167426

    , @Lot
    If Steve won't ban you for your frequent and petty personal attacks on himself, insulting the appearance of Marine LePen I would hope is the line he cannot let anyone cross.

    The libtards say fight bad speech is more speech rather than censorship, so I will give that a try.

    AndrewR/Marine Le Pen

    Nobody/ International celebrity
    Nobody/ one of the saviors of the french race
    Likely incel/bore three lovely and functional children in first marriage, now in stable relationship with good-looking fellow nationalist

    Also what kind of homo-incel calls Marion Le Pen "kind of attractive?"

    http://welikeit.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/3895904.jpg
    , @donut
    "What’s conservative about women running for office and giving political speeches?"

    We might as well try it since we can't find a man to run .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA5HSVRJpZA
    , @dfordoom

    What’s conservative about women running for office and giving political speeches?
     
    Are there any actual conservative men in France? Are there any actual men in France?
    , @Anonymous
    Those bothered by this keep asking the wrong question over and over and over again in these threads. Better ask where and why all the amazing male candidates are hiding.
    , @dfordoom

    What’s conservative about women running for office and giving political speeches?
     
    You have to keep in mind that a male leader of a political party saying the things Le Pen says would probably get an even more hostile reception from the mainstream media and it would be easier to paint him as yet another reincarnation of Hitler. A nice reasonably attractive woman seems less threatening, especially to female voters. So having a female leader might be a useful strategy.

    There is of course the counter-example of Margaret Thatcher to demonstrate that being female isn't necessarily a protection from frenzied hate attacks. And the staggering levels of vitriol directed at Australian nationalist leader Pauline Hanson pretty much blows that theory out of the water.

    Nonetheless I suspect that nationalist parties think that a female leader will help to soften their image a little.
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  51. @Anonymous
    Mixed bag ... some on the list are real achievers and some are just NYC media people.



    They got 15 Jewish-American celebrities (Ruth Behar, Joshua Bell, Mayim Bialik, David Brooks, Linda Chavez, Alan Derhowitz, Stephen Dubner, Nadine Epstein, Tovah Feldshuh, A.J. Jacobs, Steven Pinker, Robert Siegel, Thaddeus Tobe, Laurel Touby, and Esther Wojcicki

    I don’t recognize all those names, and perhaps some of the “just NYC media people” work for relatively insignificant media organizations, but the media in general is extremely influential on public attitudes, and to imply otherwise reveals a dangerous level of ignorance about how the world works.

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    Stephen Dubner does Freakanomics and is on NPR (WNYC in NY). Robert Siegel hosts All Things Considered. Or hosted. He retired in January. Looks like he announced a while ago, so perhaps not one step ahead of a #metoo mob. But more deadwood cast aside on national public radio. Lots more diverse hosts on the way.
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  52. @Mr. Anon

    … Today, after the financial crisis, the shrinking of the middle class, the partisan warfare, a scarcity mind-set is dominant: Resources are limited.
     
    Aren't they?

    The world is dangerous.
     
    Isn't that what neo-cons are always telling us?

    Group conflict is inevitable.
     
    Does he think the chances of it are remote? If so, why is it then so common?

    It’s us versus them. If they win, we’re ruined, therefore, let’s stick with our tribe.
     
    The Brooks family certainly stuck with its tribe, didn't it.

    The ends justify the means.
     
    Who does not think this? Who does not think that whatever means they employ are justified by their ends? This has got to be one of the stupidest commonly used cliches that there is. Everybody believes that their means are justified by their ends. They merely don't believe that your means are justified by your ends.

    That was an incredibly trite and foolish sounding paragraph with which he introduced his essay. Yet I don't think Brooks is a fool. He is a liar and a conman.

    Are you saying you’ll resort to any means for any ends? Or even any means for certain ends? Whether or not you have moral standards, some people actually do have them.

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    Straw man argumenta via reductio ad absurdum. Clearly he said everyone uses certain particular means for certain particular ends.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Are you saying you’ll resort to any means for any ends? Or even any means for certain ends?
     
    No, you idiot. I was saying what I was saying. It's not my problem if you mischaracterize it or if you're too stupid to figure it out.
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  53. While leftist Jews are openly encouraging tribalism among non-white goyim, “conservative” Jews are discouraging tribalism in white goyim while said Jews’ sons serve in the Hebrew army.

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  54. @Anon7
    When you're an MOT*, it's kind of disingenuous to accuse everyone one else of tribalism. Isn't it?

    Is Brooks a bit disappointed and maybe concerned that if everyone else starts thinking only about their own tribe, that they might have started on the road to wisdom that Jews trod so many generations ago?

    (* Member Of the Tribe, i.e., Jewish - yes it's a real acronym used by, uh, members of The Tribe. I mostly remember Jews referred to as The Tribe in the Sixties but I think it's still used.)

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  55. @syonredux

    So, given all of this storm and thunder, what did Le Pen actually say at CPAC? Well, the beautiful blond barely spoke for ten minutes. In her speech, Le Pen lionized America’s ancient relationship with France, America, Britain, and France’s struggle against globalism, and the need for young conservatives to mobilize against the liberal consensus in North America and Europe. Where Le Pen may have gotten controversial was near the end of her speech, when she brought up how atomization, anti-family policies, and mass immigration have hollowed out the nation-state model. Even more daring (at least by CPAC standards) was Le Pen’s suggestion that nations have a right to preserve their traditions and their bloodlines.

    The fact that American conservatives could object to this because of “muh free markets” and "muh exceptionalism" is characteristic of why American conservatism needs to die.
     
    http://thermidormag.com/a-wail-and-gnashing-of-teeth/

    The fact that American conservatives could object to this because of “muh free markets” and “muh exceptionalism” is characteristic of why American conservatism needs to die.

    Indeed it American Conservatism should die and it’s adherents run into a pen full of hungry swine and devoured, because it’s not conservatism but bald ass neo-liberal economics and corporatism writ large. Any country that embraces such a insane operating principals that the GOP/American Conservatives promoted will self-destruct in short order as we are doing.

    American conservatism was and is a handmaiden to the corporate and progressive movements in this country. When it(and Buckley’s people) surrendered on the culture wars they had nothing left but to play but the loyal opposition and keeping their followers in the dark as to what they really lost to the progs and corporations.

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  56. It’s embarrassing enough that David Brooks is a “celebrity” but is Ruth Behar even in the Generic Fame Top 5 for Behars? I take it she & Chavez were penciled in by the NYC Consul-General guy, the better to represent the Hispanic juggernaut more diversely

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    I get my Behars confused.
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  57. I found the “who are your heroes?” question illuminating, because I realized most of the people who immediately came to mind for me are dead.

    A few living ones I came up with:

    George W. Bush: Though I have gradually evolved to the point where I think most of what Dubya did was a disaster, I retain a lingering affection for his unflappable, steadfast determination and serious, grownup demeanor. He might have been a lousy president, but he was a sterling example of a man. Would that such manly qualities had been invested in a leader more suited for the times…

    Bill Gates: Windows mostly sucks, and his foundation is a waste of money, but he’s the last businessman I can think of whose efforts in business left the world a better place than he found it. (Steve Jobs is a better example, but Jobs is dead.)

    Chuck Yeager and all the old astronauts like Buzz Aldrin: The level of courage those guys had is almost inconceivable today.

    John Derbyshire, Pat Buchanan and Charles Murray: I share many of the opinions of these guys but I’m too cowardly to affix my own name to them. All three of them have paid a price for it, and I believe all three will be mostly vindicated — though probably not within their own lifetimes.

    Tom Wolfe: He will probably be remembered in hindsight as the greatest writer of his age.

    Elon Musk: He’s kind of a putz but his childlike enthusiasm is admittedly endearing. We could use more rich assholes like him.

    Shigeru Miyamoto: My generation’s Walt Disney.

    I’m sure I’m forgetting a few, but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Those are just the famous ones, by the way. I have other heroes, but none of them are famous — mostly business or military guys I just happen to know.

    If you expand the criteria to people I merely “admire” for various reasons, the list would be a lot longer — but “hero” to me denotes something more than mere admiration. A hero is not just somebody who is greatly accomplished, but somebody worthy of emulation. There just aren’t a lot of living people I think can live up to that standard.

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    Bill Gates: Windows mostly sucks, and his foundation is a waste of money, but he’s the last businessman I can think of whose efforts in business left the world a better place than he found it. (Steve Jobs is a better example, but Jobs is dead.)
     
    Paul Allen is far more admirable than either.

    Agree on Derb, Murray, and even Buchanan, but add Sailer, Unz, Gottfredson, Jordan Peterson, James Watson (except for his cowardly apology), Rushton, Herrnstein, Giraldi, and many others. All have paid a steep price for their truthfulness. The list could be much longer, but these names stand out in a quick moment of reflection. Shockley for example just came to me.

    As a cynic, I’d ask if one can be a hero and not a martyr?
    , @syonredux

    I found the “who are your heroes?” question illuminating, because I realized most of the people who immediately came to mind for me are dead.
     
    Same here. For example, my biggest boyhood hero was Captain James Cook.
    , @PhysicistDave
    Mr. Blank wrote:

    I found the “who are your heroes?” question illuminating, because I realized most of the people who immediately came to mind for me are dead.
     
    My childhood heroes (circa age thirteen) were Galileo (obvious for a future physicist), "Free-Born John" Lilburne (who opposed both Charles I and Cromwell in defense of the liberties of the English people), and Richard Cobden and John Bright (who inaugurated the all-too-brief period of economic freedom in Great Britain).

    Among the living, although I was not into sports, I did look up to Roger Bannister, who broke the four-minute mile. I still think that was pretty cool.

    Yes, I realize that my list of childhood heroes was.... unusual.
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  58. @Anonym
    Which is the annoying, non-stop mantra of elitist Jewish brethren.

    Tribal norms reminiscent of Arab culture are kind of what you'd expect given that Ashkenazi Jews are about a half and half mix of Southern European and Middle Eastern (i.e. Arab) DNA. They're basically Arabs who have their s*** together. ;) Mostly joking.

    As Steve often references, the Bedouin saying:


    I, against my brothers. I and my brothers against my cousins. I and my brothers and my cousins against the world.
     

    The estimated ancient ancestry of Ashkenazi has become more precise since the old initial 50/50 Levantine/Italian estimates. Here is a 2017 analysis using huge gene databases:

    One estimate method:

    –The inferred ancestry profile for AJ was 5% Western EU, 10% Eastern EU, 30% Levant, and 55% Southern EU. –

    Levantine here is not “Arabs” or even Levantine Arabs, but the ancient Leavtine population which is better represented by modern Druze, Samaritans, and Lebanese Christians, and more distantly Syrian and Egyptian Christians (Copts and Assyrians).

    Using a couple more methods, they have the European share as 63% and 67%.

    The general model they have is the Italian proto-Ashkenazi were about 30/70 South EU/Levantine, and the East and Western EU mixture came after the bottleneck of the migration to the Rhineland and from there East.

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    No question your response is more accurate, I was shooting for the funny and, a little insightful maybe. The people around that part of the earth are known for their clannishness. And supposedly the Palestinians are part of that Levantine group, right?

    I would have thought just by looking at a lot of Jews, they are closer to European than Arab or Levantine. Some Druze:

    998624_568947629833286_460357604_n.jpg

    More:

    http://www.aymennjawad.org/14038/the-druze-militias-of-southern-syria

    Looking at pictures of famous Jews, they seem more European if Southern European to me. Though some seem to be more generally European than others, like Zuck for example.

    That 65-70% stat is a good one to promote.
    , @Jack D

    The general model they have is the Italian proto-Ashkenazi were about 30/70 South EU/Levantine, and the East and Western EU mixture came after the bottleneck of the migration to the Rhineland and from there East.
     
    I assume that is 70/30 and not the reverse but I still don't understand how you make the math come out either way after dilution?

    Anyway the alien Jewish ("Semitic") race is really 2/3 European so they are maybe not so alien after all. Maybe we are even "Old Stock"?

    , @Redman
    I was informed that Ashkenazi Judaism began in the Rhineland region. And from there spread to the east and north. Is that not true?
    , @AnotherDad

    The general model they have is the Italian proto-Ashkenazi were about 30/70 South EU/Levantine, and the East and Western EU mixture came after the bottleneck of the migration to the Rhineland and from there East.
     
    Lot, i think you better start at about 65/35 (Southern Europe/Levant) if you want to get to those final numbers based on later inflows.
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  59. @Lot
    See my above comment. The feature does not work for us inbreds. We should get a 5% discount. We are as related as third cousins without actually being so.

    Happy to report however no first or second cousin marriages as far as my personal records go, which is 1650-1850 depending on the line.

    Nothing wrong with first and second cousin marriages if the genotype is healthy. Some of my own relations even married their nieces – it was a question of keeping the money in the family. These were Dutch patricians, not Americans, and I’m talking about the late nineteenth century.
    The offspring were fine. I have no doubt that they would have been told to think again if they had expressed an interest in marrying their nieces too, but marriage with first cousins did go on in some cases for two and even three generations with, again, not only no bad side effects, but the emergence of an elite which was every bit as intellectually brilliant as it was financially secure. Proof? Two Nobel prize winners and a host of eminent men in every field, from medicine and physics to art and architecture to law and government.

    The Jews are worried about this sort of rival tribalism, not that of blacks or Mexicans.
    I wonder why?

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    These were Dutch patricians, not Americans, and I’m talking about the late nineteenth century.
     
    It would be vastly more dysgenic now; children with high mutational load then would often simply die. Decreased mortality means that more children with issues will survive to reproductive age.
    , @Crawfurdmuir

    Nothing wrong with first and second cousin marriages if the genotype is healthy. Some of my own relations even married their nieces – it was a question of keeping the money in the family.
     
    Breeders of purebred livestock pay considerable attention to their animals' pedigrees. The mating of cousin with cousin or of uncle with niece, called "line-breeding," is often deliberately used to propagate desirable traits. There's no reason it shouldn't work as well with humans as it does with horses or dogs, provided, as you say, that the genotype is healthy.
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  60. Stephen who?

    re Susan Wojcicki, spot the joke in this clip:

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    This is like a meta joke? It's saying "We all know that women aren't funny and that you have to pretend they are, but, with me, at least you can look at my tits."

    I admit boredom kept me from getting through the whole, interminable ten minutes of it. Is it easier if you're drunk?
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  61. @International Jew
    No, not nearly. But I know where this is coming from. My brother did 23 And Me, and it came up with like five third cousins, which is very very dubious given what we already know. I suspect 23 And Me just tosses in bogus relatives, for marketing reasons.

    I suspect 23 And Me just tosses in bogus relatives, for marketing reasons.

    What’s the standards for quality control in a privately run, largely unregulated lab operation like 23andMe that has neither requirements nor any natural incentives to subject itself to external audit or inspection?

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  62. @Anonymous
    It's embarrassing enough that David Brooks is a "celebrity" but is Ruth Behar even in the Generic Fame Top 5 for Behars? I take it she & Chavez were penciled in by the NYC Consul-General guy, the better to represent the Hispanic juggernaut more diversely

    I get my Behars confused.

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  63. @Anon7
    When you're an MOT*, it's kind of disingenuous to accuse everyone one else of tribalism. Isn't it?

    Is Brooks a bit disappointed and maybe concerned that if everyone else starts thinking only about their own tribe, that they might have started on the road to wisdom that Jews trod so many generations ago?

    (* Member Of the Tribe, i.e., Jewish - yes it's a real acronym used by, uh, members of The Tribe. I mostly remember Jews referred to as The Tribe in the Sixties but I think it's still used.)

    With Jews it is always a case of “do as we say, not as we do.”

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    With goyim it is always a case of "we'll do what you say, not what you do."
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  64. In this somewhat different tribe, some things seem to run in the family too:

    Sadiq Aadam Mohamed was hacked to death on Tuesday night. His brother Mohamed, was stabbed to death in September 2017, and their cousin Mohamed Abdullahi was stabbed to death in 2013.

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    Reminds me of the joke:

    Two Arabs are sitting in a Gaza Strip bar chatting. One pulls hiswallet out and starts flipping through pictures.

    "This is my oldest son, he is a martyr."

    "You must be so proud," says the other.

    "This is my second son. He is a martyr also."

    "A fine young man," replies his friend.

    "Here is my third son. He too is a martyr."

    The second Arab sighs and says, "They blow up so fast, don't they?"
     
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  65. @Bill P
    To be fair, I'd be proud of that, too.

    Honestly, I don't think Brooks, for all his bloviating, is all that bad. He is actually kind of thoughtful, at the very least.

    BTW, Andrew Sullivan recently wrote about the opioid issue in what might be his best piece in years. There was some understanding and compassion for Americans there, and today that's a real sign of independent thought.

    Maybe in their advancing age some of these opinionators are actually feeling a bit of regret when it comes to what's happened to their neglected children, the American people.

    Sullivan probably knows some gay guys who are hooked on opioids. If this was something that just affected heteros, he wouldn’t care about it.

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  66. OT, but it appears Ann Althouse is channeling some iSteve vibes in this piece on a black history month kerfuffle at NYU:

    ADDED: This post caused me to make a new tag, “watermelon,” and to apply to posts in the archive. In this process of retroactive tagging, I found 2 fascinating things.

    First, the time Dan Rather said, about our first black President, Barack Obama, “if a state trooper is flagging down the traffic on a highway, Obama couldn’t sell watermelons.”

    Second, the story of how Sayyid Qutb — who inspired al Qaeda — grew to hate Americans. So I dug up the text of “The America I Have Seen: In the Scale of Human Values” Sayyid Qutb ash-Shaheed (1951). The relevant excerpt:

    As for their food, that too is very strange. You will attract attention, and cause disbelief, if you request another cube of sugar for the cup of coffee or tea that you drink in America. Sugar is reserved for pickles and salads, while salt, my good sir, is saved for apples and watermelons.

    On your plate you will find combined a piece of salted meat, some boiled corn, some boiled peas, and some sweet jam. And on top of all this is what Americans call gravy, which is composed sometimes of fat, vinegar, flour, broth, apples, salt and pepper, and sugar, and water.

    We were at the table in one of the cafeterias of the University, when I saw some Americans putting salt on their watermelon. And I was prepared to see these strange fads and also to play jokes on them from time to time. And I said, faking innocence, “I see you sprinkling salt on the watermelon.” One of them said,” Yes! Don’t you do the same in Egypt?” I said, “No! We sprinkle pepper!” A surprised and curious giri said,” How would that taste?” I said, “You can try for yourself!” She tasted it and said approvingly,” It’s tasty!” and so did all the others.

    On another day in which watermelon was served, and most of the same people were at the table, I said “Some of us in Egypt use sugar at times instead of pepper.” One of them tried it and said, “How tasty!” and so did all the others.

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/02/did-nyu-serve-racist-dinner-to.html

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    Arabs really enjoy lying, over matters great and small. They get great pleasure out of tricking other people- that's the essential basis for the Arab sense of humor. Lie detectors don't even work on Arabs because lying doesn't stress them at all.

    BTW, Qutb was ahead of his time - black pepper on fruit is trendy:

    https://www.epicurious.com/expert-advice/why-you-should-add-black-pepper-to-summer-fruit-article

    Mexican also put pepper on fruit but they use chili pepper (and lime and salt). Qutb's head would have exploded.

    I wonder what the "sweet jam" on Qutb's cafeteria plate was? Cranberry sauce? And where did he get his gravy recipe? Maybe Qutb wasn't the only one pranking other people. 1949 was not a culinary high point in American history and college cafeterias are not notable for their fine cuisine but that gravy sounds pretty strange.
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  67. @AndrewR
    Are you saying you'll resort to any means for any ends? Or even any means for certain ends? Whether or not you have moral standards, some people actually do have them.

    Straw man argumenta via reductio ad absurdum. Clearly he said everyone uses certain particular means for certain particular ends.

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  68. @Old Palo Altan
    Nothing wrong with first and second cousin marriages if the genotype is healthy. Some of my own relations even married their nieces - it was a question of keeping the money in the family. These were Dutch patricians, not Americans, and I'm talking about the late nineteenth century.
    The offspring were fine. I have no doubt that they would have been told to think again if they had expressed an interest in marrying their nieces too, but marriage with first cousins did go on in some cases for two and even three generations with, again, not only no bad side effects, but the emergence of an elite which was every bit as intellectually brilliant as it was financially secure. Proof? Two Nobel prize winners and a host of eminent men in every field, from medicine and physics to art and architecture to law and government.

    The Jews are worried about this sort of rival tribalism, not that of blacks or Mexicans.
    I wonder why?

    These were Dutch patricians, not Americans, and I’m talking about the late nineteenth century.

    It would be vastly more dysgenic now; children with high mutational load then would often simply die. Decreased mortality means that more children with issues will survive to reproductive age.

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    You have to offset against that the fact that a lot of people nowadays don't reproduce at all.

    The folk wisdom POV is that cousin marriage produces deformed monsters that are mentally deficient but the real world evidence is that the results are only slightly worse in term of defects than marriage between unrelated parties. If the rate of defects is 2/1000 in the 1st group and 1/1000 in the latter it's twice as bad (these are not real numbers) but still 998/1000 cousin offspring are fine (or at least no worse than anyone else).
    , @Crawfurdmuir

    It would be vastly more dysgenic now; children with high mutational load then would often simply die. Decreased mortality means that more children with issues will survive to reproductive age.
     
    Not necessarily related to inbreeding, but your remark raises a question about which I've often wondered - does modern medicine's ability to preserve the lives of people with genetic maladies have a dysgenic effect?

    For example, before the development of insulin therapy, Type I diabetes almost always led to the sufferer's death before reaching marriageable age. Now diabetics routinely survive to adulthood, and many marry and raise children. Is there a measurable increase in the incidence of diabetes as a result?
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  69. @Lot
    The estimated ancient ancestry of Ashkenazi has become more precise since the old initial 50/50 Levantine/Italian estimates. Here is a 2017 analysis using huge gene databases:

    One estimate method:

    --The inferred ancestry profile for AJ was 5% Western EU, 10% Eastern EU, 30% Levant, and 55% Southern EU. --

    Levantine here is not "Arabs" or even Levantine Arabs, but the ancient Leavtine population which is better represented by modern Druze, Samaritans, and Lebanese Christians, and more distantly Syrian and Egyptian Christians (Copts and Assyrians).

    Using a couple more methods, they have the European share as 63% and 67%.

    The general model they have is the Italian proto-Ashkenazi were about 30/70 South EU/Levantine, and the East and Western EU mixture came after the bottleneck of the migration to the Rhineland and from there East.

    No question your response is more accurate, I was shooting for the funny and, a little insightful maybe. The people around that part of the earth are known for their clannishness. And supposedly the Palestinians are part of that Levantine group, right?

    I would have thought just by looking at a lot of Jews, they are closer to European than Arab or Levantine. Some Druze:

    998624_568947629833286_460357604_n.jpg

    More:

    http://www.aymennjawad.org/14038/the-druze-militias-of-southern-syria

    Looking at pictures of famous Jews, they seem more European if Southern European to me. Though some seem to be more generally European than others, like Zuck for example.

    That 65-70% stat is a good one to promote.

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    "And supposedly the Palestinians are part of that Levantine group, right?"

    Not really. War and Ottoman mismanagement depopulated the area between about 1100-1700, and most of the Muslim population that has blended into the new Palestinian ethnicity came to the area 1800-1900 from areas as far as Crimea, but especially Egypt.
    , @Chrisnonymous

    And supposedly the Palestinians are part of that Levantine group, right?
     
    Please engage with this Twitter account...

    https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/966634639124201472
    , @Lot
    I felt the same way about how the way North Euro Jews actually look v the Levantine/Italian estimate not matching up. The new estimates definitely feel more in accordance with actual appearance of Ashkenazi.

    A fun question is how much did the 1200 years Ashkenazi have been in Northern Europe lead to cold weather adaptations and blondism v intermarriage with the older population. New data on the proto Germans and Celts indicate that blond hair and cold weather adaptations spread extremely quickly after the arrival north, and the 1200 years would be plenty of time for the Jews to became cold hardy and blonder than their southern cousins even with very little old north euro intermarriage.
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  70. They are not “The Tribe”. They are “The Family”.

    An intellectual and political Mafia, preaching the water of universalism while they drink the wine of ethnocentrism.

    By the way wouldn´t this be evidence that being closely related strongly enhances group solidarity?

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    No. Clannishness in the absence of outsiders results in members turning against each other (see the Old Testament for details).
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  71. @Anonym
    No question your response is more accurate, I was shooting for the funny and, a little insightful maybe. The people around that part of the earth are known for their clannishness. And supposedly the Palestinians are part of that Levantine group, right?

    I would have thought just by looking at a lot of Jews, they are closer to European than Arab or Levantine. Some Druze:

    998624_568947629833286_460357604_n.jpg

    More:

    http://www.aymennjawad.org/14038/the-druze-militias-of-southern-syria

    Looking at pictures of famous Jews, they seem more European if Southern European to me. Though some seem to be more generally European than others, like Zuck for example.

    That 65-70% stat is a good one to promote.

    “And supposedly the Palestinians are part of that Levantine group, right?”

    Not really. War and Ottoman mismanagement depopulated the area between about 1100-1700, and most of the Muslim population that has blended into the new Palestinian ethnicity came to the area 1800-1900 from areas as far as Crimea, but especially Egypt.

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  72. @415 reasons
    I am half Jewish and have been asked by a full on Jew at a workplace that didn’t have many if I was “a member of the tribe.” So maybe this phraseology is effectively shunted out of mind by Jewish academics and media writers, but it’s pretty obvious to the rank and file.

    I shared a room with a Jewish woman at an art workshop, and one of the first things she told me was that she was Jewish. One of the next things she told me was that she immediately recognized another woman at the workshop as being “part of our tribe.”

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  73. @International Jew
    No, not nearly. But I know where this is coming from. My brother did 23 And Me, and it came up with like five third cousins, which is very very dubious given what we already know. I suspect 23 And Me just tosses in bogus relatives, for marketing reasons.

    I retain a good bit of skepticism about how accurate it is and agree with the marketing angle. The ads usually emphasize how “surprised” the person was to find out he/she had some ancestry of which they were totally unaware; i.e., I’m sure 23&Me loves telling some fifth-generation white American from the Southeast that he/she has some percentage of African or AmeriIndian ancestry. I believe it is being used to further globalism and how we’re really just “one big family” and that our genetic differences are trivial. Sort of like how we heard for several years that we share 99% of our genetic make-up with chimpanzees, although I haven’t been hearing that lately.

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    https://www.amren.com/news/2017/12/inside-shady-world-dna-testing-companies/
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  74. @415 reasons
    I am half Jewish and have been asked by a full on Jew at a workplace that didn’t have many if I was “a member of the tribe.” So maybe this phraseology is effectively shunted out of mind by Jewish academics and media writers, but it’s pretty obvious to the rank and file.

    Ditto, here, 415, in the early 1980s by a Jewish guy who worked in a high-end staff department at Warner-Lambert. “Are you Jewish?” was the exact question. Road not taken? I don’t know. More like road not available. I’m not and said so.

    In my early 60s now, I allow that I severely underestimated the importance of human relations of all sorts in modulating one’s life path. (I know that sounds too high-minded.) Race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, all that.

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  75. @AndrewR
    I don't recognize all those names, and perhaps some of the "just NYC media people" work for relatively insignificant media organizations, but the media in general is extremely influential on public attitudes, and to imply otherwise reveals a dangerous level of ignorance about how the world works.

    Stephen Dubner does Freakanomics and is on NPR (WNYC in NY). Robert Siegel hosts All Things Considered. Or hosted. He retired in January. Looks like he announced a while ago, so perhaps not one step ahead of a #metoo mob. But more deadwood cast aside on national public radio. Lots more diverse hosts on the way.

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    I remember an All Things Considered bit years ago (probably around 2006) where they did DNA tests and it turned out that Brooks and Siegel were distant cousins. Brooks then made a cheesy quip that included the line 'All Shtetl Considered'.

    Same shit, different decade.
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  76. The End of the Two-Party System — By David Brooks has 1422 comments which is high for the NY Times. So Brooks is telling his NYTimes readers what they want to hear. Let’s say the NY Times pays Brooks $150,000 per year. His columns function as advertising for his speeches on the lecture circuit where he should be making $300,000 per year. We can mock David Brooks but he is laughing all the way to the liberal-left bank. So much so that he was able to hook in a new younger wife who was his research assistant. (that sly old fox!)

    For this kind of annual income I would write stuff I only half believed in if necessary. I would make sure my columns were click bait worthy. Brooks’ competition at the NY Times is Nicholas Kristof. I’ll bet they check out each others number of comments.

    Lastly, the NY Times is making money these days. Its largest income is from paid subscriptions to its website. Though far as I know you can always open up a NY Times article in a new “private window” with Firefox and Chrome (an incognito window) if you have gone past the NY Times 10 free reads per month. Perhaps their business section prevents this?

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    The NYT has no paywall here in the UK, get a VPN and you can read for free.
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  77. @Lot
    23andme, despite being founded by and and heavily used by Ashkenazi and demi-Ashkenazi, does not have an accurate cousin-finder feature that works for them due to the bottleneck event/small founder population issue. Also does not work for the same reason for French Canadians. It works best for non-Ashkenazi white North Americans.

    Thus it is possible but unlikely they are really third cousins.

    Agree. If someone is your third cousin, then your grandparents would be first cousins, which would be easy enough to figure out with five minutes of conversation.

    I interpret the third cousin comment to mean that you have enough shared genes from multiple ancestors that you are the equivalent of third cousins.

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  78. @Whiskey
    Meanwhile in the Florida shooting ... the cop on the scene AT THE SCHOOL ran and hid. A cop getting donuts essentially ala Steve on the Late Obama Age Collapse. I'm sure the cop was thinking, likely a person of color as the shooter, better get donuts.

    He's retired on full pension. But he is not being prosecuted for shooting a kid of color. The other cops responding milled about outside the school no doubt thinking the same thing.

    But hey, trust the government to protect you, turn in your guns to the Children's Crusade!

    And the chatterati wonder why people are bitterly clinging to their guns and religion. Tribally.

    Brooks is toast and knows it. The White middle and working classes are destined for serfdom if lucky but he'll be alongside them. Not much use for wealthy White Jews among the new overlords in MS 13 and ISIS and the New Black Panther Party. Who knew the Colors of Benetton were really a Rodney King Riot?

    I was eating a bowl of pho at the only Vietnamese restaurant in town(they own half the gas stations too) and they had Fox News on THE DAY OF the shooting on the restaurant tv.

    Shep Smith was going on in his favorite lavender twang about how horrible it was etc

    Anyway I kept looking at the TV and they kept implying the psycho was a white dude….of course it came out later he was some Cubano nutter…. probably one of Castro’s Muriel refuse that then had a mentally defective kid….

    Anyway what struck me about the school was how non white the school looked. Probably 80% of the ppl in the crowd or interviewees looked foreign but spoke English….

    Of course the white girls interviewed were the first ones to mention gun control and Trump by name while the minorities merely talked about the shooting and who the psycho Cuban was

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  79. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I am a legacy American with a well-documented genealogy back to colonial times. I took the 23andMe test back in 2015 along with my elderly parents. I also uploaded to Gedmatch so I could compare results across testing companies. I have over 1600 cousin matches on 23andMe and have traced the ancestry of over 300 of those matches back to a known common ancestor. It’s been an interesting experience confirming the paper documentation with DNA results and also banging on several genealogical brick walls.

    It’s a worthwhile exercise for legacy Americans interested in history and genealogy.

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  80. Pinker’s rationalism is not the total cure. But I have to confess, I really like him. A few years ago the magazine Moment gave genetic tests to a bunch of writers with Jewish heritage. The tests reveal that Pinker and I are third cousins. Learning of this kinship tie, I now feel special affection for him. Why? There’s no rational, scientific reason. I just do.

    I’d like to see Harvey Weinstein’s DNA thrown into that tribal mix and see Brooks’ special affection bubble up…

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  81. Tovah Feldshuh Her pops was a criminal….

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  82. Tribal Thinking is bad but for We
    (2% of the people agree.)
    We’re connected and rich;
    But Tay-Sachs is a bitch:
    Interbreed o’er the mark and you’ll see.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ashkenazi-jewish-genetic-diseases

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  83. I have to ask: If you are a conservative, what are you trying to conserve?

    The push to restrict immigration suggests we are trying to conserve jobs for only Americans – that is the zero-sum part – and conserve America as a white nation. That isn’t conserving much of anything.

    But we are not trying to conserve religious freedom – we are fighting a war over whose religious ideals should be fostered by the government.

    We aren’t trying to conserve the great ideas that advanced us – from labor protections and anti-monopoly actions of the early 1900s to safety nets like Social Security.

    We aren’t trying to conserve the middle class – our tax cuts move wealth up the ladder.

    We aren’t trying to conserve our infrastructure – that is just advanced as a way to use foreign money to skin Americans; or our natural resources – we are busily trying to assure that we can dig anything from anywhere no matter how much the social and environmental cost may run.

    Is it our democratic ideals? The ones we sold when we decided to stop a sitting President from filling a Supreme Court seat, or the ones we undermine when we choose to make voting harder. or the ones we let go to waste as we continue to elect people who cannot compromise, and cannot represent the nation as a whole?

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    A cut and paste job by TD, who won't understand the arguments pro and con.

    I suppose he could get a few props for finding something that is a little bit interesting, though not all that apropos to the thread.

    The short answer to all this is that things come to an end, and one should angle to be on top when the machinery grinds to a stop.

    When immigration ends, it helps immensely if your group has the numbers.

    When democracy ends, it helps immensely if your group is in control.

    Etc.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    TD, voting, actually, couldn't be any easier.
    , @Hibernian
    "decided to stop a sitting President from filling a Supreme Court seat"

    A feature, not a bug, courtesy of our Founding Fathers.

    , @PhysicistDave
    Tiny Duck wrote:

    But we are not trying to conserve religious freedom – we are fighting a war over whose religious ideals should be fostered by the government.
     
    Ummm... TD, I'm a very outspoken atheist; every now and then I go on a tear about the idiots who put "under God" in the Pledge back in 1954.

    But, truth be told, there is less attempt to impose religious views on us non-believers today than there was back in the 20th century. If anything, the pendulum has swung in the opposite direction -- e.g., forcing evangelical Christian bakers to make cakes for gay weddings. Personally, I'd bake the cake and take the money, but then I have no religious objection to gay marriage.

    TD also wrote:


    Is it our democratic ideals?
     
    Have you ever looked at the notes from the Constitutional Convention? The delegates were more concerned about preventing democracy than promoting it. I'm afraid that "our democratic ideals" is just a weird piece of mythology. This country was not established as a democracy, and anyone loyal to the United States must necessarily be opposed to democracy.

    And, always remember, Tiny Duck: we all love you!

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  84. David Brooks is getting ready for open tribal warfare in the United States. David Brooks knows that President Trump got the votes of Americans of German ancestry in the Great Lakes States and the Anglo-Celts in the Southern States and that is how he won the election.

    David Brooks should read about the different kinds of Germans in the United States. Two of my favorites are the mid-Atlantic Germans who got here hundreds of years ago and the 1848 wacko Germans who like to bang pots in Wisconsin when the governor threatens to prune their government worker benefits a bit.

    David Brooks could also read about the Angles, the Saxons, the Normans(Scandinavians, Belgians, French….etc.), Low Land Border Scots and the Ancient Celts of Britain. David Brooks’s tribe has been making demographic war and civilizational war upon these other tribes for a long time.

    Tweets from 2015:

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  85. @Anon
    Invaders complaining about Super-Invaders.

    https://www.amren.com/news/2018/02/italian-town-taken-nigerian-migrant-gangs/

    From the linked article:

    Even African residents of the town have started to complain about the mass migration of illegals into the town. A resident named Martin commented: “We live in an abandoned place, we cannot accept all these people because we do not have the strength or the means to educate them. We are not in Africa, but in a civilized country, and these people need to be educated.”

    That observation is not going to win him any friends on the New York Times’ editorial board.

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  86. For the most part, we found zero degrees of separation.

    This means that most of the individuals we tested were directly related to one another.

    This finding far exceeds the three degrees of separation found among most Americans.

    This dumb because of course a group of people who stem from the same part of the world is going to be more closely related than randomly selected Americans who are from all over the planet. What is the degree of separation if you selected 15 Icelandic-American celebrities (if we have that many)? This is like comparing walnuts and grapefruits and finding that the average grapefruit weighs more – it’s a completely trivial finding. You could have skipped the DNA tests and reached the same conclusion.

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    This dumb because of course a group of people who stem from the same part of the world is going to be more closely related than randomly selected Americans who are from all over the planet.
     
    Behar was born in Havana, Cuba in 1956 to a Jewish-Cuban family of Sephardic Turkish, and Ashkenazi Polish and Russian ancestry.

    Ruth Behar

    His father is of Scottish descent, and his mother is Jewish (his maternal grandfather was born in Israel and his maternal grandmother was from Minsk, Belarus).

    Joshua Bell

    Three of her four grandparents emigrated from Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary.

    Mayim Bialik

    Her father was descended from immigrants to New Spain from Spain in the 1500s - Her mother was of English and Irish ancestry.

    Linda Chavez

    His grandparents emigrated to Canada from Poland and Romania in 1926.

    Steven Pinker

    His maternal grandfather claimed to descend from rabbinical scholar Mordechai Yoffe.

    Yoffe was born in Prague, Czech Republic; he could count amongst his ancestors Rashi and before him Hillel, Elnathan (governor of Judea) and ultimately back to King David.

    Robert Siegel

    Her parents were Russian Jewish immigrants who came to New York City in the 1930s.

    Esther Wojcicki

    That same part of the world is rather wide.

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  87. @AndrewR
    Are you saying you'll resort to any means for any ends? Or even any means for certain ends? Whether or not you have moral standards, some people actually do have them.

    Are you saying you’ll resort to any means for any ends? Or even any means for certain ends?

    No, you idiot. I was saying what I was saying. It’s not my problem if you mischaracterize it or if you’re too stupid to figure it out.

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  88. @Daniel Chieh

    These were Dutch patricians, not Americans, and I’m talking about the late nineteenth century.
     
    It would be vastly more dysgenic now; children with high mutational load then would often simply die. Decreased mortality means that more children with issues will survive to reproductive age.

    You have to offset against that the fact that a lot of people nowadays don’t reproduce at all.

    The folk wisdom POV is that cousin marriage produces deformed monsters that are mentally deficient but the real world evidence is that the results are only slightly worse in term of defects than marriage between unrelated parties. If the rate of defects is 2/1000 in the 1st group and 1/1000 in the latter it’s twice as bad (these are not real numbers) but still 998/1000 cousin offspring are fine (or at least no worse than anyone else).

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  89. @Lot
    Greeks ruled substantial parts of Italy about 700BC-250BC and again about 400AD-700AD. About 750 years total, and much longer than Italian rule over Greece. And in the final century of the Western Empire the Western Emperor was often a puppet of the Greek Eastern Emperor, so you could arguably add another century to the 750 years.

    Greeks ruled substantial parts of Italy about 700BC-250BC……

    Parts of Italy that were not Roman.

    ………and again about 400AD-700AD.

    By which point even the Romans were not really roman anymore. Nor perhaps the Greeks, greek. In any event, getting back to Daniel Chieh’s point above, one can’t argue that the Byzantines were especially “individualist”. Diocletian, who moved the seat of empire to the east, cast off even the pretense of republican forms and embraced the style of oriental despotism.

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  90. @Whiskey
    Meanwhile in the Florida shooting ... the cop on the scene AT THE SCHOOL ran and hid. A cop getting donuts essentially ala Steve on the Late Obama Age Collapse. I'm sure the cop was thinking, likely a person of color as the shooter, better get donuts.

    He's retired on full pension. But he is not being prosecuted for shooting a kid of color. The other cops responding milled about outside the school no doubt thinking the same thing.

    But hey, trust the government to protect you, turn in your guns to the Children's Crusade!

    And the chatterati wonder why people are bitterly clinging to their guns and religion. Tribally.

    Brooks is toast and knows it. The White middle and working classes are destined for serfdom if lucky but he'll be alongside them. Not much use for wealthy White Jews among the new overlords in MS 13 and ISIS and the New Black Panther Party. Who knew the Colors of Benetton were really a Rodney King Riot?

    I’m sure the cop was thinking, likely a person of color as the shooter, better get donuts.

    I rather tend to think he was thinking, per the cliche in every cop buddy-movie: I’m too old for this s**t; I don’t want to get killed when I’m eligible to retire.

    Brooks is toast and knows it. The White middle and working classes are destined for serfdom if lucky but he’ll be alongside them. Not much use for wealthy White Jews among the new overlords in MS 13 and ISIS and the New Black Panther Party.

    That is just ludicrous nonsense. But I knew that would be on offer when I saw the byline: Whiskey

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    Why wouldn't Brooks be toast? Think President Harris will have any use for him? Or DOJ head Keith Ellison?

    All the new leaders are Black or Hispanic. Not much love there for old Jews a Whiter shade of pale.

    How much Jewish influence in Khomeini s Iran or Nasser Egypt
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  91. @a reader
    In this somewhat different tribe, some things seem to run in the family too:

    Sadiq Aadam Mohamed was hacked to death on Tuesday night. His brother Mohamed, was stabbed to death in September 2017, and their cousin Mohamed Abdullahi was stabbed to death in 2013.
     

    Reminds me of the joke:

    Two Arabs are sitting in a Gaza Strip bar chatting. One pulls hiswallet out and starts flipping through pictures.

    “This is my oldest son, he is a martyr.”

    “You must be so proud,” says the other.

    “This is my second son. He is a martyr also.”

    “A fine young man,” replies his friend.

    “Here is my third son. He too is a martyr.”

    The second Arab sighs and says, “They blow up so fast, don’t they?”

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  92. @Anonym
    Which is the annoying, non-stop mantra of elitist Jewish brethren.

    Tribal norms reminiscent of Arab culture are kind of what you'd expect given that Ashkenazi Jews are about a half and half mix of Southern European and Middle Eastern (i.e. Arab) DNA. They're basically Arabs who have their s*** together. ;) Mostly joking.

    As Steve often references, the Bedouin saying:


    I, against my brothers. I and my brothers against my cousins. I and my brothers and my cousins against the world.
     

    I thought it was an Afghan saying.

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    I thought it was an Afghan saying.

    It probably is... as well. Googling it will reveal multiple variants, attributed to multiple nations/peoples. Evidently that phrase has been around a long, long time. The people from the Fertile Crescent have been that way for a long, long time. Consider that the Torah was written at least 2600 years ago, and the oral traditions went on before that. The Jews of course were just one tribe of a tribal area.

    I also like the variant with "the world" replaced with "the stranger". It reminds me of what it would be like to be a stranger chanced upon by a group of Thuggees. Many Thuggees were Muslim, this should not surprise us. Per wikipedia, Mark Twain wrote of them:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee#


    There is one very striking thing which I wish to call attention to. You have surmised from the listed callings followed by the victims of the Thugs that nobody could travel the Indian roads unprotected and live to get through; that the Thugs respected no quality, no vocation, no religion, nobody; that they killed every unarmed man that came in their way. That is wholly true — with one reservation. In all the long file of Thug confessions an English traveler is mentioned but once—and this is what the Thug says of the circumstance:

    "He was on his way from Mhow to Bombay. We studiously avoided him. He proceeded next morning with a number of travellers who had sought his protection, and they took the road to Baroda."

    We do not know who he was; he flits across the page of this rusty old book and disappears in the obscurity beyond; but he is an impressive figure, moving through that valley of death serene and unafraid, clothed in the might of the English name.

    We have now followed the big official book through, and we understand what Thuggee was, what a bloody terror it was, what a desolating scourge it was. In 1830 the English found this cancerous organisation embedded in the vitals of the empire, doing its devastating work in secrecy, and assisted, protected, sheltered, and hidden by innumerable confederates —big and little native chiefs, customs officers, village officials, and native police, all ready to lie for it, and the mass of the people, through fear, persistently pretending to know nothing about its doings; and this condition of things had existed for generations, and was formidable with the sanctions of age and old custom. If ever there was an unpromising task, if ever there was a hopeless task in the world, surely it was offered here—the task of conquering Thuggee. But that little handful of English officials in India set their sturdy and confident grip upon it, and ripped it out, root and branch!...
     
    If only we had a few such English politicians and civil servants, they would make short work of the Pakis in Britain!
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  93. @Bill P
    To be fair, I'd be proud of that, too.

    Honestly, I don't think Brooks, for all his bloviating, is all that bad. He is actually kind of thoughtful, at the very least.

    BTW, Andrew Sullivan recently wrote about the opioid issue in what might be his best piece in years. There was some understanding and compassion for Americans there, and today that's a real sign of independent thought.

    Maybe in their advancing age some of these opinionators are actually feeling a bit of regret when it comes to what's happened to their neglected children, the American people.

    Maybe in their advancing age some of these opinionators are actually feeling a bit of regret when it comes to what’s happened to their neglected children, the American people.

    That assumes they have any affinity for the American people in the first place. Clearly, a lot of them view us as a hostile tribe.

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  94. David Brooks never says anything original. A switch has been flipped and The Narrative is now openly confronting the dangers of tribalism which allegedly never existed, until it did.

    In the past few weeks, Jonathan Haidt, Steven Pinker and now Amy Chua have been given the spotlight to promote their fairly soft critiques of the Diversity Mantra.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/20/opinion/destructive-political-tribalism.html

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    They dominate key sectors of the economy, including Wall Street, the media, Hollywood and Silicon Valley. And because coastal elites are viewed by many in the heartland as “minority-loving” and pro-immigrant, they are seen as unconcerned with “real” Americans — indeed as threatening their way of life.

    What happened in America in 2016 is exactly what I would have predicted for a developing country pursuing elections in the presence of a deeply resented market-dominant minority: the rise of a populist movement in which demagogic voices called on “real” Americans to “take back our country.”
     

    Seeing coastal elites as a market-dominant minority is sobering. In my research, I’ve found no examples of countries successfully overcoming this problem. On the contrary, all over the world, when this dynamic takes hold of a nation’s politics, a result has been an erosion of trust in institutions and in electoral outcomes. Countries lurch toward authoritarianism, hate-mongering and an elite backlash against the popular side of democracy.

    Signs of all these developments are present in the United States. As to the latter, right before the 2016 election, a book review in The New Yorker discussed “the case against democracy,” including proposals to impose knowledge tests on voters (something Latin American elites have been writing about for a long time). The review quoted from a book by Jason Brennan, a libertarian political philosopher at Georgetown, who wrote that “excluding the bottom 80 percent of white voters from voting might be just what poor blacks need.
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/20/opinion/destructive-political-tribalism.html
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  95. David Brooks revealed that bit of personal information to try to make a point about our longing for connection. He did this though it’s not in his personal interest to further the iSteve-like obsession about Jewish tribalism.

    That’s not how tribalism works. Tribalism doesn’t feel the slightest need to be honest with those outside your tribe, it relies on the implicit.

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  96. @Father O'Hara
    Don't IDF soldiers basically spend their time beating up blondish Pallie girls,like the one who got all that attention. You join OUR Marines as an 0311 ,you're going to have guys shooting right the fuck at you.
    Better he play it safe. And in his circles,IDF will get the clothes off faster than US Army.

    Except when they have to fight off Hamas terrorists emerging from tunnels. There’s a war in Gaza about every 2 to 4 years – they are overdue about now:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict

    Israel’s population is 1/40th that of the US so 67 IDF killed is like 2,680 killed for the US, which is more than our losses in Afghanistan.

    There’s a pretty high chance that Hamas will start another war soon – the Israelis are building a massive underground system that will render the Hamas tunnels (which Hamas spent a huge amount of money digging) worthless so it is use it or lose it time for Hamas. Not to mention that Iran is turning up the pressure at the northern border. An Israeli jet just got shot down over Syria (after the Iranians sent a drone into Israel) for the first time in decades. If I was looking for a safe gig, the IDF would not be it.

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    The American Embassy move to Jerusalem in May will probably exacerbate problems with Hamas and others. That could be felt in oil, gold and various other asset classes that impact people far away, in addition to the increased security concerns and likely crazy responses from those closer to the front.
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  97. @Clifford Brown
    David Brooks never says anything original. A switch has been flipped and The Narrative is now openly confronting the dangers of tribalism which allegedly never existed, until it did.

    In the past few weeks, Jonathan Haidt, Steven Pinker and now Amy Chua have been given the spotlight to promote their fairly soft critiques of the Diversity Mantra.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/20/opinion/destructive-political-tribalism.html

    They dominate key sectors of the economy, including Wall Street, the media, Hollywood and Silicon Valley. And because coastal elites are viewed by many in the heartland as “minority-loving” and pro-immigrant, they are seen as unconcerned with “real” Americans — indeed as threatening their way of life.

    What happened in America in 2016 is exactly what I would have predicted for a developing country pursuing elections in the presence of a deeply resented market-dominant minority: the rise of a populist movement in which demagogic voices called on “real” Americans to “take back our country.”

    Seeing coastal elites as a market-dominant minority is sobering. In my research, I’ve found no examples of countries successfully overcoming this problem. On the contrary, all over the world, when this dynamic takes hold of a nation’s politics, a result has been an erosion of trust in institutions and in electoral outcomes. Countries lurch toward authoritarianism, hate-mongering and an elite backlash against the popular side of democracy.

    Signs of all these developments are present in the United States. As to the latter, right before the 2016 election, a book review in The New Yorker discussed “the case against democracy,” including proposals to impose knowledge tests on voters (something Latin American elites have been writing about for a long time). The review quoted from a book by Jason Brennan, a libertarian political philosopher at Georgetown, who wrote that “excluding the bottom 80 percent of white voters from voting might be just what poor blacks need.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/20/opinion/destructive-political-tribalism.html

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  98. @duncsbaby
    OT, but it appears Ann Althouse is channeling some iSteve vibes in this piece on a black history month kerfuffle at NYU:

    ADDED: This post caused me to make a new tag, "watermelon," and to apply to posts in the archive. In this process of retroactive tagging, I found 2 fascinating things.

    First, the time Dan Rather said, about our first black President, Barack Obama, "if a state trooper is flagging down the traffic on a highway, Obama couldn't sell watermelons."

    Second, the story of how Sayyid Qutb — who inspired al Qaeda — grew to hate Americans. So I dug up the text of "The America I Have Seen: In the Scale of Human Values" Sayyid Qutb ash-Shaheed (1951). The relevant excerpt:

    As for their food, that too is very strange. You will attract attention, and cause disbelief, if you request another cube of sugar for the cup of coffee or tea that you drink in America. Sugar is reserved for pickles and salads, while salt, my good sir, is saved for apples and watermelons.

    On your plate you will find combined a piece of salted meat, some boiled corn, some boiled peas, and some sweet jam. And on top of all this is what Americans call gravy, which is composed sometimes of fat, vinegar, flour, broth, apples, salt and pepper, and sugar, and water.

    We were at the table in one of the cafeterias of the University, when I saw some Americans putting salt on their watermelon. And I was prepared to see these strange fads and also to play jokes on them from time to time. And I said, faking innocence, "I see you sprinkling salt on the watermelon." One of them said," Yes! Don't you do the same in Egypt?" I said, "No! We sprinkle pepper!" A surprised and curious giri said," How would that taste?" I said, "You can try for yourself!" She tasted it and said approvingly," It's tasty!" and so did all the others.

    On another day in which watermelon was served, and most of the same people were at the table, I said "Some of us in Egypt use sugar at times instead of pepper." One of them tried it and said, "How tasty!" and so did all the others.

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/02/did-nyu-serve-racist-dinner-to.html

    Arabs really enjoy lying, over matters great and small. They get great pleasure out of tricking other people- that’s the essential basis for the Arab sense of humor. Lie detectors don’t even work on Arabs because lying doesn’t stress them at all.

    BTW, Qutb was ahead of his time – black pepper on fruit is trendy:

    https://www.epicurious.com/expert-advice/why-you-should-add-black-pepper-to-summer-fruit-article

    Mexican also put pepper on fruit but they use chili pepper (and lime and salt). Qutb’s head would have exploded.

    I wonder what the “sweet jam” on Qutb’s cafeteria plate was? Cranberry sauce? And where did he get his gravy recipe? Maybe Qutb wasn’t the only one pranking other people. 1949 was not a culinary high point in American history and college cafeterias are not notable for their fine cuisine but that gravy sounds pretty strange.

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  99. @istevefan
    If Brooks and other globalists were seriously interested in curtailing or preventing tribalism, then they would not have supported, and would not continue to support, the mass importation of dissimilar peoples into the USA. They actually would be in favor of having as much a homogeneous nation as possible.

    And we probably never came any closer to that than with our pre-1965 demographics which basically consisted of a 10 percent legacy slave population and an overwhelming European majority that more or less had melded and frequently intermarried amongst itself.

    Everything since 1965 has done nothing but increase the potential for tribalism. Additionally because our post 1965 immigration policy favors both mass immigration and family unification, it assures us that whatever new groups we get, we get them in numbers, in extended families and clustered in the same settlements. That is a recipe for tribalism.

    Also we have been running an insane visa lottery whose entire premise is to invite in people from groups that supposedly haven't yet immigrated to the USA in vast numbers. Thus it ensures an ever growing number of different ethnicities, aka tribes, into the USA.

    In fact our whole post 1965 immigration policy seems designed to nothing but create a multitude of factions, aka tribes. The fact Brooks and others continue to push for the same immigration policy is telling.

    A lot of the major cities in the North were 95-97% white before 1950. The countryside in the North was close to 100%. This is what makes those anti white TV commercials that one sees now so remarkable.

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    You are correct. The population as a total was 87% white, but minorities were highly concentrated in certain areas and not evenly distributed. Many places were essentially 100 percent white.
    , @Hibernian
    If you include Chicago and/or Detroit among your major Northen cities, you have to substitute 1915 for 1950, probably for at least some other major Northern cities as well. You're talking about combined Black, Hispanic, and Asian population < or = 5%.
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  100. @Whiskey
    Meanwhile in the Florida shooting ... the cop on the scene AT THE SCHOOL ran and hid. A cop getting donuts essentially ala Steve on the Late Obama Age Collapse. I'm sure the cop was thinking, likely a person of color as the shooter, better get donuts.

    He's retired on full pension. But he is not being prosecuted for shooting a kid of color. The other cops responding milled about outside the school no doubt thinking the same thing.

    But hey, trust the government to protect you, turn in your guns to the Children's Crusade!

    And the chatterati wonder why people are bitterly clinging to their guns and religion. Tribally.

    Brooks is toast and knows it. The White middle and working classes are destined for serfdom if lucky but he'll be alongside them. Not much use for wealthy White Jews among the new overlords in MS 13 and ISIS and the New Black Panther Party. Who knew the Colors of Benetton were really a Rodney King Riot?

    Neither the cop nor the shooter was a Person of Color. School shooters tend to be white (occasionally Asian, rarely black). Black people prefer to do their shooting retail and not wholesale. Overall black carnage is far, far worse but it happens in 1′s and 2′s and not by the dozen so it doesn’t get the same publicity.

    Despite his Hispanic name, Cruz was adopted and his genetic background is not clear, but he looks pretty Euro. He also looks strange – fetal alcohol syndrome?

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    In one post about his biological mother, Cruz said: “My real mom was a Jew. I am glad I never met her”

    JTA
    , @Whiskey
    Agreed but imho the only explanation for cops running and hiding is fear of being tried. Cops are selected for aggression
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Jack, I agree with your specific point that Cruz was probably not the type that would keep a cop restrained via Steve's "Ferguson effect".

    Black people prefer to do their shooting retail and not wholesale.
     
    However, as far as non-white shootings, you may want to read Ann Coulter from just today. The article is on VDare via syndication or what-have-you, but Miss Coulter is basically channeling many years of VDare writing there.

    These involve killings of 4 or more. You may be correct in the specific case of elementary/middle/high schools though.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome

    but he looks pretty Euro

     

    LOL. Maybe Eastern Europe which doesn't count.

    Amerimutt / Le 56% Face

    Who Was Shut Out?: Immigration Quotas, 1925–1927
    ...a blatant effort to limit immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe

     

    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    black carnage is far, far worse but it happens in 1′s and 2′s and not by the dozen so it doesn’t get the same publicity

     

    Blacks do it all the time so it's not even newsworthy. Ever hear of a 'drive by'? Plus, the media isn't going to show the close up mug of a Negro murderer all over tv, newspapers and online because that would be racist.

    Some mass shootings in the ghetto you may have never heard of:

    [2010] Drive-by shooting in Washington, D.C. leaves three dead, six wounded

    [2012] Two Killed, 12 Wounded in Drive-By Shooting at Funeral Home

    [2013] Northwest D.C. on camera. Thirteen people were injured when gunmen opened fire in front of a crowd outside an apartment building

    [2015] 10 Hurt After Men With Shotgun Open Fire on Father's Day Block Party in West Philadelphia

    [2016] Mass shooting at BBQ leaves 6 dead including unborn child [2 wounded]
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  101. @D. K.
    I remember June 9, 1967. I was pissed off, that Friday evening, because ABC had preempted "The Time Tunnel" because of the ongoing news coverage of the Six-Day War!

    I remember June 9, 1967. I was pissed off, that Friday evening, because ABC had preempted “The Time Tunnel” because of the ongoing news coverage of the Six-Day War!

    LOL. I enjoyed The Time Tunnel as well. But that was a rerun, they expected you to be at your TV on-time to watch it during it’s first run.

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    LOL. I enjoyed The Time Tunnel as well. But that was a rerun, they expected you to be at your TV on-time to watch it during it’s first run.
     
    Time Tunnel itself was just a "rerun", i.e., knockoff of Tooter Turtle, with a bit of Mr Peabody thrown in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTH0b_90cUA

    https://goo.gl/images/6hmM3s

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  102. @Steve Sailer
    It seems like it.

    Have you done 23 & Me or similar? People often turn up unknown relatives, sometimes close ones.

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  103. @Mr. Blank
    I found the “who are your heroes?” question illuminating, because I realized most of the people who immediately came to mind for me are dead.

    A few living ones I came up with:

    George W. Bush: Though I have gradually evolved to the point where I think most of what Dubya did was a disaster, I retain a lingering affection for his unflappable, steadfast determination and serious, grownup demeanor. He might have been a lousy president, but he was a sterling example of a man. Would that such manly qualities had been invested in a leader more suited for the times...

    Bill Gates: Windows mostly sucks, and his foundation is a waste of money, but he’s the last businessman I can think of whose efforts in business left the world a better place than he found it. (Steve Jobs is a better example, but Jobs is dead.)

    Chuck Yeager and all the old astronauts like Buzz Aldrin: The level of courage those guys had is almost inconceivable today.

    John Derbyshire, Pat Buchanan and Charles Murray: I share many of the opinions of these guys but I’m too cowardly to affix my own name to them. All three of them have paid a price for it, and I believe all three will be mostly vindicated — though probably not within their own lifetimes.

    Tom Wolfe: He will probably be remembered in hindsight as the greatest writer of his age.

    Elon Musk: He’s kind of a putz but his childlike enthusiasm is admittedly endearing. We could use more rich assholes like him.

    Shigeru Miyamoto: My generation’s Walt Disney.

    I’m sure I’m forgetting a few, but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Those are just the famous ones, by the way. I have other heroes, but none of them are famous — mostly business or military guys I just happen to know.

    If you expand the criteria to people I merely “admire” for various reasons, the list would be a lot longer — but “hero” to me denotes something more than mere admiration. A hero is not just somebody who is greatly accomplished, but somebody worthy of emulation. There just aren’t a lot of living people I think can live up to that standard.

    Bill Gates: Windows mostly sucks, and his foundation is a waste of money, but he’s the last businessman I can think of whose efforts in business left the world a better place than he found it. (Steve Jobs is a better example, but Jobs is dead.)

    Paul Allen is far more admirable than either.

    Agree on Derb, Murray, and even Buchanan, but add Sailer, Unz, Gottfredson, Jordan Peterson, James Watson (except for his cowardly apology), Rushton, Herrnstein, Giraldi, and many others. All have paid a steep price for their truthfulness. The list could be much longer, but these names stand out in a quick moment of reflection. Shockley for example just came to me.

    As a cynic, I’d ask if one can be a hero and not a martyr?

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  104. @Anonym
    No question your response is more accurate, I was shooting for the funny and, a little insightful maybe. The people around that part of the earth are known for their clannishness. And supposedly the Palestinians are part of that Levantine group, right?

    I would have thought just by looking at a lot of Jews, they are closer to European than Arab or Levantine. Some Druze:

    998624_568947629833286_460357604_n.jpg

    More:

    http://www.aymennjawad.org/14038/the-druze-militias-of-southern-syria

    Looking at pictures of famous Jews, they seem more European if Southern European to me. Though some seem to be more generally European than others, like Zuck for example.

    That 65-70% stat is a good one to promote.

    And supposedly the Palestinians are part of that Levantine group, right?

    Please engage with this Twitter account…

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    My god, I am not stepping one toe in that swamp. I note that even Paul Nehlen has ventured into the bog!

    It's funny, apparently the Palis view the Jews as brothers from another mother.
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  105. @Lot
    23andme, despite being founded by and and heavily used by Ashkenazi and demi-Ashkenazi, does not have an accurate cousin-finder feature that works for them due to the bottleneck event/small founder population issue. Also does not work for the same reason for French Canadians. It works best for non-Ashkenazi white North Americans.

    Thus it is possible but unlikely they are really third cousins.

    Why would Jews be heavy users of 23 and Me, other than they are the kind of people with disposable income to spend on things like this? I can’t think of a bigger waste because the results for all full blooded Ashkenazi Jews turn up the same – it’s not like you are going to find out that you are 1/8 Cherokee or something and you never knew it.

    Most Jews are not third cousins with each other in the family tree sense where you could point to a single pair of common ancestors 4 generations ago but they have the same degree of genetic overlap as actual 3rd cousins because of a larger number common ancestors further back in the tree.

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    Most Jews are not third cousins with each other in the family tree sense where you could point to a single pair of common ancestors 4 generations ago but they have the same degree of genetic overlap as actual 3rd cousins because of a larger number common ancestors further back in the tree.
     
    From what I understand of genetics (admittedly not much) 23andMe should be able to distinguish between actual 3rd cousins and the "virtual" kind. The way they determine relatedness is by looking at the length of shared strands of DNA. So though you may share the same amount of DNA with virtual 3rd cousins, as with actual ones, it'll have broken up into shorter strands.

    As a reductio ad absurdum, think about the animal kingdom as a whole; we all derive from a single organism some 2 billion years ago, but we're not all identical twins today!

    , @Lot
    Cousin finder is only one of many fun features.
    , @res

    Why would Jews be heavy users of 23 and Me, other than they are the kind of people with disposable income to spend on things like this?
     
    For potential parents, checking genetic diseases like Tay-Sachs Disease.
    https://jscreen.org/reasons-for-genetic-testing/

    I am surprised you did not think of that. Even for people not interested in that, having a number of people in one's social group getting tested and finding out interesting things probably increases the frequency for others.

    Also, my sense is Jews tend to have some other characteristics (in addition to income) which I think would increase the rate of early adoption of technology like genetic testing. For example, being smart and intellectually curious.

    Most Jews are not third cousins with each other in the family tree sense where you could point to a single pair of common ancestors 4 generations ago but they have the same degree of genetic overlap as actual 3rd cousins because of a larger number common ancestors further back in the tree.
     
    Do you have a reference for that? I'm not sure they are actually THAT close. This article mentions 30th cousins, but I think they mean by descent not state: http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/184252/study-says-all-ashkenazi-jews-are-30th-cousins

    For anyone interested in this topic this looks like a decent starting point: The population genetics of the Jewish people
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543766/
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  106. The whole point of that paragraph was to ADMIT that Brookes has Tribal Feelings too! That is what the “rationalism not the total cure” bit was about, and the line about having no rational basis for the 3rd cousin thing making him feel warm fuzzies

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  107. @Old Palo Altan
    Nothing wrong with first and second cousin marriages if the genotype is healthy. Some of my own relations even married their nieces - it was a question of keeping the money in the family. These were Dutch patricians, not Americans, and I'm talking about the late nineteenth century.
    The offspring were fine. I have no doubt that they would have been told to think again if they had expressed an interest in marrying their nieces too, but marriage with first cousins did go on in some cases for two and even three generations with, again, not only no bad side effects, but the emergence of an elite which was every bit as intellectually brilliant as it was financially secure. Proof? Two Nobel prize winners and a host of eminent men in every field, from medicine and physics to art and architecture to law and government.

    The Jews are worried about this sort of rival tribalism, not that of blacks or Mexicans.
    I wonder why?

    Nothing wrong with first and second cousin marriages if the genotype is healthy. Some of my own relations even married their nieces – it was a question of keeping the money in the family.

    Breeders of purebred livestock pay considerable attention to their animals’ pedigrees. The mating of cousin with cousin or of uncle with niece, called “line-breeding,” is often deliberately used to propagate desirable traits. There’s no reason it shouldn’t work as well with humans as it does with horses or dogs, provided, as you say, that the genotype is healthy.

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    As Steve has often mentioned, animal (and plant) breeding was sort of an obsession for 19th century British and American gentlemen - dogs, horses, poultry, cattle, better crop varieties, etc.

    Now the ideal dog is a shelter rescue of unknown parentage and our elite's closest connection to a farm is some yuppie scum farmers market where the heirloom tomatoes are $4 lb. even in the dead of summer.
    , @Daniel Chieh

    Breeders of purebred livestock pay considerable attention to their animals’ pedigrees. The mating of cousin with cousin or of uncle with niece, called “line-breeding,” is often deliberately used to propagate desirable traits. There’s no reason it shouldn’t work as well with humans as it does with horses or dogs, provided, as you say, that the genotype is healthy.
     
    Breeders often slaughter descendants with unwanted characteristics or genetic ailments with ruthless impunity(such a process created the German Shepherd dog). I can't think of any human society, even Spartans, that practiced infanticide on a comparable level.
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  108. @syonredux

    Conscious reason can get you only so far when tribal emotions have been aroused, when existential fears rain down, when narcissistic impulses have been given free rein, when spiritual longings have nowhere healthy to go, when social trust has been devastated, when all the unconscious networks that make up 99 percent of our thinking are aflame and disordered. …
     
    I'm sure that your co-ethnics in Israel could explain "existential fears" to you, Dave....Or maybe you could just ask your IDF -veteran son....

    The paragraph above too:

    That is to say, Pinker doesn’t spend much time on the decline of social trust, the breakdown of family life, the polarization of national life, the spread of tribal mentalities, the rise of narcissism, the decline of social capital, the rising alienation from institutions or the decline of citizenship and neighborliness. …

    Conscious reason can get you only so far when tribal emotions have been aroused, when existential fears rain down, when narcissistic impulses have been given free rein, when spiritual longings have nowhere healthy to go, when social trust has been devastated, when all the unconscious networks that make up 99 percent of our thinking are aflame and disordered. …

    I mean seriously David, how either dishonest or clueless are you?

    My whole life Jewish leftist minoritarian ideology has been tearing and scratching at every thread of the fabric of regular old gentile American society–community, family, marriage, religion, traditions, heck ‘effing Christmas. And then beating the crap outta of us with forced integration and mass importation of foreigners–turning America from a nation into merely a commercial bazaar.

    And Brooks has the gall to whine about “decline of social trust”, “rising alienation”, “decline of citizenship and neighborliness.” “Decline of citizenship” really takes the cake. From a guy who every week preaches that Americans are shit and should be replaced by better, more hustling foreigners?

    You want someone to blame David? Look in the f’ing mirror!

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  109. OT: Trump speech thread

    President Trump is making a mistake by emphasizing the need for qualified foreign workers and immigrants. We still have a lot of qualified workers who need jobs, and people who have given up looking.

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    David Brooks is the 7th grade guy, nice guy, who I went to his Bar Mitzvah, but...he turned into a monster.
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  111. @Lot
    The estimated ancient ancestry of Ashkenazi has become more precise since the old initial 50/50 Levantine/Italian estimates. Here is a 2017 analysis using huge gene databases:

    One estimate method:

    --The inferred ancestry profile for AJ was 5% Western EU, 10% Eastern EU, 30% Levant, and 55% Southern EU. --

    Levantine here is not "Arabs" or even Levantine Arabs, but the ancient Leavtine population which is better represented by modern Druze, Samaritans, and Lebanese Christians, and more distantly Syrian and Egyptian Christians (Copts and Assyrians).

    Using a couple more methods, they have the European share as 63% and 67%.

    The general model they have is the Italian proto-Ashkenazi were about 30/70 South EU/Levantine, and the East and Western EU mixture came after the bottleneck of the migration to the Rhineland and from there East.

    The general model they have is the Italian proto-Ashkenazi were about 30/70 South EU/Levantine, and the East and Western EU mixture came after the bottleneck of the migration to the Rhineland and from there East.

    I assume that is 70/30 and not the reverse but I still don’t understand how you make the math come out either way after dilution?

    Anyway the alien Jewish (“Semitic”) race is really 2/3 European so they are maybe not so alien after all. Maybe we are even “Old Stock”?

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    Yes I reversed the 70/30 number.
    , @Anonymous

    The general model they have is the Italian proto-Ashkenazi were about 30/70 South EU/Levantine, and the East and Western EU mixture came after the bottleneck of the migration to the Rhineland and from there East.
     
    Despite what Lot himself said, the 30/70 proportions sound about right for PROTO-Ashkenazi if one assumes that current Ashkenazi are now down to about 30% Levantine heritage. The Levantine percentage would have gone down, and could hardly have increased while the group lived in Southern, Western and Eastern Europe.

    In other words, they could not have started out with 30 then and still be at 30 today.
    , @Bardon Kaldian

    Anyway the alien Jewish (“Semitic”) race is really 2/3 European so they are maybe not so alien after all. Maybe we are even “Old Stock”?
     
    There is no Jewish "race". Simply, resident Judeophobes are morons. Not much to discuss here.
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  112. @Bill P
    To be fair, I'd be proud of that, too.

    Honestly, I don't think Brooks, for all his bloviating, is all that bad. He is actually kind of thoughtful, at the very least.

    BTW, Andrew Sullivan recently wrote about the opioid issue in what might be his best piece in years. There was some understanding and compassion for Americans there, and today that's a real sign of independent thought.

    Maybe in their advancing age some of these opinionators are actually feeling a bit of regret when it comes to what's happened to their neglected children, the American people.

    David Brooks is a fucking idiot.
    You are shitting me!

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  113. @Crawfurdmuir

    Nothing wrong with first and second cousin marriages if the genotype is healthy. Some of my own relations even married their nieces – it was a question of keeping the money in the family.
     
    Breeders of purebred livestock pay considerable attention to their animals' pedigrees. The mating of cousin with cousin or of uncle with niece, called "line-breeding," is often deliberately used to propagate desirable traits. There's no reason it shouldn't work as well with humans as it does with horses or dogs, provided, as you say, that the genotype is healthy.

    As Steve has often mentioned, animal (and plant) breeding was sort of an obsession for 19th century British and American gentlemen – dogs, horses, poultry, cattle, better crop varieties, etc.

    Now the ideal dog is a shelter rescue of unknown parentage and our elite’s closest connection to a farm is some yuppie scum farmers market where the heirloom tomatoes are $4 lb. even in the dead of summer.

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  114. @Daniel Chieh

    These were Dutch patricians, not Americans, and I’m talking about the late nineteenth century.
     
    It would be vastly more dysgenic now; children with high mutational load then would often simply die. Decreased mortality means that more children with issues will survive to reproductive age.

    It would be vastly more dysgenic now; children with high mutational load then would often simply die. Decreased mortality means that more children with issues will survive to reproductive age.

    Not necessarily related to inbreeding, but your remark raises a question about which I’ve often wondered – does modern medicine’s ability to preserve the lives of people with genetic maladies have a dysgenic effect?

    For example, before the development of insulin therapy, Type I diabetes almost always led to the sufferer’s death before reaching marriageable age. Now diabetics routinely survive to adulthood, and many marry and raise children. Is there a measurable increase in the incidence of diabetes as a result?

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    I’ve often thought that people must have died from, for example, peanut allergy. But now we notice it and avoid peanuts and treat the problem. Those folks have children and as a result there a lot more children with peanut allergies. Just one of many illnesses that people seem to have these days that they didn’t have 50 years ago.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    According to this paper, mutational load is indeed increasing and I find the idea to be probable.

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs40806-017-0133-5
    , @Bill
    OTOH, people with big heads kill their mothers in child birth a lot less. Big head goes with smart, so this is arguably not a defect/malady.
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  115. @Anon
    Invaders complaining about Super-Invaders.

    https://www.amren.com/news/2018/02/italian-town-taken-nigerian-migrant-gangs/

    A chunk of future journalism will be a cut and paste of that article.

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  116. @istevefan
    If Brooks and other globalists were seriously interested in curtailing or preventing tribalism, then they would not have supported, and would not continue to support, the mass importation of dissimilar peoples into the USA. They actually would be in favor of having as much a homogeneous nation as possible.

    And we probably never came any closer to that than with our pre-1965 demographics which basically consisted of a 10 percent legacy slave population and an overwhelming European majority that more or less had melded and frequently intermarried amongst itself.

    Everything since 1965 has done nothing but increase the potential for tribalism. Additionally because our post 1965 immigration policy favors both mass immigration and family unification, it assures us that whatever new groups we get, we get them in numbers, in extended families and clustered in the same settlements. That is a recipe for tribalism.

    Also we have been running an insane visa lottery whose entire premise is to invite in people from groups that supposedly haven't yet immigrated to the USA in vast numbers. Thus it ensures an ever growing number of different ethnicities, aka tribes, into the USA.

    In fact our whole post 1965 immigration policy seems designed to nothing but create a multitude of factions, aka tribes. The fact Brooks and others continue to push for the same immigration policy is telling.

    And we probably never came any closer to that than with our pre-1965 demographics which basically consisted of a 10 percent legacy slave population and an overwhelming European majority that more or less had melded and frequently intermarried amongst itself.

    Everything since 1965 has done nothing but increase the potential for tribalism.

    You’re absolutely nailing it iSteveFan.

    I’d only add, that it’s not just immigration, though that’s the big irreversible disaster, but there’s been a prolonged cultural attack on the American “white bread” gentile culture–values, mores, traditions, everything.

    1965–or ’60, pick a date–was indeed a high point. There was an “American people” as you note. And there was nothing preventing American Jews from melding with that if they wanted to.

    But no. In a spasm of “not invented here” hostility–and just pure hate/contempt–it had to be belittled, broken up and torn down.

    Brooks whining about the wreckage is just beyond chutzpah, it’s some level of fraudulent dishonest sociopathy. Or look how terrible what’s happening … more please!

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    1965–or ’60, pick a date–was indeed a high point. There was an “American people” as you note. And there was nothing preventing American Jews from melding with that if they wanted to.
     
    You will note the great conservative of 1964 was Barry Goldwater, a product of such melding.
    , @Anonymous
    The threat of Jews melding into an appealing and happy American society is actually the reason they had to poison the well.

    America had the potential to finally solve the Jewish Question -- so Jews decided to solve the America Question first.
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  117. OT but classic Sailer stuff

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/22/martins-beach-silicon-valley-billionaire-takes-case-to-u-s-supreme-court/

    “In a direct challenge to California’s landmark law guaranteeing public access to beaches, Silicon Valley billionaire Vinod Khosla on Thursday filed an appeal with the U.S. Supreme Court, arguing that he should not be required to allow public access to Martins Beach in San Mateo County.

    Khosla, in his petition for the nation’s highest court to take up the case, argued the California Coastal Commission violated his property rights by requiring him to obtain a permit to padlock the gates to a shoreline that families had used back to the 1920s after he purchased 89 acres surrounding the beach south of Half Moon Bay.

    Whether the court takes up the case is a question, but the powerful venture capitalist has hired a high-profile legal team to turn the battle over a San Mateo County beach into a fight over the future of California’s coastal laws.”

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  118. @Jack D
    Neither the cop nor the shooter was a Person of Color. School shooters tend to be white (occasionally Asian, rarely black). Black people prefer to do their shooting retail and not wholesale. Overall black carnage is far, far worse but it happens in 1's and 2's and not by the dozen so it doesn't get the same publicity.

    Despite his Hispanic name, Cruz was adopted and his genetic background is not clear, but he looks pretty Euro. He also looks strange - fetal alcohol syndrome?

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/78dc7cb6c80452579447b938fdeebeba76f676fc/c=37-0-1162-1500&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/2018/02/15/USATODAY/USATODAY/636542751600691091-nikolas-cruz-021518.jpg

    In one post about his biological mother, Cruz said: “My real mom was a Jew. I am glad I never met her”

    JTA

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  119. @Jack D
    Why would Jews be heavy users of 23 and Me, other than they are the kind of people with disposable income to spend on things like this? I can't think of a bigger waste because the results for all full blooded Ashkenazi Jews turn up the same - it's not like you are going to find out that you are 1/8 Cherokee or something and you never knew it.

    Most Jews are not third cousins with each other in the family tree sense where you could point to a single pair of common ancestors 4 generations ago but they have the same degree of genetic overlap as actual 3rd cousins because of a larger number common ancestors further back in the tree.

    Most Jews are not third cousins with each other in the family tree sense where you could point to a single pair of common ancestors 4 generations ago but they have the same degree of genetic overlap as actual 3rd cousins because of a larger number common ancestors further back in the tree.

    From what I understand of genetics (admittedly not much) 23andMe should be able to distinguish between actual 3rd cousins and the “virtual” kind. The way they determine relatedness is by looking at the length of shared strands of DNA. So though you may share the same amount of DNA with virtual 3rd cousins, as with actual ones, it’ll have broken up into shorter strands.

    As a reductio ad absurdum, think about the animal kingdom as a whole; we all derive from a single organism some 2 billion years ago, but we’re not all identical twins today!

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    Every human is 99.6% similar to every other human and 96% similar to a chimp, so the differences are what distinguish us, not the similarities.
    , @Anonymous
    Correct on the science, but "you and Steven Pinker have a lot of common ancestors who lived 1,800 years ago" doesn't make for snazzy PR.
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  120. @Mr. Blank
    I found the “who are your heroes?” question illuminating, because I realized most of the people who immediately came to mind for me are dead.

    A few living ones I came up with:

    George W. Bush: Though I have gradually evolved to the point where I think most of what Dubya did was a disaster, I retain a lingering affection for his unflappable, steadfast determination and serious, grownup demeanor. He might have been a lousy president, but he was a sterling example of a man. Would that such manly qualities had been invested in a leader more suited for the times...

    Bill Gates: Windows mostly sucks, and his foundation is a waste of money, but he’s the last businessman I can think of whose efforts in business left the world a better place than he found it. (Steve Jobs is a better example, but Jobs is dead.)

    Chuck Yeager and all the old astronauts like Buzz Aldrin: The level of courage those guys had is almost inconceivable today.

    John Derbyshire, Pat Buchanan and Charles Murray: I share many of the opinions of these guys but I’m too cowardly to affix my own name to them. All three of them have paid a price for it, and I believe all three will be mostly vindicated — though probably not within their own lifetimes.

    Tom Wolfe: He will probably be remembered in hindsight as the greatest writer of his age.

    Elon Musk: He’s kind of a putz but his childlike enthusiasm is admittedly endearing. We could use more rich assholes like him.

    Shigeru Miyamoto: My generation’s Walt Disney.

    I’m sure I’m forgetting a few, but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Those are just the famous ones, by the way. I have other heroes, but none of them are famous — mostly business or military guys I just happen to know.

    If you expand the criteria to people I merely “admire” for various reasons, the list would be a lot longer — but “hero” to me denotes something more than mere admiration. A hero is not just somebody who is greatly accomplished, but somebody worthy of emulation. There just aren’t a lot of living people I think can live up to that standard.

    I found the “who are your heroes?” question illuminating, because I realized most of the people who immediately came to mind for me are dead.

    Same here. For example, my biggest boyhood hero was Captain James Cook.

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  121. @istevefan
    If Brooks and other globalists were seriously interested in curtailing or preventing tribalism, then they would not have supported, and would not continue to support, the mass importation of dissimilar peoples into the USA. They actually would be in favor of having as much a homogeneous nation as possible.

    And we probably never came any closer to that than with our pre-1965 demographics which basically consisted of a 10 percent legacy slave population and an overwhelming European majority that more or less had melded and frequently intermarried amongst itself.

    Everything since 1965 has done nothing but increase the potential for tribalism. Additionally because our post 1965 immigration policy favors both mass immigration and family unification, it assures us that whatever new groups we get, we get them in numbers, in extended families and clustered in the same settlements. That is a recipe for tribalism.

    Also we have been running an insane visa lottery whose entire premise is to invite in people from groups that supposedly haven't yet immigrated to the USA in vast numbers. Thus it ensures an ever growing number of different ethnicities, aka tribes, into the USA.

    In fact our whole post 1965 immigration policy seems designed to nothing but create a multitude of factions, aka tribes. The fact Brooks and others continue to push for the same immigration policy is telling.

    You’re right comparing the beginning state and the end state. But the dynamic phase is very cohering for the clerisy.

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  122. @AnotherDad

    And we probably never came any closer to that than with our pre-1965 demographics which basically consisted of a 10 percent legacy slave population and an overwhelming European majority that more or less had melded and frequently intermarried amongst itself.

    Everything since 1965 has done nothing but increase the potential for tribalism.
     
    You're absolutely nailing it iSteveFan.

    I'd only add, that it's not just immigration, though that's the big irreversible disaster, but there's been a prolonged cultural attack on the American "white bread" gentile culture--values, mores, traditions, everything.

    1965--or '60, pick a date--was indeed a high point. There was an "American people" as you note. And there was nothing preventing American Jews from melding with that if they wanted to.

    But no. In a spasm of "not invented here" hostility--and just pure hate/contempt--it had to be belittled, broken up and torn down.

    Brooks whining about the wreckage is just beyond chutzpah, it's some level of fraudulent dishonest sociopathy. Or look how terrible what's happening ... more please!

    1965–or ’60, pick a date–was indeed a high point. There was an “American people” as you note. And there was nothing preventing American Jews from melding with that if they wanted to.

    You will note the great conservative of 1964 was Barry Goldwater, a product of such melding.

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    Brown v Board of Education was in 1954 (No Jews on the Supreme Court) and the New York Times (shortly followed by the rest of the media) stopped reporting the race of criminals in 1946.

    So I'd say the Jews melded perfectly into the mainstream culture. It just happened to be 'screw over poor white people' which is part of the reason they melded so well.
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  123. @songbird
    A lot of the major cities in the North were 95-97% white before 1950. The countryside in the North was close to 100%. This is what makes those anti white TV commercials that one sees now so remarkable.

    You are correct. The population as a total was 87% white, but minorities were highly concentrated in certain areas and not evenly distributed. Many places were essentially 100 percent white.

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  124. @Jack D

    The general model they have is the Italian proto-Ashkenazi were about 30/70 South EU/Levantine, and the East and Western EU mixture came after the bottleneck of the migration to the Rhineland and from there East.
     
    I assume that is 70/30 and not the reverse but I still don't understand how you make the math come out either way after dilution?

    Anyway the alien Jewish ("Semitic") race is really 2/3 European so they are maybe not so alien after all. Maybe we are even "Old Stock"?

    Yes I reversed the 70/30 number.

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  125. @AnotherDad

    I remember June 9, 1967. I was pissed off, that Friday evening, because ABC had preempted “The Time Tunnel” because of the ongoing news coverage of the Six-Day War!
     
    LOL. I enjoyed The Time Tunnel as well. But that was a rerun, they expected you to be at your TV on-time to watch it during it's first run.

    LOL. I enjoyed The Time Tunnel as well. But that was a rerun, they expected you to be at your TV on-time to watch it during it’s first run.

    Time Tunnel itself was just a “rerun”, i.e., knockoff of Tooter Turtle, with a bit of Mr Peabody thrown in.

    https://goo.gl/images/6hmM3s

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  126. @International Jew

    Most Jews are not third cousins with each other in the family tree sense where you could point to a single pair of common ancestors 4 generations ago but they have the same degree of genetic overlap as actual 3rd cousins because of a larger number common ancestors further back in the tree.
     
    From what I understand of genetics (admittedly not much) 23andMe should be able to distinguish between actual 3rd cousins and the "virtual" kind. The way they determine relatedness is by looking at the length of shared strands of DNA. So though you may share the same amount of DNA with virtual 3rd cousins, as with actual ones, it'll have broken up into shorter strands.

    As a reductio ad absurdum, think about the animal kingdom as a whole; we all derive from a single organism some 2 billion years ago, but we're not all identical twins today!

    Every human is 99.6% similar to every other human and 96% similar to a chimp, so the differences are what distinguish us, not the similarities.

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  127. @Jack D
    Why would Jews be heavy users of 23 and Me, other than they are the kind of people with disposable income to spend on things like this? I can't think of a bigger waste because the results for all full blooded Ashkenazi Jews turn up the same - it's not like you are going to find out that you are 1/8 Cherokee or something and you never knew it.

    Most Jews are not third cousins with each other in the family tree sense where you could point to a single pair of common ancestors 4 generations ago but they have the same degree of genetic overlap as actual 3rd cousins because of a larger number common ancestors further back in the tree.

    Cousin finder is only one of many fun features.

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  128. Yeah they sound like a bunch of inbred freaks. I bet a bunch of hillbillies are pointing and laughing at them and making sister jokes right now. They’d better get some fresh vigorous vibrant sub-Saharan blood up in their veins, stat, before their old decrepit stale inbred torpid Jewish blood calcifies in their veins.

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  129. OT: This article inches perilously close to HBD for a mainstream publication:

    “You can predict trust by where people’s ancestors come from,” Bjornskov told me.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-02-23/you-can-t-have-denmark-without-danes

    I asked Bjornskov if there was some way the U.S. could make itself more trusting. Unfortunately, he told me, the literature is better at showing us how to destroy trust than to build it.

    Actually, we know exactly how to increase trust. The answer simply is offensive, if not incomprehensible, to leftist and even mainstream brains: homogeneity.

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  130. Large protests planned as Israel gets ready to deport thousands of African migrants.

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5127607,00.html

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  131. Yes, but in all fairness, the end of his Feb 22nd article was intended to demonstrate the (perceived) irrationality of his tribalism. It’s not really a double standard… well, not in *this* article, anyway.

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  132. @Jack D

    For the most part, we found zero degrees of separation.

    This means that most of the individuals we tested were directly related to one another.

    This finding far exceeds the three degrees of separation found among most Americans.
     
    This dumb because of course a group of people who stem from the same part of the world is going to be more closely related than randomly selected Americans who are from all over the planet. What is the degree of separation if you selected 15 Icelandic-American celebrities (if we have that many)? This is like comparing walnuts and grapefruits and finding that the average grapefruit weighs more - it's a completely trivial finding. You could have skipped the DNA tests and reached the same conclusion.

    This dumb because of course a group of people who stem from the same part of the world is going to be more closely related than randomly selected Americans who are from all over the planet.

    Behar was born in Havana, Cuba in 1956 to a Jewish-Cuban family of Sephardic Turkish, and Ashkenazi Polish and Russian ancestry.

    Ruth Behar

    His father is of Scottish descent, and his mother is Jewish (his maternal grandfather was born in Israel and his maternal grandmother was from Minsk, Belarus).

    Joshua Bell

    Three of her four grandparents emigrated from Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary.

    Mayim Bialik

    Her father was descended from immigrants to New Spain from Spain in the 1500s – Her mother was of English and Irish ancestry.

    Linda Chavez

    His grandparents emigrated to Canada from Poland and Romania in 1926.

    Steven Pinker

    His maternal grandfather claimed to descend from rabbinical scholar Mordechai Yoffe.

    Yoffe was born in Prague, Czech Republic; he could count amongst his ancestors Rashi and before him Hillel, Elnathan (governor of Judea) and ultimately back to King David.

    Robert Siegel

    Her parents were Russian Jewish immigrants who came to New York City in the 1930s.

    Esther Wojcicki

    That same part of the world is rather wide.

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    4 and a half (out of 7) are from the Pale of Settlement or Austria-Hungry.
    , @Jack D
    There are Juffe's in my family tree. All the variant spellings ( Iofe, Joffe, Jaffa, Yafa, Yapha, Yoffe, Yoffie, etc.) stem from the same Hebrew word yafe' meaning beautiful or pleasant. So maybe we are related too.

    But the name is descriptive and people with that name are not necessarily related to each other. Jews didn't have surnames until as late as the 19th century but they often had nicknames because the pool of given names was pretty small - even in a little shtetl you might have a number of Moshe's , Isaac's, Abraham's, Rivka's (Rebecca's) etc. So you might say I was talking to the little (Klein) Moshe or the big (Gross) Moshe, etc. so you could tell them apart and sometimes these names later stuck as surnames, especially if they were flattering or at least not insulting which many of the nicknames were - they were often no holds barred based on the most salient characteristic good or bad - you might have the blind Isaac or the lame Sarah, etc.).

    Genealogies going back to King David are fanciful rather than factual.
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  133. @anon
    Rome chose its symbol to be the fasces, a bundle of rods. The meaning is: "Rods by themselves are easily broken, but when bound together are strong." Imagine an analogy to soldiers in formation. Various European states subsequently adopted this symbol, and you can see it behind the podium of the US House of Representatives.

    "The strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack."

    "Oy vey, that's collectivist Goy. Western Civ has always been individualistic. You should break up and fight us one at a time."

    Fascism and faggot share the same root.

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  134. Pinker’s a Steve-pal and a pretty good guy overall, it seems. Listen, as awesome as the Trumpening has been, he’s only a single hero, and more often than not heroes (in the classical, not the Disney, tellings) end up meeting a tragic fate. Against this lone Olympian we have lined up: the FBI, the CIA, the State Department, 50%+ of the Federal judiciary, 99% of JEFF-porters and jour-SLIM-ists, 20% of his own Republican Party, etc., etc.

    Pinker represents the old free speech, Enlightenment-values Jewish moderate center-left that is becoming increasingly alienated by the identity politics obscurantism and politically correct tantrums of CURRENT YEAR liberalism. This moderate, center-left tradition is probably Zuckerburg’s own preferred intellectual milieu, and it was certainly the tradition that inspired Google’s original, intellectually-free wheelin’ culture of respectful but rigorous, rational, and open debate.

    But we live in a time of weak men, and so the 2nd largest company in the world, built by two guys who are, at heart, a pair of overgrown gifted-program kids who wanted to create a bubble for other gifted-program kids to continue in their self-directed study/gifted-program ways, have all of a sudden been blindsided by how POZ’d their creation has become. The ‘Googley’ culture of weekly symposia by actual intellectual heavyweights, mandatory 20% time off to pursue personal projects, has been hijacked (inevitable, I guess, for a company that has had to go from cherry-picking among +4SD math and physics PhD’s to +0.9SD ‘Studies’ majors) by politically-activist mental midgets, and ‘if you can’t see how this manifesto on gender-fluidity among those self-identifying as magical creatures (aka “Fantastic Beasts: And Where to [email protected] Them”) which I worked my fingers to the bone writing over the last 8 weeks contributes to the company’s mission… well, I can’t even!’

    A lawsuit has just been filed by a Google employee against the company because it is supposedly a hotbed of white supremacism- meaning, the company is so POZ’d a large percentage of its workforce is now having Oberlin College-level delusions of persecution, and that this hysteria will only increase as it becomes increasingly apparent how unproductive these employees truly are, necessitating ever more shrill agitation in order to turn what is really an employee performance and attitude problem into a political cause that Google’s executives will shy away from ever addressing lest the CNN cameras roll on-campus.

    At some point this has to stop. At some point society become so unproductive the lights go off even for the guys with Atherton zip codes or whose panoramic views look down on the Space Needle. As much as I love Trump, I have a nagging suspicion that 10 years after he’s left office we’ll still be only halfway through litigating the environmental impact lawsuits over the first 1-mile segment of his wall. And who does that leave us with (in the pick your poison sense) if not the Zuckerburgs of the world? And who will be whispering sweet words of reason in their ears if not someone like Pinker? Obi-wan-Pinky, you are our last hope!

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  135. This finding far exceeds the three degrees of separation found among most Americans.

    This sort of moronic remark really calls into the question the whole notion that Jews are particularity intelligent. It’s as remarkable that a group of Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related than a random sample of the worlds population (which is what “most Americans” are these days) as that a sample group of Irish-Americans or Swedish-Americans are more closely related than are “most Americans”. But you’ll notice that the latter fact never gets mentioned, let alone celebrated as some sort of wondrous achievement.

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    Jews are a religion, not a race.
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  136. @Crawfurdmuir

    It would be vastly more dysgenic now; children with high mutational load then would often simply die. Decreased mortality means that more children with issues will survive to reproductive age.
     
    Not necessarily related to inbreeding, but your remark raises a question about which I've often wondered - does modern medicine's ability to preserve the lives of people with genetic maladies have a dysgenic effect?

    For example, before the development of insulin therapy, Type I diabetes almost always led to the sufferer's death before reaching marriageable age. Now diabetics routinely survive to adulthood, and many marry and raise children. Is there a measurable increase in the incidence of diabetes as a result?

    I’ve often thought that people must have died from, for example, peanut allergy. But now we notice it and avoid peanuts and treat the problem. Those folks have children and as a result there a lot more children with peanut allergies. Just one of many illnesses that people seem to have these days that they didn’t have 50 years ago.

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    I’ve often thought that people must have died from, for example, peanut allergy. But now we notice it and avoid peanuts and treat the problem. Those folks have children and as a result there a lot more children with peanut allergies. Just one of many illnesses that people seem to have these days that they didn’t have 50 years ago

    This happens with dog breeding too, as I understand it. As a result more dogs are born with hip dysplasia and the like.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Mr. Hume, the proclivity to have peanut allergies probably is genetic, of course. I am no doctor, but I play one on the internet. Isn't it true that most allergies are gotten by people who have not been exposed to enough small amounts of the particular substances in their childhood?

    I hear that those with squeaky clean houses have kids that get more allergies as they don't get exposed to enough dirt containing the allergens early on to let the body's antibodies get used to them. This will not be a problem in our house, I can guarantee you!

    It seems like kids need to eat more dirt, is all.

    #MOREDIRTFORKIDS
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  137. @AndrewR
    What's conservative about women running for office and giving political speeches?

    At least she's kind of attractive unlike Aunt Marine.

    What’s conservative about women running for office and giving political speeches?

    We live in an imperfect world. If women are going to run for office and give political speeches, my preference is for them to be like like Marion Maréchal-Le Pen

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  138. @Neoconned
    I was eating a bowl of pho at the only Vietnamese restaurant in town(they own half the gas stations too) and they had Fox News on THE DAY OF the shooting on the restaurant tv.

    Shep Smith was going on in his favorite lavender twang about how horrible it was etc

    Anyway I kept looking at the TV and they kept implying the psycho was a white dude....of course it came out later he was some Cubano nutter.... probably one of Castro's Muriel refuse that then had a mentally defective kid....

    Anyway what struck me about the school was how non white the school looked. Probably 80% of the ppl in the crowd or interviewees looked foreign but spoke English....

    Of course the white girls interviewed were the first ones to mention gun control and Trump by name while the minorities merely talked about the shooting and who the psycho Cuban was
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    The shooter wasn't Jewish but doesn't surprise me.

    I'm sure the white girls babbling about fun control we're Jewish sjw types
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  139. @Mr. Anon

    I’m sure the cop was thinking, likely a person of color as the shooter, better get donuts.
     
    I rather tend to think he was thinking, per the cliche in every cop buddy-movie: I'm too old for this s**t; I don't want to get killed when I'm eligible to retire.

    Brooks is toast and knows it. The White middle and working classes are destined for serfdom if lucky but he’ll be alongside them. Not much use for wealthy White Jews among the new overlords in MS 13 and ISIS and the New Black Panther Party.
     
    That is just ludicrous nonsense. But I knew that would be on offer when I saw the byline: Whiskey

    Why wouldn’t Brooks be toast? Think President Harris will have any use for him? Or DOJ head Keith Ellison?

    All the new leaders are Black or Hispanic. Not much love there for old Jews a Whiter shade of pale.

    How much Jewish influence in Khomeini s Iran or Nasser Egypt

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    Why wouldn’t Brooks be toast? Think President Harris will have any use for him? Or DOJ head Keith Ellison?

    All the new leaders are Black or Hispanic. Not much love there for old Jews a Whiter shade of pale.
     
    You may believe your own fevered rantings, but no one else hereabouts does. And anway, do you imagine that elected officials are really "leaders"? They are spokesmen and agents for those whom they really represent - the wealthy interests who own them.

    By the way - you still haven't answered my repeated question - what happened to the mass invasion of America by jihadists in zodiac boats that you were routinely predicting on this site about ten years ago?
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  140. @AndrewR
    What's conservative about women running for office and giving political speeches?

    At least she's kind of attractive unlike Aunt Marine.

    Marine Le Pen is one of the most beautiful women in France:

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  141. @Jack D
    Neither the cop nor the shooter was a Person of Color. School shooters tend to be white (occasionally Asian, rarely black). Black people prefer to do their shooting retail and not wholesale. Overall black carnage is far, far worse but it happens in 1's and 2's and not by the dozen so it doesn't get the same publicity.

    Despite his Hispanic name, Cruz was adopted and his genetic background is not clear, but he looks pretty Euro. He also looks strange - fetal alcohol syndrome?

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/78dc7cb6c80452579447b938fdeebeba76f676fc/c=37-0-1162-1500&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/2018/02/15/USATODAY/USATODAY/636542751600691091-nikolas-cruz-021518.jpg

    Agreed but imho the only explanation for cops running and hiding is fear of being tried. Cops are selected for aggression

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    Cops are selected for aggression
     
    You haven't been around many cops.

    There are roughly two types; the real deal and the wannabes.

    Clearly this guy is a wannabe who was given a cush job in a nice school.

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  142. @Anonym
    No question your response is more accurate, I was shooting for the funny and, a little insightful maybe. The people around that part of the earth are known for their clannishness. And supposedly the Palestinians are part of that Levantine group, right?

    I would have thought just by looking at a lot of Jews, they are closer to European than Arab or Levantine. Some Druze:

    998624_568947629833286_460357604_n.jpg

    More:

    http://www.aymennjawad.org/14038/the-druze-militias-of-southern-syria

    Looking at pictures of famous Jews, they seem more European if Southern European to me. Though some seem to be more generally European than others, like Zuck for example.

    That 65-70% stat is a good one to promote.

    I felt the same way about how the way North Euro Jews actually look v the Levantine/Italian estimate not matching up. The new estimates definitely feel more in accordance with actual appearance of Ashkenazi.

    A fun question is how much did the 1200 years Ashkenazi have been in Northern Europe lead to cold weather adaptations and blondism v intermarriage with the older population. New data on the proto Germans and Celts indicate that blond hair and cold weather adaptations spread extremely quickly after the arrival north, and the 1200 years would be plenty of time for the Jews to became cold hardy and blonder than their southern cousins even with very little old north euro intermarriage.

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    "1200 years Ashkenazi have been in Northern Europe"

    The vast majority of the Ashkenazi Jews were expelled from the
    Western European countries such as Spain, Britain, France,
    Italy, and the German states, often repeatedly, on charges of
    usury,etc A small number found themselves in Holland. By
    1550 about 90% of the Ashkenazis lived in the vast Polish-
    Lithuanian Commonwealth as subjects of the Polish king.
    There were very few Jews left in Western Europe.

    I always chuckle when I hear the expression "Russian Jews,"
    apparently implying that the millions of Jews who emigrated
    to the U.S. in the late 19th-early 20th century came here from
    places like Moscow, St. Petersburg, Saratov, Kirov or Omsk.
    No, they came from today's Lithuania, Belarus, Western Ukraine,
    Eastern Poland, and Central Poland, which happened to be part
    of the Russian Empire in the 19th century, but were not part of Russia
    proper. Russia BANNED the Jews from settling in its territory in
    the 16th century. So the so-called Russian Jews originated in the
    Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, later converted into the Pale
    of Settlement to which the Jews were confined by the tsars. A
    major goal of the Bolshevik Revolution was to eliminate the
    "imprisonment" of the Jews in the Pale of Settlement, although by
    1917 the Pale became rather porous. Thus for several centuries
    Ashkenazi Jews were banned from both Western Europe and Russia.
    A number of Israel's Prime Ministers originated in the Polish-Lithuanian
    Commonwealth, however, starting with Ben-Gurion (born north of Warsaw)
    and ending with Netanyahu (whose father was born in Warsaw, and his
    name before he changed it was Milejkowski).

    In my experience, most American Jews know little about their own
    history. Their thinking can be summarized as "Western Europe good -
    Eastern Europe bad." E.g., Einstein's parents were ready to disown
    him when they found out he wanted to marry a Slavic woman, Mileva
    Marić.
    , @Anon
    What is cold-weather adaptive about blond hair?
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  143. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    The general model they have is the Italian proto-Ashkenazi were about 30/70 South EU/Levantine, and the East and Western EU mixture came after the bottleneck of the migration to the Rhineland and from there East.
     
    I assume that is 70/30 and not the reverse but I still don't understand how you make the math come out either way after dilution?

    Anyway the alien Jewish ("Semitic") race is really 2/3 European so they are maybe not so alien after all. Maybe we are even "Old Stock"?

    The general model they have is the Italian proto-Ashkenazi were about 30/70 South EU/Levantine, and the East and Western EU mixture came after the bottleneck of the migration to the Rhineland and from there East.

    Despite what Lot himself said, the 30/70 proportions sound about right for PROTO-Ashkenazi if one assumes that current Ashkenazi are now down to about 30% Levantine heritage. The Levantine percentage would have gone down, and could hardly have increased while the group lived in Southern, Western and Eastern Europe.

    In other words, they could not have started out with 30 then and still be at 30 today.

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    Not true. Those less Levantine in appearance and behavior (less clannish and tribalistic) were pushed out into the host populations, increasing the Levantine admixture among those remaining.
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  144. @AndrewR
    What's conservative about women running for office and giving political speeches?

    At least she's kind of attractive unlike Aunt Marine.

    If Steve won’t ban you for your frequent and petty personal attacks on himself, insulting the appearance of Marine LePen I would hope is the line he cannot let anyone cross.

    The libtards say fight bad speech is more speech rather than censorship, so I will give that a try.

    AndrewR/Marine Le Pen

    Nobody/ International celebrity
    Nobody/ one of the saviors of the french race
    Likely incel/bore three lovely and functional children in first marriage, now in stable relationship with good-looking fellow nationalist

    Also what kind of homo-incel calls Marion Le Pen “kind of attractive?”

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    Given all the comments of mine he's refused to let through his Orwellian censorship firewall, and all the rude comments towards me that he has allowed through his censorship firewall, I've been rather kind towards Sailer. I would estimate a solid three hours of my life have been spent writing comments Sailer has refused to approve - none of which contained unlawful speech and very few of which even contained cuss words or slurs.

    I think it's funny you chose such an unflattering photo of her in order to make your case that I'm a "homo-incel" for not finding her drop-dead sexy. Different strokes for different folks, buddy. Personally she looks a bit too much like my middle school best friend for my tastes, but please feel free to lust after her.

    I also find it funny how you call me a homo when you're a grown man white-knighting for another grown man who has the power to censor all of my comments "at whim."

    , @International Jew
    That's unfair, either he's incel, or he's gay, but both together seems implausible.
    , @L Woods
    Once again, this comment section displays sublime levels of thirst
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  145. @Hhsiii
    Stephen Dubner does Freakanomics and is on NPR (WNYC in NY). Robert Siegel hosts All Things Considered. Or hosted. He retired in January. Looks like he announced a while ago, so perhaps not one step ahead of a #metoo mob. But more deadwood cast aside on national public radio. Lots more diverse hosts on the way.

    I remember an All Things Considered bit years ago (probably around 2006) where they did DNA tests and it turned out that Brooks and Siegel were distant cousins. Brooks then made a cheesy quip that included the line ‘All Shtetl Considered’.

    Same shit, different decade.

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  146. @International Jew

    Most Jews are not third cousins with each other in the family tree sense where you could point to a single pair of common ancestors 4 generations ago but they have the same degree of genetic overlap as actual 3rd cousins because of a larger number common ancestors further back in the tree.
     
    From what I understand of genetics (admittedly not much) 23andMe should be able to distinguish between actual 3rd cousins and the "virtual" kind. The way they determine relatedness is by looking at the length of shared strands of DNA. So though you may share the same amount of DNA with virtual 3rd cousins, as with actual ones, it'll have broken up into shorter strands.

    As a reductio ad absurdum, think about the animal kingdom as a whole; we all derive from a single organism some 2 billion years ago, but we're not all identical twins today!

    Correct on the science, but “you and Steven Pinker have a lot of common ancestors who lived 1,800 years ago” doesn’t make for snazzy PR.

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  147. @Lot
    If Steve won't ban you for your frequent and petty personal attacks on himself, insulting the appearance of Marine LePen I would hope is the line he cannot let anyone cross.

    The libtards say fight bad speech is more speech rather than censorship, so I will give that a try.

    AndrewR/Marine Le Pen

    Nobody/ International celebrity
    Nobody/ one of the saviors of the french race
    Likely incel/bore three lovely and functional children in first marriage, now in stable relationship with good-looking fellow nationalist

    Also what kind of homo-incel calls Marion Le Pen "kind of attractive?"

    http://welikeit.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/3895904.jpg

    Given all the comments of mine he’s refused to let through his Orwellian censorship firewall, and all the rude comments towards me that he has allowed through his censorship firewall, I’ve been rather kind towards Sailer. I would estimate a solid three hours of my life have been spent writing comments Sailer has refused to approve – none of which contained unlawful speech and very few of which even contained cuss words or slurs.

    I think it’s funny you chose such an unflattering photo of her in order to make your case that I’m a “homo-incel” for not finding her drop-dead sexy. Different strokes for different folks, buddy. Personally she looks a bit too much like my middle school best friend for my tastes, but please feel free to lust after her.

    I also find it funny how you call me a homo when you’re a grown man white-knighting for another grown man who has the power to censor all of my comments “at whim.”

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    I'm genuinely curious about these comments of yours Steve has not seen fit to publish. As a public service, could you give us a brief rundown of them? Ideally, classified by theme? For example

    USS Liberty 9
    Sex 7
    Blacks 3
    Personal attacks 2
    Doxing 1

    , @Anonym
    I would estimate a solid three hours of my life have been spent writing comments Sailer has refused to approve – none of which contained unlawful speech and very few of which even contained cuss words or slurs.

    (Dr Evil voice): 3... hours!

    Is that all? I am sure that over the course of my commenting history, my whimmed out by KOMMENT KONTROL comments took a lot more than a measly 3 hours to write (still a vanishingly small percentage of my total time, uh, "dedicated" to this site). Does it really matter? Most of the time I know when I'm skirting the edge. Often they just get delayed for a long time, as Steve either decides what to do with it or just maybe puts it on a delay setting so technically the comment passes but only the true iSteve diehards will ever read it, maybe.

    You can practically say anything on this site and get away with it with just a modicum of effort if you make it a bit elliptical or funny. I'm guessing that Svigor has man months of comments that have never seen the light of day. And he's still here.

    https://youtu.be/lWzLgWWu5wU

    Come on, we don't even call it KOMMENT KONTROL any more because the internet has drifted so far rightward and Steve and the Commentariat has also, along with it.
    , @J.Ross
    I know, it's awful how he comes to my house (white devils travel cross country for free, it's the James Earl Ray rule), walks right in (because bumping locks is almost statistics), places a hungry but calm rabbit right at my neck, then holds the golf club right over my soles, threatening to strike (and thus agitate the rabbit), unless I comment on his blog on Unz's site that I had nothing to do with creating and maintaining.
    He can't keep getting away with it.
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  148. @Tiny Duck
    I have to ask: If you are a conservative, what are you trying to conserve?

    The push to restrict immigration suggests we are trying to conserve jobs for only Americans - that is the zero-sum part - and conserve America as a white nation. That isn't conserving much of anything.

    But we are not trying to conserve religious freedom - we are fighting a war over whose religious ideals should be fostered by the government.

    We aren't trying to conserve the great ideas that advanced us - from labor protections and anti-monopoly actions of the early 1900s to safety nets like Social Security.

    We aren't trying to conserve the middle class - our tax cuts move wealth up the ladder.

    We aren't trying to conserve our infrastructure - that is just advanced as a way to use foreign money to skin Americans; or our natural resources - we are busily trying to assure that we can dig anything from anywhere no matter how much the social and environmental cost may run.

    Is it our democratic ideals? The ones we sold when we decided to stop a sitting President from filling a Supreme Court seat, or the ones we undermine when we choose to make voting harder. or the ones we let go to waste as we continue to elect people who cannot compromise, and cannot represent the nation as a whole?

    A cut and paste job by TD, who won’t understand the arguments pro and con.

    I suppose he could get a few props for finding something that is a little bit interesting, though not all that apropos to the thread.

    The short answer to all this is that things come to an end, and one should angle to be on top when the machinery grinds to a stop.

    When immigration ends, it helps immensely if your group has the numbers.

    When democracy ends, it helps immensely if your group is in control.

    Etc.

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  149. Why would Jews be heavy users of 23 and Me, other than they are the kind of people with disposable income to spend on things like this?

    Because Jews are profoundly more interested in their ethnic-genetic background than other people are. G**gle provides some clues into this:

    Ratio of g**gle hits to population:

    Jews 83 to 15000 1:180
    Muslims 10 to 18000000 1:1,800,000
    Christians 26 to 22000000 1:846,153
    Arabs 13 to 3840000 1:295,384
    Whites 390 to 7500000 1:19,230
    Europeans 1350 to 9000000 1:1,350
    Germans 610 to 820000 1:1,344
    Irish 51 to 47000 1:921
    English 770 to 664000 1:862
    Scottish 20 to 52000 1:2,600
    Australian 154 to 250000 1:1,623
    Canadian 240 to 330000 1:1,375

    Keep in mind, this is using low estimates for specific ethnic European populations, so the gap is drastically under-estimated in those cases.

    Sources:

    G**gle search results:

    “Jewish genetics” 83k
    “Muslim genetics” 0.9k
    “Christian genetics” 2.6k
    “Arab genetics” 1.3k
    “White genetics” 39k
    “European genetics” 135k
    “German genetics” 61k
    “Irish genetics” 5.1k
    “English genetics” 77k
    “Scottish genetics” 2k
    “Australian genetics” 15.4k
    “Canadian genetics” 24k

    Total population worldwide:
    Jews 15m
    Muslims 1800m
    Christians 2200m
    Arabs 384m
    Whites n/a (900m?)
    European n/a (741m in Europe)
    German n/a (82m in Germany)
    Irish n/a (4.7m in Ireland)
    English n/a (66.4m in England)
    Scottish n/a (5.2m in Scotland)
    Australian n/a (25m in Australia)
    Canadian n/a (33m in Canada)

    Sorry for any source or math errors on my part; this is not paid work.

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  150. @Whiskey
    Agreed but imho the only explanation for cops running and hiding is fear of being tried. Cops are selected for aggression

    Cops are selected for aggression

    You haven’t been around many cops.

    There are roughly two types; the real deal and the wannabes.

    Clearly this guy is a wannabe who was given a cush job in a nice school.

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  151. With the advent of Trump, the Republicans are actually beginning to act like a real party, if only a little, and not just a fund raising / lobbying front group disguised as a political party.

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  152. Great Quote:

    “France is in the process of passing from the eldest daughter of the Catholic Church to the little niece of Islam

    Marion Maréchal Le Pen

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    Wouldn't Italy qualify? Or is that the "eldest son"? Regardless, France purged the church from public life at the same time as the revolution, if I'm not mistaken. Meanwhile, Italy/Spain/Ireland haven't really ever separated church and state, as far as I'm aware.
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  153. @Lot
    If Steve won't ban you for your frequent and petty personal attacks on himself, insulting the appearance of Marine LePen I would hope is the line he cannot let anyone cross.

    The libtards say fight bad speech is more speech rather than censorship, so I will give that a try.

    AndrewR/Marine Le Pen

    Nobody/ International celebrity
    Nobody/ one of the saviors of the french race
    Likely incel/bore three lovely and functional children in first marriage, now in stable relationship with good-looking fellow nationalist

    Also what kind of homo-incel calls Marion Le Pen "kind of attractive?"

    http://welikeit.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/3895904.jpg

    That’s unfair, either he’s incel, or he’s gay, but both together seems implausible.

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    Indeed. Being incel is much, much more difficult for gay men than straight men. Probably a couple orders of magnitude more difficult.
    , @Bill
    Sometimes I wonder how many people are gay because incel.
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  154. @International Jew
    That's unfair, either he's incel, or he's gay, but both together seems implausible.

    Indeed. Being incel is much, much more difficult for gay men than straight men. Probably a couple orders of magnitude more difficult.

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  155. @Bartolo
    They are not "The Tribe". They are "The Family".

    An intellectual and political Mafia, preaching the water of universalism while they drink the wine of ethnocentrism.

    By the way wouldn´t this be evidence that being closely related strongly enhances group solidarity?

    No. Clannishness in the absence of outsiders results in members turning against each other (see the Old Testament for details).

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  156. @AndrewR
    Given all the comments of mine he's refused to let through his Orwellian censorship firewall, and all the rude comments towards me that he has allowed through his censorship firewall, I've been rather kind towards Sailer. I would estimate a solid three hours of my life have been spent writing comments Sailer has refused to approve - none of which contained unlawful speech and very few of which even contained cuss words or slurs.

    I think it's funny you chose such an unflattering photo of her in order to make your case that I'm a "homo-incel" for not finding her drop-dead sexy. Different strokes for different folks, buddy. Personally she looks a bit too much like my middle school best friend for my tastes, but please feel free to lust after her.

    I also find it funny how you call me a homo when you're a grown man white-knighting for another grown man who has the power to censor all of my comments "at whim."

    I’m genuinely curious about these comments of yours Steve has not seen fit to publish. As a public service, could you give us a brief rundown of them? Ideally, classified by theme? For example

    USS Liberty 9
    Sex 7
    Blacks 3
    Personal attacks 2
    Doxing 1

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    There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason. Many have been completely benign and unoffensive.
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  157. @Anon7
    When you're an MOT*, it's kind of disingenuous to accuse everyone one else of tribalism. Isn't it?

    Is Brooks a bit disappointed and maybe concerned that if everyone else starts thinking only about their own tribe, that they might have started on the road to wisdom that Jews trod so many generations ago?

    (* Member Of the Tribe, i.e., Jewish - yes it's a real acronym used by, uh, members of The Tribe. I mostly remember Jews referred to as The Tribe in the Sixties but I think it's still used.)

    Anon7, I had never heard that term, MOT, until two sports talk hosts mentioned it. So now is tribal anti Semetic or maybe anti Whoo Whoo Indian? I can’t keep up.

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  158. @syonredux
    Great Quote:


    "France is in the process of passing from the eldest daughter of the Catholic Church to the little niece of Islam"

    Marion Maréchal Le Pen

    Wouldn’t Italy qualify? Or is that the “eldest son”? Regardless, France purged the church from public life at the same time as the revolution, if I’m not mistaken. Meanwhile, Italy/Spain/Ireland haven’t really ever separated church and state, as far as I’m aware.

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    Wouldn’t Italy qualify? Or is that the “eldest son”?

     

    Italy is the mother.

    Regardless, France purged the church from public life at the same time as the revolution, if I’m not mistaken.
     
    Which is not the same thing as replacing the Catholic Church with Islam......
    , @Hibernian
    The Republic of Ireland was proclaimed in the name of the Trinity, but with no specific mention of the Catholic Church. They've become very secular in recent years.
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  159. @D. K.
    I remember June 9, 1967. I was pissed off, that Friday evening, because ABC had preempted "The Time Tunnel" because of the ongoing news coverage of the Six-Day War!

    I hope you two have access to some website with old TV schedules. Otherwise, this is a seriously disturbing conversation.

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    You can look up old television schedules, and IMDb will tell you when original episodes first aired, but I did not have to check; I literally remember that Friday evening, back in Gary, and I was genuinely pissed off that "The Time Tunnel" was preempted on ABC by coverage of the Six-Day War-- even though the episode was, indeed, a scheduled rerun from the previous autumn.
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  160. @Whiskey
    Meanwhile in the Florida shooting ... the cop on the scene AT THE SCHOOL ran and hid. A cop getting donuts essentially ala Steve on the Late Obama Age Collapse. I'm sure the cop was thinking, likely a person of color as the shooter, better get donuts.

    He's retired on full pension. But he is not being prosecuted for shooting a kid of color. The other cops responding milled about outside the school no doubt thinking the same thing.

    But hey, trust the government to protect you, turn in your guns to the Children's Crusade!

    And the chatterati wonder why people are bitterly clinging to their guns and religion. Tribally.

    Brooks is toast and knows it. The White middle and working classes are destined for serfdom if lucky but he'll be alongside them. Not much use for wealthy White Jews among the new overlords in MS 13 and ISIS and the New Black Panther Party. Who knew the Colors of Benetton were really a Rodney King Riot?

    As I have ignored the week-long (so far) infotainment*, I just had heard about this cowardly cop about 1 hour before reading your post, Whiskey, from a friend. This should be a lesson to those (few) anti-libertarians on unz who have too much respect for our cop “heroes”. This is more typical cop behavior. “We all want to get home at night, hell with the kids!Peak Stupidity’s take on this.

    I’ve seen plenty of good cops, but not many would really be heroes, when it comes down to it.

    I do agree with Jack D’s reply, however, in that I also don’t think this was more fallout from Ferguson, MO, Baltimore, etc. It’s just the way cops are going to be. This type of thing, the complete lack of respect for the Constitution on the part of most cops, and the story we’re getting (that’s Jason Kessler on VDare) of the continuing legal anarcho-tyranny seen in Charlottesville, Virginia, show that we are indeed on our own.

    .
    .

    * Hey, that’s not trying to make light of 17 people killed and more injured. I just got the gist of it by the next day, and don’t want to watch TV just to catch the multi-week long pissing-and-moaning “search for answers” about it.

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    * Hey, that’s not trying to make light of 17 people killed and more injured. I just got the gist of it by the next day, and don’t want to watch TV just to catch the multi-week long pissing-and-moaning “search for answers” about it.
     
    I'm with you there Achmed.

    For these kids' families, this a tragedy of incredible proportions. I can't think of anything worse than losing your child in the prime of their young life. But for the nation ...

    I go to this well perhaps too much, this these weep fests hammer home how pathetically feminized we've become as a nation. Is there any intellectual content here at all? Anything actually newsworthy here other than "another school shooting"?

    Are we going to do any of the few things we could do that would help:
    -- Several armed teachers/staff in each school.
    -- Vouchers, private schools, which could kick out troublemakers and have student bodies of kids who (more or less) want to be there. (Fewer warehoused kids with a chip on the shoulder about having to go to school and be bullied, be unpopular, etc.)
    -- More vigorous and vocational stuff for boys to do in school.
    -- Not naming or showing these scumbags.
    -- Dripping boiling oil on any captured shooter, followed by drawing and quartering.
    -- Immigration moratorium, followed by working to restore idea of membership in a nation and sense of community.
    -- Eugenics--working to minimize the creation of this sort of garbage.

    Going to do any of that--no, no, no, no, no, no and no. Nope, just have a giant whiny feelings fest.

    Those families who've lost their children--they have my sympathies. I hope they can find whatever solace they can find in friends, family, religious belief. Bad stuff happens. But there's nothing here to chew on.
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  161. @istevefan

    1965–or ’60, pick a date–was indeed a high point. There was an “American people” as you note. And there was nothing preventing American Jews from melding with that if they wanted to.
     
    You will note the great conservative of 1964 was Barry Goldwater, a product of such melding.

    Brown v Board of Education was in 1954 (No Jews on the Supreme Court) and the New York Times (shortly followed by the rest of the media) stopped reporting the race of criminals in 1946.

    So I’d say the Jews melded perfectly into the mainstream culture. It just happened to be ‘screw over poor white people’ which is part of the reason they melded so well.

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    Brown v Board of Education was in 1954 (No Jews on the Supreme Court)
     
    Felix Frankfurter would beg to differ. He served from January 30, 1939 to August 28, 1962.
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  162. @a reader

    This dumb because of course a group of people who stem from the same part of the world is going to be more closely related than randomly selected Americans who are from all over the planet.
     
    Behar was born in Havana, Cuba in 1956 to a Jewish-Cuban family of Sephardic Turkish, and Ashkenazi Polish and Russian ancestry.

    Ruth Behar

    His father is of Scottish descent, and his mother is Jewish (his maternal grandfather was born in Israel and his maternal grandmother was from Minsk, Belarus).

    Joshua Bell

    Three of her four grandparents emigrated from Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary.

    Mayim Bialik

    Her father was descended from immigrants to New Spain from Spain in the 1500s - Her mother was of English and Irish ancestry.

    Linda Chavez

    His grandparents emigrated to Canada from Poland and Romania in 1926.

    Steven Pinker

    His maternal grandfather claimed to descend from rabbinical scholar Mordechai Yoffe.

    Yoffe was born in Prague, Czech Republic; he could count amongst his ancestors Rashi and before him Hillel, Elnathan (governor of Judea) and ultimately back to King David.

    Robert Siegel

    Her parents were Russian Jewish immigrants who came to New York City in the 1930s.

    Esther Wojcicki

    That same part of the world is rather wide.

    4 and a half (out of 7) are from the Pale of Settlement or Austria-Hungry.

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  163. @International Jew
    That's unfair, either he's incel, or he's gay, but both together seems implausible.

    Sometimes I wonder how many people are gay because incel.

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  165. @Lot
    The estimated ancient ancestry of Ashkenazi has become more precise since the old initial 50/50 Levantine/Italian estimates. Here is a 2017 analysis using huge gene databases:

    One estimate method:

    --The inferred ancestry profile for AJ was 5% Western EU, 10% Eastern EU, 30% Levant, and 55% Southern EU. --

    Levantine here is not "Arabs" or even Levantine Arabs, but the ancient Leavtine population which is better represented by modern Druze, Samaritans, and Lebanese Christians, and more distantly Syrian and Egyptian Christians (Copts and Assyrians).

    Using a couple more methods, they have the European share as 63% and 67%.

    The general model they have is the Italian proto-Ashkenazi were about 30/70 South EU/Levantine, and the East and Western EU mixture came after the bottleneck of the migration to the Rhineland and from there East.

    I was informed that Ashkenazi Judaism began in the Rhineland region. And from there spread to the east and north. Is that not true?

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  166. @Robert Hume
    I’ve often thought that people must have died from, for example, peanut allergy. But now we notice it and avoid peanuts and treat the problem. Those folks have children and as a result there a lot more children with peanut allergies. Just one of many illnesses that people seem to have these days that they didn’t have 50 years ago.

    I’ve often thought that people must have died from, for example, peanut allergy. But now we notice it and avoid peanuts and treat the problem. Those folks have children and as a result there a lot more children with peanut allergies. Just one of many illnesses that people seem to have these days that they didn’t have 50 years ago

    This happens with dog breeding too, as I understand it. As a result more dogs are born with hip dysplasia and the like.

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  167. As far as I know, MOT is slang that Jews use with each other and are okay with other people using. I’m sure I heard the expression “member of the Tribe” on the Johnny Carson show in the Sixties. It’s an acronym like JAP (Jewish American Princess). Although MOT is usually spelled out, and is less common, JAP is used as a word, and accepts other modifiers, like “jappy”, which I’ve heard used to describe women that really exemplify the JAP stereotype, and believe me, it’s descriptive.

    In looking through Urban Dictionary, I now find that “jappy” has come into the black lexicon to mean “cool” because one of the reasons girls tolerate the word JAP is because what girl doesn’t want to be recognized as a princess? Yes, I’m talking to you, my fine Nubian princess! (Look up “Wrath of Farrakhan” on Youtube for the canonical use of that term.) So maybe MOT migrated into Amerindian usage in a similar way.

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  168. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @D. K.
    This is the first time that I heard that Linda Chavez, of whom I have been aware for a few decades, is Jewish!?!

    Based upon the Wiki reading, whatever Jewish blood Chavez had dates back over five centuries. A rather slender thread for Brooks to hang on to. Furthermore, I have read accounts that 23andMe’s results are of dubious accuracy. I’ve heard that if you want a REAL genetic test, you need to avail yourself of the services of either a world-class research university i.e. Harvard, Stanford, “OxBridge” or something like the Max Planck Institute. Though only hearsay, I’ve been told the test ain’t cheap either.

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    Based upon the Wiki reading, whatever Jewish blood Chavez had dates back over five centuries.
     
    It dates back forever, and flows into the present, like all other "blood" as the term is used in this context.

    Yes, she's Jewish. She has Jewish ancestry, and now she overtly identifies as Jewish. Some of us figured it out before she did.

    Having said that, I will give you credit for demeaning the reliability of 23andme.

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  169. @Crawfurdmuir

    Nothing wrong with first and second cousin marriages if the genotype is healthy. Some of my own relations even married their nieces – it was a question of keeping the money in the family.
     
    Breeders of purebred livestock pay considerable attention to their animals' pedigrees. The mating of cousin with cousin or of uncle with niece, called "line-breeding," is often deliberately used to propagate desirable traits. There's no reason it shouldn't work as well with humans as it does with horses or dogs, provided, as you say, that the genotype is healthy.

    Breeders of purebred livestock pay considerable attention to their animals’ pedigrees. The mating of cousin with cousin or of uncle with niece, called “line-breeding,” is often deliberately used to propagate desirable traits. There’s no reason it shouldn’t work as well with humans as it does with horses or dogs, provided, as you say, that the genotype is healthy.

    Breeders often slaughter descendants with unwanted characteristics or genetic ailments with ruthless impunity(such a process created the German Shepherd dog). I can’t think of any human society, even Spartans, that practiced infanticide on a comparable level.

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    Breeders often slaughter descendants with unwanted characteristics or genetic ailments with ruthless impunity(such a process created the German Shepherd dog). I can’t think of any human society, even Spartans, that practiced infanticide on a comparable level.
     
    The ancient Carthaginians appear to have been enthusiastic practitioners of infant sacrifice, though it is questionable whether the intent was eugenic:

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/21/carthaginians-sacrificed-own-children-study

    Horses were infrequently culled - more often they were just gelded, which allowed their use as beasts of burden while excluding them from the gene pool.

    A similar practice appears to explain the absence of a large negro population in Turkey and the Arab countries, despite the continuance of African slavery in those countries into the twentieth century. They made eunuchs out of the males, and saw no reason to encourage the breeding of a domestic slave population as long as more slaves could be imported as needed from Arab slavers in Zanzibar.

    By contrast, there was no custom of castrating male negroes in colonial or antebellum North America; indeed, after 1808, the only way the slave population could grow was domestically. It was in the interest of American slaveowners to encourage their slaves to reproduce; a piccaninny was an asset to them in the same way as a calf or a foal. This led to the emergence of a domestic American black population that had no parallel in the Ottoman empire.
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  170. @Jack D
    Neither the cop nor the shooter was a Person of Color. School shooters tend to be white (occasionally Asian, rarely black). Black people prefer to do their shooting retail and not wholesale. Overall black carnage is far, far worse but it happens in 1's and 2's and not by the dozen so it doesn't get the same publicity.

    Despite his Hispanic name, Cruz was adopted and his genetic background is not clear, but he looks pretty Euro. He also looks strange - fetal alcohol syndrome?

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/78dc7cb6c80452579447b938fdeebeba76f676fc/c=37-0-1162-1500&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/2018/02/15/USATODAY/USATODAY/636542751600691091-nikolas-cruz-021518.jpg

    Jack, I agree with your specific point that Cruz was probably not the type that would keep a cop restrained via Steve’s “Ferguson effect”.

    Black people prefer to do their shooting retail and not wholesale.

    However, as far as non-white shootings, you may want to read Ann Coulter from just today. The article is on VDare via syndication or what-have-you, but Miss Coulter is basically channeling many years of VDare writing there.

    These involve killings of 4 or more. You may be correct in the specific case of elementary/middle/high schools though.

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  171. This is a dominant pattern of history: loudly denounce the tribalism of others, but hide and strengthen your own tribalism. “Tribalism for me, but not for thee”.

    The typical progressive, in which I include David Brooks, denounces tribalism by race, but often hides their own racial tribalism, and is fiercely tribal by political affiliation. And I see a cultural tribe and caste system centered on the higher education system.

    This crowd is openly racially tribal, but most would feel a natural tribal affiliation with non-white conservatives and a hostility towards white liberals. For example, this crowd would feel tribal allegiance towards black conservatives like Thomas Sowell or Ben Carson and tribal animosity towards white liberals like Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton.

    In speaking on the typical tribal hypocrisy, Tyler Cowen wrote in defense of Chinese racism:

    Indeed, nationalistic currents in China are strong. Whether we like it or not, the Han Chinese often see themselves as an ethnically special group of people who have a destiny to “make China great again.”

    Before judging this too harshly, keep in mind that truly cosmopolitan attitudes are not common in history, and a lot of observed cosmopolitanism is often faux cosmopolitanism, serving as a veil for particular cultural or economic interests on trade or immigration.

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  172. @Crawfurdmuir

    It would be vastly more dysgenic now; children with high mutational load then would often simply die. Decreased mortality means that more children with issues will survive to reproductive age.
     
    Not necessarily related to inbreeding, but your remark raises a question about which I've often wondered - does modern medicine's ability to preserve the lives of people with genetic maladies have a dysgenic effect?

    For example, before the development of insulin therapy, Type I diabetes almost always led to the sufferer's death before reaching marriageable age. Now diabetics routinely survive to adulthood, and many marry and raise children. Is there a measurable increase in the incidence of diabetes as a result?

    According to this paper, mutational load is indeed increasing and I find the idea to be probable.

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs40806-017-0133-5

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    According to this paper, mutational load is indeed increasing and I find the idea to be probable.
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs40806-017-0133-5
     
    Probable? It's certain. (Unless there's some biology i'm unaware of.)

    Medicine is saving the lives of a bunch of people who in an early age would have been swept away by disease and not reproduced. Their mutations are building up in the gene pool. Obviously at a certain point you get mutational load which does result in people dying or being so inept as to be unmarriagable and failing to reproduce. But in our world of modern medicine and the welfare state that level is a heck of a lot higher. And then this effect is turbo-charged by social changes where people with fairly small mutational load--all cylinders pretty much firing--nonetheless fail to reproduce, or under-reproduce relative to the general population. Which is happening much more often now than in the past.

    I'm all for modern medicine--and a welfare state of some sort. But in a sane society that should be accompanied by some sort eugenic program where if you are incompetent and on public support--you don't reproduce; if you require serious medical intervention for some disease because of a genetic failure, you either don't reproduce or do so only with genetic screening.

    Modern medicine is inherently going to raise mutational load, but we can do better than just lie back and take it.
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  173. @a reader

    This dumb because of course a group of people who stem from the same part of the world is going to be more closely related than randomly selected Americans who are from all over the planet.
     
    Behar was born in Havana, Cuba in 1956 to a Jewish-Cuban family of Sephardic Turkish, and Ashkenazi Polish and Russian ancestry.

    Ruth Behar

    His father is of Scottish descent, and his mother is Jewish (his maternal grandfather was born in Israel and his maternal grandmother was from Minsk, Belarus).

    Joshua Bell

    Three of her four grandparents emigrated from Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary.

    Mayim Bialik

    Her father was descended from immigrants to New Spain from Spain in the 1500s - Her mother was of English and Irish ancestry.

    Linda Chavez

    His grandparents emigrated to Canada from Poland and Romania in 1926.

    Steven Pinker

    His maternal grandfather claimed to descend from rabbinical scholar Mordechai Yoffe.

    Yoffe was born in Prague, Czech Republic; he could count amongst his ancestors Rashi and before him Hillel, Elnathan (governor of Judea) and ultimately back to King David.

    Robert Siegel

    Her parents were Russian Jewish immigrants who came to New York City in the 1930s.

    Esther Wojcicki

    That same part of the world is rather wide.

    There are Juffe’s in my family tree. All the variant spellings ( Iofe, Joffe, Jaffa, Yafa, Yapha, Yoffe, Yoffie, etc.) stem from the same Hebrew word yafe’ meaning beautiful or pleasant. So maybe we are related too.

    But the name is descriptive and people with that name are not necessarily related to each other. Jews didn’t have surnames until as late as the 19th century but they often had nicknames because the pool of given names was pretty small – even in a little shtetl you might have a number of Moshe’s , Isaac’s, Abraham’s, Rivka’s (Rebecca’s) etc. So you might say I was talking to the little (Klein) Moshe or the big (Gross) Moshe, etc. so you could tell them apart and sometimes these names later stuck as surnames, especially if they were flattering or at least not insulting which many of the nicknames were – they were often no holds barred based on the most salient characteristic good or bad – you might have the blind Isaac or the lame Sarah, etc.).

    Genealogies going back to King David are fanciful rather than factual.

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  174. @International Jew
    I'm genuinely curious about these comments of yours Steve has not seen fit to publish. As a public service, could you give us a brief rundown of them? Ideally, classified by theme? For example

    USS Liberty 9
    Sex 7
    Blacks 3
    Personal attacks 2
    Doxing 1

    There doesn’t seem to be any rhyme or reason. Many have been completely benign and unoffensive.

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  175. @Mr. Anon
    I thought it was an Afghan saying.

    I thought it was an Afghan saying.

    It probably is… as well. Googling it will reveal multiple variants, attributed to multiple nations/peoples. Evidently that phrase has been around a long, long time. The people from the Fertile Crescent have been that way for a long, long time. Consider that the Torah was written at least 2600 years ago, and the oral traditions went on before that. The Jews of course were just one tribe of a tribal area.

    I also like the variant with “the world” replaced with “the stranger”. It reminds me of what it would be like to be a stranger chanced upon by a group of Thuggees. Many Thuggees were Muslim, this should not surprise us. Per wikipedia, Mark Twain wrote of them:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee#

    There is one very striking thing which I wish to call attention to. You have surmised from the listed callings followed by the victims of the Thugs that nobody could travel the Indian roads unprotected and live to get through; that the Thugs respected no quality, no vocation, no religion, nobody; that they killed every unarmed man that came in their way. That is wholly true — with one reservation. In all the long file of Thug confessions an English traveler is mentioned but once—and this is what the Thug says of the circumstance:

    “He was on his way from Mhow to Bombay. We studiously avoided him. He proceeded next morning with a number of travellers who had sought his protection, and they took the road to Baroda.”

    We do not know who he was; he flits across the page of this rusty old book and disappears in the obscurity beyond; but he is an impressive figure, moving through that valley of death serene and unafraid, clothed in the might of the English name.

    We have now followed the big official book through, and we understand what Thuggee was, what a bloody terror it was, what a desolating scourge it was. In 1830 the English found this cancerous organisation embedded in the vitals of the empire, doing its devastating work in secrecy, and assisted, protected, sheltered, and hidden by innumerable confederates —big and little native chiefs, customs officers, village officials, and native police, all ready to lie for it, and the mass of the people, through fear, persistently pretending to know nothing about its doings; and this condition of things had existed for generations, and was formidable with the sanctions of age and old custom. If ever there was an unpromising task, if ever there was a hopeless task in the world, surely it was offered here—the task of conquering Thuggee. But that little handful of English officials in India set their sturdy and confident grip upon it, and ripped it out, root and branch!…

    If only we had a few such English politicians and civil servants, they would make short work of the Pakis in Britain!

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  176. OT again, 700 more “grooming” victims in Northumbria police area, a generally rural place with two major cities, Newcastle and Sunderland.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-43153556

    “David Spicer led a review in the wake of Operation Sanctuary which saw 18 people jailed for the sexual abuse of young women groomed in Newcastle.

    He said exploitation was not being recognised in adults.

    The operation identified about 700 victims in total across the Northumbria Police area, 108 in Newcastle.

    The government said it would “look carefully” at Mr Spicer’s 33 recommendations, which also included a need for research into the cultural background of abusers, many of whom in the case of Sanctuary were from a “predominantly Asian or British Minority Ethnic culture or background”.”

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  177. @The Alarmist
    Stephen who?

    re Susan Wojcicki, spot the joke in this clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkfpV0_rVv4

    This is like a meta joke? It’s saying “We all know that women aren’t funny and that you have to pretend they are, but, with me, at least you can look at my tits.”

    I admit boredom kept me from getting through the whole, interminable ten minutes of it. Is it easier if you’re drunk?

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    Yeah, it is a meta-joke to some extent, but if you stop focusing on the tits, you would see that the almost empty tip-jar is labelled for "Susan Wojcicki" and Miss Blush makes a cryptic reference to bartenders who have miserable lives getting fewer tips, which is a dig at Susan Wojcicki for pushing through de-monitizing of videos like hers.

    I enjoy Miss Blush's videos, perhaps too much, because her outrageous French-Canadian accent and mannerisms remind me of my High School French teacher, who was French-Canadian and whose Quebecois teaching of French got me laughed at too often during the year I lived in Paris.

    Doesn't hurt that she is easy on the eyes, but drinking a good scotch while watching makes one more receptive to spotting the subtle humour buried in the larger meta-joke. This woman is not dumb.

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  178. @Achmed E. Newman
    Jack, I agree with your specific point that Cruz was probably not the type that would keep a cop restrained via Steve's "Ferguson effect".

    Black people prefer to do their shooting retail and not wholesale.
     
    However, as far as non-white shootings, you may want to read Ann Coulter from just today. The article is on VDare via syndication or what-have-you, but Miss Coulter is basically channeling many years of VDare writing there.

    These involve killings of 4 or more. You may be correct in the specific case of elementary/middle/high schools though.

    Oops, here’s the link to Miss Coulter’s column.

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  179. @Daniel Chieh
    According to this paper, mutational load is indeed increasing and I find the idea to be probable.

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs40806-017-0133-5

    According to this paper, mutational load is indeed increasing and I find the idea to be probable.

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs40806-017-0133-5

    Probable? It’s certain. (Unless there’s some biology i’m unaware of.)

    Medicine is saving the lives of a bunch of people who in an early age would have been swept away by disease and not reproduced. Their mutations are building up in the gene pool. Obviously at a certain point you get mutational load which does result in people dying or being so inept as to be unmarriagable and failing to reproduce. But in our world of modern medicine and the welfare state that level is a heck of a lot higher. And then this effect is turbo-charged by social changes where people with fairly small mutational load–all cylinders pretty much firing–nonetheless fail to reproduce, or under-reproduce relative to the general population. Which is happening much more often now than in the past.

    I’m all for modern medicine–and a welfare state of some sort. But in a sane society that should be accompanied by some sort eugenic program where if you are incompetent and on public support–you don’t reproduce; if you require serious medical intervention for some disease because of a genetic failure, you either don’t reproduce or do so only with genetic screening.

    Modern medicine is inherently going to raise mutational load, but we can do better than just lie back and take it.

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    I’m all for modern medicine–and a welfare state of some sort. But in a sane society that should be accompanied by some sort eugenic program where if you are incompetent and on public support–you don’t reproduce;
     
    This is one of the VERY few times I've disagreed with you, A.D. That just can't work. You'd have to have a Police State apparatus and bureaucracy even bigger than America has now to enforce this kind of thing, and the increasing-in-numbers welfare cases that are "due for eugenics" will vote out the rules or forcibly change the rules. "Wait, they're WON'T BE increasing in number!", you say. How can you get to that state though, A.D.? It's way too late, as the welfare users outnumber the financial supporters already, depending on how you define welfare.

    Better were the old days, before the welfare state, in which real charity took care of many people in many ways: some financial support, food, schooling, taking care of orphans, etc. People that have their own money involved, with CONTROL over it, will make sure only the deserving get a hand-out or hand-up. Otherwise, it's "I'm done with this." Who would keep giving any support to a single Mom that had another kid - that would make her not let that happen. Responsibility only occurs when people are held responsible.

    I will bring up my Penguin example one more time, just because I can never get enough of this one!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqkowVU5mZI

    Actually, I'm not sure it really illustrates my point, but ....
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  180. @Crawfurdmuir

    It would be vastly more dysgenic now; children with high mutational load then would often simply die. Decreased mortality means that more children with issues will survive to reproductive age.
     
    Not necessarily related to inbreeding, but your remark raises a question about which I've often wondered - does modern medicine's ability to preserve the lives of people with genetic maladies have a dysgenic effect?

    For example, before the development of insulin therapy, Type I diabetes almost always led to the sufferer's death before reaching marriageable age. Now diabetics routinely survive to adulthood, and many marry and raise children. Is there a measurable increase in the incidence of diabetes as a result?

    OTOH, people with big heads kill their mothers in child birth a lot less. Big head goes with smart, so this is arguably not a defect/malady.

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  181. @Robert Hume
    I’ve often thought that people must have died from, for example, peanut allergy. But now we notice it and avoid peanuts and treat the problem. Those folks have children and as a result there a lot more children with peanut allergies. Just one of many illnesses that people seem to have these days that they didn’t have 50 years ago.

    Mr. Hume, the proclivity to have peanut allergies probably is genetic, of course. I am no doctor, but I play one on the internet. Isn’t it true that most allergies are gotten by people who have not been exposed to enough small amounts of the particular substances in their childhood?

    I hear that those with squeaky clean houses have kids that get more allergies as they don’t get exposed to enough dirt containing the allergens early on to let the body’s antibodies get used to them. This will not be a problem in our house, I can guarantee you!

    It seems like kids need to eat more dirt, is all.

    #MOREDIRTFORKIDS

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  182. @Daniel Chieh

    Breeders of purebred livestock pay considerable attention to their animals’ pedigrees. The mating of cousin with cousin or of uncle with niece, called “line-breeding,” is often deliberately used to propagate desirable traits. There’s no reason it shouldn’t work as well with humans as it does with horses or dogs, provided, as you say, that the genotype is healthy.
     
    Breeders often slaughter descendants with unwanted characteristics or genetic ailments with ruthless impunity(such a process created the German Shepherd dog). I can't think of any human society, even Spartans, that practiced infanticide on a comparable level.

    Breeders often slaughter descendants with unwanted characteristics or genetic ailments with ruthless impunity(such a process created the German Shepherd dog). I can’t think of any human society, even Spartans, that practiced infanticide on a comparable level.

    The ancient Carthaginians appear to have been enthusiastic practitioners of infant sacrifice, though it is questionable whether the intent was eugenic:

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/21/carthaginians-sacrificed-own-children-study

    Horses were infrequently culled – more often they were just gelded, which allowed their use as beasts of burden while excluding them from the gene pool.

    A similar practice appears to explain the absence of a large negro population in Turkey and the Arab countries, despite the continuance of African slavery in those countries into the twentieth century. They made eunuchs out of the males, and saw no reason to encourage the breeding of a domestic slave population as long as more slaves could be imported as needed from Arab slavers in Zanzibar.

    By contrast, there was no custom of castrating male negroes in colonial or antebellum North America; indeed, after 1808, the only way the slave population could grow was domestically. It was in the interest of American slaveowners to encourage their slaves to reproduce; a piccaninny was an asset to them in the same way as a calf or a foal. This led to the emergence of a domestic American black population that had no parallel in the Ottoman empire.

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    In other words, in order to satisfy the wealthy elite's demands for cheap labor in order to bring them short term profits, the US imported a population that will trouble all future generations unto eternity. Thank God we will never make that mistake again!
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  183. @Chrisnonymous

    And supposedly the Palestinians are part of that Levantine group, right?
     
    Please engage with this Twitter account...

    https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/966634639124201472

    My god, I am not stepping one toe in that swamp. I note that even Paul Nehlen has ventured into the bog!

    It’s funny, apparently the Palis view the Jews as brothers from another mother.

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    The mothers being Sarah and Hagar.
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  184. Brooks–again. Wilkinson–again.

    Can we just have separate nations?

    If these guys want to live in their rainbow hued globotopia–i.e. get all the little brown serfs they want–i really, honestly do not begrudge them that. Let’s cut out a piece of real-estate and let these guys have their cosmopolitan open-borders orgasm.

    But at the same time let they rest of us–Americans, Britons, French, Germans, Italians, Spainards, etc. etc. have our nations back!

    Cut through all the b.s. and Brooksian\Wilkinsonian ideology as just parasitism on white nations. The evil here–and yes it is evil–is not their (stupid) utopian dreams. (Stupid utopianism seems to be a common human failing.) If they want it and want to build it–great. No, the evil is that they insist on having their utopia in *other people’s nations*. The evil is insisting that the rest of us–we normies–are not allowed to have our lives in our nations, but must be part of their glorious experiment.

    Hey David, Will–f-you!

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    Sure, you can have all the states that start with A (maybe not Arizona) and the globalists will get the rest.

    If you want your nation "back" then win at the ballot box, take back all the institutions - the courts, the universities, the media and the permanent government and it's yours. Better hurry 'cause the demographics look worse every day. The globalists had a 50 year head start while you were snoozing so you had better rush to catch up.
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  185. @Crawfurdmuir

    Breeders often slaughter descendants with unwanted characteristics or genetic ailments with ruthless impunity(such a process created the German Shepherd dog). I can’t think of any human society, even Spartans, that practiced infanticide on a comparable level.
     
    The ancient Carthaginians appear to have been enthusiastic practitioners of infant sacrifice, though it is questionable whether the intent was eugenic:

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/21/carthaginians-sacrificed-own-children-study

    Horses were infrequently culled - more often they were just gelded, which allowed their use as beasts of burden while excluding them from the gene pool.

    A similar practice appears to explain the absence of a large negro population in Turkey and the Arab countries, despite the continuance of African slavery in those countries into the twentieth century. They made eunuchs out of the males, and saw no reason to encourage the breeding of a domestic slave population as long as more slaves could be imported as needed from Arab slavers in Zanzibar.

    By contrast, there was no custom of castrating male negroes in colonial or antebellum North America; indeed, after 1808, the only way the slave population could grow was domestically. It was in the interest of American slaveowners to encourage their slaves to reproduce; a piccaninny was an asset to them in the same way as a calf or a foal. This led to the emergence of a domestic American black population that had no parallel in the Ottoman empire.

    In other words, in order to satisfy the wealthy elite’s demands for cheap labor in order to bring them short term profits, the US imported a population that will trouble all future generations unto eternity. Thank God we will never make that mistake again!

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    In other words, in order to satisfy the wealthy elite’s demands for cheap labor in order to bring them short term profits, the US imported a population that will trouble all future generations unto eternity. Thank God we will never make that mistake again!
     
    LOL -- or i would be if it wasn't so depressing.

    Paraphrasing Marx: first time as tragedy, second time as farce.
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  186. @AnotherDad

    According to this paper, mutational load is indeed increasing and I find the idea to be probable.
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs40806-017-0133-5
     
    Probable? It's certain. (Unless there's some biology i'm unaware of.)

    Medicine is saving the lives of a bunch of people who in an early age would have been swept away by disease and not reproduced. Their mutations are building up in the gene pool. Obviously at a certain point you get mutational load which does result in people dying or being so inept as to be unmarriagable and failing to reproduce. But in our world of modern medicine and the welfare state that level is a heck of a lot higher. And then this effect is turbo-charged by social changes where people with fairly small mutational load--all cylinders pretty much firing--nonetheless fail to reproduce, or under-reproduce relative to the general population. Which is happening much more often now than in the past.

    I'm all for modern medicine--and a welfare state of some sort. But in a sane society that should be accompanied by some sort eugenic program where if you are incompetent and on public support--you don't reproduce; if you require serious medical intervention for some disease because of a genetic failure, you either don't reproduce or do so only with genetic screening.

    Modern medicine is inherently going to raise mutational load, but we can do better than just lie back and take it.

    I’m all for modern medicine–and a welfare state of some sort. But in a sane society that should be accompanied by some sort eugenic program where if you are incompetent and on public support–you don’t reproduce;

    This is one of the VERY few times I’ve disagreed with you, A.D. That just can’t work. You’d have to have a Police State apparatus and bureaucracy even bigger than America has now to enforce this kind of thing, and the increasing-in-numbers welfare cases that are “due for eugenics” will vote out the rules or forcibly change the rules. “Wait, they’re WON’T BE increasing in number!”, you say. How can you get to that state though, A.D.? It’s way too late, as the welfare users outnumber the financial supporters already, depending on how you define welfare.

    Better were the old days, before the welfare state, in which real charity took care of many people in many ways: some financial support, food, schooling, taking care of orphans, etc. People that have their own money involved, with CONTROL over it, will make sure only the deserving get a hand-out or hand-up. Otherwise, it’s “I’m done with this.” Who would keep giving any support to a single Mom that had another kid – that would make her not let that happen. Responsibility only occurs when people are held responsible.

    I will bring up my Penguin example one more time, just because I can never get enough of this one!

    Actually, I’m not sure it really illustrates my point, but ….

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  187. Meanwhile, Le Trollage in La France:

    https://www.rt.com/news/419684-mixed-race-girl-under-fire/

    The State Prosecutor in the French city of Orléans is investigating possible incitement to racial hatred, following Twitter attacks on a mixed-race girl chosen to play Joan of Arc in upcoming city celebrations.

    17-year-old Mathilde Edey Gamassou had been chosen to play the Medieval heroine of French history in Orléans’ annual Johannique festival. A local schoolgirl of African (Bénin) and Polish descent, she will ride on horseback through the city center dressed in armor during the celebrations, commemorating Joan of Arc’s breaking of the siege of the city by the English in 1429.

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  188. @AnotherDad
    Brooks--again. Wilkinson--again.

    Can we just have separate nations?

    If these guys want to live in their rainbow hued globotopia--i.e. get all the little brown serfs they want--i really, honestly do not begrudge them that. Let's cut out a piece of real-estate and let these guys have their cosmopolitan open-borders orgasm.

    But at the same time let they rest of us--Americans, Britons, French, Germans, Italians, Spainards, etc. etc. have our nations back!

    Cut through all the b.s. and Brooksian\Wilkinsonian ideology as just parasitism on white nations. The evil here--and yes it is evil--is not their (stupid) utopian dreams. (Stupid utopianism seems to be a common human failing.) If they want it and want to build it--great. No, the evil is that they insist on having their utopia in *other people's nations*. The evil is insisting that the rest of us--we normies--are not allowed to have our lives in our nations, but must be part of their glorious experiment.

    Hey David, Will--f-you!

    Sure, you can have all the states that start with A (maybe not Arizona) and the globalists will get the rest.

    If you want your nation “back” then win at the ballot box, take back all the institutions – the courts, the universities, the media and the permanent government and it’s yours. Better hurry ’cause the demographics look worse every day. The globalists had a 50 year head start while you were snoozing so you had better rush to catch up.

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    That doesn't work. If the game wasn't rigged, they wouldn't be playing it.
    , @Anon
    Average ordinary people haven't been snoozing. They've been living their lives and working and raising their families.

    They cannot anticipate what heavily networked sociopaths are going to do because they aren't sociopaths themselves. Money and power don't obsess them.

    To me your comments usually seem fair-minded. Not this one. Too much contempt for your fellow human beings.

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  189. @AndrewR
    Given all the comments of mine he's refused to let through his Orwellian censorship firewall, and all the rude comments towards me that he has allowed through his censorship firewall, I've been rather kind towards Sailer. I would estimate a solid three hours of my life have been spent writing comments Sailer has refused to approve - none of which contained unlawful speech and very few of which even contained cuss words or slurs.

    I think it's funny you chose such an unflattering photo of her in order to make your case that I'm a "homo-incel" for not finding her drop-dead sexy. Different strokes for different folks, buddy. Personally she looks a bit too much like my middle school best friend for my tastes, but please feel free to lust after her.

    I also find it funny how you call me a homo when you're a grown man white-knighting for another grown man who has the power to censor all of my comments "at whim."

    I would estimate a solid three hours of my life have been spent writing comments Sailer has refused to approve – none of which contained unlawful speech and very few of which even contained cuss words or slurs.

    (Dr Evil voice): 3… hours!

    Is that all? I am sure that over the course of my commenting history, my whimmed out by KOMMENT KONTROL comments took a lot more than a measly 3 hours to write (still a vanishingly small percentage of my total time, uh, “dedicated” to this site). Does it really matter? Most of the time I know when I’m skirting the edge. Often they just get delayed for a long time, as Steve either decides what to do with it or just maybe puts it on a delay setting so technically the comment passes but only the true iSteve diehards will ever read it, maybe.

    You can practically say anything on this site and get away with it with just a modicum of effort if you make it a bit elliptical or funny. I’m guessing that Svigor has man months of comments that have never seen the light of day. And he’s still here.

    Come on, we don’t even call it KOMMENT KONTROL any more because the internet has drifted so far rightward and Steve and the Commentariat has also, along with it.

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  190. @Jack D

    The general model they have is the Italian proto-Ashkenazi were about 30/70 South EU/Levantine, and the East and Western EU mixture came after the bottleneck of the migration to the Rhineland and from there East.
     
    I assume that is 70/30 and not the reverse but I still don't understand how you make the math come out either way after dilution?

    Anyway the alien Jewish ("Semitic") race is really 2/3 European so they are maybe not so alien after all. Maybe we are even "Old Stock"?

    Anyway the alien Jewish (“Semitic”) race is really 2/3 European so they are maybe not so alien after all. Maybe we are even “Old Stock”?

    There is no Jewish “race”. Simply, resident Judeophobes are morons. Not much to discuss here.

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  191. @Jack D
    Sure, you can have all the states that start with A (maybe not Arizona) and the globalists will get the rest.

    If you want your nation "back" then win at the ballot box, take back all the institutions - the courts, the universities, the media and the permanent government and it's yours. Better hurry 'cause the demographics look worse every day. The globalists had a 50 year head start while you were snoozing so you had better rush to catch up.

    That doesn’t work. If the game wasn’t rigged, they wouldn’t be playing it.

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    That doesn’t work. If the game wasn’t rigged, they wouldn’t be playing it.

    It worked in the USSR, well except for the ballot box bit but I believe Jack is right.

    An advantage we have is that TPTB are weak and flabby for the same reasons we are. Mobile phones, internet porn, modern conveniences. A lot of them are old as well, which also helps. Pelosi, Hillary, Juncker (sp?), they are not exactly brimming with vitality.
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  192. @a reader

    The shooter wasn’t Jewish but doesn’t surprise me.

    I’m sure the white girls babbling about fun control we’re Jewish sjw types

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    The shooter was in fact Jewish. He said so himself. Unsurprisingly, there has been very little coverage of his adoption story.
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  193. @Tiny Duck
    I have to ask: If you are a conservative, what are you trying to conserve?

    The push to restrict immigration suggests we are trying to conserve jobs for only Americans - that is the zero-sum part - and conserve America as a white nation. That isn't conserving much of anything.

    But we are not trying to conserve religious freedom - we are fighting a war over whose religious ideals should be fostered by the government.

    We aren't trying to conserve the great ideas that advanced us - from labor protections and anti-monopoly actions of the early 1900s to safety nets like Social Security.

    We aren't trying to conserve the middle class - our tax cuts move wealth up the ladder.

    We aren't trying to conserve our infrastructure - that is just advanced as a way to use foreign money to skin Americans; or our natural resources - we are busily trying to assure that we can dig anything from anywhere no matter how much the social and environmental cost may run.

    Is it our democratic ideals? The ones we sold when we decided to stop a sitting President from filling a Supreme Court seat, or the ones we undermine when we choose to make voting harder. or the ones we let go to waste as we continue to elect people who cannot compromise, and cannot represent the nation as a whole?

    TD, voting, actually, couldn’t be any easier.

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  194. @Lot
    If Steve won't ban you for your frequent and petty personal attacks on himself, insulting the appearance of Marine LePen I would hope is the line he cannot let anyone cross.

    The libtards say fight bad speech is more speech rather than censorship, so I will give that a try.

    AndrewR/Marine Le Pen

    Nobody/ International celebrity
    Nobody/ one of the saviors of the french race
    Likely incel/bore three lovely and functional children in first marriage, now in stable relationship with good-looking fellow nationalist

    Also what kind of homo-incel calls Marion Le Pen "kind of attractive?"

    http://welikeit.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/3895904.jpg

    Once again, this comment section displays sublime levels of thirst

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  195. @Samuel Skinner
    Brown v Board of Education was in 1954 (No Jews on the Supreme Court) and the New York Times (shortly followed by the rest of the media) stopped reporting the race of criminals in 1946.

    So I'd say the Jews melded perfectly into the mainstream culture. It just happened to be 'screw over poor white people' which is part of the reason they melded so well.

    Brown v Board of Education was in 1954 (No Jews on the Supreme Court)

    Felix Frankfurter would beg to differ. He served from January 30, 1939 to August 28, 1962.

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    How many Jewish SC clerks, law professors, and media people in 1954?
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  196. @Samuel Skinner
    That doesn't work. If the game wasn't rigged, they wouldn't be playing it.

    That doesn’t work. If the game wasn’t rigged, they wouldn’t be playing it.

    It worked in the USSR, well except for the ballot box bit but I believe Jack is right.

    An advantage we have is that TPTB are weak and flabby for the same reasons we are. Mobile phones, internet porn, modern conveniences. A lot of them are old as well, which also helps. Pelosi, Hillary, Juncker (sp?), they are not exactly brimming with vitality.

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  197. @AndrewR
    What's conservative about women running for office and giving political speeches?

    At least she's kind of attractive unlike Aunt Marine.

    “What’s conservative about women running for office and giving political speeches?”

    We might as well try it since we can’t find a man to run .

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  198. @Whiskey
    Meanwhile in the Florida shooting ... the cop on the scene AT THE SCHOOL ran and hid. A cop getting donuts essentially ala Steve on the Late Obama Age Collapse. I'm sure the cop was thinking, likely a person of color as the shooter, better get donuts.

    He's retired on full pension. But he is not being prosecuted for shooting a kid of color. The other cops responding milled about outside the school no doubt thinking the same thing.

    But hey, trust the government to protect you, turn in your guns to the Children's Crusade!

    And the chatterati wonder why people are bitterly clinging to their guns and religion. Tribally.

    Brooks is toast and knows it. The White middle and working classes are destined for serfdom if lucky but he'll be alongside them. Not much use for wealthy White Jews among the new overlords in MS 13 and ISIS and the New Black Panther Party. Who knew the Colors of Benetton were really a Rodney King Riot?

    I love these people trying this make an issue out of having an armed person in the classroom when plenty of ghetto schools have dedicated cops in the hallways and not hiding in the parking lot, with the result that the little criminals at least keep the worst stuff out of school. They got shoved on to the back foot hard on this one, hopefully that discourages them from retrying it.

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  199. @Bill
    This is like a meta joke? It's saying "We all know that women aren't funny and that you have to pretend they are, but, with me, at least you can look at my tits."

    I admit boredom kept me from getting through the whole, interminable ten minutes of it. Is it easier if you're drunk?

    Yeah, it is a meta-joke to some extent, but if you stop focusing on the tits, you would see that the almost empty tip-jar is labelled for “Susan Wojcicki” and Miss Blush makes a cryptic reference to bartenders who have miserable lives getting fewer tips, which is a dig at Susan Wojcicki for pushing through de-monitizing of videos like hers.

    I enjoy Miss Blush’s videos, perhaps too much, because her outrageous French-Canadian accent and mannerisms remind me of my High School French teacher, who was French-Canadian and whose Quebecois teaching of French got me laughed at too often during the year I lived in Paris.

    Doesn’t hurt that she is easy on the eyes, but drinking a good scotch while watching makes one more receptive to spotting the subtle humour buried in the larger meta-joke. This woman is not dumb.

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  200. @AndrewR
    Given all the comments of mine he's refused to let through his Orwellian censorship firewall, and all the rude comments towards me that he has allowed through his censorship firewall, I've been rather kind towards Sailer. I would estimate a solid three hours of my life have been spent writing comments Sailer has refused to approve - none of which contained unlawful speech and very few of which even contained cuss words or slurs.

    I think it's funny you chose such an unflattering photo of her in order to make your case that I'm a "homo-incel" for not finding her drop-dead sexy. Different strokes for different folks, buddy. Personally she looks a bit too much like my middle school best friend for my tastes, but please feel free to lust after her.

    I also find it funny how you call me a homo when you're a grown man white-knighting for another grown man who has the power to censor all of my comments "at whim."

    I know, it’s awful how he comes to my house (white devils travel cross country for free, it’s the James Earl Ray rule), walks right in (because bumping locks is almost statistics), places a hungry but calm rabbit right at my neck, then holds the golf club right over my soles, threatening to strike (and thus agitate the rabbit), unless I comment on his blog on Unz’s site that I had nothing to do with creating and maintaining.
    He can’t keep getting away with it.

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    I'm glad you understand where I'm coming from.
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  201. @AndrewR
    Wouldn't Italy qualify? Or is that the "eldest son"? Regardless, France purged the church from public life at the same time as the revolution, if I'm not mistaken. Meanwhile, Italy/Spain/Ireland haven't really ever separated church and state, as far as I'm aware.

    Wouldn’t Italy qualify? Or is that the “eldest son”?

    Italy is the mother.

    Regardless, France purged the church from public life at the same time as the revolution, if I’m not mistaken.

    Which is not the same thing as replacing the Catholic Church with Islam……

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  202. @TTSSYF
    I retain a good bit of skepticism about how accurate it is and agree with the marketing angle. The ads usually emphasize how "surprised" the person was to find out he/she had some ancestry of which they were totally unaware; i.e., I'm sure 23&Me loves telling some fifth-generation white American from the Southeast that he/she has some percentage of African or AmeriIndian ancestry. I believe it is being used to further globalism and how we're really just "one big family" and that our genetic differences are trivial. Sort of like how we heard for several years that we share 99% of our genetic make-up with chimpanzees, although I haven't been hearing that lately.

    You’re absolutely right, they have admitted that they lie in order to troll “racists.”

    https://www.amren.com/news/2017/12/inside-shady-world-dna-testing-companies/

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  203. @J.Ross
    I know, it's awful how he comes to my house (white devils travel cross country for free, it's the James Earl Ray rule), walks right in (because bumping locks is almost statistics), places a hungry but calm rabbit right at my neck, then holds the golf club right over my soles, threatening to strike (and thus agitate the rabbit), unless I comment on his blog on Unz's site that I had nothing to do with creating and maintaining.
    He can't keep getting away with it.

    I’m glad you understand where I’m coming from.

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  204. @Achmed E. Newman
    As I have ignored the week-long (so far) infotainment*, I just had heard about this cowardly cop about 1 hour before reading your post, Whiskey, from a friend. This should be a lesson to those (few) anti-libertarians on unz who have too much respect for our cop "heroes". This is more typical cop behavior. "We all want to get home at night, hell with the kids!" Peak Stupidity's take on this.

    I've seen plenty of good cops, but not many would really be heroes, when it comes down to it.

    I do agree with Jack D's reply, however, in that I also don't think this was more fallout from Ferguson, MO, Baltimore, etc. It's just the way cops are going to be. This type of thing, the complete lack of respect for the Constitution on the part of most cops, and the story we're getting (that's Jason Kessler on VDare) of the continuing legal anarcho-tyranny seen in Charlottesville, Virginia, show that we are indeed on our own.

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    * Hey, that's not trying to make light of 17 people killed and more injured. I just got the gist of it by the next day, and don't want to watch TV just to catch the multi-week long pissing-and-moaning "search for answers" about it.

    * Hey, that’s not trying to make light of 17 people killed and more injured. I just got the gist of it by the next day, and don’t want to watch TV just to catch the multi-week long pissing-and-moaning “search for answers” about it.

    I’m with you there Achmed.

    For these kids’ families, this a tragedy of incredible proportions. I can’t think of anything worse than losing your child in the prime of their young life. But for the nation …

    I go to this well perhaps too much, this these weep fests hammer home how pathetically feminized we’ve become as a nation. Is there any intellectual content here at all? Anything actually newsworthy here other than “another school shooting”?

    Are we going to do any of the few things we could do that would help:
    – Several armed teachers/staff in each school.
    – Vouchers, private schools, which could kick out troublemakers and have student bodies of kids who (more or less) want to be there. (Fewer warehoused kids with a chip on the shoulder about having to go to school and be bullied, be unpopular, etc.)
    – More vigorous and vocational stuff for boys to do in school.
    – Not naming or showing these scumbags.
    – Dripping boiling oil on any captured shooter, followed by drawing and quartering.
    – Immigration moratorium, followed by working to restore idea of membership in a nation and sense of community.
    – Eugenics–working to minimize the creation of this sort of garbage.

    Going to do any of that–no, no, no, no, no, no and no. Nope, just have a giant whiny feelings fest.

    Those families who’ve lost their children–they have my sympathies. I hope they can find whatever solace they can find in friends, family, religious belief. Bad stuff happens. But there’s nothing here to chew on.

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    I am in agreement with all parts of your solution, Another Dad. I just wrote something in reply to a comment by Randal on the Pat Buchanan thread regarding the difference between how men and women handle tragedies - I guess I should say tragedies that they are not personally involved in.

    The women's vote is in large part responsible of how things go in the media and government after these things. I'm gonna just paste in the stuff I wrote:

    Yep, that is the hard part, and a consequence of the women’s right to vote, allowed very stupidity by Americans a century or so ago. Per Peak Stupidity, a few months back, in a post about that S. Texas church shooting, there is a big difference between how men and women deal with tragedies.

    What made me write the post in that link was seeing a headline on Drudge about “1 family member left out of 8″ (to paraphrase) that would be so terrible to be a involved with. The thing is, I’m not the one clicking on the headline, because more tears on my end ain’t gonna solve any problems. Those stories are for the women, who dwell on emotion.

    It takes hard reasoning to not just try to prevent another happening like these, but to look at the big picture and not destroy your country in the process. Women cannot do this kind of thinking.
     
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  205. @Jack D
    Neither the cop nor the shooter was a Person of Color. School shooters tend to be white (occasionally Asian, rarely black). Black people prefer to do their shooting retail and not wholesale. Overall black carnage is far, far worse but it happens in 1's and 2's and not by the dozen so it doesn't get the same publicity.

    Despite his Hispanic name, Cruz was adopted and his genetic background is not clear, but he looks pretty Euro. He also looks strange - fetal alcohol syndrome?

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/78dc7cb6c80452579447b938fdeebeba76f676fc/c=37-0-1162-1500&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/2018/02/15/USATODAY/USATODAY/636542751600691091-nikolas-cruz-021518.jpg

    but he looks pretty Euro

    LOL. Maybe Eastern Europe which doesn’t count.

    Amerimutt / Le 56% Face

    Who Was Shut Out?: Immigration Quotas, 1925–1927
    …a blatant effort to limit immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe

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  206. I can’t think of any human society, even Spartans, that practiced infanticide on a comparable level.

    When I think “infanticide” I think “Carthage.” Nasty pieces of work.

    There is no Jewish “race”. Simply, resident Judeophobes are morons. Not much to discuss here.

    Not when the “morons” would run circles around you, no.

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  207. If total Judeophilia is 0, and total Jew awareness is 10, then the typical Jew or Judeophile is a 1, the typical antisemite is a 7, and the typical American is a 2 or a 3. It doesn’t take much to pull a reasonably intelligent and inquisitive American up several points. Hence the Jews’ hysteria for censorship. Put simply, Jews & co. have shitty arguments, and the typical westerner has never heard the matter discussed, so it doesn’t really matter how smart the Judeophiles are; they’re best served by whistling past the graveyard.

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    It doesn’t take much to pull a reasonably intelligent and inquisitive American up several points.

    I question whether Americans are so easily moved to hate. Examples? How have you seen this happen?
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  208. @Mr. Blank
    I found the “who are your heroes?” question illuminating, because I realized most of the people who immediately came to mind for me are dead.

    A few living ones I came up with:

    George W. Bush: Though I have gradually evolved to the point where I think most of what Dubya did was a disaster, I retain a lingering affection for his unflappable, steadfast determination and serious, grownup demeanor. He might have been a lousy president, but he was a sterling example of a man. Would that such manly qualities had been invested in a leader more suited for the times...

    Bill Gates: Windows mostly sucks, and his foundation is a waste of money, but he’s the last businessman I can think of whose efforts in business left the world a better place than he found it. (Steve Jobs is a better example, but Jobs is dead.)

    Chuck Yeager and all the old astronauts like Buzz Aldrin: The level of courage those guys had is almost inconceivable today.

    John Derbyshire, Pat Buchanan and Charles Murray: I share many of the opinions of these guys but I’m too cowardly to affix my own name to them. All three of them have paid a price for it, and I believe all three will be mostly vindicated — though probably not within their own lifetimes.

    Tom Wolfe: He will probably be remembered in hindsight as the greatest writer of his age.

    Elon Musk: He’s kind of a putz but his childlike enthusiasm is admittedly endearing. We could use more rich assholes like him.

    Shigeru Miyamoto: My generation’s Walt Disney.

    I’m sure I’m forgetting a few, but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Those are just the famous ones, by the way. I have other heroes, but none of them are famous — mostly business or military guys I just happen to know.

    If you expand the criteria to people I merely “admire” for various reasons, the list would be a lot longer — but “hero” to me denotes something more than mere admiration. A hero is not just somebody who is greatly accomplished, but somebody worthy of emulation. There just aren’t a lot of living people I think can live up to that standard.

    Mr. Blank wrote:

    I found the “who are your heroes?” question illuminating, because I realized most of the people who immediately came to mind for me are dead.

    My childhood heroes (circa age thirteen) were Galileo (obvious for a future physicist), “Free-Born John” Lilburne (who opposed both Charles I and Cromwell in defense of the liberties of the English people), and Richard Cobden and John Bright (who inaugurated the all-too-brief period of economic freedom in Great Britain).

    Among the living, although I was not into sports, I did look up to Roger Bannister, who broke the four-minute mile. I still think that was pretty cool.

    Yes, I realize that my list of childhood heroes was…. unusual.

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  209. @Jack D
    Neither the cop nor the shooter was a Person of Color. School shooters tend to be white (occasionally Asian, rarely black). Black people prefer to do their shooting retail and not wholesale. Overall black carnage is far, far worse but it happens in 1's and 2's and not by the dozen so it doesn't get the same publicity.

    Despite his Hispanic name, Cruz was adopted and his genetic background is not clear, but he looks pretty Euro. He also looks strange - fetal alcohol syndrome?

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/78dc7cb6c80452579447b938fdeebeba76f676fc/c=37-0-1162-1500&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/2018/02/15/USATODAY/USATODAY/636542751600691091-nikolas-cruz-021518.jpg

    black carnage is far, far worse but it happens in 1′s and 2′s and not by the dozen so it doesn’t get the same publicity

    Blacks do it all the time so it’s not even newsworthy. Ever hear of a ‘drive by’? Plus, the media isn’t going to show the close up mug of a Negro murderer all over tv, newspapers and online because that would be racist.

    Some mass shootings in the ghetto you may have never heard of:

    [2010] Drive-by shooting in Washington, D.C. leaves three dead, six wounded

    [2012] Two Killed, 12 Wounded in Drive-By Shooting at Funeral Home

    [2013] Northwest D.C. on camera. Thirteen people were injured when gunmen opened fire in front of a crowd outside an apartment building

    [2015] 10 Hurt After Men With Shotgun Open Fire on Father’s Day Block Party in West Philadelphia

    [2016] Mass shooting at BBQ leaves 6 dead including unborn child [2 wounded]

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    The good news is that mass shootings by black gang members often don't turn out to be mass killings because the shooter/shooters don't want to stick around and finish off the wounded at the risk of being caught or killed.

    America has a problem with more or less suicidal shooters who want to kill a lot of people before being killed or locked up for the rest of their lives. They are very rare, fortunately, but not as rare as they used to be, say 50 years ago.

    I think a decline in fear of Hell is playing a role.

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  210. @anonymous
    Based upon the Wiki reading, whatever Jewish blood Chavez had dates back over five centuries. A rather slender thread for Brooks to hang on to. Furthermore, I have read accounts that 23andMe's results are of dubious accuracy. I've heard that if you want a REAL genetic test, you need to avail yourself of the services of either a world-class research university i.e. Harvard, Stanford, "OxBridge" or something like the Max Planck Institute. Though only hearsay, I've been told the test ain't cheap either.

    Based upon the Wiki reading, whatever Jewish blood Chavez had dates back over five centuries.

    It dates back forever, and flows into the present, like all other “blood” as the term is used in this context.

    Yes, she’s Jewish. She has Jewish ancestry, and now she overtly identifies as Jewish. Some of us figured it out before she did.

    Having said that, I will give you credit for demeaning the reliability of 23andme.

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    Some of us figured it out before she did.

    What do you mean?
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  211. @Hippopotamusdrome


    black carnage is far, far worse but it happens in 1′s and 2′s and not by the dozen so it doesn’t get the same publicity

     

    Blacks do it all the time so it's not even newsworthy. Ever hear of a 'drive by'? Plus, the media isn't going to show the close up mug of a Negro murderer all over tv, newspapers and online because that would be racist.

    Some mass shootings in the ghetto you may have never heard of:

    [2010] Drive-by shooting in Washington, D.C. leaves three dead, six wounded

    [2012] Two Killed, 12 Wounded in Drive-By Shooting at Funeral Home

    [2013] Northwest D.C. on camera. Thirteen people were injured when gunmen opened fire in front of a crowd outside an apartment building

    [2015] 10 Hurt After Men With Shotgun Open Fire on Father's Day Block Party in West Philadelphia

    [2016] Mass shooting at BBQ leaves 6 dead including unborn child [2 wounded]

    The good news is that mass shootings by black gang members often don’t turn out to be mass killings because the shooter/shooters don’t want to stick around and finish off the wounded at the risk of being caught or killed.

    America has a problem with more or less suicidal shooters who want to kill a lot of people before being killed or locked up for the rest of their lives. They are very rare, fortunately, but not as rare as they used to be, say 50 years ago.

    I think a decline in fear of Hell is playing a role.

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    The good news is that mass shootings by black gang members often don’t turn out to be mass killings because the shooter/shooters don’t want to stick around and finish off the wounded at the risk of being caught or killed.
     
    Also, Black gangsters tend to be lousy shots. Good marksmanship is more of a White thing.
    , @epochehusserl
    I think the decline in monogamy has more to do with the increase in shootings. Also, the elite dont seem to be interested in finding a place in the social system for people who cant do higher level math or high level programming.
    , @Henry's Cat
    I just saw the risible John Wick: Chapter 2, in which Wick is asked if he fears damnation. He says 'yes' and then kills about 50 people in the next 5 minutes
    , @IBC

    I think a decline in fear of Hell is playing a role.
     
    Kind of like your point about the lack of any serious additional consequences for killing a murder witness when life imprisonment is already the harshest punishment.
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  212. @Tiny Duck
    I have to ask: If you are a conservative, what are you trying to conserve?

    The push to restrict immigration suggests we are trying to conserve jobs for only Americans - that is the zero-sum part - and conserve America as a white nation. That isn't conserving much of anything.

    But we are not trying to conserve religious freedom - we are fighting a war over whose religious ideals should be fostered by the government.

    We aren't trying to conserve the great ideas that advanced us - from labor protections and anti-monopoly actions of the early 1900s to safety nets like Social Security.

    We aren't trying to conserve the middle class - our tax cuts move wealth up the ladder.

    We aren't trying to conserve our infrastructure - that is just advanced as a way to use foreign money to skin Americans; or our natural resources - we are busily trying to assure that we can dig anything from anywhere no matter how much the social and environmental cost may run.

    Is it our democratic ideals? The ones we sold when we decided to stop a sitting President from filling a Supreme Court seat, or the ones we undermine when we choose to make voting harder. or the ones we let go to waste as we continue to elect people who cannot compromise, and cannot represent the nation as a whole?

    “decided to stop a sitting President from filling a Supreme Court seat”

    A feature, not a bug, courtesy of our Founding Fathers.

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  213. @anon
    Rome chose its symbol to be the fasces, a bundle of rods. The meaning is: "Rods by themselves are easily broken, but when bound together are strong." Imagine an analogy to soldiers in formation. Various European states subsequently adopted this symbol, and you can see it behind the podium of the US House of Representatives.

    "The strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack."

    "Oy vey, that's collectivist Goy. Western Civ has always been individualistic. You should break up and fight us one at a time."

    Rome chose its symbol to be the fasces, a bundle of rods. The meaning is: “Rods by themselves are easily broken, but when bound together are strong.” Imagine an analogy to soldiers in formation. Various European states subsequently adopted this symbol, and you can see it behind the podium of the US House of Representatives.

    And on the Mercury dime, minted from 1916-45, ha ha.

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  214. @songbird
    A lot of the major cities in the North were 95-97% white before 1950. The countryside in the North was close to 100%. This is what makes those anti white TV commercials that one sees now so remarkable.

    If you include Chicago and/or Detroit among your major Northen cities, you have to substitute 1915 for 1950, probably for at least some other major Northern cities as well. You’re talking about combined Black, Hispanic, and Asian population < or = 5%.

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  215. @Steve Sailer
    The good news is that mass shootings by black gang members often don't turn out to be mass killings because the shooter/shooters don't want to stick around and finish off the wounded at the risk of being caught or killed.

    America has a problem with more or less suicidal shooters who want to kill a lot of people before being killed or locked up for the rest of their lives. They are very rare, fortunately, but not as rare as they used to be, say 50 years ago.

    I think a decline in fear of Hell is playing a role.

    The good news is that mass shootings by black gang members often don’t turn out to be mass killings because the shooter/shooters don’t want to stick around and finish off the wounded at the risk of being caught or killed.

    Also, Black gangsters tend to be lousy shots. Good marksmanship is more of a White thing.

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  216. @Jack D
    Except when they have to fight off Hamas terrorists emerging from tunnels. There's a war in Gaza about every 2 to 4 years - they are overdue about now:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict

    Israel's population is 1/40th that of the US so 67 IDF killed is like 2,680 killed for the US, which is more than our losses in Afghanistan.

    There's a pretty high chance that Hamas will start another war soon - the Israelis are building a massive underground system that will render the Hamas tunnels (which Hamas spent a huge amount of money digging) worthless so it is use it or lose it time for Hamas. Not to mention that Iran is turning up the pressure at the northern border. An Israeli jet just got shot down over Syria (after the Iranians sent a drone into Israel) for the first time in decades. If I was looking for a safe gig, the IDF would not be it.

    The American Embassy move to Jerusalem in May will probably exacerbate problems with Hamas and others. That could be felt in oil, gold and various other asset classes that impact people far away, in addition to the increased security concerns and likely crazy responses from those closer to the front.

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  217. @AndrewR
    Wouldn't Italy qualify? Or is that the "eldest son"? Regardless, France purged the church from public life at the same time as the revolution, if I'm not mistaken. Meanwhile, Italy/Spain/Ireland haven't really ever separated church and state, as far as I'm aware.

    The Republic of Ireland was proclaimed in the name of the Trinity, but with no specific mention of the Catholic Church. They’ve become very secular in recent years.

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  218. @Anonym
    My god, I am not stepping one toe in that swamp. I note that even Paul Nehlen has ventured into the bog!

    It's funny, apparently the Palis view the Jews as brothers from another mother.

    The mothers being Sarah and Hagar.

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  219. @Steve Sailer
    The good news is that mass shootings by black gang members often don't turn out to be mass killings because the shooter/shooters don't want to stick around and finish off the wounded at the risk of being caught or killed.

    America has a problem with more or less suicidal shooters who want to kill a lot of people before being killed or locked up for the rest of their lives. They are very rare, fortunately, but not as rare as they used to be, say 50 years ago.

    I think a decline in fear of Hell is playing a role.

    I think the decline in monogamy has more to do with the increase in shootings. Also, the elite dont seem to be interested in finding a place in the social system for people who cant do higher level math or high level programming.

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  220. @Tiny Duck
    I have to ask: If you are a conservative, what are you trying to conserve?

    The push to restrict immigration suggests we are trying to conserve jobs for only Americans - that is the zero-sum part - and conserve America as a white nation. That isn't conserving much of anything.

    But we are not trying to conserve religious freedom - we are fighting a war over whose religious ideals should be fostered by the government.

    We aren't trying to conserve the great ideas that advanced us - from labor protections and anti-monopoly actions of the early 1900s to safety nets like Social Security.

    We aren't trying to conserve the middle class - our tax cuts move wealth up the ladder.

    We aren't trying to conserve our infrastructure - that is just advanced as a way to use foreign money to skin Americans; or our natural resources - we are busily trying to assure that we can dig anything from anywhere no matter how much the social and environmental cost may run.

    Is it our democratic ideals? The ones we sold when we decided to stop a sitting President from filling a Supreme Court seat, or the ones we undermine when we choose to make voting harder. or the ones we let go to waste as we continue to elect people who cannot compromise, and cannot represent the nation as a whole?

    Tiny Duck wrote:

    But we are not trying to conserve religious freedom – we are fighting a war over whose religious ideals should be fostered by the government.

    Ummm… TD, I’m a very outspoken atheist; every now and then I go on a tear about the idiots who put “under God” in the Pledge back in 1954.

    But, truth be told, there is less attempt to impose religious views on us non-believers today than there was back in the 20th century. If anything, the pendulum has swung in the opposite direction — e.g., forcing evangelical Christian bakers to make cakes for gay weddings. Personally, I’d bake the cake and take the money, but then I have no religious objection to gay marriage.

    TD also wrote:

    Is it our democratic ideals?

    Have you ever looked at the notes from the Constitutional Convention? The delegates were more concerned about preventing democracy than promoting it. I’m afraid that “our democratic ideals” is just a weird piece of mythology. This country was not established as a democracy, and anyone loyal to the United States must necessarily be opposed to democracy.

    And, always remember, Tiny Duck: we all love you!

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  221. @AnotherDad

    * Hey, that’s not trying to make light of 17 people killed and more injured. I just got the gist of it by the next day, and don’t want to watch TV just to catch the multi-week long pissing-and-moaning “search for answers” about it.
     
    I'm with you there Achmed.

    For these kids' families, this a tragedy of incredible proportions. I can't think of anything worse than losing your child in the prime of their young life. But for the nation ...

    I go to this well perhaps too much, this these weep fests hammer home how pathetically feminized we've become as a nation. Is there any intellectual content here at all? Anything actually newsworthy here other than "another school shooting"?

    Are we going to do any of the few things we could do that would help:
    -- Several armed teachers/staff in each school.
    -- Vouchers, private schools, which could kick out troublemakers and have student bodies of kids who (more or less) want to be there. (Fewer warehoused kids with a chip on the shoulder about having to go to school and be bullied, be unpopular, etc.)
    -- More vigorous and vocational stuff for boys to do in school.
    -- Not naming or showing these scumbags.
    -- Dripping boiling oil on any captured shooter, followed by drawing and quartering.
    -- Immigration moratorium, followed by working to restore idea of membership in a nation and sense of community.
    -- Eugenics--working to minimize the creation of this sort of garbage.

    Going to do any of that--no, no, no, no, no, no and no. Nope, just have a giant whiny feelings fest.

    Those families who've lost their children--they have my sympathies. I hope they can find whatever solace they can find in friends, family, religious belief. Bad stuff happens. But there's nothing here to chew on.

    I am in agreement with all parts of your solution, Another Dad. I just wrote something in reply to a comment by Randal on the Pat Buchanan thread regarding the difference between how men and women handle tragedies – I guess I should say tragedies that they are not personally involved in.

    The women’s vote is in large part responsible of how things go in the media and government after these things. I’m gonna just paste in the stuff I wrote:

    Yep, that is the hard part, and a consequence of the women’s right to vote, allowed very stupidity by Americans a century or so ago. Per Peak Stupidity, a few months back, in a post about that S. Texas church shooting, there is a big difference between how men and women deal with tragedies.

    What made me write the post in that link was seeing a headline on Drudge about “1 family member left out of 8″ (to paraphrase) that would be so terrible to be a involved with. The thing is, I’m not the one clicking on the headline, because more tears on my end ain’t gonna solve any problems. Those stories are for the women, who dwell on emotion.

    It takes hard reasoning to not just try to prevent another happening like these, but to look at the big picture and not destroy your country in the process. Women cannot do this kind of thinking.

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  222. @Jack D
    Why would Jews be heavy users of 23 and Me, other than they are the kind of people with disposable income to spend on things like this? I can't think of a bigger waste because the results for all full blooded Ashkenazi Jews turn up the same - it's not like you are going to find out that you are 1/8 Cherokee or something and you never knew it.

    Most Jews are not third cousins with each other in the family tree sense where you could point to a single pair of common ancestors 4 generations ago but they have the same degree of genetic overlap as actual 3rd cousins because of a larger number common ancestors further back in the tree.

    Why would Jews be heavy users of 23 and Me, other than they are the kind of people with disposable income to spend on things like this?

    For potential parents, checking genetic diseases like Tay-Sachs Disease.

    https://jscreen.org/reasons-for-genetic-testing/

    I am surprised you did not think of that. Even for people not interested in that, having a number of people in one’s social group getting tested and finding out interesting things probably increases the frequency for others.

    Also, my sense is Jews tend to have some other characteristics (in addition to income) which I think would increase the rate of early adoption of technology like genetic testing. For example, being smart and intellectually curious.

    Most Jews are not third cousins with each other in the family tree sense where you could point to a single pair of common ancestors 4 generations ago but they have the same degree of genetic overlap as actual 3rd cousins because of a larger number common ancestors further back in the tree.

    Do you have a reference for that? I’m not sure they are actually THAT close. This article mentions 30th cousins, but I think they mean by descent not state: http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/184252/study-says-all-ashkenazi-jews-are-30th-cousins

    For anyone interested in this topic this looks like a decent starting point: The population genetics of the Jewish people

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543766/

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    23 and me says that it is "for entertainment only" because if they purported to do medical testing they would need FDA approval (and would have to operate to FDA standards). Do they even screen for genetic diseases? Ashkenazi Jews who are looking to have children are usually counseled by their doctors to get real genetic testing from a real lab, not an entertainment company.
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  223. It’s surprising how quickly white tribalism has gained strength.
    Does anyone know

    1. If there exist any White (or crypto-white) Student Unions anywhere in the United States?
    2. If any group is organizing to crowd source the Wall?

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  224. @Charles Pewitt
    https://twitter.com/vdare/status/967070008990928896

    David Brooks is the 7th grade guy, nice guy, who I went to his Bar Mitzvah, but…he turned into a monster.

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