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James Damore has lawyered up and appears to have something of a case under labor relations law that is said to state that employees can’t be fired for discussing work conditions. (I haven’t seen the exact text of the law and I’m not a lawyer, so don’t take my word for it and go get yourself fired.)

That opens up the possibility of a set-piece trial of Damore v. Google rather like the Scopes Monkey Trial of the Theory of Evolution.

Like a very different American in 1925, America in 2017 could hash out in a courtroom whether the genders were created equal or did the sexes evolve to be different?

Who should be James Damore’s Clarence Darrow?

Alan Dershowitz?

And who should be Google’s William Jennings Bryant-like guest litigator defending the appropriate feminist proprieties?

Bryant was a former Democratic Presidential nominee and Secretary of State.

Off the top of my head, I can think of one Democratic Presidential loser and former Secretary of State who would be ideal to play the Bryant role in this trial.

Hillary

This could be the culmination of this feminist crusader’s career: standing up in court to defend the second richest company in the world against some lowly sexist kid!

And, arguing Google’s side in court could be Hillary’s chance to symbolically overturn the 2016 election result.

Do it, Hillary.

(I’d volunteer to report on the trial, but only if there is air-conditioning.)

 
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  1. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I’m not sure, but I think… by my count… this is the fourth time I’ve made it into an actual iSteve post, but this is the first time you’ve combined two of my comments. I was seriously thinking today that I need to ask Ron to give my Anon posts back to my sometime pseudonym. But I fear getting doxxed and being unemployable… Maybe I should stop being a wuss and embrace reality… (I’m already pretty much unemployable…)

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    "I’m not sure, but I think… by my count… this is the fourth time I’ve made it into an actual iSteve post, but this is the first time you’ve combined two of my comments"

    Meh. I dropped an "Inherit the Wind" reference in one of the Miller/Acosta posts. At least give me a wee bit of credit.
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  2. Steve, there is a perfection to your fantasy.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    It would make for a great play. But make the Dershowitz character Johnny Cochrane instead and cast him with a black actor, as a shield against charges of racism.
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    do it, do it, do it, do it on the pavement….

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  4. I would expect to eventually hear a private recording of Hillary laughing about how she destroyed Damore and saved a monster, as she did way back on that rape trial. She would find a way to cheat, destroy evidence and get Google off.

    BTW, it’s William Jennings Bryan. No T. I’m glad I’m not the only one who screws up names and spells wrong. I’m much, much worse. You can delete this comment if you like. I don’t want to be a pedant, just a helper.

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    I would expect to eventually hear a private recording of Hillary laughing about how she destroyed Damore and saved a monster, as she did way back on that rape trial. She would find a way to cheat, destroy evidence and get Google off
     
    I honestly don't count that as one of Hillary's sins, at least from what I've heard. Criminal defense attorneys often have a gallows humor for their clients, for the same reason undertakers and gravediggers and executioners reportedly did: it's the only way to psychologically deal with their job, otherwise they'd go crazy. And the criminal defense biz often requires them to make really dark arguments for the sake of their clients' rights. It's not a pleasant thing, but neither is shoveling shit or chopping someone's head off, and somebody is sometimes required to do that on a regular basis.
    , @dearieme
    "I don’t want to be a pedant, ..." There's a British blog where the convention is to spell that noun as 'pendant'. The joke improves with repetition.
    , @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    "BTW, it’s William Jennings Bryan. No T."

    Yes, too many people confuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Jennings_Bryan with
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Bryant , who is famous for her "Cross of Gold" speech.
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/world/europe/ernst-zundel-canada-germany-holocaust-denial.html

    Mr. Zündel was convicted twice, in 1985 and 1988, under a rarely invoked law criminalizing the knowing publication of false news that caused, or was likely to cause, harm to the public interest, which the authorities interpreted to include Canada’s commitment to tolerance.

    But both convictions were overturned…

    The first conviction was tossed out on a technicality, and the second was overturned in 1992, when the Supreme Court of Canada found that the law was an unreasonable limit on freedom of expression.

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  6. Might have been linked already but in case it hasn’t been – this chick law professor thinks Damore may have a case:

    James Damore Has Solid Grounds To Sue Google For Discrimination (The Federalist)

    Again, Damore wrote “Google has created several discriminatory practices.” This reads of a classic case of opposition to an unlawful employment practice. (Under the case law, the practice need not actually be illegal if the employee reasonably believed it discriminatory.)

    This passage may well be Google’s undoing. Damore can present a prima facie case of illegal retaliation: he engaged in protected activity by opposing several discriminatory practices, and was fired from his job. The close temporal nexus creates an inference that Google fired him because of his opposition to illegal discrimination.

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  7. whorefinder says: • Website

    Wasn’t the Scopes Monkey trial a pure show—i.e. “fake”— trial? I mean, wasn’t it a set-up and publicity stunt so the town in Tennessee could get Darrow and Bryan and a bunch of press and evolution could get a boost? I mean, Darrow cross examined Bryan, the supposed opposing attorney, for crying out loud—and Bryan didn’t get to cross examine Darrow. It wasn’t a real legal trial, just a staged trial.

    Much of the 1920s was about press-grabbing and fads. Flag pole sitting grabbed attention, so people did it. Babe Ruth smashed dingers and made big bold and funny statements and people ate it up. Or how women’s golf became faddish. Or how the flapper look and lifestyle—women dressed in short dresses, getting drunk, partying, and having boycuts—was all the rage.

    I think it had something to do with the combination of the heady economic times of the 20s and the new technology of radio making it a “brand new world” where the rules for advertising on the medium weren’t established, so people felt freer to try bizarre stunts. Much like how the early days of the internet had such weird web designs and strange businesses.

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    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    WF,

    I doubt that Dayton Tennessee had a plan in place to create the "Monkey Trial" by hiring John T. Scopes to challenge the laws on the teaching of evolution.

    Scopes was probably a evolutionary guy, and as a young man, he could get away with challenging the educational orthodoxy without too many lingering effects. I know lots of young teachers who grumble about the curriculum, and who quietly do what they want in the classroom.

    Didn't Bryan set himself up as an expert on the Bible, so wasn't it appropriate for Darrow to cross-examine him as a witness?

    Unusual, yes. Probably wouldn't be allowed today. But lawyers have the right to cross-examine witnesses for the other side.

    Bryan was rightly viewed as a champion of the common man, and in his "Cross of Gold" speech, he opposed the national government's policies that would have benefited the big banks at the expense of ordinary Americans.

    Well, that didn't change.
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  8. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Buzz Mohawk
    I would expect to eventually hear a private recording of Hillary laughing about how she destroyed Damore and saved a monster, as she did way back on that rape trial. She would find a way to cheat, destroy evidence and get Google off.

    BTW, it's William Jennings Bryan. No T. I'm glad I'm not the only one who screws up names and spells wrong. I'm much, much worse. You can delete this comment if you like. I don't want to be a pedant, just a helper.

    I would expect to eventually hear a private recording of Hillary laughing about how she destroyed Damore and saved a monster, as she did way back on that rape trial. She would find a way to cheat, destroy evidence and get Google off

    I honestly don’t count that as one of Hillary’s sins, at least from what I’ve heard. Criminal defense attorneys often have a gallows humor for their clients, for the same reason undertakers and gravediggers and executioners reportedly did: it’s the only way to psychologically deal with their job, otherwise they’d go crazy. And the criminal defense biz often requires them to make really dark arguments for the sake of their clients’ rights. It’s not a pleasant thing, but neither is shoveling shit or chopping someone’s head off, and somebody is sometimes required to do that on a regular basis.

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    "I honestly don’t count that as one of Hillary’s sins, at least from what I’ve heard. Criminal defense attorneys often have a gallows humor for their clients, for the same reason undertakers and gravediggers and executioners reportedly did: it’s the only way to psychologically deal with their job, otherwise they’d go crazy."

    Say what you will, but when the victim was 12 years old ....
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  9. Achilles says:

    Uh oh

    Google litigant killed in self-driving car accident

    SAN JOSE, California (AP) — A Santa Clara county man was killed in a freak accident Thursday morning when a self-driving car operated by Google Inc. jumped a street curb and struck him.

    James Damore, 29, of Mountain View had just emerged from a Starbucks coffee shop in Sunnyvale when the driverless car, which had pulled to the side of the road in front of the shop and appeared to be malfunctioning, suddenly started moving again, striking Mr. Damore. EMT personnel called to the scene found Mr. Damore unconscious and transported him to a local hospital where he was declared dead.

    Mr. Damore made national headlines earlier this month when his employment at Google was terminated after the company learned he harbored inappropriate thoughts about women in the STEM field. Mr. Damore countered his firing by filing a wrongful termination lawsuit against Google.

    A spokesman for Google expressed regret for the accident. She further stated that the problem resulting in the accident has been corrected and that the public is in no danger from Google’s self-driving cars.

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    Classic. Well done. 3000 years later and Achillies is still the man.
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  10. Wilkey says:
    @Anonymous
    I'm not sure, but I think... by my count... this is the fourth time I've made it into an actual iSteve post, but this is the first time you've combined two of my comments. I was seriously thinking today that I need to ask Ron to give my Anon posts back to my sometime pseudonym. But I fear getting doxxed and being unemployable... Maybe I should stop being a wuss and embrace reality... (I'm already pretty much unemployable...)

    “I’m not sure, but I think… by my count… this is the fourth time I’ve made it into an actual iSteve post, but this is the first time you’ve combined two of my comments”

    Meh. I dropped an “Inherit the Wind” reference in one of the Miller/Acosta posts. At least give me a wee bit of credit.

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  11. Olorin says:

    Next you’ll be telling us Hamilton! is history.

    http://www.doesgodexist.org/JanFeb00/TheMythOfTheScopesTrial.html

    http://professorbuzzkill.com/scopes-trial-myths/

    https://www.au.org/church-state/julyaugust-2000-church-state/featured/inherit-the-myth

    Compare:

    https://howlingpixel.com/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District

    And Judge John Jones’s decision:

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2426499-kitzmiller-v-dover-decision.html

    See especially Eric Rothschild’s framing of protoscience versus pseudoscience.

    We might ponder whether at the present moment, HBD on gender is protoscience. While SJW on gender is pseudoscience, as well as religion, which should be barred from public schools on the grounds of separation of church and state.

    But I’m not sure of what consists the legal proofs for a belief system being a religion as opposed to, say, pseudoscience or outright mental delusion.

    Also we can expect the left to be as allergic to any rule of law on gender, never mind race. Long marches and institutions and all.

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  12. @Achilles
    Uh oh

    Google litigant killed in self-driving car accident

    SAN JOSE, California (AP) -- A Santa Clara county man was killed in a freak accident Thursday morning when a self-driving car operated by Google Inc. jumped a street curb and struck him.

    James Damore, 29, of Mountain View had just emerged from a Starbucks coffee shop in Sunnyvale when the driverless car, which had pulled to the side of the road in front of the shop and appeared to be malfunctioning, suddenly started moving again, striking Mr. Damore. EMT personnel called to the scene found Mr. Damore unconscious and transported him to a local hospital where he was declared dead.

    Mr. Damore made national headlines earlier this month when his employment at Google was terminated after the company learned he harbored inappropriate thoughts about women in the STEM field. Mr. Damore countered his firing by filing a wrongful termination lawsuit against Google.

    A spokesman for Google expressed regret for the accident. She further stated that the problem resulting in the accident has been corrected and that the public is in no danger from Google's self-driving cars.
     

    Classic. Well done. 3000 years later and Achillies is still the man.

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  13. Its kind of amazing how this thing has shaken up the normies I know like nothing else.

    Years of envelope pushing, and this is what did it. I figured that it would be something involving trannies, but firing a dude for saying men and women are individuals has hit some chord.

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    Its kind of amazing how this thing has shaken up the normies I know like nothing else.
     
    Can you give an idea of how they are reacting in personal conversations? Are they more shaken or just angry at Damore?
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  14. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @candid_observer
    Steve, there is a perfection to your fantasy.

    It would make for a great play. But make the Dershowitz character Johnny Cochrane instead and cast him with a black actor, as a shield against charges of racism.

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    • Replies: @CK
    It cannot be an important legal case without a Kardashian can it?
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  15. Ah, I see. I guess now I know how to restore everybody’s faith in the brainpower of Google’s leadership. Clearly they want to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. What could serve their purposes better than losing such a trial? Recruiting some of the Damores of this world would remain possible for them – as would attracting high-achieving women of the Wojcicki- and Sandberg-type who insist on receiving ideological support. Losing the legal game seems to be the winning move here. (Actually I doubt that they were shooting for such an outcome, but they might well get it.)

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  16. dearieme says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    I would expect to eventually hear a private recording of Hillary laughing about how she destroyed Damore and saved a monster, as she did way back on that rape trial. She would find a way to cheat, destroy evidence and get Google off.

    BTW, it's William Jennings Bryan. No T. I'm glad I'm not the only one who screws up names and spells wrong. I'm much, much worse. You can delete this comment if you like. I don't want to be a pedant, just a helper.

    “I don’t want to be a pedant, …” There’s a British blog where the convention is to spell that noun as ‘pendant’. The joke improves with repetition.

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    • Replies: @carol
    Oh, like the blogs where commenters use "tenants" instead of "tenets."

    More accustomed to talking about their renters no doubt.
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  18. Ben Kurtz says: • Website

    I’ve looked at the underlying California law, and will put my hand up as more qualified than most to interpret it and state an opinion. I think the kid has a case.

    https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2017/08/08/googles-apparent-violation-of-cal-lab-code-%C2%A7-1101-et-seq/

    It would be a darn good time if he took it all the way to trial, turning down any lucrative settlement offers that Google might throw his way after they tire of the negative publicity.

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    He should do to Google what this company did to Disney - drag them right up to the start of a trial and then settle for beaucoup bucks.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/disney-pays-at-least-dollar177-million-to-settle-pink-slime-case-filing/ar-AApKrQR?OCID=ansmsnnews11
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  19. Ulysses says:

    Yeah, it was a stage trial. The outcome was never in doubt. Bryan only did it to try to get back at Darrow after Darrow prevented the execution of Leopold and Loeb in their trial the year before.

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  20. @whorefinder
    Wasn't the Scopes Monkey trial a pure show---i.e. "fake"--- trial? I mean, wasn't it a set-up and publicity stunt so the town in Tennessee could get Darrow and Bryan and a bunch of press and evolution could get a boost? I mean, Darrow cross examined Bryan, the supposed opposing attorney, for crying out loud---and Bryan didn't get to cross examine Darrow. It wasn't a real legal trial, just a staged trial.

    Much of the 1920s was about press-grabbing and fads. Flag pole sitting grabbed attention, so people did it. Babe Ruth smashed dingers and made big bold and funny statements and people ate it up. Or how women's golf became faddish. Or how the flapper look and lifestyle---women dressed in short dresses, getting drunk, partying, and having boycuts---was all the rage.

    I think it had something to do with the combination of the heady economic times of the 20s and the new technology of radio making it a "brand new world" where the rules for advertising on the medium weren't established, so people felt freer to try bizarre stunts. Much like how the early days of the internet had such weird web designs and strange businesses.

    WF,

    I doubt that Dayton Tennessee had a plan in place to create the “Monkey Trial” by hiring John T. Scopes to challenge the laws on the teaching of evolution.

    Scopes was probably a evolutionary guy, and as a young man, he could get away with challenging the educational orthodoxy without too many lingering effects. I know lots of young teachers who grumble about the curriculum, and who quietly do what they want in the classroom.

    Didn’t Bryan set himself up as an expert on the Bible, so wasn’t it appropriate for Darrow to cross-examine him as a witness?

    Unusual, yes. Probably wouldn’t be allowed today. But lawyers have the right to cross-examine witnesses for the other side.

    Bryan was rightly viewed as a champion of the common man, and in his “Cross of Gold” speech, he opposed the national government’s policies that would have benefited the big banks at the expense of ordinary Americans.

    Well, that didn’t change.

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    I doubt that Dayton Tennessee had a plan in place to create the “Monkey Trial” by hiring John T. Scopes to challenge the laws on the teaching of evolution.
     
    Pretty much, yes, that's exactly what happened.

    Scopes's involvement in the so-called Scopes Monkey Trial came about after the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) announced that it would finance a test case challenging the constitutionality of the Butler Act if they could find a Tennessee teacher who was willing to act as a defendant.

    A band of businessmen in Dayton, Tennessee, led by engineer and geologist George Rappleyea, saw this as an opportunity to get publicity for their town and they approached Scopes.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_T._Scopes
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  21. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @whorefinder

    I would expect to eventually hear a private recording of Hillary laughing about how she destroyed Damore and saved a monster, as she did way back on that rape trial. She would find a way to cheat, destroy evidence and get Google off
     
    I honestly don't count that as one of Hillary's sins, at least from what I've heard. Criminal defense attorneys often have a gallows humor for their clients, for the same reason undertakers and gravediggers and executioners reportedly did: it's the only way to psychologically deal with their job, otherwise they'd go crazy. And the criminal defense biz often requires them to make really dark arguments for the sake of their clients' rights. It's not a pleasant thing, but neither is shoveling shit or chopping someone's head off, and somebody is sometimes required to do that on a regular basis.

    “I honestly don’t count that as one of Hillary’s sins, at least from what I’ve heard. Criminal defense attorneys often have a gallows humor for their clients, for the same reason undertakers and gravediggers and executioners reportedly did: it’s the only way to psychologically deal with their job, otherwise they’d go crazy.”

    Say what you will, but when the victim was 12 years old ….

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  22. CK says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    It would make for a great play. But make the Dershowitz character Johnny Cochrane instead and cast him with a black actor, as a shield against charges of racism.

    It cannot be an important legal case without a Kardashian can it?

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  23. Jack D says:

    (I’d volunteer to report on the trial, but only if there is air-conditioning.)

    You can bet if Hillary was there, they would be air-conditioning the hell out of that courtroom. Remember when Hillary got “heat stroke” at the 9/11 ceremony on a 78 degree day? That rubber diaper cover or whatever she’s got going on there under the pantsuit (I shudder to picture it) must be hot.

    During the real Scopes trial they moved the proceedings outdoors due to excessive heat. Much of the South was brutal in the summer in pre-air conditioning days but a crowded court room would have been unbearable. Every human gives off 600 BTUs of heat.

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    There is a short story by Guy de Maupassant.
    I do not remember the story's title, in which, at a public speech the speaker claims at the end:
    “Essentially the difference between men and women is very small [ la petite difference (in French)].
    Here some excited lady in the back of the auditorium jumps to her feet and shouts:
    [Vive la petite difference !!! ] [Long life to the small difference !!!].
    Thanks God I can't reproduce it phonetically here, indeed,
    as my late grandmother repeatedly said to me
    "tu parles francais comme une vache espagnole".


    My best to Jack D
    , @res

    Every human gives off 600 BTUs of heat
     
    Interesting. I did not know that. To be more precise it looks like the average is 400 BTU per hour when sitting and 600 BTU per hour when standing. See the table at the bottom of this page

    Worth mentioning that air conditioning unit specification BTUs are implicitly per hour.
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  24. Jack D says:
    @Paul Jolliffe
    WF,

    I doubt that Dayton Tennessee had a plan in place to create the "Monkey Trial" by hiring John T. Scopes to challenge the laws on the teaching of evolution.

    Scopes was probably a evolutionary guy, and as a young man, he could get away with challenging the educational orthodoxy without too many lingering effects. I know lots of young teachers who grumble about the curriculum, and who quietly do what they want in the classroom.

    Didn't Bryan set himself up as an expert on the Bible, so wasn't it appropriate for Darrow to cross-examine him as a witness?

    Unusual, yes. Probably wouldn't be allowed today. But lawyers have the right to cross-examine witnesses for the other side.

    Bryan was rightly viewed as a champion of the common man, and in his "Cross of Gold" speech, he opposed the national government's policies that would have benefited the big banks at the expense of ordinary Americans.

    Well, that didn't change.

    I doubt that Dayton Tennessee had a plan in place to create the “Monkey Trial” by hiring John T. Scopes to challenge the laws on the teaching of evolution.

    Pretty much, yes, that’s exactly what happened.

    Scopes’s involvement in the so-called Scopes Monkey Trial came about after the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) announced that it would finance a test case challenging the constitutionality of the Butler Act if they could find a Tennessee teacher who was willing to act as a defendant.

    A band of businessmen in Dayton, Tennessee, led by engineer and geologist George Rappleyea, saw this as an opportunity to get publicity for their town and they approached Scopes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_T._Scopes

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    Fascinating.

    I had no idea. Thanks for the information.
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  25. @Jack D

    (I’d volunteer to report on the trial, but only if there is air-conditioning.)
     
    You can bet if Hillary was there, they would be air-conditioning the hell out of that courtroom. Remember when Hillary got "heat stroke" at the 9/11 ceremony on a 78 degree day? That rubber diaper cover or whatever she's got going on there under the pantsuit (I shudder to picture it) must be hot.

    During the real Scopes trial they moved the proceedings outdoors due to excessive heat. Much of the South was brutal in the summer in pre-air conditioning days but a crowded court room would have been unbearable. Every human gives off 600 BTUs of heat.

    There is a short story by Guy de Maupassant.
    I do not remember the story’s title, in which, at a public speech the speaker claims at the end:
    “Essentially the difference between men and women is very small [ la petite difference (in French)].
    Here some excited lady in the back of the auditorium jumps to her feet and shouts:
    [Vive la petite difference !!! ] [Long life to the small difference !!!].
    Thanks God I can’t reproduce it phonetically here, indeed,
    as my late grandmother repeatedly said to me
    “tu parles francais comme une vache espagnole”.

    My best to Jack D

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    I did not know the history of that phrase (if Maupassant was indeed the one who first coined it) but it's interesting that he put it in the mouth of a woman.

    In the US, "vive la différence" used to be used as a humorous exclamation by a man upon sighting a shapely woman (meaning approximately "I'm so glad that God gave women curves in places where men don't have them") but I suspect nowadays you might get sent to the gulag for saying such things because as we all know today, there is no différence, not even a petite one.
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  26. carol says:
    @dearieme
    "I don’t want to be a pedant, ..." There's a British blog where the convention is to spell that noun as 'pendant'. The joke improves with repetition.

    Oh, like the blogs where commenters use “tenants” instead of “tenets.”

    More accustomed to talking about their renters no doubt.

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  27. Mr. Anon says:

    (I’d volunteer to report on the trial, but only if there is air-conditioning.)

    Hey, that makes you Gene Kelly.

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  28. Didn’t Hillary surrender her law license, or was that Moochelle, or both of them?

    Facts seem to get in the way of that little fantasy.

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  29. @Ben Kurtz
    I've looked at the underlying California law, and will put my hand up as more qualified than most to interpret it and state an opinion. I think the kid has a case.

    https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2017/08/08/googles-apparent-violation-of-cal-lab-code-%C2%A7-1101-et-seq/

    It would be a darn good time if he took it all the way to trial, turning down any lucrative settlement offers that Google might throw his way after they tire of the negative publicity.

    He should do to Google what this company did to Disney – drag them right up to the start of a trial and then settle for beaucoup bucks.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/disney-pays-at-least-dollar177-million-to-settle-pink-slime-case-filing/ar-AApKrQR?OCID=ansmsnnews11

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  30. res says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Its kind of amazing how this thing has shaken up the normies I know like nothing else.

    Years of envelope pushing, and this is what did it. I figured that it would be something involving trannies, but firing a dude for saying men and women are individuals has hit some chord.

    Its kind of amazing how this thing has shaken up the normies I know like nothing else.

    Can you give an idea of how they are reacting in personal conversations? Are they more shaken or just angry at Damore?

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    They're mad/angry at Google for firing someone for having a reasonable opinion and coming to the realisation that the spergs in SV don't have their best intentions at heart.
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  31. res says:
    @Jack D

    (I’d volunteer to report on the trial, but only if there is air-conditioning.)
     
    You can bet if Hillary was there, they would be air-conditioning the hell out of that courtroom. Remember when Hillary got "heat stroke" at the 9/11 ceremony on a 78 degree day? That rubber diaper cover or whatever she's got going on there under the pantsuit (I shudder to picture it) must be hot.

    During the real Scopes trial they moved the proceedings outdoors due to excessive heat. Much of the South was brutal in the summer in pre-air conditioning days but a crowded court room would have been unbearable. Every human gives off 600 BTUs of heat.

    Every human gives off 600 BTUs of heat

    Interesting. I did not know that. To be more precise it looks like the average is 400 BTU per hour when sitting and 600 BTU per hour when standing. See the table at the bottom of this page

    Worth mentioning that air conditioning unit specification BTUs are implicitly per hour.

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  32. Jack D says:
    @Immigrant from former USSR
    There is a short story by Guy de Maupassant.
    I do not remember the story's title, in which, at a public speech the speaker claims at the end:
    “Essentially the difference between men and women is very small [ la petite difference (in French)].
    Here some excited lady in the back of the auditorium jumps to her feet and shouts:
    [Vive la petite difference !!! ] [Long life to the small difference !!!].
    Thanks God I can't reproduce it phonetically here, indeed,
    as my late grandmother repeatedly said to me
    "tu parles francais comme une vache espagnole".


    My best to Jack D

    I did not know the history of that phrase (if Maupassant was indeed the one who first coined it) but it’s interesting that he put it in the mouth of a woman.

    In the US, “vive la différence” used to be used as a humorous exclamation by a man upon sighting a shapely woman (meaning approximately “I’m so glad that God gave women curves in places where men don’t have them”) but I suspect nowadays you might get sent to the gulag for saying such things because as we all know today, there is no différence, not even a petite one.

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    Dear Jack D :
    Thank you for being so polite in correcting "vive la différence".
    I did not remember from High School times, where one should put Accent aigu as in "é",
    but I do remember the sound "diferahnce".
    You can send me to gulag for the saying, attributed to Nobel Prize winner L. D. Landau,
    who was quite a womanizer, and quite a connoisseur of mathematics and quite a Physicist:
    "Integral without differential dx as in ∫f(x)
    is like a lady without breasts: nothing to hold upon".
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  33. @Buzz Mohawk
    I would expect to eventually hear a private recording of Hillary laughing about how she destroyed Damore and saved a monster, as she did way back on that rape trial. She would find a way to cheat, destroy evidence and get Google off.

    BTW, it's William Jennings Bryan. No T. I'm glad I'm not the only one who screws up names and spells wrong. I'm much, much worse. You can delete this comment if you like. I don't want to be a pedant, just a helper.

    “BTW, it’s William Jennings Bryan. No T.”

    Yes, too many people confuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Jennings_Bryan with
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Bryant , who is famous for her “Cross of Gold” speech.

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  34. @res

    Its kind of amazing how this thing has shaken up the normies I know like nothing else.
     
    Can you give an idea of how they are reacting in personal conversations? Are they more shaken or just angry at Damore?

    They’re mad/angry at Google for firing someone for having a reasonable opinion and coming to the realisation that the spergs in SV don’t have their best intentions at heart.

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    That's encouraging. Thanks. Have they been able to figure that out through the funhouse lens of the mass media or are non-conventional sites getting enough traction to be heard on this (or...)?

    FWIW I don't think the spergs are the problem here, though SV certainly is.
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  35. @Jack D
    I did not know the history of that phrase (if Maupassant was indeed the one who first coined it) but it's interesting that he put it in the mouth of a woman.

    In the US, "vive la différence" used to be used as a humorous exclamation by a man upon sighting a shapely woman (meaning approximately "I'm so glad that God gave women curves in places where men don't have them") but I suspect nowadays you might get sent to the gulag for saying such things because as we all know today, there is no différence, not even a petite one.

    Dear Jack D :
    Thank you for being so polite in correcting “vive la différence”.
    I did not remember from High School times, where one should put Accent aigu as in “é”,
    but I do remember the sound “diferahnce”.
    You can send me to gulag for the saying, attributed to Nobel Prize winner L. D. Landau,
    who was quite a womanizer, and quite a connoisseur of mathematics and quite a Physicist:
    “Integral without differential dx as in ∫f(x)
    is like a lady without breasts: nothing to hold upon”.

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  36. res says:
    @Jack Hanson
    They're mad/angry at Google for firing someone for having a reasonable opinion and coming to the realisation that the spergs in SV don't have their best intentions at heart.

    That’s encouraging. Thanks. Have they been able to figure that out through the funhouse lens of the mass media or are non-conventional sites getting enough traction to be heard on this (or…)?

    FWIW I don’t think the spergs are the problem here, though SV certainly is.

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  37. Hey, its the guy from Dragnet and M*A*S*H

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  38. @Jack D

    I doubt that Dayton Tennessee had a plan in place to create the “Monkey Trial” by hiring John T. Scopes to challenge the laws on the teaching of evolution.
     
    Pretty much, yes, that's exactly what happened.

    Scopes's involvement in the so-called Scopes Monkey Trial came about after the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) announced that it would finance a test case challenging the constitutionality of the Butler Act if they could find a Tennessee teacher who was willing to act as a defendant.

    A band of businessmen in Dayton, Tennessee, led by engineer and geologist George Rappleyea, saw this as an opportunity to get publicity for their town and they approached Scopes.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_T._Scopes

    Fascinating.

    I had no idea. Thanks for the information.

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