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From Town & Country:

A Manhattan Private School Cancels Skating Party at Trump Rink

Dalton parents reportedly refused to send their kids to the party in protest of the president.

by SAM DANGREMOND
FEB 17, 2017

This is a story—like so many Upper East Side stories—that has its origins in the weird and wild 1980s. During that decade, the city of New York had promised to renovate Central Park’s Wollman Rink in two years, but the beloved landmark remained closed instead for six. In stepped Donald Trump, who convinced Mayor Ed Koch to let him finish the work in four months as long as he could manage the venue.

Trump made good on his side of the deal, and Wollman Rink is still managed by the Trump Organization today.

But the association with our new president apparently didn’t sit well with an elite Manhattan private school that counts Anderson Cooper and Claire Danes among its alumni.

According to the New York Post, the Dalton School canceled its annual skating party, “Dalton on Ice,” because “parents refused to send their kids in protest of the president.”

From Dalton’s website:

Tuition for 2016-17 in Grades K-12 is $44,640, which is among the lowest of our peer schools. … Depending on a student’s interests and needs, and to foster equity, there may be additional funds available for programs which require payment beyond tuition (such as the After School Program, global trips or student activities in the high school.)

Back to Town & Country:

The parent characterized Dalton as “definitely a progressive school,” and said “it’s a very diverse community.” …

… “How difficult is it to find an alternative venue without the controversy and ickiness attached to it?”

I’ve often mentioned how the word “controversy” has changed implications over my lifetime from positive to negative.

But “ickiness” is an illuminating word that helps us understand the latest stage of Ruling Class ideological evolution: Dalton parents fear that their children would be exposed to ritual pollution and thus risk losing their Brahmin caste status and drift down toward the horrors of Deplorableness.

Any good Hindu could have explained it to you at any point since the Aryan Invasion of India.

According to economic historian Gregory Clark’s research on surnames, India has by far the least social mobility of any major country.

To Dalton parents, whose children have nowhere to go except down, declining social mobility due to growing religious / status purity taboos is a feature, not a bug.

 
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  1. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Speaking of the Wollman Rink:

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    • LOL: Clyde, Romanian
    • Replies: @Kylie
    Well done!
    , @Lot
    http://imgur.com/a/04pyc
    , @BenKenobi
    Damn Pinsen... so The Man himself quotes you on twitter and Ann Coulter also follows you?

    That's some serious social media kung-fu, my friend.
    , @Opinionator
    Did our Dave spark the entire movement with this one tweet?
    , @anonguy
    Kudos on that!
    , @Dissident
    So on or prior to December 14th, 2014 you tweeted that to now-President DJT?

    What made you think, all the way back then, that DJT was "the man to do it" ?
    , @Rifleman
    OT. Here's a Univ of Virginia story not about that Haven guy or the Rolling Stone hoax.

    Remember Obama invited Rolling Stone publisher to White House to talk about Fake News AFTER Rolling Stone lost it's court case over their fakenews story about Univ of Virginia frat boy rape hoax.

    Well here's the real news about White Female Bodies being targeted for destruction in Virginia.

    Any theories on why this didn't become a bigger story or one about Race in America?
    , @Perspective
    Well done sir! You are now one of the most deplorable of the deplorables!
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  2. Kylie says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of the Wollman Rink:
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/544475534227693568

    Well done!

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    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
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  3. “it’s a very diverse community.” …

    Which invariably means “Everyone here thinks exactly alike, and any hint of nonconformity is punished.”

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    • Agree: Triumph104, Old fogey
    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    They have Asians as well as Jews.
    , @Mr. Anon
    The word "diverse" gets put, unthinkingly, into all sorts of statements nowadays. It is de rigueur in any kind of statement made by a large organization about itself ("we have a diverse workforce....etc.") whether it is true or not; oftentimes small organizations too.

    It is nothing but cant.

    , @ganderson
    I live in a New England latte town. We took our youngest, who was not thriving at the local public school, and sent him to a New Hampshire prep school. His comment to me was "at least my teachers won't all be commies!" I told him that he was wrong. I was correct.

    I used to teach in the New York City private school world. I think many of the teachers at places like Dalton are extra SJW, as they feel guilty about not teaching at someplace like Julia Richman HS. Not guilty enough to actually teach there, of course...

    , @Fredrik
    I think they're genuine. What they mean is that the dads work both on buy and sell sides down on Wall Street.
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  4. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Shiite. Deplorables are now…

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Anon, since you seem to be on top of this caste dealy, are we deplorables above or below the untouchables? My toilet's been leaking and I just wanted to know whether to go to the hardware store for another flapper valve or to let it go, if we have been living above our caste-level and shan't be needing this contraption anymore.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Anon, since you seem to be on top of this caste dealy, are we deplorables above or below the untouchables? My toilet’s been leaking and I just wanted to know whether to go to the hardware store for another flapper valve or to let it go, if we have been living above our caste-level and shan’t be needing this contraption anymore.
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  5. There’s an interesting documentary that follows a black kid through Dalton (K-12) and watches him struggle to keep up- Manohla Dargis quite typically disapproved of the kid’s parents not being more woke, and for their blaming his lack of academic success on his lack of effort rather than on impersonal forces of racism-

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/10/18/movies/american-promise-a-documentary-on-dalton-students.html

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.pbs.org/pov/americanpromise/about-the-characters/amp/?client=safari

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    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Yeah, that's always the dark underbelly of the Cult of Equality. If a kid or group isn't doing as well as the group, somebody must be at fault.

    Naturally, whites are the "go-to" group. But when a middle-class or higher black kid with both parents at home attends a prep school or college with "good whites," the Good Whites start to look around for another cause, which inevitably leads back to the black kid or his/her parents. (Sometimes that blame "institutional racism" but I suspect that even they don't quite buy that.)

    It'd be like reasonably smart white kids being chastised because they were failing to become physicists. Why don't you study harder? Why are your teachers failing you? Why doesn't your community value physics? Etc.

    It's all quite silly, but that's our world.
    , @Triumph104
    TV weatherman Al Roker's daughter attended Dalton until she started struggling in middle school. She conveniently discovered her passion for acting and attended Fiorello H. Laguardia High School Of Music & Art and Performing Arts, the FAME high school.

    The elite private schools in New York City accept kindergartners with strong social skills and parents with impressive job titles or high incomes. Everything is fine until 6th grade when the academics become rigorous. Kids who can't keep up are "counseled out" or leave on their own steam. They are replaced by ninth graders who test in the 99th percentile and have a strong chance of being admitted to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, or Stanford. College placement is what attracts parents to these prep schools.

    Elite schools aren't good; they are just good at cherry-picking.

    My guess is that in the 90s, prep schools across the US were told to diversify or the HYPS-type would no longer consider their students for admission, which is why Dalton kids can't skate at Trump's rink. In the documentary American Promise, the boys are among the first wave of intentionally diverse students.

    One boy is the son of a doctor and lawyer/documentarian, Harvard Medical School and Columbia Law School. The other boy is the son of a nurse and engineer. Both mothers are immigrants. Since the boys were academic duds, none of their siblings got a shot a Dalton. The other son of the doctor and lawyer wound up at Brooklyn Friends.
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  6. kek says:

    Wow even children parties are now being politicized by the insane Left. My guess is that the children are more mature than the parents and could actually handle a day a Wollman Rink without be emotionally scarred for life.

    One day the History books may write that those living in 2017 were witness to the death of Socialism and the Democrat party. That’s the party the parents should have stayed away from.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Wow even children parties are now being politicized by the insane Left."

    Politicized, yes. Insane left, no.

    I wonder if the rink had been funded by the Soros Foundation would there have been a similar reaction by the conservative crowd.

    "My guess is that the children are more mature than the parents and could actually handle a day a Wollman Rink without be emotionally scarred for life."

    Yes.

    "One day the History books may write that those living in 2017 were witness to the death of Socialism and the Democrat party. That’s the party the parents should have stayed away from."

    It's not the party or its ideologies, it's the people running it. Don't forget that important point.
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  7. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Another Dalton alumnus is Matt Yglesias.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    Dalton didn't stop downward mobility for MY.

    His maternal grandfather started one of the largest economic consulting firms in the USA and likely made more than $10 million from this. His paternal grandparents published a collective 20 books and a ton of highbrow magazine articles. His father wrote his first novel at 15, dropped out of high school, and had it published when he was 17. He also invested in Greenwich Village real estate when it was cheap. MY does not seem to be doing bad, but Logan Circle isn't that nice and Vox is ranked 404 on Alexa (Breitbart is 29).

    , @Jacobite
    I don't even know who Matt Yglesias is. I somehow think I should be grateful for that.
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  8. When he demits office, I hope he leaves NY for much safer locales. And that goes for his family too. Many do not realise it, but this is the end for NYC too.

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    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    Many do not realise it, but this is the end for NYC too.

    Why? The coming economic collapse won't do much good for the city, but "the end?"
    , @artichoke
    NYC may have problems, but all the other major cities have worse problems, including London and all the cities in Europe. China's going heavy communist now so they're not competitive any more either. NYC is now clearly the top city in the world, but we do need a new Mayor.
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  9. “definitely a progressive school,” and said “it’s a very diverse community.”

    We have rich white people, rich black people, rich latino people, rich asian people, rich indian people, rich middle eastern people….

    And all share the same progressive world view. Diver$ity.

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    It is somewhat surprising these are the kinds of issues they focus on and that their reaction is so emotional. I can't see the 19th or early 20th century elites getting this worked up over such a minor issue or using a word like "icky." Is it just on autopilot for them? Because they are rich and powerful now, their families will be forever?
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  10. guest says:

    “I’ve often mentioned how the word ‘controversy’ has changed implications over my lifetime from positive to negative”

    Do you remember before 1959? That year saw the publication of Jacques Barzun’s House of Intellect. As I recall, it contains a bon mot along the lines of (paraphrasing): we call “controversial” that over which we aren’t allowed to have controversy.

    Then again, I don’t have the first edition, so I can’t vouch for it having been in there from the beginning.

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    "Controversial" - something that is generally popular but does not enjoy elite support.

    See also: "Outspoken" - voicing unpopular ideas that have elite blessing.
    , @Karl
    10 guest > Do you remember before 1959?

    well, yeah I do. US telephone numbers had local-names as their prefix; ie, were NOT all numbers.

    US telephone area codes had a middle digit which MUST BE a "0" or a "1".

    There were no postal zip codes. IE, the US post office only hired people who knew how to read handwritten full addresses.

    There weren't many products sold at retail, in aerosol cans. Raise your hand if you remember the political angle (ok, it's really just a tangent) to those...
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  11. SFG says:

    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.

    There’s a definite subtext of old money versus new money, Manhattan versus the outer boroughs, to this Trump thing, I can tell you. But I think the ethnic hysteria is probably the predominant factor. A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they’re worried.

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    • Agree: Broski
    • Replies: @Formerly CARealist
    Don't fantasize about another man's wife. You can see the crazy when it comes to fearing an ice rink and its associated hexes, so don't let your own mind go to the gutter with Ms. Johansson.

    I, of course, would never be guilty of such a sin! oh mercy, no.
    , @Kyle McKenna
    If you can see why they're worried, you must have x-ray vision, or something.
    , @Opinionator
    but I can see why they’re worried.

    Please explain.
    , @syonredux

    A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they’re worried.
     
    Really?
    , @Joe Walker
    If Jews are so afraid of American gentiles then I wish they would move to Israel to get away from us. It must be some kind of mental illness that makes Jews want to live in countries whose majority populations terrify them.
    , @ben tillman

    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.
     
    That's hard to believe. This is a linguistic atrocity:


    Tuition for 2016-17 in Grades K-12 is $44,640, which is among the lowest of our peer schools. … Depending on a student’s interests and needs, and to foster equity, there may be additional funds available for programs which require payment beyond tuition (such as the After School Program, global trips or student activities in the high school.)
     
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Okay, so you bedded Scarlet Johansson, but will she bear your child? If not, your just another one-night stand.
    , @Mr. Anon

    A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they’re worried.
     
    Because they're paranoid? Because that's the only reason I can fathom. It doesn't take a genius to see that Trump is not exactly Heinrich Himmler.

    Okay, some people are paranoid. I get it. But I'm generally of the opinion that their paranoia should be their problem, not ours.

    , @David Davenport
    A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they’re worried.

    SFG, what sort of things do these people say?
    , @Chrisnonymous
    I heard Scarlet Johanssen is worried too. Vanishing 1% chances and all that...
    , @slumber_j

    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.
     
    I don't think so: Brearley comes to mind for girls, as do Collegiate and St. Bernard's for boys. It may be the best coeducational school, although even that isn't clear. And the people associated with Dalton tend to be really wretched in my experience.
    , @AnotherDad

    A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they’re worried.
     
    Uh ... no. I don't want to underestimate Jewish paranoia--and even outright lunacy--cause it's definitely a thing.

    But what these Jews are actually afraid of is the reverse. They are genuinely afraid that Trump is going to stop them from exterminating us (white American gentiles).


    I think a large chunk of this hysteria is simply that Jews--and their co-opted gentile fellow travelers--of this class thought they had *already* won. They'd marched through the institutions, they hold the commanding heights, they have all politicians dancing their tune. They have established rule by a cozy self-selecting oligarchy, which lives very, very well--Wall Street to Washington--by looting a big continental nation, of white developed prosperous bounty. And they basically thought this whole "democracy" and "republic" stuff was ... *over*. They are in control, have balkanized the nation with minoritarian ideology and ethnic identity and were bringing in ringers to reduce the actual American people whose ancestors built the nation to an ineffectual rump. And imposed PC so no one is allowed to talk about any of it.

    And then up shows Trump. Packing in rallies of flyover folks who think the nation actually belongs to them!

    Yeah, they are pissed and hysterical, but it's not because there's any even quasi-rational thought that Trump hates Jews or that there's even a fantasy chance of forced exile or pogroms, much less camps, gas and ovens. It's the their theft of a nation has been .... potentially? ... perhaps? ... paused ... ?
    , @Art
    A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them,

    Of course these feeling are 100% the result of guilt.
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  12. Barron Trump attends Columbia Grammar. More traditional education than Dalton, but I’d guess quite liberal. Add Secret Service, and school can’t be easy for the kid.

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    I will never understand why the Trump kids go to school. If I had Trump level money, I'd go full nineteenth century and have private tutors/governesses. Ivanka was so miserable at school she used to call her father collect from the janitor's closet during lunch. It's a cute story, as he'd interrupt business meetings to take her calls, but I was just left wondering why he didn't yank her out of school entirely. But then, I'm not Trump level rich, so what do I know? I'm sure the networking options at these schools are fantastic.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3700544/He-pick-phone-single-time-Ivanka-Trump-tells-sweet-story-calling-dad-collect-everyday-janitor-s-closet-school.html
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  13. @SFG
    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.

    There's a definite subtext of old money versus new money, Manhattan versus the outer boroughs, to this Trump thing, I can tell you. But I think the ethnic hysteria is probably the predominant factor. A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they're worried.

    Don’t fantasize about another man’s wife. You can see the crazy when it comes to fearing an ice rink and its associated hexes, so don’t let your own mind go to the gutter with Ms. Johansson.

    I, of course, would never be guilty of such a sin! oh mercy, no.

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    • Replies: @SFG
    Just in case: generic example of very attractive Hollywood star. A few decades ago I used Cindy Crawford, then Monica Bellucci.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Formerly, My wife has granted me a Faith Hill dispensation, in case I ever have the opportunity. Previously she had granted me a Jaclyn Smith dispensation, but turned down my Sophia Loren request.
    , @Dieter Kief
    öhh - fabulous generic example of very attractive Hollywood star (SFG) Ms. Johansson was quoted in the local paper here at the southern end of Germany about open marriage - that she thinks, that a marriage has to be open - that a marriage necessarily i s open (by it's very - human - nature), if real and so forth. - She seems to think a lot about the stone age 'n' stuff - and seems to come to almost the same conclusions as Buffalo Joe's wife (well, "Buffalo Joe" resonates a little bit stone agean too, - if not stoneD ageaN, really - at least in my - somewhat - - experienced, even - - ears; I'd go so far 'n' admit that).
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  14. Broski says:

    Other notable alumni include Emma “Mattress Girl” Sulkowicz and Matthew Yglesias.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalton_School#Notable_people

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    • Replies: @Dahlia
    Funny. He recently made a smart ass comment on twitter - struck me as out of ignorance rather than malice - about farmers and wealth. Not much in common with FDR and Carter this one and now I know why.
    , @Anon
    Matt says he used to hang out with Ivanka in his high school days, it's a small circle for elite NY private schools.
    , @gcochran
    Jeffrey Epstein taught at Dalton.
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  15. The sad thing is that the Dalton parents are clueless to realize that many Prep schools have their own ice rinks and don’t have to share it or rent ice time. Columbia Grammar, Barron Trump’s school will probably willingly accept any donations from Trump.

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    • Replies: @keypusher
    Which prep schools are those?

    My daughter's school has its skating party at Wollman Rink in March; will be interesting to see if it follows suit.
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  16. Ivy says:

    My daughter and others in her generation might say that the Dalton contretemps is like an episode from Gossip Girl. Which shows will induce further Upper East, and Upper West Side reactions? Can Soho get in on the act? Is Bronxville too far afield to play?

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  17. @SFG
    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.

    There's a definite subtext of old money versus new money, Manhattan versus the outer boroughs, to this Trump thing, I can tell you. But I think the ethnic hysteria is probably the predominant factor. A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they're worried.

    If you can see why they’re worried, you must have x-ray vision, or something.

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  18. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them…”

    I have a very intelligent accomplished Jewish friend who falls in this category. He is a libertarian, not liberal, and did not vote for Clinton (or Trump). He’s pretty realistic and for the most part would probably fit in well on this site. But he seems genuinely scared of both Trump and Putin. It’s doesn’t seem rational, it seems like a form of ethnic PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder). Understandable, but not beneficial.

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    • Replies: @guest
    Whenever a car backfires they think Himmler is behind them with a Luger. Whenever the wind blows, they hear Cossacks unsheathing their swords. They're paranoid, which is one more reason not to listen to them.
    , @Kaz
    Putin is a genuinely awful person.

    Trump eh, his grandchildren and son in law are Jewish so that's odd.
    , @Murgatroyd

    But he seems genuinely scared of both Trump and Putin.
     
    The prospect of Trump as an American Putin is plenty worrying. Putin didn't "exterminate" the Jews of Russia, but his period of rule has seen a significant reduction in the wealth, influence, security and safety of Russian Jews. Any sign that Trump regards Putin as some sort of role model should set alarms ringing in the minds of American Jews. This isn't paranoia but common sense.
    , @JimB
    That is your friend's problem. The needs of 200 million American citizens outweigh his need to reelect Obama for a third term.
    , @NOTA
    I think Trump hits a lot of buttons that remind Jews of the kind of leaders who have traditionally roused the rabble to pogroms, as much as he does of Hitler. It's not crazy to have a long memory of a political movement that killed half your family tree off in a few years, but I do think that's led a lot of Jews to overreact to Trump.

    I say this as a guy who is not remotely a supporter of Trump--I think he's likely to do a lot of things I think are bad ideas, and I'd like a sane opposition that picks its battles and pushes back against the bad ideas without turning every bad policy into "OMG he's just like Hitler!!!"
    , @unpc downunder
    Trump's Jewish nickname should be Moses Hitler. Israelis seems to like him and most diaspora Jews hate him.
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  19. “How difficult is it to find an alternative venue without the controversy and ickiness attached to it?”

    Instead of metaphorically “Spiking the Football”or doing the “Whip, Nae Nae” with each Trump victory, this Deplorable might have to start doing the “Icky Shuffle”.

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  20. Cortes says:

    Funny because when I was growing up “Dalton School ” was for special needs kids, i.e., those a few pence short of the full shilling, intellectually:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7910158.stm

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  21. Lot says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of the Wollman Rink:
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/544475534227693568
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  22. Dahlia says:
    @Broski
    Other notable alumni include Emma "Mattress Girl" Sulkowicz and Matthew Yglesias.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalton_School#Notable_people

    Funny. He recently made a smart ass comment on twitter – struck me as out of ignorance rather than malice – about farmers and wealth. Not much in common with FDR and Carter this one and now I know why.

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  23. drahthaar says:

    Dalton Lower School on East 91st flies the LGBT rainbow flag over its main front door the opening week of school. I wonder if any parents or faculty find this . . . odd
    . . . for the little ones. When I asked a superprep last September why Dalton was not displaying instead the American or school flag, she replied, surprised and perturbed: “They’re not flying the Nazi flag or anything like that.”

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    • Replies: @markflag
    No, they are flying a flag that demands even stricter adherence to and behavioral conformance with the narrative.
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  24. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Broski
    Other notable alumni include Emma "Mattress Girl" Sulkowicz and Matthew Yglesias.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalton_School#Notable_people

    Matt says he used to hang out with Ivanka in his high school days, it’s a small circle for elite NY private schools.

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  25. BenKenobi says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of the Wollman Rink:
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/544475534227693568

    Damn Pinsen… so The Man himself quotes you on twitter and Ann Coulter also follows you?

    That’s some serious social media kung-fu, my friend.

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    Thanks, but to be fair, it was a little easier to get an RT from Trump in 2014.
    , @Dahlia
    Coulter? Nice!

    I'm followed by a couple moderately well-known conservative writers (very recently), which I find a little intimidating, but nothing is more intimidating to me than being followed by serious music lovers and critics: I'm not worthy!!!
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  26. guest says:
    @anonymous
    "A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them..."

    I have a very intelligent accomplished Jewish friend who falls in this category. He is a libertarian, not liberal, and did not vote for Clinton (or Trump). He's pretty realistic and for the most part would probably fit in well on this site. But he seems genuinely scared of both Trump and Putin. It's doesn't seem rational, it seems like a form of ethnic PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder). Understandable, but not beneficial.

    Whenever a car backfires they think Himmler is behind them with a Luger. Whenever the wind blows, they hear Cossacks unsheathing their swords. They’re paranoid, which is one more reason not to listen to them.

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    Just because they are paranoid doesn't mean Trump won't hire stunt men to dress up in Nazi uniforms and herd them at gunpoint onto cattle cars to take them by rail from New York City to both Auschwitz and Buchenwald! Because Nazis! And it is 1942 right now you know! And Bush was Hitler, and so was Reagan, and that other Bush too, but Trump is Hitler times infinity raised to the infinitieth power! Plus one! And panic too!

    If you don't believe me, just ask Judd Apatow.
    , @Robert Weissberg
    A result of years listening to fund raising appeals. Take my word for it--if you want Jews to give, scare them to death and after a point, they confuse fund raising with reality. Been there many times and it always works.
    , @Connecticut Famer
    Whenever a conservative (or a non-Liberal at least) is elected to higher office they see a pogrom in the making.
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  27. bjdubbs says:

    Donald Trump Jr. went to Buckley so the stain will never come out, they are polluted forever.

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  28. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    It says something about our age that it is considered classy to attend some trashy rap musical about the founding fathers, but YOU GOT THE COOTIES if you’re in any shape or form associated with Trump, the champion of the untouchables.

    Bring on the Deploracide.

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  29. @Spotted Toad
    There's an interesting documentary that follows a black kid through Dalton (K-12) and watches him struggle to keep up- Manohla Dargis quite typically disapproved of the kid's parents not being more woke, and for their blaming his lack of academic success on his lack of effort rather than on impersonal forces of racism-

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/10/18/movies/american-promise-a-documentary-on-dalton-students.html

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.pbs.org/pov/americanpromise/about-the-characters/amp/?client=safari

    Yeah, that’s always the dark underbelly of the Cult of Equality. If a kid or group isn’t doing as well as the group, somebody must be at fault.

    Naturally, whites are the “go-to” group. But when a middle-class or higher black kid with both parents at home attends a prep school or college with “good whites,” the Good Whites start to look around for another cause, which inevitably leads back to the black kid or his/her parents. (Sometimes that blame “institutional racism” but I suspect that even they don’t quite buy that.)

    It’d be like reasonably smart white kids being chastised because they were failing to become physicists. Why don’t you study harder? Why are your teachers failing you? Why doesn’t your community value physics? Etc.

    It’s all quite silly, but that’s our world.

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    Two of mine are in physics grad school, one a junior majoring in physics. Anyone can do it.
    , @Mr Mack Bolan
    It's all about genetics. Some people are born at a disatvantage, no matter how much they study they just don't get it. But fear not I believe scientists have isolated the intelligence gene.

    Soon everyone will have the opportunity to children with genetically enhanced IQs, or maybe not$$$$_$
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  30. Lot says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Another Dalton alumnus is Matt Yglesias.

    Dalton didn’t stop downward mobility for MY.

    His maternal grandfather started one of the largest economic consulting firms in the USA and likely made more than $10 million from this. His paternal grandparents published a collective 20 books and a ton of highbrow magazine articles. His father wrote his first novel at 15, dropped out of high school, and had it published when he was 17. He also invested in Greenwich Village real estate when it was cheap. MY does not seem to be doing bad, but Logan Circle isn’t that nice and Vox is ranked 404 on Alexa (Breitbart is 29).

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    Brahmin social status isn't about money. MY is extremely high-status because he's a famous journalist that Barack Obama frequently retweets.

    Donald Trump has lots of money and is President of the United States, but he is the lowest-status person in the entire world to Brahmins. Even Charles Manson is higher-status than Donald Trump.

    No, seriously. Work on Charles Manson's appeal pro bono, you can put that on your resumé when you're applying to white-shoe firms. File an amicus brief supporting Trump's executive order, better hope your state's GOP Attorney General has a job waiting for you, because you're never getting hired in the private sector again.
    , @Ed
    He's has to have an equity stake in Vox and it has attracted major equity investment. He's not downwardly mobile, this is laughable.
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  31. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @BenKenobi
    Damn Pinsen... so The Man himself quotes you on twitter and Ann Coulter also follows you?

    That's some serious social media kung-fu, my friend.

    Thanks, but to be fair, it was a little easier to get an RT from Trump in 2014.

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    Were you seriously suggesting he run, or were you just trying to get a RT for followers? Both?
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  32. @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of the Wollman Rink:
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/544475534227693568

    Did our Dave spark the entire movement with this one tweet?

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  33. @SFG
    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.

    There's a definite subtext of old money versus new money, Manhattan versus the outer boroughs, to this Trump thing, I can tell you. But I think the ethnic hysteria is probably the predominant factor. A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they're worried.

    but I can see why they’re worried.

    Please explain.

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  34. The Z Blog says: • Website

    Our betters are revolting because they think we are revolting.

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    "Our betters are revolting because they think we are revolting."

    And because they truly believe they are our betters.
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  35. Marina says:
    @Grumpy Old Man
    Barron Trump attends Columbia Grammar. More traditional education than Dalton, but I'd guess quite liberal. Add Secret Service, and school can't be easy for the kid.

    I will never understand why the Trump kids go to school. If I had Trump level money, I’d go full nineteenth century and have private tutors/governesses. Ivanka was so miserable at school she used to call her father collect from the janitor’s closet during lunch. It’s a cute story, as he’d interrupt business meetings to take her calls, but I was just left wondering why he didn’t yank her out of school entirely. But then, I’m not Trump level rich, so what do I know? I’m sure the networking options at these schools are fantastic.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3700544/He-pick-phone-single-time-Ivanka-Trump-tells-sweet-story-calling-dad-collect-everyday-janitor-s-closet-school.html

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    He probably sent them to school rather than home-schooled them so they could make the right social connections.
    , @SFG
    They don't get socialized. A huge portion of the whole high school experience is learning how to negotiate social networks. If you're not popular in high school you better be real good with computers.
    , @Mr. Anon

    I will never understand why the Trump kids go to school. If I had Trump level money, I’d go full nineteenth century and have private tutors/governesses.
     
    Like Phillip of Macedon, he could afford to have the World's greatest philosopher teach his son. Unfortunately, nowadays that would be Peter Singer, not Aristotle.
    , @Ttjy
    Why do they need to network, especially 10 year olds.

    I would hire a tutor and wouldn't subject my kids to school, even a nice private school.

    They can hang around other kids in their free time.

    When you have billions, you don't need a job.
    , @ScarletNumber

    I will never understand why the Trump kids go to school.
     
    Because home schooling is for losers.
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  36. snorlax says:
    @Lot
    Dalton didn't stop downward mobility for MY.

    His maternal grandfather started one of the largest economic consulting firms in the USA and likely made more than $10 million from this. His paternal grandparents published a collective 20 books and a ton of highbrow magazine articles. His father wrote his first novel at 15, dropped out of high school, and had it published when he was 17. He also invested in Greenwich Village real estate when it was cheap. MY does not seem to be doing bad, but Logan Circle isn't that nice and Vox is ranked 404 on Alexa (Breitbart is 29).

    Brahmin social status isn’t about money. MY is extremely high-status because he’s a famous journalist that Barack Obama frequently retweets.

    Donald Trump has lots of money and is President of the United States, but he is the lowest-status person in the entire world to Brahmins. Even Charles Manson is higher-status than Donald Trump.

    No, seriously. Work on Charles Manson’s appeal pro bono, you can put that on your resumé when you’re applying to white-shoe firms. File an amicus brief supporting Trump’s executive order, better hope your state’s GOP Attorney General has a job waiting for you, because you’re never getting hired in the private sector again.

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    because you’re never getting hired in the private sector again.

    Seriously?
    , @Lot
    Social conservative activists are not very welcome at top law firms, but corporate lawyers working for Fortune 500 companies are plenty conservative on economic issues. Look at the lawyers for the firms opposing abortion, affirmative action and gay rights v the ones opposing environmental regulations and defending monopolies.

    Kellyanne Conway's husband George is a litigator at Wachtell Lipton Rosen & Katz, which pays its first year lawyers about $300,000 a year and he is rumored to be the favorite for Trump's SG. They were both involved with Linda Tripp/Lucianne Goldberg in getting the Monica Lewinsky story out. (If you are wondering from the photos, he is half Filipino).
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  37. snorlax says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Thanks, but to be fair, it was a little easier to get an RT from Trump in 2014.

    Were you seriously suggesting he run, or were you just trying to get a RT for followers? Both?

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    I didn't expect to get an RT. I was being ironic (I didn't know how strong he'd be on immigration then). Trump had cited the Wollman Rink during a previous, abortive run for POTUS and a columnist had metaphorically rolled his eyes at that.
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  38. Dahlia says:
    @BenKenobi
    Damn Pinsen... so The Man himself quotes you on twitter and Ann Coulter also follows you?

    That's some serious social media kung-fu, my friend.

    Coulter? Nice!

    I’m followed by a couple moderately well-known conservative writers (very recently), which I find a little intimidating, but nothing is more intimidating to me than being followed by serious music lovers and critics: I’m not worthy!!!

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    nothing is more intimidating to me than being followed by serious music lovers and critics: I’m not worthy!!!
     
    But have you been followed by any authentic jazzmen who are also certified menses? Otherwise, you are nothing, nothing...
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Coulter was a pleasant surprise.
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  39. syonredux says:
    @SFG
    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.

    There's a definite subtext of old money versus new money, Manhattan versus the outer boroughs, to this Trump thing, I can tell you. But I think the ethnic hysteria is probably the predominant factor. A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they're worried.

    A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they’re worried.

    Really?

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    The example of things like Weimar Germany, where things were OK then went really really bad, radically changes their risk-benefit calculus. If you thought there was even a 1% chance of all your relatives actually being exterminated as the result of a political shift, you'd suddenly become very nervous about even the smallest bit of prejudice against your group, even at relatively low levels. Trump has made no policy promises directly threatening the American Jewish population. But...things like the Holocaust statement that didn't mention the Jews, the famous six-pointed star, the ad featuring three Jews as examples of the global elite, all seem like winks at the counter-Semitic crowd.

    If anything I think he will wink at the Nazis and then fail to deliver any pogroms...but the Forward doesn't really see it that way.

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  40. @snorlax
    Brahmin social status isn't about money. MY is extremely high-status because he's a famous journalist that Barack Obama frequently retweets.

    Donald Trump has lots of money and is President of the United States, but he is the lowest-status person in the entire world to Brahmins. Even Charles Manson is higher-status than Donald Trump.

    No, seriously. Work on Charles Manson's appeal pro bono, you can put that on your resumé when you're applying to white-shoe firms. File an amicus brief supporting Trump's executive order, better hope your state's GOP Attorney General has a job waiting for you, because you're never getting hired in the private sector again.

    because you’re never getting hired in the private sector again.

    Seriously?

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    No, I was speaking hyperbolically. But it's not exactly far off.
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  41. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Off Topic;

    Anyone see the NYT immigration editorial today? Mostly, they’re aghast the law may be followed, but this line jumped out to me:

    Where could the demonizing and dehumanizing of the foreign born lead but to a whiter America?

    Ah, the truth comes out — the liberals fear their demographic project will be slowed and nothing, absolutely nothing’s more important than electing a new people.

    https://tinyurl.com/h4qe7yz

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    They don't have to worry. With the demographics of America today and the birth rate among whites being so low, there is no way it can become more white. If anything it will become a lite shade of brown.
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  42. Students at the Obama girls’ DC school, Sidwell Friends, voted to ban all students from wearing Washington Redskins apparel on campus.

    https://www.washingtonian.com/2016/06/16/sidwell-friends-school-bans-redskins-merchandise/

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    Tri, Did you notice how dead the issue of the racist Redskins name became? The reason, in my opinion, is the Amerindians didn't really give a damn. Mostly SJWs complaining and not the so called victims.
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  43. Lot says:
    @snorlax
    Brahmin social status isn't about money. MY is extremely high-status because he's a famous journalist that Barack Obama frequently retweets.

    Donald Trump has lots of money and is President of the United States, but he is the lowest-status person in the entire world to Brahmins. Even Charles Manson is higher-status than Donald Trump.

    No, seriously. Work on Charles Manson's appeal pro bono, you can put that on your resumé when you're applying to white-shoe firms. File an amicus brief supporting Trump's executive order, better hope your state's GOP Attorney General has a job waiting for you, because you're never getting hired in the private sector again.

    Social conservative activists are not very welcome at top law firms, but corporate lawyers working for Fortune 500 companies are plenty conservative on economic issues. Look at the lawyers for the firms opposing abortion, affirmative action and gay rights v the ones opposing environmental regulations and defending monopolies.

    Kellyanne Conway’s husband George is a litigator at Wachtell Lipton Rosen & Katz, which pays its first year lawyers about $300,000 a year and he is rumored to be the favorite for Trump’s SG. They were both involved with Linda Tripp/Lucianne Goldberg in getting the Monica Lewinsky story out. (If you are wondering from the photos, he is half Filipino).

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    Prime example: opposing same sex "marriage" was way too icky for biglaw.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/12/us/the-case-against-gay-marriage-top-law-firms-wont-touch-it.html


    WASHINGTON — The stacks of Supreme Court briefs filed on both sides of the same-sex marriage cases to be heard this month are roughly the same height. But they are nonetheless lopsided: There are no major law firms urging the justices to rule against gay marriage.
    Leading law firms are willing to represent tobacco companies accused of lying about their deadly products, factories that spew pollution, and corporations said to be complicit in torture and murder abroad. But standing up for traditional marriage has turned out to be too much for the elite bar. The arguments have been left to members of lower-profile firms.
    In dozens of interviews, lawyers and law professors said the imbalance in legal firepower in the same-sex marriage cases resulted from a conviction among many lawyers that opposition to such unions is bigotry akin to racism. But there were economic calculations, too. Law firms that defend traditional marriage may lose clients and find themselves at a disadvantage in hiring new lawyers.
    “Firms are trying to recruit the best talent from the best law schools,” said Dale Carpenter, a law professor at the University of Minnesota, “and the overwhelming majority of them want to work in a community of respect and diversity.”
    But some conservatives say lawyers and scholars who support religious liberty and oppose a constitutional right to same-sex marriage have been bullied into silence. “The level of sheer desire to crush dissent is pretty unprecedented,” said Michael W. McConnell, a former federal appeals court judge who teaches law at Stanford.
     
    , @Mr. Anon

    Social conservative activists are not very welcome at top law firms, but corporate lawyers working for Fortune 500 companies are plenty conservative on economic issues.
     
    Plenty of people who are "conservative on economic issues" are essentially liberal in every other outlook. I don't consider them to be "conservative" - not as I understand the term.
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  44. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Citizens’ Rights are human rights. Every people have a right not to be invaded and displaced by demographic imperialists

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  45. gcochran says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Yeah, that's always the dark underbelly of the Cult of Equality. If a kid or group isn't doing as well as the group, somebody must be at fault.

    Naturally, whites are the "go-to" group. But when a middle-class or higher black kid with both parents at home attends a prep school or college with "good whites," the Good Whites start to look around for another cause, which inevitably leads back to the black kid or his/her parents. (Sometimes that blame "institutional racism" but I suspect that even they don't quite buy that.)

    It'd be like reasonably smart white kids being chastised because they were failing to become physicists. Why don't you study harder? Why are your teachers failing you? Why doesn't your community value physics? Etc.

    It's all quite silly, but that's our world.

    Two of mine are in physics grad school, one a junior majoring in physics. Anyone can do it.

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    I assume you can dunk a basketball.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    I'm sure that for your family that's true. :)

    Btw, comments like that are one of the most annoying things about the iSteve crew. Yeah, yeah, I get it. You and your family are a bunch of geniuses. If you truly believe that "anyone" can major in physics, you're an aspy who needs to get out more. Sorry but us Morlocks with our 125 IQs find physics kind of hard - and, as difficult as you might find this to believe, there are people who find high school algebra and geometry kind of hard.

    Hey, be happy that you (and, apparently, your kids) won the genetic lottery, but at least acknowledge that you did, in fact, win and not everybody runs home with the Golden Ticket.

    Look, I'm just pointing out the unfairness that surrounds most black kids at the top of their group. Even blacks kids who are in the top ~2% of their race clock in around an IQ of 115 to 125. Yes, there are a few who are 3 SD who end up past 130, but, in general, all but a literal handful of the top one or two percent of blacks are in that 115 to 125 range. Reasonably smart human beings, yes, but Harvard or MIT material, no. And that's the tragedy.

    These kids aren't coming from the ghetto, so Good Whites must explain their failure and the usual suspects don't quite make sense, so Good Whites start looking around. And very quietly, they start to blame blacks themselves. Don't study enough. Culture. Etc.

    Obviously, Good Whites can't accept genetic differences. But if Bad Whites aren't in the picture, you start to run out of suspects to blame. Naturally, Good White won't blame themselves so they turn to blacks - or teachers - for the failure.

    Regardless, it's unfair to keep telling blacks that they should be scoring as well as whites or NE Asians. Just like it would be unfair for me to tell my kids that their failures for not getting perfect scores on the SAT/ACT. For your kids, they're just reaching their natural abilities; for my kids, it's asking them to climb Everest with a backpack of filled with granola bars. (And, yes, my kids are reasonably bright, but to pretend that
    , @SFG
    You're a famous scientist. Obviously the genes are well above average.
    , @The True and Original David
    A Jewish housewife who wrote sci-fi and romance novels stated that anyone can raise his IQ 50 points by "mental effort." (It's in Ayn Rand Answers.)
    , @Buffalo Joe
    gcochan, Childrens' success in the study of math and then physics begins when parents, such as yourself, invest the time and reinforce the belief that your children can excel in math. Children whose parents tell them, over and over, that math is hard and that they can't help them handicap their kids.
    , @oddsbodkins
    gcochran, I can assure you that not everyone can successfully major in physics. I see students fail at that exact task every day, and not of lack of trying. It is no different that trying to will oneself under a 3 hour marathon time. Some can, some can't, and natural talent is often the deciding factor.
    , @anon
    joke's on you: wasting my 20s on a physics Ph.D was the biggest mistake of my life
    , @dfordoom

    Two of mine are in physics grad school, one a junior majoring in physics. Anyone can do it.
     
    I'm relieved to hear that you don't subscribe to any HBD nonsense about intelligence having any genetic component.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    The god gcochran is a great and good god, though not omnipresent, nor omnipotent, nor omnibeneficent, nevertheless gcochran is a god omniscient.

    If you doubt that omniscience, just ask the great gcochran if he is indeed an omniscient god. And if the great gcochran is in a good mood, you will receive the just and true pronouncements he will bestow upon you, from time to time.

    But do not pull the curtain aside. No, because you will be punished. And you know you deserve the punishments visited upon you by the great god gcochran.

    Thus saith the meekest, mildest and most humble servant of that great god gcochran.
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  46. gcochran says:
    @Broski
    Other notable alumni include Emma "Mattress Girl" Sulkowicz and Matthew Yglesias.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalton_School#Notable_people

    Jeffrey Epstein taught at Dalton.

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    Similarly, Mariel Hemingway's character in Woody Allen's "Manhattan" attended Dalton.
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  47. Barnard says:
    @Cloudbuster
    “definitely a progressive school,” and said “it’s a very diverse community.”

    We have rich white people, rich black people, rich latino people, rich asian people, rich indian people, rich middle eastern people....

    And all share the same progressive world view. Diver$ity.

    It is somewhat surprising these are the kinds of issues they focus on and that their reaction is so emotional. I can’t see the 19th or early 20th century elites getting this worked up over such a minor issue or using a word like “icky.” Is it just on autopilot for them? Because they are rich and powerful now, their families will be forever?

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  48. Dalton today is not much more racially diverse than it was 25 years ago. An extra East Asian or Indian face or two, and a couple of AAs, but that’s about it.

    My observation of the kids streaming into the school every day—long ago, when I lived in New York, and on a recent extended trip, when I stayed in the same neighborhood.

    The web page, I expect, tells a different, carefully photographed, story.

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    The web page, I expect, tells a different, carefully photographed, story.

     

    https://www.dalton.org/page

    The imagery just screams "vibrant diversity!"
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  49. @Spotted Toad
    There's an interesting documentary that follows a black kid through Dalton (K-12) and watches him struggle to keep up- Manohla Dargis quite typically disapproved of the kid's parents not being more woke, and for their blaming his lack of academic success on his lack of effort rather than on impersonal forces of racism-

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/10/18/movies/american-promise-a-documentary-on-dalton-students.html

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.pbs.org/pov/americanpromise/about-the-characters/amp/?client=safari

    TV weatherman Al Roker’s daughter attended Dalton until she started struggling in middle school. She conveniently discovered her passion for acting and attended Fiorello H. Laguardia High School Of Music & Art and Performing Arts, the FAME high school.

    The elite private schools in New York City accept kindergartners with strong social skills and parents with impressive job titles or high incomes. Everything is fine until 6th grade when the academics become rigorous. Kids who can’t keep up are “counseled out” or leave on their own steam. They are replaced by ninth graders who test in the 99th percentile and have a strong chance of being admitted to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, or Stanford. College placement is what attracts parents to these prep schools.

    Elite schools aren’t good; they are just good at cherry-picking.

    My guess is that in the 90s, prep schools across the US were told to diversify or the HYPS-type would no longer consider their students for admission, which is why Dalton kids can’t skate at Trump’s rink. In the documentary American Promise, the boys are among the first wave of intentionally diverse students.

    One boy is the son of a doctor and lawyer/documentarian, Harvard Medical School and Columbia Law School. The other boy is the son of a nurse and engineer. Both mothers are immigrants. Since the boys were academic duds, none of their siblings got a shot a Dalton. The other son of the doctor and lawyer wound up at Brooklyn Friends.

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    I know Dalton's famous and well regarded but I was surprised to see it not all that high up this list:

    http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-COLLEGE0711-sort.html

    On the other hand it looks strong here:

    https://www.thestreet.com/story/13325695/1/top-us-private-schools-with-the-most-graduates-getting-into-ivy-league-universities.html
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    By far the best name for the fancy schools in NYC is Ethical Culture Fieldston School.

    It costs 47 grand from pre-K to "Forms III-VI"

    https://www.ecfs.org/admissions/tuition-and-fees
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Tri, so the one father is a doctor who graduated from Harvard Med school. Well do you know what they call the person who finishes last in his class at Harvard Med school? Doctor.
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  50. benjaminl says:
    @Lot
    Social conservative activists are not very welcome at top law firms, but corporate lawyers working for Fortune 500 companies are plenty conservative on economic issues. Look at the lawyers for the firms opposing abortion, affirmative action and gay rights v the ones opposing environmental regulations and defending monopolies.

    Kellyanne Conway's husband George is a litigator at Wachtell Lipton Rosen & Katz, which pays its first year lawyers about $300,000 a year and he is rumored to be the favorite for Trump's SG. They were both involved with Linda Tripp/Lucianne Goldberg in getting the Monica Lewinsky story out. (If you are wondering from the photos, he is half Filipino).

    Prime example: opposing same sex “marriage” was way too icky for biglaw.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/12/us/the-case-against-gay-marriage-top-law-firms-wont-touch-it.html

    WASHINGTON — The stacks of Supreme Court briefs filed on both sides of the same-sex marriage cases to be heard this month are roughly the same height. But they are nonetheless lopsided: There are no major law firms urging the justices to rule against gay marriage.
    Leading law firms are willing to represent tobacco companies accused of lying about their deadly products, factories that spew pollution, and corporations said to be complicit in torture and murder abroad. But standing up for traditional marriage has turned out to be too much for the elite bar. The arguments have been left to members of lower-profile firms.
    In dozens of interviews, lawyers and law professors said the imbalance in legal firepower in the same-sex marriage cases resulted from a conviction among many lawyers that opposition to such unions is bigotry akin to racism. But there were economic calculations, too. Law firms that defend traditional marriage may lose clients and find themselves at a disadvantage in hiring new lawyers.
    “Firms are trying to recruit the best talent from the best law schools,” said Dale Carpenter, a law professor at the University of Minnesota, “and the overwhelming majority of them want to work in a community of respect and diversity.”
    But some conservatives say lawyers and scholars who support religious liberty and oppose a constitutional right to same-sex marriage have been bullied into silence. “The level of sheer desire to crush dissent is pretty unprecedented,” said Michael W. McConnell, a former federal appeals court judge who teaches law at Stanford.

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    I am very confident that the "level of sheer desire to crush dissent" has been roughly the same among this group and all groups since time immemorial. What change are the specific taboos one may not dissent about. The need for many strong taboos seems to be one of the most powerful psychological needs humans have.
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  51. Wow, 45,000 per child! I would have had to dabble in the stock market or bank robbery to put my two kids through school.
    You will never see any of these upper crust children in public school. Yet their parents are all bent outta shape over David because she likes school of choice for the public sector. I don’t think they want inner city children to get a better shot at an education. They seem to like it better when poor people are uneducated it adds to their superiority.

    I read an article once about a teacher who taught fifth grade at that school. She had run afoul of some of the parents for some PC crap and was getting a thirty day suspension, anyway they felt the need to tell the readers that she made 115000 per year. That tells me everything that I need to know about that school.
    If the teachers get paid that kind of money they gotta be good, right?

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    Yet their parents are all bent outta shape over David because she likes school of choice for the public sector.
     
    "David"? Didn't you mean DeVos (Betsy)?
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Mr. Mack, my granddaughter goes to a public school in Bucks County, Pa. Her second grade teacher makes $122K per year for a 180 day school year, and that is a matter of public record. My cousin's wife teaches Art in Buffalo Public Schools and she hauled in $84K last year before the new contract kicks in and in my school district, a burb of Buffalo we have Phys. Ed. teachers who make $105K. So, $115K at an elite prep school in NYC seems kind of pedestrian.
    , @Pontius
    Kindergarten teachers in the Ontario public school system make $90k/yr.

    One of the many reasons we have the largest sub-national debt on Earth.

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  52. SFG says:
    @Formerly CARealist
    Don't fantasize about another man's wife. You can see the crazy when it comes to fearing an ice rink and its associated hexes, so don't let your own mind go to the gutter with Ms. Johansson.

    I, of course, would never be guilty of such a sin! oh mercy, no.

    Just in case: generic example of very attractive Hollywood star. A few decades ago I used Cindy Crawford, then Monica Bellucci.

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    Fun fact: Monica Bellucci is older than Cindy Crawford.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Monica Bellucci got naked in some of her earlier movies. Smokin!
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  53. SFG says:
    @syonredux

    A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they’re worried.
     
    Really?

    The example of things like Weimar Germany, where things were OK then went really really bad, radically changes their risk-benefit calculus. If you thought there was even a 1% chance of all your relatives actually being exterminated as the result of a political shift, you’d suddenly become very nervous about even the smallest bit of prejudice against your group, even at relatively low levels. Trump has made no policy promises directly threatening the American Jewish population. But…things like the Holocaust statement that didn’t mention the Jews, the famous six-pointed star, the ad featuring three Jews as examples of the global elite, all seem like winks at the counter-Semitic crowd.

    If anything I think he will wink at the Nazis and then fail to deliver any pogroms…but the Forward doesn’t really see it that way.

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    Then why don't the Jews just move to Israel to get away from us evil gentiles? Jews are apparently afraid of gentiles but want to live in countries filled with them.
    , @syonredux
    So, do they think that Trump will start by exterminating his grandchildren?You know, start small, then go big?
    , @CAL
    Yeah, but Trump has never said anything negative about the Jews. Meanwhile Hitler pretty much telegraphed that the Jews were in trouble. And Weimar Germany wasn't a golden era for Jewry either. The stab in the back myth pretty much kicked off with Germany's defeat in WWI. Then it didn't help that the Bolsheviks were Jew heavy.

    So no, it is ridiculous for Jews to be in a panic over Trump. The Israeli press has been fairly aghast at the stupidity of Jews in the US with regards to Trump. Jews are picking the side, the Democrats, that is growing more anti-semitic. They even encourage the immigration that will destroy them. If they get what they want, it won't be some diverse utopia of Jewry on top. It will be mobs of Muslims and other minorities hunting them in the streets. A few will flee and then write about how poorly they were treated.
    , @PiltdownMan
    What's all this folderol about President Trump and Jews? Any New Yorker can see that the man comes across as vaguely New York Jewish in his affect, more than anything else.
    , @Lot

    all seem like winks at the counter-Semitic crowd.
     
    They do if you are retarded.

    Anti-semites are a despised group, including by Trump of course, and look for any remote sign someone in power likes them. Likewise, professional anti-anti-Semites need anti-Semites to stay in business, so they also scour every one of Trump's statement for the slightest suggestion of anti-Semitic content.

    This is the entirety of the White House press release, which I highly doubt Trump ever saw much less wrote, much less conveyed secret subtext messages to Stormfront's NEET crew, but which both the anti's and the anti-anti's got so excited about:

    Statement by the President on International Holocaust Remembrance Day

    It is with a heavy heart and somber mind that we remember and honor the victims, survivors, heroes of the Holocaust. It is impossible to fully fathom the depravity and horror inflicted on innocent people by Nazi terror.

    Yet, we know that in the darkest hours of humanity, light shines the brightest.‎ As we remember those who died, we are deeply grateful to those who risked their lives to save the innocent.

    In the name of the perished, I pledge to do everything in my power throughout my Presidency, and my life, to ensure that the forces of evil never again defeat the powers of good. Together, we will make love and tolerance prevalent throughout the world.”
     

    Not exactly a Der Stürmer editorial, is it?
    , @ben tillman

    The example of things like Weimar Germany, where things were OK then went really really bad, radically changes their risk-benefit calculus. If you thought there was even a 1% chance of all your relatives actually being exterminated as the result of a political shift, you’d suddenly become very nervous about even the smallest bit of prejudice against your group, even at relatively low levels.
     
    It seems odd that they would walk such a fine line instead of being cautious enough not to do things that they think could cause such a backlash.
    , @Boomstick
    What makes the Holocaust press release freakout even more ridiculous is that it was worded that way to be inclusive. Lots of gays, Roma, and political undesirables were murdered as well. Literally anything he said in the statement would cause tears in some quarter for being insufficiently woke to some demographic's death toll.

    The latest media absurdity is the sneering about Trump's remarks on Sweden:

    "You look at what's happening in Germany, you look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this. Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible. You look at what's happening in Brussels. You look at what's happening all over the world. Take a look at Nice. Take a look at Paris. We've allowed thousands and thousands of people into our country and there was no way to vet those people. There was no documentation. There was no nothing. So we're going to keep our country safe."

    The press misinterpreted this as a claim that there was a terrorist attack that night in Sweden, rather than the obvious meaning: Sweden has imported criminal, jihadist, rape-prone welfare cases, and as a result several Swedish cities have been turned into no-go zones.
    , @Randal

    Weimar Germany, where things were OK
     
    OK for whom, exactly?

    By the way, here's what jewish people thought was a great way to protect their community in Weimar Germany. Look familiar? (Hint - it would if you live in Europe or in Britain, where criminal prosecutions for supposedly "anti-Semitic" speechcrimes are starting to become commonplace. You Americans are protected by your First Amendment for the moment, so you can only have your job and career prospects destroyed for saying the wrong thing. But that won't last long now, I suspect.)

    Researching my book, I looked into what actually happened in the Weimar Republic. I found that, contrary to what most people think, Weimar Germany did have hate-speech laws, and they were applied quite frequently. The assertion that Nazi propaganda played a significant role in mobilizing anti-Jewish sentiment is, of course, irrefutable. But to claim that the Holocaust could have been prevented if only anti-Semitic speech and Nazi propaganda had been banned has little basis in reality. Leading Nazis such as Joseph Goebbels, Theodor Fritsch, and Julius Streicher were all prosecuted for anti-Semitic speech. Streicher served two prison sentences. Rather than deterring the Nazis and countering anti-Semitism, the many court cases served as effective public-relations machinery, affording Streicher the kind of attention he would never have found in a climate of a free and open debate. In the years from 1923 to 1933, Der Stürmer [Streicher’s newspaper] was either confiscated or editors taken to court on no fewer than thirty-six occasions. The more charges Streicher faced, the greater became the admiration of his supporters. The courts became an important platform for Streicher’s campaign against the Jews. In the words of a present-day civil-rights campaigner, pre-Hitler Germany had laws very much like the anti-hate laws of today, and they were enforced with some vigor.
     
    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/copenhagen-speech-violence
    , @slumber_j

    If anything I think he will wink at the Nazis
     
    Who are "the Nazis" in this clause? And why would he bother to wink at them?
    , @Opinionator
    Are Gentiles safe living in a country where a group with significant influence believes that Gentiles are mere steps away from trying to exterminate that group? What lengths are Jews willing to go to address the perceived Gentile Menace?
    , @Bill Jones
    We really need to get these barking mad lunatics out of the country,
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  54. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @SFG
    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.

    There's a definite subtext of old money versus new money, Manhattan versus the outer boroughs, to this Trump thing, I can tell you. But I think the ethnic hysteria is probably the predominant factor. A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they're worried.

    If Jews are so afraid of American gentiles then I wish they would move to Israel to get away from us. It must be some kind of mental illness that makes Jews want to live in countries whose majority populations terrify them.

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  55. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @SFG
    The example of things like Weimar Germany, where things were OK then went really really bad, radically changes their risk-benefit calculus. If you thought there was even a 1% chance of all your relatives actually being exterminated as the result of a political shift, you'd suddenly become very nervous about even the smallest bit of prejudice against your group, even at relatively low levels. Trump has made no policy promises directly threatening the American Jewish population. But...things like the Holocaust statement that didn't mention the Jews, the famous six-pointed star, the ad featuring three Jews as examples of the global elite, all seem like winks at the counter-Semitic crowd.

    If anything I think he will wink at the Nazis and then fail to deliver any pogroms...but the Forward doesn't really see it that way.

    Then why don’t the Jews just move to Israel to get away from us evil gentiles? Jews are apparently afraid of gentiles but want to live in countries filled with them.

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    • Replies: @FX Enderby
    Why do ticks attach themselves to humans when they risk being pulled off and burned?
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Many, of not most, America Jews (including the half of my family that's Jewish) realize that America is the best place for Jews to live in the whole world, including Israel.
    , @Stationary Feast
    Same reason almost nobody here is itching to learn Hungarian and decamp to a globalist-hostile foreign country — uprooting everything and learning a new language is hard.
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  56. Glossy says: • Website

    I was looking through the wikis of these snooty NYC schools, trying to see which one is the snootiest. The answer isn’t readily apparent, but I now know which one is the oldest:

    “Collegiate was founded in the Dutch colony of New Amsterdam in 1628 by the Dutch West India Company and the Classis of Amsterdam.”

    That’s hardcore. Also, Whit Stillman went there.

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    Also, Whit Stillman went there. How 'bout Slim Whitman? Are you sure you didn't mean Slim Whitman?
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  57. benjaminl says:
    @Triumph104
    TV weatherman Al Roker's daughter attended Dalton until she started struggling in middle school. She conveniently discovered her passion for acting and attended Fiorello H. Laguardia High School Of Music & Art and Performing Arts, the FAME high school.

    The elite private schools in New York City accept kindergartners with strong social skills and parents with impressive job titles or high incomes. Everything is fine until 6th grade when the academics become rigorous. Kids who can't keep up are "counseled out" or leave on their own steam. They are replaced by ninth graders who test in the 99th percentile and have a strong chance of being admitted to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, or Stanford. College placement is what attracts parents to these prep schools.

    Elite schools aren't good; they are just good at cherry-picking.

    My guess is that in the 90s, prep schools across the US were told to diversify or the HYPS-type would no longer consider their students for admission, which is why Dalton kids can't skate at Trump's rink. In the documentary American Promise, the boys are among the first wave of intentionally diverse students.

    One boy is the son of a doctor and lawyer/documentarian, Harvard Medical School and Columbia Law School. The other boy is the son of a nurse and engineer. Both mothers are immigrants. Since the boys were academic duds, none of their siblings got a shot a Dalton. The other son of the doctor and lawyer wound up at Brooklyn Friends.

    I know Dalton’s famous and well regarded but I was surprised to see it not all that high up this list:

    http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-COLLEGE0711-sort.html

    On the other hand it looks strong here:

    https://www.thestreet.com/story/13325695/1/top-us-private-schools-with-the-most-graduates-getting-into-ivy-league-universities.html

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  58. @Verymuchalive
    When he demits office, I hope he leaves NY for much safer locales. And that goes for his family too. Many do not realise it, but this is the end for NYC too.

    Many do not realise it, but this is the end for NYC too.

    Why? The coming economic collapse won’t do much good for the city, but “the end?”

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  59. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @Marina
    I will never understand why the Trump kids go to school. If I had Trump level money, I'd go full nineteenth century and have private tutors/governesses. Ivanka was so miserable at school she used to call her father collect from the janitor's closet during lunch. It's a cute story, as he'd interrupt business meetings to take her calls, but I was just left wondering why he didn't yank her out of school entirely. But then, I'm not Trump level rich, so what do I know? I'm sure the networking options at these schools are fantastic.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3700544/He-pick-phone-single-time-Ivanka-Trump-tells-sweet-story-calling-dad-collect-everyday-janitor-s-closet-school.html

    He probably sent them to school rather than home-schooled them so they could make the right social connections.

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  60. Kaz says:
    @anonymous
    "A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them..."

    I have a very intelligent accomplished Jewish friend who falls in this category. He is a libertarian, not liberal, and did not vote for Clinton (or Trump). He's pretty realistic and for the most part would probably fit in well on this site. But he seems genuinely scared of both Trump and Putin. It's doesn't seem rational, it seems like a form of ethnic PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder). Understandable, but not beneficial.

    Putin is a genuinely awful person.

    Trump eh, his grandchildren and son in law are Jewish so that’s odd.

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  61. @Anon
    Off Topic;

    Anyone see the NYT immigration editorial today? Mostly, they're aghast the law may be followed, but this line jumped out to me:

    Where could the demonizing and dehumanizing of the foreign born lead but to a whiter America?
     
    Ah, the truth comes out -- the liberals fear their demographic project will be slowed and nothing, absolutely nothing's more important than electing a new people.

    https://tinyurl.com/h4qe7yz

    They don’t have to worry. With the demographics of America today and the birth rate among whites being so low, there is no way it can become more white. If anything it will become a lite shade of brown.

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  62. Anon 2 says:

    OT: Interesting article in the Aug. 20, 2015 issue of The Atlantic
    that some of us may have missed. The title is, “Asians now outpace
    Mexicans in terms of Undocumented Growth. ” About 20% of
    Korean Americans are illegal aliens. The figures are probably similar
    for the Chinese. About 300,000 East Indians are in the U.S. illegally.

    In terms of cost and logistics, how is the U.S. going to deport so many
    Chinese and Indians? Fly them to Beijing or whichever province they
    came from, as they do with Mexicans? So far I haven’t seen anything in
    the media about the deportations of the Chinese or Indians

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    Anon, very interesting considering that we don't share a border with Korea. So , they fly in and overstay or come down from Canada?
    , @Diversity Heretic
    Why do they have to be flown anywhere? Pack 'em into container ships. If they have relatives in the U.S. seize their assets to pay for the cost of the transportation. Be creative! Thank outside the box!
    , @Triumph104
    A new Al Jazeera documentary, Fleeing South Korea - 101 East, shows educated South Koreans immigrating/escaping to the US, some as manual laborers. They feel South Korea is competitive, superficial, and there is high youth unemployment. The people leaving are paying $25,000 to employment agencies and being promised resident visas after they get here. A farmer from Georgia was in South Korea saying that Mexicans weren't reliable.

    https://youtu.be/AT2wzQq7kx0

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  63. It really is starting to look like a war between the Productive and the coalition of the Privileged, the Perverts and the Parasites, is in the offing.

    Remind me to thank the wife for the Christmas Shotgun gift, One can never have enough.

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    "Remind me to thank the wife for the Christmas Shotgun gift, One can never have enough."

    You can thank her yourself by buying ammo and learning to reload and cast bullets if you don't already know how do it.
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  64. syonredux says:
    @SFG
    The example of things like Weimar Germany, where things were OK then went really really bad, radically changes their risk-benefit calculus. If you thought there was even a 1% chance of all your relatives actually being exterminated as the result of a political shift, you'd suddenly become very nervous about even the smallest bit of prejudice against your group, even at relatively low levels. Trump has made no policy promises directly threatening the American Jewish population. But...things like the Holocaust statement that didn't mention the Jews, the famous six-pointed star, the ad featuring three Jews as examples of the global elite, all seem like winks at the counter-Semitic crowd.

    If anything I think he will wink at the Nazis and then fail to deliver any pogroms...but the Forward doesn't really see it that way.

    So, do they think that Trump will start by exterminating his grandchildren?You know, start small, then go big?

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    People forget inconvenient facts.
    , @Opinionator
    Surely there is a better argument than "Trump's grandchildren are Jewish."

    What if he didn't have Jewish children/grandchildren? Why would he then be seen as on the verge of exterminating Jews?
    , @Stan Adams
    We must never forget that Magda Goebbels took out all six of her cute little Aryan kids. Poisoned them in their sleep. And she won all of those Nazi "Mother of the Year" awards!

    (Useless trivia: Joan Crawford was once named "Mother of the Year" by some ... someone. In fact, Christina Crawford wanted to call her book Mother of the Year, but eventually settled on Mommie Dearest.)

    So, to follow the logic:

    * Nazis kill kids, even their own.
    * Donald Trump is a Nazi.
    * Donald Trump has grandkids.
    * Ergo, Donald Trump plans to murder his grandchildren in cold blood.

    Now, doesn't that make perfect sense? (If it doesn't, then your goyishe kopf simply isn't up to snuff.)
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  65. @Greenstalk

    “it’s a very diverse community.” …
     
    Which invariably means "Everyone here thinks exactly alike, and any hint of nonconformity is punished."

    They have Asians as well as Jews.

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    Actually, Dalton has weirdly taken Diversity to heart in the most extreme possible way. They've instituted severe admission quotas to make the school look like America...or I guess New York, if by New York you mean the South Bronx. From the WSJ in 2011:

    Assembling diverse classes is an oft-stated goal among New York City private schools, with brochures featuring beaming multicultural students.

    But this September Dalton will approach a rare benchmark: Nearly half of the incoming kindergarten class will be students of color.

    Dalton will dramatically exceed the citywide average for kindergarten diversity at New York's private schools, which was 30% students of color last year, according to data from the National Association of Independent Schools.
     
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424053111903918104576500653887399330

    When they first publicized this--and they publicized it a lot--I remember realizing what the actual effect would be: if you were a legacy or otherwise somehow plugged-in, you could still go to Dalton, but otherwise you couldn't unless you were Dominican or whatever. So again we get the virtue-signaling move toward class immobility through religious purity.

    I live on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, and my wife and I both know tons of people who went to expensive NYC private schools. When Dalton's queasiness about Wollman Rink's Trumpiness surfaced the other day, we tried to think of one nice person we know who went to that school--but that turned out to be a bridge too far. Maybe Diversity will fix that.
    , @Jefferson
    "They have Asians as well as Jews."

    Jews aren't considered diverse. I have never heard any Black person say Seinfeld for example is a vibrantly diverse show just like The Wire for example. Blacks all say Seinfeld is lily White.
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  66. CAL says:
    @SFG
    The example of things like Weimar Germany, where things were OK then went really really bad, radically changes their risk-benefit calculus. If you thought there was even a 1% chance of all your relatives actually being exterminated as the result of a political shift, you'd suddenly become very nervous about even the smallest bit of prejudice against your group, even at relatively low levels. Trump has made no policy promises directly threatening the American Jewish population. But...things like the Holocaust statement that didn't mention the Jews, the famous six-pointed star, the ad featuring three Jews as examples of the global elite, all seem like winks at the counter-Semitic crowd.

    If anything I think he will wink at the Nazis and then fail to deliver any pogroms...but the Forward doesn't really see it that way.

    Yeah, but Trump has never said anything negative about the Jews. Meanwhile Hitler pretty much telegraphed that the Jews were in trouble. And Weimar Germany wasn’t a golden era for Jewry either. The stab in the back myth pretty much kicked off with Germany’s defeat in WWI. Then it didn’t help that the Bolsheviks were Jew heavy.

    So no, it is ridiculous for Jews to be in a panic over Trump. The Israeli press has been fairly aghast at the stupidity of Jews in the US with regards to Trump. Jews are picking the side, the Democrats, that is growing more anti-semitic. They even encourage the immigration that will destroy them. If they get what they want, it won’t be some diverse utopia of Jewry on top. It will be mobs of Muslims and other minorities hunting them in the streets. A few will flee and then write about how poorly they were treated.

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    Unfortunately, they DO think it will a diverse utopia of Jewry on top because that is the way it has been for the last few decades. The default thought mode of all people, no matter how bright, is that things will go on as they have, only more so. That mode makes it more convenient for us to operate in day to day life. Trump baffles, frightens and enrages them because he is just a tiny counter signal that maybe, just maybe, it is possible that things don't always go on as they have.
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  67. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Yeah, that's always the dark underbelly of the Cult of Equality. If a kid or group isn't doing as well as the group, somebody must be at fault.

    Naturally, whites are the "go-to" group. But when a middle-class or higher black kid with both parents at home attends a prep school or college with "good whites," the Good Whites start to look around for another cause, which inevitably leads back to the black kid or his/her parents. (Sometimes that blame "institutional racism" but I suspect that even they don't quite buy that.)

    It'd be like reasonably smart white kids being chastised because they were failing to become physicists. Why don't you study harder? Why are your teachers failing you? Why doesn't your community value physics? Etc.

    It's all quite silly, but that's our world.

    It’s all about genetics. Some people are born at a disatvantage, no matter how much they study they just don’t get it. But fear not I believe scientists have isolated the intelligence gene.

    Soon everyone will have the opportunity to children with genetically enhanced IQs, or maybe not$$$$_$

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  68. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Though the conventional wisdom is that the Aryans imposed the caste system in India, untouchability and hierarchy are very well-entrenched even in the far southern tip of the country, where the people still speak Dravidian languages.

    I have a hunch that future research will suggest that the multi-tiered caste system, with its hundreds of endogamous communities, and the concept of untouchability, was a feature of Pre-Aryan India. Aryan immigration probably imposed a classification of Brahmins, warriors, traders, and plebs on top of this pre-existing structure.

    The more you learn about India, the more obvious it is that the Aryan culture is a very thin superstratum. The vast mass of the civilization is still pre-Aryan. Somewhat like the steady decline in Spanish culture relative to native culture in Mexico, but fast forwarded a few thousand years. The genes and the language remain, but everything else is being rapidly eroded.

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    Your hunch seems correct. The Aryan Invasion theory has been largely abandoned in India and among academic specialists.
    The theory was a product of the 19th century, and although some elements of the theory still hold water, India had a large scale, sophisticated civilization before the arrival of the Indo-European languages.
    It also appears that the Aryans might have been migrating into the sub continent earlier and in a less invasive manner than the Invasion theory would allow for.
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  69. But “ickiness” is an illuminating word that helps us understand the latest stage of Ruling Class ideological evolution: Dalton parents fear that their children would be exposed to ritual pollution and thus risk losing their Brahmin caste status.

    I’ve been using “Brahminism” for a while to describe the progressive elite tendency to lambast people who provide goods and services that Brahmins use, but are “unclean”. The logic goes that since they didn’t pull the metaphorical trigger, they can eat the steak. Examples include:

    -All those articles about the Wild Stud atmosphere of young men heading to the tar sands in North Dakota. Yep, they still fill up their Priuses, though.

    - Empowerment fantasies like the Audi commercial, where, as has been deconstructed here, the suburban dad and his daughter head to a clean car rather than having to actually get dirty lugging the go cart onto a trailer.

    -Immigrants become some kind of beloved servant class, performing menial tasks without complaint. The cupidity of the progressive allows him to pay less, have complaint serfs, and above all else cut off residual contact with white (and black) proles who once did those jobs.

    There’s dozens of other examples found throughout Steve and other’s blogs. Class hypocrisy became an issue in 2016, but the deconstruction really hasn’t broken through yet.

    I think Brahminism as a theme is valid, both because, as Steve pointed out, one of the main higher income immigrant groups has a frame of reference-but also because this epithet has a long history, such as the Boston Brahmin phenomenon- the literal and figurative ancestors of the class we are talking about today.

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  70. Lurker says:
    @guest
    "I've often mentioned how the word 'controversy' has changed implications over my lifetime from positive to negative"

    Do you remember before 1959? That year saw the publication of Jacques Barzun's House of Intellect. As I recall, it contains a bon mot along the lines of (paraphrasing): we call "controversial" that over which we aren't allowed to have controversy.

    Then again, I don't have the first edition, so I can't vouch for it having been in there from the beginning.

    “Controversial” – something that is generally popular but does not enjoy elite support.

    See also: “Outspoken” – voicing unpopular ideas that have elite blessing.

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  71. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    So important for the article to mention Anderson Cooper and Claire Danes are alumni. Cooper is openly CIA and Danes reads CIA doctored scripts on TV.

    F*** infotainment propaganda programming. These two names are just the tip of the insidious CIA infiltration of our media.

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  72. SFG says:
    @syonredux
    So, do they think that Trump will start by exterminating his grandchildren?You know, start small, then go big?

    People forget inconvenient facts.

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  73. @gcochran
    Two of mine are in physics grad school, one a junior majoring in physics. Anyone can do it.

    I assume you can dunk a basketball.

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    Obviously anyone can do that, too.
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  74. @SFG
    The example of things like Weimar Germany, where things were OK then went really really bad, radically changes their risk-benefit calculus. If you thought there was even a 1% chance of all your relatives actually being exterminated as the result of a political shift, you'd suddenly become very nervous about even the smallest bit of prejudice against your group, even at relatively low levels. Trump has made no policy promises directly threatening the American Jewish population. But...things like the Holocaust statement that didn't mention the Jews, the famous six-pointed star, the ad featuring three Jews as examples of the global elite, all seem like winks at the counter-Semitic crowd.

    If anything I think he will wink at the Nazis and then fail to deliver any pogroms...but the Forward doesn't really see it that way.

    What’s all this folderol about President Trump and Jews? Any New Yorker can see that the man comes across as vaguely New York Jewish in his affect, more than anything else.

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    Like I said, it's unlikely. His critics are likely to keep not only their lives but their Upper West Side apartments.

    But, that's the way the thinking goes.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Trump doesn't seem to have any particular animus against blacks (excuse me, against "the blacks") or homosexuals. No animus against them at all, as far as I can tell. And yet many of them have convinced themselves that he is the second coming of Theodore Bilbo or Anita Bryant, or something.
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  75. @SFG
    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.

    There's a definite subtext of old money versus new money, Manhattan versus the outer boroughs, to this Trump thing, I can tell you. But I think the ethnic hysteria is probably the predominant factor. A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they're worried.

    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.

    That’s hard to believe. This is a linguistic atrocity:

    Tuition for 2016-17 in Grades K-12 is $44,640, which is among the lowest of our peer schools. … Depending on a student’s interests and needs, and to foster equity, there may be additional funds available for programs which require payment beyond tuition (such as the After School Program, global trips or student activities in the high school.)

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    I wouldn't go quite that far but it is really bad. They should have written:

    "In order to foster equity, there may be additional funds available for programs which require payment beyond tuition (such as the After School Program, global trips or student activities in the high school), depending on a student's interests and needs."
    , @PV van der Byl
    That paragraph was probably written by a beneficiary of one of the programs meant "to foster equity."
    , @Hibernian
    First sentence reads like it's written by a sportswriter. IMHO, the second isn't that bad. Definitely not Ivy League quality... ...Oh, wait, maybe it is.
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  76. @syonredux
    So, do they think that Trump will start by exterminating his grandchildren?You know, start small, then go big?

    Surely there is a better argument than “Trump’s grandchildren are Jewish.”

    What if he didn’t have Jewish children/grandchildren? Why would he then be seen as on the verge of exterminating Jews?

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  77. Lot says:
    @SFG
    The example of things like Weimar Germany, where things were OK then went really really bad, radically changes their risk-benefit calculus. If you thought there was even a 1% chance of all your relatives actually being exterminated as the result of a political shift, you'd suddenly become very nervous about even the smallest bit of prejudice against your group, even at relatively low levels. Trump has made no policy promises directly threatening the American Jewish population. But...things like the Holocaust statement that didn't mention the Jews, the famous six-pointed star, the ad featuring three Jews as examples of the global elite, all seem like winks at the counter-Semitic crowd.

    If anything I think he will wink at the Nazis and then fail to deliver any pogroms...but the Forward doesn't really see it that way.

    all seem like winks at the counter-Semitic crowd.

    They do if you are retarded.

    Anti-semites are a despised group, including by Trump of course, and look for any remote sign someone in power likes them. Likewise, professional anti-anti-Semites need anti-Semites to stay in business, so they also scour every one of Trump’s statement for the slightest suggestion of anti-Semitic content.

    This is the entirety of the White House press release, which I highly doubt Trump ever saw much less wrote, much less conveyed secret subtext messages to Stormfront’s NEET crew, but which both the anti’s and the anti-anti’s got so excited about:

    Statement by the President on International Holocaust Remembrance Day

    It is with a heavy heart and somber mind that we remember and honor the victims, survivors, heroes of the Holocaust. It is impossible to fully fathom the depravity and horror inflicted on innocent people by Nazi terror.

    Yet, we know that in the darkest hours of humanity, light shines the brightest.‎ As we remember those who died, we are deeply grateful to those who risked their lives to save the innocent.

    In the name of the perished, I pledge to do everything in my power throughout my Presidency, and my life, to ensure that the forces of evil never again defeat the powers of good. Together, we will make love and tolerance prevalent throughout the world.”

    Not exactly a Der Stürmer editorial, is it?

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    No, it isn't. I'm saying that's how they think. I'm not saying an American Holocaust is likely or even probable.
    , @Anonymous
    It has less to do with Trump personally and more to do with the association with the alt-right, which will persist after Trump leaves office.
    , @Gabriel M

    They do if you are retarded.
     
    Lots of things that millions of people believe are completely retarded. In this case, a lot of Jews are being deliberately bombarded with deceptive information designed to make them believe Trump is the next Hitler in waiting. If you're not paying attention and you trust the media sources in question, then that's what you believe.


    A few years ago when the Tea Party was in full swing, there was this weird trend in which whenever there was a mass shooting CNN etc. would tryn and find some way to link it to the Tea Party. In the most absurd example, when the police released the name of a shooter, someone stuck it into google and found that it was a the same name as a Tea Party rally organizer in the state [!!!]. I used to wonder why they did this. Didn't it just make them look stupid? Why didn't they wait to see whether there was actually a link? Then I realised: the point wasn't too link a specific shooting to the Tea Party (for that they could afford to wait until the details came out, after all, eventually there would be one), the point was a to create a link in their viewer's minds between the Tea Party and violence. No-one really remembers each specific incident and how the media reported it (except aspies on blogs), but they recall at the back of their mind that the Tea Party was linked to an awful lot of mass shootings. It's the same with Trump anti-antisemitism thing. Each individual piece of evidence just looks like a joke, but that's only relevant if you're paying attention. For the typical media-consumer all that matters is that Trump has all these "links" to anti-antisemitism. You can see a lot of examples of this phenomenon if you're attune to it.
    , @Jack D
    It was a little strange that they talked about the Holocaust without mentioning Jews. That would be like talking about the American Revolution and not mentioning white men. No, wait...
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  78. donut says:

    Stop picking your nose and past my posts you Godless fuck . BTW , that masterpiece “Laocoon” ? Every man of us has wrestled with Gods commands . And our salvation is our resistance .

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    Your comment (with its idiosyncratic punctuation and the underlying whiff of unwellness etc.) reminds me of a poem by the great Robin Robertson:

    Lithium

    After the arc of ECT
    and the blunt concussion of pills,
    they gave him lithium to cling to—
    the psychiatrist's stone.
    A metal that floats on water,
    must be kept in kerosene,
    can be drawn into wire.
    (He who had jumped in the harbor,
    burnt his hair off,
    been caught hanging from the light.)
    He'd heard it was once used
    to make hydrogen bombs,
    but now was a coolant for nuclear reactors,
    so he broke out of hospital barefoot
    and walked ten miles to meet me in the snow.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    donut, I like the way you capitalize God and then use it before the word fuck, probably the result of Catholic education.
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  79. @SFG
    The example of things like Weimar Germany, where things were OK then went really really bad, radically changes their risk-benefit calculus. If you thought there was even a 1% chance of all your relatives actually being exterminated as the result of a political shift, you'd suddenly become very nervous about even the smallest bit of prejudice against your group, even at relatively low levels. Trump has made no policy promises directly threatening the American Jewish population. But...things like the Holocaust statement that didn't mention the Jews, the famous six-pointed star, the ad featuring three Jews as examples of the global elite, all seem like winks at the counter-Semitic crowd.

    If anything I think he will wink at the Nazis and then fail to deliver any pogroms...but the Forward doesn't really see it that way.

    The example of things like Weimar Germany, where things were OK then went really really bad, radically changes their risk-benefit calculus. If you thought there was even a 1% chance of all your relatives actually being exterminated as the result of a political shift, you’d suddenly become very nervous about even the smallest bit of prejudice against your group, even at relatively low levels.

    It seems odd that they would walk such a fine line instead of being cautious enough not to do things that they think could cause such a backlash.

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  80. @SFG
    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.

    There's a definite subtext of old money versus new money, Manhattan versus the outer boroughs, to this Trump thing, I can tell you. But I think the ethnic hysteria is probably the predominant factor. A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they're worried.

    Okay, so you bedded Scarlet Johansson, but will she bear your child? If not, your just another one-night stand.

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    Charles, Worse yet, who would believe you scored with Scarlet.
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  81. donut says:

    Brian Cox is an ACTOR .

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  82. Whiskey says: • Website

    Steve is 100% spot on again. Its about class and ethnicity/sub-race. As usual.

    [Upper Class] Jews are not worried about Trump turning into Hitler and killing Jews. His son in law, his daughter in law, his grandkids are all Jews and his favorite pol is Bibi for whom he made a re-election commercial. As noted, Trump has been TWICE the Grandmaster of the Israel Day Parade and has also paraded around with a rainbow flag at his rallies.

    And lower class Jews like Trump. Or at least, are not figuring Nazis are around the corner. This is entirely a story about CLASS.

    The Upper Class, being mostly WASP/Puritan/Scandi in nature (no I’m not kidding) along with rich White aging sluts (paging Ashley Judd, paging Scarlett Johanssen*) is terrified that they’ll have to share their power, their domination, their MONEY, with the lower classes. That they will not be able to turn America and Europe into greater Nairobi in time to rule like Game of Thrones, their fantasy good-times desire. They hate hate HATE the lower classes like mobs of Indonesians during Suharto’s purges of the Chinese.

    Just like Feminists scream “rape” at Haven Monaghan, and then dutifully don burquas and invite in real rapefugees, Upper Class Jews are guilty of the same evasion and revealed preferences. Trump is Andrew Jackson cubed, and that is why they hate him. Because of his basket of deplorables. His backers.

    This is why the primal rage screams of Madonna, Cher, Scarlett Johanssen, and Ashley Judd at the Women’s March in DC. And the similar melt-downs by McCain, Grahamnesty, and Meryl Streep. Its all about being Upper Class mixed in with ethnicity/sub-race. Imagine Hutu-Tutsi conflict mixed in with class, with us lower classes as the Tutsis.

    Its really about class and ethnicity, with incompatible views on everything — food, birth, death, God, leisure, nationhood (or not), borders, welfare, spending, every little bit of it.

    *Scarlett Johanssen, on her second divorce, with her first baby, gave an interview where she said that monogamy was not natural and basically impossible for people. Ahem. Interestingly TV’s Supergirl, Melissa Benoist, was also at the rally. And also newly divorced. Nothing like an aging hottie/slut confronting her imminent wall-splat and sexual irrelevance to kindle the upper class Marie Antoinette rage at us lower classes.

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    They hate hate HATE the lower classes like mobs of Indonesians during Suharto’s purges of the Chinese.

    Hardly.

    For the most part the Upper Classes don't give the lower classes much thought at all. And if you live in a city like New York, LA, or D.C., you just won't see many poor white people. The only poor white people you experience in most big cities are young people on their way up, slumming artists, or crazy homeless people. It becomes second nature to think that all poor people are latino or black, and assume that white people complaining about the economy must be whining.
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  83. Lugash says:

    OT:

    More petit corruption from the NYPD:

    https://twitter.com/placardabuse

    I have a feeling that someday we’re going to get a big NYPD corruption scandal.

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    The NYPD starts officers at around 30-40k and demands a residency requirement in the city.

    You think about it a little bit.
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  84. @guest
    Whenever a car backfires they think Himmler is behind them with a Luger. Whenever the wind blows, they hear Cossacks unsheathing their swords. They're paranoid, which is one more reason not to listen to them.

    Just because they are paranoid doesn’t mean Trump won’t hire stunt men to dress up in Nazi uniforms and herd them at gunpoint onto cattle cars to take them by rail from New York City to both Auschwitz and Buchenwald! Because Nazis! And it is 1942 right now you know! And Bush was Hitler, and so was Reagan, and that other Bush too, but Trump is Hitler times infinity raised to the infinitieth power! Plus one! And panic too!

    If you don’t believe me, just ask Judd Apatow.

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  85. @gcochran
    Two of mine are in physics grad school, one a junior majoring in physics. Anyone can do it.

    I’m sure that for your family that’s true. :)

    Btw, comments like that are one of the most annoying things about the iSteve crew. Yeah, yeah, I get it. You and your family are a bunch of geniuses. If you truly believe that “anyone” can major in physics, you’re an aspy who needs to get out more. Sorry but us Morlocks with our 125 IQs find physics kind of hard – and, as difficult as you might find this to believe, there are people who find high school algebra and geometry kind of hard.

    Hey, be happy that you (and, apparently, your kids) won the genetic lottery, but at least acknowledge that you did, in fact, win and not everybody runs home with the Golden Ticket.

    Look, I’m just pointing out the unfairness that surrounds most black kids at the top of their group. Even blacks kids who are in the top ~2% of their race clock in around an IQ of 115 to 125. Yes, there are a few who are 3 SD who end up past 130, but, in general, all but a literal handful of the top one or two percent of blacks are in that 115 to 125 range. Reasonably smart human beings, yes, but Harvard or MIT material, no. And that’s the tragedy.

    These kids aren’t coming from the ghetto, so Good Whites must explain their failure and the usual suspects don’t quite make sense, so Good Whites start looking around. And very quietly, they start to blame blacks themselves. Don’t study enough. Culture. Etc.

    Obviously, Good Whites can’t accept genetic differences. But if Bad Whites aren’t in the picture, you start to run out of suspects to blame. Naturally, Good White won’t blame themselves so they turn to blacks – or teachers – for the failure.

    Regardless, it’s unfair to keep telling blacks that they should be scoring as well as whites or NE Asians. Just like it would be unfair for me to tell my kids that their failures for not getting perfect scores on the SAT/ACT. For your kids, they’re just reaching their natural abilities; for my kids, it’s asking them to climb Everest with a backpack of filled with granola bars. (And, yes, my kids are reasonably bright, but to pretend that

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    I'm within several standard deviations of absolute certainty that gcochran was being sarcastic and would generally agree with your (much more, uh, detailed) comments.
    , @Greek Feta
    Based on your reply, dear citizen, I nominate Cochran for the Most Efficient Troll of the Week prize. Well done, Greg!
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  86. @syonredux
    So, do they think that Trump will start by exterminating his grandchildren?You know, start small, then go big?

    We must never forget that Magda Goebbels took out all six of her cute little Aryan kids. Poisoned them in their sleep. And she won all of those Nazi “Mother of the Year” awards!

    (Useless trivia: Joan Crawford was once named “Mother of the Year” by some … someone. In fact, Christina Crawford wanted to call her book Mother of the Year, but eventually settled on Mommie Dearest.)

    So, to follow the logic:

    * Nazis kill kids, even their own.
    * Donald Trump is a Nazi.
    * Donald Trump has grandkids.
    * Ergo, Donald Trump plans to murder his grandchildren in cold blood.

    Now, doesn’t that make perfect sense? (If it doesn’t, then your goyishe kopf simply isn’t up to snuff.)

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    We must never forget that Magda Goebbels took out all six of her cute little Aryan kids. Poisoned them in their sleep. And she won all of those Nazi “Mother of the Year” awards!
     


    She made sure she won the "Mother of the Year" awards first.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    The generous explanation is that Magda Goebbels was probably terrified of her children being abused and raped by Russian soldiers, especially the older girls.
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  87. SFG says:
    @PiltdownMan
    What's all this folderol about President Trump and Jews? Any New Yorker can see that the man comes across as vaguely New York Jewish in his affect, more than anything else.

    Like I said, it’s unlikely. His critics are likely to keep not only their lives but their Upper West Side apartments.

    But, that’s the way the thinking goes.

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  88. newrouter says:

    “SAM DANGREMOND”

    kinda evelyn waugh: sam dangerman/world

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  89. SFG says:
    @Lot

    all seem like winks at the counter-Semitic crowd.
     
    They do if you are retarded.

    Anti-semites are a despised group, including by Trump of course, and look for any remote sign someone in power likes them. Likewise, professional anti-anti-Semites need anti-Semites to stay in business, so they also scour every one of Trump's statement for the slightest suggestion of anti-Semitic content.

    This is the entirety of the White House press release, which I highly doubt Trump ever saw much less wrote, much less conveyed secret subtext messages to Stormfront's NEET crew, but which both the anti's and the anti-anti's got so excited about:

    Statement by the President on International Holocaust Remembrance Day

    It is with a heavy heart and somber mind that we remember and honor the victims, survivors, heroes of the Holocaust. It is impossible to fully fathom the depravity and horror inflicted on innocent people by Nazi terror.

    Yet, we know that in the darkest hours of humanity, light shines the brightest.‎ As we remember those who died, we are deeply grateful to those who risked their lives to save the innocent.

    In the name of the perished, I pledge to do everything in my power throughout my Presidency, and my life, to ensure that the forces of evil never again defeat the powers of good. Together, we will make love and tolerance prevalent throughout the world.”
     

    Not exactly a Der Stürmer editorial, is it?

    No, it isn’t. I’m saying that’s how they think. I’m not saying an American Holocaust is likely or even probable.

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    There isn't much difference between likely and probable. Both are extremely high odds. Thanks for the reassurances.
    , @AndrewR
    "Likely" is an Anglo-Saxon synonym to "probably."

    An "American Holocaust" is pretty much impossible. Americans are the most pro-Hebrew people in history. Virtually everyone in the US thinks either that Israel is Our Greatest Ally (if not the Holy Land of God's Chosen People) or that Hitler was unquestionably Teh Most Ebil Dude Evar. Many people people, of course, think both of these things. Jewish paranoia about anti-Semitism in the US is one of the most irrational phenemona in human history.

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  90. SFG says:
    @Marina
    I will never understand why the Trump kids go to school. If I had Trump level money, I'd go full nineteenth century and have private tutors/governesses. Ivanka was so miserable at school she used to call her father collect from the janitor's closet during lunch. It's a cute story, as he'd interrupt business meetings to take her calls, but I was just left wondering why he didn't yank her out of school entirely. But then, I'm not Trump level rich, so what do I know? I'm sure the networking options at these schools are fantastic.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3700544/He-pick-phone-single-time-Ivanka-Trump-tells-sweet-story-calling-dad-collect-everyday-janitor-s-closet-school.html

    They don’t get socialized. A huge portion of the whole high school experience is learning how to negotiate social networks. If you’re not popular in high school you better be real good with computers.

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    Yeah, that figures. That said, I found my social problems magically vanished once I left compulsory schooling. Adults have far more autonomy in their choice of environments than children do. No more legally enforced sitting in a room of people exactly the same age for 6 hours a day for no pay! Adulthood is awesome.
    , @Triumph104
    Strange she would make a collect call within Manhattan. In her teens, Ivanka Trump attended Choate Rosemary Hall boarding school. Educator John Taylor Gatto lists 14 principles taught in an elite private school education:

    1. A theory of human nature (as embodied in history, philosophy, theology, literature and law).
    2. Skill in the active literacies (writing, public speaking).
    3. Insight into the major institutional forms (courts, corporations, military, education).
    4. Repeated exercises in the forms of good manners and politeness; based on the truth that politeness and civility are the foundation of all future relationships, all future alliances, and access to places that you might want to go.
    5. Independent work.
    6. Energetic physical sports are not a luxury, or a way to “blow off steam,” but they are absolutely the only way to confer grace on the human presence, and that that grace translates into power and money later on. Also, sports teach you practice in handling pain, and in dealing with emergencies.
    7. A complete theory of access to any place and any person.
    8. Responsibility as an utterly essential part of the curriculum; always to grab responsibility when it is offered and always to deliver more than is asked for.
    9. Arrival at a personal code of standards (in production, behavior and morality).
    10. To have a familiarity with, and to be at ease with, the fine arts. (cultural capital)
    11. The power of accurate observation and recording. For example, sharpen the perception by being able to draw accurately.
    12. The ability to deal with challenges of all sorts.
    13. A habit of caution in reasoning to conclusions.
    14. The constant development and testing of prior judgements: you make judgements, you discriminate value, and then you follow up and “keep an eye” on your predictions to see how far skewed, or how consistent, your predictions were.

    https://tragedyandhope.com/th-films/the-ultimate-history-lesson/14-themes-of-the-elite-private-school-curriculum/
    , @Bill
    Also, if you don't have your children watch TV from birth, they won't learn to talk. The more you know . . .
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  91. SFG says:
    @gcochran
    Two of mine are in physics grad school, one a junior majoring in physics. Anyone can do it.

    You’re a famous scientist. Obviously the genes are well above average.

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    I just watched the 2017 HBO documentary on Warren Buffett. While I knew that his father was a politician, I was actually surprised to find out that Buffett's father was a stock broker and investor. No wonder Buffett always talks about the birth lottery. His father had to deal with the depression. Buffett is also aware that he had the advantage of learning the language of investing as a child and having access to all of his father's reading material.
    , @BB753
    I assume Cochran also married an above average IQ woman.
    , @ben tillman

    You’re a famous scientist. Obviously the genes are well above average.
     
    He knows that, and he's kidding when he says, "Anyone can do it".
    , @Opinionator
    How obtuse can Cochran be? Unbelievable.
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  92. newrouter says:

    dangremond reports you decide:

    “Here’s What We Know About the Membership of Mar-a-Lago

    What it costs to join, who you might run into, and what membership gets you at Donald Trump’s private club in Palm Beach.”

    http://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a9606/mar-a-lago-facts/

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  93. Why wouldn’t the Dalton parents want America to become the world’s richest Third World country? Because let’s face it, the only issue that matters right now is immigration.

    Third World countries are pretty great for elites. They also get the added frisson of seeing all their miserable countrymen who have no chance in hell of ever competing with the elites, or their children. Makes all that luxury just a little sweeter.

    The Charter school debate seems to be folks who wouldn’t let their own children within a mile of a failing trad school objecting to low-income parents having the opportunity to get their kids out of there.

    They complain about charters ‘skimming’ the good students and leaving the indifferent children and children of indifferent parents behind. They get to sound righteous about Charters ‘taking’ $ from public schools, when all Charters in NYC are actually public. But really, if these kids deserved to go to a better school, their parents would find a way to come up w/ 37 grand for Dalton.

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    Why wouldn’t the Dalton parents want America to become the world’s richest Third World country? Because let’s face it, the only issue that matters right now is immigration.

    Third World countries are pretty great for elites. They also get the added frisson of seeing all their miserable countrymen who have no chance in hell of ever competing with the elites, or their children. Makes all that luxury just a little sweeter.
     

    In purely material terms, that's true. But do they ever think it through? Elites tend to run things, like countries. Which country would they rather run: America in the 1960s, or Brazil today? Would they rather be Ted Kennedy or Henry Cabot Lodge Jr., or whatever their equivalents are in present day Brasilia? Would they rather preside over a country, the greatest achievement of which is sending men to the Moon? Or of a country the greatest achievement of which is not having any major prison riots during the Olympics?

    Would they rather be a minister in Queen Victoria's England? Or a pasha in the late Ottoman Empire?

    What's the point of being master of the game, if the game that you're master of is low-rent and crappy?

    , @Triumph104
    The only significant opponents to public charter schools are teachers' unions and the NAACP, which receives funding from teachers' unions.

    Success Academy, the largest charter school network in New York City, just hired LaMae de Jongh as Chief Scaling Officer. De Jongh's son attends Dalton and he is a competitive chess player. De Jongh married into a talented-tenth US Virgin Island family. Her brother-in-law was governor of the USVI.

    Ms. de Jongh has been recognized by Crain’s Business as one of New York City’s Top 40 under 40 rising business leaders, and she is a David Rockefeller Fellow. She is a Director of Carver Federal Savings Bank, and also serves as Co-Vice Chair of the Board of the Children’s Museum of Manhattan.  She currently is the President of the Dalton School’s Parent Association and a trustee of the Dalton Board of Trustees. She holds a B.A. from Princeton University, and resides with her husband, son, and mother in Manhattan.
     
    http://www.successacademies.org/press-releases/success-academy-hires-chief-scaling-officer-and-chief-people-officer-to-support-expansion-to-100-schools-to-provide-high-quality-education-to-50000-schoolchildren/#sthash.zY3Wgfvf.dpuf

    LaMae de Jongh's mother was a bank teller and her father owned a shoe repair shop. One day her father was talking to a white acquaintance about LaMae going to college. The acquaintance mentioned that he went to Princeton so she applied to the university and was accepted.
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  94. Ed says:
    @Lot
    Dalton didn't stop downward mobility for MY.

    His maternal grandfather started one of the largest economic consulting firms in the USA and likely made more than $10 million from this. His paternal grandparents published a collective 20 books and a ton of highbrow magazine articles. His father wrote his first novel at 15, dropped out of high school, and had it published when he was 17. He also invested in Greenwich Village real estate when it was cheap. MY does not seem to be doing bad, but Logan Circle isn't that nice and Vox is ranked 404 on Alexa (Breitbart is 29).

    He’s has to have an equity stake in Vox and it has attracted major equity investment. He’s not downwardly mobile, this is laughable.

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    Vox Media was in existence for 12 years before Ezra Klein and MY were hired to launch and write for Vox.com.

    They would thus never have seen even a hint of founders' money. Who knows, maybe they were given a ton of money needlessly when they were hired. But talented journalists are cheap so I doubt it.

    The bloggers who likely made a lot of money were the actual 2002 founders, Markos Zuniga of Daily Kos and Jerome Armstrong of MyDD.com. Perhaps even more than $10 million each. But Markos is a talented web developer so that isn't too unusual.
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  95. @Triumph104
    TV weatherman Al Roker's daughter attended Dalton until she started struggling in middle school. She conveniently discovered her passion for acting and attended Fiorello H. Laguardia High School Of Music & Art and Performing Arts, the FAME high school.

    The elite private schools in New York City accept kindergartners with strong social skills and parents with impressive job titles or high incomes. Everything is fine until 6th grade when the academics become rigorous. Kids who can't keep up are "counseled out" or leave on their own steam. They are replaced by ninth graders who test in the 99th percentile and have a strong chance of being admitted to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, or Stanford. College placement is what attracts parents to these prep schools.

    Elite schools aren't good; they are just good at cherry-picking.

    My guess is that in the 90s, prep schools across the US were told to diversify or the HYPS-type would no longer consider their students for admission, which is why Dalton kids can't skate at Trump's rink. In the documentary American Promise, the boys are among the first wave of intentionally diverse students.

    One boy is the son of a doctor and lawyer/documentarian, Harvard Medical School and Columbia Law School. The other boy is the son of a nurse and engineer. Both mothers are immigrants. Since the boys were academic duds, none of their siblings got a shot a Dalton. The other son of the doctor and lawyer wound up at Brooklyn Friends.

    By far the best name for the fancy schools in NYC is Ethical Culture Fieldston School.

    It costs 47 grand from pre-K to “Forms III-VI”

    https://www.ecfs.org/admissions/tuition-and-fees

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  96. To Dalton parents, whose children have nowhere to go except down…

    On whom?

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    The headmaster.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Martin Luther King,I guess.
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  97. Mr. Anon says:
    @Greenstalk

    “it’s a very diverse community.” …
     
    Which invariably means "Everyone here thinks exactly alike, and any hint of nonconformity is punished."

    The word “diverse” gets put, unthinkingly, into all sorts of statements nowadays. It is de rigueur in any kind of statement made by a large organization about itself (“we have a diverse workforce….etc.”) whether it is true or not; oftentimes small organizations too.

    It is nothing but cant.

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  98. Mr. Anon says:
    @SFG
    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.

    There's a definite subtext of old money versus new money, Manhattan versus the outer boroughs, to this Trump thing, I can tell you. But I think the ethnic hysteria is probably the predominant factor. A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they're worried.

    A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they’re worried.

    Because they’re paranoid? Because that’s the only reason I can fathom. It doesn’t take a genius to see that Trump is not exactly Heinrich Himmler.

    Okay, some people are paranoid. I get it. But I’m generally of the opinion that their paranoia should be their problem, not ours.

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  99. @Dahlia
    Coulter? Nice!

    I'm followed by a couple moderately well-known conservative writers (very recently), which I find a little intimidating, but nothing is more intimidating to me than being followed by serious music lovers and critics: I'm not worthy!!!

    nothing is more intimidating to me than being followed by serious music lovers and critics: I’m not worthy!!!

    But have you been followed by any authentic jazzmen who are also certified menses? Otherwise, you are nothing, nothing…

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  100. @SFG
    No, it isn't. I'm saying that's how they think. I'm not saying an American Holocaust is likely or even probable.

    There isn’t much difference between likely and probable. Both are extremely high odds. Thanks for the reassurances.

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  101. Marina says:
    @SFG
    They don't get socialized. A huge portion of the whole high school experience is learning how to negotiate social networks. If you're not popular in high school you better be real good with computers.

    Yeah, that figures. That said, I found my social problems magically vanished once I left compulsory schooling. Adults have far more autonomy in their choice of environments than children do. No more legally enforced sitting in a room of people exactly the same age for 6 hours a day for no pay! Adulthood is awesome.

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    Well college is awesome but I have found that real life is quite a bit like high school.
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  102. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot
    Social conservative activists are not very welcome at top law firms, but corporate lawyers working for Fortune 500 companies are plenty conservative on economic issues. Look at the lawyers for the firms opposing abortion, affirmative action and gay rights v the ones opposing environmental regulations and defending monopolies.

    Kellyanne Conway's husband George is a litigator at Wachtell Lipton Rosen & Katz, which pays its first year lawyers about $300,000 a year and he is rumored to be the favorite for Trump's SG. They were both involved with Linda Tripp/Lucianne Goldberg in getting the Monica Lewinsky story out. (If you are wondering from the photos, he is half Filipino).

    Social conservative activists are not very welcome at top law firms, but corporate lawyers working for Fortune 500 companies are plenty conservative on economic issues.

    Plenty of people who are “conservative on economic issues” are essentially liberal in every other outlook. I don’t consider them to be “conservative” – not as I understand the term.

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    Plenty of people who are “conservative on economic issues” are essentially liberal in every other outlook.
     
    If you're “conservative on economic issues” and socially liberal then you are in fact a liberal. You're a right-liberal rather than a left-liberal. Right-liberals are in general even more dangerous and socially and culturally destructive than left-liberals.

    If you're “conservative on economic issues” and socially liberal and you claim to be a conservative you're either deluded or a liar.
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  103. Mr. Anon says:
    @PiltdownMan
    What's all this folderol about President Trump and Jews? Any New Yorker can see that the man comes across as vaguely New York Jewish in his affect, more than anything else.

    Trump doesn’t seem to have any particular animus against blacks (excuse me, against “the blacks”) or homosexuals. No animus against them at all, as far as I can tell. And yet many of them have convinced themselves that he is the second coming of Theodore Bilbo or Anita Bryant, or something.

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    Trump doesn’t seem to have any particular animus against blacks (excuse me, against “the blacks”) or homosexuals. No animus against them at all, as far as I can tell.
     

    That is entirely consistent with his personal history as a product of New York City in the 1970s. The disco era, in other words.

    , @snorlax
    Trump's strongly in favor of harshly punishing criminals, which is de facto anti-black. He doesn't see it that way of course, but they most certainly do. Gays would probably like Trump better if he'd chosen a less SoCon veep.
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  104. Mr. Anon says:
    @Marina
    I will never understand why the Trump kids go to school. If I had Trump level money, I'd go full nineteenth century and have private tutors/governesses. Ivanka was so miserable at school she used to call her father collect from the janitor's closet during lunch. It's a cute story, as he'd interrupt business meetings to take her calls, but I was just left wondering why he didn't yank her out of school entirely. But then, I'm not Trump level rich, so what do I know? I'm sure the networking options at these schools are fantastic.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3700544/He-pick-phone-single-time-Ivanka-Trump-tells-sweet-story-calling-dad-collect-everyday-janitor-s-closet-school.html

    I will never understand why the Trump kids go to school. If I had Trump level money, I’d go full nineteenth century and have private tutors/governesses.

    Like Phillip of Macedon, he could afford to have the World’s greatest philosopher teach his son. Unfortunately, nowadays that would be Peter Singer, not Aristotle.

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  105. @SFG
    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.

    There's a definite subtext of old money versus new money, Manhattan versus the outer boroughs, to this Trump thing, I can tell you. But I think the ethnic hysteria is probably the predominant factor. A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they're worried.

    A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they’re worried.

    SFG, what sort of things do these people say?

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    Masha Gessen's probably the best example, but you remember Matt Yglesias saying random mobs were going to be attacking Jews (and minorities) in the streets. There are others, of course.
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  106. Mr. Anon says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Why wouldn't the Dalton parents want America to become the world's richest Third World country? Because let's face it, the only issue that matters right now is immigration.

    Third World countries are pretty great for elites. They also get the added frisson of seeing all their miserable countrymen who have no chance in hell of ever competing with the elites, or their children. Makes all that luxury just a little sweeter.

    The Charter school debate seems to be folks who wouldn't let their own children within a mile of a failing trad school objecting to low-income parents having the opportunity to get their kids out of there.

    They complain about charters 'skimming' the good students and leaving the indifferent children and children of indifferent parents behind. They get to sound righteous about Charters 'taking' $ from public schools, when all Charters in NYC are actually public. But really, if these kids deserved to go to a better school, their parents would find a way to come up w/ 37 grand for Dalton.

    Why wouldn’t the Dalton parents want America to become the world’s richest Third World country? Because let’s face it, the only issue that matters right now is immigration.

    Third World countries are pretty great for elites. They also get the added frisson of seeing all their miserable countrymen who have no chance in hell of ever competing with the elites, or their children. Makes all that luxury just a little sweeter.

    In purely material terms, that’s true. But do they ever think it through? Elites tend to run things, like countries. Which country would they rather run: America in the 1960s, or Brazil today? Would they rather be Ted Kennedy or Henry Cabot Lodge Jr., or whatever their equivalents are in present day Brasilia? Would they rather preside over a country, the greatest achievement of which is sending men to the Moon? Or of a country the greatest achievement of which is not having any major prison riots during the Olympics?

    Would they rather be a minister in Queen Victoria’s England? Or a pasha in the late Ottoman Empire?

    What’s the point of being master of the game, if the game that you’re master of is low-rent and crappy?

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    What’s the point of being master of the game, if the game that you’re master of is low-rent and crappy?
     
    And they may not even be masters of that. Societies combined of rich elites and dirt-poor majorities have worked out sometimes in the past, and Brazil hasn't imploded yet. But America and Western Europe might be a different story. The elites have encouraged the cult of equality and entitlement that could well come back to haunt them as they wall themselves up in their gated communities in the minority-white future.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    What’s the point of being master of the game, if the game that you’re master of is low-rent and crappy?
     
    “Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.”

    Some people are greatly motivated to lord power and status over others, even if it brings increased risk and lower quality of life for themselves.
    , @BB753
    Because the only way these people can reach hereditary elite status is by turning America into a Third World country.
    , @Bleuteaux
    I think the sad answer is that in every time and place, the elites prefer to rule over an impoverished peasantry who have no chance of rivaling them versus ruling over any society with a bell-curve wealth distribution. Look at the bloodlust for replacing whites with indentured servants at companies that are already hugely profitable. It's not just enough to be mega-rich. They need to have the same relationship as a dog owner to his pet.
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  107. Thomas says:

    It’s worth mentioning that “Indian-Americans” as a group have the highest per capita income and educational attainment of any ethnic group (not counting, of course, you-know-who). They’re much in evidence everywhere the IT industry is present. I wouldn’t be surprised to see caste-based thinking become en vogue in the coming years.

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    "It’s worth mentioning that 'Indian-Americans' as a group have the highest per capita income and educational attainment of any ethnic group (not counting, of course, you-know-who)."

    On the other hand, have Indians produce any pivotal thinker in the past 50 yrs? Some Indian figures have been famous enough but were they of great consequence?

    Certain types of Indians know how to make money and succeed. But I don't see them as elites of the US. And even without Indians, a kind of caste system is developing cuz of Coming Apart phenom as analyzed by Murray. When women go to college in high numbers and hog top jobs and marry men with top jobs, there you have quasi-caste right there.
    , @PiltdownMan

    It’s worth mentioning that “Indian-Americans” as a group have the highest per capita income and educational attainment of any ethnic group (not counting, of course, you-know-who). They’re much in evidence everywhere the IT industry is present. I wouldn’t be surprised to see caste-based thinking become en vogue in the coming years.
     
    Including you-know-who, if I recall some table rankings correctly. I understand that among small ethic immigrant groups, only Nigerians and Ghanaians outrank them. I don't know the story behind these West African groups.

    The Indian presence in IT is relatively recent and dates back to the Y2K scare which caused the importation of Indian programmers as contract workers. It appears many stayed on, or found a way to, and with the IT boom, companies found a way (the H-1B program) to import many more, getting around the slow and arduous process of regular employment based immigration of sponsorship for green cards.

    I distinctly recall that through the early 1990s, almost all Indians (they were mostly not "Indian-American" yet) I met were engineers or doctors, with a handful of finance industry employees, presumably the cream of the crop. It seemed that those that I met first arrived to attend graduate school in the US on merit based scholarships.

    The next wave seemed to consist of poor relatives in the motel and convenience store business, and in New York, Sikh cab drivers.

    Indian IT types showed up later.

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  108. @Lugash
    OT:

    More petit corruption from the NYPD:

    https://twitter.com/placardabuse

    I have a feeling that someday we're going to get a big NYPD corruption scandal.

    The NYPD starts officers at around 30-40k and demands a residency requirement in the city.

    You think about it a little bit.

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    Not 30K, 40K+
    http://work.chron.com/salary-rookie-cop-nypd-2215.html
    , @slumber_j
    No, NYPD officers do not have to live in NYC. Hence the extreme coppiness of certain parts of Long Island.
    , @Lugash
    I thought about it. I can't quite connect why NYC law enforcement should be allowed to park illegally, have cars that aren't registered and don't follow code to entry pay rates for the NYPD. If it's an issue, maybe the NYPD should ask for higher pay?

    I'm surprised that these cars aren't getting keyed and having their tires flattened.
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  109. @SFG
    They don't get socialized. A huge portion of the whole high school experience is learning how to negotiate social networks. If you're not popular in high school you better be real good with computers.

    Strange she would make a collect call within Manhattan. In her teens, Ivanka Trump attended Choate Rosemary Hall boarding school. Educator John Taylor Gatto lists 14 principles taught in an elite private school education:

    1. A theory of human nature (as embodied in history, philosophy, theology, literature and law).
    2. Skill in the active literacies (writing, public speaking).
    3. Insight into the major institutional forms (courts, corporations, military, education).
    4. Repeated exercises in the forms of good manners and politeness; based on the truth that politeness and civility are the foundation of all future relationships, all future alliances, and access to places that you might want to go.
    5. Independent work.
    6. Energetic physical sports are not a luxury, or a way to “blow off steam,” but they are absolutely the only way to confer grace on the human presence, and that that grace translates into power and money later on. Also, sports teach you practice in handling pain, and in dealing with emergencies.
    7. A complete theory of access to any place and any person.
    8. Responsibility as an utterly essential part of the curriculum; always to grab responsibility when it is offered and always to deliver more than is asked for.
    9. Arrival at a personal code of standards (in production, behavior and morality).
    10. To have a familiarity with, and to be at ease with, the fine arts. (cultural capital)
    11. The power of accurate observation and recording. For example, sharpen the perception by being able to draw accurately.
    12. The ability to deal with challenges of all sorts.
    13. A habit of caution in reasoning to conclusions.
    14. The constant development and testing of prior judgements: you make judgements, you discriminate value, and then you follow up and “keep an eye” on your predictions to see how far skewed, or how consistent, your predictions were.

    https://tragedyandhope.com/th-films/the-ultimate-history-lesson/14-themes-of-the-elite-private-school-curriculum/

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  110. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Reg Cæsar

    To Dalton parents, whose children have nowhere to go except down...
     
    On whom?

    The headmaster.

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  111. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Why wouldn't the Dalton parents want America to become the world's richest Third World country? Because let's face it, the only issue that matters right now is immigration.

    Third World countries are pretty great for elites. They also get the added frisson of seeing all their miserable countrymen who have no chance in hell of ever competing with the elites, or their children. Makes all that luxury just a little sweeter.

    The Charter school debate seems to be folks who wouldn't let their own children within a mile of a failing trad school objecting to low-income parents having the opportunity to get their kids out of there.

    They complain about charters 'skimming' the good students and leaving the indifferent children and children of indifferent parents behind. They get to sound righteous about Charters 'taking' $ from public schools, when all Charters in NYC are actually public. But really, if these kids deserved to go to a better school, their parents would find a way to come up w/ 37 grand for Dalton.

    The only significant opponents to public charter schools are teachers’ unions and the NAACP, which receives funding from teachers’ unions.

    Success Academy, the largest charter school network in New York City, just hired LaMae de Jongh as Chief Scaling Officer. De Jongh’s son attends Dalton and he is a competitive chess player. De Jongh married into a talented-tenth US Virgin Island family. Her brother-in-law was governor of the USVI.

    Ms. de Jongh has been recognized by Crain’s Business as one of New York City’s Top 40 under 40 rising business leaders, and she is a David Rockefeller Fellow. She is a Director of Carver Federal Savings Bank, and also serves as Co-Vice Chair of the Board of the Children’s Museum of Manhattan.  She currently is the President of the Dalton School’s Parent Association and a trustee of the Dalton Board of Trustees. She holds a B.A. from Princeton University, and resides with her husband, son, and mother in Manhattan.

    http://www.successacademies.org/press-releases/success-academy-hires-chief-scaling-officer-and-chief-people-officer-to-support-expansion-to-100-schools-to-provide-high-quality-education-to-50000-schoolchildren/#sthash.zY3Wgfvf.dpuf

    LaMae de Jongh’s mother was a bank teller and her father owned a shoe repair shop. One day her father was talking to a white acquaintance about LaMae going to college. The acquaintance mentioned that he went to Princeton so she applied to the university and was accepted.

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    Al Franken voted against Betsy DeVos as education secretary.

    Minnesota Sen. Al Franken’s two children attend Dalton School, described by the liberal-leaning Daily Beast as “one of New York’s most exclusive and rigorous private schools and boasts an impressive roster of celebrity alumni, including Anderson Cooper and Claire Danes.” Dalton’s application asks parents to list any prestigious titles they hold, including, “Princess, Senate and Ambassador,” according to TheDaily Beast.

    Franken describes Dalton as “a very high-powered, expensive New York City private high school.” How expensive? Dalton’s tuition is currently $44,640 a year.

    Franken’s daughter, Thomasin, is director of extended learning at DC Prep, which provides managerial assistance to “high-performing charter schools.”

    NEA gave Franken $10,000 in campaign funds.
     
    http://dailysignal.com/2017/01/09/senate-dems-set-to-scrutinize-trumps-ed-secretary-pick-attended-private-schools/
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  112. renault says:
    @SFG
    Just in case: generic example of very attractive Hollywood star. A few decades ago I used Cindy Crawford, then Monica Bellucci.

    Fun fact: Monica Bellucci is older than Cindy Crawford.

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    Maybe Monica should be selling the anti-aging creme.
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  113. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Lot

    all seem like winks at the counter-Semitic crowd.
     
    They do if you are retarded.

    Anti-semites are a despised group, including by Trump of course, and look for any remote sign someone in power likes them. Likewise, professional anti-anti-Semites need anti-Semites to stay in business, so they also scour every one of Trump's statement for the slightest suggestion of anti-Semitic content.

    This is the entirety of the White House press release, which I highly doubt Trump ever saw much less wrote, much less conveyed secret subtext messages to Stormfront's NEET crew, but which both the anti's and the anti-anti's got so excited about:

    Statement by the President on International Holocaust Remembrance Day

    It is with a heavy heart and somber mind that we remember and honor the victims, survivors, heroes of the Holocaust. It is impossible to fully fathom the depravity and horror inflicted on innocent people by Nazi terror.

    Yet, we know that in the darkest hours of humanity, light shines the brightest.‎ As we remember those who died, we are deeply grateful to those who risked their lives to save the innocent.

    In the name of the perished, I pledge to do everything in my power throughout my Presidency, and my life, to ensure that the forces of evil never again defeat the powers of good. Together, we will make love and tolerance prevalent throughout the world.”
     

    Not exactly a Der Stürmer editorial, is it?

    It has less to do with Trump personally and more to do with the association with the alt-right, which will persist after Trump leaves office.

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    The alt-right is not hostile to Jews per se. They are hostile to Jewish hypocrisy. Richard Spencer even speaks of "white Zionism". Kevin MacDonald advises that white must take up Jewish strategies to prosper. The alt-right wants to be the "New Jews".

    So this means is the alt-right wants is the have same privileges that Jews have. They want to have an ethno-state, tribalism, perpetual victimhood. The alt-right wants an ethno-state that has the right to build a wall, deport illegal infiltrators, and ensure a permanent majority.

    The alt-right wants to be able to call themselves the Chosen People without anyone raising an eyebrow.

    What drives the alt-right absolutely wild with rage is seeing a Jewish commentator preaching one set of values for Jews and a completely different set for Gentiles.
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  114. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Thomas
    It's worth mentioning that "Indian-Americans" as a group have the highest per capita income and educational attainment of any ethnic group (not counting, of course, you-know-who). They're much in evidence everywhere the IT industry is present. I wouldn't be surprised to see caste-based thinking become en vogue in the coming years.

    “It’s worth mentioning that ‘Indian-Americans’ as a group have the highest per capita income and educational attainment of any ethnic group (not counting, of course, you-know-who).”

    On the other hand, have Indians produce any pivotal thinker in the past 50 yrs? Some Indian figures have been famous enough but were they of great consequence?

    Certain types of Indians know how to make money and succeed. But I don’t see them as elites of the US. And even without Indians, a kind of caste system is developing cuz of Coming Apart phenom as analyzed by Murray. When women go to college in high numbers and hog top jobs and marry men with top jobs, there you have quasi-caste right there.

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    On the other hand, have Indians produce any pivotal thinker in the past 50 yrs? Some Indian figures have been famous enough but were they of great consequence?

    Certain types of Indians know how to make money and succeed. But I don’t see them as elites of the US.
     


    I think the period from 1945 to the present day is notable for the relative paucity of pivotal thinkers when compared to the 70 year period before that date—in all cultures and civilizations.

    As for Indian Americans, while a lot of them were good students and test takers, I get the impression that their aspirations and horizons are entirely of a bourgeois suburban nature, and a rather safe acultural aspirations at that.

    They push their kids to go to law school and medical school and produce a Preet Bharara here or a Bobby Jindal there.

    But I doubt if there are going to be many Indian American versions of Rodgers and Hammerstein or Leonard Bernstein or Mortimer Adler or Issac Asimov or even a Sam Goldwyn...you get the idea.
    , @benjaminl
    Thinkers: I think Rushdie should get some credit. Amartya Sen is beloved by the great and the good. "Development as Freedom" is cited 28000 times on Google Scholar.

    As far as "consequence" in the broader sense:

    In the cultural sphere, Viswanathan Anand + Bollywood + cricket. I'm personally grateful to India for Aishwarya Rai.

    I guess Orwell (Bihar), Lawrence Durrell (Punjab), Cliff Richard (Lucknow), Engelbert Humperdinck (Madras), Pete Best (Madras), Julie Christie (Assam) shouldn't be counted ;)

    They do produce a lot of figures like Sai Baba, Rajneesh, Jiddu Krishamurti who obviously make an impact on millions of people, though I couldn't really assess them fairly.

    I wonder how typical this guy is:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subhash_Kak

    Subhash Kak (born March 26, 1947 in Srinagar) is an Indian American computer scientist. He is Regents Professor and a previous Head of Computer Science Department at Oklahoma State University–Stillwater who has made contributions to cryptography, artificial neural networks, and quantum information.
    Kak is also notable for his Indological publications on the history of science, the philosophy of science, ancient astronomy, and the history of mathematics.[1] Alan Sokal labeled Kak "one of the leading intellectual luminaries of the Hindu-nationalist diaspora."[2]
     
    , @Hbd investor
    >On the other hand, have Indians produce any pivotal thinker in the past 50 yrs? 

    Low hanging fruit

    Newton, Gauss etc... weren't super smart, they were only smart for their time period

    Science, math and technology get progressively more difficult just like everyone can agree that calculus is more difficult than the pythagorean theorem.

    If you cloned Einstein with modern day technology, he would merely be a above average scientist.

    The fact is modern day pivotal thinkers are rare in the past 50 years off the top of my head

    1. Stephen hawking
    2. Andrew wiles
    3. Grigori Perelman
    4. Shinichi mochizuki
    5. Terence tao
    6. Peter Higgs
    7. Yitang zhang
    8. Edward Witten

    2 jews
    2 chinese
    1 Japanese
    3 Europeans (Surprisingly all 3 are BRITISH!)

    Statistically since modern day pivotal thinkers are so rare and if you assume that only a tiny upper caste population of indians have iq comparable to modern nations 98-105 and to be a pivotal thinker you need 160 iq minimum, years of quality and dedicated training. Statistically you won't see pivotal thinker indians.

    Pivotal thinkers however,

    do not disprove the existence of a high iq indian caste

    But it does disprove the alleged 115 indian Brahman claims. Higher caste indian american iq is probably 103-105

    Jews have a tiny population but have produced 2 pivotal thinkers.
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  115. @SFG
    You're a famous scientist. Obviously the genes are well above average.

    I just watched the 2017 HBO documentary on Warren Buffett. While I knew that his father was a politician, I was actually surprised to find out that Buffett’s father was a stock broker and investor. No wonder Buffett always talks about the birth lottery. His father had to deal with the depression. Buffett is also aware that he had the advantage of learning the language of investing as a child and having access to all of his father’s reading material.

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    tri, My son made his money advising stock brokers and retired at age 40. I love to hear him talk to my grandchildren about the Market and money matters. They all have their own portfolios and bank cards. So they are learning the language of investing too.
    , @keuril
    Learning the "language of investing" is not hard. The hard thing is to conjure a bankroll at the same time that one's randomly selected investment philosophy becomes profitable.
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  116. Lot says:
    @Ed
    He's has to have an equity stake in Vox and it has attracted major equity investment. He's not downwardly mobile, this is laughable.

    Vox Media was in existence for 12 years before Ezra Klein and MY were hired to launch and write for Vox.com.

    They would thus never have seen even a hint of founders’ money. Who knows, maybe they were given a ton of money needlessly when they were hired. But talented journalists are cheap so I doubt it.

    The bloggers who likely made a lot of money were the actual 2002 founders, Markos Zuniga of Daily Kos and Jerome Armstrong of MyDD.com. Perhaps even more than $10 million each. But Markos is a talented web developer so that isn’t too unusual.

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  117. O'Really says:
    @gcochran
    Jeffrey Epstein taught at Dalton.

    Similarly, Mariel Hemingway’s character in Woody Allen’s “Manhattan” attended Dalton.

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  118. Dr. Doom says:

    Well their kids could always roller skate in Harlem, but I bet they won’t. Diversity: its so good, its proponents don’t want to waste it on themselves or their kids.

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  119. Gabriel M says:
    @Lot

    all seem like winks at the counter-Semitic crowd.
     
    They do if you are retarded.

    Anti-semites are a despised group, including by Trump of course, and look for any remote sign someone in power likes them. Likewise, professional anti-anti-Semites need anti-Semites to stay in business, so they also scour every one of Trump's statement for the slightest suggestion of anti-Semitic content.

    This is the entirety of the White House press release, which I highly doubt Trump ever saw much less wrote, much less conveyed secret subtext messages to Stormfront's NEET crew, but which both the anti's and the anti-anti's got so excited about:

    Statement by the President on International Holocaust Remembrance Day

    It is with a heavy heart and somber mind that we remember and honor the victims, survivors, heroes of the Holocaust. It is impossible to fully fathom the depravity and horror inflicted on innocent people by Nazi terror.

    Yet, we know that in the darkest hours of humanity, light shines the brightest.‎ As we remember those who died, we are deeply grateful to those who risked their lives to save the innocent.

    In the name of the perished, I pledge to do everything in my power throughout my Presidency, and my life, to ensure that the forces of evil never again defeat the powers of good. Together, we will make love and tolerance prevalent throughout the world.”
     

    Not exactly a Der Stürmer editorial, is it?

    They do if you are retarded.

    Lots of things that millions of people believe are completely retarded. In this case, a lot of Jews are being deliberately bombarded with deceptive information designed to make them believe Trump is the next Hitler in waiting. If you’re not paying attention and you trust the media sources in question, then that’s what you believe.

    A few years ago when the Tea Party was in full swing, there was this weird trend in which whenever there was a mass shooting CNN etc. would tryn and find some way to link it to the Tea Party. In the most absurd example, when the police released the name of a shooter, someone stuck it into google and found that it was a the same name as a Tea Party rally organizer in the state [!!!]. I used to wonder why they did this. Didn’t it just make them look stupid? Why didn’t they wait to see whether there was actually a link? Then I realised: the point wasn’t too link a specific shooting to the Tea Party (for that they could afford to wait until the details came out, after all, eventually there would be one), the point was a to create a link in their viewer’s minds between the Tea Party and violence. No-one really remembers each specific incident and how the media reported it (except aspies on blogs), but they recall at the back of their mind that the Tea Party was linked to an awful lot of mass shootings. It’s the same with Trump anti-antisemitism thing. Each individual piece of evidence just looks like a joke, but that’s only relevant if you’re paying attention. For the typical media-consumer all that matters is that Trump has all these “links” to anti-antisemitism. You can see a lot of examples of this phenomenon if you’re attune to it.

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    Guilt by six degrees of separation. Works like a charm.
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  120. @Thomas
    It's worth mentioning that "Indian-Americans" as a group have the highest per capita income and educational attainment of any ethnic group (not counting, of course, you-know-who). They're much in evidence everywhere the IT industry is present. I wouldn't be surprised to see caste-based thinking become en vogue in the coming years.

    It’s worth mentioning that “Indian-Americans” as a group have the highest per capita income and educational attainment of any ethnic group (not counting, of course, you-know-who). They’re much in evidence everywhere the IT industry is present. I wouldn’t be surprised to see caste-based thinking become en vogue in the coming years.

    Including you-know-who, if I recall some table rankings correctly. I understand that among small ethic immigrant groups, only Nigerians and Ghanaians outrank them. I don’t know the story behind these West African groups.

    The Indian presence in IT is relatively recent and dates back to the Y2K scare which caused the importation of Indian programmers as contract workers. It appears many stayed on, or found a way to, and with the IT boom, companies found a way (the H-1B program) to import many more, getting around the slow and arduous process of regular employment based immigration of sponsorship for green cards.

    I distinctly recall that through the early 1990s, almost all Indians (they were mostly not “Indian-American” yet) I met were engineers or doctors, with a handful of finance industry employees, presumably the cream of the crop. It seemed that those that I met first arrived to attend graduate school in the US on merit based scholarships.

    The next wave seemed to consist of poor relatives in the motel and convenience store business, and in New York, Sikh cab drivers.

    Indian IT types showed up later.

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    Plenty of Sikh farmers in California. They like to specialize in orchard crops, not lettuce. I wonder how many Sikh farmers I can find in our other states.
    , @rec1man
    "I understand that among small ethic immigrant groups, only Nigerians and Ghanaians outrank them. I don’t know the story behind these West African groups."

    Incorrect -

    I have data from Devesh Kapur, book = the other 1%, Page 44
    West Africans dont outrank Indians

    Median Family Income,
    Indian = $110K
    Swiss = $105k
    Nigerian = $70k

    % with Graduate degree
    Indian = 40%
    Taiwan=37%
    Nigeria = 22%
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  121. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @snorlax
    Were you seriously suggesting he run, or were you just trying to get a RT for followers? Both?

    I didn’t expect to get an RT. I was being ironic (I didn’t know how strong he’d be on immigration then). Trump had cited the Wollman Rink during a previous, abortive run for POTUS and a columnist had metaphorically rolled his eyes at that.

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  122. @SFG
    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.

    There's a definite subtext of old money versus new money, Manhattan versus the outer boroughs, to this Trump thing, I can tell you. But I think the ethnic hysteria is probably the predominant factor. A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they're worried.

    I heard Scarlet Johanssen is worried too. Vanishing 1% chances and all that…

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  123. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Dahlia
    Coulter? Nice!

    I'm followed by a couple moderately well-known conservative writers (very recently), which I find a little intimidating, but nothing is more intimidating to me than being followed by serious music lovers and critics: I'm not worthy!!!

    Coulter was a pleasant surprise.

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  124. Boomstick says:
    @SFG
    The example of things like Weimar Germany, where things were OK then went really really bad, radically changes their risk-benefit calculus. If you thought there was even a 1% chance of all your relatives actually being exterminated as the result of a political shift, you'd suddenly become very nervous about even the smallest bit of prejudice against your group, even at relatively low levels. Trump has made no policy promises directly threatening the American Jewish population. But...things like the Holocaust statement that didn't mention the Jews, the famous six-pointed star, the ad featuring three Jews as examples of the global elite, all seem like winks at the counter-Semitic crowd.

    If anything I think he will wink at the Nazis and then fail to deliver any pogroms...but the Forward doesn't really see it that way.

    What makes the Holocaust press release freakout even more ridiculous is that it was worded that way to be inclusive. Lots of gays, Roma, and political undesirables were murdered as well. Literally anything he said in the statement would cause tears in some quarter for being insufficiently woke to some demographic’s death toll.

    The latest media absurdity is the sneering about Trump’s remarks on Sweden:

    “You look at what’s happening in Germany, you look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this. Sweden. They took in large numbers. They’re having problems like they never thought possible. You look at what’s happening in Brussels. You look at what’s happening all over the world. Take a look at Nice. Take a look at Paris. We’ve allowed thousands and thousands of people into our country and there was no way to vet those people. There was no documentation. There was no nothing. So we’re going to keep our country safe.”

    The press misinterpreted this as a claim that there was a terrorist attack that night in Sweden, rather than the obvious meaning: Sweden has imported criminal, jihadist, rape-prone welfare cases, and as a result several Swedish cities have been turned into no-go zones.

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    Lots of gays, Roma, and political undesirables were murdered as well.
     
    Your use of the phrase "as well", which is no doubt unintentional, gives in to the subtly posited recent narrative that the Holocaust was singularly a Jewish experience—because Jews were specifically targeted, while other groups were merely swept into it.

    In fact, Gypsies and homosexuals were two of the three groups specifically targeted by Nazi ideology—the third and largest, of course, being Jews.

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  125. donut says:

    I just came back to let you know :

    I don’t have a radio in my home or car , I drove from Md. to Ca. in silence , no CD player , no itunes . No media designed soundtrack to my life .

    Yet : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jarreau , he will be missed .

    Let’s appreciate George as well before he goes .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Benson

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  126. eah says:

    Oops.

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    The New York Times changed the title of the article to Beyond ‘Hidden Figures’: Nurturing New Black and Latino Math Whizzes.

    The article is excessively long so I knew there were a few nuggets of truth in it. The math program, BEAM, is for poor 6th and 7th graders. Although there are about 80,000 students in each grade in New York City public schools, the program is only for 80 6th graders and 80 7th graders.

    The photos in the article and on the BEAM website show an overabundance of Muslims and there are also a few East Asians. The Times says, "... Jonathan was one of just a few African-American boys at BEAM (some of the other black students were the children of African or Caribbean immigrants)".

    As for BEAM's success: “Although our students make tremendous progress,” Mr. Zaharopol wrote in a 2015 grant proposal, “it is clear that many of them, even our highest achievers, are still well below their potential.”
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  127. @Reg Cæsar

    To Dalton parents, whose children have nowhere to go except down...
     
    On whom?

    Martin Luther King,I guess.

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    Shouldn't that be Martin Luther Kang, as in "We wuz kangs!"
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  128. @Mr. Anon
    Trump doesn't seem to have any particular animus against blacks (excuse me, against "the blacks") or homosexuals. No animus against them at all, as far as I can tell. And yet many of them have convinced themselves that he is the second coming of Theodore Bilbo or Anita Bryant, or something.

    Trump doesn’t seem to have any particular animus against blacks (excuse me, against “the blacks”) or homosexuals. No animus against them at all, as far as I can tell.

    That is entirely consistent with his personal history as a product of New York City in the 1970s. The disco era, in other words.

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  129. @Boomstick
    What makes the Holocaust press release freakout even more ridiculous is that it was worded that way to be inclusive. Lots of gays, Roma, and political undesirables were murdered as well. Literally anything he said in the statement would cause tears in some quarter for being insufficiently woke to some demographic's death toll.

    The latest media absurdity is the sneering about Trump's remarks on Sweden:

    "You look at what's happening in Germany, you look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this. Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible. You look at what's happening in Brussels. You look at what's happening all over the world. Take a look at Nice. Take a look at Paris. We've allowed thousands and thousands of people into our country and there was no way to vet those people. There was no documentation. There was no nothing. So we're going to keep our country safe."

    The press misinterpreted this as a claim that there was a terrorist attack that night in Sweden, rather than the obvious meaning: Sweden has imported criminal, jihadist, rape-prone welfare cases, and as a result several Swedish cities have been turned into no-go zones.

    Lots of gays, Roma, and political undesirables were murdered as well.

    Your use of the phrase “as well”, which is no doubt unintentional, gives in to the subtly posited recent narrative that the Holocaust was singularly a Jewish experience—because Jews were specifically targeted, while other groups were merely swept into it.

    In fact, Gypsies and homosexuals were two of the three groups specifically targeted by Nazi ideology—the third and largest, of course, being Jews.

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    Your use of the phrase “as well”, which is no doubt unintentional, gives in to the subtly posited recent narrative that the Holocaust was singularly a Jewish experience—because Jews were specifically targeted, while other groups were merely swept into it.
     
    It was a singularly Jewish experience. It was their term for their experience. No one (aside from Gypsies) was targeted in a way remotely similar to how the Jews were targeted.

    In fact, it seems that just this past week it has come out that Simon Wiesenthal in the 1970's, for PR purposes, fabricated the claim that five million non-Jews had died in "The Holocaust". Yehuda Bauer, in fact, called him on his dishonesty, and Wiesenthal said that sometimes you have to do stuff like that.

    http://www.jta.org/2017/01/31/news-opinion/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians

    “Five million non-Jews died in the Holocaust.”

    It’s a statement that shows up regularly in declarations about the Nazi era. . . .

    The “5 million” has driven Holocaust historians to distraction ever since Wiesenthal started to peddle it in the 1970s. Wiesenthal told the Washington Post in 1979, “I have sought with Jewish leaders not to talk about 6 million Jewish dead, but rather about 11 million civilians dead, including 6 million Jews.”

    Yehuda Bauer, an Israeli Holocaust scholar who chairs the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, said he warned his friend Wiesenthal, who died in 2005, about spreading the false notion that the Holocaust claimed 11 million victims – 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews.

    “I said to him, ‘Simon, you are telling a lie,’” Bauer recalled in an interview Tuesday. “He said, ‘Sometimes you need to do that to get the results for things you think are essential.’”

    Bauer and other historians who knew Wiesenthal said the Nazi hunter told them that he chose the 5 million number carefully: He wanted a number large enough to attract the attention of non-Jews who might not otherwise care about Jewish suffering, but not larger than the actual number of Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust, 6 million.
     
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    You omit this lot, who were targeted even under Hindenburg for being the wrong kind of Christian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_in_Nazi_Germany
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  130. @anonymous
    "A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them..."

    I have a very intelligent accomplished Jewish friend who falls in this category. He is a libertarian, not liberal, and did not vote for Clinton (or Trump). He's pretty realistic and for the most part would probably fit in well on this site. But he seems genuinely scared of both Trump and Putin. It's doesn't seem rational, it seems like a form of ethnic PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder). Understandable, but not beneficial.

    But he seems genuinely scared of both Trump and Putin.

    The prospect of Trump as an American Putin is plenty worrying. Putin didn’t “exterminate” the Jews of Russia, but his period of rule has seen a significant reduction in the wealth, influence, security and safety of Russian Jews. Any sign that Trump regards Putin as some sort of role model should set alarms ringing in the minds of American Jews. This isn’t paranoia but common sense.

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  131. Karl says:
    @guest
    "I've often mentioned how the word 'controversy' has changed implications over my lifetime from positive to negative"

    Do you remember before 1959? That year saw the publication of Jacques Barzun's House of Intellect. As I recall, it contains a bon mot along the lines of (paraphrasing): we call "controversial" that over which we aren't allowed to have controversy.

    Then again, I don't have the first edition, so I can't vouch for it having been in there from the beginning.

    10 guest > Do you remember before 1959?

    well, yeah I do. US telephone numbers had local-names as their prefix; ie, were NOT all numbers.

    US telephone area codes had a middle digit which MUST BE a “0″ or a “1″.

    There were no postal zip codes. IE, the US post office only hired people who knew how to read handwritten full addresses.

    There weren’t many products sold at retail, in aerosol cans. Raise your hand if you remember the political angle (ok, it’s really just a tangent) to those…

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  132. @Anon
    "It’s worth mentioning that 'Indian-Americans' as a group have the highest per capita income and educational attainment of any ethnic group (not counting, of course, you-know-who)."

    On the other hand, have Indians produce any pivotal thinker in the past 50 yrs? Some Indian figures have been famous enough but were they of great consequence?

    Certain types of Indians know how to make money and succeed. But I don't see them as elites of the US. And even without Indians, a kind of caste system is developing cuz of Coming Apart phenom as analyzed by Murray. When women go to college in high numbers and hog top jobs and marry men with top jobs, there you have quasi-caste right there.

    On the other hand, have Indians produce any pivotal thinker in the past 50 yrs? Some Indian figures have been famous enough but were they of great consequence?

    Certain types of Indians know how to make money and succeed. But I don’t see them as elites of the US.

    I think the period from 1945 to the present day is notable for the relative paucity of pivotal thinkers when compared to the 70 year period before that date—in all cultures and civilizations.

    As for Indian Americans, while a lot of them were good students and test takers, I get the impression that their aspirations and horizons are entirely of a bourgeois suburban nature, and a rather safe acultural aspirations at that.

    They push their kids to go to law school and medical school and produce a Preet Bharara here or a Bobby Jindal there.

    But I doubt if there are going to be many Indian American versions of Rodgers and Hammerstein or Leonard Bernstein or Mortimer Adler or Issac Asimov or even a Sam Goldwyn…you get the idea.

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    "But I doubt if there are going to be many Indian American versions of Rodgers and Hammerstein or Leonard Bernstein or Mortimer Adler or Issac Asimov or even a Sam Goldwyn…you get the idea."

    Well, there's always Deepak Chopra!

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  133. @gcochran
    Two of mine are in physics grad school, one a junior majoring in physics. Anyone can do it.

    A Jewish housewife who wrote sci-fi and romance novels stated that anyone can raise his IQ 50 points by “mental effort.” (It’s in Ayn Rand Answers.)

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    If you have a high IQ to start with, you can score higher by training yourself in IQ-type puzzle solving. Rick Rosner raised his IQ from 170 to 192 for instance. 50 points does sound like a stretch, I agree.
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  134. Randal says:
    @SFG
    The example of things like Weimar Germany, where things were OK then went really really bad, radically changes their risk-benefit calculus. If you thought there was even a 1% chance of all your relatives actually being exterminated as the result of a political shift, you'd suddenly become very nervous about even the smallest bit of prejudice against your group, even at relatively low levels. Trump has made no policy promises directly threatening the American Jewish population. But...things like the Holocaust statement that didn't mention the Jews, the famous six-pointed star, the ad featuring three Jews as examples of the global elite, all seem like winks at the counter-Semitic crowd.

    If anything I think he will wink at the Nazis and then fail to deliver any pogroms...but the Forward doesn't really see it that way.

    Weimar Germany, where things were OK

    OK for whom, exactly?

    By the way, here’s what jewish people thought was a great way to protect their community in Weimar Germany. Look familiar? (Hint – it would if you live in Europe or in Britain, where criminal prosecutions for supposedly “anti-Semitic” speechcrimes are starting to become commonplace. You Americans are protected by your First Amendment for the moment, so you can only have your job and career prospects destroyed for saying the wrong thing. But that won’t last long now, I suspect.)

    Researching my book, I looked into what actually happened in the Weimar Republic. I found that, contrary to what most people think, Weimar Germany did have hate-speech laws, and they were applied quite frequently. The assertion that Nazi propaganda played a significant role in mobilizing anti-Jewish sentiment is, of course, irrefutable. But to claim that the Holocaust could have been prevented if only anti-Semitic speech and Nazi propaganda had been banned has little basis in reality. Leading Nazis such as Joseph Goebbels, Theodor Fritsch, and Julius Streicher were all prosecuted for anti-Semitic speech. Streicher served two prison sentences. Rather than deterring the Nazis and countering anti-Semitism, the many court cases served as effective public-relations machinery, affording Streicher the kind of attention he would never have found in a climate of a free and open debate. In the years from 1923 to 1933, Der Stürmer [Streicher’s newspaper] was either confiscated or editors taken to court on no fewer than thirty-six occasions. The more charges Streicher faced, the greater became the admiration of his supporters. The courts became an important platform for Streicher’s campaign against the Jews. In the words of a present-day civil-rights campaigner, pre-Hitler Germany had laws very much like the anti-hate laws of today, and they were enforced with some vigor.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/copenhagen-speech-violence

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  135. @Stan Adams
    We must never forget that Magda Goebbels took out all six of her cute little Aryan kids. Poisoned them in their sleep. And she won all of those Nazi "Mother of the Year" awards!

    (Useless trivia: Joan Crawford was once named "Mother of the Year" by some ... someone. In fact, Christina Crawford wanted to call her book Mother of the Year, but eventually settled on Mommie Dearest.)

    So, to follow the logic:

    * Nazis kill kids, even their own.
    * Donald Trump is a Nazi.
    * Donald Trump has grandkids.
    * Ergo, Donald Trump plans to murder his grandchildren in cold blood.

    Now, doesn't that make perfect sense? (If it doesn't, then your goyishe kopf simply isn't up to snuff.)

    We must never forget that Magda Goebbels took out all six of her cute little Aryan kids. Poisoned them in their sleep. And she won all of those Nazi “Mother of the Year” awards!

    She made sure she won the “Mother of the Year” awards first.

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  136. @Whiskey
    Steve is 100% spot on again. Its about class and ethnicity/sub-race. As usual.

    [Upper Class] Jews are not worried about Trump turning into Hitler and killing Jews. His son in law, his daughter in law, his grandkids are all Jews and his favorite pol is Bibi for whom he made a re-election commercial. As noted, Trump has been TWICE the Grandmaster of the Israel Day Parade and has also paraded around with a rainbow flag at his rallies.

    And lower class Jews like Trump. Or at least, are not figuring Nazis are around the corner. This is entirely a story about CLASS.

    The Upper Class, being mostly WASP/Puritan/Scandi in nature (no I'm not kidding) along with rich White aging sluts (paging Ashley Judd, paging Scarlett Johanssen*) is terrified that they'll have to share their power, their domination, their MONEY, with the lower classes. That they will not be able to turn America and Europe into greater Nairobi in time to rule like Game of Thrones, their fantasy good-times desire. They hate hate HATE the lower classes like mobs of Indonesians during Suharto's purges of the Chinese.

    Just like Feminists scream "rape" at Haven Monaghan, and then dutifully don burquas and invite in real rapefugees, Upper Class Jews are guilty of the same evasion and revealed preferences. Trump is Andrew Jackson cubed, and that is why they hate him. Because of his basket of deplorables. His backers.

    This is why the primal rage screams of Madonna, Cher, Scarlett Johanssen, and Ashley Judd at the Women's March in DC. And the similar melt-downs by McCain, Grahamnesty, and Meryl Streep. Its all about being Upper Class mixed in with ethnicity/sub-race. Imagine Hutu-Tutsi conflict mixed in with class, with us lower classes as the Tutsis.

    Its really about class and ethnicity, with incompatible views on everything -- food, birth, death, God, leisure, nationhood (or not), borders, welfare, spending, every little bit of it.

    *Scarlett Johanssen, on her second divorce, with her first baby, gave an interview where she said that monogamy was not natural and basically impossible for people. Ahem. Interestingly TV's Supergirl, Melissa Benoist, was also at the rally. And also newly divorced. Nothing like an aging hottie/slut confronting her imminent wall-splat and sexual irrelevance to kindle the upper class Marie Antoinette rage at us lower classes.

    They hate hate HATE the lower classes like mobs of Indonesians during Suharto’s purges of the Chinese.

    Hardly.

    For the most part the Upper Classes don’t give the lower classes much thought at all. And if you live in a city like New York, LA, or D.C., you just won’t see many poor white people. The only poor white people you experience in most big cities are young people on their way up, slumming artists, or crazy homeless people. It becomes second nature to think that all poor people are latino or black, and assume that white people complaining about the economy must be whining.

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    And if you live in a city like New York, LA, or D.C., you just won’t see many poor white people.
     
    But you know they're out there. The mere fact that they exist is both scary and irritating.
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  137. @Stan Adams
    We must never forget that Magda Goebbels took out all six of her cute little Aryan kids. Poisoned them in their sleep. And she won all of those Nazi "Mother of the Year" awards!

    (Useless trivia: Joan Crawford was once named "Mother of the Year" by some ... someone. In fact, Christina Crawford wanted to call her book Mother of the Year, but eventually settled on Mommie Dearest.)

    So, to follow the logic:

    * Nazis kill kids, even their own.
    * Donald Trump is a Nazi.
    * Donald Trump has grandkids.
    * Ergo, Donald Trump plans to murder his grandchildren in cold blood.

    Now, doesn't that make perfect sense? (If it doesn't, then your goyishe kopf simply isn't up to snuff.)

    The generous explanation is that Magda Goebbels was probably terrified of her children being abused and raped by Russian soldiers, especially the older girls.

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    That's what I always figured. Plus the Russians liked to target the relatives of the enemy for reprisals.

    I like to think the fact that we let Stalin's daughter defect and have a nice life as a California hippie shows we're better than them, but then we never actually went to war with Russia directly.

    In that situation I'd say I probably would have done whatever I could to make them unrecognizable and sent them away, one in each direction, to maximize their chances of survival. But...who's to know what they would really do in awful situations like that?

    , @snorlax
    IIRC the statements she made were that she couldn't bear the thought of her children 1) being taught to hate her, and 2) growing up in a world without National Socialism.
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  138. JimB says:
    @anonymous
    "A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them..."

    I have a very intelligent accomplished Jewish friend who falls in this category. He is a libertarian, not liberal, and did not vote for Clinton (or Trump). He's pretty realistic and for the most part would probably fit in well on this site. But he seems genuinely scared of both Trump and Putin. It's doesn't seem rational, it seems like a form of ethnic PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder). Understandable, but not beneficial.

    That is your friend’s problem. The needs of 200 million American citizens outweigh his need to reelect Obama for a third term.

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  139. SFG says:
    @David Davenport
    A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they’re worried.

    SFG, what sort of things do these people say?

    Masha Gessen’s probably the best example, but you remember Matt Yglesias saying random mobs were going to be attacking Jews (and minorities) in the streets. There are others, of course.

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    So far the only "random mobs" attacking people in the streets consist of far-left opponents of Trump attacking those who appear to support Trump.

    It would appear that Trump's opponents project quite a bit.

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  140. SFG says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    The generous explanation is that Magda Goebbels was probably terrified of her children being abused and raped by Russian soldiers, especially the older girls.

    That’s what I always figured. Plus the Russians liked to target the relatives of the enemy for reprisals.

    I like to think the fact that we let Stalin’s daughter defect and have a nice life as a California hippie shows we’re better than them, but then we never actually went to war with Russia directly.

    In that situation I’d say I probably would have done whatever I could to make them unrecognizable and sent them away, one in each direction, to maximize their chances of survival. But…who’s to know what they would really do in awful situations like that?

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  141. Coemgen says:
    @Murgatroyd

    But he seems genuinely scared of both Trump and Putin.
     
    The prospect of Trump as an American Putin is plenty worrying. Putin didn't "exterminate" the Jews of Russia, but his period of rule has seen a significant reduction in the wealth, influence, security and safety of Russian Jews. Any sign that Trump regards Putin as some sort of role model should set alarms ringing in the minds of American Jews. This isn't paranoia but common sense.

    It’s not common sense. It’s prejudice.

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  142. AndrewR says:
    @SFG
    No, it isn't. I'm saying that's how they think. I'm not saying an American Holocaust is likely or even probable.

    “Likely” is an Anglo-Saxon synonym to “probably.”

    An “American Holocaust” is pretty much impossible. Americans are the most pro-Hebrew people in history. Virtually everyone in the US thinks either that Israel is Our Greatest Ally (if not the Holy Land of God’s Chosen People) or that Hitler was unquestionably Teh Most Ebil Dude Evar. Many people people, of course, think both of these things. Jewish paranoia about anti-Semitism in the US is one of the most irrational phenemona in human history.

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    Jewish paranoia about anti-Semitism in the US is one of the most irrational phenemona in human history.

    True. And unlike Europeans,modern Americans generally tend to assume being Jewish is just a choice, like being Baptist or Mormon or liberal. A pogrom doesn't make intuitive sense to Americans.
    , @International Jew

    Jewish paranoia about anti-Semitism in the US is one of the most irrational phenemona in human history.
     
    Yes, but not as irrational as the way Jewish community federations, HIAS, JCRCs, Reform rabbis and much of the rank and file have lately embraced the cause of mass Muslim immigration.
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  143. AndrewR says:
    @ben tillman

    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.
     
    That's hard to believe. This is a linguistic atrocity:


    Tuition for 2016-17 in Grades K-12 is $44,640, which is among the lowest of our peer schools. … Depending on a student’s interests and needs, and to foster equity, there may be additional funds available for programs which require payment beyond tuition (such as the After School Program, global trips or student activities in the high school.)
     

    I wouldn’t go quite that far but it is really bad. They should have written:

    “In order to foster equity, there may be additional funds available for programs which require payment beyond tuition (such as the After School Program, global trips or student activities in the high school), depending on a student’s interests and needs.”

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  144. @Formerly CARealist
    Don't fantasize about another man's wife. You can see the crazy when it comes to fearing an ice rink and its associated hexes, so don't let your own mind go to the gutter with Ms. Johansson.

    I, of course, would never be guilty of such a sin! oh mercy, no.

    Formerly, My wife has granted me a Faith Hill dispensation, in case I ever have the opportunity. Previously she had granted me a Jaclyn Smith dispensation, but turned down my Sophia Loren request.

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  145. EriK says:
    @Jack Hanson
    The NYPD starts officers at around 30-40k and demands a residency requirement in the city.

    You think about it a little bit.
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  146. EriK says:
    @renault
    Fun fact: Monica Bellucci is older than Cindy Crawford.

    Maybe Monica should be selling the anti-aging creme.

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  147. AndrewR says:
    @benjaminl
    Prime example: opposing same sex "marriage" was way too icky for biglaw.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/12/us/the-case-against-gay-marriage-top-law-firms-wont-touch-it.html


    WASHINGTON — The stacks of Supreme Court briefs filed on both sides of the same-sex marriage cases to be heard this month are roughly the same height. But they are nonetheless lopsided: There are no major law firms urging the justices to rule against gay marriage.
    Leading law firms are willing to represent tobacco companies accused of lying about their deadly products, factories that spew pollution, and corporations said to be complicit in torture and murder abroad. But standing up for traditional marriage has turned out to be too much for the elite bar. The arguments have been left to members of lower-profile firms.
    In dozens of interviews, lawyers and law professors said the imbalance in legal firepower in the same-sex marriage cases resulted from a conviction among many lawyers that opposition to such unions is bigotry akin to racism. But there were economic calculations, too. Law firms that defend traditional marriage may lose clients and find themselves at a disadvantage in hiring new lawyers.
    “Firms are trying to recruit the best talent from the best law schools,” said Dale Carpenter, a law professor at the University of Minnesota, “and the overwhelming majority of them want to work in a community of respect and diversity.”
    But some conservatives say lawyers and scholars who support religious liberty and oppose a constitutional right to same-sex marriage have been bullied into silence. “The level of sheer desire to crush dissent is pretty unprecedented,” said Michael W. McConnell, a former federal appeals court judge who teaches law at Stanford.
     

    I am very confident that the “level of sheer desire to crush dissent” has been roughly the same among this group and all groups since time immemorial. What change are the specific taboos one may not dissent about. The need for many strong taboos seems to be one of the most powerful psychological needs humans have.

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    I am very confident that the “level of sheer desire to crush dissent” has been roughly the same among this group and all groups since time immemorial.
     
    That's quite true. What has changed is that we now have an elite that really believes they can do it, and they have the ability to do so.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The need for many strong taboos seems to be one of the most powerful psychological needs humans have.
     
    Except for you, of course.
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  148. @ben tillman

    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.
     
    That's hard to believe. This is a linguistic atrocity:


    Tuition for 2016-17 in Grades K-12 is $44,640, which is among the lowest of our peer schools. … Depending on a student’s interests and needs, and to foster equity, there may be additional funds available for programs which require payment beyond tuition (such as the After School Program, global trips or student activities in the high school.)
     

    That paragraph was probably written by a beneficiary of one of the programs meant “to foster equity.”

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  149. Kylie says:
    @The Z Blog
    Our betters are revolting because they think we are revolting.

    “Our betters are revolting because they think we are revolting.”

    And because they truly believe they are our betters.

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  150. Kylie says:
    @Bill Jones
    It really is starting to look like a war between the Productive and the coalition of the Privileged, the Perverts and the Parasites, is in the offing.

    Remind me to thank the wife for the Christmas Shotgun gift, One can never have enough.

    “Remind me to thank the wife for the Christmas Shotgun gift, One can never have enough.”

    You can thank her yourself by buying ammo and learning to reload and cast bullets if you don’t already know how do it.

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    It'll be a while before I cast buck-shot.
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  151. @Triumph104
    Students at the Obama girls' DC school, Sidwell Friends, voted to ban all students from wearing Washington Redskins apparel on campus.

    https://www.washingtonian.com/2016/06/16/sidwell-friends-school-bans-redskins-merchandise/

    Tri, Did you notice how dead the issue of the racist Redskins name became? The reason, in my opinion, is the Amerindians didn’t really give a damn. Mostly SJWs complaining and not the so called victims.

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  152. slumber_j says:
    @Father O'Hara
    They have Asians as well as Jews.

    Actually, Dalton has weirdly taken Diversity to heart in the most extreme possible way. They’ve instituted severe admission quotas to make the school look like America…or I guess New York, if by New York you mean the South Bronx. From the WSJ in 2011:

    Assembling diverse classes is an oft-stated goal among New York City private schools, with brochures featuring beaming multicultural students.

    But this September Dalton will approach a rare benchmark: Nearly half of the incoming kindergarten class will be students of color.

    Dalton will dramatically exceed the citywide average for kindergarten diversity at New York’s private schools, which was 30% students of color last year, according to data from the National Association of Independent Schools.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424053111903918104576500653887399330

    When they first publicized this–and they publicized it a lot–I remember realizing what the actual effect would be: if you were a legacy or otherwise somehow plugged-in, you could still go to Dalton, but otherwise you couldn’t unless you were Dominican or whatever. So again we get the virtue-signaling move toward class immobility through religious purity.

    I live on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, and my wife and I both know tons of people who went to expensive NYC private schools. When Dalton’s queasiness about Wollman Rink’s Trumpiness surfaced the other day, we tried to think of one nice person we know who went to that school–but that turned out to be a bridge too far. Maybe Diversity will fix that.

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    My guess is half those 'diverse' students will be wealthy orientals or indians.
    I would like that they had some real life south bronx diversity.. they'd be out of business fairly quickly.

    Today I was in Brooklyn and several stores had "We stand with opposing Islamaphobia' signs - I can't even walk into a store and buy a pair of underwear without some virtue signaling message...

    It struck me that white liberals are the most shallow, vain and nasty people i have ever met. Their chief concern is showing they are of a certain caste, even at the cost of supporting policies that utterly destroy the nation. To the point of supporting muslim calls to prayer in times square and becoming hysterical because Melenia Trump said the Lord's Prayer...

    I think white liberals need a good dose of Islam, then we'll see how many want to put up "Stop Islamaphobia' signs...
    , @Colorless
    Slippery term, "Students Of Color."

    I find that the category consists mostly of Asians and White-Asian blends. Thus the term functions as a diversion. You'll find a few well-behaved Latinos and Blacks, but as the Dalton article suggests, they provide little of the school's academic firepower. They do keep the counselors and remedial specialists well-occupied, though.
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  153. @gcochran
    Two of mine are in physics grad school, one a junior majoring in physics. Anyone can do it.

    gcochan, Childrens’ success in the study of math and then physics begins when parents, such as yourself, invest the time and reinforce the belief that your children can excel in math. Children whose parents tell them, over and over, that math is hard and that they can’t help them handicap their kids.

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    I've demonstrated to my son, using the Socratic Method, that he is quite capable of doing well in math provided he does some thoughtful practice. He understands that poor math skills are the fast-track to being a loser as an adult.

    He continues to put little effort into math study and has the C average to show for it.

    In spite of much advocation for the contrary, I think schools are pretty happy to let unmotivated students do poorly. The "elites" who set the schools' agenda do not want "the competition."
    , @EriK
    My parents hated math and never helped me with any math homework. But, I never felt handicapped by that and in fact like maths to this day.

    Of course, I'm adopted.
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  154. Ex-NYer says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong, information could be out of date, but Dalton was the school for the children of the fabulously rich and glamorous. Collegiate/Brearley had smarter kids, and of course Horace Mann was the smart, Jewish school. Of course, they are all Jewish schools, but HM was off the charts.

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  155. slumber_j says:
    @SFG
    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.

    There's a definite subtext of old money versus new money, Manhattan versus the outer boroughs, to this Trump thing, I can tell you. But I think the ethnic hysteria is probably the predominant factor. A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them, which I think is about as likely as my bedding Scarlet Johansson, but I can see why they're worried.

    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.

    I don’t think so: Brearley comes to mind for girls, as do Collegiate and St. Bernard’s for boys. It may be the best coeducational school, although even that isn’t clear. And the people associated with Dalton tend to be really wretched in my experience.

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    Yes in all three cases, better schools, although St. Bernard's stops in 9th.

    Dalton attracts limousine liberals, trendies, starfuckers, and arrivistes.

    The Dalton children and faculty are often creepily into the parents' game.

    Wretched, yes. I thought it was just me.

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  156. FPD72 says:
    @SFG
    Masha Gessen's probably the best example, but you remember Matt Yglesias saying random mobs were going to be attacking Jews (and minorities) in the streets. There are others, of course.

    So far the only “random mobs” attacking people in the streets consist of far-left opponents of Trump attacking those who appear to support Trump.

    It would appear that Trump’s opponents project quite a bit.

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  157. Coemgen says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    gcochan, Childrens' success in the study of math and then physics begins when parents, such as yourself, invest the time and reinforce the belief that your children can excel in math. Children whose parents tell them, over and over, that math is hard and that they can't help them handicap their kids.

    I’ve demonstrated to my son, using the Socratic Method, that he is quite capable of doing well in math provided he does some thoughtful practice. He understands that poor math skills are the fast-track to being a loser as an adult.

    He continues to put little effort into math study and has the C average to show for it.

    In spite of much advocation for the contrary, I think schools are pretty happy to let unmotivated students do poorly. The “elites” who set the schools’ agenda do not want “the competition.”

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    Coemgen, Yes, teachers will always teach to the brightest students, especially in the STEM courses. Who wants to teach to a disinterested student. Math games, when your children are young, is the best way to keep them interested in math.
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  158. @Formerly CARealist
    Don't fantasize about another man's wife. You can see the crazy when it comes to fearing an ice rink and its associated hexes, so don't let your own mind go to the gutter with Ms. Johansson.

    I, of course, would never be guilty of such a sin! oh mercy, no.

    öhh – fabulous generic example of very attractive Hollywood star (SFG) Ms. Johansson was quoted in the local paper here at the southern end of Germany about open marriage – that she thinks, that a marriage has to be open – that a marriage necessarily i s open (by it’s very – human – nature), if real and so forth. – She seems to think a lot about the stone age ‘n’ stuff – and seems to come to almost the same conclusions as Buffalo Joe’s wife (well, “Buffalo Joe” resonates a little bit stone agean too, – if not stoneD ageaN, really – at least in my – somewhat – – experienced, even – – ears; I’d go so far ‘n’ admit that).

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  159. slumber_j says:
    @SFG
    The example of things like Weimar Germany, where things were OK then went really really bad, radically changes their risk-benefit calculus. If you thought there was even a 1% chance of all your relatives actually being exterminated as the result of a political shift, you'd suddenly become very nervous about even the smallest bit of prejudice against your group, even at relatively low levels. Trump has made no policy promises directly threatening the American Jewish population. But...things like the Holocaust statement that didn't mention the Jews, the famous six-pointed star, the ad featuring three Jews as examples of the global elite, all seem like winks at the counter-Semitic crowd.

    If anything I think he will wink at the Nazis and then fail to deliver any pogroms...but the Forward doesn't really see it that way.

    If anything I think he will wink at the Nazis

    Who are “the Nazis” in this clause? And why would he bother to wink at them?

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  160. Hibernian says:
    @ben tillman

    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.
     
    That's hard to believe. This is a linguistic atrocity:


    Tuition for 2016-17 in Grades K-12 is $44,640, which is among the lowest of our peer schools. … Depending on a student’s interests and needs, and to foster equity, there may be additional funds available for programs which require payment beyond tuition (such as the After School Program, global trips or student activities in the high school.)
     

    First sentence reads like it’s written by a sportswriter. IMHO, the second isn’t that bad. Definitely not Ivy League quality… …Oh, wait, maybe it is.

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  161. @AndrewR
    "Likely" is an Anglo-Saxon synonym to "probably."

    An "American Holocaust" is pretty much impossible. Americans are the most pro-Hebrew people in history. Virtually everyone in the US thinks either that Israel is Our Greatest Ally (if not the Holy Land of God's Chosen People) or that Hitler was unquestionably Teh Most Ebil Dude Evar. Many people people, of course, think both of these things. Jewish paranoia about anti-Semitism in the US is one of the most irrational phenemona in human history.

    Jewish paranoia about anti-Semitism in the US is one of the most irrational phenemona in human history.

    True. And unlike Europeans,modern Americans generally tend to assume being Jewish is just a choice, like being Baptist or Mormon or liberal. A pogrom doesn’t make intuitive sense to Americans.

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  162. Rob McX says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Why wouldn’t the Dalton parents want America to become the world’s richest Third World country? Because let’s face it, the only issue that matters right now is immigration.

    Third World countries are pretty great for elites. They also get the added frisson of seeing all their miserable countrymen who have no chance in hell of ever competing with the elites, or their children. Makes all that luxury just a little sweeter.
     

    In purely material terms, that's true. But do they ever think it through? Elites tend to run things, like countries. Which country would they rather run: America in the 1960s, or Brazil today? Would they rather be Ted Kennedy or Henry Cabot Lodge Jr., or whatever their equivalents are in present day Brasilia? Would they rather preside over a country, the greatest achievement of which is sending men to the Moon? Or of a country the greatest achievement of which is not having any major prison riots during the Olympics?

    Would they rather be a minister in Queen Victoria's England? Or a pasha in the late Ottoman Empire?

    What's the point of being master of the game, if the game that you're master of is low-rent and crappy?

    What’s the point of being master of the game, if the game that you’re master of is low-rent and crappy?

    And they may not even be masters of that. Societies combined of rich elites and dirt-poor majorities have worked out sometimes in the past, and Brazil hasn’t imploded yet. But America and Western Europe might be a different story. The elites have encouraged the cult of equality and entitlement that could well come back to haunt them as they wall themselves up in their gated communities in the minority-white future.

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    "Societies combined of..." - composed of, I mean.
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  163. gcochran says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...
    I assume you can dunk a basketball.

    Obviously anyone can do that, too.

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    Verne Troyer can dunk a basketball ... if the net is three feet above the ground.

    And anyone can major in physics, provided that the coursework is easy enough.

    I'm planning a new venture called DiplomasRUs.com. Here's the final exam for Physics 101 - the only physics course that we offer.

    ...

    1. According to Newton's First Law of Motion, the following statement(s) is/are true:

    a. An object at rest stays at rest unless acted upon.
    b. An object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.
    c. Both a and b

    Your answer: D

    Sorry, try again.

    Your answer: 63,107,513.289292

    Sorry, try again.

    Your answer: Sea to shining sea

    Congratulations! You passed the test! DiplomasRUs.com is proud to bestow upon you the degree of Doctor of Physics!

    ...

    Not that I need to point this out, but the question is worded in such a way that all three answers are correct. A and B are true in and of themselves, and both are covered by C.

    If I have three bills - a $1 and two $100s - in my wallet, and someone asks me if I have one dollar bill in my wallet, then truthfully I can say "Yes." If someone asks me if I have only one dollar bill in my wallet, then truthfully I must answer "No." But if I have only one $100/$50/$20/$10/$5 bill in my wallet, and someone asks me if I have only one dollar bill in my wallet, then truthfully I can answer "Yes." (Technically, the term "dollar bill" can refer to a note of any denomination.) My answer becomes untrue only if the question is, "Do you have only one one-dollar bill in your wallet?" And, even then, the question is vague and open to interpretation - it does not specify whether "you" refers only to the you in this universe or to other manifestations of you in the multiverse.
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  164. @Mr. Anon

    Why wouldn’t the Dalton parents want America to become the world’s richest Third World country? Because let’s face it, the only issue that matters right now is immigration.

    Third World countries are pretty great for elites. They also get the added frisson of seeing all their miserable countrymen who have no chance in hell of ever competing with the elites, or their children. Makes all that luxury just a little sweeter.
     

    In purely material terms, that's true. But do they ever think it through? Elites tend to run things, like countries. Which country would they rather run: America in the 1960s, or Brazil today? Would they rather be Ted Kennedy or Henry Cabot Lodge Jr., or whatever their equivalents are in present day Brasilia? Would they rather preside over a country, the greatest achievement of which is sending men to the Moon? Or of a country the greatest achievement of which is not having any major prison riots during the Olympics?

    Would they rather be a minister in Queen Victoria's England? Or a pasha in the late Ottoman Empire?

    What's the point of being master of the game, if the game that you're master of is low-rent and crappy?

    What’s the point of being master of the game, if the game that you’re master of is low-rent and crappy?

    “Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.”

    Some people are greatly motivated to lord power and status over others, even if it brings increased risk and lower quality of life for themselves.

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  165. slumber_j says:
    @donut
    Stop picking your nose and past my posts you Godless fuck . BTW , that masterpiece "Laocoon" ? Every man of us has wrestled with Gods commands . And our salvation is our resistance .

    Your comment (with its idiosyncratic punctuation and the underlying whiff of unwellness etc.) reminds me of a poem by the great Robin Robertson:

    Lithium

    After the arc of ECT
    and the blunt concussion of pills,
    they gave him lithium to cling to—
    the psychiatrist’s stone.
    A metal that floats on water,
    must be kept in kerosene,
    can be drawn into wire.
    (He who had jumped in the harbor,
    burnt his hair off,
    been caught hanging from the light.)
    He’d heard it was once used
    to make hydrogen bombs,
    but now was a coolant for nuclear reactors,
    so he broke out of hospital barefoot
    and walked ten miles to meet me in the snow.

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    "Your comment (with its idiosyncratic punctuation and the underlying whiff of unwellness etc.) reminds me of a poem by the great Robin Robertson:"

    LOL!

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  166. slumber_j says:
    @Jack Hanson
    The NYPD starts officers at around 30-40k and demands a residency requirement in the city.

    You think about it a little bit.

    No, NYPD officers do not have to live in NYC. Hence the extreme coppiness of certain parts of Long Island.

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  167. Years ago when I lived in Nashville the city (maybe the state) had some referedum or other about whether to actually enforce the law regarding illegal aliens. It may have been to do with wasting money on governmental services in fifteen foreign languages, the way California does.

    In the event, the managing partner of the law firm I was working for sent an obnoxious e-mail to the entire firm exhorting us to support the illegal aliens, going on about how difficult life was for the aliens, and so on. I took the opportunity to post ro the firm’s list-serv a detailed piece (not my own) explaining the reasons to oppose such nonsense. Surprisingly, I caught no flak.

    Contrast that to an earlier still event: I objected to a poster on a list-serv who had gone full Jew-Jewity-Jew about Israel for months; I explained the list-serv was an apolitical forum for sharing professional knowledge. I was promptly frog-marched into a meeting with my boss and some hag from HR to be lectured about my sins. Needless to say, that firm was run by a Jew. (Also needless to say, I promptly resigned from their employ.)

    It’s absolutely the case that one must think only approved thoughts and advocate only approved causes in Big Law. It’s one reason I went in-house and focused on patents – it is all much less politicised, but then everything is politicised these days, even children’s skating parties. It’s the impossibility of civic life when the other fellow doesn’t favour more money for roads than schools, but rather the destruction of your entire race and culture, that I once mentioned before.

    Everything is dire now, and if you go on about your life as though it is not, you will be awakenend rudely.

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    It’s one reason I went in-house and focused on patents
     
    Ah, you know of what you speak when you talk about engineers and communication skills ; )

    Thanks for the illustrative anecdotes. It's funny that in my younger days I thought of Big Law as a bastion of conservatism. Was it ever that way?
    , @Opinionator
    Interesting. Thanks.

    I saw the commentary you added to the thread on a legal topic a few posts back. Thank you for that, too.
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  168. ganderson says:
    @Greenstalk

    “it’s a very diverse community.” …
     
    Which invariably means "Everyone here thinks exactly alike, and any hint of nonconformity is punished."

    I live in a New England latte town. We took our youngest, who was not thriving at the local public school, and sent him to a New Hampshire prep school. His comment to me was “at least my teachers won’t all be commies!” I told him that he was wrong. I was correct.

    I used to teach in the New York City private school world. I think many of the teachers at places like Dalton are extra SJW, as they feel guilty about not teaching at someplace like Julia Richman HS. Not guilty enough to actually teach there, of course…

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    I used to teach in the New York City private school world. I think many of the teachers at places like Dalton are extra SJW, as they feel guilty about not teaching at someplace like Julia Richman HS. Not guilty enough to actually teach there, of course…
     
    Just guessing that at Julia Richman High School a teacher might get physically assaulted and get bones broken. But if a SJW really feelz that black lives matter then go teach at Julia Richman and elevate them.
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  169. @guest
    Whenever a car backfires they think Himmler is behind them with a Luger. Whenever the wind blows, they hear Cossacks unsheathing their swords. They're paranoid, which is one more reason not to listen to them.

    A result of years listening to fund raising appeals. Take my word for it–if you want Jews to give, scare them to death and after a point, they confuse fund raising with reality. Been there many times and it always works.

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    Bob,

    You have just described the ADL and SPLC
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  170. Clyde says:
    @ganderson
    I live in a New England latte town. We took our youngest, who was not thriving at the local public school, and sent him to a New Hampshire prep school. His comment to me was "at least my teachers won't all be commies!" I told him that he was wrong. I was correct.

    I used to teach in the New York City private school world. I think many of the teachers at places like Dalton are extra SJW, as they feel guilty about not teaching at someplace like Julia Richman HS. Not guilty enough to actually teach there, of course...

    I used to teach in the New York City private school world. I think many of the teachers at places like Dalton are extra SJW, as they feel guilty about not teaching at someplace like Julia Richman HS. Not guilty enough to actually teach there, of course…

    Just guessing that at Julia Richman High School a teacher might get physically assaulted and get bones broken. But if a SJW really feelz that black lives matter then go teach at Julia Richman and elevate them.

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  171. Clyde says:
    @PiltdownMan

    It’s worth mentioning that “Indian-Americans” as a group have the highest per capita income and educational attainment of any ethnic group (not counting, of course, you-know-who). They’re much in evidence everywhere the IT industry is present. I wouldn’t be surprised to see caste-based thinking become en vogue in the coming years.
     
    Including you-know-who, if I recall some table rankings correctly. I understand that among small ethic immigrant groups, only Nigerians and Ghanaians outrank them. I don't know the story behind these West African groups.

    The Indian presence in IT is relatively recent and dates back to the Y2K scare which caused the importation of Indian programmers as contract workers. It appears many stayed on, or found a way to, and with the IT boom, companies found a way (the H-1B program) to import many more, getting around the slow and arduous process of regular employment based immigration of sponsorship for green cards.

    I distinctly recall that through the early 1990s, almost all Indians (they were mostly not "Indian-American" yet) I met were engineers or doctors, with a handful of finance industry employees, presumably the cream of the crop. It seemed that those that I met first arrived to attend graduate school in the US on merit based scholarships.

    The next wave seemed to consist of poor relatives in the motel and convenience store business, and in New York, Sikh cab drivers.

    Indian IT types showed up later.

    Plenty of Sikh farmers in California. They like to specialize in orchard crops, not lettuce. I wonder how many Sikh farmers I can find in our other states.

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    Sikh immigrants to the Sacramento were among the first Indian immigrants to the United States. They were mostly British Indian Army WW1 veterans from farming communities. I have read that there was also a sizable Indian Students Club at UC Berkeley about 100 years ago. One of them, Dilip Singh Saund, later became a judge and was elected to Congress in the 1950s.

    The denial of citizenship rights in 1923 to one of the Sikh immigrants, Bhagat Singh Thind was a turning point in American immigration policy and helped define our immigration policy toward non-European races until 1965.

    Bhagat Singh Thind, who served in the US Army at the very end of WW1, later did get his citizenship in the 1930s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagat_Singh_Thind

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalip_Singh_Saund

    Many of those Sikh immigrant farmers, who could no longer import wives from India to America, married Mexican women and were locally referred to as Mexican Hindus. I met a documentary filmmaker in the early 1990s who had interviewed several of these widows in the Sacramento Valley area.

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  172. anonguy says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of the Wollman Rink:
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/544475534227693568

    Kudos on that!

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  173. BB753 says:
    @SFG
    You're a famous scientist. Obviously the genes are well above average.

    I assume Cochran also married an above average IQ woman.

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  174. Lot says:

    Kevin Drum discusses skeptically study showing effect of voter ID laws.

    http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/do-strict-voter-id-laws-suppress-minority-voting

    It suggests minority turnout goes down at least 2%. It probably also changes the composition of white voters in favor of the GOP. Combine this with strong ex felon laws which only four states have, and you can see the GOP can effectively reverse maybe 5-8 years of demographic decline pretty easily if the state legislatures get their act together.

    How about prioritizing that in Ohio and other swing states they control instead of anti union and anti abortion laws?

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    How about prioritizing that in Ohio and other swing states they control instead of anti union and anti abortion laws?

    Agree. They need to be smarter about priorities.
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  175. BB753 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Why wouldn’t the Dalton parents want America to become the world’s richest Third World country? Because let’s face it, the only issue that matters right now is immigration.

    Third World countries are pretty great for elites. They also get the added frisson of seeing all their miserable countrymen who have no chance in hell of ever competing with the elites, or their children. Makes all that luxury just a little sweeter.
     

    In purely material terms, that's true. But do they ever think it through? Elites tend to run things, like countries. Which country would they rather run: America in the 1960s, or Brazil today? Would they rather be Ted Kennedy or Henry Cabot Lodge Jr., or whatever their equivalents are in present day Brasilia? Would they rather preside over a country, the greatest achievement of which is sending men to the Moon? Or of a country the greatest achievement of which is not having any major prison riots during the Olympics?

    Would they rather be a minister in Queen Victoria's England? Or a pasha in the late Ottoman Empire?

    What's the point of being master of the game, if the game that you're master of is low-rent and crappy?

    Because the only way these people can reach hereditary elite status is by turning America into a Third World country.

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  176. @Anonymous
    It has less to do with Trump personally and more to do with the association with the alt-right, which will persist after Trump leaves office.

    The alt-right is not hostile to Jews per se. They are hostile to Jewish hypocrisy. Richard Spencer even speaks of “white Zionism”. Kevin MacDonald advises that white must take up Jewish strategies to prosper. The alt-right wants to be the “New Jews”.

    So this means is the alt-right wants is the have same privileges that Jews have. They want to have an ethno-state, tribalism, perpetual victimhood. The alt-right wants an ethno-state that has the right to build a wall, deport illegal infiltrators, and ensure a permanent majority.

    The alt-right wants to be able to call themselves the Chosen People without anyone raising an eyebrow.

    What drives the alt-right absolutely wild with rage is seeing a Jewish commentator preaching one set of values for Jews and a completely different set for Gentiles.

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    A mostly fair commentary, except in contrast to Israel the AltRight does not seek to expel US citizens.

    And Richard Spencer is not AltRight.
    , @snorlax
    Liberal Jews don't call themselves the "Chosen People" or support Netanyahu or his border policies.
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  177. James Yorks says: • Website

    Best not to worry unduly about self-segregation, the whole issue will be moot in a few years thanks to Georgia State University. UK newspaper The Independent explains… (great third paragraph)

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/racism-sexism-prejudice-implicit-bias-universities-students-graduation-aaas-a7587716.html

    “Human beings have a hidden, “implicit bias” against those who appear to be different that makes them prone to fearing large black men, thinking maths is a ‘male’ subject or holding a number of other culturally defined prejudices, academics have said.

    However, scientists say that by recognising the problem and taking steps to address it, society can be transformed for the better.

    Georgia State University has been able to completely eliminate the gaps in academic performance based on race, ethnicity and poverty, attracting attention from academic institutions in South Africa, where the legacy of apartheid still resonates. An online test has also been developed by Harvard University to enable people to discover just how implicitly biased they are.”

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    Large black men are scary, and "maths" is mostly for men. They say "culturally defined prejudice," I say Noticing. Did it ever occur to these people like that humans have hidden, implicit biases for good reason?

    Yes, probably. But that has nothing to do with their science, the aim of which is to remove obstacles to the ultimate victory of their politics. If implicit bias stand a in the way, the worse for implicit violence. If tomorrow the Blank Slate was deemed the enemy, they'd become genetic fundamentalists overnight.
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  178. markflag says:

    The bullies are showing their true colors. The Dalton parents would be hilarious if it weren’t so symptomatic of widespread personality disorder on the left, most likely schizoid with a bit of borderline personality thrown in for good measure.

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  179. Jacobite says:
    @Marina
    Yeah, that figures. That said, I found my social problems magically vanished once I left compulsory schooling. Adults have far more autonomy in their choice of environments than children do. No more legally enforced sitting in a room of people exactly the same age for 6 hours a day for no pay! Adulthood is awesome.

    Well college is awesome but I have found that real life is quite a bit like high school.

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  180. @Robert Weissberg
    A result of years listening to fund raising appeals. Take my word for it--if you want Jews to give, scare them to death and after a point, they confuse fund raising with reality. Been there many times and it always works.

    Bob,

    You have just described the ADL and SPLC

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  181. res says:
    @Autochthon
    Years ago when I lived in Nashville the city (maybe the state) had some referedum or other about whether to actually enforce the law regarding illegal aliens. It may have been to do with wasting money on governmental services in fifteen foreign languages, the way California does.

    In the event, the managing partner of the law firm I was working for sent an obnoxious e-mail to the entire firm exhorting us to support the illegal aliens, going on about how difficult life was for the aliens, and so on. I took the opportunity to post ro the firm's list-serv a detailed piece (not my own) explaining the reasons to oppose such nonsense. Surprisingly, I caught no flak.

    Contrast that to an earlier still event: I objected to a poster on a list-serv who had gone full Jew-Jewity-Jew about Israel for months; I explained the list-serv was an apolitical forum for sharing professional knowledge. I was promptly frog-marched into a meeting with my boss and some hag from HR to be lectured about my sins. Needless to say, that firm was run by a Jew. (Also needless to say, I promptly resigned from their employ.)

    It's absolutely the case that one must think only approved thoughts and advocate only approved causes in Big Law. It's one reason I went in-house and focused on patents – it is all much less politicised, but then everything is politicised these days, even children's skating parties. It's the impossibility of civic life when the other fellow doesn't favour more money for roads than schools, but rather the destruction of your entire race and culture, that I once mentioned before.

    Everything is dire now, and if you go on about your life as though it is not, you will be awakenend rudely.

    It’s one reason I went in-house and focused on patents

    Ah, you know of what you speak when you talk about engineers and communication skills ; )

    Thanks for the illustrative anecdotes. It’s funny that in my younger days I thought of Big Law as a bastion of conservatism. Was it ever that way?

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    Thanks for your kind words, but I must confess Dave Pinsen knows far more about patents than I do.

    It's funny to see you recall that joke though: just this morning I had cause to mutter, "I'd forgotten how verbally retarded engineers are." (I'd been asked to investigate a technology I'd never heard of which in fact doesn't exist: the guy was just using a shorthand term he himself had made up to describe the technology –imagine if, wanting you to research electricity, I'd requested an overview of snarfblatts...).

    Anyhow, like many other lines of work, Big Law was conservative before the nation lost its mind sometimes around 1995 or 2000. It's easy to forget, but Californians once elected Ronald Reagan to be their governor and their president. The speed of the U.S.A.'s destruction has truly been without historical precedent.
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  182. Jacobite says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Another Dalton alumnus is Matt Yglesias.

    I don’t even know who Matt Yglesias is. I somehow think I should be grateful for that.

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  183. Alfa158 says:
    @CAL
    Yeah, but Trump has never said anything negative about the Jews. Meanwhile Hitler pretty much telegraphed that the Jews were in trouble. And Weimar Germany wasn't a golden era for Jewry either. The stab in the back myth pretty much kicked off with Germany's defeat in WWI. Then it didn't help that the Bolsheviks were Jew heavy.

    So no, it is ridiculous for Jews to be in a panic over Trump. The Israeli press has been fairly aghast at the stupidity of Jews in the US with regards to Trump. Jews are picking the side, the Democrats, that is growing more anti-semitic. They even encourage the immigration that will destroy them. If they get what they want, it won't be some diverse utopia of Jewry on top. It will be mobs of Muslims and other minorities hunting them in the streets. A few will flee and then write about how poorly they were treated.

    Unfortunately, they DO think it will a diverse utopia of Jewry on top because that is the way it has been for the last few decades. The default thought mode of all people, no matter how bright, is that things will go on as they have, only more so. That mode makes it more convenient for us to operate in day to day life. Trump baffles, frightens and enrages them because he is just a tiny counter signal that maybe, just maybe, it is possible that things don’t always go on as they have.

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  184. OT:

    Ambassador Stephen Schwartz, an Obama appointee, is a perfect primer for “How Do I Keep My Frequent Flyer Program Perks?” desperation among Shallow State Department stoogery:

    https://twitter.com/US2SOMALIA/status/832682011814879232/photo/1

    Meanwhile somewhere in proverbial Minnesota, a nice white lady Katrina Jørgensen is very (WTF level) upset that her daughter does not have a constitutional right to live in Rotherham…yet :

    Ever had a chance to play The Risk-Refugee Invasion Edition, during church service, while simultaneously virtue signaling your utter stupidity?

    That’s exactly what Mrs. Jørgensen’s Python Flying Church has to offer tonight:

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    Greater Somalia? Bring back Siad Barre?
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  185. @guest
    Whenever a car backfires they think Himmler is behind them with a Luger. Whenever the wind blows, they hear Cossacks unsheathing their swords. They're paranoid, which is one more reason not to listen to them.

    Whenever a conservative (or a non-Liberal at least) is elected to higher office they see a pogrom in the making.

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  186. Fredrik says:
    @Greenstalk

    “it’s a very diverse community.” …
     
    Which invariably means "Everyone here thinks exactly alike, and any hint of nonconformity is punished."

    I think they’re genuine. What they mean is that the dads work both on buy and sell sides down on Wall Street.

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  187. Lugash says:
    @Jack Hanson
    The NYPD starts officers at around 30-40k and demands a residency requirement in the city.

    You think about it a little bit.

    I thought about it. I can’t quite connect why NYC law enforcement should be allowed to park illegally, have cars that aren’t registered and don’t follow code to entry pay rates for the NYPD. If it’s an issue, maybe the NYPD should ask for higher pay?

    I’m surprised that these cars aren’t getting keyed and having their tires flattened.

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    I imagine the PD doesn't ask for higher wages and City Hall leaves well enough alone.

    The "PBA" is pretty common in these large East Coast metro PDs, but every agency has its dirty laundry.
    , @ScarletNumber
    Because they are parking illegally in the course of doing their jobs, not because they are too cheap or lazy to park elsewhere.
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  188. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    There was always a nouveau-riche element to Trump that was appealing and offputting to Jews.

    When Eastern European Jewish immigrants made money, they went two ways.

    Especially in Hollywood, they went for vulgar-rich mode. Rather Trumpian.

    Since Wasp elite culture was less entrenched there and since Hollywood was built on crass entertainment, wealth was something to flaunt. Same in Las Vegas, another Jewish creation if Hyman Roth was right about Moe Green.

    But things were different in East Coast with its Boston Brahmin Wasp model.
    So, some Jews wanted to become respectable and go for classy rich. Being rich without being so vulgar about it.

    NY, though closer to Boston than to LA surely, was culturally somewhere between respectability and vulgarity. NY has lots of culture, deep history, and tradition. But it was a hodge-podge of immigrants, and they were all hustling in New Yawk to get theirs.

    There was always a vulgar side to Trump. Though rich, his brand’s main appeal was to people without money who fantasy about having money. I mean what respectable person would want to live in Trump Tower?
    And yet, there are enough vulgar rich out there who might want to live in such place or at least invest in it.

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  189. @SFG
    You're a famous scientist. Obviously the genes are well above average.

    You’re a famous scientist. Obviously the genes are well above average.

    He knows that, and he’s kidding when he says, “Anyone can do it”.

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    Scientist?! I thought he was the governor of South Carolina....
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  190. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “…It must be some kind of mental illness that makes Jews want to live in countries whose majority populations terrify them.”

    In the past when Jews were among the few literate groups in a country that maybe had little-to-no education for the bulk of the population, and a country that may have had a low-IQ, malnourished population, they would have probably assumed correctly that they would be a useful part of the elite classes managing the country and the bulk of the population. The would expect to be safe and protected as a useful adjunct of the ruling elite.

    Their problem today is that populations are no longer illiterate, uneducated, and starving, and that, while the Jews are still smarter, they aren’t smarter-then-average enough to be able to expect to shape things to their liking. They can’t assume that their education and literacy translates into as useful an aspect of control or wealth, because it’s now universal.

    “…if you want Jews to give, scare them to death and after a point, they confuse fund raising with reality. Been there many times and it always works.”

    Sounds likely. It also is the sort of thing that keeps the young from assimilating.

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    they would have probably assumed correctly that they would be a useful part of the elite classes managing the country and the bulk of the population.

    If not the dominant elite class.

    The would expect to be safe and protected as a useful adjunct of the ruling elite.

    If not the ruling elite, the actual power.

    Sounds likely. It also is the sort of thing that keeps the young from assimilating.

    This.
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  191. @PiltdownMan

    Lots of gays, Roma, and political undesirables were murdered as well.
     
    Your use of the phrase "as well", which is no doubt unintentional, gives in to the subtly posited recent narrative that the Holocaust was singularly a Jewish experience—because Jews were specifically targeted, while other groups were merely swept into it.

    In fact, Gypsies and homosexuals were two of the three groups specifically targeted by Nazi ideology—the third and largest, of course, being Jews.

    Your use of the phrase “as well”, which is no doubt unintentional, gives in to the subtly posited recent narrative that the Holocaust was singularly a Jewish experience—because Jews were specifically targeted, while other groups were merely swept into it.

    It was a singularly Jewish experience. It was their term for their experience. No one (aside from Gypsies) was targeted in a way remotely similar to how the Jews were targeted.

    In fact, it seems that just this past week it has come out that Simon Wiesenthal in the 1970′s, for PR purposes, fabricated the claim that five million non-Jews had died in “The Holocaust”. Yehuda Bauer, in fact, called him on his dishonesty, and Wiesenthal said that sometimes you have to do stuff like that.

    http://www.jta.org/2017/01/31/news-opinion/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians

    “Five million non-Jews died in the Holocaust.”

    It’s a statement that shows up regularly in declarations about the Nazi era. . . .

    The “5 million” has driven Holocaust historians to distraction ever since Wiesenthal started to peddle it in the 1970s. Wiesenthal told the Washington Post in 1979, “I have sought with Jewish leaders not to talk about 6 million Jewish dead, but rather about 11 million civilians dead, including 6 million Jews.”

    Yehuda Bauer, an Israeli Holocaust scholar who chairs the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, said he warned his friend Wiesenthal, who died in 2005, about spreading the false notion that the Holocaust claimed 11 million victims – 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews.

    “I said to him, ‘Simon, you are telling a lie,’” Bauer recalled in an interview Tuesday. “He said, ‘Sometimes you need to do that to get the results for things you think are essential.’”

    Bauer and other historians who knew Wiesenthal said the Nazi hunter told them that he chose the 5 million number carefully: He wanted a number large enough to attract the attention of non-Jews who might not otherwise care about Jewish suffering, but not larger than the actual number of Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust, 6 million.

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    There's the Holocaust and then the entire phenomenon of civilian and POW deaths in Nazi-occupied territory, of which the former is a minority subset of the latter. It's basically entirely arbitrary what number of non-Jewish deaths get assigned to "the Holocaust."
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  192. There’s something weird about President Trump.

    He knows how to get news organizations to investigate stuff they normally wouldn’t.

    For example, on Saturday he mentioned issues in Sweden, and while the lying turd part of the MSM have said he lied, at least two news organizations came out with real stories about issues in Sweden:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/20/trump-may-have-been-unclear-but-sweden-experiencing-migrant-crime-wave.html

    https://heatst.com/politics/looks-like-donald-trump-was-right-about-sweden-after-all/

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/768980/Sweden-cover-up-migrant-rape-violent-crime

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  193. @eah
    Oops.

    https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/833403089885466626

    The New York Times changed the title of the article to Beyond ‘Hidden Figures’: Nurturing New Black and Latino Math Whizzes.

    The article is excessively long so I knew there were a few nuggets of truth in it. The math program, BEAM, is for poor 6th and 7th graders. Although there are about 80,000 students in each grade in New York City public schools, the program is only for 80 6th graders and 80 7th graders.

    The photos in the article and on the BEAM website show an overabundance of Muslims and there are also a few East Asians. The Times says, “… Jonathan was one of just a few African-American boys at BEAM (some of the other black students were the children of African or Caribbean immigrants)”.

    As for BEAM’s success: “Although our students make tremendous progress,” Mr. Zaharopol wrote in a 2015 grant proposal, “it is clear that many of them, even our highest achievers, are still well below their potential.”

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    I thought it was very curious that the author speculates that unique discrimination against African-Americans is why they were few in number compared to the black kids of immigrants.

    The mainstream media simply cannot countenance that maybe cultural habits are to blame for many of the poor outcomes of many African-Americans.
    , @Jack D
    I thought you were joking about the new title, but no, it's real.

    Here is the full quote:

    "That Jonathan was one of just a few African-American boys at BEAM (some of the other black students were the children of African or Caribbean immigrants) could have been a fluke. Or it could have been a reflection of the unique forms of discrimination faced by young African-American males, even in elementary school."

    This makes no sense - generally speaking, evil white racists who discriminate against young black boys (we all know how all-pervasive that discrimination is in NYC with its large Klan membership) can't tell the children of African or Caribbean immigrants apart from the children of African-American slave descendants, so you would expect them to experience discrimination at about the same level. So the cause must be elsewhere, such as dysfunctional AA culture (the article mentions that Jonathan was disruptive in class and that never saw his father). But everyone know that blacks have no agency - whatever happens to them is whitey's fault.

    "it is clear that many of them, even our highest achievers, are still well below their potential."

    In other words, they still suck at math. In fact, Zaharapol has no idea what the "potential" of these kids is. Maybe being sucky at math IS their true potential. But he is lobbying for more $ for an even earlier intervention. If whatever you are doing doesn't close the gap, this means that the intervention was not soon enough and it must take place even earlier. Meanwhile lots of nice white lady teachers have jobs and there is even a black Phd student whose job it is to ride the subway with these kids.

    , @The True and Original David
    "still well below their potential"

    One wonders: what is their potential, and how is it determined? A priori?

    *All men have equal innate potential.
    *Smith and Jones are men.
    *Therefore, Smith and Jones have equal innate potential.

    *All alternatives to the proposition "all men have equal innate potential" are exhausted by the proposition "all men are innately either masters or slaves."
    *"All men are innately either masters or slaves" is an unacceptable proposition.
    *Therefore, any alternative to the proposition "all men have equal innate potential" is unacceptable.

    If Jones is found to be below Smith's level, then acceptable explanations include: the test is to blame (flawed test); Jones's parents or teachers are to blame (malice or insufficient support); Jones is to blame (he is ill or lazy); Smith or his coequals (including society at large) are to blame (they are bullies, cheaters, racists). Unacceptable explanations include: some individuals are more successful as plumbers than as physicists; my thinking on the subject includes unexamined false premises.

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  194. Dalton is preparing its students for the vocation of ideology; it can be very satisfying, they feel.

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  195. Svigor says:

    This is the kind of thing leftists do in real life; then they make movies about rightists doing it.

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  196. @Anon
    Shiite. Deplorables are now...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwQduB2qxo8

    Anon, since you seem to be on top of this caste dealy, are we deplorables above or below the untouchables? My toilet’s been leaking and I just wanted to know whether to go to the hardware store for another flapper valve or to let it go, if we have been living above our caste-level and shan’t be needing this contraption anymore.

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  197. @Father O'Hara
    Martin Luther King,I guess.

    Shouldn’t that be Martin Luther Kang, as in “We wuz kangs!”

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  198. Dissident says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of the Wollman Rink:
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/544475534227693568

    So on or prior to December 14th, 2014 you tweeted that to now-President DJT?

    What made you think, all the way back then, that DJT was “the man to do it” ?

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  199. @Lot
    Kevin Drum discusses skeptically study showing effect of voter ID laws.

    http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/do-strict-voter-id-laws-suppress-minority-voting

    It suggests minority turnout goes down at least 2%. It probably also changes the composition of white voters in favor of the GOP. Combine this with strong ex felon laws which only four states have, and you can see the GOP can effectively reverse maybe 5-8 years of demographic decline pretty easily if the state legislatures get their act together.

    How about prioritizing that in Ohio and other swing states they control instead of anti union and anti abortion laws?

    How about prioritizing that in Ohio and other swing states they control instead of anti union and anti abortion laws?

    Agree. They need to be smarter about priorities.

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  200. @SFG
    You're a famous scientist. Obviously the genes are well above average.

    How obtuse can Cochran be? Unbelievable.

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  201. @Autochthon
    Years ago when I lived in Nashville the city (maybe the state) had some referedum or other about whether to actually enforce the law regarding illegal aliens. It may have been to do with wasting money on governmental services in fifteen foreign languages, the way California does.

    In the event, the managing partner of the law firm I was working for sent an obnoxious e-mail to the entire firm exhorting us to support the illegal aliens, going on about how difficult life was for the aliens, and so on. I took the opportunity to post ro the firm's list-serv a detailed piece (not my own) explaining the reasons to oppose such nonsense. Surprisingly, I caught no flak.

    Contrast that to an earlier still event: I objected to a poster on a list-serv who had gone full Jew-Jewity-Jew about Israel for months; I explained the list-serv was an apolitical forum for sharing professional knowledge. I was promptly frog-marched into a meeting with my boss and some hag from HR to be lectured about my sins. Needless to say, that firm was run by a Jew. (Also needless to say, I promptly resigned from their employ.)

    It's absolutely the case that one must think only approved thoughts and advocate only approved causes in Big Law. It's one reason I went in-house and focused on patents – it is all much less politicised, but then everything is politicised these days, even children's skating parties. It's the impossibility of civic life when the other fellow doesn't favour more money for roads than schools, but rather the destruction of your entire race and culture, that I once mentioned before.

    Everything is dire now, and if you go on about your life as though it is not, you will be awakenend rudely.

    Interesting. Thanks.

    I saw the commentary you added to the thread on a legal topic a few posts back. Thank you for that, too.

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  202. @SFG
    The example of things like Weimar Germany, where things were OK then went really really bad, radically changes their risk-benefit calculus. If you thought there was even a 1% chance of all your relatives actually being exterminated as the result of a political shift, you'd suddenly become very nervous about even the smallest bit of prejudice against your group, even at relatively low levels. Trump has made no policy promises directly threatening the American Jewish population. But...things like the Holocaust statement that didn't mention the Jews, the famous six-pointed star, the ad featuring three Jews as examples of the global elite, all seem like winks at the counter-Semitic crowd.

    If anything I think he will wink at the Nazis and then fail to deliver any pogroms...but the Forward doesn't really see it that way.

    Are Gentiles safe living in a country where a group with significant influence believes that Gentiles are mere steps away from trying to exterminate that group? What lengths are Jews willing to go to address the perceived Gentile Menace?

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  203. Olorin says:

    This silliness about a skating party was likely contrived to grab headlines. Further politicizing children’s innocent fun.

    Since we’re talking about Dalton’s alumni, they include Ronnie Abrams, federal district court judge for the Second Circuit’s southern district, including Manhattan, Bronx, Westchester, Putnam, Rockland, Orange, Dutchess, and Sullivan counties.

    She was recommended for the post by Kirsten Gillibrand and nominated by Barack Obama.

    According to Wikipedia:

    In 2016, Abrams was assigned to preside over a case in which Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein are accused by the plaintiff of having raped her in the 1990s, when the plaintiff was thirteen years old.[9] The complaint was voluntarily dismissed without prejudice by the Plaintiff in September of 2016.

    In January of 2017, Abrams was assigned to preside over a case in which Donald Trump was sued by a nonprofit group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, over an alleged violation by Trump of the Emoluments Clause of the United States Constitution.

    Abrams’ father is powerful attorney Floyd Abrams, who argued for the New York Times/represented Judith Miller in the Plame affair (CIA leak).

    Earlier in his life he was co-counsel for The New York Times in the Pentagon Papers case.

    http://observer.com/2006/12/the-abrams-family/

    Ronnie Abrams’s brother/Floyd Abrams’s son is Dan Abrams, ABC’s chief legal affairs anchor, formerly a legal reporter for NBC News and general manager of MSNBC. He won his News Droid (managerial class) Aspirant merit badge by covering big-ticket cases for Court TV, like the OJ Simpson trial and trials of Jack Kevorkian.

    Just one more illustration of the Media Mafia that is determined to keep centralized control of public discourse while hardening surveillance into and punishments for private discourse…and translating it all into political and state control, vast riches, and total submission on the part of anyone they deem Deplorable.

    Would be interesting to know if there are any Abramses at the school these days.

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  204. NOTA says:
    @anonymous
    "A lot of Jewish people are genuinely afraid Trump is going to exterminate them..."

    I have a very intelligent accomplished Jewish friend who falls in this category. He is a libertarian, not liberal, and did not vote for Clinton (or Trump). He's pretty realistic and for the most part would probably fit in well on this site. But he seems genuinely scared of both Trump and Putin. It's doesn't seem rational, it seems like a form of ethnic PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder). Understandable, but not beneficial.

    I think Trump hits a lot of buttons that remind Jews of the kind of leaders who have traditionally roused the rabble to pogroms, as much as he does of Hitler. It’s not crazy to have a long memory of a political movement that killed half your family tree off in a few years, but I do think that’s led a lot of Jews to overreact to Trump.

    I say this as a guy who is not remotely a supporter of Trump–I think he’s likely to do a lot of things I think are bad ideas, and I’d like a sane opposition that picks its battles and pushes back against the bad ideas without turning every bad policy into “OMG he’s just like Hitler!!!”

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    What are these "buttons" and how are they not "pressed" by Democrats such as Obama and the Clintons?
    , @Peripatetic commenter

    It’s not crazy to have a long memory of a political movement that killed half your family tree off in a few years, but I do think that’s led a lot of Jews to overreact to Trump.
     
    Is it crazy for Ukrainians to remember those responsible for the Holomodor?

    I am sure you can find Holomodor info is you search.

    It seems like there are always two sides to these stories ...
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  205. Bill says:
    @SFG
    They don't get socialized. A huge portion of the whole high school experience is learning how to negotiate social networks. If you're not popular in high school you better be real good with computers.

    Also, if you don’t have your children watch TV from birth, they won’t learn to talk. The more you know . . .

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  206. NOTA says:

    Jonathan Haidt talks about the moral foundations of liberals and conservatives, and has this idea that “Purity” is a value that is mostly held by conservatives. I think this is a counter example–Trump has intellectual cooties that would soil them to come in contact with. That is a purity taboo.

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  207. @Glossy
    I was looking through the wikis of these snooty NYC schools, trying to see which one is the snootiest. The answer isn't readily apparent, but I now know which one is the oldest:

    "Collegiate was founded in the Dutch colony of New Amsterdam in 1628 by the Dutch West India Company and the Classis of Amsterdam."

    That's hardcore. Also, Whit Stillman went there.

    Also, Whit Stillman went there. How ’bout Slim Whitman? Are you sure you didn’t mean Slim Whitman?

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  208. According to economic historian Gregory Clark’s research on surnames, India has by far the least social mobility of any major country.

    Maybe today the software industry is changing that. I used to work with a guy who told me he’s from a “backward caste”. Grew up poor, commuted to university on one of those trains with thousands of people clinging to the sides and roof. Now in America he’s an Indian software engineer like so many others, free to rise or fall on brutally meritocratic criteria.

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    I believe your experience is still very unusual.

    While I have met countless Gujarati Patels and Tamil Brahmins, I have yet to meet an "untouchable" working in the US. And I do not know any other Americans who have met an Indian here they knew was from an "unscheduled caste" in a professional capacity.

    What are his associations with other Indians in the US like?
    , @rec1man
    Among South Indians, except for brahmins, 3%,
    the other 97% of the population is Shudra ( Backward caste ),

    and there is 70% affirmative action quota in South India ,

    assume the top half of them get into IT jobs,
    which means at least 35% are from backward caste
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  209. Ed says:
    @Triumph104
    The New York Times changed the title of the article to Beyond ‘Hidden Figures’: Nurturing New Black and Latino Math Whizzes.

    The article is excessively long so I knew there were a few nuggets of truth in it. The math program, BEAM, is for poor 6th and 7th graders. Although there are about 80,000 students in each grade in New York City public schools, the program is only for 80 6th graders and 80 7th graders.

    The photos in the article and on the BEAM website show an overabundance of Muslims and there are also a few East Asians. The Times says, "... Jonathan was one of just a few African-American boys at BEAM (some of the other black students were the children of African or Caribbean immigrants)".

    As for BEAM's success: “Although our students make tremendous progress,” Mr. Zaharopol wrote in a 2015 grant proposal, “it is clear that many of them, even our highest achievers, are still well below their potential.”

    I thought it was very curious that the author speculates that unique discrimination against African-Americans is why they were few in number compared to the black kids of immigrants.

    The mainstream media simply cannot countenance that maybe cultural habits are to blame for many of the poor outcomes of many African-Americans.

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    Let alone the obvious fact that skimming the top off a population of 1 billion black Africans is likely to yield more smart kids than a population of 35 million black Americans
    , @gcochran
    There are not many Caribbean or African-origin blacks scoring at the highest levels, because the total number of blacks ( of all kinds) scoring at the highest levels is small.
    , @Triumph104
    When it comes to reporting on black education or financial achievement, the news is always bad. So that the messenger doesn't get shot, mainstream media makes up an excuse for the failure and heaps false praise.

    To be fair to the kids, it is insane that the program expects poor kids from the worst schools in the city to be the next generation of mathematicians. Most of the Mathematical Olympiad kids in the US and Canada are affluent, have parents with math-related degrees, and a significant number have attended Phillips Exeter or other well-known elite schools.
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  210. Coemgen says:
    @NOTA
    I think Trump hits a lot of buttons that remind Jews of the kind of leaders who have traditionally roused the rabble to pogroms, as much as he does of Hitler. It's not crazy to have a long memory of a political movement that killed half your family tree off in a few years, but I do think that's led a lot of Jews to overreact to Trump.

    I say this as a guy who is not remotely a supporter of Trump--I think he's likely to do a lot of things I think are bad ideas, and I'd like a sane opposition that picks its battles and pushes back against the bad ideas without turning every bad policy into "OMG he's just like Hitler!!!"

    What are these “buttons” and how are they not “pressed” by Democrats such as Obama and the Clintons?

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    I'm not sure what the buttons are, but I have seen a lot of Jews I know--generally level-headed people not overly concerned with political correctness--react with genuine distress and fear to Trump's rhetorical style. I get not *liking* his style--I don't much like it either. I get worrying rhat maybe he's going to do a bad job or will abuse his powers--that's a reasonable worry for any new president. But this is something more visceral. I don't understand it, but I have observed it enough to think it's a real phenomenon.
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  211. JohnnyGeo says:
    @Ed
    I thought it was very curious that the author speculates that unique discrimination against African-Americans is why they were few in number compared to the black kids of immigrants.

    The mainstream media simply cannot countenance that maybe cultural habits are to blame for many of the poor outcomes of many African-Americans.

    Let alone the obvious fact that skimming the top off a population of 1 billion black Africans is likely to yield more smart kids than a population of 35 million black Americans

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  212. benjaminl says:
    @Anon
    "It’s worth mentioning that 'Indian-Americans' as a group have the highest per capita income and educational attainment of any ethnic group (not counting, of course, you-know-who)."

    On the other hand, have Indians produce any pivotal thinker in the past 50 yrs? Some Indian figures have been famous enough but were they of great consequence?

    Certain types of Indians know how to make money and succeed. But I don't see them as elites of the US. And even without Indians, a kind of caste system is developing cuz of Coming Apart phenom as analyzed by Murray. When women go to college in high numbers and hog top jobs and marry men with top jobs, there you have quasi-caste right there.

    Thinkers: I think Rushdie should get some credit. Amartya Sen is beloved by the great and the good. “Development as Freedom” is cited 28000 times on Google Scholar.

    As far as “consequence” in the broader sense:

    In the cultural sphere, Viswanathan Anand + Bollywood + cricket. I’m personally grateful to India for Aishwarya Rai.

    I guess Orwell (Bihar), Lawrence Durrell (Punjab), Cliff Richard (Lucknow), Engelbert Humperdinck (Madras), Pete Best (Madras), Julie Christie (Assam) shouldn’t be counted ;)

    They do produce a lot of figures like Sai Baba, Rajneesh, Jiddu Krishamurti who obviously make an impact on millions of people, though I couldn’t really assess them fairly.

    I wonder how typical this guy is:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subhash_Kak

    Subhash Kak (born March 26, 1947 in Srinagar) is an Indian American computer scientist. He is Regents Professor and a previous Head of Computer Science Department at Oklahoma State University–Stillwater who has made contributions to cryptography, artificial neural networks, and quantum information.
    Kak is also notable for his Indological publications on the history of science, the philosophy of science, ancient astronomy, and the history of mathematics.[1] Alan Sokal labeled Kak “one of the leading intellectual luminaries of the Hindu-nationalist diaspora.”[2]

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    Back in the day India produced top physicists. CV Raman (of Raman spectroscopy) won his Nobel for research carried out in Calcutta in the 1920s. His nephew Chandrasekhar (of Chandrasekhar limit fame if you're into black holes) won his for work at Cambridge.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._V._Raman

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subrahmanyan_Chandrasekhar

    What I want to know is - where's the hillbilly version of Hidden Figures?

    "Chandrasekhar's expertise in hydrodynamics led Robert Oppenheimer to invite him to join the Manhattan Project at Los Alamos, but delays in the processing of his security clearance prevented him from contributing to the project. It has been rumored however that he was called to discuss and visit the Calutron project and was the individual responsible for suggesting that young women be used to operate the calutrons as they would do so more efficiently than the male scientists assigned to the task. Chandraskhar had used top performing female high school students from Williams Bay, Lake Geneva, Elkhorn and Burlington, Wisconsin to calculate immensely difficult mathematical equations entirely by long hand, and found that their abilities and vigilance were unparalleled. He then applied this first-hand knowledge with the talents of local "hillbilly high school girls" to speed up the slow-moving centrifugal Calutron project. This in turn allowed the enriched radioactive materials to be completed on time, in order to fashion the atomic weapons ultimately used to end the war. Without these raw materials, developed at the Y-12 National Security Complex these weapons never would have been tested or dropped on Japan."
     
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  213. Ttjy says:
    @Marina
    I will never understand why the Trump kids go to school. If I had Trump level money, I'd go full nineteenth century and have private tutors/governesses. Ivanka was so miserable at school she used to call her father collect from the janitor's closet during lunch. It's a cute story, as he'd interrupt business meetings to take her calls, but I was just left wondering why he didn't yank her out of school entirely. But then, I'm not Trump level rich, so what do I know? I'm sure the networking options at these schools are fantastic.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3700544/He-pick-phone-single-time-Ivanka-Trump-tells-sweet-story-calling-dad-collect-everyday-janitor-s-closet-school.html

    Why do they need to network, especially 10 year olds.

    I would hire a tutor and wouldn’t subject my kids to school, even a nice private school.

    They can hang around other kids in their free time.

    When you have billions, you don’t need a job.

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  214. Rifleman says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of the Wollman Rink:
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/544475534227693568

    OT. Here’s a Univ of Virginia story not about that Haven guy or the Rolling Stone hoax.

    Remember Obama invited Rolling Stone publisher to White House to talk about Fake News AFTER Rolling Stone lost it’s court case over their fakenews story about Univ of Virginia frat boy rape hoax.

    Well here’s the real news about White Female Bodies being targeted for destruction in Virginia.

    Any theories on why this didn’t become a bigger story or one about Race in America?

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  215. Gabriel M says:

    As bad as things are in America, commenters here would be advised to remember how much worse they could be.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/20/mps-debate-withdrawing-donald-trumps-state-visit-amid-protests/

    “The intellectual capacity of the president is protozoan,” Mr Flynn says.

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  216. @gcochran
    Two of mine are in physics grad school, one a junior majoring in physics. Anyone can do it.

    gcochran, I can assure you that not everyone can successfully major in physics. I see students fail at that exact task every day, and not of lack of trying. It is no different that trying to will oneself under a 3 hour marathon time. Some can, some can’t, and natural talent is often the deciding factor.

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  217. @NOTA
    I think Trump hits a lot of buttons that remind Jews of the kind of leaders who have traditionally roused the rabble to pogroms, as much as he does of Hitler. It's not crazy to have a long memory of a political movement that killed half your family tree off in a few years, but I do think that's led a lot of Jews to overreact to Trump.

    I say this as a guy who is not remotely a supporter of Trump--I think he's likely to do a lot of things I think are bad ideas, and I'd like a sane opposition that picks its battles and pushes back against the bad ideas without turning every bad policy into "OMG he's just like Hitler!!!"

    It’s not crazy to have a long memory of a political movement that killed half your family tree off in a few years, but I do think that’s led a lot of Jews to overreact to Trump.

    Is it crazy for Ukrainians to remember those responsible for the Holomodor?

    I am sure you can find Holomodor info is you search.

    It seems like there are always two sides to these stories …

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  218. EriK says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    gcochan, Childrens' success in the study of math and then physics begins when parents, such as yourself, invest the time and reinforce the belief that your children can excel in math. Children whose parents tell them, over and over, that math is hard and that they can't help them handicap their kids.

    My parents hated math and never helped me with any math homework. But, I never felt handicapped by that and in fact like maths to this day.

    Of course, I’m adopted.

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    EriK, Doesn't matter if your parents hated math, as long as they loved you. Big key to all success.
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  219. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @slumber_j
    Your comment (with its idiosyncratic punctuation and the underlying whiff of unwellness etc.) reminds me of a poem by the great Robin Robertson:

    Lithium

    After the arc of ECT
    and the blunt concussion of pills,
    they gave him lithium to cling to—
    the psychiatrist's stone.
    A metal that floats on water,
    must be kept in kerosene,
    can be drawn into wire.
    (He who had jumped in the harbor,
    burnt his hair off,
    been caught hanging from the light.)
    He'd heard it was once used
    to make hydrogen bombs,
    but now was a coolant for nuclear reactors,
    so he broke out of hospital barefoot
    and walked ten miles to meet me in the snow.

    “Your comment (with its idiosyncratic punctuation and the underlying whiff of unwellness etc.) reminds me of a poem by the great Robin Robertson:”

    LOL!

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  220. gcochran says:
    @Ed
    I thought it was very curious that the author speculates that unique discrimination against African-Americans is why they were few in number compared to the black kids of immigrants.

    The mainstream media simply cannot countenance that maybe cultural habits are to blame for many of the poor outcomes of many African-Americans.

    There are not many Caribbean or African-origin blacks scoring at the highest levels, because the total number of blacks ( of all kinds) scoring at the highest levels is small.

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    Blacks, while roughly 15% of school age children, comprise maybe 2% of the top ranks so they are "underrepresented" by maybe 700% . Probably Carribean and African blacks are still underrepresented in relation to their numbers, but maybe only 300%. But the result is that 0f that 2%, a disproportionate # are Caribbean and African.
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  221. @AndrewR
    "Likely" is an Anglo-Saxon synonym to "probably."

    An "American Holocaust" is pretty much impossible. Americans are the most pro-Hebrew people in history. Virtually everyone in the US thinks either that Israel is Our Greatest Ally (if not the Holy Land of God's Chosen People) or that Hitler was unquestionably Teh Most Ebil Dude Evar. Many people people, of course, think both of these things. Jewish paranoia about anti-Semitism in the US is one of the most irrational phenemona in human history.

    Jewish paranoia about anti-Semitism in the US is one of the most irrational phenemona in human history.

    Yes, but not as irrational as the way Jewish community federations, HIAS, JCRCs, Reform rabbis and much of the rank and file have lately embraced the cause of mass Muslim immigration.

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  222. CCZ says:

    No need for an elite preparatory school education (or editors), cause grammar be racist.

    UW Press Release:

    The University of Washington Tacoma Writing Center has taken significant steps towards standing against racism in the field of writing. With its new antiracism and social justice statement, the Center starts a conversation on the discrimination and alienation that often go unnoticed in academia. As the statement urges, “there is no inherent ‘standard’ of English,” and with this in mind, the Center aims to ensure that through compassion and careful consideration, staff do not inadvertently embrace racist practices.

    Spearheaded by Writing Center Director Dr. Asao Inoue, an associate professor and director of university writing, the statement is very much influenced by Inoue’s research on racism in writing assessments. In his 2015 book, Antiracist Writing Assessment Ecologies: Teaching and Assessing Writing for a Socially Just Future, Inoue considered the many ways in which racism becomes apparent in academia. Dr. Inoue has dedicated his career to the study of rhetoric and composition, in order to better understand and work to solve racial inequity in academia.

    “The anti-racism statement…was officially put up and incorporated in our work in the fall of 2016, so we are just beginning.” Dr. Inoue contends that in order for something to become anti-racist, there must first be an earnest discussion of how racism has produced certain standards of education.

    While overt racism is usually easily identified, more elusive are microaggressions, forms of degradation which manifest on a subconscious and casual level. As the statement reads “Racism is pervasive. It is in the systems, structures, rules, languages, expectations, and guidelines that make up our classes, school, and society,”

    Ultimately, the statement exists in the hopes that by understanding racism and imparting students with a critical thought process, that they may be better prepared not only to develop as writers but also to achieve their highest possible level of success.

    Dr. Jill Purdy, vice chancellor of undergraduate affairs and an advocate for the writing statement, notes that it “is a great example of how we are striving to act against racism. Language is the bridge between ideas and action, so how we use words has a lot of influence on what we think and do.”

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    One of the best arguments for blood nationalism that I have read.
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  223. Jack D says:
    @Triumph104
    The New York Times changed the title of the article to Beyond ‘Hidden Figures’: Nurturing New Black and Latino Math Whizzes.

    The article is excessively long so I knew there were a few nuggets of truth in it. The math program, BEAM, is for poor 6th and 7th graders. Although there are about 80,000 students in each grade in New York City public schools, the program is only for 80 6th graders and 80 7th graders.

    The photos in the article and on the BEAM website show an overabundance of Muslims and there are also a few East Asians. The Times says, "... Jonathan was one of just a few African-American boys at BEAM (some of the other black students were the children of African or Caribbean immigrants)".

    As for BEAM's success: “Although our students make tremendous progress,” Mr. Zaharopol wrote in a 2015 grant proposal, “it is clear that many of them, even our highest achievers, are still well below their potential.”

    I thought you were joking about the new title, but no, it’s real.

    Here is the full quote:

    “That Jonathan was one of just a few African-American boys at BEAM (some of the other black students were the children of African or Caribbean immigrants) could have been a fluke. Or it could have been a reflection of the unique forms of discrimination faced by young African-American males, even in elementary school.”

    This makes no sense – generally speaking, evil white racists who discriminate against young black boys (we all know how all-pervasive that discrimination is in NYC with its large Klan membership) can’t tell the children of African or Caribbean immigrants apart from the children of African-American slave descendants, so you would expect them to experience discrimination at about the same level. So the cause must be elsewhere, such as dysfunctional AA culture (the article mentions that Jonathan was disruptive in class and that never saw his father). But everyone know that blacks have no agency – whatever happens to them is whitey’s fault.

    “it is clear that many of them, even our highest achievers, are still well below their potential.”

    In other words, they still suck at math. In fact, Zaharapol has no idea what the “potential” of these kids is. Maybe being sucky at math IS their true potential. But he is lobbying for more $ for an even earlier intervention. If whatever you are doing doesn’t close the gap, this means that the intervention was not soon enough and it must take place even earlier. Meanwhile lots of nice white lady teachers have jobs and there is even a black Phd student whose job it is to ride the subway with these kids.

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  224. @Joe Walker
    Then why don't the Jews just move to Israel to get away from us evil gentiles? Jews are apparently afraid of gentiles but want to live in countries filled with them.

    Why do ticks attach themselves to humans when they risk being pulled off and burned?

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  225. @slumber_j
    Actually, Dalton has weirdly taken Diversity to heart in the most extreme possible way. They've instituted severe admission quotas to make the school look like America...or I guess New York, if by New York you mean the South Bronx. From the WSJ in 2011:

    Assembling diverse classes is an oft-stated goal among New York City private schools, with brochures featuring beaming multicultural students.

    But this September Dalton will approach a rare benchmark: Nearly half of the incoming kindergarten class will be students of color.

    Dalton will dramatically exceed the citywide average for kindergarten diversity at New York's private schools, which was 30% students of color last year, according to data from the National Association of Independent Schools.
     
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424053111903918104576500653887399330

    When they first publicized this--and they publicized it a lot--I remember realizing what the actual effect would be: if you were a legacy or otherwise somehow plugged-in, you could still go to Dalton, but otherwise you couldn't unless you were Dominican or whatever. So again we get the virtue-signaling move toward class immobility through religious purity.

    I live on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, and my wife and I both know tons of people who went to expensive NYC private schools. When Dalton's queasiness about Wollman Rink's Trumpiness surfaced the other day, we tried to think of one nice person we know who went to that school--but that turned out to be a bridge too far. Maybe Diversity will fix that.

    My guess is half those ‘diverse’ students will be wealthy orientals or indians.
    I would like that they had some real life south bronx diversity.. they’d be out of business fairly quickly.

    Today I was in Brooklyn and several stores had “We stand with opposing Islamaphobia’ signs – I can’t even walk into a store and buy a pair of underwear without some virtue signaling message…

    It struck me that white liberals are the most shallow, vain and nasty people i have ever met. Their chief concern is showing they are of a certain caste, even at the cost of supporting policies that utterly destroy the nation. To the point of supporting muslim calls to prayer in times square and becoming hysterical because Melenia Trump said the Lord’s Prayer…

    I think white liberals need a good dose of Islam, then we’ll see how many want to put up “Stop Islamaphobia’ signs…

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  226. Dissident says:
    @PiltdownMan
    Dalton today is not much more racially diverse than it was 25 years ago. An extra East Asian or Indian face or two, and a couple of AAs, but that's about it.

    My observation of the kids streaming into the school every day—long ago, when I lived in New York, and on a recent extended trip, when I stayed in the same neighborhood.

    The web page, I expect, tells a different, carefully photographed, story.

    The web page, I expect, tells a different, carefully photographed, story.

    https://www.dalton.org/page

    The imagery just screams “vibrant diversity!”

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  227. Dissident says:
    @Mr Mack Bolan
    Wow, 45,000 per child! I would have had to dabble in the stock market or bank robbery to put my two kids through school.
    You will never see any of these upper crust children in public school. Yet their parents are all bent outta shape over David because she likes school of choice for the public sector. I don't think they want inner city children to get a better shot at an education. They seem to like it better when poor people are uneducated it adds to their superiority.

    I read an article once about a teacher who taught fifth grade at that school. She had run afoul of some of the parents for some PC crap and was getting a thirty day suspension, anyway they felt the need to tell the readers that she made 115000 per year. That tells me everything that I need to know about that school.
    If the teachers get paid that kind of money they gotta be good, right?

    Yet their parents are all bent outta shape over David because she likes school of choice for the public sector.

    “David”? Didn’t you mean DeVos (Betsy)?

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  228. Jack D says:
    @gcochran
    There are not many Caribbean or African-origin blacks scoring at the highest levels, because the total number of blacks ( of all kinds) scoring at the highest levels is small.

    Blacks, while roughly 15% of school age children, comprise maybe 2% of the top ranks so they are “underrepresented” by maybe 700% . Probably Carribean and African blacks are still underrepresented in relation to their numbers, but maybe only 300%. But the result is that 0f that 2%, a disproportionate # are Caribbean and African.

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    No doubt due to the fact that those Confederate crackers who chose to dip their wicks into brown sugar were by and large not from the elite classes in the ante-bellum South. More overseers than plantation owners I would guess.
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  229. Dave says:
    @anonymous
    Though the conventional wisdom is that the Aryans imposed the caste system in India, untouchability and hierarchy are very well-entrenched even in the far southern tip of the country, where the people still speak Dravidian languages.

    I have a hunch that future research will suggest that the multi-tiered caste system, with its hundreds of endogamous communities, and the concept of untouchability, was a feature of Pre-Aryan India. Aryan immigration probably imposed a classification of Brahmins, warriors, traders, and plebs on top of this pre-existing structure.

    The more you learn about India, the more obvious it is that the Aryan culture is a very thin superstratum. The vast mass of the civilization is still pre-Aryan. Somewhat like the steady decline in Spanish culture relative to native culture in Mexico, but fast forwarded a few thousand years. The genes and the language remain, but everything else is being rapidly eroded.

    Your hunch seems correct. The Aryan Invasion theory has been largely abandoned in India and among academic specialists.
    The theory was a product of the 19th century, and although some elements of the theory still hold water, India had a large scale, sophisticated civilization before the arrival of the Indo-European languages.
    It also appears that the Aryans might have been migrating into the sub continent earlier and in a less invasive manner than the Invasion theory would allow for.

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  230. JimB says:
    @Gabriel M

    They do if you are retarded.
     
    Lots of things that millions of people believe are completely retarded. In this case, a lot of Jews are being deliberately bombarded with deceptive information designed to make them believe Trump is the next Hitler in waiting. If you're not paying attention and you trust the media sources in question, then that's what you believe.


    A few years ago when the Tea Party was in full swing, there was this weird trend in which whenever there was a mass shooting CNN etc. would tryn and find some way to link it to the Tea Party. In the most absurd example, when the police released the name of a shooter, someone stuck it into google and found that it was a the same name as a Tea Party rally organizer in the state [!!!]. I used to wonder why they did this. Didn't it just make them look stupid? Why didn't they wait to see whether there was actually a link? Then I realised: the point wasn't too link a specific shooting to the Tea Party (for that they could afford to wait until the details came out, after all, eventually there would be one), the point was a to create a link in their viewer's minds between the Tea Party and violence. No-one really remembers each specific incident and how the media reported it (except aspies on blogs), but they recall at the back of their mind that the Tea Party was linked to an awful lot of mass shootings. It's the same with Trump anti-antisemitism thing. Each individual piece of evidence just looks like a joke, but that's only relevant if you're paying attention. For the typical media-consumer all that matters is that Trump has all these "links" to anti-antisemitism. You can see a lot of examples of this phenomenon if you're attune to it.

    Guilt by six degrees of separation. Works like a charm.

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    Guilt is such a trending topic that even Kevin Bacon will have to change his name to something kosher. Perhaps Kevin Flapmeat, or Kevin Brisket, but not Kevin Skirtsteak!
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  231. @Coemgen
    I've demonstrated to my son, using the Socratic Method, that he is quite capable of doing well in math provided he does some thoughtful practice. He understands that poor math skills are the fast-track to being a loser as an adult.

    He continues to put little effort into math study and has the C average to show for it.

    In spite of much advocation for the contrary, I think schools are pretty happy to let unmotivated students do poorly. The "elites" who set the schools' agenda do not want "the competition."

    Coemgen, Yes, teachers will always teach to the brightest students, especially in the STEM courses. Who wants to teach to a disinterested student. Math games, when your children are young, is the best way to keep them interested in math.

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    Perhaps you are younger than I am. I remember when teachers tried to get blood-from-a-stone. We were competing with the Soviets. We needed all-hands-on-deck. No-one was going to fall-through-the-cracks without a struggle.

    Now we've got the "tyranny of low expectations." One is either "elite" or nothing.
    , @Old Palo Altan
    I for one would have loved the chance of teaching a disinterested student. The amount of lofty disdain required for a teenager to be disinterested about anything would necessarily be the result of a high and critical and precocious intelligence.
    You meant "uninterested".
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  232. @PiltdownMan

    Lots of gays, Roma, and political undesirables were murdered as well.
     
    Your use of the phrase "as well", which is no doubt unintentional, gives in to the subtly posited recent narrative that the Holocaust was singularly a Jewish experience—because Jews were specifically targeted, while other groups were merely swept into it.

    In fact, Gypsies and homosexuals were two of the three groups specifically targeted by Nazi ideology—the third and largest, of course, being Jews.

    You omit this lot, who were targeted even under Hindenburg for being the wrong kind of Christian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_in_Nazi_Germany

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  233. @Triumph104
    TV weatherman Al Roker's daughter attended Dalton until she started struggling in middle school. She conveniently discovered her passion for acting and attended Fiorello H. Laguardia High School Of Music & Art and Performing Arts, the FAME high school.

    The elite private schools in New York City accept kindergartners with strong social skills and parents with impressive job titles or high incomes. Everything is fine until 6th grade when the academics become rigorous. Kids who can't keep up are "counseled out" or leave on their own steam. They are replaced by ninth graders who test in the 99th percentile and have a strong chance of being admitted to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, or Stanford. College placement is what attracts parents to these prep schools.

    Elite schools aren't good; they are just good at cherry-picking.

    My guess is that in the 90s, prep schools across the US were told to diversify or the HYPS-type would no longer consider their students for admission, which is why Dalton kids can't skate at Trump's rink. In the documentary American Promise, the boys are among the first wave of intentionally diverse students.

    One boy is the son of a doctor and lawyer/documentarian, Harvard Medical School and Columbia Law School. The other boy is the son of a nurse and engineer. Both mothers are immigrants. Since the boys were academic duds, none of their siblings got a shot a Dalton. The other son of the doctor and lawyer wound up at Brooklyn Friends.

    Tri, so the one father is a doctor who graduated from Harvard Med school. Well do you know what they call the person who finishes last in his class at Harvard Med school? Doctor.

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  234. @Mr Mack Bolan
    Wow, 45,000 per child! I would have had to dabble in the stock market or bank robbery to put my two kids through school.
    You will never see any of these upper crust children in public school. Yet their parents are all bent outta shape over David because she likes school of choice for the public sector. I don't think they want inner city children to get a better shot at an education. They seem to like it better when poor people are uneducated it adds to their superiority.

    I read an article once about a teacher who taught fifth grade at that school. She had run afoul of some of the parents for some PC crap and was getting a thirty day suspension, anyway they felt the need to tell the readers that she made 115000 per year. That tells me everything that I need to know about that school.
    If the teachers get paid that kind of money they gotta be good, right?

    Mr. Mack, my granddaughter goes to a public school in Bucks County, Pa. Her second grade teacher makes $122K per year for a 180 day school year, and that is a matter of public record. My cousin’s wife teaches Art in Buffalo Public Schools and she hauled in $84K last year before the new contract kicks in and in my school district, a burb of Buffalo we have Phys. Ed. teachers who make $105K. So, $115K at an elite prep school in NYC seems kind of pedestrian.

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    Private school pay is low compared with public school, especially, considering how much higher the cost of living in NYC is, compared with Buffalo and Bucks County, PA.
    , @Jack D
    Private school teacher pay is lower because they are essentially businesses that don't have the power of taxation - if they raise their prices too high they will go out of business. The teachers are rarely if ever unionized.

    They can get away with this because private school teaching is an enjoyable job compared to public school. Your students will not punch you unconscious. They are highly motivated and intelligent young people who can be a joy to teach.
    , @Ivy
    Those are some eye-watering, or stomach-turning salaries, and I thought that the $150K Orange County lifeguards represented a type of high water mark!
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  235. @International Jew

    According to economic historian Gregory Clark’s research on surnames, India has by far the least social mobility of any major country.
     
    Maybe today the software industry is changing that. I used to work with a guy who told me he's from a "backward caste". Grew up poor, commuted to university on one of those trains with thousands of people clinging to the sides and roof. Now in America he's an Indian software engineer like so many others, free to rise or fall on brutally meritocratic criteria.

    I believe your experience is still very unusual.

    While I have met countless Gujarati Patels and Tamil Brahmins, I have yet to meet an “untouchable” working in the US. And I do not know any other Americans who have met an Indian here they knew was from an “unscheduled caste” in a professional capacity.

    What are his associations with other Indians in the US like?

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    The Deputy Consul General arrested in New York for visa fraud and illegally 'employing' her slave was a Dalit.
    , @rec1man
    Backward caste is not dalit

    The heirarchy goes as follows

    Brahmin, Kshatriya ( noble ) , Vaishya ( merchant )
    these 3 castes have the sacred thread ( twice born castes ), these are just 15% of the population

    Next come Intermediate Caste / Upper Shudra, ( Kulak ) such as Patel, Jat Sikh etc
    Kayastha ( scribe ) etc

    Then Other Backward Caste

    Then Most Backward Caste,

    All these are touchable, non-Dalit, backward castes, 40% of the population

    Backward caste is not dalit,
    Dalit ( Pariah, Chandala ) is below Backward caste ( Shudra )

    Then you have Dalit castes, Untouchable,
    with top layer of leather worker ( Pariah, Chamar, Jadhav ) ,
    and bottom layer Maha Dalit, toilet cleaner

    In South India, just 5% are forward castes, 75% Backward caste, and 20% Dalit
    Half the IT crowd is backward caste
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  236. @Buffalo Joe
    Mr. Mack, my granddaughter goes to a public school in Bucks County, Pa. Her second grade teacher makes $122K per year for a 180 day school year, and that is a matter of public record. My cousin's wife teaches Art in Buffalo Public Schools and she hauled in $84K last year before the new contract kicks in and in my school district, a burb of Buffalo we have Phys. Ed. teachers who make $105K. So, $115K at an elite prep school in NYC seems kind of pedestrian.

    Private school pay is low compared with public school, especially, considering how much higher the cost of living in NYC is, compared with Buffalo and Bucks County, PA.

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    Private school pay (including benefits) is also generally lower than public school pay in upstate NY (including Buffalo).
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    PV, thank you for your reply but according to WiKi the median family income in Bucks County, Pa. is $90K and the MFI for NY County, the highest listed, is $75K. Bucks county is where people who work in NYC, but want as pastoral lifestyle live, Pennsylvania horse country. Train cars full of NYC commuters daily.
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  237. @Ed
    I thought it was very curious that the author speculates that unique discrimination against African-Americans is why they were few in number compared to the black kids of immigrants.

    The mainstream media simply cannot countenance that maybe cultural habits are to blame for many of the poor outcomes of many African-Americans.

    When it comes to reporting on black education or financial achievement, the news is always bad. So that the messenger doesn’t get shot, mainstream media makes up an excuse for the failure and heaps false praise.

    To be fair to the kids, it is insane that the program expects poor kids from the worst schools in the city to be the next generation of mathematicians. Most of the Mathematical Olympiad kids in the US and Canada are affluent, have parents with math-related degrees, and a significant number have attended Phillips Exeter or other well-known elite schools.

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    A very significant % of the E. Asians who really are going to be the next generation of mathematicians are the children of parents who are lacking in education and often don't speak a word of English. But they have tiger mothers and fathers.
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  238. @Anon 2
    OT: Interesting article in the Aug. 20, 2015 issue of The Atlantic
    that some of us may have missed. The title is, "Asians now outpace
    Mexicans in terms of Undocumented Growth. " About 20% of
    Korean Americans are illegal aliens. The figures are probably similar
    for the Chinese. About 300,000 East Indians are in the U.S. illegally.

    In terms of cost and logistics, how is the U.S. going to deport so many
    Chinese and Indians? Fly them to Beijing or whichever province they
    came from, as they do with Mexicans? So far I haven't seen anything in
    the media about the deportations of the Chinese or Indians

    Anon, very interesting considering that we don’t share a border with Korea. So , they fly in and overstay or come down from Canada?

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    Chinese have all kinds of smuggling ops to get them in here illegally. Say they pay the snake heads $50,000 to get into America, then have to work this debt off in bondage in Chinese restaurants. BTW where I am there are so many more Chinese restaurants and takeouts than there used to be and the food is not good. The menus are almost the same. I like Chinese food but avoid these "houses of trashy food".

    So 20% of Koreans are illegal? I have heard similar numbers for Filipinos. Filipinos here used to be 100% legal immigrants. As far as illegal Koreans go, my bet is that all of them came here legally on visas and never left. Koreans here and in Korea are wealthy enough to do it this way. Many of the Chinese coming here illegally come from dog poor circumstances. They are like Mexican peasants but Chinese, so higher IQ.

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  239. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    I'm sure that for your family that's true. :)

    Btw, comments like that are one of the most annoying things about the iSteve crew. Yeah, yeah, I get it. You and your family are a bunch of geniuses. If you truly believe that "anyone" can major in physics, you're an aspy who needs to get out more. Sorry but us Morlocks with our 125 IQs find physics kind of hard - and, as difficult as you might find this to believe, there are people who find high school algebra and geometry kind of hard.

    Hey, be happy that you (and, apparently, your kids) won the genetic lottery, but at least acknowledge that you did, in fact, win and not everybody runs home with the Golden Ticket.

    Look, I'm just pointing out the unfairness that surrounds most black kids at the top of their group. Even blacks kids who are in the top ~2% of their race clock in around an IQ of 115 to 125. Yes, there are a few who are 3 SD who end up past 130, but, in general, all but a literal handful of the top one or two percent of blacks are in that 115 to 125 range. Reasonably smart human beings, yes, but Harvard or MIT material, no. And that's the tragedy.

    These kids aren't coming from the ghetto, so Good Whites must explain their failure and the usual suspects don't quite make sense, so Good Whites start looking around. And very quietly, they start to blame blacks themselves. Don't study enough. Culture. Etc.

    Obviously, Good Whites can't accept genetic differences. But if Bad Whites aren't in the picture, you start to run out of suspects to blame. Naturally, Good White won't blame themselves so they turn to blacks - or teachers - for the failure.

    Regardless, it's unfair to keep telling blacks that they should be scoring as well as whites or NE Asians. Just like it would be unfair for me to tell my kids that their failures for not getting perfect scores on the SAT/ACT. For your kids, they're just reaching their natural abilities; for my kids, it's asking them to climb Everest with a backpack of filled with granola bars. (And, yes, my kids are reasonably bright, but to pretend that

    I’m within several standard deviations of absolute certainty that gcochran was being sarcastic and would generally agree with your (much more, uh, detailed) comments.

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  240. @donut
    Stop picking your nose and past my posts you Godless fuck . BTW , that masterpiece "Laocoon" ? Every man of us has wrestled with Gods commands . And our salvation is our resistance .

    donut, I like the way you capitalize God and then use it before the word fuck, probably the result of Catholic education.

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  241. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Okay, so you bedded Scarlet Johansson, but will she bear your child? If not, your just another one-night stand.

    Charles, Worse yet, who would believe you scored with Scarlet.

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    Well, no one would believe that. But maybe SFG is a Casanova! It could happen, even if we would not expect it.
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  242. @Triumph104
    I just watched the 2017 HBO documentary on Warren Buffett. While I knew that his father was a politician, I was actually surprised to find out that Buffett's father was a stock broker and investor. No wonder Buffett always talks about the birth lottery. His father had to deal with the depression. Buffett is also aware that he had the advantage of learning the language of investing as a child and having access to all of his father's reading material.

    tri, My son made his money advising stock brokers and retired at age 40. I love to hear him talk to my grandchildren about the Market and money matters. They all have their own portfolios and bank cards. So they are learning the language of investing too.

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    Who advises stock brokers? Aren't they the ones doing the advising?
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  243. George says:

    Caste Abroad: Bringing Casteism to UK and USA

    https://drambedkarbooks.com/2011/08/18/caste-abroad/

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    I've been told that there is now Affirmative Action within India for lower caste people. And exactly as in the USA, it brings in people who are less able, less gifted. Presumably there's a substantive the upper castes are on top.

    Do they expect that every form of Indian discrimination will have a whole civil rights infrastructure to stop it in every country they choose to emigrate to? These Dalits chose to move to the UK or USA.
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  244. Jacobite says:
    @Jack D
    Blacks, while roughly 15% of school age children, comprise maybe 2% of the top ranks so they are "underrepresented" by maybe 700% . Probably Carribean and African blacks are still underrepresented in relation to their numbers, but maybe only 300%. But the result is that 0f that 2%, a disproportionate # are Caribbean and African.

    No doubt due to the fact that those Confederate crackers who chose to dip their wicks into brown sugar were by and large not from the elite classes in the ante-bellum South. More overseers than plantation owners I would guess.

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    I doubt that was the problem. Caribbean blacks come from a culture with more intact family structures. If you look at the demographics of the Hopkins "Study of Exceptional Talent", virtually all come from intact families. It takes a village to raise a child but it takes an intact family to raise a genius.
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  245. rec1man says:
    @International Jew

    According to economic historian Gregory Clark’s research on surnames, India has by far the least social mobility of any major country.
     
    Maybe today the software industry is changing that. I used to work with a guy who told me he's from a "backward caste". Grew up poor, commuted to university on one of those trains with thousands of people clinging to the sides and roof. Now in America he's an Indian software engineer like so many others, free to rise or fall on brutally meritocratic criteria.

    Among South Indians, except for brahmins, 3%,
    the other 97% of the population is Shudra ( Backward caste ),

    and there is 70% affirmative action quota in South India ,

    assume the top half of them get into IT jobs,
    which means at least 35% are from backward caste

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    Which is probably why now there are consistently clueless Indians among the group you hire. Affirmative action!
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  246. @Triumph104
    The New York Times changed the title of the article to Beyond ‘Hidden Figures’: Nurturing New Black and Latino Math Whizzes.

    The article is excessively long so I knew there were a few nuggets of truth in it. The math program, BEAM, is for poor 6th and 7th graders. Although there are about 80,000 students in each grade in New York City public schools, the program is only for 80 6th graders and 80 7th graders.

    The photos in the article and on the BEAM website show an overabundance of Muslims and there are also a few East Asians. The Times says, "... Jonathan was one of just a few African-American boys at BEAM (some of the other black students were the children of African or Caribbean immigrants)".

    As for BEAM's success: “Although our students make tremendous progress,” Mr. Zaharopol wrote in a 2015 grant proposal, “it is clear that many of them, even our highest achievers, are still well below their potential.”

    “still well below their potential”

    One wonders: what is their potential, and how is it determined? A priori?

    *All men have equal innate potential.
    *Smith and Jones are men.
    *Therefore, Smith and Jones have equal innate potential.

    *All alternatives to the proposition “all men have equal innate potential” are exhausted by the proposition “all men are innately either masters or slaves.”
    *”All men are innately either masters or slaves” is an unacceptable proposition.
    *Therefore, any alternative to the proposition “all men have equal innate potential” is unacceptable.

    If Jones is found to be below Smith’s level, then acceptable explanations include: the test is to blame (flawed test); Jones’s parents or teachers are to blame (malice or insufficient support); Jones is to blame (he is ill or lazy); Smith or his coequals (including society at large) are to blame (they are bullies, cheaters, racists). Unacceptable explanations include: some individuals are more successful as plumbers than as physicists; my thinking on the subject includes unexamined false premises.

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  247. @SFG
    The example of things like Weimar Germany, where things were OK then went really really bad, radically changes their risk-benefit calculus. If you thought there was even a 1% chance of all your relatives actually being exterminated as the result of a political shift, you'd suddenly become very nervous about even the smallest bit of prejudice against your group, even at relatively low levels. Trump has made no policy promises directly threatening the American Jewish population. But...things like the Holocaust statement that didn't mention the Jews, the famous six-pointed star, the ad featuring three Jews as examples of the global elite, all seem like winks at the counter-Semitic crowd.

    If anything I think he will wink at the Nazis and then fail to deliver any pogroms...but the Forward doesn't really see it that way.

    We really need to get these barking mad lunatics out of the country,

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  248. rec1man says:
    @PiltdownMan

    It’s worth mentioning that “Indian-Americans” as a group have the highest per capita income and educational attainment of any ethnic group (not counting, of course, you-know-who). They’re much in evidence everywhere the IT industry is present. I wouldn’t be surprised to see caste-based thinking become en vogue in the coming years.
     
    Including you-know-who, if I recall some table rankings correctly. I understand that among small ethic immigrant groups, only Nigerians and Ghanaians outrank them. I don't know the story behind these West African groups.

    The Indian presence in IT is relatively recent and dates back to the Y2K scare which caused the importation of Indian programmers as contract workers. It appears many stayed on, or found a way to, and with the IT boom, companies found a way (the H-1B program) to import many more, getting around the slow and arduous process of regular employment based immigration of sponsorship for green cards.

    I distinctly recall that through the early 1990s, almost all Indians (they were mostly not "Indian-American" yet) I met were engineers or doctors, with a handful of finance industry employees, presumably the cream of the crop. It seemed that those that I met first arrived to attend graduate school in the US on merit based scholarships.

    The next wave seemed to consist of poor relatives in the motel and convenience store business, and in New York, Sikh cab drivers.

    Indian IT types showed up later.

    “I understand that among small ethic immigrant groups, only Nigerians and Ghanaians outrank them. I don’t know the story behind these West African groups.”

    Incorrect -

    I have data from Devesh Kapur, book = the other 1%, Page 44
    West Africans dont outrank Indians

    Median Family Income,
    Indian = $110K
    Swiss = $105k
    Nigerian = $70k

    % with Graduate degree
    Indian = 40%
    Taiwan=37%
    Nigeria = 22%

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  249. @Anon
    Shiite. Deplorables are now...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwQduB2qxo8

    Anon, since you seem to be on top of this caste dealy, are we deplorables above or below the untouchables? My toilet’s been leaking and I just wanted to know whether to go to the hardware store for another flapper valve or to let it go, if we have been living above our caste-level and shan’t be needing this contraption anymore.

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    Fix the toilet. Rising above caste-level is what Americans do.
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  250. artichoke says:
    @Verymuchalive
    When he demits office, I hope he leaves NY for much safer locales. And that goes for his family too. Many do not realise it, but this is the end for NYC too.

    NYC may have problems, but all the other major cities have worse problems, including London and all the cities in Europe. China’s going heavy communist now so they’re not competitive any more either. NYC is now clearly the top city in the world, but we do need a new Mayor.

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  251. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    I'm sure that for your family that's true. :)

    Btw, comments like that are one of the most annoying things about the iSteve crew. Yeah, yeah, I get it. You and your family are a bunch of geniuses. If you truly believe that "anyone" can major in physics, you're an aspy who needs to get out more. Sorry but us Morlocks with our 125 IQs find physics kind of hard - and, as difficult as you might find this to believe, there are people who find high school algebra and geometry kind of hard.

    Hey, be happy that you (and, apparently, your kids) won the genetic lottery, but at least acknowledge that you did, in fact, win and not everybody runs home with the Golden Ticket.

    Look, I'm just pointing out the unfairness that surrounds most black kids at the top of their group. Even blacks kids who are in the top ~2% of their race clock in around an IQ of 115 to 125. Yes, there are a few who are 3 SD who end up past 130, but, in general, all but a literal handful of the top one or two percent of blacks are in that 115 to 125 range. Reasonably smart human beings, yes, but Harvard or MIT material, no. And that's the tragedy.

    These kids aren't coming from the ghetto, so Good Whites must explain their failure and the usual suspects don't quite make sense, so Good Whites start looking around. And very quietly, they start to blame blacks themselves. Don't study enough. Culture. Etc.

    Obviously, Good Whites can't accept genetic differences. But if Bad Whites aren't in the picture, you start to run out of suspects to blame. Naturally, Good White won't blame themselves so they turn to blacks - or teachers - for the failure.

    Regardless, it's unfair to keep telling blacks that they should be scoring as well as whites or NE Asians. Just like it would be unfair for me to tell my kids that their failures for not getting perfect scores on the SAT/ACT. For your kids, they're just reaching their natural abilities; for my kids, it's asking them to climb Everest with a backpack of filled with granola bars. (And, yes, my kids are reasonably bright, but to pretend that

    Based on your reply, dear citizen, I nominate Cochran for the Most Efficient Troll of the Week prize. Well done, Greg!

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  252. artichoke says:
    @George
    Caste Abroad: Bringing Casteism to UK and USA

    https://drambedkarbooks.com/2011/08/18/caste-abroad/

    I’ve been told that there is now Affirmative Action within India for lower caste people. And exactly as in the USA, it brings in people who are less able, less gifted. Presumably there’s a substantive the upper castes are on top.

    Do they expect that every form of Indian discrimination will have a whole civil rights infrastructure to stop it in every country they choose to emigrate to? These Dalits chose to move to the UK or USA.

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    Quota in India,

    Central Govt and North India

    SC = Schedule Caste = Untouchable / Dalit = 15%
    ST = Schedule Tribe = Forest Dweller Tribal = 7%
    Backward Caste ( Shudra ) = 27%
    Total Quota = 49%
    Open = 51%

    South India
    SC / ST = 19%
    Backward Caste = 50%
    Open = 31%
    , @PiltdownMan

    I’ve been told that there is now Affirmative Action within India for lower caste people.
     
    India has had the largest affirmative action program for the last 65 years. It is baked into their constitution, and typically accounted for up to a quarter of all positions in government and publicly funded education, including universities. As the lower castes constitute the majority of the population, affirmative action quotas can exceed 50% of hires or college admissions. They also have explicit, published lower cutoffs for low-caste college admissions. Although much of social mobility and formalized opportunity in India is supposedly governed by meritocratic exams, the whole system is apparently a mess with all the AA carveouts.
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  253. artichoke says:
    @rec1man
    Among South Indians, except for brahmins, 3%,
    the other 97% of the population is Shudra ( Backward caste ),

    and there is 70% affirmative action quota in South India ,

    assume the top half of them get into IT jobs,
    which means at least 35% are from backward caste

    Which is probably why now there are consistently clueless Indians among the group you hire. Affirmative action!

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    The quality of Indian H1B has gone down, due to about half the new entrants being lower caste who got engineering degree by affirmative action
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  254. Corvinus says:
    @kek
    Wow even children parties are now being politicized by the insane Left. My guess is that the children are more mature than the parents and could actually handle a day a Wollman Rink without be emotionally scarred for life.

    One day the History books may write that those living in 2017 were witness to the death of Socialism and the Democrat party. That's the party the parents should have stayed away from.

    “Wow even children parties are now being politicized by the insane Left.”

    Politicized, yes. Insane left, no.

    I wonder if the rink had been funded by the Soros Foundation would there have been a similar reaction by the conservative crowd.

    “My guess is that the children are more mature than the parents and could actually handle a day a Wollman Rink without be emotionally scarred for life.”

    Yes.

    “One day the History books may write that those living in 2017 were witness to the death of Socialism and the Democrat party. That’s the party the parents should have stayed away from.”

    It’s not the party or its ideologies, it’s the people running it. Don’t forget that important point.

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    Insane left, no.
     
    Amplifying an oxymoron does not reduce the disgust we all feel, nor attenuate the invidious nature of your motivation, or even lessen the magnitude of dissonance that such an obviously dishonest phrase induces. There is nothing but insanity on the left.

    You are a wonder, because you exhibit all the symptoms of a sentient being, yet your embrace of Old Scratch has marred all that you think, and your writings manifest those defects.

    When you find yourself swimming in the Lake, remember that it did not have to end that way. No, the choice was yours.
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  255. Colorless says:
    @slumber_j
    Actually, Dalton has weirdly taken Diversity to heart in the most extreme possible way. They've instituted severe admission quotas to make the school look like America...or I guess New York, if by New York you mean the South Bronx. From the WSJ in 2011:

    Assembling diverse classes is an oft-stated goal among New York City private schools, with brochures featuring beaming multicultural students.

    But this September Dalton will approach a rare benchmark: Nearly half of the incoming kindergarten class will be students of color.

    Dalton will dramatically exceed the citywide average for kindergarten diversity at New York's private schools, which was 30% students of color last year, according to data from the National Association of Independent Schools.
     
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424053111903918104576500653887399330

    When they first publicized this--and they publicized it a lot--I remember realizing what the actual effect would be: if you were a legacy or otherwise somehow plugged-in, you could still go to Dalton, but otherwise you couldn't unless you were Dominican or whatever. So again we get the virtue-signaling move toward class immobility through religious purity.

    I live on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, and my wife and I both know tons of people who went to expensive NYC private schools. When Dalton's queasiness about Wollman Rink's Trumpiness surfaced the other day, we tried to think of one nice person we know who went to that school--but that turned out to be a bridge too far. Maybe Diversity will fix that.

    Slippery term, “Students Of Color.”

    I find that the category consists mostly of Asians and White-Asian blends. Thus the term functions as a diversion. You’ll find a few well-behaved Latinos and Blacks, but as the Dalton article suggests, they provide little of the school’s academic firepower. They do keep the counselors and remedial specialists well-occupied, though.

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  256. @Shine a Light
    The alt-right is not hostile to Jews per se. They are hostile to Jewish hypocrisy. Richard Spencer even speaks of "white Zionism". Kevin MacDonald advises that white must take up Jewish strategies to prosper. The alt-right wants to be the "New Jews".

    So this means is the alt-right wants is the have same privileges that Jews have. They want to have an ethno-state, tribalism, perpetual victimhood. The alt-right wants an ethno-state that has the right to build a wall, deport illegal infiltrators, and ensure a permanent majority.

    The alt-right wants to be able to call themselves the Chosen People without anyone raising an eyebrow.

    What drives the alt-right absolutely wild with rage is seeing a Jewish commentator preaching one set of values for Jews and a completely different set for Gentiles.

    A mostly fair commentary, except in contrast to Israel the AltRight does not seek to expel US citizens.

    And Richard Spencer is not AltRight.

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    And Richard Spencer is not AltRight.
     
    I notice your screen name is "Opinionator", not "Correctinator", because, although you are brimming with opinions, those opinions seldom seem to be correct - in the sense of actually comporting with external reality.

    Richard Spencer pretty much coined the term "Alt Right".

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  257. Clyde says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, very interesting considering that we don't share a border with Korea. So , they fly in and overstay or come down from Canada?

    Chinese have all kinds of smuggling ops to get them in here illegally. Say they pay the snake heads $50,000 to get into America, then have to work this debt off in bondage in Chinese restaurants. BTW where I am there are so many more Chinese restaurants and takeouts than there used to be and the food is not good. The menus are almost the same. I like Chinese food but avoid these “houses of trashy food”.

    So 20% of Koreans are illegal? I have heard similar numbers for Filipinos. Filipinos here used to be 100% legal immigrants. As far as illegal Koreans go, my bet is that all of them came here legally on visas and never left. Koreans here and in Korea are wealthy enough to do it this way. Many of the Chinese coming here illegally come from dog poor circumstances. They are like Mexican peasants but Chinese, so higher IQ.

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    true, many of the Chinese girls work in nail salons and massage parlors. My hometown, Upper Darby PA, still is less than 5% Asian but we now have several nail salons and massage parlors. 15 years ago we had none.
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  258. @anonymous
    "...It must be some kind of mental illness that makes Jews want to live in countries whose majority populations terrify them."

    In the past when Jews were among the few literate groups in a country that maybe had little-to-no education for the bulk of the population, and a country that may have had a low-IQ, malnourished population, they would have probably assumed correctly that they would be a useful part of the elite classes managing the country and the bulk of the population. The would expect to be safe and protected as a useful adjunct of the ruling elite.

    Their problem today is that populations are no longer illiterate, uneducated, and starving, and that, while the Jews are still smarter, they aren't smarter-then-average enough to be able to expect to shape things to their liking. They can't assume that their education and literacy translates into as useful an aspect of control or wealth, because it's now universal.


    "...if you want Jews to give, scare them to death and after a point, they confuse fund raising with reality. Been there many times and it always works."

    Sounds likely. It also is the sort of thing that keeps the young from assimilating.

    they would have probably assumed correctly that they would be a useful part of the elite classes managing the country and the bulk of the population.

    If not the dominant elite class.

    The would expect to be safe and protected as a useful adjunct of the ruling elite.

    If not the ruling elite, the actual power.

    Sounds likely. It also is the sort of thing that keeps the young from assimilating.

    This.

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  259. Jack D says:
    @Triumph104
    When it comes to reporting on black education or financial achievement, the news is always bad. So that the messenger doesn't get shot, mainstream media makes up an excuse for the failure and heaps false praise.

    To be fair to the kids, it is insane that the program expects poor kids from the worst schools in the city to be the next generation of mathematicians. Most of the Mathematical Olympiad kids in the US and Canada are affluent, have parents with math-related degrees, and a significant number have attended Phillips Exeter or other well-known elite schools.

    A very significant % of the E. Asians who really are going to be the next generation of mathematicians are the children of parents who are lacking in education and often don’t speak a word of English. But they have tiger mothers and fathers.

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  260. Jack D says:
    @Jacobite
    No doubt due to the fact that those Confederate crackers who chose to dip their wicks into brown sugar were by and large not from the elite classes in the ante-bellum South. More overseers than plantation owners I would guess.

    I doubt that was the problem. Caribbean blacks come from a culture with more intact family structures. If you look at the demographics of the Hopkins “Study of Exceptional Talent”, virtually all come from intact families. It takes a village to raise a child but it takes an intact family to raise a genius.

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    "Caribbean blacks come from a culture with more intact family structures"

    Not after 3 generations in the UK, they don't.

    An academic study of why Caribbean blacks in the US seem to do much better than Caribbean blacks in the UK would be interesting, which is probably why it won't be carried out.
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  261. EriK says:
    @PV van der Byl
    Private school pay is low compared with public school, especially, considering how much higher the cost of living in NYC is, compared with Buffalo and Bucks County, PA.

    Private school pay (including benefits) is also generally lower than public school pay in upstate NY (including Buffalo).

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  262. @res

    It’s one reason I went in-house and focused on patents
     
    Ah, you know of what you speak when you talk about engineers and communication skills ; )

    Thanks for the illustrative anecdotes. It's funny that in my younger days I thought of Big Law as a bastion of conservatism. Was it ever that way?

    Thanks for your kind words, but I must confess Dave Pinsen knows far more about patents than I do.

    It’s funny to see you recall that joke though: just this morning I had cause to mutter, “I’d forgotten how verbally retarded engineers are.” (I’d been asked to investigate a technology I’d never heard of which in fact doesn’t exist: the guy was just using a shorthand term he himself had made up to describe the technology –imagine if, wanting you to research electricity, I’d requested an overview of snarfblatts…).

    Anyhow, like many other lines of work, Big Law was conservative before the nation lost its mind sometimes around 1995 or 2000. It’s easy to forget, but Californians once elected Ronald Reagan to be their governor and their president. The speed of the U.S.A.’s destruction has truly been without historical precedent.

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    Big Law was conservative before the nation lost its mind sometimes around 1995 or 2000.
     
    And they're more conservative than ever today. They just discovered it was useful to pretend to be Left around that time, which was the time the institutions were completing their march through what used to be the actual Left.
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  263. Svigor says:

    No doubt due to the fact that those Confederate crackers who chose to dip their wicks into brown sugar were by and large not from the elite classes in the ante-bellum South. More overseers than plantation owners I would guess.

    And the (probably more relevant) fact that the African Blacks who had their shit together were capturing and selling African blacks, not being captured and sold.

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  264. @Buffalo Joe
    tri, My son made his money advising stock brokers and retired at age 40. I love to hear him talk to my grandchildren about the Market and money matters. They all have their own portfolios and bank cards. So they are learning the language of investing too.

    Who advises stock brokers? Aren’t they the ones doing the advising?

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    Opi, market analysts research trends and specialize in one category, in my son's case tech stocks. I remember before he specialized in tech stocks, he studied the retail market. A Big Box home improvement chain was acquiring a paint company which would make the paint company big. My son looked to see who would be providing equipment for their expansion and who would be providing the paint cans. Opportunities.
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  265. @Joe Walker
    Then why don't the Jews just move to Israel to get away from us evil gentiles? Jews are apparently afraid of gentiles but want to live in countries filled with them.

    Many, of not most, America Jews (including the half of my family that’s Jewish) realize that America is the best place for Jews to live in the whole world, including Israel.

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    And the question is , how are they of benefit to the European people who created America?
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  266. @PV van der Byl
    Private school pay is low compared with public school, especially, considering how much higher the cost of living in NYC is, compared with Buffalo and Bucks County, PA.

    PV, thank you for your reply but according to WiKi the median family income in Bucks County, Pa. is $90K and the MFI for NY County, the highest listed, is $75K. Bucks county is where people who work in NYC, but want as pastoral lifestyle live, Pennsylvania horse country. Train cars full of NYC commuters daily.

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    Buffalo Joe, I don't dispute the figures for income in Bucks County but New York City, and particularly Manhattan, is a far more expensive place to live.
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  267. @PV van der Byl
    I believe your experience is still very unusual.

    While I have met countless Gujarati Patels and Tamil Brahmins, I have yet to meet an "untouchable" working in the US. And I do not know any other Americans who have met an Indian here they knew was from an "unscheduled caste" in a professional capacity.

    What are his associations with other Indians in the US like?

    The Deputy Consul General arrested in New York for visa fraud and illegally ‘employing’ her slave was a Dalit.

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    Social Progress!
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  268. drahthaar says:
    @slumber_j

    It always was the creme de la creme of Manhattan private schools, I remember that.
     
    I don't think so: Brearley comes to mind for girls, as do Collegiate and St. Bernard's for boys. It may be the best coeducational school, although even that isn't clear. And the people associated with Dalton tend to be really wretched in my experience.

    Yes in all three cases, better schools, although St. Bernard’s stops in 9th.

    Dalton attracts limousine liberals, trendies, starfuckers, and arrivistes.

    The Dalton children and faculty are often creepily into the parents’ game.

    Wretched, yes. I thought it was just me.

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  269. rec1man says:
    @PV van der Byl
    I believe your experience is still very unusual.

    While I have met countless Gujarati Patels and Tamil Brahmins, I have yet to meet an "untouchable" working in the US. And I do not know any other Americans who have met an Indian here they knew was from an "unscheduled caste" in a professional capacity.

    What are his associations with other Indians in the US like?

    Backward caste is not dalit

    The heirarchy goes as follows

    Brahmin, Kshatriya ( noble ) , Vaishya ( merchant )
    these 3 castes have the sacred thread ( twice born castes ), these are just 15% of the population

    Next come Intermediate Caste / Upper Shudra, ( Kulak ) such as Patel, Jat Sikh etc
    Kayastha ( scribe ) etc

    Then Other Backward Caste

    Then Most Backward Caste,

    All these are touchable, non-Dalit, backward castes, 40% of the population

    Backward caste is not dalit,
    Dalit ( Pariah, Chandala ) is below Backward caste ( Shudra )

    Then you have Dalit castes, Untouchable,
    with top layer of leather worker ( Pariah, Chamar, Jadhav ) ,
    and bottom layer Maha Dalit, toilet cleaner

    In South India, just 5% are forward castes, 75% Backward caste, and 20% Dalit
    Half the IT crowd is backward caste

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    Thank you. Very interesting.
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  270. My son made his money advising stock brokers and retired at age 40.

    Did your son work for a mutual fund or annuity firm while advising brokers/investment advisers about what investments to sell to the broker/adviser’s retail customers?

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  271. @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of the Wollman Rink:
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/544475534227693568

    Well done sir! You are now one of the most deplorable of the deplorables!

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  272. @Buffalo Joe
    PV, thank you for your reply but according to WiKi the median family income in Bucks County, Pa. is $90K and the MFI for NY County, the highest listed, is $75K. Bucks county is where people who work in NYC, but want as pastoral lifestyle live, Pennsylvania horse country. Train cars full of NYC commuters daily.

    Buffalo Joe, I don’t dispute the figures for income in Bucks County but New York City, and particularly Manhattan, is a far more expensive place to live.

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  273. @Triumph104
    The only significant opponents to public charter schools are teachers' unions and the NAACP, which receives funding from teachers' unions.

    Success Academy, the largest charter school network in New York City, just hired LaMae de Jongh as Chief Scaling Officer. De Jongh's son attends Dalton and he is a competitive chess player. De Jongh married into a talented-tenth US Virgin Island family. Her brother-in-law was governor of the USVI.

    Ms. de Jongh has been recognized by Crain’s Business as one of New York City’s Top 40 under 40 rising business leaders, and she is a David Rockefeller Fellow. She is a Director of Carver Federal Savings Bank, and also serves as Co-Vice Chair of the Board of the Children’s Museum of Manhattan.  She currently is the President of the Dalton School’s Parent Association and a trustee of the Dalton Board of Trustees. She holds a B.A. from Princeton University, and resides with her husband, son, and mother in Manhattan.
     
    http://www.successacademies.org/press-releases/success-academy-hires-chief-scaling-officer-and-chief-people-officer-to-support-expansion-to-100-schools-to-provide-high-quality-education-to-50000-schoolchildren/#sthash.zY3Wgfvf.dpuf

    LaMae de Jongh's mother was a bank teller and her father owned a shoe repair shop. One day her father was talking to a white acquaintance about LaMae going to college. The acquaintance mentioned that he went to Princeton so she applied to the university and was accepted.

    Al Franken voted against Betsy DeVos as education secretary.

    Minnesota Sen. Al Franken’s two children attend Dalton School, described by the liberal-leaning Daily Beast as “one of New York’s most exclusive and rigorous private schools and boasts an impressive roster of celebrity alumni, including Anderson Cooper and Claire Danes.” Dalton’s application asks parents to list any prestigious titles they hold, including, “Princess, Senate and Ambassador,” according to TheDaily Beast.

    Franken describes Dalton as “a very high-powered, expensive New York City private high school.” How expensive? Dalton’s tuition is currently $44,640 a year.

    Franken’s daughter, Thomasin, is director of extended learning at DC Prep, which provides managerial assistance to “high-performing charter schools.”

    NEA gave Franken $10,000 in campaign funds.

    http://dailysignal.com/2017/01/09/senate-dems-set-to-scrutinize-trumps-ed-secretary-pick-attended-private-schools/

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  274. Truth says:
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    Hey Truth, Peter Singer says his calf and you aren't just friends, but connected at the deepest and most intimate level. Peter also says he is not jealous at all!

    And Peter mentioned some rather interesting video of your last visit. Peter signed off with well-wishing for you and a desire to have you visit when the calf is on holiday.
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  275. Jack D says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Mr. Mack, my granddaughter goes to a public school in Bucks County, Pa. Her second grade teacher makes $122K per year for a 180 day school year, and that is a matter of public record. My cousin's wife teaches Art in Buffalo Public Schools and she hauled in $84K last year before the new contract kicks in and in my school district, a burb of Buffalo we have Phys. Ed. teachers who make $105K. So, $115K at an elite prep school in NYC seems kind of pedestrian.

    Private school teacher pay is lower because they are essentially businesses that don’t have the power of taxation – if they raise their prices too high they will go out of business. The teachers are rarely if ever unionized.

    They can get away with this because private school teaching is an enjoyable job compared to public school. Your students will not punch you unconscious. They are highly motivated and intelligent young people who can be a joy to teach.

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    As the charter school hysteria prepares to accelerate, it would be instructive to see a side-by-side comparison of how public and private school teachers spend their day. How much time on which topics, how much administrivia, how many minutes of intersectionality, how long to complete roll call, courses, topics or uses of time that are not comparable, etc.
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  276. @Kylie
    "Remind me to thank the wife for the Christmas Shotgun gift, One can never have enough."

    You can thank her yourself by buying ammo and learning to reload and cast bullets if you don't already know how do it.

    It’ll be a while before I cast buck-shot.

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    Yes but what about your other firearms?
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  277. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    all seem like winks at the counter-Semitic crowd.
     
    They do if you are retarded.

    Anti-semites are a despised group, including by Trump of course, and look for any remote sign someone in power likes them. Likewise, professional anti-anti-Semites need anti-Semites to stay in business, so they also scour every one of Trump's statement for the slightest suggestion of anti-Semitic content.

    This is the entirety of the White House press release, which I highly doubt Trump ever saw much less wrote, much less conveyed secret subtext messages to Stormfront's NEET crew, but which both the anti's and the anti-anti's got so excited about:

    Statement by the President on International Holocaust Remembrance Day

    It is with a heavy heart and somber mind that we remember and honor the victims, survivors, heroes of the Holocaust. It is impossible to fully fathom the depravity and horror inflicted on innocent people by Nazi terror.

    Yet, we know that in the darkest hours of humanity, light shines the brightest.‎ As we remember those who died, we are deeply grateful to those who risked their lives to save the innocent.

    In the name of the perished, I pledge to do everything in my power throughout my Presidency, and my life, to ensure that the forces of evil never again defeat the powers of good. Together, we will make love and tolerance prevalent throughout the world.”
     

    Not exactly a Der Stürmer editorial, is it?

    It was a little strange that they talked about the Holocaust without mentioning Jews. That would be like talking about the American Revolution and not mentioning white men. No, wait…

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    I don't see what you are getting at here, Jack. We don't generally highlight "white men" when discussing the American Revolution.
    , @Steve Sailer
    That would be like a movie about going to the Moon and not talking about how, gee, we never would have got there without white men.
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  278. Jonathan Haidt talks about the moral foundations of liberals and conservatives, and has this idea that “Purity” is a value that is mostly held by conservatives. I think this is a counter example–Trump has intellectual cooties that would soil them to come in contact with. That is a purity taboo.

    I don’t see Purity in the set of virtues Wikipedia attributes to Prof. Haidt. Impure because of “intellectual cooties”? Maybe you should also accuse our new Prez of Gnosticism.

    Wikipedia sez :Moral foundations theory[edit]

    In 2004, Haidt began to extend the social intuitionist model to specify the most important categories of moral intuition.[21] The result was moral foundations theory, co-developed with Craig Joseph and Jesse Graham, and based in part on the writings of Richard Shweder. The theory posits that there are (at least) six innate moral foundations, upon which cultures develop their various moralities, just as there are five innate taste receptors on the tongue, which cultures have used to create many different cuisines. The six are care/harm, fairness (equality)/cheating, liberty/oppression, loyalty/betrayal, authority/subversion, and sanctity/degradation. The theory was developed to explain cross-cultural differences in morality, but Haidt and his collaborators at YourMorals.org[22] have found that the theory works well to explain political differences as well. Liberals (leftists) tend to endorse primarily the care and equality foundations, whereas conservatives (rightists) tend to endorse all six foundations more equally.[23]

    “Purity ” = “Sanctity/degradation”? There’s an old Christian tradition of reformed sinners, including lechers, who become saints.

    Trump is often likened to Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson’s critics accused Jackson of moral impurities, including bigamy and dueling.

    I suppose that many people nowadays think Jackson was a conservative because A.J. represented the flyover country of his time against big city factions, and likewise for Trump today. I leave it to Intelligent Dasein to define “conservatism” more accurately.

    I voted for Trump and I would have voted Jackson back then, but neither President fits easily into the conservative category. This is specially true if your idea of a conservative is a *National Review*-reading GOPer. Anyone who claims to be conservative but remains a NeverTrumper because of “conservative” principles — he or she is the one with intellectual cooties.

    … Parting remark: Was Oliver Cromwell and his followers Left or Right?

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    Was Oliver Cromwell and his followers Left or Right?
     
    Left, of course - even by the dishonest spectrum we have today. Cromwell had all the characteristics of the Left - narrow minded, intolerant, and vicious.

    Oh, and BTW, to Hell with National Review and the idiotic Never-Trumpism.
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  279. Coemgen says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Coemgen, Yes, teachers will always teach to the brightest students, especially in the STEM courses. Who wants to teach to a disinterested student. Math games, when your children are young, is the best way to keep them interested in math.

    Perhaps you are younger than I am. I remember when teachers tried to get blood-from-a-stone. We were competing with the Soviets. We needed all-hands-on-deck. No-one was going to fall-through-the-cracks without a struggle.

    Now we’ve got the “tyranny of low expectations.” One is either “elite” or nothing.

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    Coe, I am 71 in April, so am I younger than you? I remember when teachers beat it into you or out of you.
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  280. keuril says:
    @Triumph104
    I just watched the 2017 HBO documentary on Warren Buffett. While I knew that his father was a politician, I was actually surprised to find out that Buffett's father was a stock broker and investor. No wonder Buffett always talks about the birth lottery. His father had to deal with the depression. Buffett is also aware that he had the advantage of learning the language of investing as a child and having access to all of his father's reading material.

    Learning the “language of investing” is not hard. The hard thing is to conjure a bankroll at the same time that one’s randomly selected investment philosophy becomes profitable.

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    Buffett's investment philosophy wasn't randomly selected. He studied under Ben Graham at Columbia. Graham wrote the first edition of his magnum opus Security Analysis with David Dodd during the Great Depression. Back then, stocks were so unwanted that it was pretty common for them to trade below book value, so Graham's approach was essentially to buy a basket of cheap ones.

    And then Buffett met Charlie Munger. Munger convinced him to move to buying great companies and okay prices instead of buying okay companies at great prices. Which made sense as the market got more efficient and the range of publicly traded stocks Berkshire could buy got smaller as its assets swelled.

    But a lot of great companies never go public, and an advantage Buffett developed was to become the preferred buyer for large, family-owned businesses. Unlike private equity firms that would lever or chop the businesses up, Buffett would exchange shares of Berkshire for the lion's share of the family business, and keep the current management in place.
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  281. Amasius says:
    @The True and Original David
    A Jewish housewife who wrote sci-fi and romance novels stated that anyone can raise his IQ 50 points by "mental effort." (It's in Ayn Rand Answers.)

    If you have a high IQ to start with, you can score higher by training yourself in IQ-type puzzle solving. Rick Rosner raised his IQ from 170 to 192 for instance. 50 points does sound like a stretch, I agree.

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    I was using IQ as a shorthand for Rushton's g, as I'm sure Rosenbaum was doing unconsciously. The only standard deviation size movement in that is downward- such as occurs when one is hit in the keppe with a 30" inch wrench.

    But if Rosner increased his IQ test score 11.45% by memorizing the solutions to psychometric puzzles, then there is no good reason why others can't do the same. For example, someone with IQ 85 should be able to pump his score to IQ 99.

    I am happy to learn that the black/white gap is bridgeable in principle. What's missing is an ETA.
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  282. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @gcochran
    Two of mine are in physics grad school, one a junior majoring in physics. Anyone can do it.

    joke’s on you: wasting my 20s on a physics Ph.D was the biggest mistake of my life

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  283. @EriK
    My parents hated math and never helped me with any math homework. But, I never felt handicapped by that and in fact like maths to this day.

    Of course, I'm adopted.

    EriK, Doesn’t matter if your parents hated math, as long as they loved you. Big key to all success.

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    I'd say not being loved by your parents leads to great misery. But there are many successful men who achieved all they did to please their dad or get back at their dad for not loving them. (And many of them are still miserable...)
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  284. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    The Deputy Consul General arrested in New York for visa fraud and illegally 'employing' her slave was a Dalit.

    Social Progress!

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  285. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Merkel thinks she’s like Cool Hand Luke eating 5o eggs. Germany can take in 50 gazillion migrants, she thinks.

    But in her earlier incarnation, she was a python that swallowed a porcupine.

    Looks like Merkel swallowed a porcupine again.

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  286. snorlax says:
    @ben tillman

    Your use of the phrase “as well”, which is no doubt unintentional, gives in to the subtly posited recent narrative that the Holocaust was singularly a Jewish experience—because Jews were specifically targeted, while other groups were merely swept into it.
     
    It was a singularly Jewish experience. It was their term for their experience. No one (aside from Gypsies) was targeted in a way remotely similar to how the Jews were targeted.

    In fact, it seems that just this past week it has come out that Simon Wiesenthal in the 1970's, for PR purposes, fabricated the claim that five million non-Jews had died in "The Holocaust". Yehuda Bauer, in fact, called him on his dishonesty, and Wiesenthal said that sometimes you have to do stuff like that.

    http://www.jta.org/2017/01/31/news-opinion/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians

    “Five million non-Jews died in the Holocaust.”

    It’s a statement that shows up regularly in declarations about the Nazi era. . . .

    The “5 million” has driven Holocaust historians to distraction ever since Wiesenthal started to peddle it in the 1970s. Wiesenthal told the Washington Post in 1979, “I have sought with Jewish leaders not to talk about 6 million Jewish dead, but rather about 11 million civilians dead, including 6 million Jews.”

    Yehuda Bauer, an Israeli Holocaust scholar who chairs the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, said he warned his friend Wiesenthal, who died in 2005, about spreading the false notion that the Holocaust claimed 11 million victims – 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews.

    “I said to him, ‘Simon, you are telling a lie,’” Bauer recalled in an interview Tuesday. “He said, ‘Sometimes you need to do that to get the results for things you think are essential.’”

    Bauer and other historians who knew Wiesenthal said the Nazi hunter told them that he chose the 5 million number carefully: He wanted a number large enough to attract the attention of non-Jews who might not otherwise care about Jewish suffering, but not larger than the actual number of Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust, 6 million.
     

    There’s the Holocaust and then the entire phenomenon of civilian and POW deaths in Nazi-occupied territory, of which the former is a minority subset of the latter. It’s basically entirely arbitrary what number of non-Jewish deaths get assigned to “the Holocaust.”

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    The numbers at Auschwitz are illustrative:

    Jews (1,095,000 deported to Auschwitz, of whom 960,000 died); Poles (147,000 deported, of whom 74,000 died); Roma (23,000 deported, of whom 21,000 died); Soviet prisoners of war (15,000 deported and died); and other nationalities (25,000 deported, of whom 12,000 died).

    The numbers at the extermination camps (Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka,etc.) would have been even more skewed toward Jews.

    The Nazis killed a lot of people but only the Jews were targeted in an organized plan for immediate and total extermination. The Wannsee Conference concerned Jews and only Jews.
    , @Jack Hanson
    I'm pretty sure if the Axis had won we would be hearing about death camps for German and Japanese citizens.
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  287. snorlax says:
    @bored identity
    OT:

    Ambassador Stephen Schwartz, an Obama appointee, is a perfect primer for "How Do I Keep My Frequent Flyer Program Perks?" desperation among Shallow State Department stoogery:

    https://twitter.com/US2SOMALIA/status/832682011814879232/photo/1

    Meanwhile somewhere in proverbial Minnesota, a nice white lady Katrina Jørgensen is very (WTF level) upset that her daughter does not have a constitutional right to live in Rotherham...yet :

    https://twitter.com/Veribatim/status/833068880146919424


    Ever had a chance to play The Risk-Refugee Invasion Edition, during church service, while simultaneously virtue signaling your utter stupidity?

    That's exactly what Mrs. Jørgensen's Python Flying Church has to offer tonight:

    https://twitter.com/Veribatim/status/833475569840951296

    Greater Somalia? Bring back Siad Barre?

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  288. snorlax says:
    @Shine a Light
    The alt-right is not hostile to Jews per se. They are hostile to Jewish hypocrisy. Richard Spencer even speaks of "white Zionism". Kevin MacDonald advises that white must take up Jewish strategies to prosper. The alt-right wants to be the "New Jews".

    So this means is the alt-right wants is the have same privileges that Jews have. They want to have an ethno-state, tribalism, perpetual victimhood. The alt-right wants an ethno-state that has the right to build a wall, deport illegal infiltrators, and ensure a permanent majority.

    The alt-right wants to be able to call themselves the Chosen People without anyone raising an eyebrow.

    What drives the alt-right absolutely wild with rage is seeing a Jewish commentator preaching one set of values for Jews and a completely different set for Gentiles.

    Liberal Jews don’t call themselves the “Chosen People” or support Netanyahu or his border policies.

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    What border policies do liberal Jews support?
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    Somalis are the gift that keeps on giving.

    Montreal just voted to become a sanctuary city.

    Ottawa is mulling over the idea but I suspect it will do the same. Typical leftoid grandstanding and to hell with what the people want. One wonders why these great ideas come about halfway through a mandate instead of during the election....
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  290. snorlax says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    The generous explanation is that Magda Goebbels was probably terrified of her children being abused and raped by Russian soldiers, especially the older girls.

    IIRC the statements she made were that she couldn’t bear the thought of her children 1) being taught to hate her, and 2) growing up in a world without National Socialism.

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