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  1. Dmitry says:

    The important thing for Trump is the wall. It’s a construction project, afterall.

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    • Replies: @Thomas
    Even the White House is now backing off the wall in today's press conference. Today it's "border security." In a week or so, it'll be drones and a "virtual wall" and suchlike.

    And of course, a few adverse court decisions and budget cuts later, it will be nothing. Another amnesty given up for free.
    , @AnotherDad

    The important thing for Trump is the wall. It’s a construction project, afterall.
     
    The important things i see are:

    1) Trump not folding/cucking.
    If he's going to give on DACA he needs to get *everything*--the Wall, mandatory E-verify, end of diversity lottery, end of refugee racket, end of birthright citizenship, clampdown on H-1B, end/constrict chain migration, reduced numbers. Since the Democrats are committed to legalize DACA and making DACA a pout-pout emotive pig pile for the girls, Trump needs to do some judo and use that against them. Hold them over the fire.

    2) Trump *hammering* home the point that the Democrats/left do not want border security.
    The Democrats/left ideologically believe in open borders, believe anyone should be allowed to come here. They do not believe Americans (nor any white people) have a right to keep people out of their nations. The Democrats want illegals to continue to stream in, followed by repeated amnesties. Because a) they are clients for the super-state and b) they reduce the voting power of deplorables to resist the super-state.

    Trump must shred the fiction that there's any good-faith here, and it's just an argument about policy and budget. Trump must get ordinary Americans to understand that the Democxrats aren't a "loyal opposition" but simply do not want border security, because they are a treason party bent on replacing Americans with foreigners.
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  2. fish says:

    The unusually public meeting laid bare a back-and-forth between the parties more typically confined to closed-door negotiations. At one point, California Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a Democrat, asked Trump if he would support a “clean” DACA bill now with a commitment to pursue a comprehensive immigration overhaul later.

    Lets all watch the president get snookered……

    After all…..!

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/08/leaked-memo-dreamers-are-critical-to-dems-future-electoral-success/

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  3. Send them all home now.

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    • Agree: Bubba, Kylie, NickG
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  4. Trump’s playing 4D chess. You eyores are just too dumb to understand.

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Point on the doll where the mean Chad touched you.
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  5. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This is off topic but it looks like the leftist mob is now going after Steven Pinker after he said that the alt-right says truths you’re not allowed to speak.

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  6. IHTG says:

    This already happened in September once (in fact it was worse then) and you saw how that turned out. Blackpillers relax.

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    That said, do call your Congressmen and/or the White House anyway. It can't hurt!
    , @Barnard
    I don't know what part of that is supposed to reassuring, you could have also included Jeb's tweet that he liked it. The reason people are so concerned about any compromise on immigration is that we have been lied to about border security and enforcing the law for decades. To take Gamboa's tweet, the wall needs to be built, chain migration and the visa lottery ended and a policy of quick removal for visa overstays needs to be implemented just as a show of good faith towards the American people.

    It is plainly obviously that nearly every Democrat and many Republicans want a relaxed immigration policy. The only way we will have an American citizens first immigration policy is if it forced on them. The mostly likely result from this is that we maybe get an end to the visa lottery, some restriction on chain migration, the wall never gets funded and amnesty for everyone. That's an awful deal given what the American people want.
    , @Opinionator
    It's different this time.

    Although it could still go our way. But steeper odds now, different circumstances.

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  7. rogue-one says:

    Trump got elected on the immigration. If he gives up on DACA his base will abandon him.

    He will go down in history as worst president ever.

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    • Replies: @Sid
    Yes, it's all about immigration. If we had wanted a generic Republican, there were other choices who would have been better administrators.
    , @Travis
    he is still better than George W. Bush and Obama...but he will lose his base if the wall is not fully funded and being built over the next 6 months.
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  8. Thomas says:

    Not good right now. The hot take now is that this meeting was supposed to be a rebuttal to “Fire and Fury” and the “Trump is mentally incompetent” meme going around, showing that he can actually run a meeting and “get something done.” Perhaps it doesn’t matter to him if what he “gets done” means throwing his agenda, the one that got him elected and is the one thing his base is still invested in him over, just so long he has something to hit back with at the last slight to him. But if today’s meeting was as bad as it looks, it winds up confirming the book’s claim that the last person to talk to him has his ear and he basically has no attention span. It sounds like he’s just going to go along with whatever the GOPe establishment and Democrats put in front of him.

    The lesson of the last decade since the push late in Bush’s term for amnesty is that the most dangerous time for it is probably under a Republican President, given how that might neutralize opposition. Trump saying today that he’ll “take the heat” for “comprehensive immigration reform” demonstrates the point. Sad irony if the first President to run so strongly against amnesty turns out to be the only one who could deliver it.

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    • Replies: @e
    No, it was meant to show that Trump would actually welcome ideas from the Dems, something Obama didn't welcome from the Gop.
    When Feinstein finally spoke up and offered the same ole, same ole,"What we really need is comprehensive immigration reform," Trump allowed the public to see the Dems haven't moved one iota. All this time to work to compromise, and they are saying the same thing that helped sick Hillary.

    "Comprehensive" to Americans means amnesty, means a bill with all kinds of add-ons that spend the public's money, and shows the Dems care much more about people from other countries than they do the people who put them in office.
    , @Opinionator
    One of Trump's most inexplicable comments was his offer to "take the heat" for passage of "comprehensive immigration reform."

    So he is boasting that he will sell out his supporters?

    Also odd was his apparent offer to sign any bill put in front of him.

    Can someone explain how those statements help him?

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  9. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Trump announces his Legislation of Love for dreamers same day as Bannon gets canned at Breitbart.

    Viva Neoconservatism!

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  10. Didn’t at all like Trump’s apparent deference to the Congressmen in the room, or his statement that he’ll “take the heat” for the outcome.

    That could end very badly.

    On the other hand, it does seem as if what he may be doing is to build up his own image as a benevolent, bipartisan guy who just wants to see a problem solved. When and if the negotiations veer off the course he wants, he can declare his shock, shock that people can’t compromise, blaming the participants.

    Since the DACA thing looked like it might be an impasse otherwise, the latter course wouldn’t be a bad one. What Trump needs most of all is a convincing case that it is his opponents who are the obstructionists. Maybe today’s theater would do the trick.

    Anyway, we’ll see where it goes. The proof will be in the pudding.

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    I think its pretty obvious that Trump is setting up a gambit where either the Dems cave and give him everything he wants for 800k illegals or they shut down the government symbolically for two days before agreeing to fund it.

    Then Trump gets to be the benevolent deal maker who was trying to find a win for both sides but couldn't because the Democrats didn't care enough.

    Heads I win tails you lose.

    The Dems have literally staked out their position as "we want everything and we will maybe discuss your wants later". They think they're dealing with Jeb!

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  11. Gonna bookmark this thread so I have a handy reference when, after the DACA deadline comes and goes and the wall goes up, I can mock the blackpilled eeyores when they make their sweeping wrong predictions.

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    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    What will you do if they're right? I hope you are.
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  12. neutral says:

    If this does not make people realize what a fraud Trump is, then what will??? Foreign policy is that of Jeb and Rubio, and domestic policy is also that of Jeb and Rubio as well (tax cuts, amnesty, pandering to democrats, snubbing the people who vote for him).

    At least with a Hillary you get the same but not with sting of betrayal like Trump does.

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    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    "If this does not make people realize what a fraud Trump is, then what will???" All that from a single meeting / presser?... whatever

    "At least with a Hillary you get the same but not with sting of betrayal like Trump does." so Hillary and Trump are about the same?... whatever
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  13. Bubba says:

    This is the worst thing Trump can do and it is a death sentence for the Republican Party if he signs an amnesty bill. He’ll immediately lose his base and get grilled far worse than GHB when he reneged on “Read my lips, no new taxes.”

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yup. I hear "read my lips" which must be on repeat in the heads of Schumer's gang trying to finesse that result. Should Trump amnesty the middle-aged gray-haired collegiate illegals who are pillars of their communities, blah blah, the air goes out of any organized opposition to globo-prog-kleptocrat Social Democrat hegemony in the U.S. at least.

    When Poppy Bush went along with the George Mitchell/Tom Foley tax revenue increases it didn't even net strange new respect, instead turning him politically radioactive for all intents and purposes which is usually underlooked due to the subsequent midterm wave. I think Bush Jr. was acutely conscious Dad stepped in it with that signature event but he didn't understand the dynamic, thus ironically surpassing him in catastrophe not by compromising but by catastrophically swinging for the fences on Wilsonian-Trotskyist wars & not leaving children behind. For a finely groomed clan of thoroughbred elite WASPs of the type Sailer always valorizes that family sure seems gullible and strategy-proof (or by Occam, might just be liberals).
    http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/flashback-praise-george-hw-bush-tax-increase

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  14. You guys are on the wrong side of history.

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    • Replies: @Greasy William
    And exactly where is Trump if he loses a third of his support? His most vocal and committed third at that. And how many more will he lose when all the details come out?

    Keep in mind that Trump can't even afford to lose 5% of his support, let alone 30.

    Daniel Dale is one of the biggest D bags in the pro immigrant movement, which is saying a lot.
    , @Lucas McCrudy
    Historians will one day list the failure of the US to effectively close its border to Latin America's peasant class and take the steps needed to remove most of its illegal population (look to Israel for an example!) as a key factor in its demise.
    You're posting shows an obvious ignorance about human biodiversity and the low human capital of most illegals. The bulk of these "dreamers" are Mestizos and Mesoamerican Indians- Mestizos and Amerindians have consistently higher rates of poverty, illegitimacy, welfare use and crime, extending across multiple generations, than either Jews, Asians or whites (including those Hispanics of Spanish or other Euro descent). Due to our gov't's foolish immigration policies this demographic is exploding in size, something that apparently doesn't bother you in the least.
    So only a lunatic would consider turning the richest and most technologically advanced country in human history into a Third World hellhole due to immigration policies that could easily be changed to be on the "right side of history."
    , @pyrrhus
    A baldfaced lie...I don't know a single Trump voter (and I know dozens) who supports amnesty in any form...You idiots have been cooking polls since FDR, but it won't work.
    , @Yak-15
    Yes, in the same sense the Romans were on the wrong side of history when they incorporated the various Germanic and Frankic barbarians into their realm.
    , @ic1000
    > You guys are on the wrong side of history.

    It's hard to communicate nuance on the internet. Are you saying that with glee, regret, disdain, sorrow, or delight?

    A glance at America's ruling elites shows the character of your "right side". The public virtues are at historic lows, and still sinking.
    , @J.Ross
    Everything about that tweet -- the overreliance on polls, the "with us" litmus test logic, the simplification of the position of a proven master negotiator -- shows "not one step [forward]" since the election by the Clintoniots.
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  15. @candid_observer
    Didn't at all like Trump's apparent deference to the Congressmen in the room, or his statement that he'll "take the heat" for the outcome.

    That could end very badly.

    On the other hand, it does seem as if what he may be doing is to build up his own image as a benevolent, bipartisan guy who just wants to see a problem solved. When and if the negotiations veer off the course he wants, he can declare his shock, shock that people can't compromise, blaming the participants.

    Since the DACA thing looked like it might be an impasse otherwise, the latter course wouldn't be a bad one. What Trump needs most of all is a convincing case that it is his opponents who are the obstructionists. Maybe today's theater would do the trick.

    Anyway, we'll see where it goes. The proof will be in the pudding.

    I think its pretty obvious that Trump is setting up a gambit where either the Dems cave and give him everything he wants for 800k illegals or they shut down the government symbolically for two days before agreeing to fund it.

    Then Trump gets to be the benevolent deal maker who was trying to find a win for both sides but couldn’t because the Democrats didn’t care enough.

    Heads I win tails you lose.

    The Dems have literally staked out their position as “we want everything and we will maybe discuss your wants later”. They think they’re dealing with Jeb!

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    the Dems cave and give him everything he wants for 800k illegal
     
    We’re talking 800k highly nubile and almost exclusively POC future voters. Democrats would be stupid not to.
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  16. Thomas says:
    @Dmitry
    The important thing for Trump is the wall. It's a construction project, afterall.

    Even the White House is now backing off the wall in today’s press conference. Today it’s “border security.” In a week or so, it’ll be drones and a “virtual wall” and suchlike.

    And of course, a few adverse court decisions and budget cuts later, it will be nothing. Another amnesty given up for free.

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    • Replies: @e
    You should be used to Trump's language "modifications" by now. Don't freak out.
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  17. IHTG says:
    @IHTG
    This already happened in September once (in fact it was worse then) and you saw how that turned out. Blackpillers relax.

    https://twitter.com/jawillick/status/950854284651966469
    https://twitter.com/SuzGamboa/status/950852271956410368

    That said, do call your Congressmen and/or the White House anyway. It can’t hurt!

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  18. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Funny how the Wolff book is a complete fabrication except for anything concerning Steve Bannon …at which point the book mysteriously shifts to cold hard truth.

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  19. e says:
    @Thomas
    Not good right now. The hot take now is that this meeting was supposed to be a rebuttal to "Fire and Fury" and the "Trump is mentally incompetent" meme going around, showing that he can actually run a meeting and "get something done." Perhaps it doesn't matter to him if what he "gets done" means throwing his agenda, the one that got him elected and is the one thing his base is still invested in him over, just so long he has something to hit back with at the last slight to him. But if today's meeting was as bad as it looks, it winds up confirming the book's claim that the last person to talk to him has his ear and he basically has no attention span. It sounds like he's just going to go along with whatever the GOPe establishment and Democrats put in front of him.

    The lesson of the last decade since the push late in Bush's term for amnesty is that the most dangerous time for it is probably under a Republican President, given how that might neutralize opposition. Trump saying today that he'll "take the heat" for "comprehensive immigration reform" demonstrates the point. Sad irony if the first President to run so strongly against amnesty turns out to be the only one who could deliver it.

    No, it was meant to show that Trump would actually welcome ideas from the Dems, something Obama didn’t welcome from the Gop.
    When Feinstein finally spoke up and offered the same ole, same ole,”What we really need is comprehensive immigration reform,” Trump allowed the public to see the Dems haven’t moved one iota. All this time to work to compromise, and they are saying the same thing that helped sick Hillary.

    “Comprehensive” to Americans means amnesty, means a bill with all kinds of add-ons that spend the public’s money, and shows the Dems care much more about people from other countries than they do the people who put them in office.

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    • Replies: @IHTG
    Not enough people have commented on Trump's mention of the Israeli border fence when he argued with the Dem Congressman who said a wall would be ineffective. Savage moment.
    , @e
    sick= sink
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  20. e says:
    @Thomas
    Even the White House is now backing off the wall in today's press conference. Today it's "border security." In a week or so, it'll be drones and a "virtual wall" and suchlike.

    And of course, a few adverse court decisions and budget cuts later, it will be nothing. Another amnesty given up for free.

    You should be used to Trump’s language “modifications” by now. Don’t freak out.

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    • Replies: @Thomas
    Consequences of freaking out at the slightest sense of cucking even if there's nothing to worry about are small, compared to staying stumm if it actually happens. If anything else, even if Trump is cannily outmaneuvering the other side (jury's still out on that and other pieces of 4D chess, IMHO), it doesn't hurt him to have a vociferous public reaction to point to. "Sorry Chuck and Nancy, I wanted to be nice, but I got to follow the public on this." We're only as far as Trump because we tore to pieces amnesty attempts under two previous Presidents.
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  21. Well, boomers, you did it.

    One generation born to peace and wealth in the greatest nation in human history destroys that nation in their own lifetime. One generation to flush their ancestors and their children down the toilet at the same time, after robbing both.

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    Well, boomers, you did it.
    One generation born to peace and wealth in the greatest nation in human history destroys that nation in their own lifetime. One generation to flush their ancestors and their children down the toilet at the same time, after robbing both.
     
    Don't disagree we're a shitty generation, but ...

    (((Emanuel Cellar))) and Phillip Hart weren't boomers.
    Lyndon Johnson wasn't a boomer.
    Alan Simpson and Romano Mazzolli aren't boomers.
    Ronald Reagan wasn't a boomer.
    George H.W. Bush isn't a boomer.
    John McCain isn't a boomer.

    There are a lot of criminals and screw-ups involved in this mess who aren't boomers. Most of the damage was set in motion by "Greatest Generation" and "Silent Generation" politicians, "intellectuals", propagandists and good-thinkers who often (the goyim) didn't really understand the nature of the disaster they were setting loose.

    In contrast
    Peter Brimelow is a boomer.
    Mark Krikorian is a boomer.
    Jared Taylor is a boomer.
    Steve Sailer is a boomer.
    John Derbyshire ... ok, he's actually a war baby on the cusp.
    Ann Coulter is a boomer.
    (((Mickey Kaus))) is a boomer.
    Steve Bannon (whatever the heck he is) is a boomer.
    Jeff Sessions is a boomer.
    Donald Trump is a boomer.

    There are traitors, criminals and screw-ups in all these generations. And a few heroes as well.

    , @Yak-15
    The majority simply had and have no idea what they were/are doing. Regardless, any progress their parents generation made towards a completely post-scarcity civilization has been eradicated.
    , @MBlanc46
    I’m an early Boomer. I was 19 when the 1965 immigration bill was passed. I wasn’t even eligible to vote. My generation have contributed greatly to the mess, but many of the worst deeds were done before we reached adulthood.
    , @Alden
    Ok, the oldest boomers were 10 when Brown vs Topeka integrates the schools
    They were 19 1965 immigration act passed, 22 when affirmation action passed 25 when Griggs vs Duke Power decreed that race, not qualifications was the only factor in hiring.

    It was a long march that began when WW1 ended and certain immigrants became judges attorneys, college teachers and journalists
    , @ben tillman

    One generation born to peace and wealth in the greatest nation in human history destroys that nation in their own lifetime. One generation to flush their ancestors and their children down the toilet at the same time, after robbing both.
     
    Divide and conquer. Thanks for fomenting intergenerational hostility. It's sure to help.
    , @Anonymous
    That's unfair. They're a product of their upbringing. Their parents are to blame, or rather whoever planted the idea in their heads that disciplining children was a kind of 'fascism'.
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  22. Stephen Miller convinced us all to vote for the wrong candidate.

    Ted Cruz would have implemented an America First immigration policy, Rand Paul would have implemented an America First foreign policy, and they would have done so with a modicum of dignity.

    Trump is the worst of both worlds. He makes nationalism look bad with his buffoonery while implementing the globalist agenda.

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    80% of Congress hates Ted Cruz for either personal reasons, professional reasons or some combination of the two. I don't think getting any agenda implemented would have been easy for him. He also never could have been elected, especially with Carly Fiorina as his running mate. His globalist donors wouldn't have let him sign an American First immigration policy either. Nice try though.
    , @e
    Ted Cruz, liar and backstabber
    Rand Paul, prig
    , @Parsifal
    LOL! No they wouldn't, you are delusional. First of all, neither would have won. Second, even if they did win none of them would have been able to withstand the onslaught from all sides Trump is facing.
    , @MEH 0910
    Cruz or Paul would have lost. Only Trump could beat Hillary.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Lmao in what world do either of those two breach the Blue Wall and win Wisconsin ffs?

    These open threads are like bug zappers for the CTR crowd who was so popular around here during the election.
    , @nebulafox
    Ted Cruz cares about two things: his nutty Dominionist fantasies (something that truly, profoundly creeps me out like little else does), and the Job Creators. He probably was created in some secret DNC lab as the walking, talking epitome of all that people despise about the Republican Party these days. So, no, not buying that. Before the hardening of partisan lines in the mid-to-late 90s, he would have been a good bet for a Goldwatwer/McGovern style debacle.

    That said...

    >Trump is the worst of both worlds. He makes nationalism look bad with his buffoonery while implementing the globalist agenda.

    Absolutely agreed. I have mixed feelings about her, but I personally think Le Pen would have done a lot better in France had Trump never happened, for one thing. (She still did well enough to finally wake up Paris, given Macron's recent rightward tack, though, so maybe that's enough.) Trump and his "word salad" style of speech just sounds so fundamentally stupid when literally translated into another language.

    , @Corn
    “Ted Cruz would have implemented an America First immigration policy”

    Whatever disagreements one has with Trump, I have no reason to believe this is true.
    , @Ron Mexico
    "Ted Cruz would have implemented an America First immigration policy, Rand Paul would have implemented an America First foreign policy, and they would have done so with a modicum of dignity."

    John Gruskos, what color are the skies in your world?
    , @attilathehen
    Here is a youtube of Rand Paul running away from Dreamers. Steve King held his ground.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U17y5O-3CxI

    Ted Cruz welcomed "unaccompanied minors" from Central America (a/k/a MS13 gangbangers) with Glen Beck.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/07/18/mike-lee-sends-regrets-ted-cruz-signs-up-for-glenn-beck-soccer-balls-teddy-bears/
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  23. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Trump’s playing 4D chess. You eyores are just too dumb to understand.

    This is what Cernovich tried to tell himself for most of 2017.

    But all the Nationalist/Populist advisors were surgically removed from the Whitehouse and McMaster, Powell, Cohn, Kushner run the show.

    We’re still in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and we’re arming Saudi to the teeth for the big new war with Iran.

    It’s INVADE THE WORLD INVITE THE WORLD. Same as the old boss.

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  24. Barnard says:
    @IHTG
    This already happened in September once (in fact it was worse then) and you saw how that turned out. Blackpillers relax.

    https://twitter.com/jawillick/status/950854284651966469
    https://twitter.com/SuzGamboa/status/950852271956410368

    I don’t know what part of that is supposed to reassuring, you could have also included Jeb’s tweet that he liked it. The reason people are so concerned about any compromise on immigration is that we have been lied to about border security and enforcing the law for decades. To take Gamboa’s tweet, the wall needs to be built, chain migration and the visa lottery ended and a policy of quick removal for visa overstays needs to be implemented just as a show of good faith towards the American people.

    It is plainly obviously that nearly every Democrat and many Republicans want a relaxed immigration policy. The only way we will have an American citizens first immigration policy is if it forced on them. The mostly likely result from this is that we maybe get an end to the visa lottery, some restriction on chain migration, the wall never gets funded and amnesty for everyone. That’s an awful deal given what the American people want.

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  25. Amnesty for DACAs is democide of the West’s founding peoples. If Trump signs on to anything resembling amnesty, he has betrayed his base, the country and historical inheritance. He will be complicit in democide. He has to make a choice between sentiments of his family members (NY social liberals), and the cause of Western civilization.

    Once he became President, his sentiments toward his family and friends HAS TO BE SUBORDINATED to the interests of his country, its founding peoples, and their civilization/culture. If he cannot do this, then he should resign or he is without honor .

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  26. IHTG says:
    @e
    No, it was meant to show that Trump would actually welcome ideas from the Dems, something Obama didn't welcome from the Gop.
    When Feinstein finally spoke up and offered the same ole, same ole,"What we really need is comprehensive immigration reform," Trump allowed the public to see the Dems haven't moved one iota. All this time to work to compromise, and they are saying the same thing that helped sick Hillary.

    "Comprehensive" to Americans means amnesty, means a bill with all kinds of add-ons that spend the public's money, and shows the Dems care much more about people from other countries than they do the people who put them in office.

    Not enough people have commented on Trump’s mention of the Israeli border fence when he argued with the Dem Congressman who said a wall would be ineffective. Savage moment.

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    To repeat my earlier comment. The Sinai border 'hi-tech smart fence' cost $470 million to construct and it was 250 kilometers. It managed to stop the illegal immigration trade from the Sinai. The government claims that zero illegal immigrants crossed the border in 2017 (before the fence was built, thousands were crossing every month).

    The US-Mexico border is 3000 kilometers long. So extrapolating from the Sinai border fence example, it would cost $5.6 billion to build the same style of 'hi-tech smart fence' across the length of the US-Mexico border - which is not a huge expenditure in proportion to US federal budgets.

    The proviso to my above comments, is that this type of fence has to be patrolled to be effective (on the Sinai, it is fitted with motion sensors and command and control rooms, which alert the soldiers patrolling it).

    In addition, the fence on the Sinai is not particularly impressive to look at. For Trump to get truly excited by, and attached to, the wall project - the designs presented to him will have to be more impressive looking (with an associated increase in cost).

    , @Jack Hanson
    Cause then they couldn't sit here and moan about how doomed they are.

    A lot of people letting themselves be gaslit on the Smartest Blog on the Internet.
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  27. Nico says:
    @Jack Hanson
    I think its pretty obvious that Trump is setting up a gambit where either the Dems cave and give him everything he wants for 800k illegals or they shut down the government symbolically for two days before agreeing to fund it.

    Then Trump gets to be the benevolent deal maker who was trying to find a win for both sides but couldn't because the Democrats didn't care enough.

    Heads I win tails you lose.

    The Dems have literally staked out their position as "we want everything and we will maybe discuss your wants later". They think they're dealing with Jeb!

    the Dems cave and give him everything he wants for 800k illegal

    We’re talking 800k highly nubile and almost exclusively POC future voters. Democrats would be stupid not to.

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    800k voters who are gonna run up the score in Cali and NY in exchange for the wall, an end to chain migration, and the diversity visa? You have an issue with that?

    This is why he's President and you comment on a niche blog.
    , @oddsbodkins
    Would be worth it if we got lasting employment enforcement. But we won't.
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  28. Whiskey says: • Website

    Lesson it’s never ok to be White. Also White men with daughters always cuck out.

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    As a white man with 2 daughters I don’t get where your coming from? If anything, I’m more firm on immigration control (and the Wall) than I was before I had daughters.
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  29. e says:
    @e
    No, it was meant to show that Trump would actually welcome ideas from the Dems, something Obama didn't welcome from the Gop.
    When Feinstein finally spoke up and offered the same ole, same ole,"What we really need is comprehensive immigration reform," Trump allowed the public to see the Dems haven't moved one iota. All this time to work to compromise, and they are saying the same thing that helped sick Hillary.

    "Comprehensive" to Americans means amnesty, means a bill with all kinds of add-ons that spend the public's money, and shows the Dems care much more about people from other countries than they do the people who put them in office.

    sick= sink

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  30. Barnard says:
    @John Gruskos
    Stephen Miller convinced us all to vote for the wrong candidate.

    Ted Cruz would have implemented an America First immigration policy, Rand Paul would have implemented an America First foreign policy, and they would have done so with a modicum of dignity.

    Trump is the worst of both worlds. He makes nationalism look bad with his buffoonery while implementing the globalist agenda.

    80% of Congress hates Ted Cruz for either personal reasons, professional reasons or some combination of the two. I don’t think getting any agenda implemented would have been easy for him. He also never could have been elected, especially with Carly Fiorina as his running mate. His globalist donors wouldn’t have let him sign an American First immigration policy either. Nice try though.

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  31. @Classical Liberal
    https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/950803601508700161

    You guys are on the wrong side of history.

    And exactly where is Trump if he loses a third of his support? His most vocal and committed third at that. And how many more will he lose when all the details come out?

    Keep in mind that Trump can’t even afford to lose 5% of his support, let alone 30.

    Daniel Dale is one of the biggest D bags in the pro immigrant movement, which is saying a lot.

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  32. e says:
    @John Gruskos
    Stephen Miller convinced us all to vote for the wrong candidate.

    Ted Cruz would have implemented an America First immigration policy, Rand Paul would have implemented an America First foreign policy, and they would have done so with a modicum of dignity.

    Trump is the worst of both worlds. He makes nationalism look bad with his buffoonery while implementing the globalist agenda.

    Ted Cruz, liar and backstabber
    Rand Paul, prig

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    Agree re Cruz. His convention speech will be shown for many years. A total sellout.

    But why is Paul a prig?
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  33. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Wall might be built but it will be in segments. The legal/illegal flow will not be stopped.

    It was decided a long time ago that the USA would be melted into the North American Union.

    Nullification of MAGA and BREXIT is well underway. There’s an article about it. You can search it but it just states the obvious. There’s a worldwide head fake towards nationalism going on. But it’s just a head fake.

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  34. Could Ted Cruz have won a national election though? I have my doubts he could have won the rust belt states Trump won and that’s the only electoral path to victory Republicans have at this point.

    But,man,Trump has turned out a lot worse than I expected. I would not have taken heat for supporting him from friends/family if I knew this was the result.

    Trump seems to be a nationalist at heart but he ultimately wants to be loved more than anything else, so the media/elite globalism wins out.

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    He likes to be praised. He doesn't like thinking deeply about policy. That's becoming the reality of the situation.
    , @Redman
    This must win the thread for dumbest comment. Or maybe for the entire year of threads.

    Trump showed more balls than any politician in my lifetime. Full stop. His debate performance in South Carolina with all of the cucks and neocons hissing him was classic.

    “The Iraq War was based on a big ...f$@king (I mean fat) lie.” Wanting to be loved in a natural human emotion (and often weakness). That ain’t Trump’s flaw.
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  35. We want to love Trump, but Trump must make himself lovable. Trump is making himself unlovable with his talk of giving amnesty to illegal alien invaders.

    Trump campaigned on a promise to reduce legal immigration, deport illegal alien invaders and to build a wall on the border between the United States and Mexico. Trump has been highly disappointing on immigration.

    Trump has betrayed his base on immigration. Trump has made himself untrustworthy on immigration.

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  36. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    You guys don’t seem to understand. Trump enjoys cucking his erstwhile friends and allies. He has a fetish for it. He lives for it. So the fact that he’s cucking his base, supporters, voters isn’t surprising at all. He gets off on it:

    ” Book: Trump Said Sex With Friends’ Wives Made Life Worth Living – Put Them On Speakerphone, Tricked Husbands ”

    https://www.inquisitr.com/4716668/book-trump-said-sex-with-friends-wives-made-life-worth-living-put-them-on-speakerphone-tricked-husbands/

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    Good lord ban the Anonymous twit already
    , @Jack D

    When Trump allegedly would have a particular wife he was chasing listen in on the speakerphone secretly while Trump would question the husband in his office about whether or not the man still liked having sex with his wife, and if he hadn’t had better sex with some other woman than his wife.

    Going further in his alleged attempts to get the particular husband in trouble, Trump purportedly tempted the married man in his office to cheat on his wife by stating that Trump had “girls coming in from Los Angeles at three o’clock.” Trump would allegedly promise the man that they could “go upstairs and have a great time.” Whatever the man’s answer would be, the wife would hear it over the speakerphone.
     
    Putting aside the morality of this (and believe me, when dealing with the likes of Pelosi and Schumer, you have to put aside all morality), this is brilliant in a Machiavellian sense. Trump is exactly the kind of guy you need to be playing divide and conquer tricks against the Dems. Schumer thinks that he is Mr. SAT 800, but Trump has him totally beat in NY Street Smarts.
    , @Johann Ricke

    You guys don’t seem to understand. Trump enjoys cucking his erstwhile friends and allies. He has a fetish for it. He lives for it. So the fact that he’s cucking his base, supporters, voters isn’t surprising at all. He gets off on it:
     
    Breaking promises to supporters isn't a new phenomenon. It's been around probably since the first tribal chieftain took power. There's no need to coin a new word for it. And to use the word "cuck" is stupid. Marriage vows are in no way similar to promises made to complete strangers, in exchange for a few minutes in a voting booth. I'd say a broken campaign promise bears more of a resemblance to a john welshing on his promise to pay a hooker, except the hooker is actually providing more of a service to the john than the average voter.
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  37. J.Ross says: • Website

    Does Macron making sense mean Tarantino will make a non-genocidal movie? No.

    Our elite have concluded long ago that widespread vigilantism is inevitable (especially in their favorite version of events, in which there is no political resistance and everything is fast tracked). This is why they’re trying to erase Constitutional gun rights (although they already wanted that for other reasons), trying to ease the over-diagnosis of (white) society, and showing white males getting defeated badly in every single music video, commercial, trope, and skit. Which is stupid, because this will do nothing to stop widespread vigilantism. That will come from some emergency showing up the collapse of traditional government function in the shadow of the metastasis of the living graft god. Furthermore this constant bearpoking will make marginally conscious whites come over into sunlight.
    And once we get widespread vigilantism and any two white freikorps link, it’s over.
    If Macron’s empty talk and the grudging BBC admission that a certain amount of New Year rapes may have happened signify that the elite have decided to recognize dissent and give it a lazy token explanation, then would we expect to see a moderation of Die Whitey Die The Movie? No. The lazy token explanation is the sort of nothing-work given, without much expectation regarding results, to someone like David Brooks. The constant battering of the white ego, the constant ritual sacrifice of the Straw White, that’s a pillar in their plan for dealing with what they knew all along would be explosively unpopular and brazenly anti-democratic. If it burns Hollywood now it will not matter later when the same products and franchises are Chinese.

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  38. KevinB says:

    I hope it’s a negotiating tactic. But if not, and Trump grants any form of amnesty, he won’t survive the primaries, let alone the general. And most likely, he will not even be able to govern during the remainder of his term. You can’t back away from the signature issue that put you into office and expect any kind of support.

    If it were up to me, I would be widening the Overton window on the topic of immigration, not narrowing it. Forceful, boots on the ground enforcement coupled with expanding the class of “deportables” would give him far more leverage over policy. But who knows anymore. Reading tea leaves in a world where up is down and right is left is inherently impossible. The world went mad some time ago and I fear there’s no stopping the inevitable descent to where madness always ends.

    However, one would think it would be clear to Trump who his allies are, and more importantly, who are his enemies. The Miller CNN interview made that distinction absolutely crystal clear. But perhaps, Trump believes he can turn our class of nobles, and have them bend the knee.

    Regardless, events are going to start taking on a life of their own. Our country’s debt, combined with ever diminishing productivity from importing low IQ dependents, who cannot possibly make a go of things without government support (made even more dependent in our climate of rapid automation), guarantees a liquidity crises at some point in the future. CA will most likely be the first to come under fiscal stress due to its outsized debt (1 $trillion +), its over-reliance on capital gains to make the state payroll and and 35% rate of medicaid use. A trifecta of dysfunction.

    So I say bring it on and let’s get the show on the road. The sooner the crackpots start the great unraveling, the sooner a new order can emerge that hopefully acknowledges the real world of cause and effect as opposed to current popular understandings that are essentially based on witchcraft and voodoo. Things will most likely be worse after a collapse, but at least the sociopaths that created these energies will be stripped of their assets by the very monsters they helped create.

    Winter is coming and time is running out for Trump to do anything meaningful to stop it.

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    If Trump collapses on this then we go back to where we were in the late Obama administration, we throw the economy, we stop paying taxes, we set off fireworks in nice neighborhoods, we look into those Wolverine migrant warehousing facilities, we deliberately overtax public services, we find out exactly how sincerely the average Mormon loves Evan McMullin, and we seriously consider that Trump is drugged or blackmailed. But he's not going to throw it. The actual record is pretty good so far and it's consistent. Due to his negotiating style it is completely pointless to get exercised over what looks like might happen.
    (Today on NPR -- this is real -- the consistently worthless CIA assures us that, were the DPRK to get nuclear weapons, they would not voluntariy relinquish them, and goes on to speculate that, you know, we just don't know what might happen. I can't help thinking those guys have switched brands and are over-relaxing with the help of grass. People on snow don't talk like that.)
    , @Redman
    OT-but related to lowering the national IQ and the reversal of the Flynn effect.

    What’s up with NASA’s new rocket failing to reach orbit? Are we regressing on the mission to seek strange new worlds and new civilizations? Is this all there will ever be?

    2001 A Space Odyssey was the top grossing film in 1969, the year of my birth. I haven’t seen a Hollywood Film (in a theater) in 7 years, and shudder to think what this year’s box office winner might have been. Pixar is my guess.
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  39. Parsifal says:
    @John Gruskos
    Stephen Miller convinced us all to vote for the wrong candidate.

    Ted Cruz would have implemented an America First immigration policy, Rand Paul would have implemented an America First foreign policy, and they would have done so with a modicum of dignity.

    Trump is the worst of both worlds. He makes nationalism look bad with his buffoonery while implementing the globalist agenda.

    LOL! No they wouldn’t, you are delusional. First of all, neither would have won. Second, even if they did win none of them would have been able to withstand the onslaught from all sides Trump is facing.

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  40. MEH 0910 says:
    @John Gruskos
    Stephen Miller convinced us all to vote for the wrong candidate.

    Ted Cruz would have implemented an America First immigration policy, Rand Paul would have implemented an America First foreign policy, and they would have done so with a modicum of dignity.

    Trump is the worst of both worlds. He makes nationalism look bad with his buffoonery while implementing the globalist agenda.

    Cruz or Paul would have lost. Only Trump could beat Hillary.

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  41. Clyde says:

    DACA covers 800,000 illegal aliens
    Dreamers covers 3 million illegal aliens

    If the Dems get DACA through the next push for “the children” will be The Dreamers. This shit, and I do mean shit, never ends and looks like they have worn down Trump on this. They being Republicans too. Just look at Lindsey Graham going on about DACA.

    The top two priorities of illegals
    1- get legal status so access to better jobs Universities and scholarships.
    2- get legal status so they can travel freely between their homeland and America. Being able to fly back and forth means a lot

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  42. Dmitry says:
    @IHTG
    Not enough people have commented on Trump's mention of the Israeli border fence when he argued with the Dem Congressman who said a wall would be ineffective. Savage moment.

    To repeat my earlier comment. The Sinai border ‘hi-tech smart fence’ cost $470 million to construct and it was 250 kilometers. It managed to stop the illegal immigration trade from the Sinai. The government claims that zero illegal immigrants crossed the border in 2017 (before the fence was built, thousands were crossing every month).

    The US-Mexico border is 3000 kilometers long. So extrapolating from the Sinai border fence example, it would cost $5.6 billion to build the same style of ‘hi-tech smart fence’ across the length of the US-Mexico border – which is not a huge expenditure in proportion to US federal budgets.

    The proviso to my above comments, is that this type of fence has to be patrolled to be effective (on the Sinai, it is fitted with motion sensors and command and control rooms, which alert the soldiers patrolling it).

    In addition, the fence on the Sinai is not particularly impressive to look at. For Trump to get truly excited by, and attached to, the wall project – the designs presented to him will have to be more impressive looking (with an associated increase in cost).

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    Not unlikely that Trump's wall, if built, will be an actual wall in a few key places but a fence for most of its length.
    , @nebulafox
    Well, we could look at it as a job creating opportunity. Bet a lot of young men would rather be guards than service sector or HR drones.

    Think we could get away with giving guards permission to shoot upon being ignored, like India does with Bangladesh?
    , @Anonymous
    We simply need to do as the Israelis do. Kudos to Trump for mentioning it--and of course with the customary 'news' blackout for anything which doesn't fit The Narrative, I hadn't heard he did.

    That is SUCH important pricing information you supplied about the ‘hi-tech smart fence’ and it should be disseminated as widely as possible.

    , @Opinionator
    The proviso to my above comments, is that this type of fence has to be patrolled to be effective (on the Sinai, it is fitted with motion sensors and command and control rooms, which alert the soldiers patrolling it).

    We have the man- and woman-power to do it.
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  43. Sid says:
    @rogue-one
    Trump got elected on the immigration. If he gives up on DACA his base will abandon him.

    He will go down in history as worst president ever.

    Yes, it’s all about immigration. If we had wanted a generic Republican, there were other choices who would have been better administrators.

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    Yeah a generic Republican would have ended TPS every opportunity he gets.

    The reactions here are a pretty good indicator of who watched the actual event (Lindsay Graham sucking up to Trump, Trump stumping the Dems with the Israeli border wall), and who is eating blackpills from Coulter and going off of NYT tweets.
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  44. IHTG says:
    @Anonymous
    You guys don't seem to understand. Trump enjoys cucking his erstwhile friends and allies. He has a fetish for it. He lives for it. So the fact that he's cucking his base, supporters, voters isn't surprising at all. He gets off on it:

    " Book: Trump Said Sex With Friends’ Wives Made Life Worth Living – Put Them On Speakerphone, Tricked Husbands "

    https://www.inquisitr.com/4716668/book-trump-said-sex-with-friends-wives-made-life-worth-living-put-them-on-speakerphone-tricked-husbands/

    Good lord ban the Anonymous twit already

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  45. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    >>>>>Troll: IHTG

    IHTG = It’s Hasbara Trolling Goyim

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  46. @Nico

    the Dems cave and give him everything he wants for 800k illegal
     
    We’re talking 800k highly nubile and almost exclusively POC future voters. Democrats would be stupid not to.

    800k voters who are gonna run up the score in Cali and NY in exchange for the wall, an end to chain migration, and the diversity visa? You have an issue with that?

    This is why he’s President and you comment on a niche blog.

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    Yeah, to me it all comes down to numbers and quality of immigrant.

    In the ultimate deal -- if there is one -- how many current illegal immigrants will be granted permanent status now or later? How many future immigrants will be allowed, and how many illegal immigrants will be enabled or encouraged to come by a lack of enforcement? And how well vetted will be the legal immigrants?

    If we allow 800K illegal immigrants to be granted some kind of permanent status, and get in return a reduction by half of the legal immigrants in the future, and very good enforcement to reduce further illegal immigration to a small fraction of today's, that's a very good deal. The status quo is vastly worse. If there are a million legal immigrants a year, and that could be reduced by half to 500K, then within two years of further delay we'd be worse off than if we did a deal for 800K.

    Any number bigger than 800K starts to make the deal less satisfactory, especially since others will be encouraged to come illegally. And of course the enforcement has to be real, because otherwise there's no point--we've solved nothing.
    , @War for Blair Mountain
    Trump is POTUS because he is a narcissistic psychopath...only narcissistic psychopaths can be elected POTUS....
    , @International Jew
    And Georgia and Texas and North Carolina...
    It's not 1990 anymore.
    , @Nico
    I’ll not enter into the numbers game with people who refuse to look beyond a cited “official” exterior figure.

    I’ll only say that I have an “issue” with almost everything Western leaders have done in the past 30 some years. Maybe it’s that I’m out of step with a rotten Zeitgeist, or maybe you have a point that simply, I’m wrong and they’re right, but I still prefer the way things were to the way they are. And if that makes me a fool I suppose I’m too dense to give a damn.

    Still, I can’t help but express amusement that you think it worth your time to taunt lowly fools like myself who dare call Great Powers into question on message boards.

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  47. truthman says:

    If DACA is passed in conjunction with visa lottery abolition and reduction to chain migration I think that’s a deal worth taking, if in fact it meant much less legal immigration. Actually getting a legal immigration reduction through congress would be a huge accomplishment.
    The last big amnesty of 1986 was coupled with an increase in legal immigration. The gang of 8 monstrosity of 2013-2014 envisioned a huge amnesty plus legal immigration increase, so imho actually getting legal immigration reduction, even if purchased with some form of amnesty is a lot better. Sort of a glass half empty, half full situation.
    I think there was some Ron Unz guy who advocated this idea as well.

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    • Replies: @International Jew
    No. DACA for a border fence, e-verify, no more chain migration etc etc is a bad deal, because all those other things can be reversed in the minute of the next Democratic President's term. But the longer the "dreamers" are here, the harder it'll be to deport them. They'll all have anchor babies, US citizen spouses, and new sob stories.

    Why is Trump even negotiating? He holds all the cards; he can end DACA with his pen, he can expel every last illegal of every stripe by exercising his executive authority (in fact he's violating his oath of office every day he doesn't expel them). He can declare that we've been invaded (which is true) and order enough of the US Army along the Mexican border that we won't need a wall at all. He has authority to end the whole refugee racket. He can order our consulates to stop giving any more visas.

    , @SnakeEyes
    The problem with doing any trade which involves giving the DACA people legal status in exchange for a change in the law such as ending chain migration or the Diversity Lottery is that the beneficiaries of the DACA amnesty (and their progeny) are here forever whereas the law can always be changed back (for instance, next time the Dems control both houses).
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  48. @IHTG
    Not enough people have commented on Trump's mention of the Israeli border fence when he argued with the Dem Congressman who said a wall would be ineffective. Savage moment.

    Cause then they couldn’t sit here and moan about how doomed they are.

    A lot of people letting themselves be gaslit on the Smartest Blog on the Internet.

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  49. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    OT — Douthat used the phrase “coalition of the fringes” in his latest movie podcast in the context of The Shape of Water.

    https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/projections/id1316696467?mt=2

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  50. Thomas says:
    @e
    You should be used to Trump's language "modifications" by now. Don't freak out.

    Consequences of freaking out at the slightest sense of cucking even if there’s nothing to worry about are small, compared to staying stumm if it actually happens. If anything else, even if Trump is cannily outmaneuvering the other side (jury’s still out on that and other pieces of 4D chess, IMHO), it doesn’t hurt him to have a vociferous public reaction to point to. “Sorry Chuck and Nancy, I wanted to be nice, but I got to follow the public on this.” We’re only as far as Trump because we tore to pieces amnesty attempts under two previous Presidents.

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  51. @John Gruskos
    Stephen Miller convinced us all to vote for the wrong candidate.

    Ted Cruz would have implemented an America First immigration policy, Rand Paul would have implemented an America First foreign policy, and they would have done so with a modicum of dignity.

    Trump is the worst of both worlds. He makes nationalism look bad with his buffoonery while implementing the globalist agenda.

    Lmao in what world do either of those two breach the Blue Wall and win Wisconsin ffs?

    These open threads are like bug zappers for the CTR crowd who was so popular around here during the election.

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  52. IHTG says:
    @Dmitry
    To repeat my earlier comment. The Sinai border 'hi-tech smart fence' cost $470 million to construct and it was 250 kilometers. It managed to stop the illegal immigration trade from the Sinai. The government claims that zero illegal immigrants crossed the border in 2017 (before the fence was built, thousands were crossing every month).

    The US-Mexico border is 3000 kilometers long. So extrapolating from the Sinai border fence example, it would cost $5.6 billion to build the same style of 'hi-tech smart fence' across the length of the US-Mexico border - which is not a huge expenditure in proportion to US federal budgets.

    The proviso to my above comments, is that this type of fence has to be patrolled to be effective (on the Sinai, it is fitted with motion sensors and command and control rooms, which alert the soldiers patrolling it).

    In addition, the fence on the Sinai is not particularly impressive to look at. For Trump to get truly excited by, and attached to, the wall project - the designs presented to him will have to be more impressive looking (with an associated increase in cost).

    Not unlikely that Trump’s wall, if built, will be an actual wall in a few key places but a fence for most of its length.

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  53. Ed says:

    The DACA folks will get legalized in exchange for changes to immigration such as a wall & legal immigration. How such a deal will look like I don’t know.

    A deal will not be a sellout of the immigration hawk wing. Also there will be no “clean DACA”.

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  54. Shepard Smith on FOX just said that Trump will legalize DACA and will build the Wall *in some places* and later do comprehensive reform. He says we don’t need a 2000 mile wall. Isn’t even calling it a Wall now, just calling it “border security”

    Looks like Trump well and truly threw the people who put him in the WH under the bus. When Bannon was fired, it was an ominous sign of things to come.

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  55. @Nico

    the Dems cave and give him everything he wants for 800k illegal
     
    We’re talking 800k highly nubile and almost exclusively POC future voters. Democrats would be stupid not to.

    Would be worth it if we got lasting employment enforcement. But we won’t.

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  56. nebulafox says:

    Simple. Sanctuary cities suffer consequences in federal funding unless they revise their policies, E-Verify, a mandatory 5 year jail sentence + 500,000 dollar fine for any employer hiring illegals, and an inquiry into immigration status for anybody hoping to access national public services, including police protection and healthcare-if an illegal alien tries to get surgery or call the police, he’ll get deported, and for the latter, criminals will become aware of that. Measures of this kind of harshness will send a strong message to not only current illegal aliens, but anybody considering becoming one that it probably isn’t worth it. No economic opportunities, and you live a shadow life, much like North Koreans in China do.

    Get all that done, and I’m more than happy to accept what, realistically speaking, are probably the highest quality and most assimilable of the illegal crop. Make economic, legal, and social conditions hostile enough for illegal aliens, and a wall would be superfluous. They’ll go home themselves. And if the Democrats choose to reject the deal, the onus is on them instead of Trump: they’ll be the one politically obstructing and revealing their true colors to the public.

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    With the added bonus, I might add, of revealing how absolutely little modern Democrats care about native working class citizens in favor of the emotional sentiments and petty venal needs of the bien-pensant upper-middle and upper classes: of all races as far as the former goes, I should add. Blacks, being disproportionately working class, are hit hardest here, and that should be pointed out. Also point out that the New York Times doesn't even *distinguish* between legal and illegal immigration anymore (yes, Mr. Indian Phd genius who slaved away for a decade to get a high-horsepower job at Microsoft, we're going to conflate you with the random Salvadoran border crosser for our own sleazy political agenda), and that Washington Post bemoans the fact that the return of illegals depresses *Mexican* wages, with the implication that laws of supply and demand apparently do work quite differently in Mexico than here....
    do this kind of thing more often, and the cracks start showing in the Coalition of the Fringes. Go for the jugular!

    Too bad Trump is too much of a plutocratic ****head to realize this and chose to throw in his lot with McConnellism instead on everything from taxes to the War on Drugs. (Ending the latter will also help stem the tide of illegal immigration from Central America. Long past time to pull the plug on that one, anyway.)

    , @J.Ross
    I like all this but it's impossible without purging the judiciary. We need a revolution-level reform of our schools, our law schools, and our sitting judges. You would think that supremacy clause and sovereignty would take care of California having its own immigration policy flatly contradicting the federal government, but then you would also think that the executive branch is run by the executive branch and not some shmo in Hawaii. They fight us every step of the way on every detail in situations where they have absolutely nothing, and we sit waiting for a perfect savior with a solid case.
    , @AndrewR
    What a stupid comment. Why would you want to discourage people from reporting crimes? You clearly haven't thought this through.
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  57. Trump’s betrayed voter base:

    You Rotten Bastard! Why! Why!

    Trump:

    The Chamber of Commerce required amnesty for illegal alien invaders, so did the Cheap Labor Faction of the GOP. That was the price of my presidency.

    Trump’s betrayed voter base:

    We want you to change course now!

    Trump:

    Soon enough I’ll be out of office, and you’ll find a new leader.

    Trump’s betrayed voter base:

    Your no longer our president and you have made yourself unlovable.

    Trump:

    You are my voter base and you’ve always known my fickle mind.

    Trump’s betrayed voter base:

    You deceived us!

    Trump:

    You let yourself be deceived. But in your heart you always knew what had to happen here. And thus you know what it means to hate. Now you are ready to find a new leader.

    Trump’s betrayed voter base:

    Our hate will build a new patriotism.

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  58. @Sid
    Yes, it's all about immigration. If we had wanted a generic Republican, there were other choices who would have been better administrators.

    Yeah a generic Republican would have ended TPS every opportunity he gets.

    The reactions here are a pretty good indicator of who watched the actual event (Lindsay Graham sucking up to Trump, Trump stumping the Dems with the Israeli border wall), and who is eating blackpills from Coulter and going off of NYT tweets.

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    have ended TPS every opportunity he gets.
     
    Huh? He ended for El Salvador. Trump actually extended it for yet another 18 months for Haiti. (And Haitians are even worse for us than Salvadorans.)
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  59. Berty says:

    I’m starting to think Jack Hanson is just Bill Mitchell in disguise. He’s just as much of a creepy cultist.

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    There are a few people on here who viciously attack anyone who dares to criticize their daddy Donny.
    , @Jack Hanson
    I'm starting to think you've got a huge gay crush on me, you wanna talk about creepy.
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  60. nebulafox says:
    @Dmitry
    To repeat my earlier comment. The Sinai border 'hi-tech smart fence' cost $470 million to construct and it was 250 kilometers. It managed to stop the illegal immigration trade from the Sinai. The government claims that zero illegal immigrants crossed the border in 2017 (before the fence was built, thousands were crossing every month).

    The US-Mexico border is 3000 kilometers long. So extrapolating from the Sinai border fence example, it would cost $5.6 billion to build the same style of 'hi-tech smart fence' across the length of the US-Mexico border - which is not a huge expenditure in proportion to US federal budgets.

    The proviso to my above comments, is that this type of fence has to be patrolled to be effective (on the Sinai, it is fitted with motion sensors and command and control rooms, which alert the soldiers patrolling it).

    In addition, the fence on the Sinai is not particularly impressive to look at. For Trump to get truly excited by, and attached to, the wall project - the designs presented to him will have to be more impressive looking (with an associated increase in cost).

    Well, we could look at it as a job creating opportunity. Bet a lot of young men would rather be guards than service sector or HR drones.

    Think we could get away with giving guards permission to shoot upon being ignored, like India does with Bangladesh?

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    Think we could get away with giving guards permission to shoot upon being ignored, like India does with Bangladesh?
     
    The 'more evil' Israeli way would be to use all-teenage-girl shooting rooms, that operate remote controlled machine gun posts.

    (Note - before Mondoweiss quotes my post, that this is only fitted along the Gaza border fence, where the people on the other side are often armed.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBW9P6mragU

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  61. J.Ross says: • Website
    @KevinB
    I hope it's a negotiating tactic. But if not, and Trump grants any form of amnesty, he won't survive the primaries, let alone the general. And most likely, he will not even be able to govern during the remainder of his term. You can't back away from the signature issue that put you into office and expect any kind of support.

    If it were up to me, I would be widening the Overton window on the topic of immigration, not narrowing it. Forceful, boots on the ground enforcement coupled with expanding the class of "deportables" would give him far more leverage over policy. But who knows anymore. Reading tea leaves in a world where up is down and right is left is inherently impossible. The world went mad some time ago and I fear there's no stopping the inevitable descent to where madness always ends.

    However, one would think it would be clear to Trump who his allies are, and more importantly, who are his enemies. The Miller CNN interview made that distinction absolutely crystal clear. But perhaps, Trump believes he can turn our class of nobles, and have them bend the knee.

    Regardless, events are going to start taking on a life of their own. Our country's debt, combined with ever diminishing productivity from importing low IQ dependents, who cannot possibly make a go of things without government support (made even more dependent in our climate of rapid automation), guarantees a liquidity crises at some point in the future. CA will most likely be the first to come under fiscal stress due to its outsized debt (1 $trillion +), its over-reliance on capital gains to make the state payroll and and 35% rate of medicaid use. A trifecta of dysfunction.

    So I say bring it on and let's get the show on the road. The sooner the crackpots start the great unraveling, the sooner a new order can emerge that hopefully acknowledges the real world of cause and effect as opposed to current popular understandings that are essentially based on witchcraft and voodoo. Things will most likely be worse after a collapse, but at least the sociopaths that created these energies will be stripped of their assets by the very monsters they helped create.

    Winter is coming and time is running out for Trump to do anything meaningful to stop it.

    If Trump collapses on this then we go back to where we were in the late Obama administration, we throw the economy, we stop paying taxes, we set off fireworks in nice neighborhoods, we look into those Wolverine migrant warehousing facilities, we deliberately overtax public services, we find out exactly how sincerely the average Mormon loves Evan McMullin, and we seriously consider that Trump is drugged or blackmailed. But he’s not going to throw it. The actual record is pretty good so far and it’s consistent. Due to his negotiating style it is completely pointless to get exercised over what looks like might happen.
    (Today on NPR — this is real — the consistently worthless CIA assures us that, were the DPRK to get nuclear weapons, they would not voluntariy relinquish them, and goes on to speculate that, you know, we just don’t know what might happen. I can’t help thinking those guys have switched brands and are over-relaxing with the help of grass. People on snow don’t talk like that.)

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  62. Ed says:

    I swear some you guys trashing Trump on this have not been paying attention to this issue all that much.

    Trump admin has been very aggressive on immigration. He’s removed status from Haitians and Central Americans. The number of refugees this first quarter has plummeted to 5000 the lowest figure in 40 years.
    Interior arrests are up as more are thrown in deportation proceedings.

    During the Bush & especially Obama years illegals would get their sob stories in the press and within a few days their cases were dropped or suspended. Not so much under Trump.

    Trump did this meeting because of the Wolfe book. He’s been pretty clear that DACA in exchange for his wants. Also gop house will release their own bill tomorrow which is very conservative. The DACA kids will get status if that alone upsets you, oh well.

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    Trump admin has been very aggressive on immigration. He’s removed status from Haitians and Central Americans.
     
    And he gave them 18 months to leave or "seek alternative legal status", total BS.
    , @Berty
    We don't want DACA, and there's no way you can trust anyone to keep a promise of a wall in exchange for legalization.
    , @J.Ross
    Some of these guys bashing Trump sound an awful lot like the paid trolls sent by the DNC to other web sites, who would, every single day of the campaign, claim to be a long-time Trump supporter, but, after this one thing (remember the campaign, there was a fatal scandal every three days, and they were always inside journalists' minds) "-- I am now a Cruz missile."
    , @neutral
    You need to put this in perspective, amnesty is basically creating a lot of Democrat voters in an instant. This will produce so many more voters than all the other stuff you have mentioned, this single betrayal destroys the stuff you mentioned by a huge margin.
    , @S. Anonyia
    A lot of commenters around here (especially ones who didn’t show up until the last 2 years or so) enjoy complaining and fantasizing about confrontation with their political enemies, and don’t appreciate actual problem solving, especially if it’s incremental. Just look at how many people in the Macron thread were dismissive of his intentions (like intentions matter all that much..) even though he is cracking down on immigration and publicly discussing the upcoming African population bomb.

    Honestly high rates of legal immigration are bigger problem in the long term than DACA. DACA is not that big of a deal, it’s not a full amnesty.

    Trump has disappointed me on foreign policy but he has been fine on immigration.

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  63. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Ann Coulter slams Trump again.

    1.8 million twitter followers.

    That’s gotta hurt.

    She is insufficiently anti-Bannon also…

    So she’s on “Trump’s List”

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    Trump is smart enough to understand about the importance of loyalty from his supporters (note this is a one way relationship - from his supporters to him). People like Steve Bannon (or perhaps Ann Coulter), can do a lot more damage to him, than people who were never his supporters to begin with.

    In the case of Putin, it was people who were Putin's earliest backers, that were treated as his first threats. He doesn't mind people on Ekho Moskvy - they would never vote for him anyway, they can chatter away until end of days.

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  64. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The RINOs are already backpedalling. They’ve already cut down most of their demands before they even met with the Dems.

    Trump is a con man. He just wants to be loved. He will give away DACA for free, or for a bullshit “wall” that’s basically just patching up broken fences in existing fenced areas.

    Anything short of a full implementation of the RAISE act is treason from Trump and the GOP, and they will lose 2018 and lose it BIGLY. Trump can kiss 2020 goodbye if he thinks his fake wall is good enough to appease the base.

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  65. Dowit says:

    This has been an undeclared war by insurgents for the last 20 years. Of course dems will shut the government down. That’s the whole point. Same as when the majority of Republicans drew a line in the sand on Slavery. Of course the South wanted a Civil War. Gaming the Constitution for coin has always been their objective. These are innately horrible people running barefoot over our Constitution, just like they always have. It’s likely a genetic malady, since it has been crawling under the countries skin since the beginning. The Civil War cleansed the nation of a dominating social pathology. Shutting down the government is good. It starves the cold, and will make it dormant again. Until the next time.

    “Oh, no! We can’t demand that the Democrats end Slavery! It will bring a Civil War!”

    Bring it.

    “Oh, no! We can’t demand Democrats adhere to the rule of law they were charged to protect. It will bring a Government shutdown!”

    Do it.

    Many Americans died before you for this country. You can sacrifice by being late for work.

    Do it for America. Do it for the world. America is the nail on which we hang Western Civilization. You don’t just get it as a present. Sometimes asses need slinging.

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    Well said. Going further, most of us would be thrilled if the Democrats shut the government down, but it won't happen because the Democrat gibsmedat base wouldn't stand for it.
    , @Alden
    Remind me, why were the English invading France for the hundredth time?

    Was France an English colony in rebellion or something?
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    The War of Northern Aggression killed Federalism and installed the cult of despotic all invasive Federal power. It also put into full motion the war on White Men. Lincoln and his minions were much worse than Stalin and his henchmen.
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  66. @anonymouslee
    Well, boomers, you did it.

    One generation born to peace and wealth in the greatest nation in human history destroys that nation in their own lifetime. One generation to flush their ancestors and their children down the toilet at the same time, after robbing both.

    Well, boomers, you did it.
    One generation born to peace and wealth in the greatest nation in human history destroys that nation in their own lifetime. One generation to flush their ancestors and their children down the toilet at the same time, after robbing both.

    Don’t disagree we’re a shitty generation, but …

    (((Emanuel Cellar))) and Phillip Hart weren’t boomers.
    Lyndon Johnson wasn’t a boomer.
    Alan Simpson and Romano Mazzolli aren’t boomers.
    Ronald Reagan wasn’t a boomer.
    George H.W. Bush isn’t a boomer.
    John McCain isn’t a boomer.

    There are a lot of criminals and screw-ups involved in this mess who aren’t boomers. Most of the damage was set in motion by “Greatest Generation” and “Silent Generation” politicians, “intellectuals”, propagandists and good-thinkers who often (the goyim) didn’t really understand the nature of the disaster they were setting loose.

    In contrast
    Peter Brimelow is a boomer.
    Mark Krikorian is a boomer.
    Jared Taylor is a boomer.
    Steve Sailer is a boomer.
    John Derbyshire … ok, he’s actually a war baby on the cusp.
    Ann Coulter is a boomer.
    (((Mickey Kaus))) is a boomer.
    Steve Bannon (whatever the heck he is) is a boomer.
    Jeff Sessions is a boomer.
    Donald Trump is a boomer.

    There are traitors, criminals and screw-ups in all these generations. And a few heroes as well.

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    So-called 'greatest generation' and early boomers also got all their benefits--many of them didn't even pay into the system compared with those who came later. The rest of us are gonna get the shaft; it's starting already.
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  67. Berty says:
    @Sal Paradise
    Could Ted Cruz have won a national election though? I have my doubts he could have won the rust belt states Trump won and that’s the only electoral path to victory Republicans have at this point.

    But,man,Trump has turned out a lot worse than I expected. I would not have taken heat for supporting him from friends/family if I knew this was the result.

    Trump seems to be a nationalist at heart but he ultimately wants to be loved more than anything else, so the media/elite globalism wins out.

    He likes to be praised. He doesn’t like thinking deeply about policy. That’s becoming the reality of the situation.

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  68. Pat Boyle says:

    I have a TV in my kitchen. It only plays one channel – Fox News. I have a number of modern TVs in other rooms but in the kitchen I watch a used old CRT TV that I bought on Craig’s List for $10..

    A few years ago when I was in the kitchen getting a cup of coffee and Shepard Smith in New York said ” It looks like there is an airliner in the middle of the East River”. And indeed there was. Most of you only saw this in the Tom Hanks movie but I saw it live as it happened.

    Today I saw another remarkable news event on my kitchen TV. Trump presided over a bi-partisan meeting over DACA and immigration.

    Great TV. Great, great, great.

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    I have a TV in my kitchen. It only plays one channel – Fox News. I have a number of modern TVs in other rooms but in the kitchen I watch a used old CRT TV that I bought on Craig’s List for $10...

    Great TV. Great, great, great.

     

    Good Lord you are weird.
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  69. nebulafox says:
    @nebulafox
    Simple. Sanctuary cities suffer consequences in federal funding unless they revise their policies, E-Verify, a mandatory 5 year jail sentence + 500,000 dollar fine for any employer hiring illegals, and an inquiry into immigration status for anybody hoping to access national public services, including police protection and healthcare-if an illegal alien tries to get surgery or call the police, he'll get deported, and for the latter, criminals will become aware of that. Measures of this kind of harshness will send a strong message to not only current illegal aliens, but anybody considering becoming one that it probably isn't worth it. No economic opportunities, and you live a shadow life, much like North Koreans in China do.

    Get all that done, and I'm more than happy to accept what, realistically speaking, are probably the highest quality and most assimilable of the illegal crop. Make economic, legal, and social conditions hostile enough for illegal aliens, and a wall would be superfluous. They'll go home themselves. And if the Democrats choose to reject the deal, the onus is on them instead of Trump: they'll be the one politically obstructing and revealing their true colors to the public.

    With the added bonus, I might add, of revealing how absolutely little modern Democrats care about native working class citizens in favor of the emotional sentiments and petty venal needs of the bien-pensant upper-middle and upper classes: of all races as far as the former goes, I should add. Blacks, being disproportionately working class, are hit hardest here, and that should be pointed out. Also point out that the New York Times doesn’t even *distinguish* between legal and illegal immigration anymore (yes, Mr. Indian Phd genius who slaved away for a decade to get a high-horsepower job at Microsoft, we’re going to conflate you with the random Salvadoran border crosser for our own sleazy political agenda), and that Washington Post bemoans the fact that the return of illegals depresses *Mexican* wages, with the implication that laws of supply and demand apparently do work quite differently in Mexico than here….
    do this kind of thing more often, and the cracks start showing in the Coalition of the Fringes. Go for the jugular!

    Too bad Trump is too much of a plutocratic ****head to realize this and chose to throw in his lot with McConnellism instead on everything from taxes to the War on Drugs. (Ending the latter will also help stem the tide of illegal immigration from Central America. Long past time to pull the plug on that one, anyway.)

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  70. @Classical Liberal
    https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/950803601508700161

    You guys are on the wrong side of history.

    Historians will one day list the failure of the US to effectively close its border to Latin America’s peasant class and take the steps needed to remove most of its illegal population (look to Israel for an example!) as a key factor in its demise.
    You’re posting shows an obvious ignorance about human biodiversity and the low human capital of most illegals. The bulk of these “dreamers” are Mestizos and Mesoamerican Indians- Mestizos and Amerindians have consistently higher rates of poverty, illegitimacy, welfare use and crime, extending across multiple generations, than either Jews, Asians or whites (including those Hispanics of Spanish or other Euro descent). Due to our gov’t’s foolish immigration policies this demographic is exploding in size, something that apparently doesn’t bother you in the least.
    So only a lunatic would consider turning the richest and most technologically advanced country in human history into a Third World hellhole due to immigration policies that could easily be changed to be on the “right side of history.”

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    What the F difference does it make if they have low human capital...do you want to replace The Native Born White American Majority Population with Chinese...Koreans...Hindus?
    , @Anonymous

    Historians will one day list the failure of the US to effectively close its border to Latin America’s peasant class and take the steps needed to remove most of its illegal population (look to Israel for an example!) as a key factor in its demise.
     
    Historians of the future will do no such thing. You seem to have forgotten that the victors write the history. Historians of the future will be woke to the liberation happening now.
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  71. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed
    I swear some you guys trashing Trump on this have not been paying attention to this issue all that much.

    Trump admin has been very aggressive on immigration. He’s removed status from Haitians and Central Americans. The number of refugees this first quarter has plummeted to 5000 the lowest figure in 40 years.
    Interior arrests are up as more are thrown in deportation proceedings.

    During the Bush & especially Obama years illegals would get their sob stories in the press and within a few days their cases were dropped or suspended. Not so much under Trump.

    Trump did this meeting because of the Wolfe book. He’s been pretty clear that DACA in exchange for his wants. Also gop house will release their own bill tomorrow which is very conservative. The DACA kids will get status if that alone upsets you, oh well.

    Trump admin has been very aggressive on immigration. He’s removed status from Haitians and Central Americans.

    And he gave them 18 months to leave or “seek alternative legal status”, total BS.

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  72. Berty says:
    @Ed
    I swear some you guys trashing Trump on this have not been paying attention to this issue all that much.

    Trump admin has been very aggressive on immigration. He’s removed status from Haitians and Central Americans. The number of refugees this first quarter has plummeted to 5000 the lowest figure in 40 years.
    Interior arrests are up as more are thrown in deportation proceedings.

    During the Bush & especially Obama years illegals would get their sob stories in the press and within a few days their cases were dropped or suspended. Not so much under Trump.

    Trump did this meeting because of the Wolfe book. He’s been pretty clear that DACA in exchange for his wants. Also gop house will release their own bill tomorrow which is very conservative. The DACA kids will get status if that alone upsets you, oh well.

    We don’t want DACA, and there’s no way you can trust anyone to keep a promise of a wall in exchange for legalization.

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  73. J.Ross says: • Website
    @nebulafox
    Simple. Sanctuary cities suffer consequences in federal funding unless they revise their policies, E-Verify, a mandatory 5 year jail sentence + 500,000 dollar fine for any employer hiring illegals, and an inquiry into immigration status for anybody hoping to access national public services, including police protection and healthcare-if an illegal alien tries to get surgery or call the police, he'll get deported, and for the latter, criminals will become aware of that. Measures of this kind of harshness will send a strong message to not only current illegal aliens, but anybody considering becoming one that it probably isn't worth it. No economic opportunities, and you live a shadow life, much like North Koreans in China do.

    Get all that done, and I'm more than happy to accept what, realistically speaking, are probably the highest quality and most assimilable of the illegal crop. Make economic, legal, and social conditions hostile enough for illegal aliens, and a wall would be superfluous. They'll go home themselves. And if the Democrats choose to reject the deal, the onus is on them instead of Trump: they'll be the one politically obstructing and revealing their true colors to the public.

    I like all this but it’s impossible without purging the judiciary. We need a revolution-level reform of our schools, our law schools, and our sitting judges. You would think that supremacy clause and sovereignty would take care of California having its own immigration policy flatly contradicting the federal government, but then you would also think that the executive branch is run by the executive branch and not some shmo in Hawaii. They fight us every step of the way on every detail in situations where they have absolutely nothing, and we sit waiting for a perfect savior with a solid case.

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  74. nebulafox says:
    @John Gruskos
    Stephen Miller convinced us all to vote for the wrong candidate.

    Ted Cruz would have implemented an America First immigration policy, Rand Paul would have implemented an America First foreign policy, and they would have done so with a modicum of dignity.

    Trump is the worst of both worlds. He makes nationalism look bad with his buffoonery while implementing the globalist agenda.

    Ted Cruz cares about two things: his nutty Dominionist fantasies (something that truly, profoundly creeps me out like little else does), and the Job Creators. He probably was created in some secret DNC lab as the walking, talking epitome of all that people despise about the Republican Party these days. So, no, not buying that. Before the hardening of partisan lines in the mid-to-late 90s, he would have been a good bet for a Goldwatwer/McGovern style debacle.

    That said…

    >Trump is the worst of both worlds. He makes nationalism look bad with his buffoonery while implementing the globalist agenda.

    Absolutely agreed. I have mixed feelings about her, but I personally think Le Pen would have done a lot better in France had Trump never happened, for one thing. (She still did well enough to finally wake up Paris, given Macron’s recent rightward tack, though, so maybe that’s enough.) Trump and his “word salad” style of speech just sounds so fundamentally stupid when literally translated into another language.

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  75. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Plan is to pump the economy to soothe Trumpers who feel betrayed. But the tax bill doesn’t shrink the government. It increases the debt.

    A few years of a pumped up economy did not Make America Great Again 2004-2007.

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  76. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Breitbart just announced Steve Bannon is stepping down as Executive Chairman.

    They need to replace him with Ann Coulter. She’ll steer that rag away from all the Zionist love Iran Hate and keep the focus on the real MAGA agenda, not the fake one Trump’s been pedaling which should be renamed MIGA — Make Israel Great Again or Make India Great Again, take your pick. He’s never going to do anything about H1b.

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    No chance in hell they pick a patriot like Coulter. The political and media class know what Ann stands for, which is everything they oppose.
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  77. pyrrhus says:
    @Classical Liberal
    https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/950803601508700161

    You guys are on the wrong side of history.

    A baldfaced lie…I don’t know a single Trump voter (and I know dozens) who supports amnesty in any form…You idiots have been cooking polls since FDR, but it won’t work.

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  78. Dmitry says:
    @nebulafox
    Well, we could look at it as a job creating opportunity. Bet a lot of young men would rather be guards than service sector or HR drones.

    Think we could get away with giving guards permission to shoot upon being ignored, like India does with Bangladesh?

    Think we could get away with giving guards permission to shoot upon being ignored, like India does with Bangladesh?

    The ‘more evil’ Israeli way would be to use all-teenage-girl shooting rooms, that operate remote controlled machine gun posts.

    (Note – before Mondoweiss quotes my post, that this is only fitted along the Gaza border fence, where the people on the other side are often armed.)

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    Israeli women: emasculating Palestinian men since 1948.
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  79. Trump’s voter base must immediately find a southerner willing to announce a challenge to Trump for the Republican Party nomination for president in 2020. Trump needs to have his feet kept close to the fire. Trump can be portrayed as the great betrayer of the nation and of the South.

    Trump must not be allowed to get away with this horrendous betrayal of his voter base. Trump’s voter base is Whites Without College Degrees(WWCDs). Trump’s planned amnesty for illegal alien invaders is a horrible sellout of his voter base.

    Trump won the presidency by winning the South, including Florida and Texas, and by winning the WOMP Great Lakes states — Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania. But the South gave Trump the presidency.

    A GOP primary candidate from the South who can start gaining in the polls against Trump would do wonders for Trump’s behaviour going forward. Trump only responds to power and force. A GOP challenger who calls out Trump’s weak sellout on immigration will get Trump to back off his betrayal of his voter base.

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  80. pyrrhus says:
    @Dowit
    This has been an undeclared war by insurgents for the last 20 years. Of course dems will shut the government down. That's the whole point. Same as when the majority of Republicans drew a line in the sand on Slavery. Of course the South wanted a Civil War. Gaming the Constitution for coin has always been their objective. These are innately horrible people running barefoot over our Constitution, just like they always have. It's likely a genetic malady, since it has been crawling under the countries skin since the beginning. The Civil War cleansed the nation of a dominating social pathology. Shutting down the government is good. It starves the cold, and will make it dormant again. Until the next time.

    "Oh, no! We can't demand that the Democrats end Slavery! It will bring a Civil War!"

    Bring it.

    "Oh, no! We can't demand Democrats adhere to the rule of law they were charged to protect. It will bring a Government shutdown!"

    Do it.

    Many Americans died before you for this country. You can sacrifice by being late for work.

    Do it for America. Do it for the world. America is the nail on which we hang Western Civilization. You don't just get it as a present. Sometimes asses need slinging.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-yZNMWFqvM

    Well said. Going further, most of us would be thrilled if the Democrats shut the government down, but it won’t happen because the Democrat gibsmedat base wouldn’t stand for it.

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  81. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I guess part of Trump’s 4D chess is setting up nasty, vicious, globalist, RINO Nikki Haley as his successor.

    Yes, he’s playing chess against the base.

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  82. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Ed
    I swear some you guys trashing Trump on this have not been paying attention to this issue all that much.

    Trump admin has been very aggressive on immigration. He’s removed status from Haitians and Central Americans. The number of refugees this first quarter has plummeted to 5000 the lowest figure in 40 years.
    Interior arrests are up as more are thrown in deportation proceedings.

    During the Bush & especially Obama years illegals would get their sob stories in the press and within a few days their cases were dropped or suspended. Not so much under Trump.

    Trump did this meeting because of the Wolfe book. He’s been pretty clear that DACA in exchange for his wants. Also gop house will release their own bill tomorrow which is very conservative. The DACA kids will get status if that alone upsets you, oh well.

    Some of these guys bashing Trump sound an awful lot like the paid trolls sent by the DNC to other web sites, who would, every single day of the campaign, claim to be a long-time Trump supporter, but, after this one thing (remember the campaign, there was a fatal scandal every three days, and they were always inside journalists’ minds) “– I am now a Cruz missile.”

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  83. utu says:

    Ann Coulter

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/09/ann-coulter-nothing-michael-wolff-could-say-about-trump-has-hurt-him-as-much-as-daca-lovefest/
    This DACA lovefest confirms a main thesis of Michael Wolff’s book: When Bannon left. liberal Dems Jared, Ivanka, Cohn & Goldman Sachs took over.

    Nothing Michael Wolff could say about @realDonaldTrump has hurt him as much as the DACA lovefest right now.

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    Ann Coulter has been engaging in doom masturbation since November 8th, 2016 regarding "amnesty".

    Can you even remember how many times you've claimed we've been 'betrayed'?
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  84. 1. The continued presence of 800k DACAs isn’t that big of a deal. I think extending their temporary deferred status is reasonable, if we get something good out of it. We can always revoke it again later.

    2. The Wall ™ isn’t that big of a deal. Going after employers and government staffers who give jobs or services to illegals is much more important and its also easier to do.

    3. This kinda seems like a nothingburger, where we can’t lose much and probably get some minor wins.

    4. What are the specifics (at a policy wonk level) of “end chain migration”? Anybody know what is actually being proposed? Like when we boil it down, are they going to say you can’t bring your cousin but you can still bring your mother to go straight onto social security? If so, put a tally in the black pill column…

    5. I really hope Trump is just grandstanding about “preventing a government shutdown”. A government shutdown over illegal immigrants would be great for him. Probably the best thing that could happen.

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    Not your mother or father. Only your spouse and children.
    , @Jack Hanson
    I get the feeling that Trump would love nothing more than the optics of the Democrats over playing their hand for illegal aliens and pitting employees and federal gimmedats against the illegal alien crowd.
    , @Corn
    “2. The Wall ™ isn’t that big of a deal. Going after employers and government staffers who give jobs or services to illegals is much more important and its also easier to do”

    I tend to agree the Wall itself isn’t as important as drying up the sources of work that draws immigrants here. Which is why it pisses me off that for all his talk about the wall Trump isn’t pushing mandatory E-Verify down the Dems throat. In an electronic age implementing that should be fairly simple but by golly, we can never get around to it.
    , @Noah172
    1. The Goodlatte DACA bill gives the DACAs only renewable work permits, nothing permanent. That's a step in the right direction. Has other good provisions (going off the summary in the WSJ). Still against any deal because of Democrats' extreme bad faith, but it's smart to put reasonable ideas out there to counter the media narrative.

    2. Wall stops drugs (heroin epidemic) and people who come here for reasons other than working legal jobs (gangs, smugglers, terrorists). Wall and interior enforcement are not mutually exclusive, but complementary.

    3. We can lose bigly if 800k get permanent status (which will eventually be citizenship) and we can't stop new illegals and the DACAs get to sponsor relatives.

    4. As I understand it, ending chain migration means nobody beyond spouses and minor children of the sponsor.

    5. Yes, Trump is trying to set up the Democrats to be the bad guys in any shutdown fight. He may not necessarily want one, but he wants to win the PR battle if it happens.
    , @istevefan

    2. The Wall ™ isn’t that big of a deal. Going after employers and government staffers who give jobs or services to illegals is much more important and its also easier to do.
     
    The wall is important because it will create a physical demarcation along a border that sorely needs it. For too long the US has given the world the impression that there are no barriers to entry. Many Mexicans even harbor feelings about being able to retake what they regard as their territory.

    It is true many people come to the USA via planes and the wall won't prevent that. We also won't have a wall along the Canadian border, but it isn't needed. Canada has no designs on our territory and currently their border is not a leaking sieve of inbound immigration and drugs.

    But the southern border is chaotic and needs to have the wall to reestablish some semblance of sovereignty. And its construction will send the right psychological message that entry to the US has some restriction. It will signal that the days of bum-rushing the border are over.

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  85. J.Ross says: • Website

    Gruskos said: Trunp makes nationalists look bad

    Dude the other side’s standard term for us is “Nazi,” even when we’re Jewish!

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  86. IHTG says:
    @27 year old
    1. The continued presence of 800k DACAs isn't that big of a deal. I think extending their temporary deferred status is reasonable, if we get something good out of it. We can always revoke it again later.

    2. The Wall (tm) isn't that big of a deal. Going after employers and government staffers who give jobs or services to illegals is much more important and its also easier to do.

    3. This kinda seems like a nothingburger, where we can't lose much and probably get some minor wins.

    4. What are the specifics (at a policy wonk level) of "end chain migration"? Anybody know what is actually being proposed? Like when we boil it down, are they going to say you can't bring your cousin but you can still bring your mother to go straight onto social security? If so, put a tally in the black pill column...

    5. I really hope Trump is just grandstanding about "preventing a government shutdown". A government shutdown over illegal immigrants would be great for him. Probably the best thing that could happen.

    Not your mother or father. Only your spouse and children.

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  87. nebulafox says:
    @Dmitry

    Think we could get away with giving guards permission to shoot upon being ignored, like India does with Bangladesh?
     
    The 'more evil' Israeli way would be to use all-teenage-girl shooting rooms, that operate remote controlled machine gun posts.

    (Note - before Mondoweiss quotes my post, that this is only fitted along the Gaza border fence, where the people on the other side are often armed.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBW9P6mragU

    Israeli women: emasculating Palestinian men since 1948.

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    I guess this is the face of 'Middle Eastern feminism'.

    Such 'feminism with a Middle Eastern face', reminds of what Herzen said about Russian intellectuals - that they embrace Western ideas, just too strongly, implementing them to the fanatical but logical conclusion that would terrify the originators of those ideas.

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  88. Yak-15 says:
    @Classical Liberal
    https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/950803601508700161

    You guys are on the wrong side of history.

    Yes, in the same sense the Romans were on the wrong side of history when they incorporated the various Germanic and Frankic barbarians into their realm.

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  89. Dmitry says:
    @Anonymous
    Ann Coulter slams Trump again.

    1.8 million twitter followers.

    That's gotta hurt.

    She is insufficiently anti-Bannon also...

    So she's on "Trump's List"

    Trump is smart enough to understand about the importance of loyalty from his supporters (note this is a one way relationship – from his supporters to him). People like Steve Bannon (or perhaps Ann Coulter), can do a lot more damage to him, than people who were never his supporters to begin with.

    In the case of Putin, it was people who were Putin’s earliest backers, that were treated as his first threats. He doesn’t mind people on Ekho Moskvy – they would never vote for him anyway, they can chatter away until end of days.

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    Pure Machiavelli!
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  90. Yak-15 says:
    @anonymouslee
    Well, boomers, you did it.

    One generation born to peace and wealth in the greatest nation in human history destroys that nation in their own lifetime. One generation to flush their ancestors and their children down the toilet at the same time, after robbing both.

    The majority simply had and have no idea what they were/are doing. Regardless, any progress their parents generation made towards a completely post-scarcity civilization has been eradicated.

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  91. MG says:

    Like a blithering idiot Trump fell for the Left’s ploy to destroy Bannon. And now he has caved on DACA Amnesty. With this, #MAGA is dead. I’m done with Trump.

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  92. @Anonymous
    Breitbart just announced Steve Bannon is stepping down as Executive Chairman.

    They need to replace him with Ann Coulter. She'll steer that rag away from all the Zionist love Iran Hate and keep the focus on the real MAGA agenda, not the fake one Trump's been pedaling which should be renamed MIGA -- Make Israel Great Again or Make India Great Again, take your pick. He's never going to do anything about H1b.

    No chance in hell they pick a patriot like Coulter. The political and media class know what Ann stands for, which is everything they oppose.

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  93. @utu
    Ann Coulter

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/09/ann-coulter-nothing-michael-wolff-could-say-about-trump-has-hurt-him-as-much-as-daca-lovefest/
    This DACA lovefest confirms a main thesis of Michael Wolff's book: When Bannon left. liberal Dems Jared, Ivanka, Cohn & Goldman Sachs took over.

    Nothing Michael Wolff could say about @realDonaldTrump has hurt him as much as the DACA lovefest right now.
     

    Ann Coulter has been engaging in doom masturbation since November 8th, 2016 regarding “amnesty”.

    Can you even remember how many times you’ve claimed we’ve been ‘betrayed’?

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    And if it weren't for Ann sounding the alarm, where would we be?
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Jackoff Hanson: he of the rosy-colored-glasses-palmed hands.
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  94. @Jack Hanson
    800k voters who are gonna run up the score in Cali and NY in exchange for the wall, an end to chain migration, and the diversity visa? You have an issue with that?

    This is why he's President and you comment on a niche blog.

    Yeah, to me it all comes down to numbers and quality of immigrant.

    In the ultimate deal — if there is one — how many current illegal immigrants will be granted permanent status now or later? How many future immigrants will be allowed, and how many illegal immigrants will be enabled or encouraged to come by a lack of enforcement? And how well vetted will be the legal immigrants?

    If we allow 800K illegal immigrants to be granted some kind of permanent status, and get in return a reduction by half of the legal immigrants in the future, and very good enforcement to reduce further illegal immigration to a small fraction of today’s, that’s a very good deal. The status quo is vastly worse. If there are a million legal immigrants a year, and that could be reduced by half to 500K, then within two years of further delay we’d be worse off than if we did a deal for 800K.

    Any number bigger than 800K starts to make the deal less satisfactory, especially since others will be encouraged to come illegally. And of course the enforcement has to be real, because otherwise there’s no point–we’ve solved nothing.

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  95. Dmitry says:
    @nebulafox
    Israeli women: emasculating Palestinian men since 1948.

    I guess this is the face of ‘Middle Eastern feminism’.

    Such ‘feminism with a Middle Eastern face’, reminds of what Herzen said about Russian intellectuals – that they embrace Western ideas, just too strongly, implementing them to the fanatical but logical conclusion that would terrify the originators of those ideas.

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  96. Redman says:
    @Whiskey
    Lesson it's never ok to be White. Also White men with daughters always cuck out.

    As a white man with 2 daughters I don’t get where your coming from? If anything, I’m more firm on immigration control (and the Wall) than I was before I had daughters.

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  97. @27 year old
    1. The continued presence of 800k DACAs isn't that big of a deal. I think extending their temporary deferred status is reasonable, if we get something good out of it. We can always revoke it again later.

    2. The Wall (tm) isn't that big of a deal. Going after employers and government staffers who give jobs or services to illegals is much more important and its also easier to do.

    3. This kinda seems like a nothingburger, where we can't lose much and probably get some minor wins.

    4. What are the specifics (at a policy wonk level) of "end chain migration"? Anybody know what is actually being proposed? Like when we boil it down, are they going to say you can't bring your cousin but you can still bring your mother to go straight onto social security? If so, put a tally in the black pill column...

    5. I really hope Trump is just grandstanding about "preventing a government shutdown". A government shutdown over illegal immigrants would be great for him. Probably the best thing that could happen.

    I get the feeling that Trump would love nothing more than the optics of the Democrats over playing their hand for illegal aliens and pitting employees and federal gimmedats against the illegal alien crowd.

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  98. Redman says:
    @e
    Ted Cruz, liar and backstabber
    Rand Paul, prig

    Agree re Cruz. His convention speech will be shown for many years. A total sellout.

    But why is Paul a prig?

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  99. Redman says:
    @Sal Paradise
    Could Ted Cruz have won a national election though? I have my doubts he could have won the rust belt states Trump won and that’s the only electoral path to victory Republicans have at this point.

    But,man,Trump has turned out a lot worse than I expected. I would not have taken heat for supporting him from friends/family if I knew this was the result.

    Trump seems to be a nationalist at heart but he ultimately wants to be loved more than anything else, so the media/elite globalism wins out.

    This must win the thread for dumbest comment. Or maybe for the entire year of threads.

    Trump showed more balls than any politician in my lifetime. Full stop. His debate performance in South Carolina with all of the cucks and neocons hissing him was classic.

    “The Iraq War was based on a big …f$@king (I mean fat) lie.” Wanting to be loved in a natural human emotion (and often weakness). That ain’t Trump’s flaw.

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  100. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous
    You guys don't seem to understand. Trump enjoys cucking his erstwhile friends and allies. He has a fetish for it. He lives for it. So the fact that he's cucking his base, supporters, voters isn't surprising at all. He gets off on it:

    " Book: Trump Said Sex With Friends’ Wives Made Life Worth Living – Put Them On Speakerphone, Tricked Husbands "

    https://www.inquisitr.com/4716668/book-trump-said-sex-with-friends-wives-made-life-worth-living-put-them-on-speakerphone-tricked-husbands/

    When Trump allegedly would have a particular wife he was chasing listen in on the speakerphone secretly while Trump would question the husband in his office about whether or not the man still liked having sex with his wife, and if he hadn’t had better sex with some other woman than his wife.

    Going further in his alleged attempts to get the particular husband in trouble, Trump purportedly tempted the married man in his office to cheat on his wife by stating that Trump had “girls coming in from Los Angeles at three o’clock.” Trump would allegedly promise the man that they could “go upstairs and have a great time.” Whatever the man’s answer would be, the wife would hear it over the speakerphone.

    Putting aside the morality of this (and believe me, when dealing with the likes of Pelosi and Schumer, you have to put aside all morality), this is brilliant in a Machiavellian sense. Trump is exactly the kind of guy you need to be playing divide and conquer tricks against the Dems. Schumer thinks that he is Mr. SAT 800, but Trump has him totally beat in NY Street Smarts.

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  101. Redman says:
    @KevinB
    I hope it's a negotiating tactic. But if not, and Trump grants any form of amnesty, he won't survive the primaries, let alone the general. And most likely, he will not even be able to govern during the remainder of his term. You can't back away from the signature issue that put you into office and expect any kind of support.

    If it were up to me, I would be widening the Overton window on the topic of immigration, not narrowing it. Forceful, boots on the ground enforcement coupled with expanding the class of "deportables" would give him far more leverage over policy. But who knows anymore. Reading tea leaves in a world where up is down and right is left is inherently impossible. The world went mad some time ago and I fear there's no stopping the inevitable descent to where madness always ends.

    However, one would think it would be clear to Trump who his allies are, and more importantly, who are his enemies. The Miller CNN interview made that distinction absolutely crystal clear. But perhaps, Trump believes he can turn our class of nobles, and have them bend the knee.

    Regardless, events are going to start taking on a life of their own. Our country's debt, combined with ever diminishing productivity from importing low IQ dependents, who cannot possibly make a go of things without government support (made even more dependent in our climate of rapid automation), guarantees a liquidity crises at some point in the future. CA will most likely be the first to come under fiscal stress due to its outsized debt (1 $trillion +), its over-reliance on capital gains to make the state payroll and and 35% rate of medicaid use. A trifecta of dysfunction.

    So I say bring it on and let's get the show on the road. The sooner the crackpots start the great unraveling, the sooner a new order can emerge that hopefully acknowledges the real world of cause and effect as opposed to current popular understandings that are essentially based on witchcraft and voodoo. Things will most likely be worse after a collapse, but at least the sociopaths that created these energies will be stripped of their assets by the very monsters they helped create.

    Winter is coming and time is running out for Trump to do anything meaningful to stop it.

    OT-but related to lowering the national IQ and the reversal of the Flynn effect.

    What’s up with NASA’s new rocket failing to reach orbit? Are we regressing on the mission to seek strange new worlds and new civilizations? Is this all there will ever be?

    2001 A Space Odyssey was the top grossing film in 1969, the year of my birth. I haven’t seen a Hollywood Film (in a theater) in 7 years, and shudder to think what this year’s box office winner might have been. Pixar is my guess.

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    2001 A Space Odyssey came out and was the top grossing movie in 1968, not 1969. Compared to the Star Wars movies scientifically, it is a giant among dwarfs. No sound in the vacuum of space, no turning spacecraft as though they were maneuvering in an atmosphere, etc.

    I saw it at a huge theatre on Wiltshire Boulevard; on the basis of the “wows” and “far outs” I heard during the final sequence, I would have guessed that a fourth of the audience was stoned on grass or tripping on LSD.
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  102. @Jack Hanson
    Gonna bookmark this thread so I have a handy reference when, after the DACA deadline comes and goes and the wall goes up, I can mock the blackpilled eeyores when they make their sweeping wrong predictions.

    What will you do if they’re right? I hope you are.

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  103. George says:

    Up to 200 refugees to leave Manus Island and Nauru for United States in January

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/up-to-200-refugees-to-leave-manus-island-and-nauru-for-united-states-in-january-20171214-h0531z.html

    I think you can argue that the DACA kids here and there was nowhere to easily deport them. But the Manus Is refugees are Australia’s problem.

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  104. @Thomas
    Not good right now. The hot take now is that this meeting was supposed to be a rebuttal to "Fire and Fury" and the "Trump is mentally incompetent" meme going around, showing that he can actually run a meeting and "get something done." Perhaps it doesn't matter to him if what he "gets done" means throwing his agenda, the one that got him elected and is the one thing his base is still invested in him over, just so long he has something to hit back with at the last slight to him. But if today's meeting was as bad as it looks, it winds up confirming the book's claim that the last person to talk to him has his ear and he basically has no attention span. It sounds like he's just going to go along with whatever the GOPe establishment and Democrats put in front of him.

    The lesson of the last decade since the push late in Bush's term for amnesty is that the most dangerous time for it is probably under a Republican President, given how that might neutralize opposition. Trump saying today that he'll "take the heat" for "comprehensive immigration reform" demonstrates the point. Sad irony if the first President to run so strongly against amnesty turns out to be the only one who could deliver it.

    One of Trump’s most inexplicable comments was his offer to “take the heat” for passage of “comprehensive immigration reform.”

    So he is boasting that he will sell out his supporters?

    Also odd was his apparent offer to sign any bill put in front of him.

    Can someone explain how those statements help him?

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  105. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Well, boomers, you did it.
    One generation born to peace and wealth in the greatest nation in human history destroys that nation in their own lifetime. One generation to flush their ancestors and their children down the toilet at the same time, after robbing both.
     
    Don't disagree we're a shitty generation, but ...

    (((Emanuel Cellar))) and Phillip Hart weren't boomers.
    Lyndon Johnson wasn't a boomer.
    Alan Simpson and Romano Mazzolli aren't boomers.
    Ronald Reagan wasn't a boomer.
    George H.W. Bush isn't a boomer.
    John McCain isn't a boomer.

    There are a lot of criminals and screw-ups involved in this mess who aren't boomers. Most of the damage was set in motion by "Greatest Generation" and "Silent Generation" politicians, "intellectuals", propagandists and good-thinkers who often (the goyim) didn't really understand the nature of the disaster they were setting loose.

    In contrast
    Peter Brimelow is a boomer.
    Mark Krikorian is a boomer.
    Jared Taylor is a boomer.
    Steve Sailer is a boomer.
    John Derbyshire ... ok, he's actually a war baby on the cusp.
    Ann Coulter is a boomer.
    (((Mickey Kaus))) is a boomer.
    Steve Bannon (whatever the heck he is) is a boomer.
    Jeff Sessions is a boomer.
    Donald Trump is a boomer.

    There are traitors, criminals and screw-ups in all these generations. And a few heroes as well.

    So-called ‘greatest generation’ and early boomers also got all their benefits–many of them didn’t even pay into the system compared with those who came later. The rest of us are gonna get the shaft; it’s starting already.

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  106. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Dmitry
    To repeat my earlier comment. The Sinai border 'hi-tech smart fence' cost $470 million to construct and it was 250 kilometers. It managed to stop the illegal immigration trade from the Sinai. The government claims that zero illegal immigrants crossed the border in 2017 (before the fence was built, thousands were crossing every month).

    The US-Mexico border is 3000 kilometers long. So extrapolating from the Sinai border fence example, it would cost $5.6 billion to build the same style of 'hi-tech smart fence' across the length of the US-Mexico border - which is not a huge expenditure in proportion to US federal budgets.

    The proviso to my above comments, is that this type of fence has to be patrolled to be effective (on the Sinai, it is fitted with motion sensors and command and control rooms, which alert the soldiers patrolling it).

    In addition, the fence on the Sinai is not particularly impressive to look at. For Trump to get truly excited by, and attached to, the wall project - the designs presented to him will have to be more impressive looking (with an associated increase in cost).

    We simply need to do as the Israelis do. Kudos to Trump for mentioning it–and of course with the customary ‘news’ blackout for anything which doesn’t fit The Narrative, I hadn’t heard he did.

    That is SUCH important pricing information you supplied about the ‘hi-tech smart fence’ and it should be disseminated as widely as possible.

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    Also, the term "high-tech smart fence" is good branding.
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  107. MBlanc46 says:
    @anonymouslee
    Well, boomers, you did it.

    One generation born to peace and wealth in the greatest nation in human history destroys that nation in their own lifetime. One generation to flush their ancestors and their children down the toilet at the same time, after robbing both.

    I’m an early Boomer. I was 19 when the 1965 immigration bill was passed. I wasn’t even eligible to vote. My generation have contributed greatly to the mess, but many of the worst deeds were done before we reached adulthood.

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  108. @IHTG
    This already happened in September once (in fact it was worse then) and you saw how that turned out. Blackpillers relax.

    https://twitter.com/jawillick/status/950854284651966469
    https://twitter.com/SuzGamboa/status/950852271956410368

    It’s different this time.

    Although it could still go our way. But steeper odds now, different circumstances.

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  109. @Lucas McCrudy
    Historians will one day list the failure of the US to effectively close its border to Latin America's peasant class and take the steps needed to remove most of its illegal population (look to Israel for an example!) as a key factor in its demise.
    You're posting shows an obvious ignorance about human biodiversity and the low human capital of most illegals. The bulk of these "dreamers" are Mestizos and Mesoamerican Indians- Mestizos and Amerindians have consistently higher rates of poverty, illegitimacy, welfare use and crime, extending across multiple generations, than either Jews, Asians or whites (including those Hispanics of Spanish or other Euro descent). Due to our gov't's foolish immigration policies this demographic is exploding in size, something that apparently doesn't bother you in the least.
    So only a lunatic would consider turning the richest and most technologically advanced country in human history into a Third World hellhole due to immigration policies that could easily be changed to be on the "right side of history."

    What the F difference does it make if they have low human capital…do you want to replace The Native Born White American Majority Population with Chinese…Koreans…Hindus?

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  110. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle
    I have a TV in my kitchen. It only plays one channel - Fox News. I have a number of modern TVs in other rooms but in the kitchen I watch a used old CRT TV that I bought on Craig's List for $10..

    A few years ago when I was in the kitchen getting a cup of coffee and Shepard Smith in New York said " It looks like there is an airliner in the middle of the East River". And indeed there was. Most of you only saw this in the Tom Hanks movie but I saw it live as it happened.

    Today I saw another remarkable news event on my kitchen TV. Trump presided over a bi-partisan meeting over DACA and immigration.

    Great TV. Great, great, great.

    I have a TV in my kitchen. It only plays one channel – Fox News. I have a number of modern TVs in other rooms but in the kitchen I watch a used old CRT TV that I bought on Craig’s List for $10…

    Great TV. Great, great, great.

    Good Lord you are weird.

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  111. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lucas McCrudy
    Historians will one day list the failure of the US to effectively close its border to Latin America's peasant class and take the steps needed to remove most of its illegal population (look to Israel for an example!) as a key factor in its demise.
    You're posting shows an obvious ignorance about human biodiversity and the low human capital of most illegals. The bulk of these "dreamers" are Mestizos and Mesoamerican Indians- Mestizos and Amerindians have consistently higher rates of poverty, illegitimacy, welfare use and crime, extending across multiple generations, than either Jews, Asians or whites (including those Hispanics of Spanish or other Euro descent). Due to our gov't's foolish immigration policies this demographic is exploding in size, something that apparently doesn't bother you in the least.
    So only a lunatic would consider turning the richest and most technologically advanced country in human history into a Third World hellhole due to immigration policies that could easily be changed to be on the "right side of history."

    Historians will one day list the failure of the US to effectively close its border to Latin America’s peasant class and take the steps needed to remove most of its illegal population (look to Israel for an example!) as a key factor in its demise.

    Historians of the future will do no such thing. You seem to have forgotten that the victors write the history. Historians of the future will be woke to the liberation happening now.

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    Not the historians of eastern Europe and China!!!!! They will look at the ruins of the former United States of America and conclude that its feckless dithering in stopping and reversing the deluge of largely low IQ peasants from Latin America (and elsewhere) as a key factor in it's economic, political, technological and military demise.
    FACT: Mestizos/Indios average an IQ of about 89, which holds steady across multiple generations and is lower than the median IQ of Asians, Jews and white gentiles. Low IQ is indelibly linked with poverty, welfare use, illegitimacy and crime, a phenomenon well documented in 1994's The Bell Curve.
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  112. Felix... says:

    The calculus here is very simple: if a deal is struck, we will be shafted. The reason for this is equally simple: the democrats will not agree to any deal that is not advantageous to them.

    Immigrants are like cash money for the democrats: they’re not going to accept a deal that buys them 800,000 dreamers at the cost of changes to the immigration system that result in a decrease of >800,000 immigrants in the future. Anyone who thinks we will end up with a compromise that legalizes the DACA illegals while at the same time making the immigration system restrictive enough to make up for it is delusional. Why would the democrats possibly agree to such a thing? The best case scenario is talks collapse or the bill fails to pass in the house like previous amnesty attempts. If a deal is passed with democrat support and Trump signs it it means the left won.

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    the democrats will not agree to any deal that is not advantageous to them.

    Immigrants are like cash money for the democrats: they’re not going to accept a deal
     
    Donnelly, Tester, McCaskill, Heitkamp, Manchin, Baldwin, Nelson, and Casey are Democratic Senators from states Trump won in 2016. The first five are from states Trump won by 20+% landslides.

    Some of those Dems would be well advised to consider voting for a Trump compromise.

    But yes, most possible compromises are terrible. In particular, a start on the wall in exchange for amnesty looks like the most likely compromise. That would be awful.
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  114. @Dmitry
    To repeat my earlier comment. The Sinai border 'hi-tech smart fence' cost $470 million to construct and it was 250 kilometers. It managed to stop the illegal immigration trade from the Sinai. The government claims that zero illegal immigrants crossed the border in 2017 (before the fence was built, thousands were crossing every month).

    The US-Mexico border is 3000 kilometers long. So extrapolating from the Sinai border fence example, it would cost $5.6 billion to build the same style of 'hi-tech smart fence' across the length of the US-Mexico border - which is not a huge expenditure in proportion to US federal budgets.

    The proviso to my above comments, is that this type of fence has to be patrolled to be effective (on the Sinai, it is fitted with motion sensors and command and control rooms, which alert the soldiers patrolling it).

    In addition, the fence on the Sinai is not particularly impressive to look at. For Trump to get truly excited by, and attached to, the wall project - the designs presented to him will have to be more impressive looking (with an associated increase in cost).

    The proviso to my above comments, is that this type of fence has to be patrolled to be effective (on the Sinai, it is fitted with motion sensors and command and control rooms, which alert the soldiers patrolling it).

    We have the man- and woman-power to do it.

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  115. IDFK says:

    Yeah, to me it all comes down to numbers and quality of immigrant.

    To me, that means you haven’t thought it through much, nor do you have respect for numbers. They’re abstract to you, so you sit on your ass at the keyboard, tossing out opinions like a gay french king, with unintended comedic results.

    We have hundreds of millions of people here. How many more is enough for you?

    10 million? 20 million? 100 million?

    Why, or why not. And how does adding another 10 million fertile immigrants from foreign lands, many who have to be dragged kicking and screaming into actual american culture, dramatically add to our quality of life as it stands now? How will importing more potential super-consumers with limited skill sets when they arrive, and when they die, and their accompanying trash help your kids have a better life in the future? Why do you think desalinization plants dotting the coast of California is a good thing, all in all? A desert scrubland doesn’t water itself, bub. Those millions of yours need watering, and trash pickup. How does their sending money they make here back to their host country help our local economy? Or unless it’s a starbucks, they can go fuck themselves? How’s your logic work?

    I don’t think we need 1 person more for at least a decade.

    Tell us what you think you figured out and why. Doing so might actually force you into thinking about the subject rationally, instead of talking out of your ass.

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    Excellent comment.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Amen! I couldn't agree more.
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  116. neutral says:
    @Ed
    I swear some you guys trashing Trump on this have not been paying attention to this issue all that much.

    Trump admin has been very aggressive on immigration. He’s removed status from Haitians and Central Americans. The number of refugees this first quarter has plummeted to 5000 the lowest figure in 40 years.
    Interior arrests are up as more are thrown in deportation proceedings.

    During the Bush & especially Obama years illegals would get their sob stories in the press and within a few days their cases were dropped or suspended. Not so much under Trump.

    Trump did this meeting because of the Wolfe book. He’s been pretty clear that DACA in exchange for his wants. Also gop house will release their own bill tomorrow which is very conservative. The DACA kids will get status if that alone upsets you, oh well.

    You need to put this in perspective, amnesty is basically creating a lot of Democrat voters in an instant. This will produce so many more voters than all the other stuff you have mentioned, this single betrayal destroys the stuff you mentioned by a huge margin.

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    Whether DACA kids get a path to citizenship or just work permits is still being debated. For sure GOP types like Graham want a path but many other draw the line there.
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  117. I always thought trump would wait to start the wall until later in his term, so he could point to it as a work in progress that needed his reelection for completion. I don’t care if it works, it sends the right message.

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  118. Travis says:
    @rogue-one
    Trump got elected on the immigration. If he gives up on DACA his base will abandon him.

    He will go down in history as worst president ever.

    he is still better than George W. Bush and Obama…but he will lose his base if the wall is not fully funded and being built over the next 6 months.

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  119. @Anonymous
    You guys don't seem to understand. Trump enjoys cucking his erstwhile friends and allies. He has a fetish for it. He lives for it. So the fact that he's cucking his base, supporters, voters isn't surprising at all. He gets off on it:

    " Book: Trump Said Sex With Friends’ Wives Made Life Worth Living – Put Them On Speakerphone, Tricked Husbands "

    https://www.inquisitr.com/4716668/book-trump-said-sex-with-friends-wives-made-life-worth-living-put-them-on-speakerphone-tricked-husbands/

    You guys don’t seem to understand. Trump enjoys cucking his erstwhile friends and allies. He has a fetish for it. He lives for it. So the fact that he’s cucking his base, supporters, voters isn’t surprising at all. He gets off on it:

    Breaking promises to supporters isn’t a new phenomenon. It’s been around probably since the first tribal chieftain took power. There’s no need to coin a new word for it. And to use the word “cuck” is stupid. Marriage vows are in no way similar to promises made to complete strangers, in exchange for a few minutes in a voting booth. I’d say a broken campaign promise bears more of a resemblance to a john welshing on his promise to pay a hooker, except the hooker is actually providing more of a service to the john than the average voter.

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  120. utu says:

    Breitbart commentariat divided on Bannon ousting.

    Stephen K. Bannon Steps Down from Breitbart News Network

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/09/stephen-k-bannon-steps-breitbart-news-network/

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  121. @Jack Hanson
    800k voters who are gonna run up the score in Cali and NY in exchange for the wall, an end to chain migration, and the diversity visa? You have an issue with that?

    This is why he's President and you comment on a niche blog.

    Trump is POTUS because he is a narcissistic psychopath…only narcissistic psychopaths can be elected POTUS….

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  122. IDFK says:

    Meanwhile, an illegal immigrant child rapist befuddles police in California as he zig-zags back to El Salvador. Since he’s a beneficiary of Governor Brown’s foreign policy, he provides child rape victims a new meaning for the nickname, “Jerry’s Kids.”

    http://www.illegalaliencrimereport.com/crimes-against-children/media-blackout-illegal-alien-raped-5-year-old-girl-in-california/

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  123. eah says:

    No idea.

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  124. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “They’re only a million” will be the epitaph of the U.S.

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  125. Corn says:
    @John Gruskos
    Stephen Miller convinced us all to vote for the wrong candidate.

    Ted Cruz would have implemented an America First immigration policy, Rand Paul would have implemented an America First foreign policy, and they would have done so with a modicum of dignity.

    Trump is the worst of both worlds. He makes nationalism look bad with his buffoonery while implementing the globalist agenda.

    “Ted Cruz would have implemented an America First immigration policy”

    Whatever disagreements one has with Trump, I have no reason to believe this is true.

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    Ted Cruz has the best Numbers USA score of any senator, and during the primaries he had the highest Numbers USA rating of any candidate.
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  126. TheBoom says:

    The only reason there is any support among Trump’s base for DACA is that, like everything else involving immigration, it is being sold with lies. The biggest lie is that the “dreamers” were all brought to the countries as infants and have no ties to their homelands when they could have come over as old as 15.

    The only way I can see anything positive from Trump’s current position is if he is acting conciliatory because he knows the democrats won’t compromise, placing all the blame on them.

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  127. ic1000 says:
    @Classical Liberal
    https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/950803601508700161

    You guys are on the wrong side of history.

    > You guys are on the wrong side of history.

    It’s hard to communicate nuance on the internet. Are you saying that with glee, regret, disdain, sorrow, or delight?

    A glance at America’s ruling elites shows the character of your “right side”. The public virtues are at historic lows, and still sinking.

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  128. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Classical Liberal
    https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/950803601508700161

    You guys are on the wrong side of history.

    Everything about that tweet — the overreliance on polls, the “with us” litmus test logic, the simplification of the position of a proven master negotiator — shows “not one step [forward]” since the election by the Clintoniots.

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  129. Corn says:
    @27 year old
    1. The continued presence of 800k DACAs isn't that big of a deal. I think extending their temporary deferred status is reasonable, if we get something good out of it. We can always revoke it again later.

    2. The Wall (tm) isn't that big of a deal. Going after employers and government staffers who give jobs or services to illegals is much more important and its also easier to do.

    3. This kinda seems like a nothingburger, where we can't lose much and probably get some minor wins.

    4. What are the specifics (at a policy wonk level) of "end chain migration"? Anybody know what is actually being proposed? Like when we boil it down, are they going to say you can't bring your cousin but you can still bring your mother to go straight onto social security? If so, put a tally in the black pill column...

    5. I really hope Trump is just grandstanding about "preventing a government shutdown". A government shutdown over illegal immigrants would be great for him. Probably the best thing that could happen.

    “2. The Wall ™ isn’t that big of a deal. Going after employers and government staffers who give jobs or services to illegals is much more important and its also easier to do”

    I tend to agree the Wall itself isn’t as important as drying up the sources of work that draws immigrants here. Which is why it pisses me off that for all his talk about the wall Trump isn’t pushing mandatory E-Verify down the Dems throat. In an electronic age implementing that should be fairly simple but by golly, we can never get around to it.

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    Economic growth in Mexico might also be a useful factor in the future - in reducing or even reversing some of the immigration.

    If/when Mexico becomes a developed country (or even just reaches per capita GDP PPP of say current Russia), the motive to emigrate will be a lot less. In addition, immigrants crossing Mexico from other parts of Latin America, will be more likely to stay in Mexico, rather than attempting to continue.

    If you look at emigration graphs for FSU, they skyrocketed in the 1990s. By the 2000s (when living standards in Russia were rising fast - mainly due to price of oil), this rate of emigration fell by a factor of 10, and there were also many people who returned to their home country.

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  130. @Jack Hanson
    800k voters who are gonna run up the score in Cali and NY in exchange for the wall, an end to chain migration, and the diversity visa? You have an issue with that?

    This is why he's President and you comment on a niche blog.

    And Georgia and Texas and North Carolina…
    It’s not 1990 anymore.

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    Its doom o clock where every DACA recipient is eligible to vote and always the swing vote in safe red states.

    Or did you really believe Texas and Georgia were in play last election cause L O L.

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  131. eah says:

    jury voter nullification’

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  132. Here is the analogy:

    People afflicted with Lou Gehrig’s disease will have what looks like..to a certain degree…remission of symptoms and halting of disease progression. And they think that this has happened because of some herbal concoction they have taken for weeks…They end up dying within the ALS three year time period on a bi-pap machine at night…Death highly inevitable within three years..That’s the way it is with ALS…

    The Policy Wonkery I read in the above comments just gives the illusion that the America can survive as two hostile race-based Nations existing within the borders of Cornball Proposition State America….with DACA…without DACA….America will cease to exist…the expiration date is already out there in the aether….And you are going to hate what comes after post-90 percent Majority Native Born White America….this is not to say that there is not a way to reverse the situation…but your gonna have to stay out of NCAA Div 1 SEC Football Stadiums….

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    The Policy Wonkery I read in the above comments just gives the illusion that the America can survive as two hostile race-based Nations existing within the borders of Cornball Proposition State America.

    Why can't it? There are many multiracial countries.

    And you are going to hate what comes after post-90 percent Majority Native Born White America….

    What comes after?

    your gonna have to stay out of NCAA Div 1 SEC Football Stadiums….

    What do football stadiums have to do with anything?
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  133. @truthman
    If DACA is passed in conjunction with visa lottery abolition and reduction to chain migration I think that's a deal worth taking, if in fact it meant much less legal immigration. Actually getting a legal immigration reduction through congress would be a huge accomplishment.
    The last big amnesty of 1986 was coupled with an increase in legal immigration. The gang of 8 monstrosity of 2013-2014 envisioned a huge amnesty plus legal immigration increase, so imho actually getting legal immigration reduction, even if purchased with some form of amnesty is a lot better. Sort of a glass half empty, half full situation.
    I think there was some Ron Unz guy who advocated this idea as well.

    No. DACA for a border fence, e-verify, no more chain migration etc etc is a bad deal, because all those other things can be reversed in the minute of the next Democratic President’s term. But the longer the “dreamers” are here, the harder it’ll be to deport them. They’ll all have anchor babies, US citizen spouses, and new sob stories.

    Why is Trump even negotiating? He holds all the cards; he can end DACA with his pen, he can expel every last illegal of every stripe by exercising his executive authority (in fact he’s violating his oath of office every day he doesn’t expel them). He can declare that we’ve been invaded (which is true) and order enough of the US Army along the Mexican border that we won’t need a wall at all. He has authority to end the whole refugee racket. He can order our consulates to stop giving any more visas.

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    What Trump can't do by himself is change the law on immigration so that it eliminates the visa lottery and chain immigration. Those might reduce immigration by half.

    That is a very good part of the game here. He needs something to trade for these reductions.
    , @Parsifal
    And what happens when Trump leaves office? Maybe Pence or some other Republican gets elected, maybe not. If not, a Democrat president can reverse it all within days...The whole point is to have a wall ans an immigration system that outlives the Trump presidency.
    , @AnotherDad

    Why is Trump even negotiating? He holds all the cards; he can end DACA with his pen, he can expel every last illegal of every stripe by exercising his executive authority (in fact he’s violating his oath of office every day he doesn’t expel them). He can declare that we’ve been invaded (which is true) and order enough of the US Army along the Mexican border that we won’t need a wall at all. He has authority to end the whole refugee racket. He can order our consulates to stop giving any more visas.
     
    Excellent IJ.

    I'm open to Trump making a deal on DACA--with a lot of screening so it's not some nonsense number like 800K--in order to get legal changes on things like mandatory E-verify, end to chain migration.

    But you're absolutely right. Trump needs to step up and use the executive authority he has. Enforce the law, seal the border, ramp up deportations, close down the refugee nonsense, and order consulates to be tight with any immigration visas according to whatever program he wishes.
    , @istevefan

    order enough of the US Army along the Mexican border that we won’t need a wall at all.
     
    One of the historical missions of the US Army was doing border duty along the southern border.
    , @Dmitry

    He can declare that we’ve been invaded (which is true) and order enough of the US Army along the Mexican border that we won’t need a wall at all.
     
    The army along the border by itself, without the help of physical barriers/sensors, is obviously not sufficient to stop illegal infiltration.

    It is very difficult in terms of manpower, to cover thousand kilometer borders from infiltrators - who cross at night, usually in the weakest sectors, at the points where they have the advantage of natural geographical features and so on.

    I also believe there are legal issues (although I have very little knowledge about this area, so I might be wrong). It usually seems that once the illegal immigrants cross the international border, the country is obligated to take them into a detention center.

    The key is to stop them from physically crossing the border, and that requires some kind of very effective physical barrier/fence/wall that alerts the army patrols to an attempt to cross the border. The army (or border protection force) can then physically stop the border crossing from occurring.

    , @Anon
    We need to export Dreamers to make their jobs available to native US citizens. A decline in unemployment means the demand for workers will rise, and our wages will rise. White people will be making more money and be in a better financial position. This will increase support for Trump and make it more likely that he'll win in 2020. Trump's an idiot if he doesn't see this. He's kidding himself if he thinks the Dreamers will vote for him. They'll be thinking about their parents who are still illegal, and whom Trump won't legalize. They'll be thinking about every single one of their relatives who is stuck in Mexico that Trump locked out. They'll vote Democrat, period.

    The US does not benefit from making 900,000 Dreamers with an average IQ of 90 into US citizens. We don't have enough blue collar jobs available for them. We have an entire lower class of whites and blacks who who need those jobs who are either on welfare or unemployment.

    But 900,000 Americanized Dreamers deported to Mexico, who no longer accept the typical Mexican way things are done, could revolutionize Mexico and change their own society for the better.

    I don't know why people don't see these points. They're obvious.
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  134. Berty says:

    It’s been my impression that ever since Trump was elected the strategy of the establishment wing of the Republican party has been to position Trump as a stooge for the policies which Republican congressmen want to implement, once they figure out what they want to do. Especially when establishment types were hired in to the Trump administration, such as Mnuchin and Cohn, and when Congressmen discovered that Trump’s version of policy was taking credit for signing other people’s bills, not of achieving policy objectives (which is really boring detail work, in his universe). Which is why Trump says one thing, then takes credit for signing bills which have little to do with what Trump said. While also giving political cover to congressmen for the bills that actually get passed, at least in theory.

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  135. @International Jew
    No. DACA for a border fence, e-verify, no more chain migration etc etc is a bad deal, because all those other things can be reversed in the minute of the next Democratic President's term. But the longer the "dreamers" are here, the harder it'll be to deport them. They'll all have anchor babies, US citizen spouses, and new sob stories.

    Why is Trump even negotiating? He holds all the cards; he can end DACA with his pen, he can expel every last illegal of every stripe by exercising his executive authority (in fact he's violating his oath of office every day he doesn't expel them). He can declare that we've been invaded (which is true) and order enough of the US Army along the Mexican border that we won't need a wall at all. He has authority to end the whole refugee racket. He can order our consulates to stop giving any more visas.

    What Trump can’t do by himself is change the law on immigration so that it eliminates the visa lottery and chain immigration. Those might reduce immigration by half.

    That is a very good part of the game here. He needs something to trade for these reductions.

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    International Jew has already located the problem with your policy wonkery:WE ARE UP AGAINST A NONWHITE DEMOGRAPHIC TSUNAMI!!....that will reverse Trump in 2020...
    , @Opinionator
    Could he just order the relevant agencies to stop processing visas?
    , @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro
    Agree , Needs to end the diversity lottery, build the wall and cap legal Immigration at 950,000 per year....any green card given to a dreamer will reduce the number of green cards available.

    Ideally we would cap Legal immigration 450,000 per year, but not a single politician in congress today would even propose such a reduction. We will be fortunate to see an end to the diversity lottery, which is how most Africans and Muslims obtain green cards.
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  136. @candid_observer
    What Trump can't do by himself is change the law on immigration so that it eliminates the visa lottery and chain immigration. Those might reduce immigration by half.

    That is a very good part of the game here. He needs something to trade for these reductions.

    International Jew has already located the problem with your policy wonkery:WE ARE UP AGAINST A NONWHITE DEMOGRAPHIC TSUNAMI!!….that will reverse Trump in 2020…

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  137. @Dmitry
    The important thing for Trump is the wall. It's a construction project, afterall.

    The important thing for Trump is the wall. It’s a construction project, afterall.

    The important things i see are:

    1) Trump not folding/cucking.
    If he’s going to give on DACA he needs to get *everything*–the Wall, mandatory E-verify, end of diversity lottery, end of refugee racket, end of birthright citizenship, clampdown on H-1B, end/constrict chain migration, reduced numbers. Since the Democrats are committed to legalize DACA and making DACA a pout-pout emotive pig pile for the girls, Trump needs to do some judo and use that against them. Hold them over the fire.

    2) Trump *hammering* home the point that the Democrats/left do not want border security.
    The Democrats/left ideologically believe in open borders, believe anyone should be allowed to come here. They do not believe Americans (nor any white people) have a right to keep people out of their nations. The Democrats want illegals to continue to stream in, followed by repeated amnesties. Because a) they are clients for the super-state and b) they reduce the voting power of deplorables to resist the super-state.

    Trump must shred the fiction that there’s any good-faith here, and it’s just an argument about policy and budget. Trump must get ordinary Americans to understand that the Democxrats aren’t a “loyal opposition” but simply do not want border security, because they are a treason party bent on replacing Americans with foreigners.

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  138. @candid_observer
    What Trump can't do by himself is change the law on immigration so that it eliminates the visa lottery and chain immigration. Those might reduce immigration by half.

    That is a very good part of the game here. He needs something to trade for these reductions.

    Could he just order the relevant agencies to stop processing visas?

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  139. Parsifal says:
    @International Jew
    No. DACA for a border fence, e-verify, no more chain migration etc etc is a bad deal, because all those other things can be reversed in the minute of the next Democratic President's term. But the longer the "dreamers" are here, the harder it'll be to deport them. They'll all have anchor babies, US citizen spouses, and new sob stories.

    Why is Trump even negotiating? He holds all the cards; he can end DACA with his pen, he can expel every last illegal of every stripe by exercising his executive authority (in fact he's violating his oath of office every day he doesn't expel them). He can declare that we've been invaded (which is true) and order enough of the US Army along the Mexican border that we won't need a wall at all. He has authority to end the whole refugee racket. He can order our consulates to stop giving any more visas.

    And what happens when Trump leaves office? Maybe Pence or some other Republican gets elected, maybe not. If not, a Democrat president can reverse it all within days…The whole point is to have a wall ans an immigration system that outlives the Trump presidency.

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    For the life of me, I cannot understand why anyone imagines that there's anything permanent about a wall. As soon as Trump's gone (likely before, even) that wall gets breached, or gets doors, or what have you. Deportations with prejudice would send a message, but tonight yet another 'federal judge' struck down even the hint of enforcement. I like the idea of an Israeli-style high-tech fence, but where there's no will, there's no way. So long as the MSM remain in hostile hands, and the flood of immigrants continues unabated, all is lost.
    , @Ed
    Trump nor anyone is deporting 800, 000 people the sooner you people return to your senses the sooner we can have a substantive debate on here.

    Changes to legal immigration law cannot be circumvented by executive branch. If there’s a cap on visas in the law that’s it. There’s a law Clinton passed to deport any non-US citizen convicted of an aggravated felony. Immigration judges across the land would love to spare certain individuals but the law made it automatic and outside of any individual judges domain. So guess what happens? The legal resident that gets convicted of dealing weed gets deported to Haiti even though they have no memory living there.

    See the law works quite well. Leveraging the fates of 800,000 people who even if they lost status will not leave, will marry & have US kids to make future changes to immigration law is the way to go.
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  140. @International Jew
    No. DACA for a border fence, e-verify, no more chain migration etc etc is a bad deal, because all those other things can be reversed in the minute of the next Democratic President's term. But the longer the "dreamers" are here, the harder it'll be to deport them. They'll all have anchor babies, US citizen spouses, and new sob stories.

    Why is Trump even negotiating? He holds all the cards; he can end DACA with his pen, he can expel every last illegal of every stripe by exercising his executive authority (in fact he's violating his oath of office every day he doesn't expel them). He can declare that we've been invaded (which is true) and order enough of the US Army along the Mexican border that we won't need a wall at all. He has authority to end the whole refugee racket. He can order our consulates to stop giving any more visas.

    Why is Trump even negotiating? He holds all the cards; he can end DACA with his pen, he can expel every last illegal of every stripe by exercising his executive authority (in fact he’s violating his oath of office every day he doesn’t expel them). He can declare that we’ve been invaded (which is true) and order enough of the US Army along the Mexican border that we won’t need a wall at all. He has authority to end the whole refugee racket. He can order our consulates to stop giving any more visas.

    Excellent IJ.

    I’m open to Trump making a deal on DACA–with a lot of screening so it’s not some nonsense number like 800K–in order to get legal changes on things like mandatory E-verify, end to chain migration.

    But you’re absolutely right. Trump needs to step up and use the executive authority he has. Enforce the law, seal the border, ramp up deportations, close down the refugee nonsense, and order consulates to be tight with any immigration visas according to whatever program he wishes.

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    VDare talks about Mexican government officials intervening in American trials of violent illegals (ostensibly out of their heartfelt opposition to capital punishment). As far as I know this is still going on and it seems like something that could be categorically stopped.
    , @Jack Hanson
    I like your world too, but in this world we have Ninth Circus judges who massage the Constitution to read that CinC power isn't really CinC power and that immigration is suddenly decided in a Hawaiian courtroom.

    So, he's gotta tread a bit more carefully.
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  141. He’s playing 4-D checkers.

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    He’s playing 4-D checkers.
     
    Actually Trump's playing 9-D tiddly winks. As Trump falls into Mitch McConnell's orbit I am not optimistic on this upcoming immigration deal which is a DACA sellout. With the DACAs getting instant legal status, while building the Wall gets strung out for years as Congressional Dems sabotage its funding. Same old disgusting story of sabotage after they get theirs

    For Trump, Bannon think is out and McConnell think is in. The fix is in too.

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  142. @Jack Hanson
    Yeah a generic Republican would have ended TPS every opportunity he gets.

    The reactions here are a pretty good indicator of who watched the actual event (Lindsay Graham sucking up to Trump, Trump stumping the Dems with the Israeli border wall), and who is eating blackpills from Coulter and going off of NYT tweets.

    have ended TPS every opportunity he gets.

    Huh? He ended for El Salvador. Trump actually extended it for yet another 18 months for Haiti. (And Haitians are even worse for us than Salvadorans.)

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    The Haitian Gambit may be to continue to tweak Hillary after her vampire foundation sucked out relief cash after the island disaster.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Its due to expire then, but don't let me stop your black pill.
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  143. AndrewR says:
    @nebulafox
    Simple. Sanctuary cities suffer consequences in federal funding unless they revise their policies, E-Verify, a mandatory 5 year jail sentence + 500,000 dollar fine for any employer hiring illegals, and an inquiry into immigration status for anybody hoping to access national public services, including police protection and healthcare-if an illegal alien tries to get surgery or call the police, he'll get deported, and for the latter, criminals will become aware of that. Measures of this kind of harshness will send a strong message to not only current illegal aliens, but anybody considering becoming one that it probably isn't worth it. No economic opportunities, and you live a shadow life, much like North Koreans in China do.

    Get all that done, and I'm more than happy to accept what, realistically speaking, are probably the highest quality and most assimilable of the illegal crop. Make economic, legal, and social conditions hostile enough for illegal aliens, and a wall would be superfluous. They'll go home themselves. And if the Democrats choose to reject the deal, the onus is on them instead of Trump: they'll be the one politically obstructing and revealing their true colors to the public.

    What a stupid comment. Why would you want to discourage people from reporting crimes? You clearly haven’t thought this through.

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  144. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Yes, why? Maybe because Trump only rode the deportation issue in the campaign as a cynical ploy.

    He tossed some more red meat to the base this week with the Salvadoran earthquake refugees supposedly being sent back but the fine print on the deal says maybe in 2019.

    Why is Trump even negotiating? He holds all the cards; he can end DACA with his pen, he can expel every last illegal of every stripe by exercising his executive authority (in fact he’s violating his oath of office every day he doesn’t expel them). He can declare that we’ve been invaded (which is true) and order enough of the US Army along the Mexican border that we won’t need a wall at all. He has authority to end the whole refugee racket. He can order our consulates to stop giving any more visas.

    Trump could also use expedited removal for all illegal aliens with the stroke of a pen. As it stands now only aliens caught near the border are subject to expedited removal.

    Breitbart has been all over the issue with the myriad games being played re illegal aliens. That’s why Trump was surely on the phone tonight with Rebekah Mercer discussing Breitbart’s new editorial direction!

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  145. AndrewR says:
    @Berty
    I'm starting to think Jack Hanson is just Bill Mitchell in disguise. He's just as much of a creepy cultist.

    There are a few people on here who viciously attack anyone who dares to criticize their daddy Donny.

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    There are a few people on here who post while wearing a gimp suit and seem to relish the abuse they get when they're not defending sharia law.
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  146. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Anybody else think the fatwa on Bannon is creepy?

    What his crime really? I think he was venting frustration as a result of Trump’s extreme nepotism.

    Imagine slugging it out in the campaign against the Clintons only to have your winning issues snatched away from you in the white house by Jared & Ivanka.

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    I think it was also frustration at trying to guide Trump in a coherent direction and being stymied at every turn by his refusal to take direction and stay on script. As you say though, it probably was Jared as I've heard the two clashed constantly. I'm actually hoping Mueller nails that twerp to the wall just to finally be rid of him.
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  147. @neutral
    If this does not make people realize what a fraud Trump is, then what will??? Foreign policy is that of Jeb and Rubio, and domestic policy is also that of Jeb and Rubio as well (tax cuts, amnesty, pandering to democrats, snubbing the people who vote for him).

    At least with a Hillary you get the same but not with sting of betrayal like Trump does.

    “If this does not make people realize what a fraud Trump is, then what will???” All that from a single meeting / presser?… whatever

    “At least with a Hillary you get the same but not with sting of betrayal like Trump does.” so Hillary and Trump are about the same?… whatever

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  148. Clyde says:
    @anony-mouse
    He's playing 4-D checkers.

    He’s playing 4-D checkers.

    Actually Trump’s playing 9-D tiddly winks. As Trump falls into Mitch McConnell’s orbit I am not optimistic on this upcoming immigration deal which is a DACA sellout. With the DACAs getting instant legal status, while building the Wall gets strung out for years as Congressional Dems sabotage its funding. Same old disgusting story of sabotage after they get theirs

    For Trump, Bannon think is out and McConnell think is in. The fix is in too.

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  149. @John Gruskos
    Stephen Miller convinced us all to vote for the wrong candidate.

    Ted Cruz would have implemented an America First immigration policy, Rand Paul would have implemented an America First foreign policy, and they would have done so with a modicum of dignity.

    Trump is the worst of both worlds. He makes nationalism look bad with his buffoonery while implementing the globalist agenda.

    “Ted Cruz would have implemented an America First immigration policy, Rand Paul would have implemented an America First foreign policy, and they would have done so with a modicum of dignity.”

    John Gruskos, what color are the skies in your world?

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  150. Parsifal says:

    This is what Trump is up against and this is why people are unfair when they pile on criticism and insults whenever he says or does something they do not like.

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    These people (unwilling to acknowledge reality) are the same people who think that the NG manning M2 machine gun turrets and blasting anyone who crosses is a real solution.
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  151. J.Ross says: • Website
    @AnotherDad

    Why is Trump even negotiating? He holds all the cards; he can end DACA with his pen, he can expel every last illegal of every stripe by exercising his executive authority (in fact he’s violating his oath of office every day he doesn’t expel them). He can declare that we’ve been invaded (which is true) and order enough of the US Army along the Mexican border that we won’t need a wall at all. He has authority to end the whole refugee racket. He can order our consulates to stop giving any more visas.
     
    Excellent IJ.

    I'm open to Trump making a deal on DACA--with a lot of screening so it's not some nonsense number like 800K--in order to get legal changes on things like mandatory E-verify, end to chain migration.

    But you're absolutely right. Trump needs to step up and use the executive authority he has. Enforce the law, seal the border, ramp up deportations, close down the refugee nonsense, and order consulates to be tight with any immigration visas according to whatever program he wishes.

    VDare talks about Mexican government officials intervening in American trials of violent illegals (ostensibly out of their heartfelt opposition to capital punishment). As far as I know this is still going on and it seems like something that could be categorically stopped.

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  152. Ivy says:
    @AnotherDad

    have ended TPS every opportunity he gets.
     
    Huh? He ended for El Salvador. Trump actually extended it for yet another 18 months for Haiti. (And Haitians are even worse for us than Salvadorans.)

    The Haitian Gambit may be to continue to tweak Hillary after her vampire foundation sucked out relief cash after the island disaster.

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  153. @Jackoff Hanson
    Trump's playing 4D chess. You eyores are just too dumb to understand.

    Point on the doll where the mean Chad touched you.

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  154. @AnotherDad

    have ended TPS every opportunity he gets.
     
    Huh? He ended for El Salvador. Trump actually extended it for yet another 18 months for Haiti. (And Haitians are even worse for us than Salvadorans.)

    Its due to expire then, but don’t let me stop your black pill.

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  155. @International Jew
    And Georgia and Texas and North Carolina...
    It's not 1990 anymore.

    Its doom o clock where every DACA recipient is eligible to vote and always the swing vote in safe red states.

    Or did you really believe Texas and Georgia were in play last election cause L O L.

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  156. @Berty
    I'm starting to think Jack Hanson is just Bill Mitchell in disguise. He's just as much of a creepy cultist.

    I’m starting to think you’ve got a huge gay crush on me, you wanna talk about creepy.

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  157. @AnotherDad

    Why is Trump even negotiating? He holds all the cards; he can end DACA with his pen, he can expel every last illegal of every stripe by exercising his executive authority (in fact he’s violating his oath of office every day he doesn’t expel them). He can declare that we’ve been invaded (which is true) and order enough of the US Army along the Mexican border that we won’t need a wall at all. He has authority to end the whole refugee racket. He can order our consulates to stop giving any more visas.
     
    Excellent IJ.

    I'm open to Trump making a deal on DACA--with a lot of screening so it's not some nonsense number like 800K--in order to get legal changes on things like mandatory E-verify, end to chain migration.

    But you're absolutely right. Trump needs to step up and use the executive authority he has. Enforce the law, seal the border, ramp up deportations, close down the refugee nonsense, and order consulates to be tight with any immigration visas according to whatever program he wishes.

    I like your world too, but in this world we have Ninth Circus judges who massage the Constitution to read that CinC power isn’t really CinC power and that immigration is suddenly decided in a Hawaiian courtroom.

    So, he’s gotta tread a bit more carefully.

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  158. SnakeEyes says:
    @truthman
    If DACA is passed in conjunction with visa lottery abolition and reduction to chain migration I think that's a deal worth taking, if in fact it meant much less legal immigration. Actually getting a legal immigration reduction through congress would be a huge accomplishment.
    The last big amnesty of 1986 was coupled with an increase in legal immigration. The gang of 8 monstrosity of 2013-2014 envisioned a huge amnesty plus legal immigration increase, so imho actually getting legal immigration reduction, even if purchased with some form of amnesty is a lot better. Sort of a glass half empty, half full situation.
    I think there was some Ron Unz guy who advocated this idea as well.

    The problem with doing any trade which involves giving the DACA people legal status in exchange for a change in the law such as ending chain migration or the Diversity Lottery is that the beneficiaries of the DACA amnesty (and their progeny) are here forever whereas the law can always be changed back (for instance, next time the Dems control both houses).

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  159. @Ed
    I swear some you guys trashing Trump on this have not been paying attention to this issue all that much.

    Trump admin has been very aggressive on immigration. He’s removed status from Haitians and Central Americans. The number of refugees this first quarter has plummeted to 5000 the lowest figure in 40 years.
    Interior arrests are up as more are thrown in deportation proceedings.

    During the Bush & especially Obama years illegals would get their sob stories in the press and within a few days their cases were dropped or suspended. Not so much under Trump.

    Trump did this meeting because of the Wolfe book. He’s been pretty clear that DACA in exchange for his wants. Also gop house will release their own bill tomorrow which is very conservative. The DACA kids will get status if that alone upsets you, oh well.

    A lot of commenters around here (especially ones who didn’t show up until the last 2 years or so) enjoy complaining and fantasizing about confrontation with their political enemies, and don’t appreciate actual problem solving, especially if it’s incremental. Just look at how many people in the Macron thread were dismissive of his intentions (like intentions matter all that much..) even though he is cracking down on immigration and publicly discussing the upcoming African population bomb.

    Honestly high rates of legal immigration are bigger problem in the long term than DACA. DACA is not that big of a deal, it’s not a full amnesty.

    Trump has disappointed me on foreign policy but he has been fine on immigration.

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    You’re right. People have some unreal expectations. They don’t realize that Trump admin is fighting against entrenched orthodoxies from both parties. Yet to them anything short of mass deportation of non-whites is a cop out.

    One thing people don’t realize is that even if ‘65 immigration law was repealed we can’t go back to white only or mostly white immigration policy. US diplomacy would be rendered ineffective. We were able to get a away with a Euro focused immigration policy because back then most of the globe was controlled by Europeans. That is no longer the case.
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  160. Davosbane says:

    If he gives daca kids amnesty without major concessions, i will lose a lot of enthusiasm for him. It would be a real betrayal.

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  161. Trying to see a silver lining here. By kicking this back to Congress, Trump gets them on the record on illegal immigration. If they pass an amnesty bill (which they refused to do in the past) they now own illegal immigration. Before, they could blame Obama’s executive order. This poses tremendous risks to them for the next election. Trump can still have his wall and enhanced deportations of criminals and if more Kate Steinles lose their lives, Congress will have to answer for it. That’s all I got.

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    That would have been a more salient incentive with Bannon leading a wave of primary challengers.
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  162. 3g4me says:

    I regret letting myself get my hopes up enough that I broke my vow and voted in the last presidential election. To use Gen Kong’s favorite phrase, it’s all kabuki theatre. Meaningless sound and fury. All other issues – taxes, health care, foreign adventurism, blah blah blah, all mean less than nothing when “America” means a flea-bag international hotel. I loathe it. I would have turned away my own damned ancestors if I had been an immigration officer at Ellis Island – and everyone else’s too. America 3.0 flooded and essentially destroyed America 1.0, and I live in an anarcho-tyranny, not a nationalist, independent representative republic. Hanson can chortle about 4-D chess and others can postulate that cutting “legal” immigration in half is a good deal.

    Yet again, I reiterate:

    America is barely 58% White European.
    More than 50% of all babies born here are non-White.
    More than 50% of all k-12 school children are non-White.
    More Whites die than are born each day.
    The post ’65 third-world immigrants and their progeny number about 100 million.

    All the boomer civic nationalists here, who think they’re edgy and alt-right because they acknowledge Negro criminality and dysfunction, can continue prattling about how Asians are honorary Whites and how everyone will “assimilate” in time. Enjoy watching your grandchildren live as a reviled minority, and enjoy their hatred for your cuckery.

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    Enjoy watching your grandchildren live as a reviled minority
     
    They will be enslaved, and they won't be treated near as well as negro slaves were in America. They'll be treated like negro slaves in Quentin Tarantino movies.
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  163. Noah172 says:
    @27 year old
    1. The continued presence of 800k DACAs isn't that big of a deal. I think extending their temporary deferred status is reasonable, if we get something good out of it. We can always revoke it again later.

    2. The Wall (tm) isn't that big of a deal. Going after employers and government staffers who give jobs or services to illegals is much more important and its also easier to do.

    3. This kinda seems like a nothingburger, where we can't lose much and probably get some minor wins.

    4. What are the specifics (at a policy wonk level) of "end chain migration"? Anybody know what is actually being proposed? Like when we boil it down, are they going to say you can't bring your cousin but you can still bring your mother to go straight onto social security? If so, put a tally in the black pill column...

    5. I really hope Trump is just grandstanding about "preventing a government shutdown". A government shutdown over illegal immigrants would be great for him. Probably the best thing that could happen.

    1. The Goodlatte DACA bill gives the DACAs only renewable work permits, nothing permanent. That’s a step in the right direction. Has other good provisions (going off the summary in the WSJ). Still against any deal because of Democrats’ extreme bad faith, but it’s smart to put reasonable ideas out there to counter the media narrative.

    2. Wall stops drugs (heroin epidemic) and people who come here for reasons other than working legal jobs (gangs, smugglers, terrorists). Wall and interior enforcement are not mutually exclusive, but complementary.

    3. We can lose bigly if 800k get permanent status (which will eventually be citizenship) and we can’t stop new illegals and the DACAs get to sponsor relatives.

    4. As I understand it, ending chain migration means nobody beyond spouses and minor children of the sponsor.

    5. Yes, Trump is trying to set up the Democrats to be the bad guys in any shutdown fight. He may not necessarily want one, but he wants to win the PR battle if it happens.

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  164. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This Trump tweet from 2013 says it all…

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    14 Feb 13
    .@GOP need to face reality – not one of the illegal immigrants granted amnesty will vote Republican.

    Trump will likely do the dirty deed amnesty and then talk for the rest of his life about how it was a huge mistake. This is the Woodrow Wilson playbook after creating the federal reserve.

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  165. @Jack Hanson
    Ann Coulter has been engaging in doom masturbation since November 8th, 2016 regarding "amnesty".

    Can you even remember how many times you've claimed we've been 'betrayed'?

    And if it weren’t for Ann sounding the alarm, where would we be?

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    The same place we are now.

    Deifying a commentator like you and many do around here is weird and counter productive. At least if you're going to deify Augustus, he's an emperor.
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  166. @Anonymous
    We simply need to do as the Israelis do. Kudos to Trump for mentioning it--and of course with the customary 'news' blackout for anything which doesn't fit The Narrative, I hadn't heard he did.

    That is SUCH important pricing information you supplied about the ‘hi-tech smart fence’ and it should be disseminated as widely as possible.

    Also, the term “high-tech smart fence” is good branding.

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  167. Steve King and Kris Kobach – 2020.

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  168. Berty says:
    @Anonymous
    Anybody else think the fatwa on Bannon is creepy?

    What his crime really? I think he was venting frustration as a result of Trump's extreme nepotism.

    Imagine slugging it out in the campaign against the Clintons only to have your winning issues snatched away from you in the white house by Jared & Ivanka.

    I think it was also frustration at trying to guide Trump in a coherent direction and being stymied at every turn by his refusal to take direction and stay on script. As you say though, it probably was Jared as I’ve heard the two clashed constantly. I’m actually hoping Mueller nails that twerp to the wall just to finally be rid of him.

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  169. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @IDFK

    Yeah, to me it all comes down to numbers and quality of immigrant.
     
    To me, that means you haven't thought it through much, nor do you have respect for numbers. They're abstract to you, so you sit on your ass at the keyboard, tossing out opinions like a gay french king, with unintended comedic results.

    We have hundreds of millions of people here. How many more is enough for you?

    10 million? 20 million? 100 million?

    Why, or why not. And how does adding another 10 million fertile immigrants from foreign lands, many who have to be dragged kicking and screaming into actual american culture, dramatically add to our quality of life as it stands now? How will importing more potential super-consumers with limited skill sets when they arrive, and when they die, and their accompanying trash help your kids have a better life in the future? Why do you think desalinization plants dotting the coast of California is a good thing, all in all? A desert scrubland doesn't water itself, bub. Those millions of yours need watering, and trash pickup. How does their sending money they make here back to their host country help our local economy? Or unless it's a starbucks, they can go fuck themselves? How's your logic work?

    I don't think we need 1 person more for at least a decade.

    Tell us what you think you figured out and why. Doing so might actually force you into thinking about the subject rationally, instead of talking out of your ass.

    Excellent comment.

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  170. @Bragadocious
    Trying to see a silver lining here. By kicking this back to Congress, Trump gets them on the record on illegal immigration. If they pass an amnesty bill (which they refused to do in the past) they now own illegal immigration. Before, they could blame Obama's executive order. This poses tremendous risks to them for the next election. Trump can still have his wall and enhanced deportations of criminals and if more Kate Steinles lose their lives, Congress will have to answer for it. That's all I got.

    That would have been a more salient incentive with Bannon leading a wave of primary challengers.

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  171. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bubba
    This is the worst thing Trump can do and it is a death sentence for the Republican Party if he signs an amnesty bill. He'll immediately lose his base and get grilled far worse than GHB when he reneged on "Read my lips, no new taxes."

    Yup. I hear “read my lips” which must be on repeat in the heads of Schumer’s gang trying to finesse that result. Should Trump amnesty the middle-aged gray-haired collegiate illegals who are pillars of their communities, blah blah, the air goes out of any organized opposition to globo-prog-kleptocrat Social Democrat hegemony in the U.S. at least.

    When Poppy Bush went along with the George Mitchell/Tom Foley tax revenue increases it didn’t even net strange new respect, instead turning him politically radioactive for all intents and purposes which is usually underlooked due to the subsequent midterm wave. I think Bush Jr. was acutely conscious Dad stepped in it with that signature event but he didn’t understand the dynamic, thus ironically surpassing him in catastrophe not by compromising but by catastrophically swinging for the fences on Wilsonian-Trotskyist wars & not leaving children behind. For a finely groomed clan of thoroughbred elite WASPs of the type Sailer always valorizes that family sure seems gullible and strategy-proof (or by Occam, might just be liberals).

    http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/flashback-praise-george-hw-bush-tax-increase

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    Interesting and very concise write-up, thank you. You hit a home run with it and was great to read. And I really like your last sentence,

    For a finely groomed clan of thoroughbred elite WASPs of the type Sailer always valorizes that family sure seems gullible and strategy-proof (or by Occam, might just be liberals).
     
    As luck would have it, I was reading about Howard "The Scream" Dean last night. I didn't realize it, but he's the perfect definition of a NYC/East Hampton WASP. I had no idea that the Dean family and the Bushes were basically the same (albeit different sources of income made by their respective WASP patricians). As for GWB & Howard Dean, they were both basically Ivy league pukes with horrible grades, but had the same elite New England circle of friends with everyone climbing the political, social ladder to nowhere. Both Howard Dean & GWB were definitely gullible, easily manipulated and corruptible with contempt for the average American.
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  172. Berty says:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-08/-chaos-puts-trump-just-where-the-gop-wants-him

    I’m not a huge fan of Ramesh Ponnuru but he pretty well sums up my feelings of the Bannon mess.

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  173. Alden says:

    DACA rules

    Today, January 9 federal judge William Alsup
    ordered an injunction blocking Trumps attempt to get rid of DACA.

    In other news, homeland security raided the Carlyl hotel in Irvine Ca. It’s a maternity home for rich Chinese women who come to America when they’re pregnant to have an anchor baby.

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  174. Alden says:
    @Dowit
    This has been an undeclared war by insurgents for the last 20 years. Of course dems will shut the government down. That's the whole point. Same as when the majority of Republicans drew a line in the sand on Slavery. Of course the South wanted a Civil War. Gaming the Constitution for coin has always been their objective. These are innately horrible people running barefoot over our Constitution, just like they always have. It's likely a genetic malady, since it has been crawling under the countries skin since the beginning. The Civil War cleansed the nation of a dominating social pathology. Shutting down the government is good. It starves the cold, and will make it dormant again. Until the next time.

    "Oh, no! We can't demand that the Democrats end Slavery! It will bring a Civil War!"

    Bring it.

    "Oh, no! We can't demand Democrats adhere to the rule of law they were charged to protect. It will bring a Government shutdown!"

    Do it.

    Many Americans died before you for this country. You can sacrifice by being late for work.

    Do it for America. Do it for the world. America is the nail on which we hang Western Civilization. You don't just get it as a present. Sometimes asses need slinging.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-yZNMWFqvM

    Remind me, why were the English invading France for the hundredth time?

    Was France an English colony in rebellion or something?

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  175. Bubba says:
    @Anonymous
    Yup. I hear "read my lips" which must be on repeat in the heads of Schumer's gang trying to finesse that result. Should Trump amnesty the middle-aged gray-haired collegiate illegals who are pillars of their communities, blah blah, the air goes out of any organized opposition to globo-prog-kleptocrat Social Democrat hegemony in the U.S. at least.

    When Poppy Bush went along with the George Mitchell/Tom Foley tax revenue increases it didn't even net strange new respect, instead turning him politically radioactive for all intents and purposes which is usually underlooked due to the subsequent midterm wave. I think Bush Jr. was acutely conscious Dad stepped in it with that signature event but he didn't understand the dynamic, thus ironically surpassing him in catastrophe not by compromising but by catastrophically swinging for the fences on Wilsonian-Trotskyist wars & not leaving children behind. For a finely groomed clan of thoroughbred elite WASPs of the type Sailer always valorizes that family sure seems gullible and strategy-proof (or by Occam, might just be liberals).
    http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/flashback-praise-george-hw-bush-tax-increase

    Interesting and very concise write-up, thank you. You hit a home run with it and was great to read. And I really like your last sentence,

    For a finely groomed clan of thoroughbred elite WASPs of the type Sailer always valorizes that family sure seems gullible and strategy-proof (or by Occam, might just be liberals).

    As luck would have it, I was reading about Howard “The Scream” Dean last night. I didn’t realize it, but he’s the perfect definition of a NYC/East Hampton WASP. I had no idea that the Dean family and the Bushes were basically the same (albeit different sources of income made by their respective WASP patricians). As for GWB & Howard Dean, they were both basically Ivy league pukes with horrible grades, but had the same elite New England circle of friends with everyone climbing the political, social ladder to nowhere. Both Howard Dean & GWB were definitely gullible, easily manipulated and corruptible with contempt for the average American.

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    How did Howard Dean get into medical school with horrible grades?
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  176. Alden says:
    @anonymouslee
    Well, boomers, you did it.

    One generation born to peace and wealth in the greatest nation in human history destroys that nation in their own lifetime. One generation to flush their ancestors and their children down the toilet at the same time, after robbing both.

    Ok, the oldest boomers were 10 when Brown vs Topeka integrates the schools
    They were 19 1965 immigration act passed, 22 when affirmation action passed 25 when Griggs vs Duke Power decreed that race, not qualifications was the only factor in hiring.

    It was a long march that began when WW1 ended and certain immigrants became judges attorneys, college teachers and journalists

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    The GOP Congress elected in the 1990s had the opportunity to get rid of affirmative action, and slash immigration. That was a Congress full of Boomers elected by Boomers. And don't forget that they didn't do anything but kick the can on entitlements. (All that is needed is to remove the payroll tax cap and a capital gains surtax)

    Instead they impeached Clinton, but were exposed as hypocrites. (One might even say it was planned that way)
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    The long march began in the US in the 1800's: abolitionists, women's suffrage, John Brown, Lincoln, Seward, Sherman, Yankees, Black Republicans and Radicals (see 1864 presidential campaign) .
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  177. eah says:

    AmRen — Argentina: A Mirror of Your Future — How demographic change can destroy a country

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  178. Their use as a sob story for open borders cuts both ways. If Democrats refuse to make any compromises on immigration in order to allow them to stay it can be used to make them look like monsters.

    Let them stay, but only if the Democrats give up a lot – elimination of the diversity lottery, elimination of chain migration, permanent elimination of TPS, a border wall, money to reward police departments that participate in 287(g), streamlined deportation rules, and massive increases in the size of the border patrol. Most or all of those should be required to allow DACA recipients to stay. We’re talking about a minimum of 700,000 new citizens.

    Oh and absolutely, positively limit DACA recipients to only those currently approved. Otherwise it will turn into an open-ended amnesty from now until forever.

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  179. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Parsifal
    And what happens when Trump leaves office? Maybe Pence or some other Republican gets elected, maybe not. If not, a Democrat president can reverse it all within days...The whole point is to have a wall ans an immigration system that outlives the Trump presidency.

    For the life of me, I cannot understand why anyone imagines that there’s anything permanent about a wall. As soon as Trump’s gone (likely before, even) that wall gets breached, or gets doors, or what have you. Deportations with prejudice would send a message, but tonight yet another ‘federal judge’ struck down even the hint of enforcement. I like the idea of an Israeli-style high-tech fence, but where there’s no will, there’s no way. So long as the MSM remain in hostile hands, and the flood of immigrants continues unabated, all is lost.

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  180. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @3g4me
    I regret letting myself get my hopes up enough that I broke my vow and voted in the last presidential election. To use Gen Kong's favorite phrase, it's all kabuki theatre. Meaningless sound and fury. All other issues - taxes, health care, foreign adventurism, blah blah blah, all mean less than nothing when "America" means a flea-bag international hotel. I loathe it. I would have turned away my own damned ancestors if I had been an immigration officer at Ellis Island - and everyone else's too. America 3.0 flooded and essentially destroyed America 1.0, and I live in an anarcho-tyranny, not a nationalist, independent representative republic. Hanson can chortle about 4-D chess and others can postulate that cutting "legal" immigration in half is a good deal.

    Yet again, I reiterate:

    America is barely 58% White European.
    More than 50% of all babies born here are non-White.
    More than 50% of all k-12 school children are non-White.
    More Whites die than are born each day.
    The post '65 third-world immigrants and their progeny number about 100 million.

    All the boomer civic nationalists here, who think they're edgy and alt-right because they acknowledge Negro criminality and dysfunction, can continue prattling about how Asians are honorary Whites and how everyone will "assimilate" in time. Enjoy watching your grandchildren live as a reviled minority, and enjoy their hatred for your cuckery.

    Enjoy watching your grandchildren live as a reviled minority

    They will be enslaved, and they won’t be treated near as well as negro slaves were in America. They’ll be treated like negro slaves in Quentin Tarantino movies.

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  181. CaperAsh says:

    Well, I agree there were some concerning moments in there – his reply to Feinstein, his statement that he’ll sign anything they present being two biggies.

    However, other things were said that I find encouraging: gradually the issue is being simplified down to bundling some sort of amnesty for the DACA people specifically (800,000) but only on condition that the lottery and chain migration policies are eliminated, and there is actual, functioning border security (to prevent new illegals entering and to keep kicked-out felons from re-entering). Or to put it more simply: get back to a normal, functioning immigration system which includes proper borders and visa controls, and then we can let those already in the country establish some sort of legal status.

    In other words, if the porous immigration system is fixed so that there will be no or little further illegal immigration, then we can absorb the current illegal population into the country. However, if the Congressional players want to keep the current dysfunctional situation going, they are going to be exposed. The old way of focusing only on the DACA ‘children’ sob stories whilst ignoring chain, lottery and border issues won’t fly any more. That’s already quite a shift.

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  182. @Bubba
    Interesting and very concise write-up, thank you. You hit a home run with it and was great to read. And I really like your last sentence,

    For a finely groomed clan of thoroughbred elite WASPs of the type Sailer always valorizes that family sure seems gullible and strategy-proof (or by Occam, might just be liberals).
     
    As luck would have it, I was reading about Howard "The Scream" Dean last night. I didn't realize it, but he's the perfect definition of a NYC/East Hampton WASP. I had no idea that the Dean family and the Bushes were basically the same (albeit different sources of income made by their respective WASP patricians). As for GWB & Howard Dean, they were both basically Ivy league pukes with horrible grades, but had the same elite New England circle of friends with everyone climbing the political, social ladder to nowhere. Both Howard Dean & GWB were definitely gullible, easily manipulated and corruptible with contempt for the average American.

    How did Howard Dean get into medical school with horrible grades?

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    He is a trust fund baby and it was most likely a family payoff to get in. Here is a quote from The New Yorker article that mentions it:

    It’s probably a stretch to infer that Dean talked his way into Einstein, but his talent for persuasion is evident from the notes of his admissions interview, which were excavated last summer by the Boston Globe. “ ‘Grades too miserable to discuss,’ ” Dr. Russell Anderson, the interviewer, wrote, quoting Dean’s own characterization of his Yale transcript. (In fact, Dean had compiled a roughly B-minus average.)
     
    So he received what they used to call "Gentleman C's" and he majored in Political Science which is not a tough competitive curriculum like pre-med, math, physics, chemistry, or engineering. If you look at the academic majors that score lowest on the LSAT, GMAT, MCAT etc... it's political science.
    Here is the link - https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2004/01/12/running-on-instinct
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  183. istevefan says:
    @27 year old
    1. The continued presence of 800k DACAs isn't that big of a deal. I think extending their temporary deferred status is reasonable, if we get something good out of it. We can always revoke it again later.

    2. The Wall (tm) isn't that big of a deal. Going after employers and government staffers who give jobs or services to illegals is much more important and its also easier to do.

    3. This kinda seems like a nothingburger, where we can't lose much and probably get some minor wins.

    4. What are the specifics (at a policy wonk level) of "end chain migration"? Anybody know what is actually being proposed? Like when we boil it down, are they going to say you can't bring your cousin but you can still bring your mother to go straight onto social security? If so, put a tally in the black pill column...

    5. I really hope Trump is just grandstanding about "preventing a government shutdown". A government shutdown over illegal immigrants would be great for him. Probably the best thing that could happen.

    2. The Wall ™ isn’t that big of a deal. Going after employers and government staffers who give jobs or services to illegals is much more important and its also easier to do.

    The wall is important because it will create a physical demarcation along a border that sorely needs it. For too long the US has given the world the impression that there are no barriers to entry. Many Mexicans even harbor feelings about being able to retake what they regard as their territory.

    It is true many people come to the USA via planes and the wall won’t prevent that. We also won’t have a wall along the Canadian border, but it isn’t needed. Canada has no designs on our territory and currently their border is not a leaking sieve of inbound immigration and drugs.

    But the southern border is chaotic and needs to have the wall to reestablish some semblance of sovereignty. And its construction will send the right psychological message that entry to the US has some restriction. It will signal that the days of bum-rushing the border are over.

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  184. istevefan says:
    @International Jew
    No. DACA for a border fence, e-verify, no more chain migration etc etc is a bad deal, because all those other things can be reversed in the minute of the next Democratic President's term. But the longer the "dreamers" are here, the harder it'll be to deport them. They'll all have anchor babies, US citizen spouses, and new sob stories.

    Why is Trump even negotiating? He holds all the cards; he can end DACA with his pen, he can expel every last illegal of every stripe by exercising his executive authority (in fact he's violating his oath of office every day he doesn't expel them). He can declare that we've been invaded (which is true) and order enough of the US Army along the Mexican border that we won't need a wall at all. He has authority to end the whole refugee racket. He can order our consulates to stop giving any more visas.

    order enough of the US Army along the Mexican border that we won’t need a wall at all.

    One of the historical missions of the US Army was doing border duty along the southern border.

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    Indeed, I've heard that the historical mission of many armies was to defend their own countries! I know, that sounds like crazy talk today...
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  185. Any deal that gives up the capability to remove people illegally in the country in the here and now for changes (e.g., ending the diversity lottery or chain migration) that a Democratic Congress and Administration (highly likely in 2021 IMO) is a bad deal.

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    My comment should have added "that a Democratic Congress and Administration can reverse . . . is a bad deal."

    Sorry for the oversight.
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  186. Does anyone remember, “They have to go back.”

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  187. @Felix...
    The calculus here is very simple: if a deal is struck, we will be shafted. The reason for this is equally simple: the democrats will not agree to any deal that is not advantageous to them.

    Immigrants are like cash money for the democrats: they're not going to accept a deal that buys them 800,000 dreamers at the cost of changes to the immigration system that result in a decrease of >800,000 immigrants in the future. Anyone who thinks we will end up with a compromise that legalizes the DACA illegals while at the same time making the immigration system restrictive enough to make up for it is delusional. Why would the democrats possibly agree to such a thing? The best case scenario is talks collapse or the bill fails to pass in the house like previous amnesty attempts. If a deal is passed with democrat support and Trump signs it it means the left won.

    the democrats will not agree to any deal that is not advantageous to them.

    Immigrants are like cash money for the democrats: they’re not going to accept a deal

    Donnelly, Tester, McCaskill, Heitkamp, Manchin, Baldwin, Nelson, and Casey are Democratic Senators from states Trump won in 2016. The first five are from states Trump won by 20+% landslides.

    Some of those Dems would be well advised to consider voting for a Trump compromise.

    But yes, most possible compromises are terrible. In particular, a start on the wall in exchange for amnesty looks like the most likely compromise. That would be awful.

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    Much depends upon how popular Trump is. If the rural state Dems compromise, the Dem base won't turnout.

    The tax plan was passed without any Dem votes, and remains highly unpopular in a country that desperately wants to raise taxes on the rich to pay for Western Europe levels of social spending. (What is actually in the tax law doesn't matter)

    If Trump is pulling about 50-50 in the approval polls, the Dems might compromise. But even if they are defeated in November, the billionaire class will reward them for their treason.
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  188. Nico says:
    @Jack Hanson
    800k voters who are gonna run up the score in Cali and NY in exchange for the wall, an end to chain migration, and the diversity visa? You have an issue with that?

    This is why he's President and you comment on a niche blog.

    I’ll not enter into the numbers game with people who refuse to look beyond a cited “official” exterior figure.

    I’ll only say that I have an “issue” with almost everything Western leaders have done in the past 30 some years. Maybe it’s that I’m out of step with a rotten Zeitgeist, or maybe you have a point that simply, I’m wrong and they’re right, but I still prefer the way things were to the way they are. And if that makes me a fool I suppose I’m too dense to give a damn.

    Still, I can’t help but express amusement that you think it worth your time to taunt lowly fools like myself who dare call Great Powers into question on message boards.

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  189. I find it incredible that there are people here willing to accept a DACA amnesty under any circumstances. Let me make it perfectly clear what the consequences are: You accept DACA and it’s all over. Period. End of story.

    Not only will the long-impending demographic doom be realized, but the rule of law will be abrogated and the sovereignty of the nation will be destroyed. Whites will be a people without a country and there will be no one left to defend them.

    Get it through your damn heads that DACA is death. Hold Trump’s feet to the fire. If he feels enough resistance he won’t do the deal. This is our only hope.

    The future of the world may very well be riding on the tweets of Ann Coulter.

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    But we need to end the visa lottery and chain migration, do worksite enforcement, and build a high-tech security fence. All that doesn't get done without DACA, does it?
    , @Dutch Boy
    Agreed. It would add hundreds of thousands of Democratic voters to the rolls in the near future, enough to tip legislatures and Congress to the Democratic Party permanently and then it is goodbye USA.
    , @Travis
    it would be worth it to grant residency to 800,000 DACA recipients in return for ending the Diversity Visa and Building the Wall....It would not be worth it if we only get the Wall.

    Ideally DACA recipients would be forced to pay a fine of $7,500 to raise the billions required to build the wall and Legal Immigration would be capped at 500,000 per year.

    But if Trump trades amnesty for a wall it is a big mistake and will result in the end of the GOP.
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  190. eah says:
    @eah
    AmRen -- Argentina: A Mirror of Your Future -- How demographic change can destroy a country

    https://twitter.com/MuhDuhversity/status/950872882426589184
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  191. @Jack Hanson
    Ann Coulter has been engaging in doom masturbation since November 8th, 2016 regarding "amnesty".

    Can you even remember how many times you've claimed we've been 'betrayed'?

    Jackoff Hanson: he of the rosy-colored-glasses-palmed hands.

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    I've known people w/ hemorrhoids who are less ass mad than you.
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  192. @Opinionator
    And if it weren't for Ann sounding the alarm, where would we be?

    The same place we are now.

    Deifying a commentator like you and many do around here is weird and counter productive. At least if you’re going to deify Augustus, he’s an emperor.

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    President Trump listens to her.
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  193. @TomSchmidt
    What will you do if they're right? I hope you are.

    Then you and me and everyone else has much bigger problems than worrying about our posting careers.

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    Not me. I got only a few more spins around the giant fusion reactor. I'll weep for the children.
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  194. @Diversity Heretic
    Any deal that gives up the capability to remove people illegally in the country in the here and now for changes (e.g., ending the diversity lottery or chain migration) that a Democratic Congress and Administration (highly likely in 2021 IMO) is a bad deal.

    My comment should have added “that a Democratic Congress and Administration can reverse . . . is a bad deal.”

    Sorry for the oversight.

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  195. Ed says:
    @neutral
    You need to put this in perspective, amnesty is basically creating a lot of Democrat voters in an instant. This will produce so many more voters than all the other stuff you have mentioned, this single betrayal destroys the stuff you mentioned by a huge margin.

    Whether DACA kids get a path to citizenship or just work permits is still being debated. For sure GOP types like Graham want a path but many other draw the line there.

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  196. @AndrewR
    There are a few people on here who viciously attack anyone who dares to criticize their daddy Donny.

    There are a few people on here who post while wearing a gimp suit and seem to relish the abuse they get when they’re not defending sharia law.

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  197. Ed says:
    @S. Anonyia
    A lot of commenters around here (especially ones who didn’t show up until the last 2 years or so) enjoy complaining and fantasizing about confrontation with their political enemies, and don’t appreciate actual problem solving, especially if it’s incremental. Just look at how many people in the Macron thread were dismissive of his intentions (like intentions matter all that much..) even though he is cracking down on immigration and publicly discussing the upcoming African population bomb.

    Honestly high rates of legal immigration are bigger problem in the long term than DACA. DACA is not that big of a deal, it’s not a full amnesty.

    Trump has disappointed me on foreign policy but he has been fine on immigration.

    You’re right. People have some unreal expectations. They don’t realize that Trump admin is fighting against entrenched orthodoxies from both parties. Yet to them anything short of mass deportation of non-whites is a cop out.

    One thing people don’t realize is that even if ‘65 immigration law was repealed we can’t go back to white only or mostly white immigration policy. US diplomacy would be rendered ineffective. We were able to get a away with a Euro focused immigration policy because back then most of the globe was controlled by Europeans. That is no longer the case.

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    No diplomatic advantage is worth surrendering control of our immigration policy.

    If we wanted to reduce our annual immigration quota to zero, no other nation would have valid cause for complaint.
    , @KM32

    One thing people don’t realize is that even if ‘65 immigration law was repealed we can’t go back to white only or mostly white immigration policy. US diplomacy would be rendered ineffective.
     
    Nobody boycotts Japan.
    , @Massimo Heitor

    One thing people don’t realize is that even if ‘65 immigration law was repealed we can’t go back to white only or mostly white immigration policy. US diplomacy would be rendered ineffective. We were able to get a away with a Euro focused immigration policy because back then most of the globe was controlled by Europeans. That is no longer the case.
     
    Ending the diversity lottery, ending chain migration, and giving preference to skilled migrants that already speak English, are all politically viable moves that would make the reasonable people here happy.
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  198. @Parsifal
    https://twitter.com/lawrencehurley/status/950935406803128325

    This is what Trump is up against and this is why people are unfair when they pile on criticism and insults whenever he says or does something they do not like.

    These people (unwilling to acknowledge reality) are the same people who think that the NG manning M2 machine gun turrets and blasting anyone who crosses is a real solution.

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  200. @Corn
    “Ted Cruz would have implemented an America First immigration policy”

    Whatever disagreements one has with Trump, I have no reason to believe this is true.

    Ted Cruz has the best Numbers USA score of any senator, and during the primaries he had the highest Numbers USA rating of any candidate.

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  201. Watch: Trump defiant after reporter says “anchor baby” is an offensive term

    http://insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/44197

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  202. @Ed
    You’re right. People have some unreal expectations. They don’t realize that Trump admin is fighting against entrenched orthodoxies from both parties. Yet to them anything short of mass deportation of non-whites is a cop out.

    One thing people don’t realize is that even if ‘65 immigration law was repealed we can’t go back to white only or mostly white immigration policy. US diplomacy would be rendered ineffective. We were able to get a away with a Euro focused immigration policy because back then most of the globe was controlled by Europeans. That is no longer the case.

    No diplomatic advantage is worth surrendering control of our immigration policy.

    If we wanted to reduce our annual immigration quota to zero, no other nation would have valid cause for complaint.

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  203. KM32 says:
    @Ed
    You’re right. People have some unreal expectations. They don’t realize that Trump admin is fighting against entrenched orthodoxies from both parties. Yet to them anything short of mass deportation of non-whites is a cop out.

    One thing people don’t realize is that even if ‘65 immigration law was repealed we can’t go back to white only or mostly white immigration policy. US diplomacy would be rendered ineffective. We were able to get a away with a Euro focused immigration policy because back then most of the globe was controlled by Europeans. That is no longer the case.

    One thing people don’t realize is that even if ‘65 immigration law was repealed we can’t go back to white only or mostly white immigration policy. US diplomacy would be rendered ineffective.

    Nobody boycotts Japan.

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    True but Japan also doesn’t have military bases around the world nor is it looked to as the policeman of the world.
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  206. I love Ann Corcoran; I do not love Trump. Trump has made himself unlovable with his weak, craven capitulation on immigration to the Democrats and the GOP CHEAP LABOR FACTION.

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  207. @Anonymous

    Historians will one day list the failure of the US to effectively close its border to Latin America’s peasant class and take the steps needed to remove most of its illegal population (look to Israel for an example!) as a key factor in its demise.
     
    Historians of the future will do no such thing. You seem to have forgotten that the victors write the history. Historians of the future will be woke to the liberation happening now.

    Not the historians of eastern Europe and China!!!!! They will look at the ruins of the former United States of America and conclude that its feckless dithering in stopping and reversing the deluge of largely low IQ peasants from Latin America (and elsewhere) as a key factor in it’s economic, political, technological and military demise.
    FACT: Mestizos/Indios average an IQ of about 89, which holds steady across multiple generations and is lower than the median IQ of Asians, Jews and white gentiles. Low IQ is indelibly linked with poverty, welfare use, illegitimacy and crime, a phenomenon well documented in 1994′s The Bell Curve.

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  208. FPD72 says:
    @Redman
    OT-but related to lowering the national IQ and the reversal of the Flynn effect.

    What’s up with NASA’s new rocket failing to reach orbit? Are we regressing on the mission to seek strange new worlds and new civilizations? Is this all there will ever be?

    2001 A Space Odyssey was the top grossing film in 1969, the year of my birth. I haven’t seen a Hollywood Film (in a theater) in 7 years, and shudder to think what this year’s box office winner might have been. Pixar is my guess.

    2001 A Space Odyssey came out and was the top grossing movie in 1968, not 1969. Compared to the Star Wars movies scientifically, it is a giant among dwarfs. No sound in the vacuum of space, no turning spacecraft as though they were maneuvering in an atmosphere, etc.

    I saw it at a huge theatre on Wiltshire Boulevard; on the basis of the “wows” and “far outs” I heard during the final sequence, I would have guessed that a fourth of the audience was stoned on grass or tripping on LSD.

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  209. Maj. Kong says:
    @Alden
    Ok, the oldest boomers were 10 when Brown vs Topeka integrates the schools
    They were 19 1965 immigration act passed, 22 when affirmation action passed 25 when Griggs vs Duke Power decreed that race, not qualifications was the only factor in hiring.

    It was a long march that began when WW1 ended and certain immigrants became judges attorneys, college teachers and journalists

    The GOP Congress elected in the 1990s had the opportunity to get rid of affirmative action, and slash immigration. That was a Congress full of Boomers elected by Boomers. And don’t forget that they didn’t do anything but kick the can on entitlements. (All that is needed is to remove the payroll tax cap and a capital gains surtax)

    Instead they impeached Clinton, but were exposed as hypocrites. (One might even say it was planned that way)

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    we can thank the "greatest Generation" for opening our borders, and forever changing the demographics of America.

    The Immigration Act of 1990 was passed by Republicans. It increased Legal Immigration by 100% and created the diversity Visa Lottery, the H1b visas program and eliminated the English language testing process for naturalization.

    41 Republican Senators voted for the bill, just 3 GOP senators opposed it (Pete Wilson, Jesse Helmes and Warren Rudman)...while 15 Democrats opposed the bill, including the Baby boomer - Al Gore and former Klansman Robert Byrd.

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  210. Maj. Kong says:
    @(((Owen)))

    the democrats will not agree to any deal that is not advantageous to them.

    Immigrants are like cash money for the democrats: they’re not going to accept a deal
     
    Donnelly, Tester, McCaskill, Heitkamp, Manchin, Baldwin, Nelson, and Casey are Democratic Senators from states Trump won in 2016. The first five are from states Trump won by 20+% landslides.

    Some of those Dems would be well advised to consider voting for a Trump compromise.

    But yes, most possible compromises are terrible. In particular, a start on the wall in exchange for amnesty looks like the most likely compromise. That would be awful.

    Much depends upon how popular Trump is. If the rural state Dems compromise, the Dem base won’t turnout.

    The tax plan was passed without any Dem votes, and remains highly unpopular in a country that desperately wants to raise taxes on the rich to pay for Western Europe levels of social spending. (What is actually in the tax law doesn’t matter)

    If Trump is pulling about 50-50 in the approval polls, the Dems might compromise. But even if they are defeated in November, the billionaire class will reward them for their treason.

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  211. Dmitry says:
    @Corn
    “2. The Wall ™ isn’t that big of a deal. Going after employers and government staffers who give jobs or services to illegals is much more important and its also easier to do”

    I tend to agree the Wall itself isn’t as important as drying up the sources of work that draws immigrants here. Which is why it pisses me off that for all his talk about the wall Trump isn’t pushing mandatory E-Verify down the Dems throat. In an electronic age implementing that should be fairly simple but by golly, we can never get around to it.

    Economic growth in Mexico might also be a useful factor in the future – in reducing or even reversing some of the immigration.

    If/when Mexico becomes a developed country (or even just reaches per capita GDP PPP of say current Russia), the motive to emigrate will be a lot less. In addition, immigrants crossing Mexico from other parts of Latin America, will be more likely to stay in Mexico, rather than attempting to continue.

    If you look at emigration graphs for FSU, they skyrocketed in the 1990s. By the 2000s (when living standards in Russia were rising fast – mainly due to price of oil), this rate of emigration fell by a factor of 10, and there were also many people who returned to their home country.

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  212. Dmitry says:
    @International Jew
    No. DACA for a border fence, e-verify, no more chain migration etc etc is a bad deal, because all those other things can be reversed in the minute of the next Democratic President's term. But the longer the "dreamers" are here, the harder it'll be to deport them. They'll all have anchor babies, US citizen spouses, and new sob stories.

    Why is Trump even negotiating? He holds all the cards; he can end DACA with his pen, he can expel every last illegal of every stripe by exercising his executive authority (in fact he's violating his oath of office every day he doesn't expel them). He can declare that we've been invaded (which is true) and order enough of the US Army along the Mexican border that we won't need a wall at all. He has authority to end the whole refugee racket. He can order our consulates to stop giving any more visas.

    He can declare that we’ve been invaded (which is true) and order enough of the US Army along the Mexican border that we won’t need a wall at all.

    The army along the border by itself, without the help of physical barriers/sensors, is obviously not sufficient to stop illegal infiltration.

    It is very difficult in terms of manpower, to cover thousand kilometer borders from infiltrators – who cross at night, usually in the weakest sectors, at the points where they have the advantage of natural geographical features and so on.

    I also believe there are legal issues (although I have very little knowledge about this area, so I might be wrong). It usually seems that once the illegal immigrants cross the international border, the country is obligated to take them into a detention center.

    The key is to stop them from physically crossing the border, and that requires some kind of very effective physical barrier/fence/wall that alerts the army patrols to an attempt to cross the border. The army (or border protection force) can then physically stop the border crossing from occurring.

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  213. Ed says:
    @KM32

    One thing people don’t realize is that even if ‘65 immigration law was repealed we can’t go back to white only or mostly white immigration policy. US diplomacy would be rendered ineffective.
     
    Nobody boycotts Japan.

    True but Japan also doesn’t have military bases around the world nor is it looked to as the policeman of the world.

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  214. Very bad news. Democrats and Republicans are attempting to isolate Stephen Miller, portraying him as power behind the throne.

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  215. Corn says:

    A federal judge has actually issued an order blocking Trump from scrapping DACA. A program which is arguably unconstitutional to begin with.

    The courts are making no attempt to make sense.

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  216. I would be personally happy with fully legalized residency, but not citizenship, in exchange for the Trump administration immigration agenda: border wall, end to chain migration, move to system that prioritizes skilled migrants that already learned English.

    I’m expecting to be disappointed.

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  217. @Ed
    You’re right. People have some unreal expectations. They don’t realize that Trump admin is fighting against entrenched orthodoxies from both parties. Yet to them anything short of mass deportation of non-whites is a cop out.

    One thing people don’t realize is that even if ‘65 immigration law was repealed we can’t go back to white only or mostly white immigration policy. US diplomacy would be rendered ineffective. We were able to get a away with a Euro focused immigration policy because back then most of the globe was controlled by Europeans. That is no longer the case.

    One thing people don’t realize is that even if ‘65 immigration law was repealed we can’t go back to white only or mostly white immigration policy. US diplomacy would be rendered ineffective. We were able to get a away with a Euro focused immigration policy because back then most of the globe was controlled by Europeans. That is no longer the case.

    Ending the diversity lottery, ending chain migration, and giving preference to skilled migrants that already speak English, are all politically viable moves that would make the reasonable people here happy.

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  218. @Dowit
    This has been an undeclared war by insurgents for the last 20 years. Of course dems will shut the government down. That's the whole point. Same as when the majority of Republicans drew a line in the sand on Slavery. Of course the South wanted a Civil War. Gaming the Constitution for coin has always been their objective. These are innately horrible people running barefoot over our Constitution, just like they always have. It's likely a genetic malady, since it has been crawling under the countries skin since the beginning. The Civil War cleansed the nation of a dominating social pathology. Shutting down the government is good. It starves the cold, and will make it dormant again. Until the next time.

    "Oh, no! We can't demand that the Democrats end Slavery! It will bring a Civil War!"

    Bring it.

    "Oh, no! We can't demand Democrats adhere to the rule of law they were charged to protect. It will bring a Government shutdown!"

    Do it.

    Many Americans died before you for this country. You can sacrifice by being late for work.

    Do it for America. Do it for the world. America is the nail on which we hang Western Civilization. You don't just get it as a present. Sometimes asses need slinging.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-yZNMWFqvM

    The War of Northern Aggression killed Federalism and installed the cult of despotic all invasive Federal power. It also put into full motion the war on White Men. Lincoln and his minions were much worse than Stalin and his henchmen.

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  219. @IDFK

    Yeah, to me it all comes down to numbers and quality of immigrant.
     
    To me, that means you haven't thought it through much, nor do you have respect for numbers. They're abstract to you, so you sit on your ass at the keyboard, tossing out opinions like a gay french king, with unintended comedic results.

    We have hundreds of millions of people here. How many more is enough for you?

    10 million? 20 million? 100 million?

    Why, or why not. And how does adding another 10 million fertile immigrants from foreign lands, many who have to be dragged kicking and screaming into actual american culture, dramatically add to our quality of life as it stands now? How will importing more potential super-consumers with limited skill sets when they arrive, and when they die, and their accompanying trash help your kids have a better life in the future? Why do you think desalinization plants dotting the coast of California is a good thing, all in all? A desert scrubland doesn't water itself, bub. Those millions of yours need watering, and trash pickup. How does their sending money they make here back to their host country help our local economy? Or unless it's a starbucks, they can go fuck themselves? How's your logic work?

    I don't think we need 1 person more for at least a decade.

    Tell us what you think you figured out and why. Doing so might actually force you into thinking about the subject rationally, instead of talking out of your ass.

    Amen! I couldn’t agree more.

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  220. @Alden
    Ok, the oldest boomers were 10 when Brown vs Topeka integrates the schools
    They were 19 1965 immigration act passed, 22 when affirmation action passed 25 when Griggs vs Duke Power decreed that race, not qualifications was the only factor in hiring.

    It was a long march that began when WW1 ended and certain immigrants became judges attorneys, college teachers and journalists

    The long march began in the US in the 1800′s: abolitionists, women’s suffrage, John Brown, Lincoln, Seward, Sherman, Yankees, Black Republicans and Radicals (see 1864 presidential campaign) .

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  221. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    No. DACA for a border fence, e-verify, no more chain migration etc etc is a bad deal, because all those other things can be reversed in the minute of the next Democratic President's term. But the longer the "dreamers" are here, the harder it'll be to deport them. They'll all have anchor babies, US citizen spouses, and new sob stories.

    Why is Trump even negotiating? He holds all the cards; he can end DACA with his pen, he can expel every last illegal of every stripe by exercising his executive authority (in fact he's violating his oath of office every day he doesn't expel them). He can declare that we've been invaded (which is true) and order enough of the US Army along the Mexican border that we won't need a wall at all. He has authority to end the whole refugee racket. He can order our consulates to stop giving any more visas.

    We need to export Dreamers to make their jobs available to native US citizens. A decline in unemployment means the demand for workers will rise, and our wages will rise. White people will be making more money and be in a better financial position. This will increase support for Trump and make it more likely that he’ll win in 2020. Trump’s an idiot if he doesn’t see this. He’s kidding himself if he thinks the Dreamers will vote for him. They’ll be thinking about their parents who are still illegal, and whom Trump won’t legalize. They’ll be thinking about every single one of their relatives who is stuck in Mexico that Trump locked out. They’ll vote Democrat, period.

    The US does not benefit from making 900,000 Dreamers with an average IQ of 90 into US citizens. We don’t have enough blue collar jobs available for them. We have an entire lower class of whites and blacks who who need those jobs who are either on welfare or unemployment.

    But 900,000 Americanized Dreamers deported to Mexico, who no longer accept the typical Mexican way things are done, could revolutionize Mexico and change their own society for the better.

    I don’t know why people don’t see these points. They’re obvious.

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    Trump is not the idiot here, you are by far. Judging by your post your IQ can’t be much more than 90 where should we send you? I mean anyone that thinks all 900k DREAMers are from Mexico can’t be that bright.
    , @Massimo Heitor

    We need to export Dreamers to make their jobs available to native US citizens. A decline in unemployment means the demand for workers will rise, and our wages will rise.
     
    The job argument is the worst argument for restricting immigration.

    I support the increased competition in mostly free markets that comes with more free migration. Immigrants do compete for jobs with incumbent citizens but they also increase demand for labor and grow the market overall.

    I support immigration restriction as I believe existing cultures/peoples/nations should be allowed to continue in roughly their current form and should not be forced to radically transform via mass demographic changes.
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  222. @istevefan

    order enough of the US Army along the Mexican border that we won’t need a wall at all.
     
    One of the historical missions of the US Army was doing border duty along the southern border.

    Indeed, I’ve heard that the historical mission of many armies was to defend their own countries! I know, that sounds like crazy talk today…

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  223. Travis says:
    @Maj. Kong
    The GOP Congress elected in the 1990s had the opportunity to get rid of affirmative action, and slash immigration. That was a Congress full of Boomers elected by Boomers. And don't forget that they didn't do anything but kick the can on entitlements. (All that is needed is to remove the payroll tax cap and a capital gains surtax)

    Instead they impeached Clinton, but were exposed as hypocrites. (One might even say it was planned that way)

    we can thank the “greatest Generation” for opening our borders, and forever changing the demographics of America.

    The Immigration Act of 1990 was passed by Republicans. It increased Legal Immigration by 100% and created the diversity Visa Lottery, the H1b visas program and eliminated the English language testing process for naturalization.

    41 Republican Senators voted for the bill, just 3 GOP senators opposed it (Pete Wilson, Jesse Helmes and Warren Rudman)…while 15 Democrats opposed the bill, including the Baby boomer – Al Gore and former Klansman Robert Byrd.

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    Indeed the 1990 act was probably worse than the 1986 act. One good result of the latter act was the Jordan Commission, which Gingrich and Kemp ignored.

    At that time, Asians voted GOP out of anti-communism, rather than voting Dem as they do today out of anti-white racism and anti-Christianity. The end of the Cold War was the shift, along with the decline in the California defense industry.
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  224. Iceland, which is currently shaken by an outbreak of murder most foul.

    I remember the good-whites of Iceland, of whom none on earth are gooder or whiter, were very excited about inviting in lots of Syrian refugees. From what I can gather less than a thousand have arrived so far and I don’t know if the murder wave would be connected.

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    GET OFF MY LAWN!

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  226. Ed says:
    @Parsifal
    And what happens when Trump leaves office? Maybe Pence or some other Republican gets elected, maybe not. If not, a Democrat president can reverse it all within days...The whole point is to have a wall ans an immigration system that outlives the Trump presidency.

    Trump nor anyone is deporting 800, 000 people the sooner you people return to your senses the sooner we can have a substantive debate on here.

    Changes to legal immigration law cannot be circumvented by executive branch. If there’s a cap on visas in the law that’s it. There’s a law Clinton passed to deport any non-US citizen convicted of an aggravated felony. Immigration judges across the land would love to spare certain individuals but the law made it automatic and outside of any individual judges domain. So guess what happens? The legal resident that gets convicted of dealing weed gets deported to Haiti even though they have no memory living there.

    See the law works quite well. Leveraging the fates of 800,000 people who even if they lost status will not leave, will marry & have US kids to make future changes to immigration law is the way to go.

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    Trump nor anyone is deporting 800, 000 people the sooner you people return to your senses the sooner we can have a substantive debate on here
     
    Mass scale forced deportation like you describe is unrealistic. Refusal to legalize + e-verify + self-deportation is completely realistic.
    , @J.Ross
    >that gets convicted
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  227. Ed says:
    @Anon
    We need to export Dreamers to make their jobs available to native US citizens. A decline in unemployment means the demand for workers will rise, and our wages will rise. White people will be making more money and be in a better financial position. This will increase support for Trump and make it more likely that he'll win in 2020. Trump's an idiot if he doesn't see this. He's kidding himself if he thinks the Dreamers will vote for him. They'll be thinking about their parents who are still illegal, and whom Trump won't legalize. They'll be thinking about every single one of their relatives who is stuck in Mexico that Trump locked out. They'll vote Democrat, period.

    The US does not benefit from making 900,000 Dreamers with an average IQ of 90 into US citizens. We don't have enough blue collar jobs available for them. We have an entire lower class of whites and blacks who who need those jobs who are either on welfare or unemployment.

    But 900,000 Americanized Dreamers deported to Mexico, who no longer accept the typical Mexican way things are done, could revolutionize Mexico and change their own society for the better.

    I don't know why people don't see these points. They're obvious.

    Trump is not the idiot here, you are by far. Judging by your post your IQ can’t be much more than 90 where should we send you? I mean anyone that thinks all 900k DREAMers are from Mexico can’t be that bright.

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    75% of the dreamers are Mexicans...with another 10% from other Latin American nations....more than 750,000 of the 1,000,000 DACA eligible aliens are in fact Mexicans, many Mexicans were too lazy to bother doing the DACA paperwork, but if amnesty gives them actual green cards we will see many more apply.
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  228. @anonymouslee
    Well, boomers, you did it.

    One generation born to peace and wealth in the greatest nation in human history destroys that nation in their own lifetime. One generation to flush their ancestors and their children down the toilet at the same time, after robbing both.

    One generation born to peace and wealth in the greatest nation in human history destroys that nation in their own lifetime. One generation to flush their ancestors and their children down the toilet at the same time, after robbing both.

    Divide and conquer. Thanks for fomenting intergenerational hostility. It’s sure to help.

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  229. Berty says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...
    The War of Northern Aggression killed Federalism and installed the cult of despotic all invasive Federal power. It also put into full motion the war on White Men. Lincoln and his minions were much worse than Stalin and his henchmen.

    I was wondering if you were a troll and this confirms it.

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    Whoa better settle down calling people black.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Thanks! I'll consider that a compliment coming from you.

    Have a nice day.
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  230. Maj. Kong says:
    @Travis
    we can thank the "greatest Generation" for opening our borders, and forever changing the demographics of America.

    The Immigration Act of 1990 was passed by Republicans. It increased Legal Immigration by 100% and created the diversity Visa Lottery, the H1b visas program and eliminated the English language testing process for naturalization.

    41 Republican Senators voted for the bill, just 3 GOP senators opposed it (Pete Wilson, Jesse Helmes and Warren Rudman)...while 15 Democrats opposed the bill, including the Baby boomer - Al Gore and former Klansman Robert Byrd.

    Indeed the 1990 act was probably worse than the 1986 act. One good result of the latter act was the Jordan Commission, which Gingrich and Kemp ignored.

    At that time, Asians voted GOP out of anti-communism, rather than voting Dem as they do today out of anti-white racism and anti-Christianity. The end of the Cold War was the shift, along with the decline in the California defense industry.

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  231. @candid_observer
    What Trump can't do by himself is change the law on immigration so that it eliminates the visa lottery and chain immigration. Those might reduce immigration by half.

    That is a very good part of the game here. He needs something to trade for these reductions.

    Agree , Needs to end the diversity lottery, build the wall and cap legal Immigration at 950,000 per year….any green card given to a dreamer will reduce the number of green cards available.

    Ideally we would cap Legal immigration 450,000 per year, but not a single politician in congress today would even propose such a reduction. We will be fortunate to see an end to the diversity lottery, which is how most Africans and Muslims obtain green cards.

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  232. @War for Blair Mountain
    Here is the analogy:

    People afflicted with Lou Gehrig’s disease will have what looks like..to a certain degree...remission of symptoms and halting of disease progression. And they think that this has happened because of some herbal concoction they have taken for weeks...They end up dying within the ALS three year time period on a bi-pap machine at night...Death highly inevitable within three years..That’s the way it is with ALS...

    The Policy Wonkery I read in the above comments just gives the illusion that the America can survive as two hostile race-based Nations existing within the borders of Cornball Proposition State America....with DACA...without DACA....America will cease to exist...the expiration date is already out there in the aether....And you are going to hate what comes after post-90 percent Majority Native Born White America....this is not to say that there is not a way to reverse the situation...but your gonna have to stay out of NCAA Div 1 SEC Football Stadiums....

    The Policy Wonkery I read in the above comments just gives the illusion that the America can survive as two hostile race-based Nations existing within the borders of Cornball Proposition State America.

    Why can’t it? There are many multiracial countries.

    And you are going to hate what comes after post-90 percent Majority Native Born White America….

    What comes after?

    your gonna have to stay out of NCAA Div 1 SEC Football Stadiums….

    What do football stadiums have to do with anything?

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  233. @Intelligent Dasein
    I find it incredible that there are people here willing to accept a DACA amnesty under any circumstances. Let me make it perfectly clear what the consequences are: You accept DACA and it's all over. Period. End of story.

    Not only will the long-impending demographic doom be realized, but the rule of law will be abrogated and the sovereignty of the nation will be destroyed. Whites will be a people without a country and there will be no one left to defend them.

    Get it through your damn heads that DACA is death. Hold Trump's feet to the fire. If he feels enough resistance he won't do the deal. This is our only hope.

    The future of the world may very well be riding on the tweets of Ann Coulter.

    But we need to end the visa lottery and chain migration, do worksite enforcement, and build a high-tech security fence. All that doesn’t get done without DACA, does it?

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  234. @Jack Hanson
    The same place we are now.

    Deifying a commentator like you and many do around here is weird and counter productive. At least if you're going to deify Augustus, he's an emperor.

    President Trump listens to her.

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  235. @Ed
    Trump is not the idiot here, you are by far. Judging by your post your IQ can’t be much more than 90 where should we send you? I mean anyone that thinks all 900k DREAMers are from Mexico can’t be that bright.

    75% of the dreamers are Mexicans…with another 10% from other Latin American nations….more than 750,000 of the 1,000,000 DACA eligible aliens are in fact Mexicans, many Mexicans were too lazy to bother doing the DACA paperwork, but if amnesty gives them actual green cards we will see many more apply.

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  236. @Chrisnonymous
    Jackoff Hanson: he of the rosy-colored-glasses-palmed hands.

    I’ve known people w/ hemorrhoids who are less ass mad than you.

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  237. @Nico
    I’ll not enter into the numbers game with people who refuse to look beyond a cited “official” exterior figure.

    I’ll only say that I have an “issue” with almost everything Western leaders have done in the past 30 some years. Maybe it’s that I’m out of step with a rotten Zeitgeist, or maybe you have a point that simply, I’m wrong and they’re right, but I still prefer the way things were to the way they are. And if that makes me a fool I suppose I’m too dense to give a damn.

    Still, I can’t help but express amusement that you think it worth your time to taunt lowly fools like myself who dare call Great Powers into question on message boards.

    You tired running with those goalposts yet?

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  238. @Berty
    I was wondering if you were a troll and this confirms it.

    Whoa better settle down calling people black.

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  239. @Berty
    I was wondering if you were a troll and this confirms it.

    Thanks! I’ll consider that a compliment coming from you.

    Have a nice day.

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  240. @Anon
    We need to export Dreamers to make their jobs available to native US citizens. A decline in unemployment means the demand for workers will rise, and our wages will rise. White people will be making more money and be in a better financial position. This will increase support for Trump and make it more likely that he'll win in 2020. Trump's an idiot if he doesn't see this. He's kidding himself if he thinks the Dreamers will vote for him. They'll be thinking about their parents who are still illegal, and whom Trump won't legalize. They'll be thinking about every single one of their relatives who is stuck in Mexico that Trump locked out. They'll vote Democrat, period.

    The US does not benefit from making 900,000 Dreamers with an average IQ of 90 into US citizens. We don't have enough blue collar jobs available for them. We have an entire lower class of whites and blacks who who need those jobs who are either on welfare or unemployment.

    But 900,000 Americanized Dreamers deported to Mexico, who no longer accept the typical Mexican way things are done, could revolutionize Mexico and change their own society for the better.

    I don't know why people don't see these points. They're obvious.

    We need to export Dreamers to make their jobs available to native US citizens. A decline in unemployment means the demand for workers will rise, and our wages will rise.

    The job argument is the worst argument for restricting immigration.

    I support the increased competition in mostly free markets that comes with more free migration. Immigrants do compete for jobs with incumbent citizens but they also increase demand for labor and grow the market overall.

    I support immigration restriction as I believe existing cultures/peoples/nations should be allowed to continue in roughly their current form and should not be forced to radically transform via mass demographic changes.

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  241. @Ed
    Trump nor anyone is deporting 800, 000 people the sooner you people return to your senses the sooner we can have a substantive debate on here.

    Changes to legal immigration law cannot be circumvented by executive branch. If there’s a cap on visas in the law that’s it. There’s a law Clinton passed to deport any non-US citizen convicted of an aggravated felony. Immigration judges across the land would love to spare certain individuals but the law made it automatic and outside of any individual judges domain. So guess what happens? The legal resident that gets convicted of dealing weed gets deported to Haiti even though they have no memory living there.

    See the law works quite well. Leveraging the fates of 800,000 people who even if they lost status will not leave, will marry & have US kids to make future changes to immigration law is the way to go.

    Trump nor anyone is deporting 800, 000 people the sooner you people return to your senses the sooner we can have a substantive debate on here

    Mass scale forced deportation like you describe is unrealistic. Refusal to legalize + e-verify + self-deportation is completely realistic.

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  242. @Opinionator
    President Trump listens to her.

    Yeah, according to her.

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    Trump follows her on Twitter, actually.
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  243. Dutch Boy says:
    @Dmitry
    Trump is smart enough to understand about the importance of loyalty from his supporters (note this is a one way relationship - from his supporters to him). People like Steve Bannon (or perhaps Ann Coulter), can do a lot more damage to him, than people who were never his supporters to begin with.

    In the case of Putin, it was people who were Putin's earliest backers, that were treated as his first threats. He doesn't mind people on Ekho Moskvy - they would never vote for him anyway, they can chatter away until end of days.

    Pure Machiavelli!

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  244. Dutch Boy says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    I find it incredible that there are people here willing to accept a DACA amnesty under any circumstances. Let me make it perfectly clear what the consequences are: You accept DACA and it's all over. Period. End of story.

    Not only will the long-impending demographic doom be realized, but the rule of law will be abrogated and the sovereignty of the nation will be destroyed. Whites will be a people without a country and there will be no one left to defend them.

    Get it through your damn heads that DACA is death. Hold Trump's feet to the fire. If he feels enough resistance he won't do the deal. This is our only hope.

    The future of the world may very well be riding on the tweets of Ann Coulter.

    Agreed. It would add hundreds of thousands of Democratic voters to the rolls in the near future, enough to tip legislatures and Congress to the Democratic Party permanently and then it is goodbye USA.

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  245. Travis says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    I find it incredible that there are people here willing to accept a DACA amnesty under any circumstances. Let me make it perfectly clear what the consequences are: You accept DACA and it's all over. Period. End of story.

    Not only will the long-impending demographic doom be realized, but the rule of law will be abrogated and the sovereignty of the nation will be destroyed. Whites will be a people without a country and there will be no one left to defend them.

    Get it through your damn heads that DACA is death. Hold Trump's feet to the fire. If he feels enough resistance he won't do the deal. This is our only hope.

    The future of the world may very well be riding on the tweets of Ann Coulter.

    it would be worth it to grant residency to 800,000 DACA recipients in return for ending the Diversity Visa and Building the Wall….It would not be worth it if we only get the Wall.

    Ideally DACA recipients would be forced to pay a fine of $7,500 to raise the billions required to build the wall and Legal Immigration would be capped at 500,000 per year.

    But if Trump trades amnesty for a wall it is a big mistake and will result in the end of the GOP.

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  246. @Jack Hanson
    Then you and me and everyone else has much bigger problems than worrying about our posting careers.

    Not me. I got only a few more spins around the giant fusion reactor. I’ll weep for the children.

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  247. @John Gruskos
    Stephen Miller convinced us all to vote for the wrong candidate.

    Ted Cruz would have implemented an America First immigration policy, Rand Paul would have implemented an America First foreign policy, and they would have done so with a modicum of dignity.

    Trump is the worst of both worlds. He makes nationalism look bad with his buffoonery while implementing the globalist agenda.

    Here is a youtube of Rand Paul running away from Dreamers. Steve King held his ground.

    Ted Cruz welcomed “unaccompanied minors” from Central America (a/k/a MS13 gangbangers) with Glen Beck.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/07/18/mike-lee-sends-regrets-ted-cruz-signs-up-for-glenn-beck-soccer-balls-teddy-bears/

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  248. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Ed
    Trump nor anyone is deporting 800, 000 people the sooner you people return to your senses the sooner we can have a substantive debate on here.

    Changes to legal immigration law cannot be circumvented by executive branch. If there’s a cap on visas in the law that’s it. There’s a law Clinton passed to deport any non-US citizen convicted of an aggravated felony. Immigration judges across the land would love to spare certain individuals but the law made it automatic and outside of any individual judges domain. So guess what happens? The legal resident that gets convicted of dealing weed gets deported to Haiti even though they have no memory living there.

    See the law works quite well. Leveraging the fates of 800,000 people who even if they lost status will not leave, will marry & have US kids to make future changes to immigration law is the way to go.

    >that gets convicted

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  249. utu says:

    Coulter: It Turns Out Bannon Was Trump’s Brain

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/10/coulter-turns-bannon-trumps-brain/

    He then proceeded to completely sell out the base and actually added to his problems by appearing senile.

    In a half-dozen exchanges — which, again, he wanted televised — Trump responded to remarks as if he had no clue what the person was saying. One senator would talk — he’d agree. Someone else would say the exact opposite — he’d agree with that, too.

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    This sounds to me like he's negotiating. Seem unreasonable from a distance, seem reasonable up close, maneuver them or ultimatum them as you deem appropriate, register the result as though it is not a surprise at all, walk away while they try to figure you out.
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  250. J.Ross says: • Website
    @utu

    Coulter: It Turns Out Bannon Was Trump’s Brain
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/10/coulter-turns-bannon-trumps-brain/

    He then proceeded to completely sell out the base and actually added to his problems by appearing senile.

    In a half-dozen exchanges — which, again, he wanted televised — Trump responded to remarks as if he had no clue what the person was saying. One senator would talk — he’d agree. Someone else would say the exact opposite — he’d agree with that, too.
     

    This sounds to me like he’s negotiating. Seem unreasonable from a distance, seem reasonable up close, maneuver them or ultimatum them as you deem appropriate, register the result as though it is not a surprise at all, walk away while they try to figure you out.

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  251. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymouslee
    Well, boomers, you did it.

    One generation born to peace and wealth in the greatest nation in human history destroys that nation in their own lifetime. One generation to flush their ancestors and their children down the toilet at the same time, after robbing both.

    That’s unfair. They’re a product of their upbringing. Their parents are to blame, or rather whoever planted the idea in their heads that disciplining children was a kind of ‘fascism’.

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  252. @Jack Hanson
    Yeah, according to her.

    Trump follows her on Twitter, actually.

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    >Twitter follower
    >Listens to

    These are not the same thing.
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  253. Bubba says:
    @Opinionator
    How did Howard Dean get into medical school with horrible grades?

    He is a trust fund baby and it was most likely a family payoff to get in. Here is a quote from The New Yorker article that mentions it:

    It’s probably a stretch to infer that Dean talked his way into Einstein, but his talent for persuasion is evident from the notes of his admissions interview, which were excavated last summer by the Boston Globe. “ ‘Grades too miserable to discuss,’ ” Dr. Russell Anderson, the interviewer, wrote, quoting Dean’s own characterization of his Yale transcript. (In fact, Dean had compiled a roughly B-minus average.)

    So he received what they used to call “Gentleman C’s” and he majored in Political Science which is not a tough competitive curriculum like pre-med, math, physics, chemistry, or engineering. If you look at the academic majors that score lowest on the LSAT, GMAT, MCAT etc… it’s political science.
    Here is the link – https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2004/01/12/running-on-instinct

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  254. @Opinionator
    Trump follows her on Twitter, actually.

    >Twitter follower
    >Listens to

    These are not the same thing.

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