The Unz Review: An Alternative Media Selection
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
 TeasersiSteve Blog
75th Anniversary of Diversity Day
🔊 Listen RSS
Email This Page to Someone

 Remember My Information



=>

Bookmark Toggle AllToCAdd to LibraryRemove from Library • BShow CommentNext New CommentNext New ReplyRead More
ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
AgreeDisagreeLOLTroll
These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Troll, or LOL with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used once per hour.
Ignore Commenter Follow Commenter
Search Text Case Sensitive  Exact Words  Include Comments
List of Bookmarks

Maybe I don’t remember much history, but I do know that, judging from this picture, D-Day must have failed, what with the crippling lack of diversity among the generals planning it.

After all, #DiversityIsOurStrength. So, I presume, the D in D-Day stood for Diversity? And yet, where’s the drag queen chief of staff? Who is crunching the Hidden Figures?

Diversity

Also, it occurs to me that the Axis must have won the War.

I mean, the Allies’ Big Three of Churchill, FDR, and Stalin were lily white, while the Axis’ Big Three enjoyed the blessings of Diversity in the form of the Tojo.

So, judging from the movie and TV watching I’ve done over the years, the less Diverse side, the Allies, must have lost to the more diverse side, the Axis.

It’s simple math, people.

 
Hide 330 CommentsLeave a Comment
Commenters to Ignore...to FollowEndorsed Only
Trim Comments?
  1. Well if you start counting the cars on our roads, the Nips won.

    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Replies: @bored identity
    But if you start counting all the pundits in our media, the....


    ....never mind.
    , @White Guy In Japan
    Check out Japan's demographics, crime rates and test scores. They won something.
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    And if you check out the pictures of Hiroshima/Nagasaki 1945-now versus same for Detroit and Baltimore . . .
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Well if you start counting the cars on our roads, the Nips won.
     
    True, but qualitative analysis should augment quantitative analysis here.
  2. Don’t forget that Italy was also part of the Axis. Italians were not considered White until years later, when Alan Alda had appeared on TV for a few hit seasons of MASH.

    • Replies: @Anon
    The Allies were much more multiethnic.

    America had Black soldiers.

    France made use of North Africans.

    Britain used Indians.

    China fought on the Allied site.

    Jews were Pro-Ally.

    Japanese were disadvantaged by having half of America's population, HIGHLY limited resources, and only a small number of allies. Also, no smart&creative Jewish scientists to create the Atomic bomb for them.

    If Japan had what America had, the war may have gone differently.
    , @Barnard
    I think it is only Italian Americans anarchists who were killed and imprisoned because of the color of their skin that qualify as non white. The actual Italians were as bad as every other kind of European. Kind of like how the Irish were victims of white supremacy yet carried out the white supremacist Civil War draft riots simultaneously.
    , @njguy73

    Don’t forget that Italy was also part of the Axis. Italians were not considered White until years later, when Alan Alda had appeared on TV for a few hit seasons of MASH.

     

    Yes, I remember reading about how Tony Lazzeri, Joe DiMaggio, and Frankie Crosetti were barred from major league baseball and could only play in the Catholic League.

    Oh, wait, you're being facetious as well.

    Sorry. Any time I see "Italians/Irish/Jews weren't considered white," I go into "You're a real special kind of stupid, aren't you?" mode.

    Irony doesn't work as well as it used to, because irony depends on people being able to comprehend truth. We live in an age where irony and stupidity have become indistinguishable.
    , @Icy Blast
    Alan Alda is Jewish. And the Italians I met in Germany looked white to me - many of them had blonde hair. Must have been Lombards.
    , @M_Young
    LOL.
  3. To be fair, the Soviets had some diversity in the Red Army, including Central Asian nationalities.

    • Replies: @bored identity
    aka, Borat Goes To Berlin.
    , @Anonymous
    Who were notoriously badly-behaved. Much of the 'Russian' raping and looting that went on in the wake of the Red Army was carried out by these guys.
  4. There is some diversity of uniform hue.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    The portrait was informative for me: I had not realised the Royal Air Force's uniforms were so similar to (perhaps an inspiration for?) the uniform later adopted by the American air force when it was created from the army's air corps.


    (A quibble: It wasn't all generals planning that invasion; I reckon the fellow second from the left is meant to be Admiral Ramsay?)
  5. Silly. Ike WAS a drag queen. Didn’t you know?

    • Replies: @Dr. X

    Silly. Ike WAS a drag queen. Didn’t you know?
     
    And a Jew...
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Silly. Ike WAS a drag queen. Didn’t you know?
     
    Wasn't little brother Milton dressed as a girl for quite some time by their parents?
    , @Dale Gribble
    MONTY liked it FULL
  6. So, judging from the movie and TV watching I’ve done over the years, the less Diverse side, the Allies, must have lost to the more diverse side, the Axis.

    If only.

  7. Map behind them shows Poland with pre 1939 borders, but Czechoslovakia sans the Sudetenland. Interesting.

  8. Steve, this was too easy. Shooting fish in a barrel. Music, science, technology, philosophy, freedom, liberty and successful human endeavor to secure the advancement there-of. It’s all white males except for the outliers (whom modern society obsesses over, in attempt to deny the reality of modern human history). (I can’t add making war to the list because diverse folk like Gehngis Kahn have been quite impressive at that savage art, though his aim was not exactly the liberation of Europe).

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Gehngis Kahn
     
    Is he some Jewish figure of note?
    , @95Theses
    And there it is, the forever-denied undeniable and inconvenient facts of history – the evidence of which is borne out in the inventiveness, creativity, abilities, and successes of one particular demographic. Not to mention the fact all those achievements also account for the irrational ressentiment and gnashing of teeth directed at white males by every other demographic.

    Why couldn’t there be just one voice that said, “Thank you, white males, for all the contributions you’ve made for the welfare of all humanity?”

    , @Corvinus
    "It’s all white males..."

    who relied on the contributions of past civilizations--Romans, Greeks, Mesopotamia, and Yangtze River. Remember, you didn't built that.

    And, Mr. Sailer...

    There was diversity in the planning—Americans (mutts), the English (whose background include Celts, Angles, Saxons, and Romans), and the French (Frankish).

    Moreover, the soldiers on the ground who were involved on D-Day came from different ethnicities and religions. Even blacks got involved in the fracas! The only African American force in battle that day was the 320th Barrage Balloon Battalion. Its job was to set up explosive-rigged balloons to prevent German airplanes from attacking the Allies. Waverly Woodson, Jr. was a medical worker with the battalion. Before his death in 2005, he told The Associated Press in 1994 about how his landing ship hit a mine on the way to Omaha Beach. “The tide brought us in, and that’s when the 88s hit us,” he said of the German 88 millimeter guns. “They were murder. Of our 26 Navy personnel there was only one left. They raked the whole top of the ship and killed all the crew. Then they started with the mortar shells”.

    Perhaps instead of SJW clickbait you could have found some unique pattern that only you are allegedly known for. Of course, perhaps there is a refusal by Mr. Sailer not to NOTICE that the ones who got us involved in World War II were white men.

    Not your best work, Mr. Sailer, especially on an important day in world history.
    , @Sam Coulton
    Genghis Khan was white.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0161622

    Although many regard the portrait at the National Palace Museum in Taipei, Taiwan, as the depiction most closely resembles Genghis Khan, all existing portraits, including this one, are essentially arbitrary interpretations of Genghis Khan’s appearance by historians living generations after Genghis Khan’s era [2, 6]. Although the factual nature of the statement is controversial, Persian historian Rashid-al-Din reported in his “Jami’s al-tawarikh” written at the start of the 14th century that most Borjigin ancestors of Genghis Khan were tall, long-bearded, red-haired, and bluish green-eyed, suggesting that the Genghis Khan’s male lineage had some Caucasoid-specific genetic features [44]. He also said that Genghis Khan looked just like his ancestors, but Kublai Khan, his grandson, did not inherit his ancestor’s red hair, implying that the addition of Mongoloid-specific alleles for determining hair color to the genetic makeup of Genghis Khan’s Borjigin clan was probably from the grandmother or mother of Kublai Khan, that is, the wife or daughter-in-law of Genghis Khan.
     
  9. Anonymous[335] • Disclaimer says:

    The Allies consisted of multiracial empires and polities. While the Axis powers fought to establish monoracial and monoethnic empires and polities like the Greater Germanic Reich and the Great East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. So calling it “Diversity Day” is not necessarily inappropriate.

    • Replies: @Jake
    Excellent point. The Brits long before, back to the Victorian era, had established the forerunner of Affirmative Action - to uplift the Elites of the many blacks and browns ruled by London WASPs, integrating them more and more with the Brit WASP Elites, while continuing to shit on the vast majority of whites native to the British isles and asserting the inferiority of virtually 'other' white Gentiles and their cultures, with bankrolling increasingly by Jews.


    What possibly could go wrong with that? How could that be anything less than the most ideal empire in history? Surely no one could be so crazy as to suggest anything negative could be inherent in that?
    , @Anon

    The Allies consisted of multiracial empires and polities. While the Axis powers fought to establish monoracial and monoethnic empires and polities like the Greater Germanic Reich and the Great East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. So calling it “Diversity Day” is not necessarily inappropriate.
     
    Perhaps I lost something in your sentence composition, but I have to ask how it follows that a victory of the multicultural forces on D Day, leading to the post WWII hegemony of diversity, makes it inappropriate to satirize D Day as Diversity Day?

    The Allied powers fought to maintain the sociopolitical slide into the Jewish apocalypse, after which the entire world is supposed to be comprised of a monoethnic empire of Jews with no remaining nations other than Israel. Per the stated ultimate goal in the Jewish texts.

    The Germans named the Jews as the primary enemy for that essential reason.

    As well the reasons found in all of the Jewish machinations that were driving toward their stated ultimate goal: including the destruction of the modern Canaanites, which for Jews is any problematic nation that either culturally, economically, or militarily resists its own dissolution.

  10. I learned from The Imitation Game that Dub-Dub Two was won by misfit women and homos. The things you can learn from modern cinema.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    A great deal of what Hollywoo would have you believe Turing achieved single-handedly was done by American naval cryptographers (and other Brits) whose names no pays much attention to (in some cases, those names are not even known).

    The Turing cult is a bit like what would happen of most people thought Gene Kranz' singular genius made the lunar landings possible; sure, Turing – like Kranz – was no slouch, but modern, popular perceptions about Turing are well down the road of goofy hero-worship.
  11. @RickinJax
    Silly. Ike WAS a drag queen. Didn’t you know?

    Silly. Ike WAS a drag queen. Didn’t you know?

    And a Jew…

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Silly. Ike WAS a drag queen. Didn’t you know?

    And a Jew…
     
    And a Black man.....




    https://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-black-roots-of-ex-president-dwight-d-eisenhower/
  12. the last “good war” in the eyes of the narrative – and they only talk about europe. it’s like japan wasn’t even involved. or china. or north africa. or the philippines. this war only happened in one place. france and germany. maybe kinda in russia, but they’re about to become america’s biggest global enemy, so no more movies or shows about russia in world war 2. the battle of britain is kinda sorta not kosher anymore either. not enough diversity in the UK troops.

    after all those world war 2 veterans die, and there’s only a few left, there won’t be any kind of celebration at all with regards to memorial day.

    nobody in the entire country cares at all about vietnam vets. nobody even remembers korea. and the current wave of vets from the wars in the desert are actually openly despised. people actually dislike these guys who fought in iraq and afghanistan.

    so what will the weird, frankenstein United States of 2030 even celebrate? nothing. that’s what. a few fluff celebrations of the union army in 1865 to beat over the head any mop up level ‘racists’, a few ‘beat you over the head one last time, nazi sympathizer’ mentions of the ally forces in 1945, and that will be about it.

    humorous note: confederate stuff is now strictly forbidden almost everywhere so civil war battlefield stuff is about to disappear. no more visiting battlefields, dressing up, re-enacting, buying souvenirs, or anything. kinda makes it pointless when you go to visit one of these places and one side dresses up in blue and flies the union flag and the other side…wait. what other side. there never were any guys in gray, waving any other flag.

    not that the new, paper americans care at all about any of these wars, but i best most them will never even realize there was such a thing as a civil war. and who cares anyway, just a bunch of stupid old white guys.

    • Replies: @njguy73

    so what will the weird, frankenstein United States of 2030 even celebrate? nothing. that’s what. a few fluff celebrations of the union army in 1865 to beat over the head any mop up level ‘racists’, a few ‘beat you over the head one last time, nazi sympathizer’ mentions of the ally forces in 1945, and that will be about it.

     

    May The Fourth, Talk Like A Pirate Day, and Pi Day will be federal holidays.

    Columbus Day, Veterans Day, and Presidents Day will not be.

    , @jcd1974

    the last “good war” in the eyes of the narrative – and they only talk about europe. it’s like japan wasn’t even involved. or china. or north africa. or the philippines. this war only happened in one place. france and germany.
     
    Now everyone's grandfather who served in WWII did so to fight Nazis and none signed up because they just wanted to go kill Japs.
  13. Shaker settlements are now museums. Diversity proponents will meet a similar fate.

  14. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Well if you start counting the cars on our roads, the Nips won.

    But if you start counting all the pundits in our media, the….

    ….never mind.

  15. In the movie Patton, the general had black aide does this count?

    • Replies: @RickinJax
    He was his personal servant.
    , @David Davenport
    in the movie Patton, the general had black aide does this count?

    Aide? That was Patton's valet. The Patton movie made no mention of ole George's twenty-something nurse, whose role was similar to that of Ike's chauffeur.
  16. Anon[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cagey Beast
    Don't forget that Italy was also part of the Axis. Italians were not considered White until years later, when Alan Alda had appeared on TV for a few hit seasons of MASH.

    The Allies were much more multiethnic.

    America had Black soldiers.

    France made use of North Africans.

    Britain used Indians.

    China fought on the Allied site.

    Jews were Pro-Ally.

    Japanese were disadvantaged by having half of America’s population, HIGHLY limited resources, and only a small number of allies. Also, no smart&creative Jewish scientists to create the Atomic bomb for them.

    If Japan had what America had, the war may have gone differently.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Italy had Eritrean Ascari fighting for them in North Africa in WWII.
    , @syonredux

    If Japan had what America had, the war may have gone differently.
     
    True of many countries, dear fellow....


    For example, if Poland had what America had, the war would have gone very differently.....
    , @syonredux

    America had Black soldiers.
     
    Support roles. Only 708 died in combat.

    France made use of North Africans.
     
    Indeed:

    Marocchinate (pronounced [marokkiˈnate], Italian for "Moroccan’ deeds") is a term applied to the mass rape and killings committed during World War II after the Battle of Monte Cassino in Italy. These were committed mainly by the Moroccan Goumiers, colonial troops of the French Expeditionary Corps (FEC),[1] commanded by General Alphonse Juin, and mostly targeted civilian women and girls (as well as a few men and boys) in the rural area between Naples and Rome, traditionally known in Italian as Ciociaria.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marocchinate
    , @David Davenport
    America had Black soldiers.

    Nope no combat soldiers. Blacks in the WWII US Army ground forces all had support roles.
    , @Hypnotoad666

    America had Black soldiers.
     
    Like Emmitt Till's dad.

    A soldier during World War II, Louis Till was executed by the U.S. Army in 1945 after being found guilty of murder and rape. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Till
     
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, if Japan had what America had, they wouldn't have been ranging all over Asia and the Pacific to colonize for resources.
  17. @Old Prude
    Steve, this was too easy. Shooting fish in a barrel. Music, science, technology, philosophy, freedom, liberty and successful human endeavor to secure the advancement there-of. It's all white males except for the outliers (whom modern society obsesses over, in attempt to deny the reality of modern human history). (I can't add making war to the list because diverse folk like Gehngis Kahn have been quite impressive at that savage art, though his aim was not exactly the liberation of Europe).

    Gehngis Kahn

    Is he some Jewish figure of note?

    • LOL: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Autochthon
    I come for the stimulating banter with other intelligent people.

    I stay for the unintentionally hilarious typographical errors that only such a group could employ to their full potential.
    , @fish

    Is he some Jewish figure of note?
     
    Madeline Kahns younger brother…...
    , @anon
    Genghis Kahn (born Norman Rosenblatt, c. 1162 – August 18, 1227) was the founder and first Great Kahn of the Mongol Empire, which became the largest contiguous empire in history after his death. He came to power by uniting many of the nomadic tribes of Northeast Asia. After founding the Empire and being proclaimed "Genghis Kahn", he launched the Mongol invasions that conquered most of Eurasia. Campaigns initiated in his lifetime include those against the Qara Khitai, Caucasus, and Khwarazmian, Western Xia and Jin dynasties. These campaigns were often accompanied by large-scale massacres of the civilian populations – especially in the Khwarazmian and Western Xia controlled lands. By the end of his life, the Mongol Empire occupied a substantial portion of Central Asia and China.
  18. Anonymous[360] • Disclaimer says:

    More than a million black Africans fought for Britain and France. While India provided more than 2.5 million soldiers to Britain. The Soviets had Central Asians, Mongolians, and various others, millions of Communist and Nationalist Chinese were on the side of the Allies, the US of course had black, Indian, and other troops. Moreover, the Axis powers were fighting for less diversity.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'More than a million black Africans fought for Britain and France...'

    More than a million black Africans may have served. Considerably fewer fought.
    , @Anon

    Moreover, the Axis powers were fighting for less diversity.
     
    That is wrong. The Axis powers were fighting to maintain worldwide diversity, which requires ethnic borders, and the right to national-ethnic self determination that is considered to be a human right.

    Worldwide diversity is maintained by national borders. Caucasoid peoples can not continue to exist in nations in which they do not have relative genetic isolation.

    There will be less diversity than this world has ever known after the impending Jewish apocalypse, especially in the sense of brown people's existence.

    The result will be a mono-ethnic composition of mostly Armenoid Jews that the Left either outright or implicitly endorses because the Jews were able to use various psychopathic methods to trigger some type of mass mothering instinct toward them at the expense of the self determination and even existence of all other peoples.

  19. Steve, as a movie and history buff, maybe you can answer this question. In Patton with George C. Scott, his attendant for a good part of the movie is a black guy, played by James Edwards (who, per IMDB, died the same year the movie came out).

    Now, that was 50 years ago! Do you think Patton had a black attending Sergeant? I know the PC was just getting cranked up back then, but not at all pervasive in regular society.

    No matter what, that one was such a great movie.

    • Replies: @Tom-in-VA
    Master Sergeant William George Meeks was not only Patton’s orderly throughout the war, he was a pallbearer at his funeral. He is buried at Arlington National Cemetery.

    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/49258802/william-george-meeks
    , @syonredux

    Steve, as a movie and history buff, maybe you can answer this question. In Patton with George C. Scott, his attendant for a good part of the movie is a black guy, played by James Edwards (who, per IMDB, died the same year the movie came out).

    Now, that was 50 years ago! Do you think Patton had a black attending Sergeant?
     
    He did:

    MSG William George Meeks was General George S. Patton's orderly for many years and was one of the General's pallbearers on the military honors casket team.
     
    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/49258802/william-george-meeks
  20. I know Tojo is Japanese but look at the bling.

  21. Diversity in the form of the Tojo..

    Yes, but our Japanese were better than their Japanese:

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'Diversity in the form of the Tojo..

    Yes, but our Japanese were better than their Japanese...'

    Now, a comic bit here is that the all-Japanese -- and conspicuously heroic -- 442nd Regimental Combat Team was serving in the same theater as the all-black -- and conspicuously cowardly -- 92nd Infantry division. In late 1944, the 92nd enjoyed the dubious distinction of being perhaps the only divisional-size force ever routed by Italians in World War Two -- in this case, a numerically inferior and presumably less-than-elite themselves formation of Mussolini's Italian Social Republic. The blacks broke and ran twenty miles.

    Hmm...well can't bring attention to this. So the 442nd was attached to the 92nd. That way, the 92nd could put a unit into the line that would actually fight.

    , @syonredux

    The 442nd Infantry Regiment is an infantry regiment of the United States Army and is the only infantry formation in the Army Reserve. The regiment is best known for its history as a fighting unit composed almost entirely of second-generation American soldiers of Japanese ancestry (Nisei) who fought in World War II. Beginning in 1944, the regiment fought primarily in the European Theatre,[3] in particular Italy, southern France, and Germany. Many of the soldiers had families in internment camps while they fought abroad.[4] The unit's motto was "Go for Broke".
     

    The 442nd Regiment is the most decorated unit in U.S. military history.[5] Created as the 442nd Regimental Combat Team when it was activated February 1, 1943, the unit quickly grew to its fighting complement of 4,000 men by April 1943, and an eventual total of about 14,000 men served overall. The unit earned more than 18,000 awards in less than two years, including 9,486 Purple Hearts and 4,000 Bronze Star Medals. The unit was awarded eight Presidential Unit Citations (five earned in one month).[6]:201 Twenty-one of its members were awarded Medals of Honor.[3] In 2010, the Congressional Gold Medal was awarded to the 442nd Regimental Combat Team and associated units who served during World War II,[7] and in 2012, all surviving members were made chevaliers of the French Légion d'Honneur for their actions contributing to the liberation of France and their heroic rescue of the Lost Battalion.[8]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Twink, shouldn't that be "Go for Bloke?"
  22. @Cagey Beast
    Don't forget that Italy was also part of the Axis. Italians were not considered White until years later, when Alan Alda had appeared on TV for a few hit seasons of MASH.

    I think it is only Italian Americans anarchists who were killed and imprisoned because of the color of their skin that qualify as non white. The actual Italians were as bad as every other kind of European. Kind of like how the Irish were victims of white supremacy yet carried out the white supremacist Civil War draft riots simultaneously.

  23. Maybe I don’t remember much history, but I do know that, judging from this picture, D-Day must have failed, what with the shameful lack of diversity among the generals planning it.

    As every grade schooler knows by now, those old racist white crackers would’ve lost the war if it hadn’t been for the Tuskegee Airmen coming to the rescue and single-handedly kicking some racist Nazi ass…

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    Don't get me upset. It's not nice.
    , @Known Fact
    And don't forget the Navajo Code-Talkers
    , @Mr McKenna
    Now there's someone who's been paying attention!

    http://www.sclance.com/pngs/gold-star-png/gold_star_png_585826.jpg
    , @Reg Cæsar

    if it hadn’t been for the Tuskegee Airmen
     
    I'm just a squeegee from Tuskegee...
  24. Fascinating, isn’t it?

    The European time of the Europeans determined the fate of the planet in the 20th Century. White Liberals will ensure that the 21st Century will not be the century of Europeans. And White Liberals think that the results of non-white ascendance will be superior to whatever was white. Because non-whites have demonstrated moral superiority, bigly. Because non-whites did not enslave blacks/(native Americans)/polar bears/Mexicans (the mexican Mexicans anyway)/chimps/slugs/hamsters/longhorns/rattlesnakes/alligators

    And when the result is a sh!th01e they will turn to their morally superior intentions. But Dishonesty(tm) will not be swept aside. And dishonesty is the stock-in-trade of Democrats, liberals, leftists and all the Republicans that whine about 5% tariffs on Mexico.

    And we will weep for what might have been, for what should have been. And we will be right to weep.

  25. the Axis must have won the War, right?

    If it were their goal to destroy all of the western democracies, and trash their societies, they must have won. But they lost, and somehow that goal is being accomplished anyway. One must conclude that was not their goal.

  26. Roosevelt had begun transitioning by 1944…

  27. @Dave Pinsen
    To be fair, the Soviets had some diversity in the Red Army, including Central Asian nationalities.

    aka, Borat Goes To Berlin.

  28. @Anon
    The Allies were much more multiethnic.

    America had Black soldiers.

    France made use of North Africans.

    Britain used Indians.

    China fought on the Allied site.

    Jews were Pro-Ally.

    Japanese were disadvantaged by having half of America's population, HIGHLY limited resources, and only a small number of allies. Also, no smart&creative Jewish scientists to create the Atomic bomb for them.

    If Japan had what America had, the war may have gone differently.

    Italy had Eritrean Ascari fighting for them in North Africa in WWII.

    • Replies: @bored identity
    How do you say in Italian :
    "Don't Bother Trying to Score La Ciociara on Domestic Turf !"
    , @Nicholas Stix
    Italy had Ethiopian Ascari raping for them in WWII. FIFY
  29. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Well if you start counting the cars on our roads, the Nips won.

    Check out Japan’s demographics, crime rates and test scores. They won something.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    While you're at it, notice also their immigration rates and general level of social harmony. Their high standard of living. Their life expectancy. And so on and so on.
  30. @Cagey Beast
    Don't forget that Italy was also part of the Axis. Italians were not considered White until years later, when Alan Alda had appeared on TV for a few hit seasons of MASH.

    Don’t forget that Italy was also part of the Axis. Italians were not considered White until years later, when Alan Alda had appeared on TV for a few hit seasons of MASH.

    Yes, I remember reading about how Tony Lazzeri, Joe DiMaggio, and Frankie Crosetti were barred from major league baseball and could only play in the Catholic League.

    Oh, wait, you’re being facetious as well.

    Sorry. Any time I see “Italians/Irish/Jews weren’t considered white,” I go into “You’re a real special kind of stupid, aren’t you?” mode.

    Irony doesn’t work as well as it used to, because irony depends on people being able to comprehend truth. We live in an age where irony and stupidity have become indistinguishable.

    • Replies: @J1234
    Yeah, Italians were once a "non-white" nationality according the standard leftist selective history that conflates the anecdotal with the general whenever necessary. (A few Americans apparently considered Italians non-white at one time, so that means all Americans did...even though there was no substantive legislation stating such in segregated America.)
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/03/22/sorry-but-the-irish-were-always-white-and-so-were-the-italians-jews-and-so-on/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5fd4c294850b

    Hitler did irritate Mussolini with his strange claims/accusations that Italians were "part African." In truth, if there was ever a group of people that could lay claim to being the "master race" of Europe, it was the Italians.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    njguy, DiMaggio's father had his fishing boat confiscated in WWII because he was Italian. Read "Five Points" by Tyler Anbinder or "An Unlikely Union" by Paul Moses for an accurate account of Irish and Italian acceptance as immigrants in the US.
  31. @Anonymous
    More than a million black Africans fought for Britain and France. While India provided more than 2.5 million soldiers to Britain. The Soviets had Central Asians, Mongolians, and various others, millions of Communist and Nationalist Chinese were on the side of the Allies, the US of course had black, Indian, and other troops. Moreover, the Axis powers were fighting for less diversity.

    ‘More than a million black Africans fought for Britain and France…’

    More than a million black Africans may have served. Considerably fewer fought.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    A lot of Africans did fight. In fact, without Africans, the French would not really have had much of an independent army at all, as there was not much popular native French morale or enthusiasm to oppose Vichy France. The French military officer class tended to be reactionaries who were not that hostile to Vichy France, and many were rather quite sympathetic to it.

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9barquement_de_Provence#Composition_des_forces_terrestres_fran%C3%A7aises


    From August 15, 1944, about 260,000 fighters of the "Army B" French, led by General Jean Lattre de Tassigny, arrived in the South of France. They will land in the following months, including 5,000 female auxiliaries; 10% were from the metropolis (the "free French" of General de Gaulle) or Black Africa (nearly 10 000), 90% came from North Africa, an overwhelming majority for the departments of Algeria; Of these, 52% were of North African origin (nearly 100,000) and 48% were of European origin (Blackfoot) 11,12.

    In the larger units, the percentage of North African soldiers ranged from 27% at 1st DB to 56% at 2nd WMD.
     

    , @Autochthon
    I expect from my experience they served chow, mostly, unless things were considerably different then.
    , @bored identity
    Which all turned to be just a part of Carlo Ponti's coy plan to get Sophia her first Oscar:

    https://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01490/loren-5-sml-1962_1490754i.jpg


    Here's Sophia again - after she learned the hard way that Obama & Hillary Came, Saw, and Colonel Ganddalfi Died:


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/57/9a/a9/579aa9b220338824a8d0f349527ea050.jpg
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    I wonder how much fighting Emmett Till's daddy did.
  32. @Dr. X

    Maybe I don’t remember much history, but I do know that, judging from this picture, D-Day must have failed, what with the shameful lack of diversity among the generals planning it.
     
    As every grade schooler knows by now, those old racist white crackers would've lost the war if it hadn't been for the Tuskegee Airmen coming to the rescue and single-handedly kicking some racist Nazi ass...

    Don’t get me upset. It’s not nice.

  33. @prime noticer
    the last "good war" in the eyes of the narrative - and they only talk about europe. it's like japan wasn't even involved. or china. or north africa. or the philippines. this war only happened in one place. france and germany. maybe kinda in russia, but they're about to become america's biggest global enemy, so no more movies or shows about russia in world war 2. the battle of britain is kinda sorta not kosher anymore either. not enough diversity in the UK troops.

    after all those world war 2 veterans die, and there's only a few left, there won't be any kind of celebration at all with regards to memorial day.

    nobody in the entire country cares at all about vietnam vets. nobody even remembers korea. and the current wave of vets from the wars in the desert are actually openly despised. people actually dislike these guys who fought in iraq and afghanistan.

    so what will the weird, frankenstein United States of 2030 even celebrate? nothing. that's what. a few fluff celebrations of the union army in 1865 to beat over the head any mop up level 'racists', a few 'beat you over the head one last time, nazi sympathizer' mentions of the ally forces in 1945, and that will be about it.

    humorous note: confederate stuff is now strictly forbidden almost everywhere so civil war battlefield stuff is about to disappear. no more visiting battlefields, dressing up, re-enacting, buying souvenirs, or anything. kinda makes it pointless when you go to visit one of these places and one side dresses up in blue and flies the union flag and the other side...wait. what other side. there never were any guys in gray, waving any other flag.

    not that the new, paper americans care at all about any of these wars, but i best most them will never even realize there was such a thing as a civil war. and who cares anyway, just a bunch of stupid old white guys.

    so what will the weird, frankenstein United States of 2030 even celebrate? nothing. that’s what. a few fluff celebrations of the union army in 1865 to beat over the head any mop up level ‘racists’, a few ‘beat you over the head one last time, nazi sympathizer’ mentions of the ally forces in 1945, and that will be about it.

    May The Fourth, Talk Like A Pirate Day, and Pi Day will be federal holidays.

    Columbus Day, Veterans Day, and Presidents Day will not be.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    October 28th, Caitlyn's birthday, will be a national holiday
    , @Mr McKenna
    "Daddy, what day is Diversity Day?"

    "Every day, sweetheart. Every day."
  34. @newrouter
    In the movie Patton, the general had black aide does this count?

    He was his personal servant.

  35. Diversity of personality, social background, and European immigrant background used be a theme in WWII stories and movies. But the emphasis was on how the shared experience of war obliterated their differences. Diversity was seen as a handicap, an initial condition to move away from.

  36. @Old Prude
    I learned from The Imitation Game that Dub-Dub Two was won by misfit women and homos. The things you can learn from modern cinema.

    A great deal of what Hollywoo would have you believe Turing achieved single-handedly was done by American naval cryptographers (and other Brits) whose names no pays much attention to (in some cases, those names are not even known).

    The Turing cult is a bit like what would happen of most people thought Gene Kranz’ singular genius made the lunar landings possible; sure, Turing – like Kranz – was no slouch, but modern, popular perceptions about Turing are well down the road of goofy hero-worship.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Nobody seems to care about poor Tommy Flowers.....

    Thomas Harold Flowers, BSc, DSc[1], MBE (22 December 1905 – 28 October 1998) was an English engineer with the British Post Office. During World War II, Flowers designed and built Colossus, the world's first programmable electronic computer, to help solve encrypted German messages.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Flowers
    , @PiltdownMan
    Coincidentally, I saw the movie for the first time just last night, and agree with your characterization. The movie is cartoonish and absurd.

    I learned a bit about Turing when I was an undergrad math major in the 1970s and read an article about the breaking of the Enigma code, decades later.

    It looks like the Royal Navy commander, Dennison, depicted in the movie as a buffoon, was a highly skilled cryptanalyst himself, and had an accurate understanding of the broad strategy needed to break the code. He also had a keen sense of the kinds of people he needed, and Turing was only one of them.

    A group of Polish cryptographers had already broken the Enigma code in 1932, and had been hired by Dennison. Turing took on the sub-task of analyzing the German naval (Kreigsmarine) Enigma, which had enhancements built into it, and his innovation, along with Tommy Flowers, was to build a computer to automate the task. US Navy cryptographic bombes (computers) proved to be much faster at the task, and the German naval code was broken.

  37. @Dr. X

    Silly. Ike WAS a drag queen. Didn’t you know?
     
    And a Jew...
    • Replies: @RickinJax
    Followed the link. The things I learned!
    Should have guessed about Einstein from the hair. Really a ‘fro Mark 1.
    , @BB753
    And a proud black woman too?
  38. The German army in WW2, especially in later years, was very diverse. Indian troops were at Normandy. This “aided” the Axis defense 😉

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Legion

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Indian troops performed their duties honorably whether on the Axis or the Allied side. Your ignorant snideness wont change that reality.
  39. @Achmed E. Newman
    Steve, as a movie and history buff, maybe you can answer this question. In Patton with George C. Scott, his attendant for a good part of the movie is a black guy, played by James Edwards (who, per IMDB, died the same year the movie came out).

    Now, that was 50 years ago! Do you think Patton had a black attending Sergeant? I know the PC was just getting cranked up back then, but not at all pervasive in regular society.

    No matter what, that one was such a great movie.

    Master Sergeant William George Meeks was not only Patton’s orderly throughout the war, he was a pallbearer at his funeral. He is buried at Arlington National Cemetery.

    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/49258802/william-george-meeks

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Thanks, and thanks Syonredux also. I guess I really should have looked it up myself, huh, once I came upon the guy's name (but I'd thought it was just a movie name).
  40. @Twinkie

    Diversity in the form of the Tojo..
     
    Yes, but our Japanese were better than their Japanese:
    https://youtu.be/Eqm1HC8CQlg

    ‘Diversity in the form of the Tojo..

    Yes, but our Japanese were better than their Japanese…’

    Now, a comic bit here is that the all-Japanese — and conspicuously heroic — 442nd Regimental Combat Team was serving in the same theater as the all-black — and conspicuously cowardly — 92nd Infantry division. In late 1944, the 92nd enjoyed the dubious distinction of being perhaps the only divisional-size force ever routed by Italians in World War Two — in this case, a numerically inferior and presumably less-than-elite themselves formation of Mussolini’s Italian Social Republic. The blacks broke and ran twenty miles.

    Hmm…well can’t bring attention to this. So the 442nd was attached to the 92nd. That way, the 92nd could put a unit into the line that would actually fight.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    Hmm…well can’t bring attention to this. So the 442nd was attached to the 92nd. That way, the 92nd could put a unit into the line that would actually fight.
     
    During the Clinton Administration they actually commissioned a rewrite of the Army's official history of the all-black 24th Regiment during the Korean War. The unit repeatedly cut and ran under fire. And eventually had to be disbanded.

    That was hardly inspirational. So the prior history was blamed on racism and rewritten to be suitably heroic.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1996-04-30-9604300190-story,amp.html
    , @Dr Van Nostrand
    Japanese/Japanese Americans were a disciplined peoples and that counts for a lot in combat.Similarly Germans and German Americans outperformed their contemporaries. Italian Americans were heirs to notions of honor, a work ethic and the rigor and training of WASP/German American U.S war machine and hence fared a lot better than the chaotic Italians

    Blacks lacking any of these customs and being rather diffident due to their social status failed to live up. This is understandable. While they continue to have problems with discipline(over represented in Okinawa rapes) ,from what I know from my dealings with military and private contractors.On average, they perform adequately and perhaps ably but not a lot more ,not less either.
  41. @Steve Sailer
    Italy had Eritrean Ascari fighting for them in North Africa in WWII.

    How do you say in Italian :
    “Don’t Bother Trying to Score La Ciociara on Domestic Turf !”

  42. @Achmed E. Newman
    Steve, as a movie and history buff, maybe you can answer this question. In Patton with George C. Scott, his attendant for a good part of the movie is a black guy, played by James Edwards (who, per IMDB, died the same year the movie came out).

    Now, that was 50 years ago! Do you think Patton had a black attending Sergeant? I know the PC was just getting cranked up back then, but not at all pervasive in regular society.

    No matter what, that one was such a great movie.

    Steve, as a movie and history buff, maybe you can answer this question. In Patton with George C. Scott, his attendant for a good part of the movie is a black guy, played by James Edwards (who, per IMDB, died the same year the movie came out).

    Now, that was 50 years ago! Do you think Patton had a black attending Sergeant?

    He did:

    MSG William George Meeks was General George S. Patton’s orderly for many years and was one of the General’s pallbearers on the military honors casket team.

    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/49258802/william-george-meeks

  43. @syonredux

    Silly. Ike WAS a drag queen. Didn’t you know?

    And a Jew…
     
    And a Black man.....




    https://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-black-roots-of-ex-president-dwight-d-eisenhower/

    Followed the link. The things I learned!
    Should have guessed about Einstein from the hair. Really a ‘fro Mark 1.

  44. Nice try, Sailer. As Herman Goering said: “I decide who’s a Jew in Germany!”

  45. @Autochthon
    A great deal of what Hollywoo would have you believe Turing achieved single-handedly was done by American naval cryptographers (and other Brits) whose names no pays much attention to (in some cases, those names are not even known).

    The Turing cult is a bit like what would happen of most people thought Gene Kranz' singular genius made the lunar landings possible; sure, Turing – like Kranz – was no slouch, but modern, popular perceptions about Turing are well down the road of goofy hero-worship.

    Nobody seems to care about poor Tommy Flowers…..

    Thomas Harold Flowers, BSc, DSc[1], MBE (22 December 1905 – 28 October 1998) was an English engineer with the British Post Office. During World War II, Flowers designed and built Colossus, the world’s first programmable electronic computer, to help solve encrypted German messages.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Flowers

    • Replies: @95Theses
    Great point! (And thanks! I didn't know that.)
    , @HdC
    Check wiki for the name Konrad Zuse to see who built the first programmable computer. He probably gave ol' blue the start in computers after the war.
  46. @Anon
    The Allies were much more multiethnic.

    America had Black soldiers.

    France made use of North Africans.

    Britain used Indians.

    China fought on the Allied site.

    Jews were Pro-Ally.

    Japanese were disadvantaged by having half of America's population, HIGHLY limited resources, and only a small number of allies. Also, no smart&creative Jewish scientists to create the Atomic bomb for them.

    If Japan had what America had, the war may have gone differently.

    If Japan had what America had, the war may have gone differently.

    True of many countries, dear fellow….

    For example, if Poland had what America had, the war would have gone very differently…..

  47. @Reg Cæsar
    There is some diversity of uniform hue.

    The portrait was informative for me: I had not realised the Royal Air Force’s uniforms were so similar to (perhaps an inspiration for?) the uniform later adopted by the American air force when it was created from the army’s air corps.

    (A quibble: It wasn’t all generals planning that invasion; I reckon the fellow second from the left is meant to be Admiral Ramsay?)

  48. @Anon
    The Allies were much more multiethnic.

    America had Black soldiers.

    France made use of North Africans.

    Britain used Indians.

    China fought on the Allied site.

    Jews were Pro-Ally.

    Japanese were disadvantaged by having half of America's population, HIGHLY limited resources, and only a small number of allies. Also, no smart&creative Jewish scientists to create the Atomic bomb for them.

    If Japan had what America had, the war may have gone differently.

    America had Black soldiers.

    Support roles. Only 708 died in combat.

    France made use of North Africans.

    Indeed:

    Marocchinate (pronounced [marokkiˈnate], Italian for “Moroccan’ deeds”) is a term applied to the mass rape and killings committed during World War II after the Battle of Monte Cassino in Italy. These were committed mainly by the Moroccan Goumiers, colonial troops of the French Expeditionary Corps (FEC),[1] commanded by General Alphonse Juin, and mostly targeted civilian women and girls (as well as a few men and boys) in the rural area between Naples and Rome, traditionally known in Italian as Ciociaria.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marocchinate

  49. @Twinkie

    Gehngis Kahn
     
    Is he some Jewish figure of note?

    I come for the stimulating banter with other intelligent people.

    I stay for the unintentionally hilarious typographical errors that only such a group could employ to their full potential.

  50. Anonymous[535] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright
    'More than a million black Africans fought for Britain and France...'

    More than a million black Africans may have served. Considerably fewer fought.

    A lot of Africans did fight. In fact, without Africans, the French would not really have had much of an independent army at all, as there was not much popular native French morale or enthusiasm to oppose Vichy France. The French military officer class tended to be reactionaries who were not that hostile to Vichy France, and many were rather quite sympathetic to it.

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9barquement_de_Provence#Composition_des_forces_terrestres_fran%C3%A7aises

    From August 15, 1944, about 260,000 fighters of the “Army B” French, led by General Jean Lattre de Tassigny, arrived in the South of France. They will land in the following months, including 5,000 female auxiliaries; 10% were from the metropolis (the “free French” of General de Gaulle) or Black Africa (nearly 10 000), 90% came from North Africa, an overwhelming majority for the departments of Algeria; Of these, 52% were of North African origin (nearly 100,000) and 48% were of European origin (Blackfoot) 11,12.

    In the larger units, the percentage of North African soldiers ranged from 27% at 1st DB to 56% at 2nd WMD.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    A lot of Africans did fight. In fact, without Africans, the French would not really have had much of an independent army at all, as there was not much popular native French morale or enthusiasm to oppose Vichy France.
     
    France was knocked out of the war in 6 weeks. They did not need any Africans at that point. As for the token force they assembled later on, it was just that a token.

    As for the invasion of southern France in August of 1944, it probably wasn't even necessary. That was two months after the Normandy invasion, and coupled with the beast in the east, Germany's fate was sealed at that point.

    The French should have been held to account for war crimes for using their African subjects to rape and terrorize Italian women during the Battle of Monte Casino.
    , @Colin Wright
    'A lot of Africans did fight. In fact, without Africans...'

    We were discussing black Africans. Not identical with Africans.

    Yes, the French had some Senegalese. And the British employed a few Brigades of West African troops in Burma. The claim was that 'a million black Africans fought.' That would be off by a factor of perhaps fifty.
    , @Expletive Deleted

    "In the Second World War there were no fewer than 40 Gurkha Battalions in British Service, as well as parachute, garrison and training units. In all this total sum amounted to 112,000 men. Side by side with British and Commonwealth troops Gurkhas fought in Syria, the Western Desert, Italy and Greece, from North Malaya to Singapore and from the Siamese Border back through Burma to Imphal and then forward to Rangoon"
     
    Casualties not readily available, as they were listed as British Army. And I'd swap every cranky, cadging Person of Diversity in the Kingdom for any number of Nepalis, in a heartbeat.

    There were 16000 Maoris as well in with the Kiwis, in their own brigades. Some even fought at Thermopylae!
    Against Panzers.

  51. @Colin Wright
    'More than a million black Africans fought for Britain and France...'

    More than a million black Africans may have served. Considerably fewer fought.

    I expect from my experience they served chow, mostly, unless things were considerably different then.

  52. @Twinkie

    Diversity in the form of the Tojo..
     
    Yes, but our Japanese were better than their Japanese:
    https://youtu.be/Eqm1HC8CQlg

    The 442nd Infantry Regiment is an infantry regiment of the United States Army and is the only infantry formation in the Army Reserve. The regiment is best known for its history as a fighting unit composed almost entirely of second-generation American soldiers of Japanese ancestry (Nisei) who fought in World War II. Beginning in 1944, the regiment fought primarily in the European Theatre,[3] in particular Italy, southern France, and Germany. Many of the soldiers had families in internment camps while they fought abroad.[4] The unit’s motto was “Go for Broke”.

    The 442nd Regiment is the most decorated unit in U.S. military history.[5] Created as the 442nd Regimental Combat Team when it was activated February 1, 1943, the unit quickly grew to its fighting complement of 4,000 men by April 1943, and an eventual total of about 14,000 men served overall. The unit earned more than 18,000 awards in less than two years, including 9,486 Purple Hearts and 4,000 Bronze Star Medals. The unit was awarded eight Presidential Unit Citations (five earned in one month).[6]:201 Twenty-one of its members were awarded Medals of Honor.[3] In 2010, the Congressional Gold Medal was awarded to the 442nd Regimental Combat Team and associated units who served during World War II,[7] and in 2012, all surviving members were made chevaliers of the French Légion d’Honneur for their actions contributing to the liberation of France and their heroic rescue of the Lost Battalion.[8]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Good thing the Japs were short of gasoline the entire war.
    , @njguy73
    Two words: Daniel. Inouye.
  53. @Autochthon
    A great deal of what Hollywoo would have you believe Turing achieved single-handedly was done by American naval cryptographers (and other Brits) whose names no pays much attention to (in some cases, those names are not even known).

    The Turing cult is a bit like what would happen of most people thought Gene Kranz' singular genius made the lunar landings possible; sure, Turing – like Kranz – was no slouch, but modern, popular perceptions about Turing are well down the road of goofy hero-worship.

    Coincidentally, I saw the movie for the first time just last night, and agree with your characterization. The movie is cartoonish and absurd.

    I learned a bit about Turing when I was an undergrad math major in the 1970s and read an article about the breaking of the Enigma code, decades later.

    It looks like the Royal Navy commander, Dennison, depicted in the movie as a buffoon, was a highly skilled cryptanalyst himself, and had an accurate understanding of the broad strategy needed to break the code. He also had a keen sense of the kinds of people he needed, and Turing was only one of them.

    A group of Polish cryptographers had already broken the Enigma code in 1932, and had been hired by Dennison. Turing took on the sub-task of analyzing the German naval (Kreigsmarine) Enigma, which had enhancements built into it, and his innovation, along with Tommy Flowers, was to build a computer to automate the task. US Navy cryptographic bombes (computers) proved to be much faster at the task, and the German naval code was broken.

    • Replies: @gcochran
    The Brits never hired the Poles. Tommy Flowers designed Colossus, first electronic computer, used to break the Lorenz cipher - which was used for high-level communicationns between OKW and army commands. You're thinking of the 4-rotor Enigma versions used by the Kriegsmarine.
  54. @Tom-in-VA
    Master Sergeant William George Meeks was not only Patton’s orderly throughout the war, he was a pallbearer at his funeral. He is buried at Arlington National Cemetery.

    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/49258802/william-george-meeks

    Thanks, and thanks Syonredux also. I guess I really should have looked it up myself, huh, once I came upon the guy’s name (but I’d thought it was just a movie name).

  55. You can also add that the US military was a segregated Jim Crow army. Additionally women who served were put into separate corps such as the WACs.

    PS. Imagine if those men knew that their children, grand children and future descendants were going to become a despised minority in their own lands. I wonder how many of them would still have fought knowing their victory would ultimately lead to something worse than simply losing a war.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    I wonder how many of them would still have fought knowing their victory would ultimately lead to something worse than simply losing a war.
     
    I will simply say that I'm glad my Silver and Bronze Star winning mother's father passed away in 1994.
    , @RVBlake
    I am sure that our Betters will be informing us all day of the stirring but necessary sacrifices our fathers and grandfathers made at Normandy, Bastogne, Sicily, and Okinawa to ensure the success of Diversity and Gender Fluidity. After all, at the end of the movie "Saving Private Ryan", Steven Spielberg asserted that the D-Day invasion was necessary to stop the Holocaust. Yup.
  56. @njguy73

    Don’t forget that Italy was also part of the Axis. Italians were not considered White until years later, when Alan Alda had appeared on TV for a few hit seasons of MASH.

     

    Yes, I remember reading about how Tony Lazzeri, Joe DiMaggio, and Frankie Crosetti were barred from major league baseball and could only play in the Catholic League.

    Oh, wait, you're being facetious as well.

    Sorry. Any time I see "Italians/Irish/Jews weren't considered white," I go into "You're a real special kind of stupid, aren't you?" mode.

    Irony doesn't work as well as it used to, because irony depends on people being able to comprehend truth. We live in an age where irony and stupidity have become indistinguishable.

    Yeah, Italians were once a “non-white” nationality according the standard leftist selective history that conflates the anecdotal with the general whenever necessary. (A few Americans apparently considered Italians non-white at one time, so that means all Americans did…even though there was no substantive legislation stating such in segregated America.)
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/03/22/sorry-but-the-irish-were-always-white-and-so-were-the-italians-jews-and-so-on/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5fd4c294850b

    Hitler did irritate Mussolini with his strange claims/accusations that Italians were “part African.” In truth, if there was ever a group of people that could lay claim to being the “master race” of Europe, it was the Italians.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    In truth, if there was ever a group of people that could lay claim to being the “master race” of Europe, it was the Italians.
     
    Sophia Loren's existence certainly supports that notion...



    https://fedrationcouture.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/sophia_loren_521.jpg
    , @The Wild Geese Howard

    In truth, if there was ever a group of people that could lay claim to being the “master race” of Europe, it was the Italians.
     
    You're going to make me post the Dennis Hopper clip from True Romance, aren't you?
    , @Wilkey

    A few Americans apparently considered Italians non-white at one time, so that means all Americans did…even though there was no substantive legislation stating such in segregated America.
     
    Italy has had an enormous influence on Western Civilization for centuries, from the Roman Era to the Renaissance to the ideas that helped inspire the Constitution. Italy was the unquestioned seat of Western Christianity until the 16th Century. Yes they had a few cultural traits that stood out in a country that was overwhelmingly Northern European when they started to arrive, but it's ridiculous for anyone to claim that Italians were ever thought of as anything but white.
    , @Redneck farmer
    Sorry, but northern Italy got overrun by the Lombards, a Germanic group. So poor old Benito was going to need the Krauts to revive the Roma.
    , @Lot
    “Hitler did irritate Mussolini with his strange claims/accusations that Italians were “part African.” In truth, if there was ever a group of people that could lay claim to being the “master race” of Europe, it was the Italians.”

    This was more the German neo-pagan types that Hitler himself, who said:

    “Why do we call the whole world’s attention to the fact that we have no past? Its bad enough that that the romans were erecting great buildings when our forefathers were still living in mud huts; now Himmler is starting to dig up these villages of mud huts and enthusing over every potshard and stone axe he finds.”
  57. @Anonymous
    A lot of Africans did fight. In fact, without Africans, the French would not really have had much of an independent army at all, as there was not much popular native French morale or enthusiasm to oppose Vichy France. The French military officer class tended to be reactionaries who were not that hostile to Vichy France, and many were rather quite sympathetic to it.

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9barquement_de_Provence#Composition_des_forces_terrestres_fran%C3%A7aises


    From August 15, 1944, about 260,000 fighters of the "Army B" French, led by General Jean Lattre de Tassigny, arrived in the South of France. They will land in the following months, including 5,000 female auxiliaries; 10% were from the metropolis (the "free French" of General de Gaulle) or Black Africa (nearly 10 000), 90% came from North Africa, an overwhelming majority for the departments of Algeria; Of these, 52% were of North African origin (nearly 100,000) and 48% were of European origin (Blackfoot) 11,12.

    In the larger units, the percentage of North African soldiers ranged from 27% at 1st DB to 56% at 2nd WMD.
     

    A lot of Africans did fight. In fact, without Africans, the French would not really have had much of an independent army at all, as there was not much popular native French morale or enthusiasm to oppose Vichy France.

    France was knocked out of the war in 6 weeks. They did not need any Africans at that point. As for the token force they assembled later on, it was just that a token.

    As for the invasion of southern France in August of 1944, it probably wasn’t even necessary. That was two months after the Normandy invasion, and coupled with the beast in the east, Germany’s fate was sealed at that point.

    The French should have been held to account for war crimes for using their African subjects to rape and terrorize Italian women during the Battle of Monte Casino.

    • Agree: RVBlake
  58. @syonredux

    Silly. Ike WAS a drag queen. Didn’t you know?

    And a Jew…
     
    And a Black man.....




    https://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-black-roots-of-ex-president-dwight-d-eisenhower/

    And a proud black woman too?

  59. Speaking of diversity…..

    David Brooks really wants the Jews to get some of that sweet POC privilege……

    A black friend asked how many black people there are in the Bible. He ran down a list. I wondered how many white people there are in the Bible. I think the answer is zero. Am I wrong?

    Assuming that Dave is not counting North Africans and Middle Easterners as White, that still leaves us with quite a few Greeks and Italians: Pontius Pilate , Luke, the Roman Centurion whose faith is commended by Jesus, Augustus, Tiberius,Lucius Sergius Paulus, the crowd of Athenians that Paul addresses in ACTS, etc, etc…..

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    David Brooks has friends?
    , @Wilkey

    Pontius Pilate , Luke, the Roman Centurion whose faith is commended by Jesus, Augustus, Tiberius,Lucius Sergius Paulus, the crowd of Athenians that Paul addresses in ACTS, etc, etc…..

     

    I can only assume that the Bible that Brooks is referencing does not include any of those individuals because it's missing a few books. Davis mostly prefers the books that call his people the chosen ones where God urges them to commit the occasional genocide and sometimes even does it for them.

    However the Hittites (such as Uriah the Hittite, the guy effectively murdered by King David in order to steal his wife) might qualify as white. They entered Anatolia from points north and spoke an Indo-European language and probably were descended from the Yamnaya.
    , @Colin Wright
    'A black friend asked how many black people there are in the Bible. He ran down a list. I wondered how many white people there are in the Bible. I think the answer is zero. Am I wrong?'

    I would say 'God, what an idiot'...but David Brooks is not that stupid. Therefore, he's being dishonest.

    ...so I'll say 'God, what a swine.'
    , @Mr McKenna

    I wondered how many white people there are in the Bible. I think the answer is zero.

    — David Brooks
     
    Every time I turn around, the NYT columnists are ramping it up another notch.

    And no, Brooks doesn't have any friends, especially 'black friends'.
    , @syonredux

    A black friend asked how many black people there are in the Bible. He ran down a list. I wondered how many white people there are in the Bible. I think the answer is zero. Am I wrong?
     
    Yes. For the reasons why, see above (lots of Greeks and Italians). Now, if you want a genuine complete absence, try this: There are no Amerinds in the Bible. There are also no Australian Aborigines or East Asians.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    If I recall correctly, the name 'Galatians' referred to a people living in Asia Minor who were likely of a Celtic background. The term 'Galatian' was a slur on these people's nasty pale complexions.
    , @Corvinus
    David Brooks is absolutely correct. People at that time did not specifically designate themselves as being "white" or "black".

    Would Jesus have cared if his followers were from a different race? How about God?

    Per usual, you require a history lesson. The "new immigrants" which came to our nation from 1880-1920 represented a frightening diversity to nativists. The difference perceived in these immigrants was frequently described as a racial difference in which Europeans were represented "races" identified by region (e.g. Alpine, Mediterranean, Slavic, Nordic). Madison Grant explained in his book "The Passing of the Great Race" that White Americans, the "great race", were losing out to hordes of inferior European immigrants.

    According to Grant, "These new immigrants were no longer exclusively members of the Nordic race as were the earlier ones...The transportation lines advertised America as a land flowing with milk and honey and the European governments took the opportunity to unload upon careless, wealthy and hospitable America the sweepings of their jails and asylums...Our jails, insane asylums and almshouses are filled with this human flotsam and the whole tone of American life, social, moral and political has been lowered and vulgarized by them."

    So much for white unity...
    , @Dr Van Nostrand
    Philistines were a pale and tall people - a mix of Sea Peoples and Minoans. King David was a ginger.
    , @Ibound1
    Well since the Bible states that Noah had three children, Ham, Shem and Japeth, and the Europeans are descended from Mr. Japeth, we have to assume that Mr. Japeth was white. Haven Monahan Japeth
  60. The US lost the war. From having a very small army, a relatively homogenous population, the highest quality of life in the world, the highest standard of living, the best movies, the best music … to this?

    We lost.

    The Byzantine Empire “won” against the Persians in the early 600s, only to be so weakened, they lost to the Arabs. And lost their lands forever.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    The Byzantine Empire “won” against the Persians in the early 600s, only to be so weakened, they lost to the Arabs. And lost their lands forever.
     
    Sometimes I like to daydream about the beautiful world we would live in today if the Byzantines had crushed the Arabs to dust in the late 600s. There would be no Muslim problem, anywhere.
  61. @J1234
    Yeah, Italians were once a "non-white" nationality according the standard leftist selective history that conflates the anecdotal with the general whenever necessary. (A few Americans apparently considered Italians non-white at one time, so that means all Americans did...even though there was no substantive legislation stating such in segregated America.)
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/03/22/sorry-but-the-irish-were-always-white-and-so-were-the-italians-jews-and-so-on/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5fd4c294850b

    Hitler did irritate Mussolini with his strange claims/accusations that Italians were "part African." In truth, if there was ever a group of people that could lay claim to being the "master race" of Europe, it was the Italians.

    In truth, if there was ever a group of people that could lay claim to being the “master race” of Europe, it was the Italians.

    Sophia Loren’s existence certainly supports that notion…

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    You bid with Sofia, I challenge with Paul Prentiss (Ragusa) for Italian babe of the 60s.

    https://informationcradle.com/usa/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/paula-prentiss-photo-1.jpg
    , @PiltdownMan
    Sophia Loren starred in a famous—but kinda grim—1960 film about the Marocchinate. Just pointing out the connection between two of your posts above.

    https://youtu.be/8TjtOepMYNs

  62. @Twinkie

    Gehngis Kahn
     
    Is he some Jewish figure of note?

    Is he some Jewish figure of note?

    Madeline Kahns younger brother……

  63. Diversity day and Pride month. What a natural pair.

    This Pride month/day has ensconced itself in the catalog of national holidays now. No less in importance and note than Thanksgiving, 4 th of July, Christmas.

    What abominable times.

  64. @syonredux

    In truth, if there was ever a group of people that could lay claim to being the “master race” of Europe, it was the Italians.
     
    Sophia Loren's existence certainly supports that notion...



    https://fedrationcouture.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/sophia_loren_521.jpg

    You bid with Sofia, I challenge with Paul Prentiss (Ragusa) for Italian babe of the 60s.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Prentiss was born Paula Ragusa in San Antonio, Texas, the daughter of Paulene (née Gardner) and Thomas J. Ragusa, a Social Sciences professor at San Antonio's University of the Incarnate Word, who was of Sicilian descent.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Prentiss


    I'm not sure that that she's 100% Italian.
  65. I believe that Stalin considered himself an “Asiatic”. Does that count for anything?

  66. @syonredux

    In truth, if there was ever a group of people that could lay claim to being the “master race” of Europe, it was the Italians.
     
    Sophia Loren's existence certainly supports that notion...



    https://fedrationcouture.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/sophia_loren_521.jpg

    Sophia Loren starred in a famous—but kinda grim—1960 film about the Marocchinate. Just pointing out the connection between two of your posts above.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    The French were to blame for this travesty. Just as much of increased diversity is the result of intra white squabbling -WASPs letting blacks loose on Scots Irish or altruism gone retarded -Scandinavian Lutherans bringing in Somalia in Minnesota and Stockholm. But by all means blame Jews if it makes you feel better. To be sure, there are lot of vile leftist Jews in the media, academia ,entertainment and government but they just take cues from SJW elites who are overwhelmingly WASPish from the progressive 1910s era to the hippies to the antifas today.
  67. @Dr. X

    Maybe I don’t remember much history, but I do know that, judging from this picture, D-Day must have failed, what with the shameful lack of diversity among the generals planning it.
     
    As every grade schooler knows by now, those old racist white crackers would've lost the war if it hadn't been for the Tuskegee Airmen coming to the rescue and single-handedly kicking some racist Nazi ass...

    And don’t forget the Navajo Code-Talkers

  68. @syonredux
    Speaking of diversity.....

    David Brooks really wants the Jews to get some of that sweet POC privilege......


    A black friend asked how many black people there are in the Bible. He ran down a list. I wondered how many white people there are in the Bible. I think the answer is zero. Am I wrong?

     

    https://twitter.com/nytdavidbrooks/status/1136463067116523520

    Assuming that Dave is not counting North Africans and Middle Easterners as White, that still leaves us with quite a few Greeks and Italians: Pontius Pilate , Luke, the Roman Centurion whose faith is commended by Jesus, Augustus, Tiberius,Lucius Sergius Paulus, the crowd of Athenians that Paul addresses in ACTS, etc, etc.....

    David Brooks has friends?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    Strictly imaginary
  69. @prime noticer
    the last "good war" in the eyes of the narrative - and they only talk about europe. it's like japan wasn't even involved. or china. or north africa. or the philippines. this war only happened in one place. france and germany. maybe kinda in russia, but they're about to become america's biggest global enemy, so no more movies or shows about russia in world war 2. the battle of britain is kinda sorta not kosher anymore either. not enough diversity in the UK troops.

    after all those world war 2 veterans die, and there's only a few left, there won't be any kind of celebration at all with regards to memorial day.

    nobody in the entire country cares at all about vietnam vets. nobody even remembers korea. and the current wave of vets from the wars in the desert are actually openly despised. people actually dislike these guys who fought in iraq and afghanistan.

    so what will the weird, frankenstein United States of 2030 even celebrate? nothing. that's what. a few fluff celebrations of the union army in 1865 to beat over the head any mop up level 'racists', a few 'beat you over the head one last time, nazi sympathizer' mentions of the ally forces in 1945, and that will be about it.

    humorous note: confederate stuff is now strictly forbidden almost everywhere so civil war battlefield stuff is about to disappear. no more visiting battlefields, dressing up, re-enacting, buying souvenirs, or anything. kinda makes it pointless when you go to visit one of these places and one side dresses up in blue and flies the union flag and the other side...wait. what other side. there never were any guys in gray, waving any other flag.

    not that the new, paper americans care at all about any of these wars, but i best most them will never even realize there was such a thing as a civil war. and who cares anyway, just a bunch of stupid old white guys.

    the last “good war” in the eyes of the narrative – and they only talk about europe. it’s like japan wasn’t even involved. or china. or north africa. or the philippines. this war only happened in one place. france and germany.

    Now everyone’s grandfather who served in WWII did so to fight Nazis and none signed up because they just wanted to go kill Japs.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Now everyone’s grandfather who served in WWII did so to fight Nazis and none signed up because they just wanted to go kill Japs.
     
    And they all "signed up". Nobody, apparently, was drafted in WWII.
  70. @istevefan
    You can also add that the US military was a segregated Jim Crow army. Additionally women who served were put into separate corps such as the WACs.


    PS. Imagine if those men knew that their children, grand children and future descendants were going to become a despised minority in their own lands. I wonder how many of them would still have fought knowing their victory would ultimately lead to something worse than simply losing a war.

    I wonder how many of them would still have fought knowing their victory would ultimately lead to something worse than simply losing a war.

    I will simply say that I’m glad my Silver and Bronze Star winning mother’s father passed away in 1994.

  71. @newrouter
    In the movie Patton, the general had black aide does this count?

    in the movie Patton, the general had black aide does this count?

    Aide? That was Patton’s valet. The Patton movie made no mention of ole George’s twenty-something nurse, whose role was similar to that of Ike’s chauffeur.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    I read in Bob Woodward's book that Petraeus performance as valet to a high ranking general put in the position of top general in Iraq in 2007. A lot of military industrial complex appointment are a combination of merit and schmoozing.
    Dont remember if the book was Obama's Wars or The War Within
  72. @J1234
    Yeah, Italians were once a "non-white" nationality according the standard leftist selective history that conflates the anecdotal with the general whenever necessary. (A few Americans apparently considered Italians non-white at one time, so that means all Americans did...even though there was no substantive legislation stating such in segregated America.)
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/03/22/sorry-but-the-irish-were-always-white-and-so-were-the-italians-jews-and-so-on/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5fd4c294850b

    Hitler did irritate Mussolini with his strange claims/accusations that Italians were "part African." In truth, if there was ever a group of people that could lay claim to being the "master race" of Europe, it was the Italians.

    In truth, if there was ever a group of people that could lay claim to being the “master race” of Europe, it was the Italians.

    You’re going to make me post the Dennis Hopper clip from True Romance, aren’t you?

  73. @Anon
    The Allies were much more multiethnic.

    America had Black soldiers.

    France made use of North Africans.

    Britain used Indians.

    China fought on the Allied site.

    Jews were Pro-Ally.

    Japanese were disadvantaged by having half of America's population, HIGHLY limited resources, and only a small number of allies. Also, no smart&creative Jewish scientists to create the Atomic bomb for them.

    If Japan had what America had, the war may have gone differently.

    America had Black soldiers.

    Nope no combat soldiers. Blacks in the WWII US Army ground forces all had support roles.

  74. @Ibound1
    The US lost the war. From having a very small army, a relatively homogenous population, the highest quality of life in the world, the highest standard of living, the best movies, the best music ... to this?

    We lost.

    The Byzantine Empire “won” against the Persians in the early 600s, only to be so weakened, they lost to the Arabs. And lost their lands forever.

    The Byzantine Empire “won” against the Persians in the early 600s, only to be so weakened, they lost to the Arabs. And lost their lands forever.

    Sometimes I like to daydream about the beautiful world we would live in today if the Byzantines had crushed the Arabs to dust in the late 600s. There would be no Muslim problem, anywhere.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Probably a better world, but the counter argument is that Christendom was ripe for invasion from 400-1100AD, and if it hadn’t been the Arabs it would have been a Turkic, Persian, Mongol, etc invasion.
    , @Ibound1
    I prefer my regrets closer in time:

    The West had all of North Africa, and the whole of the Levant and a good bit of the Persian Gulf and could have had Constantinople - all before and right after WW1. North Africa, the Gulf and the Levant had virtually no population in those days. They could have all been restored to Christendom easily enough. The Turks had destroyed the Armenians! Instead gay Arabists from the British foreign office, dreaming of their Arab Sheikhs, turned all over to wandering tribes who had no more claim to those lands than a farmer from Cornwall. At least the Jews got hold of Palestine. Otherwise what a waste.

  75. Here is an old interview with General Mark Clark, US Fifth Army commander in Italy, on the difference between the homogeneous Germans and his mixed allied forces:

    • Replies: @RVBlake
    The good General seems to imply that Diversity compared to Homogeneity comes up short. The horror!
  76. In the photo, the Allied commanders before the invasion of Normandy. From left to right:
    * General Omar N. Bradley, Commander US First Army
    * Admiral Sir Bertram Hume Ramsay, Commander-in-Chief, Allied Expeditionary Naval Force
    * Air Chief Marshal Sir Arthur Tedder, Deputy Supreme Commander Allied Expeditionary Force
    * General Dwight D. Eisenhower, Supreme Commander Allied Expeditionary Force
    * General Sir Bernard Law Montgomery, Commander 21st Army Group
    * Air Chief Marshal Sir Trafford Leigh-Mallory, Commander-in-Chief Allied Expeditionary Air Force
    * Lieutenant General Walter Bedell Smith, Chief-of-Staff to the Supreme Allied Commander

  77. The patch for SHAEF seems very inclusive to the modern eye. Rainbows and flaming swords.
    https://images.app.goo.gl/nQY9tm8hj8hqYSx67

    • LOL: Old Prude
  78. I’ll take the opposite position. The Allies were unquestionably more diverse, though that diversity wasn’t necessarily reflected in our leadership. The real shock in WW2 was that, despite being heavily outnumbered, two emphatically non-diverse empires – Japan and the Third Reich – managed to put up such a damn good fight. Had the numbers been somewhat more equal they unquestionably would have won.

    Another irony of WW2 is that the diversity crowd loves to celebrate the performance of two decidedly homogeneous units – the 442nd Regimental Combat Team and the Tuskegee Airmen – when it would seem to me just to prove the value of ethnic solidarity to unit pride and cohesion

    Yet another irony: every major war we have fought since the integration of the military and the civil rights movement has been either a draw or a loss.

    Yet another irony: fought with the same technology and on the same terms, there is no way in hell that we could win World War 2 today. We teach our kids to loathe their own country and fellow countrymen.

    And the final irony: I recall reading that Japan lobbied for the US to pass the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Act. That was the real last battle of World War 2, and they unquestionably won it.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Another irony of WW2 is that the diversity crowd loves to celebrate the performance of two decidedly homogeneous units – the 442nd Regimental Combat Team and the Tuskegee Airmen – when it would seem to me just to prove the value of ethnic solidarity to unit pride and cohesion
     
    The 442, sure; they were a genuinely heroic unit. The Tuskegee Airmen, not so much...


    https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/myth-takes-flight-hbos-1995-tuskegee/
    , @Mr McKenna

    The real shock in WW2 was that, despite being heavily outnumbered, two emphatically non-diverse empires – Japan and the Third Reich – managed to put up such a damn good fight. Had the numbers been somewhat more equal they unquestionably would have won.
     
    Or maybe if Hitler simply hadn't invaded Russia one cold winter? He could have won the Euro theatre but would the 'political forces' in the USA ever have let him rest?

    Yet another irony: every major war we have fought since the integration of the military and the civil rights movement has been either a draw or a loss.
     
    Well there's something you won't read in the MSM.

    Yet another irony: fought with the same technology and on the same terms, there is no way in hell that we could win World War 2 today. We teach our kids to loathe their own country and fellow countrymen.
     
    Another good point.

    And the final irony: I recall reading that Japan lobbied for the US to pass the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Act. That was the real last battle of World War 2, and they unquestionably won it.
     
    I'd love a cite for this. It was definitely our Waterloo so I'm always interested in the interested parties.
  79. @syonredux
    Speaking of diversity.....

    David Brooks really wants the Jews to get some of that sweet POC privilege......


    A black friend asked how many black people there are in the Bible. He ran down a list. I wondered how many white people there are in the Bible. I think the answer is zero. Am I wrong?

     

    https://twitter.com/nytdavidbrooks/status/1136463067116523520

    Assuming that Dave is not counting North Africans and Middle Easterners as White, that still leaves us with quite a few Greeks and Italians: Pontius Pilate , Luke, the Roman Centurion whose faith is commended by Jesus, Augustus, Tiberius,Lucius Sergius Paulus, the crowd of Athenians that Paul addresses in ACTS, etc, etc.....

    Pontius Pilate , Luke, the Roman Centurion whose faith is commended by Jesus, Augustus, Tiberius,Lucius Sergius Paulus, the crowd of Athenians that Paul addresses in ACTS, etc, etc…..

    I can only assume that the Bible that Brooks is referencing does not include any of those individuals because it’s missing a few books. Davis mostly prefers the books that call his people the chosen ones where God urges them to commit the occasional genocide and sometimes even does it for them.

    However the Hittites (such as Uriah the Hittite, the guy effectively murdered by King David in order to steal his wife) might qualify as white. They entered Anatolia from points north and spoke an Indo-European language and probably were descended from the Yamnaya.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Pontius Pilate , Luke, the Roman Centurion whose faith is commended by Jesus, Augustus, Tiberius,Lucius Sergius Paulus, the crowd of Athenians that Paul addresses in ACTS, etc, etc…..

    I can only assume that the Bible that Brooks is referencing does not include any of those individuals because it’s missing a few books. Davis mostly prefers the books that call his people the chosen ones where God urges them to commit the occasional genocide and sometimes even does it for them.
     
    Excluding the NT, you've still got, for example, references to Alexander the Great and to Antiochus IV Epiphanes in the Book of Daniel.....
    , @International Jew
    The Indo-European Hittites of Anatolia and the Canaanite Hittites were not the same people. The similar names are a coincidence.

    The Indo-Europeans in the Hebrew Bible are the Persians! And probably the Philistines too; they're believed to have arrived by sea around 900BC, and "by sea" suggests Greece or its islands.
    , @Dr Van Nostrand
    In the "old book" you have Antiochus IV Epiphanes and general Nicanor( a descendent of Seleukus Nicator who undid Alexanders conquests in India) . The defeat of these guys is the basis of Hannukah. Found in the first and second Maccabees. Though Antiochus was most likely a Hellenized Syrian.
  80. @Wilkey
    I'll take the opposite position. The Allies were unquestionably more diverse, though that diversity wasn't necessarily reflected in our leadership. The real shock in WW2 was that, despite being heavily outnumbered, two emphatically non-diverse empires - Japan and the Third Reich - managed to put up such a damn good fight. Had the numbers been somewhat more equal they unquestionably would have won.

    Another irony of WW2 is that the diversity crowd loves to celebrate the performance of two decidedly homogeneous units - the 442nd Regimental Combat Team and the Tuskegee Airmen - when it would seem to me just to prove the value of ethnic solidarity to unit pride and cohesion

    Yet another irony: every major war we have fought since the integration of the military and the civil rights movement has been either a draw or a loss.

    Yet another irony: fought with the same technology and on the same terms, there is no way in hell that we could win World War 2 today. We teach our kids to loathe their own country and fellow countrymen.

    And the final irony: I recall reading that Japan lobbied for the US to pass the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Act. That was the real last battle of World War 2, and they unquestionably won it.

    Another irony of WW2 is that the diversity crowd loves to celebrate the performance of two decidedly homogeneous units – the 442nd Regimental Combat Team and the Tuskegee Airmen – when it would seem to me just to prove the value of ethnic solidarity to unit pride and cohesion

    The 442, sure; they were a genuinely heroic unit. The Tuskegee Airmen, not so much…

    https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/myth-takes-flight-hbos-1995-tuskegee/

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    Perhaps. But if they want to claim that the Tuskegee Airmen had an extraordinary record then I'm going to point out that the Tuskegee Airmen weren't diverse. What are they gunna do, come back and claim that the Tuskegee Airmen sucked?
  81. @Anonymous
    A lot of Africans did fight. In fact, without Africans, the French would not really have had much of an independent army at all, as there was not much popular native French morale or enthusiasm to oppose Vichy France. The French military officer class tended to be reactionaries who were not that hostile to Vichy France, and many were rather quite sympathetic to it.

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9barquement_de_Provence#Composition_des_forces_terrestres_fran%C3%A7aises


    From August 15, 1944, about 260,000 fighters of the "Army B" French, led by General Jean Lattre de Tassigny, arrived in the South of France. They will land in the following months, including 5,000 female auxiliaries; 10% were from the metropolis (the "free French" of General de Gaulle) or Black Africa (nearly 10 000), 90% came from North Africa, an overwhelming majority for the departments of Algeria; Of these, 52% were of North African origin (nearly 100,000) and 48% were of European origin (Blackfoot) 11,12.

    In the larger units, the percentage of North African soldiers ranged from 27% at 1st DB to 56% at 2nd WMD.
     

    ‘A lot of Africans did fight. In fact, without Africans…’

    We were discussing black Africans. Not identical with Africans.

    Yes, the French had some Senegalese. And the British employed a few Brigades of West African troops in Burma. The claim was that ‘a million black Africans fought.‘ That would be off by a factor of perhaps fifty.

  82. @J1234
    Yeah, Italians were once a "non-white" nationality according the standard leftist selective history that conflates the anecdotal with the general whenever necessary. (A few Americans apparently considered Italians non-white at one time, so that means all Americans did...even though there was no substantive legislation stating such in segregated America.)
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/03/22/sorry-but-the-irish-were-always-white-and-so-were-the-italians-jews-and-so-on/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5fd4c294850b

    Hitler did irritate Mussolini with his strange claims/accusations that Italians were "part African." In truth, if there was ever a group of people that could lay claim to being the "master race" of Europe, it was the Italians.

    A few Americans apparently considered Italians non-white at one time, so that means all Americans did…even though there was no substantive legislation stating such in segregated America.

    Italy has had an enormous influence on Western Civilization for centuries, from the Roman Era to the Renaissance to the ideas that helped inspire the Constitution. Italy was the unquestioned seat of Western Christianity until the 16th Century. Yes they had a few cultural traits that stood out in a country that was overwhelmingly Northern European when they started to arrive, but it’s ridiculous for anyone to claim that Italians were ever thought of as anything but white.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Yes they had a few cultural traits that stood out in a country that was overwhelmingly Northern European when they started to arrive, but it’s ridiculous for anyone to claim that Italians were ever thought of as anything but white."

    Not being considered white led to new immigrant misery. Economist Robert F. Forester wrote in 1924, “in a country where the distinction between white man and black is intended as a distinction of value … it is no compliment to the Italian to deny him his whiteness, but that actually happens with considerable frequency.”

    In “Italian Americans as a Cognizable Racial Group,” New York State Supreme Court Justice Dominic R. Massaro surveys recent court decisions which have established Italian Americans as a racial group subject to protection by New York law, especially in cases of Affirmative Action. As a result of this protection, the first chair of Italian American Studies was awarded to the John D.
    Calandra Institute in a discrimination lawsuit against the City University of New York system. The decision in favor of the plaintiff in “Scelsa v. the City University of New York” solidified the position of Italian Americans as “in between people”, as people capable of substantiating discrimination claims, at least in the state of New York.
  83. @syonredux

    Another irony of WW2 is that the diversity crowd loves to celebrate the performance of two decidedly homogeneous units – the 442nd Regimental Combat Team and the Tuskegee Airmen – when it would seem to me just to prove the value of ethnic solidarity to unit pride and cohesion
     
    The 442, sure; they were a genuinely heroic unit. The Tuskegee Airmen, not so much...


    https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/myth-takes-flight-hbos-1995-tuskegee/

    Perhaps. But if they want to claim that the Tuskegee Airmen had an extraordinary record then I’m going to point out that the Tuskegee Airmen weren’t diverse. What are they gunna do, come back and claim that the Tuskegee Airmen sucked?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'What are they gunna do, come back and claim that the Tuskegee Airmen sucked?'

    Their record was pretty mediocre. They were held out of serious combat until the Luftwaffe was essentially a thing of the past.
    , @syonredux

    What are they gunna do, come back and claim that the Tuskegee Airmen sucked?
     
    That would at least be true....
  84. @syonredux
    Speaking of diversity.....

    David Brooks really wants the Jews to get some of that sweet POC privilege......


    A black friend asked how many black people there are in the Bible. He ran down a list. I wondered how many white people there are in the Bible. I think the answer is zero. Am I wrong?

     

    https://twitter.com/nytdavidbrooks/status/1136463067116523520

    Assuming that Dave is not counting North Africans and Middle Easterners as White, that still leaves us with quite a few Greeks and Italians: Pontius Pilate , Luke, the Roman Centurion whose faith is commended by Jesus, Augustus, Tiberius,Lucius Sergius Paulus, the crowd of Athenians that Paul addresses in ACTS, etc, etc.....

    ‘A black friend asked how many black people there are in the Bible. He ran down a list. I wondered how many white people there are in the Bible. I think the answer is zero. Am I wrong?’

    I would say ‘God, what an idiot’…but David Brooks is not that stupid. Therefore, he’s being dishonest.

    …so I’ll say ‘God, what a swine.’

  85. Someday, I will talk about the “insurance policy” we had ( my grandpa made): but, I adore opera, so, suffer if you are so inclined…or enjoy:

    • Replies: @Corn
    “Someday, I will talk about the “insurance policy” we had ( my grandpa made)”

    Grandpa bury some rifles in the woods in case the Soviets decided to occupy all of Finland in ‘44?
  86. @Wilkey

    Pontius Pilate , Luke, the Roman Centurion whose faith is commended by Jesus, Augustus, Tiberius,Lucius Sergius Paulus, the crowd of Athenians that Paul addresses in ACTS, etc, etc…..

     

    I can only assume that the Bible that Brooks is referencing does not include any of those individuals because it's missing a few books. Davis mostly prefers the books that call his people the chosen ones where God urges them to commit the occasional genocide and sometimes even does it for them.

    However the Hittites (such as Uriah the Hittite, the guy effectively murdered by King David in order to steal his wife) might qualify as white. They entered Anatolia from points north and spoke an Indo-European language and probably were descended from the Yamnaya.

    Pontius Pilate , Luke, the Roman Centurion whose faith is commended by Jesus, Augustus, Tiberius,Lucius Sergius Paulus, the crowd of Athenians that Paul addresses in ACTS, etc, etc…..

    I can only assume that the Bible that Brooks is referencing does not include any of those individuals because it’s missing a few books. Davis mostly prefers the books that call his people the chosen ones where God urges them to commit the occasional genocide and sometimes even does it for them.

    Excluding the NT, you’ve still got, for example, references to Alexander the Great and to Antiochus IV Epiphanes in the Book of Daniel…..

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Antiochus references inthe Book of Daniel were placed by pious scribes in around 167BC. The core text composed in the Babylonian era did not contain these though the rich imagery of a golden head, iron body(Greeks associated with iron) and feet of clay was used in exegates by many.
  87. @Wilkey
    Perhaps. But if they want to claim that the Tuskegee Airmen had an extraordinary record then I'm going to point out that the Tuskegee Airmen weren't diverse. What are they gunna do, come back and claim that the Tuskegee Airmen sucked?

    ‘What are they gunna do, come back and claim that the Tuskegee Airmen sucked?’

    Their record was pretty mediocre. They were held out of serious combat until the Luftwaffe was essentially a thing of the past.

  88. @Wilkey
    Perhaps. But if they want to claim that the Tuskegee Airmen had an extraordinary record then I'm going to point out that the Tuskegee Airmen weren't diverse. What are they gunna do, come back and claim that the Tuskegee Airmen sucked?

    What are they gunna do, come back and claim that the Tuskegee Airmen sucked?

    That would at least be true….

  89. @Colin Wright
    'More than a million black Africans fought for Britain and France...'

    More than a million black Africans may have served. Considerably fewer fought.

    Which all turned to be just a part of Carlo Ponti’s coy plan to get Sophia her first Oscar:

    Here’s Sophia again – after she learned the hard way that Obama & Hillary Came, Saw, and Colonel Ganddalfi Died:

  90. @syonredux

    The 442nd Infantry Regiment is an infantry regiment of the United States Army and is the only infantry formation in the Army Reserve. The regiment is best known for its history as a fighting unit composed almost entirely of second-generation American soldiers of Japanese ancestry (Nisei) who fought in World War II. Beginning in 1944, the regiment fought primarily in the European Theatre,[3] in particular Italy, southern France, and Germany. Many of the soldiers had families in internment camps while they fought abroad.[4] The unit's motto was "Go for Broke".
     

    The 442nd Regiment is the most decorated unit in U.S. military history.[5] Created as the 442nd Regimental Combat Team when it was activated February 1, 1943, the unit quickly grew to its fighting complement of 4,000 men by April 1943, and an eventual total of about 14,000 men served overall. The unit earned more than 18,000 awards in less than two years, including 9,486 Purple Hearts and 4,000 Bronze Star Medals. The unit was awarded eight Presidential Unit Citations (five earned in one month).[6]:201 Twenty-one of its members were awarded Medals of Honor.[3] In 2010, the Congressional Gold Medal was awarded to the 442nd Regimental Combat Team and associated units who served during World War II,[7] and in 2012, all surviving members were made chevaliers of the French Légion d'Honneur for their actions contributing to the liberation of France and their heroic rescue of the Lost Battalion.[8]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)

    Good thing the Japs were short of gasoline the entire war.

  91. @Daniel H
    You bid with Sofia, I challenge with Paul Prentiss (Ragusa) for Italian babe of the 60s.

    https://informationcradle.com/usa/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/paula-prentiss-photo-1.jpg

    Prentiss was born Paula Ragusa in San Antonio, Texas, the daughter of Paulene (née Gardner) and Thomas J. Ragusa, a Social Sciences professor at San Antonio’s University of the Incarnate Word, who was of Sicilian descent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Prentiss

    I’m not sure that that she’s 100% Italian.

  92. @Dr. X

    Maybe I don’t remember much history, but I do know that, judging from this picture, D-Day must have failed, what with the shameful lack of diversity among the generals planning it.
     
    As every grade schooler knows by now, those old racist white crackers would've lost the war if it hadn't been for the Tuskegee Airmen coming to the rescue and single-handedly kicking some racist Nazi ass...

    Now there’s someone who’s been paying attention!

  93. @Wilkey

    Pontius Pilate , Luke, the Roman Centurion whose faith is commended by Jesus, Augustus, Tiberius,Lucius Sergius Paulus, the crowd of Athenians that Paul addresses in ACTS, etc, etc…..

     

    I can only assume that the Bible that Brooks is referencing does not include any of those individuals because it's missing a few books. Davis mostly prefers the books that call his people the chosen ones where God urges them to commit the occasional genocide and sometimes even does it for them.

    However the Hittites (such as Uriah the Hittite, the guy effectively murdered by King David in order to steal his wife) might qualify as white. They entered Anatolia from points north and spoke an Indo-European language and probably were descended from the Yamnaya.

    The Indo-European Hittites of Anatolia and the Canaanite Hittites were not the same people. The similar names are a coincidence.

    The Indo-Europeans in the Hebrew Bible are the Persians! And probably the Philistines too; they’re believed to have arrived by sea around 900BC, and “by sea” suggests Greece or its islands.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    The Indo-Europeans in the Hebrew Bible are the Persians!

    Woops. Of course.

    Never knew there two different peoples referred to as Hittites, but I'l take your word for it.

    Of course the Persians aren't as pasty as the Irish, so there's no way they could qualify as white. It's funny that the SJW crowd thinks that you blacks can have huge variations in skin color but still all qualify as black, but anyone a shade or two darker than your average Icelander suddenly doesn't qualify as white.
    , @gcochran
    Neo-Hitties state were outliers of the original Hittite Empire, continued to be culturally influenced by the Hittites after the fall of the original Hittite Empire. Inscriptions in Anatolian hieroglyphs continued, some in Luwian. Some dynastic continuity, in the north.
    , @Dr Van Nostrand
    I read a commentary on Kings I and II which I think dealt with the randy King David who seduced Bathsheba who was the wife of Uriah the Hittite. Back then Hittite were often used as mercenaries due to their familiarity with iron and superior cavalry but after a while, the word Hittite became a synonymn for any accomplished man at arms who had military resources at his disposal. In India, the first regiment to train,shoot and march in European military formation and discipline were Telugus of southern India who were trained by the French. This was the Telengana or Tilanga regiment. In rest of the country therefore Tilanga became synonym for soldiers even if they werent ethnically Telugu.

    Uriah the "Hittite" therefore was most likely Hebrew. Uriah and Bathsheba are both Hebrew names with no evidence of being Hebraized from another culture.

  94. @njguy73

    so what will the weird, frankenstein United States of 2030 even celebrate? nothing. that’s what. a few fluff celebrations of the union army in 1865 to beat over the head any mop up level ‘racists’, a few ‘beat you over the head one last time, nazi sympathizer’ mentions of the ally forces in 1945, and that will be about it.

     

    May The Fourth, Talk Like A Pirate Day, and Pi Day will be federal holidays.

    Columbus Day, Veterans Day, and Presidents Day will not be.

    October 28th, Caitlyn’s birthday, will be a national holiday

  95. @J1234
    Yeah, Italians were once a "non-white" nationality according the standard leftist selective history that conflates the anecdotal with the general whenever necessary. (A few Americans apparently considered Italians non-white at one time, so that means all Americans did...even though there was no substantive legislation stating such in segregated America.)
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/03/22/sorry-but-the-irish-were-always-white-and-so-were-the-italians-jews-and-so-on/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5fd4c294850b

    Hitler did irritate Mussolini with his strange claims/accusations that Italians were "part African." In truth, if there was ever a group of people that could lay claim to being the "master race" of Europe, it was the Italians.

    Sorry, but northern Italy got overrun by the Lombards, a Germanic group. So poor old Benito was going to need the Krauts to revive the Roma.

  96. Hey, iSteve, if you updated the uniforms those guys look like they could be in charge of today’s military. The last white-dominated business in the US is government, and especially the military. I remember back in the day, before the GWOT, the joint chiefs actually had a Black guy, what happened to him? How come they couldn’t find a replacement Black guy?

    BTW, who is the supreme commander of allied forces these days?

  97. @Wilkey
    I'll take the opposite position. The Allies were unquestionably more diverse, though that diversity wasn't necessarily reflected in our leadership. The real shock in WW2 was that, despite being heavily outnumbered, two emphatically non-diverse empires - Japan and the Third Reich - managed to put up such a damn good fight. Had the numbers been somewhat more equal they unquestionably would have won.

    Another irony of WW2 is that the diversity crowd loves to celebrate the performance of two decidedly homogeneous units - the 442nd Regimental Combat Team and the Tuskegee Airmen - when it would seem to me just to prove the value of ethnic solidarity to unit pride and cohesion

    Yet another irony: every major war we have fought since the integration of the military and the civil rights movement has been either a draw or a loss.

    Yet another irony: fought with the same technology and on the same terms, there is no way in hell that we could win World War 2 today. We teach our kids to loathe their own country and fellow countrymen.

    And the final irony: I recall reading that Japan lobbied for the US to pass the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Act. That was the real last battle of World War 2, and they unquestionably won it.

    The real shock in WW2 was that, despite being heavily outnumbered, two emphatically non-diverse empires – Japan and the Third Reich – managed to put up such a damn good fight. Had the numbers been somewhat more equal they unquestionably would have won.

    Or maybe if Hitler simply hadn’t invaded Russia one cold winter? He could have won the Euro theatre but would the ‘political forces’ in the USA ever have let him rest?

    Yet another irony: every major war we have fought since the integration of the military and the civil rights movement has been either a draw or a loss.

    Well there’s something you won’t read in the MSM.

    Yet another irony: fought with the same technology and on the same terms, there is no way in hell that we could win World War 2 today. We teach our kids to loathe their own country and fellow countrymen.

    Another good point.

    And the final irony: I recall reading that Japan lobbied for the US to pass the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Act. That was the real last battle of World War 2, and they unquestionably won it.

    I’d love a cite for this. It was definitely our Waterloo so I’m always interested in the interested parties.

    • Replies: @Wilkey

    I’d love a cite for this. It was definitely our Waterloo so I’m always interested in the interested parties.
     
    And I'd love to provide you with one. It may be easy to find on Google. It was in an article I read on Hart-Cellar some time ago. I don't recall who wrote it, but it stuck out. It didn't suggest that Japan had any ulterior motive, or foresaw how family reunification would inflict such massive racial changes on the US so quickly, but it was interesting, nonetheless.

    And one more irony I'd add to my list above: After all that death and mayhem, after tens of millions of European men throwing their young lives away to defend "our countries," we ultimately create an international law, the UN Convention on Refugees, that requires us to surrender our countries to invaders without firing a shot.

    What an insane way to end a war.
  98. @syonredux
    Speaking of diversity.....

    David Brooks really wants the Jews to get some of that sweet POC privilege......


    A black friend asked how many black people there are in the Bible. He ran down a list. I wondered how many white people there are in the Bible. I think the answer is zero. Am I wrong?

     

    https://twitter.com/nytdavidbrooks/status/1136463067116523520

    Assuming that Dave is not counting North Africans and Middle Easterners as White, that still leaves us with quite a few Greeks and Italians: Pontius Pilate , Luke, the Roman Centurion whose faith is commended by Jesus, Augustus, Tiberius,Lucius Sergius Paulus, the crowd of Athenians that Paul addresses in ACTS, etc, etc.....

    I wondered how many white people there are in the Bible. I think the answer is zero.

    — David Brooks

    Every time I turn around, the NYT columnists are ramping it up another notch.

    And no, Brooks doesn’t have any friends, especially ‘black friends’.

  99. @Known Fact
    David Brooks has friends?

    Strictly imaginary

  100. @International Jew
    The Indo-European Hittites of Anatolia and the Canaanite Hittites were not the same people. The similar names are a coincidence.

    The Indo-Europeans in the Hebrew Bible are the Persians! And probably the Philistines too; they're believed to have arrived by sea around 900BC, and "by sea" suggests Greece or its islands.

    The Indo-Europeans in the Hebrew Bible are the Persians!

    Woops. Of course.

    Never knew there two different peoples referred to as Hittites, but I’l take your word for it.

    Of course the Persians aren’t as pasty as the Irish, so there’s no way they could qualify as white. It’s funny that the SJW crowd thinks that you blacks can have huge variations in skin color but still all qualify as black, but anyone a shade or two darker than your average Icelander suddenly doesn’t qualify as white.

    • Replies: @Anon

    Of course the Persians aren’t as pasty as the Irish, so there’s no way they could qualify as white
     
    The Persians were only as pasty as the Germans.
    , @Dr Van Nostrand
    I have seen blonde blue eyed Persians but most of this lot is from the Caspian Sea who may been descended from Scythians or some other folk who had been Persianized in the medieval era. From the freezes of Persepolis etc, Persians dont seem all that different from dark Caucasian Assyrians.
    But Persians are real touchy about being real Aryans and present their blondes up front as proof. A good chunk of their population from the Persian Gulf area especially(whence most of their empires originated) can be as dark as any south Indian though with more acquiline features.
  101. @syonredux
    Speaking of diversity.....

    David Brooks really wants the Jews to get some of that sweet POC privilege......


    A black friend asked how many black people there are in the Bible. He ran down a list. I wondered how many white people there are in the Bible. I think the answer is zero. Am I wrong?

     

    https://twitter.com/nytdavidbrooks/status/1136463067116523520

    Assuming that Dave is not counting North Africans and Middle Easterners as White, that still leaves us with quite a few Greeks and Italians: Pontius Pilate , Luke, the Roman Centurion whose faith is commended by Jesus, Augustus, Tiberius,Lucius Sergius Paulus, the crowd of Athenians that Paul addresses in ACTS, etc, etc.....

    A black friend asked how many black people there are in the Bible. He ran down a list. I wondered how many white people there are in the Bible. I think the answer is zero. Am I wrong?

    Yes. For the reasons why, see above (lots of Greeks and Italians). Now, if you want a genuine complete absence, try this: There are no Amerinds in the Bible. There are also no Australian Aborigines or East Asians.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand

    There are no Amerinds in the Bible
     
    Mitt Romney and his coreligionists disagree.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    There are no Amerinds in the Bible
     
    Are there porkrinds? If so, probably in a prohibition.
  102. @Mr McKenna

    The real shock in WW2 was that, despite being heavily outnumbered, two emphatically non-diverse empires – Japan and the Third Reich – managed to put up such a damn good fight. Had the numbers been somewhat more equal they unquestionably would have won.
     
    Or maybe if Hitler simply hadn't invaded Russia one cold winter? He could have won the Euro theatre but would the 'political forces' in the USA ever have let him rest?

    Yet another irony: every major war we have fought since the integration of the military and the civil rights movement has been either a draw or a loss.
     
    Well there's something you won't read in the MSM.

    Yet another irony: fought with the same technology and on the same terms, there is no way in hell that we could win World War 2 today. We teach our kids to loathe their own country and fellow countrymen.
     
    Another good point.

    And the final irony: I recall reading that Japan lobbied for the US to pass the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Act. That was the real last battle of World War 2, and they unquestionably won it.
     
    I'd love a cite for this. It was definitely our Waterloo so I'm always interested in the interested parties.

    I’d love a cite for this. It was definitely our Waterloo so I’m always interested in the interested parties.

    And I’d love to provide you with one. It may be easy to find on Google. It was in an article I read on Hart-Cellar some time ago. I don’t recall who wrote it, but it stuck out. It didn’t suggest that Japan had any ulterior motive, or foresaw how family reunification would inflict such massive racial changes on the US so quickly, but it was interesting, nonetheless.

    And one more irony I’d add to my list above: After all that death and mayhem, after tens of millions of European men throwing their young lives away to defend “our countries,” we ultimately create an international law, the UN Convention on Refugees, that requires us to surrender our countries to invaders without firing a shot.

    What an insane way to end a war.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    or foresaw how family reunification would inflict such massive racial changes
     
    Family reunification was added because at the time it favored Europeans, whose relatives were already here, and would thus forestall those changes.

    Problem is, that would only work for a decade or so, till the rest of the world caught up.
    , @syonredux

    It didn’t suggest that Japan had any ulterior motive, or foresaw how family reunification would inflict such massive racial changes on the US so quickly, but it was interesting, nonetheless.
     
    I'd be willing to replace all of the Latinx Amerinds and Mestizos in the USA with Japanese.....If anyone's interested.....
  103. Stalin was a very swarthy Georgian, „Caucasian” but not white, at least not in modern Russia.

  104. @The Wild Geese Howard

    The Byzantine Empire “won” against the Persians in the early 600s, only to be so weakened, they lost to the Arabs. And lost their lands forever.
     
    Sometimes I like to daydream about the beautiful world we would live in today if the Byzantines had crushed the Arabs to dust in the late 600s. There would be no Muslim problem, anywhere.

    Probably a better world, but the counter argument is that Christendom was ripe for invasion from 400-1100AD, and if it hadn’t been the Arabs it would have been a Turkic, Persian, Mongol, etc invasion.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    Well, Zoroastrianism doesn't sound half bad.
    , @Redneck farmer
    Well, more like 400-800 AD. No big invasions of mainland Europe afterwards until the Turks. (Ol' Genghis didn't have the terrain to take most of Europe.) Remember, by 1000 we'd finally recovered from the Carolingian collapse.
  105. @Anon
    The Allies were much more multiethnic.

    America had Black soldiers.

    France made use of North Africans.

    Britain used Indians.

    China fought on the Allied site.

    Jews were Pro-Ally.

    Japanese were disadvantaged by having half of America's population, HIGHLY limited resources, and only a small number of allies. Also, no smart&creative Jewish scientists to create the Atomic bomb for them.

    If Japan had what America had, the war may have gone differently.

    America had Black soldiers.

    Like Emmitt Till’s dad.

    A soldier during World War II, Louis Till was executed by the U.S. Army in 1945 after being found guilty of murder and rape. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Till

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Here’s a French article on rapes committed by US troops during WW2:

    Between June 14, 1944 and June 19, 1945, the US military tried 68 cases of ordinary rape involving 75 victims, of whom 3 (4%) were refugees. 

    A total of 139 soldiers were present at the crime scene – 117 (84%) were black and 22 (16%) were white. The army judged 116 of these soldiers, 94 (81%) black and 22 (19%) white. The prosecution used some of the soldiers not tried as witnesses against the defendants. One of the most important revelations is the military identity of rapists.
     
    Disproportionate…….

    To our surprise, the US military justice records reveal that the vast majority of soldiers tried for rape in France were not front-line combatants but rather members of logistical support units, that is to say soldiers who were responsible for supplying front-line soldiers with ammunition, food, gas and spare parts.
     
    Blacks were heavily concentrated in support units during WW2……

    https://www.cairn.info/revue-vingtieme-siecle-revue-d-histoire-2002-3-page-109.htm#
    , @syonredux
    Here’s a French article on rapes committed by US troops during WW2:

    Between June 14, 1944 and June 19, 1945, the US military tried 68 cases of ordinary rape involving 75 victims, of whom 3 (4%) were refugees. 

    A total of 139 soldiers were present at the crime scene – 117 (84%) were black and 22 (16%) were white. The army judged 116 of these soldiers, 94 (81%) black and 22 (19%) white. The prosecution used some of the soldiers not tried as witnesses against the defendants. One of the most important revelations is the military identity of rapists.
     
    Disproportionate…….

    To our surprise, the US military justice records reveal that the vast majority of soldiers tried for rape in France were not front-line combatants but rather members of logistical support units, that is to say soldiers who were responsible for supplying front-line soldiers with ammunition, food, gas and spare parts.
     
    Blacks were heavily concentrated in support units during WW2……

    https://www.cairn.info/revue-vingtieme-siecle-revue-d-histoire-2002-3-page-109.htm#
    , @syonredux
    Here’s a French article on rapes committed by US troops during WW2. It's surprisingly frank on certain matters:

    Between June 14, 1944 and June 19, 1945, the US military tried 68 cases of ordinary rape involving 75 victims, of whom 3 (4%) were refugees. 

    A total of 139 soldiers were present at the crime scene – 117 (84%) were black and 22 (16%) were white. The army judged 116 of these soldiers, 94 (81%) black and 22 (19%) white. The prosecution used some of the soldiers not tried as witnesses against the defendants. One of the most important revelations is the military identity of rapists.
     
    Disproportionate…….

    To our surprise, the US military justice records reveal that the vast majority of soldiers tried for rape in France were not front-line combatants but rather members of logistical support units, that is to say soldiers who were responsible for supplying front-line soldiers with ammunition, food, gas and spare parts.
     
    Blacks were heavily concentrated in support units during WW2……

    https://www.cairn.info/revue-vingtieme-siecle-revue-d-histoire-2002-3-page-109.htm#
  106. @RickinJax
    Silly. Ike WAS a drag queen. Didn’t you know?

    Silly. Ike WAS a drag queen. Didn’t you know?

    Wasn’t little brother Milton dressed as a girl for quite some time by their parents?

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Wasn’t little brother Milton dressed as a girl for quite some time by their parents?
     
    Wasn't everybody?

    http://www.thinkingcinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/The-Magnificent-Ambersons-Young-George.png
    , @Dr Van Nostrand
    So were Patton ,FDR and pretty much all males of that era. It was oddly the custom for toddler boys and girls to wear the same clothes. The rationale was it was cheaper to buy those clothes in bulk I think. Also pink was considered macho back then.
  107. @PiltdownMan
    Coincidentally, I saw the movie for the first time just last night, and agree with your characterization. The movie is cartoonish and absurd.

    I learned a bit about Turing when I was an undergrad math major in the 1970s and read an article about the breaking of the Enigma code, decades later.

    It looks like the Royal Navy commander, Dennison, depicted in the movie as a buffoon, was a highly skilled cryptanalyst himself, and had an accurate understanding of the broad strategy needed to break the code. He also had a keen sense of the kinds of people he needed, and Turing was only one of them.

    A group of Polish cryptographers had already broken the Enigma code in 1932, and had been hired by Dennison. Turing took on the sub-task of analyzing the German naval (Kreigsmarine) Enigma, which had enhancements built into it, and his innovation, along with Tommy Flowers, was to build a computer to automate the task. US Navy cryptographic bombes (computers) proved to be much faster at the task, and the German naval code was broken.

    The Brits never hired the Poles. Tommy Flowers designed Colossus, first electronic computer, used to break the Lorenz cipher – which was used for high-level communicationns between OKW and army commands. You’re thinking of the 4-rotor Enigma versions used by the Kriegsmarine.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    The Brits never hired the Poles. Tommy Flowers designed Colossus, first electronic computer, used to break the Lorenz cipher – which was used for high-level communicationns between OKW and army commands. You’re thinking of the 4-rotor Enigma versions used by the Kriegsmarine.
     
    I guess that Tommy Flowers is just too hetero to get a movie of his own....
    , @PiltdownMan
    Thanks for the corrections.
  108. @Dr. X

    Maybe I don’t remember much history, but I do know that, judging from this picture, D-Day must have failed, what with the shameful lack of diversity among the generals planning it.
     
    As every grade schooler knows by now, those old racist white crackers would've lost the war if it hadn't been for the Tuskegee Airmen coming to the rescue and single-handedly kicking some racist Nazi ass...

    if it hadn’t been for the Tuskegee Airmen

    I’m just a squeegee from Tuskegee…

  109. @Wilkey

    I’d love a cite for this. It was definitely our Waterloo so I’m always interested in the interested parties.
     
    And I'd love to provide you with one. It may be easy to find on Google. It was in an article I read on Hart-Cellar some time ago. I don't recall who wrote it, but it stuck out. It didn't suggest that Japan had any ulterior motive, or foresaw how family reunification would inflict such massive racial changes on the US so quickly, but it was interesting, nonetheless.

    And one more irony I'd add to my list above: After all that death and mayhem, after tens of millions of European men throwing their young lives away to defend "our countries," we ultimately create an international law, the UN Convention on Refugees, that requires us to surrender our countries to invaders without firing a shot.

    What an insane way to end a war.

    or foresaw how family reunification would inflict such massive racial changes

    Family reunification was added because at the time it favored Europeans, whose relatives were already here, and would thus forestall those changes.

    Problem is, that would only work for a decade or so, till the rest of the world caught up.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    or foresaw how family reunification would inflict such massive racial changes

    Family reunification was added because at the time it favored Europeans, whose relatives were already here, and would thus forestall those changes.

    Problem is, that would only work for a decade or so, till the rest of the world caught up.
     
    Hence the eternal question: Were the people who advocated Family Reunification stupid or lying?Or maybe it was a bit of both.....
  110. @Wilkey

    I’d love a cite for this. It was definitely our Waterloo so I’m always interested in the interested parties.
     
    And I'd love to provide you with one. It may be easy to find on Google. It was in an article I read on Hart-Cellar some time ago. I don't recall who wrote it, but it stuck out. It didn't suggest that Japan had any ulterior motive, or foresaw how family reunification would inflict such massive racial changes on the US so quickly, but it was interesting, nonetheless.

    And one more irony I'd add to my list above: After all that death and mayhem, after tens of millions of European men throwing their young lives away to defend "our countries," we ultimately create an international law, the UN Convention on Refugees, that requires us to surrender our countries to invaders without firing a shot.

    What an insane way to end a war.

    It didn’t suggest that Japan had any ulterior motive, or foresaw how family reunification would inflict such massive racial changes on the US so quickly, but it was interesting, nonetheless.

    I’d be willing to replace all of the Latinx Amerinds and Mestizos in the USA with Japanese…..If anyone’s interested…..

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  111. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Well if you start counting the cars on our roads, the Nips won.

    And if you check out the pictures of Hiroshima/Nagasaki 1945-now versus same for Detroit and Baltimore . . .

  112. @Reg Cæsar

    or foresaw how family reunification would inflict such massive racial changes
     
    Family reunification was added because at the time it favored Europeans, whose relatives were already here, and would thus forestall those changes.

    Problem is, that would only work for a decade or so, till the rest of the world caught up.

    or foresaw how family reunification would inflict such massive racial changes

    Family reunification was added because at the time it favored Europeans, whose relatives were already here, and would thus forestall those changes.

    Problem is, that would only work for a decade or so, till the rest of the world caught up.

    Hence the eternal question: Were the people who advocated Family Reunification stupid or lying?Or maybe it was a bit of both…..

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Were the people who advocated Family Reunification stupid or lying?Or maybe it was a bit of both…..
     
    I go for a third explanation-- sheer desperation.
  113. @International Jew
    The Indo-European Hittites of Anatolia and the Canaanite Hittites were not the same people. The similar names are a coincidence.

    The Indo-Europeans in the Hebrew Bible are the Persians! And probably the Philistines too; they're believed to have arrived by sea around 900BC, and "by sea" suggests Greece or its islands.

    Neo-Hitties state were outliers of the original Hittite Empire, continued to be culturally influenced by the Hittites after the fall of the original Hittite Empire. Inscriptions in Anatolian hieroglyphs continued, some in Luwian. Some dynastic continuity, in the north.

  114. @gcochran
    The Brits never hired the Poles. Tommy Flowers designed Colossus, first electronic computer, used to break the Lorenz cipher - which was used for high-level communicationns between OKW and army commands. You're thinking of the 4-rotor Enigma versions used by the Kriegsmarine.

    The Brits never hired the Poles. Tommy Flowers designed Colossus, first electronic computer, used to break the Lorenz cipher – which was used for high-level communicationns between OKW and army commands. You’re thinking of the 4-rotor Enigma versions used by the Kriegsmarine.

    I guess that Tommy Flowers is just too hetero to get a movie of his own….

  115. @syonredux

    or foresaw how family reunification would inflict such massive racial changes

    Family reunification was added because at the time it favored Europeans, whose relatives were already here, and would thus forestall those changes.

    Problem is, that would only work for a decade or so, till the rest of the world caught up.
     
    Hence the eternal question: Were the people who advocated Family Reunification stupid or lying?Or maybe it was a bit of both.....

    Were the people who advocated Family Reunification stupid or lying?Or maybe it was a bit of both…..

    I go for a third explanation– sheer desperation.

  116. @Reg Cæsar

    Silly. Ike WAS a drag queen. Didn’t you know?
     
    Wasn't little brother Milton dressed as a girl for quite some time by their parents?

    Wasn’t little brother Milton dressed as a girl for quite some time by their parents?

    Wasn’t everybody?

    • Replies: @Jake
    English momism - The Who song 'I'm a Boy' captures it well.
  117. @Colin Wright
    'Diversity in the form of the Tojo..

    Yes, but our Japanese were better than their Japanese...'

    Now, a comic bit here is that the all-Japanese -- and conspicuously heroic -- 442nd Regimental Combat Team was serving in the same theater as the all-black -- and conspicuously cowardly -- 92nd Infantry division. In late 1944, the 92nd enjoyed the dubious distinction of being perhaps the only divisional-size force ever routed by Italians in World War Two -- in this case, a numerically inferior and presumably less-than-elite themselves formation of Mussolini's Italian Social Republic. The blacks broke and ran twenty miles.

    Hmm...well can't bring attention to this. So the 442nd was attached to the 92nd. That way, the 92nd could put a unit into the line that would actually fight.

    Hmm…well can’t bring attention to this. So the 442nd was attached to the 92nd. That way, the 92nd could put a unit into the line that would actually fight.

    During the Clinton Administration they actually commissioned a rewrite of the Army’s official history of the all-black 24th Regiment during the Korean War. The unit repeatedly cut and ran under fire. And eventually had to be disbanded.

    That was hardly inspirational. So the prior history was blamed on racism and rewritten to be suitably heroic.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1996-04-30-9604300190-story,amp.html

  118. @Colin Wright
    'More than a million black Africans fought for Britain and France...'

    More than a million black Africans may have served. Considerably fewer fought.

    I wonder how much fighting Emmett Till’s daddy did.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'I wonder how much fighting Emmett Till’s daddy did.'

    Given his rape and murder conviction, apparently at least one girl resisted.
  119. @Hypnotoad666

    America had Black soldiers.
     
    Like Emmitt Till's dad.

    A soldier during World War II, Louis Till was executed by the U.S. Army in 1945 after being found guilty of murder and rape. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Till
     

    Here’s a French article on rapes committed by US troops during WW2:

    Between June 14, 1944 and June 19, 1945, the US military tried 68 cases of ordinary rape involving 75 victims, of whom 3 (4%) were refugees. 

    A total of 139 soldiers were present at the crime scene – 117 (84%) were black and 22 (16%) were white. The army judged 116 of these soldiers, 94 (81%) black and 22 (19%) white. The prosecution used some of the soldiers not tried as witnesses against the defendants. One of the most important revelations is the military identity of rapists.

    Disproportionate…….

    To our surprise, the US military justice records reveal that the vast majority of soldiers tried for rape in France were not front-line combatants but rather members of logistical support units, that is to say soldiers who were responsible for supplying front-line soldiers with ammunition, food, gas and spare parts.

    Blacks were heavily concentrated in support units during WW2……

    https://www.cairn.info/revue-vingtieme-siecle-revue-d-histoire-2002-3-page-109.htm#

  120. @Hypnotoad666

    America had Black soldiers.
     
    Like Emmitt Till's dad.

    A soldier during World War II, Louis Till was executed by the U.S. Army in 1945 after being found guilty of murder and rape. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Till
     

    Here’s a French article on rapes committed by US troops during WW2:

    Between June 14, 1944 and June 19, 1945, the US military tried 68 cases of ordinary rape involving 75 victims, of whom 3 (4%) were refugees. 

    A total of 139 soldiers were present at the crime scene – 117 (84%) were black and 22 (16%) were white. The army judged 116 of these soldiers, 94 (81%) black and 22 (19%) white. The prosecution used some of the soldiers not tried as witnesses against the defendants. One of the most important revelations is the military identity of rapists.

    Disproportionate…….

    To our surprise, the US military justice records reveal that the vast majority of soldiers tried for rape in France were not front-line combatants but rather members of logistical support units, that is to say soldiers who were responsible for supplying front-line soldiers with ammunition, food, gas and spare parts.

    Blacks were heavily concentrated in support units during WW2……

    https://www.cairn.info/revue-vingtieme-siecle-revue-d-histoire-2002-3-page-109.htm#

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    Let's look at the context.

    From the source...

    "These data are not without defects or limitations. There is good reason to believe that the rapes reported here represent only a fraction of the actual number of rapes committed by American troops during the Liberation. On the one hand, the documents contain only the most brutal cases...It is therefore possible to think that military justice pursued white rapists with less zeal than it applied to punish black rapists. That said, it is impossible to estimate the exact number of rapes committed by American troops in France at the Liberation...

    "Most of the rapes studied were committed between friends, or buddies. The word "buddy" is the American equivalent of the French term "buddy regimen"t. He refers to members of a new society or clique who often form in training camps when newly mobilized soldiers become familiar with their new social environment. The archive contains details on the number of soldiers involved in each rape case. Of the 68 cases that led to a trial, 42 (62%) had a total of 88 rapists. Thirty-five (83%) of these 42 rapes were committed by 73 soldiers. In addition to the rapists, there were also in many cases several accomplices who, without having violated, assisted their "buddies". Depending on the circumstances, these accomplices served as watchmen, warned some people or immobilized the victims. In all, 113 soldiers participated in the 42 rapes indicated above."
  121. Lot says:
    @J1234
    Yeah, Italians were once a "non-white" nationality according the standard leftist selective history that conflates the anecdotal with the general whenever necessary. (A few Americans apparently considered Italians non-white at one time, so that means all Americans did...even though there was no substantive legislation stating such in segregated America.)
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/03/22/sorry-but-the-irish-were-always-white-and-so-were-the-italians-jews-and-so-on/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5fd4c294850b

    Hitler did irritate Mussolini with his strange claims/accusations that Italians were "part African." In truth, if there was ever a group of people that could lay claim to being the "master race" of Europe, it was the Italians.

    “Hitler did irritate Mussolini with his strange claims/accusations that Italians were “part African.” In truth, if there was ever a group of people that could lay claim to being the “master race” of Europe, it was the Italians.”

    This was more the German neo-pagan types that Hitler himself, who said:

    “Why do we call the whole world’s attention to the fact that we have no past? Its bad enough that that the romans were erecting great buildings when our forefathers were still living in mud huts; now Himmler is starting to dig up these villages of mud huts and enthusing over every potshard and stone axe he finds.”

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Hitler praised Mussolini's appearance as a robust alpine type with refined features and borrowed much of Nazi paegentry, parades and style from the Italians. Hitler due to Mussolinis' propaganda had been convinced initally that the Italian army were the hardy ,discipline heirs of the Romans . He found that was not the case the hard way.
    Hitler was also frustrated about Mussolini dragging his feet on the Final Solution. Mussolini like them Jews and had Jewish advisors and followers. Elie Wiesel singled out Mussolini for special praise. Spoke of him in righteous gentile terms.
  122. @Hypnotoad666

    America had Black soldiers.
     
    Like Emmitt Till's dad.

    A soldier during World War II, Louis Till was executed by the U.S. Army in 1945 after being found guilty of murder and rape. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Till
     

    Here’s a French article on rapes committed by US troops during WW2. It’s surprisingly frank on certain matters:

    Between June 14, 1944 and June 19, 1945, the US military tried 68 cases of ordinary rape involving 75 victims, of whom 3 (4%) were refugees. 

    A total of 139 soldiers were present at the crime scene – 117 (84%) were black and 22 (16%) were white. The army judged 116 of these soldiers, 94 (81%) black and 22 (19%) white. The prosecution used some of the soldiers not tried as witnesses against the defendants. One of the most important revelations is the military identity of rapists.

    Disproportionate…….

    To our surprise, the US military justice records reveal that the vast majority of soldiers tried for rape in France were not front-line combatants but rather members of logistical support units, that is to say soldiers who were responsible for supplying front-line soldiers with ammunition, food, gas and spare parts.

    Blacks were heavily concentrated in support units during WW2……

    https://www.cairn.info/revue-vingtieme-siecle-revue-d-histoire-2002-3-page-109.htm#

  123. @Steve Sailer
    Italy had Eritrean Ascari fighting for them in North Africa in WWII.

    Italy had Ethiopian Ascari raping for them in WWII. FIFY

  124. @gcochran
    The Brits never hired the Poles. Tommy Flowers designed Colossus, first electronic computer, used to break the Lorenz cipher - which was used for high-level communicationns between OKW and army commands. You're thinking of the 4-rotor Enigma versions used by the Kriegsmarine.

    Thanks for the corrections.

  125. @syonredux
    Speaking of diversity.....

    David Brooks really wants the Jews to get some of that sweet POC privilege......


    A black friend asked how many black people there are in the Bible. He ran down a list. I wondered how many white people there are in the Bible. I think the answer is zero. Am I wrong?

     

    https://twitter.com/nytdavidbrooks/status/1136463067116523520

    Assuming that Dave is not counting North Africans and Middle Easterners as White, that still leaves us with quite a few Greeks and Italians: Pontius Pilate , Luke, the Roman Centurion whose faith is commended by Jesus, Augustus, Tiberius,Lucius Sergius Paulus, the crowd of Athenians that Paul addresses in ACTS, etc, etc.....

    If I recall correctly, the name ‘Galatians’ referred to a people living in Asia Minor who were likely of a Celtic background. The term ‘Galatian’ was a slur on these people’s nasty pale complexions.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Are these the same Galacians as in Spain who are called Catalans?
    , @syonredux

    If I recall correctly, the name ‘Galatians’ referred to a people living in Asia Minor who were likely of a Celtic background. The term ‘Galatian’ was a slur on these people’s nasty pale complexions.
     
    I don't think that it's a slur:

    Ancient Galatia (/ɡəˈleɪʃə/; Ancient Greek: Γαλατία, Galatía, "Gaul") was an area in the highlands of central Anatolia, roughly corresponding to the provinces of Ankara, Çorum, and Yozgat, in modern Turkey. Galatia was named for the Gauls from Thrace (cf. Tylis), who settled here and became its ruling caste in the 3rd century BC, following the Gallic invasion of the Balkans in 279 BC. It has been called the "Gallia" of the East, Roman writers calling its inhabitants Galli (Gauls or Celts).
     
    Interesting tidbit:

    Although originally possessing a strong cultural identity, by the 2nd century AD, the Galatians had become assimilated (Hellenization) into the Hellenistic civilization of Anatolia.[17] The Galatians were still speaking the Galatian language in the time of St. Jerome (347–420 AD), who wrote that the Galatians of Ancyra and the Treveri of Trier (in what is now the Rhineland) spoke the same language (Comentarii in Epistolam ad Galatos, 2.3, composed c. 387).
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia
  126. @jimmyriddle
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=72vRatoGr6A

    Thanks.

  127. @njguy73

    so what will the weird, frankenstein United States of 2030 even celebrate? nothing. that’s what. a few fluff celebrations of the union army in 1865 to beat over the head any mop up level ‘racists’, a few ‘beat you over the head one last time, nazi sympathizer’ mentions of the ally forces in 1945, and that will be about it.

     

    May The Fourth, Talk Like A Pirate Day, and Pi Day will be federal holidays.

    Columbus Day, Veterans Day, and Presidents Day will not be.

    “Daddy, what day is Diversity Day?”

    “Every day, sweetheart. Every day.”

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    To be fair, Hispanics perform honorably in the services in combat roles. I dont know about blacks.
  128. Jon Snow, of Channel 4 News (UK), spent time interviewing old D-Day vets on the beach yesterday; despite there being a very prominent lack of diversity, he had the good sense to not reprise the “I’ve never seen so many white people in one place line” that he tossed out earlier this year while covering a pro-Brexit rally in London.

  129. Steve, there ya go, you’ve violated the Holy Space of WWII. You know you’re in some serious trouble (LOL).

  130. @Reg Cæsar

    Silly. Ike WAS a drag queen. Didn’t you know?
     
    Wasn't little brother Milton dressed as a girl for quite some time by their parents?

    So were Patton ,FDR and pretty much all males of that era. It was oddly the custom for toddler boys and girls to wear the same clothes. The rationale was it was cheaper to buy those clothes in bulk I think. Also pink was considered macho back then.

  131. @Cagey Beast
    Don't forget that Italy was also part of the Axis. Italians were not considered White until years later, when Alan Alda had appeared on TV for a few hit seasons of MASH.

    Alan Alda is Jewish. And the Italians I met in Germany looked white to me – many of them had blonde hair. Must have been Lombards.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Alan Alda is a WASPified Italian-American. That's why he seems so Jewish.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Icy, My mother's family all from Northern Italy. Her brothers could have past for Poles. My eyes are green, my mother's are grey. My dark hair from my father's side which is Sicilian.
  132. @RickinJax
    Silly. Ike WAS a drag queen. Didn’t you know?

    MONTY liked it FULL

  133. @Old Prude
    Steve, this was too easy. Shooting fish in a barrel. Music, science, technology, philosophy, freedom, liberty and successful human endeavor to secure the advancement there-of. It's all white males except for the outliers (whom modern society obsesses over, in attempt to deny the reality of modern human history). (I can't add making war to the list because diverse folk like Gehngis Kahn have been quite impressive at that savage art, though his aim was not exactly the liberation of Europe).

    And there it is, the forever-denied undeniable and inconvenient facts of history – the evidence of which is borne out in the inventiveness, creativity, abilities, and successes of one particular demographic. Not to mention the fact all those achievements also account for the irrational ressentiment and gnashing of teeth directed at white males by every other demographic.

    Why couldn’t there be just one voice that said, “Thank you, white males, for all the contributions you’ve made for the welfare of all humanity?”

  134. @White Guy In Japan
    Check out Japan's demographics, crime rates and test scores. They won something.

    While you’re at it, notice also their immigration rates and general level of social harmony. Their high standard of living. Their life expectancy. And so on and so on.

  135. @Lot
    Probably a better world, but the counter argument is that Christendom was ripe for invasion from 400-1100AD, and if it hadn’t been the Arabs it would have been a Turkic, Persian, Mongol, etc invasion.

    Well, Zoroastrianism doesn’t sound half bad.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “Well, Zoroastrianism doesn’t sound half bad.”

    The Zoroastrians would disagree and say *exactly* half bad.
  136. I mean, the Allies’ Big Three of Churchill, FDR, and Stalin were lily white …

    Well, the Führer said that the Russians were ‘Asiatic hordes’, so there’s that.

  137. @Anonymous
    The Allies consisted of multiracial empires and polities. While the Axis powers fought to establish monoracial and monoethnic empires and polities like the Greater Germanic Reich and the Great East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. So calling it "Diversity Day" is not necessarily inappropriate.

    Excellent point. The Brits long before, back to the Victorian era, had established the forerunner of Affirmative Action – to uplift the Elites of the many blacks and browns ruled by London WASPs, integrating them more and more with the Brit WASP Elites, while continuing to shit on the vast majority of whites native to the British isles and asserting the inferiority of virtually ‘other’ white Gentiles and their cultures, with bankrolling increasingly by Jews.

    What possibly could go wrong with that? How could that be anything less than the most ideal empire in history? Surely no one could be so crazy as to suggest anything negative could be inherent in that?

  138. @syonredux

    Wasn’t little brother Milton dressed as a girl for quite some time by their parents?
     
    Wasn't everybody?

    http://www.thinkingcinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/The-Magnificent-Ambersons-Young-George.png

    English momism – The Who song ‘I’m a Boy’ captures it well.

  139. @istevefan
    You can also add that the US military was a segregated Jim Crow army. Additionally women who served were put into separate corps such as the WACs.


    PS. Imagine if those men knew that their children, grand children and future descendants were going to become a despised minority in their own lands. I wonder how many of them would still have fought knowing their victory would ultimately lead to something worse than simply losing a war.

    I am sure that our Betters will be informing us all day of the stirring but necessary sacrifices our fathers and grandfathers made at Normandy, Bastogne, Sicily, and Okinawa to ensure the success of Diversity and Gender Fluidity. After all, at the end of the movie “Saving Private Ryan”, Steven Spielberg asserted that the D-Day invasion was necessary to stop the Holocaust. Yup.

  140. @syonredux
    Nobody seems to care about poor Tommy Flowers.....

    Thomas Harold Flowers, BSc, DSc[1], MBE (22 December 1905 – 28 October 1998) was an English engineer with the British Post Office. During World War II, Flowers designed and built Colossus, the world's first programmable electronic computer, to help solve encrypted German messages.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Flowers

    Great point! (And thanks! I didn’t know that.)

  141. @syonredux
    Nobody seems to care about poor Tommy Flowers.....

    Thomas Harold Flowers, BSc, DSc[1], MBE (22 December 1905 – 28 October 1998) was an English engineer with the British Post Office. During World War II, Flowers designed and built Colossus, the world's first programmable electronic computer, to help solve encrypted German messages.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Flowers

    Check wiki for the name Konrad Zuse to see who built the first programmable computer. He probably gave ol’ blue the start in computers after the war.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Lotta guys working on that one...


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytical_Engine#Comparison_to_other_early_computers
  142. FOX News is making a big deal out of the 75th aniversary of D-Day. A lot of talk about the brave men who stormed Omaha beach only to be cut down by machinegun fire before they got out of their boats. Which sounds like a case if bad generalship to me. Americans used to sneer at Douglas Haig for being so profligate with the lives of the men under his command, but I guess – as with all things – when Americans do it, it’s okay. Maybe the invasion planners should have thought that through better. (The other beach landings went off much better).

    Anyway, what struck me was the way all the journos and pundits talked about this historical event. We were fighting “the Nazis”. People were killed by “Nazi soldiers” firing “Nazi machineguns” from emplacements no doubt dug with “Nazi shovels”. Nazi, Nazi, Nazi.

    We used to call them “Germans”. It was governed by the Nazi regime, but the nation we were at war with was Germany. One wonders if the Germans ever referred to “Democratic Soldiers” firing “Democratic machineguns”, given that the U.S. was governed by the Democratic Party.

    The actual generation that fought the war didn’t talk that way, and they didn’t talk that way because they didn’t think that way. FOX’s nazi-talk is a symptom of the cartoonification of history that the modern, stupider, America is prone too.

    • Replies: @Yngvar

    A lot of talk about the brave men who stormed Omaha beach only to be cut down by machinegun fire before they got out of their boats. Which sounds like a case if bad generalship to me.
     
    The first wave was supposed to have supporting tanks with them, but they all sank before they reached the shore.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Mr. Anon, "D-Day" by Stephen Ambrose is a good read. High rates of loss were expected. The landing craft, built by the Higgins Boat Works in New Orleans were plywood. The front ramp was thin steel. I would recommend a visit to the D-Day Museum if you visit New Orleans. My WWII uncles called them Krauts. My dad served in the Pacific against the Japs.
  143. @jcd1974

    the last “good war” in the eyes of the narrative – and they only talk about europe. it’s like japan wasn’t even involved. or china. or north africa. or the philippines. this war only happened in one place. france and germany.
     
    Now everyone's grandfather who served in WWII did so to fight Nazis and none signed up because they just wanted to go kill Japs.

    Now everyone’s grandfather who served in WWII did so to fight Nazis and none signed up because they just wanted to go kill Japs.

    And they all “signed up”. Nobody, apparently, was drafted in WWII.

  144. @istevefan
    Here is an old interview with General Mark Clark, US Fifth Army commander in Italy, on the difference between the homogeneous Germans and his mixed allied forces:

    https://youtu.be/5LTBUtm87rU?t=1479

    The good General seems to imply that Diversity compared to Homogeneity comes up short. The horror!

    • Replies: @istevefan
    The BBC's World at War came out around 1970, twenty-five years after the war. So it included interviews of many of the important participants. It was also a time before PC. Can you imagine a general stating what Clark said in this day and age? He'd be pilloried for even suggesting that diversity is not a strength. But Clark was correct. And he was correct to point out it was not just a diversity of peoples that was a handicap, but a diversity of weapons and supply chain items too.
  145. @Wilkey
    The Indo-Europeans in the Hebrew Bible are the Persians!

    Woops. Of course.

    Never knew there two different peoples referred to as Hittites, but I'l take your word for it.

    Of course the Persians aren't as pasty as the Irish, so there's no way they could qualify as white. It's funny that the SJW crowd thinks that you blacks can have huge variations in skin color but still all qualify as black, but anyone a shade or two darker than your average Icelander suddenly doesn't qualify as white.

    Of course the Persians aren’t as pasty as the Irish, so there’s no way they could qualify as white

    The Persians were only as pasty as the Germans.

  146. WWII : an unmitigated success for the American Empire (as opposed to the American nation) and for the Soviet Union. Everybody else lost, including Great Britain and France.
    Perhaps one of the losers, Japan, might survive its victors, but it’s too early to tell.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    BB753, Well tell us Japan, other than Okinawa, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, how did you do in the war?
  147. Anon[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    The Allies consisted of multiracial empires and polities. While the Axis powers fought to establish monoracial and monoethnic empires and polities like the Greater Germanic Reich and the Great East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. So calling it "Diversity Day" is not necessarily inappropriate.

    The Allies consisted of multiracial empires and polities. While the Axis powers fought to establish monoracial and monoethnic empires and polities like the Greater Germanic Reich and the Great East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. So calling it “Diversity Day” is not necessarily inappropriate.

    Perhaps I lost something in your sentence composition, but I have to ask how it follows that a victory of the multicultural forces on D Day, leading to the post WWII hegemony of diversity, makes it inappropriate to satirize D Day as Diversity Day?

    The Allied powers fought to maintain the sociopolitical slide into the Jewish apocalypse, after which the entire world is supposed to be comprised of a monoethnic empire of Jews with no remaining nations other than Israel. Per the stated ultimate goal in the Jewish texts.

    The Germans named the Jews as the primary enemy for that essential reason.

    As well the reasons found in all of the Jewish machinations that were driving toward their stated ultimate goal: including the destruction of the modern Canaanites, which for Jews is any problematic nation that either culturally, economically, or militarily resists its own dissolution.

  148. @Old Prude
    Steve, this was too easy. Shooting fish in a barrel. Music, science, technology, philosophy, freedom, liberty and successful human endeavor to secure the advancement there-of. It's all white males except for the outliers (whom modern society obsesses over, in attempt to deny the reality of modern human history). (I can't add making war to the list because diverse folk like Gehngis Kahn have been quite impressive at that savage art, though his aim was not exactly the liberation of Europe).

    “It’s all white males…”

    who relied on the contributions of past civilizations–Romans, Greeks, Mesopotamia, and Yangtze River. Remember, you didn’t built that.

    And, Mr. Sailer…

    There was diversity in the planning—Americans (mutts), the English (whose background include Celts, Angles, Saxons, and Romans), and the French (Frankish).

    Moreover, the soldiers on the ground who were involved on D-Day came from different ethnicities and religions. Even blacks got involved in the fracas! The only African American force in battle that day was the 320th Barrage Balloon Battalion. Its job was to set up explosive-rigged balloons to prevent German airplanes from attacking the Allies. Waverly Woodson, Jr. was a medical worker with the battalion. Before his death in 2005, he told The Associated Press in 1994 about how his landing ship hit a mine on the way to Omaha Beach. “The tide brought us in, and that’s when the 88s hit us,” he said of the German 88 millimeter guns. “They were murder. Of our 26 Navy personnel there was only one left. They raked the whole top of the ship and killed all the crew. Then they started with the mortar shells”.

    Perhaps instead of SJW clickbait you could have found some unique pattern that only you are allegedly known for. Of course, perhaps there is a refusal by Mr. Sailer not to NOTICE that the ones who got us involved in World War II were white men.

    Not your best work, Mr. Sailer, especially on an important day in world history.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    “It’s all white males…”

    who relied on the contributions of past civilizations–Romans, Greeks, Mesopotamia, and Yangtze River.
     
    Romans and Greeks are on the Euro-side of the ledger, dear fellow....

    Remember, you didn’t built that.
     
    That's why every European is proud to be the heir of Greece and Rome....


    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/cd/d4/6a/cdd46a8c9abb32e7db81e6bb3938e617--roman-sculpture-art-sculpture.jpg


    https://thebluecurls.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/parthenon-athens-greece-hd-desktop.jpg


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Bust_of_Plato%2C_Vatican_Museum%2C_Rome.jpg

    There was diversity in the planning—Americans (mutts), the English (whose background include Celts, Angles, Saxons, and Romans), and the French (Frankish).
     
    According to the NYTIMES, those people don't count as "diverse."
    , @syonredux

    “It’s all white males…”

    who relied on the contributions of past civilizations–Romans, Greeks, Mesopotamia, and Yangtze River.
     
    Romans and Greeks are on the Euro-side of the ledger, dear fellow....

    Remember, you didn’t built that.
     
    That's why every European is proud to be the heir of Greece and Rome....


    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/cd/d4/6a/cdd46a8c9abb32e7db81e6bb3938e617--roman-sculpture-art-sculpture.jpg


    https://thebluecurls.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/parthenon-athens-greece-hd-desktop.jpg


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Bust_of_Plato%2C_Vatican_Museum%2C_Rome.jpg

    There was diversity in the planning—Americans (mutts), the English (whose background include Celts, Angles, Saxons, and Romans), and the French (Frankish).
     
    According to the NYTIMES, those people don't count as "diverse."
    , @istevefan

    you didn’t built that.
     
    That's a catchy saying to try to take the wind out of someone's sails who is celebrating their heritage. Do you direct this saying at blacks when they celebrate Black History Month? Do you direct it at Hispanics and Jews when they celebrate their respective history months? Or is it just Europeans you wish to belittle?
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Corvi, I will state what I said before...if you served in a combat zone you have my respect.And for every troop on the front lines, IIRC, there were eleven in support.
  149. Anon[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    More than a million black Africans fought for Britain and France. While India provided more than 2.5 million soldiers to Britain. The Soviets had Central Asians, Mongolians, and various others, millions of Communist and Nationalist Chinese were on the side of the Allies, the US of course had black, Indian, and other troops. Moreover, the Axis powers were fighting for less diversity.

    Moreover, the Axis powers were fighting for less diversity.

    That is wrong. The Axis powers were fighting to maintain worldwide diversity, which requires ethnic borders, and the right to national-ethnic self determination that is considered to be a human right.

    Worldwide diversity is maintained by national borders. Caucasoid peoples can not continue to exist in nations in which they do not have relative genetic isolation.

    There will be less diversity than this world has ever known after the impending Jewish apocalypse, especially in the sense of brown people’s existence.

    The result will be a mono-ethnic composition of mostly Armenoid Jews that the Left either outright or implicitly endorses because the Jews were able to use various psychopathic methods to trigger some type of mass mothering instinct toward them at the expense of the self determination and even existence of all other peoples.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    This is a critical point not yet effectively conveyed to the public at large (who are very stupid!).

    The current thinking is that "diversity" involves having lots of different things together, with no appreciation that, when those things are animals producing fertile offspring, they must actually be kept apart, for the most part, else it is very soon impossible to have lots of different kinds – together, apart, or at all. Crucially, the process of commingling and destruction of diversity is irreversible.

    Slather all the diverse colours of paint on a carefully prepared palette together, and shit-brown is all that remains. You'll never again extract crimson or azure from the mess. Throw one of each breed of dog into a fenced preserve, return in a hundred years, and hundreds of mutts are all that will remain.

    This principle applies bot only to biology, but also to culture, language, etc. – as can be seen by the nascent hegemony of GloboHomo, rootless, consumerist, hedonist, atheist kind of Ice-Nine consuming all else.

    Most people do not understand, never mind appreciate, this concept, and no one of note is working to make it understood.

    Not good.
  150. Well, I went to public school, so the only thing I know about WW II is that it all started when we interned the Japanese Americans in concentration camps, and it ended when the Tuskegee Airmen killed Hitler.

    Am I wrong?

    • Replies: @RickinJax
    Dumbass. It started when the Jair dropped a nuke on Pearl Harbor.
    Just ask Obama’s pastor.
  151. @syonredux
    Here’s a French article on rapes committed by US troops during WW2:

    Between June 14, 1944 and June 19, 1945, the US military tried 68 cases of ordinary rape involving 75 victims, of whom 3 (4%) were refugees. 

    A total of 139 soldiers were present at the crime scene – 117 (84%) were black and 22 (16%) were white. The army judged 116 of these soldiers, 94 (81%) black and 22 (19%) white. The prosecution used some of the soldiers not tried as witnesses against the defendants. One of the most important revelations is the military identity of rapists.
     
    Disproportionate…….

    To our surprise, the US military justice records reveal that the vast majority of soldiers tried for rape in France were not front-line combatants but rather members of logistical support units, that is to say soldiers who were responsible for supplying front-line soldiers with ammunition, food, gas and spare parts.
     
    Blacks were heavily concentrated in support units during WW2……

    https://www.cairn.info/revue-vingtieme-siecle-revue-d-histoire-2002-3-page-109.htm#

    Let’s look at the context.

    From the source…

    “These data are not without defects or limitations. There is good reason to believe that the rapes reported here represent only a fraction of the actual number of rapes committed by American troops during the Liberation. On the one hand, the documents contain only the most brutal cases…It is therefore possible to think that military justice pursued white rapists with less zeal than it applied to punish black rapists. That said, it is impossible to estimate the exact number of rapes committed by American troops in France at the Liberation…

    “Most of the rapes studied were committed between friends, or buddies. The word “buddy” is the American equivalent of the French term “buddy regimen”t. He refers to members of a new society or clique who often form in training camps when newly mobilized soldiers become familiar with their new social environment. The archive contains details on the number of soldiers involved in each rape case. Of the 68 cases that led to a trial, 42 (62%) had a total of 88 rapists. Thirty-five (83%) of these 42 rapes were committed by 73 soldiers. In addition to the rapists, there were also in many cases several accomplices who, without having violated, assisted their “buddies”. Depending on the circumstances, these accomplices served as watchmen, warned some people or immobilized the victims. In all, 113 soldiers participated in the 42 rapes indicated above.”

    • Replies: @syonredux

    These data are not without defects or limitations. There is good reason to believe that the rapes reported here represent only a fraction of the actual number of rapes committed by American troops during the Liberation. On the one hand, the documents contain only the most brutal cases
     
    I'm quite sure that lots of Black rapists got away with it...

    …It is therefore possible to think that military justice pursued white rapists with less zeal than it applied to punish black rapists. That said, it is impossible to estimate the exact number of rapes committed by American troops in France at the Liberation…
     
    Hey, when one group is committing a disproportionate number of rapes, extra zeal might be needed....

    Speaking of Black depravity....

    “The serial sexual murder of elderly females appears to be particularly an interracial affair, although such murders only account
    for 2% to 3% of all homicides (Safarik, Jarvis, & Nussbaum, 2000).
    Safarik, Jarvis, and Nussbaum (2000) found that Black offenders
    killed 82% of the White elderly female victims of sexual homicide
    (no elderly Black females were victimized by Whites). The rarity
    of such crimes limited this study to 33 victims, but, focusing on
    128 nonserial sexual homicides of elderly female victims, the
    same researchers found that Blacks offended against Whites in
    77% of the cases (Safarik, Jarvis, & Nussbaum, 2002).”
     
    https://studysites.sagepub.com/gabbidonstudy/articles/Walsh.pdf
    , @syonredux

    As
    Figure 18 shows, between 2001 and 2003, blacks
    were 39 times more likely to commit violent crimes
    against whites than the reverse, and 136 times more
    likely to commit robbery.40 There were an average
    of 15,400 black-on-white rapes every year during
    this period, 139,000 robberies, 489,000 assaults, and
    12,762 sexual assaults. By contrast, there were only
    900 “white”-on-black rapes every year, 7,600 robberies, 101,000 assaults, and 3,217 sexual assaults.

    Of all 768,879 violent interracial crimes involving
    blacks and whites, blacks committed 85 percent and
    “whites” 15 percent.
     
    http://2kpcwh2r7phz1nq4jj237m22.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/2005-Color-of-Crime-Report.pdf

    The Katsuyama killing incident in 1945 was a killing of three African American Marines by Okinawans from the Katsuyama village near Nago, Okinawa, after the Battle of Okinawa, shortly before the end of the war in the Pacific. Many years later some of the villagers confessed that every weekend three black United States Marines had allegedly been visiting the village around that time and every time they violently took the village women into the hills with them and raped them. When the Marines started to confidently carry out their weekly ritual unarmed, the villagers reportedly overwhelmed the men one time and killed all three.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_Katsuyama_killing_incident

    The 1995 Okinawa rape incident took place on September 4, 1995, when three U.S. servicemen – U.S. Navy Seaman Marcus Gill and U.S. Marines Rodrico Harp and Kendrick Ledet, who were all serving at Camp Hansen on Okinawa – rented a van and kidnapped a 12-year-old Okinawan girl. They beat her, duct-taped her eyes and mouth shut, and bound her hands. Gill and Harp then raped her, while Ledet claimed he only pretended to do so out of fear of Gill.[
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident


    http://www.phoenixism.net/wp-content/uploads/1995.jpg
  152. ” . . . And They All Lived Happily Ever After“.

    That’s my title for a documentary film that a really daring producer ought to bankroll, and a likewise gutsy and creative director ought to put together. Of course, they’d never work again, but, hey—

    Opening scenes of WWII and surrender signings. Cut to Mom appearing as if reading from a book about WWII reassuring young son that the winners all “lived happily ever after”. Cut to the tumult of the last half-century or so in the States and elsewhere in the West, with a strong but not too provocative voiceover that asks after a few minutes, “What went wrong?”

  153. @Wilkey

    A few Americans apparently considered Italians non-white at one time, so that means all Americans did…even though there was no substantive legislation stating such in segregated America.
     
    Italy has had an enormous influence on Western Civilization for centuries, from the Roman Era to the Renaissance to the ideas that helped inspire the Constitution. Italy was the unquestioned seat of Western Christianity until the 16th Century. Yes they had a few cultural traits that stood out in a country that was overwhelmingly Northern European when they started to arrive, but it's ridiculous for anyone to claim that Italians were ever thought of as anything but white.

    “Yes they had a few cultural traits that stood out in a country that was overwhelmingly Northern European when they started to arrive, but it’s ridiculous for anyone to claim that Italians were ever thought of as anything but white.”

    Not being considered white led to new immigrant misery. Economist Robert F. Forester wrote in 1924, “in a country where the distinction between white man and black is intended as a distinction of value … it is no compliment to the Italian to deny him his whiteness, but that actually happens with considerable frequency.”

    In “Italian Americans as a Cognizable Racial Group,” New York State Supreme Court Justice Dominic R. Massaro surveys recent court decisions which have established Italian Americans as a racial group subject to protection by New York law, especially in cases of Affirmative Action. As a result of this protection, the first chair of Italian American Studies was awarded to the John D.
    Calandra Institute in a discrimination lawsuit against the City University of New York system. The decision in favor of the plaintiff in “Scelsa v. the City University of New York” solidified the position of Italian Americans as “in between people”, as people capable of substantiating discrimination claims, at least in the state of New York.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Corvi, glad you posted this. NJguy questioned whether there was actually sanctioned discrimination against Italians.
  154. @syonredux
    Speaking of diversity.....

    David Brooks really wants the Jews to get some of that sweet POC privilege......


    A black friend asked how many black people there are in the Bible. He ran down a list. I wondered how many white people there are in the Bible. I think the answer is zero. Am I wrong?

     

    https://twitter.com/nytdavidbrooks/status/1136463067116523520

    Assuming that Dave is not counting North Africans and Middle Easterners as White, that still leaves us with quite a few Greeks and Italians: Pontius Pilate , Luke, the Roman Centurion whose faith is commended by Jesus, Augustus, Tiberius,Lucius Sergius Paulus, the crowd of Athenians that Paul addresses in ACTS, etc, etc.....

    David Brooks is absolutely correct. People at that time did not specifically designate themselves as being “white” or “black”.

    Would Jesus have cared if his followers were from a different race? How about God?

    Per usual, you require a history lesson. The “new immigrants” which came to our nation from 1880-1920 represented a frightening diversity to nativists. The difference perceived in these immigrants was frequently described as a racial difference in which Europeans were represented “races” identified by region (e.g. Alpine, Mediterranean, Slavic, Nordic). Madison Grant explained in his book “The Passing of the Great Race” that White Americans, the “great race”, were losing out to hordes of inferior European immigrants.

    According to Grant, “These new immigrants were no longer exclusively members of the Nordic race as were the earlier ones…The transportation lines advertised America as a land flowing with milk and honey and the European governments took the opportunity to unload upon careless, wealthy and hospitable America the sweepings of their jails and asylums…Our jails, insane asylums and almshouses are filled with this human flotsam and the whole tone of American life, social, moral and political has been lowered and vulgarized by them.”

    So much for white unity…

    • Replies: @syonredux

    David Brooks is absolutely correct. People at that time did not specifically designate themselves as being “white” or “black”.
     
    Don't be a goon.Here’s Black Classicist Frank Snowden on the topic of race in antiquity:

    Greeks and Romans, well acquainted with their contemporaries, differentiated between the various gradations of color in Mediterranean populations and made it clear that only some of the black- or dark-skinned peoples, those coming from the south of Egypt and the southern fringes of northwest Africa, were Ethiopians, i.e. Negroes. Ethiopians, known as the blackest peoples on earth, became the yardstick by which classical authors measured the color of others. In first century AD, Manilius described Ethiopians as the blackest; Indians, less sunburnt; Egyptians, mildly dark; with Moors the lightest in this color scheme. In other words, to all these peoples–Ethiopians, Indians, Egyptians, and Moors–who were darker than the Greeks and Romans, classical authors applied color-words but it should be emphasized that in general the ancients described only one of these–Ethiopians–as unmistakably Negroid.
     

    The assumption that a majority of the inhabitants of north Africa such as Numidians, Gaetulians, and Moors, were blacks, is also contradicted by the ancient evidence. Classical accounts clearly distinguish between the light-skinned inhabitants of coastal northwest Africa and the darker Ethiopians who lived on the southern fringes of the area. The ancient sources also point to the presence in northwest Africa of mixed black-white types, strongly suggested by names such as Libyoaethiopes (Libyan Ethiopians), Leucoaethiopes (white Ethiopians) and Melanogeatuli (black Gaetulians), a kind of intermediate population, an amalgam of whites and Ethiopians, and by the descriptions of the Garamantes, classified in some classical texts as Ethiopians but distinguished from Ethiopians by others. [15] Classical accounts of the physical features of northwest Africans are amply confirmed by the iconographical evidence. Mosaics, sculpture in the round, and other art objects from northwest Africa depict the inhabitants as predominantly white and portray relatively few blacks,
     
    And here are two Greek writers engaging in a bit of racial comparison:

    Arrian (Indica 6.9)

    The appearance of the inhabitants is also not very different in India and Ethiopia: the southern Indians are rather more like Ethiopians as they are black to look on, and their hair is black; only they are not so snub-nosed or woolly-haired as the Ethiopians; the northern Indians are most like the Egyptians physically.
     
    Strabo Geography 15.1.13

    As for the people of India, those in the south are like the Aethiopians in color, although they are like the rest in respect to countenance and hair (for on account of the humidity of the air their hair does not curl), whereas those in the north are like the Egyptians.
     
    And still more:

    It was a market place to which the Ethiopians bring all the products of their country; and the Egyptians in their turn take them all away and bring to the same spot their own wares of equal value, so bartering what they have got for what they have not. Now the inhabitants of the marches (Nubian/Egyptians border) are not yet fully black but are half-breeds in matter of color, for they are partly not so black as the Ethiopians, yet partly more so than the Egyptians.
     
    Flavius Philostratus: c.170 to c.247,

    The Ethiopians stain the world and depict a race of men steeped in darkness; less sun-burnt are the natives of India; the land of Egypt, flooded by the Nile, darkens bodies more mildly owing to the inundation of its fields: it it a country nearer to us and its moderate climate imparts a medium tone.
     
    – Manilius, Astronomica 4.724

    Would Jesus have cared if his followers were from a different race?
     
    Depends on the passage, dear fellow. In some, he's quite interested in the division between Jew and non-Jew...

    How about God?
     
    Well, he did did display quite a bit of favoritism towards one group....

    Per usual, you require a history lesson. The “new immigrants” which came to our nation from 1880-1920 represented a frightening diversity to nativists. The difference perceived in these immigrants was frequently described as a racial difference in which Europeans were represented “races” identified by region (e.g. Alpine, Mediterranean, Slavic, Nordic). Madison Grant explained in his book “The Passing of the Great Race” that White Americans, the “great race”, were losing out to hordes of inferior European immigrants.
     
    Good thing that I don't base my arguments on the beliefs of Madison Grant....
    , @istevefan

    Would Jesus have cared if his followers were from a different race? How about God?
     
    Jesus, no. But God, that's a different story. In the Old Testament God appears somewhat prejudiced against the non Jews. So much so that on a few occasions he punishes the Jews for not slaughtering everybody in a city that he designated for them to smote.
    , @istevefan

    So much for white unity…
     
    Actually there is something to it. Which is why the people on your side of the aisle are in such a tizzy over so called White nationalism and White identity. If there were no chance for such unity, no one would pay attention to these new movements. But because the notion of a somewhat unified White voting bloc scares the hell out them, they are tying to pounce before the movement gets off the ground.

    What American history has shown is that the peoples of Europe, though different in culture, customs and language, can relatively quickly be brought together once they've adopted a common language and customs. It's actually very remarkable that so many ethnic Europeans, who had been in conflict for centuries, were able in a few generations to live side by side in the USA.

    Contrast this to the experience of Africans. Though they have been present here for 400 years, they have yet to fully assimilate or be accepted by their fellow citizens.

    The fact that you point out how low some Europeans were regarded when they arrived, and how quickly they were accepted, only goes to show how close Europeans really are. As opposed to blacks and other non-whites who still think of themselves as outsiders generations after having come here.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    ...were losing out to hordes of inferior European immigrants.
     
    ...were losing out to hordes of [underpriced] European immigrants.

    Fixed it. That's what it is all about, then and now.

    Except now they're underunderpriced, and rarely European.
  155. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    I wonder how much fighting Emmett Till's daddy did.

    ‘I wonder how much fighting Emmett Till’s daddy did.’

    Given his rape and murder conviction, apparently at least one girl resisted.

  156. @David Davenport
    in the movie Patton, the general had black aide does this count?

    Aide? That was Patton's valet. The Patton movie made no mention of ole George's twenty-something nurse, whose role was similar to that of Ike's chauffeur.

    I read in Bob Woodward’s book that Petraeus performance as valet to a high ranking general put in the position of top general in Iraq in 2007. A lot of military industrial complex appointment are a combination of merit and schmoozing.
    Dont remember if the book was Obama’s Wars or The War Within

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    This is pretty typical on the corporate side as well.

    You should see the flotsam and jetsam accumulating at the top levels of my firm.
  157. @Mr McKenna
    "Daddy, what day is Diversity Day?"

    "Every day, sweetheart. Every day."

    To be fair, Hispanics perform honorably in the services in combat roles. I dont know about blacks.

  158. @International Jew
    The Indo-European Hittites of Anatolia and the Canaanite Hittites were not the same people. The similar names are a coincidence.

    The Indo-Europeans in the Hebrew Bible are the Persians! And probably the Philistines too; they're believed to have arrived by sea around 900BC, and "by sea" suggests Greece or its islands.

    I read a commentary on Kings I and II which I think dealt with the randy King David who seduced Bathsheba who was the wife of Uriah the Hittite. Back then Hittite were often used as mercenaries due to their familiarity with iron and superior cavalry but after a while, the word Hittite became a synonymn for any accomplished man at arms who had military resources at his disposal. In India, the first regiment to train,shoot and march in European military formation and discipline were Telugus of southern India who were trained by the French. This was the Telengana or Tilanga regiment. In rest of the country therefore Tilanga became synonym for soldiers even if they werent ethnically Telugu.

    Uriah the “Hittite” therefore was most likely Hebrew. Uriah and Bathsheba are both Hebrew names with no evidence of being Hebraized from another culture.

  159. @The Last Real Calvinist
    If I recall correctly, the name 'Galatians' referred to a people living in Asia Minor who were likely of a Celtic background. The term 'Galatian' was a slur on these people's nasty pale complexions.

    Are these the same Galacians as in Spain who are called Catalans?

  160. @syonredux

    A black friend asked how many black people there are in the Bible. He ran down a list. I wondered how many white people there are in the Bible. I think the answer is zero. Am I wrong?
     
    Yes. For the reasons why, see above (lots of Greeks and Italians). Now, if you want a genuine complete absence, try this: There are no Amerinds in the Bible. There are also no Australian Aborigines or East Asians.

    There are no Amerinds in the Bible

    Mitt Romney and his coreligionists disagree.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    There are no Amerinds in the Bible

    Mitt Romney and his coreligionists disagree.
     
    Book of Mormon isn't the Bible
    , @International Jew
    And so do I. I'd love to get in on the Indian casino racket.
  161. @Lot
    “Hitler did irritate Mussolini with his strange claims/accusations that Italians were “part African.” In truth, if there was ever a group of people that could lay claim to being the “master race” of Europe, it was the Italians.”

    This was more the German neo-pagan types that Hitler himself, who said:

    “Why do we call the whole world’s attention to the fact that we have no past? Its bad enough that that the romans were erecting great buildings when our forefathers were still living in mud huts; now Himmler is starting to dig up these villages of mud huts and enthusing over every potshard and stone axe he finds.”

    Hitler praised Mussolini’s appearance as a robust alpine type with refined features and borrowed much of Nazi paegentry, parades and style from the Italians. Hitler due to Mussolinis’ propaganda had been convinced initally that the Italian army were the hardy ,discipline heirs of the Romans . He found that was not the case the hard way.
    Hitler was also frustrated about Mussolini dragging his feet on the Final Solution. Mussolini like them Jews and had Jewish advisors and followers. Elie Wiesel singled out Mussolini for special praise. Spoke of him in righteous gentile terms.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Mussolini like them Jews and had Jewish advisors and followers.
     
    The Japanese didn't appreciate being told what to do with the Jews in their realm, either.


    There can be little doubt for whom Benito Garozzo was named in 1927. Bridge nut Michael Ledeen used benito in his e-mail address. I'd be surprised if power shufflers Bill Gates and Warren Buffett don't know him, too.
    , @petit bourgeois
    No one ever talks about the fact that Il Duce was married to a Jew.
    , @Lot
    Well the Ashkenazi are 50-55% Italian ancestry, so compadres of Benito.

    Interestingly “Italian Jews” are a thing that are separate from both AJs and Italian Sephardi, though they barely exist in pure form anymore.
  162. @The Wild Geese Howard

    The Byzantine Empire “won” against the Persians in the early 600s, only to be so weakened, they lost to the Arabs. And lost their lands forever.
     
    Sometimes I like to daydream about the beautiful world we would live in today if the Byzantines had crushed the Arabs to dust in the late 600s. There would be no Muslim problem, anywhere.

    I prefer my regrets closer in time:

    The West had all of North Africa, and the whole of the Levant and a good bit of the Persian Gulf and could have had Constantinople – all before and right after WW1. North Africa, the Gulf and the Levant had virtually no population in those days. They could have all been restored to Christendom easily enough. The Turks had destroyed the Armenians! Instead gay Arabists from the British foreign office, dreaming of their Arab Sheikhs, turned all over to wandering tribes who had no more claim to those lands than a farmer from Cornwall. At least the Jews got hold of Palestine. Otherwise what a waste.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    Do you really want me to launch into my diatribe about how the US and UK should have colonized the Ghawar field and all nearby deposits from 1945-48?

    Hell, Western expats outnumber the natives 10 or 12 to 1 in UAE and Qatar. If the political will existed those places could be part of the West in about a week.
  163. @Wilkey
    The Indo-Europeans in the Hebrew Bible are the Persians!

    Woops. Of course.

    Never knew there two different peoples referred to as Hittites, but I'l take your word for it.

    Of course the Persians aren't as pasty as the Irish, so there's no way they could qualify as white. It's funny that the SJW crowd thinks that you blacks can have huge variations in skin color but still all qualify as black, but anyone a shade or two darker than your average Icelander suddenly doesn't qualify as white.

    I have seen blonde blue eyed Persians but most of this lot is from the Caspian Sea who may been descended from Scythians or some other folk who had been Persianized in the medieval era. From the freezes of Persepolis etc, Persians dont seem all that different from dark Caucasian Assyrians.
    But Persians are real touchy about being real Aryans and present their blondes up front as proof. A good chunk of their population from the Persian Gulf area especially(whence most of their empires originated) can be as dark as any south Indian though with more acquiline features.

  164. @Lorenzo St. DuBois
    The German army in WW2, especially in later years, was very diverse. Indian troops were at Normandy. This "aided" the Axis defense ;)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Legion

    Indian troops performed their duties honorably whether on the Axis or the Allied side. Your ignorant snideness wont change that reality.

  165. @PiltdownMan
    Sophia Loren starred in a famous—but kinda grim—1960 film about the Marocchinate. Just pointing out the connection between two of your posts above.

    https://youtu.be/8TjtOepMYNs

    The French were to blame for this travesty. Just as much of increased diversity is the result of intra white squabbling -WASPs letting blacks loose on Scots Irish or altruism gone retarded -Scandinavian Lutherans bringing in Somalia in Minnesota and Stockholm. But by all means blame Jews if it makes you feel better. To be sure, there are lot of vile leftist Jews in the media, academia ,entertainment and government but they just take cues from SJW elites who are overwhelmingly WASPish from the progressive 1910s era to the hippies to the antifas today.

  166. RH says:

    You are getting a little sloppy, Steve. There are not only generals in the photo, but two air marshals (RAF) and an admiral, although I cannot tell which navy he is a member of. Also, although Overlord was a success, there were plenty of monumental fiascos connected with it, unfortunately.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    There are not only generals in the photo, but two air marshals (RAF) and an admiral, although I cannot tell which navy he is a member of.
     
    Admiral Sir Bertram Ramsey, Royal Navy. He died in a plane crash in January 1945.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertram_Ramsay

  167. When today’s youth of the Left take over in the U.S. and U.K. they will dig up the bones of every one of the men in that photograph and toss those bones into the sea, starting with Eisenhower, of whom they who know nothing of Operation Overlord will say that he was responsible for Operation Wetback.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Little do they know that Cesar Chavez gave Operation Wetback and similar schemes an enthusiastic thumbs up.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    They'd have to stick to Blighty-based cemeteries. Digging up anything on that proximate bit of the Continent is a bit fraught. Might go kaboom. Ask any North French or Belgian farmer.
  168. @syonredux
    Speaking of diversity.....

    David Brooks really wants the Jews to get some of that sweet POC privilege......


    A black friend asked how many black people there are in the Bible. He ran down a list. I wondered how many white people there are in the Bible. I think the answer is zero. Am I wrong?

     

    https://twitter.com/nytdavidbrooks/status/1136463067116523520

    Assuming that Dave is not counting North Africans and Middle Easterners as White, that still leaves us with quite a few Greeks and Italians: Pontius Pilate , Luke, the Roman Centurion whose faith is commended by Jesus, Augustus, Tiberius,Lucius Sergius Paulus, the crowd of Athenians that Paul addresses in ACTS, etc, etc.....

    Philistines were a pale and tall people – a mix of Sea Peoples and Minoans. King David was a ginger.

  169. @Wilkey

    Pontius Pilate , Luke, the Roman Centurion whose faith is commended by Jesus, Augustus, Tiberius,Lucius Sergius Paulus, the crowd of Athenians that Paul addresses in ACTS, etc, etc…..

     

    I can only assume that the Bible that Brooks is referencing does not include any of those individuals because it's missing a few books. Davis mostly prefers the books that call his people the chosen ones where God urges them to commit the occasional genocide and sometimes even does it for them.

    However the Hittites (such as Uriah the Hittite, the guy effectively murdered by King David in order to steal his wife) might qualify as white. They entered Anatolia from points north and spoke an Indo-European language and probably were descended from the Yamnaya.

    In the “old book” you have Antiochus IV Epiphanes and general Nicanor( a descendent of Seleukus Nicator who undid Alexanders conquests in India) . The defeat of these guys is the basis of Hannukah. Found in the first and second Maccabees. Though Antiochus was most likely a Hellenized Syrian.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Though Antiochus was most likely a Hellenized Syrian.
     
    Dunno. I just glanced over the Seleucid Dynasty, and the only non-Greek blood that I noticed was Persian (Apama, the mother of Antiochus I Soter , was Sogdian).
  170. @syonredux

    Pontius Pilate , Luke, the Roman Centurion whose faith is commended by Jesus, Augustus, Tiberius,Lucius Sergius Paulus, the crowd of Athenians that Paul addresses in ACTS, etc, etc…..

    I can only assume that the Bible that Brooks is referencing does not include any of those individuals because it’s missing a few books. Davis mostly prefers the books that call his people the chosen ones where God urges them to commit the occasional genocide and sometimes even does it for them.
     
    Excluding the NT, you've still got, for example, references to Alexander the Great and to Antiochus IV Epiphanes in the Book of Daniel.....

    Antiochus references inthe Book of Daniel were placed by pious scribes in around 167BC. The core text composed in the Babylonian era did not contain these though the rich imagery of a golden head, iron body(Greeks associated with iron) and feet of clay was used in exegates by many.

  171. @Colin Wright
    'Diversity in the form of the Tojo..

    Yes, but our Japanese were better than their Japanese...'

    Now, a comic bit here is that the all-Japanese -- and conspicuously heroic -- 442nd Regimental Combat Team was serving in the same theater as the all-black -- and conspicuously cowardly -- 92nd Infantry division. In late 1944, the 92nd enjoyed the dubious distinction of being perhaps the only divisional-size force ever routed by Italians in World War Two -- in this case, a numerically inferior and presumably less-than-elite themselves formation of Mussolini's Italian Social Republic. The blacks broke and ran twenty miles.

    Hmm...well can't bring attention to this. So the 442nd was attached to the 92nd. That way, the 92nd could put a unit into the line that would actually fight.

    Japanese/Japanese Americans were a disciplined peoples and that counts for a lot in combat.Similarly Germans and German Americans outperformed their contemporaries. Italian Americans were heirs to notions of honor, a work ethic and the rigor and training of WASP/German American U.S war machine and hence fared a lot better than the chaotic Italians

    Blacks lacking any of these customs and being rather diffident due to their social status failed to live up. This is understandable. While they continue to have problems with discipline(over represented in Okinawa rapes) ,from what I know from my dealings with military and private contractors.On average, they perform adequately and perhaps ably but not a lot more ,not less either.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Blacks lacking any of these customs and being rather diffident due to their social status failed to live up. This is understandable. While they continue to have problems with discipline(over represented in Okinawa rapes)
     
    Indeed:

    The Katsuyama killing incident in 1945 was a killing of three African American Marines by Okinawans from the Katsuyama village near Nago, Okinawa, after the Battle of Okinawa, shortly before the end of the war in the Pacific. Many years later some of the villagers confessed that every weekend three black United States Marines had allegedly been visiting the village around that time and every time they violently took the village women into the hills with them and raped them. When the Marines started to confidently carry out their weekly ritual unarmed, the villagers reportedly overwhelmed the men one time and killed all three. Their bodies were hidden in the nearby cave out of fear for retaliation against the village, a village secret until 1997.[1] Since the killings, locals have called the cave "Kuronbō Gama",[2] which translates to the "Cave of The Dark-Skinned Boys".[3]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_Katsuyama_killing_incident
  172. @syonredux

    The 442nd Infantry Regiment is an infantry regiment of the United States Army and is the only infantry formation in the Army Reserve. The regiment is best known for its history as a fighting unit composed almost entirely of second-generation American soldiers of Japanese ancestry (Nisei) who fought in World War II. Beginning in 1944, the regiment fought primarily in the European Theatre,[3] in particular Italy, southern France, and Germany. Many of the soldiers had families in internment camps while they fought abroad.[4] The unit's motto was "Go for Broke".
     

    The 442nd Regiment is the most decorated unit in U.S. military history.[5] Created as the 442nd Regimental Combat Team when it was activated February 1, 1943, the unit quickly grew to its fighting complement of 4,000 men by April 1943, and an eventual total of about 14,000 men served overall. The unit earned more than 18,000 awards in less than two years, including 9,486 Purple Hearts and 4,000 Bronze Star Medals. The unit was awarded eight Presidential Unit Citations (five earned in one month).[6]:201 Twenty-one of its members were awarded Medals of Honor.[3] In 2010, the Congressional Gold Medal was awarded to the 442nd Regimental Combat Team and associated units who served during World War II,[7] and in 2012, all surviving members were made chevaliers of the French Légion d'Honneur for their actions contributing to the liberation of France and their heroic rescue of the Lost Battalion.[8]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)

    Two words: Daniel. Inouye.

  173. @syonredux
    Speaking of diversity.....

    David Brooks really wants the Jews to get some of that sweet POC privilege......


    A black friend asked how many black people there are in the Bible. He ran down a list. I wondered how many white people there are in the Bible. I think the answer is zero. Am I wrong?

     

    https://twitter.com/nytdavidbrooks/status/1136463067116523520

    Assuming that Dave is not counting North Africans and Middle Easterners as White, that still leaves us with quite a few Greeks and Italians: Pontius Pilate , Luke, the Roman Centurion whose faith is commended by Jesus, Augustus, Tiberius,Lucius Sergius Paulus, the crowd of Athenians that Paul addresses in ACTS, etc, etc.....

    Well since the Bible states that Noah had three children, Ham, Shem and Japeth, and the Europeans are descended from Mr. Japeth, we have to assume that Mr. Japeth was white. Haven Monahan Japeth

  174. Anonymous[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    To be fair, the Soviets had some diversity in the Red Army, including Central Asian nationalities.

    Who were notoriously badly-behaved. Much of the ‘Russian’ raping and looting that went on in the wake of the Red Army was carried out by these guys.

    • Agree: syonredux
  175. @Anon
    The Allies were much more multiethnic.

    America had Black soldiers.

    France made use of North Africans.

    Britain used Indians.

    China fought on the Allied site.

    Jews were Pro-Ally.

    Japanese were disadvantaged by having half of America's population, HIGHLY limited resources, and only a small number of allies. Also, no smart&creative Jewish scientists to create the Atomic bomb for them.

    If Japan had what America had, the war may have gone differently.

    Anon, if Japan had what America had, they wouldn’t have been ranging all over Asia and the Pacific to colonize for resources.

  176. @Twinkie

    Diversity in the form of the Tojo..
     
    Yes, but our Japanese were better than their Japanese:
    https://youtu.be/Eqm1HC8CQlg

    Twink, shouldn’t that be “Go for Bloke?”

  177. @njguy73

    Don’t forget that Italy was also part of the Axis. Italians were not considered White until years later, when Alan Alda had appeared on TV for a few hit seasons of MASH.

     

    Yes, I remember reading about how Tony Lazzeri, Joe DiMaggio, and Frankie Crosetti were barred from major league baseball and could only play in the Catholic League.

    Oh, wait, you're being facetious as well.

    Sorry. Any time I see "Italians/Irish/Jews weren't considered white," I go into "You're a real special kind of stupid, aren't you?" mode.

    Irony doesn't work as well as it used to, because irony depends on people being able to comprehend truth. We live in an age where irony and stupidity have become indistinguishable.

    njguy, DiMaggio’s father had his fishing boat confiscated in WWII because he was Italian. Read “Five Points” by Tyler Anbinder or “An Unlikely Union” by Paul Moses for an accurate account of Irish and Italian acceptance as immigrants in the US.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    I didn't write that the Irish or Italians didn't face discrimination of any kind. I wrote that they weren't subject to Jim Crow.
    , @Cagey Beast

    ... Irish and Italian acceptance as immigrants in the US.
     
    Maybe the fresh off the boat Italians and Irish were often not accepted because they weren't very acceptable? Maybe they had a lot of rough edges and bad attitudes? Maybe one reason immigrant communities got better treatment later on was because their own behaviour improved? That part of the equation is almost always left out.
  178. @Dr Van Nostrand
    I read in Bob Woodward's book that Petraeus performance as valet to a high ranking general put in the position of top general in Iraq in 2007. A lot of military industrial complex appointment are a combination of merit and schmoozing.
    Dont remember if the book was Obama's Wars or The War Within

    This is pretty typical on the corporate side as well.

    You should see the flotsam and jetsam accumulating at the top levels of my firm.

  179. @The Last Real Calvinist
    If I recall correctly, the name 'Galatians' referred to a people living in Asia Minor who were likely of a Celtic background. The term 'Galatian' was a slur on these people's nasty pale complexions.

    If I recall correctly, the name ‘Galatians’ referred to a people living in Asia Minor who were likely of a Celtic background. The term ‘Galatian’ was a slur on these people’s nasty pale complexions.

    I don’t think that it’s a slur:

    Ancient Galatia (/ɡəˈleɪʃə/; Ancient Greek: Γαλατία, Galatía, “Gaul”) was an area in the highlands of central Anatolia, roughly corresponding to the provinces of Ankara, Çorum, and Yozgat, in modern Turkey. Galatia was named for the Gauls from Thrace (cf. Tylis), who settled here and became its ruling caste in the 3rd century BC, following the Gallic invasion of the Balkans in 279 BC. It has been called the “Gallia” of the East, Roman writers calling its inhabitants Galli (Gauls or Celts).

    Interesting tidbit:

    Although originally possessing a strong cultural identity, by the 2nd century AD, the Galatians had become assimilated (Hellenization) into the Hellenistic civilization of Anatolia.[17] The Galatians were still speaking the Galatian language in the time of St. Jerome (347–420 AD), who wrote that the Galatians of Ancyra and the Treveri of Trier (in what is now the Rhineland) spoke the same language (Comentarii in Epistolam ad Galatos, 2.3, composed c. 387).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia

  180. @Ibound1
    I prefer my regrets closer in time:

    The West had all of North Africa, and the whole of the Levant and a good bit of the Persian Gulf and could have had Constantinople - all before and right after WW1. North Africa, the Gulf and the Levant had virtually no population in those days. They could have all been restored to Christendom easily enough. The Turks had destroyed the Armenians! Instead gay Arabists from the British foreign office, dreaming of their Arab Sheikhs, turned all over to wandering tribes who had no more claim to those lands than a farmer from Cornwall. At least the Jews got hold of Palestine. Otherwise what a waste.

    Do you really want me to launch into my diatribe about how the US and UK should have colonized the Ghawar field and all nearby deposits from 1945-48?

    Hell, Western expats outnumber the natives 10 or 12 to 1 in UAE and Qatar. If the political will existed those places could be part of the West in about a week.

    • Agree: Ibound1
  181. Lots of comments on who was a good and brave soldier and who served honorably. But if you served in a combat zone you have earned my respect. My opinion.

  182. @Dr Van Nostrand
    Japanese/Japanese Americans were a disciplined peoples and that counts for a lot in combat.Similarly Germans and German Americans outperformed their contemporaries. Italian Americans were heirs to notions of honor, a work ethic and the rigor and training of WASP/German American U.S war machine and hence fared a lot better than the chaotic Italians

    Blacks lacking any of these customs and being rather diffident due to their social status failed to live up. This is understandable. While they continue to have problems with discipline(over represented in Okinawa rapes) ,from what I know from my dealings with military and private contractors.On average, they perform adequately and perhaps ably but not a lot more ,not less either.

    Blacks lacking any of these customs and being rather diffident due to their social status failed to live up. This is understandable. While they continue to have problems with discipline(over represented in Okinawa rapes)

    Indeed:

    The Katsuyama killing incident in 1945 was a killing of three African American Marines by Okinawans from the Katsuyama village near Nago, Okinawa, after the Battle of Okinawa, shortly before the end of the war in the Pacific. Many years later some of the villagers confessed that every weekend three black United States Marines had allegedly been visiting the village around that time and every time they violently took the village women into the hills with them and raped them. When the Marines started to confidently carry out their weekly ritual unarmed, the villagers reportedly overwhelmed the men one time and killed all three. Their bodies were hidden in the nearby cave out of fear for retaliation against the village, a village secret until 1997.[1] Since the killings, locals have called the cave “Kuronbō Gama”,[2] which translates to the “Cave of The Dark-Skinned Boys”.[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_Katsuyama_killing_incident

  183. @HunInTheSun
    When today’s youth of the Left take over in the U.S. and U.K. they will dig up the bones of every one of the men in that photograph and toss those bones into the sea, starting with Eisenhower, of whom they who know nothing of Operation Overlord will say that he was responsible for Operation Wetback.

    Little do they know that Cesar Chavez gave Operation Wetback and similar schemes an enthusiastic thumbs up.

  184. @Dr Van Nostrand
    In the "old book" you have Antiochus IV Epiphanes and general Nicanor( a descendent of Seleukus Nicator who undid Alexanders conquests in India) . The defeat of these guys is the basis of Hannukah. Found in the first and second Maccabees. Though Antiochus was most likely a Hellenized Syrian.

    Though Antiochus was most likely a Hellenized Syrian.

    Dunno. I just glanced over the Seleucid Dynasty, and the only non-Greek blood that I noticed was Persian (Apama, the mother of Antiochus I Soter , was Sogdian).

  185. @Dr Van Nostrand

    There are no Amerinds in the Bible
     
    Mitt Romney and his coreligionists disagree.

    There are no Amerinds in the Bible

    Mitt Romney and his coreligionists disagree.

    Book of Mormon isn’t the Bible

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    To Mormons, it is a lost book of the Bible and as per them should be part of the canon.
  186. @Corvinus
    David Brooks is absolutely correct. People at that time did not specifically designate themselves as being "white" or "black".

    Would Jesus have cared if his followers were from a different race? How about God?

    Per usual, you require a history lesson. The "new immigrants" which came to our nation from 1880-1920 represented a frightening diversity to nativists. The difference perceived in these immigrants was frequently described as a racial difference in which Europeans were represented "races" identified by region (e.g. Alpine, Mediterranean, Slavic, Nordic). Madison Grant explained in his book "The Passing of the Great Race" that White Americans, the "great race", were losing out to hordes of inferior European immigrants.

    According to Grant, "These new immigrants were no longer exclusively members of the Nordic race as were the earlier ones...The transportation lines advertised America as a land flowing with milk and honey and the European governments took the opportunity to unload upon careless, wealthy and hospitable America the sweepings of their jails and asylums...Our jails, insane asylums and almshouses are filled with this human flotsam and the whole tone of American life, social, moral and political has been lowered and vulgarized by them."

    So much for white unity...

    David Brooks is absolutely correct. People at that time did not specifically designate themselves as being “white” or “black”.

    Don’t be a goon.Here’s Black Classicist Frank Snowden on the topic of race in antiquity:

    Greeks and Romans, well acquainted with their contemporaries, differentiated between the various gradations of color in Mediterranean populations and made it clear that only some of the black- or dark-skinned peoples, those coming from the south of Egypt and the southern fringes of northwest Africa, were Ethiopians, i.e. Negroes. Ethiopians, known as the blackest peoples on earth, became the yardstick by which classical authors measured the color of others. In first century AD, Manilius described Ethiopians as the blackest; Indians, less sunburnt; Egyptians, mildly dark; with Moors the lightest in this color scheme. In other words, to all these peoples–Ethiopians, Indians, Egyptians, and Moors–who were darker than the Greeks and Romans, classical authors applied color-words but it should be emphasized that in general the ancients described only one of these–Ethiopians–as unmistakably Negroid.

    The assumption that a majority of the inhabitants of north Africa such as Numidians, Gaetulians, and Moors, were blacks, is also contradicted by the ancient evidence. Classical accounts clearly distinguish between the light-skinned inhabitants of coastal northwest Africa and the darker Ethiopians who lived on the southern fringes of the area. The ancient sources also point to the presence in northwest Africa of mixed black-white types, strongly suggested by names such as Libyoaethiopes (Libyan Ethiopians), Leucoaethiopes (white Ethiopians) and Melanogeatuli (black Gaetulians), a kind of intermediate population, an amalgam of whites and Ethiopians, and by the descriptions of the Garamantes, classified in some classical texts as Ethiopians but distinguished from Ethiopians by others. [15] Classical accounts of the physical features of northwest Africans are amply confirmed by the iconographical evidence. Mosaics, sculpture in the round, and other art objects from northwest Africa depict the inhabitants as predominantly white and portray relatively few blacks,

    And here are two Greek writers engaging in a bit of racial comparison:

    Arrian (Indica 6.9)

    The appearance of the inhabitants is also not very different in India and Ethiopia: the southern Indians are rather more like Ethiopians as they are black to look on, and their hair is black; only they are not so snub-nosed or woolly-haired as the Ethiopians; the northern Indians are most like the Egyptians physically.

    Strabo Geography 15.1.13

    As for the people of India, those in the south are like the Aethiopians in color, although they are like the rest in respect to countenance and hair (for on account of the humidity of the air their hair does not curl), whereas those in the north are like the Egyptians.

    And still more:

    It was a market place to which the Ethiopians bring all the products of their country; and the Egyptians in their turn take them all away and bring to the same spot their own wares of equal value, so bartering what they have got for what they have not. Now the inhabitants of the marches (Nubian/Egyptians border) are not yet fully black but are half-breeds in matter of color, for they are partly not so black as the Ethiopians, yet partly more so than the Egyptians.

    Flavius Philostratus: c.170 to c.247,

    The Ethiopians stain the world and depict a race of men steeped in darkness; less sun-burnt are the natives of India; the land of Egypt, flooded by the Nile, darkens bodies more mildly owing to the inundation of its fields: it it a country nearer to us and its moderate climate imparts a medium tone.

    – Manilius, Astronomica 4.724

    Would Jesus have cared if his followers were from a different race?

    Depends on the passage, dear fellow. In some, he’s quite interested in the division between Jew and non-Jew…

    How about God?

    Well, he did did display quite a bit of favoritism towards one group….

    Per usual, you require a history lesson. The “new immigrants” which came to our nation from 1880-1920 represented a frightening diversity to nativists. The difference perceived in these immigrants was frequently described as a racial difference in which Europeans were represented “races” identified by region (e.g. Alpine, Mediterranean, Slavic, Nordic). Madison Grant explained in his book “The Passing of the Great Race” that White Americans, the “great race”, were losing out to hordes of inferior European immigrants.

    Good thing that I don’t base my arguments on the beliefs of Madison Grant….

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    Your sources talk about the Greeks making distinctions regarding color and ethnicity, not about the “white race” or the “black race”. Thus while on the one hand the ancient Greeks would certainly consider most foreigners inferior to themselves, some even subhuman, that was not based entirely on biological race, and definitely not on the modern white/black distinction.

    “Depends on the passage, dear fellow. In some, he’s quite interested in the division between Jew and non-Jew…”

    Between ethnicities, not race. Between believers and non-believers, not race.

    “Good thing that I don’t base my arguments on the beliefs of Madison Grant…”

    Exactly why you lost the argument.

    “Well, he did did display quite a bit of favoritism towards one group….”

    For any and all who wish to seek salvation regardless of race.

    “I’m quite sure that lots of Black rapists got away with it…”

    Lots of black and white rapists, you mean.

    “Romans and Greeks are on the Euro-side of the ledger, dear fellow….”

    They did not consider themselves “European”. That is a label affixed to them as a modern usage.

    “Speaking of Black depravity….”

    You mean depravity.
  187. If we actually had honest leaders, this would’ve been the 75th anniversary of the greatest mistake in American history. We never should’ve gone to war in Europe. D Day never should’ve happened. Hopefully Churchill is in hell now for all the lives he cost just so he could hold on to power.

    Nearly 80m perished in WWII, but all we ever hear about are the 6m. It’s time to wake up. How much longer will this lie go on? 75 years is long enough.

  188. @syonredux

    There are no Amerinds in the Bible

    Mitt Romney and his coreligionists disagree.
     
    Book of Mormon isn't the Bible

    To Mormons, it is a lost book of the Bible and as per them should be part of the canon.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    To Mormons, it is a lost book of the Bible and as per them should be part of the canon.
     
    That's their problem. Me? I'd rather make The Divine Comedy and Paradise Lost part of the Biblical canon. At the very least, they're better written than the Book of Mormon....
  189. @Corvinus
    Let's look at the context.

    From the source...

    "These data are not without defects or limitations. There is good reason to believe that the rapes reported here represent only a fraction of the actual number of rapes committed by American troops during the Liberation. On the one hand, the documents contain only the most brutal cases...It is therefore possible to think that military justice pursued white rapists with less zeal than it applied to punish black rapists. That said, it is impossible to estimate the exact number of rapes committed by American troops in France at the Liberation...

    "Most of the rapes studied were committed between friends, or buddies. The word "buddy" is the American equivalent of the French term "buddy regimen"t. He refers to members of a new society or clique who often form in training camps when newly mobilized soldiers become familiar with their new social environment. The archive contains details on the number of soldiers involved in each rape case. Of the 68 cases that led to a trial, 42 (62%) had a total of 88 rapists. Thirty-five (83%) of these 42 rapes were committed by 73 soldiers. In addition to the rapists, there were also in many cases several accomplices who, without having violated, assisted their "buddies". Depending on the circumstances, these accomplices served as watchmen, warned some people or immobilized the victims. In all, 113 soldiers participated in the 42 rapes indicated above."

    These data are not without defects or limitations. There is good reason to believe that the rapes reported here represent only a fraction of the actual number of rapes committed by American troops during the Liberation. On the one hand, the documents contain only the most brutal cases

    I’m quite sure that lots of Black rapists got away with it…

    …It is therefore possible to think that military justice pursued white rapists with less zeal than it applied to punish black rapists. That said, it is impossible to estimate the exact number of rapes committed by American troops in France at the Liberation…

    Hey, when one group is committing a disproportionate number of rapes, extra zeal might be needed….

    Speaking of Black depravity….

    “The serial sexual murder of elderly females appears to be particularly an interracial affair, although such murders only account
    for 2% to 3% of all homicides (Safarik, Jarvis, & Nussbaum, 2000).
    Safarik, Jarvis, and Nussbaum (2000) found that Black offenders
    killed 82% of the White elderly female victims of sexual homicide
    (no elderly Black females were victimized by Whites). The rarity
    of such crimes limited this study to 33 victims, but, focusing on
    128 nonserial sexual homicides of elderly female victims, the
    same researchers found that Blacks offended against Whites in
    77% of the cases (Safarik, Jarvis, & Nussbaum, 2002).”

    https://studysites.sagepub.com/gabbidonstudy/articles/Walsh.pdf

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Syon, you are pushing too hard. The "Boston Strangler" was a white guy. His victim were mostly older white women.
  190. @Corvinus
    "It’s all white males..."

    who relied on the contributions of past civilizations--Romans, Greeks, Mesopotamia, and Yangtze River. Remember, you didn't built that.

    And, Mr. Sailer...

    There was diversity in the planning—Americans (mutts), the English (whose background include Celts, Angles, Saxons, and Romans), and the French (Frankish).

    Moreover, the soldiers on the ground who were involved on D-Day came from different ethnicities and religions. Even blacks got involved in the fracas! The only African American force in battle that day was the 320th Barrage Balloon Battalion. Its job was to set up explosive-rigged balloons to prevent German airplanes from attacking the Allies. Waverly Woodson, Jr. was a medical worker with the battalion. Before his death in 2005, he told The Associated Press in 1994 about how his landing ship hit a mine on the way to Omaha Beach. “The tide brought us in, and that’s when the 88s hit us,” he said of the German 88 millimeter guns. “They were murder. Of our 26 Navy personnel there was only one left. They raked the whole top of the ship and killed all the crew. Then they started with the mortar shells”.

    Perhaps instead of SJW clickbait you could have found some unique pattern that only you are allegedly known for. Of course, perhaps there is a refusal by Mr. Sailer not to NOTICE that the ones who got us involved in World War II were white men.

    Not your best work, Mr. Sailer, especially on an important day in world history.

    “It’s all white males…”

    who relied on the contributions of past civilizations–Romans, Greeks, Mesopotamia, and Yangtze River.

    Romans and Greeks are on the Euro-side of the ledger, dear fellow….

    Remember, you didn’t built that.

    That’s why every European is proud to be the heir of Greece and Rome….

    There was diversity in the planning—Americans (mutts), the English (whose background include Celts, Angles, Saxons, and Romans), and the French (Frankish).

    According to the NYTIMES, those people don’t count as “diverse.”

  191. @Corvinus
    "It’s all white males..."

    who relied on the contributions of past civilizations--Romans, Greeks, Mesopotamia, and Yangtze River. Remember, you didn't built that.

    And, Mr. Sailer...

    There was diversity in the planning—Americans (mutts), the English (whose background include Celts, Angles, Saxons, and Romans), and the French (Frankish).

    Moreover, the soldiers on the ground who were involved on D-Day came from different ethnicities and religions. Even blacks got involved in the fracas! The only African American force in battle that day was the 320th Barrage Balloon Battalion. Its job was to set up explosive-rigged balloons to prevent German airplanes from attacking the Allies. Waverly Woodson, Jr. was a medical worker with the battalion. Before his death in 2005, he told The Associated Press in 1994 about how his landing ship hit a mine on the way to Omaha Beach. “The tide brought us in, and that’s when the 88s hit us,” he said of the German 88 millimeter guns. “They were murder. Of our 26 Navy personnel there was only one left. They raked the whole top of the ship and killed all the crew. Then they started with the mortar shells”.

    Perhaps instead of SJW clickbait you could have found some unique pattern that only you are allegedly known for. Of course, perhaps there is a refusal by Mr. Sailer not to NOTICE that the ones who got us involved in World War II were white men.

    Not your best work, Mr. Sailer, especially on an important day in world history.

    “It’s all white males…”

    who relied on the contributions of past civilizations–Romans, Greeks, Mesopotamia, and Yangtze River.

    Romans and Greeks are on the Euro-side of the ledger, dear fellow….

    Remember, you didn’t built that.

    That’s why every European is proud to be the heir of Greece and Rome….

    There was diversity in the planning—Americans (mutts), the English (whose background include Celts, Angles, Saxons, and Romans), and the French (Frankish).

    According to the NYTIMES, those people don’t count as “diverse.”

    • Agree: 95Theses
  192. @HdC
    Check wiki for the name Konrad Zuse to see who built the first programmable computer. He probably gave ol' blue the start in computers after the war.
  193. @Icy Blast
    Alan Alda is Jewish. And the Italians I met in Germany looked white to me - many of them had blonde hair. Must have been Lombards.

    Alan Alda is a WASPified Italian-American. That’s why he seems so Jewish.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    I didnt even know that the blue eyed Nic Cage and Alan Alda were Italians. Another non typical (to American eyes) Italian is GWB spokeswoman Dana Perrino

    Argentina got the blonde educated Northern Italians while U.S had to make do with the Corleones

    , @syonredux
    Birth Name: Alphonso Joseph D’Abruzzo

    Place of Birth: The Bronx, New York City, New York, U.S.

    Date of Birth: January 28, 1936

    Ethnicity:
    *Italian (father)
    *Irish (mother)

    Alan Alda is an American actor, director, screenwriter, comedian, and author. He is the son of Robert Alda (born Alphonso Giuseppe Giovanni Roberto D’Abruzzo), an actor and singer, and Joan Alda (born Joan Browne), a beauty pageant winner. His father was of Italian descent and his mother was of Irish ancestry. Alan is married to musician, photographer, and writer Arlene Alda, with whom he has three children.

    Alan’s paternal grandfather was Antonio “Anthony” D’Abruzzo (the son of Alfonso/Alphonzo D’Abruzzo and Annina Ferrara). Antonio was Italian, and was born in Sant’Agata de’ Goti, Province of Benevento, Campania.

    Alan’s paternal grandmother was Frances Tumillo (the daughter of James Tummillo and Elizabeth Moggio). Frances was born in New York, to Italian parents.

    Alan’s maternal grandfather was Michael Francis Brown (the son of James Brown and Jane White). James was born in Ireland. Jane was born in Pennsylvania, to Irish parents, Michael White and Catherine.

    Alan’s maternal grandmother was Agnes C. Dugan (the daughter of Patrick Dugan/Duggan and Jane/Joanna/Joana McDevitt/McDade). Agnes was born in Delaware, to Irish parents. Patrick was the son of Patrick Dugan and Mary Corrigan/Kerrigan. Jane was the daughter of James McDade/McDevitt and Jane Conner/Connor.

    https://ethnicelebs.com/alan-alda
    , @Mr. Anon
    Perhaps it is because of who actually wrote most of what he is remembered for having said.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068098/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm
  194. @Dr Van Nostrand
    Hitler praised Mussolini's appearance as a robust alpine type with refined features and borrowed much of Nazi paegentry, parades and style from the Italians. Hitler due to Mussolinis' propaganda had been convinced initally that the Italian army were the hardy ,discipline heirs of the Romans . He found that was not the case the hard way.
    Hitler was also frustrated about Mussolini dragging his feet on the Final Solution. Mussolini like them Jews and had Jewish advisors and followers. Elie Wiesel singled out Mussolini for special praise. Spoke of him in righteous gentile terms.

    Mussolini like them Jews and had Jewish advisors and followers.

    The Japanese didn’t appreciate being told what to do with the Jews in their realm, either.

    There can be little doubt for whom Benito Garozzo was named in 1927. Bridge nut Michael Ledeen used benito in his e-mail address. I’d be surprised if power shufflers Bill Gates and Warren Buffett don’t know him, too.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Whats the obsession of Western elites with bridge? Is it really that cerebral? Or is it just a status signifier? Omar Sharif became a hero to the literati not just due to his dark good looks, pretentious choice of film and diversity points but that he was a bridge champion.
  195. @Corvinus
    Let's look at the context.

    From the source...

    "These data are not without defects or limitations. There is good reason to believe that the rapes reported here represent only a fraction of the actual number of rapes committed by American troops during the Liberation. On the one hand, the documents contain only the most brutal cases...It is therefore possible to think that military justice pursued white rapists with less zeal than it applied to punish black rapists. That said, it is impossible to estimate the exact number of rapes committed by American troops in France at the Liberation...

    "Most of the rapes studied were committed between friends, or buddies. The word "buddy" is the American equivalent of the French term "buddy regimen"t. He refers to members of a new society or clique who often form in training camps when newly mobilized soldiers become familiar with their new social environment. The archive contains details on the number of soldiers involved in each rape case. Of the 68 cases that led to a trial, 42 (62%) had a total of 88 rapists. Thirty-five (83%) of these 42 rapes were committed by 73 soldiers. In addition to the rapists, there were also in many cases several accomplices who, without having violated, assisted their "buddies". Depending on the circumstances, these accomplices served as watchmen, warned some people or immobilized the victims. In all, 113 soldiers participated in the 42 rapes indicated above."

    As
    Figure 18 shows, between 2001 and 2003, blacks
    were 39 times more likely to commit violent crimes
    against whites than the reverse, and 136 times more
    likely to commit robbery.40 There were an average
    of 15,400 black-on-white rapes every year during
    this period, 139,000 robberies, 489,000 assaults, and
    12,762 sexual assaults. By contrast, there were only
    900 “white”-on-black rapes every year, 7,600 robberies, 101,000 assaults, and 3,217 sexual assaults.

    Of all 768,879 violent interracial crimes involving
    blacks and whites, blacks committed 85 percent and
    “whites” 15 percent.

    http://2kpcwh2r7phz1nq4jj237m22.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/2005-Color-of-Crime-Report.pdf

    The Katsuyama killing incident in 1945 was a killing of three African American Marines by Okinawans from the Katsuyama village near Nago, Okinawa, after the Battle of Okinawa, shortly before the end of the war in the Pacific. Many years later some of the villagers confessed that every weekend three black United States Marines had allegedly been visiting the village around that time and every time they violently took the village women into the hills with them and raped them. When the Marines started to confidently carry out their weekly ritual unarmed, the villagers reportedly overwhelmed the men one time and killed all three.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_Katsuyama_killing_incident

    The 1995 Okinawa rape incident took place on September 4, 1995, when three U.S. servicemen – U.S. Navy Seaman Marcus Gill and U.S. Marines Rodrico Harp and Kendrick Ledet, who were all serving at Camp Hansen on Okinawa – rented a van and kidnapped a 12-year-old Okinawan girl. They beat her, duct-taped her eyes and mouth shut, and bound her hands. Gill and Harp then raped her, while Ledet claimed he only pretended to do so out of fear of Gill.[

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident

  196. @Cagey Beast
    Alan Alda is a WASPified Italian-American. That's why he seems so Jewish.

    I didnt even know that the blue eyed Nic Cage and Alan Alda were Italians. Another non typical (to American eyes) Italian is GWB spokeswoman Dana Perrino

    Argentina got the blonde educated Northern Italians while U.S had to make do with the Corleones

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Birth Name: Dana Marie Perino

    Place of Birth: Evanston, Wyoming, U.S.

    Date of Birth: May 9, 1972

    Ethnicity: Italian (paternal grandfather), English, possibly other

    Dana Perino is an American political commentator and author. She was White House Press Secretary, from March 27, 2007 to April 30, 2007 (in an Acting manner), and from September 14, 2007 to January 20, 2009, and a Member of the Broadcasting Board of Governors , from June 30, 2010 to December 31, 2012.

    Dana is the daughter of Janice “Jan” and Leo Perino. She is married to Peter McMahon.

    Dana’s paternal grandfather was Leo Ernest Perino (the son of Jacento “Matt” Perino and Rosa/Rosi Monti). Jacento was born in Turin, Piedmont, Italy, the son of Giovanni Perino and Maria Santo. Rosa was also Italian.

    Dana’s paternal grandmother was Victoria S. Potts/Smith. Victoria was born to Sara Hearn and Harry Potts. Because of her mother’s death and father’s health, she was adopted by Melvin Jacob Smith and Emma Reese.

    https://ethnicelebs.com/dana-perino
    , @syonredux
    Nicolas Cage

    Birth Name: Nicolas Kim Coppola

    Place of Birth: Long Beach, Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: January 7, 1964

    Ethnicity:
    *50% Italian
    *25% Polish
    *18.75% German
    *6.25% British Isles [English, Scottish]

    https://ethnicelebs.com/nicolas-cage
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Doc., and Enrico Fermi...but what the hey.
  197. @Dr Van Nostrand
    To Mormons, it is a lost book of the Bible and as per them should be part of the canon.

    To Mormons, it is a lost book of the Bible and as per them should be part of the canon.

    That’s their problem. Me? I’d rather make The Divine Comedy and Paradise Lost part of the Biblical canon. At the very least, they’re better written than the Book of Mormon….

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    I agree.
  198. @syonredux

    To Mormons, it is a lost book of the Bible and as per them should be part of the canon.
     
    That's their problem. Me? I'd rather make The Divine Comedy and Paradise Lost part of the Biblical canon. At the very least, they're better written than the Book of Mormon....

    I agree.

  199. @Cagey Beast
    Alan Alda is a WASPified Italian-American. That's why he seems so Jewish.

    Birth Name: Alphonso Joseph D’Abruzzo

    Place of Birth: The Bronx, New York City, New York, U.S.

    Date of Birth: January 28, 1936

    Ethnicity:
    *Italian (father)
    *Irish (mother)

    Alan Alda is an American actor, director, screenwriter, comedian, and author. He is the son of Robert Alda (born Alphonso Giuseppe Giovanni Roberto D’Abruzzo), an actor and singer, and Joan Alda (born Joan Browne), a beauty pageant winner. His father was of Italian descent and his mother was of Irish ancestry. Alan is married to musician, photographer, and writer Arlene Alda, with whom he has three children.

    Alan’s paternal grandfather was Antonio “Anthony” D’Abruzzo (the son of Alfonso/Alphonzo D’Abruzzo and Annina Ferrara). Antonio was Italian, and was born in Sant’Agata de’ Goti, Province of Benevento, Campania.

    Alan’s paternal grandmother was Frances Tumillo (the daughter of James Tummillo and Elizabeth Moggio). Frances was born in New York, to Italian parents.

    Alan’s maternal grandfather was Michael Francis Brown (the son of James Brown and Jane White). James was born in Ireland. Jane was born in Pennsylvania, to Irish parents, Michael White and Catherine.

    Alan’s maternal grandmother was Agnes C. Dugan (the daughter of Patrick Dugan/Duggan and Jane/Joanna/Joana McDevitt/McDade). Agnes was born in Delaware, to Irish parents. Patrick was the son of Patrick Dugan and Mary Corrigan/Kerrigan. Jane was the daughter of James McDade/McDevitt and Jane Conner/Connor.

    https://ethnicelebs.com/alan-alda

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    So Alda is part White and part Brown. Sounds like a pub mix, eg, Guinness and crème de cacao.
  200. @RVBlake
    The good General seems to imply that Diversity compared to Homogeneity comes up short. The horror!

    The BBC’s World at War came out around 1970, twenty-five years after the war. So it included interviews of many of the important participants. It was also a time before PC. Can you imagine a general stating what Clark said in this day and age? He’d be pilloried for even suggesting that diversity is not a strength. But Clark was correct. And he was correct to point out it was not just a diversity of peoples that was a handicap, but a diversity of weapons and supply chain items too.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Ok, but what was ultimately decisive in the war wasn't the homogeneity of troops. That's why the Axis lost, and why the Central Powers lost in WW1. It was basically the enormous manpower and resources available to global empires and an international alliance. Peter Frost is hardly PC and explains here:

    https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2018/12/rise-of-west.html

    The benefits included not only more wealth but also more military power. During the American Civil War, the North benefitted not only from a greater capacity to produce arms and ammunition but also from a more extensive railway system and a larger pool of recruits, including young migrants of diverse origins—one in four members of the Union army was an immigrant (Doyle 2015).

    During the First World War, Britain and France could likewise draw on not only their own manpower but also that of their colonies and elsewhere. France recruited half a million African soldiers to fight in Europe, and Britain over a million Indian troops to fight in Europe, the Middle East, and East Africa (Koller 2014; Wikipedia 2018b). An additional 300,000 laborers were brought to Europe and the Middle East for non-combat roles from China, Egypt, India, and South Africa (Wikipedia 2018a). In contrast, the Central Powers had to rely almost entirely on their own human resources. The Allied powers thus turned a European civil war into a truly global conflict.

    The same imbalance developed during the Second World War. The Allies could produce arms and ammunition in greater quantities and far from enemy attack in North America, India, and South Africa, while recruiting large numbers of soldiers overseas. More than a million African soldiers fought for Britain and France, their contribution being particularly critical to the Burma campaign, the Italian campaign, and the invasion of southern France (Krinninger and Mwanamilongo 2015; Wikipedia 2018c). Meanwhile, India provided over 2.5 million soldiers, who fought in North Africa, Europe, and Asia (Wikipedia 2018d). India also produced armaments and resources for the war effort, notably coal, iron ore, and steel.

    Liberalism thus succeeded not so much in the battle of ideas as on the actual battlefield.
     
  201. And speaking of other things that happened on the 6th of June that should be remembered;

    The Battle of Midway was a decisive naval battle in the Pacific Theater of World War II that took place between 4 and 7 June 1942, only six months after Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor and one month after the Battle of the Coral Sea.[6][7][8] The United States Navy under Admirals Chester Nimitz, Frank Jack Fletcher, and Raymond A. Spruance defeated an attacking fleet of the Imperial Japanese Navy under Admirals Isoroku Yamamoto, Chūichi Nagumo, and Nobutake Kondō near Midway Atoll, inflicting devastating damage on the Japanese fleet that proved irreparable. Military historian John Keegan called it “the most stunning and decisive blow in the history of naval warfare”.[9]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway

    • Replies: @syonredux
    And here's a man who should be much better known:

    Raymond Ames Spruance (July 3, 1886 – December 13, 1969) was a United States Navy admiral in World War II. He commanded U.S. naval forces during two of the most significant naval battles that took place in the Pacific Theatre: the Battle of Midway and the Battle of the Philippine Sea. At Midway, Spruance scored the first major victory for the United States over Japan; most historians consider Midway the turning point of the Pacific War.[1]
     

    Official Navy historian Samuel Eliot Morison characterized Spruance's performance as "superb", and said that he "emerged from this battle one of the greatest admirals in American naval history".[2]
     

    Spruance was nicknamed "electric brain" for his calmness even in moments of supreme crisis, a reputation enhanced by his successful tactics at Midway.[3] After the war, Spruance was appointed President of the Naval War College, and later served as American ambassador to the Philippines.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_A._Spruance
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Syon, some of the Japanese High Command was US educated. They knew they were poking a sleeping bear. Pearl Harbor was a failure because the US carriers were not in port. The Japanese knew that they had about a year to get America to declare a truce or all was lost. At the start of the war Japan had superior, experienced pilots who were carrier based. When those pilots were gone the air belonged to America and their superior aircraft and still inexperienced pilots.
  202. @Anonymous
    A lot of Africans did fight. In fact, without Africans, the French would not really have had much of an independent army at all, as there was not much popular native French morale or enthusiasm to oppose Vichy France. The French military officer class tended to be reactionaries who were not that hostile to Vichy France, and many were rather quite sympathetic to it.

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9barquement_de_Provence#Composition_des_forces_terrestres_fran%C3%A7aises


    From August 15, 1944, about 260,000 fighters of the "Army B" French, led by General Jean Lattre de Tassigny, arrived in the South of France. They will land in the following months, including 5,000 female auxiliaries; 10% were from the metropolis (the "free French" of General de Gaulle) or Black Africa (nearly 10 000), 90% came from North Africa, an overwhelming majority for the departments of Algeria; Of these, 52% were of North African origin (nearly 100,000) and 48% were of European origin (Blackfoot) 11,12.

    In the larger units, the percentage of North African soldiers ranged from 27% at 1st DB to 56% at 2nd WMD.
     

    “In the Second World War there were no fewer than 40 Gurkha Battalions in British Service, as well as parachute, garrison and training units. In all this total sum amounted to 112,000 men. Side by side with British and Commonwealth troops Gurkhas fought in Syria, the Western Desert, Italy and Greece, from North Malaya to Singapore and from the Siamese Border back through Burma to Imphal and then forward to Rangoon”

    Casualties not readily available, as they were listed as British Army. And I’d swap every cranky, cadging Person of Diversity in the Kingdom for any number of Nepalis, in a heartbeat.

    There were 16000 Maoris as well in with the Kiwis, in their own brigades. Some even fought at Thermopylae!
    Against Panzers.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    And I’d swap every cranky, cadging Person of Diversity in the Kingdom for any number of Nepalis, in a heartbeat.
     
    It's worth noting that twelve Gurkhas were awarded Victoria Crosses for valor, of the one hundred and eighty two awarded in total during WWII.

    That's extraordinary, given the relatively small number of Gurkhas in the British and Commonwealth forces in that war, about one percent of the total.

  203. @syonredux
    And speaking of other things that happened on the 6th of June that should be remembered;

    The Battle of Midway was a decisive naval battle in the Pacific Theater of World War II that took place between 4 and 7 June 1942, only six months after Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor and one month after the Battle of the Coral Sea.[6][7][8] The United States Navy under Admirals Chester Nimitz, Frank Jack Fletcher, and Raymond A. Spruance defeated an attacking fleet of the Imperial Japanese Navy under Admirals Isoroku Yamamoto, Chūichi Nagumo, and Nobutake Kondō near Midway Atoll, inflicting devastating damage on the Japanese fleet that proved irreparable. Military historian John Keegan called it "the most stunning and decisive blow in the history of naval warfare".[9]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvT2vTzMn7E


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5xvopAfx8



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ladXC2aIF9M


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMbpQlBZleY


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95UbTypOCBA

    And here’s a man who should be much better known:

    Raymond Ames Spruance (July 3, 1886 – December 13, 1969) was a United States Navy admiral in World War II. He commanded U.S. naval forces during two of the most significant naval battles that took place in the Pacific Theatre: the Battle of Midway and the Battle of the Philippine Sea. At Midway, Spruance scored the first major victory for the United States over Japan; most historians consider Midway the turning point of the Pacific War.[1]

    Official Navy historian Samuel Eliot Morison characterized Spruance’s performance as “superb”, and said that he “emerged from this battle one of the greatest admirals in American naval history”.[2]

    Spruance was nicknamed “electric brain” for his calmness even in moments of supreme crisis, a reputation enhanced by his successful tactics at Midway.[3] After the war, Spruance was appointed President of the Naval War College, and later served as American ambassador to the Philippines.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_A._Spruance

  204. @Corvinus
    "It’s all white males..."

    who relied on the contributions of past civilizations--Romans, Greeks, Mesopotamia, and Yangtze River. Remember, you didn't built that.

    And, Mr. Sailer...

    There was diversity in the planning—Americans (mutts), the English (whose background include Celts, Angles, Saxons, and Romans), and the French (Frankish).

    Moreover, the soldiers on the ground who were involved on D-Day came from different ethnicities and religions. Even blacks got involved in the fracas! The only African American force in battle that day was the 320th Barrage Balloon Battalion. Its job was to set up explosive-rigged balloons to prevent German airplanes from attacking the Allies. Waverly Woodson, Jr. was a medical worker with the battalion. Before his death in 2005, he told The Associated Press in 1994 about how his landing ship hit a mine on the way to Omaha Beach. “The tide brought us in, and that’s when the 88s hit us,” he said of the German 88 millimeter guns. “They were murder. Of our 26 Navy personnel there was only one left. They raked the whole top of the ship and killed all the crew. Then they started with the mortar shells”.

    Perhaps instead of SJW clickbait you could have found some unique pattern that only you are allegedly known for. Of course, perhaps there is a refusal by Mr. Sailer not to NOTICE that the ones who got us involved in World War II were white men.

    Not your best work, Mr. Sailer, especially on an important day in world history.

    you didn’t built that.

    That’s a catchy saying to try to take the wind out of someone’s sails who is celebrating their heritage. Do you direct this saying at blacks when they celebrate Black History Month? Do you direct it at Hispanics and Jews when they celebrate their respective history months? Or is it just Europeans you wish to belittle?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    I direct it at people who think that white people created everything while significantly downplaying that they are also borrowers and destroyers.
  205. @Dr Van Nostrand
    Hitler praised Mussolini's appearance as a robust alpine type with refined features and borrowed much of Nazi paegentry, parades and style from the Italians. Hitler due to Mussolinis' propaganda had been convinced initally that the Italian army were the hardy ,discipline heirs of the Romans . He found that was not the case the hard way.
    Hitler was also frustrated about Mussolini dragging his feet on the Final Solution. Mussolini like them Jews and had Jewish advisors and followers. Elie Wiesel singled out Mussolini for special praise. Spoke of him in righteous gentile terms.

    No one ever talks about the fact that Il Duce was married to a Jew.

  206. @Corvinus
    David Brooks is absolutely correct. People at that time did not specifically designate themselves as being "white" or "black".

    Would Jesus have cared if his followers were from a different race? How about God?

    Per usual, you require a history lesson. The "new immigrants" which came to our nation from 1880-1920 represented a frightening diversity to nativists. The difference perceived in these immigrants was frequently described as a racial difference in which Europeans were represented "races" identified by region (e.g. Alpine, Mediterranean, Slavic, Nordic). Madison Grant explained in his book "The Passing of the Great Race" that White Americans, the "great race", were losing out to hordes of inferior European immigrants.

    According to Grant, "These new immigrants were no longer exclusively members of the Nordic race as were the earlier ones...The transportation lines advertised America as a land flowing with milk and honey and the European governments took the opportunity to unload upon careless, wealthy and hospitable America the sweepings of their jails and asylums...Our jails, insane asylums and almshouses are filled with this human flotsam and the whole tone of American life, social, moral and political has been lowered and vulgarized by them."

    So much for white unity...

    Would Jesus have cared if his followers were from a different race? How about God?

    Jesus, no. But God, that’s a different story. In the Old Testament God appears somewhat prejudiced against the non Jews. So much so that on a few occasions he punishes the Jews for not slaughtering everybody in a city that he designated for them to smote.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Jesus had the ethnic prejudices of his fellow Israelites . He referred to Phoenicians and Greek gentiles as a race of dogs. But softened somewhat when a Phoenician woman insisted that he treat her daughter and complied. Could just be that he was having an off day as when he cursed the fig tree for not bearing fruit and was captured in tabloid form for posterity as is the wont of the Biblical authors all the way from Genesis. Say what you want about the Hebrews ,they werent shy about recording their warts.
    , @Corvinus
    "In the Old Testament God appears somewhat prejudiced against the non Jews. So much so that on a few occasions he punishes the Jews for not slaughtering everybody in a city that he designated for them to smote."

    You mean those who wrote about God had made that charge. God is all-knowing and all good. He is perfect. Would He seek to discriminate against those who sought salvation? In other words, would He pick one race over another race to enter Heaven?
  207. @HunInTheSun
    When today’s youth of the Left take over in the U.S. and U.K. they will dig up the bones of every one of the men in that photograph and toss those bones into the sea, starting with Eisenhower, of whom they who know nothing of Operation Overlord will say that he was responsible for Operation Wetback.

    They’d have to stick to Blighty-based cemeteries. Digging up anything on that proximate bit of the Continent is a bit fraught. Might go kaboom. Ask any North French or Belgian farmer.

  208. @Dr Van Nostrand
    I didnt even know that the blue eyed Nic Cage and Alan Alda were Italians. Another non typical (to American eyes) Italian is GWB spokeswoman Dana Perrino

    Argentina got the blonde educated Northern Italians while U.S had to make do with the Corleones

    Birth Name: Dana Marie Perino

    Place of Birth: Evanston, Wyoming, U.S.

    Date of Birth: May 9, 1972

    Ethnicity: Italian (paternal grandfather), English, possibly other

    Dana Perino is an American political commentator and author. She was White House Press Secretary, from March 27, 2007 to April 30, 2007 (in an Acting manner), and from September 14, 2007 to January 20, 2009, and a Member of the Broadcasting Board of Governors , from June 30, 2010 to December 31, 2012.

    Dana is the daughter of Janice “Jan” and Leo Perino. She is married to Peter McMahon.

    Dana’s paternal grandfather was Leo Ernest Perino (the son of Jacento “Matt” Perino and Rosa/Rosi Monti). Jacento was born in Turin, Piedmont, Italy, the son of Giovanni Perino and Maria Santo. Rosa was also Italian.

    Dana’s paternal grandmother was Victoria S. Potts/Smith. Victoria was born to Sara Hearn and Harry Potts. Because of her mother’s death and father’s health, she was adopted by Melvin Jacob Smith and Emma Reese.

    https://ethnicelebs.com/dana-perino

  209. @Dr Van Nostrand
    I didnt even know that the blue eyed Nic Cage and Alan Alda were Italians. Another non typical (to American eyes) Italian is GWB spokeswoman Dana Perrino

    Argentina got the blonde educated Northern Italians while U.S had to make do with the Corleones

    Nicolas Cage

    Birth Name: Nicolas Kim Coppola

    Place of Birth: Long Beach, Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: January 7, 1964

    Ethnicity:
    *50% Italian
    *25% Polish
    *18.75% German
    *6.25% British Isles [English, Scottish]

    https://ethnicelebs.com/nicolas-cage

  210. @Corvinus
    David Brooks is absolutely correct. People at that time did not specifically designate themselves as being "white" or "black".

    Would Jesus have cared if his followers were from a different race? How about God?

    Per usual, you require a history lesson. The "new immigrants" which came to our nation from 1880-1920 represented a frightening diversity to nativists. The difference perceived in these immigrants was frequently described as a racial difference in which Europeans were represented "races" identified by region (e.g. Alpine, Mediterranean, Slavic, Nordic). Madison Grant explained in his book "The Passing of the Great Race" that White Americans, the "great race", were losing out to hordes of inferior European immigrants.

    According to Grant, "These new immigrants were no longer exclusively members of the Nordic race as were the earlier ones...The transportation lines advertised America as a land flowing with milk and honey and the European governments took the opportunity to unload upon careless, wealthy and hospitable America the sweepings of their jails and asylums...Our jails, insane asylums and almshouses are filled with this human flotsam and the whole tone of American life, social, moral and political has been lowered and vulgarized by them."

    So much for white unity...

    So much for white unity…

    Actually there is something to it. Which is why the people on your side of the aisle are in such a tizzy over so called White nationalism and White identity. If there were no chance for such unity, no one would pay attention to these new movements. But because the notion of a somewhat unified White voting bloc scares the hell out them, they are tying to pounce before the movement gets off the ground.

    What American history has shown is that the peoples of Europe, though different in culture, customs and language, can relatively quickly be brought together once they’ve adopted a common language and customs. It’s actually very remarkable that so many ethnic Europeans, who had been in conflict for centuries, were able in a few generations to live side by side in the USA.

    Contrast this to the experience of Africans. Though they have been present here for 400 years, they have yet to fully assimilate or be accepted by their fellow citizens.

    The fact that you point out how low some Europeans were regarded when they arrived, and how quickly they were accepted, only goes to show how close Europeans really are. As opposed to blacks and other non-whites who still think of themselves as outsiders generations after having come here.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand

    The fact that you point out how low some Europeans were regarded when they arrived, and how quickly they were accepted, only goes to show how close Europeans really are. As opposed to blacks and other non-whites who still think of themselves as outsiders generations after having come here.
     
    Dunno about others but blacks certainly dont think of themselves as outsiders at all. No one expressed any interest in Africa like Latinos praise Mexico and Puerto Rico, lunatic IRA supporters in Boston and I need not mention a tribe's love for a certain falafel munching country. Since their culture and language were severed from Africa, their roots ,customs and habits are tied to mostly the south eastern and Eastern seaboard. They may not do well at assimilation but this type of ahem knee jerk take a knee anti nationalism is new. You underestimate the humble role of home in nationalism. As for their lack of vigour in WWII and Vietnam, would you fight in a faraway land in a country that actively discriminated against you if there was no immediate threat to your home or person. The case of that black cook on Pearl Harbour is instructive as he was performing a purely defensive action protecting his ship and his mates.
    , @Anon
    What you're describing is a post-American White nationalist identity that is arguably undergoing formation now and will in the future. It is not identical to the traditional American identity which is Anglo-Saxon and Protestant and which has been demographically and culturally eclipsed. Most people regard black Americans with roots going back 400 years in the US as American due to the long historical and cultural association. While someone from say an eastern European, Orthodox background whose ancestors migrated in the early 20th century may be part of a White nationalist identity unlike a black American, they're not going to be considered more American than a black American with roots going back 400 years.
    , @Corvinus
    "Actually there is something to it."

    For certain groups of people.

    "Which is why the people on your side of the aisle are in such a tizzy over so called White nationalism and White identity."

    Praytell, what is my side of the aisle? You do realize that a good number of white people of their own volition, of sound mind and body, are not on board with this "white nationalism/white identity" attitude, right? And not because they have been duped by Jews, or are liberal extremists, but because they employ logic and reason as the means to counter your assertions.

    "If there were no chance for such unity, no one would pay attention to these new movements."

    There is a chance for unity among those who feel the way that you do, which is fine. But for normies in general, they'll pass.

    "But because the notion of a somewhat unified White voting bloc scares the hell out them..."

    So now you are using the qualifier "somewhat"?

    "What American history has shown is that the peoples of Europe, though different in culture, customs and language, can relatively quickly be brought together once they’ve adopted a common language and customs."

    Indeed, but just not together in the way that you prefer.

    "It’s actually very remarkable that so many ethnic Europeans, who had been in conflict for centuries, were able in a few generations to live side by side in the USA."

    It's actually very remarkable that so many races and ethnicities and religions, which have been in conflict for centuries, were able in a few generations--about 60 to 80 year--to live side by side in the USA.

    "Though they have been present here for 400 years, they have yet to fully assimilate or be accepted by their fellow citizens."

    Of course they have been fully assimilated and are generally accepted by their fellow citizens.

    "The fact that you point out how low some Europeans were regarded when they arrived, and how quickly they were accepted, only goes to show how close Europeans really are."

    No, it just showed how Americans, who are essentially mutts, are able to bridge significant cultural and language barriers.

    "As opposed to blacks and other non-whites who still think of themselves as outsiders generations after having come here."

    In what way do they view themselves as "outsiders"?
  211. @Mr. Anon
    FOX News is making a big deal out of the 75th aniversary of D-Day. A lot of talk about the brave men who stormed Omaha beach only to be cut down by machinegun fire before they got out of their boats. Which sounds like a case if bad generalship to me. Americans used to sneer at Douglas Haig for being so profligate with the lives of the men under his command, but I guess - as with all things - when Americans do it, it's okay. Maybe the invasion planners should have thought that through better. (The other beach landings went off much better).

    Anyway, what struck me was the way all the journos and pundits talked about this historical event. We were fighting "the Nazis". People were killed by "Nazi soldiers" firing "Nazi machineguns" from emplacements no doubt dug with "Nazi shovels". Nazi, Nazi, Nazi.

    We used to call them "Germans". It was governed by the Nazi regime, but the nation we were at war with was Germany. One wonders if the Germans ever referred to "Democratic Soldiers" firing "Democratic machineguns", given that the U.S. was governed by the Democratic Party.

    The actual generation that fought the war didn't talk that way, and they didn't talk that way because they didn't think that way. FOX's nazi-talk is a symptom of the cartoonification of history that the modern, stupider, America is prone too.

    A lot of talk about the brave men who stormed Omaha beach only to be cut down by machinegun fire before they got out of their boats. Which sounds like a case if bad generalship to me.

    The first wave was supposed to have supporting tanks with them, but they all sank before they reached the shore.

  212. @istevefan

    Would Jesus have cared if his followers were from a different race? How about God?
     
    Jesus, no. But God, that's a different story. In the Old Testament God appears somewhat prejudiced against the non Jews. So much so that on a few occasions he punishes the Jews for not slaughtering everybody in a city that he designated for them to smote.

    Jesus had the ethnic prejudices of his fellow Israelites . He referred to Phoenicians and Greek gentiles as a race of dogs. But softened somewhat when a Phoenician woman insisted that he treat her daughter and complied. Could just be that he was having an off day as when he cursed the fig tree for not bearing fruit and was captured in tabloid form for posterity as is the wont of the Biblical authors all the way from Genesis. Say what you want about the Hebrews ,they werent shy about recording their warts.

  213. anon[314] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Gehngis Kahn
     
    Is he some Jewish figure of note?

    Genghis Kahn (born Norman Rosenblatt, c. 1162 – August 18, 1227) was the founder and first Great Kahn of the Mongol Empire, which became the largest contiguous empire in history after his death. He came to power by uniting many of the nomadic tribes of Northeast Asia. After founding the Empire and being proclaimed “Genghis Kahn”, he launched the Mongol invasions that conquered most of Eurasia. Campaigns initiated in his lifetime include those against the Qara Khitai, Caucasus, and Khwarazmian, Western Xia and Jin dynasties. These campaigns were often accompanied by large-scale massacres of the civilian populations – especially in the Khwarazmian and Western Xia controlled lands. By the end of his life, the Mongol Empire occupied a substantial portion of Central Asia and China.

  214. @istevefan

    So much for white unity…
     
    Actually there is something to it. Which is why the people on your side of the aisle are in such a tizzy over so called White nationalism and White identity. If there were no chance for such unity, no one would pay attention to these new movements. But because the notion of a somewhat unified White voting bloc scares the hell out them, they are tying to pounce before the movement gets off the ground.

    What American history has shown is that the peoples of Europe, though different in culture, customs and language, can relatively quickly be brought together once they've adopted a common language and customs. It's actually very remarkable that so many ethnic Europeans, who had been in conflict for centuries, were able in a few generations to live side by side in the USA.

    Contrast this to the experience of Africans. Though they have been present here for 400 years, they have yet to fully assimilate or be accepted by their fellow citizens.

    The fact that you point out how low some Europeans were regarded when they arrived, and how quickly they were accepted, only goes to show how close Europeans really are. As opposed to blacks and other non-whites who still think of themselves as outsiders generations after having come here.

    The fact that you point out how low some Europeans were regarded when they arrived, and how quickly they were accepted, only goes to show how close Europeans really are. As opposed to blacks and other non-whites who still think of themselves as outsiders generations after having come here.

    Dunno about others but blacks certainly dont think of themselves as outsiders at all. No one expressed any interest in Africa like Latinos praise Mexico and Puerto Rico, lunatic IRA supporters in Boston and I need not mention a tribe’s love for a certain falafel munching country. Since their culture and language were severed from Africa, their roots ,customs and habits are tied to mostly the south eastern and Eastern seaboard. They may not do well at assimilation but this type of ahem knee jerk take a knee anti nationalism is new. You underestimate the humble role of home in nationalism. As for their lack of vigour in WWII and Vietnam, would you fight in a faraway land in a country that actively discriminated against you if there was no immediate threat to your home or person. The case of that black cook on Pearl Harbour is instructive as he was performing a purely defensive action protecting his ship and his mates.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    No one expressed any interest in Africa
     
    Blacks have been awakening their interest in Africa as noted by the popularity of the miniseries Roots. Additionally the Kwanzaa thing and kente cloth seem to emit an African vibe. There was, or perhaps still is, the Afrocentrism movement in public education.

    As for their lack of vigour in WWII and Vietnam, would you fight in a faraway land in a country that actively discriminated against you if there was no immediate threat to your home or person.
     
    Probably not. But doesn't this reaffirm my point of view that Europeans, no matter how lowly they were looked upon, were accepted into the fold once they crossed the language hurdle, while Africans were not? You can argue that it was the Europeans at fault for not accepting the Africans, or it was the Africans fault for not assimilating to the dominant culture. But the point is Europeans of all stripes are much closer to one another than they are to non Europeans. And once the business of sharing a common language is accomplished, have a much better chance of becoming tighter with one another than they do with non Europeans.
  215. @Reg Cæsar

    Mussolini like them Jews and had Jewish advisors and followers.
     
    The Japanese didn't appreciate being told what to do with the Jews in their realm, either.


    There can be little doubt for whom Benito Garozzo was named in 1927. Bridge nut Michael Ledeen used benito in his e-mail address. I'd be surprised if power shufflers Bill Gates and Warren Buffett don't know him, too.

    Whats the obsession of Western elites with bridge? Is it really that cerebral? Or is it just a status signifier? Omar Sharif became a hero to the literati not just due to his dark good looks, pretentious choice of film and diversity points but that he was a bridge champion.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Omar Sharif became a hero to the literati not just due to his dark good looks, pretentious choice of film and diversity points but that he was a bridge champion.
     
    He wrote a syndicated column on the subject, too.

    Bridge columns are printed next to chess columns. I understand the latter, but don't know the first thing about the latter. I'll still read them because they help me get to sleep.

    Perhaps the Casper Sleep Channel could make that their next post?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DvlgV3DUUs
  216. @Corvinus
    David Brooks is absolutely correct. People at that time did not specifically designate themselves as being "white" or "black".

    Would Jesus have cared if his followers were from a different race? How about God?

    Per usual, you require a history lesson. The "new immigrants" which came to our nation from 1880-1920 represented a frightening diversity to nativists. The difference perceived in these immigrants was frequently described as a racial difference in which Europeans were represented "races" identified by region (e.g. Alpine, Mediterranean, Slavic, Nordic). Madison Grant explained in his book "The Passing of the Great Race" that White Americans, the "great race", were losing out to hordes of inferior European immigrants.

    According to Grant, "These new immigrants were no longer exclusively members of the Nordic race as were the earlier ones...The transportation lines advertised America as a land flowing with milk and honey and the European governments took the opportunity to unload upon careless, wealthy and hospitable America the sweepings of their jails and asylums...Our jails, insane asylums and almshouses are filled with this human flotsam and the whole tone of American life, social, moral and political has been lowered and vulgarized by them."

    So much for white unity...

    …were losing out to hordes of inferior European immigrants.

    …were losing out to hordes of [underpriced] European immigrants.

    Fixed it. That’s what it is all about, then and now.

    Except now they’re underunderpriced, and rarely European.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    Inferior AND underpriced European immigrants. I concur.
  217. @Buffalo Joe
    njguy, DiMaggio's father had his fishing boat confiscated in WWII because he was Italian. Read "Five Points" by Tyler Anbinder or "An Unlikely Union" by Paul Moses for an accurate account of Irish and Italian acceptance as immigrants in the US.

    I didn’t write that the Irish or Italians didn’t face discrimination of any kind. I wrote that they weren’t subject to Jim Crow.

  218. @syonredux
    Birth Name: Alphonso Joseph D’Abruzzo

    Place of Birth: The Bronx, New York City, New York, U.S.

    Date of Birth: January 28, 1936

    Ethnicity:
    *Italian (father)
    *Irish (mother)

    Alan Alda is an American actor, director, screenwriter, comedian, and author. He is the son of Robert Alda (born Alphonso Giuseppe Giovanni Roberto D’Abruzzo), an actor and singer, and Joan Alda (born Joan Browne), a beauty pageant winner. His father was of Italian descent and his mother was of Irish ancestry. Alan is married to musician, photographer, and writer Arlene Alda, with whom he has three children.

    Alan’s paternal grandfather was Antonio “Anthony” D’Abruzzo (the son of Alfonso/Alphonzo D’Abruzzo and Annina Ferrara). Antonio was Italian, and was born in Sant’Agata de’ Goti, Province of Benevento, Campania.

    Alan’s paternal grandmother was Frances Tumillo (the daughter of James Tummillo and Elizabeth Moggio). Frances was born in New York, to Italian parents.

    Alan’s maternal grandfather was Michael Francis Brown (the son of James Brown and Jane White). James was born in Ireland. Jane was born in Pennsylvania, to Irish parents, Michael White and Catherine.

    Alan’s maternal grandmother was Agnes C. Dugan (the daughter of Patrick Dugan/Duggan and Jane/Joanna/Joana McDevitt/McDade). Agnes was born in Delaware, to Irish parents. Patrick was the son of Patrick Dugan and Mary Corrigan/Kerrigan. Jane was the daughter of James McDade/McDevitt and Jane Conner/Connor.

    https://ethnicelebs.com/alan-alda

    So Alda is part White and part Brown. Sounds like a pub mix, eg, Guinness and crème de cacao.

  219. @Tim
    Well, I went to public school, so the only thing I know about WW II is that it all started when we interned the Japanese Americans in concentration camps, and it ended when the Tuskegee Airmen killed Hitler.

    Am I wrong?

    Dumbass. It started when the Jair dropped a nuke on Pearl Harbor.
    Just ask Obama’s pastor.

  220. By emerging consensus among academic and political elites, every man in that photograph was the beneficiary of systemic racism (“they’re all white”) sexism (“they’re all male”) and oppression (“they’re all from colonizing and occupying nations”) and are now no better than the Nazis they fought, and because all white people are Nazis.

  221. @Cagey Beast
    Don't forget that Italy was also part of the Axis. Italians were not considered White until years later, when Alan Alda had appeared on TV for a few hit seasons of MASH.

    LOL.

  222. @Dr Van Nostrand
    Hitler praised Mussolini's appearance as a robust alpine type with refined features and borrowed much of Nazi paegentry, parades and style from the Italians. Hitler due to Mussolinis' propaganda had been convinced initally that the Italian army were the hardy ,discipline heirs of the Romans . He found that was not the case the hard way.
    Hitler was also frustrated about Mussolini dragging his feet on the Final Solution. Mussolini like them Jews and had Jewish advisors and followers. Elie Wiesel singled out Mussolini for special praise. Spoke of him in righteous gentile terms.

    Well the Ashkenazi are 50-55% Italian ancestry, so compadres of Benito.

    Interestingly “Italian Jews” are a thing that are separate from both AJs and Italian Sephardi, though they barely exist in pure form anymore.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    They have mostly German names though rather than Italian.
  223. On a much lessor note, here’s the guys that were instrumental in developing the Raspberry Pi. Despite England being ‘enriched’ and the tech sector (at least in the USA, not so much in UK) being swamped by South Asians, arguably the greatest advance in consumer computing in the last decade is due to stale pale males.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    The Raspberry Pi guys originally thought they would sell maybe 5000.

    They have sold 25,000,000. So far.
  224. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Well, Zoroastrianism doesn't sound half bad.

    “Well, Zoroastrianism doesn’t sound half bad.”

    The Zoroastrians would disagree and say *exactly* half bad.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Haha. Very droll. Seriously the theology of Zoroastrianism and its philosophical cousin Manichaesm is childish nonsense which had infected Christianity and Islam as well.How can you make sense of the world purely in terms of good and evil and nothing in between?
  225. @Lot
    Well the Ashkenazi are 50-55% Italian ancestry, so compadres of Benito.

    Interestingly “Italian Jews” are a thing that are separate from both AJs and Italian Sephardi, though they barely exist in pure form anymore.

    They have mostly German names though rather than Italian.

  226. @Lot
    “Well, Zoroastrianism doesn’t sound half bad.”

    The Zoroastrians would disagree and say *exactly* half bad.

    Haha. Very droll. Seriously the theology of Zoroastrianism and its philosophical cousin Manichaesm is childish nonsense which had infected Christianity and Islam as well.How can you make sense of the world purely in terms of good and evil and nothing in between?

  227. Anon[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan
    The BBC's World at War came out around 1970, twenty-five years after the war. So it included interviews of many of the important participants. It was also a time before PC. Can you imagine a general stating what Clark said in this day and age? He'd be pilloried for even suggesting that diversity is not a strength. But Clark was correct. And he was correct to point out it was not just a diversity of peoples that was a handicap, but a diversity of weapons and supply chain items too.

    Ok, but what was ultimately decisive in the war wasn’t the homogeneity of troops. That’s why the Axis lost, and why the Central Powers lost in WW1. It was basically the enormous manpower and resources available to global empires and an international alliance. Peter Frost is hardly PC and explains here:

    https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2018/12/rise-of-west.html

    The benefits included not only more wealth but also more military power. During the American Civil War, the North benefitted not only from a greater capacity to produce arms and ammunition but also from a more extensive railway system and a larger pool of recruits, including young migrants of diverse origins—one in four members of the Union army was an immigrant (Doyle 2015).

    During the First World War, Britain and France could likewise draw on not only their own manpower but also that of their colonies and elsewhere. France recruited half a million African soldiers to fight in Europe, and Britain over a million Indian troops to fight in Europe, the Middle East, and East Africa (Koller 2014; Wikipedia 2018b). An additional 300,000 laborers were brought to Europe and the Middle East for non-combat roles from China, Egypt, India, and South Africa (Wikipedia 2018a). In contrast, the Central Powers had to rely almost entirely on their own human resources. The Allied powers thus turned a European civil war into a truly global conflict.

    The same imbalance developed during the Second World War. The Allies could produce arms and ammunition in greater quantities and far from enemy attack in North America, India, and South Africa, while recruiting large numbers of soldiers overseas. More than a million African soldiers fought for Britain and France, their contribution being particularly critical to the Burma campaign, the Italian campaign, and the invasion of southern France (Krinninger and Mwanamilongo 2015; Wikipedia 2018c). Meanwhile, India provided over 2.5 million soldiers, who fought in North Africa, Europe, and Asia (Wikipedia 2018d). India also produced armaments and resources for the war effort, notably coal, iron ore, and steel.

    Liberalism thus succeeded not so much in the battle of ideas as on the actual battlefield.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    More than a million African soldiers fought for Britain and France,
     
    This needs amplification....

    their contribution being particularly critical to the Burma campaign,
     
    Quasi-important

    the Italian campaign,
     
    Waste of time and materiel

    and the invasion of southern France (Krinninger and Mwanamilongo 2015; Wikipedia 2018c).
     
    Not quite the same thing as the Normandy Invasion...

    Meanwhile, India provided over 2.5 million soldiers, who fought in North Africa, Europe, and Asia (Wikipedia 2018d).
     
    Again, what does that mean?How important were they in each of those theatres? In terms of Europe, they seem to have been of some importance in the Italian Campaign, but, as noted above, that was a waste of time and materiel...

    India also produced armaments and resources for the war effort, notably coal, iron ore, and steel.
     
    And how do those contributions compare to what was supplied by the USA and the White Dominions (Canada, Australia, NZ)?

    Liberalism thus succeeded not so much in the battle of ideas as on the actual battlefield.

     

    Yes, the ultimate test:

    "War is the father and king of all: some he has made gods, and some men; some slaves and some free."
    , @istevefan

    Ok, but what was ultimately decisive in the war wasn’t the homogeneity of troops. That’s why the Axis lost, and why the Central Powers lost in WW1. It was basically the enormous manpower and resources available to global empires and an international alliance.
     
    First, let's not overlook the significance of the American commander of that campaign admitting to the advantage of homogeneity. He obviously knew why we won. He was there and was a major planner. Yet he still saw the advantage of homogeneity. All of us amateurs speculate. But Mark Clark was the real deal.

    Second, there is truth in what you wrote. But let's not forget the geographic disadvantage Germany and Japan faced. In a long struggle, against too many enemies, they were at a serious disadvantage in getting necessary resources.

    Poor strategic decisions also came into play. For example, had Japan stopped being on the offensive prior to her devastating loss at Midway in June 1942, she very well could have become ensconced in her massive possessions, and it would have been extremely hard for the US to have broken through to attack her. But after suffering a massive loss of carriers and the associated pilots and planes, she was on the defensive.

    Germany could have also paused at some point. In 1941 they made massive progress into the western USSR. Then they stalled out trying to take Moscow. Of course this resulted in the end of their initial momentum and the beginning of the red surge. What would have happened had they stopped somewhere in western USSR and just began to consolidate their gains? Ditto for what they had in the rest of Europe?

    Both Germany and Japan at one point had control over a tremendous amount of territory. But rather than trying to hold onto it, they kept going on the offensive until they ran out of steam. It's obviously just speculation, but it does seem they could have become a much tougher nut to crack had they consolidated those gains. But both had the mentality that they had to completely knock out the other side and so they kept pushing and eventually came up short.

  228. Anon[193] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    So much for white unity…
     
    Actually there is something to it. Which is why the people on your side of the aisle are in such a tizzy over so called White nationalism and White identity. If there were no chance for such unity, no one would pay attention to these new movements. But because the notion of a somewhat unified White voting bloc scares the hell out them, they are tying to pounce before the movement gets off the ground.

    What American history has shown is that the peoples of Europe, though different in culture, customs and language, can relatively quickly be brought together once they've adopted a common language and customs. It's actually very remarkable that so many ethnic Europeans, who had been in conflict for centuries, were able in a few generations to live side by side in the USA.

    Contrast this to the experience of Africans. Though they have been present here for 400 years, they have yet to fully assimilate or be accepted by their fellow citizens.

    The fact that you point out how low some Europeans were regarded when they arrived, and how quickly they were accepted, only goes to show how close Europeans really are. As opposed to blacks and other non-whites who still think of themselves as outsiders generations after having come here.

    What you’re describing is a post-American White nationalist identity that is arguably undergoing formation now and will in the future. It is not identical to the traditional American identity which is Anglo-Saxon and Protestant and which has been demographically and culturally eclipsed. Most people regard black Americans with roots going back 400 years in the US as American due to the long historical and cultural association. While someone from say an eastern European, Orthodox background whose ancestors migrated in the early 20th century may be part of a White nationalist identity unlike a black American, they’re not going to be considered more American than a black American with roots going back 400 years.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    What you’re describing is a post-American White nationalist identity that is arguably undergoing formation now and will in the future.
     
    Hardly post-American; it's the White Anglo-American identity, the end-result of the inter-mixing of European ethnies in the Anglo-American crucible.

    It is not identical to the traditional American identity which is Anglo-Saxon and Protestant and which has been demographically and culturally eclipsed.
     
    Nah, the old WASP republic provides the crucible; it shapes and molds.

    Most people regard black Americans with roots going back 400 years in the US as American due to the long historical and cultural association. While someone from say an eastern European, Orthodox background whose ancestors migrated in the early 20th century may be part of a White nationalist identity unlike a black American, they’re not going to be considered more American than a black American with roots going back 400 years.
     
    Separate identities. You've got White Anglo-America and Black America. Very different things:


    https://archaeologyofcontact.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/monticello.jpg


    https://artseer.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/mw03436.jpg


    http://stargayzing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Frank-Sinatra.jpg



    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-g6jG1lk36hY/U4h9bmVbB0I/AAAAAAABbY0/EvOTbBAmYtU/s600/Howard-Hawks-2.jpg




    http://thegreatwesternmovies.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Hondo_01.jpg


    Vs

    https://dailynorthwestern.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/COATES_TA-NEHISI_MCT-900x765.jpg


    https://www.marocsmile.com/upload/411/9f5c07707a1145e059cc6bdd2ff485a8.jpg

    https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/spike-lee-filmmakers-reunite-netflix.jpg


    https://rhystranter.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/toni-morrison-portrait.jpg
  229. @RH
    You are getting a little sloppy, Steve. There are not only generals in the photo, but two air marshals (RAF) and an admiral, although I cannot tell which navy he is a member of. Also, although Overlord was a success, there were plenty of monumental fiascos connected with it, unfortunately.

    There are not only generals in the photo, but two air marshals (RAF) and an admiral, although I cannot tell which navy he is a member of.

    Admiral Sir Bertram Ramsey, Royal Navy. He died in a plane crash in January 1945.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertram_Ramsay

  230. @Expletive Deleted

    "In the Second World War there were no fewer than 40 Gurkha Battalions in British Service, as well as parachute, garrison and training units. In all this total sum amounted to 112,000 men. Side by side with British and Commonwealth troops Gurkhas fought in Syria, the Western Desert, Italy and Greece, from North Malaya to Singapore and from the Siamese Border back through Burma to Imphal and then forward to Rangoon"
     
    Casualties not readily available, as they were listed as British Army. And I'd swap every cranky, cadging Person of Diversity in the Kingdom for any number of Nepalis, in a heartbeat.

    There were 16000 Maoris as well in with the Kiwis, in their own brigades. Some even fought at Thermopylae!
    Against Panzers.

    And I’d swap every cranky, cadging Person of Diversity in the Kingdom for any number of Nepalis, in a heartbeat.

    It’s worth noting that twelve Gurkhas were awarded Victoria Crosses for valor, of the one hundred and eighty two awarded in total during WWII.

    That’s extraordinary, given the relatively small number of Gurkhas in the British and Commonwealth forces in that war, about one percent of the total.

  231. @Anon
    Ok, but what was ultimately decisive in the war wasn't the homogeneity of troops. That's why the Axis lost, and why the Central Powers lost in WW1. It was basically the enormous manpower and resources available to global empires and an international alliance. Peter Frost is hardly PC and explains here:

    https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2018/12/rise-of-west.html

    The benefits included not only more wealth but also more military power. During the American Civil War, the North benefitted not only from a greater capacity to produce arms and ammunition but also from a more extensive railway system and a larger pool of recruits, including young migrants of diverse origins—one in four members of the Union army was an immigrant (Doyle 2015).

    During the First World War, Britain and France could likewise draw on not only their own manpower but also that of their colonies and elsewhere. France recruited half a million African soldiers to fight in Europe, and Britain over a million Indian troops to fight in Europe, the Middle East, and East Africa (Koller 2014; Wikipedia 2018b). An additional 300,000 laborers were brought to Europe and the Middle East for non-combat roles from China, Egypt, India, and South Africa (Wikipedia 2018a). In contrast, the Central Powers had to rely almost entirely on their own human resources. The Allied powers thus turned a European civil war into a truly global conflict.

    The same imbalance developed during the Second World War. The Allies could produce arms and ammunition in greater quantities and far from enemy attack in North America, India, and South Africa, while recruiting large numbers of soldiers overseas. More than a million African soldiers fought for Britain and France, their contribution being particularly critical to the Burma campaign, the Italian campaign, and the invasion of southern France (Krinninger and Mwanamilongo 2015; Wikipedia 2018c). Meanwhile, India provided over 2.5 million soldiers, who fought in North Africa, Europe, and Asia (Wikipedia 2018d). India also produced armaments and resources for the war effort, notably coal, iron ore, and steel.

    Liberalism thus succeeded not so much in the battle of ideas as on the actual battlefield.
     

    More than a million African soldiers fought for Britain and France,

    This needs amplification….

    their contribution being particularly critical to the Burma campaign,

    Quasi-important

    the Italian campaign,

    Waste of time and materiel

    and the invasion of southern France (Krinninger and Mwanamilongo 2015; Wikipedia 2018c).

    Not quite the same thing as the Normandy Invasion…

    Meanwhile, India provided over 2.5 million soldiers, who fought in North Africa, Europe, and Asia (Wikipedia 2018d).

    Again, what does that mean?How important were they in each of those theatres? In terms of Europe, they seem to have been of some importance in the Italian Campaign, but, as noted above, that was a waste of time and materiel…

    India also produced armaments and resources for the war effort, notably coal, iron ore, and steel.

    And how do those contributions compare to what was supplied by the USA and the White Dominions (Canada, Australia, NZ)?

    Liberalism thus succeeded not so much in the battle of ideas as on the actual battlefield.

    Yes, the ultimate test:

    “War is the father and king of all: some he has made gods, and some men; some slaves and some free.”

    • Replies: @istevefan

    Not quite the same thing as the Normandy Invasion…
     
    Correct. It was so important or unimportant, that we don't even commemorate it. In fact outside of a tiny handful of WW2 history buffs, I'd wager that 98 percent of the general population doesn't even realize we invaded southern France.
    , @Lagertha
    No, he was masterful in WW2. He kept people from certain death.
  232. @Lot
    Probably a better world, but the counter argument is that Christendom was ripe for invasion from 400-1100AD, and if it hadn’t been the Arabs it would have been a Turkic, Persian, Mongol, etc invasion.

    Well, more like 400-800 AD. No big invasions of mainland Europe afterwards until the Turks. (Ol’ Genghis didn’t have the terrain to take most of Europe.) Remember, by 1000 we’d finally recovered from the Carolingian collapse.

  233. @Lagertha
    Someday, I will talk about the "insurance policy" we had ( my grandpa made): but, I adore opera, so, suffer if you are so inclined...or enjoy: https://youtu.be/d2rfC3YMboM

    “Someday, I will talk about the “insurance policy” we had ( my grandpa made)”

    Grandpa bury some rifles in the woods in case the Soviets decided to occupy all of Finland in ‘44?

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    hahhahhahhaaaaaaa the world is full of evil people...and my grandfather knew it.
  234. @Anon
    What you're describing is a post-American White nationalist identity that is arguably undergoing formation now and will in the future. It is not identical to the traditional American identity which is Anglo-Saxon and Protestant and which has been demographically and culturally eclipsed. Most people regard black Americans with roots going back 400 years in the US as American due to the long historical and cultural association. While someone from say an eastern European, Orthodox background whose ancestors migrated in the early 20th century may be part of a White nationalist identity unlike a black American, they're not going to be considered more American than a black American with roots going back 400 years.

    What you’re describing is a post-American White nationalist identity that is arguably undergoing formation now and will in the future.

    Hardly post-American; it’s the White Anglo-American identity, the end-result of the inter-mixing of European ethnies in the Anglo-American crucible.

    It is not identical to the traditional American identity which is Anglo-Saxon and Protestant and which has been demographically and culturally eclipsed.

    Nah, the old WASP republic provides the crucible; it shapes and molds.

    Most people regard black Americans with roots going back 400 years in the US as American due to the long historical and cultural association. While someone from say an eastern European, Orthodox background whose ancestors migrated in the early 20th century may be part of a White nationalist identity unlike a black American, they’re not going to be considered more American than a black American with roots going back 400 years.

    Separate identities. You’ve got White Anglo-America and Black America. Very different things:

    Vs

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Are cowboys considered WASPs? Dont they mostly identify as Scots Irish. The original cowboys were Hispanic even black. The lines between whites and blacks cultures are blurred considerably in the south.
    , @Anonymous
    When you mix things, you make something new. The inter-mixing of European ethnies has been and is creating a new White nationalist identity.

    There was a concrete, historical Anglo-Saxon, Protestant identity and sense of nationhood in the US that persisted into the early 20th century. It was conscious of itself and distinguished itself from other European ethnies. But for almost a century now, it's been in decline, and has been and is being subsumed by demographic and cultural trends into European and non-European ehtnies.

    Andrew Fraser wrote a good book on this called The Wasp Question:

    https://www.amazon.com/Wasp-Question-Andrew-Fraser/dp/1907166297
  235. @Anon
    Ok, but what was ultimately decisive in the war wasn't the homogeneity of troops. That's why the Axis lost, and why the Central Powers lost in WW1. It was basically the enormous manpower and resources available to global empires and an international alliance. Peter Frost is hardly PC and explains here:

    https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2018/12/rise-of-west.html

    The benefits included not only more wealth but also more military power. During the American Civil War, the North benefitted not only from a greater capacity to produce arms and ammunition but also from a more extensive railway system and a larger pool of recruits, including young migrants of diverse origins—one in four members of the Union army was an immigrant (Doyle 2015).

    During the First World War, Britain and France could likewise draw on not only their own manpower but also that of their colonies and elsewhere. France recruited half a million African soldiers to fight in Europe, and Britain over a million Indian troops to fight in Europe, the Middle East, and East Africa (Koller 2014; Wikipedia 2018b). An additional 300,000 laborers were brought to Europe and the Middle East for non-combat roles from China, Egypt, India, and South Africa (Wikipedia 2018a). In contrast, the Central Powers had to rely almost entirely on their own human resources. The Allied powers thus turned a European civil war into a truly global conflict.

    The same imbalance developed during the Second World War. The Allies could produce arms and ammunition in greater quantities and far from enemy attack in North America, India, and South Africa, while recruiting large numbers of soldiers overseas. More than a million African soldiers fought for Britain and France, their contribution being particularly critical to the Burma campaign, the Italian campaign, and the invasion of southern France (Krinninger and Mwanamilongo 2015; Wikipedia 2018c). Meanwhile, India provided over 2.5 million soldiers, who fought in North Africa, Europe, and Asia (Wikipedia 2018d). India also produced armaments and resources for the war effort, notably coal, iron ore, and steel.

    Liberalism thus succeeded not so much in the battle of ideas as on the actual battlefield.
     

    Ok, but what was ultimately decisive in the war wasn’t the homogeneity of troops. That’s why the Axis lost, and why the Central Powers lost in WW1. It was basically the enormous manpower and resources available to global empires and an international alliance.

    First, let’s not overlook the significance of the American commander of that campaign admitting to the advantage of homogeneity. He obviously knew why we won. He was there and was a major planner. Yet he still saw the advantage of homogeneity. All of us amateurs speculate. But Mark Clark was the real deal.

    Second, there is truth in what you wrote. But let’s not forget the geographic disadvantage Germany and Japan faced. In a long struggle, against too many enemies, they were at a serious disadvantage in getting necessary resources.

    Poor strategic decisions also came into play. For example, had Japan stopped being on the offensive prior to her devastating loss at Midway in June 1942, she very well could have become ensconced in her massive possessions, and it would have been extremely hard for the US to have broken through to attack her. But after suffering a massive loss of carriers and the associated pilots and planes, she was on the defensive.

    Germany could have also paused at some point. In 1941 they made massive progress into the western USSR. Then they stalled out trying to take Moscow. Of course this resulted in the end of their initial momentum and the beginning of the red surge. What would have happened had they stopped somewhere in western USSR and just began to consolidate their gains? Ditto for what they had in the rest of Europe?

    Both Germany and Japan at one point had control over a tremendous amount of territory. But rather than trying to hold onto it, they kept going on the offensive until they ran out of steam. It’s obviously just speculation, but it does seem they could have become a much tougher nut to crack had they consolidated those gains. But both had the mentality that they had to completely knock out the other side and so they kept pushing and eventually came up short.

  236. @Dr Van Nostrand

    The fact that you point out how low some Europeans were regarded when they arrived, and how quickly they were accepted, only goes to show how close Europeans really are. As opposed to blacks and other non-whites who still think of themselves as outsiders generations after having come here.
     
    Dunno about others but blacks certainly dont think of themselves as outsiders at all. No one expressed any interest in Africa like Latinos praise Mexico and Puerto Rico, lunatic IRA supporters in Boston and I need not mention a tribe's love for a certain falafel munching country. Since their culture and language were severed from Africa, their roots ,customs and habits are tied to mostly the south eastern and Eastern seaboard. They may not do well at assimilation but this type of ahem knee jerk take a knee anti nationalism is new. You underestimate the humble role of home in nationalism. As for their lack of vigour in WWII and Vietnam, would you fight in a faraway land in a country that actively discriminated against you if there was no immediate threat to your home or person. The case of that black cook on Pearl Harbour is instructive as he was performing a purely defensive action protecting his ship and his mates.

    No one expressed any interest in Africa

    Blacks have been awakening their interest in Africa as noted by the popularity of the miniseries Roots. Additionally the Kwanzaa thing and kente cloth seem to emit an African vibe. There was, or perhaps still is, the Afrocentrism movement in public education.

    As for their lack of vigour in WWII and Vietnam, would you fight in a faraway land in a country that actively discriminated against you if there was no immediate threat to your home or person.

    Probably not. But doesn’t this reaffirm my point of view that Europeans, no matter how lowly they were looked upon, were accepted into the fold once they crossed the language hurdle, while Africans were not? You can argue that it was the Europeans at fault for not accepting the Africans, or it was the Africans fault for not assimilating to the dominant culture. But the point is Europeans of all stripes are much closer to one another than they are to non Europeans. And once the business of sharing a common language is accomplished, have a much better chance of becoming tighter with one another than they do with non Europeans.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand

    Blacks have been awakening their interest in Africa as noted by the popularity of the miniseries Roots. Additionally the Kwanzaa thing and kente cloth seem to emit an African vibe. There was, or perhaps still is, the Afrocentrism movement in public education.
     
    Afrocentrism is a top down movement from a few fringe academics . Kwanzaa was invented by the FBI. Roots and wearing daishikis and such were a trend in the 1970s to the early 90s. All these do exist but their heart does not seem to be in it. They simply exist for some flavor. Even black names arent really African but obscure British names from a bygone era such as Tyrone etc. They have a lot more in common with their fellow whites than they do with blacks. Nation of Islam membership which is a kooky organization which is neither nation nor Islam has stagnated.

    Probably not. But doesn’t this reaffirm my point of view that Europeans, no matter how lowly they were looked upon, were accepted into the fold once they crossed the language hurdle, while Africans were not? You can argue that it was the Europeans at fault for not accepting the Africans, or it was the Africans fault for not assimilating to the dominant culture. But the point is Europeans of all stripes are much closer to one another than they are to non Europeans. And once the business of sharing a common language is accomplished, have a much better chance of becoming tighter with one another than they do with non Europeans.
     
    According to Black Rednecks, White Liberals, educated blacks from the north were far more accepted by white society than semi savage crackers from the south who were loathed. Of course the latter got civilized and upwardly mobile they were treated better but even then northern whites prefered the company of blacks until the movement of illiterate and criminal blacks following their white brethern from the south. This was parallel to academic mainstreaming of racist ideas of Madison Grant which gained respectability and hence Jim Crow laws etc which set race relations back from which they are yet to recover. Regarding European camaraderie, the founders were closer to white nationalist ideas of nationhood and immigration quotas rather than the diversity crowd but even they preferred to stay away from European affairs. If it werent for WWII which cemented the "special relationship", Americans were well on their way to permanently distancing themselves from Europe and U.K despite ethnic ties. I dont think people realize how resentful Americans felt for being bamboozled in WWI and the level of animosity against the British prior to WWII. This is not just the Irish and German communities but also WASPish types were lukewarm on participation. There is of course a lot of affection these days for the British but is a result of a nearly 60 year charm offensive the British had conducted on American culture and ingratiated themselves into the media,academia,defense and state departments due to their erudition and willingness to play Greece to America's Rome. Hitchens talks about and occasionally mocks this a great in Blood,Class and Empire.
  237. @syonredux

    More than a million African soldiers fought for Britain and France,
     
    This needs amplification....

    their contribution being particularly critical to the Burma campaign,
     
    Quasi-important

    the Italian campaign,
     
    Waste of time and materiel

    and the invasion of southern France (Krinninger and Mwanamilongo 2015; Wikipedia 2018c).
     
    Not quite the same thing as the Normandy Invasion...

    Meanwhile, India provided over 2.5 million soldiers, who fought in North Africa, Europe, and Asia (Wikipedia 2018d).
     
    Again, what does that mean?How important were they in each of those theatres? In terms of Europe, they seem to have been of some importance in the Italian Campaign, but, as noted above, that was a waste of time and materiel...

    India also produced armaments and resources for the war effort, notably coal, iron ore, and steel.
     
    And how do those contributions compare to what was supplied by the USA and the White Dominions (Canada, Australia, NZ)?

    Liberalism thus succeeded not so much in the battle of ideas as on the actual battlefield.

     

    Yes, the ultimate test:

    "War is the father and king of all: some he has made gods, and some men; some slaves and some free."

    Not quite the same thing as the Normandy Invasion…

    Correct. It was so important or unimportant, that we don’t even commemorate it. In fact outside of a tiny handful of WW2 history buffs, I’d wager that 98 percent of the general population doesn’t even realize we invaded southern France.

  238. @Dr Van Nostrand

    There are no Amerinds in the Bible
     
    Mitt Romney and his coreligionists disagree.

    And so do I. I’d love to get in on the Indian casino racket.

  239. @Buffalo Joe
    njguy, DiMaggio's father had his fishing boat confiscated in WWII because he was Italian. Read "Five Points" by Tyler Anbinder or "An Unlikely Union" by Paul Moses for an accurate account of Irish and Italian acceptance as immigrants in the US.

    … Irish and Italian acceptance as immigrants in the US.

    Maybe the fresh off the boat Italians and Irish were often not accepted because they weren’t very acceptable? Maybe they had a lot of rough edges and bad attitudes? Maybe one reason immigrant communities got better treatment later on was because their own behaviour improved? That part of the equation is almost always left out.

    • Replies: @Corn
    “Maybe the fresh off the boat Italians and Irish were often not accepted because they weren’t very acceptable? Maybe they had a lot of rough edges and bad attitudes? Maybe one reason immigrant communities got better treatment later on was because their own behaviour improved? That part of the equation is almost always left out.”

    Michael Barone (who’s pretty pro-immigrant) admitted in his book The New Americans that when the Irish came to your town in the 19th century it meant more crime, violence, maybe even an outbreak of cholera (before modern sewage came about). No one talks about that anymore. But some guys in Boston will go on forever about the No Irish Need Apply signs their great grandpa supposedly saw.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Cagey, won't argue with you about the rough edges for some immigrants. Many Irish and Italian immigrants were sent back, but we're good.
  240. @syonredux

    David Brooks is absolutely correct. People at that time did not specifically designate themselves as being “white” or “black”.
     
    Don't be a goon.Here’s Black Classicist Frank Snowden on the topic of race in antiquity:

    Greeks and Romans, well acquainted with their contemporaries, differentiated between the various gradations of color in Mediterranean populations and made it clear that only some of the black- or dark-skinned peoples, those coming from the south of Egypt and the southern fringes of northwest Africa, were Ethiopians, i.e. Negroes. Ethiopians, known as the blackest peoples on earth, became the yardstick by which classical authors measured the color of others. In first century AD, Manilius described Ethiopians as the blackest; Indians, less sunburnt; Egyptians, mildly dark; with Moors the lightest in this color scheme. In other words, to all these peoples–Ethiopians, Indians, Egyptians, and Moors–who were darker than the Greeks and Romans, classical authors applied color-words but it should be emphasized that in general the ancients described only one of these–Ethiopians–as unmistakably Negroid.
     

    The assumption that a majority of the inhabitants of north Africa such as Numidians, Gaetulians, and Moors, were blacks, is also contradicted by the ancient evidence. Classical accounts clearly distinguish between the light-skinned inhabitants of coastal northwest Africa and the darker Ethiopians who lived on the southern fringes of the area. The ancient sources also point to the presence in northwest Africa of mixed black-white types, strongly suggested by names such as Libyoaethiopes (Libyan Ethiopians), Leucoaethiopes (white Ethiopians) and Melanogeatuli (black Gaetulians), a kind of intermediate population, an amalgam of whites and Ethiopians, and by the descriptions of the Garamantes, classified in some classical texts as Ethiopians but distinguished from Ethiopians by others. [15] Classical accounts of the physical features of northwest Africans are amply confirmed by the iconographical evidence. Mosaics, sculpture in the round, and other art objects from northwest Africa depict the inhabitants as predominantly white and portray relatively few blacks,
     
    And here are two Greek writers engaging in a bit of racial comparison:

    Arrian (Indica 6.9)

    The appearance of the inhabitants is also not very different in India and Ethiopia: the southern Indians are rather more like Ethiopians as they are black to look on, and their hair is black; only they are not so snub-nosed or woolly-haired as the Ethiopians; the northern Indians are most like the Egyptians physically.
     
    Strabo Geography 15.1.13

    As for the people of India, those in the south are like the Aethiopians in color, although they are like the rest in respect to countenance and hair (for on account of the humidity of the air their hair does not curl), whereas those in the north are like the Egyptians.
     
    And still more:

    It was a market place to which the Ethiopians bring all the products of their country; and the Egyptians in their turn take them all away and bring to the same spot their own wares of equal value, so bartering what they have got for what they have not. Now the inhabitants of the marches (Nubian/Egyptians border) are not yet fully black but are half-breeds in matter of color, for they are partly not so black as the Ethiopians, yet partly more so than the Egyptians.
     
    Flavius Philostratus: c.170 to c.247,

    The Ethiopians stain the world and depict a race of men steeped in darkness; less sun-burnt are the natives of India; the land of Egypt, flooded by the Nile, darkens bodies more mildly owing to the inundation of its fields: it it a country nearer to us and its moderate climate imparts a medium tone.
     
    – Manilius, Astronomica 4.724

    Would Jesus have cared if his followers were from a different race?
     
    Depends on the passage, dear fellow. In some, he's quite interested in the division between Jew and non-Jew...

    How about God?
     
    Well, he did did display quite a bit of favoritism towards one group....

    Per usual, you require a history lesson. The “new immigrants” which came to our nation from 1880-1920 represented a frightening diversity to nativists. The difference perceived in these immigrants was frequently described as a racial difference in which Europeans were represented “races” identified by region (e.g. Alpine, Mediterranean, Slavic, Nordic). Madison Grant explained in his book “The Passing of the Great Race” that White Americans, the “great race”, were losing out to hordes of inferior European immigrants.
     
    Good thing that I don't base my arguments on the beliefs of Madison Grant....

    Your sources talk about the Greeks making distinctions regarding color and ethnicity, not about the “white race” or the “black race”. Thus while on the one hand the ancient Greeks would certainly consider most foreigners inferior to themselves, some even subhuman, that was not based entirely on biological race, and definitely not on the modern white/black distinction.

    “Depends on the passage, dear fellow. In some, he’s quite interested in the division between Jew and non-Jew…”

    Between ethnicities, not race. Between believers and non-believers, not race.

    “Good thing that I don’t base my arguments on the beliefs of Madison Grant…”

    Exactly why you lost the argument.

    “Well, he did did display quite a bit of favoritism towards one group….”

    For any and all who wish to seek salvation regardless of race.

    “I’m quite sure that lots of Black rapists got away with it…”

    Lots of black and white rapists, you mean.

    “Romans and Greeks are on the Euro-side of the ledger, dear fellow….”

    They did not consider themselves “European”. That is a label affixed to them as a modern usage.

    “Speaking of Black depravity….”

    You mean depravity.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Lots of black and white rapists, you mean.
     
    Why don't you stop presuming to tell other people what they meant, you tiresome little s**t.
    , @syonredux

    Your sources talk about the Greeks making distinctions regarding color and ethnicity, not about the “white race” or the “black race”. Thus while on the one hand the ancient Greeks would certainly consider most foreigners inferior to themselves, some even subhuman, that was not based entirely on biological race, and definitely not on the modern white/black distinction.
     
    Dunno, dear fellow....they certainly seemed to think that Blacks were rather distinctive....

    “Depends on the passage, dear fellow. In some, he’s quite interested in the division between Jew and non-Jew…”

    Between ethnicities, not race.
     
    If that makes you feel better about it.....

    Between believers and non-believers, not race.
     
    .....And with special attention towards Israelite non-believers....

    “Good thing that I don’t base my arguments on the beliefs of Madison Grant…”




    Exactly why you lost the argument.

     

    By not using the arguments of a rather silly man?

    “Well, he did did display quite a bit of favoritism towards one group….”

    For any and all who wish to seek salvation regardless of race.
     
    MMMM, well, except for those pesky Amalekites....

    “I’m quite sure that lots of Black rapists got away with it…”

    Lots of black and white rapists, you mean.
     
    No, I mean Black ones. They have a disproportionately high inclination towards rape....

    “Romans and Greeks are on the Euro-side of the ledger, dear fellow….”

    They did not consider themselves “European”. That is a label affixed to them as a modern usage.
     
    .....And people in West Africa didn't call themselves Africans 2,500 years ago....We know stuff that they didn't....

    “Speaking of Black depravity….”

    You mean depravity.
     
    No, since I'm talking about Blacks, I mean Black depravity....
  241. @istevefan

    Would Jesus have cared if his followers were from a different race? How about God?
     
    Jesus, no. But God, that's a different story. In the Old Testament God appears somewhat prejudiced against the non Jews. So much so that on a few occasions he punishes the Jews for not slaughtering everybody in a city that he designated for them to smote.

    “In the Old Testament God appears somewhat prejudiced against the non Jews. So much so that on a few occasions he punishes the Jews for not slaughtering everybody in a city that he designated for them to smote.”

    You mean those who wrote about God had made that charge. God is all-knowing and all good. He is perfect. Would He seek to discriminate against those who sought salvation? In other words, would He pick one race over another race to enter Heaven?

    • Replies: @syonredux

    In the Old Testament God appears somewhat prejudiced against the non Jews. So much so that on a few occasions he punishes the Jews for not slaughtering everybody in a city that he designated for them to smote.”

    You mean those who wrote about God had made that charge. God is all-knowing and all good. He is perfect. Would He seek to discriminate against those who sought salvation? In other words, would He pick one race over another race to enter Heaven?
     
    So, you just ignore the Bible? OK.
    , @istevefan
    I take it you have never read the Old Testament. Though it is included together with the New Testament in the Bible, it reads quite differently.
  242. @istevefan

    So much for white unity…
     
    Actually there is something to it. Which is why the people on your side of the aisle are in such a tizzy over so called White nationalism and White identity. If there were no chance for such unity, no one would pay attention to these new movements. But because the notion of a somewhat unified White voting bloc scares the hell out them, they are tying to pounce before the movement gets off the ground.

    What American history has shown is that the peoples of Europe, though different in culture, customs and language, can relatively quickly be brought together once they've adopted a common language and customs. It's actually very remarkable that so many ethnic Europeans, who had been in conflict for centuries, were able in a few generations to live side by side in the USA.

    Contrast this to the experience of Africans. Though they have been present here for 400 years, they have yet to fully assimilate or be accepted by their fellow citizens.

    The fact that you point out how low some Europeans were regarded when they arrived, and how quickly they were accepted, only goes to show how close Europeans really are. As opposed to blacks and other non-whites who still think of themselves as outsiders generations after having come here.

    “Actually there is something to it.”

    For certain groups of people.

    “Which is why the people on your side of the aisle are in such a tizzy over so called White nationalism and White identity.”

    Praytell, what is my side of the aisle? You do realize that a good number of white people of their own volition, of sound mind and body, are not on board with this “white nationalism/white identity” attitude, right? And not because they have been duped by Jews, or are liberal extremists, but because they employ logic and reason as the means to counter your assertions.

    “If there were no chance for such unity, no one would pay attention to these new movements.”

    There is a chance for unity among those who feel the way that you do, which is fine. But for normies in general, they’ll pass.

    “But because the notion of a somewhat unified White voting bloc scares the hell out them…”

    So now you are using the qualifier “somewhat”?

    “What American history has shown is that the peoples of Europe, though different in culture, customs and language, can relatively quickly be brought together once they’ve adopted a common language and customs.”

    Indeed, but just not together in the way that you prefer.

    “It’s actually very remarkable that so many ethnic Europeans, who had been in conflict for centuries, were able in a few generations to live side by side in the USA.”

    It’s actually very remarkable that so many races and ethnicities and religions, which have been in conflict for centuries, were able in a few generations–about 60 to 80 year–to live side by side in the USA.

    “Though they have been present here for 400 years, they have yet to fully assimilate or be accepted by their fellow citizens.”

    Of course they have been fully assimilated and are generally accepted by their fellow citizens.

    “The fact that you point out how low some Europeans were regarded when they arrived, and how quickly they were accepted, only goes to show how close Europeans really are.”

    No, it just showed how Americans, who are essentially mutts, are able to bridge significant cultural and language barriers.

    “As opposed to blacks and other non-whites who still think of themselves as outsiders generations after having come here.”

    In what way do they view themselves as “outsiders”?

  243. @Reg Cæsar

    ...were losing out to hordes of inferior European immigrants.
     
    ...were losing out to hordes of [underpriced] European immigrants.

    Fixed it. That's what it is all about, then and now.

    Except now they're underunderpriced, and rarely European.

    Inferior AND underpriced European immigrants. I concur.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Anyone who moves to a country with same-sex marriage is either highly confused, or a total mercenary. "Inferior" is a subjective term, and a relative one as well. We'd be inferior in the Amazonian jungles.

    (Where they don't have same sex marriage, by the way. Noble savages.)



    https://compote.slate.com/images/dcccc053-264c-49e4-94dc-dfd6eb69cd1e.png?width=780&height=520&rect=918x612&offset=167x0
  244. @istevefan

    you didn’t built that.
     
    That's a catchy saying to try to take the wind out of someone's sails who is celebrating their heritage. Do you direct this saying at blacks when they celebrate Black History Month? Do you direct it at Hispanics and Jews when they celebrate their respective history months? Or is it just Europeans you wish to belittle?

    I direct it at people who think that white people created everything while significantly downplaying that they are also borrowers and destroyers.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    In other words, no.
  245. @Dr Van Nostrand
    Whats the obsession of Western elites with bridge? Is it really that cerebral? Or is it just a status signifier? Omar Sharif became a hero to the literati not just due to his dark good looks, pretentious choice of film and diversity points but that he was a bridge champion.

    Omar Sharif became a hero to the literati not just due to his dark good looks, pretentious choice of film and diversity points but that he was a bridge champion.

    He wrote a syndicated column on the subject, too.

    Bridge columns are printed next to chess columns. I understand the latter, but don’t know the first thing about the latter. I’ll still read them because they help me get to sleep.

    Perhaps the Casper Sleep Channel could make that their next post?

  246. Last year the diversity police complained about lack of black actors in the movie “Dunkirk”.

  247. @Corvinus
    Your sources talk about the Greeks making distinctions regarding color and ethnicity, not about the “white race” or the “black race”. Thus while on the one hand the ancient Greeks would certainly consider most foreigners inferior to themselves, some even subhuman, that was not based entirely on biological race, and definitely not on the modern white/black distinction.

    “Depends on the passage, dear fellow. In some, he’s quite interested in the division between Jew and non-Jew…”

    Between ethnicities, not race. Between believers and non-believers, not race.

    “Good thing that I don’t base my arguments on the beliefs of Madison Grant…”

    Exactly why you lost the argument.

    “Well, he did did display quite a bit of favoritism towards one group….”

    For any and all who wish to seek salvation regardless of race.

    “I’m quite sure that lots of Black rapists got away with it…”

    Lots of black and white rapists, you mean.

    “Romans and Greeks are on the Euro-side of the ledger, dear fellow….”

    They did not consider themselves “European”. That is a label affixed to them as a modern usage.

    “Speaking of Black depravity….”

    You mean depravity.

    Lots of black and white rapists, you mean.

    Why don’t you stop presuming to tell other people what they meant, you tiresome little s**t.

  248. @Cagey Beast
    Alan Alda is a WASPified Italian-American. That's why he seems so Jewish.

    Perhaps it is because of who actually wrote most of what he is remembered for having said.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068098/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm

  249. @Corvinus
    Your sources talk about the Greeks making distinctions regarding color and ethnicity, not about the “white race” or the “black race”. Thus while on the one hand the ancient Greeks would certainly consider most foreigners inferior to themselves, some even subhuman, that was not based entirely on biological race, and definitely not on the modern white/black distinction.

    “Depends on the passage, dear fellow. In some, he’s quite interested in the division between Jew and non-Jew…”

    Between ethnicities, not race. Between believers and non-believers, not race.

    “Good thing that I don’t base my arguments on the beliefs of Madison Grant…”

    Exactly why you lost the argument.

    “Well, he did did display quite a bit of favoritism towards one group….”

    For any and all who wish to seek salvation regardless of race.

    “I’m quite sure that lots of Black rapists got away with it…”

    Lots of black and white rapists, you mean.

    “Romans and Greeks are on the Euro-side of the ledger, dear fellow….”

    They did not consider themselves “European”. That is a label affixed to them as a modern usage.

    “Speaking of Black depravity….”

    You mean depravity.

    Your sources talk about the Greeks making distinctions regarding color and ethnicity, not about the “white race” or the “black race”. Thus while on the one hand the ancient Greeks would certainly consider most foreigners inferior to themselves, some even subhuman, that was not based entirely on biological race, and definitely not on the modern white/black distinction.

    Dunno, dear fellow….they certainly seemed to think that Blacks were rather distinctive….

    “Depends on the passage, dear fellow. In some, he’s quite interested in the division between Jew and non-Jew…”

    Between ethnicities, not race.

    If that makes you feel better about it…..

    Between believers and non-believers, not race.

    …..And with special attention towards Israelite non-believers….

    “Good thing that I don’t base my arguments on the beliefs of Madison Grant…”

    Exactly why you lost the argument.

    By not using the arguments of a rather silly man?

    “Well, he did did display quite a bit of favoritism towards one group….”

    For any and all who wish to seek salvation regardless of race.

    MMMM, well, except for those pesky Amalekites….

    “I’m quite sure that lots of Black rapists got away with it…”

    Lots of black and white rapists, you mean.

    No, I mean Black ones. They have a disproportionately high inclination towards rape….

    “Romans and Greeks are on the Euro-side of the ledger, dear fellow….”

    They did not consider themselves “European”. That is a label affixed to them as a modern usage.

    …..And people in West Africa didn’t call themselves Africans 2,500 years ago….We know stuff that they didn’t….

    “Speaking of Black depravity….”

    You mean depravity.

    No, since I’m talking about Blacks, I mean Black depravity….

  250. sb says:

    I’m sure 95% of Americans think that D Day was an overwhelmingly US operation with other nations being fringe participants .
    After all this is largely true for most contemporary US military involvements so maybe it’s a bit understandable that many would think that this state of affairs has long been the case

    Just an observation

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Movies like Saving Private Ryan dont help.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I’m sure 95% of Americans think that D Day was an overwhelmingly US operation with other nations being fringe participants .
     
    Propaganda to prevent the unwashed from figuring out that maybe the Lindberghs were right.

    Just like the anthem at ballgames.

  251. @sb
    I'm sure 95% of Americans think that D Day was an overwhelmingly US operation with other nations being fringe participants .
    After all this is largely true for most contemporary US military involvements so maybe it's a bit understandable that many would think that this state of affairs has long been the case

    Just an observation

    Movies like Saving Private Ryan dont help.

  252. @Old Prude
    Steve, this was too easy. Shooting fish in a barrel. Music, science, technology, philosophy, freedom, liberty and successful human endeavor to secure the advancement there-of. It's all white males except for the outliers (whom modern society obsesses over, in attempt to deny the reality of modern human history). (I can't add making war to the list because diverse folk like Gehngis Kahn have been quite impressive at that savage art, though his aim was not exactly the liberation of Europe).

    Genghis Khan was white.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0161622

    Although many regard the portrait at the National Palace Museum in Taipei, Taiwan, as the depiction most closely resembles Genghis Khan, all existing portraits, including this one, are essentially arbitrary interpretations of Genghis Khan’s appearance by historians living generations after Genghis Khan’s era [2, 6]. Although the factual nature of the statement is controversial, Persian historian Rashid-al-Din reported in his “Jami’s al-tawarikh” written at the start of the 14th century that most Borjigin ancestors of Genghis Khan were tall, long-bearded, red-haired, and bluish green-eyed, suggesting that the Genghis Khan’s male lineage had some Caucasoid-specific genetic features [44]. He also said that Genghis Khan looked just like his ancestors, but Kublai Khan, his grandson, did not inherit his ancestor’s red hair, implying that the addition of Mongoloid-specific alleles for determining hair color to the genetic makeup of Genghis Khan’s Borjigin clan was probably from the grandmother or mother of Kublai Khan, that is, the wife or daughter-in-law of Genghis Khan.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Too speculative. Anyhow not many of those types in Mongolia today.
  253. @istevefan

    No one expressed any interest in Africa
     
    Blacks have been awakening their interest in Africa as noted by the popularity of the miniseries Roots. Additionally the Kwanzaa thing and kente cloth seem to emit an African vibe. There was, or perhaps still is, the Afrocentrism movement in public education.

    As for their lack of vigour in WWII and Vietnam, would you fight in a faraway land in a country that actively discriminated against you if there was no immediate threat to your home or person.
     
    Probably not. But doesn't this reaffirm my point of view that Europeans, no matter how lowly they were looked upon, were accepted into the fold once they crossed the language hurdle, while Africans were not? You can argue that it was the Europeans at fault for not accepting the Africans, or it was the Africans fault for not assimilating to the dominant culture. But the point is Europeans of all stripes are much closer to one another than they are to non Europeans. And once the business of sharing a common language is accomplished, have a much better chance of becoming tighter with one another than they do with non Europeans.

    Blacks have been awakening their interest in Africa as noted by the popularity of the miniseries Roots. Additionally the Kwanzaa thing and kente cloth seem to emit an African vibe. There was, or perhaps still is, the Afrocentrism movement in public education.

    Afrocentrism is a top down movement from a few fringe academics . Kwanzaa was invented by the FBI. Roots and wearing daishikis and such were a trend in the 1970s to the early 90s. All these do exist but their heart does not seem to be in it. They simply exist for some flavor. Even black names arent really African but obscure British names from a bygone era such as Tyrone etc. They have a lot more in common with their fellow whites than they do with blacks. Nation of Islam membership which is a kooky organization which is neither nation nor Islam has stagnated.

    Probably not. But doesn’t this reaffirm my point of view that Europeans, no matter how lowly they were looked upon, were accepted into the fold once they crossed the language hurdle, while Africans were not? You can argue that it was the Europeans at fault for not accepting the Africans, or it was the Africans fault for not assimilating to the dominant culture. But the point is Europeans of all stripes are much closer to one another than they are to non Europeans. And once the business of sharing a common language is accomplished, have a much better chance of becoming tighter with one another than they do with non Europeans.

    According to Black Rednecks, White Liberals, educated blacks from the north were far more accepted by white society than semi savage crackers from the south who were loathed. Of course the latter got civilized and upwardly mobile they were treated better but even then northern whites prefered the company of blacks until the movement of illiterate and criminal blacks following their white brethern from the south. This was parallel to academic mainstreaming of racist ideas of Madison Grant which gained respectability and hence Jim Crow laws etc which set race relations back from which they are yet to recover. Regarding European camaraderie, the founders were closer to white nationalist ideas of nationhood and immigration quotas rather than the diversity crowd but even they preferred to stay away from European affairs. If it werent for WWII which cemented the “special relationship”, Americans were well on their way to permanently distancing themselves from Europe and U.K despite ethnic ties. I dont think people realize how resentful Americans felt for being bamboozled in WWI and the level of animosity against the British prior to WWII. This is not just the Irish and German communities but also WASPish types were lukewarm on participation. There is of course a lot of affection these days for the British but is a result of a nearly 60 year charm offensive the British had conducted on American culture and ingratiated themselves into the media,academia,defense and state departments due to their erudition and willingness to play Greece to America’s Rome. Hitchens talks about and occasionally mocks this a great in Blood,Class and Empire.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    According to Black Rednecks, White Liberals,
     
    Not a good book.
  254. My father emailed me this link with colorized photos of WWII.
    https://www.timesunion.com/news/world/article/Rare-color-footage-brings-D-Day-memories-alive-13904422.php

    Steve must definitely be correct about us losing the war, because, despite being colorized, the people are all white–every single one!

    This was France…

    This is France…

    (Hey, Reg Caesar, these girls haven’t gone on the Atkins Diet!!)

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    They look German. Germany is the Atkins Diet.
  255. @Sam Coulton
    Genghis Khan was white.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0161622

    Although many regard the portrait at the National Palace Museum in Taipei, Taiwan, as the depiction most closely resembles Genghis Khan, all existing portraits, including this one, are essentially arbitrary interpretations of Genghis Khan’s appearance by historians living generations after Genghis Khan’s era [2, 6]. Although the factual nature of the statement is controversial, Persian historian Rashid-al-Din reported in his “Jami’s al-tawarikh” written at the start of the 14th century that most Borjigin ancestors of Genghis Khan were tall, long-bearded, red-haired, and bluish green-eyed, suggesting that the Genghis Khan’s male lineage had some Caucasoid-specific genetic features [44]. He also said that Genghis Khan looked just like his ancestors, but Kublai Khan, his grandson, did not inherit his ancestor’s red hair, implying that the addition of Mongoloid-specific alleles for determining hair color to the genetic makeup of Genghis Khan’s Borjigin clan was probably from the grandmother or mother of Kublai Khan, that is, the wife or daughter-in-law of Genghis Khan.
     

    Too speculative. Anyhow not many of those types in Mongolia today.

  256. @Cagey Beast

    ... Irish and Italian acceptance as immigrants in the US.
     
    Maybe the fresh off the boat Italians and Irish were often not accepted because they weren't very acceptable? Maybe they had a lot of rough edges and bad attitudes? Maybe one reason immigrant communities got better treatment later on was because their own behaviour improved? That part of the equation is almost always left out.

    “Maybe the fresh off the boat Italians and Irish were often not accepted because they weren’t very acceptable? Maybe they had a lot of rough edges and bad attitudes? Maybe one reason immigrant communities got better treatment later on was because their own behaviour improved? That part of the equation is almost always left out.”

    Michael Barone (who’s pretty pro-immigrant) admitted in his book The New Americans that when the Irish came to your town in the 19th century it meant more crime, violence, maybe even an outbreak of cholera (before modern sewage came about). No one talks about that anymore. But some guys in Boston will go on forever about the No Irish Need Apply signs their great grandpa supposedly saw.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Typhoid Mary. Yikes.
  257. @Corvinus
    Inferior AND underpriced European immigrants. I concur.

    Anyone who moves to a country with same-sex marriage is either highly confused, or a total mercenary. “Inferior” is a subjective term, and a relative one as well. We’d be inferior in the Amazonian jungles.

    (Where they don’t have same sex marriage, by the way. Noble savages.)

  258. @Chrisnonymous
    My father emailed me this link with colorized photos of WWII.
    https://www.timesunion.com/news/world/article/Rare-color-footage-brings-D-Day-memories-alive-13904422.php

    Steve must definitely be correct about us losing the war, because, despite being colorized, the people are all white--every single one!

    This was France...

    https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/03/01/71/17571402/3/1024x1024.jpg

    This is France...

    https://www.thelocal.fr/userdata/images/article/70826bdc298cf99d0b7c985643a40b462d4ff1d226fadca094bcf11135e473b3.jpg

    https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2018_12/2375836/180325-voguing-ballroom-dancers-se-117p_965ac39a239ee6a0def0b9a2938a5d27.fit-760w.jpg

    https://www.thelocal.fr/userdata/images/article/072a4ee1e963a46d895fd2c11b4494de6a09b4d5a8f42934289b20ef7f143da6.jpg

    (Hey, Reg Caesar, these girls haven't gone on the Atkins Diet!!)

    They look German. Germany is the Atkins Diet.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Ha, ha, no. Germans eat tons of bread and sweets. (I know. I did a study abroad there.) Carbohydrates + lots of fat and protein is extremely different from just lots of fat and protein. A sausage with a bun is way different from a sausage.

    By the way, I responded to your other comments, but Steve often lravrs my comments hanging in moderation.
  259. @sb
    I'm sure 95% of Americans think that D Day was an overwhelmingly US operation with other nations being fringe participants .
    After all this is largely true for most contemporary US military involvements so maybe it's a bit understandable that many would think that this state of affairs has long been the case

    Just an observation

    I’m sure 95% of Americans think that D Day was an overwhelmingly US operation with other nations being fringe participants .

    Propaganda to prevent the unwashed from figuring out that maybe the Lindberghs were right.

    Just like the anthem at ballgames.

  260. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Well if you start counting the cars on our roads, the Nips won.

    Well if you start counting the cars on our roads, the Nips won.

    True, but qualitative analysis should augment quantitative analysis here.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Ok; then start counting the number of cars (of any make) parked overnight on the street in Amurica that are broken into/stolen by sunup with same in Japan.
  261. @syonredux

    What you’re describing is a post-American White nationalist identity that is arguably undergoing formation now and will in the future.
     
    Hardly post-American; it's the White Anglo-American identity, the end-result of the inter-mixing of European ethnies in the Anglo-American crucible.

    It is not identical to the traditional American identity which is Anglo-Saxon and Protestant and which has been demographically and culturally eclipsed.
     
    Nah, the old WASP republic provides the crucible; it shapes and molds.

    Most people regard black Americans with roots going back 400 years in the US as American due to the long historical and cultural association. While someone from say an eastern European, Orthodox background whose ancestors migrated in the early 20th century may be part of a White nationalist identity unlike a black American, they’re not going to be considered more American than a black American with roots going back 400 years.
     
    Separate identities. You've got White Anglo-America and Black America. Very different things:


    https://archaeologyofcontact.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/monticello.jpg


    https://artseer.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/mw03436.jpg


    http://stargayzing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Frank-Sinatra.jpg



    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-g6jG1lk36hY/U4h9bmVbB0I/AAAAAAABbY0/EvOTbBAmYtU/s600/Howard-Hawks-2.jpg




    http://thegreatwesternmovies.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Hondo_01.jpg


    Vs

    https://dailynorthwestern.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/COATES_TA-NEHISI_MCT-900x765.jpg


    https://www.marocsmile.com/upload/411/9f5c07707a1145e059cc6bdd2ff485a8.jpg

    https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/spike-lee-filmmakers-reunite-netflix.jpg


    https://rhystranter.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/toni-morrison-portrait.jpg

    Are cowboys considered WASPs? Dont they mostly identify as Scots Irish. The original cowboys were Hispanic even black. The lines between whites and blacks cultures are blurred considerably in the south.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Are cowboys considered WASPs? Dont they mostly identify as Scots Irish.
     
    The "Scots-Irish" are actually mostly Scots and English (cf Fischer's work in Albion's Seed). And, yes, they count as WASPs.

    The original cowboys were Hispanic even black.
     
    Maize and potatoes were invented by Amerinds. Italians use tomatoes. Cultures adopt things that they find useful.

    The lines between whites and blacks cultures are blurred considerably in the south.
     
    One of the reasons why they South has been held back. Being surrounded by Black people is bad for you....
  262. @M_Young
    On a much lessor note, here's the guys that were instrumental in developing the Raspberry Pi. Despite England being 'enriched' and the tech sector (at least in the USA, not so much in UK) being swamped by South Asians, arguably the greatest advance in consumer computing in the last decade is due to stale pale males.

    The Raspberry Pi guys originally thought they would sell maybe 5000.

    They have sold 25,000,000. So far.

  263. @Cagey Beast

    ... Irish and Italian acceptance as immigrants in the US.
     
    Maybe the fresh off the boat Italians and Irish were often not accepted because they weren't very acceptable? Maybe they had a lot of rough edges and bad attitudes? Maybe one reason immigrant communities got better treatment later on was because their own behaviour improved? That part of the equation is almost always left out.

    Cagey, won’t argue with you about the rough edges for some immigrants. Many Irish and Italian immigrants were sent back, but we’re good.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  264. @Icy Blast
    Alan Alda is Jewish. And the Italians I met in Germany looked white to me - many of them had blonde hair. Must have been Lombards.

    Icy, My mother’s family all from Northern Italy. Her brothers could have past for Poles. My eyes are green, my mother’s are grey. My dark hair from my father’s side which is Sicilian.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Bill Kauffman's Italian grandmother was from the far north of Italy, and called herself "almost Swiss".
  265. @Mr. Anon
    FOX News is making a big deal out of the 75th aniversary of D-Day. A lot of talk about the brave men who stormed Omaha beach only to be cut down by machinegun fire before they got out of their boats. Which sounds like a case if bad generalship to me. Americans used to sneer at Douglas Haig for being so profligate with the lives of the men under his command, but I guess - as with all things - when Americans do it, it's okay. Maybe the invasion planners should have thought that through better. (The other beach landings went off much better).

    Anyway, what struck me was the way all the journos and pundits talked about this historical event. We were fighting "the Nazis". People were killed by "Nazi soldiers" firing "Nazi machineguns" from emplacements no doubt dug with "Nazi shovels". Nazi, Nazi, Nazi.

    We used to call them "Germans". It was governed by the Nazi regime, but the nation we were at war with was Germany. One wonders if the Germans ever referred to "Democratic Soldiers" firing "Democratic machineguns", given that the U.S. was governed by the Democratic Party.

    The actual generation that fought the war didn't talk that way, and they didn't talk that way because they didn't think that way. FOX's nazi-talk is a symptom of the cartoonification of history that the modern, stupider, America is prone too.

    Mr. Anon, “D-Day” by Stephen Ambrose is a good read. High rates of loss were expected. The landing craft, built by the Higgins Boat Works in New Orleans were plywood. The front ramp was thin steel. I would recommend a visit to the D-Day Museum if you visit New Orleans. My WWII uncles called them Krauts. My dad served in the Pacific against the Japs.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    High rates of loss were expected.
     
    Yes - obviously - by people who themselves would not be dying that day. Rank has it's privileges. Not having one's life thrown away as cannon-fodder being one of them.
  266. @Reg Cæsar
    They look German. Germany is the Atkins Diet.

    Ha, ha, no. Germans eat tons of bread and sweets. (I know. I did a study abroad there.) Carbohydrates + lots of fat and protein is extremely different from just lots of fat and protein. A sausage with a bun is way different from a sausage.

    By the way, I responded to your other comments, but Steve often lravrs my comments hanging in moderation.

  267. @Reg Cæsar

    Well if you start counting the cars on our roads, the Nips won.
     
    True, but qualitative analysis should augment quantitative analysis here.

    Ok; then start counting the number of cars (of any make) parked overnight on the street in Amurica that are broken into/stolen by sunup with same in Japan.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Hondas and Toyotas are the most stolen cars in the US because the road/yard ratio is so high even after 20 years. We finally traded our 20-year-old Odyssey in to the tech school we got it from because even though it ran fine, parts were hard to come by. I'm sure the school dismantled it for that very reason.
  268. @Corvinus
    I direct it at people who think that white people created everything while significantly downplaying that they are also borrowers and destroyers.

    In other words, no.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "In other words, no."

    What are you even referring to here? You are being purposely vague.
  269. @BB753
    WWII : an unmitigated success for the American Empire (as opposed to the American nation) and for the Soviet Union. Everybody else lost, including Great Britain and France.
    Perhaps one of the losers, Japan, might survive its victors, but it's too early to tell.

    BB753, Well tell us Japan, other than Okinawa, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, how did you do in the war?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Joe, that's the kind of short-term, quarterly-report thinking that got this country into trouble. Do you really want to compare today's Buffalo and Niagara Falls to those cities?
    , @BB753
    Japan does pretty well as a country, and is still nearly 100% Japanese. And modern Hiroshima looks in better shape than Detroit.
  270. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Ok; then start counting the number of cars (of any make) parked overnight on the street in Amurica that are broken into/stolen by sunup with same in Japan.

    Hondas and Toyotas are the most stolen cars in the US because the road/yard ratio is so high even after 20 years. We finally traded our 20-year-old Odyssey in to the tech school we got it from because even though it ran fine, parts were hard to come by. I’m sure the school dismantled it for that very reason.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    I'm not sure you got the point I was trying to make.
  271. @Buffalo Joe
    BB753, Well tell us Japan, other than Okinawa, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, how did you do in the war?

    Joe, that’s the kind of short-term, quarterly-report thinking that got this country into trouble. Do you really want to compare today’s Buffalo and Niagara Falls to those cities?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    reg, In one sense you are correct, the idustrial cities like Buffalo are long gone. Japan, if it wasn't for our generous rebuild efforts, would be selling rickshaws.
  272. @Corvinus
    "It’s all white males..."

    who relied on the contributions of past civilizations--Romans, Greeks, Mesopotamia, and Yangtze River. Remember, you didn't built that.

    And, Mr. Sailer...

    There was diversity in the planning—Americans (mutts), the English (whose background include Celts, Angles, Saxons, and Romans), and the French (Frankish).

    Moreover, the soldiers on the ground who were involved on D-Day came from different ethnicities and religions. Even blacks got involved in the fracas! The only African American force in battle that day was the 320th Barrage Balloon Battalion. Its job was to set up explosive-rigged balloons to prevent German airplanes from attacking the Allies. Waverly Woodson, Jr. was a medical worker with the battalion. Before his death in 2005, he told The Associated Press in 1994 about how his landing ship hit a mine on the way to Omaha Beach. “The tide brought us in, and that’s when the 88s hit us,” he said of the German 88 millimeter guns. “They were murder. Of our 26 Navy personnel there was only one left. They raked the whole top of the ship and killed all the crew. Then they started with the mortar shells”.

    Perhaps instead of SJW clickbait you could have found some unique pattern that only you are allegedly known for. Of course, perhaps there is a refusal by Mr. Sailer not to NOTICE that the ones who got us involved in World War II were white men.

    Not your best work, Mr. Sailer, especially on an important day in world history.

    Corvi, I will state what I said before…if you served in a combat zone you have my respect.And for every troop on the front lines, IIRC, there were eleven in support.

  273. @Corvinus
    "Yes they had a few cultural traits that stood out in a country that was overwhelmingly Northern European when they started to arrive, but it’s ridiculous for anyone to claim that Italians were ever thought of as anything but white."

    Not being considered white led to new immigrant misery. Economist Robert F. Forester wrote in 1924, “in a country where the distinction between white man and black is intended as a distinction of value … it is no compliment to the Italian to deny him his whiteness, but that actually happens with considerable frequency.”

    In “Italian Americans as a Cognizable Racial Group,” New York State Supreme Court Justice Dominic R. Massaro surveys recent court decisions which have established Italian Americans as a racial group subject to protection by New York law, especially in cases of Affirmative Action. As a result of this protection, the first chair of Italian American Studies was awarded to the John D.
    Calandra Institute in a discrimination lawsuit against the City University of New York system. The decision in favor of the plaintiff in “Scelsa v. the City University of New York” solidified the position of Italian Americans as “in between people”, as people capable of substantiating discrimination claims, at least in the state of New York.

    Corvi, glad you posted this. NJguy questioned whether there was actually sanctioned discrimination against Italians.

  274. …while significantly downplaying that they are also borrowers and destroyers.

    Whites have certainly destroyed the meaning of marriage, at least in their own countries. It seems to be holding on in the former empires, though.

    So, Crow, you and I can at least agree that Ugandans and Persians and Yanomami have a firmer grasp of sex than does the Caucasian world.

    That white people can still believe in equality is evidence of our stupidity. You don’t see our Asian competitors swallowing such guff, do you?

    Whites are pathologically gullible.


    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FT_19.05.17_gayMarriageMapUpdate_640px.png?resize=768,595

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    The obsession with celebrating homo degenerates is a Western European and its offshoot (U.S,Canada, Australia, S. AMerica) phenomenon . Slavic whites are healthily opposed to this type of deviancy . What accounts for that?
  275. @syonredux

    These data are not without defects or limitations. There is good reason to believe that the rapes reported here represent only a fraction of the actual number of rapes committed by American troops during the Liberation. On the one hand, the documents contain only the most brutal cases
     
    I'm quite sure that lots of Black rapists got away with it...

    …It is therefore possible to think that military justice pursued white rapists with less zeal than it applied to punish black rapists. That said, it is impossible to estimate the exact number of rapes committed by American troops in France at the Liberation…
     
    Hey, when one group is committing a disproportionate number of rapes, extra zeal might be needed....

    Speaking of Black depravity....

    “The serial sexual murder of elderly females appears to be particularly an interracial affair, although such murders only account
    for 2% to 3% of all homicides (Safarik, Jarvis, & Nussbaum, 2000).
    Safarik, Jarvis, and Nussbaum (2000) found that Black offenders
    killed 82% of the White elderly female victims of sexual homicide
    (no elderly Black females were victimized by Whites). The rarity
    of such crimes limited this study to 33 victims, but, focusing on
    128 nonserial sexual homicides of elderly female victims, the
    same researchers found that Blacks offended against Whites in
    77% of the cases (Safarik, Jarvis, & Nussbaum, 2002).”
     
    https://studysites.sagepub.com/gabbidonstudy/articles/Walsh.pdf

    Syon, you are pushing too hard. The “Boston Strangler” was a white guy. His victim were mostly older white women.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    He was Italian, wasn't he? But they've got a ways to go to catch up with the Germans-- Ed Gein, Dean Corll, Jeffrey Dahmer, Admin Meiwes...
    , @syonredux

    Syon, you are pushing too hard. The “Boston Strangler” was a white guy. His victim were mostly older white women.
     
    Statistics:

    The serial sexual murder of elderly females appears to be particularly an interracial affair, although such murders only account
    for 2% to 3% of all homicides (Safarik, Jarvis, & Nussbaum, 2000).
    Safarik, Jarvis, and Nussbaum (2000) found that Black offenders
    killed 82% of the White elderly female victims of sexual homicide
    (no elderly Black females were victimized by Whites). The rarity
    of such crimes limited this study to 33 victims, but, focusing on
    128 nonserial sexual homicides of elderly female victims, the
    same researchers found that Blacks offended against Whites in
    77% of the cases (Safarik, Jarvis, & Nussbaum, 2002).

     
    https://studysites.sagepub.com/gabbidonstudy/articles/Walsh.pdf
  276. @Buffalo Joe
    Icy, My mother's family all from Northern Italy. Her brothers could have past for Poles. My eyes are green, my mother's are grey. My dark hair from my father's side which is Sicilian.

    Bill Kauffman’s Italian grandmother was from the far north of Italy, and called herself “almost Swiss”.

  277. @Dr Van Nostrand
    I didnt even know that the blue eyed Nic Cage and Alan Alda were Italians. Another non typical (to American eyes) Italian is GWB spokeswoman Dana Perrino

    Argentina got the blonde educated Northern Italians while U.S had to make do with the Corleones

    Doc., and Enrico Fermi…but what the hey.

  278. @syonredux

    A black friend asked how many black people there are in the Bible. He ran down a list. I wondered how many white people there are in the Bible. I think the answer is zero. Am I wrong?
     
    Yes. For the reasons why, see above (lots of Greeks and Italians). Now, if you want a genuine complete absence, try this: There are no Amerinds in the Bible. There are also no Australian Aborigines or East Asians.

    There are no Amerinds in the Bible

    Are there porkrinds? If so, probably in a prohibition.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    There are no Amerinds in the Bible

    Are there porkrinds? If so, probably in a prohibition.
     
    Maybe the Mormons know....
  279. @Buffalo Joe
    Syon, you are pushing too hard. The "Boston Strangler" was a white guy. His victim were mostly older white women.

    He was Italian, wasn’t he? But they’ve got a ways to go to catch up with the Germans– Ed Gein, Dean Corll, Jeffrey Dahmer, Admin Meiwes…

  280. @syonredux
    And speaking of other things that happened on the 6th of June that should be remembered;

    The Battle of Midway was a decisive naval battle in the Pacific Theater of World War II that took place between 4 and 7 June 1942, only six months after Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor and one month after the Battle of the Coral Sea.[6][7][8] The United States Navy under Admirals Chester Nimitz, Frank Jack Fletcher, and Raymond A. Spruance defeated an attacking fleet of the Imperial Japanese Navy under Admirals Isoroku Yamamoto, Chūichi Nagumo, and Nobutake Kondō near Midway Atoll, inflicting devastating damage on the Japanese fleet that proved irreparable. Military historian John Keegan called it "the most stunning and decisive blow in the history of naval warfare".[9]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvT2vTzMn7E


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5xvopAfx8



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ladXC2aIF9M


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMbpQlBZleY


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95UbTypOCBA

    Syon, some of the Japanese High Command was US educated. They knew they were poking a sleeping bear. Pearl Harbor was a failure because the US carriers were not in port. The Japanese knew that they had about a year to get America to declare a truce or all was lost. At the start of the war Japan had superior, experienced pilots who were carrier based. When those pilots were gone the air belonged to America and their superior aircraft and still inexperienced pilots.

  281. @Reg Cæsar

    ...while significantly downplaying that they are also borrowers and destroyers.
     
    Whites have certainly destroyed the meaning of marriage, at least in their own countries. It seems to be holding on in the former empires, though.

    So, Crow, you and I can at least agree that Ugandans and Persians and Yanomami have a firmer grasp of sex than does the Caucasian world.

    That white people can still believe in equality is evidence of our stupidity. You don't see our Asian competitors swallowing such guff, do you?

    Whites are pathologically gullible.


    https://s.abcnews.com/images/GMA/PrideStoryHeroIMG2_v03_06.22.18_LF_hpEmbed_16x9_992.jpg

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FT_19.05.17_gayMarriageMapUpdate_640px.png?resize=768,595


    https://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/food/Stoddard_race_map_1920.jpg

    The obsession with celebrating homo degenerates is a Western European and its offshoot (U.S,Canada, Australia, S. AMerica) phenomenon . Slavic whites are healthily opposed to this type of deviancy . What accounts for that?

    • Replies: @BB753
    60 years of globohomo propaganda and cultural marxism, courtesy of the Frankfurt School, the Tavistock Institute and the CIA.
  282. @Reg Cæsar
    Joe, that's the kind of short-term, quarterly-report thinking that got this country into trouble. Do you really want to compare today's Buffalo and Niagara Falls to those cities?

    reg, In one sense you are correct, the idustrial cities like Buffalo are long gone. Japan, if it wasn’t for our generous rebuild efforts, would be selling rickshaws.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Most of Japanese industrial conglomorates such as Matsushita, Mitsubishi etc predate the war. They would have figured it out without the "generous" efforts. However if there is one man who put Japan on the path to industrial superpower status that is not Gen MacArthur but Commodore Matthew Perry. Could he be anymore oblivious to what he unleashed?
  283. @Buffalo Joe
    reg, In one sense you are correct, the idustrial cities like Buffalo are long gone. Japan, if it wasn't for our generous rebuild efforts, would be selling rickshaws.

    Most of Japanese industrial conglomorates such as Matsushita, Mitsubishi etc predate the war. They would have figured it out without the “generous” efforts. However if there is one man who put Japan on the path to industrial superpower status that is not Gen MacArthur but Commodore Matthew Perry. Could he be anymore oblivious to what he unleashed?

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming

    Dr. Deming would like to have word with you, muthafukka!!!
  284. reg, In one sense you are correct, the idustrial cities like Buffalo are long gone. Japan, if it wasn’t for our generous rebuild efforts, would be selling rickshaws.

    Self-driving, flying rickshaws. Foreign aid never helped anybody. If you have what it takes, you ‘re better off without it.

    Taiwan took off when we stopped helping them.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    The Taiwanese are so terrific at semiconductor production that we have to defeat China in a nuclear war.
  285. @Reg Cæsar
    Hondas and Toyotas are the most stolen cars in the US because the road/yard ratio is so high even after 20 years. We finally traded our 20-year-old Odyssey in to the tech school we got it from because even though it ran fine, parts were hard to come by. I'm sure the school dismantled it for that very reason.

    I’m not sure you got the point I was trying to make.

  286. @Corvinus
    "In the Old Testament God appears somewhat prejudiced against the non Jews. So much so that on a few occasions he punishes the Jews for not slaughtering everybody in a city that he designated for them to smote."

    You mean those who wrote about God had made that charge. God is all-knowing and all good. He is perfect. Would He seek to discriminate against those who sought salvation? In other words, would He pick one race over another race to enter Heaven?

    In the Old Testament God appears somewhat prejudiced against the non Jews. So much so that on a few occasions he punishes the Jews for not slaughtering everybody in a city that he designated for them to smote.”

    You mean those who wrote about God had made that charge. God is all-knowing and all good. He is perfect. Would He seek to discriminate against those who sought salvation? In other words, would He pick one race over another race to enter Heaven?

    So, you just ignore the Bible? OK.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "So, you just ignore the Bible? OK."

    That's your thing, not mine. Again, would He seek to discriminate against those who sought salvation? In other words, would He pick one race over another race to enter Heaven?

    They are straightforward questions.
  287. @Reg Cæsar

    There are no Amerinds in the Bible
     
    Are there porkrinds? If so, probably in a prohibition.

    There are no Amerinds in the Bible

    Are there porkrinds? If so, probably in a prohibition.

    Maybe the Mormons know….

  288. @Buffalo Joe
    Syon, you are pushing too hard. The "Boston Strangler" was a white guy. His victim were mostly older white women.

    Syon, you are pushing too hard. The “Boston Strangler” was a white guy. His victim were mostly older white women.

    Statistics:

    The serial sexual murder of elderly females appears to be particularly an interracial affair, although such murders only account
    for 2% to 3% of all homicides (Safarik, Jarvis, & Nussbaum, 2000).
    Safarik, Jarvis, and Nussbaum (2000) found that Black offenders
    killed 82% of the White elderly female victims of sexual homicide
    (no elderly Black females were victimized by Whites). The rarity
    of such crimes limited this study to 33 victims, but, focusing on
    128 nonserial sexual homicides of elderly female victims, the
    same researchers found that Blacks offended against Whites in
    77% of the cases (Safarik, Jarvis, & Nussbaum, 2002).

    https://studysites.sagepub.com/gabbidonstudy/articles/Walsh.pdf

  289. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    What you’re describing is a post-American White nationalist identity that is arguably undergoing formation now and will in the future.
     
    Hardly post-American; it's the White Anglo-American identity, the end-result of the inter-mixing of European ethnies in the Anglo-American crucible.

    It is not identical to the traditional American identity which is Anglo-Saxon and Protestant and which has been demographically and culturally eclipsed.
     
    Nah, the old WASP republic provides the crucible; it shapes and molds.

    Most people regard black Americans with roots going back 400 years in the US as American due to the long historical and cultural association. While someone from say an eastern European, Orthodox background whose ancestors migrated in the early 20th century may be part of a White nationalist identity unlike a black American, they’re not going to be considered more American than a black American with roots going back 400 years.
     
    Separate identities. You've got White Anglo-America and Black America. Very different things:


    https://archaeologyofcontact.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/monticello.jpg


    https://artseer.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/mw03436.jpg


    http://stargayzing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Frank-Sinatra.jpg



    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-g6jG1lk36hY/U4h9bmVbB0I/AAAAAAABbY0/EvOTbBAmYtU/s600/Howard-Hawks-2.jpg




    http://thegreatwesternmovies.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Hondo_01.jpg


    Vs

    https://dailynorthwestern.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/COATES_TA-NEHISI_MCT-900x765.jpg


    https://www.marocsmile.com/upload/411/9f5c07707a1145e059cc6bdd2ff485a8.jpg

    https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/spike-lee-filmmakers-reunite-netflix.jpg


    https://rhystranter.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/toni-morrison-portrait.jpg

    When you mix things, you make something new. The inter-mixing of European ethnies has been and is creating a new White nationalist identity.

    There was a concrete, historical Anglo-Saxon, Protestant identity and sense of nationhood in the US that persisted into the early 20th century. It was conscious of itself and distinguished itself from other European ethnies. But for almost a century now, it’s been in decline, and has been and is being subsumed by demographic and cultural trends into European and non-European ehtnies.

    Andrew Fraser wrote a good book on this called The Wasp Question:

    • Replies: @syonredux

    When you mix things, you make something new.
     
    And some ingredients play a bigger role than others. In the USA, WASPs are that key ingredient.

    The inter-mixing of European ethnies has been and is creating a new White nationalist identity.
     
    Indeed.....and it's an identity that was shaped and molded by the WASP heritage.
    \

    There was a concrete, historical Anglo-Saxon, Protestant identity and sense of nationhood in the US that persisted into the early 20th century. It was conscious of itself and distinguished itself from other European ethnies. But for almost a century now, it’s been in decline, and has been and is being subsumed by demographic and cultural trends into European and non-European ehtnies.
     
    MMMM, no. The WASP-imprint on White Anglo-America is too strong, too deep.

    Andrew Fraser wrote a good book on this called The Wasp Question:
     
    I browsed through it once. It was...OK.
  290. @Dr Van Nostrand
    Are cowboys considered WASPs? Dont they mostly identify as Scots Irish. The original cowboys were Hispanic even black. The lines between whites and blacks cultures are blurred considerably in the south.

    Are cowboys considered WASPs? Dont they mostly identify as Scots Irish.

    The “Scots-Irish” are actually mostly Scots and English (cf Fischer’s work in Albion’s Seed). And, yes, they count as WASPs.

    The original cowboys were Hispanic even black.

    Maize and potatoes were invented by Amerinds. Italians use tomatoes. Cultures adopt things that they find useful.

    The lines between whites and blacks cultures are blurred considerably in the south.

    One of the reasons why they South has been held back. Being surrounded by Black people is bad for you….

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    WASP is something rather different from Scots Irish and Scots and they are to this day. No good ole boy would consider himself a WASP lol. Albions seeds mentiond that

    Yes Hispanic came up a skill which is useful. Your Anglo cribbing is getting tiresome.

    And haha, south has risen again . Apart from Alabama, most of the south has a positive growth rate and high standard of living. Please do some basic research.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    Oi m8! (Indian) curry wouldn't be half the bum-burning fun without chili peppers from tomato/potato-land. Even the Chinese are into them.

    Vindaloo! Vindaloo! Vindaloo! (a Portuguese invention, if the name is any guide I believe).
    , @Autochthon

    Maize and potatoes were invented by Amerinds.
     
    https://youtu.be/G2y8Sx4B2Sk
  291. @Dr Van Nostrand

    Blacks have been awakening their interest in Africa as noted by the popularity of the miniseries Roots. Additionally the Kwanzaa thing and kente cloth seem to emit an African vibe. There was, or perhaps still is, the Afrocentrism movement in public education.
     
    Afrocentrism is a top down movement from a few fringe academics . Kwanzaa was invented by the FBI. Roots and wearing daishikis and such were a trend in the 1970s to the early 90s. All these do exist but their heart does not seem to be in it. They simply exist for some flavor. Even black names arent really African but obscure British names from a bygone era such as Tyrone etc. They have a lot more in common with their fellow whites than they do with blacks. Nation of Islam membership which is a kooky organization which is neither nation nor Islam has stagnated.

    Probably not. But doesn’t this reaffirm my point of view that Europeans, no matter how lowly they were looked upon, were accepted into the fold once they crossed the language hurdle, while Africans were not? You can argue that it was the Europeans at fault for not accepting the Africans, or it was the Africans fault for not assimilating to the dominant culture. But the point is Europeans of all stripes are much closer to one another than they are to non Europeans. And once the business of sharing a common language is accomplished, have a much better chance of becoming tighter with one another than they do with non Europeans.
     
    According to Black Rednecks, White Liberals, educated blacks from the north were far more accepted by white society than semi savage crackers from the south who were loathed. Of course the latter got civilized and upwardly mobile they were treated better but even then northern whites prefered the company of blacks until the movement of illiterate and criminal blacks following their white brethern from the south. This was parallel to academic mainstreaming of racist ideas of Madison Grant which gained respectability and hence Jim Crow laws etc which set race relations back from which they are yet to recover. Regarding European camaraderie, the founders were closer to white nationalist ideas of nationhood and immigration quotas rather than the diversity crowd but even they preferred to stay away from European affairs. If it werent for WWII which cemented the "special relationship", Americans were well on their way to permanently distancing themselves from Europe and U.K despite ethnic ties. I dont think people realize how resentful Americans felt for being bamboozled in WWI and the level of animosity against the British prior to WWII. This is not just the Irish and German communities but also WASPish types were lukewarm on participation. There is of course a lot of affection these days for the British but is a result of a nearly 60 year charm offensive the British had conducted on American culture and ingratiated themselves into the media,academia,defense and state departments due to their erudition and willingness to play Greece to America's Rome. Hitchens talks about and occasionally mocks this a great in Blood,Class and Empire.

    According to Black Rednecks, White Liberals,

    Not a good book.

    • LOL: Dr Van Nostrand
  292. @syonredux

    Are cowboys considered WASPs? Dont they mostly identify as Scots Irish.
     
    The "Scots-Irish" are actually mostly Scots and English (cf Fischer's work in Albion's Seed). And, yes, they count as WASPs.

    The original cowboys were Hispanic even black.
     
    Maize and potatoes were invented by Amerinds. Italians use tomatoes. Cultures adopt things that they find useful.

    The lines between whites and blacks cultures are blurred considerably in the south.
     
    One of the reasons why they South has been held back. Being surrounded by Black people is bad for you....

    WASP is something rather different from Scots Irish and Scots and they are to this day. No good ole boy would consider himself a WASP lol. Albions seeds mentiond that

    Yes Hispanic came up a skill which is useful. Your Anglo cribbing is getting tiresome.

    And haha, south has risen again . Apart from Alabama, most of the south has a positive growth rate and high standard of living. Please do some basic research.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    WASP is something rather different from Scots Irish and Scots
     
    Take out the Irish. The Border folk were mostly Scots and English.

    and they are to this day.
     
    Different flavor of WASP.

    No good ole boy would consider himself a WASP lol. Albions seeds mentiond that
     
    There's your problem. You seem to think that WASP=Boston Brahmin. WASPs come in both haute and bas varieties. Your "good old boys" are just bas-level Southern WASPs.

    Yes Hispanic came up a skill which is useful. Your Anglo cribbing is getting tiresome.
     
    Don't blame me. People acquire useful skills from all kinds of sources....And Anglos in the Southwest picked-up some useful tips on cattle culture from the Latinx

    And haha, south has risen again .
     
    One can only hope. Most of the Southerners that I've met are quite cucked....especially the Texans....

    Apart from Alabama, most of the south has a positive growth rate and high standard of living. Please do some basic research.
     
    Air conditioning is a wonderful invention.
     
    , @Autochthon

    Yes Hispanic came up a skill which is useful.
     
    I'm interested to know what you are attempting to communicate with these words. Will you please convey it in a Germanic, Celtic, or Romance language for my convenience? (I can probably sort it out in Greek, too, if need be.) Whatever language in which it is currently written is unknown to me.

    Thank you in advance for your indulgence of my ignorance.
  293. @Buffalo Joe
    BB753, Well tell us Japan, other than Okinawa, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, how did you do in the war?

    Japan does pretty well as a country, and is still nearly 100% Japanese. And modern Hiroshima looks in better shape than Detroit.

  294. @syonredux

    Are cowboys considered WASPs? Dont they mostly identify as Scots Irish.
     
    The "Scots-Irish" are actually mostly Scots and English (cf Fischer's work in Albion's Seed). And, yes, they count as WASPs.

    The original cowboys were Hispanic even black.
     
    Maize and potatoes were invented by Amerinds. Italians use tomatoes. Cultures adopt things that they find useful.

    The lines between whites and blacks cultures are blurred considerably in the south.
     
    One of the reasons why they South has been held back. Being surrounded by Black people is bad for you....

    Oi m8! (Indian) curry wouldn’t be half the bum-burning fun without chili peppers from tomato/potato-land. Even the Chinese are into them.

    Vindaloo! Vindaloo! Vindaloo! (a Portuguese invention, if the name is any guide I believe).

  295. @syonredux

    In the Old Testament God appears somewhat prejudiced against the non Jews. So much so that on a few occasions he punishes the Jews for not slaughtering everybody in a city that he designated for them to smote.”

    You mean those who wrote about God had made that charge. God is all-knowing and all good. He is perfect. Would He seek to discriminate against those who sought salvation? In other words, would He pick one race over another race to enter Heaven?
     
    So, you just ignore the Bible? OK.

    “So, you just ignore the Bible? OK.”

    That’s your thing, not mine. Again, would He seek to discriminate against those who sought salvation? In other words, would He pick one race over another race to enter Heaven?

    They are straightforward questions.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    “So, you just ignore the Bible? OK.”

    That’s your thing, not mine.
     
    Dear fellow, you just said that you ignore the passages that you don't like:

    You mean those who wrote about God had made that charge. God is all-knowing and all good. He is perfect. Would He seek to discriminate against those who sought salvation? In other words, would He pick one race over another race to enter Heaven?

     

    So, according to you, the Bible is not the word of God....it's a document written by people (mostly Jews, plus a few Greeks) living in various historical eras....

    Again, would He seek to discriminate against those who sought salvation?
     
    Wait, where are you getting this "salvation" business from? Is it from that book that you just said was written by humans, not God?

    In other words, would He pick one race over another race to enter Heaven?
     
    Where are you getting this "heaven" stuff from? Is it from that same human-written book?

    Get back to me when you have a divine source.....
  296. @Corvinus
    "So, you just ignore the Bible? OK."

    That's your thing, not mine. Again, would He seek to discriminate against those who sought salvation? In other words, would He pick one race over another race to enter Heaven?

    They are straightforward questions.

    “So, you just ignore the Bible? OK.”

    That’s your thing, not mine.

    Dear fellow, you just said that you ignore the passages that you don’t like:

    You mean those who wrote about God had made that charge. God is all-knowing and all good. He is perfect. Would He seek to discriminate against those who sought salvation? In other words, would He pick one race over another race to enter Heaven?

    So, according to you, the Bible is not the word of God….it’s a document written by people (mostly Jews, plus a few Greeks) living in various historical eras….

    Again, would He seek to discriminate against those who sought salvation?

    Wait, where are you getting this “salvation” business from? Is it from that book that you just said was written by humans, not God?

    In other words, would He pick one race over another race to enter Heaven?

    Where are you getting this “heaven” stuff from? Is it from that same human-written book?

    Get back to me when you have a divine source…..

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "So, according to you, the Bible is not the word of God….it’s a document written by people (mostly Jews, plus a few Greeks) living in various historical eras…."

    Never directly nor indirectly stated that. You are erecting a strawman in an effort to deflect and disqualify.

    Salvation and heaven come from the Bible and from the Word of God. Those are divine sources. So answer the questions as they are intended.

    Would He seek to discriminate against those who sought salvation? In other words, would He pick one race over another race to enter Heaven?
  297. @Anonymous
    When you mix things, you make something new. The inter-mixing of European ethnies has been and is creating a new White nationalist identity.

    There was a concrete, historical Anglo-Saxon, Protestant identity and sense of nationhood in the US that persisted into the early 20th century. It was conscious of itself and distinguished itself from other European ethnies. But for almost a century now, it's been in decline, and has been and is being subsumed by demographic and cultural trends into European and non-European ehtnies.

    Andrew Fraser wrote a good book on this called The Wasp Question:

    https://www.amazon.com/Wasp-Question-Andrew-Fraser/dp/1907166297

    When you mix things, you make something new.

    And some ingredients play a bigger role than others. In the USA, WASPs are that key ingredient.

    The inter-mixing of European ethnies has been and is creating a new White nationalist identity.

    Indeed…..and it’s an identity that was shaped and molded by the WASP heritage.
    \

    There was a concrete, historical Anglo-Saxon, Protestant identity and sense of nationhood in the US that persisted into the early 20th century. It was conscious of itself and distinguished itself from other European ethnies. But for almost a century now, it’s been in decline, and has been and is being subsumed by demographic and cultural trends into European and non-European ehtnies.

    MMMM, no. The WASP-imprint on White Anglo-America is too strong, too deep.

    Andrew Fraser wrote a good book on this called The Wasp Question:

    I browsed through it once. It was…OK.

  298. @Dr Van Nostrand
    WASP is something rather different from Scots Irish and Scots and they are to this day. No good ole boy would consider himself a WASP lol. Albions seeds mentiond that

    Yes Hispanic came up a skill which is useful. Your Anglo cribbing is getting tiresome.

    And haha, south has risen again . Apart from Alabama, most of the south has a positive growth rate and high standard of living. Please do some basic research.

    WASP is something rather different from Scots Irish and Scots

    Take out the Irish. The Border folk were mostly Scots and English.

    and they are to this day.

    Different flavor of WASP.

    No good ole boy would consider himself a WASP lol. Albions seeds mentiond that

    There’s your problem. You seem to think that WASP=Boston Brahmin. WASPs come in both haute and bas varieties. Your “good old boys” are just bas-level Southern WASPs.

    Yes Hispanic came up a skill which is useful. Your Anglo cribbing is getting tiresome.

    Don’t blame me. People acquire useful skills from all kinds of sources….And Anglos in the Southwest picked-up some useful tips on cattle culture from the Latinx

    And haha, south has risen again .

    One can only hope. Most of the Southerners that I’ve met are quite cucked….especially the Texans….

    Apart from Alabama, most of the south has a positive growth rate and high standard of living. Please do some basic research.

    Air conditioning is a wonderful invention.

  299. @Dr Van Nostrand
    Most of Japanese industrial conglomorates such as Matsushita, Mitsubishi etc predate the war. They would have figured it out without the "generous" efforts. However if there is one man who put Japan on the path to industrial superpower status that is not Gen MacArthur but Commodore Matthew Perry. Could he be anymore oblivious to what he unleashed?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming

    Dr. Deming would like to have word with you, muthafukka!!!

  300. @Reg Cæsar

    reg, In one sense you are correct, the idustrial cities like Buffalo are long gone. Japan, if it wasn’t for our generous rebuild efforts, would be selling rickshaws.
     
    Self-driving, flying rickshaws. Foreign aid never helped anybody. If you have what it takes, you 're better off without it.

    Taiwan took off when we stopped helping them.

    The Taiwanese are so terrific at semiconductor production that we have to defeat China in a nuclear war.

  301. @Buffalo Joe
    Mr. Anon, "D-Day" by Stephen Ambrose is a good read. High rates of loss were expected. The landing craft, built by the Higgins Boat Works in New Orleans were plywood. The front ramp was thin steel. I would recommend a visit to the D-Day Museum if you visit New Orleans. My WWII uncles called them Krauts. My dad served in the Pacific against the Japs.

    High rates of loss were expected.

    Yes – obviously – by people who themselves would not be dying that day. Rank has it’s privileges. Not having one’s life thrown away as cannon-fodder being one of them.

  302. @Corvinus
    "In the Old Testament God appears somewhat prejudiced against the non Jews. So much so that on a few occasions he punishes the Jews for not slaughtering everybody in a city that he designated for them to smote."

    You mean those who wrote about God had made that charge. God is all-knowing and all good. He is perfect. Would He seek to discriminate against those who sought salvation? In other words, would He pick one race over another race to enter Heaven?

    I take it you have never read the Old Testament. Though it is included together with the New Testament in the Bible, it reads quite differently.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I take it you have never read the Old Testament. Though it is included together with the New Testament in the Bible, it reads quite differently.
     
    The New Testament is for those who find the Old Testament too nasty. The Koran is for those who find the Old Testament too nice.
    , @Lagertha
    hahhahhahhahahhaaaaa
    , @Lagertha
    don't waste time with C - he is all about DIEversity.
    , @Corvinus
    "I take it you have never read the Old Testament. Though it is included together with the New Testament in the Bible, it reads quite differently."

    That's a red herring.

    And, of course, context matters here--Christian God. People of all races and ethnicities who belong to a church and believe in His word. So focus on the questions at hand--Would He seek to discriminate against those who sought salvation? In other words, would He pick one race over another race to enter Heaven?

  303. @istevefan
    I take it you have never read the Old Testament. Though it is included together with the New Testament in the Bible, it reads quite differently.

    I take it you have never read the Old Testament. Though it is included together with the New Testament in the Bible, it reads quite differently.

    The New Testament is for those who find the Old Testament too nasty. The Koran is for those who find the Old Testament too nice.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Lagertha
    disagree entirely, but enjoy the discussion.
    , @Dr Van Nostrand
    Haha! The Book of Revelations makes the Old Testament look like a walk in the park. Also Satan makes is revamped and reenergizedx10000 in the NT.
    In the Torah, he is for the most part a dude who makes lame wagers with God. Though he starts getting more power and evil in the later books, he is still not paid much attention.
  304. @syonredux

    More than a million African soldiers fought for Britain and France,
     
    This needs amplification....

    their contribution being particularly critical to the Burma campaign,
     
    Quasi-important

    the Italian campaign,
     
    Waste of time and materiel

    and the invasion of southern France (Krinninger and Mwanamilongo 2015; Wikipedia 2018c).
     
    Not quite the same thing as the Normandy Invasion...

    Meanwhile, India provided over 2.5 million soldiers, who fought in North Africa, Europe, and Asia (Wikipedia 2018d).
     
    Again, what does that mean?How important were they in each of those theatres? In terms of Europe, they seem to have been of some importance in the Italian Campaign, but, as noted above, that was a waste of time and materiel...

    India also produced armaments and resources for the war effort, notably coal, iron ore, and steel.
     
    And how do those contributions compare to what was supplied by the USA and the White Dominions (Canada, Australia, NZ)?

    Liberalism thus succeeded not so much in the battle of ideas as on the actual battlefield.

     

    Yes, the ultimate test:

    "War is the father and king of all: some he has made gods, and some men; some slaves and some free."

    No, he was masterful in WW2. He kept people from certain death.

  305. @istevefan
    I take it you have never read the Old Testament. Though it is included together with the New Testament in the Bible, it reads quite differently.

    hahhahhahhahahhaaaaa

  306. @Corn
    “Someday, I will talk about the “insurance policy” we had ( my grandpa made)”

    Grandpa bury some rifles in the woods in case the Soviets decided to occupy all of Finland in ‘44?

    hahhahhahhaaaaaaa the world is full of evil people…and my grandfather knew it.

  307. @Reg Cæsar

    I take it you have never read the Old Testament. Though it is included together with the New Testament in the Bible, it reads quite differently.
     
    The New Testament is for those who find the Old Testament too nasty. The Koran is for those who find the Old Testament too nice.

    disagree entirely, but enjoy the discussion.

  308. @istevefan
    I take it you have never read the Old Testament. Though it is included together with the New Testament in the Bible, it reads quite differently.

    don’t waste time with C – he is all about DIEversity.

  309. @Dr Van Nostrand
    The obsession with celebrating homo degenerates is a Western European and its offshoot (U.S,Canada, Australia, S. AMerica) phenomenon . Slavic whites are healthily opposed to this type of deviancy . What accounts for that?

    60 years of globohomo propaganda and cultural marxism, courtesy of the Frankfurt School, the Tavistock Institute and the CIA.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    Im aware of the Frankfurt school. Though some analysts dont blame them per se and call their work rather a warning than a blueprint. I would have to look into it myself but the language is off putting.
    Why would the CIA morally gut its own country?
  310. @Reg Cæsar

    I take it you have never read the Old Testament. Though it is included together with the New Testament in the Bible, it reads quite differently.
     
    The New Testament is for those who find the Old Testament too nasty. The Koran is for those who find the Old Testa