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The media orgy over the school shooting in Florida appears to have spilled over into reviving an old iSteve story in a troubled man. From ESPN:

Ex-Dolphin Jonathan Martin detained by police over social media post

2:49 PM PT Kyle Bonagura ESPN Staff Writer

Former Miami Dolphins offensive lineman Jonathan Martin has been detained for questioning in Los Angeles as a result of a threatening image posted on social media, according to reports. …

The image on the Instagram account said: “When you’re a bully victim & a coward, your options are suicide, or revenge.” The image showed a shotgun, ammunition and tagged four accounts, including those belonging to former Miami teammates Richie Incognito and Mike Pouncey. It also included hashtags for Harvard-Westlake, where he went to high school, and the Miami Dolphins. …

Martin accused Incognito and Pouncey of bullying him when they were teammates in Miami, which resulted in an NFL investigation in 2013. …

It was written in the Wells report that Martin was harassed in middle school and high school, resulting in a lack of self-esteem and depression as a teenager. The Wells report also mentioned that Martin contemplated suicide on two occasions, in January and May of 2013.

“Martin claims that the depression he experienced in high school recurred as a result of mistreatment by his teammates on the Dolphins and that on two occasions in 2013 he even contemplated suicide.”

Martin hasn’t played in the NFL since 2015. Weeks after retiring, Martin posted a lengthy message on Facebook explaining that he suffered from depression and had tried to kill himself on multiple occasions.

Harvard-Westlake, an elite private school in Los Angeles, closed Friday morning in response to the post, but police told ESPN there was no direct threat to the school.

This is a sad but interesting story that I blogged about at length in 2013. Martin is a cultured upper middle class black kid (both of his parents went to Harvard U., as did his paternal grandfather and great-grandfather according to our always informative commenter Triumph104). Martin got channeled into football because he’s gigantic (6’5″ 315 pounds) and athletic even though he doesn’t much like football. Richie Incognito is a white guy covered in tattoos who was considered an “honorary black” in the Dolphins’ locker room because he’s tough and mean, including toward teammates who are letting down the team by not playing up to their physical potential, such as Martin.

I had a friend at Rice U., Larry, who was a giant black guy, the son of a couple of school principals. The Rice football coaches were always offering him a full scholarship if he’d come out for the team, but he’d tell them thank you, but his parents could afford Rice’s quite reasonable tuition and that football practice would take too much time away from his architectural studies.

Here, via Triumph104, is the 1981 New York Times wedding announcement for Martin’s parents.

 
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  1. ESPN made this into white guy (Incognito) being racist towards black guy (Martin), when it was actually Incognito trying to toughen up Martin with the approval of his (mostly black) fellow teammates. Martin was too much of a wuss to play in the NFL.

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    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Not a good strategy. There might be some third party effects. His status as an honorary black guy and quite likely his future with the team were eventually going to be in jeopardy anyway, anyhow.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Jim Don, In today's Buffalo News, they repeat what Incognito said back in 2016,"Jonathon had his troubles. He had his demons, like we all do. And he left for whatever reason, and handled it the way he did. And then the story kind of takes a life of its own and there's the narrative that Jonathon and his camp want you to believe and then there's, like I said, what me, Mike Pouncey, what John Jerry, what Jim Turner, what we know what happened. And I can sleep good at night...not saying I'm a saint but I sleep well at night knowing what I did." Incognito, playing for the Bills, made the Pro Bowl again this year, Martin was a wasted high draft pick. Incognito has one arm with a tattoo sleeve, no more, actually less than a lot of NFL players, both white and black, have.
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  2. I don’t understand this at all. How does a huge guy like that get bullied in high school? (Is it fair to assume that if as an adult he reached 6’5″ 315lb, then he was pretty big in high school too?)

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    A huge guy like that can get bullied if he has a choad.
    , @Danindc
    It’s likely made up or way over dramatized. Hard to believe as you’d think ppl would lie about not being bullied....but he’s likely mentally ill so everything is on the table.
    , @Hodag
    In the mid early UFC, Tim Sylvia was the heavyweight champ but got routinely bullied and run down by guys in his camp forty to sixty pounds lighter.

    I guarantee this Martin has immense brain damage. His neck seems thin and I will bet his brain is close to his skull. Terrible.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    Sometimes it just takes awhile to learn that you don’t have to take it. Some people never figure it out. I’m a big guy now and was a big kid then, and I was bullied up until the end of 9th grade. The worst offender was fond of calling me a fag more or less nonstop. One day I finally decided I had enough and decked him with one punch, after which he never spoke a word to me in the remaining three years of high school. Incidentally, years later when looking up old classmates on Facebook I decided to look up my old tormenter. Turns out he had come out of the closet.
    , @Lagertha
    well, it is the gay thing. I always heard the black players were tougher on him than the white players. Locker room talk - even with my sons (they still will not rat out that guy who got another kid into trouble...) on the team - the idea of "the team" is sacrosant.
    , @black sea
    Bruce Smith, who played for 19 years in the NFL and is the all-time leader in sacks, once said in an interview that growing up in Virginia he'd been bullied by some of the kids. I found this surprising, but thought that like a lot of guys who grow up to be huge, he may have been overweight and awkward as an adolescent. Anyway, after having mentioned his experience, he went on to say that whenever he visited the old neighborhood, "I still remember those guys who gave me a hard time," or words to that effect.

    The way he said that led me to believe that those guys probably made themselves pretty scarce whenever Brucie was home for a visit.
    , @S. Anonyia
    I'm a teacher and I see huge kids get bullied all the time. Who gets bullied is more about personality and softness than it is physical characteristics. Basically who is timid and who will take it. A giant kid has more of a chance of stopping the bullying if they fight back, but until they stand up for themselves it will continue.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    IJ, Incognito and his pals were accused of ( by Martin and the NFL) "...racist, sexually explicit, homophobic and misogynistic messages..." according to an article in today's Buffalo News. I think Martin is gay.
    , @guest
    Big kids were bullied at my schools, if they were also weak, weird, and otherwise social unfit.
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  3. It’s a sad thing when someone who is 6’5”and 315 pounds can be bullied by anything this side of a grizzly bear. I’m a manling and I never let anyone bully me. The last time was in grade school. A Scut Farkas type and his little toady waylaid me on the way home from school. As they confronted me I noticed that the toady was, incredibly, even wimpier than me. So in an instinctive move, I knocked down the little guy, got on top of him and started pounding him until “Scut” pulled me off his minion and started pounding me. It was worth it; they never gave me another look after that.

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    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Yep. Several generations of my family have learned the "get a few good licks in" routine. You don't have to win: just make it too much trouble to be worth it. They'll go find somebody easier.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Alfa, your remark on Grizzly bears reminds me..."That which doesn't kill you, makes you stronger." Except Grizzly bears, they just kill you.
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  4. Martin is a cultured upper middle class half-black kid (one of his parents went to Harvard U.)

    Both of Jonathan Martin’s parents are black and are Harvard College and Radcliffe graduates. Richie Incognito said that Martin was half-black but that is not true. If Martin had gone to Harvard instead of Stanford, he would have been the fourth generation of black men in his family to have attended Harvard. His mother also graduated from Harvard Law, while his father graduated from Duquesne Law School and received his PhD from the University of Pittsburgh in the same department that his father-in-law was a professor.

    Of the alleged bullies mentioned in Jonathan Martin’s recent tweet, Richie Incognito is white, NFL player Mike Pouncey is half white/ half black. Former Harvard Westlake classmates: TJ Taylor is black, and James Dunleavy is white. Dunleavy is the son of former NBA player and NBA coach Mike Dunleavy Sr. and the brother of NBA player Mike Dunleavy Jr..

    http://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/14/style/jane-howard-and-clarence-martin-jr-law-students-wed.html

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    He's probably half-black in the way that someone like Steph Curry is half-black. That is both their parents are around half-black in terms of ancestry and thus less black than the average black.
    , @Anonymous

    If Martin had gone to Harvard instead of Stanford, he would have been the fourth generation of black men in his family to have attended Harvard.
     
    Amazing the things we learn here. Things like this, which--according to the larger culture--are absolutely impossible. I mean, it's like you guys haven't even heard of systemic racism, and also, shut up.
    , @Colleen Pater
    I wonder if assuming a small minority of blacks were able to transcend the average black paths on merit or was there an unofficial affirmative action going on back then.Its not an easy question since obviously just going to a unofficially whites only school would take some affirmative action regardless the merit, but also because merit was less scientifically measured or used for admissions back then.
    Yes your point that those of us with a smattering of historical perspective, or of a certain age that we can actually remember the way we were, have always been aware women and other minorities have always participated in ways we are taught never happened before leftist intervention is apt. It just made me rethink an assumption.
    , @bjondo
    Harvard , the Ivys, produce armchair, studio men - tough behind a desk or in a studio wearing makeup.
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  5. And it makes it hard to plot revenge when the bully is always Incognito, like Kaiser Soze, a white guy blending in inconspicuously among the blacks. My guess is you’ll never hear from him again.

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  6. Reminds me of this old Dave Chapelle routine about white guys who hang out with black guys:

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    • Replies: @Triumph104
    Dave Chappelle is friends with John Mayer.

    Mayer, 32, told an interviewer: "Someone asked me the other day, 'What does it feel like now to have a hood pass?' And by the way, it's sort of a contradiction in terms, because if you really had a hood pass, you could call it a n***** pass." ...

    When asked by the interviewer, "Do black women throw themselves at you?", Mayer responds: "I don't think I open myself to it. My d*** is sort of like a white supremacist. I've got a Benetton heart and a f***** David Duke c*** I'm going to start dating separately from my d***."
     

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/feb/11/john-mayer-playboy-interview
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  7. I didn’t follow this drama at all at the time, but no matter the details of what really happened to Martin, too many people downplay bullying. There are many reasons not to bully people, but the reason that even the most sociopathic people should care about is that if a person you’ve bullied decides to end their life, what on earth is stopping them from taking you with them? In most cases, the answer is: absolutely nothing. There’s nothing to gain from making someone feel like they have nothing more to lose.

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    • Replies: @Danindc
    The movie Billy Madison had a funny scene about this....I’ll go find it...

    Here it is https://youtu.be/68sRqrZZ6wQ
    , @Stan d Mute

    There are many reasons not to bully people, but the reason that even the most sociopathic people should care about is that if a person you’ve bullied decides to end their life, what on earth is stopping them from taking you with them?
     
    I was raised (in the 1970’s) to know there is ONE reason not to bully: A man doesn’t pick fights with people weaker than himself, a man defends women, children, and old folks. My dad would have beat me senseless if I’d ever bullied a weakling or puny kid and done even worse to me if I’d ever raised a hand to a woman (no matter how much they ask for it). My kid has been raised the same way - he knows beyond any doubt the most scary thing in the world is his dad just as I knew the same.

    Today we see cowardly emasculated pansy cops, four of them at last count, hiding outside a school while a mental defective with a gun given him by his single mommy murdered seventeen other kids. These are not men. A man does not hide while children are being slaughtered.

    And perhaps there is a much larger lesson here. Would our great grandfathers have sat watching while their nation was being invaded by foreign criminals? I’m as guilty of this as the rest of us. What has happened? Have we been chemically castrated?
    , @Alec Leamas
    There's a difference between a schoolyard bully who torments the weak for sadistic reasons and how hard men engaged in a collective pursuit relate to one another. I don't know if the "bullying" spin was the correct term for what happened among those players, because at the time it seemed to be the preferred narrative and pretext for the Obama administration to further poz schools.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW9C4qi5Y80

    Martin was just soft, perhaps too refined for the rigors of the NFL in spite of his size.
    , @guest
    Of course there's something stopping them. Just because someone's willing to kill themselves doesn't mean they're willing to kill someone else. What if they screw up and get caught, for instance?

    You can't assume someone would be willing to kill two people just because they're willing to kill one, any more than that they'd be willing to mass-murder just because they're murderers. Or that they'll might kill that guy over there just because they're willing to kill this guy over here.

    There's some risk with people who think they have nothing to lose, obviously. But when did you jump from simply bullying someone to bullying someone into thinking they have nothing to lose? There's a giant gap in the middle of your post.

    It's exceedingly easy to bully someone without making them think they have nothing to lose. As close to 100% as possible without being 100% of bullying cases don't end in murder-suicide or even suicide.

    I could see making a sort of Pascal's wager, because all you have to lose is the pleasure and utility of bullying. But that's a little like arguing you better play the lottery because otherwise you can't win a $600 million jackpot.

    Yeah, but what are the odds, and why am I worrying about them?

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  8. Yeah, OT, but the Children’s Crusade and its terror e-mails and tweets to companies likeg Enterprise Rent-a-Car to boycott them if they don’t drop NRA discounts is actually more interesting. That plus that Hogg kid, who has more prior on-camera appearances that most SAG-AFTRA talent is playing out as one of the better propaganda stories of recent history. Then you have not one, but apparently three #CowardCounty deputies hiding during the shooting.

    Sorry, but this is a goldmine.

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    • Replies: @Corn
    I find that David Hogg and the Latina Sinead O’Connor wannabe curious. Most school shooting survivors lay low, take time to grieve, compose themselves etc. These two seem to have come out of the school ready for TV and haven’t been off TV or Twitter since.
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  9. A sensitive nerdy introverted black guy that isnt Ta-Nehisi Coates??

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    It's interesting--my mother has very different stereotypes of blacks and gays than I do. I think of gays as being especially friendly towards women and of blacks as being rather masculine and ~gay. On the other hand, my mother thinks gays mostly hate women and that there are lots more effeminate blacks than whites or Asians. (BTW, she's a professional counselor, so her impressions are not as simplistic as "gays aren't attracted to women, so they don't like women.") Just an interesting difference--generational?

    Also, I'm interested in your handle. What does it refer to?
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  10. This post would be much more interesting if it included why Martin gets picked on. Include some names he gets called or something. I mean would most people reflexively want to bully this guy or are football players rabid with free-floating testosterone and brain damage?

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    To be an effective NFL offensive lineman you have to be willing to absorb and to inflict very large amounts of pain. For example, where there's a loose fumble, what goes in the scramble at the bottom of the pile is vicious.

    My guess is that Martin didn't want to do either up to NFL offensive lineman standards.

    , @Brutusale
    I remember watching my nephews take ski lessons at a Vermont resort. The young lady doing the teaching was a no-nonsense sort, and in response to one particularly whiny kid complaining about the cold, she said "Toughen up, cupcake!".

    Now take this attitude to a large group of gigantic, muscular guys involved in a group pursuit where the weakest link can be the cause for group's failure and the potential loss of millions of dollars. The weakest link is identified and tested harshly, to see if it continues to fail or hardens up with the additional tempering. The tempering involves physical and emotional abuse, something an NFL player has been dealing with since high school ball.

    Martin had fine physical tools to play in the NFL for a long time. He just didn't have the emotional tools to deal with the process.

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  11. @International Jew
    I don't understand this at all. How does a huge guy like that get bullied in high school? (Is it fair to assume that if as an adult he reached 6'5" 315lb, then he was pretty big in high school too?)

    A huge guy like that can get bullied if he has a choad.

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  13. @Selvar
    Reminds me of this old Dave Chapelle routine about white guys who hang out with black guys:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYzXoIF1JjE

    Dave Chappelle is friends with John Mayer.

    Mayer, 32, told an interviewer: “Someone asked me the other day, ‘What does it feel like now to have a hood pass?’ And by the way, it’s sort of a contradiction in terms, because if you really had a hood pass, you could call it a n***** pass.” …

    When asked by the interviewer, “Do black women throw themselves at you?”, Mayer responds: “I don’t think I open myself to it. My d*** is sort of like a white supremacist. I’ve got a Benetton heart and a f***** David Duke c*** I’m going to start dating separately from my d***.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/feb/11/john-mayer-playboy-interview

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Mayer is the modern Frank Sinatra, in that he's the modern version of the Crooner-a bonafide virtuoso rock guitarist-who is known to have a dig bick ( I have it on authority entirely satisfactory to me that he's clearly bigger than average but not so big that it doesn't fit most sexually active women) and has been known to have roundly rogered a number of A-lister women. I'm not saying TS, Katy Perry and Jen Aniston are exactly Ava Gardner or Marilyn Monroe, but they certainly at the top of the modern celebrity roster in terms of fame.

    He is not the best technical guitarist-those guys are usually people who play music unpalatable to the masses, that is, fusion jazz, shred metal, or stuff like Allan Holdsworth played-but among guys who play something resembling modern pop-rock he's damn impressive.

    The reaction he gets at NAMM shows-a music merchants' convention closed to the public and crawling with celebs and guitar world figures-is phenomenal. Hard bitten industry figures like Paul Reed Smith just slather over the guy, not sexually, but in awe of his 'awesomeness', so to speak.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Actresses like musicians.
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  14. @Triumph104

    Martin is a cultured upper middle class half-black kid (one of his parents went to Harvard U.)
     
    Both of Jonathan Martin's parents are black and are Harvard College and Radcliffe graduates. Richie Incognito said that Martin was half-black but that is not true. If Martin had gone to Harvard instead of Stanford, he would have been the fourth generation of black men in his family to have attended Harvard. His mother also graduated from Harvard Law, while his father graduated from Duquesne Law School and received his PhD from the University of Pittsburgh in the same department that his father-in-law was a professor.

    Of the alleged bullies mentioned in Jonathan Martin's recent tweet, Richie Incognito is white, NFL player Mike Pouncey is half white/ half black. Former Harvard Westlake classmates: TJ Taylor is black, and James Dunleavy is white. Dunleavy is the son of former NBA player and NBA coach Mike Dunleavy Sr. and the brother of NBA player Mike Dunleavy Jr..

    http://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/14/style/jane-howard-and-clarence-martin-jr-law-students-wed.html

    He’s probably half-black in the way that someone like Steph Curry is half-black. That is both their parents are around half-black in terms of ancestry and thus less black than the average black.

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    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @istevefan
    It's like the mulatto elite in Haiti. They eliminated whites from Haiti a long time ago, but so long as the mulatto community marries amongst itself, they will still retain their mixed proportions.
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  15. Martin is a cultured upper middle class black kid (both of his parents went to Harvard U., as did his paternal grandfather and great-grandfather

    Yeah, but Martin still tried to play the “po’ black boy” routine… one news story I saw (can’t find the link now) quoted him as saying he never fit in with all the rich white kids at Harvard-Westlake after his black parents moved into the rich white neighborhood in L.A.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Hey, Matthew "Mad Men" Weiner felt himself bullied by anti-Semitism at 40% Jewish Harvard-Westlake. Weiner felt particularly bullied by a newspaper article mentioning that HW was 40% Jewish.
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  16. People are all up in arms about why wasn’t something done about this kid that everyone knew was a wacko. The answer is because he was a minority. BHO hammered schools for eight years for punishing NAMs more than whites, even though NAMs do way more bad stuff than whites. So schools said, fine, we won’t punish NAMs. Problem solved.

    Same thing with the sheriff and the FBI. Who wants to be the cop/agent who gets assigned to pick on the NAM? Besides, the FBI is busy with the Steele dossier and corruption in college basketball.

    So the answer is – it’s the fault of white guys, and we need more government and stricter gun control.

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    • Replies: @Danindc
    Pretty much, yep. A white kid who did what Cruz did (39 arrests or home visits!!) would’ve been strung up
    , @Lugash
    The Conservative Treehouse says that it was a systemic effort between the sherrif's office and the school district:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/23/broward-county-sheriffs-office-did-not-miss-warning-signs-or-make-mistakes/

    It looks plausible, but I can't imagine this particular high school had to suppress that much crime.

    Trump's Luck strikes again, no matter how much we don't want it to.
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  17. @Dr. X

    Martin is a cultured upper middle class black kid (both of his parents went to Harvard U., as did his paternal grandfather and great-grandfather
     
    Yeah, but Martin still tried to play the "po' black boy" routine... one news story I saw (can't find the link now) quoted him as saying he never fit in with all the rich white kids at Harvard-Westlake after his black parents moved into the rich white neighborhood in L.A.

    Hey, Matthew “Mad Men” Weiner felt himself bullied by anti-Semitism at 40% Jewish Harvard-Westlake. Weiner felt particularly bullied by a newspaper article mentioning that HW was 40% Jewish.

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    • Replies: @Been
    Whoever heard of someone making an anti-Semitic statement at any institution that is exactly over 29% Jewish? I believe that's the cut-off point at which anti-Semites say, "eh, I'll save it until I move".
    , @al-Gharaniq
    This is the the blatant (and quite frankly, baffling) hypocrisy of the matter:

    White people can become "honorary" blacks by other black people, but black people always seem to complain that they can't become "honorary" whites. Realistically though, it's a lot easier for black people to fit in with white people than vice versa. Of course, "black people" and "white people" seem just to be euphemisms for inner city/low class culture vs. suburban/middle-high class culture, respectively.
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  18. @miss marple
    This post would be much more interesting if it included why Martin gets picked on. Include some names he gets called or something. I mean would most people reflexively want to bully this guy or are football players rabid with free-floating testosterone and brain damage?

    To be an effective NFL offensive lineman you have to be willing to absorb and to inflict very large amounts of pain. For example, where there’s a loose fumble, what goes in the scramble at the bottom of the pile is vicious.

    My guess is that Martin didn’t want to do either up to NFL offensive lineman standards.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    And if you think that's vicious, you don't want to know what goes on in the locker room showers between guys like Incognito and bottoms like Martin.
    , @Danindc
    I used to think the under piles were vicious but now I’m not so sure. I never see any claims of broken fingers, Eye gouges, etc. Nor do I witness it with multiple HD cameras. I think it is somewhat an NFL urban myth
    , @Lagertha
    beating a dead horse became a thing in the 18th century.
    , @Lagertha
    beating a dead horse became a thing in the 18th century. Martin was like "Ferdinand, the Bull." apologies to: the Blind Side showing a guy (not Martin, at all) playing high stakes HS and recruiting football for Uni.
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  19. @Steve Sailer
    To be an effective NFL offensive lineman you have to be willing to absorb and to inflict very large amounts of pain. For example, where there's a loose fumble, what goes in the scramble at the bottom of the pile is vicious.

    My guess is that Martin didn't want to do either up to NFL offensive lineman standards.

    And if you think that’s vicious, you don’t want to know what goes on in the locker room showers between guys like Incognito and bottoms like Martin.

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    @Triumph104
    Dave Chappelle is friends with John Mayer.

    Mayer, 32, told an interviewer: "Someone asked me the other day, 'What does it feel like now to have a hood pass?' And by the way, it's sort of a contradiction in terms, because if you really had a hood pass, you could call it a n***** pass." ...

    When asked by the interviewer, "Do black women throw themselves at you?", Mayer responds: "I don't think I open myself to it. My d*** is sort of like a white supremacist. I've got a Benetton heart and a f***** David Duke c*** I'm going to start dating separately from my d***."
     

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/feb/11/john-mayer-playboy-interview

    Mayer is the modern Frank Sinatra, in that he’s the modern version of the Crooner-a bonafide virtuoso rock guitarist-who is known to have a dig bick ( I have it on authority entirely satisfactory to me that he’s clearly bigger than average but not so big that it doesn’t fit most sexually active women) and has been known to have roundly rogered a number of A-lister women. I’m not saying TS, Katy Perry and Jen Aniston are exactly Ava Gardner or Marilyn Monroe, but they certainly at the top of the modern celebrity roster in terms of fame.

    He is not the best technical guitarist-those guys are usually people who play music unpalatable to the masses, that is, fusion jazz, shred metal, or stuff like Allan Holdsworth played-but among guys who play something resembling modern pop-rock he’s damn impressive.

    The reaction he gets at NAMM shows-a music merchants’ convention closed to the public and crawling with celebs and guitar world figures-is phenomenal. Hard bitten industry figures like Paul Reed Smith just slather over the guy, not sexually, but in awe of his ‘awesomeness’, so to speak.

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    John Mayer is WAY overrated. I'll never understand how he got popular, and he's not worthy enough to carry Sinatra's jock strap. Sinatra would eat that soyboy wimp for breakfast. Van Halen, Vai, Satriani are guys who play circles around him and have still sold millions of records. The fact that these people slobber all over Mayer really shows what a sad state of affairs we live in today.
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  21. Are we sure he isn’t biracial?

    From the New York Post:

    https://nypost.com/2018/02/23/bullied-nfl-lineman-posts-shotgun-photo-forces-high-school-to-close/

    Martin has largely been out of the public spotlight since retiring in 2015 after a brief stint with the Panthers. In 2016, the bi-racial athlete revealed that he had tried committing suicide multiple times throughout his life and was not comfortable growing up in the ritzy Los Angeles area he and his parents to moved to when he was 10 years old.

    “You learn to tone down your size & blackness by becoming shy, introverted, friendly, so you won’t scare the little rich white kids or their parents,” he wrote in a 2016 social media post.

    Neither black nor white people accept you because they don’t understand you. It takes away your self-confidence, your self-worth, your sanity.”

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    It's almost as if miscegenation is a terrible idea with all.kinds of undesirable consequences people may not deem.immediately obvious but which time and wisdom have therefore quite rightly made taboo, such that flippantly embracing them is stupid and dangerous.

    In other news, putting ones penis in another's rectum is unsanitary and spreads vile contagions; bastardy makes for poverty, resentment, and crime; heterogeneous populations breed distrust and social bedlam; giving things to lazy and irresponsible people creates perverse incentives....

    Man, it's as if all kinds of stodgy rules and mores the Man and the squares are always on about are in fact rooted in experiences learned the hard way over millennia of blood, sweat, and tears.
    , @Triumph104
    Both parents are black. In the video, Richie Incognito said Martin was half-black which is not true.

    Father Photo 1 Photo 2

    Mother Photo 1 Photo 2

    Maternal grandmother Photo 1 Photo 2


    https://youtu.be/VbcPdweaBFE
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Mulatto, n. A child of two races, ashamed of both.

    Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.
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  22. OT
    It was “Nikolas de Jesus Cruz” early on and now he is “Nikolas Jacob Cruz”?

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  23. Oh yes, the old Isteve rule: media orgies over mass shootings are only necessary when an immigrant (or “second-generation immigrant”) or African-American commits them. Since the last three big ones don’t fit the rule, they’re not worthy of coverage on this site.

    When the shooter is some white guy of random ancestry*, then I guess the only message is: learn to love it. Only an ethnocentric person would dream of restricting an American’s access to personal use of weapons of war.

    *I don’t know Nikolas Cruz’s ancestry, but, despite alt-right claims to the contrary, perhaps he was of random American descent. His biological mother was a drug addict and his biological half-brother is half-black.

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    Cruz is a guy that some would call white. He certainly isn't though, not in the sense of being a pure-blooded Euro. It is easy to see it in his bone structure.

    What I think is always curious about these shootings is so often the guy is someone whose parents are divorced or who grew up without a father. Liberals tend to pure environmentalists. You think they would pick up on this, and start campaigning for whole families. Or for some other way to try to replicate the old society where guns were more humdrum but in which school shootings were unheard of.

    But no, it's always against guns. Sometimes, it's for "common-sense" gun laws, but that is just an obvious ploy because so many talk nakedly about getting rid of guns when the audience is different.
    , @Alden
    Some commenters in other sites claim Nikolas is one of those severely damaged at birth Russian adoptees with fetal alcoholic syndrome.

    Who knows?

    Has there ever been a mass shooting at a private school? I don’t think so.
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  24. @Steve Sailer
    Hey, Matthew "Mad Men" Weiner felt himself bullied by anti-Semitism at 40% Jewish Harvard-Westlake. Weiner felt particularly bullied by a newspaper article mentioning that HW was 40% Jewish.

    Whoever heard of someone making an anti-Semitic statement at any institution that is exactly over 29% Jewish? I believe that’s the cut-off point at which anti-Semites say, “eh, I’ll save it until I move”.

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  25. What classic pulp bad guy names, Incognito and Pouncey. Jeepers, at this rate, you’ll have an NFL guy naming himself after a mistranslated Spanish number.
    OT Not one but FOUR of Israel’s deputies hid during the Parkland shooting

    https://nypost.com/2018/02/23/four-sheriffs-deputies-hid-during-florida-school-shooting/

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    Now if only those deputies had guns, they would have... oh, wait.

    Perhaps the solution is to employ only fully-armed former Navy SEALs as teachers. It will be the military-educational complex and LaPierre can keep his stack and his millions.

    Anyone not attending a school is on their own, though.
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  26. @International Jew
    I don't understand this at all. How does a huge guy like that get bullied in high school? (Is it fair to assume that if as an adult he reached 6'5" 315lb, then he was pretty big in high school too?)

    It’s likely made up or way over dramatized. Hard to believe as you’d think ppl would lie about not being bullied….but he’s likely mentally ill so everything is on the table.

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  27. @The Alarmist
    Yeah, OT, but the Children's Crusade and its terror e-mails and tweets to companies likeg Enterprise Rent-a-Car to boycott them if they don't drop NRA discounts is actually more interesting. That plus that Hogg kid, who has more prior on-camera appearances that most SAG-AFTRA talent is playing out as one of the better propaganda stories of recent history. Then you have not one, but apparently three #CowardCounty deputies hiding during the shooting.

    Sorry, but this is a goldmine.

    I find that David Hogg and the Latina Sinead O’Connor wannabe curious. Most school shooting survivors lay low, take time to grieve, compose themselves etc. These two seem to have come out of the school ready for TV and haven’t been off TV or Twitter since.

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    David Hogg is an actor -- I'm not commenting on his veracity: he's literally or you could say officially an actor, member of the school drama club, proudly displays a CNN t-shirt he got at a past tour of the studio, talks about becoming a movie actor or a TV anchor when he grows up. His dad was an FBI agent. Fusion GPS (of Russian urine dossier infamy) is connected, one of their employees (Nellie Ohr) was instrumental in setting up the Astroturf Kids activism groups. I didn't know Fusion GPS had personnel standing by ready to go in Debbie Wasserman-Schulz's congressional district, maybe Nellie was just on vacation.
    Even if we never learn more, this is dead in the water. This was massively mishandled and will not result in legislation. OT now there's a CDC staffer (USN Commander Timothy Cunningham) who went home sick a week ago and has not been heard from since.
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  28. @AndrewR
    I didn't follow this drama at all at the time, but no matter the details of what really happened to Martin, too many people downplay bullying. There are many reasons not to bully people, but the reason that even the most sociopathic people should care about is that if a person you've bullied decides to end their life, what on earth is stopping them from taking you with them? In most cases, the answer is: absolutely nothing. There's nothing to gain from making someone feel like they have nothing more to lose.

    The movie Billy Madison had a funny scene about this….I’ll go find it…

    Here it is

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  29. @Steve Sailer
    To be an effective NFL offensive lineman you have to be willing to absorb and to inflict very large amounts of pain. For example, where there's a loose fumble, what goes in the scramble at the bottom of the pile is vicious.

    My guess is that Martin didn't want to do either up to NFL offensive lineman standards.

    I used to think the under piles were vicious but now I’m not so sure. I never see any claims of broken fingers, Eye gouges, etc. Nor do I witness it with multiple HD cameras. I think it is somewhat an NFL urban myth

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    "I used to think the under piles were vicious but now I’m not so sure. I never see any claims of broken fingers, Eye gouges, etc. Nor do I witness it with multiple HD cameras. I think it is somewhat an NFL urban myth"

    Yes, that makes sense.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    They used to be. Read Conrad Dobler's book "They Call Me Dirty".
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  30. @Jim Don Bob
    People are all up in arms about why wasn't something done about this kid that everyone knew was a wacko. The answer is because he was a minority. BHO hammered schools for eight years for punishing NAMs more than whites, even though NAMs do way more bad stuff than whites. So schools said, fine, we won't punish NAMs. Problem solved.

    Same thing with the sheriff and the FBI. Who wants to be the cop/agent who gets assigned to pick on the NAM? Besides, the FBI is busy with the Steele dossier and corruption in college basketball.

    So the answer is - it's the fault of white guys, and we need more government and stricter gun control.

    Pretty much, yep. A white kid who did what Cruz did (39 arrests or home visits!!) would’ve been strung up

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  31. @Jim Don Bob
    People are all up in arms about why wasn't something done about this kid that everyone knew was a wacko. The answer is because he was a minority. BHO hammered schools for eight years for punishing NAMs more than whites, even though NAMs do way more bad stuff than whites. So schools said, fine, we won't punish NAMs. Problem solved.

    Same thing with the sheriff and the FBI. Who wants to be the cop/agent who gets assigned to pick on the NAM? Besides, the FBI is busy with the Steele dossier and corruption in college basketball.

    So the answer is - it's the fault of white guys, and we need more government and stricter gun control.

    The Conservative Treehouse says that it was a systemic effort between the sherrif’s office and the school district:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/23/broward-county-sheriffs-office-did-not-miss-warning-signs-or-make-mistakes/

    It looks plausible, but I can’t imagine this particular high school had to suppress that much crime.

    Trump’s Luck strikes again, no matter how much we don’t want it to.

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    It wasn't the aggregate amount of crime that Broward County Democrats needed to suppress at that (pretty good) high school. It was the ratio of blacks/Hispanics being disciplined to white kids. Statistically, Nikolas Cruz would have been an Hispanic, whether or not he had an iota of Hispanic ancestry.
    , @guest
    Do they think of it in high school by high school terms?

    In any case, there are Dieversity concerns. The Discipline Gap, dontcha know.
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  32. @Steve Sailer
    Hey, Matthew "Mad Men" Weiner felt himself bullied by anti-Semitism at 40% Jewish Harvard-Westlake. Weiner felt particularly bullied by a newspaper article mentioning that HW was 40% Jewish.

    This is the the blatant (and quite frankly, baffling) hypocrisy of the matter:

    White people can become “honorary” blacks by other black people, but black people always seem to complain that they can’t become “honorary” whites. Realistically though, it’s a lot easier for black people to fit in with white people than vice versa. Of course, “black people” and “white people” seem just to be euphemisms for inner city/low class culture vs. suburban/middle-high class culture, respectively.

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    Except higher-class blacks feel disproportionate pressure to be blacker ("Am I black enough for ya?"), meaning low-class. Or in Obama's case, radical. (He's low-class in occasional diction only.) There's no pressure amongst whites to be white trash.

    Oh, middle and above-class whites do ape lower culture, for instance by doing drugs, being promiscuous, listening to rock and rap, wearing trucker hats, all that crap. But no one takes that seriously. Everyone knows the difference between high-falutin' low-classedness and actual low-classedness.

    Blacks, on the other hand, take it seriously. It's like the only thing they take seriously.

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  33. Harvard-Westlake was in the Mission league back in the 90′s, with Sailer’s HS Alma mater Notre Dame and mine, Chaminade. Their football team was terrible at the time.

    I remember the Martin/Incognito story pretty well. Incognito was assigned the predictable “racist white guy” label because Martin was quick to assume the victim role in their relationship. After all the texts were sorted out, it turns out Martin and Incognito were fairly close buddies who used to do a lot of partying together. By that time, the narrative had been established and the media had moved on, with the truth being of little interest.

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  34. @AndrewR
    I didn't follow this drama at all at the time, but no matter the details of what really happened to Martin, too many people downplay bullying. There are many reasons not to bully people, but the reason that even the most sociopathic people should care about is that if a person you've bullied decides to end their life, what on earth is stopping them from taking you with them? In most cases, the answer is: absolutely nothing. There's nothing to gain from making someone feel like they have nothing more to lose.

    There are many reasons not to bully people, but the reason that even the most sociopathic people should care about is that if a person you’ve bullied decides to end their life, what on earth is stopping them from taking you with them?

    I was raised (in the 1970’s) to know there is ONE reason not to bully: A man doesn’t pick fights with people weaker than himself, a man defends women, children, and old folks. My dad would have beat me senseless if I’d ever bullied a weakling or puny kid and done even worse to me if I’d ever raised a hand to a woman (no matter how much they ask for it). My kid has been raised the same way – he knows beyond any doubt the most scary thing in the world is his dad just as I knew the same.

    Today we see cowardly emasculated pansy cops, four of them at last count, hiding outside a school while a mental defective with a gun given him by his single mommy murdered seventeen other kids. These are not men. A man does not hide while children are being slaughtered.

    And perhaps there is a much larger lesson here. Would our great grandfathers have sat watching while their nation was being invaded by foreign criminals? I’m as guilty of this as the rest of us. What has happened? Have we been chemically castrated?

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    Today we see cowardly emasculated pansy cops, four of them at last count, hiding outside a school while a mental defective with a gun given him by his single mommy murdered seventeen other kids. These are not men. A man does not hide while children are being slaughtered.
     
    I can't wrap my mind around the idea of their being multiple cops like that, in a single situation, so I looked it up and came up with just the one we already knew about. So is this true or not??
    , @J.Ross

    (in the 1970’s) to know there is ONE reason not to bully: A man doesn’t pick fights with people weaker than himself, a man defends women, children, and old folks. My dad would have beat me senseless if I’d ever bullied a weakling or puny kid and done even worse to me if I’d ever raised a hand to a woman (no matter how much they ask for it).
     
    Terviesin Deep Concern Face.
    , @AndrewR
    White-knighting like you and your dad are prone to is a primary cause of the mess we're in. The direct result of the white-knighting you endorse and enforce is women dominating men, since they know there will be no consequences to bad behavior. Women dominating men politically has led to womanly political policies like open borders. Men evolved to protect the tribe from outsiders; women evolved to tend to the tribe and not have to worry about outsiders, since that's what the men are for. If the men fail at their role and allow the tribe to be overrun by outsiders, women will naturally abandon their own men and submit to the invaders.

    Obviously I do not condone abuse of any sort towards anyone, but the sex of a person should not enter into whether it's acceptable to use physical force against them. If there's a situation where it would be acceptable to "raise a hand" to a man, it would be equally acceptable if it were to a woman. Granted, everything else being equal, the median man could win a fight with 90% of women but that's where proportional force comes into play. You use precisely the exact amount of force needed to achieve your objective - no more force than necessary. This is imperative no matter whom you're dealing with.

    When we say "a gentleman never strikes a lady," inherent in that rule is that the lady act like a lady. Only very unladylike behavior would make the average man even think about striking a woman. Ladies, by definition, are respectful towards other people and thus would generally not attract violence unto themselves.

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  35. Why do mention of the groom’s father in that banns, other than that he is deceased? Dare we conjecture based upon statistical data regarding bastardy and paternal abandonment among Negroes?

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  36. @International Jew
    I don't understand this at all. How does a huge guy like that get bullied in high school? (Is it fair to assume that if as an adult he reached 6'5" 315lb, then he was pretty big in high school too?)

    In the mid early UFC, Tim Sylvia was the heavyweight champ but got routinely bullied and run down by guys in his camp forty to sixty pounds lighter.

    I guarantee this Martin has immense brain damage. His neck seems thin and I will bet his brain is close to his skull. Terrible.

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    If you think his brain damage is bad, imagine how bad his colon must be after what he's gone through in the locker room.
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  37. I remember when Incognito was on the St. Louis Rams, we could always count on him commiting an unbelievably stupid penalty at an inopportune time to kill a drive or push the team out of field goal range.

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  38. @International Jew
    I don't understand this at all. How does a huge guy like that get bullied in high school? (Is it fair to assume that if as an adult he reached 6'5" 315lb, then he was pretty big in high school too?)

    Sometimes it just takes awhile to learn that you don’t have to take it. Some people never figure it out. I’m a big guy now and was a big kid then, and I was bullied up until the end of 9th grade. The worst offender was fond of calling me a fag more or less nonstop. One day I finally decided I had enough and decked him with one punch, after which he never spoke a word to me in the remaining three years of high school. Incidentally, years later when looking up old classmates on Facebook I decided to look up my old tormenter. Turns out he had come out of the closet.

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    It's worse now, because the liberal teachers will punish the kid who fights back. That's what Zero Tolerance REALLY means.
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  39. @Lugash
    The Conservative Treehouse says that it was a systemic effort between the sherrif's office and the school district:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/23/broward-county-sheriffs-office-did-not-miss-warning-signs-or-make-mistakes/

    It looks plausible, but I can't imagine this particular high school had to suppress that much crime.

    Trump's Luck strikes again, no matter how much we don't want it to.

    It wasn’t the aggregate amount of crime that Broward County Democrats needed to suppress at that (pretty good) high school. It was the ratio of blacks/Hispanics being disciplined to white kids. Statistically, Nikolas Cruz would have been an Hispanic, whether or not he had an iota of Hispanic ancestry.

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  40. I can’t imagine this particular high school had to suppress that much crime.
    Looking for it now but it was abnormally bad, even for Florida. Trayvon was in this county (but not this school).
    OT Kurt Eichenwald demands to know since when has entertainment become divisively politicized! He’s literally shaking with outrage!

    https://mobile.twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/967099229092139009

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  42. OT: Steve, I thought you’d be interested in this story:

    http://www.livemint.com/Politics/x2nWYRZipUuWH4gh5rITMN/H1B-visa-approvals-get-tougher-Indian-IT-firms-likely-to-b.html

    Why now? My guess is that the recent Indian budget, which was introduced in February added a huge number of tariffs.

    This in a context of India’s PM Narendra Modi going to Davos, just a few weeks before the budget unveiling, to blast protectionism in thinly veiled swipes against the US and even went as far as comparing it to terrorism(!). Tit for tat, probably. But it fits into the pattern of tightening of H1B which you’ve been covering.

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  43. @Patrick in SC
    Are we sure he isn't biracial?

    From the New York Post:

    https://nypost.com/2018/02/23/bullied-nfl-lineman-posts-shotgun-photo-forces-high-school-to-close/

    Martin has largely been out of the public spotlight since retiring in 2015 after a brief stint with the Panthers. In 2016, the bi-racial athlete revealed that he had tried committing suicide multiple times throughout his life and was not comfortable growing up in the ritzy Los Angeles area he and his parents to moved to when he was 10 years old.

    “You learn to tone down your size & blackness by becoming shy, introverted, friendly, so you won’t scare the little rich white kids or their parents,” he wrote in a 2016 social media post.

    Neither black nor white people accept you because they don’t understand you. It takes away your self-confidence, your self-worth, your sanity.”

     

    It’s almost as if miscegenation is a terrible idea with all.kinds of undesirable consequences people may not deem.immediately obvious but which time and wisdom have therefore quite rightly made taboo, such that flippantly embracing them is stupid and dangerous.

    In other news, putting ones penis in another’s rectum is unsanitary and spreads vile contagions; bastardy makes for poverty, resentment, and crime; heterogeneous populations breed distrust and social bedlam; giving things to lazy and irresponsible people creates perverse incentives….

    Man, it’s as if all kinds of stodgy rules and mores the Man and the squares are always on about are in fact rooted in experiences learned the hard way over millennia of blood, sweat, and tears.

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    This is what happens when you combine historical ignorance, contempt for the aggregated wisdom that comprises the learned lessons of 10 or 100 millennia, and self-righteous hubris.

    But hey, reality gets the last word. The questions is how much needless suffering must be visited on the innocent until they relearn what we already know.
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  44. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Triumph104

    Martin is a cultured upper middle class half-black kid (one of his parents went to Harvard U.)
     
    Both of Jonathan Martin's parents are black and are Harvard College and Radcliffe graduates. Richie Incognito said that Martin was half-black but that is not true. If Martin had gone to Harvard instead of Stanford, he would have been the fourth generation of black men in his family to have attended Harvard. His mother also graduated from Harvard Law, while his father graduated from Duquesne Law School and received his PhD from the University of Pittsburgh in the same department that his father-in-law was a professor.

    Of the alleged bullies mentioned in Jonathan Martin's recent tweet, Richie Incognito is white, NFL player Mike Pouncey is half white/ half black. Former Harvard Westlake classmates: TJ Taylor is black, and James Dunleavy is white. Dunleavy is the son of former NBA player and NBA coach Mike Dunleavy Sr. and the brother of NBA player Mike Dunleavy Jr..

    http://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/14/style/jane-howard-and-clarence-martin-jr-law-students-wed.html

    If Martin had gone to Harvard instead of Stanford, he would have been the fourth generation of black men in his family to have attended Harvard.

    Amazing the things we learn here. Things like this, which–according to the larger culture–are absolutely impossible. I mean, it’s like you guys haven’t even heard of systemic racism, and also, shut up.

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    Is that Amritsar? Is he pleading for the safety of Canadian air traffic?
    , @Ed
    Don’t think Obama did anything like this idiot is doing.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    We must be fair. If you want to visit the Golden Temple you have to cover your hair and go barefoot. Them's the rules!


    (no need for the praying gestures and the full shalwar khameez, though. They give men the orange covering on the way into the temple)

    , @tyrone
    children do like to play dress up don't they……India not amused,even though it is funny as hell.
    , @fish
    You guys need to get off Justins back.....he changed into a suit for formal meetings later!


    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjb_ujDhL_ZAhVV02MKHc1mCcQQjRx6BAgAEAY&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fandrewwoodhouse%2Fstatus%2F760165359764836352&psig=AOvVaw3DWpZDSjgVrN2i6IoLrISV&ust=1519578306315064
    , @Alden
    I’m sure Andrew R, Robin G L Woods and the other guys who called the Russian artist a slut and attention whore because of her self portrait with neck shoulders and arms showing totally approve of the Trudeau women totally covered from head to toe with only hands and face showing.

    This site is full of guys ranting that women wearing short skirts and sleeveless tops are inviting rape so how can you all disapprove of the Trudeaus shrouding them selves?

    I well remember how many men commented that the girls at the Arianna Grande concert deserved to be killed because they dressed like “ sluts”

    I also remember how many men commented that the German women who were assaulted by Muslim and black immigrants during the German Nee Years deserved it because they dressed like “sluts” .

    Given that it was about 40F that night in the middle of winter the “ slutty” outfits were covered by winter coats, pants, boots and gloves. and little flesh was seen.

    Make up your minds guys. From reading this site I’ve gathered that most of you think that the shalmar kameez with covered head and neck and sleeves covering half the hand should be the national dress for European and American women to avoid being named sluts who deserve rape because of the way we dress.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    eah, actually looks like the guy who handled my bags at the Toronto Airport, and I mean my luggage.
    , @Alden
    Trudeau’s daughter just turned 9 this month. Even the most traditional Hindus and Muslims don’t cover up their daughters like that until they are 12 or so depending on their height.

    The scarves are part of the shalmar kameez It’s usually worn around the neck, not wrapped around the head like a hijab. He probably didn’t want them to wear saris because the short sleeves of the blouse might offend the strict Muslims.

    There are a zillion pictures of Mrs Kennedy’s trip to India and Pakistan in the early 1960s. She wore sleeve less scoop necked dresses with knee length skirts. And no one objected. She did wear bright Indian colors instead of drab western black and beige. The colors were her homage to Indian fashion.

    Times have changed. The British Foreign and Colonial Office recently had a hijab day. Hijabs were handed out and all the women were encouraged to wear them.

    How long before it becomes part of the dress code?
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  46. @Hodag
    In the mid early UFC, Tim Sylvia was the heavyweight champ but got routinely bullied and run down by guys in his camp forty to sixty pounds lighter.

    I guarantee this Martin has immense brain damage. His neck seems thin and I will bet his brain is close to his skull. Terrible.

    If you think his brain damage is bad, imagine how bad his colon must be after what he’s gone through in the locker room.

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  47. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Speaking of bullying, any thoughts on Brendan Fraser, Steve?

    https://www.gq.com/story/what-ever-happened-to-brendan-fraser

    The story he wants to relay took place, he says, in the summer of 2003, in the Beverly Hills Hotel, at a luncheon held by the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, the organization that hosts the Golden Globes. On Fraser’s way out of the hotel, he was hailed by Philip Berk, a former president of the HFPA. In the midst of a crowded room, Berk reached out to shake Fraser’s hand. Much of what happened next Berk recounted in his memoir and was also reported by Sharon Waxman in The New York Times: He pinched Fraser’s ass—in jest, according to Berk. But Fraser says what Berk did was more than a pinch: “His left hand reaches around, grabs my ass cheek, and one of his fingers touches me in the taint. And he starts moving it around.” Fraser says that in this moment he was overcome with panic and fear.

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    Any normal man would rather take a beating than tell a tale like that in public. What a wuss! But, after all, he is an actor, and as Dorothy Parker said, "Scratch an actor, find an actress."
    , @songbird
    Most Hollywood stars right through the '80s would have broken the guy's nose.
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  48. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan d Mute

    There are many reasons not to bully people, but the reason that even the most sociopathic people should care about is that if a person you’ve bullied decides to end their life, what on earth is stopping them from taking you with them?
     
    I was raised (in the 1970’s) to know there is ONE reason not to bully: A man doesn’t pick fights with people weaker than himself, a man defends women, children, and old folks. My dad would have beat me senseless if I’d ever bullied a weakling or puny kid and done even worse to me if I’d ever raised a hand to a woman (no matter how much they ask for it). My kid has been raised the same way - he knows beyond any doubt the most scary thing in the world is his dad just as I knew the same.

    Today we see cowardly emasculated pansy cops, four of them at last count, hiding outside a school while a mental defective with a gun given him by his single mommy murdered seventeen other kids. These are not men. A man does not hide while children are being slaughtered.

    And perhaps there is a much larger lesson here. Would our great grandfathers have sat watching while their nation was being invaded by foreign criminals? I’m as guilty of this as the rest of us. What has happened? Have we been chemically castrated?

    Today we see cowardly emasculated pansy cops, four of them at last count, hiding outside a school while a mental defective with a gun given him by his single mommy murdered seventeen other kids. These are not men. A man does not hide while children are being slaughtered.

    I can’t wrap my mind around the idea of their being multiple cops like that, in a single situation, so I looked it up and came up with just the one we already knew about. So is this true or not??

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    IIRC there were SWAT teams from three different Police Depts. at Columbine cowering in their armored vehicles for hours while the slaughter went on inside the school . Cowards to a man . They're at their best kicking in doors of unarmed people in the middle of the night , preferably at the wrong address .

    A heartwarming story out of Texas :

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/18/texas-man-cleared-of-murder-after-shooting-swat-team-member-during-no-knock-warrant/
    , @Rod1963
    http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/23/four-deputies-waited-outside-stoneman-douglas/

    But it gets better - the cowardly cop lived at the school rent free.
    https://reason.com/blog/2018/02/23/school-resource-officer-scot-peterson-pa

    The cops are useless. This is the take away for the people. Put your kid in a public school and they are fair game. Look at Cruz's record(what we know of it) this mental defective was trouble in junior high and just got worse as time went on. He did everything from assault students, fight with teachers, destroy school property and even sell knives on campus with impunity. Sure he'd get transferred to some "special needs school" for a while but then would be mainstreamed.

    In the 70's hyper violent punks like him would never have been alllowed in normal schools but would have ended up in "continuation schools" because of the threat they posed to students.

    But it gets better - the sheriff is a corrupt power seeking SOB.
    https://reason.com/blog/2018/02/23/broward-county-sheriff-scott-israel-accu
    , @Alden
    It’s true. The first 3 who arrived waited for the rest to show up. Many cops qualify once a year and don’t really train much. And after Trayvon and Mike Brown who’s to blame them for holding back?

    I was only a probation officer and the liberal Jews and black activists watched us like vultures ready to accuse us of racism for looking the wrong way at a black thug.

    Wilson was trapped in the car by 2 thugs, Mike at the door and the other in the passenger seat. Zimmerman’s head was pounded in the sidewalk.

    Every day police and sheriffs sit through a muster before they go out

    Every day they are told to tread lightly so the department doesn’t get sued and accused of racism and the cops don’t go through hell and be forced to resign because some activist attorneys and the media decides they are the resurrection of Hitler and the KKK because they arrrsted a black thug.
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  49. @Been
    Oh yes, the old Isteve rule: media orgies over mass shootings are only necessary when an immigrant (or "second-generation immigrant") or African-American commits them. Since the last three big ones don't fit the rule, they're not worthy of coverage on this site.

    When the shooter is some white guy of random ancestry*, then I guess the only message is: learn to love it. Only an ethnocentric person would dream of restricting an American's access to personal use of weapons of war.

    *I don't know Nikolas Cruz's ancestry, but, despite alt-right claims to the contrary, perhaps he was of random American descent. His biological mother was a drug addict and his biological half-brother is half-black.

    Cruz is a guy that some would call white. He certainly isn’t though, not in the sense of being a pure-blooded Euro. It is easy to see it in his bone structure.

    What I think is always curious about these shootings is so often the guy is someone whose parents are divorced or who grew up without a father. Liberals tend to pure environmentalists. You think they would pick up on this, and start campaigning for whole families. Or for some other way to try to replicate the old society where guns were more humdrum but in which school shootings were unheard of.

    But no, it’s always against guns. Sometimes, it’s for “common-sense” gun laws, but that is just an obvious ploy because so many talk nakedly about getting rid of guns when the audience is different.

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    Perhaps Cruz's biological parents were illegal Mexican immigrants, like Steve Sailer's biological parents. They could even be third cousins, twice removed, like Brooks and Pinkner.
    , @Corn
    “Liberals tend to pure environmentalists. You think they would pick up on this, and start campaigning for whole families. Or for some other way to try to replicate the old society where guns were more humdrum but in which school shootings were unheard of.”

    Liberals are too wedded to the Sexual Revolution to do that. Awhile back our favorite Russian-American Julia Ioffe took heat on twitter for pointing out that alot of lone wolf shooters/terrorists came from fatherless homes.
    , @Alden
    Cruz Dad was in his sixties and Mom late 50s when they adopted him. First Dad died then Mom.

    Lots of Whites have high cheekbones.
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  50. @Patrick in SC
    Are we sure he isn't biracial?

    From the New York Post:

    https://nypost.com/2018/02/23/bullied-nfl-lineman-posts-shotgun-photo-forces-high-school-to-close/

    Martin has largely been out of the public spotlight since retiring in 2015 after a brief stint with the Panthers. In 2016, the bi-racial athlete revealed that he had tried committing suicide multiple times throughout his life and was not comfortable growing up in the ritzy Los Angeles area he and his parents to moved to when he was 10 years old.

    “You learn to tone down your size & blackness by becoming shy, introverted, friendly, so you won’t scare the little rich white kids or their parents,” he wrote in a 2016 social media post.

    Neither black nor white people accept you because they don’t understand you. It takes away your self-confidence, your self-worth, your sanity.”

     

    Both parents are black. In the video, Richie Incognito said Martin was half-black which is not true.

    Father Photo 1 Photo 2

    Mother Photo 1 Photo 2

    Maternal grandmother Photo 1 Photo 2

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    About Jonathan Martin. He is one quarter black. Half black father times a half black mother means you come out one quarter black. Especially when both parents at 5%ers. The elite of the talented tenth.
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  51. @Corn
    I find that David Hogg and the Latina Sinead O’Connor wannabe curious. Most school shooting survivors lay low, take time to grieve, compose themselves etc. These two seem to have come out of the school ready for TV and haven’t been off TV or Twitter since.

    David Hogg is an actor — I’m not commenting on his veracity: he’s literally or you could say officially an actor, member of the school drama club, proudly displays a CNN t-shirt he got at a past tour of the studio, talks about becoming a movie actor or a TV anchor when he grows up. His dad was an FBI agent. Fusion GPS (of Russian urine dossier infamy) is connected, one of their employees (Nellie Ohr) was instrumental in setting up the Astroturf Kids activism groups. I didn’t know Fusion GPS had personnel standing by ready to go in Debbie Wasserman-Schulz’s congressional district, maybe Nellie was just on vacation.
    Even if we never learn more, this is dead in the water. This was massively mishandled and will not result in legislation. OT now there’s a CDC staffer (USN Commander Timothy Cunningham) who went home sick a week ago and has not been heard from since.

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  52. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Justin Trudeau proves that he’s his mother’s son. I understand her problem is that she’s bipolar. I’m beginning to think Justin is also mentally ill, it’s just that he hasn’t acted crazy enough to convince other people yet.

    http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2018/02/23/justin-trudeaus-wardrobe-mocked-during-india-visit-too-indian-even-for-indian.html

    There’s an iron rule about visiting other countries as a head of state. You can wear a native costume exactly one time during the visit and no more. I’m surprised his wife didn’t put a stop to it before he made such a idiot out of himself.

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    " I’m beginning to think Justin is also mentally ill, it’s just that he hasn’t acted crazy enough to convince other people yet."

    "beginning to think" LOL .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYDxxHrlmUg
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    His wife is as inept at official ettiquette as he is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbMXYgYxRaY
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  53. @Stan d Mute

    There are many reasons not to bully people, but the reason that even the most sociopathic people should care about is that if a person you’ve bullied decides to end their life, what on earth is stopping them from taking you with them?
     
    I was raised (in the 1970’s) to know there is ONE reason not to bully: A man doesn’t pick fights with people weaker than himself, a man defends women, children, and old folks. My dad would have beat me senseless if I’d ever bullied a weakling or puny kid and done even worse to me if I’d ever raised a hand to a woman (no matter how much they ask for it). My kid has been raised the same way - he knows beyond any doubt the most scary thing in the world is his dad just as I knew the same.

    Today we see cowardly emasculated pansy cops, four of them at last count, hiding outside a school while a mental defective with a gun given him by his single mommy murdered seventeen other kids. These are not men. A man does not hide while children are being slaughtered.

    And perhaps there is a much larger lesson here. Would our great grandfathers have sat watching while their nation was being invaded by foreign criminals? I’m as guilty of this as the rest of us. What has happened? Have we been chemically castrated?

    (in the 1970’s) to know there is ONE reason not to bully: A man doesn’t pick fights with people weaker than himself, a man defends women, children, and old folks. My dad would have beat me senseless if I’d ever bullied a weakling or puny kid and done even worse to me if I’d ever raised a hand to a woman (no matter how much they ask for it).

    Terviesin Deep Concern Face.

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  54. @Danindc
    I used to think the under piles were vicious but now I’m not so sure. I never see any claims of broken fingers, Eye gouges, etc. Nor do I witness it with multiple HD cameras. I think it is somewhat an NFL urban myth

    “I used to think the under piles were vicious but now I’m not so sure. I never see any claims of broken fingers, Eye gouges, etc. Nor do I witness it with multiple HD cameras. I think it is somewhat an NFL urban myth”

    Yes, that makes sense.

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    correct.
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  55. @eah
    Cultural Contagion

    White Obama and his self-hating fam -- Never go full white Obama.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWxW4DcUQAAdFRQ.jpg

    Is that Amritsar? Is he pleading for the safety of Canadian air traffic?

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    Did he 'do as the Indians do' and squat in a field to take a shit?
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  56. @Triumph104
    Dave Chappelle is friends with John Mayer.

    Mayer, 32, told an interviewer: "Someone asked me the other day, 'What does it feel like now to have a hood pass?' And by the way, it's sort of a contradiction in terms, because if you really had a hood pass, you could call it a n***** pass." ...

    When asked by the interviewer, "Do black women throw themselves at you?", Mayer responds: "I don't think I open myself to it. My d*** is sort of like a white supremacist. I've got a Benetton heart and a f***** David Duke c*** I'm going to start dating separately from my d***."
     

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/feb/11/john-mayer-playboy-interview

    Actresses like musicians.

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    dumb and dumber! haha. You are so leading me, Steve. But, you are correct: Most people do not want to "sound/appear" stupider than their date, or some random person they may have thought they were interested in, or, they are interested in. They also, don't want Other People in Their Lives..to know they have a date.

    I have given my sons a lot of info about girls, sex, women, life, money..all kinds of stuff. What I find frightening is: most people do not.

    , @Obsessive Contrarian
    1. Actresses are cray. (There are one or two exceptions, but those were women who stumbled into acting because mommy pushed them, or weird circumstance, like Sophia Loren.)

    2. Which musicians? Rock musicians.
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  57. @International Jew
    I don't understand this at all. How does a huge guy like that get bullied in high school? (Is it fair to assume that if as an adult he reached 6'5" 315lb, then he was pretty big in high school too?)

    well, it is the gay thing. I always heard the black players were tougher on him than the white players. Locker room talk – even with my sons (they still will not rat out that guy who got another kid into trouble…) on the team – the idea of “the team” is sacrosant.

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  58. @Steve Sailer
    Actresses like musicians.

    dumb and dumber! haha. You are so leading me, Steve. But, you are correct: Most people do not want to “sound/appear” stupider than their date, or some random person they may have thought they were interested in, or, they are interested in. They also, don’t want Other People in Their Lives..to know they have a date.

    I have given my sons a lot of info about girls, sex, women, life, money..all kinds of stuff. What I find frightening is: most people do not.

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  59. @Anonymous
    He's probably half-black in the way that someone like Steph Curry is half-black. That is both their parents are around half-black in terms of ancestry and thus less black than the average black.

    It’s like the mulatto elite in Haiti. They eliminated whites from Haiti a long time ago, but so long as the mulatto community marries amongst itself, they will still retain their mixed proportions.

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    Interestingly enough, the Haitians-both black and colored-didn't have much of an issue with the Overseas German community which held a stranglehold on political and economic power in the late 1800s and early 1900s, until we occupied the country and expelled them. This was for a host of reasons: a big one was that the Germans were more willing than other Europeans to consort and intermarry with the prominent mulatto families, allowing them to bypass the rules against whites owning land. They also proved more than willing to fund Haitian politicians and revolutionaries who were detrimental to the interests of American businessmen, which, Wilsonian rhetoric aside, was a major factor in our invasion of the country.

    (And possibly because they, unlike all the other European colonizers, played no historical role in the African slave trade. As @Doug mentioned, with the obvious exception of the period of complete genocidal insanity from 1929-1945 and things like the treatment of the Herero, Germans, despite their innate conservatism, generally look pretty darned progressive on the human issues compared to most other Europeans. German-Americans were the only ethnicity to seriously care about the fate of Indians in the US, for example. Compare that to the flat out genocidal approach of the English/Scots-Irish and the Spaniards.)

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  60. @Steve Sailer
    "I used to think the under piles were vicious but now I’m not so sure. I never see any claims of broken fingers, Eye gouges, etc. Nor do I witness it with multiple HD cameras. I think it is somewhat an NFL urban myth"

    Yes, that makes sense.

    correct.

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  61. @Steve Sailer
    To be an effective NFL offensive lineman you have to be willing to absorb and to inflict very large amounts of pain. For example, where there's a loose fumble, what goes in the scramble at the bottom of the pile is vicious.

    My guess is that Martin didn't want to do either up to NFL offensive lineman standards.

    beating a dead horse became a thing in the 18th century.

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  62. @Steve Sailer
    To be an effective NFL offensive lineman you have to be willing to absorb and to inflict very large amounts of pain. For example, where there's a loose fumble, what goes in the scramble at the bottom of the pile is vicious.

    My guess is that Martin didn't want to do either up to NFL offensive lineman standards.

    beating a dead horse became a thing in the 18th century. Martin was like “Ferdinand, the Bull.” apologies to: the Blind Side showing a guy (not Martin, at all) playing high stakes HS and recruiting football for Uni.

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    I wonder, surely it's not from Raskolnikov's dream?
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  63. OT — Continuing the theme of foreign meddling, liberals finally go after AIPAC: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sorry-democrats-your-nra-is-spelled-aipac_us_59d62c62e4b0666ad0c3cb12

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  64. @Lagertha
    beating a dead horse became a thing in the 18th century. Martin was like "Ferdinand, the Bull." apologies to: the Blind Side showing a guy (not Martin, at all) playing high stakes HS and recruiting football for Uni.

    I wonder, surely it’s not from Raskolnikov’s dream?

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    failing now, will carry on Sunday.
    , @Lagertha
    haha - love you guys...I am failing- can not to compute anymore, tonight.
    https://youtu.be/GHhD4PD75zY
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  65. OT: Heathers Remake

    When the genderqueer Heather Duke spies the black—and supposedly lesbian—Heather McNamara making out with a male teacher, Duke exclaims, “Heather Chandler is going to shit herself skinny when she finds out our black lesbian friend is actually only black!”

    http://archive.fo/iJecC

    The New Heathers is a Trumpian, LGBT-bashing Nightmare
    I might see this.

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    "I love my dead gay son!"
    , @DFH

    Younger viewers—and anyone else who inhabits a real, fact-based world—will know that LGBT and gender non-conforming kids still face disproportionate rates of bullying in school and have a greater likelihood of self-harm. It simply is not true that the tables have turned and the marginalized kids are now in charge. Are there some mean genderqueer people and hurtful art geeks out there? Absolutely. But the Heathers of 2018 acts as if it is now universally the case that these groups can access social capital.

     

    Remember - the people who think that a man wearing a dress is a woman (and not mentally ill) are the ones living in a fact-based world
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  66. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Never underestimate the psychic ramifications of turning one’s back on Harford in favor of Stanvard.

    Which reminds me– the little Hedge Fund Lives Matter twerp from last year didn’t even enroll at the place which accepted (with, somehow, great fanfare?) his ridiculous copypasta application:

    http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2018/02/16/nonprofit-presents-black-history-month-showcase/

    LEAP is tremendously thoughtful in everything that they do, which is exemplified in the details of their work,” said Ziad Ahmed ’21, a Timothy Dwight College community engagement fellow at LEAP. “LEAP is thinking carefully about what their students might need … LEAP is an organization that provides a space not only to dream — but also provides a space to make those dreams happen.”

    To think, this kid is going to be enriching journalism with such man-on-the-street insights until grad school applications in 2020, or potentially well into the Ivanka or Chelsea Administrations

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  67. @J.Ross
    What classic pulp bad guy names, Incognito and Pouncey. Jeepers, at this rate, you'll have an NFL guy naming himself after a mistranslated Spanish number.
    OT Not one but FOUR of Israel's deputies hid during the Parkland shooting
    https://nypost.com/2018/02/23/four-sheriffs-deputies-hid-during-florida-school-shooting/

    Now if only those deputies had guns, they would have… oh, wait.

    Perhaps the solution is to employ only fully-armed former Navy SEALs as teachers. It will be the military-educational complex and LaPierre can keep his stack and his millions.

    Anyone not attending a school is on their own, though.

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    I am a big fan of the 2A. But on another note I'm thinking that the general trend of white majority countries outside the USA not having the 2A will be useful when the time comes.
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  68. @songbird
    Cruz is a guy that some would call white. He certainly isn't though, not in the sense of being a pure-blooded Euro. It is easy to see it in his bone structure.

    What I think is always curious about these shootings is so often the guy is someone whose parents are divorced or who grew up without a father. Liberals tend to pure environmentalists. You think they would pick up on this, and start campaigning for whole families. Or for some other way to try to replicate the old society where guns were more humdrum but in which school shootings were unheard of.

    But no, it's always against guns. Sometimes, it's for "common-sense" gun laws, but that is just an obvious ploy because so many talk nakedly about getting rid of guns when the audience is different.

    Perhaps Cruz’s biological parents were illegal Mexican immigrants, like Steve Sailer’s biological parents. They could even be third cousins, twice removed, like Brooks and Pinkner.

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  69. @istevefan
    It's like the mulatto elite in Haiti. They eliminated whites from Haiti a long time ago, but so long as the mulatto community marries amongst itself, they will still retain their mixed proportions.

    Interestingly enough, the Haitians-both black and colored-didn’t have much of an issue with the Overseas German community which held a stranglehold on political and economic power in the late 1800s and early 1900s, until we occupied the country and expelled them. This was for a host of reasons: a big one was that the Germans were more willing than other Europeans to consort and intermarry with the prominent mulatto families, allowing them to bypass the rules against whites owning land. They also proved more than willing to fund Haitian politicians and revolutionaries who were detrimental to the interests of American businessmen, which, Wilsonian rhetoric aside, was a major factor in our invasion of the country.

    (And possibly because they, unlike all the other European colonizers, played no historical role in the African slave trade. As @Doug mentioned, with the obvious exception of the period of complete genocidal insanity from 1929-1945 and things like the treatment of the Herero, Germans, despite their innate conservatism, generally look pretty darned progressive on the human issues compared to most other Europeans. German-Americans were the only ethnicity to seriously care about the fate of Indians in the US, for example. Compare that to the flat out genocidal approach of the English/Scots-Irish and the Spaniards.)

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    with the obvious exception of the period of complete genocidal insanity from 1929-1945 and things like the treatment of the Herero, Germans, despite their innate conservatism, generally look pretty darned progressive on the human issues compared to most other Europeans.

    "Other than THAT, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
    , @fnn

    complete genocidal insanity from 1929-1945
     
    1941-45.
    , @Triumph104
    Interesting. I never knew about the history of Germans in Haiti. I found this in the description box of an otherwise pointless YouTube video. LINK

    of Donald Trump was Johannes Drumpft, born in Germany on March 26, 1789. The Germans have an interesting story in Haiti

    The first known German establishment in Santo Domingo (colonial Haiti) was at Bombardopolis, south of Mole-Saint-Nicolas. About a thousand Germans including Johannes Drumpft came to Bombardopolis in the eighteenth century and managed to make a living from growing coffee. Many of them received Haitian citizenship thanks to Jean-Jacques Dessalines after 1804, and gradually mixed with the rest of the population.

    Johannes Drumpft (Trump) stayed in Haiti for a few years and returned to his native country where he died at the age of 46 in Bavaria on November 22, 1835 leaving behind 3 children Maria Katharina Drumpft; Anna Elizabeth Schwinn and Christian Johannes Trump father of Friedrich Trump who is the grandfather of American President Donald Trump.

    A little known history of Haitian hospitality and virtue: in December 1840, a boat from Bremen with 170 German emigrants on board had been destroyed at Point Isabella and driven on the coast in high winds. No life was lost, but the passengers were brought to Cap-Haïtien deprived of all their property. Their misfortunes aroused the sympathy of the good people of Cap-Haïtien. Having no German consul present in Cap-Haïtien in 1840, they could have died of hunger if it was not for the generous help of all Cape Haitian citizens. They were accommodated and cared for with food, medical assistance and clothing. Some of them stayed in Haiti and never reached their destination.

    German merchants started to settle permanently in Haiti in the 1850s.
     
    , @Alden
    I never heard of a German presence in Haiti. Thanks, I learn something new every day from the UNZ commenters.

    The mix of expertise and knowledge from the commenters on this site is as good as the mix of articles.
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  70. @J.Ross
    I wonder, surely it's not from Raskolnikov's dream?

    failing now, will carry on Sunday.

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  71. @J.Ross
    I wonder, surely it's not from Raskolnikov's dream?

    haha – love you guys…I am failing- can not to compute anymore, tonight.

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  72. @Been
    Now if only those deputies had guns, they would have... oh, wait.

    Perhaps the solution is to employ only fully-armed former Navy SEALs as teachers. It will be the military-educational complex and LaPierre can keep his stack and his millions.

    Anyone not attending a school is on their own, though.

    I am a big fan of the 2A. But on another note I’m thinking that the general trend of white majority countries outside the USA not having the 2A will be useful when the time comes.

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    Why do you say that?
    , @J.Ross
    Reminder of the Jefferson Variant Styx Plan for Cali:
    Let California have full independence.
    A man, a plan: northern California wants bonus independence. Emperor Brown explains that independence is not for everyone.
    Californians are oppressing the Jeffersonians!
    Looks like somebody needs some aerially-delivered freedom.
    Invade, recognizing the new state of Jefferson, and WITHOUT restoring SoCal's statehood. SoCal becomes a territory like Puerto Rico. Maybe we give pieces to Mexico, maybe let them become a state later. All them lefties, not sure what happened to them in all the chaos.
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  73. @Patrick in SC
    Are we sure he isn't biracial?

    From the New York Post:

    https://nypost.com/2018/02/23/bullied-nfl-lineman-posts-shotgun-photo-forces-high-school-to-close/

    Martin has largely been out of the public spotlight since retiring in 2015 after a brief stint with the Panthers. In 2016, the bi-racial athlete revealed that he had tried committing suicide multiple times throughout his life and was not comfortable growing up in the ritzy Los Angeles area he and his parents to moved to when he was 10 years old.

    “You learn to tone down your size & blackness by becoming shy, introverted, friendly, so you won’t scare the little rich white kids or their parents,” he wrote in a 2016 social media post.

    Neither black nor white people accept you because they don’t understand you. It takes away your self-confidence, your self-worth, your sanity.”

     

    Mulatto, n. A child of two races, ashamed of both.

    Ambrose Bierce, The Devil’s Dictionary.

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  74. @Anonymous

    Today we see cowardly emasculated pansy cops, four of them at last count, hiding outside a school while a mental defective with a gun given him by his single mommy murdered seventeen other kids. These are not men. A man does not hide while children are being slaughtered.
     
    I can't wrap my mind around the idea of their being multiple cops like that, in a single situation, so I looked it up and came up with just the one we already knew about. So is this true or not??

    IIRC there were SWAT teams from three different Police Depts. at Columbine cowering in their armored vehicles for hours while the slaughter went on inside the school . Cowards to a man . They’re at their best kicking in doors of unarmed people in the middle of the night , preferably at the wrong address .

    A heartwarming story out of Texas :

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/18/texas-man-cleared-of-murder-after-shooting-swat-team-member-during-no-knock-warrant/

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  75. @Anonymous
    Speaking of bullying, any thoughts on Brendan Fraser, Steve?

    https://www.gq.com/story/what-ever-happened-to-brendan-fraser

    The story he wants to relay took place, he says, in the summer of 2003, in the Beverly Hills Hotel, at a luncheon held by the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, the organization that hosts the Golden Globes. On Fraser's way out of the hotel, he was hailed by Philip Berk, a former president of the HFPA. In the midst of a crowded room, Berk reached out to shake Fraser's hand. Much of what happened next Berk recounted in his memoir and was also reported by Sharon Waxman in The New York Times: He pinched Fraser's ass—in jest, according to Berk. But Fraser says what Berk did was more than a pinch: “His left hand reaches around, grabs my ass cheek, and one of his fingers touches me in the taint. And he starts moving it around.” Fraser says that in this moment he was overcome with panic and fear.
     

    Any normal man would rather take a beating than tell a tale like that in public. What a wuss! But, after all, he is an actor, and as Dorothy Parker said, “Scratch an actor, find an actress.”

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    Any normal man would have responded with a quick punch.
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  76. @Anon
    OT: Justin Trudeau proves that he's his mother's son. I understand her problem is that she's bipolar. I'm beginning to think Justin is also mentally ill, it's just that he hasn't acted crazy enough to convince other people yet.

    http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2018/02/23/justin-trudeaus-wardrobe-mocked-during-india-visit-too-indian-even-for-indian.html

    There's an iron rule about visiting other countries as a head of state. You can wear a native costume exactly one time during the visit and no more. I'm surprised his wife didn't put a stop to it before he made such a idiot out of himself.

    ” I’m beginning to think Justin is also mentally ill, it’s just that he hasn’t acted crazy enough to convince other people yet.”

    “beginning to think” LOL .

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  77. @Anonymous

    Today we see cowardly emasculated pansy cops, four of them at last count, hiding outside a school while a mental defective with a gun given him by his single mommy murdered seventeen other kids. These are not men. A man does not hide while children are being slaughtered.
     
    I can't wrap my mind around the idea of their being multiple cops like that, in a single situation, so I looked it up and came up with just the one we already knew about. So is this true or not??

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/23/four-deputies-waited-outside-stoneman-douglas/

    But it gets better – the cowardly cop lived at the school rent free.

    https://reason.com/blog/2018/02/23/school-resource-officer-scot-peterson-pa

    The cops are useless. This is the take away for the people. Put your kid in a public school and they are fair game. Look at Cruz’s record(what we know of it) this mental defective was trouble in junior high and just got worse as time went on. He did everything from assault students, fight with teachers, destroy school property and even sell knives on campus with impunity. Sure he’d get transferred to some “special needs school” for a while but then would be mainstreamed.

    In the 70′s hyper violent punks like him would never have been alllowed in normal schools but would have ended up in “continuation schools” because of the threat they posed to students.

    But it gets better – the sheriff is a corrupt power seeking SOB.

    https://reason.com/blog/2018/02/23/broward-county-sheriff-scott-israel-accu

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  78. @eah
    Cultural Contagion

    White Obama and his self-hating fam -- Never go full white Obama.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWxW4DcUQAAdFRQ.jpg

    Don’t think Obama did anything like this idiot is doing.

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    The author of that tweet was probably thinking of an occasion like this:

    https://jobloggz.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/obama-bow.png
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  79. @International Jew
    I don't understand this at all. How does a huge guy like that get bullied in high school? (Is it fair to assume that if as an adult he reached 6'5" 315lb, then he was pretty big in high school too?)

    Bruce Smith, who played for 19 years in the NFL and is the all-time leader in sacks, once said in an interview that growing up in Virginia he’d been bullied by some of the kids. I found this surprising, but thought that like a lot of guys who grow up to be huge, he may have been overweight and awkward as an adolescent. Anyway, after having mentioned his experience, he went on to say that whenever he visited the old neighborhood, “I still remember those guys who gave me a hard time,” or words to that effect.

    The way he said that led me to believe that those guys probably made themselves pretty scarce whenever Brucie was home for a visit.

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    From Latino and African American Athletes Today: A Biographical Dictionary

    Although he struggled with weight issues throughout his adolescence, Bruce Smith overcame his poor eating habits and emerged among the outstanding National Football League defensive linemen during the 1990s. ...

    His mother, who played high school basketball, labored at various minimum-wage jobs. Smith especially enjoyed her Southern-style cooking, so that by his sophomore year at Booker T. Washington High School in Norfolk he weighed over 270 pounds. He was teased and bullied by his classmates for being overweight.

    With the encouragement of his parents, however, Smith turned to high school sports as a way to enhance his self-esteem. At Washington High School, he developed into an outstanding athlete. He achieved All-America honors as a football lineman and led his school to a State Basketball Championship. College recruiters, however, remained wary of Smith's weight and questioned his quickness. He enrolled at Virginia Tech University and enjoyed an outstanding collegiate athletic career there. During his four-year tenure at Virginia Tech, he made 180 tackles and achieved consensus All-America status. In 1984 he was awarded the Outland Trophy as the best interior lineman in college football.

    The Buffalo Bills made Smith the first overall pick in the 1985 NFL draft. Buffalo was disappointed, however, when its recruit reported to training camp weighing over 300 pounds.
     

    From a 1991 Sports Illustrated article:

    "His quickness reminds me of Lee Roy Selmon and Fred Dean, but they were 15 to 30 pounds lighter. You can tell he'd be a great basketball player." Indeed, Smith was just that, leading Booker T. Washington High to the 1980 Virginia state Group AAA championship game as a high-scoring, if overweight, center.

    But Smith doesn't eat junk anymore. Fat is his mortal enemy. The last time he had a steak was four months ago. Before that it was a year. "I haven't had a Big Mac in three or four years," he says proudly. "Whopper, about the same." It's all pasta, fish and hold the mayo. On a recent airline flight he just looked at his complimentary pack of almonds. He hadn't eaten for hours, and he loves almonds. Finally, he opened the pack, smelled the aroma, ate one tiny nut and threw the rest away. "It's all about discipline," he says.

    https://www.si.com/vault/1991/09/02/124836/lean-mean-sack-machine-a-dedicated-bruce-smith-establishes-a-blistering-pace-for-the-buffalo-bills-in-their-drive-to-another-super-bowl
     

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  80. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Before the Colorado school shooting, there was Laurie Dann.

    It was like reverse Catcher-In-the-Rye. In Salinger’s story, the ‘hero’ wants to save innocent children from the corrupt adult world. And such ‘logic’ motivated Chapman to kill Lennon, the ‘fraud’ who sang of peace and justice but was just a rich celebrity.

    But Laurie Dann killed innocent kids. She had problem with innocence itself.

    And what happened to the celebrity killings? Granted, George Harrison barely survived a knife attack. Lennon got shot. Andy Warhol got shot, and a movie was made about it. There were lots of attempts on politicians. TAXI DRIVER reflected the culture-at-large and, in turn, may have inspired Hinckley.

    But the crazies seem to have lost interest in famous people. They just wanna shoot up schools or something. And the eruptions are from children themselves. It’s kids killing kids.

    There were surely many troubled kids in the past too, but it could be they didn’t shoot up their schools because they still had something like family, community life, shared culture, and Christian values. And even if they came from troubled families or broken families, the culture and society around them was still normal enough, and that normality may have kept them from acting crazy early. Take Lee Harvey Oswald. He was troubled all his life, from youth. And yet, his craziness emerged only later in life. But maybe if he’d grown up today, there would have been a good chance that he wouldn’t have waited to do crazy stuff later. He might have shot up his school since culture and society are degraded at every level.

    If a society is sane, normal, and stable, then even troubled kids will be pressured to heed to social norms. So, their craziness will be contained. It may emerge later, as with Oswald, or by the time they’re older, they could mature enough to control their dark side.

    But now, we got troubled kids growing up in a crazy society where the pop culture(as the only living culture) says EXTREME is the only way to be alive. The ugly music, the ultra-violent movies. Gore and blood are now not even shocking.

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    Our degenerate society , lack of social bonds, destruction of family plus psychotropic drugs is not a good combination..
    , @Joe Schmoe
    in the old days, psycho kids were kicked out to reform school, which is basically prison, or committed to mental institutions.
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  81. @KunioKun
    A sensitive nerdy introverted black guy that isnt Ta-Nehisi Coates??

    It’s interesting–my mother has very different stereotypes of blacks and gays than I do. I think of gays as being especially friendly towards women and of blacks as being rather masculine and ~gay. On the other hand, my mother thinks gays mostly hate women and that there are lots more effeminate blacks than whites or Asians. (BTW, she’s a professional counselor, so her impressions are not as simplistic as “gays aren’t attracted to women, so they don’t like women.”) Just an interesting difference–generational?

    Also, I’m interested in your handle. What does it refer to?

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    I would say that effeminate gay men act very much like women. They understand and relate to women but also tend to be catty etc. in their relationships.

    Believe it or not, most blacks are pretty conservative in terms of law and order and homosexuality. You won't find much support for "Gay Marriage" in the black community. OTOH, they are pretty accepting of their own when they engage in criminal activity or are on the "down low". Not that other groups aren't...blacks just seem more so.

    In a way you're both right.
    , @songbird
    If you read "The Picture of Dorian Grey" you get the sense that Oscar Wilde was both gay and hated women. It may be something that has changed as the social mores have changed. Lesbians obviously still hate men.
    , @S. Anonyia
    Your mother is right. Effeminate gays love being around women because they have similar interests, but they also hate them. Gays are extremely rude and misogynistic around women who allow it (which is most because women are socialized into being too nice). Gays who hang around women a lot often establish themselves as either the Queen Bee or the Queen Bee's enforcer in their cliques.
    , @ScarletNumber
    Generally speaking, I think the stereotypes by the older generation are more accurate than the ones of by the younger. Also, gays hating women doesn't surprise me, because women hate other women. Women are more misogynistic than any man ever could dream of being.
    , @MaMu1977
    Your mother is right. IME, virtually all "gay from birth" men hate women and femininity with the white hot passion of a sun. In fact, as a native New Yorker who spent plenty of hours among the late-90's trendmakers, it was noticeable (for clarification: only poor gays had "girlfriends" and any non-poor gay with "girlfriends" had a life story that inevitably culminated in, "I didn't know that I was gay until I met my first boyfriend in high school. Yes, he was 10+ years older than me, but love is love.")

    Likewise, given the 70+% single motherhood rate in the AA community (and the ever decreasing male involvement rates in the life of the average AA child), even the most outwardly masculine black American man has the air of emotional fragility that has always characterised femininity across all racial/cultural barriers. AA men tend towards two extremes in the modern era: dandies and thugs. We're either fashion plates (in the pursuit of "classy broads"/mommy's approval) or "real n*ggas" (in the pursuit of mommy's love and respect/quick sex from hybristophiles).

    The type of stoic, stolid, concrete masculinity that is the product of a father/older brothed/avuncular upbringing is essentially dead.

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  82. @eah
    Cultural Contagion

    White Obama and his self-hating fam -- Never go full white Obama.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWxW4DcUQAAdFRQ.jpg

    We must be fair. If you want to visit the Golden Temple you have to cover your hair and go barefoot. Them’s the rules!

    (no need for the praying gestures and the full shalwar khameez, though. They give men the orange covering on the way into the temple)

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  83. @Danindc
    I used to think the under piles were vicious but now I’m not so sure. I never see any claims of broken fingers, Eye gouges, etc. Nor do I witness it with multiple HD cameras. I think it is somewhat an NFL urban myth

    They used to be. Read Conrad Dobler’s book “They Call Me Dirty”.

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    Yeah I believe it happened occasionally back then
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  84. @eah
    Cultural Contagion

    White Obama and his self-hating fam -- Never go full white Obama.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWxW4DcUQAAdFRQ.jpg

    children do like to play dress up don’t they……India not amused,even though it is funny as hell.

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  85. @Stan d Mute

    There are many reasons not to bully people, but the reason that even the most sociopathic people should care about is that if a person you’ve bullied decides to end their life, what on earth is stopping them from taking you with them?
     
    I was raised (in the 1970’s) to know there is ONE reason not to bully: A man doesn’t pick fights with people weaker than himself, a man defends women, children, and old folks. My dad would have beat me senseless if I’d ever bullied a weakling or puny kid and done even worse to me if I’d ever raised a hand to a woman (no matter how much they ask for it). My kid has been raised the same way - he knows beyond any doubt the most scary thing in the world is his dad just as I knew the same.

    Today we see cowardly emasculated pansy cops, four of them at last count, hiding outside a school while a mental defective with a gun given him by his single mommy murdered seventeen other kids. These are not men. A man does not hide while children are being slaughtered.

    And perhaps there is a much larger lesson here. Would our great grandfathers have sat watching while their nation was being invaded by foreign criminals? I’m as guilty of this as the rest of us. What has happened? Have we been chemically castrated?

    White-knighting like you and your dad are prone to is a primary cause of the mess we’re in. The direct result of the white-knighting you endorse and enforce is women dominating men, since they know there will be no consequences to bad behavior. Women dominating men politically has led to womanly political policies like open borders. Men evolved to protect the tribe from outsiders; women evolved to tend to the tribe and not have to worry about outsiders, since that’s what the men are for. If the men fail at their role and allow the tribe to be overrun by outsiders, women will naturally abandon their own men and submit to the invaders.

    Obviously I do not condone abuse of any sort towards anyone, but the sex of a person should not enter into whether it’s acceptable to use physical force against them. If there’s a situation where it would be acceptable to “raise a hand” to a man, it would be equally acceptable if it were to a woman. Granted, everything else being equal, the median man could win a fight with 90% of women but that’s where proportional force comes into play. You use precisely the exact amount of force needed to achieve your objective – no more force than necessary. This is imperative no matter whom you’re dealing with.

    When we say “a gentleman never strikes a lady,” inherent in that rule is that the lady act like a lady. Only very unladylike behavior would make the average man even think about striking a woman. Ladies, by definition, are respectful towards other people and thus would generally not attract violence unto themselves.

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  86. @Triumph104

    Martin is a cultured upper middle class half-black kid (one of his parents went to Harvard U.)
     
    Both of Jonathan Martin's parents are black and are Harvard College and Radcliffe graduates. Richie Incognito said that Martin was half-black but that is not true. If Martin had gone to Harvard instead of Stanford, he would have been the fourth generation of black men in his family to have attended Harvard. His mother also graduated from Harvard Law, while his father graduated from Duquesne Law School and received his PhD from the University of Pittsburgh in the same department that his father-in-law was a professor.

    Of the alleged bullies mentioned in Jonathan Martin's recent tweet, Richie Incognito is white, NFL player Mike Pouncey is half white/ half black. Former Harvard Westlake classmates: TJ Taylor is black, and James Dunleavy is white. Dunleavy is the son of former NBA player and NBA coach Mike Dunleavy Sr. and the brother of NBA player Mike Dunleavy Jr..

    http://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/14/style/jane-howard-and-clarence-martin-jr-law-students-wed.html

    I wonder if assuming a small minority of blacks were able to transcend the average black paths on merit or was there an unofficial affirmative action going on back then.Its not an easy question since obviously just going to a unofficially whites only school would take some affirmative action regardless the merit, but also because merit was less scientifically measured or used for admissions back then.
    Yes your point that those of us with a smattering of historical perspective, or of a certain age that we can actually remember the way we were, have always been aware women and other minorities have always participated in ways we are taught never happened before leftist intervention is apt. It just made me rethink an assumption.

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    Perhaps you should learn something about the history American college admissions before making such ridiculous accusations. I bet you don't think Jews received affirmative action in 1918 to gain admission into Protestant colleges like Harvard and Princeton. Standardized exams were used in the early 20th century which is what led to the "problem" of too many Jews and resulted in restrictive quotas.

    Prior to the post-Civil Rights Act era, elite colleges placed the same restrictive quotas on blacks that were placed on Jews. In 1929 Barnard College had a quota of only two black women.

    Dorothy Height was a civil rights activist and a mentor to Barack Obama.


    Eighty-one years ago, Dorothy Height was denied admission to Barnard College because of a racial quota, a reprehensible part of our history and a blemish on the past that we cannot undo. Barnard long ago stopped this admission practice and deeply regrets that it ever existed.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/28/opinion/lweb28height.html

     


    But she arrived after Barnard had already admitted the two blacks it accepted per year at the time. Instead, Height earned her bachelor's and master’s degrees at New York University in four years and did postgraduate studies in social work.

    https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126128076
     

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  87. “And what happened to the celebrity killings? Granted, George Harrison barely survived a knife attack. Lennon got shot. Andy Warhol got shot, and a movie was made about it. There were lots of attempts on politicians. TAXI DRIVER reflected the culture-at-large and, in turn, may have inspired Hinckley.
    But the crazies seem to have lost interest in famous people. They just wanna shoot up schools or something. And the eruptions are from children themselves. It’s kids killing kids.”

    It’s all connected. After Lennon’s murder major celebrities became much more zealous about maintaining their privacy and were far less likely to wander about in public. These cautions have persisted to this day. Schools are much easier targets, unfortunately.

    ” Take Lee Harvey Oswald. He was troubled all his life, from youth. And yet, his craziness emerged only later in life. But maybe if he’d grown up today, there would have been a good chance that he wouldn’t have waited to do crazy stuff later. He might have shot up his school since culture and society are degraded at every level.”

    But which school …. Oswald attended twelve different schools even though he never got past the tenth grade!
    At age 12 he tried to stab his older brother’s new wife, but as always his mother Marguerite smoothed things over for her precious little dumpling and kept him out of trouble.

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  88. @Triumph104
    Both parents are black. In the video, Richie Incognito said Martin was half-black which is not true.

    Father Photo 1 Photo 2

    Mother Photo 1 Photo 2

    Maternal grandmother Photo 1 Photo 2


    https://youtu.be/VbcPdweaBFE

    About Jonathan Martin. He is one quarter black. Half black father times a half black mother means you come out one quarter black. Especially when both parents at 5%ers. The elite of the talented tenth.

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    Half black father times a half black mother means you come out one quarter black.
     
    Um, no. A child inherits half from one parent and half from the other. If each parent is half, the child is also half. However, all that matters are the genes he actually inherited, which could be pretty much 50-50, or disproportionately black or the white.
    , @JMcG
    Wouldn’t this also mean that half white times half white means you come out a quarter white? I’m pretty sure that all white plus all black means you end up half of each. As near as makes no odds anyway.
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  89. @songbird
    Cruz is a guy that some would call white. He certainly isn't though, not in the sense of being a pure-blooded Euro. It is easy to see it in his bone structure.

    What I think is always curious about these shootings is so often the guy is someone whose parents are divorced or who grew up without a father. Liberals tend to pure environmentalists. You think they would pick up on this, and start campaigning for whole families. Or for some other way to try to replicate the old society where guns were more humdrum but in which school shootings were unheard of.

    But no, it's always against guns. Sometimes, it's for "common-sense" gun laws, but that is just an obvious ploy because so many talk nakedly about getting rid of guns when the audience is different.

    “Liberals tend to pure environmentalists. You think they would pick up on this, and start campaigning for whole families. Or for some other way to try to replicate the old society where guns were more humdrum but in which school shootings were unheard of.”

    Liberals are too wedded to the Sexual Revolution to do that. Awhile back our favorite Russian-American Julia Ioffe took heat on twitter for pointing out that alot of lone wolf shooters/terrorists came from fatherless homes.

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  90. @Anonym
    I am a big fan of the 2A. But on another note I'm thinking that the general trend of white majority countries outside the USA not having the 2A will be useful when the time comes.

    Why do you say that?

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    If you are going to repatriate a group of people, do you want them bearing arms or not?

    I think it works well in the USA where the majority are white, with a hostile power structure and growing non-white minority, to have the 2A. That is because there is also the 1A. The USA works well as a font of pro-white thought that is spreading throughout the world. Certain people want to "shut it down", but it's a helluva lot easier said than done, thankfully. The 2A plays a part in that. And non-whites are already armed, so if they are armed it's a good situation that white people are very well armed, Republicans have the highest gun ownership rates.

    Outside the USA though, you generally have less free speech and no right to bear arms. However, once the zeitgeist changes (and it is definitely changing), the already disarmed population will be an advantageous situation. All you need then is a friendly government and you're golden.

    Interestingly I was reading about Meir Kahane the other day, for a thread, and read about his proposed solution for Israel and non-Jews. It's actually quite soft, as its Apartheid state allows for eventual demographic overwhelming like South Africa or the American South. On the other hand, he also said that if he was Prime Minister, there would be no Arabs in Israel so work that one out. So maybe there was a staged process in his mind. (I don't really know that much about Kahane to be honest.)

    Kahane proposed that the State of Israel should enforce Jewish law, as codified by Maimonides,[3] under which non-Jews who wish to dwell in Israel would have three options: remain as "resident strangers" with all rights but national ones,[4] which would require non-Jews to accept resident-stranger status with all rights but political ones. Those who are unwilling to accept such a status will be required to leave the country with full compensation and, those who refuse to do even that, will be forcefully removed.

     

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  91. @nebulafox
    Interestingly enough, the Haitians-both black and colored-didn't have much of an issue with the Overseas German community which held a stranglehold on political and economic power in the late 1800s and early 1900s, until we occupied the country and expelled them. This was for a host of reasons: a big one was that the Germans were more willing than other Europeans to consort and intermarry with the prominent mulatto families, allowing them to bypass the rules against whites owning land. They also proved more than willing to fund Haitian politicians and revolutionaries who were detrimental to the interests of American businessmen, which, Wilsonian rhetoric aside, was a major factor in our invasion of the country.

    (And possibly because they, unlike all the other European colonizers, played no historical role in the African slave trade. As @Doug mentioned, with the obvious exception of the period of complete genocidal insanity from 1929-1945 and things like the treatment of the Herero, Germans, despite their innate conservatism, generally look pretty darned progressive on the human issues compared to most other Europeans. German-Americans were the only ethnicity to seriously care about the fate of Indians in the US, for example. Compare that to the flat out genocidal approach of the English/Scots-Irish and the Spaniards.)

    with the obvious exception of the period of complete genocidal insanity from 1929-1945 and things like the treatment of the Herero, Germans, despite their innate conservatism, generally look pretty darned progressive on the human issues compared to most other Europeans.

    “Other than THAT, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?”

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  92. @Chrisnonymous
    It's interesting--my mother has very different stereotypes of blacks and gays than I do. I think of gays as being especially friendly towards women and of blacks as being rather masculine and ~gay. On the other hand, my mother thinks gays mostly hate women and that there are lots more effeminate blacks than whites or Asians. (BTW, she's a professional counselor, so her impressions are not as simplistic as "gays aren't attracted to women, so they don't like women.") Just an interesting difference--generational?

    Also, I'm interested in your handle. What does it refer to?

    I would say that effeminate gay men act very much like women. They understand and relate to women but also tend to be catty etc. in their relationships.

    Believe it or not, most blacks are pretty conservative in terms of law and order and homosexuality. You won’t find much support for “Gay Marriage” in the black community. OTOH, they are pretty accepting of their own when they engage in criminal activity or are on the “down low”. Not that other groups aren’t…blacks just seem more so.

    In a way you’re both right.

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  93. @Anon
    OT: Justin Trudeau proves that he's his mother's son. I understand her problem is that she's bipolar. I'm beginning to think Justin is also mentally ill, it's just that he hasn't acted crazy enough to convince other people yet.

    http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2018/02/23/justin-trudeaus-wardrobe-mocked-during-india-visit-too-indian-even-for-indian.html

    There's an iron rule about visiting other countries as a head of state. You can wear a native costume exactly one time during the visit and no more. I'm surprised his wife didn't put a stop to it before he made such a idiot out of himself.

    His wife is as inept at official ettiquette as he is.

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    Jesus ! Those two must be creating a cringe vortex in the fabric of space-time . Something that's detectable from thousands of light years away , like gravitational waves . That's one possible answer to the Fermi Paradox .
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  94. @Harry Baldwin
    Any normal man would rather take a beating than tell a tale like that in public. What a wuss! But, after all, he is an actor, and as Dorothy Parker said, "Scratch an actor, find an actress."

    Any normal man would have responded with a quick punch.

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  95. @Anonymous
    Speaking of bullying, any thoughts on Brendan Fraser, Steve?

    https://www.gq.com/story/what-ever-happened-to-brendan-fraser

    The story he wants to relay took place, he says, in the summer of 2003, in the Beverly Hills Hotel, at a luncheon held by the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, the organization that hosts the Golden Globes. On Fraser's way out of the hotel, he was hailed by Philip Berk, a former president of the HFPA. In the midst of a crowded room, Berk reached out to shake Fraser's hand. Much of what happened next Berk recounted in his memoir and was also reported by Sharon Waxman in The New York Times: He pinched Fraser's ass—in jest, according to Berk. But Fraser says what Berk did was more than a pinch: “His left hand reaches around, grabs my ass cheek, and one of his fingers touches me in the taint. And he starts moving it around.” Fraser says that in this moment he was overcome with panic and fear.
     

    Most Hollywood stars right through the ’80s would have broken the guy’s nose.

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  96. @Chrisnonymous
    It's interesting--my mother has very different stereotypes of blacks and gays than I do. I think of gays as being especially friendly towards women and of blacks as being rather masculine and ~gay. On the other hand, my mother thinks gays mostly hate women and that there are lots more effeminate blacks than whites or Asians. (BTW, she's a professional counselor, so her impressions are not as simplistic as "gays aren't attracted to women, so they don't like women.") Just an interesting difference--generational?

    Also, I'm interested in your handle. What does it refer to?

    If you read “The Picture of Dorian Grey” you get the sense that Oscar Wilde was both gay and hated women. It may be something that has changed as the social mores have changed. Lesbians obviously still hate men.

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  97. @International Jew
    I don't understand this at all. How does a huge guy like that get bullied in high school? (Is it fair to assume that if as an adult he reached 6'5" 315lb, then he was pretty big in high school too?)

    I’m a teacher and I see huge kids get bullied all the time. Who gets bullied is more about personality and softness than it is physical characteristics. Basically who is timid and who will take it. A giant kid has more of a chance of stopping the bullying if they fight back, but until they stand up for themselves it will continue.

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    School bullying dynamics change with age, and the times. Visualize a kid growing several inches between spring and fall, and adding a lot of muscle. That wasn't uncommon back in the day. The skinny 5' 7" guy who comes back at 6' and 25 pounds stronger, both on the way north. That tended to get noticed by others who might then develop a more deferential approach.

    The modern era has e-bullying with attendant policies, new legal intervention and a more dynamic landscape to attempt to navigate. No wonder Prozac and such lead to some more non-linear escalations.
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  98. @AndrewR
    I didn't follow this drama at all at the time, but no matter the details of what really happened to Martin, too many people downplay bullying. There are many reasons not to bully people, but the reason that even the most sociopathic people should care about is that if a person you've bullied decides to end their life, what on earth is stopping them from taking you with them? In most cases, the answer is: absolutely nothing. There's nothing to gain from making someone feel like they have nothing more to lose.

    There’s a difference between a schoolyard bully who torments the weak for sadistic reasons and how hard men engaged in a collective pursuit relate to one another. I don’t know if the “bullying” spin was the correct term for what happened among those players, because at the time it seemed to be the preferred narrative and pretext for the Obama administration to further poz schools.

    Martin was just soft, perhaps too refined for the rigors of the NFL in spite of his size.

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    Sir Richard Incognito seemed slightly out of sorts in that YouTube bit. Something happened to irritate him; it might just have been the quantity of booze imbibed by the Buffalo Bills football player.

    But it does bring to mind the outcome of any prospective brawl between Sir John Stuart Jumbo Elliott and Sir Incognito. Perhaps Sir Incognito and Sir Elliott would combine and determine to drink a keg of beer together instead of brawling.

    The departed Sir Lyle of Alzado might have gotten along fine with Sir Incognito and Sir Elliott, even though Sir Lyle played on the defensive side of the field.

    What would Sir Randolph Nettleby think?
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  99. @Chrisnonymous
    It's interesting--my mother has very different stereotypes of blacks and gays than I do. I think of gays as being especially friendly towards women and of blacks as being rather masculine and ~gay. On the other hand, my mother thinks gays mostly hate women and that there are lots more effeminate blacks than whites or Asians. (BTW, she's a professional counselor, so her impressions are not as simplistic as "gays aren't attracted to women, so they don't like women.") Just an interesting difference--generational?

    Also, I'm interested in your handle. What does it refer to?

    Your mother is right. Effeminate gays love being around women because they have similar interests, but they also hate them. Gays are extremely rude and misogynistic around women who allow it (which is most because women are socialized into being too nice). Gays who hang around women a lot often establish themselves as either the Queen Bee or the Queen Bee’s enforcer in their cliques.

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    My wife has a ton of gay male friends (she was in musical theater for many years). I’ve never seen or heard about even a smidgen of misogyny from any of them. I’ve seen a bit of hostility going the other way, e.g. she’ll call Johnny Weir a “little fag.”
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  100. KunioKun is a video game character that appeared in lots of games in the 1980s. My favorite was River City Rampage.

    I knew two nerdy blacks growing up. They were the children of a pastor. Neither were particularly smart, but they were exceptionally well behaved and shy. From what I saw everybody in the school was very friendly with them, even the other blacks. The older one liked video games and the younger one, a female, got into punk rock music and skateboarding.

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    There was also a very well-behaved and polite though not very smart black in my high school growing up. Actually, I liked him quite a bit. I grew up in New York State, which had 2 educational tracks for high school--Regents diploma and non-Regents diploma. This black kid went into the non-Regents diploma, so I didn't see him much after junior high school. I usually forget about when I'm commenting on iSteve.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    I see from a search that Dodgeball was one of the games featuring KunioKun.
    That's one of the few video games I've liked in my lifetime...

    Space Invaders https://youtu.be/km8bc_oBRgk?t=6m32s
    Super Dodgeball https://youtu.be/nMt5qVgfjsM?t=4m9s
    Marathon https://youtu.be/Up_v3DYKl0M?t=9s
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  101. @Steve Sailer
    Actresses like musicians.

    1. Actresses are cray. (There are one or two exceptions, but those were women who stumbled into acting because mommy pushed them, or weird circumstance, like Sophia Loren.)

    2. Which musicians? Rock musicians.

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    Sophia’s Mom was a failed actress who pushed Sophia into acting including some topless scenes as soon as Sophia was 14. Kudos if they succeed or just manage to make a living.
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  102. @eah
    Cultural Contagion

    White Obama and his self-hating fam -- Never go full white Obama.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWxW4DcUQAAdFRQ.jpg
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  103. @The Anti-Gnostic
    His wife is as inept at official ettiquette as he is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbMXYgYxRaY

    Jesus ! Those two must be creating a cringe vortex in the fabric of space-time . Something that’s detectable from thousands of light years away , like gravitational waves . That’s one possible answer to the Fermi Paradox .

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  104. @Jim Don Bob
    ESPN made this into white guy (Incognito) being racist towards black guy (Martin), when it was actually Incognito trying to toughen up Martin with the approval of his (mostly black) fellow teammates. Martin was too much of a wuss to play in the NFL.

    Not a good strategy. There might be some third party effects. His status as an honorary black guy and quite likely his future with the team were eventually going to be in jeopardy anyway, anyhow.

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    And you may ask yourself, what does this mean? Ask yourself who has a bigger contract, Martin or Incognito? Ask yourself, who knows more about how the NFL works, Martin or Incognito? Who has had a 13 year NFL career, Martin or Incognito? I was here when it went down, and Incognito was offered up by Ross and Philbin to the SJW circling sharks. This is the NFL, baby, do you want to win or do you want virtue? I was disabused of this nonsense as a life-long Nittany Lion. Martin would be whining about fairness even if he was a University Professor. F him.
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  105. @Triumph104

    Martin is a cultured upper middle class half-black kid (one of his parents went to Harvard U.)
     
    Both of Jonathan Martin's parents are black and are Harvard College and Radcliffe graduates. Richie Incognito said that Martin was half-black but that is not true. If Martin had gone to Harvard instead of Stanford, he would have been the fourth generation of black men in his family to have attended Harvard. His mother also graduated from Harvard Law, while his father graduated from Duquesne Law School and received his PhD from the University of Pittsburgh in the same department that his father-in-law was a professor.

    Of the alleged bullies mentioned in Jonathan Martin's recent tweet, Richie Incognito is white, NFL player Mike Pouncey is half white/ half black. Former Harvard Westlake classmates: TJ Taylor is black, and James Dunleavy is white. Dunleavy is the son of former NBA player and NBA coach Mike Dunleavy Sr. and the brother of NBA player Mike Dunleavy Jr..

    http://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/14/style/jane-howard-and-clarence-martin-jr-law-students-wed.html

    Harvard , the Ivys, produce armchair, studio men – tough behind a desk or in a studio wearing makeup.

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  106. @Alfa158
    It’s a sad thing when someone who is 6’5”and 315 pounds can be bullied by anything this side of a grizzly bear. I’m a manling and I never let anyone bully me. The last time was in grade school. A Scut Farkas type and his little toady waylaid me on the way home from school. As they confronted me I noticed that the toady was, incredibly, even wimpier than me. So in an instinctive move, I knocked down the little guy, got on top of him and started pounding him until “Scut” pulled me off his minion and started pounding me. It was worth it; they never gave me another look after that.

    Yep. Several generations of my family have learned the “get a few good licks in” routine. You don’t have to win: just make it too much trouble to be worth it. They’ll go find somebody easier.

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  107. …his parents could afford Rice’s quite reasonable tuition and that football practice would take too much time away from his architectural studies.

    How are his buildings holding up?

    Do they have higher ceilings and wider doors? Minoru Yamasaki was afraid of heights, and accordingly made the windows in the World Trade Center towers rather narrow.

    On the other hand, Rosey Grier used his big mitts do needlepoint in his free time.

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  108. @Hapalong Cassidy
    Sometimes it just takes awhile to learn that you don’t have to take it. Some people never figure it out. I’m a big guy now and was a big kid then, and I was bullied up until the end of 9th grade. The worst offender was fond of calling me a fag more or less nonstop. One day I finally decided I had enough and decked him with one punch, after which he never spoke a word to me in the remaining three years of high school. Incidentally, years later when looking up old classmates on Facebook I decided to look up my old tormenter. Turns out he had come out of the closet.

    It’s worse now, because the liberal teachers will punish the kid who fights back. That’s what Zero Tolerance REALLY means.

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    Rosamond, teachers are the worst. They will walk in a minute over a pay discrepancy of pennies or a perceived threat to their contracted benefits, but ignore total mayhem in the classroom.
    , @donut
    Once when I was in the 2nd grade I think it was , I brought in a model airplane for show and tell , the Dodgers where still in Brooklyn then . This asshole in my class stole my little pilot from the model . I noticed it after recess and told the teacher , we were all sitting in our desks . The slag called me a tattle tale and mocked me for not handling it myself . So I got up walked over to the future felon and began to pound the shit out of him . She just about shit herself . What did she expect . I got my little plastic man back and surprisingly she didn't send me to the principal's office .
    , @Joe Schmoe

    It’s worse now, because the liberal teachers will punish the kid who fights back. That’s what Zero Tolerance REALLY means.

     

    Come, now.

    There is very little they can even do to them. They must investigate the claim that they other hit first or bullied, etc. I told my kids never to worry too much about the teacher punishing them for hitting someone back because the punishment would be practically nothing. Besides, schools keep records of how many times kids are reported for discipline issues and the bully will have a record while my kid doesn't. I told my kids to hit back harder, so hard that the bully never wanted to mess with him again.
    , @Brutusale
    The nuns knew how to handle it.

    I was one of those fat kids who took a lot of abuse in school. Being one of the SIX non-Irish in the entire school didn't help; neither did having a saintly mother with standards of deportment that didn't hold with fisticuffs.

    I finally snapped during recess in 7th grade and, right in front of the nun on monitor duty, punched my tormentor right in the mouth. She pointedly said nothing, so I hit him again and he stayed down. The good sister helped him up and told him to report to the principal's office. She then took me aside and said that it was about time I stood up for myself and she didn't expect to see me need to hit anybody again. She was right.

    Fallout: the kid I hit ended up being a good friend in high school. He admitted to acting out because his older brothers picked on him.

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  109. Meanwhile, Bloomberg lets the cat out of the bag about Black Panther:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-22/-black-panther-reveals-black-audiences-box-office-superpower

    The weekend put a finer point on that enthusiasm, with $242 million in domestic box-office sales buoyed by African American audiences, especially in major black cities.

    Up coming headline!

    Racist whites demonstrate their racism by not showing up for groundbreaking black movie showcasing the achievements of black people.

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  110. @nebulafox
    Interestingly enough, the Haitians-both black and colored-didn't have much of an issue with the Overseas German community which held a stranglehold on political and economic power in the late 1800s and early 1900s, until we occupied the country and expelled them. This was for a host of reasons: a big one was that the Germans were more willing than other Europeans to consort and intermarry with the prominent mulatto families, allowing them to bypass the rules against whites owning land. They also proved more than willing to fund Haitian politicians and revolutionaries who were detrimental to the interests of American businessmen, which, Wilsonian rhetoric aside, was a major factor in our invasion of the country.

    (And possibly because they, unlike all the other European colonizers, played no historical role in the African slave trade. As @Doug mentioned, with the obvious exception of the period of complete genocidal insanity from 1929-1945 and things like the treatment of the Herero, Germans, despite their innate conservatism, generally look pretty darned progressive on the human issues compared to most other Europeans. German-Americans were the only ethnicity to seriously care about the fate of Indians in the US, for example. Compare that to the flat out genocidal approach of the English/Scots-Irish and the Spaniards.)

    complete genocidal insanity from 1929-1945

    1941-45.

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  111. @J.Ross
    OT: Heathers Remake

    When the genderqueer Heather Duke spies the black—and supposedly lesbian—Heather McNamara making out with a male teacher, Duke exclaims, “Heather Chandler is going to shit herself skinny when she finds out our black lesbian friend is actually only black!”
     
    http://archive.fo/iJecC
    The New Heathers is a Trumpian, LGBT-bashing Nightmare
    I might see this.

    “I love my dead gay son!”

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  112. @J.Ross
    OT: Heathers Remake

    When the genderqueer Heather Duke spies the black—and supposedly lesbian—Heather McNamara making out with a male teacher, Duke exclaims, “Heather Chandler is going to shit herself skinny when she finds out our black lesbian friend is actually only black!”
     
    http://archive.fo/iJecC
    The New Heathers is a Trumpian, LGBT-bashing Nightmare
    I might see this.

    Younger viewers—and anyone else who inhabits a real, fact-based world—will know that LGBT and gender non-conforming kids still face disproportionate rates of bullying in school and have a greater likelihood of self-harm. It simply is not true that the tables have turned and the marginalized kids are now in charge. Are there some mean genderqueer people and hurtful art geeks out there? Absolutely. But the Heathers of 2018 acts as if it is now universally the case that these groups can access social capital.

    Remember – the people who think that a man wearing a dress is a woman (and not mentally ill) are the ones living in a fact-based world

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  113. @Been
    Oh yes, the old Isteve rule: media orgies over mass shootings are only necessary when an immigrant (or "second-generation immigrant") or African-American commits them. Since the last three big ones don't fit the rule, they're not worthy of coverage on this site.

    When the shooter is some white guy of random ancestry*, then I guess the only message is: learn to love it. Only an ethnocentric person would dream of restricting an American's access to personal use of weapons of war.

    *I don't know Nikolas Cruz's ancestry, but, despite alt-right claims to the contrary, perhaps he was of random American descent. His biological mother was a drug addict and his biological half-brother is half-black.

    Some commenters in other sites claim Nikolas is one of those severely damaged at birth Russian adoptees with fetal alcoholic syndrome.

    Who knows?

    Has there ever been a mass shooting at a private school? I don’t think so.

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    Has there ever been a mass shooting at a private school? I don’t think so.
     
    Private school shootings since 2000, not necessarily mass shootings:

    2001 bishop Neumann High school (Catholic) 1 injury

    2006 West Nickel Mine School (Amish) 6 deaths 5 injuries (the link wrongly says 3 injuries)

    2012 Episcopal School of Jacksonville 2 deaths

    2013 Apostolic Revival Center Christian School 1 death

    2013 Agape Christian Academy 2 injuries

    2015 Wisconsin Lutheran High School 3 injuries (There was another shooting at the same school in 1979. 1 injury)

    Beyond K-12, there have been numerous shootings at private colleges since 2000, including a monastary and Harvard.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

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  114. @nebulafox
    Interestingly enough, the Haitians-both black and colored-didn't have much of an issue with the Overseas German community which held a stranglehold on political and economic power in the late 1800s and early 1900s, until we occupied the country and expelled them. This was for a host of reasons: a big one was that the Germans were more willing than other Europeans to consort and intermarry with the prominent mulatto families, allowing them to bypass the rules against whites owning land. They also proved more than willing to fund Haitian politicians and revolutionaries who were detrimental to the interests of American businessmen, which, Wilsonian rhetoric aside, was a major factor in our invasion of the country.

    (And possibly because they, unlike all the other European colonizers, played no historical role in the African slave trade. As @Doug mentioned, with the obvious exception of the period of complete genocidal insanity from 1929-1945 and things like the treatment of the Herero, Germans, despite their innate conservatism, generally look pretty darned progressive on the human issues compared to most other Europeans. German-Americans were the only ethnicity to seriously care about the fate of Indians in the US, for example. Compare that to the flat out genocidal approach of the English/Scots-Irish and the Spaniards.)

    Interesting. I never knew about the history of Germans in Haiti. I found this in the description box of an otherwise pointless YouTube video. LINK

    of Donald Trump was Johannes Drumpft, born in Germany on March 26, 1789. The Germans have an interesting story in Haiti

    The first known German establishment in Santo Domingo (colonial Haiti) was at Bombardopolis, south of Mole-Saint-Nicolas. About a thousand Germans including Johannes Drumpft came to Bombardopolis in the eighteenth century and managed to make a living from growing coffee. Many of them received Haitian citizenship thanks to Jean-Jacques Dessalines after 1804, and gradually mixed with the rest of the population.

    Johannes Drumpft (Trump) stayed in Haiti for a few years and returned to his native country where he died at the age of 46 in Bavaria on November 22, 1835 leaving behind 3 children Maria Katharina Drumpft; Anna Elizabeth Schwinn and Christian Johannes Trump father of Friedrich Trump who is the grandfather of American President Donald Trump.

    A little known history of Haitian hospitality and virtue: in December 1840, a boat from Bremen with 170 German emigrants on board had been destroyed at Point Isabella and driven on the coast in high winds. No life was lost, but the passengers were brought to Cap-Haïtien deprived of all their property. Their misfortunes aroused the sympathy of the good people of Cap-Haïtien. Having no German consul present in Cap-Haïtien in 1840, they could have died of hunger if it was not for the generous help of all Cape Haitian citizens. They were accommodated and cared for with food, medical assistance and clothing. Some of them stayed in Haiti and never reached their destination.

    German merchants started to settle permanently in Haiti in the 1850s.

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    I forget the year but in the late 19th century Germans gunships blockaded Haiti over some offense suffered by the German counsel there.

    The Germans were often the only whites in Haiti that weren’t diplomats or military officials for years up to the American intervention of 1915.

    American diplomatic relations with Haiti started around the civil war. The ambassador posting was designated the “black” posting so the only ambassadors were black. Frederick Douglass was offered the position and accepted.
    https://www.aaihs.org/frederick-douglass-haiti-and-diplomacy/
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  115. @black sea
    Bruce Smith, who played for 19 years in the NFL and is the all-time leader in sacks, once said in an interview that growing up in Virginia he'd been bullied by some of the kids. I found this surprising, but thought that like a lot of guys who grow up to be huge, he may have been overweight and awkward as an adolescent. Anyway, after having mentioned his experience, he went on to say that whenever he visited the old neighborhood, "I still remember those guys who gave me a hard time," or words to that effect.

    The way he said that led me to believe that those guys probably made themselves pretty scarce whenever Brucie was home for a visit.

    From Latino and African American Athletes Today: A Biographical Dictionary

    Although he struggled with weight issues throughout his adolescence, Bruce Smith overcame his poor eating habits and emerged among the outstanding National Football League defensive linemen during the 1990s. …

    His mother, who played high school basketball, labored at various minimum-wage jobs. Smith especially enjoyed her Southern-style cooking, so that by his sophomore year at Booker T. Washington High School in Norfolk he weighed over 270 pounds. He was teased and bullied by his classmates for being overweight.

    With the encouragement of his parents, however, Smith turned to high school sports as a way to enhance his self-esteem. At Washington High School, he developed into an outstanding athlete. He achieved All-America honors as a football lineman and led his school to a State Basketball Championship. College recruiters, however, remained wary of Smith’s weight and questioned his quickness. He enrolled at Virginia Tech University and enjoyed an outstanding collegiate athletic career there. During his four-year tenure at Virginia Tech, he made 180 tackles and achieved consensus All-America status. In 1984 he was awarded the Outland Trophy as the best interior lineman in college football.

    The Buffalo Bills made Smith the first overall pick in the 1985 NFL draft. Buffalo was disappointed, however, when its recruit reported to training camp weighing over 300 pounds.

    From a 1991 Sports Illustrated article:

    “His quickness reminds me of Lee Roy Selmon and Fred Dean, but they were 15 to 30 pounds lighter. You can tell he’d be a great basketball player.” Indeed, Smith was just that, leading Booker T. Washington High to the 1980 Virginia state Group AAA championship game as a high-scoring, if overweight, center.

    But Smith doesn’t eat junk anymore. Fat is his mortal enemy. The last time he had a steak was four months ago. Before that it was a year. “I haven’t had a Big Mac in three or four years,” he says proudly. “Whopper, about the same.” It’s all pasta, fish and hold the mayo. On a recent airline flight he just looked at his complimentary pack of almonds. He hadn’t eaten for hours, and he loves almonds. Finally, he opened the pack, smelled the aroma, ate one tiny nut and threw the rest away. “It’s all about discipline,” he says.

    https://www.si.com/vault/1991/09/02/124836/lean-mean-sack-machine-a-dedicated-bruce-smith-establishes-a-blistering-pace-for-the-buffalo-bills-in-their-drive-to-another-super-bowl

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  116. @eah
    Cultural Contagion

    White Obama and his self-hating fam -- Never go full white Obama.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWxW4DcUQAAdFRQ.jpg

    I’m sure Andrew R, Robin G L Woods and the other guys who called the Russian artist a slut and attention whore because of her self portrait with neck shoulders and arms showing totally approve of the Trudeau women totally covered from head to toe with only hands and face showing.

    This site is full of guys ranting that women wearing short skirts and sleeveless tops are inviting rape so how can you all disapprove of the Trudeaus shrouding them selves?

    I well remember how many men commented that the girls at the Arianna Grande concert deserved to be killed because they dressed like “ sluts”

    I also remember how many men commented that the German women who were assaulted by Muslim and black immigrants during the German Nee Years deserved it because they dressed like “sluts” .

    Given that it was about 40F that night in the middle of winter the “ slutty” outfits were covered by winter coats, pants, boots and gloves. and little flesh was seen.

    Make up your minds guys. From reading this site I’ve gathered that most of you think that the shalmar kameez with covered head and neck and sleeves covering half the hand should be the national dress for European and American women to avoid being named sluts who deserve rape because of the way we dress.

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    Settle down, sweetheart. The Huffington Post is that-a-way.---------->
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    You are citing Andrew R as representative? Up your meds, and come back when your fevered imaginations subside.
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  117. @Obsessive Contrarian
    1. Actresses are cray. (There are one or two exceptions, but those were women who stumbled into acting because mommy pushed them, or weird circumstance, like Sophia Loren.)

    2. Which musicians? Rock musicians.

    Sophia’s Mom was a failed actress who pushed Sophia into acting including some topless scenes as soon as Sophia was 14. Kudos if they succeed or just manage to make a living.

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    I think Romilda, Sophia's mom, was a "businesswoman." Whether it was a side business, I dunno.
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  118. @Jim Don Bob
    ESPN made this into white guy (Incognito) being racist towards black guy (Martin), when it was actually Incognito trying to toughen up Martin with the approval of his (mostly black) fellow teammates. Martin was too much of a wuss to play in the NFL.

    Jim Don, In today’s Buffalo News, they repeat what Incognito said back in 2016,”Jonathon had his troubles. He had his demons, like we all do. And he left for whatever reason, and handled it the way he did. And then the story kind of takes a life of its own and there’s the narrative that Jonathon and his camp want you to believe and then there’s, like I said, what me, Mike Pouncey, what John Jerry, what Jim Turner, what we know what happened. And I can sleep good at night…not saying I’m a saint but I sleep well at night knowing what I did.” Incognito, playing for the Bills, made the Pro Bowl again this year, Martin was a wasted high draft pick. Incognito has one arm with a tattoo sleeve, no more, actually less than a lot of NFL players, both white and black, have.

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  119. @Triumph104
    Interesting. I never knew about the history of Germans in Haiti. I found this in the description box of an otherwise pointless YouTube video. LINK

    of Donald Trump was Johannes Drumpft, born in Germany on March 26, 1789. The Germans have an interesting story in Haiti

    The first known German establishment in Santo Domingo (colonial Haiti) was at Bombardopolis, south of Mole-Saint-Nicolas. About a thousand Germans including Johannes Drumpft came to Bombardopolis in the eighteenth century and managed to make a living from growing coffee. Many of them received Haitian citizenship thanks to Jean-Jacques Dessalines after 1804, and gradually mixed with the rest of the population.

    Johannes Drumpft (Trump) stayed in Haiti for a few years and returned to his native country where he died at the age of 46 in Bavaria on November 22, 1835 leaving behind 3 children Maria Katharina Drumpft; Anna Elizabeth Schwinn and Christian Johannes Trump father of Friedrich Trump who is the grandfather of American President Donald Trump.

    A little known history of Haitian hospitality and virtue: in December 1840, a boat from Bremen with 170 German emigrants on board had been destroyed at Point Isabella and driven on the coast in high winds. No life was lost, but the passengers were brought to Cap-Haïtien deprived of all their property. Their misfortunes aroused the sympathy of the good people of Cap-Haïtien. Having no German consul present in Cap-Haïtien in 1840, they could have died of hunger if it was not for the generous help of all Cape Haitian citizens. They were accommodated and cared for with food, medical assistance and clothing. Some of them stayed in Haiti and never reached their destination.

    German merchants started to settle permanently in Haiti in the 1850s.
     

    I forget the year but in the late 19th century Germans gunships blockaded Haiti over some offense suffered by the German counsel there.

    The Germans were often the only whites in Haiti that weren’t diplomats or military officials for years up to the American intervention of 1915.

    American diplomatic relations with Haiti started around the civil war. The ambassador posting was designated the “black” posting so the only ambassadors were black. Frederick Douglass was offered the position and accepted.

    https://www.aaihs.org/frederick-douglass-haiti-and-diplomacy/

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  120. @International Jew
    I don't understand this at all. How does a huge guy like that get bullied in high school? (Is it fair to assume that if as an adult he reached 6'5" 315lb, then he was pretty big in high school too?)

    IJ, Incognito and his pals were accused of ( by Martin and the NFL) “…racist, sexually explicit, homophobic and misogynistic messages…” according to an article in today’s Buffalo News. I think Martin is gay.

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    Why would misogynistic comments against him being bullying, even if he is gay? Is that just an example of uncontrollable litany?
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  121. @Alec Leamas
    There's a difference between a schoolyard bully who torments the weak for sadistic reasons and how hard men engaged in a collective pursuit relate to one another. I don't know if the "bullying" spin was the correct term for what happened among those players, because at the time it seemed to be the preferred narrative and pretext for the Obama administration to further poz schools.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW9C4qi5Y80

    Martin was just soft, perhaps too refined for the rigors of the NFL in spite of his size.

    Sir Richard Incognito seemed slightly out of sorts in that YouTube bit. Something happened to irritate him; it might just have been the quantity of booze imbibed by the Buffalo Bills football player.

    But it does bring to mind the outcome of any prospective brawl between Sir John Stuart Jumbo Elliott and Sir Incognito. Perhaps Sir Incognito and Sir Elliott would combine and determine to drink a keg of beer together instead of brawling.

    The departed Sir Lyle of Alzado might have gotten along fine with Sir Incognito and Sir Elliott, even though Sir Lyle played on the defensive side of the field.

    What would Sir Randolph Nettleby think?

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  122. @Alfa158
    It’s a sad thing when someone who is 6’5”and 315 pounds can be bullied by anything this side of a grizzly bear. I’m a manling and I never let anyone bully me. The last time was in grade school. A Scut Farkas type and his little toady waylaid me on the way home from school. As they confronted me I noticed that the toady was, incredibly, even wimpier than me. So in an instinctive move, I knocked down the little guy, got on top of him and started pounding him until “Scut” pulled me off his minion and started pounding me. It was worth it; they never gave me another look after that.

    Alfa, your remark on Grizzly bears reminds me…”That which doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger.” Except Grizzly bears, they just kill you.

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    That's true of back problems, too. They don't kill you, but they don't make you stronger either.
    , @songbird
    There was that guy the Revenant movie was based on. Of course, they made up a lot of the story, but the really good parts are true - I think - mauled by a grizzly, left for dead by the two companions who were supposed to tend him and who took his riffle. Had to travel hundreds of miles through sheer wilderness, half broken and unarmed.

    Part of the old story was he tracked down one of the men down at a fort hundreds of miles away to demand his rifle back. Everyone thought he was going to shoot the man, and were willing to give him a gun, but he supposedly said something like "If God can forgive him, I can.". That part I rather doubt, personally.
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  123. @eah
    Cultural Contagion

    White Obama and his self-hating fam -- Never go full white Obama.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWxW4DcUQAAdFRQ.jpg

    eah, actually looks like the guy who handled my bags at the Toronto Airport, and I mean my luggage.

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  124. @Rosamond Vincy
    It's worse now, because the liberal teachers will punish the kid who fights back. That's what Zero Tolerance REALLY means.

    Rosamond, teachers are the worst. They will walk in a minute over a pay discrepancy of pennies or a perceived threat to their contracted benefits, but ignore total mayhem in the classroom.

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    I posted this on another thread about the latest school shooting:

    Liberal teachers tend to rely on group work and peer pressure. The result is that instead of having to worry about a strict teacher and a few bullies, you can have the whole class turned on you at any moment–after all, as long as they’re making fun of you for being too smart, too dumb, or just unpopular, they forget to notice that the teacher knows less about the subject than anyone in the class and it’s all busywork.

    No wonder unpopular kids think the whole world is against them. Liberal divide-and-conquer tactics require an eternal outsider–and those teachers aren’t willing to be outsiders, even respected outsiders. The difference between a spoiled brat who might outgrow it and a Nikolas Cruz could well be a teacher snapping, “Sit down and mind your manners, young man!” as opposed to a teacher cooing, “We understand you have trouble getting along, Nicky, and we all want to help you. Isn’t that right, class?”
     

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  125. @Buffalo Joe
    Alfa, your remark on Grizzly bears reminds me..."That which doesn't kill you, makes you stronger." Except Grizzly bears, they just kill you.

    That’s true of back problems, too. They don’t kill you, but they don’t make you stronger either.

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  126. @eah
    Cultural Contagion

    White Obama and his self-hating fam -- Never go full white Obama.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWxW4DcUQAAdFRQ.jpg

    Trudeau’s daughter just turned 9 this month. Even the most traditional Hindus and Muslims don’t cover up their daughters like that until they are 12 or so depending on their height.

    The scarves are part of the shalmar kameez It’s usually worn around the neck, not wrapped around the head like a hijab. He probably didn’t want them to wear saris because the short sleeves of the blouse might offend the strict Muslims.

    There are a zillion pictures of Mrs Kennedy’s trip to India and Pakistan in the early 1960s. She wore sleeve less scoop necked dresses with knee length skirts. And no one objected. She did wear bright Indian colors instead of drab western black and beige. The colors were her homage to Indian fashion.

    Times have changed. The British Foreign and Colonial Office recently had a hijab day. Hijabs were handed out and all the women were encouraged to wear them.

    How long before it becomes part of the dress code?

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    The shalmar kameez is a great way to dress, comfortable and doesn't require thinking about what goes with what. like a suit. smart and effective. (scarf optional for those who don't much care to accessorise).
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  127. @Buffalo Joe
    Rosamond, teachers are the worst. They will walk in a minute over a pay discrepancy of pennies or a perceived threat to their contracted benefits, but ignore total mayhem in the classroom.

    I posted this on another thread about the latest school shooting:

    Liberal teachers tend to rely on group work and peer pressure. The result is that instead of having to worry about a strict teacher and a few bullies, you can have the whole class turned on you at any moment–after all, as long as they’re making fun of you for being too smart, too dumb, or just unpopular, they forget to notice that the teacher knows less about the subject than anyone in the class and it’s all busywork.

    No wonder unpopular kids think the whole world is against them. Liberal divide-and-conquer tactics require an eternal outsider–and those teachers aren’t willing to be outsiders, even respected outsiders. The difference between a spoiled brat who might outgrow it and a Nikolas Cruz could well be a teacher snapping, “Sit down and mind your manners, young man!” as opposed to a teacher cooing, “We understand you have trouble getting along, Nicky, and we all want to help you. Isn’t that right, class?”

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    Rosamond, nice reply, thank you.
    , @J.Ross
    This is real, happened to me several times, and is pretty much the opposite of what teachers should do. It's a logical end result of egalitarianist responsibility-abdication: it's lonely and square to be an authority figure, it's comfortable to be pseudo-friends with the crowd. I expect that a similar dynamic functions in white collar workspaces.
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  128. @Anonymous

    Today we see cowardly emasculated pansy cops, four of them at last count, hiding outside a school while a mental defective with a gun given him by his single mommy murdered seventeen other kids. These are not men. A man does not hide while children are being slaughtered.
     
    I can't wrap my mind around the idea of their being multiple cops like that, in a single situation, so I looked it up and came up with just the one we already knew about. So is this true or not??

    It’s true. The first 3 who arrived waited for the rest to show up. Many cops qualify once a year and don’t really train much. And after Trayvon and Mike Brown who’s to blame them for holding back?

    I was only a probation officer and the liberal Jews and black activists watched us like vultures ready to accuse us of racism for looking the wrong way at a black thug.

    Wilson was trapped in the car by 2 thugs, Mike at the door and the other in the passenger seat. Zimmerman’s head was pounded in the sidewalk.

    Every day police and sheriffs sit through a muster before they go out

    Every day they are told to tread lightly so the department doesn’t get sued and accused of racism and the cops don’t go through hell and be forced to resign because some activist attorneys and the media decides they are the resurrection of Hitler and the KKK because they arrrsted a black thug.

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    Alden, Cleveland's Police Department is operating under a consent degree crafted with the DOJ after the police shooting of Tamir Rice. They actually are telling the officers to "disengage" from situations where the citizen threatens them. Easier to just not engage then to disengage.
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  129. @songbird
    Cruz is a guy that some would call white. He certainly isn't though, not in the sense of being a pure-blooded Euro. It is easy to see it in his bone structure.

    What I think is always curious about these shootings is so often the guy is someone whose parents are divorced or who grew up without a father. Liberals tend to pure environmentalists. You think they would pick up on this, and start campaigning for whole families. Or for some other way to try to replicate the old society where guns were more humdrum but in which school shootings were unheard of.

    But no, it's always against guns. Sometimes, it's for "common-sense" gun laws, but that is just an obvious ploy because so many talk nakedly about getting rid of guns when the audience is different.

    Cruz Dad was in his sixties and Mom late 50s when they adopted him. First Dad died then Mom.

    Lots of Whites have high cheekbones.

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  130. Incognito was born in New Jersey, his father was German and Italian. Incognito supported Trump and plenty of players supported Incognito when he was bothered by the Stanford crybaby.

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    It might have changed now after the football protests but during the election most white players in the NFL supported Trump. A few attended his rallies. Most black players didn’t. Evidently this caused some tensions on some teams. Bleacher Report had a very good article about this during the election.
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  131. @Buffalo Joe
    Alfa, your remark on Grizzly bears reminds me..."That which doesn't kill you, makes you stronger." Except Grizzly bears, they just kill you.

    There was that guy the Revenant movie was based on. Of course, they made up a lot of the story, but the really good parts are true – I think – mauled by a grizzly, left for dead by the two companions who were supposed to tend him and who took his riffle. Had to travel hundreds of miles through sheer wilderness, half broken and unarmed.

    Part of the old story was he tracked down one of the men down at a fort hundreds of miles away to demand his rifle back. Everyone thought he was going to shoot the man, and were willing to give him a gun, but he supposedly said something like “If God can forgive him, I can.”. That part I rather doubt, personally.

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    songbird, I doubt it too and did he forgive the Grizzly
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  132. @nebulafox
    Interestingly enough, the Haitians-both black and colored-didn't have much of an issue with the Overseas German community which held a stranglehold on political and economic power in the late 1800s and early 1900s, until we occupied the country and expelled them. This was for a host of reasons: a big one was that the Germans were more willing than other Europeans to consort and intermarry with the prominent mulatto families, allowing them to bypass the rules against whites owning land. They also proved more than willing to fund Haitian politicians and revolutionaries who were detrimental to the interests of American businessmen, which, Wilsonian rhetoric aside, was a major factor in our invasion of the country.

    (And possibly because they, unlike all the other European colonizers, played no historical role in the African slave trade. As @Doug mentioned, with the obvious exception of the period of complete genocidal insanity from 1929-1945 and things like the treatment of the Herero, Germans, despite their innate conservatism, generally look pretty darned progressive on the human issues compared to most other Europeans. German-Americans were the only ethnicity to seriously care about the fate of Indians in the US, for example. Compare that to the flat out genocidal approach of the English/Scots-Irish and the Spaniards.)

    I never heard of a German presence in Haiti. Thanks, I learn something new every day from the UNZ commenters.

    The mix of expertise and knowledge from the commenters on this site is as good as the mix of articles.

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    Alden, I've said it before but if they only served drinks here at iSteve's this would be paradise.
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  133. @Buffalo Joe
    IJ, Incognito and his pals were accused of ( by Martin and the NFL) "...racist, sexually explicit, homophobic and misogynistic messages..." according to an article in today's Buffalo News. I think Martin is gay.

    Why would misogynistic comments against him being bullying, even if he is gay? Is that just an example of uncontrollable litany?

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    guest, I too am baffled, but I quoted the line from the article in today's Buffalo News, front page of the Sports section
    , @J.Ross
    It seems pretty clear to me that talking about him as though he were a woman underscores the accusation that he is under-masculine.
    , @larry lurker
    Misogynistic comments = calling him a bitch, I'm guessing.
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  134. @International Jew
    I don't understand this at all. How does a huge guy like that get bullied in high school? (Is it fair to assume that if as an adult he reached 6'5" 315lb, then he was pretty big in high school too?)

    Big kids were bullied at my schools, if they were also weak, weird, and otherwise social unfit.

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  135. @al-Gharaniq
    This is the the blatant (and quite frankly, baffling) hypocrisy of the matter:

    White people can become "honorary" blacks by other black people, but black people always seem to complain that they can't become "honorary" whites. Realistically though, it's a lot easier for black people to fit in with white people than vice versa. Of course, "black people" and "white people" seem just to be euphemisms for inner city/low class culture vs. suburban/middle-high class culture, respectively.

    Except higher-class blacks feel disproportionate pressure to be blacker (“Am I black enough for ya?”), meaning low-class. Or in Obama’s case, radical. (He’s low-class in occasional diction only.) There’s no pressure amongst whites to be white trash.

    Oh, middle and above-class whites do ape lower culture, for instance by doing drugs, being promiscuous, listening to rock and rap, wearing trucker hats, all that crap. But no one takes that seriously. Everyone knows the difference between high-falutin’ low-classedness and actual low-classedness.

    Blacks, on the other hand, take it seriously. It’s like the only thing they take seriously.

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  136. @AndrewR
    I didn't follow this drama at all at the time, but no matter the details of what really happened to Martin, too many people downplay bullying. There are many reasons not to bully people, but the reason that even the most sociopathic people should care about is that if a person you've bullied decides to end their life, what on earth is stopping them from taking you with them? In most cases, the answer is: absolutely nothing. There's nothing to gain from making someone feel like they have nothing more to lose.

    Of course there’s something stopping them. Just because someone’s willing to kill themselves doesn’t mean they’re willing to kill someone else. What if they screw up and get caught, for instance?

    You can’t assume someone would be willing to kill two people just because they’re willing to kill one, any more than that they’d be willing to mass-murder just because they’re murderers. Or that they’ll might kill that guy over there just because they’re willing to kill this guy over here.

    There’s some risk with people who think they have nothing to lose, obviously. But when did you jump from simply bullying someone to bullying someone into thinking they have nothing to lose? There’s a giant gap in the middle of your post.

    It’s exceedingly easy to bully someone without making them think they have nothing to lose. As close to 100% as possible without being 100% of bullying cases don’t end in murder-suicide or even suicide.

    I could see making a sort of Pascal’s wager, because all you have to lose is the pleasure and utility of bullying. But that’s a little like arguing you better play the lottery because otherwise you can’t win a $600 million jackpot.

    Yeah, but what are the odds, and why am I worrying about them?

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  137. @Lugash
    The Conservative Treehouse says that it was a systemic effort between the sherrif's office and the school district:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/23/broward-county-sheriffs-office-did-not-miss-warning-signs-or-make-mistakes/

    It looks plausible, but I can't imagine this particular high school had to suppress that much crime.

    Trump's Luck strikes again, no matter how much we don't want it to.

    Do they think of it in high school by high school terms?

    In any case, there are Dieversity concerns. The Discipline Gap, dontcha know.

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  138. @songbird
    There was that guy the Revenant movie was based on. Of course, they made up a lot of the story, but the really good parts are true - I think - mauled by a grizzly, left for dead by the two companions who were supposed to tend him and who took his riffle. Had to travel hundreds of miles through sheer wilderness, half broken and unarmed.

    Part of the old story was he tracked down one of the men down at a fort hundreds of miles away to demand his rifle back. Everyone thought he was going to shoot the man, and were willing to give him a gun, but he supposedly said something like "If God can forgive him, I can.". That part I rather doubt, personally.

    songbird, I doubt it too and did he forgive the Grizzly

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  139. @guest
    Why would misogynistic comments against him being bullying, even if he is gay? Is that just an example of uncontrollable litany?

    guest, I too am baffled, but I quoted the line from the article in today’s Buffalo News, front page of the Sports section

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  140. @Alden
    I never heard of a German presence in Haiti. Thanks, I learn something new every day from the UNZ commenters.

    The mix of expertise and knowledge from the commenters on this site is as good as the mix of articles.

    Alden, I’ve said it before but if they only served drinks here at iSteve’s this would be paradise.

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    Whaddya mean? I am always half in the bag when I'm here. It helps mi sshpeling, knot to menshun mi whit.
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  141. @Alden
    It’s true. The first 3 who arrived waited for the rest to show up. Many cops qualify once a year and don’t really train much. And after Trayvon and Mike Brown who’s to blame them for holding back?

    I was only a probation officer and the liberal Jews and black activists watched us like vultures ready to accuse us of racism for looking the wrong way at a black thug.

    Wilson was trapped in the car by 2 thugs, Mike at the door and the other in the passenger seat. Zimmerman’s head was pounded in the sidewalk.

    Every day police and sheriffs sit through a muster before they go out

    Every day they are told to tread lightly so the department doesn’t get sued and accused of racism and the cops don’t go through hell and be forced to resign because some activist attorneys and the media decides they are the resurrection of Hitler and the KKK because they arrrsted a black thug.

    Alden, Cleveland’s Police Department is operating under a consent degree crafted with the DOJ after the police shooting of Tamir Rice. They actually are telling the officers to “disengage” from situations where the citizen threatens them. Easier to just not engage then to disengage.

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  142. @Rosamond Vincy
    I posted this on another thread about the latest school shooting:

    Liberal teachers tend to rely on group work and peer pressure. The result is that instead of having to worry about a strict teacher and a few bullies, you can have the whole class turned on you at any moment–after all, as long as they’re making fun of you for being too smart, too dumb, or just unpopular, they forget to notice that the teacher knows less about the subject than anyone in the class and it’s all busywork.

    No wonder unpopular kids think the whole world is against them. Liberal divide-and-conquer tactics require an eternal outsider–and those teachers aren’t willing to be outsiders, even respected outsiders. The difference between a spoiled brat who might outgrow it and a Nikolas Cruz could well be a teacher snapping, “Sit down and mind your manners, young man!” as opposed to a teacher cooing, “We understand you have trouble getting along, Nicky, and we all want to help you. Isn’t that right, class?”
     

    Rosamond, nice reply, thank you.

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  143. @Buffalo Joe
    Alden, I've said it before but if they only served drinks here at iSteve's this would be paradise.

    Whaddya mean? I am always half in the bag when I’m here. It helps mi sshpeling, knot to menshun mi whit.

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  144. @Anon
    Before the Colorado school shooting, there was Laurie Dann.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DExnUV0SQQU

    It was like reverse Catcher-In-the-Rye. In Salinger's story, the 'hero' wants to save innocent children from the corrupt adult world. And such 'logic' motivated Chapman to kill Lennon, the 'fraud' who sang of peace and justice but was just a rich celebrity.

    But Laurie Dann killed innocent kids. She had problem with innocence itself.

    And what happened to the celebrity killings? Granted, George Harrison barely survived a knife attack. Lennon got shot. Andy Warhol got shot, and a movie was made about it. There were lots of attempts on politicians. TAXI DRIVER reflected the culture-at-large and, in turn, may have inspired Hinckley.

    But the crazies seem to have lost interest in famous people. They just wanna shoot up schools or something. And the eruptions are from children themselves. It's kids killing kids.

    There were surely many troubled kids in the past too, but it could be they didn't shoot up their schools because they still had something like family, community life, shared culture, and Christian values. And even if they came from troubled families or broken families, the culture and society around them was still normal enough, and that normality may have kept them from acting crazy early. Take Lee Harvey Oswald. He was troubled all his life, from youth. And yet, his craziness emerged only later in life. But maybe if he'd grown up today, there would have been a good chance that he wouldn't have waited to do crazy stuff later. He might have shot up his school since culture and society are degraded at every level.

    If a society is sane, normal, and stable, then even troubled kids will be pressured to heed to social norms. So, their craziness will be contained. It may emerge later, as with Oswald, or by the time they're older, they could mature enough to control their dark side.

    But now, we got troubled kids growing up in a crazy society where the pop culture(as the only living culture) says EXTREME is the only way to be alive. The ugly music, the ultra-violent movies. Gore and blood are now not even shocking.

    Our degenerate society , lack of social bonds, destruction of family plus psychotropic drugs is not a good combination..

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  145. @J.Ross
    Is that Amritsar? Is he pleading for the safety of Canadian air traffic?

    Did he ‘do as the Indians do’ and squat in a field to take a shit?

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  146. @Ed
    Don’t think Obama did anything like this idiot is doing.

    The author of that tweet was probably thinking of an occasion like this:

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  147. @Chrisnonymous
    It's interesting--my mother has very different stereotypes of blacks and gays than I do. I think of gays as being especially friendly towards women and of blacks as being rather masculine and ~gay. On the other hand, my mother thinks gays mostly hate women and that there are lots more effeminate blacks than whites or Asians. (BTW, she's a professional counselor, so her impressions are not as simplistic as "gays aren't attracted to women, so they don't like women.") Just an interesting difference--generational?

    Also, I'm interested in your handle. What does it refer to?

    Generally speaking, I think the stereotypes by the older generation are more accurate than the ones of by the younger. Also, gays hating women doesn’t surprise me, because women hate other women. Women are more misogynistic than any man ever could dream of being.

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  148. @Rosamond Vincy
    It's worse now, because the liberal teachers will punish the kid who fights back. That's what Zero Tolerance REALLY means.

    Once when I was in the 2nd grade I think it was , I brought in a model airplane for show and tell , the Dodgers where still in Brooklyn then . This asshole in my class stole my little pilot from the model . I noticed it after recess and told the teacher , we were all sitting in our desks . The slag called me a tattle tale and mocked me for not handling it myself . So I got up walked over to the future felon and began to pound the shit out of him . She just about shit herself . What did she expect . I got my little plastic man back and surprisingly she didn’t send me to the principal’s office .

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    Not surprising at all. She was afraid you'd tell the principal she told you to handle it yourself.

    ;-)
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  149. @Rosamond Vincy
    I posted this on another thread about the latest school shooting:

    Liberal teachers tend to rely on group work and peer pressure. The result is that instead of having to worry about a strict teacher and a few bullies, you can have the whole class turned on you at any moment–after all, as long as they’re making fun of you for being too smart, too dumb, or just unpopular, they forget to notice that the teacher knows less about the subject than anyone in the class and it’s all busywork.

    No wonder unpopular kids think the whole world is against them. Liberal divide-and-conquer tactics require an eternal outsider–and those teachers aren’t willing to be outsiders, even respected outsiders. The difference between a spoiled brat who might outgrow it and a Nikolas Cruz could well be a teacher snapping, “Sit down and mind your manners, young man!” as opposed to a teacher cooing, “We understand you have trouble getting along, Nicky, and we all want to help you. Isn’t that right, class?”
     

    This is real, happened to me several times, and is pretty much the opposite of what teachers should do. It’s a logical end result of egalitarianist responsibility-abdication: it’s lonely and square to be an authority figure, it’s comfortable to be pseudo-friends with the crowd. I expect that a similar dynamic functions in white collar workspaces.

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  150. @guest
    Why would misogynistic comments against him being bullying, even if he is gay? Is that just an example of uncontrollable litany?

    It seems pretty clear to me that talking about him as though he were a woman underscores the accusation that he is under-masculine.

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    But why would talking about him as if he were a woman be construed as misogynistic? I mean, there would be the implication that it's a bad thing to be a woman, and play into stereotypes of women. But considering he's a man and a football player at that, it actually would be a problem for him to be feminine.

    Boy, women and their enablers sure do stretch the woe is me thing. It would never occur to me to take offense at a girl being called a tomboy, for instance, on account of it being misandrist because it implies there's something wrong with masculinity in women.
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  151. @guest
    Why would misogynistic comments against him being bullying, even if he is gay? Is that just an example of uncontrollable litany?

    Misogynistic comments = calling him a bitch, I’m guessing.

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  152. @Alden
    Some commenters in other sites claim Nikolas is one of those severely damaged at birth Russian adoptees with fetal alcoholic syndrome.

    Who knows?

    Has there ever been a mass shooting at a private school? I don’t think so.

    Has there ever been a mass shooting at a private school? I don’t think so.

    Private school shootings since 2000, not necessarily mass shootings:

    2001 bishop Neumann High school (Catholic) 1 injury

    2006 West Nickel Mine School (Amish) 6 deaths 5 injuries (the link wrongly says 3 injuries)

    2012 Episcopal School of Jacksonville 2 deaths

    2013 Apostolic Revival Center Christian School 1 death

    2013 Agape Christian Academy 2 injuries

    2015 Wisconsin Lutheran High School 3 injuries (There was another shooting at the same school in 1979. 1 injury)

    Beyond K-12, there have been numerous shootings at private colleges since 2000, including a monastary and Harvard.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

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  153. @Charles Pewitt
    Incognito was born in New Jersey, his father was German and Italian. Incognito supported Trump and plenty of players supported Incognito when he was bothered by the Stanford crybaby.

    It might have changed now after the football protests but during the election most white players in the NFL supported Trump. A few attended his rallies. Most black players didn’t. Evidently this caused some tensions on some teams. Bleacher Report had a very good article about this during the election.

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  154. @Alden
    Sophia’s Mom was a failed actress who pushed Sophia into acting including some topless scenes as soon as Sophia was 14. Kudos if they succeed or just manage to make a living.

    I think Romilda, Sophia’s mom, was a “businesswoman.” Whether it was a side business, I dunno.

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  155. @Corn
    Why do you say that?

    If you are going to repatriate a group of people, do you want them bearing arms or not?

    I think it works well in the USA where the majority are white, with a hostile power structure and growing non-white minority, to have the 2A. That is because there is also the 1A. The USA works well as a font of pro-white thought that is spreading throughout the world. Certain people want to “shut it down”, but it’s a helluva lot easier said than done, thankfully. The 2A plays a part in that. And non-whites are already armed, so if they are armed it’s a good situation that white people are very well armed, Republicans have the highest gun ownership rates.

    Outside the USA though, you generally have less free speech and no right to bear arms. However, once the zeitgeist changes (and it is definitely changing), the already disarmed population will be an advantageous situation. All you need then is a friendly government and you’re golden.

    Interestingly I was reading about Meir Kahane the other day, for a thread, and read about his proposed solution for Israel and non-Jews. It’s actually quite soft, as its Apartheid state allows for eventual demographic overwhelming like South Africa or the American South. On the other hand, he also said that if he was Prime Minister, there would be no Arabs in Israel so work that one out. So maybe there was a staged process in his mind. (I don’t really know that much about Kahane to be honest.)

    Kahane proposed that the State of Israel should enforce Jewish law, as codified by Maimonides,[3] under which non-Jews who wish to dwell in Israel would have three options: remain as “resident strangers” with all rights but national ones,[4] which would require non-Jews to accept resident-stranger status with all rights but political ones. Those who are unwilling to accept such a status will be required to leave the country with full compensation and, those who refuse to do even that, will be forcefully removed.

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  156. @donut
    Once when I was in the 2nd grade I think it was , I brought in a model airplane for show and tell , the Dodgers where still in Brooklyn then . This asshole in my class stole my little pilot from the model . I noticed it after recess and told the teacher , we were all sitting in our desks . The slag called me a tattle tale and mocked me for not handling it myself . So I got up walked over to the future felon and began to pound the shit out of him . She just about shit herself . What did she expect . I got my little plastic man back and surprisingly she didn't send me to the principal's office .

    Not surprising at all. She was afraid you’d tell the principal she told you to handle it yourself.

    ;-)

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  157. We haven’t been chemically castrated though it is possible there is only one nut remaining. The difference is demographics. The constitution was written for white westerners of iron constitution. 90% plus white westerner is now down in the 60s somewhere with the rest being third worlders with grievances. You don’t really have to look much further than that. Different culture.

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  158. @Jim Don Bob
    Whaddya mean? I am always half in the bag when I'm here. It helps mi sshpeling, knot to menshun mi whit.

    Eye nose wat shoe mean.

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  159. @S. Anonyia
    I'm a teacher and I see huge kids get bullied all the time. Who gets bullied is more about personality and softness than it is physical characteristics. Basically who is timid and who will take it. A giant kid has more of a chance of stopping the bullying if they fight back, but until they stand up for themselves it will continue.

    School bullying dynamics change with age, and the times. Visualize a kid growing several inches between spring and fall, and adding a lot of muscle. That wasn’t uncommon back in the day. The skinny 5′ 7″ guy who comes back at 6′ and 25 pounds stronger, both on the way north. That tended to get noticed by others who might then develop a more deferential approach.

    The modern era has e-bullying with attendant policies, new legal intervention and a more dynamic landscape to attempt to navigate. No wonder Prozac and such lead to some more non-linear escalations.

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  160. @Triumph104

    Has there ever been a mass shooting at a private school? I don’t think so.
     
    Private school shootings since 2000, not necessarily mass shootings:

    2001 bishop Neumann High school (Catholic) 1 injury

    2006 West Nickel Mine School (Amish) 6 deaths 5 injuries (the link wrongly says 3 injuries)

    2012 Episcopal School of Jacksonville 2 deaths

    2013 Apostolic Revival Center Christian School 1 death

    2013 Agape Christian Academy 2 injuries

    2015 Wisconsin Lutheran High School 3 injuries (There was another shooting at the same school in 1979. 1 injury)

    Beyond K-12, there have been numerous shootings at private colleges since 2000, including a monastary and Harvard.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

    Thanks for the information.

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  161. @J.Ross
    It seems pretty clear to me that talking about him as though he were a woman underscores the accusation that he is under-masculine.

    But why would talking about him as if he were a woman be construed as misogynistic? I mean, there would be the implication that it’s a bad thing to be a woman, and play into stereotypes of women. But considering he’s a man and a football player at that, it actually would be a problem for him to be feminine.

    Boy, women and their enablers sure do stretch the woe is me thing. It would never occur to me to take offense at a girl being called a tomboy, for instance, on account of it being misandrist because it implies there’s something wrong with masculinity in women.

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    Because they're presupposing that masculinity is better, whereas they ought to think that any woman could be an NFL player.
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  162. @guest
    But why would talking about him as if he were a woman be construed as misogynistic? I mean, there would be the implication that it's a bad thing to be a woman, and play into stereotypes of women. But considering he's a man and a football player at that, it actually would be a problem for him to be feminine.

    Boy, women and their enablers sure do stretch the woe is me thing. It would never occur to me to take offense at a girl being called a tomboy, for instance, on account of it being misandrist because it implies there's something wrong with masculinity in women.

    Because they’re presupposing that masculinity is better, whereas they ought to think that any woman could be an NFL player.

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  163. @Anonymous
    Mayer is the modern Frank Sinatra, in that he's the modern version of the Crooner-a bonafide virtuoso rock guitarist-who is known to have a dig bick ( I have it on authority entirely satisfactory to me that he's clearly bigger than average but not so big that it doesn't fit most sexually active women) and has been known to have roundly rogered a number of A-lister women. I'm not saying TS, Katy Perry and Jen Aniston are exactly Ava Gardner or Marilyn Monroe, but they certainly at the top of the modern celebrity roster in terms of fame.

    He is not the best technical guitarist-those guys are usually people who play music unpalatable to the masses, that is, fusion jazz, shred metal, or stuff like Allan Holdsworth played-but among guys who play something resembling modern pop-rock he's damn impressive.

    The reaction he gets at NAMM shows-a music merchants' convention closed to the public and crawling with celebs and guitar world figures-is phenomenal. Hard bitten industry figures like Paul Reed Smith just slather over the guy, not sexually, but in awe of his 'awesomeness', so to speak.

    John Mayer is WAY overrated. I’ll never understand how he got popular, and he’s not worthy enough to carry Sinatra’s jock strap. Sinatra would eat that soyboy wimp for breakfast. Van Halen, Vai, Satriani are guys who play circles around him and have still sold millions of records. The fact that these people slobber all over Mayer really shows what a sad state of affairs we live in today.

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  164. @Alden
    Trudeau’s daughter just turned 9 this month. Even the most traditional Hindus and Muslims don’t cover up their daughters like that until they are 12 or so depending on their height.

    The scarves are part of the shalmar kameez It’s usually worn around the neck, not wrapped around the head like a hijab. He probably didn’t want them to wear saris because the short sleeves of the blouse might offend the strict Muslims.

    There are a zillion pictures of Mrs Kennedy’s trip to India and Pakistan in the early 1960s. She wore sleeve less scoop necked dresses with knee length skirts. And no one objected. She did wear bright Indian colors instead of drab western black and beige. The colors were her homage to Indian fashion.

    Times have changed. The British Foreign and Colonial Office recently had a hijab day. Hijabs were handed out and all the women were encouraged to wear them.

    How long before it becomes part of the dress code?

    The shalmar kameez is a great way to dress, comfortable and doesn’t require thinking about what goes with what. like a suit. smart and effective. (scarf optional for those who don’t much care to accessorise).

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  165. @Hibernian
    Not a good strategy. There might be some third party effects. His status as an honorary black guy and quite likely his future with the team were eventually going to be in jeopardy anyway, anyhow.

    And you may ask yourself, what does this mean? Ask yourself who has a bigger contract, Martin or Incognito? Ask yourself, who knows more about how the NFL works, Martin or Incognito? Who has had a 13 year NFL career, Martin or Incognito? I was here when it went down, and Incognito was offered up by Ross and Philbin to the SJW circling sharks. This is the NFL, baby, do you want to win or do you want virtue? I was disabused of this nonsense as a life-long Nittany Lion. Martin would be whining about fairness even if he was a University Professor. F him.

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  166. @Alden
    I’m sure Andrew R, Robin G L Woods and the other guys who called the Russian artist a slut and attention whore because of her self portrait with neck shoulders and arms showing totally approve of the Trudeau women totally covered from head to toe with only hands and face showing.

    This site is full of guys ranting that women wearing short skirts and sleeveless tops are inviting rape so how can you all disapprove of the Trudeaus shrouding them selves?

    I well remember how many men commented that the girls at the Arianna Grande concert deserved to be killed because they dressed like “ sluts”

    I also remember how many men commented that the German women who were assaulted by Muslim and black immigrants during the German Nee Years deserved it because they dressed like “sluts” .

    Given that it was about 40F that night in the middle of winter the “ slutty” outfits were covered by winter coats, pants, boots and gloves. and little flesh was seen.

    Make up your minds guys. From reading this site I’ve gathered that most of you think that the shalmar kameez with covered head and neck and sleeves covering half the hand should be the national dress for European and American women to avoid being named sluts who deserve rape because of the way we dress.

    Settle down, sweetheart. The Huffington Post is that-a-way.———->

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  167. @J.Ross
    This is real, happened to me several times, and is pretty much the opposite of what teachers should do. It's a logical end result of egalitarianist responsibility-abdication: it's lonely and square to be an authority figure, it's comfortable to be pseudo-friends with the crowd. I expect that a similar dynamic functions in white collar workspaces.

    Right. It’s another reason we have so many snow flakes today. Their parents never told them no because they wanted to be their kids’ friend.

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  168. @S. Anonyia
    Your mother is right. Effeminate gays love being around women because they have similar interests, but they also hate them. Gays are extremely rude and misogynistic around women who allow it (which is most because women are socialized into being too nice). Gays who hang around women a lot often establish themselves as either the Queen Bee or the Queen Bee's enforcer in their cliques.

    My wife has a ton of gay male friends (she was in musical theater for many years). I’ve never seen or heard about even a smidgen of misogyny from any of them. I’ve seen a bit of hostility going the other way, e.g. she’ll call Johnny Weir a “little fag.”

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  169. Incidentally, the 2014 report on the Martin issue as well as the NFL report on Deflategate was written by Ted Wells, probably the most prominent and successful private-sector black attorney in the country.

    https://www.paulweiss.com/professionals/partners-and-counsel/theodore-v-wells-jr

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  170. @KunioKun
    @Chrisnonymous

    KunioKun is a video game character that appeared in lots of games in the 1980s. My favorite was River City Rampage.

    I knew two nerdy blacks growing up. They were the children of a pastor. Neither were particularly smart, but they were exceptionally well behaved and shy. From what I saw everybody in the school was very friendly with them, even the other blacks. The older one liked video games and the younger one, a female, got into punk rock music and skateboarding.

    There was also a very well-behaved and polite though not very smart black in my high school growing up. Actually, I liked him quite a bit. I grew up in New York State, which had 2 educational tracks for high school–Regents diploma and non-Regents diploma. This black kid went into the non-Regents diploma, so I didn’t see him much after junior high school. I usually forget about when I’m commenting on iSteve.

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  171. @KunioKun
    @Chrisnonymous

    KunioKun is a video game character that appeared in lots of games in the 1980s. My favorite was River City Rampage.

    I knew two nerdy blacks growing up. They were the children of a pastor. Neither were particularly smart, but they were exceptionally well behaved and shy. From what I saw everybody in the school was very friendly with them, even the other blacks. The older one liked video games and the younger one, a female, got into punk rock music and skateboarding.

    I see from a search that Dodgeball was one of the games featuring KunioKun.
    That’s one of the few video games I’ve liked in my lifetime…

    Space Invaders

    Super Dodgeball

    Marathon

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  172. @helena
    The shalmar kameez is a great way to dress, comfortable and doesn't require thinking about what goes with what. like a suit. smart and effective. (scarf optional for those who don't much care to accessorise).

    But it’s not the Western way to dress!

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  173. @MikeatMikedotMike
    They used to be. Read Conrad Dobler's book "They Call Me Dirty".

    Yeah I believe it happened occasionally back then

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  174. @Rosamond Vincy
    It's worse now, because the liberal teachers will punish the kid who fights back. That's what Zero Tolerance REALLY means.

    It’s worse now, because the liberal teachers will punish the kid who fights back. That’s what Zero Tolerance REALLY means.

    Come, now.

    There is very little they can even do to them. They must investigate the claim that they other hit first or bullied, etc. I told my kids never to worry too much about the teacher punishing them for hitting someone back because the punishment would be practically nothing. Besides, schools keep records of how many times kids are reported for discipline issues and the bully will have a record while my kid doesn’t. I told my kids to hit back harder, so hard that the bully never wanted to mess with him again.

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    I know people whose kids got suspended for defending themselves on the way home from the bus, which used to be open season. I agree, the kids have to hit back anyway because the bullies won't stop without it, but some schools don't care whose fault it was or whose track record is worse. You're doing the right thing backing your kids, but not all parents do that. They send their kids to counseling to learn Conflict Resolution instead of letting them slug it out and get it over with (I really do know a couple who did that after their kid was getting punched at the Montessori School).
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  175. @Anon
    Before the Colorado school shooting, there was Laurie Dann.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DExnUV0SQQU

    It was like reverse Catcher-In-the-Rye. In Salinger's story, the 'hero' wants to save innocent children from the corrupt adult world. And such 'logic' motivated Chapman to kill Lennon, the 'fraud' who sang of peace and justice but was just a rich celebrity.

    But Laurie Dann killed innocent kids. She had problem with innocence itself.

    And what happened to the celebrity killings? Granted, George Harrison barely survived a knife attack. Lennon got shot. Andy Warhol got shot, and a movie was made about it. There were lots of attempts on politicians. TAXI DRIVER reflected the culture-at-large and, in turn, may have inspired Hinckley.

    But the crazies seem to have lost interest in famous people. They just wanna shoot up schools or something. And the eruptions are from children themselves. It's kids killing kids.

    There were surely many troubled kids in the past too, but it could be they didn't shoot up their schools because they still had something like family, community life, shared culture, and Christian values. And even if they came from troubled families or broken families, the culture and society around them was still normal enough, and that normality may have kept them from acting crazy early. Take Lee Harvey Oswald. He was troubled all his life, from youth. And yet, his craziness emerged only later in life. But maybe if he'd grown up today, there would have been a good chance that he wouldn't have waited to do crazy stuff later. He might have shot up his school since culture and society are degraded at every level.

    If a society is sane, normal, and stable, then even troubled kids will be pressured to heed to social norms. So, their craziness will be contained. It may emerge later, as with Oswald, or by the time they're older, they could mature enough to control their dark side.

    But now, we got troubled kids growing up in a crazy society where the pop culture(as the only living culture) says EXTREME is the only way to be alive. The ugly music, the ultra-violent movies. Gore and blood are now not even shocking.

    in the old days, psycho kids were kicked out to reform school, which is basically prison, or committed to mental institutions.

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  176. @Anonym
    I am a big fan of the 2A. But on another note I'm thinking that the general trend of white majority countries outside the USA not having the 2A will be useful when the time comes.

    Reminder of the Jefferson Variant Styx Plan for Cali:
    Let California have full independence.
    A man, a plan: northern California wants bonus independence. Emperor Brown explains that independence is not for everyone.
    Californians are oppressing the Jeffersonians!
    Looks like somebody needs some aerially-delivered freedom.
    Invade, recognizing the new state of Jefferson, and WITHOUT restoring SoCal’s statehood. SoCal becomes a territory like Puerto Rico. Maybe we give pieces to Mexico, maybe let them become a state later. All them lefties, not sure what happened to them in all the chaos.

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  177. @Clyde
    About Jonathan Martin. He is one quarter black. Half black father times a half black mother means you come out one quarter black. Especially when both parents at 5%ers. The elite of the talented tenth.

    Half black father times a half black mother means you come out one quarter black.

    Um, no. A child inherits half from one parent and half from the other. If each parent is half, the child is also half. However, all that matters are the genes he actually inherited, which could be pretty much 50-50, or disproportionately black or the white.

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  178. @Clyde
    About Jonathan Martin. He is one quarter black. Half black father times a half black mother means you come out one quarter black. Especially when both parents at 5%ers. The elite of the talented tenth.

    Wouldn’t this also mean that half white times half white means you come out a quarter white? I’m pretty sure that all white plus all black means you end up half of each. As near as makes no odds anyway.

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  179. @Joe Schmoe

    It’s worse now, because the liberal teachers will punish the kid who fights back. That’s what Zero Tolerance REALLY means.

     

    Come, now.

    There is very little they can even do to them. They must investigate the claim that they other hit first or bullied, etc. I told my kids never to worry too much about the teacher punishing them for hitting someone back because the punishment would be practically nothing. Besides, schools keep records of how many times kids are reported for discipline issues and the bully will have a record while my kid doesn't. I told my kids to hit back harder, so hard that the bully never wanted to mess with him again.

    I know people whose kids got suspended for defending themselves on the way home from the bus, which used to be open season. I agree, the kids have to hit back anyway because the bullies won’t stop without it, but some schools don’t care whose fault it was or whose track record is worse. You’re doing the right thing backing your kids, but not all parents do that. They send their kids to counseling to learn Conflict Resolution instead of letting them slug it out and get it over with (I really do know a couple who did that after their kid was getting punched at the Montessori School).

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  180. @miss marple
    This post would be much more interesting if it included why Martin gets picked on. Include some names he gets called or something. I mean would most people reflexively want to bully this guy or are football players rabid with free-floating testosterone and brain damage?

    I remember watching my nephews take ski lessons at a Vermont resort. The young lady doing the teaching was a no-nonsense sort, and in response to one particularly whiny kid complaining about the cold, she said “Toughen up, cupcake!”.

    Now take this attitude to a large group of gigantic, muscular guys involved in a group pursuit where the weakest link can be the cause for group’s failure and the potential loss of millions of dollars. The weakest link is identified and tested harshly, to see if it continues to fail or hardens up with the additional tempering. The tempering involves physical and emotional abuse, something an NFL player has been dealing with since high school ball.

    Martin had fine physical tools to play in the NFL for a long time. He just didn’t have the emotional tools to deal with the process.

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  181. @Rosamond Vincy
    It's worse now, because the liberal teachers will punish the kid who fights back. That's what Zero Tolerance REALLY means.

    The nuns knew how to handle it.

    I was one of those fat kids who took a lot of abuse in school. Being one of the SIX non-Irish in the entire school didn’t help; neither did having a saintly mother with standards of deportment that didn’t hold with fisticuffs.

    I finally snapped during recess in 7th grade and, right in front of the nun on monitor duty, punched my tormentor right in the mouth. She pointedly said nothing, so I hit him again and he stayed down. The good sister helped him up and told him to report to the principal’s office. She then took me aside and said that it was about time I stood up for myself and she didn’t expect to see me need to hit anybody again. She was right.

    Fallout: the kid I hit ended up being a good friend in high school. He admitted to acting out because his older brothers picked on him.

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    My dad had a shop teacher like that. He saw my dad slug someone who'd been bullying him for a while, took my dad aside, and bawled him out-- for putting his thumb in the wrong place when he made a fist: "You could break your thumb that way!"
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  182. @Colleen Pater
    I wonder if assuming a small minority of blacks were able to transcend the average black paths on merit or was there an unofficial affirmative action going on back then.Its not an easy question since obviously just going to a unofficially whites only school would take some affirmative action regardless the merit, but also because merit was less scientifically measured or used for admissions back then.
    Yes your point that those of us with a smattering of historical perspective, or of a certain age that we can actually remember the way we were, have always been aware women and other minorities have always participated in ways we are taught never happened before leftist intervention is apt. It just made me rethink an assumption.

    Perhaps you should learn something about the history American college admissions before making such ridiculous accusations. I bet you don’t think Jews received affirmative action in 1918 to gain admission into Protestant colleges like Harvard and Princeton. Standardized exams were used in the early 20th century which is what led to the “problem” of too many Jews and resulted in restrictive quotas.

    Prior to the post-Civil Rights Act era, elite colleges placed the same restrictive quotas on blacks that were placed on Jews. In 1929 Barnard College had a quota of only two black women.

    Dorothy Height was a civil rights activist and a mentor to Barack Obama.

    Eighty-one years ago, Dorothy Height was denied admission to Barnard College because of a racial quota, a reprehensible part of our history and a blemish on the past that we cannot undo. Barnard long ago stopped this admission practice and deeply regrets that it ever existed.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/28/opinion/lweb28height.html

    But she arrived after Barnard had already admitted the two blacks it accepted per year at the time. Instead, Height earned her bachelor’s and master’s degrees at New York University in four years and did postgraduate studies in social work.

    https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126128076

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  183. @Autochthon
    It's almost as if miscegenation is a terrible idea with all.kinds of undesirable consequences people may not deem.immediately obvious but which time and wisdom have therefore quite rightly made taboo, such that flippantly embracing them is stupid and dangerous.

    In other news, putting ones penis in another's rectum is unsanitary and spreads vile contagions; bastardy makes for poverty, resentment, and crime; heterogeneous populations breed distrust and social bedlam; giving things to lazy and irresponsible people creates perverse incentives....

    Man, it's as if all kinds of stodgy rules and mores the Man and the squares are always on about are in fact rooted in experiences learned the hard way over millennia of blood, sweat, and tears.

    This is what happens when you combine historical ignorance, contempt for the aggregated wisdom that comprises the learned lessons of 10 or 100 millennia, and self-righteous hubris.

    But hey, reality gets the last word. The questions is how much needless suffering must be visited on the innocent until they relearn what we already know.

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  184. @Alden
    I’m sure Andrew R, Robin G L Woods and the other guys who called the Russian artist a slut and attention whore because of her self portrait with neck shoulders and arms showing totally approve of the Trudeau women totally covered from head to toe with only hands and face showing.

    This site is full of guys ranting that women wearing short skirts and sleeveless tops are inviting rape so how can you all disapprove of the Trudeaus shrouding them selves?

    I well remember how many men commented that the girls at the Arianna Grande concert deserved to be killed because they dressed like “ sluts”

    I also remember how many men commented that the German women who were assaulted by Muslim and black immigrants during the German Nee Years deserved it because they dressed like “sluts” .

    Given that it was about 40F that night in the middle of winter the “ slutty” outfits were covered by winter coats, pants, boots and gloves. and little flesh was seen.

    Make up your minds guys. From reading this site I’ve gathered that most of you think that the shalmar kameez with covered head and neck and sleeves covering half the hand should be the national dress for European and American women to avoid being named sluts who deserve rape because of the way we dress.

    You are citing Andrew R as representative? Up your meds, and come back when your fevered imaginations subside.

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  185. @Chrisnonymous
    It's interesting--my mother has very different stereotypes of blacks and gays than I do. I think of gays as being especially friendly towards women and of blacks as being rather masculine and ~gay. On the other hand, my mother thinks gays mostly hate women and that there are lots more effeminate blacks than whites or Asians. (BTW, she's a professional counselor, so her impressions are not as simplistic as "gays aren't attracted to women, so they don't like women.") Just an interesting difference--generational?

    Also, I'm interested in your handle. What does it refer to?

    Your mother is right. IME, virtually all “gay from birth” men hate women and femininity with the white hot passion of a sun. In fact, as a native New Yorker who spent plenty of hours among the late-90′s trendmakers, it was noticeable (for clarification: only poor gays had “girlfriends” and any non-poor gay with “girlfriends” had a life story that inevitably culminated in, “I didn’t know that I was gay until I met my first boyfriend in high school. Yes, he was 10+ years older than me, but love is love.”)

    Likewise, given the 70+% single motherhood rate in the AA community (and the ever decreasing male involvement rates in the life of the average AA child), even the most outwardly masculine black American man has the air of emotional fragility that has always characterised femininity across all racial/cultural barriers. AA men tend towards two extremes in the modern era: dandies and thugs. We’re either fashion plates (in the pursuit of “classy broads”/mommy’s approval) or “real n*ggas” (in the pursuit of mommy’s love and respect/quick sex from hybristophiles).

    The type of stoic, stolid, concrete masculinity that is the product of a father/older brothed/avuncular upbringing is essentially dead.

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  186. @Brutusale
    The nuns knew how to handle it.

    I was one of those fat kids who took a lot of abuse in school. Being one of the SIX non-Irish in the entire school didn't help; neither did having a saintly mother with standards of deportment that didn't hold with fisticuffs.

    I finally snapped during recess in 7th grade and, right in front of the nun on monitor duty, punched my tormentor right in the mouth. She pointedly said nothing, so I hit him again and he stayed down. The good sister helped him up and told him to report to the principal's office. She then took me aside and said that it was about time I stood up for myself and she didn't expect to see me need to hit anybody again. She was right.

    Fallout: the kid I hit ended up being a good friend in high school. He admitted to acting out because his older brothers picked on him.

    My dad had a shop teacher like that. He saw my dad slug someone who’d been bullying him for a while, took my dad aside, and bawled him out– for putting his thumb in the wrong place when he made a fist: “You could break your thumb that way!”

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  187. Speaking of ESPN, they finally fired Jemelle Hill from Sports Center after her many racist comments. She “is leaving the show to join the staff of “The Undefeated,” a branch of ESPN that covers how race and sports are intertwined.” Set your DVR!

    http://www.vulture.com/2018/01/jemele-hill-is-leaving-sportscenter-for-the-undefeated.html

    2) And Georgia’s Lt Governor is vowing to hold up a $0.40/gallon tax break Delta gets at its Atlanta hub because of its anti-NRA moves. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/delta-facing-pushback-for-cutting-nra-ties-casey-cagle/

    It’s almost like actions have consequences. Or something.

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