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An interesting thing to keep in mind about soccer is that although individual games seems fairly random due to low sample sizes of scoring, no non-major soccer power has won in a very long time. Since 1954 the World Cup champ has been a fairly large country such as Brazil, Germany, Italy, France, Spain, England, and Argentina. Smaller countries such as Netherlands three times (currently 17 million), Czechoslovakia, Sweden, and Hungary have lost in the final game, although usually further back in history.

Croatia (population 4.1 million, 1/16th of France’s 67 million) is the smallest finalist since little Uruguay famously beat big Brazil in Rio in front of 199,000 in 1950.

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  1. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    The England side lacked the asabiyya and existential determination that was evident in the Croatians. Only a tiny minority of the England players are Englishmen. (Do non-English players on the team have a conflict of interest?)

  2. *Croatia vs Africa

    • Replies: @Bliss
  3. istevefan says:

    Since 1954 the World Cup champ has been a fairly large country……Croatia (population 4.1 million, 1/16th of France’s 67 million) is the smallest finalist since little Uruguay

    The topic of this final is not going to be about big country versus small. Team makeup is going to be on the agenda, not population size. If France wins, it will be due to multiculturalism and will be proof that the immivasion was worth it.

    If Croatia wins, crickets.

  4. Fredrik says:

    A Croatian team full of Croats. And it’s successful. Who would have thought that?

    • Replies: @Bill jones
    , @George
  5. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Croatia is a small country, but its national team is stocked with pros from top European teams (Real Madrid, Liverpool, Juventus, etc.).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Prester John
  6. OT
    Philosophical immovable object vs. irresistible force question.

    A 91-year-old Latino man named Rodriguez is beaten bloody with a brick, suffering broken ribs and a broken cheekbone. The assailant says “Go back to your country” during the attack. Lots of photogenic gore on victim’s face and on the sidewalk.

    Should this event be widely publicised by the media?

    The catch:

    The attacker is a strong, independent black woman of color.

  7. MBlanc46 says:

    I hope that the spirits of my French ancestors will forgive me for favoring Croatia.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  8. For whatever reason, fortune hasn’t been smiling on Trump detractors over the past year. So, I’m betting that, because “the trend is your friend,” Croatia pulls off the upset and beats the diverse French side.

    I also predict we’ll see lots of “thoughtful” essays about how Croatia’s win represents a tragedy for the world and is a danger to peace in our times. The more paranoid articles will link allude to a conspiracy between this win and Melania Trump having been born in neighboring Slovenia.

    • Replies: @The Wobbly Guy
  9. eah says:

  10. BB753 says:

    The thing is, France was never a major power in European soccer competitions; that is, they never had powerful soccer clubs until 10 years ago. In the old days, French soccer clubs used to be tiny, and lacked prestige: Paris Saint Germain, Saint Etienne, Nantes, Marseilles, those clubs were dwarfed by historic clubs like Juventus, Milan, Manchester, Liverpool, Bayern, Real Madrid, Barcelona. Even Scotland, Belgium and the Netherlands had better local clubs. Nobody cared about the French soccer league, not even in France. Though the French had a pretty good national squad in the 80′s with Platini, Giresse, etc.
    Regarding Croatia, so far they’ve played the best soccer in the World Cup. I wish them well against the “French” side. Still, the French have a great defense and slightly better odds at winning. It’ll all come down to whether Modric and Rakitic are in shape. Those two are pure genius. Some say Modric reminds them of Dutch great Johan Cruiff.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Dave Pinsen
  11. I’m guessing if there’s going to be a favorite over here, it will be underdog Croatia. Besides, people find it hard to get empathetic about France, except when the Wehrmacht marches in, and even then, feelings are somewhat mixed.

    • LOL: bomag
  12. When a Croatian man looks at his team, he sees himself and his ancestors and can feel rightfully proud. When a Frenchman looks at his team he sees Africa.

    We can mock the French (even if they win) for cucking out by fielding a “national” team of Africans but all kinds of people in North America cheer for a football or basketball team that’s similarly African.

  13. BenKenobi says:

    So the based Ustashi Croats defeat the Islamic Republic of England in soccer.

    Same day President Trump meets the cutie-pie Croatian President while London flies the Trump-baby balloon.

    Trump curse strikes again. Get right with the God-Emperor, lest you face His justice.

    • LOL: slumber_j, TomSchmidt
    • Replies: @Logan
    , @Chuck
    , @Hail
  14. there was no way the English were gonna win as long as the cowardly English nation kept brave Tommy Robinson in jail. I love little England – it is my country in many ways – but I knew the poor losers could not win, because they cared so much but did not care enough to be brave and good.

    France might win but everybody knows that, this year of all years, it was not really a prize worth winning, Well I hope the winner enjoys winning, but, sad to say, this was the year when it was not a prize worth winning. Think about it.

    • Replies: @Chuck
    , @European-American
  15. Screwtape says:

    Peugeots in Paris are gonna burn either way.

    • Replies: @BB753
  16. I hope Croatia beats France good and hard.

  17. @MBlanc46

    Yeah, my French-Canadian ancestors, too. Last time the French met the Croatians they invented neckties. Let’s hope for a better result this time.

  18. anon[115] • Disclaimer says:

    How can you not root for Croatia, a third of the country is on the soccer team, the other two thirds are in the stands.

    I got exhausted just watching those guys run, they went after every opportunity, everywhere, from end to end, corner to corner, to the bitter end, leave no stone unturned. Talk about heart.

    Croatia all the way!

    • Agree: Simon in London
  19. World Cup? A golf tournament I presume.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  20. Kirt says:

    I’m for Croatia. They’re the underdog Cinderella team.

  21. I’m rooting for Croatia, but the French team is particularly fierce this year.

    Their homme base is in Nancy, I’m not even making that up.

  22. Dumbo says:

    I would have preferred Serbia for how they were treated in Kosovo, but Croatia still is better than this “France” (first African nation to reach a world cup final, as they say). It will be used for more globalist propaganda, so no, thanks.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  23. Dumbo says:

    Since 1954 the World Cup champ has been a fairly large country……Croatia (population 4.1 million, 1/16th of France’s 67 million) is the smallest finalist since little Uruguay

    And yet, France could not find 11 players that were actually French from out of a much larger pool, and Croatia could?

    Anyway, I don’t think size/population of the country is an issue in occasional wins, only in continued wins (it is much easier for larger countries to replenish their good players with other good players, while for smaller countries this gets harder as years pass. That’s why Uruguay had a good run for a little while but now, not so much).

    • Replies: @bored identity
    , @Ann
  24. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    This, Croatians are unusually good at soccer, surely the best in Europe and probably the world on an average/per capita basis.

  25. Mr. Anon says:

    OT: single, childless cat-lady in her 40s is writing a book to tell you that she is perfectly happy being a single, childless cat-lady. Really – she really is.

    I’m in My 40s, Child-Free and Happy. Why Won’t Anyone Believe Me?

  26. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Right, and France never had very strong native French players. Before Zidane, who was ethnically Algerian, the best French soccer player of all time was Michel Platini, who was of Italian descent.

    • Agree: BB753
  27. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    This Atlantic piece published today is sympathetic towards Croatia’s team and highlights its underdog status:

    There are nearly four times more undocumented immigrants in the United States than the total population of Croatia. If metropolitan Philadelphia decided to secede and start its own nation, it would have a far bigger population pool to draw from than the Croats. The World Cup is historically a cartel—owned by a small handful of populous industrial nations—that Croatia stands on the brink of cracking.

    Soccer, however, is at the core of its national narrative. It can be argued that the Balkan Wars of the 1990s, which culminated in the dissolution of Yugoslavia and the birth of independent Croatia, began at a soccer match. It took place in Zagreb, the capital of Croatia, in the spring of 1990. Thugs from the Serb club Red Star Belgrade rushed from their section of the stadium toward Croatian fans chanting, “Zagreb is Serbian.” A full-fledged riot ensued, with stabbings, shootings, and dozens of grave injuries. These casualties came in the shadow of Croatia’s first genuine elections in 50 years—and the riots helped propel Croatian separatists to victory. In other words, that game helped set in motion a chain of events that culminated in today’s game.

    One of the interesting themes of this tournament is how the Balkan Wars continue to ripple through time. Switzerland was a team filled with refugees from the region, Kosovars who celebrated their goals with nationalist gestures that earned them an official reprimand from FIFA.

    Luka Modric, the Tolkienesque wizard at the core of the Croatian midfield, was himself a refugee. Serbian militia burned down his family’s home, and murdered his grandfather and six of his relatives. His family was consigned to live in a hotel, where he played soccer in the parking lot. Or take Mario Mandzukic who scored today’s winning goal. As a child, he fled to Germany to wait out the war.

    There’s no reason to ascribe today’s victory to this experience. (Uruguay, another tiny country, manages to constantly succeed without a sense of historic mission or any need for national redemption.) But as a neutral, I find myself savoring Croatia’s unlikely, tenuous march through the tournament—how its success is like the story of a nation that managed to barely survive. Long before England managed to escape the curse of high expectations, these were a bunch of kids, fleeing grenades, without much reason to imagine their own success. That they have earned a place in the World Cup finals, despite their size and recent past, has the makings of one of the greatest stories in the history of the game.

    • Replies: @Simon in London
  28. Anonym says:

    I don’t know a lot about the Croats. But must… resist… urge… to post flag bearer memes.

  29. @Anon

    Nah, some of them were crying on the pitch, which shows how much they care. It could be because of the prestige factor, but I really think they regard themselves as English and felt they let their country down.

    All of them were english born and raised, many from solidly working class towns and backgrounds, and don’t seem to have much, if at all any, attachments to their non-english ancestry.

    What failed them especially was their key defensive midfielder (Henderson) unable to pass / dribble the ball out of a wet paper bag (compared to French star N’Golo Kante), and the fact that their some of their more forward players (e.g. Young, Lingard, Kane, Sterling, Rashford) usually have more speed than ball and positioning sense. It’s probably not a coincidence that a few of the aforementioned players are clearly mulatto. Sterling, especially, runs hard, but often makes poor decisions at the last moment when he has to decide to shoot, dribble, or pass in the penalty box, which is perhaps a flaw of such players.

    Then again, black / mulatto players from Brazil and France seem to be much better in this regard.

  30. OT: Papa John of Papa John’s has been ousted as chairman for exactly the same reason that the Blacks moved out of Larry David’s house, as I noted here:

    “Colonel Sanders called blacks ______s and never faced public backlash”. But attempting to retrieve that fact from the memory hole deserves public and private backlash.

  31. Karl says:
    @Mr. Anon

    40 Mr Anon > OT

    OT: yes, there ==is== a way to vote on how well-funded Jane Eisner’s pension should be

    Over at _the Forward_

    They’ve STOPPED just schneuring for donations, and have had to enforce a “2 free articles per month” rule. That is how desperate they are. Not to mention that it shows that their globohomo NYU-with-daddy’s-money readers arent willing to put their allowance-money where their chanting is.

    Now, just remember, Jane incurs additional unfunded-pension-risk, every time _Forward_ pays for another CPU cycle – e.g., validating your read-this-article request

    It’s ok to be white and right!

    Your own little personal BDS campaign, just like they love!

  32. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Does any French team other than Paris St. Germain have the budget to hire world class players?

  33. @NJ Transit Commuter

    That’ll be an incredible upset. The Croatians had just played 3 matches lasting 120 min each in the past 10 days. Their legs must be dead. Imagine running 2 or 3 marathons in the span of a week. That’s the equivalent physical and mental toil.

    And to beat France, they have to get through N’Golo Kante (perhaps the best player in the tournament) and the physical French defense, plus Deschamps’ highly conservative tactics. This was a guy derided as a ‘water carrier’ in his playing days.

    I’m most impressed with how Deschamps essentially stamped his style onto his players, overriding their usual African-ancestry predilections towards free-lancing and lack of structure. Essentially, the French team is an African team with a few non-African imports.

  34. @Anon

    If England want to win at the highest level they need to concentrate all their talent in a small super league that is tougher than other European domestic leagues. Tough domestic competition breeds tough international players. Soft domestic competition breeds soft players.

    In cricket there is a name for a talented but soft player. A flat track bully. English sport breeds a lot of flat track bullies.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  35. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Mr. Anon

    I didn’t see anything there about her having a cat. She does have nieces and nephews though, and is getting columns published in the NYT. I can believe she’s happy. Most single, childless women in their 40s probably aren’t, but there are exceptions.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  36. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Imagine a remake of Cheers but set in a Pizzeria Uno-style pizza place/bar. Papa John plays the Coach role, Peyton Manning is Sam, and Roseanne Barr is Carla.

  37. Goatweed says:

    Are the Croats East Hunter Gatherers, West Hunter Gathers, Anatolian Farmers, Iranian Farmers….?

    Now, how about their Y chromosomes?

    All Ancestry gave me was endless cousins, none of the above info.

    Isn/t Belichick a Croat?

    • Replies: @OFWHAP
  38. Mr. Anon says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    I didn’t see anything there about her having a cat.

    The cat is implied.

    She does have nieces and nephews though, and is getting columns published in the NYT. I can believe she’s happy.

    Her nieces and nephews won’t help her navigate medicare or visit her in the assisted living facility.

    Neither will the New York Times.

    Most single, childless women in their 40s probably aren’t, but there are exceptions.

    Yeah, that’s kinda the point. And why articles like this are so dishonest.

  39. Whitehall says:

    The randomness in soccer scores would be Poisson rather than Gaussian.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  40. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Their last two games have been great. I was rooting for the Russians in the quarterfinal, but I like how both teams play: aggressively, trying to score, not diving hoping for penalties, or relying solely on set pieces.

    I think if Russia had beaten Croatia, they would have beaten England too. Heads will explode if Croatia wins the whole tournament, but if Russia did, that would have been even crazier.

    I posted this tweet before, with video of Cheryshev’s great goal against Croatia last Saturday, but at the tweet. Let’s see if it works this time.

  41. Yngvar says:


    Study: Peaceful mice injected with blood products from violent criminals get very aggressive:

    Autoantibodies reactive to adrenocorticotropic hormone can alter cortisol secretion in both aggressive and nonaggressive humans.

  42. Svigor says:

    I hope Croatia crushes Team globhomoversity France.

    I’d be satisfied with a tie interrupted by the insurgent autochthonous White horde swarming onto the field and smuggling the Croats to safety in trenchcoats and fedoras before turning on its EU overlords.

  43. Anonymous[133] • Disclaimer says:

    What do the World Cup semi-finalists all have in common? Immigration

    Ed Aarons

    … It is noticeable that of the semi-finalists Croatia have the most players born outside the country they represent, with 15.4%. Calling on children of migrants, such as the Swiss-born Ivan Rakitic and Mateo Kovacic, who grew up in Austria, is vital for a country with a population of just over 4 million to compete against some of the biggest nations on the planet.

    Typical Swiss and Austrian names those, Rakitic and Kovacic.

    Nice spin there, Mr. Aarons.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  44. @istevefan

    bored identity believes that this is just another great opportunity for New and Old Swampy Englanders to blame it on the Orangutan from Queens:


    * Apparently, that blonde is the President of Croatia…

    • Replies: @tyrone
    , @bored identity
    , @Corn
  45. @Anon

    I don’t think England’s disjointed play can be attributed to the number of perceived non-English players. For example, Spain, Brazil, Germany, and many others also lacked much of a spark this World Cup, despite being overwhelmingly Spanish, Brazilian, and German, respectively. Indeed, the 2018 German side is much more German than the World Cup-winning German side of 2014, which was famously diverse by German standards.

    The difference you noticed is due to England having a long tradition of playing in a low-technical and low-strategy style, and Croatia having a long history of stylistic elegance, to a great extent modelled on the Italian game.

    The English are at a disadvantage because they invented the game. Whereas other countries could approach the sport from a fresh perspective, the English were bound by the social conventions and peculiar baggage and motivations that led them to invent the sport in the first place, and in terms of physicality, it always hovered between rugby and cricket. The English have traditionally considered football to be more similar physically and technically to rugby, and so fell behind when other countries realised that more technical approaches led to superior outcomes over the long run. Intangible cultural elements also enter play here – the typical English working-class father prefers his football-playing son to show grit and win a fair fight, rather than conform well to an abtract blueprint for sporting success. Writ large, this means a chaotic national team who are third-rate, at the international level, not much better than Iceland, and who were very lucky to get to the semis.

  46. France wins the world cup.

  47. @Anonymous

    The Croatian team has emigrants.

  48. szopen says:

    Naprijed Hrvatska! Everyone here in Poland seems to cheer them since our team have disgraced ourselves. I really hope the vatreni will win the championship. They have the will (players refusing to be substituted, because they wanted to win so much?! THat’s the spirit!) and the skill.

    At the end of the day, we all should sing Srce Vatreno (a catchy tune from 2006).

    • Agree: Anon 2
  49. @Anon

    That was my impression. Those Croat stormtroopers definitely wanted it more.

  50. @Anonymous

    The Altantic is part of the Jewish-led US establishment that supported Croatia against Serbian separatists in the Balkans Wars, and celebrated their Ustashe-style tactics, notably in Krajina. (Yes, I know Serbs did bad things too). It was very similar to current US support for Ukrainean nationalists v Russian separatists.
    Unsurprising the Atlantic would remember the old alliance.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  51. Anon 2 says:

    It’s interesting that the FIFA ranking system has failed completely going
    into the World Cup. The World Football Elo ratings turned out to be much
    more realistic

  52. glib says:

    All, I am from a soccer rabid country and I have followed the WC since 1970. Some items that people are not clear about in this thread:

    1) you can make world-class soccer teams out of small areas or groups. Holland, Lombardy, Catalonia, the northern Paris suburbs, Uruguay. Because there is a cohesion in great teams that allows the team to overcome hurdles. It manifests itself in the way they play through rough stretches, the way they cover for each other on defense, and in the way they play without the ball. I have played with guys I would never cut for, dictating the pass, because I did not trust or like them. Croatia is one such team. This is, incidentally, the type of soccer I like most, where you see the sheer battle of wills, hearts, and whatever mental lucidity is left at the end of such a marathon.

    2) please do not draw conclusions about England. They are very young and not ready. A team peaks when it is full of 27-30 years old, not yet declining, but mature. the WC remains something that true men win, because it is such a slog. But England has been winning U-19 championships, and they are about to see a wave of big talent coming of age. They will be back.

    3) Please do not draw conclusions about the 1966 England team. They bought three games, being exceeded in corruption only by Mussolini 1934 (actually probably the same corruption).

    4) do not draw conclusions when Croatia probably loses Sunday. Going through 3 overtime games, and surviving them, is unprecedented. They have been unlucky as the woodwork prevented them from winning in the first 90 twice. They will fight for a half, then the much fresher France will overpower them. their legs are gone. This has happened time and again in the WC, for example the 1970 ad 1982 finals.

    5) Yes, the Balkans have always been an extraordinary cradle of talent. In part, it is due to the many Roma talents the area has produced. I think the Croats are all slavs, though.

    6) finally, do not draw conclusions when France wins Sunday. In 2006, the champs were all white (although there was one settled gypsy, one mestizo, and a guy born in London). In 2010, all native Spaniards and Catalans. In 2014, 8 out of 11 german natives, with one Tunisian, one Turk, one from Ghana.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @Sean
  53. Kaz says:

    It’s an embarrassing statement. Sanders was born in 1890

  54. There is more at play here than mere soccer

    • Replies: @Anthony Wayne
  55. @Mr. Anon

    There is an actual cat festival this weekend in London, and an actual cat-lady writing in the Guardian about it

    Catfest, Oval Space, London, 14 July 2018,

    I have cats, but I understand where Edward Thomas was coming from.

    She had a name among the children;
    But no one loved though someone owned
    Her, locked her out of doors at bedtime
    And had her kittens duly drowned.

    In Spring, nevertheless, this cat
    Ate blackbirds, thrushes, nightingales,
    And birds of bright voice and plume and flight,
    As well as scraps from neighbours’ pails.

    I loathed and hated her for this;
    One speckle on a thrush’s breast
    Was worth a million such; and yet
    She lived long, till God gave her rest.

    Re Croatia and her population, there were only 4 million English in Elizabeth’s time, but they produced Shakespeare and Drake, Marlowe and Raleigh.

    (I think I’ll avoid Niccolo Salo’s twitter feed today)

  56. I hope we’ll win. Beside national element, this is basically Europe vs Africa.

  57. @Anthony Wayne

    Oh yeah they have some American blacks too— all stolen base specialists.

  58. Karl says:
    @Mr. Anon

    41 Mr Anon > Her nieces and nephews won’t help her navigate medicare or visit her in the assisted living facility

    next you’ll be claiming that Hugh Hefner couldn’t get any quality pussy when he was in his late 70′s because he didn’t LOOK like a Chad

  59. Cortes says:
    @The Wobbly Guy

    With the exceptions of Kane, Maguire, Stones and Rashford (who should have played the whole game) the English players are chicken hearted. Great when winning, they swanned around like the world title was theirs and as soon as Croatia equalised, they fell apart. Boys against the men of Croatia. And Kovacic of Real Madrid, an awesome player, didn’t play last night.
    France has truly magnificent players but I think they also have a brittle mentality. If Croatia were to get in front it could be interesting though France must be favourite.

    PS. Mbappe, the lightning quick French striker, is uncannily like Whoopi Goldberg. Check it out.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  60. @eah

    Anglos need to go back to having bad teeth?

  61. Tiny Duck says:

    France will DESTROY Croatia

    France is a diverse team with a majority of its players being People of Color

    Croatia had an easy draw and is basically offensively White

    This will be another example of his racism hurts countries and his Europe must embrace demographic change to survive

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  62. @Dumbo

    bored identity is surprised that Oops!..the Eye of Sauron Missed The Spot Called Croatia:


  63. @Anonymous

    One, Two, Three, and Four Unusually Good Reasons Why Wells Fargo is Not Profitable in Croatia On An Average/ Per Capita Basis.:

  64. LondonBob says:

    From a HDB perspective, like those French coaches caught on tape a few years back, I worry about the number of blacks in the youth system. Their faster maturation rate sees them predominate at young ages, what about the slight European late developers, do they get cast aside? Somewhere like Croatia they nurture every talent they have.

  65. LondonBob says:

    LOL only corrupt Latin Americans think England bought the World Cup in 66. Clearly the best team, and won fairly.

    • Replies: @glib
  66. @The Wobbly Guy

    I agree. This game has all the makings of a game like 1990 WG-Argentina, where one team (presumably France) plays an incredibly dull and conservative final.

    In the sport of wrestling, we have a penalty for when you crap like that, to slow down your opponent while making no effort of your own to score: it’s called “stalling.”

  67. @Johnny Smoggins

    …but all kinds of people in North America cheer for a football or basketball team that’s similarly African.

    That’s true. And is one reason why I don’t watch the NFL often. I’d much rather go on YouTube and watch a football game from the 1960s when the league was more demographically balanced.

    However, at least the vast majority of African-American football players actually have a long and established history in this country. They aren’t ideological imports of the 21st century.

  68. anon[124] • Disclaimer says:

    I just loved it how the U.S. commentators were practically salivating in the first half over Stale Pale Males of Croatia not being able to keep with the Vibrant Wingers of England. England was up 1-0 early, off a top-notch direct kick (again by a white defender, natch), and Harry Kane nearly scored another. Despite 10 of the 12 England goals in this WC having been scored by whites, the Narrative was being fulfilled, dammit!

    Then it turned out that the Croatian Persons of Pallor could and would keep up with those speedy Anglo-Saxons of Color. Croatians were tougher, smarter, and better technically and tactically, and showed more endurance despite playing in their third OT game in a row.

    Oh well, the megaphone media will have another shot at it on Sunday with Francophone Africans.

    • Replies: @James Braxton
  69. @The Wobbly Guy

    Then again, black / mulatto players from Brazil and France seem to be much better in this regard.


    Sorry, folks, but I think we all spend a bit too much time forgetting that sports like soccer and American football are really not rocket science.

  70. anon[124] • Disclaimer says:

    Croatians seem to be pretty good at many sports. Always competitive in basketball, I think they’re also decent in team handball (a cross between soccer and basketball), water polo, tennis.
    Tall, sturdy, athletic, and smart, a good combination for sports.

  71. Football (Soccer) should be banned in the USA as unworthy and unmanly. It is a sport that rewards rolling on the turf in mock agony as a means of calling attention to imaginary sleights, behavior which any Father, justifiably concerned about the masculinity of his son, would find disquieting.

    Soccer teaches our young men to behave as though there were some impartial arbiter in life to whom they can appeal in any conflict with another aggressive male intent upon thwarting them–and to do so in the girliest manner imaginable.

    With cultural role models like soccer players, it’s no wonder Europeans can’t muster the testosterone to contribute to their own defense in NATO. Young European males are being conditioned to believe that when conflict and crisis come–as they inevitably do–that the winning strategy is to play act their victimhood. It’s no wonder these people can’t mount an effective resistance to the invasion of their countries by aggressive Islamic males who have through experience found that the Euromale has lost the habit of fighting back.

    For men, soccer should be outlawed. For girls, it’s okay since it agrees with their histrionic nature.

    • Agree: EdwardM
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  72. anon[281] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    The French invest more and excel in a truly white sport – sailing – where they have crushed all single-handed sailing-around-the-world records. Now, that’s a sport that requires toughness, strength, endurance, planning, superb spatial and technical skills, and lots and lots of money!

    The French companies also dominate mass-market sailboat production, in addition to building awesome mega-million euro contraptions with sails that essentially fly above water.

  73. vinteuil says:

    I live for the day when some comedian with balls (can I say that?) makes his career by reprising George Carlin’s notorious 7-dirty-words routine, but substituting the forbidden words of our time.

    Since I live for that day, I’m not holding my breath.

    • Replies: @larry lurker
  74. tyrone says:
    @bored identity

    Oh if Trump would only wear that jersey when he steps off the plane in blighty I could die a happy man . Careful with those east european women old boy!

  75. Yngvar says:

    O.T. (sorry)

    A slobbering Bari Weiss interview with Jordan Peterson at the Aspen Ideas Festival, in an interview from 6.27.18. It lasts 1:32:02.

    Peterson is A-ok, as usual, but the slobbering…

  76. I came home tonight to find Trump pulling us out of NATO and Rosenstein trying to run out the clock before the mid-terms on Trump’s SCOTUS nomination, and iSteve is talking about soccer… [Sigh]

  77. Sean says:

    Big countries get the competition at home, a huge advantage. Uruguay did not win a knock out competition, and was playing in south America. Croatians have an advantage with the location, but France has had a massive rest, and it has the star players plus black players (who are more powerful) so they must be overwhelming favourites. I think the location is underrated though./

  78. Sean says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Glasgow Celtic’s historic triumph in the European Cup,

    …”Several of the boys wore false teeth, and our keeper, Ronnie Simpson, used to keep them in his bunnet [cap] and leave them in the back of the net. We were back in the dressing-room with the cup when Bobby Lennox suddenly said: ‘Where’s the teeth?’

    All Glasgow team. At the time dentures were a common present for a 16 year old Glasgow girl on her birthday.

  79. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Yeah, this story went from the shop window to the scratch & dent discount bin in one day. When they found out it was Laquisha Jones, not Haven Monahan, they lost interest.

  80. slumber_j says:

    Basketball and tennis come to mind too… So the Croats are unusually good at sports generally. Why is that?

  81. George says:

    “A Croatian team full of Croats”.

    They are winning because they are Catholics.

  82. Sean says:

    England will never again get as easy a run of matches to the final. Apart from the nanobot ‘flies’

  83. Logan says:

    Little long in the tooth for true cutie-pie status, but was probably fully qualified 20 years ago.

  84. Sean says:

    Tallest tennis player and tallest player at the World Cup. Yamnaya ancestry for height and aggressiveness (they brutally intimidated England), and German culture for work discipline exemplified by substance over style midfield maestro Luca Modric.

  85. @Dave Pinsen

    AFAIK the problem for the French teams is the rate of tax footballers pay in France, so if they want to match the after tax salary a top player would get at other clubs it costs them far more, thats why the best French players move to England, Italy, Spain ect

    This actually helps French football since its easier for local players to make the first team at a young age

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  86. “They got themselves punched by French supporters for bringing out the Algerian flag during the victory of the French team”.

  87. Sean says:

    Bobby Moore was not like that. And he did not spit on opposing players like those Uruguayan animals.

  88. Q: What’s the frequency Kenneth?
    A: Whatever station is pumping out tikkun olam, baby!


    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
  89. bomag says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    he sees himself and his ancestors

    Taking sports as synonymous with battle, weren’t most armies throughout history mercenary?

    As I understand it, the Napoleonic era ushered in the “nation as army” mentality, though there were smatterings of it in the past; e.g. Sparta.

  90. anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    The ancestors of those football and basketball players arrived in this country well over two-hundred years ago.

  91. @Dave Pinsen

    I think, though, that many of these national teams are composed of pros who play in other European leagues. Before the NHL put the kibosh on allowing their players to play in the Winter Olympics, Alex Ovechkin, Evgenyi Malkin etal (Washington Caps, Pitt Penguins) played for the Russian national team.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  92. RCB says:

    Evidence to the contrary abounds. Have you looked at the French team? What’s your theory there?

  93. RCB says:

    This is immediately contradicted by a glance at the French team. Stop being stupid.

    • Replies: @eah
  94. BB753 says:

    I wonder if they’ll riot harder if the French side loses.

  95. @bored identity

    bored identity believes that this is just another great opportunity for New and Old Swampy Englanders to blame it on the Orangutan from Queens:

    Apparently, that blonde is the President of Croatia…

  96. BB753 says:

    The Croats are the tallest Europeans right behind the Dutch, along wth the Serbs and Montenegrins (Montenegroes?). But they are all built like linebackers, unlike the Dutch who tend to be lanky and unathletic.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  97. sb says:

    Well the Australian team is usually pretty much a Croatian B team -players of Croatian descent have long dominated the national team ( interesting that contemporary Australian soccer owes so much more to Croatia than England when England has always been by far the larger source of migrants ) They are also very visible in other sports -including native sports – out of all proportion to their community’s numbers

    Nothing wrong with Croats – white ,often fair ,blue eyed , alcohol drinking , meat eating , Christian or should that be Catholic, generally politically right wing and very anti Marxist , very athletic and sporty ,traditional family minded . Did I mention attractive ?

    They have often had a bad time PR wise vis a vis the Serbians because they happened to be on the Other Side in both world wars but really they were first and foremost anti Russian/Soviet -a sensible choice given their geographical position

    • Replies: @Jack D
  98. @The preferred nomenclature is...

    World Cup? A golf tournament I presume.

    I thought it was sailing. I keep looking for Dennis Conner.

    Since I don’t live in the Third World, soccer has no appeal to me.

    • Disagree: Josep
  99. AndrewR says:

    I read about it on CNN two or three days ago and they didn’t mention anything about the assailant’s race.

  100. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Anglos need to go back to having bad teeth?

    That looked like a case of rugby-mouth.

  101. Screwtape says:

    Not just Croats, the entirety of the Fmr Yugo. I’d toss in Russians as well but certainly on a per-capita basis the Croats and Serbs outperform.

    I’ve some experience competing with and against Croats and Serbs.

    Its not just the talent. To grossly generalize my experience, they have a certain kind of brutality that when coupled with honed talent is an extremely formidable.

    Basketball, waterpolo, handball, and fighting. Some obscure sports, sure, but sports that draw olympic level competition.

    In college I played with both Croats and Serbs. This was leading up to and then during the war.

    Perhaps that influenced things. But when you look at the history of their people you start to appreciate why they kust might be prone to success in physical competition.

    Their homeland has been the literal crossroads of war and conflict for thousands of years.

    Hard people. Very tribal. Very proud. Prone to discipline and hard work that stands out around those who come from “softer” environs.

    All things that make for those otherwise “intangibles” that teams in these national type competitions struggle to cultivate.

    If a college team got two or three of these guys on the same team, it pretty much locked in a top 10 level of play.

    To this day I kind of get chills thinking about going up agaist them. In the back of my mind there ways always the small but distinct knowledge that things could get ugly at any moment; a kind of barbaric undercurrent.

    Yet I also think warmly them. Once you bond over conflict, they are your friends for life.

    I especially think of my goalie, a 19 y/o remarkable talent who would have made the roster on his national team but instead left California to go fight in the war.

    He’s the only reason Ive ever come close to joining facebook. Not sure how he faired but never saw his name come up in competition again. Tragic.

    Thats how I see the balkans: beauty flowing from the fissures of tradgedy. Go Croatia!

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
  102. @unpc downunder

    “If England want to win at the highest level they need to concentrate all their talent in a small super league that is tougher than other European domestic leagues.”

    The English Premier League is probably the toughest league in the world, with the best players apart from a few superclubs like Real, Bayern and Barca. The trouble is that it’s full of foreign players – half of Croatia’s World Cup side have played there or play there now. Ronaldo did six years at Man U, Suarez was at Anfield, Sigurdsson of Iceland at Swansea and Everton. Most of the Belgian squad are there.

    It’s hard for English players to break into the Premier League when its full of imports.

  103. Marcus says:

    Seems that if they could somehow put their differences aside (lol) a united Yugoslavia would be an Olympic powerhouse, they’re great at tennis, basketball, futbol, etc. Off the top of my head, George Mikan, Pete Maravich, Toni Kukoc, Vlade Divacs were all of Yugoslav descent.

  104. Truth says:

    Making it to the semifinals is “losing?”

  105. Truth says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Now, Grasshopper, you are (allegedly) married with children, yet I have been reading your posts for 10 years now. One question: would you describe yourself as “happy?”

    • Replies: @anonymous
  106. Matra says:

    According to the French Football Association (FFF) their best player ever was Juste Fontaine, who scored 13 goals at the 1958 World Cup – still a record to this day. Fontaine was born in French Morocco to mixed French and Spanish parents.

    At the time of the 1958 World Cup Fontaine was seen as the player of the tournament. Yet decades later, after the Pele legend grew, the Brazilian was somehow chosen as the best player of the 1958 WC.

  107. Truth says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Yeah, that’s kinda the point. And why articles like this are so dishonest.

    She didn’t write an article stating that most childless women in their 40′s were happy, she wrote one stating that she was.

  108. A1 says:

    In my opinion this is more about the sports bodies as the coaches and players come and go. Add in a bit of corruption what you see is what you get.

    Small countries have won the Euro so country size is not the defining determinant. The VAR will help as this tournament has been well refereed by and large. Some minor calls missed but no game altering poor calls and the VAR helps with the diving.

    For example the two Spanish defenders Ramos and Pique defend corners by falling down which works for Real and FCB at home where they get the penalty. Spain needed to find a big defender from a lower team for set pieces but that means leaving either Ramos or Pique on the bench and that means either Real or FCB goes ballistic.

    Brazil with Neymar has become England with Rooney. Same with Argentina and Messi. Spain in 2014 was sunk by pathetic goal tending from a has been who should not have made the team , just as England insisted on playing Joe Hart.

    Small countries might not have the talent pool but they also don’t have the internal pressures on the sports bodies.

  109. Tenbolk says:

    All the articles about the influence of immigration on the French national team are completely missing the point. This French team is probably the most white French team in the last 15 years. From the starting eleven, there are five white, four black, and two mixed-race players. There are also good ethnic French players, like Rabiot, Laporte and Lenglet, who were left out of the 23-man squad.

    There seems to be a kind of bias againt white players in the youth academies who are not playing physically. The star of the current team, Griezmann, left as a teenager for Spain (Real Sociedad, San Sebastian), because in the youth ranks the coaches always told him he was too small. Pavard, who scored a great goal against Argentina, also left France because a lack of chances. Pavard is more of a technical playing defender, who currently plays for VfB Stuttgart in Germany.

    • Replies: @DFH
  110. Truth says:
    @Englishman Abroad

    I don’t think England’s disjointed play can be attributed to the number of perceived non-English players


    If that were the case, one would have to surmise that they have had blacks on the pitch since 1966.

  111. Jack D says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Isn’t it better for the rest of us that her line is erased? I really don’t care whether she is happy or not – I am only concerned upon her impact on the greater society.

  112. Marcus says:

    I think they’re the tallest Europeans other than maybe Balts

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @BB753
  113. @Anonymous

    Frank Ribery was an outstanding player, native Frenchman. Go Croatia, win one for your hot President.

    • Replies: @Fredrik
  114. Corn says:
    @bored identity

    I saw another photo last year where she was giving DT the goo-goo eyes. President Cutie-Pie wants a piece of the Donald.

  115. It’s all over for England, may Dan Martin seize the day.

  116. Mr. Anon says:

    OT – 63 year old unsolved murder case about to break wide open:

    Feds reopen investigation into Emmett Till slaying

  117. Jack D says:

    They have often had a bad time PR wise vis a vis the Serbians because they happened to be on the Other Side in both world wars

    Yes, it’s just like baseball – they preferred the Red Sox to the Yankees. Just a coincidence. No moral judgment should be attached to their fondness for Hitler, Himmler and genocide. A bad PR rap, that’s all.

    Anyway, that was a long time ago. Croatians today would never be involved in war crimes:

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Russ
    , @HA
    , @bomag
  118. mobi says:

    An interesting thing to keep in mind about soccer is that although individual games seems fairly random due to low sample sizes of scoring, no non-major soccer power has won in a very long time.

    Soccer is officially, scientifically, the most exciting of all sports for that very reason, don’t you know!

    …when it comes to which is the most exciting sport to follow, soccer takes the gold medal.

    Eli Ben-Naim, Sidney Redner and Federico Vazquez at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico decided to look at unpredictability of results – how often a team with a worse record overcomes an apparently superior one – as the best measure of how exciting a league is. “If there are no upsets, then every game is predictable and hence boring,” says Ben-Naim.

    The team analysed results from more than 300,000 games over the last century from the US’s national hockey, football, baseball and basketball leagues and the top English football league…

    Their results showed that the “upset frequency” was highest for soccer, followed by baseball, hockey, basketball and finally American football. But when they looked only at data from the past 10 years, the English football Premiership and baseball swapped places, which suggests that soccer might have become more predictable in recent years.

  119. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Mr. Anon

    The cat’s not implied. She writes about being free to travel at whim – pets are an impediment to that.

    I don’t know what her nephews and nieces will do when she’s old, but children don’t always look after their elderly parents either. A friend of my parents just passed away, after a spell in a nursing home. His son wanted his plug pulled (his wife overruled him) and was ungracious at his funeral.

    The column isn’t dishonest if it describes her situation accurately. People who get columns published in the NYT generally aren’t average.

  120. @Englishman Abroad

    This is a fine analysis, but I would add something that is not strictly technical or empirical re sport/football: you (England) have had let in too many too different aliens & this eats nation’s soul out. In this respect, France is even worse.

    Even Brexit turned out to be ambiguous: it is good; not just good, but great, to dismiss eurocrats, but it, at least in public discourse, boils down to freely bashing Poles & averting eyes from Pakistanis’ pathologies (Rotherham, Telford). Not to mention other non-Europeans’, Commonwealth-type cultural “enrichment”….

    • Replies: @Englishman Abroad
  121. Chuck says:

    They still need to take on the Dark Continent to win the title.

  122. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Englishman Abroad

    Right, England was in a weak group and faced weak teams in the knockout stage. It had the easiest path to the semis of all the teams. It was indeed fairly lucky to get to the semis.

    After a solid first half in the Croatia game, England resorted to traditional England style soccer in the second half, trying to boot it up the field with long balls towards the box and bad technical play.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  123. A world history first I’d assume: Italian FIAT-workers want to go on strike against Brasilian soccer-star Ronaldo being imported to Italy:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Reg Cæsar
  124. DFH says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Not long ago, a friend described my book to a group of women in their 50s and 60s. They started laughing, she told me. She asked what was so funny. “It’s just that your friend will change her mind about kids at about age 48,” they said. “And then there will be a scramble, and a sperm bank, and a tank will arrive in her living room. She’ll change her mind, that’s so clear.”

    age 48

  125. Chuck says:
    @middle aged vet . . . .

    France also deserves to lose due to their criminalization of holocaust denial. Croatia as far as I know does not criminalize wrongthink.

    • Replies: @middle aged vet ...
  126. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:

    The irony is that England lost because in the second half it reverted to playing the traditional English style of poor technical play and poor passing and reliance on long balls and chaotically booting it up the field and trying to win aerial battles. There’s a reason most of England’s goals throughout the World Cup came from set pieces. The English style is obsolete and at a disadvantage against the more technical European styles.

  127. Svigor says:
    @Jack D

    Nazis are preferable to Communists.

    • Replies: @Marty T
  128. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief

    That’s Portuguese soccer player Cristiano Ronaldo.

  129. has become a daily go to since Ron has decided to post and put his erstwhile “stars” to shame.

    It must be quite a thing to be paid to have carte blanche and yet regurgitate the same old tired shit for the readership.

    Personally, I think Ron deserve’s better.

  130. @WowJustWow

    He should have said. “It was a private conversation, I did not call anyone anything, and if you don’t like it, go eat Dominos!”

    This s**t will not stop until White People man up and tell the self appointed morality police to go f**k themselves.

  131. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:

    That’s not a picture of England’s side this World Cup. England’s side had 6 white players.

    • Replies: @eah
    , @Henry's Cat
    , @Hail
  132. Russ says:
    @Jack D

    Croatians loathed Marxists and Bolsheviks? That and an unmentionable reason is yet more cause to like ‘em!

    • Replies: @Jack D
  133. @Whitehall

    The randomness in soccer scores would be Poisson rather than Gaussian.

    That sounds kinda fishy.

  134. @Dieter Kief

    A world history first I’d assume: Italian FIAT-workers want to go on strike against Brasilian soccer-star Ronaldo being imported to Italy:

    Ronaldo is Madeiran, not Brazilian. His people invented the ukulele.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  135. OFWHAP says:

    Both Bill Belichick and Nick Saban are Croats.

  136. @The Wobbly Guy

    ” Essentially, the French team is an African team with a few non-African imports.”

    You’re exactly right; regardless of outcome on Sunday, they don’t represent France.

  137. Fredrik says:
    @It's All Ball Bearings

    Ribery converted to islam so I’d be willing to forget him.

  138. @Anatoly Karlin

    go back to

    I was the under the impression they’re not quite there yet.

  139. Marcus D. says:

    Well, the famous rotten teeth were there. Yeah, Britain was more traditional at the time. LOL

  140. DFH says:

    There seems to be a kind of bias againt white players in the youth academies who are not playing physically.

    Is this because blacks mature earlier than whites?

    • Replies: @Tenbolk
  141. Anonymous[138] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    While it’s true that an unmarried, childless woman CAN have a happy and fulfilling life, such women typically don’t. Those who do are either nuns or have some sort of glamorous and/or lucrative job. I’m sure Ann Coulter is content. But most unmarried, childless women don’t have jobs that give their lives meaning (such as nuns) and don’t have jobs that are very lucrative and fun (such as being a pundit).

    The problem I have with any op-ed like that is that it takes an exception and presents it as a norm. Unmarried, childless middle age women typically aren’t happy. And it is precisely because they are unmarried, childless, barren, and unattractive.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  142. Anonymous[138] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    While it’s true that an unmarried, childless woman CAN have a happy and fulfilling life, such women typically don’t. Those who do are either nuns or have some sort of glamorous and/or lucrative job. I’m sure Ann Coulter is content. But most unmarried, childless women don’t have jobs that give their lives meaning (such as nuns) and don’t have jobs that are very lucrative and fun (such as being a pundit).

    The problem I have with any op-ed like that is that it takes an exception and presents it as a norm. Unmarried, childless middle age women typically aren’t happy. And it is precisely because they are unmarried, childless, barren, and unattractive.

  143. AnonAnon says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Her nieces and nephews won’t help her navigate medicare or visit her in the assisted living facility.

    THIS. This is a primary reason you have children but people have forgotten that. I’m sure the author is happy she is single and carefree (and honestly, when people feel the need to publicly proclaim anything you know the opposite is true, whether it’s how much they they love their spouse or how awesome it is being childless) but once her health starts to decline she might question her choices but it’ll be too late. We’re going through this with my mid-80s parents right now. My siblings spent last month exhausting their family leave by pretty much forcing a (long-overdue) move to assisted living closer to one of us (which they are still protesting), and now I am on deck to help ease the transition. Lesson learned and passed down to my kids – have a few kids because when the SHTF with ailing parents you’ll need all the help you can get.

    Hopefully she has a pile of money in the bank to motivate her nieces and nephews to help her out when she gets older. I have a friend who went to court to take conservatorship of her ailing bachelor uncle but there was serious money in the family.

  144. @Pat Hannagan

    “of course”…..”I don’t care”. I am loving that Polish guy and am ready to visit his country

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
  145. eah says:

    Stop being stupid.

    Speaking of which: the “French team” isn’t very “French”, is it? — as anyone can see at a “glance”.

    It’s just a meme you moron — as such it’s making a political point — it’s not intended to convey an inarguable truth.

  146. eah says:

    The foto is obviously cropped to make a political point — there are enough (a subjective criterion obviously) non-English men on the “English” team to justify the meme — 4 of the 11 starters vs Croatia were black — of the 12 substitutes half were black — so by my reckoning 10 of the 23 “English” players are not really “English”.

  147. @Anonymous

    Might’ve been the Belgium group game when both sides rested some of their first team players.

  148. Jack D says:

    Croatians loathed Marxists and Bolsheviks but they murdered Jews and Serbians. Maybe they got mixed up. It’s an understandable mistake – a lot of the folks around here can’t tell Jews and Communists apart either.

    Here’s a handy guide:



  149. M_Young says:

    On youtube the Serbs are gradulating the Croats and the Croats in turn are rooting for Novak.

  150. Art Deco says:

    I would have preferred Serbia for how they were treated in Kosovo, b

    Which ‘they’? Serbs were and are a single-digit minority in Kosovo.

  151. OFF TOPIC

    Can EU Bureaucrat Jean-Claude Juncker Get Any Drunker?

  152. istevefan says:
    @Simon in London

    Yeah, I noticed that too. Rather than celebrate Croatia they took an opportunity to trash Serbs.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  153. @Jack D

    Croatians loathed Marxists and Bolsheviks but they murdered Jews and Serbians.

    Clueless. So, a c/p:

    Now, being a Croat I may be accused/excused of partiality, but some things have to be mentioned because pro-Serbian & Yugoslav propaganda has been reiterating a few myths for decades.

    * during 1918-1939 period, Yugoslavia was basically Greater Serbia, with all nations-except Slovenes- oppressed. Close to 400 Croats & ca. 2000 Muslims had been killed by Serbian paramilitaries & government forces during “peaceful” period in 1920s & 1930s. The turning point was assassination of Croatian leader Stjepan Radić, a sort of Croatian Gandhi, by a Serb nationalist in Yugoslav parliament in 1928. This convinced some Croats that any Yugoslavia was insufferable, and the most influential among them was future Poglavnik/”Leader” Ante Pavelić to emigrate & found a revolutionary terrorist organization ustaše (ca. 200-300 people).

    * after the collapse of Yugoslavia in the April war 1941, situation in Croatia & Bosnia and Herzegovina was something like a vacuum. No Croatian politician wanted to become the head of state patronized by Nazi German authorities, but at the same time there was a sense of jubilation: we got independent (in theory) country, after decades of Serbian oppression. In this vacuum, Pavelić was installed by Hitler and Mussolini as a kind of puppet. In this country, ca. 50-60% were Croats & more than 30% were Serbs (the rest were Bosnian Muslims, considered to be Croats).

    * Pavelić assumed power on April the 10th 1941. But even a week before that, Serb paramilitaries had started killing Croats & some 200-400 people were killed in the interregnum. After he was installed, Pavelić actually dissolved parliament & established a dictatorship; Croatia was crippled & many vital areas, especially in Dalmatia, were given to Mussolini’s Italy. Also, he introduced racial laws & started to persecute Serbs- both as a revenge for their participation in royal Yugoslavia period & their atrocities during interregnum. In next few months perhaps 4-8,000 Serbs were killed by ustaše in various areas of NDH/Independent State of Croatia.

    Basically, it was a terrorist regime & most Croats disapproved of it, but were expecting to get rid of ustaše in some future & retain statehood under democratic circumstances. So, we wanted a truly independent country.

    * Serbs, being persecuted (along with Jews & Gypsies) rebelled on a massive scale in the last quarter of 1941 & many areas of NDH had become virtually defunct. This resulted in further Pavelić’s dependence to Hitler. On the other hand, communist partisans, led by a Croat, J.Broz Tito, after their defeat in Serbia fled with remnants of their “army” to the NDH territory. There, they found refuge among Serbs, while many of them defected to royalist Četniks led by Serbian colonel Mihailović. Četniks had killed, during 1941, ca. 12-15.000 Muslim & Croat civilians, mostly in the eastern Bosnia regions.

    From 1941-1945 there was a civil war in all of Yugoslavia, with various factions fighting for different aims. In Croatia, more Croats had been coming to partisans, especially after 1943 (fall of Italy) & thus partisans became a respectable force. For instance, Croatia had 5 partisan corpses (4 of them with clear Croatian majority), while Slovenia had 2, Bosnia & Herzegovina 2, Serbia proper 2 etc.

    * in may 1945, war was over & partisans had won. But, in 2- 6 weeks after the end of war, they committed mass atrocities, killing ca. 80,000 Croatian soldiers & civilians, perhaps 10,000 Serbian Četniks & up to 4,000 Slovenian white guards.

    Modern unbiased historical investigations have dispelled many myths, especially those re number of victims in Yugoslavia & NDH in particular. In sum, in all of Yugoslavia, ca. 500,000 Serbs had died unnatural deaths & this included some 300,000 Serbs in NDH. Of these, perhaps over 100,000 had been killed by ustaše, while others died of typhoid, were killed by Germans, Četniks etc. Among Croats, ca. 200,000 died of unnatural causes, virtually all of them in NDH on various sides.

    That would be a brief survey.

    As for Jews, they’ve been cleansed from most of Yugoslavia, Belgrade being the first “Judenrein” city in Europe; Pavelić’s regime killed perhaps 70-80% of them in NDH, close to 50% by its own forces & the rest had been handed over to Hitler.

    This is a long post, but actually a very short survey. Couldn’t have been shorter.

    • Replies: @Englishman Abroad
  154. Pepe says:

    I don’t think this is from The Onion.

    World Cup: Broadcasters Told to Stop Zooming in on ‘Hot Women’ During Games

    International broadcasters have been ordered to stop focusing on “hot women” fans celebrating at World Cup matches.

    In a bid to tackle sexism at the 2018 World Cup, soccer governing body FIFA has called on television broadcasters to avoid cutting away to attractive women celebrating in the stands of games.

    “We’ve done it with individual broadcasters. We’ve done it with our host broadcast services,” said FIFA diversity chief Federico Addiechi. He added that FIFA was not yet being “proactive” about the policy but would “take action against things that are wrong.”

    The “hot female fan” trope is widespread in coverage of the World Cup. During Russia 2018, photo agency Getty Images came under fire after it published a photo gallery of “the hottest fans at the World Cup.” Getty later took down the gallery, calling it a “regrettable error in judgement” and said an internal investigation would be made.

    FIFA’s move comes amid widespread reports of sexism at this year’s tournament, including several incidents of female World Cup reporters being harassed online, and in public, with many being grabbed and kissed while on air.

  155. gunner29 says:

    If they removed the center 75 yards of the field, maybe, i would watch. They run back and forth over the center line and every 5 minutes they get the ball near the goal. Then the goalie kicks it 100+ yards and they start the back and forth nonsense.

  156. @istevefan

    “If France wins, it will be due to multiculturalism and will be proof that the immivasion was worth it. “

    I believe the term for that is “Cheddar manning”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  157. OFF TOPIC

    Hillary Clinton In Her Chappaqua Bunker Is The Only One Drunker Than Jean-Claude Juncker

    Kill The EU Now!

  158. Tenbolk says:

    That’s part of the explanation, but the emphasis in the French youth academies has been on speed and strength. In Germany and Spain for example, the individual technical abilities of young players are emphasized.

  159. The problem with Croatia is————-that it’s full of Croatians.

  160. Anonymous[532] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    IIRC, the ‘fascist’ leaders of wartime Croatia all had Jewish wives.

    There was something strange going on in that little country…

    • Replies: @Anon
  161. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:

    What did you “notice”? The article mentions Serbia twice, once to mention a famous soccer riot involving Serbians around the time of Croatian independence, and once while discussing the background of Croatia’s star player, whose family home was destroyed and several of whose relatives were killed by Serbian militia. How does this qualify as “trashing Serbs”? Are you not supposed to ever mention a famous soccer riot or the harrowing life story of a star player just because it involved Serbs?

  162. @Buck Turgidson

    If only Polish weren’t such an impossible language I’d consider emigration.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Josep
  163. @Johnny Smoggins

    I believe the term for that is “Cheddar manning”

    Did Bradley/Chelsea change her name again?

    Who’s next, Peyton Jenner?

  164. Art Deco says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    I don’t know what her nephews and nieces will do when she’s old, but children don’t always look after their elderly parents either. A friend of my parents just passed away, after a spell in a nursing home. His son wanted his plug pulled (his wife overruled him) and was ungracious at his funeral.

    Having been through the business, your deep bench can be a remarkably thin bench when the time comes, and there are a number of vectors at work aside from filial callousness. One is that some of the children have hit the skids and are useless (seen that 2x), another is distrust of a competent child (seen that 2x, one time with some reason, one not), another is an unwillingness to compromise (needing attention requiring co-operative behavior but continually insisting on your way). Also, a signature of Alzheimer’s is that the demented person is unaware of their impairments. Makes moving the ball forward difficult.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  165. @Diversity Heretic

    If only Polish weren’t such an impossible language I’d consider emigration.

    What’s so hard about

    Przepraszam. Chciałbym coś przełknąć
    ? Or
    Chcę jeść o dziewiątej.

    And this is easy:

    Polska wygra kolejny Puchar Świata.
    Chorwaci pokazują, że jest to możliwe.

    • Agree: Peter Akuleyev
  166. @Anon 2

    It is only natural that we Westerners support our European Catholic brethren rather than Orthodox Christians who were either Turkish slaves (Serbians) or semi-Tatars (Russian). The idea that any conservative would support Asiatics over European White is kind of ridiculous.

  167. while in usa the leftist media try to portrait everyone as a russian spy, the international left is very pro-russia (maybe they’re doing the “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”) and they hate croatia. they’ll proclaim they to be nazis. especially since their defender did a pro-ukraine video

  168. @Art Deco

    Also, a signature of Alzheimer’s is that the demented person is unaware of their impairments. Makes moving the ball forward difficult.

    As only Faryd Mondragon (43 in 2014) and Essem el-Hadary (45 in 2018) have appeared in the World Cup at an age Elvis didn’t see, I really doubt Alzheimer’s has ever been a factor in the tournament.

    But Derb maintains soccer is a constant source of concussion, so early-onset dementia might very well come into play.

  169. @Anonymous

    I’m sure Ann Coulter is content.

    She is quite obviously miserable. Content women usually don’t care about politics.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  170. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    There really hasn’t been much of that in the knockout rounds. I think we have Neymar to thank for that. He was embarrassing the sport, and in Brazil’s last game, the ref waived him off.

    The refs have mostly let play continue, and the Russians, Belgians, and Croatians have mostly run through contact trying to score rather than trying to dive and draw fouls.

  171. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Prester John

    They’re all pros, but a lot of national teams are stocked mainly with local pros (e.g., Russian players in Russia’s pro league). Croatians have a lot of pros in the top European leagues like England’s Premier League, Italy’s Serie A, Spain’s La Liga, etc.

  172. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    The captain of the Croatian team, Luka Modrić, is 5’8” per Wikipedia, but I’d be surprised if he’s taller than 5’6”. One of the cool things about soccer is the diversity of heights of the players.

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @Canadian Observer
  173. @Anon 2

    The World Football Elo ratings turned out to be much
    more realistic

    Maybe, but in June, the US (tied for #24) ranked just ahead of South Korea (26), quite a bit above Costa Rica (37), Iceland (43), Japan (45), and way beyond Panama (61). Yet we stayed home.

    2022 should be great fun, with #85 Qatar qualifying automatically as the host. But they’ll have home-heat advantage, so maybe they’ll hold Brazil under 20 goals.

    • Replies: @Carbon blob
  174. @Reg Cæsar

    I knew a week before – the world, almost, because a little Italian boy, whose father works for “the MILANO” soccer team told my wife about Renaldo’s plans. She was amused at first, and then quite exited when she found out, that the little soccer-fan was actually right. So – Madeira is what? – Halfways between Portugal and Brasil – that’s not bad (as long as nobody tells my wife… (she loves soccer – and Renaldo….)).

  175. @Mr. Anon

    OT: single, childless cat-lady in her 40s is writing a book to tell you that she is perfectly happy being a single, childless cat-lady. Really – she really is.

    To paraphrase Mencken, the cure for the evils of cats is more cats.

  176. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Ah, here it is TinyDick predicting something! Since he is invariably wrong, we know with high probability that Croatia will win it all. How high? Well, probably around 75%.

  177. LondonBob says:

    France have only played Belgium, Croatia only England. Easy routes to the final. Not getting knocked out by an underdog is an important attribute in tournament football.

  178. @Anon 2

    Oh, and China and Canada are tied at #72. China has 38 times the population.

    India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, and all the countries of Indochina don’t appear at all. With China, that’s four billion people.

    So much for the “world’s” sport!

    • Replies: @sb
  179. @Peter Akuleyev

    She is quite obviously miserable. Content women usually don’t care about politics.

    Tennessee woman Marsha Blackburn will be content when she is sworn in as US Senator in 2019.

  180. @eah

    Good meme. The fact that the Croats all look like they could be cousins if not brothers really drives the point home.

  181. @Bardon Kaldian

    I cordially concur with your first paragraph; my previous comment was intended to refute the specific point the anon had made, rather than advance a broader argument about the benefits of diversity/multiculturalism/whatever, which I consider to be a near unalloyed evil. Certainly, England as an agreee-upon and therefore useful concept has been cast into the mire.

    I’m fairly sure I agree with the sentiment of the second paragraph, but it’d require more time and space than is decently granted to me here to go more into it.

    By the way, I always enjoyed your comments at Taki’s, before that merry throng went the way of all flesh.

  182. I had to break my rule & do the most grating & disgusting deed this World Cup – Watch our (((state-sponsored))) feminist-loxist propaganda machine BBSUNTS (biased Bolshevik see you next Tuesdays).

    Surely they couldn’t push their Poz on a sports match?
    How wrong I was!!!

    H-T Eng-Swe an advert (licence fee is SUPPOSED to stop them) that promotes the sort of perkinsism of bucket ball sports.

    One ‘pundit’ was the SUNT’s perfect twofer – black & bucketballer pontificating to high level athletes, despite coming from a niche pastime for fugs who get beaten 7-0 by kids!!!

    Then a massive manjaw in profile entered the screen. Politicizing & beating White men the way a skittle does a Rotherham honkey. The nation sympathizes with you, KLO!!!

    Da countryside b all bout da coudenhove kalergi. Hence the main presenters being Bradfordistan kebabess & world’s only welsh speaking google.

  183. @Bardon Kaldian

    Thanks Bardon! I live in the former Yugoslavia, and it can be hard extracting a reasonable opinion from anyone within hundreds of miles in all directions.

  184. BB753 says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Being short is actually an advantage for dribbling, as your gravity center lies closer to the ground, particularly if you’re of stocky build (see Maradona in his youth).

  185. BB753 says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Perhaps Marseilles. “L’o em”, as they say. (Olympique de Marseilles)

    • Replies: @Matra
  186. BB753 says:

    Balts are stronger but Croats and Serbs are taller. In my personal experience the average Croat/Serb is 6’1 and built like a brick outhouse. A tough people made tougher by nearly a century of civil wars and very outdoorsy.
    Although I’m Catholic, I tend to get along better with Serbs and Montenegrins because they are more spontaneous and outgoing, a lot like Romanians.

  187. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @(((They))) Live

    That’s an interesting point.

  188. @anon

    Trippier is black.

    • Replies: @anon
  189. @Reg Cæsar

    The 2022 World Cup is scheduled for November/December, although I suspect there’s still some chance that some combination of Qatar not having all their stadia and infrastructure ready/top pro leagues refusing to send their players/other general politics will force FIFA to relocate the tournament.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
  190. @Johnny Smoggins

    Croatia recently fought a war to become an ethnostate.

    England won’t even force its leaders to honor the referendum to leave the European Union.

  191. @Cagey Beast

    Well there ya go right there you xenophiboc haters! The import of soccer players and world cup performance obviously trumps concerns about national identity crime rapes destruction of welfare and national cohesion.
    Oh i guess tiny Crotia knocks over entirely your stupid open borders idiocy. Three cheers for national identity and culture you morons. Btw my next euro trip more likely to include Poland and Crotia than once-great france or sweden

  192. glib says:

    then you will also agree that in 1934 Italy was best, or that S, Korea was worth a semi-final slot in 2002. I prefer to trust my own eyes, and state that the WC winning “goal” never crossed the line. I will admit, though, that a russian lineman may not have needed money to punish the Germans, only 21 years after the end of the war. One should just remember that buying a ref is effective, cheap, and time tested.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  193. Russ says:
    @Jack D

    Here’s a handy guide:

    [Schneerson photo]
    [Castro photo]

    Where in the handy guide would be the photos of a half-dozen of the dozen Karpovka Street “historic meeting” plotters which exactly a century and several months ago launched infernal Bolshevism at the start?

  194. HA says:
    @Jack D

    “fondness for Hitler, Himmler and genocide.”

    Fondness? You think the Ustashe were elected or chosen? No, they only came to power because the leader of the Croatian Peasant party (the monolith party in all pre WWII Croatian affairs) refused to deal with the Germans.

    In fact, Macek, the party leader (who took over after the former leader was assassinated in a session of the Yugoslav parliament, which set off a chain of violence that sparked the rise of the Ustashe) was the only representative of the three constituent ethnicities of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia who refused to sign the Tripartite Pact. (While Mihailovich’s Serbian Chetniks initially resisted the Nazis, after accepting the Tripartite Pact, they soon gave up and focused their attention on the Partisans — who were headed by the half-Croat Tito, by the way — and unlike the Chetniks, the Communists had less remorse about turning the young men they shanghaied into service into hamburger meat in order to gain victory. Moreover, Mihailovich’s Chetniks took weapons and support from the two other Chetnik factions that openly collaborated with the fascists, which is why the Allies eventually dropped the Chetniks altogether). Macek refused the Germans primarily because he predicted they would lose, but he had Czech and Polish cousins (one, Stanisław Maczek, was a tank general for the Polish Army – and was also part Croatian), so anyone who thinks he was well-disposed to the fascists is kidding themselves.

    In any case, it was only after Macek refused that the Germans appointed the Ustashe instead (who imprisoned Macek and later confined him to house arrest — unlike the rest of the Yugoslav high command, he had chosen to stay behind and share the fate of his people). It is true that the Ustashe were indeed a bloody and barbaric and twisted lot, but that was only because their stated mission was to do to the Serbs what the Serbs had been doing unto others for the prior couple of decades, and that’s pretty much what they did. In fact, if you look at the crimes attributed to Chetniks in the Balkan wars (specifically, the Carnegie Endowment report on the Balkan wars) you’ll see that the crimes of both sides are eerily similar. (Massacres of entire villages? Check. Mounds of skulls? Check. Forcing ones enemies to change religion in order to save themselves, and then afterwards killing them anyway? Check.) Wag your fingers all you want, but protecting the West from Turks was a bloody and brutal business – rough men standing ready to do violence and whatnot – and both Croats and Serbs (and plenty of others on those frontlines) were doing that long before there were Geneva accords, and that was the way things were done. Any added hype you hear in the case of the Ustasha — in particular, the efforts to lay their crimes on Croats as a whole — is generally the propaganda of Belgrade Communist kangaroo courts (eagerly lapped up by the West) and more recently, Chetnik apologists still boo-hooing their loss of power in the former Yugoslavia, and boy, are they still at it.

    (Another interesting fact about the Ustashe was the unusually high prominence of ethnic Jews in their high command and their founders, though they worked out a notion of “honorary Aryanship” to make it all copacetic. As Hannah Arendt noted in her book on Eichmann, that caused quite a stir when it was revealed to the Nazis.)

    And as for Ante Gotovina, the Croatian general you wanted to tar in your last link, you conveniently omitted the part about “On 16 November 2012, Gotovina’s convictions were overturned by an appeals panel at the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) and he was released from custody.” (See his wiki page — as I recall Niccolo Salo had a nice writeup on this site a while ago.) Funny how you missed that part, but coming from a cherry-picking history hustler like yourself, that’s par for the course.

    • Replies: @Anon
  195. @slumber_j

    I spent some time in Bosnia. I’m average height in the US, but I felt a tad short walking around Sarajevo.

  196. @Chuck

    All countries criminalize politicized denials of various sorts and criminalize various forms of crime think. I don’t speak or read Croatian but I am sure they use their Croatian laws to gang up on people they disagree with, too, everybody does, except maybe the Czech, and they have other problems.

    If I were French, I would vote for a limited holocaust denial law, along the lines of laws against over-repeated slanders and libels (so, for example, I would vote for a law in the USA where you can burn the flag outside, say, the local VFW hall once, but if you do it twice, consciously, that would be a crime — remember some French were extremely brave during WWII, braver than I would have been, and others were war criminals of the worst kind). If I were Russian, I would vote for a limited Gulag denial law. And so on.

    Similarly, if I were North Korean, I would vote for a law criminalizing extreme and slanderous criticism of the United States, a country that has tried so hard to help them. Even here, the “First Amendment” has not been faithfully applied, has it?

    I am rooting for Croatia not because of politics but because the French sporting establishment is so corrupt in so many ways, and the Croatians seem to like their fellow Croatians more than the French seem to like their fellow French, at least for now. I hope that what we are seeing these days is an inflection point where people feel greater loyalty to their countries, But it is just a game, after all. And if France wins, so what, there are a lot of good French people who will be happy.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  197. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Braxton

    Duh, obviously! And Sen. Elizabeth Fauxcahontas Warren is Cherokee.

  198. @Dave Pinsen

    Is it me, or is Croatia captain Luka Modric the spitting image of Linus Roache who played District Attorney Mike Cutter on Law & Order.

  199. Ann says:

    French whites are not very interested in soccer. Had some friends whose kids are soccer stars who lived in France for a year, and the white French don’t want their kids involved in soccer because it’s African, and they generally regard soccer as lower class. French care a lot more about rugby. It is a really interesting case study though, because it shows how much better Africans do when they are in a structure LED and created by whites.

    • Replies: @anon
  200. @Cortes

    France has truly magnificent players but I think they also have a brittle mentality. If Croatia were to get in front it could be interesting though France must be favourite.

    I checked one of my books, and France is given a 2/3 chance of winning the Cup.

    • Replies: @Hail
  201. @Anon

    The England side lacked the asabiyya and existential determination that was evident in the Croatians. Only a tiny minority of the England players are Englishmen. (Do non-English players on the team have a conflict of interest?)

    I’d disagree. The problem is England’s repeated resort to the long ball (the equivalent of a Hail Mary pass). For some reason, it’s England’s preferred strategy, despite not having worked for the team at the World Cup level for 50 years and counting.

  202. anonymous[377] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Just being curious, are/were you married? Children? I never did either, didn’t seem to make my parents happy. My siblings all dove in though, not sure they’re any happier than me.

  203. anonymous[377] • Disclaimer says:
    @middle aged vet ...

    Who decides what is “denial”? An example. My history tutor (some might figure out his identity) was considered a “denier” because he put forth two heresies: 1.) Viewed from the German side, it was a sideshow — meaning not a primary governmental objective, not a significant drain on resources; 2.) most died from disease/exposure/starvation — although he always acknowledged that millions were executed. Is this holocaust denial? I think most Americans would say it is but I also think most historians (if they didn’t have to be named) would say it isn’t.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  204. Hail says: • Website
    @ben tillman

    France is given a 2/3 chance of winning the Cup

    Outcome Probability (90min.) as calculated by Google Big Data is:

    - France Win 49%
    - Croatia Win 22%
    - Tie (at 90min.) 29%

    The algorithm does not calculate extra-time likelihood due to insufficient data, but it presumably follows regular-time probability. Penalty Kicks are notoriously a coin flip. If ‘Draw’ is split 50/50, the Black-majority France ‘national’ team has a 63.5% chance of winning World Cup.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
  205. Hail says: • Website

    Really good metaphor for England’s trajectory.

    Flash bakcward one hundred years to 1918 and Britain’s pyrrhic victory in some ridiculous war (“WWI”) — to about fifty years later in which (a) Enoch Powell warns against non-White immigration but is ridiculed or ignored and (b) England wins World Cup with an all-White national team (Why Worry?) — to the present day, 2018, in which fewer than half of England’s ‘national’ team World Cup roster is full-White, and in which latter-day Enoch Powell types either in prison or under surveillance as enemies of the British state.

    (I glossed over something important between scenes one and two there, but wish not to get sidetracked.)

    • Agree: eah
  206. @middle aged vet . . . .

    everybody knows that, this year of all years, it was not really a prize worth winning

    Why? What are you talking about?

  207. LondonBob says:

    Well Martin Peters had the best view and didn’t bother following it in.

    So the sum of the argument the WC in 66 was rigged is that one highly marginal decision went to the attacking home side.

    Sure South Korea got a lot of homers, as did Argentina in 78, not quite the same thing though.

    • Replies: @glib
  208. EdwardM says:
    @Carbon blob

    We can dream. The blockade by Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain, and Egypt has now gone on for more than a year, which shocks me.

    What if it becomes really institutionalized and persists four years from now? I guess, on the surface, that wouldn’t prevent the World Cup from being played there, but it would sure be awkward. Investment there has slowed considerably, and all of the infrastructure they promised (three-star hotels, subways, highways, stadiums as another poster mentioned) will not materialize. Even logistically — you can’t fly Emirates to Qatar, and many European airlines have dropped service — it’s difficult. Significant barriers would prevent fans from traveling to Qatar from neighboring countries.

    The World Cup could end up being a disastrous fan experience.

    Perhaps the rival Arab countries are holding out, knowing that they’ll be able to extract substantial kilograms of flesh from Qatar to end its isolation.

  209. Hail says: • Website

    although individual games seems fairly random due to low sample sizes of scoring, no non-major soccer power has won in a very long time

    Apparently it has been calculated that winning a soccer game is up to 50% skill and 50% luck, due to the small margins of victory due to low scoring (often/usually a single goal margin). A team that should, by skill alone ‘on paper’ win or tie say 98 times out of 100, will instead win or tie 74 times out of 100 (skill [98/2]+ luck [50/2]).

    A middling soccer country would presumably have to rely on the 50% luck component four times in a row to actually win the World Cup(the round of 16 through the final). (Russia nearly did but for a single penalty kick last week.) (This raises the question of a home-team Luck Multiplier, which almost definitely exists).

    What’s the chance of such a World-Cup-winning lucky streak? What’s the chance of four heads on four coin flips? 1/16 or 6.25%.

    As you say, Uruguay won in 1950. Eighteen World Cups later (2018), middling soccer power Croatia is in the World Cup final. So, statistically, if Croatia wins, we’re essentially right on track to hit that 6.25%.

  210. EdwardM says:

    You’re calculating that based on France’s probability of winning in regulation plus a 50/50 chance if it’s tied after 90 minutes.

    Maybe a better calculation would France’s probability of winning in regulation plus the same probabilities (49/22) of France winning in overtime plus 50/50 if it goes to penalty kicks, which would amount to a 67.4% chance of France winning.

    I don’t follow soccer closely; perhaps overtime is a 50/50 proposition.

    • Replies: @Hail
  211. Hail says: • Website

    England’s side had 6 white players.

    For a slightly larger sample size, the 23-man roster:

    England had 11 White (full-White) players on their World Cup roster, and 12 Non-White or mixed race players. (See here for England’s player by player racial-ancestry breakdown).

    Notably, England had zero Muslims on its 23-man World Cup roster for 2018. England’s World Cup player age-cohort, born mid 1980s to late 1990s, appears to be well above 10% Muslim today.

    There were 1.4 million Muslims below age 25 in England in 2011 (according to this, from the 2011 UK Census), out of 17,237,768 total persons [.xls] under age 25 counted in England/Wales by the 2011 census, for a Muslim share of 9.9% among under-25s in 2011. This is presumably a good deal higher now with new migrants coming in; perhaps 15%+?

  212. Hail says: • Website

    Good idea; I don’t know how to estimate the overall probability for the regular 90 minutes, vs. the awkward extra 30 minutes of overtime featuring by-then-exhausted players.

    As for the algorithm itself, as soccer does not normally have overtime — hence the high number of ties — Manchester United, for example, played 114 games in the past three seasons from August 2015 to May 2018 and 30 ended in draws (26.3%) — Google’s World Cup algorithm stops live-updating around 80 minutes, and do not return for overtime in the World Cup.

    I presume that the tens of thousands[?] of games the Google algorithm uses to come up with the real-time-updating probabilities include few (if any?) overtime games.

    It’s unclear how valuable these probabilities are anyway given the unique nature of the World Cup and the very high degree of uncertainty. If the 50% skill, 50% luck estimate for single soccer game outcomes is true, do these calculated probabilities measure only the 50% skill component?

    • Replies: @EdwardM
  213. Hail says: • Website

    the Islamic Republic of England

    In fact, England’s national team in 2018 has exactly zero Muslim players.

    But a majority of England players have at least some Subsaharan African ancestry.

    Steve Sailer’s World’s Most Important Graph, meets Angela Merkel migrant-insanity, meets international Sports — as the ghost of Enoch Powell looks shaking its head and the political ghost of Tony Blair hides in a corner to avoid any attention for what he has done.

  214. LondonBob says:

    Still a bit miffed that the Croatian players looked dead on their feet after another punishing 120 mins against Russia a few days before, yet were fresher than the more rested, younger English team in this game. Remarkable powers of recovery and endurance…

  215. sb says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Soccer is the # 1 sport in popularity for both China and Indonesia . They just aren’t very good .

    For the South Asian countries soccer clearly lies behind cricket in popularity but is clearly #2-ahead of field hockey in which these countries compete at the highest level (well maybe not Bangladesh )
    Which really just again shows how big soccer is internationally compared to ( most ?) other team sports

    Speaking of sport and Indonesia , I see that an Indonesian kid has just won the World U20 100m sprint championship ahead of two (African ) Americans

  216. glib says:

    No, 1966 was rigged because of the Hungary and Argentina games. I can not be sure of what happened in the final, other than the ball hit the line and made a puff of chalk (making it clear that it did not completely cross the line), precisely because the lineman was russian. I completely concur that 1934, 1966, 1978, and 2002 were the rigged WCs.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  217. bomag says:
    @Jack D

    I’m not sure how much to gripe about past excesses. It’s not like Communists; Muslims; and the various African tribes pay much of a price for their body counts.

    As the song says, “nice guys get washed away, like the snow and the rain”.

  218. anon[603] • Disclaimer says:

    You’re a moron. Frenchies like their soccer.

  219. EdwardM says:

    On CNN today they showed the odds put out by Paddy Power and, if I remember correctly, it was something like:

    France wins in regulation: 10/11
    Croatia wins in regulation: 7/2

    These match the percentages you reported from Google almost exactly.

    Then it was:

    France wins in overtime: 7/1
    Croatia wins in overtime: 18/1

    So if it goes to overtime, France has a similar edge than to their edge in regulation.

    I think that the odds also favored France if it went to penalty kicks.

  220. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:

    Why was someone holding up an Israeli flag among the celebrants in the Croatian stadium section after Croatia scored its second goal?

    • Replies: @HA
  221. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:

    Fans among the celebrants in the stadium held up an Israeli flag after Croatia’s second goal.

  222. Matra says:

    AS Monaco has a decent budget.

  223. LondonBob says:

    The referee should have sent off more Argentines, animals.

  224. @Marcus

    I recall that they were really good at team handball and water polo back then, as well

  225. @Anon

    Honestly, I don’t think this is the case. We have seen diverse teams do very well (hey, England did! And France, and the Netherlands) as much as we saw non-diverse teams do well. It sure doesn’t look like a diversity of players makes for weak teams.

    I think we should be careful to avoid hitting everything that looks like a nail just because we have a hammer.

  226. Josep says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    For me, it’s not so much the difficulty of Polish as Poland’s membership in NATO ( and the EU (putting the country at risk of increased leftist, SJW influence*, not to mention having its currency (the zloty) being replaced with the dreaded euro).
    What amazed me about Poland was its high population of Catholics (setting it as a bastion of religious belief in a sea of post-Christian states), although the veracity of this is dubious. Russia, while not as religious as Poland, at least isn’t part of NATO or the EU.

    *It’s great that the Poles are pushing back against the destructive policies of the EU (e.g. forcing them to accept a quota of migrants), but I feel their big mistake was voting to join the EU in the first place…

    P.S. In Poland, just like in Britain and several other European countries, you have to pay an annual license fee to watch television or listen to the radio. Meanwhile Russia abandoned the TV license fee in 1961. Haven’t been to either country myself, but just a warning.

  227. Bliss says:
    @27 year old

    Croatia vs Africa

    It’s funny how the tables have turned. It wasn’t so long ago that Eastern Europe aka Slavia was the far more diverse and mongrelized part of Europe: full of Jews, Muslims, Gypsies, Armenoids, Mongoloids and various combinations thereof. Now Eastern Europe has the bragging rights to being the “real” Europe.

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  228. HA says:

    >Why was someone holding up an Israeli flag among the celebrants in the Croatian stadium section after Croatia scored its second goal?

    I visit the Adriatic coast as often as I’m able (i.e., not enough), and I can testify that Croats are a chatty people. I specifically remember hearing that Croatian tourism by way of Israel is plentiful (and even the man who told me this seemed surprised by the enthusiasm of it). There were undoubtedly numerous Jewish Yugoslavs who left that area after WWII (or maybe the 90’s war) for Israel because of economic pragmatism more so than a fear of any barely-suppressed murder urges of their fellow Croats, despite what hucksters like Jack D would have you believe. I’m guessing the flag in question was being waved by one such émigré with a soft spot for his or her birthplace.

    Yes, it’s true that the head of the Croatian hardline Yugo-Communist party during the 90’s was a Jew, and he was roundly despised. But the longtime hero of the Croatian left was another Croatian Jew, Andrija Hebrang, who had argued for a gentler more decentralized Yugoslavia, and was murdered when Tito began to suspect that Stalin (who after WWII was actually insisting that Tito needed to cool it down a notch, if you can believe that) was planning to depose him and put Hebrang in his place. The man’s son was health minister for a number of years and was widely admired (which is remarkably rare for Croatian politicians). For some reason, little details like that — not to mention the aforementioned fact that the Croatian Minister of Defense during WWII, i.e the commander-in-chief of the Ustashe, was himself an ethnic Jew (by Nazi reckoning, anyway) married to the daughter of the ethnic Jew who had helped found the political wing of the Ustashe – don’t make it to the top of Jack D’s ham-fisted Google searches. I wonder why that is?

    And while I’m at it, Simon in London’s attempt to rehabilitate Serbo-Chatnik myths about how Jews were behind Croatia’s independence is just loony. The Jews that Croats of that generation hated the most were US diplomats like Warren Zimmerman and Larry Eagleburger, and those like them who kept flakking for Milosevic, the Serbo-Yugo- Communist strongman, while his paramilitaries were murdering Catholics and shelling Dubrovnik, and they were very much the norm. It was only when the bullets started raining down on Bosnian (and later Kosovar) Muslims that the US decided that Milosevic needed to go. (To be fair, the US’s primary concern was that Russia might follow the same path as Yugoslavia, except with nukes, and that’s why they initially kept insisting that the latter needed to stay intact.)

  229. Hail says: • Website

    Croatia is really central Europe by any fair measure, not eastern Europe, but the point stands.

    Some of the Croatia players could fit well in many parts of Northwestern Europe, and there is no real trace of non-European racial influence at all.

  230. Marty T says:

    Um…no. I’m almost as conservative as possible, but Nazis are not preferable to anyone.

  231. Anonymous[274] • Disclaimer says:

    Gas chambers are central to the narrative. If you acknowledge shootings and deaths from privation but deny gas chambers then you’re a denier.

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