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  1. Anonymous[126] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/how-covington-catholic-boys-were-redeemed-dark-magic-crisis-communications-ncna961901

    How the Covington Catholic boys were redeemed by the dark magic of crisis communications

    Beau Friedlander

    … But after getting CNN news anchors to publicize the teen’s personal statement (which you can be sure was written by a committee of experience hardened communications experts) and obtaining interviews on “NBC Nightly News” and the TODAY show, many Americans are rightly asking what sort of dark magic Nick Sandmann’s public relations team had to invoke to make this go away.

    It’s not magic; it’s just P.R.

    A great opening gambit here is to take advantage of existing narratives about the media — and, after years of conservatives hyping the idea of fake news and crisis actors, that was easy enough. A chaperone who was present during the situation on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial said, “Our boys were set up for this event.” (Such a scenario is about as likely as President Trump changing parties.)

    Sadly, this species of messaging relies on the old racist thinking that a cabal of Jews run the media, banking and, with those two things in hand, the world but, in 2019, resorting to such dog-whistling stereotypes is only a problem when people on the left do it.

    … The spin worked, both because it feeds the narrative that Trump supporters are all misunderstood (and it’s the job of liberals to understand them)

  2. AndrewR says:

    How is it that so many people seem to implicitly believe that the “native” tribes weren’t all conquering each other’s territories for thousands of years before the hhhhwhite man came? White people are supposed to feel guilty for excelling at the same thing that all humans (including the holy “natives”) have done since before our species even existed?

  3. Anon[419] • Disclaimer says:

    This video was produced by one of Sandmann’s law firms, a defamation specialist, Lin Wood, who won a big judgment for JonBenet Ramsey’s brother last month:

    https://www.npr.org/2019/01/04/682444535/jonben-t-ramseys-brother-settles-defamation-lawsuit-with-cbs

    HT to another Anon here in another thread:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/lionel-shriver-on-the-human-tide/#comment-3023561

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Barnard
  4. Anon[419] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    A chaperone who was present during the situation on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial said, “Our boys were set up for this event.” (Such a scenario is about as likely as President Trump changing parties.)

    Sadly, this species of messaging relies on the old racist thinking that a cabal of Jews run the media, banking and, with those two things in hand, the world but, in 2019, resorting to such dog-whistling stereotypes is only a problem when people on the left do it.

    … The spin worked, both because it feeds the narrative that Trump supporters are all misunderstood (and it’s the job of liberals to understand them)

    Huh?

    1. “We were set up.”

    2. ???

    3. Everyone thinks you’re talking about Jews.

    I don’t follow the logic. Beau must be very sensitive to this stuff. Or is the word “paranoid”? I wonder if he’s Jewish?

  5. I LOL’d at Uncle Tomahawk. I haven’t heard that one before.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  6. The most important lesson here, of course, is not that so many journalists were too quick to jump to conclusions, but that they were ready to jump in one particular direction, that is, to vilifying white people. Three distinct groups played a role in this event, a very small bunch of foul-mouthed black nutcases, a loony and lying group of self-described Native American activists and a large group of normal, well-behaved white teenagers. The media, as soon as it had the slight excuse it had, jumped where it was itching to go anyway.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  7. Anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:

    You’d better learn to code, Alyssa Milano.

  8. Anonymous[200] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Great stuff. The article erases all of the history on why this non-event event became a media spectacle in the first place. Someone said something to someone and the conservative spin machine pounced!

    Everyone was already projecting so much onto the interaction at the Lincoln Memorial that it made it easy to sell one preferred narrative.

    Yep. Everyone. So “one preferred” narrative (remember this is the one which is not the first one) won out.

    No one in the viral MAGA-hat confrontation video is an angel, not the foul-mouthed Black Israelites, the chanting, testosterone-and-anti-abortion-rhetoric-fueled MAGA kids, not the old man with the drum. They are all just doing their things, for better and sometimes for worse. Welcome to America.

    It’s not “the old man with the drum”, but ok.

    Remember the 4 steps of retreat in discoursing:

    1) “We rock”
    2) “They suck”
    3) “You suck”
    4) “Everybody sucks”

    We are now at 4).

    Americans are rightly asking what sort of dark magic Nick Sandmann’s public relations team had to invoke to make this go away. Sadly, this species of messaging relies on the old racist thinking that a cabal of Jews run the media, banking and, with those two things in hand, the world but, in 2019, resorting to such dog-whistling stereotypes is only a problem when people on the left do it.

    My Fellow Americans!

    The Guns of Intersectional Discursive Retreat Action:

    Small Gun) “I was just pretending to be a triggered little nasty hate-gnome”
    Big Gun) “It was all a trap, set in motion over many years; conservative spin and media control is too powerful”
    Ultima Ratio) “The stench of antisemitism is all over this event”

    (From the anti-semitic angle, something should have happened: the Black Hebrew goons should have been dragged off by the blue-clad ones due to open threats and intimidation but that’s the single thing that didn’t transpire.)

    I don’t even understand what Friedlander is trying to say. That they SHOULDN’t have been redeemed because there are P.R. firms involved?

  9. DCThrowback says: • Website
    @AndrewR

    hatred of the white man binds all tribes AndrewR, from the Mayans and Aztecs in Mexico and Central America, to the Navajo and Cherokee across the deserts and plains of the ole U-S-A. Whitey’s attitude should be like of that the fans of the New England Patriots: “They hate us because they ain’t us.” Respect for all, fear of none, etc etc.

    Words have meaning. If all Mexicans, Hondurans, El Salvadoreans, Dominicans, Cubans and Nicaraguans are “HISPANICS” and all Narragansetts, Tuscarora, Onieda and Choctaw are “NATIVE AMERICANS”, then it provides a languages of “unity” activists can unite under to extract more gimme-dats from ole Whitey.

    The trick, as our host has noted, is find and exploit the naturally occuring rifts between these activist “united” splinter organizations.

    (NOTE: Our Native friends have a much more stronger claim on than our island and south-of-the-border illegals do.)

  10. Anonymous[200] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I wonder if he’s Jewish?

    https://beaufriedlander.com/

    No.

    Looks like an OK guy.


    Is Criticizing Israel Anti-Semitic?
    : I just read Rabbi Shmuley Boteach’s piece on Huffington Post about Helen Thomas the Jew Hater, and I felt compelled to write something in response.

    Former stone mason. Wrote a book on Internet Security (woah does the comment section really embed a link to Bezos’ Supermarket in an artful way?)

    Probably just a mild case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

  11. @Anonymous

    What a fascinating article by Mr. Beau! Can’t wait for the follow-up in the series about the dusky jungle voodoo Jussie Smollett employed to make his hate-hoax home wrong go away.

    • Replies: @Spaulding Smails
    , @J.Ross
  12. ic1000 says:
    @Anonymous

    > (Such a scenario is about as likely as President Trump changing parties.)

    1. How much do mainstream journalists (e.g. Ben Friedlander) and their organizations (e.g. NBC News) know about the topics they cover?

    2. Do mainstream journalists and their organizatiions care, beyond the extent to which their output serves the preferred narrative?

    Seventeen seconds of Googling (I timed it) brought me to “Donald Trump changed political parties at least five times: report,” in the June 16, 2015 Washington Times. Lede: “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump switched political party affiliations at least five times since the late ‘80s, according to voting records obtained by The Smoking Gun.”

    1. Not much
    2. No

    • Agree: Dave Pinsen, slumber_j
    • Replies: @AndrewR
  13. @william munny

    Black pill Israelites come out as the real heroes of the vid.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @El Dato
  14. @DCThrowback

    “Words have meaning. If all Mexicans, Hondurans, El Salvadoreans, Dominicans, Cubans and Nicaraguans are “HISPANICS” and all Narragansetts, Tuscarora, Onieda and Choctaw are “NATIVE AMERICANS”, then it provides a languages of “unity” activists can unite under to extract more gimme-dats from ole Whitey.”

    And the most Orwellian phrase that confers unity on disparate elements is one used by that rotund black woman, Stacy Abrams, in her response to Trump’s SOTN speech:

    “shared values of diversity that define us”

    How can “diversity” be defined? It is by definition a multitude of non identical things, things that don’t share a definite common nature.

    “LGBT community under attack.” Really? When, where and how?

    “Diversity is our strength” How can diversity be strength? What happened to “Strength through Unity”?

    Normally, when we use the word “diverse” we are saying that the elements under consideration are not identical. The modern Left, on the other hand, speaks as though the elements are bound together by this very non-identicalness. But this is arrant nonsense. They cannot be lumped together by what they don’t have in common simply by virtue of the fact that what they have in common is that they have nothing in common.

    • Agree: Prodigal son
  15. Neuday says:
    @DCThrowback

    I’ve lately been reading books written by men wandering around the Western US between 1865 and 1895. The writers provide pretty clear pictures of the savagery and simple-minded deceptions attempted by the Indians, but also the naive romantic notions held by those living on the Atlantic. The Indians were uncivilized, incredibly brutal savages. Whites were sometimes no angels, and our government’s repeated reversal of treaties was pretty shoddy, but generally speaking, we did as well as conquering humans can.

    Would that we had the courage to tell certain non-Indian “tribes” currently in our midst to get civilized or GTFO.

  16. @AndrewR

    Because Leftists have successfully brainwashed most into believing pre-Columbus America was some kind of hippie utopia that was ruined when whitey showed up.

    This Leftist memeplex stems from Rousseau’s concept of, “the noble savage.” Go look it up.

    • Agree: jim jones, Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @jon
  17. AndrewR says:
    @ic1000

    President Donald Trump is not the same person he was 20 years ago, nor are the parties the same.

    Do you think there’s ANY chance of him switching parties while he’s president? It’s absolutely unthinkable. At an absolute minimum, the Democrats would have to be nicer to him than the Republicans were. Do you think that’s ever going to happen? What he did decades before becoming president has no relevance whatsoever

  18. In the aftermath of the riots corporate Cincinnati threw a few billion at the subsaharan problem on the Ohio side of the river as cover for affirmatively furthering a good many subsaharans right on out of town.

    On the Kentucky side it’s been the usual malign neglect with the result being that Covington public schools are Detroit bad. I’ve seen it from the inside – worse than anything in Cincinnati proper by a good bit.

    Also a good many carpetbaggers on that side of the river from the days before the Ohio side got wise. That’s some of the underlying dynamic that can be seen in the vid.

  19. BB753 says:

    Shouldn’t the Black Israelites be considered a “hate group”, or would that be antisemitic?

    • Replies: @donut
  20. rufus says:

    cool it with the pedocity….Sailor

  21. @Anonymous

    With a name like Friedlander, I don’t think it’s a good idea to talk about Jewish canals in the media, in the media.

  22. @Anonymous

    Imagine the unmitigated gall of a seventeen year old boy employing the services of professionals in the face of coordinated libels from several multi-billion dollar media corporations!

    It’s . . . it’s . . . soooo unfair!

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    , @HEL
  23. @AndrewR

    How is it that so many people seem to implicitly believe that the “native” tribes weren’t all conquering each other’s territories for thousands of years before the hhhhwhite man came? White people are supposed to feel guilty for excelling at the same thing that all humans (including the holy “natives”) have done since before our species even existed?

    It was sometime in the 1970s that American Indians got a PR makeover, being transformed from murderous feral savages and cowboy’s dumb sidekicks/scout-trackers to a race of peace-loving proto-environmentalists living in a sort of Eden prior to the arrival of the white man.

  24. @Alec Leamas

    The idea that conquest really is in awfully poor taste has always been quite popular among those who’ve already done all the conquering they need to.

    • Agree: Svigor
    • LOL: vinteuil, bomag
  25. I’ll have to watch the video later on. Rather than “Covington”, as a working term, like “Attica, Attica!”, I kind of wish they would be known as the “Covington X”, where X in an integer less than 50 or so. Though single-digits work better, I know there were more than that many kids out there. I tried to look up, but couldn’t find a number.

    It’s very cool, no matter what you did or have been accused of doing to be known collectively as the Scranton 5, or the Dallas 7 or, say, the Covington 12. Real instances are not coming to mind right now, sorry. “Yeah, that’s when it all started … I was one of the Covington 12, you know.” “Wow!”

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    , @Lagertha
  26. Lot says:
    @Anon

    Great work on that video.

    • Agree: BB753, Marat
  27. The internet suggests two origins for Covington surname: Scottish and Anglo-Saxon.

    One bit says it’s about enclosures and Coventry in England is related to it. Some English guy named Cofa and his people enclosed something by some means.

    This locational surname of several spellings, is of Anglo-Saxon origin, and originates from a hamlet in Huntingdonshire, England. Recorded as “Covintune” in the Domesday Book of 1086, and as “Couyngton” in the 1260 Assize Court Rolls, the component elements of the placename are the Olde English pre 7th Century personal name “Cofa”, with “ing”, people of, and “tun”, enclosure, settlement; hence, “settlement of Cofa’s people”. This personal name also forms the first element of such places as Coveney in Cambridgeshire, and Coventry in Warwickshire.

    Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Covington#ixzz5elXYcPoi

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  28. OFF TOPIC

    President Trump Pushes Nation-Wrecking Mass Legal Immigration And He Has Refused To Immediately Deport All Illegal Alien Invaders.

    Trump has stabbed his voter base in the back by betraying them on immigration policy.

    I hereby challenge Trump to a debate on mass legal immigration, illegal immigration and American national identity.

    • LOL: jon
  29. Anon[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR

    We know surprisingly little about pre Columbian Native Americans, vd. the books 1491 and 1493.

    Remember, there was a century or so between the discovery of the New World by Europeans and any sort of up close interaction with the natives. During that century as many as 20 new diseases worked their way coast to coast and down to the tip of South America.

    The tribes that the settlers finally met may have not existed in 1492. It’s thought that larger stable agricultural groups may have existed that were torn apart when disease hit and frightened small bands took off on their own.

    One theory has it that large bison herds did not exist, and were the byproduct of abandoned fields and ecological chaos left by failing societies.

    Most of the 16th century visitors never wrote of their experiences, or rather, were illiterate.

    The whole field is hard to research because it’s almost as sensitive as the black IQ gap. Even a simple pre Columbian population estimate journal article can bring the protestors to your office screaming “racist!”

  30. anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:

    Covington?

    Harold Covington?

    The northwest trilogy?

    Coincidence?

    Just kidding

    Chanelling my inner Q there for a second.

  31. OFF TOPIC

  32. Barnard says:
    @Anon

    In the Ramsey case, CBS accused him of killing his sister as a six year old. It was a sleazy tabloid story and parts of the news organization had to be embarrassed they were producing it. Do you think a company like CNN is going to settle with Sandmann? Fighting this and claiming they are sticking up for the oppressed against white privilege would be red meat to the average CNN viewer.

    • Replies: @Anon
  33. ic1000 says:

    The video created by Sandmann’s Atlanta-based attorney’s firm is clever and effective.

    The narrator doesn’t directly attack Nathan Phillips (or the Black Israelites, for that matter). Unfortunately for Phillips and his supporters, the producers were able to compile a timeline out of publicly available clips, letting the Native American Elder speak for himself. He’s skilled at coming up with self-serving recollections on the spur of the moment, then reciting them to the camera in a sincere, amiable tone. Phillips comes across as a familiar archetype, the guy who’s smoked too much dope over the years to remember exactly what happened a few hours ago, much less what he said yesterday.

    Viewers are invited to contemplate the ill-will of the journalists and other media personalities who took Phillips’ narrative at face value and ran with it.

    The producers also show a couple of mainstream media figures who exhibited some skepticism as the rush to judgement was underway, pre-empting the “But there’s no way anybody could have known better” line that defendants in the libel cases are sure to offer in court.

    A very heartening development.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @utu
    , @Anon
  34. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alec Leamas

    16 year old boy.

    The entire thing proves my point in the “ educated vs wealthy parents” Only wealth parents saved Nick. We
    ( husband and I) wouldn’t have the had the money to help any of our kids in that situation.

    Think about that all you IQ Sat mavens.

    • Replies: @donut
  35. Anon[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @ic1000

    With the Today Show appearance Sandmann’s handlers communicated, “This is the way that our plaintiff will come across on the stand or in a video deposition, even with a little pushback or provoking.” And with the new video they are demonstrating how the case is going to look too a jury of Kentuckians in an opening or closing statement and how your defendant is going too look. It’s also showing how much work they are willing to put into research and evidence gathering.

    In other words, settle or we’ll see you in court.

    Among the damages is the fact that SJW admissions officers will silently boycott this kid. I don’t know if he’s Ivy League material, and at any rate a boycott will be impossible to prove, but litigators have a way of hinting that certain things things can be taken care of in punitive damages. In fact, SJW HR departments will probably boycott him for the rest of his life. It’s a good thing there are 50 to 100 defendants, and maybe 30 or so insurance policies with the insurance companies calling the shots.

  36. Svigor says:

    So, is RBG dead or what?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Federalist
  37. Svigor says:
    @AndrewR

    It’s even worse than that. They retcon RaHoWa onto the conquest of the Americas, but in reality it was an N-way war between:

    Europeans fighting Europeans
    Indians fighting Indians
    Europeans teaming up with Indians to fight Europeans.
    Europeans teaming up with Indians to fight Europeans teaming up with Indians.

    E.g., just ask around about the Sioux; the neighboring red men couldn’t wait to team up with the white men to kill the Sioux. “Hello there, red man, we are white men and we come in pe-” “K STF up now, sell us some of those boom-sticks and we can all go kill the evil imperialist slaving raping Sioux.”

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  38. Lot says:

    The left breaks with Israel. Roll call on anti-BDS bill. All GOPs but Paul vote in favor, Dems split in half.

    But every Dem senator running for president except Klobucher votes against.

    https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=116&session=1&vote=00016#position

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Anonymous
    , @AnotherDad
  39. Anon[343] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s been said before on here. But if a small group of people did a steady drip of fake racist stories on Twitter and amplified them with plausible minority SJW bots, the media would incredulously, reflexively report. With enough effort, the MSM could be discredited. Twitter would bleed advertisers and have their abysmal user numbers exposed.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
  40. songbird says:
    @Alec Leamas

    “F Troop” is so funny because of how un-PC it is, while still being a mainstream production.

    There was a certain amount of political correctness in the earlier “The Lone Ranger.” It was funny how the show was later reviled by people who had never watched it. Though, I always assert Tonto was meant to be clever, but not a good English speaker. Sidekicks were generally not stupid, IMO, unless they were meant to be comedic. Just subservient, but that rattled people, when race was involved.

    Mingo on “Daniel Boone” was an interesting character. Better education than Boone, but maybe they were just trying to differentiate the show, rather than be PC.

  41. Svigor says:
    @DCThrowback

    Words have meaning. If all Mexicans, Hondurans, El Salvadoreans, Dominicans, Cubans and Nicaraguans are “HISPANICS” and all Narragansetts, Tuscarora, Onieda and Choctaw are “NATIVE AMERICANS”, then it provides a languages of “unity” activists can unite under to extract more gimme-dats from ole Whitey.

    The trick, as our host has noted, is find and exploit the naturally occuring rifts between these activist “united” splinter organizations.

    Zionists routinely refer to Palestinians as a fake, made-up people, and I figure the lack of outcry from Jewish academia disqualifies any Jew from objecting to our referring to “Indians” and related terms as a fake, made-up people. So I figure that’s where we should start. “Indian” and the like are racial retcons invented by white academics to retroactively unite, solely on the basis of race, a multifarious category of various nations and tribes of people who never shared a common language, culture, history, or system of gov’t; who were never united in any sense of the word.

  42. PhDPepper says:

    There’s a not unsubstantial number of journos who associate the word “Covington” with Harold Covington, which just goes to show all those kids are the same as him. Guilt by association runs deep.

  43. @Alec Leamas

    That’s correct. I recall when Marlon Brandon “boycotted” the Oscars over Native American grievances. Also, the Billy Jack movies. This was also around the time of some isolated Native American militancy, e.g., Leonard Peltier.

    I suspect it coincided with a bulge of Native American males aged 18 – 35. But black civil rights sucked up all the oxygen.

    • Replies: @Anon
  44. Svigor says:
    @Lot

    A bill to make improvements to certain defense and security assistance provisions and to authorize the appropriation of funds to Israel, to reauthorize the United States-Jordan Defense Cooperation Act of 2015, and to halt the wholesale slaughter of the Syrian people, and for other purposes.

    WTF, I love the Democrats now.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Guy De Champlagne
  45. bomag says:
    @Desiderius

    I’m not sure “heroes” is the descriptor.

    Funny to see the coalition of the fringes turn on each other; a harbinger of when YT is gone from the scene.

  46. Svigor says:
    @Alec Leamas

    What’s funny is the emasculation of the Indians inherent to the process. They were really friggin’ good at stealth, stalking, tracking, bush warfare, ambush, torture, intimidation, etc. Waaay better than the hapless Europeans; that’s really what “famous Indian fighter” was all about, AFAICT – some cracker getting as good at killing out in the wild as the red men were.

    Leftist White Supremacy rears its head again.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  47. @DCThrowback

    hatred of the white man binds all tribes AndrewR, from the Mayans and Aztecs in Mexico and Central America, to the Navajo and Cherokee across the deserts and plains of the ole U-S-A. Whitey’s attitude should be like of that the fans of the New England Patriots: “They hate us because they ain’t us.” Respect for all, fear of none, etc etc.

    Minorities think all whites are racist because they hang around with Democrats too much…

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Brutusale
  48. Anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    Surprised by Harris, she’s usually very reliable to take the establishment line.

    The Dems are slowly turning away from Israel. It won’t happen overnight: there are too many Schumer types in positions of power and they are too dependent on donations from wealthy old Jews, but a complete break will happen eventually, especially as Israel trends more reactionary.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  49. keypusher says:

    “The image of a seemingly wholesome-looking white male teen staring derisively at an elderly Native American man” (emphasis added)

    “Staring derisively”? I guess “sneering” has expired from overuse.

    NBC’s “Think”, incidentally, seems to specialize in these sort of pox-on-all-sides-but-the-conservatives-are-worse explainers. Like Vox for people who have put aside their lunch boxes.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  50. @Lot

    The left breaks with Israel. Roll call on anti-BDS bill. All GOPs but Paul vote in favor, Dems split in half.
    But every Dem senator running for president except Klobucher votes against.

    Kudos to Rand Paul and those Democrats standing against this cucky anti-American nonsense.

    I thinks it’s good that the Jews finally have their own nation. People are happier with their lives and generate far less conflict if they live with their own kin, their own people. Every people deserve their own nation. (If the US actually wanted to do some with all its mucking about in the middle east–which it should not–it would be to break apart nations and secure each minority its own. We could even get independence for Phoenicia, so Taleb would have a homeland and wouldn’t have to live in grumpy chip-on-the-shoulder inferiority in a joint founded and maintained by barbarians.)

    But this bending and scraping for Israel is offensive. If you want a bill to address the annoying pro-Israel\anti-Israel bickering here it would be that anyone organizing for or against the interests of Israel, must surrender their American citizenship and get the hell out. We could call it the George Washington Patriotism Against Foreign Entanglements Act.

    • Replies: @nsa
  51. Russ says:

    $$$ -> Covington Catholic students.

    As damned well it should.

  52. @Anonymous

    Sadly, this species of messaging relies on the old racist thinking that a cabal of Jews run the media, banking and, with those two things in hand, the world but, in 2019, resorting to such dog-whistling stereotypes is only a problem when people on the left do it.

    Wow. This is the left\Jewish narrative now? We got caught and rebuked for lying and throwing an orgy of hate at flyover country goyim so that proves … anti-Semitism!

    Seriously no one in the mainstream right has even mentioned the Jews in rebuking this incident. I’ll note it because it was so obviously demonstrative of the particular animus of Jews for the flyover country goyim. (Emotional substitutes for the Polish and Russian peasantry.) But i’m an absolute nobody. And in truth beyond Jewish dominated media, there are so many gentile fellow travellers, and of course all the minorities who have been steeped in propaganda about Trump and MAGA hats as the symbol of white racism, that it wasn’t just a Jewish media thing, but the entire fringes having an orgy of hate YT.

    But hey, the right wing push back not specifically saying “Jews” means it was about the Jews. Afterall they … pushed back!… anti-Semitism!

    It’s a non-falsifiable ideology.

    • Replies: @Anon
  53. @Anonymous

    Maybe the Covington parents wouldn’t have had to spend thousands in PR if the media hadn’t, you know, used tens of millions worth of air time to slander their kids.

    There has been no resolution to this event. The libs will continue to take the side of the aggressive vagrant. For now, this plays to our electoral advantage.

    • Replies: @J1234
  54. A question I can’t figure out is: How many Amerindians were in North America in 1491? When I visit Mexico and Peru, I see enduring evidence of a large population: e.g., all the mountain-side terraces for growing potatoes in the Altiplano.

    In the U.S., though, hard to say …

    This seems like an acceptable thread for things Native Indian…

    “Hard to say” is I think the gist of it Steve.

    But while I think the “high counters” are wrong–and basically PC–it seems fairly clear that the estimates we heard as kids (ex. 1 million of the US) were indeed quite low.

    The key fact is simply that Eurasian and later African disease package was absolutely devastating, but in the North America the devastation took place out of sight and well before the European settlers were around to observe. But if you read accounts from say the DeSoto expedition you read descriptions of these Mississippian culture settlements that were far denser than what Americans later encountered in the 18th and early 19th century. It’s likely the population densities in the South did not recover to early 16th century levels until a few decades into the 19th century.

    My complete SWAG would be 5-10 million that got hit with an 80-90% die off. But who knows? Maybe we could ask Liz Warren to go on a vision quest and consult with her ancestors?

    • Agree: BB753
  55. nsa says:
    @AnotherDad

    All Americans should be glad of Izzyville’s existence…….without it, we would have another 6 million conniving jew aholes over here stirring the already toxic melting pot and bilking the peasantry.

    • Replies: @Lot
  56. HEL says:
    @Alec Leamas

    It’s a double bullshit complaint because the PR stuff didn’t matter. The non cuck right knew this was phony immediately and it was too big a story with too much obvious evidence that the mainstream narrative was completely insane on several levels for the original story to survive except amongst the most deranged of leftists. This kinda response is just another lie and absurdity coming from people who never say anything that isn’t one or both of those things.

    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
  57. Bill B. says:

    OT

    The Nation is angry at RBG for being popular with white liberals despite not being black or as radical as a Black Lives Matter activist.

    Ginsburg’s extraordinary life certainly has a cinematic quality. But so does that of Pauli Murray, a brilliant black female lawyer whose law-review article arguing that the Equal Protection Clause in the 14th Amendment applies to women was later used by Ginsburg. An orphan, who taught herself to read at age 5…

    Unlike Ginsburg, she actually was an activist, starting as a child when she refused to ride segregated streetcars and later was arrested for sitting in the front of the bus. But no movies or mugs bear her visage, and she is very far from being a household name. The RBG cultists don’t help: In their heroine-worship, they end up erasing those women of color, who may not fit any conventional feminine standards, and their righteous, often more brave contributions to the cause.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/notorious-rbg-scotus-dissent/

  58. @Spaulding Smails

    Lol *gone wrong*. Stupid autocorect.

  59. @AndrewR

    Been saying this for years. The English were the superior “tribe” and won the territory in more or less the same way as their predecessors.

    Whites gave them smallpox, which killed millions of them. They gave whites syphilis, which killed millions of us. We’re even.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  60. J.Ross says: • Website

    Remember Waleed Shahid?

    Although it’s Ocasio-Cortez who gets all the headlines, she arguably wouldn’t be in Congress in the first place without the group Chakrabarti founded: Justice Democrats, a new, central player in the ongoing war for the soul of the Democratic Party. It was the Justice Democrats who recruited her in a quixotic campaign early on, providing a neophyte candidate with enough infrastructure to take down a party leader. And it is the Justice Democrats who see Ocasio-Cortez as just the opening act in an astonishingly ambitious plan to do nothing less than re-imagine liberal politics in America—and do it by whatever means necessary.

    If that requires knocking out well-known elected officials and replacing them with more radical newcomers, so be it. And if it ends up ripping apart the Democratic Party in the process—well, that might be the idea.

    There is going to be a war within the party. We are going to lean into it,” said Waleed Shahid, the group’s spokesman.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/04/the-insurgents-behind-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-224542

    Man, name a guy “martyr” and he gets stuck on martial metaphors …

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  61. jon says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Because Leftists have successfully brainwashed most into believing pre-Columbus America was some kind of hippie utopia that was ruined when whitey showed up.
    This Leftist memeplex stems from Rousseau’s concept of, “the noble savage.”

    We’ve come full circle, of course, as it is now considered a soft form of racism to talk of the native as a noble savage — it denies them agency, or some such sh*t. Kind of like how the idea of a color-blind society is now racist. It’s almost like there is a certain group of people out there that agitate just for the sake of it and will never let up.

  62. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Zionists have this vague idea that nobody really knows or cares about Israel, but jealousy of Jewish success agitates talking point recitations; really, while Israel is not a central issue for many, the two images it generally brings up are atrocity and getting away with crime scot free, and a lot of these people are oversensitive to issues of judicial blind spots because they see themselves as wrongly over-examined by police. So it’s a perfect storm of the defenders misprepared and facing the wrong way.

  63. Black Hebrew Israelites: “The Bible condemns homosexuality, man!”
    Covington Students: “They’re still humans.”
    BHI: “This is a bunch of future school shooters!”
    Students: “How are you gonna tell someone they’re gonna shoot up a school … that’s just rude, bro.”

    Yeah, these students were primed for hating. The hats were just a cherry on top.

    Covington Catholic … putting the hat in hate!

    • Replies: @Corn
  64. J.Ross says: • Website
    @J.Ross

    Follow-up:

    Eventually, it became clear that Bernie wasn’t going to win. But it felt clear to Chakrabati that the political revolution Sanders had stoked was close to coming to fruition. He began meeting with a small group of his fellow Sandersistas to figure out how to channel that energy in the next election.

    Or, y’know, maybe, just maybe, there was that whole ADMITTED CONSPIRACY BY PARTY LEADERSHIP TO RIG ELECTIONS which lead to some outraged Berniebros voting for Trump and to Wasserman-Schulz resigning, and which is self-explanatorily bigger than Russians buying a Facebook ad and asking questions about gun ownership. Maybe. Maybe it was that.
    Is it ever become pool-wat’ry clear in retrospect that Hillary would not win, given that she is the most hated figure in American politics for my lifetime? Do the misty clouds of pre-thought ever gracefully lift from that vision? No, because to a journalism school graduate, Hillary was a lock, and had her victory stolen by Magic Russians. Possibly the same Dark Magicians who darkly and Russianishly conjured popular sympathy for the Smirking Set.

  65. @HEL

    The non cuck right knew this

    The non cuck would support reforms and regulations that reign in the multi billion dollar media and education industries that are creating this problem. Being a cuck is as much about economic identity as ethnic identity. Long story short there is no “non cuck right”

  66. Mr. Blank says:

    Unfortunately, this incident has already entered the canon of leftist mythology about flyover America’s seething, unbridled hatred of all “diversity.” Just as there are still some right-wingers to this day who think Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11, there will be leftists 20 years from now who will still be insisting that the Covington boys were on the verge of lynching that poor, noble Native American man, the one who fought with distinction in Vietnam, where he won the Congressional Medal of Distinguished Heart or something.

    I had a conversation about this with a lefty the other day, and she dutifully repeated every single false claim about the incident, including the ones that had been affirmatively disproven with video evidence. She also seemed to be under the impression that Nathan Phillips had served in combat, which I didn’t challenge her on. Nothing I said could change her mind. I didn’t dare ask her about Kavanaugh.

    The increasing number of Dreyfus Affair-type phenomena roiling through American culture is worrying. It portends…well, something. I don’t know exactly what. But it can’t be good.

    • Agree: utu, ic1000, sayless
  67. ic1000 says:
    @AndrewR

    Re-read the paragraph that Beau Friedlander concludes with “Such a scenario is about as likely as President Trump changing parties.” It’s a Creative Writing major’s way of saying, “This is highly unlikely.”

    Beau undermined his own rhetorical flourish, because
    1. He didn’t know much about his chosen subject matter (e.g. Trump’s mercurial nature).

    In addition,
    2. Neither Beau nor NBC News cared; the point was to advance the preferred narrative.

    Per Alec Leamas upthread: Beau stands bravely with the multi-billion-dollar media combines, punching up against the middle-class flyover country family that’s emptying their retirement account to defend their 16-year-old son. Who did nothing wrong.

  68. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Spaulding Smails

    There’s a new fake racial outrage, and it’s not everybody in the Virginia state government doing a cakewalk in broad daylight:

    Not shown but guessable: the “victim” making a ruckus in class and then ignoring repeated unambiguous orders to calm down or leave.

  69. @Neuday

    Very good summation of the West during those years.

    I too enjoy books written at that time by folks who were there.

    • Replies: @Mr. Blank
  70. “Covington” is easy to spell

    Well, theres always “Cofingtun”, “Covintune”, “Colvaynston”, “Colbanstoun”, “Colbainestun”, and “Colbaynstun”.

    • Replies: @Anon
  71. Anonymous[132] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, in Increasingly Italian Italy, ‘La Febbre Della Giungla’ is about to end for Cecilia and Domenico:

    ” The husband of Italy’s first black minister is to run for the anti-migrant party that called her an orangutan.

    Domenico Grispino said he would stand for Interior Minister Matteo Salvini’s League party in upcoming local elections at Castelfranco Emilia near Modena.

    His wife, former integration minister Cecile Kyenge of the centre-left Democratic Party, said the marriage was over.

    “I understand the dismay of everybody, including that of the League itself,” she said.

    On January 14 League Senator Roberto Calderoli was found guilty by a court in the northern city of Bergamo of calling Kyenge an orangutan in 2013.

    Kyenge, a doctor by profession with Congolese roots, became Italy’s first black minister when she served in ex-premier Enrico Letta’s government in 2013 and 2014.

    The court ruled that racism was an aggravating factor and sentenced Calderoli to an 18-month jail term at the end of the first-instance trial.”

    http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2019/02/05/ex-mins-husband-to-run-for-party-that-called-her-orangutan_d4620d86-a233-4663-a0ac-cf98136f67d2.html

    Cecilia:

    https://static.euronews.com/articles/stories/03/64/30/36/880x495_cmsv2_70ecce5c-3be8-5905-974
    c-8a50b16a5c9d-3643036.jpg

  72. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Ha ha ha, so this White hating liberal scumbag POS is all furious because the deplorable Kentucky boy is not a poverty stricken redneck cracker dopkoravle but has a family with enough money to protect him from a black thug public school but enough money to hire a good PR firm to combat the billions and billions CNN Time Warner and the rest of the media Hollywood scum spend denigrating and vilifying Whites every year.

    Why wealth, not education is the only way Whites can protect our children

  73. @AndrewR

    Andrew, I don’t mind saying this again. In a land of tens of millions of acres containing abundant fresh water, wild game, water fowl, fish, seafood, fur bearing mammals, fruits, berries and nuts. Where a day’s walk took you 20 miles from anyplace and any one, the Amerindians, kidnapped, raped, tortured and killed those who were not of their tribe. I say this as some one who worked with dozens of Native Americans and I remember a Seneca friend calling Mohawks savages.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @sayless
  74. istevefan says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    What we can hope for is that Trump is just playing to the normies and boomers to make them feel good. They eat up stuff like he spewed last night. And so long as he doesn’t implement it, I am OK. As a Trump supporter I have learned it is better to see what Trump does than to listen to what he says. After all, I’m still awaiting the wall.

    If throwing out the pablum he did last night gets the normies to relax,then good for him. The left has already proven that you can say one thing and do another and the public won’t notice. I guess I should say the GOP too. For they have done this as well.

  75. @Toño Bungay

    Tono, This is weekly . First the little girl killed by the white guy who shot up her mother’s van, then the Native American “Elder” disrespected by the smirking white boys and most recently the black gay actor beaten by white supremacist.

  76. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Even mentioning that people like Bernie Madiff, Jordan Belfort and Mike Milkiken are jews is anti Semitic

  77. @Neuday

    Neuday, Get a copy of “Empire of the Summer Moon” for an eye opening account of the Comanches. A page turner if there ever was one.

    • Agree: Cleburne
    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @El Dato
  78. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    Public school no doubt?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  79. Jack D says:
    @Svigor

    Not dead. She was seen recently at a concert given in her honor in DC in which her daughter was involved. They quietly brought her in the back. I can’t say what kind of shape she is in (probably not good), but we have proof of life.

    OTOH, her daughter claimed that she is walking 1 mile /day. And yesterday she mined 102 tons of coal in a single shift! (OK, I made that part up).

  80. @Anon

    We know surprisingly little about pre Columbian Native Americans, vd. the books 1491 and 1493.

    I read 1491.

    I’d rank its historical credibility right up there with Chariots of the Gods.

    • LOL: Corn
  81. istevefan says:
    @AndrewR

    What Europeans did to the tribes is not much different than what has happened to countless peoples throughout history. However, besides the political expediency of White hate, there are at least four main things that stand out:

    1) The struggle between Europeans and the tribes was the greatest mismatch in history. An agricultural people on the cusp of the industrial revolution versus hunter-gatherers was a mismatch like no other.

    2) The Europeans were highly literate and documented their victories unlike other conquerors who did not. Also, Europeans tended to be somewhat independently minded so not all the documentation of the conquest was in a positive light for the Europeans. There is documentation of misdeeds done against the tribes which other conquerors in other times would not have admitted to. So we have plenty of evidence of this conquest, favorable and unfavorable, where we have virtually none of other such conquests.

    3) The invention of photography appeared toward the end of the conquest. Somewhat related to the documentation point above, photography brings to life what the written word cannot. As a test try to imagine the Revolutionary War. The pictures I see are ones like Washington crossing the Delaware. But that is a highly stylistic painting and it’s hard to relate to.

    The Civil War, 80 years later, is much more realistic due to the photographs of the dead soldiers and bombed-out cities. Photography brings to life some of the last remnants of the tribes. Think about photos of Sitting Bull, etc. Photography makes those figures more human and thus we can relate to them more and feel more sympathy.

    4) On history’s timeline, the conquest took place relatively recently and is still relatively fresh. Think about this, it was 100 years ago that WW1 ended. It doesn’t seem that far off. Yet when people celebrated the bicentennial in 1976, we were just 100 years removed from the Sioux slaughtering Custer. So in 1976 there must have been people who were within living memory of the European-Indian wars. Or at least they had parents who lived through it. Contrast this to some conquest from 1000 years ago.

    Add it up and the European conquest stands out even though others have done worse. Couple this with the political tactic of White hate pushed by the cult marxists, and you have the recipe for what we are going through now.

    • Agree: ic1000, Mr McKenna
  82. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    The native Americans took the ferry to Alcatraz Island and occupied it. The Park Service handled it perfectly. The rangers ignored them. when they got hungry and cold enough the Indians left.

    Russel Means is still roaming around speaking to elderly liberals in their living rooms.

    • Replies: @sayless
  83. @Anon

    Among the damages is the fact that SJW admissions officers will silently boycott this kid.

    If this young fellow is as based as he seems, he’s already realized he should probably go to Mechanic or HVAC school.

    If he applies himself, he could easily have his own shop by 25. By 35, he could have multiple shops and a couple dozen guys working for him. At that point, he’d be well on his way to a far better career and life than any SJW admissions officer.

    • Replies: @L Woods
  84. Lot says:
    @Svigor

    I bet they’ll be excited to have you.

    • Replies: @donut
    , @Svigor
  85. donut says:
    @BB753

    Man , that’s a tough one . Maybe Alan Dershowitz can give an opinion on that .

    • Replies: @BB753
  86. @istevefan

    My paternal grandmother who was born in the late 1880s, at a time when Indian wars were still going on. She lived to the age of 99.

    My maternal grandmother was born in Indian Territory shortly before it became part of Oklahoma. She lived to the age of 91 so even in the late 1990s I could talk to someone who was alive at that time.

    My maternal grandfather was born in Oklahoma not long after statehood. He remembers seeing some of the famous Indian chiefs as old men. I think he mentioned seeing Quanah Parker for example, although he was a toddler when Parker died. He might have met some other famous chiefs. I can’t remember.

    So yes, back in the late 20th century there were people who grew up with stories of the Indian wars. I am sure there are people alive who heard stories from their parents or grandparents.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  87. Barnard says:
    @Jack D

    Do we have proof of life? She wasn’t photographed and I haven’t read a single eye witness report from a patron that they saw her in attendance. All we have are claims presented by the stenographers for the left in the media that she was there. I don’t doubt she is alive, but if you were going to run a Weekend at Bernie’s scenario, this is what you would do.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Jack D
  88. @Anon

    Anon, Sorry to be the one to tell you, but you are NOT allowed to say that Europeans “discovered” the Americas.

  89. @Anonymous

    Sadly, this species of messaging relies on the old racist thinking that a cabal of Jews run the media, banking…

    Is it still racist if it’s true? Or is it especially racist if it’s true?

    • Replies: @anon1
  90. JMcG says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joe, I’ve read Empire of the Summer Moon as well as Fehrenbach’s Comanche, The History of a People. I think Fehrenbach’s is the better book. Like you said, eye opening. The Comanche deserved everything they got. I don’t blame them at all for defending their way of life, but they knew the game they were playing.

  91. KunioKun says:

    >>… resorting to such dog-whistling stereotypes is only a problem when people on the left do it.

    Jumping Jerusalem! How long since the left had to actually worry about dog-whistling instead of just openly calling for murder and mayhem against those that they don’t like?

    • Agree: Hibernian
  92. I listened to a homeless guy discussing his days as a Marine in Viet Nam. He seemed too young for that era and even claimed he was one of the last on a helicopter from Saigon. He said he was in full dress blues stateside when a hippy girl spit on him and called him a “baby killer.” That is exactly what Nathan Phillips claimed happened to him. Is this a false narrative from those who served?

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @David In TN
    , @Lurker
    , @sayless
  93. El Dato says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    That sounds good.

    Meanwhile, begun the witches’ war has:

    ‘Damn Russia’s enemies!’: Video shows WITCHES meet in Moscow to cast spells… in support of Putin

    Neocons should have a nosebleed by now, if not an encounter with a falling anvil.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  94. @Neuday

    Can you recommend some titles? Thanks.

    • Replies: @Jack Armstrong
    , @Neuday
  95. Lot says:
    @nsa

    That’s not why you should support Zionism, but I won’t complain too much about the wrong route to the right destination.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  96. Lot says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Of course Phillips is lying. It is an urban myth, someone even wrote a book about it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spitting_Image

    • Replies: @istevefan
    , @vinteuil
    , @J.Ross
  97. @Svigor

    You don’t want to ally yourself with people that are opposed to Israel as part of a general pro barbarian anti civilization stance.

  98. donut says:
    @Anon

    “Remember, there was a century or so between the discovery of the New World by Europeans and any sort of up close interaction with the natives.” That’s a load of crap . Even the vikings had enough close interaction with the natives to not come back . When do you think the the Europeans discovered the New World ? If you accept 1492 as the date then it was only 40 years later that Francisco Pizarro conquered Peru . Cortés conquered Mexico in 1521 , 29 years after Columbus sailed the ocean blue . Ponce de Leon was killed trying to establish a Spanish colony in Florida in 1521 .

    “The tribes that the settlers finally met may have not existed in 1492. It’s thought that larger stable agricultural groups may have existed that were torn apart when disease hit and frightened small bands took off on their own .

    One theory has it that large bison herds did not exist, and were the byproduct of abandoned fields and ecological chaos left by failing societies.” What are you a college student ?

  99. donut says:
    @Neuday

    “Flashman and the Redskins” by GMF . Besides being entertaining Fraser’s books are good history .

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  100. L Woods says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Yes but the job market has never been better for women and minorities! Cuck-faced applause!

  101. donut says:
    @Anon

    If you think the “Rothchilds” of Covington , Kentucky are paying out of pocket for this army of lawyers then you don’t have much education in addition to being po .

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  102. donut says:
    @Lot

    Maybe , I’ll bet they don’t stink though . That’s a start .

  103. Jack D says:

    Generally speaking, when it comes to right wing paranoid thinking, it’s not a big leap from “We were set up” (really doubtful – it seems like everyone involved just wandered into the situation – the crime happened later when those with an interest in doing so took advantage of the Smirk Seen Round the World) to “the Joos in the media set me up”. I wish that wasn’t true, but it’s not a farfetched notion.

    • Replies: @Anon
  104. @Achmed E. Newman

    You might be thinking of the Chicago Seven if you’re my age.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Seven

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  105. donut says:

    You know a year or so ago these two “youths” in B-More tried to hijack a car from an old lady that had a standard transmission . I can’t find a link to that story but here are some other links :

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=baltimore+car+jackers+can%27t+drive+a+car+with+a+standard+transmission

    The point is that all these “immigrants” invited over by Abraham and Rachel and their white toadies can carjack white civilization but they can’t operate it .

  106. Cleburne says:
    @Anon

    So I wonder if this means (((they))) are afraid the goyim are awakening and attempting to preemptively shut it down.

    By the way, the anti-BDS language in the congressional bill is an absolute abomination. I assume we all agree on that.

  107. donut says:

    Come on Sailer get on the job . You’re like the DMV .

  108. @Anon

    Those were very good points there, #364. I’d never thought of this aspect of it before. Thanks.

  109. @Harry Baldwin

    I didn’t recall this group, Harry, and there are more too. I would like to be part of “The ABC n” some day. I shouldn’t have used “x” before, as it doesn’t usually represent an integer. I’m part of that Central High 4 that had to repeat Algebra I 3 times, haha.

  110. Asagirian says:

    ‘Covington’ or ‘coving’ a ‘watergate’ for media malfeasance?

  111. istevefan says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    It looks like you have good genes for longevity.

  112. @Charles Pewitt

    Trumps policy on immigration hasn’t changed a bit. He’s still supporting the end of family reunification etc., etc., no matter what else he says to pacify the Cuckservatives and progressives.

  113. @keypusher

    Bemused? I think that’s the right word … I mean if someone would have tried to been truthful or something …

  114. @Charles Pewitt

    Stop whining about Trump’s bullshit tactics-his immigration policy has not changed. Do you really need a link to be reminded what his immigration plan is, presumably the same one he’ll be running on in 2020?

  115. istevefan says:
    @Lot

    I can’t tell how much of the argument in ‘The Spitting Image’ is to get to the truth, or to protect the image of the Vietnam protesters and thus the Boomer psyche. Boomers are proud are of their activism days and don’t want to be associated with those who hate the troops. You will note their almost comical reception to the troops after the 1991 Gulf War, as if they had a guilty conscience. It was so over-over-the-top it was almost painful to watch.

    Here is a quote about that book from Wiki:

    The idea, however, that spitting on or mistreating Vietnam veterans was in any way typical or representative of anything in that era is completely false. […] It is by far the most powerful Vietnam War meme—a cultural unit of information passed from one person to another, like a biological gene—because it can be deployed instantly to silence difficult but necessary conversations about the military. For that reason alone the conventional wisdom is important, because it explains much about our civil-military dynamic today. It is also important, however, to understand why that accepted memory is untrue, and who benefits most from keeping it alive. The myth of the spat-upon Vietnam veteran is a difficult one to challenge. […] One intrepid soul, Professor Jerry Lembcke, both a Vietnam veteran and an academic researcher from Holy Cross University, stepped into the fray […] Every time he discusses his findings in a public forum, a hail of angry responses follows, but his explanations and conclusions are compelling and unsettling.

    So we go from it did not happen to it was not typical or representative. And that using this ‘meme’ is done to make others look bad or for political purposes. Of course no one complains when this same tactic is done today. They find one person at a Trump rally with an objectionable sign, who may or may not be a plant, and then run a narrative suggesting all Trump supporters are like that.

    I am not convinced about their argument. I am sure it did happen. It might not have been widespread, but it happened. The political temperature was so high during those times that it drove people to frequently plant bombs and try to kill others. So I don’t see how some didn’t resort to simply spitting or name-calling.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  116. vinteuil says: • Website
    @Lot

    It’s really kind of amazing – Nathan Phillips has been caught on video, blatantly lying, over & over again – and people on the “left” still suck up to him.

  117. Isn’t Covington about as far north as you can be to qualify as a “cracker”?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Svigor
  118. Ragno says:

    Beau Friedlander? That’s what I call covering all bases. Was “Isidore Goering” taken?

    Friedlander was at the center of controversy on the internet in 2010 when he publicly offered to broker a deal for $100,000 on the Huffington Post for anyone who could produce a sex tape of Glenn Beck.[8] Despite his initial stated intention for the article to be a satire in the context of Andrew Breitbart’s offer of $100,000 for an archive of progressive listserv messages, the article created a firestorm which led to the Huffington Post’s pulling the article and requiring Friedlander’s posts to be reviewed by an editor before being publicly viewable.

    Friedlander later posted an apology, stating: “I was actually trying to mimic what I saw as the way right wingers go about these matters, and by misapprehending the way they do things, I went too far.”

    There’s hoots-pah, and then there’s unprincipled shamelessness. That the Huffington Post all but acknowledged Friedlander is too dishonest to be trusted, even by the Left, says it all, I think.

  119. @Buffalo Joe

    Somebody who talks like this is almost always a fake.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  120. @istevefan

    iSteve, thank you for the link and reply.

  121. @David In TN

    David, Thank you for the reply.

  122. @Jack D

    OTOH, her daughter claimed that she is walking 1 mile /day. And yesterday she mined 102 tons of coal in a single shift!

    At the pub after her shift, RBG said she could have done at least twice, maybe three times as much, but wreckers were slow-working removing the coal because they didn’t want a woman to get the record.

  123. @Reg Cæsar

    Isn’t Covington about as far north as you can be to qualify as a “cracker”?

    We’re all crackers now.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  124. Somewhat OT:

    Is anyone else boycotting the news altogether right now? Aside from keeping up with iSteve and a few other blogs, I’m totally tuned out from anything having to do with current events. I didn’t watch Trump last night. I did watch some of the Super Bowl, but only because I was sitting in a restaurant with several big-screen TVs. (The place was totally dead, so all of the waiters were standing around watching the game.)

    Some of my disinterest stems from the fact that personal, familial, and financial issues are foremost on my mind at the moment, but most of it is a reaction to the depressing truth that the general zeitgeist is so screwed up right now that I can’t stand to hear about it. I don’t want to think about where things are heading.

    Last night I was reading about the famous case of David Reimer, a Canadian man whose parents tried to raise him as a girl after he suffered a botched circumcision. The parents were hoodwinked by John Money, an esteemed “sexologist” – a psychologist, not a medical doctor – at Johns Hopkins who convinced them that, with early surgical and therapeutic intervention, childhood sexual identity was entirely mutable.

    For decades, Money was widely regarded as the leading authority on human sexual development. His theories, disseminated in a series of best-selling books, were the subject of glowing front-page articles in such media outlets as Time magazine and The New York Times. But the truth, as always, was diametrically different from the hype. Money turned out to be a fraud (and a pervert) who trumpeted the supposed success of Reimer’s conversion in the scientific literature and the popular press even as the subject of this unholy experiment was driven to the brink of suicide.

    David eventually “came out” as the boy that he had always been, but he never truly recovered. Eventually, both David and his twin brother Brian ended up taking their own lives.

    And Reimer was not the only victim. Armed with his fabricated “proof” that science could turn any boy into a girl (and vice versa), Money “treated” many such kids by persuading their parents to subject them to genital mutilation and psychological torture. (His “therapeutic methods” included exposing kids to pornography and having them simulate various sex acts.) He devoted much of his time and effort to providing intellectual cover to the NAMBLA crowd. And the federal government rewarded him year after year, decade after decade, with one hefty grant after another.

    Money never apologized for the tremendous devastation he wrought. He never recanted his views. Like Hillary Clinton, he blamed all of his problems on a “right-wing conspiracy” driven by reactionary foolishness.

    It seems to me that the John Moneys of the world are running the show these days. Just as the tranny activists believe that chopping off a boy’s wee-wee can make him into a girl, the open-borders advocates believe that taking a Somali or a Guatemalan and dumping him on American soil can turn him into a civic nationalist with the intellect of an Ashkenazi Jew.

    We all know that this madness will end sooner or later, and many of us suspect that it will end very badly for everyone involved. We know that we will have to be strong in order to endure the trials that lie ahead. But reading and thinking about these topics can be terribly depressing and deflating, so sometimes it’s best just to take a little breather.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @William Badwhite
  125. donut says:

    You know when “South Park” or “The Family Guy” does a big musical production number ? Do you think that they have like an orchestra in their tuxedos and shit and a chorus all gowned up and flowers all over the place or is it just a couple of contractors in T-shirts with desktops ? You know at my age I still imagine Sammy Spear and His Orchestra and The June Taylor Dancers .

    The mind wanders back sometimes .

  126. Excal says:
    @Anon

    Being locked out of the Ivy League is not such a bad thing. He’ll be restricted to colleges like Thomas Aquinas and St. John’s and Hillsdale and Steubenville, where he can get the liberal education he will need to navigate his unusual life and career. And if these cases go his way, he’ll be able to afford it.

  127. @AnotherDad

    We’re all crackers now.

    Puttin’ on the Ritz?

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
  128. @istevefan

    Excellent break down istevefan.

    The only thing i’d toss in is that the set of circumstances you outline is taking place on top of a civilization with an evolving Christian moral code and people of very high affective empathy. When it was tooth and nail–raid and counter-raid–this was less of an issue. But after abolition (and the post-war moralizing to justify the slaughter) and the overwhelming dominance that came with industrialization, and final conquest, there were more people who thought we that we could have done better, taking up the white man’s burden in our own land.

    In most of the world this would have been–and continues to be–a non-issue.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  129. utu says:
    @ic1000

    Nathan Phillips is not being sued.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @ic1000
  130. @Roderick Spode

    Whites gave them smallpox, which killed millions of them. They gave whites syphilis, which killed millions of us. We’re even.

    I don’t think this sort of score is near “even”, and certainly not in terms of damage to peoples.

    But i also don’t think this is something that anyone needs to apologize for or keep score over. It’s just biology. For a variety of reasons (cue Jared Diamond) the people in the Americas were simply “behind” in the neolithic revolution–though they had started–and did not have the same huge suite of diseases.

    The collision was destined to be ugly and castrophic and it was.

  131. MEH 0910 says:

    Covington, oh, Covington.

  132. Steve, how about popping open the explict SOTU thread?

    As well as yourself, there are a bunch of guys–and some gals–commenting here whom i learn from and respect their opinions. And i’m curious if Trump accomplished anything, moved the ball forward one iota?

    I did not watch. I find Trump hard to listen to because i just think “missed opportunities”–my reaction to the first debate–when the crisis we face is so grave. And i certainly have no love for the now obligatory use of Reagan dog’n’pony of audience props–to me a symptom of the grotesque feminization and silliness of the nation. (Responsible men ought to be able to make their arguments rationally with evidence and logic.)

    But those who did watch might have something interesting to say about it. Do i short America? Or buy? Or buy ammunition?

    • Agree: reactionry
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Anonymous
  133. @AnotherDad

    I hope she washed the coal dust off her face prior to the pub. Wouldn’t want to be unwelcoming.

  134. @J.Ross

    The noise those people can generate is impressive. That room must be comparable to standing next to an airliner spinning up to full power. Shrieking, yelling…you’d need a lot of Advil at the end of a day working there.

  135. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D

    She was seen, but not photographed or videoed or spoken to or recorded. Articles describing the concert show file photos of the judge at different, earlier events.
    We owe this woman grace but her worshippers should be roasted without mercy once the truth comes out: Nukyuler Saddam, Grateful Iraq, Bryan Williams, Russian Hackers, Smirking Sandmann, and now Immortal Ruth.

  136. J.Ross says: • Website
    @AnotherDad

    CBS poll: 76% approve of speech. It was a truly presidential, universally directed speech, not just for his rally-goers.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  137. Corn says:
    @istevefan

    “ So in 1976 there must have been people who were within living memory of the European-Indian wars. ”

    Frederick Fraske was considered by the Army to be the last surviving veteran of the Indian Wars. He died at the age of 101 in 1973.

    So yes, I would certainly think there would have been people alive with at least faint memories of the Indian Wars well into the 1980s.

  138. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lot

    Well if someone wrote a book about it, it must be — wait, you’re not International Jew!
    I find it’s over-used, but I have met actual Vietnam vets who are otherwise credible people (one was a lawyer and college history professor, which doesn’t guarantee truthfulness but does suggest a more rigorous understanding of the reliability of memories and statements) who insist it personally happened to them.

  139. @Charles Pewitt

    I attended a Nets game in the late ’70s, SRO, and standing nearby was a fellow with young two sons and Hudson Valley lockjaw. He called the younger son Covington, or, alternatively, Cubby.

    It’s almost like he was showing off, but in a severely restrained way. Social constipation.

  140. Generally fascinating, this also describes the history of the Navajo/Apache, who had recently migrated south (following the Rockies?) to the southwest. In other words, they hadn’t been there for very long.

    Blood and Thunder: The Epic Story of Kit Carson and the Conquest of the American West – by Hampton Sides

  141. Mr. Blank says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    When I was in college, I once did a research project where I had to go back and read probably a hundred or so old newspapers from the the early 20th century. It is really eye-opening to compare what’s written in history books to the unvarnished accounts of people living at the time. It was like the difference between a pencil sketch of the Eiffel Tower and a massive high-resolution color photograph. There are so many tiny, seemingly inconsequential details that get left out of standard history that collectively add incredible depth. Even little things like the placement of advertisements, or the style in which baseball games are written up — things which might not tell you much by themselves — convey an amazingly rich and complicated picture when viewed en masse.

    What I took away from it is that no history book can possibly convey the complexity of a past age. At best they’re all rough sketches designed to highlight the author’s particular agenda. If you want the most complete picture possible, there’s no replacement for primary, contemporaneous sources.

  142. J1234 says:
    @Anthony Wayne

    Good comment. The left is unbelievably dismissive of facts and reality when it implies that the main false narrative surrounding the Covington incident is that conservatives believe the media spreads fake news…not the narrative that people wearing MAGA hats are essentially belligerent neo-klan members.

    The media coverage was so pernicious that even the school’s administrators condemned and rebuked their own students before assembling the facts, taking the initial media assessment at face value. The author portrays the kid’s parents as wealthy enablers who got their kid out of a jam that was his fault. Meanwhile, Gillette spent how much on that toxicity ad?

  143. TheBoom says:
    @Anonymous

    Sadly, this species of messaging relies on the old racist thinking that a cabal of Jews run the media, banking

    So not wanting to destroy the lives of innocent white boys is anti Semitic. Good to know

  144. @Reg Cæsar

    Hah!

    https://travsd.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/stars-of-vaudeville-405-billy-cheese-and-crackers-hagan/

    Hagan’s then-profane shtick, or so an old timer told me, was to glance down his trousers and exclaim “Jeez!”

  145. @AnotherDad

    The syphilis epidemic was one of the worst human tragedies in the history of Europe IMO.

    As for the actual death counts, both are difficult to pin down, but both were definitely in the millions. Some estimates for syph in Europe seem to exceed 5 million.

    Remember that syphilis was killing Europeans for what, 450 years? How long did the North American smallpox epidemic last?

    There is also the question of per-capita versus overall mortality.

    • Replies: @Anon
  146. Steve, it’d be cool if you could host the Academy Awards this year — there’s still time!

    Pardon my direction: You’re standing, with a stern facial expression, looking out over SF Bay. The camera pans, and comes to rest on the “Indians welcome” weathered graffiti on the walls of Alcatraz. Cut back to you, as you bow your head…

    A few quick frames of the pride of Sicily, Iron Eyes Cody, and one of his glycerin tears…

    Back to you. You raise an eyebrow, like Spock.

    “Folks, let’s give a big round of applause for Nathan Phillips!”

    (Animal-skinned tom toms heard, stage left. Volume grows…)

    Enter Phillips, bangin’ away. Back in the theater, the crowd roars approval, and all stand, clapping like seals. Nation heals.

  147. @Charles Pewitt

    How ’bout a preliminary 4-way: Sandmann, Phillips, AOC, and a volunteer Black Hebrew. Couple of suggested topics: “Retreat from the Nile” and “Who is a true, bonafide, CNN certified member of the twelve tribes of Israel.” Multiple rounds to determine winner, who will face Trump for the “Moral conscience of America” title.

  148. Lagertha says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    OT sort of. Hahaa. Not kidding: my dog was one the THURSTON COUNTY 13. He was the sire, and all the people you see are part of a wonderful org called HUA (Hearts United for Animals) in Nebraska.

    The owner is mentally ill, and, the dogs’ braying helped far-flung (it is Nebraska) neighbors alert the state police. My beloved, one of the best dogs I ever had, is one of them…kind of obvious ;). He’s dead now, as he had cancer/was old & arthritic. He was so loving, so excellent, his eyes followed me all day – we had him 3 years and 4 months until I absolutely, had to euthanize him because he could not really walk anymore. He was 125 pounds (he shrank to 90 by the last weeks) when I got him, but, I remember that my daddy said “one can not carry an old animal around, anymore, once they can not walk.” Anyway, I love the idea of labeling groups by #’s.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  149. Alfa158 says:
    @Jack D

    The official press release after her lung surgery specifically said that two malignant nodules were removed and that there would be no further treatment. That wording means that she is being kept comfortable.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    , @Jack D
  150. @Anon

    “Discredited” You are still thinking that they operate by our rules, by logic, some sense of honour…no. They don’t care about being “discredited”. They will repeat the same lie, double down, blast it from every mouthpiece, and actively work to censor the ones that oppose them. The same ideology and tribe binds social media, publishing, advertising, Hollywood, television, news, etc. They can’t even be discredited because they suffocate the conversation before it has any legs. How many ‘woke up’ because of the Kavanaugh debacle? It’s been erased, memoryholed.

    You still have no idea what you’re up against.

  151. @Jack D

    There were zero pictures of this event, but it 100% really happened and she was really there uh huh.

  152. @Mr. Blank

    It’s interesting that when I take my bird dog walking or hunting, she’ll sniff out places she’s found game on previous excursions. Dogs have a sense of history, and likely disseminate this knowledge in some way to offspring or other pack members. Why do humans communicate knowledge of history, or fact, to those they don’t know and will never know?

    • Replies: @Svigor
  153. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anon

    Ignorance is the reason people agree to work at public school. There is always a huge drop-off of newly minted teachers who are exposed to public school and many of those that stay are not necessarily stronger but less economically flexible. Society does everything it can to prevent teaching.

  154. Lagertha says:
    @Alfa158

    had gone thru this with my mother. If you can not come to something like the SOTU address, you can not get off a bed, or brush your teeth or something. My mother went from walking, to bed, to death in 6 weeks. And, she was small/frail like RBG – my mother was probably 75lbs when she entered hospice. RBG should have her children come near.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  155. @AnotherDad

    It sounds like Justice Ginsberg has a case of that John Henryism. I bet she could have given that steam-drill a run for its money back on the old Chesapeake & Ohio line.

  156. @AnotherDad

    As demonstrated by the North American large mammal specie that exist only in fossil form, and the multitude of races who exist as a minor component of DNA, if at all, with languages long forgotten. Replacement is the essence of time.

  157. Anon[419] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Blank

    Re newspapers.

    I was watching the television one day when a most-wanted criminal was apprehended inside a motel. The clerk who recognized him was on the street being interviewed.

    That night the motel manager was interviewed on the news about it.

    The next day I read a newspaper account of it.

    Each one was different, the point of recognition, whether the clerk walked over to visually recheck before calling the cops, whether the cops walked over and looked and came back to the desk or arrested right away, whether the clerk followed the cops, whether the perp was arrested in the motel on on the street outside walking to do some shopping or in the motel.

    I believed the clerk’s version since he was there, and he was nervous, and he didn’t have any reason to lie. The manager had business reasons to lie, although the changes in his version didn’t really change it to anything more favorable to his business. I guess he just didn’t know all the facts and felt compelled to say something. The newspaper maybe got it from the manager, with added changes, or from the cops, maybe from a cop who wasn’t there or who was a press liason.

    At any rate, that original interview with the clerk is buried in an archive no one will ever see, the clerk is probably still alive but nobody will everr track him down and interview him, and the newspaper version is what will be considered the truth in the future.

    There was nothing that important or earth shattering about this incident, but I think the prinicple that the truth cannot be known even 24 hours later applies.

    • Replies: @anon1
    , @Mr. Blank
  158. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lagertha

    Even if this stunt delays rightful replacement it opens the question of retaining lifetime appointment into an age where medical science changes the meaning of “lifetime.” Isn’t Ariel Sharon technically still alive?

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  159. Anon[419] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Nathan Phillips is not being sued.

    He’s judgment-proof, no money, living in a Section 8 place.

    PR wise it’s best not to sue him, I suppose. But hey, I’d like to see him get sued.

    That Rolling Stone “rape victim” was never sued. That just doesn’t seem right to me.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  160. Svigor says:
    @Jack D

    Her first public appearance in like a month, right?

    Pics or it didn’t happen, amirite? I mean how can there possibly be no pics of her first appearance in a month, a month fraught with wingnut speculation that she’s deader than Bernie (as in, Weekend At), speculation acknowledged and dismissed by (((Big Media))), if it happened?

    I mean I don’t usually go in for conspiracy theories (I have a hard enough time getting the goyim to believe obvious facts), but it’s pretty damned odd that there are no pics. NOT ONE URINALIST TOOK A PHONE PIC?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anon
  161. Lagertha says:
    @J.Ross

    hahaaa – you believe I am a bimbo and I get it that you hate me*. Why do you waste time/space to even respond to a random post of mine? FO. I had liked and respected all of you; but then you all showed me that you just really hate people like me; many others who you don’t consider intelligent enough…or anyone else who ventures on to your hallowed ground.

    BTW, my Thurston Country 13 is my swan song to y’all. I am so tired of angry white men 😉

    * and others

  162. Svigor says:
    @Barnard

    This. The (((media’s))) starting to make me think there’s something to this “She’s Dead, Jim” thing.

    Change my mind. Don’t even think about relying on facts not in evidence (e.g., (((Big Media’s))) non-existent credibility).

    • Replies: @BB753
  163. Svigor says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The limit is as far north as the northernmost negro.

  164. Svigor says:
    @Lot

    I can love them from afar (learned it from Jews).

  165. Svigor says:
    @GourmetDan

    NAMs play the race-card because they know Whites will fall for it, far more often than not. What they actually think is tangential (Whites tend to project their own tendency toward logic and honest dealing onto non-Whites).

  166. MBlanc46 says:
    @Lagertha

    Don’t let the door….

    • Disagree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Lagertha
    , @Lagertha
  167. anon1 says:

    Those black men were a bunch of bullies and cowards. They wouldn’t go into a Hells Angels clubhouse and talk shit like that, but some white Catholic school teenagers…..

  168. Svigor says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    The Pawnee had the Morning Star Ceremony, where they kidnapped a young girl from a neighboring tribe and sacrificed her. Typically they shot her full of arrows until she died, which is a pretty horrible, slow way to die.

  169. Lurker says:
    @Lagertha

    How do you get that from J.Ross’s comment? Have I missed something?

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  170. Svigor says:
    @Lot

    I should support Zionism because I support ethnonationalism and self-determination for all peoples.

    I can’t support Zionism because Jews are so very, very crucial to the movement to suppress and demonize ethnonationalism for my people.

  171. Since when did a man’s presence in Vietnam, real or imaginary, become “fought for us” for the left?

    Nobody in this whole story had anything negative to say about the Hebrews’ condemnation of “homosexuality”. Do they mean to imply that the Hebrews are right? I’ll be glad to support them on this one!

    • Replies: @Svigor
  172. Svigor says:
    @Lurker

    I miss pre-Boomerang Eddie Murphy. He always went for the laughs, wherever they were to be found.

  173. Svigor says:
    @Neil Templeton

    Why do humans communicate knowledge of history, or fact, to those they don’t know and will never know?

    What an interesting way of putting the question!

  174. Svigor says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Around the time the CIA went from “baby killers” to heroes?

    I kid. It’s always been about whatever’s convenient, and when (Who-Whom?).

  175. anon1 says:
    @Cloudbuster

    Very good point. In any case it is 100% true.

  176. anon1 says:
    @Anon

    Two quick stories about the media. My sister lives in a suburb of eastern Toronto. Some guy in her area was murdered. Not a relative but had the same last name. Reporters called her several times asking about her feelings on her “murdered relative”. Another time some guy across the street from her grabbed a woman and held her with a knife to her throat. The standoff lasted for some time. Reporters were all over my sisters property asking for her “reaction” to the event. She tried to explain she hadn’t witnessed the event and didn’t know the people. They wouldn’t leave her alone, even following her into her garage one reporter saying he needed to have something for his editor.. Finally she just babbled something about how “brave” the woman was. It was the second top line in the story.

  177. Mr. Blank says:
    @Anon

    Correct. I’m not speaking specifically about the capital-T Truth. Even knowing that a lot of what I read in those old papers was false or misleading, the overall picture you get from reading them, the perspective of people who were there and watching all this happening in real time, with no awareness or concern about what someone decades later would think — it’s just tremendously informative. It would be damn-near impossible to capture that in a book-size historical survey.

    It’s also really humbling because it forces you to confront the fact that some substantial portion of our current consensus will look utterly ridiculous decades from now. There is a tremendous temptation when reading or writing about the past to view things in ahistorical terms — to assume on some subconscious level that people back then really, in their heart of hearts, saw things the way we do and that when they acted and spoke and wrote as if they didn’t, it was all some big put on, an act of bad faith. But no, reading page after page of contemporaneous material forces one to confront the fact that, no, our ancestors actually DID believe some shockingly unmodern things deep in their bones — which forces you to confront the fact that YOU, the present-day reader, have a number of sincere, deeply-held beliefs that will be the butt of jokes a century from now. Which leads directly to the question, what ARE those beliefs? If you had to put money on it, which ones do you secretly doubt?

    Which is probably why the Left has such an interest in erasing historical memory. They don’t want people drawing those analogies to their present-day dogma.

  178. Anonymous[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Trump: “I want people to come into our country in the largest numbers ever, but they have to come in legally.” He also talked about how low black, hispanic and asian unemployment is (no mention of white unemployment), celebrated the high number of women in the workforce, bragged about releasing black drug dealers from prison, and pledged to “end HIV”. There’s basically no difference between Trump and Obama at this point.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  179. Lagertha says:
    @MBlanc46

    …close on you… never having someone wanting your ass – ass, might be ok, but not children, god no.

  180. Lagertha says:
    @Lurker

    Backtracking – tired of the same old haters hating on me. I don’t need it.

  181. istevefan says:
    @AnotherDad

    Someone once tried to point out the difference between an honor culture like islam and the guilt culture of Christians. That probably explains why one group is having a collective nervous breakdown over its past while the other is not.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  182. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Barnard

    CNN will do what it’s insurance companies and attorneys tell it to do

    Plaintiffs sue defendants but the defendants insurance companies decide to fight or settle. In this case the only evidence of anything is the videos.

    And whatever the point of view be a White hating liberal or an ardent White nationalist like me. All the video shows is Nick standing while the Indian moves up on him.
    The Indian claims the boys blocked his way up the steps but all videos show the boys were standing to the side and there was plenty of room on the steps and indeed people were freely walking up the steps.

    Nick just stood there Nick and Phillips didn’t touch.

    The White hating liberal Jews have no defense other than the sight of a White teen boy in a magazine hat he bought that day from one of the many vendors triggered their inherent insanity.

    They will settle quickly because of the death threats punch his face plus child endangerment.

  183. Svigor says:
    @istevefan

    Shame culture (non-)))Whites((() is external; no neuroticism without external stimuli, e.g. getting caught.
    Guilt culture ((((Whites)))) is internal; the neuroticism requires no external stimuli.

  184. duncsbaby says:
    @Anon

    How incredibly unlikely is it that Trump would change political parties? I doubt it’s gonna happen but who knows? It’s not like the guy has been a life-long Republican. He talks a lot & usually says the right things from an immigration-restrictionist stand point, but otherwise he doesn’t seem to be really passionate about the standard Republican issues. The fact that this little cub-reporter thinks that such a scenario is beyond the pale when it comes to Trump shows that he isn’t that imaginative of a thinker and is just another point that shoots holes in his whole bullshit “dark magic” scenario.

  185. Lagertha says:
    @MBlanc46

    yeah, yeah, yeah. Noticed that many of you were complaining that “dumber” people were posting comments on Steve’s blog the last 3 years. Steve’s loss. Just tired of some of you (you so know who you are) enjoy making disparaging remarks about me; or anyone else you just don’t plain, think is smart enough to be making comments here. Good luck fighting the world that hates you, and if you are lucky to have kids, may God help you, because those kids don’t realize how rude you are. I learned that smug and annoying people just bring me down; so, why bother anymore?

  186. anon[752] • Disclaimer says:

    ““Staring derisively”? I guess “sneering” has expired from overuse.”

    Probably the guy just thought two words would make him sound smarter than one. American Leftists desire praise from contemporaries above all else, so they end up contorting their language, dress, and style far beyond what is necessary. They love the idea of sounding smart; hence, they buy middle-tier Thomas Friedman books, complain about Climate Change(TM) at every opportunity, and consult a thesaurus before penning even the briefest of missives. In this case, an anti-thesaurus. Style > substance.

  187. anon[752] • Disclaimer says:

    “CBS poll: 76% approve of speech. It was a truly presidential, universally directed speech, not just for his rally-goers.”

    Pelosi made a fool of herself, though. And not for the first time. Trump couldn’t ask for a better foil. One could almost think it was orchestrated.

  188. Anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:

    Great vid by the PR team, and I wouldn’t be surprised to vote Sandmann 2040.
    That said….
    …. and I got blasted for posting this in a prior thread…
    … the Indian guy comes off way better in this music vid.
    Obviously he is lying in the vid above, repeatedly. But are Indians all liars? Do they just not care? Did he do too many drugs?
    I am genuinely puzzled as to why Indians would act like such f***tards. I have both Indian ancestors and white ancestors killed by them and it puzzles me.

  189. Moses says:
    @Anonymous

    Sadly, this species of messaging relies on the old racist thinking that a cabal of Jews run the media

    Facts are racist now?

    Jews *do* run the media. Look at the CEOs of the top 20 media corporations and Hollywood studios, not to mention Google, Youtube and Facebook.

    Jews running the media is the way it should be. It’s good for the Jews.

  190. Antonius says:
    @J.Ross

    Good grief! To be ‘woke’ is to be masochistic!

  191. ic1000 says:
    @utu

    > Nathan Phillips is not being sued.

    It was some Biblical figure or other who said “Washed-out potheads with chips on their shoulders and fabulist tendencies will always be with us.” Or something.

    I’ll be much happier to see influential and privileged figures penalized for the malice they directed towards Sandmann, as an individual and as an Enemy Of The People.

  192. @Mr. Blank

    This. Over the last 20 or so years, I’ve gradually weaned myself off of the sewer tee-vee and movie culture and have been devouring history of all kinds. My reading list is too long and getting longer; now I’ll have to go buy the taming of the American continent books recommended in this thread. Nothing, absolutely nothing, can beat on-the-ground first-person accounts of what actually happened in a historical moment as it happened. I’m trying to build a reservoir of knowledge to pass on to my kids so they can keep the knowledge alive if the dark times come.

  193. donut says:
    @Jack D

    RBG was a steel driving woman .

  194. @Lagertha

    Gravel Gertie (winky smiley face), I’ll bet you have more friends and well-wishers here than you think. The comments here need an upvote feature, like we had with Disqus at Takimag. With Disqus, you could hover over your upvote number to see the names of those who upvoted your comment. It helps to make it clear who your friends are, and also helps to develop a general sense of comradeship among the regulars.

    If you’re a creative type who likes to do poems and drawrings, upvotes are the equivalent of applause.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  195. Brutusale says:
    @GourmetDan

    You’d go a long way before you’d find someone as publically racist as this noble savage.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Landham

  196. @El Dato

    That too. Horrible times/places have heroes to fit.

    The CovCath kids come away looking like suckups to the zeitgeist. In other words, normal teenagers.

    Of course the real culprit is the bus company.

  197. @AndrewR

    The Schwarzenegger experience argues otherwise. I’d put the chances at around 20%. It would require Trump being significantly more popular than the Ds, progtards becoming pariahs, and Rs continuing to suck.

    None of the above are impossible.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  198. Corn says:
    @The Alarmist

    “Black Hebrew Israelites: “The Bible condemns homosexuality, man!”
    Covington Students: “They’re still humans.””

    I was struck by that too.

    The Covington kids actually defended the tolerant treatment of gays! I bet that made a lot of liberal brains explode. Those kids being both Catholic and Kentuckians alot of libs probably assumed they keep nooses in their backpacks for impromptu gay lunchings.

    Does not compute……….does not compute…………

    • Replies: @Anon
  199. AndrewR says:
    @Desiderius

    I’m not sure what you mean. From what I’ve read, Schwarzenegger has identified as a Republican since he was fresh off the boat.

  200. BB753 says:
    @donut

    To be fair, these Black Israelites spew the same nonsense as Black Muslims and some Black Christians. They’re drawn to BS like flies to manure. Must be in their DNA.

  201. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Roderick Spode

    Don’t forget the Indians gave us that vile dreadful vicious addictive cancer causing weed , tobacco!!!!!!!

  202. @Neuday

    …before Van Riebek landed at the Cape of Good Hope, the whole of South Africa was in the hands of savages, a people, be it noted, who were not living in Arcadian simplicity, a peaceful happy race amongst whom crime and misery were unknown quantities, but on the contrary, who were a prey to cruel superstitions, involving a constant sacrifice of innocent life, and who were, moreover, continually exposed to all the horrors of intertribal wars. Now an orderly civilisation has been established over a large area of this once completely savage country, and no one but an ignorant fanatic would, I think, assert that its present condition is not preferable from a humanitarian point of view to its former barbarism.

    We Europeans make the mistake of thinking that, when we free a tribe of savages from what we consider a most oppressive and tyrannical form of government, substituting in its place an orderly rule, under which every man’s life and property is protected and witch-doctors are not recognised, we ought to earn their gratitude; but the fact is we invariably fail to do so…

    Selous, Frederick Courteney. Sunshine and Storm in Rhodesia: Being a Narrative of Events in Matabeleland Both Before and During the Recent Native Insurrection (1896)

  203. @AndrewR

    Trump should consider leaving the GOP and becoming an independent in 2021 if the GOP continues to obstruct his agenda.

    • Agree: vinteuil, Desiderius
  204. sayless says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I always wondered, What did they have to fight about??

    The land was fantastically rich, and enormous. Plenty of everything for everyone, including living space.

    Conclusion: They liked fighting, conquering, rapine, and abduction.

    So does everyone else.

  205. @Anonymous

    If your business is high-end golf courses and hotels, immigration is fine. Your high-end property just gets more pricey. That’s why I keep stressing that the “cheap labor” argument is over-worked. Trump is a developer, and developers benefit from the immigration-induced churn. The normie goofball who just got barely elected governor of GA is a developer. No empty space is safe.

  206. sayless says:
    @Anon

    Russell Means died the week that Hurricane Sandy hit the East Coast but it wasn’t much-remarked upon.

    His autobiography is interesting and went through seventeen printings. Alex Jones interviewed him extensively and created a two-hour documentary with the footage; Means said it was the best treatment of himself and the American Indian Movement he’d seen. It’s worth a look.

    • Replies: @Anon
  207. sayless says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    No, it’s not a false narrative. Those things really happened.

  208. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    One thing I’ve noticed about justice Ginsburg. The media always talks about her personal trainer.

    That’s not a personal trainer. It’s 24/7 registered nurse caretakers.

    “walks a mile a day”. Ginsburg walks 20 feet using her walker with a caretaker 2 ft behind to catch her if she falls. Then she sits and rests for 15 minutes and walks another 20 ft.

  209. L Woods says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Yeah, wow, what a life. Compliant sycophants get glittering careers at the summit of the institutions while “based” non-conformists ‘win’ by grubbing around with leaky water heaters. The boomer cringe is strong.

  210. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lagertha

    It’s always so sad when dogs die and to watch them get old. Last year I took a beloved family dog to the vets a day after he seemed groggy and in pain. By great good luck the X ray machine and tech were there. Bear had very fast acting lymph cancer. The vet told me he was incurable and should be put down. I knew his owner Mommy would be devasted and she was. They did one of those at home euthanasia things, like a funeral with candles and flowers.

    Diagnosis was Friday early afternoon the death not till Sunday evening. They had like a wake all day Saturday and Sunday with friends and neighbors coming by to say goodbye. Bear was zoned out in pain killers and several young teen girls stayed all day. Bear loves cookies so the girls made cookies and fed him by hand for 2 days. That was a great comfort to owner Mommy.
    Mommy’s husband really came through like a champ throughout. Great guy

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  211. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @sayless

    Glad he’s finally dead. His big thing was he and his thugs went to a to reservation to which they had no tribal affiliations and took it over by violence and murder. That was after Means ran for office in a couple tribes with which he was affiliated and lost.

    It was as if he ran for office in town A lost and moved to town B . Ran for office and lost in town B then arrived in town C with his thugs and took over city hall and proclaimed himself mayor chief administrator and police chief

    Naive ignorant White liberals loved Means but he couldn’t get elected to the smallest tribal position by Indians.
    Old French saying, “ Don’t listen to what he says. Watch what he does”
    Or reality vs rhetoric.

    • Replies: @sayless
  212. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lagertha

    The Chinese American vet who diagnosed Bear with fast acting lymph cancer told us that the cancer was caused by Chinese imported dog food that contains cancerous materials.

    He said the Chinese dog food has caused a cancer epidemic in American dogs. Dogs can eat raw chicken bones because raw bones don’t splinter. So now they buy raw chickens on sale and keep them in the freezer and raw turkey necks which are like 2 ft long. Lots of people just buy whatever meat is on sale to avoid the cancerous Chinese dry dog food.

    More wonders of globalism and high IQ hard working Chinese supermen.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  213. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corn

    We all know what would have happened if the boys had been from some public high school in a wealthy Jewish suburb like one of the 5 towns on Long Island NY or Highland Park or Winnetks Ill on a regular school trip and black Israelites had insulted them for an hour and a deranged homeless Indian had banged a drum and waved a stick inches from Nick Shapiro’s face.

    Imagine the weeping wailing and caterwauling about anti Semitism. Sob sob sob how can the Indians and blacks and other minorities that we led against the evil Whites betray us like this sob sob sob

  214. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @donut

    I know very well that the parents aren’t paying out of pocket for the attorneys and paralegals. The attorneys are working on contingency knowing the defendants have very deep pocket insurance companies. Go to the archive and read all my posts about Covington Catholic boys. From the very first I’ve writtn that Sandemann’s attorneys will work on contingency. Anyone with the slightest w perinve in business and legal problems knows that. Read my previous posts

    What the parents did need money for was to find and pay that excellent PR firm just a couple days after the incident happened. And that took immediate cash payment. Remember, it’s not the attorneys arranging the TV appearances and videos.

  215. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @donut

    I’ve read all the Flashmsn books loved them.

  216. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @donut

    I’ve read all the Flashmsn books loved them.

  217. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @donut

    As well
    as being a PO, I’ve been a landlord more than 40 years which is why I’m very familiar with litigation. As a defendant I’ve never paid a penny to the plaintiffs. As a plaintiff I’ve always won.

    Read my past posts about the Covington incident before making your ignorant assumption that I don’t know about attorneys taking cases on contingency

    • Replies: @donut
  218. BB753 says:
    @Svigor

    LOL at “She’s dead, Jim”!

  219. Jack D says:
    @Svigor

    Pictures were not permitted at the event. Numerous reporters attest to seeing her there:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/02/06/ruth-bader-ginsburg-was-seen-public-monday-conspiracy-theorists-still-insist-shes-dead/?utm_term=.a107700f04f1

    The lady is not in good health and the reporters are shielding her, clearly (they didn’t say whether she walked in or was wheeled in) but she is not dead. When her time comes, her loving family will give her a prompt and dignified burial as she deserves. Claiming she is dead is only going to make you look stupid when she is seen in public a few weeks from now.

  220. Jack D says:
    @Barnard

    Weekend at Bernie’s works for a weekend (and even then only in the movies), but President Kamala’s inauguration is 2 years away. What’s the plan here? Are they going to keep her mouldering corpse on ice until Jan 2021?

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  221. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    It’s true that raw chicken bones don’t splinter but you pretty much have to assume that raw American chicken has salmonella because of the way that it is raised and processed. After the chickens are slaughtered they dump them in a giant “chill vat” of cold water to soak up as much water as possible (ostensibly to chill the chicken but actually so that they can sell you water for $1.49/lb – each package only has a few ounces of water but in the course of a year it adds up to million of extra $). If one chicken in the vat is infected, now they are all infected.

    In Japan OTOH they can safely serve you chicken sushi because they run their system in a way that does not result in infected animals. Tne USDA solution is to cook everything to death so it’s fine to sell you infected meat.

    An all chicken meat diet is not really best for dogs anyway. In the wild, wolves eat the intestines of their prey, which contain a lot of vegetable matter , and the internal organs. In fact they eat those first, before they eat the meat. Meat alone is not a balanced diet, not even for dogs. And some dogs are actually allergic to chicken. Dogs are evolved to hang around humans and should eat a diet that is similar to a (healthy) human diet, which is not an all raw chicken diet.

    • Replies: @Anon
  222. vinteuil says: • Website
    @Jack D

    What’s the plan here? Are they going to keep her mouldering corpse on ice until Jan 2021?

    Would it surprise you?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  223. Jack D says:
    @vinteuil

    Yes it would. Be real here. Yes, there really are conspiracies in Washington but that’s too big to pull off. Could they hide this for a day or two? Maybe. But 2 years. Out of the question.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  224. sayless says:
    @Anon

    Yes, Means was well-hated by a lot of Indians.

    • Replies: @Anon
  225. Jack D says:
    @Alfa158

    That’s not what they said. They said that it was caught early (luckily she had x-rays done the last time she fell and broke some ribs and the nodules showed up on the x-rays) and had not spread so she wouldn’t need any further treatment. The woman is clearly not in good health and may die soon anyway (as may we all) but she is not going to die from this cancer, which was removed.

    Her main problem now is that when you are 85 years old and in frail health and you have major surgery you don’t bounce right back from it. If she was 35 and had this exact thing happen to her she would be back playing tennis by now and would never have to think of it again, but she ain’t 35 anymore.

  226. vinteuil says: • Website
    @Jack D

    that’s too big to pull off. Could they hide this for a day or two? Maybe. But 2 years. Out of the question.

    Yeah, probly so.

  227. Dan Hayes says:

    When RBG dies her funeral observances will extend much, much beyond her burial. John McCain’s extended funeral services will pale by comparison.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  228. Neuday says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Ok, here’s what’s been most recent. Perhaps not great literature, but I read these before sleep to calm my mind. Also, they’re either free on project gutenberg or very low cost on Amazon, because not spending money calms my mind. In no order:

    Red Men and White, Owen Wister (perhaps not as historic)
    Pony Tracks, Frederic Remington
    The Way of an Indian, Frederic Remington
    Nine Years Among the Indians 1879-1879, Hermann Lehman
    The Indian War of 1864, Eugene Ware (very good book)

    I also found this interesting, about a woman captured by Indians in 1755 at the age of 12:
    http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks/w00087.html

  229. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @ic1000

    I liked the part in the video where Phillips just happens to be walking by a college costume party and accosts the students and they don’t respond. Then Phillips whines that the college police didn’t do anything g about the disrespectful costumes.

  230. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    If you look at the long video some one kindly posted on another thread it’s obvious Phillips his cameraman and the other Indians tried to set up the boys.

    Phillips followed by his cameraman and Demi stratigraphy left the Black Israelites and walked towards the Covington kids. The cameraman was filming. As Phillips waved the stick in Nick’s face other Indians yelled at the boys “ you stole our land” and tried to get the boys to argue so the cameraman could film them.

    It was just a an unexpected convergence The Indians took advantage to set the boys up so their cameraman could film a racist event. But Nick said not a word and the other boys followed his example.

  231. Jack D says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Jewish custom calls for prompt burial. The Orthodox (like the Muslims) take this to mean right away, before sundown if possible but even less observant Jews rarely tarry long. There are probably going to be a lot of memorial services but they are not going to be flying her mortal remains around from place to place for a week like they did with McCain.

    • Replies: @Anon
  232. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan Adams

    I read about David Reimier. The botched circumcisum was horrible but the Dr took advantage of the parents and ruined the family. David really resented his parents for going along with the Dr.

  233. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lagertha

    Nobody thinks you’re dumb: we fear you’re drunk. If Steve has a dumb box I am surely in it too, but it’s a better place to be than where you’d put IYI Da Sein. I have a pretty brainless still-moderated comment in a thread further up, which is stupid on purpose. It’s an uninformed first reaction to the premise, which I think is a useful pulse to occasionally take, even if it just reveals ignorance. And while it sits in moderation it is vindicated by more informed, experienced, and articulate commenters as fundamentally correct.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  234. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    I’m sure you’re right about raw chicken and turkey necks. But that’s what the vet recommended. Bear had his twice yearly check up just 2 weeks before he died with his regular vet. The vet who diagnosed the cancer said lymph cancer can spread in just 10 days.

    They give the dogs other meat when it’s in sale also leftover human food, but no more dog food.
    If they’re selling us cancer causing dog food what else are the Chinese selling us.

  235. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @sayless

    I forget which reservation he took over. When he did, he and his friends killed people! Nothing to like about him.

  236. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    That McCain thing was just ghastly. Reminded me of some ancient Pagan Chinese Roman Emperor Pharoah thing.

    Maybe it was a reward for losing to Obama?

  237. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    Justice Ginsburg isn’t half as bad as KKK klavern Hugo Black and the worst of the worst male Catholic Brennan who created disproportionate representation as clear and present evidence of discrimination this setting affirmative action in stone forever and ever. Another majority opinion of his claimed the 14th amendment doesn’t apply to Whites. Then there’s the justices who ruled on the Louisiana Slaughter house case. Regean’s appointee O’Connor was as bad as Brennan re: affirmative action.

    In the context of the Supreme Court she’s not as purely evil as Brennan and some of the others.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  238. @J.Ross

    It was the kind of speech an incumbent makes going toward the next election.

  239. Lurker says:
    @the one they call Desanex

    Disqus definitely builds community, builds networks.

  240. Dan Hayes says:
    @Anon

    Anon[257]:

    During RBG’s confirmation hearings a work colleague stated that unisex bathrooms were her goal and mission in life. Little did he realize that that would prove to be only preliminary foreplay.

    • Replies: @Anon
  241. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Really? She was appointed 25 years ago when trannies just took their hormones had the operation and bought new wardrobes and quietly passed as women

    But what’s worse? Brennan, O’Connor and the rest of the affirmative action representatives of Satan on earth who made it illegal to employ a White man or uni sex bathrooms for a few thousand trannies who go out of their way not to look like women but to look like men.

  242. @Stan Adams

    I believe Money was also one of the earliest to push for the use of “gender” (which pertains to language) where the correct word would be “sex”. If you wish to know if someone is male or female, you wish to know their sex, not”gender”.

    • Replies: @BB753
  243. Lagertha says:
    @J.Ross

    I reacted to an exchange you had with several regular commenters, laughing about me and donut (who, I do not know; and, not flattering stuff) but I hate shit like that from men like you, who I don’t know.

    After 5 years, I thought you guys at least, tolerated me. However, it was several posts before – I have a tendency to look back – that you pissed me off.

    I over-react because I am hypo-manic; IOTW very intense. It is not something I am proud of, and my cousins have the same behavior. We are never cruel or dismissive; on the contrary, we are too caring and feeling.

    Steve, more or less, drew me into this site because he took one of my comments (several years ago) from a different blog onto his blog (I got blogged, maybe not in a good way)…because I was attacked by a lot of commenters.

    Everyone (especially the original blogger) told me to beware of turbulence and bad stuff to hit you. I naively, thought people were magnanimous; I was so wrong.

    I admit that drinking makes me excitable; however, I have been conscious of this for 15 years. I try to limit my alcohol intake and be conscious of it when alone, or with people – this goes back 30 years. I am being sincere here, with you. I am not an alcoholic but I know the pitfalls of alcoholism.

    I can’t change the fact that I am hyper sensitive because I am hyper-manic (there are no depressive episodes for people who are hyper manic). It is something that is not really “out there” in the public, at all. What it means: one can feel things with great emotion, react (bad for me; duh, you noticed) and expound with a copious amount of information/data/thought.

    Anyway, tired right now. And, I left that vid up of the dogs who were starving….so. I still have hope that people are good, but if people must feel good when they put others down, then I leave those situations. I prefer to be alone which scares me as self-isolating is comfortable.

  244. Lagertha says:

    before I got cut off: we are the type of people who killed themselves. However, hypomanic people are not suicidal….which is both salvation and a curse.

    Don’t get me wrong, @J.Ross, I do not consider myself a genius. But, I do consider myself a tearful idiot when I hear this:

    I think every artist (who did not kill themselves) was/is hypomanic…I have seen evidence for this for years if not centuries. Think about it: everyone you knew when you were growing up would talk about the “arty people” or person; that one person who could not fit into the community. And, that person took care of the house/pets/garden, whatever, and, that person never asked for anything…was never a parasite in their neighborhood but was creative.

  245. Lagertha says:
    @Anon

    oh my god! It is so tough to euthanize your dog. My vet (I live semi-rural) comes to the house so I can hold my dogs (many were over 125 pounds) when they were way past their age expiration.

    Feeding dogs is an issue. I adopt old dogs; and, I feed them steak, chicken, whatever Stop ‘n Shop has on sale! Just feed them meat. Salmon is good, too. At the end of their lives, non-GMO/Organic/Free-range don’t mattah. Hugs mattah, right, JRoss, Twinkie, all you irritating men?

  246. Lagertha says:

    I am really, really, rilly angry that Vincent did not get even, fracking, nominated for animation for the Oscars 2018!!!!

  247. BB753 says:
    @William Badwhite

    Using the term “gender” for “sex” has got to be one of the worst recent developments in everyday language ans scientific literature. Even Steve Seiler writes gender instead of sex. Sad.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  248. donut says:
    @Anon

    Well maybe I misunderstood . When you wrote “The entire thing proves my point in the “ educated vs wealthy parents” Only wealth parents saved Nick. We
    ( husband and I) wouldn’t have the had the money to help any of our kids in that situation.” I got the impression you were saying “only wealth parents saved Nick” . Sorry , BTW by po I meant poor , other than a Police Officer I didn’t know there was a PO . My bad .
    On a completely different tack . It’s a tragedy that we don’t have a Tom Wolfe to write a great novel about these times .

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