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From Politico:

Donors ask GOP consulting firm to research independent presidential bid

A group of Republicans is moving quickly to research ballot-access requirements for independent candidates in case Trump wraps up the GOP nomination next month.

By SCOTT BLAND 02/26/16 12:44 PM EST

Conservative donors have engaged a major GOP consulting firm in Florida to research the feasibility of mounting a late, independent run for president amid growing fears that Donald Trump could win the Republican nomination.

A memo prepared for the group zeroes in on ballot access as a looming obstacle for any independent candidate, along with actually identifying a viable, widely known contender and coalescing financial support for that person.

The two states with the earliest deadlines for independent candidates, Texas and North Carolina, also have some of the highest hurdles for independents to get on the ballot, according to the research.

“All this research has to happen before March 16, when inevitably Trump is the nominee, so that we have a plan in place,” a source familiar with the discussions said. March 16 is the day after the GOP primary in Florida, a winner-take-all contest that Marco Rubio supporters have identified as a must-win to stop Trump’s early momentum.

“It’s critical some serious attention is given to this,” the source said.

The document, stamped “confidential,” was authored by staff at Data Targeting, a Republican firm based in Gainesville, Fla. The memo notes that “it is possible to mount an independent candidacy but [it] will require immediate action on the part of this core of key funding and strategic players.”

Data Targeting did not respond to a request for comment on the memo.

The research points to Texas and North Carolina as early tests for running an independent, conservative candidate against Trump and the Democratic nominee. The candidate would need to gather over 79,900 valid petition signatures in Texas by May 9 and over 89,000 in North Carolina by June 9.

Only two other states have thresholds that high, and gathering petitions can be an expensive and time-consuming process. What’s more, the Texas signatures would have to come entirely from voters who did not vote in this year’s Democratic and Republican primaries.

Commenter Thomas observes:

It would be a great idea to come up with some prospective names for a 3rd party representing these folks. The AEI party? The Cuba Libre party? The WSJ Editorial Page Party? The Vail Party? Likud-USA? The Act of Love Party? The 4 More Wars Party?

Or maybe The We Hate You Party …

National Association for the Advancement of Conquistador People …

National Association for the Advancement of Billionaire People …

On Twitter, WW007d suggests:

Foam Party?

Inner Party?

Metrosexual-Boot-Stomping-on-an-American-Face-Forever Party?

There are lots of good suggestions in the comments.

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  1. BLAH Party
    Bland
    Libertarian
    Amnesty-promoting
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    Speaking about amnesty, Trump supports mass legalization of ex-illegal aliens. He'd try to deport all illegal aliens (politically impossible), then he'd let "the best" come back. For the same political reasons, "the best" would become anyone who doesn't have a current APB out for them.

    Past comments have resulted in personal smears, but I welcome anyone to present a valid counter-argument. Explain how a) given the Constitution and Congress and the courts and the entire elite including litigious far-left NGOs, Trump could do what he proposes to do; b) how he could resist those same forces expanding his touchback scheme from "the best" into as many as possible.

    P.S. In case anyone would like to *help* Trump and the U.S. rather than enabling him scamming the U.S., demand better from him. Don't treat him like Bieber, treat him like what he wants to be: your employee. Demand he proposes real plans and demand that he intellectually engages the pro-amnesty side rather than just calling them names. Stop the slide to idiocracy, don't further it.

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  2. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    The Diversity Party.

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  3. Bumby says:

    Fair Play for Cuba Committee

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  4. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The Cuck Party

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    That was my first guess too.

    I'm dying to see this happen btw.
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  5. Ttjy says:

    This just shows how bad the mainstream Republicans are. Of course, they still brag about helping to get the Civil Rights Act passed.

    They want to destroy the US just like the Dems. Oh, but they’ll keep taxes down on the rich. That’s something I should really care about, not.

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  6. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The Know Everything party

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    The Do Nothing Party
    , @utu
    "The Know Everything party" - I like this the best.
    , @Romanian
    The Remember Nothing Party
    , @J1234

    The Know Everything party
     
    HA HA! That's got my vote!
    , @Anonymous
    Thread WINNER !!!!!!
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  7. Rex May says: • Website

    The Bronsteinians.

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  8. The Stupider Party.

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  9. mutecypher says: • Website

    In a ploy for diversity and truth in advertising: the We ‘no Betta Party. The second “t” in Betta is optional.

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  10. People’s Front of Judea
    The Whining Wrath
    Bourgeois Globalist League
    The NeoConservative NeoLiberals
    The Establishment Front
    Cheap Labor League
    Corporate Struggle

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    The Whining Wrath is really good.
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  11. JerseyGuy says:

    The Davos Party

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  12. ziel says:

    the Cuck Old Party

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  13. Dr. T says:

    Likud

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  14. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Cuckdependent Transamerican Party

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  15. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    Adelson Koch Narrative Industries.
    (out of the Bahamas)

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  16. Dano says:

    Adelson’s Own Party

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  17. The Money to Burn Party.

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  18. MG says:

    The moment of reckoning is finally here. We had long known that there is no essential difference between the two parties. But it is now out in the open quite dramatically. Thank God for Donald Trump. May he win!

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  19. Clyde says:

    delete

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  20. jeppo says:

    The Donner Party (cannibalizing White America)

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    The Donner Party (cannibalizing White America)
     
    Clever!
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  21. Clyde says:

    Conservative donors have engaged a major GOP consulting firm in Florida to research the feasibility of mounting a late, independent run for president amid growing fears that Donald Trump could win the Republican nomination.

    ALERT!!! GOP donor class about to get ripped off again by consultants. Just call it the GOP consultants tax. Sure the donors class schemes to keep their earnings out of Uncle Sam’s clutches, but then proceeds to squander them on bogus consultants.

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  22. In 1952 shortly after my parents were married, they lived in North Carolina where my dad was from. Gen. Dwight Eisenhower was a write in candidate.

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  23. Anonym says:

    Speaking of foam parties, in Soviet foam party, Cuban smokes you!

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    Yakof? Is that you? Living in Branson these days?

    How about the Invite the World Party.
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  24. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    LIKUD II

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    The movie trailer would say "Likud II: this time it's not about real estate"

    Actually, the best movie reference to explain the current state of the GOP establishment is this scene:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Lf8GtMe4M

    Alec Baldwin plays Donald Trump and we all know who everyone else in that room represent. "Third prize is tickets on the National Review post-election cruise": http://www.nrcruise.com/
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  25. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    The Inoffensive Party.

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  26. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    The Knights Who Say “Ni”.

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  27. Mister El says:

    Future Of American Millenials–The FOAM Party!

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  28. Glossy says: • Website

    The Unpopular Front. Front Antinational. The First Antinational.

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  29. I can see hating those people, but hating them for running someone against Donald Trump? Don’t get it.

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    "I can see hating those people, but hating them for running someone against Donald Trump? Don’t get it."

    In the first Republican debate, Bret Baier asked all the candidates to take a vow that they would support the Republican nominee (whoever he was) and not run as a third party candidate. All of them raised their hand except Trump. He relented a few days later and agreed to take the pledge.

    If this third party gambit is put into effect, Trump should remind the electorate of that fact.
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  30. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    This is the most entertaining presidential election in a long while.

    Will they select Mittens as their candidate?

    I hope they do.

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    Will they select Mittens as their candidate?
     
    No, they should follow the NYT advice to ¿Yeb? and "woo Lindsey Graham."
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  31. ic1000 says:

    The Other Democratic Party
    (Or, with a tip of the hat to our neighbors to the north, the New Democratic Party)

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  32. CAFCA: Conquistador Americans for Conquering America.

    Metrosexual-Boot-Stomping-on-an-American-Face-Forever Party

    Shouldn’t that be: Metrosexual-Loafer-Tapping-an-American-Face-Forever Party

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    Shouldn’t that be: Metrosexual-Loafer-Tapping-an-American-Face-Forever Party
     



    Too wordy.


    ....how bout "The PillowBiters"?
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  33. Glossy says: • Website
    @Shine a Light
    People's Front of Judea
    The Whining Wrath
    Bourgeois Globalist League
    The NeoConservative NeoLiberals
    The Establishment Front
    Cheap Labor League
    Corporate Struggle

    The Whining Wrath is really good.

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  34. Lemon Party.

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  35. JerryC says:

    The Washington Generals.

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  36. wren says:

    The “We came to party! We came to pottie down your throat!” party.

    (Lyrics by Mike Patton)

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  37. JerryC says:

    The Democratic Party Ladies’ Auxilliary.

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    "The Democratic Party Ladies’ Auxilliary"

    This is funny.

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  38. Or the “Burn This Bitch Down Party”. That would be REALLY diverse!

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  39. Mark Caplan says: • Website

    Traitors without Borders.

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  40. You must forgive me, but I cannot help offering: Fumb Ducks! Drum Flucks! Flumb Duckers! Duck Fluckers! — Sorry, in advance.

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  41. Maybe it should be like other shady groups and have no name at all? It can just be referred to as “our thing”, “our friends in Florida”, “some important people” or, like in Point Blank, “The Organization”.

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    La Cosa Nueva
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  42. Dirk Dagger [AKA "Chico Caldera"] says:

    Not-a-Dime’s-Worth-of-Difference Party!

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  43. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    The Anti-Semite Silencing (ASS) party.

    And we do not control the media!

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  44. A phrase occurred to me this morning which I think accurately describes the kind of government Cruz or Rubio would like to institute: The Constitutional Dictatorship.

    It could be considered as the epitome of everything the Establishment GOP has been trying to effect lo these past 16 years—a mandatory Straussian liberal democracy as conceived of by the Rand Corporation, the Pentagon, and the Heritage Foundation. I have felt this rough beast slouching towards Bethlehem for many years now, and have spent many a blogging hour trying to describe it in a necessarily limited, inchoate style. But now it seems we are witnessing the first adumbrations of its actual emergence, and it is imperative that we slay the horrible thing in the cradle.

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    Yes, but I'm not so sure they'd care for the constitution at all when attacking Middle Eastern countries.
    , @Brian Reilly
    Intel, Oh that baby got out of the crib a long time ago. Now it is a vigorous, slightly obese teenager with raging hormones and no discipline. He is running the house. The parents are sort of afraid of this creature, and do not know quite what to do about him. They hope he will move out, but keep paying the cable bill and buying the Doritos that he likes so much. Mom is still oddly fond of this lad, but Dad is beginning to wonder if his wife was stepping out on him. He was so busy making money back in those days, maybe he was not paying enough attention to her.... Where did that curly hair come from??
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  45. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The I’m Lovin’ It! American Universal Love Party! One Love Bruh!

    Be Dope! Vote American Love, Yo!

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    Let Us Dispel with This Fiction Once and for All Party

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  47. MLK says:

    I hope they come up with a terrific, market-tested name.

    I hope Bloomberg runs.

    Make him spend it all.

    By the way, Trump should pick Jim Webb as VP.

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  48. Mr. Blank says:

    Partido Revolucionario Institucional.

    Why pretend any longer?

    “Likud Party” isn’t right. The Likud believes in borders.

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    Likud believes in walls
    , @John Gruskos
    Likud believes in borders . . . for Israel.

    Netanyahu personally attacked Trump's immigration proposals.
    , @reiner Tor

    The Likud believes in borders.
     
    Not for gentiles. Remember what Netanyahu said against Trump which led to Trump cancelling his Israeli visit?
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  49. Wouldn’t it just be simpler to rush through a constitutional amendment to allow Obama to stay in office for another two terms? Better still, just shame anyone who questions why he’s still in the White House after November. Call them “calendar-ers” or something.

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    Well, a war with Russia over Ukraine or Syria or something could present an excuse for finding some emanations or penumbras in the constitution that allow for the suspending of the elections.
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  50. sean c says:

    I spent 100 million and all I got was this guac bowl party.

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  51. @Cagey Beast
    Maybe it should be like other shady groups and have no name at all? It can just be referred to as "our thing", "our friends in Florida", "some important people" or, like in Point Blank, "The Organization".

    La Cosa Nueva

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    Su Casa Nueva.
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  52. @nooffensebut
    BLAH Party
    Bland
    Libertarian
    Amnesty-promoting
    Handlers

    Speaking about amnesty, Trump supports mass legalization of ex-illegal aliens. He’d try to deport all illegal aliens (politically impossible), then he’d let “the best” come back. For the same political reasons, “the best” would become anyone who doesn’t have a current APB out for them.

    Past comments have resulted in personal smears, but I welcome anyone to present a valid counter-argument. Explain how a) given the Constitution and Congress and the courts and the entire elite including litigious far-left NGOs, Trump could do what he proposes to do; b) how he could resist those same forces expanding his touchback scheme from “the best” into as many as possible.

    P.S. In case anyone would like to *help* Trump and the U.S. rather than enabling him scamming the U.S., demand better from him. Don’t treat him like Bieber, treat him like what he wants to be: your employee. Demand he proposes real plans and demand that he intellectually engages the pro-amnesty side rather than just calling them names. Stop the slide to idiocracy, don’t further it.

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    Demand he proposes real plans
     
    Ideas often trickle up, these days. What would you propose?

    For that matter, has Steve ever outlined a practical plan?

    Lawrence Auster wrote up a full-length policy proposal which he called the Freedom From Islam Act, essentially a gentleman's version of Trump's "Ban on Muslims Entering America" thing, and predating Trump's proposal by six years. Auster covered all the bases, and that policy, as is, could be implemented, unlike (you're right) some of the Trump ideas, which remain totally ephemeral even if energizing to much of White America.
    , @utu
    He can enforce the law. Hiring illegals is illegal. The current law:

    First offenders can be fined $250-$2,000 per illegal employee.
    For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee.
    Three or more offenses can cost an employer $3000-$10,000 per illegal employee. A pattern of knowingly employing illegal immigrants can mean extra fines and up to six months in jail for an employer.

    Obviously, it would be better if the law was stricter. Anyway, illegal immigration can be stopped at the demand side if there is a will of the executive branch. No fence (supply side) is needed.

    I would like to see Trump talking about penalization of employers and stop talking about the stupid fence.
    , @JSM
    how he could resist those same forces expanding his touchback scheme from “the best” into as many as possible. Easy. Trump understands bureaucratic bungling / inefficiency / inability to get ANYTHING done. Make the paperwork for returnees so egregious (get the IRS to consult) and, voila, 3 green cards approved per month!!

    The law will be, you must go back to Mexico and wait there for your green card. If you come again without one, you are immediately ineligible. Fortunately, mestizos are dumb, so they'll wait. Patiently. Three weeks. Three months. "Gonna get my paperwork approved any day now." Five years. "Any Day Now." Wall gets built. Thirty years: Like Charlie Brown, "It's for SURE that, this time, for sure!!!" .......

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  53. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    The Know Everything party

    The Do Nothing Party

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  54. JimB says:

    The Pixar Party?
    The Disney Party?
    The Max Fleischer Party?
    The Hanna Barbera Party?

    Saves you the trouble of having actually to decide between Baby Huey or Donald Duck when you’re in the voting booth.

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  55. Herodotus says:

    The Bourbon-Romanov Party
    The Benedict Arnold Party (rejected and replaced by The Vidkun Quisling Party, they do it better in Spitsbergen)
    The More Equal Party, never be accused of racism again (no I’ve never read Animal Farm)
    The Conservative Unification of No Trumps
    The Internationalist Capitalist Billionaires Party
    The Rethuglicans, own it
    The Republocrats, center always wins
    The Dermot MacMurrough Party
    The Rubicon Party
    The Civil War Party
    The Loser Party
    The Fox-CNN Party
    The Banana Republicans
    Trans-National Republicans Usurping Might Party
    Tricky Recreant Unctuous Mock Plutocrats (dammit how does Trump keep getting his brand out there)
    And of course perennial Steve favorite National Association for the Advancement of Billionaire People

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    National Association for the Advancement of Billionaire People
     
    Genius.
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  56. “Nation of Immigrants” Party

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  57. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    ¿Who Moved my Cheese? Party

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  58. Thomas says:

    Glad you liked my idea, Steve! Lots of great ideas on Twitter.

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  59. Thomas says:
    @Steve Sailer
    La Cosa Nueva

    Su Casa Nueva.

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  60. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Cagey Beast
    Wouldn't it just be simpler to rush through a constitutional amendment to allow Obama to stay in office for another two terms? Better still, just shame anyone who questions why he's still in the White House after November. Call them "calendar-ers" or something.

    Well, a war with Russia over Ukraine or Syria or something could present an excuse for finding some emanations or penumbras in the constitution that allow for the suspending of the elections.

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  61. @The most deplorable one
    This is the most entertaining presidential election in a long while.

    Will they select Mittens as their candidate?

    I hope they do.

    Will they select Mittens as their candidate?

    No, they should follow the NYT advice to ¿Yeb? and “woo Lindsey Graham.”

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  62. Republican Political Consultants’ Benevolent Fund

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  63. Rob McX says:

    The Koch Adds Life Party (in deference to their donors/puppet-masters).

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  64. The “Muzzle Him!” Brotherhood.

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  65. Wilkey says:

    Won’t happen. The more Rubio and Cruz point out what a hypocrite Trump is, the more the neofeudalists will realize how much they like him. Even now they play into his hands…

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  66. The National Redo

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  67. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Retro-Glam Better than Ever Republican Real Roots* Party

    *Real Roots May Contain Donors

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  68. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    The Hewers of Wood and Drawers of Water Party

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  69. Geschrei says:

    The Democrat Party.

    After all, thats the derisive term they’ve been using for the “loyal opposition” for years now. Why not appropriate it for themselves? There isn’t much to differentiate between the two ideologies at this point.

    Imagine the chaotic fun in November, when voters have to choose between the Republican candidate, the Democratic candidate, and the “Democrat” candidate. Hell, the confusion amongst the low information voters may be the only chance they have at winning.

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  70. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    We the people party.

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  71. The Low-Energy Party.

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  72. It would be a great idea to come up with some prospective names for a 3rd party representing these folks. The AEI party?

    The FU Party.

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  73. The Other White Meat

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  74. asdf says:
    @Anonymous
    The Cuck Party

    That was my first guess too.

    I’m dying to see this happen btw.

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  75. @jeppo
    The Donner Party (cannibalizing White America)

    The Donner Party (cannibalizing White America)

    Clever!

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  76. Bilderberg American Freedom Party

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  77. Return Of The Living ¡Jeb!

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  78. Blobby5 says:
    @Anonym
    Speaking of foam parties, in Soviet foam party, Cuban smokes you!

    Yakof? Is that you? Living in Branson these days?

    How about the Invite the World Party.

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  79. Rex May says: • Website

    I believe in Brad Linaweaver’s althist novel “Moon of Ice” they had something called the Bipartisan Party.

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  80. Rob McX says:

    The Flipped Exclamation Mark Party.

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  81. The “Operation Valkyrie” Party. Hitler must be stopped!

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  82. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The America F*ck Yeah! Party could work:

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  83. iWish Republican Army

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  84. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The Losers party.

    The Nomenklatura”.

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  85. Rob McX says:

    El verdadero partido conservador.

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  86. TangoMan says:

    OT- Steve has done post-election analysis on how various segments of society vote. This guy is going real-time analysis on the characteristics of pro and anti Trump voters.

    The strongest correlation of Pro-Trump voters – percent of county living in poverty.
    Next strongest, percent of county which is biracial. Followed by percent of county which is black, followed by percent of county which is Hispanic, followed by percent of county which is foreign born.

    Hmm. Anyone notice a pattern developing?

    Then the anti-Trump voters tend towards:

    Percent of county with higher than HS grad.
    Followed by percent of county which is white and non-Hispanic, followed closely by percent of county which is white alone, followed by a number of income metrics.

    What jumps out to me is that exposure to diversity strengthens the appeal of Trump and isolation from diversity predicts people scratching their head and wondering why the Trump phenomenon is taking place.

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    Holy crap! Those stats are truly amazing! Poor folks and minorities voting for Trump, a billionaire!

    I'm tellin' ya, Trump and Bernie are fishing side-by-side in the same simmering pool of American rage.

    Salon and Slate and the National Review and Hillary and Bush and the DNC and the RNC think the same hackneyed arguments and race baiting and cheesy evangelicalism and pro/anti abortion tropes are going to work this time out. They won't. Not anymore. When the Bernie Occupy Wall Street and the Trump Tea Party get together all hell will break loose.

    We are seeing a groundswell of angry citizens across the political spectrum that is going straight to Trump and Bernie no matter what traditional scaremongering the Dem and Pub elite do.

    Bernie is a policy propeller head who will never appear to working folks. In contrast, Trump has a gigantic pair of brass testicles. Trump as Ruler of America, and Bernie as his bespectacled advisor.

    Hell, a Trump/Bernie ticket could rule the Western World.

    The way I see it, Bernie has to lose to Hillary and Trump has to pick him as a running mate.
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  87. Cracker says:

    Rat B@stard F**kstain @zzholes

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  88. Tim Wise for President.

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  89. The Party of Kissinger.

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  90. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The House of Lords party? Just “The Lords” party?

    Perhaps the Patrón Party? (Works better with the Spanish pronunciation/spelling.)

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  91. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The plutocrat party. KISS.

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  92. Tipo 61 says:

    America Greatness party.

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  93. Twirlip says:

    The Ferengi Party.

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  94. 5371 says:

    [ The memo notes that “it is possible to mount an independent candidacy but [it] will require immediate action on the part of this core of key funding and strategic players.”]

    Translated into English, “This is a pure and obvious scam, but send us lots of money anyway.”

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  95. The Military-Industrial Complex?
    The Feudal Party?

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  96. Whiskey says: • Website

    We Hate You Party.

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  97. Tipo 61 says:

    Indispensable Nation party.

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  98. The Please Clap Party.

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  99. 22pp22 says:

    Speaking as a non-American, if the GOP deliberately threw the election because they didn’t approve of the candidate endorsed by their members, would that not de-legitimize the entire “democratic” process in the US? In the UK or NZ, the National/Conservative Party would splinter and disappear for ever. The people who had voted for them would effectively have been disenfranchised and would no longer have any moral reason to operate within the system.

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    Yes, but we're not supposed to have direct election of the president, or the senate, anyway.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    I'm not sure that it would delegitimize the entire democratic process, but it ought to delegitimize the people leading such a movement from any future in the party that nominated Donald Trump. We could be seeing the breakup of the Republican Party as it has existed and the formation of a new party. It's hard to imagine a viable national third party, given the American system of winner- take-all elections.

    What would delegitimize the democratic process would be widespread vote fraud and legal disenfranchisement (being turned away from the polls on a pretext or intimidated from voting). Once the idea that election results need be followed is lost, people start picking up guns and the military has to decide whose orders it will obey.
    , @e
    The people who had voted for them would effectively have been disenfranchised and would no longer have any moral reason to operate within the system.

    The way I see it, clearly half the country already feel disenfranchised and THAT is why Trump resonates. As things are right now, that half clearly feel they are ONE step away from "no longer any moral reason to operate within the system." That covers the urban poor, the rural and flyover poor, the working class, a good section of the middle class who see their money redistributed to slackers and hustlers, the hustlers being anyone from a college kid trying to stay in college forever on a low-interest loan to the biggest of Wall Street sharks.

    This whole uprising is a cry to the pols, "Pay ATTENTION to ME. I am an American!"

    Wait until Trump wins the GOP nod and starts in earnest talking about bringing back a manufacturing base.

    , @AndrewR
    In a Parliamentary system, Trump would probably be running under a different party. He was forced to run as a Republican due to the nature of American politics.
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  100. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    CCCP–Compassionate Cosmopolitan Cuckservative Party

    Technocrats Without Borders

    Cuckservatives Sans Frontieres

    Flat Earth Society (Friedman edition)

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  101. Chiron says:

    Likud, the American chapter.

    Jewish Billionaires Party.

    Neocon Party.

    NeoLiberal Party.

    Globalist Party.

    The Chosen Party.

    The Israel First Party.

    The Judeo-American Empire Party.

    The Zionist Party.

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  102. matt says:

    The Bowtie Party

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  103. The Pity Party

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  104. iSteveFan says:

    How about calling them ‘The Bush League’?

    PS. So much for forcing Trump to sign the pledge. Each year they tell us Buchanan, Paul and other outsider types that we have to show party loyalty and support the eventual nominee. Yet they pull this.

    PPS. What happens if Trump actually loses and Cruz or Rubio wins a majority of the delegates? How does the party turn to Trump supporters with a straight face and lecture us on party loyalty? Haven’t they just kneecapped themselves with Trump supporters?

    PPPS. How will Trump be affected by this? Would it be wiser for Trump to just drop out of the GOP now and become a third party candidate? If Trump waits until the convention, and then gets the nomination taken away through back channel wheeling and dealing, would it be too late for Trump to run as a third party? If the GOP is really discussing this, doesn’t this free up Trump to consider his pledge null and void?

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  105. The Treason Party

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  106. Jonah says:

    Let them keep “The Republican Party”

    There aren’t 5 of them we can trust anyway.

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  107. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Speaking as a non-American, if the GOP deliberately threw the election because they didn’t approve of the candidate endorsed by their members, would that not de-legitimize the entire “democratic” process in the US?

    I’m no expert, but this is probably how political parties who are past their time in the US die, to be replaced by a new party. The party either has to change with the times or be replaced by a new party that is relevant.

    Progressive Party (United States, 1912)”:

    “…The Progressive Party of 1912 was an American political party. It was formed by former President Theodore Roosevelt, after a split in the Republican Party between him and President William Howard Taft.

    The party also became known as the Bull Moose Party after journalists quoted Roosevelt saying “I feel like a bull moose” shortly after the new party was formed.”

    So how about the Neo-Progressive Party? Or maybe the New Bull party? The New Bull Party, I kind of like that.

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  108. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @22pp22
    Speaking as a non-American, if the GOP deliberately threw the election because they didn't approve of the candidate endorsed by their members, would that not de-legitimize the entire "democratic" process in the US? In the UK or NZ, the National/Conservative Party would splinter and disappear for ever. The people who had voted for them would effectively have been disenfranchised and would no longer have any moral reason to operate within the system.

    Yes, but we’re not supposed to have direct election of the president, or the senate, anyway.

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  109. Dew says:

    The I’m Going to Canada Party

    The Chickenhawk Party

    The My Dad Is the Best Man I’ve Ever Known Party

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  110. Anonym says:

    The Elect Hillary Party. Isn’t that the goal with this one?

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  111. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Cuckservitive Party

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  112. JMurray says:

    This is easy. Only one name will do. The Aristocrats.

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    This is easy. Only one name will do. The Aristocrats.
     
    But they're not the best. Kakistocrats would be better.
    , @JMurray
    I think you missed my point. Go look up that name as "world's dirtiest joke"
    , @Tracy

    This is easy. Only one name will do. The Aristocrats.
     
    This is the one, man.
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  113. It is already called the Chamber of Commerce.

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  114. Mr. Anon says:

    The Billionaire Boys Club

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  115. Hail says: • Website

    Someone get the good Mr. DemsRRealRacist on this, ASAP.

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  116. Torvald says:

    This is a good start Steve. However, I demand that you heap praise on Trump.

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  117. Rob McX says:

    El Partido Cuquito.

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  118. Do you want to be a billionaire Party

    World Wide Cronies Party

    The Chosen Few

    The Job Creators Party

    The Aristocracy

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  119. “Vote CUP not GOP!”

    Citizens United Party.

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  120. @JMurray
    This is easy. Only one name will do. The Aristocrats.

    This is easy. Only one name will do. The Aristocrats.

    But they’re not the best. Kakistocrats would be better.

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  121. Hail says: • Website
    @24AheadDotCom
    Speaking about amnesty, Trump supports mass legalization of ex-illegal aliens. He'd try to deport all illegal aliens (politically impossible), then he'd let "the best" come back. For the same political reasons, "the best" would become anyone who doesn't have a current APB out for them.

    Past comments have resulted in personal smears, but I welcome anyone to present a valid counter-argument. Explain how a) given the Constitution and Congress and the courts and the entire elite including litigious far-left NGOs, Trump could do what he proposes to do; b) how he could resist those same forces expanding his touchback scheme from "the best" into as many as possible.

    P.S. In case anyone would like to *help* Trump and the U.S. rather than enabling him scamming the U.S., demand better from him. Don't treat him like Bieber, treat him like what he wants to be: your employee. Demand he proposes real plans and demand that he intellectually engages the pro-amnesty side rather than just calling them names. Stop the slide to idiocracy, don't further it.

    Demand he proposes real plans

    Ideas often trickle up, these days. What would you propose?

    For that matter, has Steve ever outlined a practical plan?

    Lawrence Auster wrote up a full-length policy proposal which he called the Freedom From Islam Act, essentially a gentleman’s version of Trump’s “Ban on Muslims Entering America” thing, and predating Trump’s proposal by six years. Auster covered all the bases, and that policy, as is, could be implemented, unlike (you’re right) some of the Trump ideas, which remain totally ephemeral even if energizing to much of White America.

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    "Lawrence Auster wrote up a full-length policy proposal which he called the Freedom From Islam Act, essentially a gentleman’s version of Trump’s “Ban on Muslims Entering America” thing, and predating Trump’s proposal by six years. Auster covered all the bases, and that policy, as is, could be implemented, unlike (you’re right) some of the Trump ideas, which remain totally ephemeral even if energizing to much of White America."

    First, please define "White America". Second, if a number of "whites" believe that the problem is NOT Muslims, but radical Muslims--and there is an observable difference--are these "whites" anti-white?
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  122. Mr. Anon says:
    @Rrrrrroger
    I can see hating those people, but hating them for running someone against Donald Trump? Don't get it.

    “I can see hating those people, but hating them for running someone against Donald Trump? Don’t get it.”

    In the first Republican debate, Bret Baier asked all the candidates to take a vow that they would support the Republican nominee (whoever he was) and not run as a third party candidate. All of them raised their hand except Trump. He relented a few days later and agreed to take the pledge.

    If this third party gambit is put into effect, Trump should remind the electorate of that fact.

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    Thanks. That makes sense to me. Seems to me all the people who ran have to support Trump or they're liars. Maybe not enthusiastically but have to endorse him and can't campaign against him. But their word doesn't bind anybody else.
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  123. Anonym says:

    Not Even Republican In Name Party.

    This new party would be composed of RINOs, but without the Republican name. Maybe the letters could be jumbled to be NROI. The Nill Return On Investment party.

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  124. Keep in mind that a 3rd party’s only purpose would be to elect Hillary not to actually win outright. Her policies would basically be like Jeb’s would have been but with more money for abortions and the wealthy donor class does not care about that anyway.

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  125. Leftist conservative [AKA "Trump Kills Last Mosquito, Places Tiny Make America Great Hat On ZikaHead Baby"] says: • Website

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  126. @Dew
    The I'm Going to Canada Party

    The Chickenhawk Party

    The My Dad Is the Best Man I've Ever Known Party

    Damn, someone beat me to chickenhawk party. Ready made animal mascot also; the Warner Brothers version of course.

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  127. WGG [AKA "World's Greatest Grandson"] says:

    The “We Aren’t Hitler” party, or WAH

    “You’re all Hitler” party

    “Because Hitler” party

    “Shut it down” party

    The “Greatest Strength” party

    The “Socialized Costs Privitized Benefits” party

    The Pecksniffian Party

    The Corporate Welfare Party

    The Suckers Bet Party

    The “We stole your retirement when we repeatedly and deliberately drained the stock exchange” party

    The Party for a Quadrillion Dollar Deficit

    The Stagflation Party

    The “Mexican peasants don’t mind living in a dirt floor shack so what the hell is your problem, Whitey?”

    The Crush The People Party

    Millionaires for Billionaires

    The Banana Republic Party

    The “We actually make pinko commie scum look good” party

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  128. The_________Party

    And just have naming rights sold every four years, like stadiums.
    But like you have fields/courts named separately than the stadiums around them: Coach K Court at Cameron Indoor Stadium, you could have the Adelson Primaries of The Koch Party, brought to you by Tyson Foods. Each state primary could be sponsored.
    Maybe Wisconsin, like the Green Bay Packers, could be owned by the people. The Scandinavian-American Thingstead or Folkmeet of The Koch Party…

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  129. United Colors of Benetton

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  130. Anon7 says:

    The Sockless Puppets Party

    (Also, who knew that Leslie Gore was really Leslie Sue Goldstein, a nice Jewish girl who came out as a life-long lesbian. Everything I know about the Sixties is wrong now.)

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    My father, an IATSE stagehand who worked a lot of old time rock and roll shows and into the new wave era (actually he retired right after 9/11) told me Gore was a mussypuncher back in the seventies. I figured he was FOS because he said the same thing about Joan Jett, Debra Harry and one of the Go-Gos I won't name because she is not out.

    Old buzzard turned out to be right. And reminds me all the time.
    , @Former Darfur
    A lot of people have always wondered why a man like Quincy Jones would get behind a pop fluff act like Leslie Gore. In the old days it was widely speculated that he was nailing her, but I doubt it. I'm guessing it somehow relates to his later work with Michael Jackson.

    Jackson, of course, had talent, but he was also a very disturbed guy. How Jackson was transformed from the kid in the Jackson Five to pop supernova and more importantly why is one of those things not talked about but ought to.
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  131. TG says:

    The Donorist Party.

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  132. Benevolent Human Capital Mangement Party of the Human Capital Containment Zone of North and Central America

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  133. Rob McX says:

    The Shut Up and Eat Your Beans Party (or the Flatulence Will Get You Nowhere Party).

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  134. asdf says:

    Fantastic question!

    How about –

    Do It-Do It-Do It!
    Is That a Threat or a Promise? (inverse mark for Jeb oc…)
    We Don’t Need You Rubes!
    Like Dems but More Dumberer
    Like Dems but More … (whatever they pretend to be these days)
    Sorry About Everything but at Least your Capitol Gains Taxes are Low
    The Fact that you aren’t voting For Us Proves You are Evil
    National Review and Weekly Standard Had a Baby
    Hell in a Bucket.

    God Bless Donald Trump. Sometimes, once in a lifetime apparently, someone will tell it like it is and damn the consequences. Much respect.

    (note – Leslie Gore was a nice touch.)

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  135. Big Bill says:
    @TangoMan
    OT- Steve has done post-election analysis on how various segments of society vote. This guy is going real-time analysis on the characteristics of pro and anti Trump voters.

    The strongest correlation of Pro-Trump voters - percent of county living in poverty.
    Next strongest, percent of county which is biracial. Followed by percent of county which is black, followed by percent of county which is Hispanic, followed by percent of county which is foreign born.

    Hmm. Anyone notice a pattern developing?

    Then the anti-Trump voters tend towards:

    Percent of county with higher than HS grad.
    Followed by percent of county which is white and non-Hispanic, followed closely by percent of county which is white alone, followed by a number of income metrics.

    What jumps out to me is that exposure to diversity strengthens the appeal of Trump and isolation from diversity predicts people scratching their head and wondering why the Trump phenomenon is taking place.

    Holy crap! Those stats are truly amazing! Poor folks and minorities voting for Trump, a billionaire!

    I’m tellin’ ya, Trump and Bernie are fishing side-by-side in the same simmering pool of American rage.

    Salon and Slate and the National Review and Hillary and Bush and the DNC and the RNC think the same hackneyed arguments and race baiting and cheesy evangelicalism and pro/anti abortion tropes are going to work this time out. They won’t. Not anymore. When the Bernie Occupy Wall Street and the Trump Tea Party get together all hell will break loose.

    We are seeing a groundswell of angry citizens across the political spectrum that is going straight to Trump and Bernie no matter what traditional scaremongering the Dem and Pub elite do.

    Bernie is a policy propeller head who will never appear to working folks. In contrast, Trump has a gigantic pair of brass testicles. Trump as Ruler of America, and Bernie as his bespectacled advisor.

    Hell, a Trump/Bernie ticket could rule the Western World.

    The way I see it, Bernie has to lose to Hillary and Trump has to pick him as a running mate.

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    Poor folks and minorities voting for Trump, a billionaire!

    I suspect that you're misinterpreting the data. It's not minorities that are voting for Trump, it's whites who are forced to live around a lot of minorities, that is, they get to experience the joy of diversity for real while the anti-Trump voters, more isolated from minorities, get to experience diversity as a dream-state, and so they idealize it.

    To whatever degree Trump and Sanders are tapping into something, I don't think they completely overlap on demographics. Aren't Sanders' fans really gung-ho on idealizing diversity and wanting more immigration?
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  136. Bernie Sanders is fighting a similar fight with the Democratic Party but their ‘Establishment’ has already won that battle. In spite of the fact that Liberals like to think of themselves as more open minded and tolerant than conservatives, Sanders campaign is entirely limited to taking money from the 1% (white people) and transferring it to the more vibrant among us. Discussing immigration, crime, education, labor, public infrastructure, or anything else outside of the lens of “diversity” is strictly verboten. Instead of a boot stomping on his face, BLM publicly humiliates and paper trains him like a bad puppy.

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    Discussing immigration, crime, education, labor, public infrastructure, or anything else outside of the lens of “diversity” is strictly verboten.
     
    Remember, "diversity" in Vermont is the occasional French Canadian.
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  137. rob says:

    The Democratic Republicans (hat tip to US history class)

    The New Colossus

    The Institutional Revolutionary Party

    The Further from the Canadian Border Party

    The Man Behind the Curtain Party

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  138. TangoMan says:
    @Big Bill
    Holy crap! Those stats are truly amazing! Poor folks and minorities voting for Trump, a billionaire!

    I'm tellin' ya, Trump and Bernie are fishing side-by-side in the same simmering pool of American rage.

    Salon and Slate and the National Review and Hillary and Bush and the DNC and the RNC think the same hackneyed arguments and race baiting and cheesy evangelicalism and pro/anti abortion tropes are going to work this time out. They won't. Not anymore. When the Bernie Occupy Wall Street and the Trump Tea Party get together all hell will break loose.

    We are seeing a groundswell of angry citizens across the political spectrum that is going straight to Trump and Bernie no matter what traditional scaremongering the Dem and Pub elite do.

    Bernie is a policy propeller head who will never appear to working folks. In contrast, Trump has a gigantic pair of brass testicles. Trump as Ruler of America, and Bernie as his bespectacled advisor.

    Hell, a Trump/Bernie ticket could rule the Western World.

    The way I see it, Bernie has to lose to Hillary and Trump has to pick him as a running mate.

    Poor folks and minorities voting for Trump, a billionaire!

    I suspect that you’re misinterpreting the data. It’s not minorities that are voting for Trump, it’s whites who are forced to live around a lot of minorities, that is, they get to experience the joy of diversity for real while the anti-Trump voters, more isolated from minorities, get to experience diversity as a dream-state, and so they idealize it.

    To whatever degree Trump and Sanders are tapping into something, I don’t think they completely overlap on demographics. Aren’t Sanders’ fans really gung-ho on idealizing diversity and wanting more immigration?

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    I suspect that you’re misinterpreting the data. It’s not minorities that are voting for Trump, it’s whites who are forced to live around a lot of minorities, that is, they get to experience the joy of diversity for real while the anti-Trump voters, more isolated from minorities, get to experience diversity as a dream-state, and so they idealize it.
     
    I suspect you are right. What I find interesting is that the effect is large enough so any tendency of minorities to vote against Trump (per the conventional wisdom) is overwhelmed. I think I'll take a look at how some of those variables appear against % Trump vote in a scatterplot. I wonder if the relationship is nonlinear. I suppose this behavior looks different for a primary than a general though (fewer minorities in GOP) so I need to think more about the implications.

    Thanks for posting the original link. There are some good data/scripts out there for analyzing the 2016 primary data.
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  139. It’s not minorities that are voting for Trump, it’s whites who are forced to live around a lot of minorities…

    We have no idea whether significant numbers of minorities are voting, or will vote, for Trump. These are primaries and caucuses in the Republican Party.

    In November (assuming he’s nominated) Trump will almost certainly raise the GOP’s share of the black vote. But that’s damning with faint praise.

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  141. @Prof. Woland
    Bernie Sanders is fighting a similar fight with the Democratic Party but their 'Establishment' has already won that battle. In spite of the fact that Liberals like to think of themselves as more open minded and tolerant than conservatives, Sanders campaign is entirely limited to taking money from the 1% (white people) and transferring it to the more vibrant among us. Discussing immigration, crime, education, labor, public infrastructure, or anything else outside of the lens of "diversity" is strictly verboten. Instead of a boot stomping on his face, BLM publicly humiliates and paper trains him like a bad puppy.

    Discussing immigration, crime, education, labor, public infrastructure, or anything else outside of the lens of “diversity” is strictly verboten.

    Remember, “diversity” in Vermont is the occasional French Canadian.

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  142. Lots of funny suggestions here, but I’ll suggest something they might actually choose: Federalist Party. Sure, 210 years ago the Federalists were the activist government party. But by today’s standards they were almost radical libertarians. And the association most people will make will be with George Washington and a genteel above-the-fray attitude.

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  143. IHTG says:

    I could see them calling themselves “The Conservative Party”.

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    Whenever Rubio or any pundits say that Trump isn't a real conservative, I am reminded of the GK Chesterton quote

    The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected.
     
    It sums up Conservatism Inc. perfectly...
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  144. Anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer

    Republikud

    Republicuck

    Bienvenidos Nuevos Amigos

    Koch’s Suckers

    Washington Generals

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  145. It would be a great idea to come up with some prospective names for a 3rd party representing these folks.

    The John Anderson Party.

    By the way, Anderson, Pete McCloskey, and Paul Findlay are all still alive. McCloskey isn’t even 90 yet.

    Tanned, rested, ready…

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  146. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    The Know-Nothings, II

    The Copperhead Party (emblem: an elephant with its feet in the air, dead from a snakebite).

    The Periwhig Party

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  147. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The Plutocratic Party.

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  148. Mr. Anon says:

    The League of Extraordinary Douchebags

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    I really like that one.
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  149. utu says:
    @Anonymous
    The Know Everything party

    “The Know Everything party” – I like this the best.

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  150. Realist says:

    “Contest: Name the Proposed Anti-Trump 3rd Party Being Considered by GOP Donors”

    The incredibly stupid party

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  151. OT

    Christopher Caldwell, insightful as always, on The Migrants of Calais–Losers and winners in the global economy. Of particular interest:

    In January, INSEE, France’s national demographics bureau, announced that the life expectancy of French people of both sexes had fallen for the first time since World War II.

    Another excerpt:

    Even if Paris does not need a middle class, it desperately needs a lower class. Those symbolic analysts require people to chop their sushi, mix their cocktails, dust their apartments, and push their children’s strollers and their parents’ wheelchairs. This means immigrants — and increasingly it means only immigrants. Because who would you rather have washing your bathtub for 12 euros an hour? A laid-off factory worker who used to get 30 euros an hour and seven weeks’ vacation and who is now looking daggers at you? Or a polite woman from Mali, for whom the smell of Formula 409 is the smell of liberation? The banlieues are an integrated part of the world economy. There is now an immigrant-descended petite bourgeoisie. Naturally, as rich people monopolize the private housing stock, poor newcomers monopolize the welfare housing. Far from being a drain on rich people’s taxes, these projects provide subsidized housing for their servants. Big problems will eventually come, because there is no next rung on the social ladder onto which the migrants’ children can step. But this is not an acute problem just yet. For now, worrying about the banlieues is something of a red herring.

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  152. Anonym says:
    @Mr. Anon
    The League of Extraordinary Douchebags

    I really like that one.

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  153. utu says:
    @24AheadDotCom
    Speaking about amnesty, Trump supports mass legalization of ex-illegal aliens. He'd try to deport all illegal aliens (politically impossible), then he'd let "the best" come back. For the same political reasons, "the best" would become anyone who doesn't have a current APB out for them.

    Past comments have resulted in personal smears, but I welcome anyone to present a valid counter-argument. Explain how a) given the Constitution and Congress and the courts and the entire elite including litigious far-left NGOs, Trump could do what he proposes to do; b) how he could resist those same forces expanding his touchback scheme from "the best" into as many as possible.

    P.S. In case anyone would like to *help* Trump and the U.S. rather than enabling him scamming the U.S., demand better from him. Don't treat him like Bieber, treat him like what he wants to be: your employee. Demand he proposes real plans and demand that he intellectually engages the pro-amnesty side rather than just calling them names. Stop the slide to idiocracy, don't further it.

    He can enforce the law. Hiring illegals is illegal. The current law:

    First offenders can be fined $250-$2,000 per illegal employee.
    For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee.
    Three or more offenses can cost an employer $3000-$10,000 per illegal employee. A pattern of knowingly employing illegal immigrants can mean extra fines and up to six months in jail for an employer.

    Obviously, it would be better if the law was stricter. Anyway, illegal immigration can be stopped at the demand side if there is a will of the executive branch. No fence (supply side) is needed.

    I would like to see Trump talking about penalization of employers and stop talking about the stupid fence.

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  154. Wes Banks says:
    @Mr. Blank
    Partido Revolucionario Institucional.

    Why pretend any longer?

    "Likud Party" isn't right. The Likud believes in borders.

    Likud believes in walls

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  155. Olorin says:

    The Embouchure Party.

    “Embouchure: 1 : the position and use of the lips, tongue, and teeth in playing a wind instrument.”

    It makes an appropriately flatulent sound when not mediated by an instrument.

    Here’s a nice piece on embouchure shaping for brass players, including, ahem, of the trumpet.

    http://www.kjos.com/band/band_news/band_news_emb4.html

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  156. JackOH says:

    “Conservative donors have engaged a major GOP consulting firm in Florida to research the feasibility of mounting a late, independent run for president . . .”.

    My translation: “Corporate and constituency paymasters . . . to research the feasibility of mounting a puppet candidacy for president . . .”.

    Many of the choices made by commenters above are excellent. I haven’t looked at them all but here are my two offerings:

    Council of 25,000 Party-refers to the number of lobbyists in D. C, and,

    Fascist Party of the United States.

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  157. @22pp22
    Speaking as a non-American, if the GOP deliberately threw the election because they didn't approve of the candidate endorsed by their members, would that not de-legitimize the entire "democratic" process in the US? In the UK or NZ, the National/Conservative Party would splinter and disappear for ever. The people who had voted for them would effectively have been disenfranchised and would no longer have any moral reason to operate within the system.

    I’m not sure that it would delegitimize the entire democratic process, but it ought to delegitimize the people leading such a movement from any future in the party that nominated Donald Trump. We could be seeing the breakup of the Republican Party as it has existed and the formation of a new party. It’s hard to imagine a viable national third party, given the American system of winner- take-all elections.

    What would delegitimize the democratic process would be widespread vote fraud and legal disenfranchisement (being turned away from the polls on a pretext or intimidated from voting). Once the idea that election results need be followed is lost, people start picking up guns and the military has to decide whose orders it will obey.

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    Once the idea that election results need be followed is lost, people start picking up guns and the military has to decide whose orders it will obey.
     
    Certain units will obey certain orders. Other units, other orders. Then things get really interesting.
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  158. Mi Casa Es Su Casa Party
    The War-en Commission
    Oligarch United Party

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  159. Corvinus says:
    @Hail

    Demand he proposes real plans
     
    Ideas often trickle up, these days. What would you propose?

    For that matter, has Steve ever outlined a practical plan?

    Lawrence Auster wrote up a full-length policy proposal which he called the Freedom From Islam Act, essentially a gentleman's version of Trump's "Ban on Muslims Entering America" thing, and predating Trump's proposal by six years. Auster covered all the bases, and that policy, as is, could be implemented, unlike (you're right) some of the Trump ideas, which remain totally ephemeral even if energizing to much of White America.

    “Lawrence Auster wrote up a full-length policy proposal which he called the Freedom From Islam Act, essentially a gentleman’s version of Trump’s “Ban on Muslims Entering America” thing, and predating Trump’s proposal by six years. Auster covered all the bases, and that policy, as is, could be implemented, unlike (you’re right) some of the Trump ideas, which remain totally ephemeral even if energizing to much of White America.”

    First, please define “White America”. Second, if a number of “whites” believe that the problem is NOT Muslims, but radical Muslims–and there is an observable difference–are these “whites” anti-white?

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    The StopWhiteyParty

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  161. Okay, gang. Take a deep breath and. . . :

    - The MAO Party – Masks Are Off.

    - Die Endlösung Partei

    - The Idiocrats (No, wait: that’d be the other same-same party. You know, Hilligula’s outfit)

    - Civilizational Suicidocrats

    - PSYOP – Perpetually Sell You Out Party [Or: Profiteers Sell You Out Party]

    - Davosocrats

    - The Night Of The Long Knives Party

    - KAG: Kiss America(ns) Good-Bye party

    - DOP – Defenestration Of Pravda

    - BVD – Bond Villains Directorate

    - GAP – Globalists Almighty Party

    - FLOG – Feudal Lords Over Globe

    - DRP – Dear Rulers Party

    - CCCP – Crony Capitalist Cartel Party

    - DOA Party – Death Of America

    - Re-Republican Party

    - The GULAGS Party – Give Us Loyalty And Go Scratch

    - The Betrayocrats

    - GDP – Globalist Dominator Party

    - GIG – Greed Is Goodocrats

    - The ReSnublicans

    - OBE – Open Borders Empire

    - The HABLA Party – Hire Anybody But Loathsome Americans

    - Parasite-ocrats

    - GO – Globalist Overlords

    - The VIP Party – Visas In Perpetuity

    - The KKK – The Kapitalist Kucks Klan

    - STP – Soft Totalitarianism Proconsuls

    - RATS – Ruthless Anarcho-Tyrants

    - The WHIP Party – Welcoming Hordes of Immigrants Party

    - The Yiffies … The YFS Party – Your Future Sucks

    - RTS Party – Road To Serfdom

    - BOP – Bend Over Party

    - TED Talks – Treason Every Day Talks

    - GAGA – Go Away, Goddamn Americans

    - WARP – War And Resettlement Party

    - FOAM – Friends Of All Migrants

    - FOAM – Foes Of Americans’ Mandates

    - GUAVA – GIVE UP AND VANISH ALREADY Party

    - The Re-Puke-licans

    - The EKG Party – Envy Kim’s Government

    - The POS Party – Pigs On Steroids

    - The PC Party – Publicly Cuckolded party

    - The Merkelicans

    - Dictatorship Of The Profiteers

    - TPP – The Ponzi Party

    - NAFTA – No American Future To Allow

    - GATT – Globalism Almighty, Tough Titties [Globalism Almighty Through Treason / Treachery ]

    - OBAMA Party – Openly Bring All Migrants Already

    - AGW – Anthropogenic Globalist Warlords

    - NSDAP – Never Support Damned American People

    - ISIS Party – I Say It’s So

    - AARP – Adios Americans Replacement Party

    - KAOS – Kill Americans Off Slowly

    - WAYNE – We Are Your Nowledgeable Experts

    - The DC Party – Damned Cuckservative Party

    - TUPPERWARE – Trust Us Professional Prostitutes Ever Respectfully While Americans Replaced Everyday

    (Whew, you made it!)

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    " TUPPERWARE – Trust Us Professional Prostitutes Ever Respectfully While Americans"

    The TUPPERWARE Party! How funny!
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  162. ‘Keeping Up with the Kazarians’ Party

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  163. Hugh says:

    The Vichy Party.

    The Simpering Surrender Monkeys (SSM to get the gay GOP on board).

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  164. The Know-Nothings was my first instinct.
    The Neo-Conservative Party would be nice – bipartisan, in fact.

    But then I thought, why not the PRI? The Institutional Revolutionary Party….seems it could fit!

    But Cuba has relevance here as well.. How about the Orthodox Renovation Party?

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    The (((((party)))))

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  166. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Diversity Heretic
    I'm not sure that it would delegitimize the entire democratic process, but it ought to delegitimize the people leading such a movement from any future in the party that nominated Donald Trump. We could be seeing the breakup of the Republican Party as it has existed and the formation of a new party. It's hard to imagine a viable national third party, given the American system of winner- take-all elections.

    What would delegitimize the democratic process would be widespread vote fraud and legal disenfranchisement (being turned away from the polls on a pretext or intimidated from voting). Once the idea that election results need be followed is lost, people start picking up guns and the military has to decide whose orders it will obey.

    Once the idea that election results need be followed is lost, people start picking up guns and the military has to decide whose orders it will obey.

    Certain units will obey certain orders. Other units, other orders. Then things get really interesting.

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    Perhaps the most important people in the world at that point would be the commanders of submarines with sea-launched ballistic missiles carrying nuclear warheads. Once at sea they are basically unfindable even by their own navies, and captains are in complete control of the information available to the crew. Imagine a captain willing to back a faction in a civil war with even one nuclear attack--and Ohio class submarines carry 24 missiles. (I am aware that it takes three people to launch a mixxile, but finding three like-minded people on a submarine might not be that difficult.) I know nuclear submarine crews are carefully screened, but I wonder how one screens for those kind of attitudes.
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  167. ¿How about a ¿Jeb? Bush / Lindsey Graham ticket for this ¡New and Improved! Republican Party II? ¿They would poll, ¿what? maybe 2%? ¡Perfectamente!

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  168. @Anonymous

    Once the idea that election results need be followed is lost, people start picking up guns and the military has to decide whose orders it will obey.
     
    Certain units will obey certain orders. Other units, other orders. Then things get really interesting.

    Perhaps the most important people in the world at that point would be the commanders of submarines with sea-launched ballistic missiles carrying nuclear warheads. Once at sea they are basically unfindable even by their own navies, and captains are in complete control of the information available to the crew. Imagine a captain willing to back a faction in a civil war with even one nuclear attack–and Ohio class submarines carry 24 missiles. (I am aware that it takes three people to launch a mixxile, but finding three like-minded people on a submarine might not be that difficult.) I know nuclear submarine crews are carefully screened, but I wonder how one screens for those kind of attitudes.

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    A Soviet sub commander chose not to escalate during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. So far the world has been lucky in the quality of individuals chosen to command nuclear missile subs.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Imagine a captain willing to back a faction in a civil war with even one nuclear attack–"

    I'm not sure that sub-crews have the ability to change the targeting of their weapons. In any case, there is a word for a man who would do what you suggest - murder (potentially) millions of his own countrymen..........traitor. A traitor to his own people. Any captain who attempted to do what you describe should be given a drum-head trial by his crew and executed.

    , @BenKenobi
    Sounds like a naval version of Dr Strangelove.

    PS: I get it, Steve. No more Sturmabteilung jokes.
    , @Former Darfur
    A US boomer could launch, but without the PAL codes the missiles would be duds. The PAL codes are not on the boat.
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  169. LondonBob says:

    Bloomberg makes his decision in a week or two, after which it will be too late. He is delusional enough to believe he would be successful, he believes he could win NY and California thus denying a majority, as well as taking equally from right or left. Personally I go with Pat Buchanan’s assessment that he would guarantee a Trump landslide.

    Of course I suspect the real purposes of a third party would be to derail Trump by splitting the vote for HRC, or sending the election to the Senate and House. Such Chutzpah.

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    Chutzpah Party
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    This is rich. I don’t know the specifics, but hasn’t the Establishment spent decades getting draconian laws passed that disadvantage independent candidates? Now they get to eat a little of their own cooking…

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  171. @Diversity Heretic
    Perhaps the most important people in the world at that point would be the commanders of submarines with sea-launched ballistic missiles carrying nuclear warheads. Once at sea they are basically unfindable even by their own navies, and captains are in complete control of the information available to the crew. Imagine a captain willing to back a faction in a civil war with even one nuclear attack--and Ohio class submarines carry 24 missiles. (I am aware that it takes three people to launch a mixxile, but finding three like-minded people on a submarine might not be that difficult.) I know nuclear submarine crews are carefully screened, but I wonder how one screens for those kind of attitudes.

    A Soviet sub commander chose not to escalate during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. So far the world has been lucky in the quality of individuals chosen to command nuclear missile subs.

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    Do you have a link to that incident in the Cuban Missile Crisis? I've only just learned about it and it sounds fascinating.

    Around 1970, there was a novel entitled Preempt, in which the plot revolved around Harris Hawk, the commander of the ultra-modern ballistic missile submarine USS Nathan Hale, who threatens both the U.S. and the U.S.S.R.; I don't remember the details. To back up his threat, he deceives the crew, convincing them that they are firing on China, but in reality the submarine fires a warhead into the Nevada Test Site, so there's no meaningful damage. The warning shot into the Soviet Union has more dramatic effect, but the submarine is itself damaged by a nuclear counterattack. Most of the officers are killed, and a junior medical officer takes over and sails the submarine into an American base, where it surfaces and strikes its colors. A four-star goes aboard, ascertains what has happened, who has died, and then says, "So you brought her home!" That scene has always stuck with me, as has the scenario.

    Other nuclear force commanders (bombers and ICBMs) would also have choices, but they would have to be exercised very quickly since infantry can capture ICBM silos and bomber bases but the submarines at sea would have the chance to ascertain how the fight is going and decide what to do based on the probable outcome. As you do, I hope that the commandes are highly intelligent, emotionally stable individuals.
    , @Moshe
    I met a guy who worked in one of those capsules. He claimed they get launch choices at random times every day. They just don't know if the launch codes will actually make anything launch.
    , @manton
    This sounds wrong to me for a number of reasons. SSBNs were a new technology at the time (we only got Polaris working in 1960) and all the Russian subs back then were still diesel, which made them very tricky to operate (frequent surfacing, battery issues and so on). They had a very limited range, and so would had to have been deployed in the Western Hemisphere, which meant Cuba--the only ally the Soviets had here at that time--but Cuba didn't have the facilities. Also, they hadn't perfected solid fuel for SLBMs yet, which meant liquid, which had to be refueled every 30 days, another thing they couldn't do in Cuba.

    Here is a relevant report:

    https://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/2012_10_24_Norris_Cuban_Missile_Crisis_Nuclear_Order_of_Battle.pdf

    Key quote: "Although the Soviets had many ballistic missile (and cruise missile) submarines none played a role in the Cuban crisis."

    That said, if you have other information, I'd like to see it.

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  172. TangoMan says:

    Didn’t Ross Perot have to hit some threshold in order to qualify for Secret Service protection? I don’t recall the Libertarian Party candidate getting a SS detail nor Ralph Nader. I’d imagine if this new party’s candidate was running simply to be a spoiler that this would increase their risk profile, wouldn’t it? How eager would any candidate be to go out in public intending to be a spoiler in an atmosphere when half the voters are carrying pitchforks?

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  173. @IHTG
    I could see them calling themselves "The Conservative Party".

    Whenever Rubio or any pundits say that Trump isn’t a real conservative, I am reminded of the GK Chesterton quote

    The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected.

    It sums up Conservatism Inc. perfectly…

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    This Chesterson fellow certainly is quotable, what's the deal with him? Could a man, at one time, make a living being quotable?

    The academic mind reflects infinity, and is full of light by the simple process of being shallow and standing still.

    To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.

    Without education, we are in a horrible and deadly danger of taking educated people seriously.

    Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up.

    Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

    Why it's enough to make me read some of his essays.
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  174. 42 BDE says:

    The Leftoverture party?
    The (burning) wick party?
    The Bolsheviks?

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  175. @utu
    He can enforce the law. Hiring illegals is illegal. The current law:

    First offenders can be fined $250-$2,000 per illegal employee.
    For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee.
    Three or more offenses can cost an employer $3000-$10,000 per illegal employee. A pattern of knowingly employing illegal immigrants can mean extra fines and up to six months in jail for an employer.

    Obviously, it would be better if the law was stricter. Anyway, illegal immigration can be stopped at the demand side if there is a will of the executive branch. No fence (supply side) is needed.

    I would like to see Trump talking about penalization of employers and stop talking about the stupid fence.

    Friend of mine got his family agricultural business out of tobacco, which they’d been in for three or four generations, because one raid and the ensuing fines would seriously crippled the whole enterprise. But only illegal wages made it profitable anyway. He said, to hell with it and hires no illegals in the rest of the business…

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  176. Romanian says:
    @Anonymous
    The Know Everything party

    The Remember Nothing Party

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  177. @Mr. Blank
    Partido Revolucionario Institucional.

    Why pretend any longer?

    "Likud Party" isn't right. The Likud believes in borders.

    Likud believes in borders . . . for Israel.

    Netanyahu personally attacked Trump’s immigration proposals.

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    "Netanyahu personally attacked Trump’s immigration proposals."

    And that was after Trump made a TV spot for Israeli TV endorsing Netanyahu too. That's some real loyalty there.

    By the way, that was incredibly bad judgement of Trump to make that ad, given that he must have known he would be running for President when he made it. A private american citizen can endorse a politician in a foreign election; a candidate for President of the United States should not.
    , @Gabriel M
    Not true. Netanyahu was under pressure from Leftist and Arab MKs (links available on demand) to ban Trump from visiting. He didn't want another headache or the risk that his coalition (which includes a number of lefty douches) would fall apart, nor did he want to get in further trouble with Europe (where Trump is almost universally loathed) so he issued a weaselly statement about how Israel is a democracy that respects all religions and his reception of Trump should not be treated as an endorsement of his policies. Of course this was a pathetic wimpy thing to do, and dumb as well, in retrospect, but that's Netanyahu all over, an unprincipled man with no vision perennially thinking about how to ride out the next week.
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  178. @Steve Sailer
    A Soviet sub commander chose not to escalate during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. So far the world has been lucky in the quality of individuals chosen to command nuclear missile subs.

    Do you have a link to that incident in the Cuban Missile Crisis? I’ve only just learned about it and it sounds fascinating.

    Around 1970, there was a novel entitled Preempt, in which the plot revolved around Harris Hawk, the commander of the ultra-modern ballistic missile submarine USS Nathan Hale, who threatens both the U.S. and the U.S.S.R.; I don’t remember the details. To back up his threat, he deceives the crew, convincing them that they are firing on China, but in reality the submarine fires a warhead into the Nevada Test Site, so there’s no meaningful damage. The warning shot into the Soviet Union has more dramatic effect, but the submarine is itself damaged by a nuclear counterattack. Most of the officers are killed, and a junior medical officer takes over and sails the submarine into an American base, where it surfaces and strikes its colors. A four-star goes aboard, ascertains what has happened, who has died, and then says, “So you brought her home!” That scene has always stuck with me, as has the scenario.

    Other nuclear force commanders (bombers and ICBMs) would also have choices, but they would have to be exercised very quickly since infantry can capture ICBM silos and bomber bases but the submarines at sea would have the chance to ascertain how the fight is going and decide what to do based on the probable outcome. As you do, I hope that the commandes are highly intelligent, emotionally stable individuals.

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    It was a submarine only equipped with torpedoes, one of them nuclear. If it would have fired its nuclear torpedo, it would have sunk at least one (perhaps more? I'm no expert) American warship. It's not impossible that it would've started WW3, but not totally sure either.
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  179. The Real Housewives of Manhattan Party

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  180. anon says: • Disclaimer

    The How Many Times Do I Have To Explain What Is Good For You? Party

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  181. The Praetorian Guard.

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  182. K Street

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  183. @Anonymous
    LIKUD II

    The movie trailer would say “Likud II: this time it’s not about real estate”

    Actually, the best movie reference to explain the current state of the GOP establishment is this scene:

    Alec Baldwin plays Donald Trump and we all know who everyone else in that room represent. “Third prize is tickets on the National Review post-election cruise”: http://www.nrcruise.com/

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  184. The Bukkake Party (sorry!)

    The question is, who’s going to be in the middle?

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  185. MEH 0910 says:

    Sell Your Birthright for a Mess of Pottage Party.

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  186. Apropos of absolutely nothing, that’s the stereo album version of the song. The mono, single version (of a different recording session) was the hit.

    Carry on.

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  187. If Trump does win the GOP nomination, those who can’t go along will have two options:

    For cuckservatives:
    The Piñata Party

    For the inevitable Democrat and neocon alliance:
    The Permanent Revolution Party or Perps for short

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  188. NickG says:

    The anti Trumpen Proletariat Party

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  189. BB753 says:

    The Log Cabin Party. With Lindsey Graham as VP to Marco “Bell Boy” Rubio as candidate for president.

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  190. slumber_j says:

    With such a short time horizon, it would be nice to deploy a name that’s on all their lips already, all the time. Hamilton.

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  191. Trump must be happy he signed that loyalty pledge now!

    “The No Loyalty Party”

    “The Treachery Party”

    “The Unfaithful Party”

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    Yes, he IS happy. He had this very contingency in mind all along. So, he took the high road, signed the pledge, knowing these weasels would pull EXACTLY this stunt. Which means Trump can say to America, LOOK at these welshing bastards. *I* signed a loyalty pledge, but THEY reneged. Trump's poll numbers soar ever higher.
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  192. The Sorcerers Of Death’s Construction Party.

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  193. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The Republican party has a winner in Trump and yet they don’t want him? One might think they’d be overjoyed at having a hot property and yet here they are trying to undercut him. Seems strange but this exposes how the alleged two party system is just a rigged insider’s club. Don’t be surprised if they’d prefer Hilary becoming president to that of one from their own party.

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    The Republican party has a winner in Trump and yet they don’t want him?

    You don't get it. Trump is the winner but that's the problem for "them." They are only winners if their candidates takes orders from "them."
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  194. Three No Trump

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    They say one no-trump is the hardest contract to make, so that may be the most accurate name.
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  195. Cracker says:

    Not exactly OT:

    …”my sympathies are with Ted Cruz, for the pedestrian reason that I agree with him more on most issues than with the other candidates. If he were to be eliminated, I would almost certainly prefer Trump to Rubio (for reasons that will emerge later). “”

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431951/donald-trump-gop-future

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    …”my sympathies are with Ted Cruz, for the pedestrian reason that I agree with him more on most issues than with the other candidates. If he were to be eliminated, I would almost certainly prefer Trump to Rubio (for reasons that will emerge later). “”

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431951/donald-trump-gop-future
     
    Wow -- that was a huge surprise in a good way. From John O'Sullivan at National Review:

    ​As a New York Democrat once remarked, the Republicans have a choice: They can either change their policy on immigration or their policies on everything else.
     
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  196. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    How about the “Can’t Get On The Ballot” Party due to draconian state laws and legal hoop-jumping preventing legitimate political diversity and expression?

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    "How about the “Can’t Get On The Ballot” Party due to draconian state laws and legal hoop-jumping preventing legitimate political diversity and expression?"

    Yes, that would be funny if they were stymied in getting on the ballot by the very procedures that their own party operatives put into effect for the purpose of knee-capping third-party alternatives.
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  197. National Cuckoldry Party

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  198. The After Party.

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  199. JSM says:
    @24AheadDotCom
    Speaking about amnesty, Trump supports mass legalization of ex-illegal aliens. He'd try to deport all illegal aliens (politically impossible), then he'd let "the best" come back. For the same political reasons, "the best" would become anyone who doesn't have a current APB out for them.

    Past comments have resulted in personal smears, but I welcome anyone to present a valid counter-argument. Explain how a) given the Constitution and Congress and the courts and the entire elite including litigious far-left NGOs, Trump could do what he proposes to do; b) how he could resist those same forces expanding his touchback scheme from "the best" into as many as possible.

    P.S. In case anyone would like to *help* Trump and the U.S. rather than enabling him scamming the U.S., demand better from him. Don't treat him like Bieber, treat him like what he wants to be: your employee. Demand he proposes real plans and demand that he intellectually engages the pro-amnesty side rather than just calling them names. Stop the slide to idiocracy, don't further it.

    how he could resist those same forces expanding his touchback scheme from “the best” into as many as possible. Easy. Trump understands bureaucratic bungling / inefficiency / inability to get ANYTHING done. Make the paperwork for returnees so egregious (get the IRS to consult) and, voila, 3 green cards approved per month!!

    The law will be, you must go back to Mexico and wait there for your green card. If you come again without one, you are immediately ineligible. Fortunately, mestizos are dumb, so they’ll wait. Patiently. Three weeks. Three months. “Gonna get my paperwork approved any day now.” Five years. “Any Day Now.” Wall gets built. Thirty years: Like Charlie Brown, “It’s for SURE that, this time, for sure!!!” …….

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  200. JSM says:
    @Massimo Heitor
    Trump must be happy he signed that loyalty pledge now!

    "The No Loyalty Party"

    "The Treachery Party"

    "The Unfaithful Party"

    Yes, he IS happy. He had this very contingency in mind all along. So, he took the high road, signed the pledge, knowing these weasels would pull EXACTLY this stunt. Which means Trump can say to America, LOOK at these welshing bastards. *I* signed a loyalty pledge, but THEY reneged. Trump’s poll numbers soar ever higher.

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  201. JSM says:
    @LondonBob
    Bloomberg makes his decision in a week or two, after which it will be too late. He is delusional enough to believe he would be successful, he believes he could win NY and California thus denying a majority, as well as taking equally from right or left. Personally I go with Pat Buchanan's assessment that he would guarantee a Trump landslide.

    Of course I suspect the real purposes of a third party would be to derail Trump by splitting the vote for HRC, or sending the election to the Senate and House. Such Chutzpah.

    Chutzpah Party

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  202. Chess Fan says:

    The RABBI party. Rabid Anti-American Blustering Belligerent Idiots.

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  203. El Partido De Los Conservadores Naturales

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  204. How about Bloomie Bros.?

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  205. JMurray says:
    @JMurray
    This is easy. Only one name will do. The Aristocrats.

    I think you missed my point. Go look up that name as “world’s dirtiest joke”

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  206. Matra says: • Website

    They’re donors. They’re offended by Trump’s proposed ban on Muslims. The Donor Kebab Party.

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    You win. End thread.
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  207. In honor of a current production at the Met:
    The Pearl Clutchers

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  208. The party-like-its-1999 Party!
    Honestly, they pretty much want a return to George W. Bush running for prez.

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  209. It’s My Party (And I’ll Cry If I Want To)

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  210. Love “Traitors without Borders”

    I’d suggest:

    “White workers need to die” Party

    or

    “Country Clubs United”

    “America without Americans”

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  211. Spyder says:

    What will happen if Trump wins the nomination and wins the general? Will these hack Republicans admit they were wrong about everything and that Trump helped their party expand more than their policy papers admitted?

    It is amazing how Rush Limbaugh is sounding a lot like Sailer when it comes to demographics and voting patterns–he laid out how the Republicans are retarded for thinking hispancis will ever vote for Republicans in a big way. Even Krugman is suprised by the Republican establishment dont understand that voters don’t give a damn about cutting Social Security and Medicare. With Trump’s campaign I’m seeing Sailers strategy to victory in play against the media, and against the “conservative media” that exists in Washington DC and New York.

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    Can you name one pundit or hack ever admitting to being wrong on something? Punditry is the best job in America bar none. You never get fired for being wrong. You just show up. Performance doesn't count.
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  212. To paraphrase Sally Field, They hate me. They really hate me.

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  213. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    PPP

    Party Pooper Party

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  214. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Party name is not that important, the key is to ensure they can get their man on the ballot…Dwayne Hector Cammacho Mountain Dew!!!

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  215. A slogan with impeccable Republican antecedents:
    Normalcy

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  216. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    IGOP

    invited guests only party

    WOSP

    wussy obedience school party

    NOSE

    new oligarch supremacist party

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  217. This presidential race is starting to sound like a Houellebecq novel. This is a two-party version of the political maneuvering that transpired in Submission. The Neo-Cons teaming up with the left to defeat the populist right.

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  218. e says:
    @22pp22
    Speaking as a non-American, if the GOP deliberately threw the election because they didn't approve of the candidate endorsed by their members, would that not de-legitimize the entire "democratic" process in the US? In the UK or NZ, the National/Conservative Party would splinter and disappear for ever. The people who had voted for them would effectively have been disenfranchised and would no longer have any moral reason to operate within the system.

    The people who had voted for them would effectively have been disenfranchised and would no longer have any moral reason to operate within the system.

    The way I see it, clearly half the country already feel disenfranchised and THAT is why Trump resonates. As things are right now, that half clearly feel they are ONE step away from “no longer any moral reason to operate within the system.” That covers the urban poor, the rural and flyover poor, the working class, a good section of the middle class who see their money redistributed to slackers and hustlers, the hustlers being anyone from a college kid trying to stay in college forever on a low-interest loan to the biggest of Wall Street sharks.

    This whole uprising is a cry to the pols, “Pay ATTENTION to ME. I am an American!”

    Wait until Trump wins the GOP nod and starts in earnest talking about bringing back a manufacturing base.

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  219. Moshe says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    A Soviet sub commander chose not to escalate during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. So far the world has been lucky in the quality of individuals chosen to command nuclear missile subs.

    I met a guy who worked in one of those capsules. He claimed they get launch choices at random times every day. They just don’t know if the launch codes will actually make anything launch.

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  220. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The Anti American Spring (AAS) party.

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  221. Shelly’s Shekels.

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  222. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    SFHP

    spoilers for hillary party

    PCP

    please clap party

    NCWP

    new cold war party

    WRP

    wussy riot party

    DCMCP

    don’t call me cuck party

    TSP

    trial separation party

    AMP

    ashley madison party

    PSBRBGMAWAPBNCAAAHAP

    putin sucks because russia bans gay marriage and we are proud because new conservatives are all about the homo agenda party

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  223. @Intelligent Dasein
    A phrase occurred to me this morning which I think accurately describes the kind of government Cruz or Rubio would like to institute: The Constitutional Dictatorship.

    It could be considered as the epitome of everything the Establishment GOP has been trying to effect lo these past 16 years---a mandatory Straussian liberal democracy as conceived of by the Rand Corporation, the Pentagon, and the Heritage Foundation. I have felt this rough beast slouching towards Bethlehem for many years now, and have spent many a blogging hour trying to describe it in a necessarily limited, inchoate style. But now it seems we are witnessing the first adumbrations of its actual emergence, and it is imperative that we slay the horrible thing in the cradle.

    Yes, but I’m not so sure they’d care for the constitution at all when attacking Middle Eastern countries.

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  225. @Mr. Blank
    Partido Revolucionario Institucional.

    Why pretend any longer?

    "Likud Party" isn't right. The Likud believes in borders.

    The Likud believes in borders.

    Not for gentiles. Remember what Netanyahu said against Trump which led to Trump cancelling his Israeli visit?

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  226. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    HWP

    house whigga party

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  227. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    SAPP

    silverspoon against pitchfork party

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  228. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    FSP

    fatcat shrugged party

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  229. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    sabotage party

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  230. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @JerryC
    The Democratic Party Ladies' Auxilliary.

    “The Democratic Party Ladies’ Auxilliary”

    This is funny.

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  231. e says:

    The WKWB (in New York) Party …….(said like WKRP in Cincinnati) =

    The “We Know What’s Best” Party

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  232. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Auntie Analogue
    Okay, gang. Take a deep breath and. . . :



    - The MAO Party - Masks Are Off.


    - Die Endlösung Partei


    - The Idiocrats (No, wait: that'd be the other same-same party. You know, Hilligula's outfit)


    - Civilizational Suicidocrats


    - PSYOP - Perpetually Sell You Out Party [Or: Profiteers Sell You Out Party]


    - Davosocrats


    - The Night Of The Long Knives Party


    - KAG: Kiss America(ns) Good-Bye party


    - DOP - Defenestration Of Pravda


    - BVD - Bond Villains Directorate


    - GAP - Globalists Almighty Party


    - FLOG - Feudal Lords Over Globe


    - DRP - Dear Rulers Party


    - CCCP - Crony Capitalist Cartel Party


    - DOA Party - Death Of America


    - Re-Republican Party


    - The GULAGS Party - Give Us Loyalty And Go Scratch


    - The Betrayocrats


    - GDP - Globalist Dominator Party


    - GIG - Greed Is Goodocrats


    - The ReSnublicans


    - OBE - Open Borders Empire


    - The HABLA Party - Hire Anybody But Loathsome Americans


    - Parasite-ocrats


    - GO - Globalist Overlords


    - The VIP Party - Visas In Perpetuity


    - The KKK - The Kapitalist Kucks Klan


    - STP - Soft Totalitarianism Proconsuls


    - RATS - Ruthless Anarcho-Tyrants


    - The WHIP Party - Welcoming Hordes of Immigrants Party


    - The Yiffies ... The YFS Party - Your Future Sucks


    - RTS Party - Road To Serfdom


    - BOP - Bend Over Party


    - TED Talks - Treason Every Day Talks


    - GAGA - Go Away, Goddamn Americans


    - WARP - War And Resettlement Party


    - FOAM - Friends Of All Migrants


    - FOAM - Foes Of Americans' Mandates


    - GUAVA - GIVE UP AND VANISH ALREADY Party


    - The Re-Puke-licans


    - The EKG Party - Envy Kim's Government


    - The POS Party - Pigs On Steroids


    - The PC Party - Publicly Cuckolded party


    - The Merkelicans


    - Dictatorship Of The Profiteers


    - TPP - The Ponzi Party


    - NAFTA - No American Future To Allow


    - GATT - Globalism Almighty, Tough Titties [Globalism Almighty Through Treason / Treachery ]


    - OBAMA Party - Openly Bring All Migrants Already


    - AGW - Anthropogenic Globalist Warlords


    - NSDAP - Never Support Damned American People


    - ISIS Party - I Say It's So


    - AARP - Adios Americans Replacement Party


    - KAOS - Kill Americans Off Slowly


    - WAYNE - We Are Your Nowledgeable Experts


    - The DC Party - Damned Cuckservative Party


    - TUPPERWARE - Trust Us Professional Prostitutes Ever Respectfully While Americans Replaced Everyday



    (Whew, you made it!)

    ” TUPPERWARE – Trust Us Professional Prostitutes Ever Respectfully While Americans”

    The TUPPERWARE Party! How funny!

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  233. e says:
    @anonymous
    The Republican party has a winner in Trump and yet they don't want him? One might think they'd be overjoyed at having a hot property and yet here they are trying to undercut him. Seems strange but this exposes how the alleged two party system is just a rigged insider's club. Don't be surprised if they'd prefer Hilary becoming president to that of one from their own party.

    The Republican party has a winner in Trump and yet they don’t want him?

    You don’t get it. Trump is the winner but that’s the problem for “them.” They are only winners if their candidates takes orders from “them.”

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  234. @Herodotus
    The Bourbon-Romanov Party
    The Benedict Arnold Party (rejected and replaced by The Vidkun Quisling Party, they do it better in Spitsbergen)
    The More Equal Party, never be accused of racism again (no I've never read Animal Farm)
    The Conservative Unification of No Trumps
    The Internationalist Capitalist Billionaires Party
    The Rethuglicans, own it
    The Republocrats, center always wins
    The Dermot MacMurrough Party
    The Rubicon Party
    The Civil War Party
    The Loser Party
    The Fox-CNN Party
    The Banana Republicans
    Trans-National Republicans Usurping Might Party
    Tricky Recreant Unctuous Mock Plutocrats (dammit how does Trump keep getting his brand out there)
    And of course perennial Steve favorite National Association for the Advancement of Billionaire People

    National Association for the Advancement of Billionaire People

    Genius.

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  235. @Cracker
    Not exactly OT:

    ..."my sympathies are with Ted Cruz, for the pedestrian reason that I agree with him more on most issues than with the other candidates. If he were to be eliminated, I would almost certainly prefer Trump to Rubio (for reasons that will emerge later). ""

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431951/donald-trump-gop-future

    …”my sympathies are with Ted Cruz, for the pedestrian reason that I agree with him more on most issues than with the other candidates. If he were to be eliminated, I would almost certainly prefer Trump to Rubio (for reasons that will emerge later). “”

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431951/donald-trump-gop-future

    Wow — that was a huge surprise in a good way. From John O’Sullivan at National Review:

    ​As a New York Democrat once remarked, the Republicans have a choice: They can either change their policy on immigration or their policies on everything else.

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  236. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The Shut Up And Vote For Us Party

    The Jebs!

    It’s So Hard To Get Good Help These Days Party

    Goldman Sachs

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  237. res says:
    @TangoMan
    Poor folks and minorities voting for Trump, a billionaire!

    I suspect that you're misinterpreting the data. It's not minorities that are voting for Trump, it's whites who are forced to live around a lot of minorities, that is, they get to experience the joy of diversity for real while the anti-Trump voters, more isolated from minorities, get to experience diversity as a dream-state, and so they idealize it.

    To whatever degree Trump and Sanders are tapping into something, I don't think they completely overlap on demographics. Aren't Sanders' fans really gung-ho on idealizing diversity and wanting more immigration?

    I suspect that you’re misinterpreting the data. It’s not minorities that are voting for Trump, it’s whites who are forced to live around a lot of minorities, that is, they get to experience the joy of diversity for real while the anti-Trump voters, more isolated from minorities, get to experience diversity as a dream-state, and so they idealize it.

    I suspect you are right. What I find interesting is that the effect is large enough so any tendency of minorities to vote against Trump (per the conventional wisdom) is overwhelmed. I think I’ll take a look at how some of those variables appear against % Trump vote in a scatterplot. I wonder if the relationship is nonlinear. I suppose this behavior looks different for a primary than a general though (fewer minorities in GOP) so I need to think more about the implications.

    Thanks for posting the original link. There are some good data/scripts out there for analyzing the 2016 primary data.

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  238. whorefinder says: • Website

    The Federalist-Whig-Know Nothing-Reform-Bull-Moose Party.

    The Dustbin of History Party.

    Can’t I just be the token opposition? party

    The No Trumps Allowed Party

    Screw Populism Party

    Just slightly less lefty wing party.

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  239. AndrewR says:

    The Party for the
    Complete Subordination of US Interests to Israeli Interests

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  240. Bob ‘n’ Mick

    Big Oil, Billionaires, and Military Industrial Complex Kakistocracy

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  241. AndrewR says:
    @Matra
    They're donors. They're offended by Trump's proposed ban on Muslims. The Donor Kebab Party.

    You win. End thread.

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  242. Dutchman says:

    The give us your money and votes but otherwise shut the f–k up party.

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  243. ALM — All Lives Matter. It would be edgy and “courageous” in an acceptable mainstream kind of way. It would also signal the right of everyone anywhere on the planet to pursue their “American Dream” by coming to settle in America.

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  244. @Wes Banks
    Likud believes in walls

    Not for gentiles. See Netanyahu’s comments regarding Trump.

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  245. Jamie_NYC says:

    Pooper Party?

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  246. @I, Libertine
    Three No Trump

    They say one no-trump is the hardest contract to make, so that may be the most accurate name.

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  247. AndrewR says:
    @22pp22
    Speaking as a non-American, if the GOP deliberately threw the election because they didn't approve of the candidate endorsed by their members, would that not de-legitimize the entire "democratic" process in the US? In the UK or NZ, the National/Conservative Party would splinter and disappear for ever. The people who had voted for them would effectively have been disenfranchised and would no longer have any moral reason to operate within the system.

    In a Parliamentary system, Trump would probably be running under a different party. He was forced to run as a Republican due to the nature of American politics.

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  248. manton says:
    @Steve Sailer
    A Soviet sub commander chose not to escalate during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962. So far the world has been lucky in the quality of individuals chosen to command nuclear missile subs.

    This sounds wrong to me for a number of reasons. SSBNs were a new technology at the time (we only got Polaris working in 1960) and all the Russian subs back then were still diesel, which made them very tricky to operate (frequent surfacing, battery issues and so on). They had a very limited range, and so would had to have been deployed in the Western Hemisphere, which meant Cuba–the only ally the Soviets had here at that time–but Cuba didn’t have the facilities. Also, they hadn’t perfected solid fuel for SLBMs yet, which meant liquid, which had to be refueled every 30 days, another thing they couldn’t do in Cuba.

    Here is a relevant report:

    https://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/2012_10_24_Norris_Cuban_Missile_Crisis_Nuclear_Order_of_Battle.pdf

    Key quote: “Although the Soviets had many ballistic missile (and cruise missile) submarines none played a role in the Cuban crisis.”

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    The submarine in question had 22 torpedoes, one of which was equipped with a ten-kiloton nuclear warhead. In other words, it was a tactical nuclear weapon. If they were to attack, they were to use the nuclear torpedo first because after using their first torpedoes they were likely to be detected and destroyed, and they didn't want to chance being destroyed without using their most potent weapon.
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  249. J1234 says:
    @Anonymous
    The Know Everything party

    The Know Everything party

    HA HA! That’s got my vote!

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  250. Svigor says:

    The Oligarch Party
    The Plutocrat Party
    Globalist Party
    The Donor Party
    The Eminences Grises
    Cuckservative Party
    Judas Party
    Quisling Party
    Benedict Arnold Party
    Menshevik Party
    Philby Party
    Rosenberg Party
    Likud
    IW3 (IW cubed: Invade the World, Invite the World, In-hock to the World) Party
    Neoconservative Party
    Neocuckservative Party
    Neokahnservative Party

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  251. @Diversity Heretic
    Do you have a link to that incident in the Cuban Missile Crisis? I've only just learned about it and it sounds fascinating.

    Around 1970, there was a novel entitled Preempt, in which the plot revolved around Harris Hawk, the commander of the ultra-modern ballistic missile submarine USS Nathan Hale, who threatens both the U.S. and the U.S.S.R.; I don't remember the details. To back up his threat, he deceives the crew, convincing them that they are firing on China, but in reality the submarine fires a warhead into the Nevada Test Site, so there's no meaningful damage. The warning shot into the Soviet Union has more dramatic effect, but the submarine is itself damaged by a nuclear counterattack. Most of the officers are killed, and a junior medical officer takes over and sails the submarine into an American base, where it surfaces and strikes its colors. A four-star goes aboard, ascertains what has happened, who has died, and then says, "So you brought her home!" That scene has always stuck with me, as has the scenario.

    Other nuclear force commanders (bombers and ICBMs) would also have choices, but they would have to be exercised very quickly since infantry can capture ICBM silos and bomber bases but the submarines at sea would have the chance to ascertain how the fight is going and decide what to do based on the probable outcome. As you do, I hope that the commandes are highly intelligent, emotionally stable individuals.

    It was a submarine only equipped with torpedoes, one of them nuclear. If it would have fired its nuclear torpedo, it would have sunk at least one (perhaps more? I’m no expert) American warship. It’s not impossible that it would’ve started WW3, but not totally sure either.

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  252. Mr. Anon says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    Perhaps the most important people in the world at that point would be the commanders of submarines with sea-launched ballistic missiles carrying nuclear warheads. Once at sea they are basically unfindable even by their own navies, and captains are in complete control of the information available to the crew. Imagine a captain willing to back a faction in a civil war with even one nuclear attack--and Ohio class submarines carry 24 missiles. (I am aware that it takes three people to launch a mixxile, but finding three like-minded people on a submarine might not be that difficult.) I know nuclear submarine crews are carefully screened, but I wonder how one screens for those kind of attitudes.

    “Imagine a captain willing to back a faction in a civil war with even one nuclear attack–”

    I’m not sure that sub-crews have the ability to change the targeting of their weapons. In any case, there is a word for a man who would do what you suggest – murder (potentially) millions of his own countrymen……….traitor. A traitor to his own people. Any captain who attempted to do what you describe should be given a drum-head trial by his crew and executed.

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  253. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous
    How about the "Can't Get On The Ballot" Party due to draconian state laws and legal hoop-jumping preventing legitimate political diversity and expression?

    “How about the “Can’t Get On The Ballot” Party due to draconian state laws and legal hoop-jumping preventing legitimate political diversity and expression?”

    Yes, that would be funny if they were stymied in getting on the ballot by the very procedures that their own party operatives put into effect for the purpose of knee-capping third-party alternatives.

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  254. Neocon Billionaire Ball Washers Party

    Lewis Black: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5T8Gxk7vbec

    Neocon Cabana Boys Party

    White Shoe Boyz Party

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  255. @Anon7
    The Sockless Puppets Party

    (Also, who knew that Leslie Gore was really Leslie Sue Goldstein, a nice Jewish girl who came out as a life-long lesbian. Everything I know about the Sixties is wrong now.)

    My father, an IATSE stagehand who worked a lot of old time rock and roll shows and into the new wave era (actually he retired right after 9/11) told me Gore was a mussypuncher back in the seventies. I figured he was FOS because he said the same thing about Joan Jett, Debra Harry and one of the Go-Gos I won’t name because she is not out.

    Old buzzard turned out to be right. And reminds me all the time.

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    Jane Wiedlin and Belinda Carlisle are already known. Debbie (or Deborah, but never 'Debra'!) Harry has openly admitted to lesbian sexual encounters too. Joan Jett is "officially" closeted but is widely known to be exclusively lesbian.

    The percentage of female rock and rock-pop performers known to be lesbians or bisexuals is far higher than the percentage of male music figures known as gay or bisexual. This fits with the Sailerish worldview exactly.
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  256. Mr. Anon says:
    @John Gruskos
    Likud believes in borders . . . for Israel.

    Netanyahu personally attacked Trump's immigration proposals.

    “Netanyahu personally attacked Trump’s immigration proposals.”

    And that was after Trump made a TV spot for Israeli TV endorsing Netanyahu too. That’s some real loyalty there.

    By the way, that was incredibly bad judgement of Trump to make that ad, given that he must have known he would be running for President when he made it. A private american citizen can endorse a politician in a foreign election; a candidate for President of the United States should not.

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    Actually, foreign politicians, including elected officials of certain countries, often participate in other countries' campaigns. I remember Aznar of Spain and Berlusconi participating in one of Orbán's campaign rallies back in 2002 or so.

    Of course, they were leaders of sister parties.

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  257. fish says:
    @Gato de la Biblioteca
    CAFCA: Conquistador Americans for Conquering America.

    Metrosexual-Boot-Stomping-on-an-American-Face-Forever Party

    Shouldn't that be: Metrosexual-Loafer-Tapping-an-American-Face-Forever Party

    Shouldn’t that be: Metrosexual-Loafer-Tapping-an-American-Face-Forever Party

    Too wordy.

    ….how bout “The PillowBiters”?

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  258. TWS says:

    United World Party, Pan American Party, North American Union Party, and of course the Cuckistan Cuckservative Party.

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  259. BenKenobi says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    Perhaps the most important people in the world at that point would be the commanders of submarines with sea-launched ballistic missiles carrying nuclear warheads. Once at sea they are basically unfindable even by their own navies, and captains are in complete control of the information available to the crew. Imagine a captain willing to back a faction in a civil war with even one nuclear attack--and Ohio class submarines carry 24 missiles. (I am aware that it takes three people to launch a mixxile, but finding three like-minded people on a submarine might not be that difficult.) I know nuclear submarine crews are carefully screened, but I wonder how one screens for those kind of attitudes.

    Sounds like a naval version of Dr Strangelove.

    PS: I get it, Steve. No more Sturmabteilung jokes.

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  260. the Immigrants More Fun party.

    the Israel’s Monetary Fighters party.

    the Ignorant Mother F*****s party.

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  261. @Diversity Heretic
    Perhaps the most important people in the world at that point would be the commanders of submarines with sea-launched ballistic missiles carrying nuclear warheads. Once at sea they are basically unfindable even by their own navies, and captains are in complete control of the information available to the crew. Imagine a captain willing to back a faction in a civil war with even one nuclear attack--and Ohio class submarines carry 24 missiles. (I am aware that it takes three people to launch a mixxile, but finding three like-minded people on a submarine might not be that difficult.) I know nuclear submarine crews are carefully screened, but I wonder how one screens for those kind of attitudes.

    A US boomer could launch, but without the PAL codes the missiles would be duds. The PAL codes are not on the boat.

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  262. @ben tillman

    …”my sympathies are with Ted Cruz, for the pedestrian reason that I agree with him more on most issues than with the other candidates. If he were to be eliminated, I would almost certainly prefer Trump to Rubio (for reasons that will emerge later). “”

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431951/donald-trump-gop-future
     
    Wow -- that was a huge surprise in a good way. From John O'Sullivan at National Review:

    ​As a New York Democrat once remarked, the Republicans have a choice: They can either change their policy on immigration or their policies on everything else.
     

    Poor John O’Sullivan he must have still have a vested retirement stake in NR somehow surviving its Neocon trainwrecking into obscurity, otherwise I bet he would tell the open borders loving ex-trotskyites running the place to go attempt the anatomically impossible and gladly see NR die.

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  264. Gabriel M says:
    @John Gruskos
    Likud believes in borders . . . for Israel.

    Netanyahu personally attacked Trump's immigration proposals.

    Not true. Netanyahu was under pressure from Leftist and Arab MKs (links available on demand) to ban Trump from visiting. He didn’t want another headache or the risk that his coalition (which includes a number of lefty douches) would fall apart, nor did he want to get in further trouble with Europe (where Trump is almost universally loathed) so he issued a weaselly statement about how Israel is a democracy that respects all religions and his reception of Trump should not be treated as an endorsement of his policies. Of course this was a pathetic wimpy thing to do, and dumb as well, in retrospect, but that’s Netanyahu all over, an unprincipled man with no vision perennially thinking about how to ride out the next week.

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  265. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    New World Order

    (obviously)

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  266. MG says:
    @Spyder
    What will happen if Trump wins the nomination and wins the general? Will these hack Republicans admit they were wrong about everything and that Trump helped their party expand more than their policy papers admitted?


    It is amazing how Rush Limbaugh is sounding a lot like Sailer when it comes to demographics and voting patterns--he laid out how the Republicans are retarded for thinking hispancis will ever vote for Republicans in a big way. Even Krugman is suprised by the Republican establishment dont understand that voters don't give a damn about cutting Social Security and Medicare. With Trump's campaign I'm seeing Sailers strategy to victory in play against the media, and against the "conservative media" that exists in Washington DC and New York.

    Can you name one pundit or hack ever admitting to being wrong on something? Punditry is the best job in America bar none. You never get fired for being wrong. You just show up. Performance doesn’t count.

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  267. M_Young says:

    Same as your name for the Redskins…the Gergens.

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  268. Spartan says:

    Cucks Amuck

    Shalom Usury

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  269. @manton
    This sounds wrong to me for a number of reasons. SSBNs were a new technology at the time (we only got Polaris working in 1960) and all the Russian subs back then were still diesel, which made them very tricky to operate (frequent surfacing, battery issues and so on). They had a very limited range, and so would had to have been deployed in the Western Hemisphere, which meant Cuba--the only ally the Soviets had here at that time--but Cuba didn't have the facilities. Also, they hadn't perfected solid fuel for SLBMs yet, which meant liquid, which had to be refueled every 30 days, another thing they couldn't do in Cuba.

    Here is a relevant report:

    https://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/2012_10_24_Norris_Cuban_Missile_Crisis_Nuclear_Order_of_Battle.pdf

    Key quote: "Although the Soviets had many ballistic missile (and cruise missile) submarines none played a role in the Cuban crisis."

    That said, if you have other information, I'd like to see it.

    The submarine in question had 22 torpedoes, one of which was equipped with a ten-kiloton nuclear warhead. In other words, it was a tactical nuclear weapon. If they were to attack, they were to use the nuclear torpedo first because after using their first torpedoes they were likely to be detected and destroyed, and they didn’t want to chance being destroyed without using their most potent weapon.

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  270. @Mr. Anon
    "Netanyahu personally attacked Trump’s immigration proposals."

    And that was after Trump made a TV spot for Israeli TV endorsing Netanyahu too. That's some real loyalty there.

    By the way, that was incredibly bad judgement of Trump to make that ad, given that he must have known he would be running for President when he made it. A private american citizen can endorse a politician in a foreign election; a candidate for President of the United States should not.

    Actually, foreign politicians, including elected officials of certain countries, often participate in other countries’ campaigns. I remember Aznar of Spain and Berlusconi participating in one of Orbán’s campaign rallies back in 2002 or so.

    Of course, they were leaders of sister parties.

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    "Actually, foreign politicians, including elected officials of certain countries, often participate in other countries’ campaigns."

    They shouldn't.
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  271. Rob McX says:

    The Sachs-Puppet Party.

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  272. Winthorp says:

    Knights of the Golden Circle
    Coke Party (Koch bros, Miami)

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  273. @Gabriel M
    Not true. Netanyahu was under pressure from Leftist and Arab MKs (links available on demand) to ban Trump from visiting. He didn't want another headache or the risk that his coalition (which includes a number of lefty douches) would fall apart, nor did he want to get in further trouble with Europe (where Trump is almost universally loathed) so he issued a weaselly statement about how Israel is a democracy that respects all religions and his reception of Trump should not be treated as an endorsement of his policies. Of course this was a pathetic wimpy thing to do, and dumb as well, in retrospect, but that's Netanyahu all over, an unprincipled man with no vision perennially thinking about how to ride out the next week.

    I suspect Trump has a lot of closet supporters in Europe. I cannot wait to see the look on David Cameron’s face when he meets with Nigel Farage or Gert Wilders. It will probably be more fear than loathing.

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    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/12/09/brits-oppose-muslim-policy-pockets-approval/

    Even UKIP voters don't like him. Now, of course, if the European media wasn't going full Pravda on him 24 hours a day things would be bit more balanced. This illustrates a general point: people in all countries are able to see the media is lying whenever they happen to know about a given issue, but generally assume that the media is not lying about things they don't know about. This is why people mostly have much more left wing opinions about other peoples' countries than there own.

    Anyway, it's always hilarious to watch people on Unz talk about Likud as if they are experts.

    Likud voters would like to see America do the following things.

    1) Recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital.
    2) Recognise the annexation of the Golan and East Jerusalem.
    3) Recognise the legality of settlements.
    4) Sort out Iran's nuclear programme.

    (Even Avodah voters would like 1,2 and 4)

    And yet in 8 years of neocon dominance during the Bush administration, none of these things happened, but billions of dollars were spent doing things that Likud voters couldn't care less about. Why? Because neocons like Paul Wolfowitz with his Palestinian wife and fantasies about Arab democracy have almost nothing in common with Likud. It is true that neocons is Israel chose the Likud as their vehicle of choice, just as neocons in American chose the Republicans, those in Britain chose the Tories etc. etc. Mostly they were Russian emigres, willfully ignorant of HBD who thought they could apply their experiences in the Soviet Union to the Arab problem. It was their idea to have elections in the Palestinian Authority. Most Israeli and Likudniks have come to the conclusion that they are idiots. Take home message: neoconnery is not a front for the Likud; Likud (a dysfunctional umbrella organisation prey to entryist politics) was briefly a front for neoconnery, just like the Republican party.

    As for what Likudniks think about American immigration policy, it's quite simple: they couldn't care less.
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  274. Goy Division

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    Goy Division
     
    Love that one!
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  275. The Vichy Experience
    Palpatine’s Pimps
    Quid Pro Status Quo
    Pre-operative Progressives
    Stuff White People Settle For

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  276. Guac Merchants.

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  277. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    The Know Everything party

    Thread WINNER !!!!!!

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  278. Svigor says:

    You’ll Get Nothing And Like It Party
    Marco Roboto Party
    The Third Party

    The_________Party

    And just have naming rights sold every four years, like stadiums.

    Beautiful.

    Benevolent Human Capital Mangement Party of the Human Capital Containment Zone of North and Central America

    Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Davos

    The Walls Are For Israel Party

    Nationalism for Me, Not for Thee Party

    I would like to see Trump talking about penalization of employers and stop talking about the stupid fence.

    I agree. But, walls are more Trump’s style, easier for voters to understand, and make for better visualization. Actually, now I’m visualizing fat greedos being frog-marched into paddy wagons, and I think I like that better.

    Friend of mine got his family agricultural business out of tobacco, which they’d been in for three or four generations, because one raid and the ensuing fines would seriously crippled the whole enterprise. But only illegal wages made it profitable anyway. He said, to hell with it and hires no illegals in the rest of the business…

    Tobacco sounds like one of the few businesses that need fear enforcement. Tobacco, oil, firearms. And anyone not baking cakes for homos.

    The warning shot into the Soviet Union has more dramatic effect, but the submarine is itself damaged by a nuclear counterattack.

    A sub commander firing nuclear warning shots is one of the stupidest premises I’ve ever read. From someone paid to write, anyway.

    First, please define “White America”. Second, if a number of “whites” believe that the problem is NOT Muslims, but radical Muslims–and there is an observable difference–are these “whites” anti-white?

    First, please define “define.” Then “first,” “please,” “second,” “if,” “a,” “number,” “of,” “believe,” “that,” “the,” “problem,” “is,” “not,” “Muslims,” “but,” “radical,” “and,” “there,” “an,” “observable,” “difference,” “these,” and “anti-white.”

    P.S., Goy Division, lol.

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  279. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    TIP

    Teen Idol Party

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  280. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    HPP

    Houellebecq Plan Party

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  281. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Rubio discovers his true self.

    Maybe the future of politics will be robots.

    Dems will build a perfect robot and GOP will build a perfect robot.

    Robot vs Robot. They will never fail, never deviate from script.

    Rubio is a prototype I think.

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    Asimov explains Rubio.

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  282. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Rubio story

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_(short_story)

    Rubio, the sci-fi candidate. No wonder Larry Ellison supports him.

    Rubio is a robot created in Sil Valley.

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    Ted Cruz, the horror candidate.

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/26/11120000/ted-cruz-zodiac-killer-why-evidence-theory

    Sort of looks like Freddy Kruger. Teddy Cruzzer.

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    Ted Cruz, the horror candidate.

    I knew that Ted Cruz/Zodiac Killer article was going to be awful, but I wasn't really prepared for just how awful it was.

    Is that how Millennial hipster articles are always written? All stream-of-consciousness, unedited, and full of lame jokes?
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  283. Standard Cuck Party

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  284. I’d love to see Steve take all these ideas in this thread to the NRO crowd on Wednesday and say “I did some informal market research and there’s huge enthusiasm for you guys forming a new third party. No one we talked to would vote for it but they’d all really love it if you went off and formed the party anyway. Here are some ideas we got for names”.

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  285. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    1st place – The Know Everything Party
    2nd place – The Banana Republicans

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  286. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    First, please define “define.”

    Is it related to what the definition of “is” is?

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  287. dr kill says:
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    Whenever Rubio or any pundits say that Trump isn't a real conservative, I am reminded of the GK Chesterton quote

    The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected.
     
    It sums up Conservatism Inc. perfectly...

    This Chesterson fellow certainly is quotable, what’s the deal with him? Could a man, at one time, make a living being quotable?

    The academic mind reflects infinity, and is full of light by the simple process of being shallow and standing still.

    To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.

    Without education, we are in a horrible and deadly danger of taking educated people seriously.

    Don’t ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up.

    Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

    Why it’s enough to make me read some of his essays.

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    This Chesterson fellow certainly is quotable, what’s the deal with him? Could a man, at one time, make a living being quotable?
     
    He had a column in the Illustrated London News for thirty years, and that wasn't enough, so he started his own G.K.'s Weekly during that time. With all that practice, he got rather good at aphorizing.
    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    The fence one is a particularly apt one these days, regarding border, obviously. But it also kind of relates to Steve's comments on prison reform... "Hey, crime's down. Let's let all these guys out of prison!"
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  289. Recuckista Party

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  290. Leftist conservative [AKA "Trump Kills Last Mosquito, Places Tiny Make America Great Hat On ZikaHead Baby"] says: • Website
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  291. @Mr. Anon
    "I can see hating those people, but hating them for running someone against Donald Trump? Don’t get it."

    In the first Republican debate, Bret Baier asked all the candidates to take a vow that they would support the Republican nominee (whoever he was) and not run as a third party candidate. All of them raised their hand except Trump. He relented a few days later and agreed to take the pledge.

    If this third party gambit is put into effect, Trump should remind the electorate of that fact.

    Thanks. That makes sense to me. Seems to me all the people who ran have to support Trump or they’re liars. Maybe not enthusiastically but have to endorse him and can’t campaign against him. But their word doesn’t bind anybody else.

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  292. KnowMad says:

    The Rove-ing Minstrels
    Or Cucks Without Borders

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  293. The ANAP (Amnesty North America Party) a division of Amnesty International.

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  294. Svigor says:

    The World Party
    Treacherous Basterds
    The Usury Party
    The Rent-Seekers
    The Slumlord Party
    BtRiH (Better to Rule in Hell) Party

    And that was after Trump made a TV spot for Israeli TV endorsing Netanyahu too. That’s some real loyalty there.

    Uri Segelman showed infinitely more solidarity than Booboo:

    American Jewry’s Disgraceful Hypocrisy

    Booboo the “Nationalist” (what are the Muslim immigration figures for Israel, Booboo?) wouldn’t crook his pinky finger to help American Nationalists, if it didn’t help him more. Might get a hangnail.

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  295. Svigor says:

    World Police
    Usurious Basterds
    The Vulcans
    Creative Destruction Party
    Burn the Village To Save It Party

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  296. Paul Kersey says: • Website

    Oppressed
    People
    Ensuring
    No

    White
    Identity
    Develops
    Ever

    Open Wide

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  297. No need to bother with changing the name, just enclosing the current one with triple parentheses will do.

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  298. Svigor says:

    The Trump Trump Party

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  299. Well we nearly got to three hundred comments here, so I may as well through in a few more ideas:

    Guns n’ Visas

    Disorder on the Border

    The American Open House Party

    Suburban Cuckservative Collective

    NAFTAR (National Association for the Advancement of Mark Rubio)

    “It’s not Nafta you Gringoes, it’s Naftar!”

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    "Guns n’ Visas"

    I like that one.
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  300. @International Jew
    ALM -- All Lives Matter. It would be edgy and "courageous" in an acceptable mainstream kind of way. It would also signal the right of everyone anywhere on the planet to pursue their "American Dream" by coming to settle in America.

    But then they would be on the wrong side of Mark Zuckerberg.

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  301. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Shine a Light
    Goy Division

    Goy Division

    Love that one!

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  302. @dr kill
    This Chesterson fellow certainly is quotable, what's the deal with him? Could a man, at one time, make a living being quotable?

    The academic mind reflects infinity, and is full of light by the simple process of being shallow and standing still.

    To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.

    Without education, we are in a horrible and deadly danger of taking educated people seriously.

    Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up.

    Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

    Why it's enough to make me read some of his essays.

    This Chesterson fellow certainly is quotable, what’s the deal with him? Could a man, at one time, make a living being quotable?

    He had a column in the Illustrated London News for thirty years, and that wasn’t enough, so he started his own G.K.’s Weekly during that time. With all that practice, he got rather good at aphorizing.

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  303. kiismerh says:

    We made Trump sign pledge not to run as independent Party

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  304. KnowMad says:

    With partial credit to George W

    The Blossoming Turd Party
    (See rove nickname)

    And the shortened version works so well:
    The Turd Party

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    "The Blossoming Turd Party
    (See rove nickname)

    And the shortened version works so well:
    The Turd Party"

    Yes, that's very fitting.
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  305. You have Lesley Gore’s “It’s My Party” up at the top of this thread and I’ll add this one of hers as well:

    “It’s My Party” can be the theme song of the GOP establishment and “You Don’t Own Me” the anthem of the GOP base.

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  306. Mr. Anon says:
    @reiner Tor
    Actually, foreign politicians, including elected officials of certain countries, often participate in other countries' campaigns. I remember Aznar of Spain and Berlusconi participating in one of Orbán's campaign rallies back in 2002 or so.

    Of course, they were leaders of sister parties.

    “Actually, foreign politicians, including elected officials of certain countries, often participate in other countries’ campaigns.”

    They shouldn’t.

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    I think if anybody ever had a right to interfere in another country's elections, it's American politicians and Israeli elections. The US has provided Israel with a lot of financial, diplomatic, etc. assistance, in exchange for basically nothing. It's obviously interested in the outcome of Israeli elections. And it's not like Trump was supporting a party actually bad for Israel. He was supporting a nationalistic party, being a nationalist himself. It's quite unlike pro-Israel Jews or Bibi himself speaking out against European or American nationalism when they are themselves nationalists.
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  307. Mr. Anon says:
    @unpc downunder
    Well we nearly got to three hundred comments here, so I may as well through in a few more ideas:

    Guns n' Visas

    Disorder on the Border

    The American Open House Party

    Suburban Cuckservative Collective

    NAFTAR (National Association for the Advancement of Mark Rubio)

    "It's not Nafta you Gringoes, it's Naftar!"

    “Guns n’ Visas”

    I like that one.

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  308. Mr. Anon says:

    The Mariel Vote Lift

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  309. Step-patriots.

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  310. The Republican’ts

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  311. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    It’s completely bland and not cute, but: the NeoRepublicans.

    If it needs to be cutesied: The Knee-o-Republicans.

    As in “Vote for us if you know what’s good for you, or we kneecap you, clear? What’s not to like, you were always with the program, right?”

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  312. Rob McX says:

    The T Party (with Bruce Jenner as mascot).

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    The Low-T Party
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  313. I will try again….The Other, Other White Meat.

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  314. Mr. Anon says:
    @Rob McX
    The T Party (with Bruce Jenner as mascot).

    The Low-T Party

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  315. Mr. Anon says:
    @KnowMad
    With partial credit to George W

    The Blossoming Turd Party
    (See rove nickname)

    And the shortened version works so well:
    The Turd Party

    “The Blossoming Turd Party
    (See rove nickname)

    And the shortened version works so well:
    The Turd Party”

    Yes, that’s very fitting.

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  316. Rex May says: • Website

    The Illegal Aliens’ Lives Matter and Yours Don’t Party

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  317. The Hispanic Imposition.

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  318. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Rubio story

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_(short_story)

    Rubio, the sci-fi candidate. No wonder Larry Ellison supports him.

    Rubio is a robot created in Sil Valley.

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    Ted Cruz, the horror candidate.

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/26/11120000/ted-cruz-zodiac-killer-why-evidence-theory

    Sort of looks like Freddy Kruger. Teddy Cruzzer.

    Ted Cruz, the horror candidate.

    I knew that Ted Cruz/Zodiac Killer article was going to be awful, but I wasn’t really prepared for just how awful it was.

    Is that how Millennial hipster articles are always written? All stream-of-consciousness, unedited, and full of lame jokes?

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  319. The Cuck Cartel.

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  320. Servants of the Federal Reserve

    Good Goys Club of Washington

    Chosen of the Chosenites

    The ZOG Bots

    Israel First Gang

    Dickheads of DC

    The Zionist Zookeepers

    We Do What Jews Want Us To, Incorporated

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  321. @Anon7
    The Sockless Puppets Party

    (Also, who knew that Leslie Gore was really Leslie Sue Goldstein, a nice Jewish girl who came out as a life-long lesbian. Everything I know about the Sixties is wrong now.)

    A lot of people have always wondered why a man like Quincy Jones would get behind a pop fluff act like Leslie Gore. In the old days it was widely speculated that he was nailing her, but I doubt it. I’m guessing it somehow relates to his later work with Michael Jackson.

    Jackson, of course, had talent, but he was also a very disturbed guy. How Jackson was transformed from the kid in the Jackson Five to pop supernova and more importantly why is one of those things not talked about but ought to.

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  322. @Former Darfur
    My father, an IATSE stagehand who worked a lot of old time rock and roll shows and into the new wave era (actually he retired right after 9/11) told me Gore was a mussypuncher back in the seventies. I figured he was FOS because he said the same thing about Joan Jett, Debra Harry and one of the Go-Gos I won't name because she is not out.

    Old buzzard turned out to be right. And reminds me all the time.

    Jane Wiedlin and Belinda Carlisle are already known. Debbie (or Deborah, but never ‘Debra’!) Harry has openly admitted to lesbian sexual encounters too. Joan Jett is “officially” closeted but is widely known to be exclusively lesbian.

    The percentage of female rock and rock-pop performers known to be lesbians or bisexuals is far higher than the percentage of male music figures known as gay or bisexual. This fits with the Sailerish worldview exactly.

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  323. @Mr. Anon
    "Actually, foreign politicians, including elected officials of certain countries, often participate in other countries’ campaigns."

    They shouldn't.

    I think if anybody ever had a right to interfere in another country’s elections, it’s American politicians and Israeli elections. The US has provided Israel with a lot of financial, diplomatic, etc. assistance, in exchange for basically nothing. It’s obviously interested in the outcome of Israeli elections. And it’s not like Trump was supporting a party actually bad for Israel. He was supporting a nationalistic party, being a nationalist himself. It’s quite unlike pro-Israel Jews or Bibi himself speaking out against European or American nationalism when they are themselves nationalists.

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  324. @Jonathan Mason
    The Hispanic Imposition.

    Everyone expects the Hispanic Imposition!

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  325. anon says: • Disclaimer

    These donors must really hate Trump if they’re looking for a way to make sure that Hillary Clinton will be the next President. Wouldn’t it make more sense for them to just donate money directly to her campaign?

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  326. Tracy says: • Website

    Israel Uber All Us Party

    The Partysteinenbergenthal

    Joke’s On You Party

    The Brown-Nosers

    Banks -R- Us Party

    The Party to End History

    Chutzpah Party

    The Fool-Fighters

    Yellow-Dog Republicans Except for Trump

    We Couldn’t Stump the Trump So Took Our Toys and Went Elsewhere Party

    The Trumped Party

    The Oligarchs

    Neo-Conmen Party

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  327. The Guacalypto Group

    Greater Miami and the Beeetches, Mang LLC

    Shabbos Goya Canned Speeches in Lightweight Syrup Party

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  328. Tracy says: • Website
    @JMurray
    This is easy. Only one name will do. The Aristocrats.

    This is easy. Only one name will do. The Aristocrats.

    This is the one, man.

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  329. Gabriel M says:
    @Prof. Woland
    I suspect Trump has a lot of closet supporters in Europe. I cannot wait to see the look on David Cameron's face when he meets with Nigel Farage or Gert Wilders. It will probably be more fear than loathing.

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/12/09/brits-oppose-muslim-policy-pockets-approval/

    Even UKIP voters don’t like him. Now, of course, if the European media wasn’t going full Pravda on him 24 hours a day things would be bit more balanced. This illustrates a general point: people in all countries are able to see the media is lying whenever they happen to know about a given issue, but generally assume that the media is not lying about things they don’t know about. This is why people mostly have much more left wing opinions about other peoples’ countries than there own.

    Anyway, it’s always hilarious to watch people on Unz talk about Likud as if they are experts.

    Likud voters would like to see America do the following things.

    1) Recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.
    2) Recognise the annexation of the Golan and East Jerusalem.
    3) Recognise the legality of settlements.
    4) Sort out Iran’s nuclear programme.

    (Even Avodah voters would like 1,2 and 4)

    And yet in 8 years of neocon dominance during the Bush administration, none of these things happened, but billions of dollars were spent doing things that Likud voters couldn’t care less about. Why? Because neocons like Paul Wolfowitz with his Palestinian wife and fantasies about Arab democracy have almost nothing in common with Likud. It is true that neocons is Israel chose the Likud as their vehicle of choice, just as neocons in American chose the Republicans, those in Britain chose the Tories etc. etc. Mostly they were Russian emigres, willfully ignorant of HBD who thought they could apply their experiences in the Soviet Union to the Arab problem. It was their idea to have elections in the Palestinian Authority. Most Israeli and Likudniks have come to the conclusion that they are idiots. Take home message: neoconnery is not a front for the Likud; Likud (a dysfunctional umbrella organisation prey to entryist politics) was briefly a front for neoconnery, just like the Republican party.

    As for what Likudniks think about American immigration policy, it’s quite simple: they couldn’t care less.

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    Even UKIP voters don’t like him.
     
    Actually, a majority of UKIP voters approved of his proposal to ban Muslim immigration. I got this information from the first sentence of your link.
    , @reiner Tor
    Why did Bibi push for the Iraq war in 2002? Why was an Israeli acquaintance of mine supporting the Iraq war circa 2002-2006 and saying things like "Saddam pays/paid USD 25,000 to families of suicide bombers" and so his fall would improve things over there? (I met this $25,000 meme in many places around 2002-2003, where does it come from? Is there any source to prove this?)
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  330. @Intelligent Dasein
    A phrase occurred to me this morning which I think accurately describes the kind of government Cruz or Rubio would like to institute: The Constitutional Dictatorship.

    It could be considered as the epitome of everything the Establishment GOP has been trying to effect lo these past 16 years---a mandatory Straussian liberal democracy as conceived of by the Rand Corporation, the Pentagon, and the Heritage Foundation. I have felt this rough beast slouching towards Bethlehem for many years now, and have spent many a blogging hour trying to describe it in a necessarily limited, inchoate style. But now it seems we are witnessing the first adumbrations of its actual emergence, and it is imperative that we slay the horrible thing in the cradle.

    Intel, Oh that baby got out of the crib a long time ago. Now it is a vigorous, slightly obese teenager with raging hormones and no discipline. He is running the house. The parents are sort of afraid of this creature, and do not know quite what to do about him. They hope he will move out, but keep paying the cable bill and buying the Doritos that he likes so much. Mom is still oddly fond of this lad, but Dad is beginning to wonder if his wife was stepping out on him. He was so busy making money back in those days, maybe he was not paying enough attention to her…. Where did that curly hair come from??

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  331. Veracitor says:

    The Ben Dover Party.

    Goldman Sachs pitches, Marco Rubio and youse bums catches.

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  332. @Gabriel M
    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/12/09/brits-oppose-muslim-policy-pockets-approval/

    Even UKIP voters don't like him. Now, of course, if the European media wasn't going full Pravda on him 24 hours a day things would be bit more balanced. This illustrates a general point: people in all countries are able to see the media is lying whenever they happen to know about a given issue, but generally assume that the media is not lying about things they don't know about. This is why people mostly have much more left wing opinions about other peoples' countries than there own.

    Anyway, it's always hilarious to watch people on Unz talk about Likud as if they are experts.

    Likud voters would like to see America do the following things.

    1) Recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital.
    2) Recognise the annexation of the Golan and East Jerusalem.
    3) Recognise the legality of settlements.
    4) Sort out Iran's nuclear programme.

    (Even Avodah voters would like 1,2 and 4)

    And yet in 8 years of neocon dominance during the Bush administration, none of these things happened, but billions of dollars were spent doing things that Likud voters couldn't care less about. Why? Because neocons like Paul Wolfowitz with his Palestinian wife and fantasies about Arab democracy have almost nothing in common with Likud. It is true that neocons is Israel chose the Likud as their vehicle of choice, just as neocons in American chose the Republicans, those in Britain chose the Tories etc. etc. Mostly they were Russian emigres, willfully ignorant of HBD who thought they could apply their experiences in the Soviet Union to the Arab problem. It was their idea to have elections in the Palestinian Authority. Most Israeli and Likudniks have come to the conclusion that they are idiots. Take home message: neoconnery is not a front for the Likud; Likud (a dysfunctional umbrella organisation prey to entryist politics) was briefly a front for neoconnery, just like the Republican party.

    As for what Likudniks think about American immigration policy, it's quite simple: they couldn't care less.

    Even UKIP voters don’t like him.

    Actually, a majority of UKIP voters approved of his proposal to ban Muslim immigration. I got this information from the first sentence of your link.

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    A majority of UKIP voters think his plan is appropriate, but they have unfavourable opinions of him: see the following poll.

    https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3675/Three-in-four-Britons-feel-unfavourable-towards-Donald-Trump.aspx

    Anecdotally, speaking as an Israeli of British origin, I don't know one British person who has anything mildly positive to say about Trump. Opinion in Israel, is much more balanced.
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  333. @Gabriel M
    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/12/09/brits-oppose-muslim-policy-pockets-approval/

    Even UKIP voters don't like him. Now, of course, if the European media wasn't going full Pravda on him 24 hours a day things would be bit more balanced. This illustrates a general point: people in all countries are able to see the media is lying whenever they happen to know about a given issue, but generally assume that the media is not lying about things they don't know about. This is why people mostly have much more left wing opinions about other peoples' countries than there own.

    Anyway, it's always hilarious to watch people on Unz talk about Likud as if they are experts.

    Likud voters would like to see America do the following things.

    1) Recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital.
    2) Recognise the annexation of the Golan and East Jerusalem.
    3) Recognise the legality of settlements.
    4) Sort out Iran's nuclear programme.

    (Even Avodah voters would like 1,2 and 4)

    And yet in 8 years of neocon dominance during the Bush administration, none of these things happened, but billions of dollars were spent doing things that Likud voters couldn't care less about. Why? Because neocons like Paul Wolfowitz with his Palestinian wife and fantasies about Arab democracy have almost nothing in common with Likud. It is true that neocons is Israel chose the Likud as their vehicle of choice, just as neocons in American chose the Republicans, those in Britain chose the Tories etc. etc. Mostly they were Russian emigres, willfully ignorant of HBD who thought they could apply their experiences in the Soviet Union to the Arab problem. It was their idea to have elections in the Palestinian Authority. Most Israeli and Likudniks have come to the conclusion that they are idiots. Take home message: neoconnery is not a front for the Likud; Likud (a dysfunctional umbrella organisation prey to entryist politics) was briefly a front for neoconnery, just like the Republican party.

    As for what Likudniks think about American immigration policy, it's quite simple: they couldn't care less.

    Why did Bibi push for the Iraq war in 2002? Why was an Israeli acquaintance of mine supporting the Iraq war circa 2002-2006 and saying things like “Saddam pays/paid USD 25,000 to families of suicide bombers” and so his fall would improve things over there? (I met this $25,000 meme in many places around 2002-2003, where does it come from? Is there any source to prove this?)

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    What is your point? At one point the Iraq war had 80+% support int he U.S. Neoconnery was quite popular in many parts of the globe. Now it's not, because it didn't work. Neocons were also, at this stage, influential in the Likud as in many right of centre parties around the globe. I don't have a window into Bibi's mind, but I imagine that he thought that the Iraq war would be a success and he would benefit from supporting it.

    Again, if neoconnery was a front for Likudism then George Bush would have recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital and recognized the annexation of the Golan and East Jerusalem long before he invaded Iraq, but he didn't because it's not.
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  334. @dr kill
    This Chesterson fellow certainly is quotable, what's the deal with him? Could a man, at one time, make a living being quotable?

    The academic mind reflects infinity, and is full of light by the simple process of being shallow and standing still.

    To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.

    Without education, we are in a horrible and deadly danger of taking educated people seriously.

    Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up.

    Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

    Why it's enough to make me read some of his essays.

    The fence one is a particularly apt one these days, regarding border, obviously. But it also kind of relates to Steve’s comments on prison reform… “Hey, crime’s down. Let’s let all these guys out of prison!”

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  335. The best so far is definitely “The Donor Party.”

    It is accurate and memorable. Subtlely makes you associate the monied establishment with foolhardy planning, treachery, and cannibalism. Perfect.

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  336. Top.Men.

    Phillip Drummond’s List

    Ladies who legislate

    Binders and binders full of Canadian girlfriends

    The less racist, sexist, and homophobic Party.

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  337. Gabriel M says:
    @reiner Tor

    Even UKIP voters don’t like him.
     
    Actually, a majority of UKIP voters approved of his proposal to ban Muslim immigration. I got this information from the first sentence of your link.

    A majority of UKIP voters think his plan is appropriate, but they have unfavourable opinions of him: see the following poll.

    https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3675/Three-in-four-Britons-feel-unfavourable-towards-Donald-Trump.aspx

    Anecdotally, speaking as an Israeli of British origin, I don’t know one British person who has anything mildly positive to say about Trump. Opinion in Israel, is much more balanced.

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  338. Gabriel M says:
    @reiner Tor
    Why did Bibi push for the Iraq war in 2002? Why was an Israeli acquaintance of mine supporting the Iraq war circa 2002-2006 and saying things like "Saddam pays/paid USD 25,000 to families of suicide bombers" and so his fall would improve things over there? (I met this $25,000 meme in many places around 2002-2003, where does it come from? Is there any source to prove this?)

    What is your point? At one point the Iraq war had 80+% support int he U.S. Neoconnery was quite popular in many parts of the globe. Now it’s not, because it didn’t work. Neocons were also, at this stage, influential in the Likud as in many right of centre parties around the globe. I don’t have a window into Bibi’s mind, but I imagine that he thought that the Iraq war would be a success and he would benefit from supporting it.

    Again, if neoconnery was a front for Likudism then George Bush would have recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and recognized the annexation of the Golan and East Jerusalem long before he invaded Iraq, but he didn’t because it’s not.

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    My point is that the Iraq war (an important Likudnik demand) was missing from your list. Interestingly you make no mention of pushing Syria to chaos, which has been so important for Israel that they've been regularly bombing Assad's forces for many years. This while Likud was the leading force of the government. Maybe average Likud voters never wanted it, I have no information, but the leadership?

    Also your list contains mostly symbolic gestures, which bring little tangible benefits to Israel but carry a heavy political price. I'm not surprised that pro-Israel politicians instead started the program of pushing the Middle East into chaos, which seems to have been their program for Iraq and Syria (and maybe for Iran as well, but probably not for other countries).

    But yeah, average Likud voters would also like the symbolic gestures, and maybe Bibi, too. But you cannot support your claim that destroying Iraq was not important to Likud.

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  339. Partido Acción Nacional del Norte

    Democratische Party

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  340. The K Street Boys
    The Blackwood Convention
    The Empire’s Clothiers, ltd.
    The Smith Agency

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    The Emperor's New Clothiers, LLC
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  341. @Gabriel M
    What is your point? At one point the Iraq war had 80+% support int he U.S. Neoconnery was quite popular in many parts of the globe. Now it's not, because it didn't work. Neocons were also, at this stage, influential in the Likud as in many right of centre parties around the globe. I don't have a window into Bibi's mind, but I imagine that he thought that the Iraq war would be a success and he would benefit from supporting it.

    Again, if neoconnery was a front for Likudism then George Bush would have recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital and recognized the annexation of the Golan and East Jerusalem long before he invaded Iraq, but he didn't because it's not.

    My point is that the Iraq war (an important Likudnik demand) was missing from your list. Interestingly you make no mention of pushing Syria to chaos, which has been so important for Israel that they’ve been regularly bombing Assad’s forces for many years. This while Likud was the leading force of the government. Maybe average Likud voters never wanted it, I have no information, but the leadership?

    Also your list contains mostly symbolic gestures, which bring little tangible benefits to Israel but carry a heavy political price. I’m not surprised that pro-Israel politicians instead started the program of pushing the Middle East into chaos, which seems to have been their program for Iraq and Syria (and maybe for Iran as well, but probably not for other countries).

    But yeah, average Likud voters would also like the symbolic gestures, and maybe Bibi, too. But you cannot support your claim that destroying Iraq was not important to Likud.

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    The Iraq war was not "an important Likudnik demand". Not a single Likud politician has ever said that America invading Iraq was an important demand. Conversely, they called, on countless occasions for George Bush to do something about Iran and made it clear that it was the single most important thing they wanted the United States to do and he did ..... nothing. Same as he did nothing to recognise Israeli ownership of united Jerusalem, which is not a remotely symbolic gesture, as you would know if you actually knew anything about this topic.

    Invading Iraq was an important thing for neocons because they had a theory that in retrospect seems whacky, but was very popular at the time, namely that they could set up a liberal democracy in Iraq and this would be a catalyst for positive change in the region. They did not have some super-secret evil plan to make themselves look like complete idiots by destabilizing the Middle East, empowering Iran and taking the lid of Sunni radicalism.

    Some people in Likud agreed with this view (i.e. Natan Sharansky) some didn't (i.e. Moshe Feiglin) most never actually gave a s**t.

    The difference between me talking about the Likud and you is that I actually know something about the Likud and you don't.
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  342. @Desiderius
    The K Street Boys
    The Blackwood Convention
    The Empire's Clothiers, ltd.
    The Smith Agency

    The Emperor’s New Clothiers, LLC

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  343. Gabriel M says:
    @reiner Tor
    My point is that the Iraq war (an important Likudnik demand) was missing from your list. Interestingly you make no mention of pushing Syria to chaos, which has been so important for Israel that they've been regularly bombing Assad's forces for many years. This while Likud was the leading force of the government. Maybe average Likud voters never wanted it, I have no information, but the leadership?

    Also your list contains mostly symbolic gestures, which bring little tangible benefits to Israel but carry a heavy political price. I'm not surprised that pro-Israel politicians instead started the program of pushing the Middle East into chaos, which seems to have been their program for Iraq and Syria (and maybe for Iran as well, but probably not for other countries).

    But yeah, average Likud voters would also like the symbolic gestures, and maybe Bibi, too. But you cannot support your claim that destroying Iraq was not important to Likud.

    The Iraq war was not “an important Likudnik demand”. Not a single Likud politician has ever said that America invading Iraq was an important demand. Conversely, they called, on countless occasions for George Bush to do something about Iran and made it clear that it was the single most important thing they wanted the United States to do and he did ….. nothing. Same as he did nothing to recognise Israeli ownership of united Jerusalem, which is not a remotely symbolic gesture, as you would know if you actually knew anything about this topic.

    Invading Iraq was an important thing for neocons because they had a theory that in retrospect seems whacky, but was very popular at the time, namely that they could set up a liberal democracy in Iraq and this would be a catalyst for positive change in the region. They did not have some super-secret evil plan to make themselves look like complete idiots by destabilizing the Middle East, empowering Iran and taking the lid of Sunni radicalism.

    Some people in Likud agreed with this view (i.e. Natan Sharansky) some didn’t (i.e. Moshe Feiglin) most never actually gave a s**t.

    The difference between me talking about the Likud and you is that I actually know something about the Likud and you don’t.

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  344. […] Steve pings for names of the anti-Trump third party. Given the speaker and the audience, most suggestions are […]

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  345. Lyov Myshkin [AKA "Nicholas White"] says:

    How about the Conservative Joint Emergency Wing?
    :)

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  346. Coemgen says:

    It looks like a name has already been coined over at freerepublic: GOPe (rhymes with dope?) keyword search. I think the “e” is for “elite.”

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  347. It looks like a name has already been coined over at freerepublic…

    Free Republic is still in business?!

    I left it in 1999. I went back once the next year to defend Steve from an antagonistic post, and got myself banned.

    Well, David Rockefeller, Kirk Douglas, and Beverly Cleary are all still alive, so anything’s possible.

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    Oh yeah. It's definitely still around. Though, it seems to be packed with "concern trolls" who have "deep concerns" about Trump as a candidate.
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  348. Coemgen says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    It looks like a name has already been coined over at freerepublic...
     
    Free Republic is still in business?!

    I left it in 1999. I went back once the next year to defend Steve from an antagonistic post, and got myself banned.

    Well, David Rockefeller, Kirk Douglas, and Beverly Cleary are all still alive, so anything's possible.

    Oh yeah. It’s definitely still around. Though, it seems to be packed with “concern trolls” who have “deep concerns” about Trump as a candidate.

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