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In The New Yorker, the prestige media’s expert on all things Russian explains:

Conan, the Gender-Fluid Hero Dog

By Masha Gessen November 27, 2019

In a shocking twist, the best gender story of the year has come from the White House. This is the story of Conan, the dog of infinitely shifting gender. The Washington Post provided a handy recap: on Monday, President Trump appeared in the Rose Garden in the company of Conan, a Belgian Malinois that had participated in the raid that killed the isis leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and referred to the dog as a boy—understandable, given Conan’s name. The next day, however, ABC News reported that Conan is a girl. The Pentagon, citing U.S. Special Operations Command, countered with a description of it being a “male dog.” The White House press secretary, Stephanie Grisham, insisted that Conan is a boy. Pool reporting from the White House yielded mixed results. …

As I’ve pointed out before, dogs don’t have strong sex stereotypes. People who are experts on dogs have views on the average differences between males and females, but the casual dog-liking public is pretty clueless. In contrast, everybody knows the difference between bulls and cows, roosters and hens, even if they have far less contact with these species than with dogs.

Brandy waiting for Brad to give permission to eat dinner

For example, Brad Pitt’s heroine dog Brandy in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is a bitch, but the important thing is she’s a very very good doggie. (I encourage everybody who is 100% as alpha as Pitt’s Cliff Booth character to get a pit bull and train her to the same standard of obedience as Brandy. If you aren’t quite as much of an implacable alpha male as the war hero / stunt man / acquitted wife murderer / expert dog trainer Booth, however, consider a golden retriever or a chocolate lab.)

But can a dog be said to have a gender? I would argue that it can. Gender is a social construction. Gender is performance. But gender is also the perception of others. With humans, it is the interplay of all of these. …

Now, you know that what I’m about to say is true: we humans have a perceptual bias, in that we think all dogs are guys and all cats are girls. (My standard poodle, born with male genitalia but perceived by most people in my neighborhood as a girl, is an exception.) This illustrates a certain truth about gender, if not about dogs or cats. In our minds, gender is tied to primary sexual characteristics, but we do not actually base our judgment of gender on them; we just assume them from other clues.

We are trained to do this from an early age. As someone who is often the object of children’s gender curiosity, I have observed how this training occurs. For example, about eight years ago, I was taking a shower at a gym, in an open stall in the women’s locker room, opposite a woman and her little kid, who couldn’t stop staring at me. The three of us finished showering and went to our lockers, which turned out to be next to one other. I towelled off and dressed. The kid stared. When I walked over to a bank of mirrors, the kid, behind my back, finally asked, “Is that a man or a woman?” The mom explained patiently, “See how she is putting on eye makeup? That means she is a woman.”

Masha Gessen, a staff writer at The New Yorker, is the author of ten books, including, most recently, “The Future Is History: How Totalitarianism Reclaimed Russia,” which won the National Book Award in 2017.Read more »

 
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  1. The mom explained patiently, “See how she is putting on eye makeup? That means she is a woman.”

    This punchline would have been better if the story Gessen were telling happened this year. She says it happened 8 years ago. Back then, the mom could have just explained that Gessen using the women’s bathroom indicated she were a woman.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    , @BB753
    , @Daniel H
  2. El Dato says:

    If I get this right, “gender” is a stereotype and has nothing to do with “sex” then?

    Can Masha Gessen convinve xeself that xe is a man?

    This is the story of Conan, the dog of infinitely shifting gender.

    America 2020: Weaponized doges have uncertain, even infinitely shifting, gender. Conan the shiftarian.

    The mom explained patiently, “See how she is putting on eye makeup? That means she is a woman.”

    Or bi, multi, pan, sup, cons, car or cdrsexual. Who knows!

    • Replies: @International Jew
    , @J1234
  3. iffen says:

    The mom explained patiently, “See how she is putting on eye makeup? That means she is a woman.”

    I know that this is incorrect as a generality, but is it correct with regard to Gessen?

  4. Old Prude says:

    Folks don’t much notice the sex/gender/whatever differences in dogs and cats because they are spayed and nuetered. Geldings, steers and wethers mix fine with mares, cows and ewes. Allow the equipment to remain intact and there is no confusion on certain regular occasions about which is the dog and which the bitch.

    If one removes the man-made artifice, gender fluidity is exposed as a laughable farce.

  5. bomag says:

    I was taking a shower at a gym, in an open stall in the women’s locker room, opposite a woman and her little kid…

    This is bragging.

    Public displays by such is a great thrill for the displaying party.

    We used to shield kids from unsavory stuff. Now it is pretty much plastered on posters that cover schoolroom walls.

    • Agree: Dissident
  6. Cortes says:

    Does Conan the cunning SF Bitch cock a leg to leave scent markers to disguise their ferocious femininity?

  7. Now, you know that what I’m about to say is true: we humans have a perceptual bias, in that we think all dogs are guys and all cats are girls.

    This isn’t true, as anybody who watched Tom & Jerry in childhood knows.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
  8. Who cares what sex the dog might claim, just as long as Arnie Schwarzenegger plays it in the film.

  9. ic1000 says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    The little kid in Gessen’s fairy tale was the son daughter of Jeffrey Younger and Anne Georgulas.

  10. SFG says:

    So if the dog is genderfluid, does it dye its fur rainbow colors?

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  11. I’ve often wondered what to call dogs under this new system of manners.

    When the dog brings back the ball, am I supposed to say “Good Boy” or “Good Girl”? The dog has genitals, but we know that means nothing. The dog doesn’t tell me its gender, so how do I know? Even veterinarians are at a loss.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  12. First thing when you bring a boy dog home is they ask when he’ll have his balls cut off.

    There’s a huge difference between the sexes

  13. @SFG

    I´ve got a hunch she makes her poodle wear a pink tutu 😀

  14. Jake says:

    People embracing an ideology of ‘reform,’ of ‘correcting great injustice,’ are impervious to facts, logic, and, especially, common sense. They are obsessed 24/7 with their hobby-horse, which they see as the center of the world’s ability to move forward. And they all have a strong bent toward totalitarian force to bring about their concept of fairness.

    That goes when talking about dogs as well as about little boys they would like to see made into girls.

  15. OT: can anyone explain the the Irishman? It was on netflix last night. The lead characters are elderly, yet still active guys? With the Robert Deniro character being an older guy playing someone with a young family working his way up in some mob family?? I lost interest when the 60+ looking Deniro stomps on some slightly younger looking than Deniro guy for disciplining Deniro’s pre teen , being a brat, daughter.

    There was also a scene where 60+ Deniro is recounting his US Army WWII war experience in Italy to a very old looking Pesci, where flashback Deniro is shown making two Nazi prisoners dig their own graves and he shoots them dead. The killing being countenanced by his commanding officers. You know, the Army and US government back then was pretty much the same as the mob.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    , @anonymous
  16. Dumbo says:

    Well, at least she is not talking about her hair…

    “See how she is putting on eye makeup? That means she is a woman.”

    I’m surprised that she uses any makeup at all.

    You know what, I’m ready to concede that some women such as Gessen have so little femininity that they may not really be considered women. That doesn’t really make them men, exactly, but perhaps we can classify them as a third gender as they wish.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  17. This is the story of Conan, the dog of infinitely shifting gender. The Washington Post provided a handy recap: on Monday, President Trump appeared in the Rose Garden in the company of Conan, a Belgian Malinois that had participated in the raid that killed the isis leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and referred to the dog as a boy—understandable, given Conan’s name.

    No, it is a typical example of the White House not knowing its ass from its elbow.

    The dog in the video with Trump looks like it is a bit female in its behavior and when you look at it smirking with its eyes closed as Pence rubs its head, but I cannot see any nipples on her chest, though they may be completely covered with fur. (My bitch, Sally, has thick hair, but you can see her nipples.)

    Male dogs that are used as service dogs are frequently neutered to make them less agressive, so may be testicle free, however I am told that this is not the case with dogs of war, because they are required to be aggressive.

    In human beings a castrated male is these days considered by many people to be a female, and may himself believe this to be the case, but it is different with dogs. Canine birth sex and gender remains congruent regardless of whether they go under the vets knife to be neutered and their birth certificates cannot be amended.

    However in the case of the lovely White House dog, we have no real proof that this is the same dog that took down Abu Bakr Baghdadi. Why did that dog return from Syria to Washington? It is much more likely that the White House just obtained a similar looking dog from the Pentagon to pose for the photo op with the President–a fellow who is well known to care very little about the truth.

    This would have been the simple reason for the confusion about the sex of the dog–two dogs, one male and one female.

    Apparently the identity of the handler of the dog Conan (supposedly named after the late night chat show guy rather than the barbarian or the author of Sherlock Holmes even though Conan is a boy’s name of Celtic origin meaning “little wolf”) is classified information, even though it is probably he rather than the animal that should have been awarded the immense honor of a White House meeting with the President.

    However there may have been a quid pro quo in action, because the President noticeably did not shake the hand, (or pat the head, which is the canine equivalent) of the wounded hero or pin a medal to its collar, but delegated that to his #2 man.

    I think I can explain this. It is likely that the dog growled at the President in the green room before going on air and that the President decided to distance himself from the dog while going through with the ceremony and praising Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi who apparently died like a dog when he committed suicide like Buddy, a previous Clinton-era White House occupant who threw himself in front of a vehicle in 2002.

    Or something like that. I never understand what Trump is talking about.

  18. Ano says:

    …Now, you know that what I’m about to say is true…

    …while you look on at the spectacle of the most powerful influential people in America engaging each other in a heated controversy over Conan’s gender, Masha Gessen’s female standard poodle humps your leg.

  19. Which reminds me of a trivia question.

    What/which two Hollywood actors (hint: in the 1950’s) habitually played a character of the opposite sex.

    Lassie and Rin Tin Tin.

    It had something to do with their appearance on the screen.

  20. Hans says:

    Masha Gessen on family and marriage:

    “It’s a no-brainer that (homosexual activists) should have the right to marry, but I also think equally that it’s a no-brainer that the institution of marriage should not exist. …(F)ighting for gay marriage generally involves lying about what we are going to do with marriage when we get there — because we lie that the institution of marriage is not going to change, and that is a lie.

    The institution of marriage is going to change, and it should change. And again, I don’t think it should exist. And I don’t like taking part in creating fictions about my life. That’s sort of not what I had in mind when I came out thirty years ago.

    I have three kids who have five parents, more or less, and I don’t see why they shouldn’t have five parents legally… I met my new partner, and she had just had a baby, and that baby’s biological father is my brother, and my daughter’s biological father is a man who lives in Russia, and my adopted son also considers him his father. So the five parents break down into two groups of three… And really, I would like to live in a legal system that is capable of reflecting that reality, and I don’t think that’s compatible with the institution of marriage.”

    (Source: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/lifematters/why-get-married/4058506)

  21. Gessen neglects to mention she had a double mastectomy in 2005 and as a self-described non-binary, and as visually a rail-thin, mannish freak I suspect she did not get implants, which would explain the child’s confusion — she lacked normal secondary sex characteristics.

    Taking a general lesson from some mother’s no-doubt desperate attempt to extricate herself from an awkward conversation is dishonest.

  22. Rahan says:

    Masha Gessen looks like Woody Allen after a protracted nervous breakdown.
    If she insists on the right to identify as a “woman”–fine.
    But I wouldn’t let her read a story to kids in a library or a kindergarten.

  23. we humans have a perceptual bias, in that we think all dogs are guys and all cats are girls.

    Do we? I thought they were all guys until proven otherwise by getting some random buns in the oven.

    It might depend on one’s first language though.

  24. kihowi says:

    is the author of ten books, including, most recently, “The Future Is History: How Totalitarianism Reclaimed Russia,”

    Sometimes you can dismiss books after just hearing the title. Of course Russia has never been not totalitarian, just more chaotic. But people who have names like Gessen preferred that, for some reason.

    Also I have to say it’s quite an achievement to be both an ugly man and an ugly woman at the same time.

    • Replies: @e
    , @jpp
  25. I can’t blame the kid for being confused.

  26. Orangeman says:

    “Kid” , not daughter or girl, reference is odd.

  27. Not even the turd world r-selects interviewed in the cringey ad with the McRatMeat HR Catlady. Proving along with haermaphrodism, hooknose, dumpy shape the ARSEs also evolved a lack of the cringe/ disgust reflex.

    & only k-lo if he’s really hit the Bru!!!!

  28. Arclight says:

    Normally this kind of thing gets my back up, but it’s so pathetic that I’m just going to take it as another sign that the legacy media is circling the bowl and they know it.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  29. Facts: species are sexually dimorphous or homomorphous. Dogs are the latter. A dog needs to sniff the other dog to determine its sex. Humans are dimorphic. Going from the photo, Gessen seems to have an ambiguous sexual makeup by nature.

    • Replies: @TWS
  30. Jpp says:

    I read Gessen’s biography of Grisha Perelman a few years ago and was quite impressed by it, particularly its depictions of Soviet mathematics culture. Sad to see her churn out this kind of penny dreadful twaddle.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  31. Masha Gessen is one the ugliest humans I’ve ever seen that hasn’t been mutilated by some sort of horrible accident:

    It’s not a coincidence that a majority of these foul and despicable ideas about humanity (homo, trans, sexualization of children, “gender”, identity, etc) are propagated by people who are themselves some of the most physically repulsive people, right?

  32. Masha Gessen needs to dye her hair pink. I mean, it couldn’t hurt.

  33. TWS says:

    I’ve never seen a female police or military dog. I guess some must exist somewhere but the numbers are small. It’s unlikely Conan is female. Female dogs go into heat and their personality entirely changes for a few weeks two or three times a year.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  34. e says:
    @kihowi

    Also I have to say it’s quite an achievement to be both an ugly man and an ugly woman at the same time.

    Best comment!

    • Agree: jim jones
    • LOL: Bubba
  35. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Gessen certainly is a dog. She may be species-fluid.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  36. @Hans

    You need to start every quoted paragraph with quotation marks. Naturally, I thought the second two were yours!

    https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/96608/why-does-the-multi-paragraph-quotation-rule-exist

    • Replies: @Hans
  37. TWS says:
    @Anonymouse

    Dogs are dimorphous. If you can’t tell the difference by looking you’re not a dog person. Different size proportion, head shape. Although it’s true some folks couldn’t tell my bull mastiff was female but only until they saw a male bully. The difference is night and day. Among shepherds my males are sometimes nearly twice the weight of females. Their head shape, muzzle, even how they move is different.

    True dogs sniff butts usually first but it tells them way more than just what sex the other guy is.

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
  38. Per SEAL canine pro Mike Ritland, substantially all SOF working dogs are male. So Conan is probably male.

  39. A123 says:

    I bet Conan is glad that Biden is not in the White House!

    From: https://directorblue.blogspot.com


    _______

    PEACE 😇

  40. @syonredux

    This is the first photo of the dog that was tweeted by President Trump back in October. This dog may have courage, but it clearly has no balls. So it is either a neutered male or a female. I think female.

  41. @TWS

    Female dogs go into heat and their personality entirely changes for a few weeks two or three times a year.

    Not if they are neutered. My own dog was formerly a student service dog who failed in college as her tutors reported “Sally only wants to play and has no interest whatsoever in working.” Shehad been spayed at a young age,

    Of course the army could be using spayed female dogs and giving them testosterone supplements to make them fiercer, for all we know. But probably this is all classified information.

    The army could easily clarify the matter by publishing clear photos of the dog, or releasing transcripts of part of her medical records. My dog has an inch thick medical record file from her student days, so I am sure this dog does too.

    • Replies: @Glaivester
    , @Buzz Mohawk
  42. jpp says:
    @kihowi

    I happen to have read that book of Gessen’s. There is this one character chronicled therein, Aleksandr Dugin, who starts off, circa the early eighties, as an idealistic young intellectual, an opponent of the oppressive tendencies of the Soviet Union, a champion of liberalism, and so forth, but who has become, more recently, a philosopher of Russian nationalism, and to some extent, an apologist of Putin’s regime. This transition is portrayed as a devolution, a corruption of the intellectual will towards the justification of despotic power, which somehow represents broader trajectories in Russian culture since the fall of the Soviet Union. I, however found myself quite titillated of Dugin’s change of thought. Crudely, Dugin comes to sketch out a morally relativistic vision in which each culture/ethnicity commands its own sphere of sovereignty and its own right towards national self determination. He accuses Western European and American liberalism of posing as a universal system, and trying to inflict itself on other cultures, even though it is really a contingently situated, culturally specific ideology unto itself. He says that western liberalism is fine, as long as western Europe and America don’t try to force it upon other peoples, and that Russia’s modus operandi is fine too, as long as it operates within its natural national sphere. Reading Gessen’s tract actually made me quite sympathetic to Dugin’s strand of thinking.

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
  43. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Masha Gessen

    Hell, that’s Steve Buscemi after 2-weeks with a slightly competent orthodontist.

  44. Forbes says:
    @FruitDestroyer

    And forget asking about the dog’s pronoun preference…

  45. Forbes says:
    @Hans

    No further explanation required why anyone should ever listen to a word from the incredibly incoherent Masha Gessen.

  46. @TWS

    I don’t believe your assertion that dogs are dimorphic. I’d like to see photos of dogs that demonstrate dimorphism. Wolves also are homomorphic which I infer from seeing nature TV programs featuring wolves. Homomorphism is common among birds especially seabirds and whales and dolphins.

    • Replies: @TWS
  47. Rob McX says:

    That’s what made America great — using dogs as as sexual role models. Let’s hope Gessen doesn’t go all the way and start humping in public.

  48. After a lifetime with male dogs we adopted a spayed, senior female herding-breed mix. So I asked the crusty female shelter worker if there was anything I should know about having a female dog. “Yeah,” the wizened crone rasped, “she squats when she pees.”

  49. anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hans

    Translating Gessen: “I am a disturbed individual with mental problems. I demand that the entire rest of the world reorder its cultural artifacts to fit me and my disturbed family and friends. I do not care what this costs other people, I want what I want, I will not conform to the majority, let them conform to me”.

    AnotherDad’s minoritarianism in one paragraph.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  50. BB753 says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    “She’s a freak, son!” was most likely the real reply.
    “European Civilization : from Christendom to Freakshow ” sounds like a good working title for a book describing our demise.

  51. @TWS

    American-Muscovite-Herbraic womyn journalism

    Masha Gessen

    Bianna Golodryga

    Julia Ioffe

    Avital Chizhik-Goldschmidt

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @TWS
  52. vinteuil says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    monstrum in fronte, monstrum in animo

  53. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Masha Gessen is one the ugliest humans I’ve ever seen

    She certainly isn’t pretty, but yet she is undeniably female.

    I think that’s the crux of the matter in all these discussions. No matter how ugly or confused or even congenitally deformed a certain person is, there is always a trace of their true sex that shines through in spite of it all. That’s because sex is essential, in a Platonic meaning of the word; it is integral to the existence of every human being qua such. There is no such thing as an un-sexed human being or a human being who is not either male or female. This remains the case regardless of any psychological or even biological accidents that have distorted the underlying nature. Sex, being essential, is prior to all accidents.

    In better times, women like Masha Gessen would try to play up their kernel of femininity through their dress and behavior, and this should always be urged. In some cases it may be like trying to find the residuum of good inside Darth Vader, but any effort is better than simply conceding the fight.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  54. OT, comedian Fred Armisen doing (pretty lame) black face and comedic race baiting at @ConanOBrien in 09/07/00.

  55. Mr. Anon says:
    @Hans

    This quote by Gessen should be repeated everytime one discusses the topic of “Gay Marriage” with a normie. The goal of the LGBT movement is not to simply take part in the institution of marriage, they’re goal is to destroy the institution of marriage.

  56. @Steve Richter

    There was also a scene where 60+ Deniro is recounting his US Army WWII war experience in Italy to a very old looking Pesci, where flashback Deniro is shown making two Nazi prisoners dig their own graves and he shoots them dead. The killing being countenanced by his commanding officers. You know, the Army and US government back then was pretty much the same as the mob.

    When my father was a young officer in the Air Force, he knew an older guy who’d been a paratrooper on D-Day, and that guy had been ordered (along with another fellow) to execute/murder an entire French family of four (they had intel which suggested this family would raise the alarm with the local collaborators).

    The Second World War wasn’t beanbag.

    • Replies: @I Have Scinde
  57. El Dato says:
    @Hans

    I want “homosexual activists” to just go away instead of forcing themselves into everyone’s face and demand that everything change to their completely confused and very personal liking.

    I met my new partner, and she had just had a baby, and that baby’s biological father is my brother, and my daughter’s biological father is a man who lives in Russia, and my adopted son also considers him his father.

    This is not normal.

  58. El Dato says:
    @Jpp

    But was the depiction accurate?

    • Replies: @jpp
  59. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:

    Belgian malinoise, I think, is the breed of Sophia’s dogs in “John Wick III: Parabellum”. Vicious hounds. Besides John himself, they are the most murderous things in that film.

  60. I encourage everybody who is 100% as alpha as Pitt’s Cliff Booth character to get a pit bull and train her to the same standard of obedience as Brandy. If you aren’t quite as much of an implacable alpha male as the war hero / stunt man / acquitted wife murderer Booth, however, consider a golden retriever or a chocolate lab.

    Pit bulls are wonderful and challenging dogs. No dispute.

    How about a German Working Line GSD? If you have one of these monsters (as I do), you either “be” an alpha, or the GSD runs your life and neither of you are very happy. But if you can step up your game (as I have), they are very satisfactory guard dogs and great companions. Despite the challenges, I would not have another breed.

    BTW, Belgian Mals are the cornerbacks of the dog world. GSDs are the middle linebackers.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @TWS
  61. Some dogs are very sex-specific in their behavior, however. I used to have a half-Dalmatian, Stella, and she was almost ludicrously feminine. I suspect this is more common in dogs (such as Dalmatians) that have been bred to be pets, than among the more work-a-day breeds.

  62. Sue D. Nim says: • Website

    The Guardian arranges a blind date with a Lesbian and a Ladybloke.

    Doesn’t tell the Lesbian the other “Lesbian” is a Ladybloke!

  63. @Orangeman

    A mother might have her small son in the women’s changing area.

  64. “The Future is History: How Totalitarianism Reclaimed Russia.”

    Is she/he/it (s/h/it, for short) celebrating or condemning Russia?

  65. Lurker says:
    @Hans

    Then suddenly, for no reason at all. . .

  66. Lurker says:
    @Anonymous

    Just don’t ask me to go cleaning up after her.

  67. @Orangeman

    “Kid” , not daughter or girl, reference is odd.

    It refers to her therapy goat.

    https://hoeggerfarmyard.com/using-goats-therapy-program/

  68. Hans says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Sorry, Reg, for the quick copy and paste. If you engage the olfactories when reading (((Gessen))) and her ilk, you shouldn’t lose the scent.

  69. What are this poor dog’s pronouns?!!!

  70. JimB says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    As Red Foxx famously quipped, “If I had a dog that ugly, I’d shave its butt and make it walk backwards.”

  71. anon[322] • Disclaimer says:

    The three of us finished showering and went to our lockers, which turned out to be next to one other. I towelled off and dressed. The kid stared. When I walked over to a bank of mirrors, the kid, behind my back, finally asked, “Is that a man or a woman?” The mom explained patiently, “See how she is putting on eye makeup? That means she is a woman.”

    #StuffThatNeverHappened

  72. @MikeatMikedotMike

    She’s pretty ugly I guess, but we can’t all be beautiful. I dunno, she just looks like an old Jewish or Italian woman. Which is what she is.

  73. Unneutered male cats tend to have enormous heads for their body size. Like Barry Bonds after steroids. Easy to spot from half a block away.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  74. If I had a dog that looked like Masha Gessen I’d shave its- oh, never mind.

  75. jinks says:

    Pronouns have gender or are neutral, people are not pronouns.

  76. anonymous[314] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Richter

    The computer-altered faces were pretty discombobulating, I ‘ll grant you that. And not very convincing. The skin tones were oddly dark, kind of like in a colorized movie.
    After seeing the amazing transformation of the Steve Rogers character in the original Captain America (skinny little Steve to big muscular Steve) , I was expecting better.
    It was weird to see a middle-aged looking Robert DeNiro called “kid” by the Joe Pesci character.

    Not to worry…I read the book the film is based on, and it struck me as being largely fictional.

  77. anonymous[314] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo

    Does anyone actually believe that this incident took place as They sez it did? I do not buy that a mother would say that in front of They, even in New York City.

  78. J.Ross says:

    The last thing I remember Gessen saying about Russians was that they should be exterminated in nuclear fire (I am not confusing her here with a former leader of the Ukraine speaking about her own people, that was a separate mainsteam-acceptable genocide joke).
    By all means let her fantasize about dogs: she’s already mentally Canadian, and this so to speak keeps the camper van full of starving orphans from hurtling over the cliff.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  79. Dan Hayes says:
    @Ozymandias

    So that’s what accounts for Rev Al Sharpton’s physiogamy?

  80. anon[229] • Disclaimer says:

    people are not pronouns.

    Soylent Green is pronouns?

    • LOL: schnellandine
  81. Glaivester says: • Website
    @Jonathan Mason

    The army could easily clarify the matter by publishing clear photos of the dog, or releasing transcripts of part of her medical records. My dog has an inch thick medical record file from her student days, so I am sure this dog does too.

    To be fair, who really cares?

  82. @Hans

    And really, I would like to live in a legal system that is capable of reflecting that reality, and I don’t think that’s compatible with the institution of marriage.”

    And of course ,it goes without saying, that society and the legal system should change on the whim of an outlier lunatic like you. The more bizarre and convoluted your personal life is ,the more obligation society has to normalize it, right? We just have to “reflect your reality”. OK

    • Replies: @Hans
  83. Hubbub says:

    It seems from the photo that Masha Gessen likes to keep’em guessin’?

  84. OT:
    The Brexit Party says the European Parliament is too White. I love his investor class accent, by the way.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  85. J1234 says:
    @El Dato

    If I get this right, “gender” is a stereotype and has nothing to do with “sex” then?

    From what I can tell, the movement that perpetuates all of the slight of hand surrounding the word “gender” seems (on the surface) to be advocating for an additional paradigm for classifying people rather than a replacement paradigm. What I mean is that, for the moment, the more intelligent members of the movement seem to be acknowledging that there are obvious biological sex differences, but they say those differences are separate from something less defined (but much more emphasized) that is now called, “gender.”

    Using this amazing thing called “intuition,” I suspect that the movement will eventually attempt to transform their additional paradigm into a replacement paradigm. They’ve been pretty successful so far, but can’t go all the way because of the barrier of logic that always seems to accompany reality. When they figure out a way to reverse engineer an argument that completely denies biological sex differences (and reality), they will follow that path. Of course, there are many who are following that path now, but the slightly more intelligent members of the movement understand that it’s premature to do so. Ever since the institutionalization of leftist philosophy in America’s public school systems, time has always been on the side of the left.

  86. J.Ross says:

    An anon from the nation of Lafayette reports:
    Rennes, France.

    On Wednesday night, a right-wing (a really soft one) student association organized a meet-up in a local bar. An antifa PHD attendant named Agathe Le Guen (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKcZNUeWsAAsLYU.jpg) called for a counter-rally which ended up with the latter bar devastated and one of the right-wing student being thrown acid at his face.(https://twitter.com/LEtudiant_Libre/status/1199824571823788032)

    Yes, it’s happening in France.

  87. Blogger says:

    Steve, Steve. You’re so nasty, like a schoolyard bully. There’s something not right about you.

    Why would a grown man stoop so low?

  88. Hhsiii says:
    @anonymous coward

    Or Top Cat. I always assumed they were Phil Silvers impersonators.

    Also, in Lady and the Tramp, there were pretty explicit gender distinctions.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  89. nebulafox says:
    @J.Ross

    Considering that her parents still probably live in Moscow-I think-she probably doesn’t want things to go that far. Still, safe to say that this chick has about the same objectivity about Putin’s Russia that a Palestinian would have about Israel.

    This isn’t the usual subtly narcissistic American Jewish left-winger fantasy about Putin being the second coming of Alexander III (in reality, Putin has been nothing but over-the-top friendly toward what is left of Russia’s Jews) so much as her being angry about Russia not displaying American cultural norms on sexuality, given her own personal life. That’s understandable, but also deeply unfair on some level: much of America’s position on “nonbinary” people would have hardly been distinguishable from Russia’s as recently as 25 years ago, when gay marriage was a fringe discussion at best. Why are people routinely shocked that not everybody has moved so rapidly? Human nature is normally very slow to change.

    (Note: unlike many commentators here, I personally could not care less what people do in their romantic lives. But neither do I think it should remotely be a foreign policy issue, least of all concerning another nuclear power.)

    It’s hard to not perceive a desire for ideological conflict with Moscow over things like this from the State Department and Company during the Obama era (although you could already see signs of this under Bush II), which is not a little bit hypocritical considering how we’re more than willing to overlook the Saudis causing famines or the Chinese cracking down on whole ethnic populations. The ideological beliefs of the largely liberal, educated white people who make up our foreign policy bureaucracy is easily reflected with the shifts in the Democratic Party. As recently as the 1990s, it would have been extremely difficult to see Clinton tanking relations with a nuclear power over something like gay rights.

    Even Obama before his second term was cautious about doing so. Considering that he was cagey about gay marriage in 2008, would he have really sunk the “reset” over that? So something just broke the ideological flood around 2012 on the left. Steve has probed around the causes of why, and I’d be interested in seeing a more unified, coherent list of hypotheses for this.

  90. @Steve in Greensboro

    Who are the nose tackles? Mastiffs?

  91. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Masha Gessen is one the ugliest humans I’ve ever seen

    She certainly isn’t pretty, but yet she is undeniably female.

    Which explains why she’s so angry. Like most feminists she hates everything female about herself.

  92. @jpp

    Well said. Mashenka G. simply despises Russians. They’re not as compliant as she’d like.

  93. On this Thanksgiving day, I can honestly be thankful for many things. Our spread was a really embarrassing display of foods. And many at our table knew first-hand how many live in less privileged places. We are truly blessed.

    Let us also give thanks that none of us, nor our loved ones, has ever witnessed Maria Gessen or Rachel Maddow showering in the raw.

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @nebulafox
  94. Daniel H says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    And this is how we know that the story is bogus. Gessen fabricated the tale just to make her point (and earn a paycheck).

  95. Dan Hayes says:
    @Cagey Beast

    This speech is a wake-up call to kiss the Brexit Party good-bye and good-riddance!

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  96. “As someone who is often the object of children’s gender curiosity…”

    I have lived in LA for a couple of years now and have decided that most – maybe all – of people who take on these bizarre trans/gay/bi/blue hair/clown appearances are profoundly unattractive specimens who must feel “invisible” to normal humans who graciously ignore the uglies instead of pointing at them and exclaiming “Eeeewwwwwaaahh!!!”

    So to become “visible” they assume a bizarre persona that demands attention – even disgust or hatred. At least now they exist.

    My standard operating procedure when I see these people is to intentionally ignore their presence – they will not make me give them what they want, which is attention.

    Mashup Guessin’ does not deserve our attention – she’s not even a good writer for God’s sake.

    PS: I loved Brandy’s work in “Once Upon a Time…” – she’s a better actor than anyone in, say, “La La Land”.

  97. For example, about eight years ago, I was taking a shower at a gym, in an open stall in the women’s locker room, opposite a woman and her little kid, who couldn’t stop staring at me.

    The ultimate locker room madrigal, with a child present, no less:

    (It’s “Untitled” to ward off a lawsuit.)

    Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

  98. nebulafox says:
    @Kibernetika

    Yeah, I’m in a similar frame of mind right now. Our family just had a lovely steak dinner with abundant fixings and a kickass cake at the end. Turns out since none of us like turkey, we decided to just ditch the pretenses and do our own thing this year. Turns out I also like to cook-go figure.

    Now I’m full, sitting in front of the terminal, and thinking about how many people aren’t that blessed, whether in the city nearby that has one of the nastier homeless problems within the US, or in some slum in Dhaka or Cebu.

    As for me, this Thanksgiving, I am thankful for getting another chance in life. In all honesty, I really should be dead, or out homeless somewhere. But I’m not. I’m getting another chance, irrespective of whether I deserve it or not. And I have my family-and being born in this wonderful country, whatever its flaws-to thank for that.

    So, nothing to do now except buckle down and make a fresh start of it. Good luck to you all. Happy Thanksgiving.

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
  99. Hans says:
    @kaganovitch

    Sorry, Lazar, all the text is (((Gessesn’s))). I am merely your humble goy messenger.

    She is a Russian Jew. Russian and non-Russian Jews have had lots of great ideas for reworking other people’s societies. An amazing track record. Criminally, the media and academe have refused to give them proper credit. Maybe this time things we be different.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  100. @Jonathan Mason

    The army could easily clarify the matter by publishing clear photos of the dog, or releasing transcripts of part of her medical records. My dog has an inch thick medical record file from her student days, so I am sure this dog does too.

    My dog has an inch-thick dick, and that clarifies the matter. Well, I haven’t actually measured it.

    I saw Conan on TV, and then I changed the channel to Fox News and saw the president with this dog. He appeared to have a penis.

    I’m not sure about the dog, though.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  101. jpp says:
    @El Dato

    I detect a scintilla of sardonicism in the question you pose. My bland reply is that while I fail to concur with Gessen’s politics and activism, I would mainly positively appraise Gessen’s characterizations of the Poincare conjecture, of Russian paradigms of mathematics, of Jewish Russians in mathematics, and of mathematical academic politics, which are about as cogent as one could hope from a journalist who isn’t a technical expert.

    Although, at the time of writing this comment, one passage from the book in question summons to my mind which I had slightly glossed over on first reading years back, an excerpt in which Gessen insinuates homosexual overtones in the mannerisms and behaviors of Andrei Kolmogorov. In particular, she describes some sort of math boot camp type program in which Kolmogorov would participate with Russia’s high school mathematics olympiad team, the atmosphere of which I believe she describes as ‘homoerotically charged’ or something similar ( I believe she uses this term but I would have to dig up the specific passage to doublecheck). I have never taken the time to vet rumors of Kolmogorov’s potential homosexuality, or whether this alleged homosexuality influenced his relations with his high school students, though in light of what I understand about Gessen now, I would be inclined to give these passages a more exacting scrutiny.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  102. Peterike says:
    @Hans

    “I met my new partner, and she had just had a baby, and that baby’s biological father is my brother,”

    Incest by proxy.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  103. Neoconned says:

    I’m fine w gay rights, etc.

    And much more its about not caring what 2 consenting adults do.

    However, I’m almost at the point of gay/trans saturation that I’d pay these loud mouth activists money if they would go away and never bother me or others online again.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  104. @Neoconned

    I’m fine w gay rights, etc.

    I’m fine with rights for gays, but their definition of rights never aligns with mine, so to hell with them. In recognition of their ailments, they demand higher status, and enslavement of peaceful folk. This perverse inversion infests the world.

    Have attempted to explain rights to otherwise intelligent leftists (whatever that’s worth). They never get the slavery part of the equation.

  105. @nebulafox

    And a happy Thanksgiving to you, sir. Sounds like you’re in a good place 🙂

    Seeing real poverty is shocking to anyone who is not a sociopath. Seeing that stuff is as bad as seeing violence — maybe it’s worse. In fact, it is worse. At least the violence stuff has a proximate and clear, easily understood cause.

  106. vetmed says:
    @syonredux

    This dog is a female. That should be pretty obvious from the picture. Her vagina is pointing straight at the camera.

  107. Progs on the offensive….

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/mimi-lemay-wants-you-to-understand-the-reality-of-raising-a-trans-son/

    Mimi Lemay wants you to understand the reality of raising a trans son

    Mimi Lemay’s son, Jacob, came out as trans when he was just two-and-a-half years old.
    ….

    Comments:

    Albert Beauchard
    This article is not about transgenders or (any) religion.
    It is about designer children, exploiting children and dumb, tabloid journalism.

    The reference to transgenders is irrelevant.
    A two-and-a-half year old child is a “toddler”. The word is derived from “to toddle”, which means to walk unsteadily.
    The child is at toilet training age.
    It is not capable of making a reasoned decision about gender and is emotionally and cognitively dependent on its parents.
    The mother has designed a “transgender” child and is making a living from it.

    The reporting is even worse.
    It not only gives a pulpit to the mother without one critical question, it also endorses the pedagogical nonsense of the cognitive and emotional independence of a toddler.
    According this article, the mother’s book is “a powerful and moving story, and a must-read for parents of all stripes.”
    Are the JTA and the Times of Israel now the agent for Mimi’s book?

    Barry Norman

    This is very disturbing a childs brain, reasoning and understanding is not developed at that age. I remember tom boys. A mother is moulding her child based on some assertions his undeveloped mind made. He or she will change as they grow up and also when they hit puberty.

    These parents are nuts.. nuts.. nuts.. nuts.. leave the child alone don’t box them into corners. One day they want to play drums and a week later they want to play football and a week later they want to take dance….

    The parents need to have their heads examined.

    Yehuda Liebenson
    This is child abuse and lunacy. My son thinks he’s a power ranger. Let’s put a costume on him and let him jump out of windows. Disgraceful.

  108. @jpp

    I have never taken the time to vet rumors of Kolmogorov’s potential homosexuality,

    He was gay, but not a pedo.

  109. TWS says:
    @Anonymouse

    Wolves are not remarkably different although males are bigger than females. Dogs are not wolves so you’ll see some breeds that are really different and some that closer in size to each other.

    Believe what you see on tv or listen to someone who raises dogs and trapped wolves and coyotes.

  110. TWS says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    They don’t look like the same species, much less the same gender.

  111. TWS says:
    @Steve in Greensboro

    If I want a true security dog there’s none better than a working line GSD. They are high energy and fearless. They love to get their bite too much. Have to keep an eye on that when you’re working with them.

  112. @Hans

    Russian and non-Russian Jews have had lots of great ideas for reworking other people’s societies. An amazing track record. Criminally, the media and academe have refused to give them proper credit.

    Southerners are also unfairly denied credit for their innovations– replacing tariffs with income taxation, regulating gun possession, flooding the country with alien races…

  113. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Dan Hayes

    This speech is a wake-up call to kiss the Brexit Party good-bye and good-riddance!

    Brexit is all about more globalist, not less. It’s pushed by people like Nigel Farage because it will be very good for Nigel and his chums in the City. It’s pushed by extremist neo-Thatcherite globalists like Boris Johnson. It’s a neoliberal globalist project through and through.

  114. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    As Ambrose Bierce once wrote, spies are executed as a matter of expediency, because they are so dangerous. Killing captured soldiers after forcing them to dig their own graves is something fundamentally different.

  115. @Buzz Mohawk

    I … saw the president with this dog. He appeared to have a penis.

    I’m not sure about the dog, though.

    Hard to tell if the dog has a penis, but it sure doesn’t have a scrotum, which narrows the gender down a bit.

    Obviously the sex of the dog is not very important, except that this is possibly yet another example of the Emperor’s New Clothes, where Trump’s craven courtiers dare not speak the evidence of their own eyes for fear of offending royalty, which seems to happen all too often.

  116. Rapparee says:

    I encourage everybody who is 100% as alpha as Pitt’s Cliff Booth character to get a pit bull and train her to the same standard of obedience as Brandy. If you aren’t quite as much of an implacable alpha male as the war hero / stunt man / acquitted wife murderer / expert dog trainer Booth, however, consider a golden retriever or a chocolate lab.

    I spent a few uneasy hours over Thanksgiving weekend in the presence of a middle-aged relative of a relative and her rescued pit bull- a gigantic ex-fighting dog to whose abusive previous owner I evidently bore some small resemblance, since he began barking furiously, leaping at me in rage, and straining at his rather inadequate-looking leash every time we made the slightest eye contact. My cousin informed me that their canine guest had the same reaction to a college football player recently, and that evidently “He doesn’t like alpha males” (leaving me to wonder in what strange alternate universe I became an “alpha male”). Having once personally seen a pair of similarly-sized pit bulls snap metal chains to get at the object of their ire, it felt rather like sitting on the couch with someone in the room carelessly waving a shotgun in every direction. I left praying that the dog will croak before the owner’s young son hits puberty and starts reeking of testosterone.

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