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Armando Iannucci, creator of foul-mouthed politics comedies The Thick of It, In the Loop, and Veep, directs The Death of Stalin. (The above trailer’s language is NSFW.)

With Jason Isaacs as, I presume, General Zhukov, Steve Buscemi as Khrushchev, Michael Palin as Molotov, Jeffrey Tambor as Malenkov, Simon Russell Beale as Beria, Dermot Crowley as Kaganovitch, Paul Whitehouse as Mikoyan, and Gerald Lepkowski as Brezhnev.

Looks like it might offer some insight into what’s going on within the corridors of power at Google today.

 
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  1. Jack D says:

    It looks horrible. Who did their makeup? They all look more dead than Stalin.

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  2. Why do some of them speak English with an American accent and others do so with a British accent? I understand the movie is in English and we all just have to accept that, but I say find one accent and stick with it to avoid some of the cognitive dissonance.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Did all Soviet insiders speak Russian with the same accent? The Bolsheviks were kind of a coalition of the fringes. Putin is supposedly the first Russian supremo to speak with an educated northwestern heartland accent since, I dunno, Kerensky?
    , @Bill Jones
    What is a "British Accent"?
    That spoken by the Brit Sean Connerly?
    That spoken by the Brit Ruth Jones?
    That spoken by the Brit Ian Paisley?

    What you pig ignorant fuck-wits mean is an English Accent.
    , @Lurker
    I would say it was a British film rather than an English one.
    , @Dave from Oz
    "Why do some of them speak English with an American accent and others do so with a British accent?"

    Why did the captain in "The hunt for Red October" speak with a Scottish accent? It's a comedy, not an accurate period piece. Just ignore it.
  3. whorefinder says: • Website

    Great. The same people who gave us Veep, the show nobody watches and is all about pushing female VP andleftism, is doing this.

    2,000,0000 dollars says it glorifies communist policies and makes the West the bad guys.

    John Brennan, communist and ex-CIA chief, approves of that message.

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    • Replies: @Twinkie

    The same people who gave us Veep, the show nobody watches and is all about pushing female VP andleftism
     
    You clearly don't watch "Veep." It's the most accurate tv show about D.C., period. The combination of naked ambition and self-absorption and sheer, utter incompetence is just too painfully on the money for those who know the scene.
    , @Lot
    When you finally find that whore you've been searching for, inquire upon the price of stick removal.
  4. I can’t imagine this will be successful, many Westerners, especially younger ones, probably don’t even know who Stalin was. He isn’t an almost metaphysical symbol of evil like Hitler and the Nazis, and only rarely turns up in pop culture.

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    • Replies: @Darin
    Isn't utter oblivion the best form of revenge?
    Imagine if Hitler and Stalin came back. If Hitler saw that whole world still hates him, fears him, talks about him constantly and sees him as the most evil man that ever lived, and if Stalin saw that outside of Russia he is completely forgotten, who would be happier?
  5. @Jeremy Cooper
    Why do some of them speak English with an American accent and others do so with a British accent? I understand the movie is in English and we all just have to accept that, but I say find one accent and stick with it to avoid some of the cognitive dissonance.

    Did all Soviet insiders speak Russian with the same accent? The Bolsheviks were kind of a coalition of the fringes. Putin is supposedly the first Russian supremo to speak with an educated northwestern heartland accent since, I dunno, Kerensky?

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    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Fredrik
    Mostly like they spoke with different accents since quite of few of them were non-Russians.

    Mikoyan = Armenian
    Beria=Mingrelian(from Georgia)
    Stalin=Georgian
    , @YY
    Not really true, Steve. Other than Stalin, who really did have a strong accent, most Bolsheviks had perfectly normal Russian pronunciation. Lenin rolled his "r"s, which is an affectation used by people of aristocratic background; some people today incorrectly believe this to be some kind of a speech defect.

    Khrushchev was a crude and uneducated man, but there was nothing wrong with his pronunciation. Brezhnev is remembered as senile, which he was in the last years of his rule, when he could barely enunciate anything. However, he speech was fine, pronunciation-wise, before that. Chernenko, Andropov, Gorbachev did not speak with any particular accent or southern pronunciation.

    Yeltsin is also remembered for being a drunken old fool at the end of his rule, but there was nothing wrong with his accent. Also, he wasn't always a comical figure, by any means: in his youth, he had movie-star looks (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFmmV7mXYAEf1Q5.jpg) and was considered a very good speaker. He was a very popular politician in the 80s.

    As for Putin, while his pronunciation is - again - unremarkable, he comes from a low-class background (basically "from the streets"), and his manner of speaking often reflects that - all these quotes about drowning people in the toilet and so on.
    , @syonredux

    Did all Soviet insiders speak Russian with the same accent? The Bolsheviks were kind of a coalition of the fringes. Putin is supposedly the first Russian supremo to speak with an educated northwestern heartland accent since, I dunno, Kerensky?
     
    Yeah. The USSR was a mighty big place with a wide variety of accents. So, a wide variety of Anglophone accents seems appropriate for a project set in '50s USSR.
    , @Cagey Beast
    I remember during the early stages of the crisis in eastern Ukraine there was a clip on YouTube with a debate in the comments below it. People were pointing out that the new, well-equipped and fit guys -- who suddenly replaced the locals holding the fort at a city hall taken over by the rebels -- spoke with a different Russian accent. They told people to "get off the pavement" when people in the south say "sidewalk". I don't speak a word of Russian but even I could tell the guy spoke in a much more clipped way than the locals; more like the way Finnish or Estonian sounds. My point being, I guess, that Russia does seem to have strong regional accents.
    , @Dmitry
    No, this is incorrect. There is very little accent variation in Russia. The main distinction is between pronunciation of the r sound in North and South. And then a few slight differences in Caucasus. But in general the accent is very highly standardised.
  6. @Jeremy Cooper
    Why do some of them speak English with an American accent and others do so with a British accent? I understand the movie is in English and we all just have to accept that, but I say find one accent and stick with it to avoid some of the cognitive dissonance.

    What is a “British Accent”?
    That spoken by the Brit Sean Connerly?
    That spoken by the Brit Ruth Jones?
    That spoken by the Brit Ian Paisley?

    What you pig ignorant fuck-wits mean is an English Accent.

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    • LOL: TelfoedJohn
    • Replies: @guest
    So long as we're throwing around insults about pig-ignorance, there's more than one kind of English accent, as you must know. Here in America we mainly recognize two:

    1). Posh Shakespearean Ah-ctor English, and

    2). Dick Van Dyke Cockney English.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    What is an "Engish Accent"?

    That spoken by Geordies?
    That spoken by Brummies?
    That spoken by Scousers?

    What you pig ignorant fuck-wit wants to do is play one-upmanship, and you're crap at it.
    , @EdwardM
    How about "all of the above"? Can there not be subsets of British accents from the point of view of the foreigner? Like I can recognize Welsh, Cockney, or Scottish; obviously a Brit would have a more nuanced understanding.

    Just like a Brit could basically discern southern American, Boston, and New York accents but still fairly call any of them "American."
    , @Lurker
    I say, steady on old chap.
  7. Chiron says:

    The Jewish Lazar Kaganovich was the last of the Old Bolsheviks to die, he almost outlived the Soviet Union. Maybe he was the power behind Stalin.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Stalin didn't much like having powers behind him where he couldn't keep his eyes on them.
    , @oddsbodkins
    Maybe... Reptilian?
    , @reiner Tor
    No. He was one of Stalin's most important lieutenants, until he lost his influence a few years before his death, regained some of it after, and then was forced into retirement by Khrushchev for participating in the Politburo coup attempt against him.

    But he was no power behind Stalin.
    , @David In TN
    If Stalin suspected Kaganovich was trying to build a power base, he would have had Kaganovich liquidated in short order.
  8. J1234 says:

    Now that Putin is the international symbol of nationalism and “Russian collusion” is being used as a reason to bring down Trump, it’s finally OK for Hollywood to make fun of Russia. Otto Katz, the Soviet operative who started the Hollywood Anti-Nazi league, is turning in his grave.

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    • Replies: @guest
    Notice also last year, I think, they released at long last a movie about the Holodomor. At least I saw a trailer for it. Looked awful.

    Mass Media propaganda is so bleeding slow and obvious. Maybe it was always thus, but now a schlub like me can say so on a forum to be read by upwards of a few people!
  9. @Chiron
    The Jewish Lazar Kaganovich was the last of the Old Bolsheviks to die, he almost outlived the Soviet Union. Maybe he was the power behind Stalin.

    Stalin didn’t much like having powers behind him where he couldn’t keep his eyes on them.

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  10. george says:

    Wow. Red is hot. Red is the new red.

    Comrade Detective – Season 1 Trailer

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    • Replies: @Romanian
    I've seen this lol. So random. Came out of nowhere!
  11. Fredrik says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Did all Soviet insiders speak Russian with the same accent? The Bolsheviks were kind of a coalition of the fringes. Putin is supposedly the first Russian supremo to speak with an educated northwestern heartland accent since, I dunno, Kerensky?

    Mostly like they spoke with different accents since quite of few of them were non-Russians.

    Mikoyan = Armenian
    Beria=Mingrelian(from Georgia)
    Stalin=Georgian

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  12. Twinkie says:
    @whorefinder
    Great. The same people who gave us Veep, the show nobody watches and is all about pushing female VP andleftism, is doing this.

    2,000,0000 dollars says it glorifies communist policies and makes the West the bad guys.

    John Brennan, communist and ex-CIA chief, approves of that message.

    The same people who gave us Veep, the show nobody watches and is all about pushing female VP andleftism

    You clearly don’t watch “Veep.” It’s the most accurate tv show about D.C., period. The combination of naked ambition and self-absorption and sheer, utter incompetence is just too painfully on the money for those who know the scene.

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    • Replies: @guest
    It is accurate, for a certain class in D.C. But you have to read between the lines to get the true story,which you can get from a masterpiece like Yes, Minister. While those nakedly ambitious, self-absorbed incompetents play their little games, some group of people somewhere else are actually running things.

    Those people are also incompetent, self-absorbed, and nakedly ambitious. But they're not part of the reality tv show of politics.
    , @whorefinder

    You clearly don’t watch “Veep.”
     
    Nobody does, son. Less than 600,000 people watch that crap show: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/more-tv-news/2017-emmys-all-the-series-nominees-ranked-by-ratings/

    For reference, RuPaul's Drag Race has more viewers. so lol.


    It’s the most accurate tv show about D.C., period. The combination of naked ambition and self-absorption and sheer, utter incompetence is just too painfully on the money for those who know the scene.
     

    Oh, so it's big among the the Deep State/Inside the Beltway crowd that hate Trump and told us he could never win and want white America replaced?

    Yeah, thanks, that's all the proof anyone needs it sucks.

  13. Stalin’s blunt and simple repression of thought is characteristic of neocons – repeated purges, deadly serious articles about Rand Paul’s too-languid clapping during Netanyahu’s speech, Max Boot frankly proclaiming his preference for Stalin over Trump.

    The left’s arsenal of psychological torture and social control is far more sophisticated.

    SJWs, Antifa and Google combine Leon Trotsky’s “permanent revolution”, Matyas Rakosi’s “salami tactics”, Mao’s “struggle sessions”, Hebert Marcuse’s “polymorphous perversity”, Saul Alinsky’s “rules for radicals”, Markus Wolf’s “Zersetzung”, and Joe Slovo’s “no middle way” (thankfully, the Slovo “necklace” hasn’t made its appearance in America – at least, not yet).

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  14. guest says:
    @Bill Jones
    What is a "British Accent"?
    That spoken by the Brit Sean Connerly?
    That spoken by the Brit Ruth Jones?
    That spoken by the Brit Ian Paisley?

    What you pig ignorant fuck-wits mean is an English Accent.

    So long as we’re throwing around insults about pig-ignorance, there’s more than one kind of English accent, as you must know. Here in America we mainly recognize two:

    1). Posh Shakespearean Ah-ctor English, and

    2). Dick Van Dyke Cockney English.

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    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    I've tried to listen to a few American produced audio-only Shakespeare plays and they all seem to speak like Frasier Crane. What is that, a Boston or New England accent? Do Americans need their Shakespeare spoken like that? Kind of like Chuck Yeager's pilot accent?
    , @Bugg
    Do you prefer New Jerseyan Peter Dinklage talking like one of Queen Elizabeth's subjects on "Game of Thrones"?"GOT" showrunners(who like George Martin are American) appear to prefer a uniform accent too, spare a few of the far away kingdoms. And an English accent to the whole thing gives it a whiff of high class. The "Stalin" cast is not speaking Russian so their accents in English isn't that important. Though if you put Michael Palin in anything reminds of "Monty Python". The Soviet hierarchy, if absurd, was no Ministry of Silly Walks.
  15. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Have you seen the most recent season of Veep, Steve? It’s the iSteve-iest TV I’ve ever seen.
    Privileged brunette lady-comics (Fey, Louise-Dreyfus) might be the best-placed people in our society to Notice in public without being drawn and quartered for it.

    Can’t find youtube clips because it’s HBO, but some highlights:
    -Louise-Dreyfus’ character goes to Georgia (Stalin not Charles) to monitor an election between a russophile strongman and a russophobe darling of the Liberal west. The liberal is an obvious stand-in for Mikheil Saakashvili, of iSteve fame, with Viktor Yushchenko’s poison scars thrown in for good measure. He is, of course, utterly cynical and hypocritical, and ends up in a bidding war with the other candidate to buy off Louise-Dreyfus with a seven-figure donation to her “charitable foundation.”

    -The president is a transracial white woman from Ohio who married into the name Montez and sprinkles random Spanish into her speeches.

    -A character claims that Hamilton “was our first Puerto Rican President.”

    -A roomful of congresspeople gasp after one of them suggests cutting aid to Israel. They agree to propose cutting aid to veterans instead, reasoning that it’s fair game “since they volunteered.”

    Lots more, including Qatari diplomacy, Arab human rights conferences, African marriage practices, and Sheldon Adelson.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    A friend of mine had a small role on it this year.
  16. @Chiron
    The Jewish Lazar Kaganovich was the last of the Old Bolsheviks to die, he almost outlived the Soviet Union. Maybe he was the power behind Stalin.

    Maybe… Reptilian?

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  17. guest says:

    Brave Hollywood goes after Stalin a mere 75 or so years after propaganda like Mission to Moscow.

    Of course, this takes place in Darkest Russia. (I don’t imagine they’ll draw attention to the fact that a lot of them aren’t actually ethnic Russians.) And full of White Males, so not very brave after all.

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  18. YY says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Did all Soviet insiders speak Russian with the same accent? The Bolsheviks were kind of a coalition of the fringes. Putin is supposedly the first Russian supremo to speak with an educated northwestern heartland accent since, I dunno, Kerensky?

    Not really true, Steve. Other than Stalin, who really did have a strong accent, most Bolsheviks had perfectly normal Russian pronunciation. Lenin rolled his “r”s, which is an affectation used by people of aristocratic background; some people today incorrectly believe this to be some kind of a speech defect.

    Khrushchev was a crude and uneducated man, but there was nothing wrong with his pronunciation. Brezhnev is remembered as senile, which he was in the last years of his rule, when he could barely enunciate anything. However, he speech was fine, pronunciation-wise, before that. Chernenko, Andropov, Gorbachev did not speak with any particular accent or southern pronunciation.

    Yeltsin is also remembered for being a drunken old fool at the end of his rule, but there was nothing wrong with his accent. Also, he wasn’t always a comical figure, by any means: in his youth, he had movie-star looks (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFmmV7mXYAEf1Q5.jpg) and was considered a very good speaker. He was a very popular politician in the 80s.

    As for Putin, while his pronunciation is – again – unremarkable, he comes from a low-class background (basically “from the streets”), and his manner of speaking often reflects that – all these quotes about drowning people in the toilet and so on.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    I thought Krushchev was a graduate of an engineering college?
    , @Moshe
    "all these quotes about drowning people in the toilet and so on."

    I literally laughed out loud!
    , @Mr. Anon

    As for Putin, while his pronunciation is – again – unremarkable, he comes from a low-class background (basically “from the streets”), and his manner of speaking often reflects that – all these quotes about drowning people in the toilet and so on.
     
    I would have assumed his crude manner of speaking reflects the fact that he was a KGB hood. I believe that Putin was more on the surveillance side of the business rather than the muscle-side of it, but that wouldn't stop him from adopting the patois of his fellow thugs.
  19. guest says:
    @J1234
    Now that Putin is the international symbol of nationalism and "Russian collusion" is being used as a reason to bring down Trump, it's finally OK for Hollywood to make fun of Russia. Otto Katz, the Soviet operative who started the Hollywood Anti-Nazi league, is turning in his grave.

    Notice also last year, I think, they released at long last a movie about the Holodomor. At least I saw a trailer for it. Looked awful.

    Mass Media propaganda is so bleeding slow and obvious. Maybe it was always thus, but now a schlub like me can say so on a forum to be read by upwards of a few people!

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    • Replies: @J1234

    Notice also last year, I think, they released at long last a movie about the Holodomor.
     
    Did that even get a theatrical release? I heard something about it, I think, but the media was silent. If it was a bad movie, maybe that was for the best.

    Anyway, the persecution that Dalton Trumbo had to face from McCarthyism must've been far worse than the slow deaths of those millions of peasants. So at least Hollywood has it's moral priorities straight.

  20. guest says:
    @Twinkie

    The same people who gave us Veep, the show nobody watches and is all about pushing female VP andleftism
     
    You clearly don't watch "Veep." It's the most accurate tv show about D.C., period. The combination of naked ambition and self-absorption and sheer, utter incompetence is just too painfully on the money for those who know the scene.

    It is accurate, for a certain class in D.C. But you have to read between the lines to get the true story,which you can get from a masterpiece like Yes, Minister. While those nakedly ambitious, self-absorbed incompetents play their little games, some group of people somewhere else are actually running things.

    Those people are also incompetent, self-absorbed, and nakedly ambitious. But they’re not part of the reality tv show of politics.

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    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    "Yes, Minister" was, indeed, a masterpiece.
    , @Twinkie
    Deep state for the win!

    For that side of D.C., we have "Burn after Reading." Also too painfully on the money.
  21. @Anonymous
    Have you seen the most recent season of Veep, Steve? It's the iSteve-iest TV I've ever seen.
    Privileged brunette lady-comics (Fey, Louise-Dreyfus) might be the best-placed people in our society to Notice in public without being drawn and quartered for it.

    Can't find youtube clips because it's HBO, but some highlights:
    -Louise-Dreyfus' character goes to Georgia (Stalin not Charles) to monitor an election between a russophile strongman and a russophobe darling of the Liberal west. The liberal is an obvious stand-in for Mikheil Saakashvili, of iSteve fame, with Viktor Yushchenko's poison scars thrown in for good measure. He is, of course, utterly cynical and hypocritical, and ends up in a bidding war with the other candidate to buy off Louise-Dreyfus with a seven-figure donation to her "charitable foundation."

    -The president is a transracial white woman from Ohio who married into the name Montez and sprinkles random Spanish into her speeches.

    -A character claims that Hamilton "was our first Puerto Rican President."

    -A roomful of congresspeople gasp after one of them suggests cutting aid to Israel. They agree to propose cutting aid to veterans instead, reasoning that it's fair game "since they volunteered."

    Lots more, including Qatari diplomacy, Arab human rights conferences, African marriage practices, and Sheldon Adelson.

    A friend of mine had a small role on it this year.

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    • Replies: @Moshe
    Did she dump Jonah when he was off the ticket?

    By the way, the ending where Elaine starts running for president by saying that she's going to see all of the people of real America from the Palo Alto to Hollywood and from Wall Street to The Hamptons the writers are clearly mocking Hillary. I wonder how many other people caught that, it was hilarious
  22. @Bill Jones
    What is a "British Accent"?
    That spoken by the Brit Sean Connerly?
    That spoken by the Brit Ruth Jones?
    That spoken by the Brit Ian Paisley?

    What you pig ignorant fuck-wits mean is an English Accent.

    What is an “Engish Accent”?

    That spoken by Geordies?
    That spoken by Brummies?
    That spoken by Scousers?

    What you pig ignorant fuck-wit wants to do is play one-upmanship, and you’re crap at it.

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  23. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Did all Soviet insiders speak Russian with the same accent? The Bolsheviks were kind of a coalition of the fringes. Putin is supposedly the first Russian supremo to speak with an educated northwestern heartland accent since, I dunno, Kerensky?

    Did all Soviet insiders speak Russian with the same accent? The Bolsheviks were kind of a coalition of the fringes. Putin is supposedly the first Russian supremo to speak with an educated northwestern heartland accent since, I dunno, Kerensky?

    Yeah. The USSR was a mighty big place with a wide variety of accents. So, a wide variety of Anglophone accents seems appropriate for a project set in ’50s USSR.

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  24. EdwardM says:
    @Bill Jones
    What is a "British Accent"?
    That spoken by the Brit Sean Connerly?
    That spoken by the Brit Ruth Jones?
    That spoken by the Brit Ian Paisley?

    What you pig ignorant fuck-wits mean is an English Accent.

    How about “all of the above”? Can there not be subsets of British accents from the point of view of the foreigner? Like I can recognize Welsh, Cockney, or Scottish; obviously a Brit would have a more nuanced understanding.

    Just like a Brit could basically discern southern American, Boston, and New York accents but still fairly call any of them “American.”

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    • Replies: @jim jones
    A chap stopped me recently near Kings Cross to ask for directions, I immediately recognised him as German because he had no accent. Every Brit has an accent.
  25. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    Did all Soviet insiders speak Russian with the same accent? The Bolsheviks were kind of a coalition of the fringes. Putin is supposedly the first Russian supremo to speak with an educated northwestern heartland accent since, I dunno, Kerensky?

    I remember during the early stages of the crisis in eastern Ukraine there was a clip on YouTube with a debate in the comments below it. People were pointing out that the new, well-equipped and fit guys — who suddenly replaced the locals holding the fort at a city hall taken over by the rebels — spoke with a different Russian accent. They told people to “get off the pavement” when people in the south say “sidewalk”. I don’t speak a word of Russian but even I could tell the guy spoke in a much more clipped way than the locals; more like the way Finnish or Estonian sounds. My point being, I guess, that Russia does seem to have strong regional accents.

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  26. Darin says:
    @German_reader
    I can't imagine this will be successful, many Westerners, especially younger ones, probably don't even know who Stalin was. He isn't an almost metaphysical symbol of evil like Hitler and the Nazis, and only rarely turns up in pop culture.

    Isn’t utter oblivion the best form of revenge?
    Imagine if Hitler and Stalin came back. If Hitler saw that whole world still hates him, fears him, talks about him constantly and sees him as the most evil man that ever lived, and if Stalin saw that outside of Russia he is completely forgotten, who would be happier?

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    • Replies: @German_reader
    Well, I suppose they both would be pretty unhappy if they came back...Hitler would be shocked at the number of non-whites in Europe, and Stalin would be disturbed that Marxism-Leninism had failed (that's not what was supposed to happen after all).
    Btw a few years ago there was some silly novel/movie "Er ist wieder da" ("He's back again") in which Hitler wakes up in Berlin in 2014...maybe something like this could be done about Hitler and Stalin...
  27. J1234 says:
    @guest
    Notice also last year, I think, they released at long last a movie about the Holodomor. At least I saw a trailer for it. Looked awful.

    Mass Media propaganda is so bleeding slow and obvious. Maybe it was always thus, but now a schlub like me can say so on a forum to be read by upwards of a few people!

    Notice also last year, I think, they released at long last a movie about the Holodomor.

    Did that even get a theatrical release? I heard something about it, I think, but the media was silent. If it was a bad movie, maybe that was for the best.

    Anyway, the persecution that Dalton Trumbo had to face from McCarthyism must’ve been far worse than the slow deaths of those millions of peasants. So at least Hollywood has it’s moral priorities straight.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    Try thepiratebay.org.

    Yesterday I watched '71, a UK war/action/chase movie set in Belfast in 1971. Great movie, and hard to find these days when most action movies are aimed at Mexican and Chinese teenagers with comic book characters. Not a single butt kicking babe either.
    , @snorlax

    Anyway, the persecution that Dalton Trumbo had to face from McCarthyism must’ve been far worse than the slow deaths of those millions of peasants. So at least Hollywood has it’s moral priorities straight.
     
    https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=kkk
    66,000,000 results

    https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=communism
    38,000,000 results

    100,000,000 killed by Communism, so that's 0.38 results per death.

    I think the number of murders attributed to the Klan (the modern iteration with the sheets and burning crosses, not the Reconstruction-era group) is in the 20-30 range. Call it 30 (2.2 million results per death).

    Or, to be fair, let's accept the term's popular usage referring to the entire phenomenon of lynchings of blacks, which was somewhere in the 2800-4000 range. Call it 4000 (16,500 RPD).

    Or, for argument's sake, let's be even more fair and add in everyone killed in the Civil War, so 1,000,000 or so total. 66 RPD.

    So, it's somewhere between 174 and 5.8 million times more noteworthy when the KKK kills someone as when Communists do. Of course that's before adjusting for recency.

    Bonus:

    https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=trump
    896,000,000 results

    https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jesus
    881,000,000 results
  28. @Fredrik
    Mostly like they spoke with different accents since quite of few of them were non-Russians.

    Mikoyan = Armenian
    Beria=Mingrelian(from Georgia)
    Stalin=Georgian

    Dzerzhinsky = Polish

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  29. @Darin
    Isn't utter oblivion the best form of revenge?
    Imagine if Hitler and Stalin came back. If Hitler saw that whole world still hates him, fears him, talks about him constantly and sees him as the most evil man that ever lived, and if Stalin saw that outside of Russia he is completely forgotten, who would be happier?

    Well, I suppose they both would be pretty unhappy if they came back…Hitler would be shocked at the number of non-whites in Europe, and Stalin would be disturbed that Marxism-Leninism had failed (that’s not what was supposed to happen after all).
    Btw a few years ago there was some silly novel/movie “Er ist wieder da” (“He’s back again”) in which Hitler wakes up in Berlin in 2014…maybe something like this could be done about Hitler and Stalin…

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It should be a mismatched buddy comedy: Hitler and Stalin come back to life but nobody takes their claims to be Hitler and Stalin seriously, so they wind up down and out on the streets, where they team up, put aside their past grudges and work together to successfully do ... uh, something (Pull off a casino heist? Go into the social media business? Conquer Poland? Admittedly, I haven't worked this part out yet.)
  30. @German_reader
    Well, I suppose they both would be pretty unhappy if they came back...Hitler would be shocked at the number of non-whites in Europe, and Stalin would be disturbed that Marxism-Leninism had failed (that's not what was supposed to happen after all).
    Btw a few years ago there was some silly novel/movie "Er ist wieder da" ("He's back again") in which Hitler wakes up in Berlin in 2014...maybe something like this could be done about Hitler and Stalin...

    It should be a mismatched buddy comedy: Hitler and Stalin come back to life but nobody takes their claims to be Hitler and Stalin seriously, so they wind up down and out on the streets, where they team up, put aside their past grudges and work together to successfully do … uh, something (Pull off a casino heist? Go into the social media business? Conquer Poland? Admittedly, I haven’t worked this part out yet.)

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I'm thinking David Spade as Hitler but who as Stalin? Steve Buscemi? But Stalin was actually a good looking guy, after the smallpox scars were airbrushed, as that photo going around of the young Stalin's awesome hairstyle showed.
    , @J1234

    ....nobody takes their claims to be Hitler and Stalin seriously, so they wind up down and out on the streets, where they team up, put aside their past grudges and work together to successfully do … uh, something....
     
    Make it Hitler and Idi Amin and you could have the "yes, we're different races, but we're still best buddies" cop (or secret police) show formula.
    , @syonredux
    Hitler discovers the internet:



    ER IST WIEDER DA Teaser Trailer 1-5 English Subtitles (Constantin Film)


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtW1Lq5c04E
    , @Mr. Anon

    It should be a mismatched buddy comedy: Hitler and Stalin come back to life...
     
    How about Hitler and Stalin in a remake of The Odd Couple: Hitler as Felix (neurotic, fastidious), Stalin as Oscar (crude, earthy).
  31. @guest
    So long as we're throwing around insults about pig-ignorance, there's more than one kind of English accent, as you must know. Here in America we mainly recognize two:

    1). Posh Shakespearean Ah-ctor English, and

    2). Dick Van Dyke Cockney English.

    I’ve tried to listen to a few American produced audio-only Shakespeare plays and they all seem to speak like Frasier Crane. What is that, a Boston or New England accent? Do Americans need their Shakespeare spoken like that? Kind of like Chuck Yeager’s pilot accent?

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The stagey American mid-Atlantic accent was popular among actors and actresses like Katharine Hepburn. She actually was from an old money educated WASP family and was a great actress to boot so she was pretty close to perfect at it. But lots of actors and radio announcers and the like talked that way in 1935.

    Much of the otherwise curious impact of Marlon Brando after WWII was that he didn't much talk like that.

    It was a pretty high bandwidth accent. Some accents are simply better for communicating multisyllabic words like "portraiture" quickly than are others: e.g., William F. Buckley vs. Moses Malone.

  32. @Steve Sailer
    It should be a mismatched buddy comedy: Hitler and Stalin come back to life but nobody takes their claims to be Hitler and Stalin seriously, so they wind up down and out on the streets, where they team up, put aside their past grudges and work together to successfully do ... uh, something (Pull off a casino heist? Go into the social media business? Conquer Poland? Admittedly, I haven't worked this part out yet.)

    I’m thinking David Spade as Hitler but who as Stalin? Steve Buscemi? But Stalin was actually a good looking guy, after the smallpox scars were airbrushed, as that photo going around of the young Stalin’s awesome hairstyle showed.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    https://www.amazon.com/Young-Stalin-Simon-Sebag-Montefiore/dp/1400096138
    , @guest
    If Spade is Hitler, I guess Adam Sandler would be Stalin, because so far as I know David Spade only appears in Sandler movies. But that's stupid.

    Robert Duvall played a good Stalin in an HBO movie. I assume he still alive.

    I heard Depardieu was going to play him at some point.
  33. @TelfoedJohn
    I've tried to listen to a few American produced audio-only Shakespeare plays and they all seem to speak like Frasier Crane. What is that, a Boston or New England accent? Do Americans need their Shakespeare spoken like that? Kind of like Chuck Yeager's pilot accent?

    The stagey American mid-Atlantic accent was popular among actors and actresses like Katharine Hepburn. She actually was from an old money educated WASP family and was a great actress to boot so she was pretty close to perfect at it. But lots of actors and radio announcers and the like talked that way in 1935.

    Much of the otherwise curious impact of Marlon Brando after WWII was that he didn’t much talk like that.

    It was a pretty high bandwidth accent. Some accents are simply better for communicating multisyllabic words like “portraiture” quickly than are others: e.g., William F. Buckley vs. Moses Malone.

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    I'm sure British actors found it easier to adopt that accent too.
    , @Clark Westwood
    IN ZANA-DOO DID KOO-BLAH KAHN A STATELY PLEASHAH DOME DEH-CREE!
  34. Lot says:
    @whorefinder
    Great. The same people who gave us Veep, the show nobody watches and is all about pushing female VP andleftism, is doing this.

    2,000,0000 dollars says it glorifies communist policies and makes the West the bad guys.

    John Brennan, communist and ex-CIA chief, approves of that message.

    When you finally find that whore you’ve been searching for, inquire upon the price of stick removal.

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  35. J1234 says:
    @Steve Sailer
    It should be a mismatched buddy comedy: Hitler and Stalin come back to life but nobody takes their claims to be Hitler and Stalin seriously, so they wind up down and out on the streets, where they team up, put aside their past grudges and work together to successfully do ... uh, something (Pull off a casino heist? Go into the social media business? Conquer Poland? Admittedly, I haven't worked this part out yet.)

    ….nobody takes their claims to be Hitler and Stalin seriously, so they wind up down and out on the streets, where they team up, put aside their past grudges and work together to successfully do … uh, something….

    Make it Hitler and Idi Amin and you could have the “yes, we’re different races, but we’re still best buddies” cop (or secret police) show formula.

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  36. > (The above trailer’s language is NSFW.)
    Not to crimp your style, but do we need trigger warnings here? Shouldn’t we oppose, nay, expunge this on principle?

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  37. @J1234

    ....nobody takes their claims to be Hitler and Stalin seriously, so they wind up down and out on the streets, where they team up, put aside their past grudges and work together to successfully do … uh, something....
     
    Make it Hitler and Idi Amin and you could have the "yes, we're different races, but we're still best buddies" cop (or secret police) show formula.

    We’ll bring in Idi Amin and Pol Pot for the sequel.

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    • Replies: @oddsbodkins
    With lots of late 70s references and lots of splatter. Tarantino cameo.
  38. Lot says:
    @J1234

    Notice also last year, I think, they released at long last a movie about the Holodomor.
     
    Did that even get a theatrical release? I heard something about it, I think, but the media was silent. If it was a bad movie, maybe that was for the best.

    Anyway, the persecution that Dalton Trumbo had to face from McCarthyism must've been far worse than the slow deaths of those millions of peasants. So at least Hollywood has it's moral priorities straight.

    Try thepiratebay.org.

    Yesterday I watched ’71, a UK war/action/chase movie set in Belfast in 1971. Great movie, and hard to find these days when most action movies are aimed at Mexican and Chinese teenagers with comic book characters. Not a single butt kicking babe either.

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  39. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer
    It should be a mismatched buddy comedy: Hitler and Stalin come back to life but nobody takes their claims to be Hitler and Stalin seriously, so they wind up down and out on the streets, where they team up, put aside their past grudges and work together to successfully do ... uh, something (Pull off a casino heist? Go into the social media business? Conquer Poland? Admittedly, I haven't worked this part out yet.)

    Hitler discovers the internet:

    ER IST WIEDER DA Teaser Trailer 1-5 English Subtitles (Constantin Film)

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    • Replies: @Lot
    It is pretty funny. Like Ali G and Borat but with an apparently sincere Hitler.
  40. @guest
    It is accurate, for a certain class in D.C. But you have to read between the lines to get the true story,which you can get from a masterpiece like Yes, Minister. While those nakedly ambitious, self-absorbed incompetents play their little games, some group of people somewhere else are actually running things.

    Those people are also incompetent, self-absorbed, and nakedly ambitious. But they're not part of the reality tv show of politics.

    “Yes, Minister” was, indeed, a masterpiece.

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  41. Alden says:
    @YY
    Not really true, Steve. Other than Stalin, who really did have a strong accent, most Bolsheviks had perfectly normal Russian pronunciation. Lenin rolled his "r"s, which is an affectation used by people of aristocratic background; some people today incorrectly believe this to be some kind of a speech defect.

    Khrushchev was a crude and uneducated man, but there was nothing wrong with his pronunciation. Brezhnev is remembered as senile, which he was in the last years of his rule, when he could barely enunciate anything. However, he speech was fine, pronunciation-wise, before that. Chernenko, Andropov, Gorbachev did not speak with any particular accent or southern pronunciation.

    Yeltsin is also remembered for being a drunken old fool at the end of his rule, but there was nothing wrong with his accent. Also, he wasn't always a comical figure, by any means: in his youth, he had movie-star looks (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFmmV7mXYAEf1Q5.jpg) and was considered a very good speaker. He was a very popular politician in the 80s.

    As for Putin, while his pronunciation is - again - unremarkable, he comes from a low-class background (basically "from the streets"), and his manner of speaking often reflects that - all these quotes about drowning people in the toilet and so on.

    I thought Krushchev was a graduate of an engineering college?

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    >> I thought Krushchev was a graduate of an engineering college?

    Not a graduate of anything. He studied in a Church school, a very simple elementary school with two classes of education, which taught basic reading, writing, and counting. In the 1920s, he supposedly studied at the worker's faculty in Donetsk, but his biography doesn't give specific dates. The worker's faculties (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabfak) were meant to provide remedial school education for workers, so that they could enter colleges. Khrushchev did not enter a college at that time.

    In 1929-1931, he spent some time at the Industrial Academy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Academy_(Moscow) ), which was also a school-level institution, although officially a college. It doesn't seem as if Khrushchev did much studying there, since he was already an important party official by 1929, and was in fact in charge of the party organization of the Academy.

    By the way, this is not something in itself to be held against Khrushchev. He came from a very poor background, and WW1, revolution, and civil war left him little chance for continuing his education. That said, he was very rude and crude by all accounts, although certainly smart.
  42. Twinkie says:
    @guest
    It is accurate, for a certain class in D.C. But you have to read between the lines to get the true story,which you can get from a masterpiece like Yes, Minister. While those nakedly ambitious, self-absorbed incompetents play their little games, some group of people somewhere else are actually running things.

    Those people are also incompetent, self-absorbed, and nakedly ambitious. But they're not part of the reality tv show of politics.

    Deep state for the win!

    For that side of D.C., we have “Burn after Reading.” Also too painfully on the money.

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    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    This looks like "Burn After Reading" comes to the Politburo.

    Useful corrective to House of Cards.
  43. Mr. Anon says:
    @Steve Sailer
    It should be a mismatched buddy comedy: Hitler and Stalin come back to life but nobody takes their claims to be Hitler and Stalin seriously, so they wind up down and out on the streets, where they team up, put aside their past grudges and work together to successfully do ... uh, something (Pull off a casino heist? Go into the social media business? Conquer Poland? Admittedly, I haven't worked this part out yet.)

    It should be a mismatched buddy comedy: Hitler and Stalin come back to life…

    How about Hitler and Stalin in a remake of The Odd Couple: Hitler as Felix (neurotic, fastidious), Stalin as Oscar (crude, earthy).

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Yeah, Tony Randall as Hitler and Jack Klugman as Stalin.
  44. @Mr. Anon

    It should be a mismatched buddy comedy: Hitler and Stalin come back to life...
     
    How about Hitler and Stalin in a remake of The Odd Couple: Hitler as Felix (neurotic, fastidious), Stalin as Oscar (crude, earthy).

    Yeah, Tony Randall as Hitler and Jack Klugman as Stalin.

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  45. @Steve Sailer
    Stalin didn't much like having powers behind him where he couldn't keep his eyes on them.

    He preferred keeping them six feet under.

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  46. @Steve Sailer
    We'll bring in Idi Amin and Pol Pot for the sequel.

    With lots of late 70s references and lots of splatter. Tarantino cameo.

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  47. @Steve Sailer
    I'm thinking David Spade as Hitler but who as Stalin? Steve Buscemi? But Stalin was actually a good looking guy, after the smallpox scars were airbrushed, as that photo going around of the young Stalin's awesome hairstyle showed.
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  48. Lot says:
    @syonredux
    Hitler discovers the internet:



    ER IST WIEDER DA Teaser Trailer 1-5 English Subtitles (Constantin Film)


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtW1Lq5c04E

    It is pretty funny. Like Ali G and Borat but with an apparently sincere Hitler.

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  49. @Twinkie
    Deep state for the win!

    For that side of D.C., we have "Burn after Reading." Also too painfully on the money.

    This looks like “Burn After Reading” comes to the Politburo.

    Useful corrective to House of Cards.

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  50. snorlax says:
    @J1234

    Notice also last year, I think, they released at long last a movie about the Holodomor.
     
    Did that even get a theatrical release? I heard something about it, I think, but the media was silent. If it was a bad movie, maybe that was for the best.

    Anyway, the persecution that Dalton Trumbo had to face from McCarthyism must've been far worse than the slow deaths of those millions of peasants. So at least Hollywood has it's moral priorities straight.

    Anyway, the persecution that Dalton Trumbo had to face from McCarthyism must’ve been far worse than the slow deaths of those millions of peasants. So at least Hollywood has it’s moral priorities straight.

    https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=kkk
    66,000,000 results

    https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=communism

    38,000,000 results

    100,000,000 killed by Communism, so that’s 0.38 results per death.

    I think the number of murders attributed to the Klan (the modern iteration with the sheets and burning crosses, not the Reconstruction-era group) is in the 20-30 range. Call it 30 (2.2 million results per death).

    Or, to be fair, let’s accept the term’s popular usage referring to the entire phenomenon of lynchings of blacks, which was somewhere in the 2800-4000 range. Call it 4000 (16,500 RPD).

    Or, for argument’s sake, let’s be even more fair and add in everyone killed in the Civil War, so 1,000,000 or so total. 66 RPD.

    So, it’s somewhere between 174 and 5.8 million times more noteworthy when the KKK kills someone as when Communists do. Of course that’s before adjusting for recency.

    Bonus:

    https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=trump

    896,000,000 results

    https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jesus

    881,000,000 results

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  51. @Chiron
    The Jewish Lazar Kaganovich was the last of the Old Bolsheviks to die, he almost outlived the Soviet Union. Maybe he was the power behind Stalin.

    No. He was one of Stalin’s most important lieutenants, until he lost his influence a few years before his death, regained some of it after, and then was forced into retirement by Khrushchev for participating in the Politburo coup attempt against him.

    But he was no power behind Stalin.

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  52. Why are there so many white people in this movie? The USSR was an ethnically diverse, multicultural society. Where are the minorities, the people of color? There seems to be not a single black person in the trailer, perhaps not even in the whole movie. Why can’t they depict the diversity of the 1950s USSR?

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  53. guest says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I'm thinking David Spade as Hitler but who as Stalin? Steve Buscemi? But Stalin was actually a good looking guy, after the smallpox scars were airbrushed, as that photo going around of the young Stalin's awesome hairstyle showed.

    If Spade is Hitler, I guess Adam Sandler would be Stalin, because so far as I know David Spade only appears in Sandler movies. But that’s stupid.

    Robert Duvall played a good Stalin in an HBO movie. I assume he still alive.

    I heard Depardieu was going to play him at some point.

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  54. @Chiron
    The Jewish Lazar Kaganovich was the last of the Old Bolsheviks to die, he almost outlived the Soviet Union. Maybe he was the power behind Stalin.

    If Stalin suspected Kaganovich was trying to build a power base, he would have had Kaganovich liquidated in short order.

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  55. Mulegino1 says:

    Stalin was brutal and barbaric, but – in the end- his seizure of power was providential insofar as it ultimately led to the preservation of the Russian nation and traditional society. The ironically Georgian Stalin’s finest moments were the ice hooking of Jacob Schiff’s protege, Leon Trotsky, his restoration of the patriarchate and opening of the churches after the initiation of Operation Barbarossa in 1941, and his insistence upon the USSR’s retention of the veto in the UNSC. Without Stalin, the entire world would have fallen under the Atlanticist-Zionist hegemony.

    Stalin, with his mindless homicidal thoroughness, accomplished what the other guy- whose name must never be spoken without the predictable Pavlovian response of horror and revulsion – would have gladly accomplished in Europe through peace, diplomacy and example, if only he had been given the chance.

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  56. YY says:
    @Alden
    I thought Krushchev was a graduate of an engineering college?

    >> I thought Krushchev was a graduate of an engineering college?

    Not a graduate of anything. He studied in a Church school, a very simple elementary school with two classes of education, which taught basic reading, writing, and counting. In the 1920s, he supposedly studied at the worker’s faculty in Donetsk, but his biography doesn’t give specific dates. The worker’s faculties (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabfak) were meant to provide remedial school education for workers, so that they could enter colleges. Khrushchev did not enter a college at that time.

    In 1929-1931, he spent some time at the Industrial Academy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Academy_(Moscow) ), which was also a school-level institution, although officially a college. It doesn’t seem as if Khrushchev did much studying there, since he was already an important party official by 1929, and was in fact in charge of the party organization of the Academy.

    By the way, this is not something in itself to be held against Khrushchev. He came from a very poor background, and WW1, revolution, and civil war left him little chance for continuing his education. That said, he was very rude and crude by all accounts, although certainly smart.

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  57. Moshe says:
    @YY
    Not really true, Steve. Other than Stalin, who really did have a strong accent, most Bolsheviks had perfectly normal Russian pronunciation. Lenin rolled his "r"s, which is an affectation used by people of aristocratic background; some people today incorrectly believe this to be some kind of a speech defect.

    Khrushchev was a crude and uneducated man, but there was nothing wrong with his pronunciation. Brezhnev is remembered as senile, which he was in the last years of his rule, when he could barely enunciate anything. However, he speech was fine, pronunciation-wise, before that. Chernenko, Andropov, Gorbachev did not speak with any particular accent or southern pronunciation.

    Yeltsin is also remembered for being a drunken old fool at the end of his rule, but there was nothing wrong with his accent. Also, he wasn't always a comical figure, by any means: in his youth, he had movie-star looks (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFmmV7mXYAEf1Q5.jpg) and was considered a very good speaker. He was a very popular politician in the 80s.

    As for Putin, while his pronunciation is - again - unremarkable, he comes from a low-class background (basically "from the streets"), and his manner of speaking often reflects that - all these quotes about drowning people in the toilet and so on.

    “all these quotes about drowning people in the toilet and so on.”

    I literally laughed out loud!

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  58. Moshe says:
    @Steve Sailer
    A friend of mine had a small role on it this year.

    Did she dump Jonah when he was off the ticket?

    By the way, the ending where Elaine starts running for president by saying that she’s going to see all of the people of real America from the Palo Alto to Hollywood and from Wall Street to The Hamptons the writers are clearly mocking Hillary. I wonder how many other people caught that, it was hilarious

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    I agree with all the praise for Veep. It is very funny and remarkably unpolitical.
  59. Lurker says:
    @Jeremy Cooper
    Why do some of them speak English with an American accent and others do so with a British accent? I understand the movie is in English and we all just have to accept that, but I say find one accent and stick with it to avoid some of the cognitive dissonance.

    I would say it was a British film rather than an English one.

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  60. Lurker says:
    @Bill Jones
    What is a "British Accent"?
    That spoken by the Brit Sean Connerly?
    That spoken by the Brit Ruth Jones?
    That spoken by the Brit Ian Paisley?

    What you pig ignorant fuck-wits mean is an English Accent.

    I say, steady on old chap.

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  61. jim jones says:
    @EdwardM
    How about "all of the above"? Can there not be subsets of British accents from the point of view of the foreigner? Like I can recognize Welsh, Cockney, or Scottish; obviously a Brit would have a more nuanced understanding.

    Just like a Brit could basically discern southern American, Boston, and New York accents but still fairly call any of them "American."

    A chap stopped me recently near Kings Cross to ask for directions, I immediately recognised him as German because he had no accent. Every Brit has an accent.

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  62. Lurker says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The stagey American mid-Atlantic accent was popular among actors and actresses like Katharine Hepburn. She actually was from an old money educated WASP family and was a great actress to boot so she was pretty close to perfect at it. But lots of actors and radio announcers and the like talked that way in 1935.

    Much of the otherwise curious impact of Marlon Brando after WWII was that he didn't much talk like that.

    It was a pretty high bandwidth accent. Some accents are simply better for communicating multisyllabic words like "portraiture" quickly than are others: e.g., William F. Buckley vs. Moses Malone.

    I’m sure British actors found it easier to adopt that accent too.

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    • Replies: @guest
    They used to tend towards what was called the Mid- or Trans-Atlantic accent, which mixed standard American with standard English. Best exemplified by Cary Grant,who was born in Bristol and came to the U.S. when he was like 16.
  63. guest says:
    @Lurker
    I'm sure British actors found it easier to adopt that accent too.

    They used to tend towards what was called the Mid- or Trans-Atlantic accent, which mixed standard American with standard English. Best exemplified by Cary Grant,who was born in Bristol and came to the U.S. when he was like 16.

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  64. @Steve Sailer
    The stagey American mid-Atlantic accent was popular among actors and actresses like Katharine Hepburn. She actually was from an old money educated WASP family and was a great actress to boot so she was pretty close to perfect at it. But lots of actors and radio announcers and the like talked that way in 1935.

    Much of the otherwise curious impact of Marlon Brando after WWII was that he didn't much talk like that.

    It was a pretty high bandwidth accent. Some accents are simply better for communicating multisyllabic words like "portraiture" quickly than are others: e.g., William F. Buckley vs. Moses Malone.

    IN ZANA-DOO DID KOO-BLAH KAHN A STATELY PLEASHAH DOME DEH-CREE!

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  65. a reader says:
    @guest
    If Spade is Hitler, I guess Adam Sandler would be Stalin, because so far as I know David Spade only appears in Sandler movies. But that's stupid.

    Robert Duvall played a good Stalin in an HBO movie. I assume he still alive.

    I heard Depardieu was going to play him at some point.

    That was Le divan de Staline, Stalin’s Couch.

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  66. @Moshe
    Did she dump Jonah when he was off the ticket?

    By the way, the ending where Elaine starts running for president by saying that she's going to see all of the people of real America from the Palo Alto to Hollywood and from Wall Street to The Hamptons the writers are clearly mocking Hillary. I wonder how many other people caught that, it was hilarious

    I agree with all the praise for Veep. It is very funny and remarkably unpolitical.

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  67. Dmitry says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Did all Soviet insiders speak Russian with the same accent? The Bolsheviks were kind of a coalition of the fringes. Putin is supposedly the first Russian supremo to speak with an educated northwestern heartland accent since, I dunno, Kerensky?

    No, this is incorrect. There is very little accent variation in Russia. The main distinction is between pronunciation of the r sound in North and South. And then a few slight differences in Caucasus. But in general the accent is very highly standardised.

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  68. Bugg says:
    @guest
    So long as we're throwing around insults about pig-ignorance, there's more than one kind of English accent, as you must know. Here in America we mainly recognize two:

    1). Posh Shakespearean Ah-ctor English, and

    2). Dick Van Dyke Cockney English.

    Do you prefer New Jerseyan Peter Dinklage talking like one of Queen Elizabeth’s subjects on “Game of Thrones”?”GOT” showrunners(who like George Martin are American) appear to prefer a uniform accent too, spare a few of the far away kingdoms. And an English accent to the whole thing gives it a whiff of high class. The “Stalin” cast is not speaking Russian so their accents in English isn’t that important. Though if you put Michael Palin in anything reminds of “Monty Python”. The Soviet hierarchy, if absurd, was no Ministry of Silly Walks.

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    • Replies: @guest
    Dinklage sounds fine to me, but I'm no good at recognizing the authenticity of foreign accents. They include regional and class-based accents on Game of Thrones, by the way. The Stark family, for instance, is from the North and as such has a Northern accent. The actor who played the patriarch, Sean Bean, is I believe a Yorkshire lad. Maybe he was doing his real accent.

    Dinklage plays a high-class lord who hangs around the capital, and as such uses what I call Posh Shakespearean and they call Received Pronunciation, or RP. It works great for Shakespeare because it's crystal clear and you can ensure people hear every single word. It's also preferred by American actors, I bet, because it blends well with high-class Standard American. Hollywood loves to blend the two, as seen in the film's of two actors mentioned in this thread: Carry Grant and Katherine Hepburn.

    When doing regional American accents, I imagine English actors prefer upper-class Yankee, because that's closest to RP. Failing that, I've noticed they love playing Southrons, especially aristocrats. Flat, Middle-American accents have got to be the most difficult, because there's nowhere to hide. Plenty are decent at it, but not many could fool me. Hugh Laurie and Damien Lewis did.

    I have no idea whether Dinklage fools any Englishmen. Probably not, but I haven't heard them complain.
  69. @J1234

    ....nobody takes their claims to be Hitler and Stalin seriously, so they wind up down and out on the streets, where they team up, put aside their past grudges and work together to successfully do … uh, something....
     
    Make it Hitler and Idi Amin and you could have the "yes, we're different races, but we're still best buddies" cop (or secret police) show formula.
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  70. Mr. Anon says:
    @YY
    Not really true, Steve. Other than Stalin, who really did have a strong accent, most Bolsheviks had perfectly normal Russian pronunciation. Lenin rolled his "r"s, which is an affectation used by people of aristocratic background; some people today incorrectly believe this to be some kind of a speech defect.

    Khrushchev was a crude and uneducated man, but there was nothing wrong with his pronunciation. Brezhnev is remembered as senile, which he was in the last years of his rule, when he could barely enunciate anything. However, he speech was fine, pronunciation-wise, before that. Chernenko, Andropov, Gorbachev did not speak with any particular accent or southern pronunciation.

    Yeltsin is also remembered for being a drunken old fool at the end of his rule, but there was nothing wrong with his accent. Also, he wasn't always a comical figure, by any means: in his youth, he had movie-star looks (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFmmV7mXYAEf1Q5.jpg) and was considered a very good speaker. He was a very popular politician in the 80s.

    As for Putin, while his pronunciation is - again - unremarkable, he comes from a low-class background (basically "from the streets"), and his manner of speaking often reflects that - all these quotes about drowning people in the toilet and so on.

    As for Putin, while his pronunciation is – again – unremarkable, he comes from a low-class background (basically “from the streets”), and his manner of speaking often reflects that – all these quotes about drowning people in the toilet and so on.

    I would have assumed his crude manner of speaking reflects the fact that he was a KGB hood. I believe that Putin was more on the surveillance side of the business rather than the muscle-side of it, but that wouldn’t stop him from adopting the patois of his fellow thugs.

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  71. This looks to me like nothing more than an even cruder imitation of 1983′s already crude Red Monarch.
    Go ahead and google (or should I say bing) it, and you’ll see what I mean.

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  72. @Jeremy Cooper
    Why do some of them speak English with an American accent and others do so with a British accent? I understand the movie is in English and we all just have to accept that, but I say find one accent and stick with it to avoid some of the cognitive dissonance.

    “Why do some of them speak English with an American accent and others do so with a British accent?”

    Why did the captain in “The hunt for Red October” speak with a Scottish accent? It’s a comedy, not an accurate period piece. Just ignore it.

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    Funny thing about Red October: they took pains to justify the Russians speaking English. (At least until Americans boarded the ship.) In the beginning they speak Russian, then there's a scene where the political officer is in the captain's room reading his book--the Bible or something. The camera slowly zooms in on his mouth, then he starts speaking English as the camera zooms out.

    They could've just been speaking English from the get-go. No one would've cared.
  73. guest says:
    @Bugg
    Do you prefer New Jerseyan Peter Dinklage talking like one of Queen Elizabeth's subjects on "Game of Thrones"?"GOT" showrunners(who like George Martin are American) appear to prefer a uniform accent too, spare a few of the far away kingdoms. And an English accent to the whole thing gives it a whiff of high class. The "Stalin" cast is not speaking Russian so their accents in English isn't that important. Though if you put Michael Palin in anything reminds of "Monty Python". The Soviet hierarchy, if absurd, was no Ministry of Silly Walks.

    Dinklage sounds fine to me, but I’m no good at recognizing the authenticity of foreign accents. They include regional and class-based accents on Game of Thrones, by the way. The Stark family, for instance, is from the North and as such has a Northern accent. The actor who played the patriarch, Sean Bean, is I believe a Yorkshire lad. Maybe he was doing his real accent.

    Dinklage plays a high-class lord who hangs around the capital, and as such uses what I call Posh Shakespearean and they call Received Pronunciation, or RP. It works great for Shakespeare because it’s crystal clear and you can ensure people hear every single word. It’s also preferred by American actors, I bet, because it blends well with high-class Standard American. Hollywood loves to blend the two, as seen in the film’s of two actors mentioned in this thread: Carry Grant and Katherine Hepburn.

    When doing regional American accents, I imagine English actors prefer upper-class Yankee, because that’s closest to RP. Failing that, I’ve noticed they love playing Southrons, especially aristocrats. Flat, Middle-American accents have got to be the most difficult, because there’s nowhere to hide. Plenty are decent at it, but not many could fool me. Hugh Laurie and Damien Lewis did.

    I have no idea whether Dinklage fools any Englishmen. Probably not, but I haven’t heard them complain.

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  74. guest says:
    @Dave from Oz
    "Why do some of them speak English with an American accent and others do so with a British accent?"

    Why did the captain in "The hunt for Red October" speak with a Scottish accent? It's a comedy, not an accurate period piece. Just ignore it.

    Funny thing about Red October: they took pains to justify the Russians speaking English. (At least until Americans boarded the ship.) In the beginning they speak Russian, then there’s a scene where the political officer is in the captain’s room reading his book–the Bible or something. The camera slowly zooms in on his mouth, then he starts speaking English as the camera zooms out.

    They could’ve just been speaking English from the get-go. No one would’ve cared.

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  75. Romanian says: • Website
    @george
    Wow. Red is hot. Red is the new red.

    Comrade Detective - Season 1 Trailer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObfvbbByU0s

    I’ve seen this lol. So random. Came out of nowhere!

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  76. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Twinkie

    The same people who gave us Veep, the show nobody watches and is all about pushing female VP andleftism
     
    You clearly don't watch "Veep." It's the most accurate tv show about D.C., period. The combination of naked ambition and self-absorption and sheer, utter incompetence is just too painfully on the money for those who know the scene.

    You clearly don’t watch “Veep.”

    Nobody does, son. Less than 600,000 people watch that crap show: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/more-tv-news/2017-emmys-all-the-series-nominees-ranked-by-ratings/

    For reference, RuPaul’s Drag Race has more viewers. so lol.

    It’s the most accurate tv show about D.C., period. The combination of naked ambition and self-absorption and sheer, utter incompetence is just too painfully on the money for those who know the scene.

    Oh, so it’s big among the the Deep State/Inside the Beltway crowd that hate Trump and told us he could never win and want white America replaced?

    Yeah, thanks, that’s all the proof anyone needs it sucks.

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    So, in short, you haven't actually seen "Veep" but still have strong opinions on it?
  77. @whorefinder

    You clearly don’t watch “Veep.”
     
    Nobody does, son. Less than 600,000 people watch that crap show: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/more-tv-news/2017-emmys-all-the-series-nominees-ranked-by-ratings/

    For reference, RuPaul's Drag Race has more viewers. so lol.


    It’s the most accurate tv show about D.C., period. The combination of naked ambition and self-absorption and sheer, utter incompetence is just too painfully on the money for those who know the scene.
     

    Oh, so it's big among the the Deep State/Inside the Beltway crowd that hate Trump and told us he could never win and want white America replaced?

    Yeah, thanks, that's all the proof anyone needs it sucks.

    So, in short, you haven’t actually seen “Veep” but still have strong opinions on it?

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    I've never eaten a shit sandwich, but I'm pretty sure it sucks as well.

    Pretty strong circumstantial evidence of both sucking hard.
  78. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    So, in short, you haven't actually seen "Veep" but still have strong opinions on it?

    I’ve never eaten a shit sandwich, but I’m pretty sure it sucks as well.

    Pretty strong circumstantial evidence of both sucking hard.

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  79. @whorefinder
    I've never eaten a shit sandwich, but I'm pretty sure it sucks as well.

    Pretty strong circumstantial evidence of both sucking hard.

    So, like I guessed, you haven’t seen “Veep.”

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    • Replies: @whorefinder
    What's your point? It clearly sucks, as a shit sandwich does. Typical leftist empty nonsense, trying to be clever, a la "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend."
  80. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    So, like I guessed, you haven't seen "Veep."

    What’s your point? It clearly sucks, as a shit sandwich does. Typical leftist empty nonsense, trying to be clever, a la “Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.”

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    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Contrary to your uninformed claim that it pushes feminism and leftism, "Veep" actually has subversive humor about leftist and feminist politicians, including the main character, who (like Hillary) comes off as deeply unlikable, vain, greedy, ambitious, and "feminine" in all the negative ways. And the self-serving, pathetic sycophants who surround her is an indictment against the influence-seeking D.C. set.

    Just about everything on the show is on the money - painfully so. The first time I saw it with my wife, I told her I was laughing on the outside, but crying inside.

    It's fine if you don't care to see it, but don't opine on it when you haven't seen it. That's just idiotic.
  81. Twinkie says:
    @whorefinder
    What's your point? It clearly sucks, as a shit sandwich does. Typical leftist empty nonsense, trying to be clever, a la "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend."

    Contrary to your uninformed claim that it pushes feminism and leftism, “Veep” actually has subversive humor about leftist and feminist politicians, including the main character, who (like Hillary) comes off as deeply unlikable, vain, greedy, ambitious, and “feminine” in all the negative ways. And the self-serving, pathetic sycophants who surround her is an indictment against the influence-seeking D.C. set.

    Just about everything on the show is on the money – painfully so. The first time I saw it with my wife, I told her I was laughing on the outside, but crying inside.

    It’s fine if you don’t care to see it, but don’t opine on it when you haven’t seen it. That’s just idiotic.

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