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From the New York Times:

Sunday Times of London Fires Writer Over Article Called Anti-Semitic
By ED O’LOUGHLIN JULY 30, 2017

DUBLIN — The Sunday Times of London has fired the writer of an op-ed article denouncing the campaign by women of the British Broadcasting Corporation for equal pay after the column sparked widespread accusations that it was anti-Semitic and misogynistic.

The move came after the article, by Kevin Myers, an Irish journalist with a record of provocative right-wing statements, was pulled from its website and the editor of The Sunday Times and the editor of the paper’s Irish edition apologized for the column.

Framing his piece as an attack on the push to close the pay gap at the BBC, Mr. Myers wrote:

“I note that two of the best-paid women presenters in the BBC — Claudia Winkelman and Vanessa Feltz, with whose, no doubt, sterling work I am tragically unacquainted — are Jewish. Good for them. Jews are not generally noted for their insistence on selling their talent for the lowest possible price, which is the most useful measure there is of inveterate, lost-with-all-hands stupidity. I wonder, who are their agents? If they’re the same ones that negotiated the pay for the women on the lower scales, then maybe the latter have found their true value in their marketplace.”

Speaking of negotiating:

Elsewhere he wrote:

“Only one woman is among the top 10 best-paid BBC presenters. Now, why is this? Is it because men are more charismatic performers? Because they work harder? Because they are more driven? Possibly a bit of each. The human resources department — what used to be called “personnel” until people come to be considered as a metabolising, respiring form of mineral ore — will probably tell you that men usually work harder, get sick less frequently and seldom get pregnant.”

From the BBC:

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It was taken down following anger on social media and a formal complaint from the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism to press regulator Ipso.

The campaign said the removal of the article and apology from editors within hours was “proof that the decision to include the column was irrefutably wrong”.

The group – which had earlier called for Mr Myers’ sacking – also said he should “no longer work as a journalist at any decent publication”.

This is reminiscent of when Gregg Easterbrook was fired by ESPN from his NFL column for one sentence in his blog in Marty Peretz’s The New Republic. I wrote in 2003:

The New Republic’s Gregg Easterbrook famously denounced this Disney-Miramax production [Quentin Tarantino's "Kill Bill Vol. I"] for excessive violence, noting, “Recent European history alone ought to cause Jewish executives to experience second thoughts about glorifying the killing of the helpless as a fun lifestyle choice.”

Easterbrook was widely excoriated both for terminal unhipness and for supposedly resurrecting the myth that Jews control the media. Disney supremo Michael Eisner, however, did control Easterbrook’s other employer, ESPN, which immediately fired him. Most commentators opined that Easterbrook had it coming.

All I can say is that if Walt Disney were alive today, he’d be spinning in his cryogenic preservation chamber.

Easterbrook got his gig back 2 or 3 years later when Eisner was pushed out at Disney.

Similarly, CNN announcer Rick Sanchez had his career trashed in 2011 for not agreeing that John Stewart was also an oppressed fellow minority in the media industry.

A minor sidenote on the Easterbrook firing is that the man is not unconnected. He’s tied into the Kinsley Coterie of talented opinion journalists who emerged in the 1980s. And his brother Frank Easterbrook is one of the three or four best known federal judges not on the Supreme Court. Judge Easterbrook is one of the most influential corporate law experts in the country, so it would seem kind of nuts to me for a giant corporation to screw over the Judge’s little brother.

And yet Gregg Easterbrook got fired for one sentence. If half of Easterbrook’s income could be taken away for this, what can be done to somebody less connected pour encourager les autres?

 
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  1. guest says:

    We have a term for this grievous crime, I think: Naming the Jew.

    I propose we call it Rumpelstiltskinning.

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  2. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    In 2009, he wrote a column for The Belfast Telegraph … “There was no Holocaust, and six million Jews were not murdered by the Third Reich.” The article accepted that there had been a deliberate mass genocide against the Jews of Europe, but said that the term “holocaust” was inaccurate and that the exact number of dead could not be known.

    … In 2005, Mr. Myers was widely criticized for a column in The Irish Times in which he referred to the children of single parents as “bastards.” Writing about foreign aid to Africa in The Irish Independent in 2008, he said that in contrast, “Africa, with its vast savannahs and its lush pastures, is giving almost nothing to anyone, apart from AIDS.”

    But to peddle the existence of a stereotype about Jews, that they drive hard bargains? No, sir, that is crossing the line.

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    Anonymous:

    As you've chronicled, over the course of his career Myers has written many spot-on things (at least according to me and I would expect many members of the UR universe).

    While Myers was born in England to Irish immigrant parents, he was educated in Ireland and his whole career has essentially been in Irish journalism. My beef with him is that he has almost always been an almost groveling British apologist for British interests with regard to Ireland. Somehow the native Irish let him get away with this nonsense which is a characteristic defect of the Irish psyche.

    As being reported here, other groups are nowhere as forgiving for slights either real, or in this case imagined!

    , @George
    "peddle the existence of a stereotype about Jews, that they drive hard bargains?"

    He says "Claudia Winkelman and Vanessa Feltz, with whose, no doubt, sterling work I am tragically unacquainted — are Jewish."

    Does that imply their higher pay is from hard bargaining or nepotism?
    , @PV van der Byl
    I agree this is the oddest aspect of the Kevin Myers case. Either no one noticed his 2009 article (seems unlikely) or no one cared.

    So, he can be published in 2009 writing that there was no holocaust; and that article remained online until this past weekend when a furor erupted over the mention of two Jewish women in an article on whether women, in general, should be paid as much as men in broadcasting.
    , @Lurker
    I think his crime was not the hard bargaining bit but the "Jews are not noted". He drew attention to them as a group. A group who cannot possibly exist or be 'noted'.
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  3. Talk of negotiating skills reminded me of this speech.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    As the Miami Dolphins ex-Jonathan Martin said of Richie Incognito, "He's honorary".
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  4. Peterike says:

    They should replace Kevin Myers with the Irish Savant.

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  5. Michael Eisner was replaced by another Jew, Bob Iger. Jews not only control the media, they also control academia, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, Capitol Hill via the Democratic party and the legions of lobbying firms in the DC area, and of course, Hollywood. In our local elections in the Northwest, it’s amazing how many Jews are running for office, if they are not Jews they are East Indians, all of whom are left wing nuts. This country is basically run by 2% of Jews, with East Indians now in a hurry to catch up and ride on their coat tails.

    Jews are relentlessly forcing globalization on all western countries because 1) they are exacting their 2000 year revenge on WASPs by wrecking the world order established by WASPs, 2) more non-whites will make them more white in comparison, in an all white world, they are at the bottom of the totem pole and 3) they want everyone to feel like an outsider, as they have felt living outside Israel for the past 2000 years. Jews are driven by ambition, revenge, greed and hunger for power, all shrouded in a thick layer of hypocrisy under the disguise of political correctness, which they impose on everyone else through their control of the media, while protecting themselves with cries of antisemitism at any hint of criticism. In their mind they have been screwed over by gentiles for 2000 years so they see nothing wrong in screwing everyone else over to get what they want, it’s their turn, they’ve been waiting for this for 2000 years, no one else has the right to criticize them because of what they went through, regardless of what they do. They are preaching the same identity politics and victimhood claptrap to blacks and muslims.

    Karma’s a biatch though. BLM are now seeing Bernie Sanders and his supporters as “White Supremacist Liberals” not much better than the KKK, while the Muslim horde they have been welcoming in with open arms will eventually bring about the next round of persecution of Jews. Jewish liberals are in absolute denial about the incompatibility of Islam with their liberal ideals of gender equality, homosexuality, drug, alcohol and sexual freedom. This time there will be no more WASPs around to save them.

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    • Replies: @Mark Caplan
    By not giving credit to powerful gentiles, you're telling only half the story. Your rogues' gallery needs to include Angela Merkel, Tony Blair, George W. Bush, ¡Jeb!, Hillary, the Somali-hugging Lutheran Social Services of Minnesota, all the other mainstream non-Evangelical Protestant denominations, and of course the Roman Catholic Church. It'd be a stretch to believe the Jews somehow hypnotized all those open-borders, goyishe-kop nitwits to embrace a suicidal immigration policy against their will.
    , @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    You forgot to mention the 7th Ave (Fashion Industry), Madison Avenue (Advertising) and the Midtown (Publishing)... if I can think of anything else to buttress your jeremiads, I will post it ASAP!
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  6. @Clifford Brown
    Talk of negotiating skills reminded me of this speech.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4_Y3YIN43c

    Thanks.

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  7. Jon Stewart (not his real name) was brought up in Lawrenceville NJ, an upscale town snuggled up to that notorious ghetto, Princeton NJ. He likes to allude to his traumatic youthful experience of antisemitism. Hillarious. Despite being raised at the epicenter of North American Educational attainment, he never got a degree of any kind. Maybe it was all that antisemitism?

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Stewart graduated from William and Mary, where he played on the soccer team.
    , @oddsbodkins
    You are criticizing Jon Stewart for realizing that he didn't need a college degree to be a professional comedian.
    , @Bugg
    Jonathan Lebowitz doesn't roll off the tongue. Having an obviously ethnic Jewish name hasn't slowed down Jerry Seinfeld nor Larry David.
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  8. The funny thing is, Myers’ comments could be regarded as complimentary…

    …but that’s what happens when you — er — notice things.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    In PC thinking, positive stereotypes ("blacks are good dancers") are equally off-limits because it's impermissible to generalize about things that PC types don't want you to generalize about (it's OK to generalize about white men and how bad and privileged they are, but that' about it). Race doesn't even exist so how is it possible to make generalizations about the races?
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  9. I note that two of the best-paid women presenters in the BBC — Claudia Winkelman and Vanessa Feltz, with whose, no doubt, sterling work I am tragically unacquainted — are Jewish. Good for them. Jews are not generally noted for their insistence on selling their talent for the lowest possible price, which is the most useful measure there is of inveterate, lost-with-all-hands stupidity.

    Argh, this is just so frustrating. If you’re going to lose your job over a spot of “anti-semitism,” at least let it be for delivering some Kmac-style home truths. But to lose it over some dumb innuendo is worse than a crime, and worse than a mistake too – you might call it lost-with-all-hands stupidity.

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  10. Dan Hayes says:
    @Anonymous

    In 2009, he wrote a column for The Belfast Telegraph ... “There was no Holocaust, and six million Jews were not murdered by the Third Reich.” The article accepted that there had been a deliberate mass genocide against the Jews of Europe, but said that the term “holocaust” was inaccurate and that the exact number of dead could not be known.

    ... In 2005, Mr. Myers was widely criticized for a column in The Irish Times in which he referred to the children of single parents as “bastards.” Writing about foreign aid to Africa in The Irish Independent in 2008, he said that in contrast, “Africa, with its vast savannahs and its lush pastures, is giving almost nothing to anyone, apart from AIDS.”
     
    But to peddle the existence of a stereotype about Jews, that they drive hard bargains? No, sir, that is crossing the line.

    Anonymous:

    As you’ve chronicled, over the course of his career Myers has written many spot-on things (at least according to me and I would expect many members of the UR universe).

    While Myers was born in England to Irish immigrant parents, he was educated in Ireland and his whole career has essentially been in Irish journalism. My beef with him is that he has almost always been an almost groveling British apologist for British interests with regard to Ireland. Somehow the native Irish let him get away with this nonsense which is a characteristic defect of the Irish psyche.

    As being reported here, other groups are nowhere as forgiving for slights either real, or in this case imagined!

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    • Replies: @Matra
    My beef with him is that he has almost always been an almost groveling British apologist for British interests with regard to Ireland.

    "British interests" sounds scary but in reality what you mean is that Myers sees the Protestants as human beings with agency and, yes, interests, rather than Sinn Fein caricatures.
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  11. Simon says:

    Seems to me Easterbrook said nothing wrong, and it was idiotic to punish him. But this guy Myers deserved to be fired for sheer bad writing. I’m still not sure what the hell he was trying to say.

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    • Replies: @The Z Blog
    Modern Irish seem to be much better speakers than writers. I find modern Irish writing, the sort in the press, to be pointlessly effusive. There's a foaming at the mouth vibe to it. Americans like plain talk and hate phonies, so the English and Irish can strike us a bit false, but Irish writing today is turgid.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    If you fired people for bad writing there'd be a lot of white spaces (or blank pixels) in most news outlets.

    Myers' piece on Live Aid and foreign aid back in the day was excellent. But he's found out that, just as only black people can say the n-word, only Jewish people can notice that they're no fools with money.

    http://www.nairaland.com/356768/irish-independant-africa-giving-nothing


    "My conscience has toured this territory on foot and financially. Unlike most of you, I have been to Ethiopia; like most of you, I have stumped up the loot to charities to stop starvation there. The wide-eyed boy-child we saved, 20 years or so ago, is now a priapic, Kalashnikov-bearing hearty, siring children whenever the whim takes him.

    There is, no doubt a good argument why we should prolong this predatory and dysfunctional economic, social and sexual system; but I do not know what it is. There is, on the other hand, every reason not to write a column like this.

    It will win no friends, and will provoke the self-righteous wrath of, well, the self-righteous, letter-writing wrathful... So be it.

    But, please, please, you self-righteously wrathful, spare me mention of our own Famine, with this or that lazy analogy. There is no comparison. Within 20 years of the Famine, the Irish population was down by 30pc. Over the equivalent period, thanks to western food, the Mercedes 10-wheel truck and the Lockheed Hercules, Ethiopia's has more than doubled."
     

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  12. eah says:

    Godfrey Elfwick (since resurrected) was perhaps the first victim of the BBC pay revelations.

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  13. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Thomas O. Meehan
    Jon Stewart (not his real name) was brought up in Lawrenceville NJ, an upscale town snuggled up to that notorious ghetto, Princeton NJ. He likes to allude to his traumatic youthful experience of antisemitism. Hillarious. Despite being raised at the epicenter of North American Educational attainment, he never got a degree of any kind. Maybe it was all that antisemitism?

    Stewart graduated from William and Mary, where he played on the soccer team.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Thomas O. Meehan may share Steely Dan's view on this: "Oh no -- William and Marry won't do!"
    https://youtu.be/YDAFsFeskKE?t=35s
    , @Autochthon
    According to Kennedy Montgomery, he always came around the MTV Beach House to mooch food and such, even when he had no reason to be there and wasn't being filmed or broadcast that day. Classic Jewish behaviour.
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  14. The Z Blog says: • Website
    @Simon
    Seems to me Easterbrook said nothing wrong, and it was idiotic to punish him. But this guy Myers deserved to be fired for sheer bad writing. I'm still not sure what the hell he was trying to say.

    Modern Irish seem to be much better speakers than writers. I find modern Irish writing, the sort in the press, to be pointlessly effusive. There’s a foaming at the mouth vibe to it. Americans like plain talk and hate phonies, so the English and Irish can strike us a bit false, but Irish writing today is turgid.

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    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    I agree with your critique of Kevin Myers writing style but is your assertion that "Americans like plain talk and hate phonies" really true? True, Americans like phonies who affect plain talk but that's as far as it goes. Do Americans hate phonies? Phonies are American folk heroes. Americans adore people who invent a public persona for themselves and insist everyone play along with it. Constructing elaborate personae is the last great American pass-time. Americans hate phonies as much as Brazilians hate soccer players.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Ha ha you said "turgid."
    , @fitzGetty
    ... the magnificent Colm Toibin is anything but turgid ...
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  15. Yada yada says:

    How dare he not recognize the deity called the Jews. They can destroy people’s lives yet they allegedly have no power. It is to laugh. They are the most haughty, nastiest and vengeful people on earth. To top it off they turn the second Person of the Trinity over to be crucified. I know, it’s the crime that shall not be named, right? They are special chosen people, better than us obviously.

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  16. JRL says:

    Has anyone found this now-deleted Myers column on the pay gap posted online anywhere?

    “Africa is giving nothing to anyone – apart from AIDS” was also removed years ago after a complaint to the Irish police, but it stayed up much longer than the 10 hours it took to get the pay gap column removed.

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    • Replies: @the cruncher
    No - independent.ie's robots.txt doesn't allow archiving (this eliminates archive.org), archive.is which is manual (a user has to instigate it) doesn't have it either. Neither does Google cache (when did they stop caching pages?).

    The closest I found:

    http://archive.is/http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers*

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  17. BozoB says:

    I suspect that “fires” is not the right word, that is, that he was on contract to write and not an employee. But that doesn’t change the essence of the action.

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  18. George says:
    @Anonymous

    In 2009, he wrote a column for The Belfast Telegraph ... “There was no Holocaust, and six million Jews were not murdered by the Third Reich.” The article accepted that there had been a deliberate mass genocide against the Jews of Europe, but said that the term “holocaust” was inaccurate and that the exact number of dead could not be known.

    ... In 2005, Mr. Myers was widely criticized for a column in The Irish Times in which he referred to the children of single parents as “bastards.” Writing about foreign aid to Africa in The Irish Independent in 2008, he said that in contrast, “Africa, with its vast savannahs and its lush pastures, is giving almost nothing to anyone, apart from AIDS.”
     
    But to peddle the existence of a stereotype about Jews, that they drive hard bargains? No, sir, that is crossing the line.

    “peddle the existence of a stereotype about Jews, that they drive hard bargains?”

    He says “Claudia Winkelman and Vanessa Feltz, with whose, no doubt, sterling work I am tragically unacquainted — are Jewish.”

    Does that imply their higher pay is from hard bargaining or nepotism?

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    • Replies: @Colleen Pater
    Well thats the jewish question isn't it, are jews working as a group for jewish interests consciously or unconsciously, and are those interests counter to our interests. For thousands of years they have eschewed buolding their own nations in favor of living in other while managing to not assimilate yet always end up with disproportionate power and wealth making them an unassimilated alien part of the ruling elite of nations throughout the world and time. A ruling elite with interests of their own not of their co nationals. Eventually this becomes intolerable and they are asked to leave, expelled, or murdered.And they despite their high intelligence they never seem to figure out what it is that causes this animosity and instead claim its just this mysterious hatred everyone in the world has for them. dominant economic minorities are not an exclusively jewish phenomenon and they whatever their race end up having the same fate. Jews however tend to amplify the problem by not being satisfied with economic dominance and using their talents to gain political cultural power in hopes of forestalling their tenure.This cultural destruction seems to engender particularly bitter reprisals eventually
    , @Jack D
    If you read the whole paragraph, it's clear that he is talking about hard bargaining and not nepotism.

    Here is his logical argument, which is sorta weak I think, even aside from the reliance on stereotypes:

    1. W and F are Jewish.
    2. Jews are noted for their hard bargaining and are no doubt represented by the best, most hard bargaining talent agents.
    3. Other lesser paid female reporters are no doubt represented by these same agents who drive equally hard bargains and achieve the best possible results on their behalf .
    4. Therefore, these lesser paid females are already being paid a market rate and their lower pay is a reflection of their actual value and not a result of gender discrimination.

    The weakness, aside from the stereotypes, is in "no doubt" qualifications - he is assuming facts not in evidence. Maybe the nice goyish lady reporters are too reticent or too anti-Semitic to hire hard driving (Jewish) talent agents. Their bosses offer them 70 cents on the dollar (70 pence on the pound) because they hate women/ think they can get away with it and they take it because they are too nice to bargain. If Jews are noted for their hard bargaining then non-Jews must be noted for their not-hard bargaining, I guess.

    Bringing Jews into the thing was really unnecessary. Points #1 and 2 could have been that W and F are top paid and no doubt represented by the best agents without bringing their ethnicity into it at all. The mark of the anti-Semite is that he brings up Jewishness when it is not really germane to the subject at hand. Here we are talking about gender discrimination and suddenly he brings Joos into the argument for no particularly good reason.

    Regarding nepotism, you could conceivably argue (though he doesn't, because it would actually undermine the point he is trying to make) that the agents try harder for their coreligionists (assuming that the agents are also Jewish, which he doesn't state either) and this explains why they make more than other female reporters. It's at least as strong as the argument that he is trying to make.
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  19. @Thomas O. Meehan
    Jon Stewart (not his real name) was brought up in Lawrenceville NJ, an upscale town snuggled up to that notorious ghetto, Princeton NJ. He likes to allude to his traumatic youthful experience of antisemitism. Hillarious. Despite being raised at the epicenter of North American Educational attainment, he never got a degree of any kind. Maybe it was all that antisemitism?

    You are criticizing Jon Stewart for realizing that he didn’t need a college degree to be a professional comedian.

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    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    Stewart's success proves that you don't even need to be funny to be a professional comedian.
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  20. @Simon
    Seems to me Easterbrook said nothing wrong, and it was idiotic to punish him. But this guy Myers deserved to be fired for sheer bad writing. I'm still not sure what the hell he was trying to say.

    If you fired people for bad writing there’d be a lot of white spaces (or blank pixels) in most news outlets.

    Myers’ piece on Live Aid and foreign aid back in the day was excellent. But he’s found out that, just as only black people can say the n-word, only Jewish people can notice that they’re no fools with money.

    http://www.nairaland.com/356768/irish-independant-africa-giving-nothing

    “My conscience has toured this territory on foot and financially. Unlike most of you, I have been to Ethiopia; like most of you, I have stumped up the loot to charities to stop starvation there. The wide-eyed boy-child we saved, 20 years or so ago, is now a priapic, Kalashnikov-bearing hearty, siring children whenever the whim takes him.

    There is, no doubt a good argument why we should prolong this predatory and dysfunctional economic, social and sexual system; but I do not know what it is. There is, on the other hand, every reason not to write a column like this.

    It will win no friends, and will provoke the self-righteous wrath of, well, the self-righteous, letter-writing wrathful… So be it.

    But, please, please, you self-righteously wrathful, spare me mention of our own Famine, with this or that lazy analogy. There is no comparison. Within 20 years of the Famine, the Irish population was down by 30pc. Over the equivalent period, thanks to western food, the Mercedes 10-wheel truck and the Lockheed Hercules, Ethiopia’s has more than doubled.”

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  21. He is not the first Irishman to get in trouble for flippant remarks about Jewish people. Irish tenor Ronan Tynan got into controversy for a joke he made some years ago.

    http://gothamist.com/2009/10/16/anti-semitic_joke_costs_ronan_tynan.php

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  22. MEH 0910 says:

    Harlan Ellison – Pay the Writer

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Harlan Ellison was a big personality in Los Angeles when I was a kid. He was always ranting in the papers about something. An entertaining personality.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    That was a great documentary. Just listening to Ellison talk is entertaining.

    Re the subject of Myers' column, there was an interesting piece by a woman BBC "presenter" in the FT over the weekend. She mentioned the impact of Ariana Huffington on pundit's incomes.
    https://twitter.com/FTLifeArts/status/891217996735283200
    , @Truth
    Harlan Ellison and I share the same Alma Mater. He spoke at a few school events when I was a student. He is an incredibly, almost pointlessly, brilliant Dude. One of the 3 or 4 most intelligent men I have met.
    , @interesting
    The music business is even worse......it's pay to play everywhere now days. Live bands are as dead as fried chicken. That's why Grundge was the last gasp of a dying industry..........the artists don't get paid.
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  23. sabril says:

    His language is a bit flowery to decipher, but his position seems to be that

    (1) if men are paid more than women, it’s because men work harder and are more deserving;

    (2) if Jews are paid more than non-Jews, it’s because Jews are pushy and demanding.

    So it does seem that he is doing more than just “mentioning Jews,” it seems he is applying a double-standard and invalidating Jewish accomplishments, which is a pretty common trope among anti-Semites.

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    • Replies: @JSM
    Ah pffffft.


    He's saying, there's two possibilities why women get paid less: either they are not pushy enough to demand to be paid what they are worth OR they actually *deserve* less money because they are less productive.

    In this particular case, these women are not only women, but Jewesses, and since Jews can be counted on to push to be paid what they are worth, we can be sure they pushed for all the money they could get.

    So, if those Jewish women didn't get as much money as the men, it can't be because they didn't push for it. The only possible reason is because they, being women and therefore less productive, do, indeed, deserve less.

    , @CAL2
    I believe you're missing the point. He's saying that men get paid more because they tend to work harder, be better negotiators, and take less time off. With the Jewish women he mentioned, I believe his point is that they were better negotiators. Now have you ever had to negotiate with Jews? I have and the stereotype tends to be true.
    , @Bill B.
    The whole scandal of 'underpaid' presenter women at the BBC is nonsense. These people are paid as stars. Their salaries are not like those of factory workers or doctors.

    The men are paid more because the BBC thinks they have greater star quality.

    That might be debatable but the same goes for Hollywood and a lot of sport.

    I think Myers was trying to say this.
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  24. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Clifford Brown
    Talk of negotiating skills reminded me of this speech.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4_Y3YIN43c

    As the Miami Dolphins ex-Jonathan Martin said of Richie Incognito, “He’s honorary”.

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    So close. Martin never said that, the quote was anonymous.

    https://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2013/11/06/richie-incognito-honorary-black-man-miami-dolphins-jonathan-martin

    As many Dolphins said, Incognito was considered "more black" than the biracial Martin because "of who he was, what he had seen and the way he carried himself." I'd imagine being called an honorary black guy by a bunch of tough football players has to be one of the greatest compliments in that (and our!) world, yet this guy was the bad guy in the story, not the good guy. It was clear Martin was talented but not mentally tough enough for the sport and Coach Philbin had asked Richie to "toughen" him up, much like the way a platoon sergeant would ask a squad leader to "prepare" someone just out of basic training to the rigors of a new unit.

    This story was so interesting and the media f**king blew it again, no surprise. The main narrative of "racist white guy picking on black guy" was totally and incredibly incorrect.
    , @Brutusale
    Incognito is too articulate to be even just honorary.
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  25. @MEH 0910
    Harlan Ellison - Pay the Writer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuLr9HG2ASs

    Harlan Ellison was a big personality in Los Angeles when I was a kid. He was always ranting in the papers about something. An entertaining personality.

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  27. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Stewart graduated from William and Mary, where he played on the soccer team.

    Thomas O. Meehan may share Steely Dan’s view on this: “Oh no — William and Marry won’t do!”

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    You beat me to it.
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  28. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @MEH 0910
    Harlan Ellison - Pay the Writer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuLr9HG2ASs

    That was a great documentary. Just listening to Ellison talk is entertaining.

    Re the subject of Myers’ column, there was an interesting piece by a woman BBC “presenter” in the FT over the weekend. She mentioned the impact of Ariana Huffington on pundit’s incomes.

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    An excerpt from it:
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/891582464526876672
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  29. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen
    That was a great documentary. Just listening to Ellison talk is entertaining.

    Re the subject of Myers' column, there was an interesting piece by a woman BBC "presenter" in the FT over the weekend. She mentioned the impact of Ariana Huffington on pundit's incomes.
    https://twitter.com/FTLifeArts/status/891217996735283200

    An excerpt from it:

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  30. anon says: • Disclaimer

    I’m sad that ((( Michael Eisner))) is still kicking. He had a hand in the death of John Belushi.
    See https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/264827.Wired

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    May be had a hand in Phil Hartman's demise as well. Cannot find a video link, but basic idea, Hartman in an SNL skit with ice skater Nancy Kerrigan going to Disney World after the Olympics has Hartman/Eisner merchandising her like pastrami at Katz's Deli-

    https://www.google.com/search?q=snl+phil+hartman+michael+eisner+nancy+kerrigan&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS623US640&oq=snl+phil+hartman+michael+eisner+nancy+kerrigan&aqs=chrome..69i57.20415j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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  31. Karl says:

    next, iSteve will be telling us that there are LOTS of shiksas who can write and deliver Borscht-belt quality stand-up.

    Negros dominate the NBA ===for a reason===

    mixed white guys dominate NASCAR ===for a reason===

    Hebrews dominate media ===for a reason=== And they appear to prefer to fight back against getting called on it, so that they don’t end up where Swedish men have ended up

    god-damn iSteve, what is this…. your first rodeo?

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    Hebrews dominate media ===for a reason===

    Ethnic nepotism and the political uniformity demanded by media owners?
    , @guest
    "So they don't end up where Swedish men have ended up."

    That's what Israel is for. I feel sorry for Swedes, but I wouldn't if they infiltrated Norway, took over its media culture, and damned to hell any Norbagges who dared to identify them.
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  32. jack ryan says: • Website

    Am I right in thinking that Ted Turner was the last “American” non Jewish TV Network owner? Murdoch qualifies as an Australian Gentile, though I think his children now purging Fox News are at least half Jewish.

    The Change at CNN when Ted Turner sold out to Gerald Levin’s Time Warner Inc – I liked this change to about the same as the change from Czarist Russia to Jewish Bolshevism.

    Oh dear.

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    Murdoch is a jew with a sense of humor.

    Speaking about his support for a Yes vote in the Scottish Independence Referendum, he said,
    ''I'm half Scottish, on my father's side.''
    , @Triumph104
    Robert Johnson of BET is not Jewish. Johnson was a majority stakeholder in BET when the network was sold to Viacom in 2001. Turner Broadcasting was sold Time Warner in 1996.
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  33. jack ryan says: • Website

    Karl I think Hebrews dominate the “American” media for a reason, the same reason Italian Americans dominated the highest levels of organized crime from the 1920s – 1970s.

    It’s an ethnic mafia that strongly excludes people not in this ethnic/tribe.

    Ted Turner married Hanoi Jane Fonda, adopted near perfect Left Coast Lib politics, merged CNN Turner Broadcasting with Time Warner Inc headed by Gerald Levin….

    Ted Turner was not accepted in to this West Coast, Hollywood Jewish Media Mafia and Ted Turner was practically never heard from again.

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    If Italians dominated organised crime why was Meyer Lansky the chairman of the board? Bugsy Siegel, Moe Dalitz, Mickey Cohen, Jack Ruby, Murder Inc., Arnold Rothstein, the Purple Gang etc.
    , @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    Talk about Jews and Gentiles... Steve Case, the Hawaii born WASP flimflamed Gerald Levin, the New York Jew (domiciled) into merging worthless AOL with valuable Time Warner... who says sweet talking Christians can't take gullible Jews to the cleaners?
    , @utu
    Ted Turner was outplayed. He did not know what hit him when he lost control of CNN. I am sure the operation was well planned and well prepared to eliminate him from media. Media is too important to be left in hands of a guy who had independent ideas about USSR, Cuba and many other things. No mavericks are allowed to be in charge of media.
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  35. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @The Z Blog
    Modern Irish seem to be much better speakers than writers. I find modern Irish writing, the sort in the press, to be pointlessly effusive. There's a foaming at the mouth vibe to it. Americans like plain talk and hate phonies, so the English and Irish can strike us a bit false, but Irish writing today is turgid.

    I agree with your critique of Kevin Myers writing style but is your assertion that “Americans like plain talk and hate phonies” really true? True, Americans like phonies who affect plain talk but that’s as far as it goes. Do Americans hate phonies? Phonies are American folk heroes. Americans adore people who invent a public persona for themselves and insist everyone play along with it. Constructing elaborate personae is the last great American pass-time. Americans hate phonies as much as Brazilians hate soccer players.

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    As I've said before, much 20th century literature and theater, from Elmer Gantry to the lighthearted fare of The Music Man, was filled the theme of the willingness for the American public to resonate to blatant phoniness.
    , @The Z Blog
    That's a good point, but the utility of generalities is that they don't get too bogged down in minutiae. In the main, Americans assume that overly affected people are phonies or lack authenticity. On the other hand, a guy doing the good old boy routine can be a gold-plated phony.

    I think the real difference is that the English and Irish think the worst possible sin is to be seen as boring. They have an array of stock characters who are mostly just dull people. If you are going to overshoot the mark as a public figure in Britain or Ireland, it is better to be a flamboyant fop than an overly serious bore. In America, it is the opposite.

    Unless you are an hysterical homosexual like Milo, which sort of proves the point.
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  36. BB753 says:

    Ron Unz should hire Kevin Myers to write columns. What’s the pay like here, Steve?

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  37. Here’s an Irish lefty response to this:

    http://littleatoms.com/blog/padraig-reidy/kevin-myers-and-pub-bore-journalism

    If anyone has experienced the furious ranting of a young Irish lefty in a Dublin pub, you will find this richly ironic. The sheer anger with which the world is put to right in tones of pure hatred is something to behold.*

    All the while as this particular paradox exists (and highlighted by the above linked piece):

    “And he’ll probably “point out” that it’s ironic that those in Irish society decrying his “supposed anti-Semitism” have never had a good word to say about the state of Israel.”

    Such is the anti-Israel strain baked into Irish left wing politics, the Celtic football club in Glasgow (it’s a long story) have taken it upon themselves to be markedly pro-Palestinian, a fact trolled gleefully by Tommy Robinson in Sunderland in the weekend:

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/watch-celtic-fans-throw-flares-10897058

    * see millionaire justice warriors Sir Bono and Sir Geldolf for elderly versions of said archetype.

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  38. dearieme says:

    Perhaps being pushy is a kinder explanation than the usual one offered to explain successful women in showbiz.

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  39. LondonBob says:

    Pretty remarkable as neither Feltz nor Winkelman are prominent or high performers in what they do.

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    Gasp. Are you saying they are merely mediocre, or they are mediocre Jews?
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  40. Judge Easterbrook is one of the most influential corporate law experts in the country, so it would seem kind of nuts to me for a giant corporation to screw over the Judge’s little brother.

    It’s not nuts because his brother is Frank Easterbrook. We’re talking about Frank Effing Easterbrook here, not some tin horn Irish or Italian seat-warmer in New Jersey.

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  41. anarchyst says:

    One can call a “jew” a scoundrel, liar, shyster, criminal, or other derogatory term and it will roll off the jew’s back like “water on a duck”, but call a jew a “jew”, and he will recoil in horror, having been “found out”.

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  42. dcthrowback says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen
    As the Miami Dolphins ex-Jonathan Martin said of Richie Incognito, "He's honorary".

    So close. Martin never said that, the quote was anonymous.

    https://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2013/11/06/richie-incognito-honorary-black-man-miami-dolphins-jonathan-martin

    As many Dolphins said, Incognito was considered “more black” than the biracial Martin because “of who he was, what he had seen and the way he carried himself.” I’d imagine being called an honorary black guy by a bunch of tough football players has to be one of the greatest compliments in that (and our!) world, yet this guy was the bad guy in the story, not the good guy. It was clear Martin was talented but not mentally tough enough for the sport and Coach Philbin had asked Richie to “toughen” him up, much like the way a platoon sergeant would ask a squad leader to “prepare” someone just out of basic training to the rigors of a new unit.

    This story was so interesting and the media f**king blew it again, no surprise. The main narrative of “racist white guy picking on black guy” was totally and incredibly incorrect.

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    So close. Martin never said that, the quote was anonymous.
     
    I know Martin didn't say that -- he was the one allegedly bullied by Incognito. "Miami Dolphins ex-Jonathan Martin" = "Miami Dolphins excluding Jonathan Martin".
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    That was indeed an interesting story. I wrote some thoughts on it here:

    https://anti-gnostic.blogspot.com/search?q=incognito

    Irish Catholic, somewhat goofy ex-Falcon Brian Finneran is on sports talk radio here. Someone once asked him how such a nice guy (which he genuinely is) could hack it in the NFL. He said simply, "I can hang."

    Like you say, the NFL is an interesting place with interesting things going on. But journalists are not very interesting or curious people.
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  43. Clyde says:

    My insta-take is that a right wing columnist might get fired for anti-Semitic remarks (real or imagined) but left wing ones get to skate.

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  44. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    In transracial news, frequent iSteve favorite Neymar is pictured with Deer Hunter era De Niro.

    http://www.news.com.au/sport/football/neymars-dad-the-big-winner-if-psg-move-happens/news-story/cfe9291c32426b557a5e5db414a9f4e7

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  46. Jake says:

    Let’s review what we can call The VDARE Pro-WASP crowd wants us to not know. The crystallization of what an American later labelled WASP culture came with the rise of the Puritans to revolutionary dismantling of what little remained of pre-Reformation English ways of seeing the world (Tolkien’s Little England is a way to express those cultural values). The quintessential Father of WASP culture is thus Oliver Cromwell. VDARE-lovers know that. Over the years, VDARE has posted many articles praising Cromwell and the Puritans more generally. At times that praise has been quite specific: Cromwell was great because he delighted in slaughtering white natives of the British Isles that he and the WASPs deemed to be inferior.

    So how would Oliver Cromwell view this situation under discusstion, which is the same as asking: what will the truest WASPs think about this?

    The answer is very simple: Cromwell went to bed with Jews, taking their loans and inviting them back into England, while he also saw the Irish especially (and a clear majority of British isles natives more generally) as inherently inferior and worthy only to slaughter and remover from their lands.

    WASP culture was born of a Judaizing heresy. WASP culture has always been pro-Jewish and violently, culturally-genocidally anti-all whites who are NOT WASPs.

    So. old Ollie Cromwell, Godfather of WASPs, would say: WASPs, the true blue WASPs, always promote Jews and despise the Irish as grossly, insufferably, inferior.

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    Yeah cause when I think of Cromwell and the New Model Army I think of slut walks and pride parades.

    Its always amazing how the very real JQ issues around here get overtaken by the same type of commenter squealing about how icky Cromwell was.

    He's already been dug up and tried once already, ffs.
    , @Millennial
    Meanwhile, in the land of historical literacy, Charles II, in fact, officially welcomed the Jews back to England and raised the first Jew to the peerage.

    Cromwell's Whitehall Conference was inconclusive.

    From Steve's own blogroll:

    http://racehist.blogspot.com/2010/02/basic-facts-concerning-oliver-cromwell.html?m=1

    In pre-Reformation England, until Edward I, Jews had special privileges and were protected by the monarchy.
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  47. @George
    "peddle the existence of a stereotype about Jews, that they drive hard bargains?"

    He says "Claudia Winkelman and Vanessa Feltz, with whose, no doubt, sterling work I am tragically unacquainted — are Jewish."

    Does that imply their higher pay is from hard bargaining or nepotism?

    Well thats the jewish question isn’t it, are jews working as a group for jewish interests consciously or unconsciously, and are those interests counter to our interests. For thousands of years they have eschewed buolding their own nations in favor of living in other while managing to not assimilate yet always end up with disproportionate power and wealth making them an unassimilated alien part of the ruling elite of nations throughout the world and time. A ruling elite with interests of their own not of their co nationals. Eventually this becomes intolerable and they are asked to leave, expelled, or murdered.And they despite their high intelligence they never seem to figure out what it is that causes this animosity and instead claim its just this mysterious hatred everyone in the world has for them. dominant economic minorities are not an exclusively jewish phenomenon and they whatever their race end up having the same fate. Jews however tend to amplify the problem by not being satisfied with economic dominance and using their talents to gain political cultural power in hopes of forestalling their tenure.This cultural destruction seems to engender particularly bitter reprisals eventually

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    And they despite their high intelligence they never seem to figure out what it is that causes this animosity
     
    But the Zionists did figure this out and decided that in order to end it the Jews had to get their own country (back on the territory they originally came from and which was taken from them by the Romans) where they could only oppress each other and not be accused of oppressing the goyim, and when they got it, people told them that they were racist oppressors and colonialists and were occupying the territory illegally and should go back to where they came from. When my father was growing up in Poland, he often heard the slogan "Jews to Palestine!" from the (numerous) local anti-Semites but now I hear "Jews out of Palestine" instead. From this you might infer that some people would prefer that the Jews should simply not exist anywhere, period.
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  48. Bugg says:
    @Thomas O. Meehan
    Jon Stewart (not his real name) was brought up in Lawrenceville NJ, an upscale town snuggled up to that notorious ghetto, Princeton NJ. He likes to allude to his traumatic youthful experience of antisemitism. Hillarious. Despite being raised at the epicenter of North American Educational attainment, he never got a degree of any kind. Maybe it was all that antisemitism?

    Jonathan Lebowitz doesn’t roll off the tongue. Having an obviously ethnic Jewish name hasn’t slowed down Jerry Seinfeld nor Larry David.

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    "David" is not a typical Jewish surname. Although he was born with that name, I'm guessing that it was changed/shortened by some earlier generation. Could have been Davidovich or some such or else David was a middle name turned into a last name (just like Stewart). Just guessing here but I think these are reasonable guesses. That being said, David doesn't exactly try to hide his Jewishness. We are way past the era where Jews tried to "pass" - if anything people do the opposite as part of the "flight from White".

    In his TV show, many of the characters are obviously or explicitly Jewish but very rarely is Jerry's own Jewishness made into an issue or a subject of humor. He is more in the "everyman" tradition of Jewish comedians of an earlier era such as George Burns and Jack Benny. Since most of the other characters in the show are also Jewish (or at least New Yorkish - even non-Jewish New Yorker seem to be somewhat Jewish) his Jewishness is sort of taken for granted - he is one more Jewish fish swimming in a largely Jewish sea. By contrast, in the show "Northern Exposures", the NY Jewish main character is put in Alaska as a sort of fish out of water and his Jewishness is often a much more explicit theme. Likewise, in the Coen Brothers "A Serious Man" Jewishness is also dealt with head one and not just by oblique references to bagels and lox.
    , @EriK
    Jerry's favorite Jewish joke.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HoSGPQ80Vc
    , @Lurker
    I'm not sure that Larry David is an obviously ethnic jewish name?
    , @Brutusale
    Ask yourself how well Jake Cohen would have done outside the Borscht Belt.

    But knowing how well he'd have done with his birth name, young Jake went with "Rodney Dangerfield" instead.
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  49. JSM says:
    @sabril
    His language is a bit flowery to decipher, but his position seems to be that

    (1) if men are paid more than women, it's because men work harder and are more deserving;

    (2) if Jews are paid more than non-Jews, it's because Jews are pushy and demanding.

    So it does seem that he is doing more than just "mentioning Jews," it seems he is applying a double-standard and invalidating Jewish accomplishments, which is a pretty common trope among anti-Semites.

    Ah pffffft.

    He’s saying, there’s two possibilities why women get paid less: either they are not pushy enough to demand to be paid what they are worth OR they actually *deserve* less money because they are less productive.

    In this particular case, these women are not only women, but Jewesses, and since Jews can be counted on to push to be paid what they are worth, we can be sure they pushed for all the money they could get.

    So, if those Jewish women didn’t get as much money as the men, it can’t be because they didn’t push for it. The only possible reason is because they, being women and therefore less productive, do, indeed, deserve less.

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    Ah pffffft.
     
    I think you are whitewashing this columnist's remarks. As far as I can tell, he never considers the possibility that men are paid more, in whole or in part, because they "push to be paid what they are worth."

    I'm pretty much as anti-feminist as they come, but even I will concede part of the reason men earn more than women is that men negotiate more aggressively over their salaries. This is obvious when you think about it -- men's social status depends more on their income than does women, so there is more incentive. Also, men typically don't have the option of asking their spouse for more money instead of asking their boss for more money.
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  50. peterike says:
    @Karl
    next, iSteve will be telling us that there are LOTS of shiksas who can write and deliver Borscht-belt quality stand-up.

    Negros dominate the NBA ===for a reason===

    mixed white guys dominate NASCAR ===for a reason===

    Hebrews dominate media ===for a reason=== And they appear to prefer to fight back against getting called on it, so that they don't end up where Swedish men have ended up

    god-damn iSteve, what is this.... your first rodeo?

    Hebrews dominate media ===for a reason===

    Ethnic nepotism and the political uniformity demanded by media owners?

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  51. Thea says:

    I’m a bit surprised he was allowed to write as long as he was based on his history.

    At this rate none of us will have a job for crime think. Nicholas Wade, James Watson and Jadon Richeine all had great contributions to make.

    White Gentile leaders just sitting back and letting this happen. We let it happen with the Muslim, Mexicans, feminists and sodomites.

    Our leaders ceded every institution and our land to foreigners who will never return the favor. We can’t really blame the Jews if our own treacherous people just handed every single thing of value over.

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  52. Bugg says:
    @anon
    I'm sad that ((( Michael Eisner))) is still kicking. He had a hand in the death of John Belushi.
    See https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/264827.Wired

    May be had a hand in Phil Hartman’s demise as well. Cannot find a video link, but basic idea, Hartman in an SNL skit with ice skater Nancy Kerrigan going to Disney World after the Olympics has Hartman/Eisner merchandising her like pastrami at Katz’s Deli-

    https://www.google.com/search?q=snl+phil+hartman+michael+eisner+nancy+kerrigan&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS623US640&oq=snl+phil+hartman+michael+eisner+nancy+kerrigan&aqs=chrome..69i57.20415j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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    Nancy Kerrigan married her agent, Jerry Lawrence Solomon... Maybe that had something to do with ber being over marketed... Of course, the pastrami at Katz Deli is pretty good... I think, I will go there now to get one!
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  53. JSM says:

    Hebrews dominate media ===for a reason=== And they appear to prefer to fight back against getting called on it, so that they don’t end up where Swedish men have ended up

    Please explicate further. Where did the Swedish men end up, and how does fighting back against being called on their dominance of the media prevent the Hebrews from ending up there?

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  54. Well no Unz.com columnist will ever be fired for not mentioning Jews. Is it a rule-Arellano excepted?

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  55. JMcG says:

    I always found Kevin Myers to be a very clear-eyed writer with a lapidary ability to it to the heart of the matter he had under consideration. His clearly expressed disgust with the murderers on both sides of the sectarian divide as well as their enablers in the involved governments was rooted in his experience as a reporter during the very early days of the “Troubles.”
    He was one of my first discoveries on the internet, along with Steve and John Derbyshire.
    It’s as good an indicator as any of the rot in our society when honorable men can’t make honest observations in public without being driven from the square. What possible good does it do to drive all of this underground?

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  56. dearieme says:

    I thought that Myers’ comment was both daft and dull. The highest paid men on the list weren’t (as far as I know) Jewish. That seems to me to make nonsense of his point, reducing it to little more than vulgar abuse. Sacking him seems over the top but that’s the world we live in.

    Still, we can say whatever we like about Christians. ‘Delusional dimwits!’ There you are: see what I mean? Well, about white Christians anyway. White, male, heterosexual Christians, at least.

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    This whole thing forces me to consider that obnoxious Jewish women may the equal of obnoxious white males, if not perhaps the equal of obnoxious Jewish males. But who is?
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  57. eah says:

    Exclusive: “Roseanne” Revival Will Feature “Gender Creative” 9 Year Old Son of Darlene and David

    The new 9 year old Mark will be “gender creative.” According to my spies, the casting call asks for a kid who can play “sensitive and effeminate” and “displays qualities of both young female and male traits.”

    ‘Roseanne’ Gets 8-Episode Reboot at ABC

    The original series executive producers Tom Werner and Bruce Helford are also on board to executive produce alongside Barr and Gilbert.

    So the producers of this rehash 0f trash which will feature a 9 y/o male trannie are Tom Werner, Bruce Helford, Roseanne Barr, and Sara Gilbert — while I could not find definitive info on Helford, the others are Jews.

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    "Roseanne" was a rare favorable, and fairly accurate, portrayal of the white working class on TV. It was also hilarious. A deserved hit. Roseanne Bar is also, unsurprisingly, a Trump supporter, though she's a little nutty on some other issues.
    , @eah
    She doesn't say why.

    https://twitter.com/therealroseanne/status/892197815073423360
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  58. CAL2 says:
    @sabril
    His language is a bit flowery to decipher, but his position seems to be that

    (1) if men are paid more than women, it's because men work harder and are more deserving;

    (2) if Jews are paid more than non-Jews, it's because Jews are pushy and demanding.

    So it does seem that he is doing more than just "mentioning Jews," it seems he is applying a double-standard and invalidating Jewish accomplishments, which is a pretty common trope among anti-Semites.

    I believe you’re missing the point. He’s saying that men get paid more because they tend to work harder, be better negotiators, and take less time off. With the Jewish women he mentioned, I believe his point is that they were better negotiators. Now have you ever had to negotiate with Jews? I have and the stereotype tends to be true.

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    He’s saying that men get paid more because they tend to work harder, be better negotiators, and take less time off.
     
    Where does he say that men are paid more because they are better negotiators? I missed it, can you quote it for me?
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  59. Jack D says:
    @celt darnell
    The funny thing is, Myers' comments could be regarded as complimentary...

    ...but that's what happens when you -- er -- notice things.

    In PC thinking, positive stereotypes (“blacks are good dancers”) are equally off-limits because it’s impermissible to generalize about things that PC types don’t want you to generalize about (it’s OK to generalize about white men and how bad and privileged they are, but that’ about it). Race doesn’t even exist so how is it possible to make generalizations about the races?

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  60. seth says:

    Kevin Myers should have been fired just for his obnoxiously snotty tone. “With whose work I am tragically unacquainted…”

    May I note that in addition to the inestimable privilege of having been born to a Jewish family, Claudia Winkleman (note spelling) is also the sister-in-law to Lord Frederick Windsor, 46th in line to the British throne?

    I wonder how many other members of the top-10 list are similarly possessed of royal connections? There are all kinds of networks of privilege.

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    Ms. Winkleman 's family seems wired with journalism connections (from Wikipedia):

    Winkleman …[is]…the daughter of Eve Pollard, former editor of the Sunday Express, and Barry Winkleman ……former publisher of The Times Atlas of the World. Her parents divorced when she was three…[and her] mother married Sir Nicholas Lloyd, former editor of the Daily Express.
    , @ben tillman

    Kevin Myers should have been fired just for his obnoxiously snotty tone. “With whose work I am tragically unacquainted…”
     
    He should be applauded for it.


    May I note that in addition to the inestimable privilege of having been born to a Jewish family, Claudia Winkleman (note spelling) is also the sister-in-law to Lord Frederick Windsor, 46th in line to the British throne?

    I wonder how many other members of the top-10 list are similarly possessed of royal connections? There are all kinds of networks of privilege.
     
    And Jews are -- and must be -- included in all of them.
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  61. escobar says:

    There was a Nazi poster depicting a fat Jew sitting on top a bag of gold and the caption “Money is the God of the Jews.”
    True for many Jews in America. But, also true for the non-Jews on Wall Street and in the corporate corridors of power as well as for the Jewish-American and non-Jewish princes and princesses in the media. The culture for the once “brightest and best” (still bright, no longer the best) of all religions is a money culture, and very few of the “Judeo-Christian” moral and ethical values to soften their drive for big bucks and power and “prestige.” They are a no-class elite, nothing or very little of “humanistic learning” they supposedly experienced at our elite colleges had an-after effect. The Jews stand out because a large number from a small number in the population of them inhabit and “make it” to the top of the money heap in this culture. Change the culture to one that Teddy Roosevelt aimed for with his party in 1912 and they and their non-Jewish colleagues would not be able to gain the power and amass the wealth for what they do and for their worship of our golden calf. Right now: fat chance!
    What was done to Easterbrook is disgusting.
    The current brouhaha is piffle.
    At the same time, jumping from disgust with past and present stupidity and nastiness is no reason to deny the Holocaust, which is also stupid and repulsive. It is as repulsive as Jews using the Holocaust to justify unethical and harmful and vicious mindset and behavior. Truth and decency!

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  62. Whiskey says: • Website

    More like the dude got fired for running afoul of women. Jews not popular in Britain BC Muslims. Lots more women than Jews and Jews are disliked by the Sjw set that back Corbyn. A benefit to sjws us that mass Muslims stuck it to Jews and White working class dual enemies.

    Easterbrooj fired for heresy against sjw. If Jews ran Hollywood Muslims would be bad guys not saintly victims.

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    Yeah, sure, that must be it.

    The fact they were women was already in play, the supposed pay gap between men and women at the BBC has been swirling about for days. Yet now we're supposed to think he got in trouble for them being women?

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  63. Jack D says:
    @George
    "peddle the existence of a stereotype about Jews, that they drive hard bargains?"

    He says "Claudia Winkelman and Vanessa Feltz, with whose, no doubt, sterling work I am tragically unacquainted — are Jewish."

    Does that imply their higher pay is from hard bargaining or nepotism?

    If you read the whole paragraph, it’s clear that he is talking about hard bargaining and not nepotism.

    Here is his logical argument, which is sorta weak I think, even aside from the reliance on stereotypes:

    1. W and F are Jewish.
    2. Jews are noted for their hard bargaining and are no doubt represented by the best, most hard bargaining talent agents.
    3. Other lesser paid female reporters are no doubt represented by these same agents who drive equally hard bargains and achieve the best possible results on their behalf .
    4. Therefore, these lesser paid females are already being paid a market rate and their lower pay is a reflection of their actual value and not a result of gender discrimination.

    The weakness, aside from the stereotypes, is in “no doubt” qualifications – he is assuming facts not in evidence. Maybe the nice goyish lady reporters are too reticent or too anti-Semitic to hire hard driving (Jewish) talent agents. Their bosses offer them 70 cents on the dollar (70 pence on the pound) because they hate women/ think they can get away with it and they take it because they are too nice to bargain. If Jews are noted for their hard bargaining then non-Jews must be noted for their not-hard bargaining, I guess.

    Bringing Jews into the thing was really unnecessary. Points #1 and 2 could have been that W and F are top paid and no doubt represented by the best agents without bringing their ethnicity into it at all. The mark of the anti-Semite is that he brings up Jewishness when it is not really germane to the subject at hand. Here we are talking about gender discrimination and suddenly he brings Joos into the argument for no particularly good reason.

    Regarding nepotism, you could conceivably argue (though he doesn’t, because it would actually undermine the point he is trying to make) that the agents try harder for their coreligionists (assuming that the agents are also Jewish, which he doesn’t state either) and this explains why they make more than other female reporters. It’s at least as strong as the argument that he is trying to make.

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    Occam's Razor dictates that the reason lady presenters are paid less is that they have a sharp career trajectory (the rise faster than men in the industry and fall faster than men as well) and that it is relative to their years of peak attractiveness.

    This was the likely explanation for why female movie leads are paid less than their male counterparts and why the hullabaloo is nonsense. Bradley Cooper was paid more than Jennifer Lawrence because Lawrence is eminently more replaceable by the next early twentysomething ingenue. But the flip side is that while Bradley Cooper was toiling in obscurity in bit parts in television shows and straight to DVD movies (remember him as the psycho boyfriend in Wedding Crashers?), Lawrence's rise to prominence was meteoric. She didn't have the ten plus years of couch surfing and supplementing meager acting income by waiting tables like Cooper and Clooney. Also note the cannibalistic nature of female leads - the new one on the scene tends to push out her elder sisters when they are deemed too old to play the female leads (think Ashley Judd, who complains about not getting roles like she used to do). It's a bit hypocritical to take advantage of Hollywood's favor for young female leads on the front end (while pushing out the old gray mares) and then complain about not getting roles when you get pushed out in favor of the new girl.
    , @iffen
    suddenly he brings Joos into the argument for no particularly good reason.

    This is the question. Who gets to decide if the reason is good?

    , @sabril

    Bringing Jews into the thing was really unnecessary.
     
    I agree, but what I think is really telling is that men as a group received the benefit of the doubt. Even though there is plenty of evidence to believe that men push harder than women for higher salaries, he does not even consider this as a possible explanation for even part of the pay gap. Instead, he simply concludes that men work harder, are more charismatic, and are more driven. i.e. they are more deserving.

    By contrast, when the pay gap is between Jews and non-Jews, he immediately seizes on a somewhat less flattering stereotype of Jews and advances that as the explanation.

    Why doesn't he consider the possibility that Jews are smarter than non-Jews and therefore better performers and therefore more deserving of higher pay? Why doesn't he consider the possibility that some of the male/female pay gap is due to men pushing harder and not simply because men deserve to be paid more? Looks to me like prejudice.

    And this type of prejudice is very common. People have a tendency to think that the groups which do worse than them are simply less deserving, while the groups which outperform them are achieving through cunning not because they are more deserving.
    , @silviosilver

    The mark of the anti-Semite is that he brings up Jewishness when it is not really germane to the subject at hand.
     
    In theory, perhaps. But in practise the mark of the "anti-semite" is his conviction that it's permissible to criticize Jews, just as it's permissible to criticize any other group of people on the planet.

    To my way of thinking, the problem isn't criticism per se, but rather dumb criticism. And when it comes to Jews, there is truly no end of that. What makes it even worse is that opportunities for good criticism positively abound.

    , @guest
    The mark of the anti-WASP-ite is that he brings up WASPishness when it's not germane to the subject.

    The mark of the anti-German-ite is that he brings up Germanness when it's not germane to the subject.

    The mark of the anti-Kentuckian is that he brings up Kentuckyness when it's not germane to the subject.

    The mark of the anti-Canadian is that he brings up Canadianness when it's not germane to the subject.

    Oh, wait, everyone can bring up all those things whenever they want, for any reason or no reason. Jewishness, on the other hand, requires not only a reason, but really, I'm guessing, an overwhelming reason that would make not mentioning it positively confusing. Plus a special dispensation received ahead of time from the ADL.

    Maybe not even then, because holocaust.
    , @Frau Katze
    This whole thing has nothing to do with Jews and everything to do with the fact that women are (usually) the most-involved parent in bringing the children. There are exceptions of course, but we are talking about averages.

    Bringing up children is time consuming and and can be emotionally draining. If a working mother's child gets sick, she is usually the one to take time off work.

    Furthermore there a great many single mothers — I am one and take from me, it's really, really hard. I was employed full time as well. And I got no child support until they were in their teens and it wasn't much.

    There are far fewer single fathers. Most men aren't interested.

    This is the main reason for the small number of women at the very top level jobs. Heck, most men couldn't get there either.

    It's so obvious I don't understand why SJWs can't see it.
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  64. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Only an Irishman can wield the English language like a sword. And it’s not even their native language.

    By the by, iSteve, that would be “Jon” Stewart, n’est pas? “John” was a singer/songwriter (originally with the old Kingston Trio). Point taken nevertheless.

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  65. Mike1 says:

    What he wrote was clearly intended to cause offense. I would have fired him too.

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    What he wrote was clearly intended to cause offense. I would have fired him too.
     
    Do you think the touchstone should be purely his intent or the content of his piece? You would need to accept uncritically that simply noticing that a public person is a Jew is in itself a reasonable basis for taking offense. Isn't this a particularly low bar for offense? Which other groups which are in favor in terms of presence and compensation are at the same time protected by such a sensitive tripwire?
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  66. Truth says:
    @MEH 0910
    Harlan Ellison - Pay the Writer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuLr9HG2ASs

    Harlan Ellison and I share the same Alma Mater. He spoke at a few school events when I was a student. He is an incredibly, almost pointlessly, brilliant Dude. One of the 3 or 4 most intelligent men I have met.

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  67. @Jack D
    If you read the whole paragraph, it's clear that he is talking about hard bargaining and not nepotism.

    Here is his logical argument, which is sorta weak I think, even aside from the reliance on stereotypes:

    1. W and F are Jewish.
    2. Jews are noted for their hard bargaining and are no doubt represented by the best, most hard bargaining talent agents.
    3. Other lesser paid female reporters are no doubt represented by these same agents who drive equally hard bargains and achieve the best possible results on their behalf .
    4. Therefore, these lesser paid females are already being paid a market rate and their lower pay is a reflection of their actual value and not a result of gender discrimination.

    The weakness, aside from the stereotypes, is in "no doubt" qualifications - he is assuming facts not in evidence. Maybe the nice goyish lady reporters are too reticent or too anti-Semitic to hire hard driving (Jewish) talent agents. Their bosses offer them 70 cents on the dollar (70 pence on the pound) because they hate women/ think they can get away with it and they take it because they are too nice to bargain. If Jews are noted for their hard bargaining then non-Jews must be noted for their not-hard bargaining, I guess.

    Bringing Jews into the thing was really unnecessary. Points #1 and 2 could have been that W and F are top paid and no doubt represented by the best agents without bringing their ethnicity into it at all. The mark of the anti-Semite is that he brings up Jewishness when it is not really germane to the subject at hand. Here we are talking about gender discrimination and suddenly he brings Joos into the argument for no particularly good reason.

    Regarding nepotism, you could conceivably argue (though he doesn't, because it would actually undermine the point he is trying to make) that the agents try harder for their coreligionists (assuming that the agents are also Jewish, which he doesn't state either) and this explains why they make more than other female reporters. It's at least as strong as the argument that he is trying to make.

    Occam’s Razor dictates that the reason lady presenters are paid less is that they have a sharp career trajectory (the rise faster than men in the industry and fall faster than men as well) and that it is relative to their years of peak attractiveness.

    This was the likely explanation for why female movie leads are paid less than their male counterparts and why the hullabaloo is nonsense. Bradley Cooper was paid more than Jennifer Lawrence because Lawrence is eminently more replaceable by the next early twentysomething ingenue. But the flip side is that while Bradley Cooper was toiling in obscurity in bit parts in television shows and straight to DVD movies (remember him as the psycho boyfriend in Wedding Crashers?), Lawrence’s rise to prominence was meteoric. She didn’t have the ten plus years of couch surfing and supplementing meager acting income by waiting tables like Cooper and Clooney. Also note the cannibalistic nature of female leads – the new one on the scene tends to push out her elder sisters when they are deemed too old to play the female leads (think Ashley Judd, who complains about not getting roles like she used to do). It’s a bit hypocritical to take advantage of Hollywood’s favor for young female leads on the front end (while pushing out the old gray mares) and then complain about not getting roles when you get pushed out in favor of the new girl.

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    Bradley Cooper was paid more than Jennifer Lawrence because Lawrence is eminently more replaceable by the next early twentysomething ingenue.
     
    You're right that Bradley Cooper and George Clooney paid their dues in small roles for years before becoming leading men, because leading men tend to be older than leading actresses (just checking now, and the youngest-looking leading men I can think of, Chris Pine and Ryan Gosling, are 36). And by the time Jennifer Lawrence is Bradley Cooper's age (42), she won't be getting the same roles. But she is not "eminently more replaceable" now. There's no actress close to her age with the same level of critical and box office success. She's won a best actress Oscar plus a bunch of other awards, and she's starred in critically acclaimed small films as well as big box office ones such as the X-Men and Hunger Games movies.

    And in that sci-fi movie she starred in with Chris Pratt (38), she made more money than him.
    , @Jack D
    I think you make a pretty good argument, and all without bring the Joos into it. That being said, I think he was talking about TV news presenters where the women have a longer shelf life than starlets. The chief presenter of the PBS Newshour is Judy Woodruff who is pushing 70 and has reached the point where I have to avert my eyes from the screen because it is so painful to look at her withered neck and wrinkles. Barbara Walters is 87 and still seen on TV now and then.
    , @Jack D
    I think you make a pretty good argument, and all without bring the Joos into it. That being said, I think he was talking about TV news presenters where the women have a longer shelf life than starlets. The chief presenter of the PBS Newshour is Judy Woodruff who is pushing 70 and has reached the point where I have to avert my eyes from the screen because it is so painful to look at her withered neck and wrinkles. Barbara Walters is 87 and still seen on TV now and then.
    , @Anonymous
    It’s a bit hypocritical to take advantage of Hollywood’s favor for young female leads on the front end (while pushing out the old gray mares) and then complain about not getting roles when you get pushed out in favor of the new girl.

    I completely agree with this. These stupid women lack self-awareness and are apparently unaware of the phrase live by the sword, die by the sword.
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  68. @Mike1
    What he wrote was clearly intended to cause offense. I would have fired him too.

    What he wrote was clearly intended to cause offense. I would have fired him too.

    Do you think the touchstone should be purely his intent or the content of his piece? You would need to accept uncritically that simply noticing that a public person is a Jew is in itself a reasonable basis for taking offense. Isn’t this a particularly low bar for offense? Which other groups which are in favor in terms of presence and compensation are at the same time protected by such a sensitive tripwire?

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    It wasn't just noticing that these 2 reporters were Jewish. It was, first of all, noticing in connection with an offensive (if back-handedly complimentary) stereotype - that they are Jewish and therefore hard bargainers. And in bringing up this stereotype unnecessarily in connection with a completely unrelated argument about sex discrimination. In case you have been living in a hole for last 30 years, it's no longer OK to publicly pronounce stereotypes about minorities, even positive ones, such as "blacks are really good dancers" , especially out of the blue in an article about why male movie stars make more $ than female stars. Maybe it should be OK but Myers was incredibly out of touch with the Current Year if he thought that he could still talk this way in public and not expect backlash.
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  69. iffen says:
    @Jack D
    If you read the whole paragraph, it's clear that he is talking about hard bargaining and not nepotism.

    Here is his logical argument, which is sorta weak I think, even aside from the reliance on stereotypes:

    1. W and F are Jewish.
    2. Jews are noted for their hard bargaining and are no doubt represented by the best, most hard bargaining talent agents.
    3. Other lesser paid female reporters are no doubt represented by these same agents who drive equally hard bargains and achieve the best possible results on their behalf .
    4. Therefore, these lesser paid females are already being paid a market rate and their lower pay is a reflection of their actual value and not a result of gender discrimination.

    The weakness, aside from the stereotypes, is in "no doubt" qualifications - he is assuming facts not in evidence. Maybe the nice goyish lady reporters are too reticent or too anti-Semitic to hire hard driving (Jewish) talent agents. Their bosses offer them 70 cents on the dollar (70 pence on the pound) because they hate women/ think they can get away with it and they take it because they are too nice to bargain. If Jews are noted for their hard bargaining then non-Jews must be noted for their not-hard bargaining, I guess.

    Bringing Jews into the thing was really unnecessary. Points #1 and 2 could have been that W and F are top paid and no doubt represented by the best agents without bringing their ethnicity into it at all. The mark of the anti-Semite is that he brings up Jewishness when it is not really germane to the subject at hand. Here we are talking about gender discrimination and suddenly he brings Joos into the argument for no particularly good reason.

    Regarding nepotism, you could conceivably argue (though he doesn't, because it would actually undermine the point he is trying to make) that the agents try harder for their coreligionists (assuming that the agents are also Jewish, which he doesn't state either) and this explains why they make more than other female reporters. It's at least as strong as the argument that he is trying to make.

    suddenly he brings Joos into the argument for no particularly good reason.

    This is the question. Who gets to decide if the reason is good?

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    This goes beyond mere who/whomism. Under current PC standards, even if you were arguing about what qualities are needed to be a good NFL cornerback, it would probably be off base to mention race, but if we lived in a sane world it would be OK. But if you are having an argument about gender equality, then by any standard it is coming from left field to bring race, religion, etc. into the argument.
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  70. sabril says:
    @CAL2
    I believe you're missing the point. He's saying that men get paid more because they tend to work harder, be better negotiators, and take less time off. With the Jewish women he mentioned, I believe his point is that they were better negotiators. Now have you ever had to negotiate with Jews? I have and the stereotype tends to be true.

    He’s saying that men get paid more because they tend to work harder, be better negotiators, and take less time off.

    Where does he say that men are paid more because they are better negotiators? I missed it, can you quote it for me?

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    In the article, Mr Myers also argued that male presenters may earn more because they "work harder, get sick less frequently and seldom get pregnant".
     
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40768352

    So male reporters get paid more because they work harder and Jewish female reporters get paid more because they are shrewd bargainers.
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  71. sabril says:
    @JSM
    Ah pffffft.


    He's saying, there's two possibilities why women get paid less: either they are not pushy enough to demand to be paid what they are worth OR they actually *deserve* less money because they are less productive.

    In this particular case, these women are not only women, but Jewesses, and since Jews can be counted on to push to be paid what they are worth, we can be sure they pushed for all the money they could get.

    So, if those Jewish women didn't get as much money as the men, it can't be because they didn't push for it. The only possible reason is because they, being women and therefore less productive, do, indeed, deserve less.

    Ah pffffft.

    I think you are whitewashing this columnist’s remarks. As far as I can tell, he never considers the possibility that men are paid more, in whole or in part, because they “push to be paid what they are worth.”

    I’m pretty much as anti-feminist as they come, but even I will concede part of the reason men earn more than women is that men negotiate more aggressively over their salaries. This is obvious when you think about it — men’s social status depends more on their income than does women, so there is more incentive. Also, men typically don’t have the option of asking their spouse for more money instead of asking their boss for more money.

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    "men’s social status depends more on their income than does women, so there is more incentive. Also, men typically don’t have the option of asking their spouse for more money instead of asking their boss for more money"

    Some poor naive soap actor (male) pointed out that men typically aspire to support a wife and children, whereas few women aspire to support a husband and children. Naturally he has grovelled and apologised for his dreadful words (trigger warning).

    'My wife works really hard as a stay-at-home mum, but I'm the only one bringing in a salary for our family. Many men's salaries aren't just for them, it's for their wife and children, too.'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4728380/Casualty-star-slammed-defending-BBC-gender-pay-gap.html

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  72. Jewish writers overwhelmingly disapprove of President Trump. But it is Jewish billionaires and Jewish media oligarchs who decide who gets to write or opine in the corporate propaganda apparatus. Mark Zuckerberg, the Redstone gang, The Roberts gang, Mike Bloomberg and other Jewish billionaires are the ones who continually use their media power to attack the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    White Core Americans are under attack from a hostile ruling class that wants to demographically replace them in their own nation. Both the Republican Party and Democrat Party are firmly under the control of a Deep State ruling class that protects and empowers the hostile Jewish element that controls the media.

    The Jewish question is an 800 pound gorilla that is never talked about in most European Christian nations such as the United States, England, Germany or others. The Jewish question is a legitimate topic of political discourse and it must be honestly talked about. Jewish billionaires are using their money and media power to stifle talk about vital subjects that impact the future of European Christian nations.

    It is now time to honestly talk about why the corporate propaganda apparatus is controlled by Jewish billionaires who have a deep and abiding hatred of the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    This Tweet is from 2015:

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    Jewish writers overwhelmingly disapprove of President Trump.
     
    Actually, writers of all ethnicities overwhelmingly disapprove of President Trump. The amusing thing is that even the writers of thrillers and police procedurals tend to be overwhelmingly liberal. I understand why. Writing isn't really a stable source of income. Scribblers, almost to a man, like big government because the welfare state provides a backstop if their vocation becomes, involuntarily, more akin to an avocation.
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  73. Jack D says:
    @Bugg
    Jonathan Lebowitz doesn't roll off the tongue. Having an obviously ethnic Jewish name hasn't slowed down Jerry Seinfeld nor Larry David.

    “David” is not a typical Jewish surname. Although he was born with that name, I’m guessing that it was changed/shortened by some earlier generation. Could have been Davidovich or some such or else David was a middle name turned into a last name (just like Stewart). Just guessing here but I think these are reasonable guesses. That being said, David doesn’t exactly try to hide his Jewishness. We are way past the era where Jews tried to “pass” – if anything people do the opposite as part of the “flight from White”.

    In his TV show, many of the characters are obviously or explicitly Jewish but very rarely is Jerry’s own Jewishness made into an issue or a subject of humor. He is more in the “everyman” tradition of Jewish comedians of an earlier era such as George Burns and Jack Benny. Since most of the other characters in the show are also Jewish (or at least New Yorkish – even non-Jewish New Yorker seem to be somewhat Jewish) his Jewishness is sort of taken for granted – he is one more Jewish fish swimming in a largely Jewish sea. By contrast, in the show “Northern Exposures”, the NY Jewish main character is put in Alaska as a sort of fish out of water and his Jewishness is often a much more explicit theme. Likewise, in the Coen Brothers “A Serious Man” Jewishness is also dealt with head one and not just by oblique references to bagels and lox.

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    In the "Palestianian Chicken" episode (the GOAT episode ever on a show full of GOAT episodes) of "Curb Your Enthusiasm", Larry explained to the Palestinian Shara that he was "Lebbe, son of Nat" before he enthusiastically beds her.
    , @whorefinder

    In his TV show, many of the characters are obviously or explicitly Jewish but very rarely is Jerry’s own Jewishness made into an issue or a subject of humor.
     

    He is more in the “everyman” tradition of Jewish comedians of an earlier era such as George Burns and Jack Benny.
     
    Its not far off to call Seinfeld (the TV series) "Newhart for New York Jews." One calm, observing main character (Jerry, Bob) surrounded by a storm of crazy folk and situations, and desperately trying to maintain normalcy. Of course, Jerry got wackier as the series rolled on, but George, Kramer, and to a lesser extent Elaine were far wackier and their schemes/problems were observed by Jerry with detachment (as the final episode emphasizes, as the gang is arrested for failing to care enough).

    By contrast, in the show “Northern Exposures”, the NY Jewish main character is put in Alaska as a sort of fish out of water and his Jewishness is often a much more explicit theme
     
    .

    Northern Exposure was, like Twin Peaks and House, one of those shows that went gangbusters at the beginning and then completely fell apart and the dropoff was more than noticeable, it was extreme.

    Likewise, in the Coen Brothers “A Serious Man” Jewishness is also dealt with head one and not just by oblique references to bagels and lox.
     


    A Serious Man
    is a strong criticism of the Jewish community and Jewish religion, as only two Jews who grew up in it can explain. Contrast that to O Brother Where Art Thou?, where the Cohens celebrate about 90% of pre-civil rights Jim Crow Southern culture (right down to the deeply influential, largely Christian soundtrack), and it seems clear the Cohens like goyim-Americans more than Jewish-American culture. Like Christopher Nolan, however, the Cohens are far too wise to be cornered on their politics/beliefs bucking the Hollywood line.
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  74. sabril says:
    @Jack D
    If you read the whole paragraph, it's clear that he is talking about hard bargaining and not nepotism.

    Here is his logical argument, which is sorta weak I think, even aside from the reliance on stereotypes:

    1. W and F are Jewish.
    2. Jews are noted for their hard bargaining and are no doubt represented by the best, most hard bargaining talent agents.
    3. Other lesser paid female reporters are no doubt represented by these same agents who drive equally hard bargains and achieve the best possible results on their behalf .
    4. Therefore, these lesser paid females are already being paid a market rate and their lower pay is a reflection of their actual value and not a result of gender discrimination.

    The weakness, aside from the stereotypes, is in "no doubt" qualifications - he is assuming facts not in evidence. Maybe the nice goyish lady reporters are too reticent or too anti-Semitic to hire hard driving (Jewish) talent agents. Their bosses offer them 70 cents on the dollar (70 pence on the pound) because they hate women/ think they can get away with it and they take it because they are too nice to bargain. If Jews are noted for their hard bargaining then non-Jews must be noted for their not-hard bargaining, I guess.

    Bringing Jews into the thing was really unnecessary. Points #1 and 2 could have been that W and F are top paid and no doubt represented by the best agents without bringing their ethnicity into it at all. The mark of the anti-Semite is that he brings up Jewishness when it is not really germane to the subject at hand. Here we are talking about gender discrimination and suddenly he brings Joos into the argument for no particularly good reason.

    Regarding nepotism, you could conceivably argue (though he doesn't, because it would actually undermine the point he is trying to make) that the agents try harder for their coreligionists (assuming that the agents are also Jewish, which he doesn't state either) and this explains why they make more than other female reporters. It's at least as strong as the argument that he is trying to make.

    Bringing Jews into the thing was really unnecessary.

    I agree, but what I think is really telling is that men as a group received the benefit of the doubt. Even though there is plenty of evidence to believe that men push harder than women for higher salaries, he does not even consider this as a possible explanation for even part of the pay gap. Instead, he simply concludes that men work harder, are more charismatic, and are more driven. i.e. they are more deserving.

    By contrast, when the pay gap is between Jews and non-Jews, he immediately seizes on a somewhat less flattering stereotype of Jews and advances that as the explanation.

    Why doesn’t he consider the possibility that Jews are smarter than non-Jews and therefore better performers and therefore more deserving of higher pay? Why doesn’t he consider the possibility that some of the male/female pay gap is due to men pushing harder and not simply because men deserve to be paid more? Looks to me like prejudice.

    And this type of prejudice is very common. People have a tendency to think that the groups which do worse than them are simply less deserving, while the groups which outperform them are achieving through cunning not because they are more deserving.

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  75. @Cagey Beast
    I agree with your critique of Kevin Myers writing style but is your assertion that "Americans like plain talk and hate phonies" really true? True, Americans like phonies who affect plain talk but that's as far as it goes. Do Americans hate phonies? Phonies are American folk heroes. Americans adore people who invent a public persona for themselves and insist everyone play along with it. Constructing elaborate personae is the last great American pass-time. Americans hate phonies as much as Brazilians hate soccer players.

    As I’ve said before, much 20th century literature and theater, from Elmer Gantry to the lighthearted fare of The Music Man, was filled the theme of the willingness for the American public to resonate to blatant phoniness.

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    "There's a sucker born every minute."

    -an American (probably)
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  76. Jack D says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    What he wrote was clearly intended to cause offense. I would have fired him too.
     
    Do you think the touchstone should be purely his intent or the content of his piece? You would need to accept uncritically that simply noticing that a public person is a Jew is in itself a reasonable basis for taking offense. Isn't this a particularly low bar for offense? Which other groups which are in favor in terms of presence and compensation are at the same time protected by such a sensitive tripwire?

    It wasn’t just noticing that these 2 reporters were Jewish. It was, first of all, noticing in connection with an offensive (if back-handedly complimentary) stereotype – that they are Jewish and therefore hard bargainers. And in bringing up this stereotype unnecessarily in connection with a completely unrelated argument about sex discrimination. In case you have been living in a hole for last 30 years, it’s no longer OK to publicly pronounce stereotypes about minorities, even positive ones, such as “blacks are really good dancers” , especially out of the blue in an article about why male movie stars make more $ than female stars. Maybe it should be OK but Myers was incredibly out of touch with the Current Year if he thought that he could still talk this way in public and not expect backlash.

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    Maybe it should be OK but Myers was incredibly out of touch with the Current Year if he thought that he could still talk this way in public and not expect backlash.
     
    Maybe he was ready to retire - it does seem incredibly out of touch, especially for a journalist.

    We already have suicide by cop, maybe a new phenomenon is emerging, (career) suicide by un-PC remark.
    , @Redman
    The point Jack is that it "shouldn't be" wrong to state one's views openly as Myers did. You may disagree (and I don't think you get what he was saying) but it seems you are in support of the media making Myers into a pariah. You're the one out of touch, at least with respect to the blog you're on.
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  77. @LondonBob
    Pretty remarkable as neither Feltz nor Winkelman are prominent or high performers in what they do.

    Gasp. Are you saying they are merely mediocre, or they are mediocre Jews?

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  78. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @dcthrowback
    So close. Martin never said that, the quote was anonymous.

    https://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2013/11/06/richie-incognito-honorary-black-man-miami-dolphins-jonathan-martin

    As many Dolphins said, Incognito was considered "more black" than the biracial Martin because "of who he was, what he had seen and the way he carried himself." I'd imagine being called an honorary black guy by a bunch of tough football players has to be one of the greatest compliments in that (and our!) world, yet this guy was the bad guy in the story, not the good guy. It was clear Martin was talented but not mentally tough enough for the sport and Coach Philbin had asked Richie to "toughen" him up, much like the way a platoon sergeant would ask a squad leader to "prepare" someone just out of basic training to the rigors of a new unit.

    This story was so interesting and the media f**king blew it again, no surprise. The main narrative of "racist white guy picking on black guy" was totally and incredibly incorrect.

    So close. Martin never said that, the quote was anonymous.

    I know Martin didn’t say that — he was the one allegedly bullied by Incognito. “Miami Dolphins ex-Jonathan Martin” = “Miami Dolphins excluding Jonathan Martin”.

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  79. @dcthrowback
    So close. Martin never said that, the quote was anonymous.

    https://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2013/11/06/richie-incognito-honorary-black-man-miami-dolphins-jonathan-martin

    As many Dolphins said, Incognito was considered "more black" than the biracial Martin because "of who he was, what he had seen and the way he carried himself." I'd imagine being called an honorary black guy by a bunch of tough football players has to be one of the greatest compliments in that (and our!) world, yet this guy was the bad guy in the story, not the good guy. It was clear Martin was talented but not mentally tough enough for the sport and Coach Philbin had asked Richie to "toughen" him up, much like the way a platoon sergeant would ask a squad leader to "prepare" someone just out of basic training to the rigors of a new unit.

    This story was so interesting and the media f**king blew it again, no surprise. The main narrative of "racist white guy picking on black guy" was totally and incredibly incorrect.

    That was indeed an interesting story. I wrote some thoughts on it here:

    https://anti-gnostic.blogspot.com/search?q=incognito

    Irish Catholic, somewhat goofy ex-Falcon Brian Finneran is on sports talk radio here. Someone once asked him how such a nice guy (which he genuinely is) could hack it in the NFL. He said simply, “I can hang.”

    Like you say, the NFL is an interesting place with interesting things going on. But journalists are not very interesting or curious people.

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  80. Jack D says:
    @sabril

    He’s saying that men get paid more because they tend to work harder, be better negotiators, and take less time off.
     
    Where does he say that men are paid more because they are better negotiators? I missed it, can you quote it for me?

    In the article, Mr Myers also argued that male presenters may earn more because they “work harder, get sick less frequently and seldom get pregnant”.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40768352

    So male reporters get paid more because they work harder and Jewish female reporters get paid more because they are shrewd bargainers.

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  81. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @eah
    Exclusive: “Roseanne” Revival Will Feature “Gender Creative” 9 Year Old Son of Darlene and David

    The new 9 year old Mark will be “gender creative.” According to my spies, the casting call asks for a kid who can play “sensitive and effeminate” and “displays qualities of both young female and male traits.”

    ‘Roseanne’ Gets 8-Episode Reboot at ABC

    The original series executive producers Tom Werner and Bruce Helford are also on board to executive produce alongside Barr and Gilbert.

    So the producers of this rehash 0f trash which will feature a 9 y/o male trannie are Tom Werner, Bruce Helford, Roseanne Barr, and Sara Gilbert -- while I could not find definitive info on Helford, the others are Jews.

    “Roseanne” was a rare favorable, and fairly accurate, portrayal of the white working class on TV. It was also hilarious. A deserved hit. Roseanne Bar is also, unsurprisingly, a Trump supporter, though she’s a little nutty on some other issues.

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    I guess one man's trash is another's treasure (but for that sort of thing I prefer something like 'Antiques Roadshow') -- however I think a rehash without the gender propaganda is possible ffs -- exploiting a child for that is especially disgusting -- btw, don't hold your breath waiting for the same thing with a black kid.
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  82. Jack D says:
    @iffen
    suddenly he brings Joos into the argument for no particularly good reason.

    This is the question. Who gets to decide if the reason is good?

    This goes beyond mere who/whomism. Under current PC standards, even if you were arguing about what qualities are needed to be a good NFL cornerback, it would probably be off base to mention race, but if we lived in a sane world it would be OK. But if you are having an argument about gender equality, then by any standard it is coming from left field to bring race, religion, etc. into the argument.

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    This goes beyond mere who/whomism.

    No it doesn't. Which groups have greater representation in the better paid group and why? Not to mention the problem of who has the "right" to define the groups.

    ... even if you were arguing about what qualities are needed to be a good NFL cornerback, it would probably be off base to mention race ...

    Really. Race is a quality?

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  83. @oddsbodkins
    You are criticizing Jon Stewart for realizing that he didn't need a college degree to be a professional comedian.

    Stewart’s success proves that you don’t even need to be funny to be a professional comedian.

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  84. Jack D says:
    @Colleen Pater
    Well thats the jewish question isn't it, are jews working as a group for jewish interests consciously or unconsciously, and are those interests counter to our interests. For thousands of years they have eschewed buolding their own nations in favor of living in other while managing to not assimilate yet always end up with disproportionate power and wealth making them an unassimilated alien part of the ruling elite of nations throughout the world and time. A ruling elite with interests of their own not of their co nationals. Eventually this becomes intolerable and they are asked to leave, expelled, or murdered.And they despite their high intelligence they never seem to figure out what it is that causes this animosity and instead claim its just this mysterious hatred everyone in the world has for them. dominant economic minorities are not an exclusively jewish phenomenon and they whatever their race end up having the same fate. Jews however tend to amplify the problem by not being satisfied with economic dominance and using their talents to gain political cultural power in hopes of forestalling their tenure.This cultural destruction seems to engender particularly bitter reprisals eventually

    And they despite their high intelligence they never seem to figure out what it is that causes this animosity

    But the Zionists did figure this out and decided that in order to end it the Jews had to get their own country (back on the territory they originally came from and which was taken from them by the Romans) where they could only oppress each other and not be accused of oppressing the goyim, and when they got it, people told them that they were racist oppressors and colonialists and were occupying the territory illegally and should go back to where they came from. When my father was growing up in Poland, he often heard the slogan “Jews to Palestine!” from the (numerous) local anti-Semites but now I hear “Jews out of Palestine” instead. From this you might infer that some people would prefer that the Jews should simply not exist anywhere, period.

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    From this you might infer that some people would prefer that the Jews should simply not exist anywhere, period.
     
    She got the summary of Jewish history dead on correct. This is, at best, an obvious attempt at self-pity and coming up with that mysterious hatred, when in reality I'd rather just not think about JQ and hope you all make it to Heaven somehow, too, someday. Repeated attempts to force the pity will in fact create open hostility in all but the most resistant of people, just like she pointed out. High IQs apparently lead to a special kind of maroon.

    Jews bumble around the world, still under the special protection of a God most of the off the wagons have a hard time even believing exists, while bemoaning the separation between themselves and others while simultaneously cheering it along. If being Jewish bothers you that much, there's always the door marked "Christianity".
    , @peterike

    But the Zionists did figure this out and decided that in order to end it the Jews had to get their own country... where they could only oppress each other and not be accused of oppressing the goyim

     

    And so then they all left the other countries and stopped oppressing the goyim? Oh yeah, still waiting for that part to happen.
    , @Anonymous
    You have to admit though that they were sort of asking for trouble setting up Israel there given the Arabs and European and Ottoman empires there.

    Israel probably should have been established in some less contentious place like in North America or something, although then it wouldn't have been Israel and wouldn't have had the religious and mythical significance to attract Jews, and in any case Americans and Canadians probably wouldn't have ever allowed it. Sort of like the Jewish Autonomous Oblast which is in the Russian Far East:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

    In fact, the Jewish Autonomous Oblast is almost twice the area of Israel. It probably would be better if the JAO served as Israel in terms of conflict resolution. The only issue is that it's a federal subject of Russia, though internally it's autonomous and self-governing. If full independence were necessary, the US could broker a deal whereby Russia grants the JAO independence in exchange for lifting sanctions or letting Russia have the Ukraine or something. Of course the problem would remain that many Jews and especially all religious Jews wouldn't recognize it since it isn't Israel. But it should satisfy secular Zionists.
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  85. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    Occam's Razor dictates that the reason lady presenters are paid less is that they have a sharp career trajectory (the rise faster than men in the industry and fall faster than men as well) and that it is relative to their years of peak attractiveness.

    This was the likely explanation for why female movie leads are paid less than their male counterparts and why the hullabaloo is nonsense. Bradley Cooper was paid more than Jennifer Lawrence because Lawrence is eminently more replaceable by the next early twentysomething ingenue. But the flip side is that while Bradley Cooper was toiling in obscurity in bit parts in television shows and straight to DVD movies (remember him as the psycho boyfriend in Wedding Crashers?), Lawrence's rise to prominence was meteoric. She didn't have the ten plus years of couch surfing and supplementing meager acting income by waiting tables like Cooper and Clooney. Also note the cannibalistic nature of female leads - the new one on the scene tends to push out her elder sisters when they are deemed too old to play the female leads (think Ashley Judd, who complains about not getting roles like she used to do). It's a bit hypocritical to take advantage of Hollywood's favor for young female leads on the front end (while pushing out the old gray mares) and then complain about not getting roles when you get pushed out in favor of the new girl.

    Bradley Cooper was paid more than Jennifer Lawrence because Lawrence is eminently more replaceable by the next early twentysomething ingenue.

    You’re right that Bradley Cooper and George Clooney paid their dues in small roles for years before becoming leading men, because leading men tend to be older than leading actresses (just checking now, and the youngest-looking leading men I can think of, Chris Pine and Ryan Gosling, are 36). And by the time Jennifer Lawrence is Bradley Cooper’s age (42), she won’t be getting the same roles. But she is not “eminently more replaceable” now. There’s no actress close to her age with the same level of critical and box office success. She’s won a best actress Oscar plus a bunch of other awards, and she’s starred in critically acclaimed small films as well as big box office ones such as the X-Men and Hunger Games movies.

    And in that sci-fi movie she starred in with Chris Pratt (38), she made more money than him.

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    But Jennifer Lawrence is still only 26. What is her "sell by" date for female ingenue roles? 32? Felicity Jones was 32 when Rogue One was released. How much longer will she be able to get such roles? There are a lot of Hollywood actresses whose big screen careers are OVER when they hit 35. Even you say that 42 is beyond the limit. We are genetically programmed to regard postmenopausal woman as unsuitable for mating and therefore not sexually attractive.
    , @Peripatetic commenter
    I had to look up Jennifer Lawrence to see who she is, but then, I haven't seen many movies in the last 10 years ...

    This tidbit (from https://infogalactic.com/info/Jennifer_Lawrence) was interesting:

    Lawrence is known in the media for being a vocal advocate of feminism and gender equality
     
    when compared to this:

    http://stanmed.stanford.edu/2017spring/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different.html
    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    Chris Pratt is really still making his transition from overweight comedic TV actor to leading man though.

    I suspect we'll see Lawrence's replacement sooner rather than later.
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  86. There are interesting things in Infogalactic:

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Nicolás_Maduro#Family_background

    Racially, Maduro has indicated that he identifies as mestizo (“mixed [race]“), stating that he includes as a part of his mestizaje (“racial mixture”) admixture from the Indigenous peoples of the Americas and Africans.[24] He stated in a 2013 interview that “my grandparents were Jewish, from a Sephardic Moorish background, and converted to Catholicism in Venezuela.”

    and …

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Fusion_GPS#Supporting_corrupt_officials_in_Venezuela

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  87. OT, but the left seems to be developing a taste for its own flesh:

    http://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Mandy-Patinkin-Withdraws-From-Broadways-GREAT-COMET-Following-Casting-Controversy-20170728

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer ideology.

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    It wasn't enough that the female lead was already black , in a show set in 19th century Russia. And not some mulatta but a rich chocolatey black so you couldn't miss it. But they had to make the male lead also black. And apparently once you cast a black in a part that part has to stay black forever - there's no going back. Every show must be Hamilton from now on. Since Broadway casting is now "colorblind" I'm waiting for them to revive Ain't Misbehavin' with a mixed race cast. Fences, The Color Purple, Sistas, etc. - these are all great candidates for colorblind casting, right?
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  88. @seth
    Kevin Myers should have been fired just for his obnoxiously snotty tone. "With whose work I am tragically unacquainted..."

    May I note that in addition to the inestimable privilege of having been born to a Jewish family, Claudia Winkleman (note spelling) is also the sister-in-law to Lord Frederick Windsor, 46th in line to the British throne?

    I wonder how many other members of the top-10 list are similarly possessed of royal connections? There are all kinds of networks of privilege.

    Ms. Winkleman ‘s family seems wired with journalism connections (from Wikipedia):

    Winkleman …[is]…the daughter of Eve Pollard, former editor of the Sunday Express, and Barry Winkleman ……former publisher of The Times Atlas of the World. Her parents divorced when she was three…[and her] mother married Sir Nicholas Lloyd, former editor of the Daily Express.

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    So what you are saying is that Mr. and Mrs. Jews get married and have a Jewish child then get divorced to go off to have romps with well connected Gentiles... It's a case of having your cake and keeping it too, no?
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  89. Jack D says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    Occam's Razor dictates that the reason lady presenters are paid less is that they have a sharp career trajectory (the rise faster than men in the industry and fall faster than men as well) and that it is relative to their years of peak attractiveness.

    This was the likely explanation for why female movie leads are paid less than their male counterparts and why the hullabaloo is nonsense. Bradley Cooper was paid more than Jennifer Lawrence because Lawrence is eminently more replaceable by the next early twentysomething ingenue. But the flip side is that while Bradley Cooper was toiling in obscurity in bit parts in television shows and straight to DVD movies (remember him as the psycho boyfriend in Wedding Crashers?), Lawrence's rise to prominence was meteoric. She didn't have the ten plus years of couch surfing and supplementing meager acting income by waiting tables like Cooper and Clooney. Also note the cannibalistic nature of female leads - the new one on the scene tends to push out her elder sisters when they are deemed too old to play the female leads (think Ashley Judd, who complains about not getting roles like she used to do). It's a bit hypocritical to take advantage of Hollywood's favor for young female leads on the front end (while pushing out the old gray mares) and then complain about not getting roles when you get pushed out in favor of the new girl.

    I think you make a pretty good argument, and all without bring the Joos into it. That being said, I think he was talking about TV news presenters where the women have a longer shelf life than starlets. The chief presenter of the PBS Newshour is Judy Woodruff who is pushing 70 and has reached the point where I have to avert my eyes from the screen because it is so painful to look at her withered neck and wrinkles. Barbara Walters is 87 and still seen on TV now and then.

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    I haven't seen her recently, but Diane Sawyer has looked great for many, many years. Not news personalities, but Bette Midler and Bernadette Peters also have seemed to have not aged much over the years.
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  90. Jack D says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    Occam's Razor dictates that the reason lady presenters are paid less is that they have a sharp career trajectory (the rise faster than men in the industry and fall faster than men as well) and that it is relative to their years of peak attractiveness.

    This was the likely explanation for why female movie leads are paid less than their male counterparts and why the hullabaloo is nonsense. Bradley Cooper was paid more than Jennifer Lawrence because Lawrence is eminently more replaceable by the next early twentysomething ingenue. But the flip side is that while Bradley Cooper was toiling in obscurity in bit parts in television shows and straight to DVD movies (remember him as the psycho boyfriend in Wedding Crashers?), Lawrence's rise to prominence was meteoric. She didn't have the ten plus years of couch surfing and supplementing meager acting income by waiting tables like Cooper and Clooney. Also note the cannibalistic nature of female leads - the new one on the scene tends to push out her elder sisters when they are deemed too old to play the female leads (think Ashley Judd, who complains about not getting roles like she used to do). It's a bit hypocritical to take advantage of Hollywood's favor for young female leads on the front end (while pushing out the old gray mares) and then complain about not getting roles when you get pushed out in favor of the new girl.

    I think you make a pretty good argument, and all without bring the Joos into it. That being said, I think he was talking about TV news presenters where the women have a longer shelf life than starlets. The chief presenter of the PBS Newshour is Judy Woodruff who is pushing 70 and has reached the point where I have to avert my eyes from the screen because it is so painful to look at her withered neck and wrinkles. Barbara Walters is 87 and still seen on TV now and then.

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  91. @Jake
    Let's review what we can call The VDARE Pro-WASP crowd wants us to not know. The crystallization of what an American later labelled WASP culture came with the rise of the Puritans to revolutionary dismantling of what little remained of pre-Reformation English ways of seeing the world (Tolkien's Little England is a way to express those cultural values). The quintessential Father of WASP culture is thus Oliver Cromwell. VDARE-lovers know that. Over the years, VDARE has posted many articles praising Cromwell and the Puritans more generally. At times that praise has been quite specific: Cromwell was great because he delighted in slaughtering white natives of the British Isles that he and the WASPs deemed to be inferior.

    So how would Oliver Cromwell view this situation under discusstion, which is the same as asking: what will the truest WASPs think about this?

    The answer is very simple: Cromwell went to bed with Jews, taking their loans and inviting them back into England, while he also saw the Irish especially (and a clear majority of British isles natives more generally) as inherently inferior and worthy only to slaughter and remover from their lands.

    WASP culture was born of a Judaizing heresy. WASP culture has always been pro-Jewish and violently, culturally-genocidally anti-all whites who are NOT WASPs.

    So. old Ollie Cromwell, Godfather of WASPs, would say: WASPs, the true blue WASPs, always promote Jews and despise the Irish as grossly, insufferably, inferior.

    Yeah cause when I think of Cromwell and the New Model Army I think of slut walks and pride parades.

    Its always amazing how the very real JQ issues around here get overtaken by the same type of commenter squealing about how icky Cromwell was.

    He’s already been dug up and tried once already, ffs.

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    That's the problem. You don't think of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism as the Judaizing heresy it was, and thus you cannot see its inherent fruits. You don't think of Cromwell as a man who despised the vast majority of British Isles natives as fit only to be slaughtered and driven off their land while he jumped into bed with Jews and Jewish money, thus meaning you cannot see the inherent fruits of Cromwell.

    And so people like you serve to keep us on this path that is one of cultural suicide.
    , @Hibernian
    The link between the Puritans and modern"Progressives" is their extreme arrogance and twisted sense of mission. They rebelled against the established Anglican church and established one of their own, punishing dissenters such as Quakers. We now have an established church of environmental extremism, mandatory baking of same sex wedding cakes, etc.

    Also Cromwell was bad for both the British and the Irish; he was a Cathedral vandal in Britain.
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  92. iffen says:
    @Jack D
    This goes beyond mere who/whomism. Under current PC standards, even if you were arguing about what qualities are needed to be a good NFL cornerback, it would probably be off base to mention race, but if we lived in a sane world it would be OK. But if you are having an argument about gender equality, then by any standard it is coming from left field to bring race, religion, etc. into the argument.

    This goes beyond mere who/whomism.

    No it doesn’t. Which groups have greater representation in the better paid group and why? Not to mention the problem of who has the “right” to define the groups.

    … even if you were arguing about what qualities are needed to be a good NFL cornerback, it would probably be off base to mention race …

    Really. Race is a quality?

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  93. Jack D says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Bradley Cooper was paid more than Jennifer Lawrence because Lawrence is eminently more replaceable by the next early twentysomething ingenue.
     
    You're right that Bradley Cooper and George Clooney paid their dues in small roles for years before becoming leading men, because leading men tend to be older than leading actresses (just checking now, and the youngest-looking leading men I can think of, Chris Pine and Ryan Gosling, are 36). And by the time Jennifer Lawrence is Bradley Cooper's age (42), she won't be getting the same roles. But she is not "eminently more replaceable" now. There's no actress close to her age with the same level of critical and box office success. She's won a best actress Oscar plus a bunch of other awards, and she's starred in critically acclaimed small films as well as big box office ones such as the X-Men and Hunger Games movies.

    And in that sci-fi movie she starred in with Chris Pratt (38), she made more money than him.

    But Jennifer Lawrence is still only 26. What is her “sell by” date for female ingenue roles? 32? Felicity Jones was 32 when Rogue One was released. How much longer will she be able to get such roles? There are a lot of Hollywood actresses whose big screen careers are OVER when they hit 35. Even you say that 42 is beyond the limit. We are genetically programmed to regard postmenopausal woman as unsuitable for mating and therefore not sexually attractive.

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    Even you say that 42 is beyond the limit.
     
    I didn't say she wouldn't be acting at 42, just that she wouldn't have the same roles. Amy Adams is a year older than Bradley Cooper and she's pretty active in Hollywood. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jennifer Lawrence still acting when she's Amy Adams's age.
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  94. The Narrative has a strange kind of cognitive dissonance. When those at the top are white men, they have not earned that place, but have obtained it either by conspiracy or by unconscious bias. When those at the top are Jews, it is a career-limiting move to suggest the same explanations. In fact is it a crime even to notice that they are at the top.

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  95. guest says:
    @Karl
    next, iSteve will be telling us that there are LOTS of shiksas who can write and deliver Borscht-belt quality stand-up.

    Negros dominate the NBA ===for a reason===

    mixed white guys dominate NASCAR ===for a reason===

    Hebrews dominate media ===for a reason=== And they appear to prefer to fight back against getting called on it, so that they don't end up where Swedish men have ended up

    god-damn iSteve, what is this.... your first rodeo?

    “So they don’t end up where Swedish men have ended up.”

    That’s what Israel is for. I feel sorry for Swedes, but I wouldn’t if they infiltrated Norway, took over its media culture, and damned to hell any Norbagges who dared to identify them.

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  96. Jack D says:
    @candid_observer
    OT, but the left seems to be developing a taste for its own flesh:

    http://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Mandy-Patinkin-Withdraws-From-Broadways-GREAT-COMET-Following-Casting-Controversy-20170728

    Couldn't happen to a nicer ideology.

    It wasn’t enough that the female lead was already black , in a show set in 19th century Russia. And not some mulatta but a rich chocolatey black so you couldn’t miss it. But they had to make the male lead also black. And apparently once you cast a black in a part that part has to stay black forever – there’s no going back. Every show must be Hamilton from now on. Since Broadway casting is now “colorblind” I’m waiting for them to revive Ain’t Misbehavin’ with a mixed race cast. Fences, The Color Purple, Sistas, etc. – these are all great candidates for colorblind casting, right?

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    Maybe it's revenge for the West having depicted Jesus and Disciples(except for Judas) as 'Aryans' than as Semites.
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  97. @Dave Pinsen
    Thomas O. Meehan may share Steely Dan's view on this: "Oh no -- William and Marry won't do!"
    https://youtu.be/YDAFsFeskKE?t=35s

    You beat me to it.

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  98. @Dave Pinsen

    Bradley Cooper was paid more than Jennifer Lawrence because Lawrence is eminently more replaceable by the next early twentysomething ingenue.
     
    You're right that Bradley Cooper and George Clooney paid their dues in small roles for years before becoming leading men, because leading men tend to be older than leading actresses (just checking now, and the youngest-looking leading men I can think of, Chris Pine and Ryan Gosling, are 36). And by the time Jennifer Lawrence is Bradley Cooper's age (42), she won't be getting the same roles. But she is not "eminently more replaceable" now. There's no actress close to her age with the same level of critical and box office success. She's won a best actress Oscar plus a bunch of other awards, and she's starred in critically acclaimed small films as well as big box office ones such as the X-Men and Hunger Games movies.

    And in that sci-fi movie she starred in with Chris Pratt (38), she made more money than him.

    I had to look up Jennifer Lawrence to see who she is, but then, I haven’t seen many movies in the last 10 years …

    This tidbit (from https://infogalactic.com/info/Jennifer_Lawrence) was interesting:

    Lawrence is known in the media for being a vocal advocate of feminism and gender equality

    when compared to this:

    http://stanmed.stanford.edu/2017spring/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different.html

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  99. On July 19, The Guardian published a list of the 96 on-air employees of the BBC who were paid more than 150,000 pounds/year

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jul/19/who-earns-what-among-bbcs-top-talent

    Chris Evans (2,200,000-2,249,000 pounds p.a.) and Gary Lineker (1,750,000-1,799,000 pounds p.a.) were the top two. Compensation dropped significantly over the next several places in the ranking.

    Claudia Winkleman came in at #9 (450,000-499,000 pounds) and Vanessa Feltz at # 15 (350,000-399,000 pounds). While paid much less than the top men, they were the highest paid women.

    I can’t tell for sure how many of the 96 are Jewish, but the only other names that strike me as likely to be Jewish are: Len Goodman (#54 at 200,000-249,000), Alan Yentob (#57 at 200,000-249,000), and Simon Schama (#96 at 150,000-199,000).

    By my reckoning then, Jews appear to be slightly under 5% of the top-paid BBC staff and the two Jewish women are paid much more than the (I’m guessing) three Jewish men.

    As mentioned in my post above (#79), Winkleman’s family connections seem ideal for a journalism career, with her mother, father, and stepfather all senior editors of British newspapers.

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    Are you saying that nepotism is important as far as journalism careers are concerned?
    , @eah
    https://twitter.com/morgoth_rev/status/891702756624527360
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  100. AM says:
    @Jack D

    And they despite their high intelligence they never seem to figure out what it is that causes this animosity
     
    But the Zionists did figure this out and decided that in order to end it the Jews had to get their own country (back on the territory they originally came from and which was taken from them by the Romans) where they could only oppress each other and not be accused of oppressing the goyim, and when they got it, people told them that they were racist oppressors and colonialists and were occupying the territory illegally and should go back to where they came from. When my father was growing up in Poland, he often heard the slogan "Jews to Palestine!" from the (numerous) local anti-Semites but now I hear "Jews out of Palestine" instead. From this you might infer that some people would prefer that the Jews should simply not exist anywhere, period.

    From this you might infer that some people would prefer that the Jews should simply not exist anywhere, period.

    She got the summary of Jewish history dead on correct. This is, at best, an obvious attempt at self-pity and coming up with that mysterious hatred, when in reality I’d rather just not think about JQ and hope you all make it to Heaven somehow, too, someday. Repeated attempts to force the pity will in fact create open hostility in all but the most resistant of people, just like she pointed out. High IQs apparently lead to a special kind of maroon.

    Jews bumble around the world, still under the special protection of a God most of the off the wagons have a hard time even believing exists, while bemoaning the separation between themselves and others while simultaneously cheering it along. If being Jewish bothers you that much, there’s always the door marked “Christianity”.

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    1st of all, adopting Christianity means letting the bastard win. 2nd, history say it doesn't work - the Inquisition kept on persecuting Jews AFTER they converted (accused them of not REALLY converting). Ditto the Nazis.
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  101. peterike says:
    @Jack D

    And they despite their high intelligence they never seem to figure out what it is that causes this animosity
     
    But the Zionists did figure this out and decided that in order to end it the Jews had to get their own country (back on the territory they originally came from and which was taken from them by the Romans) where they could only oppress each other and not be accused of oppressing the goyim, and when they got it, people told them that they were racist oppressors and colonialists and were occupying the territory illegally and should go back to where they came from. When my father was growing up in Poland, he often heard the slogan "Jews to Palestine!" from the (numerous) local anti-Semites but now I hear "Jews out of Palestine" instead. From this you might infer that some people would prefer that the Jews should simply not exist anywhere, period.

    But the Zionists did figure this out and decided that in order to end it the Jews had to get their own country… where they could only oppress each other and not be accused of oppressing the goyim

    And so then they all left the other countries and stopped oppressing the goyim? Oh yeah, still waiting for that part to happen.

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    And so then they all left the other countries and stopped oppressing the goyim? Oh yeah, still waiting for that part to happen.
     
    There was also that part where pretty much they were given Israel. Not exactly like an army of bad asked international Hebrew warriors took the place. Thankfully, they got their mojo back and an army, although I wish they'd stop expecting handouts from the US.

    But never miss an opportunity to be a victim, even as he thinks his Jewish ancestors who kept the faith were total dopes.

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  102. Bill B. says:
    @sabril
    His language is a bit flowery to decipher, but his position seems to be that

    (1) if men are paid more than women, it's because men work harder and are more deserving;

    (2) if Jews are paid more than non-Jews, it's because Jews are pushy and demanding.

    So it does seem that he is doing more than just "mentioning Jews," it seems he is applying a double-standard and invalidating Jewish accomplishments, which is a pretty common trope among anti-Semites.

    The whole scandal of ‘underpaid’ presenter women at the BBC is nonsense. These people are paid as stars. Their salaries are not like those of factory workers or doctors.

    The men are paid more because the BBC thinks they have greater star quality.

    That might be debatable but the same goes for Hollywood and a lot of sport.

    I think Myers was trying to say this.

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    The whole scandal of ‘underpaid’ presenter women at the BBC is nonsense.
     
    For the most part I agree. Although I think men get paid more not just because they are better workers, but also because they push harder for higher salaries. Which is understandable, because there is more social pressure on men to make money and also because men usually don't have a spouse they can go to and ask for more money.

    If the author had simply pointed this out, he would not have been perceived as anti-Semitic. The problem is that not only did he bring up Jews, he pulled out an unfair double standard and attempted to invalidate Jewish accomplishment. This is typical thinking among anti-Semites.
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  103. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Should have said ‘White People’.

    Then, she would have been lauded.

    A sheep dog must herd the sheep, not the shepherd.

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  104. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D
    It wasn't enough that the female lead was already black , in a show set in 19th century Russia. And not some mulatta but a rich chocolatey black so you couldn't miss it. But they had to make the male lead also black. And apparently once you cast a black in a part that part has to stay black forever - there's no going back. Every show must be Hamilton from now on. Since Broadway casting is now "colorblind" I'm waiting for them to revive Ain't Misbehavin' with a mixed race cast. Fences, The Color Purple, Sistas, etc. - these are all great candidates for colorblind casting, right?

    Maybe it’s revenge for the West having depicted Jesus and Disciples(except for Judas) as ‘Aryans’ than as Semites.

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  105. @Anonymous

    In 2009, he wrote a column for The Belfast Telegraph ... “There was no Holocaust, and six million Jews were not murdered by the Third Reich.” The article accepted that there had been a deliberate mass genocide against the Jews of Europe, but said that the term “holocaust” was inaccurate and that the exact number of dead could not be known.

    ... In 2005, Mr. Myers was widely criticized for a column in The Irish Times in which he referred to the children of single parents as “bastards.” Writing about foreign aid to Africa in The Irish Independent in 2008, he said that in contrast, “Africa, with its vast savannahs and its lush pastures, is giving almost nothing to anyone, apart from AIDS.”
     
    But to peddle the existence of a stereotype about Jews, that they drive hard bargains? No, sir, that is crossing the line.

    I agree this is the oddest aspect of the Kevin Myers case. Either no one noticed his 2009 article (seems unlikely) or no one cared.

    So, he can be published in 2009 writing that there was no holocaust; and that article remained online until this past weekend when a furor erupted over the mention of two Jewish women in an article on whether women, in general, should be paid as much as men in broadcasting.

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  106. LondonBob says:
    @jack ryan
    Karl I think Hebrews dominate the "American" media for a reason, the same reason Italian Americans dominated the highest levels of organized crime from the 1920s - 1970s.

    It's an ethnic mafia that strongly excludes people not in this ethnic/tribe.

    Ted Turner married Hanoi Jane Fonda, adopted near perfect Left Coast Lib politics, merged CNN Turner Broadcasting with Time Warner Inc headed by Gerald Levin....

    Ted Turner was not accepted in to this West Coast, Hollywood Jewish Media Mafia and Ted Turner was practically never heard from again.

    If Italians dominated organised crime why was Meyer Lansky the chairman of the board? Bugsy Siegel, Moe Dalitz, Mickey Cohen, Jack Ruby, Murder Inc., Arnold Rothstein, the Purple Gang etc.

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    Hush now! Chilens is watching cartoons and ain't no need be talking all grown up talk now... no siree, it sure ain't the right time.
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  107. @Dave Pinsen

    Bradley Cooper was paid more than Jennifer Lawrence because Lawrence is eminently more replaceable by the next early twentysomething ingenue.
     
    You're right that Bradley Cooper and George Clooney paid their dues in small roles for years before becoming leading men, because leading men tend to be older than leading actresses (just checking now, and the youngest-looking leading men I can think of, Chris Pine and Ryan Gosling, are 36). And by the time Jennifer Lawrence is Bradley Cooper's age (42), she won't be getting the same roles. But she is not "eminently more replaceable" now. There's no actress close to her age with the same level of critical and box office success. She's won a best actress Oscar plus a bunch of other awards, and she's starred in critically acclaimed small films as well as big box office ones such as the X-Men and Hunger Games movies.

    And in that sci-fi movie she starred in with Chris Pratt (38), she made more money than him.

    Chris Pratt is really still making his transition from overweight comedic TV actor to leading man though.

    I suspect we’ll see Lawrence’s replacement sooner rather than later.

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    I'm not much of a Jennifer Lawrence fan, to be honest (I find her offscreen personality annoying), but Winter's Bone came out 7 years ago, and there's no one her age or younger who's made anything close to her impact critically or at the box office. So, I'd guess her replacement will come later rather than sooner.
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  108. anonguy says:
    @Jack D
    It wasn't just noticing that these 2 reporters were Jewish. It was, first of all, noticing in connection with an offensive (if back-handedly complimentary) stereotype - that they are Jewish and therefore hard bargainers. And in bringing up this stereotype unnecessarily in connection with a completely unrelated argument about sex discrimination. In case you have been living in a hole for last 30 years, it's no longer OK to publicly pronounce stereotypes about minorities, even positive ones, such as "blacks are really good dancers" , especially out of the blue in an article about why male movie stars make more $ than female stars. Maybe it should be OK but Myers was incredibly out of touch with the Current Year if he thought that he could still talk this way in public and not expect backlash.

    Maybe it should be OK but Myers was incredibly out of touch with the Current Year if he thought that he could still talk this way in public and not expect backlash.

    Maybe he was ready to retire – it does seem incredibly out of touch, especially for a journalist.

    We already have suicide by cop, maybe a new phenomenon is emerging, (career) suicide by un-PC remark.

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  109. The Jews who have disproportionate power in the corporate propaganda apparatus must become a political issue. It would be easy to tie the hostile Jews in the corporate media to the Black Lives Matter mob. The corporate media was cheerleading and covering up the misdeeds of the Black Lives Matter mob.

    A political candidate would simply ask rhetorical questions about why certain events and trends are reported in the manner they are in the corporate media. A political candidate could also link together the disproportionate power of the Jews in the corporate media with the overwhelming support for the Democrat Party in the corporate media.

    The Jerusalem Post says Jews contribute 50 percent of all loot for the Democrat Party:

    US Jews contribute half of all donations to the Democratic Party – US Elections – Jerusalem Post http://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/US-Jews-contribute-half-of-all-donations-to-the-Democratic-party-468774

    The Jews who fund the Democrat Party want to see the United States flooded with Third Worlders. The Jews who fund the Democrat Party are using mass immigration as a demographic weapon to attack the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    Shelly Adelson is a billionaire Jew who funds the politician whores in the Republican Party. Perhaps Adelson has bought the open borders mass immigration policy of the Republican Party in the same way that David Gelbaum bought the open borders mass immigration policy of the Sierra Club.

    The Jew billionaires who have funded the Democrat Party for decades have now become a millstone around the neck of the Democrat Party. The Jew billionaires who control the Democrat Party thought that mass immigration had given them a demographic stranglehold on presidential politics in the United States. The Jew billionaires who control the Democrat Party were dead wrong.

    White Core Americans are rejecting the anti-White Democrat Party in droves. White Core Americans understand that the Democrat Party is trying to inundate the United States with mass immigration. White Core Americans are wondering if they have anything in common with the politician whores in the Democrat Party who carry out the orders of billionaire Jew donors.

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    The GOP has recently been shown not to have our back either.
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  110. The Jewish Council in Ireland has issued a statement defending Myers, which is interesting. Here in Europe, the general impression I get is that Jews are less susceptible to the type of anti-white gentile propaganda which dominates the upper echelons of American Jewry. I suppose that the reality that Muslims are the true source of danger to Jewish security in the 21st century is more difficult to ignore when one’s equivalent of Mexico is North Africa and the Middle East. My feeling on Myers is that the anti-Semitism trope is just a convenient excuse to continue the PC purge of Irish journalism and public life that has been happening since at least 2011. Of course, a major source of this intolerant attitude in Irish officialdom is an unconscious aping of positions that reflect the insecurities of American Jews born in the early to mid 20th century like George Soros. As is often the case, I’m left wondering what Mr. Netanyahu thinks.

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    The Jewish Council in Ireland has issued a statement defending Myers
     
    There is a reason for that!!!!

    For the last couple of years the International Jewish response has been increasingly aggressive "OY Vey, Shut it Down". But that is no longer working!!!

    After the doxing hundreds of young Alt-Righters and getting them fired from their wage cuck jobs they have had no other alternative but to begin building their own internet infrastructure.

    The paid goons of the Jewish establishment, the pathetic AntiFa are getting their buts kicked and losing credibility. SoundCloud and Twitter are both struggling for having embraced PC. Patreon is now creating space for a true competitor that respects the 1st Amendment.

    In the next week Myers is sure to show up on Red Ice Radio, AmRen, Vdare, The 2Kevins, The Right Stuff.biz, Stefan Molyneux.... before finding a new home at the UNZ review.

    It's starting to happen folks!!!

    , @Matra
    My feeling on Myers is that the anti-Semitism trope is just a convenient excuse to continue the PC purge of Irish journalism and public life that has been happening since at least 2011.

    He's always been provocative ("Africa is giving nothing to anyone – apart from AIDS") and, it must be said, careless with his language so it's actually a surprise he lasted this long.

    , @Bill B.
    Kevin Myers is a very strong pubic supporter of Israel. Ironically.

    This is significant in a country where many political operators and pundits have embraced the pc Palestinian cause.

    Myers is not an anti-semite in any shape or form.


    I think that may have something to do with the Jewish Council of Ireland coming out to support him.
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  111. AM says:
    @peterike

    But the Zionists did figure this out and decided that in order to end it the Jews had to get their own country... where they could only oppress each other and not be accused of oppressing the goyim

     

    And so then they all left the other countries and stopped oppressing the goyim? Oh yeah, still waiting for that part to happen.

    And so then they all left the other countries and stopped oppressing the goyim? Oh yeah, still waiting for that part to happen.

    There was also that part where pretty much they were given Israel. Not exactly like an army of bad asked international Hebrew warriors took the place. Thankfully, they got their mojo back and an army, although I wish they’d stop expecting handouts from the US.

    But never miss an opportunity to be a victim, even as he thinks his Jewish ancestors who kept the faith were total dopes.

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  112. @PV van der Byl
    On July 19, The Guardian published a list of the 96 on-air employees of the BBC who were paid more than 150,000 pounds/year

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jul/19/who-earns-what-among-bbcs-top-talent

    Chris Evans (2,200,000-2,249,000 pounds p.a.) and Gary Lineker (1,750,000-1,799,000 pounds p.a.) were the top two. Compensation dropped significantly over the next several places in the ranking.

    Claudia Winkleman came in at #9 (450,000-499,000 pounds) and Vanessa Feltz at # 15 (350,000-399,000 pounds). While paid much less than the top men, they were the highest paid women.

    I can’t tell for sure how many of the 96 are Jewish, but the only other names that strike me as likely to be Jewish are: Len Goodman (#54 at 200,000-249,000), Alan Yentob (#57 at 200,000-249,000), and Simon Schama (#96 at 150,000-199,000).

    By my reckoning then, Jews appear to be slightly under 5% of the top-paid BBC staff and the two Jewish women are paid much more than the (I'm guessing) three Jewish men.

    As mentioned in my post above (#79), Winkleman's family connections seem ideal for a journalism career, with her mother, father, and stepfather all senior editors of British newspapers.

    Are you saying that nepotism is important as far as journalism careers are concerned?

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    Just putting it out there....
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  113. I just don’t understand. How long is it going to take you guys to figure out that Jews don’t like Jewish success to be mentioned except when it’s in the form of bragging?

    It’s very simple. Just don’t mention it.

    If you’d been subject to a hostile genocide recently, you wouldn’t want to be mentioned like that either.

    And what the heck was the editor thinking that published that piece? Was he drunk? It was an obvious career ender on multiple levels.

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    Maybe the reason that the Jews were [allegedly] subjected to genocide [there are no non-hostile genocides) is because they band together to ruin anyone who questions Jewish privilege, and then other ones like you come along to hysterically shriek in agreement with the evil overreaction.
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  114. @Jake
    Let's review what we can call The VDARE Pro-WASP crowd wants us to not know. The crystallization of what an American later labelled WASP culture came with the rise of the Puritans to revolutionary dismantling of what little remained of pre-Reformation English ways of seeing the world (Tolkien's Little England is a way to express those cultural values). The quintessential Father of WASP culture is thus Oliver Cromwell. VDARE-lovers know that. Over the years, VDARE has posted many articles praising Cromwell and the Puritans more generally. At times that praise has been quite specific: Cromwell was great because he delighted in slaughtering white natives of the British Isles that he and the WASPs deemed to be inferior.

    So how would Oliver Cromwell view this situation under discusstion, which is the same as asking: what will the truest WASPs think about this?

    The answer is very simple: Cromwell went to bed with Jews, taking their loans and inviting them back into England, while he also saw the Irish especially (and a clear majority of British isles natives more generally) as inherently inferior and worthy only to slaughter and remover from their lands.

    WASP culture was born of a Judaizing heresy. WASP culture has always been pro-Jewish and violently, culturally-genocidally anti-all whites who are NOT WASPs.

    So. old Ollie Cromwell, Godfather of WASPs, would say: WASPs, the true blue WASPs, always promote Jews and despise the Irish as grossly, insufferably, inferior.

    Meanwhile, in the land of historical literacy, Charles II, in fact, officially welcomed the Jews back to England and raised the first Jew to the peerage.

    Cromwell’s Whitehall Conference was inconclusive.

    From Steve’s own blogroll:

    http://racehist.blogspot.com/2010/02/basic-facts-concerning-oliver-cromwell.html?m=1

    In pre-Reformation England, until Edward I, Jews had special privileges and were protected by the monarchy.

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  115. The Z Blog says: • Website
    @Cagey Beast
    I agree with your critique of Kevin Myers writing style but is your assertion that "Americans like plain talk and hate phonies" really true? True, Americans like phonies who affect plain talk but that's as far as it goes. Do Americans hate phonies? Phonies are American folk heroes. Americans adore people who invent a public persona for themselves and insist everyone play along with it. Constructing elaborate personae is the last great American pass-time. Americans hate phonies as much as Brazilians hate soccer players.

    That’s a good point, but the utility of generalities is that they don’t get too bogged down in minutiae. In the main, Americans assume that overly affected people are phonies or lack authenticity. On the other hand, a guy doing the good old boy routine can be a gold-plated phony.

    I think the real difference is that the English and Irish think the worst possible sin is to be seen as boring. They have an array of stock characters who are mostly just dull people. If you are going to overshoot the mark as a public figure in Britain or Ireland, it is better to be a flamboyant fop than an overly serious bore. In America, it is the opposite.

    Unless you are an hysterical homosexual like Milo, which sort of proves the point.

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  116. @Jack D
    If you read the whole paragraph, it's clear that he is talking about hard bargaining and not nepotism.

    Here is his logical argument, which is sorta weak I think, even aside from the reliance on stereotypes:

    1. W and F are Jewish.
    2. Jews are noted for their hard bargaining and are no doubt represented by the best, most hard bargaining talent agents.
    3. Other lesser paid female reporters are no doubt represented by these same agents who drive equally hard bargains and achieve the best possible results on their behalf .
    4. Therefore, these lesser paid females are already being paid a market rate and their lower pay is a reflection of their actual value and not a result of gender discrimination.

    The weakness, aside from the stereotypes, is in "no doubt" qualifications - he is assuming facts not in evidence. Maybe the nice goyish lady reporters are too reticent or too anti-Semitic to hire hard driving (Jewish) talent agents. Their bosses offer them 70 cents on the dollar (70 pence on the pound) because they hate women/ think they can get away with it and they take it because they are too nice to bargain. If Jews are noted for their hard bargaining then non-Jews must be noted for their not-hard bargaining, I guess.

    Bringing Jews into the thing was really unnecessary. Points #1 and 2 could have been that W and F are top paid and no doubt represented by the best agents without bringing their ethnicity into it at all. The mark of the anti-Semite is that he brings up Jewishness when it is not really germane to the subject at hand. Here we are talking about gender discrimination and suddenly he brings Joos into the argument for no particularly good reason.

    Regarding nepotism, you could conceivably argue (though he doesn't, because it would actually undermine the point he is trying to make) that the agents try harder for their coreligionists (assuming that the agents are also Jewish, which he doesn't state either) and this explains why they make more than other female reporters. It's at least as strong as the argument that he is trying to make.

    The mark of the anti-Semite is that he brings up Jewishness when it is not really germane to the subject at hand.

    In theory, perhaps. But in practise the mark of the “anti-semite” is his conviction that it’s permissible to criticize Jews, just as it’s permissible to criticize any other group of people on the planet.

    To my way of thinking, the problem isn’t criticism per se, but rather dumb criticism. And when it comes to Jews, there is truly no end of that. What makes it even worse is that opportunities for good criticism positively abound.

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    To my way of thinking, the problem isn’t criticism per se, but rather dumb criticism.
     
    I guess in the eyes of "Komment Kontrol" (remember him?), my subsequent comments have fallen into that latter category, since they evidently failed to pass censorial muster.
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  117. Altai says:

    Am Irish, can confirm fully amused to see the rat take a dive over this. He thought they were his friends, bless. At least he can serve as a nice example in public death.

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    Michael Caine is an Irish columnist?!
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  119. @dearieme
    I thought that Myers' comment was both daft and dull. The highest paid men on the list weren't (as far as I know) Jewish. That seems to me to make nonsense of his point, reducing it to little more than vulgar abuse. Sacking him seems over the top but that's the world we live in.

    Still, we can say whatever we like about Christians. 'Delusional dimwits!' There you are: see what I mean? Well, about white Christians anyway. White, male, heterosexual Christians, at least.

    This whole thing forces me to consider that obnoxious Jewish women may the equal of obnoxious white males, if not perhaps the equal of obnoxious Jewish males. But who is?

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  120. Jake says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Yeah cause when I think of Cromwell and the New Model Army I think of slut walks and pride parades.

    Its always amazing how the very real JQ issues around here get overtaken by the same type of commenter squealing about how icky Cromwell was.

    He's already been dug up and tried once already, ffs.

    That’s the problem. You don’t think of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism as the Judaizing heresy it was, and thus you cannot see its inherent fruits. You don’t think of Cromwell as a man who despised the vast majority of British Isles natives as fit only to be slaughtered and driven off their land while he jumped into bed with Jews and Jewish money, thus meaning you cannot see the inherent fruits of Cromwell.

    And so people like you serve to keep us on this path that is one of cultural suicide.

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    Yeah I'm the one pushing us towards cultural suicide while you're fighting the good fight with your monomania about the English Civil War and Cromwell in blog comments.

    Oh boy.
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  121. You guys are missing a major point.

    All that Kevin Myers did was present for a goyim audience information that was lauded earlier in the Jewish media, namely the Jewish Chronicle.

    https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/are-jews-an-ethnic-minority-the-bbc-doesn-t-think-so-1.441775

    When the BBC reported on its list of highest-paid broadcasters on its News at Ten last night, it said there was no one from an ethnic background in the top 20.

    Which was wrong (well, wrong depending on your definition of ethnic minority). For the top 20 included two Jewish women – Claudia Winkleman and Vanessa Feltz.

    also:

    Legally, however, Jews are clearly an ethnic, as well as religious minority, since they are protected under the Race Relations Act (as are Sikhs).

    Lets face it, a major part of Alt-Right media whether it is Steve Sailer, VDARE, The Daily Stormer, The Right Stuff, or for that matter, yes, David Duke is simply the rehashing of information that appears right out in the open in the Jewish media daily. And when you really make the effort to uncover the kryptos (AKA the Jon Stewarts, A. O. Scotts etc etc), what media today is not Jewish?

    And if it is not outright Jewish, it’s otherwise pathetic Shabbos Goys trying not to run afoul of their Jewish masters. Of which the other 99.9% of Greg Easterbrook’s career working for Michael Kinsley and his boss Marty Peretz at The New Republic is a prime example. 90% of what the Alt-Right does is ever so slightly reframe previously published by Jews for Jews material for the goyim to notice what is going on.

    This entire episode is simple another case of a goyim letting the other goyim know what the Jews are already talking about among themselves.

    For example whole affair was well covered by TheDailyStormer early this morning. And while I know many of us boomer generation Alt-Righters here would claim to turn up their noses at The Stormer it is hard to believe that much of Steve’s audience is not reading it as well. Including Steve? I am sure the Stormer kids and certainly its staff are reading Sailer as well.

    As Lee Rogers at TheDailyStormer put it

    https://www.dailystormer.com/sunday-times-ireland-fires-columnist-for-questioning-why-bbcs-highest-paid-females-are-jews/

    Apparently it is OK for a Jew to talk to other Jews about such things but not for a non-Jew to do it.

    Oh well. This is just another case of Jewish privilege. If somebody says something that you feel leads to too much goyim knowing, you can just call up and get them fired. You can also get a gushing apology.

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    "No one from an ethnic background"

    What, were they raised in labs? I know "ethnic" is codeword for non-white, but it occasionally strikes me in the face that They think people like me are an ethnic blank.

    I'm of mixed Western European stock, mostly Scottish, Irish, German and Swiss. Born and raised in the U.S., which got most of its culture from England. I was raised Catholic and have studied the classics of Ancient Greece and Rome, with which I feel a distant affinity. I'm roughly familiar with European High Culture, especially history, art, and philosophy.

    Look for my ethnicity, and what do you find? Nothing. I don't have one.
    , @guest
    "Apparently it's OK for a Jew to talk to other Jews about such things but not for a non-Jew to do it"

    Duh. Where has this guy been?

    The crime isn't pointing out Jewishness. It's pointing out Jewishness to potential gas chamber operators. (That means you, average white person.)
    , @AM

    And while I know many of us boomer generation Alt-Righters here would claim to turn up their noses at The Stormer it is hard to believe that much of Steve’s audience is not reading it as well.
     
    I was and am fascinated by the alt-right's ability to talk freely about the JQ. I've read and thought enough about it, though, that I'm thoroughly sick of the matter. I don't want yet another article explaining how one sneaky, fallen Jew is going to ruin Western Civilization while we ignore the 9 other ex-Christians that can't keep their pants on and/or are consumed with me, myself, and I.

    Jews in high places are symptom of a rotting elite class (or completely collapsed). It's right there in the OT, in the story of Joseph, in marvelous example form. Endless articles fascinated by how a group of ambitious, perpetual outsiders think and act in similar ways are another sign of the decline to me. And boring on top of it all.

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  122. Talking about American politics without mentioning the Jews is a little like talking about the NBA without mentioning the Chicago Bulls. Not that the Jews are all-powerful, let alone all bad. But they are successful, and therefore powerful enough: and their power is unique in being off-limits to normal criticism even when it’s highly visible. They themselves behave as if their success were a guilty secret, and they panic, and resort to accusations, as soon as the subject is raised. Jewish control of the major media in the media age makes the enforced silence both paradoxical and paralyzing. Survival in public life requires that you know all about it, but never refer to it. A hypocritical etiquette forces us to pretend that the Jews are powerless victims; and if you don’t respect their victimhood, they’ll destroy you. It’s a phenomenal display not of wickedness, really, but of fierce ethnocentrism, a sort of furtive racial superpatriotism.

    Joe Sobran

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    yes but we apparently have zero leaders with any ethninationalist tendencies so it was easy pickings. They are morally wrong to exploit us but our so called leaders like the Bushes need to tried for treason.
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  123. @The Z Blog
    Modern Irish seem to be much better speakers than writers. I find modern Irish writing, the sort in the press, to be pointlessly effusive. There's a foaming at the mouth vibe to it. Americans like plain talk and hate phonies, so the English and Irish can strike us a bit false, but Irish writing today is turgid.

    Ha ha you said “turgid.”

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    Ha ha you said “turgid.”
    Better than flaccid.
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  124. EriK says:
    @Bugg
    Jonathan Lebowitz doesn't roll off the tongue. Having an obviously ethnic Jewish name hasn't slowed down Jerry Seinfeld nor Larry David.

    Jerry’s favorite Jewish joke.

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    Thanks, I'll post.
    , @Clyde
    Sam Kinison was funnier.
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  125. Matra says:
    @Dan Hayes
    Anonymous:

    As you've chronicled, over the course of his career Myers has written many spot-on things (at least according to me and I would expect many members of the UR universe).

    While Myers was born in England to Irish immigrant parents, he was educated in Ireland and his whole career has essentially been in Irish journalism. My beef with him is that he has almost always been an almost groveling British apologist for British interests with regard to Ireland. Somehow the native Irish let him get away with this nonsense which is a characteristic defect of the Irish psyche.

    As being reported here, other groups are nowhere as forgiving for slights either real, or in this case imagined!

    My beef with him is that he has almost always been an almost groveling British apologist for British interests with regard to Ireland.

    “British interests” sounds scary but in reality what you mean is that Myers sees the Protestants as human beings with agency and, yes, interests, rather than Sinn Fein caricatures.

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    It's not really that simple. For a long time, most of the Irish media has been characterized by a sort of genteel upper class liberalism coupled with an ambivalence to the idea of a United Ireland, a (justified) antipathy towards Sinn Fein, and a (much more pronounced in the past two decades) hostility towards Catholicism. This has lead to an Anglophilic worldview where the cognoscenti of the Irish media, in conjunction with the universities and financial sector, take their cues from the British elites. The Irish Times, for example, did not get it's first Catholic editor until the 1980s, which is notable in a country that had been well over 90 percent Catholic and very devout until quite recently. This in turn has influenced the country's outlook on issues of nationalism, culture and sovereignty. It had little to do with the Presbyterians in the North; most of the people at the Irish Times probably loath the Northern Prods just as much as the average Shinner does, albeit for different reasons.

    I too have enjoyed reading Kevin Myers, even though I don't always agreed with him on things like his knee jerk Anglophilia or his hostility to the Irish language or Irish-Americans. His columns have generally proven to be thought provoking and he lacks the insufferable sanctimonious tone of someone like Ruth Dudley Edwards (another rightish-leaning pro-British columnist). His shunning by the media will only cause public discourse in Irish and UK media to become more of a left wing echo chamber at a time when the free speech situation in Europe has progressively worsened.
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  126. @Irish Paleo
    The Jewish Council in Ireland has issued a statement defending Myers, which is interesting. Here in Europe, the general impression I get is that Jews are less susceptible to the type of anti-white gentile propaganda which dominates the upper echelons of American Jewry. I suppose that the reality that Muslims are the true source of danger to Jewish security in the 21st century is more difficult to ignore when one's equivalent of Mexico is North Africa and the Middle East. My feeling on Myers is that the anti-Semitism trope is just a convenient excuse to continue the PC purge of Irish journalism and public life that has been happening since at least 2011. Of course, a major source of this intolerant attitude in Irish officialdom is an unconscious aping of positions that reflect the insecurities of American Jews born in the early to mid 20th century like George Soros. As is often the case, I'm left wondering what Mr. Netanyahu thinks.

    The Jewish Council in Ireland has issued a statement defending Myers

    There is a reason for that!!!!

    For the last couple of years the International Jewish response has been increasingly aggressive “OY Vey, Shut it Down”. But that is no longer working!!!

    After the doxing hundreds of young Alt-Righters and getting them fired from their wage cuck jobs they have had no other alternative but to begin building their own internet infrastructure.

    The paid goons of the Jewish establishment, the pathetic AntiFa are getting their buts kicked and losing credibility. SoundCloud and Twitter are both struggling for having embraced PC. Patreon is now creating space for a true competitor that respects the 1st Amendment.

    In the next week Myers is sure to show up on Red Ice Radio, AmRen, Vdare, The 2Kevins, The Right Stuff.biz, Stefan Molyneux…. before finding a new home at the UNZ review.

    It’s starting to happen folks!!!

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  127. Are white goys the New Jews? The evidence is accumulating.

    Like Jews, white goys are identified as the root cause of all that is wrong with the country/world.

    As happened to Jews, it has been decided that white goys cannot be trusted with their ill-gotten power and wealth and that it needs to be taken from them and handed to those more deserving.

    Just as merely being Jewish placed one under a cloud of suspicion, merely being a white goy puts one at a disadvantage in any confrontation with a non-white or non-goy (it being assumed that a white goy’s necessarily limited perspective on any issue renders him incapable of properly understanding it).

    Jewish physicists saw their work disparaged as “Jewish physics.” White goys likewise see their work discredited as “white science,” alleged to stubbornly reject input from non-whites, females, and homosexuals.

    Jews were considered an undesirable presence and emigration policy was designed to ensure rid the country of them. White goys are considered an undesirable presence and immigration policy is designed to rid the country of them.

    It was possible to be a “good Jew” – for a while. It’s possible to be a good white goy – for now.

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  128. @Jake
    That's the problem. You don't think of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism as the Judaizing heresy it was, and thus you cannot see its inherent fruits. You don't think of Cromwell as a man who despised the vast majority of British Isles natives as fit only to be slaughtered and driven off their land while he jumped into bed with Jews and Jewish money, thus meaning you cannot see the inherent fruits of Cromwell.

    And so people like you serve to keep us on this path that is one of cultural suicide.

    Yeah I’m the one pushing us towards cultural suicide while you’re fighting the good fight with your monomania about the English Civil War and Cromwell in blog comments.

    Oh boy.

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  129. Matra says:
    @Irish Paleo
    The Jewish Council in Ireland has issued a statement defending Myers, which is interesting. Here in Europe, the general impression I get is that Jews are less susceptible to the type of anti-white gentile propaganda which dominates the upper echelons of American Jewry. I suppose that the reality that Muslims are the true source of danger to Jewish security in the 21st century is more difficult to ignore when one's equivalent of Mexico is North Africa and the Middle East. My feeling on Myers is that the anti-Semitism trope is just a convenient excuse to continue the PC purge of Irish journalism and public life that has been happening since at least 2011. Of course, a major source of this intolerant attitude in Irish officialdom is an unconscious aping of positions that reflect the insecurities of American Jews born in the early to mid 20th century like George Soros. As is often the case, I'm left wondering what Mr. Netanyahu thinks.

    My feeling on Myers is that the anti-Semitism trope is just a convenient excuse to continue the PC purge of Irish journalism and public life that has been happening since at least 2011.

    He’s always been provocative (“Africa is giving nothing to anyone – apart from AIDS”) and, it must be said, careless with his language so it’s actually a surprise he lasted this long.

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    That's one way of looking at it. Another is that this is not even in the top 10 of Myers' many rhetorical peccadillos over the years and that his defenestration represents a tightening up of already puritanical standards of linguistic policing. I think that since Brexit and Trump in 2016, the first "denial" type reaction of the PC police has been to conclude that they have been too liberal in the level of debate and discourse that they have allowed and have sworn never to let such fripperies as freedom of speech permit thoughtcrime from ever being allowed to pollute the common man's ears again.
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  130. @Peripatetic commenter
    Are you saying that nepotism is important as far as journalism careers are concerned?

    Just putting it out there….

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  131. Thea says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    The Jews who have disproportionate power in the corporate propaganda apparatus must become a political issue. It would be easy to tie the hostile Jews in the corporate media to the Black Lives Matter mob. The corporate media was cheerleading and covering up the misdeeds of the Black Lives Matter mob.

    A political candidate would simply ask rhetorical questions about why certain events and trends are reported in the manner they are in the corporate media. A political candidate could also link together the disproportionate power of the Jews in the corporate media with the overwhelming support for the Democrat Party in the corporate media.

    The Jerusalem Post says Jews contribute 50 percent of all loot for the Democrat Party:

    US Jews contribute half of all donations to the Democratic Party - US Elections - Jerusalem Post http://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/US-Jews-contribute-half-of-all-donations-to-the-Democratic-party-468774

    The Jews who fund the Democrat Party want to see the United States flooded with Third Worlders. The Jews who fund the Democrat Party are using mass immigration as a demographic weapon to attack the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    Shelly Adelson is a billionaire Jew who funds the politician whores in the Republican Party. Perhaps Adelson has bought the open borders mass immigration policy of the Republican Party in the same way that David Gelbaum bought the open borders mass immigration policy of the Sierra Club.

    The Jew billionaires who have funded the Democrat Party for decades have now become a millstone around the neck of the Democrat Party. The Jew billionaires who control the Democrat Party thought that mass immigration had given them a demographic stranglehold on presidential politics in the United States. The Jew billionaires who control the Democrat Party were dead wrong.

    White Core Americans are rejecting the anti-White Democrat Party in droves. White Core Americans understand that the Democrat Party is trying to inundate the United States with mass immigration. White Core Americans are wondering if they have anything in common with the politician whores in the Democrat Party who carry out the orders of billionaire Jew donors.

    The GOP has recently been shown not to have our back either.

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    The Republican Party has been a disaster for White Core Americans. You would have to go back to Ike to find a Republican president who was decent. Reagan's 1986 amnesty for illegal alien invaders was a harbinger of doom for the California GOP. The 1990 immigration law signed and pushed by Bushy Boy #1 dramatically increased legal immigration.

    Reagan allowed the Neo-Con Jews to infiltrate the foreign policy establishment of the GOP. George W Bush allowed the Neo-Con Jews to steer the American Empire into the Iraq War debacle.

    President Trump started to jump in the polls during the New Hampshire presidential primary after he did two things: 1) Trump used the immigration issue to smash his GOP opponents and 2) Trump strongly went after the GOP ruling class and ruling class GOP stooges like Rubio and Jebby.

    The globalizer GOP that pushes open borders mass immigration, job-killing trade deal scams and Neo-Con foreign wars is just as dangerous and treasonous as the Democrat Party globalizers.
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  132. OT

    Steve, you might find this interesting. The son of the Syrian president is on the Syrian team of the Math Olympiad. Here’s a German language source for the fact that Hafez Al-Assad is, in fact, the son of the president.

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    Assad's son competed in the International Mathematical Olympiad last year too, but I don't recall any press coverage.

    Iran finished 5th this year. I am shocked to read that Iranian mathematician and Stanford professor Maryam Mirzakhani just died. She is the only woman to ever win a Fields Medal. The medal is awarded to those under age 40 and ironically she died at 40. She won a gold medal at the IMO both of the years that she attended with a perfect score the second year.
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  133. @sabril

    Ah pffffft.
     
    I think you are whitewashing this columnist's remarks. As far as I can tell, he never considers the possibility that men are paid more, in whole or in part, because they "push to be paid what they are worth."

    I'm pretty much as anti-feminist as they come, but even I will concede part of the reason men earn more than women is that men negotiate more aggressively over their salaries. This is obvious when you think about it -- men's social status depends more on their income than does women, so there is more incentive. Also, men typically don't have the option of asking their spouse for more money instead of asking their boss for more money.

    “men’s social status depends more on their income than does women, so there is more incentive. Also, men typically don’t have the option of asking their spouse for more money instead of asking their boss for more money”

    Some poor naive soap actor (male) pointed out that men typically aspire to support a wife and children, whereas few women aspire to support a husband and children. Naturally he has grovelled and apologised for his dreadful words (trigger warning).

    ‘My wife works really hard as a stay-at-home mum, but I’m the only one bringing in a salary for our family. Many men’s salaries aren’t just for them, it’s for their wife and children, too.’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4728380/Casualty-star-slammed-defending-BBC-gender-pay-gap.html

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    Even when the wife does work, the money she earns is usually "her money," i.e. she spends it on handbags and manicures or whatever.

    Also, if for some reason a working wife wants or needs more money, it's usually easier for her to simply ask her husband for it in exchange for domestic service rather than ask the boss for a raise.
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  134. Thea says:
    @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque
    Talking about American politics without mentioning the Jews is a little like talking about the NBA without mentioning the Chicago Bulls. Not that the Jews are all-powerful, let alone all bad. But they are successful, and therefore powerful enough: and their power is unique in being off-limits to normal criticism even when it’s highly visible. They themselves behave as if their success were a guilty secret, and they panic, and resort to accusations, as soon as the subject is raised. Jewish control of the major media in the media age makes the enforced silence both paradoxical and paralyzing. Survival in public life requires that you know all about it, but never refer to it. A hypocritical etiquette forces us to pretend that the Jews are powerless victims; and if you don’t respect their victimhood, they’ll destroy you. It’s a phenomenal display not of wickedness, really, but of fierce ethnocentrism, a sort of furtive racial superpatriotism.

    Joe Sobran

    yes but we apparently have zero leaders with any ethninationalist tendencies so it was easy pickings. They are morally wrong to exploit us but our so called leaders like the Bushes need to tried for treason.

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  135. OT – NYT is apparently reporting that Scaramucci has been sacked after a week.

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    I've been oxygen-deprived at high altitude for the last week, so I never had the mental energy to learn who Scaramucci was. Now I'm down below 1000 feet, but it appears now that I didn't miss anything.
    , @LondonBob
    Kelly wants his own team, Mooch hadn't started well anyway. Trump adores Kelly. Apparently Sessions is quietly doing some extensive work on certain characters, no leaks so far but cases are being constructed.
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  136. Brutusale says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    As the Miami Dolphins ex-Jonathan Martin said of Richie Incognito, "He's honorary".

    Incognito is too articulate to be even just honorary.

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    Buffalo has been a perfect landing spot for him, for about a dozen reasons.
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  137. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - NYT is apparently reporting that Scaramucci has been sacked after a week.

    I’ve been oxygen-deprived at high altitude for the last week, so I never had the mental energy to learn who Scaramucci was. Now I’m down below 1000 feet, but it appears now that I didn’t miss anything.

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    Scaramucci is rumoured to be going to Nantucket to spend more time with his family. I am not aware if the Bannon family will be going to Nantucket too.
    , @AM
    I sort of glossed over the palace intrigue myself thinking I'd catch up at some point and discovered he was fired. That was easy. :)
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  138. @EriK
    Jerry's favorite Jewish joke.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HoSGPQ80Vc

    Thanks, I’ll post.

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  139. Bill B. says:
    @Irish Paleo
    The Jewish Council in Ireland has issued a statement defending Myers, which is interesting. Here in Europe, the general impression I get is that Jews are less susceptible to the type of anti-white gentile propaganda which dominates the upper echelons of American Jewry. I suppose that the reality that Muslims are the true source of danger to Jewish security in the 21st century is more difficult to ignore when one's equivalent of Mexico is North Africa and the Middle East. My feeling on Myers is that the anti-Semitism trope is just a convenient excuse to continue the PC purge of Irish journalism and public life that has been happening since at least 2011. Of course, a major source of this intolerant attitude in Irish officialdom is an unconscious aping of positions that reflect the insecurities of American Jews born in the early to mid 20th century like George Soros. As is often the case, I'm left wondering what Mr. Netanyahu thinks.

    Kevin Myers is a very strong pubic supporter of Israel. Ironically.

    This is significant in a country where many political operators and pundits have embraced the pc Palestinian cause.

    Myers is not an anti-semite in any shape or form.

    I think that may have something to do with the Jewish Council of Ireland coming out to support him.

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    That's true. There's an increasing gulf between what Jews with real skin in the civilisational game (i.e. ones imminently threatened by local Muslim populations such as those of Israel and, increasingly, Europe) believe and what sheltered American $PLC and Soros types do. It's a sign of the times that Jews in France now vote for the FN whilst one of the UK's most prominent immigration restrictionists, Philip Goodhart, is Jewish. By contrast, American Jews seem to be living in a Groundhog Day time loop where it's always 1942.
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  140. Anonym says:

    I wish they had video online of Reggie White’s hilariously frank discussion about the virtues of different races. He made a comment that Jews were good at making money or some such, which of course became a big media event. I can’t remember the exact quote. I would like to post it in relation to things like this but I can’t obviously. Does anyone remember the quote?

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    In this New York Times article about Reggie White's remarks, it reports he said "whites 'know how to tap into money.''' (Emphasis mine.)
    I wonder if that is bowdlerization, since "whites" is not included in the quote, or if you are misremembering the reference as being about Jews.
    This bit cracked me up:
    "He also said that early Americans chose to enslave blacks, rather than Indians, ''because Indians knew the territory, and knew how to sneak up on people.'''
    His remarks seem harmless and even a bit funny. But it is kind of shocking to realize that even 20 years ago, such chatter was deemed out of bounds.
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  141. @Matra
    My feeling on Myers is that the anti-Semitism trope is just a convenient excuse to continue the PC purge of Irish journalism and public life that has been happening since at least 2011.

    He's always been provocative ("Africa is giving nothing to anyone – apart from AIDS") and, it must be said, careless with his language so it's actually a surprise he lasted this long.

    That’s one way of looking at it. Another is that this is not even in the top 10 of Myers’ many rhetorical peccadillos over the years and that his defenestration represents a tightening up of already puritanical standards of linguistic policing. I think that since Brexit and Trump in 2016, the first “denial” type reaction of the PC police has been to conclude that they have been too liberal in the level of debate and discourse that they have allowed and have sworn never to let such fripperies as freedom of speech permit thoughtcrime from ever being allowed to pollute the common man’s ears again.

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    • Replies: @Matra
    I think that since Brexit and Trump in 2016, the first “denial” type reaction of the PC police has been to conclude that they have been too liberal in the level of debate and discourse

    After Brexit I actually allowed myself to hope there'd be some liberal/prog introspection. By the time we got to the American election I realised they were too far gone for that.

    It’s a sign of the times that Jews in France now vote for the FN

    I haven't seen much evidence of this but if true then it might be because North African Sephardim make up a greater share of the French Jewish population. The leftists in the US are overwhelmingly Ashkenazi Jews.
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  142. Clyde says:
    @Father O'Hara
    Ha ha you said "turgid."

    Ha ha you said “turgid.”
    Better than flaccid.

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  143. Clyde says:
    @EriK
    Jerry's favorite Jewish joke.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HoSGPQ80Vc

    Sam Kinison was funnier.

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  144. @Bill B.
    Kevin Myers is a very strong pubic supporter of Israel. Ironically.

    This is significant in a country where many political operators and pundits have embraced the pc Palestinian cause.

    Myers is not an anti-semite in any shape or form.


    I think that may have something to do with the Jewish Council of Ireland coming out to support him.

    That’s true. There’s an increasing gulf between what Jews with real skin in the civilisational game (i.e. ones imminently threatened by local Muslim populations such as those of Israel and, increasingly, Europe) believe and what sheltered American $PLC and Soros types do. It’s a sign of the times that Jews in France now vote for the FN whilst one of the UK’s most prominent immigration restrictionists, Philip Goodhart, is Jewish. By contrast, American Jews seem to be living in a Groundhog Day time loop where it’s always 1942.

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    Interesting,

    When their white gentile neighbors are in trouble, they don't care. But when they face trouble all of the sudden it matters.
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  145. @MEH 0910
    Harlan Ellison - Pay the Writer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuLr9HG2ASs

    The music business is even worse……it’s pay to play everywhere now days. Live bands are as dead as fried chicken. That’s why Grundge was the last gasp of a dying industry……….the artists don’t get paid.

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  146. @Thea
    The GOP has recently been shown not to have our back either.

    The Republican Party has been a disaster for White Core Americans. You would have to go back to Ike to find a Republican president who was decent. Reagan’s 1986 amnesty for illegal alien invaders was a harbinger of doom for the California GOP. The 1990 immigration law signed and pushed by Bushy Boy #1 dramatically increased legal immigration.

    Reagan allowed the Neo-Con Jews to infiltrate the foreign policy establishment of the GOP. George W Bush allowed the Neo-Con Jews to steer the American Empire into the Iraq War debacle.

    President Trump started to jump in the polls during the New Hampshire presidential primary after he did two things: 1) Trump used the immigration issue to smash his GOP opponents and 2) Trump strongly went after the GOP ruling class and ruling class GOP stooges like Rubio and Jebby.

    The globalizer GOP that pushes open borders mass immigration, job-killing trade deal scams and Neo-Con foreign wars is just as dangerous and treasonous as the Democrat Party globalizers.

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  147. @Steve Sailer
    I've been oxygen-deprived at high altitude for the last week, so I never had the mental energy to learn who Scaramucci was. Now I'm down below 1000 feet, but it appears now that I didn't miss anything.

    Scaramucci is rumoured to be going to Nantucket to spend more time with his family. I am not aware if the Bannon family will be going to Nantucket too.

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  148. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @jack ryan
    Am I right in thinking that Ted Turner was the last "American" non Jewish TV Network owner? Murdoch qualifies as an Australian Gentile, though I think his children now purging Fox News are at least half Jewish.

    The Change at CNN when Ted Turner sold out to Gerald Levin's Time Warner Inc - I liked this change to about the same as the change from Czarist Russia to Jewish Bolshevism.

    Oh dear.

    Murdoch is a jew with a sense of humor.

    Speaking about his support for a Yes vote in the Scottish Independence Referendum, he said,
    ”I’m half Scottish, on my father’s side.”

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    An Australian friend of mine is friends with Murdoch's mother's family, the Greens. He went to Rupert's mother's funeral when she died at 100+. He says that only Americans assume that no Brits are talented enough at the newspaper game to be Press Barons.
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  149. Mark Caplan says: • Website
    @Jew World Order
    Michael Eisner was replaced by another Jew, Bob Iger. Jews not only control the media, they also control academia, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, Capitol Hill via the Democratic party and the legions of lobbying firms in the DC area, and of course, Hollywood. In our local elections in the Northwest, it's amazing how many Jews are running for office, if they are not Jews they are East Indians, all of whom are left wing nuts. This country is basically run by 2% of Jews, with East Indians now in a hurry to catch up and ride on their coat tails.

    Jews are relentlessly forcing globalization on all western countries because 1) they are exacting their 2000 year revenge on WASPs by wrecking the world order established by WASPs, 2) more non-whites will make them more white in comparison, in an all white world, they are at the bottom of the totem pole and 3) they want everyone to feel like an outsider, as they have felt living outside Israel for the past 2000 years. Jews are driven by ambition, revenge, greed and hunger for power, all shrouded in a thick layer of hypocrisy under the disguise of political correctness, which they impose on everyone else through their control of the media, while protecting themselves with cries of antisemitism at any hint of criticism. In their mind they have been screwed over by gentiles for 2000 years so they see nothing wrong in screwing everyone else over to get what they want, it's their turn, they've been waiting for this for 2000 years, no one else has the right to criticize them because of what they went through, regardless of what they do. They are preaching the same identity politics and victimhood claptrap to blacks and muslims.

    Karma's a biatch though. BLM are now seeing Bernie Sanders and his supporters as "White Supremacist Liberals" not much better than the KKK, while the Muslim horde they have been welcoming in with open arms will eventually bring about the next round of persecution of Jews. Jewish liberals are in absolute denial about the incompatibility of Islam with their liberal ideals of gender equality, homosexuality, drug, alcohol and sexual freedom. This time there will be no more WASPs around to save them.

    By not giving credit to powerful gentiles, you’re telling only half the story. Your rogues’ gallery needs to include Angela Merkel, Tony Blair, George W. Bush, ¡Jeb!, Hillary, the Somali-hugging Lutheran Social Services of Minnesota, all the other mainstream non-Evangelical Protestant denominations, and of course the Roman Catholic Church. It’d be a stretch to believe the Jews somehow hypnotized all those open-borders, goyishe-kop nitwits to embrace a suicidal immigration policy against their will.

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  150. Matra says:
    @Irish Paleo
    That's one way of looking at it. Another is that this is not even in the top 10 of Myers' many rhetorical peccadillos over the years and that his defenestration represents a tightening up of already puritanical standards of linguistic policing. I think that since Brexit and Trump in 2016, the first "denial" type reaction of the PC police has been to conclude that they have been too liberal in the level of debate and discourse that they have allowed and have sworn never to let such fripperies as freedom of speech permit thoughtcrime from ever being allowed to pollute the common man's ears again.

    I think that since Brexit and Trump in 2016, the first “denial” type reaction of the PC police has been to conclude that they have been too liberal in the level of debate and discourse

    After Brexit I actually allowed myself to hope there’d be some liberal/prog introspection. By the time we got to the American election I realised they were too far gone for that.

    It’s a sign of the times that Jews in France now vote for the FN

    I haven’t seen much evidence of this but if true then it might be because North African Sephardim make up a greater share of the French Jewish population. The leftists in the US are overwhelmingly Ashkenazi Jews.

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    Liberals cannot engage in introspection because they are always pushing for progress. Utopia is just around the corner. Our problems are a result of not having reached it, yet not from a flaw in their reasoning.

    I think you mean the most Ashkenazi are leftists. We have too many leftists and too few Ashkenzi for the reverse.
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  151. jack ryan says: • Website

    Just “Noticing” that yeah, there are a lot of Jewish people in the (UK, USA, Canadian, Australian, “the West” ) media, lots of Jewish people in Hollywood. That’s something that can get you banned from respectable society, lose your job, have you made an outcaste worse than pedofiles.

    It’s similar to just “noticing” that from the years 1920-1980 there seemed to be a lot of Italian Americans associated with Mafia organized crime.

    One enraged Italian American patriot Joe Colombo organized a big NYC march against the soon to be released movie “The Godfather” that depicted New York City Italian American Mafia families.

    http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2012/03/04/the-time-the-mafia-protested-the-godfather

    An Italian American civil rights group took exception to the portrayal of Italians in THE GODFATHER. The group just happened to be run by the head of one of the Five Families.

    Some rival NYC Maffia guys took the opportunity to assassinate Joe Colombo at this protest, confirming that yes, SURPRISE, SURPRISE there were some Italian Americans in New York City associated with Mafia organized crime.

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  152. @Charles Pewitt
    Jewish writers overwhelmingly disapprove of President Trump. But it is Jewish billionaires and Jewish media oligarchs who decide who gets to write or opine in the corporate propaganda apparatus. Mark Zuckerberg, the Redstone gang, The Roberts gang, Mike Bloomberg and other Jewish billionaires are the ones who continually use their media power to attack the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    White Core Americans are under attack from a hostile ruling class that wants to demographically replace them in their own nation. Both the Republican Party and Democrat Party are firmly under the control of a Deep State ruling class that protects and empowers the hostile Jewish element that controls the media.

    The Jewish question is an 800 pound gorilla that is never talked about in most European Christian nations such as the United States, England, Germany or others. The Jewish question is a legitimate topic of political discourse and it must be honestly talked about. Jewish billionaires are using their money and media power to stifle talk about vital subjects that impact the future of European Christian nations.

    It is now time to honestly talk about why the corporate propaganda apparatus is controlled by Jewish billionaires who have a deep and abiding hatred of the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    This Tweet is from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/661179226930995200

    Jewish writers overwhelmingly disapprove of President Trump.

    Actually, writers of all ethnicities overwhelmingly disapprove of President Trump. The amusing thing is that even the writers of thrillers and police procedurals tend to be overwhelmingly liberal. I understand why. Writing isn’t really a stable source of income. Scribblers, almost to a man, like big government because the welfare state provides a backstop if their vocation becomes, involuntarily, more akin to an avocation.

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  153. sabril says:
    @Bill B.
    The whole scandal of 'underpaid' presenter women at the BBC is nonsense. These people are paid as stars. Their salaries are not like those of factory workers or doctors.

    The men are paid more because the BBC thinks they have greater star quality.

    That might be debatable but the same goes for Hollywood and a lot of sport.

    I think Myers was trying to say this.

    The whole scandal of ‘underpaid’ presenter women at the BBC is nonsense.

    For the most part I agree. Although I think men get paid more not just because they are better workers, but also because they push harder for higher salaries. Which is understandable, because there is more social pressure on men to make money and also because men usually don’t have a spouse they can go to and ask for more money.

    If the author had simply pointed this out, he would not have been perceived as anti-Semitic. The problem is that not only did he bring up Jews, he pulled out an unfair double standard and attempted to invalidate Jewish accomplishment. This is typical thinking among anti-Semites.

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  154. sabril says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    "men’s social status depends more on their income than does women, so there is more incentive. Also, men typically don’t have the option of asking their spouse for more money instead of asking their boss for more money"

    Some poor naive soap actor (male) pointed out that men typically aspire to support a wife and children, whereas few women aspire to support a husband and children. Naturally he has grovelled and apologised for his dreadful words (trigger warning).

    'My wife works really hard as a stay-at-home mum, but I'm the only one bringing in a salary for our family. Many men's salaries aren't just for them, it's for their wife and children, too.'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4728380/Casualty-star-slammed-defending-BBC-gender-pay-gap.html

    Even when the wife does work, the money she earns is usually “her money,” i.e. she spends it on handbags and manicures or whatever.

    Also, if for some reason a working wife wants or needs more money, it’s usually easier for her to simply ask her husband for it in exchange for domestic service rather than ask the boss for a raise.

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  155. guest says:
    @yaqub the mad scientist
    As I've said before, much 20th century literature and theater, from Elmer Gantry to the lighthearted fare of The Music Man, was filled the theme of the willingness for the American public to resonate to blatant phoniness.

    “There’s a sucker born every minute.”

    -an American (probably)

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  156. @jack ryan
    Karl I think Hebrews dominate the "American" media for a reason, the same reason Italian Americans dominated the highest levels of organized crime from the 1920s - 1970s.

    It's an ethnic mafia that strongly excludes people not in this ethnic/tribe.

    Ted Turner married Hanoi Jane Fonda, adopted near perfect Left Coast Lib politics, merged CNN Turner Broadcasting with Time Warner Inc headed by Gerald Levin....

    Ted Turner was not accepted in to this West Coast, Hollywood Jewish Media Mafia and Ted Turner was practically never heard from again.

    Talk about Jews and Gentiles… Steve Case, the Hawaii born WASP flimflamed Gerald Levin, the New York Jew (domiciled) into merging worthless AOL with valuable Time Warner… who says sweet talking Christians can’t take gullible Jews to the cleaners?

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    At the time AOL wasn't worthless, it was making a ton of money. The problem is that its valuation assumed its continued growth, when in fact the price of cable internet and DSL rapidly declined and took over the market.

    Some of it was fraud however. One thing Case-era AOL did was sign deals with scammy Internet start-ups where they'd agree to send each other cash back and forth at an increasing pace in order to create "revenue" for each of them.

    Time Warner shareholders had plenty of time, a couple years as I recall, in which to get rid of their overvalued AOL-TimeWarner shares.
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  157. @Brutusale
    Incognito is too articulate to be even just honorary.

    Buffalo has been a perfect landing spot for him, for about a dozen reasons.

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    Agree, but they still won't beat the Patriots who will win the next SuperBowl.
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  158. @Jew World Order
    Michael Eisner was replaced by another Jew, Bob Iger. Jews not only control the media, they also control academia, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, Capitol Hill via the Democratic party and the legions of lobbying firms in the DC area, and of course, Hollywood. In our local elections in the Northwest, it's amazing how many Jews are running for office, if they are not Jews they are East Indians, all of whom are left wing nuts. This country is basically run by 2% of Jews, with East Indians now in a hurry to catch up and ride on their coat tails.

    Jews are relentlessly forcing globalization on all western countries because 1) they are exacting their 2000 year revenge on WASPs by wrecking the world order established by WASPs, 2) more non-whites will make them more white in comparison, in an all white world, they are at the bottom of the totem pole and 3) they want everyone to feel like an outsider, as they have felt living outside Israel for the past 2000 years. Jews are driven by ambition, revenge, greed and hunger for power, all shrouded in a thick layer of hypocrisy under the disguise of political correctness, which they impose on everyone else through their control of the media, while protecting themselves with cries of antisemitism at any hint of criticism. In their mind they have been screwed over by gentiles for 2000 years so they see nothing wrong in screwing everyone else over to get what they want, it's their turn, they've been waiting for this for 2000 years, no one else has the right to criticize them because of what they went through, regardless of what they do. They are preaching the same identity politics and victimhood claptrap to blacks and muslims.

    Karma's a biatch though. BLM are now seeing Bernie Sanders and his supporters as "White Supremacist Liberals" not much better than the KKK, while the Muslim horde they have been welcoming in with open arms will eventually bring about the next round of persecution of Jews. Jewish liberals are in absolute denial about the incompatibility of Islam with their liberal ideals of gender equality, homosexuality, drug, alcohol and sexual freedom. This time there will be no more WASPs around to save them.

    You forgot to mention the 7th Ave (Fashion Industry), Madison Avenue (Advertising) and the Midtown (Publishing)… if I can think of anything else to buttress your jeremiads, I will post it ASAP!

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  159. @Jack D
    "David" is not a typical Jewish surname. Although he was born with that name, I'm guessing that it was changed/shortened by some earlier generation. Could have been Davidovich or some such or else David was a middle name turned into a last name (just like Stewart). Just guessing here but I think these are reasonable guesses. That being said, David doesn't exactly try to hide his Jewishness. We are way past the era where Jews tried to "pass" - if anything people do the opposite as part of the "flight from White".

    In his TV show, many of the characters are obviously or explicitly Jewish but very rarely is Jerry's own Jewishness made into an issue or a subject of humor. He is more in the "everyman" tradition of Jewish comedians of an earlier era such as George Burns and Jack Benny. Since most of the other characters in the show are also Jewish (or at least New Yorkish - even non-Jewish New Yorker seem to be somewhat Jewish) his Jewishness is sort of taken for granted - he is one more Jewish fish swimming in a largely Jewish sea. By contrast, in the show "Northern Exposures", the NY Jewish main character is put in Alaska as a sort of fish out of water and his Jewishness is often a much more explicit theme. Likewise, in the Coen Brothers "A Serious Man" Jewishness is also dealt with head one and not just by oblique references to bagels and lox.

    In the “Palestianian Chicken” episode (the GOAT episode ever on a show full of GOAT episodes) of “Curb Your Enthusiasm”, Larry explained to the Palestinian Shara that he was “Lebbe, son of Nat” before he enthusiastically beds her.

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  160. guest says:
    @Jack D
    If you read the whole paragraph, it's clear that he is talking about hard bargaining and not nepotism.

    Here is his logical argument, which is sorta weak I think, even aside from the reliance on stereotypes:

    1. W and F are Jewish.
    2. Jews are noted for their hard bargaining and are no doubt represented by the best, most hard bargaining talent agents.
    3. Other lesser paid female reporters are no doubt represented by these same agents who drive equally hard bargains and achieve the best possible results on their behalf .
    4. Therefore, these lesser paid females are already being paid a market rate and their lower pay is a reflection of their actual value and not a result of gender discrimination.

    The weakness, aside from the stereotypes, is in "no doubt" qualifications - he is assuming facts not in evidence. Maybe the nice goyish lady reporters are too reticent or too anti-Semitic to hire hard driving (Jewish) talent agents. Their bosses offer them 70 cents on the dollar (70 pence on the pound) because they hate women/ think they can get away with it and they take it because they are too nice to bargain. If Jews are noted for their hard bargaining then non-Jews must be noted for their not-hard bargaining, I guess.

    Bringing Jews into the thing was really unnecessary. Points #1 and 2 could have been that W and F are top paid and no doubt represented by the best agents without bringing their ethnicity into it at all. The mark of the anti-Semite is that he brings up Jewishness when it is not really germane to the subject at hand. Here we are talking about gender discrimination and suddenly he brings Joos into the argument for no particularly good reason.

    Regarding nepotism, you could conceivably argue (though he doesn't, because it would actually undermine the point he is trying to make) that the agents try harder for their coreligionists (assuming that the agents are also Jewish, which he doesn't state either) and this explains why they make more than other female reporters. It's at least as strong as the argument that he is trying to make.

    The mark of the anti-WASP-ite is that he brings up WASPishness when it’s not germane to the subject.

    The mark of the anti-German-ite is that he brings up Germanness when it’s not germane to the subject.

    The mark of the anti-Kentuckian is that he brings up Kentuckyness when it’s not germane to the subject.

    The mark of the anti-Canadian is that he brings up Canadianness when it’s not germane to the subject.

    Oh, wait, everyone can bring up all those things whenever they want, for any reason or no reason. Jewishness, on the other hand, requires not only a reason, but really, I’m guessing, an overwhelming reason that would make not mentioning it positively confusing. Plus a special dispensation received ahead of time from the ADL.

    Maybe not even then, because holocaust.

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  161. guest says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    You guys are missing a major point.

    All that Kevin Myers did was present for a goyim audience information that was lauded earlier in the Jewish media, namely the Jewish Chronicle.

    https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/are-jews-an-ethnic-minority-the-bbc-doesn-t-think-so-1.441775

    When the BBC reported on its list of highest-paid broadcasters on its News at Ten last night, it said there was no one from an ethnic background in the top 20.

    Which was wrong (well, wrong depending on your definition of ethnic minority). For the top 20 included two Jewish women – Claudia Winkleman and Vanessa Feltz.
     
    also:

    Legally, however, Jews are clearly an ethnic, as well as religious minority, since they are protected under the Race Relations Act (as are Sikhs).
     
    Lets face it, a major part of Alt-Right media whether it is Steve Sailer, VDARE, The Daily Stormer, The Right Stuff, or for that matter, yes, David Duke is simply the rehashing of information that appears right out in the open in the Jewish media daily. And when you really make the effort to uncover the kryptos (AKA the Jon Stewarts, A. O. Scotts etc etc), what media today is not Jewish?

    And if it is not outright Jewish, it's otherwise pathetic Shabbos Goys trying not to run afoul of their Jewish masters. Of which the other 99.9% of Greg Easterbrook's career working for Michael Kinsley and his boss Marty Peretz at The New Republic is a prime example. 90% of what the Alt-Right does is ever so slightly reframe previously published by Jews for Jews material for the goyim to notice what is going on.

    This entire episode is simple another case of a goyim letting the other goyim know what the Jews are already talking about among themselves.

    For example whole affair was well covered by TheDailyStormer early this morning. And while I know many of us boomer generation Alt-Righters here would claim to turn up their noses at The Stormer it is hard to believe that much of Steve's audience is not reading it as well. Including Steve? I am sure the Stormer kids and certainly its staff are reading Sailer as well.

    As Lee Rogers at TheDailyStormer put it

    https://www.dailystormer.com/sunday-times-ireland-fires-columnist-for-questioning-why-bbcs-highest-paid-females-are-jews/

    Apparently it is OK for a Jew to talk to other Jews about such things but not for a non-Jew to do it.

    Oh well. This is just another case of Jewish privilege. If somebody says something that you feel leads to too much goyim knowing, you can just call up and get them fired. You can also get a gushing apology.
     

    “No one from an ethnic background”

    What, were they raised in labs? I know “ethnic” is codeword for non-white, but it occasionally strikes me in the face that They think people like me are an ethnic blank.

    I’m of mixed Western European stock, mostly Scottish, Irish, German and Swiss. Born and raised in the U.S., which got most of its culture from England. I was raised Catholic and have studied the classics of Ancient Greece and Rome, with which I feel a distant affinity. I’m roughly familiar with European High Culture, especially history, art, and philosophy.

    Look for my ethnicity, and what do you find? Nothing. I don’t have one.

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    I know “ethnic” is codeword for non-white, but it occasionally strikes me in the face that They think people like me are an ethnic blank.
     
    It's the same kind of "they all look alike to me" thinking that makes the diverse go nuclear when it is applied to them rather than by them. It saddens me that so many people seem simply not to realize that it is easier to make fine distinctions within more familiar groups. I would add that I don't think this "familiarity" has to imply it is one's own group, rather that one has extended experience interacting with a wide range of individuals in a group. In this light, I can see why some relatively well assimilated minorities might be a bit sensitive since they probably understand the dominant group better than vice versa.
    , @AM

    I’m of mixed Western European stock, mostly Scottish, Irish, German and Swiss. Born and raised in the U.S., which got most of its culture from England. I was raised Catholic and have studied the classics of Ancient Greece and Rome... Look for my ethnicity, and what do you find? Nothing. I don’t have one.
     
    You have an id, if you want it.

    If I could convince you that Catholicism has truth involved and get your hiney in Mass each week, your ethnicity would be American Catholic, like me. (Although truthfully, I'm cheering at American Baptists or American Pentecostal - anything but "Gosh, I'm a nothing".)

    You have to looking to find if Catholic Christianity is true, rather than the usual, easy "Well, I met a bunch of lame-o people who have no clue, so clearly that's Catholicism." No, it's not. If you've studied Greece and Rome, Catholicism only integrates that and adds on from there. It's just the lame brains running the church don't want to think anymore or mention that anyone could not make it Heaven. It's participation trophies on steroids with the current culture. We went from too rigid and rule oriented to lovey-feely empty brained hippies in less than 50 years.
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  162. guest says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    You guys are missing a major point.

    All that Kevin Myers did was present for a goyim audience information that was lauded earlier in the Jewish media, namely the Jewish Chronicle.

    https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/are-jews-an-ethnic-minority-the-bbc-doesn-t-think-so-1.441775

    When the BBC reported on its list of highest-paid broadcasters on its News at Ten last night, it said there was no one from an ethnic background in the top 20.

    Which was wrong (well, wrong depending on your definition of ethnic minority). For the top 20 included two Jewish women – Claudia Winkleman and Vanessa Feltz.
     
    also:

    Legally, however, Jews are clearly an ethnic, as well as religious minority, since they are protected under the Race Relations Act (as are Sikhs).
     
    Lets face it, a major part of Alt-Right media whether it is Steve Sailer, VDARE, The Daily Stormer, The Right Stuff, or for that matter, yes, David Duke is simply the rehashing of information that appears right out in the open in the Jewish media daily. And when you really make the effort to uncover the kryptos (AKA the Jon Stewarts, A. O. Scotts etc etc), what media today is not Jewish?

    And if it is not outright Jewish, it's otherwise pathetic Shabbos Goys trying not to run afoul of their Jewish masters. Of which the other 99.9% of Greg Easterbrook's career working for Michael Kinsley and his boss Marty Peretz at The New Republic is a prime example. 90% of what the Alt-Right does is ever so slightly reframe previously published by Jews for Jews material for the goyim to notice what is going on.

    This entire episode is simple another case of a goyim letting the other goyim know what the Jews are already talking about among themselves.

    For example whole affair was well covered by TheDailyStormer early this morning. And while I know many of us boomer generation Alt-Righters here would claim to turn up their noses at The Stormer it is hard to believe that much of Steve's audience is not reading it as well. Including Steve? I am sure the Stormer kids and certainly its staff are reading Sailer as well.

    As Lee Rogers at TheDailyStormer put it

    https://www.dailystormer.com/sunday-times-ireland-fires-columnist-for-questioning-why-bbcs-highest-paid-females-are-jews/

    Apparently it is OK for a Jew to talk to other Jews about such things but not for a non-Jew to do it.

    Oh well. This is just another case of Jewish privilege. If somebody says something that you feel leads to too much goyim knowing, you can just call up and get them fired. You can also get a gushing apology.
     

    “Apparently it’s OK for a Jew to talk to other Jews about such things but not for a non-Jew to do it”

    Duh. Where has this guy been?

    The crime isn’t pointing out Jewishness. It’s pointing out Jewishness to potential gas chamber operators. (That means you, average white person.)

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  163. @Bugg
    May be had a hand in Phil Hartman's demise as well. Cannot find a video link, but basic idea, Hartman in an SNL skit with ice skater Nancy Kerrigan going to Disney World after the Olympics has Hartman/Eisner merchandising her like pastrami at Katz's Deli-

    https://www.google.com/search?q=snl+phil+hartman+michael+eisner+nancy+kerrigan&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS623US640&oq=snl+phil+hartman+michael+eisner+nancy+kerrigan&aqs=chrome..69i57.20415j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    Nancy Kerrigan married her agent, Jerry Lawrence Solomon… Maybe that had something to do with ber being over marketed… Of course, the pastrami at Katz Deli is pretty good… I think, I will go there now to get one!

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  164. @PV van der Byl
    Ms. Winkleman 's family seems wired with journalism connections (from Wikipedia):

    Winkleman …[is]…the daughter of Eve Pollard, former editor of the Sunday Express, and Barry Winkleman ……former publisher of The Times Atlas of the World. Her parents divorced when she was three…[and her] mother married Sir Nicholas Lloyd, former editor of the Daily Express.

    So what you are saying is that Mr. and Mrs. Jews get married and have a Jewish child then get divorced to go off to have romps with well connected Gentiles… It’s a case of having your cake and keeping it too, no?

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    What I am saying is that the most important attributes of these very influential--and sometimes also well-paid--people are the industry connections they have, often from birth, and that the family connections reinforce those.

    Religious differences or similarities are second order. Being Jewish (or whatever) may help but is hardly sufficient. To get important doors to open in media businesses, it really helps to have parents, step-parents, or siblings with juice.
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  165. @jack ryan
    Am I right in thinking that Ted Turner was the last "American" non Jewish TV Network owner? Murdoch qualifies as an Australian Gentile, though I think his children now purging Fox News are at least half Jewish.

    The Change at CNN when Ted Turner sold out to Gerald Levin's Time Warner Inc - I liked this change to about the same as the change from Czarist Russia to Jewish Bolshevism.

    Oh dear.

    Robert Johnson of BET is not Jewish. Johnson was a majority stakeholder in BET when the network was sold to Viacom in 2001. Turner Broadcasting was sold Time Warner in 1996.

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  166. @Jack D
    If you read the whole paragraph, it's clear that he is talking about hard bargaining and not nepotism.

    Here is his logical argument, which is sorta weak I think, even aside from the reliance on stereotypes:

    1. W and F are Jewish.
    2. Jews are noted for their hard bargaining and are no doubt represented by the best, most hard bargaining talent agents.
    3. Other lesser paid female reporters are no doubt represented by these same agents who drive equally hard bargains and achieve the best possible results on their behalf .
    4. Therefore, these lesser paid females are already being paid a market rate and their lower pay is a reflection of their actual value and not a result of gender discrimination.

    The weakness, aside from the stereotypes, is in "no doubt" qualifications - he is assuming facts not in evidence. Maybe the nice goyish lady reporters are too reticent or too anti-Semitic to hire hard driving (Jewish) talent agents. Their bosses offer them 70 cents on the dollar (70 pence on the pound) because they hate women/ think they can get away with it and they take it because they are too nice to bargain. If Jews are noted for their hard bargaining then non-Jews must be noted for their not-hard bargaining, I guess.

    Bringing Jews into the thing was really unnecessary. Points #1 and 2 could have been that W and F are top paid and no doubt represented by the best agents without bringing their ethnicity into it at all. The mark of the anti-Semite is that he brings up Jewishness when it is not really germane to the subject at hand. Here we are talking about gender discrimination and suddenly he brings Joos into the argument for no particularly good reason.

    Regarding nepotism, you could conceivably argue (though he doesn't, because it would actually undermine the point he is trying to make) that the agents try harder for their coreligionists (assuming that the agents are also Jewish, which he doesn't state either) and this explains why they make more than other female reporters. It's at least as strong as the argument that he is trying to make.

    This whole thing has nothing to do with Jews and everything to do with the fact that women are (usually) the most-involved parent in bringing the children. There are exceptions of course, but we are talking about averages.

    Bringing up children is time consuming and and can be emotionally draining. If a working mother’s child gets sick, she is usually the one to take time off work.

    Furthermore there a great many single mothers — I am one and take from me, it’s really, really hard. I was employed full time as well. And I got no child support until they were in their teens and it wasn’t much.

    There are far fewer single fathers. Most men aren’t interested.

    This is the main reason for the small number of women at the very top level jobs. Heck, most men couldn’t get there either.

    It’s so obvious I don’t understand why SJWs can’t see it.

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  167. LondonBob says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - NYT is apparently reporting that Scaramucci has been sacked after a week.

    Kelly wants his own team, Mooch hadn’t started well anyway. Trump adores Kelly. Apparently Sessions is quietly doing some extensive work on certain characters, no leaks so far but cases are being constructed.

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  168. @LondonBob
    If Italians dominated organised crime why was Meyer Lansky the chairman of the board? Bugsy Siegel, Moe Dalitz, Mickey Cohen, Jack Ruby, Murder Inc., Arnold Rothstein, the Purple Gang etc.

    Hush now! Chilens is watching cartoons and ain’t no need be talking all grown up talk now… no siree, it sure ain’t the right time.

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  169. whorefinder says: • Website

    The eternal Jewish paranoia about being outed as Jews is quite breathtaking.

    I remember reading Ivanhoe (written in the 19th Century) and the author, Walter Scott, noted that medieval Jews were forced to wear yellow clothing to identify themselves as Jews to others. (One of Scott’s minor goals in the book was to push for English society of his time to be more accepting of Jews/not out them)

    So those of you who think the National Socialists came up with the idea about yellow stars have been misled.

    Jews, of course, have rational reasons for such paranoia; when societies have identified them as not-of-the-local-nation, there have been exclusions and punishments and restrictions. But they also have rational selfish reasons for it: if their numbers are not noted by the goyim, then the ethnic networking they employ and their controls on the levers of power cannot be questioned as being contrary to the local people, as people are generally unaware that they are not of the local people.

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    You are way behind the times. Old school - passing as white. New school - flight from white.
    , @guest
    I remember the Ivanhoe movie, staring Jewish convert Liz Taylor and a lot of other people whom I forget. They spend a lot of time and sympathy on the character Isaac of York, who's a moneylender of a particular faith.
    , @Anon
    Ivanhoe is pretty near the least historical historical novel ever written.

    I don't know about that specific point though which may well be correct.
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  170. @seth
    Kevin Myers should have been fired just for his obnoxiously snotty tone. "With whose work I am tragically unacquainted..."

    May I note that in addition to the inestimable privilege of having been born to a Jewish family, Claudia Winkleman (note spelling) is also the sister-in-law to Lord Frederick Windsor, 46th in line to the British throne?

    I wonder how many other members of the top-10 list are similarly possessed of royal connections? There are all kinds of networks of privilege.

    Kevin Myers should have been fired just for his obnoxiously snotty tone. “With whose work I am tragically unacquainted…”

    He should be applauded for it.

    May I note that in addition to the inestimable privilege of having been born to a Jewish family, Claudia Winkleman (note spelling) is also the sister-in-law to Lord Frederick Windsor, 46th in line to the British throne?

    I wonder how many other members of the top-10 list are similarly possessed of royal connections? There are all kinds of networks of privilege.

    And Jews are — and must be — included in all of them.

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  171. Iasi says:

    Relitigating the Jewish Question has become boring. Myers was treated unfairly. Many are.
    Would the readership be more comfortable with the following:

    Kings invited Jews in because they needed money.
    Then they kicked them out when they couldn’t pay or when their subjects got mistreated by usury.
    Then they invited the Jews back in.

    Would some apology by Kings for the ejections and by the Jews for the mistreatments resolve anything? No it would not. Life in 2017 seems similar to life in 1217 or 1717 or pick a date. It is not like 1933 or 1942.

    Pick a new topic to litigate. You have not picked on blacks for a while. Ask them to apologize for being oversexed criminals and move on with your lives to the next outgroup.

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  172. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Jack D
    "David" is not a typical Jewish surname. Although he was born with that name, I'm guessing that it was changed/shortened by some earlier generation. Could have been Davidovich or some such or else David was a middle name turned into a last name (just like Stewart). Just guessing here but I think these are reasonable guesses. That being said, David doesn't exactly try to hide his Jewishness. We are way past the era where Jews tried to "pass" - if anything people do the opposite as part of the "flight from White".

    In his TV show, many of the characters are obviously or explicitly Jewish but very rarely is Jerry's own Jewishness made into an issue or a subject of humor. He is more in the "everyman" tradition of Jewish comedians of an earlier era such as George Burns and Jack Benny. Since most of the other characters in the show are also Jewish (or at least New Yorkish - even non-Jewish New Yorker seem to be somewhat Jewish) his Jewishness is sort of taken for granted - he is one more Jewish fish swimming in a largely Jewish sea. By contrast, in the show "Northern Exposures", the NY Jewish main character is put in Alaska as a sort of fish out of water and his Jewishness is often a much more explicit theme. Likewise, in the Coen Brothers "A Serious Man" Jewishness is also dealt with head one and not just by oblique references to bagels and lox.

    In his TV show, many of the characters are obviously or explicitly Jewish but very rarely is Jerry’s own Jewishness made into an issue or a subject of humor.

    He is more in the “everyman” tradition of Jewish comedians of an earlier era such as George Burns and Jack Benny.

    Its not far off to call Seinfeld (the TV series) “Newhart for New York Jews.” One calm, observing main character (Jerry, Bob) surrounded by a storm of crazy folk and situations, and desperately trying to maintain normalcy. Of course, Jerry got wackier as the series rolled on, but George, Kramer, and to a lesser extent Elaine were far wackier and their schemes/problems were observed by Jerry with detachment (as the final episode emphasizes, as the gang is arrested for failing to care enough).

    By contrast, in the show “Northern Exposures”, the NY Jewish main character is put in Alaska as a sort of fish out of water and his Jewishness is often a much more explicit theme

    .

    Northern Exposure was, like Twin Peaks and House, one of those shows that went gangbusters at the beginning and then completely fell apart and the dropoff was more than noticeable, it was extreme.

    Likewise, in the Coen Brothers “A Serious Man” Jewishness is also dealt with head one and not just by oblique references to bagels and lox.


    A Serious Man
    is a strong criticism of the Jewish community and Jewish religion, as only two Jews who grew up in it can explain. Contrast that to O Brother Where Art Thou?, where the Cohens celebrate about 90% of pre-civil rights Jim Crow Southern culture (right down to the deeply influential, largely Christian soundtrack), and it seems clear the Cohens like goyim-Americans more than Jewish-American culture. Like Christopher Nolan, however, the Cohens are far too wise to be cornered on their politics/beliefs bucking the Hollywood line.

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  173. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    Occam's Razor dictates that the reason lady presenters are paid less is that they have a sharp career trajectory (the rise faster than men in the industry and fall faster than men as well) and that it is relative to their years of peak attractiveness.

    This was the likely explanation for why female movie leads are paid less than their male counterparts and why the hullabaloo is nonsense. Bradley Cooper was paid more than Jennifer Lawrence because Lawrence is eminently more replaceable by the next early twentysomething ingenue. But the flip side is that while Bradley Cooper was toiling in obscurity in bit parts in television shows and straight to DVD movies (remember him as the psycho boyfriend in Wedding Crashers?), Lawrence's rise to prominence was meteoric. She didn't have the ten plus years of couch surfing and supplementing meager acting income by waiting tables like Cooper and Clooney. Also note the cannibalistic nature of female leads - the new one on the scene tends to push out her elder sisters when they are deemed too old to play the female leads (think Ashley Judd, who complains about not getting roles like she used to do). It's a bit hypocritical to take advantage of Hollywood's favor for young female leads on the front end (while pushing out the old gray mares) and then complain about not getting roles when you get pushed out in favor of the new girl.

    It’s a bit hypocritical to take advantage of Hollywood’s favor for young female leads on the front end (while pushing out the old gray mares) and then complain about not getting roles when you get pushed out in favor of the new girl.

    I completely agree with this. These stupid women lack self-awareness and are apparently unaware of the phrase live by the sword, die by the sword.

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  174. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D
    I think you make a pretty good argument, and all without bring the Joos into it. That being said, I think he was talking about TV news presenters where the women have a longer shelf life than starlets. The chief presenter of the PBS Newshour is Judy Woodruff who is pushing 70 and has reached the point where I have to avert my eyes from the screen because it is so painful to look at her withered neck and wrinkles. Barbara Walters is 87 and still seen on TV now and then.

    I haven’t seen her recently, but Diane Sawyer has looked great for many, many years. Not news personalities, but Bette Midler and Bernadette Peters also have seemed to have not aged much over the years.

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  175. Wonder if he would still have his job had he speculated that Vanessa Feltz was paid by the ounce.

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  176. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w_KyZV934No

    Brazilian propaganda pro mixing race aka Caucasian genocide. Number of dislikes higher than likes.

    Jesus loves you!!¡

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  177. notice says:

    The media supports “unmaskings”, not (((unmaskings))).

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  178. AndrewR says:
    @(((Owen)))
    I just don't understand. How long is it going to take you guys to figure out that Jews don't like Jewish success to be mentioned except when it's in the form of bragging?

    It's very simple. Just don't mention it.

    If you'd been subject to a hostile genocide recently, you wouldn't want to be mentioned like that either.

    And what the heck was the editor thinking that published that piece? Was he drunk? It was an obvious career ender on multiple levels.

    Maybe the reason that the Jews were [allegedly] subjected to genocide [there are no non-hostile genocides) is because they band together to ruin anyone who questions Jewish privilege, and then other ones like you come along to hysterically shriek in agreement with the evil overreaction.

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  179. eah says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    "Roseanne" was a rare favorable, and fairly accurate, portrayal of the white working class on TV. It was also hilarious. A deserved hit. Roseanne Bar is also, unsurprisingly, a Trump supporter, though she's a little nutty on some other issues.

    I guess one man’s trash is another’s treasure (but for that sort of thing I prefer something like ‘Antiques Roadshow’) — however I think a rehash without the gender propaganda is possible ffs — exploiting a child for that is especially disgusting — btw, don’t hold your breath waiting for the same thing with a black kid.

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  180. @DCThrowback
    Buffalo has been a perfect landing spot for him, for about a dozen reasons.

    Agree, but they still won’t beat the Patriots who will win the next SuperBowl.

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  182. Jack D says:
    @AM

    From this you might infer that some people would prefer that the Jews should simply not exist anywhere, period.
     
    She got the summary of Jewish history dead on correct. This is, at best, an obvious attempt at self-pity and coming up with that mysterious hatred, when in reality I'd rather just not think about JQ and hope you all make it to Heaven somehow, too, someday. Repeated attempts to force the pity will in fact create open hostility in all but the most resistant of people, just like she pointed out. High IQs apparently lead to a special kind of maroon.

    Jews bumble around the world, still under the special protection of a God most of the off the wagons have a hard time even believing exists, while bemoaning the separation between themselves and others while simultaneously cheering it along. If being Jewish bothers you that much, there's always the door marked "Christianity".

    1st of all, adopting Christianity means letting the bastard win. 2nd, history say it doesn’t work – the Inquisition kept on persecuting Jews AFTER they converted (accused them of not REALLY converting). Ditto the Nazis.

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    1st of all, adopting Christianity means letting the bastard win. 2nd, history say it doesn’t work – the Inquisition kept on persecuting Jews AFTER they converted (accused them of not REALLY converting). Ditto the Nazis
     
    .

    Ah, so I see you've got a reason to tear into and down the faith of Christians.

    And yes, converting Jews does actually work for the cohesion of your society, which is why they dabbled in doing forcibly and/or the insane attempt to certify it as in the Inquisition. (By the way, Catholic Priests tended to rubber stamp the new converts as real, because they didn't agree with force either.)

    I'm there with you that force doesn't work because it's immoral, but the voluntary method is quite a rational thing. The Merchant of Venice is a story about redemption.

    I agree that the Holocaust was also quite the thing, with Germany getting their comeuppance for it right now. However, easily as many Christians as Jews were killed during it, some of those Christians in defense of said Jews.

    Again, no victim status here with me. If you don't like being Jewish, if it's a terrible burden, then Christianity welcomes you, forgives you ( a concept notably absent in Jewish culture) and lightens the load. You can blend in, if you want, and gain Heaven and the greatest achievement of the Jews all at once. Not a bad deal, really.

    If it's "letting the bastards win", well, why do think it's okay to take taxpayer money from Christians to support Israel? From what moral right do you ask anything of a Christian or Christian society? Why do belly ache about a victim status you clearly voluntarily embrace?

    , @utu
    Inquisition kept on persecuting Jews AFTER they converted

    Almost correct. Inquisition could not prosecute Jews before they converted because it did not have jurisdiction over them. Benzion Netanyahu claims that prosecution of former Jews in Spain was unjust and was in fact a persecution because their conversion was genuine and they did not practice crypto Judaism. Not everybody agrees.

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  183. @reiner Tor
    OT

    Steve, you might find this interesting. The son of the Syrian president is on the Syrian team of the Math Olympiad. Here's a German language source for the fact that Hafez Al-Assad is, in fact, the son of the president.

    Assad’s son competed in the International Mathematical Olympiad last year too, but I don’t recall any press coverage.

    Iran finished 5th this year. I am shocked to read that Iranian mathematician and Stanford professor Maryam Mirzakhani just died. She is the only woman to ever win a Fields Medal. The medal is awarded to those under age 40 and ironically she died at 40. She won a gold medal at the IMO both of the years that she attended with a perfect score the second year.

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  184. @silviosilver

    The mark of the anti-Semite is that he brings up Jewishness when it is not really germane to the subject at hand.
     
    In theory, perhaps. But in practise the mark of the "anti-semite" is his conviction that it's permissible to criticize Jews, just as it's permissible to criticize any other group of people on the planet.

    To my way of thinking, the problem isn't criticism per se, but rather dumb criticism. And when it comes to Jews, there is truly no end of that. What makes it even worse is that opportunities for good criticism positively abound.

    To my way of thinking, the problem isn’t criticism per se, but rather dumb criticism.

    I guess in the eyes of “Komment Kontrol” (remember him?), my subsequent comments have fallen into that latter category, since they evidently failed to pass censorial muster.

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  185. AM says:
    @Jack D
    1st of all, adopting Christianity means letting the bastard win. 2nd, history say it doesn't work - the Inquisition kept on persecuting Jews AFTER they converted (accused them of not REALLY converting). Ditto the Nazis.

    1st of all, adopting Christianity means letting the bastard win. 2nd, history say it doesn’t work – the Inquisition kept on persecuting Jews AFTER they converted (accused them of not REALLY converting). Ditto the Nazis

    .

    Ah, so I see you’ve got a reason to tear into and down the faith of Christians.

    And yes, converting Jews does actually work for the cohesion of your society, which is why they dabbled in doing forcibly and/or the insane attempt to certify it as in the Inquisition. (By the way, Catholic Priests tended to rubber stamp the new converts as real, because they didn’t agree with force either.)

    I’m there with you that force doesn’t work because it’s immoral, but the voluntary method is quite a rational thing. The Merchant of Venice is a story about redemption.

    I agree that the Holocaust was also quite the thing, with Germany getting their comeuppance for it right now. However, easily as many Christians as Jews were killed during it, some of those Christians in defense of said Jews.

    Again, no victim status here with me. If you don’t like being Jewish, if it’s a terrible burden, then Christianity welcomes you, forgives you ( a concept notably absent in Jewish culture) and lightens the load. You can blend in, if you want, and gain Heaven and the greatest achievement of the Jews all at once. Not a bad deal, really.

    If it’s “letting the bastards win”, well, why do think it’s okay to take taxpayer money from Christians to support Israel? From what moral right do you ask anything of a Christian or Christian society? Why do belly ache about a victim status you clearly voluntarily embrace?

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    As far as I can tell, taxpayer support for Israel nowadays, especially during Republican administrations, is driven far more by the large Evangelical Christian community than by Jews. Evangelicals are a lot more enthusiastic about Netanyahu than many leftist secular American Jews who if anything lean toward the Palestinians nowadays.

    I'm not the one who appropriates funds for Israel. This is done by the majority vote of both houses of the US Congress and the President who are (according to their oaths) supposedly acting in the interests of the United States when they do so. Presumably they think that spending this money is helpful to our country or they wouldn't do it. (I don't accept the alternate explanation that they are traitors or puppets manipulated by the Elders of Zion - that 's an awful lot of traitors/puppets).
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  186. AM says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I've been oxygen-deprived at high altitude for the last week, so I never had the mental energy to learn who Scaramucci was. Now I'm down below 1000 feet, but it appears now that I didn't miss anything.

    I sort of glossed over the palace intrigue myself thinking I’d catch up at some point and discovered he was fired. That was easy. :)

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  187. I think this Irish writer was touching on another point about Jewish women in the professional world which no one here has addressed yet – Jewish females of mediocre intellect are riding the coattails of their men to positions of power for which they are ill-suited.

    In the legal world for example, you’ll often see Jewish women fast tracked to top positions very quickly based on the collective assumption that these women must have a hell of a lot to offer. They behave as if it’s their God-given right to be a partner yet, by and large, they simply can’t handle the stress levels and intellectual rigour necessary to do the job well. Many of them leave the profession after a few years burnt out and with bitter tastes in their mouths. They later become difficult housewives for more successful career-oriented Jewish men or else spinsters dedicating their 30s and 40s to quasi-lesbian causes.

    In addition, I find that Jewish women today are too nepotistic and shallow to become the successful Social Justice Warriors like they were in the 1960s when they basically defined the feminist movement in the Western World. The Betty Friedans have disappeared. Enter the bitter careerist failures.

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    The Betty Friedans have disappeared. Enter the bitter careerist failures.
     
    I tried to read the Feminist Mystique. I failed. Managed the first and last chapter. Betty Friedan is the epitome of the bitter careerist failure. All that book does is tear down mothers who keep their home and attend to their children as "dabblers" in occupations more "serious". The other fascinating topic is about how rich women are bored. (She interview Smith graduates for the book.)

    Of what I did read, Jewish and Catholic wives in particular were very resistant to her ideas. She had to content herself with the next generation abandoning their kids and homes, a process now pretty much complete.
    , @Lurker

    Jewish females of mediocre intellect are riding the coattails of their men to positions of power for which they are ill-suited.
     
    If you've seen/heard Vanessa Feltz and Claudia Winkleman on British TV/radio you'll know that both of them are unremarkable. They have nothing to say and endless opportunities to say it. Feltz at least has some kind of pseudo-journalistic background while Winkleman seems to have none (other than family connections). She rose without trace.

    A few years ago she was parachuted into the BBC's main movie review slot despite admitting she knew nothing about films. Of course this probably doesn't matter much these days with the vast number of alternatives online but, you know, still. And propped up with a co-host who actually did know what he was talking about, making her redundancy even more obvious.

    (The show was pioneered by one Barry Norman and he presented it for decades. His Dad, Leslie, directed the 1958 Dunkirk film)
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  188. AM says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    You guys are missing a major point.

    All that Kevin Myers did was present for a goyim audience information that was lauded earlier in the Jewish media, namely the Jewish Chronicle.

    https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/are-jews-an-ethnic-minority-the-bbc-doesn-t-think-so-1.441775

    When the BBC reported on its list of highest-paid broadcasters on its News at Ten last night, it said there was no one from an ethnic background in the top 20.

    Which was wrong (well, wrong depending on your definition of ethnic minority). For the top 20 included two Jewish women – Claudia Winkleman and Vanessa Feltz.
     
    also:

    Legally, however, Jews are clearly an ethnic, as well as religious minority, since they are protected under the Race Relations Act (as are Sikhs).
     
    Lets face it, a major part of Alt-Right media whether it is Steve Sailer, VDARE, The Daily Stormer, The Right Stuff, or for that matter, yes, David Duke is simply the rehashing of information that appears right out in the open in the Jewish media daily. And when you really make the effort to uncover the kryptos (AKA the Jon Stewarts, A. O. Scotts etc etc), what media today is not Jewish?

    And if it is not outright Jewish, it's otherwise pathetic Shabbos Goys trying not to run afoul of their Jewish masters. Of which the other 99.9% of Greg Easterbrook's career working for Michael Kinsley and his boss Marty Peretz at The New Republic is a prime example. 90% of what the Alt-Right does is ever so slightly reframe previously published by Jews for Jews material for the goyim to notice what is going on.

    This entire episode is simple another case of a goyim letting the other goyim know what the Jews are already talking about among themselves.

    For example whole affair was well covered by TheDailyStormer early this morning. And while I know many of us boomer generation Alt-Righters here would claim to turn up their noses at The Stormer it is hard to believe that much of Steve's audience is not reading it as well. Including Steve? I am sure the Stormer kids and certainly its staff are reading Sailer as well.

    As Lee Rogers at TheDailyStormer put it

    https://www.dailystormer.com/sunday-times-ireland-fires-columnist-for-questioning-why-bbcs-highest-paid-females-are-jews/

    Apparently it is OK for a Jew to talk to other Jews about such things but not for a non-Jew to do it.

    Oh well. This is just another case of Jewish privilege. If somebody says something that you feel leads to too much goyim knowing, you can just call up and get them fired. You can also get a gushing apology.
     

    And while I know many of us boomer generation Alt-Righters here would claim to turn up their noses at The Stormer it is hard to believe that much of Steve’s audience is not reading it as well.

    I was and am fascinated by the alt-right’s ability to talk freely about the JQ. I’ve read and thought enough about it, though, that I’m thoroughly sick of the matter. I don’t want yet another article explaining how one sneaky, fallen Jew is going to ruin Western Civilization while we ignore the 9 other ex-Christians that can’t keep their pants on and/or are consumed with me, myself, and I.

    Jews in high places are symptom of a rotting elite class (or completely collapsed). It’s right there in the OT, in the story of Joseph, in marvelous example form. Endless articles fascinated by how a group of ambitious, perpetual outsiders think and act in similar ways are another sign of the decline to me. And boring on top of it all.

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    But if Joseph didn't tell the Pharaoh to store up grain reserves for the coming famine, the Egyptian people would have starved. Maybe in an ideal world the Pharaoh would have had 1st class Egyptian advisers givings him good advice, but lacking them, wasn't he better off with a smart Jewish right hand man? What's wrong with allowing talented outsiders to help you? What does this say for America, which has been relying on talented immigrants (including but by no means limited to Jews) since day 1?

    Jews in high places are symptom of a rotting elite class
     
    The Nazis purged Jews from their elites and in their place they got drug addicts, gays, chicken farmers, frustrated artists, etc. who drove their nation into an abyss. The Soviets purged Jews and their economy stagnated to the point where they could no longer maintain an arms race. The Spanish purged their Jews and a little later England invited them in - the Spanish empire dwindled and the British empire spanned the globe. America won both WWII and the Cold War. So which is the better strategy?
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  189. eah says:
    @eah
    Exclusive: “Roseanne” Revival Will Feature “Gender Creative” 9 Year Old Son of Darlene and David

    The new 9 year old Mark will be “gender creative.” According to my spies, the casting call asks for a kid who can play “sensitive and effeminate” and “displays qualities of both young female and male traits.”

    ‘Roseanne’ Gets 8-Episode Reboot at ABC

    The original series executive producers Tom Werner and Bruce Helford are also on board to executive produce alongside Barr and Gilbert.

    So the producers of this rehash 0f trash which will feature a 9 y/o male trannie are Tom Werner, Bruce Helford, Roseanne Barr, and Sara Gilbert -- while I could not find definitive info on Helford, the others are Jews.

    She doesn’t say why.

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  190. eah says:
    @PV van der Byl
    On July 19, The Guardian published a list of the 96 on-air employees of the BBC who were paid more than 150,000 pounds/year

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jul/19/who-earns-what-among-bbcs-top-talent

    Chris Evans (2,200,000-2,249,000 pounds p.a.) and Gary Lineker (1,750,000-1,799,000 pounds p.a.) were the top two. Compensation dropped significantly over the next several places in the ranking.

    Claudia Winkleman came in at #9 (450,000-499,000 pounds) and Vanessa Feltz at # 15 (350,000-399,000 pounds). While paid much less than the top men, they were the highest paid women.

    I can’t tell for sure how many of the 96 are Jewish, but the only other names that strike me as likely to be Jewish are: Len Goodman (#54 at 200,000-249,000), Alan Yentob (#57 at 200,000-249,000), and Simon Schama (#96 at 150,000-199,000).

    By my reckoning then, Jews appear to be slightly under 5% of the top-paid BBC staff and the two Jewish women are paid much more than the (I'm guessing) three Jewish men.

    As mentioned in my post above (#79), Winkleman's family connections seem ideal for a journalism career, with her mother, father, and stepfather all senior editors of British newspapers.

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    What is it that you think that risible list confirms—or denies?

    Or are you simply trying to demonstrate how statistically-challenged you, and also by extension, this Morgoth character, are?

    If the Jewish population of the UK is 269,000 (and that would not include those with only Jewish fathers) and the total population is 65 million, then they are 0.414% of the total.

    Morgoth has apparently listed every Jew and half-Jew (e.g. Stephen Fry, Sue Perkins, Rachel Riley) at the BBC, including even those without regular paychecks from the BBC (most in the “regular pundit” category). This comes to 57 people.

    The BBC has a total of 23,000 employees; 57/23,000 < 0.25%.

    Now, you might argue that this isn’t important because Jews have a disproportionate number of high-level, high-paying slots.

    It looks like I had actually overestimated the number of Jews among the top-paid 96 at five in my prior post when, as the list of your authority Morgoth indicates, only four Jews are among the top 96. That would bring up the Jewish BBC percentage to more than its percentage of the general UK population of 65 million:

    4/96 = 4.2%

    But, the senior employees of the BBC are hardly a cross-section of the general UK population are they?

    Very, very few of them come from working-class backgrounds or speak with strong regional accents or even weak regional accents.

    BBC staff are overwhelmingly upper middle class in background and privately educated. Virtually all hold university degrees and those usually from the more prestigious institutions rather than the “red brick” universities.

    While less than 1% of the people in the UK hold degrees from either Oxford or Cambridge, 33% of BBC executives do (https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/aug/28/elitism-in-britain-breakdown-by-profession).

    As it happens, most (2/3 or more) of the UK Jewish population shares the same age cohorts, educational and class background of senior BBC staff and are heavily concentrated in metropolitan London. That would be 180,000 UK Jews.

    Obviously, the BBC considers more people than just the Oxbridge graduates (1% of the total population) for senior positions but it is unlikely to be more than 5% of the general population. Let’s say it is 3% - 5% or 1.95 million - 3.25 million people who have some chance of making into the BBC in professional roles.

    So, what percentage are UK Jews of the potential BBC pool?

    180,000/1,950,000 = 9.2% (upper bound)

    180,000/3,250,000 = 5.54% (lower bound)

    And Jews turn out to be 4.2% of the top ranks.

    Wow.

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  191. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Age of Empire: Colonization.

    Fall of Empire: De-Colonization.

    Rise of Glob: Re-Colonization.

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  192. utu says:
    @Jack D
    1st of all, adopting Christianity means letting the bastard win. 2nd, history say it doesn't work - the Inquisition kept on persecuting Jews AFTER they converted (accused them of not REALLY converting). Ditto the Nazis.

    Inquisition kept on persecuting Jews AFTER they converted

    Almost correct. Inquisition could not prosecute Jews before they converted because it did not have jurisdiction over them. Benzion Netanyahu claims that prosecution of former Jews in Spain was unjust and was in fact a persecution because their conversion was genuine and they did not practice crypto Judaism. Not everybody agrees.

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  193. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Jack D
    But Jennifer Lawrence is still only 26. What is her "sell by" date for female ingenue roles? 32? Felicity Jones was 32 when Rogue One was released. How much longer will she be able to get such roles? There are a lot of Hollywood actresses whose big screen careers are OVER when they hit 35. Even you say that 42 is beyond the limit. We are genetically programmed to regard postmenopausal woman as unsuitable for mating and therefore not sexually attractive.

    Even you say that 42 is beyond the limit.

    I didn’t say she wouldn’t be acting at 42, just that she wouldn’t have the same roles. Amy Adams is a year older than Bradley Cooper and she’s pretty active in Hollywood. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Jennifer Lawrence still acting when she’s Amy Adams’s age.

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    Amy Adams, though attractive, does not play the bombshell roles. Jennifer Lawrence always screams "Sex!" You can tell the difference in American Hustle, which features both (plus Bradley Cooper). Adams is a love (and sex) interest for both male leads. But Lawrence, when she pops up a good way into the movie, is about nothing but sex (and being loony yet generally insightful).

    She was terribly miscast in Hunger Games, which should've featured a starving, desperate, emaciated teen. Instead it got a va-va-voom woman. Didn't matter, because people liked looking at her.
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  194. @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    So what you are saying is that Mr. and Mrs. Jews get married and have a Jewish child then get divorced to go off to have romps with well connected Gentiles... It's a case of having your cake and keeping it too, no?

    What I am saying is that the most important attributes of these very influential–and sometimes also well-paid–people are the industry connections they have, often from birth, and that the family connections reinforce those.

    Religious differences or similarities are second order. Being Jewish (or whatever) may help but is hardly sufficient. To get important doors to open in media businesses, it really helps to have parents, step-parents, or siblings with juice.

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  195. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    Chris Pratt is really still making his transition from overweight comedic TV actor to leading man though.

    I suspect we'll see Lawrence's replacement sooner rather than later.

    I’m not much of a Jennifer Lawrence fan, to be honest (I find her offscreen personality annoying), but Winter’s Bone came out 7 years ago, and there’s no one her age or younger who’s made anything close to her impact critically or at the box office. So, I’d guess her replacement will come later rather than sooner.

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  196. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D

    And they despite their high intelligence they never seem to figure out what it is that causes this animosity
     
    But the Zionists did figure this out and decided that in order to end it the Jews had to get their own country (back on the territory they originally came from and which was taken from them by the Romans) where they could only oppress each other and not be accused of oppressing the goyim, and when they got it, people told them that they were racist oppressors and colonialists and were occupying the territory illegally and should go back to where they came from. When my father was growing up in Poland, he often heard the slogan "Jews to Palestine!" from the (numerous) local anti-Semites but now I hear "Jews out of Palestine" instead. From this you might infer that some people would prefer that the Jews should simply not exist anywhere, period.

    You have to admit though that they were sort of asking for trouble setting up Israel there given the Arabs and European and Ottoman empires there.

    Israel probably should have been established in some less contentious place like in North America or something, although then it wouldn’t have been Israel and wouldn’t have had the religious and mythical significance to attract Jews, and in any case Americans and Canadians probably wouldn’t have ever allowed it. Sort of like the Jewish Autonomous Oblast which is in the Russian Far East:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

    In fact, the Jewish Autonomous Oblast is almost twice the area of Israel. It probably would be better if the JAO served as Israel in terms of conflict resolution. The only issue is that it’s a federal subject of Russia, though internally it’s autonomous and self-governing. If full independence were necessary, the US could broker a deal whereby Russia grants the JAO independence in exchange for lifting sanctions or letting Russia have the Ukraine or something. Of course the problem would remain that many Jews and especially all religious Jews wouldn’t recognize it since it isn’t Israel. But it should satisfy secular Zionists.

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    Alternative Zions could be an interesting genre of alternative history. Michael Chabon's "Yiddish Policeman's Union" is set in a present in which 2 million Yiddish-speakers descended from Ashkenazis rescued from the Nazis around 1940 live on an island in southeastern Alaska, but I don't know of any other examples. The Baja California proposal that was floated by a California Zionist around 1905 would seem particularly interesting to Americans, but I've never seen anybody develop it.
    , @AM

    Israel probably should have been established in some less contentious place like in North America or something, although then it wouldn’t have been Israel and wouldn’t have had the religious and mythical significance to attract Jews,
     
    A physical Israel created in any other place but historical and biblical Israel would not be that. You kind of get there by the end of the post, but it's not imagining the question through Orthodox Jewish eyes.

    We at least agree where historical Israel is. But if you take Jewish and Christian theology seriously, with elements of truth rather than presumptive atheism, an "alternative Zion" is a concept that lacks knowledge and respect for those two great traditions. I don't think you really meant it this way, but it's hard to avoid the "you're delusional and stupid, so this should make you happy" aspect of the suggestion.


    But it should satisfy secular Zionists.
     
    They're a transitional generation at best. Their children, unless they return to the faith, will not care about Israel in the least. What's it to them? It's just a sentimentality of their parents for their grandparents that oppresses Palestinians. At best they need to "remember the Holocaust", because that's far more pleasant in a strange way.


    Secular Jews caucus with the Democrats in the US. There's not a whole lot of flinching about pro-Palestinian views even now. When the Boomers are dead, I suspect the logical next step is to be openly anti-Israel and perhaps openly anti-Semitic. The next generation simply will have no investment in any piece of Jewish identity or theology and will quite agree with you that Israel could be anywhere on the planet, so why not in the place they already call home? Israel will simply be an embarrassment to them.

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  197. utu says:
    @jack ryan
    Karl I think Hebrews dominate the "American" media for a reason, the same reason Italian Americans dominated the highest levels of organized crime from the 1920s - 1970s.

    It's an ethnic mafia that strongly excludes people not in this ethnic/tribe.

    Ted Turner married Hanoi Jane Fonda, adopted near perfect Left Coast Lib politics, merged CNN Turner Broadcasting with Time Warner Inc headed by Gerald Levin....

    Ted Turner was not accepted in to this West Coast, Hollywood Jewish Media Mafia and Ted Turner was practically never heard from again.

    Ted Turner was outplayed. He did not know what hit him when he lost control of CNN. I am sure the operation was well planned and well prepared to eliminate him from media. Media is too important to be left in hands of a guy who had independent ideas about USSR, Cuba and many other things. No mavericks are allowed to be in charge of media.

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  198. @Anonymous
    You have to admit though that they were sort of asking for trouble setting up Israel there given the Arabs and European and Ottoman empires there.

    Israel probably should have been established in some less contentious place like in North America or something, although then it wouldn't have been Israel and wouldn't have had the religious and mythical significance to attract Jews, and in any case Americans and Canadians probably wouldn't have ever allowed it. Sort of like the Jewish Autonomous Oblast which is in the Russian Far East:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

    In fact, the Jewish Autonomous Oblast is almost twice the area of Israel. It probably would be better if the JAO served as Israel in terms of conflict resolution. The only issue is that it's a federal subject of Russia, though internally it's autonomous and self-governing. If full independence were necessary, the US could broker a deal whereby Russia grants the JAO independence in exchange for lifting sanctions or letting Russia have the Ukraine or something. Of course the problem would remain that many Jews and especially all religious Jews wouldn't recognize it since it isn't Israel. But it should satisfy secular Zionists.

    Alternative Zions could be an interesting genre of alternative history. Michael Chabon’s “Yiddish Policeman’s Union” is set in a present in which 2 million Yiddish-speakers descended from Ashkenazis rescued from the Nazis around 1940 live on an island in southeastern Alaska, but I don’t know of any other examples. The Baja California proposal that was floated by a California Zionist around 1905 would seem particularly interesting to Americans, but I’ve never seen anybody develop it.

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    The Kimberley Plan was another.

    “The Kimberley Plan, or Kimberley Scheme, was a failed plan by the Freeland League to resettle Jewish refugees from Europe before and during the Holocaust.

    The League, led by Isaac Nachman Steinberg, selected the Kimberley region in Australia in hope to buy an area of 7 million acres (28,000 km²) of agricultural land for 75,000 Jews fleeing Europe.”

    Rachael Kohn: But this would be an entirely Jewish community, wouldn’t it?

    Leon Gettler: Oh yes. The idea was that they would have complete cultural autonomy, although they would follow the laws of the nation. So they weren’t talking about a Jewish State, per se, but a Jewish colony.

    At the time, his writings were waxing lyrical about the opportunity for a total re-birth in a world free from the age-old hatreds of Europe. And it was a world where settlers would write Jewish poems in Yiddish about the kangaroo and the kookaburra. And he said, you know, ‘Yet their voice would be the voice of Israel, and the sigh of their songs would be Jewish’. And this was what it was all about, it was going to be a rebirth of the Jewish nation in the Kimberley.”

    ...

    Rachael Kohn: Well it may seem improbable today, but he did gain a great deal of support from some very impressive people in Australia. Can you talk about his supporters, which included the Duracks, the great pastoralist family.

    Leon Gettler: Well it was actually the Duracks’ land. They had actually gone out with him to explore the area. The bottom had fallen out of the beef industry at that time, this is the ’30s, and they needed to offload that land.

    Now Steinberg provided a perfect opportunity.

    But there was also a huge number of supporters from all over Australia. Labor politicians, like John Cain Sr, Conservatives like Frederick Eccleston, there were leading businessmen, scientists, judges, media representatives, including the then Chairman of the ABC, William Cleary. There was a former New South Wales Premier and Supreme Court Judge, Sir Thomas Bavin, there was a Commonwealth Minister for Repatriation, Eric Harrison, there was a designer of the Sydney Harbour Bridge, Dr John Bradfield. It was huge.”

    Huge you say? Amazing I say! I’d bet if the same proposal were put up today Bolt, Blair and Franklin would be the first in line to lay out the red carpet. Probably mandate the entire Eastern Suburbs of Sydney as the least we can for the Jew’s full due and entitlement.

    Even “Archbishop Mannix of Melbourne threw his support behind it.” and in “…a rare display of unity. You had Archbishop Mannix saying this scheme would “wipe out the stain upon our common humanity”. You had his Anglican counterpart, Dr Howard Mowll, in Sydney, urging the government to sanction the project. You know there were calls of support also from the Primate of Australia, the Moderator-General of the Presbyterian Church, Reverend Robert Wilson Macaulay; and the President-General of the Methodist Church, Reverend Weller.

    The most vocal ally was the Anglican Bishop Coadjutor of Sydney, Charles Venn Pilcher, and he was getting involved in a whole lot of organisations promoting Jewish causes, including the New South Wales Council of Christians and Jews, the Australian Council for Jewish Rights, the Inter-Church Committee for non-Aryan Christian Refugees, and the New South Wales Australia-Palestine Committee. And during the war, Pilcher was campaigning vigorously against the prejudice that was confronting migrants arriving in Australia, and he was saying Australians were playing Hitler’s game by refusing to help refugees.”

    My God, when will this anti-semitism end?! Ah but of course, there’s always the Jew Baiters:

    “…one can easily imagine how the idea of a large Jewish semi-autonomous settlement in the country would arouse the suspicions of anyone with even a moderate sense of national unity. Is it any wonder to you that this scheme also brought out the Jew-baiters?”

    I suppose that if the Australian Government sought to purchase Jerusalem for its own White people’s “complete cultural autonomy, although they would follow the laws of the nation.” of Israel this would be just hunky dory to Gettler and Kohn. It wouldn’t bring out the White Baiters? Would Gettler find opposition “…almost Hitlerian.” as he does the few White voices he quotes in opposition?

    , @Studley
    The Kimberley Plan, 1930s-40s, Western Australia, Northern Territory.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberley_Plan
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  199. Deeb2 says:

    Yes, Kill Bill was so distressingly violent, it immediately reminded me of both WWII and slavery in the American South.

    Did Kill Bill writer/director/creator Quentin Tarantino’s Italian half not learn anything from all the WWII atrocities his Italian relatives helped commit about glorifying the killing of the helpless as a fun lifestyle choice?

    Did Kill Bill writer/director/creator Quentin Tarantino’s Southern American half not learn anything from all the black people his relatives enslaved, oppressed, raped, and murdered about glorifying the killing of the helpless as a fun lifestyle choice?

    (taken from “List of things Gregg Easterbrook would never have written under any circumstance”).

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  200. guest says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Even you say that 42 is beyond the limit.
     
    I didn't say she wouldn't be acting at 42, just that she wouldn't have the same roles. Amy Adams is a year older than Bradley Cooper and she's pretty active in Hollywood. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jennifer Lawrence still acting when she's Amy Adams's age.

    Amy Adams, though attractive, does not play the bombshell roles. Jennifer Lawrence always screams “Sex!” You can tell the difference in American Hustle, which features both (plus Bradley Cooper). Adams is a love (and sex) interest for both male leads. But Lawrence, when she pops up a good way into the movie, is about nothing but sex (and being loony yet generally insightful).

    She was terribly miscast in Hunger Games, which should’ve featured a starving, desperate, emaciated teen. Instead it got a va-va-voom woman. Didn’t matter, because people liked looking at her.

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    Does Jennifer Lawrence play many bombshell roles (aside from that one in American Hustle)? I guess playing Sharon Tate would count, but Tate's sister says Lawrence isn't hot enough to play her, and Margot Robbie should get the role instead.
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  201. whoever says: • Website
    @Anonym
    I wish they had video online of Reggie White's hilariously frank discussion about the virtues of different races. He made a comment that Jews were good at making money or some such, which of course became a big media event. I can't remember the exact quote. I would like to post it in relation to things like this but I can't obviously. Does anyone remember the quote?

    In this New York Times article about Reggie White‘s remarks, it reports he said “whites ‘know how to tap into money.”’ (Emphasis mine.)
    I wonder if that is bowdlerization, since “whites” is not included in the quote, or if you are misremembering the reference as being about Jews.
    This bit cracked me up:
    “He also said that early Americans chose to enslave blacks, rather than Indians, ”because Indians knew the territory, and knew how to sneak up on people.”’
    His remarks seem harmless and even a bit funny. But it is kind of shocking to realize that even 20 years ago, such chatter was deemed out of bounds.

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    More like Indians could run away.

    Sneaking up could keep whites out of certain territory, especially if helped by the tough environment, like with the Comanche in the Southwest. But you couldn't kill enough whites where they were settled.

    You could avoid enslavement by running away to where whites weren't, though. Blacks couldn't run for the hills like that.
    , @Anonym
    Thanks! My recollection was that Reggie mentioned Jews but I seem to be wrong on that front unless it was memory-holed somehow.

    White said that homosexuality is ''one of the biggest sins'' in the Bible and said that he was ''offended'' by gay and lesbian groups that compare their struggle for civil rights to the struggles of African-Americans.

    ''In the process of history, homosexuals have never been castrated,'' as enslaved blacks were, he said. ''Millions of them never died. Homosexuality is a decision. It's not a race.''

    In his effort to promote racial harmony, the Packer player, who is black, said that each racial and ethnic group has its own ''gifts,'' that, when taken together, form ''a complete image of God.''

    But in describing those gifts, White said that blacks ''like to sing and dance,'' while whites ''know how to tap into money.'' He said that Hispanic people ''are gifted at family structure. You can see a Hispanic person and he can put 20 or 30 people in one home.''

    Asians, he said, know how to ''turn a television into a watch.'' American Indians, he said, ''have been very gifted'' in ''spirituality.''

    He also said that early Americans chose to enslave blacks, rather than Indians, ''because Indians knew the territory, and knew how to sneak up on people.''
     
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  202. @Steve Sailer
    Alternative Zions could be an interesting genre of alternative history. Michael Chabon's "Yiddish Policeman's Union" is set in a present in which 2 million Yiddish-speakers descended from Ashkenazis rescued from the Nazis around 1940 live on an island in southeastern Alaska, but I don't know of any other examples. The Baja California proposal that was floated by a California Zionist around 1905 would seem particularly interesting to Americans, but I've never seen anybody develop it.

    The Kimberley Plan was another.

    “The Kimberley Plan, or Kimberley Scheme, was a failed plan by the Freeland League to resettle Jewish refugees from Europe before and during the Holocaust.

    The League, led by Isaac Nachman Steinberg, selected the Kimberley region in Australia in hope to buy an area of 7 million acres (28,000 km²) of agricultural land for 75,000 Jews fleeing Europe.”

    Rachael Kohn: But this would be an entirely Jewish community, wouldn’t it?

    Leon Gettler: Oh yes. The idea was that they would have complete cultural autonomy, although they would follow the laws of the nation. So they weren’t talking about a Jewish State, per se, but a Jewish colony.

    At the time, his writings were waxing lyrical about the opportunity for a total re-birth in a world free from the age-old hatreds of Europe. And it was a world where settlers would write Jewish poems in Yiddish about the kangaroo and the kookaburra. And he said, you know, ‘Yet their voice would be the voice of Israel, and the sigh of their songs would be Jewish’. And this was what it was all about, it was going to be a rebirth of the Jewish nation in the Kimberley.”

    Rachael Kohn: Well it may seem improbable today, but he did gain a great deal of support from some very impressive people in Australia. Can you talk about his supporters, which included the Duracks, the great pastoralist family.

    Leon Gettler: Well it was actually the Duracks’ land. They had actually gone out with him to explore the area. The bottom had fallen out of the beef industry at that time, this is the ’30s, and they needed to offload that land.

    Now Steinberg provided a perfect opportunity.

    But there was also a huge number of supporters from all over Australia. Labor politicians, like John Cain Sr, Conservatives like Frederick Eccleston, there were leading businessmen, scientists, judges, media representatives, including the then Chairman of the ABC, William Cleary. There was a former New South Wales Premier and Supreme Court Judge, Sir Thomas Bavin, there was a Commonwealth Minister for Repatriation, Eric Harrison, there was a designer of the Sydney Harbour Bridge, Dr John Bradfield. It was huge.”

    Huge you say? Amazing I say! I’d bet if the same proposal were put up today Bolt, Blair and Franklin would be the first in line to lay out the red carpet. Probably mandate the entire Eastern Suburbs of Sydney as the least we can for the Jew’s full due and entitlement.

    Even “Archbishop Mannix of Melbourne threw his support behind it.” and in “…a rare display of unity. You had Archbishop Mannix saying this scheme would “wipe out the stain upon our common humanity”. You had his Anglican counterpart, Dr Howard Mowll, in Sydney, urging the government to sanction the project. You know there were calls of support also from the Primate of Australia, the Moderator-General of the Presbyterian Church, Reverend Robert Wilson Macaulay; and the President-General of the Methodist Church, Reverend Weller.

    The most vocal ally was the Anglican Bishop Coadjutor of Sydney, Charles Venn Pilcher, and he was getting involved in a whole lot of organisations promoting Jewish causes, including the New South Wales Council of Christians and Jews, the Australian Council for Jewish Rights, the Inter-Church Committee for non-Aryan Christian Refugees, and the New South Wales Australia-Palestine Committee. And during the war, Pilcher was campaigning vigorously against the prejudice that was confronting migrants arriving in Australia, and he was saying Australians were playing Hitler’s game by refusing to help refugees.”

    My God, when will this anti-semitism end?! Ah but of course, there’s always the Jew Baiters:

    “…one can easily imagine how the idea of a large Jewish semi-autonomous settlement in the country would arouse the suspicions of anyone with even a moderate sense of national unity. Is it any wonder to you that this scheme also brought out the Jew-baiters?”

    I suppose that if the Australian Government sought to purchase Jerusalem for its own White people’s “complete cultural autonomy, although they would follow the laws of the nation.” of Israel this would be just hunky dory to Gettler and Kohn. It wouldn’t bring out the White Baiters? Would Gettler find opposition “…almost Hitlerian.” as he does the few White voices he quotes in opposition?

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  203. guest says:
    @whoever
    In this New York Times article about Reggie White's remarks, it reports he said "whites 'know how to tap into money.''' (Emphasis mine.)
    I wonder if that is bowdlerization, since "whites" is not included in the quote, or if you are misremembering the reference as being about Jews.
    This bit cracked me up:
    "He also said that early Americans chose to enslave blacks, rather than Indians, ''because Indians knew the territory, and knew how to sneak up on people.'''
    His remarks seem harmless and even a bit funny. But it is kind of shocking to realize that even 20 years ago, such chatter was deemed out of bounds.

    More like Indians could run away.

    Sneaking up could keep whites out of certain territory, especially if helped by the tough environment, like with the Comanche in the Southwest. But you couldn’t kill enough whites where they were settled.

    You could avoid enslavement by running away to where whites weren’t, though. Blacks couldn’t run for the hills like that.

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  204. Anonym says:
    @whoever
    In this New York Times article about Reggie White's remarks, it reports he said "whites 'know how to tap into money.''' (Emphasis mine.)
    I wonder if that is bowdlerization, since "whites" is not included in the quote, or if you are misremembering the reference as being about Jews.
    This bit cracked me up:
    "He also said that early Americans chose to enslave blacks, rather than Indians, ''because Indians knew the territory, and knew how to sneak up on people.'''
    His remarks seem harmless and even a bit funny. But it is kind of shocking to realize that even 20 years ago, such chatter was deemed out of bounds.

    Thanks! My recollection was that Reggie mentioned Jews but I seem to be wrong on that front unless it was memory-holed somehow.

    White said that homosexuality is ”one of the biggest sins” in the Bible and said that he was ”offended” by gay and lesbian groups that compare their struggle for civil rights to the struggles of African-Americans.

    ”In the process of history, homosexuals have never been castrated,” as enslaved blacks were, he said. ”Millions of them never died. Homosexuality is a decision. It’s not a race.”

    In his effort to promote racial harmony, the Packer player, who is black, said that each racial and ethnic group has its own ”gifts,” that, when taken together, form ”a complete image of God.”

    But in describing those gifts, White said that blacks ”like to sing and dance,” while whites ”know how to tap into money.” He said that Hispanic people ”are gifted at family structure. You can see a Hispanic person and he can put 20 or 30 people in one home.”

    Asians, he said, know how to ”turn a television into a watch.” American Indians, he said, ”have been very gifted” in ”spirituality.”

    He also said that early Americans chose to enslave blacks, rather than Indians, ”because Indians knew the territory, and knew how to sneak up on people.”

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  205. Keith Vaz says:

    There is more than one newspaper in Ireland. Hit them where it hurts. Boycott The Times until it reinstates Mr Myers for telling the truth about the (((BBC)))

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  206. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @guest
    Amy Adams, though attractive, does not play the bombshell roles. Jennifer Lawrence always screams "Sex!" You can tell the difference in American Hustle, which features both (plus Bradley Cooper). Adams is a love (and sex) interest for both male leads. But Lawrence, when she pops up a good way into the movie, is about nothing but sex (and being loony yet generally insightful).

    She was terribly miscast in Hunger Games, which should've featured a starving, desperate, emaciated teen. Instead it got a va-va-voom woman. Didn't matter, because people liked looking at her.

    Does Jennifer Lawrence play many bombshell roles (aside from that one in American Hustle)? I guess playing Sharon Tate would count, but Tate’s sister says Lawrence isn’t hot enough to play her, and Margot Robbie should get the role instead.

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    Her breakout role--Winter's Bone--was definitely anti-bombshell. Her Oscar-winning performance was as a recovering sexpot who had gone on a spree of sleeping with strangers after her husband died. She was more or less a regular sort of girl, minus the mental health problems. Hunger Games I mentioned.

    After those, she didn't have to play to her sexiness, and could get any leading lady role she wanted, presumably. X-Men, however, came along before Hunger Games and Silver Linings Playbook. She was locked into several sequels playing what is essentially a masturbatory fantasy.

    I haven't seen anything else of hers.
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  207. guest says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Does Jennifer Lawrence play many bombshell roles (aside from that one in American Hustle)? I guess playing Sharon Tate would count, but Tate's sister says Lawrence isn't hot enough to play her, and Margot Robbie should get the role instead.

    Her breakout role–Winter’s Bone–was definitely anti-bombshell. Her Oscar-winning performance was as a recovering sexpot who had gone on a spree of sleeping with strangers after her husband died. She was more or less a regular sort of girl, minus the mental health problems. Hunger Games I mentioned.

    After those, she didn’t have to play to her sexiness, and could get any leading lady role she wanted, presumably. X-Men, however, came along before Hunger Games and Silver Linings Playbook. She was locked into several sequels playing what is essentially a masturbatory fantasy.

    I haven’t seen anything else of hers.

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  208. AM says:
    @Canadian Observer
    I think this Irish writer was touching on another point about Jewish women in the professional world which no one here has addressed yet - Jewish females of mediocre intellect are riding the coattails of their men to positions of power for which they are ill-suited.

    In the legal world for example, you'll often see Jewish women fast tracked to top positions very quickly based on the collective assumption that these women must have a hell of a lot to offer. They behave as if it's their God-given right to be a partner yet, by and large, they simply can't handle the stress levels and intellectual rigour necessary to do the job well. Many of them leave the profession after a few years burnt out and with bitter tastes in their mouths. They later become difficult housewives for more successful career-oriented Jewish men or else spinsters dedicating their 30s and 40s to quasi-lesbian causes.

    In addition, I find that Jewish women today are too nepotistic and shallow to become the successful Social Justice Warriors like they were in the 1960s when they basically defined the feminist movement in the Western World. The Betty Friedans have disappeared. Enter the bitter careerist failures.

    The Betty Friedans have disappeared. Enter the bitter careerist failures.

    I tried to read the Feminist Mystique. I failed. Managed the first and last chapter. Betty Friedan is the epitome of the bitter careerist failure. All that book does is tear down mothers who keep their home and attend to their children as “dabblers” in occupations more “serious”. The other fascinating topic is about how rich women are bored. (She interview Smith graduates for the book.)

    Of what I did read, Jewish and Catholic wives in particular were very resistant to her ideas. She had to content herself with the next generation abandoning their kids and homes, a process now pretty much complete.

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  209. Redman says:
    @Jack D
    It wasn't just noticing that these 2 reporters were Jewish. It was, first of all, noticing in connection with an offensive (if back-handedly complimentary) stereotype - that they are Jewish and therefore hard bargainers. And in bringing up this stereotype unnecessarily in connection with a completely unrelated argument about sex discrimination. In case you have been living in a hole for last 30 years, it's no longer OK to publicly pronounce stereotypes about minorities, even positive ones, such as "blacks are really good dancers" , especially out of the blue in an article about why male movie stars make more $ than female stars. Maybe it should be OK but Myers was incredibly out of touch with the Current Year if he thought that he could still talk this way in public and not expect backlash.

    The point Jack is that it “shouldn’t be” wrong to state one’s views openly as Myers did. You may disagree (and I don’t think you get what he was saying) but it seems you are in support of the media making Myers into a pariah. You’re the one out of touch, at least with respect to the blog you’re on.

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  210. AM says:
    @Anonymous
    You have to admit though that they were sort of asking for trouble setting up Israel there given the Arabs and European and Ottoman empires there.

    Israel probably should have been established in some less contentious place like in North America or something, although then it wouldn't have been Israel and wouldn't have had the religious and mythical significance to attract Jews, and in any case Americans and Canadians probably wouldn't have ever allowed it. Sort of like the Jewish Autonomous Oblast which is in the Russian Far East:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

    In fact, the Jewish Autonomous Oblast is almost twice the area of Israel. It probably would be better if the JAO served as Israel in terms of conflict resolution. The only issue is that it's a federal subject of Russia, though internally it's autonomous and self-governing. If full independence were necessary, the US could broker a deal whereby Russia grants the JAO independence in exchange for lifting sanctions or letting Russia have the Ukraine or something. Of course the problem would remain that many Jews and especially all religious Jews wouldn't recognize it since it isn't Israel. But it should satisfy secular Zionists.

    Israel probably should have been established in some less contentious place like in North America or something, although then it wouldn’t have been Israel and wouldn’t have had the religious and mythical significance to attract Jews,

    A physical Israel created in any other place but historical and biblical Israel would not be that. You kind of get there by the end of the post, but it’s not imagining the question through Orthodox Jewish eyes.

    We at least agree where historical Israel is. But if you take Jewish and Christian theology seriously, with elements of truth rather than presumptive atheism, an “alternative Zion” is a concept that lacks knowledge and respect for those two great traditions. I don’t think you really meant it this way, but it’s hard to avoid the “you’re delusional and stupid, so this should make you happy” aspect of the suggestion.

    But it should satisfy secular Zionists.

    They’re a transitional generation at best. Their children, unless they return to the faith, will not care about Israel in the least. What’s it to them? It’s just a sentimentality of their parents for their grandparents that oppresses Palestinians. At best they need to “remember the Holocaust”, because that’s far more pleasant in a strange way.

    Secular Jews caucus with the Democrats in the US. There’s not a whole lot of flinching about pro-Palestinian views even now. When the Boomers are dead, I suspect the logical next step is to be openly anti-Israel and perhaps openly anti-Semitic. The next generation simply will have no investment in any piece of Jewish identity or theology and will quite agree with you that Israel could be anywhere on the planet, so why not in the place they already call home? Israel will simply be an embarrassment to them.

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    But you have to remember that Zionism i.e. modern Zionism, the Zionism that actually founded the modern state of Israel, as opposed to the religious Zionism that persisted as a kind of mythical telos, was originally and arguably still is a secular movement.

    Theodor Herzl was not religious and his vision for a Jewish state was a secular and quite liberal one. Herzl also considered Argentina as a possible location for a Jewish state rather than Palestine.
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  211. Studley says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Alternative Zions could be an interesting genre of alternative history. Michael Chabon's "Yiddish Policeman's Union" is set in a present in which 2 million Yiddish-speakers descended from Ashkenazis rescued from the Nazis around 1940 live on an island in southeastern Alaska, but I don't know of any other examples. The Baja California proposal that was floated by a California Zionist around 1905 would seem particularly interesting to Americans, but I've never seen anybody develop it.

    The Kimberley Plan, 1930s-40s, Western Australia, Northern Territory.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberley_Plan

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  212. @anon
    Murdoch is a jew with a sense of humor.

    Speaking about his support for a Yes vote in the Scottish Independence Referendum, he said,
    ''I'm half Scottish, on my father's side.''

    An Australian friend of mine is friends with Murdoch’s mother’s family, the Greens. He went to Rupert’s mother’s funeral when she died at 100+. He says that only Americans assume that no Brits are talented enough at the newspaper game to be Press Barons.

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    Murdoch’s Deeply Hidden Jewish Roots — A Biography
    http://www.shoah.org.uk/2011/07/18/murdoch%E2%80%99s-deeply-hidden-jewish-roots-%E2%80%94-a-biography/

    .... “Rupert’s father Sir Keith Murdoch attained his prominent position in Australian society through a fortuitous marriage to the daughter of a wealthy Jewish family, née Elisabeth Joy Greene. Through his wife’s connections, Keith Murdoch was subsequently promoted from reporter to chairman of the British-owned newspaper where he worked. There was enough money to buy himself a knighthood of the British realm, two newspapers in Adelaide, South Australia, and a radio station in a faraway mining town,” Candour wrote in 1984. “For some reason, Murdoch has always tried to hide the fact that his pious mother brought him up as a Jew.”
    While Murdoch may have “tried to hide” his Jewish roots, he has been quite forthright about his support for extreme right-wing Zionists, such as Benjamin Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon.....
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  213. res says:
    @guest
    "No one from an ethnic background"

    What, were they raised in labs? I know "ethnic" is codeword for non-white, but it occasionally strikes me in the face that They think people like me are an ethnic blank.

    I'm of mixed Western European stock, mostly Scottish, Irish, German and Swiss. Born and raised in the U.S., which got most of its culture from England. I was raised Catholic and have studied the classics of Ancient Greece and Rome, with which I feel a distant affinity. I'm roughly familiar with European High Culture, especially history, art, and philosophy.

    Look for my ethnicity, and what do you find? Nothing. I don't have one.

    I know “ethnic” is codeword for non-white, but it occasionally strikes me in the face that They think people like me are an ethnic blank.

    It’s the same kind of “they all look alike to me” thinking that makes the diverse go nuclear when it is applied to them rather than by them. It saddens me that so many people seem simply not to realize that it is easier to make fine distinctions within more familiar groups. I would add that I don’t think this “familiarity” has to imply it is one’s own group, rather that one has extended experience interacting with a wide range of individuals in a group. In this light, I can see why some relatively well assimilated minorities might be a bit sensitive since they probably understand the dominant group better than vice versa.

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  214. Lurker says:
    @Anonymous

    In 2009, he wrote a column for The Belfast Telegraph ... “There was no Holocaust, and six million Jews were not murdered by the Third Reich.” The article accepted that there had been a deliberate mass genocide against the Jews of Europe, but said that the term “holocaust” was inaccurate and that the exact number of dead could not be known.

    ... In 2005, Mr. Myers was widely criticized for a column in The Irish Times in which he referred to the children of single parents as “bastards.” Writing about foreign aid to Africa in The Irish Independent in 2008, he said that in contrast, “Africa, with its vast savannahs and its lush pastures, is giving almost nothing to anyone, apart from AIDS.”
     
    But to peddle the existence of a stereotype about Jews, that they drive hard bargains? No, sir, that is crossing the line.

    I think his crime was not the hard bargaining bit but the “Jews are not noted”. He drew attention to them as a group. A group who cannot possibly exist or be ‘noted’.

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  215. Lurker says:
    @Bugg
    Jonathan Lebowitz doesn't roll off the tongue. Having an obviously ethnic Jewish name hasn't slowed down Jerry Seinfeld nor Larry David.

    I’m not sure that Larry David is an obviously ethnic jewish name?

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  216. Lurker says:
    @Whiskey
    More like the dude got fired for running afoul of women. Jews not popular in Britain BC Muslims. Lots more women than Jews and Jews are disliked by the Sjw set that back Corbyn. A benefit to sjws us that mass Muslims stuck it to Jews and White working class dual enemies.

    Easterbrooj fired for heresy against sjw. If Jews ran Hollywood Muslims would be bad guys not saintly victims.

    Yeah, sure, that must be it.

    The fact they were women was already in play, the supposed pay gap between men and women at the BBC has been swirling about for days. Yet now we’re supposed to think he got in trouble for them being women?

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  217. hyperbola says:
    @Steve Sailer
    An Australian friend of mine is friends with Murdoch's mother's family, the Greens. He went to Rupert's mother's funeral when she died at 100+. He says that only Americans assume that no Brits are talented enough at the newspaper game to be Press Barons.

    Murdoch’s Deeply Hidden Jewish Roots — A Biography

    http://www.shoah.org.uk/2011/07/18/murdoch%E2%80%99s-deeply-hidden-jewish-roots-%E2%80%94-a-biography/

    …. “Rupert’s father Sir Keith Murdoch attained his prominent position in Australian society through a fortuitous marriage to the daughter of a wealthy Jewish family, née Elisabeth Joy Greene. Through his wife’s connections, Keith Murdoch was subsequently promoted from reporter to chairman of the British-owned newspaper where he worked. There was enough money to buy himself a knighthood of the British realm, two newspapers in Adelaide, South Australia, and a radio station in a faraway mining town,” Candour wrote in 1984. “For some reason, Murdoch has always tried to hide the fact that his pious mother brought him up as a Jew.”
    While Murdoch may have “tried to hide” his Jewish roots, he has been quite forthright about his support for extreme right-wing Zionists, such as Benjamin Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon…..

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    Fake news on a stupid Arabist website, posted by an anonymous anti-semite retard.

    Murdoch's mother was a famous and beloved figure in Australia and of British and Irish ancestry.

    The only "evidence" Dame Elisabeth Murdoch is Jewish is her maiden name of Greene. Her direct-line paternal ancestor was William Henry Greene, born in 1830 in Drogheda, County Louth, Ireland. Based on his name, birthplace in the Pale, and wife's surname (Covett or Govett) he was likely Anglo-Irish.
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  218. Thea says:
    @Irish Paleo
    That's true. There's an increasing gulf between what Jews with real skin in the civilisational game (i.e. ones imminently threatened by local Muslim populations such as those of Israel and, increasingly, Europe) believe and what sheltered American $PLC and Soros types do. It's a sign of the times that Jews in France now vote for the FN whilst one of the UK's most prominent immigration restrictionists, Philip Goodhart, is Jewish. By contrast, American Jews seem to be living in a Groundhog Day time loop where it's always 1942.

    Interesting,

    When their white gentile neighbors are in trouble, they don’t care. But when they face trouble all of the sudden it matters.

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    When "push comes to shove" jews will side with the moslems against western (gentile) societies.
    , @iffen
    When their white gentile neighbors are in trouble, they don’t care. But when they face trouble all of the sudden it matters.

    So you are saying that Jews are just like all other groups?
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  219. Lurker says:
    @Canadian Observer
    I think this Irish writer was touching on another point about Jewish women in the professional world which no one here has addressed yet - Jewish females of mediocre intellect are riding the coattails of their men to positions of power for which they are ill-suited.

    In the legal world for example, you'll often see Jewish women fast tracked to top positions very quickly based on the collective assumption that these women must have a hell of a lot to offer. They behave as if it's their God-given right to be a partner yet, by and large, they simply can't handle the stress levels and intellectual rigour necessary to do the job well. Many of them leave the profession after a few years burnt out and with bitter tastes in their mouths. They later become difficult housewives for more successful career-oriented Jewish men or else spinsters dedicating their 30s and 40s to quasi-lesbian causes.

    In addition, I find that Jewish women today are too nepotistic and shallow to become the successful Social Justice Warriors like they were in the 1960s when they basically defined the feminist movement in the Western World. The Betty Friedans have disappeared. Enter the bitter careerist failures.

    Jewish females of mediocre intellect are riding the coattails of their men to positions of power for which they are ill-suited.

    If you’ve seen/heard Vanessa Feltz and Claudia Winkleman on British TV/radio you’ll know that both of them are unremarkable. They have nothing to say and endless opportunities to say it. Feltz at least has some kind of pseudo-journalistic background while Winkleman seems to have none (other than family connections). She rose without trace.

    A few years ago she was parachuted into the BBC’s main movie review slot despite admitting she knew nothing about films. Of course this probably doesn’t matter much these days with the vast number of alternatives online but, you know, still. And propped up with a co-host who actually did know what he was talking about, making her redundancy even more obvious.

    (The show was pioneered by one Barry Norman and he presented it for decades. His Dad, Leslie, directed the 1958 Dunkirk film)

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    I just googled Vanessa Feltz - that woman is a whale!
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  220. Thea says:
    @Matra
    I think that since Brexit and Trump in 2016, the first “denial” type reaction of the PC police has been to conclude that they have been too liberal in the level of debate and discourse

    After Brexit I actually allowed myself to hope there'd be some liberal/prog introspection. By the time we got to the American election I realised they were too far gone for that.

    It’s a sign of the times that Jews in France now vote for the FN

    I haven't seen much evidence of this but if true then it might be because North African Sephardim make up a greater share of the French Jewish population. The leftists in the US are overwhelmingly Ashkenazi Jews.

    Liberals cannot engage in introspection because they are always pushing for progress. Utopia is just around the corner. Our problems are a result of not having reached it, yet not from a flaw in their reasoning.

    I think you mean the most Ashkenazi are leftists. We have too many leftists and too few Ashkenzi for the reverse.

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  221. Jack D says:
    @AM

    1st of all, adopting Christianity means letting the bastard win. 2nd, history say it doesn’t work – the Inquisition kept on persecuting Jews AFTER they converted (accused them of not REALLY converting). Ditto the Nazis
     
    .

    Ah, so I see you've got a reason to tear into and down the faith of Christians.

    And yes, converting Jews does actually work for the cohesion of your society, which is why they dabbled in doing forcibly and/or the insane attempt to certify it as in the Inquisition. (By the way, Catholic Priests tended to rubber stamp the new converts as real, because they didn't agree with force either.)

    I'm there with you that force doesn't work because it's immoral, but the voluntary method is quite a rational thing. The Merchant of Venice is a story about redemption.

    I agree that the Holocaust was also quite the thing, with Germany getting their comeuppance for it right now. However, easily as many Christians as Jews were killed during it, some of those Christians in defense of said Jews.

    Again, no victim status here with me. If you don't like being Jewish, if it's a terrible burden, then Christianity welcomes you, forgives you ( a concept notably absent in Jewish culture) and lightens the load. You can blend in, if you want, and gain Heaven and the greatest achievement of the Jews all at once. Not a bad deal, really.

    If it's "letting the bastards win", well, why do think it's okay to take taxpayer money from Christians to support Israel? From what moral right do you ask anything of a Christian or Christian society? Why do belly ache about a victim status you clearly voluntarily embrace?

    As far as I can tell, taxpayer support for Israel nowadays, especially during Republican administrations, is driven far more by the large Evangelical Christian community than by Jews. Evangelicals are a lot more enthusiastic about Netanyahu than many leftist secular American Jews who if anything lean toward the Palestinians nowadays.

    I’m not the one who appropriates funds for Israel. This is done by the majority vote of both houses of the US Congress and the President who are (according to their oaths) supposedly acting in the interests of the United States when they do so. Presumably they think that spending this money is helpful to our country or they wouldn’t do it. (I don’t accept the alternate explanation that they are traitors or puppets manipulated by the Elders of Zion – that ‘s an awful lot of traitors/puppets).

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    I must respectfully disagree with your premise that the U S Congress and the President are acting in our interests by spending U S taxpayer dollars on Israel.
    There ARE a lot of "traitors" in our midst--those Congressmen and Senators who hold "dual citizenship" with Israel. Let's not forget the thousands of "dual citizenship" policy wonks who are infecting our State Department and other federal government departments. Any decisions that these "dual citizenship" types make are suspect; the question needs to be asked: "Is it good for the United States?" or "Is it good for Israel?". FOLLOW THE (American taxpayer provided) SHEKELS.
    Dual citizenship is dangerous as it opens the door to all kinds of nefarious behavior and exerts an undue foreign influence on American policy that is NOT "good for America".
    If I had my way, the 40 or so "dual citizenship" Congress critters along with their "dual citizenship" staffs would be summarily deported with permanent, irreversible loss of American citizenship. That also goes for the "dual citizenship" policy wonks infecting MY country's government.
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  222. Jack D says:
    @AM

    And while I know many of us boomer generation Alt-Righters here would claim to turn up their noses at The Stormer it is hard to believe that much of Steve’s audience is not reading it as well.
     
    I was and am fascinated by the alt-right's ability to talk freely about the JQ. I've read and thought enough about it, though, that I'm thoroughly sick of the matter. I don't want yet another article explaining how one sneaky, fallen Jew is going to ruin Western Civilization while we ignore the 9 other ex-Christians that can't keep their pants on and/or are consumed with me, myself, and I.

    Jews in high places are symptom of a rotting elite class (or completely collapsed). It's right there in the OT, in the story of Joseph, in marvelous example form. Endless articles fascinated by how a group of ambitious, perpetual outsiders think and act in similar ways are another sign of the decline to me. And boring on top of it all.

    But if Joseph didn’t tell the Pharaoh to store up grain reserves for the coming famine, the Egyptian people would have starved. Maybe in an ideal world the Pharaoh would have had 1st class Egyptian advisers givings him good advice, but lacking them, wasn’t he better off with a smart Jewish right hand man? What’s wrong with allowing talented outsiders to help you? What does this say for America, which has been relying on talented immigrants (including but by no means limited to Jews) since day 1?

    Jews in high places are symptom of a rotting elite class

    The Nazis purged Jews from their elites and in their place they got drug addicts, gays, chicken farmers, frustrated artists, etc. who drove their nation into an abyss. The Soviets purged Jews and their economy stagnated to the point where they could no longer maintain an arms race. The Spanish purged their Jews and a little later England invited them in – the Spanish empire dwindled and the British empire spanned the globe. America won both WWII and the Cold War. So which is the better strategy?

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    The Spanish purged their Jews and a little later England invited them in
     
    A little later??? How about 150 years later by which time England had already gained supremacy over Spain and was beginning to supplant the Netherlands, the Spanish Jews new flophouse, in global trade. Cromwell only let the Jews back into England to help to finance his over extended military adventures.
    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    I find your analysis a rather simplistic reading of the Story of Joseph.

    Joseph set himself set himself as the Pharoh's tax farmer and got to the business of hoarding the produce of the land and then made a killing selling the peasants back their grain during the lean times. Every Egyptian was familiar with the cyclical nature of the Nile floods. The Pharoah's problem was that he could not find a fellow Egyptian hateful, ruthless and diabolical enough to do what Joseph did that to his own people. "Intelligence" had nothing to do with it.

    And yes the Egyptians revolted against the Jews numerous times for good reason.

    see

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apion
    , @AM

    Maybe in an ideal world the Pharaoh would have had 1st class Egyptian advisers givings him good advice, but lacking them, wasn’t he better off with a smart Jewish right hand man?
     
    No sane leader would have elevate Joseph, a stranger, a foreign prisoner accused of rape, they way that Pharaoh did, on the strength of one dream interpretation. There's only one plausible motivation: crazy, entitled, and indifferent to the welfare of his court and people.

    Egyptians were known for their inbreeding their Pharaohs to the extreme, so we have probable cause of crazy covered. Remember, also, how the butler and baker knew Joseph. An angry, erratic moment with the Pharaoh that landed them both in jail for the crime of: being a butler and a baker in the service of Pharaoh. That's stellar moment of sanity right there.

    Meanwhile, rationing food is hardly a genius brilliant idea that would require an outsider to mange. I'm sure the court was managing that to some extent already. It's probable, though, that Pharaoh didn't want to hear it from them and jumped at the chance to bring completely dependent, totally grateful outsider into the court. Joseph would be completely dependent on Pharaoh's whims alone, while his court advisers would more naturally have all of Egypt in mind and at least attempt to push back.

    So a Jew in a high place is exactly what I said it was: a symptom of elite collapse. It's not that any particular Jew is better or smarter than the average bear, it's just their ambition puts them in the right places for when things do start to collapse. They also appear to be relatively blind to motivations of outsiders, so when things are falling apart, they seem to lack to instinct to run for the hills.


    The Nazis purged Jews from their elites and in their place they got drug addicts, gays, chicken farmers, frustrated artists, etc. who drove their nation into an abyss.
     
    The Jews were a part of how the Nazis came to power. The Weirmar Republic is marked by a heavy Jewish cultural influence, which is why Hilter could even gain traction with his anti-semitic rallies. The chaos of 1920's Germany cannot be understated. Also, it's clear that pockets of European Jews have historically held grudges against their Christian neighbors, with German Jews being a quite large group of them. There have been moments in time were Jews have revealed all their fallen nature through extortion type usury on loans, etc.

    Look what you said to me, even. "Letting the bastard win" and you're atheist and we mostly agree otherwise. I'm okay with rejecting my discussion about Christianity, but was that a wise thing to say to a Christian? Was it respectful? Now carry that attitude back in time and you can see there's a natural adversarial relationship unless both parties really work at. Jews are not naturally invested in other people's societies and it makes perfect sense.

    The Jews are special because they're of God's creation and have a special protection and relationship that I believe is real simply because I'm chatting with you. But it's not because they do amazing things when in the positions they seem to historically covet so badly. They just shoot themselves and their host countries in the foot.

    , @peterike

    The Soviets purged Jews and their economy stagnated to the point where they could no longer maintain an arms race

     

    Then why were there plenty around to pick up all the post-Yeltsin spoils and become the new oligarchs? And I'm not an economist, but having a Communist government for 60 or 70 years might have had a bit more to do with economic stagnation than a bunch of Jewish gangsters enriching us all by moving to Brighton Beach.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    the British empire spanned the globe

     

    The German Empire would have spanned Eurasia if we didn't intervene.
    , @utu
    The Nazis purged Jews from their elites and in their place they got drug addicts, gays, chicken farmers, frustrated artists, etc. who drove their nation into an abyss. The Soviets purged Jews and their economy stagnated to the point where they could no longer maintain an arms race. The Spanish purged their Jews and a little later England invited them in – the Spanish empire dwindled and the British empire spanned the globe. America won both WWII and the Cold War. So which is the better strategy?

    You actually believe it?

    What about this possibility: Spain got rid of Jews 202 years too late. England did it in 1290. Thanks to it England could develop its own ethnic merchant class that was loyal to the country and state. England enjoyed Judenfrei status almost 400 years. This is the chief reason why the industrial revolution began in England which was the backbone of British power and empire.
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  223. Jack D says:
    @whorefinder
    The eternal Jewish paranoia about being outed as Jews is quite breathtaking.

    I remember reading Ivanhoe (written in the 19th Century) and the author, Walter Scott, noted that medieval Jews were forced to wear yellow clothing to identify themselves as Jews to others. (One of Scott's minor goals in the book was to push for English society of his time to be more accepting of Jews/not out them)

    So those of you who think the National Socialists came up with the idea about yellow stars have been misled.

    Jews, of course, have rational reasons for such paranoia; when societies have identified them as not-of-the-local-nation, there have been exclusions and punishments and restrictions. But they also have rational selfish reasons for it: if their numbers are not noted by the goyim, then the ethnic networking they employ and their controls on the levers of power cannot be questioned as being contrary to the local people, as people are generally unaware that they are not of the local people.

    You are way behind the times. Old school – passing as white. New school – flight from white.

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    Old school – passing as white. New school – flight from white.
     
    Grad schul — why not be either when Tribally convenient?

    “How do you do, fellow white people?”
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  224. anarchyst says:
    @Jack D
    As far as I can tell, taxpayer support for Israel nowadays, especially during Republican administrations, is driven far more by the large Evangelical Christian community than by Jews. Evangelicals are a lot more enthusiastic about Netanyahu than many leftist secular American Jews who if anything lean toward the Palestinians nowadays.

    I'm not the one who appropriates funds for Israel. This is done by the majority vote of both houses of the US Congress and the President who are (according to their oaths) supposedly acting in the interests of the United States when they do so. Presumably they think that spending this money is helpful to our country or they wouldn't do it. (I don't accept the alternate explanation that they are traitors or puppets manipulated by the Elders of Zion - that 's an awful lot of traitors/puppets).

    I must respectfully disagree with your premise that the U S Congress and the President are acting in our interests by spending U S taxpayer dollars on Israel.
    There ARE a lot of “traitors” in our midst–those Congressmen and Senators who hold “dual citizenship” with Israel. Let’s not forget the thousands of “dual citizenship” policy wonks who are infecting our State Department and other federal government departments. Any decisions that these “dual citizenship” types make are suspect; the question needs to be asked: “Is it good for the United States?” or “Is it good for Israel?”. FOLLOW THE (American taxpayer provided) SHEKELS.
    Dual citizenship is dangerous as it opens the door to all kinds of nefarious behavior and exerts an undue foreign influence on American policy that is NOT “good for America”.
    If I had my way, the 40 or so “dual citizenship” Congress critters along with their “dual citizenship” staffs would be summarily deported with permanent, irreversible loss of American citizenship. That also goes for the “dual citizenship” policy wonks infecting MY country’s government.

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  225. anarchyst says:
    @Thea
    Interesting,

    When their white gentile neighbors are in trouble, they don't care. But when they face trouble all of the sudden it matters.

    When “push comes to shove” jews will side with the moslems against western (gentile) societies.

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  226. @Jack D
    But if Joseph didn't tell the Pharaoh to store up grain reserves for the coming famine, the Egyptian people would have starved. Maybe in an ideal world the Pharaoh would have had 1st class Egyptian advisers givings him good advice, but lacking them, wasn't he better off with a smart Jewish right hand man? What's wrong with allowing talented outsiders to help you? What does this say for America, which has been relying on talented immigrants (including but by no means limited to Jews) since day 1?

    Jews in high places are symptom of a rotting elite class
     
    The Nazis purged Jews from their elites and in their place they got drug addicts, gays, chicken farmers, frustrated artists, etc. who drove their nation into an abyss. The Soviets purged Jews and their economy stagnated to the point where they could no longer maintain an arms race. The Spanish purged their Jews and a little later England invited them in - the Spanish empire dwindled and the British empire spanned the globe. America won both WWII and the Cold War. So which is the better strategy?

    The Spanish purged their Jews and a little later England invited them in

    A little later??? How about 150 years later by which time England had already gained supremacy over Spain and was beginning to supplant the Netherlands, the Spanish Jews new flophouse, in global trade. Cromwell only let the Jews back into England to help to finance his over extended military adventures.

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  227. @Jack D
    But if Joseph didn't tell the Pharaoh to store up grain reserves for the coming famine, the Egyptian people would have starved. Maybe in an ideal world the Pharaoh would have had 1st class Egyptian advisers givings him good advice, but lacking them, wasn't he better off with a smart Jewish right hand man? What's wrong with allowing talented outsiders to help you? What does this say for America, which has been relying on talented immigrants (including but by no means limited to Jews) since day 1?

    Jews in high places are symptom of a rotting elite class
     
    The Nazis purged Jews from their elites and in their place they got drug addicts, gays, chicken farmers, frustrated artists, etc. who drove their nation into an abyss. The Soviets purged Jews and their economy stagnated to the point where they could no longer maintain an arms race. The Spanish purged their Jews and a little later England invited them in - the Spanish empire dwindled and the British empire spanned the globe. America won both WWII and the Cold War. So which is the better strategy?

    I find your analysis a rather simplistic reading of the Story of Joseph.

    Joseph set himself set himself as the Pharoh’s tax farmer and got to the business of hoarding the produce of the land and then made a killing selling the peasants back their grain during the lean times. Every Egyptian was familiar with the cyclical nature of the Nile floods. The Pharoah’s problem was that he could not find a fellow Egyptian hateful, ruthless and diabolical enough to do what Joseph did that to his own people. “Intelligence” had nothing to do with it.

    And yes the Egyptians revolted against the Jews numerous times for good reason.

    see

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apion

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  228. guest says:
    @whorefinder
    The eternal Jewish paranoia about being outed as Jews is quite breathtaking.

    I remember reading Ivanhoe (written in the 19th Century) and the author, Walter Scott, noted that medieval Jews were forced to wear yellow clothing to identify themselves as Jews to others. (One of Scott's minor goals in the book was to push for English society of his time to be more accepting of Jews/not out them)

    So those of you who think the National Socialists came up with the idea about yellow stars have been misled.

    Jews, of course, have rational reasons for such paranoia; when societies have identified them as not-of-the-local-nation, there have been exclusions and punishments and restrictions. But they also have rational selfish reasons for it: if their numbers are not noted by the goyim, then the ethnic networking they employ and their controls on the levers of power cannot be questioned as being contrary to the local people, as people are generally unaware that they are not of the local people.

    I remember the Ivanhoe movie, staring Jewish convert Liz Taylor and a lot of other people whom I forget. They spend a lot of time and sympathy on the character Isaac of York, who’s a moneylender of a particular faith.

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  229. AM says:
    @guest
    "No one from an ethnic background"

    What, were they raised in labs? I know "ethnic" is codeword for non-white, but it occasionally strikes me in the face that They think people like me are an ethnic blank.

    I'm of mixed Western European stock, mostly Scottish, Irish, German and Swiss. Born and raised in the U.S., which got most of its culture from England. I was raised Catholic and have studied the classics of Ancient Greece and Rome, with which I feel a distant affinity. I'm roughly familiar with European High Culture, especially history, art, and philosophy.

    Look for my ethnicity, and what do you find? Nothing. I don't have one.

    I’m of mixed Western European stock, mostly Scottish, Irish, German and Swiss. Born and raised in the U.S., which got most of its culture from England. I was raised Catholic and have studied the classics of Ancient Greece and Rome… Look for my ethnicity, and what do you find? Nothing. I don’t have one.

    You have an id, if you want it.

    If I could convince you that Catholicism has truth involved and get your hiney in Mass each week, your ethnicity would be American Catholic, like me. (Although truthfully, I’m cheering at American Baptists or American Pentecostal – anything but “Gosh, I’m a nothing”.)

    You have to looking to find if Catholic Christianity is true, rather than the usual, easy “Well, I met a bunch of lame-o people who have no clue, so clearly that’s Catholicism.” No, it’s not. If you’ve studied Greece and Rome, Catholicism only integrates that and adds on from there. It’s just the lame brains running the church don’t want to think anymore or mention that anyone could not make it Heaven. It’s participation trophies on steroids with the current culture. We went from too rigid and rule oriented to lovey-feely empty brained hippies in less than 50 years.

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    The Vatican II Ecumenical Council did more to destroy the Catholic Church than just about any other action. Jews and Protestants were notable figures involved in Vatican II who "helped" the Catholic Church "modernize".
    Outlawing the Tridentine Mass, changing the language from Latin to the vernacular, did much to destroy the Church's "universality". Previous to Vatican II, one could attend any Roman Catholic Mass anywhere in the world and understand it. That was all lost with Vatican II. There has been some pushback from traditional pre-Vatican II Catholics (yes, we do exist) that have removed most of the restrictions on the celebration of this Mass.
    In pre-Vatican II times, the priest was considered the "peoples' representative" and faced the altar, along with the congregation. Turning the priest around to face the congregation changed him from being a peoples' representative to becoming an "actor".
    One of the greatest heresies was the absolution of the Jews for the Crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. As the Jews DID take full responsibility, this change in doctrine elevated Jews to the position of "our elder brothers" rather than the bloodthirsty executioners and enemies of Christianity that they (still) are. As is the case today, they got others (the Romans) to do their "dirty work" for them. Even Pontius Pilate KNEW that the Jews wanted the blood of an innocent man on their hands. As he was afraid of Jewish riots, (which were common) he allowed the crucifixion to go on.
    It is interesting to note that, to this day, there is a visceral hatred of Jesus Christ and Christianity among most Jews, their Talmud reinforcing their hatred.
    Contrast that with the Islamic Qur'an which holds high regard for Jesus Christ--not as the Son of God, but an esteemed prophet, nevertheless, while his mother Mary is specifically mentioned in the Qur'an and is given a place of high honor.
    For those interested in traditional pre-Vatican II Catholicism, please look up the "Society of St. Pius X". You may be presently surprised. Regards,
    , @guest
    I meant I didn't have an ethnicity in the eyes of what I termed "They," which is the enemy. Not that I actually have no ethnicity. I do, though it's complicated.

    I came of age in the lovey-feely era. My priests weren't hippies or anything, but there was basically zero discipline. Weekly religion class was a chance to hang out with friends. They warned us about preparing for confirmation, but no one so much as cracked the catechism. We interviewed with the father as a group, and I don't remember him testing us or even asking questions.

    Anyhoo, I have been reading the scholastics lately. A much-abused group.
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  230. iffen says:
    @Thea
    Interesting,

    When their white gentile neighbors are in trouble, they don't care. But when they face trouble all of the sudden it matters.

    When their white gentile neighbors are in trouble, they don’t care. But when they face trouble all of the sudden it matters.

    So you are saying that Jews are just like all other groups?

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    Except for Lutheran Minnesotans...
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  231. Thea says:
    @iffen
    When their white gentile neighbors are in trouble, they don’t care. But when they face trouble all of the sudden it matters.

    So you are saying that Jews are just like all other groups?

    Except for Lutheran Minnesotans…

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  232. AM says:
    @Jack D
    But if Joseph didn't tell the Pharaoh to store up grain reserves for the coming famine, the Egyptian people would have starved. Maybe in an ideal world the Pharaoh would have had 1st class Egyptian advisers givings him good advice, but lacking them, wasn't he better off with a smart Jewish right hand man? What's wrong with allowing talented outsiders to help you? What does this say for America, which has been relying on talented immigrants (including but by no means limited to Jews) since day 1?

    Jews in high places are symptom of a rotting elite class
     
    The Nazis purged Jews from their elites and in their place they got drug addicts, gays, chicken farmers, frustrated artists, etc. who drove their nation into an abyss. The Soviets purged Jews and their economy stagnated to the point where they could no longer maintain an arms race. The Spanish purged their Jews and a little later England invited them in - the Spanish empire dwindled and the British empire spanned the globe. America won both WWII and the Cold War. So which is the better strategy?

    Maybe in an ideal world the Pharaoh would have had 1st class Egyptian advisers givings him good advice, but lacking them, wasn’t he better off with a smart Jewish right hand man?

    No sane leader would have elevate Joseph, a stranger, a foreign prisoner accused of rape, they way that Pharaoh did, on the strength of one dream interpretation. There’s only one plausible motivation: crazy, entitled, and indifferent to the welfare of his court and people.

    Egyptians were known for their inbreeding their Pharaohs to the extreme, so we have probable cause of crazy covered. Remember, also, how the butler and baker knew Joseph. An angry, erratic moment with the Pharaoh that landed them both in jail for the crime of: being a butler and a baker in the service of Pharaoh. That’s stellar moment of sanity right there.

    Meanwhile, rationing food is hardly a genius brilliant idea that would require an outsider to mange. I’m sure the court was managing that to some extent already. It’s probable, though, that Pharaoh didn’t want to hear it from them and jumped at the chance to bring completely dependent, totally grateful outsider into the court. Joseph would be completely dependent on Pharaoh’s whims alone, while his court advisers would more naturally have all of Egypt in mind and at least attempt to push back.

    So a Jew in a high place is exactly what I said it was: a symptom of elite collapse. It’s not that any particular Jew is better or smarter than the average bear, it’s just their ambition puts them in the right places for when things do start to collapse. They also appear to be relatively blind to motivations of outsiders, so when things are falling apart, they seem to lack to instinct to run for the hills.

    The Nazis purged Jews from their elites and in their place they got drug addicts, gays, chicken farmers, frustrated artists, etc. who drove their nation into an abyss.

    The Jews were a part of how the Nazis came to power. The Weirmar Republic is marked by a heavy Jewish cultural influence, which is why Hilter could even gain traction with his anti-semitic rallies. The chaos of 1920′s Germany cannot be understated. Also, it’s clear that pockets of European Jews have historically held grudges against their Christian neighbors, with German Jews being a quite large group of them. There have been moments in time were Jews have revealed all their fallen nature through extortion type usury on loans, etc.

    Look what you said to me, even. “Letting the bastard win” and you’re atheist and we mostly agree otherwise. I’m okay with rejecting my discussion about Christianity, but was that a wise thing to say to a Christian? Was it respectful? Now carry that attitude back in time and you can see there’s a natural adversarial relationship unless both parties really work at. Jews are not naturally invested in other people’s societies and it makes perfect sense.

    The Jews are special because they’re of God’s creation and have a special protection and relationship that I believe is real simply because I’m chatting with you. But it’s not because they do amazing things when in the positions they seem to historically covet so badly. They just shoot themselves and their host countries in the foot.

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    but was that a wise thing to say to a Christian? Was it respectful?
     
    And you said:

    Jews in high places are symptom of a rotting elite class (or completely collapsed)
     
    Was that a wise thing to say to a Jew? Was it respectful?

    I have to say (and I know that you may not have meant it that way) that is one of the most anti-Semitic things I have ever heard from someone who has (I presume) a full set of teeth and no visible swastika tattoos. You are saying that no Jew should be trusted near the levers of power. This is completely contrary to the American constitutional tradition which expressly eschewed religious tests. American office holders don't have to swear "on the oath of a Christian".
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  233. peterike says:
    @Jack D
    But if Joseph didn't tell the Pharaoh to store up grain reserves for the coming famine, the Egyptian people would have starved. Maybe in an ideal world the Pharaoh would have had 1st class Egyptian advisers givings him good advice, but lacking them, wasn't he better off with a smart Jewish right hand man? What's wrong with allowing talented outsiders to help you? What does this say for America, which has been relying on talented immigrants (including but by no means limited to Jews) since day 1?

    Jews in high places are symptom of a rotting elite class
     
    The Nazis purged Jews from their elites and in their place they got drug addicts, gays, chicken farmers, frustrated artists, etc. who drove their nation into an abyss. The Soviets purged Jews and their economy stagnated to the point where they could no longer maintain an arms race. The Spanish purged their Jews and a little later England invited them in - the Spanish empire dwindled and the British empire spanned the globe. America won both WWII and the Cold War. So which is the better strategy?

    The Soviets purged Jews and their economy stagnated to the point where they could no longer maintain an arms race

    Then why were there plenty around to pick up all the post-Yeltsin spoils and become the new oligarchs? And I’m not an economist, but having a Communist government for 60 or 70 years might have had a bit more to do with economic stagnation than a bunch of Jewish gangsters enriching us all by moving to Brighton Beach.

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    They were demoted from various positions and hindered in career advancement. They were still around in lower positions.
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  234. fitzGetty says:
    @The Z Blog
    Modern Irish seem to be much better speakers than writers. I find modern Irish writing, the sort in the press, to be pointlessly effusive. There's a foaming at the mouth vibe to it. Americans like plain talk and hate phonies, so the English and Irish can strike us a bit false, but Irish writing today is turgid.

    … the magnificent Colm Toibin is anything but turgid …

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  235. anarchyst says:
    @AM

    I’m of mixed Western European stock, mostly Scottish, Irish, German and Swiss. Born and raised in the U.S., which got most of its culture from England. I was raised Catholic and have studied the classics of Ancient Greece and Rome... Look for my ethnicity, and what do you find? Nothing. I don’t have one.
     
    You have an id, if you want it.

    If I could convince you that Catholicism has truth involved and get your hiney in Mass each week, your ethnicity would be American Catholic, like me. (Although truthfully, I'm cheering at American Baptists or American Pentecostal - anything but "Gosh, I'm a nothing".)

    You have to looking to find if Catholic Christianity is true, rather than the usual, easy "Well, I met a bunch of lame-o people who have no clue, so clearly that's Catholicism." No, it's not. If you've studied Greece and Rome, Catholicism only integrates that and adds on from there. It's just the lame brains running the church don't want to think anymore or mention that anyone could not make it Heaven. It's participation trophies on steroids with the current culture. We went from too rigid and rule oriented to lovey-feely empty brained hippies in less than 50 years.

    The Vatican II Ecumenical Council did more to destroy the Catholic Church than just about any other action. Jews and Protestants were notable figures involved in Vatican II who “helped” the Catholic Church “modernize”.
    Outlawing the Tridentine Mass, changing the language from Latin to the vernacular, did much to destroy the Church’s “universality”. Previous to Vatican II, one could attend any Roman Catholic Mass anywhere in the world and understand it. That was all lost with Vatican II. There has been some pushback from traditional pre-Vatican II Catholics (yes, we do exist) that have removed most of the restrictions on the celebration of this Mass.
    In pre-Vatican II times, the priest was considered the “peoples’ representative” and faced the altar, along with the congregation. Turning the priest around to face the congregation changed him from being a peoples’ representative to becoming an “actor”.
    One of the greatest heresies was the absolution of the Jews for the Crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. As the Jews DID take full responsibility, this change in doctrine elevated Jews to the position of “our elder brothers” rather than the bloodthirsty executioners and enemies of Christianity that they (still) are. As is the case today, they got others (the Romans) to do their “dirty work” for them. Even Pontius Pilate KNEW that the Jews wanted the blood of an innocent man on their hands. As he was afraid of Jewish riots, (which were common) he allowed the crucifixion to go on.
    It is interesting to note that, to this day, there is a visceral hatred of Jesus Christ and Christianity among most Jews, their Talmud reinforcing their hatred.
    Contrast that with the Islamic Qur’an which holds high regard for Jesus Christ–not as the Son of God, but an esteemed prophet, nevertheless, while his mother Mary is specifically mentioned in the Qur’an and is given a place of high honor.
    For those interested in traditional pre-Vatican II Catholicism, please look up the “Society of St. Pius X”. You may be presently surprised. Regards,

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    For those interested in traditional pre-Vatican II Catholicism, please look up the “Society of St. Pius X”. You may be presently surprised. Regards,
     
    I know who they are. They aren't helpful. We don't need Lutheranism. Again. Regular diocesan churches do offer the traditional mass.

    But that said, I agree that implementation of Vatican II was a full on disaster in the US. Meanwhile Poland had future Pope implement Vatican II there and their Catholicism is shining brighter than ever.

    Vatican II was not supposed to remove all Latin from liturgy. In other countries, for instance, the Nicene Creed is said in Latin. There are obvious ways to make the Mass universal and understandable and many countries have taken that route. There was nothing about removing Gregorian Chant for pop music or facing the congregation rather than the altar.

    Basically, Vatican II was intended to give exactly one inch in several areas, with a reasonable idea that hearing the Gospels in the vernacular weekly would be helpful. Latin, after all, was the vernacular when the Mass was created.

    However, the US Bishops in particular used Vatican II to take a mile and as an excuse to remake the Mass as a Protestant service. Once it was established as "tradition", it was all too late. Rome has regularly rebuked the American Bishops without much success, including their determined enforcement (rather than option) of standing communion in the hand. Popes, including St. Francis, only give Eucharist on the tongue, so the devil is not 100% here with Rome.
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  236. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @AM

    Israel probably should have been established in some less contentious place like in North America or something, although then it wouldn’t have been Israel and wouldn’t have had the religious and mythical significance to attract Jews,
     
    A physical Israel created in any other place but historical and biblical Israel would not be that. You kind of get there by the end of the post, but it's not imagining the question through Orthodox Jewish eyes.

    We at least agree where historical Israel is. But if you take Jewish and Christian theology seriously, with elements of truth rather than presumptive atheism, an "alternative Zion" is a concept that lacks knowledge and respect for those two great traditions. I don't think you really meant it this way, but it's hard to avoid the "you're delusional and stupid, so this should make you happy" aspect of the suggestion.


    But it should satisfy secular Zionists.
     
    They're a transitional generation at best. Their children, unless they return to the faith, will not care about Israel in the least. What's it to them? It's just a sentimentality of their parents for their grandparents that oppresses Palestinians. At best they need to "remember the Holocaust", because that's far more pleasant in a strange way.


    Secular Jews caucus with the Democrats in the US. There's not a whole lot of flinching about pro-Palestinian views even now. When the Boomers are dead, I suspect the logical next step is to be openly anti-Israel and perhaps openly anti-Semitic. The next generation simply will have no investment in any piece of Jewish identity or theology and will quite agree with you that Israel could be anywhere on the planet, so why not in the place they already call home? Israel will simply be an embarrassment to them.

    But you have to remember that Zionism i.e. modern Zionism, the Zionism that actually founded the modern state of Israel, as opposed to the religious Zionism that persisted as a kind of mythical telos, was originally and arguably still is a secular movement.

    Theodor Herzl was not religious and his vision for a Jewish state was a secular and quite liberal one. Herzl also considered Argentina as a possible location for a Jewish state rather than Palestine.

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    But you have to remember that Zionism i.e. modern Zionism, the Zionism that actually founded the modern state of Israel, as opposed to the religious Zionism that persisted as a kind of mythical telos, was originally and arguably still is a secular movement.
     
    I'm not sure your perception is 100% accurate on this point,but let's go with it anyway for the purposes of this discussion.

    These are still transitional generations. Jewish theology couldn't be more clear on the point of a physical promised land in a particular place on the planet. Israel is simply not Israel if it's in Argentina. There's nothing at all in the OT to give the impression that it's a "spiritual" promised land. (That's a Christian notion, by the way. That God's Kingdom is the Kingdom of Heaven and not to be found anywhere in particular on earth.)

    Anyway, the moment you think, well let's put Israel over here because "easier" or "more resources" or "it's just spiritual" is the moment you're stepping away from authentic Jewish theology. That's not sustainable. Maybe it's not in just one generation, but certainly it doesn't last more than a few.

    Either you're passing on orthodoxy and setting an example...or you're moving away from it, bending it to your own desires, and losing identity and motivation in the process. The natural end result of such motion is to not be Jewish and lack of interest in any Israel.

    It's not like I'm making up the end result as some sort of amazing prophecy, either. I'm just pointing out where we are. A breath taking number of American Jews think to be Jewish is to "remember the Holocaust" and "be a good person" and literally nothing more. They're already pro-Palestinian. Once their children no longer even have sense of "Jewish" (that's assuming they bothered with some) other than maybe last name, they'll be openly anti-Semitic and anti-Israel, too in all probability.
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  237. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    The Soviets purged Jews and their economy stagnated to the point where they could no longer maintain an arms race

     

    Then why were there plenty around to pick up all the post-Yeltsin spoils and become the new oligarchs? And I'm not an economist, but having a Communist government for 60 or 70 years might have had a bit more to do with economic stagnation than a bunch of Jewish gangsters enriching us all by moving to Brighton Beach.

    They were demoted from various positions and hindered in career advancement. They were still around in lower positions.

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  238. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Maybe you GOYIM need another 9/11 False Flag to get you back to worshiping your Masters and the most holy Holocaust™?

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

    We might have a surprise this October, when our good friend Trump wants to start another War for Israel, this time against Iran.

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  239. Steve,
    Glad to see you have some BBC and Times mixed in with your NYT sources. There is plenty of grist for the mill around the world and your multi-culti fanbase will appreciate the additions.

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  240. @Jack D
    You are way behind the times. Old school - passing as white. New school - flight from white.

    Old school – passing as white. New school – flight from white.

    Grad schul — why not be either when Tribally convenient?

    “How do you do, fellow white people?”

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  241. AM says:
    @Anonymous
    But you have to remember that Zionism i.e. modern Zionism, the Zionism that actually founded the modern state of Israel, as opposed to the religious Zionism that persisted as a kind of mythical telos, was originally and arguably still is a secular movement.

    Theodor Herzl was not religious and his vision for a Jewish state was a secular and quite liberal one. Herzl also considered Argentina as a possible location for a Jewish state rather than Palestine.

    But you have to remember that Zionism i.e. modern Zionism, the Zionism that actually founded the modern state of Israel, as opposed to the religious Zionism that persisted as a kind of mythical telos, was originally and arguably still is a secular movement.

    I’m not sure your perception is 100% accurate on this point,but let’s go with it anyway for the purposes of this discussion.

    These are still transitional generations. Jewish theology couldn’t be more clear on the point of a physical promised land in a particular place on the planet. Israel is simply not Israel if it’s in Argentina. There’s nothing at all in the OT to give the impression that it’s a “spiritual” promised land. (That’s a Christian notion, by the way. That God’s Kingdom is the Kingdom of Heaven and not to be found anywhere in particular on earth.)

    Anyway, the moment you think, well let’s put Israel over here because “easier” or “more resources” or “it’s just spiritual” is the moment you’re stepping away from authentic Jewish theology. That’s not sustainable. Maybe it’s not in just one generation, but certainly it doesn’t last more than a few.

    Either you’re passing on orthodoxy and setting an example…or you’re moving away from it, bending it to your own desires, and losing identity and motivation in the process. The natural end result of such motion is to not be Jewish and lack of interest in any Israel.

    It’s not like I’m making up the end result as some sort of amazing prophecy, either. I’m just pointing out where we are. A breath taking number of American Jews think to be Jewish is to “remember the Holocaust” and “be a good person” and literally nothing more. They’re already pro-Palestinian. Once their children no longer even have sense of “Jewish” (that’s assuming they bothered with some) other than maybe last name, they’ll be openly anti-Semitic and anti-Israel, too in all probability.

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  242. @Lurker

    Jewish females of mediocre intellect are riding the coattails of their men to positions of power for which they are ill-suited.
     
    If you've seen/heard Vanessa Feltz and Claudia Winkleman on British TV/radio you'll know that both of them are unremarkable. They have nothing to say and endless opportunities to say it. Feltz at least has some kind of pseudo-journalistic background while Winkleman seems to have none (other than family connections). She rose without trace.

    A few years ago she was parachuted into the BBC's main movie review slot despite admitting she knew nothing about films. Of course this probably doesn't matter much these days with the vast number of alternatives online but, you know, still. And propped up with a co-host who actually did know what he was talking about, making her redundancy even more obvious.

    (The show was pioneered by one Barry Norman and he presented it for decades. His Dad, Leslie, directed the 1958 Dunkirk film)

    I just googled Vanessa Feltz – that woman is a whale!

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  243. Lot says:
    @hyperbola
    Murdoch’s Deeply Hidden Jewish Roots — A Biography
    http://www.shoah.org.uk/2011/07/18/murdoch%E2%80%99s-deeply-hidden-jewish-roots-%E2%80%94-a-biography/

    .... “Rupert’s father Sir Keith Murdoch attained his prominent position in Australian society through a fortuitous marriage to the daughter of a wealthy Jewish family, née Elisabeth Joy Greene. Through his wife’s connections, Keith Murdoch was subsequently promoted from reporter to chairman of the British-owned newspaper where he worked. There was enough money to buy himself a knighthood of the British realm, two newspapers in Adelaide, South Australia, and a radio station in a faraway mining town,” Candour wrote in 1984. “For some reason, Murdoch has always tried to hide the fact that his pious mother brought him up as a Jew.”
    While Murdoch may have “tried to hide” his Jewish roots, he has been quite forthright about his support for extreme right-wing Zionists, such as Benjamin Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon.....

    Fake news on a stupid Arabist website, posted by an anonymous anti-semite retard.

    Murdoch’s mother was a famous and beloved figure in Australia and of British and Irish ancestry.

    The only “evidence” Dame Elisabeth Murdoch is Jewish is her maiden name of Greene. Her direct-line paternal ancestor was William Henry Greene, born in 1830 in Drogheda, County Louth, Ireland. Based on his name, birthplace in the Pale, and wife’s surname (Covett or Govett) he was likely Anglo-Irish.

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    Aha, a Greene from the Pale .... surely a Joo. My aunt by marriage was a 1st cousin of Lorne Greene (Bonanza) - definitely a Joo.
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  244. Lot says:
    @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    Talk about Jews and Gentiles... Steve Case, the Hawaii born WASP flimflamed Gerald Levin, the New York Jew (domiciled) into merging worthless AOL with valuable Time Warner... who says sweet talking Christians can't take gullible Jews to the cleaners?

    At the time AOL wasn’t worthless, it was making a ton of money. The problem is that its valuation assumed its continued growth, when in fact the price of cable internet and DSL rapidly declined and took over the market.

    Some of it was fraud however. One thing Case-era AOL did was sign deals with scammy Internet start-ups where they’d agree to send each other cash back and forth at an increasing pace in order to create “revenue” for each of them.

    Time Warner shareholders had plenty of time, a couple years as I recall, in which to get rid of their overvalued AOL-TimeWarner shares.

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  245. @JRL
    Has anyone found this now-deleted Myers column on the pay gap posted online anywhere?

    "Africa is giving nothing to anyone – apart from AIDS" was also removed years ago after a complaint to the Irish police, but it stayed up much longer than the 10 hours it took to get the pay gap column removed.

    No – independent.ie’s robots.txt doesn’t allow archiving (this eliminates archive.org), archive.is which is manual (a user has to instigate it) doesn’t have it either. Neither does Google cache (when did they stop caching pages?).

    The closest I found:

    http://archive.is/http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers*

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  247. @silviosilver
    Are white goys the New Jews? The evidence is accumulating.

    Like Jews, white goys are identified as the root cause of all that is wrong with the country/world.

    As happened to Jews, it has been decided that white goys cannot be trusted with their ill-gotten power and wealth and that it needs to be taken from them and handed to those more deserving.

    Just as merely being Jewish placed one under a cloud of suspicion, merely being a white goy puts one at a disadvantage in any confrontation with a non-white or non-goy (it being assumed that a white goy's necessarily limited perspective on any issue renders him incapable of properly understanding it).

    Jewish physicists saw their work disparaged as "Jewish physics." White goys likewise see their work discredited as "white science," alleged to stubbornly reject input from non-whites, females, and homosexuals.

    Jews were considered an undesirable presence and emigration policy was designed to ensure rid the country of them. White goys are considered an undesirable presence and immigration policy is designed to rid the country of them.

    It was possible to be a "good Jew" - for a while. It's possible to be a good white goy - for now.

    Great observation.

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  248. @Deeb2
    Yes, Kill Bill was so distressingly violent, it immediately reminded me of both WWII and slavery in the American South.

    Did Kill Bill writer/director/creator Quentin Tarantino's Italian half not learn anything from all the WWII atrocities his Italian relatives helped commit about glorifying the killing of the helpless as a fun lifestyle choice?

    Did Kill Bill writer/director/creator Quentin Tarantino's Southern American half not learn anything from all the black people his relatives enslaved, oppressed, raped, and murdered about glorifying the killing of the helpless as a fun lifestyle choice?

    (taken from "List of things Gregg Easterbrook would never have written under any circumstance").
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  249. @Jack D
    But if Joseph didn't tell the Pharaoh to store up grain reserves for the coming famine, the Egyptian people would have starved. Maybe in an ideal world the Pharaoh would have had 1st class Egyptian advisers givings him good advice, but lacking them, wasn't he better off with a smart Jewish right hand man? What's wrong with allowing talented outsiders to help you? What does this say for America, which has been relying on talented immigrants (including but by no means limited to Jews) since day 1?

    Jews in high places are symptom of a rotting elite class
     
    The Nazis purged Jews from their elites and in their place they got drug addicts, gays, chicken farmers, frustrated artists, etc. who drove their nation into an abyss. The Soviets purged Jews and their economy stagnated to the point where they could no longer maintain an arms race. The Spanish purged their Jews and a little later England invited them in - the Spanish empire dwindled and the British empire spanned the globe. America won both WWII and the Cold War. So which is the better strategy?

    the British empire spanned the globe

    The German Empire would have spanned Eurasia if we didn’t intervene.

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  250. @Anonymous
    Stewart graduated from William and Mary, where he played on the soccer team.

    According to Kennedy Montgomery, he always came around the MTV Beach House to mooch food and such, even when he had no reason to be there and wasn’t being filmed or broadcast that day. Classic Jewish behaviour.

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  251. @Charles Pewitt
    https://twitter.com/vdare/status/892050347589611521

    Michael Caine is an Irish columnist?!

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  252. guest says:
    @AM

    I’m of mixed Western European stock, mostly Scottish, Irish, German and Swiss. Born and raised in the U.S., which got most of its culture from England. I was raised Catholic and have studied the classics of Ancient Greece and Rome... Look for my ethnicity, and what do you find? Nothing. I don’t have one.
     
    You have an id, if you want it.

    If I could convince you that Catholicism has truth involved and get your hiney in Mass each week, your ethnicity would be American Catholic, like me. (Although truthfully, I'm cheering at American Baptists or American Pentecostal - anything but "Gosh, I'm a nothing".)

    You have to looking to find if Catholic Christianity is true, rather than the usual, easy "Well, I met a bunch of lame-o people who have no clue, so clearly that's Catholicism." No, it's not. If you've studied Greece and Rome, Catholicism only integrates that and adds on from there. It's just the lame brains running the church don't want to think anymore or mention that anyone could not make it Heaven. It's participation trophies on steroids with the current culture. We went from too rigid and rule oriented to lovey-feely empty brained hippies in less than 50 years.

    I meant I didn’t have an ethnicity in the eyes of what I termed “They,” which is the enemy. Not that I actually have no ethnicity. I do, though it’s complicated.

    I came of age in the lovey-feely era. My priests weren’t hippies or anything, but there was basically zero discipline. Weekly religion class was a chance to hang out with friends. They warned us about preparing for confirmation, but no one so much as cracked the catechism. We interviewed with the father as a group, and I don’t remember him testing us or even asking questions.

    Anyhoo, I have been reading the scholastics lately. A much-abused group.

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  253. Jack D says:
    @Lot
    Fake news on a stupid Arabist website, posted by an anonymous anti-semite retard.

    Murdoch's mother was a famous and beloved figure in Australia and of British and Irish ancestry.

    The only "evidence" Dame Elisabeth Murdoch is Jewish is her maiden name of Greene. Her direct-line paternal ancestor was William Henry Greene, born in 1830 in Drogheda, County Louth, Ireland. Based on his name, birthplace in the Pale, and wife's surname (Covett or Govett) he was likely Anglo-Irish.

    Aha, a Greene from the Pale …. surely a Joo. My aunt by marriage was a 1st cousin of Lorne Greene (Bonanza) – definitely a Joo.

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  254. AM says:

    “They,” which is the enemy. Not that I actually have no ethnicity. I do, though it’s complicated.

    My bad. Sorry about that. Very glad to hear it. :)

    I came of age in the lovey-feely era.

    So did I. Similar experiences. I dropped out of the church for 10+ years. Had some ideas that I sort of figured out on Hell and decided to research Catholicism. Shocked to find the depth of the intellectualism behind the church. Given my “education”, you’d think people in the past made all of these arbitrary rules up just annoy the baby boomers who were liberating us..

    Anyhoo, I have been reading the scholastics lately. A much-abused group.

    Another very glad to hear it. Thomas Aquinas is in that group. Hope you get there someday. Meanwhile, enjoy.

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  255. utu says:
    @Jack D
    But if Joseph didn't tell the Pharaoh to store up grain reserves for the coming famine, the Egyptian people would have starved. Maybe in an ideal world the Pharaoh would have had 1st class Egyptian advisers givings him good advice, but lacking them, wasn't he better off with a smart Jewish right hand man? What's wrong with allowing talented outsiders to help you? What does this say for America, which has been relying on talented immigrants (including but by no means limited to Jews) since day 1?

    Jews in high places are symptom of a rotting elite class
     
    The Nazis purged Jews from their elites and in their place they got drug addicts, gays, chicken farmers, frustrated artists, etc. who drove their nation into an abyss. The Soviets purged Jews and their economy stagnated to the point where they could no longer maintain an arms race. The Spanish purged their Jews and a little later England invited them in - the Spanish empire dwindled and the British empire spanned the globe. America won both WWII and the Cold War. So which is the better strategy?

    The Nazis purged Jews from their elites and in their place they got drug addicts, gays, chicken farmers, frustrated artists, etc. who drove their nation into an abyss. The Soviets purged Jews and their economy stagnated to the point where they could no longer maintain an arms race. The Spanish purged their Jews and a little later England invited them in – the Spanish empire dwindled and the British empire spanned the globe. America won both WWII and the Cold War. So which is the better strategy?

    You actually believe it?

    What about this possibility: Spain got rid of Jews 202 years too late. England did it in 1290. Thanks to it England could develop its own ethnic merchant class that was loyal to the country and state. England enjoyed Judenfrei status almost 400 years. This is the chief reason why the industrial revolution began in England which was the backbone of British power and empire.

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    Then why didn't the Industrial Revolution begin until AFTER they let Jews back in?

    And why did Judenrein Spain forget to have one?

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  256. Hibernian says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Yeah cause when I think of Cromwell and the New Model Army I think of slut walks and pride parades.

    Its always amazing how the very real JQ issues around here get overtaken by the same type of commenter squealing about how icky Cromwell was.

    He's already been dug up and tried once already, ffs.

    The link between the Puritans and modern”Progressives” is their extreme arrogance and twisted sense of mission. They rebelled against the established Anglican church and established one of their own, punishing dissenters such as Quakers. We now have an established church of environmental extremism, mandatory baking of same sex wedding cakes, etc.

    Also Cromwell was bad for both the British and the Irish; he was a Cathedral vandal in Britain.

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  257. @eah
    https://twitter.com/morgoth_rev/status/891702756624527360

    What is it that you think that risible list confirms—or denies?

    Or are you simply trying to demonstrate how statistically-challenged you, and also by extension, this Morgoth character, are?

    If the Jewish population of the UK is 269,000 (and that would not include those with only Jewish fathers) and the total population is 65 million, then they are 0.414% of the total.

    Morgoth has apparently listed every Jew and half-Jew (e.g. Stephen Fry, Sue Perkins, Rachel Riley) at the BBC, including even those without regular paychecks from the BBC (most in the “regular pundit” category). This comes to 57 people.

    The BBC has a total of 23,000 employees; 57/23,000 < 0.25%.

    Now, you might argue that this isn’t important because Jews have a disproportionate number of high-level, high-paying slots.

    It looks like I had actually overestimated the number of Jews among the top-paid 96 at five in my prior post when, as the list of your authority Morgoth indicates, only four Jews are among the top 96. That would bring up the Jewish BBC percentage to more than its percentage of the general UK population of 65 million:

    4/96 = 4.2%

    But, the senior employees of the BBC are hardly a cross-section of the general UK population are they?

    Very, very few of them come from working-class backgrounds or speak with strong regional accents or even weak regional accents.

    BBC staff are overwhelmingly upper middle class in background and privately educated. Virtually all hold university degrees and those usually from the more prestigious institutions rather than the “red brick” universities.

    While less than 1% of the people in the UK hold degrees from either Oxford or Cambridge, 33% of BBC executives do (https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/aug/28/elitism-in-britain-breakdown-by-profession).

    As it happens, most (2/3 or more) of the UK Jewish population shares the same age cohorts, educational and class background of senior BBC staff and are heavily concentrated in metropolitan London. That would be 180,000 UK Jews.

    Obviously, the BBC considers more people than just the Oxbridge graduates (1% of the total population) for senior positions but it is unlikely to be more than 5% of the general population. Let’s say it is 3% – 5% or 1.95 million – 3.25 million people who have some chance of making into the BBC in professional roles.

    So, what percentage are UK Jews of the potential BBC pool?

    180,000/1,950,000 = 9.2% (upper bound)

    180,000/3,250,000 = 5.54% (lower bound)

    And Jews turn out to be 4.2% of the top ranks.

    Wow.

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    statistically-challenged

    In the tweet I posted, nothing about statistics was mentioned -- there's just a list of names of people/BBC employees claimed to be Jews, and a figure for the total Jewish population of the UK -- also a question was asked: Do Jews have too much clout at the BBC? -- is it OK with you if this question is asked? -- what exactly is "risible" about that question?

    As you said about yourself:

    I can’t tell for sure how many of the 96 are Jewish,...

    So the tweet I linked to provided some info re this -- the accuracy of which I do not vouch for.

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  258. AM says:
    @anarchyst
    The Vatican II Ecumenical Council did more to destroy the Catholic Church than just about any other action. Jews and Protestants were notable figures involved in Vatican II who "helped" the Catholic Church "modernize".
    Outlawing the Tridentine Mass, changing the language from Latin to the vernacular, did much to destroy the Church's "universality". Previous to Vatican II, one could attend any Roman Catholic Mass anywhere in the world and understand it. That was all lost with Vatican II. There has been some pushback from traditional pre-Vatican II Catholics (yes, we do exist) that have removed most of the restrictions on the celebration of this Mass.
    In pre-Vatican II times, the priest was considered the "peoples' representative" and faced the altar, along with the congregation. Turning the priest around to face the congregation changed him from being a peoples' representative to becoming an "actor".
    One of the greatest heresies was the absolution of the Jews for the Crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. As the Jews DID take full responsibility, this change in doctrine elevated Jews to the position of "our elder brothers" rather than the bloodthirsty executioners and enemies of Christianity that they (still) are. As is the case today, they got others (the Romans) to do their "dirty work" for them. Even Pontius Pilate KNEW that the Jews wanted the blood of an innocent man on their hands. As he was afraid of Jewish riots, (which were common) he allowed the crucifixion to go on.
    It is interesting to note that, to this day, there is a visceral hatred of Jesus Christ and Christianity among most Jews, their Talmud reinforcing their hatred.
    Contrast that with the Islamic Qur'an which holds high regard for Jesus Christ--not as the Son of God, but an esteemed prophet, nevertheless, while his mother Mary is specifically mentioned in the Qur'an and is given a place of high honor.
    For those interested in traditional pre-Vatican II Catholicism, please look up the "Society of St. Pius X". You may be presently surprised. Regards,

    For those interested in traditional pre-Vatican II Catholicism, please look up the “Society of St. Pius X”. You may be presently surprised. Regards,

    I know who they are. They aren’t helpful. We don’t need Lutheranism. Again. Regular diocesan churches do offer the traditional mass.

    But that said, I agree that implementation of Vatican II was a full on disaster in the US. Meanwhile Poland had future Pope implement Vatican II there and their Catholicism is shining brighter than ever.

    Vatican II was not supposed to remove all Latin from liturgy. In other countries, for instance, the Nicene Creed is said in Latin. There are obvious ways to make the Mass universal and understandable and many countries have taken that route. There was nothing about removing Gregorian Chant for pop music or facing the congregation rather than the altar.

    Basically, Vatican II was intended to give exactly one inch in several areas, with a reasonable idea that hearing the Gospels in the vernacular weekly would be helpful. Latin, after all, was the vernacular when the Mass was created.

    However, the US Bishops in particular used Vatican II to take a mile and as an excuse to remake the Mass as a Protestant service. Once it was established as “tradition”, it was all too late. Rome has regularly rebuked the American Bishops without much success, including their determined enforcement (rather than option) of standing communion in the hand. Popes, including St. Francis, only give Eucharist on the tongue, so the devil is not 100% here with Rome.

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    The Gospels and the readings were always in the vernacular, even before Vatican II. It is the BODY of the Mass that was changed...
    SSPX is NOT "Lutheranism". Archbishop Lefebvre started SSPX to counter the changes that Vatican II wrought. SSPX is just as "Catholic" as post-Vatican II and does recognize the primacy of the Pope in spiritual matters.
    Originally considered an apostate by the post-Vatican II Catholic hierarchy, Archbishop Lefebvre should be a subject for canonization.
    Regards,
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  259. Evocatus says:
    @Matra
    My beef with him is that he has almost always been an almost groveling British apologist for British interests with regard to Ireland.

    "British interests" sounds scary but in reality what you mean is that Myers sees the Protestants as human beings with agency and, yes, interests, rather than Sinn Fein caricatures.

    It’s not really that simple. For a long time, most of the Irish media has been characterized by a sort of genteel upper class liberalism coupled with an ambivalence to the idea of a United Ireland, a (justified) antipathy towards Sinn Fein, and a (much more pronounced in the past two decades) hostility towards Catholicism. This has lead to an Anglophilic worldview where the cognoscenti of the Irish media, in conjunction with the universities and financial sector, take their cues from the British elites. The Irish Times, for example, did not get it’s first Catholic editor until the 1980s, which is notable in a country that had been well over 90 percent Catholic and very devout until quite recently. This in turn has influenced the country’s outlook on issues of nationalism, culture and sovereignty. It had little to do with the Presbyterians in the North; most of the people at the Irish Times probably loath the Northern Prods just as much as the average Shinner does, albeit for different reasons.

    I too have enjoyed reading Kevin Myers, even though I don’t always agreed with him on things like his knee jerk Anglophilia or his hostility to the Irish language or Irish-Americans. His columns have generally proven to be thought provoking and he lacks the insufferable sanctimonious tone of someone like Ruth Dudley Edwards (another rightish-leaning pro-British columnist). His shunning by the media will only cause public discourse in Irish and UK media to become more of a left wing echo chamber at a time when the free speech situation in Europe has progressively worsened.

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  260. Evocatus says:
    @Hibernian
    The link between the Puritans and modern"Progressives" is their extreme arrogance and twisted sense of mission. They rebelled against the established Anglican church and established one of their own, punishing dissenters such as Quakers. We now have an established church of environmental extremism, mandatory baking of same sex wedding cakes, etc.

    Also Cromwell was bad for both the British and the Irish; he was a Cathedral vandal in Britain.

    One could almost say that progressivism is Puritanism without God.

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  261. Jack D says:
    @utu
    The Nazis purged Jews from their elites and in their place they got drug addicts, gays, chicken farmers, frustrated artists, etc. who drove their nation into an abyss. The Soviets purged Jews and their economy stagnated to the point where they could no longer maintain an arms race. The Spanish purged their Jews and a little later England invited them in – the Spanish empire dwindled and the British empire spanned the globe. America won both WWII and the Cold War. So which is the better strategy?

    You actually believe it?

    What about this possibility: Spain got rid of Jews 202 years too late. England did it in 1290. Thanks to it England could develop its own ethnic merchant class that was loyal to the country and state. England enjoyed Judenfrei status almost 400 years. This is the chief reason why the industrial revolution began in England which was the backbone of British power and empire.

    Then why didn’t the Industrial Revolution begin until AFTER they let Jews back in?

    And why did Judenrein Spain forget to have one?

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  262. utu says:

    Then why didn’t the Industrial Revolution begin until AFTER they let Jews back in?

    Obviously one can say: it is post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

    And why did Judenrein Spain forget to have one?

    And here one can bring up Poland with the largest Jewish population in the world that somehow forgot to have industrial revolution and suffered spiraling economic decline since 17 century until its collapse? Growing population of Jews in 19 century to unprecedented level somehow did not help to transform Poland or Russia which inherited Polish Jews, as some may say as a poison pill when it swallowed Poland. Apparently Poland did not have magic dirt where the Jews could do their miracles with which they , manage to bless populations of England and later of America according to Judeo-suprematist hasbara.

    Your Judeo-suprematist hasbara goes hand in hand with anti-semitic arguments that also fails to see complexities. Both postulate Jews as primary agents of change. In Judeo-suprematist version the change is always positive with a biblical element that the lack of Jews and/or doing harm to Jews brings God’s wrath and just punishment on the societies while the anti-Semitic version differs only by assigning to Jews negative influences and the wrath and punishment is meted out by the World Jewry not the god., e.g., Germany was punished with WWII and Russia was punished with Bolshevik revolution.

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    The gentiles of England/Scotland might be the best gentiles in the world at winning Nobel Prizes and at founding important schools of thought (Darwinism, Keynesianism, etc.)

    As I've pointed out, a lot of high intellectual culture in the late 20th Century, such as the writings of sports fan Stephen Jay Gould against EO Wilson, IQ testing, Galtonism, subverting Darwinism subtly, etc. consists of one side of the Finals of the World Intellectual Championship between the new dynasty, the Jews, versus the old dynasty, the Anglo-American WASPs, for the title of World Champion Smart Group. Gould and friends devoted a lot of effort to retconning the history of science before Jews were contributing much to make WASP achievers into Bad Guys.

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  263. @utu
    Then why didn’t the Industrial Revolution begin until AFTER they let Jews back in?

    Obviously one can say: it is post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

    And why did Judenrein Spain forget to have one?

    And here one can bring up Poland with the largest Jewish population in the world that somehow forgot to have industrial revolution and suffered spiraling economic decline since 17 century until its collapse? Growing population of Jews in 19 century to unprecedented level somehow did not help to transform Poland or Russia which inherited Polish Jews, as some may say as a poison pill when it swallowed Poland. Apparently Poland did not have magic dirt where the Jews could do their miracles with which they , manage to bless populations of England and later of America according to Judeo-suprematist hasbara.

    Your Judeo-suprematist hasbara goes hand in hand with anti-semitic arguments that also fails to see complexities. Both postulate Jews as primary agents of change. In Judeo-suprematist version the change is always positive with a biblical element that the lack of Jews and/or doing harm to Jews brings God's wrath and just punishment on the societies while the anti-Semitic version differs only by assigning to Jews negative influences and the wrath and punishment is meted out by the World Jewry not the god., e.g., Germany was punished with WWII and Russia was punished with Bolshevik revolution.

    The gentiles of England/Scotland might be the best gentiles in the world at winning Nobel Prizes and at founding important schools of thought (Darwinism, Keynesianism, etc.)

    As I’ve pointed out, a lot of high intellectual culture in the late 20th Century, such as the writings of sports fan Stephen Jay Gould against EO Wilson, IQ testing, Galtonism, subverting Darwinism subtly, etc. consists of one side of the Finals of the World Intellectual Championship between the new dynasty, the Jews, versus the old dynasty, the Anglo-American WASPs, for the title of World Champion Smart Group. Gould and friends devoted a lot of effort to retconning the history of science before Jews were contributing much to make WASP achievers into Bad Guys.

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    I am aware that there is a concerted effort to retcon history of Western Civilization achievements to give higher weight to Jewish contributions. It is not always possible though. The animosity of Jews towards Greeks is not alleviated till now for this reason. See Saul Bellow's Ravelstein for the conflict between Jerusalem and Athens and how it unfolds for Allan Bloom personally. The truth is that when it comes to antiquity the Jewish civilization (and for subsequent 1700 years in common era) does not have much to show. It saddens me that a good mind and great contributor to this site like Jack D. displays ideas of Jewish suprematism so blatantly. For the suprematists w/o Jews there would be no pyramids and no industrial revolution and so on. What a nonsense, however this kind of thinking is functioning among Jews as pseudo-history haggadah they keep telling themselves. Israeli kids on their trips to Auschwitz are told by their handlers to look closely (and with with contempt) how poorly those Poles live and remember that this is because they have no Jews and/or were bad to Jews. This irrational idea as we have seen above can infect seemingly rational minds . How important the suprematism was to the survival of Jews as unique group of people? Was the contempt and hate for others essential to their survival. Was Voltaire onto something?

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1968/10/24/the-chosen-people-1/
    "You have surpassed all nations in impertinent fables, in bad conduct."

    "They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair."

    "I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race.”
     
    Are irrational beliefs and ideas necessary for survival. If so this would be the saddest conclusion of them all.

    As far as WASPs are concerned I am unable to see England/Scotland gentiles' contribution in isolation of achievements of Italian Renaissance and France, Spain, Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland and Germany gentiles' contributions. The Noble prizes tell only a part of the story and of the 20 century story only.
    , @whoever
    Lynn Margulis, who did make genuine contributions to evolutionary theory, really hated very WASPy neo-Darwinism, calling it "a minor twentieth-century religious sect within the sprawling religious persuasion of Anglo-Saxon Biology." She also dismissed it as "a quaint but potentially dangerous aberration." (op. cit.) Stephen Jay Gould championed her views, as did Carl Sagan.
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  264. utu says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The gentiles of England/Scotland might be the best gentiles in the world at winning Nobel Prizes and at founding important schools of thought (Darwinism, Keynesianism, etc.)

    As I've pointed out, a lot of high intellectual culture in the late 20th Century, such as the writings of sports fan Stephen Jay Gould against EO Wilson, IQ testing, Galtonism, subverting Darwinism subtly, etc. consists of one side of the Finals of the World Intellectual Championship between the new dynasty, the Jews, versus the old dynasty, the Anglo-American WASPs, for the title of World Champion Smart Group. Gould and friends devoted a lot of effort to retconning the history of science before Jews were contributing much to make WASP achievers into Bad Guys.

    I am aware that there is a concerted effort to retcon history of Western Civilization achievements to give higher weight to Jewish contributions. It is not always possible though. The animosity of Jews towards Greeks is not alleviated till now for this reason. See Saul Bellow’s Ravelstein for the conflict between Jerusalem and Athens and how it unfolds for Allan Bloom personally. The truth is that when it comes to antiquity the Jewish civilization (and for subsequent 1700 years in common era) does not have much to show. It saddens me that a good mind and great contributor to this site like Jack D. displays ideas of Jewish suprematism so blatantly. For the suprematists w/o Jews there would be no pyramids and no industrial revolution and so on. What a nonsense, however this kind of thinking is functioning among Jews as pseudo-history haggadah they keep telling themselves. Israeli kids on their trips to Auschwitz are told by their handlers to look closely (and with with contempt) how poorly those Poles live and remember that this is because they have no Jews and/or were bad to Jews. This irrational idea as we have seen above can infect seemingly rational minds . How important the suprematism was to the survival of Jews as unique group of people? Was the contempt and hate for others essential to their survival. Was Voltaire onto something?

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1968/10/24/the-chosen-people-1/
    “You have surpassed all nations in impertinent fables, in bad conduct.”

    “They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair.”

    “I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race.”

    Are irrational beliefs and ideas necessary for survival. If so this would be the saddest conclusion of them all.

    As far as WASPs are concerned I am unable to see England/Scotland gentiles’ contribution in isolation of achievements of Italian Renaissance and France, Spain, Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland and Germany gentiles’ contributions. The Noble prizes tell only a part of the story and of the 20 century story only.

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    My question is how much did pre-Jewish Enlightenment Jews contribute to European advances in commercial/business techniques? TB Macaulay makes a big point about how England leapt forward commercially/organizationally/legally after 1688, in part by adopting a lot of advanced Dutch techniques such as corporations. Did Amsterdam Jews contribute to Holland being the most sophisticated business environment before 1688?
    , @Jack D
    Obviously for as long as Jews were kept in ghettos and excluded from universities they were in no position to make contributions to modern science and industry, but I would say that they sure have made up for time in the last century plus.

    Poland really seems to be doing quite well without Jews but I can say that I went back to my mother's village in Galicia ( which is now Western Ukraine - Poland when my mother was growing up) and the lack of commerce was stunning. When my mother was growing up there were all sorts of small but thriving businesses in the town - I have seen the business directory from the town in the 20s. Many Jewish owned, some Polish - my grandfather's grain mill, a tannery, a livestock dealer, a dealer in cattle, a potter, a pharmacy, an insurance agent, etc. - all sorts of businesses you would expect to find in a rural town (my elderly mother remembered every merchant). When I visited a couple of years ago there was a corner grocery store specializing in vodka and that was the only commerce that I saw. The locals were still getting around in horse drawn hay wagons. A few had old Soviet autos. As far as I could tell, they were mostly practicing subsistence agriculture - it was shocking to see in the middle of Europe in the 2nd decade of the 21st century.

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  265. anarchyst says:
    @AM

    For those interested in traditional pre-Vatican II Catholicism, please look up the “Society of St. Pius X”. You may be presently surprised. Regards,
     
    I know who they are. They aren't helpful. We don't need Lutheranism. Again. Regular diocesan churches do offer the traditional mass.

    But that said, I agree that implementation of Vatican II was a full on disaster in the US. Meanwhile Poland had future Pope implement Vatican II there and their Catholicism is shining brighter than ever.

    Vatican II was not supposed to remove all Latin from liturgy. In other countries, for instance, the Nicene Creed is said in Latin. There are obvious ways to make the Mass universal and understandable and many countries have taken that route. There was nothing about removing Gregorian Chant for pop music or facing the congregation rather than the altar.

    Basically, Vatican II was intended to give exactly one inch in several areas, with a reasonable idea that hearing the Gospels in the vernacular weekly would be helpful. Latin, after all, was the vernacular when the Mass was created.

    However, the US Bishops in particular used Vatican II to take a mile and as an excuse to remake the Mass as a Protestant service. Once it was established as "tradition", it was all too late. Rome has regularly rebuked the American Bishops without much success, including their determined enforcement (rather than option) of standing communion in the hand. Popes, including St. Francis, only give Eucharist on the tongue, so the devil is not 100% here with Rome.

    The Gospels and the readings were always in the vernacular, even before Vatican II. It is the BODY of the Mass that was changed…
    SSPX is NOT “Lutheranism”. Archbishop Lefebvre started SSPX to counter the changes that Vatican II wrought. SSPX is just as “Catholic” as post-Vatican II and does recognize the primacy of the Pope in spiritual matters.
    Originally considered an apostate by the post-Vatican II Catholic hierarchy, Archbishop Lefebvre should be a subject for canonization.
    Regards,

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  266. @utu
    I am aware that there is a concerted effort to retcon history of Western Civilization achievements to give higher weight to Jewish contributions. It is not always possible though. The animosity of Jews towards Greeks is not alleviated till now for this reason. See Saul Bellow's Ravelstein for the conflict between Jerusalem and Athens and how it unfolds for Allan Bloom personally. The truth is that when it comes to antiquity the Jewish civilization (and for subsequent 1700 years in common era) does not have much to show. It saddens me that a good mind and great contributor to this site like Jack D. displays ideas of Jewish suprematism so blatantly. For the suprematists w/o Jews there would be no pyramids and no industrial revolution and so on. What a nonsense, however this kind of thinking is functioning among Jews as pseudo-history haggadah they keep telling themselves. Israeli kids on their trips to Auschwitz are told by their handlers to look closely (and with with contempt) how poorly those Poles live and remember that this is because they have no Jews and/or were bad to Jews. This irrational idea as we have seen above can infect seemingly rational minds . How important the suprematism was to the survival of Jews as unique group of people? Was the contempt and hate for others essential to their survival. Was Voltaire onto something?

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1968/10/24/the-chosen-people-1/
    "You have surpassed all nations in impertinent fables, in bad conduct."

    "They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair."

    "I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race.”
     
    Are irrational beliefs and ideas necessary for survival. If so this would be the saddest conclusion of them all.

    As far as WASPs are concerned I am unable to see England/Scotland gentiles' contribution in isolation of achievements of Italian Renaissance and France, Spain, Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland and Germany gentiles' contributions. The Noble prizes tell only a part of the story and of the 20 century story only.

    My question is how much did pre-Jewish Enlightenment Jews contribute to European advances in commercial/business techniques? TB Macaulay makes a big point about how England leapt forward commercially/organizationally/legally after 1688, in part by adopting a lot of advanced Dutch techniques such as corporations. Did Amsterdam Jews contribute to Holland being the most sophisticated business environment before 1688?

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    I suspect that they were influential. The first Jews in New Amsterdam (a group of refugees from S. America where the Portuguese had just beaten the Dutch) were not warmly welcomed by Peter Stuyvesant. He wrote to the Dutch West India Company asking permission to kick out the Christ killers and the Company wrote back to the effect that while we would have liked to have said yes because we don't like Jews either (not clear to me whether this is really sincere or whether they were just trying to soften the bad news) there were important Jewish shareholders in the Company and this would not be a good idea.

    http://www.historycentral.com/TheColonies/lettertostuvesant.html
    , @utu
    How important were Jews to the development of know-how on which capitalism works would be a great question. Conceptual, legal and accounting issues certainly evolved through practice by Venetians, Genoans, Portuguese and Spaniards. How different was the process of financing a ship and an expedition by Spaniards and by Dutch and later by Brits? Was there Jewish influence? Why Scotts were so influential in banking?

    Here I found in wiki about Werner Sombart:

    Sombart's 1911 book, Die Juden und das Wirtschaftsleben (The Jews and Modern Capitalism), is an addition to Max Weber's historic study of the connection between Protestantism (especially Calvinism) and Capitalism, with Sombart documenting Jewish involvement in historic capitalist development. He argued that Jewish traders and manufacturers, excluded from the guilds, developed a distinctive antipathy to the fundamentals of medieval commerce, which they saw as primitive and unprogressive: the desire for 'just' (and fixed) wages and prices; for an equitable system in which shares of the market were agreed and unchanging; profits and livelihoods modest but guaranteed; and limits placed on production. Excluded from the system, Sombart argued, the Jews broke it up and replaced it with modern capitalism, in which competition was unlimited and the only law was pleasing the customer.[7] Paul Johnson, who considers the work "a remarkable book", notes that Sombart left out some inconvenient truths, and ignored the powerful mystical elements of Judaism. Sombart refused to recognize, as Weber did, that wherever these religious systems, including Judaism, were at their most powerful and authoritarian, commerce did not flourish. Jewish businessmen, like Calvinist ones, tended to operate most successfully when they had left their traditional religious environment and moved on to fresher pastures.
     
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  267. Jack D says:
    @AM

    Maybe in an ideal world the Pharaoh would have had 1st class Egyptian advisers givings him good advice, but lacking them, wasn’t he better off with a smart Jewish right hand man?
     
    No sane leader would have elevate Joseph, a stranger, a foreign prisoner accused of rape, they way that Pharaoh did, on the strength of one dream interpretation. There's only one plausible motivation: crazy, entitled, and indifferent to the welfare of his court and people.

    Egyptians were known for their inbreeding their Pharaohs to the extreme, so we have probable cause of crazy covered. Remember, also, how the butler and baker knew Joseph. An angry, erratic moment with the Pharaoh that landed them both in jail for the crime of: being a butler and a baker in the service of Pharaoh. That's stellar moment of sanity right there.

    Meanwhile, rationing food is hardly a genius brilliant idea that would require an outsider to mange. I'm sure the court was managing that to some extent already. It's probable, though, that Pharaoh didn't want to hear it from them and jumped at the chance to bring completely dependent, totally grateful outsider into the court. Joseph would be completely dependent on Pharaoh's whims alone, while his court advisers would more naturally have all of Egypt in mind and at least attempt to push back.

    So a Jew in a high place is exactly what I said it was: a symptom of elite collapse. It's not that any particular Jew is better or smarter than the average bear, it's just their ambition puts them in the right places for when things do start to collapse. They also appear to be relatively blind to motivations of outsiders, so when things are falling apart, they seem to lack to instinct to run for the hills.


    The Nazis purged Jews from their elites and in their place they got drug addicts, gays, chicken farmers, frustrated artists, etc. who drove their nation into an abyss.
     
    The Jews were a part of how the Nazis came to power. The Weirmar Republic is marked by a heavy Jewish cultural influence, which is why Hilter could even gain traction with his anti-semitic rallies. The chaos of 1920's Germany cannot be understated. Also, it's clear that pockets of European Jews have historically held grudges against their Christian neighbors, with German Jews being a quite large group of them. There have been moments in time were Jews have revealed all their fallen nature through extortion type usury on loans, etc.

    Look what you said to me, even. "Letting the bastard win" and you're atheist and we mostly agree otherwise. I'm okay with rejecting my discussion about Christianity, but was that a wise thing to say to a Christian? Was it respectful? Now carry that attitude back in time and you can see there's a natural adversarial relationship unless both parties really work at. Jews are not naturally invested in other people's societies and it makes perfect sense.

    The Jews are special because they're of God's creation and have a special protection and relationship that I believe is real simply because I'm chatting with you. But it's not because they do amazing things when in the positions they seem to historically covet so badly. They just shoot themselves and their host countries in the foot.

    but was that a wise thing to say to a Christian? Was it respectful?

    And you said:

    Jews in high places are symptom of a rotting elite class (or completely collapsed)

    Was that a wise thing to say to a Jew? Was it respectful?

    I have to say (and I know that you may not have meant it that way) that is one of the most anti-Semitic things I have ever heard from someone who has (I presume) a full set of teeth and no visible swastika tattoos. You are saying that no Jew should be trusted near the levers of power. This is completely contrary to the American constitutional tradition which expressly eschewed religious tests. American office holders don’t have to swear “on the oath of a Christian”.

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  268. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer
    My question is how much did pre-Jewish Enlightenment Jews contribute to European advances in commercial/business techniques? TB Macaulay makes a big point about how England leapt forward commercially/organizationally/legally after 1688, in part by adopting a lot of advanced Dutch techniques such as corporations. Did Amsterdam Jews contribute to Holland being the most sophisticated business environment before 1688?

    I suspect that they were influential. The first Jews in New Amsterdam (a group of refugees from S. America where the Portuguese had just beaten the Dutch) were not warmly welcomed by Peter Stuyvesant. He wrote to the Dutch West India Company asking permission to kick out the Christ killers and the Company wrote back to the effect that while we would have liked to have said yes because we don’t like Jews either (not clear to me whether this is really sincere or whether they were just trying to soften the bad news) there were important Jewish shareholders in the Company and this would not be a good idea.

    http://www.historycentral.com/TheColonies/lettertostuvesant.html

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  269. Jack D says:
    @utu
    I am aware that there is a concerted effort to retcon history of Western Civilization achievements to give higher weight to Jewish contributions. It is not always possible though. The animosity of Jews towards Greeks is not alleviated till now for this reason. See Saul Bellow's Ravelstein for the conflict between Jerusalem and Athens and how it unfolds for Allan Bloom personally. The truth is that when it comes to antiquity the Jewish civilization (and for subsequent 1700 years in common era) does not have much to show. It saddens me that a good mind and great contributor to this site like Jack D. displays ideas of Jewish suprematism so blatantly. For the suprematists w/o Jews there would be no pyramids and no industrial revolution and so on. What a nonsense, however this kind of thinking is functioning among Jews as pseudo-history haggadah they keep telling themselves. Israeli kids on their trips to Auschwitz are told by their handlers to look closely (and with with contempt) how poorly those Poles live and remember that this is because they have no Jews and/or were bad to Jews. This irrational idea as we have seen above can infect seemingly rational minds . How important the suprematism was to the survival of Jews as unique group of people? Was the contempt and hate for others essential to their survival. Was Voltaire onto something?

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1968/10/24/the-chosen-people-1/
    "You have surpassed all nations in impertinent fables, in bad conduct."

    "They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair."

    "I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race.”
     
    Are irrational beliefs and ideas necessary for survival. If so this would be the saddest conclusion of them all.

    As far as WASPs are concerned I am unable to see England/Scotland gentiles' contribution in isolation of achievements of Italian Renaissance and France, Spain, Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland and Germany gentiles' contributions. The Noble prizes tell only a part of the story and of the 20 century story only.

    Obviously for as long as Jews were kept in ghettos and excluded from universities they were in no position to make contributions to modern science and industry, but I would say that they sure have made up for time in the last century plus.

    Poland really seems to be doing quite well without Jews but I can say that I went back to my mother’s village in Galicia ( which is now Western Ukraine – Poland when my mother was growing up) and the lack of commerce was stunning. When my mother was growing up there were all sorts of small but thriving businesses in the town – I have seen the business directory from the town in the 20s. Many Jewish owned, some Polish – my grandfather’s grain mill, a tannery, a livestock dealer, a dealer in cattle, a potter, a pharmacy, an insurance agent, etc. – all sorts of businesses you would expect to find in a rural town (my elderly mother remembered every merchant). When I visited a couple of years ago there was a corner grocery store specializing in vodka and that was the only commerce that I saw. The locals were still getting around in horse drawn hay wagons. A few had old Soviet autos. As far as I could tell, they were mostly practicing subsistence agriculture – it was shocking to see in the middle of Europe in the 2nd decade of the 21st century.

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    there was a corner grocery store specializing in vodka and that was the only commerce that I saw

    You can find townships with similar attribute in the Upstate NY. I do not think you would forward explanation going along the Jewish angle in this case. The main reason for what you saw in Ukraine is communism and neoliberalism, like in the Upstate NY, after 1990s. It was part of Poland before WWII and when taken over by USSR all businesses and store were state owned. It would be not much different if Jews survived. However it was slightly different in post WWII Poland which though communist allowed for some private and cooperative enterprises. Actually before communists totally solidified their power in late 1940s market economy worked pretty well in Poland and there was not shortages yet (despite being so close to WWII devastation) for which later communist run economy was infamous. Now a joke: A conversation between two Jews right after the WWII and communist takeover of Poland: What are you planning to do?/I am going to emigrate./ Why?/Now we are in the government and they, the Poles are in business. This will not work.
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  270. utu says:
    @Steve Sailer
    My question is how much did pre-Jewish Enlightenment Jews contribute to European advances in commercial/business techniques? TB Macaulay makes a big point about how England leapt forward commercially/organizationally/legally after 1688, in part by adopting a lot of advanced Dutch techniques such as corporations. Did Amsterdam Jews contribute to Holland being the most sophisticated business environment before 1688?

    How important were Jews to the development of know-how on which capitalism works would be a great question. Conceptual, legal and accounting issues certainly evolved through practice by Venetians, Genoans, Portuguese and Spaniards. How different was the process of financing a ship and an expedition by Spaniards and by Dutch and later by Brits? Was there Jewish influence? Why Scotts were so influential in banking?

    Here I found in wiki about Werner Sombart:

    Sombart’s 1911 book, Die Juden und das Wirtschaftsleben (The Jews and Modern Capitalism), is an addition to Max Weber’s historic study of the connection between Protestantism (especially Calvinism) and Capitalism, with Sombart documenting Jewish involvement in historic capitalist development. He argued that Jewish traders and manufacturers, excluded from the guilds, developed a distinctive antipathy to the fundamentals of medieval commerce, which they saw as primitive and unprogressive: the desire for ‘just’ (and fixed) wages and prices; for an equitable system in which shares of the market were agreed and unchanging; profits and livelihoods modest but guaranteed; and limits placed on production. Excluded from the system, Sombart argued, the Jews broke it up and replaced it with modern capitalism, in which competition was unlimited and the only law was pleasing the customer.[7] Paul Johnson, who considers the work “a remarkable book”, notes that Sombart left out some inconvenient truths, and ignored the powerful mystical elements of Judaism. Sombart refused to recognize, as Weber did, that wherever these religious systems, including Judaism, were at their most powerful and authoritarian, commerce did not flourish. Jewish businessmen, like Calvinist ones, tended to operate most successfully when they had left their traditional religious environment and moved on to fresher pastures.

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    Thanks.

    I vaguely remembered Paul Johnson bringing up the topic, but didn't remember his detailed ideas.

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    How important were Jews to the development of know-how on which capitalism works would be a great question. Conceptual, legal and accounting issues certainly evolved through practice by Venetians, Genoans, Portuguese and Spaniards. How different was the process of financing a ship and an expedition by Spaniards and by Dutch and later by Brits? Was there Jewish influence? Why Scotts were so influential in banking?

    Here I found in wiki about Werner Sombart:

    Sombart's 1911 book, Die Juden und das Wirtschaftsleben (The Jews and Modern Capitalism), is an addition to Max Weber's historic study of the connection between Protestantism (especially Calvinism) and Capitalism, with Sombart documenting Jewish involvement in historic capitalist development. He argued that Jewish traders and manufacturers, excluded from the guilds, developed a distinctive antipathy to the fundamentals of medieval commerce, which they saw as primitive and unprogressive: the desire for 'just' (and fixed) wages and prices; for an equitable system in which shares of the market were agreed and unchanging; profits and livelihoods modest but guaranteed; and limits placed on production. Excluded from the system, Sombart argued, the Jews broke it up and replaced it with modern capitalism, in which competition was unlimited and the only law was pleasing the customer.[7] Paul Johnson, who considers the work "a remarkable book", notes that Sombart left out some inconvenient truths, and ignored the powerful mystical elements of Judaism. Sombart refused to recognize, as Weber did, that wherever these religious systems, including Judaism, were at their most powerful and authoritarian, commerce did not flourish. Jewish businessmen, like Calvinist ones, tended to operate most successfully when they had left their traditional religious environment and moved on to fresher pastures.
     

    Thanks.

    I vaguely remembered Paul Johnson bringing up the topic, but didn’t remember his detailed ideas.

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    Here is more from Sombart about what know-how was critical to capitalism:

    As has been stated, in economic history, his "Modern Capitalism" is regarded as a milestone and inspiration, although many details have been questioned. Key insights from his economic work concern the - recently again validated - discovery of the emergence of double-entry accounting as a key precondition for Capitalism and the interdisciplinary study of the City in the sense of urban studies.
     
    This wiki entry does not mention any Jewish contribution to double entry accounting.

    The oldest record of a complete double-entry system is the Messari (Italian: Treasurer's) accounts of the Republic of Genoa in 1340. The Messari accounts contain debits and credits journalised in a bilateral form, and include balances carried forward from the preceding year, and therefore enjoy general recognition as a double-entry system.[1] By the end of the 15th century, the bankers and merchants of Florence, Genoa, Venice and Lübeck used this system widely.

    However, the double-entry accounting method was said to be developed independently earlier in Korea during the Goryeo dynasty (918-1392) when Kaesong was a center of trade and industry at that time. The Four-element bookkeeping system was said to be originated in the 11th or 12th century.[2][3][4]

    The earliest extant accounting records that follow the modern double-entry system in Europe come from Amatino Manucci, a Florentine merchant at the end of the 13th century.[5] Manucci was employed by the Farolfi firm and the firm's ledger of 1299-1300 evidences full double-entry bookkeeping. Giovannino Farolfi & Company, a firm of Florentine merchants headquartered in Nîmes, acted as moneylenders to the Archbishop of Arles, their most important customer.[6] Some sources[which?] suggest that Giovanni di Bicci de' Medici introduced this method for the Medici bank in the 14th century.

    Historical records show that since the second caliphate, 634-644, Muslim civilizations had adopted written accounting and reporting and auditing systems for the regulation of zakat. Of particular significance are the documented works of the scholars, Al Khawarizmy and Al Mazendarany in 976 which show receipts recorded on the right hand page and payments on the left hand page, with conditions to exclude later tampering.[7] Critics of claims that Muslims invented double-entry bookkeeping accept that "several features of pre-double-entry accounting were used in the Muslim world before they were used in the West".[8]

    Ragusan economist Benedetto Cotrugli's 1458 treatise Della mercatura e del mercante perfetto contained the earliest known description of a double-entry bookkeeping system, but his manuscript was not officially published until 1573.[9][10]

    Luca Pacioli, a Franciscan friar and collaborator of Leonardo da Vinci, first codified the system in his mathematics textbook Summa de arithmetica, geometria, proportioni et proportionalità published in Venice in 1494.[11] Pacioli is often called the "father of accounting" because he was the first to publish a detailed description of the double-entry system, thus enabling others to study and use it.[12][13]

    In pre-modern Europe, double-entry bookkeeping had theological and cosmological connotations, recalling "both the scales of justice and the symmetry of God's world".[14]
     

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    @Jack D
    Obviously for as long as Jews were kept in ghettos and excluded from universities they were in no position to make contributions to modern science and industry, but I would say that they sure have made up for time in the last century plus.

    Poland really seems to be doing quite well without Jews but I can say that I went back to my mother's village in Galicia ( which is now Western Ukraine - Poland when my mother was growing up) and the lack of commerce was stunning. When my mother was growing up there were all sorts of small but thriving businesses in the town - I have seen the business directory from the town in the 20s. Many Jewish owned, some Polish - my grandfather's grain mill, a tannery, a livestock dealer, a dealer in cattle, a potter, a pharmacy, an insurance agent, etc. - all sorts of businesses you would expect to find in a rural town (my elderly mother remembered every merchant). When I visited a couple of years ago there was a corner grocery store specializing in vodka and that was the only commerce that I saw. The locals were still getting around in horse drawn hay wagons. A few had old Soviet autos. As far as I could tell, they were mostly practicing subsistence agriculture - it was shocking to see in the middle of Europe in the 2nd decade of the 21st century.

    there was a corner grocery store specializing in vodka and that was the only commerce that I saw

    You can find townships with similar attribute in the Upstate NY. I do not think you would forward explanation going along the Jewish angle in this case. The main reason for what you saw in Ukraine is communism and neoliberalism, like in the Upstate NY, after 1990s. It was part of Poland before WWII and when taken over by USSR all businesses and store were state owned. It would be not much different if Jews survived. However it was slightly different in post WWII Poland which though communist allowed for some private and cooperative enterprises. Actually before communists totally solidified their power in late 1940s market economy worked pretty well in Poland and there was not shortages yet (despite being so close to WWII devastation) for which later communist run economy was infamous. Now a joke: A conversation between two Jews right after the WWII and communist takeover of Poland: What are you planning to do?/I am going to emigrate./ Why?/Now we are in the government and they, the Poles are in business. This will not work.

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    In the US (and in Poland) the emptying out of the town is the result of modernization - the village grist mill is gone, but outside of town there's a VW factory or at least a Wal-Mart. In Ukraine the grist mill is also gone (I saw the ruins of "mine") but there's no factory or shopping center.
    , @Jack D
    Your other mistake is to assume that Ukraine is anything like upstate NY or ANYWHERE in the US. Even the poorest Indian reservation or Appalachian holler is much richer than a village in Ukraine (albeit mainly due to gov. transfer payments). The Ukrainian GDP is at African levels. It looks more picturesque because they lack trailers and have cute little horse carts and babushkas bent over in the fields like some 19th century print.
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  273. Jack D says:
    @utu
    there was a corner grocery store specializing in vodka and that was the only commerce that I saw

    You can find townships with similar attribute in the Upstate NY. I do not think you would forward explanation going along the Jewish angle in this case. The main reason for what you saw in Ukraine is communism and neoliberalism, like in the Upstate NY, after 1990s. It was part of Poland before WWII and when taken over by USSR all businesses and store were state owned. It would be not much different if Jews survived. However it was slightly different in post WWII Poland which though communist allowed for some private and cooperative enterprises. Actually before communists totally solidified their power in late 1940s market economy worked pretty well in Poland and there was not shortages yet (despite being so close to WWII devastation) for which later communist run economy was infamous. Now a joke: A conversation between two Jews right after the WWII and communist takeover of Poland: What are you planning to do?/I am going to emigrate./ Why?/Now we are in the government and they, the Poles are in business. This will not work.

    In the US (and in Poland) the emptying out of the town is the result of modernization – the village grist mill is gone, but outside of town there’s a VW factory or at least a Wal-Mart. In Ukraine the grist mill is also gone (I saw the ruins of “mine”) but there’s no factory or shopping center.

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  274. Jack D says:
    @utu
    there was a corner grocery store specializing in vodka and that was the only commerce that I saw

    You can find townships with similar attribute in the Upstate NY. I do not think you would forward explanation going along the Jewish angle in this case. The main reason for what you saw in Ukraine is communism and neoliberalism, like in the Upstate NY, after 1990s. It was part of Poland before WWII and when taken over by USSR all businesses and store were state owned. It would be not much different if Jews survived. However it was slightly different in post WWII Poland which though communist allowed for some private and cooperative enterprises. Actually before communists totally solidified their power in late 1940s market economy worked pretty well in Poland and there was not shortages yet (despite being so close to WWII devastation) for which later communist run economy was infamous. Now a joke: A conversation between two Jews right after the WWII and communist takeover of Poland: What are you planning to do?/I am going to emigrate./ Why?/Now we are in the government and they, the Poles are in business. This will not work.

    Your other mistake is to assume that Ukraine is anything like upstate NY or ANYWHERE in the US. Even the poorest Indian reservation or Appalachian holler is much richer than a village in Ukraine (albeit mainly due to gov. transfer payments). The Ukrainian GDP is at African levels. It looks more picturesque because they lack trailers and have cute little horse carts and babushkas bent over in the fields like some 19th century print.

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  275. utu says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.

    I vaguely remembered Paul Johnson bringing up the topic, but didn't remember his detailed ideas.

    Here is more from Sombart about what know-how was critical to capitalism:

    As has been stated, in economic history, his “Modern Capitalism” is regarded as a milestone and inspiration, although many details have been questioned. Key insights from his economic work concern the – recently again validated – discovery of the emergence of double-entry