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From the Los Angeles Times:

Hundreds gather in downtown L.A. to support convicted New York cop Peter Liang

by Kate Mather

Hundreds of demonstrators gathered in downtown Los Angeles on Saturday, carrying signs and chanting in support of a New York City police officer convicted in a deadly shooting.

The crowd, which was predominantly Chinese American, was one of many that rallied in cities across the U.S. on Saturday to protest the conviction of Peter Liang, who is also Chinese American.

Liang was found guilty of manslaughter earlier this month in the 2014 killing of Akai Gurley, an unarmed black man who died from a ricochet bullet that the rookie cop fired in the stairwell of a Brooklyn housing project.

The deadly encounter was one of many in recent months that drew heightened scrutiny amid the heated national debate over how police officers use force, particularly against African American men.

In Los Angeles, demonstrators chanted Liang’s name Saturday as they circled the sidewalks in front of City Hall. Cars drove slowly down the surrounding streets, horns honking as supporters held signs out of the windows. At one point, a black-and-white LAPD cruiser whooped its siren in front of the crowd, drawing cheers.

Supporters held signs plastered with slogans written in English and Chinese: “Save Peter Liang,” “Accident not crime” and “All lives matter.”

The anti-white racism that the liberal establishment has been promoting increasingly in recent years serves to unify an electoral coalition that doesn’t otherwise have much in common unless it can be given an Emmanuel Goldstein to hate. Without endless explanations in the media of why everything and anything is the fault of hereditary white guilt, African-Americans and Chinese-Americans, for example, will tend to notice that their interests don’t overlap much.

 

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  1. There was a pro-Liang rally in St. Louis yesterday, but it was almost entirely white cops and their families and pro-cop white St. Louisans.

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    Hundreds? There were 15,000 Asians protesting in NYC! Chinese immigrants come to the U.S. and push their kids to achieve and go to the best schools. Many end up at Ivies and get law degrees and invariably work for liberal political campaigns and liberal causes. And they vote heavily Democrat. So, Chinese-American community, enjoy the kind of society you and your progeny are working to bring about, I’m sure it’ll be a little more tolerable than the stretch Liang will be doing at Rikers Island. That is, if you stick to STEM and move to lily-white neighborhoods.

    Btw, Trump has been constantly talking up how police are mistreated. Is this calculated? He must’ve seen the NYC news on this. Will it win over some East Asians voters?

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    The end will have truly come when Feinstein, Boxer, or both lose their seat to a Latino who doesn’t give a shit about paying off connected green leftists, gun grabbers, or some other treasured white liberal ideology

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  4. Rut-Roh, rupture in the coalition.

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    What I find funny is that Asian-Americans who are more stereotypically Asian tend to be less politically and culturally liberal. In contrast, all of the Asian SJWs I’ve encountered, both online and off, aren’t very different from white liberals, aside from their physical appearance. They get really offended by microaggressions like, “Oh, sometimes I forget you’re Asian!”

    I bet there’s more of a likelihood that Asian-Americans who speak Asian languages at home tend to be apolitical, while Asian-Americans who speak English at home are more politically liberal.

    It just goes to show how deranged “assimilation” is in the US. Asians who are more assimilated to American culture understand that they’re supposed to feel threatened, bitter and unappreciative. You get more wealth and power from complaining about how America is a white supremacist country, instead of being grateful about what’s available in the US.

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    Donald Trump: Police are the ‘most mistreated people’ in America

    http://mashable.com/2016/01/14/donald-trump-police-mistreated/#z5VowsHz1iq0

    Way to pick up lots of Chinese and Asian-American votes in the general election.

    投票特朗普和梁將獲得赦免

    Vote Trump and Liang will be pardoned

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  7. Is there a study that shows which way Chinese Americans lean politically. Seems with strong family values and stress on education not gratification, it would be to the right. Help here.

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  8. This is why Libs love immigration.

    It neutralizes black power.

    Like the Corleone family, Lib Glob has a lot of buffers. Immigration increases buffers.

    Coalition of white Libs, buffers, and Negros.

    White-Americans, buffer-Americans, black-Americans(aka ruffer-Americans).

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  9. I watched the Mumia march through the West Bank near the University of Minnesota whatever year that was. The West Bank had become a primarily African neighborhood by then.

    But all 30 or so people in the march were white. Except for one Asian girl, who was likely the girlfriend or adoptive daughter of someone white. (She certainly acted white!) The Africans ignored them.

    So even the races and other demographic groups within the fringe can be further split internally.

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  10. Manslaughter for a ricochet? Which colour were the jurors?

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  11. I wonder who of the yellow fever brigade will show up here? And from the looks of it this case was criminal negligence at least. There was a discussion in a military forum where a lot of people were pointing out that this cop should not even be out on patrol in the first place.

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  13. There is a BLM narrative being bandied about that Liang is getting railroaded because he’s not white, that a white cop would have been acquitted (c.f. Ferguson).

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  14. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/exclusive-texted-union-rep-akai-gurley-lay-dying-article-1.2034219

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  15. According to CNN State of the Union today, the Democratic primary is going to be all black victimhood, all the time. Commercials from Bernie with Eric Garner’s daughter (the extremely obese man who had a heart attack when the cops were trying to arrest him). The Hillary commercials will feature 4 black mothers including the mother of Trayvon Martin. Judging by the Nevada results, Bernie will get almost nowhere pandering to South Carolina black voters.

    What will his young white supporters make of that? They don’t really believe that mothers and daughters of black criminals are saints; they’re just hoping it wins some some votes for Bernie to cater to them.

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  16. The Coalition of the Fringes will last as long as the Republican party has *nothing* positive to offer the country.

    Given a choice between “endless war, cuts to entitlements, pro-Wall Street policies, and upper-class tax cuts” and the Democrats, people who don’t have some sort of tribal loyalty to the Republican party are going to vote for the Democrats.

    If Trump actually succeeds and makes the Republicans a middle class friendly party, then all of a sudden a lot more Asians and Latinos, and even some blacks, would start supporting the party.

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  17. Liang was found guilty of manslaughter earlier this month in the 2014 killing of Akai Gurley, an unarmed black man who died from a ricochet bullet that the rookie cop fired in the stairwell of a Brooklyn housing project.

    The deadly encounter….

    What obnoxious writing! If there was a reason to mention that it was a ricochet that killed him, then there was no encounter, and whether he was unarmed is unimportant.

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  18. MOST. Overwhelmingly, Americans support cops. The latest BLM, white guilt, anti cop rhetoric
    is a VERY small vocal minority, and lib media.
    We understand most blacks that get shot, needed to be shot.
    The “thread” that unites the recent spate of cops killing blacks isn’t racism.
    It’s resisting arrest.

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  19. The man the ricochet bullet killed which is just bad luck/accidental as far as I am concerned.
    Akai Gurley. He was a drug pusher whose time had run out. Karmic justice.

    Akai Kareem Gurley (c. 1986 – November 20, 2014) was born in Saint Thomas, U.S. Virgin Islands, the Caribbean, and moved to New York when he was a child.[6] He was a resident of the Louis H. Pink Houses, where he lived with his girlfriend and two-year-old daughter. He has 24 prior arrests on his record, which consisted of drug dealing arrests.[7][8]

    ********Shows where “the community” is at to make heroes out of these repeat offender low lifes.

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  20. It’s odd that the Federal Government has not taken over this case.

    I thought that every killing of a Black by a non-Black is supposed to be investigated and punished by the Federal Government.

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  21. If you are killed with no “encounter” what else, other than manslaughter could it be?

    The firing of a lethal weapon precludes accidental deat.

    Once in a great while a local hunter here kills someone unseen with a poorly aimed shot at a deer and manslaughter is the usual verdict.

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  22. A ricochet? Doesn’t that fall into the category of bad luck, tough shit, write the family a check? Cops hit innocents all the time with stray gunshots, they write a check, patch em up, call it a day. All of this sort of stuff is a result of political correctness (a Black died, Black Lives Matter More), but there is more to it, and it’s tactical. The weapons these guys carry, most of them now, are .40 S&W and come off the muzzle at 200 grains JHP and 1350 FPS. They’re carrying 16 rounds as initially holstered and three spare magazines of 15 each. A stray can travel a mile and in hollow point form they do a fair amount of damage. A death is rare indeed, but they happen more than we know, these folks receive a check that keeps the tale under the table.

    It is past time to have this conversation, folks. Arming cops the way we have since the 80s has gotten out of hand. Lethal Weapon I & II were influential all over the country, btw. Ah yes, the kid with the Semi-auto, the old guy with the revolver. However, no cops are as good as the cop portrayed by Gibson and his Beretta, although lots of cops were as good as Danny Glover’s character with a revolver. Add in the Miami shootsout and a couple of other once-in-a-generation shootouts and here we are with uniform street cops WAY overarmed.

    Uniform cops straight out of academy should carry revolvers and a couple of speed loaders, not semi-autos and 60 rounds of high power ammunition. Give the cops back their 6-shooters, which demand greater precision and judgment and restrict semi-automatic carry to detectives and SWAT. In any case, the revolver does less peripheral damage and subjects the municipalities to less liability while still doing the job if a cop is any good with a weapon and if he isn’t, he doesn’t need to BE a cop. Spraying 15 shots with one or two hits is lousy fire control and by the way, where did the other 14 rounds go? Oh, and three cops were in the gunfight? This is how one suspect gets shot 10 and 12 times and sends 40 rounds out into the community, poor public relations, obviously. It would behoove police departments to train cops to take down suspects without first pulling their weapon also. I see the cops drawing their weapons over the stupidest issues out there, especially women. Sorry, that’s how I see it. Tell me where I’m wrong?

    Just saying.

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  23. African-Americans and Chinese-Americans, for example, will tend to notice that their interests don’t overlap much.

    We can hope. The darker scenario, however, is that Asians and blacks form a durable high-low coalition against us. The Asians to complete their conquest of the universities and the tech industry; to open the door wide to immigration by their coethnics; and to facilitate the entry of plenty of servant-class Hispanics (Asians, especially Indians, feeling entirely comfortable living in a highly polarized society).

    The blacks, well, out of spite as always.

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  24. You know who runs the drug trade in South East Asia right?

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  25. It could be argued that a death by ricochet from a bullet that shouldn’t have been fired might be negligent or even reckless homicide. I douby very strongly that either of these was truly proved beyond a reasonable doubt. More left wing political “justice.”

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  26. Cite pls

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  27. Will it win over some East Asians voters?

    I have seen little to nothing that suggests it matters given the USA’s anachronistic presidential electoral college system. East Asians are (1) few in number, (2) Concentrated in ‘locked’ states.

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  28. He just trynna get that money feed his seed you feel me fam

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  29. In ten years reading Steve Sailer commenters, I have noticed that many seem to profoundly misunderstand East Asians. I see this all the time here.

    Here is what so many seem to not get. In terms of political consciousness, East Asians are ethnocentric. They are not Wannabe-Whites or Defacto-Whites or whatever. In a prestige election — and nothing has more prestige than a presidential election — whenever it is or appears to be ‘White’ vs ‘Color Coalition’ thing, East Asians will reliably and strongly side with the latter. Note their overwhelmingly lopsided support for Obama, over three to one, if memory serves.

    In a Bush vs Gore, they might go Bush, but they will be firmly anti-White (politically) in a context involving a hint of Ethnopolitics.

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  30. Cops care about public relations?? News to me.

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    The anti-white racism that the liberal establishment has been promoting increasingly in recent years serves to unify an electoral coalition that doesn’t otherwise have much in common unless it can be given an Emmanuel Goldstein to hate. Without endless explanations in the media of why everything and anything is the fault of hereditary white guilt, African-Americans and Chinese-Americans, for example, will tend to notice that their interests don’t overlap much.

    There are still significant white demographics voting Democratic. Almost 60% of Polish, Irish, and Swedish Americans and almost 65% of Italian Americans and 70% of Jewish Americans voted for Obama against Romney:

    http://inductivist.blogspot.com/2016/01/white-voting-by-ethnic-group.html

    If there are major white demographic groups that have been here for generations and are still voting Democratic, it’s not clear that more recent arrivals won’t.

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  32. Those police were disobeying specific orders against vertical patrolling, meaning there were not even supposed to be there in the first place, and called their union instead of their commanding officers about the incident, and when they did notify their commanding officers, they initially did not even reveal that somebody was shot, just that there was an accidental discharge, which means that maybe they tried to cover it up initially? Otherwise why would they call their police officer’s union first instead of their commanding officers? At least it seems to reveal a lack of ability to be forthright.

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  33. Well, they’ll keep enough of us White guys around as their electricians, plumbers and other trades, infrastructure, the things the upper-level Asians and Jews are lacking in taste and strength for. They need folks of the median White intelligence to do those things. Truthfully, I see no Blacks or women, white or otherwise in the building/construction or service/maintenance trades I travel with. Never a Black commercial electrician, telephone guy, network technician, ever, at least in the NYC-Boston-DC corridor. White guys all, except Hispanics rule in the trade of base level construction, drywall, painting and whatnot. Our numbers dwindle by the year and pay is excellent these days, especially small shops that contract. Nice dough in the trades these days and there’s only one race and gender performing these tasks in the United States, anyway.

    The Whites in academia and the white-collar professions (those that are not engineering and design professions) that cannot maintain critical infrastructure, especially electricity and communications and technology infrastructure? They’re dead. Screw em, they don’t like my type anyway, let them starve. Ha! And, White women better sweeten up or they’re going to be flushed from their precious perches one day. As White men are flushed from influence and rule, White women will find their incessant bitching and moaning will fall on the deaf ears of the Yellow and Brown and Black people, especially the Muslims and whatnot.

    White women still don’t get that their power flows from the generosity/coercion of White men. As we disappear (largely by the hand of White women and all their abortions and birth control), the rules are going to change. Kinda wish I could have another 50-year go-around to see it all come to pass.

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  34. George Koo published some drivel over at the Asia Times to the effect that because Mike Brown’s shooter wasn’t indicted Peter Liang’s conviction proves systemic racism in the criminal justice system against east Asians.

    money quote:

    “As Frank Wu, former dean of Hastings Law School, pointed out in the Huffington Post, Asians along with Latinos and Blacks are on the same side of the racial divide not on opposite sides. The injustice is white vs. all the colored minorities. Liang is unlucky to become a cause celebre just when the emotional cauldron is at full boil.”

    http://atimes.com/2016/02/peter-liang-is-unlucky-to-be-an-asian-new-york-cop/

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  35. Why are you people so fond of lionizing East Asians here and putting them on a pedestal? Is it because so many of you have Asian girlfriends/wives/bargirls? Or have Eurasian children?

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  36. http://whitepeoplesaidwhat.tumblr.com/post/139147740424/interesting-how-an-officer-of-color-is-convicted

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  37. Maybe you should ask how Chinese treat South East Asians, or how high caste Indians treat lower caste personel? Anybody remember the Korean Air nut saga?

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  38. I’m tired of working. Give me my “entitlements”. Tax the upper class, which is everyone who makes a penny more than me.

    There are an awful lot of white folks in this country that think like blacks.

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  39. Had this guy been White, he probably wouldn’t have been prosecuted in the first place.

    I hope People of Color come together to fight injustice

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    They lean slightly to the right of whatever their White neighbors/classmates/colleagues are leaning. That being said, the vast majority of their White neighbors/classmates/colleagues are blue state SWPLs. So if the SWPLs are going for Bernie Sanders, they will pick somebody slightly less leftist, ie Hillary Clinton.

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  41. I see no evidence that Asians like blacks.

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    In terms of political consciousness, East Asians are ethnocentric. They are not Wannabe-Whites or Defacto-Whites or whatever. In a prestige election — and nothing has more prestige than a presidential election — whenever it is or appears to be ‘White’ vs ‘Color Coalition’ thing, East Asians will reliably and strongly side with the latter.

    Could you elaborate on your (and their) reasoning a little bit here? I realize it may seem obvious to you, but it is not to me and I would like to better understanding their thought process. Perhaps you could start by explaining what a “prestige” election is. Then of course, why that would cause East Asians to take up sides against “White.”

    but they will be firmly anti-White (politically) in a context involving a hint of Ethnopolitics.

    What does it mean to be anti-White, politically? And what does an “Ethnopolitics” look like?

    Thank you for your time.

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  43. The darker scenario, however, is that Asians and blacks form a durable high-low coalition against us.

    That would be well,… darker.

    Asian conquest of universities? You really haven’t been following Ron Unz’s heroic efforts have you? Being restricted to 15% of admissions is poor evidence of this supposed Asian conquest.

    Besides, if Asian have the academic chops, and are culturally assimilated, as they strive to be and usually are within one generation, and not ghettoized, as indeed they are not, what do we care?

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  44. Most of white America is comfortable with the policies that prevailed under Nixon and Ford. Nixon won an enormous landslide in 1972 because he combined law-and-order conservative views with economic moderation.

    The Republican party has gotten the idea that it can appeal to voters by moving far to the right on economics and balancing it out with left-wing immigration policies. It’s a disaster that will destroy the party and the country.

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  45. It could be argued that a death by ricochet from a bullet that shouldn’t have been fired might be negligent or even reckless homicide. I douby very strongly that either of these was truly proved beyond a reasonable doubt. More left wing political “justice.”

    Sure the BLM ignoramuses would love to send Liang to prison (full of black convicts) but putting him thorough the meat grinder of a politically charged trial will be plenty punishing in itself. Plus the primary objective is to provide the show trial drama the BLM crowd craves…like brawndo.

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  46. 投票特朗普和梁將獲得赦免

    You cannot use 和 in that sense. It does not have the same range of uses as ‘and’ does in English.

    You should use 於是 (and then, therefore, …) (于是 is the simplified version.)

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  47. It depends whether the officer is outnumbered by, or stronger than, the suspects. If a cop tries to subdue a suspect manually and turns out not to be up to the job, he’s in trouble. He may be prevented from reaching for his gun and may even have it taken from him. It’s usually considered that you should start to draw your weapon when the suspect is twenty feet from you if think you think there’s any chance you might need it. Once you do have it drawn, you’re more committed to using it, because having a gun in your hand limits your capacity for unarmed combat.

    As I understand it, the .40 S & W was a compromise choice after the reform of firearms policy resulting from the Miami shootout. The calibre they originally had in mind was the even more powerful 10mm. But they eventually decided its strong recoil would make rapid fire less accurate and the grip would be too thick for some officers because of the bigger cartridges. I suspect they’d have gone for the 10mm were it not for the increasing number of female law enforcement personnel.

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    But Dems need non-black votes to win. While as you’ve noted often Steve, the GOP doesn’t need non-white votes to win, but rather needs white votes to win. And to the extent that trying to get non-white votes reduces white support for the GOP, the GOP has even less of an incentive for non-white votes. And presumably, trying to get more white votes from a position of relatively high white support will involve more forceful appeals to whites that will naturally turn off non-whites.

    So the Dems have a huge incentive to get non-black votes, while the GOP has little to no incentive to get non-white votes, which suggests that the Dems will continue to get Asian and other non-black votes.

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  49. the USA’s anachronistic presidential electoral college

    What’s “anachronistic”? It’s the only thing that works.

    We have 50 different sets of electoral laws, and that’s how it should be. No competetive state will give up the unit rule (“winner-take-all” to the unread) because it would reduce their influence to nil, as in the Senate.

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  50. In terms of political consciousness, East Asians are ethnocentric. They are not Wannabe-Whites or Defacto-Whites or whatever.

    My gut feel, in talking to East Asians, it that that has it backward. The ethno-centrism is reactionary in nature and results from such reflexive white ethno-centrism as they happen to encounter in their daily lives. And there is some measure of that.

    East Asians, especially a generation in, are about as assimilated as anyone could reasonably ask for—in terms of dead-center middle-class American values, mannerisms, speech, aspirations, lifestyle, respect for law, integrating into suburbs without ghettoizing—all that we required of previous generations of European Americans.

    Any ethnocentrism on their part is in response to such rejection as they might genuinely encounter after those efforts, and, increasingly, is germinated, fed and nurtured by (white) left social justice and race studies “thought-leader” professors that they encounter in their higher education.

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  51. Did you not understand that he was not even supposed to be there in the first place?

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    Besides, if Asian have the academic chops, and are culturally assimilated, as they strive to be and usually are within one generation, and not ghettoized, as indeed they are not, what do we care?

    Because they displace native born Americans from university seats and jobs.

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    The ethno-centrism is reactionary in nature and results from such reflexive white ethno-centrism as they happen to encounter in their daily lives. And there is some measure of that.

    You are talking out your ass. Chinese, Koreans, and Indians arrive to the United States with disdain for native-born Americans. And they continue to harbor and cultivate that disdain here. Within such groups, there is pressure on children to marry within their tribes.

    Of course you scapegoat Whites as responsible for Asian prejudice and bigotry. Usual anti-White narrative.

    East Asians, especially a generation in, are about as assimilated as anyone could reasonably ask for—in terms of dead-center middle-class American values, mannerisms, speech, aspirations, lifestyle, respect for law, integrating into suburbs without ghettoizing

    No. They are highly ethnocentric and form Asian-only lobby groups at the university level and once out in the professional world.

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  54. Everbody knows that in Asia, the Chinese look down on the South East Asians, and the Japanese look down on the Okinawans, Koreans, and Chinese, while the Vietnamese and Thais think they are better than the other South East Asians.

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  55. “A ricochet? Doesn’t that fall into the category of bad luck, tough shit, write the family a check? Cops hit innocents all the time with stray gunshots, they write a check, patch em up, call it a day.”

    Yeah. Maybe that shouldn’t be considered to be “okay”.

    We’re from the government and were here to help you. Or maybe kill you. Hey, it’s a crap-shoot.

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  56. The electoral college is a holdover from centuries ago, as is the whole idea of “constituencies” with single representatives allegedly representing their “constituents” and the “first past the post” voting that makes the whole antiquated mechanism stumble along. It’s all so horse-and-buggy. If democracy is what the USA has pretenses of, the system is a poor one, because it demonstrably locks out the voices of, it can well be argued, a majority, potentially a large majority, one way or another.

    The Electoral College is one stark example of this. If you’re in a non-competitive state, there’s no point in voting. The outcome is generally always certain in all but, what, ten states? So it doesn’t matter. “Voting” just becomes a weird civic ritual (to most), like some ancient offering a sacrifice to the gods of old.

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  57. We can hope. The darker scenario, however, is that Asians and blacks form a durable high-low coalition against us. The Asians to complete their conquest of the universities and the tech industry; to open the door wide to immigration by their coethnics; and to facilitate the entry of plenty of servant-class Hispanics (Asians, especially Indians, feeling entirely comfortable living in a highly polarized society).

    Very well said Mr.IJ.

    I have it in my bones to desire a cohesive middle class society. Want to know my neighbors, participate in the community, have opportunity for all. Yes, the smart and hustling moving up economically, the slow and lazy falling behind but generally being part of a big high-trust middle class society. All of us part of it; all of us benefiting. It’s a white thing. But people coming from stratified societies–and i know a lot of Indians–do not have this mentality. They’re fine, with their family pushing–make sure your kids get into top schools and marry well–ahead, and a dystopian slum of lumpen proles over there to be the help. Essentially they are unconcerned with the society doing well, as long as they keep themselves in their (high, successful) caste within it.

    Though i confess, i realize this is the mentality that i have to adopt now as well. It’s not the 1960s i grew up in. It’s not a cohesive middle class society. I need to look after my kids and insure they end up in the high caste–though hopefully the white and highly fertile end of it.

    Diversity is balkanizing us and making us more like these Asiatic societies.

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  58. 1986 Miami FBI gun battle:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

    I wasn’t familiar with it, only with the 1997 North Hollywood battle royale in my neck of the woods.

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  59. Wow. He had it all: immigrant; color; unmarried parent; public housing; rap sheet; victim of the war on drugs. Might be some Islam involved. A hero has been raised and delivered.

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  60. If the experiences of Canada, Australia and New Zealand are anything to go by, populist politicians don’t get many Asian voters.

    Libertarian and “cukservative”politicians who specifically pander to Asians tend to pick up their votes pretty successfully, but anyone who campaigns on a conservative immigration platform is unlikely to have much success.

    If Australia and New Zealand for example, only conservative Aborigines and Maoris, plus a certain percentage of South Asians and Middle Easterners support populist politicians.

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    If the experiences of Canada, Australia and New Zealand are anything to go by, populist politicians don’t get many Asian voters.

    Libertarian and “cukservative”politicians who specifically pander to Asians tend to pick up their votes pretty successfully, but anyone who campaigns on a conservative immigration platform is unlikely to have much success.

    This is strong evidence that Asian immigration is very dangerous for Whites. Asians vote pro-”immigration” as if they were the beachhead in a conquest of White homelands.

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    The Democrats fight like hell for these fringe votes, not just the black votes, and they always have, since way back when it was Irish or Catholic or whatever.

    The Republicans may pay lip service, but can you see them seriously fighting over a fringe vote like this:

    “Hillary Clinton’s campaign calls ‘complete and utter bull***t’ on Bernie Sanders winning the Latino vote in Nevada ”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3457469/Hillary-Clinton-s-campaign-calls-bull-t-Bernie-Sanders-winning-Latino-vote-Nevada.html

    ” Bernie Sanders campaign boasted that while he lost to Hillary Clinton by 6 points, he won the Latino vote by 8 points
    Clinton’s campaign is suggesting that the entrance polls didn’t accurately represent the Latino voting pool in yesterday’s Nevada caucuses
    An analysis by the New York Times also called into question those numbers saying the margins may have been more narrow “

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  63. UCLA (University of Caucasians Lost among Asians) is about 50% Asian now. I would call that an Asian conquest. Some Master or PhD programs are 95% Asian, and maybe one Jew.

    The fact that they are smarter than blacks, doesn’t mean that they are (necessarily) Whitey’s friends. They may be, for a while… while it serves their purpose… but when it doesn’t… Oh well.

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  64. This is the kind of comment I had in mind. I have seen (what I consider to be) profound misreading of the East Asian “political mind” again, and again, and again, on these pages (and formerly at isteve.blogspot.com) from commenters. In fairness, it’s easy to fall for the trap. That is, we Western Whites are susceptible to misreading the East Asian mind. It’s a kind of “multicultural comparative advantage” they have. Northwest European Whites are fundamentally a naive people, in a way. (Our kindred of other European extraction are also naive but to a lesser extent.)

    Your last sentence is more on track.

    East Asian Man is much more collectivist, tribalist (broadly speaking), than Western Man. They are also much more conformist. Add these together in the context of the U.S. Multicultacracy, and you’ve got a significant group of considerable talent and means that is”politically anti-white,” reliably. They won’t commit street crime, and they’ll be polite to your face, yes. East Asians save face. A lot of otherwise-bright Sailer commenters dream of a “White-Asian political alliance” but it’s just not gonna happen in the present dispensation.

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  65. No. I wasn’t talking about that specific case.

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  66. almost all asians are bigoted against each other . for example chinese feel superior to philippinos and routinely abuse and degrade their pinay maids . japanese and koreans feel superior to all other asians .

    indonesia and malaysia have large chinese minority populations which the locals despise . the locals see themselves as pribumi , people of the land and chinese as invaders . both countries , indonesia in particular have had large riots including rape and mass murder against the chinese population .

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  67. Kinda wish I could have another 50-year go-around to see it all come to pass.

    Those of us with a little time left are hoping for some kind of Renaissance, but your comment is pretty trenchant. Flint MI lost their potable water: hiccup or harbinger?

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    Add these together in the context of the U.S. Multicultacracy, and you’ve got a significant group of considerable talent and means that is”politically anti-white,” reliably.

    Why are they “politically anti-white”? And in what forms does political anti-whitism specifically manifest?

    –Same Anonymous as replied to you above

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  69. If the experiences of Canada, Australia and New Zealand are anything to go by, populist politicians don’t get many Asian voters.

    I have quite a bit of exposure to the Chinese community in parts of the US, mainly, of course, the San Francisco Bay Area. Mostly the immigrant Chinese community, less so the native-born Chinese community.

    There seems to be a lot of approval for Trump in that community, at least among the people I talk to.

    It is true that they are very Ethnocentric and very proud of Chinese achievements and very disparaging of Blacks and Mexicans and even whites to some extent. They won’t usually say such things in English so you have to understand Mandarin etc to hear what they really say.

    Full disclosure: I married one a long time ago and am still married to her.

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    Would not he have been canned for disobeying orders that prohibit vertical patrols in the first place?

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  71. Time for Team Trump to reach out to Jeremy Lin, Justin Lin, or some other Chinese-American celebs.

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  72. Chinese, Koreans, and Indians arrive to the United States with disdain for native-born Americans. And they continue to harbor and cultivate that disdain here

    Yes. It also applies to those East Asians whom PiltdownMan extols as “100% assimilated” (whatever that means).

    PiltdownMan*, and millions like him, seem to believe in the Blank Slate idea. An “assimilated” East Asian is suddenly a Blank Slate, and will just absorb the political views of those around them, retaining nothing of an independent consciousness or the aggressive ethnocentrism and passions of their fatherlands and their race. No. Though some may talk a good game. Not all that glitters…. (Cf. the individual who goes by the name “Nikki Haley” [admittedly not an 'East' Asian]).

    Assimilated-East-Asian politics on anything related to the National Question, rests on a spectrum of blandly SWPL (on the ‘right’) to full-on anti-White Social-Justice-Warrior. Politely, of course, especially if there’s money to be made from you…

    .

    * — For the sake of discussion, I presume PiltdownMan to be a White American. His view, or what I infer to be his view from his post above, is, I feel, misguided but representative of White American political naivete.

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  73. In this case, it seems like he is not all there either, seems like a lot of mistakes which led to this accident, either way seems like a case of negligence? OT on black-asian IR dating, I think a largish portion of 2nd generation Asian females have no problems dating black males, but more of the parents are the problem, this seems to be the consensus from dating forums. 15 years seems too harsh, but a few years in the slammer seems to be on the dot.

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  74. UCLA (University of Caucasians Lost among Asians) is about 50% Asian now

    The Ron Unz research into the “Silent Asian Quota at the Ivy League” issue brings up a lot of questions. Unz seems to be right, with a knockout case. But what do we do with that knowledge?

    Does the USA want, need, an Ivy League that is enormously more Asian than its population (to say nothing of things, in rockier ground, like “the USA’s core ethnocultural population”; “founding stock”; etc.)? Razib Khan had a thoughtful post about this some time ago. “Asian Americans Lack Good Character“. Excerpt:

    Harvard’s role is to educate and inculcate the leaders of the next generation of Americans. It is the training ground for our natural aristocracy. Can American society actually conceive of a situation where 40% of those leaders are Asian? I doubt it. [...] Do we as a society need to abolish all discrimination by any means necessary? I’d say no.

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    From the inside, East Asians really do not think that they are more naturally intelligent than Whites, because the opium wars and WW2 would tend to suggest against that, the perception is that white people take their joy de vivre a little too seriously, basically whites are not dumber than Chinese or Koreans, but they are a lot lazier, or have way too much fun. Basically whites are inferior in spirit and character, but not necessarily in intelligence.

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  76. UCLA… is about 50% Asian now.

    Unz was chortling that Cal Tech is 60% Asian.

    Are we getting something for this ethnic re-norming? Are we getting some concomitant leap in science and tech over what we would have had otherwise? Anecdotes of mine and others are not too flattering of this brave, new cohort.

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    I guess it must be asked here. is there such a thing as sports IQ? Vs. regular IQ? I mean how come blacks who score so low in normal IQ tests seem to have very high basketball IQ?

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  78. Steve, would’t you agree that Miami and North Hollywood were the stuff of the movie “Heat”, once or twice in a generation and never like those since? In response, we massively over-armed UNIFORMED cops. Now, with better communications and radios and databases, uniform cops know in advance what they’re dealing with and if heavier weaponry than revolvers is called for, they can do that. Call for it.

    Even then, as a Virginia boy in the DC suburbs, I saw a lot of cops, all kinds of different cops from all the agencies, and they are countless. Shit, after Oklahoma City, they even armed GSA accountants with Beretta 9MM and Crown Vics with the Federal tint. U.S. Marshals were walking around armed to the nuts in raid gear all over Washington and the suburbs as a matter of course from then onward. Same for the local cops, GSA cops, Secret Service, Capitol Hill police, DEA, CIA, DIA and every stripe of military security AND you had tens of thousands of Virginians armed to the teeth with their Concealed Carry permits (I and all my pals and relatives were among THEM). And the Federal cops, they had jurisdiction everywhere.

    Add to all that the legions of local police, sheriffs, State Police from Md., Virginia and of course, the D.C. Police, and every little town in every state also had THIER local, armed to the nuts, police departments. DC and the region was an armed camp in 1993 or so onward and after 9/11 it all tripled or better.

    And in the matters of the DC Snipers, the Virginia Tech shooter, dozens of other deals of lesser publicity, all those cops, all that budget, all those weapons, all those cops, were for naught. Shit, in Boston up here a few years back those numb-nuts that set off the pressure cookers at the Marathon, it took 40,000 law enforcement two weeks, ir maybe a week, whatever, to find that last brother. And a CITIZEN found him. The cops didn’t prevent it, they didn’t solve it. A citizen found the DC Snipers at a rest stop. In between those incidents were hundreds of abuses, citizens murdered (not all, the Dindus get what’s coming to them mostly), all squashed with a check and non-disclosure clauses. What we’re spending, uselessly, on law enforcement armed heavy is a ridiculous thing, but like any agency and entity, they are their own lobby and interest and voting block. Mostly, cops don’t do shit except mop up after a crime and get face time from the Press. Cops never stop crime. Yet, we arm them to the nuts against situations that get our cities sued to DEATH.

    Think Barney Fife of Mayberry fame. One bullet, one revolver. If it gets more serious than that, call Andy. Hey cops, don’t like it? Tough shit. Find other work. I appreciate the police and all, but they are the tail wagging the dog. And most of them are NOT competent with the weapons they swagger around with. I’ve seen enough of them at the ranges and in action on the job to know that. (90% of em couldn’t shoot their way out of a piss-soaked paper bag and it is demonstrated ably and well every day. So enough. Arm the Barneys like Barney. Less harm that way. We’ll get a better shooter-in-uniform that way. And less damage in any case.

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    From the inside, East Asians really do not think that they are more naturally intelligent than Whites, because the opium wars and WW2 would tend to suggest against that, the perception is that white people take their joy de vivre a little too seriously, basically whites are not dumber than Chinese or Koreans, but they are a lot lazier, or have way too much fun. Basically whites are inferior in spirit and character, but not necessarily in intelligence.

    I think this may be somewhat accurate as to the inner outlook of Chinese and Koreans. I do not know that it describes Indians.

    One thing that you have omitted from the picture: I think that Chinese, at least, may perceive in Europeans a certain creative energy that Chinese feel Chinese lack.

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  80. This could be a long response but very briefly: They are reliably Democrat despite being the racial grouping with the highest average income. What would make them vote against their own economic interest?

    Republicans hold a 49%-40% lead over the Democrats in leaned party identification among whites. The GOP’s advantage widens to 21 points among white men who have not completed college (54%-33%) and white southerners (55%-34%). The Democrats hold an 80%-11% advantage among blacks, lead by close to three-to-one among Asian Americans (65%-23%) and by more than two-to-one among Hispanics (56%-26%). [Reply

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  • Asian immigration is very dangerous for Whites

    People once understood this. Both Canada and the USA had long-standing total bans on Chinese immigration.

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  • basketball IQ

    Not sure where this came from, but…

    One of Steve Sailer’s pet issues is meekly pointing out that White Americans once played that game. Today there are virtually none at the professional level. Why?

    If lead lowers regular IQ, did something in White Americans’ water or etc. dramatically lower their basketball IQ in the past thirty years?

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  • Damn, the coding bug jumps up again. Ending a comment with a ] symbol causes the post numbers to get screwed up. , please edit my #73 and remove the [ ] marks, I think it should resolve it.

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  • Unz seems to be right, with a knockout case.

    Based on SAT scores. The Ivies claim that those scores aren’t everything. Are they wrong? The Ivy league brand has been staying pretty strong lately. Is there much evidence that the rejects are out dueling the accepted in the Real World ™?

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  • It’s telling that someone with a record of 25 arrests was living in public housing. I believe there was a time when public housing residents had to show, what might quaintly be called, “good character.”

    At least he had the initiative to get out there and hustle drugs, though he doesn’t seem to have been particularly good at not getting caught. I suppose he could be considered a casualty of the war on drugs.

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  • In your view of things, to which class of objects do semi-automatic pistols belong?

    Who do you think pulled the trigger on Officer Liang’s gun?

    How do you interpret the term “manslaughter”?

    Honestly, there is no pleasing some people.

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  • The 1997 North Hollywood shootout (roided-up bankrobbers in body armor firing 900 rounds) seemed then like it was from the future, but now, 19 years later, it seems more like the past. Has there been anything quite like it in this century?

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  • Coalition of the Fringes Not Quite Seamless

    Right. Which is why we see Trump having a tough time getting above 35%, Cruz and the right wing nerds at 20% or so, establishment Great Latino Hope in low 20% or upper teens and the rest in single digits.

    America’s Coalition of the Fringes, otherwise known as the Republican party, is definitely splintered.

    As for America’s Party of the Core Majority, known as Democrats, they do obviously lack a youthful uniter like Obama and are stuck with two old White people from an age when White people dominated everything and were some 90% of the country.

    Without endless explanations in the media of why everything and anything is the fault of hereditary white guilt, African-Americans and Chinese-Americans, for example, will tend to notice that their interests don’t overlap much.

    The White male persecution complex and it’s Le’Sigh self pity is not a pleasant sight to behold.

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  • No, there hasn’t. Yet, we arm our police as if the possibilities are endless. The risk to our persons and freedoms are the police in the end. They treat every approach of a citizen as a “scenario” with a threat matrix complete with disdain for, disrespect displayed, fear of and aggression exercised toward every citizen. Even in the most mundane encounters. Such as their MAIN encounter with any citizen they can roust for anything at all, the traffic stop, made in the course of their MAIN duty, ticket-revenue collectors for the State and Insurance Company Lobbies.

    Yes. We need to arm them to the nuts for THAT encounter. Sorry. The image of Virginia State Police, hiding behind their police cars at Virginia Tech while the little Korean boy with one handgun murdered 30 people because the cops wouldn’t go get him. They were AFRAID to go get him. Their pathetic “excuse”? Asian boy chained the doors at one end of the building closed. As if they couldn’t drive a car through the doors. When a local cop finally gathered the stones to go in, the kid blew his own brains out. Virginia State Police. The cowardice goes in before the name goes on.

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  • The GOP’s own coalition of the fringes seems to be coalescing around Marco Rubio. I was struck by the triumphalism in the Nikki Haley quote in the FT below. The daughter of Sikh immigrants was elected governor, and an African American was elected to the US Senate, by the overwhelmingly white Republicans of South Carolina. In response, Haley and Scott endorse the Cuban-American POTUS candidate who wants to elect a new people.

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    Based on SAT scores. The Ivies claim that those scores aren’t everything. Are they wrong? The Ivy league brand has been staying pretty strong lately. Is there much evidence that the rejects are out dueling the accepted in the Real World ™?

    Do SAT scores do a good job of capturing Western European creative prowess?

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    Asian immigration is very dangerous for Whites

    People once understood this. Both Canada and the USA had long-standing total bans on Chinese immigration.

    Would you mind explaining why you believe Asian immigration is dangerous? I am actually the same anonymous who wrote that statement. However, it’s something that I intuit more than I am able to explain and articulate. I agree (intuitively) with much of what you have written and believe it could be helpful to all of us (here and for future “teaching”) for someone to really articulate the basics for us.

    Same with this statement of yours:

    What would make them vote against their own economic interest?

    I suppose the very general answer is “ethnic interest”? But what specifically do those ethnic interests (and target public policies) look like? Why the democratic party and in what ways exactly is it the democratic party that is the one that advances Asian group interests?

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  • You are talking out your ass.

    Thank you for spotting a physical talent I did not previously know I had :)

    Chinese, Koreans, and Indians arrive to the United States with disdain for native-born Americans.

    Agreed. I’ve sensed this, and on occasion, overheard an unguarded comment.

    Within such groups, there is pressure on children to marry within their tribes.

    But hasn’t this always been true of immigrant groups? And hasn’t the counter-force, which has usually prevailed, been the lure of mates within the existing population? This dynamic would continue to work in the case of Asians, I would think. Asians like Shiksas too, you know. And we know of the Asian girlfriend thing among white American guys. High academic and professional achievement do send strong positive signals to potential mates in the greater population that overcome any omega attributes.

    Of course you scapegoat Whites as responsible for Asian prejudice and bigotry. Usual anti-White narrative.

    Are we to deny that at least some Whites, for whatever reason, are put off by Asians? Or that an Asian would not pick up on that?

    No. They are highly ethnocentric and form Asian-only lobby groups at the university level and once out in the professional world.

    I see this as being germinated, aided and abetted by the grievance-mongering politically correct rhetoric from the academic white left, especially in their college years, but I don’t see Asian cliques at JP Morgan Chase or Goldman Sachs once they graduate.

    As Razib Khan pointed out in the article someone here linked to, it is important to distinguish between new Asian immigrants and their children and grandchildren. I’m very hard pressed to see that the latter are forming a problematic, cliquish group within larger American society. I’m willing to allow that such anecdotal and personal knowledge as I have is of successful professional class second generation Asian Americans whom I know mostly from work, and a few from my suburb. I know little of what the children of say, Vietnamese fishermen end up doing in life or what they are like. Maybe they end up the same place as my acquaintances and colleagues. Maybe they don’t.

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  • sailer wrote:

    “The anti-white racism that the liberal establishment has been promoting increasingly in recent years serves to unify an electoral coalition that doesn’t otherwise have much in common unless it can be given an Emmanuel Goldstein to hate. Without endless explanations in the media of why everything and anything is the fault of hereditary white guilt, African-Americans and Chinese-Americans, for example, will tend to notice that their interests don’t overlap much.”

    ———

    **Takes Off Make America Great Again Hat And Puts on Ronald Reagan Hat**

    “There you go again…”

    So, let me get this straight: this whole anti-white racism that the liberal establishment has been promoting is being pushed on us just to unite the democratic coalition. Right?

    No other reason for it?

    They just randomly chose chose anti-white racism as the binding force behind their coalition, for their Emmanuel Goldstein.

    They could have chosen anything else, right? Like say, the color of curb address signs in suburbs….or, say, the sound quality of antique guitar amps, or something like the design of car radiator grills. Anything at all. Completely random. What the Emmanuel Goldstein is matters not, right?

    But, see, I don’t buy that. Just as some animals are selected for survival by nature, and some are selected for extinction, likewise, some ideas are promoted to the top and some never see the light of day.

    Yes, liberals have made anti-white racism their Emmanuel Goldstein. Kinda obvious, really.

    But you give your readers their own Emmanuel Goldstein–the liberals.

    But you ignore the forces that select the ideas that make it to the top. You ignore the fact that anti-white racism serves a purpose or purposes for those that fund and control both the GOP and Dems.

    But maybe it doesn’t really matter what the truth is. After all, ignorance is strength, right?

    **Takes Off Ronald Reagan Hat And Puts on Make America Great Again Hat**

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  • Here is what so many seem to not get. In terms of political consciousness, East Asians are ethnocentric. They are not Wannabe-Whites or Defacto-Whites or whatever. In a prestige election — and nothing has more prestige than a presidential election — whenever it is or appears to be ‘White’ vs ‘Color Coalition’ thing, East Asians will reliably and strongly side with the latter.

    That’s because many “white males” overvalue Asians as they undervalue and fear blacks. They might be looking for an “Asian ally” just like many are dreaming of an “Asian girlfriend”.

    Plus your average White right wing dork thinks Asians are simply a pawn of, wait for it……..CULTURAL MARXISTS.

    They have a tough time comprehending that all non White groups simply have a basic ethnocentrism that right wing “white males” have for their group, the so called “whites”.

    Sure Asians and others can pick up some anti-White moves from blacks but that’s simply them copying the group that has punked out “whites” the most.

    But they still have the goal of promoting the perceived interests of “their people”.

    Remember “racism”/ethnocentrism is basic to all groups. It’s only Whitey and his anxiety and guilt and sterility over his own group identity that is the outlier in human history.

    And even there it might be something even more focused on the Northwest European part of the White race.

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    But, Steve, you miss a number of key – and crucial – points in this analysis.

    Namely that the whole concepts of ‘Totem Pole’ and ‘rich pickings’ or ‘looting’ are absent.

    Firstly, perhaps the biggest movers and biggest beneficiaries of the Democrat Totem Pole have been white women. They have gained an absolutely enormous amount of wealth and power from the arrangement, so for sentimental reasons, if no other, they are unlikely to abandon the Totem Pole.
    Secondly, without the so-called ‘civil rights’ agitation of the early 60s, which was entirely a ‘black thing’ sans the commie and Jewish leadership, then the simple plain fact of the matter is that no Chinese or another Asiatic population would be present in mass numbers on US soil right now. This is intuited. Now, personal and family security takes priority over all other considerations, thus for largely deep psychological reasons expect lasting Asian loyalty to the Democrats.
    Thirdly, the main business of the Totem Pole, apart from asserting supremacy and superiority is looting. Namely it institutionalizes a massive, permanent and in built transfer of wealth, influence and power from white males – where let’s be frank the goodies actually are, according to Sutton’s Law – to its intended beneficiaries. Thus everyone who is not a white male has every rational incentive to vote the Totem Pole in.

    Yes, Chernobog sits atop the Totem Pole, but the Yoni is forever bickering and challenging him, threatening to edge him out. Altogether, the Yoni, deceptively, presents a cuddlier face, if you will, to the world than Chernobog does.

    incentive to vote the Totem Pole in.

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    Actually within Asians, the Chinese and Japanese perceive Koreans as being violent and thuggish, sort of like Blacks, I remember visiting Osaka and the tour guide warning to keep an eye out for certain people there, basically the Japanese view Koreans in the same way whites view black people.

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    This could be a long response but very briefly: They are reliably Democrat despite being the racial grouping with the highest average income. What would make them vote against their own economic interest?

    It seems that higher rates of college raise the Asian median income. They’re not highest when controlled for that, and they tend to be concentrated in high cost of living areas:

    http://www.epi.org/blog/asian-american-income/

    College-educated workers tend to earn more than less-educated workers and this pulls up the median Asian American earnings.

    When one compares the annual personal income of Asian Americans and whites of the same gender and educational level, Asian Americans do not always come out on top. The figure below shows these comparisons for workers with a high school diploma and with a bachelor’s degree. In 2010, among workers with a high school diploma, white men earned about $11,000 more than white women and Asian American men and women.

    Among workers with a bachelor’s degree, white men remain the highest earners, but their earnings advantage over Asian American men is only about $5,000. In this comparison, Asian American and white women earn significantly less than Asian American men. Asian American women earn about $11,000 less than Asian American men, and white women earn about $13,000 less than Asian American men. This puts Asian American and white women at about $16,000 and $18,000 behind white men, respectively.

    Another issue to consider is that Asian Americans are more concentrated than whites in high-cost-of-living areas. Asian Americans are overrepresented in expensive metropolitan areas like Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco, and Honolulu. Given this fact, controlling for educational attainment, Asian Americans should earn more than whites, but as the figure illustrates, they often don’t.

    They also seem to have a higher unemployment rate overall:

    http://www.epi.org/publication/hidden_disadvantage/

    Asian Americans with bachelor’s degrees only have a higher unemployment rate than whites with bachelor’s degrees. Asian American high school dropouts, however, are more successful than white dropouts at finding work.

    These advantages and disadvantages sum to a net disadvantage for Asian American workers. The overall unemployment rate for Asian Americans, 25-years-old and over in the fourth quarter of 2009 was 7.1%. The comparable rate for whites was 7.0%. If Asian Americans had the same unemployment rates by education level as whites, however, the Asian American unemployment rate would have been 6.3%, almost a percentage point lower. Thus, overall, Asian American workers are disadvantaged relative to white workers.

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  • Prediction: a standard high school history exam from 2075 on will contain a version of the following question:

    Explain how and why the notion of “a proposition nation” failed. Illustrate your answer with examples.

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    Here’s some more data suggesting higher Asian unemployment:

    http://www.epi.org/publication/ib323s-asian-american-unemployment-update/

    In particular, Asian Americans still had the highest share of unemployed workers who were unemployed long term (for more than half a year) when compared with white, black, and Hispanic workers—despite having higher education levels than these other racial/ethnic groups. In addition, highly educated Asian Americans continued to have a higher overall unemployment rate than similarly educated whites.

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  • Greg Morrison made similar arguments in favor of the revolver as the weapon of choice, especially for inexperienced police officers. He favored a five or six shot .44 Special. Even the factory round (246 grain .429 caliber bullet at c. 750 fps) is pretty decisive and you could develop special loads to get perhaps 1000 fps from a 200 grain bullet. The limited ammunition supply makes “hosing” less likely as a gunfighting technique. Reloading a revolver is a challenge, however, since it has to be taken out of action to do so and therefore requires the user to make a tactical decision. With a self-loader you perform a tactical reload at the first break in the action, or a speed reload if you have shot your piece dry. I personally always favored the 1911 .45–if you can’t solve your problem with eight rounds it’s probably past solving, although the extra magazine is psychologically comforting. I don’t think, however, that you’ll get the police to return to the six-shooter; the trend seems to be to more, not less, military-style armament.

    Ricochets are a tough situation. One should be aware of what is beyond the target, but in an urban environment that can be very difficult. I think that when John Dillinger was killed, one bullet passed beyond his body and wounded a bystander. There’s also the problem that the target itself may blot out the view of what’s beyond and the phenomenon of target fixation–you literally don’t see anything beyond what you’ve decided to shoot at. I think establishing criminal intent in such a situation is very difficult, absence a finding a recklessness–you knew there was a high likelihood that a non-combatant would be injured but fired anyway. Negligent ricochets should be a subject for the civil justice system.

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  • Prediction: a standard high school history exam from 2075 on will contain a version of the following question:

    Explain how and why the notion of “a proposition nation” failed. Illustrate your answer with examples.

    Prediction: By 2075, high school history will be too dumbed-down for any high school teacher to dare to ask any such question.

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  • A beachhead is exactly that. Many study immigration law and create (shonky) businesses to further Asian immigration. We are collectively idiots for allowing this.

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  • Well, there was this incident at the 1988 Olympics in Seoul:

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  • Heat was a terrific movie inspired by the heavy firepower shootout. De Niro and the others even took some fatalistic cues from the robbers. At the time though, I was sure the N. Hollywood shoot out was inspired by Hollywood. I went Hollywood to N. Hollywood back to Hollywood.

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  • Yeah right. Don’t Norwegians think Icelanders are the blacks of Scandanavia.

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  • The movie “Heat” was 2 years before the North Hollywood shootout.

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  • I should have specified that the exam will be administered in Moscow or Tokyo.

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  • To the extent that Orientals are assimilated, they are assimilated to Hollywood leftism and the anti-White Multi-cult.

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  • they (TPTB) have no problem invoking simplistic evo-psych explanations for why Communism failed (people are by nature selfish and posessive – like Communism was against any and all ownership) whereas it’s precisely the resistance towards open borders where such explanations are the most apropos.
    having to deal with the influx of other ethnic groups is more unnatural (and thus taxing of personal well-being) than the inability to own a factory.

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  • As for America’s Party of the Core Majority, known as Democrats, they do obviously lack a youthful uniter like Obama and are stuck with two old White people from an age when White people dominated everything and were some 90% of the country.

    You mean from before the time when America had imported huge amounts of division?

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  • What people will pay for houses tells what they really think. Chinese are not poor Italians just arrived in steerage, living where they must. Chinese buy houses exactly where they want to. Just as Whites pay extra to live apart from Blacks and Mexicans, Orientals pay more to live apart from Whites. We are their Beaners.

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  • PS demographic control and having a say who they settle near you should be a human right, in recognition of the fact that people are territorial and that diverse places generally are not nice or conducive to having a high trust society.

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  • Well about how honest above 100 IQ White people or Asians are? I lost a camera outside of a souvenir store in Juneau, Alaska, and the only people there were Indian tourists (if they were well off enough to go on an Alaskan cruise they likely are above average IQ higher caste Indians), and the White male and female east Asian teenager (basically there were a teenage few white boys and a single East Asian female teen minding the store at the counter) minding the souvenir store where I sat on a bench outside and lost the camera, and there was not a Black or Mexican person outside the store within a 200 yard radius of the store where I lost the camera at that time.

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  • How is the party of about 40% of Whites the party of the Core?

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  • Oh right. The N. Hollywood shootout was inspired by Heat. That’s what I thought. I saw Heat
    at a late night show in the cinema in Century City. When DeNiro on the phone said “I’m speaking to a dead man”, that got a real positive response. Followed by some snarky response as in why are you cheering for a murder? Los Angelenos, Steve, complicated creatures.

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  • Orientals are not us. They look down on us. They are discivic. We build a society that runs on rules, and they establish a sub-society that cares only to games the rules when they must, and cheat when they can.

    Not to mention that you’d have to be an idiot to not recognize that they practice technological espionage on a massive scale. China does not allow its people to come here in order to strengthen America.

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  • What will his young white supporters make of that?

    It will go over like “Dashiki Night” at 1972 Democratic McGovern convention.

    All but the most SJW/Cultural Marxist deluded white folks who some day aspire to have what grandparents had will vote Trump.

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  • Air conditioning is a good field for white guys in hot states. I know an independent operator who is training one son and maybe another to take over the business. They work non stop in the summer and go away hunting for ten days when summer is done. btw quite often it’s the capacitor that blows and can be bought cheap on ebay or locally at WW Grainger

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  • The police have switched from revolvers to semi-autos for several reasons. First, they were utterly outgunned by criminals, almost all of whom these days are carrying large-capacity semi-auto weapons. Second, the self-cocking, single-action semi-autos actually give much better overall likelihood of accurate shooting if used properly. (Even out of the box, striker action semi-autos have a consistently lower trigger pressure than most unaltered revolvers.)

    Third is the fact that in a firefight, or even a one-on-one exchange of pistol fire, it is the number of rounds fired that determines who will win. If you’ve shot a pistol on a range and never been in combat you cannot appreciate this. You don’t gain a target picture and then fire in combat situations. You don’t have time and your body is shaking with adrenaline. You point your gun in the right direction and empty it hoping that you’ll hit a bad guy or at least keep him ducking so he can’t hit you.

    Within the past three years I was an eye-witness to a firefight where over three hundred rounds were fired at ranges of less than twenty-five yards. Of the dozens of people who were involved, one bad guy was fatally wounded and the other was wounded. One officer was badly wounded by friendly fire. I’ve heard of cases where two men emptied their pistols at each other from a distance of six feet and neither was touched. Anybody who claims that eight rounds is more than sufficient to take out an opponent in a real life combat situation is not just ignorant; he is an idiot.

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  • It’s a guard against vote fraud. Vote fraud in a state such as NY that’s a lock for the Dems doesn’t affect the election. That would not be true under National Popular Vote.

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  • You are subscribing to the “McDonalds fallacy”. When I arrived in Asia 35 years ago I saw how popular McDonalds was and by extension naively assumed a great affection or at least empathy for American culture and, perhaps, Americans.

    Not so. That overpriced fast food represented modernity, aspiration, international standards, whatever. It became clear to me fairly quickly that the great majority of those customers would have very little enthusiasm for being joined at their tables by caucasians, or any other ethnic group.

    East Asians are highly chauvinistic and steeped in ethnic awareness. To be, say, Chinese is to be a privileged member of a giant club, as the old quip goes.

    This is not criticism: it is just how it is. If this is not incessantly and openly discussed by the in-groups themselves this is not a conspiracy but merely reflects the fact that this tendency to look ethnically inwards is an stunningly obvious fact of nature and culture for the people concerned.

    Sure one can can rank ethnicities for prickliness and point to exceptions and argue that sashimi has been a boon to the world but it doesn’t change any of the above.

    PS My experience in dealings with Asians generally, mostly in Asia but also in the west, is that there is no much connection between fluency in English, cosmopolitan style and technical skills and empathy for democracy, enlightenment values, transparency and so on.

    Some of the most stunning, bigoted crooks I have met have been extraordinarily suave Asian-Americans wholly at ease in America’s big cities.

    (PPS Been to Vancouver lately?)

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  • How can you police a high density area without vertical patrols? Were the cops prohibited from vertical patrolling in all circumstances?

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  • It’s telling that someone with a record of 25 arrests was living in public housing. I believe there was a time when public housing residents had to show, what might quaintly be called, “good character.”

    Most likely he lived with his mother along with his girlfriend and children or at least was “based” there as he bounced around. I am saying the public housing apartment was in his mama’s name.

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  • In terms of political consciousness, East Asians are ethnocentric.

    From what I can see there is a strong desire to assimilate to elite white norms among asian americans. Since they are most heavy in California, Seattle, and New York, that is the white elite norm they are mostly aiming at. But those that head to Orange County and Texas are more conservative and tend toward W style mainstream conservatism.

    You won’t see many alt right asians since there is no part of the USA where we are elite.

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  • Asians just got here or parachuted in here (look up California parachute students in the San Gabriel Valley) so I am against Ron Unz’s spergy efforts to shame Harvard/Ivies into higher Asian enrollments. They don’t play by rules when it comes to paying taxes for their all cash and cash oriented businesses so why should Harvard play by mechanistic admission standards the Asian pressure groups (and Unz) want to put in place? Especially in California state universities and in California where they are more numerous, more organized and have the power to nullify public high school admissions policies pushed by Hispanic legislators.

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  • Excellent post!

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  • The most recent Fresh Off the Boat takes a jab at Jews …

    in the form of mixed race (Jewish mom/Chinese dad) kid Phil Goldstein.

    http://putlocker.is/watch-fresh-off-the-boat-tvshow-season-2-episode-13-online-free-putlocker.html

    Phil sort of out-tigers Eddie’s family in everything with a smug talmudic arrogance. Remember the series is set in the 90s. And Phil starts Phil’s Faves and trashes the Wong’s restaurant in the reviews.

    The Wongs come to speak to him at his house. He speak Yiddish to his mother and she says,
    “I told you it’s not polite to speak Yiddish in front of Gentiles” , at once correcting Phil and being dismissive of the Chinese Wongs. And Phils rolls his eyes in dismissal of the Wongs.” He is a cross of both Jewish and Chinese arrogance, feeling superior to all, the true master race in his own mind.

    The Wongs counter with their own page. The punchline from the mom, “Hard to believe the site “PhilsFaveHasWrongOpinions.com was available”. Phil’s counters with a typical jewish move. He creates a massive campaign about Web bullying of children online, entirely bogus, but effective. The school introduces it in the PTA meeting complete with a cop promising to find the offenders, these bullies.”

    http://putlocker.is/watch-fresh-off-the-boat-tvshow-season-2-episode-13-online-free-putlocker.html

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  • Fresh off the Boat is created by Nahnatchka Khan, the lady who created iSteve fave Don’t Trust the Bitch in Apt. 23. She came up through Malcolm in the Middle and one of Seth McFarland’s shows. She’s not terribly politically correct.

    Khan is some kind of Iranian-American, but I don’t know what kind.

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  • Btw, Trump has been constantly talking up how police are mistreated. Is this calculated? He must’ve seen the NYC news on this. Will it win over some East Asians voters?

    Interestingly, in South Africa, where I am currently typing from, Asians – consisting of mainly of Indians and what we call ‘coloureds’ – not a pejorative in SA – the term refers to the 4.6 million or so mixed race community, generally identify more with the whites. Which is why the opposition to the ANC, the DA- the Democratic Alliance – run the majority coloured Western Cape province.

    Overall South Africa is 80% black and draconian race preference policy – euphamised as BEE- Black Economic Empowerment – is legally mandated.

    % Racial Break Down of South Africa’s 51 million population…

    Indian + other Asian – 2.5%
    Coloured – 9%
    White – 9%
    Black – 80%

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  • We have “pretenses” of being a republic. More precisely, a federation of republics.

    Those who whine about the Electoral College don’t have the stomach to go after the US Senate, which is 50 times as bad (literally) by their reckoning.

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  • The recent San Bernardino shooting had potential (two heavily armed suicidal jihadists) but ended relatively quickly. Prior to that you had the ex LAPD maniac Chris Dorner who killed two police officers before going down in a shoot out in Big Bear.

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  • Hey, c’mon now. New York is simon pure compared to Illinois! NY= good vs bad. Ill= bad vs bad.

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  • Closest I can think of is Chris Dorner, the rogue cop. I suppose the only other analog would be terrorist shoot-outs, or Tsarnaev-style manhunts. But the bank robber/cop gang-blast (good call on Heat, which was 1995), and perhaps, ironically, Reservoir Dogs, is a thing of the past because who does armed bank robberies any more?

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  • …that person is mentally ill

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  • Conclusions from Obama winning the Romney-Obama contest are not easily carried into the future. Romney was a Wall Street insider specializing in destroying jobs and looting companies of their assets. He was easy to hate. How stupid could the Republicans have been to nominate him in the first place!

    Hussein Obama won because the “center” in the Northeast, Mid-Atlantic, and West Coast voted for Obama as a protest vote against Wall Street. The “center” this time appears to support Donald Trump who plays to Main Street rather than Wall Street.

    The irony of the Obama-Romney contest is that, once unmasked, Obama also turned out to be a Wall Street puppet.

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  • Because they were under orders to not do vertical patrols? Or at most to stay at the lobby of the Building?

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  • Are we getting something for this ethnic re-norming? Are we getting some concomitant leap in science and tech over what we would have had otherwise? Anecdotes of mine and others are not too flattering of this brave, new cohort.

    Indeed we are not, and I pointed out this fact in the comments of Ron’s original article. I’ll repost it here since it seems germane. Please excuse the tone, particularly in the last paragraph as my intention at the time was to get some Asian panties in a knot, but I stand by the broad strokes of the argument ;)

    Maybe Harvard wised up to the fact that Asians are amazing test-prep jockeys but severely under-perform in “real life?” Standardized tests are a means to an end, not an end in itself. Colleges are supposed to value these tests because they’re meant to be a proxy for the inherent intellectual aptitude of the applicants.

    With Asians, this relationship breaks down. Their performance on the SAT correlates only with…their performance on the SAT. Once it’s time to go out in the real world and innovate or engage in enterprise, they fall flat. Who wants this kind of losers? What good does it do for society to bestow a finite resource like admission to the nation’s elite universities on a group of people whose greatest accomplishment in life ends up being…getting admitted to those elite universities?

    If we want to foster the successors to Benz, Newton, Carnegie, or Gates, we must select the candidates who have the most potential to fill those shoes and give them the limited spots in the Ivy League/Stanford etc. The Asian experiment has failed. Evaluating kids based on who has spent more hours and more dollars grinding out marginal improvements on the SAT has unsurprisingly not been effective at screening for the next titans of innovation and industry. And it’s not like Asians have proven any great capacity to innovate for the better part of a millennium. It is time that the Asian invasion of our elite institutions be stemmed, for the sake not only of Americans, but of human progress.

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  • They’re fine, with their family pushing… ahead, and a dystopian slum of lumpen proles over there to be the help. Essentially they are unconcerned with the society doing well, as long as they keep themselves in their (high, successful) caste within it… Diversity is balkanizing us and making us more like these Asiatic societies.

    It is one of the largest ironies of our time that those searching for something better come here, harvest our high trust middle class society, and turn it into a version of from what they were trying to get away.

    I’m wondering if the future will have “society farming”, where there will be a maintained stock of people who can build a high trust, middle class society. They “seed” an area, which then gets harvested a few years later.

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  • Uniform cops straight out of academy should carry revolvers and a couple of speed loaders, not semi-autos and 60 rounds of high power ammunition. Give the cops back their 6-shooters, which demand greater precision and judgment and restrict semi-automatic carry to detectives and SWAT.

    Yes, let’s restrict the better weapons to the cops who push the paper (detectives) and respond long after the shit has hit the fan (SWAT). And sending soldiers and police out there with obsolete, underpowered weapons would be great for morale. Good call.

    Oh, and three cops were in the gunfight? This is how one suspect gets shot 10 and 12 times and sends 40 rounds out into the community, poor public relations, obviously.

    10 to 12 hits or more is pretty much the only way to quickly and reliably drop a hostile, armed man. “Shoot the hell out of him until he drops” is the responsible, scientifically-oriented approach.

    Handgun wounding factors and effectiveness

    But you have given me an idea; we should withhold the billions in aid we give the Israelis every year, until they downgrade all of their internal soldiers and police to revolvers. After all, it’s not like they need the extra firepower – all they’re fighting is kids with rocks and knives. On second thought, do they even need revolvers?

    I wasn’t familiar with it, only with the 1997 North Hollywood battle royale in my neck of the woods.

    There was also a famous Cali shootout between (IIRC) two revolver-toting CHPs and two hard cases loaded for bear, after a traffic stop. I think it was in the 70s. Basically the cops died because they were outgunned and could’ve been better trained (if you’re in a desperate shootout armed with a revolver and no speed-loaders, sticking with partial reloads can save your life, but cops at the time trained to fully reload).

    Here it is:

    Newhall massacre

    So, first two cops got ambushed and killed, second two cops got into a shootout and were killed.

    Revolvers are poor self-defense/duty weapons. They’re antiquated, and they’re actually a lot more expensive than modern semi-autos.

    My gut feel, in talking to East Asians, it that that has it backward. The ethno-centrism is reactionary in nature and results from such reflexive white ethno-centrism as they happen to encounter in their daily lives. And there is some measure of that.

    LOLwut?

    White women still don’t get that their power flows from the generosity/coercion of White men. As we disappear (largely by the hand of White women and all their abortions and birth control), the rules are going to change. Kinda wish I could have another 50-year go-around to see it all come to pass.

    But Jewish oligarchs, Zionists, and neocons are our best friends, of course (what is it with Zionist cucks and the “throw the white wymminz under the bus” thing?).

    Why are you people so fond of lionizing East Asians here and putting them on a pedestal? Is it because so many of you have Asian girlfriends/wives/bargirls? Or have Eurasian children?

    TKAGO (They Know a Good One). Non-white, that is.

    Had this guy been White, he probably wouldn’t have been prosecuted in the first place.

    I hope People of Color come together to fight injustice

    Yellows are blacks’ only hope? Well, that, and breeding up. Your posts are interesting, in that I always know it’s you, and that the various troll-handles eventually become pointless. You don’t care about non-whites, you just hate whites. That’s your motive.

    You are talking out your ass. Chinese, Koreans, and Indians arrive to the United States with disdain for native-born Americans. And they continue to harbor and cultivate that disdain here. Within such groups, there is pressure on children to marry within their tribes.

    Of course you scapegoat Whites as responsible for Asian prejudice and bigotry. Usual anti-White narrative.

    Proof: the xenophobic, racist, closed-borders states of Japan and China.

    The Asians who routinely chastize their home countries for their xenophobic, racist, non-reciprocating immigration policies are our friends; i.e., none of them.

    Steve, would’t you agree that Miami and North Hollywood were the stuff of the movie “Heat”, once or twice in a generation and never like those since? In response, we massively over-armed UNIFORMED cops. Now, with better communications and radios and databases, uniform cops know in advance what they’re dealing with and if heavier weaponry than revolvers is called for, they can do that. Call for it.

    Agreed; we should withhold aid to Israel until they make these changes. If they encounter something worse than rock- or knife-wielding Palestinians, the truncheon-wielding Israeli forces can withdraw and call in the revolver-wielding Israeli SWAT.

    No, there hasn’t. Yet, we arm our police as if the possibilities are endless. The risk to our persons and freedoms are the police in the end. They treat every approach of a citizen as a “scenario” with a threat matrix complete with disdain for, disrespect displayed, fear of and aggression exercised toward every citizen. Even in the most mundane encounters. Such as their MAIN encounter with any citizen they can roust for anything at all, the traffic stop, made in the course of their MAIN duty, ticket-revenue collectors for the State and Insurance Company Lobbies.

    Try being a Palestinian some time (Jim “Christian” is a big time Zionist. His gung-ho pro-Israeli positions are shaping up as quite the contrast to his outlook on domestic USA. Color me shocked.).

    Yes. We need to arm them to the nuts for THAT encounter. Sorry. The image of Virginia State Police, hiding behind their police cars at Virginia Tech while the little Korean boy with one handgun murdered 30 people because the cops wouldn’t go get him. They were AFRAID to go get him. Their pathetic “excuse”? Asian boy chained the doors at one end of the building closed. As if they couldn’t drive a car through the doors. When a local cop finally gathered the stones to go in, the kid blew his own brains out. Virginia State Police. The cowardice goes in before the name goes on.

    I’m sure they would have been much more eager to run in and shoot it out if they were all armed with revolvers. 1/3 the ammo and triple the reload time inspires a lot of confidence.

    If only we could get the IDF on the case, amirite? Active rock-throwers beware!

    Greg Morrison made similar arguments in favor of the revolver as the weapon of choice, especially for inexperienced police officers. He favored a five or six shot .44 Special.

    Making cops start their careers with one weapon, then switch when they become more experienced; seems like a great way to make sure they’re less familiar and competent with whatever weapon they’re using.

    I personally always favored the 1911 .45

    That explains a lot. Amazing how many fans there are of this obsolete antique collector’s item. Signals that thinking on guns has ossified.

    And handgun calibers don’t make that much difference per bullet. 9mm seems the most effective round, in part because you can put more of them into a magazine.

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  • If I ever get in a gunfight I hope my adversary has your attitude.

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  • The police shooting case is certain to command extra scrutiny after a Staten Island grand jury Wednesday declined to indict NYPD Officer Daniel Pantaleo for the chokehold death of Eric Garner.

    There was no “chokehold death,” whatever that is. That narrative collapsed almost instantly and remains collapsed today. It’s settled science: Eric Garner was not choked to death, or even choked at all. But I’m going to read about the “chokehold death of Eric Garner” for the rest of my life.

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  • Cops can shoot whites without fear of serious consequences. Blacks kick up hell whenever one of theirs is shot, even though it’s usually a case of justifiable homicide. Most people couldn’t even name any of the thousands of unarmed whites wh0 have been killed by police.

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  • If you are killed with no “encounter” what else, other than manslaughter could it be?

    The firing of a lethal weapon precludes accidental deat.

    Well, it sounds like a crime to me, probably involuntary manslaughter under the common law. I don’t know what New York’s criminal statutes say, though, so I don’t know whether manslaughter is the right characterization.

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  • http://whitepeoplesaidwhat.tumblr.com/post/139147740424/interesting-how-an-officer-of-color-is-convicted

    Stupid, blind, and offensive ethnocentrism. The way killer cops skate is to argue (often dubiously) that the dead guy threatened them; it was me or him. Liang can’t make that argument, and the case is therefore in an entirely different category from the others.

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  • Besides, if Asian have the academic chops, and are culturally assimilated, as they strive to be and usually are within one generation, and not ghettoized, as indeed they are not, what do we care?

    They’re not us, and they’re using resources that we produced and assembled for our own use.

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  • I have seen little to nothing that suggests it matters given the USA’s anachronistic presidential electoral college system.

    The problem with the electoral-college system is that it hasn’t been updated to keep pace with population growth. We should have multiple levels of electors by now (with specific numbers dependent on each state’s population). That would be much more democratic.

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  • Jus’ Sayin’…
    says:

    February 22, 2016 at 9:21 am GMT • 300 Words

    This.

    Interestingly, in South Africa, where I am currently typing from, Asians – consisting of mainly of Indians and what we call ‘coloureds’ – not a pejorative in SA

    Is “colored” a pejorative in the USA? Seems more like an unequally-enforced taboo. Tomato tomato I guess.

    What people will pay for houses tells what they really think. Chinese are not poor Italians just arrived in steerage, living where they must. Chinese buy houses exactly where they want to. Just as Whites pay extra to live apart from Blacks and Mexicans, Orientals pay more to live apart from Whites. We are their Beaners.

    Funny how yellow countries repel them and white countries attract them.

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  • This is strong evidence that Asian immigration is very dangerous for Whites. Asians vote pro-”immigration” as if they were the beachhead in a conquest of White homelands.

    Indeed.

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