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As I noted last August, it’s not exactly a secret that the Israeli government recruits college students to write online comments. Nor is it a secret that there are other ways to make money promoting Israel. For example, the Israeli broadsheet Haaretz reported:

Prime Minister’s Office recruiting students to wage online hasbara battles

PMO and national student union to create covert units at universities to engage in diplomacy via social media; unit heads to receive full scholarships.

Here for example is a Hasbara Fellowships homepage for American students wanting to become Social Media Jewish Warriors.

But gentiles aren’t really supposed to mention the word hasbara. Jim Clancy, a three decade-long on-air talking head at CNN, got into a Twitter dispute over Charlie Hebdo with people he accused of being hasbara. And now, pour encourager les autres, he’s gone.

From the Jerusalem Post:

CNN’s Jim Clancy resigns after controversial Israel tweets

Debate over the nature of Charlie Hebdo cartoons gets anchor in hot water.

Veteran CNN anchor Jim Clancy stepped down on Friday, one week after a series of Twitter posts in which he mocked pro-Israel tweeters on a thread discussing the Charlie Hebdo massacre.

Neither CNN nor Jim Clancy gave a reason for his departure, which was reported by AdWeek. Clancy had worked at CNN for 34 years. …

Challenged on the accuracy of the statement by Oren Kessler, a deputy director of research at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, Clancy tweeted, “Hasbara?,” a Hebrew term used to describe public relations efforts by the Israeli government. …

The Jerusalem Post doesn’t mention that Kessler was formerly the Jerusalem Post’s Arab affairs correspondent when he lived in Tel Aviv. Kessler’s current employer, the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, is a neocon think tank. Its biggest donor in 2001-2004 was the late subprime mortgage king Roland Arnall, inventor of the “stated income loan” that did the American economy so much good.

Clancy later told the Twitter account for Human Rights News, “You and the Hasbara team need to pick on some cripple at the edge of the herd.”

Clancy quickly found out who was on the edge of the herd:

Jay Ruderman, head of the Ruderman Family Foundation, which is dedicated to advocacy and inclusion for the disabled, demanded an apology from Clancy and CNN. Ruderman said the use of the term “cripple” was insensitive.

Clancy might want to refer to former CNN anchor Rick Sanchez’s Wikipedia page on how to get some kind of career back. The long road back to paying employment in the media seems to start with Shmuley Boteach and go through Abe Foxman.

And, cheer up, it only took Gregg Easterbrook 2.5 years to get his ESPN football column back.

Clancy is not only now out of a job, but his biography has been deleted from the CNN site:

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  1. Anon says: • Disclaimer

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  2. “Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with surprising effectiveness.” – George Orwell

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  3. wren says:

    I do hope you have good computer passwords and security.

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  4. Ed says:

    What I do find interesting is what 34 years working at the same company actually gets you.

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    "What I do find interesting is what 34 years working at the same company actually gets you."

    The business of his company is propaganda. Clancy said something damaging to his employers' message. From the perspective of his bosses he's like a firefighter who started a fire or a spy who defected to the other side.
    , @Hipster
    It just means you have avoided pissing anyone off for 34 years.
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  5. Wally says: • Website

    More on Zionist propaganda, the question is why?

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-tech-site-paying-interns-covertly-plant-stories-social-media

    Israel tech site paying “interns” to covertly plant stories in social media

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-students-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook

    Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook

    Jewish Internet Defense Force

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Internet_Defense_Force

    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

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    • Replies: @Thought Police
    Scary Stuff indeed. But that's the beautiful thing about the internet; they can only engineer so much before good people like yourselves begin to notice. As Steve noted earlier this week, there is a law of diminishing returns to this kind of thing. The Streisand effect seems a most apt term for what is beginning to happen on the outer regions of the www.
    , @Honorary Thief

    More on Zionist propaganda, the question is why?
     
    Cause one day they might need it to fight off a Haven Monahan led pogrom.
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  6. Mr. Anon says:

    There is no disproportionate jewish influence in the media.

    And if you say there is………………………..we will smash you.

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  7. Gilbert P says:

    It’s just another blog libel.

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  8. Posting your opinions on Twitter is a pretty insane thing for anyone to do, unless they coincide 100% with the dominant paradigm (and even then, paradigms can shift). For a media celebrity to do it is even crazier.

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    • Replies: @grey enlightenment
    It would seem like common sense: if you depend on a paychecks for a living , stay away from twitter . Too many careers ruined over it.
    , @SFG
    I agree for shlubs like us, but for a lot of these media personalities you have to maintain a brand and look up-to-the-minute, and people expect you to be constantly promoting yourself, including via Twitter.

    If you're not in marketing, advertising, pop music, or something similar...stay AWAY.


    As for the Hasbara...well, they have a lot of supporters in the media anyway, both Jewish and Christian Zionist, so it can be hard to tell where explicit efforts from the Israeli government end and the work of sympathizers begins. Was his firing directly ordered by the Israeli government? I doubt it, it's more of a certain climate that some views can't be tolerated.
    , @Sunbeam
    I don't think there is anything real about twitter, facebook, any of it when it comes to celebrities.

    Well unless they are high.

    I think that they have a marketing team of sorts that makes up their twitter posts and what they put on facebook. At least that's what I would do if I were a celebrity and my bottom line was catapulting my own propaganda. Plus then I wouldn't have to deal with twitter if I were going to use it as a marketing tool.

    Most of these celebrity controversies are manufactured by the celebrities themselves. They have a pretty good idea of what kind of meat they need to throw to the dogs.

    Like a few years ago. There was a spate of young female celebrities forgetting to wear their underwear at events with a lot of photographers, and they were conveniently wearing short skirts.

    Kind of got stale. I bet it comes back in a few years though, some agent will address his client and say, "Hey this is what we need to do..."
    , @Wilkey
    "Posting your opinions on Twitter is a pretty insane thing for anyone to do, unless they coincide 100% with the dominant paradigm."

    Which is in no small part why our beliefs never become the dominant paradigm. The war ain't over there, it's over here, and we need soldiers.
    , @anon
    "Posting your opinions on Twitter is a pretty insane thing for anyone to do, unless they coincide 100% with the dominant paradigm (and even then, paradigms can shift). For a media celebrity to do it is even crazier."

    That's what I don't get. The guy has been in media for 34 years, he knows which way the PC winds blow.

    Even if he is drunk.

    Do the Sanchez's, Olsons, Thomases, Gibsons, Clancy's, just hit some point that they can't take it anymore and blurt out their true feelings? But how could they keep it so under wraps for so many years?

    BTW, these summary KGB bullets to the back of the neck for the slightest trifle can't be very good press for our insect overlords, but I suppose they've decided this is better than the alternative. Or maybe they are so drunk with power and arrogance they believe that nobody is noticing the heavy hand being applied very unevenly.

    For instance, what could one every say about Christianity that would cause one to lose their job as fast as Clancy? Seems like it would have to be a lot more provocative/blatant.

    Interesting thing is apparently some have been gunning for him for a long time, reading comments elsewhere, things like, "we all knew for years that Clancy was an antisemite, etc, finally nailed the guy" or things along those lines.
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  9. Jefferson says:

    I just finished watching “A Most Violent Year”. Interesting that they cast a South Asian Indian actor to play a Hispanic.

    Latin America, the Middle East, North Africa, and South Asia are all regions full of racially ambiguous Brown people who are a racial middle ground between Europeans and Sub Saharan Africans.

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  10. Bert says:

    I wouldn’t call Mr. Clancy a celebrity. I feel bad for that guy though. An entire career down the drain.

    I do find it extremely fascinating how supposed pro-Israel voices never seem to pass up an opportunity to attack supposed European bigotry from a pro-Muslim slant. Even though they are ALWAYS on the other side when Israel is involved. It goes to show how little being a friend of Israel is actually worth.

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  11. Gbloco says:

    Time to give him a column on unz…..

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  12. QB says:

    He was “Sanchez’d”. This happen often now, especially when dealing with SJWs.

    This HAS GOT to be tied to the “free speech” narrative.

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    He got Dirty Sanchez'd.
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  13. 5371 says:

    It’s much easier to avoid drawing pictures of Muhammad (570-632) than it is to avoid saying anything that this lot object to.

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  14. Handle says:

    Added to my list. #221.

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    • Replies: @QB
    That is a valuable resource. Thank you for maintaining and updating it.
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  15. […] 34-year CNN Anchor Jim Clancy purged (and memory-holed), not for trying to spin the ‘real meaning’ of the Charlie Hebdo cartoons in an implausibly nutty way, but for accusing the folks that pushed back of working for Israeli public relations.  Wrong target Jim.  (HT: Sailer) […]

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  16. @Simon in London
    Posting your opinions on Twitter is a pretty insane thing for anyone to do, unless they coincide 100% with the dominant paradigm (and even then, paradigms can shift). For a media celebrity to do it is even crazier.

    It would seem like common sense: if you depend on a paychecks for a living , stay away from twitter . Too many careers ruined over it.

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  17. brilliant column.

    A scary peek into truth.

    And I am not anti-jew. I admire them. They got it going on.

    That is a true nation, a true people and a true community. Would that I lived in such.

    But this incident is yet another example of how political correctness and special interests control the flow of information. And it is that flow of information that molds and shapes our culture, that helps mold and shape young, impressionable minds.

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    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    +1

    I've got a lot of problems with the Jewish community, but it's certainly not out of being anti-Jewish. It's just that my people seem to be their number one target, and they're beating the living s$%# out of us.

    That being said, god do I respect them. They're a people, a family. And like all families, they squabble endlessly amongst themselves and don't agree on everything. But, in the end, they know that they're a family and must stick together.

    It's difficult to even imagine such a thing among whites. If a Jewish media figure or academic got fired pointing out that his Muslim or WASP or Asian-dominated employer was duplicitous, the gates of Hell would open up on that employer. First, the Jewish guy would immediately get a job at some Jewish-owned business. He would be protected financially and socially. His own world wouldn't change a bit.

    Second, lawsuits would rain down on his former employer from every possible direction. Jewish groups of every sort would mobilize to hammer that employer from every other angle - financial, business, political, etc - as well. Oh, and if you think that they would stop at just going after the firm, you're naive. Jewish groups would go after the man personally responsible for the firing of one of their own and try to ruin him personally.

    Basically, it would be a scorched earth policy against the firm and the person who did the firing. Twenty years from now, you'd still be hearing about how Jewish groups or businesses were finding new ways to hammer that firm and that guy who fired one of their own.

    Now, compare that to when a white person gets fired for pointing things out. Not only do whites not come to his defense, they pile on. (Where's James Watson these days, anyway?)

    It's embarrassing and, frankly, weird. I just don't understand it. I fully understand the Jewish reaction. Granted, they're really good at what they do, so I'm not expecting whites to reach that level of competency, but couldn't we at least, you know, try.

    Is it too late to convert?
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  18. I apologize for anything I’ve ever said or wrote that some Jews might ever find offensive, and after visiting some Holocaust Memorial Museums I now know and sincerely believe that Jews are and have always been powerless victims everywhere.

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    Good on you. We've been waiting. Nice to have you on our side, back in action. Now get on that plane, Laszlo's waiting. As for me, I'm going to have a nice cold
    Manishewitz, alone.
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  19. Svigor says:

    What’s your problem, Steve? This guy clearly ran afoul of the Cripple Mafia and paid the price. Move along, there’s nothing to see here…

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    I get that you are being sarcastic, but how about some evidence that that isn't the case. I mean the NYT and Slate have run articles on Hasbara. It's hardly something that shall not be mentioned. I don't even see what is particularly objectionable about it other than resentment I guess that the American government is a forth as committed to defending itself online. It's quite clear for instance that Mel Gibson suffered far more for his anti-semtic comments as opposed to the DUI arrest that prompted them. In this case it's far from clear that he didn't get fired for being a shi##y person.
    , @ben tillman

    What’s your problem, Steve? This guy clearly ran afoul of the Cripple Mafia and paid the price. Move along, there’s nothing to see here…
     
    Funny, isn't it, that the cripple mafia, the lavender mafia, and the Israeli mafia all have the same names?
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  20. Robinson says:

    “Cripple” in this case was used in a metaphor depicting a weak individual among a herd – of animals! Ruderman is concerned about stomping on the sensibilities of another species. Would it have been safe to use the term if the comparison were framed in the form of a simile instead. Has the “C” word achieved “N” word status?

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  21. Are they also recruiting students to accuse any and all “pro-Russian” posters (most of whom simply think it would be a good idea for the US to stay out of the affairs of Russia & Ukraine) for being paid Putin propagandists? Read the comment section of any news story about Ukraine & Russia to see what I am talking about.

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    On the topic of pro-Russian commentators: I'm a moderator on a small Swedish forum. We've seen Russians commenting there(in Swedish) so obviously they are on bigger forums too. Obviously.

    And btw,
    they pretend to be Swedish

    , @Realist
    Hoppy you are so right.
    , @HA
    "Are they also recruiting students to accuse any and all “pro-Russian” posters (most of whom simply think it would be a good idea for the US to stay out of the affairs of Russia & Ukraine)..."

    Yeah, sure. Most of them think that... you know this because people who use catch-phrases like "Kiev junta", "Nuland Kaganate", who unabashedly defend Stalin w.r.t. the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact by claiming that anyone with the slightest understanding of the period" will agree with them, and who all of a sudden turn into SPLC-shriekers when the topic turns to right-wingers in Ukraine -- they must mostly be patriotic Americans concerned only with the good ol' Red, White & Blue. You keep on trying to sell that, Bubba.

    I will say this: if the internet trolls and useful idiots that Kerry and Nuland have unleashed on Russia are as obvious and unprofessional as the ones Putin sends here, I hope there are Russians who are likewise willing to call them out. Wherever you are, my like-minded Russian troll busters, to you I say, na zdrovya.

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  22. Clyde says:

    When Jews collide:
    More Jews in the news:

    Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg says violence and terrorism are DECREASING as he picks Pinker’s ‘The Better Angels’ for his book club
    Pinker’s ‘The Better Angels’ claims we are currently living in the most peaceful moment in our species’ existence
    In a controversial book Pinker shows that despite the ceaseless news about war, crime, and terrorism, violence has actually been in decline over long stretches of history
    Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg vowed to start a book club at the start of the year
    The billionaire’s first title for the new book club Moisés Naím’s 2013 book The End of Power sold 13,000 copies,

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2915108/Zuckerbergs-book-pick-Pinkers-The-Better-Angels.html#ixzz3PBInS2db

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  23. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    His biography has been deleted as if he never existed, sort of like commissars and others being airbrushed out of photos during the Soviet heyday. I notice that whenever something comes up, such as the recent Ukrainian situation, the internet gets saturated with the same phrases repeated constantly by commenters who pop up suddenly. They try to monopolize the spin and shout down people with opposing viewpoints. Also, in comment sections following news reports, if they still have those, the comments are screened and those that are favorable are let through giving the false impression of there being a vast consensus of opinion out there.
    Growing up during the cold war there was this constant, never-ending repetition about the commies this and the commies that. It appears that we’ve now become the commies.

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    • Replies: @QB
    Case in point... ever see this compilation of news anchor all regurgitating the same lines?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kip2w-DceV0
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  24. DJF says:

    How many people have to get fired and careers ruined before its learned that Jews are a meek, powerless and forgiving race?

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  25. Hunsdon says:

    Nacht und Nebel.

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  26. When Clancy said cripple it was obviously a reference to an animal herd where the predator will pick out the weakest member. How could that possibly be insensitive?

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  27. You learn something new every day over here at iSteve.

    “The Battle of Minorca (20 May 1756) was a naval battle between French and British fleets. It was the opening sea battle of the Seven Years’ War in the European theatre. Shortly after the war began British and French squadrons met off the Mediterranean island of Minorca. The French won the battle. The subsequent decision by the British to withdraw to Gibraltar handed France a strategic victory and led directly to the Fall of Minorca.

    “The British failure to save Minorca led to the controversial court-martial and execution of the British commander, Admiral John Byng, for “failure to do his utmost” to relieve the siege of the British garrison on Minorca. …”

    “The Admiralty, perhaps concerned to divert attention from its own lack of preparation for the disastrous venture, charged Byng for breaching the Articles of War by failing to do all he could to fulfill his orders and support the garrison. Byng was court-martialled, found guilty and sentenced to death. Byng was executed on 14 March 1757 aboard HMS Monarch in Portsmouth harbour.”

    “Byng’s execution is referred to in Voltaire’s novel Candide with the line Dans ce pays-ci, il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres – “In this country, it is wise to kill an admiral from time to time to encourage the others.”

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  28. Cwhatfuture [AKA "Steve (not Sailer)"] says:

    What was Clancy’s original post? This:

    The cartoons NEVER mocked the Prophet. They mocked how the COWARDS tried to distort his word. Pay attention.

    — Jim Clancy (@clancycnn) January 7, 2015

    Had the NYT run with this lead, you would have quite a bit to say about their journalistic standards.

    And then in response Kesler wrote – as you might have:

    Huh? What on Earth are you talking about?

    After a few more posts discussing Clancy’s error, it looks like he then became embarrassed by his mistake. And lashed out with the “Hasbara talk” to cover. That is what it looks like to me.

    As for Clancy getting fired, maybe because it was the network thought he was unhinged. He certainly reads that way.

    And again, free speech has nothing to do with this. Free speech is about government control of speech, not making an ass of yourself at work and getting fired.

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    Took sometime looking at Clancy affair.

    Tweeting is likely to be fatal to just about anyone attempting to debate a controversial topic. Hard to contextualize in 256 characters.

    Drunk Tweeting like Clancy may have been doing is suicidal.

    Clancy seemed to be making ridiculous nonsensical left-wing comments on the Charlie Hebdo affair and got taken down by a legion of NeoCons and Hasbara shock troops more than happy to slap any CNN reporter around.

    Nonetheless, Steve Sailer is right, how does anybody employed in the MSM even mention the reality of Hasbara???

    In all fairness the Saudis also spend lavishly so that Western academia will happily brainwash the youth on Islam being "The Third Great Western Religion".
    , @Matra
    free speech has nothing to do with this. Free speech is about government control of speech

    From a strictly legal standpoint that's true but if SJWs, the Israel Lobby or any other organised group can deprive you of your employment and make other prospective employers shun you then in practice you don't really have free speech. Besides, these days government and big business are often so intertwined I'm not sure the distinction matters all that much anymore.
    , @josh
    There are ways you can make and as out of yourself and ways you can't.

    You have a very naive understanding of what it means to be free.
    , @iSteveFan
    And again, free speech has nothing to do with this. Free speech is about government control of speech, not making an ass of yourself at work and getting fired.

    I'll just paraphrase Ann Coulter from a column she wrote about a similar incident in December 2013.


    Anyone who utters the mind-numbingly obvious point that CNN's firing of anchor Jim Clancy doesn't involve the First Amendment because a TV network is not the government, should be prohibited from ever talking in public again. You can bore your few remaining friends with laborious statements of the obvious, but stop wasting everyone else's time.

    We know CNN is not the government. It may shock your tiny little pea brains, but free speech existed even before we had a Constitution. Free speech is generally considered a desirable goal even apart from its inclusion in the nation's founding document.

    Suppose TV networks were capitulating to angry Muslims by suspending people for saying they opposed Sharia law? Would that prompt any of you pusillanimous hacks to finally take a position on the state of free speech in America?

    Or would you demand that we stop the presses so you could roll out your little cliche about a television network not being the government? That fact has very little relevance to someone whose life has just been ruined. Hey! Don't worry about it -- at least it wasn't the government!

    Instead of the government censoring speech, what we have is shock troops of liberal agitators demanding people's heads for the slightest divergence from Officially Approved Liberal Opinion.
     

    , @Anon
    "And again, free speech has nothing to do with this. Free speech is about government control of speech, not making an ass of yourself at work and getting fired."

    True.

    The problem is free speech has no value unless it becomes Power Speech.

    Suppose our legal system allows anyone to go into the woods and say anything. Okay, so what good will it do? Will birds and trees care?

    Speech gains meaning and power by being heard by other people. By altering the views of others.

    So, the real issue is Power Speech.

    When certain free speech isn't allowed to become Power Speech, it's useless.

    It's like allowing people to own seeds but not letting them plant. What good are seeds that aren't planted in the soil?

    Free speech is allowed in the US, but much of free speech isn't allowed to become Power Speech due to controls in the government, economic, and cultural systems.
    As certain taboos are upheld by the powerful institutions, anyone who dares challenges the taboo are economically, politically, and otherwise destroyed. They still have free speech, but as the are shut out from halls of influence, their speech has no power. It's free but useless.

    Both George Soros and a homeless person have same free speech rights. But one has helluva lot more Power Speech than the other.
    The likes of Sheldon Adelson can say outrageous stuff and still be allowed to play kingmaker in politics, but Clancy gets fired over some nonsense on twitter?

    In some ways, the great thing about capitalism is it makes people who are different in views to get along and do business. So, in America and around the world, Christians, Jews, whites, yellows, browns, and etc all can do business for sake of profit.

    But the downside of capitalism is everything has been turned into a matter of profit. Therefore, if something hurts your profit, you are likely to sell your principles to keep the profit.
    Those with the Power Speech has the power to destroy your reputation. Those with only free speech but no power speech can be destroyed and have no way to fight back since the media, government, and etc are all on the side of those with control of Power Speech.

    Also, there is no clear boundary between government and big business in the US. Jews are rich and they favored homos. Rich Jews bought politicians who support 'gay marriage'. US government now have laws that won't hire anyone who's opposed to the homo agenda. US media may be privately owned but they play a big role in who gets elected. So, business affects government. It also affects public support for war.

    California has a law that bans anti-Zionist speech in government. Gee, I wonder if the legal system in California has something to do with the fact that so many politicians and judges have been bought and sold by rich Jews.

    So, our main issue can't only be free speech. We need to discuss Power Speech.
    Who controls Power Speech. What are the taboos used by Power Speech to suppress other forms of power speech, thus rendering them only into 'free speech' that, without power, is useless.
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  29. SFG says:
    @Simon in London
    Posting your opinions on Twitter is a pretty insane thing for anyone to do, unless they coincide 100% with the dominant paradigm (and even then, paradigms can shift). For a media celebrity to do it is even crazier.

    I agree for shlubs like us, but for a lot of these media personalities you have to maintain a brand and look up-to-the-minute, and people expect you to be constantly promoting yourself, including via Twitter.

    If you’re not in marketing, advertising, pop music, or something similar…stay AWAY.

    As for the Hasbara…well, they have a lot of supporters in the media anyway, both Jewish and Christian Zionist, so it can be hard to tell where explicit efforts from the Israeli government end and the work of sympathizers begins. Was his firing directly ordered by the Israeli government? I doubt it, it’s more of a certain climate that some views can’t be tolerated.

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    Care to name some of these Christian Zionists in the news media that don't work for Fox. Even at Fox you'd have a hard time identifying a lot of Christian Zionist beside maybe Hannity.
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  30. george says:

    RED ALERT … LENA DUNHAM … HOLOCAUST CONTOVERSEY … GIRLS REMAINING FANS WORRIED … END

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  31. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Arnett

    Arnett’s daughter is married to John Yoo!?
    What a strange world we inhabit.

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  32. Sunbeam says:
    @Simon in London
    Posting your opinions on Twitter is a pretty insane thing for anyone to do, unless they coincide 100% with the dominant paradigm (and even then, paradigms can shift). For a media celebrity to do it is even crazier.

    I don’t think there is anything real about twitter, facebook, any of it when it comes to celebrities.

    Well unless they are high.

    I think that they have a marketing team of sorts that makes up their twitter posts and what they put on facebook. At least that’s what I would do if I were a celebrity and my bottom line was catapulting my own propaganda. Plus then I wouldn’t have to deal with twitter if I were going to use it as a marketing tool.

    Most of these celebrity controversies are manufactured by the celebrities themselves. They have a pretty good idea of what kind of meat they need to throw to the dogs.

    Like a few years ago. There was a spate of young female celebrities forgetting to wear their underwear at events with a lot of photographers, and they were conveniently wearing short skirts.

    Kind of got stale. I bet it comes back in a few years though, some agent will address his client and say, “Hey this is what we need to do…”

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  33. […] association, embraced by all of the ruling class. The French prefer the government to play referee. Americans hand that job to corporations and academia. Complaints about the Pope’s formulation is haggling over […]

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  34. This frightens me.
    Much evidence of the Hasbara’s at work on the Wikipedia talk page on the topic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Public_diplomacy_(Israel)

    On a related note, I read somewhere a while back that some students of Women’s Studies are given grade bumps for feminizing Wikipedia.

    Thankyou Steve as always.

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  35. anon says: • Disclaimer

    I noticed that commenter HA always accuses neocons’ opponents here of being on Putin’s payroll. People tend to accuse others of what they do themselves. Figuring out other people’s motives is hard work, and boring too. Yet one’s own motives are always close to the surface, waiting to be picked up.

    HA, were you trying to tell us something about yourself? I can’t imagine it pays very well though.

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    The Putin's payroll gibes are entirely fair play turnabout for the tendency of the counter-AIPAC brigades to cry "Hasbara" the second anyone here objects to excessively over the top Jew-blaming.

    Both Israel and Putin's Russia are well known for using devoted and compensated posters to promote their interest. You can't only criticize Israel for this and then get upset when someone turns the tables. A good solution might be for paleocons to stop being so devoted to and defensive about a foreign country with nuclear weapons pointed at the USA like Russia but that is as likely as Poedhoertz turning on Israel.
    , @HA
    I noticed that commenter HA always accuses neocons’ opponents here of being on Putin’s payroll.

    That's all you happened to notice? You didn't notice any of the incessant Kiev-junta-Kiev-junta-Kiev-junta-Nuland-Kaganite chatter that keeps popping up on these threads apropos of nothing, and well in advance of anything I might have to say? That somehow escaped your attention? Why is that, do you think?

    In any case, you are, yet again, incorrect. I accuse those who keep insisting we stay abreast of RT propaganda of being either on Putin's payroll, or else, of being one of his useful idiots. If you're not one, you may well consider yourself as being among the other.

    In terms of what's messed this country up over the last century, a good chunk of it was fomented, supported, or otherwise guided by Moscow. So if some neo-Soviet ex-KGB thug with a new-found fear that the West is his Emmanuel Goldstein wants to fool a bunch of paleo-cons with short-term-memory issues into thinking his propaganda goons are good guys this time around, because they're against gays or Jews or whatever, I'm not falling for it. And if you're willing to be fooled, I'm calling you on it. To the extent that useful idiots of the Hasbara-spinners or Neocons have put this country at risk, they're not the only ones, and I'm not going to forget that.

    OK, wait for it.... if everything goes according to schedule, this is right about the time that some of the water-carrier-alert people show up and accuse me of trying to hijack another thread with Putin issues.

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  36. @Wally
    More on Zionist propaganda, the question is why?

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-tech-site-paying-interns-covertly-plant-stories-social-media
    Israel tech site paying “interns” to covertly plant stories in social media


    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-students-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook
    Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook

    Jewish Internet Defense Force
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Internet_Defense_Force

    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    Scary Stuff indeed. But that’s the beautiful thing about the internet; they can only engineer so much before good people like yourselves begin to notice. As Steve noted earlier this week, there is a law of diminishing returns to this kind of thing. The Streisand effect seems a most apt term for what is beginning to happen on the outer regions of the www.

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  37. Wilkey says:

    CNN? That’s like some station on the AM dial, I think?

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  38. Wilkey says:

    How old is Clancy? Is he old enough and/or rich enough not to care about the rest of his career?

    What really peeves me (as I write this under a pseudonym) is that the guys who do this far too often prostrate themselves before the CPC (Church of Political Correctness) altar. It’s time for them (and us, I confess) to grow a pair and double down on our beliefs. I’ll make that my new year’s resolution.

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    An example:

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/genuine-or-not-duck-dynasty-dust-up-spells-hope-for-regular-america

    One occasionally must admit though, that many of the beliefs of political correctness have popular support. Arab Muslim conspiracy theories, really are unpopular in the United States.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/161387/americans-sympathies-israel-match-time-high.aspx

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/161159/americans-least-favorable-toward-iran.aspx?utm_source=position4&utm_medium=related&utm_campaign=tiles

    Complaining about the biases of the media is one thing, but denying moral agency is another.
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  39. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Ed
    What I do find interesting is what 34 years working at the same company actually gets you.

    “What I do find interesting is what 34 years working at the same company actually gets you.”

    The business of his company is propaganda. Clancy said something damaging to his employers’ message. From the perspective of his bosses he’s like a firefighter who started a fire or a spy who defected to the other side.

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  40. Wilkey says:
    @Simon in London
    Posting your opinions on Twitter is a pretty insane thing for anyone to do, unless they coincide 100% with the dominant paradigm (and even then, paradigms can shift). For a media celebrity to do it is even crazier.

    “Posting your opinions on Twitter is a pretty insane thing for anyone to do, unless they coincide 100% with the dominant paradigm.”

    Which is in no small part why our beliefs never become the dominant paradigm. The war ain’t over there, it’s over here, and we need soldiers.

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    Posting on twitter won't help, it just attracts predators. I don't find Facebook much better.

    I've argued for my views - eg against non-European immigration - in academic staff seminars, with real people, where it might make some difference. There I can phrase my argument carefully for the audience. Writing well-researched opinion pieces can also be effective; Sailer has certainly (usually indirectly) influenced the debate on many issues.
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  41. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Simon in London
    Posting your opinions on Twitter is a pretty insane thing for anyone to do, unless they coincide 100% with the dominant paradigm (and even then, paradigms can shift). For a media celebrity to do it is even crazier.

    “Posting your opinions on Twitter is a pretty insane thing for anyone to do, unless they coincide 100% with the dominant paradigm (and even then, paradigms can shift). For a media celebrity to do it is even crazier.”

    That’s what I don’t get. The guy has been in media for 34 years, he knows which way the PC winds blow.

    Even if he is drunk.

    Do the Sanchez’s, Olsons, Thomases, Gibsons, Clancy’s, just hit some point that they can’t take it anymore and blurt out their true feelings? But how could they keep it so under wraps for so many years?

    BTW, these summary KGB bullets to the back of the neck for the slightest trifle can’t be very good press for our insect overlords, but I suppose they’ve decided this is better than the alternative. Or maybe they are so drunk with power and arrogance they believe that nobody is noticing the heavy hand being applied very unevenly.

    For instance, what could one every say about Christianity that would cause one to lose their job as fast as Clancy? Seems like it would have to be a lot more provocative/blatant.

    Interesting thing is apparently some have been gunning for him for a long time, reading comments elsewhere, things like, “we all knew for years that Clancy was an antisemite, etc, finally nailed the guy” or things along those lines.

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    "Do the Sanchez’s, Olsons, Thomases, Gibsons, Clancy’s, just hit some point that they can’t take it anymore and blurt out their true feelings? But how could they keep it so under wraps for so many years?"

    As to how they keep it under wraps? Fear of being fired/blackballed is a good way to keep people in line. But sometimes they get a conscience attack and start speaking the truth anyway.

    Sometimes they just cross into forbidden territory like Lou Dobbs and get fired. His mistake was to speak out on illegal immigration and expose all groups and politicos pushing it. Free trade is another forbidden topic as well.

    The take away is that there are taboo subjects that no commentator can bring up without destroying their career. There are groups who do not wish these subjects to become part of public awareness for various reasons.
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  42. “Clancy is not only now out of a job, but his biography has been deleted from the CNN site…”

    Down the memory hole. It never happened. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

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  45. I hate reading about things like this. American Jews are paranoid. They need to learn how to take some flak without going to DEFCON 3. Brutal suppression of the Svigors of the world only leads to more Svigors. Although, I do believe that “some cripple” was probably involved in the decision to fire him. That does make him look bad.

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    I hate reading about things like this. American Jews are paranoid. They need to learn how to take some flak without going to DEFCON 3.

    The people who refuse to take flak - Jews, blacks, Muslims, gays - are the people growing more powerful, not less. To brook criticism is to weaken yourself. They understand that, we don't. The next time someone "microaggresses" you - some black guy vaguely alludes to slavery, or some Jewish guy refers to the Holocaust as if America were responsible, accept the flak - go postal.
    , @SFG
    Yeah, pretty much. I think the whole 'never again' thing gets blown into 'we must completely suppress anyone who starts to criticize us'.

    I just wish people would quit denying the Holocaust. I mean, doesn't it explain pretty well the paranoid behavior you're seeing here?
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  46. Hipster says:
    @Ed
    What I do find interesting is what 34 years working at the same company actually gets you.

    It just means you have avoided pissing anyone off for 34 years.

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  47. Marty says: • Website

    You didn’t bother to tell us what Clancy and Kessler disagreed about.

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  48. I concur with Simon-in-London.

    Twitter: An internet service provided so that morons may write mercifully brief inanities to one another; from the British slang, twit, a stupid, useless and/or annoying person.

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  49. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    If Jews control the media how come everyone who works there hates them?

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    "If Jews control the media how come everyone who works there hates them?"

    Everyone always loves the boss, no?
    , @Anon
    "If Jews control the media how come everyone who works there hates them?"

    slaves hate masters.
    , @iSteveFan

    If Jews control the media how come everyone who works there hates them?
     
    Because the owners are "the man". And everyone hates "the man".
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  50. After ESPN.com dropped Gregg Easterbrook’s Tuesday Morning Quarterback, it appeared on footballoutsiders.com for a while and then moved to NFL.com for two years. I didn’t notice any change in its content (or length!). Since he went back to ESPN.com after that, I suspect they paid better.

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  51. Martin says:

    Steve, this is off topic but you’ll find this interesting if you haven’t seen these articles before.

    Did you know the US government has an official strategy with regards to arab & african immigrant populations in France?

    First here’s the latest, Obama says Europe needs to do more to assimilate muslim immigrants:

    Obama: Europe should better integrate Muslims

    http://www.straitstimes.com/news/world/united-states/story/europe-needs-better-integrate-muslim-communities-obama-20150117

    “US President Barack Obama on Friday urged European governments to try to better assimilate their Muslim minority populations as they respond to extremist attacks like last week’s shootings in Paris.”

    and this was 4 years ago:

    Feeling Slighted by France, and Respected by U.S.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/23/world/europe/23france.html?_r=0

    “With an annual public affairs budget of about $3 million, the Paris embassy has sponsored urban renewal projects, music festivals and conferences. Since Mr. Obama’s election, the Americans have helped organize seminars for minority politicians, coaching them in electoral strategy, fund-raising and communications.”

    “Mr. Rivkin, 48, an entertainment executive and the youngest American ambassador to France in nearly 60 years, has taken a strong personal interest in the banlieues. Earlier this year, he thrilled a group of students in Bondy when he arrived with the actor Samuel L. Jackson, one of several entertainment industry contacts he has called upon in France. In Los Angeles, Mr. Rivkin cultivated ties between the family media and hip-hop worlds; in Paris, he has hosted local rappers at the Hôtel Rothschild, his official residence.

    Officials insist the outreach is not meant solely to curry favor for the United States; the Americans also see an emerging group of political and business elites in these neighborhoods. The embassy is “trying to connect with the next generation of leaders in France,” Mr. Rivkin said. “That includes the banlieues.” “

    but from what I can see the US embassy seem to focus on black immigrants in Paris not arab immigrants, probably because they’re a lost cause to begin with and also because they don’t have arab-american movie stars they can invite to Paris.

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  52. anon says: • Disclaimer

    “Do the Sanchez’s, Olsons, Thomases, Gibsons, Clancy’s, just hit some point that they can’t take it anymore and blurt out their true feelings? But how could they keep it so under wraps for so many years?”

    Everyone starts out with conventional beliefs. I did. We all watched TV and read the papers. It takes people many years to develop some skepticism about what they’re being told.

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    This can’t be right. I am constantly told that people like you only believe what you do because you are ignorant, closed-minded, and bigoted. Bigoted, according to my dictionary, means: “having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others.” Now you’re trying to suggest to me that you listened to the beliefs of others, became more informed, considered alternative opinions, and came to believe those alternative opinions were superior to your original opinions?
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  53. Martin says:

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    U.S. Embassy in France makes outreach to minority communities a top priority

    http://www.pri.org/stories/2013-01-11/us-embassy-france-makes-outreach-minority-communities-top-priority

    But not everyone is happy with what the U.S. government has been up to in the banlieues. Among the critics is Nicolas Dupont-Aignan, a center-right member of Parliament.

    “How will the U.S. government (answer) if the French government decided to go in some suburbs of the United States to say to the people, ‘You are not very well treated by your government, and we are going to help you. You are going to travel in France, be agent for us.’ It is not acceptable. It is not possible,” Dupont-Aignan said.

    this is one the Wikileaks documents mentioned in the above article:

    https://www.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/01/10PARIS58.html

    SUBJECT: EMBASSY PARIS – MINORITY ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY

    Our aim is to engage the French population at all levels in order to amplify France’s efforts to realize its own egalitarian ideals, thereby advancing U.S. national interests.
    (…)
    We believe that if France, over the long run, does not successfully increase opportunity and provide genuine political representation for its minority populations, France could become a weaker, more divided country, perhaps more crisis-prone and inward-looking, and consequently a less capable ally.

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  54. Superman says:

    The profile of Ruderman that Steve quoted doesn’t quite tell the full story. Here is his profile:

    Jay Ruderman is the President of the Ruderman Family Foundation, which focuses on the inclusion of people with disabilities in Israel and the Jewish community worldwide and educating Israeli leaders on the American Jewish community. He also serves on the Board of Directors of the Jewish Funders Network and is a member of the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee Executive Committee.

    http://www.rudermanfoundation.org/about-us/staff/jay-ruderman

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  55. Hacienda says:
    @reiner Tor
    I apologize for anything I've ever said or wrote that some Jews might ever find offensive, and after visiting some Holocaust Memorial Museums I now know and sincerely believe that Jews are and have always been powerless victims everywhere.

    Good on you. We’ve been waiting. Nice to have you on our side, back in action. Now get on that plane, Laszlo’s waiting. As for me, I’m going to have a nice cold
    Manishewitz, alone.

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  56. Martin says:

    speaking of Samuel Jackson I like him as an actor but here he is working for George Soros’ son organization:

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/samuel-l-jackson-shouts-at-voters-in-soros-funded-ad-wake-the-fk-up/

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  57. Jack D says:

    Clancy’s tweets are bizarre:

    http://tktk.gawker.com/cnn-s-jim-clancy-resigns-after-twitter-rant-about-israe-1680003120/+trotter

    My guess is that this was a Mel Gibson type thing and he was drunk. Alcohol lowers inhibitions so if you are a closeted anti-Semite/Arabist this is what you blurt out. Clancy’s hasbara comments seem to be non-sequiturs otherwise – what does hasbara have to do with Charlie?

    Also, maybe I am thick as a brick, but I did not understand the point he was trying to make – that the cartoons never mocked the Prophet himself, only those who tried to distort his words. As future President Hillary said, what difference does that make?

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    People say nonsensical leftwing things all the time. What got Clancy in trouble initially was replying to the employee of the pro-Israel thinktank with the tweet "Hasbara?"
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  58. @Cwhatfuture
    What was Clancy's original post? This:

    The cartoons NEVER mocked the Prophet. They mocked how the COWARDS tried to distort his word. Pay attention.

    — Jim Clancy (@clancycnn) January 7, 2015
     

    Had the NYT run with this lead, you would have quite a bit to say about their journalistic standards.

    And then in response Kesler wrote - as you might have:


    Huh? What on Earth are you talking about?
     
    After a few more posts discussing Clancy's error, it looks like he then became embarrassed by his mistake. And lashed out with the "Hasbara talk" to cover. That is what it looks like to me.

    As for Clancy getting fired, maybe because it was the network thought he was unhinged. He certainly reads that way.

    And again, free speech has nothing to do with this. Free speech is about government control of speech, not making an ass of yourself at work and getting fired.

    Took sometime looking at Clancy affair.

    Tweeting is likely to be fatal to just about anyone attempting to debate a controversial topic. Hard to contextualize in 256 characters.

    Drunk Tweeting like Clancy may have been doing is suicidal.

    Clancy seemed to be making ridiculous nonsensical left-wing comments on the Charlie Hebdo affair and got taken down by a legion of NeoCons and Hasbara shock troops more than happy to slap any CNN reporter around.

    Nonetheless, Steve Sailer is right, how does anybody employed in the MSM even mention the reality of Hasbara???

    In all fairness the Saudis also spend lavishly so that Western academia will happily brainwash the youth on Islam being “The Third Great Western Religion”.

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  59. Wilkey says:
    @Jewish Conservative Race Realist
    I hate reading about things like this. American Jews are paranoid. They need to learn how to take some flak without going to DEFCON 3. Brutal suppression of the Svigors of the world only leads to more Svigors. Although, I do believe that "some cripple" was probably involved in the decision to fire him. That does make him look bad.

    I hate reading about things like this. American Jews are paranoid. They need to learn how to take some flak without going to DEFCON 3.

    The people who refuse to take flak – Jews, blacks, Muslims, gays – are the people growing more powerful, not less. To brook criticism is to weaken yourself. They understand that, we don’t. The next time someone “microaggresses” you – some black guy vaguely alludes to slavery, or some Jewish guy refers to the Holocaust as if America were responsible, accept the flak – go postal.

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  60. Wilkey says:

    “US President Barack Obama on Friday urged European governments to try to better assimilate their Muslim minority populations as they respond to extremist attacks like last week’s shootings in Paris.”

    And by “assimilation,” President Obummer means “give them shitwads of money.” Because expecting a minority to adapt white patterns of behavior is waycist.

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  61. Svigor says:

    How many people have to get fired and careers ruined before its learned that Jews are a meek, powerless and forgiving race?

    LOL.

    And again, free speech has nothing to do with this. Free speech is about government control of speech, not making an ass of yourself at work and getting fired.

    Free speech is as much a cultural value as a legal one. Some cultures value it, some don’t (and some pretend to when it serves their purposes).

    Interesting thing is apparently some have been gunning for him for a long time, reading comments elsewhere, things like, “we all knew for years that Clancy was an antisemite, etc, finally nailed the guy” or things along those lines.

    For some Jews, all heathens (“gentiles”) are “ANTI-SEMITES!!!” so when a heathen slips up, of course they knew it all along.

    I hate reading about things like this. American Jews are paranoid. They need to learn how to take some flak without going to DEFCON 3. Brutal suppression of the Svigors of the world only leads to more Svigors.

    I endorse this message. Brutal suppression of me should be avoided at all costs.

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  62. Yakov says:

    As his comments indicate he wasn’t fit for the job. How did he manage to last so long? I don’t see what’s wrong with paying students to do ‘hasbara’. Anti-Semitic press is paid and if not it solicits donations. Israel is at war and maybe it’s time to stop winning every time she scores a victory?

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  63. Fredrik says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    Are they also recruiting students to accuse any and all "pro-Russian" posters (most of whom simply think it would be a good idea for the US to stay out of the affairs of Russia & Ukraine) for being paid Putin propagandists? Read the comment section of any news story about Ukraine & Russia to see what I am talking about.

    On the topic of pro-Russian commentators: I’m a moderator on a small Swedish forum. We’ve seen Russians commenting there(in Swedish) so obviously they are on bigger forums too. Obviously.

    And btw,
    they pretend to be Swedish

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  64. anon says: • Disclaimer
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    If Jews control the media how come everyone who works there hates them?

    “If Jews control the media how come everyone who works there hates them?”

    Everyone always loves the boss, no?

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  65. SFG says:
    @Jewish Conservative Race Realist
    I hate reading about things like this. American Jews are paranoid. They need to learn how to take some flak without going to DEFCON 3. Brutal suppression of the Svigors of the world only leads to more Svigors. Although, I do believe that "some cripple" was probably involved in the decision to fire him. That does make him look bad.

    Yeah, pretty much. I think the whole ‘never again’ thing gets blown into ‘we must completely suppress anyone who starts to criticize us’.

    I just wish people would quit denying the Holocaust. I mean, doesn’t it explain pretty well the paranoid behavior you’re seeing here?

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    Yes. The Holocaust "never again" mentality is a major factor in Jewish American sensitivity to any criticism.
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  66. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    If Jews control the media how come everyone who works there hates them?

    “If Jews control the media how come everyone who works there hates them?”

    slaves hate masters.

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  67. gbloco says: • Website

    Was it any coincidence that the person who complain about the cripple comment was Jewish. Since when did Jews have a monopoly on cripples?

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  68. @Svigor
    What's your problem, Steve? This guy clearly ran afoul of the Cripple Mafia and paid the price. Move along, there's nothing to see here...

    I get that you are being sarcastic, but how about some evidence that that isn’t the case. I mean the NYT and Slate have run articles on Hasbara. It’s hardly something that shall not be mentioned. I don’t even see what is particularly objectionable about it other than resentment I guess that the American government is a forth as committed to defending itself online. It’s quite clear for instance that Mel Gibson suffered far more for his anti-semtic comments as opposed to the DUI arrest that prompted them. In this case it’s far from clear that he didn’t get fired for being a shi##y person.

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  69. Dahlia says:

    Ron Unz sure was prescient with regards to the silence of the MSM the other day.

    The Right alleges antisemitism, the Left at Democratic Underground and Gawker say he was crazy.
    Charlie Hebdo could get away with obscene hook-nosed caricatures of religious Jews, but when a writer hinted at the power and influence of Jews as an ethnic group, he was fired.

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  70. Priss Factor [AKA "Heather Monahan"] says:

    Hi, my name is Heather M.

    Recently, I worked as an intern at CNN. I thought everyone was so nice and kindly, and I became trusting of my bosses and co-workers who seemed so nice.
    One day, they asked me to bring coffee to a certain room. But when I entered, all the people in the room were in ninja suits and masks and soon turned off the light. I was so shocked I couldn’t let go of the hot pot of coffee. Soon, they were ripping my clothes off and I was spilling my hot coffee all over them. But they were in such a sexual frenzy that they proceeded to rape me while I spilled more hot coffee all over them.
    After 4, 5, 6, or maybe 12 hrs, they stopped raping me, and I began to feel ink being written all over me and this just went on and on.

    When I finally came to, I was lying naked in the room and when I stood up and looked in the mirror, I was horrified by what had been written all over my body.

    One read:

    “This skankass bitch is racist, fascist, scum bitch who reads stuff on Vdare.”

    Another (on my buttock) read:

    “This politically incorrect bitchass ho surely wrote comments at UNZ.COM.”

    Another (on my other buttock) read:

    “This is one terrible reactionary whore who, btw, thinks Dennis Dale is a cute scaredy cat.”

    I was so traumatized and I sought help and support among my colleagues at CNN, but no one offered any help because they were afraid of being shut of the annual Christmas Party.”

    Will someone help me? Please.

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    Thanks for the good laugh!
    , @Really
    How the heck did this vile nonsense make it past komment kontrol???
    , @North Carolina Resident
    We know your story is not true because you stated you were at a Christmas party. If you had said "holiday party", I would have believed you.

    At CNN, they have holiday parties, send holiday cards, and say happy holidays.
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  71. @anon
    I noticed that commenter HA always accuses neocons' opponents here of being on Putin's payroll. People tend to accuse others of what they do themselves. Figuring out other people's motives is hard work, and boring too. Yet one's own motives are always close to the surface, waiting to be picked up.

    HA, were you trying to tell us something about yourself? I can't imagine it pays very well though.

    The Putin’s payroll gibes are entirely fair play turnabout for the tendency of the counter-AIPAC brigades to cry “Hasbara” the second anyone here objects to excessively over the top Jew-blaming.

    Both Israel and Putin’s Russia are well known for using devoted and compensated posters to promote their interest. You can’t only criticize Israel for this and then get upset when someone turns the tables. A good solution might be for paleocons to stop being so devoted to and defensive about a foreign country with nuclear weapons pointed at the USA like Russia but that is as likely as Poedhoertz turning on Israel.

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    A good solution might be for paleocons to stop being so devoted to and defensive about a foreign country with nuclear weapons pointed at the USA like Russia but that is as likely as Poedhoertz turning on Israel.
     
    I don't know if you are ignorant, or just being obtuse. How can you not see the difference between neocons and their position on Israel and paleos on Russia is amazing. On one hand, neocons require that one supports POSITIVE American intervention concerning Israel, which includes the continuation of the direct $3 billion annual subsidy, guaranteed loans, guaranteed vetos of anti-Israeli resolutions at the UN, free access to our markets, access to our intel, and other things. If one does not support this, one is labeled an anti-semite and is treated as an enemy. See Patrick Buchanan.

    Contrast this to the so-called Russian supporters. What do they promote? Do they promote giving Russian billions of dollars per year? Do they support giving Russia a free trade arrangement? No, they really don't advocate anything POSITIVE for Russia other than to leave them alone. And the people they clash with are not people who refuse to help Russia, but people who advocate using American power to hurt Russia.

    Contrast that with the neocons where you either support Israel 100%, or you are anti-Israel.

    How anyone can equate these two positions is surprising.

    PS. As for me, I am not Russian, have never been to Russia, have never met a Russian, don't speak Russian, and up until the ending of the Cold War, routinely cheered whenever I saw Russians killed in combat or beaten in the Olympics. Even watching WW2 documentaries, I found myself rooting for the Germans on the Eastern Front. In fact had I expressed the same hatred towards Israelis that I did for Russians, I'd have been labeled an anti-semite and probably never been allowed to work at a reputable job. Of course, I received no blowback for my negative Russian beliefs.

    However, I no longer harbor such ethnic hatred of the Russians and actually wish them well and hope they can re-Christianize. As I've grown older and seen the damage that cultural marxism has done to my nation, I am a little more sympathetic to the nightmarish 20th century that they went through. This doesn't mean I want to send the money, or fight their battles. But it does mean I don't want to fight them while my nation has bigger fish to fry at home. For this view, I am routinely called a Putin apologist on many blogs.

    As for my views on Israel, I know Israelis, am familiar with their military exploits and economic prowess, and respect what they have done with that piece of real estate. In effect I look upon them almost like I do the other nations in the Anglosphere since they are so similar. However, I don't support continuing to give them money, and I don't wish to have the US hitch its foreign policy automatically to their positions without considering what is in the best interest of my nation. For this view I am routinely labeled an anti-semite on blogs.
    , @schmenz
    Russia is paying people to write pieces favorable to Russia? Great. Where can I sign up? I've been writing supportive comments about the interesting changes that have been happening in Russia lately for free when I could be earning some bucks.
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  72. @SFG
    I agree for shlubs like us, but for a lot of these media personalities you have to maintain a brand and look up-to-the-minute, and people expect you to be constantly promoting yourself, including via Twitter.

    If you're not in marketing, advertising, pop music, or something similar...stay AWAY.


    As for the Hasbara...well, they have a lot of supporters in the media anyway, both Jewish and Christian Zionist, so it can be hard to tell where explicit efforts from the Israeli government end and the work of sympathizers begins. Was his firing directly ordered by the Israeli government? I doubt it, it's more of a certain climate that some views can't be tolerated.

    Care to name some of these Christian Zionists in the news media that don’t work for Fox. Even at Fox you’d have a hard time identifying a lot of Christian Zionist beside maybe Hannity.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#Notable_proponents

    Huckabee recently FOX left to run another failed Presidential campaign.

    It's uncommon for one to self-identify as such, considering Dispensationalist theology. These days that gets you called an anti-Semite that supports Israel only to obtain the Rapture.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hagee-pro-israel-anti-semitic/
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  73. Realist says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    Are they also recruiting students to accuse any and all "pro-Russian" posters (most of whom simply think it would be a good idea for the US to stay out of the affairs of Russia & Ukraine) for being paid Putin propagandists? Read the comment section of any news story about Ukraine & Russia to see what I am talking about.

    Hoppy you are so right.

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  74. donut says:

    I’ve asked this question before :”why would a grown up even have a Face Book page?” And I can add to that the question why would a rational person who isn’t part of the celebrity/fan/moron grouping want a Twitter thingy ? Years ago a friend encouraged me to get on FB . I did and found no benefit to it and I was aware even at that time that things could go very wrong for someone who misbehaved on FB. I really never used it much, had abt five friends and after I got tired of several e-mails a day recommending people I either didn’t know or had no desire to know any more than I already did,I closed the damn thing out.Face Book by the way for any of you who have never tried to break up with it is very needy and kind of creepy about it, like AOL was.
    Twitter from what I can gather is like talking in your sleep only to the whole world. It seems insane to me that any one in their right mind would be on it.
    I only comment on this site and one other. Even here with my hunt and peck typing and a keyboard that has ten years worth of coffee/drinks and ashes slopped on it , I practically need a mallet to depress the space bar , I put my foot in my mouth and embarrass my self sometimes after a few pops. At least it’s limited to the UNZ review . With FB and twitter it’s : “I just had a thought maybe I should tell the whole world.” (incredulous expression) . Here there is a monitor who can shitcan ones more outrageous or prosecutable comments.Of course that’s never happened to me personally it’s just what I heard.

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  75. Hersh says:

    CNN had Shmuley Boteach on with a Columbia professor on Don Lemon’s show the other night, seemingly for no other reason than to be rude and talk over the professor all through the segment.

    I just watched Fareed Zakaria’s show. He had on a fellow named Saunders who has written a book about all these Muslims-taking-over myths. http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2015/01/18/analyst-muslim-communities-in-europe-among-most-contented-of-any-minority/ There is no mathematical possibility of Muslims taking over any European country in our lifetimes. They are 8% in France and their community in France is older – 50 years – than other European countries, which mostly have less than 5% Muslim.

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  76. rod1963 says:
    @anon
    "Posting your opinions on Twitter is a pretty insane thing for anyone to do, unless they coincide 100% with the dominant paradigm (and even then, paradigms can shift). For a media celebrity to do it is even crazier."

    That's what I don't get. The guy has been in media for 34 years, he knows which way the PC winds blow.

    Even if he is drunk.

    Do the Sanchez's, Olsons, Thomases, Gibsons, Clancy's, just hit some point that they can't take it anymore and blurt out their true feelings? But how could they keep it so under wraps for so many years?

    BTW, these summary KGB bullets to the back of the neck for the slightest trifle can't be very good press for our insect overlords, but I suppose they've decided this is better than the alternative. Or maybe they are so drunk with power and arrogance they believe that nobody is noticing the heavy hand being applied very unevenly.

    For instance, what could one every say about Christianity that would cause one to lose their job as fast as Clancy? Seems like it would have to be a lot more provocative/blatant.

    Interesting thing is apparently some have been gunning for him for a long time, reading comments elsewhere, things like, "we all knew for years that Clancy was an antisemite, etc, finally nailed the guy" or things along those lines.

    “Do the Sanchez’s, Olsons, Thomases, Gibsons, Clancy’s, just hit some point that they can’t take it anymore and blurt out their true feelings? But how could they keep it so under wraps for so many years?”

    As to how they keep it under wraps? Fear of being fired/blackballed is a good way to keep people in line. But sometimes they get a conscience attack and start speaking the truth anyway.

    Sometimes they just cross into forbidden territory like Lou Dobbs and get fired. His mistake was to speak out on illegal immigration and expose all groups and politicos pushing it. Free trade is another forbidden topic as well.

    The take away is that there are taboo subjects that no commentator can bring up without destroying their career. There are groups who do not wish these subjects to become part of public awareness for various reasons.

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    There is no Constitutional Right to have access to someone else's megaphone.

    To paraphrase a great Jewish Supreme Court Justice: You want freedom of the press? So - buy one.

    When you're using our ink, you'll print our hasbara.

    You want iSteve to have a large view-ment by the electorate? So - teach iSteve to include some softcore T 'n A, and some tranquilizers (AKA "sports scores").

    There is no Human Right to have your Euro-white ethnicity composed of the Thinking classes. you have to build that with your own hands.

    People who don't grow their own tomatoes, don't have a right to bitch about how crappy the supermarket ones are.
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  77. Maj. Kong says:
    @Wilkey
    How old is Clancy? Is he old enough and/or rich enough not to care about the rest of his career?

    What really peeves me (as I write this under a pseudonym) is that the guys who do this far too often prostrate themselves before the CPC (Church of Political Correctness) altar. It's time for them (and us, I confess) to grow a pair and double down on our beliefs. I'll make that my new year's resolution.

    An example:

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/genuine-or-not-duck-dynasty-dust-up-spells-hope-for-regular-america

    One occasionally must admit though, that many of the beliefs of political correctness have popular support. Arab Muslim conspiracy theories, really are unpopular in the United States.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/161387/americans-sympathies-israel-match-time-high.aspx

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/161159/americans-least-favorable-toward-iran.aspx?utm_source=position4&utm_medium=related&utm_campaign=tiles

    Complaining about the biases of the media is one thing, but denying moral agency is another.

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  78. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    OT… Steve, do you think the quality of our immigrants, or our immigration patterns, will get better with Pres. Obama’s pick to be special assistant to the Office of the Director of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service?

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  79. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I hate reading about things like this. American Jews are paranoid. They need to learn how to take some flak without going to DEFCON 3. Brutal suppression of the Svigors of the world only leads to more Svigors. Although, I do believe that “some cripple” was probably involved in the decision to fire him. That does make him look bad.

    The crippled in the herd. A reference to the animal kingdom, not humans/people. He was fired for being an insensitive speciesist?

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  80. QB says:
    @anonymous
    His biography has been deleted as if he never existed, sort of like commissars and others being airbrushed out of photos during the Soviet heyday. I notice that whenever something comes up, such as the recent Ukrainian situation, the internet gets saturated with the same phrases repeated constantly by commenters who pop up suddenly. They try to monopolize the spin and shout down people with opposing viewpoints. Also, in comment sections following news reports, if they still have those, the comments are screened and those that are favorable are let through giving the false impression of there being a vast consensus of opinion out there.
    Growing up during the cold war there was this constant, never-ending repetition about the commies this and the commies that. It appears that we've now become the commies.

    Case in point… ever see this compilation of news anchor all regurgitating the same lines?

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    Conan O"Brien used to have a semi-regular piece called "Newscastors agree". An example :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAkxR9T01pw
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  81. QB says:
    @Handle
    Added to my list. #221.

    That is a valuable resource. Thank you for maintaining and updating it.

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  82. donut says:

    Another thought; white folks of a certain persuasion ,as the ones that comment on this website for example are on the run in this society at present. We’re sort of like small mammals and the SJW’s are like the predators. We can feel safe from the talons and beaks of those sorts here in our burrows.Going on FB and Twitter is like leaving the safety of the burrow. One has to be on one’s toes or one will become lunch.They can see you moving in the leaf clutter from the length of a football field away. One moment of inattention and your mates will be wondering what happened to good old Tom, Dick or Harry.
    I’m sure one day this will change everything does but in the meantime be prudent when you leave the den.

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  83. Matra says:
    @Cwhatfuture
    What was Clancy's original post? This:

    The cartoons NEVER mocked the Prophet. They mocked how the COWARDS tried to distort his word. Pay attention.

    — Jim Clancy (@clancycnn) January 7, 2015
     

    Had the NYT run with this lead, you would have quite a bit to say about their journalistic standards.

    And then in response Kesler wrote - as you might have:


    Huh? What on Earth are you talking about?
     
    After a few more posts discussing Clancy's error, it looks like he then became embarrassed by his mistake. And lashed out with the "Hasbara talk" to cover. That is what it looks like to me.

    As for Clancy getting fired, maybe because it was the network thought he was unhinged. He certainly reads that way.

    And again, free speech has nothing to do with this. Free speech is about government control of speech, not making an ass of yourself at work and getting fired.

    free speech has nothing to do with this. Free speech is about government control of speech

    From a strictly legal standpoint that’s true but if SJWs, the Israel Lobby or any other organised group can deprive you of your employment and make other prospective employers shun you then in practice you don’t really have free speech. Besides, these days government and big business are often so intertwined I’m not sure the distinction matters all that much anymore.

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    People could not be fired from having a opinion on any topic or subject just like people couldn't be fired from or not hired on the basis of sex ,gender,religion,ethnicity, or sexual orientation.
    But the media will not accept the freedom of the employee to have opinion even when expressed outside the confines of the relevant job.
    This is so anachronistic . But it makes sense. This is the way to get Sanchez. Octavia Nasr and now Clancy get fired. That was the method used to get Helen Thomas fired while lamenting at the virulence of the responses of some Moslem or lamenting at the absence of freedom in Russia,China,Iran,or Syria.

    But what is surprising is the collective silence and inertia of the groups that will fight a sex ,gender ,religion,language based discrimination , but wont challenge the media 's unethical and illegal hurtful potentially destructive behaviors.
    Even the justice department won't look into it as a case of conflict of interest given the way media( CNN ) supports Israel,covers Israel , promotes Israel,and brings people as expert or host or analyst with significant past association with Israel or having rabid pro Israeli views .
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  84. @leftist conservative
    brilliant column.

    A scary peek into truth.

    And I am not anti-jew. I admire them. They got it going on.

    That is a true nation, a true people and a true community. Would that I lived in such.

    But this incident is yet another example of how political correctness and special interests control the flow of information. And it is that flow of information that molds and shapes our culture, that helps mold and shape young, impressionable minds.

    +1

    I’ve got a lot of problems with the Jewish community, but it’s certainly not out of being anti-Jewish. It’s just that my people seem to be their number one target, and they’re beating the living s$%# out of us.

    That being said, god do I respect them. They’re a people, a family. And like all families, they squabble endlessly amongst themselves and don’t agree on everything. But, in the end, they know that they’re a family and must stick together.

    It’s difficult to even imagine such a thing among whites. If a Jewish media figure or academic got fired pointing out that his Muslim or WASP or Asian-dominated employer was duplicitous, the gates of Hell would open up on that employer. First, the Jewish guy would immediately get a job at some Jewish-owned business. He would be protected financially and socially. His own world wouldn’t change a bit.

    Second, lawsuits would rain down on his former employer from every possible direction. Jewish groups of every sort would mobilize to hammer that employer from every other angle – financial, business, political, etc – as well. Oh, and if you think that they would stop at just going after the firm, you’re naive. Jewish groups would go after the man personally responsible for the firing of one of their own and try to ruin him personally.

    Basically, it would be a scorched earth policy against the firm and the person who did the firing. Twenty years from now, you’d still be hearing about how Jewish groups or businesses were finding new ways to hammer that firm and that guy who fired one of their own.

    Now, compare that to when a white person gets fired for pointing things out. Not only do whites not come to his defense, they pile on. (Where’s James Watson these days, anyway?)

    It’s embarrassing and, frankly, weird. I just don’t understand it. I fully understand the Jewish reaction. Granted, they’re really good at what they do, so I’m not expecting whites to reach that level of competency, but couldn’t we at least, you know, try.

    Is it too late to convert?

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  85. iSteveFan says:
    @Anonymous
    If Jews control the media how come everyone who works there hates them?

    If Jews control the media how come everyone who works there hates them?

    Because the owners are “the man”. And everyone hates “the man”.

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  86. josh says:
    @Cwhatfuture
    What was Clancy's original post? This:

    The cartoons NEVER mocked the Prophet. They mocked how the COWARDS tried to distort his word. Pay attention.

    — Jim Clancy (@clancycnn) January 7, 2015
     

    Had the NYT run with this lead, you would have quite a bit to say about their journalistic standards.

    And then in response Kesler wrote - as you might have:


    Huh? What on Earth are you talking about?
     
    After a few more posts discussing Clancy's error, it looks like he then became embarrassed by his mistake. And lashed out with the "Hasbara talk" to cover. That is what it looks like to me.

    As for Clancy getting fired, maybe because it was the network thought he was unhinged. He certainly reads that way.

    And again, free speech has nothing to do with this. Free speech is about government control of speech, not making an ass of yourself at work and getting fired.

    There are ways you can make and as out of yourself and ways you can’t.

    You have a very naive understanding of what it means to be free.

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  87. iSteveFan says:
    @Cwhatfuture
    What was Clancy's original post? This:

    The cartoons NEVER mocked the Prophet. They mocked how the COWARDS tried to distort his word. Pay attention.

    — Jim Clancy (@clancycnn) January 7, 2015
     

    Had the NYT run with this lead, you would have quite a bit to say about their journalistic standards.

    And then in response Kesler wrote - as you might have:


    Huh? What on Earth are you talking about?
     
    After a few more posts discussing Clancy's error, it looks like he then became embarrassed by his mistake. And lashed out with the "Hasbara talk" to cover. That is what it looks like to me.

    As for Clancy getting fired, maybe because it was the network thought he was unhinged. He certainly reads that way.

    And again, free speech has nothing to do with this. Free speech is about government control of speech, not making an ass of yourself at work and getting fired.

    And again, free speech has nothing to do with this. Free speech is about government control of speech, not making an ass of yourself at work and getting fired.

    I’ll just paraphrase Ann Coulter from a column she wrote about a similar incident in December 2013.

    Anyone who utters the mind-numbingly obvious point that CNN’s firing of anchor Jim Clancy doesn’t involve the First Amendment because a TV network is not the government, should be prohibited from ever talking in public again. You can bore your few remaining friends with laborious statements of the obvious, but stop wasting everyone else’s time.

    We know CNN is not the government. It may shock your tiny little pea brains, but free speech existed even before we had a Constitution. Free speech is generally considered a desirable goal even apart from its inclusion in the nation’s founding document.

    Suppose TV networks were capitulating to angry Muslims by suspending people for saying they opposed Sharia law? Would that prompt any of you pusillanimous hacks to finally take a position on the state of free speech in America?

    Or would you demand that we stop the presses so you could roll out your little cliche about a television network not being the government? That fact has very little relevance to someone whose life has just been ruined. Hey! Don’t worry about it — at least it wasn’t the government!

    Instead of the government censoring speech, what we have is shock troops of liberal agitators demanding people’s heads for the slightest divergence from Officially Approved Liberal Opinion.

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    Anne Coulter is not the voice of god in heaven. And it is mind-numbingly obvious that free speech existed even before we had a Constitution. You can bore your friends with quoting Anne Coulter on that. But it was also obvious, even before we had a Constitution, that if you make an ass of yourself at work, you are going to get fired. Clancy's initial comment was moronic and his reaction was unhinged. I would fire an employee like that, were he the most pro-Israel person in the world.
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  88. kreitzer says:

    Read the comments down far enough to see pic of Santa Steve. Donation is otw.

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  89. Whiskey says: • Website

    Steve, CNN’s Christiane Amanpour made far worse statements on the air, and called the jihadis who killed a bunch of people (including Jews for being Jews) “activists” and stated point blank they were not terrorists. Amanpour has made overtly anti-semitic statements year after year.

    And she’s CNN’s superstar.

    Why?

    She’s not a White male. She’s female, and Muslim. Therefore untouchable.

    Arguably the media is overtly anti-Semitic. Al Sharpton? Has his own show in MSNBC. Israel and Jews are routinely blamed for one Muslim massacre after another, including Boko Haram, the stuff in France, the stuff in Syria (basically Turkey vs. Iran) and Iraq, Pakistani outrage of the week, and so on.

    Jews are merely a fringe of the KKKrazy Glue coalition. Thus they can be attacked for being Jewish just as White men/boys are attacked for being White men or boys, even when they are part of the Obama Coalition. The core of the coalition is Blacks, then Hispanics, then rich White elites, with feminists, Jews, liberal White men, etc. unimportant add-ons. The first two provide street muscle and votes, the third the money, the rest are just useful idiots.

    This is more evidence of the KKKrazy Glue coalition breaking down.

    The CNN guy who got fired WAS offensive. If that was a firing offense is probably not, but he should have apologized, lets review.

    *After a number of high-profile murders in the past few years of Jews in France (including children) by Muslims merely for BEING JEWS, jihadis go and …

    *Kill Jews in a Hypermarket merely for being Jews. None of them were connected to Hedbo, none had any possibility of influencing the people at Hedbo. But were Jews and were targeted for group retaliation.

    This is offensive in a fundamental way to White people. White people have many and varied ethnic backgrounds — Celt, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Scandinavian, etc. Tribal / Muslim ways of thinking and acting, group collective punishment, every man under arms, government being weak and not having a monopoly of violence is deeply and massively offensive to Whites because every White knows where it leads: the Dark Ages, the Thirty Years War, the Balkans. White society is built on trust and singling out Jews for being Jews and thus worthy of being killed (as the CNN anchor effectively argued) is not only objectively anti-White but leads inevitably to anti-German, or anti-Celt, or anti-French collective punishment as well.

    Muslims act and think this way, because they are a tribal rabble. Tribalism is the principal reason for Muslim failure.

    Israeli hasbara is a symptom of Western failure to keep nationalism big, inclusive, and with a monopoly of violence inside its own state at least. The internet itself acts to increase tribalism and decrease nationalism. Multiculturalism is not only Western Suicide but itself a rejection of Westernism and the European way.

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    Multiculturalism is not only Western Suicide but itself a rejection of Westernism and the European way.
     
    Then why do you guys promote it?
    , @Anonymous

    She’s not a White male. She’s female, and Muslim. Therefore untouchable.
     
    Sure. The fact that she is married to James Rubin has absolutely nothing to do with it.
    , @Former Darfur
    Amanpour is not Muslim, as far as I know. She is married to one James Rubin.
    , @Honorary Thief

    Muslims act and think this way, because they are a tribal rabble. Tribalism is the principal reason for Muslim failure.
     
    The Jews are a tribal people whose performance exceeds all other ethnic groups. More probably, Muslims fail because of marginal average intellect and organization skill, not collectivism.
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  90. In fairness to CNN, Clancy does not look like someone who would have appeal to their audience. He is oldish, white and looks like a conservative.

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  91. iSteveFan says:
    @Whiskey
    Steve, CNN's Christiane Amanpour made far worse statements on the air, and called the jihadis who killed a bunch of people (including Jews for being Jews) "activists" and stated point blank they were not terrorists. Amanpour has made overtly anti-semitic statements year after year.

    And she's CNN's superstar.

    Why?

    She's not a White male. She's female, and Muslim. Therefore untouchable.

    Arguably the media is overtly anti-Semitic. Al Sharpton? Has his own show in MSNBC. Israel and Jews are routinely blamed for one Muslim massacre after another, including Boko Haram, the stuff in France, the stuff in Syria (basically Turkey vs. Iran) and Iraq, Pakistani outrage of the week, and so on.

    Jews are merely a fringe of the KKKrazy Glue coalition. Thus they can be attacked for being Jewish just as White men/boys are attacked for being White men or boys, even when they are part of the Obama Coalition. The core of the coalition is Blacks, then Hispanics, then rich White elites, with feminists, Jews, liberal White men, etc. unimportant add-ons. The first two provide street muscle and votes, the third the money, the rest are just useful idiots.

    This is more evidence of the KKKrazy Glue coalition breaking down.

    The CNN guy who got fired WAS offensive. If that was a firing offense is probably not, but he should have apologized, lets review.

    *After a number of high-profile murders in the past few years of Jews in France (including children) by Muslims merely for BEING JEWS, jihadis go and ...

    *Kill Jews in a Hypermarket merely for being Jews. None of them were connected to Hedbo, none had any possibility of influencing the people at Hedbo. But were Jews and were targeted for group retaliation.

    This is offensive in a fundamental way to White people. White people have many and varied ethnic backgrounds -- Celt, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Scandinavian, etc. Tribal / Muslim ways of thinking and acting, group collective punishment, every man under arms, government being weak and not having a monopoly of violence is deeply and massively offensive to Whites because every White knows where it leads: the Dark Ages, the Thirty Years War, the Balkans. White society is built on trust and singling out Jews for being Jews and thus worthy of being killed (as the CNN anchor effectively argued) is not only objectively anti-White but leads inevitably to anti-German, or anti-Celt, or anti-French collective punishment as well.

    Muslims act and think this way, because they are a tribal rabble. Tribalism is the principal reason for Muslim failure.

    Israeli hasbara is a symptom of Western failure to keep nationalism big, inclusive, and with a monopoly of violence inside its own state at least. The internet itself acts to increase tribalism and decrease nationalism. Multiculturalism is not only Western Suicide but itself a rejection of Westernism and the European way.

    Multiculturalism is not only Western Suicide but itself a rejection of Westernism and the European way.

    Then why do you guys promote it?

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  92. We really don’t know anything useful about Clancy’s work relations at CNN. Odds are this is a case of office politics: a petty conspiracy, not a grand conspiracy.

    In any case, it certainly doesn’t speak well for Clancy that he responded on twitter with “hasbara?” The only sorts who do that are indeed loons (like Steven Salaita).

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    CNN is headed by Jeff Zucker. It's the third ranking cable news channel, that has declining market value.

    If CNN acquires an anti-Israel reputation, like Al Jazeera, they lose their cachet to political influencers, and Zucker really will be out of a job for good.

    When Jeff Zucker is your boss, Clancy was on thin ice...
    , @Lurker
    Maybe but why are we living in an environment where the Israeli government can freely admit that hasbara exit but if anyone else even mentions it they are loon?
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  93. @Wilkey
    "Posting your opinions on Twitter is a pretty insane thing for anyone to do, unless they coincide 100% with the dominant paradigm."

    Which is in no small part why our beliefs never become the dominant paradigm. The war ain't over there, it's over here, and we need soldiers.

    Posting on twitter won’t help, it just attracts predators. I don’t find Facebook much better.

    I’ve argued for my views – eg against non-European immigration – in academic staff seminars, with real people, where it might make some difference. There I can phrase my argument carefully for the audience. Writing well-researched opinion pieces can also be effective; Sailer has certainly (usually indirectly) influenced the debate on many issues.

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    Simon thank you for doing that. I think one job for visible realists is to provide a model language that carefully pushes boundaries and blows dog-whistles without alienating "persuadables."
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  94. Lot says:

    Steve, do you consider your translation away from UPI and NR to have been voluntary, a purge, or what?

    As I’ve said here before, if you want to speak freely, don’t work in a competitive and declining industry like journalism. You can easily be replaced.

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    No where else but journalism, can you have the influence to change the worldview of politicians.

    If for instance, Matt Yglesias was just some guy, would Rand Paul have embarked upon kissing Al Sharpton's ring?

    http://twitchy.com/2013/06/20/aww-matt-yglesias-bashes-rand-pauls-white-supremacist-leanings-gets-feelings-hurt/

    Free speech isn't

    Everyone and everything has a price

    http://www.henrydampier.com/2014/02/cathedralnomics-how-media-workers-get-paid/
    , @Grumpy
    "As I’ve said here before, if you want to speak freely, don’t work in a competitive and declining industry like journalism."

    Or academia:

    http://100rsns.blogspot.com/2012/01/76-there-is-culture-of-fear.html
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  95. Lot says:

    Wait, you can get paid for online Israel trolling? Darn I’ve been doing it for free for years.

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  96. @Jack D
    Clancy's tweets are bizarre:

    http://tktk.gawker.com/cnn-s-jim-clancy-resigns-after-twitter-rant-about-israe-1680003120/+trotter

    My guess is that this was a Mel Gibson type thing and he was drunk. Alcohol lowers inhibitions so if you are a closeted anti-Semite/Arabist this is what you blurt out. Clancy's hasbara comments seem to be non-sequiturs otherwise - what does hasbara have to do with Charlie?

    Also, maybe I am thick as a brick, but I did not understand the point he was trying to make - that the cartoons never mocked the Prophet himself, only those who tried to distort his words. As future President Hillary said, what difference does that make?

    People say nonsensical leftwing things all the time. What got Clancy in trouble initially was replying to the employee of the pro-Israel thinktank with the tweet “Hasbara?”

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    Imagine Clancy arguing instead with Ralph Reed and responding, "Southern Strategy" as a shut down tactic.

    It is to laugh, indeed, such an utterance would be a testament to his good sense. Crazy? Bigot? Fired?!?

    Interesting exercise.
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  97. Lot says:
    @Simon in London
    Posting on twitter won't help, it just attracts predators. I don't find Facebook much better.

    I've argued for my views - eg against non-European immigration - in academic staff seminars, with real people, where it might make some difference. There I can phrase my argument carefully for the audience. Writing well-researched opinion pieces can also be effective; Sailer has certainly (usually indirectly) influenced the debate on many issues.

    Simon thank you for doing that. I think one job for visible realists is to provide a model language that carefully pushes boundaries and blows dog-whistles without alienating “persuadables.”

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  98. madison says:

    Why aren’t we doing this?

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  99. Maj. Kong says:
    @Sam Haysom
    Care to name some of these Christian Zionists in the news media that don't work for Fox. Even at Fox you'd have a hard time identifying a lot of Christian Zionist beside maybe Hannity.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#Notable_proponents

    Huckabee recently FOX left to run another failed Presidential campaign.

    It’s uncommon for one to self-identify as such, considering Dispensationalist theology. These days that gets you called an anti-Semite that supports Israel only to obtain the Rapture.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hagee-pro-israel-anti-semitic/

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  100. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Cwhatfuture
    What was Clancy's original post? This:

    The cartoons NEVER mocked the Prophet. They mocked how the COWARDS tried to distort his word. Pay attention.

    — Jim Clancy (@clancycnn) January 7, 2015
     

    Had the NYT run with this lead, you would have quite a bit to say about their journalistic standards.

    And then in response Kesler wrote - as you might have:


    Huh? What on Earth are you talking about?
     
    After a few more posts discussing Clancy's error, it looks like he then became embarrassed by his mistake. And lashed out with the "Hasbara talk" to cover. That is what it looks like to me.

    As for Clancy getting fired, maybe because it was the network thought he was unhinged. He certainly reads that way.

    And again, free speech has nothing to do with this. Free speech is about government control of speech, not making an ass of yourself at work and getting fired.

    “And again, free speech has nothing to do with this. Free speech is about government control of speech, not making an ass of yourself at work and getting fired.”

    True.

    The problem is free speech has no value unless it becomes Power Speech.

    Suppose our legal system allows anyone to go into the woods and say anything. Okay, so what good will it do? Will birds and trees care?

    Speech gains meaning and power by being heard by other people. By altering the views of others.

    So, the real issue is Power Speech.

    When certain free speech isn’t allowed to become Power Speech, it’s useless.

    It’s like allowing people to own seeds but not letting them plant. What good are seeds that aren’t planted in the soil?

    Free speech is allowed in the US, but much of free speech isn’t allowed to become Power Speech due to controls in the government, economic, and cultural systems.
    As certain taboos are upheld by the powerful institutions, anyone who dares challenges the taboo are economically, politically, and otherwise destroyed. They still have free speech, but as the are shut out from halls of influence, their speech has no power. It’s free but useless.

    Both George Soros and a homeless person have same free speech rights. But one has helluva lot more Power Speech than the other.
    The likes of Sheldon Adelson can say outrageous stuff and still be allowed to play kingmaker in politics, but Clancy gets fired over some nonsense on twitter?

    In some ways, the great thing about capitalism is it makes people who are different in views to get along and do business. So, in America and around the world, Christians, Jews, whites, yellows, browns, and etc all can do business for sake of profit.

    But the downside of capitalism is everything has been turned into a matter of profit. Therefore, if something hurts your profit, you are likely to sell your principles to keep the profit.
    Those with the Power Speech has the power to destroy your reputation. Those with only free speech but no power speech can be destroyed and have no way to fight back since the media, government, and etc are all on the side of those with control of Power Speech.

    Also, there is no clear boundary between government and big business in the US. Jews are rich and they favored homos. Rich Jews bought politicians who support ‘gay marriage’. US government now have laws that won’t hire anyone who’s opposed to the homo agenda. US media may be privately owned but they play a big role in who gets elected. So, business affects government. It also affects public support for war.

    California has a law that bans anti-Zionist speech in government. Gee, I wonder if the legal system in California has something to do with the fact that so many politicians and judges have been bought and sold by rich Jews.

    So, our main issue can’t only be free speech. We need to discuss Power Speech.
    Who controls Power Speech. What are the taboos used by Power Speech to suppress other forms of power speech, thus rendering them only into ‘free speech’ that, without power, is useless.

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    Power Speech is clumsy.

    Free speech is about what is allowed to be said in the Public Domain. If you are unable to make certain in the public domain because of retaliation, well, then you don't have free speech.
    , @wren
    Both George Soros and a homeless person have same free speech rights. But one has helluva lot more Power Speech than the other.

    The Daily Mail tells me today that Soros funded the Ferguson brouhaha. I don't have time to see if that is really true, but it seems plausible.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2913625/Billionaire-George-Soros-spent-33MILLION-bankrolling-Ferguson-demonstrators-create-echo-chamber-drive-national-protests.html
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  101. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Priss Factor
    Hi, my name is Heather M.

    Recently, I worked as an intern at CNN. I thought everyone was so nice and kindly, and I became trusting of my bosses and co-workers who seemed so nice.
    One day, they asked me to bring coffee to a certain room. But when I entered, all the people in the room were in ninja suits and masks and soon turned off the light. I was so shocked I couldn't let go of the hot pot of coffee. Soon, they were ripping my clothes off and I was spilling my hot coffee all over them. But they were in such a sexual frenzy that they proceeded to rape me while I spilled more hot coffee all over them.
    After 4, 5, 6, or maybe 12 hrs, they stopped raping me, and I began to feel ink being written all over me and this just went on and on.

    When I finally came to, I was lying naked in the room and when I stood up and looked in the mirror, I was horrified by what had been written all over my body.

    One read:

    "This skankass bitch is racist, fascist, scum bitch who reads stuff on Vdare."

    Another (on my buttock) read:

    "This politically incorrect bitchass ho surely wrote comments at UNZ.COM."

    Another (on my other buttock) read:

    "This is one terrible reactionary whore who, btw, thinks Dennis Dale is a cute scaredy cat."

    I was so traumatized and I sought help and support among my colleagues at CNN, but no one offered any help because they were afraid of being shut of the annual Christmas Party."

    Will someone help me? Please.

    Thanks for the good laugh!

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  102. Maj. Kong says:
    @Lot
    Steve, do you consider your translation away from UPI and NR to have been voluntary, a purge, or what?

    As I've said here before, if you want to speak freely, don't work in a competitive and declining industry like journalism. You can easily be replaced.

    No where else but journalism, can you have the influence to change the worldview of politicians.

    If for instance, Matt Yglesias was just some guy, would Rand Paul have embarked upon kissing Al Sharpton’s ring?

    http://twitchy.com/2013/06/20/aww-matt-yglesias-bashes-rand-pauls-white-supremacist-leanings-gets-feelings-hurt/

    Free speech isn’t

    Everyone and everything has a price

    http://www.henrydampier.com/2014/02/cathedralnomics-how-media-workers-get-paid/

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    would Rand Paul have embarked upon kissing Al Sharpton’s ring?
     
    My view of Paul, based on both his dad and his staff hiring of open realists, is that he's one of us and he needs to make some showy gestures to cover this up. I don't believe he actually will try to do anything about aggressive policing, for example, but making some vague noises helps him.

    The deal with him is that he combines an anti-war, anti-surveillance state positions that a large portion of the left just love, with an actual record that is objectively realist and anti-welfare-state.

    The conflicted feelings about him from the left, compared to their hostility to most Republicans, is a huge asset for him.

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  103. Big Bill says:

    Mr. Rivkin, 48, an entertainment executive and the youngest American ambassador to France in nearly 60 years, has taken a strong personal interest in the banlieues.

    Jesus! Talk about “two Jews, three opinions”! Rivkin has his stiff tongue probing Arab nether regions at the same time his newfound friends are slaughtering his people in France. I don’t know how to process this, frankly.

    If the JDL, Kahane Chai, Foxman and the Mossad cannot manage to scrounge up two undescended testicles among them and handle this matter ” internally” (so to speak), why should we get involved?

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  104. Lot says:

    Both Sanchez and Clancy broke into their antisemitism in the course of making multiculti left wing statements.

    In Sanchez’s case, he was complaining about being demoted, saying it was racism against him and attacks by Jon Stewart. And that point, in response to “But isn’t Stewart a minority” Sanchez’s “Jews control the media” rant slipped out and he was actually fired.

    In Clancy’s case, he was trying to make a variant of the same tired #NotAllMuslims defense of “moderate Islam” and got baited by a neocon.

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    Those weren't left-wing, multiculti statements. They were true statements in context. Sanchez was saying that Jews have significant representation in the media and discriminate against people like Sanchez. Clancy was saying that supporters of Israel tend to promote a certain image of all Muslims. Both of these statements are true.
    , @anon
    "Sanchez’s “Jews control the media” rant slipped out and he was actually fired."

    Was it a "rant"? Was he pumping his fist, steam blowing from his ears? Why is anything that Jews don't like said about them a "rant".

    This is part of the medicalization of opposition - "my enemies have a mental illness".

    Say what you will about Sanchez's and Clancy's comments, but neither of them were anything like a rant.

    Let's drop all this screed/trope/rant descriptions of comments that Jews don't like. Frankly, it would be to your advantage as well, as it marks you as prejudicial, etc.
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  105. Cwhatfuture [AKA "Steve (not Sailer)"] says:
    @iSteveFan
    And again, free speech has nothing to do with this. Free speech is about government control of speech, not making an ass of yourself at work and getting fired.

    I'll just paraphrase Ann Coulter from a column she wrote about a similar incident in December 2013.


    Anyone who utters the mind-numbingly obvious point that CNN's firing of anchor Jim Clancy doesn't involve the First Amendment because a TV network is not the government, should be prohibited from ever talking in public again. You can bore your few remaining friends with laborious statements of the obvious, but stop wasting everyone else's time.

    We know CNN is not the government. It may shock your tiny little pea brains, but free speech existed even before we had a Constitution. Free speech is generally considered a desirable goal even apart from its inclusion in the nation's founding document.

    Suppose TV networks were capitulating to angry Muslims by suspending people for saying they opposed Sharia law? Would that prompt any of you pusillanimous hacks to finally take a position on the state of free speech in America?

    Or would you demand that we stop the presses so you could roll out your little cliche about a television network not being the government? That fact has very little relevance to someone whose life has just been ruined. Hey! Don't worry about it -- at least it wasn't the government!

    Instead of the government censoring speech, what we have is shock troops of liberal agitators demanding people's heads for the slightest divergence from Officially Approved Liberal Opinion.
     

    Anne Coulter is not the voice of god in heaven. And it is mind-numbingly obvious that free speech existed even before we had a Constitution. You can bore your friends with quoting Anne Coulter on that. But it was also obvious, even before we had a Constitution, that if you make an ass of yourself at work, you are going to get fired. Clancy’s initial comment was moronic and his reaction was unhinged. I would fire an employee like that, were he the most pro-Israel person in the world.

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  106. Maj. Kong says:
    @wonderbread
    We really don't know anything useful about Clancy's work relations at CNN. Odds are this is a case of office politics: a petty conspiracy, not a grand conspiracy.

    In any case, it certainly doesn't speak well for Clancy that he responded on twitter with "hasbara?" The only sorts who do that are indeed loons (like Steven Salaita).

    CNN is headed by Jeff Zucker. It’s the third ranking cable news channel, that has declining market value.

    If CNN acquires an anti-Israel reputation, like Al Jazeera, they lose their cachet to political influencers, and Zucker really will be out of a job for good.

    When Jeff Zucker is your boss, Clancy was on thin ice…

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  107. From now on nature shows will have to explain how wolves and hyenas circle the herd, focusing on the mobility challenged wildebeests. They also seek out the senior citizen Gazelles.

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  108. Lot says:
    @Maj. Kong
    No where else but journalism, can you have the influence to change the worldview of politicians.

    If for instance, Matt Yglesias was just some guy, would Rand Paul have embarked upon kissing Al Sharpton's ring?

    http://twitchy.com/2013/06/20/aww-matt-yglesias-bashes-rand-pauls-white-supremacist-leanings-gets-feelings-hurt/

    Free speech isn't

    Everyone and everything has a price

    http://www.henrydampier.com/2014/02/cathedralnomics-how-media-workers-get-paid/

    would Rand Paul have embarked upon kissing Al Sharpton’s ring?

    My view of Paul, based on both his dad and his staff hiring of open realists, is that he’s one of us and he needs to make some showy gestures to cover this up. I don’t believe he actually will try to do anything about aggressive policing, for example, but making some vague noises helps him.

    The deal with him is that he combines an anti-war, anti-surveillance state positions that a large portion of the left just love, with an actual record that is objectively realist and anti-welfare-state.

    The conflicted feelings about him from the left, compared to their hostility to most Republicans, is a huge asset for him.

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    When Rand gets the title, "renegade of the year", is that backhanded praise?

    I don't see it that much, the old man is pro-open borders too. The "paleolibertarian" movement was, IMO, a cynical ploy by Rothbard. I doubt the sincerity of people by their actions, not words. Rothbard remained a cosmopolitan atheist until his death.

    Rand only wins the nominati0n if:
    -Romney and Jeb slaughter each other in the first three primaries
    -Rand and Ted Cruz and a bleeding Huckabee are the only ones standing after Super Tuesday
    -The establishment agrees to Rand at a brokered convention, on condition of having a pro-war VP

    The GOP, and its base have too much invested into "strong national defense".
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  109. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Whiskey
    Steve, CNN's Christiane Amanpour made far worse statements on the air, and called the jihadis who killed a bunch of people (including Jews for being Jews) "activists" and stated point blank they were not terrorists. Amanpour has made overtly anti-semitic statements year after year.

    And she's CNN's superstar.

    Why?

    She's not a White male. She's female, and Muslim. Therefore untouchable.

    Arguably the media is overtly anti-Semitic. Al Sharpton? Has his own show in MSNBC. Israel and Jews are routinely blamed for one Muslim massacre after another, including Boko Haram, the stuff in France, the stuff in Syria (basically Turkey vs. Iran) and Iraq, Pakistani outrage of the week, and so on.

    Jews are merely a fringe of the KKKrazy Glue coalition. Thus they can be attacked for being Jewish just as White men/boys are attacked for being White men or boys, even when they are part of the Obama Coalition. The core of the coalition is Blacks, then Hispanics, then rich White elites, with feminists, Jews, liberal White men, etc. unimportant add-ons. The first two provide street muscle and votes, the third the money, the rest are just useful idiots.

    This is more evidence of the KKKrazy Glue coalition breaking down.

    The CNN guy who got fired WAS offensive. If that was a firing offense is probably not, but he should have apologized, lets review.

    *After a number of high-profile murders in the past few years of Jews in France (including children) by Muslims merely for BEING JEWS, jihadis go and ...

    *Kill Jews in a Hypermarket merely for being Jews. None of them were connected to Hedbo, none had any possibility of influencing the people at Hedbo. But were Jews and were targeted for group retaliation.

    This is offensive in a fundamental way to White people. White people have many and varied ethnic backgrounds -- Celt, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Scandinavian, etc. Tribal / Muslim ways of thinking and acting, group collective punishment, every man under arms, government being weak and not having a monopoly of violence is deeply and massively offensive to Whites because every White knows where it leads: the Dark Ages, the Thirty Years War, the Balkans. White society is built on trust and singling out Jews for being Jews and thus worthy of being killed (as the CNN anchor effectively argued) is not only objectively anti-White but leads inevitably to anti-German, or anti-Celt, or anti-French collective punishment as well.

    Muslims act and think this way, because they are a tribal rabble. Tribalism is the principal reason for Muslim failure.

    Israeli hasbara is a symptom of Western failure to keep nationalism big, inclusive, and with a monopoly of violence inside its own state at least. The internet itself acts to increase tribalism and decrease nationalism. Multiculturalism is not only Western Suicide but itself a rejection of Westernism and the European way.

    She’s not a White male. She’s female, and Muslim. Therefore untouchable.

    Sure. The fact that she is married to James Rubin has absolutely nothing to do with it.

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  110. Dahlia says:
    @Steve Sailer
    People say nonsensical leftwing things all the time. What got Clancy in trouble initially was replying to the employee of the pro-Israel thinktank with the tweet "Hasbara?"

    Imagine Clancy arguing instead with Ralph Reed and responding, “Southern Strategy” as a shut down tactic.

    It is to laugh, indeed, such an utterance would be a testament to his good sense. Crazy? Bigot? Fired?!?

    Interesting exercise.

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  111. donut says:
    @QB
    Case in point... ever see this compilation of news anchor all regurgitating the same lines?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kip2w-DceV0

    Conan O”Brien used to have a semi-regular piece called “Newscastors agree”. An example :

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  112. Mr. Anon says:

    “Martin says:

    speaking of Samuel Jackson I like him as an actor but here he is working for George Soros’ son organization:”

    Yeah, he has such an incredible acting range: from angry, loud-mouthed black guy to loud-mouthed, angry black guy.

    A friend of mine and I have a running joke about Jackson being cast as George Washington Carver:

    “Peanuts, Motherf**ker!”

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  113. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Lot
    Both Sanchez and Clancy broke into their antisemitism in the course of making multiculti left wing statements.

    In Sanchez's case, he was complaining about being demoted, saying it was racism against him and attacks by Jon Stewart. And that point, in response to "But isn't Stewart a minority" Sanchez's "Jews control the media" rant slipped out and he was actually fired.

    In Clancy's case, he was trying to make a variant of the same tired #NotAllMuslims defense of "moderate Islam" and got baited by a neocon.

    Those weren’t left-wing, multiculti statements. They were true statements in context. Sanchez was saying that Jews have significant representation in the media and discriminate against people like Sanchez. Clancy was saying that supporters of Israel tend to promote a certain image of all Muslims. Both of these statements are true.

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  114. Mr. Anon says:

    “Sam Haysom says:

    The Putin’s payroll gibes are entirely fair play turnabout for the tendency of the counter-AIPAC brigades to cry “Hasbara” the second anyone here objects to excessively over the top Jew-blaming.”

    It’s fair-play to anyone who has no sense of fair-play. And I don’t see a lot of people here objecting to “over-the-top Jew-blaming” so much as prople reflexively objecting to any criticism of Jews at all.

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    The governments of Russia and Israel have a certain amount of linkage, so I'm sure the Russians have studied the successes and failures of Israel, so I would hardly be surprised if Russia has some similar hasbara policies.
    , @Sam Haysom
    The poster who inspires about 80 percent of the "hasbara" push back here, Svigor, is complete open in his complete hatred for and bitterness towards all Jews solely on the basis of their being Jewish.

    I don't like any dual allegiances and leap-frogging loyalities. But when comparing Israel fans to Russia fans it is hard to miss the fact that the Russophiles are far more open in their contempt for the west, their eagerness to see the West "humiliated"'or freeze to death, and panygerics to a nation that until twenty years ago was committed to the destruction of our nation.
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  115. HA says:
    @anon
    I noticed that commenter HA always accuses neocons' opponents here of being on Putin's payroll. People tend to accuse others of what they do themselves. Figuring out other people's motives is hard work, and boring too. Yet one's own motives are always close to the surface, waiting to be picked up.

    HA, were you trying to tell us something about yourself? I can't imagine it pays very well though.

    I noticed that commenter HA always accuses neocons’ opponents here of being on Putin’s payroll.

    That’s all you happened to notice? You didn’t notice any of the incessant Kiev-junta-Kiev-junta-Kiev-junta-Nuland-Kaganite chatter that keeps popping up on these threads apropos of nothing, and well in advance of anything I might have to say? That somehow escaped your attention? Why is that, do you think?

    In any case, you are, yet again, incorrect. I accuse those who keep insisting we stay abreast of RT propaganda of being either on Putin’s payroll, or else, of being one of his useful idiots. If you’re not one, you may well consider yourself as being among the other.

    In terms of what’s messed this country up over the last century, a good chunk of it was fomented, supported, or otherwise guided by Moscow. So if some neo-Soviet ex-KGB thug with a new-found fear that the West is his Emmanuel Goldstein wants to fool a bunch of paleo-cons with short-term-memory issues into thinking his propaganda goons are good guys this time around, because they’re against gays or Jews or whatever, I’m not falling for it. And if you’re willing to be fooled, I’m calling you on it. To the extent that useful idiots of the Hasbara-spinners or Neocons have put this country at risk, they’re not the only ones, and I’m not going to forget that.

    OK, wait for it…. if everything goes according to schedule, this is right about the time that some of the water-carrier-alert people show up and accuse me of trying to hijack another thread with Putin issues.

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  116. @SFG
    Yeah, pretty much. I think the whole 'never again' thing gets blown into 'we must completely suppress anyone who starts to criticize us'.

    I just wish people would quit denying the Holocaust. I mean, doesn't it explain pretty well the paranoid behavior you're seeing here?

    Yes. The Holocaust “never again” mentality is a major factor in Jewish American sensitivity to any criticism.

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  117. HA says:

    “CNN’s Christiane Amanpour…She’s not a White male. She’s female, and Muslim.”

    She’s Muslim? Christiane? Sound out that first syllable a couple of times — does something seem a little off-kilter there? According to wiki, her father is indeed Muslim, but her mother is Christian and her husband is a Jew. If she’s Muslim, she’s pretty low-key about it.

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  118. Mr. Anon says:

    “SFG says:

    Yeah, pretty much. I think the whole ‘never again’ thing gets blown into ‘we must completely suppress anyone who starts to criticize us’.

    I just wish people would quit denying the Holocaust. I mean, doesn’t it explain pretty well the paranoid behavior you’re seeing here?”

    I remember a time when the German’s mass-murder of Jews was not called by the – by now, virtually trademarked – name of “The Holocaust”. It was however nearly universally recognized (other than by a few neo-nazis) as a historical fact and a horrendous crime, even by people who didn’t particularly like Jews. Yes, it is deplorable that some people deny it. But does that justify paranoia? Well, it might justify your paranoia to you, but don’t expect that gentiles should think that it justifies it to us.

    I am, by now, pretty well fed-up with the tendency of many Jews to view all of us as incipient nazi murderers, especially in the US – a nation that sacrificed several hundred thousand of its own men to fight Nazi Germany. If that is not cause for gratitude, I don’t know what is. And I would point out that given the prevalent attitudes toward Jews prior to WWII, it is the case that far more people who would today be called anti-semites died fighting nazisim than did Jews. But does this count for anything now?

    Jews have a broad influence, disproportionate to their numbers, in my country, in its government, its financial and legal establishment, and in the media. I have a legitimate right to notice that fact and to be concerned with it’s implications for me and mine. …

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    It's the influence of the "civil rights revolution". The term 'holocaust' means burnt offering, and is frequently mentioned in the Old Testament. It is seen in post-Civil Rights era history, as being the offering to the new liberal world order. In Jewish history, it's called the Shoah, meaning "calamity"

    Interestingly, the Arabs call the foundation of Israel the Nabka, which means a similar thing.

    I do not really understand the purpose of Holocaust denial. The point of Nazism is to remove Jews from society, and for some reason the Neo-Nazis deny it rather than what they would presumably want Round 2. The other source of denial, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, seems to have lost his stature in Iran. There appears to be a belief that the Holocaust is somehow the reason for Israel's existence, which is highly ahistorical.

    The average American Jew is descended from Russian emigrants during a series of pogroms in the 1880s. They further lived in the large cities, and rarely became farmers. Out of 1960s urban crime, we got neoconservatism. Paranoia might partly be a learned behavior, or also a trait that was selected for over thousands of years. If the non-paranoid Jews got offed in the pogroms, only the paranoid remain.

    I don't now how paranoid Israeli Jews are, they exist in a tough neighborhood, and fought several wars against their neighbors, but they importantly won those wars. The Iran issue doesn't seem to have as much pull for the Israeli public as it does for Western neoconservatives. Their former JCS equivalent spoke out against an attack on Iran some time ago.
    , @SFG
    No, the paranoia's not because people deny the Holocaust, it's because of the act itself. Someone killing a few million of your relatives wouldn't make you wary? We see Ukrainians (and Eastern Europeans in general) suspicious of the whole left after Stalin offed a few million of them, don't we?

    Anyway, no, I don't think most Americans are incipient mass murderers, though I'm not so sure about some of the people on here. ;) Heck, I don't even think most Germans were incipient mass murderers in 1933, Hitler had to sneak around quite a bit and invent all sorts of lies...and once things got started, nobody was really going to speak out and wind up as soap themselves.

    As for Russia's hasbara (or whatever the word is in Russian), isn't that a well-known thing by now?

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/11/inside-putins-campaign-of-social-media-trolling-and-faked-ukrainian-crimes/
    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/10/russias-online-comment-propaganda-army/280432/
    http://www.ukrainianwinnipeg.ca/russian-propaganda-works-social-media/


    Lefty sites in many cases, of course...but do you really think the heirs of the KGB *wouldn't* use every available technology to push their case?

    Mr. Haysom:

    And yes, I agree, the Russophiles seem to enjoy kicking the West around, whereas the Zionists are only interested in building up Israel. However, there is a natural antagonism between Russia and America--both great powers--whereas Israel's success doesn't necessarily mean America has to fail. (If anything, a strong America is good for them.) A parasite doesn't necessarily want to kill its host.

    Still, Israel's pretty much a millstone around America's neck at this point. And whatever you think of Russia, reducing them to penury has the small but nonzero possibility of going really, really bad (read: nuclear weapons).
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  119. Maj. Kong says:
    @Lot

    would Rand Paul have embarked upon kissing Al Sharpton’s ring?
     
    My view of Paul, based on both his dad and his staff hiring of open realists, is that he's one of us and he needs to make some showy gestures to cover this up. I don't believe he actually will try to do anything about aggressive policing, for example, but making some vague noises helps him.

    The deal with him is that he combines an anti-war, anti-surveillance state positions that a large portion of the left just love, with an actual record that is objectively realist and anti-welfare-state.

    The conflicted feelings about him from the left, compared to their hostility to most Republicans, is a huge asset for him.

    When Rand gets the title, “renegade of the year”, is that backhanded praise?

    I don’t see it that much, the old man is pro-open borders too. The “paleolibertarian” movement was, IMO, a cynical ploy by Rothbard. I doubt the sincerity of people by their actions, not words. Rothbard remained a cosmopolitan atheist until his death.

    Rand only wins the nominati0n if:
    -Romney and Jeb slaughter each other in the first three primaries
    -Rand and Ted Cruz and a bleeding Huckabee are the only ones standing after Super Tuesday
    -The establishment agrees to Rand at a brokered convention, on condition of having a pro-war VP

    The GOP, and its base have too much invested into “strong national defense”.

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  120. Mr. Anon says:

    “QB says:

    Case in point… ever see this compilation of news anchor all regurgitating the same lines?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kip2w-DceV0″

    Yes, I’ve seen that before, and it raises interesting questions. So why do the people who assemble vids like this feel the need to insert a distracting background music track? All the 911 truther idiots did that too. Just like typing IN ALL CAPS, it comes across as a big screaming message saying “I am a paranoid crank – ignore everything I say”.

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  121. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Lot
    Both Sanchez and Clancy broke into their antisemitism in the course of making multiculti left wing statements.

    In Sanchez's case, he was complaining about being demoted, saying it was racism against him and attacks by Jon Stewart. And that point, in response to "But isn't Stewart a minority" Sanchez's "Jews control the media" rant slipped out and he was actually fired.

    In Clancy's case, he was trying to make a variant of the same tired #NotAllMuslims defense of "moderate Islam" and got baited by a neocon.

    “Sanchez’s “Jews control the media” rant slipped out and he was actually fired.”

    Was it a “rant”? Was he pumping his fist, steam blowing from his ears? Why is anything that Jews don’t like said about them a “rant”.

    This is part of the medicalization of opposition – “my enemies have a mental illness”.

    Say what you will about Sanchez’s and Clancy’s comments, but neither of them were anything like a rant.

    Let’s drop all this screed/trope/rant descriptions of comments that Jews don’t like. Frankly, it would be to your advantage as well, as it marks you as prejudicial, etc.

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    Why is anything that Jews don’t like said about them a “rant”.
     
    You need to get your terminology straight.

    Mentioning Jews = rant.

    Actually criticizing Jews = ugly noxious anti-semitic stereotype conspiracy theory canard.
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  122. Grumpy says:
    @Lot
    Steve, do you consider your translation away from UPI and NR to have been voluntary, a purge, or what?

    As I've said here before, if you want to speak freely, don't work in a competitive and declining industry like journalism. You can easily be replaced.

    “As I’ve said here before, if you want to speak freely, don’t work in a competitive and declining industry like journalism.”

    Or academia:

    http://100rsns.blogspot.com/2012/01/76-there-is-culture-of-fear.html

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  123. map says:
    @Anon
    "And again, free speech has nothing to do with this. Free speech is about government control of speech, not making an ass of yourself at work and getting fired."

    True.

    The problem is free speech has no value unless it becomes Power Speech.

    Suppose our legal system allows anyone to go into the woods and say anything. Okay, so what good will it do? Will birds and trees care?

    Speech gains meaning and power by being heard by other people. By altering the views of others.

    So, the real issue is Power Speech.

    When certain free speech isn't allowed to become Power Speech, it's useless.

    It's like allowing people to own seeds but not letting them plant. What good are seeds that aren't planted in the soil?

    Free speech is allowed in the US, but much of free speech isn't allowed to become Power Speech due to controls in the government, economic, and cultural systems.
    As certain taboos are upheld by the powerful institutions, anyone who dares challenges the taboo are economically, politically, and otherwise destroyed. They still have free speech, but as the are shut out from halls of influence, their speech has no power. It's free but useless.

    Both George Soros and a homeless person have same free speech rights. But one has helluva lot more Power Speech than the other.
    The likes of Sheldon Adelson can say outrageous stuff and still be allowed to play kingmaker in politics, but Clancy gets fired over some nonsense on twitter?

    In some ways, the great thing about capitalism is it makes people who are different in views to get along and do business. So, in America and around the world, Christians, Jews, whites, yellows, browns, and etc all can do business for sake of profit.

    But the downside of capitalism is everything has been turned into a matter of profit. Therefore, if something hurts your profit, you are likely to sell your principles to keep the profit.
    Those with the Power Speech has the power to destroy your reputation. Those with only free speech but no power speech can be destroyed and have no way to fight back since the media, government, and etc are all on the side of those with control of Power Speech.

    Also, there is no clear boundary between government and big business in the US. Jews are rich and they favored homos. Rich Jews bought politicians who support 'gay marriage'. US government now have laws that won't hire anyone who's opposed to the homo agenda. US media may be privately owned but they play a big role in who gets elected. So, business affects government. It also affects public support for war.

    California has a law that bans anti-Zionist speech in government. Gee, I wonder if the legal system in California has something to do with the fact that so many politicians and judges have been bought and sold by rich Jews.

    So, our main issue can't only be free speech. We need to discuss Power Speech.
    Who controls Power Speech. What are the taboos used by Power Speech to suppress other forms of power speech, thus rendering them only into 'free speech' that, without power, is useless.

    Power Speech is clumsy.

    Free speech is about what is allowed to be said in the Public Domain. If you are unable to make certain in the public domain because of retaliation, well, then you don’t have free speech.

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  124. Bobby says:

    So? Accusing a Muslim critic of being a Jihadi or a Hamas sympathizer will probably also get you fired by CNN.

    Not because the existence of such people is verboten but becajwe its a loaded charge to be throwing around.

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  125. Lurker says:
    @wonderbread
    We really don't know anything useful about Clancy's work relations at CNN. Odds are this is a case of office politics: a petty conspiracy, not a grand conspiracy.

    In any case, it certainly doesn't speak well for Clancy that he responded on twitter with "hasbara?" The only sorts who do that are indeed loons (like Steven Salaita).

    Maybe but why are we living in an environment where the Israeli government can freely admit that hasbara exit but if anyone else even mentions it they are loon?

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    Every government uses PR but when Israel does, the loons make it out to be something insidious by calling it "hasbara" instead of simply calling it public diplomacy or the official explanation. Whooo . . . can you hear the ghost noises? They do. That's why they're loons.
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  126. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @QB
    He was "Sanchez'd". This happen often now, especially when dealing with SJWs.

    This HAS GOT to be tied to the "free speech" narrative.

    He got Dirty Sanchez’d.

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  127. When I was a kid, at the ballpark the vendors would yell out, “Program, get your program! You can’t tell the players without a program!”

    I am short of cash to pay for one, but can someone share their program?

    What I kinda, sorta get, I suppose, is that this Clancy fellow was trying to say that Hedbo was not anti-Islam but pro-Islam in an oblique, indirect, Western-leftist kind of way, and that the terrorists were ignorant Muslims for going after the wrong guys?

    And then he used a codeword for alleged Israeli propaganda efforts, sorta, kinda hinting that the Muslim terrorists may have been set after Hedbo as part of an Israeli disinformation campaign sending them after the wrong target? Or that the Israeli media propaganda campaign is an analogy to the kind of misdirection that sent the terrorists after Hedbo, whether it came from Israel, Jewish people, or someone entirely different?

    But Clancy got fired because no one at CNN or anyone else could make heads or tails of what he was trying to say, but his remarks were perceived to be on the level of Pat Buchanan’s “Amen corner” remark during the runup to the First Iraq War, for which Buchanan was made to stand in the corner for a very long time out and would have been fired outright if he worked for a mainstream outfit?

    What I need to know is what did the man actually say that is arguably anti-Semitic and hence a firing offense according to our accepted norms of public decency? Is anyone even able to understand what Clancy was saying?

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  128. Lurker says:

    Hasbara sounds all nice and rational, arguing for Israeli polices online etc. How worthy.

    Bollocks.

    It’s organised trolling, churning out red herrings, generally turning comment threads into zoo.

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  129. @Mr. Anon
    "Sam Haysom says:

    The Putin’s payroll gibes are entirely fair play turnabout for the tendency of the counter-AIPAC brigades to cry “Hasbara” the second anyone here objects to excessively over the top Jew-blaming."

    It's fair-play to anyone who has no sense of fair-play. And I don't see a lot of people here objecting to "over-the-top Jew-blaming" so much as prople reflexively objecting to any criticism of Jews at all.

    The governments of Russia and Israel have a certain amount of linkage, so I’m sure the Russians have studied the successes and failures of Israel, so I would hardly be surprised if Russia has some similar hasbara policies.

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  130. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @HA
    I noticed that commenter HA always accuses neocons’ opponents here of being on Putin’s payroll.

    That's all you happened to notice? You didn't notice any of the incessant Kiev-junta-Kiev-junta-Kiev-junta-Nuland-Kaganite chatter that keeps popping up on these threads apropos of nothing, and well in advance of anything I might have to say? That somehow escaped your attention? Why is that, do you think?

    In any case, you are, yet again, incorrect. I accuse those who keep insisting we stay abreast of RT propaganda of being either on Putin's payroll, or else, of being one of his useful idiots. If you're not one, you may well consider yourself as being among the other.

    In terms of what's messed this country up over the last century, a good chunk of it was fomented, supported, or otherwise guided by Moscow. So if some neo-Soviet ex-KGB thug with a new-found fear that the West is his Emmanuel Goldstein wants to fool a bunch of paleo-cons with short-term-memory issues into thinking his propaganda goons are good guys this time around, because they're against gays or Jews or whatever, I'm not falling for it. And if you're willing to be fooled, I'm calling you on it. To the extent that useful idiots of the Hasbara-spinners or Neocons have put this country at risk, they're not the only ones, and I'm not going to forget that.

    OK, wait for it.... if everything goes according to schedule, this is right about the time that some of the water-carrier-alert people show up and accuse me of trying to hijack another thread with Putin issues.

    Kiev junta, Kiev junta, Kiev junta.

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  131. anon says: • Disclaimer

    ” To the extent that useful idiots of the Hasbara-spinners or Neocons have put this country at risk”

    Hold on, did you just call the poor saps who fall for your neocon lies idiots?

    And once again, from the bottom of my heart: junta, junta, junta.

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    Hold on, did you just call the poor saps who fall for your neocon lies idiots?

    Demonstrating yet again, that when a Putin troll says "neocon", all he really means is someone who stands up to Putin and his propaganda monkeys. If someone isn't in Putin's corner, the only possible explanation is that that someone must be a neocon.

    I'm guessing that when you only have two brain cells to rub together, a binary mindset is all you can manage.

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  132. Bobby says:

    A better example: taqiyya is a real Islamic concept but if a CNN anchor responded to a guy from CAIR with “taqiyya?”, he’d probably get fired as well.

    Now, perhaps the difference is that the taqiyya guy may still get a job at some other network (Fox News?) but the hasbara accuser won’t. But the reasons seem pretty above board and self-evident.

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    This is an excellent analogy. Especially if that same guy called someone a cripple in the exchange.

    The same people that pointed out that it made no sense for them to lament the deaths at CH because the writers there hated everything they stood for are now eagerly lining up to defend someone just as disdainful towards paleos because he happened to get drunk and call a Jew a bad name. That's illogical.
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  133. Really says:
    @Priss Factor
    Hi, my name is Heather M.

    Recently, I worked as an intern at CNN. I thought everyone was so nice and kindly, and I became trusting of my bosses and co-workers who seemed so nice.
    One day, they asked me to bring coffee to a certain room. But when I entered, all the people in the room were in ninja suits and masks and soon turned off the light. I was so shocked I couldn't let go of the hot pot of coffee. Soon, they were ripping my clothes off and I was spilling my hot coffee all over them. But they were in such a sexual frenzy that they proceeded to rape me while I spilled more hot coffee all over them.
    After 4, 5, 6, or maybe 12 hrs, they stopped raping me, and I began to feel ink being written all over me and this just went on and on.

    When I finally came to, I was lying naked in the room and when I stood up and looked in the mirror, I was horrified by what had been written all over my body.

    One read:

    "This skankass bitch is racist, fascist, scum bitch who reads stuff on Vdare."

    Another (on my buttock) read:

    "This politically incorrect bitchass ho surely wrote comments at UNZ.COM."

    Another (on my other buttock) read:

    "This is one terrible reactionary whore who, btw, thinks Dennis Dale is a cute scaredy cat."

    I was so traumatized and I sought help and support among my colleagues at CNN, but no one offered any help because they were afraid of being shut of the annual Christmas Party."

    Will someone help me? Please.

    How the heck did this vile nonsense make it past komment kontrol???

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  134. BB753 says:

    Doesn’t the CIA have similar hasbara policies, Steve? Hell, a couple of years ago it was revealed the CIA was bankrolling pro- American European journalists.

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  135. Matra says:

    She’s not a White male. She’s female, and Muslim. Therefore untouchable.

    Whiskey, meet Octavia Nasr.

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  136. wren says:
    @Anon
    "And again, free speech has nothing to do with this. Free speech is about government control of speech, not making an ass of yourself at work and getting fired."

    True.

    The problem is free speech has no value unless it becomes Power Speech.

    Suppose our legal system allows anyone to go into the woods and say anything. Okay, so what good will it do? Will birds and trees care?

    Speech gains meaning and power by being heard by other people. By altering the views of others.

    So, the real issue is Power Speech.

    When certain free speech isn't allowed to become Power Speech, it's useless.

    It's like allowing people to own seeds but not letting them plant. What good are seeds that aren't planted in the soil?

    Free speech is allowed in the US, but much of free speech isn't allowed to become Power Speech due to controls in the government, economic, and cultural systems.
    As certain taboos are upheld by the powerful institutions, anyone who dares challenges the taboo are economically, politically, and otherwise destroyed. They still have free speech, but as the are shut out from halls of influence, their speech has no power. It's free but useless.

    Both George Soros and a homeless person have same free speech rights. But one has helluva lot more Power Speech than the other.
    The likes of Sheldon Adelson can say outrageous stuff and still be allowed to play kingmaker in politics, but Clancy gets fired over some nonsense on twitter?

    In some ways, the great thing about capitalism is it makes people who are different in views to get along and do business. So, in America and around the world, Christians, Jews, whites, yellows, browns, and etc all can do business for sake of profit.

    But the downside of capitalism is everything has been turned into a matter of profit. Therefore, if something hurts your profit, you are likely to sell your principles to keep the profit.
    Those with the Power Speech has the power to destroy your reputation. Those with only free speech but no power speech can be destroyed and have no way to fight back since the media, government, and etc are all on the side of those with control of Power Speech.

    Also, there is no clear boundary between government and big business in the US. Jews are rich and they favored homos. Rich Jews bought politicians who support 'gay marriage'. US government now have laws that won't hire anyone who's opposed to the homo agenda. US media may be privately owned but they play a big role in who gets elected. So, business affects government. It also affects public support for war.

    California has a law that bans anti-Zionist speech in government. Gee, I wonder if the legal system in California has something to do with the fact that so many politicians and judges have been bought and sold by rich Jews.

    So, our main issue can't only be free speech. We need to discuss Power Speech.
    Who controls Power Speech. What are the taboos used by Power Speech to suppress other forms of power speech, thus rendering them only into 'free speech' that, without power, is useless.

    Both George Soros and a homeless person have same free speech rights. But one has helluva lot more Power Speech than the other.

    The Daily Mail tells me today that Soros funded the Ferguson brouhaha. I don’t have time to see if that is really true, but it seems plausible.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2913625/Billionaire-George-Soros-spent-33MILLION-bankrolling-Ferguson-demonstrators-create-echo-chamber-drive-national-protests.html

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  137. Harold says:
    @anon
    "Do the Sanchez’s, Olsons, Thomases, Gibsons, Clancy’s, just hit some point that they can’t take it anymore and blurt out their true feelings? But how could they keep it so under wraps for so many years?"

    Everyone starts out with conventional beliefs. I did. We all watched TV and read the papers. It takes people many years to develop some skepticism about what they're being told.

    This can’t be right. I am constantly told that people like you only believe what you do because you are ignorant, closed-minded, and bigoted. Bigoted, according to my dictionary, means: “having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one’s own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others.” Now you’re trying to suggest to me that you listened to the beliefs of others, became more informed, considered alternative opinions, and came to believe those alternative opinions were superior to your original opinions?

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  138. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    What surprises me is NO ONE in the media is coming to Clancy’s defense.

    Whatever happened to professional courtesy, unity, and solidarity?

    I think if a journalist got fired for making ‘commie’ statement, he or she would be championed by many as a victim of neo-McCarthyism.

    But if you get fired for making a statement that Jews or homos don’t like, you are all alone.

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    http://archive.mrc.org/biasbasics/biasbasics.asp

    Journalists are a highly left-leaning group.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2013/04/12/media-describe-call-for-more-christian-reporters-as-anti-jewish/

    The average journalist thinks of themselves as an "advocate", or worse an "activist" "change agent". They don't see themselves as a "dispassionate observer" or "just the facts ma'am"
    , @donut
    A priest a doctor and a lawyer went on a fishing trip together . A sudden squall came up and the boat ran up on a submerged rock just a few dozen yards (I ain't no Euro weeny, I don't use meters) away from a small island . The doctor decided to swim ashore . No sooner had he jumped in the water than a shark came up and ate him.
    The priest and the lawyer were horrified at this but allowed that the shark did have his own valid cultural values , they were after all good members in standing with the diversity community. After a few minutes the angry seas caused the boat to slip further into the water . The priest reasoned , not unreasonably, that as he was a man of God he would certainly be able to make it ashore. Alas his faith was misplaced and he too was gobbled up.
    The lawyer was panic stricken . I believe he soiled himself. A few moments later the boat began to slip beneath the waves, with no choice the lawyer hurled himself into the sea certain that he was about to meet the maker he had hitherto denied. Instead something rose beneath him , lifted him up and propelled him to the shore . The lawyer in disbelief realized his saviour had been a shark . As he scuttled away the lawyer asked the shark "why did you save me when you ate the doctor and priest?"The shark replied "professional courtesy".
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  139. Blobby5 says:

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  140. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    It’s not just Hasbara but everyone with a tale to sell or spin that tries to influence public opinion, US government, Russians, oil-rich Arabs and other foreign nations. Don’t forget about those who merely want some money and are trying to sell something. I feel like I’m living in the biggest bordello on the planet.

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    Maybe you can be the white James Brown. He was raised in a whore house too.
    , @donut
    Here's a training video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juTeHsKPWhY
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  141. Maj. Kong says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "SFG says:

    Yeah, pretty much. I think the whole ‘never again’ thing gets blown into ‘we must completely suppress anyone who starts to criticize us’.

    I just wish people would quit denying the Holocaust. I mean, doesn’t it explain pretty well the paranoid behavior you’re seeing here?"

    I remember a time when the German's mass-murder of Jews was not called by the - by now, virtually trademarked - name of "The Holocaust". It was however nearly universally recognized (other than by a few neo-nazis) as a historical fact and a horrendous crime, even by people who didn't particularly like Jews. Yes, it is deplorable that some people deny it. But does that justify paranoia? Well, it might justify your paranoia to you, but don't expect that gentiles should think that it justifies it to us.

    I am, by now, pretty well fed-up with the tendency of many Jews to view all of us as incipient nazi murderers, especially in the US - a nation that sacrificed several hundred thousand of its own men to fight Nazi Germany. If that is not cause for gratitude, I don't know what is. And I would point out that given the prevalent attitudes toward Jews prior to WWII, it is the case that far more people who would today be called anti-semites died fighting nazisim than did Jews. But does this count for anything now?

    Jews have a broad influence, disproportionate to their numbers, in my country, in its government, its financial and legal establishment, and in the media. I have a legitimate right to notice that fact and to be concerned with it's implications for me and mine. ...

    It’s the influence of the “civil rights revolution”. The term ‘holocaust’ means burnt offering, and is frequently mentioned in the Old Testament. It is seen in post-Civil Rights era history, as being the offering to the new liberal world order. In Jewish history, it’s called the Shoah, meaning “calamity”

    Interestingly, the Arabs call the foundation of Israel the Nabka, which means a similar thing.

    I do not really understand the purpose of Holocaust denial. The point of Nazism is to remove Jews from society, and for some reason the Neo-Nazis deny it rather than what they would presumably want Round 2. The other source of denial, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, seems to have lost his stature in Iran. There appears to be a belief that the Holocaust is somehow the reason for Israel’s existence, which is highly ahistorical.

    The average American Jew is descended from Russian emigrants during a series of pogroms in the 1880s. They further lived in the large cities, and rarely became farmers. Out of 1960s urban crime, we got neoconservatism. Paranoia might partly be a learned behavior, or also a trait that was selected for over thousands of years. If the non-paranoid Jews got offed in the pogroms, only the paranoid remain.

    I don’t now how paranoid Israeli Jews are, they exist in a tough neighborhood, and fought several wars against their neighbors, but they importantly won those wars. The Iran issue doesn’t seem to have as much pull for the Israeli public as it does for Western neoconservatives. Their former JCS equivalent spoke out against an attack on Iran some time ago.

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  142. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The advertising-supported US media is exceptionally sensitive to the needs and demands of business. Controversy usually doesn’t make business happy. Sometimes I think all of the media, including the “news” has become advertising.

    One reason sites like Steve Sailer’s site are so much better than what the media puts out is Steve can actually look at, you know, news and patterns in the news, without thinking about the business/political ramifications of every sentence.

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    A big problem in the 21st Century has been the relative decline of media revenue from subscriptions relative to advertising. Subscription payment gave you a cushion of loyalists that would allow you to diverge from society's consensus.
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  143. @Svigor
    What's your problem, Steve? This guy clearly ran afoul of the Cripple Mafia and paid the price. Move along, there's nothing to see here...

    What’s your problem, Steve? This guy clearly ran afoul of the Cripple Mafia and paid the price. Move along, there’s nothing to see here…

    Funny, isn’t it, that the cripple mafia, the lavender mafia, and the Israeli mafia all have the same names?

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  144. @Bobby
    A better example: taqiyya is a real Islamic concept but if a CNN anchor responded to a guy from CAIR with "taqiyya?", he'd probably get fired as well.

    Now, perhaps the difference is that the taqiyya guy may still get a job at some other network (Fox News?) but the hasbara accuser won't. But the reasons seem pretty above board and self-evident.

    This is an excellent analogy. Especially if that same guy called someone a cripple in the exchange.

    The same people that pointed out that it made no sense for them to lament the deaths at CH because the writers there hated everything they stood for are now eagerly lining up to defend someone just as disdainful towards paleos because he happened to get drunk and call a Jew a bad name. That’s illogical.

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  145. Maj. Kong says:
    @Anon
    What surprises me is NO ONE in the media is coming to Clancy's defense.

    Whatever happened to professional courtesy, unity, and solidarity?

    I think if a journalist got fired for making 'commie' statement, he or she would be championed by many as a victim of neo-McCarthyism.

    But if you get fired for making a statement that Jews or homos don't like, you are all alone.

    http://archive.mrc.org/biasbasics/biasbasics.asp

    Journalists are a highly left-leaning group.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2013/04/12/media-describe-call-for-more-christian-reporters-as-anti-jewish/

    The average journalist thinks of themselves as an “advocate”, or worse an “activist” “change agent”. They don’t see themselves as a “dispassionate observer” or “just the facts ma’am”

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  146. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “But, in the end, they know that they’re a family and must stick together.

    It’s difficult to even imagine such a thing among whites.”

    There was a time when whites in the US thought of themselves as belonging to the “American” family. Then “American” apparently become property of the world or the judiciary or something. Seems to be happening throughout the West. Maybe the individual-oriented Enlightenment only works given certain demographic conditions (like a relatively tolerant and open society). Perhaps we are near a tipping point where the Enlightenment cannot stand up to old-time religion (and I mainly mean the social and group aspects of religion, not theology).

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  147. donut says:
    @anonymous
    It's not just Hasbara but everyone with a tale to sell or spin that tries to influence public opinion, US government, Russians, oil-rich Arabs and other foreign nations. Don't forget about those who merely want some money and are trying to sell something. I feel like I'm living in the biggest bordello on the planet.

    Maybe you can be the white James Brown. He was raised in a whore house too.

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  148. donut says:
    @Really
    How the heck did this vile nonsense make it past komment kontrol???

    How can you be so insensitive ?

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  149. @anonymous
    The advertising-supported US media is exceptionally sensitive to the needs and demands of business. Controversy usually doesn't make business happy. Sometimes I think all of the media, including the "news" has become advertising.

    One reason sites like Steve Sailer's site are so much better than what the media puts out is Steve can actually look at, you know, news and patterns in the news, without thinking about the business/political ramifications of every sentence.

    A big problem in the 21st Century has been the relative decline of media revenue from subscriptions relative to advertising. Subscription payment gave you a cushion of loyalists that would allow you to diverge from society’s consensus.

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    I stopped paying for a subscription to the Atlantic when William Langewiesche left and they kept sending it to me for almost 4 years.
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  150. @Mr. Anon
    "Sam Haysom says:

    The Putin’s payroll gibes are entirely fair play turnabout for the tendency of the counter-AIPAC brigades to cry “Hasbara” the second anyone here objects to excessively over the top Jew-blaming."

    It's fair-play to anyone who has no sense of fair-play. And I don't see a lot of people here objecting to "over-the-top Jew-blaming" so much as prople reflexively objecting to any criticism of Jews at all.

    The poster who inspires about 80 percent of the “hasbara” push back here, Svigor, is complete open in his complete hatred for and bitterness towards all Jews solely on the basis of their being Jewish.

    I don’t like any dual allegiances and leap-frogging loyalities. But when comparing Israel fans to Russia fans it is hard to miss the fact that the Russophiles are far more open in their contempt for the west, their eagerness to see the West “humiliated”‘or freeze to death, and panygerics to a nation that until twenty years ago was committed to the destruction of our nation.

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    "I don’t like any dual allegiances and leap-frogging loyalities. But when comparing Israel fans to Russia fans it is hard to miss the fact that the Russophiles are far more open in their contempt for the west, their eagerness to see the West “humiliated”‘or freeze to death, and panygerics to a nation that until twenty years ago was committed to the destruction of our nation."

    I'd say the difference is that the political leadership of the Soviets/Russians was committed to confrontation/destruction. The support for this at the deckplate level of society was uneven at best and had to be enforced from the top down.

    This is evident in that upon the collapse of the Soviet Union, hostilities emanating from their side (and ours, for a while) ceased immediately.

    I guess the case that Svigor makes, and I'm not endorsing it, is that this is unlike the Jews, that they have internalized this hostility/confrontation as individuals and voluntarily act upon it no matter what political regime they may be living under.

    Izzat about it, Svigor?

    , @iSteveFan

    I don’t like any dual allegiances and leap-frogging loyalities. But when comparing Israel fans to Russia fans it is hard to miss the fact that the Russophiles are far more open in their contempt for the west, their eagerness to see the West “humiliated”‘or freeze to death, and panygerics to a nation that until twenty years ago was committed to the destruction of our nation.
     
    Really? I suppose attacking the EU and current ruling elite of the US is anti-Western. Does it make one anti-Western if one is against mass immigration and all the other culture-changing items they push? If cultural marxists essentially take over the levers of power in the West, does that mean we must support their worldview or be considered anti-Western?

    The real contrast between paleos and neocons vis-a-vis Europe/Europeans is how paleos genuinely have affinity for all European peoples, while neocons do not. This is not surprising because paleocons generally seem to be the ones who promote European culture, civilization, and its peoples while neocons do not. Neocons are more interested in world domination, and it matters little who populates their empire. That is why neocons show little concern with the current ruling elite of Europe and the USA, even though they are on course to make those places less European. So long as they are for world domination, they are A-OK.

    Neocons betray their lack of sympathy in their language towards Europeans as well. Was it not neocons who contemplated 'crushing some Serb skulls' in 1999? Was it not neocons who described the French, who refused to join our Iraq Attack, as 'cheese-eating surrender monkeys'? And it isn't paloes who think lowly of Russians and other Slavs. And it most certainly wasn't the antecedents of the paleocons who created the vicious 'polack' jokes.

    To be fair, neocons probably do have more concern for Albanians and Bosniaks than paleos. But other than that I'd say paleos are more concerned about Europe and European peoples than neocons.

    To me that makes paleos more pro-Western than neocons.

    , @ben tillman

    The poster who inspires about 80 percent of the “hasbara” push back here, Svigor, is complete open in his complete hatred for and bitterness towards all Jews solely on the basis of their being Jewish.
     
    You don't seem to be able to observe things objectively. That's a ludicrous mischaracterization of Svigor's perspective.
    , @Anon
    "I don’t like any dual allegiances and leap-frogging loyalities. But when comparing Israel fans to Russia fans it is hard to miss the fact that the Russophiles are far more open in their contempt for the west, their eagerness to see the West “humiliated”‘or freeze to death..."

    Russia is only retaliating for having its economy destroyed. Russia didn't want any hostility with the West. Jews in West instigated it.

    Also, Russians didn't press US for amnesty. Russians didn't spread anti-white propaganda in the West. Russians didn't promote interracism in the West. (Maybe the Old Soviet Union did, but it's long gone.)

    And we hold the West in contempt because it's no longer the West. The new West is anti-West and in suicidal mode.

    We don't agree or like much of Russia and Russian politics, but we at least agree with Russian conviction that Russia is for Russians. Even that much isn't allowed in the New West. White Britons and white French cannot say Britain is for white Britons and France is for white French.

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  151. donut says:
    @Steve Sailer
    A big problem in the 21st Century has been the relative decline of media revenue from subscriptions relative to advertising. Subscription payment gave you a cushion of loyalists that would allow you to diverge from society's consensus.

    I stopped paying for a subscription to the Atlantic when William Langewiesche left and they kept sending it to me for almost 4 years.

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    I stopped paying for a subscription to the Atlantic when William Langewiesche left and they kept sending it to me for almost 4 years.
     
    The should have renamed it The Atlantis.
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  152. iSteveFan says:
    @Sam Haysom
    The Putin's payroll gibes are entirely fair play turnabout for the tendency of the counter-AIPAC brigades to cry "Hasbara" the second anyone here objects to excessively over the top Jew-blaming.

    Both Israel and Putin's Russia are well known for using devoted and compensated posters to promote their interest. You can't only criticize Israel for this and then get upset when someone turns the tables. A good solution might be for paleocons to stop being so devoted to and defensive about a foreign country with nuclear weapons pointed at the USA like Russia but that is as likely as Poedhoertz turning on Israel.

    A good solution might be for paleocons to stop being so devoted to and defensive about a foreign country with nuclear weapons pointed at the USA like Russia but that is as likely as Poedhoertz turning on Israel.

    I don’t know if you are ignorant, or just being obtuse. How can you not see the difference between neocons and their position on Israel and paleos on Russia is amazing. On one hand, neocons require that one supports POSITIVE American intervention concerning Israel, which includes the continuation of the direct $3 billion annual subsidy, guaranteed loans, guaranteed vetos of anti-Israeli resolutions at the UN, free access to our markets, access to our intel, and other things. If one does not support this, one is labeled an anti-semite and is treated as an enemy. See Patrick Buchanan.

    Contrast this to the so-called Russian supporters. What do they promote? Do they promote giving Russian billions of dollars per year? Do they support giving Russia a free trade arrangement? No, they really don’t advocate anything POSITIVE for Russia other than to leave them alone. And the people they clash with are not people who refuse to help Russia, but people who advocate using American power to hurt Russia.

    Contrast that with the neocons where you either support Israel 100%, or you are anti-Israel.

    How anyone can equate these two positions is surprising.

    PS. As for me, I am not Russian, have never been to Russia, have never met a Russian, don’t speak Russian, and up until the ending of the Cold War, routinely cheered whenever I saw Russians killed in combat or beaten in the Olympics. Even watching WW2 documentaries, I found myself rooting for the Germans on the Eastern Front. In fact had I expressed the same hatred towards Israelis that I did for Russians, I’d have been labeled an anti-semite and probably never been allowed to work at a reputable job. Of course, I received no blowback for my negative Russian beliefs.

    However, I no longer harbor such ethnic hatred of the Russians and actually wish them well and hope they can re-Christianize. As I’ve grown older and seen the damage that cultural marxism has done to my nation, I am a little more sympathetic to the nightmarish 20th century that they went through. This doesn’t mean I want to send the money, or fight their battles. But it does mean I don’t want to fight them while my nation has bigger fish to fry at home. For this view, I am routinely called a Putin apologist on many blogs.

    As for my views on Israel, I know Israelis, am familiar with their military exploits and economic prowess, and respect what they have done with that piece of real estate. In effect I look upon them almost like I do the other nations in the Anglosphere since they are so similar. However, I don’t support continuing to give them money, and I don’t wish to have the US hitch its foreign policy automatically to their positions without considering what is in the best interest of my nation. For this view I am routinely labeled an anti-semite on blogs.

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    Let me develop your point about positive action. I'm not a paid Putin troll, but imagine for a moment that I'm something even more upsetting to the Hasbara brigade than that - that I am Vladimir Vladimirovich himself. Talking though a translator. And not at some obscure blog, but in the New York Times, for example. This isn't far-fetched - the Times once published a letter of his. What would I argue for?

    Financial aid? Not in a million years. Putin would consider that extremely undignified. Would I ask for the US government to adopt my position on gay pride parades and gay marriage? To ask that question is to answer it. He's never shown any sign of caring about who puts what into whom in America. Would I ask for America to fight Russia's wars? Are you kidding me?

    Putin's arguments would instead revolve around a diplomatic version of "leave us alone". The US has the Monroe Doctrine in regards to Latin America. The Ukraine is a lot closer to Russia in every way than any Latin American country is to the US.

    In other words, Putin himself has never asked, and would never ask for any positive action form the US. His impossible wish list starts and ends with "leave us alone".

    , @Anonymous
    Well said +1
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  153. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Sam Haysom
    The poster who inspires about 80 percent of the "hasbara" push back here, Svigor, is complete open in his complete hatred for and bitterness towards all Jews solely on the basis of their being Jewish.

    I don't like any dual allegiances and leap-frogging loyalities. But when comparing Israel fans to Russia fans it is hard to miss the fact that the Russophiles are far more open in their contempt for the west, their eagerness to see the West "humiliated"'or freeze to death, and panygerics to a nation that until twenty years ago was committed to the destruction of our nation.

    “I don’t like any dual allegiances and leap-frogging loyalities. But when comparing Israel fans to Russia fans it is hard to miss the fact that the Russophiles are far more open in their contempt for the west, their eagerness to see the West “humiliated”‘or freeze to death, and panygerics to a nation that until twenty years ago was committed to the destruction of our nation.”

    I’d say the difference is that the political leadership of the Soviets/Russians was committed to confrontation/destruction. The support for this at the deckplate level of society was uneven at best and had to be enforced from the top down.

    This is evident in that upon the collapse of the Soviet Union, hostilities emanating from their side (and ours, for a while) ceased immediately.

    I guess the case that Svigor makes, and I’m not endorsing it, is that this is unlike the Jews, that they have internalized this hostility/confrontation as individuals and voluntarily act upon it no matter what political regime they may be living under.

    Izzat about it, Svigor?

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  154. SFG says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "SFG says:

    Yeah, pretty much. I think the whole ‘never again’ thing gets blown into ‘we must completely suppress anyone who starts to criticize us’.

    I just wish people would quit denying the Holocaust. I mean, doesn’t it explain pretty well the paranoid behavior you’re seeing here?"

    I remember a time when the German's mass-murder of Jews was not called by the - by now, virtually trademarked - name of "The Holocaust". It was however nearly universally recognized (other than by a few neo-nazis) as a historical fact and a horrendous crime, even by people who didn't particularly like Jews. Yes, it is deplorable that some people deny it. But does that justify paranoia? Well, it might justify your paranoia to you, but don't expect that gentiles should think that it justifies it to us.

    I am, by now, pretty well fed-up with the tendency of many Jews to view all of us as incipient nazi murderers, especially in the US - a nation that sacrificed several hundred thousand of its own men to fight Nazi Germany. If that is not cause for gratitude, I don't know what is. And I would point out that given the prevalent attitudes toward Jews prior to WWII, it is the case that far more people who would today be called anti-semites died fighting nazisim than did Jews. But does this count for anything now?

    Jews have a broad influence, disproportionate to their numbers, in my country, in its government, its financial and legal establishment, and in the media. I have a legitimate right to notice that fact and to be concerned with it's implications for me and mine. ...

    No, the paranoia’s not because people deny the Holocaust, it’s because of the act itself. Someone killing a few million of your relatives wouldn’t make you wary? We see Ukrainians (and Eastern Europeans in general) suspicious of the whole left after Stalin offed a few million of them, don’t we?

    Anyway, no, I don’t think most Americans are incipient mass murderers, though I’m not so sure about some of the people on here. ;) Heck, I don’t even think most Germans were incipient mass murderers in 1933, Hitler had to sneak around quite a bit and invent all sorts of lies…and once things got started, nobody was really going to speak out and wind up as soap themselves.

    As for Russia’s hasbara (or whatever the word is in Russian), isn’t that a well-known thing by now?

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/11/inside-putins-campaign-of-social-media-trolling-and-faked-ukrainian-crimes/

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/10/russias-online-comment-propaganda-army/280432/

    http://www.ukrainianwinnipeg.ca/russian-propaganda-works-social-media/

    Lefty sites in many cases, of course…but do you really think the heirs of the KGB *wouldn’t* use every available technology to push their case?

    Mr. Haysom:

    And yes, I agree, the Russophiles seem to enjoy kicking the West around, whereas the Zionists are only interested in building up Israel. However, there is a natural antagonism between Russia and America–both great powers–whereas Israel’s success doesn’t necessarily mean America has to fail. (If anything, a strong America is good for them.) A parasite doesn’t necessarily want to kill its host.

    Still, Israel’s pretty much a millstone around America’s neck at this point. And whatever you think of Russia, reducing them to penury has the small but nonzero possibility of going really, really bad (read: nuclear weapons).

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    Anyway, no, I don’t think most Americans are incipient mass murderers, though I’m not so sure about some of the people on here. ;) Heck, I don’t even think most Germans were incipient mass murderers in 1933, Hitler had to sneak around quite a bit and invent all sorts of lies
     
    One should bear in mind that Hitler did not engage in the mass-murder of German Jews during the period 1933-39.Furthermore, when he did implement his plans for exterminating European Jewry during the period 1941-45, the killing was done outside of Germany.

    …and once things got started, nobody was really going to speak out and wind up as soap themselves.
     

    In the 20th century, there have been various alleged instances of soap being made from human body fat. During World War II it was believed that soap was being mass-produced from the bodies of the victims of Nazi concentration camps located in German-occupied Poland.

    The Yad Vashem Memorial has stated that the Nazis did not produce soap from Jewish corpses on an industrial scale, saying that rumors that soap from human corpses was being mass-produced and distributed were used by the Nazis to frighten camp inmates.[1][2][3]

    Evidence does exist that German researchers had developed a process for the semi-industrial production of soap from human bodies.[4][5] The production of soap from human bodies by Nazis on small scale was confirmed in 2006.[6]

    The idea that "human soap" was manufactured on an industrial scale by the Nazis was published after the war by Alain Resnais, who treated the testimony of Holocaust survivors as fact in his noted 1955 holocaust documentary movie Nuit et brouillard. Some postwar Israelis also referred disdainfully to Jewish victims of Nazism with the Hebrew word סבון (sabon, "soap").[18]

    Though evidence does exist of small-scale soap production, possibly experimental, in the camp at Stutthof concentration camp near Danzig/Gdansk,[19] mainstream scholars of the Holocaust consider the idea that the Nazis manufactured soap on an industrial scale to be part of World War II folklore.[1][2][3][20][21][22][23] Historian Israel Gutman has stated that "it was never done on a mass scale".[19] In Hitler's Death Camps: The Sanity of Madness Konnilyn Feig concludes that the Nazis "did indeed use human fat for the making of soap at Stutthof," albeit in limited quantity. Holocaust historian Robert Melvin Spector writes that "her analysis seems sound, given the known fact that the S.S. used everything it could obtain from its prisoners", including hair, skin and bones.[24]

    In 2006 a sample of the soap archived at the International Court of Justice in The Hague was given for analysis to Andrzej Stołyhwo, an expert in the chemistry of fats from the Gdansk University of Technology in Poland. He concluded that some of the fat in the sample tested was of human origin. The sample of soap had previously been used as evidence in the post-World War II Nuremberg trials, but at the time the technology was unavailable to determine whether the soap had been produced from human fat. The human remains used to make the soap were believed to have been brought from Kaliningrad, Bydgoszcz and Stutthof concentration camp.[25][26]

     

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  155. donut says:
    @Anon
    What surprises me is NO ONE in the media is coming to Clancy's defense.

    Whatever happened to professional courtesy, unity, and solidarity?

    I think if a journalist got fired for making 'commie' statement, he or she would be championed by many as a victim of neo-McCarthyism.

    But if you get fired for making a statement that Jews or homos don't like, you are all alone.

    A priest a doctor and a lawyer went on a fishing trip together . A sudden squall came up and the boat ran up on a submerged rock just a few dozen yards (I ain’t no Euro weeny, I don’t use meters) away from a small island . The doctor decided to swim ashore . No sooner had he jumped in the water than a shark came up and ate him.
    The priest and the lawyer were horrified at this but allowed that the shark did have his own valid cultural values , they were after all good members in standing with the diversity community. After a few minutes the angry seas caused the boat to slip further into the water . The priest reasoned , not unreasonably, that as he was a man of God he would certainly be able to make it ashore. Alas his faith was misplaced and he too was gobbled up.
    The lawyer was panic stricken . I believe he soiled himself. A few moments later the boat began to slip beneath the waves, with no choice the lawyer hurled himself into the sea certain that he was about to meet the maker he had hitherto denied. Instead something rose beneath him , lifted him up and propelled him to the shore . The lawyer in disbelief realized his saviour had been a shark . As he scuttled away the lawyer asked the shark “why did you save me when you ate the doctor and priest?”The shark replied “professional courtesy”.

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  156. Watch “hasbara” become Bob Whitaker’s new mantra. Anti-hasbara is a code word for…er…well…never mind.

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  158. donut says:
    @anonymous
    It's not just Hasbara but everyone with a tale to sell or spin that tries to influence public opinion, US government, Russians, oil-rich Arabs and other foreign nations. Don't forget about those who merely want some money and are trying to sell something. I feel like I'm living in the biggest bordello on the planet.

    Here’s a training video :

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  159. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I wonder if Jay Ruderman was outraged when Obama, on The Tonight Show, joked that in a recent bowling outing his poor performance was like something out of the Special Olympics.

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  160. syonredux says:
    @SFG
    No, the paranoia's not because people deny the Holocaust, it's because of the act itself. Someone killing a few million of your relatives wouldn't make you wary? We see Ukrainians (and Eastern Europeans in general) suspicious of the whole left after Stalin offed a few million of them, don't we?

    Anyway, no, I don't think most Americans are incipient mass murderers, though I'm not so sure about some of the people on here. ;) Heck, I don't even think most Germans were incipient mass murderers in 1933, Hitler had to sneak around quite a bit and invent all sorts of lies...and once things got started, nobody was really going to speak out and wind up as soap themselves.

    As for Russia's hasbara (or whatever the word is in Russian), isn't that a well-known thing by now?

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/11/inside-putins-campaign-of-social-media-trolling-and-faked-ukrainian-crimes/
    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/10/russias-online-comment-propaganda-army/280432/
    http://www.ukrainianwinnipeg.ca/russian-propaganda-works-social-media/


    Lefty sites in many cases, of course...but do you really think the heirs of the KGB *wouldn't* use every available technology to push their case?

    Mr. Haysom:

    And yes, I agree, the Russophiles seem to enjoy kicking the West around, whereas the Zionists are only interested in building up Israel. However, there is a natural antagonism between Russia and America--both great powers--whereas Israel's success doesn't necessarily mean America has to fail. (If anything, a strong America is good for them.) A parasite doesn't necessarily want to kill its host.

    Still, Israel's pretty much a millstone around America's neck at this point. And whatever you think of Russia, reducing them to penury has the small but nonzero possibility of going really, really bad (read: nuclear weapons).

    Anyway, no, I don’t think most Americans are incipient mass murderers, though I’m not so sure about some of the people on here. ;) Heck, I don’t even think most Germans were incipient mass murderers in 1933, Hitler had to sneak around quite a bit and invent all sorts of lies

    One should bear in mind that Hitler did not engage in the mass-murder of German Jews during the period 1933-39.Furthermore, when he did implement his plans for exterminating European Jewry during the period 1941-45, the killing was done outside of Germany.

    …and once things got started, nobody was really going to speak out and wind up as soap themselves.

    In the 20th century, there have been various alleged instances of soap being made from human body fat. During World War II it was believed that soap was being mass-produced from the bodies of the victims of Nazi concentration camps located in German-occupied Poland.

    The Yad Vashem Memorial has stated that the Nazis did not produce soap from Jewish corpses on an industrial scale, saying that rumors that soap from human corpses was being mass-produced and distributed were used by the Nazis to frighten camp inmates.[1][2][3]

    Evidence does exist that German researchers had developed a process for the semi-industrial production of soap from human bodies.[4][5] The production of soap from human bodies by Nazis on small scale was confirmed in 2006.[6]

    The idea that “human soap” was manufactured on an industrial scale by the Nazis was published after the war by Alain Resnais, who treated the testimony of Holocaust survivors as fact in his noted 1955 holocaust documentary movie Nuit et brouillard. Some postwar Israelis also referred disdainfully to Jewish victims of Nazism with the Hebrew word סבון (sabon, “soap”).[18]

    Though evidence does exist of small-scale soap production, possibly experimental, in the camp at Stutthof concentration camp near Danzig/Gdansk,[19] mainstream scholars of the Holocaust consider the idea that the Nazis manufactured soap on an industrial scale to be part of World War II folklore.[1][2][3][20][21][22][23] Historian Israel Gutman has stated that “it was never done on a mass scale”.[19] In Hitler’s Death Camps: The Sanity of Madness Konnilyn Feig concludes that the Nazis “did indeed use human fat for the making of soap at Stutthof,” albeit in limited quantity. Holocaust historian Robert Melvin Spector writes that “her analysis seems sound, given the known fact that the S.S. used everything it could obtain from its prisoners”, including hair, skin and bones.[24]

    In 2006 a sample of the soap archived at the International Court of Justice in The Hague was given for analysis to Andrzej Stołyhwo, an expert in the chemistry of fats from the Gdansk University of Technology in Poland. He concluded that some of the fat in the sample tested was of human origin. The sample of soap had previously been used as evidence in the post-World War II Nuremberg trials, but at the time the technology was unavailable to determine whether the soap had been produced from human fat. The human remains used to make the soap were believed to have been brought from Kaliningrad, Bydgoszcz and Stutthof concentration camp.[25][26]

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  161. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @iSteveFan

    A good solution might be for paleocons to stop being so devoted to and defensive about a foreign country with nuclear weapons pointed at the USA like Russia but that is as likely as Poedhoertz turning on Israel.
     
    I don't know if you are ignorant, or just being obtuse. How can you not see the difference between neocons and their position on Israel and paleos on Russia is amazing. On one hand, neocons require that one supports POSITIVE American intervention concerning Israel, which includes the continuation of the direct $3 billion annual subsidy, guaranteed loans, guaranteed vetos of anti-Israeli resolutions at the UN, free access to our markets, access to our intel, and other things. If one does not support this, one is labeled an anti-semite and is treated as an enemy. See Patrick Buchanan.

    Contrast this to the so-called Russian supporters. What do they promote? Do they promote giving Russian billions of dollars per year? Do they support giving Russia a free trade arrangement? No, they really don't advocate anything POSITIVE for Russia other than to leave them alone. And the people they clash with are not people who refuse to help Russia, but people who advocate using American power to hurt Russia.

    Contrast that with the neocons where you either support Israel 100%, or you are anti-Israel.

    How anyone can equate these two positions is surprising.

    PS. As for me, I am not Russian, have never been to Russia, have never met a Russian, don't speak Russian, and up until the ending of the Cold War, routinely cheered whenever I saw Russians killed in combat or beaten in the Olympics. Even watching WW2 documentaries, I found myself rooting for the Germans on the Eastern Front. In fact had I expressed the same hatred towards Israelis that I did for Russians, I'd have been labeled an anti-semite and probably never been allowed to work at a reputable job. Of course, I received no blowback for my negative Russian beliefs.

    However, I no longer harbor such ethnic hatred of the Russians and actually wish them well and hope they can re-Christianize. As I've grown older and seen the damage that cultural marxism has done to my nation, I am a little more sympathetic to the nightmarish 20th century that they went through. This doesn't mean I want to send the money, or fight their battles. But it does mean I don't want to fight them while my nation has bigger fish to fry at home. For this view, I am routinely called a Putin apologist on many blogs.

    As for my views on Israel, I know Israelis, am familiar with their military exploits and economic prowess, and respect what they have done with that piece of real estate. In effect I look upon them almost like I do the other nations in the Anglosphere since they are so similar. However, I don't support continuing to give them money, and I don't wish to have the US hitch its foreign policy automatically to their positions without considering what is in the best interest of my nation. For this view I am routinely labeled an anti-semite on blogs.

    Let me develop your point about positive action. I’m not a paid Putin troll, but imagine for a moment that I’m something even more upsetting to the Hasbara brigade than that – that I am Vladimir Vladimirovich himself. Talking though a translator. And not at some obscure blog, but in the New York Times, for example. This isn’t far-fetched – the Times once published a letter of his. What would I argue for?

    Financial aid? Not in a million years. Putin would consider that extremely undignified. Would I ask for the US government to adopt my position on gay pride parades and gay marriage? To ask that question is to answer it. He’s never shown any sign of caring about who puts what into whom in America. Would I ask for America to fight Russia’s wars? Are you kidding me?

    Putin’s arguments would instead revolve around a diplomatic version of “leave us alone”. The US has the Monroe Doctrine in regards to Latin America. The Ukraine is a lot closer to Russia in every way than any Latin American country is to the US.

    In other words, Putin himself has never asked, and would never ask for any positive action form the US. His impossible wish list starts and ends with “leave us alone”.

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    "'Putin’s arguments would instead revolve around a diplomatic version of “leave us alone”'

    No, it used to be that. Then, it was leave "us and Crimea alone", and after that it was leave "us and Crimea and Donetsk", and after that it was "you know, I could take Poland in two weeks". And after that, it was "actually, there was nothing all that bad about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact". For that matter, he has yet to voice any problem with much of anything the Soviet Union did. So if you think that all adds up to a policy of him not willing to toss a wrench into this or that -- whether it's fracking or some gas pipeline (just like what happened with some bombs being tossed into a certain Russian apartment complex) -- then you're more of a useful idiot than you give yourself credit for. If you're not getting paid for shoveling that out, well, that's pretty much what it's worth.

    And maybe I missed this in history class, but if Monroe ever extended his Doctrine so as to mean he could swipe away chunks of a neighboring country whose territorial integrity he had two decades previously obligated himself to respect, in exchange for their relinquishment of nukes, I would not consider that to have been America's finest hour.
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  162. iSteveFan says:
    @Sam Haysom
    The poster who inspires about 80 percent of the "hasbara" push back here, Svigor, is complete open in his complete hatred for and bitterness towards all Jews solely on the basis of their being Jewish.

    I don't like any dual allegiances and leap-frogging loyalities. But when comparing Israel fans to Russia fans it is hard to miss the fact that the Russophiles are far more open in their contempt for the west, their eagerness to see the West "humiliated"'or freeze to death, and panygerics to a nation that until twenty years ago was committed to the destruction of our nation.

    I don’t like any dual allegiances and leap-frogging loyalities. But when comparing Israel fans to Russia fans it is hard to miss the fact that the Russophiles are far more open in their contempt for the west, their eagerness to see the West “humiliated”‘or freeze to death, and panygerics to a nation that until twenty years ago was committed to the destruction of our nation.

    Really? I suppose attacking the EU and current ruling elite of the US is anti-Western. Does it make one anti-Western if one is against mass immigration and all the other culture-changing items they push? If cultural marxists essentially take over the levers of power in the West, does that mean we must support their worldview or be considered anti-Western?

    The real contrast between paleos and neocons vis-a-vis Europe/Europeans is how paleos genuinely have affinity for all European peoples, while neocons do not. This is not surprising because paleocons generally seem to be the ones who promote European culture, civilization, and its peoples while neocons do not. Neocons are more interested in world domination, and it matters little who populates their empire. That is why neocons show little concern with the current ruling elite of Europe and the USA, even though they are on course to make those places less European. So long as they are for world domination, they are A-OK.

    Neocons betray their lack of sympathy in their language towards Europeans as well. Was it not neocons who contemplated ‘crushing some Serb skulls’ in 1999? Was it not neocons who described the French, who refused to join our Iraq Attack, as ‘cheese-eating surrender monkeys’? And it isn’t paloes who think lowly of Russians and other Slavs. And it most certainly wasn’t the antecedents of the paleocons who created the vicious ‘polack’ jokes.

    To be fair, neocons probably do have more concern for Albanians and Bosniaks than paleos. But other than that I’d say paleos are more concerned about Europe and European peoples than neocons.

    To me that makes paleos more pro-Western than neocons.

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  163. Svigor says:

    Was it a “rant”? Was he pumping his fist, steam blowing from his ears? Why is anything that Jews don’t like said about them a “rant”.

    Yep. It’s all yellow journalism from the Jewish Internet Defense Force. I’m their idea of a raving lunatic. I froth at the mouth, I rant, etc. Maybe they should get out more.

    When they think you’re dangerous, they call you crazy. When they think you’re crazy, they ignore you.

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  164. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Are Putin, Russia and Russophiles anti-Western or pro-Western?

    Marine le Pen, the most prominent pro-Western leader in the modern West, receives very positive coverage in the pro-Putin parts of the Russian media. For her part she has said extremely positive things about Russia and Putin. Just judging by outward appearances I would be surprised if she hasn’t gotten some money from Russia by now. The neocons are openly financing the Russian opposition. Why wouldn’t Putin do the same in France?

    If there were prominent, professionally-run pro-Western parties or movements in the US, the UK or Germany, Putin would definitely support them. But you’ve got to remember that Russians are about a million times less talented at this stuff than Jews. Russia can’t create a viable pro-Western movement in any Western country that lacks one. And it did not create the FN in France. If such a movement arises by itself, of course Putin is going to support it. He’s a traditionalist himself, plus his enemy’s enemies are his friends.

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    "The release of the first two messages occurred after Nazi Germany betrayed the Soviet Union during WWII in 1941. On October 31, 1942, Pope Pius XII, in a radio address, informed the people of Portugal about the apparitions of Fátima, consecrating the human race to the Immaculate Heart of the Virgin with specific mention of Russia. Pius XII was a major fan; in the 1948 encyclical Auspicia Quædam, he called on every Catholic to consecrate themselves to the Immaculate Heart for peace in the Middle East.[11]

    It is on this account that the Blue Army of Our Lady of Fátima[wp] carries on its agenda of opposition to gay rights, same sex marriage, abortion, and secular education in the name of the Virgin and traditionalist Catholicism. Despite the fact that the rosary odometer must have rolled over[12], since the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991 and Vladimir Putin's policies strongly favor the Orthodox Church, they continue their crusade to get people to say more Rosaries for the consecration of Russia. Some people just have problems coping with success, it seems." http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/F%C3%A1tima

    Russia and St. Paul are in bankruptcy. St. Louis is making profits from poverty. Woo hoo.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/09/03/how-st-louis-county-missouri-profits-from-poverty/
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  165. HA says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    Are they also recruiting students to accuse any and all "pro-Russian" posters (most of whom simply think it would be a good idea for the US to stay out of the affairs of Russia & Ukraine) for being paid Putin propagandists? Read the comment section of any news story about Ukraine & Russia to see what I am talking about.

    “Are they also recruiting students to accuse any and all “pro-Russian” posters (most of whom simply think it would be a good idea for the US to stay out of the affairs of Russia & Ukraine)…”

    Yeah, sure. Most of them think that… you know this because people who use catch-phrases like “Kiev junta”, “Nuland Kaganate”, who unabashedly defend Stalin w.r.t. the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact by claiming that anyone with the slightest understanding of the period” will agree with them, and who all of a sudden turn into SPLC-shriekers when the topic turns to right-wingers in Ukraine — they must mostly be patriotic Americans concerned only with the good ol’ Red, White & Blue. You keep on trying to sell that, Bubba.

    I will say this: if the internet trolls and useful idiots that Kerry and Nuland have unleashed on Russia are as obvious and unprofessional as the ones Putin sends here, I hope there are Russians who are likewise willing to call them out. Wherever you are, my like-minded Russian troll busters, to you I say, na zdrovya.

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  166. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @iSteveFan

    A good solution might be for paleocons to stop being so devoted to and defensive about a foreign country with nuclear weapons pointed at the USA like Russia but that is as likely as Poedhoertz turning on Israel.
     
    I don't know if you are ignorant, or just being obtuse. How can you not see the difference between neocons and their position on Israel and paleos on Russia is amazing. On one hand, neocons require that one supports POSITIVE American intervention concerning Israel, which includes the continuation of the direct $3 billion annual subsidy, guaranteed loans, guaranteed vetos of anti-Israeli resolutions at the UN, free access to our markets, access to our intel, and other things. If one does not support this, one is labeled an anti-semite and is treated as an enemy. See Patrick Buchanan.

    Contrast this to the so-called Russian supporters. What do they promote? Do they promote giving Russian billions of dollars per year? Do they support giving Russia a free trade arrangement? No, they really don't advocate anything POSITIVE for Russia other than to leave them alone. And the people they clash with are not people who refuse to help Russia, but people who advocate using American power to hurt Russia.

    Contrast that with the neocons where you either support Israel 100%, or you are anti-Israel.

    How anyone can equate these two positions is surprising.

    PS. As for me, I am not Russian, have never been to Russia, have never met a Russian, don't speak Russian, and up until the ending of the Cold War, routinely cheered whenever I saw Russians killed in combat or beaten in the Olympics. Even watching WW2 documentaries, I found myself rooting for the Germans on the Eastern Front. In fact had I expressed the same hatred towards Israelis that I did for Russians, I'd have been labeled an anti-semite and probably never been allowed to work at a reputable job. Of course, I received no blowback for my negative Russian beliefs.

    However, I no longer harbor such ethnic hatred of the Russians and actually wish them well and hope they can re-Christianize. As I've grown older and seen the damage that cultural marxism has done to my nation, I am a little more sympathetic to the nightmarish 20th century that they went through. This doesn't mean I want to send the money, or fight their battles. But it does mean I don't want to fight them while my nation has bigger fish to fry at home. For this view, I am routinely called a Putin apologist on many blogs.

    As for my views on Israel, I know Israelis, am familiar with their military exploits and economic prowess, and respect what they have done with that piece of real estate. In effect I look upon them almost like I do the other nations in the Anglosphere since they are so similar. However, I don't support continuing to give them money, and I don't wish to have the US hitch its foreign policy automatically to their positions without considering what is in the best interest of my nation. For this view I am routinely labeled an anti-semite on blogs.

    Well said +1

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  167. anon says: • Disclaimer

    ” and who all of a sudden turn into SPLC-shriekers when the topic turns to right-wingers in Ukraine “

    I’m neither Russian nor am I paid by Russia, but I do plead guilty to the charge of Russophilia. And I know a few things about Russia’s and the Ukraine’s culture and politics.

    Most of the real right-wingers in the Ukraine are rotting in the SBU’s cellars or have been executed. The SBU is the junta’s version of the NKVD. Right Sector and Svoboda are phony right-wingers paid in large part by Kolomoysky. You can look him up.

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    ...I do plead guilty to the charge of Russophilia.

    Now there's an understatement. But at least it shows candor; points for that.

    And lest anyone accuse me of the same backstabbing foreign loyalty that anon regularly displays, I challenge them to first find any kind word I wrote on behalf of Ukrainians (feckless dysfunctional hicks that they are) that was not written in order to counteract some propagandum that Russia-firsters like him had previously spewed out. Once they stop, so will I.
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  168. HA says:
    @anon
    Let me develop your point about positive action. I'm not a paid Putin troll, but imagine for a moment that I'm something even more upsetting to the Hasbara brigade than that - that I am Vladimir Vladimirovich himself. Talking though a translator. And not at some obscure blog, but in the New York Times, for example. This isn't far-fetched - the Times once published a letter of his. What would I argue for?

    Financial aid? Not in a million years. Putin would consider that extremely undignified. Would I ask for the US government to adopt my position on gay pride parades and gay marriage? To ask that question is to answer it. He's never shown any sign of caring about who puts what into whom in America. Would I ask for America to fight Russia's wars? Are you kidding me?

    Putin's arguments would instead revolve around a diplomatic version of "leave us alone". The US has the Monroe Doctrine in regards to Latin America. The Ukraine is a lot closer to Russia in every way than any Latin American country is to the US.

    In other words, Putin himself has never asked, and would never ask for any positive action form the US. His impossible wish list starts and ends with "leave us alone".

    “‘Putin’s arguments would instead revolve around a diplomatic version of “leave us alone”’

    No, it used to be that. Then, it was leave “us and Crimea alone”, and after that it was leave “us and Crimea and Donetsk”, and after that it was “you know, I could take Poland in two weeks”. And after that, it was “actually, there was nothing all that bad about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact”. For that matter, he has yet to voice any problem with much of anything the Soviet Union did. So if you think that all adds up to a policy of him not willing to toss a wrench into this or that — whether it’s fracking or some gas pipeline (just like what happened with some bombs being tossed into a certain Russian apartment complex) — then you’re more of a useful idiot than you give yourself credit for. If you’re not getting paid for shoveling that out, well, that’s pretty much what it’s worth.

    And maybe I missed this in history class, but if Monroe ever extended his Doctrine so as to mean he could swipe away chunks of a neighboring country whose territorial integrity he had two decades previously obligated himself to respect, in exchange for their relinquishment of nukes, I would not consider that to have been America’s finest hour.

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  169. HA says:
    @anon
    " To the extent that useful idiots of the Hasbara-spinners or Neocons have put this country at risk"

    Hold on, did you just call the poor saps who fall for your neocon lies idiots?

    And once again, from the bottom of my heart: junta, junta, junta.

    Hold on, did you just call the poor saps who fall for your neocon lies idiots?

    Demonstrating yet again, that when a Putin troll says “neocon”, all he really means is someone who stands up to Putin and his propaganda monkeys. If someone isn’t in Putin’s corner, the only possible explanation is that that someone must be a neocon.

    I’m guessing that when you only have two brain cells to rub together, a binary mindset is all you can manage.

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  170. “Woo is used to blind or distract an audience from a real explanation or to discourage people from delving deeper into the subject to find a more realistic explanation. You can’t make money if nobody buys your bullshit. (As such, “woo” that has zero paying customers is more like just ordinary batshit crazy.) ” http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Woo
    Mills went 20 years ago and now the mall are getting wrecked. More news and less shopping.

    Send $20 and we’ll send you blueprints for converting your car to run on nothing but water!

    You get some hypothetical BS; none of these actually work. You’re better off sending that money to the ad underneath it selling instructions for building your own helicopter out of a lawn mower engine, or to the ad above it selling Sea Monkeys.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Automotive_woo

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  171. @donut
    I stopped paying for a subscription to the Atlantic when William Langewiesche left and they kept sending it to me for almost 4 years.

    I stopped paying for a subscription to the Atlantic when William Langewiesche left and they kept sending it to me for almost 4 years.

    The should have renamed it The Atlantis.

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  172. @anon
    Are Putin, Russia and Russophiles anti-Western or pro-Western?

    Marine le Pen, the most prominent pro-Western leader in the modern West, receives very positive coverage in the pro-Putin parts of the Russian media. For her part she has said extremely positive things about Russia and Putin. Just judging by outward appearances I would be surprised if she hasn't gotten some money from Russia by now. The neocons are openly financing the Russian opposition. Why wouldn't Putin do the same in France?

    If there were prominent, professionally-run pro-Western parties or movements in the US, the UK or Germany, Putin would definitely support them. But you've got to remember that Russians are about a million times less talented at this stuff than Jews. Russia can't create a viable pro-Western movement in any Western country that lacks one. And it did not create the FN in France. If such a movement arises by itself, of course Putin is going to support it. He's a traditionalist himself, plus his enemy's enemies are his friends.

    “The release of the first two messages occurred after Nazi Germany betrayed the Soviet Union during WWII in 1941. On October 31, 1942, Pope Pius XII, in a radio address, informed the people of Portugal about the apparitions of Fátima, consecrating the human race to the Immaculate Heart of the Virgin with specific mention of Russia. Pius XII was a major fan; in the 1948 encyclical Auspicia Quædam, he called on every Catholic to consecrate themselves to the Immaculate Heart for peace in the Middle East.[11]

    It is on this account that the Blue Army of Our Lady of Fátima[wp] carries on its agenda of opposition to gay rights, same sex marriage, abortion, and secular education in the name of the Virgin and traditionalist Catholicism. Despite the fact that the rosary odometer must have rolled over[12], since the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991 and Vladimir Putin’s policies strongly favor the Orthodox Church, they continue their crusade to get people to say more Rosaries for the consecration of Russia. Some people just have problems coping with success, it seems.” http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/F%C3%A1tima

    Russia and St. Paul are in bankruptcy. St. Louis is making profits from poverty. Woo hoo.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/09/03/how-st-louis-county-missouri-profits-from-poverty/

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  173. HA says:
    @anon
    " and who all of a sudden turn into SPLC-shriekers when the topic turns to right-wingers in Ukraine "

    I'm neither Russian nor am I paid by Russia, but I do plead guilty to the charge of Russophilia. And I know a few things about Russia's and the Ukraine's culture and politics.

    Most of the real right-wingers in the Ukraine are rotting in the SBU's cellars or have been executed. The SBU is the junta's version of the NKVD. Right Sector and Svoboda are phony right-wingers paid in large part by Kolomoysky. You can look him up.

    …I do plead guilty to the charge of Russophilia.

    Now there’s an understatement. But at least it shows candor; points for that.

    And lest anyone accuse me of the same backstabbing foreign loyalty that anon regularly displays, I challenge them to first find any kind word I wrote on behalf of Ukrainians (feckless dysfunctional hicks that they are) that was not written in order to counteract some propagandum that Russia-firsters like him had previously spewed out. Once they stop, so will I.

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    I can't reciprocate your complement because I have not seen you display any candor at all. As your comment about Gaza from a few days ago showed, you don't spew your lies simply out of some quaint hostility to Russians. It's not just about Russia for you. You're a neocon, an Israel-firster. Yet you deny this.

    Your hostility to Ukrainians only reinforces this belief of mine. The neocons have never pretended to like Ukrainians.

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  174. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @HA
    ...I do plead guilty to the charge of Russophilia.

    Now there's an understatement. But at least it shows candor; points for that.

    And lest anyone accuse me of the same backstabbing foreign loyalty that anon regularly displays, I challenge them to first find any kind word I wrote on behalf of Ukrainians (feckless dysfunctional hicks that they are) that was not written in order to counteract some propagandum that Russia-firsters like him had previously spewed out. Once they stop, so will I.

    I can’t reciprocate your complement because I have not seen you display any candor at all. As your comment about Gaza from a few days ago showed, you don’t spew your lies simply out of some quaint hostility to Russians. It’s not just about Russia for you. You’re a neocon, an Israel-firster. Yet you deny this.

    Your hostility to Ukrainians only reinforces this belief of mine. The neocons have never pretended to like Ukrainians.

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    Your hostility to Ukrainians only reinforces this belief of mine. The neocons have never pretended to like Ukrainians.
     
    Anon, it's like I wrote above when I mentioned that paleos generally like Europeans of all stripes based upon shared ethnic, cultural and religious ties. Neocons don't exhibit this, and it shows in their insults to Europeans whom they oppose. It's one thing to oppose a nation's policy, but to label everyone in that nation with a slur is quite another thing.
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  175. iSteveFan says:
    @anon
    I can't reciprocate your complement because I have not seen you display any candor at all. As your comment about Gaza from a few days ago showed, you don't spew your lies simply out of some quaint hostility to Russians. It's not just about Russia for you. You're a neocon, an Israel-firster. Yet you deny this.

    Your hostility to Ukrainians only reinforces this belief of mine. The neocons have never pretended to like Ukrainians.

    Your hostility to Ukrainians only reinforces this belief of mine. The neocons have never pretended to like Ukrainians.

    Anon, it’s like I wrote above when I mentioned that paleos generally like Europeans of all stripes based upon shared ethnic, cultural and religious ties. Neocons don’t exhibit this, and it shows in their insults to Europeans whom they oppose. It’s one thing to oppose a nation’s policy, but to label everyone in that nation with a slur is quite another thing.

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    The open hatred of the people one supports politically is very charcateristic of the neocons. For example, right now they're supporting Syrian Sunnis against Assad's Alawite-Christian coalition. They're not doing that because they like Sunni Arabs. Actually, they hate Sunni Arabs very, very much. And they tell this to anyone who'd listen. Same thing with Ukrainians. They want their enemies to fight each other.

    The depth of the neocons' cynicism makes reading their stuff extremely unpleasant. And it's been unpleasant for me to engage with this HA fellow. But you've got to do it sometimes.

    , @HA
    "Your hostility to Ukrainians only reinforces this belief of mine."

    Yeah, says the guy who at every turn urging on those trying to tear Ukraine apart and siding with those who deny their very existence. You keep thrashing -- maybe something will eventually stick.

    And Israel-firster -- is that the RussiaToday-approved code word for "Jew" these days? Is that what all these neocon accusations are really about? That would mean the candor is really dribbling out now. Or is it just because you slipped up and outed yourself as a Russia-firster (not that it was ever in doubt), and that turnaround was the only comeback your two-state brain could offer? If so, then come on -- the old "rubber-glue" would have been more clever.

    ...they’re supporting Syrian Sunnis against Assad’s Alawite-Christian coalition.

    Actually, while I have no fondness for Putin, his support of Assad is a lot saner than what Obama has been able to bring to Syria, though that isn't saying much.

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  176. JamesG [AKA "aculeus"] says:

    The tweets may have simply been a “last straw.”

    The guy worked for CNN for 30 plus years and no one outside of CNN knows whether or not there were other problems involving Clancy.

    (I’m not an admirer of CNN, just pointing out that any employer is not going to publish the full story why anyone is fired or asked to resign.)

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  177. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @iSteveFan

    Your hostility to Ukrainians only reinforces this belief of mine. The neocons have never pretended to like Ukrainians.
     
    Anon, it's like I wrote above when I mentioned that paleos generally like Europeans of all stripes based upon shared ethnic, cultural and religious ties. Neocons don't exhibit this, and it shows in their insults to Europeans whom they oppose. It's one thing to oppose a nation's policy, but to label everyone in that nation with a slur is quite another thing.

    The open hatred of the people one supports politically is very charcateristic of the neocons. For example, right now they’re supporting Syrian Sunnis against Assad’s Alawite-Christian coalition. They’re not doing that because they like Sunni Arabs. Actually, they hate Sunni Arabs very, very much. And they tell this to anyone who’d listen. Same thing with Ukrainians. They want their enemies to fight each other.

    The depth of the neocons’ cynicism makes reading their stuff extremely unpleasant. And it’s been unpleasant for me to engage with this HA fellow. But you’ve got to do it sometimes.

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  178. @Sam Haysom
    The poster who inspires about 80 percent of the "hasbara" push back here, Svigor, is complete open in his complete hatred for and bitterness towards all Jews solely on the basis of their being Jewish.

    I don't like any dual allegiances and leap-frogging loyalities. But when comparing Israel fans to Russia fans it is hard to miss the fact that the Russophiles are far more open in their contempt for the west, their eagerness to see the West "humiliated"'or freeze to death, and panygerics to a nation that until twenty years ago was committed to the destruction of our nation.

    The poster who inspires about 80 percent of the “hasbara” push back here, Svigor, is complete open in his complete hatred for and bitterness towards all Jews solely on the basis of their being Jewish.

    You don’t seem to be able to observe things objectively. That’s a ludicrous mischaracterization of Svigor’s perspective.

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  179. HA says:
    @iSteveFan

    Your hostility to Ukrainians only reinforces this belief of mine. The neocons have never pretended to like Ukrainians.
     
    Anon, it's like I wrote above when I mentioned that paleos generally like Europeans of all stripes based upon shared ethnic, cultural and religious ties. Neocons don't exhibit this, and it shows in their insults to Europeans whom they oppose. It's one thing to oppose a nation's policy, but to label everyone in that nation with a slur is quite another thing.

    “Your hostility to Ukrainians only reinforces this belief of mine.”

    Yeah, says the guy who at every turn urging on those trying to tear Ukraine apart and siding with those who deny their very existence. You keep thrashing — maybe something will eventually stick.

    And Israel-firster — is that the RussiaToday-approved code word for “Jew” these days? Is that what all these neocon accusations are really about? That would mean the candor is really dribbling out now. Or is it just because you slipped up and outed yourself as a Russia-firster (not that it was ever in doubt), and that turnaround was the only comeback your two-state brain could offer? If so, then come on — the old “rubber-glue” would have been more clever.

    …they’re supporting Syrian Sunnis against Assad’s Alawite-Christian coalition.

    Actually, while I have no fondness for Putin, his support of Assad is a lot saner than what Obama has been able to bring to Syria, though that isn’t saying much.

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    , @anon
    "Yeah, says the guy who at every turn urging on those trying to tear Ukraine apart and siding with those who deny their very existence."

    The Ukraine was torn apart by the junta. If there was no Nuland coup, Yanukovich would have served out his term and there would have been another election. The Ukraine would still exist in its pre-2014 borders and there would be no war. I would have preferred all that to the current state of affairs. But Vicky, Kolomoysky, etc. didn't want that, so here we are.
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  180. HA says:
    @HA
    "Your hostility to Ukrainians only reinforces this belief of mine."

    Yeah, says the guy who at every turn urging on those trying to tear Ukraine apart and siding with those who deny their very existence. You keep thrashing -- maybe something will eventually stick.

    And Israel-firster -- is that the RussiaToday-approved code word for "Jew" these days? Is that what all these neocon accusations are really about? That would mean the candor is really dribbling out now. Or is it just because you slipped up and outed yourself as a Russia-firster (not that it was ever in doubt), and that turnaround was the only comeback your two-state brain could offer? If so, then come on -- the old "rubber-glue" would have been more clever.

    ...they’re supporting Syrian Sunnis against Assad’s Alawite-Christian coalition.

    Actually, while I have no fondness for Putin, his support of Assad is a lot saner than what Obama has been able to bring to Syria, though that isn't saying much.

    Correction: for the record, the quotes I used were from anon.

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  181. Mr. Anon says:

    “Steve Sailer says:

    The governments of Russia and Israel have a certain amount of linkage, so I’m sure the Russians have studied the successes and failures of Israel, so I would hardly be surprised if Russia has some similar hasbara policies.”

    Nor would I. I suspect that they do. It is exactly the kind of thing one would expect from a government run by a shifty, beady-eyed ex-secret-policeman like Putin (indeed, is one ever an ex-secret-policeman?).

    However, that doesn’t mean that everyone on this board who expresses the opinion that we ought not to be gratuitously poking a finger in Russia’s eyes or getting involved in feuds between other sovereign nations is such a Rusbara, or whatever one might call them. HA, and perhaps others, has in fact said or implied that very thing.

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  182. Mr. Anon says:

    “Maj. Kong says:

    It’s the influence of the “civil rights revolution”. The term ‘holocaust’ means burnt offering, and is frequently mentioned in the Old Testament. It is seen in post-Civil Rights era history, as being the offering to the new liberal world order. In Jewish history, it’s called the Shoah, meaning “calamity””

    I am aware that the term “holocaust” originated from the bible. It is its more recent use I was referring to. I actually did a Google n-gram search of the word, and it’s use seems to have increased exponentially beginning in about 1960. I assume this was due to the term “nuclear holocaust”. My own memory is that it didn’t become universally used to refer to the Shoah until the 1978 Teleplay “Holocaust”, although the n-gram results didn’t show a sharp increase in 1978, so perhaps that isn’t true.

    “I do not really understand the purpose of Holocaust denial. The point of Nazism is to remove Jews from society, and for some reason the Neo-Nazis deny it rather than what they would presumably want Round 2.”

    Neo-nazis deny the historical fact of the Holocaust because they want to rehabilitate nazism as a political ideology, although they usually can’t contain their blood-lust when doing so. Their point of view always ends up coming out as: “There was no Holocaust, and the Jews had it coming anyway.” It’s not very rational, but that’s what you’d expect from people who think that Hitler is they guy you want to emulate.

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  183. Mr. Anon says:

    “Sam Haysom says:

    I don’t like any dual allegiances and leap-frogging loyalities. But when comparing Israel fans to Russia fans it is hard to miss the fact that the Russophiles are far more open in their contempt for the west, their eagerness to see the West “humiliated”‘or freeze to death, and panygerics to a nation that until twenty years ago was committed to the destruction of our nation.

    Your assertion of your opinion as fact does not make it one. I don’t think it is.

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  184. Mr. Anon says:

    “SFG says:

    No, the paranoia’s not because people deny the Holocaust, it’s because of the act itself. Someone killing a few million of your relatives wouldn’t make you wary? We see Ukrainians (and Eastern Europeans in general) suspicious of the whole left after Stalin offed a few million of them, don’t we?”

    Yes, I recognize that it is not just the denial of the fact but the fact of the event itself that engenders suspicion, and that their wariness is justified.

    As the old saying goes – even paranoids have enemies. Having enemies who want to kill you probably tends to make you paranoid. However that doesn’t mean that I have to willingly accept the role laid out for me as part of somebody else’s (occasionally paranoid) world-view.

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  185. Mr. Anon says:

    “aculeus says:

    The tweets may have simply been a “last straw.”

    The guy worked for CNN for 30 plus years and no one outside of CNN knows whether or not there were other problems involving Clancy.”

    That’s quite possibly true. If Clancy was inclined to go full Howard-Beale on CNN it is perhaps because he new he had burned some bridges already. Howard Beale only went full-Howard-Beale after he had gotten the chop.

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  186. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @HA
    "Your hostility to Ukrainians only reinforces this belief of mine."

    Yeah, says the guy who at every turn urging on those trying to tear Ukraine apart and siding with those who deny their very existence. You keep thrashing -- maybe something will eventually stick.

    And Israel-firster -- is that the RussiaToday-approved code word for "Jew" these days? Is that what all these neocon accusations are really about? That would mean the candor is really dribbling out now. Or is it just because you slipped up and outed yourself as a Russia-firster (not that it was ever in doubt), and that turnaround was the only comeback your two-state brain could offer? If so, then come on -- the old "rubber-glue" would have been more clever.

    ...they’re supporting Syrian Sunnis against Assad’s Alawite-Christian coalition.

    Actually, while I have no fondness for Putin, his support of Assad is a lot saner than what Obama has been able to bring to Syria, though that isn't saying much.

    “Yeah, says the guy who at every turn urging on those trying to tear Ukraine apart and siding with those who deny their very existence.”

    The Ukraine was torn apart by the junta. If there was no Nuland coup, Yanukovich would have served out his term and there would have been another election. The Ukraine would still exist in its pre-2014 borders and there would be no war. I would have preferred all that to the current state of affairs. But Vicky, Kolomoysky, etc. didn’t want that, so here we are.

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  187. @Lurker
    Maybe but why are we living in an environment where the Israeli government can freely admit that hasbara exit but if anyone else even mentions it they are loon?

    Every government uses PR but when Israel does, the loons make it out to be something insidious by calling it “hasbara” instead of simply calling it public diplomacy or the official explanation. Whooo . . . can you hear the ghost noises? They do. That’s why they’re loons.

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  188. HA says:

    “But Vicky, Kolomoysky, etc. didn’t want that,…”

    You’re missing one key player. I think his name rhymes with lootin’, or something like that.

    For what it’s worth, I agree that Yanukovich should have either been allowed to serve out his term, or else the full constitutional rigamarole should have been applied to his impeachment. As I said before, I’m not a fan of the Ukrainian approach to doing things in general — if that makes me “hostile to Ukrainians”, so be it. But they did try, in their stumbling way, to rectify matters. whereas Putin, on the other hand, keeps making matters worse, spiraling into full Stalin-mode, and demonstrates little effort to stumble back to legality.

    It’s like the difference between venal and idiotic cartoonists and the jihadi loons who assassinate them. I can be worried about the latter first and foremost without giving the former a pass. You, on the other hand, idolize the worst of the lot.

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  189. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Sam Haysom
    The poster who inspires about 80 percent of the "hasbara" push back here, Svigor, is complete open in his complete hatred for and bitterness towards all Jews solely on the basis of their being Jewish.

    I don't like any dual allegiances and leap-frogging loyalities. But when comparing Israel fans to Russia fans it is hard to miss the fact that the Russophiles are far more open in their contempt for the west, their eagerness to see the West "humiliated"'or freeze to death, and panygerics to a nation that until twenty years ago was committed to the destruction of our nation.

    “I don’t like any dual allegiances and leap-frogging loyalities. But when comparing Israel fans to Russia fans it is hard to miss the fact that the Russophiles are far more open in their contempt for the west, their eagerness to see the West “humiliated”‘or freeze to death…”

    Russia is only retaliating for having its economy destroyed. Russia didn’t want any hostility with the West. Jews in West instigated it.

    Also, Russians didn’t press US for amnesty. Russians didn’t spread anti-white propaganda in the West. Russians didn’t promote interracism in the West. (Maybe the Old Soviet Union did, but it’s long gone.)

    And we hold the West in contempt because it’s no longer the West. The new West is anti-West and in suicidal mode.

    We don’t agree or like much of Russia and Russian politics, but we at least agree with Russian conviction that Russia is for Russians. Even that much isn’t allowed in the New West. White Britons and white French cannot say Britain is for white Britons and France is for white French.

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  190. HA says:

    “… but we at least agree with Russian conviction that Russia is for Russians.”

    Say, what are the Russians’ convictions on whether Latvia for Latvians? Ukraine for the Ukrainians? Because I hear there’s some serious grumbling on those topics, big surprise. Actually, I sympathize with them with regard to Latvia, though that probably means the Russians need to come up with some less hypocritical convictions. If that ever happens, you should report back to us, because speaking for myself, I can’t wait.

    “Russians didn’t promote interracism in the West. (Maybe the Old Soviet Union did, but it’s long gone.):

    MAYBE the old Soviet Union did? MAYBE? Oh, the comedy! And long gone, you say? No, I say, not if a certain shirtless plutocrat has his way — I hear there’s some plans to serve that union up again, with a side-dish of Molotov-Ribbentrop in the works. Why don’t you send us some reports on that, too? I’m less than eager to hear about that, to be honest, but then, we’re all still trying to deal with the aftermath of what the last gaggle of Moscow’s true believers tried to foist on us, convinced as they were that Moscow had all the answers.

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  191. Matra says:

    Russians didn’t spread anti-white propaganda in the West.

    It’s been a while since I watched what was called Russia Today but if their reportage is anything like what it was a few years ago then you are wrong. RT is owned by the Russian state and always pushes the Kremlin line (cultural Marxist Abby Martin’s one minor and, apparently, temporary dissent over Crimea excepted). When it discussed racism in NATO countries, especially the US, it was indistinguishable from the American far left. I’m guessing it still is.

    We don’t agree or like much of Russia and Russian politics, but we at least agree with Russian conviction that Russia is for Russians

    Too bad “Russia” and “Russians” are not well defined. I doubt many European nationalists would like what has happened in Moscow during Putin’s reign.

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  192. Svigor says:

    I guess the case that Svigor makes, and I’m not endorsing it, is that this is unlike the Jews, that they have internalized this hostility/confrontation as individuals and voluntarily act upon it no matter what political regime they may be living under.

    Izzat about it, Svigor?

    Hell, I dunno, this is you guys’ conversation. :D

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  193. Svigor says:

    Also, Russians didn’t press US for amnesty. Russians didn’t spread anti-white propaganda in the West. Russians didn’t promote interracism in the West. (Maybe the Old Soviet Union did, but it’s long gone.)

    And we hold the West in contempt because it’s no longer the West. The new West is anti-West and in suicidal mode.

    We don’t agree or like much of Russia and Russian politics, but we at least agree with Russian conviction that Russia is for Russians. Even that much isn’t allowed in the New West. White Britons and white French cannot say Britain is for white Britons and France is for white French.

    I agree with this though.

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  194. anon says: • Disclaimer

    What a scumbag. It’s not the Ukrainian approach. Vicky Nuland isn’t Ukrainian and for that matter neither are Soros, Poroshenko or Yatsenyuk. There are as few Ukrainians in the junta as there were Russians in the 1917 revolution. The junta is anti-Ukrainian.

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  195. Mr. Anon says:

    “wonderbread says:

    Every government uses PR but when Israel does, the loons make it out to be something insidious by calling it “hasbara” instead of simply calling it public diplomacy or the official explanation.”

    Does every government hire people to be internet trolls? Does every government recruit citizens of another country to to so, as Alan Dershowitz was videod doing at an AIPAC meeting – recruiting american (well, ostensibly american) college students to “blog for Israel”?

    You think Denmark does that?

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  196. Mr. Anon says:

    “HA says:

    “But Vicky, Kolomoysky, etc. didn’t want that,…”

    You’re missing one key player. I think his name rhymes with lootin’, or something like that.”

    No, Putin did not instigate the coup against Yanukovich. That’s what he was talking about.

    “For what it’s worth, I agree that Yanukovich should have either been allowed to serve out his term, or else the full constitutional rigamarole should have been applied to his impeachment.”

    For what it’s worth? Coming from you………not much.

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    "No, Putin did not instigate the coup against Yanukovich."

    Incorrect. Taking Yanukovich out to the woodshed and telling him he would have to renege on the EU agreement -- i.e. letting the facade come crashing down and allowing people to see who was pulling their so-called President's strings -- that was what got that coup rolling in the first place (sorry for the mixed metaphor).

    And of course, there was that thing that came later. Crimea, was it? Or maybe Donetsk? Can't remember now, and apparently you can't either, but I'm sure it was something like that.

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  197. Karl says:
    @rod1963
    "Do the Sanchez’s, Olsons, Thomases, Gibsons, Clancy’s, just hit some point that they can’t take it anymore and blurt out their true feelings? But how could they keep it so under wraps for so many years?"

    As to how they keep it under wraps? Fear of being fired/blackballed is a good way to keep people in line. But sometimes they get a conscience attack and start speaking the truth anyway.

    Sometimes they just cross into forbidden territory like Lou Dobbs and get fired. His mistake was to speak out on illegal immigration and expose all groups and politicos pushing it. Free trade is another forbidden topic as well.

    The take away is that there are taboo subjects that no commentator can bring up without destroying their career. There are groups who do not wish these subjects to become part of public awareness for various reasons.

    There is no Constitutional Right to have access to someone else’s megaphone.

    To paraphrase a great Jewish Supreme Court Justice: You want freedom of the press? So – buy one.

    When you’re using our ink, you’ll print our hasbara.

    You want iSteve to have a large view-ment by the electorate? So – teach iSteve to include some softcore T ‘n A, and some tranquilizers (AKA “sports scores”).

    There is no Human Right to have your Euro-white ethnicity composed of the Thinking classes. you have to build that with your own hands.

    People who don’t grow their own tomatoes, don’t have a right to bitch about how crappy the supermarket ones are.

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    You are spot on!!!- best Hasabar yet.
    This is the reason that we should change the laws and destroy the monopoly of CNN or FOX or fine WSJ or NYT for violation of legal and ethical guideliens regarding the conflcits of interests
    . This is the reason we ensure that Hollywood does'nt have interaction with the people ifrom Zionist camps in one form or another while making films on Middle East or Muslim or Islam without reciprocal representation of Middle Eastern voices. This is the reason that US investiagtes anytime any actor or any anchor or newscast or journlaist gets punished for exercising the right to crticize the action of any government or agency or questioning the rationale or the behvaior of any warring party either by Hollywood or by the media.
    The concerns about possible conflicts of interests should be raised any time AIPAC partisan gets invited on the NPR or CNN by ex AIPAC employee or by Israeli supporter to discuss Middle East without any opposition voices . This is the reason anyone attending AIPAC conference be outed .This is the reason any declaration or statements made in closed door without journalist at AIPAC meeting be made public. The money trail should pigeon hole the candidate and highlight every move they make in Congress or Senate . Bribery is not democrcay. The issue of the conflicts of interests should be raised when WSJ or FOX pen or air messages from the zionist -settler-war monger about the urgent need to destroy Iran . Anytime any zionist suggesting slaughter of another muslim country for the safety of America should be questioned,challenged and exposed.
    The flagrant violation of the policies on the conflicts of interests should be raised when NYT reporter blames Hamas , expresses pain at the invisible suffering of the settlers and glorifies Israeli effort to counter terrorism but sametime convenienetly hiding the fact that her husband or wife or son or daughter or himself is enrolled in IDF or raised as Israeli citzen.
    This is why donation from Sheldon and Sabam will be banned as those donations are instruments to change the foreign policy direction of the country in favor of Israel to whom they owe allegiance and not to US .
    This is why those reciving AIPAC money should not be allowed to advoacte Israel. The money should be taken out of the foreign policy calcaulation .
    This is why Murdoch should not be allowed to operate in US .He receives Jerusalem Award. he thinks Iran should be attacked, he has advocated thed estruction of Iraq nad Libya and has consistently sided with Israel. There is a conflcit of interest. His outlet has suppressed the evidences of Israeli complicity on 911 . He showcases peopel like Pipes,Horowitz,Krauthammer,Bolton,Emerson,Frum,Oren, and anybody eager to demonize muslim and glorify Israel. Any media that doesnt question the common refrain -America is Israel and Israel is America- should be exposed to the public as nothing but lying machine that is hurting America.
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  198. We need to be clear about something. The younger generation of Western Europeans and their relatives in American who care about their peoples’ survival are all pro-Russia and anti-neocon and anti-NWO.

    That’s not going to change, only increase. I’m seeing a stronger and stronger psychological identification with Russia and more of what neocons call “anti-Americanism” among non-liberal, under 30 European Americans. This is a process that is working at a non-ideological group identification level, much like Jews’ love for Israel. Russia is attractive because it is a white society with Russians in charge and not a whiff of self-hatred from the elites. Those feeling of attraction are right, natural and healthy and will only increase as the “West” sinks.

    This is an inevitable consequence of being raised in the nightmare diverse, PC America that the neocons and their allies have made for us. There is gut level disgust with the society we live in, it’s getting harder and harder to feel loyalty to a country that says you are evil and should always be last in line. It’s also getting harder and harder to have nice thoughts about the people who appear to be directing the process.

    I think most older white Americans, including the ones who post here, are greatly underestimating the awareness of the Jewish question that younger white Americans have. It’s been so glaringly obvious our whole lives that the society we live in is largely lead by Jews. We can’t remember an America when the elites were mostly WASPs or when multi-culturalism and white guilt were not being promoted. We had to sit through months of holocaust propaganda in school where we were supposed to learn that our own people are evil.

    We notice the hypocrisy more than our parents do. Taboos are starting to crumble. The psychological burden of dispossession is heaviest on the young who have such a dark future to look forward to.

    The coming battle is between ethnic Europeans who want to survive as peoples and the NWO/PC/neocon alliance. The battles lines have been drawn and will not change. Neocon attempts to demonize Russia will fail to persuade younger white Americans. The boys who are enlisting the armed forces this year have no memory of the “Evil Empire,” but think Vladimir Putin is a hero. They know neocons are bad and that neocons also support open borders and amnesty for illegals.

    As the European “far right” and Russia grow closer, European Americans who are young enough to still think are not going to decide that the the PC/NWO/neocon crowd who advocate open borders and no identity for whites are the good guys and the Russians/Europeans who wish to preserve their cultures and peoples are the bad guys.

    It’s not going to happen.

    What’s confusing for older conservatives is that the emerging white consciousness among millennials and gen Y types is not taking the form of conservatism. We don’t see conservatives as being good guys, we see them at best as dupes and more like co-conspirators in the destruction of our nation. We share “liberal” and “anti-American” beliefs like wanting to have privacy from government spying and opposing needless foreign wars. We don’t see conservatives anymore as misguided good guys, but as enemies pretending to be friends. Conservatives are now admitting to themselves that they are failures and have no answers. Been to NRO lately? It’s nothing but bland PR puff pieces praising the establishment. No one under 50 reads that crap. Conservatism is dying.

    That’s why it’s strange for me to read a man as insightful as Steve keep suggesting that the GOP should follow his “Sailer Strategy” or that the French center-right should adopt dissident-right beliefs. That’s not how things work. The battle lines have already been drawn. People who are part of the NWO/neocon/PC alliance will not switch sides, they will die off and be replaced over time.

    Above all I want to emphasize to the older folks that younger Americans are psychologically open to radicalization in a way few older people realize. There is deep, deep disillusionment. The illusions that sustained conservatives in the 80′s and 90′s and Bush regime years are gone. Things are starting to get interesting.

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    "The boys who are enlisting the armed forces this year...think Vladimir Putin is a hero,” ...

    Let's compare percentages of Westerners who think Putin vis-à-vis those who thought Stalin was their hero some eight decades ago. I'm guessing Stalin is going to win that contest hands down. And how did that work out for everyone?


    "...[they] have no memory of the “Evil Empire,” ...

    What's that old quip about those who cannot remember the past?
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  199. HA says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "HA says:

    “But Vicky, Kolomoysky, etc. didn’t want that,…”

    You’re missing one key player. I think his name rhymes with lootin’, or something like that."

    No, Putin did not instigate the coup against Yanukovich. That's what he was talking about.

    "For what it’s worth, I agree that Yanukovich should have either been allowed to serve out his term, or else the full constitutional rigamarole should have been applied to his impeachment."

    For what it's worth? Coming from you.........not much.

    “No, Putin did not instigate the coup against Yanukovich.”

    Incorrect. Taking Yanukovich out to the woodshed and telling him he would have to renege on the EU agreement — i.e. letting the facade come crashing down and allowing people to see who was pulling their so-called President’s strings — that was what got that coup rolling in the first place (sorry for the mixed metaphor).

    And of course, there was that thing that came later. Crimea, was it? Or maybe Donetsk? Can’t remember now, and apparently you can’t either, but I’m sure it was something like that.

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  200. HA says:
    @Lackawanna
    We need to be clear about something. The younger generation of Western Europeans and their relatives in American who care about their peoples' survival are all pro-Russia and anti-neocon and anti-NWO.

    That's not going to change, only increase. I'm seeing a stronger and stronger psychological identification with Russia and more of what neocons call "anti-Americanism" among non-liberal, under 30 European Americans. This is a process that is working at a non-ideological group identification level, much like Jews' love for Israel. Russia is attractive because it is a white society with Russians in charge and not a whiff of self-hatred from the elites. Those feeling of attraction are right, natural and healthy and will only increase as the "West" sinks.

    This is an inevitable consequence of being raised in the nightmare diverse, PC America that the neocons and their allies have made for us. There is gut level disgust with the society we live in, it's getting harder and harder to feel loyalty to a country that says you are evil and should always be last in line. It's also getting harder and harder to have nice thoughts about the people who appear to be directing the process.

    I think most older white Americans, including the ones who post here, are greatly underestimating the awareness of the Jewish question that younger white Americans have. It's been so glaringly obvious our whole lives that the society we live in is largely lead by Jews. We can't remember an America when the elites were mostly WASPs or when multi-culturalism and white guilt were not being promoted. We had to sit through months of holocaust propaganda in school where we were supposed to learn that our own people are evil.

    We notice the hypocrisy more than our parents do. Taboos are starting to crumble. The psychological burden of dispossession is heaviest on the young who have such a dark future to look forward to.

    The coming battle is between ethnic Europeans who want to survive as peoples and the NWO/PC/neocon alliance. The battles lines have been drawn and will not change. Neocon attempts to demonize Russia will fail to persuade younger white Americans. The boys who are enlisting the armed forces this year have no memory of the "Evil Empire," but think Vladimir Putin is a hero. They know neocons are bad and that neocons also support open borders and amnesty for illegals.

    As the European "far right" and Russia grow closer, European Americans who are young enough to still think are not going to decide that the the PC/NWO/neocon crowd who advocate open borders and no identity for whites are the good guys and the Russians/Europeans who wish to preserve their cultures and peoples are the bad guys.

    It's not going to happen.

    What's confusing for older conservatives is that the emerging white consciousness among millennials and gen Y types is not taking the form of conservatism. We don't see conservatives as being good guys, we see them at best as dupes and more like co-conspirators in the destruction of our nation. We share "liberal" and "anti-American" beliefs like wanting to have privacy from government spying and opposing needless foreign wars. We don't see conservatives anymore as misguided good guys, but as enemies pretending to be friends. Conservatives are now admitting to themselves that they are failures and have no answers. Been to NRO lately? It's nothing but bland PR puff pieces praising the establishment. No one under 50 reads that crap. Conservatism is dying.

    That's why it's strange for me to read a man as insightful as Steve keep suggesting that the GOP should follow his "Sailer Strategy" or that the French center-right should adopt dissident-right beliefs. That's not how things work. The battle lines have already been drawn. People who are part of the NWO/neocon/PC alliance will not switch sides, they will die off and be replaced over time.

    Above all I want to emphasize to the older folks that younger Americans are psychologically open to radicalization in a way few older people realize. There is deep, deep disillusionment. The illusions that sustained conservatives in the 80's and 90's and Bush regime years are gone. Things are starting to get interesting.

    “The boys who are enlisting the armed forces this year…think Vladimir Putin is a hero,” …

    Let’s compare percentages of Westerners who think Putin vis-à-vis those who thought Stalin was their hero some eight decades ago. I’m guessing Stalin is going to win that contest hands down. And how did that work out for everyone?

    “…[they] have no memory of the “Evil Empire,” …

    What’s that old quip about those who cannot remember the past?

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    Ugh...: should have been "Let’s compare percentages of Westerners who think Putin is a hero vis-à-vis those who thought Stalin was their hero...."

    Maybe in a few upgrades, there'll be some way to go back and fix a simple typo.
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  201. HA says:
    @HA
    "The boys who are enlisting the armed forces this year...think Vladimir Putin is a hero,” ...

    Let's compare percentages of Westerners who think Putin vis-à-vis those who thought Stalin was their hero some eight decades ago. I'm guessing Stalin is going to win that contest hands down. And how did that work out for everyone?


    "...[they] have no memory of the “Evil Empire,” ...

    What's that old quip about those who cannot remember the past?

    Ugh…: should have been “Let’s compare percentages of Westerners who think Putin is a hero vis-à-vis those who thought Stalin was their hero….”

    Maybe in a few upgrades, there’ll be some way to go back and fix a simple typo.

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  202. CJ says:

    I appreciate Ron Unz’s recent work adding new features to the site, but surely this particular post tells why you maybe shouldn’t just “Tweet It!”

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  203. Hasbara is a dish best served cold.

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  204. @anon
    "Sanchez’s “Jews control the media” rant slipped out and he was actually fired."

    Was it a "rant"? Was he pumping his fist, steam blowing from his ears? Why is anything that Jews don't like said about them a "rant".

    This is part of the medicalization of opposition - "my enemies have a mental illness".

    Say what you will about Sanchez's and Clancy's comments, but neither of them were anything like a rant.

    Let's drop all this screed/trope/rant descriptions of comments that Jews don't like. Frankly, it would be to your advantage as well, as it marks you as prejudicial, etc.

    Why is anything that Jews don’t like said about them a “rant”.

    You need to get your terminology straight.

    Mentioning Jews = rant.

    Actually criticizing Jews = ugly noxious anti-semitic stereotype conspiracy theory canard.

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  205. Lackawanna, right on. I’m approaching middle age, and it’s commonplace for the young pups at my company to bring up the Federal Reserve or the media corruption, or the cooperation between the two parties. These are regular guys with girlfriends and interests outside of work. Race and the scotch-irish question don’t come up explicitly, still pretty strong taboos in that area, but the former is hinted at with terms like ‘urban’, ‘gangbangers’, and ‘demographics’. The pendulum swings, whether the elites want it to or not, and Steve makes a good point with his Ferguson and UVA Rape coverage, that the pendulum is currently about as far into silly as it can go.

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  206. KA says:
    @Matra
    free speech has nothing to do with this. Free speech is about government control of speech

    From a strictly legal standpoint that's true but if SJWs, the Israel Lobby or any other organised group can deprive you of your employment and make other prospective employers shun you then in practice you don't really have free speech. Besides, these days government and big business are often so intertwined I'm not sure the distinction matters all that much anymore.

    People could not be fired from having a opinion on any topic or subject just like people couldn’t be fired from or not hired on the basis of sex ,gender,religion,ethnicity, or sexual orientation.
    But the media will not accept the freedom of the employee to have opinion even when expressed outside the confines of the relevant job.
    This is so anachronistic . But it makes sense. This is the way to get Sanchez. Octavia Nasr and now Clancy get fired. That was the method used to get Helen Thomas fired while lamenting at the virulence of the responses of some Moslem or lamenting at the absence of freedom in Russia,China,Iran,or Syria.

    But what is surprising is the collective silence and inertia of the groups that will fight a sex ,gender ,religion,language based discrimination , but wont challenge the media ‘s unethical and illegal hurtful potentially destructive behaviors.
    Even the justice department won’t look into it as a case of conflict of interest given the way media( CNN ) supports Israel,covers Israel , promotes Israel,and brings people as expert or host or analyst with significant past association with Israel or having rabid pro Israeli views .

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  207. @Mr. Anon
    "wonderbread says:

    @Lurker

    Every government uses PR but when Israel does, the loons make it out to be something insidious by calling it “hasbara” instead of simply calling it public diplomacy or the official explanation."

    Does every government hire people to be internet trolls? Does every government recruit citizens of another country to to so, as Alan Dershowitz was videod doing at an AIPAC meeting - recruiting american (well, ostensibly american) college students to "blog for Israel"?

    You think Denmark does that?

    Even if those were aspects of Israel’s public diplomacy, that’s part of how you defend yourself in a war against an immoral enemy that wants to annihilate you.

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  208. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Yakov
    As his comments indicate he wasn't fit for the job. How did he manage to last so long? I don't see what's wrong with paying students to do 'hasbara'. Anti-Semitic press is paid and if not it solicits donations. Israel is at war and maybe it's time to stop winning every time she scores a victory?

    This is CNN

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    Dear Mr. Jones:

    We should have gotten Geoffrey Holder before his recent death to record an UnzCola commercial. But since Holder liked to tell people he was James Earl Jones, but they had to keep it secret because he was traveling incognito, maybe you could do it for him?

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  209. @Anonymous
    This is CNN

    Dear Mr. Jones:

    We should have gotten Geoffrey Holder before his recent death to record an UnzCola commercial. But since Holder liked to tell people he was James Earl Jones, but they had to keep it secret because he was traveling incognito, maybe you could do it for him?

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  210. @Whiskey
    Steve, CNN's Christiane Amanpour made far worse statements on the air, and called the jihadis who killed a bunch of people (including Jews for being Jews) "activists" and stated point blank they were not terrorists. Amanpour has made overtly anti-semitic statements year after year.

    And she's CNN's superstar.

    Why?

    She's not a White male. She's female, and Muslim. Therefore untouchable.

    Arguably the media is overtly anti-Semitic. Al Sharpton? Has his own show in MSNBC. Israel and Jews are routinely blamed for one Muslim massacre after another, including Boko Haram, the stuff in France, the stuff in Syria (basically Turkey vs. Iran) and Iraq, Pakistani outrage of the week, and so on.

    Jews are merely a fringe of the KKKrazy Glue coalition. Thus they can be attacked for being Jewish just as White men/boys are attacked for being White men or boys, even when they are part of the Obama Coalition. The core of the coalition is Blacks, then Hispanics, then rich White elites, with feminists, Jews, liberal White men, etc. unimportant add-ons. The first two provide street muscle and votes, the third the money, the rest are just useful idiots.

    This is more evidence of the KKKrazy Glue coalition breaking down.

    The CNN guy who got fired WAS offensive. If that was a firing offense is probably not, but he should have apologized, lets review.

    *After a number of high-profile murders in the past few years of Jews in France (including children) by Muslims merely for BEING JEWS, jihadis go and ...

    *Kill Jews in a Hypermarket merely for being Jews. None of them were connected to Hedbo, none had any possibility of influencing the people at Hedbo. But were Jews and were targeted for group retaliation.

    This is offensive in a fundamental way to White people. White people have many and varied ethnic backgrounds -- Celt, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Scandinavian, etc. Tribal / Muslim ways of thinking and acting, group collective punishment, every man under arms, government being weak and not having a monopoly of violence is deeply and massively offensive to Whites because every White knows where it leads: the Dark Ages, the Thirty Years War, the Balkans. White society is built on trust and singling out Jews for being Jews and thus worthy of being killed (as the CNN anchor effectively argued) is not only objectively anti-White but leads inevitably to anti-German, or anti-Celt, or anti-French collective punishment as well.

    Muslims act and think this way, because they are a tribal rabble. Tribalism is the principal reason for Muslim failure.

    Israeli hasbara is a symptom of Western failure to keep nationalism big, inclusive, and with a monopoly of violence inside its own state at least. The internet itself acts to increase tribalism and decrease nationalism. Multiculturalism is not only Western Suicide but itself a rejection of Westernism and the European way.

    Amanpour is not Muslim, as far as I know. She is married to one James Rubin.

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  211. Svigor says:

    Even if those were aspects of Israel’s public diplomacy, that’s part of how you defend yourself in a war against an immoral enemy that wants to annihilate you.

    If America would only treat blacks and browns as badly as the Jews treat the Palestinians, they’d start throwing bombs and we too could deploy this useful excuse.

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  212. some interesting commentary. There is certainly a Liberal PC Inquisition in the world. Be prepared to suffer for your beliefs. As far as Twitter is concerned it bores me. I have an account but haven’t looked at in in more than a year and a half. I only read copies of twitter scandals that happen on Facebook. I prefer email and FB and writing as long as I please.

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  213. donut says:

    When I lived in Boston in the in the 80′s and 90′s the Boston Herald had a columnist named Howie Carr . He never let up on the Mass. Senate. He used to call Wm.Bulger “the corrupt midget”.
    The Mass. pols were always getting arrested for one thing or another . I remember in one case Carr said abt a particular pol that “he left the State House in the traditional manner , under indictment and in hand cuffs.” It didn’t keep them from getting reelected but he was always good for a laugh at their expense.

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  214. Here’s a simple reality that’s important to come to grips with.

    80-90% of the work that is currently being done will be automated in the next 20-30
    years.

    http://www.homefreeamerica.us/future-work-turking-uber-wont-like/

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  215. @Priss Factor
    Hi, my name is Heather M.

    Recently, I worked as an intern at CNN. I thought everyone was so nice and kindly, and I became trusting of my bosses and co-workers who seemed so nice.
    One day, they asked me to bring coffee to a certain room. But when I entered, all the people in the room were in ninja suits and masks and soon turned off the light. I was so shocked I couldn't let go of the hot pot of coffee. Soon, they were ripping my clothes off and I was spilling my hot coffee all over them. But they were in such a sexual frenzy that they proceeded to rape me while I spilled more hot coffee all over them.
    After 4, 5, 6, or maybe 12 hrs, they stopped raping me, and I began to feel ink being written all over me and this just went on and on.

    When I finally came to, I was lying naked in the room and when I stood up and looked in the mirror, I was horrified by what had been written all over my body.

    One read:

    "This skankass bitch is racist, fascist, scum bitch who reads stuff on Vdare."

    Another (on my buttock) read:

    "This politically incorrect bitchass ho surely wrote comments at UNZ.COM."

    Another (on my other buttock) read:

    "This is one terrible reactionary whore who, btw, thinks Dennis Dale is a cute scaredy cat."

    I was so traumatized and I sought help and support among my colleagues at CNN, but no one offered any help because they were afraid of being shut of the annual Christmas Party."

    Will someone help me? Please.

    We know your story is not true because you stated you were at a Christmas party. If you had said “holiday party”, I would have believed you.

    At CNN, they have holiday parties, send holiday cards, and say happy holidays.

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  216. Sean says:

    I don’t care, the man is responsible for himself. Like the people who parachute off skyscrapers, those who taunt the Israel lobby know they are sailing very close to the wind. It’s not our country and there are better things to take risks for.

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  217. schmenz says:
    @Sam Haysom
    The Putin's payroll gibes are entirely fair play turnabout for the tendency of the counter-AIPAC brigades to cry "Hasbara" the second anyone here objects to excessively over the top Jew-blaming.

    Both Israel and Putin's Russia are well known for using devoted and compensated posters to promote their interest. You can't only criticize Israel for this and then get upset when someone turns the tables. A good solution might be for paleocons to stop being so devoted to and defensive about a foreign country with nuclear weapons pointed at the USA like Russia but that is as likely as Poedhoertz turning on Israel.

    Russia is paying people to write pieces favorable to Russia? Great. Where can I sign up? I’ve been writing supportive comments about the interesting changes that have been happening in Russia lately for free when I could be earning some bucks.

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  218. donut says:

    Well let it pass or not but Wolf Blitzer went from AIPAC spokescreature to CNN anchor.
    And Horace Kallen a Jewish immigrant from Germany started multiculturalism in this country as well as American Zionism. He recruited Louis Brandeis to work for Zionism in the US . Brandeis “became a leader of the Progressive movement, and used the law as an instrument for social change.”
    He also worked tirelessly to promote the cause of Zionism to the detriment of US interests. And in conjunction with British Zionists who extracted the Balfour Declaration from the British Gov’t. in exchange for the US’s entry into WW1 on the British side.
    Brandeis’ protege Felix Frankfurter who obtained his position at Harvard Law School by way of a payoff from Jacob Schiff, was one of the founders of the ACLU and was nominated to the SCOTUS by FDR where he continued his work for Zionism . Frankfurter advocated progressive legislation and pushed the careers of other Zionists in FDR’s administration , Benjamin V. Cohen for one , “who served as counsel for the American Zionist Movement from 1919 – 1921 and acted as Zionist counsel to the 1919 Paris Peace Conference.” “In 1948 Cohen advised both the United States and the new state of Israel with respect to the first official exchange between those two countries.”
    Today we find ourselves in the position of the citizens of some Third World country where the US has installed a puppet regime the difference being that at least the citizens of those countries know their governments are serving a foreign master.

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  219. @Wally
    More on Zionist propaganda, the question is why?

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-tech-site-paying-interns-covertly-plant-stories-social-media
    Israel tech site paying “interns” to covertly plant stories in social media


    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-students-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook
    Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook

    Jewish Internet Defense Force
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Internet_Defense_Force

    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    More on Zionist propaganda, the question is why?

    Cause one day they might need it to fight off a Haven Monahan led pogrom.

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  220. @Whiskey
    Steve, CNN's Christiane Amanpour made far worse statements on the air, and called the jihadis who killed a bunch of people (including Jews for being Jews) "activists" and stated point blank they were not terrorists. Amanpour has made overtly anti-semitic statements year after year.

    And she's CNN's superstar.

    Why?

    She's not a White male. She's female, and Muslim. Therefore untouchable.

    Arguably the media is overtly anti-Semitic. Al Sharpton? Has his own show in MSNBC. Israel and Jews are routinely blamed for one Muslim massacre after another, including Boko Haram, the stuff in France, the stuff in Syria (basically Turkey vs. Iran) and Iraq, Pakistani outrage of the week, and so on.

    Jews are merely a fringe of the KKKrazy Glue coalition. Thus they can be attacked for being Jewish just as White men/boys are attacked for being White men or boys, even when they are part of the Obama Coalition. The core of the coalition is Blacks, then Hispanics, then rich White elites, with feminists, Jews, liberal White men, etc. unimportant add-ons. The first two provide street muscle and votes, the third the money, the rest are just useful idiots.

    This is more evidence of the KKKrazy Glue coalition breaking down.

    The CNN guy who got fired WAS offensive. If that was a firing offense is probably not, but he should have apologized, lets review.

    *After a number of high-profile murders in the past few years of Jews in France (including children) by Muslims merely for BEING JEWS, jihadis go and ...

    *Kill Jews in a Hypermarket merely for being Jews. None of them were connected to Hedbo, none had any possibility of influencing the people at Hedbo. But were Jews and were targeted for group retaliation.

    This is offensive in a fundamental way to White people. White people have many and varied ethnic backgrounds -- Celt, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Scandinavian, etc. Tribal / Muslim ways of thinking and acting, group collective punishment, every man under arms, government being weak and not having a monopoly of violence is deeply and massively offensive to Whites because every White knows where it leads: the Dark Ages, the Thirty Years War, the Balkans. White society is built on trust and singling out Jews for being Jews and thus worthy of being killed (as the CNN anchor effectively argued) is not only objectively anti-White but leads inevitably to anti-German, or anti-Celt, or anti-French collective punishment as well.

    Muslims act and think this way, because they are a tribal rabble. Tribalism is the principal reason for Muslim failure.

    Israeli hasbara is a symptom of Western failure to keep nationalism big, inclusive, and with a monopoly of violence inside its own state at least. The internet itself acts to increase tribalism and decrease nationalism. Multiculturalism is not only Western Suicide but itself a rejection of Westernism and the European way.

    Muslims act and think this way, because they are a tribal rabble. Tribalism is the principal reason for Muslim failure.

    The Jews are a tribal people whose performance exceeds all other ethnic groups. More probably, Muslims fail because of marginal average intellect and organization skill, not collectivism.

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    A little more drink and you will see stars on the door like halo around the future of Europe before the collpase .Dont get slammed on your way out.The door could be the wall stopping the exit to a safe place where thinking is more rational , less bigoted and angry stupidity does not take over nor present itself as expert opinion.
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  221. Rereading McLuhan

    The bias of each medium of communication is far more distorting than the deliberate lie.

    JQ. Journalism quarterly, Volume 50, Association for Education in Journalism, 1973, p. 145

    As bias increases so goes distortion. Lies would improve the show! Blame everything on bad intelligence after spending billions of dollars on intelligence.

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  222. Solomon moves quickly when he thinks he is threatened.

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  223. KA says:
    @Honorary Thief

    Muslims act and think this way, because they are a tribal rabble. Tribalism is the principal reason for Muslim failure.
     
    The Jews are a tribal people whose performance exceeds all other ethnic groups. More probably, Muslims fail because of marginal average intellect and organization skill, not collectivism.

    and to Whisky
    A little more drink and you will see stars on the door like halo around the future of Europe before the collpase .Dont get slammed on your way out.The door could be the wall stopping the exit to a safe place where thinking is more rational , less bigoted and angry stupidity does not take over nor present itself as expert opinion.

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  224. KA says:
    @Karl
    There is no Constitutional Right to have access to someone else's megaphone.

    To paraphrase a great Jewish Supreme Court Justice: You want freedom of the press? So - buy one.

    When you're using our ink, you'll print our hasbara.

    You want iSteve to have a large view-ment by the electorate? So - teach iSteve to include some softcore T 'n A, and some tranquilizers (AKA "sports scores").

    There is no Human Right to have your Euro-white ethnicity composed of the Thinking classes. you have to build that with your own hands.

    People who don't grow their own tomatoes, don't have a right to bitch about how crappy the supermarket ones are.

    You are spot on!!!- best Hasabar yet.
    This is the reason that we should change the laws and destroy the monopoly of CNN or FOX or fine WSJ or NYT for violation of legal and ethical guideliens regarding the conflcits of interests
    . This is the reason we ensure that Hollywood does’nt have interaction with the people ifrom Zionist camps in one form or another while making films on Middle East or Muslim or Islam without reciprocal representation of Middle Eastern voices. This is the reason that US investiagtes anytime any actor or any anchor or newscast or journlaist gets punished for exercising the right to crticize the action of any government or agency or questioning the rationale or the behvaior of any warring party either by Hollywood or by the media.
    The concerns about possible conflicts of interests should be raised any time AIPAC partisan gets invited on the NPR or CNN by ex AIPAC employee or by Israeli supporter to discuss Middle East without any opposition voices . This is the reason anyone attending AIPAC conference be outed .This is the reason any declaration or statements made in closed door without journalist at AIPAC meeting be made public. The money trail should pigeon hole the candidate and highlight every move they make in Congress or Senate . Bribery is not democrcay. The issue of the conflicts of interests should be raised when WSJ or FOX pen or air messages from the zionist -settler-war monger about the urgent need to destroy Iran . Anytime any zionist suggesting slaughter of another muslim country for the safety of America should be questioned,challenged and exposed.
    The flagrant violation of the policies on the conflicts of interests should be raised when NYT reporter blames Hamas , expresses pain at the invisible suffering of the settlers and glorifies Israeli effort to counter terrorism but sametime convenienetly hiding the fact that her husband or wife or son or daughter or himself is enrolled in IDF or raised as Israeli citzen.
    This is why donation from Sheldon and Sabam will be banned as those donations are instruments to change the foreign policy direction of the country in favor of Israel to whom they owe allegiance and not to US .
    This is why those reciving AIPAC money should not be allowed to advoacte Israel. The money should be taken out of the foreign policy calcaulation .
    This is why Murdoch should not be allowed to operate in US .He receives Jerusalem Award. he thinks Iran should be attacked, he has advocated thed estruction of Iraq nad Libya and has consistently sided with Israel. There is a conflcit of interest. His outlet has suppressed the evidences of Israeli complicity on 911 . He showcases peopel like Pipes,Horowitz,Krauthammer,Bolton,Emerson,Frum,Oren, and anybody eager to demonize muslim and glorify Israel. Any media that doesnt question the common refrain -America is Israel and Israel is America- should be exposed to the public as nothing but lying machine that is hurting America.

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  225. KA says:

    From mondoweiss.net–

    “And unfortunately, I think, some of the demands that are made of members by AIPAC and some strong Jewish supporters are that we pay more attention — I guess we defer — to Israel more than we defer to the United States” Yarmouth is 67 and Jewish, a former journalist

    Commentary’s Jonathan Tobin has landed on Yarmuth: “J Street Ally Promotes Anti-Semitic Slander”

    Rep. John Yarmuth, who told radio talker Stephanie Miller that the invite was “close to subversion” and accused the bipartisan pro-Israel majority in Congress of dual loyalty. That should leave the Jewish group that has embraced Yarmouth—the left-wing lobby J Street—with some questions as to whether they are prepared to draw a line between their own campaign against Netanyahu and slander of Israel and pro-Israel members of Congress…

    Tobin says that the comments are almost as bad as Tom Friedman’s comments on the Congress being “bought and paid for by the Israel lobby.”

    Last week David Corn said that House Speaker John Boehner’s move to invite Netanyahu to upstage Obama’s state of the union policy on Iran was “nearly traitorous.” MJ Rosenberg echoes the meme: “American Traitor.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/sanctions-congressman-deference

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  226. […] 17-JAN-2015: 34-year CNN Anchor Jim Clancy purged (and memory-holed), not for trying to spin the ‘real meaning’ of the Charlie Hebdo cartoons in an implausibly nutty way, but for accusing the folks that pushed back of working for Israeli public relations.  Wrong target Jim.  (HT: Sailer) […]

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