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Who Will Become a Terrorist? Research Yields Few Clues
By MATT APUZZO MARCH 27, 2016

WASHINGTON — The brothers who carried out suicide bombings in Brussels last week had long, violent criminal records and had been regarded internationally as potential terrorists. But in San Bernardino, Calif., last year, one of the attackers was a county health inspector who lived a life of apparent suburban normality.

And then there are the dozens of other young American men and women who have been arrested over the past year for trying to help the Islamic State. Their backgrounds are so diverse that they defy a single profile.

Hey, over here! I’ve got a clue.

What turns people toward violence — and whether they can be steered away from it — are questions that have bedeviled governments around the world for generations. Those questions have taken on fresh urgency with the rise of the Islamic State and the string of attacks in Europe and the United States. Despite millions of dollars of government-sponsored research, and a much-publicized White House pledge to find answers, there is still nothing close to a consensus on why someone becomes a terrorist.

I know it sounds crazy, but I’ve thought of a factor that ties together all the terrorist incidents mentioned in this article. I’ll admit, nobody paid me millions of dollars for my clue, but still …

“After all this funding and this flurry of publications, with each new terrorist incident we realize that we are no closer to answering our original question about what leads people to turn to political violence,” Marc Sageman, a psychologist and a longtime government consultant, wrote in the journal Terrorism and Political Violence in 2014. “The same worn-out questions are raised over and over again, and we still have no compelling answers.”

Granted, I don’t have a big consulting contract like the Beltway Bandits, but I do have a clue.

When researchers do come up with possible answers, the government often disregards them. Not long after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, for instance, Alan B. Krueger, the Princeton economist, tested the widespread assumption that poverty was a key factor in the making of a terrorist. Mr. Krueger’s analysis of economic figures, polls, and data on suicide bombers and hate groups found no link between economic distress and terrorism.

I can think of a demographic factor that correlates with 9/11, Brussels, San Bernardino, etc. etc.

More than a decade later, law enforcement officials and government-funded community groups still regard money problems as an indicator of radicalization.

When President Obama announced plans in 2011 to prevent homegrown terrorism, the details were sketchy, but the promise was clear. The White House would provide warning signs to help parents and community leaders.

“It’s going to be communities that recognize abnormal behavior,” Denis McDonough, the deputy national security adviser at the time, said. As an example, he cited truancy, which he said was an indicator of possible gang activity. “Truancy is also going to be an early warning sign for violent extremism,” he said.

But the years that followed have done little to narrow the list of likely precursors. Rather, the murky science seems to imply that nearly anyone is a potential terrorist. Some studies suggest that terrorists are likely to be educated or extroverted; others say uneducated recluses are at risk. Many studies seem to warn of the adolescent condition, singling out young, impatient men with a sense of adventure who are “struggling to achieve a sense of selfhood.”

What, oh, what could be the common factor?

Europe, too, is grappling with these questions, but there is no clear answer.

If only somebody had a clue about what might unite Brussels, Charlie Hebdo, and last fall’s Paris slaughter …

 

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  1. ….it’s a mystery ?!?!?

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  2. Many studies seem to warn of the adolescent condition, singling out young, impatient men with a sense of adventure who are “struggling to achieve a sense of selfhood.”

    Well, sure that works for Boston, but, but, but… Ft. Hood. So, there! Who could’da know’d?

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  3. None are so blind as those who will not see

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  4. “What, oh, what could be the common factor?”

    The common factor is that they are all Wisconsin Quakers.

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  5. Weather Underground, Bader Meinhof Complex, Red Army Faction, Black Hand, John Brown and The Secret Six: what is the common factor?

    Oh oh oh I know, white people!

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  6. This would be funny if so many human lives were not at stake, but as it is, it is about as funny as a heart attack. We are headed for a cliff and the bus is being driven by a clown. A blind clown. A blind scary clown. It’s not a comedy, it’s a horror movie, a living nightmare.

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  7. Could it be weak-minded and easily influenced fundamentalists? Nah… we gotta be more specific so as not to include white people or bash Christianity for being as equally pathetic as Islam.

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  8. Yer right! It’s like those old mummy movies where the mummy was slogging along at about 1.5 MPH, and the blonde broke a heel and is too STOOPID to just kick em off and run like hell.

  9. In The U.S who is more likely to become a terrorist and join up with ISIS? An 80 year old White Jewish lady from Boca Raton, Florida or a 20 year old Somali man in Minneapolis?

    How would The Huffington Post answer this question?

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  10. We need additional million dollar studies on terrorist activities and who are prone to join such movements. I think we should invite more Islamic refugees into the U.S. so that we can observe how they cluster together, become angry in their new surroundings and then try out the doctrines with which they’ve been inculcated.

    So, first, bring in more refugees and immigrants from totally alien Muslim societies.
    Second, hire progressive thinking-thinkers to think up a thoughtful survey to administer to thoughtless Muslims who still think they’re in their homeland, and collate the results.
    Third, do not color the results with observable facts, but hypothesize ad infinitum, until the chickens come home to roost.
    Fourth, pronounce the results as being inconclusive, and suggest a new study to build on the one just completed.
    Fifth, wash and repeat.
    Sixth, peat and repeat.

  11. Let me first very clearly state that I loathe the PC media and culture, nor do I like the idea of mass immigration from the Muslim world. Having said that, I do think it is a reasonable question to ask why within the Muslim world some people decide to become suicide bombers/killers and others do not.

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    Give NYT some credit.

    It immediate connected the dots and found the clues about campus rape. Neo-Nazis do it. With broken glass too.

  13. Curious, isn’t it, how the New York Times and its entire, quite often enraged, mass of Lefty and Occupy and BlackLivesMatter and Moslem and La Raza ilk, and even the Government, NEVER need a clue to smear all whites with accusations of “systemic” and “institutionalized” racism and Islamophobia and xenophobia and genocide?

  14. “what might unite Brussels, Charlie Hebdo, and last fall’s Paris slaughter ”

    Is it NATO humanitarian intervention?

  15. Could it be weak-minded and easily influenced fundamentalists? Nah… we gotta be more specific so as not to include white people or bash Christianity for being as equally pathetic as Islam.

    Rubbish on all counts.

    Ayman al-Zawahiri is a physician. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has a Ph.D. Mohammed Atta studied engineering. Usama bin-Laden was well-educated and took the scholarly title of “sheikh.” These are not “weak-minded” people.

    As far as Christianity being “equally as pathetic” as Islam, there is a significant difference between Christianity and Islam, namely, that founder of Islam was a military and political figure who killed his opponents, while the founder of Christianity was explicitly apolitical and non-violent. Therefore, the serious, dedicated student of Mohamed would likely conclude that killing infidels and conquering territory is his religious duty, while the serious, dedicated student of Jesus cannot properly reach that same conclusion.

    The “weak-minded” are the faux sophisticates in the secular West, who are equally contemptuous of all religions and therefore fail to understand the profound differences between them.

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  16. The only sufficient condition to be a suicide bomber / killer is

    1) Belief in the literal truth of the Koran, and of the rewards in paradise for killing infidels

    Beyond that, it just comes down to who has the motivation and the means.

    Clearly the fact that the ranks of Islamic suicide terrorists are stuffed with popular middle class and upper middle class people with bright futures (Tsarnayevs, the Glasgow airport bombing doctors, San Bernardino, the 9/11 guys with masters degrees, the underpants bomber whose father was a minister, etc) tells us that the standard left wing explanations – poverty, racism, and so on – play no role.

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    How can any intelligent human being read the NYT? Seriously.

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    From the gang member in the inner city who terrorizes his neighborhood to the alienated muslim man who joins an islamist group to terrorize his immediate community or the world community, all of these males share this simple fact- they have a life without purpose and want to connect/belong to something. This is not hard to figure out… young men without jobs, skills, education and girlfriends have nothing to live for. Why don’t we start thinking about how we can work on giving these young men hope for their future instead of ignoring their pain and emptiness?

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  19. You people know that the children that white women will have with these Syrians will basically look white right, or at the very least look Italian, Spanish, or Greek. And the only way you will know they are not white is by means of DNA test to look for Semitic genetic markers, so what are you guys so worried about Europe becoming non-European? In fact it can even be argued that these refugees are a plus to Europe’s white population,, at a time when native European birth rates are below replacement rate since the children they will have white looking features, and can basically pass for white. Basically even if Germany becomes 50% Muslim the children of those Muslim men and white women will still look whiter than Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia, or Chris Christie. So it is not as if a Muslim Germany will have people that look like Saddam, of course Black Africans are a different matter altogether.

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  20. There is no point in talking about terror. No one will agree on the definition, they will say the US killed more at Hiroshima etc. And really I don’t care why someone would become a terrorist as opposed to a soldier as opposed to someone who votes to put me out of existence. All I care to know is what culture or group of people want to destroy the western liberal order? I can answer it easily: Islam and the New York Times.

  21. Does anyone notice how these wretched foreigners worship a God who hates Art? These people, their big black beards, bellies, when they make their women put on the mask, everyday they sweat and no shower, everything with them is brusque, the native color of their skin is disgusting. How can they possibly evolve if they literally can’t look at pictures of how wretched they are? Their customs are sand ridden. Lets just say it Osamas skin color was excrement average. Camels don’t look ugly to them even though they’re grotesque. Blow me up cause they won’t make me a bronze statue. They deal rugs for crying out loud. Who the fuck would trust a rug worshiper. Seven eleven sucks.

  22. “I’ll admit, nobody paid me millions of dollars for my clue, but still …”

    They don’t need to pay anyone anything for that answer. They’re paying millions of dollars to come up with any other answer.

  23. >>>More than a decade later, law enforcement officials and government-funded community groups still regard money problems as an indicator of radicalization.

    Of course money is the root of the problem. We are not paying the Jizya and that is pissing them off. If we would just pay the Jizya then all would be OK.

  24. Holy Godwin’s Law, Batman!!

    If only Wiemar Germany had been able to support young Adolf Hitler as an artist…

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  25. In a similar vein regarding Barack Hussein Obama.
    How dare you call a man with three Muslim names a Muslim!
    How dare you call a man with two Muslim fathers a Muslim! We are outraged!

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  26. Clever satirist or liberal stooge? It’s a fine line. It’s a very fine line.

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  27. We will entertain reasonable explanations. But demanding a more granular explanation before taking action is a recipe for failure.

  28. Haha. Don’t hold back Pat!

  29. Let me first very clearly state that I loathe the PC media and culture, nor do I like the idea of mass immigration from the Muslim world. Having said that, I do think it is a reasonable question to ask why within the Muslim world some people decide to become suicide bombers/killers and others do not.

    Division of labor.

  30. It’s really impossible to tell these days.

    In other news, Margaret Cho (she’s still a thing?) blames her being heckled on “white privilege”.

    http://pagesix.com/2016/03/28/behind-the-scenes-of-margaret-chos-white-privilege-rant/?_ga=1.49445603.457790240.1459087253

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  31. When will they start calling them “white Muslims”?

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  32. Common denominator today is if they are a devout follower of Islam, the more devout the greater the chances of them going “lets kill the infidels”.

    The thing is the exhortations to kill us unbelievers are everywhere in serious Muslim literature from the Koran, to the very popular “The Reliance of the Traveler” to more innocuous Sufi texts like “The Alchemy of Happiness” that urges raids and killing of infidels. The Sunni Muslim center of theological thought in Cairo Al Azar University backstops all of it and won’t condemn ISIS as being un-Islamic. Which should be warning enough.

    Look what happened in Iraq when Bush turned over the country to mainline Shia and Sunni elements – the first thing they did was butcher Christians, Sufis, Yadzis, emo’s, gays, liquor store owners, women who walked alone, etc. Those religious thugs were the ones we sacrificed 4000 of our men for and countless others maimed.

    Or what happened in Egypt when Hillary and company kicked out Mubarack and replaced them with MB types.

    This should have warned a bunch of arrogant and ignorant Westerner intellectuals and politicians what the hell they were dealing with. It seems to be worse as you go to the right of the bell curve for some odd reason.

    It’ all made worse given who is running the mosques in the West – Saudi trained imans that usually preach the most vile version of Islam. usually Salafism. Other mosques like the one in San Bernadino preached a noxious variant out of Pakistan(Deobandis).

    Here’s something the West could do. Monitor the mosques and what is preached and by whom and what sort of literature do they peddle. We should expell any that preach jihad and promote Sharia law.

    As far as the NYT they are just spewing idiocy like the rest of the Western intellectual elite that has lied to itself to the point that they made themselves morally and intellectually bankrupt.

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  33. What, oh, what could be the common factor?

    They write backwards. The answer is to train them in boustrophedon.

  34. How dare you call a man with two Muslim fathers a Muslim!

    Hussein has two daddies?

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  35. Margaret Cho (she’s still a thing?)

    Yes. But she’s slipped to being Thing 2.

  36. Not so many lives as all that. Terrorist attacks are nasty and spectacular, but don’t really take many lives in the west.

    It’s sensible to work out what radicalizes young Muslim men to become terrorists because several western countries, including the U.S., have substantial Muslim populations.

    Further, it’s an interesting psychological question. Sometimes there is a really destructive social trend or movement, and it captures a whole generation or two. Right now, there is such a movement among young Muslims in a lot of the world. This isn’t some thousand year old clash of cultures–a century ago, the future of the Muslim world looked to be secular socialist dictatorships, and the scary terrorist threat was European kids being caught up anarchist or socialist of facsist movements. A century from now, Islamic fundamentalist terror will be a thing of the past, and some new horror will be drawing the people with low resistance in.

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  37. I hear there is great hope and purpose to be found in the noble and peaceful religion of Islam!!! Give them Islam to combat this insidious tendency to terrorism!

  38. I can’t believe it: 38 comments already, and nobody has picked up on the Truth:

    From the Chronicle of Higher Education: http://chronicle.com/article/Does-Engineering-Education/235800

    ” Does Engineering Education Breed Terrorists? ”

    There’s your missing connection right there (sarcasm = OFF)

    <<>>
    Faisal Shahzad hoped to kill dozens of pedestrians when he parked his Nissan Pathfinder near Times Square, loaded with improvised bombs. Four months earlier, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab tried to bring down a trans-Atlantic flight carrying 289 passengers by igniting explosives sewn into his underwear. Last year, Mohammad Youssef Abdulazeez opened fire on two military facilities in Tennessee, killing five soldiers.

    Like Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, Azahari Husin, and Mohamed Atta, these men sought to commit acts of terror in the name of Islam.

    But all six also shared something else. They had studied engineering.

    Researchers have long noticed that an oddly large number of jihadists have engineering backgrounds.
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  39. I remember that from the 1970s — Muslim terrorists back then were disproportionately engineering grads.

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  40. It’s like a hostage tape.

    NYT: “We have been studying terrorism for decades. There’s no clear motive behind scores of atrocities. We can’t find a common thread among the perpetrators. Experts agree, there just doesn’t seem to be an answer. We must keep funding research. We must get to the bottom of this.”

    NYT (blinking in Morse code): “Disregard words. Have gun pointed at me. It’s MUSLIMS, repeat, MUSLIMS.”

    (Apply same decoding technique to NYT articles on the Stubborn Achievement Gap.)

  41. It’s also sensible to do your best not to have a substantial Muslim population.

  42. Most Arabs are not very ingenious but what little ingenuity they have they seem to apply to making clever bombs.

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    Weather Underground, Bader Meinhof Complex, Red Army Faction, Black Hand, John Brown and The Secret Six: what is the common factor?

    That they are all irrelevant now? John Brown died before the Civil War. Maybe these days we suffer from too much information to think.

  44. The ones who weren’t STEM grads were too stupid and disorganized to carry out any successful plots.

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  45. In The U.S who is more likely to become a terrorist and join up with ISIS? An 80 year old White Jewish lady from Boca Raton, Florida or a 20 year old Somali man in Minneapolis?

    I suppose one of them is more likely to become a terrorist and the other is more likely to have spent her lifetime voting for politicians who let that terrorist in.

  46. I’ve noticed that everytime I see something on TV where local college kids in the Middle East are being interviewed, such as at Cairo University, they are invariably engineering majors with absolutely no prospects of being hired as engineers upon graduation.

  47. People like Pat Buchanan have often said that the secular attacks on religion are actually attacks on Christianity. I am starting to believe this. Everything the secularists attack Christianity over Islam does on steroids. The amount of rationalizing over Islamic terror is unreal. Can you imagine the MSM and others giving Christianity such a sympathetic view if Christians were doing this?

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  48. Pity that Chronicle of Higher Education piece doesn’t say a thing about Social Justice engineers.

  49. I do think it is a reasonable question to ask why within the Muslim world some people decide to become suicide bombers/killers and others do not.

    I suppose it’s similar to how a very few in our society join the infantry while the vast majority never serve.

  50. Um…..no.

    There have been down the centuries serried ranks of observers who have noted the Muslim propensity for jihad and general prickliness.

    It ebbs and flows but it is always there and it always comes back. If Islam, as is, survives for another century then there will jihad and this is very likely because Islam does not contain within itself any mechanism for reform.

    John Quincy Adams:

    “The precept of the koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force…”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/08/obama-spreads-false-claim-that-thomas-jefferson-hosted-first-ramadan-iftar-dinner-at-white-house

  51. “When will they start calling them “white Muslims”?”

    The mainstream media refers to them as “Europeans”, so they have already been Whitewashed.

    When a Black Muslim in London chopped off the head of a White Infidel, the mainstream media kept referring to that killer as a “British” man.

  52. I have tended to assume that attacks on religion in general and Christianity in particular in recent years are typically prompted by a desire to defuse Islam by the back door.

    This smashing at the foundations of Western Civ, and indeed much else, seems to me the cowards way out that risks bringing down the whole edifice and thus achieving what the Islamists wish for in the first place.

    That feted talk show gunslinger Christopher Hitchens’s jabs at Islam were blunted as merely being part of his boringly repeated distaste for religion in general.

    (I know the West isn’t particularly Christian any more but it runs in the DNA and remains still potentially potent.)

    I cannot otherwise explain the virulence of some of the new atheists unless, as elsewhere, the point is the humiliation and demoralisation of what is left of old order.

  53. “People like Pat Buchanan have often said that the secular attacks on religion are actually attacks on Christianity. I am starting to believe this. Everything the secularists attack Christianity over Islam does on steroids. The amount of rationalizing over Islamic terror is unreal. Can you imagine the MSM and others giving Christianity such a sympathetic view if Christians were doing this?”

    It is like Feminists who blame White men for creating a rape culture, when Black men and Muslim men do rape culture on steroids.

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  54. “Basically even if Germany becomes 50% Muslim the children of those Muslim men and white women will still look whiter than Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia, or Chris Christie.”

    Are you saying most half Northern European and half Arab Muslim people look Nordic? Cher and Kim Kardashian are half Northern European and half Armenian and they do not look even remotely Nordic. And Armenians have nowhere near as much Sub Saharan African admixture as Arab Muslims. I doubt very much most half Arab Muslims are going to look closer to Hillary Clinton in phenotype than to Kim Kardashian and Cher.

    The Lebanese Casey Kasem’s daughter is half Northern European and she doesn’t look Nordic either.

  55. This propels the NYT into the stratosphere of the absurd, where no missile of satire or parody can touch it. Has a civilization ever gone through a phase as insane as this and survived? I can’t think of any that did.

  56. This is a City-Data thread about people who get mistaken for ethnic/racial groups that they are not.

    http://www.city-data.com/forum/genealogy/1014239-you-ever-mistaken-race-ethnicity-ancestry.html

    There is a female on that thread who lives in San Diego who is the off spring of a half Palestinian and half Syrian father and a Scottish, English, and Dutch mother. She said Mexicans often mistake her for one of them because of her black hair and olive skin. She didn’t inherit the Nordic phenotype of her mother.

  57. Adolf Hitler sought entry to an art school in Hapsburg Austria-Hungary’s Vienna, but otherwise the point is good.

  58. I thought that one aspect of secular Turkey was that sermons preached in mosques had to be censored and approved by the government. Kemal Ataturk understood the nature of Islam very well. The free exercise clause of the First Amendment was never designed to accommodate a totalitarian ideology such as Islam.

  59. Having said that, I do think it is a reasonable question to ask why within the Muslim world some people decide to become suicide bombers/killers and others do not.

    If we made sure they stayed within the Muslim world, it wouldn’t matter a damn which of them did or did not become suicide bombers. Many tigers eat people. Many Muslims kill people. It’s a problem that we should only be considering at an academic level, from a safe distance, if at all.

  60. It’s deliberate cluelessness. One almost wonders if there’s not a bit of Dalrymple

    “When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is…in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.

    More and more journalists seem to be emasculated liars.

    In the UK, the top imam at Scotland’s largest mosque calls the Islamist assassin, who murdered a Pakistani politician for defending Christians, “a true Muslim“.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14383412.Imam_at_Scotland_s_biggest_mosque_praises_Islamist_assassin/?ref=mr&lp=2

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35893123

    “BBC Religious Affairs Correspondent Caroline Wyatt – The support for Qadri expressed in the UK by some Muslims from a group within Islam that is generally regarded as moderate was unexpected. Those supporting his actions came from within Sunni Islam, and a group known as Barelvis, who control just under 40% of mosques in the UK. These Sufis are not generally connected with jihadist groups, and present themselves in Pakistan and elsewhere as defenders of a moderate, peaceful Islam. However, on the day of Qadri’s funeral, one of the co-directors of the Association of British Muslims, Paul Salahuddin-Armstrong, was so shocked by comments on social media in the UK praising the killer that he wrote a blog post. “Horrified… I honestly don’t know where to begin,” he said. He said he was also “appalled” to find a prominent mosque in Birmingham – the Ghamkol Sharif – had termed Qadri a “martyr” on its website. “

    The following month a Glasgow Muslim shopkeeper who wished a happy Easter to his “beloved Christian nation” on Facebook is stabbed to death on Good Friday in what police called a “religiously prejudiced” attack. A Muslim man has been arrested.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35904406

    Then we had the Lahore outrage.

    You’d think someone might put two and two together. Yet the Guardian hasn’t reported the imam’s remarks at all, and the BBC hasn’t reported them or radio or TV news, let alone doing the in-depth handwringing and emoting about ‘hate speech’ that would be mandatory if white people were the perps.

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  61. You forgot John Wilkes Booth.

  62. So, am I understanding correctly? We should set up a gov’t program to issue these young men jobs and girlfriends?

  63. Oh dear. Slothful induction.

    The worst thing is, they think we’re too stupid to notice.

  64. The suicide bombers / killers are the ones who read the Koran and take its message seriously.

  65. Speaking at Kanal D TV”s Arena program, PM Erdogan commented on the term “moderate Islam”, often used in the West to describe AKP and said, “˜These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”

    Source: Milliyet, Turkey, August 21, 2007

  66. I (and others) noticed the same thing too, but, as usual, the Chronical of Higher Ed misses the significance of the observation. When a society/economy is pre-industrial, most of socially respectable men are farmers, artisans, merchants, etc. As possibilities for modern industrialism begin to emerge, ambitious families send their sons to engineering/technical schools. If you go to Arab/Muslim societies, you’ll find engineering credentials are very common among what passes for the modern middle class. In as much as isolated goat herders don’t have the resources to launch a terrorism career, the terrorists that reach the West are from the same middlish classes where engineering degrees prevail. The engineering credentials are an effect of their class, not a cause.

    Engineering/technical credentials were once very common in the West too among the mover/shaker class starting in the 19th century up to about a generation ago (they are now displaced by the useless legal/financial parasites). The difference is the Western engineering/technicals produced innovations that revolutionized the world. The Arab/Muslim engineering/technicals produced approximately nothing. When the Western e/t’s wanted to step back and to do something of cultural significance, they wrote imaginative science fiction. When the Arab/Muslim e/t’s want to do something significant, they attack infidels.

  67. I’ve seen this here before, but there couldn’t be a more opportune time…

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  68. Darn, try this link instead:

  69. You people know that the children that white women will have with these Syrians will basically look white right, or at the very least look Italian, Spanish, or Greek.

    You seem pretty sure of this outcome, but it’s more complicated and interesting than that.

    Distinct human populations don’t just mix overnight. If they end up sharing the same territory, and actually live in peace with each other, then they basically just form parallel societies, one usually higher status than the other.

    It usually takes generations, and sometimes even thousands of years, for such parallel populations to really mix and blend together, if at all. We know this from ancient and recent history, and now also ancient European DNA. Modern society and mass media don’t appear to make it easier (see Brazil, US, UK maybe except parts of London).

    But a lot can happen in the meantime, including out migrations, like perhaps large-scale white flight, which is a very real possibility in this case IMO.

    And no, mixing Germans with Near Easterners won’t produce Southern Europeans. Not in any way that I can think of. Again, it’s more complicated than you assume. But you’re probably just trolling.

  70. + stepfather

  71. We need to harness our inner Robespierre to get this Thermidorian Reaction going:

    Fellow Marines need to come out and say Marines who have unconscious bias against the ability for women to fight in combat are themselves unfit to defend this great democracy and the equality for which it stand for. A Marine that does not do so, is not a true Marine.

    If people believe that Islam is at the root of all this terror, then they too have hate in their hearts and are thus more responsible for our destruction than the terrorists themselves.

    People who can consciously or unconsciously discern the race of others have proven themselves to lack the dispassionate equality that is necessary to perform their job in the nondiscriminative manner that is demanded by the law, and should be re-educated or terminated to rectify the flaw.

    Those who view these calls as extreme or exaggerated may simply lack the moral courage to walk the steps towards a fairer society and are doomed to repeat the failures of the 1930′s.

  72. A century from now, Islamic fundamentalist terror will be a thing of the past, and some new horror will be drawing the people with low resistance in.

    A century from now Islamic fundamentalism will be so normal and accepted it will be on TV like The Sopranos (which was after a century of Italian/Sicilian immigration): continuous violence and corruption proportional to their percentage in the population.

    At current rates of Muslim settlement, a century from now, Muslims will be so numerous that de facto Sharia law will exist in many if not most areas of the West. There will be no “fundamentalism” only Sharia law. Sharia is not racist or fundamentalist, it is the only law that Muslims can be persuaded to obey. It is the only law that resonates in their hearts. Further, it is economical: losing a hand for theft right on the spot sans wasteful judges and juries is very efficient. Like lynching.

    The real problem for Europe is the speed of the demographic transformation. Education requires dispersal and time–generations of time. Even if there was a way to educate/civilize the Muslim hordes, their battalions of conquering males are now arriving so fast that white people will have to drop every civilization-building and sustaining activity in order to feed, clothe, house, medicate and police Muslims. Thus, there is no time for education to work its magic.

    Further, they cannot be dispersed. They naturally gather in massive Muslim colonies like Malmo and Molenbeek. A German think tank has estimated that between 1.8M and 6.4M Muslims/Africans will arrive in 2016 alone. This will boost the breeding/fighting age male population in Germany by 30-80%. Jobless Muslim males will be fighting and fscking like crazy all over Germany.

    In one sense you are right. Perhaps welcoming them and exerting a gentle educational influence will work. If the West had surrendered to the German invasions in WWI and relied on the gentle education of the invaders to work its magic, doubtless Europe would now be at peace. Germanic, but peaceful.

    Perhaps this educational approach will work in the 21st century with the millions of Muslim invaders. In a century Germany will be Muslim+dhimmi, but peaceful. Like Spain in the Golden Age of Muslim domination; a time in which the arts and philosophy flowered.

    More likely Europe will follow the path it did from 1944-1950 after WWII and do to the Muslims what it did to German ethnics: mass expulsion/rape/murder of Muslims–even quite peaceful Muslims–the way it expelled/raped/murdered nice, friendly, peaceful German ethnics all across Europe. Doctors, lawyers, farmers, poets, philosophers, veterinarians, shopkeepers, and tradesmen. They all had to go.

    And many (if not most) of those German ethnics were expelled from towns and villages they wrested from the wilderness and built 200-800 years before. After a mere 40 years of Muslim colonization in Europe, mass Muslim expulsion should be no problem.

  73. Of course, when a white man lacks any or all of these things, he’s simply told to “man up”, reminded that “nobody owes you anything” and called a “loser.”

  74. Hussein has two daddies?

    You are forgetting his step daddy Lolo Soetoro who adopted him as his Muslim son and sent Hussein to school in Indonesia registered as a Muslim where Hussein went to Madrassa type classes one hour or so a week. Where Koran is memorized in Arabic and recited in Arabic. Hussein was known as Barry Soetoro for how many years? During his Punahou School years. And beyond this, you will have to look it up. Did he attend Occidental College with this name? I don’t know.

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  75. Yeah well, Christians must share in the same smear. They did pathetic acts like building the country, initiated higher education, started hospitals, and placed value on the individual.

  76. Garry Shandling was an engineering major at one time. What’s the venn diagram of engineering/terrorism/comedians look like?

  77. young men without jobs, skills, education and girlfriends have nothing to live for.

    But that is not the profile of Islamist terrorists. Whether it is the Tamerlan Tsarnayev, the San Bernardino asshole, Mohammed Atta, or on down the list, Islamist terrorists often have degrees, jobs, and girlfriends or wives.

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  78. Actually the experience has been that well over half of Muslim immigrants don’t marry native women, but import their brides from abroad. And then they have children – lots of them. And then those children import their husbands and wives from abroad – often their first cousins. And then they have children – lots of them. And then they have children – lots of them. And then those children import their husbands and wives from abroad.

    Starting to get the picture? In England the share of Muslims who import their spouses is over 60%.

    And besides, there is an easy way to determine if the son or daughter of a Muslim man is Muslim. I won’t give it away or anything, but it has something to do with surnames.

    Aside from that, there’s the fact that Muslims are more ok with allowing their sons to marry white women but not so ok with allowing their daughters to marry white men. Try dating a Muslim woman and you very well might find yourself in the morgue. So we are basically dooming a fair share of white men to celibacy.

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  79. The state better keep these young White men drugged up else they might, you know, do something.

  80. funny how NYT is instantly clued up when its about terrorism in Israel, but otherwise smugly plays dumb.

  81. “None are so blind as those who will not see”

    None are so blind as those who DO NOT WANT TO see

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  82. About 3-4 years after 9/11 I was dating a nice, artsy girl – at worst only slightly leftist, so far as I could tell, but pretty much apolitical. I was already into guys like Mark Steyn at the time, and pretty sure I had already bought copy of “Camp of the Saints.”

    One night not long after some some terrorist attack or another – and perhaps ever so slightly drunk – I made my opinion about Muslim immigration very, very clear. She dropped her jaw like I had just suggested genocide or something. It was eye opening. At no point would she accept the possibility that banning Muslim immigration was an acceptable thing. She’d sooner see millions of people die due to terrorism than judge people based on whatever group they belonged to. Even telling her that we were already basically discriminating among immigrants (given numerical restrictions) wasn’t enough to persuade her.

    There is something in the leftist brain that rebels against rational decision making – at least when it doesn’t relate directly to their own self-interest. They have been so thoroughly brainwashed by the multicult that changing their minds on the matter would be all but impossible. They’d sooner sacrifice every single freedom we have than commit the crime of “discrimination.”

    That argument was a sign – two signs, actually. One, to end that relationship post haste. Two, an understanding of how nearly impossible it would be to ever convince a majority of Americans or Europeans away from their brainwashed opposition to “discrimination.” Election outcomes in Europe seem to prove my point. “Right wing” political parties are rising, but at most they only get about 20-30% of the vote. The rest of the people in those countries would sooner commit suicide than dare to do anything ever so slightly racist.

    Our civilization is on the verge of extinction, and there is not a damn thing the majority is willing to do about it. The number of victims of terrorism will have to climb a hundredfold before the majority ever comes close to accepting the obvious.

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  83. One of the myriad intellectual failings of the left is a complete lack of a sense of proportionality.

    Allow me to respond in the form of a question; Quebec City has murders. Caracas has murders. Are they equally violent cities?

  84. This isn’t some thousand year old clash of cultures–a century ago, the future of the Muslim world looked to be secular socialist dictatorships

    if this is true, then there’s your answer. someone prevented them from becoming “secular socialist dictatorships” the same way they suppressed left wing movements in LatAm. One thing about socialists, and nationalists in general, is they control their stuff (natural resources) and don’t participate in the exploitative World (=American) Capitalist System, and this is bad for bidnis.

    So it makes sense to promote the joys of pre-modernity (religious extremism, irrationality etc) there and keep them in this pre-modern, pre-national (feudal) condition (not that it’s hard, considering Islam already being predisposed to those things.)

    And because erecting post-nationalism is, dialectically and common sense-wise, the same thing as reverting to pre-nationalism (before 1789 or 1848, say) for their purposes, what happens in the West is simply the system having gone full circle and started devouring it’s own people for profit – the way it did since forever, all over the 3rd world.

    Think of Marxism what you like. In terms of the economic dynamics between empires and their periphery, Marxists are dead-on and always have been.

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  85. Charley Manson had several girlfriends although his accomplishments as a mass murderer were comparatively pathetic by Islamic standards.

  86. I know it sounds crazy, but I’ve thought of a factor that ties together all the terrorist incidents mentioned in this article. I’ll admit, nobody paid me millions of dollars for my clue, but still …

    I have a clue, too. And I won’t even charge millions for it. Just one million would do me fine.

    Okay, okay….$900,000…but that’s as low as I’ll go.

  87. Progressives? Bernie’s progenitors the Communists? Clues clues .

  88. “Muslim” is not the word you’re looking for. Iranians and Turks do not become terrorists. The common thread among those two groups of Muslims is probably higher IQ relative to other Muslims, and certainly the fact that Turks and Persians were never colonized. Turkey is a 21st century success story even compared to “Christian” Latin America or most of the Balkans, Iran has suffered under the Mullahs but still has a strong sense of its own cultural worth and its history. Iran is like China in the early 1980s – shitty now but there is a lot of optimism about the future. North Africans on the other hand come from shit-hole countries that for centuries were famous mainly for piracy, were treated like shit by French colonists and have failed resoundingly at developing working models of government since independence. Terrorism seems to spring up when the cognitive dissonance between the status supposedly conferred on you by your membership in the notionally triumphant Islamic community and the reality that your ethnic group are mostly losers becomes untenable.

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  89. [A] Glasgow Muslim shopkeeper who wished a happy Easter to his “beloved Christian nation” on Facebook is stabbed to death on Good Friday in what police called a “religiously prejudiced” attack. A Muslim man has been arrested.

    Kill one, educate a thousand. I suspect there’s a lot more of this street-level violence that goes unnoticed outside of local crime-blotter reports. The mohammedan extremists may not be well-loved in their communities, but they know how to keep their less-motivated brethren in line.

  90. There was no right answer here. Sure, it’s bad that they bring spouses from the home country to refresh the traditional culture and values, rather than melt into the dominant culture. But, at the same time, would we really want the miscegenation with third world types that not bringing in spouses would entail? Especially for the lower classes, it would be a death sentence for social mobility. And it would really be a death knell for any hope of reverse immigration. Also, I would bet that more peoples have been co-mingled out of existence than have been destroyed through deliberate genocide over the aeons. Ask yourself – in the US, with what race will the child of a White parent and a Black parent identify? Now and forever, the resulting child of population mixing within Western countries will most likely identity with his more privileged minority side.

    Not that I mind it much when individuals make such a decision. But it should not be the government’s business to encourage it.

  91. You make some good points, but I’d like to add that I don’t think it is very surprising that Turkey did better than its former satrapies which were, with the exception of Greece, also Communist countries.

  92. Everything the secularists attack Christianity over Islam does on steroids.

    ah, but they have no agency. you gotta have agency to be responsible.

    From Greenland’s icy mountains,
    From India’s coral strand,
    Where Afric’s sunny fountains
    Roll down their golden sand;

    From many an ancient river,
    From many a palmy plain,
    They call us to deliver
    Their land from error’s chain!

    What though the spicy breezes
    Blow soft o’er Ceylon’s isle,
    Though every prospect pleases,
    And only man is vile:

    In vain with lavish kindness
    The gifts of God are strown,
    The heathen in his blindness
    Rows down to wood and stone!


    Can we, whose souls are lighted
    With Wisdom from on high,
    Can we to men benighted
    The lamp of life deny?

    Salvation! oh, Salvation!
    The joyful sound proclaim.
    Till each remotest nation
    Has learn’d Messiah’s name.

    Waft, waft, ye winds, his story,
    And you, ye waters, roll,
    Till like a sea of glory
    It spreads from pole to pole!
    Till o’er our ransom’d nature.
    The Lamb for sinners slain.
    Redeemer, King, Creator,
    In bliss returns to reign!

  93. Yes that would be a more colloquial way of saying exactly what I wrote. Thank you for translating my comment for the double digit IQ community.

  94. “Clueless NYT Asks: “Who Will Become a Terrorist? Research Yields Few Clues””

    Aside from who is doing the terrorizing (and, yes, the answer is “Muslims”), another good question to ask is why do we turn our entire society upside down to repulse sporadic attacks on rather predictable targets. Except for a few outliers, these attacks have all occured in national capitals (either governmental or cultural, or both): New York City, Brussels, Paris, London. This doesn’t effect most people. It doesn’t effect me. I don’t see why my liberties should be restricted for marginal gains – to save a few lives in a handful of places. Especially as the measures they take don’t really even protect anyone. The only sure protection from muslim terrorists would be to exclude muslims from our countries.

    Washington and New York elites don’t give a flying f**k about the safety of people out in fly0ver country. Why should we be especially concerned about thier safety?

  95. Even if your assumptions about mating behavior were correct — and they are not — it’s not the looks that most people are concerned about; it’s the inherited personality traits, learned beliefs and culture, and resulting behaviors that are of most concern. Check out HBD Chick on manoralism , the Hajnal line and other such topics. I don’t care that a Bosnian mohammed-worshipper is as pale skinned as a Circassian and as blonde-haired and blue-eyed as a Swede. What I care about is whether he’s going to be setting off bombs, attacking “loose” women on the streeets, and engaging in other like behaviors that have so endeared recent mohammed-worshipping immigrants to their European neighbors.

  96. I thought yesterday the capitol shooter was going to be another nutty white right wing lunatic. This morning they are finally posting photos. He is black. Not Muslim, though.

  97. Everything the secularists attack Christianity over Islam does on steroids. The amount of rationalizing over Islamic terror is unreal.

    ah, but that would mean granting them agency. one must have agency in order to be held responsible for anything.

    they don’t do it because they mean it. rather, it’s their way of calling on YT “to deliver their land from error’s chain.”

    either that (SJWdom is warped Quakerism) or, another possibility is the World Capitalist Class really “hate hate hate” political stability (I.e. what serious people like Naomi Klein have been saying) and financial soundness (why does every policy looks as though it was designed to bankrupt the state in the long run?) because it stands in the way of a massive resource and power grab and of which the West, compared with the 3rd world, still has plenty (the stability, I mean.)

    probably, it’s a mixture of both.

  98. Sort of tangentially related, in a MSM critique sort of way…

    So I visited CNN dot com to find out further about the gunplay at Capitol Hill yesterday…and there’s nothing even on the front page. In a way that was a relief, because it knew that the lack of info meant that it wasn’t some idiot skinhead or kluxer. Or even a fundamentalist Mormon.

    And of course the burying of the story and its replacement by, for example, ‘Why Ben Affleck is Going Viral’, lead me to conclude one thing…and we all know what that is.

    And sure enough here is Mr Larry Dawson…disgraced funeral director and Prophet of God.

    To be fair to Mr. Dawson, it appears he had only a ‘realistic looking pellet gun’ i.e. a pellet gun, and the cops shot him causing both him and at least one bystander injury.

  99. Ayman al-Zawahiri is a physician. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has a Ph.D. Mohammed Atta studied engineering. Usama bin-Laden was well-educated and took the scholarly title of “sheikh.” These are not “weak-minded” people.

    So a small number of intelligent and charismatic leaders take advantage of a large number of followers who are too stupid to say “you first” when told to suicide bomb? Yep I’m sticking with my version.

    As far as Christianity being “equally as pathetic” as Islam, there is a significant difference between Christianity and Islam, namely, that founder of Islam was a military and political figure who killed his opponents, while the founder of Christianity was explicitly apolitical and non-violent.

    Nobody cares. Every purported benefit of any religion could be duplicated by other non-religious groups or movements without the bullcrap accompanying dogma and science denial. Humanity moves forward and young people reject religion in droves for obvious reasons; it’s a fairy tale with no basis in reality, no positive effect on society, and is really just a safe haven for those who are too pathetic to accept mortality.

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  100. Everything the secularists attack Christianity over Islam does on steroids. The amount of rationalizing over Islamic terror is unreal.

    ah, but that would mean granting them agency. one must have agency in order to be held responsible for anything.

    they don’t do it because they mean it. rather, it’s their way of calling on YT “to deliver their land from error’s chain.”

    either that (SJWdom is warped Quakerism) or, another possibility is the World Capitalist Class really “hate hate hate” stability of which the West, compared with the 3rd world, still has plenty.

    a country (or rather, a government) that doesn’t have some weaponizable minority is harder to do bidnis with.

    probably, it’s a mixture of both.

  101. ““Truancy is also going to be an early warning sign for violent extremism,” ”

  102. There is something in the leftist brain that rebels against rational decision making – at least when it doesn’t relate directly to their own self-interest.

    A few days ago, Michelle Malkin spoke of “virtue signaling.” I do believe it’s as good a phrase to explain the “rationale” behind the leftist mind (also, the minds of most American and Euro young people, esp. those with any college) as any other I’ve heard:

    To borrow a useful phrase coined by British journalist James Bartholomew last year, we have reached the oversaturation point of post-terrorism “virtue signaling:” Hashtags, avatars and animated GIFs ad nauseam. These are the easy advertisements and maudlin displays of one’s resolute opposition to an unidentified something that must be stopped somehow by unspoken means.

  103. “Try dating a Muslim woman and you very well might find yourself in the morgue.”

    The only types of Muslim women who are open to dating White Infidel men are those from Indonesia and Malaysia.

    I have read about some cases of White men marrying Indonesian women and Malaysian women.

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    Yeaahh…..here’s the thing, the Boston bombers were popular with the ladies, the San Bernardino shooters were married and the husband had a job, the 9/11 hijackers were mostly educated, the taliban were the government of Afghanistan. I dont think job programs and counseling would have dissuaded them. In fact, all of them have in common a strong sense of belonging starting long before they blew themselves up. They all belonged to muspim congregations and had islam as a basic part of their identity.

  105. And we haven’t even mentioned Frank Marshall Davis yet!

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  106. “Iranians and Turks do not become terrorists. “

    Who blew up that Jewish centre in Argentina? Admittedly they’ve been pretty quiet since.

    And while Turks don’t seem to get spontaneous jihad syndrome much (in London running cafes and dealing heroin seem to be important economic sectors), I’m wary of the people who could carry out the Armenian and Greek genocides, not to mention the nineteenth-century horrors in Bulgaria.

  107. The common denominator is Islam. That is the take home message. No Muslims, little or no terror. So let’s not waste time trying to figure out who among the Muslim population is likely to blow people to bits. Instead, focus on keeping them out of our countries and repatriating those who are already here back to their ancestral desert kingdoms. My God, we dropped an atomic bomb on a civilian population in Japan. How morally difficult would it be to send the Muslim population back home safely?

  108. Well said. It is true that the progressive mind does seem impermeable to cause and effect and is incapable of defending Western civilization. I have always maintained that the problems in our society are not primarily coming from Muslims, or black criminality, or Jewish control of our institutions, but result from the liberal mentality. Absent the liberal mentality, all of these problems could be solved reasonably and rapidly. But the liberal mind cannot see the rot that their liberalism has caused in our society, the enabling of the evil and the malicious, and hence they prevent the rest of us from taking the steps that must be taken to repair our nation. There is no cure for stupid, and the white liberal will be the death of us all.

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  109. Terrorism seems to spring up when the cognitive dissonance between the status supposedly conferred on you by your membership in the notionally triumphant Islamic community and the reality that your ethnic group are mostly losers becomes untenable.

    Accurate and humorous! I read that Somalis in the USA and The West have that very high Islamic opinion of themselves and look down their snouts at everybody else, Muslim and otherwise. Nicholas Stix’s description of “toxic levels of self esteem” comes to mind. http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2012/09/blacks-toxic-levels-of-self-esteem-you.html

  110. a large percentage of men should be either technicians or engineers. Probably in those cultures there aren’t a lot of female guidance counselors telling young men to go be community organizers. If the guys like gadgets and tools, they tell them to be engineers, which probably covers most of the technicians too.

    For all those here who are now admitting to being “racist”, well, I’m a “sexist”.

  111. EriK

    “I love when Steve sticks his knife in and then keeps turning.”

    The only verbal shiv is this fact–terrorist groups, regardless of their affiliation, are extremists who have the symptoms to be diagnosed as sociopaths.

    Jeffferson

    “An 80 year old White Jewish lady from Boca Raton, Florida or a 20 year old Somali man in Minneapolis?”

    Yes, the tendency is for those Americans of Middle Eastern descent to join Isis. Not surprising here–the SAME motivations ANY group of people who feel wronged or ostracized or seek “justice”. Militancy has no race nor ethnicity nor religion. But, the fact remains it is rare for a Muslim American to join ISIS and engage in Jihad. It is a Chicken Little personified.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/07/isis-foreign-fighters-political-pilgrims/399209

    And here is the occasional white dude who champions the ISIS cause.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/jihadi-jack-jack-letts-reportedly-first-white-british-male-to-join-isis-a6830836.html

    Hubbub

    So, first, bring in more refugees and immigrants from totally alien Muslim societies…

    How many SIS attacks on American soil? How many American Muslims are known jihadists? How many Muslim communities in the United States officially have replaced the Constitution with Sharia law?

    Dr. X

    “Ayman al-Zawahiri is a physician. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has a Ph.D. Mohammed Atta studied engineering. Usama bin-Laden was well-educated and took the scholarly title of “sheikh. These are not “weak-minded” people.”

    They are “weak-minded people” in that their proclivity for bloodlust supersedes their intellectual capacity to reason. They obviously have a warped sense of morality.

    “ that founder of Islam was a military and political figure who killed his opponents, while the founder of Christianity was explicitly apolitical and non-violent. Therefore, the serious, dedicated student of Mohamed would likely conclude that killing infidels and conquering territory is his religious duty, while the serious, dedicated student of Jesus cannot properly reach that same conclusion.”

    Christianity was also spread with equal ferocity by the sword.

    Pat Casey

    “These people, their big black beards, bellies, when they make their women put on the mask, everyday they sweat and no shower, everything with them is brusque, the native color of their skin is disgusting. How can they possibly evolve if they literally can’t look at pictures of how wretched they are?”

    Are you speaking as a Christian or as a human being here?

    Bill B.

    Richard Henry Lee, June 7, 1776–True freedom embraces the Mahomitan and the Gentoo (Hindu) as well as the Christian religion.

    Thomas Jefferson–The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”

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  112. Your response is just as lame and ignorant as the NYT.

  113. Not sure you are right, but what happened a century ago is that the Europeans took apart the Ottoman Empire and created a bunch of little countries where they installed friendly dictators so they could exploit the ME’s wealth of oil and other treasures.

  114. Okay, I’m late to this thread but IMO this reporter is putting his very career on the line by writing consecutive paragraphs like this:

    When researchers do come up with possible answers, the government often disregards them. Not long after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, for instance, Alan B. Krueger, the Princeton economist, tested the widespread assumption that poverty was a key factor in the making of a terrorist. Mr. Krueger’s analysis of economic figures, polls, and data on suicide bombers and hate groups found no link between economic distress and terrorism.

    More than a decade later, law enforcement officials and government-funded community groups still regard money problems as an indicator of radicalization.

    That is way way outside the box of NYT thinking, far beyond the pale of what is acceptable to progressives. They could dump him in a heartbeat for that alone, notwithstanding the protective camouflage of the rest of the article.

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  115. There are notoriously few women in engineering programs. Possible connection?

  116. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Sydney_hostage_crisis

  117. Yeah that is not unusual. But the man must convert to Islam. It is usually pretty nominal and sometimes the man never thinks about it again but as far as the woman’s family are concerned he has converted.

    It all appears quite ‘moderate’ yet within those cultures the framework exists for a much more severe Islam to come rocketing in. Malaysia is sliding backwards and Indonesia could look very different in the future.

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  118. I remember someone saying that a lot of the British general staff in WW2 had been in the artillery in WW1 and this was not so much because they were the best officers but just that cavalry and infantry officers died off at a much faster rate in the first war. Maybe there were more engineering grads who made it big as terrorists because they survived the preliminary rounds at bomb making school?

  119. “Yeah that is not unusual. But the man must convert to Islam. It is usually pretty nominal and sometimes the man never thinks about it again but as far as the woman’s family are concerned he has converted.

    It all appears quite ‘moderate’ yet within those cultures the framework exists for a much more severe Islam to come rocketing in. Malaysia is sliding backwards and Indonesia could look very different in the future.”

    How is Malaysia sliding backwards? How are they becoming more like Arab Muslims?

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  120. Thomas Jefferson–The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”

    Nobody at that Christmas party in San Bernandino had their pocket picked. About the broken legs, at least one victim reported getting kneecapped.

    No broken legs in Cologne on New Years, but lots of petty theft. Pres. Jefferson didn’t cover sexual assault, so not clear on whether one should factor that in.

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  121. Chris Patten, the chancellor of Oxford University, told students campaigning to remove the statue of Cecil Rhodes in January that they might like to “think about being educated elsewhere”.

    Roger Scruton’s latest piece in the Spectator is in the same vein:

    “To show real respect for our Muslim citizens is to hold them to the same standard as we hold ourselves. And to those who seem to reject that standard we should put the vital questions: do you wish to belong to a civilisation in which women are in the public arena on equal terms with men? Do you wish to live under a shared rule of law, with those whom some of you regard as infidels? And what does your faith tell you about women and how they should be treated? Those questions should have been asked a long time ago and our welcome should have depended on the answers. But that is no reason not to ask them now and respect for our Muslim fellow citizens surely demands that we do so.”

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  122. Roger Scruton out n’ about in Airstrip One:

    https://clivedav184z.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/scruton.jpg

    Times have changed… Roger Scruton, former editor of The Salisbury Review, pays a visit to the Michaela Community School in Wembley. Photo posted on Twitter by the school’s headmistress, Katharine Birbalsingh (alias @Miss_Snuffy).

    https://clivedavis.net/2015/03/15/educating-roger/

    The era of writing pieces for the Spectator is over. Enoch Powell was allowed to write pieces for the Spectator after the Establishment ruled him out of bounds for a cabinet post. Powell wrote for the Spectator and eventually died of old age. Roger Scruton will write for the Spectator and, in turn, die of old age too. Winters will come and go and the Vibrants will keep on coming.

  123. Perusing the NYT comment section on this article we get the following as the top pick by the NYT, note the 6 count them 6 Facebook recommendations.

    George N. Wells Dover, NJ 1 day ago
    Terrorism is a tactic that is most often used by a weaker foe to make a point to a stronger force. Terrorism is not limited to Islam, or any religion for that matter.

    As many commenters have noted there are lots of people who use, or threaten to use, terrorism to convey their message inside the USA. The numbers of Islamic peoples committing or threatening terroristic acts is relatively small. Yet, we ignore the threats by people who look and sound like us and focus on those we perceive as different usually with the justification of: “We don’t know who they are…” We do know who the local Nazi, Clan Member, Women’s clinic bomber, hate monger with a personal arsenal, et cetera are – so we’re not frightened by them.

    A large part of the problem is that people can be sociopathic to psychopathic yet still live and function in society till they, as the phrase goes, snap! Unfortunately, the sociopath/psychopath is usually very good at “fitting-in” and we hardly notice them or overlook much of what they have to say. Give one of these socio/psychopathic people a cause and there is your terrorist threat. Psychology compounded by sociolgy, not religion is the issue.

    Flag6Recommend

    Now take a look at the readers top pick, and note 167 Facebook recommendations.

    Mark B Toronto 1 day ago
    This article clearly — and painfully —avoids the elephant in the room. To say that there are no clues to uncovering potential terrorists is completely disingenuous. We know who *not* to be worried about.

    Should we be worried the Amish? Jains? 5-year-old Icelandic girls? No, no, and no.

    Most terrorists today are jihadists. 100% of jihadists are Muslims who really believe in doctrines such as martyrdom and Paradise. Beliefs are what matter. Not education, wealth, nationality or skin color. Beliefs.

    Is it really so difficult to be this intellectually honest?

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    Despite the NYT’s best efforts I still have faith most folks have at least a little commons sense.

  124. The non-STEM failed guys are footnotes in a regional edition of the Darwin Awards.

  125. That was his pornsexual pansexual | gay mentor daddy | grand daddy |father figure stand in for his Kenyan daddy

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    Very, very sensible.

  127. “To show real respect for our Muslim citizens is to hold them to the same standard as we hold ourselves. And to those who seem to reject that standard we should put the vital questions: do you wish to belong to a civilisation in which women are in the public arena on equal terms with men? Do you wish to live under a shared rule of law, with those whom some of you regard as infidels? And what does your faith tell you about women and how they should be treated? Those questions should have been asked a long time ago and our welcome should have depended on the answers. But that is no reason not to ask them now and respect for our Muslim fellow citizens surely demands that we do so.”

    Scruton has gone full cuck. There was a time when he used to at least hover around the edges of race realism. What’s wrong with saying we like our country the way it is, and don’t want people who will change it? Non-whites will always change it, even if they promise “to live under our shared rule of law”, etc. First it was Americans that bought into this proposition nation nonsense, but now Europeans are also denying that their heritage has anything to do with race.

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  128. That’s it! Youth.

    We all know that except for a disgruntled few, most teenage boys are well-adjusted lads who get lots of tail and don’t read much or larp at all.

    Of the malcontents who don’t get laid or do larp, all of them join jihadi networks. Every single nerd is a potential head chopper, because alienation is the only common denominator, not ethnicity or religiosity.

    At least the comments sections of the NY Times isn’t the typical stew of SJW virtue signaling. This is too much even for the Times

  129. Nobody cares. Every purported benefit of any religion could be duplicated by other non-religious groups or movements without the bullcrap accompanying dogma and science denial. Humanity moves forward and young people reject religion in droves for obvious reasons; it’s a fairy tale with no basis in reality, no positive effect on society, and is really just a safe haven for those who are too pathetic to accept mortality.

    You might notice that atheists are not reproducing. For all your assertion that “every purported benefit of religion could be duplicated by other non-religious groups”, it’s difficult to come up with examples. There don’t seem to be many non-religious groups that duplicate the benefits of religion.

    Mind you, there are quite a few religious movements which don’t deny science, like Orthodox Judaism.

  130. IME, Wisconsin Quakers are mostly ex-Northeast neo-Bolshies.

  131. Why won’t anybody in the elite or UniParty say what the obvious common element is?

    Same reason you never say Beetlejuice three times in succession.

    I’m serious. I base this on a gut-wrenching number of interactions with Jihad Deniers on these matters. I repeatedly come away observing that they believe something of a seriously voodoo nature:

    If you don’t name it, it can’t hurt you.

    If it hurts someone else, it’s their fault for having done something to draw the bad juju. Like naming it.

    It is a singularly primitive-religious mindset.

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  132. As you know for decades Malay Malaysian politicians have tried to outflank each other by claiming to be more Islamic.

    Recently with prime minister Najib Razak that strategy become peculiarly toxic when he handed over the development of the nation’s Islamic infrastructure to the Islamic bureacracy who have grasped the opportunity to move towards sharia law and away from the secular constitution.

    On top of this Malay politicians have found themselves unable to discard the poisonous antidiluvian system of affirmative action in favour of Malays that makes ethnic Chinese and Indians effectively second class citizens.

    All this is happening at a time of rising Islamism in the Ummah. I know several smart non-Malay Malaysians who claim to have resigned themselves to being a permanent part of the diaspora.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-malaysia-islam-law-idUSKBN0ME0JJ20150318

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/02/24/rising-islamic-conservatism-malaysia.html

    http://ifonlysingaporeans.blogspot.com/2015/04/malaysia-faces-rising-islamic.html

  133. You know a society is going downhill when people are paid fortunes to lie: in universities, think tanks and the MSM alike.

  134. Not really, Muslim terrorists often target Jews and thus are fair game to occasionally back-pedal in terms of their non-white ‘un-privilege’ least somebody mention the oppression that motivates Palestinian terrorists.

    We’re already seeing this in the truly insane amount of ink spread on the supposed ‘anti-semitism’ of the BSD movement against Israel. It’s a bad strategy long term because it links Jews in general with Israel and frankly has become worn out so that nobody takes such a slur seriously anymore, it feels like the op-ep writers are shouting at the wind.

  135. [Whoosh] Right over your head. Tex. Jefferson was speaking metaphorically. He stated that other people’s religion does not impact him in any way, shape, or form.

    “Pres. Jefferson didn’t cover sexual assault, so not clear on whether one should factor that in.”

    Well, he did sire several offspring with his slaves. I’m not sure they were too happy about it at that point in time, but his mixed children did benefit from his status later on.

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  136. “None are so blind as those who will not see”

    None are so blind as those who DO NOT WANT TO see

    “Will” means “want to” in that sentence. It’s an archaic usage in English but the standard usage in modern German: “Ich will nicht sehen” means “I don’t want to see.”

  137. I have always maintained that the problems in our society are not primarily coming from Muslims, or black criminality, or Jewish control of our institutions, but result from the liberal mentality. Absent the liberal mentality, all of these problems could be solved reasonably and rapidly.

    But where does the liberal mentality come from? Have you considered the possibility that this “mentality” is nurtured by outside influences?

  138. Sure they won’t state the obvious, but let’s assume they had used the word “Muslim” somewhere in that article: there is merit in trying to reduce the odds of finding a terrorist from 1/1,000,000,000 to something more manageable.

    Muslim Engineers are a good place to start: many of Al-Qaeda’s bigwigs came from engineering backgrounds too.

  139. Whoosh] Right over your head. Tex. Jefferson was speaking metaphorically. He stated that other people’s religion does not impact him in any way, shape, or form.

    Not in the least. Jefferson wasn’t impacted by mohammedans, except for the ones hijacking American vessels on the high seas.

    In any case, we’re well past metaphor. Real life is impacting us, and if you’d been paying attention, you might note that mohammedan cultural norms are resulting in picked pockets and broken legs. Or maybe you are so committed to NYT-style Not Noticing, that you think that all those jihadi attacks, the scorching rape crisis in Sweden, the emerging rape crisis in Germany, and similar events are mysteriously unrelated.

    Talk about over one’s head.

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  140. “Why don’t we start thinking about how we can work on giving these young men hope for their future instead of ignoring their pain and emptiness”

    I have a better idea – send them back where they came from and then forget about them.

  141. “Not in the least. Jefferson wasn’t impacted by mohammedans, except for the ones hijacking American vessels on the high seas.”

    That’s the point. Jefferson couldn’t care less about a person’s faith. It didn’t individually impact him.

    So, how is Islam PERSONALLY affecting you?

    “Real life is impacting us, and if you’d been paying attention, you might note that mohammedan cultural norms are resulting in picked pockets and broken legs.”

    Among the radical elements, yes.

    “Or maybe you are so committed to NYT-style Not Noticing, that you think that all those jihadi attacks, the scorching rape crisis in Sweden, the emerging rape crisis in Germany, and similar events are mysteriously unrelated.”

    Certainly there is a relationship. The criminal element of an overall group of people need to be reigned in, not the group of people overall.

  142. You’re definitely onto something. Also, it’s easier not to acknowledge a problem if its most obvious solution is too appalling to contemplate. (All roads lead to Auschwitz.)

  143. So, how is Islam PERSONALLY affecting you?

    Y’know how it is, why complain about crime unless you’ve been robbed. Hell, I shouldn’t even lock my doors. I’m convinced, I’m going to sponsor that young man from Libya who wants to come to the US and study missile technology and the Koran. While I’m at it, I’ll show him my collection of satirical cartoons based on the Hadith, the one where Mohammed rides el-Borak while smuggling a bunch of explosives into Jerusalem is a hoot! What could possibly go wrong?

    Certainly there is a relationship. The criminal element of an overall group of people need to be reigned in, not the group of people overall.

    Admitting you’ve noticed a relationship is the first step. Note that most of Europe’s problems with mussulmen are not with radical jihadis, just the ongoing problems of sexual assault, street crime, and unemployment. It’s not jihadis that have spiked Sweden’s sexual assault stats to the sky, it’s ordinary mohammedans, including both immigrants and the offspring of immigrants. Stopping radicalization won’t do much to solve that issue, the jihadis are just the icing on the turd cake. Let me say again that MOHAMMEDAN CULTURAL NORMS are what brings crime and violence to Western countries.

    Yes, let’s rein in radicals. Lets not let any more immigrate to the US. Lets not let any potential radicals immigrate to the US. Keep ‘em all out, every last mohammedan. There’s nothing in the Constitution that says our immigration policy is required to serve the interests of anybody except American citizens.

    And if the left, or the neocons, or business interests or whoever, have decided that it’s in their interests to push mass immigration to alter the balance of of the citizenry, to demand in the name of diversity that enforcement of our immigration laws is racist (and I’ve heard that slogan about a thousand times), that Americans have to put the interests of foreigners from cultures that are hostile to our way of life above our own interests, then I don’t need to consult with Thomas Jefferson or anyone else to know that is against my interests, that’s it is a hostile takeover designed to make me a minority in my own country.

    No doubt you’ll say that no one is proposing unlimited immigration, etc. etc. I’ve heard all those excuses before and they are increasingly hollow. I’m not arguing this for your benefit. I’m pointing this out for any undecided lurkers. Either you admit that US immigration policy is to be formulated solely for the benefit of the American people, that Americans have the right to resist demographic warfare, to hold our government accountable for trying to colonize us against our wills, or you are the enemy.

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  144. Sociopathy, Islam, Marxism… all good correlations but it is important to keep note of several fundamentals:

    1. The adage that one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter always needs to be borne in mind. It is not so much a question of apologizing for terrorism as it is of recognizing that when it comes to guerrilla warfare, we are dealing with two diametrically opposing visions for how the world or society ought to be, and that these camps run very, very deep. Not all industrial workers were sociopaths during the October Revolution, but the tension made it possible for them to produce, shelter and re-approvision the Bolsheviks. No White fighter in his right mind would ever have sought shelter, aid or sympathy among them.

    2. Terrorism is a technique, not an enemy. The enemy makes use of terrorism.

    3. Apart from singling out and killing individual terrorists where possible, priority needs to be given to tactful but forceful pacification of the faction producing the terrorists or guerrilla fighters. Historical attempts by the established elite side to “win the hearts” of said faction have ended in abject failure, if such attempts have even been made. This was true of the British in Ireland; this was true of the Whites in Russia; this was true of the French in Algeria; this was true of the Americans in Iraq.

  145. Arguing with a crow is a waste of your time and ours.

  146. Scruton is, on the other hand, the only one so far who has dared write a novel about Rotherham. A fact which is somewhat disspiriting. Anyway, see “The Disappeared”.

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Disappeared-Roger-Scruton/dp/1448215218

  147. I know about Lolo. It was a joke. J-o-k-e.

    Google “Alison Wonderland” books.

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