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James Fulford of VDARE sends this article along from Archive.com from The Melbourne Age:

Open borders to all: Clinton
By GARRY BARKER
Tuesday 11 September 2001

Bill Clinton believes Australia should not shut its borders to immigrants and those genuinely seeking asylum but should open its arms to cultural diversity.

Free trade and an open-door policy would bring prosperity, the former US president told a meeting of 35 Australian business leaders in Melbourne yesterday.

“He discussed the immigration issue in Australia and he took a position on it,” said Tom Hogan, president of Vignette Corporation, host of the exclusive forum.

“The (former) president believes the world will be a better place if all borders are eliminated – from a trade perspective, from the viewpoint of economic development and in welcoming (the free movement of) people from other cultures and countries,” Mr Hogan said.

Mr Clinton showed an understanding of the political problems Australia faced, but said he supported the ultimate wisdom of a borderless world for people and for trade.

He spoke for 45 minutes on topics ranging from the urgent need to combat AIDS to global economic issues. He spent another 45 minutes answering questions.

Mr Clinton said he believed the US was a better place for having opened its borders to a diversity of peoples and cultures. …

Ten hours after Clinton said this, 19 diverse guys from a different culture killed 3,000 Americans.

 
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  1. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    Borderless world.

    I think he thinks with his dick.

    Wanderlust literally.

    • Replies: @ltlee
    The flow of political contribution is indeed borderless.
  2. One of the simplest arguments against immigration is that immigrants will tend to be biased against the natives.

    This is just normal ethnocentric bias that all people have.

    But even among anti-immigration activists you rarely see this being brought up. I don’t think we have a commonly used word for it, something like “nativephobia”.

    And by biased against the natives I don’t mean biased against the abstract principles of a nation, but against its people.

    Terrorists like the 9/11 attackers or the Tsarnaev brothers are extreme examples. But more moderate, microaggression type bias is very common among immigrants.

    It’s simple to say “We don’t want immigrants because we don’t want to live alongside people who are prejudiced against us and our heritage.”

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Will people buy that though?

    "Oh don't be silly. I have a Filipino friend who loves Americans."

    Obviously the phenomenon of which you speak is real but we need more undeniable examples than the Tsarnaevs.

    Plus the left will spin that bias as "justified anger against white supremacy" or whatever SJW babble is trendy to say this week.
  3. Ten hours after Clinton said this, 19 diverse guys from a different culture killed 3,000 Americans.

    That should be the final word on the results of ” a diversity of peoples and cultures.” Instead, you are treated like a crazed, racist fanatic if you dare voice the obvious. It’s pretty frustrating.

  4. @Drake
    One of the simplest arguments against immigration is that immigrants will tend to be biased against the natives.

    This is just normal ethnocentric bias that all people have.

    But even among anti-immigration activists you rarely see this being brought up. I don't think we have a commonly used word for it, something like "nativephobia".

    And by biased against the natives I don't mean biased against the abstract principles of a nation, but against its people.

    Terrorists like the 9/11 attackers or the Tsarnaev brothers are extreme examples. But more moderate, microaggression type bias is very common among immigrants.

    It's simple to say "We don't want immigrants because we don't want to live alongside people who are prejudiced against us and our heritage."

    Will people buy that though?

    “Oh don’t be silly. I have a Filipino friend who loves Americans.”

    Obviously the phenomenon of which you speak is real but we need more undeniable examples than the Tsarnaevs.

    Plus the left will spin that bias as “justified anger against white supremacy” or whatever SJW babble is trendy to say this week.

  5. More insanity from Germany: Cardinal Reinhard Marx, one of the most powerful men in Germany’s Catholic Church and in the Vatican, has been interviewed by Merkur:

    http://www.merkur.de/bayern/fluechtlingsversorgung-kardinal-reinhard-marx-lehnt-absenkung-standards-5518329.html (German)

    Madame Merkel, the daughter of a Protestant pastor, counts Marx as one of her counselors. In her recent interview with Deutschlandfunk radio, she explicitly quoted what Marx had said about the deluge of Muslim immigrants being a challenge that “the Lord placed on our table”.

    A few tidbits from Marx’ interview in my translation:

    “Many people say that Europe’s Christian identity must not be put in jeopardy. But it’s essential in Christian identity that we help someone who is in need regardless of creed and origin, and treat him with respect. If we don’t conform to this precept we put Europe’s identity in jeopardy.”

    “Everybody has the right to emigrate and to immigrate.”

    “It’s going to cost us a lot of money. German reunification was expensive, too. But there is more than just German unity! There [also] is European unity, the global unity of the family of humankind.”

    “I cannot see that the chancellor’s decision to allow the refugees from Hungary to enter Germany without formalities temporarily was wrong. [...] She even put herself above the law. That, too, is part of political leadership!”

    The interviewer asks: The Pope wants to give refuge to two families in the Vatican. When are you going to shelter refugees in the bishop’s palace?

    “I have been thinking about this for a while and would like to do it. But of course, the Vatican and its buildings are somewhat larger than Palais Holnstein, which today is primarily being used as a service facility with offices and conference rooms, therefore, there is a lot of traffic there.”

    Open borders! If you’re against, you’re not a good Christian.

    This past summer in Germany was unusually sunny and warm. A kind of pleasant languor had settled over the country that was still basking in the afterglow of the national soccer team winning the 2014 world championship. Of course, there was the usual bickering, the euro crisis, many people finding it difficult to make ends meet, bitter political rivalries. Few people would have said they were living in paradise.

    And yet, when Germans look back on the summer of 2015, I think they will say what the citizens of Beslan said after the mass murder in their school by Islamic terrorists:

    “We were happy and we didn’t know it.”

    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @5371
    Forget Groucho, I'd even take Karl over Reinhard.
    , @sb
    Sounds like this Marx bloke has some of those pesky Jewish genes breaking through in his armament
  6. Clinton was always a oligarchic puppet. He established his meat puppet credentials with NAFTA, WTO, PNTR with China, killing Glass-Stegall.

    Look follow the money trail. The people promoting this line of thinking are globalists/neoliberals/Davos men whatever you want to call them. They like the notion of a borderless world because it destroys the value of labor and hence you can pay pennies where you used to pay dollars in terms of wages. The whole world would become one giant sweat shop or FoxxCon.

    Politically it’s a boon as well. The masses will be at each other’s throats for scarce resources and no longer focusing on the elites that brought them this hell.

    If it weren’t so attractive you wouldn’t have the richest men, all major foundations, think tanks and most powerful corporations in the world promoting this stuff. This isn’t about some BS ideology popular with a bunch of Leftist dolts, it’s about, wealth, power and control. This is why the TPTB are so into it.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    In my view a lot of this is poorly thought out by Euro elites. If you are importing more competent elites who are more corrupt than you, you and your progeny will not compete well in future.

    On the other end of the scale, importing dumb low gdp/capita types is not going to do your economy wonders.
  7. Do you suppose that Slick Willie has always just said whatever he’s been paid to say?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Do you suppose that Slick Willie has always just said whatever he’s been paid to say?"

    Slick Willie is a pro-open borders Left Winger. He is not a closet Conservative if that is what you are implying.
  8. Ten hours after Clinton said this, 19 diverse guys from a different culture killed 3,000 Americans.

    Ten hours earlier, it was still September 10.

    • Replies: @Inquisitor
    Not in Australia
    , @Alan D
    At the time of the attack Melbourne time was 14 hours ahead of New York time, assuming that there was daylight saving time in New York but not in Melbourne. Therefore the attack occurred at about 10:45 pm on September 11 (Melbourne time). Ten hours before that, when Clinton gave his speech, it was about 12:45 pm on September 11 in Melbourne and about 10:45 pm on September 10 in New York.

    I live in Sydney, which is in the same time zone as Melbourne. I had gone to bed when the attack occurred and learned about it when I turned my radio on at about 7:00 am on September 12 (Sydney time). I will never forget hearing about the attack, just as I will never forget hearing about the Kennedy assassination early on a Saturday in November 1963 (Sydney time).
    , @Bill P
    Not in Australia
  9. Camp of Saints to the Chappaqua compound, and to that Italian villa George Clooney pretends to own as beard for Ol’Bill.

    • Replies: @Escher
    Exactly! Should be plenty of space on the grounds and inside the mansion to house a few gangs (refugees).
  10. @Priss Factor
    Borderless world.


    I think he thinks with his dick.

    Wanderlust literally.

    The flow of political contribution is indeed borderless.

  11. @Stubborn in Germany
    More insanity from Germany: Cardinal Reinhard Marx, one of the most powerful men in Germany's Catholic Church and in the Vatican, has been interviewed by Merkur:

    http://www.merkur.de/bayern/fluechtlingsversorgung-kardinal-reinhard-marx-lehnt-absenkung-standards-5518329.html (German)

    Madame Merkel, the daughter of a Protestant pastor, counts Marx as one of her counselors. In her recent interview with Deutschlandfunk radio, she explicitly quoted what Marx had said about the deluge of Muslim immigrants being a challenge that "the Lord placed on our table".

    A few tidbits from Marx' interview in my translation:

    "Many people say that Europe's Christian identity must not be put in jeopardy. But it's essential in Christian identity that we help someone who is in need regardless of creed and origin, and treat him with respect. If we don't conform to this precept we put Europe's identity in jeopardy."

    "Everybody has the right to emigrate and to immigrate."

    "It's going to cost us a lot of money. German reunification was expensive, too. But there is more than just German unity! There [also] is European unity, the global unity of the family of humankind."

    "I cannot see that the chancellor's decision to allow the refugees from Hungary to enter Germany without formalities temporarily was wrong. [...] She even put herself above the law. That, too, is part of political leadership!"

    The interviewer asks: The Pope wants to give refuge to two families in the Vatican. When are you going to shelter refugees in the bishop's palace?

    "I have been thinking about this for a while and would like to do it. But of course, the Vatican and its buildings are somewhat larger than Palais Holnstein, which today is primarily being used as a service facility with offices and conference rooms, therefore, there is a lot of traffic there."

    Open borders! If you're against, you're not a good Christian.

    This past summer in Germany was unusually sunny and warm. A kind of pleasant languor had settled over the country that was still basking in the afterglow of the national soccer team winning the 2014 world championship. Of course, there was the usual bickering, the euro crisis, many people finding it difficult to make ends meet, bitter political rivalries. Few people would have said they were living in paradise.

    And yet, when Germans look back on the summer of 2015, I think they will say what the citizens of Beslan said after the mass murder in their school by Islamic terrorists:

    "We were happy and we didn't know it."

    Forget Groucho, I’d even take Karl over Reinhard.

  12. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    For the elites, open borders means ‘we get to fuc* more people.’

    For the native masses, open borders means ‘we get fuc*ed by more people.’

    Naturally, the fuc*er class see things differently than the fuc*ed class does.

    The understanding between the fuc*er haves and the fuc*ed have-nots was that, while the former gain more material wealth than the latter, the latter at the very least have identity and collective ownership of their own nation; furthermore, the fuc*er class shall use the law and military to guarantee those basic things for the fuc*ed have-nots.

    But now, the fuc*er haves want more and more, and they don’t want to feel obligated to help out the native fuc*ed haves in any way. They want to fuc* the entire world, so more people the better.

    Sadly, so many people are so drugged out on pop culture and selfie-induced narcissism–everyone is made to feel like some hot global celebrity–that they don’t see what the elite fuc*ers are doing to them. They’ve been Jerry-Springerized, Oprah-ized, Gump-ized, and Sex-and-City-ized.
    As long as they get the fixes of hedonism, they feel good,and they don’t care about anything else.
    Look at today’s Christianity. In the past, the message was even sinners such as homos can repent and atone and seek salvation.
    Today, it is the church taht must repent and change its way and welcome ‘gay marriage’ because all the millennials addicted to dumb TV shows say so.

  13. @dearieme
    Do you suppose that Slick Willie has always just said whatever he's been paid to say?

    “Do you suppose that Slick Willie has always just said whatever he’s been paid to say?”

    Slick Willie is a pro-open borders Left Winger. He is not a closet Conservative if that is what you are implying.

  14. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    It isn’t much of an exaggeration to say this is how the Clintons(and Bushies) of the world see ‘diversity’:

    Just more cinder-block-fodder for the system they control.

  15. Ten hours after Clinton said this, 19 diverse guys from a different culture killed 3,000 Americans.

    What a twist!

  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Mr Clinton showed an understanding of the political problems Australia faced, but said he supported the ultimate wisdom of a borderless world for people and for trade. …

    “Mr Clinton said he believed the US was a better place for having opened its borders to a diversity of peoples and cultures. …”

    I don’t remember ever hearing any discussion of Clinton’s support for ” … a borderless world for people” in any of the Presidential debates in which Clinton participated or in any of his Presidential campaign ads. Assuming this is true, it probably would have been useful for the american people to know that Clinton held these beliefs.

    I wonder if Hillary shares her husband’s purported beliefs?

  17. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    Homo and diverse.

    This should be the new Amurikan anthem.

  18. A world government is not possible without a single set of cultural values. We are nowhere near having a single set of cultural values. To attempt the government without the culture is like putting a million scorpions and a million spiders in a very big bottle.

    “Hell is coming to breakfast”.

  19. You know, in one sense a borderless world really is the ultimate wisdom. It’s the last wisdom you will ever need or get to enjoy.

  20. Not as OT as you might think:

    Mexican politician suggests lethal injections for the homeless

    And she’s the head of the Vulnerable Groups Commission!

    Angela, are you listening?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Mexican politician suggests lethal injections for the homeless"

    File that in the "Family values don't stop at the border" folder, or perhaps in the "Euthanasia is an act of love" folder.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Dole out free heroin and you'll get the same result. Mexico has so much heroin they're sending it up to us.
  21. @Reg Cæsar

    Ten hours after Clinton said this, 19 diverse guys from a different culture killed 3,000 Americans.
     
    Ten hours earlier, it was still September 10.

    Not in Australia

  22. @Reg Cæsar

    Ten hours after Clinton said this, 19 diverse guys from a different culture killed 3,000 Americans.
     
    Ten hours earlier, it was still September 10.

    At the time of the attack Melbourne time was 14 hours ahead of New York time, assuming that there was daylight saving time in New York but not in Melbourne. Therefore the attack occurred at about 10:45 pm on September 11 (Melbourne time). Ten hours before that, when Clinton gave his speech, it was about 12:45 pm on September 11 in Melbourne and about 10:45 pm on September 10 in New York.

    I live in Sydney, which is in the same time zone as Melbourne. I had gone to bed when the attack occurred and learned about it when I turned my radio on at about 7:00 am on September 12 (Sydney time). I will never forget hearing about the attack, just as I will never forget hearing about the Kennedy assassination early on a Saturday in November 1963 (Sydney time).

    • Replies: @D. K.
    The article was dated 11 September 2001, in Australia itself. The second paragraph explicitly states that the talk had taken place the day before-- 10 September 2001, in Australia. The entire session lasted about an hour and a half, but this excerpt does not say whether it took place in the morning, afternoon or evening. It is unknown, therefore, how many hours before the attacks the talk actually took place; it might have been well over a day earlier, in fact.
  23. He was not caught here being visionary, or counter-visionary, or anything besides imitative. That stuff he said in Australia is of a piece with the boosterish Davos-to-Aspen singularity cant our social betters were spewing around the time of the mystical Y2K Zeitgeist. On substance it was half-baked at the time, as if picked it up from a smudged review of a Babelfish excerpt of Kenichi Ohmae; yes, “idea people” will latch onto stupid fads & freshly declare themselves experts, it was true then too.

    Briefly after 9/11 the comic-con libertoids quit blabbing: “Humanity has evolved out of nation stage, let’s don giant mech suits & have weekend bisexual rave-orgies in Antarctica” because from taking a quick look around, it was obviously out of step. Yet the non-cosplay-geek version of it, the four-quadrant “diversity is strength” spiel, not only weathered 9/11 but bulked up its artillery for a new round of greatly leaping forward. If anyone should alight upon the inkling that diversity vitiates national institutions, the elites strenuously reject it either because a) as typical schmoes they believe their own ideological horse manure, or b) actually you just spelled out their objective, or c) it can be both of course. Katrina was a pretty serviceable example for the continuation of the overarching post-2000 anti-judgment Nobody In Charge ethos; more bipartisanly the Obama administration racked up impressive bureaucratic SNFUs from Snowden to the strange Ukraine posture to the OPM’s Oops-I-accidentally-everyone’s-credit-report Act of 2015. On one hand national greatness is safely ensconced in irony, meanwhile there is an ongoing pursuit of defining national incompetence down, in view of all of which it’d just seem cheeky for globalists to openly sniff, “Outdated racist concept anyway; firmware update coming soon,” about your untrendy belief in borders, separation of powers, what have you. Hence we get that snooty lecture in smaller doses from the online equivalent of crazed clocktower snipers, the dorkier econ professor blogs.

  24. @Reg Cæsar

    Ten hours after Clinton said this, 19 diverse guys from a different culture killed 3,000 Americans.
     
    Ten hours earlier, it was still September 10.

    Not in Australia

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Steve said 3,000 Americans.

    When one reprobate post-American mouthed off in Oz, it was indeed Sept 10 in Lower Manhattan and Arlington.
  25. I’m running out of space. I have three regular vehicles and three antique vehicles. I think I’ll park my rusty old Chevy truck on Bill Clinton’s property or in one of his parking places, and see what he thinks about borders and boundaries then.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I think I’ll park my rusty old Chevy truck on Bill Clinton’s property…
     
    You'll come back to find it Astroturfed.
  26. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:
    • Replies: @bomag
    ...convinced her that if the truth got out it could damage their utopian dream of a world without borders.

    The truth is out there, and it doesn't matter much.

    We've got a certain kind of group denial in place.

    The German commanders at Stalingrad received multiple reports that the Soviets were massing for a surrounding attack. The commanders would receive the reports and do nothing. That is pretty much us today.
  27. @Bill P
    Not in Australia

    Steve said 3,000 Americans.

    When one reprobate post-American mouthed off in Oz, it was indeed Sept 10 in Lower Manhattan and Arlington.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    Which was inaccurate:

    ***

    The attacks resulted in the deaths of 2,996 people, including the 19 hijackers.[107] The 2,977 victims included 246 on the four planes (from which there were no survivors), 2,606 in the World Trade Center and in the surrounding area, and 125 at the Pentagon.[108][109] Nearly all of those who perished were civilians with the exceptions of 72 law enforcement officers, 343 firefighters, and 55 military personnel who died in the attacks.[110][111] After New York, New Jersey lost the most state citizens, with the city of Hoboken having the most citizens that died in the attacks.[112] More than 90 countries lost citizens in the September 11 attacks.[113] The attacks of September 11, 2001, marked it the worst terrorist attack in world history and the deadliest foreign attack on American soil since the Japanese surprise attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.[3]

    [from Wikipedia.org]

    ***

    Several hundred of the nearly 3000 victims on 9/11 were foreign nationals, not Americans.
  28. Bill Clinton came from a family that wasn’t rich and wasn’t political.

    Whether you agree with him or not, there’s no denying that he’s book smart, very knowledgeable about policy and has lots of street smarts too.

    So this is an example of someone who should have been pretty resistant to drinking the Koolaid of open borders, but was not.

    That is what I find very frightening and disturbing. I wonder if he still thinks the same way. He probably does, even after the Great Recession. It seems that when First World people have passed over to the Open Borders side, they are committed to ignoring common sense and have lost their loyalty to their own people and nation.

    • Replies: @Beach

    Bill Clinton came from a family that wasn’t rich and wasn’t political.

     

    ...

    It seems that when First World people have passed over to the Open Borders side, they are committed to ignoring common sense and have lost their loyalty to their own people and nation.

     

    In Clinton's case, he was a chubby kid with an alcoholic, abusive step-father, who used his brains and his drive to get as far away from his "own people," as fast as he could go. He clearly relished the attention (especially from women), and the money that political success brought. He loves being loaded, loves celebrity status. His people are now the 1%, and their wishes and goals are what he cares about. When do you think was the last time he even thought about anyone in Hot Springs, Arkansas? They are losers in his loser past, and along with the rest of us 99%, what happens as a result of endless immigration is not his concern.
  29. @Reg Cæsar
    Not as OT as you might think:

    Mexican politician suggests lethal injections for the homeless

    And she's the head of the Vulnerable Groups Commission!

    Angela, are you listening?

    “Mexican politician suggests lethal injections for the homeless”

    File that in the “Family values don’t stop at the border” folder, or perhaps in the “Euthanasia is an act of love” folder.

  30. Happy German-American Day btw — unless you’re in Australia of course.

  31. The National Review: A Ballad

  32. Merkel accidentally set it off when a jocular morning tweet in honor of Von Steuben Day (“Bring me more muesli”) was poorly transliterated by certain Internet providers in the near Orient… yes, Unicode has screwed us over once again

  33. Are people so stupid that they’d believe anything Bill “I didn’t have sex with that woman” Clinton says about anything?

    Seriously, what does a liberal democrat have to do in order to be written off? Kennedy could leave a woman to drown in an auto accident, Clinton could lie under oath, be impeached, sexually harass women, pardon Marc Rich.

    Billy Bob Clinton been pretty clear about where he’s coming from for 25 years. He wants money, power, and lots of Lewinsky’s – and he’ll say whatever will get him that. He doesn’t care about the USA, and never has. He sure doesn’t give a damn about Australia. Open borders? Sure, as long as the millionaires/billionaires keep the money rolling in to the Clinton Foundation.

    • Replies: @rod1963
    The MSM has done everything to minimize inquires into Billy Boy's life - his sexual activities alone would have landed any other man in prison as a serial rapist. That doesn't happen unless the half dozen people who own the media decided to make it happen.

    He didn't go to prison because he's a kept man by the oligarchy. Ron Unz has pointed out several times the establishment likes people who can be bought and especially those they can extort to control them. Clinton is a classic example.

    The same with Hillary, she's evil incarnate and a dangerous bungler to boot. But the establishment owns her. She does their bidding. Though I think they'd prefer Biden now after seeing how unpredictable Hillary is.

    As for the American people, most are contemptible dolts. They supported a man who wrecked our economy with NAFTA, WTO, PNTR with China, killing Glass-Stegall and sent it on it's death spiral. They should have run this smirking sociopath out on a rail. Bush and Oblowhard were just keeping it on course by protecting the looter class by socializing the risks on Wall Street via TARP and QEx.
    , @dearieme
    "Kennedy could leave a woman to drown in an auto accident": that's the Kennedy version of what happened. They moved heaven and earth to make sure we never learned what actually happened. A bit like O hiding a good deal about his early life.
  34. @Reg Cæsar
    Steve said 3,000 Americans.

    When one reprobate post-American mouthed off in Oz, it was indeed Sept 10 in Lower Manhattan and Arlington.

    Which was inaccurate:

    ***

    The attacks resulted in the deaths of 2,996 people, including the 19 hijackers.[107] The 2,977 victims included 246 on the four planes (from which there were no survivors), 2,606 in the World Trade Center and in the surrounding area, and 125 at the Pentagon.[108][109] Nearly all of those who perished were civilians with the exceptions of 72 law enforcement officers, 343 firefighters, and 55 military personnel who died in the attacks.[110][111] After New York, New Jersey lost the most state citizens, with the city of Hoboken having the most citizens that died in the attacks.[112] More than 90 countries lost citizens in the September 11 attacks.[113] The attacks of September 11, 2001, marked it the worst terrorist attack in world history and the deadliest foreign attack on American soil since the Japanese surprise attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.[3]

    [from Wikipedia.org]

    ***

    Several hundred of the nearly 3000 victims on 9/11 were foreign nationals, not Americans.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Steve forgot to insert his customary "roughly".

    After New York, New Jersey lost the most state citizens…
     
    The World Trade Center was owned by the Port Authority, so it was as much New Jersey's property as it was New York's.
  35. Well, I look forward to Madame Clinton and her BFF Angela Merkel going to Jerusalem and saying,”Mr. Netanyahu tear down this wall! We live in a borderless world now!” I’m sure we’ll see it soon after a fork is used like a spoon for soup, a black kid reads a thousand books in one school year, and dogs and cats put that bitter past history behind them. So go ahead all you sheep, lay down with that Lion. Bill Clinton the Lion King has spoken!

  36. @Alan D
    At the time of the attack Melbourne time was 14 hours ahead of New York time, assuming that there was daylight saving time in New York but not in Melbourne. Therefore the attack occurred at about 10:45 pm on September 11 (Melbourne time). Ten hours before that, when Clinton gave his speech, it was about 12:45 pm on September 11 in Melbourne and about 10:45 pm on September 10 in New York.

    I live in Sydney, which is in the same time zone as Melbourne. I had gone to bed when the attack occurred and learned about it when I turned my radio on at about 7:00 am on September 12 (Sydney time). I will never forget hearing about the attack, just as I will never forget hearing about the Kennedy assassination early on a Saturday in November 1963 (Sydney time).

    The article was dated 11 September 2001, in Australia itself. The second paragraph explicitly states that the talk had taken place the day before– 10 September 2001, in Australia. The entire session lasted about an hour and a half, but this excerpt does not say whether it took place in the morning, afternoon or evening. It is unknown, therefore, how many hours before the attacks the talk actually took place; it might have been well over a day earlier, in fact.

    • Replies: @Alan D
    I have just read the article on line, and I have found that you are right.
  37. @Reg Cæsar
    Not as OT as you might think:

    Mexican politician suggests lethal injections for the homeless

    And she's the head of the Vulnerable Groups Commission!

    Angela, are you listening?

    Dole out free heroin and you’ll get the same result. Mexico has so much heroin they’re sending it up to us.

  38. Clinton lives in Chappaqua New York. Virtually all white and the only Hispanics are the millionaire polo playing Argentinian surgeons. 1962 suburban America for Bill Clinton and the third world slums for you.

  39. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    http://conservative-headlines.com/2015/10/gop-plans-to-save-detroit/

    ROTFL

    Ridiculous as this sounds, this is one plan that might do some good.

    ‘Syrians’ in Germany makes Germany worse cuz Germans are better than the swarthy folks.

    But ‘Syrians’ in Detroit makes Detroit better cuz swarthy folks are better than negro folks.

    No gain for Germany to take refugees.

    But some gain for Detroit to have Arabs than Afros.

    In a way, this plan gives the game away on immigration. Not all but much of immigration has been justified on the basis of new comers are better than Negroes.

    This guy put it so blatantly. Blacks messed up Detroit. Whites are cautious about developing the city. But if you unload a whole bunch of swarthy folks, surely they will be better than negroes and could serve as buffer between whites and blacks.

    But is it a decent thing to do to take a people who just fled from war zone and drop them in another war zone?

  40. @D. K.
    The article was dated 11 September 2001, in Australia itself. The second paragraph explicitly states that the talk had taken place the day before-- 10 September 2001, in Australia. The entire session lasted about an hour and a half, but this excerpt does not say whether it took place in the morning, afternoon or evening. It is unknown, therefore, how many hours before the attacks the talk actually took place; it might have been well over a day earlier, in fact.

    I have just read the article on line, and I have found that you are right.

  41. Lawrence Auster reported that while president, Clinton told a group of officials from the NAACP that he looked forward to the day that whites would be a minority in this country. I never found a source for that, though.

  42. Steve,

    @FOXNews: Harvard’s prestigious debate team loses to NY inmates http://fxn.ws/1Z8PTr4

    The stance the inmates were tasked with defending: “that public schools should be allowed to turn away students whose parents came to the U.S. illegally. ”

    SonOfStrom

    • Replies: @SFG
    I wonder if it was like the recent 'debate' win where the (mostly black) team just ranted and nobody wanted to say anything for fear of being called racist? Anyone know?
  43. @Priss Factor
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/06/no-borders-activist-gang-raped-migrants-pressured-silence-not-damage-cause/

    Rotherdammerung.

    It's how the media work too.

    'Youths' did it.

    …convinced her that if the truth got out it could damage their utopian dream of a world without borders.

    The truth is out there, and it doesn’t matter much.

    We’ve got a certain kind of group denial in place.

    The German commanders at Stalingrad received multiple reports that the Soviets were massing for a surrounding attack. The commanders would receive the reports and do nothing. That is pretty much us today.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    Barbara Tuchman, The March of Folly.

    A terrific book on governments that wilfully ignore wise and patriotic critics: the Medieval popes, the British in America and Vietnam.
  44. @rod1963
    Clinton was always a oligarchic puppet. He established his meat puppet credentials with NAFTA, WTO, PNTR with China, killing Glass-Stegall.

    Look follow the money trail. The people promoting this line of thinking are globalists/neoliberals/Davos men whatever you want to call them. They like the notion of a borderless world because it destroys the value of labor and hence you can pay pennies where you used to pay dollars in terms of wages. The whole world would become one giant sweat shop or FoxxCon.

    Politically it's a boon as well. The masses will be at each other's throats for scarce resources and no longer focusing on the elites that brought them this hell.

    If it weren't so attractive you wouldn't have the richest men, all major foundations, think tanks and most powerful corporations in the world promoting this stuff. This isn't about some BS ideology popular with a bunch of Leftist dolts, it's about, wealth, power and control. This is why the TPTB are so into it.

    In my view a lot of this is poorly thought out by Euro elites. If you are importing more competent elites who are more corrupt than you, you and your progeny will not compete well in future.

    On the other end of the scale, importing dumb low gdp/capita types is not going to do your economy wonders.

  45. One wonders if Bill Clinton is equally in favor of wall-less offices or door-less houses? However I’m pretty sure he is all in favor of crotchless panties.

  46. “Free trade and an open-door policy would bring prosperity…”

    But for who?

  47. @Stubborn in Germany
    More insanity from Germany: Cardinal Reinhard Marx, one of the most powerful men in Germany's Catholic Church and in the Vatican, has been interviewed by Merkur:

    http://www.merkur.de/bayern/fluechtlingsversorgung-kardinal-reinhard-marx-lehnt-absenkung-standards-5518329.html (German)

    Madame Merkel, the daughter of a Protestant pastor, counts Marx as one of her counselors. In her recent interview with Deutschlandfunk radio, she explicitly quoted what Marx had said about the deluge of Muslim immigrants being a challenge that "the Lord placed on our table".

    A few tidbits from Marx' interview in my translation:

    "Many people say that Europe's Christian identity must not be put in jeopardy. But it's essential in Christian identity that we help someone who is in need regardless of creed and origin, and treat him with respect. If we don't conform to this precept we put Europe's identity in jeopardy."

    "Everybody has the right to emigrate and to immigrate."

    "It's going to cost us a lot of money. German reunification was expensive, too. But there is more than just German unity! There [also] is European unity, the global unity of the family of humankind."

    "I cannot see that the chancellor's decision to allow the refugees from Hungary to enter Germany without formalities temporarily was wrong. [...] She even put herself above the law. That, too, is part of political leadership!"

    The interviewer asks: The Pope wants to give refuge to two families in the Vatican. When are you going to shelter refugees in the bishop's palace?

    "I have been thinking about this for a while and would like to do it. But of course, the Vatican and its buildings are somewhat larger than Palais Holnstein, which today is primarily being used as a service facility with offices and conference rooms, therefore, there is a lot of traffic there."

    Open borders! If you're against, you're not a good Christian.

    This past summer in Germany was unusually sunny and warm. A kind of pleasant languor had settled over the country that was still basking in the afterglow of the national soccer team winning the 2014 world championship. Of course, there was the usual bickering, the euro crisis, many people finding it difficult to make ends meet, bitter political rivalries. Few people would have said they were living in paradise.

    And yet, when Germans look back on the summer of 2015, I think they will say what the citizens of Beslan said after the mass murder in their school by Islamic terrorists:

    "We were happy and we didn't know it."

    Sounds like this Marx bloke has some of those pesky Jewish genes breaking through in his armament

  48. @D. K.
    Which was inaccurate:

    ***

    The attacks resulted in the deaths of 2,996 people, including the 19 hijackers.[107] The 2,977 victims included 246 on the four planes (from which there were no survivors), 2,606 in the World Trade Center and in the surrounding area, and 125 at the Pentagon.[108][109] Nearly all of those who perished were civilians with the exceptions of 72 law enforcement officers, 343 firefighters, and 55 military personnel who died in the attacks.[110][111] After New York, New Jersey lost the most state citizens, with the city of Hoboken having the most citizens that died in the attacks.[112] More than 90 countries lost citizens in the September 11 attacks.[113] The attacks of September 11, 2001, marked it the worst terrorist attack in world history and the deadliest foreign attack on American soil since the Japanese surprise attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.[3]

    [from Wikipedia.org]

    ***

    Several hundred of the nearly 3000 victims on 9/11 were foreign nationals, not Americans.

    Steve forgot to insert his customary “roughly”.

    After New York, New Jersey lost the most state citizens…

    The World Trade Center was owned by the Port Authority, so it was as much New Jersey’s property as it was New York’s.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    Well, 2977 victims are "roughly 3,000," I would agree; but, 2669 American victims are not, to my mind, "roughly 3,000 Americans." That is more rounding than I am comfortable with-- especially when the hundreds of foreign nationals (some dual citizens) go otherwise unmentioned.
  49. @J1234
    I'm running out of space. I have three regular vehicles and three antique vehicles. I think I'll park my rusty old Chevy truck on Bill Clinton's property or in one of his parking places, and see what he thinks about borders and boundaries then.

    I think I’ll park my rusty old Chevy truck on Bill Clinton’s property…

    You’ll come back to find it Astroturfed.

  50. @Honesthughgrant
    Are people so stupid that they'd believe anything Bill "I didn't have sex with that woman" Clinton says about anything?

    Seriously, what does a liberal democrat have to do in order to be written off? Kennedy could leave a woman to drown in an auto accident, Clinton could lie under oath, be impeached, sexually harass women, pardon Marc Rich.

    Billy Bob Clinton been pretty clear about where he's coming from for 25 years. He wants money, power, and lots of Lewinsky's - and he'll say whatever will get him that. He doesn't care about the USA, and never has. He sure doesn't give a damn about Australia. Open borders? Sure, as long as the millionaires/billionaires keep the money rolling in to the Clinton Foundation.

    The MSM has done everything to minimize inquires into Billy Boy’s life – his sexual activities alone would have landed any other man in prison as a serial rapist. That doesn’t happen unless the half dozen people who own the media decided to make it happen.

    He didn’t go to prison because he’s a kept man by the oligarchy. Ron Unz has pointed out several times the establishment likes people who can be bought and especially those they can extort to control them. Clinton is a classic example.

    The same with Hillary, she’s evil incarnate and a dangerous bungler to boot. But the establishment owns her. She does their bidding. Though I think they’d prefer Biden now after seeing how unpredictable Hillary is.

    As for the American people, most are contemptible dolts. They supported a man who wrecked our economy with NAFTA, WTO, PNTR with China, killing Glass-Stegall and sent it on it’s death spiral. They should have run this smirking sociopath out on a rail. Bush and Oblowhard were just keeping it on course by protecting the looter class by socializing the risks on Wall Street via TARP and QEx.

  51. @Reg Cæsar
    Steve forgot to insert his customary "roughly".

    After New York, New Jersey lost the most state citizens…
     
    The World Trade Center was owned by the Port Authority, so it was as much New Jersey's property as it was New York's.

    Well, 2977 victims are “roughly 3,000,” I would agree; but, 2669 American victims are not, to my mind, “roughly 3,000 Americans.” That is more rounding than I am comfortable with– especially when the hundreds of foreign nationals (some dual citizens) go otherwise unmentioned.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    That's an increase of 12.4% I think within bounds of roughly.
  52. @D. K.
    Well, 2977 victims are "roughly 3,000," I would agree; but, 2669 American victims are not, to my mind, "roughly 3,000 Americans." That is more rounding than I am comfortable with-- especially when the hundreds of foreign nationals (some dual citizens) go otherwise unmentioned.

    That’s an increase of 12.4% I think within bounds of roughly.

  53. @SonOfStrom
    Steve,

    @FOXNews: Harvard's prestigious debate team loses to NY inmates http://fxn.ws/1Z8PTr4

    The stance the inmates were tasked with defending: "that public schools should be allowed to turn away students whose parents came to the U.S. illegally. "

    SonOfStrom

    I wonder if it was like the recent ‘debate’ win where the (mostly black) team just ranted and nobody wanted to say anything for fear of being called racist? Anyone know?

    • Replies: @SonOfStrom
    A few minutes of Googling and I have been unable to find anything other than stills and commentary, no video of it, if that tells you anything. Then again, I assume this took place in the prison, so it could have limited their access to multimedia.

    I think the deliciousness of a group of penitentiary dwellers defeating Harvard undergrads by defending the patriot position remains though.
  54. @Honesthughgrant
    Are people so stupid that they'd believe anything Bill "I didn't have sex with that woman" Clinton says about anything?

    Seriously, what does a liberal democrat have to do in order to be written off? Kennedy could leave a woman to drown in an auto accident, Clinton could lie under oath, be impeached, sexually harass women, pardon Marc Rich.

    Billy Bob Clinton been pretty clear about where he's coming from for 25 years. He wants money, power, and lots of Lewinsky's - and he'll say whatever will get him that. He doesn't care about the USA, and never has. He sure doesn't give a damn about Australia. Open borders? Sure, as long as the millionaires/billionaires keep the money rolling in to the Clinton Foundation.

    “Kennedy could leave a woman to drown in an auto accident”: that’s the Kennedy version of what happened. They moved heaven and earth to make sure we never learned what actually happened. A bit like O hiding a good deal about his early life.

  55. @Bugg
    Camp of Saints to the Chappaqua compound, and to that Italian villa George Clooney pretends to own as beard for Ol'Bill.

    Exactly! Should be plenty of space on the grounds and inside the mansion to house a few gangs (refugees).

  56. @SFG
    I wonder if it was like the recent 'debate' win where the (mostly black) team just ranted and nobody wanted to say anything for fear of being called racist? Anyone know?

    A few minutes of Googling and I have been unable to find anything other than stills and commentary, no video of it, if that tells you anything. Then again, I assume this took place in the prison, so it could have limited their access to multimedia.

    I think the deliciousness of a group of penitentiary dwellers defeating Harvard undergrads by defending the patriot position remains though.

  57. Mr. Sailer :

    I am surprised that you of all people would not recognize that the 19 hijackers theory has a LOT of holes in it.

    Not least of which is from a professional airline pilot’s POV :

    - a Boeing 767 simply cannot fly at over 500 knots while at sea level ;

    - moreover : to assume that three arabs with limited to zero piloting skills could accomplish those super high-speed aerial manouvres with such pinpoint accuracy is just plain naive.

    Those are just two of a list that goes on into the hundreds of pages. It’s overwhelming how much evidence is out their to disprove the official version of 9/11, the one that serves as the foundation of the colossal 911 Report, which btw and Hilariously, made not ONE mention of Building 7.

  58. @bomag
    ...convinced her that if the truth got out it could damage their utopian dream of a world without borders.

    The truth is out there, and it doesn't matter much.

    We've got a certain kind of group denial in place.

    The German commanders at Stalingrad received multiple reports that the Soviets were massing for a surrounding attack. The commanders would receive the reports and do nothing. That is pretty much us today.

    Barbara Tuchman, The March of Folly.

    A terrific book on governments that wilfully ignore wise and patriotic critics: the Medieval popes, the British in America and Vietnam.

  59. @notsaying
    Bill Clinton came from a family that wasn't rich and wasn't political.

    Whether you agree with him or not, there's no denying that he's book smart, very knowledgeable about policy and has lots of street smarts too.

    So this is an example of someone who should have been pretty resistant to drinking the Koolaid of open borders, but was not.

    That is what I find very frightening and disturbing. I wonder if he still thinks the same way. He probably does, even after the Great Recession. It seems that when First World people have passed over to the Open Borders side, they are committed to ignoring common sense and have lost their loyalty to their own people and nation.

    Bill Clinton came from a family that wasn’t rich and wasn’t political.

    It seems that when First World people have passed over to the Open Borders side, they are committed to ignoring common sense and have lost their loyalty to their own people and nation.

    In Clinton’s case, he was a chubby kid with an alcoholic, abusive step-father, who used his brains and his drive to get as far away from his “own people,” as fast as he could go. He clearly relished the attention (especially from women), and the money that political success brought. He loves being loaded, loves celebrity status. His people are now the 1%, and their wishes and goals are what he cares about. When do you think was the last time he even thought about anyone in Hot Springs, Arkansas? They are losers in his loser past, and along with the rest of us 99%, what happens as a result of endless immigration is not his concern.

  60. Steve, that last line is interesting, I don’t picture you as somebody who would believe that burning jet fuel can melt steel.

  61. […] Bill Clinton extolled the “ultimate wisdom of a borderless world” in a speech in Melbourne on September 10, […]

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