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From CBS News Thursday afternoon:

The cause of the blaze remains unclear, but officials do not suspect terrorism or arson. …

A French judicial police official told the Associated Press investigators think an electrical short-circuit most likely caused the fire. The official, who spoke anonymously about the ongoing investigation, said investigators still don’t have the green light to work in the cathedral and search in the rubble for safety reasons.

Dozens investigating cause of massive Notre Dame fire

About 50 investigators are involved with the probe, and some 40 people, including those involved in the cathedral’s restoration work before the fire, had been questioned by Thursday, according the Paris prosecutor’s office.

So at this point, it sounds like we have nothing yet. No terrorist group has claimed credit and no inspectors have gotten to the site. All that has happened is that some people who had been inside the church have been interviewed and, so far as we know, none took the blame.

Man arrested at U.S. cathedral with gas cans, lighters

In the U.S., a New Jersey man was charged with attempted arson Thursday after trying to enter the historic St. Patrick’s Cathedral in New York carrying gas cans and lighters. Police said Marc Lamparello, 37, parked his minivan outside the historic cathedral just before 8 p.m. Wednesday, CBS News correspondent Mola Lenghi reports.

My impression from the 1990s is that Church Arson is a thing.

Back then, the Clinton Administration and the MSM freaked out and promoted a conspiracy theory that the dozens of black churches in the rural South that go up in flames each year were the work of some vast racist plot.

But, when cooler heads looked into it, it turned out that there are something like 500 church fires per year in the U.S. Why?

First, there are a lot of churches.

Second, many are old and not build to modern anti-fire standards.

Third, there is more church arson than you’d think. Some is Baptist Lightning with ministers wanting that big $50k fire insurance payout.

And there are firebugs, for whom churches make easy targets in that they are empty much of the week. Plus more than a few arsonists have unsurprisingly fraught relationships with God, religion, churches, etc.

This is one reason why I don’t think it’s a good idea for the New York Times to push arsonist imagery, such as its recent oped subtitled:

I want to burn the frat house of America to the ground.

There are a number of people out there who like starting fires, so let’s not encourage them with our political ranting. For example, who knows how many of the recent brushfires in So Cal were started by arsonists? I do know that the biggest recent structural fire in L.A., of a huge apartment complex under construction downtown, was set by a Black Lives Matter terrorist.

 
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  1. Fire investigations are often complex, but French fire investigators will be under enormous political pressure to find an accidental cause of the Notre Dame fire. Even if accidental, will the fire investigators conduct a “root cause” analysis and look into such matters as the qualifications of the construction personnel on the site, or the experience and reputation of the contractors hired to carry out the restoration? I suspect not, but I hope that I am pleasantly surprised.

    • Agree: Jus' Sayin'...
    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    If one digs down into the news reports on Notre Dame, one discovers that quite a few lesser known French cathedrals and churches, but ones with comparable religious, historic and architectural significance, have gone up in flames in the past decade or so. One might reasonably suspect there is a pattern and its related to certain foreign elements invading the French homeland. But the multicultural French establishment successfully quashed publicity and investigation of these earlier outrages. The difference now is that Notre Dame is too famous and well known for its incineration to be successfully ignored. Macron and his Euro buddies will have to mount a major disinformation campaign to make this go away.
  2. Anonymous[236] • Disclaimer says:

    Those Norwegian Black Metal guys were into church burnings.

  3. 875 French churches were vandalised last year, more than a few torched. 80% of those were Christian.

    Sure, it was an accident.

  4. steve, this is the ultimate “It’s the current year” story:

    New York Yankees stop using Kate Smith’s recording of God Bless America because she also sang a song in 1939 called That’s Why Darkies Were Born.

    wow. going back 80 years to dig up the ‘secret’ dirt on some long dead singer, when the Yankees, MLB, or pretty much anybody, could have realized their ‘error’ at any point in the last 50 years of allowing such an irredeemable person to have their music played in a public space. suddenly it’s a problem now, because some SJW brought it to their attention.

    LOL. i don’t care who you are, or where on the spectrum you exist in the culture wars. that’s really, pretty hilarious for how insanely nutty things have gotten.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    What's nutty about it? Globohomocorp erases your past and your culture so they can erase you as a people/nation. Those well enough behaved during that process emerge as global citizens.
    , @Alden
    Who investigated the entirety of Kate Smith’s work? Probably ADL or AJC. They’re the only organizations with the money and investigators.
    , @unpc downunder
    The term "culture war" is a bit dated. There was a culture war between traditionalists and liberals, and the liberals won. What we have now is insecure moderate liberals giving in to the demands of the authoritarian far left.

    The problem lies with high profile rich white men. They have the power to shut down this silliness, but usually prefer to appease the cultural far left rather than confront them. Perhaps they fear the far left will drop identity politics and revert back to economic leftism if they are attacked by the rich. However, there are signs their patience is wearing thin. For example, Trump, Thiel and to a certain extent Musk have attacked the liberal media for indulging in "fake news" provided by flaky sources. Similarly, the emergence of explicitly socialist candidates in the Democrat Party is going to be giving the rich second thoughts about donating to them and their media supporters.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    prime, Paula Deen, was banished for admitting, under oath, that she had uttered the dreaded "N" word, years ago in a conversation with her husband. She told him, that during a bank robbery by a black man, "The nigger put a gun to my head." Dig up Kate and dump her body in a landfill. Lots of us here will join her.
  5. No terrorist group has claimed credit

    Whether it was an accident, or something else, I figured some group like ISIS would take credit for it. I am really surprised no one has tried to take credit . Whenever something big like this happens, a terror group somewhere takes credit. If I recall correctly, I think when the Shuttle Columbia disintegrated in 2003, some terror group took credit for it.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
    I remember an early news report on September eleven saying that the Japanese Red Army Faction had claimed responsibility for the attacks.

    'That helps explain the mission's success,' I thought. 'Who, these days, would be on the lookout for Japanese terrorists?'

    Then Ehud Barak came on the telly to tell us that he and his pals 'knew' it was al Qaeda, and that was that, apparently.

  6. Anon[540] • Disclaimer says:

    It should be possible to sue Black Lives Matter in civil court for what one of their employees did, especially since what he did is in line with their philosophy. I’m sure they have a lot of Soros cash tucked away in their bank account. If they don’t sue, they’re stupid.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Perhaps the SPLC could take the case. They have experience suing a hate group out of existence for less cause than this. If they went after Deep-Pockets Soros they could strike gold.
  7. @Anon
    It should be possible to sue Black Lives Matter in civil court for what one of their employees did, especially since what he did is in line with their philosophy. I'm sure they have a lot of Soros cash tucked away in their bank account. If they don't sue, they're stupid.

    Perhaps the SPLC could take the case. They have experience suing a hate group out of existence for less cause than this. If they went after Deep-Pockets Soros they could strike gold.

  8. Maybe you should retain the services of an attorney .

  9. I can imagine that it was an accident, abdullah forgot to turnoff the flood lights and Mohamed used a 15 amp extension cord instead of a 20 Amp for the big lights. Shit happens.

    I imagine the construction crew is african and muslim so accidental could very well muslimdental.

    • Replies: @Dtbb
    How about a battery charger left charging overnight? Just a guess.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard

    I imagine the construction crew is african and muslim so accidental could very well muslimdental
     
    Can't be...all the package tour taqiyya artists that post here have repeatedly assured me that they are just like us and that they value and respect Christianity!
  10. This is an interview with the ‘architect’ for Notre Dame up to 2013. He refuses to speculate, but says it could not have been an electrical fault, and that the fire was started where was no work was being done. Also, that 800 year-old wood is hard, and hard to set alight.

    Turn on CC, the subtitles are in English.

    Here are two shots of what may be someone setting the fire. Pardon me if these are already well-known:
    https://i.4cdn.org/pol/ 1555611788401 .webm — remove spaces and paste the urls in a new window.
    https://i.4cdn.org/pol/ 1555611800448 .webm — this one is clearer. Some speculate that it could be a lucky reflection of the sun.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    At least the church was not in a decrepit state before the blaze, having had its electric circuitry reviewed, alarms systems and fire detectors installed and being under 24x7 surveillance.

    Also:

    > Rumors of two starting point for the fire not confirmed.
    > However the fire started from a point where there was no work going on.
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    That is a fascinating interview. Thanks for posting it.
    When asked "What hypothesis do you have?", Benjamin Mouton replied "I don't see one that I can tell . . . (long pause) . . . that it was FAST."

    Moderator: "Mr. Mouton, what you describe leads to the assumption that . . . someone may have caused the conditions of the fire?"

    Mouton: "I will refrain from making any assumption . . . in the current situation I don't think we can . . ."

    Moderator: "For now, this hypothesis is ABSOLUTELY not the preferred one"

    The moderator is right. Any hypothesis about the origin of the fire other than "accident" will be met by powerful resistance, both from the French government and the world's media.

    The speed on Monday night and Tuesday morning with which the world's media propagated the French prosecutor's office statement that they had no evidence of arson (a modest and factually true claim - they had no evidence at all about anything at that moment!) should be alarming to any perceptive reader.

    Stay tuned.
    There may well be much, much more to the story of this fire.
    , @Hidden Cat
    The second link has come down. Not sure how it all operates, but goes to a 4chan page "404" that seems to indicate "politically incorrect".
  11. @prime noticer
    steve, this is the ultimate "It's the current year" story:

    New York Yankees stop using Kate Smith's recording of God Bless America because she also sang a song in 1939 called That's Why Darkies Were Born.

    wow. going back 80 years to dig up the 'secret' dirt on some long dead singer, when the Yankees, MLB, or pretty much anybody, could have realized their 'error' at any point in the last 50 years of allowing such an irredeemable person to have their music played in a public space. suddenly it's a problem now, because some SJW brought it to their attention.

    LOL. i don't care who you are, or where on the spectrum you exist in the culture wars. that's really, pretty hilarious for how insanely nutty things have gotten.

    What’s nutty about it? Globohomocorp erases your past and your culture so they can erase you as a people/nation. Those well enough behaved during that process emerge as global citizens.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    Napalm! sometimes, however, we need on our napalm team.
  12. What ? I didn’t hear that Sailer , did you say ? Burn baby burn .

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Was that playing at the Pulse? I doubt it was in Great White's set list at the Station in West Warwick.
  13. @prime noticer
    steve, this is the ultimate "It's the current year" story:

    New York Yankees stop using Kate Smith's recording of God Bless America because she also sang a song in 1939 called That's Why Darkies Were Born.

    wow. going back 80 years to dig up the 'secret' dirt on some long dead singer, when the Yankees, MLB, or pretty much anybody, could have realized their 'error' at any point in the last 50 years of allowing such an irredeemable person to have their music played in a public space. suddenly it's a problem now, because some SJW brought it to their attention.

    LOL. i don't care who you are, or where on the spectrum you exist in the culture wars. that's really, pretty hilarious for how insanely nutty things have gotten.

    Who investigated the entirety of Kate Smith’s work? Probably ADL or AJC. They’re the only organizations with the money and investigators.

  14. Sometimes, people get hoisted on their own petard.

    For example, in the last few years, Israel has been struck by several catastrophic forest fires.

    Well, they typically decided ‘Palestinian arsonists’ were responsible, and ran around seizing and beating plausible Palestinians to try to extract confessions.

    Not much luck…

    It turns out it is Palestinians — but by omission rather than commission. Not too surprisingly, the surviving woodlands of Palestine had adapted to chronic over-grazing over the millenia. In fact, Palestinian sheep and goats — where they didn’t eradicate them entirely — served to keep Palestinian forests free of brush and other potential tinder.

    That is, they did until the Jews, in their endless quest to inflict as much humiliation and misery on their Palestinian victims as possible, began prohibiting them from grazing their livestock in the forests.

    Well, it did serve to impoverish a few more Palestinians — but it turned out there was a cost.

    Israel’s forests swiftly became tinderboxes and started to burn up every summer.

  15. @Desiderius
    What's nutty about it? Globohomocorp erases your past and your culture so they can erase you as a people/nation. Those well enough behaved during that process emerge as global citizens.

    Napalm! sometimes, however, we need on our napalm team.

  16. @istevefan

    No terrorist group has claimed credit
     
    Whether it was an accident, or something else, I figured some group like ISIS would take credit for it. I am really surprised no one has tried to take credit . Whenever something big like this happens, a terror group somewhere takes credit. If I recall correctly, I think when the Shuttle Columbia disintegrated in 2003, some terror group took credit for it.

    I remember an early news report on September eleven saying that the Japanese Red Army Faction had claimed responsibility for the attacks.

    ‘That helps explain the mission’s success,’ I thought. ‘Who, these days, would be on the lookout for Japanese terrorists?’

    Then Ehud Barak came on the telly to tell us that he and his pals ‘knew’ it was al Qaeda, and that was that, apparently.

  17. @prime noticer
    steve, this is the ultimate "It's the current year" story:

    New York Yankees stop using Kate Smith's recording of God Bless America because she also sang a song in 1939 called That's Why Darkies Were Born.

    wow. going back 80 years to dig up the 'secret' dirt on some long dead singer, when the Yankees, MLB, or pretty much anybody, could have realized their 'error' at any point in the last 50 years of allowing such an irredeemable person to have their music played in a public space. suddenly it's a problem now, because some SJW brought it to their attention.

    LOL. i don't care who you are, or where on the spectrum you exist in the culture wars. that's really, pretty hilarious for how insanely nutty things have gotten.

    The term “culture war” is a bit dated. There was a culture war between traditionalists and liberals, and the liberals won. What we have now is insecure moderate liberals giving in to the demands of the authoritarian far left.

    The problem lies with high profile rich white men. They have the power to shut down this silliness, but usually prefer to appease the cultural far left rather than confront them. Perhaps they fear the far left will drop identity politics and revert back to economic leftism if they are attacked by the rich. However, there are signs their patience is wearing thin. For example, Trump, Thiel and to a certain extent Musk have attacked the liberal media for indulging in “fake news” provided by flaky sources. Similarly, the emergence of explicitly socialist candidates in the Democrat Party is going to be giving the rich second thoughts about donating to them and their media supporters.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    The problem lies with high profile rich white men. They have the power to shut down this silliness, but usually prefer to appease the cultural far left rather than confront them.
     
    No, they're not appeasing the cultural far left. Those high profile rich white men support the cultural far left enthusiastically. They're the ones who created the cultural far left and they're the ones who have been funding it for the past half century.

    They're not behaving out of weakness. They want the victory of the cultural far left. That victory will create the kind of demoralised slave population that they want.
  18. CBS News correspondent Mola Lenghi

    That sounds like the African edition of an Italian sports car.

    Mola Lenghi = Him no legal.

    Actually, he calls himself a “Fairfax County native”.

  19. @haole
    I can imagine that it was an accident, abdullah forgot to turnoff the flood lights and Mohamed used a 15 amp extension cord instead of a 20 Amp for the big lights. Shit happens.

    I imagine the construction crew is african and muslim so accidental could very well muslimdental.

    How about a battery charger left charging overnight? Just a guess.

  20. @donut
    What ? I didn't hear that Sailer , did you say ? Burn baby burn .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sY2rjxq6M

    Was that playing at the Pulse? I doubt it was in Great White’s set list at the Station in West Warwick.

  21. @unpc downunder
    The term "culture war" is a bit dated. There was a culture war between traditionalists and liberals, and the liberals won. What we have now is insecure moderate liberals giving in to the demands of the authoritarian far left.

    The problem lies with high profile rich white men. They have the power to shut down this silliness, but usually prefer to appease the cultural far left rather than confront them. Perhaps they fear the far left will drop identity politics and revert back to economic leftism if they are attacked by the rich. However, there are signs their patience is wearing thin. For example, Trump, Thiel and to a certain extent Musk have attacked the liberal media for indulging in "fake news" provided by flaky sources. Similarly, the emergence of explicitly socialist candidates in the Democrat Party is going to be giving the rich second thoughts about donating to them and their media supporters.

    The problem lies with high profile rich white men. They have the power to shut down this silliness, but usually prefer to appease the cultural far left rather than confront them.

    No, they’re not appeasing the cultural far left. Those high profile rich white men support the cultural far left enthusiastically. They’re the ones who created the cultural far left and they’re the ones who have been funding it for the past half century.

    They’re not behaving out of weakness. They want the victory of the cultural far left. That victory will create the kind of demoralised slave population that they want.

  22. @The Cruncher
    This is an interview with the 'architect' for Notre Dame up to 2013. He refuses to speculate, but says it could not have been an electrical fault, and that the fire was started where was no work was being done. Also, that 800 year-old wood is hard, and hard to set alight.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5QO5dP_NSk

    Turn on CC, the subtitles are in English.

    Here are two shots of what may be someone setting the fire. Pardon me if these are already well-known:
    https://i.4cdn.org/pol/ 1555611788401 .webm -- remove spaces and paste the urls in a new window.
    https://i.4cdn.org/pol/ 1555611800448 .webm -- this one is clearer. Some speculate that it could be a lucky reflection of the sun.

    At least the church was not in a decrepit state before the blaze, having had its electric circuitry reviewed, alarms systems and fire detectors installed and being under 24×7 surveillance.

    Also:

    > Rumors of two starting point for the fire not confirmed.
    > However the fire started from a point where there was no work going on.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Early information (if you can even call it information - more like speculation based on nothing) is often wrong. Everyone needs to calm the f down and wait for the investigators to do their job.
  23. Churches are also often beautiful ornamented tall buildings that have only one wide open space. They burn beautifully with visible flames engulfing the whole structure.

  24. Famous multi-cultural people were watching Notre Dame burn

    Jack Lang, French Minister of Culture under Président Mitterand, and now a director of the Arab World Institute in Paris, took a selfie of himself on the Institute balcony, with burning Notre Dame behind him and a colleague

    And Michelle Obama was on a luxury cruise on the Seine River, the party watching Notre Dame on fire, and if you look closely at one of the media photos, the burning cathedral is reflected in her wine glass

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Did she fiddle as it was burning? Dance a jig? Hand out candy?
  25. Liveleak has a collection of church fire videos. Old (dry) wooden buildings are basically made of kindling. Like the World Trade Center, Notre Dame seemed not to have much of a fire prevention and suppression system, while the fire department did not have a realistic plan to deal with a major fire.

    With North Africans in the suburbs and ‘indigenous French’ in the periphery, unable and unwilling to fund French government schemes, especially regime change wars, and their consequences while Pres Macron cuts taxes on the wealthy, perhaps the French government just did things in a shoddy way.

    Notre Dame at first seems to be a Catholic institution, but it was ‘alienated’ years ago and is a museum operated by the Secular French government, as such it is a symbol of the French central government not the Universal Church.

  26. “There are a number of people out there who like starting fires, so let’s not encourage them with our political ranting.”

    You’ve made these kind of pleas before, Steve, but you’ll continue to be disappointed.

    By definition, the Coalition of the Fringes has a lot of fringe-y people in it, people on the ragged edge of sanity and decency. Goading those people into violent action as the vanguard of the New Woke Order is the raison d’être for much of the media. They’re not going to give it up in the name of your or my idea of decency or the greater good. They have their own definition of decency and the greater good, and as you have extensively documented, it includes things like “abolishing whiteness”.

  27. @The Cruncher
    This is an interview with the 'architect' for Notre Dame up to 2013. He refuses to speculate, but says it could not have been an electrical fault, and that the fire was started where was no work was being done. Also, that 800 year-old wood is hard, and hard to set alight.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5QO5dP_NSk

    Turn on CC, the subtitles are in English.

    Here are two shots of what may be someone setting the fire. Pardon me if these are already well-known:
    https://i.4cdn.org/pol/ 1555611788401 .webm -- remove spaces and paste the urls in a new window.
    https://i.4cdn.org/pol/ 1555611800448 .webm -- this one is clearer. Some speculate that it could be a lucky reflection of the sun.

    That is a fascinating interview. Thanks for posting it.
    When asked “What hypothesis do you have?”, Benjamin Mouton replied “I don’t see one that I can tell . . . (long pause) . . . that it was FAST.”

    Moderator: “Mr. Mouton, what you describe leads to the assumption that . . . someone may have caused the conditions of the fire?”

    Mouton: “I will refrain from making any assumption . . . in the current situation I don’t think we can . . .”

    Moderator: “For now, this hypothesis is ABSOLUTELY not the preferred one”

    The moderator is right. Any hypothesis about the origin of the fire other than “accident” will be met by powerful resistance, both from the French government and the world’s media.

    The speed on Monday night and Tuesday morning with which the world’s media propagated the French prosecutor’s office statement that they had no evidence of arson (a modest and factually true claim – they had no evidence at all about anything at that moment!) should be alarming to any perceptive reader.

    Stay tuned.
    There may well be much, much more to the story of this fire.

  28. Dawud got 15 years (plead down from a possible life sentence) so it’s hard to say that it was a good idea on his part. As Steve points out in his 2017 post, they had him on video all over the place, his cell phone was pinging off the nearby towers, etc. It’s really hard to get away with stuff like this in a crowded area nowadays.

    One of the ways they got the Boston Marathon bombers is that there were not only a million security cameras in the area but they got tourists to send in their photos and eventually they could track the bombers every footstep. How many people were taking pictures around Notre Dame that day?

  29. @haole
    I can imagine that it was an accident, abdullah forgot to turnoff the flood lights and Mohamed used a 15 amp extension cord instead of a 20 Amp for the big lights. Shit happens.

    I imagine the construction crew is african and muslim so accidental could very well muslimdental.

    I imagine the construction crew is african and muslim so accidental could very well muslimdental

    Can’t be…all the package tour taqiyya artists that post here have repeatedly assured me that they are just like us and that they value and respect Christianity!

  30. Another reason for church fires is that most churches have kitchens that are seldom used and that no one in particular is responsible for making sure everything is shut off, etc. I read an insurance company report a few years ago that listed cooking equipment was the cause of 30% of church fires. Although electrical fires were reported to cause more damage. New churches are required to have fire suppression systems in their kitchens similar to a restaurant.

  31. I’m surprised more people haven’t suspected fire insurance fraud in this case. This should be our first thought whenever any building burns down.

    Or, if not fire insurance fraud per se, some sort of fraud connected with renovation and upkeep payments. This twitter thread links to several stories identifying problems the French state was having getting funding: https://twitter.com/maggiekb1/status/1117874743711948800

    It’s not crazy to think that it was known beforehand that a spectacular fire would engulf the roof but otherwise leave the building mostly intact. My understanding is that the fire happened during a break period in the work which is exactly the time to rig an inside-job “accident”. Also there was a mass at the time the fire broke out, which means that random people would be in the building and doing things like walking around and looking for a bathroom.

  32. @prime noticer
    steve, this is the ultimate "It's the current year" story:

    New York Yankees stop using Kate Smith's recording of God Bless America because she also sang a song in 1939 called That's Why Darkies Were Born.

    wow. going back 80 years to dig up the 'secret' dirt on some long dead singer, when the Yankees, MLB, or pretty much anybody, could have realized their 'error' at any point in the last 50 years of allowing such an irredeemable person to have their music played in a public space. suddenly it's a problem now, because some SJW brought it to their attention.

    LOL. i don't care who you are, or where on the spectrum you exist in the culture wars. that's really, pretty hilarious for how insanely nutty things have gotten.

    prime, Paula Deen, was banished for admitting, under oath, that she had uttered the dreaded “N” word, years ago in a conversation with her husband. She told him, that during a bank robbery by a black man, “The nigger put a gun to my head.” Dig up Kate and dump her body in a landfill. Lots of us here will join her.

  33. From experience, there are often fires on construction sites, but in almost every case the blame is placed on “Careless use of a welders’ torch or welding sparks.” Having said that, I highly doubt there was any welding involved in this restoration. I have also seen electrical cords ignite when overloaded, but the timbers in Notre Dame’s roof are massive and the planking fairly stout. Seems the fire needed time to get roaring.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Apparently, a smoke detector went off 25 minutes before flames were seen. They sent someone to check but the alarm paneled was mislabeled so he saw nothing at the spot that he was sent to (because the fire was somewhere else). Fires progress exponentially so the little smoldering trash fire that you could put out with a fire extinguisher at 2:00 o'clock is a raging inferno at 2:30.
  34. @Diversity Heretic
    Fire investigations are often complex, but French fire investigators will be under enormous political pressure to find an accidental cause of the Notre Dame fire. Even if accidental, will the fire investigators conduct a "root cause" analysis and look into such matters as the qualifications of the construction personnel on the site, or the experience and reputation of the contractors hired to carry out the restoration? I suspect not, but I hope that I am pleasantly surprised.

    If one digs down into the news reports on Notre Dame, one discovers that quite a few lesser known French cathedrals and churches, but ones with comparable religious, historic and architectural significance, have gone up in flames in the past decade or so. One might reasonably suspect there is a pattern and its related to certain foreign elements invading the French homeland. But the multicultural French establishment successfully quashed publicity and investigation of these earlier outrages. The difference now is that Notre Dame is too famous and well known for its incineration to be successfully ignored. Macron and his Euro buddies will have to mount a major disinformation campaign to make this go away.

  35. @El Dato
    At least the church was not in a decrepit state before the blaze, having had its electric circuitry reviewed, alarms systems and fire detectors installed and being under 24x7 surveillance.

    Also:

    > Rumors of two starting point for the fire not confirmed.
    > However the fire started from a point where there was no work going on.

    Early information (if you can even call it information – more like speculation based on nothing) is often wrong. Everyone needs to calm the f down and wait for the investigators to do their job.

  36. @Brabantian
    Famous multi-cultural people were watching Notre Dame burn

    Jack Lang, French Minister of Culture under Président Mitterand, and now a director of the Arab World Institute in Paris, took a selfie of himself on the Institute balcony, with burning Notre Dame behind him and a colleague

    And Michelle Obama was on a luxury cruise on the Seine River, the party watching Notre Dame on fire, and if you look closely at one of the media photos, the burning cathedral is reflected in her wine glass

    https://static.europe-israel.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/selfie-Jack-Lang.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/9gL3tcw/Michelle-Obama-wine-glass-reflecting-Notre-Dame-burning.jpg

    Did she fiddle as it was burning? Dance a jig? Hand out candy?

  37. @Buffalo Joe
    From experience, there are often fires on construction sites, but in almost every case the blame is placed on "Careless use of a welders' torch or welding sparks." Having said that, I highly doubt there was any welding involved in this restoration. I have also seen electrical cords ignite when overloaded, but the timbers in Notre Dame's roof are massive and the planking fairly stout. Seems the fire needed time to get roaring.

    Apparently, a smoke detector went off 25 minutes before flames were seen. They sent someone to check but the alarm paneled was mislabeled so he saw nothing at the spot that he was sent to (because the fire was somewhere else). Fires progress exponentially so the little smoldering trash fire that you could put out with a fire extinguisher at 2:00 o’clock is a raging inferno at 2:30.

  38. Some is Baptist Lightning with ministers wanting that big $50k fire insurance payout.

    Baptist Lightning? I’ve always heard it referred to as Jewish Lightning. Is Baptist Lightning a term that’s used or is it a joke based on “Jewish” Lightning with regard to churches?

  39. @The Cruncher
    This is an interview with the 'architect' for Notre Dame up to 2013. He refuses to speculate, but says it could not have been an electrical fault, and that the fire was started where was no work was being done. Also, that 800 year-old wood is hard, and hard to set alight.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5QO5dP_NSk

    Turn on CC, the subtitles are in English.

    Here are two shots of what may be someone setting the fire. Pardon me if these are already well-known:
    https://i.4cdn.org/pol/ 1555611788401 .webm -- remove spaces and paste the urls in a new window.
    https://i.4cdn.org/pol/ 1555611800448 .webm -- this one is clearer. Some speculate that it could be a lucky reflection of the sun.

    The second link has come down. Not sure how it all operates, but goes to a 4chan page “404” that seems to indicate “politically incorrect”.

  40. An extension cord with a kink in it probably arced.

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