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“Not in our Irvine!”

One of the booming industries in Southern California at the moment is providing drug addiction clinics in the sunshine for junkies from the Midwest. But when their insurance runs out and they still love drugs, do they go home to cold Ohio? Often they get a tent and join a homeless encampment.

Asian immigrants in one of Orange County’s most upscale towns, Irvine, are not terribly compassionate. From the L.A. Times:

In fighting homeless camp, Irvine’s Asians win, but at a cost
By ANH DO
APR 01, 2018 | 5:00 AM

In fighting homeless camp, Irvine’s Asians win, but at a cost

One by one, the buses pulled up to the Orange County Hall of Administration last week carrying posters with messages such as “No Tent City” and “No Homeless in Irvine.”

Many of the hundreds on board were immigrants, and this would be their first experience joining a political protest.

A week earlier, county officials announced that they were considering placing emergency homeless shelters in Irvine as well as in Laguna Niguel and in Huntington Beach. All three cities immediately fought the plan, but the opposition was most fierce in Irvine.

Many of the loudest voices in the movement to block the shelter plan were Chinese Americans who came together through social media apps and various community groups. They were joined by immigrants from South Korea, India, Mexico and the Middle East, along with some whites.

They rallied to protect their community from what they see as the ills of homeless camps, which many argued don’t belong in their famously clean, safe, family-oriented planned community. Their protests helped persuade the Orange County Board of Supervisors to overturn the shelter proposal, leaving the county without a homeless plan at a time when the population is growing and officials are shutting down tent cities along the Santa Ana River.

It was a big political victory for the diverse opposition from Irvine. …

Most protesters arrived in 24 buses chartered from Southern California travel agencies, the culmination of eight days of organizing in Irvine by residents.

“Did you see how we created a presence to keep our neighborhoods safe? Look at those crowds! It was like Chinese New Year,” said Kelvin Hsieh, manager of a high-tech company who signed up to ride the bus and marched with his daughter, fifth-grader Ava.

Like Hsieh and others on the buses, Haiying Snider, a fashion designer, said she has “never engaged in political issues” but felt motivated to get involved in this fight because it felt so close to home.

Chunzhu Yu, a dentist with offices in Irvine and Orange, said he paid about $5,000 to sponsor seven buses, taking half a day off from seeing patients to air his views.

“We had to go to defense mode to keep trouble away,” Yu said.

WeIrvine, a Chinese internet services company with about 40,000 members, used its social media platform to spread the word about the plan to locate one of the emergency shelters in Irvine.

WeIrvine co-founder Guoqing Wu stepped up to cover five buses and volunteered the group’s time to help share information via WeChat, a Chinese messaging app connecting thousands of households in Irvine. …

Irvine is an affluent, fast-growing and ethnically diverse city, so it’s no surprise that the protesters would be diverse as well. Asians make up 45.7% of Irvine’s 258,000 residents, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, while whites and Latinos make up 38.2% and 7%, respectively. Among its residents, 65% are college graduates. Irvine boasts a median home value of $740,000.

Where I live in the San Fernando Valley, there aren’t that many East Asians. Most of the recent immigrants are from the ex-Soviet and ex-Ottoman Empires, and their basic political outlook is slightly to the right of Ivan the Terrible and Suleiman the Magnificent.

 
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  1. Remember Petereike’s Law. While based roof squads exist, “right-wing Asian” often refers to someone who hates the Constitution, views free speech as a confused historical aberration, and pledges to ban guns on every survey. Especially if the person designating said Asian is a professional J-school product who thinks that the meaning of “right-wing” is “unapologetically self-interested.”

    • Replies: @fnn

    views free speech as a confused historical aberration
     
    The Moldbuggian neoreaction takes the same position:
    http://thermidormag.com/speaking-freely-of-freely-speaking-sedition/

    They may be regaining some influence with the reported collapse of the Alt-Right.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    I believe it's called "not having slums in your immediate neighborhood" whilst most Sailer commentators cannot see past their two minute hate or wonder why specifically a liberal rag is focusing on them (written by an Asian writer, Anh Do, focused on criticizing her co-ethnics).
    , @Pat Boyle
    OT

    One aspect not mentioned in the media accounts of the March From Honduras is race.

    Here in Oakland we have never had very many Mexican illegals. Most of the guys I picked up off the street to weed my front yard were not Mexica or Azteca - they were Mayans from further south. They're all gone now of course since Trump was elected. But a year or two ago the yard workers hardly spoke anymore Spanish than I do. They spoke some incomprehensible Mayan tongue.

    There's a history lesson there. When Cortez conquered Mexico, he did it with a just a smattering of Spaniards. Guns. armor and steel certainly helped but his best ally was diplomatic. Virtually every group that surrounded the Aztecs were only too glad to help him in his conquests. Here's why.

    Cortez would ask the non-Aztecs for help and they asked him one question in return. "Do you want to eat us?"

    Thus was a continent subdued by a handful of Europeans. The Mayans now marching north towards America remember that Europeans treated them better than the Mexicans did.
  2. “Did you see how we created a presence to keep our neighborhoods safe?”

    “We had to go to defense mode to keep trouble away.”

    You know, there’s something vaguely ironic about these protests by immigrants, but to save my soul I just can’t put my finger on it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    You know, there’s something vaguely ironic about these protests by immigrants, but to save my soul I just can’t put my finger on it.

    I know, I find it almost offensive, even though I share their opinion about homeless camps.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    You know, there’s something vaguely ironic about these protests by immigrants, but to save my soul I just can’t put my finger on it.
     
    Try harder.
  3. How does it go again? – “How much intolerance can we tolerate?” That’s what the Swedish compassionate lefties may be asking themselves upon seeing the huge increase in violent crime from their Moslem imports. Calilfornians who have compassion for the homeless and also for the poor diverse immigrants from the Orient may well ask themselves the same question.

    We are not importing a whole lot of compassion, as compassionate as we may be in doing it. It’s not gonna work out so well. Do the math, as they say.

    BTW, the writer goes on about “It was a big political victory for the diverse opposition from Irvine. …”, diverse, diverse, diverse, but then everyone she talked to was Chinese. Couldn’t she find any Americans on one of those 24 buses? Oh, also, she says, for a lot of these people this is their first political protest – assimilation at it’s finest!

    • Replies: @Tiny Duck
    I don't. Think you know what diverse within the context of historical white supremacy

    I'm sure if one really thinks about it there is PLENTY of room in Montana, Wyoming and North & South Dakota to pitch their tents and such...........Why they could even dig latrines, get someone to deliver the welfare checks. and might even elect their own mayor and city councils............the possibilities are endless....the alternative is for ALL homeless advocates to take into their homes at least THREE homeless persons or maybe ONE family to feed, clothe and house ..........how simple is this ???
    , @fred c dobbs
    No. Save for a tiny sprinkling, it was ALL Chinese. The Register's cub reporter-ette was conflating TWO protests......this one, and a standard general kvetch about immigrant "rights" nearby. You can guess who attended which.

    FYI - I lived in Irvine nearly 20 years, and am now next door. I have a pretty good idea of the place. People refer to it as Beige Mayberry (the beige referring to the ubiquitous stucco). That it may be, if you swapped out most of the European Whites. Neatly tucked into the Census Bureau's tally under "white" is a whole lot of folks, much like Steve's ESFV , whose ancestors hail from a number of neighboring countries with distinct gutteral languages. If pressed, I'd guess the Euro population of Irvine at about 25%. Walk into any CVS for anecdotal verification.
  4. Steve,

    The L.A.Times reported that “the victory came at a cost, with some accusing the residents of intolerance and simply wanting to keep the homeless out of their cities without offering an alternative solution.”

    The purported “cost” pales compared to the residents’ loss of property values, safety and personal tranquility.

    And Steve, congratulations for being ensconced amongst such worth neighbors.

    • Replies: @Altai
    It's also a cost without meaning in the first place, they're not a part of the society that would judge them harshly for it, they won't feel any consequences.
  5. “We had to go to defense mode to keep trouble away,” Yu said.

    Must … not … joke … about Asians … being robots …

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Heh! You forgot the required tag [/Captain Kirk-out/]
  6. If America were to “go to defense mode to keep trouble away” it would deport all of its low-noblesse-oblige fifth columnists, which would bet at least 1/3rd of its population.

  7. @J.Ross

    “We had to go to defense mode to keep trouble away," Yu said.
     
    Must ... not ... joke ... about Asians ... being robots ...

    Heh! You forgot the required tag [/Captain Kirk-out/]

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    It's just how they're wired. Later on they'll need to recharge, but at the moment they'll keep going and going and going ...
  8. LKM says:

    Maybe Irvine could institute some sort of head tax for white people. I mean, if whites owe the descendants of slaves reparations in the current year, surely modern day Chinese-Americans ought to be able to pass at least one White Exclusion Act. Why should blacks get to have all the fun?

    Also, do the above demographic numbers count Indians and Pakistanis as Asian, like they do in the UK? It’s just that where I’m from, Asian only ever means east Asian.

  9. eah says:

    Hopefully some of the “junkies” will be helped (regardless of the motives of those who operate the clinics) — as for the others, their ancestors/genome did little to build America, and they do not belong here in such large numbers — but I also don’t think large homeless encampments in urban and suburban areas should be allowed/tolerated.

  10. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t they know that Tentrification is the wave of the future. They need to a river to the people.

    Or must the Tentrifiers just say, “Forget it, Jake. It’s Chinatown.”

    Still, how did it go from Grapes of Wrath to Groups on Meth?

    It seems like they are acting fast.

    In the 60s, San Fran let the hippies run riot and the place got ugly. It took some time to clean up the mess, largely thanks to rise of high tech.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    Is the mess cleaned up? When my husband was there in the 60's it was crime-ridden and foul. When I was there in the 80's it was degenerate, crime-ridden, and foul. Now in the 20teens what is it? Corrupt, degenerate, crime-ridden, and foul.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    FYI, I'm stealing tentfrication.
    , @Pat Boyle
    I got to San Francisco in the 60s and I moved into the Haight. Do you mean me?
  11. I can’t believe the LA Times has called out open season on the Chinese. This article doesn’t exactly paint the Chinese in a positive light. They are nimbys just like the rest of us.

    But in reality, who really wants a tent city full of homeless heroin addicts in their neighborhood?

    Many years ago a friend told me that UCI stands for “University of Chinese immigrants.” That acronym holds more than a grain of truth. The acronym for UCLA is similarly pejorative.

    • Replies: @Altai
    Are they heroin addicts so much anymore? Part of the reason for the increase in numbers is that these places (At least in California) have become more Hoovervilles than traditional homeless encampments.

    And contra the fears, heroin addicts are less dangerous than the average person. (Think about what heroin does to you and what kind of person does heroin in the first place) It's crack-heads you want to be scared about.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    University of Caucasions Lost among Orientals?

    No, wait that doesn't work. That could work for the Uuniversity of Central and Lower Ohio , if there were one, but really, it works for the graduate schools of almost any US university at this point.

  12. Not surprisingly, Irvine resident Kevin Drum says he would absolutely, 100% support a homeless shelter in Irvine except, shucks, his neighbors won’t allow it. What can you do?

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Not surprisingly, Irvine resident Kevin Drum says he would absolutely, 100% support a homeless shelter in Irvine except, shucks, his neighbors won’t allow it. What can you do?
     
    Deport Kevin Drum to the south side of Chicago.
  13. anonymous[341] • Disclaimer says:

    The opiate addiction problem just keeps snowballing along, getting bigger and bigger. How many junkies and heavy users are there in the US? Is having a huge junkie population going to be the new reality? Are tent cities coming like it or not?

    • Replies: @Dr.Benway
    There is no opiate 'epidemic' in the US. It's just all the usual hysteria that began with the Chinese immigrants of the 1800's. About a 1/3 of them were opium smokers and this was one of the things that Unions used to get the Exclusion Act passed. The fact of the matter was that opium wasn't a problem at all and just made them better and more efficient clear headed workers compared to the whisky drinking Union members prone to accidents and disease.
    The US became a world power in the late 1800's early 1900's at a time when all drugs were uncontrolled and many people took opiates but it never hindered progress.
    Drug laws are of course unconstitutional so they were passed as tax laws which are constitutional eg Harrison Tax Act, Marijuana Tax Act
    , @Frau Katze
    Having a warm and pleasant climate year-around is California’s problem.
  14. Anonymous[915] • Disclaimer says:

    Who is homeless, really?

    I both like Laguna Niguel and don’t have a spare $5m for a house there. Might one say I’m a resident of the town, though a homeless one? And what IS the local government doing about this crisis–my desire to live there with no way to afford a house?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    And what IS the local government doing about this crisis–my desire to live there with no way to afford a house?
     
    Well, we can start off with "what color are you?"

    AE Newman, I'm from the government and I'm here to help you Department, Beachfront office.
  15. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve and a lot of commentators are oblivious to what a teachable moment this is.

    A common complaint found here towards middle class black people like Michelle Obama is that they take up “anti-anti” positions against good public order (for example, Michelle urging Obama throughout the White House years to support black suspects killed by policemen).

    Like the “anti-anti” Michelle, Steve and commentators here are not endorsing this flow of drug addicts and the dangerous camps they create, but they are opposing the efforts of a local community, who are of a different race, to get rid of the junkies. It comes down to tribal notions of race. The same racial tribalism that animates people like Michelle to indirectly support black criminality motivates Steve to indirectly side with white delinquents.

    That doesn’t make what Michelle does right, but it gives right wing whites empathy for how the black middle class feels.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "...Steve and commentators here are not endorsing this flow of drug addicts and the dangerous camps they create..."

    - Actually, I absolutely endorse the flow of addicts and homeless camps. Whether that be places like liberal elite havens like Rob Reiner's Malibu, or ultra diverse 10% white Detroit, I'm sure the addicts and homeless will be treated the most humanely in the hands of liberals, and far away from mouth-breathing middle class folk and their cruel, selfish ideas like putting the safety of their children ahead of the wants of criminal meth addicts. Let the left lead us all in demonstrating how to humanely treat and tolerate the downtrodden on their doorsteps, so we can all see how it is done.
    , @Tyrion 2
    Steve is merely pointing out that diversity does not equal more compassion. A handful of his commenters are then getting all tribal.
    , @MadDog
    Asians vote left here. They support section 8 in white neighborhoods. They support dumping Somalis in white communities. They are quick to slander and demean whites as racists. That’s the reality. And they support illegals as many illegals are their people.

    Asians have never sided with whites. Yes, Michelle Malkin does. But she’s an outcast in their community.

    I say, let’s replace those homeless with section 8 blacks and refugees from the Muslim world. It’s fair. Asians support those programs. Let them live with policies they vote for.
    , @MBlanc46
    I do not care about the black middle class.
  16. @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    The L.A.Times reported that "the victory came at a cost, with some accusing the residents of intolerance and simply wanting to keep the homeless out of their cities without offering an alternative solution."

    The purported "cost" pales compared to the residents' loss of property values, safety and personal tranquility.

    And Steve, congratulations for being ensconced amongst such worth neighbors.

    It’s also a cost without meaning in the first place, they’re not a part of the society that would judge them harshly for it, they won’t feel any consequences.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  17. @petit bourgeois
    I can't believe the LA Times has called out open season on the Chinese. This article doesn't exactly paint the Chinese in a positive light. They are nimbys just like the rest of us.

    But in reality, who really wants a tent city full of homeless heroin addicts in their neighborhood?

    Many years ago a friend told me that UCI stands for "University of Chinese immigrants." That acronym holds more than a grain of truth. The acronym for UCLA is similarly pejorative.

    Are they heroin addicts so much anymore? Part of the reason for the increase in numbers is that these places (At least in California) have become more Hoovervilles than traditional homeless encampments.

    And contra the fears, heroin addicts are less dangerous than the average person. (Think about what heroin does to you and what kind of person does heroin in the first place) It’s crack-heads you want to be scared about.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    Is heroin a depressant taken by depressives and crack a stimulant taken by manics? Serious question.

    I don't know about heroin but alcohol seems to be taken by depressives to dull the psychic pain of depression. I wonder if cocaine users are extroverted/manic so a stimulant is their preferred high.
    , @unit472
    Heroin addicts are no bargain. They steal and burglarize.
    , @stillCARealist
    Heroin makes you want more heroin, which costs $, which you don't have, so you lie and manipulate and steal and lie some more to get it. My friend went through this with her son and it was a nightmare.

    My solution to the homeless is well-regulated, well-walled barracks. If you have only a pittance to live on, then you can work to keep the place clean and feed the others.

    Also: my neighbor's son, who is a talented worker, except for drugs, has been banned from the house and lives in his car. That actually seems to work for him. He goes to work, then parks in various friends' driveways, including his dad's, and gets high. He's able to pay for his phone, his (old) car, and his drugs that way.

    Drugs are an absolute menace.
    , @Anonymous
    That's true, although the withdrawals can be so bad that it can induce normally easygoing and non criminal, non violent people to do some extreme things.
  18. @petit bourgeois
    I can't believe the LA Times has called out open season on the Chinese. This article doesn't exactly paint the Chinese in a positive light. They are nimbys just like the rest of us.

    But in reality, who really wants a tent city full of homeless heroin addicts in their neighborhood?

    Many years ago a friend told me that UCI stands for "University of Chinese immigrants." That acronym holds more than a grain of truth. The acronym for UCLA is similarly pejorative.

    University of Caucasions Lost among Orientals?

    No, wait that doesn’t work. That could work for the Uuniversity of Central and Lower Ohio , if there were one, but really, it works for the graduate schools of almost any US university at this point.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    UCLA = University of Caucasians Lost among Asians
  19. Asians cleanse Irvine of white junkies.

    (Say, who sold the latter the goodies in the first place? Hopefully not the local “pirr mirr”.)

  20. @Anonymous
    Who is homeless, really?

    I both like Laguna Niguel and don't have a spare $5m for a house there. Might one say I'm a resident of the town, though a homeless one? And what IS the local government doing about this crisis--my desire to live there with no way to afford a house?

    And what IS the local government doing about this crisis–my desire to live there with no way to afford a house?

    Well, we can start off with “what color are you?”

    AE Newman, I’m from the government and I’m here to help you Department, Beachfront office.

  21. Good for them. More people need to take their example. Let the libs in the media call you racist or whatever. If the government is attacking your livelihood and peace to promote some social engineering scheme, speak up.

    • Agree: rogue-one
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Ditto. Can anybody here really blame them? I'd be happily marching right along with them. Homeless drug addicts are not welcome near my home, regardless of race. Period. Dot. Is that really so hard to understand?! Anybody who was alive in the 1980s, whatever happened to committing people with obvious mental issues to asylums? I know Reagan had something to do with that.

    The real root of the problems of this nation (apart from the spoiled crony-capitalists who can't bear the idea of facing natural market forces of supply and demand if it just might work against them for once) lie with the white upper-middle "clerisy" class. They never, ever have to deal with the consequences of the policies they advocate, whether it is Les Deplorables or The Wrong Kind of Minority getting hit. Focus homeless attention on them instead. Let their leafy suburbs get a little taste of invasion from homeless people, illegals, Section 8 dwellers, and the other dregs of society. The only thing the bien-pensants understand are consequences to their own soft lives, hard and swift.

    And as a general note, you don't even need to go to Asia to figure out how ridiculous the idea of combating racism by importing people from cultures far less PC than ares really is, on a tactical level, and what that says about the bien-pensant relationship with reality. About five minutes of interaction over some alcohol with a Chinese or Indian graduate student will show how absolutely shallow their imbibing of political correctness really is. (Or, for that matter, a Nigerian resident at an inner city hospital.) Having not been raised in such a milieu for most of their lives, they genuinely don't *get* it. They know the words, but not the music, and it shows with the slip-ups. If they ever talk about any of the PC platitudes in front of a perceived "baizuo", it is because they are told, verbatim, that this is how "civilized" bourgeois people think, and they don't want to screw up their relationship with people who control their job or doctorate over it.

    For the Chinese in particular, coming from arguably the most communal culture on the planet, they aren't going to question "normal" social views on their own. So they'll just mouth what they need to to keep the baizuo off their back while often privately holding views-or not so privately, if you know a little Mandarin and overhear conversations with other FOBs in the graduate student lounge or in a Sichuanese restaurant-that would make Pat Buchanan blush.

    , @danand
    Good for them. More people need to take their example. Let the libs in the media call you racist or whatever. If the government is attacking your livelihood and peace to promote some social engineering scheme, speak up.

    Ed, I agree with you wholeheartedly; more people need to follow their example.

    Whatever happened to vagrancy enforcement in California? And when did it become legal to stand in center of the street, occasionally wondering out into the roadway at ones whim/pleasure?

    The number of aggressive homeless in the SF Bay Area has been rapidly increasing over the ~last half decade. The unpleasantness is just the start, blocking traffic - annoying, and the petty crime about the worst of it. I guess a little similar to the gypsies of Europe, perhaps less generational, more situational?

    Most of these aggressive homeless are to my dismay, white. Long ago, when the numbers were less numerous, I'd give a buck or two. Those days are long gone; I don't want to give them any encouragement to continue with their, what now seems to have become an acceptable, chosen lifestyle.

    Just as an aside, I worked alongside several previously homeless whom a production manager had hired off the street (the only people she could get locally to work for $10Hr). This worked out fine; some staying almost 2yrs. But eventually, to a person, they all went back to the streets.


    Off that rant and back to the subject at hand. California is rolling out a new, relatively explicit, "reproductive education curriculum. There is included material that makes me blush, I can only imagine the teachers thoughts at having to present it. Anyway a group of parents got together with the last to weeks and put a dead stop to the new materials implementation in our district. The parents that organized the effort, and who put in all the time to "get the job done", are East Indian; I was but a follower, lending modest support.
  22. Lastly, Steve, I’m not sure why you like that Qin Shi Huangdi. Mine always has entirely too much MSG.

  23. Chinese people have their own country which is called China.
    They have to go back.

    • Replies: @Nycsf
    Working class white trash junkie
  24. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

    “Steve and a lot of commentators are oblivious to what a teachable moment this is.” Why? Because it exposes istevers as ethnocentric? No. The average commenter is a realist, and knows that all peoples are tribalistic, including themselves. Separate nations are the solution. The problem is the West’s denial of this reality.

    We need to be realistic about terrible factionalism that tribalism wreaks.This story is another example why. The message is not, “whites are hypocrites too and need to be less tribalistic” but “diversity is a scourge” and “separate peoples need separate countries.” White’s have been conned into unilaterally surrendering their tribalism enough. No more.

    • Agree: Anonym
  25. Chinese come together to protest Americans whose lives were ruined by Chinese fentanyl and outsourcing. Intersectional film at 11:00.

    • Agree: Clyde
  26. “It comes down to tribal notions of race. The same racial tribalism that animates people like Michelle to indirectly support black criminality motivates Steve to indirectly side with white delinquents.”

    See that’s the only truth there is. Racial tribalism always beats universalism, because universalism is idiotic.

    Now, now, I know what you are thinking. The US and the West in general did pretty well with this for a decent amount of time right?

    Yeah, but while they spouted high minded rhetoric, they also cheerfully dealt pretty harshly with any opponents. The universalism was a group strategy to enhance that group’s competiveness, not something extended to opponents and competitors; those were dealt with in a way the Great Khan would have thought appropriate.

    See, the problem basically is – the West started to believe their own bullshit. Instead of being happy, successful, admired hypocrites who rightly blamed foes for slaming their faces into the West’s fists, with an army of enthusiastic apologists produced at universities as opposed to what we have now.

    “That doesn’t make what Michelle does right, but it gives right wing whites empathy for how the black middle class feels.”

    It doesn’t give empathy. It gives a roadmap.

    • Replies: @myself

    the West started to believe their own bullshit. Instead of being happy, successful, admired hypocrites
     
    Oh, I agree we admired ourselves. But admired by non-Westerners? Not so much.

    And I think non-Westerners have always seen through our hypocrisy, even in our heyday. Don't use the non-white SJW immigrants in Western countries as a basis for judging attitudes - they are irrelevant.

    When you go out of our countries, our SJW culture is mocked and regarded as deception and lies by the whole planet.

    Which it is.
  27. It’s funny how the debate over these homeless shelters plays out, and how manipulative the press can be in deciding who gets cast as the villain.

    Salt Lake City has long had a large homeless shelter just west of its downtown. It has been there for over 30 years and has over a thousand beds. For 30+ years people and companies have bought and sold property knowing full damn well exactly where the homeless shelter is.

    Then last year the good liberals of Salt Lake City (plus, ya know, a few monied interests) decided they didn’t want it in SLC anymore. So they announced they were replacing the 1,100 bed shelter with three separate homeless shelters with only 800 total beds. Dispersing a problem is always a good thing (see Section 8 vouchers).

    So who does the press cast as the villain – the people in Salt Lake kicking out the homeless shelter that has been there for 30 years? No, of course not. The worstest villains were the citizens of the Republican-leaning towns of Draper and Bluffdale, who were a little upset when the possibility of being host to a homeless shelter was dumped on them a single day before the county mayor was set to make a decision on where to place it. A homeless shelter in Draper also had the terrific benefit of being almost as far away from downtown Salt Lake City as possible while still being inside Salt Lake County (over 18 miles from downtown Salt Lake, but less a mile from the Utah County line). It would have dumped them near an exurb that is rapidly turning into a commercial rival of downtown Salt Lake.

    Needless to say the press (and even a few asswipe Republican politicians) had a field day bashing these last-minute sacrificial lambs. The mayor ultimately decided to place it in some forlorn locale near the county jail. A convenient choice considering the Draper location would have pissed off a lot more constituents in the congressional district where he is now running against Mia Love.

  28. Anonymous[527] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Steve and a lot of commentators are oblivious to what a teachable moment this is.

    A common complaint found here towards middle class black people like Michelle Obama is that they take up "anti-anti" positions against good public order (for example, Michelle urging Obama throughout the White House years to support black suspects killed by policemen).

    Like the "anti-anti" Michelle, Steve and commentators here are not endorsing this flow of drug addicts and the dangerous camps they create, but they are opposing the efforts of a local community, who are of a different race, to get rid of the junkies. It comes down to tribal notions of race. The same racial tribalism that animates people like Michelle to indirectly support black criminality motivates Steve to indirectly side with white delinquents.

    That doesn't make what Michelle does right, but it gives right wing whites empathy for how the black middle class feels.

    “…Steve and commentators here are not endorsing this flow of drug addicts and the dangerous camps they create…”

    – Actually, I absolutely endorse the flow of addicts and homeless camps. Whether that be places like liberal elite havens like Rob Reiner’s Malibu, or ultra diverse 10% white Detroit, I’m sure the addicts and homeless will be treated the most humanely in the hands of liberals, and far away from mouth-breathing middle class folk and their cruel, selfish ideas like putting the safety of their children ahead of the wants of criminal meth addicts. Let the left lead us all in demonstrating how to humanely treat and tolerate the downtrodden on their doorsteps, so we can all see how it is done.

  29. Chunzhu Yu, a dentist with offices in Irvine and Orange, said he paid about $5,000 to sponsor seven buses, taking half a day off from seeing patients to air his views.

    “We had to go to defense mode to keep trouble away,” Yu said.

    As compared to attack mode, back when they were colonizing Irvine and stealing it from Whites.

    Muh Civil War guys: where are your dentists who are gonna kick in 5 grand to sponsor right wing activities?

    • Replies: @Frank the Prof
    "colonizing Irvine and stealing it from Whites."

    According to wiki, Irvine has doubled in population from 1990 to now. In 1990 it was 78% White. In the 2010 census it was 50% White, so it's probably about 40% now. It seems that it isn't Whites moving out as much as Asians moving in.

    So the all the new immigrants seem to be to the right of Attila, but then why are they all voting blue? Irvine went 88% Hillary in 2016.
  30. OT – Jeremy Corbyn accused of anti-Semitism for attending Jewish Passover event hosted by anti-Israel Jewish organisation – https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/03/jeremy-corbyn-called-irresponsible-after-attending-radical-jewish-event

    • Replies: @Altai
    That's some next level 'It's impossible that anyone could be against Israeli actions it can only be irrational Jew-hating!'.

    The mural thing was also pretty mental, but being accused of anti-semitism for attending a Jewish cultural event hosted by an explicitly Jewish organisation takes the cake.

  31. @Simon in London
    OT - Jeremy Corbyn accused of anti-Semitism for attending Jewish Passover event hosted by anti-Israel Jewish organisation - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/03/jeremy-corbyn-called-irresponsible-after-attending-radical-jewish-event

    That’s some next level ‘It’s impossible that anyone could be against Israeli actions it can only be irrational Jew-hating!’.

    The mural thing was also pretty mental, but being accused of anti-semitism for attending a Jewish cultural event hosted by an explicitly Jewish organisation takes the cake.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    That’s some next level ‘It’s impossible that anyone could be against Israeli actions it can only be irrational Jew-hating
     
    Being against Israeli actions but not being against Indonesian , Moroccan , Turkish ,Chinese ,Nigerian and Sudanese
    actions , to name just a few ,would be irrational Jew hating .

    Chinese occupation of Tibet and Xinyang_hundreds of thousands killed.
    Nigerian occupation of Biafra_2 million killed
    Sudanese occupation of Darfur_800,000 killex
    Indonesian occupation of Papua _500,000 killled
    Turkish occupation of Cyprus and Kurdistan_75,000 killed
    Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara_40,000 killed
    Israel_Palistinian conflict_23,000 killed.

    What other reason that the worst get totally ignored and the most benign gets more attention than all the rest combined?

  32. They might be ne’er do wells but they are our ne’er do wells.

  33. @Achmed E. Newman
    How does it go again? - "How much intolerance can we tolerate?" That's what the Swedish compassionate lefties may be asking themselves upon seeing the huge increase in violent crime from their Moslem imports. Calilfornians who have compassion for the homeless and also for the poor diverse immigrants from the Orient may well ask themselves the same question.

    We are not importing a whole lot of compassion, as compassionate as we may be in doing it. It's not gonna work out so well. Do the math, as they say.

    BTW, the writer goes on about "It was a big political victory for the diverse opposition from Irvine. …", diverse, diverse, diverse, but then everyone she talked to was Chinese. Couldn't she find any Americans on one of those 24 buses? Oh, also, she says, for a lot of these people this is their first political protest - assimilation at it's finest!

    I don’t. Think you know what diverse within the context of historical white supremacy

    I’m sure if one really thinks about it there is PLENTY of room in Montana, Wyoming and North & South Dakota to pitch their tents and such………..Why they could even dig latrines, get someone to deliver the welfare checks. and might even elect their own mayor and city councils…………the possibilities are endless….the alternative is for ALL homeless advocates to take into their homes at least THREE homeless persons or maybe ONE family to feed, clothe and house ……….how simple is this ???

    • Replies: @tyrone
    now tiny that's just mean,don't you want to buy the world a coke,every body gets one ….right?
    , @nebulafox
    That's actually not too bad of an idea-hey, a broken clock is right twice a day-but there are two major issues:

    1) Most of the homeless will not go willingly for reasons ranging from weather conditions to proximity to drug dealers, who in turn don't want their clientele disappearing. Now, being a generally amoral conservative bastard in the real sense of the word (i.e, not post-1980s Conservatism Inc.), I have no issues with "persuading" them to go, or making them magically appear in the Dakotas one day, and applying carrot and stick measures to ensure the local employers hire the ones who can prove themselves in rehab. But I think a lot of Americans would have a problem with that. That it is for their own good is irrelevant. The Democrats will throw up a fuss because of some retarded, estrogen laden emotional argument about being mean or something.

    2) For them to be productive members of society, many of them need to be weaned off of drugs, get some job training, etc. That takes concerted effort, time, and money. So the Republicans will throw up a fuss since they don't do the whole long term thinking thing anymore. Unless it is how to grease the next corporate tax cut for a bunch of billionaires that openly support their opponents, in which case, The Turtle of the Senate displays a sudden species of low-brow, animal like cunning-which is enough for the circus show that is our politics.

    Besides, what will happen when the cured homeless because Deplorables or Dark Fetish Objects and start demanding higher wages than the illegals, like their cohorts? True, The Dakotas and Montana are far enough from the border that employers there have a harder time (that, and I've also noticed that employers and people in general in those states are just... well, not as a-holish and uber-focused on optimizing short-term profits above everything), but Trump's potential re-election caravan of semi-literate indios coming out of the most dystopian, backward states in the Western Hemisphere might change that if they don't turn out to be what I just mentioned, and instead somehow get Trump to play Merkel. At this point, I'm done predicting what Trump will and will not do from one day to the next.

    , @Briny Schmuck
    I am sure that you would agree with me that, if not for systematic white supremacy giving the white male cave beasts all the unfair advantages in the world, white men would be at the very bottom of the civilizational totem pole and PoC would be situated at the top almost without exception. White success is completely abnormal, a horrible inhuman aberration brought about purely by institutional racism -- and in a just and truly anti-racist world, the true racial hierarchy would commence and whites without the assistance provided by racist systems would reside at the very bottom of society as is deemed fit by nature itself, given their innate and unvarying white stupidity and white laziness. If you disagree with this impeccable anti-racist logic, then you are playing into the hands of whiteness and white supremacy.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    OMG! A reply from Tiny Duck ... THE Tiny Duck! I am not worthy!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjaqrPpdQYc

    I feel a bit slighted, however, by getting a reply that is NOT a troll post. What gives? I thought I was SOMEBODY. Anyway, there's no reason not to answer, so I'll ask you if you have spent many nights in the freezing cold outside, TD. I don't mean a week-long camping trip with your 20F bag and all your best equipment. I mean day in and day out.

    California has the best climate in the continental US, by a long shot. For a homeless guy, that is a big deal. Even the South does not compare, because you've got your skeeters, fleas, gnats, and chiggers bugging you for 4-5 months.

    I can't speak for Briney Schmuck, hahahhaaa, but I am honored, good sir.
  34. @Altai
    Are they heroin addicts so much anymore? Part of the reason for the increase in numbers is that these places (At least in California) have become more Hoovervilles than traditional homeless encampments.

    And contra the fears, heroin addicts are less dangerous than the average person. (Think about what heroin does to you and what kind of person does heroin in the first place) It's crack-heads you want to be scared about.

    Is heroin a depressant taken by depressives and crack a stimulant taken by manics? Serious question.

    I don’t know about heroin but alcohol seems to be taken by depressives to dull the psychic pain of depression. I wonder if cocaine users are extroverted/manic so a stimulant is their preferred high.

    • Replies: @hwh
    Wow. You know less than nothing about drugs. Including, somehow, alcohol.

    Depressant doesn't mean what you apparently think it means. It "depresses" certain functions, like inhibitions por ejemplo.

    Depressed people don't do start doing drugs of any kind unless they are already addicted to them.

    I mean, for the love of God how does anyone have such a retrograde view of... alcohol??

    P.S. I don't know what psychic pain is but if you do, may I recommend visiting a psychiatrist to fix that malware for you? Drugs are good m'kay?
    , @Daniel Chieh

    Is heroin a depressant taken by depressives and crack a stimulant taken by manics? Serious question.

     

    Sure, its a workable stereotype.

    Stimulants cause both actual increased mental functioning(something few want to acknowledge) as well as mania so that their users have an even more inflated belief in their function; the resulting combination is not usually pleasant.

    Note that many drug users end up cross-use a variety of drugs(to them, it basically all serves a general notion of "mood-enhancing"), so ultimately its a bit moot.

    I've had personal experience with a few: its almost amazing what you can get - its how you get a father who feels that he can work all night to prove his superiority, while simultaneously abusing the company card to buy equipment to sell for cash, using company time to cheat on his wife, finding a way to make his wife "useful" to get more cash, install cameras to spy on his boss' office, and reaching a pitch where he was conspiring to murder me because I was noticing what he was doing. Frankly, despite the essential evil he exhibited, there's something almost breathtaking and fearlessness in the energy that he had. And mind you, he was a father with children! I can't imagine risking going to jail with my kid out there...

    And yes, he was white. If you really wanted an HBD connection, he was also Italian and as he went insane, he became pretty obsessed with the mob-related history of his family.

    , @Anonymous
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_dzDb5v744
  35. Humanity can look forward to the kindness, generosity and altruistic attitude of the Han Chinese in the interesting times ahead…

    • Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Yeah I don't think your average colored folks are gonna especially like their new Chinese overlords.

    Nor do I think the average Jew in Europe is feeling all too comfortable around their new muslim neighbors and their ever increasing numbers especially in contrast to the liberal Jews decreasing numbers.
    , @anon

    Humanity can look forward to the kindness, generosity and altruistic attitude of the Han Chinese in the interesting times ahead…
     
    Give me a break. If these protesters were middle class whites or German immigrants you'd be praising their "German sensibilities".

    Residents in homeless mecca Seattle are complaining that the homeless drug addicts are breaking into their homes, searching through their garbage, generating tons of garbage themselves, and discarding used needles all over the sidewalks. It's gotten to the point where you can't even let your kids play outside anymore, one minute you're not paying attention, and they could pick up a tainted discarded needle and stab themselves or each other.

    This whole notion of "good Christian" helping those "down on their lucks" by giving them endless food and shelter while they continue to do drugs is the height of stupidity. Thanks to all the shyster Jewish psychiatrists convincing the Obama admin that addiction is a "disability", now a growing army of junkies are collecting their disability checks to support their drug habits.

    These homeless bums are a menace and a danger to every community and need to be busted up and run out of town. F the libtards and the churches who want to bring them in. "Helping" people to become menace to society is unchristian in itself.

    GOD HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES.
  36. @Altai
    Are they heroin addicts so much anymore? Part of the reason for the increase in numbers is that these places (At least in California) have become more Hoovervilles than traditional homeless encampments.

    And contra the fears, heroin addicts are less dangerous than the average person. (Think about what heroin does to you and what kind of person does heroin in the first place) It's crack-heads you want to be scared about.

    Heroin addicts are no bargain. They steal and burglarize.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "Heroin addicts are no bargain. They steal and burglarize."

    They also drive while high and nod out while smoking cigarettes. And spread Hepatitis C, among other diseases.
  37. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    Most of the recent immigrants are from the ex-Soviet and ex-Ottoman Empires, and their basic political outlook is slightly to the right of Ivan the Terrible and Suleiman the Magnificent.

    And they vote accordingly. While Asians vote Democrats – presumably to fight white oppressors.

  38. Non-whites are far less susceptible to guilt than whites.

  39. @J.Ross
    Remember Petereike's Law. While based roof squads exist, "right-wing Asian" often refers to someone who hates the Constitution, views free speech as a confused historical aberration, and pledges to ban guns on every survey. Especially if the person designating said Asian is a professional J-school product who thinks that the meaning of "right-wing" is "unapologetically self-interested."

    views free speech as a confused historical aberration

    The Moldbuggian neoreaction takes the same position:
    http://thermidormag.com/speaking-freely-of-freely-speaking-sedition/

    They may be regaining some influence with the reported collapse of the Alt-Right.

    • Replies: @Flip
    Why should freedom of speech and freedom of the press be allowed? Why should a government which is doing what it believes to be right allow itself to be criticized? It would not allow opposition by lethal weapons. Ideas are much more fatal things than guns. Why should any man be allowed to buy a printing press and disseminate pernicious opinions calculated to embarrass the government?

    LENIN: Speech in Moscow, 1920
    , @Samuel Skinner
    I think Nrx and Moldbug are going to win by default. The pure anti-semitic position is occupied by the Daily Stormer and their recent article shows why it is hollow- it requires ignoring everything that occurred in the country prior to 1881. This is a bit of an issue; it is easy enough to point out Jewish over-representation in the Civil Rights movement, but a little bit harder to explain the fact that a good part of the campaign was about getting the 14th and 15th amendments enforced.
  40. The Chinese won’t win the Scramble For America.

    The William the Conqueror that takes over the American Empire in the next few years will have to win over the Germans in the Great Lakes states and the Anglo-Celts in the Southern states. Remember, William had troops from Brittany and Flanders and other areas, besides Normans.

    President Trump has used the German Strategy and it worked. The German Strategy is to win over the Americans of German ancestry in the Great Lakes states while also winning the Anglo-Celts in the Southern states.

    Thankfully, Vladimir Putin convinced Hillary Clinton not to go to Wisconsin and campaign, and that helped Trump tremendously. As I type this, Hillary Clinton is in the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York, wondering why she listened to Putin’s advice to not go to Wisconsin. Hillary thought it sounded good at the time.

    A story, perhaps apocryphal, says that Vladimir Putin sang “Blueberry Hill” to Hillary in English and it melted her baby boomer heart. Putin has a history of interfering and meddling in the proper functioning of female baby boomer hearts by singing “Blueberry Hill” in English. Putin used the “Blueberry Hill” horseshit on Sharon Stone and she went all all kinds of soppy in her nether regions for the Russian.

    I’ll eat some blueberries to celebrate Autism Month; maybe listen to baby boomer David Byrne sing “People Like Us.” Why did we allow a Scottish guy like Byrne write one of the best ever country songs?

    This comment was written in such a manner so as to attempt to replicate the pre-battle confusion of tactics and reaction that will occur as Civil War II breaks out. Once we get a critical mass of Germans and Anglo-Celts activated and fighting side by side, the recent invaders and foreigners will not stand a chance.

    If that other guy can solicit cash for Sailer in the style of Chaucer then I can try to prod White boobs towards fighting for their own interests in any writing style I choose.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Putin is certainly no Yves Montand* but his gravelly voiced rendition of "Blueberry Hill" is cute. Not surprisingly, he has a good stage presence and knows how to use it to best advantage.

    *sexiest man who ever sung a note or, for that matter, took a breath.
    , @Hairway To Steven

    maybe listen to baby boomer David Byrne sing “People Like Us.” Why did we allow a Scottish guy like Byrne write one of the best ever country songs?
     
    You don't listen to a lot of country music, do you?
    , @snorlax
    Byrne's about as Scottish as Donald Trump.
  41. In this country, Jeffrey Goldberg’s Atlantic is nostalgic for riots:
    The quiescence we have today is unsettling in its own way. For all their destructive power, the riots of the 1960’s at least were bluntly honest, a message that the fight for equality had a long way to go…In the torrents was something like hope.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/02/matthew-desmond-riots/552542/

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Has Mr. Goldberg ever heard "White Riot" by The Clash?
    , @J.Ross
    What a terrifying and disgusting piece. Ignorant too, we have been plagued for years by police-assisted astroturf vandals popularizing sponsored messages, how had that guy missed that and the news is his job?
    What is "honest" about beating a man to death or stealing a color TV? What point do journalists need to cross before they are made sensible? This guy isn't expressing a political opinion, he's courageously calling for somebody else to murder and rob his ethnic rivals.
    Best answer: send to Goldberg, who loves Zionism so sincerely that he once fantasized about joining the IDF, some pictures of honest, purifying Palestinian riots.
  42. @J.Ross
    Remember Petereike's Law. While based roof squads exist, "right-wing Asian" often refers to someone who hates the Constitution, views free speech as a confused historical aberration, and pledges to ban guns on every survey. Especially if the person designating said Asian is a professional J-school product who thinks that the meaning of "right-wing" is "unapologetically self-interested."

    I believe it’s called “not having slums in your immediate neighborhood” whilst most Sailer commentators cannot see past their two minute hate or wonder why specifically a liberal rag is focusing on them (written by an Asian writer, Anh Do, focused on criticizing her co-ethnics).

    • Replies: @snorlax

    written by an Asian writer, Anh Do, focused on criticizing her co-ethnics
     
    Sounds Vietnamese. Something tells me she does not consider the Chinese her co-ethnics.
    , @schnellandine
    What comments were you reading? Two minute hate?

    "most Sailer commentators" is what you wrote. Is that Newspeak for 2.5?
    , @J.Ross
    Oh, then let me clarify. I like Asians. I despise a lot of Asian policies. The main thing I have in mind is Chinese in Malaysia trying go get out of a pogrom by bribing the progromists, who are happy to take the money and then attack the Chinese anyway. Protesting unrestrained immigration into one's own personal neighborhood while supporting it on a larger level is so self-explanatorily stupid that it takes a master's degree to make it make sense. I don't want slums in their neighborhood, or in mine, nor do I want Chinese kids beaten and robbed in some ghetto public school because their neighborhood is a slum. Democrats want all of that.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Would it be too much trouble for you to construct a coherent post? I know you want to communicate something, but what you have written is indecipherable.
  43. @Anon
    Don't they know that Tentrification is the wave of the future. They need to a river to the people.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noyFiYKlFJU

    Or must the Tentrifiers just say, "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown."

    Still, how did it go from Grapes of Wrath to Groups on Meth?

    It seems like they are acting fast.

    In the 60s, San Fran let the hippies run riot and the place got ugly. It took some time to clean up the mess, largely thanks to rise of high tech.

    Is the mess cleaned up? When my husband was there in the 60’s it was crime-ridden and foul. When I was there in the 80’s it was degenerate, crime-ridden, and foul. Now in the 20teens what is it? Corrupt, degenerate, crime-ridden, and foul.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Is the mess cleaned up?... Now in the 20teens what is it? Corrupt, degenerate, crime-ridden, and foul.

    It's all those things and VERY EXPENSIVE.... as well as being very proggy. So, you have a paradox of SF as both the most exclusive city for law-abiders and most inclusive city for law-breakers.

    If you want to legally and legitimately live in SF, it's very difficult to do cuz of high rents and property value. So, over the yrs, the legit residents of SF have gentrified the city to a great degree. If SF were very expensive and anti-proggy, it would be one of the cleanest cities.

    But it's very expensive and very exclusive in legit terms, but its progginess obliges its residents to be tolerant to illegit bums. So, if you don't plan on playing by the rules and want to play the bum, the city is officially 'welcoming' though there are subtle ways rich communities to keep the riff raff out.

    So, you have gross bums and drug addicts roaming around areas with rich people(by US standards if not by SF standards). But maybe even that's preferable to blacks. The bums may commit petty crime here and there, but they are not the types to turn SF into Detroit.

    There was an article in VDARE a long ago about how it's easier to be illegal in the US than a legal resident trying to go thru the legal process to gain citizenship. So, if you want to gain legit residence and status in SF, it aint easy. But if you want to live there as a bum, you have a better chance.
  44. fnn says:

    OT: Antitrust expert claims the govt is helpless to act against monopolists like Amazon and Google:
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/using-antitrust-laws-to-break-up-amazon-facebook-and-google-is-just-political-fantasy-2018-04-03

    Herbert Hovenkamp, who teaches at both the University of Pennsylvania Law School and the Wharton School, wrote the book on antitrust law—actually 21 volumes of it, “Antitrust Law: An Analysis of Antitrust Principles and Their Application.”

    “Just being very big is not an antitrust violation,” he told me in a telephone interview on Friday. “As long as firms are acting on their own [and] they’re not conspiring with others, there hasn’t been a great deal of room for antitrust intervention.”

    Predatory pricing, Hovenkamp explained to me, is a key determinant of monopolistic behavior. Monopolists would often cut prices to drive out competitors and then jack up prices again, squeezing consumers.

    “U.S. antitrust law has been pretty focused on what we call consumer welfare, which means that the dominant thrust of antitrust policy is toward low prices,” Hovenkamp said. “Low prices benefit consumers, but they frequently harm competitors.”

    There’s nothing illegal about charging less, even if it drives competitors out of business. Amazon has done that for 20 years, and it and Wall Street have accepted the subpar earnings that went with it.

    “They are simply a company that has been able to operate under razor-thin margins, and my guess is, that’s going to remain their strategy,” he said. “Low margins are not an antitrust violation, as long as they are not predatory.” That’s also true, of course, for free services like Facebook, Google, and YouTube, another business owned by Alphabet.

    The heart of the matter, said Hovenkamp, is that these are disruptive technologies, and antitrust law has dealt with that type of situation for years.

  45. @Tiny Duck
    I don't. Think you know what diverse within the context of historical white supremacy

    I'm sure if one really thinks about it there is PLENTY of room in Montana, Wyoming and North & South Dakota to pitch their tents and such...........Why they could even dig latrines, get someone to deliver the welfare checks. and might even elect their own mayor and city councils............the possibilities are endless....the alternative is for ALL homeless advocates to take into their homes at least THREE homeless persons or maybe ONE family to feed, clothe and house ..........how simple is this ???

    now tiny that’s just mean,don’t you want to buy the world a coke,every body gets one ….right?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I’m sure Teeny Tiny, with that big heart of his, wants to buy the world a home and furnish it with luuuv ... and a Coke.



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8IwkR7qSXs0
  46. Anon[393] • Disclaimer says:

    Heroin addicts steal everything thats not nailed down and ruin the quality of life in a neighborhood. Trust me on this, I’m from ground zero in the heroin epidemic (white, blue collar Philly) and it has been devastating to our community and not just for the junkies. I look at it as a symptom of the decline of the white working class and of the American empire as a whole. When my parents and grandparents grew up in this neighborhood you could get fired from 1 Union manufacturing job in the morning and get another one the same day. All jobs that you could support a family with. Now it’s all gone to China, and all we’re left with is an unmotivated, hopeless population that would rather have kids out of wedlock and do heroin then jump through the considerable Hoops necessary (think military veteran and or education) to get a decent job anymore.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    Heroin addicts steal everything thats not nailed down and ruin the quality of life in a neighborhood. Trust me on this, I’m from ground zero in the heroin epidemic (white, blue collar Philly) and it has been devastating to our community and not just for the junkies.
     
    Most posters here do not seem to have any experience with them, or users of hard drugs in general; they largely cease to engage in what we would consider as rational processing. Studies of the brain can show that heroine essentially wrecks the reward system within minutes; extensive use essentially hacks it as surely as an experimental rat dehydrating to death because it can keep hitting a lever to stimulate its striatum.

    Even high functioning individuals who get addicted are not pretty and often demonstrate even worse behavior as they will continue to hold down jobs, etc, while actively engaging in methods to increase his addiction. Vendors of such are ultimately pond scum and I rarely use that word, but after knowing people who have gotten thirteen year old girls pregnant three times and beat them into miscarriage, force them into underage pornography and oh, just generally beat them daily because why not, its good to see that iSteve commentators feel the desire to root for them.
  47. @Altai
    Are they heroin addicts so much anymore? Part of the reason for the increase in numbers is that these places (At least in California) have become more Hoovervilles than traditional homeless encampments.

    And contra the fears, heroin addicts are less dangerous than the average person. (Think about what heroin does to you and what kind of person does heroin in the first place) It's crack-heads you want to be scared about.

    Heroin makes you want more heroin, which costs $, which you don’t have, so you lie and manipulate and steal and lie some more to get it. My friend went through this with her son and it was a nightmare.

    My solution to the homeless is well-regulated, well-walled barracks. If you have only a pittance to live on, then you can work to keep the place clean and feed the others.

    Also: my neighbor’s son, who is a talented worker, except for drugs, has been banned from the house and lives in his car. That actually seems to work for him. He goes to work, then parks in various friends’ driveways, including his dad’s, and gets high. He’s able to pay for his phone, his (old) car, and his drugs that way.

    Drugs are an absolute menace.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The funniest story in Miles Davis's autobiography is when he shows up in NYC at age 18 as an affluent young jazz musician with a nice apartment paid for by his dentist daddy. And right away, the great Charlie Parker asks him if he can move in with him until his old lady is cool again. Wow, thinks young Miles. Charlie Parker!

    Then one day he comes home and looks to change his clothes. But all his new suits are gone. Charlie sold them for heroin. Then he comes home and Charlie is sitting on the floor because he sold his couch.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trainspotting_(film)

    Dark comedy about Scottish junkies.
  48. hwh says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    Is heroin a depressant taken by depressives and crack a stimulant taken by manics? Serious question.

    I don't know about heroin but alcohol seems to be taken by depressives to dull the psychic pain of depression. I wonder if cocaine users are extroverted/manic so a stimulant is their preferred high.

    Wow. You know less than nothing about drugs. Including, somehow, alcohol.

    Depressant doesn’t mean what you apparently think it means. It “depresses” certain functions, like inhibitions por ejemplo.

    Depressed people don’t do start doing drugs of any kind unless they are already addicted to them.

    I mean, for the love of God how does anyone have such a retrograde view of… alcohol??

    P.S. I don’t know what psychic pain is but if you do, may I recommend visiting a psychiatrist to fix that malware for you? Drugs are good m’kay?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    He's not incorrect at all and if anything, demonstrates at least a layman's knowledge of alcohol that seems to escape an advanced person like you. The usage of alcohol to self-medicate from depressing circumstances is famously known throughout history: its mechanism indeed decreases the overally ability to feel, which in situations of intense sadness, can be overall positive for mood.

    Alcohol(and including some drugs) are like any other tool in that they can become a go-to for depressive moods, and over time, repeated usage will build positive associations and involuntary urges - even a habit of clicking to go to Unz when bored can form in the same way. Hard drugs are specifically dangerous because they can build that association intensely, and there is indeed a significant subset of heroin users who are associated with depression. The combination of depression and the hacking of their brain that heroin does makes them the lowest rate of successful treatment; the opioid methadone is often prescribed, which essentially just substitutes one drug for another presumably less dangerous one.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    Depressed people don’t do start doing drugs of any kind unless they are already addicted to them.

    "It don't not the drugs unless they are been starting already to do. ... Drugs!"

    I mean, for the love of God how does anyone have such a retrograde view of… alcohol??

    There's no way to meet the monthly bills
    Folks are getting laid off at the mill
    If your girl is cheatin once again
    Just remember you still got a friend

    CHORUS:

    YOU CAN COUNT ON BEER
    EVERYDAY OF EVERY YEAR
    YOU CAN TELL ALL OF YOUR TROUBLES
    TO THOSE BRIGHT GOLDEN BUBBLES
    YOU CAN COUNT ON BEER
    WHEN THE WORLD IS INSINCERE
    BRING A ROUND SING A CHEER
    YOU CAN COUNT ON BEER

    You can smash the fog lamps on your truck
    To hustle pool you need some lady luck
    When you're feelin lower than a hound
    There's one thing that never lets you down

    CHORUS

    Politicians only tell you lies
    And all you see are prices on the rise
    Bosses say that there'll be better days
    Somehow you ain't never seen no raise

    CHORUS

    "Hide my head I wanna drown my sorrows, no tomorrow, no tomorrow"
    — Tears for Fears/Gary Jules, "Mad World'

    Full bottle in front of me,
    Time to roll up my sleeves and get to work
    And after many glasses of work
    I get paid in the brain
    —They Might Be Giants, "Your Own Worst Enemy"

    Don: (at shot glass) Can you drown a woman in this?
    Mike the bartender: How tall is she?
    —Easter Parade (1948)

    "Why are you drinking?" demanded the little prince. "So that I may forget," replied the tippler. "Forget what?" inquired the little prince, who already was sorry for him. "Forget that I am ashamed," the tippler confessed, hanging his head. "Ashamed of what?" insisted the little prince, who wanted to help him. "Ashamed of drinking!" The tipler brought his speech to an end, and shut himself up in an impregnable silence.
    —The Little Prince

    "Let beer be for those who are perishing, wine for those who are in anguish! Let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more."
    —Proverbs, 31:6-7

    "Went off to school and learned to serve the state"
    "Followed the rules and drank his vodka straight"
    "The only way to live was drown the hate"
    "A Russian life was very sad, And such was life in Leningrad"
    — Leningrad, Billy Joel

    "Now everybody's died, so until our tears are cried,"
    "we'll drink and drink and drink and drink and then we'll drink some more."
    "We'll dance and sing and fight until the early mornin' light,"
    "then we'll throw up, pass out, wake up and then go drinkin' once again."
    — Another Irish Drinking Song (everybody's died)
    , @Inquiring Mind
    Can our mutually supportive community at iSteve refrain from "Wow" as a response to a post that we disagree with? (I am also talking to you, J. Ross) What does this mean, that one is surprised by a viewpoint expressed? That you believe the person you disagree with to not only be wrong but be of diminished mental capacity? To be suffering from a mental disorder?

    Could we post with reasoned arguments for disagreement and leave out the "wow" and "LOL" (actually, people have been good about LOL lately) and related Internet-slang embellishment?
  49. @fnn

    views free speech as a confused historical aberration
     
    The Moldbuggian neoreaction takes the same position:
    http://thermidormag.com/speaking-freely-of-freely-speaking-sedition/

    They may be regaining some influence with the reported collapse of the Alt-Right.

    Why should freedom of speech and freedom of the press be allowed? Why should a government which is doing what it believes to be right allow itself to be criticized? It would not allow opposition by lethal weapons. Ideas are much more fatal things than guns. Why should any man be allowed to buy a printing press and disseminate pernicious opinions calculated to embarrass the government?

    LENIN: Speech in Moscow, 1920

    • Replies: @snorlax
    The Tsar would've done well to take Lenin's advice.
  50. So

    If the LA area is full of right-wing immigrants the Republicans and Trump should be doing great?

    It’s also great to see people here praise our ‘new imported Asian overlords’.

  51. @stillCARealist
    Heroin makes you want more heroin, which costs $, which you don't have, so you lie and manipulate and steal and lie some more to get it. My friend went through this with her son and it was a nightmare.

    My solution to the homeless is well-regulated, well-walled barracks. If you have only a pittance to live on, then you can work to keep the place clean and feed the others.

    Also: my neighbor's son, who is a talented worker, except for drugs, has been banned from the house and lives in his car. That actually seems to work for him. He goes to work, then parks in various friends' driveways, including his dad's, and gets high. He's able to pay for his phone, his (old) car, and his drugs that way.

    Drugs are an absolute menace.

    The funniest story in Miles Davis’s autobiography is when he shows up in NYC at age 18 as an affluent young jazz musician with a nice apartment paid for by his dentist daddy. And right away, the great Charlie Parker asks him if he can move in with him until his old lady is cool again. Wow, thinks young Miles. Charlie Parker!

    Then one day he comes home and looks to change his clothes. But all his new suits are gone. Charlie sold them for heroin. Then he comes home and Charlie is sitting on the floor because he sold his couch.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Miles Davis, John Lee Hooker, Dennis Hopper.

    Hot Spot soundtrack.

    https://youtu.be/hzBQK2IBGm8
    , @schnellandine
    So Miles thought, "Hmm, I need to try this heroin thing."
    , @David
    In the late 80's, I was working in a used record and book store on the upper west side. A then fairly well known composer of film scores came in to sell his own vinyl copies of his own sound tracks for less than a $1 each. He unabashedly told us he needed the money for heroin.
  52. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mishra

    “Did you see how we created a presence to keep our neighborhoods safe?"

    “We had to go to defense mode to keep trouble away.”
     
    You know, there's something vaguely ironic about these protests by immigrants, but to save my soul I just can't put my finger on it.

    You know, there’s something vaguely ironic about these protests by immigrants, but to save my soul I just can’t put my finger on it.

    I know, I find it almost offensive, even though I share their opinion about homeless camps.

  53. @Ed
    Good for them. More people need to take their example. Let the libs in the media call you racist or whatever. If the government is attacking your livelihood and peace to promote some social engineering scheme, speak up.

    Ditto. Can anybody here really blame them? I’d be happily marching right along with them. Homeless drug addicts are not welcome near my home, regardless of race. Period. Dot. Is that really so hard to understand?! Anybody who was alive in the 1980s, whatever happened to committing people with obvious mental issues to asylums? I know Reagan had something to do with that.

    The real root of the problems of this nation (apart from the spoiled crony-capitalists who can’t bear the idea of facing natural market forces of supply and demand if it just might work against them for once) lie with the white upper-middle “clerisy” class. They never, ever have to deal with the consequences of the policies they advocate, whether it is Les Deplorables or The Wrong Kind of Minority getting hit. Focus homeless attention on them instead. Let their leafy suburbs get a little taste of invasion from homeless people, illegals, Section 8 dwellers, and the other dregs of society. The only thing the bien-pensants understand are consequences to their own soft lives, hard and swift.

    And as a general note, you don’t even need to go to Asia to figure out how ridiculous the idea of combating racism by importing people from cultures far less PC than ares really is, on a tactical level, and what that says about the bien-pensant relationship with reality. About five minutes of interaction over some alcohol with a Chinese or Indian graduate student will show how absolutely shallow their imbibing of political correctness really is. (Or, for that matter, a Nigerian resident at an inner city hospital.) Having not been raised in such a milieu for most of their lives, they genuinely don’t *get* it. They know the words, but not the music, and it shows with the slip-ups. If they ever talk about any of the PC platitudes in front of a perceived “baizuo”, it is because they are told, verbatim, that this is how “civilized” bourgeois people think, and they don’t want to screw up their relationship with people who control their job or doctorate over it.

    For the Chinese in particular, coming from arguably the most communal culture on the planet, they aren’t going to question “normal” social views on their own. So they’ll just mouth what they need to to keep the baizuo off their back while often privately holding views-or not so privately, if you know a little Mandarin and overhear conversations with other FOBs in the graduate student lounge or in a Sichuanese restaurant-that would make Pat Buchanan blush.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    So they’ll just mouth what they need to to keep the baizuo off their back while often privately holding views-or not so privately, if you know a little Mandarin and overhear conversations with other FOBs in the graduate student lounge or in a Sichuanese restaurant-that would make Pat Buchanan blush.
     
    Then why in the privacy of the voting booth do they still vote democrat?
  54. @Anon
    Heroin addicts steal everything thats not nailed down and ruin the quality of life in a neighborhood. Trust me on this, I'm from ground zero in the heroin epidemic (white, blue collar Philly) and it has been devastating to our community and not just for the junkies. I look at it as a symptom of the decline of the white working class and of the American empire as a whole. When my parents and grandparents grew up in this neighborhood you could get fired from 1 Union manufacturing job in the morning and get another one the same day. All jobs that you could support a family with. Now it's all gone to China, and all we're left with is an unmotivated, hopeless population that would rather have kids out of wedlock and do heroin then jump through the considerable Hoops necessary (think military veteran and or education) to get a decent job anymore.

    Heroin addicts steal everything thats not nailed down and ruin the quality of life in a neighborhood. Trust me on this, I’m from ground zero in the heroin epidemic (white, blue collar Philly) and it has been devastating to our community and not just for the junkies.

    Most posters here do not seem to have any experience with them, or users of hard drugs in general; they largely cease to engage in what we would consider as rational processing. Studies of the brain can show that heroine essentially wrecks the reward system within minutes; extensive use essentially hacks it as surely as an experimental rat dehydrating to death because it can keep hitting a lever to stimulate its striatum.

    Even high functioning individuals who get addicted are not pretty and often demonstrate even worse behavior as they will continue to hold down jobs, etc, while actively engaging in methods to increase his addiction. Vendors of such are ultimately pond scum and I rarely use that word, but after knowing people who have gotten thirteen year old girls pregnant three times and beat them into miscarriage, force them into underage pornography and oh, just generally beat them daily because why not, its good to see that iSteve commentators feel the desire to root for them.

    • Replies: @Anon
    As much as it pains me personally to say this because i am talking about immediate family and close friends here...once they go down the H road, they're gone forever. The things that used to motivate them no longer will and they will cease to be the person that you knew before. It repaves their neural reward pathways so to speak. Maybe down the line some people get clean and dedicate themselves and can become a person worthy of your trust but i have never seen a dope fiend or former junkie reform themselves. Real talk from the streets of Kensington, where the zombies rule the night!
    , @Clyde
    Death penalty for big time dealers of hard drugs. Ten years exile for small scale dealers...we contract with an African nation to take them in. Or maybe Honduras. For addicts we construct a large boot camp style rehab in Alaska.
    , @Mishra
    And yet some (many!) people never become addicted--moreover this is true for every 'addictive' drug. Studying why this is might actually improve the knowledge on the topic.
    , @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro
    Seems like most junkies never get clean, thus I wonder about Rush Limbaugh and Tiger Woods . Are they drug free today or still taking opiates ?
  55. @fnn

    views free speech as a confused historical aberration
     
    The Moldbuggian neoreaction takes the same position:
    http://thermidormag.com/speaking-freely-of-freely-speaking-sedition/

    They may be regaining some influence with the reported collapse of the Alt-Right.

    I think Nrx and Moldbug are going to win by default. The pure anti-semitic position is occupied by the Daily Stormer and their recent article shows why it is hollow- it requires ignoring everything that occurred in the country prior to 1881. This is a bit of an issue; it is easy enough to point out Jewish over-representation in the Civil Rights movement, but a little bit harder to explain the fact that a good part of the campaign was about getting the 14th and 15th amendments enforced.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Let's say you have a daughter who is self-destructive. She's often doing things, out of delusions, that are detrimental to her long term interests.

    Then she starts dating a guy who enables her worst tendencies. You really start to fear that she is going to end up causing her own death soon, through suicide, unintentional overdose, etc.

    You discover texts on her phone from her boyfriend:

    "yeah I got some really great [heroin]; I'll bring it over later we can do it"

    "Yeah I know the world sucks. Might as well live fast and die young"

    "Your family doesn't care about you. They just want to control you and mold you into their little perfect family ideal."

    Etc.

    What do you do? What is your most urgent priority?

    Yes, keeping your daughter from this boy will be difficult. No, it won't solve everything. Yes, she was already a mess before she met him.

    But your top priority is going to be to keep them apart.

  56. @Steve Sailer
    The funniest story in Miles Davis's autobiography is when he shows up in NYC at age 18 as an affluent young jazz musician with a nice apartment paid for by his dentist daddy. And right away, the great Charlie Parker asks him if he can move in with him until his old lady is cool again. Wow, thinks young Miles. Charlie Parker!

    Then one day he comes home and looks to change his clothes. But all his new suits are gone. Charlie sold them for heroin. Then he comes home and Charlie is sitting on the floor because he sold his couch.

    Miles Davis, John Lee Hooker, Dennis Hopper.

    Hot Spot soundtrack.

  57. @hwh
    Wow. You know less than nothing about drugs. Including, somehow, alcohol.

    Depressant doesn't mean what you apparently think it means. It "depresses" certain functions, like inhibitions por ejemplo.

    Depressed people don't do start doing drugs of any kind unless they are already addicted to them.

    I mean, for the love of God how does anyone have such a retrograde view of... alcohol??

    P.S. I don't know what psychic pain is but if you do, may I recommend visiting a psychiatrist to fix that malware for you? Drugs are good m'kay?

    He’s not incorrect at all and if anything, demonstrates at least a layman’s knowledge of alcohol that seems to escape an advanced person like you. The usage of alcohol to self-medicate from depressing circumstances is famously known throughout history: its mechanism indeed decreases the overally ability to feel, which in situations of intense sadness, can be overall positive for mood.

    Alcohol(and including some drugs) are like any other tool in that they can become a go-to for depressive moods, and over time, repeated usage will build positive associations and involuntary urges – even a habit of clicking to go to Unz when bored can form in the same way. Hard drugs are specifically dangerous because they can build that association intensely, and there is indeed a significant subset of heroin users who are associated with depression. The combination of depression and the hacking of their brain that heroin does makes them the lowest rate of successful treatment; the opioid methadone is often prescribed, which essentially just substitutes one drug for another presumably less dangerous one.

  58. Anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Heroin addicts steal everything thats not nailed down and ruin the quality of life in a neighborhood. Trust me on this, I’m from ground zero in the heroin epidemic (white, blue collar Philly) and it has been devastating to our community and not just for the junkies.
     
    Most posters here do not seem to have any experience with them, or users of hard drugs in general; they largely cease to engage in what we would consider as rational processing. Studies of the brain can show that heroine essentially wrecks the reward system within minutes; extensive use essentially hacks it as surely as an experimental rat dehydrating to death because it can keep hitting a lever to stimulate its striatum.

    Even high functioning individuals who get addicted are not pretty and often demonstrate even worse behavior as they will continue to hold down jobs, etc, while actively engaging in methods to increase his addiction. Vendors of such are ultimately pond scum and I rarely use that word, but after knowing people who have gotten thirteen year old girls pregnant three times and beat them into miscarriage, force them into underage pornography and oh, just generally beat them daily because why not, its good to see that iSteve commentators feel the desire to root for them.

    As much as it pains me personally to say this because i am talking about immediate family and close friends here…once they go down the H road, they’re gone forever. The things that used to motivate them no longer will and they will cease to be the person that you knew before. It repaves their neural reward pathways so to speak. Maybe down the line some people get clean and dedicate themselves and can become a person worthy of your trust but i have never seen a dope fiend or former junkie reform themselves. Real talk from the streets of Kensington, where the zombies rule the night!

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    There's always a small chance and well, there's methadone. I've seen people become fairly functional with it again, though I didn't associate with them long enough to know what was their ultimate fate.

    Good luck, sorry about the ones you know.
    , @Anonymous
    as somebody who went to rehab, this is how bad it is: the "veteran" dope addicts came in knowing they only wanted to go to AA and not NA. ie, they preferred to go to AA and say, "...I am an alcoholic" even if they weren't, because NA was just too degenerate and filled with people who didn't want to be clean.

    These were criminals who had been to rehab 5+ times telling me NA was a degenerate trap. Of course, that's the reason NA exists in the first place--AA losers did not want drug addicts *really* messing things up for them. (This is also why those opiate addicts say "I am an alcoholic" at AA meetings: a lot of groups, especially older ones, will not allow people who are addicts but not alcoholics).

    But anyway, if you have a family member who is a heroin or opiate addict, the first step is to never believe anything they say. The second step is to assume they're gone forever. The third step is to cut them off except for checking them into rehab or getting them a lawyer if they're facing serious charges and you don't want them to be literally raped in prison for years. These are completely optional, not obligatory, and by paying for rehab or a lawyer I do mean paying the rehab or the lawyer directly, not giving them money because they "need rent for the halfway house," "need gas money to get to work," etc.

    they will break your heart every single time you believe them, though. so don't spend any energy asking them why and don't expect anything for your rehab efforts. it's all money and time and love flushed down the toilet.


    there's no need to feel guilty about cutting them out of your life because if by some miracle they're a unicorn who does get better, a large part of that will entail their full understanding that they deserve no trust and are entitled to no former relationships (that's a good reality check: any addict trying to make you feel guilty or obligated or sympathetic is playing you, not someone truly in recovery).
  59. ”Most of the recent immigrants are from the ex-Soviet and ex-Ottoman Empires, and their basic political outlook is slightly to the right of Ivan the Terrible and Suleiman the Magnificent.”

    I think those people (being devoid of germanic libertarian insanity) would support things like universal healthcare and welfare programs to end homelessness. Am i wrong?

  60. The Labour MP for Bradford West actually posted this tribute to Winnie Mandela:

    https://order-order.com/2018/04/03/naz-shah-deletes-unfortunate-winnie-tribute/

    • Replies: @Mishra
    Necklaces...such fine jewelry...coming soon to a 'hood near you...
  61. Nah, Chinese immigrants are stupid deracinated cucks, especially the women. If they were actually like Qin Shi Huang, they would be advocating all those homeless junkies to be rounded up and pressed into a forced labour gang and sent south to build a massive wall.

  62. A real country would send in brute squads to crack the skulls of immigrants who staged protests against…pretty much anything (except conditions in their motherlands).

    White people need to try to picture going to India or China or Saudi Arabia and then staging protests before they open their big fat stupid yaps about this kind of thing.

  63. @Tiny Duck
    I don't. Think you know what diverse within the context of historical white supremacy

    I'm sure if one really thinks about it there is PLENTY of room in Montana, Wyoming and North & South Dakota to pitch their tents and such...........Why they could even dig latrines, get someone to deliver the welfare checks. and might even elect their own mayor and city councils............the possibilities are endless....the alternative is for ALL homeless advocates to take into their homes at least THREE homeless persons or maybe ONE family to feed, clothe and house ..........how simple is this ???

    That’s actually not too bad of an idea-hey, a broken clock is right twice a day-but there are two major issues:

    1) Most of the homeless will not go willingly for reasons ranging from weather conditions to proximity to drug dealers, who in turn don’t want their clientele disappearing. Now, being a generally amoral conservative bastard in the real sense of the word (i.e, not post-1980s Conservatism Inc.), I have no issues with “persuading” them to go, or making them magically appear in the Dakotas one day, and applying carrot and stick measures to ensure the local employers hire the ones who can prove themselves in rehab. But I think a lot of Americans would have a problem with that. That it is for their own good is irrelevant. The Democrats will throw up a fuss because of some retarded, estrogen laden emotional argument about being mean or something.

    2) For them to be productive members of society, many of them need to be weaned off of drugs, get some job training, etc. That takes concerted effort, time, and money. So the Republicans will throw up a fuss since they don’t do the whole long term thinking thing anymore. Unless it is how to grease the next corporate tax cut for a bunch of billionaires that openly support their opponents, in which case, The Turtle of the Senate displays a sudden species of low-brow, animal like cunning-which is enough for the circus show that is our politics.

    Besides, what will happen when the cured homeless because Deplorables or Dark Fetish Objects and start demanding higher wages than the illegals, like their cohorts? True, The Dakotas and Montana are far enough from the border that employers there have a harder time (that, and I’ve also noticed that employers and people in general in those states are just… well, not as a-holish and uber-focused on optimizing short-term profits above everything), but Trump’s potential re-election caravan of semi-literate indios coming out of the most dystopian, backward states in the Western Hemisphere might change that if they don’t turn out to be what I just mentioned, and instead somehow get Trump to play Merkel. At this point, I’m done predicting what Trump will and will not do from one day to the next.

  64. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Is heroin a depressant taken by depressives and crack a stimulant taken by manics? Serious question.

    I don't know about heroin but alcohol seems to be taken by depressives to dull the psychic pain of depression. I wonder if cocaine users are extroverted/manic so a stimulant is their preferred high.

    Is heroin a depressant taken by depressives and crack a stimulant taken by manics? Serious question.

    Sure, its a workable stereotype.

    Stimulants cause both actual increased mental functioning(something few want to acknowledge) as well as mania so that their users have an even more inflated belief in their function; the resulting combination is not usually pleasant.

    Note that many drug users end up cross-use a variety of drugs(to them, it basically all serves a general notion of “mood-enhancing”), so ultimately its a bit moot.

    I’ve had personal experience with a few: its almost amazing what you can get – its how you get a father who feels that he can work all night to prove his superiority, while simultaneously abusing the company card to buy equipment to sell for cash, using company time to cheat on his wife, finding a way to make his wife “useful” to get more cash, install cameras to spy on his boss’ office, and reaching a pitch where he was conspiring to murder me because I was noticing what he was doing. Frankly, despite the essential evil he exhibited, there’s something almost breathtaking and fearlessness in the energy that he had. And mind you, he was a father with children! I can’t imagine risking going to jail with my kid out there…

    And yes, he was white. If you really wanted an HBD connection, he was also Italian and as he went insane, he became pretty obsessed with the mob-related history of his family.

    • Replies: @res


    Is heroin a depressant taken by depressives and crack a stimulant taken by manics? Serious question.
     
    Sure, its a workable stereotype.
     
    I'm not sure about this. Hans Eysenck had an interesting theory that introversion/extraversion is related to differences in cortical arousal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Eysenck#Model_of_personality
    Related to this is differing drug preferences. So introverts would tend to be overly stimulated at baseline and would seek alone time or take depressants to reduce stimulation. Conversely, extraverts would tend to be under stimulated at baseline and seek out people or take stimulants to increase stimulation.

    I find this plausible and counter to your stereotype. On the other hand, the euphoric response to some depressants and feeling of ability/power from some stimulants seem more in line with your stereotype. Perhaps there is a distinction between trying to induce a reasonable steady state and trying to induce a temporary but pleasant extreme?

    Stimulants cause both actual increased mental functioning(something few want to acknowledge) as well as mania so that their users have an even more inflated belief in their function; the resulting combination is not usually pleasant.
     
    Agreed.

    You have made a number of interesting comments in this thread, but one factor I think you are underemphasizing is the development of tolerance and the related addiction aspect. If it were possible to occasionally take heroin to take the edge off (or stimulants to increase performance temporarily) it would not be nearly as bad. Instead, one tends to be launched into a vicious cycle.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic

    And yes, he was white. If you really wanted an HBD connection, he was also Italian and as he went insane, he became pretty obsessed with the mob-related history of his family.
     
    I drive past lots of schizoid homeless on my commutes. Some may be organically mentally ill but I think it's mostly drug use. Their brains are broken beyond our ability to repair them.

    I wonder about this with our new experiment in marijuana legalization. It's probably better than opioids but I don't think long-term use or effects on marginal people has been studied in much depth.

  65. Is it really true that many or most of the white junkies in SoCal are from the Midwest?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    In Orange County they appear to be largely white.

    The drug treatment industry hauls them in and then kicks them out when their insurance runs out.

    , @res

    Is it really true that many or most of the white junkies in SoCal are from the Midwest?
     
    I have never seen a good analysis of that question and would be very interested in the answer (anyone?).

    It is probably worth doing some finer analysis related to the questions of how the balance of that population compares to the overall balance in California. CA has many people from other states.

    Some information about migration between states:
    https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/geographic-mobility/state-to-state-migration.html
    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/upshot/mapping-migration-in-the-united-states-since-1900.html (cool infographics breaking down migration by both state and region in 1900, 1950, and 2012)

    That last link also has interesting graphics per state of where residents were born from 1900-2012: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/upshot/where-people-in-each-state-were-born.html#California
    Steve wrote about this the next day: http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-big-squeeze-the-decline-of-americas-california-dream/
  66. @nebulafox
    Ditto. Can anybody here really blame them? I'd be happily marching right along with them. Homeless drug addicts are not welcome near my home, regardless of race. Period. Dot. Is that really so hard to understand?! Anybody who was alive in the 1980s, whatever happened to committing people with obvious mental issues to asylums? I know Reagan had something to do with that.

    The real root of the problems of this nation (apart from the spoiled crony-capitalists who can't bear the idea of facing natural market forces of supply and demand if it just might work against them for once) lie with the white upper-middle "clerisy" class. They never, ever have to deal with the consequences of the policies they advocate, whether it is Les Deplorables or The Wrong Kind of Minority getting hit. Focus homeless attention on them instead. Let their leafy suburbs get a little taste of invasion from homeless people, illegals, Section 8 dwellers, and the other dregs of society. The only thing the bien-pensants understand are consequences to their own soft lives, hard and swift.

    And as a general note, you don't even need to go to Asia to figure out how ridiculous the idea of combating racism by importing people from cultures far less PC than ares really is, on a tactical level, and what that says about the bien-pensant relationship with reality. About five minutes of interaction over some alcohol with a Chinese or Indian graduate student will show how absolutely shallow their imbibing of political correctness really is. (Or, for that matter, a Nigerian resident at an inner city hospital.) Having not been raised in such a milieu for most of their lives, they genuinely don't *get* it. They know the words, but not the music, and it shows with the slip-ups. If they ever talk about any of the PC platitudes in front of a perceived "baizuo", it is because they are told, verbatim, that this is how "civilized" bourgeois people think, and they don't want to screw up their relationship with people who control their job or doctorate over it.

    For the Chinese in particular, coming from arguably the most communal culture on the planet, they aren't going to question "normal" social views on their own. So they'll just mouth what they need to to keep the baizuo off their back while often privately holding views-or not so privately, if you know a little Mandarin and overhear conversations with other FOBs in the graduate student lounge or in a Sichuanese restaurant-that would make Pat Buchanan blush.

    So they’ll just mouth what they need to to keep the baizuo off their back while often privately holding views-or not so privately, if you know a little Mandarin and overhear conversations with other FOBs in the graduate student lounge or in a Sichuanese restaurant-that would make Pat Buchanan blush.

    Then why in the privacy of the voting booth do they still vote democrat?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Asians voted Republican until Obama. I would say its a combination of factors: general SWPL-fication, voting along with the normality of the elite, and successful acquisition of a few Chinese-Americans into their lobby by Democrats in the 2010s.

    As a general rule, Chinese are conservative but do not participate in politics at all. Heck, my father bitches at me for even talking about politics, as its considered as "highly dangerous" to have any opinion. Political activism beyond the municipal level is typically representative of a minority of the population.
    , @nebulafox
    Because the Republicans are dominated by crony capitalists who don't really work in the interests of anybody other than the donor class? (Sure, the Dems are too, but there's no denying the GOP takes it to a whole new level.) People vote on pocketbook issues first and foremost. Trump won not least because he openly mocked or ignored large parts of GOP dogma, and his popularity problems are not least related to him cozying up to Conservatism Inc. The quicker he ditches them and does the opposite of what they want, the more political hope he has.

    The Deplorables only vote GOP because they don't really have another choice, given how the other side openly loathes them and wants their demographic disappearance. Asians have no such pressure on them. That said, there are some signs that things are changing with Generation Z, at least among the males. It'd be a lot more effective with a political party a little less useless.

    Also, Asians did majority vote for the GOP until the 1990s-nobody would have dreamed in '92 after the LA riots that they'd switch by the end of the decade. Lot of reasons behind that change, including different immigration trends and Bill Clinton being a really good politician, but the biggest was that the GOP simply went off the reservation on many issues.

    , @Anonymous
    For a long time Republicans were associated with brain-dead evangelical Christianity. Striving people who want their daughter to be a neurosurgeon and ace the MCAT don't want her taught creationism in school.
  67. @Daniel Chieh
    I believe it's called "not having slums in your immediate neighborhood" whilst most Sailer commentators cannot see past their two minute hate or wonder why specifically a liberal rag is focusing on them (written by an Asian writer, Anh Do, focused on criticizing her co-ethnics).

    written by an Asian writer, Anh Do, focused on criticizing her co-ethnics

    Sounds Vietnamese. Something tells me she does not consider the Chinese her co-ethnics.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Perhaps, though I believe she's generally part of the liberal morass against any effort to maintain community standards. She very much focused on the Chinese even though as the article noted, the voices were hardly specific to Irvine:

    Her view was far from isolated. Officials and residents in Huntington Beach and Laguna Niguel expressed similar sentiments. U.S. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Costa Mesa) said he joined "the outrage that we are assuming responsibility for homeless people, taking care of their basic needs and elongating their agony."
     
    Note that the protestors did not necessarily oppose the construction of permanent sites: they simply opposed tent cities.


    Irvine Mayor Don Wagner and Orange County Supervisor Todd Spitzer announced Wednesday that they are partnering to push fast-track opportunities to build permanent housing for women and veterans in the city. This proposal stirred the curiosity of protesters, who said they would wait for more details to be released after officials do more research.
     
  68. @istevefan

    So they’ll just mouth what they need to to keep the baizuo off their back while often privately holding views-or not so privately, if you know a little Mandarin and overhear conversations with other FOBs in the graduate student lounge or in a Sichuanese restaurant-that would make Pat Buchanan blush.
     
    Then why in the privacy of the voting booth do they still vote democrat?

    Asians voted Republican until Obama. I would say its a combination of factors: general SWPL-fication, voting along with the normality of the elite, and successful acquisition of a few Chinese-Americans into their lobby by Democrats in the 2010s.

    As a general rule, Chinese are conservative but do not participate in politics at all. Heck, my father bitches at me for even talking about politics, as its considered as “highly dangerous” to have any opinion. Political activism beyond the municipal level is typically representative of a minority of the population.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Asians last voted Republican for Dole in '96.
    , @nebulafox
    There's this, too. Naturally, this tendency is most intense with mainlanders over a certain age, who remember a time where flapping your gums and not toeing the party line was liable to get you a struggle session at best. It's not as if our ruling elite is subtle about the line they want to broadcast to all those who want to be part of the professional class, of which you can pretty much include the majority of post-1970s Chinese immigrants.

    I've noticed that South Asians are a lot more comfortable with getting involved in politics. Different history? Sort of reminds me of the difference between the highly "anti-political" Germans (despite being second to none in terms of intellectual radicalism and many having fled the crushing of the '48 revolutions... but it was more aesthetics related than the Chinese, the memory of the Thirty Year's War not withstanding. "A political person is repulsive"...) and the extraordinarily political Irish, the two main immigrant ethnic groups of a different era.

    On Obama: him reliably siding with the conservative wing of the Democratic Party on most economic issues early in his term probably helped matters among the gentry class members. Though again, the GOP really screwed the pooch in 2012 with an election they could have won, much as the Dems did in 2004. Another factor might have been evangelical Christianity either declining with immigrants, or declining with the GOP.

  69. @Flip
    Why should freedom of speech and freedom of the press be allowed? Why should a government which is doing what it believes to be right allow itself to be criticized? It would not allow opposition by lethal weapons. Ideas are much more fatal things than guns. Why should any man be allowed to buy a printing press and disseminate pernicious opinions calculated to embarrass the government?

    LENIN: Speech in Moscow, 1920

    The Tsar would’ve done well to take Lenin’s advice.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I'm not an expert on Russian history, but I'm pretty sure he did. I don't think the net freedom* in Russia decreased after the revolution. As Lenin said: Freedom? Yes, but for whom?

    *perhaps "net freedom" is a pointless term; if freedom is inherently zero-sum (which I have a hunch it is), then it makes no sense to speak of net freedom

  70. @Daniel Chieh
    Asians voted Republican until Obama. I would say its a combination of factors: general SWPL-fication, voting along with the normality of the elite, and successful acquisition of a few Chinese-Americans into their lobby by Democrats in the 2010s.

    As a general rule, Chinese are conservative but do not participate in politics at all. Heck, my father bitches at me for even talking about politics, as its considered as "highly dangerous" to have any opinion. Political activism beyond the municipal level is typically representative of a minority of the population.

    Asians last voted Republican for Dole in ’96.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    I've always thought that Obama was the major watershed moment based on this article:

    http://prospect.org/article/how-asian-americans-became-democrats-0
  71. @istevefan

    So they’ll just mouth what they need to to keep the baizuo off their back while often privately holding views-or not so privately, if you know a little Mandarin and overhear conversations with other FOBs in the graduate student lounge or in a Sichuanese restaurant-that would make Pat Buchanan blush.
     
    Then why in the privacy of the voting booth do they still vote democrat?

    Because the Republicans are dominated by crony capitalists who don’t really work in the interests of anybody other than the donor class? (Sure, the Dems are too, but there’s no denying the GOP takes it to a whole new level.) People vote on pocketbook issues first and foremost. Trump won not least because he openly mocked or ignored large parts of GOP dogma, and his popularity problems are not least related to him cozying up to Conservatism Inc. The quicker he ditches them and does the opposite of what they want, the more political hope he has.

    The Deplorables only vote GOP because they don’t really have another choice, given how the other side openly loathes them and wants their demographic disappearance. Asians have no such pressure on them. That said, there are some signs that things are changing with Generation Z, at least among the males. It’d be a lot more effective with a political party a little less useless.

    Also, Asians did majority vote for the GOP until the 1990s-nobody would have dreamed in ’92 after the LA riots that they’d switch by the end of the decade. Lot of reasons behind that change, including different immigration trends and Bill Clinton being a really good politician, but the biggest was that the GOP simply went off the reservation on many issues.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    A bit of personal experience:

    I never really voted, participated in politics or even wanted to care. My personal beliefs were generally for freedom of speech, permissive gun laws(though I would prefer a Swiss model), and freedom of association(even if it meant that I get barred from suburbs or clubs). My father lived in the remenants of Jim Crow South, and it never really affected us that much, to be honest and most stories of it affecting us was basically humorous ones.

    So I avoided politics until homosexual marriage and World War T - both which seemed to be in quick succession to each other. The former, I thought was annoying but tried to ignore; the latter was anger-inducing and rapidly began to affect my life personally when I noticed the odious singular pronoun of they become required in my workplace. I could not longer avoid it.

    Neither party really seemed to care about what I cared about, but Trump seemed to be happy causing chaos so I voted for the first time for him. In retrospect, it was a hate vote of being pretty pissed at everything.

    , @istevefan

    Because the Republicans are dominated by crony capitalists who don’t really work in the interests of anybody other than the donor class? (Sure, the Dems are too, but there’s no denying the GOP takes it to a whole new level.) People vote on pocketbook issues first and foremost. Trump won not least because he openly mocked or ignored large parts of GOP dogma, and his popularity problems are not least related to him cozying up to Conservatism Inc. The quicker he ditches them and does the opposite of what they want, the more political hope he has.
     
    I would buy this argument when it comes to a working class people. The GOP really does favor the wealthy, business owners, investors and other beneficiaries of the global economy. But I don't associate Asians, at least the Chinese or Indians, with the working class.

    Asians are reported to have higher incomes than the average American. They have much higher levels of educational attainment and are more likely to have advanced degrees. Additionally these Asians have benefited greatly from the global, free trade-world that the GOP has pushed to the detriment of the white working class. The GOP's pushing of more trade with China over the past 3 decades has been a tremendous benefit to China. Surely the Chinese must realize that the economic miracle that China has witnessed owes a lot to the trade policies pushed by the GOP.

    If going by economics, Asians should vote GOP in numbers that rival blacks' support for the democrats. But they don't vote GOP. So that tells me they don't vote on economics. Something else is motivating them. What could that be?
  72. That reporter is an idiot.

  73. what they see as the ills of homeless camps

    I loathe the “what they see” formulation. As if it was inexplicable not to want a crowd of stinking drug addicts occupying your town.

  74. @Steve Sailer
    The funniest story in Miles Davis's autobiography is when he shows up in NYC at age 18 as an affluent young jazz musician with a nice apartment paid for by his dentist daddy. And right away, the great Charlie Parker asks him if he can move in with him until his old lady is cool again. Wow, thinks young Miles. Charlie Parker!

    Then one day he comes home and looks to change his clothes. But all his new suits are gone. Charlie sold them for heroin. Then he comes home and Charlie is sitting on the floor because he sold his couch.

    So Miles thought, “Hmm, I need to try this heroin thing.”

    • Replies: @Barnard
    Based on this quote, it sounds like that is what he decided. This must be an mental flaw with artistic types. They can see firsthand how destructive drug use is for other people close to them, but still start doing drugs because they think it enhances their art.

    The reason Miles used heroin was because he believed it made him play better. His example for this was Parker who Miles said "played his ass off after he got high" The idea became common in jazz circles that if you took heroin you might be able to play like Bird and become as famous and as hip as he was.
     
  75. @snorlax

    written by an Asian writer, Anh Do, focused on criticizing her co-ethnics
     
    Sounds Vietnamese. Something tells me she does not consider the Chinese her co-ethnics.

    Perhaps, though I believe she’s generally part of the liberal morass against any effort to maintain community standards. She very much focused on the Chinese even though as the article noted, the voices were hardly specific to Irvine:

    Her view was far from isolated. Officials and residents in Huntington Beach and Laguna Niguel expressed similar sentiments. U.S. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Costa Mesa) said he joined “the outrage that we are assuming responsibility for homeless people, taking care of their basic needs and elongating their agony.”

    Note that the protestors did not necessarily oppose the construction of permanent sites: they simply opposed tent cities.

    Irvine Mayor Don Wagner and Orange County Supervisor Todd Spitzer announced Wednesday that they are partnering to push fast-track opportunities to build permanent housing for women and veterans in the city. This proposal stirred the curiosity of protesters, who said they would wait for more details to be released after officials do more research.

  76. @snorlax
    The Tsar would've done well to take Lenin's advice.

    I’m not an expert on Russian history, but I’m pretty sure he did. I don’t think the net freedom* in Russia decreased after the revolution. As Lenin said: Freedom? Yes, but for whom?

    *perhaps “net freedom” is a pointless term; if freedom is inherently zero-sum (which I have a hunch it is), then it makes no sense to speak of net freedom

  77. @snorlax
    Asians last voted Republican for Dole in '96.

    I’ve always thought that Obama was the major watershed moment based on this article:

    http://prospect.org/article/how-asian-americans-became-democrats-0

    • Replies: @snorlax
    https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/

    '92 - 1% of voters - 31 Clinton 55 Bush 15 Perot
    '96 - 1% of voters - 44 Clinton 48 Dole 8 Perot
    '00 - 2% of voters - 55 Gore 41 Bush 2 Nader 1 Buchanan
    '04 - 2% of voters - 56 Kerry 43 Bush
    '08 - 2% of voters - 62 Obama 35 McCain
    '12 - 3% of voters - 73 Obama 26 Romney
    '16 - 4% of voters - 65 Clinton 27 Trump 8 other
  78. Ditto. Can anybody here really blame them? I’d be happily marching right along with them.

    I’m guessing you aren’t white. That, or you’re in denial. The number of American-Americans who would immigrate to a non-White country and form a mass protest by American-Americans of the native (anything here) is vanishingly small. American-Americans just aren’t wired for that kind of sleazy, self-serving gall.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I’m guessing you aren’t white. That, or you’re in denial. The number of American-Americans who would immigrate to a non-White country and form a mass protest by American-Americans of the native (anything here) is vanishingly small. American-Americans just aren’t wired for that kind of sleazy, self-serving gall.

    This. I would be wondering about when I would be jailed, repatriated or simply put up against a wall, and I think deservingly so. It is a highly ungrateful thing to do.

    Remember when the rightists or white separatists would make exceptions for Asians? As in, well, we could share territory with Asians but exclude the NAMs? (do they still do this?)

    And I think... on what? On the basis of... the ability to cook a mean yum-cha? The politeness shown in a one on one or group meeting?
    , @Frank the Prof
    So can we set up a huge homeless shelter next to your neighborhood? If we do should you remain silent. So you've figured out only White people should say something? White people in Hong Kong seem to speak up. I'm glad they do:

    http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/2108829/it-now-time-whites-hong-kong-be-considered-ethnic-minority

    Seems like your attacks are ad hominem and don't address the problem. Huntington Beach (77% White) seems on board with Irvine:

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-hb-homeless-20180321-story.html

    As for White people living in a Asian country check out the ADVChina channel on youtube. These guys don't pull punches and they have valid criticisms. The gall of those guys.

    I say address the issue as stated by Steve Sailer in the comments section, this seems to be a insurance abuse problem in SoCal .
  79. @Tiny Duck
    I don't. Think you know what diverse within the context of historical white supremacy

    I'm sure if one really thinks about it there is PLENTY of room in Montana, Wyoming and North & South Dakota to pitch their tents and such...........Why they could even dig latrines, get someone to deliver the welfare checks. and might even elect their own mayor and city councils............the possibilities are endless....the alternative is for ALL homeless advocates to take into their homes at least THREE homeless persons or maybe ONE family to feed, clothe and house ..........how simple is this ???

    I am sure that you would agree with me that, if not for systematic white supremacy giving the white male cave beasts all the unfair advantages in the world, white men would be at the very bottom of the civilizational totem pole and PoC would be situated at the top almost without exception. White success is completely abnormal, a horrible inhuman aberration brought about purely by institutional racism — and in a just and truly anti-racist world, the true racial hierarchy would commence and whites without the assistance provided by racist systems would reside at the very bottom of society as is deemed fit by nature itself, given their innate and unvarying white stupidity and white laziness. If you disagree with this impeccable anti-racist logic, then you are playing into the hands of whiteness and white supremacy.

  80. bjdubbs says:
    April 3, 2018 at 8:29 am GMT

    Not surprisingly, Irvine resident Kevin Drum says he would absolutely, 100% support a homeless shelter in Irvine except, shucks, his neighbors won’t allow it. What can you do?

    Mr. Dubbs understands the value of the token Jews who apply the same standards to Israel that they do to Whites.

    That’s some next level ‘It’s impossible that anyone could be against Israeli actions it can only be irrational Jew-hating!’.

    Jews: “people who criticize Zionists are ANTI-SEMITES!!”
    Also Jews: “It’s wrong to criticize Jews. Use ‘Zionists’ instead.”

    The mural thing was also pretty mental, but being accused of anti-semitism for attending a Jewish cultural event hosted by an explicitly Jewish organisation takes the cake.

    It’s great how far so many Jews’ wigs have come off. The more obvious the “damned if we do, damned if we don’t,” the better.

    Is heroin a depressant taken by depressives and crack a stimulant taken by manics? Serious question.

    I dunno, but both form a cocktail taken by formerly living people.

  81. @Daniel Chieh
    Asians voted Republican until Obama. I would say its a combination of factors: general SWPL-fication, voting along with the normality of the elite, and successful acquisition of a few Chinese-Americans into their lobby by Democrats in the 2010s.

    As a general rule, Chinese are conservative but do not participate in politics at all. Heck, my father bitches at me for even talking about politics, as its considered as "highly dangerous" to have any opinion. Political activism beyond the municipal level is typically representative of a minority of the population.

    There’s this, too. Naturally, this tendency is most intense with mainlanders over a certain age, who remember a time where flapping your gums and not toeing the party line was liable to get you a struggle session at best. It’s not as if our ruling elite is subtle about the line they want to broadcast to all those who want to be part of the professional class, of which you can pretty much include the majority of post-1970s Chinese immigrants.

    I’ve noticed that South Asians are a lot more comfortable with getting involved in politics. Different history? Sort of reminds me of the difference between the highly “anti-political” Germans (despite being second to none in terms of intellectual radicalism and many having fled the crushing of the ’48 revolutions… but it was more aesthetics related than the Chinese, the memory of the Thirty Year’s War not withstanding. “A political person is repulsive”…) and the extraordinarily political Irish, the two main immigrant ethnic groups of a different era.

    On Obama: him reliably siding with the conservative wing of the Democratic Party on most economic issues early in his term probably helped matters among the gentry class members. Though again, the GOP really screwed the pooch in 2012 with an election they could have won, much as the Dems did in 2004. Another factor might have been evangelical Christianity either declining with immigrants, or declining with the GOP.

    • Replies: @SOL
    Chinese tend to have personalities that make them suitable for being breadwinners but they are not very charismatic or adventurous. Those who become lawyers though have the personalities to become politicians; I can't think of many Chinese[-"American"] politicians who weren't lawyers first.

    I suspect the same is true of South Asians, but South Asians know they are able to game the system and so are trying to use it to their advantage. Chinese are focused more on education and career goals.
  82. @Samuel Skinner
    I think Nrx and Moldbug are going to win by default. The pure anti-semitic position is occupied by the Daily Stormer and their recent article shows why it is hollow- it requires ignoring everything that occurred in the country prior to 1881. This is a bit of an issue; it is easy enough to point out Jewish over-representation in the Civil Rights movement, but a little bit harder to explain the fact that a good part of the campaign was about getting the 14th and 15th amendments enforced.

    Let’s say you have a daughter who is self-destructive. She’s often doing things, out of delusions, that are detrimental to her long term interests.

    Then she starts dating a guy who enables her worst tendencies. You really start to fear that she is going to end up causing her own death soon, through suicide, unintentional overdose, etc.

    You discover texts on her phone from her boyfriend:

    “yeah I got some really great [heroin]; I’ll bring it over later we can do it”

    “Yeah I know the world sucks. Might as well live fast and die young”

    “Your family doesn’t care about you. They just want to control you and mold you into their little perfect family ideal.”

    Etc.

    What do you do? What is your most urgent priority?

    Yes, keeping your daughter from this boy will be difficult. No, it won’t solve everything. Yes, she was already a mess before she met him.

    But your top priority is going to be to keep them apart.

  83. @Daniel Chieh
    I believe it's called "not having slums in your immediate neighborhood" whilst most Sailer commentators cannot see past their two minute hate or wonder why specifically a liberal rag is focusing on them (written by an Asian writer, Anh Do, focused on criticizing her co-ethnics).

    What comments were you reading? Two minute hate?

    “most Sailer commentators” is what you wrote. Is that Newspeak for 2.5?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    If I seem to overreact, its because hard drugs and their peddlers are one of the few(perhaps only?) thing that really send me off a cliff. Its one thing to have been personally harmed or threatened, but when one has lost loved ones or been had loved ones harmed by such individuals, I am not even sure if rationality is the appropriate response.
  84. @unit472
    Heroin addicts are no bargain. They steal and burglarize.

    “Heroin addicts are no bargain. They steal and burglarize.”

    They also drive while high and nod out while smoking cigarettes. And spread Hepatitis C, among other diseases.

  85. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @tyrone
    now tiny that's just mean,don't you want to buy the world a coke,every body gets one ….right?

    I’m sure Teeny Tiny, with that big heart of his, wants to buy the world a home and furnish it with luuuv … and a Coke.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    Who's "privilege" to pay ……oh we already know…china come lately has to put up with a few bums,well that's who we are.I wonder if tiny every helped anybody that didn't look like him or have a white womb?
  86. Anonymous[612] • Disclaimer says:

    Hee hee.

    This blog rightly skewers upper middle class blacks like Eric Holder and Tennessee Coates who side with the thuggish elements among their co-ethnics rather than the decent people who are trying to preserve their own neighborhoods.

    And my god, the notion that those terrible liberal Jews side with their co-ethnics in Israel rather than Hamas Arabs as they for some reason should has reached mythical proportions around here.

    So now right here we have a perfect chance for isteve and the readership to demonstrate some righteous intellectual consistency! We have Asian middle and professional class people trying to preserve their neighborhood in the face of white meth head Juggalos, trustafarians, burnouts, and other assorted undesirables. The perfect chance for the isteve and the readers to demonstrate intellectual consistency by choosing class solidarity over racial. Buehler? Buehler?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    As you can see from the comments most people are sympathetic to the homeowners and see this as a sensible reaction by a middle class community against a neighborhood menace. What's eye-catching here is that Mr. Citizenism doesn't come off looking principled instead taking the SJW route of employing a super sensitive racism detector in finding microaggression by the Irvine Chinese in doing what is common sense. The same kind of BS Sailer is exceptionally good at critiquing.
    , @Anonym
    There is nothing intellectually inconsistent about wanting white countries for white people. White proles are then our problem, but that's ok.
  87. @nebulafox
    Because the Republicans are dominated by crony capitalists who don't really work in the interests of anybody other than the donor class? (Sure, the Dems are too, but there's no denying the GOP takes it to a whole new level.) People vote on pocketbook issues first and foremost. Trump won not least because he openly mocked or ignored large parts of GOP dogma, and his popularity problems are not least related to him cozying up to Conservatism Inc. The quicker he ditches them and does the opposite of what they want, the more political hope he has.

    The Deplorables only vote GOP because they don't really have another choice, given how the other side openly loathes them and wants their demographic disappearance. Asians have no such pressure on them. That said, there are some signs that things are changing with Generation Z, at least among the males. It'd be a lot more effective with a political party a little less useless.

    Also, Asians did majority vote for the GOP until the 1990s-nobody would have dreamed in '92 after the LA riots that they'd switch by the end of the decade. Lot of reasons behind that change, including different immigration trends and Bill Clinton being a really good politician, but the biggest was that the GOP simply went off the reservation on many issues.

    A bit of personal experience:

    I never really voted, participated in politics or even wanted to care. My personal beliefs were generally for freedom of speech, permissive gun laws(though I would prefer a Swiss model), and freedom of association(even if it meant that I get barred from suburbs or clubs). My father lived in the remenants of Jim Crow South, and it never really affected us that much, to be honest and most stories of it affecting us was basically humorous ones.

    So I avoided politics until homosexual marriage and World War T – both which seemed to be in quick succession to each other. The former, I thought was annoying but tried to ignore; the latter was anger-inducing and rapidly began to affect my life personally when I noticed the odious singular pronoun of they become required in my workplace. I could not longer avoid it.

    Neither party really seemed to care about what I cared about, but Trump seemed to be happy causing chaos so I voted for the first time for him. In retrospect, it was a hate vote of being pretty pissed at everything.

  88. Anonymous[612] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    So they’ll just mouth what they need to to keep the baizuo off their back while often privately holding views-or not so privately, if you know a little Mandarin and overhear conversations with other FOBs in the graduate student lounge or in a Sichuanese restaurant-that would make Pat Buchanan blush.
     
    Then why in the privacy of the voting booth do they still vote democrat?

    For a long time Republicans were associated with brain-dead evangelical Christianity. Striving people who want their daughter to be a neurosurgeon and ace the MCAT don’t want her taught creationism in school.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    For a long time Republicans were associated with brain-dead evangelical Christianity. Striving people who want their daughter to be a neurosurgeon and ace the MCAT don’t want her taught creationism in school.
     
    First, does it really matter whether you study Darwin in school? For most majors you don't even need to know who Darwin was. So I don't understand Asians balking at the GOP because of this issue.

    Second, if Asians are so consumed with education and getting into the right schools, then what would (or should) be the bigger issue to them; a class in creationism that their precious kid might have to take, or their kid getting rejected by some university in favor of some NAM? It seems to be a no brainer that Asians detest AA and how it curtails their slots at good universities. If Asians are so smart as to equate the GOP with "brain-dead evangelical Christianity", why can't they equate the democrats as the "black party" with never-ending affirmative action at their expense?

    No, it seems the Asians have some other reasons for voting democrat.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Yeah, instead it is so much better to be associated with a party that things a dude with a penis can put a dress on and be a woman. That biology is a social construct.

    Got it.
  89. Teacher’s strikes. Mass homelessness. Mass immigration provoked by foreign wars. Seems like the late 60s through the late 80s post Vietnam war collapse. Trump even seems Nixonian looking for some kind of less obvious form of losing to conclude the wars with.

    The war in Vietnam was a lost cause when Albert Shanker declared a teacher’s strike. It is the point when the ascendant Jewish elite lost patience with the now decadent WASP/White leadership and declared a labor action during war time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_teachers’_strike_of_1968

    Nixon fires back with wage and price controls in 1971 and a tariff. By 1974 Nixon was being impeached.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_shock

    The Battle of Frankfort KY is more significant than it seems. Kentucky, like much of the US, is broke so I think the teachers will not win this.

  90. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    http://theweek.com/articles/764631/labor-shortages-are-good

    From oil drillers in West Texas to restaurants in New England, companies are telling reporters they can’t find enough people to fill job openings. We’re told this will result in unfilled orders, untapped markets, and ultimately slower economic growth.

    Allow me to offer an entirely different take: Labor shortages are actually good.

    Hell has temporarily frozen over in Liberaland

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
  91. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    Are they heroin addicts so much anymore? Part of the reason for the increase in numbers is that these places (At least in California) have become more Hoovervilles than traditional homeless encampments.

    And contra the fears, heroin addicts are less dangerous than the average person. (Think about what heroin does to you and what kind of person does heroin in the first place) It's crack-heads you want to be scared about.

    That’s true, although the withdrawals can be so bad that it can induce normally easygoing and non criminal, non violent people to do some extreme things.

  92. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    Is heroin a depressant taken by depressives and crack a stimulant taken by manics? Serious question.

    I don't know about heroin but alcohol seems to be taken by depressives to dull the psychic pain of depression. I wonder if cocaine users are extroverted/manic so a stimulant is their preferred high.

  93. @Bragadocious
    Is it really true that many or most of the white junkies in SoCal are from the Midwest?

    In Orange County they appear to be largely white.

    The drug treatment industry hauls them in and then kicks them out when their insurance runs out.

  94. @Anon
    As much as it pains me personally to say this because i am talking about immediate family and close friends here...once they go down the H road, they're gone forever. The things that used to motivate them no longer will and they will cease to be the person that you knew before. It repaves their neural reward pathways so to speak. Maybe down the line some people get clean and dedicate themselves and can become a person worthy of your trust but i have never seen a dope fiend or former junkie reform themselves. Real talk from the streets of Kensington, where the zombies rule the night!

    There’s always a small chance and well, there’s methadone. I’ve seen people become fairly functional with it again, though I didn’t associate with them long enough to know what was their ultimate fate.

    Good luck, sorry about the ones you know.

  95. To be fair I wouldn’t want a homeless shelter of addicts of any race near where I live, but would these Chinese have opposed a homeless shelter for Asian refugees and asylum seekers? I say not likely and they probably would have welcomed them.

    With the Chinese and other non-whites compassion is reserved only for members of the in group. Compassion for other races is totally foreign to them. This doesn’t bode well for whites when we become a minority with little political power. It also bodes very ill for the the perpetual victims and drama queens like the black race.

    Another point is these homeless whites probably have ancestors who’ve been in America for many generations while the Chinese of Irvine probably haven’t been here more than two. So the white homeless have more right to Irvine, CA than the Chinese based on the “who was here first and longest rule” that leftists like to use against whites.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    To be fair I wouldn’t want a homeless shelter of addicts of any race near where I live, but would these Chinese have opposed a homeless shelter for Asian refugees and asylum seekers? I say not likely and they probably would have welcomed them.
     
    A tent city? No.

    You overestimate Chinese tribalism, which is vanishingly small. This is something the Chinese mourn, but of course never changes because its deeply rooted(why do you think that HK dislike mainlanders, dislike Taiwanese, etc). There are equivalents of "old boy networks" but general ethnic unity is a pipe dream.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Exactly.
    , @songbird
    It would be an interesting alternative history, if the Chinese had discovered America. I suppose they would not have used black slaves, but Asian ones. But if they had used blacks? No doubt, a much different outcome.
    , @Clyde

    Another point is these homeless whites probably have ancestors who’ve been in America for many generations while the Chinese of Irvine probably haven’t been here more than two. So the white homeless have more right to Irvine, CA than the Chinese based on the “who was here first and longest rule” that leftists like to use against whites.
     
    Plus these addict's ancestors built America and fought and died in our wars. What have these just_parachuted_in_here Irvine Chinese done except provide dental services and open a few new Xiao Long Bao joints?
  96. @Anonymous
    Steve and a lot of commentators are oblivious to what a teachable moment this is.

    A common complaint found here towards middle class black people like Michelle Obama is that they take up "anti-anti" positions against good public order (for example, Michelle urging Obama throughout the White House years to support black suspects killed by policemen).

    Like the "anti-anti" Michelle, Steve and commentators here are not endorsing this flow of drug addicts and the dangerous camps they create, but they are opposing the efforts of a local community, who are of a different race, to get rid of the junkies. It comes down to tribal notions of race. The same racial tribalism that animates people like Michelle to indirectly support black criminality motivates Steve to indirectly side with white delinquents.

    That doesn't make what Michelle does right, but it gives right wing whites empathy for how the black middle class feels.

    Steve is merely pointing out that diversity does not equal more compassion. A handful of his commenters are then getting all tribal.

  97. @Buzz Mohawk
    Humanity can look forward to the kindness, generosity and altruistic attitude of the Han Chinese in the interesting times ahead...

    Yeah I don’t think your average colored folks are gonna especially like their new Chinese overlords.

    Nor do I think the average Jew in Europe is feeling all too comfortable around their new muslim neighbors and their ever increasing numbers especially in contrast to the liberal Jews decreasing numbers.

  98. A harbinger of things to come. The future, a Chinese immigrant ruling class stomping on a white american drug addict’s face…forever.

  99. res says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Is heroin a depressant taken by depressives and crack a stimulant taken by manics? Serious question.

     

    Sure, its a workable stereotype.

    Stimulants cause both actual increased mental functioning(something few want to acknowledge) as well as mania so that their users have an even more inflated belief in their function; the resulting combination is not usually pleasant.

    Note that many drug users end up cross-use a variety of drugs(to them, it basically all serves a general notion of "mood-enhancing"), so ultimately its a bit moot.

    I've had personal experience with a few: its almost amazing what you can get - its how you get a father who feels that he can work all night to prove his superiority, while simultaneously abusing the company card to buy equipment to sell for cash, using company time to cheat on his wife, finding a way to make his wife "useful" to get more cash, install cameras to spy on his boss' office, and reaching a pitch where he was conspiring to murder me because I was noticing what he was doing. Frankly, despite the essential evil he exhibited, there's something almost breathtaking and fearlessness in the energy that he had. And mind you, he was a father with children! I can't imagine risking going to jail with my kid out there...

    And yes, he was white. If you really wanted an HBD connection, he was also Italian and as he went insane, he became pretty obsessed with the mob-related history of his family.

    Is heroin a depressant taken by depressives and crack a stimulant taken by manics? Serious question.

    Sure, its a workable stereotype.

    I’m not sure about this. Hans Eysenck had an interesting theory that introversion/extraversion is related to differences in cortical arousal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Eysenck#Model_of_personality
    Related to this is differing drug preferences. So introverts would tend to be overly stimulated at baseline and would seek alone time or take depressants to reduce stimulation. Conversely, extraverts would tend to be under stimulated at baseline and seek out people or take stimulants to increase stimulation.

    I find this plausible and counter to your stereotype. On the other hand, the euphoric response to some depressants and feeling of ability/power from some stimulants seem more in line with your stereotype. Perhaps there is a distinction between trying to induce a reasonable steady state and trying to induce a temporary but pleasant extreme?

    Stimulants cause both actual increased mental functioning(something few want to acknowledge) as well as mania so that their users have an even more inflated belief in their function; the resulting combination is not usually pleasant.

    Agreed.

    You have made a number of interesting comments in this thread, but one factor I think you are underemphasizing is the development of tolerance and the related addiction aspect. If it were possible to occasionally take heroin to take the edge off (or stimulants to increase performance temporarily) it would not be nearly as bad. Instead, one tends to be launched into a vicious cycle.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Off the top of my head, I'll say that tolerance would have much to do with decreasing sensitivity of dopamine receptors being fired(in drugs that interact with that mechanism) and downregulation of related neurotransmitters(plus actual burnout from acetylcholine exhaustion, etc). That would spur overall ahedonia and thus an increasing desire to replicate the original high with other drugs which the user has been less sensitized to(or by increasing the consumed amount of the original drug). Replicating the original effect with stimulants is more than replicating the high: its also to replicate the actual performance on the initial intake with stimulant.

    I do think that its possible for some to be functional on stimulants; probably less so for euphorics such as heroin but I'm not ruling out the possibility. Either way, though, it definitely becomes the "blunt instrument" that has a significant effect on personality and behavior, even after its source has been removed.
  100. @Anonymous
    For a long time Republicans were associated with brain-dead evangelical Christianity. Striving people who want their daughter to be a neurosurgeon and ace the MCAT don't want her taught creationism in school.

    For a long time Republicans were associated with brain-dead evangelical Christianity. Striving people who want their daughter to be a neurosurgeon and ace the MCAT don’t want her taught creationism in school.

    First, does it really matter whether you study Darwin in school? For most majors you don’t even need to know who Darwin was. So I don’t understand Asians balking at the GOP because of this issue.

    Second, if Asians are so consumed with education and getting into the right schools, then what would (or should) be the bigger issue to them; a class in creationism that their precious kid might have to take, or their kid getting rejected by some university in favor of some NAM? It seems to be a no brainer that Asians detest AA and how it curtails their slots at good universities. If Asians are so smart as to equate the GOP with “brain-dead evangelical Christianity”, why can’t they equate the democrats as the “black party” with never-ending affirmative action at their expense?

    No, it seems the Asians have some other reasons for voting democrat.

    • Replies: @Flip
    I had a Japanese-American co-worker who said that he thought that Asians thought that Democrats would protect minorities better.
    , @Anonymous
    The positions of the two parties, and perceptions of those positions, are not fixed but can change over time. In the Mondale/Dukakis/Jackson era Democrats were seen as the soft on crime party and Asians - who in those days were much more concentrated in inner cities - supported Republicans. Then in the Clinton era through Obama's first election the Democrats pivoted to ending welfare as we know it and putting more cops on the street. Hillary Clinton even called young gangstas "superpredators." Meanwhile Republicans went all in on creationism and Christianity. In that era Asians switched to being more Democrats. In our own time Democrats have once again become soft on crime and Trump is certainly post-Christian when boning pornstars so we'll see what the fallout is.

    Anyway, I suppose you were fishing for the answer that Asians are voting Democratic because they hate white people? Well maybe so, but as with another group that supposedly hates white people they have a strange way of showing it, what with giving their kids names like Madison and Brian, moving to suburbs, and even getting cosmetic surgery to reshape their eyes.

    , @Christopher Renner

    does it really matter whether you study Darwin in school
     
    From the standpoint of familiarity with subject matter that you'll use professionally, it doesn't matter any more for a would-be doctor to study Darwin than for a would-be CPA to study trigonometry and calculus. (Accounting math is, basically, hundreds of simultaneous arithmetic problems.)

    Darwin is useful for signaling to your peers that you're the sort of person who takes science seriously.
  101. @hwh
    Wow. You know less than nothing about drugs. Including, somehow, alcohol.

    Depressant doesn't mean what you apparently think it means. It "depresses" certain functions, like inhibitions por ejemplo.

    Depressed people don't do start doing drugs of any kind unless they are already addicted to them.

    I mean, for the love of God how does anyone have such a retrograde view of... alcohol??

    P.S. I don't know what psychic pain is but if you do, may I recommend visiting a psychiatrist to fix that malware for you? Drugs are good m'kay?

    Depressed people don’t do start doing drugs of any kind unless they are already addicted to them.

    “It don’t not the drugs unless they are been starting already to do. … Drugs!”

    I mean, for the love of God how does anyone have such a retrograde view of… alcohol??

    There’s no way to meet the monthly bills
    Folks are getting laid off at the mill
    If your girl is cheatin once again
    Just remember you still got a friend

    CHORUS:

    YOU CAN COUNT ON BEER
    EVERYDAY OF EVERY YEAR
    YOU CAN TELL ALL OF YOUR TROUBLES
    TO THOSE BRIGHT GOLDEN BUBBLES
    YOU CAN COUNT ON BEER
    WHEN THE WORLD IS INSINCERE
    BRING A ROUND SING A CHEER
    YOU CAN COUNT ON BEER

    You can smash the fog lamps on your truck
    To hustle pool you need some lady luck
    When you’re feelin lower than a hound
    There’s one thing that never lets you down

    CHORUS

    Politicians only tell you lies
    And all you see are prices on the rise
    Bosses say that there’ll be better days
    Somehow you ain’t never seen no raise

    CHORUS

    “Hide my head I wanna drown my sorrows, no tomorrow, no tomorrow”
    — Tears for Fears/Gary Jules, “Mad World’

    Full bottle in front of me,
    Time to roll up my sleeves and get to work
    And after many glasses of work
    I get paid in the brain
    —They Might Be Giants, “Your Own Worst Enemy”

    Don: (at shot glass) Can you drown a woman in this?
    Mike the bartender: How tall is she?
    —Easter Parade (1948)

    “Why are you drinking?” demanded the little prince. “So that I may forget,” replied the tippler. “Forget what?” inquired the little prince, who already was sorry for him. “Forget that I am ashamed,” the tippler confessed, hanging his head. “Ashamed of what?” insisted the little prince, who wanted to help him. “Ashamed of drinking!” The tipler brought his speech to an end, and shut himself up in an impregnable silence.
    —The Little Prince

    “Let beer be for those who are perishing, wine for those who are in anguish! Let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more.”
    —Proverbs, 31:6-7

    “Went off to school and learned to serve the state”
    “Followed the rules and drank his vodka straight”
    “The only way to live was drown the hate”
    “A Russian life was very sad, And such was life in Leningrad”
    — Leningrad, Billy Joel

    “Now everybody’s died, so until our tears are cried,”
    “we’ll drink and drink and drink and drink and then we’ll drink some more.”
    “We’ll dance and sing and fight until the early mornin’ light,”
    “then we’ll throw up, pass out, wake up and then go drinkin’ once again.”
    — Another Irish Drinking Song (everybody’s died)

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Refutation in lyrical form. Quite nice.
  102. @KenH
    To be fair I wouldn't want a homeless shelter of addicts of any race near where I live, but would these Chinese have opposed a homeless shelter for Asian refugees and asylum seekers? I say not likely and they probably would have welcomed them.

    With the Chinese and other non-whites compassion is reserved only for members of the in group. Compassion for other races is totally foreign to them. This doesn't bode well for whites when we become a minority with little political power. It also bodes very ill for the the perpetual victims and drama queens like the black race.

    Another point is these homeless whites probably have ancestors who've been in America for many generations while the Chinese of Irvine probably haven't been here more than two. So the white homeless have more right to Irvine, CA than the Chinese based on the "who was here first and longest rule" that leftists like to use against whites.

    To be fair I wouldn’t want a homeless shelter of addicts of any race near where I live, but would these Chinese have opposed a homeless shelter for Asian refugees and asylum seekers? I say not likely and they probably would have welcomed them.

    A tent city? No.

    You overestimate Chinese tribalism, which is vanishingly small. This is something the Chinese mourn, but of course never changes because its deeply rooted(why do you think that HK dislike mainlanders, dislike Taiwanese, etc). There are equivalents of “old boy networks” but general ethnic unity is a pipe dream.

    • Replies: @songbird
    I wouldn't say Chinese tribalism is small. Compared to Jews, blacks, or Subcons perhaps. But certainly not compared to NW Europeans in general. Admittedly, a low bar.

    Chinese actually formed a separatist ethnically-based country Singapore. Yes, there is a degree of multiculturalism there, but that's just pragmatism, if they had exiled all non-Chinese, they would have faced sanctions and probably been destroyed militarily.

    Whites had ample opportunity to do the same on the Western Cape. They had a powerful military. They where still doing business with countries like Japan. They did not though because they weren't as united as the Chinese had been.
  103. @Anonymous
    For a long time Republicans were associated with brain-dead evangelical Christianity. Striving people who want their daughter to be a neurosurgeon and ace the MCAT don't want her taught creationism in school.

    Yeah, instead it is so much better to be associated with a party that things a dude with a penis can put a dress on and be a woman. That biology is a social construct.

    Got it.

  104. @KenH
    To be fair I wouldn't want a homeless shelter of addicts of any race near where I live, but would these Chinese have opposed a homeless shelter for Asian refugees and asylum seekers? I say not likely and they probably would have welcomed them.

    With the Chinese and other non-whites compassion is reserved only for members of the in group. Compassion for other races is totally foreign to them. This doesn't bode well for whites when we become a minority with little political power. It also bodes very ill for the the perpetual victims and drama queens like the black race.

    Another point is these homeless whites probably have ancestors who've been in America for many generations while the Chinese of Irvine probably haven't been here more than two. So the white homeless have more right to Irvine, CA than the Chinese based on the "who was here first and longest rule" that leftists like to use against whites.

    Exactly.

  105. @nebulafox
    Because the Republicans are dominated by crony capitalists who don't really work in the interests of anybody other than the donor class? (Sure, the Dems are too, but there's no denying the GOP takes it to a whole new level.) People vote on pocketbook issues first and foremost. Trump won not least because he openly mocked or ignored large parts of GOP dogma, and his popularity problems are not least related to him cozying up to Conservatism Inc. The quicker he ditches them and does the opposite of what they want, the more political hope he has.

    The Deplorables only vote GOP because they don't really have another choice, given how the other side openly loathes them and wants their demographic disappearance. Asians have no such pressure on them. That said, there are some signs that things are changing with Generation Z, at least among the males. It'd be a lot more effective with a political party a little less useless.

    Also, Asians did majority vote for the GOP until the 1990s-nobody would have dreamed in '92 after the LA riots that they'd switch by the end of the decade. Lot of reasons behind that change, including different immigration trends and Bill Clinton being a really good politician, but the biggest was that the GOP simply went off the reservation on many issues.

    Because the Republicans are dominated by crony capitalists who don’t really work in the interests of anybody other than the donor class? (Sure, the Dems are too, but there’s no denying the GOP takes it to a whole new level.) People vote on pocketbook issues first and foremost. Trump won not least because he openly mocked or ignored large parts of GOP dogma, and his popularity problems are not least related to him cozying up to Conservatism Inc. The quicker he ditches them and does the opposite of what they want, the more political hope he has.

    I would buy this argument when it comes to a working class people. The GOP really does favor the wealthy, business owners, investors and other beneficiaries of the global economy. But I don’t associate Asians, at least the Chinese or Indians, with the working class.

    Asians are reported to have higher incomes than the average American. They have much higher levels of educational attainment and are more likely to have advanced degrees. Additionally these Asians have benefited greatly from the global, free trade-world that the GOP has pushed to the detriment of the white working class. The GOP’s pushing of more trade with China over the past 3 decades has been a tremendous benefit to China. Surely the Chinese must realize that the economic miracle that China has witnessed owes a lot to the trade policies pushed by the GOP.

    If going by economics, Asians should vote GOP in numbers that rival blacks’ support for the democrats. But they don’t vote GOP. So that tells me they don’t vote on economics. Something else is motivating them. What could that be?

  106. @Anon
    Chinese people have their own country which is called China.
    They have to go back.

    Working class white trash junkie

  107. res says:
    @Bragadocious
    Is it really true that many or most of the white junkies in SoCal are from the Midwest?

    Is it really true that many or most of the white junkies in SoCal are from the Midwest?

    I have never seen a good analysis of that question and would be very interested in the answer (anyone?).

    It is probably worth doing some finer analysis related to the questions of how the balance of that population compares to the overall balance in California. CA has many people from other states.

    Some information about migration between states:
    https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/geographic-mobility/state-to-state-migration.html
    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/upshot/mapping-migration-in-the-united-states-since-1900.html (cool infographics breaking down migration by both state and region in 1900, 1950, and 2012)

    That last link also has interesting graphics per state of where residents were born from 1900-2012: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/upshot/where-people-in-each-state-were-born.html#California
    Steve wrote about this the next day: http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-big-squeeze-the-decline-of-americas-california-dream/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/is-california-importing-junkies-from-the-midwest/
  108. @res


    Is heroin a depressant taken by depressives and crack a stimulant taken by manics? Serious question.
     
    Sure, its a workable stereotype.
     
    I'm not sure about this. Hans Eysenck had an interesting theory that introversion/extraversion is related to differences in cortical arousal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Eysenck#Model_of_personality
    Related to this is differing drug preferences. So introverts would tend to be overly stimulated at baseline and would seek alone time or take depressants to reduce stimulation. Conversely, extraverts would tend to be under stimulated at baseline and seek out people or take stimulants to increase stimulation.

    I find this plausible and counter to your stereotype. On the other hand, the euphoric response to some depressants and feeling of ability/power from some stimulants seem more in line with your stereotype. Perhaps there is a distinction between trying to induce a reasonable steady state and trying to induce a temporary but pleasant extreme?

    Stimulants cause both actual increased mental functioning(something few want to acknowledge) as well as mania so that their users have an even more inflated belief in their function; the resulting combination is not usually pleasant.
     
    Agreed.

    You have made a number of interesting comments in this thread, but one factor I think you are underemphasizing is the development of tolerance and the related addiction aspect. If it were possible to occasionally take heroin to take the edge off (or stimulants to increase performance temporarily) it would not be nearly as bad. Instead, one tends to be launched into a vicious cycle.

    Off the top of my head, I’ll say that tolerance would have much to do with decreasing sensitivity of dopamine receptors being fired(in drugs that interact with that mechanism) and downregulation of related neurotransmitters(plus actual burnout from acetylcholine exhaustion, etc). That would spur overall ahedonia and thus an increasing desire to replicate the original high with other drugs which the user has been less sensitized to(or by increasing the consumed amount of the original drug). Replicating the original effect with stimulants is more than replicating the high: its also to replicate the actual performance on the initial intake with stimulant.

    I do think that its possible for some to be functional on stimulants; probably less so for euphorics such as heroin but I’m not ruling out the possibility. Either way, though, it definitely becomes the “blunt instrument” that has a significant effect on personality and behavior, even after its source has been removed.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    While we're talking about blunt instruments with long-term mental effects, birth control for women causes significant structural changes in the brain. Given the regions altered, etc, it seems a reasonable hypothesis that it causes meaningful de-feminization in behavior.

    Hooray for mass involuntary and unconsidered experimentation on human behavior!

    , @res
    Agreed about tolerance. And analogously for the opioid receptors.

    And most definitely a “blunt instrument.”

  109. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Depressed people don’t do start doing drugs of any kind unless they are already addicted to them.

    "It don't not the drugs unless they are been starting already to do. ... Drugs!"

    I mean, for the love of God how does anyone have such a retrograde view of… alcohol??

    There's no way to meet the monthly bills
    Folks are getting laid off at the mill
    If your girl is cheatin once again
    Just remember you still got a friend

    CHORUS:

    YOU CAN COUNT ON BEER
    EVERYDAY OF EVERY YEAR
    YOU CAN TELL ALL OF YOUR TROUBLES
    TO THOSE BRIGHT GOLDEN BUBBLES
    YOU CAN COUNT ON BEER
    WHEN THE WORLD IS INSINCERE
    BRING A ROUND SING A CHEER
    YOU CAN COUNT ON BEER

    You can smash the fog lamps on your truck
    To hustle pool you need some lady luck
    When you're feelin lower than a hound
    There's one thing that never lets you down

    CHORUS

    Politicians only tell you lies
    And all you see are prices on the rise
    Bosses say that there'll be better days
    Somehow you ain't never seen no raise

    CHORUS

    "Hide my head I wanna drown my sorrows, no tomorrow, no tomorrow"
    — Tears for Fears/Gary Jules, "Mad World'

    Full bottle in front of me,
    Time to roll up my sleeves and get to work
    And after many glasses of work
    I get paid in the brain
    —They Might Be Giants, "Your Own Worst Enemy"

    Don: (at shot glass) Can you drown a woman in this?
    Mike the bartender: How tall is she?
    —Easter Parade (1948)

    "Why are you drinking?" demanded the little prince. "So that I may forget," replied the tippler. "Forget what?" inquired the little prince, who already was sorry for him. "Forget that I am ashamed," the tippler confessed, hanging his head. "Ashamed of what?" insisted the little prince, who wanted to help him. "Ashamed of drinking!" The tipler brought his speech to an end, and shut himself up in an impregnable silence.
    —The Little Prince

    "Let beer be for those who are perishing, wine for those who are in anguish! Let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more."
    —Proverbs, 31:6-7

    "Went off to school and learned to serve the state"
    "Followed the rules and drank his vodka straight"
    "The only way to live was drown the hate"
    "A Russian life was very sad, And such was life in Leningrad"
    — Leningrad, Billy Joel

    "Now everybody's died, so until our tears are cried,"
    "we'll drink and drink and drink and drink and then we'll drink some more."
    "We'll dance and sing and fight until the early mornin' light,"
    "then we'll throw up, pass out, wake up and then go drinkin' once again."
    — Another Irish Drinking Song (everybody's died)

    Refutation in lyrical form. Quite nice.

  110. @Daniel Chieh
    Off the top of my head, I'll say that tolerance would have much to do with decreasing sensitivity of dopamine receptors being fired(in drugs that interact with that mechanism) and downregulation of related neurotransmitters(plus actual burnout from acetylcholine exhaustion, etc). That would spur overall ahedonia and thus an increasing desire to replicate the original high with other drugs which the user has been less sensitized to(or by increasing the consumed amount of the original drug). Replicating the original effect with stimulants is more than replicating the high: its also to replicate the actual performance on the initial intake with stimulant.

    I do think that its possible for some to be functional on stimulants; probably less so for euphorics such as heroin but I'm not ruling out the possibility. Either way, though, it definitely becomes the "blunt instrument" that has a significant effect on personality and behavior, even after its source has been removed.

    While we’re talking about blunt instruments with long-term mental effects, birth control for women causes significant structural changes in the brain. Given the regions altered, etc, it seems a reasonable hypothesis that it causes meaningful de-feminization in behavior.

    Hooray for mass involuntary and unconsidered experimentation on human behavior!

    • Replies: @res
    BCPs can also increase serum copper which can be a problem: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9805216
  111. 19-year Irvine homeowner weighing in here – good for the Orientals; junkies are scum.

  112. @Anonymous
    I’m sure Teeny Tiny, with that big heart of his, wants to buy the world a home and furnish it with luuuv ... and a Coke.



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8IwkR7qSXs0

    Who’s “privilege” to pay ……oh we already know…china come lately has to put up with a few bums,well that’s who we are.I wonder if tiny every helped anybody that didn’t look like him or have a white womb?

  113. Isn’t this just a small version of what’s probably going to happen when that camp of the saints reaches the border next week?

  114. @Daniel Chieh

    Is heroin a depressant taken by depressives and crack a stimulant taken by manics? Serious question.

     

    Sure, its a workable stereotype.

    Stimulants cause both actual increased mental functioning(something few want to acknowledge) as well as mania so that their users have an even more inflated belief in their function; the resulting combination is not usually pleasant.

    Note that many drug users end up cross-use a variety of drugs(to them, it basically all serves a general notion of "mood-enhancing"), so ultimately its a bit moot.

    I've had personal experience with a few: its almost amazing what you can get - its how you get a father who feels that he can work all night to prove his superiority, while simultaneously abusing the company card to buy equipment to sell for cash, using company time to cheat on his wife, finding a way to make his wife "useful" to get more cash, install cameras to spy on his boss' office, and reaching a pitch where he was conspiring to murder me because I was noticing what he was doing. Frankly, despite the essential evil he exhibited, there's something almost breathtaking and fearlessness in the energy that he had. And mind you, he was a father with children! I can't imagine risking going to jail with my kid out there...

    And yes, he was white. If you really wanted an HBD connection, he was also Italian and as he went insane, he became pretty obsessed with the mob-related history of his family.

    And yes, he was white. If you really wanted an HBD connection, he was also Italian and as he went insane, he became pretty obsessed with the mob-related history of his family.

    I drive past lots of schizoid homeless on my commutes. Some may be organically mentally ill but I think it’s mostly drug use. Their brains are broken beyond our ability to repair them.

    I wonder about this with our new experiment in marijuana legalization. It’s probably better than opioids but I don’t think long-term use or effects on marginal people has been studied in much depth.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    I grew up among the elite but I've spent a lot of time living with some of the poorest in society. This has given me quite a bit of compassion for them, but also a lot of realism for them. Diversity does indeed hurt them, but so does industrialization, mobility, and even the information age in general.

    Modernity is fundamentally unnatural: it takes people away from a land-based economy, from the values that existed from a land-based economy, from family that developed from those values, from hopes and expectations that came with family, and ultimately physically from a distance from what remains from family.

    From an ecological perspective, we've destroyed our habitat. Its not surprising that so many of us go mad in some form or another.
    , @Saxon
    Regular use of marijuana in youth has shown to lower IQ by 8 or more points. Giving these types of substances to brains that are still developing sounds like a really bad idea. Who knows what other effects there. Probably the same idea that giving children Ritalin and other such drugs has ended with such monumentally screwed up adult individuals.
    , @LKM
    I don't think it's going to end well. Modern pot is supposedly much stronger than that of times past. My aunt and uncle spent decades as social workers in a small European city and say that for most of their careers, alcohol was the main substance that was screwing up people's lives. Now, as their careers are winding down, they're seeing many potheads with severe mental illness who don't even drink.
  115. Anonymous[122] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    Ditto. Can anybody here really blame them? I’d be happily marching right along with them.
     
    I'm guessing you aren't white. That, or you're in denial. The number of American-Americans who would immigrate to a non-White country and form a mass protest by American-Americans of the native (anything here) is vanishingly small. American-Americans just aren't wired for that kind of sleazy, self-serving gall.

    I’m guessing you aren’t white. That, or you’re in denial. The number of American-Americans who would immigrate to a non-White country and form a mass protest by American-Americans of the native (anything here) is vanishingly small. American-Americans just aren’t wired for that kind of sleazy, self-serving gall.

    This. I would be wondering about when I would be jailed, repatriated or simply put up against a wall, and I think deservingly so. It is a highly ungrateful thing to do.

    Remember when the rightists or white separatists would make exceptions for Asians? As in, well, we could share territory with Asians but exclude the NAMs? (do they still do this?)

    And I think… on what? On the basis of… the ability to cook a mean yum-cha? The politeness shown in a one on one or group meeting?

  116. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @stillCARealist
    Is the mess cleaned up? When my husband was there in the 60's it was crime-ridden and foul. When I was there in the 80's it was degenerate, crime-ridden, and foul. Now in the 20teens what is it? Corrupt, degenerate, crime-ridden, and foul.

    Is the mess cleaned up?… Now in the 20teens what is it? Corrupt, degenerate, crime-ridden, and foul.

    It’s all those things and VERY EXPENSIVE…. as well as being very proggy. So, you have a paradox of SF as both the most exclusive city for law-abiders and most inclusive city for law-breakers.

    If you want to legally and legitimately live in SF, it’s very difficult to do cuz of high rents and property value. So, over the yrs, the legit residents of SF have gentrified the city to a great degree. If SF were very expensive and anti-proggy, it would be one of the cleanest cities.

    But it’s very expensive and very exclusive in legit terms, but its progginess obliges its residents to be tolerant to illegit bums. So, if you don’t plan on playing by the rules and want to play the bum, the city is officially ‘welcoming’ though there are subtle ways rich communities to keep the riff raff out.

    So, you have gross bums and drug addicts roaming around areas with rich people(by US standards if not by SF standards). But maybe even that’s preferable to blacks. The bums may commit petty crime here and there, but they are not the types to turn SF into Detroit.

    There was an article in VDARE a long ago about how it’s easier to be illegal in the US than a legal resident trying to go thru the legal process to gain citizenship. So, if you want to gain legit residence and status in SF, it aint easy. But if you want to live there as a bum, you have a better chance.

  117. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Hee hee.

    This blog rightly skewers upper middle class blacks like Eric Holder and Tennessee Coates who side with the thuggish elements among their co-ethnics rather than the decent people who are trying to preserve their own neighborhoods.

    And my god, the notion that those terrible liberal Jews side with their co-ethnics in Israel rather than Hamas Arabs as they for some reason should has reached mythical proportions around here.

    So now right here we have a perfect chance for isteve and the readership to demonstrate some righteous intellectual consistency! We have Asian middle and professional class people trying to preserve their neighborhood in the face of white meth head Juggalos, trustafarians, burnouts, and other assorted undesirables. The perfect chance for the isteve and the readers to demonstrate intellectual consistency by choosing class solidarity over racial. Buehler? Buehler?

    As you can see from the comments most people are sympathetic to the homeowners and see this as a sensible reaction by a middle class community against a neighborhood menace. What’s eye-catching here is that Mr. Citizenism doesn’t come off looking principled instead taking the SJW route of employing a super sensitive racism detector in finding microaggression by the Irvine Chinese in doing what is common sense. The same kind of BS Sailer is exceptionally good at critiquing.

  118. @Anonymous
    Hee hee.

    This blog rightly skewers upper middle class blacks like Eric Holder and Tennessee Coates who side with the thuggish elements among their co-ethnics rather than the decent people who are trying to preserve their own neighborhoods.

    And my god, the notion that those terrible liberal Jews side with their co-ethnics in Israel rather than Hamas Arabs as they for some reason should has reached mythical proportions around here.

    So now right here we have a perfect chance for isteve and the readership to demonstrate some righteous intellectual consistency! We have Asian middle and professional class people trying to preserve their neighborhood in the face of white meth head Juggalos, trustafarians, burnouts, and other assorted undesirables. The perfect chance for the isteve and the readers to demonstrate intellectual consistency by choosing class solidarity over racial. Buehler? Buehler?

    There is nothing intellectually inconsistent about wanting white countries for white people. White proles are then our problem, but that’s ok.

  119. @J.Ross
    Remember Petereike's Law. While based roof squads exist, "right-wing Asian" often refers to someone who hates the Constitution, views free speech as a confused historical aberration, and pledges to ban guns on every survey. Especially if the person designating said Asian is a professional J-school product who thinks that the meaning of "right-wing" is "unapologetically self-interested."

    OT

    One aspect not mentioned in the media accounts of the March From Honduras is race.

    Here in Oakland we have never had very many Mexican illegals. Most of the guys I picked up off the street to weed my front yard were not Mexica or Azteca – they were Mayans from further south. They’re all gone now of course since Trump was elected. But a year or two ago the yard workers hardly spoke anymore Spanish than I do. They spoke some incomprehensible Mayan tongue.

    There’s a history lesson there. When Cortez conquered Mexico, he did it with a just a smattering of Spaniards. Guns. armor and steel certainly helped but his best ally was diplomatic. Virtually every group that surrounded the Aztecs were only too glad to help him in his conquests. Here’s why.

    Cortez would ask the non-Aztecs for help and they asked him one question in return. “Do you want to eat us?”

    Thus was a continent subdued by a handful of Europeans. The Mayans now marching north towards America remember that Europeans treated them better than the Mexicans did.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Silva
    The people around the Mexica that eagerly helped topple them were also from (by the current map) Central Mexico, and many of them fellow Nahuas (that is: the Mexica-besieged Tlaxcalans spoke the same language as the Mexica). Later, the Spaniards went south, bringing soldiers both from the old allies and the defeated, to kill a lot of Mayas (but I think nobody ate them, if it matters). Later, the Mayas revolted against both Spain and Mexico.
    , @J.Ross

    Most of the guys I picked up off the street to weed my front yard
     
    And nobody needs to tell you about this, right?
  120. Anonymous[915] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    As much as it pains me personally to say this because i am talking about immediate family and close friends here...once they go down the H road, they're gone forever. The things that used to motivate them no longer will and they will cease to be the person that you knew before. It repaves their neural reward pathways so to speak. Maybe down the line some people get clean and dedicate themselves and can become a person worthy of your trust but i have never seen a dope fiend or former junkie reform themselves. Real talk from the streets of Kensington, where the zombies rule the night!

    as somebody who went to rehab, this is how bad it is: the “veteran” dope addicts came in knowing they only wanted to go to AA and not NA. ie, they preferred to go to AA and say, “…I am an alcoholic” even if they weren’t, because NA was just too degenerate and filled with people who didn’t want to be clean.

    These were criminals who had been to rehab 5+ times telling me NA was a degenerate trap. Of course, that’s the reason NA exists in the first place–AA losers did not want drug addicts *really* messing things up for them. (This is also why those opiate addicts say “I am an alcoholic” at AA meetings: a lot of groups, especially older ones, will not allow people who are addicts but not alcoholics).

    But anyway, if you have a family member who is a heroin or opiate addict, the first step is to never believe anything they say. The second step is to assume they’re gone forever. The third step is to cut them off except for checking them into rehab or getting them a lawyer if they’re facing serious charges and you don’t want them to be literally raped in prison for years. These are completely optional, not obligatory, and by paying for rehab or a lawyer I do mean paying the rehab or the lawyer directly, not giving them money because they “need rent for the halfway house,” “need gas money to get to work,” etc.

    they will break your heart every single time you believe them, though. so don’t spend any energy asking them why and don’t expect anything for your rehab efforts. it’s all money and time and love flushed down the toilet.

    there’s no need to feel guilty about cutting them out of your life because if by some miracle they’re a unicorn who does get better, a large part of that will entail their full understanding that they deserve no trust and are entitled to no former relationships (that’s a good reality check: any addict trying to make you feel guilty or obligated or sympathetic is playing you, not someone truly in recovery).

    • Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
    100% accurate in every detail and I too speak from experience.
  121. @The Anti-Gnostic

    And yes, he was white. If you really wanted an HBD connection, he was also Italian and as he went insane, he became pretty obsessed with the mob-related history of his family.
     
    I drive past lots of schizoid homeless on my commutes. Some may be organically mentally ill but I think it's mostly drug use. Their brains are broken beyond our ability to repair them.

    I wonder about this with our new experiment in marijuana legalization. It's probably better than opioids but I don't think long-term use or effects on marginal people has been studied in much depth.

    I grew up among the elite but I’ve spent a lot of time living with some of the poorest in society. This has given me quite a bit of compassion for them, but also a lot of realism for them. Diversity does indeed hurt them, but so does industrialization, mobility, and even the information age in general.

    Modernity is fundamentally unnatural: it takes people away from a land-based economy, from the values that existed from a land-based economy, from family that developed from those values, from hopes and expectations that came with family, and ultimately physically from a distance from what remains from family.

    From an ecological perspective, we’ve destroyed our habitat. Its not surprising that so many of us go mad in some form or another.

    • Replies: @Silva
    Related: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/16/burdens/ (not that I agree).
  122. I strongly agree with the poster above- the H Train truly does just leave misery in its wake.
    One of my brothers is currently a homeless addict (and has been for years)and another died of OD. In all honesty, the best case scenario is a quick death. The life of an addict is punishing and I wouldn’t wish it in my worst enemy. Truly, there is no happy ending.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    I imagine that's why Singapore still keeps the death penalty for dealers on its books.
  123. The treasonous rats in the GOP ruling class have actively conspired with the Chinese Communist Party to 1) flood the United States with Chinese invaders and 2) flood the United States with cheap goods manufactured in China.

    The Bush family treasonites, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell and the rest of the evil backstabbers in the GOP ruling class have done everything they could to destroy the sovereignty and security of the United States of America.

    Tweet from 2015:

  124. @istevefan

    For a long time Republicans were associated with brain-dead evangelical Christianity. Striving people who want their daughter to be a neurosurgeon and ace the MCAT don’t want her taught creationism in school.
     
    First, does it really matter whether you study Darwin in school? For most majors you don't even need to know who Darwin was. So I don't understand Asians balking at the GOP because of this issue.

    Second, if Asians are so consumed with education and getting into the right schools, then what would (or should) be the bigger issue to them; a class in creationism that their precious kid might have to take, or their kid getting rejected by some university in favor of some NAM? It seems to be a no brainer that Asians detest AA and how it curtails their slots at good universities. If Asians are so smart as to equate the GOP with "brain-dead evangelical Christianity", why can't they equate the democrats as the "black party" with never-ending affirmative action at their expense?

    No, it seems the Asians have some other reasons for voting democrat.

    I had a Japanese-American co-worker who said that he thought that Asians thought that Democrats would protect minorities better.

  125. @Daniel Chieh
    Off the top of my head, I'll say that tolerance would have much to do with decreasing sensitivity of dopamine receptors being fired(in drugs that interact with that mechanism) and downregulation of related neurotransmitters(plus actual burnout from acetylcholine exhaustion, etc). That would spur overall ahedonia and thus an increasing desire to replicate the original high with other drugs which the user has been less sensitized to(or by increasing the consumed amount of the original drug). Replicating the original effect with stimulants is more than replicating the high: its also to replicate the actual performance on the initial intake with stimulant.

    I do think that its possible for some to be functional on stimulants; probably less so for euphorics such as heroin but I'm not ruling out the possibility. Either way, though, it definitely becomes the "blunt instrument" that has a significant effect on personality and behavior, even after its source has been removed.

    Agreed about tolerance. And analogously for the opioid receptors.

    And most definitely a “blunt instrument.”

  126. @Daniel Chieh
    While we're talking about blunt instruments with long-term mental effects, birth control for women causes significant structural changes in the brain. Given the regions altered, etc, it seems a reasonable hypothesis that it causes meaningful de-feminization in behavior.

    Hooray for mass involuntary and unconsidered experimentation on human behavior!

    BCPs can also increase serum copper which can be a problem: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9805216

  127. @schnellandine
    What comments were you reading? Two minute hate?

    "most Sailer commentators" is what you wrote. Is that Newspeak for 2.5?

    If I seem to overreact, its because hard drugs and their peddlers are one of the few(perhaps only?) thing that really send me off a cliff. Its one thing to have been personally harmed or threatened, but when one has lost loved ones or been had loved ones harmed by such individuals, I am not even sure if rationality is the appropriate response.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
    My adult cousin was wrecked by drugs. Not once did I think of being pissed at anyone before her in the supply line. She jumped off the cliff; not going to blame gravity for the outcome.
    , @Mishra
    I've been personally harmed by Asians a few times. How should I respond?
  128. @stillCARealist
    Heroin makes you want more heroin, which costs $, which you don't have, so you lie and manipulate and steal and lie some more to get it. My friend went through this with her son and it was a nightmare.

    My solution to the homeless is well-regulated, well-walled barracks. If you have only a pittance to live on, then you can work to keep the place clean and feed the others.

    Also: my neighbor's son, who is a talented worker, except for drugs, has been banned from the house and lives in his car. That actually seems to work for him. He goes to work, then parks in various friends' driveways, including his dad's, and gets high. He's able to pay for his phone, his (old) car, and his drugs that way.

    Drugs are an absolute menace.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trainspotting_(film)

    Dark comedy about Scottish junkies.

  129. @27 year old

    Chunzhu Yu, a dentist with offices in Irvine and Orange, said he paid about $5,000 to sponsor seven buses, taking half a day off from seeing patients to air his views.

    “We had to go to defense mode to keep trouble away,” Yu said.
     
    As compared to attack mode, back when they were colonizing Irvine and stealing it from Whites.

    Muh Civil War guys: where are your dentists who are gonna kick in 5 grand to sponsor right wing activities?

    “colonizing Irvine and stealing it from Whites.”

    According to wiki, Irvine has doubled in population from 1990 to now. In 1990 it was 78% White. In the 2010 census it was 50% White, so it’s probably about 40% now. It seems that it isn’t Whites moving out as much as Asians moving in.

    So the all the new immigrants seem to be to the right of Attila, but then why are they all voting blue? Irvine went 88% Hillary in 2016.

    • Replies: @Frank the Prof
    Later in the linked story:

    "Officials and residents in Huntington Beach and Laguna Niguel expressed similar sentiments. U.S. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Costa Mesa) said he joined "the outrage that we are assuming responsibility for homeless people, taking care of their basic needs and elongating their agony."

    This isn't only an Irvine thing (40+% Asian) as H.B. and L.N. are 77% White. It seems to be a upper-middle class vs. homeless thing. Sometimes iSteve has valuable insights, sometimes he reaches for any handle to grab.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-hb-homeless-20180321-story.html

    , @anon

    So the all the new immigrants seem to be to the right of Attila, but then why are they all voting blue? Irvine went 88% Hillary in 2016.
     
    Most of the new arrivals from China probably can't vote, many are probably not even here legally.
    , @Saxon
    People vote their interests. If the coalition of the fringes party offers them free stuff at the host population's expense, they can try their best to avoid the ideological and social poz being pushed as long as they benefit. Which is exactly why the Islamics in places like Britain will vote Labour, or in Germany will vote for "leftist" parties but for example the Turks in Germany when they vote remotely for the Turkish election will vote for the most ultranationalist Islamic party possible.

    It's just racial nationalism and it's not really ideology.
    , @Mishra

    So the all the new immigrants seem to be to the right of Attila, but then why are they all voting blue? Irvine went 88% Hillary in 2016.
     
    Once third-worlders have been in the country for awhile, they learn that it's heaven for minority gibsmedats, and quickly get in line for their share of the gravy train. This is if they didn't already know it, as if it weren't most of the reason they 'migrated' in the first place.

    So yeah, Hillary and not Trump.
  130. @Anonspc
    I strongly agree with the poster above- the H Train truly does just leave misery in its wake.
    One of my brothers is currently a homeless addict (and has been for years)and another died of OD. In all honesty, the best case scenario is a quick death. The life of an addict is punishing and I wouldn’t wish it in my worst enemy. Truly, there is no happy ending.

    I imagine that’s why Singapore still keeps the death penalty for dealers on its books.

  131. @Anon
    Don't they know that Tentrification is the wave of the future. They need to a river to the people.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noyFiYKlFJU

    Or must the Tentrifiers just say, "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown."

    Still, how did it go from Grapes of Wrath to Groups on Meth?

    It seems like they are acting fast.

    In the 60s, San Fran let the hippies run riot and the place got ugly. It took some time to clean up the mess, largely thanks to rise of high tech.

    FYI, I’m stealing tentfrication.

  132. @Frank the Prof
    "colonizing Irvine and stealing it from Whites."

    According to wiki, Irvine has doubled in population from 1990 to now. In 1990 it was 78% White. In the 2010 census it was 50% White, so it's probably about 40% now. It seems that it isn't Whites moving out as much as Asians moving in.

    So the all the new immigrants seem to be to the right of Attila, but then why are they all voting blue? Irvine went 88% Hillary in 2016.

    Later in the linked story:

    “Officials and residents in Huntington Beach and Laguna Niguel expressed similar sentiments. U.S. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Costa Mesa) said he joined “the outrage that we are assuming responsibility for homeless people, taking care of their basic needs and elongating their agony.”

    This isn’t only an Irvine thing (40+% Asian) as H.B. and L.N. are 77% White. It seems to be a upper-middle class vs. homeless thing. Sometimes iSteve has valuable insights, sometimes he reaches for any handle to grab.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-hb-homeless-20180321-story.html

    • Replies: @Seth Largo
    I don't think he's setting this up as an anti-Asian or Asian vs. white thing, just noting that the demographics here are flipped from what the Narrative demands (white oppressors, non-white oppressed).
  133. @Daniel Chieh
    If I seem to overreact, its because hard drugs and their peddlers are one of the few(perhaps only?) thing that really send me off a cliff. Its one thing to have been personally harmed or threatened, but when one has lost loved ones or been had loved ones harmed by such individuals, I am not even sure if rationality is the appropriate response.

    My adult cousin was wrecked by drugs. Not once did I think of being pissed at anyone before her in the supply line. She jumped off the cliff; not going to blame gravity for the outcome.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    My adult cousin was wrecked by drugs. Not once did I think of being pissed at anyone before her in the supply line.

    This is the Chinese attitude towards opiates.

    https://youtu.be/qje0UuM8-OU

    Appears they don't much like white junkies either though.
  134. Our individualism will be our doom; their collectivism their success. It’s a conundrum, because who the Hell wants to be a successful insect? (I know, I know: the Orientals do….)

  135. @Anon
    Don't they know that Tentrification is the wave of the future. They need to a river to the people.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noyFiYKlFJU

    Or must the Tentrifiers just say, "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown."

    Still, how did it go from Grapes of Wrath to Groups on Meth?

    It seems like they are acting fast.

    In the 60s, San Fran let the hippies run riot and the place got ugly. It took some time to clean up the mess, largely thanks to rise of high tech.

    I got to San Francisco in the 60s and I moved into the Haight. Do you mean me?

    • Replies: @Anon
    Oh no. You are one of the few who kept it decent.
  136. anon[213] • Disclaimer says:

    A local civic group, Communities of Maspeth and Elmhurst Together, has organized a series of protests, including one in late June in which some of the protesters yelled at the shelter residents to “Get a job!” The homeless families responded that their opponents should “go back to China.”

    I see the genius of de Blasio. Since we can’t get rid of either group, let’s pit them against each other and let them get rid of each other.

    Most of the homeless are black or hispanic, while the protesters are mostly Chinese immigrants. It is quite curious how even though they are probably just as poor, the Chinese do not go into homeless shelters. Instead they work 11am to 11pm to feed their families and provide them with shelter, however modest. No love from me for either group but I do admire the Chinese for their self-reliance and for not taking crap from the libtards.

    Still, America would be a much nicer place to live without such diversity. We need to send them all packing, blacks back to Africa, hispanics back to Central America, Chinese back to China.

  137. @Frank the Prof
    "colonizing Irvine and stealing it from Whites."

    According to wiki, Irvine has doubled in population from 1990 to now. In 1990 it was 78% White. In the 2010 census it was 50% White, so it's probably about 40% now. It seems that it isn't Whites moving out as much as Asians moving in.

    So the all the new immigrants seem to be to the right of Attila, but then why are they all voting blue? Irvine went 88% Hillary in 2016.

    So the all the new immigrants seem to be to the right of Attila, but then why are they all voting blue? Irvine went 88% Hillary in 2016.

    Most of the new arrivals from China probably can’t vote, many are probably not even here legally.

    • Replies: @Frank the Prof
    "Most of the new arrivals from China probably can’t vote"

    Well then, let's look forward to a red Irvine.
  138. @schnellandine
    So Miles thought, "Hmm, I need to try this heroin thing."

    Based on this quote, it sounds like that is what he decided. This must be an mental flaw with artistic types. They can see firsthand how destructive drug use is for other people close to them, but still start doing drugs because they think it enhances their art.

    The reason Miles used heroin was because he believed it made him play better. His example for this was Parker who Miles said “played his ass off after he got high” The idea became common in jazz circles that if you took heroin you might be able to play like Bird and become as famous and as hip as he was.

    • Replies: @Mishra
    Wouldn't surprise me really. Heroin loosens you up a lot, helps you enjoy life and love your fellow man, and releases your inner artist. Unfortunately, I only know all of this second-hand.
  139. anon[213] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Humanity can look forward to the kindness, generosity and altruistic attitude of the Han Chinese in the interesting times ahead...

    Humanity can look forward to the kindness, generosity and altruistic attitude of the Han Chinese in the interesting times ahead…

    Give me a break. If these protesters were middle class whites or German immigrants you’d be praising their “German sensibilities”.

    Residents in homeless mecca Seattle are complaining that the homeless drug addicts are breaking into their homes, searching through their garbage, generating tons of garbage themselves, and discarding used needles all over the sidewalks. It’s gotten to the point where you can’t even let your kids play outside anymore, one minute you’re not paying attention, and they could pick up a tainted discarded needle and stab themselves or each other.

    This whole notion of “good Christian” helping those “down on their lucks” by giving them endless food and shelter while they continue to do drugs is the height of stupidity. Thanks to all the shyster Jewish psychiatrists convincing the Obama admin that addiction is a “disability”, now a growing army of junkies are collecting their disability checks to support their drug habits.

    These homeless bums are a menace and a danger to every community and need to be busted up and run out of town. F the libtards and the churches who want to bring them in. “Helping” people to become menace to society is unchristian in itself.

    GOD HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Give me a break. If these protesters were middle class whites or German immigrants you’d be praising their “German sensibilities”.
     
    You're right. I would, because they would be middle class whites and German immigrants.

    Unfortunately, German sensibilities have been beaten out of middle class whites.
  140. One of the strangest delusions of the Western mind is to the effect that a philosophy of profound wisdom is on tap in the East. – H. L. Mencken

  141. @hwh
    Wow. You know less than nothing about drugs. Including, somehow, alcohol.

    Depressant doesn't mean what you apparently think it means. It "depresses" certain functions, like inhibitions por ejemplo.

    Depressed people don't do start doing drugs of any kind unless they are already addicted to them.

    I mean, for the love of God how does anyone have such a retrograde view of... alcohol??

    P.S. I don't know what psychic pain is but if you do, may I recommend visiting a psychiatrist to fix that malware for you? Drugs are good m'kay?

    Can our mutually supportive community at iSteve refrain from “Wow” as a response to a post that we disagree with? (I am also talking to you, J. Ross) What does this mean, that one is surprised by a viewpoint expressed? That you believe the person you disagree with to not only be wrong but be of diminished mental capacity? To be suffering from a mental disorder?

    Could we post with reasoned arguments for disagreement and leave out the “wow” and “LOL” (actually, people have been good about LOL lately) and related Internet-slang embellishment?

    • LOL: Clyde, Mishra
    • Replies: @schnellandine
    You'll take the 'LOL' from my dead hands. I use it only when true, whether typed or clicked. You may have 'wow' as described.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Awesome.
    , @J.Ross
    Good idea in theory, but "wow" can lead off a reasonable comment, whereas other problems like namecalling, over-dependence on official sources, and wall-of-text'ing are worse.
    That being said, such erudite, very jurisprudence. Golf clap.
  142. @Pat Boyle
    I got to San Francisco in the 60s and I moved into the Haight. Do you mean me?

    Oh no. You are one of the few who kept it decent.

  143. What’s going on in Orange county makes Grover Norquist and the other cuck strategists very happy. Damn them.

  144. @anon

    So the all the new immigrants seem to be to the right of Attila, but then why are they all voting blue? Irvine went 88% Hillary in 2016.
     
    Most of the new arrivals from China probably can't vote, many are probably not even here legally.

    “Most of the new arrivals from China probably can’t vote”

    Well then, let’s look forward to a red Irvine.

  145. @Steve Sailer
    The funniest story in Miles Davis's autobiography is when he shows up in NYC at age 18 as an affluent young jazz musician with a nice apartment paid for by his dentist daddy. And right away, the great Charlie Parker asks him if he can move in with him until his old lady is cool again. Wow, thinks young Miles. Charlie Parker!

    Then one day he comes home and looks to change his clothes. But all his new suits are gone. Charlie sold them for heroin. Then he comes home and Charlie is sitting on the floor because he sold his couch.

    In the late 80’s, I was working in a used record and book store on the upper west side. A then fairly well known composer of film scores came in to sell his own vinyl copies of his own sound tracks for less than a $1 each. He unabashedly told us he needed the money for heroin.

  146. @Anonymous
    as somebody who went to rehab, this is how bad it is: the "veteran" dope addicts came in knowing they only wanted to go to AA and not NA. ie, they preferred to go to AA and say, "...I am an alcoholic" even if they weren't, because NA was just too degenerate and filled with people who didn't want to be clean.

    These were criminals who had been to rehab 5+ times telling me NA was a degenerate trap. Of course, that's the reason NA exists in the first place--AA losers did not want drug addicts *really* messing things up for them. (This is also why those opiate addicts say "I am an alcoholic" at AA meetings: a lot of groups, especially older ones, will not allow people who are addicts but not alcoholics).

    But anyway, if you have a family member who is a heroin or opiate addict, the first step is to never believe anything they say. The second step is to assume they're gone forever. The third step is to cut them off except for checking them into rehab or getting them a lawyer if they're facing serious charges and you don't want them to be literally raped in prison for years. These are completely optional, not obligatory, and by paying for rehab or a lawyer I do mean paying the rehab or the lawyer directly, not giving them money because they "need rent for the halfway house," "need gas money to get to work," etc.

    they will break your heart every single time you believe them, though. so don't spend any energy asking them why and don't expect anything for your rehab efforts. it's all money and time and love flushed down the toilet.


    there's no need to feel guilty about cutting them out of your life because if by some miracle they're a unicorn who does get better, a large part of that will entail their full understanding that they deserve no trust and are entitled to no former relationships (that's a good reality check: any addict trying to make you feel guilty or obligated or sympathetic is playing you, not someone truly in recovery).

    100% accurate in every detail and I too speak from experience.

  147. @Inquiring Mind
    Can our mutually supportive community at iSteve refrain from "Wow" as a response to a post that we disagree with? (I am also talking to you, J. Ross) What does this mean, that one is surprised by a viewpoint expressed? That you believe the person you disagree with to not only be wrong but be of diminished mental capacity? To be suffering from a mental disorder?

    Could we post with reasoned arguments for disagreement and leave out the "wow" and "LOL" (actually, people have been good about LOL lately) and related Internet-slang embellishment?

    You’ll take the ‘LOL’ from my dead hands. I use it only when true, whether typed or clicked. You may have ‘wow’ as described.

  148. Asian home-owners are the story of the bravery of property values.

    Feng-shuification.

  149. @Tom Scarlett
    In this country, Jeffrey Goldberg's Atlantic is nostalgic for riots:
    The quiescence we have today is unsettling in its own way. For all their destructive power, the riots of the 1960's at least were bluntly honest, a message that the fight for equality had a long way to go...In the torrents was something like hope.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/02/matthew-desmond-riots/552542/

    Has Mr. Goldberg ever heard “White Riot” by The Clash?

  150. @Charles Pewitt
    The Chinese won't win the Scramble For America.

    The William the Conqueror that takes over the American Empire in the next few years will have to win over the Germans in the Great Lakes states and the Anglo-Celts in the Southern states. Remember, William had troops from Brittany and Flanders and other areas, besides Normans.

    President Trump has used the German Strategy and it worked. The German Strategy is to win over the Americans of German ancestry in the Great Lakes states while also winning the Anglo-Celts in the Southern states.

    Thankfully, Vladimir Putin convinced Hillary Clinton not to go to Wisconsin and campaign, and that helped Trump tremendously. As I type this, Hillary Clinton is in the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York, wondering why she listened to Putin's advice to not go to Wisconsin. Hillary thought it sounded good at the time.

    A story, perhaps apocryphal, says that Vladimir Putin sang "Blueberry Hill" to Hillary in English and it melted her baby boomer heart. Putin has a history of interfering and meddling in the proper functioning of female baby boomer hearts by singing "Blueberry Hill" in English. Putin used the "Blueberry Hill" horseshit on Sharon Stone and she went all all kinds of soppy in her nether regions for the Russian.

    I'll eat some blueberries to celebrate Autism Month; maybe listen to baby boomer David Byrne sing "People Like Us." Why did we allow a Scottish guy like Byrne write one of the best ever country songs?

    This comment was written in such a manner so as to attempt to replicate the pre-battle confusion of tactics and reaction that will occur as Civil War II breaks out. Once we get a critical mass of Germans and Anglo-Celts activated and fighting side by side, the recent invaders and foreigners will not stand a chance.

    If that other guy can solicit cash for Sailer in the style of Chaucer then I can try to prod White boobs towards fighting for their own interests in any writing style I choose.

    Putin is certainly no Yves Montand* but his gravelly voiced rendition of “Blueberry Hill” is cute. Not surprisingly, he has a good stage presence and knows how to use it to best advantage.

    *sexiest man who ever sung a note or, for that matter, took a breath.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Pennsylvania woman Sharon Stone should have shown more restraint in her outward emotions when Putin started that "Blueberry Hill" crap. Sharon Stone melted like a delicious tub of Pennsylvania-made Turkey Hill ice cream left out in the sun too long. Frey is the name of the Pennsylvania guy who started that ice cream company; Germans again in Pennsylvania!

    Kurt Russell should have immediately poured some ice water on Stone to calm her down. Mel Gibson would have been laughing at Putin the politician hamming it up in such a manner.
  151. @The Anti-Gnostic

    And yes, he was white. If you really wanted an HBD connection, he was also Italian and as he went insane, he became pretty obsessed with the mob-related history of his family.
     
    I drive past lots of schizoid homeless on my commutes. Some may be organically mentally ill but I think it's mostly drug use. Their brains are broken beyond our ability to repair them.

    I wonder about this with our new experiment in marijuana legalization. It's probably better than opioids but I don't think long-term use or effects on marginal people has been studied in much depth.

    Regular use of marijuana in youth has shown to lower IQ by 8 or more points. Giving these types of substances to brains that are still developing sounds like a really bad idea. Who knows what other effects there. Probably the same idea that giving children Ritalin and other such drugs has ended with such monumentally screwed up adult individuals.

  152. @Svigor

    Ditto. Can anybody here really blame them? I’d be happily marching right along with them.
     
    I'm guessing you aren't white. That, or you're in denial. The number of American-Americans who would immigrate to a non-White country and form a mass protest by American-Americans of the native (anything here) is vanishingly small. American-Americans just aren't wired for that kind of sleazy, self-serving gall.

    So can we set up a huge homeless shelter next to your neighborhood? If we do should you remain silent. So you’ve figured out only White people should say something? White people in Hong Kong seem to speak up. I’m glad they do:

    http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/2108829/it-now-time-whites-hong-kong-be-considered-ethnic-minority

    Seems like your attacks are ad hominem and don’t address the problem. Huntington Beach (77% White) seems on board with Irvine:

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-hb-homeless-20180321-story.html

    As for White people living in a Asian country check out the ADVChina channel on youtube. These guys don’t pull punches and they have valid criticisms. The gall of those guys.

    I say address the issue as stated by Steve Sailer in the comments section, this seems to be a insurance abuse problem in SoCal .

  153. @Achmed E. Newman
    How does it go again? - "How much intolerance can we tolerate?" That's what the Swedish compassionate lefties may be asking themselves upon seeing the huge increase in violent crime from their Moslem imports. Calilfornians who have compassion for the homeless and also for the poor diverse immigrants from the Orient may well ask themselves the same question.

    We are not importing a whole lot of compassion, as compassionate as we may be in doing it. It's not gonna work out so well. Do the math, as they say.

    BTW, the writer goes on about "It was a big political victory for the diverse opposition from Irvine. …", diverse, diverse, diverse, but then everyone she talked to was Chinese. Couldn't she find any Americans on one of those 24 buses? Oh, also, she says, for a lot of these people this is their first political protest - assimilation at it's finest!

    No. Save for a tiny sprinkling, it was ALL Chinese. The Register’s cub reporter-ette was conflating TWO protests……this one, and a standard general kvetch about immigrant “rights” nearby. You can guess who attended which.

    FYI – I lived in Irvine nearly 20 years, and am now next door. I have a pretty good idea of the place. People refer to it as Beige Mayberry (the beige referring to the ubiquitous stucco). That it may be, if you swapped out most of the European Whites. Neatly tucked into the Census Bureau’s tally under “white” is a whole lot of folks, much like Steve’s ESFV , whose ancestors hail from a number of neighboring countries with distinct gutteral languages. If pressed, I’d guess the Euro population of Irvine at about 25%. Walk into any CVS for anecdotal verification.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    You've a very verbose way of saying Irvine is a colony of invading Chinese.

    (I clarify for those unfamiliar with the area, as we are.)
  154. @Frank the Prof
    "colonizing Irvine and stealing it from Whites."

    According to wiki, Irvine has doubled in population from 1990 to now. In 1990 it was 78% White. In the 2010 census it was 50% White, so it's probably about 40% now. It seems that it isn't Whites moving out as much as Asians moving in.

    So the all the new immigrants seem to be to the right of Attila, but then why are they all voting blue? Irvine went 88% Hillary in 2016.

    People vote their interests. If the coalition of the fringes party offers them free stuff at the host population’s expense, they can try their best to avoid the ideological and social poz being pushed as long as they benefit. Which is exactly why the Islamics in places like Britain will vote Labour, or in Germany will vote for “leftist” parties but for example the Turks in Germany when they vote remotely for the Turkish election will vote for the most ultranationalist Islamic party possible.

    It’s just racial nationalism and it’s not really ideology.

    • Replies: @Frank the Prof
    Islamics in the UK and Turks in Germany may get something but in the US it makes zero sense that Asians, East or South vote blue as they don't get AA and in private elite universities are subject to institutionalized discrimination. They seem to vote for the same reasons CA Whites vote blue, hive-mind SJW mentality.
  155. Ban Narcan tomorrow and solve the opioid epidemic in a week.

  156. @Pat Boyle
    OT

    One aspect not mentioned in the media accounts of the March From Honduras is race.

    Here in Oakland we have never had very many Mexican illegals. Most of the guys I picked up off the street to weed my front yard were not Mexica or Azteca - they were Mayans from further south. They're all gone now of course since Trump was elected. But a year or two ago the yard workers hardly spoke anymore Spanish than I do. They spoke some incomprehensible Mayan tongue.

    There's a history lesson there. When Cortez conquered Mexico, he did it with a just a smattering of Spaniards. Guns. armor and steel certainly helped but his best ally was diplomatic. Virtually every group that surrounded the Aztecs were only too glad to help him in his conquests. Here's why.

    Cortez would ask the non-Aztecs for help and they asked him one question in return. "Do you want to eat us?"

    Thus was a continent subdued by a handful of Europeans. The Mayans now marching north towards America remember that Europeans treated them better than the Mexicans did.

    The people around the Mexica that eagerly helped topple them were also from (by the current map) Central Mexico, and many of them fellow Nahuas (that is: the Mexica-besieged Tlaxcalans spoke the same language as the Mexica). Later, the Spaniards went south, bringing soldiers both from the old allies and the defeated, to kill a lot of Mayas (but I think nobody ate them, if it matters). Later, the Mayas revolted against both Spain and Mexico.

  157. @Frank the Prof
    Later in the linked story:

    "Officials and residents in Huntington Beach and Laguna Niguel expressed similar sentiments. U.S. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Costa Mesa) said he joined "the outrage that we are assuming responsibility for homeless people, taking care of their basic needs and elongating their agony."

    This isn't only an Irvine thing (40+% Asian) as H.B. and L.N. are 77% White. It seems to be a upper-middle class vs. homeless thing. Sometimes iSteve has valuable insights, sometimes he reaches for any handle to grab.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-hb-homeless-20180321-story.html

    I don’t think he’s setting this up as an anti-Asian or Asian vs. white thing, just noting that the demographics here are flipped from what the Narrative demands (white oppressors, non-white oppressed).

  158. @Kylie
    Putin is certainly no Yves Montand* but his gravelly voiced rendition of "Blueberry Hill" is cute. Not surprisingly, he has a good stage presence and knows how to use it to best advantage.

    *sexiest man who ever sung a note or, for that matter, took a breath.

    Pennsylvania woman Sharon Stone should have shown more restraint in her outward emotions when Putin started that “Blueberry Hill” crap. Sharon Stone melted like a delicious tub of Pennsylvania-made Turkey Hill ice cream left out in the sun too long. Frey is the name of the Pennsylvania guy who started that ice cream company; Germans again in Pennsylvania!

    Kurt Russell should have immediately poured some ice water on Stone to calm her down. Mel Gibson would have been laughing at Putin the politician hamming it up in such a manner.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "Pennsylvania woman Sharon Stone should have shown more restraint in her outward emotions when Putin started that “Blueberry Hill” crap. Sharon Stone melted like a delicious tub of Pennsylvania-made Turkey Hill ice cream left out in the sun too long."

    Can't disagree about the delicious Sharon Stone but I'm tempted to give her a pass, as I do to my dog when she gets excited outside and runs right through her own poop.
  159. @Inquiring Mind
    Can our mutually supportive community at iSteve refrain from "Wow" as a response to a post that we disagree with? (I am also talking to you, J. Ross) What does this mean, that one is surprised by a viewpoint expressed? That you believe the person you disagree with to not only be wrong but be of diminished mental capacity? To be suffering from a mental disorder?

    Could we post with reasoned arguments for disagreement and leave out the "wow" and "LOL" (actually, people have been good about LOL lately) and related Internet-slang embellishment?

    Awesome.

  160. @KenH
    To be fair I wouldn't want a homeless shelter of addicts of any race near where I live, but would these Chinese have opposed a homeless shelter for Asian refugees and asylum seekers? I say not likely and they probably would have welcomed them.

    With the Chinese and other non-whites compassion is reserved only for members of the in group. Compassion for other races is totally foreign to them. This doesn't bode well for whites when we become a minority with little political power. It also bodes very ill for the the perpetual victims and drama queens like the black race.

    Another point is these homeless whites probably have ancestors who've been in America for many generations while the Chinese of Irvine probably haven't been here more than two. So the white homeless have more right to Irvine, CA than the Chinese based on the "who was here first and longest rule" that leftists like to use against whites.

    It would be an interesting alternative history, if the Chinese had discovered America. I suppose they would not have used black slaves, but Asian ones. But if they had used blacks? No doubt, a much different outcome.

    • Replies: @Mishra

    It would be an interesting alternative history, if the Chinese had discovered America. I suppose they would not have used black slaves, but Asian ones. But if they had used blacks? No doubt, a much different outcome.
     
    If they had used black slaves, they'd still be slaves. Same if they'd used Asian slaves, actually.

    The Anglo-American mentality--so thoroughly disparaged by privileged minorities and third-worlders--is the sole and only reason slavery was ever abolished anywhere.
  161. @Achmed E. Newman
    Heh! You forgot the required tag [/Captain Kirk-out/]

    It’s just how they’re wired. Later on they’ll need to recharge, but at the moment they’ll keep going and going and going …

  162. @Inquiring Mind
    Can our mutually supportive community at iSteve refrain from "Wow" as a response to a post that we disagree with? (I am also talking to you, J. Ross) What does this mean, that one is surprised by a viewpoint expressed? That you believe the person you disagree with to not only be wrong but be of diminished mental capacity? To be suffering from a mental disorder?

    Could we post with reasoned arguments for disagreement and leave out the "wow" and "LOL" (actually, people have been good about LOL lately) and related Internet-slang embellishment?

    Good idea in theory, but “wow” can lead off a reasonable comment, whereas other problems like namecalling, over-dependence on official sources, and wall-of-text’ing are worse.
    That being said, such erudite, very jurisprudence. Golf clap.

  163. @Daniel Chieh

    Heroin addicts steal everything thats not nailed down and ruin the quality of life in a neighborhood. Trust me on this, I’m from ground zero in the heroin epidemic (white, blue collar Philly) and it has been devastating to our community and not just for the junkies.
     
    Most posters here do not seem to have any experience with them, or users of hard drugs in general; they largely cease to engage in what we would consider as rational processing. Studies of the brain can show that heroine essentially wrecks the reward system within minutes; extensive use essentially hacks it as surely as an experimental rat dehydrating to death because it can keep hitting a lever to stimulate its striatum.

    Even high functioning individuals who get addicted are not pretty and often demonstrate even worse behavior as they will continue to hold down jobs, etc, while actively engaging in methods to increase his addiction. Vendors of such are ultimately pond scum and I rarely use that word, but after knowing people who have gotten thirteen year old girls pregnant three times and beat them into miscarriage, force them into underage pornography and oh, just generally beat them daily because why not, its good to see that iSteve commentators feel the desire to root for them.

    Death penalty for big time dealers of hard drugs. Ten years exile for small scale dealers…we contract with an African nation to take them in. Or maybe Honduras. For addicts we construct a large boot camp style rehab in Alaska.

  164. @Pat Boyle
    OT

    One aspect not mentioned in the media accounts of the March From Honduras is race.

    Here in Oakland we have never had very many Mexican illegals. Most of the guys I picked up off the street to weed my front yard were not Mexica or Azteca - they were Mayans from further south. They're all gone now of course since Trump was elected. But a year or two ago the yard workers hardly spoke anymore Spanish than I do. They spoke some incomprehensible Mayan tongue.

    There's a history lesson there. When Cortez conquered Mexico, he did it with a just a smattering of Spaniards. Guns. armor and steel certainly helped but his best ally was diplomatic. Virtually every group that surrounded the Aztecs were only too glad to help him in his conquests. Here's why.

    Cortez would ask the non-Aztecs for help and they asked him one question in return. "Do you want to eat us?"

    Thus was a continent subdued by a handful of Europeans. The Mayans now marching north towards America remember that Europeans treated them better than the Mexicans did.

    Most of the guys I picked up off the street to weed my front yard

    And nobody needs to tell you about this, right?

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    I'm a semi invalid. I fell off a cliff and was house bound for a year. That was decade ago when I was 65. My front and back yards are so steep no one can stand on them unassisted.

    So yes, I hired illegal aliens. I used to do everything myself but not recently.

    Please preach elsewhere.
  165. @Daniel Chieh

    To be fair I wouldn’t want a homeless shelter of addicts of any race near where I live, but would these Chinese have opposed a homeless shelter for Asian refugees and asylum seekers? I say not likely and they probably would have welcomed them.
     
    A tent city? No.

    You overestimate Chinese tribalism, which is vanishingly small. This is something the Chinese mourn, but of course never changes because its deeply rooted(why do you think that HK dislike mainlanders, dislike Taiwanese, etc). There are equivalents of "old boy networks" but general ethnic unity is a pipe dream.

    I wouldn’t say Chinese tribalism is small. Compared to Jews, blacks, or Subcons perhaps. But certainly not compared to NW Europeans in general. Admittedly, a low bar.

    Chinese actually formed a separatist ethnically-based country Singapore. Yes, there is a degree of multiculturalism there, but that’s just pragmatism, if they had exiled all non-Chinese, they would have faced sanctions and probably been destroyed militarily.

    Whites had ample opportunity to do the same on the Western Cape. They had a powerful military. They where still doing business with countries like Japan. They did not though because they weren’t as united as the Chinese had been.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Singapore might be an example of an ethnically aware country, but they still have slots specifically given to ethnic minorities:

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/malay-woman-to-be-singapore-president/article19660569.ece


    Aiming to strengthen a sense of inclusivity in the multicultural country, Singapore had decreed the presidency would be reserved for candidates from the Malay community this time.

    Ms. Yacob’s experience as house speaker automatically qualified her under the nomination rules.

    Of the four other applicants, two were not Malays and two were not given certificates of eligibility, the elections department said.
     
    And there is a strong, probably almost certain chance that the next Prime Minister will be of ethnic Indian descent.
  166. @KenH
    To be fair I wouldn't want a homeless shelter of addicts of any race near where I live, but would these Chinese have opposed a homeless shelter for Asian refugees and asylum seekers? I say not likely and they probably would have welcomed them.

    With the Chinese and other non-whites compassion is reserved only for members of the in group. Compassion for other races is totally foreign to them. This doesn't bode well for whites when we become a minority with little political power. It also bodes very ill for the the perpetual victims and drama queens like the black race.

    Another point is these homeless whites probably have ancestors who've been in America for many generations while the Chinese of Irvine probably haven't been here more than two. So the white homeless have more right to Irvine, CA than the Chinese based on the "who was here first and longest rule" that leftists like to use against whites.

    Another point is these homeless whites probably have ancestors who’ve been in America for many generations while the Chinese of Irvine probably haven’t been here more than two. So the white homeless have more right to Irvine, CA than the Chinese based on the “who was here first and longest rule” that leftists like to use against whites.

    Plus these addict’s ancestors built America and fought and died in our wars. What have these just_parachuted_in_here Irvine Chinese done except provide dental services and open a few new Xiao Long Bao joints?

    • Replies: @KenH

    except provide dental services and open a few new Xiao Long Bao joints?
     
    And provide American church ladies with manicures and pedicures.
  167. @Saxon
    People vote their interests. If the coalition of the fringes party offers them free stuff at the host population's expense, they can try their best to avoid the ideological and social poz being pushed as long as they benefit. Which is exactly why the Islamics in places like Britain will vote Labour, or in Germany will vote for "leftist" parties but for example the Turks in Germany when they vote remotely for the Turkish election will vote for the most ultranationalist Islamic party possible.

    It's just racial nationalism and it's not really ideology.

    Islamics in the UK and Turks in Germany may get something but in the US it makes zero sense that Asians, East or South vote blue as they don’t get AA and in private elite universities are subject to institutionalized discrimination. They seem to vote for the same reasons CA Whites vote blue, hive-mind SJW mentality.

  168. @Charles Pewitt
    Pennsylvania woman Sharon Stone should have shown more restraint in her outward emotions when Putin started that "Blueberry Hill" crap. Sharon Stone melted like a delicious tub of Pennsylvania-made Turkey Hill ice cream left out in the sun too long. Frey is the name of the Pennsylvania guy who started that ice cream company; Germans again in Pennsylvania!

    Kurt Russell should have immediately poured some ice water on Stone to calm her down. Mel Gibson would have been laughing at Putin the politician hamming it up in such a manner.

    “Pennsylvania woman Sharon Stone should have shown more restraint in her outward emotions when Putin started that “Blueberry Hill” crap. Sharon Stone melted like a delicious tub of Pennsylvania-made Turkey Hill ice cream left out in the sun too long.”

    Can’t disagree about the delicious Sharon Stone but I’m tempted to give her a pass, as I do to my dog when she gets excited outside and runs right through her own poop.

    • LOL: Charles Pewitt
  169. @The Anti-Gnostic

    And yes, he was white. If you really wanted an HBD connection, he was also Italian and as he went insane, he became pretty obsessed with the mob-related history of his family.
     
    I drive past lots of schizoid homeless on my commutes. Some may be organically mentally ill but I think it's mostly drug use. Their brains are broken beyond our ability to repair them.

    I wonder about this with our new experiment in marijuana legalization. It's probably better than opioids but I don't think long-term use or effects on marginal people has been studied in much depth.

    I don’t think it’s going to end well. Modern pot is supposedly much stronger than that of times past. My aunt and uncle spent decades as social workers in a small European city and say that for most of their careers, alcohol was the main substance that was screwing up people’s lives. Now, as their careers are winding down, they’re seeing many potheads with severe mental illness who don’t even drink.

  170. @anon

    Humanity can look forward to the kindness, generosity and altruistic attitude of the Han Chinese in the interesting times ahead…
     
    Give me a break. If these protesters were middle class whites or German immigrants you'd be praising their "German sensibilities".

    Residents in homeless mecca Seattle are complaining that the homeless drug addicts are breaking into their homes, searching through their garbage, generating tons of garbage themselves, and discarding used needles all over the sidewalks. It's gotten to the point where you can't even let your kids play outside anymore, one minute you're not paying attention, and they could pick up a tainted discarded needle and stab themselves or each other.

    This whole notion of "good Christian" helping those "down on their lucks" by giving them endless food and shelter while they continue to do drugs is the height of stupidity. Thanks to all the shyster Jewish psychiatrists convincing the Obama admin that addiction is a "disability", now a growing army of junkies are collecting their disability checks to support their drug habits.

    These homeless bums are a menace and a danger to every community and need to be busted up and run out of town. F the libtards and the churches who want to bring them in. "Helping" people to become menace to society is unchristian in itself.

    GOD HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES.

    Give me a break. If these protesters were middle class whites or German immigrants you’d be praising their “German sensibilities”.

    You’re right. I would, because they would be middle class whites and German immigrants.

    Unfortunately, German sensibilities have been beaten out of middle class whites.

  171. @Ed
    Good for them. More people need to take their example. Let the libs in the media call you racist or whatever. If the government is attacking your livelihood and peace to promote some social engineering scheme, speak up.

    Good for them. More people need to take their example. Let the libs in the media call you racist or whatever. If the government is attacking your livelihood and peace to promote some social engineering scheme, speak up.

    Ed, I agree with you wholeheartedly; more people need to follow their example.

    Whatever happened to vagrancy enforcement in California? And when did it become legal to stand in center of the street, occasionally wondering out into the roadway at ones whim/pleasure?

    The number of aggressive homeless in the SF Bay Area has been rapidly increasing over the ~last half decade. The unpleasantness is just the start, blocking traffic – annoying, and the petty crime about the worst of it. I guess a little similar to the gypsies of Europe, perhaps less generational, more situational?

    Most of these aggressive homeless are to my dismay, white. Long ago, when the numbers were less numerous, I’d give a buck or two. Those days are long gone; I don’t want to give them any encouragement to continue with their, what now seems to have become an acceptable, chosen lifestyle.

    Just as an aside, I worked alongside several previously homeless whom a production manager had hired off the street (the only people she could get locally to work for $10Hr). This worked out fine; some staying almost 2yrs. But eventually, to a person, they all went back to the streets.

    Off that rant and back to the subject at hand. California is rolling out a new, relatively explicit, “reproductive education curriculum. There is included material that makes me blush, I can only imagine the teachers thoughts at having to present it. Anyway a group of parents got together with the last to weeks and put a dead stop to the new materials implementation in our district. The parents that organized the effort, and who put in all the time to “get the job done”, are East Indian; I was but a follower, lending modest support.

  172. @fred c dobbs
    No. Save for a tiny sprinkling, it was ALL Chinese. The Register's cub reporter-ette was conflating TWO protests......this one, and a standard general kvetch about immigrant "rights" nearby. You can guess who attended which.

    FYI - I lived in Irvine nearly 20 years, and am now next door. I have a pretty good idea of the place. People refer to it as Beige Mayberry (the beige referring to the ubiquitous stucco). That it may be, if you swapped out most of the European Whites. Neatly tucked into the Census Bureau's tally under "white" is a whole lot of folks, much like Steve's ESFV , whose ancestors hail from a number of neighboring countries with distinct gutteral languages. If pressed, I'd guess the Euro population of Irvine at about 25%. Walk into any CVS for anecdotal verification.

    You’ve a very verbose way of saying Irvine is a colony of invading Chinese.

    (I clarify for those unfamiliar with the area, as we are.)

  173. Anybody else get the feeling after reading that article that our future is hopeless?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    What really scares me about the Chinese is that they are smart enough to make unforgivably bad systems seem to work for them most of the time. Whereas whites make connections that become general principles (and disruptive civilizational improvements), the Chinese have an infinite capacity for ad-hoc exceptions (preserving as much as possible while tailoring little necessary gaps). If the Chinese came sooner we would still have prohibition.
    , @Kylie
    Yes.
  174. @songbird
    I wouldn't say Chinese tribalism is small. Compared to Jews, blacks, or Subcons perhaps. But certainly not compared to NW Europeans in general. Admittedly, a low bar.

    Chinese actually formed a separatist ethnically-based country Singapore. Yes, there is a degree of multiculturalism there, but that's just pragmatism, if they had exiled all non-Chinese, they would have faced sanctions and probably been destroyed militarily.

    Whites had ample opportunity to do the same on the Western Cape. They had a powerful military. They where still doing business with countries like Japan. They did not though because they weren't as united as the Chinese had been.

    Singapore might be an example of an ethnically aware country, but they still have slots specifically given to ethnic minorities:

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/malay-woman-to-be-singapore-president/article19660569.ece

    Aiming to strengthen a sense of inclusivity in the multicultural country, Singapore had decreed the presidency would be reserved for candidates from the Malay community this time.

    Ms. Yacob’s experience as house speaker automatically qualified her under the nomination rules.

    Of the four other applicants, two were not Malays and two were not given certificates of eligibility, the elections department said.

    And there is a strong, probably almost certain chance that the next Prime Minister will be of ethnic Indian descent.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Daniel,

    In Singapore the presidency is a merely ceremonial position.

    In Singapore this and all such other make show positions are surreptitiously doled out, as they should be, by the Chinese ascendancy.
    , @The Wobbly Guy
    That (s)elected Presidency thingy was actually a ploy by the ruling party to block the ascension of a contrary politician (Tan Cheng Bock) from winning the position in an open election by restricting it to a minority race on an ad hoc technicality. They burned a lot of political capital on that stunt, and even more when they disqualified several other Malays from running, even though these candidates were self-made men and infinitely more experienced in finance matters and hence suited to safeguarding our reserves than the actual winner, who had never run a business in her life.

    It was literally a life-and-death matter for the PAP, which makes many of us very suspicious about what's going on that they would be willing to make such a blatant move.

    As for Tharman, many Singaporeans are actually in favor, as he seems to be the few politicians from the ruling party with a clue, but the ruling party still seems stuck in the old racialist thinking that only a chinese politician can gain support to be PM.

    In Singapore, we just want competent leaders. No grandstanding please, and no kee-chiu (only locals will understand this reference).
  175. @Deleted Constituent
    Anybody else get the feeling after reading that article that our future is hopeless?

    What really scares me about the Chinese is that they are smart enough to make unforgivably bad systems seem to work for them most of the time. Whereas whites make connections that become general principles (and disruptive civilizational improvements), the Chinese have an infinite capacity for ad-hoc exceptions (preserving as much as possible while tailoring little necessary gaps). If the Chinese came sooner we would still have prohibition.

  176. @Tom Scarlett
    In this country, Jeffrey Goldberg's Atlantic is nostalgic for riots:
    The quiescence we have today is unsettling in its own way. For all their destructive power, the riots of the 1960's at least were bluntly honest, a message that the fight for equality had a long way to go...In the torrents was something like hope.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/02/matthew-desmond-riots/552542/

    What a terrifying and disgusting piece. Ignorant too, we have been plagued for years by police-assisted astroturf vandals popularizing sponsored messages, how had that guy missed that and the news is his job?
    What is “honest” about beating a man to death or stealing a color TV? What point do journalists need to cross before they are made sensible? This guy isn’t expressing a political opinion, he’s courageously calling for somebody else to murder and rob his ethnic rivals.
    Best answer: send to Goldberg, who loves Zionism so sincerely that he once fantasized about joining the IDF, some pictures of honest, purifying Palestinian riots.

  177. Anonymous[242] • Disclaimer says:

    Imagine if White communities had tried to do this back in the 80s. The Usual Suspects would have shut it down fast, and Whites would have submissively accepted it.

    But when Latinos, Asians, or Blacks use harsh measures to defend their territory, the Usual Suspects couldn’t care less.

    They were always anti-White. And they won. Those White communities are dead forever.

  178. Hi Steve, FYI Chinese people never refer to that guy as Qin Shi Huangdi, it is always Qin Shi Huang, literally means Qin the first emperor (or Qin Huang, like in one of Mao’s poem). Qin Shi Huangdi is kind of like Qin the first emperor emperor because Huang and Di both means emperor. I know the common term in Western text is Qin Shi Huangdi but it is not correct.

    • Replies: @Silva
    According to Wikipedia, Qín Shǐ Huángdì is correct (though the last word is indeed 2 different imperial titles glued), and omitting "dì" is a common shortening. I find it plausible you may know better than what's in that article, but I'd like some extra explaining in that case.
  179. @schnellandine
    My adult cousin was wrecked by drugs. Not once did I think of being pissed at anyone before her in the supply line. She jumped off the cliff; not going to blame gravity for the outcome.

    My adult cousin was wrecked by drugs. Not once did I think of being pissed at anyone before her in the supply line.

    This is the Chinese attitude towards opiates.

    Appears they don’t much like white junkies either though.

  180. Anonymous[612] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    For a long time Republicans were associated with brain-dead evangelical Christianity. Striving people who want their daughter to be a neurosurgeon and ace the MCAT don’t want her taught creationism in school.
     
    First, does it really matter whether you study Darwin in school? For most majors you don't even need to know who Darwin was. So I don't understand Asians balking at the GOP because of this issue.

    Second, if Asians are so consumed with education and getting into the right schools, then what would (or should) be the bigger issue to them; a class in creationism that their precious kid might have to take, or their kid getting rejected by some university in favor of some NAM? It seems to be a no brainer that Asians detest AA and how it curtails their slots at good universities. If Asians are so smart as to equate the GOP with "brain-dead evangelical Christianity", why can't they equate the democrats as the "black party" with never-ending affirmative action at their expense?

    No, it seems the Asians have some other reasons for voting democrat.

    The positions of the two parties, and perceptions of those positions, are not fixed but can change over time. In the Mondale/Dukakis/Jackson era Democrats were seen as the soft on crime party and Asians – who in those days were much more concentrated in inner cities – supported Republicans. Then in the Clinton era through Obama’s first election the Democrats pivoted to ending welfare as we know it and putting more cops on the street. Hillary Clinton even called young gangstas “superpredators.” Meanwhile Republicans went all in on creationism and Christianity. In that era Asians switched to being more Democrats. In our own time Democrats have once again become soft on crime and Trump is certainly post-Christian when boning pornstars so we’ll see what the fallout is.

    Anyway, I suppose you were fishing for the answer that Asians are voting Democratic because they hate white people? Well maybe so, but as with another group that supposedly hates white people they have a strange way of showing it, what with giving their kids names like Madison and Brian, moving to suburbs, and even getting cosmetic surgery to reshape their eyes.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    Meanwhile Republicans went all in on creationism and Christianity.
     
    Why would this be a problem with Asians across the board? Even hindus must realize this is part of the Christian world. And many Asians such as Koreans and Filipinos are Christians.

    As for creationism, what gives with this? Can creationism really be that much of a bogey man? I stated earlier the overwhelming majority of people do not need to study Darwin as it will have zero effect upon their career or major. I never took a class in creationism or on Darwin. I think in my biology class we studied Gregor Mendel more.

    But what if I were forced to take a creationist class? Will that do any more harm on me than being forced to take a class on white privilege?
  181. @Barnard
    Based on this quote, it sounds like that is what he decided. This must be an mental flaw with artistic types. They can see firsthand how destructive drug use is for other people close to them, but still start doing drugs because they think it enhances their art.

    The reason Miles used heroin was because he believed it made him play better. His example for this was Parker who Miles said "played his ass off after he got high" The idea became common in jazz circles that if you took heroin you might be able to play like Bird and become as famous and as hip as he was.
     

    Wouldn’t surprise me really. Heroin loosens you up a lot, helps you enjoy life and love your fellow man, and releases your inner artist. Unfortunately, I only know all of this second-hand.

  182. @Daniel Chieh

    Heroin addicts steal everything thats not nailed down and ruin the quality of life in a neighborhood. Trust me on this, I’m from ground zero in the heroin epidemic (white, blue collar Philly) and it has been devastating to our community and not just for the junkies.
     
    Most posters here do not seem to have any experience with them, or users of hard drugs in general; they largely cease to engage in what we would consider as rational processing. Studies of the brain can show that heroine essentially wrecks the reward system within minutes; extensive use essentially hacks it as surely as an experimental rat dehydrating to death because it can keep hitting a lever to stimulate its striatum.

    Even high functioning individuals who get addicted are not pretty and often demonstrate even worse behavior as they will continue to hold down jobs, etc, while actively engaging in methods to increase his addiction. Vendors of such are ultimately pond scum and I rarely use that word, but after knowing people who have gotten thirteen year old girls pregnant three times and beat them into miscarriage, force them into underage pornography and oh, just generally beat them daily because why not, its good to see that iSteve commentators feel the desire to root for them.

    And yet some (many!) people never become addicted–moreover this is true for every ‘addictive’ drug. Studying why this is might actually improve the knowledge on the topic.

    • Replies: @Dr.Benway
    People are using the word addict too loosely. In medicine it has a more precise meaning. Some drugs eg. morphine will cause a physical dependence if taken regularly and over time by a patient and that patient will likely suffer withdrawal symptoms if the drug is suddenly stopped but this does not mean he was an addict.
    Addict actually has the meaning of someone who has an uncontrollable compulsion to take a drug whether it causes a physical dependence like morphine or where there is no physical dependence like cocaine. It must be an uncontrollable compulsion otherwise the person is just a user even if they have a physical dependence. Some drugs used for hypertension also cause a physical dependence but we don't refer to people with high blood pressure as addicts.

    Opiate addiction has not really been studied and if we stopped with this idea that people who take them are criminals (for violating some tax law) and sent to prison and just allowed people to buy drugs at a pharmacy without a prescription there would be little problem.
    All of that tax money wasted by the DEA to harass citizens as well as physicians could be used for research into medicines that can reverse addiction without causing another addiction eg. methadone which is just as substitution of one opioid for another.
    There is a medicine that will cure opiate addiction(it seems to work for alcohol as well) but no one is using it. The treatment is only a week and doesn't require any 'willpower' or attending meetings for life and is purely chemical.
  183. @jimmyriddle
    The Labour MP for Bradford West actually posted this tribute to Winnie Mandela:

    https://i0.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/NAZ.png

    https://order-order.com/2018/04/03/naz-shah-deletes-unfortunate-winnie-tribute/

    Necklaces…such fine jewelry…coming soon to a ‘hood near you…

  184. @Daniel Chieh
    If I seem to overreact, its because hard drugs and their peddlers are one of the few(perhaps only?) thing that really send me off a cliff. Its one thing to have been personally harmed or threatened, but when one has lost loved ones or been had loved ones harmed by such individuals, I am not even sure if rationality is the appropriate response.

    I’ve been personally harmed by Asians a few times. How should I respond?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Presumably by being unable to distinguish them from mentally damaged criminals who have killed people?
  185. @Daniel Chieh
    I believe it's called "not having slums in your immediate neighborhood" whilst most Sailer commentators cannot see past their two minute hate or wonder why specifically a liberal rag is focusing on them (written by an Asian writer, Anh Do, focused on criticizing her co-ethnics).

    Oh, then let me clarify. I like Asians. I despise a lot of Asian policies. The main thing I have in mind is Chinese in Malaysia trying go get out of a pogrom by bribing the progromists, who are happy to take the money and then attack the Chinese anyway. Protesting unrestrained immigration into one’s own personal neighborhood while supporting it on a larger level is so self-explanatorily stupid that it takes a master’s degree to make it make sense. I don’t want slums in their neighborhood, or in mine, nor do I want Chinese kids beaten and robbed in some ghetto public school because their neighborhood is a slum. Democrats want all of that.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    I voted Trump but I think the system is designed to fail at this point. I certainly don't support any pro-immigration policies but I doubt anything can change in a world where Trump twitters about the terrible injustices committed to DACA kids and a photo ID is required to pick up a printout at Office Depot, but is too difficult for a voter to have.

    If this was fiction, the readers would mock it as being too ridiculous.
  186. @Frank the Prof
    "colonizing Irvine and stealing it from Whites."

    According to wiki, Irvine has doubled in population from 1990 to now. In 1990 it was 78% White. In the 2010 census it was 50% White, so it's probably about 40% now. It seems that it isn't Whites moving out as much as Asians moving in.

    So the all the new immigrants seem to be to the right of Attila, but then why are they all voting blue? Irvine went 88% Hillary in 2016.

    So the all the new immigrants seem to be to the right of Attila, but then why are they all voting blue? Irvine went 88% Hillary in 2016.

    Once third-worlders have been in the country for awhile, they learn that it’s heaven for minority gibsmedats, and quickly get in line for their share of the gravy train. This is if they didn’t already know it, as if it weren’t most of the reason they ‘migrated’ in the first place.

    So yeah, Hillary and not Trump.

    • Replies: @Frank the Prof
    How does this explain how Hillary carried Huntington Beach at 77% White?
  187. @songbird
    It would be an interesting alternative history, if the Chinese had discovered America. I suppose they would not have used black slaves, but Asian ones. But if they had used blacks? No doubt, a much different outcome.

    It would be an interesting alternative history, if the Chinese had discovered America. I suppose they would not have used black slaves, but Asian ones. But if they had used blacks? No doubt, a much different outcome.

    If they had used black slaves, they’d still be slaves. Same if they’d used Asian slaves, actually.

    The Anglo-American mentality–so thoroughly disparaged by privileged minorities and third-worlders–is the sole and only reason slavery was ever abolished anywhere.

    • Replies: @myself
    It should be pointed out that the more general Asian (Han/Mongolian/Manchurian/Japanese) pattern of dealing with troublesome peoples was not enslavement, but rather extermination.
  188. Given that we constantly hear Jews blather on about how they stand “shoulder to shoulder” with the vulnerable and deprived( their religion commands it! ), I expect to hear about some Jew vs ching chong rumbles breaking out,as they seek to welcome the stranger. Anytime,now.
    PS: I shant write what I want to say,but do our Asian friends ever miss the old country? Wanna go back?

  189. …which many argued don’t belong in their famously clean, safe, family-oriented planned community.

    What’s Chinese for “NIMBY”?

    • Replies: @The Wobbly Guy
    不在我后院
    Bu2 Zai4 Wo3 Hou4 Yuan4

    I think the following factors contribute to the Asian (chinese) support for Dems:

    1. Attitude - chinese are relatively politically apathetic, and not driven to debates, especially when the issue fr removed from them. Abortion, gun rights? Not really a bread-and-butter issue in their upscale gated(?) communities on the coasts. On the issue of abortion, for example, chinese are probably pragmatic - if cannot support the baby, abort it ASAP, dun waste time.

    2. Media - go with the flow.

    3. Sticking it to the white man - I think more or less there's still something along these lines, and since the Repubs are portrayed as a bastion of whiteness by the media, the Asian perception of the Repubs also follows suit.
  190. @nebulafox
    There's this, too. Naturally, this tendency is most intense with mainlanders over a certain age, who remember a time where flapping your gums and not toeing the party line was liable to get you a struggle session at best. It's not as if our ruling elite is subtle about the line they want to broadcast to all those who want to be part of the professional class, of which you can pretty much include the majority of post-1970s Chinese immigrants.

    I've noticed that South Asians are a lot more comfortable with getting involved in politics. Different history? Sort of reminds me of the difference between the highly "anti-political" Germans (despite being second to none in terms of intellectual radicalism and many having fled the crushing of the '48 revolutions... but it was more aesthetics related than the Chinese, the memory of the Thirty Year's War not withstanding. "A political person is repulsive"...) and the extraordinarily political Irish, the two main immigrant ethnic groups of a different era.

    On Obama: him reliably siding with the conservative wing of the Democratic Party on most economic issues early in his term probably helped matters among the gentry class members. Though again, the GOP really screwed the pooch in 2012 with an election they could have won, much as the Dems did in 2004. Another factor might have been evangelical Christianity either declining with immigrants, or declining with the GOP.

    Chinese tend to have personalities that make them suitable for being breadwinners but they are not very charismatic or adventurous. Those who become lawyers though have the personalities to become politicians; I can’t think of many Chinese[-“American”] politicians who weren’t lawyers first.

    I suspect the same is true of South Asians, but South Asians know they are able to game the system and so are trying to use it to their advantage. Chinese are focused more on education and career goals.

  191. @Daniel Chieh
    Singapore might be an example of an ethnically aware country, but they still have slots specifically given to ethnic minorities:

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/malay-woman-to-be-singapore-president/article19660569.ece


    Aiming to strengthen a sense of inclusivity in the multicultural country, Singapore had decreed the presidency would be reserved for candidates from the Malay community this time.

    Ms. Yacob’s experience as house speaker automatically qualified her under the nomination rules.

    Of the four other applicants, two were not Malays and two were not given certificates of eligibility, the elections department said.
     
    And there is a strong, probably almost certain chance that the next Prime Minister will be of ethnic Indian descent.

    Daniel,

    In Singapore the presidency is a merely ceremonial position.

    In Singapore this and all such other make show positions are surreptitiously doled out, as they should be, by the Chinese ascendancy.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    It may be symbolic, but symbolic things hold value in what they are supposed to advertise. This is also, for example, why destroying Confederate statues in and of itself has great meaning in terms of what it says of the present culture.
  192. @Daniel Chieh
    Singapore might be an example of an ethnically aware country, but they still have slots specifically given to ethnic minorities:

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/malay-woman-to-be-singapore-president/article19660569.ece


    Aiming to strengthen a sense of inclusivity in the multicultural country, Singapore had decreed the presidency would be reserved for candidates from the Malay community this time.

    Ms. Yacob’s experience as house speaker automatically qualified her under the nomination rules.

    Of the four other applicants, two were not Malays and two were not given certificates of eligibility, the elections department said.
     
    And there is a strong, probably almost certain chance that the next Prime Minister will be of ethnic Indian descent.

    That (s)elected Presidency thingy was actually a ploy by the ruling party to block the ascension of a contrary politician (Tan Cheng Bock) from winning the position in an open election by restricting it to a minority race on an ad hoc technicality. They burned a lot of political capital on that stunt, and even more when they disqualified several other Malays from running, even though these candidates were self-made men and infinitely more experienced in finance matters and hence suited to safeguarding our reserves than the actual winner, who had never run a business in her life.

    It was literally a life-and-death matter for the PAP, which makes many of us very suspicious about what’s going on that they would be willing to make such a blatant move.

    As for Tharman, many Singaporeans are actually in favor, as he seems to be the few politicians from the ruling party with a clue, but the ruling party still seems stuck in the old racialist thinking that only a chinese politician can gain support to be PM.

    In Singapore, we just want competent leaders. No grandstanding please, and no kee-chiu (only locals will understand this reference).

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    I don't know enough about Singapore to know if Tharman should or shouldn't be PM - but it's pretty evident by the support he has that the idea that Singapore could never have a non-Han PM is dubious.

    And last I heard from a Singapore friend, his support was very solid. SCMP, which is Hong Kong-based, also put out several pieces supporting him.

    It certainly didn't seem like his proponents are fringe, that's for certain.

  193. @Reg Cæsar

    ...which many argued don’t belong in their famously clean, safe, family-oriented planned community.
     
    What's Chinese for "NIMBY"?

    不在我后院
    Bu2 Zai4 Wo3 Hou4 Yuan4

    I think the following factors contribute to the Asian (chinese) support for Dems:

    1. Attitude – chinese are relatively politically apathetic, and not driven to debates, especially when the issue fr removed from them. Abortion, gun rights? Not really a bread-and-butter issue in their upscale gated(?) communities on the coasts. On the issue of abortion, for example, chinese are probably pragmatic – if cannot support the baby, abort it ASAP, dun waste time.

    2. Media – go with the flow.

    3. Sticking it to the white man – I think more or less there’s still something along these lines, and since the Repubs are portrayed as a bastion of whiteness by the media, the Asian perception of the Repubs also follows suit.

  194. @Tiny Duck
    I don't. Think you know what diverse within the context of historical white supremacy

    I'm sure if one really thinks about it there is PLENTY of room in Montana, Wyoming and North & South Dakota to pitch their tents and such...........Why they could even dig latrines, get someone to deliver the welfare checks. and might even elect their own mayor and city councils............the possibilities are endless....the alternative is for ALL homeless advocates to take into their homes at least THREE homeless persons or maybe ONE family to feed, clothe and house ..........how simple is this ???

    OMG! A reply from Tiny Duck … THE Tiny Duck! I am not worthy!

    I feel a bit slighted, however, by getting a reply that is NOT a troll post. What gives? I thought I was SOMEBODY. Anyway, there’s no reason not to answer, so I’ll ask you if you have spent many nights in the freezing cold outside, TD. I don’t mean a week-long camping trip with your 20F bag and all your best equipment. I mean day in and day out.

    California has the best climate in the continental US, by a long shot. For a homeless guy, that is a big deal. Even the South does not compare, because you’ve got your skeeters, fleas, gnats, and chiggers bugging you for 4-5 months.

    I can’t speak for Briney Schmuck, hahahhaaa, but I am honored, good sir.

    • Replies: @Tiny Duck
    Dumb question

    The homeless people would be put in public housing or if need be billeted with over privileged families
    , @dr quibbler
    " ...sir." ? TD is male? Seems to enjoy all the attention. Very emotional and illogical...
  195. Anonymous[338] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    That's some next level 'It's impossible that anyone could be against Israeli actions it can only be irrational Jew-hating!'.

    The mural thing was also pretty mental, but being accused of anti-semitism for attending a Jewish cultural event hosted by an explicitly Jewish organisation takes the cake.

    That’s some next level ‘It’s impossible that anyone could be against Israeli actions it can only be irrational Jew-hating

    Being against Israeli actions but not being against Indonesian , Moroccan , Turkish ,Chinese ,Nigerian and Sudanese
    actions , to name just a few ,would be irrational Jew hating .

    Chinese occupation of Tibet and Xinyang_hundreds of thousands killed.
    Nigerian occupation of Biafra_2 million killed
    Sudanese occupation of Darfur_800,000 killex
    Indonesian occupation of Papua _500,000 killled
    Turkish occupation of Cyprus and Kurdistan_75,000 killed
    Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara_40,000 killed
    Israel_Palistinian conflict_23,000 killed.

    What other reason that the worst get totally ignored and the most benign gets more attention than all the rest combined?

  196. It seems unlikely than any Ohio or flyover junkie who has the sort of insurance that would pay for him to go to one of these drug cure spas in California would be the same sort of person who would live on the street in a tent. These are probably just natives from the area.

  197. @Anonymous
    Steve and a lot of commentators are oblivious to what a teachable moment this is.

    A common complaint found here towards middle class black people like Michelle Obama is that they take up "anti-anti" positions against good public order (for example, Michelle urging Obama throughout the White House years to support black suspects killed by policemen).

    Like the "anti-anti" Michelle, Steve and commentators here are not endorsing this flow of drug addicts and the dangerous camps they create, but they are opposing the efforts of a local community, who are of a different race, to get rid of the junkies. It comes down to tribal notions of race. The same racial tribalism that animates people like Michelle to indirectly support black criminality motivates Steve to indirectly side with white delinquents.

    That doesn't make what Michelle does right, but it gives right wing whites empathy for how the black middle class feels.

    Asians vote left here. They support section 8 in white neighborhoods. They support dumping Somalis in white communities. They are quick to slander and demean whites as racists. That’s the reality. And they support illegals as many illegals are their people.

    Asians have never sided with whites. Yes, Michelle Malkin does. But she’s an outcast in their community.

    I say, let’s replace those homeless with section 8 blacks and refugees from the Muslim world. It’s fair. Asians support those programs. Let them live with policies they vote for.

  198. @Mishra

    “Did you see how we created a presence to keep our neighborhoods safe?"

    “We had to go to defense mode to keep trouble away.”
     
    You know, there's something vaguely ironic about these protests by immigrants, but to save my soul I just can't put my finger on it.

    You know, there’s something vaguely ironic about these protests by immigrants, but to save my soul I just can’t put my finger on it.

    Try harder.

  199. @bjdubbs
    Not surprisingly, Irvine resident Kevin Drum says he would absolutely, 100% support a homeless shelter in Irvine except, shucks, his neighbors won't allow it. What can you do?

    Not surprisingly, Irvine resident Kevin Drum says he would absolutely, 100% support a homeless shelter in Irvine except, shucks, his neighbors won’t allow it. What can you do?

    Deport Kevin Drum to the south side of Chicago.

  200. @Daniel Chieh
    I believe it's called "not having slums in your immediate neighborhood" whilst most Sailer commentators cannot see past their two minute hate or wonder why specifically a liberal rag is focusing on them (written by an Asian writer, Anh Do, focused on criticizing her co-ethnics).

    Would it be too much trouble for you to construct a coherent post? I know you want to communicate something, but what you have written is indecipherable.

    • Replies: @Anon

    Would it be too much trouble for you to construct a coherent post?
     
    Haha, our Daniel is a gem.
  201. @Clyde

    Another point is these homeless whites probably have ancestors who’ve been in America for many generations while the Chinese of Irvine probably haven’t been here more than two. So the white homeless have more right to Irvine, CA than the Chinese based on the “who was here first and longest rule” that leftists like to use against whites.
     
    Plus these addict's ancestors built America and fought and died in our wars. What have these just_parachuted_in_here Irvine Chinese done except provide dental services and open a few new Xiao Long Bao joints?

    except provide dental services and open a few new Xiao Long Bao joints?

    And provide American church ladies with manicures and pedicures.

  202. @Deleted Constituent
    Anybody else get the feeling after reading that article that our future is hopeless?

    Yes.

  203. @anonymous
    The opiate addiction problem just keeps snowballing along, getting bigger and bigger. How many junkies and heavy users are there in the US? Is having a huge junkie population going to be the new reality? Are tent cities coming like it or not?

    There is no opiate ‘epidemic’ in the US. It’s just all the usual hysteria that began with the Chinese immigrants of the 1800’s. About a 1/3 of them were opium smokers and this was one of the things that Unions used to get the Exclusion Act passed. The fact of the matter was that opium wasn’t a problem at all and just made them better and more efficient clear headed workers compared to the whisky drinking Union members prone to accidents and disease.
    The US became a world power in the late 1800’s early 1900’s at a time when all drugs were uncontrolled and many people took opiates but it never hindered progress.
    Drug laws are of course unconstitutional so they were passed as tax laws which are constitutional eg Harrison Tax Act, Marijuana Tax Act

  204. @Mishra

    So the all the new immigrants seem to be to the right of Attila, but then why are they all voting blue? Irvine went 88% Hillary in 2016.
     
    Once third-worlders have been in the country for awhile, they learn that it's heaven for minority gibsmedats, and quickly get in line for their share of the gravy train. This is if they didn't already know it, as if it weren't most of the reason they 'migrated' in the first place.

    So yeah, Hillary and not Trump.

    How does this explain how Hillary carried Huntington Beach at 77% White?

    • Replies: @Mishra
    It doesn't, of course. It explains why this particular group tended to support Hillary.
    There are other groups--and other people--with other reasons.

    As a sort of neat analogy, people's heads explode when they encounter people who voted for Trump but whose second choice (or even first choice) would have been Bernie Sanders. I've seen it first-hand ;)

  205. @The Wobbly Guy
    That (s)elected Presidency thingy was actually a ploy by the ruling party to block the ascension of a contrary politician (Tan Cheng Bock) from winning the position in an open election by restricting it to a minority race on an ad hoc technicality. They burned a lot of political capital on that stunt, and even more when they disqualified several other Malays from running, even though these candidates were self-made men and infinitely more experienced in finance matters and hence suited to safeguarding our reserves than the actual winner, who had never run a business in her life.

    It was literally a life-and-death matter for the PAP, which makes many of us very suspicious about what's going on that they would be willing to make such a blatant move.

    As for Tharman, many Singaporeans are actually in favor, as he seems to be the few politicians from the ruling party with a clue, but the ruling party still seems stuck in the old racialist thinking that only a chinese politician can gain support to be PM.

    In Singapore, we just want competent leaders. No grandstanding please, and no kee-chiu (only locals will understand this reference).

    I don’t know enough about Singapore to know if Tharman should or shouldn’t be PM – but it’s pretty evident by the support he has that the idea that Singapore could never have a non-Han PM is dubious.

    And last I heard from a Singapore friend, his support was very solid. SCMP, which is Hong Kong-based, also put out several pieces supporting him.

    It certainly didn’t seem like his proponents are fringe, that’s for certain.

  206. @Daniel Chieh
    I've always thought that Obama was the major watershed moment based on this article:

    http://prospect.org/article/how-asian-americans-became-democrats-0

    https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/

    ’92 – 1% of voters – 31 Clinton 55 Bush 15 Perot
    ’96 – 1% of voters – 44 Clinton 48 Dole 8 Perot
    ’00 – 2% of voters – 55 Gore 41 Bush 2 Nader 1 Buchanan
    ’04 – 2% of voters – 56 Kerry 43 Bush
    ’08 – 2% of voters – 62 Obama 35 McCain
    ’12 – 3% of voters – 73 Obama 26 Romney
    ’16 – 4% of voters – 65 Clinton 27 Trump 8 other

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Thank you for the numbers. Surprised that so many of us voted for the Inventor of the Internet.
  207. @Dan Hayes
    Daniel,

    In Singapore the presidency is a merely ceremonial position.

    In Singapore this and all such other make show positions are surreptitiously doled out, as they should be, by the Chinese ascendancy.

    It may be symbolic, but symbolic things hold value in what they are supposed to advertise. This is also, for example, why destroying Confederate statues in and of itself has great meaning in terms of what it says of the present culture.

    • Agree: Autochthon, Dan Hayes
  208. Speaking of homeless: NYC to Broome: SOTA allegations ‘patently false’

    In a scathing letter on Tuesday, New York City called out Broome County Executive Jason Garnar for saying that the city is illegally sending homeless families to relocate in Broome, describing the allegation as “patently false.”

    The letter, from Steven Banks, the commissioner of the New York City Department of Social Services, comes a week after Garnar, at a press conference, said New York City had used its Special One Time Assistance (SOTA) program to transfer five homeless families to the county, burdening Broome taxpayers.
    …………
    Under SOTA, New York City helps find permanent housing for homeless households and pays for the first year of the family’s rent. To qualify, a household has to show it has income from employment, Social Security, or Supplemental Security Income (SSI), and will be able to pay its rent after the first year.

    And when they stop paying? Do they get sent back to NYC??

  209. @J.Ross
    Oh, then let me clarify. I like Asians. I despise a lot of Asian policies. The main thing I have in mind is Chinese in Malaysia trying go get out of a pogrom by bribing the progromists, who are happy to take the money and then attack the Chinese anyway. Protesting unrestrained immigration into one's own personal neighborhood while supporting it on a larger level is so self-explanatorily stupid that it takes a master's degree to make it make sense. I don't want slums in their neighborhood, or in mine, nor do I want Chinese kids beaten and robbed in some ghetto public school because their neighborhood is a slum. Democrats want all of that.

    I voted Trump but I think the system is designed to fail at this point. I certainly don’t support any pro-immigration policies but I doubt anything can change in a world where Trump twitters about the terrible injustices committed to DACA kids and a photo ID is required to pick up a printout at Office Depot, but is too difficult for a voter to have.

    If this was fiction, the readers would mock it as being too ridiculous.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    I think we cannot get on that track. Either we win because we're the sane ones or we do a remnant church thing because we're the sane ones, which amounts to the same thing. At absolute worst we clear out garbage and reconsolidate, but, much more likely, we have some reform. The legacy media is spamming Trump hate constantly and accomplishing nothing because of the number of people already awake.
  210. @snorlax
    https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/

    '92 - 1% of voters - 31 Clinton 55 Bush 15 Perot
    '96 - 1% of voters - 44 Clinton 48 Dole 8 Perot
    '00 - 2% of voters - 55 Gore 41 Bush 2 Nader 1 Buchanan
    '04 - 2% of voters - 56 Kerry 43 Bush
    '08 - 2% of voters - 62 Obama 35 McCain
    '12 - 3% of voters - 73 Obama 26 Romney
    '16 - 4% of voters - 65 Clinton 27 Trump 8 other

    Thank you for the numbers. Surprised that so many of us voted for the Inventor of the Internet.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    Clinton and Gore had many friends in the PRC:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

    At any rate, it does not surprise me that East Asians are willing to pursue their own interests at the expense of other groups' interests. Nor does it surprise me (anymore) that so many whites are driven by pathological altruism to undercut their own kind.

    The bottom line is that diversity is bad for everyone, and worst for whites.

    I mentioned the other day that I had a negative reaction to looking at David Reich's picture, because he reminded me of someone I knew in real life. I didn't mention that I ran into that person on Good Friday. We didn't say anything to one another, but I overheard him make what I thought was a rather offensive anti-Christian joke: "So, is Sunday the day that Jesus comes out of his cave to give colored eggs to all the good little boys and girls? Or is that the Easter Bunny?"

    Ironically, when I heard that joke, I thought of the other guy I mentioned the other day - the one who looks a lot like Gary Oldman. He's an evangelical Christian who has nothing but praise for Israel. His admiration for Judaism is second-to-none. (The other notable aspect of his personality is his jock-sniffing. He can't get enough of the big strong affletes.) I would bet that, if that guy overheard that joke - an expression of pure contempt for Christianity - he would immediately find some reason to excuse it.

    Lest you think that this is merely a gratuitous anti-Semitic post, let me add that I routinely hear Cuban Catholics disparage Protestant Anglos - not on religious grounds, but on ethnic ones. I hear all sorts of disparaging of whites from all sorts of different groups. I don't know too many whites who feel too comfortable disparaging others.

    Growing up down here, surrounded by Cubans and Jews (among others), I developed an understanding of both groups, and a certain appreciation for them, but I also gained an awareness that, however cordial my relations with them might be, they were not and never would be - never could be - my people. Unfortunately, I also gained an awareness that an awful lot of "my people" would just as soon see me and my kind - our kind - dead.

    My world is full of Others. All of them are trying to screw someone.

    Recently, an elderly Iranian lady I know told me, rather casually, about her efforts to persuade the insurance company to pay for much-needed repairs to her 25-year-old roof. She admitted that she shamelessly tried to blame all of the damage on Hurricane Irma, even though she knew full well that the roof had been leaking for years. She even feigned a tearful emotional breakdown while on the phone with the adjuster.

    I could have excoriated her for her efforts to defraud the insurance company, but instead I sat there politely, thinking of a plausible excuse to end the conversation. Mercifully, she ended it first.

    Some years ago, I was deeply disturbed when my cousin - my mother's sister's daughter - ended up with a black guy. (They now have two kids.)

    Her own father was from rural Georgia. She waited a long time to tell her wealthy paternal grandfather about her new husband, lest he disown her. (In the end, he found out, and was upset, but he did not cut her out of his will.) She routinely disparaged her relatives as a bunch of racist hicks whose idea of a fun Saturday night was going to Wal-Mart ... but she was happy to take their money.

    Our shared grandparent - my maternal grandmother, also quite wealthy - went out of her way to show support for the pairing. Indeed, she was the reason they got married - she objected to their "living in sin." (I suspect that, even at that early date, her judgment was already compromised by Alzheimer's.)

    My mother was the only relative who objected (very quietly) to the pairing on racial grounds. She has long despised my cousin for various reasons that I will not go into here. Suffice it to say that my cousin is bipolar, and my mother has ... issues.

    Every time I think of my cousin's "race treachery," I feel slightly sad.

    A couple of years ago, she called me after a drunken binge and tearfully admitted that she really wasn't happy being with a black guy. She indicated that she still loved her penultimate boyfriend - a Cuban. She confessed that the reason they broke up was that she got pregnant and unilaterally decided to have an abortion. After he found out, he walked out. The black guy was nothing more than a semi-serious rebound. But my grandmother strongly pressured her to get married, and so she did.

    The black guy once admitted to me that, if he had known how seriously deranged my cousin truly was, he would have left her long before things got serious. He told me that he walked out on her once, shortly after the wedding. (At that time, she was still on cocaine.) She called him at his job and told him that, unless he came back, she would slash her wrists until her hands fell off, and that her blood would be on *his* hands. He came back. Shortly afterward, she became pregnant with their first child.

    So now they're both stuck, making the best of a bad situation. (How's that for a great interracial love story?)

    For various reasons not related to her mating practices, I am no longer on speaking terms with my cousin. My communications with her "side" of the family are conducted through a lawyer.

    Very few of my relatives are on speaking terms with each other. (My uncle - my mother's brother - has already vowed to boycott *his* mother's funeral.) Honestly, the only person I still think of as "family" is my mother.

    We are a micro example of the macro status of the white world as a whole - totally atomized, full of fear and (self-)loathing, bereft of any true emotional connection, scattered and alone.
  211. @Mishra
    I've been personally harmed by Asians a few times. How should I respond?

    Presumably by being unable to distinguish them from mentally damaged criminals who have killed people?

  212. @res

    Is it really true that many or most of the white junkies in SoCal are from the Midwest?
     
    I have never seen a good analysis of that question and would be very interested in the answer (anyone?).

    It is probably worth doing some finer analysis related to the questions of how the balance of that population compares to the overall balance in California. CA has many people from other states.

    Some information about migration between states:
    https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/geographic-mobility/state-to-state-migration.html
    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/upshot/mapping-migration-in-the-united-states-since-1900.html (cool infographics breaking down migration by both state and region in 1900, 1950, and 2012)

    That last link also has interesting graphics per state of where residents were born from 1900-2012: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/upshot/where-people-in-each-state-were-born.html#California
    Steve wrote about this the next day: http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-big-squeeze-the-decline-of-americas-california-dream/
    • Replies: @res
    Thanks. I even commented on that, but neglected to click through to the underlying article. Having just done that, it seems a bit long on anecdote and short on data. At least as far as the out of state aspect goes.
  213. @Mishra
    And yet some (many!) people never become addicted--moreover this is true for every 'addictive' drug. Studying why this is might actually improve the knowledge on the topic.

    People are using the word addict too loosely. In medicine it has a more precise meaning. Some drugs eg. morphine will cause a physical dependence if taken regularly and over time by a patient and that patient will likely suffer withdrawal symptoms if the drug is suddenly stopped but this does not mean he was an addict.
    Addict actually has the meaning of someone who has an uncontrollable compulsion to take a drug whether it causes a physical dependence like morphine or where there is no physical dependence like cocaine. It must be an uncontrollable compulsion otherwise the person is just a user even if they have a physical dependence. Some drugs used for hypertension also cause a physical dependence but we don’t refer to people with high blood pressure as addicts.

    Opiate addiction has not really been studied and if we stopped with this idea that people who take them are criminals (for violating some tax law) and sent to prison and just allowed people to buy drugs at a pharmacy without a prescription there would be little problem.
    All of that tax money wasted by the DEA to harass citizens as well as physicians could be used for research into medicines that can reverse addiction without causing another addiction eg. methadone which is just as substitution of one opioid for another.
    There is a medicine that will cure opiate addiction(it seems to work for alcohol as well) but no one is using it. The treatment is only a week and doesn’t require any ‘willpower’ or attending meetings for life and is purely chemical.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    There is a medicine that will cure opiate addiction(it seems to work for alcohol as well) but no one is using it. The treatment is only a week and doesn’t require any ‘willpower’ or attending meetings for life and is purely chemical.
     
    I assume that you're not referring to Antabuse?

    I'm curious to the mechanism of such medicine.

  214. @Daniel Chieh
    I voted Trump but I think the system is designed to fail at this point. I certainly don't support any pro-immigration policies but I doubt anything can change in a world where Trump twitters about the terrible injustices committed to DACA kids and a photo ID is required to pick up a printout at Office Depot, but is too difficult for a voter to have.

    If this was fiction, the readers would mock it as being too ridiculous.

    I think we cannot get on that track. Either we win because we’re the sane ones or we do a remnant church thing because we’re the sane ones, which amounts to the same thing. At absolute worst we clear out garbage and reconsolidate, but, much more likely, we have some reform. The legacy media is spamming Trump hate constantly and accomplishing nothing because of the number of people already awake.

  215. @Charles Pewitt
    The Chinese won't win the Scramble For America.

    The William the Conqueror that takes over the American Empire in the next few years will have to win over the Germans in the Great Lakes states and the Anglo-Celts in the Southern states. Remember, William had troops from Brittany and Flanders and other areas, besides Normans.

    President Trump has used the German Strategy and it worked. The German Strategy is to win over the Americans of German ancestry in the Great Lakes states while also winning the Anglo-Celts in the Southern states.

    Thankfully, Vladimir Putin convinced Hillary Clinton not to go to Wisconsin and campaign, and that helped Trump tremendously. As I type this, Hillary Clinton is in the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York, wondering why she listened to Putin's advice to not go to Wisconsin. Hillary thought it sounded good at the time.

    A story, perhaps apocryphal, says that Vladimir Putin sang "Blueberry Hill" to Hillary in English and it melted her baby boomer heart. Putin has a history of interfering and meddling in the proper functioning of female baby boomer hearts by singing "Blueberry Hill" in English. Putin used the "Blueberry Hill" horseshit on Sharon Stone and she went all all kinds of soppy in her nether regions for the Russian.

    I'll eat some blueberries to celebrate Autism Month; maybe listen to baby boomer David Byrne sing "People Like Us." Why did we allow a Scottish guy like Byrne write one of the best ever country songs?

    This comment was written in such a manner so as to attempt to replicate the pre-battle confusion of tactics and reaction that will occur as Civil War II breaks out. Once we get a critical mass of Germans and Anglo-Celts activated and fighting side by side, the recent invaders and foreigners will not stand a chance.

    If that other guy can solicit cash for Sailer in the style of Chaucer then I can try to prod White boobs towards fighting for their own interests in any writing style I choose.

    maybe listen to baby boomer David Byrne sing “People Like Us.” Why did we allow a Scottish guy like Byrne write one of the best ever country songs?

    You don’t listen to a lot of country music, do you?

    • Replies: @schnellandine
    Haven't heard the Byrne song, but reminds me of the Pointer Sisters (which I like) supposedly writing and recording a great country song, 'Fairytale'. It was... not good. Can't fake country.
  216. @Charles Pewitt
    The Chinese won't win the Scramble For America.

    The William the Conqueror that takes over the American Empire in the next few years will have to win over the Germans in the Great Lakes states and the Anglo-Celts in the Southern states. Remember, William had troops from Brittany and Flanders and other areas, besides Normans.

    President Trump has used the German Strategy and it worked. The German Strategy is to win over the Americans of German ancestry in the Great Lakes states while also winning the Anglo-Celts in the Southern states.

    Thankfully, Vladimir Putin convinced Hillary Clinton not to go to Wisconsin and campaign, and that helped Trump tremendously. As I type this, Hillary Clinton is in the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York, wondering why she listened to Putin's advice to not go to Wisconsin. Hillary thought it sounded good at the time.

    A story, perhaps apocryphal, says that Vladimir Putin sang "Blueberry Hill" to Hillary in English and it melted her baby boomer heart. Putin has a history of interfering and meddling in the proper functioning of female baby boomer hearts by singing "Blueberry Hill" in English. Putin used the "Blueberry Hill" horseshit on Sharon Stone and she went all all kinds of soppy in her nether regions for the Russian.

    I'll eat some blueberries to celebrate Autism Month; maybe listen to baby boomer David Byrne sing "People Like Us." Why did we allow a Scottish guy like Byrne write one of the best ever country songs?

    This comment was written in such a manner so as to attempt to replicate the pre-battle confusion of tactics and reaction that will occur as Civil War II breaks out. Once we get a critical mass of Germans and Anglo-Celts activated and fighting side by side, the recent invaders and foreigners will not stand a chance.

    If that other guy can solicit cash for Sailer in the style of Chaucer then I can try to prod White boobs towards fighting for their own interests in any writing style I choose.

    Byrne’s about as Scottish as Donald Trump.

  217. @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Would it be too much trouble for you to construct a coherent post? I know you want to communicate something, but what you have written is indecipherable.

    Would it be too much trouble for you to construct a coherent post?

    Haha, our Daniel is a gem.

  218. @Dr.Benway
    People are using the word addict too loosely. In medicine it has a more precise meaning. Some drugs eg. morphine will cause a physical dependence if taken regularly and over time by a patient and that patient will likely suffer withdrawal symptoms if the drug is suddenly stopped but this does not mean he was an addict.
    Addict actually has the meaning of someone who has an uncontrollable compulsion to take a drug whether it causes a physical dependence like morphine or where there is no physical dependence like cocaine. It must be an uncontrollable compulsion otherwise the person is just a user even if they have a physical dependence. Some drugs used for hypertension also cause a physical dependence but we don't refer to people with high blood pressure as addicts.

    Opiate addiction has not really been studied and if we stopped with this idea that people who take them are criminals (for violating some tax law) and sent to prison and just allowed people to buy drugs at a pharmacy without a prescription there would be little problem.
    All of that tax money wasted by the DEA to harass citizens as well as physicians could be used for research into medicines that can reverse addiction without causing another addiction eg. methadone which is just as substitution of one opioid for another.
    There is a medicine that will cure opiate addiction(it seems to work for alcohol as well) but no one is using it. The treatment is only a week and doesn't require any 'willpower' or attending meetings for life and is purely chemical.

    There is a medicine that will cure opiate addiction(it seems to work for alcohol as well) but no one is using it. The treatment is only a week and doesn’t require any ‘willpower’ or attending meetings for life and is purely chemical.

    I assume that you’re not referring to Antabuse?

    I’m curious to the mechanism of such medicine.

  219. @Daniel Chieh
    Thank you for the numbers. Surprised that so many of us voted for the Inventor of the Internet.

    Clinton and Gore had many friends in the PRC:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

    At any rate, it does not surprise me that East Asians are willing to pursue their own interests at the expense of other groups’ interests. Nor does it surprise me (anymore) that so many whites are driven by pathological altruism to undercut their own kind.

    The bottom line is that diversity is bad for everyone, and worst for whites.

    I mentioned the other day that I had a negative reaction to looking at David Reich’s picture, because he reminded me of someone I knew in real life. I didn’t mention that I ran into that person on Good Friday. We didn’t say anything to one another, but I overheard him make what I thought was a rather offensive anti-Christian joke: “So, is Sunday the day that Jesus comes out of his cave to give colored eggs to all the good little boys and girls? Or is that the Easter Bunny?”

    Ironically, when I heard that joke, I thought of the other guy I mentioned the other day – the one who looks a lot like Gary Oldman. He’s an evangelical Christian who has nothing but praise for Israel. His admiration for Judaism is second-to-none. (The other notable aspect of his personality is his jock-sniffing. He can’t get enough of the big strong affletes.) I would bet that, if that guy overheard that joke – an expression of pure contempt for Christianity – he would immediately find some reason to excuse it.

    Lest you think that this is merely a gratuitous anti-Semitic post, let me add that I routinely hear Cuban Catholics disparage Protestant Anglos – not on religious grounds, but on ethnic ones. I hear all sorts of disparaging of whites from all sorts of different groups. I don’t know too many whites who feel too comfortable disparaging others.

    Growing up down here, surrounded by Cubans and Jews (among others), I developed an understanding of both groups, and a certain appreciation for them, but I also gained an awareness that, however cordial my relations with them might be, they were not and never would be – never could be – my people. Unfortunately, I also gained an awareness that an awful lot of “my people” would just as soon see me and my kind – our kind – dead.

    My world is full of Others. All of them are trying to screw someone.

    Recently, an elderly Iranian lady I know told me, rather casually, about her efforts to persuade the insurance company to pay for much-needed repairs to her 25-year-old roof. She admitted that she shamelessly tried to blame all of the damage on Hurricane Irma, even though she knew full well that the roof had been leaking for years. She even feigned a tearful emotional breakdown while on the phone with the adjuster.

    I could have excoriated her for her efforts to defraud the insurance company, but instead I sat there politely, thinking of a plausible excuse to end the conversation. Mercifully, she ended it first.

    Some years ago, I was deeply disturbed when my cousin – my mother’s sister’s daughter – ended up with a black guy. (They now have two kids.)

    Her own father was from rural Georgia. She waited a long time to tell her wealthy paternal grandfather about her new husband, lest he disown her. (In the end, he found out, and was upset, but he did not cut her out of his will.) She routinely disparaged her relatives as a bunch of racist hicks whose idea of a fun Saturday night was going to Wal-Mart … but she was happy to take their money.

    Our shared grandparent – my maternal grandmother, also quite wealthy – went out of her way to show support for the pairing. Indeed, she was the reason they got married – she objected to their “living in sin.” (I suspect that, even at that early date, her judgment was already compromised by Alzheimer’s.)

    My mother was the only relative who objected (very quietly) to the pairing on racial grounds. She has long despised my cousin for various reasons that I will not go into here. Suffice it to say that my cousin is bipolar, and my mother has … issues.

    Every time I think of my cousin’s “race treachery,” I feel slightly sad.

    A couple of years ago, she called me after a drunken binge and tearfully admitted that she really wasn’t happy being with a black guy. She indicated that she still loved her penultimate boyfriend – a Cuban. She confessed that the reason they broke up was that she got pregnant and unilaterally decided to have an abortion. After he found out, he walked out. The black guy was nothing more than a semi-serious rebound. But my grandmother strongly pressured her to get married, and so she did.

    The black guy once admitted to me that, if he had known how seriously deranged my cousin truly was, he would have left her long before things got serious. He told me that he walked out on her once, shortly after the wedding. (At that time, she was still on cocaine.) She called him at his job and told him that, unless he came back, she would slash her wrists until her hands fell off, and that her blood would be on *his* hands. He came back. Shortly afterward, she became pregnant with their first child.

    So now they’re both stuck, making the best of a bad situation. (How’s that for a great interracial love story?)

    For various reasons not related to her mating practices, I am no longer on speaking terms with my cousin. My communications with her “side” of the family are conducted through a lawyer.

    Very few of my relatives are on speaking terms with each other. (My uncle – my mother’s brother – has already vowed to boycott *his* mother’s funeral.) Honestly, the only person I still think of as “family” is my mother.

    We are a micro example of the macro status of the white world as a whole – totally atomized, full of fear and (self-)loathing, bereft of any true emotional connection, scattered and alone.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    So now they’re both stuck, making the best of a bad situation. (How’s that for a great interracial love story?)

    2/5 - pretty mediocre for a BTCPTT story. Needs more black eyes and if marriage, there needs to be a divorce. Report back in a few years.

    , @Anonym
    We are a micro example of the macro status of the white world as a whole – totally atomized, full of fear and (self-)loathing, bereft of any true emotional connection, scattered and alone.

    It does suck and I hear you.

    It also may be a microcosm of the natural/artificial selection that is going on as we speak that I refer to from time to time. Looks like your mother may have gotten the ethnocentrism genes, you certainly do, and I hope you are having white children. Have a bunch. Meanwhile the more exogamous genes have found their way into the mystery meat.

    Over time the white people being born will be increasingly innately fashier and prone to endogomy. May these tough times make strong men.
    , @Daniel Chieh

    We are a micro example of the macro status of the white world as a whole – totally atomized, full of fear and (self-)loathing, bereft of any true emotional connection, scattered and alone.

     

    This indeed true and I can relate, as I often think about the fact that I have a brother somewhere in the world - pretty successful, and yet he neither knows that I have a family and a son, nor does he care. I believe that the diversity problem is a symptom of deeper issues, and ones that are ultimately intractable or at least, nontrivial. To quote myself from post 121:

    Modernity is fundamentally unnatural: it takes people away from a land-based economy, from the values that existed from a land-based economy, from family that developed from those values, from hopes and expectations that came with family, and ultimately physically from a distance from what remains from family.

    From an ecological perspective, we’ve destroyed our habitat. Its not surprising that so many of us go mad in some form or another.


    To which I think its worth elaborating further upon - ultimately a family is a type of construct, blood-related and instinctually driven to bond together. It is the most basic form of tribalism, if you wish to call it as such. The fact that it has basically failed in the new environment that we have created is a sign that as a species, we have completely and successfully wrecked our social environment. We could draw from the industrialization of society, which removed men from land and separated work from land; with that came the end of the domestic economy for women, with centralized production of goods and services once created by the domestic economy; we could note immigration not only from external agents but also internally as urbanization swiftly destroyed rural economies; we could note how automation and mechanization has largely destroyed craftsmanship as an individual quality; the inability to pass meaningful skills to one's children; we could go on forever.

    To this, I can link to one of the most influential philosophers to my thinking:
    https://jacobitemag.com/2017/06/06/atomization/



    Atomization has become an autonomous, inhuman agency, or at least, something ever more autonomous, and ever more inhuman. It can only liquidate everything you’ve ever cared about, by its very nature, so – of course – no one likes it. Catholicism, socialism, and nationalism have sought, in succession, coalition, or mutual competition, to rally the shards of violated community against it. The long string of defeat that ensued has been a rich source of cultural and political mythology. Because there is really no choice but to resist, battle has always been rejoined, but without any serious sign of any reversal of fortune.
     
    And of course, its ultimate success is indeed to effectively destroy even the substance that makes up biological family, and soon after the forms. Indeed, even the very thing that is family may be abolished soon by the technology of the artificial womb. All of this is destabilizing, but its gross psychological impact is not often evaluated and I think its evident that our minds were never really designed for this amount of constant fluidity and one of the ways to deal with the profound sense of unease is to pursue various methods of "immediate mood repair," a notion usually associated with studies on procrastination, but I think also applicable to larger groups. Such methods include the chemical, but also the ideological to which I find is the source of both left and rightish extremism.

    In reality, there is no Us anymore, there are only Others. Why wouldn't it be so? We've killed Us, because humans were never actually just individuals: we've killed Us when we killed the notion of a community. All that remains is the metaphorical shadowboxing.
  220. @Achmed E. Newman
    University of Caucasions Lost among Orientals?

    No, wait that doesn't work. That could work for the Uuniversity of Central and Lower Ohio , if there were one, but really, it works for the graduate schools of almost any US university at this point.

    UCLA = University of Caucasians Lost among Asians

  221. As long as China and India remain poor and very poor, respectively,
    they will keep flooding the United States with immigrants. China
    (GDP (PPP) per capita ~ $16,600) and India (~$7,700) are indeed
    quite poor compared to the United States (~$61,700), and are
    expected to remain much poorer than the U.S. in the foreseeable
    future. The old saw that China will get old before it gets rich remains
    as valid today as 20 years ago. What’s not helping is that both countries
    are extremely corrupt, and the immigrants bring their corrupt culture
    when they come here. In China, for example, bribing politicians is
    a national pastime, and Emperor Xi is unlikely to do anything about
    it.

    As the tensions with China are rising, one thing though could be done
    immediately. Students from Asia, primarily from China and India,
    have staged in the last decade a human wave attack on America’s
    universities. For example, the number of students from China alone
    has now risen to 330,000. The Asian students are displacing native-
    born Americans from science and engineering schools particularly,
    and from access to high-level mentoring and networking opportunities.
    The State Dept. knows that many of them are government-funded spies.
    Trump could put an end to it immediately by reducing the number of
    Chinese students allowed in this country by 90% on the grounds of
    national security.

  222. @Stan Adams
    Clinton and Gore had many friends in the PRC:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

    At any rate, it does not surprise me that East Asians are willing to pursue their own interests at the expense of other groups' interests. Nor does it surprise me (anymore) that so many whites are driven by pathological altruism to undercut their own kind.

    The bottom line is that diversity is bad for everyone, and worst for whites.

    I mentioned the other day that I had a negative reaction to looking at David Reich's picture, because he reminded me of someone I knew in real life. I didn't mention that I ran into that person on Good Friday. We didn't say anything to one another, but I overheard him make what I thought was a rather offensive anti-Christian joke: "So, is Sunday the day that Jesus comes out of his cave to give colored eggs to all the good little boys and girls? Or is that the Easter Bunny?"

    Ironically, when I heard that joke, I thought of the other guy I mentioned the other day - the one who looks a lot like Gary Oldman. He's an evangelical Christian who has nothing but praise for Israel. His admiration for Judaism is second-to-none. (The other notable aspect of his personality is his jock-sniffing. He can't get enough of the big strong affletes.) I would bet that, if that guy overheard that joke - an expression of pure contempt for Christianity - he would immediately find some reason to excuse it.

    Lest you think that this is merely a gratuitous anti-Semitic post, let me add that I routinely hear Cuban Catholics disparage Protestant Anglos - not on religious grounds, but on ethnic ones. I hear all sorts of disparaging of whites from all sorts of different groups. I don't know too many whites who feel too comfortable disparaging others.

    Growing up down here, surrounded by Cubans and Jews (among others), I developed an understanding of both groups, and a certain appreciation for them, but I also gained an awareness that, however cordial my relations with them might be, they were not and never would be - never could be - my people. Unfortunately, I also gained an awareness that an awful lot of "my people" would just as soon see me and my kind - our kind - dead.

    My world is full of Others. All of them are trying to screw someone.

    Recently, an elderly Iranian lady I know told me, rather casually, about her efforts to persuade the insurance company to pay for much-needed repairs to her 25-year-old roof. She admitted that she shamelessly tried to blame all of the damage on Hurricane Irma, even though she knew full well that the roof had been leaking for years. She even feigned a tearful emotional breakdown while on the phone with the adjuster.

    I could have excoriated her for her efforts to defraud the insurance company, but instead I sat there politely, thinking of a plausible excuse to end the conversation. Mercifully, she ended it first.

    Some years ago, I was deeply disturbed when my cousin - my mother's sister's daughter - ended up with a black guy. (They now have two kids.)

    Her own father was from rural Georgia. She waited a long time to tell her wealthy paternal grandfather about her new husband, lest he disown her. (In the end, he found out, and was upset, but he did not cut her out of his will.) She routinely disparaged her relatives as a bunch of racist hicks whose idea of a fun Saturday night was going to Wal-Mart ... but she was happy to take their money.

    Our shared grandparent - my maternal grandmother, also quite wealthy - went out of her way to show support for the pairing. Indeed, she was the reason they got married - she objected to their "living in sin." (I suspect that, even at that early date, her judgment was already compromised by Alzheimer's.)

    My mother was the only relative who objected (very quietly) to the pairing on racial grounds. She has long despised my cousin for various reasons that I will not go into here. Suffice it to say that my cousin is bipolar, and my mother has ... issues.

    Every time I think of my cousin's "race treachery," I feel slightly sad.

    A couple of years ago, she called me after a drunken binge and tearfully admitted that she really wasn't happy being with a black guy. She indicated that she still loved her penultimate boyfriend - a Cuban. She confessed that the reason they broke up was that she got pregnant and unilaterally decided to have an abortion. After he found out, he walked out. The black guy was nothing more than a semi-serious rebound. But my grandmother strongly pressured her to get married, and so she did.

    The black guy once admitted to me that, if he had known how seriously deranged my cousin truly was, he would have left her long before things got serious. He told me that he walked out on her once, shortly after the wedding. (At that time, she was still on cocaine.) She called him at his job and told him that, unless he came back, she would slash her wrists until her hands fell off, and that her blood would be on *his* hands. He came back. Shortly afterward, she became pregnant with their first child.

    So now they're both stuck, making the best of a bad situation. (How's that for a great interracial love story?)

    For various reasons not related to her mating practices, I am no longer on speaking terms with my cousin. My communications with her "side" of the family are conducted through a lawyer.

    Very few of my relatives are on speaking terms with each other. (My uncle - my mother's brother - has already vowed to boycott *his* mother's funeral.) Honestly, the only person I still think of as "family" is my mother.

    We are a micro example of the macro status of the white world as a whole - totally atomized, full of fear and (self-)loathing, bereft of any true emotional connection, scattered and alone.

    So now they’re both stuck, making the best of a bad situation. (How’s that for a great interracial love story?)

    2/5 – pretty mediocre for a BTCPTT story. Needs more black eyes and if marriage, there needs to be a divorce. Report back in a few years.

  223. @Frank the Prof
    How does this explain how Hillary carried Huntington Beach at 77% White?

    It doesn’t, of course. It explains why this particular group tended to support Hillary.
    There are other groups–and other people–with other reasons.

    As a sort of neat analogy, people’s heads explode when they encounter people who voted for Trump but whose second choice (or even first choice) would have been Bernie Sanders. I’ve seen it first-hand 😉

    • Replies: @Frank the Prof
    If he were the Democrat nominee, Bernie Sanders would have won in 2016.
  224. @Stan Adams
    Clinton and Gore had many friends in the PRC:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

    At any rate, it does not surprise me that East Asians are willing to pursue their own interests at the expense of other groups' interests. Nor does it surprise me (anymore) that so many whites are driven by pathological altruism to undercut their own kind.

    The bottom line is that diversity is bad for everyone, and worst for whites.

    I mentioned the other day that I had a negative reaction to looking at David Reich's picture, because he reminded me of someone I knew in real life. I didn't mention that I ran into that person on Good Friday. We didn't say anything to one another, but I overheard him make what I thought was a rather offensive anti-Christian joke: "So, is Sunday the day that Jesus comes out of his cave to give colored eggs to all the good little boys and girls? Or is that the Easter Bunny?"

    Ironically, when I heard that joke, I thought of the other guy I mentioned the other day - the one who looks a lot like Gary Oldman. He's an evangelical Christian who has nothing but praise for Israel. His admiration for Judaism is second-to-none. (The other notable aspect of his personality is his jock-sniffing. He can't get enough of the big strong affletes.) I would bet that, if that guy overheard that joke - an expression of pure contempt for Christianity - he would immediately find some reason to excuse it.

    Lest you think that this is merely a gratuitous anti-Semitic post, let me add that I routinely hear Cuban Catholics disparage Protestant Anglos - not on religious grounds, but on ethnic ones. I hear all sorts of disparaging of whites from all sorts of different groups. I don't know too many whites who feel too comfortable disparaging others.

    Growing up down here, surrounded by Cubans and Jews (among others), I developed an understanding of both groups, and a certain appreciation for them, but I also gained an awareness that, however cordial my relations with them might be, they were not and never would be - never could be - my people. Unfortunately, I also gained an awareness that an awful lot of "my people" would just as soon see me and my kind - our kind - dead.

    My world is full of Others. All of them are trying to screw someone.

    Recently, an elderly Iranian lady I know told me, rather casually, about her efforts to persuade the insurance company to pay for much-needed repairs to her 25-year-old roof. She admitted that she shamelessly tried to blame all of the damage on Hurricane Irma, even though she knew full well that the roof had been leaking for years. She even feigned a tearful emotional breakdown while on the phone with the adjuster.

    I could have excoriated her for her efforts to defraud the insurance company, but instead I sat there politely, thinking of a plausible excuse to end the conversation. Mercifully, she ended it first.

    Some years ago, I was deeply disturbed when my cousin - my mother's sister's daughter - ended up with a black guy. (They now have two kids.)

    Her own father was from rural Georgia. She waited a long time to tell her wealthy paternal grandfather about her new husband, lest he disown her. (In the end, he found out, and was upset, but he did not cut her out of his will.) She routinely disparaged her relatives as a bunch of racist hicks whose idea of a fun Saturday night was going to Wal-Mart ... but she was happy to take their money.

    Our shared grandparent - my maternal grandmother, also quite wealthy - went out of her way to show support for the pairing. Indeed, she was the reason they got married - she objected to their "living in sin." (I suspect that, even at that early date, her judgment was already compromised by Alzheimer's.)

    My mother was the only relative who objected (very quietly) to the pairing on racial grounds. She has long despised my cousin for various reasons that I will not go into here. Suffice it to say that my cousin is bipolar, and my mother has ... issues.

    Every time I think of my cousin's "race treachery," I feel slightly sad.

    A couple of years ago, she called me after a drunken binge and tearfully admitted that she really wasn't happy being with a black guy. She indicated that she still loved her penultimate boyfriend - a Cuban. She confessed that the reason they broke up was that she got pregnant and unilaterally decided to have an abortion. After he found out, he walked out. The black guy was nothing more than a semi-serious rebound. But my grandmother strongly pressured her to get married, and so she did.

    The black guy once admitted to me that, if he had known how seriously deranged my cousin truly was, he would have left her long before things got serious. He told me that he walked out on her once, shortly after the wedding. (At that time, she was still on cocaine.) She called him at his job and told him that, unless he came back, she would slash her wrists until her hands fell off, and that her blood would be on *his* hands. He came back. Shortly afterward, she became pregnant with their first child.

    So now they're both stuck, making the best of a bad situation. (How's that for a great interracial love story?)

    For various reasons not related to her mating practices, I am no longer on speaking terms with my cousin. My communications with her "side" of the family are conducted through a lawyer.

    Very few of my relatives are on speaking terms with each other. (My uncle - my mother's brother - has already vowed to boycott *his* mother's funeral.) Honestly, the only person I still think of as "family" is my mother.

    We are a micro example of the macro status of the white world as a whole - totally atomized, full of fear and (self-)loathing, bereft of any true emotional connection, scattered and alone.

    We are a micro example of the macro status of the white world as a whole – totally atomized, full of fear and (self-)loathing, bereft of any true emotional connection, scattered and alone.

    It does suck and I hear you.

    It also may be a microcosm of the natural/artificial selection that is going on as we speak that I refer to from time to time. Looks like your mother may have gotten the ethnocentrism genes, you certainly do, and I hope you are having white children. Have a bunch. Meanwhile the more exogamous genes have found their way into the mystery meat.

    Over time the white people being born will be increasingly innately fashier and prone to endogomy. May these tough times make strong men.

  225. @Daniel Chieh
    I grew up among the elite but I've spent a lot of time living with some of the poorest in society. This has given me quite a bit of compassion for them, but also a lot of realism for them. Diversity does indeed hurt them, but so does industrialization, mobility, and even the information age in general.

    Modernity is fundamentally unnatural: it takes people away from a land-based economy, from the values that existed from a land-based economy, from family that developed from those values, from hopes and expectations that came with family, and ultimately physically from a distance from what remains from family.

    From an ecological perspective, we've destroyed our habitat. Its not surprising that so many of us go mad in some form or another.

    Related: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/16/burdens/ (not that I agree).

  226. @DB Cooper
    Hi Steve, FYI Chinese people never refer to that guy as Qin Shi Huangdi, it is always Qin Shi Huang, literally means Qin the first emperor (or Qin Huang, like in one of Mao's poem). Qin Shi Huangdi is kind of like Qin the first emperor emperor because Huang and Di both means emperor. I know the common term in Western text is Qin Shi Huangdi but it is not correct.

    According to Wikipedia, Qín Shǐ Huángdì is correct (though the last word is indeed 2 different imperial titles glued), and omitting “dì” is a common shortening. I find it plausible you may know better than what’s in that article, but I’d like some extra explaining in that case.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Reading the Wiki, it seems to refer to an effort he made to name himself.

    As early as Sima Qian, it was common to shorten the resulting four-character Qin Shi Huangdi to 秦始皇,[23] variously transcribed as Qin Shihuang or Qin Shi Huang
     
    Pretty much all Chinese just call him Qin Shi Huang, the First Emperor. The great and terrible.
  227. @Anonymous
    The positions of the two parties, and perceptions of those positions, are not fixed but can change over time. In the Mondale/Dukakis/Jackson era Democrats were seen as the soft on crime party and Asians - who in those days were much more concentrated in inner cities - supported Republicans. Then in the Clinton era through Obama's first election the Democrats pivoted to ending welfare as we know it and putting more cops on the street. Hillary Clinton even called young gangstas "superpredators." Meanwhile Republicans went all in on creationism and Christianity. In that era Asians switched to being more Democrats. In our own time Democrats have once again become soft on crime and Trump is certainly post-Christian when boning pornstars so we'll see what the fallout is.

    Anyway, I suppose you were fishing for the answer that Asians are voting Democratic because they hate white people? Well maybe so, but as with another group that supposedly hates white people they have a strange way of showing it, what with giving their kids names like Madison and Brian, moving to suburbs, and even getting cosmetic surgery to reshape their eyes.

    Meanwhile Republicans went all in on creationism and Christianity.

    Why would this be a problem with Asians across the board? Even hindus must realize this is part of the Christian world. And many Asians such as Koreans and Filipinos are Christians.

    As for creationism, what gives with this? Can creationism really be that much of a bogey man? I stated earlier the overwhelming majority of people do not need to study Darwin as it will have zero effect upon their career or major. I never took a class in creationism or on Darwin. I think in my biology class we studied Gregor Mendel more.

    But what if I were forced to take a creationist class? Will that do any more harm on me than being forced to take a class on white privilege?

    • Replies: @Silva
    "Will that do any more harm on me than being forced to take a class on white privilege?"

    Possibly not, but the average iSteve fan only seems to be willing to take a stand on one of those.
  228. @Stan Adams
    Clinton and Gore had many friends in the PRC:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

    At any rate, it does not surprise me that East Asians are willing to pursue their own interests at the expense of other groups' interests. Nor does it surprise me (anymore) that so many whites are driven by pathological altruism to undercut their own kind.

    The bottom line is that diversity is bad for everyone, and worst for whites.

    I mentioned the other day that I had a negative reaction to looking at David Reich's picture, because he reminded me of someone I knew in real life. I didn't mention that I ran into that person on Good Friday. We didn't say anything to one another, but I overheard him make what I thought was a rather offensive anti-Christian joke: "So, is Sunday the day that Jesus comes out of his cave to give colored eggs to all the good little boys and girls? Or is that the Easter Bunny?"

    Ironically, when I heard that joke, I thought of the other guy I mentioned the other day - the one who looks a lot like Gary Oldman. He's an evangelical Christian who has nothing but praise for Israel. His admiration for Judaism is second-to-none. (The other notable aspect of his personality is his jock-sniffing. He can't get enough of the big strong affletes.) I would bet that, if that guy overheard that joke - an expression of pure contempt for Christianity - he would immediately find some reason to excuse it.

    Lest you think that this is merely a gratuitous anti-Semitic post, let me add that I routinely hear Cuban Catholics disparage Protestant Anglos - not on religious grounds, but on ethnic ones. I hear all sorts of disparaging of whites from all sorts of different groups. I don't know too many whites who feel too comfortable disparaging others.

    Growing up down here, surrounded by Cubans and Jews (among others), I developed an understanding of both groups, and a certain appreciation for them, but I also gained an awareness that, however cordial my relations with them might be, they were not and never would be - never could be - my people. Unfortunately, I also gained an awareness that an awful lot of "my people" would just as soon see me and my kind - our kind - dead.

    My world is full of Others. All of them are trying to screw someone.

    Recently, an elderly Iranian lady I know told me, rather casually, about her efforts to persuade the insurance company to pay for much-needed repairs to her 25-year-old roof. She admitted that she shamelessly tried to blame all of the damage on Hurricane Irma, even though she knew full well that the roof had been leaking for years. She even feigned a tearful emotional breakdown while on the phone with the adjuster.

    I could have excoriated her for her efforts to defraud the insurance company, but instead I sat there politely, thinking of a plausible excuse to end the conversation. Mercifully, she ended it first.

    Some years ago, I was deeply disturbed when my cousin - my mother's sister's daughter - ended up with a black guy. (They now have two kids.)

    Her own father was from rural Georgia. She waited a long time to tell her wealthy paternal grandfather about her new husband, lest he disown her. (In the end, he found out, and was upset, but he did not cut her out of his will.) She routinely disparaged her relatives as a bunch of racist hicks whose idea of a fun Saturday night was going to Wal-Mart ... but she was happy to take their money.

    Our shared grandparent - my maternal grandmother, also quite wealthy - went out of her way to show support for the pairing. Indeed, she was the reason they got married - she objected to their "living in sin." (I suspect that, even at that early date, her judgment was already compromised by Alzheimer's.)

    My mother was the only relative who objected (very quietly) to the pairing on racial grounds. She has long despised my cousin for various reasons that I will not go into here. Suffice it to say that my cousin is bipolar, and my mother has ... issues.

    Every time I think of my cousin's "race treachery," I feel slightly sad.

    A couple of years ago, she called me after a drunken binge and tearfully admitted that she really wasn't happy being with a black guy. She indicated that she still loved her penultimate boyfriend - a Cuban. She confessed that the reason they broke up was that she got pregnant and unilaterally decided to have an abortion. After he found out, he walked out. The black guy was nothing more than a semi-serious rebound. But my grandmother strongly pressured her to get married, and so she did.

    The black guy once admitted to me that, if he had known how seriously deranged my cousin truly was, he would have left her long before things got serious. He told me that he walked out on her once, shortly after the wedding. (At that time, she was still on cocaine.) She called him at his job and told him that, unless he came back, she would slash her wrists until her hands fell off, and that her blood would be on *his* hands. He came back. Shortly afterward, she became pregnant with their first child.

    So now they're both stuck, making the best of a bad situation. (How's that for a great interracial love story?)

    For various reasons not related to her mating practices, I am no longer on speaking terms with my cousin. My communications with her "side" of the family are conducted through a lawyer.

    Very few of my relatives are on speaking terms with each other. (My uncle - my mother's brother - has already vowed to boycott *his* mother's funeral.) Honestly, the only person I still think of as "family" is my mother.

    We are a micro example of the macro status of the white world as a whole - totally atomized, full of fear and (self-)loathing, bereft of any true emotional connection, scattered and alone.

    We are a micro example of the macro status of the white world as a whole – totally atomized, full of fear and (self-)loathing, bereft of any true emotional connection, scattered and alone.

    This indeed true and I can relate, as I often think about the fact that I have a brother somewhere in the world – pretty successful, and yet he neither knows that I have a family and a son, nor does he care. I believe that the diversity problem is a symptom of deeper issues, and ones that are ultimately intractable or at least, nontrivial. To quote myself from post 121:

    Modernity is fundamentally unnatural: it takes people away from a land-based economy, from the values that existed from a land-based economy, from family that developed from those values, from hopes and expectations that came with family, and ultimately physically from a distance from what remains from family.

    From an ecological perspective, we’ve destroyed our habitat. Its not surprising that so many of us go mad in some form or another.

    To which I think its worth elaborating further upon – ultimately a family is a type of construct, blood-related and instinctually driven to bond together. It is the most basic form of tribalism, if you wish to call it as such. The fact that it has basically failed in the new environment that we have created is a sign that as a species, we have completely and successfully wrecked our social environment. We could draw from the industrialization of society, which removed men from land and separated work from land; with that came the end of the domestic economy for women, with centralized production of goods and services once created by the domestic economy; we could note immigration not only from external agents but also internally as urbanization swiftly destroyed rural economies; we could note how automation and mechanization has largely destroyed craftsmanship as an individual quality; the inability to pass meaningful skills to one’s children; we could go on forever.

    To this, I can link to one of the most influential philosophers to my thinking:
    https://jacobitemag.com/2017/06/06/atomization/

    Atomization has become an autonomous, inhuman agency, or at least, something ever more autonomous, and ever more inhuman. It can only liquidate everything you’ve ever cared about, by its very nature, so – of course – no one likes it. Catholicism, socialism, and nationalism have sought, in succession, coalition, or mutual competition, to rally the shards of violated community against it. The long string of defeat that ensued has been a rich source of cultural and political mythology. Because there is really no choice but to resist, battle has always been rejoined, but without any serious sign of any reversal of fortune.

    And of course, its ultimate success is indeed to effectively destroy even the substance that makes up biological family, and soon after the forms. Indeed, even the very thing that is family may be abolished soon by the technology of the artificial womb. All of this is destabilizing, but its gross psychological impact is not often evaluated and I think its evident that our minds were never really designed for this amount of constant fluidity and one of the ways to deal with the profound sense of unease is to pursue various methods of “immediate mood repair,” a notion usually associated with studies on procrastination, but I think also applicable to larger groups. Such methods include the chemical, but also the ideological to which I find is the source of both left and rightish extremism.

    In reality, there is no Us anymore, there are only Others. Why wouldn’t it be so? We’ve killed Us, because humans were never actually just individuals: we’ve killed Us when we killed the notion of a community. All that remains is the metaphorical shadowboxing.

  229. @J.Ross

    Most of the guys I picked up off the street to weed my front yard
     
    And nobody needs to tell you about this, right?

    I’m a semi invalid. I fell off a cliff and was house bound for a year. That was decade ago when I was 65. My front and back yards are so steep no one can stand on them unassisted.

    So yes, I hired illegal aliens. I used to do everything myself but not recently.

    Please preach elsewhere.

  230. @Mishra
    It doesn't, of course. It explains why this particular group tended to support Hillary.
    There are other groups--and other people--with other reasons.

    As a sort of neat analogy, people's heads explode when they encounter people who voted for Trump but whose second choice (or even first choice) would have been Bernie Sanders. I've seen it first-hand ;)

    If he were the Democrat nominee, Bernie Sanders would have won in 2016.

    • Replies: @Mishra
    Absolutely right. And it would have been an experiment unlike the one we're currently undertaking. Which, it's becoming increasingly clear, would be a good thing.
  231. @Silva
    According to Wikipedia, Qín Shǐ Huángdì is correct (though the last word is indeed 2 different imperial titles glued), and omitting "dì" is a common shortening. I find it plausible you may know better than what's in that article, but I'd like some extra explaining in that case.

    Reading the Wiki, it seems to refer to an effort he made to name himself.

    As early as Sima Qian, it was common to shorten the resulting four-character Qin Shi Huangdi to 秦始皇,[23] variously transcribed as Qin Shihuang or Qin Shi Huang

    Pretty much all Chinese just call him Qin Shi Huang, the First Emperor. The great and terrible.

    • Replies: @Silva
    Well, yes, he invented his imperial title (from parts that weren't used at the time), so he pretty much has to be correct. I didn't mean that the shorter version was any less correct, but the full one had been called "wrong" - it's just no longer usual.
  232. @Steve Sailer
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/is-california-importing-junkies-from-the-midwest/

    Thanks. I even commented on that, but neglected to click through to the underlying article. Having just done that, it seems a bit long on anecdote and short on data. At least as far as the out of state aspect goes.

  233. @Daniel Chieh

    Heroin addicts steal everything thats not nailed down and ruin the quality of life in a neighborhood. Trust me on this, I’m from ground zero in the heroin epidemic (white, blue collar Philly) and it has been devastating to our community and not just for the junkies.
     
    Most posters here do not seem to have any experience with them, or users of hard drugs in general; they largely cease to engage in what we would consider as rational processing. Studies of the brain can show that heroine essentially wrecks the reward system within minutes; extensive use essentially hacks it as surely as an experimental rat dehydrating to death because it can keep hitting a lever to stimulate its striatum.

    Even high functioning individuals who get addicted are not pretty and often demonstrate even worse behavior as they will continue to hold down jobs, etc, while actively engaging in methods to increase his addiction. Vendors of such are ultimately pond scum and I rarely use that word, but after knowing people who have gotten thirteen year old girls pregnant three times and beat them into miscarriage, force them into underage pornography and oh, just generally beat them daily because why not, its good to see that iSteve commentators feel the desire to root for them.

    Seems like most junkies never get clean, thus I wonder about Rush Limbaugh and Tiger Woods . Are they drug free today or still taking opiates ?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    The amazing thing about the pharmaceutical industry when you're rich is that you can switch from illegal drug to legal medicine with but the touch of pen from an anointed one. Its not speed, its adderall! And all it took was paying the right people. Its not bribery. Its medicine!

    I'm quite familiar with Canada and their tendency, for example, to provide addictive substances in an essentially legal context. It solves some problems, but creates others:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/homeless-shelter-ontario-closures-1.4299243

  234. @Hairway To Steven

    maybe listen to baby boomer David Byrne sing “People Like Us.” Why did we allow a Scottish guy like Byrne write one of the best ever country songs?
     
    You don't listen to a lot of country music, do you?

    Haven’t heard the Byrne song, but reminds me of the Pointer Sisters (which I like) supposedly writing and recording a great country song, ‘Fairytale’. It was… not good. Can’t fake country.

  235. @Frank the Prof
    If he were the Democrat nominee, Bernie Sanders would have won in 2016.

    Absolutely right. And it would have been an experiment unlike the one we’re currently undertaking. Which, it’s becoming increasingly clear, would be a good thing.

  236. @istevefan

    For a long time Republicans were associated with brain-dead evangelical Christianity. Striving people who want their daughter to be a neurosurgeon and ace the MCAT don’t want her taught creationism in school.
     
    First, does it really matter whether you study Darwin in school? For most majors you don't even need to know who Darwin was. So I don't understand Asians balking at the GOP because of this issue.

    Second, if Asians are so consumed with education and getting into the right schools, then what would (or should) be the bigger issue to them; a class in creationism that their precious kid might have to take, or their kid getting rejected by some university in favor of some NAM? It seems to be a no brainer that Asians detest AA and how it curtails their slots at good universities. If Asians are so smart as to equate the GOP with "brain-dead evangelical Christianity", why can't they equate the democrats as the "black party" with never-ending affirmative action at their expense?

    No, it seems the Asians have some other reasons for voting democrat.

    does it really matter whether you study Darwin in school

    From the standpoint of familiarity with subject matter that you’ll use professionally, it doesn’t matter any more for a would-be doctor to study Darwin than for a would-be CPA to study trigonometry and calculus. (Accounting math is, basically, hundreds of simultaneous arithmetic problems.)

    Darwin is useful for signaling to your peers that you’re the sort of person who takes science seriously.

  237. @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro
    Seems like most junkies never get clean, thus I wonder about Rush Limbaugh and Tiger Woods . Are they drug free today or still taking opiates ?

    The amazing thing about the pharmaceutical industry when you’re rich is that you can switch from illegal drug to legal medicine with but the touch of pen from an anointed one. Its not speed, its adderall! And all it took was paying the right people. Its not bribery. Its medicine!

    I’m quite familiar with Canada and their tendency, for example, to provide addictive substances in an essentially legal context. It solves some problems, but creates others:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/homeless-shelter-ontario-closures-1.4299243

  238. @Achmed E. Newman
    OMG! A reply from Tiny Duck ... THE Tiny Duck! I am not worthy!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjaqrPpdQYc

    I feel a bit slighted, however, by getting a reply that is NOT a troll post. What gives? I thought I was SOMEBODY. Anyway, there's no reason not to answer, so I'll ask you if you have spent many nights in the freezing cold outside, TD. I don't mean a week-long camping trip with your 20F bag and all your best equipment. I mean day in and day out.

    California has the best climate in the continental US, by a long shot. For a homeless guy, that is a big deal. Even the South does not compare, because you've got your skeeters, fleas, gnats, and chiggers bugging you for 4-5 months.

    I can't speak for Briney Schmuck, hahahhaaa, but I am honored, good sir.

    Dumb question

    The homeless people would be put in public housing or if need be billeted with over privileged families

  239. @Achmed E. Newman
    OMG! A reply from Tiny Duck ... THE Tiny Duck! I am not worthy!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjaqrPpdQYc

    I feel a bit slighted, however, by getting a reply that is NOT a troll post. What gives? I thought I was SOMEBODY. Anyway, there's no reason not to answer, so I'll ask you if you have spent many nights in the freezing cold outside, TD. I don't mean a week-long camping trip with your 20F bag and all your best equipment. I mean day in and day out.

    California has the best climate in the continental US, by a long shot. For a homeless guy, that is a big deal. Even the South does not compare, because you've got your skeeters, fleas, gnats, and chiggers bugging you for 4-5 months.

    I can't speak for Briney Schmuck, hahahhaaa, but I am honored, good sir.

    ” …sir.” ? TD is male? Seems to enjoy all the attention. Very emotional and illogical…

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    TD is a resident troll. He works to get attention, so its like applause after a performance.
  240. @dr quibbler
    " ...sir." ? TD is male? Seems to enjoy all the attention. Very emotional and illogical...

    TD is a resident troll. He works to get attention, so its like applause after a performance.

  241. @Daniel Chieh
    Reading the Wiki, it seems to refer to an effort he made to name himself.

    As early as Sima Qian, it was common to shorten the resulting four-character Qin Shi Huangdi to 秦始皇,[23] variously transcribed as Qin Shihuang or Qin Shi Huang
     
    Pretty much all Chinese just call him Qin Shi Huang, the First Emperor. The great and terrible.

    Well, yes, he invented his imperial title (from parts that weren’t used at the time), so he pretty much has to be correct. I didn’t mean that the shorter version was any less correct, but the full one had been called “wrong” – it’s just no longer usual.

  242. @istevefan

    Meanwhile Republicans went all in on creationism and Christianity.
     
    Why would this be a problem with Asians across the board? Even hindus must realize this is part of the Christian world. And many Asians such as Koreans and Filipinos are Christians.

    As for creationism, what gives with this? Can creationism really be that much of a bogey man? I stated earlier the overwhelming majority of people do not need to study Darwin as it will have zero effect upon their career or major. I never took a class in creationism or on Darwin. I think in my biology class we studied Gregor Mendel more.

    But what if I were forced to take a creationist class? Will that do any more harm on me than being forced to take a class on white privilege?

    “Will that do any more harm on me than being forced to take a class on white privilege?”

    Possibly not, but the average iSteve fan only seems to be willing to take a stand on one of those.

  243. @anonymous
    The opiate addiction problem just keeps snowballing along, getting bigger and bigger. How many junkies and heavy users are there in the US? Is having a huge junkie population going to be the new reality? Are tent cities coming like it or not?

    Having a warm and pleasant climate year-around is California’s problem.

  244. @Sunbeam
    "It comes down to tribal notions of race. The same racial tribalism that animates people like Michelle to indirectly support black criminality motivates Steve to indirectly side with white delinquents."

    See that's the only truth there is. Racial tribalism always beats universalism, because universalism is idiotic.

    Now, now, I know what you are thinking. The US and the West in general did pretty well with this for a decent amount of time right?

    Yeah, but while they spouted high minded rhetoric, they also cheerfully dealt pretty harshly with any opponents. The universalism was a group strategy to enhance that group's competiveness, not something extended to opponents and competitors; those were dealt with in a way the Great Khan would have thought appropriate.

    See, the problem basically is - the West started to believe their own bullshit. Instead of being happy, successful, admired hypocrites who rightly blamed foes for slaming their faces into the West's fists, with an army of enthusiastic apologists produced at universities as opposed to what we have now.

    "That doesn’t make what Michelle does right, but it gives right wing whites empathy for how the black middle class feels."

    It doesn't give empathy. It gives a roadmap.

    the West started to believe their own bullshit. Instead of being happy, successful, admired hypocrites

    Oh, I agree we admired ourselves. But admired by non-Westerners? Not so much.

    And I think non-Westerners have always seen through our hypocrisy, even in our heyday. Don’t use the non-white SJW immigrants in Western countries as a basis for judging attitudes – they are irrelevant.

    When you go out of our countries, our SJW culture is mocked and regarded as deception and lies by the whole planet.

    Which it is.

  245. @Mishra

    It would be an interesting alternative history, if the Chinese had discovered America. I suppose they would not have used black slaves, but Asian ones. But if they had used blacks? No doubt, a much different outcome.
     
    If they had used black slaves, they'd still be slaves. Same if they'd used Asian slaves, actually.

    The Anglo-American mentality--so thoroughly disparaged by privileged minorities and third-worlders--is the sole and only reason slavery was ever abolished anywhere.

    It should be pointed out that the more general Asian (Han/Mongolian/Manchurian/Japanese) pattern of dealing with troublesome peoples was not enslavement, but rather extermination.

  246. @Anonymous
    Steve and a lot of commentators are oblivious to what a teachable moment this is.

    A common complaint found here towards middle class black people like Michelle Obama is that they take up "anti-anti" positions against good public order (for example, Michelle urging Obama throughout the White House years to support black suspects killed by policemen).

    Like the "anti-anti" Michelle, Steve and commentators here are not endorsing this flow of drug addicts and the dangerous camps they create, but they are opposing the efforts of a local community, who are of a different race, to get rid of the junkies. It comes down to tribal notions of race. The same racial tribalism that animates people like Michelle to indirectly support black criminality motivates Steve to indirectly side with white delinquents.

    That doesn't make what Michelle does right, but it gives right wing whites empathy for how the black middle class feels.

    I do not care about the black middle class.

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