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We’re pretty familiar with how these rituals play out by now, with the main question not being one of strategy but of tactics: What next? What’s the next level for the Establishment to ramp the Culture War up to?

I suspect that the tragedies today in Charlottesville might lead not only to the destruction of statues of Robert E. Lee, but, eventually, to the statues of Charlottesville’s original Haven Monahan: that notorious rapist of a black body, Thomas Jefferson.

Reading Sabrina Rubin Erdely’s masterwork A Rape on Campus three years ago, I was struck by how much the Rolling Stone writer feared and loathed that the University of Virginia, Charlottesville was founded and designed by Jefferson. It made Erdely feel unsafe that the blond no doubt glass-breaking students felt a cultural connection with Jefferson, a sense of heritage.

That’s not OK!

Erdely is not an original thinker, so I presume her resentment of Jefferson’s prestige is not original to her.

At the moment, this may sound a little crazy. But these things have a logic that can take time to play out, so we shall see.

 
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  1. Charlottesville’s original Haven Monahan: that notorious rapist of a black body, Thomas Jefferson.

    Now now, you know as well as I that nothing of the sort has been demonstrated. Granted, that means approximately nothing to propagandists, but still.

    To save time, I’ll quote myself:

    The MSM have decided that Jefferson must be guilty of jungle fever because racism and slavery. The MSM are heavily invested in the slur against Jefferson, though the science isn’t remotely conclusive.

    It does appear that someone in Jefferson’s shared male lineage mixed it up, and that’s more than enough for those (like Ron Chernow, Michael Aeschliman and of course Paul Finkelman who titled his screed in the NYT “The Monster of Monticello”) who seek to besmirch our third president’s good name. Now why would ‘they’ do that?

    And so the DNA results, which indicated a link to one of eight Jefferson males, are now transformed via collective journalistic massage into an “overwhelmingly probable” arrow aimed right at the heart of Thomas Jefferson himself.

    I guarantee you that Sabrina and her type are loving this.

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    And so the DNA results...
     
    Hmm. I keep hearing about this DNA stuff. Sometimes it matters; sometimes it doesn't. I guess it is one of those tough theological matters that the priesthood explains and to which the rest of us are supposed to say nothing.
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  2. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Erdely is not an original thinker, so I presume her resentment of Jefferson’s prestige is not original to her.

    Maybe she reads the National Review? Here’s Rich Lowry:

    —I’ve been skeptical of the rush to pull up Confederate monuments, and Robert E. Lee—the focus in Charlottesville—is not Nathan Bedford Forrest. But if the monuments are going to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, maybe they really do need to go.

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    • Replies: @Altai
    I've been skeptical of the neo-reactionaries taking up fascist imagery, but if it's going to cause Rich Lowry to lose sleep maybe they should go full Nazi.
    , @Clyde
    That's short and sweet and pathetic from Rich Lowery. Is it too late for Game of Thrones to bring him in to play a third eunuch?
    My alternative theory on Thomas Jefferson would be that a number of female slaves were competing for his affections and favors and that Sally Hemmings won out. Our liberal Taliban would love to remove Thomas Jefferson statues but they know that this is premature.
    TJ lived to 83, which was rare back then.

    How alt right/nazi/klan was the "white faction" at Charlottesville? I'll bet 70% of them were much less ideological and there just to protest the outrageous removal of Confederate memorials. This is something their infamous fraternity bros can get behind.

    , @Mike Street Station

    —I’ve been skeptical of the rush to pull up Confederate monuments, and Robert E. Lee—the focus in Charlottesville—is not Nathan Bedford Forrest. But if the monuments are going to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, maybe they really do need to go.
     
    I assume the NR article was called, "The Conservative Case for Obliterating History?"
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Other than, perhaps, Jonah ((((Goldberg)))), is there a more despicable breather of oxygen on two feet that pretends to be a conservative than R.L.?
    , @Harry Baldwin
    I haven't heard that Rich Lowry is transitioning, but it's become clear that he's already had the bilateral orchiectomy performed.
    , @C. Van Carter
    Bending over athwart history, and yelling Go.
    , @Mr. Anon
    The National Review: Lying prone beneath history, whispering "Be gentle".
    , @Anonymous
    Since it turned out to be a kid from Ohio, shouldn't we be yanking up Union monuments instead?
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  3. Yan Shen says:

    So uh any brahs here hit up that Charlottesville rally?

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    Would have, but my car's in the shop :)
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  4. Altai says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Erdely is not an original thinker, so I presume her resentment of Jefferson’s prestige is not original to her.
     
    Maybe she reads the National Review? Here's Rich Lowry:

    —I’ve been skeptical of the rush to pull up Confederate monuments, and Robert E. Lee—the focus in Charlottesville—is not Nathan Bedford Forrest. But if the monuments are going to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, maybe they really do need to go.
     

    I’ve been skeptical of the neo-reactionaries taking up fascist imagery, but if it’s going to cause Rich Lowry to lose sleep maybe they should go full Nazi.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I have a dream... That one day mainstream conservatives will spend no more time punching right than mainstream leftists spend punching left (aka 0.0003 seconds per year)
    , @Lot
    Yeah cause politics is about feeling superior and shocking the bourgeoisie.
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  5. Clyde says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Erdely is not an original thinker, so I presume her resentment of Jefferson’s prestige is not original to her.
     
    Maybe she reads the National Review? Here's Rich Lowry:

    —I’ve been skeptical of the rush to pull up Confederate monuments, and Robert E. Lee—the focus in Charlottesville—is not Nathan Bedford Forrest. But if the monuments are going to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, maybe they really do need to go.
     

    That’s short and sweet and pathetic from Rich Lowery. Is it too late for Game of Thrones to bring him in to play a third eunuch?
    My alternative theory on Thomas Jefferson would be that a number of female slaves were competing for his affections and favors and that Sally Hemmings won out. Our liberal Taliban would love to remove Thomas Jefferson statues but they know that this is premature.
    TJ lived to 83, which was rare back then.

    How alt right/nazi/klan was the “white faction” at Charlottesville? I’ll bet 70% of them were much less ideological and there just to protest the outrageous removal of Confederate memorials. This is something their infamous fraternity bros can get behind.

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  6. neutral says:

    I fail to see how it could end any other way, if I were a Mexican or Somali or Chinese person living in America I would not really care about Jefferson or Washington, why would I ? Note that I am not trying to debate the merits or demerits of Jefferson or Washington, I am merely pointing out that expecting people to honour someone that is completely foreign to you as your founding father is only something very altruistic whites can do.

    I am not American and thus have zero reverence to the US founding fathers, but to those that are American, didn’t Jefferson say “all men are equal”. With that being the case, isn’t the push for removal by the new people that populate the lands the result of his very own ideas ?

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    I don't think everyone who holds the founding dads in high regard is of 100% English ancestry. And it would be silly to claim that only "white" people can admire them. MLK and Mandela have hundreds of millions of non-black admirers.
    , @ia

    . . . isn’t the push for removal by the new people that populate the lands the result of his very own ideas ?
     
    Of course. What's good for the human rights goose is good for the human rights gander.
    , @syonredux

    didn’t Jefferson say “all men are equal”. With that being the case, isn’t the push for removal by the new people that populate the lands the result of his very own ideas ?
     
    Jefferson had a lot of ideas:

    The first difference [between whites and blacks] which strikes us is that of color. . . . The
    difference is fixed in nature, and is as real as if its seat and cause were better known to us. And is
    this difference of no importance? Is it not the foundation of a greater or less share of beauty in
    the two races? Are not the fine mixtures of red and white, the expressions of every passion by
    greater or less suffusions of color in the one, preferable to that eternal monotony, which reigns in
    the countenances, that immoveable veil of black which covers all the emotions of the other race?
    Add to these, flowing hair, a more elegant symmetry of form, their own judgment in favor of the
    whites, declared by their preference of them, as uniformly as is the preference of the orangutan
    for the black women over those of his own species. The circumstance of superior beauty, is
    thought worthy attention in the propagation of our horses, dogs, and other domestic animals;
    why not in that of man? . .
     

    Comparing them by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me,
    that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as I think one [black] could
    scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in
    imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous. It would be unfair to follow them to Africa
    for this investigation. We will consider them here, on the same stage with the whites, and where
    the facts are not apocryphal on which a judgment is to be formed. It will be right to make great
    allowances for the difference of condition, of education, of conversation, of the sphere in which
    they move. Many millions of them have been brought to, and born in America. Most of them
    indeed have been confined to tillage, to their own homes, and their own society: yet many have
    been so situated, that they might have availed themselves of the conversation of their masters;
    many have been brought up to the handicraft arts, and from that circumstance have always been
    associated with the whites. Some have been liberally educated, and all have lived in countries
    where the arts and sciences are cultivated to a considerable degree, and have had before their
    eyes samples of the best works from abroad. The Indians, with no advantages of this kind, will
    often carve figures on their pipes not destitute of design and merit. They will crayon out an
    animal, a plant, or a country, so as to prove the existence of a germ in their minds which only
    wants cultivation. They astonish you with strokes of the most sublime oratory; such as prove their
    reason and sentiment strong, their imagination glowing and elevated. But never yet could I find
    that a black had uttered a thought above the level of plain narration; never see even an
    elementary trait of painting or sculpture. In music they are more generally gifted than the whites
    with accurate ears for tune and time . . . . Whether they will be equal to the composition of a
    more extensive run of melody, or of complicated harmony, is yet to be proved. Misery is often
    the parent of the most affecting touches in poetry. —Among the blacks is misery enough, God
    knows, but no poetry.
     
    And here was Jefferson's solution to the Black-White problem in America:

    Jefferson, along with many other Americans, combined plans for emancipation with colonization―moving freed slaves outside the U.S. "I have seen no proposition so expedient . . . as that of emancipation of those [slaves] born after a given day, and of their education and expatriation at a proper age," Jefferson wrote in 1814.

    He eventually decided that Africa was the best destination.
     
    https://www.monticello.org/slavery-at-monticello/liberty-slavery/solution-jefferson-proposes-colonization
    , @Lot
    Some of the "new people" in the South are white Northerners descended from Union soldiers and postbellum immigrants.
    , @Moses

    I fail to see how it could end any other way, if I were a Mexican or Somali or Chinese person living in America I would not really care about Jefferson or Washington, why would I ?
     
    Exactly. Why would you?

    This is why importing mass numbers of non-Europeans from vastly different cultures will spell the end of the (pale, stale, male) Constitution and, eventually, of America.

    No shared ideals, no founding fathers, no common culture or shared background to keep us together. Just identity politics and mish-mash of bitterly competing interest groups.

    "Things fall apart; the center cannot hold..."

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  7. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Why all the tears, hand wringing and shock at the violence in Charlottesville? Violence is what this nation was founded on and its violence that we still worship today, by keeping that tool at #1 in our diplomacy tool box.
    Violence is a constant drumbeat in our background, either for real or implied, as one ego maniac–Trump–has been threatening another–Kim–with fire and fury.

    How many nations have we used lies as an excuse to invade, bomb and destroy since 9/11? How many millions have we killed since then, based on LIES?
    How many more have we blasted to bits with drones, based on hearsay? How many have been murdered by Special Forces assassins? All murdered by a rogue govt that no longer sees the need to actually declare war, we just have to believe whatever Wolf or Madcow is selling us.

    How many other nations have we used puppet masters like Soros to send in trouble-makers, even assassins to kill off key people, start riots and overthrow the elected govt?

    If you go back a century, our ‘body count’ must be close to 100 million, with most of that slaughter based on lies and deceptions.

    So when some American reacts, using the same ‘tool’ our govt uses on a daily bases, why are people so surprised that someone emulated an authority figure?

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    If you go back a century, our ‘body count’ must be close to 100 million, with most of that slaughter based on lies and deceptions.
     
    Well, yes, there is a lot of ruin in a nation, but the relative peace and prosperity supplied by us has made it possible for many hundreds of millions more worldwide to live better.
    , @kelvin
    Fighting for Peace is like Fucking for Virginity.
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  8. I have no doubt that there will be a movement to ban Thomas Jefferson and even George Washington. And I can imagine someone like Rich Lowry or Orrin Hatch saying, “If the Jefferson monuments are going to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, maybe they really do need to go.” I take the opposite approach, if you want to stop neo-Nazis, don’t let them be the only be the only voice for a reasonable position.

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    • Replies: @for-the-record
    I take the opposite approach, if you want to stop neo-Nazis, don’t let them be the only be the only voice for a reasonable position.

    That's really the heart of the problem, isn't it? And why the longer-term (and even near term, for that matter) seems so unpromising.
    , @DC
    The "Great Emancipater" would be next if they really studied what he thought about blacks, including wanting to ship them all back to Africa.
    , @Lot
    Washington and Jefferson have already been removed from many public school names.
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  9. This video is much clearer than others:

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    I can't blame the guy at all for trying to get out of there. Who knows what would have happened to him had he just let them smash up his car? He'd probably have been pulled out and smashed to a pulp by the commie scum.

    Also, he never got going faster than 10 mph until he had a clear path from what I see here. There was no reason at all for anyone to get hurt by the car. At some point you'd better put your bat down, get out from behind or in front and move out of the path. If he'd wanted to run over a bunch of people with that muscle car, there'd have been scores dead.

    I think the ctnrl-left is very used to getting their way - it helps a lot to have all the institutions on your side. Still, they would have been better off getting out of the way this time.
    , @AndrewR
    Multiple people had bats and were hyperquick to start using them and we're supposed to believe this was a "peaceful march"? Perhaps the girl who died was peaceful but she was hanging with the wrong crowd.
    , @ia
    Powerful images, thanks. My impressions and two cents: The frenzy of the mob. Dumb violent animals. Many with clubs. 3rd-world. Democrats.

    The mob enraged by and enthralled to images. Manipulators of images are getting what they secretly want. Days of Rage. But unlike the 60s they are in power. Media stokes and manipulates resentment in a lust for power (they blame Trump). And then with images of their self-induced defilement of civility (like pornography) they can further inculcate people to completely accept and ritualize resentment.
    , @SonOfStrom
    All of these will be relevant at trial, but here's what I'd say is a better view, of the lead-up, from behind:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/brennanmgilmore/status/896434516260212737/video/1

    The Twitter poster says it's "definitely deliberate" but there's still not enough context from this to tell. You can hear the tires squeal as he takes off, but it's tough to tell why. The road in front of him appears clear (which gave him a tragic amount of space to accelerate) but people are quickly running behind him. The defense at trial will no doubt be that the bat swinging and car swarming you see immediately after he impacts the silver Lexus had already started farther back on the street and he was simply panicking trying to escape.
    , @anonymous
    This might actually be a difficult prosecution; one could reasonably argue that the driver felt he was under attack. What events happened before this footage is a key question.

    The reported driver (who I will not name) fits a very usual pattern for one afflicted with mental illness. The reported "washing out" in army boot camp is a classic "tell", I imagine we'll be hearing more about his mental state. Similar to the van driver in London.
    , @Russ
    All this video tells us is that the driver did not get Reginald Denny'd. Of course, since the Denny incident was in 1992 and thus before the birth of most of these thugs, it doesn't count.
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  10. It’s Aryan Brotherhood branding, so to speak. It scares the rubes and, as Zman eloquently stated, it powerfully signals in-group status to those who get the joke and alienates those who don’t, forcing anyone within view to take a side. The more outrageously contra-zeitgeist the image, the more powerful the signal. Most people would prefer not to irrevocably decide the course of their own fate and will go to lengths to be relieved of the responsibility.

    Accordingly, if Alt-Right heavies going full Nazi in the presence of Rich Lowry caused him to lose sleep, it would only be on account of his own crisis of conscience.

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    I hit the back button after testing a link. My comment was in response to comment #4.
    , @Wulf

    It’s Aryan Brotherhood branding, so to speak. It scares the rubes and, as Zman eloquently stated, it powerfully signals in-group status to those who get the joke and alienates those who don’t, forcing anyone within view to take a side.
     
    AB and KKK branding helping the alt-right's cause? AB and KKK thugs and other knuckleheads "supporting" the resistance and forcing anyone to take a side (which, when talking about decent and reasonable people, always is the opposite) huh?

    Get a grip fool. This no bueno. The alt-right has lost the PR battle you clown.
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  11. Johnny789 says:

    Allen Iverson is from VA. He wore #3. I feel like he was trying to tell us something.

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  12. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    I have no doubt that there will be a movement to ban Thomas Jefferson and even George Washington. And I can imagine someone like Rich Lowry or Orrin Hatch saying, "If the Jefferson monuments are going to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, maybe they really do need to go." I take the opposite approach, if you want to stop neo-Nazis, don't let them be the only be the only voice for a reasonable position.

    I take the opposite approach, if you want to stop neo-Nazis, don’t let them be the only be the only voice for a reasonable position.

    That’s really the heart of the problem, isn’t it? And why the longer-term (and even near term, for that matter) seems so unpromising.

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  13. bomag says:
    @Kyle McKenna

    Charlottesville’s original Haven Monahan: that notorious rapist of a black body, Thomas Jefferson.
     
    Now now, you know as well as I that nothing of the sort has been demonstrated. Granted, that means approximately nothing to propagandists, but still.

    To save time, I'll quote myself:


    The MSM have decided that Jefferson must be guilty of jungle fever because racism and slavery. The MSM are heavily invested in the slur against Jefferson, though the science isn’t remotely conclusive.

    It does appear that someone in Jefferson’s shared male lineage mixed it up, and that’s more than enough for those (like Ron Chernow, Michael Aeschliman and of course Paul Finkelman who titled his screed in the NYT “The Monster of Monticello”) who seek to besmirch our third president’s good name. Now why would ‘they’ do that?

    And so the DNA results, which indicated a link to one of eight Jefferson males, are now transformed via collective journalistic massage into an “overwhelmingly probable” arrow aimed right at the heart of Thomas Jefferson himself.
     

    I guarantee you that Sabrina and her type are loving this.

    And so the DNA results…

    Hmm. I keep hearing about this DNA stuff. Sometimes it matters; sometimes it doesn’t. I guess it is one of those tough theological matters that the priesthood explains and to which the rest of us are supposed to say nothing.

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  14. When Congress comes back from its summertime break, what are the Vegas odds that Maxine Waters introduces legislation in the House banning Thomas Jefferson from the nickel in favor of Nat Turner’s Rebellion? The only hitch stopping the change is Nat Turner was so busy killing White women and children, that a new nickel, in his honor, is far too small to faithfully depict the full bloody tableau of Nat Turner’s Anti-Slavery Rebellion, which took place in 19th Century Virginia. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell will probably go along with the proposed change to our coinage. President Trump will sign the legislation because he has forgotten what a nickel is and because he is much too busy sending the US Army to Venezuela.

    Kicking Andrew Jackson off the $20 bill was just the beginning. The new Harriet Tubman plates for the new $20 will be ready to go at the US Bureau of Engraving & Printing in 2020 – – – plenty of time to get Jefferson off the nickel and hire some fully qualified AA metal engravers and die setters for the new Nat Turner nickel!

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    hire some fully qualified AA metal engravers and die setters for the new Nat Turner nickel!
     
    Yes, they can get the job through US Gov "disadvantaged" contracts.
    , @Anonymous
    I visited an Indian casino once and every $20 in the place was defaced. They (or someone) had a stamp to put devil horns and a goatee on Jackson and had stamped every one. Of course such bills are taken out of circ when they hit the Fed again.


    I have a feeling that every Harriet Tubman bill will see something similar.

    Well, every one I handle, anyway.
    , @anon
    Regarding whose picture is on Cash:

    I just hope we still have cash in a decade. It's clear there is a war on cash. Not to mention, electronic payments tend to cost 3 cents or so. And it is convenient. The security establishment wants it, of course. But the fact that there are so many other interests piling on to the trend is troubling.
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  15. @Negrolphin Pool
    It's Aryan Brotherhood branding, so to speak. It scares the rubes and, as Zman eloquently stated, it powerfully signals in-group status to those who get the joke and alienates those who don't, forcing anyone within view to take a side. The more outrageously contra-zeitgeist the image, the more powerful the signal. Most people would prefer not to irrevocably decide the course of their own fate and will go to lengths to be relieved of the responsibility.

    Accordingly, if Alt-Right heavies going full Nazi in the presence of Rich Lowry caused him to lose sleep, it would only be on account of his own crisis of conscience.

    I hit the back button after testing a link. My comment was in response to comment #4.

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  16. bomag says:
    @Greg Bacon
    Why all the tears, hand wringing and shock at the violence in Charlottesville? Violence is what this nation was founded on and its violence that we still worship today, by keeping that tool at #1 in our diplomacy tool box.
    Violence is a constant drumbeat in our background, either for real or implied, as one ego maniac--Trump--has been threatening another--Kim--with fire and fury.

    How many nations have we used lies as an excuse to invade, bomb and destroy since 9/11? How many millions have we killed since then, based on LIES?
    How many more have we blasted to bits with drones, based on hearsay? How many have been murdered by Special Forces assassins? All murdered by a rogue govt that no longer sees the need to actually declare war, we just have to believe whatever Wolf or Madcow is selling us.

    How many other nations have we used puppet masters like Soros to send in trouble-makers, even assassins to kill off key people, start riots and overthrow the elected govt?

    If you go back a century, our 'body count' must be close to 100 million, with most of that slaughter based on lies and deceptions.

    So when some American reacts, using the same 'tool' our govt uses on a daily bases, why are people so surprised that someone emulated an authority figure?

    If you go back a century, our ‘body count’ must be close to 100 million, with most of that slaughter based on lies and deceptions.

    Well, yes, there is a lot of ruin in a nation, but the relative peace and prosperity supplied by us has made it possible for many hundreds of millions more worldwide to live better.

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  17. Charlottesville’s original Haven Monahan: that notorious rapist of a black body, Thomas Jefferson.

    Illuminating moment yesterday during Gov. Terry McAuliffe’s cuckfest lecture presser—watch the nodding prop black guy in the background (with the “Menace II Supremacy” t-shirt). McAuliffe:

    “You want to talk about patriots—talk about Thomas Jefferson and George Washington.”

    Menace’s noggin stops cold after 25 seconds of full bobblehead. Very smart brotha knows what’s up with “white allies.”

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    McAuliffe is literally calling for war. He's telling American citizens that they (not their beliefs but THEY) have no place im their own country. He should be universally criticized for this.
    , @J1234
    I like how the black guy behind the governor is nodding in agreement until the guv says that (slave holders) George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were patriots. He wasn't expecting that. It's as Steve said: Jefferson and Washington are probably next on the list. Another fight for another year. Or generation.

    The governor is a success as a citizen exercising his first amendment rights, but an utter failure as a political leader. Taking sides during a volatile civil event, and telling opposing viewpoints to "go home" is statesmanship at it's worst. My guess it was just a show to appease local leftist militants who he can't tell to go home.

    So far, there's been one murder committed at the event (via car crash) and, as of now, it appears that the murderer is one of the members of "Unite the Right." An environment of hostility was going to exist at the street level, no getting around that, but when it exists at the government level, that hostility is viewed as oppression by the receiving side. That creates even greater hostility. It was only a matter of time that an alt right group reacted to having their first amendment rights (yet again) shut down by the left by responding with deadly force.

    Elected officials have, above all else, on obligation to uphold the principles of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The first amendment is one of those principles.

    , @Wilkey
    More and more leftists seem to be taking this position: if you don't agree with us you don't belong here. You don't belong at this university (Yale), you don't belong at this company (Google), and now more and more politicians stating you don't belong in this city or state.

    The only appropriate answer to these people is "fuck you."

    The black guy who stops nodding his head at the mention of Washington and Jefferson is an indication of things to come. These people will not be happy until they have banished our heroes and replaced them with their own. They want to displace us the way we displaced the natives. Every time we yield to them we lose. The Civil War ended 152 years ago. We've made our peace, we've allowed the South to honor their dead and their heroes. That's the way it should be, the way it has been for 152 years, and the way it should remain.
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  18. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Yes tear down all the White statues. Those who smugly identified with the North shouldn’t be allowed to keep their little slave owning heroes up.

    ALL the Founders should be torn down.

    And Lincoln himself, the great slaughter of 700,000 Americans, had problematic views on race.

    Tear it all down.

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    That is where we are trending. It was fun while it lasted.
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  19. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Erdely is not an original thinker, so I presume her resentment of Jefferson’s prestige is not original to her.

    That strain of thinking is the reason why, out of nowhere, Hamilton has become their patron Founding Father.

    If you’re part of a small, wealthy, geographically-concentrated elite that benefits from a centralized financial system, it behooves you to have a hero who advocated for the system that benefits you. And all the better to villainize his arch-rival as some boogeyman to rally your cohort against and point the NAM hoards…er political allies… toward, as well.

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  20. @Emblematic
    This video is much clearer than others:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Weg3fP0lZmE

    I can’t blame the guy at all for trying to get out of there. Who knows what would have happened to him had he just let them smash up his car? He’d probably have been pulled out and smashed to a pulp by the commie scum.

    Also, he never got going faster than 10 mph until he had a clear path from what I see here. There was no reason at all for anyone to get hurt by the car. At some point you’d better put your bat down, get out from behind or in front and move out of the path. If he’d wanted to run over a bunch of people with that muscle car, there’d have been scores dead.

    I think the ctnrl-left is very used to getting their way – it helps a lot to have all the institutions on your side. Still, they would have been better off getting out of the way this time.

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  21. Statue removal is bound to become a feature of Western life over the next generation. Here in England some obvious targets I can think of are the statue of Richard the Lionheart right outside the Houses of Parliament (Islamophobe) and a statue of Queen Victoria in Birmingham city centre (colonialist). There was also the recent spat over a statue of Cecil Rhodes in Oxford which for now has abated, and also an ongoing local campaign in Bristol about a park named after the slave owner containing his statue.

    It will happen because even though traditionalists won’t like it, whenever they meet with aggression they give way.

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  22. jim jones says:

    The Daily Mail has gone full on Marxist about Charlottesville:

    View post on imgur.com

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  23. Can someone explain how Richard Spencer’s antics help advance President Trump’s agenda?

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  24. “No enemies to the right” is not a winning strategy for cultural conservatives. I see reports that the actual KKK (not the fake KKK that hangs nooses on dorm room doors) was involved. Not sure whether the Nazis were fake or real. Making common cause with the KKK and Nazis is stupid and indefensible.

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  25. @Dave Pinsen

    Erdely is not an original thinker, so I presume her resentment of Jefferson’s prestige is not original to her.
     
    Maybe she reads the National Review? Here's Rich Lowry:

    —I’ve been skeptical of the rush to pull up Confederate monuments, and Robert E. Lee—the focus in Charlottesville—is not Nathan Bedford Forrest. But if the monuments are going to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, maybe they really do need to go.
     

    —I’ve been skeptical of the rush to pull up Confederate monuments, and Robert E. Lee—the focus in Charlottesville—is not Nathan Bedford Forrest. But if the monuments are going to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, maybe they really do need to go.

    I assume the NR article was called, “The Conservative Case for Obliterating History?”

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  26. I think we’re a lot closer to banning Jefferson and Washington than I would have imagined a few years ago, but then a few years ago I couldn’t have imagined that The Dukes of Hazzard would become a “problematic” hate crime. Arguing against any symbols of Washington seem surprisingly easy once you buy the Robert E Lee logic. I mean Washington was a white slave owner. The Washington Monument is just a massive phallic symbol of hate and white supremacy…I mean it’s ridiculously easy!

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  27. How about we offer to replace every statue of Jefferson and Washington… with a statue of Hitler? Since we’re all Hitler now.

    Oh, and I suggest we start using the phrase “the N word” to refer to Nazi, not n*gg*r. Aren’t they both bad words that shouldn’t be used when referring to people? If nothing else, it’ll confuse them, and confusion in the enemy ranks is always a good thing.

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  28. Don’t cuck and don’t apologize

    “Senseless tragedy”, “condemn the violence” = losing with dignity.

    This is nothing like the black lives matter rally where a black lives matter thug shot and killed 5 cops. There is nothing to disavow.

    The fake news will be in hyper spin mode but White America knows that is bullshit. A bunch of White guys tried to have a peaceful rally and the usual anti-White black mask goons came out to shut it down. White America already knows that “violence at Trump rally” means it was the Trump people being attacked.

    The car crash incident is another case of the well established type where masked goons blocked the street and attacked a car. The driver who was not affiliated with the rally freaked out and tried to escape. The people killed/hurt were masked goons. Entirely their own fault. Nothing for us to condemn or worry about.

    The fact that some people at the rally were waving 1930s German Flags is also not something that needs to be apologized for and should not be a concern either. The anti-Whites have been calling everyone they don’t like Nazis for decades. Some people have responded by saying “Ok fine, fuck you, I’m a nazi now, check out my cool flag, how do you like that?”.

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    "The fact that some people at the rally were waving 1930s German Flags is also not something that needs to be apologized for and should not be a concern either. "

    I guess. I understand the sentiment about not apologizing and these guys can wave whatever flag they want.

    But while I'm quite sure Antifa/SJW types would call me a Nazi, I really never got the whole fascination with them.

    Do these guys really have some worked out set of beliefs that coincide with Hitler and the rest of them's thinking? Just as a theory I'm not really sure these guys know all that much about them. More like West Coast Choppers using an Iron Cross design on their logo. Once upon a time Bikers wore stuff like that for shock value, plus the German military had a good rep for being badass.

    I remember reading something about a suitably leftist school instructor in England talking with and trying to find out why some of his students were skinheads and wore Nazi symbols and gear.

    If I remember correctly he was more appalled at their utter ignorance of... well, anything. His "woke" students were vaguely aware there was some big to-do like a couple of decades ago. But they seemed to conflate WWI and WWII, plus they thought "we" (UK, America, Canada, places like that) fought the Soviet Union - allied with Germany.

    Then again, maybe there are dedicated Nazi cultists out there. But if you don't regard the media as reliable, and you personally have never encountered any, how do you know if they actually exist?

    I have met a lot of people though that would riff off a swastika if it pissed off the right person, or seeing a tatt of one on someone they thought was tough, like an ex-con who gets high whenever he wants, screws who he wants, and no one f#$cks with. You know the badass, hedonist model.

    Personally if I got to impose "The New Order," I'd probably try to copy 1960 America as far as practical. Probably hopeless, but you know what they say, "History doesn't repeat itself, but sometimes it rhymes."
    , @BenKenobi
    If anything, the car-of-peace incident was blue-on-blue antifa friendly fire.
    , @Chrisnonymous

    The driver who was not affiliated with the rally freaked out and tried to escape.
     
    Unfortunately, probably not.
    , @Jack D
    The anti-Whites have been calling everyone they don’t like fags for decades. Some people have responded by saying “Ok fine, fuck you, I’m a fag now, check out my cool rainbow flag, how do you like that?”.

    See, it doesn't quite work. If you are waving a Nazi flag, you must want to be a Nazi or something like a Nazi or what you imagine a Nazi to be like or at least something badass. These people are too dumb to understand what it means to be a real Nazi but they have a general idea that Nazis hate naggers and Joos and so do they.
    , @AnotherDad

    The fact that some people at the rally were waving 1930s German Flags is also not something that needs to be apologized for and should not be a concern either. The anti-Whites have been calling everyone they don’t like Nazis for decades. Some people have responded by saying “Ok fine, fuck you, I’m a nazi now, check out my cool flag, how do you like that?”.
     
    Uh ... no.

    Unlike you, I've got kids and would actually like to *win* this thing and have a nation to pass on to them.

    While with the way things are trending, i'd be perfectly happy to go ahead and have the civil war now--I guess I'd need to buy a lot more ammunition first, especially being old and slow and unfleet of foot--get the separation accomplished and have a peaceful traditionalist nation for my kids to inherit ... that's not really in the cards.

    So what we have is a war of convincing people. Nazi flags just convince people that you are a) nasty and oppressive and b) an unserious loon.

    Furthermore--why the heck do I want to be associated with Nazi anything? I have nothing against German nationalism. But Nazis are famous for ... imperialism!--for invading other countries and genociding people they didn't like. I'm against imperialism and for nationalism--everyone gets to have a nation of their own to run as befits their traditions and culture--and am against genociding anyone, starting with my people!

    Confederate flags are unhelpful, but at least relevant to Robert E. Lee statue controversy. And I don't begrudge any "son of the south" waving theirs around.

    Nazi flags are a PR disaster for the nationalist side. It wouldn't even surprise me if they were brought there by antifas or by FBI agents just to create terrible optics.

    Let's try American flags and the good old fashioned American "Don't Tread on Me". That's what this is all about. Nazis treaded on all sorts of people and it's a dishonor to our cause to see their flag around.
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  29. Tiny Duck says:

    Demographic change cannot come fast enough. The only whites can be made to act right is through overwhelming force like South Africa and Haiti

    Whites are just clueless about justice and healthy society

    There is a reason that white girls lust after Black Men

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  30. RE Jefferson, the varsity move is to deliberately promote “tear down Jefferson next” as a meme, or even fund some frizzy haired mulatto chicks to make it a real movements. Force people to take a side and force things to their logical conclusion. If in the course of heightening the contradictions we lose some monuments, too bad, after we win we can always build more monuments.

    Don’t forget the graphs posted here: White Generation Z boys 86% Trump, Girls 76% Trump. The White youth are all right.

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    Don’t forget the graphs posted here: White Generation Z boys 86% Trump, Girls 76% Trump. The White youth are all right.
     
    That's very encouraging if true - where are the graphs? I see no graphs. Show me the graphs! [/Baboo Bhat]
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  31. AndrewR says:
    @Altai
    I've been skeptical of the neo-reactionaries taking up fascist imagery, but if it's going to cause Rich Lowry to lose sleep maybe they should go full Nazi.

    I have a dream… That one day mainstream conservatives will spend no more time punching right than mainstream leftists spend punching left (aka 0.0003 seconds per year)

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  32. AndrewR says:

    Please read. NYT reporter initially posts reasonable tweet then cowardly bows to communist hate

    https://mobile.twitter.com/SherylNYT/status/896692989044682753

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  33. AndrewR says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Charlottesville’s original Haven Monahan: that notorious rapist of a black body, Thomas Jefferson.
     
    Illuminating moment yesterday during Gov. Terry McAuliffe’s cuckfest lecture presser—watch the nodding prop black guy in the background (with the “Menace II Supremacy” t-shirt). McAuliffe:

    “You want to talk about patriots—talk about Thomas Jefferson and George Washington.”
     
    Menace’s noggin stops cold after 25 seconds of full bobblehead. Very smart brotha knows what’s up with “white allies.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8hsZAaZMj4

    McAuliffe is literally calling for war. He’s telling American citizens that they (not their beliefs but THEY) have no place im their own country. He should be universally criticized for this.

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  34. AndrewR says:
    @Emblematic
    This video is much clearer than others:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Weg3fP0lZmE

    Multiple people had bats and were hyperquick to start using them and we’re supposed to believe this was a “peaceful march”? Perhaps the girl who died was peaceful but she was hanging with the wrong crowd.

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    Perhaps the girl who died was peaceful but she was hanging with the wrong crowd.
     
    Perhaps she was just crossing the street on a personal errand, completely unrelated to the rally or the counter-rally. Charlottesville is a city; people do live there. In any event, she had every right to not be killed by a lunatic driving a car.
    , @Anonymous
    Yes, exactly.

    And just like here, the Antifa in the crowds always have this vapid confused shock and terror on their face when they catch blowback. Like, "how could it possibly be that if I violently attack people and try to erase their history and their race from the earth, that they just might strike back? BBBBut MTV says I'm the good guy!"
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  35. AndrewR says:
    @neutral
    I fail to see how it could end any other way, if I were a Mexican or Somali or Chinese person living in America I would not really care about Jefferson or Washington, why would I ? Note that I am not trying to debate the merits or demerits of Jefferson or Washington, I am merely pointing out that expecting people to honour someone that is completely foreign to you as your founding father is only something very altruistic whites can do.

    I am not American and thus have zero reverence to the US founding fathers, but to those that are American, didn't Jefferson say "all men are equal". With that being the case, isn't the push for removal by the new people that populate the lands the result of his very own ideas ?

    I don’t think everyone who holds the founding dads in high regard is of 100% English ancestry. And it would be silly to claim that only “white” people can admire them. MLK and Mandela have hundreds of millions of non-black admirers.

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  36. res says:

    Why so little mention of this Virginia law? https://vacode.org/2016/15.2/II/18/3/15.2-1812/

    If such are erected, it shall be unlawful for the authorities of the locality, or any other person or persons, to disturb or interfere with any monuments or memorials so erected, or to prevent its citizens from taking proper measures and exercising proper means for the protection, preservation and care of same. For purposes of this section, “disturb or interfere with” includes removal of, damaging or defacing monuments or memorials, or, in the case of the War Between the States, the placement of Union markings or monuments on previously designated Confederate memorials or the placement of Confederate markings or monuments on previously designated Union memorials.

    Some more discussion: http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/mcauliffe-vetoes-bill-to-prevent-removal-of-confederate-memorials/article_f382caa3-c08e-5940-9c4f-06a908e7b631.html

    House Bill 587 would have clarified a law passed in 1998 that prevented local governments from disturbing or interfering with war-related monuments. The bill introduced this year by Del. Charles D. Poindexter, R-Franklin County, would clarify that monuments built before 1998 were also protected under the law.

    From the comments to the first link that post-1998 interpretation looks like a nice example of judicial absurdity.

    It is interesting how when SJWs agree with a law it is sacrosanct, but when they disagree continuous reaffirmation is required.

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    As I've always said, the most meaningless words in the English language are "shall not be infringed."

    I just watched the "Miss Sloan" anti-gun movie yesterday and once again, I was not surprised.
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  37. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Do they have to go in order?

    I could get behind getting rid of Lincoln worship. He actually did the sort of stuff Trump is accused of. Declared martial law. Decided to settle the culture wars with guns.

    Not to mention he was a big fan of shipping them all to Liberia. Plus he ignored all the oppressed homos, which was really regressive given he was a known, closeted gay. Or perhaps I should say ‘log cabined’ gay.

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    Can we de-commemorate the 60+ things named for former Senator and Klansman Robert C. Byrd (or his wife Erma Ora Byrd) in West "by God" Virginia? Couldn't they be named for Jay Rockefeller?
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  38. Sunbeam says:
    @27 year old
    Don't cuck and don't apologize

    "Senseless tragedy", "condemn the violence" = losing with dignity.

    This is nothing like the black lives matter rally where a black lives matter thug shot and killed 5 cops. There is nothing to disavow.

    The fake news will be in hyper spin mode but White America knows that is bullshit. A bunch of White guys tried to have a peaceful rally and the usual anti-White black mask goons came out to shut it down. White America already knows that "violence at Trump rally" means it was the Trump people being attacked.

    The car crash incident is another case of the well established type where masked goons blocked the street and attacked a car. The driver who was not affiliated with the rally freaked out and tried to escape. The people killed/hurt were masked goons. Entirely their own fault. Nothing for us to condemn or worry about.

    The fact that some people at the rally were waving 1930s German Flags is also not something that needs to be apologized for and should not be a concern either. The anti-Whites have been calling everyone they don't like Nazis for decades. Some people have responded by saying "Ok fine, fuck you, I'm a nazi now, check out my cool flag, how do you like that?".

    “The fact that some people at the rally were waving 1930s German Flags is also not something that needs to be apologized for and should not be a concern either. ”

    I guess. I understand the sentiment about not apologizing and these guys can wave whatever flag they want.

    But while I’m quite sure Antifa/SJW types would call me a Nazi, I really never got the whole fascination with them.

    Do these guys really have some worked out set of beliefs that coincide with Hitler and the rest of them’s thinking? Just as a theory I’m not really sure these guys know all that much about them. More like West Coast Choppers using an Iron Cross design on their logo. Once upon a time Bikers wore stuff like that for shock value, plus the German military had a good rep for being badass.

    I remember reading something about a suitably leftist school instructor in England talking with and trying to find out why some of his students were skinheads and wore Nazi symbols and gear.

    If I remember correctly he was more appalled at their utter ignorance of… well, anything. His “woke” students were vaguely aware there was some big to-do like a couple of decades ago. But they seemed to conflate WWI and WWII, plus they thought “we” (UK, America, Canada, places like that) fought the Soviet Union – allied with Germany.

    Then again, maybe there are dedicated Nazi cultists out there. But if you don’t regard the media as reliable, and you personally have never encountered any, how do you know if they actually exist?

    I have met a lot of people though that would riff off a swastika if it pissed off the right person, or seeing a tatt of one on someone they thought was tough, like an ex-con who gets high whenever he wants, screws who he wants, and no one f#$cks with. You know the badass, hedonist model.

    Personally if I got to impose “The New Order,” I’d probably try to copy 1960 America as far as practical. Probably hopeless, but you know what they say, “History doesn’t repeat itself, but sometimes it rhymes.”

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    Many, many bikers had swastika tattoos in the sixties, seventies and eighties. I went to school with one in 2001-2002 who had a large one on his back and he was perhaps not 35 yet. (I was in my early forties.)


    It had nothing to do with Nazism or Nazi ideology: it had to do with upsetting and scaring "the citizens".

    We had another guy iin the class who was a full-on WN of the old line William Pierce school. You never would have known it unless he decided to tell you and that after he decided you had a need to know.

    Really a fascinating guy. By contrast the biker was a dumbass.

    But in fact he was the first person I ever heard tell me something that in retrospect was obvious from the release of "Tattooed Love Boys": he said he had friends in the Cleveland 81 and that it was open knowledge they'd turned Chrissie Hynde out and she was "property of" a certain patch holder for a short time. At the time I thought he was full of shit.

    He was dumb, but he was honest.
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  39. @27 year old
    RE Jefferson, the varsity move is to deliberately promote "tear down Jefferson next" as a meme, or even fund some frizzy haired mulatto chicks to make it a real movements. Force people to take a side and force things to their logical conclusion. If in the course of heightening the contradictions we lose some monuments, too bad, after we win we can always build more monuments.

    Don't forget the graphs posted here: White Generation Z boys 86% Trump, Girls 76% Trump. The White youth are all right.

    Don’t forget the graphs posted here: White Generation Z boys 86% Trump, Girls 76% Trump. The White youth are all right.

    That’s very encouraging if true – where are the graphs? I see no graphs. Show me the graphs! [/Baboo Bhat]

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  40. Anon7 says:

    Why does the Left seek to destroy confederate monuments? I thought I’d compare it to the reasons why the Islamic State destroys ancient monuments:

    - they see ancient cultural heritage as a challenge for the loyalties of local people to their movement.

    - they target monuments with special meaning to groups they oppose (for example, destroying ancient Christian sites that celebrated opposition to Islam in battles from hundreds of years ago).

    - they are trying to destroy existing cultures by attacking sites that preserve their heritage.

    - they destroy not only the works of highly divergent groups (like polytheistic religions), they also target the works of any group that does not support their precise brand of ideology.

    - they see archaeology itself, the preservation of monuments from another time, as a kaffir [unbeliever] import that is not part of Islam; the entire concept of viewing history as important is anti-Islam and is a tool of unbelievers to undermine Islam.

    - destroying monuments is very physical and visual, it’s a deliberately provocative act that demands attention from the entire community.

    - when the larger international community reacts with outrage to the destruction of ancient monuments, the Islamic State tells local people that the world doesn’t care about them, and their current problems, but only cares about some sort of abstraction (“history”).

    - it forces people to take a side, using their arguments (“Do you stand with the slave owners, or with us?”)

    - it is a deliberately provocative strategy that shows a kind of “come and get us” bravado that encourages supporters and infuriates opponents.

    - destroying monuments is thus a recruitment tool to gain new recruits.

    - it’s also a retention tool. It’s an exciting form of participation in the goals of the movement even after you’ve won some territory.

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  41. BenKenobi says:
    @27 year old
    Don't cuck and don't apologize

    "Senseless tragedy", "condemn the violence" = losing with dignity.

    This is nothing like the black lives matter rally where a black lives matter thug shot and killed 5 cops. There is nothing to disavow.

    The fake news will be in hyper spin mode but White America knows that is bullshit. A bunch of White guys tried to have a peaceful rally and the usual anti-White black mask goons came out to shut it down. White America already knows that "violence at Trump rally" means it was the Trump people being attacked.

    The car crash incident is another case of the well established type where masked goons blocked the street and attacked a car. The driver who was not affiliated with the rally freaked out and tried to escape. The people killed/hurt were masked goons. Entirely their own fault. Nothing for us to condemn or worry about.

    The fact that some people at the rally were waving 1930s German Flags is also not something that needs to be apologized for and should not be a concern either. The anti-Whites have been calling everyone they don't like Nazis for decades. Some people have responded by saying "Ok fine, fuck you, I'm a nazi now, check out my cool flag, how do you like that?".

    If anything, the car-of-peace incident was blue-on-blue antifa friendly fire.

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  42. @Dave Pinsen

    Erdely is not an original thinker, so I presume her resentment of Jefferson’s prestige is not original to her.
     
    Maybe she reads the National Review? Here's Rich Lowry:

    —I’ve been skeptical of the rush to pull up Confederate monuments, and Robert E. Lee—the focus in Charlottesville—is not Nathan Bedford Forrest. But if the monuments are going to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, maybe they really do need to go.
     

    Other than, perhaps, Jonah ((((Goldberg)))), is there a more despicable breather of oxygen on two feet that pretends to be a conservative than R.L.?

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  43. Funny as in odd.

    I was at a fund-raiser this week for a local museum when the issue of removing the statues in Richmond and Charlottesville came up. One person was adamantly against removal, and I agreed, adding that it wouldn’t stop with Lee and Jackson. Washington and Jefferson and who knows who will be next because they owned slaves.

    Back in the 70′s there was a really droll cartoon I saw in a magazine – maybe Playboy. It’s an upscale cocktail party, maybe with academics, and folks are standing around in groups talking. One group is a white guy dressed fashionably in slacks and a sweater, drink in hand, smile on face. He’s taking to a black guy in full African regalia of the time, drink in hand, scowl on face.

    The white guy is saying, “Well, anybody who’s been oppressing you for 400 years would have to be older than I am!”

    Exactly.

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    A link to the cartoon (good memory): http://www.vdare.com/posts/reparations-cartoon-1971-obviously-a-case-of-mistaken-identity-whoever-oppressed-you-for-400-years
    , @Uncle Dan
    That Afro's ancestor's oppression is the reason he is an American, not an African. For this he should be grateful. I certainly am grateful that I am American, not Russian, and I thank those 1900 Russians for encouraging my ancestors to make the perilous voyage. History is funny that way.
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  44. @27 year old
    Don't cuck and don't apologize

    "Senseless tragedy", "condemn the violence" = losing with dignity.

    This is nothing like the black lives matter rally where a black lives matter thug shot and killed 5 cops. There is nothing to disavow.

    The fake news will be in hyper spin mode but White America knows that is bullshit. A bunch of White guys tried to have a peaceful rally and the usual anti-White black mask goons came out to shut it down. White America already knows that "violence at Trump rally" means it was the Trump people being attacked.

    The car crash incident is another case of the well established type where masked goons blocked the street and attacked a car. The driver who was not affiliated with the rally freaked out and tried to escape. The people killed/hurt were masked goons. Entirely their own fault. Nothing for us to condemn or worry about.

    The fact that some people at the rally were waving 1930s German Flags is also not something that needs to be apologized for and should not be a concern either. The anti-Whites have been calling everyone they don't like Nazis for decades. Some people have responded by saying "Ok fine, fuck you, I'm a nazi now, check out my cool flag, how do you like that?".

    The driver who was not affiliated with the rally freaked out and tried to escape.

    Unfortunately, probably not.

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  45. In the pictures I saw, the people at the torch rally the night before looked a lot different than the people at the riot the next day.

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  46. @Dave Pinsen

    Erdely is not an original thinker, so I presume her resentment of Jefferson’s prestige is not original to her.
     
    Maybe she reads the National Review? Here's Rich Lowry:

    —I’ve been skeptical of the rush to pull up Confederate monuments, and Robert E. Lee—the focus in Charlottesville—is not Nathan Bedford Forrest. But if the monuments are going to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, maybe they really do need to go.
     

    I haven’t heard that Rich Lowry is transitioning, but it’s become clear that he’s already had the bilateral orchiectomy performed.

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  47. @Yan Shen
    So uh any brahs here hit up that Charlottesville rally?

    Would have, but my car’s in the shop :)

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  48. Maybe POTUS could declare the Confederate and other historical statutes to be National Monuments?

    After all, The Great and Powerful Obama declared that a “Stonewall National Monument will protect the area where, on June 28, 1969, a community’s uprising in response to a police raid sparked the modern LGBT civil rights movement in the United States.”

    Let us see where POTUS really stands.

    https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/06/24/president-obama-designates-stonewall-national-monument

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  49. Why is antifa violence so ugly? Self-hate is the ugliest kind of hate and thus the driver of the worst kind of hate. Imagine if you were made to hate and attack your parents, sisters, brothers, uncles, and aunts. To carry out such heinous acts, you have to steel yourself and go against your own nature. Because such hatred is unnatural and unhealthy, you must make yourself extra-rabid and extreme to carry out the violence.

    Antifa is mostly whites made to hate their own race, culture, and history. So, antifa ideology is rooted in ugly and unhealthy white self-loathing and self-hatred. Antifa has been told that whites are evil, therefore, whites can only be good by self-hatred and hatred toward other whites, esp the unrepentant ones. So, antifa community is one of whites who share self-hatred and hatred for those whites who don’t share in the self-hatred. Antifa are triggered by whites who don’t hate themselves. They are appalled by white pride, white dignity, positive white identity. I mean, they went through this ‘virtuous’ herculean effort of hating their own race, but those other whites won’t do likewise. A bunch of ‘nazis’!!!

    Antifa is like Janissary under Ottoman rule. Janissary were Greek or Balkan Christian boys recruited by Ottoman Turks to serve Islam. So, European Christian boys were made to hate their own kind. They were made to serve Allah and attack their own race, culture, and territory.

    Antifa are whites whose souls have been snatched and owned by Globalists. Antifa whites are Antifanissary. Antifanissary are like zombies that can get off only by attacking and feeding on the flesh of white pride and identity.

    Because their souls have been robbed and distorted by the Glob, their hatred is of the ugliest kind. Theirs is not the healthy kind of hatred for the enemies of one’s race or people. It is unhealthy hatred of the self and own kind that seeks therapy by attacking others of one’s race who don’t share in the self-hatred.

    Antifanissary are self-hating whites who hate whites who don’t hate themselves. A people who hate their own kind can find meaning ONLY BY serving another group deemed holy and clean. This is why antifanissary are so slavishly servile to Jews, blacks, and homos, three groups deemed to be sacred by PC.
    Antifanissary can only find meaning by deferring to Jews, blacks, & homos and by hating their whiteness. And to gain approval from Jews, blacks, and non-whites, they attack other whites who refuse self-hate as basis of identity and morality.

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    Why is antifa violence so ugly? Self-hate is the ugliest kind of hate and thus the driver of the worst kind of hate
     
    There's no self-hate involved. SJWs are religious cultists. They are the Elect, they are Saved. They're demonstrating their superior virtue. It's a kind of religious narcissism, not dissimilar to many Protestant sects.

    They hate sinners, which means anyone who disagrees with them. Because anyone who disagrees with them is denying Revealed Truth and must be not merely wrong but Evil.

    But it is definitely not self-hate. SJWs might hate their culture and their parents but they don't hate themselves. They only hate badwhites but they know that they're goodwhites.

    They believe they're the most virtuous people who have ever walked the Earth.
    , @AnotherDad

    Antifa is like Janissary under Ottoman rule. Janissary were Greek or Balkan Christian boys recruited by Ottoman Turks to serve Islam. So, European Christian boys were made to hate their own kind. They were made to serve Allah and attack their own race, culture, and territory.
     
    Your janissary analogy is a clever one, hadn't thought of that.

    There's one clear difference in that the janissaries actually had a reputation for quality and cohesion. It was a manly thing that these antifas certainly are not.

    There's another interesting point of similarity in that--at least originally--the janissaries did not have families and children. I'd bet that's the case in a high percentage of these antifas. This woman who was killed, looks to have had the basic equipment to have mothered a few white kids, but instead had drunk the Kool-Aid and was 32, childless, unmarried and spending her energy on "civil rights" and "fighting hate". She was a zombie.

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  50. @res
    Why so little mention of this Virginia law? https://vacode.org/2016/15.2/II/18/3/15.2-1812/

    If such are erected, it shall be unlawful for the authorities of the locality, or any other person or persons, to disturb or interfere with any monuments or memorials so erected, or to prevent its citizens from taking proper measures and exercising proper means for the protection, preservation and care of same. For purposes of this section, “disturb or interfere with” includes removal of, damaging or defacing monuments or memorials, or, in the case of the War Between the States, the placement of Union markings or monuments on previously designated Confederate memorials or the placement of Confederate markings or monuments on previously designated Union memorials.
     
    Some more discussion: http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/mcauliffe-vetoes-bill-to-prevent-removal-of-confederate-memorials/article_f382caa3-c08e-5940-9c4f-06a908e7b631.html

    House Bill 587 would have clarified a law passed in 1998 that prevented local governments from disturbing or interfering with war-related monuments. The bill introduced this year by Del. Charles D. Poindexter, R-Franklin County, would clarify that monuments built before 1998 were also protected under the law.
     
    From the comments to the first link that post-1998 interpretation looks like a nice example of judicial absurdity.

    It is interesting how when SJWs agree with a law it is sacrosanct, but when they disagree continuous reaffirmation is required.

    As I’ve always said, the most meaningless words in the English language are “shall not be infringed.”

    I just watched the “Miss Sloan” anti-gun movie yesterday and once again, I was not surprised.

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  51. ia says:
    @neutral
    I fail to see how it could end any other way, if I were a Mexican or Somali or Chinese person living in America I would not really care about Jefferson or Washington, why would I ? Note that I am not trying to debate the merits or demerits of Jefferson or Washington, I am merely pointing out that expecting people to honour someone that is completely foreign to you as your founding father is only something very altruistic whites can do.

    I am not American and thus have zero reverence to the US founding fathers, but to those that are American, didn't Jefferson say "all men are equal". With that being the case, isn't the push for removal by the new people that populate the lands the result of his very own ideas ?

    . . . isn’t the push for removal by the new people that populate the lands the result of his very own ideas ?

    Of course. What’s good for the human rights goose is good for the human rights gander.

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  52. Bugg says:

    Basically 2 groups of idiots too stupid to go to the beach or pool on a nice summer day. Trump’s response was perfect.

    Make no mistake; the antifa BLM morons will soon demand the dismantling of the Jefferson and Washington Memorials. And probably the renaming of the capital; Medgar Evers City, perhaps? And part of me wants to grant their insane wishes by simple fiat. But the caveat is, does that come any closer to solving the myriad of pathologies in Da Commun-ity. Removing a bunch of old statues that were until recently target practice for pigeons and gulls does nothing for any of that either. The disconnect, lack of priorities, inability to grasp what matters are simply incomprehensible .

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  53. Moshe says:

    I’m pretty good at understanfing realiry and seeing what’s coming.

    When Steve pointed to a single site about microaggressions I thought he was reaching. Tgis would never become a thing.

    Again, my friends, colleagues and students are impressed with my understanding and forecasting. And I didn’t buy it.

    Then Steve literally predicted WWT.

    I thought he was overdoing it at the time and left a comment to that effect.

    Steve is good.

    Then again, I can see this happening too. But with Steve predicting it I’m raising my priors from 20% to 45%.

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  54. syonredux says:
    @neutral
    I fail to see how it could end any other way, if I were a Mexican or Somali or Chinese person living in America I would not really care about Jefferson or Washington, why would I ? Note that I am not trying to debate the merits or demerits of Jefferson or Washington, I am merely pointing out that expecting people to honour someone that is completely foreign to you as your founding father is only something very altruistic whites can do.

    I am not American and thus have zero reverence to the US founding fathers, but to those that are American, didn't Jefferson say "all men are equal". With that being the case, isn't the push for removal by the new people that populate the lands the result of his very own ideas ?

    didn’t Jefferson say “all men are equal”. With that being the case, isn’t the push for removal by the new people that populate the lands the result of his very own ideas ?

    Jefferson had a lot of ideas:

    The first difference [between whites and blacks] which strikes us is that of color. . . . The
    difference is fixed in nature, and is as real as if its seat and cause were better known to us. And is
    this difference of no importance? Is it not the foundation of a greater or less share of beauty in
    the two races? Are not the fine mixtures of red and white, the expressions of every passion by
    greater or less suffusions of color in the one, preferable to that eternal monotony, which reigns in
    the countenances, that immoveable veil of black which covers all the emotions of the other race?
    Add to these, flowing hair, a more elegant symmetry of form, their own judgment in favor of the
    whites, declared by their preference of them, as uniformly as is the preference of the orangutan
    for the black women over those of his own species. The circumstance of superior beauty, is
    thought worthy attention in the propagation of our horses, dogs, and other domestic animals;
    why not in that of man? . .

    Comparing them by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me,
    that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as I think one [black] could
    scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in
    imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous. It would be unfair to follow them to Africa
    for this investigation. We will consider them here, on the same stage with the whites, and where
    the facts are not apocryphal on which a judgment is to be formed. It will be right to make great
    allowances for the difference of condition, of education, of conversation, of the sphere in which
    they move. Many millions of them have been brought to, and born in America. Most of them
    indeed have been confined to tillage, to their own homes, and their own society: yet many have
    been so situated, that they might have availed themselves of the conversation of their masters;
    many have been brought up to the handicraft arts, and from that circumstance have always been
    associated with the whites. Some have been liberally educated, and all have lived in countries
    where the arts and sciences are cultivated to a considerable degree, and have had before their
    eyes samples of the best works from abroad. The Indians, with no advantages of this kind, will
    often carve figures on their pipes not destitute of design and merit. They will crayon out an
    animal, a plant, or a country, so as to prove the existence of a germ in their minds which only
    wants cultivation. They astonish you with strokes of the most sublime oratory; such as prove their
    reason and sentiment strong, their imagination glowing and elevated. But never yet could I find
    that a black had uttered a thought above the level of plain narration; never see even an
    elementary trait of painting or sculpture. In music they are more generally gifted than the whites
    with accurate ears for tune and time . . . . Whether they will be equal to the composition of a
    more extensive run of melody, or of complicated harmony, is yet to be proved. Misery is often
    the parent of the most affecting touches in poetry. —Among the blacks is misery enough, God
    knows, but no poetry.

    And here was Jefferson’s solution to the Black-White problem in America:

    Jefferson, along with many other Americans, combined plans for emancipation with colonization―moving freed slaves outside the U.S. “I have seen no proposition so expedient . . . as that of emancipation of those [slaves] born after a given day, and of their education and expatriation at a proper age,” Jefferson wrote in 1814.

    He eventually decided that Africa was the best destination.

    https://www.monticello.org/slavery-at-monticello/liberty-slavery/solution-jefferson-proposes-colonization

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    Yeah, but he didn't elevate those various other ideas like he did the egalitarian idea in the founding documents.
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  55. McCauliffe is a particularly bad piece of work.
    He wants to be president!
    It amazes me how these obviously insincere White dudes
    succeed at this shit(Bill Clinton, Rahm , etc).
    How stupid are Black folk to vote for them.

    Maybe things are beginning to change.
    The Black dude stopped nodding his head
    and gets that classic look on his face when Washington and Jefferson are mentioned.
    Was there anything ever more embarrassing than Bill Clinton at the debates?
    Blacks be stayin’ home on ‘Lection Day if no brotha on da tickit!

    Rich Lowry and his ilk need to realize we are past the point of no return
    WRT nonWhites, Muslims, feminists, LGBTQ’s, SJW’s, nonWestern world, etc.
    The Unz is nothing if not a daily documentation of same.
    Appeasement will no longer work.
    Even if we confess our sins( we are not perfect ).
    I don’t know exactly what that entails, but I know it to be true.

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  56. J1234 says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Charlottesville’s original Haven Monahan: that notorious rapist of a black body, Thomas Jefferson.
     
    Illuminating moment yesterday during Gov. Terry McAuliffe’s cuckfest lecture presser—watch the nodding prop black guy in the background (with the “Menace II Supremacy” t-shirt). McAuliffe:

    “You want to talk about patriots—talk about Thomas Jefferson and George Washington.”
     
    Menace’s noggin stops cold after 25 seconds of full bobblehead. Very smart brotha knows what’s up with “white allies.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8hsZAaZMj4

    I like how the black guy behind the governor is nodding in agreement until the guv says that (slave holders) George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were patriots. He wasn’t expecting that. It’s as Steve said: Jefferson and Washington are probably next on the list. Another fight for another year. Or generation.

    The governor is a success as a citizen exercising his first amendment rights, but an utter failure as a political leader. Taking sides during a volatile civil event, and telling opposing viewpoints to “go home” is statesmanship at it’s worst. My guess it was just a show to appease local leftist militants who he can’t tell to go home.

    So far, there’s been one murder committed at the event (via car crash) and, as of now, it appears that the murderer is one of the members of “Unite the Right.” An environment of hostility was going to exist at the street level, no getting around that, but when it exists at the government level, that hostility is viewed as oppression by the receiving side. That creates even greater hostility. It was only a matter of time that an alt right group reacted to having their first amendment rights (yet again) shut down by the left by responding with deadly force.

    Elected officials have, above all else, on obligation to uphold the principles of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The first amendment is one of those principles.

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    Elected officials have, above all else, on obligation to uphold the principles of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The first amendment is one of those principles.
     
    http://i.imgur.com/QEJ7Yfe.jpg
    , @Mr. Anon

    The governor is a success as a citizen exercising his first amendment rights, but an utter failure as a political leader.
     
    No, McAwful has been pretty successful as a politician, and will continue to be. An utter lack of principles and being a big wheel in the Clinton Machine will do that for you. And he probably sees this event as providing him with a stepping stone to the White House in 2020.
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  57. Anon7 says:

    It’s disturbing that the Left now have a simple way to quash the right to assemble for anyone they disagree with:

    “What eyewitnesses described as rolling fist fights and battles with thrown projectiles broke out almost immediately after the hundreds of “Alt Right” activists and other white nationalist rallygoers made their way to the statue of Robert E. Lee, whose potential removal was the event’s primary ostensible concern. A state of emergency was quickly declared and the assembly designated unlawful.

    (From Breitbart)

    There’s really no limit to the destruction of cultural heritage and past history. For example, George Washington became a slave owner at age 11. He bought more slaves over the course of his life, and acquired many more upon marriage through his wife. He treated some slaves severely, with whippings and even selling some to new owners in the West Indies to get rid of them. Slaves ran away from Mount Vernon repeatedly.

    So, I guess that big monument in Washington has to go…

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    While we're at it, shouldn't we be yanking up Muslim mosques all over the US? That includes the Black Muslim variety that Malcolm X was so fond of. And, for that matter, since 'ol Malcolm was a supporter, shouldn't we be removing his name from schools, roads, etc?

    After all, if we are going to be honest about it, Muslims are the greatest enslavers the world has ever known. Institutional slavery there extended back far before the Western dalliance with it, and far after it was over here. It didn't end in Saudi Arabia, the home of the Prophet until 1962! Muslims were the slave drivers creating African slavery and the Ottomans also enslaved over a million white European Christians. One could easily make the argument that the Muslim slave trade was instrumental, if not causative, of slavery in the West.

    And even though it was quite short in the West, the West eventually recognized it as evil, condemned it, and tried to quash it in other places. Where was the Islamic (or any other non-white) group equivalence of that? It only ended in the Middle East from pressure from the West.

    Seems to me that if we are going to be logically consistent, we should be removing everything Muslim before we start yanking down Confederate statues, given the much greater significance to slavery.

    For that matter, wasn't there a significant Jewish presence in the slave trade as well? Certainly historical accounts of slavery abound in Jewish history. Not to mention genocide and conquest. Maybe we should be doing some yanking over that as well?

    And how about the Mayans, the Incans, the Chinese, Japanese..?. Seems to me that if we truly want to start digging into this, someone naughty who knows their past could make the case that every other people on the earth need to have priority to have their history erased before the white man's is due.
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  58. ia says:
    @Emblematic
    This video is much clearer than others:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Weg3fP0lZmE

    Powerful images, thanks. My impressions and two cents: The frenzy of the mob. Dumb violent animals. Many with clubs. 3rd-world. Democrats.

    The mob enraged by and enthralled to images. Manipulators of images are getting what they secretly want. Days of Rage. But unlike the 60s they are in power. Media stokes and manipulates resentment in a lust for power (they blame Trump). And then with images of their self-induced defilement of civility (like pornography) they can further inculcate people to completely accept and ritualize resentment.

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  59. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Statues on college campuses are likely to go first. Then statues in public places like parks and government buildings. Especially of the USA’s founding fathers, but war heroes and others too. Statues of miscellaneous non-Americans (mostly from Europe, including Michelangelo’s David) will be lower priority, maybe even lasting til a seperate purge, a generation later.

    Statues related to the civil war will be the most suspect — because civil war relates to slavery and any such statues are ‘reminders of the culture of slavery’ — never mind they celebrate the END of slavery and those who fought AGAINST it. This includes the Statue of Liberty, though the poem plaque will have to be saved for whatever replaces it.

    I expect the founding fathers will be removed from money as well in related movements, but I can’t predict how closely related, or which will go first — maybe they’ll just chip away at both one step at a time.

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  60. @Emblematic
    This video is much clearer than others:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Weg3fP0lZmE

    All of these will be relevant at trial, but here’s what I’d say is a better view, of the lead-up, from behind:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/brennanmgilmore/status/896434516260212737/video/1

    The Twitter poster says it’s “definitely deliberate” but there’s still not enough context from this to tell. You can hear the tires squeal as he takes off, but it’s tough to tell why. The road in front of him appears clear (which gave him a tragic amount of space to accelerate) but people are quickly running behind him. The defense at trial will no doubt be that the bat swinging and car swarming you see immediately after he impacts the silver Lexus had already started farther back on the street and he was simply panicking trying to escape.

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    He might have been drunk or in some other manner impaired. When you sow violence and chaos, you get violent and chaotic outcomes. It's very sad but not surprising.
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  61. ia says:
    @Detective Club
    When Congress comes back from its summertime break, what are the Vegas odds that Maxine Waters introduces legislation in the House banning Thomas Jefferson from the nickel in favor of Nat Turner's Rebellion? The only hitch stopping the change is Nat Turner was so busy killing White women and children, that a new nickel, in his honor, is far too small to faithfully depict the full bloody tableau of Nat Turner's Anti-Slavery Rebellion, which took place in 19th Century Virginia. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell will probably go along with the proposed change to our coinage. President Trump will sign the legislation because he has forgotten what a nickel is and because he is much too busy sending the US Army to Venezuela.
    https://youtu.be/GGVsEDldJIo
    Kicking Andrew Jackson off the $20 bill was just the beginning. The new Harriet Tubman plates for the new $20 will be ready to go at the US Bureau of Engraving & Printing in 2020 - - - plenty of time to get Jefferson off the nickel and hire some fully qualified AA metal engravers and die setters for the new Nat Turner nickel!
    https://youtu.be/NAuq8BxG8gk

    hire some fully qualified AA metal engravers and die setters for the new Nat Turner nickel!

    Yes, they can get the job through US Gov “disadvantaged” contracts.

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    "hire some fully qualified AA metal engravers and die setters for the new Nat Turner nickel!"

    Yes, they can get the job through US Gov “disadvantaged” contracts.

     

    Oh, so Indians and Pakistanis can do it.
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  62. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Emblematic
    This video is much clearer than others:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Weg3fP0lZmE

    This might actually be a difficult prosecution; one could reasonably argue that the driver felt he was under attack. What events happened before this footage is a key question.

    The reported driver (who I will not name) fits a very usual pattern for one afflicted with mental illness. The reported “washing out” in army boot camp is a classic “tell”, I imagine we’ll be hearing more about his mental state. Similar to the van driver in London.

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    Things are getting clearer. From WCPO news Cincinnati. According to his high school history teacher, Derek Weimer:


    "[The driver] was very infatuated with the Nazis, with Adolf Hitler. He also had a huge military history, especially with German military history and World War II. But, he was pretty infatuated with that stuff.

    "In his freshman year, he had an issue with that that was raised, and from then on we knew that he had those issues. I developed a good rapport with him and used that rapport to constantly try to steer him away from those beliefs to show clear examples -- why that thinking is wrong, why their beliefs were evil, you know, things like that," Weimer said.

    He said those views, combined with [the driver's] history of being prescribed antipsychotic medication [emphasis mine], may have been a "perfect storm."
     
    I like how the reporter just tosses that "history of being prescribed antipsychotic medication" in there. I'm left wondering why the driver might have been prescribed an antipsychotic medication? It's a mystery isn't it?
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  63. Jack D says:

    In today’s NYT, Dyson says that Charlottesville is Trump’s fault. But the Robert E. Lee statue stood there for 100 years. One thing that is very well known in all racially tense situations is that upsetting the status quo can lead to instability. Race riots that consume an entire city often begin after a single arrest. One match can light a forest fire. In Israel recently, the Israelis installed metal detectors on the entrances to the Temple Mount as a response to recent police shootings. These detectors are found everywhere nowadays and were reasonable security measures but because it was a change in the status quo it provoked a major Palestinian backlash and the Israelis were forced to back off. So the fault lies not with Trump (who had nothing at all to do with this) but with whoever thought that they could advance the black side of the culture wars by chipping away a bit at white symbols. In its face it seems relatively innocuous but anyone with any sense knows that changing the status quo constitutes a provocation and maybe they even intended to provoke a backlash figuring that the backlash would only advance their cause further.

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    Well put.
    , @Opinionator
    One thing that is very well known in all racially tense situations is that upsetting the status quo can lead to instability.

    Can you provide a helpful academic citation for this proposition?
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  64. @Dave Pinsen

    Erdely is not an original thinker, so I presume her resentment of Jefferson’s prestige is not original to her.
     
    Maybe she reads the National Review? Here's Rich Lowry:

    —I’ve been skeptical of the rush to pull up Confederate monuments, and Robert E. Lee—the focus in Charlottesville—is not Nathan Bedford Forrest. But if the monuments are going to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, maybe they really do need to go.
     

    Bending over athwart history, and yelling Go.

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    Continuing tragedy of NR's fall.
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  65. Surprised that the man who wrote:

    ‘All men are created equal’

    has so many fans here.

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    Do you never grow tired of your tedious trolling?
    , @Jim Don Bob
    All men are created equal in the eyes of God and and are equal before that law. That's it. You confuse equality with identity.
    , @Anonymous
    Liberals like to leave off the second part "that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." Kind of changes things doesn't it?

    He obviously didn't buy into the libtard idiocy that all people are equal in every way and interchangeable. Something even they don't really believe. With stacking orders, scapegoating white men for minority failures, blatant persecution of whites, etc., it's clear they really mean "all men are equal, but some men are more equal than others."
    , @Palerider1861

    Surprised that the man who wrote:

    ‘All men are created equal’

    has so many fans here.
     
    And knowing what we do about Thomas Jefferson, do you really think he was referring to blacks, free or otherwise, as men? They were, and are, a subspecies, and Southerners who have had the most experience living with them, know this implicitly.
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  66. Whiskey says: • Website

    Well of COURSE every monument to a White person will go. We are now in the “hunting the last White man into the weeds” territory.

    The Charlottesville rally was a disaster. If Spencer was actively in the employ of Soros he could not have done a better job. Letting David Duke and the KKK and Nazi-LARPers be the face of your rally was a Soros move. IT GUARANTEES Normies are hostile.

    For the simple reason that Catholics will figure they’ll be next, as victims of the KKK, which historically they were targets more than Blacks in the 1920s. And most everyone not German will figure the next final solution will have them inside a gas chamber.

    This is why the Holocaust has such a hold: that people who are not Jewish “care” about Jews is hogwash. They never have and never will. That ordinary White people are not “ethnically pure” and not Aryan Superman and could figure they’d be next is a slam dunk.

    I like ZMan but he’s FLAT OUT WRONG. No political movement ever held power like acting in the manner of the Diablos or Hells Angels. It held power by raising money, raising votes, and controlling critical parts of the government and business. The Black Civil Rights/Black Supremacy movement, which is now reaching its height in pursuing the last White men into the weeds, what it was all about in the first place, was successful because it had the backing of the NYT for business and cultural reasons; along with the rest of the media; and the backing of the Progressives, i.e. semi-hereditary mandarins controlling much of the civil service.

    The Alt-Right is DEAD DEAD DEAD. Already Paypal and other payment services like Go Fund Me and Patreon are dropping people; STEVE IS NEXT predictably just as Twitter, Google, and Fakebook unperson and shadow ban or outright ban people. Add to this the DOJ pursuing each and ever member of the Alt-Right after having trolled Donald Trump into thinking they really do want to kill his kids and grandkids — and its over.

    Nice Job Soros/Spencer!

    What we need instead is a social/political movement akin to Sinn Fein, or the Orangemen, that both takes care of its own — with its own payment systems, micro messaging, BANKING (the big and small banks are dropping and freezing accounts of the Alt-Right because they can). One that YES parades through enemy territory with its own off-duty cops to provide security; but most importantly offers PROTECTION and EMPLOYMENT and CARE from a hostile society determined to exterminate White men. White men are the equivalent of a the Shia in a Sunni Society. We ought to act accordingly, realizing that Donald Trump is at least as hostile to us thanks to Soros/Spencer as he is to Kim, and probably more than he is to Hillary (who never paraded around implying she’d gas his grandkids).

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    The Alt-Right is DEAD DEAD DEAD. Already Paypal and other payment services like Go Fund Me and Patreon are dropping people; STEVE IS NEXT predictably just as Twitter, Google, and Fakebook unperson and shadow ban or outright ban people. Add to this the DOJ pursuing each and ever member of the Alt-Right after having trolled Donald Trump into thinking they really do want to kill his kids and grandkids — and its over.

    Hang on, weren't the alt-right DEAD DEAD DEAD after that episode where Trump disavowed them? BUT BUT BUT how did they just stage a big rally in Cville? Any time SOON SOON SOON now I suppose.
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  67. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Harlot’s Ville treats white patriots like IDF treats Palestinians in West Bank. That’s not right.

    https://altright.com/2017/08/13/charlottesville-was-a-turning-point-for-white-people-in-america/

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  68. DC says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    I have no doubt that there will be a movement to ban Thomas Jefferson and even George Washington. And I can imagine someone like Rich Lowry or Orrin Hatch saying, "If the Jefferson monuments are going to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, maybe they really do need to go." I take the opposite approach, if you want to stop neo-Nazis, don't let them be the only be the only voice for a reasonable position.

    The “Great Emancipater” would be next if they really studied what he thought about blacks, including wanting to ship them all back to Africa.

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  69. res says:
    @SWVirginian
    Funny as in odd.

    I was at a fund-raiser this week for a local museum when the issue of removing the statues in Richmond and Charlottesville came up. One person was adamantly against removal, and I agreed, adding that it wouldn't stop with Lee and Jackson. Washington and Jefferson and who knows who will be next because they owned slaves.

    Back in the 70's there was a really droll cartoon I saw in a magazine - maybe Playboy. It's an upscale cocktail party, maybe with academics, and folks are standing around in groups talking. One group is a white guy dressed fashionably in slacks and a sweater, drink in hand, smile on face. He's taking to a black guy in full African regalia of the time, drink in hand, scowl on face.

    The white guy is saying, "Well, anybody who's been oppressing you for 400 years would have to be older than I am!"

    Exactly.

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    Thanks! I may have the clothes wrong - or it could be a slightly different cartoon - but I will keep this link! Priceless!!
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  70. The coming deconstruction of America’s Founding Fathers became inevitable the moment the sheeple accepted the Narrative that the Confederate Generals were “traitors”. The cancer that is the Left shall not be excised; neither shall it cease to spread until our entire heritage has been consigned to the flames of Perdition.

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  71. Lot says:
    @Altai
    I've been skeptical of the neo-reactionaries taking up fascist imagery, but if it's going to cause Rich Lowry to lose sleep maybe they should go full Nazi.

    Yeah cause politics is about feeling superior and shocking the bourgeoisie.

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  72. Lot says:
    @neutral
    I fail to see how it could end any other way, if I were a Mexican or Somali or Chinese person living in America I would not really care about Jefferson or Washington, why would I ? Note that I am not trying to debate the merits or demerits of Jefferson or Washington, I am merely pointing out that expecting people to honour someone that is completely foreign to you as your founding father is only something very altruistic whites can do.

    I am not American and thus have zero reverence to the US founding fathers, but to those that are American, didn't Jefferson say "all men are equal". With that being the case, isn't the push for removal by the new people that populate the lands the result of his very own ideas ?

    Some of the “new people” in the South are white Northerners descended from Union soldiers and postbellum immigrants.

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    >and postbellum immigrants

    Certainly true. In an early video I saw the alt-right guys carrying signs that said ' The Jews will not replace us'. They have figured out who is advocating for white people replacement in Europe and America.
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  73. Lot says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    I have no doubt that there will be a movement to ban Thomas Jefferson and even George Washington. And I can imagine someone like Rich Lowry or Orrin Hatch saying, "If the Jefferson monuments are going to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, maybe they really do need to go." I take the opposite approach, if you want to stop neo-Nazis, don't let them be the only be the only voice for a reasonable position.

    Washington and Jefferson have already been removed from many public school names.

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    The traditional Washington & Lee vs. Washington & Jefferson Thanksgiving weekend "Slavers' Bowl" is going to be canceled?
    , @Barnard
    I was in Dallas earlier this year and surprised to drive past a school named after Stonewall Jackson. I wonder how long it will be before it is renamed.
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  74. Wilkey says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Charlottesville’s original Haven Monahan: that notorious rapist of a black body, Thomas Jefferson.
     
    Illuminating moment yesterday during Gov. Terry McAuliffe’s cuckfest lecture presser—watch the nodding prop black guy in the background (with the “Menace II Supremacy” t-shirt). McAuliffe:

    “You want to talk about patriots—talk about Thomas Jefferson and George Washington.”
     
    Menace’s noggin stops cold after 25 seconds of full bobblehead. Very smart brotha knows what’s up with “white allies.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8hsZAaZMj4

    More and more leftists seem to be taking this position: if you don’t agree with us you don’t belong here. You don’t belong at this university (Yale), you don’t belong at this company (Google), and now more and more politicians stating you don’t belong in this city or state.

    The only appropriate answer to these people is “fuck you.”

    The black guy who stops nodding his head at the mention of Washington and Jefferson is an indication of things to come. These people will not be happy until they have banished our heroes and replaced them with their own. They want to displace us the way we displaced the natives. Every time we yield to them we lose. The Civil War ended 152 years ago. We’ve made our peace, we’ve allowed the South to honor their dead and their heroes. That’s the way it should be, the way it has been for 152 years, and the way it should remain.

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    Good, let them. We can split off into our own nation and they can have theirs. SJWs can live in the new SSA-Snowflake States of America.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Quite true. Well said.
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  75. Wilkey says:

    “Surprised that the man who wrote: ‘All men are created equal’ has so many fans here.”

    He did not believe that they were created equal in all ways. Only that they were equal in having been “endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights.” How many commenters here disagree with that? Not many.

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    Yeah.Jefferson was well-aware that people are unequal in terms of their natural abilities:

    Jefferson writing to Adams:

    For I agree with you that there is a natural aristocracy among men. The grounds of this are virtue and talents. Formerly bodily powers gave place among the aristoi. But since the invention of gunpowder has armed the weak as well as the strong with missile death, bodily strength, like beauty, good humor, politeness and other accomplishments, has become but an auxiliary ground of distinction. There is also an artificial aristocracy founded on wealth and birth, without either virtue or talents; for with these it would belong to the first class. The natural aristocracy I consider as the most precious gift of nature for the instruction, the trusts, and government of society. And indeed it would have been inconsistent in creation to have formed man for the social state, and not to have provided virtue and wisdom enough to manage the concerns of the society. May we not even say that that form of government is the best which provides the most effectually for a pure selection of these natural aristoi into the offices of government? The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provision should be made to prevent it’s ascendancy.
     
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  76. L Woods says:
    @anony-mouse
    Surprised that the man who wrote:

    'All men are created equal'

    has so many fans here.

    Do you never grow tired of your tedious trolling?

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  77. Thomas says:

    Steve’s got it right before: it’s Robert E. Lee today, it’ll be Jefferson tomorrow, and in a generation, it’ll be FDR (over redlining).

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    FDR saved the Jews.
    , @Anonymous
    By then the lake will have turned over and there will be a huge statue at UI-Urbana of Revilo Oliver.
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  78. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @syonredux

    didn’t Jefferson say “all men are equal”. With that being the case, isn’t the push for removal by the new people that populate the lands the result of his very own ideas ?
     
    Jefferson had a lot of ideas:

    The first difference [between whites and blacks] which strikes us is that of color. . . . The
    difference is fixed in nature, and is as real as if its seat and cause were better known to us. And is
    this difference of no importance? Is it not the foundation of a greater or less share of beauty in
    the two races? Are not the fine mixtures of red and white, the expressions of every passion by
    greater or less suffusions of color in the one, preferable to that eternal monotony, which reigns in
    the countenances, that immoveable veil of black which covers all the emotions of the other race?
    Add to these, flowing hair, a more elegant symmetry of form, their own judgment in favor of the
    whites, declared by their preference of them, as uniformly as is the preference of the orangutan
    for the black women over those of his own species. The circumstance of superior beauty, is
    thought worthy attention in the propagation of our horses, dogs, and other domestic animals;
    why not in that of man? . .
     

    Comparing them by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me,
    that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as I think one [black] could
    scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in
    imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous. It would be unfair to follow them to Africa
    for this investigation. We will consider them here, on the same stage with the whites, and where
    the facts are not apocryphal on which a judgment is to be formed. It will be right to make great
    allowances for the difference of condition, of education, of conversation, of the sphere in which
    they move. Many millions of them have been brought to, and born in America. Most of them
    indeed have been confined to tillage, to their own homes, and their own society: yet many have
    been so situated, that they might have availed themselves of the conversation of their masters;
    many have been brought up to the handicraft arts, and from that circumstance have always been
    associated with the whites. Some have been liberally educated, and all have lived in countries
    where the arts and sciences are cultivated to a considerable degree, and have had before their
    eyes samples of the best works from abroad. The Indians, with no advantages of this kind, will
    often carve figures on their pipes not destitute of design and merit. They will crayon out an
    animal, a plant, or a country, so as to prove the existence of a germ in their minds which only
    wants cultivation. They astonish you with strokes of the most sublime oratory; such as prove their
    reason and sentiment strong, their imagination glowing and elevated. But never yet could I find
    that a black had uttered a thought above the level of plain narration; never see even an
    elementary trait of painting or sculpture. In music they are more generally gifted than the whites
    with accurate ears for tune and time . . . . Whether they will be equal to the composition of a
    more extensive run of melody, or of complicated harmony, is yet to be proved. Misery is often
    the parent of the most affecting touches in poetry. —Among the blacks is misery enough, God
    knows, but no poetry.
     
    And here was Jefferson's solution to the Black-White problem in America:

    Jefferson, along with many other Americans, combined plans for emancipation with colonization―moving freed slaves outside the U.S. "I have seen no proposition so expedient . . . as that of emancipation of those [slaves] born after a given day, and of their education and expatriation at a proper age," Jefferson wrote in 1814.

    He eventually decided that Africa was the best destination.
     
    https://www.monticello.org/slavery-at-monticello/liberty-slavery/solution-jefferson-proposes-colonization

    Yeah, but he didn’t elevate those various other ideas like he did the egalitarian idea in the founding documents.

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  79. Mr. Anon says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Erdely is not an original thinker, so I presume her resentment of Jefferson’s prestige is not original to her.
     
    Maybe she reads the National Review? Here's Rich Lowry:

    —I’ve been skeptical of the rush to pull up Confederate monuments, and Robert E. Lee—the focus in Charlottesville—is not Nathan Bedford Forrest. But if the monuments are going to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, maybe they really do need to go.
     

    The National Review: Lying prone beneath history, whispering “Be gentle”.

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    Excellent.
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  80. @anony-mouse
    Surprised that the man who wrote:

    'All men are created equal'

    has so many fans here.

    All men are created equal in the eyes of God and and are equal before that law. That’s it. You confuse equality with identity.

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    Which reminds me: Wasn't it Chesterton who wrote how good it was that all men were created equal because they had certainly evolved unequally?
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  81. Mr. Anon says:
    @ia

    hire some fully qualified AA metal engravers and die setters for the new Nat Turner nickel!
     
    Yes, they can get the job through US Gov "disadvantaged" contracts.

    “hire some fully qualified AA metal engravers and die setters for the new Nat Turner nickel!”

    Yes, they can get the job through US Gov “disadvantaged” contracts.

    Oh, so Indians and Pakistanis can do it.

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    I would think just about anyone except white guys.
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  82. Mr. Anon says:

    The first thing I thought when I heard about the rally and it’s aftermath yesterday was that it will be inside of two years when the Jefferson statue is removed from the UVA campus. I’ll bet there are students and professors working on it already.

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  83. whoever says: • Website
    @J1234
    I like how the black guy behind the governor is nodding in agreement until the guv says that (slave holders) George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were patriots. He wasn't expecting that. It's as Steve said: Jefferson and Washington are probably next on the list. Another fight for another year. Or generation.

    The governor is a success as a citizen exercising his first amendment rights, but an utter failure as a political leader. Taking sides during a volatile civil event, and telling opposing viewpoints to "go home" is statesmanship at it's worst. My guess it was just a show to appease local leftist militants who he can't tell to go home.

    So far, there's been one murder committed at the event (via car crash) and, as of now, it appears that the murderer is one of the members of "Unite the Right." An environment of hostility was going to exist at the street level, no getting around that, but when it exists at the government level, that hostility is viewed as oppression by the receiving side. That creates even greater hostility. It was only a matter of time that an alt right group reacted to having their first amendment rights (yet again) shut down by the left by responding with deadly force.

    Elected officials have, above all else, on obligation to uphold the principles of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The first amendment is one of those principles.

    Elected officials have, above all else, on obligation to uphold the principles of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The first amendment is one of those principles.

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  84. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Usually the instigators of violence at right wing events turn out to be leftist shills. In fact prior to the election a DNC operative (who unbeknownst to him, was being recorded) admitted to paying off people to do just that.

    It doesn’t surprise me though that a conservative white man could eventually be getting to a point where he says enough is enough and starts kicking ass and taking names. What is surprising is that far more aren’t behaving this way.

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  85. Mr. Anon says:
    @J1234
    I like how the black guy behind the governor is nodding in agreement until the guv says that (slave holders) George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were patriots. He wasn't expecting that. It's as Steve said: Jefferson and Washington are probably next on the list. Another fight for another year. Or generation.

    The governor is a success as a citizen exercising his first amendment rights, but an utter failure as a political leader. Taking sides during a volatile civil event, and telling opposing viewpoints to "go home" is statesmanship at it's worst. My guess it was just a show to appease local leftist militants who he can't tell to go home.

    So far, there's been one murder committed at the event (via car crash) and, as of now, it appears that the murderer is one of the members of "Unite the Right." An environment of hostility was going to exist at the street level, no getting around that, but when it exists at the government level, that hostility is viewed as oppression by the receiving side. That creates even greater hostility. It was only a matter of time that an alt right group reacted to having their first amendment rights (yet again) shut down by the left by responding with deadly force.

    Elected officials have, above all else, on obligation to uphold the principles of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The first amendment is one of those principles.

    The governor is a success as a citizen exercising his first amendment rights, but an utter failure as a political leader.

    No, McAwful has been pretty successful as a politician, and will continue to be. An utter lack of principles and being a big wheel in the Clinton Machine will do that for you. And he probably sees this event as providing him with a stepping stone to the White House in 2020.

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  86. Rev. Pete says:

    Monuments? Meh! Tear ‘em all down – All of them! Screw all these supposedly sacrosanct heroes. They all stood for what they stood for so all you fools could kill each other over “my hero’s better than your hero”. “My god’s better than yours.” “My skin color’s better than yours.”

    YOU’RE NOT FIGHTING THE REAL ENEMY! You’re bowing to their whims according to their plans. They’re fucking with you and you believe them. To kill each other as much as possible so they don’t have to until they really need to. Can’t any of you see this clearly?

    When you gonna wake up? There is no ‘Left’ or ‘Right’. There is only up or down.

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  87. DC says:
    @Bugg
    Basically 2 groups of idiots too stupid to go to the beach or pool on a nice summer day. Trump's response was perfect.

    Make no mistake; the antifa BLM morons will soon demand the dismantling of the Jefferson and Washington Memorials. And probably the renaming of the capital; Medgar Evers City, perhaps? And part of me wants to grant their insane wishes by simple fiat. But the caveat is, does that come any closer to solving the myriad of pathologies in Da Commun-ity. Removing a bunch of old statues that were until recently target practice for pigeons and gulls does nothing for any of that either. The disconnect, lack of priorities, inability to grasp what matters are simply incomprehensible .

    Tupac City

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  88. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anony-mouse
    Surprised that the man who wrote:

    'All men are created equal'

    has so many fans here.

    Liberals like to leave off the second part “that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.” Kind of changes things doesn’t it?

    He obviously didn’t buy into the libtard idiocy that all people are equal in every way and interchangeable. Something even they don’t really believe. With stacking orders, scapegoating white men for minority failures, blatant persecution of whites, etc., it’s clear they really mean “all men are equal, but some men are more equal than others.”

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  89. Mr. Anon says:
    @AndrewR
    Multiple people had bats and were hyperquick to start using them and we're supposed to believe this was a "peaceful march"? Perhaps the girl who died was peaceful but she was hanging with the wrong crowd.

    Perhaps the girl who died was peaceful but she was hanging with the wrong crowd.

    Perhaps she was just crossing the street on a personal errand, completely unrelated to the rally or the counter-rally. Charlottesville is a city; people do live there. In any event, she had every right to not be killed by a lunatic driving a car.

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    It may be the car was attacked by antifas, he panicked and "feared for his life."
    , @anonymous

    Perhaps she was just crossing the street on a personal errand, completely unrelated to the rally or the counter-rally.
     
    From the NY Times:

    Ms. Heyer lived alone with her Chihuahua, Violet, who was named after her favorite color.

    For her, activism was about more than just “sitting behind your computer screen,” Ms. Blair said. “You gotta get out in your community and do things.”

    Ms. Heyer and her friends were walking together at the protest when a car crashed into the crowd.
     
    , @AndrewR
    No she was a committed progbot. Do your research before making smartass comments at me.
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  90. DC says:
    @Wilkey
    More and more leftists seem to be taking this position: if you don't agree with us you don't belong here. You don't belong at this university (Yale), you don't belong at this company (Google), and now more and more politicians stating you don't belong in this city or state.

    The only appropriate answer to these people is "fuck you."

    The black guy who stops nodding his head at the mention of Washington and Jefferson is an indication of things to come. These people will not be happy until they have banished our heroes and replaced them with their own. They want to displace us the way we displaced the natives. Every time we yield to them we lose. The Civil War ended 152 years ago. We've made our peace, we've allowed the South to honor their dead and their heroes. That's the way it should be, the way it has been for 152 years, and the way it should remain.

    Good, let them. We can split off into our own nation and they can have theirs. SJWs can live in the new SSA-Snowflake States of America.

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  91. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I’m reposting a comment and a link to a very interesting video that were posted by a commenter on Rod Dreher’s blog in reaction to something that Rod posted on the recent incidents at Charlottesville.

    1984…

    3:45
    “Simply because, the psychological shock, when they will see in future, what the beautiful society of equality and social justice means, in practice, obviously they will revolt. They will be very unhappy, frustrated people. And the Marxist-Leninist regime does not tolerate these people. Obviously, they will join the lists of dissenters…dissidents. And, unlike in present United States (sic:1984) **there will be no place for dissent in future Marxist-Leninist America**

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0wakec06NlA

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    The video is of "KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov's warning to America".
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  92. The dangerousness of these times cannot be exaggerated.
    I see Zimbabwe/Rhodesia, present day South Africa, Dr. Zhivago type shit
    in the future for cis White males.
    First they came for the monuments…

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    I see Zimbabwe/Rhodesia, present day South Africa, Dr. Zhivago type shit
    in the future for cis White males.
    First they came for the monuments…


    In ten years time we will be prying the Lazarus poem of the statue of Liberty, liberating the statue as it were.
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  93. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    I'm reposting a comment and a link to a very interesting video that were posted by a commenter on Rod Dreher's blog in reaction to something that Rod posted on the recent incidents at Charlottesville.

    1984…

    3:45
    “Simply because, the psychological shock, when they will see in future, what the beautiful society of equality and social justice means, in practice, obviously they will revolt. They will be very unhappy, frustrated people. And the Marxist-Leninist regime does not tolerate these people. Obviously, they will join the lists of dissenters…dissidents. And, unlike in present United States (sic:1984) **there will be no place for dissent in future Marxist-Leninist America**”
     
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0wakec06NlA

    The video is of “KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov’s warning to America”.

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  94. And while we’re at it, America will have to go too.

    …the slaves whom Alonso de Hojeda and Amerigo Vespucci brought back from the Bahamas after their journeys of discovery along the north coast of South America in 1499. (“We agreed to seize shiploads of the inhabitants as slaves, and to load the ships with them and turn toward Spain. We went to certain islands and took by force two hundred and thirty-two persons and set course for Castile.” Two hundred survived the journey, to be sold in Cádiz.) … Vespucci [also] brought back slaves from his voyage along the coast of Brazil, and these Cristóbal Guerra sold as well, in Cádiz, Jerez, and Córdoba… In Seville, Vespucci when he died had five slaves in his household, of whom two were African, one Canary Island, and two mixed Spanish and Canary (the two last may have been Amerigo’s bastards).

    Hugh Thomas, The Slave Trade: The Story of the Atlantic Slave Trade: 1440 – 1870

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    Probably everyone alive today has an ancestor who owned slaves. So we will have to burn all history books. And live with the knowledge that our ancestors owned slaves but that we do not know their names. But, ideally, we will forget that slavery ever existed.
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  95. LondonBob says:

    Looks like some folks looking for trouble found it. The US does seem to be moving towards some sort of event, Trump might delay it but he won’t stop it.

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    Looks like some folks looking for trouble found it.

    Who do you think was looking for trouble? The legal protest was just trying to stop a statue of Lee from being removed from Lee park.
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  96. Mr. Anon says:
    @Wilkey
    More and more leftists seem to be taking this position: if you don't agree with us you don't belong here. You don't belong at this university (Yale), you don't belong at this company (Google), and now more and more politicians stating you don't belong in this city or state.

    The only appropriate answer to these people is "fuck you."

    The black guy who stops nodding his head at the mention of Washington and Jefferson is an indication of things to come. These people will not be happy until they have banished our heroes and replaced them with their own. They want to displace us the way we displaced the natives. Every time we yield to them we lose. The Civil War ended 152 years ago. We've made our peace, we've allowed the South to honor their dead and their heroes. That's the way it should be, the way it has been for 152 years, and the way it should remain.

    Quite true. Well said.

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  97. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @SonOfStrom
    All of these will be relevant at trial, but here's what I'd say is a better view, of the lead-up, from behind:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/brennanmgilmore/status/896434516260212737/video/1

    The Twitter poster says it's "definitely deliberate" but there's still not enough context from this to tell. You can hear the tires squeal as he takes off, but it's tough to tell why. The road in front of him appears clear (which gave him a tragic amount of space to accelerate) but people are quickly running behind him. The defense at trial will no doubt be that the bat swinging and car swarming you see immediately after he impacts the silver Lexus had already started farther back on the street and he was simply panicking trying to escape.

    He might have been drunk or in some other manner impaired. When you sow violence and chaos, you get violent and chaotic outcomes. It’s very sad but not surprising.

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    Agreed. It could have also been simple, stupid rage and/or frustration with things dissolving so badly. It will all be hashed-out in painstaking detail at trial I'm sure.
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  98. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Dave Pinsen

    Erdely is not an original thinker, so I presume her resentment of Jefferson’s prestige is not original to her.
     
    Maybe she reads the National Review? Here's Rich Lowry:

    —I’ve been skeptical of the rush to pull up Confederate monuments, and Robert E. Lee—the focus in Charlottesville—is not Nathan Bedford Forrest. But if the monuments are going to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, maybe they really do need to go.
     

    Since it turned out to be a kid from Ohio, shouldn’t we be yanking up Union monuments instead?

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    One idea might be to do something like they did when creating the Euro. To avoid disputes about which landmarks to put on the bills, they put generic ones. Since all American historical figures are flawed, we can replace them with less offensive ones.
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  99. @Thomas
    Steve's got it right before: it's Robert E. Lee today, it'll be Jefferson tomorrow, and in a generation, it'll be FDR (over redlining).

    FDR saved the Jews.

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    FDR saved the Jews.
     
    Stalin saved the Jews.

    And lots of Jews have very negative feelings towards FDR these days:

    What FDR said about Jews in private
    His personal sentiments about Jews may help explain America's tepid response to the Holocaust.
     

    In 1923, as a member of the Harvard board of directors, Roosevelt decided there were too many Jewish students at the college and helped institute a quota to limit the number admitted. In 1938, he privately suggested that Jews in Poland were dominating the economy and were therefore to blame for provoking anti-Semitism there. In 1941, he remarked at a Cabinet meeting that there were too many Jews among federal employees in Oregon. In 1943, he told government officials in Allied-liberated North Africa that the number of local Jews in various professions "should be definitely limited" so as to "eliminate the specific and understandable complaints which the Germans bore towards the Jews in Germany."

    There is evidence of other troubling private remarks by FDR too, including dismissing pleas for Jewish refugees as "Jewish wailing" and "sob stuff"; expressing (to a senator ) his pride that "there is no Jewish blood in our veins"; and characterizing a tax maneuver by a Jewish newspaper publisher as "a dirty Jewish trick." But the most common theme in Roosevelt's private statements about Jews has to do with his perception that they were "overcrowding" many professions and exercising undue influence.

    This attitude dovetails with what is known about FDR's views regarding immigrants in general and Asian immigrants in particular. In one 1920 interview, he complained about immigrants "crowding" into the cities and said "the remedy for this should be the distribution of aliens in various parts of the country." In a series of articles for the Macon (Ga.) Daily Telegraph and for Asia magazine in the 1920s, he warned against granting citizenship to "non-assimilable immigrants" and opposed Japanese immigration on the grounds that "mingling Asiatic blood with European or American blood produces, in nine cases out of ten, the most unfortunate results." He recommended that future immigration should be limited to those who had "blood of the right sort."
     
    http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/07/opinion/la-oe-medoff-roosevelt-holocaust-20130407
    , @Anonymous
    Roosevelt refused to bomb Auschwitz even though he know what was going on there. This came out in the 1990s and permanently soured Jewish attitudes towards him.
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  100. syonredux says:
    @Wilkey
    "Surprised that the man who wrote: 'All men are created equal’ has so many fans here."

    He did not believe that they were created equal in all ways. Only that they were equal in having been "endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights." How many commenters here disagree with that? Not many.

    Yeah.Jefferson was well-aware that people are unequal in terms of their natural abilities:

    Jefferson writing to Adams:

    For I agree with you that there is a natural aristocracy among men. The grounds of this are virtue and talents. Formerly bodily powers gave place among the aristoi. But since the invention of gunpowder has armed the weak as well as the strong with missile death, bodily strength, like beauty, good humor, politeness and other accomplishments, has become but an auxiliary ground of distinction. There is also an artificial aristocracy founded on wealth and birth, without either virtue or talents; for with these it would belong to the first class. The natural aristocracy I consider as the most precious gift of nature for the instruction, the trusts, and government of society. And indeed it would have been inconsistent in creation to have formed man for the social state, and not to have provided virtue and wisdom enough to manage the concerns of the society. May we not even say that that form of government is the best which provides the most effectually for a pure selection of these natural aristoi into the offices of government? The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provision should be made to prevent it’s ascendancy.

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  101. FKA Max says:

    I tried my best but once again violence rules over speech and ideas in #Charlottesville. The first amendment is finished it seems.

    https://twitter.com/TheMadDimension/status/896823075295068160

    The Left Charges Jason Kessler’s Podium in Charlottesville During his Press Conference

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4786996/Organizer-rally-mobbed-gives-press-conference.html

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  102. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Lot
    Washington and Jefferson have already been removed from many public school names.

    The traditional Washington & Lee vs. Washington & Jefferson Thanksgiving weekend “Slavers’ Bowl” is going to be canceled?

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  103. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon7
    It's disturbing that the Left now have a simple way to quash the right to assemble for anyone they disagree with:

    "What eyewitnesses described as rolling fist fights and battles with thrown projectiles broke out almost immediately after the hundreds of “Alt Right” activists and other white nationalist rallygoers made their way to the statue of Robert E. Lee, whose potential removal was the event’s primary ostensible concern. A state of emergency was quickly declared and the assembly designated unlawful."

    (From Breitbart)

    There's really no limit to the destruction of cultural heritage and past history. For example, George Washington became a slave owner at age 11. He bought more slaves over the course of his life, and acquired many more upon marriage through his wife. He treated some slaves severely, with whippings and even selling some to new owners in the West Indies to get rid of them. Slaves ran away from Mount Vernon repeatedly.

    So, I guess that big monument in Washington has to go...

    While we’re at it, shouldn’t we be yanking up Muslim mosques all over the US? That includes the Black Muslim variety that Malcolm X was so fond of. And, for that matter, since ‘ol Malcolm was a supporter, shouldn’t we be removing his name from schools, roads, etc?

    After all, if we are going to be honest about it, Muslims are the greatest enslavers the world has ever known. Institutional slavery there extended back far before the Western dalliance with it, and far after it was over here. It didn’t end in Saudi Arabia, the home of the Prophet until 1962! Muslims were the slave drivers creating African slavery and the Ottomans also enslaved over a million white European Christians. One could easily make the argument that the Muslim slave trade was instrumental, if not causative, of slavery in the West.

    And even though it was quite short in the West, the West eventually recognized it as evil, condemned it, and tried to quash it in other places. Where was the Islamic (or any other non-white) group equivalence of that? It only ended in the Middle East from pressure from the West.

    Seems to me that if we are going to be logically consistent, we should be removing everything Muslim before we start yanking down Confederate statues, given the much greater significance to slavery.

    For that matter, wasn’t there a significant Jewish presence in the slave trade as well? Certainly historical accounts of slavery abound in Jewish history. Not to mention genocide and conquest. Maybe we should be doing some yanking over that as well?

    And how about the Mayans, the Incans, the Chinese, Japanese..?. Seems to me that if we truly want to start digging into this, someone naughty who knows their past could make the case that every other people on the earth need to have priority to have their history erased before the white man’s is due.

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    I agree with your points. I am particularly interested in this comment that you made, to bring it back to the discussion about the Charlottesville statue.

    "Seems to me that if we truly want to start digging into this, someone naughty who knows their past..."

    So, who exactly was it that put up these offensive Confederate statues all across the south? I wonder how many people remember what the "Solid South" means. It refers to the fact that from the end of reconstruction until the civil rights legislation of 1965 Democrats controlled the south politically. They are the ones to disenfranchise blacks, they're the ones who instituted Jim Crow laws. They are the ones who put up the statues.

    Do you think that it's a coincidence that Democrats are constantly trying to point away from themselves during this period of conflict? Do you think it's a coincidence that they're pointing at Donald Trump and shouting racist at him? They are the hypocrites here, and I guess I am no longer astonished that the national media does absolutely nothing to point it out.
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  104. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Sunbeam
    "The fact that some people at the rally were waving 1930s German Flags is also not something that needs to be apologized for and should not be a concern either. "

    I guess. I understand the sentiment about not apologizing and these guys can wave whatever flag they want.

    But while I'm quite sure Antifa/SJW types would call me a Nazi, I really never got the whole fascination with them.

    Do these guys really have some worked out set of beliefs that coincide with Hitler and the rest of them's thinking? Just as a theory I'm not really sure these guys know all that much about them. More like West Coast Choppers using an Iron Cross design on their logo. Once upon a time Bikers wore stuff like that for shock value, plus the German military had a good rep for being badass.

    I remember reading something about a suitably leftist school instructor in England talking with and trying to find out why some of his students were skinheads and wore Nazi symbols and gear.

    If I remember correctly he was more appalled at their utter ignorance of... well, anything. His "woke" students were vaguely aware there was some big to-do like a couple of decades ago. But they seemed to conflate WWI and WWII, plus they thought "we" (UK, America, Canada, places like that) fought the Soviet Union - allied with Germany.

    Then again, maybe there are dedicated Nazi cultists out there. But if you don't regard the media as reliable, and you personally have never encountered any, how do you know if they actually exist?

    I have met a lot of people though that would riff off a swastika if it pissed off the right person, or seeing a tatt of one on someone they thought was tough, like an ex-con who gets high whenever he wants, screws who he wants, and no one f#$cks with. You know the badass, hedonist model.

    Personally if I got to impose "The New Order," I'd probably try to copy 1960 America as far as practical. Probably hopeless, but you know what they say, "History doesn't repeat itself, but sometimes it rhymes."

    Many, many bikers had swastika tattoos in the sixties, seventies and eighties. I went to school with one in 2001-2002 who had a large one on his back and he was perhaps not 35 yet. (I was in my early forties.)

    It had nothing to do with Nazism or Nazi ideology: it had to do with upsetting and scaring “the citizens”.

    We had another guy iin the class who was a full-on WN of the old line William Pierce school. You never would have known it unless he decided to tell you and that after he decided you had a need to know.

    Really a fascinating guy. By contrast the biker was a dumbass.

    But in fact he was the first person I ever heard tell me something that in retrospect was obvious from the release of “Tattooed Love Boys”: he said he had friends in the Cleveland 81 and that it was open knowledge they’d turned Chrissie Hynde out and she was “property of” a certain patch holder for a short time. At the time I thought he was full of shit.

    He was dumb, but he was honest.

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    Chrissie Hynde's taste in men was rather broad: from motorcycle gangs to Sir Ray Davies ...
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  105. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Thomas
    Steve's got it right before: it's Robert E. Lee today, it'll be Jefferson tomorrow, and in a generation, it'll be FDR (over redlining).

    By then the lake will have turned over and there will be a huge statue at UI-Urbana of Revilo Oliver.

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  106. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Detective Club
    When Congress comes back from its summertime break, what are the Vegas odds that Maxine Waters introduces legislation in the House banning Thomas Jefferson from the nickel in favor of Nat Turner's Rebellion? The only hitch stopping the change is Nat Turner was so busy killing White women and children, that a new nickel, in his honor, is far too small to faithfully depict the full bloody tableau of Nat Turner's Anti-Slavery Rebellion, which took place in 19th Century Virginia. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell will probably go along with the proposed change to our coinage. President Trump will sign the legislation because he has forgotten what a nickel is and because he is much too busy sending the US Army to Venezuela.
    https://youtu.be/GGVsEDldJIo
    Kicking Andrew Jackson off the $20 bill was just the beginning. The new Harriet Tubman plates for the new $20 will be ready to go at the US Bureau of Engraving & Printing in 2020 - - - plenty of time to get Jefferson off the nickel and hire some fully qualified AA metal engravers and die setters for the new Nat Turner nickel!
    https://youtu.be/NAuq8BxG8gk

    I visited an Indian casino once and every $20 in the place was defaced. They (or someone) had a stamp to put devil horns and a goatee on Jackson and had stamped every one. Of course such bills are taken out of circ when they hit the Fed again.

    I have a feeling that every Harriet Tubman bill will see something similar.

    Well, every one I handle, anyway.

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  107. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anon
    Do they have to go in order?

    I could get behind getting rid of Lincoln worship. He actually did the sort of stuff Trump is accused of. Declared martial law. Decided to settle the culture wars with guns.

    Not to mention he was a big fan of shipping them all to Liberia. Plus he ignored all the oppressed homos, which was really regressive given he was a known, closeted gay. Or perhaps I should say 'log cabined' gay.

    Can we de-commemorate the 60+ things named for former Senator and Klansman Robert C. Byrd (or his wife Erma Ora Byrd) in West “by God” Virginia? Couldn’t they be named for Jay Rockefeller?

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  108. Jake says:

    To be consistent, the PC/SJW crowd must eradicate everything to do with the white South.

    So let’s have different nations.

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  109. @anony-mouse
    Surprised that the man who wrote:

    'All men are created equal'

    has so many fans here.

    Surprised that the man who wrote:

    ‘All men are created equal’

    has so many fans here.

    And knowing what we do about Thomas Jefferson, do you really think he was referring to blacks, free or otherwise, as men? They were, and are, a subspecies, and Southerners who have had the most experience living with them, know this implicitly.

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  110. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anonymous
    This might actually be a difficult prosecution; one could reasonably argue that the driver felt he was under attack. What events happened before this footage is a key question.

    The reported driver (who I will not name) fits a very usual pattern for one afflicted with mental illness. The reported "washing out" in army boot camp is a classic "tell", I imagine we'll be hearing more about his mental state. Similar to the van driver in London.

    Things are getting clearer. From WCPO news Cincinnati. According to his high school history teacher, Derek Weimer:

    “[The driver] was very infatuated with the Nazis, with Adolf Hitler. He also had a huge military history, especially with German military history and World War II. But, he was pretty infatuated with that stuff.

    “In his freshman year, he had an issue with that that was raised, and from then on we knew that he had those issues. I developed a good rapport with him and used that rapport to constantly try to steer him away from those beliefs to show clear examples — why that thinking is wrong, why their beliefs were evil, you know, things like that,” Weimer said.

    He said those views, combined with [the driver's] history of being prescribed antipsychotic medication [emphasis mine], may have been a “perfect storm.”

    I like how the reporter just tosses that “history of being prescribed antipsychotic medication” in there. I’m left wondering why the driver might have been prescribed an antipsychotic medication? It’s a mystery isn’t it?

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  111. Barnard says:
    @Lot
    Washington and Jefferson have already been removed from many public school names.

    I was in Dallas earlier this year and surprised to drive past a school named after Stonewall Jackson. I wonder how long it will be before it is renamed.

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  112. Marty T says:

    I don’t think there’s any doubt they’ll go after Jefferson soon. As a matter of fact, if you check out liberal twitter, the campaign is well underway.

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  113. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @AndrewR
    Multiple people had bats and were hyperquick to start using them and we're supposed to believe this was a "peaceful march"? Perhaps the girl who died was peaceful but she was hanging with the wrong crowd.

    Yes, exactly.

    And just like here, the Antifa in the crowds always have this vapid confused shock and terror on their face when they catch blowback. Like, “how could it possibly be that if I violently attack people and try to erase their history and their race from the earth, that they just might strike back? BBBBut MTV says I’m the good guy!”

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  114. Tiny Duck says:

    How does it feel? Knowing the statues and monuments of the founding fathers will be replaced with monuments to MLK Mao Che Castro X Angela Davis and Chavez?

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    Probably not as bad as when you found out you're the result of a 'purple drank' party gone wild your mom hosted at a black homeless shelter.
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  115. FLgeezer says:
    @Lot
    Some of the "new people" in the South are white Northerners descended from Union soldiers and postbellum immigrants.

    >and postbellum immigrants

    Certainly true. In an early video I saw the alt-right guys carrying signs that said ‘ The Jews will not replace us’. They have figured out who is advocating for white people replacement in Europe and America.

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  116. Jack D says:
    @27 year old
    Don't cuck and don't apologize

    "Senseless tragedy", "condemn the violence" = losing with dignity.

    This is nothing like the black lives matter rally where a black lives matter thug shot and killed 5 cops. There is nothing to disavow.

    The fake news will be in hyper spin mode but White America knows that is bullshit. A bunch of White guys tried to have a peaceful rally and the usual anti-White black mask goons came out to shut it down. White America already knows that "violence at Trump rally" means it was the Trump people being attacked.

    The car crash incident is another case of the well established type where masked goons blocked the street and attacked a car. The driver who was not affiliated with the rally freaked out and tried to escape. The people killed/hurt were masked goons. Entirely their own fault. Nothing for us to condemn or worry about.

    The fact that some people at the rally were waving 1930s German Flags is also not something that needs to be apologized for and should not be a concern either. The anti-Whites have been calling everyone they don't like Nazis for decades. Some people have responded by saying "Ok fine, fuck you, I'm a nazi now, check out my cool flag, how do you like that?".

    The anti-Whites have been calling everyone they don’t like fags for decades. Some people have responded by saying “Ok fine, fuck you, I’m a fag now, check out my cool rainbow flag, how do you like that?”.

    See, it doesn’t quite work. If you are waving a Nazi flag, you must want to be a Nazi or something like a Nazi or what you imagine a Nazi to be like or at least something badass. These people are too dumb to understand what it means to be a real Nazi but they have a general idea that Nazis hate naggers and Joos and so do they.

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  117. Retweeted by Philip Lewis, Front Page editor at the Huffington Post:

    “Thomas Jefferson in many ways is the godfather of white supremacy in this country.”

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    I'm a big fan of UVa. My oldest daughter just finished her first year there. I've received emails this weekend from the university president and from a dean, both decrying the altright hate.

    Little do they seem to realize that the progs are coming for them next:

    https://twitter.com/percy_gryce/status/896902682526351362
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  118. Russ says:
    @Emblematic
    This video is much clearer than others:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Weg3fP0lZmE

    All this video tells us is that the driver did not get Reginald Denny’d. Of course, since the Denny incident was in 1992 and thus before the birth of most of these thugs, it doesn’t count.

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    The quick reaction of antifa to the crash attack tells me that he would have been Charles Lynched and Reginald Denny’d if he hadn't gotten out of Dodge. I bet that there are convictions on the charges from his flight from the scene.
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  119. The right has continually failed to have articulate politicians and spokesmen who can cogently both rebut leftist lies and get out a conservative viewpoint.

    Trump is occasionally more verbally aggressive than the typical Republican hack, but really needs to improve his clarity to make headway against the left/globalist/establishment smooth talkers.

    Charlotte could have been handled much better and actually been a chance to make some headway for the nationalist cause. Five points i would have made:

    0) Saddened by events loss of life, injury. (Boilerplate.)

    1) Violence is caused by those who are violent. By those who attack those whose speech they don’t like. It is not caused by people who peacefully demonstrate for their point of view.

    2) Leftist totalitarianism is the root of this violence. My (Trump) campaign rallies were continually attacked by “antifa thugs” funded by various organizations and individuals of the professional left. And the Clinton campaign hired professional agitators to start fights at my rallies. The left’s antifa thugs have been out shutting down conservative speakers on campuses, starting fights, beating people, rioting. They–not conservatives, not the “alt-right”–are the violent element.

    There is no conservative counterpoint to this. Conservatives are not shouting down and harassing speakers at universities. They are not out punching people at leftist or Democrat rallies. They are not walking around masked, whacking leftists on the head, starting fights, or rioting.

    Leftist thugs are responsible for the violence–period. Without them around there is no violence.

    3) The left, the Democrats have been pushing identity politics for 50+ years. Identity politics for blacks, for Jews, for Hispanics, for Asians, for women, for immigrants, for muslims, for gays, now even for transexuals. Since all these groups actually have wildly different group interests, the left’s single unifying theme–”you are oppressed by whites” or by “Christians” or by “old white men”. Essentially the left has kept their coalition intact by telling them that all their problems are the fault of white-heterosexual American males. Precisely the people who founded our nation and made it a free and prosperous nation.

    Let’s be clear that’s your “hate” problem.

    4) Since the left/Democrats have pushed identity politics for every imaginable group for 50+ years … now you have generated white identity politics. What else would you expect?

    Given where we are and the Democrats open anti-white, anti-native-American hostility, whites organizing as whites is perfectly legitimate. If people didn’t want to see that then they shouldn’t have been pushing identity politics and demonizing whites for the last 50 years.

    ~

    Trump should try flying with some notes and make some comments as clear bullet points–1, 2, 3, 4–so he at least forces the media to actually report all his points. (Or at least makes it more embarassingly obvious that they are lying and cheating if they don’t.)

    Beyond whatever Trump says in the way of a presidential statement, he should also have someone sharp and articulate like Miller out there doing a presser and beating these points home.

    This is really a case of “nature abhors a vacuum”. Either the Trump administration gets it’s points out there–that nationalists, alt-righters, white-nationalists are perfectly legitimate participants in the national debate and the problem is leftist violence–or the media will easily win with their message of “alt-right” violence.

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  120. @Anonymous
    Many, many bikers had swastika tattoos in the sixties, seventies and eighties. I went to school with one in 2001-2002 who had a large one on his back and he was perhaps not 35 yet. (I was in my early forties.)


    It had nothing to do with Nazism or Nazi ideology: it had to do with upsetting and scaring "the citizens".

    We had another guy iin the class who was a full-on WN of the old line William Pierce school. You never would have known it unless he decided to tell you and that after he decided you had a need to know.

    Really a fascinating guy. By contrast the biker was a dumbass.

    But in fact he was the first person I ever heard tell me something that in retrospect was obvious from the release of "Tattooed Love Boys": he said he had friends in the Cleveland 81 and that it was open knowledge they'd turned Chrissie Hynde out and she was "property of" a certain patch holder for a short time. At the time I thought he was full of shit.

    He was dumb, but he was honest.

    Chrissie Hynde’s taste in men was rather broad: from motorcycle gangs to Sir Ray Davies …

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    A recent article or book referred to her known suitors and husbands as "the charismatic and blokey" type. Since about the time she got to England, there has been one other requirement, vegetarian.

    So if you are charismatic, blokey and vegetarian you probably have a decent shot at the old gal, since that is a pretty rare combination. Male vegetarians in my experience are either scrawny or puffy, not really fat but loose and droopy. "Blokey" blokes generally eat meat and work out.
    , @ScarletNumber
    Hynde also wrote the theme to The Rush Limbaugh Show, although not for that purpose
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  121. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Detective Club
    When Congress comes back from its summertime break, what are the Vegas odds that Maxine Waters introduces legislation in the House banning Thomas Jefferson from the nickel in favor of Nat Turner's Rebellion? The only hitch stopping the change is Nat Turner was so busy killing White women and children, that a new nickel, in his honor, is far too small to faithfully depict the full bloody tableau of Nat Turner's Anti-Slavery Rebellion, which took place in 19th Century Virginia. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell will probably go along with the proposed change to our coinage. President Trump will sign the legislation because he has forgotten what a nickel is and because he is much too busy sending the US Army to Venezuela.
    https://youtu.be/GGVsEDldJIo
    Kicking Andrew Jackson off the $20 bill was just the beginning. The new Harriet Tubman plates for the new $20 will be ready to go at the US Bureau of Engraving & Printing in 2020 - - - plenty of time to get Jefferson off the nickel and hire some fully qualified AA metal engravers and die setters for the new Nat Turner nickel!
    https://youtu.be/NAuq8BxG8gk

    Regarding whose picture is on Cash:

    I just hope we still have cash in a decade. It’s clear there is a war on cash. Not to mention, electronic payments tend to cost 3 cents or so. And it is convenient. The security establishment wants it, of course. But the fact that there are so many other interests piling on to the trend is troubling.

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  122. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Priss Factor
    Why is antifa violence so ugly? Self-hate is the ugliest kind of hate and thus the driver of the worst kind of hate. Imagine if you were made to hate and attack your parents, sisters, brothers, uncles, and aunts. To carry out such heinous acts, you have to steel yourself and go against your own nature. Because such hatred is unnatural and unhealthy, you must make yourself extra-rabid and extreme to carry out the violence.

    Antifa is mostly whites made to hate their own race, culture, and history. So, antifa ideology is rooted in ugly and unhealthy white self-loathing and self-hatred. Antifa has been told that whites are evil, therefore, whites can only be good by self-hatred and hatred toward other whites, esp the unrepentant ones. So, antifa community is one of whites who share self-hatred and hatred for those whites who don't share in the self-hatred. Antifa are triggered by whites who don't hate themselves. They are appalled by white pride, white dignity, positive white identity. I mean, they went through this 'virtuous' herculean effort of hating their own race, but those other whites won't do likewise. A bunch of 'nazis'!!!

    Antifa is like Janissary under Ottoman rule. Janissary were Greek or Balkan Christian boys recruited by Ottoman Turks to serve Islam. So, European Christian boys were made to hate their own kind. They were made to serve Allah and attack their own race, culture, and territory.

    Antifa are whites whose souls have been snatched and owned by Globalists. Antifa whites are Antifanissary. Antifanissary are like zombies that can get off only by attacking and feeding on the flesh of white pride and identity.

    Because their souls have been robbed and distorted by the Glob, their hatred is of the ugliest kind. Theirs is not the healthy kind of hatred for the enemies of one's race or people. It is unhealthy hatred of the self and own kind that seeks therapy by attacking others of one's race who don't share in the self-hatred.

    Antifanissary are self-hating whites who hate whites who don't hate themselves. A people who hate their own kind can find meaning ONLY BY serving another group deemed holy and clean. This is why antifanissary are so slavishly servile to Jews, blacks, and homos, three groups deemed to be sacred by PC.
    Antifanissary can only find meaning by deferring to Jews, blacks, & homos and by hating their whiteness. And to gain approval from Jews, blacks, and non-whites, they attack other whites who refuse self-hate as basis of identity and morality.

    Why is antifa violence so ugly? Self-hate is the ugliest kind of hate and thus the driver of the worst kind of hate

    There’s no self-hate involved. SJWs are religious cultists. They are the Elect, they are Saved. They’re demonstrating their superior virtue. It’s a kind of religious narcissism, not dissimilar to many Protestant sects.

    They hate sinners, which means anyone who disagrees with them. Because anyone who disagrees with them is denying Revealed Truth and must be not merely wrong but Evil.

    But it is definitely not self-hate. SJWs might hate their culture and their parents but they don’t hate themselves. They only hate badwhites but they know that they’re goodwhites.

    They believe they’re the most virtuous people who have ever walked the Earth.

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    There’s no self-hate involved. SJWs are religious cultists. They are the Elect, they are Saved. They’re demonstrating their superior virtue. It’s a kind of religious narcissism, not dissimilar to many Protestant sects. They hate sinners, which means anyone who disagrees with them. Because anyone who disagrees with them is denying Revealed Truth and must be not merely wrong but Evil.

    1. Antifa are SJW but most SJW are not antifa. Antifa are especially pathological subgroup among SJW. Ivy Leagues are filled with SJW's but they are not antifa. Antifa tend to be anarcho-syndicalist and grunge-punk. They are mostly bottom-feeders. Some are better-educated and hold university jobs but at lesser colleges.

    2. SJW sense of superior virtue is predicated on self-hate. They feel 'saved' and superior because they are whites who atone for 'white guilt'. The are confessed sinners who hate un-confessed sinners who won't admit to their 'white sin'.
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  123. @27 year old
    Don't cuck and don't apologize

    "Senseless tragedy", "condemn the violence" = losing with dignity.

    This is nothing like the black lives matter rally where a black lives matter thug shot and killed 5 cops. There is nothing to disavow.

    The fake news will be in hyper spin mode but White America knows that is bullshit. A bunch of White guys tried to have a peaceful rally and the usual anti-White black mask goons came out to shut it down. White America already knows that "violence at Trump rally" means it was the Trump people being attacked.

    The car crash incident is another case of the well established type where masked goons blocked the street and attacked a car. The driver who was not affiliated with the rally freaked out and tried to escape. The people killed/hurt were masked goons. Entirely their own fault. Nothing for us to condemn or worry about.

    The fact that some people at the rally were waving 1930s German Flags is also not something that needs to be apologized for and should not be a concern either. The anti-Whites have been calling everyone they don't like Nazis for decades. Some people have responded by saying "Ok fine, fuck you, I'm a nazi now, check out my cool flag, how do you like that?".

    The fact that some people at the rally were waving 1930s German Flags is also not something that needs to be apologized for and should not be a concern either. The anti-Whites have been calling everyone they don’t like Nazis for decades. Some people have responded by saying “Ok fine, fuck you, I’m a nazi now, check out my cool flag, how do you like that?”.

    Uh … no.

    Unlike you, I’ve got kids and would actually like to *win* this thing and have a nation to pass on to them.

    While with the way things are trending, i’d be perfectly happy to go ahead and have the civil war now–I guess I’d need to buy a lot more ammunition first, especially being old and slow and unfleet of foot–get the separation accomplished and have a peaceful traditionalist nation for my kids to inherit … that’s not really in the cards.

    So what we have is a war of convincing people. Nazi flags just convince people that you are a) nasty and oppressive and b) an unserious loon.

    Furthermore–why the heck do I want to be associated with Nazi anything? I have nothing against German nationalism. But Nazis are famous for … imperialism!–for invading other countries and genociding people they didn’t like. I’m against imperialism and for nationalism–everyone gets to have a nation of their own to run as befits their traditions and culture–and am against genociding anyone, starting with my people!

    Confederate flags are unhelpful, but at least relevant to Robert E. Lee statue controversy. And I don’t begrudge any “son of the south” waving theirs around.

    Nazi flags are a PR disaster for the nationalist side. It wouldn’t even surprise me if they were brought there by antifas or by FBI agents just to create terrible optics.

    Let’s try American flags and the good old fashioned American “Don’t Tread on Me”. That’s what this is all about. Nazis treaded on all sorts of people and it’s a dishonor to our cause to see their flag around.

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    Exactly. Well said.
    , @res

    Let’s try American flags and the good old fashioned American “Don’t Tread on Me”.
     
    Agreed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_flag

    Look, I get that some people like to use the Nazi stuff for its shock value (woohoo I'm a transgressive rebel!). But if they want any hope of actually accomplishing anything useful in the US, fetishizing the Nazis is not helping.

    Well said, AnotherDad.

    P.S. I really wonder about false flag possibilities being in play here.
    , @Anonymous
    The issue is, just how big a pussycats are White Americans?

    Apparently pretty big, so yeah you have to go really soft. They get scared someone will call them a "rayyycccisss".

    This is odd behavior from men who beat their chests about how they are tough veterans who brought freedom to the world. But it is the truth.

    However, I would say it may be better to just ignore the Nazi crowd. Just shrug it off. They aren't going away. And if that scares most White men so bad, if White fathers pee their pants over it, well, their ain't no nation left to pass down anyway.
    , @Stacy235l
    Unlike you, I’ve got kids and would actually like to *win*

    You had it better when you were young than he does now. Unfortunately 27 year olds can't afford to have family's now, insulting them for it is just plain stupid. As you said yourself you're old, and therefore part of conservative/right wing that has been losing for generations, so you've obviously been doing something wrong. You probably shouldn't be lecturing young people on how to win.

    So what we have is a war of convincing people.

    This is a major reason you've been losing. You punch people you believe are to your right, and try to convince people to your left. Note that Trump try's to avoid doing this and he was elected President of the United States. Most people are, to some degree, conformists. They love winners, so win first (or at least act like a winner and stop giving in)and then they'll be convinced. That's what the left does, win and then set the narrative so they can keep winning. The Donald actually won last year by being bold, and yet you seem to be retreating. Careful not to offend anyone to your left. It's as if there's a reason you've been losing for generations.

    Nazi flags just convince people that you are a) nasty and oppressive and b) an unserious loon.

    This is called REBELLION. Ever heard of it? Young white people are treated like villains. They don't know your traditionalist nation, you old losers let it be destroyed. Repeat, you had it better when you were young. They have no real power to strike back so they do things the establishment hates to get under their skin. They know they're constantly being lied to, so some of them start to suspect old Adolf may have actually been good. They think "Hell, he seems to have all the right enemies."

    Young rebellious whites are endlesly punched by the liberal establishment. And then old respectable losers like you punch them too. You actually punch the young people most likely to take your side. As a very obvious result they see you as no different than the the left. This may come as a surprise but young people really don't like being talked down to.

    But Nazis are famous for … imperialism!–I’m against imperialism and for nationalism–everyone gets to have a nation of their own to run as befits their traditions and culture–and am against genociding anyone, starting with my people!

    Great point. It would be a lot easier to convince young folks of that if you didn't punch'em first. Also you could try using National Socialist. Nazi sounds silly and more importantly conformist. When you say or right Nazi it sounds as if you completely buy the narrative. Oh yeah, never talk about Nazis committing genocide, that really makes you sound "establishment". Young whites don't buy it, even most the liberal ones, and they're not going to. Get over it.

    You should be trying to win over rebellious young whites instead of ganging up on them. If you want to win them over(And judging by your comments that seems to be a big "if") you need to convince them you're on their side, that you're willing to fight for them(unfortunately leftist have historically been very good at this, and still are with other races and certain whites). Ironically, I've been successful at this by standing up for them against old conservatives like you. Once they know I really care about them, and about white people in general, it's pretty easy to get'em to rebel in a more productive manner. Of course, you need to what is productive. Judging by your inclination to punch right and "convince" left it's obvious you don't.

    Confederate flags are unhelpful

    The battle flag only became demonized because old conservative losers like you let it happen. You failed to conserve anything. It was 1993 before I even heard anyone suggest the flag was offensive to blacks, and it was entirely whites making the claim. The only blacks who believed it at the time were some naive young people. You see, the white leftist were trying to convince them they were on their side an willing to fight for them. It took decades but they managed to get to the point were we are now. Repeat, people like you let this happen. And now you seem to have bought this "confederate flag bad" narrative hook line and sinker.

    Have I mentioned that you've been losing? Well unfortunately Bill Clinton was a winner. He used the battle flag in campaigning in both 92 and 96, after the damning had begun. It worked. Boldness pays off. He was was strong when you were weak. You're still weak.

    And I don’t begrudge any “son of the south” waving theirs around.

    Why even try after your "unhelpful" comment? I'm a southern man and it feels like there is a boot on my neck. In you're weakness/thickness you act as though that boot is reasonable. As if things I love must be bad because the liberal establish said so. You actually accepted their narrative on the battle flag. A narrative, by the way, that didn't even exist for much(perhaps most) of your life. White liberals literally made this nonsense up in the 90's and you actually bought it.

    You right as though I am making you look bad. As if I'm making it harder for you, perennial loser, to win. And then you say you don't begrudge me waving my flag? As if you would have any business begrudging me waving it. Are you really that clueless?

    First they came for the battle flag. Said it was bad and you bought it. Now their taking confederate monuments, and ya just know their eventually going to go after the founders monuments too. You have let it happen. You've lost, and lost, and lost. And now you want to lecture the bold 27 year old about winning. And you insinuate us southerners are making it difficult for you to win, but in your goodness yer not gonna hold it against us. Thanks a lot.

    Nazi flags are a PR disaster for the nationalist side. It wouldn’t even surprise me if they were brought there by antifas or by FBI agents just to create terrible optics.

    Let’s try American flags and the good old fashioned American “Don’t Tread on Me”. That’s what this is all about. Nazis treaded on all sorts of people and it’s a dishonor to our cause to see their flag around.

    Again and again with your Nazi obsession. Just shut up about it already.

    You're just not qualified to give advice on winning. One would think after a lifetime of losing you'd have realized that.

    , @Anonymous
    The left have created this situation by promiscuously accusing everyone they don't like of being Nazis. NAZI NAZI NAZI is just routine background noise of modern politics. It's become meaningless.
    , @27 year old
    >Let’s try American flags and the good old fashioned American “Don’t Tread on Me”.

    Lol, the cucked boomers already tried that, it was called the Tea Party. It didn't work. That time has passed.
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  124. @Jack D
    In today's NYT, Dyson says that Charlottesville is Trump's fault. But the Robert E. Lee statue stood there for 100 years. One thing that is very well known in all racially tense situations is that upsetting the status quo can lead to instability. Race riots that consume an entire city often begin after a single arrest. One match can light a forest fire. In Israel recently, the Israelis installed metal detectors on the entrances to the Temple Mount as a response to recent police shootings. These detectors are found everywhere nowadays and were reasonable security measures but because it was a change in the status quo it provoked a major Palestinian backlash and the Israelis were forced to back off. So the fault lies not with Trump (who had nothing at all to do with this) but with whoever thought that they could advance the black side of the culture wars by chipping away a bit at white symbols. In its face it seems relatively innocuous but anyone with any sense knows that changing the status quo constitutes a provocation and maybe they even intended to provoke a backlash figuring that the backlash would only advance their cause further.

    Well put.

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  125. dfordoom says: • Website

    Maybe it’s time to stop worshiping the Founding Fathers. They were after all traitors and their ideas were a mishmash of silly Enlightenment twaddle. Their Constitution turned out to be unworkable.

    Maybe it’s time to cause some cognitive dissonance among SJWs by agreeing with them that Jefferson and Washington and the rest of that crew should go. Maybe it’s time to turn Loyalist Tories into culture heroes.

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    Yeah, let's canonize Lord Dunmore and his "Ethiopian Regiment," and all the British/Tory officers and officials who organized and led Iroquois, Huron, and Cherokee raids on American settlements.
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  126. @C. Van Carter
    Bending over athwart history, and yelling Go.

    Continuing tragedy of NR’s fall.

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  127. IA says:
    @Mr. Anon

    "hire some fully qualified AA metal engravers and die setters for the new Nat Turner nickel!"

    Yes, they can get the job through US Gov “disadvantaged” contracts.

     

    Oh, so Indians and Pakistanis can do it.

    I would think just about anyone except white guys.

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  128. @Jack D
    In today's NYT, Dyson says that Charlottesville is Trump's fault. But the Robert E. Lee statue stood there for 100 years. One thing that is very well known in all racially tense situations is that upsetting the status quo can lead to instability. Race riots that consume an entire city often begin after a single arrest. One match can light a forest fire. In Israel recently, the Israelis installed metal detectors on the entrances to the Temple Mount as a response to recent police shootings. These detectors are found everywhere nowadays and were reasonable security measures but because it was a change in the status quo it provoked a major Palestinian backlash and the Israelis were forced to back off. So the fault lies not with Trump (who had nothing at all to do with this) but with whoever thought that they could advance the black side of the culture wars by chipping away a bit at white symbols. In its face it seems relatively innocuous but anyone with any sense knows that changing the status quo constitutes a provocation and maybe they even intended to provoke a backlash figuring that the backlash would only advance their cause further.

    One thing that is very well known in all racially tense situations is that upsetting the status quo can lead to instability.

    Can you provide a helpful academic citation for this proposition?

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  129. IA says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Perhaps the girl who died was peaceful but she was hanging with the wrong crowd.
     
    Perhaps she was just crossing the street on a personal errand, completely unrelated to the rally or the counter-rally. Charlottesville is a city; people do live there. In any event, she had every right to not be killed by a lunatic driving a car.

    It may be the car was attacked by antifas, he panicked and “feared for his life.”

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  130. Wulf says:
    @Negrolphin Pool
    It's Aryan Brotherhood branding, so to speak. It scares the rubes and, as Zman eloquently stated, it powerfully signals in-group status to those who get the joke and alienates those who don't, forcing anyone within view to take a side. The more outrageously contra-zeitgeist the image, the more powerful the signal. Most people would prefer not to irrevocably decide the course of their own fate and will go to lengths to be relieved of the responsibility.

    Accordingly, if Alt-Right heavies going full Nazi in the presence of Rich Lowry caused him to lose sleep, it would only be on account of his own crisis of conscience.

    It’s Aryan Brotherhood branding, so to speak. It scares the rubes and, as Zman eloquently stated, it powerfully signals in-group status to those who get the joke and alienates those who don’t, forcing anyone within view to take a side.

    AB and KKK branding helping the alt-right’s cause? AB and KKK thugs and other knuckleheads “supporting” the resistance and forcing anyone to take a side (which, when talking about decent and reasonable people, always is the opposite) huh?

    Get a grip fool. This no bueno. The alt-right has lost the PR battle you clown.

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    I wasn't trying to endorse Reich-chic as a marketing strategy, just pointing out the inductive truth that if a given square rejects the movement as crazy beyond the pale at Nazi level = 1, they aren't going to lose sleep over their long-ago-taken decision at Nazi level = 5.
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  131. syonredux says:
    @Opinionator
    FDR saved the Jews.

    FDR saved the Jews.

    Stalin saved the Jews.

    And lots of Jews have very negative feelings towards FDR these days:

    What FDR said about Jews in private
    His personal sentiments about Jews may help explain America’s tepid response to the Holocaust.

    In 1923, as a member of the Harvard board of directors, Roosevelt decided there were too many Jewish students at the college and helped institute a quota to limit the number admitted. In 1938, he privately suggested that Jews in Poland were dominating the economy and were therefore to blame for provoking anti-Semitism there. In 1941, he remarked at a Cabinet meeting that there were too many Jews among federal employees in Oregon. In 1943, he told government officials in Allied-liberated North Africa that the number of local Jews in various professions “should be definitely limited” so as to “eliminate the specific and understandable complaints which the Germans bore towards the Jews in Germany.”

    There is evidence of other troubling private remarks by FDR too, including dismissing pleas for Jewish refugees as “Jewish wailing” and “sob stuff”; expressing (to a senator ) his pride that “there is no Jewish blood in our veins”; and characterizing a tax maneuver by a Jewish newspaper publisher as “a dirty Jewish trick.” But the most common theme in Roosevelt’s private statements about Jews has to do with his perception that they were “overcrowding” many professions and exercising undue influence.

    This attitude dovetails with what is known about FDR’s views regarding immigrants in general and Asian immigrants in particular. In one 1920 interview, he complained about immigrants “crowding” into the cities and said “the remedy for this should be the distribution of aliens in various parts of the country.” In a series of articles for the Macon (Ga.) Daily Telegraph and for Asia magazine in the 1920s, he warned against granting citizenship to “non-assimilable immigrants” and opposed Japanese immigration on the grounds that “mingling Asiatic blood with European or American blood produces, in nine cases out of ten, the most unfortunate results.” He recommended that future immigration should be limited to those who had “blood of the right sort.”

    http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/07/opinion/la-oe-medoff-roosevelt-holocaust-20130407

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  132. IA says:

    The video of the crash: the violent mongrel mob, the men carrying clubs like 3rd world thugs, no sign of order such as police or leaders in control. Subliminal penetration, folks. Whites are going to notice at an unconscious level.

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  133. RONP says:

    The Fruits of Conservatism. You should @ prominent Conservatives such as Ross Douthat, Jonah Goldberg, basically anyone at the National Review in this on Twitter Steve. Here; I’m basically retro-fitting a post from my Twitter account in long form.

    The Conservative exaltation, and sanitation of the Founding Fathers, too is cowardice. A skulkish form of preemptive conflict avoidance. The Conservative, whatever this thing is, is ignorant to, or pretends rather, not to know the Founders were White preservationists. “Minorities” ( and increasingly their “allies” i.e enemies of Civilisation) however know, and express this explicitly. Conservative feebleness in the face of Progressive acceleration, miscalculates the revolutionary will be satisfied with today’s discomposure. That is to say the removal of Confederate “traitors”, wasn’t this Nation born out of treachery to a King? In time there will exist a future Ta-Nehisi Coates in a “respected” bimonthly writing emotionally, for the removal of Jefferson for his violation of Black bodies.

    What then?

    Will the Conservative, finally after almost all has been lost, finally hold a position, and fight, or will they eloquently co-sign why the Founders must be thrown into the ash heap.

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  134. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Tiny Duck
    How does it feel? Knowing the statues and monuments of the founding fathers will be replaced with monuments to MLK Mao Che Castro X Angela Davis and Chavez?

    Probably not as bad as when you found out you’re the result of a ‘purple drank’ party gone wild your mom hosted at a black homeless shelter.

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  135. Russ says:

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-protests-white-nationalists.html

    Linked above is the latest NYT coverage. Today, Unite for Right’s Jason Kessler gets attacked at his news conference. No word in the coverage of an arrest; instead, the reader gets a quote from the attacker that buttresses the narrative. We also have the Clinton gnome who governs Virginia telling the NYT that the police did outstanding work because 80% of the marchers had guns, yet not a single shot was fired. The reporter, of course, attributes no self-discipline to the marchers.

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  136. @Anonymous
    He might have been drunk or in some other manner impaired. When you sow violence and chaos, you get violent and chaotic outcomes. It's very sad but not surprising.

    Agreed. It could have also been simple, stupid rage and/or frustration with things dissolving so badly. It will all be hashed-out in painstaking detail at trial I’m sure.

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  137. “mingling Asiatic blood with European or American blood produces, in nine cases out of ten, the most unfortunate results.”

    Out of curiosity, were there any of note, ill repute or otherwise, mixed race Asian-Caucasians in 1920 that FDR might have based this statement?

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  138. @Russ
    All this video tells us is that the driver did not get Reginald Denny'd. Of course, since the Denny incident was in 1992 and thus before the birth of most of these thugs, it doesn't count.

    The quick reaction of antifa to the crash attack tells me that he would have been Charles Lynched and Reginald Denny’d if he hadn’t gotten out of Dodge. I bet that there are convictions on the charges from his flight from the scene.

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    *no convictions
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  139. anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @Mr. Anon

    Perhaps the girl who died was peaceful but she was hanging with the wrong crowd.
     
    Perhaps she was just crossing the street on a personal errand, completely unrelated to the rally or the counter-rally. Charlottesville is a city; people do live there. In any event, she had every right to not be killed by a lunatic driving a car.

    Perhaps she was just crossing the street on a personal errand, completely unrelated to the rally or the counter-rally.

    From the NY Times:

    Ms. Heyer lived alone with her Chihuahua, Violet, who was named after her favorite color.

    For her, activism was about more than just “sitting behind your computer screen,” Ms. Blair said. “You gotta get out in your community and do things.”

    Ms. Heyer and her friends were walking together at the protest when a car crashed into the crowd.

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    Yes, we know that now. Are any of those things crimes? Crimes that draw the death penalty?
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  140. @Opinionator
    Retweeted by Philip Lewis, Front Page editor at the Huffington Post:

    "Thomas Jefferson in many ways is the godfather of white supremacy in this country."

    https://www.twitter.com/eveewing/status/896742013063897092

    I’m a big fan of UVa. My oldest daughter just finished her first year there. I’ve received emails this weekend from the university president and from a dean, both decrying the altright hate.

    Little do they seem to realize that the progs are coming for them next:

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  141. @Percy Gryce
    The quick reaction of antifa to the crash attack tells me that he would have been Charles Lynched and Reginald Denny’d if he hadn't gotten out of Dodge. I bet that there are convictions on the charges from his flight from the scene.

    *no convictions

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    Indeed: The car hadn't been stopped for more than a few seconds before 7-8 of those pipe-wielding thugs began pounding it. They then received an excellent lesson in physics.

    It was when the banshees began blocking highways that I quietly resolved to nullify any jury on which I sat for which the defendant was a driver who plowed through those "protestors". No jury on which I sit will convict such a driver, and there'll be nary a word of explanation from me as to why.
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  142. Zach says:
    @Opinionator
    Can someone explain how Richard Spencer's antics help advance President Trump's agenda?

    Has Trump allied himself with Spencer? Why couldn’t these right-wingers have simply marched around with their torches and not had paid counter-protesters attack them?

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    I agree they should not have been attacked.

    Yet even were there no confrontation at all, the question remains: how do Spencer's actions help advance the Trump agenda?
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  143. Moses says:
    @neutral
    I fail to see how it could end any other way, if I were a Mexican or Somali or Chinese person living in America I would not really care about Jefferson or Washington, why would I ? Note that I am not trying to debate the merits or demerits of Jefferson or Washington, I am merely pointing out that expecting people to honour someone that is completely foreign to you as your founding father is only something very altruistic whites can do.

    I am not American and thus have zero reverence to the US founding fathers, but to those that are American, didn't Jefferson say "all men are equal". With that being the case, isn't the push for removal by the new people that populate the lands the result of his very own ideas ?

    I fail to see how it could end any other way, if I were a Mexican or Somali or Chinese person living in America I would not really care about Jefferson or Washington, why would I ?

    Exactly. Why would you?

    This is why importing mass numbers of non-Europeans from vastly different cultures will spell the end of the (pale, stale, male) Constitution and, eventually, of America.

    No shared ideals, no founding fathers, no common culture or shared background to keep us together. Just identity politics and mish-mash of bitterly competing interest groups.

    “Things fall apart; the center cannot hold…”

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  144. bored identity knows his malaparte:

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  145. @Mr. Anon
    The National Review: Lying prone beneath history, whispering "Be gentle".

    Excellent.

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  146. Mr. Anon says:
    @AnotherDad

    The fact that some people at the rally were waving 1930s German Flags is also not something that needs to be apologized for and should not be a concern either. The anti-Whites have been calling everyone they don’t like Nazis for decades. Some people have responded by saying “Ok fine, fuck you, I’m a nazi now, check out my cool flag, how do you like that?”.
     
    Uh ... no.

    Unlike you, I've got kids and would actually like to *win* this thing and have a nation to pass on to them.

    While with the way things are trending, i'd be perfectly happy to go ahead and have the civil war now--I guess I'd need to buy a lot more ammunition first, especially being old and slow and unfleet of foot--get the separation accomplished and have a peaceful traditionalist nation for my kids to inherit ... that's not really in the cards.

    So what we have is a war of convincing people. Nazi flags just convince people that you are a) nasty and oppressive and b) an unserious loon.

    Furthermore--why the heck do I want to be associated with Nazi anything? I have nothing against German nationalism. But Nazis are famous for ... imperialism!--for invading other countries and genociding people they didn't like. I'm against imperialism and for nationalism--everyone gets to have a nation of their own to run as befits their traditions and culture--and am against genociding anyone, starting with my people!

    Confederate flags are unhelpful, but at least relevant to Robert E. Lee statue controversy. And I don't begrudge any "son of the south" waving theirs around.

    Nazi flags are a PR disaster for the nationalist side. It wouldn't even surprise me if they were brought there by antifas or by FBI agents just to create terrible optics.

    Let's try American flags and the good old fashioned American "Don't Tread on Me". That's what this is all about. Nazis treaded on all sorts of people and it's a dishonor to our cause to see their flag around.

    Exactly. Well said.

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  147. Russ says:
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    *no convictions

    Indeed: The car hadn’t been stopped for more than a few seconds before 7-8 of those pipe-wielding thugs began pounding it. They then received an excellent lesson in physics.

    It was when the banshees began blocking highways that I quietly resolved to nullify any jury on which I sat for which the defendant was a driver who plowed through those “protestors”. No jury on which I sit will convict such a driver, and there’ll be nary a word of explanation from me as to why.

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  148. Russ says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    All men are created equal in the eyes of God and and are equal before that law. That's it. You confuse equality with identity.

    Which reminds me: Wasn’t it Chesterton who wrote how good it was that all men were created equal because they had certainly evolved unequally?

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  149. This has the makings of an OJ Simpson trial in reverse. The establishment has already tarred and feathered Mr. Fields despite there being a number of legal defences which could exonerate him completely of all charges. Senator Bernie Sanders for instance has already labelled Fields a domestic terrorist.

    Fields needs to get a very good lawyer and take this matter all the way to trial. What does he have to lose?

    Can he possibly get a fair trial though?

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  150. @Priss Factor
    Why is antifa violence so ugly? Self-hate is the ugliest kind of hate and thus the driver of the worst kind of hate. Imagine if you were made to hate and attack your parents, sisters, brothers, uncles, and aunts. To carry out such heinous acts, you have to steel yourself and go against your own nature. Because such hatred is unnatural and unhealthy, you must make yourself extra-rabid and extreme to carry out the violence.

    Antifa is mostly whites made to hate their own race, culture, and history. So, antifa ideology is rooted in ugly and unhealthy white self-loathing and self-hatred. Antifa has been told that whites are evil, therefore, whites can only be good by self-hatred and hatred toward other whites, esp the unrepentant ones. So, antifa community is one of whites who share self-hatred and hatred for those whites who don't share in the self-hatred. Antifa are triggered by whites who don't hate themselves. They are appalled by white pride, white dignity, positive white identity. I mean, they went through this 'virtuous' herculean effort of hating their own race, but those other whites won't do likewise. A bunch of 'nazis'!!!

    Antifa is like Janissary under Ottoman rule. Janissary were Greek or Balkan Christian boys recruited by Ottoman Turks to serve Islam. So, European Christian boys were made to hate their own kind. They were made to serve Allah and attack their own race, culture, and territory.

    Antifa are whites whose souls have been snatched and owned by Globalists. Antifa whites are Antifanissary. Antifanissary are like zombies that can get off only by attacking and feeding on the flesh of white pride and identity.

    Because their souls have been robbed and distorted by the Glob, their hatred is of the ugliest kind. Theirs is not the healthy kind of hatred for the enemies of one's race or people. It is unhealthy hatred of the self and own kind that seeks therapy by attacking others of one's race who don't share in the self-hatred.

    Antifanissary are self-hating whites who hate whites who don't hate themselves. A people who hate their own kind can find meaning ONLY BY serving another group deemed holy and clean. This is why antifanissary are so slavishly servile to Jews, blacks, and homos, three groups deemed to be sacred by PC.
    Antifanissary can only find meaning by deferring to Jews, blacks, & homos and by hating their whiteness. And to gain approval from Jews, blacks, and non-whites, they attack other whites who refuse self-hate as basis of identity and morality.

    Antifa is like Janissary under Ottoman rule. Janissary were Greek or Balkan Christian boys recruited by Ottoman Turks to serve Islam. So, European Christian boys were made to hate their own kind. They were made to serve Allah and attack their own race, culture, and territory.

    Your janissary analogy is a clever one, hadn’t thought of that.

    There’s one clear difference in that the janissaries actually had a reputation for quality and cohesion. It was a manly thing that these antifas certainly are not.

    There’s another interesting point of similarity in that–at least originally–the janissaries did not have families and children. I’d bet that’s the case in a high percentage of these antifas. This woman who was killed, looks to have had the basic equipment to have mothered a few white kids, but instead had drunk the Kool-Aid and was 32, childless, unmarried and spending her energy on “civil rights” and “fighting hate”. She was a zombie.

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    I see these women around all the time. They usually have at least 1 if not more dogs or cats, which they pamper, cuddle and kiss, baby talk as though they were surrogate kids, instead of having their own.

    At least they've led to new job opportunities for the enterprising- cat psychiatrists are a thing now.
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  151. Boudicca says:

    Strange Double Standard

    While SJWs, BLM, Antifa, et al. consider the United States an illegitimate political entity because of Thomas Jefferson (d. 1826) and Robert E. Lee (d. 1870), they have nothing to say about an estimated 27 – 30 million present day slaves in year 2017. “India has the most slaves of any country, at roughly 18.4 million. China 2nd with 3.4m slaves. Pakistan 2.1m, Bangladesh 1.5m, and Uzbekistan 1.2m. By % population, Uzbekistan 4%, Cambodia 1.6%, India, 1.4% and Qatar 1.4%.”

    Perhaps the visual and cultural contrast of white-on-black slavery in black-and-white photographs via the Ken Burns effect is easier to process? Indian slavery is cloaked in the Byzantine caste system; Chinese slaves are hidden away in a totalitarian, one-party Communist state. The vested interest: the Asian “economic miracle” is only possible through slavery and keeping free labour as close to the iron law of wages as possible. Hence, White slavery over a century ago provides convenient demoralization; People of Colour slavery today is silently accepted as “vibrant diversity”. The absurd scene of the descendants of slaves arrayed in clothes and gadgets made possible by modern day slaves condemning those who don’t own slaves.

    Likewise, the first major genocide of the 21st century occurred in Darfur, Sudan. The Arab supremacist and Islamist Janjaweed cadres have thus far murdered ~400,000 “black” Sudanese. The Janjaweed were armed primarily with Chinese weapons. BLM is silent on this front as well – it seems only black American lives matter. Domestic condition are bad in America: working class blacks and whites have been driven to the economic margins and now fight each other and themselves for meagre slices of a rapidly contracting pie. As weird as it sounds, BLM, SJWs, Antifa and Alt-Right would be wise to purify their ideologies, call mutually beneficial truces, and focus their attacks on, for example, near-billionaire and rent-seeking Sundar Pichai, who typifies the corrupt elite of this generations’ actual slave-owning confederacy. China, India, the Nation of Islam, would happily enslave or put to the sword every American of whatever color or breed. In this context, attacking or venerating statues and ghosts is of little practical help.

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  152. AndrewR says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Perhaps the girl who died was peaceful but she was hanging with the wrong crowd.
     
    Perhaps she was just crossing the street on a personal errand, completely unrelated to the rally or the counter-rally. Charlottesville is a city; people do live there. In any event, she had every right to not be killed by a lunatic driving a car.

    No she was a committed progbot. Do your research before making smartass comments at me.

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    It wasn't a smart-ass comment, smart ass. She apparently was a protester. I didn't know at the time, nor was it generally known, as far as I can tell. She is still an innocent victim who did not deserve to die. I've seen a number of the videos. There is no way of justifying what he did. He is guilty, at minimum, of vehicular homicide and depraved indifference to human life, if not straight-up murder.

    BTW, you say a lot of s**t without vetting it. Look to yourself, before criticizing others.
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  153. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    Chrissie Hynde's taste in men was rather broad: from motorcycle gangs to Sir Ray Davies ...

    A recent article or book referred to her known suitors and husbands as “the charismatic and blokey” type. Since about the time she got to England, there has been one other requirement, vegetarian.

    So if you are charismatic, blokey and vegetarian you probably have a decent shot at the old gal, since that is a pretty rare combination. Male vegetarians in my experience are either scrawny or puffy, not really fat but loose and droopy. “Blokey” blokes generally eat meat and work out.

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  154. Mr. Anon says:
    @AndrewR
    No she was a committed progbot. Do your research before making smartass comments at me.

    It wasn’t a smart-ass comment, smart ass. She apparently was a protester. I didn’t know at the time, nor was it generally known, as far as I can tell. She is still an innocent victim who did not deserve to die. I’ve seen a number of the videos. There is no way of justifying what he did. He is guilty, at minimum, of vehicular homicide and depraved indifference to human life, if not straight-up murder.

    BTW, you say a lot of s**t without vetting it. Look to yourself, before criticizing others.

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    What if his collision with the crowd resulted from acceleration after his car was attacked by the mob with bats and pipes?
    , @AndrewR
    Why are you on this site?
    , @27 year old
    >She is still an innocent victim who did not deserve to die.

    Thought experiment:

    Would the dead antifa say the same if it was an alt-righter that got killed?

    You're losing with dignity.

    The girl was a committed enemy, who hated you and your kids just for existing and she killed due to her own stupid criminal activity.
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  155. Mr. Anon says:
    @anonymous

    Perhaps she was just crossing the street on a personal errand, completely unrelated to the rally or the counter-rally.
     
    From the NY Times:

    Ms. Heyer lived alone with her Chihuahua, Violet, who was named after her favorite color.

    For her, activism was about more than just “sitting behind your computer screen,” Ms. Blair said. “You gotta get out in your community and do things.”

    Ms. Heyer and her friends were walking together at the protest when a car crashed into the crowd.
     

    Yes, we know that now. Are any of those things crimes? Crimes that draw the death penalty?

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    Are any of those things crimes?
     
    No.

    Crimes that draw the death penalty?
     
    No.

    It is clear - to me at least - that she didn't just happen to be there. The driver didn't happen to be there. When you go to a violent event, and you go purposely, you are increasing your chances that violence and its consequences, legal and physical, will find you. As to the question of "did she deserve to die?" -- no. Did she contribute to the events leading up to it? Yes. Not as much as the driver, and not as much as the many violent people there but, she did contribute, she placed herself there and she stuck around after any hope of a peaceful protest was gone. Life isn't a movie, there are consequences.
    , @Opinionator
    Are any of those things crimes?

    Unlawful assembly? Rioting? Conspiracy to violate civil rights of free expression and assembly? Being part of a mob that had blocked off a public thoroughfare? Assault?
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  156. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
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    Since it turned out to be a kid from Ohio, shouldn't we be yanking up Union monuments instead?

    One idea might be to do something like they did when creating the Euro. To avoid disputes about which landmarks to put on the bills, they put generic ones. Since all American historical figures are flawed, we can replace them with less offensive ones.

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    Like Mickey Mouse... oh wait
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  157. res says:
    @AnotherDad

    The fact that some people at the rally were waving 1930s German Flags is also not something that needs to be apologized for and should not be a concern either. The anti-Whites have been calling everyone they don’t like Nazis for decades. Some people have responded by saying “Ok fine, fuck you, I’m a nazi now, check out my cool flag, how do you like that?”.
     
    Uh ... no.

    Unlike you, I've got kids and would actually like to *win* this thing and have a nation to pass on to them.

    While with the way things are trending, i'd be perfectly happy to go ahead and have the civil war now--I guess I'd need to buy a lot more ammunition first, especially being old and slow and unfleet of foot--get the separation accomplished and have a peaceful traditionalist nation for my kids to inherit ... that's not really in the cards.

    So what we have is a war of convincing people. Nazi flags just convince people that you are a) nasty and oppressive and b) an unserious loon.

    Furthermore--why the heck do I want to be associated with Nazi anything? I have nothing against German nationalism. But Nazis are famous for ... imperialism!--for invading other countries and genociding people they didn't like. I'm against imperialism and for nationalism--everyone gets to have a nation of their own to run as befits their traditions and culture--and am against genociding anyone, starting with my people!

    Confederate flags are unhelpful, but at least relevant to Robert E. Lee statue controversy. And I don't begrudge any "son of the south" waving theirs around.

    Nazi flags are a PR disaster for the nationalist side. It wouldn't even surprise me if they were brought there by antifas or by FBI agents just to create terrible optics.

    Let's try American flags and the good old fashioned American "Don't Tread on Me". That's what this is all about. Nazis treaded on all sorts of people and it's a dishonor to our cause to see their flag around.

    Let’s try American flags and the good old fashioned American “Don’t Tread on Me”.

    Agreed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_flag

    Look, I get that some people like to use the Nazi stuff for its shock value (woohoo I’m a transgressive rebel!). But if they want any hope of actually accomplishing anything useful in the US, fetishizing the Nazis is not helping.

    Well said, AnotherDad.

    P.S. I really wonder about false flag possibilities being in play here.

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  158. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    The fact that some people at the rally were waving 1930s German Flags is also not something that needs to be apologized for and should not be a concern either. The anti-Whites have been calling everyone they don’t like Nazis for decades. Some people have responded by saying “Ok fine, fuck you, I’m a nazi now, check out my cool flag, how do you like that?”.
     
    Uh ... no.

    Unlike you, I've got kids and would actually like to *win* this thing and have a nation to pass on to them.

    While with the way things are trending, i'd be perfectly happy to go ahead and have the civil war now--I guess I'd need to buy a lot more ammunition first, especially being old and slow and unfleet of foot--get the separation accomplished and have a peaceful traditionalist nation for my kids to inherit ... that's not really in the cards.

    So what we have is a war of convincing people. Nazi flags just convince people that you are a) nasty and oppressive and b) an unserious loon.

    Furthermore--why the heck do I want to be associated with Nazi anything? I have nothing against German nationalism. But Nazis are famous for ... imperialism!--for invading other countries and genociding people they didn't like. I'm against imperialism and for nationalism--everyone gets to have a nation of their own to run as befits their traditions and culture--and am against genociding anyone, starting with my people!

    Confederate flags are unhelpful, but at least relevant to Robert E. Lee statue controversy. And I don't begrudge any "son of the south" waving theirs around.

    Nazi flags are a PR disaster for the nationalist side. It wouldn't even surprise me if they were brought there by antifas or by FBI agents just to create terrible optics.

    Let's try American flags and the good old fashioned American "Don't Tread on Me". That's what this is all about. Nazis treaded on all sorts of people and it's a dishonor to our cause to see their flag around.

    The issue is, just how big a pussycats are White Americans?

    Apparently pretty big, so yeah you have to go really soft. They get scared someone will call them a “rayyycccisss”.

    This is odd behavior from men who beat their chests about how they are tough veterans who brought freedom to the world. But it is the truth.

    However, I would say it may be better to just ignore the Nazi crowd. Just shrug it off. They aren’t going away. And if that scares most White men so bad, if White fathers pee their pants over it, well, their ain’t no nation left to pass down anyway.

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  159. @Mr. Anon
    It wasn't a smart-ass comment, smart ass. She apparently was a protester. I didn't know at the time, nor was it generally known, as far as I can tell. She is still an innocent victim who did not deserve to die. I've seen a number of the videos. There is no way of justifying what he did. He is guilty, at minimum, of vehicular homicide and depraved indifference to human life, if not straight-up murder.

    BTW, you say a lot of s**t without vetting it. Look to yourself, before criticizing others.

    What if his collision with the crowd resulted from acceleration after his car was attacked by the mob with bats and pipes?

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    "What if his collision with the crowd resulted from acceleration after his car was attacked by the mob with bats and pipes?"

    At the very least we know the group he was in was subjected to people hurling bottles, urine, etc. at him, trying to mace him, punching at him; and the police stood back and let it happen, when they came to peacefully protest removal over the Lee statue. And in the end, the government denied them that basic civil right. There is a good chance he was similarly attacked on his way to his car, that his car was defaced and as you point out, given the usual antics of these 'Antifa' its quite likely even in the car he was attacked.

    It's only leftist doublespeak that we call these leftists anti-facists, and the anti-racists. They are the facists and racists.
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  160. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    Yes, we know that now. Are any of those things crimes? Crimes that draw the death penalty?

    Are any of those things crimes?

    No.

    Crimes that draw the death penalty?

    No.

    It is clear – to me at least – that she didn’t just happen to be there. The driver didn’t happen to be there. When you go to a violent event, and you go purposely, you are increasing your chances that violence and its consequences, legal and physical, will find you. As to the question of “did she deserve to die?” — no. Did she contribute to the events leading up to it? Yes. Not as much as the driver, and not as much as the many violent people there but, she did contribute, she placed herself there and she stuck around after any hope of a peaceful protest was gone. Life isn’t a movie, there are consequences.

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    Stop before you trigger his fragile leftist psyche.
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  161. Anonym says:
    @Whiskey
    Well of COURSE every monument to a White person will go. We are now in the "hunting the last White man into the weeds" territory.

    The Charlottesville rally was a disaster. If Spencer was actively in the employ of Soros he could not have done a better job. Letting David Duke and the KKK and Nazi-LARPers be the face of your rally was a Soros move. IT GUARANTEES Normies are hostile.

    For the simple reason that Catholics will figure they'll be next, as victims of the KKK, which historically they were targets more than Blacks in the 1920s. And most everyone not German will figure the next final solution will have them inside a gas chamber.

    This is why the Holocaust has such a hold: that people who are not Jewish "care" about Jews is hogwash. They never have and never will. That ordinary White people are not "ethnically pure" and not Aryan Superman and could figure they'd be next is a slam dunk.

    I like ZMan but he's FLAT OUT WRONG. No political movement ever held power like acting in the manner of the Diablos or Hells Angels. It held power by raising money, raising votes, and controlling critical parts of the government and business. The Black Civil Rights/Black Supremacy movement, which is now reaching its height in pursuing the last White men into the weeds, what it was all about in the first place, was successful because it had the backing of the NYT for business and cultural reasons; along with the rest of the media; and the backing of the Progressives, i.e. semi-hereditary mandarins controlling much of the civil service.

    The Alt-Right is DEAD DEAD DEAD. Already Paypal and other payment services like Go Fund Me and Patreon are dropping people; STEVE IS NEXT predictably just as Twitter, Google, and Fakebook unperson and shadow ban or outright ban people. Add to this the DOJ pursuing each and ever member of the Alt-Right after having trolled Donald Trump into thinking they really do want to kill his kids and grandkids -- and its over.

    Nice Job Soros/Spencer!

    What we need instead is a social/political movement akin to Sinn Fein, or the Orangemen, that both takes care of its own -- with its own payment systems, micro messaging, BANKING (the big and small banks are dropping and freezing accounts of the Alt-Right because they can). One that YES parades through enemy territory with its own off-duty cops to provide security; but most importantly offers PROTECTION and EMPLOYMENT and CARE from a hostile society determined to exterminate White men. White men are the equivalent of a the Shia in a Sunni Society. We ought to act accordingly, realizing that Donald Trump is at least as hostile to us thanks to Soros/Spencer as he is to Kim, and probably more than he is to Hillary (who never paraded around implying she'd gas his grandkids).

    The Alt-Right is DEAD DEAD DEAD. Already Paypal and other payment services like Go Fund Me and Patreon are dropping people; STEVE IS NEXT predictably just as Twitter, Google, and Fakebook unperson and shadow ban or outright ban people. Add to this the DOJ pursuing each and ever member of the Alt-Right after having trolled Donald Trump into thinking they really do want to kill his kids and grandkids — and its over.

    Hang on, weren’t the alt-right DEAD DEAD DEAD after that episode where Trump disavowed them? BUT BUT BUT how did they just stage a big rally in Cville? Any time SOON SOON SOON now I suppose.

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  162. Anonym says:
    @pepperinmono
    The dangerousness of these times cannot be exaggerated.
    I see Zimbabwe/Rhodesia, present day South Africa, Dr. Zhivago type shit
    in the future for cis White males.
    First they came for the monuments...

    I see Zimbabwe/Rhodesia, present day South Africa, Dr. Zhivago type shit
    in the future for cis White males.
    First they came for the monuments…

    In ten years time we will be prying the Lazarus poem of the statue of Liberty, liberating the statue as it were.

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  163. Stacy235l says:
    @LondonBob
    Looks like some folks looking for trouble found it. The US does seem to be moving towards some sort of event, Trump might delay it but he won't stop it.

    Looks like some folks looking for trouble found it.

    Who do you think was looking for trouble? The legal protest was just trying to stop a statue of Lee from being removed from Lee park.

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    Who do you think was looking for trouble? The legal protest was just trying to stop a statue of Lee from being removed from Lee park.
     
    The legal protest was trying to do a lot more than that. The removal of the statue was just a pretext for their assembly. It was however (as you point out) quite legal. It seems that the governor and the mayor shut it down in such a way as to all but ensure a riot. I think Mcauliffe got what we wanted out of the affair.
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  164. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @AnotherDad

    Antifa is like Janissary under Ottoman rule. Janissary were Greek or Balkan Christian boys recruited by Ottoman Turks to serve Islam. So, European Christian boys were made to hate their own kind. They were made to serve Allah and attack their own race, culture, and territory.
     
    Your janissary analogy is a clever one, hadn't thought of that.

    There's one clear difference in that the janissaries actually had a reputation for quality and cohesion. It was a manly thing that these antifas certainly are not.

    There's another interesting point of similarity in that--at least originally--the janissaries did not have families and children. I'd bet that's the case in a high percentage of these antifas. This woman who was killed, looks to have had the basic equipment to have mothered a few white kids, but instead had drunk the Kool-Aid and was 32, childless, unmarried and spending her energy on "civil rights" and "fighting hate". She was a zombie.

    “This woman who was killed, looks to have had the basic equipment to have mothered a few white kids, but instead had drunk the Kool-Aid and was 32, childless, unmarried and spending her energy on “civil rights” and “fighting hate”. She was a zombie.”

    I see these women around all the time. They usually have at least 1 if not more dogs or cats, which they pamper, cuddle and kiss, baby talk as though they were surrogate kids, instead of having their own.

    At least they’ve led to new job opportunities for the enterprising- cat psychiatrists are a thing now.

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  165. AndrewR says:
    @Mr. Anon
    It wasn't a smart-ass comment, smart ass. She apparently was a protester. I didn't know at the time, nor was it generally known, as far as I can tell. She is still an innocent victim who did not deserve to die. I've seen a number of the videos. There is no way of justifying what he did. He is guilty, at minimum, of vehicular homicide and depraved indifference to human life, if not straight-up murder.

    BTW, you say a lot of s**t without vetting it. Look to yourself, before criticizing others.

    Why are you on this site?

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    Why are you on this site?
     
    I post much better comments than you, and I've been posting here for twelve years, you pissant little creep. F**k off.
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  166. AndrewR says:
    @anonymous

    Are any of those things crimes?
     
    No.

    Crimes that draw the death penalty?
     
    No.

    It is clear - to me at least - that she didn't just happen to be there. The driver didn't happen to be there. When you go to a violent event, and you go purposely, you are increasing your chances that violence and its consequences, legal and physical, will find you. As to the question of "did she deserve to die?" -- no. Did she contribute to the events leading up to it? Yes. Not as much as the driver, and not as much as the many violent people there but, she did contribute, she placed herself there and she stuck around after any hope of a peaceful protest was gone. Life isn't a movie, there are consequences.

    Stop before you trigger his fragile leftist psyche.

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  167. Don’t get caught up in terms or labels. It is important to talk about mass immigration, trade policy and foreign policy. What happened in Virginia will be gone in a moment of confusion.

    White Core Americans must clean house in the Republican Party. Start simple. Every GOP US Senator who voted for the Mass Immigration Surge/ Illegal Alien Amnesty bill(S744) of 2013 must be removed from the US Senate. Lindsey Graham, Orrin Hatch, Marco Rubio, John McCain, Jeff Flake and the other GOP Senators who voted for that nation-wrecking mass immigration bill are the enemy.

    The violent, anti-free speech scum who attacked the White Core American Patriots in Virginia can be dealt with when the time comes. The average White Core American will be on your side if you talk about immigration, trade and foreign policy in a clear manner. Treasonous scum like Graham, McCain and Flake must be removed from the US Senate.

    White Core Americans will win the scramble for America if they remain focused on basic issues that average voters can understand. Do not remain on the defense. Ignore the names the corporate media will call you.

    Unite The Right means removing scum like McCain, Graham and Flake from the US Senate. It is important that the sides become clear.

    God Bless All Those Who Had The Guts To Defend White Core America In Virginia.

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  168. Seamus says:

    The Jefferson statute in the picture (the one that the white nationalists led their tiki torch parade to last Friday night) was designed by Sir Moses Ezekiel. He gets some intersectionality points for being Jewish, but unfortunately he also fought for the Confederacy as a VMI cadet (taking part in the Battle of New Market), and he also designed the Confederate Memorial that still stands in Arlington National Cemetery (until the SJWs find out about it), so no, he gets classified as a dead, white, racist male, all of whose works should suffer the fate of the Bamiyan Buddhas.

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  169. Obama urges us not to jump to conclusions, unless white people are involved:

    https://spectator.org/53575_obama-lectures-us-not-jump-conclusions-rush-judgment-again/

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  170. @Mr. Anon
    Yes, we know that now. Are any of those things crimes? Crimes that draw the death penalty?

    Are any of those things crimes?

    Unlawful assembly? Rioting? Conspiracy to violate civil rights of free expression and assembly? Being part of a mob that had blocked off a public thoroughfare? Assault?

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    Unlawful assembly? Rioting? Conspiracy to violate civil rights of free expression and assembly? Being part of a mob that had blocked off a public thoroughfare? Assault?
     
    You don't know if she was guilty of any of those things.
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  171. Stacy235l says:
    @AnotherDad

    The fact that some people at the rally were waving 1930s German Flags is also not something that needs to be apologized for and should not be a concern either. The anti-Whites have been calling everyone they don’t like Nazis for decades. Some people have responded by saying “Ok fine, fuck you, I’m a nazi now, check out my cool flag, how do you like that?”.
     
    Uh ... no.

    Unlike you, I've got kids and would actually like to *win* this thing and have a nation to pass on to them.

    While with the way things are trending, i'd be perfectly happy to go ahead and have the civil war now--I guess I'd need to buy a lot more ammunition first, especially being old and slow and unfleet of foot--get the separation accomplished and have a peaceful traditionalist nation for my kids to inherit ... that's not really in the cards.

    So what we have is a war of convincing people. Nazi flags just convince people that you are a) nasty and oppressive and b) an unserious loon.

    Furthermore--why the heck do I want to be associated with Nazi anything? I have nothing against German nationalism. But Nazis are famous for ... imperialism!--for invading other countries and genociding people they didn't like. I'm against imperialism and for nationalism--everyone gets to have a nation of their own to run as befits their traditions and culture--and am against genociding anyone, starting with my people!

    Confederate flags are unhelpful, but at least relevant to Robert E. Lee statue controversy. And I don't begrudge any "son of the south" waving theirs around.

    Nazi flags are a PR disaster for the nationalist side. It wouldn't even surprise me if they were brought there by antifas or by FBI agents just to create terrible optics.

    Let's try American flags and the good old fashioned American "Don't Tread on Me". That's what this is all about. Nazis treaded on all sorts of people and it's a dishonor to our cause to see their flag around.

    Unlike you, I’ve got kids and would actually like to *win*

    You had it better when you were young than he does now. Unfortunately 27 year olds can’t afford to have family’s now, insulting them for it is just plain stupid. As you said yourself you’re old, and therefore part of conservative/right wing that has been losing for generations, so you’ve obviously been doing something wrong. You probably shouldn’t be lecturing young people on how to win.

    So what we have is a war of convincing people.

    This is a major reason you’ve been losing. You punch people you believe are to your right, and try to convince people to your left. Note that Trump try’s to avoid doing this and he was elected President of the United States. Most people are, to some degree, conformists. They love winners, so win first (or at least act like a winner and stop giving in)and then they’ll be convinced. That’s what the left does, win and then set the narrative so they can keep winning. The Donald actually won last year by being bold, and yet you seem to be retreating. Careful not to offend anyone to your left. It’s as if there’s a reason you’ve been losing for generations.

    Nazi flags just convince people that you are a) nasty and oppressive and b) an unserious loon.

    This is called REBELLION. Ever heard of it? Young white people are treated like villains. They don’t know your traditionalist nation, you old losers let it be destroyed. Repeat, you had it better when you were young. They have no real power to strike back so they do things the establishment hates to get under their skin. They know they’re constantly being lied to, so some of them start to suspect old Adolf may have actually been good. They think “Hell, he seems to have all the right enemies.”

    Young rebellious whites are endlesly punched by the liberal establishment. And then old respectable losers like you punch them too. You actually punch the young people most likely to take your side. As a very obvious result they see you as no different than the the left. This may come as a surprise but young people really don’t like being talked down to.

    But Nazis are famous for … imperialism!–I’m against imperialism and for nationalism–everyone gets to have a nation of their own to run as befits their traditions and culture–and am against genociding anyone, starting with my people!

    Great point. It would be a lot easier to convince young folks of that if you didn’t punch’em first. Also you could try using National Socialist. Nazi sounds silly and more importantly conformist. When you say or right Nazi it sounds as if you completely buy the narrative. Oh yeah, never talk about Nazis committing genocide, that really makes you sound “establishment”. Young whites don’t buy it, even most the liberal ones, and they’re not going to. Get over it.

    You should be trying to win over rebellious young whites instead of ganging up on them. If you want to win them over(And judging by your comments that seems to be a big “if”) you need to convince them you’re on their side, that you’re willing to fight for them(unfortunately leftist have historically been very good at this, and still are with other races and certain whites). Ironically, I’ve been successful at this by standing up for them against old conservatives like you. Once they know I really care about them, and about white people in general, it’s pretty easy to get’em to rebel in a more productive manner. Of course, you need to what is productive. Judging by your inclination to punch right and “convince” left it’s obvious you don’t.

    Confederate flags are unhelpful

    The battle flag only became demonized because old conservative losers like you let it happen. You failed to conserve anything. It was 1993 before I even heard anyone suggest the flag was offensive to blacks, and it was entirely whites making the claim. The only blacks who believed it at the time were some naive young people. You see, the white leftist were trying to convince them they were on their side an willing to fight for them. It took decades but they managed to get to the point were we are now. Repeat, people like you let this happen. And now you seem to have bought this “confederate flag bad” narrative hook line and sinker.

    Have I mentioned that you’ve been losing? Well unfortunately Bill Clinton was a winner. He used the battle flag in campaigning in both 92 and 96, after the damning had begun. It worked. Boldness pays off. He was was strong when you were weak. You’re still weak.

    And I don’t begrudge any “son of the south” waving theirs around.

    Why even try after your “unhelpful” comment? I’m a southern man and it feels like there is a boot on my neck. In you’re weakness/thickness you act as though that boot is reasonable. As if things I love must be bad because the liberal establish said so. You actually accepted their narrative on the battle flag. A narrative, by the way, that didn’t even exist for much(perhaps most) of your life. White liberals literally made this nonsense up in the 90′s and you actually bought it.

    You right as though I am making you look bad. As if I’m making it harder for you, perennial loser, to win. And then you say you don’t begrudge me waving my flag? As if you would have any business begrudging me waving it. Are you really that clueless?

    First they came for the battle flag. Said it was bad and you bought it. Now their taking confederate monuments, and ya just know their eventually going to go after the founders monuments too. You have let it happen. You’ve lost, and lost, and lost. And now you want to lecture the bold 27 year old about winning. And you insinuate us southerners are making it difficult for you to win, but in your goodness yer not gonna hold it against us. Thanks a lot.

    Nazi flags are a PR disaster for the nationalist side. It wouldn’t even surprise me if they were brought there by antifas or by FBI agents just to create terrible optics.

    Let’s try American flags and the good old fashioned American “Don’t Tread on Me”. That’s what this is all about. Nazis treaded on all sorts of people and it’s a dishonor to our cause to see their flag around.

    Again and again with your Nazi obsession. Just shut up about it already.

    You’re just not qualified to give advice on winning. One would think after a lifetime of losing you’d have realized that.

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  172. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Opinionator
    FDR saved the Jews.

    Roosevelt refused to bomb Auschwitz even though he know what was going on there. This came out in the 1990s and permanently soured Jewish attitudes towards him.

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    Roosevelt refused to bomb Auschwitz even though he know what was going on there. This came out in the 1990s and permanently soured Jewish attitudes towards him.

     

    Bombing the Nazi Death Camps was a complicated business:

    By the time the Allies had the capability to extend their bombing raids into Poland, which was not before July 1944, most of the death camps had stopped operating. Please see here for the difference between a death camp and a concentration camp. Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka had been dismantled by the end of 1943. Chelmno operated with gas vans, so there was nothing to bomb there. Majdanek had only been used as a death camp between late 1943 and early 1944 (the rest of the time it was a regular concentration camp) and was liberated by the Soviets in July 1944.
    That leaves only Auschwitz. Auschwitz was bombed but it was the strategically important Buna factory at Auschwitz III-Monowitz that was the target of the bombings. The reason that the gas chambers were not targeted is that eliminating them was not of strategic importance and was not one of the war aims of the Allied command. They were interested only in winning the war.
     
    https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2uypif/why_did_the_allies_not_do_one_bombing_raid_on_a/

    As for bombing the railways:

    The truth is that WWII bombers were largely ineffective against rail lines.
    There are a number of reasons for this. The first is that WWII bombers were not accurate enough to reliably hit a rail line. Keep in mind the very nature of a set of rails--they are a ribbon of infrastructure mere feet wide that snakes through the country. Now we add the difficulties of WWII bombing that resulted in most bombs ending up nowhere near their intended target. Specific factories were often missed by the bombers tasked to destroy them, and there were many times in which entire cities were missed by the bombers. The 'solution' to this difficulty was to send more bombers (again, at great expense) so that you could drop more bombs in the hope that one of those bombs would hit its target. This was somewhat effective.
    There were operations undertaken against German rail lines. Most prominently, they were targeted as part of the 'Transportation Plan' prior to D-Day. As reconnaissance during the war indicated and surveys after the war confirmed, there was some success for a time. Rail lines, if targeted with large numbers of bombers, could be disrupted--but only for a short time. But unless a bridge or viaduct was somehow heavily damaged or destroyed (something only 'tallboy' and 'grand slam' bombs very late in the war had any real chance of accomplishing), the railroad would be repaired in short order. Basically, most of the time the trains were able to roll through the targeted area in 24 hours. This is partly due to the aforementioned difficulties in targeting rail lines, but the Germans also had dedicated forces to repairing railroad damage. In addition, these units would compel local people to assist in the reconstruction of the rail line. Further, outside of bridges and viaducts railroads are basically piles of rocks and gravel with a little wood and steel beams on top. This means that low-tech solutions were perfectly suitable to fixing the damage caused by relatively high-tech instruments such as heavy four engine bombers equipped with every modern piece of equipment. German railways only collapsed extremely late in the war, basically when every other service had also shut down and the government had effectively collapsed. (Christian Wolmar covers this quite well in Engines of War)

    In the final analysis, rail lines could only be cut on a tactical basis. Within a matter of hours repairs on a damaged line could be completed, so to ensure that a rail line was not used it would have to be retargeted multiple times. This meant that the bombers could not be used to attack other targets that were also deemed worthy of their attention. So, to target the railways leading to the death camps, bombers would have to undergo great risks (at great expense both in money and men) repeatedly (because the Germans had great success in repairing rail lines within hours) to even have a chance at success, and other targets would have to be neglected. So the Allies generally focused on other targets rather than try to cut any rail line, much less a rail line leading to any of the camps.
    Wolmar also discusses the resilience of German railroads. While there was considerable damage done to German railroads, Wolmar contends that the evidence shows that disruptions to railroad traffic were much less than expected. In particular, he cites a report from civil defense workers sent to Germany after the war to study Germany's railroads. Damage to tracks and controls was usually limited geographically, and tended to not be the subject of repeated attacks in a small area. So the German response was to suspend traffic for a few days and use alternate routes. Apparently, there were many such alternate routes in Germany, though I do not know if there were the same options available near the concentration camps that were mostly in Poland. Also, the Germans had few "triangular junctions" that allowed traffic to move if any one of the three sections were damaged, so their resilience is even more surprising.
    Radar is also credited for allowing train traffic to continue despite air raids, as the trains kept rolling until there were planes in the immediate area. Further, trains were not stopped for single aircraft, as the gain was seen as being worth the risk. Also, slave labor and other manpower was used to repair the damage from raids, allowing the lines to be rapidly reopened. Wolmar cites a raid on a railroad yard in Hamm as an example. It was hit by more than 1,300 bombs on April 22, 1944. Six thousand workers were used to get repairs underway, and the trains were rolling through the yard in less than 24 hours. Within six weeks the yard was back to nearly full capacity. If you combine this with the camouflage efforts to simulate damage to operational tracks, you can see that it was difficult to stop the trains.
    Wolmar does give some credit to the 1944 campaign to attack the railroads directly. He admits that damage was extensive, but says that the disruptions were more attributable to administrative problems than to the damage itself. He highlights the inability of the Allies to target viaducts and train tunnels until the rather late introduction of the "Tallboy" bombs.

    So, attacks on the railroads would have definitely raised the cost of transporting victims to concentration camps, but it may not have been able to bring the trains to a halt. German rail service was remarkably resilient to Allied bombing, and when damage did occur it was often repaired quickly.

     

    https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2vnzri/what_was_the_reasoning_against_allied_bombing_of/
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Roosevelt refused to bomb Auschwitz even though he know what was going on there. This came out in the 1990s and permanently soured Jewish attitudes towards him."

    How is bombing Auschwitz supposed to help? So that the prisoners could be mercifully blown to bits by high-explosives, instead of being mercilessly gassed or worked to death? Do you know how many collateral casualties were involved in "precision bombing" at that time?

    To get an idea how useful an airforce is in saving people on the ground, consider this incident from late in the war:

    Operation Carthage
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  173. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    The fact that some people at the rally were waving 1930s German Flags is also not something that needs to be apologized for and should not be a concern either. The anti-Whites have been calling everyone they don’t like Nazis for decades. Some people have responded by saying “Ok fine, fuck you, I’m a nazi now, check out my cool flag, how do you like that?”.
     
    Uh ... no.

    Unlike you, I've got kids and would actually like to *win* this thing and have a nation to pass on to them.

    While with the way things are trending, i'd be perfectly happy to go ahead and have the civil war now--I guess I'd need to buy a lot more ammunition first, especially being old and slow and unfleet of foot--get the separation accomplished and have a peaceful traditionalist nation for my kids to inherit ... that's not really in the cards.

    So what we have is a war of convincing people. Nazi flags just convince people that you are a) nasty and oppressive and b) an unserious loon.

    Furthermore--why the heck do I want to be associated with Nazi anything? I have nothing against German nationalism. But Nazis are famous for ... imperialism!--for invading other countries and genociding people they didn't like. I'm against imperialism and for nationalism--everyone gets to have a nation of their own to run as befits their traditions and culture--and am against genociding anyone, starting with my people!

    Confederate flags are unhelpful, but at least relevant to Robert E. Lee statue controversy. And I don't begrudge any "son of the south" waving theirs around.

    Nazi flags are a PR disaster for the nationalist side. It wouldn't even surprise me if they were brought there by antifas or by FBI agents just to create terrible optics.

    Let's try American flags and the good old fashioned American "Don't Tread on Me". That's what this is all about. Nazis treaded on all sorts of people and it's a dishonor to our cause to see their flag around.

    The left have created this situation by promiscuously accusing everyone they don’t like of being Nazis. NAZI NAZI NAZI is just routine background noise of modern politics. It’s become meaningless.

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    Right. So don't encourage it (and arguably, validate it) by waving Nazi flags around!
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  174. @Anonymous
    Yes tear down all the White statues. Those who smugly identified with the North shouldn't be allowed to keep their little slave owning heroes up.

    ALL the Founders should be torn down.

    And Lincoln himself, the great slaughter of 700,000 Americans, had problematic views on race.

    Tear it all down.

    That is where we are trending. It was fun while it lasted.

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    Walker Percy:

    "Undoubtedly something is about to happen. Or is it that something has stopped happening? Is it that God has at last removed his blessing from the U.S.A. and what we feel now is just the clank of the old historical machinery, the sudden jerking ahead of the roller-coaster cars as the chain catches hold and carries us back into history with its ordinary catastrophes, carries us out and up toward the brink from that felicitous and privileged siding where even unbelievers admitted that if it was not God who blessed the U.S.A., then at least some great good luck had befallen us, and that now the blessing or the luck is over, the machinery clanks, the chain catches hold, and the cars jerk forward?....

    The poor U.S.A.!

    Even now, late as it is, nobody can really believe that it didn’t work after all. The U.S.A. didn’t work! Is it even possible that from the beginning it never did work? That the thing always had a flaw in it, a place where it would shear, and that all this time we were not really different from Ecuador and Bosnia-Herzegovina, just richer....

    Bad as we were there was no one else, and everybody knew it, even our enemies, and that is why they curse us. Who curses the Chinese? Who ever imagined the Chinese were blessed by God and asked to save the world? Who ever expected anything else from them than what they did? What a laugh. And as for Russia and the Russian Christ who was going to save Europe from itself: ha ha.

    Flunked! Christendom down the drain. The dream over. Back to history and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

    It is still not too late. I can save you, America! I know something! I know what is wrong! I hit on something, made a breakthrough, came on a discovery! I can save the terrible God-blessed Americans from themselves! With my invention! Listen to me. Don’t give up. It is not too late. You are still the last hope. There is no one else. Bad as we are, there is no one else."
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  175. @for-the-record
    And while we're at it, America will have to go too.

    ...the slaves whom Alonso de Hojeda and Amerigo Vespucci brought back from the Bahamas after their journeys of discovery along the north coast of South America in 1499. (“We agreed to seize shiploads of the inhabitants as slaves, and to load the ships with them and turn toward Spain. We went to certain islands and took by force two hundred and thirty-two persons and set course for Castile.” Two hundred survived the journey, to be sold in Cádiz.) ... Vespucci [also] brought back slaves from his voyage along the coast of Brazil, and these Cristóbal Guerra sold as well, in Cádiz, Jerez, and Córdoba... In Seville, Vespucci when he died had five slaves in his household, of whom two were African, one Canary Island, and two mixed Spanish and Canary (the two last may have been Amerigo’s bastards).
     
    Hugh Thomas, The Slave Trade: The Story of the Atlantic Slave Trade: 1440 - 1870

    Probably everyone alive today has an ancestor who owned slaves. So we will have to burn all history books. And live with the knowledge that our ancestors owned slaves but that we do not know their names. But, ideally, we will forget that slavery ever existed.

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  176. @Mr. Anon
    It wasn't a smart-ass comment, smart ass. She apparently was a protester. I didn't know at the time, nor was it generally known, as far as I can tell. She is still an innocent victim who did not deserve to die. I've seen a number of the videos. There is no way of justifying what he did. He is guilty, at minimum, of vehicular homicide and depraved indifference to human life, if not straight-up murder.

    BTW, you say a lot of s**t without vetting it. Look to yourself, before criticizing others.

    >She is still an innocent victim who did not deserve to die.

    Thought experiment:

    Would the dead antifa say the same if it was an alt-righter that got killed?

    You’re losing with dignity.

    The girl was a committed enemy, who hated you and your kids just for existing and she killed due to her own stupid criminal activity.

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    Would the dead antifa say the same if it was an alt-righter that got killed?
     
    I don't know. You don't either.


    You’re losing with dignity.
     
    You think you're winning with this display?

    The girl was a committed enemy, who hated you and your kids just for existing and she killed due to her own stupid criminal activity.
     
    She was a young liberal woman, who believes a lot of the crap that young liberal women do - probably a lot of the same crap that your female relatives believe. You have no idea whether or not she would have been as indifferent to your death as you seem to be to hers.

    Thanks for clearing up any uncertainty I had. You're a dimwit, and I can safely ignore anything you say in future.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Thanks for clearing up any uncertainty I had. You’re a dimwit, and I can safely ignore anything you say in future.
     
    My apologies. I thought you were AndrewR, and that last comment was meant for him, not you.
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  177. @AnotherDad

    The fact that some people at the rally were waving 1930s German Flags is also not something that needs to be apologized for and should not be a concern either. The anti-Whites have been calling everyone they don’t like Nazis for decades. Some people have responded by saying “Ok fine, fuck you, I’m a nazi now, check out my cool flag, how do you like that?”.
     
    Uh ... no.

    Unlike you, I've got kids and would actually like to *win* this thing and have a nation to pass on to them.

    While with the way things are trending, i'd be perfectly happy to go ahead and have the civil war now--I guess I'd need to buy a lot more ammunition first, especially being old and slow and unfleet of foot--get the separation accomplished and have a peaceful traditionalist nation for my kids to inherit ... that's not really in the cards.

    So what we have is a war of convincing people. Nazi flags just convince people that you are a) nasty and oppressive and b) an unserious loon.

    Furthermore--why the heck do I want to be associated with Nazi anything? I have nothing against German nationalism. But Nazis are famous for ... imperialism!--for invading other countries and genociding people they didn't like. I'm against imperialism and for nationalism--everyone gets to have a nation of their own to run as befits their traditions and culture--and am against genociding anyone, starting with my people!

    Confederate flags are unhelpful, but at least relevant to Robert E. Lee statue controversy. And I don't begrudge any "son of the south" waving theirs around.

    Nazi flags are a PR disaster for the nationalist side. It wouldn't even surprise me if they were brought there by antifas or by FBI agents just to create terrible optics.

    Let's try American flags and the good old fashioned American "Don't Tread on Me". That's what this is all about. Nazis treaded on all sorts of people and it's a dishonor to our cause to see their flag around.

    >Let’s try American flags and the good old fashioned American “Don’t Tread on Me”.

    Lol, the cucked boomers already tried that, it was called the Tea Party. It didn’t work. That time has passed.

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    The cucked boomers didn't lose because they had the wrong flags. They lost because the Tea Party was co-opted by the GOP and Conservative Inc. There are lessons to be learned from what happened to the Tea Party, however their failure to wave foreign flags and engage in "edgy" larping are not among them. Of course, there should've been plenty of "offensive" Southern flags - and there were - because those are American and relevant to the issue at hand.
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  178. jill says:

    CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. (AP) – Charlottesville Mayor Mike Signer has proclaimed the city a capital of resistance and vowed to provide assistance to immigrants who need visa help.
    Signer made the remarks Tuesday at a rally at Downtown Mall. Civic and community leaders also spoke at the event, as did Khizr Khan, the father of a Muslim American soldier died in combat in Iraq.
    Signer says he is considering making Charlottesville a sanctuary city and is looking into ways to add protections for immigrants and political refugees.

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  179. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @dfordoom

    Why is antifa violence so ugly? Self-hate is the ugliest kind of hate and thus the driver of the worst kind of hate
     
    There's no self-hate involved. SJWs are religious cultists. They are the Elect, they are Saved. They're demonstrating their superior virtue. It's a kind of religious narcissism, not dissimilar to many Protestant sects.

    They hate sinners, which means anyone who disagrees with them. Because anyone who disagrees with them is denying Revealed Truth and must be not merely wrong but Evil.

    But it is definitely not self-hate. SJWs might hate their culture and their parents but they don't hate themselves. They only hate badwhites but they know that they're goodwhites.

    They believe they're the most virtuous people who have ever walked the Earth.

    There’s no self-hate involved. SJWs are religious cultists. They are the Elect, they are Saved. They’re demonstrating their superior virtue. It’s a kind of religious narcissism, not dissimilar to many Protestant sects. They hate sinners, which means anyone who disagrees with them. Because anyone who disagrees with them is denying Revealed Truth and must be not merely wrong but Evil.

    1. Antifa are SJW but most SJW are not antifa. Antifa are especially pathological subgroup among SJW. Ivy Leagues are filled with SJW’s but they are not antifa. Antifa tend to be anarcho-syndicalist and grunge-punk. They are mostly bottom-feeders. Some are better-educated and hold university jobs but at lesser colleges.

    2. SJW sense of superior virtue is predicated on self-hate. They feel ‘saved’ and superior because they are whites who atone for ‘white guilt’. The are confessed sinners who hate un-confessed sinners who won’t admit to their ‘white sin’.

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    2. SJW sense of superior virtue is predicated on self-hate. They feel ‘saved’ and superior because they are whites who atone for ‘white guilt’. The are confessed sinners who hate un-confessed sinners who won’t admit to their ‘white sin’.
     
    But they're atoning for the ‘white guilt’ of other whites. The badwhites. They don't have any guilt to atone for because they're goodwhites.

    It's convenient because it gives them a moral justification for their hatred of poor and working-class whites.

    Never underestimate the degree of class hatred driving the SJWs.
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  180. @dfordoom
    Maybe it's time to stop worshiping the Founding Fathers. They were after all traitors and their ideas were a mishmash of silly Enlightenment twaddle. Their Constitution turned out to be unworkable.

    Maybe it's time to cause some cognitive dissonance among SJWs by agreeing with them that Jefferson and Washington and the rest of that crew should go. Maybe it's time to turn Loyalist Tories into culture heroes.

    Yeah, let’s canonize Lord Dunmore and his “Ethiopian Regiment,” and all the British/Tory officers and officials who organized and led Iroquois, Huron, and Cherokee raids on American settlements.

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  181. Anon7 says:
    @Anonymous
    While we're at it, shouldn't we be yanking up Muslim mosques all over the US? That includes the Black Muslim variety that Malcolm X was so fond of. And, for that matter, since 'ol Malcolm was a supporter, shouldn't we be removing his name from schools, roads, etc?

    After all, if we are going to be honest about it, Muslims are the greatest enslavers the world has ever known. Institutional slavery there extended back far before the Western dalliance with it, and far after it was over here. It didn't end in Saudi Arabia, the home of the Prophet until 1962! Muslims were the slave drivers creating African slavery and the Ottomans also enslaved over a million white European Christians. One could easily make the argument that the Muslim slave trade was instrumental, if not causative, of slavery in the West.

    And even though it was quite short in the West, the West eventually recognized it as evil, condemned it, and tried to quash it in other places. Where was the Islamic (or any other non-white) group equivalence of that? It only ended in the Middle East from pressure from the West.

    Seems to me that if we are going to be logically consistent, we should be removing everything Muslim before we start yanking down Confederate statues, given the much greater significance to slavery.

    For that matter, wasn't there a significant Jewish presence in the slave trade as well? Certainly historical accounts of slavery abound in Jewish history. Not to mention genocide and conquest. Maybe we should be doing some yanking over that as well?

    And how about the Mayans, the Incans, the Chinese, Japanese..?. Seems to me that if we truly want to start digging into this, someone naughty who knows their past could make the case that every other people on the earth need to have priority to have their history erased before the white man's is due.

    I agree with your points. I am particularly interested in this comment that you made, to bring it back to the discussion about the Charlottesville statue.

    “Seems to me that if we truly want to start digging into this, someone naughty who knows their past…”

    So, who exactly was it that put up these offensive Confederate statues all across the south? I wonder how many people remember what the “Solid South” means. It refers to the fact that from the end of reconstruction until the civil rights legislation of 1965 Democrats controlled the south politically. They are the ones to disenfranchise blacks, they’re the ones who instituted Jim Crow laws. They are the ones who put up the statues.

    Do you think that it’s a coincidence that Democrats are constantly trying to point away from themselves during this period of conflict? Do you think it’s a coincidence that they’re pointing at Donald Trump and shouting racist at him? They are the hypocrites here, and I guess I am no longer astonished that the national media does absolutely nothing to point it out.

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    So, who exactly was it that put up these offensive Confederate statues all across the south? I wonder how many people remember what the “Solid South” means. It refers to the fact that from the end of reconstruction until the civil rights legislation of 1965 Democrats controlled the south politically. They are the ones to disenfranchise blacks, they’re the ones who instituted Jim Crow laws. They are the ones who put up the statues.

    So, you mean to tell me that we southern whites used to work toward our own interest? The horror.

    This tactic of throwing the South under the bus has been used endlessly by republicans. It even has a name "The Democrats are the Real Racist". It has never worked. Not once. It's never worked because it's bullsh*t. Those people aren't democrats anymore. If you're offended by southern history/culture/statues, then you need a history, or for that matter a present lesson. You're spitting in the face of an awful lot of folks that are actually on your side. You're p*ssing on the graves of good people who did what they had to do to protect their families and maintain civilization.

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  182. Matra says:
    @27 year old
    >Let’s try American flags and the good old fashioned American “Don’t Tread on Me”.

    Lol, the cucked boomers already tried that, it was called the Tea Party. It didn't work. That time has passed.

    The cucked boomers didn’t lose because they had the wrong flags. They lost because the Tea Party was co-opted by the GOP and Conservative Inc. There are lessons to be learned from what happened to the Tea Party, however their failure to wave foreign flags and engage in “edgy” larping are not among them. Of course, there should’ve been plenty of “offensive” Southern flags – and there were – because those are American and relevant to the issue at hand.

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  183. res says:
    @Anonymous
    The left have created this situation by promiscuously accusing everyone they don't like of being Nazis. NAZI NAZI NAZI is just routine background noise of modern politics. It's become meaningless.

    Right. So don’t encourage it (and arguably, validate it) by waving Nazi flags around!

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  184. MEH 0910 says:

    http://newsdiffs.org/diff/1457427/1457579/https%3A/www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-protests-white-nationalists.html

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  185. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    Roosevelt refused to bomb Auschwitz even though he know what was going on there. This came out in the 1990s and permanently soured Jewish attitudes towards him.

    Roosevelt refused to bomb Auschwitz even though he know what was going on there. This came out in the 1990s and permanently soured Jewish attitudes towards him.

    Bombing the Nazi Death Camps was a complicated business:

    By the time the Allies had the capability to extend their bombing raids into Poland, which was not before July 1944, most of the death camps had stopped operating. Please see here for the difference between a death camp and a concentration camp. Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka had been dismantled by the end of 1943. Chelmno operated with gas vans, so there was nothing to bomb there. Majdanek had only been used as a death camp between late 1943 and early 1944 (the rest of the time it was a regular concentration camp) and was liberated by the Soviets in July 1944.
    That leaves only Auschwitz. Auschwitz was bombed but it was the strategically important Buna factory at Auschwitz III-Monowitz that was the target of the bombings. The reason that the gas chambers were not targeted is that eliminating them was not of strategic importance and was not one of the war aims of the Allied command. They were interested only in winning the war.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2uypif/why_did_the_allies_not_do_one_bombing_raid_on_a/

    As for bombing the railways:

    The truth is that WWII bombers were largely ineffective against rail lines.
    There are a number of reasons for this. The first is that WWII bombers were not accurate enough to reliably hit a rail line. Keep in mind the very nature of a set of rails–they are a ribbon of infrastructure mere feet wide that snakes through the country. Now we add the difficulties of WWII bombing that resulted in most bombs ending up nowhere near their intended target. Specific factories were often missed by the bombers tasked to destroy them, and there were many times in which entire cities were missed by the bombers. The ‘solution’ to this difficulty was to send more bombers (again, at great expense) so that you could drop more bombs in the hope that one of those bombs would hit its target. This was somewhat effective.
    There were operations undertaken against German rail lines. Most prominently, they were targeted as part of the ‘Transportation Plan’ prior to D-Day. As reconnaissance during the war indicated and surveys after the war confirmed, there was some success for a time. Rail lines, if targeted with large numbers of bombers, could be disrupted–but only for a short time. But unless a bridge or viaduct was somehow heavily damaged or destroyed (something only ‘tallboy’ and ‘grand slam’ bombs very late in the war had any real chance of accomplishing), the railroad would be repaired in short order. Basically, most of the time the trains were able to roll through the targeted area in 24 hours. This is partly due to the aforementioned difficulties in targeting rail lines, but the Germans also had dedicated forces to repairing railroad damage. In addition, these units would compel local people to assist in the reconstruction of the rail line. Further, outside of bridges and viaducts railroads are basically piles of rocks and gravel with a little wood and steel beams on top. This means that low-tech solutions were perfectly suitable to fixing the damage caused by relatively high-tech instruments such as heavy four engine bombers equipped with every modern piece of equipment. German railways only collapsed extremely late in the war, basically when every other service had also shut down and the government had effectively collapsed. (Christian Wolmar covers this quite well in Engines of War)

    In the final analysis, rail lines could only be cut on a tactical basis. Within a matter of hours repairs on a damaged line could be completed, so to ensure that a rail line was not used it would have to be retargeted multiple times. This meant that the bombers could not be used to attack other targets that were also deemed worthy of their attention. So, to target the railways leading to the death camps, bombers would have to undergo great risks (at great expense both in money and men) repeatedly (because the Germans had great success in repairing rail lines within hours) to even have a chance at success, and other targets would have to be neglected. So the Allies generally focused on other targets rather than try to cut any rail line, much less a rail line leading to any of the camps.
    Wolmar also discusses the resilience of German railroads. While there was considerable damage done to German railroads, Wolmar contends that the evidence shows that disruptions to railroad traffic were much less than expected. In particular, he cites a report from civil defense workers sent to Germany after the war to study Germany’s railroads. Damage to tracks and controls was usually limited geographically, and tended to not be the subject of repeated attacks in a small area. So the German response was to suspend traffic for a few days and use alternate routes. Apparently, there were many such alternate routes in Germany, though I do not know if there were the same options available near the concentration camps that were mostly in Poland. Also, the Germans had few “triangular junctions” that allowed traffic to move if any one of the three sections were damaged, so their resilience is even more surprising.
    Radar is also credited for allowing train traffic to continue despite air raids, as the trains kept rolling until there were planes in the immediate area. Further, trains were not stopped for single aircraft, as the gain was seen as being worth the risk. Also, slave labor and other manpower was used to repair the damage from raids, allowing the lines to be rapidly reopened. Wolmar cites a raid on a railroad yard in Hamm as an example. It was hit by more than 1,300 bombs on April 22, 1944. Six thousand workers were used to get repairs underway, and the trains were rolling through the yard in less than 24 hours. Within six weeks the yard was back to nearly full capacity. If you combine this with the camouflage efforts to simulate damage to operational tracks, you can see that it was difficult to stop the trains.
    Wolmar does give some credit to the 1944 campaign to attack the railroads directly. He admits that damage was extensive, but says that the disruptions were more attributable to administrative problems than to the damage itself. He highlights the inability of the Allies to target viaducts and train tunnels until the rather late introduction of the “Tallboy” bombs.

    So, attacks on the railroads would have definitely raised the cost of transporting victims to concentration camps, but it may not have been able to bring the trains to a halt. German rail service was remarkably resilient to Allied bombing, and when damage did occur it was often repaired quickly.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2vnzri/what_was_the_reasoning_against_allied_bombing_of/

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  186. kelvin says:
    @Greg Bacon
    Why all the tears, hand wringing and shock at the violence in Charlottesville? Violence is what this nation was founded on and its violence that we still worship today, by keeping that tool at #1 in our diplomacy tool box.
    Violence is a constant drumbeat in our background, either for real or implied, as one ego maniac--Trump--has been threatening another--Kim--with fire and fury.

    How many nations have we used lies as an excuse to invade, bomb and destroy since 9/11? How many millions have we killed since then, based on LIES?
    How many more have we blasted to bits with drones, based on hearsay? How many have been murdered by Special Forces assassins? All murdered by a rogue govt that no longer sees the need to actually declare war, we just have to believe whatever Wolf or Madcow is selling us.

    How many other nations have we used puppet masters like Soros to send in trouble-makers, even assassins to kill off key people, start riots and overthrow the elected govt?

    If you go back a century, our 'body count' must be close to 100 million, with most of that slaughter based on lies and deceptions.

    So when some American reacts, using the same 'tool' our govt uses on a daily bases, why are people so surprised that someone emulated an authority figure?

    Fighting for Peace is like Fucking for Virginity.

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  187. @syonredux

    Roosevelt refused to bomb Auschwitz even though he know what was going on there. This came out in the 1990s and permanently soured Jewish attitudes towards him.

     

    Bombing the Nazi Death Camps was a complicated business:

    By the time the Allies had the capability to extend their bombing raids into Poland, which was not before July 1944, most of the death camps had stopped operating. Please see here for the difference between a death camp and a concentration camp. Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka had been dismantled by the end of 1943. Chelmno operated with gas vans, so there was nothing to bomb there. Majdanek had only been used as a death camp between late 1943 and early 1944 (the rest of the time it was a regular concentration camp) and was liberated by the Soviets in July 1944.
    That leaves only Auschwitz. Auschwitz was bombed but it was the strategically important Buna factory at Auschwitz III-Monowitz that was the target of the bombings. The reason that the gas chambers were not targeted is that eliminating them was not of strategic importance and was not one of the war aims of the Allied command. They were interested only in winning the war.
     
    https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2uypif/why_did_the_allies_not_do_one_bombing_raid_on_a/

    As for bombing the railways:

    The truth is that WWII bombers were largely ineffective against rail lines.
    There are a number of reasons for this. The first is that WWII bombers were not accurate enough to reliably hit a rail line. Keep in mind the very nature of a set of rails--they are a ribbon of infrastructure mere feet wide that snakes through the country. Now we add the difficulties of WWII bombing that resulted in most bombs ending up nowhere near their intended target. Specific factories were often missed by the bombers tasked to destroy them, and there were many times in which entire cities were missed by the bombers. The 'solution' to this difficulty was to send more bombers (again, at great expense) so that you could drop more bombs in the hope that one of those bombs would hit its target. This was somewhat effective.
    There were operations undertaken against German rail lines. Most prominently, they were targeted as part of the 'Transportation Plan' prior to D-Day. As reconnaissance during the war indicated and surveys after the war confirmed, there was some success for a time. Rail lines, if targeted with large numbers of bombers, could be disrupted--but only for a short time. But unless a bridge or viaduct was somehow heavily damaged or destroyed (something only 'tallboy' and 'grand slam' bombs very late in the war had any real chance of accomplishing), the railroad would be repaired in short order. Basically, most of the time the trains were able to roll through the targeted area in 24 hours. This is partly due to the aforementioned difficulties in targeting rail lines, but the Germans also had dedicated forces to repairing railroad damage. In addition, these units would compel local people to assist in the reconstruction of the rail line. Further, outside of bridges and viaducts railroads are basically piles of rocks and gravel with a little wood and steel beams on top. This means that low-tech solutions were perfectly suitable to fixing the damage caused by relatively high-tech instruments such as heavy four engine bombers equipped with every modern piece of equipment. German railways only collapsed extremely late in the war, basically when every other service had also shut down and the government had effectively collapsed. (Christian Wolmar covers this quite well in Engines of War)

    In the final analysis, rail lines could only be cut on a tactical basis. Within a matter of hours repairs on a damaged line could be completed, so to ensure that a rail line was not used it would have to be retargeted multiple times. This meant that the bombers could not be used to attack other targets that were also deemed worthy of their attention. So, to target the railways leading to the death camps, bombers would have to undergo great risks (at great expense both in money and men) repeatedly (because the Germans had great success in repairing rail lines within hours) to even have a chance at success, and other targets would have to be neglected. So the Allies generally focused on other targets rather than try to cut any rail line, much less a rail line leading to any of the camps.
    Wolmar also discusses the resilience of German railroads. While there was considerable damage done to German railroads, Wolmar contends that the evidence shows that disruptions to railroad traffic were much less than expected. In particular, he cites a report from civil defense workers sent to Germany after the war to study Germany's railroads. Damage to tracks and controls was usually limited geographically, and tended to not be the subject of repeated attacks in a small area. So the German response was to suspend traffic for a few days and use alternate routes. Apparently, there were many such alternate routes in Germany, though I do not know if there were the same options available near the concentration camps that were mostly in Poland. Also, the Germans had few "triangular junctions" that allowed traffic to move if any one of the three sections were damaged, so their resilience is even more surprising.
    Radar is also credited for allowing train traffic to continue despite air raids, as the trains kept rolling until there were planes in the immediate area. Further, trains were not stopped for single aircraft, as the gain was seen as being worth the risk. Also, slave labor and other manpower was used to repair the damage from raids, allowing the lines to be rapidly reopened. Wolmar cites a raid on a railroad yard in Hamm as an example. It was hit by more than 1,300 bombs on April 22, 1944. Six thousand workers were used to get repairs underway, and the trains were rolling through the yard in less than 24 hours. Within six weeks the yard was back to nearly full capacity. If you combine this with the camouflage efforts to simulate damage to operational tracks, you can see that it was difficult to stop the trains.
    Wolmar does give some credit to the 1944 campaign to attack the railroads directly. He admits that damage was extensive, but says that the disruptions were more attributable to administrative problems than to the damage itself. He highlights the inability of the Allies to target viaducts and train tunnels until the rather late introduction of the "Tallboy" bombs.

    So, attacks on the railroads would have definitely raised the cost of transporting victims to concentration camps, but it may not have been able to bring the trains to a halt. German rail service was remarkably resilient to Allied bombing, and when damage did occur it was often repaired quickly.

     

    https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2vnzri/what_was_the_reasoning_against_allied_bombing_of/

    Very good. Completely agree. This argument gets trotted out repeatedly by people who know nothing about the history and efficacy of bombing. It is only with the recent advent of smart bombs that targets can be hit reliably, and railways are real easy to fix.

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  188. @Zach
    Has Trump allied himself with Spencer? Why couldn't these right-wingers have simply marched around with their torches and not had paid counter-protesters attack them?

    I agree they should not have been attacked.

    Yet even were there no confrontation at all, the question remains: how do Spencer’s actions help advance the Trump agenda?

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  189. Kylie says:

    The inevitable article by a smug, hectoring black woman.

    http://www.theroot.com/maybe-now-isn-t-the-time-guys-1797794284?utm_source=theroot_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

    Yes. It is all about us, conservative whites versus “progressive” whites. PoC are just the bone of contention as we whites argue over the nation that was founded by whites for whites.

    Stupid dusky narcissist will never understand that. Worse yet, she’ll never shut up, either.

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  190. grapesoda says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    One idea might be to do something like they did when creating the Euro. To avoid disputes about which landmarks to put on the bills, they put generic ones. Since all American historical figures are flawed, we can replace them with less offensive ones.

    Like Mickey Mouse… oh wait

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  191. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I noticed Ted Cruz is out now front and center “urging the Dept of Justice to investigate this act of Domestic Terrorism”. Wonder how much immediate need to urge the Dept of Justice he felt when actual terrorism was occurring in Orlando, San Bernadino, Ohio, Garland, NYC, Boston, etc.

    Violence may not be the answer, but why is it allowed against those who came to peacefully protest their history being erased? Would it be acceptable for skinheads to attack blacks if they peacefully came to protest a removal of MLK Jr statue in DC? And if one did get riled up by the way they were being treated and attacked back, would we be hearing Ted Cruz condemning it?

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  192. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Opinionator
    What if his collision with the crowd resulted from acceleration after his car was attacked by the mob with bats and pipes?

    “What if his collision with the crowd resulted from acceleration after his car was attacked by the mob with bats and pipes?”

    At the very least we know the group he was in was subjected to people hurling bottles, urine, etc. at him, trying to mace him, punching at him; and the police stood back and let it happen, when they came to peacefully protest removal over the Lee statue. And in the end, the government denied them that basic civil right. There is a good chance he was similarly attacked on his way to his car, that his car was defaced and as you point out, given the usual antics of these ‘Antifa’ its quite likely even in the car he was attacked.

    It’s only leftist doublespeak that we call these leftists anti-facists, and the anti-racists. They are the facists and racists.

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  193. Mr. Anon says:
    @AndrewR
    Why are you on this site?

    Why are you on this site?

    I post much better comments than you, and I’ve been posting here for twelve years, you pissant little creep. F**k off.

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    I post much better comments than you,
     
    If you do say so yourself.

    and I’ve been posting here for twelve years
     
    Twelve LONG years, brother.
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  194. Mr. Anon says:
    @27 year old
    >She is still an innocent victim who did not deserve to die.

    Thought experiment:

    Would the dead antifa say the same if it was an alt-righter that got killed?

    You're losing with dignity.

    The girl was a committed enemy, who hated you and your kids just for existing and she killed due to her own stupid criminal activity.

    Would the dead antifa say the same if it was an alt-righter that got killed?

    I don’t know. You don’t either.

    You’re losing with dignity.

    You think you’re winning with this display?

    The girl was a committed enemy, who hated you and your kids just for existing and she killed due to her own stupid criminal activity.

    She was a young liberal woman, who believes a lot of the crap that young liberal women do – probably a lot of the same crap that your female relatives believe. You have no idea whether or not she would have been as indifferent to your death as you seem to be to hers.

    Thanks for clearing up any uncertainty I had. You’re a dimwit, and I can safely ignore anything you say in future.

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    You think you’re winning with this display?
     
    And I ask do you think you’re winning with this display?

    You have no idea whether or not she would have been as indifferent to your death as you seem to be to hers.
     
    My take was "27 year old" wasn't implying she would be indifferent to your death rather she would exalt in it. He's right.
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  195. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous
    Roosevelt refused to bomb Auschwitz even though he know what was going on there. This came out in the 1990s and permanently soured Jewish attitudes towards him.

    “Roosevelt refused to bomb Auschwitz even though he know what was going on there. This came out in the 1990s and permanently soured Jewish attitudes towards him.”

    How is bombing Auschwitz supposed to help? So that the prisoners could be mercifully blown to bits by high-explosives, instead of being mercilessly gassed or worked to death? Do you know how many collateral casualties were involved in “precision bombing” at that time?

    To get an idea how useful an airforce is in saving people on the ground, consider this incident from late in the war:

    Operation Carthage

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  196. Mr. Anon says:
    @Opinionator
    Are any of those things crimes?

    Unlawful assembly? Rioting? Conspiracy to violate civil rights of free expression and assembly? Being part of a mob that had blocked off a public thoroughfare? Assault?

    Unlawful assembly? Rioting? Conspiracy to violate civil rights of free expression and assembly? Being part of a mob that had blocked off a public thoroughfare? Assault?

    You don’t know if she was guilty of any of those things.

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    There are reasonable probabilities she had engaged in several. What evidence do you have that she ddn't.
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  197. Mr. Anon says:
    @27 year old
    >She is still an innocent victim who did not deserve to die.

    Thought experiment:

    Would the dead antifa say the same if it was an alt-righter that got killed?

    You're losing with dignity.

    The girl was a committed enemy, who hated you and your kids just for existing and she killed due to her own stupid criminal activity.

    Thanks for clearing up any uncertainty I had. You’re a dimwit, and I can safely ignore anything you say in future.

    My apologies. I thought you were AndrewR, and that last comment was meant for him, not you.

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    I'm sorry to have triggered you.

    If I am a dimwit then virtually everyone is. And I doubt you'd make the non-dimwit cut.

    I never said she deserved to die. Nor, unlike "27 year old", do I assume she was a bad person. But she was part of an illegal protest in which many people were carrying weapons (which, instead of helping the victims, they did not at all hesitate to use on the car after the crash). And as I've pointed out, it seems the accused murderer only accelerated after his car was struck by a violent communist, and presumably he was in reasonable fear for his life and reacted in a manner that ended in death and injury.

    But if you lay with dogs, you may get fleas. Simple cause and effect. My sympathy for her only extends to the extent that she can reasonably be said to have been unaware of the malicious nature of the crowd she was in.
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  198. Mr. Anon says:
    @Stacy235l
    Looks like some folks looking for trouble found it.

    Who do you think was looking for trouble? The legal protest was just trying to stop a statue of Lee from being removed from Lee park.

    Who do you think was looking for trouble? The legal protest was just trying to stop a statue of Lee from being removed from Lee park.

    The legal protest was trying to do a lot more than that. The removal of the statue was just a pretext for their assembly. It was however (as you point out) quite legal. It seems that the governor and the mayor shut it down in such a way as to all but ensure a riot. I think Mcauliffe got what we wanted out of the affair.

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    The legal protest was trying to do a lot more than that.

    Such as?
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  199. anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @Mr. Anon

    Why are you on this site?
     
    I post much better comments than you, and I've been posting here for twelve years, you pissant little creep. F**k off.

    I post much better comments than you,

    If you do say so yourself.

    and I’ve been posting here for twelve years

    Twelve LONG years, brother.

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    If you do say so yourself.
     
    Well, several of my suggestions and quotes have been featured by Steve. I don't remember anything of note posted by the completely anonymous poster known as "anonymous".
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  200. anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @Mr. Anon

    Would the dead antifa say the same if it was an alt-righter that got killed?
     
    I don't know. You don't either.


    You’re losing with dignity.
     
    You think you're winning with this display?

    The girl was a committed enemy, who hated you and your kids just for existing and she killed due to her own stupid criminal activity.
     
    She was a young liberal woman, who believes a lot of the crap that young liberal women do - probably a lot of the same crap that your female relatives believe. You have no idea whether or not she would have been as indifferent to your death as you seem to be to hers.

    Thanks for clearing up any uncertainty I had. You're a dimwit, and I can safely ignore anything you say in future.

    You think you’re winning with this display?

    And I ask do you think you’re winning with this display?

    You have no idea whether or not she would have been as indifferent to your death as you seem to be to hers.

    My take was “27 year old” wasn’t implying she would be indifferent to your death rather she would exalt in it. He’s right.

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    My take was “27 year old” wasn’t implying she would be indifferent to your death rather she would exalt in it. He’s right.
     
    No, he doesn't know that either.
    , @Mr. Anon

    And I ask do you think you’re winning with this display?
     
    I''m not trying to "win" anything. I'm just not making excuses for a maniac who ran down 20 people with a car, as you and a few other people here seem to be doing. If you think that's a winning argument, then you have a very Charlie-Sheen-esque notion of what "winning" is.
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  201. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anon
    There’s no self-hate involved. SJWs are religious cultists. They are the Elect, they are Saved. They’re demonstrating their superior virtue. It’s a kind of religious narcissism, not dissimilar to many Protestant sects. They hate sinners, which means anyone who disagrees with them. Because anyone who disagrees with them is denying Revealed Truth and must be not merely wrong but Evil.

    1. Antifa are SJW but most SJW are not antifa. Antifa are especially pathological subgroup among SJW. Ivy Leagues are filled with SJW's but they are not antifa. Antifa tend to be anarcho-syndicalist and grunge-punk. They are mostly bottom-feeders. Some are better-educated and hold university jobs but at lesser colleges.

    2. SJW sense of superior virtue is predicated on self-hate. They feel 'saved' and superior because they are whites who atone for 'white guilt'. The are confessed sinners who hate un-confessed sinners who won't admit to their 'white sin'.

    2. SJW sense of superior virtue is predicated on self-hate. They feel ‘saved’ and superior because they are whites who atone for ‘white guilt’. The are confessed sinners who hate un-confessed sinners who won’t admit to their ‘white sin’.

    But they’re atoning for the ‘white guilt’ of other whites. The badwhites. They don’t have any guilt to atone for because they’re goodwhites.

    It’s convenient because it gives them a moral justification for their hatred of poor and working-class whites.

    Never underestimate the degree of class hatred driving the SJWs.

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    You'll be surprised. I grew up knowing one of those SJW women and she told me about how she would go into sessions of guilt for the "white guilt" of hating herself. It felt very much like Catholic guilt - the self-questioning, the sense that she wasn't doing enough, and yet somehow self-justifying because at least she is superior to those worthless badwhites.

    It was all pretty disturbing.
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  202. @Steve Sailer
    Chrissie Hynde's taste in men was rather broad: from motorcycle gangs to Sir Ray Davies ...

    Hynde also wrote the theme to The Rush Limbaugh Show, although not for that purpose

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  203. @Mr. Anon

    Unlawful assembly? Rioting? Conspiracy to violate civil rights of free expression and assembly? Being part of a mob that had blocked off a public thoroughfare? Assault?
     
    You don't know if she was guilty of any of those things.

    There are reasonable probabilities she had engaged in several. What evidence do you have that she ddn’t.

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    There are reasonable probabilities she had engaged in several. What evidence do you have that she ddn’t.
     
    I've never been impressed with what you consider to be "reasonable". You're the Opinionator - I only expect opinions from you, not reason.
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  204. @Mr. Anon

    Who do you think was looking for trouble? The legal protest was just trying to stop a statue of Lee from being removed from Lee park.
     
    The legal protest was trying to do a lot more than that. The removal of the statue was just a pretext for their assembly. It was however (as you point out) quite legal. It seems that the governor and the mayor shut it down in such a way as to all but ensure a riot. I think Mcauliffe got what we wanted out of the affair.

    The legal protest was trying to do a lot more than that.

    Such as?

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    Such as?
     
    Establish a physical presence and gain visibility for their movement.
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    What evidence do you have that she didn’t.

    At this point I expect Mr. Anon is going to … blah, blah, blah … prove a negative … blah, blah, blah … you’re a big stupid-head …

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  206. Mr. Anon says:
    @anonymous

    You think you’re winning with this display?
     
    And I ask do you think you’re winning with this display?

    You have no idea whether or not she would have been as indifferent to your death as you seem to be to hers.
     
    My take was "27 year old" wasn't implying she would be indifferent to your death rather she would exalt in it. He's right.

    My take was “27 year old” wasn’t implying she would be indifferent to your death rather she would exalt in it. He’s right.

    No, he doesn’t know that either.

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  207. Mr. Anon says:
    @anonymous

    I post much better comments than you,
     
    If you do say so yourself.

    and I’ve been posting here for twelve years
     
    Twelve LONG years, brother.

    If you do say so yourself.

    Well, several of my suggestions and quotes have been featured by Steve. I don’t remember anything of note posted by the completely anonymous poster known as “anonymous”.

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  208. Mr. Anon says:
    @Opinionator
    The legal protest was trying to do a lot more than that.

    Such as?

    Such as?

    Establish a physical presence and gain visibility for their movement.

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    Establish a physical presence

    You keep insinuating that the pro-Lee statue protesters were intent on violence. In reality, despite the fact that they were attacked by wave after wave of lunatics, were maced, had acid thrown on them, and were even attacked with homemade flamethrowers not a single one of them used a gun to defend themselves. Many of the were armed with guns, yet not one single shot did they fire at their attackers.

    Are you familiar with the term Defamation?
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  209. Mr. Anon says:
    @Opinionator
    There are reasonable probabilities she had engaged in several. What evidence do you have that she ddn't.

    There are reasonable probabilities she had engaged in several. What evidence do you have that she ddn’t.

    I’ve never been impressed with what you consider to be “reasonable”. You’re the Opinionator – I only expect opinions from you, not reason.

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  210. Mr. Anon says:
    @anonymous

    You think you’re winning with this display?
     
    And I ask do you think you’re winning with this display?

    You have no idea whether or not she would have been as indifferent to your death as you seem to be to hers.
     
    My take was "27 year old" wasn't implying she would be indifferent to your death rather she would exalt in it. He's right.

    And I ask do you think you’re winning with this display?

    I”m not trying to “win” anything. I’m just not making excuses for a maniac who ran down 20 people with a car, as you and a few other people here seem to be doing. If you think that’s a winning argument, then you have a very Charlie-Sheen-esque notion of what “winning” is.

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  211. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I”m not trying to “win” anything

    That explains it then.

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    That explains it then.
     
    No, I'm not trying to win an argument with a fool like you, anymore than I would try to win an argument with a turtle.
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  212. @dfordoom

    2. SJW sense of superior virtue is predicated on self-hate. They feel ‘saved’ and superior because they are whites who atone for ‘white guilt’. The are confessed sinners who hate un-confessed sinners who won’t admit to their ‘white sin’.
     
    But they're atoning for the ‘white guilt’ of other whites. The badwhites. They don't have any guilt to atone for because they're goodwhites.

    It's convenient because it gives them a moral justification for their hatred of poor and working-class whites.

    Never underestimate the degree of class hatred driving the SJWs.

    You’ll be surprised. I grew up knowing one of those SJW women and she told me about how she would go into sessions of guilt for the “white guilt” of hating herself. It felt very much like Catholic guilt – the self-questioning, the sense that she wasn’t doing enough, and yet somehow self-justifying because at least she is superior to those worthless badwhites.

    It was all pretty disturbing.

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  213. AndrewR says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Thanks for clearing up any uncertainty I had. You’re a dimwit, and I can safely ignore anything you say in future.
     
    My apologies. I thought you were AndrewR, and that last comment was meant for him, not you.

    I’m sorry to have triggered you.

    If I am a dimwit then virtually everyone is. And I doubt you’d make the non-dimwit cut.

    I never said she deserved to die. Nor, unlike “27 year old”, do I assume she was a bad person. But she was part of an illegal protest in which many people were carrying weapons (which, instead of helping the victims, they did not at all hesitate to use on the car after the crash). And as I’ve pointed out, it seems the accused murderer only accelerated after his car was struck by a violent communist, and presumably he was in reasonable fear for his life and reacted in a manner that ended in death and injury.

    But if you lay with dogs, you may get fleas. Simple cause and effect. My sympathy for her only extends to the extent that she can reasonably be said to have been unaware of the malicious nature of the crowd she was in.

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    "And as I’ve pointed out, it seems the accused murderer only accelerated after his car was struck by a violent communist, and presumably he was in reasonable fear for his life and reacted in a manner that ended in death and injury."

    Can you link to a video that shows that? Because I haven't seen any (and I have looked). I've seen posts where people say that, but nobody shows any proof of it. I think that account is likely wrong. Moreover, I think it is irrelevant. Just because his car was struck by someone (assuming it was) that is not an excuse to accelerate into a crowd of people and other cars.
    , @Corvinus
    'And as I’ve pointed out, it seems the accused murderer only accelerated after his car was struck by a violent communist, and presumably he was in reasonable fear for his life and reacted in a manner that ended in death and injury."

    It was a flag. A protestor used a flag and swung and missed at the car. The guy in the car saw the crowd ahead. Rather than stop, go back, and find a different route, he proceeded forward. Certainly there is culpability on the part of the protestor who used an object in an effort to that car. But ultimately the responsibility lies with the driver.
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  214. Mr. Anon says:
    @anonymous

    I”m not trying to “win” anything
     
    That explains it then.

    That explains it then.

    No, I’m not trying to win an argument with a fool like you, anymore than I would try to win an argument with a turtle.

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  215. Stacy235l says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Such as?
     
    Establish a physical presence and gain visibility for their movement.

    Establish a physical presence

    You keep insinuating that the pro-Lee statue protesters were intent on violence. In reality, despite the fact that they were attacked by wave after wave of lunatics, were maced, had acid thrown on them, and were even attacked with homemade flamethrowers not a single one of them used a gun to defend themselves. Many of the were armed with guns, yet not one single shot did they fire at their attackers.

    Are you familiar with the term Defamation?

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  216. Stacy235l says:
    @Anon7
    I agree with your points. I am particularly interested in this comment that you made, to bring it back to the discussion about the Charlottesville statue.

    "Seems to me that if we truly want to start digging into this, someone naughty who knows their past..."

    So, who exactly was it that put up these offensive Confederate statues all across the south? I wonder how many people remember what the "Solid South" means. It refers to the fact that from the end of reconstruction until the civil rights legislation of 1965 Democrats controlled the south politically. They are the ones to disenfranchise blacks, they're the ones who instituted Jim Crow laws. They are the ones who put up the statues.

    Do you think that it's a coincidence that Democrats are constantly trying to point away from themselves during this period of conflict? Do you think it's a coincidence that they're pointing at Donald Trump and shouting racist at him? They are the hypocrites here, and I guess I am no longer astonished that the national media does absolutely nothing to point it out.

    So, who exactly was it that put up these offensive Confederate statues all across the south? I wonder how many people remember what the “Solid South” means. It refers to the fact that from the end of reconstruction until the civil rights legislation of 1965 Democrats controlled the south politically. They are the ones to disenfranchise blacks, they’re the ones who instituted Jim Crow laws. They are the ones who put up the statues.

    So, you mean to tell me that we southern whites used to work toward our own interest? The horror.

    This tactic of throwing the South under the bus has been used endlessly by republicans. It even has a name “The Democrats are the Real Racist”. It has never worked. Not once. It’s never worked because it’s bullsh*t. Those people aren’t democrats anymore. If you’re offended by southern history/culture/statues, then you need a history, or for that matter a present lesson. You’re spitting in the face of an awful lot of folks that are actually on your side. You’re p*ssing on the graves of good people who did what they had to do to protect their families and maintain civilization.

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  217. @res
    A link to the cartoon (good memory): http://www.vdare.com/posts/reparations-cartoon-1971-obviously-a-case-of-mistaken-identity-whoever-oppressed-you-for-400-years

    Thanks! I may have the clothes wrong – or it could be a slightly different cartoon – but I will keep this link! Priceless!!

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  218. Mr. Anon says:
    @AndrewR
    I'm sorry to have triggered you.

    If I am a dimwit then virtually everyone is. And I doubt you'd make the non-dimwit cut.

    I never said she deserved to die. Nor, unlike "27 year old", do I assume she was a bad person. But she was part of an illegal protest in which many people were carrying weapons (which, instead of helping the victims, they did not at all hesitate to use on the car after the crash). And as I've pointed out, it seems the accused murderer only accelerated after his car was struck by a violent communist, and presumably he was in reasonable fear for his life and reacted in a manner that ended in death and injury.

    But if you lay with dogs, you may get fleas. Simple cause and effect. My sympathy for her only extends to the extent that she can reasonably be said to have been unaware of the malicious nature of the crowd she was in.

    “And as I’ve pointed out, it seems the accused murderer only accelerated after his car was struck by a violent communist, and presumably he was in reasonable fear for his life and reacted in a manner that ended in death and injury.”

    Can you link to a video that shows that? Because I haven’t seen any (and I have looked). I’ve seen posts where people say that, but nobody shows any proof of it. I think that account is likely wrong. Moreover, I think it is irrelevant. Just because his car was struck by someone (assuming it was) that is not an excuse to accelerate into a crowd of people and other cars.

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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=21FwobI-FI4

    I'm not saying he is definitely blameless but the murder charge is horrific. Its George Zimmerman 2.0.
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  219. @Wulf

    It’s Aryan Brotherhood branding, so to speak. It scares the rubes and, as Zman eloquently stated, it powerfully signals in-group status to those who get the joke and alienates those who don’t, forcing anyone within view to take a side.
     
    AB and KKK branding helping the alt-right's cause? AB and KKK thugs and other knuckleheads "supporting" the resistance and forcing anyone to take a side (which, when talking about decent and reasonable people, always is the opposite) huh?

    Get a grip fool. This no bueno. The alt-right has lost the PR battle you clown.

    I wasn’t trying to endorse Reich-chic as a marketing strategy, just pointing out the inductive truth that if a given square rejects the movement as crazy beyond the pale at Nazi level = 1, they aren’t going to lose sleep over their long-ago-taken decision at Nazi level = 5.

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  220. BB753 says:

    The next step is to dig up the bodies of Confederate generals. They already tried to do that 2 years ago.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173456/Vigilante-protesters-start-DIGGING-body-Confederate-general-Nathan-Forrest-KKK-leader-grave.html

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  221. AndrewR says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "And as I’ve pointed out, it seems the accused murderer only accelerated after his car was struck by a violent communist, and presumably he was in reasonable fear for his life and reacted in a manner that ended in death and injury."

    Can you link to a video that shows that? Because I haven't seen any (and I have looked). I've seen posts where people say that, but nobody shows any proof of it. I think that account is likely wrong. Moreover, I think it is irrelevant. Just because his car was struck by someone (assuming it was) that is not an excuse to accelerate into a crowd of people and other cars.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=21FwobI-FI4

    I’m not saying he is definitely blameless but the murder charge is horrific. Its George Zimmerman 2.0.

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  222. Uncle Dan says:
    @SWVirginian
    Funny as in odd.

    I was at a fund-raiser this week for a local museum when the issue of removing the statues in Richmond and Charlottesville came up. One person was adamantly against removal, and I agreed, adding that it wouldn't stop with Lee and Jackson. Washington and Jefferson and who knows who will be next because they owned slaves.

    Back in the 70's there was a really droll cartoon I saw in a magazine - maybe Playboy. It's an upscale cocktail party, maybe with academics, and folks are standing around in groups talking. One group is a white guy dressed fashionably in slacks and a sweater, drink in hand, smile on face. He's taking to a black guy in full African regalia of the time, drink in hand, scowl on face.

    The white guy is saying, "Well, anybody who's been oppressing you for 400 years would have to be older than I am!"

    Exactly.

    That Afro’s ancestor’s oppression is the reason he is an American, not an African. For this he should be grateful. I certainly am grateful that I am American, not Russian, and I thank those 1900 Russians for encouraging my ancestors to make the perilous voyage. History is funny that way.

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    That Afro’s ancestor’s oppression is the reason he is an American, not an African. For this he should be grateful. I certainly am grateful that I am American, not Russian, and I thank those 1900 Russians for encouraging my ancestors to make the perilous voyage. History is funny that way.
     
    We should all be grateful we were born in America, blacks included and I mean every single one of them. Too many of them are stupid ingrates, always complaining. At least their vanguard is. Their leaders are.
    If often occurs to me that today's complaining blacks are living off the dues their forefathers paid via slavery and other hard labor. What dues are the great mass of blacks paying when you lump them together? They are not. Lumped together they take more from society and government treasuries than they contribute. They are a drag and a net drain and many are proud of this, feeling they are owed. Their thinking is, "America was built on slavery (a lie btw), therefor I am entitled to take and take via the taxes other pay". Reality is that all our ancestors labored hard to build America and fought and died in its wars. White America was so strong, with such large families during WW2 that blacks were not much needed in that war. They were allowed to participate in limited ways. Hardly any were in the front lines were they could be killed or injured.
    It was whites dying for America in WW2.
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  223. Nick Diaz says:

    How nice of you, Sailer, to support maintaining a statue of a man that fought to uphold a system where human beings were sold and kept like animals. And you are making a false equivalency between Robert E.Lee and Thomas Jefferson. One was a supporter of slavery and a feudalistic social organization, while the other was a luminary of the Enlightnment. These two men had literally nothing in common. Therefore, tearing down a statue of Robert E;Lee is a political statement that isnot in any way analogous to doing the same with a statue of Jefferson.

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  224. Clyde says:
    @Uncle Dan
    That Afro's ancestor's oppression is the reason he is an American, not an African. For this he should be grateful. I certainly am grateful that I am American, not Russian, and I thank those 1900 Russians for encouraging my ancestors to make the perilous voyage. History is funny that way.

    That Afro’s ancestor’s oppression is the reason he is an American, not an African. For this he should be grateful. I certainly am grateful that I am American, not Russian, and I thank those 1900 Russians for encouraging my ancestors to make the perilous voyage. History is funny that way.

    We should all be grateful we were born in America, blacks included and I mean every single one of them. Too many of them are stupid ingrates, always complaining. At least their vanguard is. Their leaders are.
    If often occurs to me that today’s complaining blacks are living off the dues their forefathers paid via slavery and other hard labor. What dues are the great mass of blacks paying when you lump them together? They are not. Lumped together they take more from society and government treasuries than they contribute. They are a drag and a net drain and many are proud of this, feeling they are owed. Their thinking is, “America was built on slavery (a lie btw), therefor I am entitled to take and take via the taxes other pay”. Reality is that all our ancestors labored hard to build America and fought and died in its wars. White America was so strong, with such large families during WW2 that blacks were not much needed in that war. They were allowed to participate in limited ways. Hardly any were in the front lines were they could be killed or injured.
    It was whites dying for America in WW2.

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  225. @The Anti-Gnostic
    That is where we are trending. It was fun while it lasted.

    Walker Percy:

    “Undoubtedly something is about to happen. Or is it that something has stopped happening? Is it that God has at last removed his blessing from the U.S.A. and what we feel now is just the clank of the old historical machinery, the sudden jerking ahead of the roller-coaster cars as the chain catches hold and carries us back into history with its ordinary catastrophes, carries us out and up toward the brink from that felicitous and privileged siding where even unbelievers admitted that if it was not God who blessed the U.S.A., then at least some great good luck had befallen us, and that now the blessing or the luck is over, the machinery clanks, the chain catches hold, and the cars jerk forward?….

    The poor U.S.A.!

    Even now, late as it is, nobody can really believe that it didn’t work after all. The U.S.A. didn’t work! Is it even possible that from the beginning it never did work? That the thing always had a flaw in it, a place where it would shear, and that all this time we were not really different from Ecuador and Bosnia-Herzegovina, just richer….

    Bad as we were there was no one else, and everybody knew it, even our enemies, and that is why they curse us. Who curses the Chinese? Who ever imagined the Chinese were blessed by God and asked to save the world? Who ever expected anything else from them than what they did? What a laugh. And as for Russia and the Russian Christ who was going to save Europe from itself: ha ha.

    Flunked! Christendom down the drain. The dream over. Back to history and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

    It is still not too late. I can save you, America! I know something! I know what is wrong! I hit on something, made a breakthrough, came on a discovery! I can save the terrible God-blessed Americans from themselves! With my invention! Listen to me. Don’t give up. It is not too late. You are still the last hope. There is no one else. Bad as we are, there is no one else.”

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    From Walker Percy's Love Among the Ruins.

    What was the invention, anyway? I've forgotten.

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  226. @Bumbling American
    Walker Percy:

    "Undoubtedly something is about to happen. Or is it that something has stopped happening? Is it that God has at last removed his blessing from the U.S.A. and what we feel now is just the clank of the old historical machinery, the sudden jerking ahead of the roller-coaster cars as the chain catches hold and carries us back into history with its ordinary catastrophes, carries us out and up toward the brink from that felicitous and privileged siding where even unbelievers admitted that if it was not God who blessed the U.S.A., then at least some great good luck had befallen us, and that now the blessing or the luck is over, the machinery clanks, the chain catches hold, and the cars jerk forward?....

    The poor U.S.A.!

    Even now, late as it is, nobody can really believe that it didn’t work after all. The U.S.A. didn’t work! Is it even possible that from the beginning it never did work? That the thing always had a flaw in it, a place where it would shear, and that all this time we were not really different from Ecuador and Bosnia-Herzegovina, just richer....

    Bad as we were there was no one else, and everybody knew it, even our enemies, and that is why they curse us. Who curses the Chinese? Who ever imagined the Chinese were blessed by God and asked to save the world? Who ever expected anything else from them than what they did? What a laugh. And as for Russia and the Russian Christ who was going to save Europe from itself: ha ha.

    Flunked! Christendom down the drain. The dream over. Back to history and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

    It is still not too late. I can save you, America! I know something! I know what is wrong! I hit on something, made a breakthrough, came on a discovery! I can save the terrible God-blessed Americans from themselves! With my invention! Listen to me. Don’t give up. It is not too late. You are still the last hope. There is no one else. Bad as we are, there is no one else."

    From Walker Percy’s Love Among the Ruins.

    What was the invention, anyway? I’ve forgotten.

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    A device that (iirc) measures and can alter activity in the brain to affect people's moods
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  227. @Steve Sailer
    From Walker Percy's Love Among the Ruins.

    What was the invention, anyway? I've forgotten.

    A device that (iirc) measures and can alter activity in the brain to affect people’s moods

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    In a dream, Benjamin Franklin appears and tells you, "In a lot of ways, we really were just making it up as we went along."
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  228. @Bumbling American
    A device that (iirc) measures and can alter activity in the brain to affect people's moods

    In a dream, Benjamin Franklin appears and tells you, “In a lot of ways, we really were just making it up as we went along.”

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    A republic, if you can keep it--LOSERS *high-fives John Adams*
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  229. Corvinus says:
    @AndrewR
    I'm sorry to have triggered you.

    If I am a dimwit then virtually everyone is. And I doubt you'd make the non-dimwit cut.

    I never said she deserved to die. Nor, unlike "27 year old", do I assume she was a bad person. But she was part of an illegal protest in which many people were carrying weapons (which, instead of helping the victims, they did not at all hesitate to use on the car after the crash). And as I've pointed out, it seems the accused murderer only accelerated after his car was struck by a violent communist, and presumably he was in reasonable fear for his life and reacted in a manner that ended in death and injury.

    But if you lay with dogs, you may get fleas. Simple cause and effect. My sympathy for her only extends to the extent that she can reasonably be said to have been unaware of the malicious nature of the crowd she was in.

    ‘And as I’ve pointed out, it seems the accused murderer only accelerated after his car was struck by a violent communist, and presumably he was in reasonable fear for his life and reacted in a manner that ended in death and injury.”

    It was a flag. A protestor used a flag and swung and missed at the car. The guy in the car saw the crowd ahead. Rather than stop, go back, and find a different route, he proceeded forward. Certainly there is culpability on the part of the protestor who used an object in an effort to that car. But ultimately the responsibility lies with the driver.

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  230. @The Anti-Gnostic
    In a dream, Benjamin Franklin appears and tells you, "In a lot of ways, we really were just making it up as we went along."

    A republic, if you can keep it–LOSERS *high-fives John Adams*

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