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None of the packages mailed by Cesar Sayoc, the male stripper steroid addict Trump supporter who lived in his van down by the river, have yet gone off. But even if none ever do or ever would have, it’s still a very bad thing to terrify mailroom minions with something that looks like a bomb, even if it is unlikely to explode due to your intent or ineptitude. Similarly, disassembling a clock and putting it in a case to take to school where it, unsurprisingly, sets off a bomb scare is unlikely to get you invited to the White House and celebrated as a wunderkind, at least not under the current Administration.

Anyway, Cesar Sayoc got me thinking about another half Filipino – half Italian in Florida’s often head-scratching history, Andrew Cunanan, a gay rent boy and drug dealer who went on a 1997 murder spree travelling cross country to kill five men, culminating with his shooting of famous gay fashion designer Gianni Versace.

Sure, enough, there was a new TV program about Cunanan this year, and sure enough, there was an article by Slate staffer Inkoo Kang, who is like Sarah Jeong but permanently stuck at that time of the month, complaining that while, sure, all the brutal homophobia suffered by Cunanan and Versace at the hands of society was adequately portrayed in the TV series, but where is all the white racism against half-Filipinos that the murderer no doubt endured?

The Deracination of Andrew Cunanan

Why is The Assassination of Gianni Versace interested in its protagonist’s sexuality but not his race?
By INKOO KANG, JAN 19, 2018 9:00 AM

You finally need two hands to count all the current TV shows with Asian American protagonists.

… So it’s a bit strange, and off-putting, that the latest series with an Asian lead—one of the most anticipated shows of the year, it so happens—isn’t being described as such. In fact, its network—once a standard-bearer for prestige TV’s lack of diversity—is highlighting the drama’s focus on queerness and homophobia—and by doing so largely erasing its main character’s racial identity, especially in the first half of his story.

The Assassination of Gianni Versace: American Crime Story isn’t about the titular victim but his killer: Andrew Cunanan, a San Diego native born to a Filipino father and an Italian American mother. … But Smith’s description could also be turned on The Assassination of Gianni Versace, which is a white writer’s dramatization of another white writer’s interpretation. …

The show’s Andrew, played by Darren Criss, does mention his father’s plantation in the Philippines early on. But between his pathological lying and that country’s colonial past, his race isn’t confirmed till about midway through the nine-hour season. A few character details here and there suggest Andrew’s racial self-hatred and the prevalence of anti-Asian racism within the gay community, but the relative sparseness of these implications is all the more noteworthy in contrast with the richly developed portrait of the decade’s homophobia.

In casting Glee’s Criss (who played Blaine Anderson), Ryan Murphy hired a half-Filipino (if white-passing) actor to play the half-Filipino role of Andrew Cunanan. …

If The Assassination of Gianni Versace feels urgent as it revisits the stifling homophobia of the ’90s, it’s far less successful in reimagining Cunanan from a racialized point of view, at least in the first eight episodes. … It’s certainly not as if those racial and ethnic depictions of Cunanan don’t exist. In his analysis of the divergent foci of the mainstream American and Filipino American media narratives about Cunanan, scholar Allan Punzalan Isaac notes that the former wagged its tongue about his “deviant” sexuality (Tom Brokaw infamously referred to the killer as a “homicidal homosexual”),

Is Tom Brokaw dead yet? If not, how long must we be forced to wait until we can dig up Brokaw’s remains and scatter his bones for the infamous crime of referring to Andrew Cunanan as a “homicidal homosexual”?

… The pleasure, perhaps, is easier to grasp when you’re part of a group whose presence and history are constantly made invisible by the larger American culture. “Perhaps [the Filipino American fascination with Cunanan] stemmed from a longing to be reflected in the small screen in this American media sensation,” Isaac wrote several years after Cunanan’s death. Filipinos preferred participation, he conjectures, in “any American drama, even for the wrong reasons.”

Nearly all of the eight Filipino American scholars, activists, and advocates I talked to for this story say that Cunanan has fallen out of popular Filipino American lore, just as he’s been forgotten by American pop culture until now. Professor Christine Bacareza Balance told me in an email interview that when she polled 40 or so students in a recent Filipino American Studies course, only one or two knew who Cunanan was. But among gay Filipino Americans, he remains something of a cult figure and for a few Filipino American writers, a literary muse.

On the bright side, Cesar Sayoc, you have an undying future to look forward to in Pinoy-American Grievance Studies programs.

Isaac begins his seminal book about Filipino American identity, American Tropics, with a meditation on Cunanan’s incarnation of many of the concepts central to his subject: the possibility of “assimilation gone wrong,” the fear of rejection and the eagerness to belong, the embodiment of Filipino/American “mestizo” beauty standards, the corresponding ethnic ambiguity. …

It’s important to remember that Cunanan murdered five people, apparently in cold blood. His victims deserve to be mourned. But in the absence of other well-known personages (or the inconspicuousness of many successful celebrities’—e.g., Bruno Mars’— Filipino-ness,), it’s perhaps inevitable that some Filipino Americans see or project certain facets of themselves in one of the very few Filipino Americans to appear on TV and on page 1, especially during that era. Ben de Guzman, a policy advocate in D.C., saw Cunanan on the news and thought, There but for the grace of God go I. “As a young, gay Filipino American man who was around his age when he was in the news,” de Guzman recalls via email, “I was forced to look at how the same forces of homophobia and racism that informed my life must have affected him too.”

The former party boy and escort remains a symbol of queer defiance for some in the gay Filipino American community. “Here was a gay Filipino man who seemed unapologetic and daring in his acceptance of his sexuality,” says Ocampo. “In this, he seemed to exude a self-possession that many people struggle with.” Balance says that the image of Cunanan as a “queer Asian/Filipino American on the warpath” “truly goes against many dominant representations within ‘mainstream’ U.S. media.” …

… But created from Filipino American perspectives, they explore the aspects of Cunanan’s life that white America still isn’t fully grappling with.

So, Sayoc, burnish your intersectional credentials now! Don’t claim you were an exclusively heterosexual male stripper. Drop some hints that if, in your younger years the money on offer was a little too good, you’d explore other aspects of your identity. This is your chance to live forever as a Grievance Studies icon and have Slate run essays in two decades about how we need to have a conversation about how Hollywood hasn’t adequately illustrated your intersectionalness.

 
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  1. Bubba says:

    It’s just a matter of time before Cunanan’s ashes will be interred at the National Cathedral in DC.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  2. Did Robert Bowers use steroids?

  3. Tiny Duck says:

    Under Trump we have witnessed the worst anti Semitic attack in US history

    That tells you something right there

    This is why I and any other person with a heart and brain will be voting straight ticket democrat

    Prepare for the blue wave you murderers

  4. Frank G says:

    This guy is so obviously nutty that it’s not crazy to think this actually was a long-con operation designed to hurt Trump/the GOP at just the right moment. I mean, it’s not hard to take pictures of yourself at a couple Trump rallies.

  5. J.Ross says: • Website

    >pinoy studies
    Requires Pinoy students.

    • Replies: @Marty
  6. Lugash says:

    The documentary “Fashion Victim: The Killing of Gianni Versace” is interesting to watch as well. Various normally PC associates of Versace real talk about what Cunanan was: an aging, narcissistic, meth addicted rent-boy.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  7. Jefferson says:

    The actor who plays Andrew Cunanan which is Darren Criss looks Mediterranean phenotype wise, he does not look Filipino, he looks like he could be part of Gyp Rosetti’s Italian crew in Boardwalk Empire.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @AndrewR
  8. @Tiny Duck

    I thought you were a Canadian citizen, Duck …

    • Replies: @tyrone
    , @Reg Cæsar
  9. 36 ulster says:
    @Tiny Duck

    He’s back!!! Thank you for sharing it , Tiny; your meta-comments are no doubt appreciated by legions of us–if legions can be defined in the single digits.

  10. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:

    Anyone know how he pronounced his first name? The media is pronouncing it See-zer, but I wonder if this is an attempt to “whiten” him.

  11. Bubba says:
    @Tiny Duck

    You don’t have a heart nor a brain. But please vote “straight ticket democrat.”

  12. Tyrion 2 says:

    I’m so confused. I must have had a heavy weekend. I read that article and it seemed to me like the gay half-Philipino bloke had done something good. Then I re-read the beginning and he is famous for being a murderer and nothing else.

    Great find but it is too weird for me. My brain has crashed trying to understand how the journalist thought she could possibly be making sense. Mass murder as the ultimate hip transgression?

    • Agree: bomag
  13. The former party boy and escort remains a symbol of queer defiance for some in the gay Filipino American community. “Here was a gay Filipino man who seemed unapologetic and daring in his acceptance of his sexuality,” says Ocampo. “In this, he seemed to exude a self-possession that many people struggle with.” Balance says that the image of Cunanan as a “queer Asian/Filipino American on the warpath” “truly goes against many dominant representations within ‘mainstream’ U.S. media.” …

    Cunanan first became a national news story after he brutally murdered a prominent Chicago real estate developer by stabbing him with a screwdriver multiple times and then sawing his head off with a hacksaw. Real role model material.

    Who the hell would admire this guy?

    If you have to look up to Filipino celebrities, what about Lou Diamond Phillips or Kirk Hammett of Metallica?

  14. Big Cheef says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Former ufc champ Robbie Lawler is part Philippino.

  15. Art Deco says:

    Every word of it is drivel, but it made it past an editor at a publication founded by Michael Kinsley (who is fairly sensible, if not altogether a square shooter). This woman attended Smith College and UCLA, so she isn’t preternaturally unintelligent. Higher education trained her to be stupid in verbose ways.

    • Agree: vinteuil
    • Replies: @njguy73
  16. Three weeks ago, five letters containing a poorly concocted attempt at ricin were sent to Trump and Pentagon officials, but for some reason this was a one day story and not emblematic of our broken political system.

    The letters, like the most recent pipe bombs, were not actually dangerous and sent by what appears to be a mentally ill person.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  17. t says:

    Half Filipino Half Italian former linbacker Tedy Bruschi looks Mexican and always came across as one of the smarter and level head athletes.

  18. Art Deco says:

    “As a young, gay Filipino American man who was around his age when he was in the news,” de Guzman recalls via email, “I was forced to look at how the same forces of homophobia and racism that informed my life must have affected him too.”

    MBITRW, Cunanan was quite exhibitionistic about his homosexuality to his peers, something rather unusual among adolescents in 1985. Somehow, his mother and father did not get the word until some years later. (They were quite perturbed when he was nearing the end of high school that he had all this spending money of no known source). He was not an outcast in high school, but regarded as an amusing clown figure. Cunanan’s real problems were derived from astonishing hedonism conjoined to narcissism, conjoined to fantasy conjoined to an utter lack of discipline. He was briefly employed as a retail clerk at age 21, but otherwise had no employment history. He’d landed a berth at UC San Diego, but lasted only one semester. He was alienated from his family. His mad rampage at the end of his life was coincident in time with a confrontation with reality: he was out of money, out of moneyed friends, and gaining weight; unlike his chums Trail and Madson, he had no trade. And it’s a reasonable guess he killed Trail and Madson when he realized that neither would be taking him on as a kept man.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    , @Autochthon
  19. Art Deco says:

    If The Assassination of Gianni Versace feels urgent as it revisits the stifling homophobia of the ’90s,

    This woman was born in 1984. She’d know better if she weren’t a fanatic.

  20. Art Deco says:
    @Jefferson

    Cunanan past his mid-teens did not look the least bit Oriental.

    • Replies: @OP
  21. Jefferson says:

    Andrew Cunanan was among the minority of Gay Filipino men who decided to stay Cisgender instead of turning into a Ladyboy. Most Gay Filipino men transform into Ladyboys because most are extreme flaming fairies even by Western society LGTBQ standards. Not a lot of Rock Hudson bear types among Gay Filipinos.

  22. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Asians, by moving away from their own kind, seem to be deracinating themselves. They must be white preferist in how they vote with their feet.

  23. @Clifford Brown

    Actress Phoebe Cates is part Filipino. As is singer Enrique Iglesias.

  24. Marty says:
    @J.Ross

    No shortage at Cal-State Northridge.

  25. njguy73 says:

    the stifling homophobia of the ’90s

    Yes, and in 1995 this homophobic diatribe plagued us:

    I could post the 1993 Vanity Fair cover where k. d. lang gets her face “shaven” by Cindy Crawford, or the 1997 Time cover where Ellen came out…

    Let me guess. Inkoo Kang is still sore over the scene in Clueless where Murray tells Cher that the guy she likes in gay, but she’s too, well, clueless to figure it out.

    Murray: Your man Christian is a cake boy!

    Cher, Dionne: A what?

    Murray: He’s a disco-dancing, Oscar Wilde-reading, Streisand ticket-holding friend of Dorothy, know what I’m saying?

    Cher: Uh-uh, no way, not even!

    Murray: Yes, even; he’s gay!

    Dionne: He does like to shop, Cher. And the boy can dress.

    So yeah, it was major repression time.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @AndrewR
  26. njguy73 says:
    @Art Deco

    It’s important to remember that Cunanan murdered five people, apparently in cold blood. His victims deserve to be mourned.

    OK, that alone makes it worth it. If she could be that funny on purpose, she’d make us forget about every female comic who ever lived.

  27. @Jefferson

    And how do you know so much about “Gay Filipino men”?

  28. @PiltdownMan

    Phoebe Cates had one ethnic Chinese parent who was born in the Philippines, so not actually a Filipina. The other three were Ashkenazic.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  29. TheBoom says:
    @Jefferson

    Filipino men transform into Ladyboys because most are extreme flaming fairies

    In Thailand one sees a lot of lady boys. I was surprised to find a greater number in the Philippines. I had never read about them but your explaination makes sense.

  30. bucky says:

    So the Filipinos want to claim this guy? Really?

  31. Marty says:
    @Jefferson

    For years in SF, filipino-tranny hooker central was a bar called Mother Lode, at Post/Larkin. One night in 98 I got off BART, walked through the Tenderloin, and just past the bar ran into a black guy, a former Giants minor-leaguer, who I’d once been on the same team with. He was on his way to work as an undercover for Muni. As we were talking, one of these trannies walked by on stiletto heels, and my ex-teammate said, “damn, she look just like Janet Jackson!”

  32. J1234 says:

    (Tom Brokaw infamously referred to the killer as a “homicidal homosexual”)

    Brokaw often used to come up with awkward or odd phrases, but I don’t think there was anything infamous about it. My favorite was after the Sandy Hook massacre, when he admitted to having a closet filled with guns at home, but he said none where of the “highly automatic’ variety. As a gun person, I thought it made him look ignorant, but I wasn’t offended by it.

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @MEH 0910
  33. Jefferson says:
    @PiltdownMan

    “Actress Phoebe Cates is part Filipino”

    Phoebe Cates is Roaming Millennial level hot.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  34. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:

    Tedy Bruschi, two time All-Pro linebacker for the New England Patriots for three Super Bowl wins, is half Filipino. His mother is Filipino. His father is the son of immigrants from Italy.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tedy_Bruschi

  35. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Apu made it big. He is now CEO of Google with the power to censor internet and media.

  36. Anon[131] • Disclaimer says:

    I feel kind of sad for her. Wow, is she homely. Still photos don’t convey the full effect:

    Besides being homely, I think she might be fat. But interestingly there are almost no photos of her on the web, and none that do exist show her body. How do you work as a “film critic” in Los Angeles in the age of the smart phone and presumably attend movie openings and never get your photo on the internet? She’s a regular Nikki Finke, before the NikkiStink stalker photographer grabbed this one:

  37. Steve McQueen’s first wife was a Filipina, Neile Adams.

    Rob Schneider had a Filipina grandmother.

  38. there was an article by Slate staffer Inkoo Kang, who is like Sarah Jeong but permanently stuck at that time of the month

    Whoa, Steve. The feminists will be after you!

  39. @Anonymous

    Lots of Cesar’s go by the phonetic (and I guess Anglicized) “see-zer” instead of the Spanish “se-sar.”

  40. DuanDiRen says:

    I have an Isteve request: I would like Steve to write about the evolution of Slate.

    The first two websites I ever read were Drudge and Slate, I guess maybe 1998 or 99.

    I remember the way I found Roissy was from a Megan McCardle article about him, where she wrote “I refuse to link to him, because no one should be allowed to read him”.

    I finally reached the end of the relationship when they had their campaign against Robin Hanson. There are only 3 0r 4 people alive I would consider to be genuine “Sages”: immensely smart, hardworking people who have dedicated their lives to making humanity as a whole better off. Hanson is one, and they tried their absolute best to have him purged.

    So Steve, any interest in doing a Slate retrospective? It would be worth it just to see how Mickey Kaus went from normal Democratic union guy to crazed extremist (without ever changing his policy ideas).

  41. @Art Deco

    In 20 years they’ll write of the stifling homophobia of the 2010s, because narrative.

  42. black sea says:
    @Tiny Duck

    I . . . will be voting straight ticket democrat

    If so, it’ll be the first straight thing you’ve ever done in your life.

  43. BB753 says:
    @J1234

    Tom Brokaw’s mind was notoriously dull.

  44. Anonymous[181] • Disclaimer says:

    Strangely enough, it was another Italian/Filipino mix, Learco Chindamo, who back in the London of the early 1990s stabbed to death Philip Lawrence, the principal of a large London high school. A crime which shocked the nation.
    The school was in the upmarket Pimlico district of London, and was/is ‘highly enriched’. Apparently, Chindamo had bee provoked in his rage by black kids.

  45. Anonymous[181] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Male stripper’?

    Not so much Bolshoi ballet, Ball-Show ballet more like.

    Raquel Welch had her legs insured by Lloyd’s of London for $1million. Liberace had his fingers insured for $5million.
    And Rudolf Nureyev had got a lump sum on his endowment.

  46. This article is like an Onion parody of a college sophomore’s Gender Studies paper. I had to follow the link to Slate just to see if it was for real.

    Apparently someone actually did write this unironically. However, even the comments on Slate are uniform in agreeing the article is just plain stupid.

    Does anyone remember the kerfuffle circa 1990 when Sharon Stone played a murderer in Basic Instinct who was bisexual. There were actual protests at theaters on the ground that this was perpetuating a stereotype that the whole hot lesbian community (all five of them), were homicidal maniacs. Now I guess it’s an “empowerment” thing to be a killer.

  47. tyrone says:
    @AnonymousLevantine

    He migrates, we need more decoys.

  48. “… TV’s lack of diversity ….”

    Yeah, right. I see more diversity on TV than I see in real life.

  49. For what it’s worth: the Phillipine government had a tourism bureau on Fifth Avenue many years ago. I remember stepping in there once. Their staff of 3 or 4 were so over-the-top beautiful that I backed out stunned.

  50. @Tiny Duck

    Remember, Ducky. Correct spelling and punctuation are tools of the white supremacist hegemony and are to be eschewed, as you clearly do.

    And be sure to have plenty of Olde English bigs on hand for election night, since you are going to need them to drown your sorrows.

  51. @Clifford Brown

    Former NFL quarterback Roman Gabriel was half-Filipino.

    Also, Indonesians are ethnically very similar to Filipinos, so might as well include some famous half-Indonesians on the list; Eddie Van Halen and Mark Paul Gosselaar (Zack from Saved by the Bell).

  52. @Bubba

    The Episcopal church will need a period of time to verify the claims of miracle-working intercession by the saint in order to confirm his beatitude. It has taken 20 years in St. Matthew’s case.

    • LOL: Bubba
  53. Lurker says:
    @njguy73

    We’re always just awakening from major repression.

    Inkoo Kang and her ilk are in essentially the same position as this guy:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clive_Wearing

    Clive Wearing (born 11 May 1938) is a British musicologist, conductor, tenor and keyboardist who suffers from chronic anterograde and retrograde amnesia. He lacks the ability to form new memories, and also cannot recall aspects of his past memories, frequently believing that he has only recently awoken from a comatose state.

  54. Escher says:

    We are now hurtling towards Gomorrah.
    The author is actually ok with people making a cult figure out of the homosexual homicidal half breed. I wonder if he/she has a framed picture of the Korean who shot up Virginia tech a few years back.

  55. OP says:
    @Art Deco

    He looked decidedly happa. I could tell he was Eurasian and I was a teen at the time.

    https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmurderpedia.org%2Fmale.C%2Fimages%2Fcunanan_andrew%2Fcunanan_007.jpg&f=1

  56. Cooption says:

    Pretty sure alot of white men grappled with Cunnanan…

    Course Filipino twinks are pretty thick on the ground in cal so

    Think Brokaw got me too’d for some grab ass in the office back in the day, so hes not dead but de personed on TV until his inevitable rehabilitation and groveling apologies.

  57. CCZ says:

    Interesting investigation of Sayoc’s home forclosure and the consequences??

    Michael Olenick: The Real Story of “MAGA Bomber” Cesar Sayoc’s Foreclosure

    MAGA bomber and Trump fanatic Cesar Sayoc lost his home to foreclosure where it was purchased, at auction, then flipped by a company controlled by condo and casino developer Bruce M. Goldstein.

    I can’t vouch for Sayoc’s skills as a stripper but in most other areas of life he seems to be a bumbling idiot, an easy target for Countrywide, Indymac, Stern, Goldstein, and Obama with his ignored promises for hope and change. Then, finally, like so many others who’d been abandoned and forgotten, Donald J. Trump.

    https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/10/michael-olenick-real-story-magabomber-cesar-sayocs-foreclosure.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NakedCapitalism+%28naked+capitalism%29

  58. AndrewR says:
    @Jefferson

    Hence the loathsome Kang referring to Criss with the SJW slur “white-passing.”

    • Replies: @Mara319
  59. AndrewR says:
    @Art Deco

    I mean, from a 2018 perspective, the 1990s were certainly rather hostile to homos.

    Let’s take one elucidating example, a claim about Ellen’s “coming out” episode in 1997 from Wikipedia: “two occasional advertisers, J. C. Penney and Chrysler, decided not to buy time during the episode. Another sponsor, Wendy’s, decided not to advertise on Ellen again at all.”

    The source is a book which I haven’t read, but I have no reason to doubt the veracity of this claim. And again: from a 2018 perspective, this reaction seems utterly alien. The past is a foreign country…

    • Agree: snorlax
    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @AnotherDad
  60. AndrewR says:
    @PiltdownMan

    It’s hard to say, at least from a cursory Wikipedia search, but calling him “part Filipino” is rather misleading. Most people would interpret “part-Filipino” in a racial sense. Yes, his mother is from the Philippines, as is, apparently, her family going back generations, but she is of elite Spanish stock. She might have some native Filipino ancestry, but that’s not really clear, and she almost certainly doesn’t have much, which means Enrique has even less.

  61. AndrewR says:
    @njguy73

    As I mentioned in another comment:

    From a 1960s perspective, the 1990s were hardly repressive for gay people. And granted, SJWs aren’t known for their nuanced historical analyses. But from a 2018 perspective, the 1990s undoubtedly were repressive to gays, and your examples don’t disprove that.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  62. @Lugash

    “is interesting to watch”

    People keep pretending that homosexuals are interesting. But really they (and their drama) are the most boring topic in the world–because it’s all about nothing.

    Who controls what piece of territory, what penis squirts in what vagina–who makes babies with whom–are questions that animate the future, and hence “interest”.

    Nothing about homosexuals or what they do has the slightest salience. If we woke up tomorrow and there were no blacks or Jews or whites or Chinese or Indians or muslims–the world would be profoundly different. If we woke up and all the homosexuals were gone–yawn. They just don’t matter. Lots of noise–zero content.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  63. @Clifford Brown

    Cunanan first became a national news story after he brutally murdered a prominent Chicago real estate developer by stabbing him with a screwdriver multiple times and then sawing his head off with a hacksaw.

    Because killing a less prominent Minneapolis propane salesman with a claw hammer, followed by shooting the man’s architect host, is merely local news? We heard a lot about that.

    Billy Martin just punched a marshmallow salesman in nearby Bloomington, and that was a national news story. But he was already a thing. (I’m finally getting Martin’s side of the story; his autobiography was in a Little Free Library.) That story had an Asian angle as well. Martin’s hunting companion and Bloomington host was restaurateur Howard Wong.

    And there was a marshmallow follow-up:

    http://www.80sbaseball.com/billy-martin-vs-the-marshmallow-man-part-ii/

    • LOL: Autochthon
  64. Is Tom Brokaw dead yet? If not, how long must we be forced to wait until we can dig up Brokaw’s remains and scatter his bones for the infamous crime of referring to Andrew Cunanan as a “homicidal homosexual”?

    At least he didn’t say Cunanan “flipped out”.

    Brokaw should be disinterred just for foisting on us the godawful term “greatest generation”.

  65. @AnonymousLevantine

    I thought you were a Canadian citizen, Duck …

    This one, perhaps?

  66. @Jefferson

    Phoebe Cates is Roaming Millennial level hot.

    She’s also 55 years old. That’s well into cougar territory. Her kids with Kevin Kline are probably “millennials”.

    She considered turning down The Blue Lagoon, but supposedly her father said, “You’re being offered the lead in a feature film, and you’re worried about a little nudity?” If true, that’d be one for the Hollywood family archives. Up there with Anissa Jones surprising her 16-year-old brother with a Camaro.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  67. @AnotherDad

    I’m inclined to think homosexuality is part of the curse. Assuredly, all the gays I’ve known claim they didn’t choose this orientation, because nobody would choose it in a sane world.

    Right now I’m reading Daniel Flynn’s new book Cult City: Jim Jones, Harvey Milk, and 10 Days That Shook San Francisco. Long title, short book. It would be difficult to overstate the trouble caused by Milk in his world and the repercussions in ours, from the suicides of his former teen lovers to the AIDS epidemic to our filthy, confused culture.

    I hope Steve reads this one and reviews it. It certainly binds together plenty of his themes.

  68. Forbes says:
    @Art Deco

    MayBe I Talk Real Weird? MBITRW?

  69. Forbes says:
    @Art Deco

    stifling homophobia

    Literally, it means suppressing homophobia.

    If it’s an irrational fear, stifling it would be a good thing, no? I’m long past thinking the usage of homophobia as a description of “No, I’m strictly hetero” will ever be out of date–or corrected. It’s permanently part of The Narrative.

    And I’ve long predicted that (eventually) people will have to participate in homosexual relations in order to demonstrate one’s bona fides regarding approval of the behavior, as mere words of acceptance (or celebration) won’t be sufficient.

  70. Forbes says:
    @AndrewR

    Apparently NJ’s evidence is just opinion, and your opinions are evidence.

    Got it.

  71. El Dato says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Under Trump we have witnessed the worst anti Semitic attack in US history

    That tells you something right there

    Either that moving the embassy to Jerusalem was a bad cosmic move or that Blue Velvet was secretly about the coming American Holocaust, not sure which.

  72. snorlax says:
    @AndrewR

    It’s usually leftists who retcon history, but this is the rare conservative example. The 90′s were a good time (relative to previous decades) to be gay among urban white liberals between the ages of 20 and 40, but not so great in any other context. Ellen on the cover of a magazine doesn’t exactly disprove that.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @Art Deco
  73. AndrewR says:
    @snorlax

    I think everyone retcons history to fit their agenda. The absurd, extremely common lie that the civil war “wasn’t about slavery” tops any whopper that the left has ever come up with.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @AnotherDad
  74. snorlax says:
    @AndrewR

    It was and it wasn’t. Slavery was the de jure casus belli, and the source of the underlying tension, but the reason war broke out is because the South was an honor-based society to a degree totally alien to modern sensibilities. Their culture demanded that (perceived) insults be challenged by force.

    If it were purely about slavery, the South would have accepted the Corwin Amendment compromise (as the North including Lincoln were willing to). Nor does the purely-slavery theory explain why slaveowners (a relatively wealthy and cosmopolitan class with a more Northern-influenced culture) were, at least initially, far less favorable to secession than non-slaveowners.

  75. @AndrewR

    Let’s take one elucidating example, a claim about Ellen’s “coming out” episode in 1997 from Wikipedia: “two occasional advertisers, J. C. Penney and Chrysler, decided not to buy time during the episode. Another sponsor, Wendy’s, decided not to advertise on Ellen again at all.”

    Seriously? That’s your example?

    Major corporations are advertising on a show not just starring, but belonging to and all about a woman everyone knows is a lesbian, but a few of them were worried about negative customer feeling having their advertising immediately adjacent to scenes where she is violating the long-standing American/Anglo-Saxon tradition of “we don’t care what you do, but don’t rub it in our faces” tolerance, by “coming out”. And one advertiser–working a homey/hokey family vibe–doesn’t come back.

    That’s your evidence in support of “brutal homophobia” of the 90s?

    Sure compared to 2018, where major advertisers commercials must feature either queers or virtuous black men paired with white, hispanic or mixed women–and any white men can only be soft dufuses, outsmarted by their tech/mechanically savvy wives who deign to put up with them–ok, yeah, the 90s were fag unfriendly.

    But seriously compared to any other time or place in human history–or by any objective standard–this is a complete joke.

    Perspective people.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @AndrewR
  76. @AndrewR

    I think everyone retcons history to fit their agenda. The absurd, extremely common lie that the civil war “wasn’t about slavery” tops any whopper that the left has ever come up with.

    LOL.

    The blank slate.
    Race does not exist.
    “Gender”
    Bruce Jenner is a woman.

    The American Civil War by contrast has several different working components. And while plantation slavery vs. incipient industry was the big driver of diverging economic interest/perspectives, their were big issues around allegiance and most Southerners who fought the Yankees were not slaveholders nor big beneficiaries of the slave system but rather fought for the same–thoroughly typical and sensible–reason that the Americans fought the British in 1775 or the Russians fought the Germans in 1941 or the Vietnamese fought the French and Americans after the War–”get the hell outta my land!”

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  77. Art Deco says:
    @snorlax

    It wasn’t a great time because the homosexual subculture was disease infested, and quite a few of them were terminally ill. However, it wasn’t bad because of ‘homophobia’. I wasn’t immersed among ‘urban white liberals’ 25 years ago, but among ordinary wage earners, who left the small corps of homosexual men in our offices in peace. The other end of the deal was that homosexuals in those office settings didn’t have explicit discussions of their domestic life or week-end recreations.

    • Replies: @Sammler
  78. There are quite a few parallels running through journalism and prostitution – so prostitution is something which resonates fully and quite easily with lots and lots of journalists (cf. Viennese half-genius and maniacal journalism critic at large Karl Kraus*****).

    ***** cf. Steve Sailer and Karl Kraus – an essay that could quite easily be written by- – – – maybe we’ll see!

  79. Sammler says: • Website
    @Art Deco

    Exactly. And then “Silence = Death” was created as a slogan for the explicit purpose of breaking this detente. Not wanting to hear specifics of other’s sex lives became “homophobia”.

  80. Clyde says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Phoebe Cates is a hardy perennial for older white guys like me but lets get real here, her last serious efforts were during the Ronald Reagan administration. Just meditate on this. She was light years more classy and black (as midnight) haired lovely than what Hollywood promotes these days.

  81. AndrewR says:
    @AnotherDad

    It was one example. I didn’t and don’t want to write a dissertation about homosexuality in the US in the 1990s. I just used it as a rough indicator of how quickly things have changed.

    • Replies: @Anon
  82. AndrewR says:
    @AnotherDad

    I never said it was completely about slavery. But a lot of Confederate apologists deny slavery had anything to do with it.

  83. Mara319 says:
    @AndrewR

    Oh, my! So that’s what “white-passing” means.

    I’d like to see the loathsome Kang take on:
    Kellyanne Conway’s husband; Bill Clinton’s lunch cook that served him and Monica Lewinsky adobo at the oval office; President Eisenhower’s barber; and the hard-hitting Belmont Club blogger, Richard Fernandez.

    Kang might not be able to catch up.

  84. Anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR

    Is the absence of “mandatory approval” “stifling homophobia”?

    • Troll: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Anon
  85. I don’t much get interested in this kind of stuff, because there’s no real understanding it except “people are crazy; the especially crazy ones do some crazy shit.” But I was fascinated to learn there’s a dude whose parents apparently named him Gary Indiana who wrote about the rentboy. By the way, the term and the concept of the rentboy are much more salient to understanding practices common among sodomites than The Man would have anyone believe. The exceptions the media points to notwithstanding, these folks are by and large living like Calígula, not like Ozzie and Harriet.

    By the by: How many hands does one need to count all the, say, Chinese shows with American-Asian protagonists? Go ahead; I’ll wait.

    Uh huh.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Twinkie
  86. Anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @Forbes

    Man Blasts Italian Tailor Right Well.

  87. @PV van der Byl

    Surely you mean “grand-parent?”

  88. @Reg Cæsar

    You mean Paradise, the knock-off of The Blue Lagoon which had Bible-Man getting it on with Linda Barrett – box office gold!!

    The Blue Lagoon was less controversial because Brooke Shields had already been well and truly exploited at a much younger age in Pretty Baby.

    But then, as the great man observed:

    Hollywood is Hollywood. There’s nothing you can say about it that isn’t true, good or bad. And if you get into it, you have no right to be bitter — you’re the one who sat down, and joined the game.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Reg Cæsar
  89. @Art Deco

    What in Hell does Multiband Inter/Intra-Team Radio have to do with it?

  90. Anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon

    HK movies used to have someone (a Chinese of course) come over from America as a plot point now and then. And then there was one insane one with a bunch of Dutchmen as the hero’s last-minute reinforcement in a gang fight.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  91. Twinkie says:

    who is like Sarah Jeong

    I just took a shot of Soju.

  92. Twinkie says:
    @Autochthon

    By the by: How many hands does one need to count all the, say, Chinese shows with American-Asian protagonists? Go ahead; I’ll wait.

    It used to be that South Korean dramas were 100% cast with South Koreans. Now many shows have white characters. There is now even a K-pop girl group with a white member:

  93. Twinkie says:
    @Autochthon

    because Brooke Shields had already been well and truly exploited at a much younger age in Pretty Baby.

    How do you know this?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  94. @Autochthon

    You mean Paradise, the knock-off of The Blue Lagoon

    It’s easy to confuse titles of movies you never paid to see.

    Paradise was filmed in Mauritania, of all places. I wonder how much of the crew was enslaved.

    • LOL: Autochthon
  95. @Anon

    Quaere:Does the ethnically Chinese dude (born in, or immigrated to…does it matter?) America now returning to China in such a movie become an Asian-American-Asian? How many such assinine, contradictory appellations may one accumulate, any way? Is there no limit?

    I think the last time I made this point the Derb’s famous cameo was cited. It really needs more asking. Just as with the “Fleeing war?! What in Hell are twebty-five-old men ‘fleeing war’ for!? We used to call that ‘cowardice.’” – just as that point absolutely must be made, but is almost never, so too much this other point be: Every time these jackasses go on about how few Negroes appear in historical pictures set in Scandanavia or based upon Norse myths, how few sitcoms in the U.S.A. feature Hindoos, and so on, they must be challenged about why there are no white people in Wakanda, no German families are prominent in Korean television shows, why Anthony Hopkins isn’t considered for the lead in the latest biographical movie about Nelson Mandela, and so on. Because it’s the same argument both directions. These bastards cannot have it both ways, but everyone let’s them do.

  96. @Twinkie

    Because I’ve seen the film. Watch it. Make up your own mind. Reasonable persons can certainly disagree about whether it is exploitative or not (hence my citation to Welles’ wisdom; in fact I think Shields herself claims it was all perfectly okay – I myself so happen to think it was a bit exploitative to have such a young girl in such a racy scenario, make-believe or not).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Twinkie
  97. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon

    Pretty Baby

    Stars live in the evening
    But the very young need the sun, uh-huh
    Pretty baby, you look so heavenly
    A neo-nebular from under the sun
    I was forming, some say I had my chance
    The boys were falling like an avalanche
    Ya ya baby
    La Dolce Vita is a magic dance
    No-one was listening
    Pretty baby, un petite ingenue
    A teenage starlet, I fell in love with you
    You, you with the comb
    You look OK in every way (every way)
    Ah, I should have known
    You’d look at me and look away (and look away – oh)
    Pretty baby, you look so heavenly
    A neo-nebular from under the sun
    Eyes…

  98. Twinkie says:
    @Autochthon

    I myself so happen to think it was a bit exploitative to have such a young girl in such a racy scenario… Watch it.

    No thanks.

  99. Anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Troll: AndrewR

    I see my work here is done.

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