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From CBS News in Chicago:

Jussie Smollett Case: Brothers Questioned By Police Were Paid $3,500 To Stage Attack, Which Was Rehearsed Days Before, Sources Say

By Charlie De Mar February 16, 2019 at 10:21 pm

CHICAGO (CBS) — Jussie Smollett paid two brothers to stage an attack against him, directed them to buy items used in the alleged assault and actually rehearsed it with them, sources say.

Sources say at least one of the brothers bought the rope used in the incident at Smollett’s request. The sources also say the “Empire” actor paid for the rope, which was purchased at the Crafty Beaver Hardware Store in the Ravenswood neighborhood the weekend of Jan. 25.

The brothers, who were questioned by police this week before being released, were paid $3,500 before leaving for Nigeria and were promised an additional $500 upon their return.

They left for Nigeria later in the day on Jan. 29, after the attack.

Sources said one of the brothers held the rope and poured bleach while the other wore a plain red hat and yelled slurs at Smollett.

The sources say the red hat was bought at an Uptown beauty supply store and that the attack was supposed to happen before Jan. 29. The brothers told detectives the three men rehearsed the attack days prior to it happening.

A question: What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it? Did Jussie assume that cameras cover every spot in super-high density Streeterville (near Chicago’s Navy Pier) and he just happened to pick the one place without video coverage?

 
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  1. You should run a contest:

    What is _____’s reaction to this going to be?

    They never admit they were wrong, so… how will this be spun?

  2. Talking of hate hoaxes, it is funny how every anti-gay politician gets a gay scandal. Why, it’s like they are being entrapped!

  3. Maybe he realized that it would be a very unconvincing scene. He would go down in history as the Ed Wood of hate hoaxes.

  4. I think we have all been taught a powerful lesson here.

    White men just be truly evil for a such a wonderful person (he is a Jewish negro who loves penis, so he has to be wonderful) to be driven to do such a thing.

    • LOL: gsjackson
  5. He might have thought that the attack would come off on video as more Three Stooges than Scarface. Jussie Smollett, the Ed Wood of hate hoaxes.

  6. This seems beyond repair now for the Narrative Police. They must be praying for a tsunami, earthquake or major coup d’etat to push it out of the headlines.
    The Jussie-Kamala connection will be accutely embarassing to the CNN & MSNBC gangs

    • Replies: @Moses
    Nah. They'll memory hole it and/or obfuscate the hell out of it.

    Some representative headlines:

    Associated Press
    Chicago Police: Smollet assault case has "shifted"

    E! News
    Jussie Smollet Investigation Takes a Major Turn: What We Know

    NY Times ("All the Narrative that's fit to print" *heh*)
    Jussie Smollett Timeline: Mystery Deepens as Police Review Case

    The important thing is not that this event didn't happen as first reported and in fact was a total hoax. The important thing is we imagine it *could* have happened as first reported.

    Thanks to brave Jussie Smollet for highlighting the vile bigotry that lurks in the hearts of every White American.
  7. The motivation for this hate hoax is unclear. Was he going to be axed from the TV show? I thought the show runner denied that.

  8. Anon[210] • Disclaimer says:

    I was wondering when you’d get around to posting on this. The $3,500 up front, $500 upon return from Nigeria (per person or for the pair?) makes it sound like going to ground in Africa was part of the plan. And critically, with such a measly payout, presumably the muscle twins were not expected to pay their airfare … so Smollett’s credit card records are going to be of interest to the cops. They know the flight, so we can assume that they have the payment information from the airline and payment processor already, but are keeping that quiet, in order to pop it on Jussie in the middle of his next interrogation. Smollett’s lawyers are experienced, so they see this coming, and are probably having the come-to-Jesus talk with Jessie. For a plea the prosecutors have to be involved … Are they working with the CPD already? And then there is the complicating factor that the feds are involved.

  9. No video of the attack but my contacts at the CPD sent me this tape of Jussie’s response when confronted with the new evidence in this wild noose chase:

    I’m looking forward to coming hot takes that it is the fault of the People of MAGA for creating such a hostile environment that this kind of an attack by them was believable. I’m sadly old enough to remember the Susan Smith case where she killed her two boys but tried to divert attention by claiming she had been carjacked by black criminals. Now sure there are differences, Smith was covering up an actual crime while Smollett was inventing one; but I certainly don’t remember anyone saying how sad it was that high black criminality made Smith’s statements more believable (although this would have been something of a true, if inappropriate statement).

    Trump needs to propose a Federal Anti-Hate Hoax law that will put anyone perpetrating a Hate Hoax behind bars for twenty years!

  10. I am so hoping that the 1/29 date is tied in with the vote on the anti-lynching bill and Kamala’s comments after the “incident”. Plus, it would be really awesome if the Nigerians relate how Jussie cussed them out for showing up with clothesline instead of something more substantial.

  11. Why the actual FF attack?
    I’d guess the key is that he is an actor. If he is actually getting “attacked”, he can get into the role, which he can then rehash for the police.

  12. I think he did it in an alleyway away from cameras because him and the Nigerians didn’t want anyone to get arrested or for the police to have actual evidence. Remember that it was his friend that pushed him to go to the police, he was reluctant initially.

    I think he planned this as a PR stunt only, faking the whole attack to have a solid story he could tell over and over again (it’s easier to lie about something that technically did happen?) and so he could show up bruised and with the rope to his apartment for his friends to see, plus so that his manager could hear the insults (he probably called him on purpose right before the “attack”). I don’t think Jussie intended for the police to get involved. Once they did, he doubled down like all lefties do, but he was in over his head. Now it’s an epic mess. This should be a Cohen Bros film in 15 years.

  13. Donald Trump used his White Supremacist supernatural voodoo to make sure none of the surveillance cameras showed his MAGA supporters lynching the most important Black Gay man in the world Jussie Smollett. Never underestimate the power of Orange Man Voodoo because it’s a lot stronger than the African Juju.

  14. Prediction: getting off with performance art excuse, upcoming.

  15. ‘A question: What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it? Did Jussie assume that cameras cover every spot in super-high density Streeterville (near Chicago’s Navy Pier) and he just happened to pick the one place without video coverage?’

    Maybe he’s just not very bright. He is black.

  16. Another good question: Why use a couple of gay, black guys in your racist, homophobic hate hoax? They were even “celebrities” to some extent, making them an even worse choice.

  17. He should have blamed the MAGA beaver.

  18. apparently the camera looked one direction of the compass. he picked the wrong one. doh. they probably still would have figured out the plan. i told my wife this was a hoax the minute i saw it. plus one for me.

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    What are the odds that Smollett “attempts suicide” as this continues to unravel over the next 72 hours?
    , @Anon
    You forgot to say "First!" :)
  19. Nigeria isn’t sending its best.

    Though some of them, I assume, are good people.

    • Replies: @anon
    nigerians doing hoaxes americans wont do, all that spam fraud talent lying fallow instead of enriching left wing fake news sites
    , @AndrewR
    I don't really blame the Nigerians. It's easy for people to sit on their high horses and condemn, but until you've been offered thousands of dollars for something like this, you can't really judge. It's not like they actually harmed anyone.

    Smollett IMO deserves 100% of the blame for this.
  20. This was a special kind of false flag known as the “fake noose”

    • Replies: @Lurker
    A false flax.
    , @Roderick Spode
    "Fake Noose" could trend bigly, let's run with it
  21. …prompting a period of sober self-reflection and soul-searching by the nation’s journalists.

    Bwahaha! Just kidding and Thomas “Cakewalk” Friedman still makes the big bucks. Steve, this may be a good time to mention you, on the other hand, need to rely financially on readers’ appreciation.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
  22. A question: What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it? Did Jussie assume that cameras cover every spot in super-high density Streeterville (near Chicago’s Navy Pier) and he just happened to pick the one place without video coverage?

    Were they wearing a KKK outfit? The attackers are black.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Black masks.
    , @TheJester

    Were they wearing a KKK outfit? The attackers are black.
     
    Maybe, as a precaution, they were wearing hoodies. I understand that hoodies became fashionable in the ghetto to fool surveillance cameras ... no face, no case when they robbed local convenience stores.
    , @Escher
    Maybe they were inspired by the new Spike Lee movie.
    , @Bubba
    I think CPD has this picture of the incident...

    http://weaponsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/blazing-saddles-klan.jpg
  23. Well at least it finally explains how someone could hold onto a sandwich in one hand and a cell phone in the other while “successfully” fighting off two very athletic attackers in a subfreezing Chicago night. It’s called “lying”.

    • Replies: @Perspective
    Similar to the Native guy in the Covington case, their legerdemain seemed so effortless and natural.
  24. What’s wrong with white people?

    I think it’s long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there’s something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It’s insanity on a level that I’ve never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can’t think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It’s only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn’t the black man doing something that he’s learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors’ racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We’ve completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.

    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
    What’s wrong with white people?

    They think it's a virtue to shill for wealthy individuals and corporations rather than their own interests. Even in these comments not a single person (except me) is actually interested in the kinds of reforms that would fix the problems with the media and universities that create these hoaxes. People are just interested in gloating about how much more intelligent they are than the various high profile people who supported Smollett (itself a fallacy because lots of Smollett's supporters didn't believe him and becuase the people here are going to inherently be more skeptical of claims like his for reasons of political alignment that have nothing to do with intelligence).

    , @bomag

    I think it’s long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there’s something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it?
     
    Agree.

    It is a feedback loop that has gone haywire.

    We were told if we apologize for past transgressions; pay compensation; then the oppressed would rise up, perform, and become equals. But the equality thing never happens, so ever more apologies and compensations are demanded.

    If you want a vision of the future, imagine a hate hoax
    stamping on a White face -
    forever.
    , @Anon
    Nothing's wrong with white people. The fact that the police actually did their job and weren't afraid to report the facts shows that the tide is turning.
    , @Bill H

    We’ve completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.
     
    One of the best things I've read in weeks.
    , @FvS
    Brainwashed from day one.
    , @AndrewR
    Lol, I imagine the whites who most fervently buy into SJW politics are the ones least likely to have had ancestors who even met people from other races, let alone acted racistly.

    The descendants of slaveowners (with some notable exceptions, like the execreble Anderson Cooper) are relatively unlikely to buy into this SJW fanaticism.
    , @ia

    What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it?
     
    It's human rights, white guys. The god morphed into a beetle-faced, pregnant hermaphrodite while you were admiring yourselves. It no longer looks like Voltaire or Thomas Jefferson. So sorry.
    , @Almost Missouri

    "I think it’s long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there’s something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it?"
     
    Yes, we are living in the midst of a Great Sorting. The millennium-long creation of inner-Hajnal whites is now being culled of those who were over-bred, misconceived and ill-formed. If not literally killed off, the 0-1 TFR of those Eloi-whites will spell their extinction by the time we reach the other end of this. The question is how much collateral damage they will cause on their way out.

    The American Empire is almost certainly toast, and good riddance to it. Most of us never wanted it. Some benefited from it, many did not. White homelands will be wrecked, some more than others. White bloodlines will be wrecked, some more than others.

    Will America and Europe become like Egypt, where a subject and mongrelized people live amongst wonders they can no longer create and can only explain supernaturally? Time—and the deeds of the coming years—will tell. The global political order will pass to China and maybe Russia.

    What about the crown of Western creation: culture and civilization? Will they still be remembered? Still understood? Still lived? It may be up to the Russians.

    , @Bill B.
    I rather like Porter's description of the howling liberal mob reacting to the Smollett atrocity:

    competitive conformity
     
    , @Hamlet's Ghost
    India has its sacred cows. America has its sacred Negroes.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Ted, nice comment, but to assume that my ancestors were racists is, well you know, an assumption.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    What’s wrong with white people?

    I think it’s long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there’s something seriously wrong with us.
     
    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/NRMTnhJfaU7FlHPWJsa7UM2ZSEA=/0x0:1600x1112/920x0/filters:focal(0x0:1600x1112):format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3828004/Same_Sex_marriage_map_rainbow2.0.png

    http://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/FT_17.12.07_gayMarriageMapUpdate-1.png
    , @densa
    Well said.
    , @Che Guava
    I would bet a large sum that

    a. Smollets will be charged with nothing, and

    b. The MSM, once all is proven, will heavy handedly move into robotically repeating 'Nothing to see here. Move on. Move on.'
    ... and then, after twelve or so hours, pretend it never happened.

    , @Kylie
    "What's wrong with white people?"

    Tldr: white women.
    , @Kylie
    "What's wrong with white people?"

    Tldr: white women.
    , @Kylie
    "What's wrong with white people?"

    Tldr: white women.
    , @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    The white people who believe this nonsense don't live next to diversity and don't understand what it's like to be a hated minority in a sea of brown. You don't see this BS with Latin American whites, for example.
    , @Colin Wright
    '...We’ve completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll...'

    In this case, I'd say we've managed to have our cake and eat it too, so to speak, but yeah.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    Are you the same Ted Bell who operates that crappy steak house in Beverly Hills?
    , @anon1
    Its called Jewish cultural Marxism.
  25. Smollett was lying. I am shocked, shocked!

  26. First thing I thought reading this too. What a maroon!

    • Replies: @jon

    What a maroon!
     
    I believe the proper term is octaroon.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    The dumbest part is Jussie thinking these two maroons wouldn't roll over on him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8GGpYFmkYI
  27. How much will Jussie’s career suffer? He’s a liar and a hate-mongerer, but a hate-mongerer against the right people, in the eyes of much of the media. I suppose woke types will rationalize his hoax as a “misguided but well-intentioned attempt to bring awareness to the black bodies that are senselessly murdered every day in Amerikkka.” He might lose his current gigs, but maybe a year or two from now he’ll be back in business, forgiven for what was really a noble political statement on behalf of those in our society marginalized by the white Trump Nazi power structure–or something like that.

    • Replies: @Currahee
    You are so right, but I doubt it will take a year. Smollet is entitled to fight the power of homophobic racism by any means necessary.
    It is the duty of every woke citizen.
    , @Jefferson
    "I suppose woke types will rationalize his hoax as a “misguided but well-intentioned attempt to bring awareness to the black bodies that are senselessly murdered every day in Amerikkka.” 

    Meanwhile not a peep from The Left about the modern day enslavement of Black bodies occurring AfriKKKa today. And that's because the slave masters are just as intersectional as the slaves on the identity politics hierarchy created by The Left.
    , @USAMNESIA
    In a sane world, we wouldn't see him for a long time in any public arena...however, just like our illustrious foreign policy and the ludicrous GWOT, we have evil souls like Elliott Abrams showing up in officialdom for round two of the world tour of U.S. humanitarianism. Our culture is just one big la la land!

    https://theweek.com/articles/823801/elliot-abrams-absurd-paradoxes-american-foreign-policy
  28. Smollett will be back on Empire next year.

    The TV show you say? No, No, No.. the local Chicago carpet company:

    • Replies: @Bruce County
    Hey.. i would like to know how you insert photos and You Tube links.
  29. I think Jussie smokes a lot of MJ. This is how he comes up with such cockamamie schemes. With the Nigerian Bros acting as white Trump MAGA supporters, and beating and noosing Juicy? The MJ in his system gives him fantasies of being the great black + gay* warrior against Donald Trump plus the stupids he associates with confirm and boost his fantasies.

    *Gay as in very openly gay and making a big deal about it

    • Replies: @ronhan
    This is silly. He did it because past such events, when proven false, have lead to almost zero bad consequences for the hoaxer, while the hoaxed often suffered afterwards. This was a low risk move on his part. Do you really think he will be punished significantly? Why should he be punished when the only people hurt are whites in America as a whole?
    , @Roderick Spode
    Marijuana has a tendency to inspire paranoia, overdeliberation and inaction in its users. If drugs exacerbated Smollett's delusions - which I think is possible - they were probably psychopharmaceutical in nature, or otherwise powerful stimulant narcotics.
    , @anon tinkers are still around
    Reminds me of Robert Mitchum's 1948 Marijuana conviction.
    Apart from being an obvious hoax, there's something else fishy about it.
  30. What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it?

    In his ABC News interview, he said that he pointed the detectives to the camera, only to find out the that the cameras were pointed in the wrong direction of the attack.

    Apparently the nigerian brothers also kept receipts for the rope and bleach they bought at a local store. Really sophisticated perps.

    • Replies: @LittleNano

    Apparently the nigerian brothers also kept receipts for the rope and bleach they bought at a local store. Really sophisticated perps.
     
    Perhaps there is a federal tax credit for costs associated with hate hoaxing? I've never thought to look into it but it probably exists.
    , @Jimi
    They needed receipts to give to Jussie for reimbursable expenses.
    , @BigDickNick
    Well, you gotta keep the receipts for business expenses in case you get audited!
    , @res

    Apparently the nigerian brothers also kept receipts for the rope and bleach they bought at a local store. Really sophisticated perps.
     
    What will actually happen to the Nigerians? Do they get to keep the money? Seems like they may come out of this pretty well--at least once they threw Jussie under the bus.
    , @Logan
    To be fair, I have bleach and rope. In fact, at the moment I have bleach and rope in my car.
    , @Svigor
    Seems like a smart play to me. When caught: "see officer? Why would we keep all this shit around and documented, if not to say 'why would we keep this shit around and documented? Jussie set all this up.' when caught?"
    , @elissa
    You must keep receipts if you're going to claim them as expenses.

    The contract probably states $3,500 + expenses
    , @Escher

    Apparently the nigerian brothers also kept receipts for the rope and bleach they bought at a local store. Really sophisticated perps.
     
    Well, they needed to expense those items.
  31. Mr. Sailer, my compliments. It was audacious to suggest right from the start that Smollett was putting us on. Now you may come down off that limb and enjoy a celebratory glass of Champagne.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    Disagree. Steve’s the best but he was too cautious with this one.
  32. The Jussie Smollett hate-crime attack:

    Fake and Gay

    • LOL: Bubba
  33. • Replies: @Torn and Frayed
    "If Susan Smith orchestrated this scam and claimed she was carjacked by a gang of black men just to cover up the fact she murdered her children then the real tragedy will be all the victims of REAL black carjackings whose stories won't be believed."
  34. Sources said one of the brothers held the rope and poured bleach while the other wore a plain red hat and yelled slurs at Smollett.

    In a side alley at 02:00 when no-one is around because it’s just Antarctica out there.

    And wearing a “plain red hat”, it’s just mysterious. There is a company logo about that.

    (Who is this Mr. Sources anyway? I have come to mistrust anything Mr. Sources says, especially in international relations.)

    • Replies: @Svigor
    One or more Chicago cops close to the investigation. Probably chosen by CPD brass.
    , @Mr. Anon

    And wearing a “plain red hat”, it’s just mysterious. There is a company logo about that.
     
    It was a Linuxing.
  35. Once again…

    Deep Throat: ”Look, forget the myths the media’s created about the White House–the truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.”

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
  36. Just going to suggest here that Smollett should have gathered a couple Tiny Ducks to do it free.

    • LOL: jim jones
  37. Jack D:

    “And they couldn’t go to Home Depot or a hardware store to get a good stout rope, they had to get some kind of ribbon at the craft store?”

    At a store called The Crafty Beaver, which is actually a small chain of small urban hardware stores.

  38. Publicity stunt.

    At least Allen Funt could stage these things better.

  39. The name Jussie looks like a stage name for a Black female porn star or a Black female stripper because the name Jussie looks like it would be pronounced as Juicy. Either way it’s not as masculine name for a Brotha, no wonder he turned out to be Gay. Suge Knight had the good sense to drop the Marion from his name.

    • Replies: @anon
    Because "Sugha" doesn't sound like a stripper at all. At least Marion was John Wayne's name, for Christ's sake.
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    To me Jussie is more evocative of hussy.
    , @Daniel Williams

    Suge Knight had the good sense to drop the Marion from his name.
     
    Marion Barry had a good run with it.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    "Suge Knight had the good sense to drop the Marion from his name."

    So did John Wayne.
  40. When Oprah was conned by the author James Frey, she had enough class to express her outrage and dismay.

    How many of those on the Left who were conned by Smollett will show the same amount of sense?

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief

    How many of those on the Left who were conned by Smollett will show the same amount of sense?

     

    Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders for example.
    , @Almost Missouri
    I know Steve hopes this will be the hate hoax that finally forces the MSM to acknowledge that hate hoaxes exist. I hope so too. But it may be the hate hoax that convinces the MSM that they can still dictate The Narrative no matter how adverse the facts are.

    They're already test marketing lines such as GQ's:

    “While its veracity isn’t confirmed, its sentiment needs no fact-check.”
     
    , @Redneck farmer
    "...show the same amount of sense?"
    To quote Nelson from The Simpsons,"Ha-ha"!
    , @Anon
    I'm waiting for a reaction of Robin Roberts of Nightline.

    I just watched part of that interview, and I think that it was a big mistake on his part. He comes off as a psychopath just lying to her face like that, crying and so on. Had he not done the interview he could pass himself off as a garden-variety anti-social narcissistic liar and general asshole, someone who might be forgiven somewhere down the line.

    I'm also nonplussed by stupid his plot is. All criminal plots are stupid, but this one:

    -- Relied on two guys keeping quiet who don't seem like they would be that motivated to keep quiet (I guess the manager and choreographer were not in on it? If they were, even worse), and who would be blackmailing him forever ... no more extra gigs would produce a falling out

    -- Too many records to cause trouble: cameras, plane tickets, phone calls, receipts

    -- No real injury to him, no damage to his cell phone, intact sandwich

    -- Is the fake ransom-note-style letter part of it? If so, it brought the feds into the case, which you want to avoid

    One sign of a fake white on black hate crime is that you can recognize the projection. White people in the 21st century do not think about nooses that much. They do not associate nooses with racism. Nooses are Saddam Hussein and maybe old western movies on cable. Blacks are brainwashed by constant "last 50 years didn't happen" lynching paranoia. Maybe young progressives who take grievance studies are also. But right wingers don't take those college courses and thus are not noose aware.

    I think this applies to MAGA hat obsession also. For other targets, swatztikas. Jews are super into swatztikas, much more than anti-Semitic guys.

    In general, look at the weird stereotypes that the left has and if they occur in a hate crime, it's evidence of a possible hoaz.
    , @G. Poulin
    One wishes they would be as outraged when the con is going on. But they're too busy missing the obvious and raging at the Approved Hate Objects.
    , @AndrewR
    Zero.
    , @Kaganovitch
    Dave, James Frey is white, therefore he has agency, hence outrage. Smollett is Black, thus he has no agency, so no outrage. Simple.
    , @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    Oprah was mad because she actually believed it and it hurt her show's reputation to have lavished praise upon something that was fake. Remember how "Oprah's Book Club" could literally turn an unknown author into a celebrity overnight. It had huge cultural cache that she understood had to be well-managed and protected. I'm glad she's not running in 2020, she's a very formidable person.
  41. @PhysicistDave
    When Oprah was conned by the author James Frey, she had enough class to express her outrage and dismay.

    How many of those on the Left who were conned by Smollett will show the same amount of sense?

    How many of those on the Left who were conned by Smollett will show the same amount of sense?

    Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders for example.

    • Replies: @donut
    Oprah was outraged because was conned . Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders and all the others aren't morons they knew it was a hoax all along it's just what they do .
    , @tyrone
    In a years time if you mention Smollett they will look at you in wonder and disbelief ,it will never have happened, you must be mad.
  42. What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it?

    I think he did mean for the video to get out, but didn’t realize that the camera he was hoping to capture the attack was facing the wrong direction.

    Personally, I find that explanation strange. I wouldn’t be surprised if the police, while questioning Smollet, felt something was off and decided to withhold the video to see his reaction. Or maybe they had some other reason (the fight was poorly staged and they didn’t want to tip Smollet or the Nigerian brothers off, etc.).

  43. It sounds like the noose is tightening around poor Jussie…

    Is the outcome going to be doubling down, or claiming mental health crisis and going into some clinic?

  44. A question: What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it? Did Jussie assume that cameras cover every spot in super-high density Streeterville (near Chicago’s Navy Pier) and he just happened to pick the one place without video coverage?

    I think his motives were mixed. In part it was a gay fantasy about the masculine authority of uniformed heterosexual musclemen constricting his neck, so one would not expect (forgive the pun) straight thinking

  45. anon[245] • Disclaimer says:

    Did Jussie assume that cameras cover every spot in super-high density Streeterville (near Chicago’s Navy Pier) and he just happened to pick the one place without video coverage?

    He had to have. Just think of how easy it would have been for him to wait a couple of days, and take a trip of a coople hours north to some state park in Wisconsin. Just say he wanted to go sight-seeing or something.

    Then, he wouldn’t have needed these guys to do anything at all. He could have just taken pictures of himself looking disheveled and say that he was beaten up by two rural white Wisconsin rednecks. It would have made more sense, because, as we all know, Wisconsin famously did go for Trump, making his “MAGA country” thing more plausible.

    But, like you said, then there wouldn’t be security footage of it, so the only evidence would be his testimony.

    And, of course, there’s the fact that you can get people to believe a lot of BS, but the idea of a black guy going to a Wisconsin state park is just too implausible.

  46. @PhysicistDave
    When Oprah was conned by the author James Frey, she had enough class to express her outrage and dismay.

    How many of those on the Left who were conned by Smollett will show the same amount of sense?

    I know Steve hopes this will be the hate hoax that finally forces the MSM to acknowledge that hate hoaxes exist. I hope so too. But it may be the hate hoax that convinces the MSM that they can still dictate The Narrative no matter how adverse the facts are.

    They’re already test marketing lines such as GQ‘s:

    “While its veracity isn’t confirmed, its sentiment needs no fact-check.”

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @bomag

    ...no matter how adverse the facts are.
     
    This.

    Narrative uber alles.
    , @Ancient Briton
    Or the snappier Ratherism: fake but accurate!
    , @densa
    Every politician and media twitterhead that slandered 63 million Trump voters with yet another fake noose story should be swatted with a rolled up newspaper and have their noses rubbed in it. How about an apology? A mea culpa? No, you're right. They'll stick with the 'although we may have been lying again, we so strongly believe our lies could be true that we stand by them' defense.
  47. @PhysicistDave
    When Oprah was conned by the author James Frey, she had enough class to express her outrage and dismay.

    How many of those on the Left who were conned by Smollett will show the same amount of sense?

    “…show the same amount of sense?”
    To quote Nelson from The Simpsons,”Ha-ha”!

  48. This hoax was doomed from the start. It was conceived, inacted and believed by idiots.
    ‘This is MAGA country’….that’s some funny shit.

    • Replies: @rufus
    Should have gone north to Halsted and boystown...

    This is Ed Buck Country !
    , @Realist

    ...conceived, inacted and believed..
     
    Should read...conceived, enacted and believed...
    , @Buck Ransom
    "This is MAGA country" is probably Jussie cribbing his script from the Abner Louima case 20 years ago or more in NYC. Best as I remember, the cops who allegedly attacked Louima were said to have snarled "It's Giuliani time!"
  49. “A question: What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it? Did Jussie assume that cameras cover every spot in super-high density Streeterville (near Chicago’s Navy Pier) and he just happened to pick the one place without video coverage?”

    Another question: If the Nigerian bros knew they were participating in a criminal hoax, why are they being let go as “innocent”?

    • Replies: @Clyde

    Another question: If the Nigerian bros knew they were participating in a criminal hoax, why are they being let go as “innocent”?
     
    Their innocence is relative. They are 5% culpable compared to Jussie, criminal mastermind. So if Jussie gets some legal punishment, The Bros might get some, but much less. It's obvious the pumped up dudes moved at Jussie's direction.
    Plus the Pump Boys cooperated with the police and Jussie did not.
    My favorite stunt in all of this was one of the Nigerians walking on his hands on a gym's treadmill or whatever they are called these days. And in the private gym of Jussie's exclusive, high toned condo building
    , @songbird
    If they cooperated and were permanently sent back to Nigeria, I don't have a problem with it. IMO, it is always more important to get the big fish.

    BTW, I wish someone would recreate the attack in front of the camera just so we can get an idea of how ridiculous it would look.
    , @Jack D
    They were actors paid to engage in a piece of street theater. When questioned by the police, they told the truth. They didn't assault anyone without consent. They committed no crime so the police let them go.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Because they're material witnesses.
    , @Anon
    The brothers probably didn’t think about the legality of the hoax. They didn’t obstruct justice as they told the police everything. I can’t think of any crime they committed maybe some obscure civil fraud. Jussie paid them They did benefit financially.
  50. I’m skeptical of the claim that everything was caught on video except for a one minute gap when the staged attack occurred.

    My guess is:

    1) There are a number of gaps throughout the evening; and, more importantly:

    2) The event actually was caught on tape, the cops have seen it, and it will eventually come out.

    My guess is they were hiding the existence of this key piece of evidence to draw the participants out.

    They can claim that their prior statements were technically correct: they did not see video of the “attack” because the incident was not an actual attack.

  51. @Dieter Kief

    How many of those on the Left who were conned by Smollett will show the same amount of sense?

     

    Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders for example.

    Oprah was outraged because was conned . Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders and all the others aren’t morons they knew it was a hoax all along it’s just what they do .

  52. Anon[997] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave
    When Oprah was conned by the author James Frey, she had enough class to express her outrage and dismay.

    How many of those on the Left who were conned by Smollett will show the same amount of sense?

    I’m waiting for a reaction of Robin Roberts of Nightline.

    I just watched part of that interview, and I think that it was a big mistake on his part. He comes off as a psychopath just lying to her face like that, crying and so on. Had he not done the interview he could pass himself off as a garden-variety anti-social narcissistic liar and general asshole, someone who might be forgiven somewhere down the line.

    I’m also nonplussed by stupid his plot is. All criminal plots are stupid, but this one:

    — Relied on two guys keeping quiet who don’t seem like they would be that motivated to keep quiet (I guess the manager and choreographer were not in on it? If they were, even worse), and who would be blackmailing him forever … no more extra gigs would produce a falling out

    — Too many records to cause trouble: cameras, plane tickets, phone calls, receipts

    — No real injury to him, no damage to his cell phone, intact sandwich

    — Is the fake ransom-note-style letter part of it? If so, it brought the feds into the case, which you want to avoid

    One sign of a fake white on black hate crime is that you can recognize the projection. White people in the 21st century do not think about nooses that much. They do not associate nooses with racism. Nooses are Saddam Hussein and maybe old western movies on cable. Blacks are brainwashed by constant “last 50 years didn’t happen” lynching paranoia. Maybe young progressives who take grievance studies are also. But right wingers don’t take those college courses and thus are not noose aware.

    I think this applies to MAGA hat obsession also. For other targets, swatztikas. Jews are super into swatztikas, much more than anti-Semitic guys.

    In general, look at the weird stereotypes that the left has and if they occur in a hate crime, it’s evidence of a possible hoaz.

    • Agree: TTSSYF, Prodigal son
    • Replies: @Clyde

    One sign of a fake white on black hate crime is that you can recognize the projection. White people in the 21st century do not think about nooses that much.
     
    Five Miami firemen got booted for displaying nooses near a black fireman's locker. The dastardly five were mostly white Hispanic. I guess they never got the memo.......about the most protected class in the USA.
    https://tinyurl.com/yyqkz5p2
    , @guest
    Do you think actors worry about coming off as psychopaths?
    , @Almost Missouri

    "Is the fake ransom-note-style letter part of it? If so, it brought the feds into the case, which you want to avoid."
     
    Yeah, if he had kept the USPS out of it, that would have been wise.

    Unfortunately for Jussie, this is the inventory of items seized under the search warrant of his home.

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k8MBznvvSWY/XGiywAjgP9I/AAAAAAAAHD0/CZGzWd5VTQEeHLkihZrfYV_-8Vu2Y2X5ACLcBGAs/s1600/Search%2BWarrant.jpg

    Very first item: "Magazine on birdcage"

    Why would the police seize a magazine as evidence from his house? Maybe it's not what's in the magazine, it's what's not in the magazine: the headline letters of the size, shape and color of those in the postal threat.

    Fortunately for Jussie, even our supposedly MAGAfied DOJ seems to have no interest in prosecuting its enemies, only its allies.

    , @Days of Broken Arrows
    Look, I can take lying, deceit, fake nooses, and paying off people. But an "intact sandwich?" NEVER! That's where I draw the line!!!
  53. OT: https://www.vox.com/world/2019/2/14/18221913/fascism-warning-madeleine-albright-book-trump

    “I think what differentiates fascism from other ideological movements is the use of violence and anger to achieve political ends. What you almost always see in fascist regimes is propaganda being used to set people against each other without any potential solutions to any of the problems.”

    Hmm. I wonder who else has done that? Must be very difficult to think of human beings who’d resort to using violence and anger in their ideology in order to achieve their societal/political ends, it’s such a rare occurrence in human history. Humans are, after all, such naturally peaceful, lovely beings.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    Maddy's confused. Violence born of fascism is directed against external enemies, an unforgivable sin. Violence born of communism is directed against internal enemies, which is wholesome and good.

    That's the distinction. The use of violence and anger to achieve political ends isn't a problem for Maddy; if it were, she'd be talking about communism, which has a far more extensive record in this regard than fascism does. That's part of why communism is so much worse - it takes much longer to run out of internal enemies.
  54. How dumb do you have to be to pick the only two Nigerians on the planet who are no good at hoaxes?

    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Bill, His defense will be that he gave them $3500 so they could free up their princely inheritance and share it with him.
    , @International Jew
    That's pretty funny but of course what's made Nigerians famous is the transparent ineptitude of those email scams of theirs. At least the ones that have arrived at my inbox.

    That's why genuinely sophisticated scams, like Medicare scams, haven't achieved anything like the same iconic status.
  55. The BBC is shockingly straightforward in its reporting of this. As the facts are damning, the objective tone is wonderfully acerbic.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47269827

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    Looking at the brothers' exaggerated musculature, two more thoughts come to mind: one, I wonder what other paid services they've performed for Jussie? This hoax could open up some really embarrassing possibilities.

    And two, does anyone else notice that one T.D. has been AWOL lately? Methinks he's thrown Leonard Pitts over for some juicier 'centerfold' material, if you catch my drift.

    , @res
    Thanks. They just keep doubling down.

    What have Smollett's lawyers said?

    "Jussie Smollett is angered and devastated by recent reports that the perpetrators are individuals he is familiar with," a statement from lawyers Todd Pugh and Victor Henderson said.

    "He has now been further victimised by claims attributed to these alleged perpetrators that Jussie played a role in his own attack. Nothing is further from the truth and anyone claiming otherwise is lying."

    One of the brothers is Smollett's personal trainer, and the lawyers said it was "impossible to believe that this person could have played a role in the crime against Jussie or would falsely claim Jussie's complicity".
     
    I had not seen the personal trainer bit in that last paragraph before.
  56. @Almost Missouri

    "A question: What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it? Did Jussie assume that cameras cover every spot in super-high density Streeterville (near Chicago’s Navy Pier) and he just happened to pick the one place without video coverage?"
     
    Another question: If the Nigerian bros knew they were participating in a criminal hoax, why are they being let go as "innocent"?

    Another question: If the Nigerian bros knew they were participating in a criminal hoax, why are they being let go as “innocent”?

    Their innocence is relative. They are 5% culpable compared to Jussie, criminal mastermind. So if Jussie gets some legal punishment, The Bros might get some, but much less. It’s obvious the pumped up dudes moved at Jussie’s direction.
    Plus the Pump Boys cooperated with the police and Jussie did not.
    My favorite stunt in all of this was one of the Nigerians walking on his hands on a gym’s treadmill or whatever they are called these days. And in the private gym of Jussie’s exclusive, high toned condo building

    • Replies: @Shawn Returns
    I do not believe staging a fake hate crime is not illegal. Lying to the the media certainly is not. Lying about it to law enforcement is illegal. That is what Smollett did. Of course if the Nigerian brothers knew Smollett lied to the police (how could they not?) they are accomplices.
    , @Jezzy Oweme

    Their innocence is relative. They are 5% culpable compared to Jussie, criminal mastermind. So if Jussie gets some legal punishment, The Bros might get some, but much less. It’s obvious the pumped up dudes moved at Jussie’s direction.
     
    I don’t think that’s how it worked. Those two are goofballs, being exploited by Smollett. They both have criminal records, and they don’t want to go to jail. They likely didn’t demand a lawyer during interrogation.

    The cops would have made jail time a very real concern for them, then told them if they spill their guts, they’ll be given immunity from prosecution. The boys jumped on that, and now Smollett is in the hot seat where he belongs, with the two black men he exploited for personal gain contradicting his every lie.

    Back in the day, one would describe this as the crafty house negro attempting to exploit the lowly field negroes, while disrupting the smooth operation of the plantation. The house negro feels an implicit sense of superiority over the field negroes, owing to the fact of his lighter, "colored" skin. Field negroes shouldn't be angry for being tricked into a colored man’s shenanigans. They should feel grateful he gave them the time of day. Harsh, but true.

    Old habits die hard.

    Get the house negro, and let the field boys get back to work.
  57. @Tyrion 2
    The BBC is shockingly straightforward in its reporting of this. As the facts are damning, the objective tone is wonderfully acerbic.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47269827

    Looking at the brothers’ exaggerated musculature, two more thoughts come to mind: one, I wonder what other paid services they’ve performed for Jussie? This hoax could open up some really embarrassing possibilities.

    And two, does anyone else notice that one T.D. has been AWOL lately? Methinks he’s thrown Leonard Pitts over for some juicier ‘centerfold’ material, if you catch my drift.

    • Replies: @Gordo

    Looking at the brothers’ exaggerated musculature, two more thoughts come to mind: one, I wonder what other paid services they’ve performed for Jussie? This hoax could open up some really embarrassing possibilities.
     
    I suspected that myself.
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Jussie prolly paid them on numerous occasions to "console" him after his regular main squeezes stood him up on their regular date and instead went out for a night on the town prowling for some strange fresh twink.
  58. Sources said one of the brothers held the rope and poured bleach while the other wore a plain red hat and yelled slurs at Smollett.

    So did he put on an accent when he was doing it? I assume the point was to be heard by witnesses? Would they not be confused by hearing a very deep Nigerian bodybuilder’s voice shouting ‘this is MAGA country’ on the street?

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
    Dis be MooGOO cundry

    I wonder how Jussie understood that, unless he was quite familiar with Nigeria Speak?
  59. @Dieter Kief

    How many of those on the Left who were conned by Smollett will show the same amount of sense?

     

    Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders for example.

    In a years time if you mention Smollett they will look at you in wonder and disbelief ,it will never have happened, you must be mad.

    • Replies: @Escher
    Shades of "1984" or Stalin-era Soviet Union. Quietly erase it from the record.
  60. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/VictorBlackwell/status/1096926679409352705

    https://twitter.com/JamesHasson20/status/1096960281752809472

    “If Susan Smith orchestrated this scam and claimed she was carjacked by a gang of black men just to cover up the fact she murdered her children then the real tragedy will be all the victims of REAL black carjackings whose stories won’t be believed.”

  61. Speaking of hoaxes here’s one that the MSM really got it’s teeth into :

    http://themillenniumreport.com/2019/02/bbc-false-flag-the-brits-staged-the-whole-fake-douma-chemical-attack-hoax/

    The MSM was all over this with hysterical calls for massive retaliation :

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43697084

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/11/syria-douma-patients-chemical-attack-symptoms-who

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/08/world/middleeast/syria-chemical-attack-ghouta.html

    This one is especially laughable :

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/244356

    They seem to have lost interest , nothing in The NYTs or The Guardian . Nothing on ABC , CBS , NBC or the BBC . But guess what the Yellow Vests are anti- Semites , even going so far as to attack a ((tribal)) elder .

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47268651

  62. What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it?

    In the words of Frank Pembleton “Crime makes you stupid”, and given the place this lot was starting from, well . . .

    How dumb do you have to be to pick the only two Nigerians on the planet who are no good at hoaxes?

    And why would they need the money? They must be still sitting on at least $2-3 billion of their princely inheritance they’ve failed to give away.

  63. @PhysicistDave
    When Oprah was conned by the author James Frey, she had enough class to express her outrage and dismay.

    How many of those on the Left who were conned by Smollett will show the same amount of sense?

    One wishes they would be as outraged when the con is going on. But they’re too busy missing the obvious and raging at the Approved Hate Objects.

  64. queue the “i was just trying to raise awareness about racism and homophobia” defense.

  65. You low IQ racist inbreds keep missing all the points that matter in this time of history leaving you behind. It is a given that gay Numinous Negroes have at least double the numinousness of straight males Negroes. And those blessed with numinousness do not lie – it is beneath the numinousness.

    That being the case, none of your racist speculations have any grounding in the facts of life as we know it. When the final horde of racists are driven from the police, then the truth will emerge that Jussie told the full truth. It also will emerge that the MAGA wearers were were the Covington Catholic racists boys. Because they got away with one racist attack against innocent Numinous Negroes (excuse the redundancy, buy you low IQ racists must have things repeated for you very slowly) and a paragon of Native American peace, justice and nature worship, the Covington Catholic boys committed another hate crime.

    This country requires more law and order with swift punishment to prevent you low IQ inbred racists from doing the evil that is your nature.

  66. @Dtbb
    First thing I thought reading this too. What a maroon!

    What a maroon!

    I believe the proper term is octaroon.

  67. Crafty Beaver, that’s quite a name.

    Also, nooses make Tank think of the recent Coan Brothers movie where one guy says to the other, “first time?”

  68. When this whole nonsense got started it reminded me of something I read by John Ehrlichman decades ago it seem . The Nixon WH felt that the medias coverage of the Vietnam war was too biased and he made a trip to NY to try to convince the people at CBS news to tone it down . At the time Dan Rather was the evening news anchor and there were rumors that he was going to be replaced . Ehrlichman said that Rather started his own rumor that he , Ehrlichman , had come to NY to get him fired . After that CBS couldn’t fire him and so Ehrlichman thought it was amusing that he had saved Rather’s job .

  69. WHen I first saw the pictures of the brothers, I thought that this might be a barbed way toward this gay dude “exploring” some kink fantasy. I bet he was honestly contemplating this option .

  70. @Anon
    I'm waiting for a reaction of Robin Roberts of Nightline.

    I just watched part of that interview, and I think that it was a big mistake on his part. He comes off as a psychopath just lying to her face like that, crying and so on. Had he not done the interview he could pass himself off as a garden-variety anti-social narcissistic liar and general asshole, someone who might be forgiven somewhere down the line.

    I'm also nonplussed by stupid his plot is. All criminal plots are stupid, but this one:

    -- Relied on two guys keeping quiet who don't seem like they would be that motivated to keep quiet (I guess the manager and choreographer were not in on it? If they were, even worse), and who would be blackmailing him forever ... no more extra gigs would produce a falling out

    -- Too many records to cause trouble: cameras, plane tickets, phone calls, receipts

    -- No real injury to him, no damage to his cell phone, intact sandwich

    -- Is the fake ransom-note-style letter part of it? If so, it brought the feds into the case, which you want to avoid

    One sign of a fake white on black hate crime is that you can recognize the projection. White people in the 21st century do not think about nooses that much. They do not associate nooses with racism. Nooses are Saddam Hussein and maybe old western movies on cable. Blacks are brainwashed by constant "last 50 years didn't happen" lynching paranoia. Maybe young progressives who take grievance studies are also. But right wingers don't take those college courses and thus are not noose aware.

    I think this applies to MAGA hat obsession also. For other targets, swatztikas. Jews are super into swatztikas, much more than anti-Semitic guys.

    In general, look at the weird stereotypes that the left has and if they occur in a hate crime, it's evidence of a possible hoaz.

    One sign of a fake white on black hate crime is that you can recognize the projection. White people in the 21st century do not think about nooses that much.

    Five Miami firemen got booted for displaying nooses near a black fireman’s locker. The dastardly five were mostly white Hispanic. I guess they never got the memo…….about the most protected class in the USA.
    https://tinyurl.com/yyqkz5p2

  71. And right on cue Conservative Inc starts attacking the right

    S.E. Cupp
    @secupp
    The giddiness among Trumpsters over the Smollett news is gross. This story is awful. He allegedly abused police resources, exploited raw divisions in this country, and made it harder for every victim of a hate crime to report. This is sad no matter your politics.
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  72. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    What’s wrong with white people?

    They think it’s a virtue to shill for wealthy individuals and corporations rather than their own interests. Even in these comments not a single person (except me) is actually interested in the kinds of reforms that would fix the problems with the media and universities that create these hoaxes. People are just interested in gloating about how much more intelligent they are than the various high profile people who supported Smollett (itself a fallacy because lots of Smollett’s supporters didn’t believe him and becuase the people here are going to inherently be more skeptical of claims like his for reasons of political alignment that have nothing to do with intelligence).

  73. Anonymous[732] • Disclaimer says:

    Poor Jussie.
    Instead of opting for brawn over brains, and going with a pair of Nigerian hunks (there’s a reason these bit-players were just bit-players in his tv show), he should’ve recruited black performing-artists who can keep up a false story under heavy questioning from hardened cynics.
    The Virginia Governor and his Attorney General for instance.
    Jussie wasted his artistic genius, and all his planning and effort, just to give a homoerotic thrill to his performance-art ‘lynching’.

  74. If this was a mass shooting rather than a hate hoax, every newspaper in the country would have a side box with the top 10 or most recent 10 shootings to illustrate the depth of the problem.

    Is there any chance that ANY newspaper prints a top 10 hate hoax listing?

  75. > What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it?

    Even as we speak, NYT reporter Sopan Deb is digging into this very issue, being very careful with the known facts, given how many journalists have gotten things wrong on this story. Sic. He’ll be sure to let us know, when the time is right.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    Sopan Deb even included the word hoax in his latest story about the case. It must have pained him to do that.
  76. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    I think it’s long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there’s something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it?

    Agree.

    It is a feedback loop that has gone haywire.

    We were told if we apologize for past transgressions; pay compensation; then the oppressed would rise up, perform, and become equals. But the equality thing never happens, so ever more apologies and compensations are demanded.

    If you want a vision of the future, imagine a hate hoax
    stamping on a White face –
    forever.

  77. Why are Nigerian immigrants being imported LEGALLY into America?

    Answer:

    1)So they can vote the Historic Native Born White American Majority into a violently persecuted White Racial Minority…..within the borders of America…

    2)So that they engage in hate crime hoaxes against Working Class White Males to set Working Class White Males up for violent racial racial assualts…

    Asians…the model immigrants….are being imported LEGALLY into America so they can become Federal Judges who issue rulings stating that shutting down Nonwhite Legal Immigration IS RACIST!!! because it violates the Equal Protection Clause of The US Constitution…….MUH CONSTITUTION!!!!…..Chinese “American” version…..

    1965…..1965….1965….1965….1965….1965….1965…1965…1965….1965…1965….1965…1965…1965…

  78. @Almost Missouri
    I know Steve hopes this will be the hate hoax that finally forces the MSM to acknowledge that hate hoaxes exist. I hope so too. But it may be the hate hoax that convinces the MSM that they can still dictate The Narrative no matter how adverse the facts are.

    They're already test marketing lines such as GQ's:

    “While its veracity isn’t confirmed, its sentiment needs no fact-check.”
     

    …no matter how adverse the facts are.

    This.

    Narrative uber alles.

  79. @Anon1
    Nigeria isn't sending its best.

    Though some of them, I assume, are good people.

    nigerians doing hoaxes americans wont do, all that spam fraud talent lying fallow instead of enriching left wing fake news sites

  80. How idiotic are the plot lines of Empire? Did Jussie confuse those twists and turns with the sorts of things that happen in real life?

    Jussie must have believed that his Nigerian MAGA KKK henchmen would keep every square inch of their skin covered for the entire duration of the caper. Seems like a lot to ask.

    Browsing tvtropes.com might have saved Mr. Smollett some embarrassment. If he has anything to be embarrassed about, that is. “I Believe Jussie” could still turn out to be a winning name for a rock band.

  81. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:

    I liked the “hate hoax” meme it was catchy to get them to notice the pattern etc. But in the past couple weeks i come to realize they are going to flip the script and say hey you cant send a gay black man to prison for just a little hoax hoaxes are pranks, jokes, already one fake newscaster has used the phrase misreporting.
    These are to borrow a phrase from zog, blood libels they are actual hate crimes like false rape acusations they might easily have put some unlucky fellow in prison to be raped and murdered, even if that doesn’t happen they are intended to materially libel an entire group for gain both personal and tribal/political. They ought to carry at least the same penalty as a person convicted of doing the fraudulant crme would have gotten but actually they ought to carry that plus sentence because they are aimed at an entire group.
    steve said be ready I think we ought to push for hate crime prosecution and any thing else that can be piled on this is like the fourth one this quarter

  82. There were many red flags to begin with, especially since Chicago has surveillance cameras everywhere and Smollett refused to give up his phone records.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too. Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out. When the situation is indeed other than a hoax, nary a peep from them. The story goes down the rabbit hole.

    In a similar fashion, just because this situation was reported as a hoax does not mean that people should not seek to clarify if it was a hoax. Of course, the MSM and SJWs will say it AUTOMATICALLY occurred without letting matters fully play out. When the situation becomes one that it is a hoax, nary a peep from them.

    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence (“hate” crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false. It’s click bait. It serves as fodder for news stories and blogs. So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says “Fake News”. When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says “we’re misled, we’re sorry”.

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Whether it be a “regular” crime or a “hate” crime is not the point. So take each case on its merits, wait a week for it to all play out, and then make the call.

    That is normie thing to do.

    • Disagree: neutral, Hail
    • LOL: R.G. Camara
    • Troll: ic1000, Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @anon
    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too.

    No, of course not. It's the fact that all similar stories are hoaxes that prove that all these stories are hoaxes.

    So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says “Fake News”. When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says “we’re misled, we’re sorry”.

    Yeah, and we're usually right. Remember those bomb threats to all those Jewish community centers? Remember those Jewish cemeteries getting vandalized? Remember Ilhan Omar getting her hijab ripped off in a taxi in Washington DC? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

    Also. The MSM has never once said they were sorry.

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation.

    Right, and if you look at the statistics, it's usually the white guys in Trump hats getting beaten up by black people.

    That is normie thing to do.

    You say "normie" like it's a good thing.

    Now go away.
    , @Sean
    https://www.icenews.is/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/slide_345601_3618740_free-700x523.jpg
    , @Anon87
    When have conservatives or "alt-right" been wrong lately? Pat Buchanan writing articles buying into a hoax while Mel Gibson tweets condolences and Fox News gives weepy interviews? Then rabbit holing it when they are wrong?

    It isn't normal to say both sides do it when one side is beyond guilty. 2019 being a banner year for hoaxes already.

    Your premise is verging on a hoax itself.
    , @jb
    Any individual incident can be dismissed as atypical, because it's one out of many, and maybe the others are different. What can't be dismissed here is the gullible reaction of the media and public figures on the left, because that was pretty much universal.

    Not merely gullible, deferential! What is being demanded above all from whites these days is that they defer to blacks on any issue that involves race. It is taken as gospel that whites can be dishonest or deluded about race, but that blacks, because of their history, have a piercingly clear insight into America's racial situation that is unavailable to whites, and therefore they Must Be Believed!

    We need to establish that blacks have no such special insight. That not only can they be knowingly dishonest about their situation (like Jussie Smollett), but that they can also unknowingly delude themselves about their own situation. White people can certainly be delusional about race -- no one disputes that. We need to establish that black people can also be delusional, and that their history does not give them any right to demand deference from whites.
    , @PN
    False equivalence. What "the Alt Right" reports on or not is irrelevant to the public conversation because a) it is not consumed by a large percentage of the population, and b) it is not admissible as evidence in public discourse. Democrat politicians can (and did!) call for "something to be done" when a hate crime is reported by NBC/CNN/NYT et al., but Republicans cannot (and do not) do anything because of hate hoaxes reported in Breitbart. We aren't even aware of what percentage of reported hate crimes actually end up being crimes and what percentage end up being hoaxes. Do you know? I don't. It certainly seems like pertinent information when assessing how to deal with this issue. The media organs which should inform us on this seem to fail miserably - including the allegedly "conservative" media.

    The pressing problem is that hoaxes and lies are allowed to influence policy-making and color Americans' perception of the way their society operates, whereas underestimations of "hate" are simply irrelevant on both scores It is harmful to our society that there is a large percentage of Americans going around thinking that "hands up don't shoot" is based on a real thing. Most of our media aids and abets this situation. Saying "hey both sides make this mistake," while perhaps true, is trivial. Our blind spot affects nothing. Theirs is currently being used to "make lynching a federal crime."

    When you can show me legislation being proposed based on people *underestimating* the number of "hate crimes" I'll give further thought on the matter. In the meantime, I *will* get excited because this is a hate hoax and people need to be aware that hate hoaxes are a real thing. This is a learning opportunity for Americans, don't throw cold water on it.
    , @BigDickNick
    while this *specific* incident may not have *technically* occurred it started a conversation about white supremacism and that's what's important.
    , @William Badwhite

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too.
     
    Not "any and all". Just 99.7%.

    there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation.
     
    White people are frequently assaulted due to their race. Blacks are not. The rest of your sentence is either assertion or sheer stupidity.

    Since you're so fond of assigning people homework, I have an assignment for you: Find an actual hate crime perpetrated by straight whites that occurred in this century.
    , @Logan
    there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation.

    Correct. And many of those are assaults, rapes and murders committed by minorities who hate white people. But those are seldom classified as hate crimes.
    , @ic1000
    Your remarks are about 25% true, 25% dumb, and 50% fake. A bit upthread in a 4:10 pm comment:

    "As someone else pointed out, much of modern 'fake news' consists not of making up outright lies but picking and choose which facts you print and don’t print and what spin you put on them. Meanwhile, anything that the right says is held to the highest standard of literal accuracy and publicly pronounced right in the new story to be a 'lie' if it is not 100% literally true."

    Thanks, Jack D! Back to Corvinus --

    > Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence (“hate” crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false.

    False equivalence. Support your claims. Here's Google's Top 10 US newspapers by circulation.
    The New York Times / Washington Post / USA Today / Houston Chronicle / The Wall Street Journal / Chicago Tribune / Los Angeles Times / New York Post.

    Which underperformed on Smollett by being too quick to jump against the mainstream narrative? Be specific. For extra credit, same exercise with the top TV/cable news organs.

    > But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too...

    Who are you directing these patronizing remarks to? Sailer? Jack D? Anonymous commenters? Me? Be specific.

    > The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different,

    Seven weeks into 2019, I can think of three Hate Crimes that the prestige press has elevated to national prominence. Jazmine Barnes, Covington, Smollett. Links to the ones you have in mind, please.

    > Whether it be a “regular” crime or a “hate” crime is not the point.

    Then, staying in the same time frame, let's talk about Kyle Yorlets, Gregory Price, Austin Burroughs, Jack Hough, Carlie Beaudin. Or Gary Martin. The high time preference and low intelligence of these sorts of regular criminals diffuses their racist motivations -- presumably if there were no whites around when inspiration struck, they would have targeted "fellow" blacks instead. But the casual dog-bites-man nature of street-criminal anti-whitism makes it unfit news to print, as far as Sopan Deb and his Narrative-bound colleagues are concerned.
    , @fish
    Brother Corvi....will now read from the book of Jussie, chapter 3, verse 16.

    For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting. ...
     
    , @Camlost
    Ah, the wisdom of Curryvinus.
    , @Tyrion 2
    Boring. It is a hoax. It was always a hoax. The story never made sense and actors are professional liars.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story
     
    That's like calling umpires and bat boys "both sides of the ball game".
    , @Father O'Hara
    No love for Corvinus. Corvinus is Latin for schmuck.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Corvi, The media creates hate hoaxes. Watch the full tape of the encounter between Nathan Philips and the Covington Boys and see how they created a hoax right in front of our eyes.
    , @Bill Jones
    " there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different,"

    That's true. White women are cross-racially raped at a rate 6400% greater than black women.

    This appalling racism goes almost unnoticed.
    , @stretch23
    I think the distinction you are missing is that the left invented "hate crimes." Assaults of all varieties were formerly just known as crimes. But because of leftist legislation some crimes are now hatier than others.
    , @Jefferson
    "Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out."

    I read a lot about Chicago street gang culture like Simon City Royals, Gangster Disciples, Almighty Vice Lord Nation, La Raza Nation, etc so when Jussie Smollett claimed he was attacked by a White Supremacist "MAGA" gang in Chicago ofcourse I'm going to immediately call it a hoax. There are ZERO White Nationalist street gangs in Chicago, this isn't Bumbfuck Rural Montana where you might find a bunch of Alt-Right White Nationalist skinheads selling meth out of their trailer. Chicago gangbangers are 100% vibrantly diverse.

  83. Jussie’s hoax is exposed, but–Aw shucks!
    One thing unequivocally sucks:
    That two fellows so buff
    Didn’t beat him enough
    To earn thirty-five hundred bucks.

  84. @Anon
    I'm waiting for a reaction of Robin Roberts of Nightline.

    I just watched part of that interview, and I think that it was a big mistake on his part. He comes off as a psychopath just lying to her face like that, crying and so on. Had he not done the interview he could pass himself off as a garden-variety anti-social narcissistic liar and general asshole, someone who might be forgiven somewhere down the line.

    I'm also nonplussed by stupid his plot is. All criminal plots are stupid, but this one:

    -- Relied on two guys keeping quiet who don't seem like they would be that motivated to keep quiet (I guess the manager and choreographer were not in on it? If they were, even worse), and who would be blackmailing him forever ... no more extra gigs would produce a falling out

    -- Too many records to cause trouble: cameras, plane tickets, phone calls, receipts

    -- No real injury to him, no damage to his cell phone, intact sandwich

    -- Is the fake ransom-note-style letter part of it? If so, it brought the feds into the case, which you want to avoid

    One sign of a fake white on black hate crime is that you can recognize the projection. White people in the 21st century do not think about nooses that much. They do not associate nooses with racism. Nooses are Saddam Hussein and maybe old western movies on cable. Blacks are brainwashed by constant "last 50 years didn't happen" lynching paranoia. Maybe young progressives who take grievance studies are also. But right wingers don't take those college courses and thus are not noose aware.

    I think this applies to MAGA hat obsession also. For other targets, swatztikas. Jews are super into swatztikas, much more than anti-Semitic guys.

    In general, look at the weird stereotypes that the left has and if they occur in a hate crime, it's evidence of a possible hoaz.

    Do you think actors worry about coming off as psychopaths?

  85. Quick somebody get the movie rights.

    Blackkklansman II – MAGA Polar Vortex Nigerians

    Early Oscar screening in Wakanda

  86. anon[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    There were many red flags to begin with, especially since Chicago has surveillance cameras everywhere and Smollett refused to give up his phone records.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too. Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out. When the situation is indeed other than a hoax, nary a peep from them. The story goes down the rabbit hole.

    In a similar fashion, just because this situation was reported as a hoax does not mean that people should not seek to clarify if it was a hoax. Of course, the MSM and SJWs will say it AUTOMATICALLY occurred without letting matters fully play out. When the situation becomes one that it is a hoax, nary a peep from them.

    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence ("hate" crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false. It's click bait. It serves as fodder for news stories and blogs. So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says "Fake News". When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says "we're misled, we're sorry".

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Whether it be a "regular" crime or a "hate" crime is not the point. So take each case on its merits, wait a week for it to all play out, and then make the call.

    That is normie thing to do.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too.

    No, of course not. It’s the fact that all similar stories are hoaxes that prove that all these stories are hoaxes.

    So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says “Fake News”. When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says “we’re misled, we’re sorry”.

    Yeah, and we’re usually right. Remember those bomb threats to all those Jewish community centers? Remember those Jewish cemeteries getting vandalized? Remember Ilhan Omar getting her hijab ripped off in a taxi in Washington DC? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

    Also. The MSM has never once said they were sorry.

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation.

    Right, and if you look at the statistics, it’s usually the white guys in Trump hats getting beaten up by black people.

    That is normie thing to do.

    You say “normie” like it’s a good thing.

    Now go away.

  87. @Corvinus
    There were many red flags to begin with, especially since Chicago has surveillance cameras everywhere and Smollett refused to give up his phone records.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too. Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out. When the situation is indeed other than a hoax, nary a peep from them. The story goes down the rabbit hole.

    In a similar fashion, just because this situation was reported as a hoax does not mean that people should not seek to clarify if it was a hoax. Of course, the MSM and SJWs will say it AUTOMATICALLY occurred without letting matters fully play out. When the situation becomes one that it is a hoax, nary a peep from them.

    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence ("hate" crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false. It's click bait. It serves as fodder for news stories and blogs. So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says "Fake News". When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says "we're misled, we're sorry".

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Whether it be a "regular" crime or a "hate" crime is not the point. So take each case on its merits, wait a week for it to all play out, and then make the call.

    That is normie thing to do.

  88. @Almost Missouri

    "A question: What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it? Did Jussie assume that cameras cover every spot in super-high density Streeterville (near Chicago’s Navy Pier) and he just happened to pick the one place without video coverage?"
     
    Another question: If the Nigerian bros knew they were participating in a criminal hoax, why are they being let go as "innocent"?

    If they cooperated and were permanently sent back to Nigeria, I don’t have a problem with it. IMO, it is always more important to get the big fish.

    BTW, I wish someone would recreate the attack in front of the camera just so we can get an idea of how ridiculous it would look.

  89. @Trevor H.
    Looking at the brothers' exaggerated musculature, two more thoughts come to mind: one, I wonder what other paid services they've performed for Jussie? This hoax could open up some really embarrassing possibilities.

    And two, does anyone else notice that one T.D. has been AWOL lately? Methinks he's thrown Leonard Pitts over for some juicier 'centerfold' material, if you catch my drift.

    Looking at the brothers’ exaggerated musculature, two more thoughts come to mind: one, I wonder what other paid services they’ve performed for Jussie? This hoax could open up some really embarrassing possibilities.

    I suspected that myself.

  90. The perfect Hate Hoax is one that cannot be proved, one which relies solely on the victim’s testimony. A hoax that can be proved can also be disproved.

  91. How much would he have had to pay whites to do the same? Could he have even have afforded it? Or found people with questionable enough judgement?

  92. Both NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt and ABC World News Tonight (don’t know about CBS) devoted ENTIRE segments to breathlessly report this piece of Fake News, like it was some huge, momentous news story. Just like the Covington fiasco right before, The MSM can never pass up the opportunity to agitate for the cultural Marxist agenda, even before all the facts are fully checked.
    So expect another phony racism/sexism/homophobia/xenophobia controversy blasted from the MSM megaphone in about 3,2,1… They truly are the enemy of the vast majority of normal, decent Americans.

    • Replies: @Anon
    There will be another hoax the first of March, just in time for the Sunday editorials and talk shows.

    Then every 2 weeks till the first of November 2020.
  93. @Guy De Champlagne
    A question: What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it? Did Jussie assume that cameras cover every spot in super-high density Streeterville (near Chicago’s Navy Pier) and he just happened to pick the one place without video coverage?

    Were they wearing a KKK outfit? The attackers are black.

    Black masks.

  94. It’s not surprising that this was a hoax.

    What’s utterly shocking is that the Nigerians weren’t FBI informants wearing Klan hoods…

  95. You gotta wonder what a credibly “Trump inspired” hate crime would look like – whatever it is, assaulting a minor celebrity only known to a subset of middle class blacks while chanting banal slogans ain’t it. Anyone who hangs out in this part of the internet and the communities adjacent to it knows that isn’t how would-be violent racists talk.

  96. @Dtbb
    First thing I thought reading this too. What a maroon!

    The dumbest part is Jussie thinking these two maroons wouldn’t roll over on him.

  97. Team Smollet walks hard with the new statement as a proof that Hate Houx Denial is here to stay;

    “One of these purported suspects was Jussie’s personal trainer who he hired to ready him physically for a music video. It is impossible to believe that this person could have played a role in the crime against Jussie or would falsely claim Jussie’s complicity.

    At the present time, Jussie and his attorneys have no inclination to respond to “unnamed” sources inside of the investigation, but will continue discussions through official channels.”

  98. @weejax
    apparently the camera looked one direction of the compass. he picked the wrong one. doh. they probably still would have figured out the plan. i told my wife this was a hoax the minute i saw it. plus one for me.

    What are the odds that Smollett “attempts suicide” as this continues to unravel over the next 72 hours?

    • Replies: @HenryW
    I get sick to my stomach when I hear stories about dirty liars like Jussie Smollet. This country would be better off without him, don’t you think?
  99. I’m worried for Jussie’s mental health. If things begins to look really bad – police charges, loss of career, etc. – what’s the chances of a suicide attempt? And this one could even be real!

  100. @Jefferson
    The name Jussie looks like a stage name for a Black female porn star or a Black female stripper because the name Jussie looks like it would be pronounced as Juicy. Either way it's not as masculine name for a Brotha, no wonder he turned out to be Gay. Suge Knight had the good sense to drop the Marion from his name.

    Because “Sugha” doesn’t sound like a stripper at all. At least Marion was John Wayne’s name, for Christ’s sake.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    It's Suge not Sugha.
  101. This will be interesting to watch and see how it plays out.

    What turn will national coverage take? Will they ignore it, and pretend that is NOT egg on their collective faces, or admit to their mistake? I don’t expect them to begin a dialogue about jumping to conclusions in the hunt for the Great White Perp.

    Did the Duke Lacrosse scandal have any impact on this case? Unlike in NC, there was no DA ready to bring justice with rope and fire here, pronouncing guilt before the trial, or anything like it. I’ll admit, it’s hard to imagine the police handling the case any more professionally than what I saw here.

    I’ve not watched a single episode of Empire, but I’m looking forward to seeing how they handle this. An accidental death which doesn’t require the actor to even show up would be best, I think. After all, the number one symptom of heart disease is sudden death.

  102. Anon[849] • Disclaimer says:

    If this were caught on video it wouldn’t have mattered, because the assailants were black. What were the Nigerians going to do, cover up every centimeter of skin? That in itself would look suspicious. The video, if released, would have been scrutinized by millions. There is no scenario in which this doesn’t end up making Smollett look like a fool. It’s the typical prog-lib hubris we see again and again, they live in their bubble, think everyone agrees with their narrative, and work in fluffy liberal occupations that are so far away from reality that they don’t need to have basic common sense in order to get by.

  103. @weejax
    apparently the camera looked one direction of the compass. he picked the wrong one. doh. they probably still would have figured out the plan. i told my wife this was a hoax the minute i saw it. plus one for me.

    You forgot to say “First!” 🙂

  104. @Corvinus
    There were many red flags to begin with, especially since Chicago has surveillance cameras everywhere and Smollett refused to give up his phone records.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too. Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out. When the situation is indeed other than a hoax, nary a peep from them. The story goes down the rabbit hole.

    In a similar fashion, just because this situation was reported as a hoax does not mean that people should not seek to clarify if it was a hoax. Of course, the MSM and SJWs will say it AUTOMATICALLY occurred without letting matters fully play out. When the situation becomes one that it is a hoax, nary a peep from them.

    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence ("hate" crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false. It's click bait. It serves as fodder for news stories and blogs. So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says "Fake News". When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says "we're misled, we're sorry".

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Whether it be a "regular" crime or a "hate" crime is not the point. So take each case on its merits, wait a week for it to all play out, and then make the call.

    That is normie thing to do.

    When have conservatives or “alt-right” been wrong lately? Pat Buchanan writing articles buying into a hoax while Mel Gibson tweets condolences and Fox News gives weepy interviews? Then rabbit holing it when they are wrong?

    It isn’t normal to say both sides do it when one side is beyond guilty. 2019 being a banner year for hoaxes already.

    Your premise is verging on a hoax itself.

  105. @Corvinus
    There were many red flags to begin with, especially since Chicago has surveillance cameras everywhere and Smollett refused to give up his phone records.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too. Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out. When the situation is indeed other than a hoax, nary a peep from them. The story goes down the rabbit hole.

    In a similar fashion, just because this situation was reported as a hoax does not mean that people should not seek to clarify if it was a hoax. Of course, the MSM and SJWs will say it AUTOMATICALLY occurred without letting matters fully play out. When the situation becomes one that it is a hoax, nary a peep from them.

    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence ("hate" crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false. It's click bait. It serves as fodder for news stories and blogs. So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says "Fake News". When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says "we're misled, we're sorry".

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Whether it be a "regular" crime or a "hate" crime is not the point. So take each case on its merits, wait a week for it to all play out, and then make the call.

    That is normie thing to do.

    Any individual incident can be dismissed as atypical, because it’s one out of many, and maybe the others are different. What can’t be dismissed here is the gullible reaction of the media and public figures on the left, because that was pretty much universal.

    Not merely gullible, deferential! What is being demanded above all from whites these days is that they defer to blacks on any issue that involves race. It is taken as gospel that whites can be dishonest or deluded about race, but that blacks, because of their history, have a piercingly clear insight into America’s racial situation that is unavailable to whites, and therefore they Must Be Believed!

    We need to establish that blacks have no such special insight. That not only can they be knowingly dishonest about their situation (like Jussie Smollett), but that they can also unknowingly delude themselves about their own situation. White people can certainly be delusional about race — no one disputes that. We need to establish that black people can also be delusional, and that their history does not give them any right to demand deference from whites.

  106. This gets even more bizarre and hilarious because of the Crafty Beaver Hardware Store angle!

  107. @Almost Missouri

    "A question: What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it? Did Jussie assume that cameras cover every spot in super-high density Streeterville (near Chicago’s Navy Pier) and he just happened to pick the one place without video coverage?"
     
    Another question: If the Nigerian bros knew they were participating in a criminal hoax, why are they being let go as "innocent"?

    They were actors paid to engage in a piece of street theater. When questioned by the police, they told the truth. They didn’t assault anyone without consent. They committed no crime so the police let them go.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    Can they at least be deported? What is "street theater" today could just as well become medicaid fraud tomorrow.
  108. “As a victim of a hate crime who has cooperated with the police investigation, Jussie Smollett is angered and devastated by recent reports that the perpetrators are individuals he is familiar with,” said defense lawyers Todd S. Pugh and Victor P. Henderson in a statement.

    “He has now been further victimized by claims attributed to these alleged perpetrators that Jussie played a role in his own attack,” the statement said. “Nothing is further from the truth and anyone claiming otherwise is lying.”

    Every time you question the victimhood of a special victim you are victimizing them further you MAGA-hat wearing racist Trumptards.

    Don’t you understand how deplorable you are?

  109. In some ways, this hoax is turning out to be a lot more interesting than I had first thought.

    I’m amazed at the amount of planning that went into this stunt only to produce something so laughably fake. Rehearsals? Actual yelling of slurs? Transmission of fluids and insertion of neck into cord?

    God, the trouble, the money, Smollett went to, and only an idiot would fail to see through it when it was reported?

    There’s gotta be a category in Guinness for something this insanely stupid. Under Comedy, not Tragedy.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
    • Replies: @Jack D
    This story got national attention and held up for weeks. Leading Presidential candidates were expressing their sympathy. Jussie became more famous than he ever was and was a heroic martyr to the Left - a latter day Emmett Till. The national press would NEVER have broken this story - it would have gone down in history as the MAGA attack against Jussie, just as if it were up to the NY Times, the Erdely version of the Jackie story would have been the definitive account. The story was too good to check.

    The only reason that it turned out differently was because the CPD is still a professional organization. It may not be long before police depts. are reduced to the same level of idiocracy as our national press.

    It's STILL not clear that Jussie isn't going to come out ahead on this story. Yes, he is going to be arrested but he will plead some kind of mental breakdown or something and will probably get probation as a first offender and maybe pay a fine for wasting police resources, or he will get a relatively short sentence. And yes, they are going to have to write him off of Empire now. But in the long run, any publicity is good publicity. Before this started, most Americans didn't know who Jussie Smollett was - I sure didn't (although he had 5 million Twitter followers). Now he is a nationally famous figure. After he gets out of jail I'll bet he will find some way to leverage his fame. Fame (even infamy) is a currency that can be converted to cash one way or another.
    , @Clyde

    I’m amazed at the amount of planning that went into this stunt only to produce something so laughably fake. Rehearsals? Actual yelling of slurs? Transmission of fluids and insertion of neck into cord?
     
    Just think of it as a Ganja driven Three Stooges episode. Jussie looks like a regular consumer and the Gym Bros too, at least for this scheme.
    , @Abe

    There’s gotta be a category in Guinness for something this insanely stupid. Under Comedy, not Tragedy.
     
    I hope people don’t think I’m being too cute when I say I think HAMLET, despite technically being a tragedy, is Shakespeare’s funniest play, certainly funnier** than almost all his grating comedies outside his very best ones like MIDSUMMER NIGHT’S DREAM or TWELTH NIGHT.

    Anyway, for some reason the “two Nigerian brothers” aspect of this farce unfailingly reminds me of the two Russian sailors in HAMLET, or maybe Hamlet’s two unlucky school chums. Perhaps a bigger literary talent than mine can follow in Stoppard’s footsteps and write a MANDINGO-CRANTZ AND OBANGO-STERN ARE WOKE for our age.


    **HAMLET
    I mean, my head upon your lap?

    OPHELIA
    Ay, my lord.

    HAMLET
    Do you think I meant country [i.e. cunt-ry] matters?

    OPHELIA
    I think nothing, my lord.

    HAMLET
    That’s a fair thought to lie between maids' legs.

    OPHELIA
    What is, my lord?

    HAMLET
    Nothing

    , @Anon
    The Nigerians should have gone to a theatrical make up store and bought a big tube of White foundation make up and powder. Maybe cover most of their lips with the white makeup. And a long straight blonde wig to stick out from their hats. Better yet, blonde beards to hide their lips.
  110. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    Nothing’s wrong with white people. The fact that the police actually did their job and weren’t afraid to report the facts shows that the tide is turning.

  111. @Robbie Z

    What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it?
     
    In his ABC News interview, he said that he pointed the detectives to the camera, only to find out the that the cameras were pointed in the wrong direction of the attack.

    Apparently the nigerian brothers also kept receipts for the rope and bleach they bought at a local store. Really sophisticated perps.

    Apparently the nigerian brothers also kept receipts for the rope and bleach they bought at a local store. Really sophisticated perps.

    Perhaps there is a federal tax credit for costs associated with hate hoaxing? I’ve never thought to look into it but it probably exists.

  112. This doesn’t sound believable. The initial reported version sounded too absurd to be true, and now this does as well. Give it a few days and see what else shakes out.

  113. Totally off topic, but this is fascinating:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/china-is-your-daddy-backlash-against-tibetan-student-s-election-prompts-questions-about-foreign-influence-1.5019648

    UT has safe spaces, a strict commitment to policing hate speech, and a solid track record of excluding students who post “vitriol” on social media. How many Chinese students will be punished for sending her death threats? I’ll give you a hint: less than one. She has 12,000 FB comments* (so far) and none of them are anonymous, but the university will not be investigating. Not now and not ever.

    When you see all problems as coming from White Privilege, it makes it hard to wrap your head around what has already happened to your university. And your country.

    *Sample comment “Ur not gonna be the president of UTSC… Even if you do, we will make sure things get done so u won’t survive a day. Peace RIP.”

  114. @Realist
    This hoax was doomed from the start. It was conceived, inacted and believed by idiots.
    'This is MAGA country'....that's some funny shit.

    Should have gone north to Halsted and boystown…

    This is Ed Buck Country !

  115. Next up: How long will Mr. Smollett keep up his insistence of innocence (a la Clinton/Weiner/Weinstein) before making a tearful confession?

  116. @Corvinus
    There were many red flags to begin with, especially since Chicago has surveillance cameras everywhere and Smollett refused to give up his phone records.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too. Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out. When the situation is indeed other than a hoax, nary a peep from them. The story goes down the rabbit hole.

    In a similar fashion, just because this situation was reported as a hoax does not mean that people should not seek to clarify if it was a hoax. Of course, the MSM and SJWs will say it AUTOMATICALLY occurred without letting matters fully play out. When the situation becomes one that it is a hoax, nary a peep from them.

    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence ("hate" crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false. It's click bait. It serves as fodder for news stories and blogs. So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says "Fake News". When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says "we're misled, we're sorry".

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Whether it be a "regular" crime or a "hate" crime is not the point. So take each case on its merits, wait a week for it to all play out, and then make the call.

    That is normie thing to do.

    False equivalence. What “the Alt Right” reports on or not is irrelevant to the public conversation because a) it is not consumed by a large percentage of the population, and b) it is not admissible as evidence in public discourse. Democrat politicians can (and did!) call for “something to be done” when a hate crime is reported by NBC/CNN/NYT et al., but Republicans cannot (and do not) do anything because of hate hoaxes reported in Breitbart. We aren’t even aware of what percentage of reported hate crimes actually end up being crimes and what percentage end up being hoaxes. Do you know? I don’t. It certainly seems like pertinent information when assessing how to deal with this issue. The media organs which should inform us on this seem to fail miserably – including the allegedly “conservative” media.

    The pressing problem is that hoaxes and lies are allowed to influence policy-making and color Americans’ perception of the way their society operates, whereas underestimations of “hate” are simply irrelevant on both scores It is harmful to our society that there is a large percentage of Americans going around thinking that “hands up don’t shoot” is based on a real thing. Most of our media aids and abets this situation. Saying “hey both sides make this mistake,” while perhaps true, is trivial. Our blind spot affects nothing. Theirs is currently being used to “make lynching a federal crime.”

    When you can show me legislation being proposed based on people *underestimating* the number of “hate crimes” I’ll give further thought on the matter. In the meantime, I *will* get excited because this is a hate hoax and people need to be aware that hate hoaxes are a real thing. This is a learning opportunity for Americans, don’t throw cold water on it.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "What “the Alt Right” reports on or not is irrelevant to the public conversation because a) it is not consumed by a large percentage of the population, and b) it is not admissible as evidence in public discourse."

    LOL. Does not the Alt Right offer a position on such matters? Why do they seemingly get a "free pass" merely because their commentary does not reach a large audience? Furthermore, the Alt Right is part of the public discourse since their messages are made public. They are "consumed" by an audience. They are subject to being scrutinized for authenticity and accuracy in their reporting.

    "Democrat politicians can (and did!) call for “something to be done” when a hate crime is reported by NBC/CNN/NYT et al., but Republicans cannot (and do not) do anything because of hate hoaxes reported in Breitbart."

    Talk about false equivalency! If Republicans read a counter story, they assuredly have the ability to bring such details to light and insist "something to be done". They have agency.

    "We aren’t even aware of what percentage of reported hate crimes actually end up being crimes and what percentage end up being hoaxes. Do you know? I don’t."

    It's called conducting a search.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/fake-hate-crime-reports-pose-serious-problems-for-the-accused-and-actual-victims

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/12/20/hoaxes-harm-real-victims/9iIVKVrHuKpHLYEDXLrQuL/story.html

    "Saying “hey both sides make this mistake,” while perhaps true, is trivial."

    Actually, it is quite relevant to the discussion.

    "In the meantime, I *will* get excited because this is a hate hoax and people need to be aware that hate hoaxes are a real thing."

    As are actual cases of "hate crimes", those are real things as well.
  117. As I think about it, maybe there is little more intelligence to the plan than I had granted it.

    Suppose the claim in a comment above is true, that Smollett had planned for the incident to be in video under a chosen video camera, but that he had failed to realize (like a maroon) that it was pointed the wrong way.

    Suppose that in fact it had been pointed the right way, and the incident was filmed.

    Then it would probably have been a much more difficult thing to dismiss. Sure, the same a priori implausibility of some MAGA types roaming through the polar vortex in Chicago would apply. But the reality of the video would show the event, and that event would have to be explained. Sure, in the long run it would be found out, but for a while it would have some plausibility.

    The fatally stupid flaw was that Smollett didn’t have the brains to notice that the camera was facing the wrong way.

    • Replies: @Altai

    The fatal stupid flaw was that Smollett didn’t have the brains to notice that the camera was facing the wrong way.
     
    He's a TV actor, that was always somebody else's job.
    , @jb

    The fatally stupid flaw was that Smollett didn’t have the brains to notice that the camera was facing the wrong way.
     
    Cameras are often shielded in plastic bubbles, and it isn't always clear which way they are facing. Some surveillance cameras have fish-eye lenses that take in everything, but there have been times when I've taken a close look at a dark plastic bubbles and have barely been able to make out a fixed camera pointing in a specific direction.
    , @Jack D
    Absolutely - compelling video is the sina qua non of modern viral media. The cops can beat up a thousand black guys but if you get good video of them beating up ONE, then all of LA burns. As big a story as this was, it would have been even bigger, much bigger if there was a video clip they could have shown over and over of Jussie getting smacked around by the MAGA hat wearers. Too bad that Jussie was an idiot and couldn't even stage his hoax in camera range.

    Too bad for America that even an idiotic hoax cannot be seen through by our esteemed press and leaders. So far the Russians and the Chinese haven't been that good at pulling off hoaxes either. It's very hard to understand what will resonate in a foreign culture. But someday, with enough help from Chinese who have been educated here and understand American culture better, they may get good enough to pull off these things convincingly in a way that will further their goals in some major way. They can see that America has feet of clay - that it is racially divided and that the leadership and the press is too biased or cowardly to call a spade a spade and they are going to figure out how to exploit this some day, big time.
    , @Barnard
    Wouldn't it be fairly obvious that they weren't a couple of white guys from the video? It would have taken time, but it also wouldn't have been that difficult to trace their location back to a place with video footage where they weren't wearing ski masks. Also, what was the end game when the Chicago PD failed to find two white men to charge? Claim the racist CPD was covering up the crime? He is simply a stupid narcissist who came up with a really bad idea. If you read examples of fake hate crimes, most of them are not plausible stories. This fits the pattern of most, it got more attention because of Smollett's fame.
    , @Realist

    As I think about it, maybe there is little more intelligence to the plan than I had granted it.

    Suppose the claim in a comment above is true, that Smollett had planned for the incident to be in video under a chosen video camera, but that he had failed to realize (like a maroon) that it was pointed the wrong way.
     
    Which is it....is he a genius or a god damn idiot??? What does maroon, brownish-crimson color, have to do with it? Or did you mean moron?
    , @Pat Wreck
    Wha???!!!

    An actor turns out to be a moron who doesn’t even know which way a camera is pointed??!! What are the odds?
  118. @Robbie Z

    What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it?
     
    In his ABC News interview, he said that he pointed the detectives to the camera, only to find out the that the cameras were pointed in the wrong direction of the attack.

    Apparently the nigerian brothers also kept receipts for the rope and bleach they bought at a local store. Really sophisticated perps.

    They needed receipts to give to Jussie for reimbursable expenses.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Probably used their credit cards to buy the rope and hats. They did keep the hats and the rest of the rope.

    I wonder why they used bleach. Maybe because it’s less dangerous than drano oven cleaner or ammonia
  119. OT: Less-publicized from the budget deal – Federal employees are getting a 1.9% cost-of-loving adjustment retroactive to Jan 1. So federal employees, for all the earlier sob stories and teeth-gnashing, came out ahead. Had Trump signed the December agreement they would have gotten zero raise. Oh, and Trump would have gotten $1.8 billion for the border instead of $1.4 billion. And he still could have declared the emergency in February when the December resolution expired. Yep, Trump sure played this one beautifully.

  120. @candid_observer
    As I think about it, maybe there is little more intelligence to the plan than I had granted it.

    Suppose the claim in a comment above is true, that Smollett had planned for the incident to be in video under a chosen video camera, but that he had failed to realize (like a maroon) that it was pointed the wrong way.

    Suppose that in fact it had been pointed the right way, and the incident was filmed.

    Then it would probably have been a much more difficult thing to dismiss. Sure, the same a priori implausibility of some MAGA types roaming through the polar vortex in Chicago would apply. But the reality of the video would show the event, and that event would have to be explained. Sure, in the long run it would be found out, but for a while it would have some plausibility.

    The fatally stupid flaw was that Smollett didn't have the brains to notice that the camera was facing the wrong way.

    The fatal stupid flaw was that Smollett didn’t have the brains to notice that the camera was facing the wrong way.

    He’s a TV actor, that was always somebody else’s job.

  121. @Robbie Z

    What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it?
     
    In his ABC News interview, he said that he pointed the detectives to the camera, only to find out the that the cameras were pointed in the wrong direction of the attack.

    Apparently the nigerian brothers also kept receipts for the rope and bleach they bought at a local store. Really sophisticated perps.

    Well, you gotta keep the receipts for business expenses in case you get audited!

  122. @Corvinus
    There were many red flags to begin with, especially since Chicago has surveillance cameras everywhere and Smollett refused to give up his phone records.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too. Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out. When the situation is indeed other than a hoax, nary a peep from them. The story goes down the rabbit hole.

    In a similar fashion, just because this situation was reported as a hoax does not mean that people should not seek to clarify if it was a hoax. Of course, the MSM and SJWs will say it AUTOMATICALLY occurred without letting matters fully play out. When the situation becomes one that it is a hoax, nary a peep from them.

    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence ("hate" crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false. It's click bait. It serves as fodder for news stories and blogs. So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says "Fake News". When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says "we're misled, we're sorry".

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Whether it be a "regular" crime or a "hate" crime is not the point. So take each case on its merits, wait a week for it to all play out, and then make the call.

    That is normie thing to do.

    while this *specific* incident may not have *technically* occurred it started a conversation about white supremacism and that’s what’s important.

  123. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.OPom/amp/news/articles/2019-02-17/two-witnesses-back-account-rosenstein-considered-taping-ontrump

    Rod Rosenstein talked about secretly taping the POTUS with out his consent and spoke with and got the backing of 2 CABINET MEMBERS to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from office! A dually elected president!!

    This is treasonous and seditious! Rosaenstein must be indicted, this was an attempted coup!!

  124. If Joan Walsh ever updates her book, “What’s the Matter with White People,” she could add a chapter on why some white folks are so quick to believe racial attack hoaxes. Probably won’t happen. Would require a level of self awareness she lacks.

  125. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    We’ve completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.

    One of the best things I’ve read in weeks.

  126. http://www.bloomberg.OPom/amp/news/articles/2019-02-17/two-witnesses-back-account-rosenstein-considered-taping-ontrump

    Rod Rosenstein talked about secretly taping the POTUS with out his consent and spoke with and got the backing of 2 CABINET MEMBERS to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from office! A dually elected president!!

    This is treasonous and seditious! Rosaenstein must be indicted, this was an attempted coup!!

  127. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    Brainwashed from day one.

  128. From Sopan Deb’s Twitter stream:

    Most outlets reported exactly what was happening as it was happening. The CPD said publicly for weeks they weren’t doubting Smollett’s story. And somehow, this is the media’s fault for reporting stuff accurately?

    Right, because the job of reporters is to reprint verbatim what government officials are telling them and never question it.

    It you really read what the CPD was saying, there were two things going on:

    1. They were trying to lure Smollett into further perjuring himself and giving up more incriminating evidence (such as his cell phone) while not letting him know what they knew.

    2. The CPD brass were being careful not to get Watsoned by the Left until they had the case against Smollett locked up – “What, you don’t believe this proud gay black man, you white cop racists, you?” It’s hard to complete an investigation if you have been Watsoned out of your job and posthumous rehabilitation really isn’t the best kind.

    And if you read between the lines of the CPD statements, they were actually weasel worded and a lot less definitive than Sopan would have you believe. A lot of the MSM reporting consisted of taking intentionally ambiguous statements and reading them in the best possible light for Jussie.

    Meanwhile, the local reporters (backed up by leaks from their sources at street level in CPD) had no problem with accurate reporting – it was only the national prestige media such as the NY Times that kept cherry picking only the information that made Smollett look like he was really a victim.

    As someone else pointed out, much of modern “fake news” consists not of making up outright lies but picking and choose which facts you print and don’t print and what spin you put on them. Meanwhile, anything that the right says is held to the highest standard of literal accuracy and publicly pronounced right in the new story to be a “lie” if it is not 100% literally true.

    • Replies: @res

    A lot of the MSM reporting consisted of taking intentionally ambiguous statements and reading them in the best possible light for Jussie.
     
    This captures an astonishing amount of MSM output in the Current Year. You see the same phenomenon with their reporting on scientific papers. The paper authors give non-narrative conformant information in the paper body (or even better, in the supplementary material), but include more narrative conformant ambiguous statements in the abstract which are then reported by the MSM (and disturbingly frequently, by citing papers!) in the strongest possible narrative conformant terms.

    I wonder if we will find out any more details of how the CPD handled this case. It would be very interesting to know how different levels of the CPD approached it. For instance, more on Eddie Johnson's (the superintendent) role. This comment might give some clues about that: http://www.unz.com/isteve/retired-usain-bolt-ties-nfl-40-yard-dash-record-of-4-22-seconds/#comment-3021750

    Will the CPD cops who made this happen be rewarded or punished?
    , @Almost Missouri
    There may also have been something of a schism between the street-level officers and patrolmen versus the executive-level: police commissioner etc.

    The CPD police commissioner, Eddie "Special Ed" Johnson, is a notoriously corrupt dummy, who very likely would have been happy to let Smollett's fake and gay "hate crime" become etched in stone, and probably instructed his media office to issue a stream of Smollett-friendly statements. Meanwhile, the beat cops who knew the actual score were giving tactical leaks to local beat reporters, resulting in the curiously schizophrenic news cycles coming from Chicago.

    The prestige press cherry-picked pro-Smollett statements right up to last second, leaving their readers stunned and suspicious when the story suddenly collapsed, while more sensible people wondered why it took so long to establish the obvious.

    It is notable that a major new blood libel against regular Americans was promoted by the major news organizations, the entertainment world, most of the leadership of the Democrat party, and the upper echelons of local law enforcement. This conspiracy to engender genocide was only averted by a thin blue line of beat cops keeping the embers of sanity glowing through the last three weeks. Will the thin blue line hold up next time, under the assault of global oligopoly? Unfortunately, we'll probably find out, and any of us may become the genuine victim when it fails.
    , @Alec Leamas

    From Sopan Deb’s Twitter stream:

    Most outlets reported exactly what was happening as it was happening. The CPD said publicly for weeks they weren’t doubting Smollett’s story. And somehow, this is the media’s fault for reporting stuff accurately?
     
    Right, because the job of reporters is to reprint verbatim what government officials are telling them and never question it.

    It you really read what the CPD was saying, there were two things going on:

    1. They were trying to lure Smollett into further perjuring himself and giving up more incriminating evidence (such as his cell phone) while not letting him know what they knew.

    2. The CPD brass were being careful not to get Watsoned by the Left until they had the case against Smollett locked up – “What, you don’t believe this proud gay black man, you white cop racists, you?” It’s hard to complete an investigation if you have been Watsoned out of your job and posthumous rehabilitation really isn’t the best kind.
     
    Is Sopan Deb's babe in the woods routine sincere or is he just incredibly stupid?

    CPD was not going to give Smollett an excuse not to cooperate - saying publicly "we still consider Smollett a victim" deprives him of the excuse to refuse to give access to evidence when asked. If they had said "our experienced detectives think this guy is full of soup and lots of the details don't check out but we don't have the evidence to prove that the whole thing is a hoax yet" it would have given Smollett the excuse to deflect the attention and rail against the "racist white cops who don't protect black bodies when they're not busy breaking them" or some nonsense.
  129. @Guy De Champlagne
    A question: What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it? Did Jussie assume that cameras cover every spot in super-high density Streeterville (near Chicago’s Navy Pier) and he just happened to pick the one place without video coverage?

    Were they wearing a KKK outfit? The attackers are black.

    Were they wearing a KKK outfit? The attackers are black.

    Maybe, as a precaution, they were wearing hoodies. I understand that hoodies became fashionable in the ghetto to fool surveillance cameras … no face, no case when they robbed local convenience stores.

  130. I’m really hoping some smartass lawyers like the ones pursuing lawfare on behalf of the Covington Catholic Boys, hammer ol Jussie, (which, by the way, is an idiotic name), for inciting racial hatred. Isn’t there some way we can use their own rules against them, to make an example of what happens when you accuse whites?

  131. @Anon1
    Nigeria isn't sending its best.

    Though some of them, I assume, are good people.

    I don’t really blame the Nigerians. It’s easy for people to sit on their high horses and condemn, but until you’ve been offered thousands of dollars for something like this, you can’t really judge. It’s not like they actually harmed anyone.

    Smollett IMO deserves 100% of the blame for this.

    • Agree: sayless
  132. @Gannet
    How much will Jussie's career suffer? He's a liar and a hate-mongerer, but a hate-mongerer against the right people, in the eyes of much of the media. I suppose woke types will rationalize his hoax as a "misguided but well-intentioned attempt to bring awareness to the black bodies that are senselessly murdered every day in Amerikkka." He might lose his current gigs, but maybe a year or two from now he'll be back in business, forgiven for what was really a noble political statement on behalf of those in our society marginalized by the white Trump Nazi power structure--or something like that.

    You are so right, but I doubt it will take a year. Smollet is entitled to fight the power of homophobic racism by any means necessary.
    It is the duty of every woke citizen.

  133. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    Lol, I imagine the whites who most fervently buy into SJW politics are the ones least likely to have had ancestors who even met people from other races, let alone acted racistly.

    The descendants of slaveowners (with some notable exceptions, like the execreble Anderson Cooper) are relatively unlikely to buy into this SJW fanaticism.

  134. @candid_observer
    In some ways, this hoax is turning out to be a lot more interesting than I had first thought.

    I'm amazed at the amount of planning that went into this stunt only to produce something so laughably fake. Rehearsals? Actual yelling of slurs? Transmission of fluids and insertion of neck into cord?

    God, the trouble, the money, Smollett went to, and only an idiot would fail to see through it when it was reported?

    There's gotta be a category in Guinness for something this insanely stupid. Under Comedy, not Tragedy.

    This story got national attention and held up for weeks. Leading Presidential candidates were expressing their sympathy. Jussie became more famous than he ever was and was a heroic martyr to the Left – a latter day Emmett Till. The national press would NEVER have broken this story – it would have gone down in history as the MAGA attack against Jussie, just as if it were up to the NY Times, the Erdely version of the Jackie story would have been the definitive account. The story was too good to check.

    The only reason that it turned out differently was because the CPD is still a professional organization. It may not be long before police depts. are reduced to the same level of idiocracy as our national press.

    It’s STILL not clear that Jussie isn’t going to come out ahead on this story. Yes, he is going to be arrested but he will plead some kind of mental breakdown or something and will probably get probation as a first offender and maybe pay a fine for wasting police resources, or he will get a relatively short sentence. And yes, they are going to have to write him off of Empire now. But in the long run, any publicity is good publicity. Before this started, most Americans didn’t know who Jussie Smollett was – I sure didn’t (although he had 5 million Twitter followers). Now he is a nationally famous figure. After he gets out of jail I’ll bet he will find some way to leverage his fame. Fame (even infamy) is a currency that can be converted to cash one way or another.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Agree. And remember that to this day there are people who still believe that Tawana Brawley really was abducted, raped smeared with feces and tossed away in a trash bag by a secret cabal of white racist police and prosecutors.
    , @ACommenter

    And yes, they are going to have to write him off of Empire now. But in the long run, any publicity is good publicity. Before this started, most Americans didn’t know who Jussie Smollett was – I sure didn’t (although he had 5 million Twitter followers).
     
    yes he will but the kid in the maga hat who did nothing will be subject to two minutes of hate the rest of his life..
    , @Realist

    After he gets out of jail...
     
    LOL
    , @Anon
    He’ll get a 10 million advance for a book deal. His Dad being a sensible Jew will convince him to buy some decent commercial and residential estate managed by a sound professional management company with the advance and Jussie will be set for life

    The autobiography will be one long weep and wail about his mom’s slave ancestors persecution of Jewish ancestors in Russia growing up a black gay. Hopefully we’ll never hear about him again except when his book pops up on amazon for $2.00 brand new.
  135. @candid_observer
    As I think about it, maybe there is little more intelligence to the plan than I had granted it.

    Suppose the claim in a comment above is true, that Smollett had planned for the incident to be in video under a chosen video camera, but that he had failed to realize (like a maroon) that it was pointed the wrong way.

    Suppose that in fact it had been pointed the right way, and the incident was filmed.

    Then it would probably have been a much more difficult thing to dismiss. Sure, the same a priori implausibility of some MAGA types roaming through the polar vortex in Chicago would apply. But the reality of the video would show the event, and that event would have to be explained. Sure, in the long run it would be found out, but for a while it would have some plausibility.

    The fatally stupid flaw was that Smollett didn't have the brains to notice that the camera was facing the wrong way.

    The fatally stupid flaw was that Smollett didn’t have the brains to notice that the camera was facing the wrong way.

    Cameras are often shielded in plastic bubbles, and it isn’t always clear which way they are facing. Some surveillance cameras have fish-eye lenses that take in everything, but there have been times when I’ve taken a close look at a dark plastic bubbles and have barely been able to make out a fixed camera pointing in a specific direction.

  136. @Robbie Z

    What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it?
     
    In his ABC News interview, he said that he pointed the detectives to the camera, only to find out the that the cameras were pointed in the wrong direction of the attack.

    Apparently the nigerian brothers also kept receipts for the rope and bleach they bought at a local store. Really sophisticated perps.

    Apparently the nigerian brothers also kept receipts for the rope and bleach they bought at a local store. Really sophisticated perps.

    What will actually happen to the Nigerians? Do they get to keep the money? Seems like they may come out of this pretty well–at least once they threw Jussie under the bus.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    It's not illegal to be hired to play a role in some street theater. Smollett is in no position to ask for his money back. Will they ever get the last $500 that they were promised? No, but they are now famous and this will be good for their careers.
    , @GermanReader2
    It's hilarious that jussie smollett couldn't see that the street camera pointed in the opposite direction even though he was an actor.
    , @utu
    The should be charged and deported.
    , @Dtbb
    That money is gone. 3000 went to Nigerian whores and whiskey. The rest they just blew.
    , @athEIst
    Do they get to keep the money?

    They should get credit for the bleach and rope.
  137. @PhysicistDave
    When Oprah was conned by the author James Frey, she had enough class to express her outrage and dismay.

    How many of those on the Left who were conned by Smollett will show the same amount of sense?

    Zero.

  138. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it?

    It’s human rights, white guys. The god morphed into a beetle-faced, pregnant hermaphrodite while you were admiring yourselves. It no longer looks like Voltaire or Thomas Jefferson. So sorry.

    • LOL: Abe
  139. @candid_observer
    As I think about it, maybe there is little more intelligence to the plan than I had granted it.

    Suppose the claim in a comment above is true, that Smollett had planned for the incident to be in video under a chosen video camera, but that he had failed to realize (like a maroon) that it was pointed the wrong way.

    Suppose that in fact it had been pointed the right way, and the incident was filmed.

    Then it would probably have been a much more difficult thing to dismiss. Sure, the same a priori implausibility of some MAGA types roaming through the polar vortex in Chicago would apply. But the reality of the video would show the event, and that event would have to be explained. Sure, in the long run it would be found out, but for a while it would have some plausibility.

    The fatally stupid flaw was that Smollett didn't have the brains to notice that the camera was facing the wrong way.

    Absolutely – compelling video is the sina qua non of modern viral media. The cops can beat up a thousand black guys but if you get good video of them beating up ONE, then all of LA burns. As big a story as this was, it would have been even bigger, much bigger if there was a video clip they could have shown over and over of Jussie getting smacked around by the MAGA hat wearers. Too bad that Jussie was an idiot and couldn’t even stage his hoax in camera range.

    Too bad for America that even an idiotic hoax cannot be seen through by our esteemed press and leaders. So far the Russians and the Chinese haven’t been that good at pulling off hoaxes either. It’s very hard to understand what will resonate in a foreign culture. But someday, with enough help from Chinese who have been educated here and understand American culture better, they may get good enough to pull off these things convincingly in a way that will further their goals in some major way. They can see that America has feet of clay – that it is racially divided and that the leadership and the press is too biased or cowardly to call a spade a spade and they are going to figure out how to exploit this some day, big time.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Jack, you are absolutely right. The actual grainy video of the fake attack, with the narrative that the two attackers were Trump supporters, would have replaced the Rodney King tape.
    , @Alfa158
    Our esteemed press and leaders did not see through the idiotic hoax because they did not want to see through it. They didn’t care whether or not it was a hoax because even if it was, from their standpoint it was a hoax that illustrated the “real” truth. Even now they are struggling mightily to avoid seeing it and will memory hole it as soon as possible. It will re-emerge in a few years as a legend about how the evil racist MagaMen tried to subjugate oppressed people before they were defeated and the US was placed back on the path of Justice (no pun intended). The only thing they will learn is that hoaxes have to be more carefully constructed, this one fell apart despite the Herculean efforts of everyone who really matters to sustain it.
  140. @Robbie Z

    What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it?
     
    In his ABC News interview, he said that he pointed the detectives to the camera, only to find out the that the cameras were pointed in the wrong direction of the attack.

    Apparently the nigerian brothers also kept receipts for the rope and bleach they bought at a local store. Really sophisticated perps.

    To be fair, I have bleach and rope. In fact, at the moment I have bleach and rope in my car.

  141. @res

    Apparently the nigerian brothers also kept receipts for the rope and bleach they bought at a local store. Really sophisticated perps.
     
    What will actually happen to the Nigerians? Do they get to keep the money? Seems like they may come out of this pretty well--at least once they threw Jussie under the bus.

    It’s not illegal to be hired to play a role in some street theater. Smollett is in no position to ask for his money back. Will they ever get the last $500 that they were promised? No, but they are now famous and this will be good for their careers.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    It's conspiracy to waste police time at a minimum. I'd go for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice,
    Either way I'd deport the fuckers.

    I imagine the CPD now has enough to get a warrant for the Jessie's cell phone data.

    , @Jonathan Mason

    It’s not illegal to be hired to play a role in some street theater. Smollett is in no position to ask for his money back. Will they ever get the last $500 that they were promised? No, but they are now famous and this will be good for their careers.
     
    Plus they got their vacation in Nigeria paid for, so not bad for the amount of work involved, plus, as stated, a massive boost in word of mouth name recognition, which is always handy in the "personal trainer" business.

    Fellow bodybuilder Arnold Schwarzenegger went from strength to strength after his notorious 1976 interview in Oui magazine in which he confessed to participating in a gang rape of a black female bodybuilder at a gym. (Schwarzenegger later admitted that the story was an idle boast.)
  142. @Tyrion 2
    The BBC is shockingly straightforward in its reporting of this. As the facts are damning, the objective tone is wonderfully acerbic.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47269827

    Thanks. They just keep doubling down.

    What have Smollett’s lawyers said?

    “Jussie Smollett is angered and devastated by recent reports that the perpetrators are individuals he is familiar with,” a statement from lawyers Todd Pugh and Victor Henderson said.

    “He has now been further victimised by claims attributed to these alleged perpetrators that Jussie played a role in his own attack. Nothing is further from the truth and anyone claiming otherwise is lying.”

    One of the brothers is Smollett’s personal trainer, and the lawyers said it was “impossible to believe that this person could have played a role in the crime against Jussie or would falsely claim Jussie’s complicity”.

    I had not seen the personal trainer bit in that last paragraph before.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    QUOTE: Smollett's lawyers said: "It's impossible to believe that this person ... would falsely claim Jussie’s complicity ..."

    Interesting and no doubt carefully inserted ambiguity.

    The statement implies that it is entirely understandable that he would correctly claim that Smollett was complicit in this hate hoax.

    The entire notion of "hate crimes" was carefully constructed to politicize the criminal law. It implies that, e.g. a murderer is less culpable if he killed the victim out of greed rather than racial animus.

    Also, of course, "hate crimes" are only ever charged against white defendants, never against "minorities." Even violence by one minority (e.g. Hispanics) against another (African Americans) rarely rates a "hate crime" charge in prosecutorial practice.
  143. @Corvinus
    There were many red flags to begin with, especially since Chicago has surveillance cameras everywhere and Smollett refused to give up his phone records.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too. Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out. When the situation is indeed other than a hoax, nary a peep from them. The story goes down the rabbit hole.

    In a similar fashion, just because this situation was reported as a hoax does not mean that people should not seek to clarify if it was a hoax. Of course, the MSM and SJWs will say it AUTOMATICALLY occurred without letting matters fully play out. When the situation becomes one that it is a hoax, nary a peep from them.

    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence ("hate" crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false. It's click bait. It serves as fodder for news stories and blogs. So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says "Fake News". When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says "we're misled, we're sorry".

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Whether it be a "regular" crime or a "hate" crime is not the point. So take each case on its merits, wait a week for it to all play out, and then make the call.

    That is normie thing to do.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too.

    Not “any and all”. Just 99.7%.

    there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation.

    White people are frequently assaulted due to their race. Blacks are not. The rest of your sentence is either assertion or sheer stupidity.

    Since you’re so fond of assigning people homework, I have an assignment for you: Find an actual hate crime perpetrated by straight whites that occurred in this century.

  144. @Corvinus
    There were many red flags to begin with, especially since Chicago has surveillance cameras everywhere and Smollett refused to give up his phone records.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too. Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out. When the situation is indeed other than a hoax, nary a peep from them. The story goes down the rabbit hole.

    In a similar fashion, just because this situation was reported as a hoax does not mean that people should not seek to clarify if it was a hoax. Of course, the MSM and SJWs will say it AUTOMATICALLY occurred without letting matters fully play out. When the situation becomes one that it is a hoax, nary a peep from them.

    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence ("hate" crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false. It's click bait. It serves as fodder for news stories and blogs. So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says "Fake News". When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says "we're misled, we're sorry".

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Whether it be a "regular" crime or a "hate" crime is not the point. So take each case on its merits, wait a week for it to all play out, and then make the call.

    That is normie thing to do.

    there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation.

    Correct. And many of those are assaults, rapes and murders committed by minorities who hate white people. But those are seldom classified as hate crimes.

  145. The entire justification for the double standard regarding identity politics in this country is that certain classes of people constitute “victim groups.” Yet they are privileged in the workplace, and every alleged “hate crime” against them turns out to be a hoax. At what point do clueless Whites recognize that they are not, in fact, victims of anything?

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    One would think that point would have been reached long ago... apparently cluelessness is incurable.
    , @Jefferson
    All violent crimes are hate crimes. Violence is hate. A Black guy murdered his White co-workers in Aurora, Illinois because he had hate in his heart that day not love in his heart.
  146. Maybe if Smollett had acted in more police procedurals he would have known cops would try to establish a timeline for both the alleged attackers and the victim to prove the existence of a prosecutable crime. Also, he have had his Nigerian goons hassle some other people to create witnesses. In any case, ex-prosecutor Kamala Harris should have seen this crap case for what it was. The fact that she didn’t is very scary as more incompetent POCs like her and Xavia Bercerra get put into leadership positions in law enforcement. The disgusting misprosecution of Kate Steinle’s killer clearly show the consequences for criminal justice.

  147. @Almost Missouri
    I know Steve hopes this will be the hate hoax that finally forces the MSM to acknowledge that hate hoaxes exist. I hope so too. But it may be the hate hoax that convinces the MSM that they can still dictate The Narrative no matter how adverse the facts are.

    They're already test marketing lines such as GQ's:

    “While its veracity isn’t confirmed, its sentiment needs no fact-check.”
     

    Or the snappier Ratherism: fake but accurate!

  148. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Smollett will be back on Empire next year.

    The TV show you say? No, No, No.. the local Chicago carpet company:

    https://youtu.be/X5CjEBSIRgQ

    Hey.. i would like to know how you insert photos and You Tube links.

  149. @res

    Apparently the nigerian brothers also kept receipts for the rope and bleach they bought at a local store. Really sophisticated perps.
     
    What will actually happen to the Nigerians? Do they get to keep the money? Seems like they may come out of this pretty well--at least once they threw Jussie under the bus.

    It’s hilarious that jussie smollett couldn’t see that the street camera pointed in the opposite direction even though he was an actor.

  150. Jussie Smollett =

    Just Lies, Molest

    Joust Lies Smelt

  151. @ic1000
    > What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it?

    Even as we speak, NYT reporter Sopan Deb is digging into this very issue, being very careful with the known facts, given how many journalists have gotten things wrong on this story. Sic. He’ll be sure to let us know, when the time is right.

    Sopan Deb even included the word hoax in his latest story about the case. It must have pained him to do that.

  152. What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it?

    I’ve been wondering about this the whole time. Finding the one place without video seems like 1. A heck of a coincidence 2. A lie told by CPD to shake Jussie up, or keep him guessing, or whatever (because it looked very fishy, or they otherwise had a lot of reason to doubt his story) 3. evidence of a criminal mastermind who somehow knew where all the cameras were.

    Did Jussie assume that cameras cover every spot in super-high density Streeterville (near Chicago’s Navy Pier) and he just happened to pick the one place without video coverage?

    Yeah, it does seem likely that he’d assume there would be video. I’d be tempted to speculate that he did his homework and made sure the site was covered, before staging the attack. (It would be much easier to make sure there was camera coverage, than make sure there wasn’t, IMO)

    Also, regarding the bleach, this is why I didn’t repeat the “bleach would be frozen” thing; okay, fine, the bleach would freeze, eventually, but generally it takes a while for liquids to freeze, at least at temperatures humans can survive – at the temperature at the time of the event, there was probably more than enough time for Jussie’s confederates to do the deed before it froze.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    ?
  153. @Jack D
    From Sopan Deb's Twitter stream:

    Most outlets reported exactly what was happening as it was happening. The CPD said publicly for weeks they weren't doubting Smollett's story. And somehow, this is the media's fault for reporting stuff accurately?
     
    Right, because the job of reporters is to reprint verbatim what government officials are telling them and never question it.

    It you really read what the CPD was saying, there were two things going on:

    1. They were trying to lure Smollett into further perjuring himself and giving up more incriminating evidence (such as his cell phone) while not letting him know what they knew.

    2. The CPD brass were being careful not to get Watsoned by the Left until they had the case against Smollett locked up - "What, you don't believe this proud gay black man, you white cop racists, you?" It's hard to complete an investigation if you have been Watsoned out of your job and posthumous rehabilitation really isn't the best kind.

    And if you read between the lines of the CPD statements, they were actually weasel worded and a lot less definitive than Sopan would have you believe. A lot of the MSM reporting consisted of taking intentionally ambiguous statements and reading them in the best possible light for Jussie.

    Meanwhile, the local reporters (backed up by leaks from their sources at street level in CPD) had no problem with accurate reporting - it was only the national prestige media such as the NY Times that kept cherry picking only the information that made Smollett look like he was really a victim.

    As someone else pointed out, much of modern "fake news" consists not of making up outright lies but picking and choose which facts you print and don't print and what spin you put on them. Meanwhile, anything that the right says is held to the highest standard of literal accuracy and publicly pronounced right in the new story to be a "lie" if it is not 100% literally true.

    A lot of the MSM reporting consisted of taking intentionally ambiguous statements and reading them in the best possible light for Jussie.

    This captures an astonishing amount of MSM output in the Current Year. You see the same phenomenon with their reporting on scientific papers. The paper authors give non-narrative conformant information in the paper body (or even better, in the supplementary material), but include more narrative conformant ambiguous statements in the abstract which are then reported by the MSM (and disturbingly frequently, by citing papers!) in the strongest possible narrative conformant terms.

    I wonder if we will find out any more details of how the CPD handled this case. It would be very interesting to know how different levels of the CPD approached it. For instance, more on Eddie Johnson’s (the superintendent) role. This comment might give some clues about that: http://www.unz.com/isteve/retired-usain-bolt-ties-nfl-40-yard-dash-record-of-4-22-seconds/#comment-3021750

    Will the CPD cops who made this happen be rewarded or punished?

    • Replies: @Anon
    I haven’t read them completely but I’ve seen articles claiming that the unusually cold winter is somehow caused by the coming climate change.
  154. Statement from Jussie’s lawyers

    “One of these purported suspects was Jussie’s personal trainer who he hired to ready him physically for a music video,” the statement continues. “It is impossible to believe that this person could have played a role in the crime against Jussie or would falsely claim Jussie’s complicity.”
    https://people.com/tv/jussie-smollett-denies-orchestrating-attack-police-case-shifted/

    Is this statement suppose to help Jussie? Time to get new lawyers.

  155. @candid_observer
    As I think about it, maybe there is little more intelligence to the plan than I had granted it.

    Suppose the claim in a comment above is true, that Smollett had planned for the incident to be in video under a chosen video camera, but that he had failed to realize (like a maroon) that it was pointed the wrong way.

    Suppose that in fact it had been pointed the right way, and the incident was filmed.

    Then it would probably have been a much more difficult thing to dismiss. Sure, the same a priori implausibility of some MAGA types roaming through the polar vortex in Chicago would apply. But the reality of the video would show the event, and that event would have to be explained. Sure, in the long run it would be found out, but for a while it would have some plausibility.

    The fatally stupid flaw was that Smollett didn't have the brains to notice that the camera was facing the wrong way.

    Wouldn’t it be fairly obvious that they weren’t a couple of white guys from the video? It would have taken time, but it also wouldn’t have been that difficult to trace their location back to a place with video footage where they weren’t wearing ski masks. Also, what was the end game when the Chicago PD failed to find two white men to charge? Claim the racist CPD was covering up the crime? He is simply a stupid narcissist who came up with a really bad idea. If you read examples of fake hate crimes, most of them are not plausible stories. This fits the pattern of most, it got more attention because of Smollett’s fame.

  156. @Rosie
    The entire justification for the double standard regarding identity politics in this country is that certain classes of people constitute "victim groups." Yet they are privileged in the workplace, and every alleged "hate crime" against them turns out to be a hoax. At what point do clueless Whites recognize that they are not, in fact, victims of anything?

    One would think that point would have been reached long ago… apparently cluelessness is incurable.

  157. @Robbie Z

    What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it?
     
    In his ABC News interview, he said that he pointed the detectives to the camera, only to find out the that the cameras were pointed in the wrong direction of the attack.

    Apparently the nigerian brothers also kept receipts for the rope and bleach they bought at a local store. Really sophisticated perps.

    Seems like a smart play to me. When caught: “see officer? Why would we keep all this shit around and documented, if not to say ‘why would we keep this shit around and documented? Jussie set all this up.’ when caught?”

  158. In the words of Sarah Silverman, “I don’t mean gay like homosexual or something, I mean gay like retarded.”

  159. @El Dato

    Sources said one of the brothers held the rope and poured bleach while the other wore a plain red hat and yelled slurs at Smollett.
     
    In a side alley at 02:00 when no-one is around because it's just Antarctica out there.

    And wearing a "plain red hat", it's just mysterious. There is a company logo about that.

    https://i.imgur.com/66ACoTI.png

    (Who is this Mr. Sources anyway? I have come to mistrust anything Mr. Sources says, especially in international relations.)

    One or more Chicago cops close to the investigation. Probably chosen by CPD brass.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    ???
  160. @Toño Bungay
    Mr. Sailer, my compliments. It was audacious to suggest right from the start that Smollett was putting us on. Now you may come down off that limb and enjoy a celebratory glass of Champagne.

    Disagree. Steve’s the best but he was too cautious with this one.

  161. @nebulafox
    OT: https://www.vox.com/world/2019/2/14/18221913/fascism-warning-madeleine-albright-book-trump

    "I think what differentiates fascism from other ideological movements is the use of violence and anger to achieve political ends. What you almost always see in fascist regimes is propaganda being used to set people against each other without any potential solutions to any of the problems."

    Hmm. I wonder who else has done that? Must be very difficult to think of human beings who'd resort to using violence and anger in their ideology in order to achieve their societal/political ends, it's such a rare occurrence in human history. Humans are, after all, such naturally peaceful, lovely beings.

    Maddy’s confused. Violence born of fascism is directed against external enemies, an unforgivable sin. Violence born of communism is directed against internal enemies, which is wholesome and good.

    That’s the distinction. The use of violence and anger to achieve political ends isn’t a problem for Maddy; if it were, she’d be talking about communism, which has a far more extensive record in this regard than fascism does. That’s part of why communism is so much worse – it takes much longer to run out of internal enemies.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    ??
  162. Trump should now retweet dramatic reactions to this “lynch”, especially ones referencing “Trump’s America”.

    Sad!

  163. @Jack D
    From Sopan Deb's Twitter stream:

    Most outlets reported exactly what was happening as it was happening. The CPD said publicly for weeks they weren't doubting Smollett's story. And somehow, this is the media's fault for reporting stuff accurately?
     
    Right, because the job of reporters is to reprint verbatim what government officials are telling them and never question it.

    It you really read what the CPD was saying, there were two things going on:

    1. They were trying to lure Smollett into further perjuring himself and giving up more incriminating evidence (such as his cell phone) while not letting him know what they knew.

    2. The CPD brass were being careful not to get Watsoned by the Left until they had the case against Smollett locked up - "What, you don't believe this proud gay black man, you white cop racists, you?" It's hard to complete an investigation if you have been Watsoned out of your job and posthumous rehabilitation really isn't the best kind.

    And if you read between the lines of the CPD statements, they were actually weasel worded and a lot less definitive than Sopan would have you believe. A lot of the MSM reporting consisted of taking intentionally ambiguous statements and reading them in the best possible light for Jussie.

    Meanwhile, the local reporters (backed up by leaks from their sources at street level in CPD) had no problem with accurate reporting - it was only the national prestige media such as the NY Times that kept cherry picking only the information that made Smollett look like he was really a victim.

    As someone else pointed out, much of modern "fake news" consists not of making up outright lies but picking and choose which facts you print and don't print and what spin you put on them. Meanwhile, anything that the right says is held to the highest standard of literal accuracy and publicly pronounced right in the new story to be a "lie" if it is not 100% literally true.

    There may also have been something of a schism between the street-level officers and patrolmen versus the executive-level: police commissioner etc.

    The CPD police commissioner, Eddie “Special Ed” Johnson, is a notoriously corrupt dummy, who very likely would have been happy to let Smollett’s fake and gay “hate crime” become etched in stone, and probably instructed his media office to issue a stream of Smollett-friendly statements. Meanwhile, the beat cops who knew the actual score were giving tactical leaks to local beat reporters, resulting in the curiously schizophrenic news cycles coming from Chicago.

    The prestige press cherry-picked pro-Smollett statements right up to last second, leaving their readers stunned and suspicious when the story suddenly collapsed, while more sensible people wondered why it took so long to establish the obvious.

    It is notable that a major new blood libel against regular Americans was promoted by the major news organizations, the entertainment world, most of the leadership of the Democrat party, and the upper echelons of local law enforcement. This conspiracy to engender genocide was only averted by a thin blue line of beat cops keeping the embers of sanity glowing through the last three weeks. Will the thin blue line hold up next time, under the assault of global oligopoly? Unfortunately, we’ll probably find out, and any of us may become the genuine victim when it fails.

    • Agree: Clyde, utu
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    This is the reality of your thin blue line.
    Coming to a city near you if Americans ever get the balls the French have.

    https://www.rt.com/news/451632-france-yellow-vests-eye-hand-injuries/
  164. @Altai

    Sources said one of the brothers held the rope and poured bleach while the other wore a plain red hat and yelled slurs at Smollett.
     
    So did he put on an accent when he was doing it? I assume the point was to be heard by witnesses? Would they not be confused by hearing a very deep Nigerian bodybuilder's voice shouting 'this is MAGA country' on the street?

    Dis be MooGOO cundry

    I wonder how Jussie understood that, unless he was quite familiar with Nigeria Speak?

  165. And this is why we need to get behind Trumps expansion of legal immigration: there are jobs that Americans just won’t do,

  166. @Jefferson
    The name Jussie looks like a stage name for a Black female porn star or a Black female stripper because the name Jussie looks like it would be pronounced as Juicy. Either way it's not as masculine name for a Brotha, no wonder he turned out to be Gay. Suge Knight had the good sense to drop the Marion from his name.

    To me Jussie is more evocative of hussy.

  167. @Jack D
    This story got national attention and held up for weeks. Leading Presidential candidates were expressing their sympathy. Jussie became more famous than he ever was and was a heroic martyr to the Left - a latter day Emmett Till. The national press would NEVER have broken this story - it would have gone down in history as the MAGA attack against Jussie, just as if it were up to the NY Times, the Erdely version of the Jackie story would have been the definitive account. The story was too good to check.

    The only reason that it turned out differently was because the CPD is still a professional organization. It may not be long before police depts. are reduced to the same level of idiocracy as our national press.

    It's STILL not clear that Jussie isn't going to come out ahead on this story. Yes, he is going to be arrested but he will plead some kind of mental breakdown or something and will probably get probation as a first offender and maybe pay a fine for wasting police resources, or he will get a relatively short sentence. And yes, they are going to have to write him off of Empire now. But in the long run, any publicity is good publicity. Before this started, most Americans didn't know who Jussie Smollett was - I sure didn't (although he had 5 million Twitter followers). Now he is a nationally famous figure. After he gets out of jail I'll bet he will find some way to leverage his fame. Fame (even infamy) is a currency that can be converted to cash one way or another.

    Agree. And remember that to this day there are people who still believe that Tawana Brawley really was abducted, raped smeared with feces and tossed away in a trash bag by a secret cabal of white racist police and prosecutors.

    • Replies: @GermanReader2
    Just like a lot of people still believe that the Duke lacrosse players were guilty.
  168. So, how is the NY Times going to make THIS one seem boring? It’s packed from top to bottom with remarkable and ludicrous details.

    So Smollott was insufficiently intelligent to create a story that would hold together over the weeks – not surprising – but you would think if there would be one thing he would be tuned into, it’s whether or not a camera is pointed in his direction.

  169. @Almost Missouri
    There may also have been something of a schism between the street-level officers and patrolmen versus the executive-level: police commissioner etc.

    The CPD police commissioner, Eddie "Special Ed" Johnson, is a notoriously corrupt dummy, who very likely would have been happy to let Smollett's fake and gay "hate crime" become etched in stone, and probably instructed his media office to issue a stream of Smollett-friendly statements. Meanwhile, the beat cops who knew the actual score were giving tactical leaks to local beat reporters, resulting in the curiously schizophrenic news cycles coming from Chicago.

    The prestige press cherry-picked pro-Smollett statements right up to last second, leaving their readers stunned and suspicious when the story suddenly collapsed, while more sensible people wondered why it took so long to establish the obvious.

    It is notable that a major new blood libel against regular Americans was promoted by the major news organizations, the entertainment world, most of the leadership of the Democrat party, and the upper echelons of local law enforcement. This conspiracy to engender genocide was only averted by a thin blue line of beat cops keeping the embers of sanity glowing through the last three weeks. Will the thin blue line hold up next time, under the assault of global oligopoly? Unfortunately, we'll probably find out, and any of us may become the genuine victim when it fails.

    This is the reality of your thin blue line.
    Coming to a city near you if Americans ever get the balls the French have.

    https://www.rt.com/news/451632-france-yellow-vests-eye-hand-injuries/

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    https://youtu.be/HlY_9cyDwv8
  170. @Trevor H.
    Looking at the brothers' exaggerated musculature, two more thoughts come to mind: one, I wonder what other paid services they've performed for Jussie? This hoax could open up some really embarrassing possibilities.

    And two, does anyone else notice that one T.D. has been AWOL lately? Methinks he's thrown Leonard Pitts over for some juicier 'centerfold' material, if you catch my drift.

    Jussie prolly paid them on numerous occasions to “console” him after his regular main squeezes stood him up on their regular date and instead went out for a night on the town prowling for some strange fresh twink.

  171. @Clyde

    Another question: If the Nigerian bros knew they were participating in a criminal hoax, why are they being let go as “innocent”?
     
    Their innocence is relative. They are 5% culpable compared to Jussie, criminal mastermind. So if Jussie gets some legal punishment, The Bros might get some, but much less. It's obvious the pumped up dudes moved at Jussie's direction.
    Plus the Pump Boys cooperated with the police and Jussie did not.
    My favorite stunt in all of this was one of the Nigerians walking on his hands on a gym's treadmill or whatever they are called these days. And in the private gym of Jussie's exclusive, high toned condo building

    I do not believe staging a fake hate crime is not illegal. Lying to the the media certainly is not. Lying about it to law enforcement is illegal. That is what Smollett did. Of course if the Nigerian brothers knew Smollett lied to the police (how could they not?) they are accomplices.

  172. @Corvinus
    There were many red flags to begin with, especially since Chicago has surveillance cameras everywhere and Smollett refused to give up his phone records.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too. Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out. When the situation is indeed other than a hoax, nary a peep from them. The story goes down the rabbit hole.

    In a similar fashion, just because this situation was reported as a hoax does not mean that people should not seek to clarify if it was a hoax. Of course, the MSM and SJWs will say it AUTOMATICALLY occurred without letting matters fully play out. When the situation becomes one that it is a hoax, nary a peep from them.

    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence ("hate" crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false. It's click bait. It serves as fodder for news stories and blogs. So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says "Fake News". When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says "we're misled, we're sorry".

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Whether it be a "regular" crime or a "hate" crime is not the point. So take each case on its merits, wait a week for it to all play out, and then make the call.

    That is normie thing to do.

    Your remarks are about 25% true, 25% dumb, and 50% fake. A bit upthread in a 4:10 pm comment:

    “As someone else pointed out, much of modern ‘fake news’ consists not of making up outright lies but picking and choose which facts you print and don’t print and what spin you put on them. Meanwhile, anything that the right says is held to the highest standard of literal accuracy and publicly pronounced right in the new story to be a ‘lie’ if it is not 100% literally true.”

    Thanks, Jack D! Back to Corvinus —

    > Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence (“hate” crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false.

    False equivalence. Support your claims. Here’s Google’s Top 10 US newspapers by circulation.
    The New York Times / Washington Post / USA Today / Houston Chronicle / The Wall Street Journal / Chicago Tribune / Los Angeles Times / New York Post.

    Which underperformed on Smollett by being too quick to jump against the mainstream narrative? Be specific. For extra credit, same exercise with the top TV/cable news organs.

    > But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too…

    Who are you directing these patronizing remarks to? Sailer? Jack D? Anonymous commenters? Me? Be specific.

    > The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different,

    Seven weeks into 2019, I can think of three Hate Crimes that the prestige press has elevated to national prominence. Jazmine Barnes, Covington, Smollett. Links to the ones you have in mind, please.

    > Whether it be a “regular” crime or a “hate” crime is not the point.

    Then, staying in the same time frame, let’s talk about Kyle Yorlets, Gregory Price, Austin Burroughs, Jack Hough, Carlie Beaudin. Or Gary Martin. The high time preference and low intelligence of these sorts of regular criminals diffuses their racist motivations — presumably if there were no whites around when inspiration struck, they would have targeted “fellow” blacks instead. But the casual dog-bites-man nature of street-criminal anti-whitism makes it unfit news to print, as far as Sopan Deb and his Narrative-bound colleagues are concerned.

    • Agree: Abe, Perspective
    • Replies: @res
    Thanks for fisking Corvinus. I don't have the patience to do it anymore.

    Your remarks are about 25% true, 25% dumb, and 50% fake.
     
    And the 25% true tends to be pretty trivial stuff (the sky is blue!) only used as a scaffold for the crap.

    False equivalence.
     
    This is his favorite fallacy currently. Some takes on his fallacies from past comments:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/social-justice-jihadis-defend-the-violence-in-berkeley/#comment-1759481
    That exchange was kind of fun, so let's include the end of it as well:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/social-justice-jihadis-defend-the-violence-in-berkeley/#comment-1761102
    , @Corvinus
    "“As someone else pointed out, much of modern ‘fake news’ consists not of making up outright lies but picking and choose which facts you print and don’t print and what spin you put on them. Meanwhile, anything that the right says is held to the highest standard of literal accuracy and publicly pronounced right in the new story to be a ‘lie’ if it is not 100% literally true.”"

    Fake News is a farce, a joke. It leads people to become patently stupid. How? Because all it takes is someone to utter that phrase, and the assumption becomes "true". A person who desires to be informed delves into the matter by perusing several sources and by astutely investigating one's own recency or confirmation biases. In this manner, the person is more likely to arrive at a more objective finding of the available facts. Instead, anything that does not automatically fit into one's crafted narrative as "fact" or "truth" becomes "Fake News". You, like the Alt Right and radical left, are falling for it. You are being duped.

    The reality is that today's news reports, whether it be the mainstream, the Coalition of the Fringes, or bloggers, write stories based on facts, which may or may not be interpreted in a way that puts "spin" on them. Mr. Sailer engages in the SAME conduct as the editors in the NYT or at the major networks--each decides what will be emphasized, deemphasized, or not covered at all. As soon as the Smollet story came out, the Alt Right spurred into action by latching onto the "hate hoax" theme. Right then and there, whatever was reported was completely false. End of story. In a similar fashion, the MSM touted the story as being totally true. End of story. Again, BOTH sides are guilty of jumping the gun. Whenever each ends up being "right", it only reinforces the notion that the opposing side was, all along, engaging in "Fake News".

    It is the dumbing down of America in real time. You are being bamboozled.

    "Seven weeks into 2019, I can think of three Hate Crimes..."

    I was talking about the past several years, not 2019. That would be a strawman on your part.

    "Which underperformed on Smollett by being too quick to jump against the mainstream narrative? Be specific. For extra credit, same exercise with the top TV/cable news organs."

    The mainstream media kept up with the story assuming it was true while the Alt Right media kept up with the story assuming it was false. But that is what happens in our modern society, both sides jump the gun, craft a narrative, bludgeon the public with that narrative, and blame the other side for being "Fake News". Now the Alt Right is "vindicated", and the mainstream media is now "chasing its tail".

    "Then, staying in the same time frame, let’s talk about Kyle Yorlets, Gregory Price, Austin Burroughs, Jack Hough, Carlie Beaudin."

    OK, so let's talk about them. What do you want to focus on?

    "The high time preference and low intelligence of these sorts of regular criminals diffuses their racist motivations..."

    Trigger words have been used. Praytell, please inform the viewing audience what evidence has the police found in each of the cases there was a "racist motivation", at least, or a "hate crime" was committed, at most. As an aside, I have never been a fan of such laws. Regardless, you have some investigating to do.

    , @Bel Riose
    Well done.

    Corvinus's M.O. is to never post a comment expressing his own opinion.

    Rather, he confines himself to commenting on other reader's posts, and a big part of his M.O. is to pedantically demand proof / citations for every statement made.

    Can't wait to see how he weasels out of YOUR request for specifics supporting his comments.
  173. @candid_observer
    In some ways, this hoax is turning out to be a lot more interesting than I had first thought.

    I'm amazed at the amount of planning that went into this stunt only to produce something so laughably fake. Rehearsals? Actual yelling of slurs? Transmission of fluids and insertion of neck into cord?

    God, the trouble, the money, Smollett went to, and only an idiot would fail to see through it when it was reported?

    There's gotta be a category in Guinness for something this insanely stupid. Under Comedy, not Tragedy.

    I’m amazed at the amount of planning that went into this stunt only to produce something so laughably fake. Rehearsals? Actual yelling of slurs? Transmission of fluids and insertion of neck into cord?

    Just think of it as a Ganja driven Three Stooges episode. Jussie looks like a regular consumer and the Gym Bros too, at least for this scheme.

    • Replies: @Anon
    The brothers didn’t get those muscles without vast injections of steroids.
  174. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    “I think it’s long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there’s something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it?”

    Yes, we are living in the midst of a Great Sorting. The millennium-long creation of inner-Hajnal whites is now being culled of those who were over-bred, misconceived and ill-formed. If not literally killed off, the 0-1 TFR of those Eloi-whites will spell their extinction by the time we reach the other end of this. The question is how much collateral damage they will cause on their way out.

    The American Empire is almost certainly toast, and good riddance to it. Most of us never wanted it. Some benefited from it, many did not. White homelands will be wrecked, some more than others. White bloodlines will be wrecked, some more than others.

    Will America and Europe become like Egypt, where a subject and mongrelized people live amongst wonders they can no longer create and can only explain supernaturally? Time—and the deeds of the coming years—will tell. The global political order will pass to China and maybe Russia.

    What about the crown of Western creation: culture and civilization? Will they still be remembered? Still understood? Still lived? It may be up to the Russians.

    • Agree: fnn
    • Replies: @Anon
    Russians have a lower tfr than us , the worlds highest abortion rate , the worlds highest rate of alcoholism , a huge heroin problem, life expectancy that is 10 years less than ours ,a long sieve like border with the Muslim world , a large muslim minority , an economy that depends on oil , and their only exports is weapons . But yeah they are on track to rule the world
    , @Realist
    Excellent points.
    , @Tyrion 2

    The American Empire is almost certainly toast, and good riddance to it
     
    Just neutrally, since history of full of both better and worse things, America probably isn't fall of the Roman Empire, it is fall of the Roman Republic. I sense that America will continue, in corpse form, as a huge and very weird supra-national state.
    , @utu

    Will America and Europe become like Egypt
     
    From Richard Nikolaus Eijiro, Count of Coudenhove-Kalergi

    The man of the future will be a mongrel. Today’s races and classes will disappear owing to the disappearing of space, time, and prejudice.

    The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its outward appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals.
     
    But there will the Führerrasse left intact:

    The general staff of both parties is recruited from Europe’s spiritual leader race [Führerrasse] the Jews.

    The main representatives of the corrupt as well as the upright brain aristocracy: of capitalism, journalism and the literate are Jews.

    The superiority of their spirit predestines them to become a main factor of the future nobility.

    Therefore a gracious Providence provided Europe with a new race of nobility through spiritual grace.
     
    , @Corvinus
    "The American Empire is almost certainly toast, and good riddance to it."

    According to who/whom? See, you are merely offering an opinion here. Yet, you believe what you say is simply true.

    Most of us never wanted it."

    OK, so who exactly is this "most of us"?

    "White homelands will be wrecked, some more than others. White bloodlines will be wrecked, some more than others."

    America only became a "white homeland" after Europeans wrecked the existing culture here!

    "The global political order will pass to China and maybe Russia."

    May, not will. We really do not know. We can only speculate.

    "What about the crown of Western creation: culture and civilization?"

    LOL. Culture and civilization is a HUMAN creation.
    , @Jefferson
    Russia is not part of Western civilization. Russia is corrupt enough to be a banana republic but without the banana republic tropical weather. Russia is Latin America level corrupt if Latin America had polar vortex weather. Russia is banana republic on ice.
  175. A lot of black Americans knew this was BS from the get go. This Youtuber, a Trump supporter, and pretty much all his callers had serious doubts, contrary to the msm talking point of believe all victims.
    The pertinent question now is ” When will Jussie enter rehab”

  176. @Jefferson
    The name Jussie looks like a stage name for a Black female porn star or a Black female stripper because the name Jussie looks like it would be pronounced as Juicy. Either way it's not as masculine name for a Brotha, no wonder he turned out to be Gay. Suge Knight had the good sense to drop the Marion from his name.

    Suge Knight had the good sense to drop the Marion from his name.

    Marion Barry had a good run with it.

  177. @PhysicistDave
    When Oprah was conned by the author James Frey, she had enough class to express her outrage and dismay.

    How many of those on the Left who were conned by Smollett will show the same amount of sense?

    Dave, James Frey is white, therefore he has agency, hence outrage. Smollett is Black, thus he has no agency, so no outrage. Simple.

  178. @Jack D
    From Sopan Deb's Twitter stream:

    Most outlets reported exactly what was happening as it was happening. The CPD said publicly for weeks they weren't doubting Smollett's story. And somehow, this is the media's fault for reporting stuff accurately?
     
    Right, because the job of reporters is to reprint verbatim what government officials are telling them and never question it.

    It you really read what the CPD was saying, there were two things going on:

    1. They were trying to lure Smollett into further perjuring himself and giving up more incriminating evidence (such as his cell phone) while not letting him know what they knew.

    2. The CPD brass were being careful not to get Watsoned by the Left until they had the case against Smollett locked up - "What, you don't believe this proud gay black man, you white cop racists, you?" It's hard to complete an investigation if you have been Watsoned out of your job and posthumous rehabilitation really isn't the best kind.

    And if you read between the lines of the CPD statements, they were actually weasel worded and a lot less definitive than Sopan would have you believe. A lot of the MSM reporting consisted of taking intentionally ambiguous statements and reading them in the best possible light for Jussie.

    Meanwhile, the local reporters (backed up by leaks from their sources at street level in CPD) had no problem with accurate reporting - it was only the national prestige media such as the NY Times that kept cherry picking only the information that made Smollett look like he was really a victim.

    As someone else pointed out, much of modern "fake news" consists not of making up outright lies but picking and choose which facts you print and don't print and what spin you put on them. Meanwhile, anything that the right says is held to the highest standard of literal accuracy and publicly pronounced right in the new story to be a "lie" if it is not 100% literally true.

    From Sopan Deb’s Twitter stream:

    Most outlets reported exactly what was happening as it was happening. The CPD said publicly for weeks they weren’t doubting Smollett’s story. And somehow, this is the media’s fault for reporting stuff accurately?

    Right, because the job of reporters is to reprint verbatim what government officials are telling them and never question it.

    It you really read what the CPD was saying, there were two things going on:

    1. They were trying to lure Smollett into further perjuring himself and giving up more incriminating evidence (such as his cell phone) while not letting him know what they knew.

    2. The CPD brass were being careful not to get Watsoned by the Left until they had the case against Smollett locked up – “What, you don’t believe this proud gay black man, you white cop racists, you?” It’s hard to complete an investigation if you have been Watsoned out of your job and posthumous rehabilitation really isn’t the best kind.

    Is Sopan Deb’s babe in the woods routine sincere or is he just incredibly stupid?

    CPD was not going to give Smollett an excuse not to cooperate – saying publicly “we still consider Smollett a victim” deprives him of the excuse to refuse to give access to evidence when asked. If they had said “our experienced detectives think this guy is full of soup and lots of the details don’t check out but we don’t have the evidence to prove that the whole thing is a hoax yet” it would have given Smollett the excuse to deflect the attention and rail against the “racist white cops who don’t protect black bodies when they’re not busy breaking them” or some nonsense.

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    Sopan Deb's last article doesn't mention the race or nationality of the brothers, and he names them (Olabinjo Osundairo and Abimbola Osundairo) 11 paragraphs into the story.

    NYT reporting at its finest.
  179. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    I rather like Porter’s description of the howling liberal mob reacting to the Smollett atrocity:

    competitive conformity

  180. @Jack D
    This story got national attention and held up for weeks. Leading Presidential candidates were expressing their sympathy. Jussie became more famous than he ever was and was a heroic martyr to the Left - a latter day Emmett Till. The national press would NEVER have broken this story - it would have gone down in history as the MAGA attack against Jussie, just as if it were up to the NY Times, the Erdely version of the Jackie story would have been the definitive account. The story was too good to check.

    The only reason that it turned out differently was because the CPD is still a professional organization. It may not be long before police depts. are reduced to the same level of idiocracy as our national press.

    It's STILL not clear that Jussie isn't going to come out ahead on this story. Yes, he is going to be arrested but he will plead some kind of mental breakdown or something and will probably get probation as a first offender and maybe pay a fine for wasting police resources, or he will get a relatively short sentence. And yes, they are going to have to write him off of Empire now. But in the long run, any publicity is good publicity. Before this started, most Americans didn't know who Jussie Smollett was - I sure didn't (although he had 5 million Twitter followers). Now he is a nationally famous figure. After he gets out of jail I'll bet he will find some way to leverage his fame. Fame (even infamy) is a currency that can be converted to cash one way or another.

    And yes, they are going to have to write him off of Empire now. But in the long run, any publicity is good publicity. Before this started, most Americans didn’t know who Jussie Smollett was – I sure didn’t (although he had 5 million Twitter followers).

    yes he will but the kid in the maga hat who did nothing will be subject to two minutes of hate the rest of his life..

  181. NPR’s coverage is probably the worst case of drive-by journalism. Nice old ladies aren’t going to dig into the story, so they take the initial headlines at face value.

    Check out the coverage by date:

    Between Jan 29th – Feb 1st, there were four stories about the “hate crime”.
    From Feb 2nd onward, not a peep. In the last three days, nothing.

    Yesterday, NPR did run a story on Chicago…about their school uniforms.

    https://www.npr.org/search?query=jussie&page=1&sortType=byDate

  182. @Corvinus
    There were many red flags to begin with, especially since Chicago has surveillance cameras everywhere and Smollett refused to give up his phone records.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too. Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out. When the situation is indeed other than a hoax, nary a peep from them. The story goes down the rabbit hole.

    In a similar fashion, just because this situation was reported as a hoax does not mean that people should not seek to clarify if it was a hoax. Of course, the MSM and SJWs will say it AUTOMATICALLY occurred without letting matters fully play out. When the situation becomes one that it is a hoax, nary a peep from them.

    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence ("hate" crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false. It's click bait. It serves as fodder for news stories and blogs. So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says "Fake News". When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says "we're misled, we're sorry".

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Whether it be a "regular" crime or a "hate" crime is not the point. So take each case on its merits, wait a week for it to all play out, and then make the call.

    That is normie thing to do.

    Brother Corvi….will now read from the book of Jussie, chapter 3, verse 16.

    For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting. …

  183. Anon[336] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    "I think it’s long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there’s something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it?"
     
    Yes, we are living in the midst of a Great Sorting. The millennium-long creation of inner-Hajnal whites is now being culled of those who were over-bred, misconceived and ill-formed. If not literally killed off, the 0-1 TFR of those Eloi-whites will spell their extinction by the time we reach the other end of this. The question is how much collateral damage they will cause on their way out.

    The American Empire is almost certainly toast, and good riddance to it. Most of us never wanted it. Some benefited from it, many did not. White homelands will be wrecked, some more than others. White bloodlines will be wrecked, some more than others.

    Will America and Europe become like Egypt, where a subject and mongrelized people live amongst wonders they can no longer create and can only explain supernaturally? Time—and the deeds of the coming years—will tell. The global political order will pass to China and maybe Russia.

    What about the crown of Western creation: culture and civilization? Will they still be remembered? Still understood? Still lived? It may be up to the Russians.

    Russians have a lower tfr than us , the worlds highest abortion rate , the worlds highest rate of alcoholism , a huge heroin problem, life expectancy that is 10 years less than ours ,a long sieve like border with the Muslim world , a large muslim minority , an economy that depends on oil , and their only exports is weapons . But yeah they are on track to rule the world

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    They also have a firm ethnic and religious majority, and they're gonna keep it that way. And hardly any internal SJW presence. So yes, their long term prospects are good.
  184. @Anon
    I'm waiting for a reaction of Robin Roberts of Nightline.

    I just watched part of that interview, and I think that it was a big mistake on his part. He comes off as a psychopath just lying to her face like that, crying and so on. Had he not done the interview he could pass himself off as a garden-variety anti-social narcissistic liar and general asshole, someone who might be forgiven somewhere down the line.

    I'm also nonplussed by stupid his plot is. All criminal plots are stupid, but this one:

    -- Relied on two guys keeping quiet who don't seem like they would be that motivated to keep quiet (I guess the manager and choreographer were not in on it? If they were, even worse), and who would be blackmailing him forever ... no more extra gigs would produce a falling out

    -- Too many records to cause trouble: cameras, plane tickets, phone calls, receipts

    -- No real injury to him, no damage to his cell phone, intact sandwich

    -- Is the fake ransom-note-style letter part of it? If so, it brought the feds into the case, which you want to avoid

    One sign of a fake white on black hate crime is that you can recognize the projection. White people in the 21st century do not think about nooses that much. They do not associate nooses with racism. Nooses are Saddam Hussein and maybe old western movies on cable. Blacks are brainwashed by constant "last 50 years didn't happen" lynching paranoia. Maybe young progressives who take grievance studies are also. But right wingers don't take those college courses and thus are not noose aware.

    I think this applies to MAGA hat obsession also. For other targets, swatztikas. Jews are super into swatztikas, much more than anti-Semitic guys.

    In general, look at the weird stereotypes that the left has and if they occur in a hate crime, it's evidence of a possible hoaz.

    “Is the fake ransom-note-style letter part of it? If so, it brought the feds into the case, which you want to avoid.”

    Yeah, if he had kept the USPS out of it, that would have been wise.

    Unfortunately for Jussie, this is the inventory of items seized under the search warrant of his home.

    Very first item: “Magazine on birdcage”

    Why would the police seize a magazine as evidence from his house? Maybe it’s not what’s in the magazine, it’s what’s not in the magazine: the headline letters of the size, shape and color of those in the postal threat.

    Fortunately for Jussie, even our supposedly MAGAfied DOJ seems to have no interest in prosecuting its enemies, only its allies.

    • Replies: @Realist

    Fortunately for Jussie, even our supposedly MAGAfied DOJ seems to have no interest in prosecuting its enemies, only its allies.
     
    White people better wake up real soon.
    , @densa
    Interesting. If the Nigerian brothers participated in the letter hoax that's a serious crime. I don't see how they could continue to be 'innocent' if that's the case... unless the DOJ has different criminal standards for immigrants.
    , @snorlax
    Items seized from the Nigerians' home, not Jussie's.
    , @Nachum
    "Wallet with stamps". Why note the presence of stamps? To see if they match...
  185. @Corvinus
    There were many red flags to begin with, especially since Chicago has surveillance cameras everywhere and Smollett refused to give up his phone records.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too. Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out. When the situation is indeed other than a hoax, nary a peep from them. The story goes down the rabbit hole.

    In a similar fashion, just because this situation was reported as a hoax does not mean that people should not seek to clarify if it was a hoax. Of course, the MSM and SJWs will say it AUTOMATICALLY occurred without letting matters fully play out. When the situation becomes one that it is a hoax, nary a peep from them.

    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence ("hate" crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false. It's click bait. It serves as fodder for news stories and blogs. So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says "Fake News". When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says "we're misled, we're sorry".

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Whether it be a "regular" crime or a "hate" crime is not the point. So take each case on its merits, wait a week for it to all play out, and then make the call.

    That is normie thing to do.

    Ah, the wisdom of Curryvinus.

  186. @ic1000
    Your remarks are about 25% true, 25% dumb, and 50% fake. A bit upthread in a 4:10 pm comment:

    "As someone else pointed out, much of modern 'fake news' consists not of making up outright lies but picking and choose which facts you print and don’t print and what spin you put on them. Meanwhile, anything that the right says is held to the highest standard of literal accuracy and publicly pronounced right in the new story to be a 'lie' if it is not 100% literally true."

    Thanks, Jack D! Back to Corvinus --

    > Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence (“hate” crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false.

    False equivalence. Support your claims. Here's Google's Top 10 US newspapers by circulation.
    The New York Times / Washington Post / USA Today / Houston Chronicle / The Wall Street Journal / Chicago Tribune / Los Angeles Times / New York Post.

    Which underperformed on Smollett by being too quick to jump against the mainstream narrative? Be specific. For extra credit, same exercise with the top TV/cable news organs.

    > But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too...

    Who are you directing these patronizing remarks to? Sailer? Jack D? Anonymous commenters? Me? Be specific.

    > The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different,

    Seven weeks into 2019, I can think of three Hate Crimes that the prestige press has elevated to national prominence. Jazmine Barnes, Covington, Smollett. Links to the ones you have in mind, please.

    > Whether it be a “regular” crime or a “hate” crime is not the point.

    Then, staying in the same time frame, let's talk about Kyle Yorlets, Gregory Price, Austin Burroughs, Jack Hough, Carlie Beaudin. Or Gary Martin. The high time preference and low intelligence of these sorts of regular criminals diffuses their racist motivations -- presumably if there were no whites around when inspiration struck, they would have targeted "fellow" blacks instead. But the casual dog-bites-man nature of street-criminal anti-whitism makes it unfit news to print, as far as Sopan Deb and his Narrative-bound colleagues are concerned.

    Thanks for fisking Corvinus. I don’t have the patience to do it anymore.

    Your remarks are about 25% true, 25% dumb, and 50% fake.

    And the 25% true tends to be pretty trivial stuff (the sky is blue!) only used as a scaffold for the crap.

    False equivalence.

    This is his favorite fallacy currently. Some takes on his fallacies from past comments:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/social-justice-jihadis-defend-the-violence-in-berkeley/#comment-1759481
    That exchange was kind of fun, so let’s include the end of it as well:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/social-justice-jihadis-defend-the-violence-in-berkeley/#comment-1761102

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    All you do is declare I have engage in fallacies without even properly explaining how and why. Keep up the good work.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    Corvinus is an obvious Hasbara / FBI plant and nothing he writes is worth reading, let alone responding to.
  187. The current Drudge Report describes Smollett as self-hating, but I’m not sure what part of Jussie, Jussie hates. It could be he’s anti-semetic, since he overaccepts his black heritage, while sidelining his Jewish heritage as if he’s ashamed of it. Then he writes/directs/acts in a cheap morality play on the streets of Chicago intended to highlight the oppression of Whites/Jews against his pitiful half-black ass. The extended irony being, if his play had been internalized by the angry black masses, a random act of real street violence could occur, featuring his Jewish parent.

    Smollett is actually attempting to potentially rouse angry black mobs who would focus on the likes of his Jewish parent for revenge.

    So again, who does Smollett hate? Black? Whites? Jews? His parents for intermixing and producing the sorry likes of him? All of the above?

    However it shakes out, this is a hate crime, pure and simple.

    Jussie Smollett should be immediately prosecuted within the full extent of local and federal law for racially motivated hate crimes. He should get jail time, and very large fines to mitigate the time wasted by our peace officers.

  188. @Almost Missouri

    "Is the fake ransom-note-style letter part of it? If so, it brought the feds into the case, which you want to avoid."
     
    Yeah, if he had kept the USPS out of it, that would have been wise.

    Unfortunately for Jussie, this is the inventory of items seized under the search warrant of his home.

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k8MBznvvSWY/XGiywAjgP9I/AAAAAAAAHD0/CZGzWd5VTQEeHLkihZrfYV_-8Vu2Y2X5ACLcBGAs/s1600/Search%2BWarrant.jpg

    Very first item: "Magazine on birdcage"

    Why would the police seize a magazine as evidence from his house? Maybe it's not what's in the magazine, it's what's not in the magazine: the headline letters of the size, shape and color of those in the postal threat.

    Fortunately for Jussie, even our supposedly MAGAfied DOJ seems to have no interest in prosecuting its enemies, only its allies.

    Fortunately for Jussie, even our supposedly MAGAfied DOJ seems to have no interest in prosecuting its enemies, only its allies.

    White people better wake up real soon.

  189. It will be interesting to see what Fox does to this lying asshole.

  190. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    India has its sacred cows. America has its sacred Negroes.

  191. and Smollett is not “black”: his father is Jewish

  192. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    Ted, nice comment, but to assume that my ancestors were racists is, well you know, an assumption.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Ted, nice comment, but to assume that my ancestors were racists is, well you know, an assumption.
     
    If you're in Buffalo, we can assume that your descendants are racists.

    My first two college roommates were from the Buffalo suburbs. I'm not wholly unfamiliar with the population.

  193. @Almost Missouri

    "I think it’s long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there’s something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it?"
     
    Yes, we are living in the midst of a Great Sorting. The millennium-long creation of inner-Hajnal whites is now being culled of those who were over-bred, misconceived and ill-formed. If not literally killed off, the 0-1 TFR of those Eloi-whites will spell their extinction by the time we reach the other end of this. The question is how much collateral damage they will cause on their way out.

    The American Empire is almost certainly toast, and good riddance to it. Most of us never wanted it. Some benefited from it, many did not. White homelands will be wrecked, some more than others. White bloodlines will be wrecked, some more than others.

    Will America and Europe become like Egypt, where a subject and mongrelized people live amongst wonders they can no longer create and can only explain supernaturally? Time—and the deeds of the coming years—will tell. The global political order will pass to China and maybe Russia.

    What about the crown of Western creation: culture and civilization? Will they still be remembered? Still understood? Still lived? It may be up to the Russians.

    Excellent points.

  194. @candid_observer
    In some ways, this hoax is turning out to be a lot more interesting than I had first thought.

    I'm amazed at the amount of planning that went into this stunt only to produce something so laughably fake. Rehearsals? Actual yelling of slurs? Transmission of fluids and insertion of neck into cord?

    God, the trouble, the money, Smollett went to, and only an idiot would fail to see through it when it was reported?

    There's gotta be a category in Guinness for something this insanely stupid. Under Comedy, not Tragedy.

    There’s gotta be a category in Guinness for something this insanely stupid. Under Comedy, not Tragedy.

    I hope people don’t think I’m being too cute when I say I think HAMLET, despite technically being a tragedy, is Shakespeare’s funniest play, certainly funnier** than almost all his grating comedies outside his very best ones like MIDSUMMER NIGHT’S DREAM or TWELTH NIGHT.

    Anyway, for some reason the “two Nigerian brothers” aspect of this farce unfailingly reminds me of the two Russian sailors in HAMLET, or maybe Hamlet’s two unlucky school chums. Perhaps a bigger literary talent than mine can follow in Stoppard’s footsteps and write a MANDINGO-CRANTZ AND OBANGO-STERN ARE WOKE for our age.

    [MORE]

    **HAMLET
    I mean, my head upon your lap?

    OPHELIA
    Ay, my lord.

    HAMLET
    Do you think I meant country [i.e. cunt-ry] matters?

    OPHELIA
    I think nothing, my lord.

    HAMLET
    That’s a fair thought to lie between maids’ legs.

    OPHELIA
    What is, my lord?

    HAMLET
    Nothing

  195. @Bill Jones
    How dumb do you have to be to pick the only two Nigerians on the planet who are no good at hoaxes?

    Bill, His defense will be that he gave them $3500 so they could free up their princely inheritance and share it with him.

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    Threadwinner.
  196. @Jack D
    This story got national attention and held up for weeks. Leading Presidential candidates were expressing their sympathy. Jussie became more famous than he ever was and was a heroic martyr to the Left - a latter day Emmett Till. The national press would NEVER have broken this story - it would have gone down in history as the MAGA attack against Jussie, just as if it were up to the NY Times, the Erdely version of the Jackie story would have been the definitive account. The story was too good to check.

    The only reason that it turned out differently was because the CPD is still a professional organization. It may not be long before police depts. are reduced to the same level of idiocracy as our national press.

    It's STILL not clear that Jussie isn't going to come out ahead on this story. Yes, he is going to be arrested but he will plead some kind of mental breakdown or something and will probably get probation as a first offender and maybe pay a fine for wasting police resources, or he will get a relatively short sentence. And yes, they are going to have to write him off of Empire now. But in the long run, any publicity is good publicity. Before this started, most Americans didn't know who Jussie Smollett was - I sure didn't (although he had 5 million Twitter followers). Now he is a nationally famous figure. After he gets out of jail I'll bet he will find some way to leverage his fame. Fame (even infamy) is a currency that can be converted to cash one way or another.

    After he gets out of jail…

    LOL

  197. Wait, Reverend Tofurky Bacon dindu rest of the sentence…’cause 140 characters rule :

    “I meant…maximum…of compassion and understanding for the real reasons that forced this tremendous, but fragile artist to go to such extremes and put his prosperous life at risk in order to show how little it takes in Trump’s America for a young, black, LGBTQ person to get not only brutally victimized, but to also get his name, and his integrity viciously dragged through the media-mud,and then- right in the aftermath of his courageous tribulations- to be continuously harassed by the cohorts of despicable white supremacists and anti-semitic homophobes raising their hateful voices from the darkest corners of the internet again…
    We all know that Smollet’s haters are all angry only because they still resent that Jussie hasn’t been lynched for real, because all that their black-hearted racist minds wished for was another black soul harmed, another black body destroyed, because they still dream of the America of even darker times where young blacks like Jussie always had to be on their knees in order to be succesful..hmm…anyway ….to each and everyone of them, today I am sending this message:

    It’s Not Over Emmett Till It’s Over”

  198. @Jack D
    It's not illegal to be hired to play a role in some street theater. Smollett is in no position to ask for his money back. Will they ever get the last $500 that they were promised? No, but they are now famous and this will be good for their careers.

    It’s conspiracy to waste police time at a minimum. I’d go for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice,
    Either way I’d deport the fuckers.

    I imagine the CPD now has enough to get a warrant for the Jessie’s cell phone data.

  199. What’s eye-opening here is how the far-left corporate media in Chicago keep reporting on this thing. It’s like—-are none of their bosses telling them to squelch the story, or only report it in very boring, very small, very buried ways? It almost seems like there’s a group revolt against the Hate Hoax in the news department here.

    I mean, there’s LOTS to report in Chicago, they could all easily get away with not talking about this and switching to, I don’t know, the crime or the corruption or how that Chicago Cubs owner is an evil racist about…Islam.

    I suppose it has to do with the celebrity factor, even though this guy was a C-lister. Outside of LA and NYC, the showbiz glamour causes people to pay attention to actors who make it known they’re in town. Jussie wanted to boost his Q rating, but botched the job with a bad Hate Hoax and did it in a town where a network-TV actor screaming bloody murder is going to be followed.

    Jussie would’ve been far better off trying this poor job in LA, where, if it had backfired, it would have been quietly dropped as the agents and network got involved and got their media puppets to talk about other things. Eddie Murphy has literally picked up a couple of tranny hookers, been caught about, it and yet, because it was in LA, its been forgotten. And there was some studio director (an Asian) who got caught working as a tranny prostitute on Hollywood Boulevard, but it, too, was forgotten. And let’s not forget Brian Singer raping all those boys….

  200. @candid_observer
    As I think about it, maybe there is little more intelligence to the plan than I had granted it.

    Suppose the claim in a comment above is true, that Smollett had planned for the incident to be in video under a chosen video camera, but that he had failed to realize (like a maroon) that it was pointed the wrong way.

    Suppose that in fact it had been pointed the right way, and the incident was filmed.

    Then it would probably have been a much more difficult thing to dismiss. Sure, the same a priori implausibility of some MAGA types roaming through the polar vortex in Chicago would apply. But the reality of the video would show the event, and that event would have to be explained. Sure, in the long run it would be found out, but for a while it would have some plausibility.

    The fatally stupid flaw was that Smollett didn't have the brains to notice that the camera was facing the wrong way.

    As I think about it, maybe there is little more intelligence to the plan than I had granted it.

    Suppose the claim in a comment above is true, that Smollett had planned for the incident to be in video under a chosen video camera, but that he had failed to realize (like a maroon) that it was pointed the wrong way.

    Which is it….is he a genius or a god damn idiot??? What does maroon, brownish-crimson color, have to do with it? Or did you mean moron?

  201. @Almost Missouri

    "I think it’s long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there’s something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it?"
     
    Yes, we are living in the midst of a Great Sorting. The millennium-long creation of inner-Hajnal whites is now being culled of those who were over-bred, misconceived and ill-formed. If not literally killed off, the 0-1 TFR of those Eloi-whites will spell their extinction by the time we reach the other end of this. The question is how much collateral damage they will cause on their way out.

    The American Empire is almost certainly toast, and good riddance to it. Most of us never wanted it. Some benefited from it, many did not. White homelands will be wrecked, some more than others. White bloodlines will be wrecked, some more than others.

    Will America and Europe become like Egypt, where a subject and mongrelized people live amongst wonders they can no longer create and can only explain supernaturally? Time—and the deeds of the coming years—will tell. The global political order will pass to China and maybe Russia.

    What about the crown of Western creation: culture and civilization? Will they still be remembered? Still understood? Still lived? It may be up to the Russians.

    The American Empire is almost certainly toast, and good riddance to it

    Just neutrally, since history of full of both better and worse things, America probably isn’t fall of the Roman Empire, it is fall of the Roman Republic. I sense that America will continue, in corpse form, as a huge and very weird supra-national state.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Personally, I date the American Fall of the Republic back to the New Deal in the 1930s. That's when the Constitutional old dispensation of liberty was first paved over by the centralized but fake new dispensation of welfare. It's not just me. I'm told the Constitution's author, James Madison, was asked in 1929 how long he expected the Constitution to last and he gave it "about a century".

    You may say that doesn't make for a very long Imperial period, but we don't know how long it will still last, and even in the slower Roman times, I would argue that the Roman Empire really only lasted until the Crisis of the 3rd century, by which time most Romans were immiserated. The temporary imperial recovery in the 4th century was just a partial resurrection of a sort zombie parody of the original empire, brought about by the willpower of a few extraordinary leaders, and which proved to have no staying power once they departed the scene.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    "I sense that America will continue, in corpse form, as a huge and very weird supra-national state."

    I hope you're right. Lots of good material there.
    , @Vinteuil

    America probably isn’t [the] fall of the Roman Empire, it is [the] fall of the Roman Republic. I sense that America will continue, in corpse form, as a huge and very weird supra-national state.
     
    Hey, the fall of the senile Roman Republic led, early on, to the Principate, and, eventually, to the Age of the Antonines.

    I fear you're way too optimistic.
  202. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    What’s wrong with white people?

    I think it’s long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there’s something seriously wrong with us.

  203. @Corvinus
    There were many red flags to begin with, especially since Chicago has surveillance cameras everywhere and Smollett refused to give up his phone records.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too. Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out. When the situation is indeed other than a hoax, nary a peep from them. The story goes down the rabbit hole.

    In a similar fashion, just because this situation was reported as a hoax does not mean that people should not seek to clarify if it was a hoax. Of course, the MSM and SJWs will say it AUTOMATICALLY occurred without letting matters fully play out. When the situation becomes one that it is a hoax, nary a peep from them.

    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence ("hate" crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false. It's click bait. It serves as fodder for news stories and blogs. So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says "Fake News". When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says "we're misled, we're sorry".

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Whether it be a "regular" crime or a "hate" crime is not the point. So take each case on its merits, wait a week for it to all play out, and then make the call.

    That is normie thing to do.

    Boring. It is a hoax. It was always a hoax. The story never made sense and actors are professional liars.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The story never made sense and actors are professional liars.
     
    Are you calling Corvinus an actor?
    , @Corvinus
    "The story never made sense..."

    You mean the story failed to make sense a couple of days later when the police were conducting their investigation into the matter, and Smollet's version came into significant question. In the meanwhile, the media on the left and on the right were having a field day, one insisting it was "true" and one insisting it was "false".
    , @Jefferson
    Per capita it does seem that celebrities are more likely to develop mental illness than the general population just look at Jussie Smollett, Charlie Sheen, Michael Jackson, etc.
  204. @Buffalo Joe
    Bill, His defense will be that he gave them $3500 so they could free up their princely inheritance and share it with him.

    Threadwinner.

  205. @Almost Missouri

    "I think it’s long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there’s something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it?"
     
    Yes, we are living in the midst of a Great Sorting. The millennium-long creation of inner-Hajnal whites is now being culled of those who were over-bred, misconceived and ill-formed. If not literally killed off, the 0-1 TFR of those Eloi-whites will spell their extinction by the time we reach the other end of this. The question is how much collateral damage they will cause on their way out.

    The American Empire is almost certainly toast, and good riddance to it. Most of us never wanted it. Some benefited from it, many did not. White homelands will be wrecked, some more than others. White bloodlines will be wrecked, some more than others.

    Will America and Europe become like Egypt, where a subject and mongrelized people live amongst wonders they can no longer create and can only explain supernaturally? Time—and the deeds of the coming years—will tell. The global political order will pass to China and maybe Russia.

    What about the crown of Western creation: culture and civilization? Will they still be remembered? Still understood? Still lived? It may be up to the Russians.

    Will America and Europe become like Egypt

    From Richard Nikolaus Eijiro, Count of Coudenhove-Kalergi

    The man of the future will be a mongrel. Today’s races and classes will disappear owing to the disappearing of space, time, and prejudice.

    The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its outward appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals.

    But there will the Führerrasse left intact:

    The general staff of both parties is recruited from Europe’s spiritual leader race [Führerrasse] the Jews.

    The main representatives of the corrupt as well as the upright brain aristocracy: of capitalism, journalism and the literate are Jews.

    The superiority of their spirit predestines them to become a main factor of the future nobility.

    Therefore a gracious Providence provided Europe with a new race of nobility through spiritual grace.

  206. the Crafty Beaver Hardware Store

    Where are Chicago’s feminists? Every West Coast city north of Camp Pendleton would have shut this place down.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Reg. WNY had a hardware chain of Busy Beaver, which my wife thought she had copyrighted.
  207. anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:

    he just happened to pick the one place without video coverage?

    Dumb luck? How smart is this guy anyway? The story was so improbably over the top it was like a parody. What was surprising was the number of people who’ve acted as though this tale was credible and could possibly have happened. A lot of police resources were diverted for this circus away from actual crime, forcing actual victims to take a backseat while this plays out. Smollett should be billed for all the salary and expenses expended upon his hoax as well as charged for making a false police report. Stirring up racial divisions and creating bad feelings are just a game for people like this. He seems like the perfect candidate for being made an example of if only they’d have the courage to go ahead and do it.

  208. Once again, immigrants get the job done!

  209. @Corvinus
    There were many red flags to begin with, especially since Chicago has surveillance cameras everywhere and Smollett refused to give up his phone records.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too. Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out. When the situation is indeed other than a hoax, nary a peep from them. The story goes down the rabbit hole.

    In a similar fashion, just because this situation was reported as a hoax does not mean that people should not seek to clarify if it was a hoax. Of course, the MSM and SJWs will say it AUTOMATICALLY occurred without letting matters fully play out. When the situation becomes one that it is a hoax, nary a peep from them.

    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence ("hate" crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false. It's click bait. It serves as fodder for news stories and blogs. So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says "Fake News". When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says "we're misled, we're sorry".

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Whether it be a "regular" crime or a "hate" crime is not the point. So take each case on its merits, wait a week for it to all play out, and then make the call.

    That is normie thing to do.

    Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story

    That’s like calling umpires and bat boys “both sides of the ball game”.

  210. @Tyrion 2
    Boring. It is a hoax. It was always a hoax. The story never made sense and actors are professional liars.

    The story never made sense and actors are professional liars.

    Are you calling Corvinus an actor?

  211. @Clyde

    Another question: If the Nigerian bros knew they were participating in a criminal hoax, why are they being let go as “innocent”?
     
    Their innocence is relative. They are 5% culpable compared to Jussie, criminal mastermind. So if Jussie gets some legal punishment, The Bros might get some, but much less. It's obvious the pumped up dudes moved at Jussie's direction.
    Plus the Pump Boys cooperated with the police and Jussie did not.
    My favorite stunt in all of this was one of the Nigerians walking on his hands on a gym's treadmill or whatever they are called these days. And in the private gym of Jussie's exclusive, high toned condo building

    Their innocence is relative. They are 5% culpable compared to Jussie, criminal mastermind. So if Jussie gets some legal punishment, The Bros might get some, but much less. It’s obvious the pumped up dudes moved at Jussie’s direction.

    I don’t think that’s how it worked. Those two are goofballs, being exploited by Smollett. They both have criminal records, and they don’t want to go to jail. They likely didn’t demand a lawyer during interrogation.

    The cops would have made jail time a very real concern for them, then told them if they spill their guts, they’ll be given immunity from prosecution. The boys jumped on that, and now Smollett is in the hot seat where he belongs, with the two black men he exploited for personal gain contradicting his every lie.

    Back in the day, one would describe this as the crafty house negro attempting to exploit the lowly field negroes, while disrupting the smooth operation of the plantation. The house negro feels an implicit sense of superiority over the field negroes, owing to the fact of his lighter, “colored” skin. Field negroes shouldn’t be angry for being tricked into a colored man’s shenanigans. They should feel grateful he gave them the time of day. Harsh, but true.

    Old habits die hard.

    Get the house negro, and let the field boys get back to work.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    Those two are goofballs, being exploited by Smollett. They both have criminal records, and they don’t want to go to jail.
     
    I like the Nigerian Bros lots more than lying, scheming, Trump hating Jussie. The Nigerians could care less about racism and sexism. They just want to break into the acting field and have a good time in America.
  212. @Buffalo Joe
    Ted, nice comment, but to assume that my ancestors were racists is, well you know, an assumption.

    Ted, nice comment, but to assume that my ancestors were racists is, well you know, an assumption.

    If you’re in Buffalo, we can assume that your descendants are racists.

    My first two college roommates were from the Buffalo suburbs. I’m not wholly unfamiliar with the population.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Reg, Really ? Your room mates must have been dumb pollocks.
  213. @res

    Apparently the nigerian brothers also kept receipts for the rope and bleach they bought at a local store. Really sophisticated perps.
     
    What will actually happen to the Nigerians? Do they get to keep the money? Seems like they may come out of this pretty well--at least once they threw Jussie under the bus.

    The should be charged and deported.

  214. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    Well said.

  215. @res

    Apparently the nigerian brothers also kept receipts for the rope and bleach they bought at a local store. Really sophisticated perps.
     
    What will actually happen to the Nigerians? Do they get to keep the money? Seems like they may come out of this pretty well--at least once they threw Jussie under the bus.

    That money is gone. 3000 went to Nigerian whores and whiskey. The rest they just blew.

  216. @ic1000
    Your remarks are about 25% true, 25% dumb, and 50% fake. A bit upthread in a 4:10 pm comment:

    "As someone else pointed out, much of modern 'fake news' consists not of making up outright lies but picking and choose which facts you print and don’t print and what spin you put on them. Meanwhile, anything that the right says is held to the highest standard of literal accuracy and publicly pronounced right in the new story to be a 'lie' if it is not 100% literally true."

    Thanks, Jack D! Back to Corvinus --

    > Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence (“hate” crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false.

    False equivalence. Support your claims. Here's Google's Top 10 US newspapers by circulation.
    The New York Times / Washington Post / USA Today / Houston Chronicle / The Wall Street Journal / Chicago Tribune / Los Angeles Times / New York Post.

    Which underperformed on Smollett by being too quick to jump against the mainstream narrative? Be specific. For extra credit, same exercise with the top TV/cable news organs.

    > But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too...

    Who are you directing these patronizing remarks to? Sailer? Jack D? Anonymous commenters? Me? Be specific.

    > The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different,

    Seven weeks into 2019, I can think of three Hate Crimes that the prestige press has elevated to national prominence. Jazmine Barnes, Covington, Smollett. Links to the ones you have in mind, please.

    > Whether it be a “regular” crime or a “hate” crime is not the point.

    Then, staying in the same time frame, let's talk about Kyle Yorlets, Gregory Price, Austin Burroughs, Jack Hough, Carlie Beaudin. Or Gary Martin. The high time preference and low intelligence of these sorts of regular criminals diffuses their racist motivations -- presumably if there were no whites around when inspiration struck, they would have targeted "fellow" blacks instead. But the casual dog-bites-man nature of street-criminal anti-whitism makes it unfit news to print, as far as Sopan Deb and his Narrative-bound colleagues are concerned.

    ““As someone else pointed out, much of modern ‘fake news’ consists not of making up outright lies but picking and choose which facts you print and don’t print and what spin you put on them. Meanwhile, anything that the right says is held to the highest standard of literal accuracy and publicly pronounced right in the new story to be a ‘lie’ if it is not 100% literally true.””

    Fake News is a farce, a joke. It leads people to become patently stupid. How? Because all it takes is someone to utter that phrase, and the assumption becomes “true”. A person who desires to be informed delves into the matter by perusing several sources and by astutely investigating one’s own recency or confirmation biases. In this manner, the person is more likely to arrive at a more objective finding of the available facts. Instead, anything that does not automatically fit into one’s crafted narrative as “fact” or “truth” becomes “Fake News”. You, like the Alt Right and radical left, are falling for it. You are being duped.

    The reality is that today’s news reports, whether it be the mainstream, the Coalition of the Fringes, or bloggers, write stories based on facts, which may or may not be interpreted in a way that puts “spin” on them. Mr. Sailer engages in the SAME conduct as the editors in the NYT or at the major networks–each decides what will be emphasized, deemphasized, or not covered at all. As soon as the Smollet story came out, the Alt Right spurred into action by latching onto the “hate hoax” theme. Right then and there, whatever was reported was completely false. End of story. In a similar fashion, the MSM touted the story as being totally true. End of story. Again, BOTH sides are guilty of jumping the gun. Whenever each ends up being “right”, it only reinforces the notion that the opposing side was, all along, engaging in “Fake News”.

    It is the dumbing down of America in real time. You are being bamboozled.

    “Seven weeks into 2019, I can think of three Hate Crimes…”

    I was talking about the past several years, not 2019. That would be a strawman on your part.

    “Which underperformed on Smollett by being too quick to jump against the mainstream narrative? Be specific. For extra credit, same exercise with the top TV/cable news organs.”

    The mainstream media kept up with the story assuming it was true while the Alt Right media kept up with the story assuming it was false. But that is what happens in our modern society, both sides jump the gun, craft a narrative, bludgeon the public with that narrative, and blame the other side for being “Fake News”. Now the Alt Right is “vindicated”, and the mainstream media is now “chasing its tail”.

    “Then, staying in the same time frame, let’s talk about Kyle Yorlets, Gregory Price, Austin Burroughs, Jack Hough, Carlie Beaudin.”

    OK, so let’s talk about them. What do you want to focus on?

    “The high time preference and low intelligence of these sorts of regular criminals diffuses their racist motivations…”

    Trigger words have been used. Praytell, please inform the viewing audience what evidence has the police found in each of the cases there was a “racist motivation”, at least, or a “hate crime” was committed, at most. As an aside, I have never been a fan of such laws. Regardless, you have some investigating to do.

    • Troll: ic1000
    • Replies: @anon
    As soon as the Smollet story came out, the Alt Right spurred into action by latching onto the “hate hoax” theme.

    Yes, and we were right.

    The mainstream media kept up with the story assuming it was true while the Alt Right media kept up with the story assuming it was false.

    And we were right.

    That's the thing. We're always right, Corvinus.

    I can name DOZENS of hate crimes over the past few years that we called hoaxes, and it turned out we were right.

    I can't think of a single time we called a hate crime a hoax, and it turned out to be real. Not one. Can you?

    So it's a false equivalence to say that we jump the gun just as much as the media does, since we're always right, and they're usually wrong.

    Just admit it, Corvinus. We're better than them. And you.
    , @ic1000
    In this latest set of comments, you typed fast, but you didn't think fast. Or clearly.

    > Fake News... leads people to become patently stupid. How? Because... A person who desires... In this manner... Instead... You... You are being duped.

    Corvinus, you are doing the hard work of generalizing and fantasizing, in order to patronize somebody you've never met.

    > The reality is that today’s news reports, whether it be the mainstream, the Coalition of the Fringes, or bloggers, write stories based on facts, which may or may not be interpreted in a way that puts “spin” on them. Mr. Sailer engages in the SAME conduct as the editors in the NYT or at the major networks–each decides what will be emphasized, deemphasized, or not covered at all. As soon as... Right then and there... End of... In a similar... End... Again, BOTH sides are guilty... Whenever each ends...

    Corvinus, more hard work. Izvestia, Journal of Cell Biology, Robert MacNeill, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Howard Zinn -- they're all the same!

    > You are being bamboozled.

    It's silly to patronize people on the basis of stuff you're projecting onto them. Commenter res might say that it's fallacious.

    > I was talking about the past several years, not 2019. That would be a strawman on your part.

    Show your good faith by citing specifics. Even if they are from long ago. At least I'd know what you're trying to discuss. That's why I asked.

    > OK, so let’s talk about them [Kyle Yorlets, Gregory Price, Austin Burroughs, Jack Hough, Carlie Beaudin]. What do you want to focus on?

    Corvinus, you wanted to talk about "regular" crimes as well as hate hoaxes "hate" crimes. I opined that many high-time-preference, low-intelligence black street criminals have an anti-white animus, and that the prestige press is quite diligent in not illuminating this issue. Most of my Whitopia-residing extended family are convinced that no such pattern exists. You seem to agree: if you are white or Asian, can I ask where you live? If it's "around here" -- you don't worry about your daughter getting mugged by reality, or worse?

    > ...Regardless, you have some investigating to do.

    Sure I do.
    , @Jefferson
    So to you people who believe Jussie Smollett orchestrated a hate hoax are automatically "Alt-Right"?. Plenty of Blacks on social media have been calling Jussie Smollett a liar since this thing first broke out. Are they Alt-Right too?

    Or for example go to the completely mainstream discussion board City Data Forum. The vast majority of people commenting there do not believe Jussie Smollett's claims. Are you going to say City Data Forum is an Alt-Right discussion board just like Taki Magazine, The Unz, Stormfronnt, Gab, Red Ice, and The Daily Stormer?

    , @Jefferson
    Regular Conservatives like Rush Limbaugh, Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, Michael Knowles, Andrew Klavan, Glenn Beck, Ezra Levant, etc are all Alt-Right to you because NONE of them are drinking the Jussie Smollett is being oppressed by White Supremacy kool-aid.

    Even middle of the road Centrists like Scott Adams and Tim Pool would be Alt-Right to you because they are NOT on Team Jussie either.

    And Dave Chappelle is Alt-Right too. Hey snowflake get ready to be triggered by his Jussie Smollett comments.

    http://www.newnownext.com/dave-chappelle-jussie-smollett-attack-joke/02/2019/

    , @Tex

    The mainstream media kept up with the story assuming it was true while the Alt Right media kept up with the story assuming it was false.
     
    Which one of those groups was right?
  217. @Realist
    This hoax was doomed from the start. It was conceived, inacted and believed by idiots.
    'This is MAGA country'....that's some funny shit.

    …conceived, inacted and believed..

    Should read…conceived, enacted and believed…

  218. @Tyrion 2
    Boring. It is a hoax. It was always a hoax. The story never made sense and actors are professional liars.

    “The story never made sense…”

    You mean the story failed to make sense a couple of days later when the police were conducting their investigation into the matter, and Smollet’s version came into significant question. In the meanwhile, the media on the left and on the right were having a field day, one insisting it was “true” and one insisting it was “false”.

    • Replies: @res

    You mean the story failed to make sense a couple of days later when the police were conducting their investigation into the matter
     
    The story failed to make sense from the very beginning (iSteve's initial post on this hate hoax showed that clearly). To anyone with a modicum of common sense. Which obviously excludes you so carry on.
    , @Tyrion 2
    No, the story told by the histrionic actor was obvious nonsense as soon as he told it. It's as believable as a child saying that "a dog ate my homework".
    , @Tex

    You mean the story failed to make sense a couple of days later when the police were conducting their investigation into the matter, and Smollet’s version came into significant question.
     
    When I first heard of the incident I thought it highly unlikely that a couple of MAGA-hatted racists were lurking in the freezing cold of a Cicago night to assault Jussie Smollett specifically while shouting "This is MAGA country."

    But apparently in retrospect it was entirely credible until it proved to be completely false. You are veering into Tiny Duck territory.
  219. @res
    Thanks for fisking Corvinus. I don't have the patience to do it anymore.

    Your remarks are about 25% true, 25% dumb, and 50% fake.
     
    And the 25% true tends to be pretty trivial stuff (the sky is blue!) only used as a scaffold for the crap.

    False equivalence.
     
    This is his favorite fallacy currently. Some takes on his fallacies from past comments:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/social-justice-jihadis-defend-the-violence-in-berkeley/#comment-1759481
    That exchange was kind of fun, so let's include the end of it as well:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/social-justice-jihadis-defend-the-violence-in-berkeley/#comment-1761102

    All you do is declare I have engage in fallacies without even properly explaining how and why. Keep up the good work.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    Well I appreciate your comic relief, troll.
    , @res

    All you do is declare I have engage in fallacies without even properly explaining how and why.
     
    You obviously did not follow the links where I did just that.

    Keep up the good work.
     
    Will do. Thanks for the encouragement.
  220. @Almost Missouri

    "I think it’s long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there’s something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it?"
     
    Yes, we are living in the midst of a Great Sorting. The millennium-long creation of inner-Hajnal whites is now being culled of those who were over-bred, misconceived and ill-formed. If not literally killed off, the 0-1 TFR of those Eloi-whites will spell their extinction by the time we reach the other end of this. The question is how much collateral damage they will cause on their way out.

    The American Empire is almost certainly toast, and good riddance to it. Most of us never wanted it. Some benefited from it, many did not. White homelands will be wrecked, some more than others. White bloodlines will be wrecked, some more than others.

    Will America and Europe become like Egypt, where a subject and mongrelized people live amongst wonders they can no longer create and can only explain supernaturally? Time—and the deeds of the coming years—will tell. The global political order will pass to China and maybe Russia.

    What about the crown of Western creation: culture and civilization? Will they still be remembered? Still understood? Still lived? It may be up to the Russians.

    “The American Empire is almost certainly toast, and good riddance to it.”

    According to who/whom? See, you are merely offering an opinion here. Yet, you believe what you say is simply true.

    Most of us never wanted it.”

    OK, so who exactly is this “most of us”?

    “White homelands will be wrecked, some more than others. White bloodlines will be wrecked, some more than others.”

    America only became a “white homeland” after Europeans wrecked the existing culture here!

    “The global political order will pass to China and maybe Russia.”

    May, not will. We really do not know. We can only speculate.

    “What about the crown of Western creation: culture and civilization?”

    LOL. Culture and civilization is a HUMAN creation.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
  221. @Corvinus
    All you do is declare I have engage in fallacies without even properly explaining how and why. Keep up the good work.

    Well I appreciate your comic relief, troll.

  222. @Corvinus
    "The story never made sense..."

    You mean the story failed to make sense a couple of days later when the police were conducting their investigation into the matter, and Smollet's version came into significant question. In the meanwhile, the media on the left and on the right were having a field day, one insisting it was "true" and one insisting it was "false".

    You mean the story failed to make sense a couple of days later when the police were conducting their investigation into the matter

    The story failed to make sense from the very beginning (iSteve’s initial post on this hate hoax showed that clearly). To anyone with a modicum of common sense. Which obviously excludes you so carry on.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    Bravo.
    , @Corvinus
    "The story failed to make sense from the very beginning"

    No. Until more information came out, then there were more questions about what happened. The media and the Alt Right immediately went all full-throttle Pavlovian because that is what they do with these incidents of "hate". They offer commentary about how it actually happened or how it never occurred.
  223. @Corvinus
    "The story never made sense..."

    You mean the story failed to make sense a couple of days later when the police were conducting their investigation into the matter, and Smollet's version came into significant question. In the meanwhile, the media on the left and on the right were having a field day, one insisting it was "true" and one insisting it was "false".

    No, the story told by the histrionic actor was obvious nonsense as soon as he told it. It’s as believable as a child saying that “a dog ate my homework”.

    • Replies: @res
    Agreed with your first sentence, but 'It’s as believable as a child saying that “a dog ate my homework”' is an overstatement of its believability.
  224. @ic1000
    Your remarks are about 25% true, 25% dumb, and 50% fake. A bit upthread in a 4:10 pm comment:

    "As someone else pointed out, much of modern 'fake news' consists not of making up outright lies but picking and choose which facts you print and don’t print and what spin you put on them. Meanwhile, anything that the right says is held to the highest standard of literal accuracy and publicly pronounced right in the new story to be a 'lie' if it is not 100% literally true."

    Thanks, Jack D! Back to Corvinus --

    > Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence (“hate” crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false.

    False equivalence. Support your claims. Here's Google's Top 10 US newspapers by circulation.
    The New York Times / Washington Post / USA Today / Houston Chronicle / The Wall Street Journal / Chicago Tribune / Los Angeles Times / New York Post.

    Which underperformed on Smollett by being too quick to jump against the mainstream narrative? Be specific. For extra credit, same exercise with the top TV/cable news organs.

    > But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too...

    Who are you directing these patronizing remarks to? Sailer? Jack D? Anonymous commenters? Me? Be specific.

    > The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different,

    Seven weeks into 2019, I can think of three Hate Crimes that the prestige press has elevated to national prominence. Jazmine Barnes, Covington, Smollett. Links to the ones you have in mind, please.

    > Whether it be a “regular” crime or a “hate” crime is not the point.

    Then, staying in the same time frame, let's talk about Kyle Yorlets, Gregory Price, Austin Burroughs, Jack Hough, Carlie Beaudin. Or Gary Martin. The high time preference and low intelligence of these sorts of regular criminals diffuses their racist motivations -- presumably if there were no whites around when inspiration struck, they would have targeted "fellow" blacks instead. But the casual dog-bites-man nature of street-criminal anti-whitism makes it unfit news to print, as far as Sopan Deb and his Narrative-bound colleagues are concerned.

    Well done.

    Corvinus’s M.O. is to never post a comment expressing his own opinion.

    Rather, he confines himself to commenting on other reader’s posts, and a big part of his M.O. is to pedantically demand proof / citations for every statement made.

    Can’t wait to see how he weasels out of YOUR request for specifics supporting his comments.

    • Agree: anon1
  225. @Almost Missouri
    I know Steve hopes this will be the hate hoax that finally forces the MSM to acknowledge that hate hoaxes exist. I hope so too. But it may be the hate hoax that convinces the MSM that they can still dictate The Narrative no matter how adverse the facts are.

    They're already test marketing lines such as GQ's:

    “While its veracity isn’t confirmed, its sentiment needs no fact-check.”
     

    Every politician and media twitterhead that slandered 63 million Trump voters with yet another fake noose story should be swatted with a rolled up newspaper and have their noses rubbed in it. How about an apology? A mea culpa? No, you’re right. They’ll stick with the ‘although we may have been lying again, we so strongly believe our lies could be true that we stand by them’ defense.

  226. @Corvinus
    All you do is declare I have engage in fallacies without even properly explaining how and why. Keep up the good work.

    All you do is declare I have engage in fallacies without even properly explaining how and why.

    You obviously did not follow the links where I did just that.

    Keep up the good work.

    Will do. Thanks for the encouragement.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    You're expecting him to follow links and look up facts that contradict his tale? For shame, man.

    As a side note, didn't someone out this clown as a paid Hasbara-type troll? Wasn't it Media Matters that owned up to putting this guy on the payroll? Or am I misremembering?
  227. @res

    You mean the story failed to make sense a couple of days later when the police were conducting their investigation into the matter
     
    The story failed to make sense from the very beginning (iSteve's initial post on this hate hoax showed that clearly). To anyone with a modicum of common sense. Which obviously excludes you so carry on.

    Bravo.

  228. What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it?

    Steve’s question here is quite profound. Of course this had all the hallmarks of a hoax from the start; but beyond that, my assumption was that the improbable story was concocted on the spur of the moment to cover up some embarrassing situation, like a “rough trade” homosexual encounter gone awry.

    The fact that an “assault” actually occurred (i.e., was staged) as described, replete with the props of rope, bleach, and red-hatted thugs, is genuinely surprising to me.

    The strongest explanation, it seems, is indeed that he felt sure the drama would be witnessed in some way, and that its veracity would not depend on his lone testimony. The detail of the plain red hat might suggest that he was anticipating the impressions of a human witness, rather than video footage that could theoretically verify whether there was writing on the cap.

    Of course, all of this is in the context of an incredibly feeble-minded perpetrator, and an incredibly venal one. He really does deserve stern punishment. Instead, he’ll probably get his own talk show.

  229. @res

    All you do is declare I have engage in fallacies without even properly explaining how and why.
     
    You obviously did not follow the links where I did just that.

    Keep up the good work.
     
    Will do. Thanks for the encouragement.

    You’re expecting him to follow links and look up facts that contradict his tale? For shame, man.

    As a side note, didn’t someone out this clown as a paid Hasbara-type troll? Wasn’t it Media Matters that owned up to putting this guy on the payroll? Or am I misremembering?

  230. @Tyrion 2
    No, the story told by the histrionic actor was obvious nonsense as soon as he told it. It's as believable as a child saying that "a dog ate my homework".

    Agreed with your first sentence, but ‘It’s as believable as a child saying that “a dog ate my homework”’ is an overstatement of its believability.

  231. @El Dato

    Sources said one of the brothers held the rope and poured bleach while the other wore a plain red hat and yelled slurs at Smollett.
     
    In a side alley at 02:00 when no-one is around because it's just Antarctica out there.

    And wearing a "plain red hat", it's just mysterious. There is a company logo about that.

    https://i.imgur.com/66ACoTI.png

    (Who is this Mr. Sources anyway? I have come to mistrust anything Mr. Sources says, especially in international relations.)

    And wearing a “plain red hat”, it’s just mysterious. There is a company logo about that.

    It was a Linuxing.

  232. A question: What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it? Did Jussie assume that cameras cover every spot in super-high density Streeterville (near Chicago’s Navy Pier) and he just happened to pick the one place without video coverage?

    You’re likely just leading us on this one, but I’ll bite:

    Two obvious options:

    -He made the video, then, upon viewing it, realized how fake it looked (likely the brothers’ faces and race were distinguishable, or else they were bad acting), decided against using it and deleted it. But he still wanted the attention from his Fake Hate Crime, so he went forward with reporting it publicly.

    -They didn’t make the video, figuring they wouldn’t be able to stage it correctly upon multiple viewings.

  233. Surely Mr. Smollet will not be prosecuted as a result of this affair. To press charges against him would be victimizing him all over again.

  234. I propose that we use the phrase, “this is MAGA country” in honor of this event. And of course all respects to Mr. Smollett for inventing the phrase.

  235. @Clyde
    I think Jussie smokes a lot of MJ. This is how he comes up with such cockamamie schemes. With the Nigerian Bros acting as white Trump MAGA supporters, and beating and noosing Juicy? The MJ in his system gives him fantasies of being the great black + gay* warrior against Donald Trump plus the stupids he associates with confirm and boost his fantasies.

    *Gay as in very openly gay and making a big deal about it

    This is silly. He did it because past such events, when proven false, have lead to almost zero bad consequences for the hoaxer, while the hoaxed often suffered afterwards. This was a low risk move on his part. Do you really think he will be punished significantly? Why should he be punished when the only people hurt are whites in America as a whole?

  236. @Almost Missouri

    "Is the fake ransom-note-style letter part of it? If so, it brought the feds into the case, which you want to avoid."
     
    Yeah, if he had kept the USPS out of it, that would have been wise.

    Unfortunately for Jussie, this is the inventory of items seized under the search warrant of his home.

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k8MBznvvSWY/XGiywAjgP9I/AAAAAAAAHD0/CZGzWd5VTQEeHLkihZrfYV_-8Vu2Y2X5ACLcBGAs/s1600/Search%2BWarrant.jpg

    Very first item: "Magazine on birdcage"

    Why would the police seize a magazine as evidence from his house? Maybe it's not what's in the magazine, it's what's not in the magazine: the headline letters of the size, shape and color of those in the postal threat.

    Fortunately for Jussie, even our supposedly MAGAfied DOJ seems to have no interest in prosecuting its enemies, only its allies.

    Interesting. If the Nigerian brothers participated in the letter hoax that’s a serious crime. I don’t see how they could continue to be ‘innocent’ if that’s the case… unless the DOJ has different criminal standards for immigrants.

  237. $3500 for a fake hate attack is outrageous. This is exactly why we need open borders. Central Americans could have beaten up Smollett for less than half that amount.

  238. @Corvinus
    "The American Empire is almost certainly toast, and good riddance to it."

    According to who/whom? See, you are merely offering an opinion here. Yet, you believe what you say is simply true.

    Most of us never wanted it."

    OK, so who exactly is this "most of us"?

    "White homelands will be wrecked, some more than others. White bloodlines will be wrecked, some more than others."

    America only became a "white homeland" after Europeans wrecked the existing culture here!

    "The global political order will pass to China and maybe Russia."

    May, not will. We really do not know. We can only speculate.

    "What about the crown of Western creation: culture and civilization?"

    LOL. Culture and civilization is a HUMAN creation.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz….

    • Agree: RationalExpressions
  239. Prediction: in 15 years Smollett will be playing Ward Cleaver in a Fox re-boot of “Leave It To Beaver.”
    Smollett in whiteface of course, along with the rest of the cast. Will probably get great ratings.

  240. @Mr McKenna
    Well at least it finally explains how someone could hold onto a sandwich in one hand and a cell phone in the other while "successfully" fighting off two very athletic attackers in a subfreezing Chicago night. It's called "lying".

    Similar to the Native guy in the Covington case, their legerdemain seemed so effortless and natural.

  241. anon[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "“As someone else pointed out, much of modern ‘fake news’ consists not of making up outright lies but picking and choose which facts you print and don’t print and what spin you put on them. Meanwhile, anything that the right says is held to the highest standard of literal accuracy and publicly pronounced right in the new story to be a ‘lie’ if it is not 100% literally true.”"

    Fake News is a farce, a joke. It leads people to become patently stupid. How? Because all it takes is someone to utter that phrase, and the assumption becomes "true". A person who desires to be informed delves into the matter by perusing several sources and by astutely investigating one's own recency or confirmation biases. In this manner, the person is more likely to arrive at a more objective finding of the available facts. Instead, anything that does not automatically fit into one's crafted narrative as "fact" or "truth" becomes "Fake News". You, like the Alt Right and radical left, are falling for it. You are being duped.

    The reality is that today's news reports, whether it be the mainstream, the Coalition of the Fringes, or bloggers, write stories based on facts, which may or may not be interpreted in a way that puts "spin" on them. Mr. Sailer engages in the SAME conduct as the editors in the NYT or at the major networks--each decides what will be emphasized, deemphasized, or not covered at all. As soon as the Smollet story came out, the Alt Right spurred into action by latching onto the "hate hoax" theme. Right then and there, whatever was reported was completely false. End of story. In a similar fashion, the MSM touted the story as being totally true. End of story. Again, BOTH sides are guilty of jumping the gun. Whenever each ends up being "right", it only reinforces the notion that the opposing side was, all along, engaging in "Fake News".

    It is the dumbing down of America in real time. You are being bamboozled.

    "Seven weeks into 2019, I can think of three Hate Crimes..."

    I was talking about the past several years, not 2019. That would be a strawman on your part.

    "Which underperformed on Smollett by being too quick to jump against the mainstream narrative? Be specific. For extra credit, same exercise with the top TV/cable news organs."

    The mainstream media kept up with the story assuming it was true while the Alt Right media kept up with the story assuming it was false. But that is what happens in our modern society, both sides jump the gun, craft a narrative, bludgeon the public with that narrative, and blame the other side for being "Fake News". Now the Alt Right is "vindicated", and the mainstream media is now "chasing its tail".

    "Then, staying in the same time frame, let’s talk about Kyle Yorlets, Gregory Price, Austin Burroughs, Jack Hough, Carlie Beaudin."

    OK, so let's talk about them. What do you want to focus on?

    "The high time preference and low intelligence of these sorts of regular criminals diffuses their racist motivations..."

    Trigger words have been used. Praytell, please inform the viewing audience what evidence has the police found in each of the cases there was a "racist motivation", at least, or a "hate crime" was committed, at most. As an aside, I have never been a fan of such laws. Regardless, you have some investigating to do.

    As soon as the Smollet story came out, the Alt Right spurred into action by latching onto the “hate hoax” theme.

    Yes, and we were right.

    The mainstream media kept up with the story assuming it was true while the Alt Right media kept up with the story assuming it was false.

    And we were right.

    That’s the thing. We’re always right, Corvinus.

    I can name DOZENS of hate crimes over the past few years that we called hoaxes, and it turned out we were right.

    I can’t think of a single time we called a hate crime a hoax, and it turned out to be real. Not one. Can you?

    So it’s a false equivalence to say that we jump the gun just as much as the media does, since we’re always right, and they’re usually wrong.

    Just admit it, Corvinus. We’re better than them. And you.

    • Agree: RationalExpressions
  242. @Corvinus
    "“As someone else pointed out, much of modern ‘fake news’ consists not of making up outright lies but picking and choose which facts you print and don’t print and what spin you put on them. Meanwhile, anything that the right says is held to the highest standard of literal accuracy and publicly pronounced right in the new story to be a ‘lie’ if it is not 100% literally true.”"

    Fake News is a farce, a joke. It leads people to become patently stupid. How? Because all it takes is someone to utter that phrase, and the assumption becomes "true". A person who desires to be informed delves into the matter by perusing several sources and by astutely investigating one's own recency or confirmation biases. In this manner, the person is more likely to arrive at a more objective finding of the available facts. Instead, anything that does not automatically fit into one's crafted narrative as "fact" or "truth" becomes "Fake News". You, like the Alt Right and radical left, are falling for it. You are being duped.

    The reality is that today's news reports, whether it be the mainstream, the Coalition of the Fringes, or bloggers, write stories based on facts, which may or may not be interpreted in a way that puts "spin" on them. Mr. Sailer engages in the SAME conduct as the editors in the NYT or at the major networks--each decides what will be emphasized, deemphasized, or not covered at all. As soon as the Smollet story came out, the Alt Right spurred into action by latching onto the "hate hoax" theme. Right then and there, whatever was reported was completely false. End of story. In a similar fashion, the MSM touted the story as being totally true. End of story. Again, BOTH sides are guilty of jumping the gun. Whenever each ends up being "right", it only reinforces the notion that the opposing side was, all along, engaging in "Fake News".

    It is the dumbing down of America in real time. You are being bamboozled.

    "Seven weeks into 2019, I can think of three Hate Crimes..."

    I was talking about the past several years, not 2019. That would be a strawman on your part.

    "Which underperformed on Smollett by being too quick to jump against the mainstream narrative? Be specific. For extra credit, same exercise with the top TV/cable news organs."

    The mainstream media kept up with the story assuming it was true while the Alt Right media kept up with the story assuming it was false. But that is what happens in our modern society, both sides jump the gun, craft a narrative, bludgeon the public with that narrative, and blame the other side for being "Fake News". Now the Alt Right is "vindicated", and the mainstream media is now "chasing its tail".

    "Then, staying in the same time frame, let’s talk about Kyle Yorlets, Gregory Price, Austin Burroughs, Jack Hough, Carlie Beaudin."

    OK, so let's talk about them. What do you want to focus on?

    "The high time preference and low intelligence of these sorts of regular criminals diffuses their racist motivations..."

    Trigger words have been used. Praytell, please inform the viewing audience what evidence has the police found in each of the cases there was a "racist motivation", at least, or a "hate crime" was committed, at most. As an aside, I have never been a fan of such laws. Regardless, you have some investigating to do.

    In this latest set of comments, you typed fast, but you didn’t think fast. Or clearly.

    > Fake News… leads people to become patently stupid. How? Because… A person who desires… In this manner… Instead… You… You are being duped.

    Corvinus, you are doing the hard work of generalizing and fantasizing, in order to patronize somebody you’ve never met.

    > The reality is that today’s news reports, whether it be the mainstream, the Coalition of the Fringes, or bloggers, write stories based on facts, which may or may not be interpreted in a way that puts “spin” on them. Mr. Sailer engages in the SAME conduct as the editors in the NYT or at the major networks–each decides what will be emphasized, deemphasized, or not covered at all. As soon as… Right then and there… End of… In a similar… End… Again, BOTH sides are guilty… Whenever each ends…

    Corvinus, more hard work. Izvestia, Journal of Cell Biology, Robert MacNeill, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Howard Zinn — they’re all the same!

    > You are being bamboozled.

    It’s silly to patronize people on the basis of stuff you’re projecting onto them. Commenter res might say that it’s fallacious.

    > I was talking about the past several years, not 2019. That would be a strawman on your part.

    Show your good faith by citing specifics. Even if they are from long ago. At least I’d know what you’re trying to discuss. That’s why I asked.

    > OK, so let’s talk about them [Kyle Yorlets, Gregory Price, Austin Burroughs, Jack Hough, Carlie Beaudin]. What do you want to focus on?

    Corvinus, you wanted to talk about “regular” crimes as well as hate hoaxes “hate” crimes. I opined that many high-time-preference, low-intelligence black street criminals have an anti-white animus, and that the prestige press is quite diligent in not illuminating this issue. Most of my Whitopia-residing extended family are convinced that no such pattern exists. You seem to agree: if you are white or Asian, can I ask where you live? If it’s “around here” — you don’t worry about your daughter getting mugged by reality, or worse?

    > …Regardless, you have some investigating to do.

    Sure I do.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Corvinus, you are doing the hard work of generalizing and fantasizing, in order to patronize somebody you’ve never met."

    No generalizing or fantasizing, just stating something that is accurate. Note that you neglected to specifically address what I presented.

    " Izvestia, Journal of Cell Biology, Robert MacNeill, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Howard Zinn — they’re all the same!"

    False equivalency. I am referring to the media and bloggers. One of your examples fit that criteria.

    "Show your good faith by citing specifics."

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2017

    https://www.ncjrs.gov/hate-crime/prevalence.html

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/14/us/hate-crimes-muslim-white-fbi-trnd/index.html
    (Discusses hate crimes rising against Muslims and....whites)

    https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/13/fbi-hate-crime-muslims-hispanics

    https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/hate-crime
    (Specific stories)

    So how many hate crimes do you believe are "hoaxes"? How do you exactly know? OR, in your book, are all hate crimes "hoaxes" no matter what?

    'I opined that many high-time-preference, low-intelligence black street criminals have an anti-white animus..."

    You mean offered your opinion. Sure, there are those darkie criminals who are mad as hell against whites, no different than white Southerners having an "anti-black animus". I'm fairly certain those same darkie criminals have a motivation against their fellow darkie brethren to get rich at their expense as well.

    Now, if you are going to say "many" and that a "pattern" exists, then you must offer numerous examples of those darkies who clearly indicated they committed crimes against white people due to their skin color. Then we can definitively say there is this "pattern". Now, it is certainly is possible, and maybe even likely.

    "Most of my Whitopia-residing extended family are convinced that no such pattern exists."

    So if and when they offer contrary reasons, do you think "hmmm, they could be right, let me reexamine my views", or do you automatically dismiss them as being suckered into believing "Fake News"?

    "You seem to agree: if you are white or Asian, can I ask where you live?"

    Diverse middle class suburban neighborhood. I don't have to worry about Julius raping my daughter or Abdul lobbing Molotov cocktails at my doorstep. We have nice folks. See, the browns, darkies, and yellows who have money do not want to associate with their brethren who do not have a similar economic standing. It's more about social class, not necessarily about race or ethnicity.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Never argue with a scavenger.


    https://birdbarrier.com/wysiwyg/bird-barrier-how-to-get-rid-of-crows-4.jpg
  243. @Tyrion 2

    The American Empire is almost certainly toast, and good riddance to it
     
    Just neutrally, since history of full of both better and worse things, America probably isn't fall of the Roman Empire, it is fall of the Roman Republic. I sense that America will continue, in corpse form, as a huge and very weird supra-national state.

    Personally, I date the American Fall of the Republic back to the New Deal in the 1930s. That’s when the Constitutional old dispensation of liberty was first paved over by the centralized but fake new dispensation of welfare. It’s not just me. I’m told the Constitution’s author, James Madison, was asked in 1929 how long he expected the Constitution to last and he gave it “about a century”.

    You may say that doesn’t make for a very long Imperial period, but we don’t know how long it will still last, and even in the slower Roman times, I would argue that the Roman Empire really only lasted until the Crisis of the 3rd century, by which time most Romans were immiserated. The temporary imperial recovery in the 4th century was just a partial resurrection of a sort zombie parody of the original empire, brought about by the willpower of a few extraordinary leaders, and which proved to have no staying power once they departed the scene.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    The institution of worship of the Constitution has been powerful for the Left. By convincing those non-Leftists that it is sacrosanct and we must abide by it, whilst the Left freely abuses it, they've locked us in to an untenable situation. I feel like a pleb being told by a patrician that the painful law X must always be enforced against plebs because its Roman law, and everyone must abide by it, while the patrician freely ignores the law.

    Leftists in all forms love to corrupt institutions while forcing those inside them to abide by the rules of the institution. Its why revolutions inevitably occur.

    N.B. : I am an admirer of the Constitution.
    , @ACommenter
    People forget also that vestiages of the 'republic' lasted in name only for a long time after the end of the republic.
    , @Che Guava
    How did anybody ask the (a) creator of your constitution, Madison, anything in 1929? 

    A little earlier, I suppose they may have used Mme Blavatsky as a spirit medium, but I think that she, too, was gone by then, in a wave of ectoplasm.
    , @Almost Missouri
    I mean 1829 ( + one century = 1929).
  244. @Almost Missouri

    "Is the fake ransom-note-style letter part of it? If so, it brought the feds into the case, which you want to avoid."
     
    Yeah, if he had kept the USPS out of it, that would have been wise.

    Unfortunately for Jussie, this is the inventory of items seized under the search warrant of his home.

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k8MBznvvSWY/XGiywAjgP9I/AAAAAAAAHD0/CZGzWd5VTQEeHLkihZrfYV_-8Vu2Y2X5ACLcBGAs/s1600/Search%2BWarrant.jpg

    Very first item: "Magazine on birdcage"

    Why would the police seize a magazine as evidence from his house? Maybe it's not what's in the magazine, it's what's not in the magazine: the headline letters of the size, shape and color of those in the postal threat.

    Fortunately for Jussie, even our supposedly MAGAfied DOJ seems to have no interest in prosecuting its enemies, only its allies.

    Items seized from the Nigerians’ home, not Jussie’s.

  245. @Corvinus
    There were many red flags to begin with, especially since Chicago has surveillance cameras everywhere and Smollett refused to give up his phone records.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too. Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out. When the situation is indeed other than a hoax, nary a peep from them. The story goes down the rabbit hole.

    In a similar fashion, just because this situation was reported as a hoax does not mean that people should not seek to clarify if it was a hoax. Of course, the MSM and SJWs will say it AUTOMATICALLY occurred without letting matters fully play out. When the situation becomes one that it is a hoax, nary a peep from them.

    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence ("hate" crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false. It's click bait. It serves as fodder for news stories and blogs. So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says "Fake News". When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says "we're misled, we're sorry".

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Whether it be a "regular" crime or a "hate" crime is not the point. So take each case on its merits, wait a week for it to all play out, and then make the call.

    That is normie thing to do.

    No love for Corvinus. Corvinus is Latin for schmuck.

  246. If in fact, this was a hoax,

    I think the democrats are doing a fine job.

  247. @Bill Jones
    How dumb do you have to be to pick the only two Nigerians on the planet who are no good at hoaxes?

    That’s pretty funny but of course what’s made Nigerians famous is the transparent ineptitude of those email scams of theirs. At least the ones that have arrived at my inbox.

    That’s why genuinely sophisticated scams, like Medicare scams, haven’t achieved anything like the same iconic status.

  248. @res
    Thanks for fisking Corvinus. I don't have the patience to do it anymore.

    Your remarks are about 25% true, 25% dumb, and 50% fake.
     
    And the 25% true tends to be pretty trivial stuff (the sky is blue!) only used as a scaffold for the crap.

    False equivalence.
     
    This is his favorite fallacy currently. Some takes on his fallacies from past comments:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/social-justice-jihadis-defend-the-violence-in-berkeley/#comment-1759481
    That exchange was kind of fun, so let's include the end of it as well:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/social-justice-jihadis-defend-the-violence-in-berkeley/#comment-1761102

    Corvinus is an obvious Hasbara / FBI plant and nothing he writes is worth reading, let alone responding to.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    Agree, except that he's just an amateur with way too much time on his hands. The site reads better with him on ignore.
  249. If in fact, this was a hoax,

    I think the democrats are doing a fine job.

    The US may be poised for some decline. However, I suspect that is a far sight away.

  250. @Almost Missouri
    Personally, I date the American Fall of the Republic back to the New Deal in the 1930s. That's when the Constitutional old dispensation of liberty was first paved over by the centralized but fake new dispensation of welfare. It's not just me. I'm told the Constitution's author, James Madison, was asked in 1929 how long he expected the Constitution to last and he gave it "about a century".

    You may say that doesn't make for a very long Imperial period, but we don't know how long it will still last, and even in the slower Roman times, I would argue that the Roman Empire really only lasted until the Crisis of the 3rd century, by which time most Romans were immiserated. The temporary imperial recovery in the 4th century was just a partial resurrection of a sort zombie parody of the original empire, brought about by the willpower of a few extraordinary leaders, and which proved to have no staying power once they departed the scene.

    The institution of worship of the Constitution has been powerful for the Left. By convincing those non-Leftists that it is sacrosanct and we must abide by it, whilst the Left freely abuses it, they’ve locked us in to an untenable situation. I feel like a pleb being told by a patrician that the painful law X must always be enforced against plebs because its Roman law, and everyone must abide by it, while the patrician freely ignores the law.

    Leftists in all forms love to corrupt institutions while forcing those inside them to abide by the rules of the institution. Its why revolutions inevitably occur.

    N.B. : I am an admirer of the Constitution.

  251. I’m glad he was allowed to do the GMA interview it illustrates how morally bankrupt he really is. His interviewer was another POC and he chose to lie to her face without hesitation . I’m sure she was chosen so it wouldnt appear as if he were being “interrogated “ or “judged” as it would have had it been some white , male reporter. She threw him nothing but softballs and his poor performance produced nothing but easy outs. Purportedly, his phone records coo berated the phone call with his manager in which the manager overheard the ridiculous “ MAGA country” comment as well has the racial slurs. There’s a strong possibility the manager was not in on the plan and was be used to produce at least one genuine ear witness to this hoax. Also, the friend that drove him to the hospital may have also been ignorant to the plan again to provide some sense of realism to this childish ruse. If so it further illustrates what a sociopath this guy is . To use people as pawns in his silly ass hoax to further his own agenda is truly shameful. Sad part is when you engage supporters of Smollett or Brawley, or discuss the Jasmine Barnes fiasco or Covington school boy incidents you realize very quickly how far apart you are ideallhically . There’s seems to be no middle ground , no recognition of facts , no apology for being completely wrong and no reticence in jumping head first into the next hate hoax.

  252. Blacks definitely rank higher than half White Mulattos on The Democratic Party’s intersectional identity politics hierarchy, so even if Jussie Smollett’s attack was legit the Nigerians can not be charged with an anti-Black hate crime because they are Blacker than he is both skin color wise and DNA wise. The less White ancestry you have the higher status you are on The Democratic Party’s intersectional identity politics hierarchy.

  253. @PhysicistDave
    When Oprah was conned by the author James Frey, she had enough class to express her outrage and dismay.

    How many of those on the Left who were conned by Smollett will show the same amount of sense?

    Oprah was mad because she actually believed it and it hurt her show’s reputation to have lavished praise upon something that was fake. Remember how “Oprah’s Book Club” could literally turn an unknown author into a celebrity overnight. It had huge cultural cache that she understood had to be well-managed and protected. I’m glad she’s not running in 2020, she’s a very formidable person.

  254. @Corvinus
    There were many red flags to begin with, especially since Chicago has surveillance cameras everywhere and Smollett refused to give up his phone records.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too. Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out. When the situation is indeed other than a hoax, nary a peep from them. The story goes down the rabbit hole.

    In a similar fashion, just because this situation was reported as a hoax does not mean that people should not seek to clarify if it was a hoax. Of course, the MSM and SJWs will say it AUTOMATICALLY occurred without letting matters fully play out. When the situation becomes one that it is a hoax, nary a peep from them.

    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence ("hate" crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false. It's click bait. It serves as fodder for news stories and blogs. So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says "Fake News". When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says "we're misled, we're sorry".

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Whether it be a "regular" crime or a "hate" crime is not the point. So take each case on its merits, wait a week for it to all play out, and then make the call.

    That is normie thing to do.

    Corvi, The media creates hate hoaxes. Watch the full tape of the encounter between Nathan Philips and the Covington Boys and see how they created a hoax right in front of our eyes.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Corvi, The media creates hate hoaxes."

    You mean events are twisted and turned by the right and the left to suit their narrative, which may or may not turn out to be a hoax. It is a matter of perception. The media reports an incident and labels it "hate". In turn, the Alt Right provides their own commentary and labels it a "hoax". Supporters on both sides dig their heels in. When the event is indeed shown by law enforcement to be a "hate crime", the media says "See, told you so", and the Alt Right says "you lie". When the event is demonstrated to be made by law enforcement and not a "hate crime", the media says "Oh, well, nothing to see here" and the Alt Right says "see, you lied now, and you will lie in the future". Which may or may not be true. Regardless, those events which turned out to be hoaxes does not mean future events are also undoubtedly hoaxes. They could be, but they also could not be.

    In this specific case, it would appear that the Smollet case is a hoax. There should be stiff consequences for him, period. Again, the Alt Right and conservatives will equate that this incident is indicative for ALL or MOST similar events to be a "hoax". In that manner, there is little thinking involved. When there are actual circumstances involved in a "hate" crime, people are quick to say "Fake News" or "hate hoax" without actually delving into what occurred. It makes people patently dumber.
  255. @Almost Missouri
    Personally, I date the American Fall of the Republic back to the New Deal in the 1930s. That's when the Constitutional old dispensation of liberty was first paved over by the centralized but fake new dispensation of welfare. It's not just me. I'm told the Constitution's author, James Madison, was asked in 1929 how long he expected the Constitution to last and he gave it "about a century".

    You may say that doesn't make for a very long Imperial period, but we don't know how long it will still last, and even in the slower Roman times, I would argue that the Roman Empire really only lasted until the Crisis of the 3rd century, by which time most Romans were immiserated. The temporary imperial recovery in the 4th century was just a partial resurrection of a sort zombie parody of the original empire, brought about by the willpower of a few extraordinary leaders, and which proved to have no staying power once they departed the scene.

    People forget also that vestiages of the ‘republic’ lasted in name only for a long time after the end of the republic.

  256. Uncanny…… A strange fruit indeed.

  257. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    I would bet a large sum that

    a. Smollets will be charged with nothing, and

    b. The MSM, once all is proven, will heavy handedly move into robotically repeating ‘Nothing to see here. Move on. Move on.’
    … and then, after twelve or so hours, pretend it never happened.

  258. The empire of lies

  259. Komment Kontrol any reason my relatively mild comments have been blocked for 48 hours?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Sorry, I've just fallen behind the deluge of comments over Saturday night.
  260. @Jack D
    Absolutely - compelling video is the sina qua non of modern viral media. The cops can beat up a thousand black guys but if you get good video of them beating up ONE, then all of LA burns. As big a story as this was, it would have been even bigger, much bigger if there was a video clip they could have shown over and over of Jussie getting smacked around by the MAGA hat wearers. Too bad that Jussie was an idiot and couldn't even stage his hoax in camera range.

    Too bad for America that even an idiotic hoax cannot be seen through by our esteemed press and leaders. So far the Russians and the Chinese haven't been that good at pulling off hoaxes either. It's very hard to understand what will resonate in a foreign culture. But someday, with enough help from Chinese who have been educated here and understand American culture better, they may get good enough to pull off these things convincingly in a way that will further their goals in some major way. They can see that America has feet of clay - that it is racially divided and that the leadership and the press is too biased or cowardly to call a spade a spade and they are going to figure out how to exploit this some day, big time.

    Jack, you are absolutely right. The actual grainy video of the fake attack, with the narrative that the two attackers were Trump supporters, would have replaced the Rodney King tape.

  261. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    “What’s wrong with white people?”

    Tldr: white women.

  262. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    “What’s wrong with white people?”

    Tldr: white women.

  263. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    “What’s wrong with white people?”

    Tldr: white women.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Tldr: white women.
     
    Do White women control the media outlets that continue to boost these hoaxes over and over again?
  264. As an actor, Jussie Smollett knows, what a strong story is, and so he staged one and found, his part should be the superstar in it.

    So – as Steve Sailer predicted very early on: This is a race-conscious zeitgeist emanation. And the zeitgeist is very much in favor of narcissism – in combination with whatever… Erich Fromm called this state of mind the market character – a person who wants to succeed and be good at it, no matter what.

    The whole affair lets me think of drugs, too.

    • Replies: @J1234

    as Steve Sailer predicted very early on
     
    This was obvious to a lot of people. However, the "orchestrated" nature of the incident is somewhat surprising. If this was orchestrated, the people involved are stupid beyond belief. If Jussie had been beat up by a male escort and had to come up with a face saving explanation for his injuries, I could at least have a slight degree of empathy.


    I love it: "The Crafty Beaver...for all of your hate crime needs!"

  265. @Corvinus
    There were many red flags to begin with, especially since Chicago has surveillance cameras everywhere and Smollett refused to give up his phone records.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too. Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out. When the situation is indeed other than a hoax, nary a peep from them. The story goes down the rabbit hole.

    In a similar fashion, just because this situation was reported as a hoax does not mean that people should not seek to clarify if it was a hoax. Of course, the MSM and SJWs will say it AUTOMATICALLY occurred without letting matters fully play out. When the situation becomes one that it is a hoax, nary a peep from them.

    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence ("hate" crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false. It's click bait. It serves as fodder for news stories and blogs. So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says "Fake News". When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says "we're misled, we're sorry".

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Whether it be a "regular" crime or a "hate" crime is not the point. So take each case on its merits, wait a week for it to all play out, and then make the call.

    That is normie thing to do.

    ” there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different,”

    That’s true. White women are cross-racially raped at a rate 6400% greater than black women.

    This appalling racism goes almost unnoticed.

  266. @Corvinus
    "“As someone else pointed out, much of modern ‘fake news’ consists not of making up outright lies but picking and choose which facts you print and don’t print and what spin you put on them. Meanwhile, anything that the right says is held to the highest standard of literal accuracy and publicly pronounced right in the new story to be a ‘lie’ if it is not 100% literally true.”"

    Fake News is a farce, a joke. It leads people to become patently stupid. How? Because all it takes is someone to utter that phrase, and the assumption becomes "true". A person who desires to be informed delves into the matter by perusing several sources and by astutely investigating one's own recency or confirmation biases. In this manner, the person is more likely to arrive at a more objective finding of the available facts. Instead, anything that does not automatically fit into one's crafted narrative as "fact" or "truth" becomes "Fake News". You, like the Alt Right and radical left, are falling for it. You are being duped.

    The reality is that today's news reports, whether it be the mainstream, the Coalition of the Fringes, or bloggers, write stories based on facts, which may or may not be interpreted in a way that puts "spin" on them. Mr. Sailer engages in the SAME conduct as the editors in the NYT or at the major networks--each decides what will be emphasized, deemphasized, or not covered at all. As soon as the Smollet story came out, the Alt Right spurred into action by latching onto the "hate hoax" theme. Right then and there, whatever was reported was completely false. End of story. In a similar fashion, the MSM touted the story as being totally true. End of story. Again, BOTH sides are guilty of jumping the gun. Whenever each ends up being "right", it only reinforces the notion that the opposing side was, all along, engaging in "Fake News".

    It is the dumbing down of America in real time. You are being bamboozled.

    "Seven weeks into 2019, I can think of three Hate Crimes..."

    I was talking about the past several years, not 2019. That would be a strawman on your part.

    "Which underperformed on Smollett by being too quick to jump against the mainstream narrative? Be specific. For extra credit, same exercise with the top TV/cable news organs."

    The mainstream media kept up with the story assuming it was true while the Alt Right media kept up with the story assuming it was false. But that is what happens in our modern society, both sides jump the gun, craft a narrative, bludgeon the public with that narrative, and blame the other side for being "Fake News". Now the Alt Right is "vindicated", and the mainstream media is now "chasing its tail".

    "Then, staying in the same time frame, let’s talk about Kyle Yorlets, Gregory Price, Austin Burroughs, Jack Hough, Carlie Beaudin."

    OK, so let's talk about them. What do you want to focus on?

    "The high time preference and low intelligence of these sorts of regular criminals diffuses their racist motivations..."

    Trigger words have been used. Praytell, please inform the viewing audience what evidence has the police found in each of the cases there was a "racist motivation", at least, or a "hate crime" was committed, at most. As an aside, I have never been a fan of such laws. Regardless, you have some investigating to do.

    So to you people who believe Jussie Smollett orchestrated a hate hoax are automatically “Alt-Right”?. Plenty of Blacks on social media have been calling Jussie Smollett a liar since this thing first broke out. Are they Alt-Right too?

    Or for example go to the completely mainstream discussion board City Data Forum. The vast majority of people commenting there do not believe Jussie Smollett’s claims. Are you going to say City Data Forum is an Alt-Right discussion board just like Taki Magazine, The Unz, Stormfronnt, Gab, Red Ice, and The Daily Stormer?

  267. @Almost Missouri
    Personally, I date the American Fall of the Republic back to the New Deal in the 1930s. That's when the Constitutional old dispensation of liberty was first paved over by the centralized but fake new dispensation of welfare. It's not just me. I'm told the Constitution's author, James Madison, was asked in 1929 how long he expected the Constitution to last and he gave it "about a century".

    You may say that doesn't make for a very long Imperial period, but we don't know how long it will still last, and even in the slower Roman times, I would argue that the Roman Empire really only lasted until the Crisis of the 3rd century, by which time most Romans were immiserated. The temporary imperial recovery in the 4th century was just a partial resurrection of a sort zombie parody of the original empire, brought about by the willpower of a few extraordinary leaders, and which proved to have no staying power once they departed the scene.

    How did anybody ask the (a) creator of your constitution, Madison, anything in 1929? 

    A little earlier, I suppose they may have used Mme Blavatsky as a spirit medium, but I think that she, too, was gone by then, in a wave of ectoplasm.

  268. @Dieter Kief
    As an actor, Jussie Smollett knows, what a strong story is, and so he staged one and found, his part should be the superstar in it.

    So - as Steve Sailer predicted very early on: This is a race-conscious zeitgeist emanation. And the zeitgeist is very much in favor of narcissism - in combination with whatever... Erich Fromm called this state of mind the market character - a person who wants to succeed and be good at it, no matter what.

    The whole affair lets me think of drugs, too.

    as Steve Sailer predicted very early on

    This was obvious to a lot of people. However, the “orchestrated” nature of the incident is somewhat surprising. If this was orchestrated, the people involved are stupid beyond belief. If Jussie had been beat up by a male escort and had to come up with a face saving explanation for his injuries, I could at least have a slight degree of empathy.

    I love it: “The Crafty Beaver…for all of your hate crime needs!”

  269. @Reg Cæsar

    the Crafty Beaver Hardware Store
     
    Where are Chicago's feminists? Every West Coast city north of Camp Pendleton would have shut this place down.

    Reg. WNY had a hardware chain of Busy Beaver, which my wife thought she had copyrighted.

    • LOL: Jim Don Bob
  270. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    The white people who believe this nonsense don’t live next to diversity and don’t understand what it’s like to be a hated minority in a sea of brown. You don’t see this BS with Latin American whites, for example.

  271. @Reg Cæsar

    Ted, nice comment, but to assume that my ancestors were racists is, well you know, an assumption.
     
    If you're in Buffalo, we can assume that your descendants are racists.

    My first two college roommates were from the Buffalo suburbs. I'm not wholly unfamiliar with the population.

    Reg, Really ? Your room mates must have been dumb pollocks.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, Really ? Your room mates most have been dumb pollocks.
     
    Nope. One was middle-class Methodist WASP, and one with an Anglicized German surname, like my own.

    I hated the Bills, because their fans were so obnoxious, not to mention that colored guy with the initials. Now that I'm safely removed in time and space, they've become kind of cute, sort of New York's Other Jets. Decades in whiny Minnesota made me soft on the Packers, as well.
  272. @Buffalo Joe
    Reg, Really ? Your room mates must have been dumb pollocks.

    Reg, Really ? Your room mates most have been dumb pollocks.

    Nope. One was middle-class Methodist WASP, and one with an Anglicized German surname, like my own.

    I hated the Bills, because their fans were so obnoxious, not to mention that colored guy with the initials. Now that I’m safely removed in time and space, they’ve become kind of cute, sort of New York’s Other Jets. Decades in whiny Minnesota made me soft on the Packers, as well.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Reg, I was trying for humor.
  273. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    ‘…We’ve completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll…’

    In this case, I’d say we’ve managed to have our cake and eat it too, so to speak, but yeah.

  274. @Corvinus
    "“As someone else pointed out, much of modern ‘fake news’ consists not of making up outright lies but picking and choose which facts you print and don’t print and what spin you put on them. Meanwhile, anything that the right says is held to the highest standard of literal accuracy and publicly pronounced right in the new story to be a ‘lie’ if it is not 100% literally true.”"

    Fake News is a farce, a joke. It leads people to become patently stupid. How? Because all it takes is someone to utter that phrase, and the assumption becomes "true". A person who desires to be informed delves into the matter by perusing several sources and by astutely investigating one's own recency or confirmation biases. In this manner, the person is more likely to arrive at a more objective finding of the available facts. Instead, anything that does not automatically fit into one's crafted narrative as "fact" or "truth" becomes "Fake News". You, like the Alt Right and radical left, are falling for it. You are being duped.

    The reality is that today's news reports, whether it be the mainstream, the Coalition of the Fringes, or bloggers, write stories based on facts, which may or may not be interpreted in a way that puts "spin" on them. Mr. Sailer engages in the SAME conduct as the editors in the NYT or at the major networks--each decides what will be emphasized, deemphasized, or not covered at all. As soon as the Smollet story came out, the Alt Right spurred into action by latching onto the "hate hoax" theme. Right then and there, whatever was reported was completely false. End of story. In a similar fashion, the MSM touted the story as being totally true. End of story. Again, BOTH sides are guilty of jumping the gun. Whenever each ends up being "right", it only reinforces the notion that the opposing side was, all along, engaging in "Fake News".

    It is the dumbing down of America in real time. You are being bamboozled.

    "Seven weeks into 2019, I can think of three Hate Crimes..."

    I was talking about the past several years, not 2019. That would be a strawman on your part.

    "Which underperformed on Smollett by being too quick to jump against the mainstream narrative? Be specific. For extra credit, same exercise with the top TV/cable news organs."

    The mainstream media kept up with the story assuming it was true while the Alt Right media kept up with the story assuming it was false. But that is what happens in our modern society, both sides jump the gun, craft a narrative, bludgeon the public with that narrative, and blame the other side for being "Fake News". Now the Alt Right is "vindicated", and the mainstream media is now "chasing its tail".

    "Then, staying in the same time frame, let’s talk about Kyle Yorlets, Gregory Price, Austin Burroughs, Jack Hough, Carlie Beaudin."

    OK, so let's talk about them. What do you want to focus on?

    "The high time preference and low intelligence of these sorts of regular criminals diffuses their racist motivations..."

    Trigger words have been used. Praytell, please inform the viewing audience what evidence has the police found in each of the cases there was a "racist motivation", at least, or a "hate crime" was committed, at most. As an aside, I have never been a fan of such laws. Regardless, you have some investigating to do.

    Regular Conservatives like Rush Limbaugh, Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, Michael Knowles, Andrew Klavan, Glenn Beck, Ezra Levant, etc are all Alt-Right to you because NONE of them are drinking the Jussie Smollett is being oppressed by White Supremacy kool-aid.

    Even middle of the road Centrists like Scott Adams and Tim Pool would be Alt-Right to you because they are NOT on Team Jussie either.

    And Dave Chappelle is Alt-Right too. Hey snowflake get ready to be triggered by his Jussie Smollett comments.

    http://www.newnownext.com/dave-chappelle-jussie-smollett-attack-joke/02/2019/

  275. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @res
    Thanks. They just keep doubling down.

    What have Smollett's lawyers said?

    "Jussie Smollett is angered and devastated by recent reports that the perpetrators are individuals he is familiar with," a statement from lawyers Todd Pugh and Victor Henderson said.

    "He has now been further victimised by claims attributed to these alleged perpetrators that Jussie played a role in his own attack. Nothing is further from the truth and anyone claiming otherwise is lying."

    One of the brothers is Smollett's personal trainer, and the lawyers said it was "impossible to believe that this person could have played a role in the crime against Jussie or would falsely claim Jussie's complicity".
     
    I had not seen the personal trainer bit in that last paragraph before.

    QUOTE: Smollett’s lawyers said: “It’s impossible to believe that this person … would falsely claim Jussie’s complicity …”

    Interesting and no doubt carefully inserted ambiguity.

    The statement implies that it is entirely understandable that he would correctly claim that Smollett was complicit in this hate hoax.

    The entire notion of “hate crimes” was carefully constructed to politicize the criminal law. It implies that, e.g. a murderer is less culpable if he killed the victim out of greed rather than racial animus.

    Also, of course, “hate crimes” are only ever charged against white defendants, never against “minorities.” Even violence by one minority (e.g. Hispanics) against another (African Americans) rarely rates a “hate crime” charge in prosecutorial practice.

  276. OT: ‘Intellectual Dark Web’ members Bari Weiss and Dave Rubin become involuntarily angry at the mention of Tulsi Gabbard.

    More evidence, if any were needed, that the risible Dark Web is just the Neocon Jr. set.

    The actual dark web is very easy to find: /pol/ (Long may it live).

  277. @Jack D
    They were actors paid to engage in a piece of street theater. When questioned by the police, they told the truth. They didn't assault anyone without consent. They committed no crime so the police let them go.

    Can they at least be deported? What is “street theater” today could just as well become medicaid fraud tomorrow.

    • Replies: @GermanReader2
    I read that one of the brothers already is a convicted felon because he attacked someone with a knife. Why wasn't he deported, when that incident took place?
  278. It’s a bad Dick Wolf plot. I’m sorry, that’s redundant.

  279. @Realist
    This hoax was doomed from the start. It was conceived, inacted and believed by idiots.
    'This is MAGA country'....that's some funny shit.

    “This is MAGA country” is probably Jussie cribbing his script from the Abner Louima case 20 years ago or more in NYC. Best as I remember, the cops who allegedly attacked Louima were said to have snarled “It’s Giuliani time!”

  280. @Tyrion 2
    Boring. It is a hoax. It was always a hoax. The story never made sense and actors are professional liars.

    Per capita it does seem that celebrities are more likely to develop mental illness than the general population just look at Jussie Smollett, Charlie Sheen, Michael Jackson, etc.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Cocaine's a helluva drug.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Cocaine's a helluva drug.
  281. Jussie Smollett: yet another entry into the Fake Hate Crimes directory:

    http://www.fakehatecrimes.org/

  282. @Robbie Z

    What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it?
     
    In his ABC News interview, he said that he pointed the detectives to the camera, only to find out the that the cameras were pointed in the wrong direction of the attack.

    Apparently the nigerian brothers also kept receipts for the rope and bleach they bought at a local store. Really sophisticated perps.

    You must keep receipts if you’re going to claim them as expenses.

    The contract probably states $3,500 + expenses

  283. @Almost Missouri

    "I think it’s long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there’s something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it?"
     
    Yes, we are living in the midst of a Great Sorting. The millennium-long creation of inner-Hajnal whites is now being culled of those who were over-bred, misconceived and ill-formed. If not literally killed off, the 0-1 TFR of those Eloi-whites will spell their extinction by the time we reach the other end of this. The question is how much collateral damage they will cause on their way out.

    The American Empire is almost certainly toast, and good riddance to it. Most of us never wanted it. Some benefited from it, many did not. White homelands will be wrecked, some more than others. White bloodlines will be wrecked, some more than others.

    Will America and Europe become like Egypt, where a subject and mongrelized people live amongst wonders they can no longer create and can only explain supernaturally? Time—and the deeds of the coming years—will tell. The global political order will pass to China and maybe Russia.

    What about the crown of Western creation: culture and civilization? Will they still be remembered? Still understood? Still lived? It may be up to the Russians.

    Russia is not part of Western civilization. Russia is corrupt enough to be a banana republic but without the banana republic tropical weather. Russia is Latin America level corrupt if Latin America had polar vortex weather. Russia is banana republic on ice.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    I don't necessarily disagree, but another century or so on the current trajectory and they will be all who are left to remember us. So we should cultivate their appreciation now.
  284. @Alec Leamas

    From Sopan Deb’s Twitter stream:

    Most outlets reported exactly what was happening as it was happening. The CPD said publicly for weeks they weren’t doubting Smollett’s story. And somehow, this is the media’s fault for reporting stuff accurately?
     
    Right, because the job of reporters is to reprint verbatim what government officials are telling them and never question it.

    It you really read what the CPD was saying, there were two things going on:

    1. They were trying to lure Smollett into further perjuring himself and giving up more incriminating evidence (such as his cell phone) while not letting him know what they knew.

    2. The CPD brass were being careful not to get Watsoned by the Left until they had the case against Smollett locked up – “What, you don’t believe this proud gay black man, you white cop racists, you?” It’s hard to complete an investigation if you have been Watsoned out of your job and posthumous rehabilitation really isn’t the best kind.
     
    Is Sopan Deb's babe in the woods routine sincere or is he just incredibly stupid?

    CPD was not going to give Smollett an excuse not to cooperate - saying publicly "we still consider Smollett a victim" deprives him of the excuse to refuse to give access to evidence when asked. If they had said "our experienced detectives think this guy is full of soup and lots of the details don't check out but we don't have the evidence to prove that the whole thing is a hoax yet" it would have given Smollett the excuse to deflect the attention and rail against the "racist white cops who don't protect black bodies when they're not busy breaking them" or some nonsense.

    Sopan Deb’s last article doesn’t mention the race or nationality of the brothers, and he names them (Olabinjo Osundairo and Abimbola Osundairo) 11 paragraphs into the story.

    NYT reporting at its finest.

  285. @Almost Missouri
    Agree. And remember that to this day there are people who still believe that Tawana Brawley really was abducted, raped smeared with feces and tossed away in a trash bag by a secret cabal of white racist police and prosecutors.

    Just like a lot of people still believe that the Duke lacrosse players were guilty.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    I'm impressed a European knows that story. Did it actually get airplay over there, or are you preternaturally familiar with the American political scene?
  286. @Rosie
    The entire justification for the double standard regarding identity politics in this country is that certain classes of people constitute "victim groups." Yet they are privileged in the workplace, and every alleged "hate crime" against them turns out to be a hoax. At what point do clueless Whites recognize that they are not, in fact, victims of anything?

    All violent crimes are hate crimes. Violence is hate. A Black guy murdered his White co-workers in Aurora, Illinois because he had hate in his heart that day not love in his heart.

  287. @ic1000
    In this latest set of comments, you typed fast, but you didn't think fast. Or clearly.

    > Fake News... leads people to become patently stupid. How? Because... A person who desires... In this manner... Instead... You... You are being duped.

    Corvinus, you are doing the hard work of generalizing and fantasizing, in order to patronize somebody you've never met.

    > The reality is that today’s news reports, whether it be the mainstream, the Coalition of the Fringes, or bloggers, write stories based on facts, which may or may not be interpreted in a way that puts “spin” on them. Mr. Sailer engages in the SAME conduct as the editors in the NYT or at the major networks–each decides what will be emphasized, deemphasized, or not covered at all. As soon as... Right then and there... End of... In a similar... End... Again, BOTH sides are guilty... Whenever each ends...

    Corvinus, more hard work. Izvestia, Journal of Cell Biology, Robert MacNeill, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Howard Zinn -- they're all the same!

    > You are being bamboozled.

    It's silly to patronize people on the basis of stuff you're projecting onto them. Commenter res might say that it's fallacious.

    > I was talking about the past several years, not 2019. That would be a strawman on your part.

    Show your good faith by citing specifics. Even if they are from long ago. At least I'd know what you're trying to discuss. That's why I asked.

    > OK, so let’s talk about them [Kyle Yorlets, Gregory Price, Austin Burroughs, Jack Hough, Carlie Beaudin]. What do you want to focus on?

    Corvinus, you wanted to talk about "regular" crimes as well as hate hoaxes "hate" crimes. I opined that many high-time-preference, low-intelligence black street criminals have an anti-white animus, and that the prestige press is quite diligent in not illuminating this issue. Most of my Whitopia-residing extended family are convinced that no such pattern exists. You seem to agree: if you are white or Asian, can I ask where you live? If it's "around here" -- you don't worry about your daughter getting mugged by reality, or worse?

    > ...Regardless, you have some investigating to do.

    Sure I do.

    “Corvinus, you are doing the hard work of generalizing and fantasizing, in order to patronize somebody you’ve never met.”

    No generalizing or fantasizing, just stating something that is accurate. Note that you neglected to specifically address what I presented.

    ” Izvestia, Journal of Cell Biology, Robert MacNeill, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Howard Zinn — they’re all the same!”

    False equivalency. I am referring to the media and bloggers. One of your examples fit that criteria.

    “Show your good faith by citing specifics.”

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2017

    https://www.ncjrs.gov/hate-crime/prevalence.html

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/14/us/hate-crimes-muslim-white-fbi-trnd/index.html
    (Discusses hate crimes rising against Muslims and….whites)

    https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/13/fbi-hate-crime-muslims-hispanics

    https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/hate-crime
    (Specific stories)

    So how many hate crimes do you believe are “hoaxes”? How do you exactly know? OR, in your book, are all hate crimes “hoaxes” no matter what?

    ‘I opined that many high-time-preference, low-intelligence black street criminals have an anti-white animus…”

    You mean offered your opinion. Sure, there are those darkie criminals who are mad as hell against whites, no different than white Southerners having an “anti-black animus”. I’m fairly certain those same darkie criminals have a motivation against their fellow darkie brethren to get rich at their expense as well.

    Now, if you are going to say “many” and that a “pattern” exists, then you must offer numerous examples of those darkies who clearly indicated they committed crimes against white people due to their skin color. Then we can definitively say there is this “pattern”. Now, it is certainly is possible, and maybe even likely.

    “Most of my Whitopia-residing extended family are convinced that no such pattern exists.”

    So if and when they offer contrary reasons, do you think “hmmm, they could be right, let me reexamine my views”, or do you automatically dismiss them as being suckered into believing “Fake News”?

    “You seem to agree: if you are white or Asian, can I ask where you live?”

    Diverse middle class suburban neighborhood. I don’t have to worry about Julius raping my daughter or Abdul lobbing Molotov cocktails at my doorstep. We have nice folks. See, the browns, darkies, and yellows who have money do not want to associate with their brethren who do not have a similar economic standing. It’s more about social class, not necessarily about race or ethnicity.

    • Troll: ic1000
    • Replies: @Thea
    The entire concept of a hate crime is an unconstitutional farce.
    , @Daniel Williams

    Now, if you are going to say “many” and that a “pattern” exists, then you must offer numerous examples of those darkies who clearly indicated they committed crimes against white people due to their skin color. Then we can definitively say there is this “pattern”. Now, it is certainly is possible, and maybe even likely.
     
    Paul Kersey, James LaFond, and Colin Flaherty have made careers demonstrating that this pattern exists, calling attention to it, and cataloging example after example.

    If you hang around this scene a lot—even as a troll—surely you’re familiar with their work.
    , @ic1000
    Our exchange started at #45, where you said a few sensible things and a bunch of dumb stuff.

    I responded at #105, calling you on some of your sillier ideas, e.g. your False Equivalence fallacy:


    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence (“hate” crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false.
     
    No, as others have pointed out, the Prestige Press jumps on appealing stories and powers them onto the national stage. But already in 2019, the Press has lost control of Handsome White Criminal and Covington and, now, Smollett. They're stuck with Hate Hoax tar babies. Forgotten nothing and learned nothing.

    If you wanted to show that your bete noire Steve Sailer is just as guilty: you could have provided convincing links to make that case. But you passed.

    You also wanted to talk about "regular" criminals. So I linked to six recent terrible cases of black-on-white mayhem, any of which could have elements of anti-whitism in them -- certainly more than the amount of anti-black and anti-Native American animus shown by Nick Sandmann. And that amount, which was zero, was quite enough for the Prestige Press to gin up a Two Minutes Hate.

    It's plausible that anti-whitism motivated some of these criminals. There's plenty of precedent. Eldridge Cleaver's rapes. The Knockout Game and Polar Bear Hunting. Omar Sheriff Thornton murdering white "racists." The only way to find out would be for the Press to investigate. They don't.

    Above (#218), you linked to five compilations of "hate crimes." That's sort-of appreciated, though I also know how to Google. Your trivial point was that all sorts of people commit hateful acts against all sorts of other people. In future, please direct that argument to somebody who disagrees, rather than to me.

    Your #218 was more notable for your description of black people as "darkies," five times over. As you know, that is derogatory. In your diverse neighborhood, do you seek out African-Americans to insult them with this moniker? I didn't think so. Rather, it's a ploy to put offensive words in my mouth. I note the tactic.

    As far as "I don’t have to worry about Julius raping my daughter or Abdul lobbing Molotov cocktails at my doorstep" -- more of that tawdry debating style. As to the substance of your remark, I wish I had the good fortune to choose a neighborhood like yours -- nice people, middle class, safe streets, good schools, acceptable city services, stable property values, and racially and culturally diverse. To my knowledge, if Diverse means a higher than a single-digit NAM fraction of residents, no such place exists near where I live.

    But I travel regularly to inner-city neighborhoods. If you do, your risks are much the same as mine. In the wrong situation, "some of my best friends are" won't mean much. Even though I don't care for your online persona, I don't want to see you featured on one of those depressing 11 PM local news stories. I hope that IRL you're street-wise, less glib than you portray yourself on-screen.

  288. @res

    You mean the story failed to make sense a couple of days later when the police were conducting their investigation into the matter
     
    The story failed to make sense from the very beginning (iSteve's initial post on this hate hoax showed that clearly). To anyone with a modicum of common sense. Which obviously excludes you so carry on.

    “The story failed to make sense from the very beginning”

    No. Until more information came out, then there were more questions about what happened. The media and the Alt Right immediately went all full-throttle Pavlovian because that is what they do with these incidents of “hate”. They offer commentary about how it actually happened or how it never occurred.

    • LOL: res
    • Replies: @anon
    No. Until more information came out, then there were more questions about what happened.

    Are you sure, Corvy? Because we were right, remember?

    Maybe the problem is just that we're smarter than you, so we're better able to recognize patterns.

    When you consider the fact that we always get these stories right, whereas you are usually wrong, maybe you'd see that it would be a better idea to listen to us, instead of lecturing us.

    The media and the Alt Right immediately went all full-throttle Pavlovian because that is what they do with these incidents of “hate”.

    We don't always. I don't remember any of us saying that the Philadelphia synagogue shooting was a hoax. We only say something is a hoax when it's obviously a hoax.

    Which, I must remind you, is most of the time, when it comes to cases in the media.

    Why are we so much better than the media, and you?
    , @Coag

    The media and the Alt Right immediately went all full-throttle Pavlovian because that is what they do with these incidents of “hate”. They offer commentary about how it actually happened or how it never occurred.
     
    Yet between the media and the alt right, one of them was utterly, embarrassingly wrong and the other was comprehensively and categorically right. Surely that must count for something.
    , @Alfa158
    Well yes, actually it did fail to make sense from the very beginning.
    MagaMen were wandering around a 95% anti-Trump neighborhood at 2AM, in below zero weather, carrying bleach and a noose, stumbled upon an actor they wouldn’t have been able to pick out of a lineup, who performs on a TV show they would have never heard of, called him out as who he was, beat him up while leaving only a minor scratch on his face, and fled. I’m a Trump voter living in the middle of show business country and no one I know had ever heard of either Juicy or Empire until this story broke.
    That was on the same level of credibility as Juicy claiming he was abducted by little gray aliens who probed him. The story was on its face ludicrous from the beginning and was only sustained by people desperately wanting to believe it was true.
    , @Jefferson
    "The story failed to make sense from the very beginning”

    No."

    Yes it did fail to make sense from the very beginning. Chicago is not exactly American History X territory where White Nationalists terrorizing Black Homosexuals is as common as jaywalking.
  289. • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Also, no hate crime charges and the perps were all released on parole.

    It's almost as if there are two legal systems: a funnel trap for the white man, and a revolving door for the diverse.
    , @ic1000
    Thanks, Caleb Hull's tweets provide helpful context.

    Further thoughts here, in a later iSteve thread.
  290. @Ted Bell
    What's wrong with white people?

    I think it's long past the time where any civilized society would conclude that there's something seriously wrong with us. What is it that compels us to not only put up with behavior like this, but to almost deify those engaging in it? We live in a society in which people who believe themselves to be oppressed, simultaneously believe, correctly, that they can get ahead by increasing their own (perceived) oppression. And a large minority of whites cheer them on for it. Even worse, they insist that a black man falsely claiming to have been lynched, somehow proves that every white man secretly wanted to lynch him. It's insanity on a level that I've never been able to comprehend. But somehow, the insanity keeps increasing. I can't think of any actual oppressors in history who were so deeply terrified of disapproval from those they oppressed. It's only modern day whites who give such power to people we supposedly hate.

    The problem here isn't the black man doing something that he's learned will benefit him. The problem is the white people who have come to believe they can expunge their ancestors' racism by displaying even more racism to their fellow whites.

    We've completely overshot the Orwellian world so many of us fear, and landed instead in the realm of Lewis Carroll.


    Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality.
    – The Cheshire Cat

    Are you the same Ted Bell who operates that crappy steak house in Beverly Hills?

    • Replies: @Ted Bell
    You know those baked potatoes wrapped in tin foil? I invented that.
  291. anon[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "The story failed to make sense from the very beginning"

    No. Until more information came out, then there were more questions about what happened. The media and the Alt Right immediately went all full-throttle Pavlovian because that is what they do with these incidents of "hate". They offer commentary about how it actually happened or how it never occurred.

    No. Until more information came out, then there were more questions about what happened.

    Are you sure, Corvy? Because we were right, remember?

    Maybe the problem is just that we’re smarter than you, so we’re better able to recognize patterns.

    When you consider the fact that we always get these stories right, whereas you are usually wrong, maybe you’d see that it would be a better idea to listen to us, instead of lecturing us.

    The media and the Alt Right immediately went all full-throttle Pavlovian because that is what they do with these incidents of “hate”.

    We don’t always. I don’t remember any of us saying that the Philadelphia synagogue shooting was a hoax. We only say something is a hoax when it’s obviously a hoax.

    Which, I must remind you, is most of the time, when it comes to cases in the media.

    Why are we so much better than the media, and you?

  292. @Corvinus
    There were many red flags to begin with, especially since Chicago has surveillance cameras everywhere and Smollett refused to give up his phone records.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too. Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out. When the situation is indeed other than a hoax, nary a peep from them. The story goes down the rabbit hole.

    In a similar fashion, just because this situation was reported as a hoax does not mean that people should not seek to clarify if it was a hoax. Of course, the MSM and SJWs will say it AUTOMATICALLY occurred without letting matters fully play out. When the situation becomes one that it is a hoax, nary a peep from them.

    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence ("hate" crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false. It's click bait. It serves as fodder for news stories and blogs. So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says "Fake News". When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says "we're misled, we're sorry".

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Whether it be a "regular" crime or a "hate" crime is not the point. So take each case on its merits, wait a week for it to all play out, and then make the call.

    That is normie thing to do.

    I think the distinction you are missing is that the left invented “hate crimes.” Assaults of all varieties were formerly just known as crimes. But because of leftist legislation some crimes are now hatier than others.

  293. @Buffalo Joe
    Corvi, The media creates hate hoaxes. Watch the full tape of the encounter between Nathan Philips and the Covington Boys and see how they created a hoax right in front of our eyes.

    “Corvi, The media creates hate hoaxes.”

    You mean events are twisted and turned by the right and the left to suit their narrative, which may or may not turn out to be a hoax. It is a matter of perception. The media reports an incident and labels it “hate”. In turn, the Alt Right provides their own commentary and labels it a “hoax”. Supporters on both sides dig their heels in. When the event is indeed shown by law enforcement to be a “hate crime”, the media says “See, told you so”, and the Alt Right says “you lie”. When the event is demonstrated to be made by law enforcement and not a “hate crime”, the media says “Oh, well, nothing to see here” and the Alt Right says “see, you lied now, and you will lie in the future”. Which may or may not be true. Regardless, those events which turned out to be hoaxes does not mean future events are also undoubtedly hoaxes. They could be, but they also could not be.

    In this specific case, it would appear that the Smollet case is a hoax. There should be stiff consequences for him, period. Again, the Alt Right and conservatives will equate that this incident is indicative for ALL or MOST similar events to be a “hoax”. In that manner, there is little thinking involved. When there are actual circumstances involved in a “hate” crime, people are quick to say “Fake News” or “hate hoax” without actually delving into what occurred. It makes people patently dumber.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil

    ...the Alt Right and conservatives will equate that this incident is indicative for ALL or MOST similar events to be a “hoax”...
     
    So what's your first language?

    It clearly isn't English.
  294. @Jack D
    Absolutely - compelling video is the sina qua non of modern viral media. The cops can beat up a thousand black guys but if you get good video of them beating up ONE, then all of LA burns. As big a story as this was, it would have been even bigger, much bigger if there was a video clip they could have shown over and over of Jussie getting smacked around by the MAGA hat wearers. Too bad that Jussie was an idiot and couldn't even stage his hoax in camera range.

    Too bad for America that even an idiotic hoax cannot be seen through by our esteemed press and leaders. So far the Russians and the Chinese haven't been that good at pulling off hoaxes either. It's very hard to understand what will resonate in a foreign culture. But someday, with enough help from Chinese who have been educated here and understand American culture better, they may get good enough to pull off these things convincingly in a way that will further their goals in some major way. They can see that America has feet of clay - that it is racially divided and that the leadership and the press is too biased or cowardly to call a spade a spade and they are going to figure out how to exploit this some day, big time.

    Our esteemed press and leaders did not see through the idiotic hoax because they did not want to see through it. They didn’t care whether or not it was a hoax because even if it was, from their standpoint it was a hoax that illustrated the “real” truth. Even now they are struggling mightily to avoid seeing it and will memory hole it as soon as possible. It will re-emerge in a few years as a legend about how the evil racist MagaMen tried to subjugate oppressed people before they were defeated and the US was placed back on the path of Justice (no pun intended). The only thing they will learn is that hoaxes have to be more carefully constructed, this one fell apart despite the Herculean efforts of everyone who really matters to sustain it.

  295. @Nigel Shortcastle
    This was a special kind of false flag known as the "fake noose"

    A false flax.

  296. @Jefferson
    The name Jussie looks like a stage name for a Black female porn star or a Black female stripper because the name Jussie looks like it would be pronounced as Juicy. Either way it's not as masculine name for a Brotha, no wonder he turned out to be Gay. Suge Knight had the good sense to drop the Marion from his name.

    “Suge Knight had the good sense to drop the Marion from his name.”

    So did John Wayne.

  297. @Almost Missouri
    Personally, I date the American Fall of the Republic back to the New Deal in the 1930s. That's when the Constitutional old dispensation of liberty was first paved over by the centralized but fake new dispensation of welfare. It's not just me. I'm told the Constitution's author, James Madison, was asked in 1929 how long he expected the Constitution to last and he gave it "about a century".

    You may say that doesn't make for a very long Imperial period, but we don't know how long it will still last, and even in the slower Roman times, I would argue that the Roman Empire really only lasted until the Crisis of the 3rd century, by which time most Romans were immiserated. The temporary imperial recovery in the 4th century was just a partial resurrection of a sort zombie parody of the original empire, brought about by the willpower of a few extraordinary leaders, and which proved to have no staying power once they departed the scene.

    I mean 1829 ( + one century = 1929).

  298. Here’s the angle Smollett and his supporters should take: Call it the Nick Smith defense. It was a composite!

  299. @Anon
    I'm waiting for a reaction of Robin Roberts of Nightline.

    I just watched part of that interview, and I think that it was a big mistake on his part. He comes off as a psychopath just lying to her face like that, crying and so on. Had he not done the interview he could pass himself off as a garden-variety anti-social narcissistic liar and general asshole, someone who might be forgiven somewhere down the line.

    I'm also nonplussed by stupid his plot is. All criminal plots are stupid, but this one:

    -- Relied on two guys keeping quiet who don't seem like they would be that motivated to keep quiet (I guess the manager and choreographer were not in on it? If they were, even worse), and who would be blackmailing him forever ... no more extra gigs would produce a falling out

    -- Too many records to cause trouble: cameras, plane tickets, phone calls, receipts

    -- No real injury to him, no damage to his cell phone, intact sandwich

    -- Is the fake ransom-note-style letter part of it? If so, it brought the feds into the case, which you want to avoid

    One sign of a fake white on black hate crime is that you can recognize the projection. White people in the 21st century do not think about nooses that much. They do not associate nooses with racism. Nooses are Saddam Hussein and maybe old western movies on cable. Blacks are brainwashed by constant "last 50 years didn't happen" lynching paranoia. Maybe young progressives who take grievance studies are also. But right wingers don't take those college courses and thus are not noose aware.

    I think this applies to MAGA hat obsession also. For other targets, swatztikas. Jews are super into swatztikas, much more than anti-Semitic guys.

    In general, look at the weird stereotypes that the left has and if they occur in a hate crime, it's evidence of a possible hoaz.

    Look, I can take lying, deceit, fake nooses, and paying off people. But an “intact sandwich?” NEVER! That’s where I draw the line!!!

  300. @Nigel Shortcastle
    This was a special kind of false flag known as the "fake noose"

    “Fake Noose” could trend bigly, let’s run with it

  301. @Corvinus
    There were many red flags to begin with, especially since Chicago has surveillance cameras everywhere and Smollett refused to give up his phone records.

    But before everyone gets too excited, just because this situation is indeed a hoax does not mean that any and all similar situations are hoaxes, too. Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out. When the situation is indeed other than a hoax, nary a peep from them. The story goes down the rabbit hole.

    In a similar fashion, just because this situation was reported as a hoax does not mean that people should not seek to clarify if it was a hoax. Of course, the MSM and SJWs will say it AUTOMATICALLY occurred without letting matters fully play out. When the situation becomes one that it is a hoax, nary a peep from them.

    Both sides tend to be irrational when it comes to this particular occurrence ("hate" crimes). Both sides of the media are quick to jump on this particular story as being observably true or false. It's click bait. It serves as fodder for news stories and blogs. So when legitimate instances occur, the Alt Right says "Fake News". When illegitimate instances occur, the MSM says "we're misled, we're sorry".

    The bottom line and actual truth here is that there are situations where Americans are assaulted because they are different, whether it be due to their race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Whether it be a "regular" crime or a "hate" crime is not the point. So take each case on its merits, wait a week for it to all play out, and then make the call.

    That is normie thing to do.

    “Of course, conservative media and the Alt Right will say it AUTOMATICALLY is a hoax without letting matters fully play out.”

    I read a lot about Chicago street gang culture like Simon City Royals, Gangster Disciples, Almighty Vice Lord Nation, La Raza Nation, etc so when Jussie Smollett claimed he was attacked by a White Supremacist “MAGA” gang in Chicago ofcourse I’m going to immediately call it a hoax. There are ZERO White Nationalist street gangs in Chicago, this isn’t Bumbfuck Rural Montana where you might find a bunch of Alt-Right White Nationalist skinheads selling meth out of their trailer. Chicago gangbangers are 100% vibrantly diverse.

  302. @Almost Missouri

    "A question: What is the point of going to all the trouble of staging a false flag attack if you don’t get video of it? Did Jussie assume that cameras cover every spot in super-high density Streeterville (near Chicago’s Navy Pier) and he just happened to pick the one place without video coverage?"
     
    Another question: If the Nigerian bros knew they were participating in a criminal hoax, why are they being let go as "innocent"?

    Because they’re material witnesses.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    In which case, shouldn't they be detained too?