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From the Daily Mail, a useful reality check:

What happened to girl power? Australia’s national women’s soccer team the Matildas lose 7-0 to an under FIFTEENS boys’ side

Australian women soccer team Matildas played Newcastle Jets u/15 boys
The match played in Newcastle saw the Matildas thrashed 7-0 by the boys
Matildas were without their international stars but still had plenty of talent
The girls play New Zealand in a friendly next month in preparation for Rio
By CAMERON PHELPS FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA
PUBLISHED: 23:49 EST, 25 May 2016 |

Australia’s national women’s soccer team have suffered a devastating defeat in the lead up to the Rio Olympics – going down 7-0 to the Newcastle Jets under-15 boys side.

What is particularly concerning for the Matildas is that despite resting some regulars, they were still able to field experienced international stars including former AFC player of the year Katrina Gorry.

Despite the embarrassing defeat on Wednesday night at Valentine Sports Park in Newcastle, the Australian team will travel to Brazil as one of the gold medal favourites. …

Egmond said that the Matildas are often forced to play against boys teams as trying to find quality female opposition can be difficult.

It may not be the first time that the Australian team have suffered a heavy defeat against school boys with claims that they were ‘smashed’ by an under 16 Sydney FC team last year circulating. …

In the 2015 Women’s World Cup in Canada, the team reached the quarter finals, losing to eventual winners Japan.

Back in 1976, I was a big track and field fan because Notre Dame HS in Sherman Oaks, CA had a league champion track team. Later that summer, I looked at times of the U.S. women’s Olympic track team in Montreal and calculated that, adjusting for yards vs. meters differences and the like, a dual meet between the American Olympic women team and the Notre Dame HS boys team would be a close run thing, with a narrow victory for the Olympic women’s team being my best guess. Granted, the 1976 East German women’s team would beat my high school’s boy’s team …

In 1984 and 1988, US women’s Olympic performances improved, so that was taken as proving that discrimination and society’s expectations etc etc had been what was holding women back in 1976. But then the IOC introduced less credulous steroids testing in 1989 and …

In other words, the basic lesson taught by decades of high level women’s sports is that Biochemistry Rules.

Thus, women need Separate but Equal sports.

The world has responded by erecting at vast expense a separate playground for women to compete only against other women.

But ideological momentum threatens women’s sports’ fundamental building block of discrimination against non-women. An early wave of Transmania thrust “Renee” Richards into women’s tennis in the 1970s.

But then it receded for a while, until World War T was started up to give SJW’s something to do when World War G was won.

Now, though, it’s back because Discrimination Is Bad, and that is all ye know on earth, and all ye need to know:

“… it is very possible we could have an all-intersex podium in the 800m in Rio, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see as many as five intersex women in the eight-person final,” she said.

From the Daily Mail:

Transgender British athletes born male set to make Olympic history by competing in the games as women

Two British athletes born male set to compete as women in Olympics
The unnamed pair would make history as first transgender Olympians

 
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  1. countenance says: • Website

    Either last year or the year before, USWMT played U-17 USMNT in an exhibition. Guess who won. These are America’s best adult women versus America’s best high school aged guys.

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    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    The top Premier soccer club in my state fields boys' and girls' teams at a variety of age levels. A few years ago, the boys' U-15 team and girls' U-18 team both won state championships. Someone in the organization thought it would be a good idea for the two teams to play a "friendly". Much to the shock of the SWPL parents in the stands, the boys won by the selfsame 7-0 score, with the boys' coach forbidding them from shooting during the final 20 minutes, and directing them to simply play "keep-away" with the ball.

    Plot twist: Every one of the girls' starters went on to play college soccer on a full scholarship the next fall. The boys all went on to their freshman year of high school.
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  2. In spite of this women will demand, and be granted the right to play in all men’s leagues like the NFL, NHL, Premier League and so on. This will probably come to pass within five years and will spell the end of professional sports as we know them.

    Team and league owners must understand this but just like the men in the early twentieth century who didn’t have the fortitude to tell women “NO!” when they demanded the right to vote (with the civilization wrecking consequences that terrible decision has brought), these men are also too weak to say No!

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    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Women already have the right to compete in the NFL etc.

    A woman pitched a few games in the lowest level of minor league baseball a couple of decades ago. She had played Div 3 baseball in college and had shut out Caltech.

    She was pretty bad in the minors but she was a lot better than I'd be. She could throw in the 70s when everything was working right. Her dad had been a minor leaguer.

    , @Olorin

    This will probably come to pass within five years and will spell the end of professional sports as we know them.
     
    The horrah! The horrah! What a historioclysm that would be!!

    The Age of Roone Arledge--which is actually the Age of Edgar Scherick--would come to a close!

    http://www.lukeford.net/profiles/profiles/edgar_scherick.htm

    The sooner professional sports implode like the face of a Bill Plympton character, the better.
  3. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    I really like your reference to Keats and I think that Emily Dickinson would have as well.

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  4. Liberals never think about the consequences of their moral preening. And they could care less when things go awry.

    It’s like the old argument about Socialism – it’s not the idea that is wrong, just its implementation! Just wait until somebody Real Smart (like Hillary) tries it.

    God bless America.

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  5. @Johnny Smoggins
    In spite of this women will demand, and be granted the right to play in all men's leagues like the NFL, NHL, Premier League and so on. This will probably come to pass within five years and will spell the end of professional sports as we know them.

    Team and league owners must understand this but just like the men in the early twentieth century who didn't have the fortitude to tell women "NO!" when they demanded the right to vote (with the civilization wrecking consequences that terrible decision has brought), these men are also too weak to say No!

    Women already have the right to compete in the NFL etc.

    A woman pitched a few games in the lowest level of minor league baseball a couple of decades ago. She had played Div 3 baseball in college and had shut out Caltech.

    She was pretty bad in the minors but she was a lot better than I’d be. She could throw in the 70s when everything was working right. Her dad had been a minor leaguer.

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    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
    In that case let me rephrase that; women will demand the right to play in men's leagues in spite of not being able to compete with men. Everyone will just have to pretend otherwise. Just as today we have women "firemen" and "Marines" and "CEOs".
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, a few years ago, two boys in our school district went out for the Field Hockey team, which is a girls' sport. Opposing coaches threatened to boycott scheduled games and in essence forfeit a game. One opposing coach claimed that one boy was too tall and his swing would bring his stick up to a dangerous level, even though she had a girl who was 6'-2". Eventually the boys withdrew their request to play. I still believe they were just stirring some shit ,but good for them. ESPN is a strong proponent of this gender sports equality. Remember just a year ago they were hyping Rhonda Rousey as a capable opponent to Floyd Mayweather, yeah, right. Rousey, ESPN's best female athlete ever, had her ass handed to her by Holly Hahn. Recent commercials for the WNBA have NBA stars claiming that they love the women's game. I watched a bit of one game, the McDonald's HS Prep team would trounce the WNBA's best team by at least 20 points.
    , @whorefinder
    There was some chick in the 90s who played minor league hockey....as a goalie. She never made it.

    The old 90's movie Necessary Roughness had a female place kicker for the team. Of course, it was played by a still-in-her-prime Kathy Ireland, so I didn't mind.

    Like priming us for a black president, pop culture has tried to prime us for a female athlete among the elites. Reality just keeps catching up with them so.
  6. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    There is a similar issue in Advanced Placement testing.

    Those who check black on the form where it asks for race get at least a level boost in score (ie, from a 2 to a 3, a 3 to a 4 etc.)

    I have had one teacher tell that to me who further tells me another teacher has noticed it as well.

    I guess such students are just transracial individuals.

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    • Replies: @Triumph104
    That's not true. Most AP exams taken by black are failed.

    Nationwide in 2015, the pass rate for blacks was 29.2%, Hispanics 40.4%, whites 62.4%, and Asians 67.3%. This is the same racial discrepancy seen on all standardized exams.


    http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2015/15%2012%2010%20AP%20Exams%20Prin.memo.pdf
  7. George says:

    “Two British athletes born male set to compete as women in Olympics ”

    Maybe the British would be better off with Sharia law.

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  8. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    OK, lots of people are in trouble now:

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/04/hello-racist-website-launched-expose-unknown-bigots/

    Oh, wait, that word has been overused.

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    That Hello Racist site is excellent! Disqus comments enabled which means its already overrun by the shitlord community. Though I see one or two leftists have made a feeble attempt to defend their turf.

    The Disqus threads are here:

    https://disqus.com/home/forum/helloracist/
  9. vinny says:

    Deadspin, of all places, has a pretty well-considered article on the subject fairly recently.

    “Should There Be Testosterone Limits For Women In Athletics?”

    http://fittish.deadspin.com/should-there-be-testosterone-limits-for-women-in-athlet-1778330172

    It sounds like there are plenty of fans of women’s sports out there who are worried about this very problem, but they’re likely to get crushed. It’s World War T, after all.

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    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    I'm far more concerned about the failure to get a minimum cup size imposed in women's beach volley ball.
  10. @Steve Sailer
    Women already have the right to compete in the NFL etc.

    A woman pitched a few games in the lowest level of minor league baseball a couple of decades ago. She had played Div 3 baseball in college and had shut out Caltech.

    She was pretty bad in the minors but she was a lot better than I'd be. She could throw in the 70s when everything was working right. Her dad had been a minor leaguer.

    In that case let me rephrase that; women will demand the right to play in men’s leagues in spite of not being able to compete with men. Everyone will just have to pretend otherwise. Just as today we have women “firemen” and “Marines” and “CEOs”.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    But Americans take the NFL more seriously than they take fighting fires or fighting enemies, so sex preferences for women to play in the NFL is a long, long way off. We'll have to have women head coaches first and the like.

    I know, the progressive residents of New England can set another good example for the rest of us by demanding that the Patriots fire Bill Belichick and hire a woman head coach for the Patriots!

    That'll happen real soon.

    , @Ivy
    Women don't belong in the SEALS, Rangers, Delta Force or similar organizations. Would you trust your life to a colleague who got in due to lowered standards? That wouldn't do you any good if you needed to be carried out of combat to the LZ, and the other survivor couldn't manage that. Veterans I know do not support relaxing standards just to be PC. Title IX concepts don't translate to potential Title KIA situations.
  11. @Johnny Smoggins
    In that case let me rephrase that; women will demand the right to play in men's leagues in spite of not being able to compete with men. Everyone will just have to pretend otherwise. Just as today we have women "firemen" and "Marines" and "CEOs".

    But Americans take the NFL more seriously than they take fighting fires or fighting enemies, so sex preferences for women to play in the NFL is a long, long way off. We’ll have to have women head coaches first and the like.

    I know, the progressive residents of New England can set another good example for the rest of us by demanding that the Patriots fire Bill Belichick and hire a woman head coach for the Patriots!

    That’ll happen real soon.

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    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    We’ll have to have women head coaches first and the like.
     
    They've already made the sideline reporter job almost exclusively female. I imagine coaching is just around the corner. I used to like watching Dr. Jerry Punch do the sideline reporting. He was a real MD and he'd give his two cents about players' injuries. I found him a heck of lot more informative than the women who have taken over the position.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, maybe you missed it but Rex Ryan, the Bill's head coach, has hired the first women positional coach...special teams.
    , @kaganovitch
    "But Americans take the NFL more seriously than they take fighting fires or fighting enemies, so sex preferences for women to play in the NFL is a long, long way off. "


    As the great Vince Lombardi said "Football is not a matter of life and death, it's much more important than that"
  12. Barnard says:

    Early in her career, Serena Williams made some dumb comments about wanting to compete in a men’s tournament. She later took them back, but not until getting embarrassed by a journeyman pro. Someone at the time said any man ranked within the top 500 in the world could beat her.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/serena-seeks-place-on-mens-tour-741861.html

    Annika Sorenstam and Michelle Wie have both tried to play in men’s golf tournaments without making the cut. Annika made comments about thinking she could finish in the top 100 on the men’s money list, even though that would have required her to earn about $500k. A pro who couldn’t consistently play well enough to stay on tour challenged her to a game and she turned it down. Who knows what would happen if women were pushing for this now.

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    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    Sorenstam played in one event or another when she was tip-top of her game. She didn't make the cut, but wasn't the worst of those that didn't make the cut. It wasn't merely driving distance stopping her, she wasn't as good a putter, short-gamer or mid-iron player as even middle pack of those that made the cut, period.

    If you can't make cuts, you can't play the weekend and you cannot make money. Ladies' golf? Why bother watching and hence, why bother advertising? Typical of women's sports, even women won't watch.

    Women broadcasting sports? Retarded. I'll buy into women broadcasting sports when there's an ugly, sweaty female representative from some woman's sports category on EPSN/NFL broadcasts. Until then, the know-nothing but cute little cookies that shake their cakes for the camera while they tele-prompt their way through a broadcast only represent high-level retardation. The women pretend to know something and the men pretend to listen.

    As I said, retarded.
  13. Ivy says:
    @Johnny Smoggins
    In that case let me rephrase that; women will demand the right to play in men's leagues in spite of not being able to compete with men. Everyone will just have to pretend otherwise. Just as today we have women "firemen" and "Marines" and "CEOs".

    Women don’t belong in the SEALS, Rangers, Delta Force or similar organizations. Would you trust your life to a colleague who got in due to lowered standards? That wouldn’t do you any good if you needed to be carried out of combat to the LZ, and the other survivor couldn’t manage that. Veterans I know do not support relaxing standards just to be PC. Title IX concepts don’t translate to potential Title KIA situations.

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Yeah, but you will never see women in any SOG forces. The neoliberal "invade the world" strategy is currently based on an unwieldy three legged stool of commando actions, drone strikes, and CAS.

    Those commandos are all volunteers, and will flatly refuse to deploy with any female who can't make the cut (and even those who can). They have skills that the private market would pay megabucks for, and have no problem cutting the ties if they feel they are not appreciated to go work for some security corp.

    However since, as everyone on MSNBC and in the Pentagon knows, we'll never fight another large land war again, so we can use the other combat arms (infantry, armor, artillery) as social petri dishes for their insane crusades.
    , @Pagoda
    I don't belong in the SEALs, Rangers, Delta Force, much less the US Army. But back in the day when I was in ROTC, I was faster, stronger and had more endurance than the females, no matter what I did the night before or was currently doing. Showing up drunk, hungover, both. I beat them every time in the Saturday morning run with a full rucksack. Puking optional...Hoorah, pass the Popov. Upside: A few of them were quite cute. Good times, good times...
    , @Marty T
    Women should not be in military combat at all. Even if they somehow physically qualify. It impacts cohesion of the unit.

    Im watching the olympic trials for the womens steeplechase. This is what women's sports should be - cute girls in skimpy outfits running around and staying in shape. But when the mentally ill men start fighting for Title IX scholarships, women's sports advocates will have to decide between women and trannies. I look forward to their decision.
  14. dr kill says:

    I eagerly await seeing some of our TG comrades suited up in the Lingerie Football League.

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  15. Johnny789 says:

    It would be good for society if every MLB team was compelled to have a woman play right field. And every NBA team should have to have a woman on the court at all times. They could just match up against each other.

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  16. @Ivy
    Women don't belong in the SEALS, Rangers, Delta Force or similar organizations. Would you trust your life to a colleague who got in due to lowered standards? That wouldn't do you any good if you needed to be carried out of combat to the LZ, and the other survivor couldn't manage that. Veterans I know do not support relaxing standards just to be PC. Title IX concepts don't translate to potential Title KIA situations.

    Yeah, but you will never see women in any SOG forces. The neoliberal “invade the world” strategy is currently based on an unwieldy three legged stool of commando actions, drone strikes, and CAS.

    Those commandos are all volunteers, and will flatly refuse to deploy with any female who can’t make the cut (and even those who can). They have skills that the private market would pay megabucks for, and have no problem cutting the ties if they feel they are not appreciated to go work for some security corp.

    However since, as everyone on MSNBC and in the Pentagon knows, we’ll never fight another large land war again, so we can use the other combat arms (infantry, armor, artillery) as social petri dishes for their insane crusades.

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  17. Pagoda says:
    @Ivy
    Women don't belong in the SEALS, Rangers, Delta Force or similar organizations. Would you trust your life to a colleague who got in due to lowered standards? That wouldn't do you any good if you needed to be carried out of combat to the LZ, and the other survivor couldn't manage that. Veterans I know do not support relaxing standards just to be PC. Title IX concepts don't translate to potential Title KIA situations.

    I don’t belong in the SEALs, Rangers, Delta Force, much less the US Army. But back in the day when I was in ROTC, I was faster, stronger and had more endurance than the females, no matter what I did the night before or was currently doing. Showing up drunk, hungover, both. I beat them every time in the Saturday morning run with a full rucksack. Puking optional…Hoorah, pass the Popov. Upside: A few of them were quite cute. Good times, good times…

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  18. Sutton says:

    upon the raising of the Union Jack, the UK will have a national “Crying Game” moment.

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  19. Hepp says:

    Let’s hope that trans rights kills them all off. The whole concept of “women’s sports” is political, about cultivating masculinity among girls from a young age. Take a physically inferior group of people and let them compete against one another. Why not sports from those with BMI over 30, or under 5 feet tall? The reason we don’t do that is because no one has an ideology that says that such groups need to be masculinized.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    What will they think of next: only letting kids 12 and under play Little League?
    , @sabril

    The whole concept of “women’s sports” is political
     
    Not entirely -- part of the point is that people like to look at fit women in skimpy outfits.
  20. @Hepp
    Let's hope that trans rights kills them all off. The whole concept of "women's sports" is political, about cultivating masculinity among girls from a young age. Take a physically inferior group of people and let them compete against one another. Why not sports from those with BMI over 30, or under 5 feet tall? The reason we don't do that is because no one has an ideology that says that such groups need to be masculinized.

    What will they think of next: only letting kids 12 and under play Little League?

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  21. Hepp says:
    @Steve Sailer
    What will they think of next: only letting kids 12 and under play Little League?

    You have your analogy, I have mine…

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  22. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Will the MSM play along if there is an all-trans victory podium at the Olympics? The announcers? NBC’s commentators like Bob Costas? Print journalists? ESPN? Sports talk radio? Late night TV comedians?

    This should be interesting to see.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, you made me think of something. Will Caitlyn Jenner be in the booth for women track and field events? If not, why not?
    , @William Badwhite
    "Will the MSM play along if there is an all-trans victory podium at the Olympics? The announcers? "

    Judging by the speed with which they all pretended that Bruce Jenner is a woman, I think it is safe to say that yes, they would play along.
  23. iSteveFan says:
    @Steve Sailer
    But Americans take the NFL more seriously than they take fighting fires or fighting enemies, so sex preferences for women to play in the NFL is a long, long way off. We'll have to have women head coaches first and the like.

    I know, the progressive residents of New England can set another good example for the rest of us by demanding that the Patriots fire Bill Belichick and hire a woman head coach for the Patriots!

    That'll happen real soon.

    We’ll have to have women head coaches first and the like.

    They’ve already made the sideline reporter job almost exclusively female. I imagine coaching is just around the corner. I used to like watching Dr. Jerry Punch do the sideline reporting. He was a real MD and he’d give his two cents about players’ injuries. I found him a heck of lot more informative than the women who have taken over the position.

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    I have often wondered about the marketing research that says female sideline reporters at NFL games are a good idea. Michelle Tafoya could eat crackers in my bed but we wouldn't be talking about football because she knows less than I do which is not much.
  24. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    From the Daily Mail:

    You should have warned us about that picture of Ms. Delia Johnson….

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  25. @Steve Sailer
    Women already have the right to compete in the NFL etc.

    A woman pitched a few games in the lowest level of minor league baseball a couple of decades ago. She had played Div 3 baseball in college and had shut out Caltech.

    She was pretty bad in the minors but she was a lot better than I'd be. She could throw in the 70s when everything was working right. Her dad had been a minor leaguer.

    Steve, a few years ago, two boys in our school district went out for the Field Hockey team, which is a girls’ sport. Opposing coaches threatened to boycott scheduled games and in essence forfeit a game. One opposing coach claimed that one boy was too tall and his swing would bring his stick up to a dangerous level, even though she had a girl who was 6′-2″. Eventually the boys withdrew their request to play. I still believe they were just stirring some shit ,but good for them. ESPN is a strong proponent of this gender sports equality. Remember just a year ago they were hyping Rhonda Rousey as a capable opponent to Floyd Mayweather, yeah, right. Rousey, ESPN’s best female athlete ever, had her ass handed to her by Holly Hahn. Recent commercials for the WNBA have NBA stars claiming that they love the women’s game. I watched a bit of one game, the McDonald’s HS Prep team would trounce the WNBA’s best team by at least 20 points.

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    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    I watched a bit of one game, the McDonald’s HS Prep team would trounce the WNBA’s best team by at least 20 points.

     

    No, you're seriously underestimating the gap between males -- even of high school age -- and females on the basketball court. The WNBA team would struggle to get the ball across the half-court line, much less score frequently enough to keep the margin within 20.
    , @Brutusale
    One thing I can say about the People's Commonwealth of Massachusetts is, in some cases, they walk the walk as well as talking the talk.

    http://espn.go.com/high-school/girl/story/_/id/8055704/massachusetts-era-allows-boys-compete-girls-sports-such-field-hockey-swimming-volleyball-gymnastics

    I know that they make the guys who want to play field hockey wear the skirt.
    , @meh
    "Steve, a few years ago, two boys in our school district went out for the Field Hockey team, which is a girls’ sport. "

    A girls' sport at your school perhaps; but there is also a common American misconception that field hockey is a "female only" sport. Field hockey (just plain "hockey" to most people outside USA/Canada) is a male sport in most of the world (it originated as a male sport and was taken up by women later); due to a weird happenstance of history it was introduced into the USA via women's colleges so we have this idea that it is a "female only" sport. It is not.

    Watch Olympic field hockey, men's and women's. The rules are exactly the same. The men are bigger, faster, stronger, hit the ball a lot harder and further. Yes a boys underaged team could easily beat a top women's team.

    It is the same in all of the ball sports where the rules are the same for men and women: soccer, basketball, field hockey, etc. Top women's teams struggle against average underage boys teams.

  26. @George
    "Two British athletes born male set to compete as women in Olympics "

    Maybe the British would be better off with Sharia law.

    George, But they have to leave their dicks home.

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    • Replies: @vinny
    Don't take your dicks to town, son.
    Leave your dicks at home, Bill;
    Don't take your dicks to town.
  27. @Steve Sailer
    But Americans take the NFL more seriously than they take fighting fires or fighting enemies, so sex preferences for women to play in the NFL is a long, long way off. We'll have to have women head coaches first and the like.

    I know, the progressive residents of New England can set another good example for the rest of us by demanding that the Patriots fire Bill Belichick and hire a woman head coach for the Patriots!

    That'll happen real soon.

    Steve, maybe you missed it but Rex Ryan, the Bill’s head coach, has hired the first women positional coach…special teams.

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    • Replies: @CAL
    You're using the term coach there a bit loosely calling Rex a coach. The NFL is so busy trying to fend off the SJW's at ESPN, etc. that they are committing suicide. Most women who watch football really don't want to see other women involved.

    About the only woman I can tolerate involved with football is Suzy Kolber. She earned my respect for how she handled a drunk Joe Namath during a live interview.
    , @Danindc
    I'm fairly certain she is an advisor not the coach. Too important s position to leave to PC handouts.
  28. vinny says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    George, But they have to leave their dicks home.

    Don’t take your dicks to town, son.
    Leave your dicks at home, Bill;
    Don’t take your dicks to town.

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  29. Wilkey says:

    “But worryingly for British sports fans, they have revealed they are so fearful of being exposed and ridiculed under the Olympic spotlight, they would ‘probably drop back’ if they found themselves in a medal-winning position.”

    So what’s the point if they don’t even intend to win? British track and field will be denied two performers who actually have a chance to medal.

    But they needn’t fear being “outed” if they don’t want to be outed. The “press” will do the work of only telling the public what the public “deserves” to know.

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  30. @anon
    Will the MSM play along if there is an all-trans victory podium at the Olympics? The announcers? NBC's commentators like Bob Costas? Print journalists? ESPN? Sports talk radio? Late night TV comedians?

    This should be interesting to see.

    Anon, you made me think of something. Will Caitlyn Jenner be in the booth for women track and field events? If not, why not?

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    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    Well, according to the National Enquirer, self-castrated Jenner is thinking about pregnancy ...
    , @Jim Don Bob
    If Caitlyn Jenner goes missing, will we see her picture on a carton of half and half?

    Ba-dum. Try the veal. I'll be here all week.
    , @anonymous
    Caitlyn Jenner won't be announcing from the booth, he will be competing in women's heptathelon!

    Yes, that's why he went through all the agony of the sex change stuff. He dreamed of a comeback all these years but knew he wouldn't make it in the men's division so….off with the old and ring in a new life with exciting opportunities.

    In interviews, Jenner expressed optimism about his chances, noting that the women's event doesn't require the pole vault.
  31. @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, a few years ago, two boys in our school district went out for the Field Hockey team, which is a girls' sport. Opposing coaches threatened to boycott scheduled games and in essence forfeit a game. One opposing coach claimed that one boy was too tall and his swing would bring his stick up to a dangerous level, even though she had a girl who was 6'-2". Eventually the boys withdrew their request to play. I still believe they were just stirring some shit ,but good for them. ESPN is a strong proponent of this gender sports equality. Remember just a year ago they were hyping Rhonda Rousey as a capable opponent to Floyd Mayweather, yeah, right. Rousey, ESPN's best female athlete ever, had her ass handed to her by Holly Hahn. Recent commercials for the WNBA have NBA stars claiming that they love the women's game. I watched a bit of one game, the McDonald's HS Prep team would trounce the WNBA's best team by at least 20 points.

    I watched a bit of one game, the McDonald’s HS Prep team would trounce the WNBA’s best team by at least 20 points.

    No, you’re seriously underestimating the gap between males — even of high school age — and females on the basketball court. The WNBA team would struggle to get the ball across the half-court line, much less score frequently enough to keep the margin within 20.

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  32. For a perfect illustration of the effect of steroids on female performance prior to beefed up drug testing, consider the women’s world records in the 100m, 200m, 400m, and long jump where all set in the mid to late 1980′s. No women including those like Marion Jones who used a super steroid has broken them. The world record holder in the long jump from 1901 for men has still jumped further than any woman in the history of the event.

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    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    I believe that Bruce Jenner's winning time in the 400-meter portion of the Olympic decathlon in 1976 is still faster than the stand-alone women's world record in the 400.

    Shouldn't the official keepers of the records recognize that and anoint Bruce/Cait as the women's world record holder?
  33. CAL says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, maybe you missed it but Rex Ryan, the Bill's head coach, has hired the first women positional coach...special teams.

    You’re using the term coach there a bit loosely calling Rex a coach. The NFL is so busy trying to fend off the SJW’s at ESPN, etc. that they are committing suicide. Most women who watch football really don’t want to see other women involved.

    About the only woman I can tolerate involved with football is Suzy Kolber. She earned my respect for how she handled a drunk Joe Namath during a live interview.

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    CAL, Nice hit on Rex, and his now Siamese twin brother, who is also on the Bills' staff. My wife mutes all the sideline commentators when they are women...." I don't want to hear a woman talk about a game they never played, like a guy talking about childbirth." She's feisty, but knows shit about football, but she will get be a sandwich and beer during a commercial.
  34. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    An open letter to South African runner Caster Semenya
    By Eleni Schirmer
    Special to espnW.com

    Dear Caster Semenya,

    When you compete at the Olympics this summer, you won’t be able to hear me cheering for you — I will be thousands of miles away, and you will be in the center of the Olympic stadium in Brazil. I don’t need to tell you that your contest is contested. Many of those watching you — from sports pundits to spectators — have grumbled about your right to compete ever since you won at the 2009 world track and field championship. They have questioned whether you, the fastest woman in the world, are actually a woman. They have contended that you have too much testosterone to participate fairly with other women. Your competitors have sneered at your talent and, with it, your personhood.

    “These kind of people should not run with us. For me she’s not a woman. She’s a man,” your Italian rival Elisa Cusma told a New York Times reporter after your 2009 victory. “Just look at her,” said Mariya Savinova, your Russian challenger.

    Years later, the clouds of doubt surrounding you developed a swiftness of their own. For you to continue competing, officials required that you undergo extensive gender verification.

    After rounds of tests — and even more public criticism, shaming and misgiving that must have been nothing short of humiliating — officials found that your body naturally produced high levels of testosterone. You then spent two years undergoing hormonal therapy.

    [MORE]

    During those years, you continued to compete — brave and tenacious as you are — but your performance lagged, your body no longer surging with its extraordinary cocktail of hormones. This dip assuaged skeptics that your soaring performance was indeed natural, not a result of doping or other synthetic manipulation. Since that time,officials have revised their guidelines– in large part, thanks to you — and no longer enforce an upper limit of testosterone.

    As a result, you will run in Rio with your natural force, your body altered exclusively by the decades of disciplined training required of an Olympian.

    Already you have gone through fire, Caster. I am sorry the world has not learned how to see and accept the complex genius that is your body. But regardless of the questions around your femininity, your feminism is undeniable. Despite others’ doubts and criticism, you have trusted your body. You have fought for your right to fly. This steadfast self-assurance in the strength of your body sets a powerful example for women worldwide.

    Caster, I will be shouting for you not because of the sheer magnitude of your talent, though your performance will set world records. I will be rooting for you because you are creating a legacy for all humans with bodies. You push us to examine the categories we think we belong to, the ones we have come to believe structure the world. Your flight makes us free. Your legacy pushes us to see beyond the cages we’ve created for ourselves.

    There are many differences, Caster, between you and me. For one, the whole world is watching you, whereas I go about my day wrapped in a degree of anonymity. I’m a girl from a middle-class neighborhood, a few bright joys and a few sharp pains dangling from a charmed life. Unlike mine, your body comes with the swiftest legs and the strongest lungs. My body, on the other hand, affords me evening walks with my mother and a pleasant bicycle commute.

    Yet like you, the trappings of my body have granted me voyages that I have neither requested nor refused.

    As a white woman, the fiction of race erases the burdens of its markings from people who look like me, while lethally coding others as black, brown, yellow, red. I am pardoned from racism’s causalities; simultaneously, I receive the incidental benefits of white supremacy’s hierarchy. When I have successes, few declare my triumph is a result of my race. When I fail, no one presumes my white skin contributed to my insufficiencies.

    Similarly, my femininity does not surprise anyone — no one has ever batted an eye at me when I call myself a woman. Caster, though you are neither white nor conventionally feminine, you and I are both captured by the fate of all humans: what we see shapes what we think, what we think filters how we see. This alchemy of perception is difficult to dissolve. We frequently assume our recollections — the skylines of our inner horizons — reflect the reality of the landscapes surrounding us.

    Your body, however, is continually questioned.

    Some wonder what the impact of your competition will be on the future of women’s athletics. People raise these questions because, at its core, competitive sport is an exercise of categorization, a means to sort which bodies perform which tasks at what level. When the gun starts at an 800-meter race, you will surge around the track in a contest over categories: who will occupy which positions on the winners’ podium.

    Unlike much of daily life, competitive sport has a recognized set of rules to structure its chaos. The requirements of victory are objective and known to all.

    Yet such rules come at a cost, as they might enforce categories that our bodies continue to swell beyond. What’s a body? What makes us women? Who gets to decide? The complexity of your speed urges us to interrogate our categories. Do you know that part of Walt Whitman’s “Song of Myself” when he writes, “I am large. I contain multitudes”? I love that part; the passage reminds me of you. Your legacy is large because it contains multitudes, contains contradictions and idiosyncrasies. We all do. Masculine, feminine, black, white.

    Caster, you have been quiet. Maybe you have been holding back, not wanting to show the world just how fast you can be. Perhaps you are scared that your victory will provoke accusations about your right to compete as a woman, provoke more interrogation of your body. Yet the more I listen to debates over your right to compete, the more I realize the categories of our bodies are not too restrictive for you, they are too restrictive for all of us. Don’t hold back. Run fast.

    Show us the song of ourselves.

    Eleni Schirmer is a doctoral student in the University of Wisconsin-Madison’s departments of educational policy studies and curriculum and instruction, where she studies social movements and education. Her writing has appeared in Jacobin, The Progressive, Labor Notes and Education Review.

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  35. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, you made me think of something. Will Caitlyn Jenner be in the booth for women track and field events? If not, why not?

    Well, according to the National Enquirer, self-castrated Jenner is thinking about pregnancy …

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  36. @iSteveFan

    We’ll have to have women head coaches first and the like.
     
    They've already made the sideline reporter job almost exclusively female. I imagine coaching is just around the corner. I used to like watching Dr. Jerry Punch do the sideline reporting. He was a real MD and he'd give his two cents about players' injuries. I found him a heck of lot more informative than the women who have taken over the position.

    I have often wondered about the marketing research that says female sideline reporters at NFL games are a good idea. Michelle Tafoya could eat crackers in my bed but we wouldn’t be talking about football because she knows less than I do which is not much.

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    • Replies: @I, Libertine
    I could be all wrong here, but I've always just assumed that the networks hired hot babes to work the sidelines at NFL games to encourage the players and coaches to come over to the reporter for live interviews.
  37. @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, you made me think of something. Will Caitlyn Jenner be in the booth for women track and field events? If not, why not?

    If Caitlyn Jenner goes missing, will we see her picture on a carton of half and half?

    Ba-dum. Try the veal. I’ll be here all week.

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    • Replies: @Anglo
    I don't know which made me smile more - the corny joke or the sidebar "Try the veal..."
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Don’t pretend like you’ve never guzzled homo milk.
    , @dr kill
    That reminds me of a good joke from the 80's. So what is the perfect way for a father to begin his morning ? Your son's picture on the Wheaties box, your girlfriend's picture in Penthouse, and your ex-wife's picture on the milk carton.
  38. @Barnard
    Early in her career, Serena Williams made some dumb comments about wanting to compete in a men's tournament. She later took them back, but not until getting embarrassed by a journeyman pro. Someone at the time said any man ranked within the top 500 in the world could beat her.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/serena-seeks-place-on-mens-tour-741861.html

    Annika Sorenstam and Michelle Wie have both tried to play in men's golf tournaments without making the cut. Annika made comments about thinking she could finish in the top 100 on the men's money list, even though that would have required her to earn about $500k. A pro who couldn't consistently play well enough to stay on tour challenged her to a game and she turned it down. Who knows what would happen if women were pushing for this now.

    Sorenstam played in one event or another when she was tip-top of her game. She didn’t make the cut, but wasn’t the worst of those that didn’t make the cut. It wasn’t merely driving distance stopping her, she wasn’t as good a putter, short-gamer or mid-iron player as even middle pack of those that made the cut, period.

    If you can’t make cuts, you can’t play the weekend and you cannot make money. Ladies’ golf? Why bother watching and hence, why bother advertising? Typical of women’s sports, even women won’t watch.

    Women broadcasting sports? Retarded. I’ll buy into women broadcasting sports when there’s an ugly, sweaty female representative from some woman’s sports category on EPSN/NFL broadcasts. Until then, the know-nothing but cute little cookies that shake their cakes for the camera while they tele-prompt their way through a broadcast only represent high-level retardation. The women pretend to know something and the men pretend to listen.

    As I said, retarded.

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  39. Gringo says:

    What happened to girl power? Australia’s national women’s soccer team the Matildas lose 7-0 to an under FIFTEENS boys’ side

    I don’t know if it is still done, but at one time, the UConn women’s basketball team would scrimmage against men basketball players- not UConn mens’ varsity, but good intramural players- guys who had played for their teams in high school but weren’t good enough for the big time. Coach Geno Auriemma saw this as a chance for the women to sharpen their skills. As his teams have won 11 NCAA championships in 2 decades, this is apparently a successful approach for women’s basketball.

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  40. Women college basketball players routinely practice against male students. Some colleges are counting these men as female athletes. Title IX requires that the percentage of female athletes equal the percentage of women enrolled in the college. Women simply aren’t that interested in participating in sports so colleges, like UCLA, pad the numbers to keep receiving federal dollars.

    (32:18 mark)

    https://www.revealnews.org/episodes/womens-sports-a-mans-game/

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  41. @The most deplorable one
    There is a similar issue in Advanced Placement testing.

    Those who check black on the form where it asks for race get at least a level boost in score (ie, from a 2 to a 3, a 3 to a 4 etc.)

    I have had one teacher tell that to me who further tells me another teacher has noticed it as well.

    I guess such students are just transracial individuals.

    That’s not true. Most AP exams taken by black are failed.

    Nationwide in 2015, the pass rate for blacks was 29.2%, Hispanics 40.4%, whites 62.4%, and Asians 67.3%. This is the same racial discrepancy seen on all standardized exams.

    http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2015/15%2012%2010%20AP%20Exams%20Prin.memo.pdf

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  42. @Unladen Swallow
    For a perfect illustration of the effect of steroids on female performance prior to beefed up drug testing, consider the women's world records in the 100m, 200m, 400m, and long jump where all set in the mid to late 1980's. No women including those like Marion Jones who used a super steroid has broken them. The world record holder in the long jump from 1901 for men has still jumped further than any woman in the history of the event.

    I believe that Bruce Jenner’s winning time in the 400-meter portion of the Olympic decathlon in 1976 is still faster than the stand-alone women’s world record in the 400.

    Shouldn’t the official keepers of the records recognize that and anoint Bruce/Cait as the women’s world record holder?

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    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @tbraton
    Why not go all the way and declare that the winner of the men's gold medal at the 1976 Olympic decathlon was actually a woman? That alone would show that women can compete with men in track and field.
  43. b.t.o says:

    I am not surprised that people who have no interest in track and field would take a stance that no matter what Castor Semenya shouldnt get her feelings hurt and Oscar Pistorius should be able to make the mens olympic 400m final with a beer gut. If track and field is destroyed in the process who cares?

    I am surprised, however, that the IOC and similar governing bodies are going along for this insane ride.

    I suggest that an underated factor that affects the way the public digests this issue is the mediocrity of the athletes involved. Caster Semenya, despite her presumed world class coaching, is not a particularily talented runner. Her times happen to fall into the world class female range, however that needn’t be the case. Any male high school male 800m runner at the state level can run times that would crush the women’s record (itself a product of the steroid era). If one of these men started competing as a women you could have the spectacle of an intersex athlete winning the 800m by 10 seconds. Obviously this might clue at least a few people into the idea that “socially constructed” is not the primary relevant feature of gender when it comes to track and field races.

    Likewise Oscar Pistorius is a decent athlete, but there is simply no way he would be competitive internationally in the 400m without the blades. His body type simply isn’t up to it. On the other hand, if you were to take an actual elite 400m runner, hypothetically amputate him, and allow him to get comfortable with the blades, the mechanical advantage provided (and ability to train longer without injury) would likely result in a 400m time in the high 30s. This would render the event absurd.

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  44. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, you made me think of something. Will Caitlyn Jenner be in the booth for women track and field events? If not, why not?

    Caitlyn Jenner won’t be announcing from the booth, he will be competing in women’s heptathelon!

    Yes, that’s why he went through all the agony of the sex change stuff. He dreamed of a comeback all these years but knew he wouldn’t make it in the men’s division so….off with the old and ring in a new life with exciting opportunities.

    In interviews, Jenner expressed optimism about his chances, noting that the women’s event doesn’t require the pole vault.

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  45. @countenance
    Either last year or the year before, USWMT played U-17 USMNT in an exhibition. Guess who won. These are America's best adult women versus America's best high school aged guys.

    The top Premier soccer club in my state fields boys’ and girls’ teams at a variety of age levels. A few years ago, the boys’ U-15 team and girls’ U-18 team both won state championships. Someone in the organization thought it would be a good idea for the two teams to play a “friendly”. Much to the shock of the SWPL parents in the stands, the boys won by the selfsame 7-0 score, with the boys’ coach forbidding them from shooting during the final 20 minutes, and directing them to simply play “keep-away” with the ball.

    Plot twist: Every one of the girls’ starters went on to play college soccer on a full scholarship the next fall. The boys all went on to their freshman year of high school.

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  46. The pivot to opening up men’s events to women will not take long.

    The end will not come when sports becomes gender integrated. The end will come when the law requires penalties and remedial affirmative action for women in sports teams obviously dominated by the patriarchy.

    What are men’s sports records, after all, but a cultural artifact of that discredited way of thinking?

    Handicaps for all, and then we’ll see about those so-called world records.

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    NFL teams should be required, by law, to have 50% women, not only as team members, but on the field for every play, and on the coaching staff, and, and, as fans in the stadium, and as people watching the games in sports bars, and watching the game at home.

    Equality!
  47. Lot says:

    The world has responded by erecting at vast expense a separate playground for women to compete only against other women.

    The Michigan Womyn’s music festival that was the biggest annual hippie lesbian event in the USA, thousands at once, ending up shutting down over a failure to deal with lesbian-identified biological males.

    The trans-exclusionary/woman-born-woman policy was in place for a couple decades, but every year attracted larger and larger protests outside the large rural Michigan campground. The policy was softened toward the end, to state male-born lesbians are not specifically excluded, but are asked not to come on the honor system. But that was not enough.

    The organizers just could not keep dealing with growing protests, and your Ani DiFrancos of America are not going to feel comfortable being attacked as transphobic.

    In summary, one little-noted effect of trans activism is an end to big lesbian orgies in tents in rural Michigan.

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    • Replies: @grapesoda
    Ha ha, that's the best thing I've read all day, aside from HRC getting in deeper and deeper hot water
    , @Jim Don Bob
    The liberal poofters in Toronto found out this weekend that their black pets are not on their side. Now the liberal rug munchers are finding out that the Ts are not on their side either. Pretty soon it's gonna be every diversity for itself in what Derb calls the Coalition of the Fringes. Schadenfreude, indeed.
  48. Lurker says:
    @The most deplorable one
    OK, lots of people are in trouble now:

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/04/hello-racist-website-launched-expose-unknown-bigots/

    Oh, wait, that word has been overused.

    That Hello Racist site is excellent! Disqus comments enabled which means its already overrun by the shitlord community. Though I see one or two leftists have made a feeble attempt to defend their turf.

    The Disqus threads are here:

    https://disqus.com/home/forum/helloracist/

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  49. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The disparity is even bigger in ice hockey. Any decent boys high school team will demolish female world champions. But if you want to elicit maximum rage from feminists, ask why there is a need for women chess tournaments.

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  50. The world has responded by erecting at vast expense a separate playground for women to compete only against other women.

    Semenya…
    Semen-ya…
    Semen-you…

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  51. Danindc says:

    An all star team of 7th graders would beat any WNBA team you out on the floor with them.

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  52. Marty T says:
    @Ivy
    Women don't belong in the SEALS, Rangers, Delta Force or similar organizations. Would you trust your life to a colleague who got in due to lowered standards? That wouldn't do you any good if you needed to be carried out of combat to the LZ, and the other survivor couldn't manage that. Veterans I know do not support relaxing standards just to be PC. Title IX concepts don't translate to potential Title KIA situations.

    Women should not be in military combat at all. Even if they somehow physically qualify. It impacts cohesion of the unit.

    Im watching the olympic trials for the womens steeplechase. This is what women’s sports should be – cute girls in skimpy outfits running around and staying in shape. But when the mentally ill men start fighting for Title IX scholarships, women’s sports advocates will have to decide between women and trannies. I look forward to their decision.

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    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Women should not be in military combat. Even if they physically qualify. It impacts cohesion of the unit.
     
    Oh no! Common sense and good judgement! Your ticket to a reeducation camp will be presented by a jackbooted FBI imbecile just freed up by HRC's political pass for betrayal!
  53. @Steve Sailer
    But Americans take the NFL more seriously than they take fighting fires or fighting enemies, so sex preferences for women to play in the NFL is a long, long way off. We'll have to have women head coaches first and the like.

    I know, the progressive residents of New England can set another good example for the rest of us by demanding that the Patriots fire Bill Belichick and hire a woman head coach for the Patriots!

    That'll happen real soon.

    “But Americans take the NFL more seriously than they take fighting fires or fighting enemies, so sex preferences for women to play in the NFL is a long, long way off. “

    As the great Vince Lombardi said “Football is not a matter of life and death, it’s much more important than that”

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Vince Lombardi, my childhood hero, and the greatest malefactor to be feted by the football-worshiping masses. What a magnificent champion of diverting the attention of the average American from the important issues of public-and-private honesty, taxation, regulation, immigration, governance, and war.

    What a blight on Italians coming here and wanting to become genuine Americans. What an example of why immigrants today are unreliable, even the best of circumstances.

    To quote Bugs Bunny, "what a maroon."
  54. Danindc says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, maybe you missed it but Rex Ryan, the Bill's head coach, has hired the first women positional coach...special teams.

    I’m fairly certain she is an advisor not the coach. Too important s position to leave to PC handouts.

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    Dan, She was an administrative assistant to Rex, and is now listed as a coach. Buffalo News had photos of her on the field "coaching" players.
  55. grapesoda says:
    @Lot

    The world has responded by erecting at vast expense a separate playground for women to compete only against other women.
     
    The Michigan Womyn's music festival that was the biggest annual hippie lesbian event in the USA, thousands at once, ending up shutting down over a failure to deal with lesbian-identified biological males.

    The trans-exclusionary/woman-born-woman policy was in place for a couple decades, but every year attracted larger and larger protests outside the large rural Michigan campground. The policy was softened toward the end, to state male-born lesbians are not specifically excluded, but are asked not to come on the honor system. But that was not enough.

    The organizers just could not keep dealing with growing protests, and your Ani DiFrancos of America are not going to feel comfortable being attacked as transphobic.

    In summary, one little-noted effect of trans activism is an end to big lesbian orgies in tents in rural Michigan.

    Ha ha, that’s the best thing I’ve read all day, aside from HRC getting in deeper and deeper hot water

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    What, you mean like a hot tub? Maybe with a couple of beautiful young ladies?

    If HRC ever gets any jail time, I'll eat the Caitlyn Jenner issue of Vanity Fair.
  56. 5371 says:

    I suspect the tranny quoted in the Mail article may be just lying. I consulted the lists of last year and this year’s best women’s 800m performances and I can’t find any British athlete who could be described as having this year “come from nowhere with an awesome personal best”. Trannies, like homos, tend not to dwell in the palace of truth.

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  57. @grapesoda
    Ha ha, that's the best thing I've read all day, aside from HRC getting in deeper and deeper hot water

    What, you mean like a hot tub? Maybe with a couple of beautiful young ladies?

    If HRC ever gets any jail time, I’ll eat the Caitlyn Jenner issue of Vanity Fair.

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  58. Anglo says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    If Caitlyn Jenner goes missing, will we see her picture on a carton of half and half?

    Ba-dum. Try the veal. I'll be here all week.

    I don’t know which made me smile more – the corny joke or the sidebar “Try the veal…”

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  59. @vinny
    Deadspin, of all places, has a pretty well-considered article on the subject fairly recently.

    "Should There Be Testosterone Limits For Women In Athletics?"

    http://fittish.deadspin.com/should-there-be-testosterone-limits-for-women-in-athlet-1778330172

    It sounds like there are plenty of fans of women's sports out there who are worried about this very problem, but they're likely to get crushed. It's World War T, after all.

    I’m far more concerned about the failure to get a minimum cup size imposed in women’s beach volley ball.

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  60. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    Women already have the right to compete in the NFL etc.

    A woman pitched a few games in the lowest level of minor league baseball a couple of decades ago. She had played Div 3 baseball in college and had shut out Caltech.

    She was pretty bad in the minors but she was a lot better than I'd be. She could throw in the 70s when everything was working right. Her dad had been a minor leaguer.

    There was some chick in the 90s who played minor league hockey….as a goalie. She never made it.

    The old 90′s movie Necessary Roughness had a female place kicker for the team. Of course, it was played by a still-in-her-prime Kathy Ireland, so I didn’t mind.

    Like priming us for a black president, pop culture has tried to prime us for a female athlete among the elites. Reality just keeps catching up with them so.

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  61. Johnny789 says:

    The way they’ve been overtly pumping up the WNBA this year I got a feeling they will disband it at the end of this season being able to show everyone that they tried their hardest to keep it going.

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  62. 7-0 LOL. The Matildas probably wouldn’t even medal in the Paralympics!

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  63. Olorin says:
    @Johnny Smoggins
    In spite of this women will demand, and be granted the right to play in all men's leagues like the NFL, NHL, Premier League and so on. This will probably come to pass within five years and will spell the end of professional sports as we know them.

    Team and league owners must understand this but just like the men in the early twentieth century who didn't have the fortitude to tell women "NO!" when they demanded the right to vote (with the civilization wrecking consequences that terrible decision has brought), these men are also too weak to say No!

    This will probably come to pass within five years and will spell the end of professional sports as we know them.

    The horrah! The horrah! What a historioclysm that would be!!

    The Age of Roone Arledge–which is actually the Age of Edgar Scherick–would come to a close!

    http://www.lukeford.net/profiles/profiles/edgar_scherick.htm

    The sooner professional sports implode like the face of a Bill Plympton character, the better.

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  64. sabril says:
    @Hepp
    Let's hope that trans rights kills them all off. The whole concept of "women's sports" is political, about cultivating masculinity among girls from a young age. Take a physically inferior group of people and let them compete against one another. Why not sports from those with BMI over 30, or under 5 feet tall? The reason we don't do that is because no one has an ideology that says that such groups need to be masculinized.

    The whole concept of “women’s sports” is political

    Not entirely — part of the point is that people like to look at fit women in skimpy outfits.

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    Not entirely — part of the point is that people like to look at fit women in skimpy outfits.
     
    Actually, for those sports there's organic demand. Women's tennis is pretty popular, while there's organic demand for girls doing gymnastics and ballet.

    But how many women and girls would be playing basketball or hockey if it wasn't for federal government mandates and financial losers shoved down people's throats like the WNBA?
  65. Tennis and ultra long distance swimming and running may be the only sports where professional women would beat almost any amateur man, not including the best college athletes or pro track juniors.

    But tennis is also a case study in the down side of generic equality. Women’s tennis used to be a different kind of game relying on consistency, tactics and variety as compared to the men’s game. In the last 15 to 20 years that’s changed. It’s become, thanks to equipment changes, a mere shadow of the men’s game played at a much lower level, even as pay has been artificially equalised. The power baseline style simply doesn’t suit female anatomy or psychology leading to ugly error strewn matches. Difference can be a good thing!

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  66. @Jim Don Bob
    If Caitlyn Jenner goes missing, will we see her picture on a carton of half and half?

    Ba-dum. Try the veal. I'll be here all week.

    Don’t pretend like you’ve never guzzled homo milk.

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Yeah, I see that everywhere in Canadian grocery stores and no one cares. Maybe I should report Nielsen to that new racist website. I wonder if there is a reward?
  67. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Sympathy for the born women who have worked so hard to reach their goal of competing in the Olympics seems to have been waved aside by this group of admirers of sexual weirdness. What sort of feminist supports the shafting of all the real female athletes? Are they secretly jealous of the female competitors who are physically fit and often much more attractive than your average Dworkin-like feminist who thus wish them to lose out to the freaks?

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    • Replies: @biz

    Are they secretly jealous of the female competitors who are physically fit and often much more attractive than your average Dworkin-like feminist who thus wish them to lose out to the freaks?
     
    There is probably some of that.

    But mostly it is probably that most feminists are completely uninterested in following televised sports and think they are a completely boring waste of time other than those aspects that can be made temporarily political of course. So to the extent that any of them have considered the actual consequences of opening up women's sports to trans / intersex/ men in makeup, they don't really care about sports eventually dying.
    , @Jim Christian

    Sympathy for the born women who have worked so hard to reach their goal of competing in the Olympics seems to have been waved aside by this group of admirers of sexual weirdness. What sort of feminist supports the shafting of all the real female athletes?
     
    Hard to figure out competing liberal orthodoxies these days, no? What is the hierarchy? Islam blows up gays, Islam wins in the public arena, Islam defended. Pervert Tranny castrati get to compete against ovary-equipped, honest-to-biology (they hate God) women and beat the real women, yet the Pervy-Trannys win the public Liberal narrative on THAT. Black movies one after the other come out showing Black men out-and-out abusing their women yet the Black men win the narrative by default because feminists keep quiet in ways they never would if White men were the stars. Hollywood is owned by Jews, yet they get a pass for their racism against Blacks because the Liberal press, Blacks and women say the Jewish of Hollywood are White. I could go on and on, but point made, no?

    Man, it is GOOD to be Liberal...

  68. dr kill says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    If Caitlyn Jenner goes missing, will we see her picture on a carton of half and half?

    Ba-dum. Try the veal. I'll be here all week.

    That reminds me of a good joke from the 80′s. So what is the perfect way for a father to begin his morning ? Your son’s picture on the Wheaties box, your girlfriend’s picture in Penthouse, and your ex-wife’s picture on the milk carton.

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    Reminds of this obituary:

    "Charles Seaver, 93, the father of Hall of Fame pitcher Tom Seaver and a top amateur golfer in the 1930s, has died. Seaver died Monday in Pebble Beach, Calif., after a short illness, the New York Mets said."

  69. @dr kill
    That reminds me of a good joke from the 80's. So what is the perfect way for a father to begin his morning ? Your son's picture on the Wheaties box, your girlfriend's picture in Penthouse, and your ex-wife's picture on the milk carton.

    Reminds of this obituary:

    “Charles Seaver, 93, the father of Hall of Fame pitcher Tom Seaver and a top amateur golfer in the 1930s, has died. Seaver died Monday in Pebble Beach, Calif., after a short illness, the New York Mets said.”

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  70. neutral says:

    All those East German “women” that won all those Olympic medals were clearly ahead of their time. Also, some of those world records they set that have stood for decades, something tells me they are all about to fall as well.

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  71. tbraton says:

    I want to add to the pile of “separate but equal” nonsense the contention I heard last night that WNBA women players should be paid the same as NBA male players. Bill O’Reilly devoted his full hour to showing hilarious interviews conducted by Jesse Watters of young people (men and women) on various beaches around the country. Apart from the standard questions of who the U.S. fought in various wars (France, for some reason, was a favorite response), one young woman contended that she thought WNBA players should be paid the same as NBA players. Leaving aside the fact that WNBA games do not draw anywhere near the crowds or TV viewing audience as NBA games, there is the issue of whether it would be equal pay for equal work. We have the great example of professional tennis where women were able to extract the guarantee of same prize money as the men despite the fact that women only play best 2 out of 3 matches while men are forced to play best 3 out of 5 matches. That leaves aside the fact that Serena and Venus Williams were not able to come close to beating the 203rd ranked men’s player in 1998, as another poster noted the other day. Time to abolish women’s sports as a separate category altogether now that sexual identity has entered the picture.

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  72. TheJester says:

    “Real” women have suffering systematic exclusion in athletics from the deviant crowd for decades. The MTF trannies are just following in the footsteps of the masculinized, dyke lesbians who preceded them.

    An experience: Years ago we camped close to a college-level female basketball team in Louisiana. They were about 50 feet from our tent. The women spent the night drinking and fondling each other. The front door of the tent and the side windows were open. It was an education for me … a lesbian “love-in” in the deep South in the 1990s!

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    An experience: Years ago we camped close to a college-level female basketball team in Louisiana. They were about 50 feet from our tent. The women spent the night drinking and fondling each other. The front door of the tent and the side windows were open. It was an education for me … a lesbian “love-in” in the deep South in the 1990s!
     
    Coincidentally, the one girl I ever went out with who claimed to be bisexual was a college basketball team manager from the southern part of the state who attended a school in the northern part of the state. No, not Tech. She was employed by a big Baptist church in the Dallas area to work with church youth!
  73. biz says:
    @anonymous
    Sympathy for the born women who have worked so hard to reach their goal of competing in the Olympics seems to have been waved aside by this group of admirers of sexual weirdness. What sort of feminist supports the shafting of all the real female athletes? Are they secretly jealous of the female competitors who are physically fit and often much more attractive than your average Dworkin-like feminist who thus wish them to lose out to the freaks?

    Are they secretly jealous of the female competitors who are physically fit and often much more attractive than your average Dworkin-like feminist who thus wish them to lose out to the freaks?

    There is probably some of that.

    But mostly it is probably that most feminists are completely uninterested in following televised sports and think they are a completely boring waste of time other than those aspects that can be made temporarily political of course. So to the extent that any of them have considered the actual consequences of opening up women’s sports to trans / intersex/ men in makeup, they don’t really care about sports eventually dying.

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  74. ATate says:

    As I always state when this conversation comes up, when I was a junior at the local directional university me and two friends (middling high school basketball players at best) played 3-on-3 with starters from the (Division I) women’s basketball team.

    It wasn’t even close. And we played 3 or so games and smoked them every time. The disparity in leaping ability is what caught me most off guard, the quickness was pretty close, and then don’t get me started on using your body to get into position for rebounding.

    Like said, not even close.

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    • Replies: @Formerly CARealist
    Years ago I was playing women's basketball at a local gym and we were short a player. So we asked a random, regular-sized guy to play with us. Guess what? We women use a smaller ball because we have smaller hands. He didn't dominate us, but played as a team player. Anyway he said using the smaller ball made him feel like Michael Jordan with his ball handling skills.

    FWIW when I practiced my shooting skills for hours every day in my teens I could beat the guys in HORSE. My sister regularly beats guys in shooting contests (guns, I mean). But then our Dad's nickname was Ole DeadEye.
  75. @TheJester
    "Real" women have suffering systematic exclusion in athletics from the deviant crowd for decades. The MTF trannies are just following in the footsteps of the masculinized, dyke lesbians who preceded them.

    An experience: Years ago we camped close to a college-level female basketball team in Louisiana. They were about 50 feet from our tent. The women spent the night drinking and fondling each other. The front door of the tent and the side windows were open. It was an education for me ... a lesbian "love-in" in the deep South in the 1990s!

    An experience: Years ago we camped close to a college-level female basketball team in Louisiana. They were about 50 feet from our tent. The women spent the night drinking and fondling each other. The front door of the tent and the side windows were open. It was an education for me … a lesbian “love-in” in the deep South in the 1990s!

    Coincidentally, the one girl I ever went out with who claimed to be bisexual was a college basketball team manager from the southern part of the state who attended a school in the northern part of the state. No, not Tech. She was employed by a big Baptist church in the Dallas area to work with church youth!

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    • Replies: @Anon7
    They were trying to drum up support for women's college basketball about twenty years ago when I was raising my kids. They had a "1 ticket, 1 hot dog, 1 drink - $1" deal, and I couldn't pass it up (four bucks for a night out with the family - no brainer).

    I was struck by how much it looked like a well-coached middle school boys game.

    However, while walking around at half-time, I ran into several women I knew who were lesbians, and (not to jump to conclusions or anything) but I saw an awful lot of pairs of women sitting in the stands at that game. (Well, a lot anyway. Only about 200 fans total in an arena that held 15,000.)
  76. Hepp says:
    @sabril

    The whole concept of “women’s sports” is political
     
    Not entirely -- part of the point is that people like to look at fit women in skimpy outfits.

    Not entirely — part of the point is that people like to look at fit women in skimpy outfits.

    Actually, for those sports there’s organic demand. Women’s tennis is pretty popular, while there’s organic demand for girls doing gymnastics and ballet.

    But how many women and girls would be playing basketball or hockey if it wasn’t for federal government mandates and financial losers shoved down people’s throats like the WNBA?

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  77. tbraton says:
    @SteveRogers42
    I believe that Bruce Jenner's winning time in the 400-meter portion of the Olympic decathlon in 1976 is still faster than the stand-alone women's world record in the 400.

    Shouldn't the official keepers of the records recognize that and anoint Bruce/Cait as the women's world record holder?

    Why not go all the way and declare that the winner of the men’s gold medal at the 1976 Olympic decathlon was actually a woman? That alone would show that women can compete with men in track and field.

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  78. @anonymous
    Sympathy for the born women who have worked so hard to reach their goal of competing in the Olympics seems to have been waved aside by this group of admirers of sexual weirdness. What sort of feminist supports the shafting of all the real female athletes? Are they secretly jealous of the female competitors who are physically fit and often much more attractive than your average Dworkin-like feminist who thus wish them to lose out to the freaks?

    Sympathy for the born women who have worked so hard to reach their goal of competing in the Olympics seems to have been waved aside by this group of admirers of sexual weirdness. What sort of feminist supports the shafting of all the real female athletes?

    Hard to figure out competing liberal orthodoxies these days, no? What is the hierarchy? Islam blows up gays, Islam wins in the public arena, Islam defended. Pervert Tranny castrati get to compete against ovary-equipped, honest-to-biology (they hate God) women and beat the real women, yet the Pervy-Trannys win the public Liberal narrative on THAT. Black movies one after the other come out showing Black men out-and-out abusing their women yet the Black men win the narrative by default because feminists keep quiet in ways they never would if White men were the stars. Hollywood is owned by Jews, yet they get a pass for their racism against Blacks because the Liberal press, Blacks and women say the Jewish of Hollywood are White. I could go on and on, but point made, no?

    Man, it is GOOD to be Liberal…

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  79. @Jim Christian

    Sympathy for the born women who have worked so hard to reach their goal of competing in the Olympics seems to have been waved aside by this group of admirers of sexual weirdness. What sort of feminist supports the shafting of all the real female athletes?
     
    Hard to figure out competing liberal orthodoxies these days, no? What is the hierarchy? Islam blows up gays, Islam wins in the public arena, Islam defended. Pervert Tranny castrati get to compete against ovary-equipped, honest-to-biology (they hate God) women and beat the real women, yet the Pervy-Trannys win the public Liberal narrative on THAT. Black movies one after the other come out showing Black men out-and-out abusing their women yet the Black men win the narrative by default because feminists keep quiet in ways they never would if White men were the stars. Hollywood is owned by Jews, yet they get a pass for their racism against Blacks because the Liberal press, Blacks and women say the Jewish of Hollywood are White. I could go on and on, but point made, no?

    Man, it is GOOD to be Liberal...

    Heads I win, tails you lose.

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  80. @Lot

    The world has responded by erecting at vast expense a separate playground for women to compete only against other women.
     
    The Michigan Womyn's music festival that was the biggest annual hippie lesbian event in the USA, thousands at once, ending up shutting down over a failure to deal with lesbian-identified biological males.

    The trans-exclusionary/woman-born-woman policy was in place for a couple decades, but every year attracted larger and larger protests outside the large rural Michigan campground. The policy was softened toward the end, to state male-born lesbians are not specifically excluded, but are asked not to come on the honor system. But that was not enough.

    The organizers just could not keep dealing with growing protests, and your Ani DiFrancos of America are not going to feel comfortable being attacked as transphobic.

    In summary, one little-noted effect of trans activism is an end to big lesbian orgies in tents in rural Michigan.

    The liberal poofters in Toronto found out this weekend that their black pets are not on their side. Now the liberal rug munchers are finding out that the Ts are not on their side either. Pretty soon it’s gonna be every diversity for itself in what Derb calls the Coalition of the Fringes. Schadenfreude, indeed.

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  81. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Don’t pretend like you’ve never guzzled homo milk.

    Yeah, I see that everywhere in Canadian grocery stores and no one cares. Maybe I should report Nielsen to that new racist website. I wonder if there is a reward?

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  82. IBC says:

    Where does softball fit into this?

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    • Replies: @Triumph104
    Softball and baseball were taken out of the Olympics after 2008 because the same countries kept on medaling.

    Crystl Bustos played on three Olympic softball teams. Her nickname was The Big Bruiser.

    https://youtu.be/VnVkejr2pk0?t=48
  83. @Jim Don Bob
    I have often wondered about the marketing research that says female sideline reporters at NFL games are a good idea. Michelle Tafoya could eat crackers in my bed but we wouldn't be talking about football because she knows less than I do which is not much.

    I could be all wrong here, but I’ve always just assumed that the networks hired hot babes to work the sidelines at NFL games to encourage the players and coaches to come over to the reporter for live interviews.

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    • Replies: @Fredrik
    Of course.

    It works on several levels. It is supposed to encourage players and coaches to actually do the interview. Professional sports usually have some type of clause that they must talk to the media in certain circumstances but a reasonably hot female would probably avoid the death stare and/or avoid being treated like dirt by the athlete. The female reporter is also eye candy to the viewer. A lot of the time the reporter is fed the questions by a male in the control room.

    We're of course not supposed to notice this.
  84. @ATate
    As I always state when this conversation comes up, when I was a junior at the local directional university me and two friends (middling high school basketball players at best) played 3-on-3 with starters from the (Division I) women's basketball team.

    It wasn't even close. And we played 3 or so games and smoked them every time. The disparity in leaping ability is what caught me most off guard, the quickness was pretty close, and then don't get me started on using your body to get into position for rebounding.

    Like said, not even close.

    Years ago I was playing women’s basketball at a local gym and we were short a player. So we asked a random, regular-sized guy to play with us. Guess what? We women use a smaller ball because we have smaller hands. He didn’t dominate us, but played as a team player. Anyway he said using the smaller ball made him feel like Michael Jordan with his ball handling skills.

    FWIW when I practiced my shooting skills for hours every day in my teens I could beat the guys in HORSE. My sister regularly beats guys in shooting contests (guns, I mean). But then our Dad’s nickname was Ole DeadEye.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I'd like to see women play with an even smaller basketball, closer to the size of a volleyball.
  85. @CAL
    You're using the term coach there a bit loosely calling Rex a coach. The NFL is so busy trying to fend off the SJW's at ESPN, etc. that they are committing suicide. Most women who watch football really don't want to see other women involved.

    About the only woman I can tolerate involved with football is Suzy Kolber. She earned my respect for how she handled a drunk Joe Namath during a live interview.

    CAL, Nice hit on Rex, and his now Siamese twin brother, who is also on the Bills’ staff. My wife mutes all the sideline commentators when they are women….” I don’t want to hear a woman talk about a game they never played, like a guy talking about childbirth.” She’s feisty, but knows shit about football, but she will get be a sandwich and beer during a commercial.

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Rex is a showman because he knows that's what sells to fans. He is not a bad defensive guy but doesn't seem to care about offense that much. Mark Sanchez had some talent and Rex completely wasted it. His brother Rob's only talent, otoh, seems to be a nice head of hair. Wade Phillips he ain't.
  86. Brutusale says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, a few years ago, two boys in our school district went out for the Field Hockey team, which is a girls' sport. Opposing coaches threatened to boycott scheduled games and in essence forfeit a game. One opposing coach claimed that one boy was too tall and his swing would bring his stick up to a dangerous level, even though she had a girl who was 6'-2". Eventually the boys withdrew their request to play. I still believe they were just stirring some shit ,but good for them. ESPN is a strong proponent of this gender sports equality. Remember just a year ago they were hyping Rhonda Rousey as a capable opponent to Floyd Mayweather, yeah, right. Rousey, ESPN's best female athlete ever, had her ass handed to her by Holly Hahn. Recent commercials for the WNBA have NBA stars claiming that they love the women's game. I watched a bit of one game, the McDonald's HS Prep team would trounce the WNBA's best team by at least 20 points.

    One thing I can say about the People’s Commonwealth of Massachusetts is, in some cases, they walk the walk as well as talking the talk.

    http://espn.go.com/high-school/girl/story/_/id/8055704/massachusetts-era-allows-boys-compete-girls-sports-such-field-hockey-swimming-volleyball-gymnastics

    I know that they make the guys who want to play field hockey wear the skirt.

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    Brutus, Ah, the Field Hockey skirt which is not a skort....maybe no underpants then.
  87. @Buffalo Joe
    CAL, Nice hit on Rex, and his now Siamese twin brother, who is also on the Bills' staff. My wife mutes all the sideline commentators when they are women...." I don't want to hear a woman talk about a game they never played, like a guy talking about childbirth." She's feisty, but knows shit about football, but she will get be a sandwich and beer during a commercial.

    Rex is a showman because he knows that’s what sells to fans. He is not a bad defensive guy but doesn’t seem to care about offense that much. Mark Sanchez had some talent and Rex completely wasted it. His brother Rob’s only talent, otoh, seems to be a nice head of hair. Wade Phillips he ain’t.

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    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Rob Ryan is one of many whose main claim to competence is having worked for Bill Belichick.
  88. @Danindc
    I'm fairly certain she is an advisor not the coach. Too important s position to leave to PC handouts.

    Dan, She was an administrative assistant to Rex, and is now listed as a coach. Buffalo News had photos of her on the field “coaching” players.

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  89. @Brutusale
    One thing I can say about the People's Commonwealth of Massachusetts is, in some cases, they walk the walk as well as talking the talk.

    http://espn.go.com/high-school/girl/story/_/id/8055704/massachusetts-era-allows-boys-compete-girls-sports-such-field-hockey-swimming-volleyball-gymnastics

    I know that they make the guys who want to play field hockey wear the skirt.

    Brutus, Ah, the Field Hockey skirt which is not a skort….maybe no underpants then.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    Go full, true Scotsman by wearing just a kilt.
  90. Anon7 says:

    In case you hadn’t heard this story about the day Venus and Serena Williams decided to strike a blow for female equality, as told by the bloke who played them:

    How to beat both Williams sisters in one afternoon

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  91. Anon7 says:
    @ben tillman

    An experience: Years ago we camped close to a college-level female basketball team in Louisiana. They were about 50 feet from our tent. The women spent the night drinking and fondling each other. The front door of the tent and the side windows were open. It was an education for me … a lesbian “love-in” in the deep South in the 1990s!
     
    Coincidentally, the one girl I ever went out with who claimed to be bisexual was a college basketball team manager from the southern part of the state who attended a school in the northern part of the state. No, not Tech. She was employed by a big Baptist church in the Dallas area to work with church youth!

    They were trying to drum up support for women’s college basketball about twenty years ago when I was raising my kids. They had a “1 ticket, 1 hot dog, 1 drink – $1″ deal, and I couldn’t pass it up (four bucks for a night out with the family – no brainer).

    I was struck by how much it looked like a well-coached middle school boys game.

    However, while walking around at half-time, I ran into several women I knew who were lesbians, and (not to jump to conclusions or anything) but I saw an awful lot of pairs of women sitting in the stands at that game. (Well, a lot anyway. Only about 200 fans total in an arena that held 15,000.)

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  92. @Formerly CARealist
    Years ago I was playing women's basketball at a local gym and we were short a player. So we asked a random, regular-sized guy to play with us. Guess what? We women use a smaller ball because we have smaller hands. He didn't dominate us, but played as a team player. Anyway he said using the smaller ball made him feel like Michael Jordan with his ball handling skills.

    FWIW when I practiced my shooting skills for hours every day in my teens I could beat the guys in HORSE. My sister regularly beats guys in shooting contests (guns, I mean). But then our Dad's nickname was Ole DeadEye.

    I’d like to see women play with an even smaller basketball, closer to the size of a volleyball.

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  93. @IBC
    Where does softball fit into this?

    Softball and baseball were taken out of the Olympics after 2008 because the same countries kept on medaling.

    Crystl Bustos played on three Olympic softball teams. Her nickname was The Big Bruiser.

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    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    Countries medaling in baseball from 1992 (when it became a medal rather than demonstration sport) to 2008 (when it was dropped): Cuba, Taiwan, Japan, United States, South Korea, and Australia.

    The list of countries medaling in ping-pong, err, "table tennis" over the same years is as short. It is dominated by China. Having ping-pong in the Olympics but not baseball is silly.

    My explanation is that (China), a country with over 1B people needs a sport it can dominate.

    Next the IOC needs to come up with something in which India can compete. Indians have to be the world's worst athletes, by far. Over 1B people and they've won ONE gold medal (and that in bb-gun shooting) since 1980.
  94. @SteveRogers42
    The top Premier soccer club in my state fields boys' and girls' teams at a variety of age levels. A few years ago, the boys' U-15 team and girls' U-18 team both won state championships. Someone in the organization thought it would be a good idea for the two teams to play a "friendly". Much to the shock of the SWPL parents in the stands, the boys won by the selfsame 7-0 score, with the boys' coach forbidding them from shooting during the final 20 minutes, and directing them to simply play "keep-away" with the ball.

    Plot twist: Every one of the girls' starters went on to play college soccer on a full scholarship the next fall. The boys all went on to their freshman year of high school.

    Reality is a harsh mistress.

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  95. @PiltdownMan
    The pivot to opening up men's events to women will not take long.

    The end will not come when sports becomes gender integrated. The end will come when the law requires penalties and remedial affirmative action for women in sports teams obviously dominated by the patriarchy.

    What are men's sports records, after all, but a cultural artifact of that discredited way of thinking?

    Handicaps for all, and then we'll see about those so-called world records.

    NFL teams should be required, by law, to have 50% women, not only as team members, but on the field for every play, and on the coaching staff, and, and, as fans in the stadium, and as people watching the games in sports bars, and watching the game at home.

    Equality!

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  96. @Marty T
    Women should not be in military combat at all. Even if they somehow physically qualify. It impacts cohesion of the unit.

    Im watching the olympic trials for the womens steeplechase. This is what women's sports should be - cute girls in skimpy outfits running around and staying in shape. But when the mentally ill men start fighting for Title IX scholarships, women's sports advocates will have to decide between women and trannies. I look forward to their decision.

    Women should not be in military combat. Even if they physically qualify. It impacts cohesion of the unit.

    Oh no! Common sense and good judgement! Your ticket to a reeducation camp will be presented by a jackbooted FBI imbecile just freed up by HRC’s political pass for betrayal!

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  97. @kaganovitch
    "But Americans take the NFL more seriously than they take fighting fires or fighting enemies, so sex preferences for women to play in the NFL is a long, long way off. "


    As the great Vince Lombardi said "Football is not a matter of life and death, it's much more important than that"

    Vince Lombardi, my childhood hero, and the greatest malefactor to be feted by the football-worshiping masses. What a magnificent champion of diverting the attention of the average American from the important issues of public-and-private honesty, taxation, regulation, immigration, governance, and war.

    What a blight on Italians coming here and wanting to become genuine Americans. What an example of why immigrants today are unreliable, even the best of circumstances.

    To quote Bugs Bunny, “what a maroon.”

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  98. Ivy says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Brutus, Ah, the Field Hockey skirt which is not a skort....maybe no underpants then.

    Go full, true Scotsman by wearing just a kilt.

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  99. The way to get this to work would be to handicap male athletes in some way. Maybe make them (like racehorses) carry additional weight to slow them down.

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  100. meh says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, a few years ago, two boys in our school district went out for the Field Hockey team, which is a girls' sport. Opposing coaches threatened to boycott scheduled games and in essence forfeit a game. One opposing coach claimed that one boy was too tall and his swing would bring his stick up to a dangerous level, even though she had a girl who was 6'-2". Eventually the boys withdrew their request to play. I still believe they were just stirring some shit ,but good for them. ESPN is a strong proponent of this gender sports equality. Remember just a year ago they were hyping Rhonda Rousey as a capable opponent to Floyd Mayweather, yeah, right. Rousey, ESPN's best female athlete ever, had her ass handed to her by Holly Hahn. Recent commercials for the WNBA have NBA stars claiming that they love the women's game. I watched a bit of one game, the McDonald's HS Prep team would trounce the WNBA's best team by at least 20 points.

    “Steve, a few years ago, two boys in our school district went out for the Field Hockey team, which is a girls’ sport. “

    A girls’ sport at your school perhaps; but there is also a common American misconception that field hockey is a “female only” sport. Field hockey (just plain “hockey” to most people outside USA/Canada) is a male sport in most of the world (it originated as a male sport and was taken up by women later); due to a weird happenstance of history it was introduced into the USA via women’s colleges so we have this idea that it is a “female only” sport. It is not.

    Watch Olympic field hockey, men’s and women’s. The rules are exactly the same. The men are bigger, faster, stronger, hit the ball a lot harder and further. Yes a boys underaged team could easily beat a top women’s team.

    It is the same in all of the ball sports where the rules are the same for men and women: soccer, basketball, field hockey, etc. Top women’s teams struggle against average underage boys teams.

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  101. Brutusale says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    Rex is a showman because he knows that's what sells to fans. He is not a bad defensive guy but doesn't seem to care about offense that much. Mark Sanchez had some talent and Rex completely wasted it. His brother Rob's only talent, otoh, seems to be a nice head of hair. Wade Phillips he ain't.

    Rob Ryan is one of many whose main claim to competence is having worked for Bill Belichick.

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    So are Romeo Crennel, Scott Spagnoli, etc. How'd that work out?
  102. Interesting that it appears to be impossible to find any photos anywhere on the internet of any part of the game between Newcastle U-15 and the women’s team.

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  103. @Brutusale
    Rob Ryan is one of many whose main claim to competence is having worked for Bill Belichick.

    So are Romeo Crennel, Scott Spagnoli, etc. How’d that work out?

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    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Pretty much the same as Rob Ryan. At least Josh McDaniels was smart enough to admit his limitations and go back to work for Yoda.
  104. @anon
    Will the MSM play along if there is an all-trans victory podium at the Olympics? The announcers? NBC's commentators like Bob Costas? Print journalists? ESPN? Sports talk radio? Late night TV comedians?

    This should be interesting to see.

    “Will the MSM play along if there is an all-trans victory podium at the Olympics? The announcers? ”

    Judging by the speed with which they all pretended that Bruce Jenner is a woman, I think it is safe to say that yes, they would play along.

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  105. @Triumph104
    Softball and baseball were taken out of the Olympics after 2008 because the same countries kept on medaling.

    Crystl Bustos played on three Olympic softball teams. Her nickname was The Big Bruiser.

    https://youtu.be/VnVkejr2pk0?t=48

    Countries medaling in baseball from 1992 (when it became a medal rather than demonstration sport) to 2008 (when it was dropped): Cuba, Taiwan, Japan, United States, South Korea, and Australia.

    The list of countries medaling in ping-pong, err, “table tennis” over the same years is as short. It is dominated by China. Having ping-pong in the Olympics but not baseball is silly.

    My explanation is that (China), a country with over 1B people needs a sport it can dominate.

    Next the IOC needs to come up with something in which India can compete. Indians have to be the world’s worst athletes, by far. Over 1B people and they’ve won ONE gold medal (and that in bb-gun shooting) since 1980.

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    • Replies: @Fredrik
    They're good at cricket but I can't see that sport in the Olympics anytime soon.
  106. I think we need to be more imaginative here. If women are encouraged to join the military and subject to exactly the same rules as men, we could send off a brigade of homely SJW-type females to fight ISIS. Let the Arabs deal with these hideous harpies. I can’t see a downside.

    In fact, I find all the SJW nonsense surrounding M/T/F “equality” in sport and soldiering comical. Let’s just give them what they ask for and enjoy the spectacle. Seeing the “women’s Olympic” podiums filled with men who have silicone breasts is better comedy than anything currently on TV.

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  107. Chuck says:

    Ya, I just came across this book…

    Milner, A. N., & Braddock II, J. H. (2016). Sex Segregation in Sports: Why Separate Is Not Equal. ABC-CLIO.

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    Ya, I just came across this book…

    Milner, A. N., & Braddock II, J. H. (2016). Sex Segregation in Sports: Why Separate Is Not Equal. ABC-CLIO.
     
    I had a professor in law school who thought it important that omen be able to play college football. In a hilariously "sexist" twist, he thought the rules should be changed so they could find a niche. Coincidentally, his name was also Milner.
  108. Brutusale says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    So are Romeo Crennel, Scott Spagnoli, etc. How'd that work out?

    Pretty much the same as Rob Ryan. At least Josh McDaniels was smart enough to admit his limitations and go back to work for Yoda.

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  109. Yeah, there are a lot of guys who are great at being an assistant coach, but stink at being a head coach. You are right about McDaniels recognizing his limitations; he is a hell of an offensive coach. I am sure most owners would love to figure out how Bellichek has been doing it so well for so many years. Of course, having Tom Brady helps, but there are many instances of coaches wasting the talents of a QB. See Mark Sanchez, RG3, etc.

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  110. Fredrik says:
    @I, Libertine
    I could be all wrong here, but I've always just assumed that the networks hired hot babes to work the sidelines at NFL games to encourage the players and coaches to come over to the reporter for live interviews.

    Of course.

    It works on several levels. It is supposed to encourage players and coaches to actually do the interview. Professional sports usually have some type of clause that they must talk to the media in certain circumstances but a reasonably hot female would probably avoid the death stare and/or avoid being treated like dirt by the athlete. The female reporter is also eye candy to the viewer. A lot of the time the reporter is fed the questions by a male in the control room.

    We’re of course not supposed to notice this.

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    It works on several levels. It is supposed to encourage players and coaches to actually do the interview. Professional sports usually have some type of clause that they must talk to the media in certain circumstances but a reasonably hot female would probably avoid the death stare and/or avoid being treated like dirt by the athlete.
     
    But what about coaches? Pop certainly doesn't cut the hotties any slack.

    But he did join in the lovefest for Craig Sager, which is fine with me:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/03/24/gregg-popovich-opens-up-about-craig-sager-in-touching-interview/
  111. Fredrik says:
    @William Badwhite
    Countries medaling in baseball from 1992 (when it became a medal rather than demonstration sport) to 2008 (when it was dropped): Cuba, Taiwan, Japan, United States, South Korea, and Australia.

    The list of countries medaling in ping-pong, err, "table tennis" over the same years is as short. It is dominated by China. Having ping-pong in the Olympics but not baseball is silly.

    My explanation is that (China), a country with over 1B people needs a sport it can dominate.

    Next the IOC needs to come up with something in which India can compete. Indians have to be the world's worst athletes, by far. Over 1B people and they've won ONE gold medal (and that in bb-gun shooting) since 1980.

    They’re good at cricket but I can’t see that sport in the Olympics anytime soon.

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  112. @Chuck
    Ya, I just came across this book...

    Milner, A. N., & Braddock II, J. H. (2016). Sex Segregation in Sports: Why Separate Is Not Equal. ABC-CLIO.

    Ya, I just came across this book…

    Milner, A. N., & Braddock II, J. H. (2016). Sex Segregation in Sports: Why Separate Is Not Equal. ABC-CLIO.

    I had a professor in law school who thought it important that omen be able to play college football. In a hilariously “sexist” twist, he thought the rules should be changed so they could find a niche. Coincidentally, his name was also Milner.

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  113. @Fredrik
    Of course.

    It works on several levels. It is supposed to encourage players and coaches to actually do the interview. Professional sports usually have some type of clause that they must talk to the media in certain circumstances but a reasonably hot female would probably avoid the death stare and/or avoid being treated like dirt by the athlete. The female reporter is also eye candy to the viewer. A lot of the time the reporter is fed the questions by a male in the control room.

    We're of course not supposed to notice this.

    It works on several levels. It is supposed to encourage players and coaches to actually do the interview. Professional sports usually have some type of clause that they must talk to the media in certain circumstances but a reasonably hot female would probably avoid the death stare and/or avoid being treated like dirt by the athlete.

    But what about coaches? Pop certainly doesn’t cut the hotties any slack.

    But he did join in the lovefest for Craig Sager, which is fine with me:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/03/24/gregg-popovich-opens-up-about-craig-sager-in-touching-interview/

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