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A commenter writes that when he was in a fraternity:

“… we had the “rapey” reputation on campus. But that rumor was entirely manufactured and perpetuated by other fraternities to poach rushes from us; sororities didn’t care about it one bit. And that’s pretty much what happened to the country. People heard a bunch of rumors and called it an epidemic, even though the average co-ed does not act like that is remotely true.”

I’ve heard the same thing from the other direction: “Oh, sure, my fraternity made sure to spread every terrible rumor out there about other fraternities we were competing with.”

 
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  1. unit472 says:

    Let’s be real here. There are no rapist fraternities and damn few rapists enrolled in a real college. The real issue in these so called campus rapes is alcohol abuse. Women who get stupid drunk or who pass out at an alcohol fueled party are likely to have bad things happen to them. Men too. I recall a bachelor party from many years ago where one of the guys attending passed out. When he awoke I asked him if he enjoyed giving “Phil” a BJ. I continued,” oh yeah while you were passed out on the sofa Phil put his Johnson in your mouth and we videotaped it”. Months later the ‘victim’ was at my house and I caught him going through my video cassettes looking for the bachelor party tape. I told him ‘relax it never happened’ and handed him the video tape of the ‘party’ which only featured the stripper putting her panties on the head of the soon to be married man.

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    "The real issue in these so called campus rapes is alcohol abuse. Women who get stupid drunk or who pass out at an alcohol fueled party are likely to have bad things happen to them."

    Likely, as in more than 50%? Nah. More likely, yes, but the fact is that in more than 99.9% of these cases the response by her fellow college students, even if they are all men, will be a credit to their humanity, or at least their fear of legal repercussions. They will watch after her, and maybe cover her with a blanket or escort her back to her dorm room. The fact that there is actually so little in the way of sexual assault on campuses flooded with booze, hormones, and young men and women living in packed quarters just feet away from each other is a credit to the American middle class, whatever its other failings.
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  2. Kitty says:

    And you believe this?

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    And you believe this?
     
    Uh oh, looks like you forgot the Trigger Warning, Steve.
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  3. Handle says:

    Have you seen the latest from Dartmouth?

    We will create an online “Consent Manual,” including realistic scenarios and potential sanctions, to reduce ambiguity about what is acceptable and what is not. This Consent Manual will be in place by the end of summer 2015.

    …To truly create a safe environment—and one that is advantageous to learning—we will also have to tackle the challenge of excessive drinking. Dartmouth will take the lead among colleges and universities in eliminating hard alcohol on campus. Dartmouth’s new alcohol policy for students will prohibit the possession or consumption of “hard alcohol” (i.e., alcohol that is 30 proof or higher) on campus by individuals, including those over the legal drinking age, and by Dartmouth College-recognized organizations

    As for fraternities:

    We will require all student organizations to eliminate the pledge or probationary periods during which members have a lesser status.
    We will require all Greek houses to have active faculty or staff sponsors (one male and one female) as well as active alumni boards.
    We will require all residential student organizations to undergo an annual review process to demonstrate that their structures (advisers, meetings, oversight, accountability, etc.) and programming enhance students’ academic and personal development and contribute to the health and well-being of the members of the organization and the community as a whole and promote inclusivity. …

    If, in the next three to five years, the Greek system does not engage in meaningful and lasting reform, and we are unsuccessful in sharply curbing harmful behaviors, we will need to revisit the system’s continuation on our campus.

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    If, in the next three to five years, the Greek system does not engage in meaningful and lasting reform, and we are unsuccessful in sharply curbing harmful behaviors, we will need to revisit the system’s continuation on our campus.

    Unlikely to happen: if the Greeks were kicked out, the school would see enrollment decline by the hundreds or even thousands every year. And the thousands of alumni who'd been Greeks at school would spend elsewhere the money they intended to donate to the school.
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  4. SFG says:

    They used to say lack of female solidarity prevented feminism. Wonder what happened.

    I see this MRA thing online, but it never seems to gain any traction. Is there an organization I can donate money to?

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    They used to say lack of female solidarity prevented feminism. Wonder what happened.

    I see this MRA thing online, but it never seems to gain any traction. Is there an organization I can donate money to?
     
    The problem with MRA is that it's the other side of the feminist coin. Guys like Warren Farrell and Paul Elam believe fervently in gender equality, even though it never has and never will exist, but they differ from feminists in the details.

    I compare it to Trotskyites vs. Stalinists.

    The solution isn't to double down on gender equality, but to reject the concept altogether. I advocate replacing the word "equality" with "balance." A society in which there is a balance between the masculine and feminine elements is a happy, healthy society. Same goes for a family.

    Obviously, one won't find balance in the individual, but that's why nature created us man and woman in the first place -- so we wouldn't be merely a mass of individuals but complementary parts of the species.

    This gender equality nonsense is the natural consequence of centuries of progressive individualism, which results in a bland, atomized society in which there are no natural divisions or communities. It turns out that Enlightenment thinking logically progresses to this kind of dystopia, so MRAs who refuse to abandon it will lead us to exactly the same place the feminists would.
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  5. I am under the impression that the real problem is that many men actually take feminism and its mumbo-jumbo seriously. To some extent the case is that the feminist propaganda is so pervasive that these men have never heard an anti-feminist opinion. Many guys take this the feminist baloney seriously and have all sorts of guilt and feel anxiety and anger toward the imaginary rapists.

    The reality is, of course, that the feminist have defined rape as sex a chick ever regrets. This is an absurd definition, because by this definition, all the silly girls who get hammered at college and drop their panties to have some good dirty fun have suddenly become “rape victims.” What a joke.

    No one – neither men, nor women – should take feminism seriously. It’s a massive fraud. 1950′s middle-class women in America were by far the most privileged large social group in the history of humanity. By far. They didn’t have to work, their men had just won the greatest war in history, their nation dominated the world economy in a manner never seen before, the bulk of the advertisement industry pandered after their every whim, they had the ironclad protection of the Christian religion – they had it made. Feminism is the petulant pant of a coven of spoiled wenches.
    Of course, one natural and critical question that should be asked is the following: Why was something as absurd as feminism allowed to exist? Obviously, if there ever truly was a patriarchy, it could and would have crushed feminism with extreme prejudice. The tentative answer is that there exist powerful social engineers, who have carefully nurtured feminism to serve as a tool for their ends. What those ends are is somewhat difficult to establish, and too off-topic to discuss here.

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    One thing to remember, and something perhaps inconenient for many here, is that the main voice in the early '70s (the critical time) decrying feminism's idiocies was Jewish - Midge Decter.
    , @Stan D Mute

    1950′s middle-class women in America were by far the most privileged large social group in the history of humanity. By far. They didn’t have to work, their men had just won the greatest war in history, their nation dominated the world economy in a manner never seen before, the bulk of the advertisement industry pandered after their every whim, they had the ironclad protection of the Christian religion – they had it made.
     
    This is true but for the lesbians. They had no biological role and no societal role. And as I believe Mr Sailer has noted many lesbians are high-T women and thus rather spoiling for a fight. Nobody was providing a free home, car, clothing, and food for the lesbians. They didn't get the goodies the sane girls got and this angered them. Rather than accept that something was horribly wrong with them, they decided to wreck it for the sane and normal gals. Bearing and raising children must be wrong. Having a faithful husband provide for the family must be wrong. Instead, gals must stop having babies and strap on combat boots then march into the melee. As is so often the case with human affairs, the insane and abnormal lead the sane and normal into war.
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  6. donut says:

    Here’s a refreshing view :

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  7. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Lesson for frat boys: Off campus nookie only.

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    The intelligent college man seeking wild, drunken, no-strings-attached sex will steer clear of white coeds & get back with his high school teacher.
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  8. Marty [AKA "morty"] says:

    I’ll echo Unit472, with a story. In 1976, i.e. in the bad old days of completely unsupervised greek systems, our west coast frat had a stripper party. Some ghetto dude dropped off a sexy but used looking blonde at our house, and then left. She put on a very raunchy show, using various bottles as I recall, but then passed out on the makeshift stage. She was then very protectively cocooned from various graspers by one of our younger members, a goalie on the water polo team. When the ghetto guy came back, there was an argument about the fee, but nobody ever touched the girl.

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  9. rod1963 says:

    Beyond engaging in sado-masochistic hazing rituals that occasionally results in the murder or hospitalization of a prospect and getting drunk all the time on their parent’s dime I fail to see the use of frats.

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  10. @Kitty
    And you believe this?

    And you believe this?

    Uh oh, looks like you forgot the Trigger Warning, Steve.

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  11. FWIW says:

    The UVA situation quickly became one of becoming the earliest and loudest voice against rape. And who is in favor of rape? Very early on, the Frats spoke out very strongly against rape.

    The Fraternities self suspended social activities before the President decided she couldn’t cede the high ground to them. So she suspended them. And, the Fraternities continued to denounce rape, rape culture, and evil in general. Instead of pointing out the obvious — that they were innocent. It is much better optics to let someone else argue you are innocent.

    It is actually easier to be against an imaginary rape than a real one. There is no need for nuance. And no chance that a messy fact will get in the way. And even easier to be against ‘rape culture’. Again .. who isn’t?

    College kids are going to do what college kids always want to do. Get high and have sex.

    There is no narrative imaginable that will change that.

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    FWIW:

    "The Fraternities self suspended social activities before the President decided she couldn’t cede the high ground to them. So she suspended them."

    Are there any white, cis-gendered, non-Jewish men as heads of highly rated universities anymore? Cornell just appointed a women as its new president. This diversity nonsense is getting a little kooky.

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  12. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Isn’t the real way to stop all this – increasingly unsuffereable and tedious – nonsense is to bring back single-sex colleges?
    Really, I’m just getting tired of all the whining and self indulgent self-manufactured ‘martyrdom’ going on.

    If college girls think that the presence of virile, young, ithyphallic men on site is an ever present and ever dangerous threat to be likened to atomic waste, then surely the solution is to move away from them and to keep them out – by security fences, passes, campus police and all the rest.
    But, oh no. The simple and obvious solution will be hated and derided as ‘bigotry’. That’s my real beef with the ‘equalities’ and PC brigade, of all its whining, cowardly moaning stripes. They simply want their cake, and to eat it too.

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  13. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Jimbojones,
    ‘Feminism’ just like its equally ugly brother mass third world immigration into the west, is suffered to exist solely because white men – those supposed evil, nasty, omnipotent, oppressive beasts – are purely and simply to soft, kind and mild to see it for what it is and stamp down on it.
    As a comparison, to gauge how a real devil may care hardened and selfish people would deal with these evils, just look at the Arabs.

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  14. It certainly seems plausible that political solidarity is formed by top-down pressure–that is, the feeling that there is some group above you that is keeping you in your place. This would mean that Feminism thrives because of a lingering female sense that men still dominate.

    If this is true, it highlights why men find it hard to accept a Men’s Rights movement. To do so would mean admitting that women are your competitors, or in some respects even your masters, and hence that you are a loser who is competing with/being dominated by women. Alpha males have no such worries. Ironically, it also means that the biggest racists and sexists of all are white men who arguably refuse to accept that politically corralled women/minorities can be a threat to their status or welfare because they refuse to admit the possibility of their own domination.

    But it’s hard to get around the problem of lack of male solidarity. Why should a beta male take up the cause of, say, elite educated alpha male frat boys with questionable morals, if adopting such a position only makes them looks like a loser and benefits them not a jot, whilst gaining them no favours from these alpha males in the process?

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    For example, getting a Best Director Oscar nomination remains very much a measure of alpha malehood. In this century, there have been 75 Best Director nominations. One went to Francis Ford Coppola's daughter and one went to James Cameron's ex-wife who seems really cool. And 73 went to men.
    , @SFG
    All very good points. I only ever managed to convince one guy that polygyny was bad for men (because of all the men with no wife)--it's the whole 'I'll be the exception' thing. The thing is, people said similar things about the women's movement sixty years ago before their rise--women were too preoccupied with competition with each other, etc.

    Too bad we have no clever Steinem or Friedan on our side to spin a myth men can accept. (Well, you've got me, but I'm not that connected or clever.)

    There's also the fact that the absolute heights of society are likely to be occupied by men for the foreseeable future, just because only men are going to put in the effort to become the best at politics, science, business, art...practically any human endeavor. This gives feminists a handy distraction--95% of all directors/presidents/CEOs are men, even if the average man is much worse off than the average woman these days.

    What do people think?
    , @Wilkey
    "It certainly seems plausible that political solidarity is formed by top-down pressure–that is, the feeling that there is some group above you that is keeping you in your place. This would mean that Feminism thrives because of a lingering female sense that men still dominate. If this is true, it highlights why men find it hard to accept a Men’s Rights movement. To do so would mean admitting that women are your competitors, or in some respects even your masters..."

    This explains well why middle-class, white Republicans refuse to accept that they are under assault by billionaire white Republicans. To do so would make them feel emasculated, and no man likes that feeling.
    , @Jimmu
    Good point. No one knows what the future will bring but, at present, most men have few incentives to seriously challenge institutional feminism, or present a united front against it.
    , @IA
    I don't think destroying male hierarchy will benefit those lower on the totem pole until fake victim group status marking ends.

    Lord Sandwich "adopted" a South Pacific chief brought back by Captain Cook. By that point the British/europeans had crushed all races and were so dominant that high status men could indulge themselves in such display of superiority over less powerful white men. We are still living in that world, admittedly a crumbling one.
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  15. @Anonymous
    Lesson for frat boys: Off campus nookie only.

    The intelligent college man seeking wild, drunken, no-strings-attached sex will steer clear of white coeds & get back with his high school teacher.

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    The intelligent college man seeking wild, drunken, no-strings-attached sex will steer clear of white coeds & get back with his high school teacher.

     

    The strangest thing about these "mentoring" episodes is that, in every case I've seen over twenty years or so, the offending woman has been quite attractive physically, even in her mug shot. They choose to be losers. They could do better.
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  16. @Al Gore Rhythms
    It certainly seems plausible that political solidarity is formed by top-down pressure--that is, the feeling that there is some group above you that is keeping you in your place. This would mean that Feminism thrives because of a lingering female sense that men still dominate.

    If this is true, it highlights why men find it hard to accept a Men's Rights movement. To do so would mean admitting that women are your competitors, or in some respects even your masters, and hence that you are a loser who is competing with/being dominated by women. Alpha males have no such worries. Ironically, it also means that the biggest racists and sexists of all are white men who arguably refuse to accept that politically corralled women/minorities can be a threat to their status or welfare because they refuse to admit the possibility of their own domination.

    But it's hard to get around the problem of lack of male solidarity. Why should a beta male take up the cause of, say, elite educated alpha male frat boys with questionable morals, if adopting such a position only makes them looks like a loser and benefits them not a jot, whilst gaining them no favours from these alpha males in the process?

    For example, getting a Best Director Oscar nomination remains very much a measure of alpha malehood. In this century, there have been 75 Best Director nominations. One went to Francis Ford Coppola’s daughter and one went to James Cameron’s ex-wife who seems really cool. And 73 went to men.

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    Katheryn Bigelow is very beautiful, and does seem impressive, from what little I've seen of her.
    , @The most deplorable one
    That reminds me of the Fields Medal and La Griffe du Lion.
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    H. Monahan Enterprises

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  18. OT:
    Hey Poland, welcome to “the West”*!
    “Poland’s First Openly Transsexual Lawmaker Set to Run for Presidency”

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150201/1017607257.html

    * “The West” is a registered trademark of the Euro-Atlantic Consensus and should not be confused with the West, which comprises the civilisational heirs of the Latin half of Christendom. “The West” is whatever the New York Times, Hollywood, Economist, Guardian hive mind says it is. Similarly, the EU gets to decide what’s “European” and what isn’t. Norway and Switzerland are not “European”, for example. It’s like someone once said: “I’m Chevy Chase and you’re not”, even though there’s a perfectly nice place by that name in Maryland.

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  19. SFG says:
    @Al Gore Rhythms
    It certainly seems plausible that political solidarity is formed by top-down pressure--that is, the feeling that there is some group above you that is keeping you in your place. This would mean that Feminism thrives because of a lingering female sense that men still dominate.

    If this is true, it highlights why men find it hard to accept a Men's Rights movement. To do so would mean admitting that women are your competitors, or in some respects even your masters, and hence that you are a loser who is competing with/being dominated by women. Alpha males have no such worries. Ironically, it also means that the biggest racists and sexists of all are white men who arguably refuse to accept that politically corralled women/minorities can be a threat to their status or welfare because they refuse to admit the possibility of their own domination.

    But it's hard to get around the problem of lack of male solidarity. Why should a beta male take up the cause of, say, elite educated alpha male frat boys with questionable morals, if adopting such a position only makes them looks like a loser and benefits them not a jot, whilst gaining them no favours from these alpha males in the process?

    All very good points. I only ever managed to convince one guy that polygyny was bad for men (because of all the men with no wife)–it’s the whole ‘I’ll be the exception’ thing. The thing is, people said similar things about the women’s movement sixty years ago before their rise–women were too preoccupied with competition with each other, etc.

    Too bad we have no clever Steinem or Friedan on our side to spin a myth men can accept. (Well, you’ve got me, but I’m not that connected or clever.)

    There’s also the fact that the absolute heights of society are likely to be occupied by men for the foreseeable future, just because only men are going to put in the effort to become the best at politics, science, business, art…practically any human endeavor. This gives feminists a handy distraction–95% of all directors/presidents/CEOs are men, even if the average man is much worse off than the average woman these days.

    What do people think?

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  20. Dartmouth is returning to its Puritan roots, I see.

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  21. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @FWIW
    The UVA situation quickly became one of becoming the earliest and loudest voice against rape. And who is in favor of rape? Very early on, the Frats spoke out very strongly against rape.

    The Fraternities self suspended social activities before the President decided she couldn't cede the high ground to them. So she suspended them. And, the Fraternities continued to denounce rape, rape culture, and evil in general. Instead of pointing out the obvious -- that they were innocent. It is much better optics to let someone else argue you are innocent.

    It is actually easier to be against an imaginary rape than a real one. There is no need for nuance. And no chance that a messy fact will get in the way. And even easier to be against 'rape culture'. Again .. who isn't?

    College kids are going to do what college kids always want to do. Get high and have sex.

    There is no narrative imaginable that will change that.

    FWIW:

    “The Fraternities self suspended social activities before the President decided she couldn’t cede the high ground to them. So she suspended them.”

    Are there any white, cis-gendered, non-Jewish men as heads of highly rated universities anymore? Cornell just appointed a women as its new president. This diversity nonsense is getting a little kooky.

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    Are there any white, cis-gendered, non-Jewish men as heads of highly rated universities anymore?
     
    They seem pretty well-represented here in Massachusetts.

    http://president.mit.edu/biography
    http://president.tufts.edu/biography/
    http://www.bu.edu/president/biography/
    http://www.umassp.edu/president/caret
    http://www.northeastern.edu/president/biography/index.html
    http://www.bc.edu/about/message/s-message.html
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  22. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    For example, getting a Best Director Oscar nomination remains very much a measure of alpha malehood. In this century, there have been 75 Best Director nominations. One went to Francis Ford Coppola's daughter and one went to James Cameron's ex-wife who seems really cool. And 73 went to men.

    Katheryn Bigelow is very beautiful, and does seem impressive, from what little I’ve seen of her.

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  23. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:

    “Lack of Male Solidarity” = male competition.

    Very rare in nature.

    Competing over females? Even rarer.

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  24. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Steve Sailer
    For example, getting a Best Director Oscar nomination remains very much a measure of alpha malehood. In this century, there have been 75 Best Director nominations. One went to Francis Ford Coppola's daughter and one went to James Cameron's ex-wife who seems really cool. And 73 went to men.

    That reminds me of the Fields Medal and La Griffe du Lion.

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  25. 1. my memory is that the “date rape frat” were also known to bang quite a lot of willing girls too

    2. fraternity guys have every incentive to join in condemning rape culture because they are perfectly aware that girls are actually only worried about getting raped by creepy losers

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  26. The feminist solution to “rape culture” is to do nothing to prevent rape.

    This is what they’ll say to any concrete solution to prevent rape “no stupid, just tell boys and men to NOT RAPE!!” or “I shouldn’t HAVE to worry about rape!!”.

    Clearly, they don’t believe there is an actual problem or rape crisis occurring or else actual solutions and implementation of these solutions would occur.

    No in loco parentis, no sex segregation, no curbing of alcohol and drug consumption, no chaperones and no rules in general. This is a giant farce.

    Rape Culture as a term or meme makes no sense. On what planet have young men been told that raping a woman is socially, ethically or morally acceptable? The answer is none.

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  27. On Thursday, a grand jury refused to indict five African-American men who had been accused of committing a group sexual assault on a coed at William Paterson University in New Jersey. I live near Paterson, and the grand jury’s decision has been the top story in the local newspaper, The Record.

    The criminal accusation against these men was handled in an unusual manner. Normally, the county’s prosecutor’s office would investigate the matter and develop any indictment for the grand jury to consider. In this case, however, the campus police force shortcut those normal procedures and filed criminal charges against the five male students after a minimal investigation.

    It is apparent that the university administration pressured its campus police force to act hastily so that the five male students could be expelled as quickly as possible. The campus police also requested that each accused student have bail set at $200,000.

    This legal novelty by which the campus police file criminal charges immediately after any accusation from a coed — providing a legal basis for the university to expel the men without further ado — will become the norm at all colleges and universities. I suspect that the Obama Administration is pushing this legal novelty.

    Below are excerpts from The Record’s Saturday article about the grand jury’s refusal to indict the five male students.

    Defense attorneys … say that campus police should have turned the case over to experts in the Passaic County Prosecutor’s Office instead of filing charges. …

    After charges were filed by campus police Nov. 29, there was a conference with defense attorneys and a discussion with prosecutors that “this was not a strong case,” said defense attorney Ron Ricci.

    “I have been in practice for 19 years, and I have never seen a local police department file charges in a sexual assault case,” said Ricci ….. “That was the problem I had from the start.’’

    County prosecutors had not yet investigated the case when the defendants made their first appearance in court on charges that included first-degree aggravated sexual assault, Ricci said.

    Bail was set at $200,000 but was quickly reduced — at the request of the assistant prosecutor — to $50,000 “to be fair to all sides, so that the defendants don’t have to remain in jail as the case proceeds,” Ricci said.

    University officials, who barred the students from campus after their arrests, declined to comment. Robert Fulleman, director of public safety and university police, did not respond to an email Friday. ….

    “All the evidence was presented to the grand jury, and the grand jury decided not to indict,” said Passaic County Senior Assistant Prosecutor Lisa Squitieri, who presented the case. ….

    Local and municipal police routinely investigate allegations of sexual assault, but in many jurisdictions they are required to report the allegations to the county prosecutor, which has a dedicated sex crimes unit that is available around the clock, experts said. ….

    Sutnick, who represents Collick, said the campus police at William Paterson should have called the Prosecutor’s Office to investigate immediately.

    “The first thing police should have done is reach out to an expert. There’s an entire unit who would have taken a good look at the case and would have started the investigation,” she said.

    It is unclear whether the William Paterson students will be permitted to return. University President Kathleen Waldron said Thursday the university “has its own student conduct process that is independent of the state’s legal proceedings.” That process will continue, she said. Officials declined to elaborate. ….

    The decision by the William Paterson police to charge the defendants came as national attention was growing in Washington on how universities deal with sexual violence and included a threat by Congress that schools would lose federal aid if they did not have effective systems to deal with complaints. ….

    http://www.northjersey.com/news/students-lawyers-say-william-paterson-university-police-bypassed-prosecutor-in-rape-case-1.1261999

    The Record’s initial report about the grand jury’s decision is at

    http://www.northjersey.com/news/all-charges-dismissed-against-5-william-paterson-students-in-sex-assault-case-1.1261204

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  28. To some extent the case is that the feminist propaganda is so pervasive that these men have never heard an anti-feminist opinion.

    I own guns. Due to various experiences in my early years, I’m quite proficient and comfortable around them, although in no way am I a “gun nut”. I don’t hunt, don’t brandish or fondle and admire, and the only, exceedingly rare time, as in many years apart, that I fire one is upon the exceedingly rare purchase of a new one to make sure it works and that I’m familiar with it.

    To me, they are tools as morally neutral/unfraught with implications as a screwdriver. But they are certainly something that are eminently useful in a potentially violent confrontation ranging from encountering a burglar to civil disorder. So I keep some around and keep them relatively handy as by definition many of the very rare situations in which having one would be of critical importance can arise with little warning.

    In other words, I’m given to sleeping with a gun under my pillow. Sounds strange/paranoid/nutty to many, but if you really are comfortable with the things and follow sensible precautions it is no big deal and makes a lot of sense.

    I’m long settled now, but in my single years, I dated a variety of ladies, some of whom were rather ardent, educated, doctrinaire feminists. Inevitably, and early on, the gun thing would come up and not always amicably or subtly.

    After a while it became a stock response on my part, but the first time it was quite reflexive, the only words out of my mouth upon a lady friend making any remonstrative observation about my guns, I responded, very matter of factly and with no heat, I guess because I just assumed it, “this isn’t woman stuff”.

    Man, that would just stop the whole line of discussion dead in its tracks. Always, you could see, nobody had ever said anything like that to them or maybe they had never knowingly been around anyone even capable of thoughts like that. Just utter flabbergastion. On the few occasions where I got any sort of further response, I said something like, “ok, look, if you are going to be the one getting up to investigate the odd noise in the kitchen while I hide in the closet, then you can decide on your toolset”.

    I never had any girlfriend not fully accept this brief “explanation”, kind of like Ring Lardner’s famous explanation, and ultimately respect my attitude. Probably there is some game blog explanation, but honestly, it boils down to just be a man, never apologize, never explain, all that. The problem, if it is indeed a problem rather than society moving on to Pinker’s kinder, gentler era, is that guys are feminized rather than women are radicalized. IME, most women will treat you like a man if you act like one. And by that, I don’t mean some caricature of a high-T blowhard, just be a man, ya know.

    And for better or worse, being a man, at least by traditional definitions, means no whining, which is the anti-thesis of male solidarity, mens rights, etc. Sort of a conundrum, but it is the world in which we live.

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  29. Bill P says:
    @SFG
    They used to say lack of female solidarity prevented feminism. Wonder what happened.

    I see this MRA thing online, but it never seems to gain any traction. Is there an organization I can donate money to?

    They used to say lack of female solidarity prevented feminism. Wonder what happened.

    I see this MRA thing online, but it never seems to gain any traction. Is there an organization I can donate money to?

    The problem with MRA is that it’s the other side of the feminist coin. Guys like Warren Farrell and Paul Elam believe fervently in gender equality, even though it never has and never will exist, but they differ from feminists in the details.

    I compare it to Trotskyites vs. Stalinists.

    The solution isn’t to double down on gender equality, but to reject the concept altogether. I advocate replacing the word “equality” with “balance.” A society in which there is a balance between the masculine and feminine elements is a happy, healthy society. Same goes for a family.

    Obviously, one won’t find balance in the individual, but that’s why nature created us man and woman in the first place — so we wouldn’t be merely a mass of individuals but complementary parts of the species.

    This gender equality nonsense is the natural consequence of centuries of progressive individualism, which results in a bland, atomized society in which there are no natural divisions or communities. It turns out that Enlightenment thinking logically progresses to this kind of dystopia, so MRAs who refuse to abandon it will lead us to exactly the same place the feminists would.

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    Interesting point. I guess traditionalism is a more effective counter to feminism than masculism. Probably has more men in its favor, which is the more important thing. It might be more worthwhile to join an evangelical church and fight with them than to make a movement that isn't effective.

    Problem is, I was raised to believe all that equality stuff and was just angry the feminists were taking advantage of it. But nobody says you have to keep the values you were raised with. ;)

    Thing about all this Enlightenment hate--wouldn't we have to give up science, etc., too? I mean, it's pretty much the thing that let Europe conquer the world.
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  30. Keith Vaz [AKA "Sir Charles Pipkins"] says:

    This really bothers me. Whenever you see some leftist trendy cause it’s always females. I hate government by petition. It’s always meddling women and always for a cause I hate, yet pols ALWAYS cave in to it. Eg prostitution is always approached from the female perspective and never the male buyer. But this is so much at odds with the direction of every other aspect of society where consumer is king. We just don’t seem to be able to agitate and fight for causes, yet women fight for the most obnoxious causes like 50% in engineering. Where are the men fighting for 50% in childcare? Heartiste would call it white knighting.

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  31. Wilkey says:
    @Al Gore Rhythms
    It certainly seems plausible that political solidarity is formed by top-down pressure--that is, the feeling that there is some group above you that is keeping you in your place. This would mean that Feminism thrives because of a lingering female sense that men still dominate.

    If this is true, it highlights why men find it hard to accept a Men's Rights movement. To do so would mean admitting that women are your competitors, or in some respects even your masters, and hence that you are a loser who is competing with/being dominated by women. Alpha males have no such worries. Ironically, it also means that the biggest racists and sexists of all are white men who arguably refuse to accept that politically corralled women/minorities can be a threat to their status or welfare because they refuse to admit the possibility of their own domination.

    But it's hard to get around the problem of lack of male solidarity. Why should a beta male take up the cause of, say, elite educated alpha male frat boys with questionable morals, if adopting such a position only makes them looks like a loser and benefits them not a jot, whilst gaining them no favours from these alpha males in the process?

    “It certainly seems plausible that political solidarity is formed by top-down pressure–that is, the feeling that there is some group above you that is keeping you in your place. This would mean that Feminism thrives because of a lingering female sense that men still dominate. If this is true, it highlights why men find it hard to accept a Men’s Rights movement. To do so would mean admitting that women are your competitors, or in some respects even your masters…”

    This explains well why middle-class, white Republicans refuse to accept that they are under assault by billionaire white Republicans. To do so would make them feel emasculated, and no man likes that feeling.

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  32. Wilkey says:
    @unit472
    Let's be real here. There are no rapist fraternities and damn few rapists enrolled in a real college. The real issue in these so called campus rapes is alcohol abuse. Women who get stupid drunk or who pass out at an alcohol fueled party are likely to have bad things happen to them. Men too. I recall a bachelor party from many years ago where one of the guys attending passed out. When he awoke I asked him if he enjoyed giving "Phil" a BJ. I continued," oh yeah while you were passed out on the sofa Phil put his Johnson in your mouth and we videotaped it". Months later the 'victim' was at my house and I caught him going through my video cassettes looking for the bachelor party tape. I told him 'relax it never happened' and handed him the video tape of the 'party' which only featured the stripper putting her panties on the head of the soon to be married man.

    “The real issue in these so called campus rapes is alcohol abuse. Women who get stupid drunk or who pass out at an alcohol fueled party are likely to have bad things happen to them.”

    Likely, as in more than 50%? Nah. More likely, yes, but the fact is that in more than 99.9% of these cases the response by her fellow college students, even if they are all men, will be a credit to their humanity, or at least their fear of legal repercussions. They will watch after her, and maybe cover her with a blanket or escort her back to her dorm room. The fact that there is actually so little in the way of sexual assault on campuses flooded with booze, hormones, and young men and women living in packed quarters just feet away from each other is a credit to the American middle class, whatever its other failings.

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    Where would we get any good data on what the relative risks are? I'm sure being a cute girl who gets falling-down drunk at bars, frat parties, football team parties, etc., is a good way of waking up naked in some strange dude's bed or even being getting into some situation where you are forcibly raped. But what kind of risk are you looking at, and how would we know?

    I imagine there's self-report data out there that would let you put some bounds on the risk numbers, but I don't really know any details.
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    Thats a good idea, and I know of one instance where something along that line happened. I don’t want to denigrate an entire profession but from the ones I’ve met, schoolteachers are a flaky bunch.

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  34. Jimmu says:
    @Al Gore Rhythms
    It certainly seems plausible that political solidarity is formed by top-down pressure--that is, the feeling that there is some group above you that is keeping you in your place. This would mean that Feminism thrives because of a lingering female sense that men still dominate.

    If this is true, it highlights why men find it hard to accept a Men's Rights movement. To do so would mean admitting that women are your competitors, or in some respects even your masters, and hence that you are a loser who is competing with/being dominated by women. Alpha males have no such worries. Ironically, it also means that the biggest racists and sexists of all are white men who arguably refuse to accept that politically corralled women/minorities can be a threat to their status or welfare because they refuse to admit the possibility of their own domination.

    But it's hard to get around the problem of lack of male solidarity. Why should a beta male take up the cause of, say, elite educated alpha male frat boys with questionable morals, if adopting such a position only makes them looks like a loser and benefits them not a jot, whilst gaining them no favours from these alpha males in the process?

    Good point. No one knows what the future will bring but, at present, most men have few incentives to seriously challenge institutional feminism, or present a united front against it.

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  35. @Handle
    Have you seen the latest from Dartmouth?

    We will create an online “Consent Manual,” including realistic scenarios and potential sanctions, to reduce ambiguity about what is acceptable and what is not. This Consent Manual will be in place by the end of summer 2015.
     

    ...To truly create a safe environment—and one that is advantageous to learning—we will also have to tackle the challenge of excessive drinking. Dartmouth will take the lead among colleges and universities in eliminating hard alcohol on campus. Dartmouth’s new alcohol policy for students will prohibit the possession or consumption of “hard alcohol” (i.e., alcohol that is 30 proof or higher) on campus by individuals, including those over the legal drinking age, and by Dartmouth College-recognized organizations
     
    As for fraternities:

    We will require all student organizations to eliminate the pledge or probationary periods during which members have a lesser status.
    We will require all Greek houses to have active faculty or staff sponsors (one male and one female) as well as active alumni boards.
    We will require all residential student organizations to undergo an annual review process to demonstrate that their structures (advisers, meetings, oversight, accountability, etc.) and programming enhance students’ academic and personal development and contribute to the health and well-being of the members of the organization and the community as a whole and promote inclusivity. ...

    If, in the next three to five years, the Greek system does not engage in meaningful and lasting reform, and we are unsuccessful in sharply curbing harmful behaviors, we will need to revisit the system’s continuation on our campus.
     

    If, in the next three to five years, the Greek system does not engage in meaningful and lasting reform, and we are unsuccessful in sharply curbing harmful behaviors, we will need to revisit the system’s continuation on our campus.

    Unlikely to happen: if the Greeks were kicked out, the school would see enrollment decline by the hundreds or even thousands every year. And the thousands of alumni who’d been Greeks at school would spend elsewhere the money they intended to donate to the school.

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  36. Pat Casey says:

    No, We Can’t Just Leave College Sexual Assault to the Police

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/12/uva-sexual-assault-campus-113294.html#.VM6BlWjF-Ck

    The Battle Over Sexual Assault is the ‘Civil Rights Movement of Our Time’

    http://time.com/100055/campus-sexual-assault-gloria-allred/

    Reading between the lines of arguments like those makes me picture feminist lawyers chomping at the bit to turn the adjudication process of these misconduct boards into an auxiliary court system— created by them, for them.

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  37. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    I am under the impression that the real problem is that many men actually take feminism and its mumbo-jumbo seriously. To some extent the case is that the feminist propaganda is so pervasive that these men have never heard an anti-feminist opinion. Many guys take this the feminist baloney seriously and have all sorts of guilt and feel anxiety and anger toward the imaginary rapists.

    The reality is, of course, that the feminist have defined rape as sex a chick ever regrets. This is an absurd definition, because by this definition, all the silly girls who get hammered at college and drop their panties to have some good dirty fun have suddenly become "rape victims." What a joke.

    No one - neither men, nor women - should take feminism seriously. It's a massive fraud. 1950's middle-class women in America were by far the most privileged large social group in the history of humanity. By far. They didn't have to work, their men had just won the greatest war in history, their nation dominated the world economy in a manner never seen before, the bulk of the advertisement industry pandered after their every whim, they had the ironclad protection of the Christian religion - they had it made. Feminism is the petulant pant of a coven of spoiled wenches.
    Of course, one natural and critical question that should be asked is the following: Why was something as absurd as feminism allowed to exist? Obviously, if there ever truly was a patriarchy, it could and would have crushed feminism with extreme prejudice. The tentative answer is that there exist powerful social engineers, who have carefully nurtured feminism to serve as a tool for their ends. What those ends are is somewhat difficult to establish, and too off-topic to discuss here.

    One thing to remember, and something perhaps inconenient for many here, is that the main voice in the early ’70s (the critical time) decrying feminism’s idiocies was Jewish – Midge Decter.

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    One thing to remember, and something perhaps inconenient for many here, is that the main voice in the early ’70s (the critical time) decrying feminism’s idiocies was Jewish – Midge Decter.

     

    She grew up in St Paul, just blocks from Charlie Schulz. Midwestern Jews seem much less likely to be alienated from general American society than their East Coast hothouse cousins, who only see it on TV.

    Or it could be the opposite. Perhaps she associates feminism-- and she criticized the mainstream, not the SCUM fringe-- with those icy Nordics of Minneapolis who covenanted her family out of their city.
    , @Anonymous
    I'll see your Midge Decter and raise you an Andrea Dworkin, Susan Sontag, Gloria Steinem, Shulamith Firestone, Bella Abzug, Betty Friedan, and Susan Brownmiller.
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  38. @jimbojones
    I am under the impression that the real problem is that many men actually take feminism and its mumbo-jumbo seriously. To some extent the case is that the feminist propaganda is so pervasive that these men have never heard an anti-feminist opinion. Many guys take this the feminist baloney seriously and have all sorts of guilt and feel anxiety and anger toward the imaginary rapists.

    The reality is, of course, that the feminist have defined rape as sex a chick ever regrets. This is an absurd definition, because by this definition, all the silly girls who get hammered at college and drop their panties to have some good dirty fun have suddenly become "rape victims." What a joke.

    No one - neither men, nor women - should take feminism seriously. It's a massive fraud. 1950's middle-class women in America were by far the most privileged large social group in the history of humanity. By far. They didn't have to work, their men had just won the greatest war in history, their nation dominated the world economy in a manner never seen before, the bulk of the advertisement industry pandered after their every whim, they had the ironclad protection of the Christian religion - they had it made. Feminism is the petulant pant of a coven of spoiled wenches.
    Of course, one natural and critical question that should be asked is the following: Why was something as absurd as feminism allowed to exist? Obviously, if there ever truly was a patriarchy, it could and would have crushed feminism with extreme prejudice. The tentative answer is that there exist powerful social engineers, who have carefully nurtured feminism to serve as a tool for their ends. What those ends are is somewhat difficult to establish, and too off-topic to discuss here.

    1950′s middle-class women in America were by far the most privileged large social group in the history of humanity. By far. They didn’t have to work, their men had just won the greatest war in history, their nation dominated the world economy in a manner never seen before, the bulk of the advertisement industry pandered after their every whim, they had the ironclad protection of the Christian religion – they had it made.

    This is true but for the lesbians. They had no biological role and no societal role. And as I believe Mr Sailer has noted many lesbians are high-T women and thus rather spoiling for a fight. Nobody was providing a free home, car, clothing, and food for the lesbians. They didn’t get the goodies the sane girls got and this angered them. Rather than accept that something was horribly wrong with them, they decided to wreck it for the sane and normal gals. Bearing and raising children must be wrong. Having a faithful husband provide for the family must be wrong. Instead, gals must stop having babies and strap on combat boots then march into the melee. As is so often the case with human affairs, the insane and abnormal lead the sane and normal into war.

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  39. @Jonathan Silber
    The intelligent college man seeking wild, drunken, no-strings-attached sex will steer clear of white coeds & get back with his high school teacher.

    The intelligent college man seeking wild, drunken, no-strings-attached sex will steer clear of white coeds & get back with his high school teacher.

    The strangest thing about these “mentoring” episodes is that, in every case I’ve seen over twenty years or so, the offending woman has been quite attractive physically, even in her mug shot. They choose to be losers. They could do better.

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  40. @Anonymous
    One thing to remember, and something perhaps inconenient for many here, is that the main voice in the early '70s (the critical time) decrying feminism's idiocies was Jewish - Midge Decter.

    One thing to remember, and something perhaps inconenient for many here, is that the main voice in the early ’70s (the critical time) decrying feminism’s idiocies was Jewish – Midge Decter.

    She grew up in St Paul, just blocks from Charlie Schulz. Midwestern Jews seem much less likely to be alienated from general American society than their East Coast hothouse cousins, who only see it on TV.

    Or it could be the opposite. Perhaps she associates feminism– and she criticized the mainstream, not the SCUM fringe– with those icy Nordics of Minneapolis who covenanted her family out of their city.

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    Oh, and let's give dear Marjorie proper credit for one of the best book titles of the modern era: Liberal Parents, Radical Children. A whole iSteve post in just four words!
    , @SFG
    Scandinavia has no shortage of crazy feminists, and they're pretty powerful in places like Sweden, where it's really easy to get charged with rape.

    My general impression viz. Midwestern vs. East Coast Jews is that Jews are affected by the same forces that make everyone else liberal or conservative, just shifted to the left. So Midwestern Jews are more conservative than Northeastern Jews, Jewish men are more conservative than Jewish women, etc. I knew quite a few married, professional, older Jewish guys who were moderately conservative--but if they belonged to any other group they'd probably be listening to Rush Limbaugh.
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    One thing to remember, and something perhaps inconenient for many here, is that the main voice in the early ’70s (the critical time) decrying feminism’s idiocies was Jewish – Midge Decter.

     

    She grew up in St Paul, just blocks from Charlie Schulz. Midwestern Jews seem much less likely to be alienated from general American society than their East Coast hothouse cousins, who only see it on TV.

    Or it could be the opposite. Perhaps she associates feminism-- and she criticized the mainstream, not the SCUM fringe-- with those icy Nordics of Minneapolis who covenanted her family out of their city.

    Oh, and let’s give dear Marjorie proper credit for one of the best book titles of the modern era: Liberal Parents, Radical Children. A whole iSteve post in just four words!

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  42. SFG says:
    @Reg Cæsar


    One thing to remember, and something perhaps inconenient for many here, is that the main voice in the early ’70s (the critical time) decrying feminism’s idiocies was Jewish – Midge Decter.

     

    She grew up in St Paul, just blocks from Charlie Schulz. Midwestern Jews seem much less likely to be alienated from general American society than their East Coast hothouse cousins, who only see it on TV.

    Or it could be the opposite. Perhaps she associates feminism-- and she criticized the mainstream, not the SCUM fringe-- with those icy Nordics of Minneapolis who covenanted her family out of their city.

    Scandinavia has no shortage of crazy feminists, and they’re pretty powerful in places like Sweden, where it’s really easy to get charged with rape.

    My general impression viz. Midwestern vs. East Coast Jews is that Jews are affected by the same forces that make everyone else liberal or conservative, just shifted to the left. So Midwestern Jews are more conservative than Northeastern Jews, Jewish men are more conservative than Jewish women, etc. I knew quite a few married, professional, older Jewish guys who were moderately conservative–but if they belonged to any other group they’d probably be listening to Rush Limbaugh.

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  43. SFG says:
    @Bill P

    They used to say lack of female solidarity prevented feminism. Wonder what happened.

    I see this MRA thing online, but it never seems to gain any traction. Is there an organization I can donate money to?
     
    The problem with MRA is that it's the other side of the feminist coin. Guys like Warren Farrell and Paul Elam believe fervently in gender equality, even though it never has and never will exist, but they differ from feminists in the details.

    I compare it to Trotskyites vs. Stalinists.

    The solution isn't to double down on gender equality, but to reject the concept altogether. I advocate replacing the word "equality" with "balance." A society in which there is a balance between the masculine and feminine elements is a happy, healthy society. Same goes for a family.

    Obviously, one won't find balance in the individual, but that's why nature created us man and woman in the first place -- so we wouldn't be merely a mass of individuals but complementary parts of the species.

    This gender equality nonsense is the natural consequence of centuries of progressive individualism, which results in a bland, atomized society in which there are no natural divisions or communities. It turns out that Enlightenment thinking logically progresses to this kind of dystopia, so MRAs who refuse to abandon it will lead us to exactly the same place the feminists would.

    Interesting point. I guess traditionalism is a more effective counter to feminism than masculism. Probably has more men in its favor, which is the more important thing. It might be more worthwhile to join an evangelical church and fight with them than to make a movement that isn’t effective.

    Problem is, I was raised to believe all that equality stuff and was just angry the feminists were taking advantage of it. But nobody says you have to keep the values you were raised with. ;)

    Thing about all this Enlightenment hate–wouldn’t we have to give up science, etc., too? I mean, it’s pretty much the thing that let Europe conquer the world.

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    Thing about all this Enlightenment hate–wouldn’t we have to give up science, etc., too? I mean, it’s pretty much the thing that let Europe conquer the world.

    -SFG
     
    No, and that's the beauty of it. It is science that has discredited these Enlightenment ideas.

    I hate to repeat myself over and over, but read Pinker's Blank Slate. The man just eviscerates the body of thought that holds up the equalist construct. With science.
    , @Melendwyr
    The people badmouthing the Enlightenment are foolishly confusing racial/ethnic egalitarianism with a very large suite of ideas that merely happens to include egalitarianism as a sub-theme.

    The point of the Enlightenment is that we should trash hoary traditional thinking that doesn't match up with reality - like the cherished 'liberalism' pervading our societies that no one may question.

    The inability of some of the people here to cope with the worthwhile aspects of the Enlightenment is, i suspect, due to its incompatibility with their own cherished beliefs, usually religious.
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  44. Bill P says:
    @SFG
    Interesting point. I guess traditionalism is a more effective counter to feminism than masculism. Probably has more men in its favor, which is the more important thing. It might be more worthwhile to join an evangelical church and fight with them than to make a movement that isn't effective.

    Problem is, I was raised to believe all that equality stuff and was just angry the feminists were taking advantage of it. But nobody says you have to keep the values you were raised with. ;)

    Thing about all this Enlightenment hate--wouldn't we have to give up science, etc., too? I mean, it's pretty much the thing that let Europe conquer the world.

    Thing about all this Enlightenment hate–wouldn’t we have to give up science, etc., too? I mean, it’s pretty much the thing that let Europe conquer the world.

    -SFG

    No, and that’s the beauty of it. It is science that has discredited these Enlightenment ideas.

    I hate to repeat myself over and over, but read Pinker’s Blank Slate. The man just eviscerates the body of thought that holds up the equalist construct. With science.

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  45. Melendwyr says: • Website
    @SFG
    Interesting point. I guess traditionalism is a more effective counter to feminism than masculism. Probably has more men in its favor, which is the more important thing. It might be more worthwhile to join an evangelical church and fight with them than to make a movement that isn't effective.

    Problem is, I was raised to believe all that equality stuff and was just angry the feminists were taking advantage of it. But nobody says you have to keep the values you were raised with. ;)

    Thing about all this Enlightenment hate--wouldn't we have to give up science, etc., too? I mean, it's pretty much the thing that let Europe conquer the world.

    The people badmouthing the Enlightenment are foolishly confusing racial/ethnic egalitarianism with a very large suite of ideas that merely happens to include egalitarianism as a sub-theme.

    The point of the Enlightenment is that we should trash hoary traditional thinking that doesn’t match up with reality – like the cherished ‘liberalism’ pervading our societies that no one may question.

    The inability of some of the people here to cope with the worthwhile aspects of the Enlightenment is, i suspect, due to its incompatibility with their own cherished beliefs, usually religious.

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    What is this very large suite of ideas that includes egalitarianism? Anti-divine order bias?
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    Women’s in-group bias is five times as strong as men’s, who don’t really show any more of it towards men.

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  47. snorlax says:
    @Anonymous
    FWIW:

    "The Fraternities self suspended social activities before the President decided she couldn’t cede the high ground to them. So she suspended them."

    Are there any white, cis-gendered, non-Jewish men as heads of highly rated universities anymore? Cornell just appointed a women as its new president. This diversity nonsense is getting a little kooky.

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    snorlax says:

    Are there any white, cis-gendered, non-Jewish men as heads of highly rated universities anymore?

    They seem pretty well-represented here in Massachusetts.

    http://president.mit.edu/biography

     

    The president of MIT is Jewish.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Rafael_Reif
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  48. anon says: • Disclaimer

    How well has their team been doing in the last few years – was it doing badly and then suddenly turned round or had a new coach?

    That would be another interesting correlation to check if one had the data – football team sex assaults matched against sudden upturns in team performance.

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    It would be an excellent moneyball analysis subject if somebody could get some data on college football teams over time that would imply something about their recruiting.
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  49. @anon
    How well has their team been doing in the last few years - was it doing badly and then suddenly turned round or had a new coach?

    That would be another interesting correlation to check if one had the data - football team sex assaults matched against sudden upturns in team performance.

    It would be an excellent moneyball analysis subject if somebody could get some data on college football teams over time that would imply something about their recruiting.

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  50. NOTA says:
    @Wilkey
    "The real issue in these so called campus rapes is alcohol abuse. Women who get stupid drunk or who pass out at an alcohol fueled party are likely to have bad things happen to them."

    Likely, as in more than 50%? Nah. More likely, yes, but the fact is that in more than 99.9% of these cases the response by her fellow college students, even if they are all men, will be a credit to their humanity, or at least their fear of legal repercussions. They will watch after her, and maybe cover her with a blanket or escort her back to her dorm room. The fact that there is actually so little in the way of sexual assault on campuses flooded with booze, hormones, and young men and women living in packed quarters just feet away from each other is a credit to the American middle class, whatever its other failings.

    Where would we get any good data on what the relative risks are? I’m sure being a cute girl who gets falling-down drunk at bars, frat parties, football team parties, etc., is a good way of waking up naked in some strange dude’s bed or even being getting into some situation where you are forcibly raped. But what kind of risk are you looking at, and how would we know?

    I imagine there’s self-report data out there that would let you put some bounds on the risk numbers, but I don’t really know any details.

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  51. @snorlax

    Are there any white, cis-gendered, non-Jewish men as heads of highly rated universities anymore?
     
    They seem pretty well-represented here in Massachusetts.

    http://president.mit.edu/biography
    http://president.tufts.edu/biography/
    http://www.bu.edu/president/biography/
    http://www.umassp.edu/president/caret
    http://www.northeastern.edu/president/biography/index.html
    http://www.bc.edu/about/message/s-message.html

    snorlax says:

    Are there any white, cis-gendered, non-Jewish men as heads of highly rated universities anymore?

    They seem pretty well-represented here in Massachusetts.

    http://president.mit.edu/biography

    The president of MIT is Jewish.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Rafael_Reif

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  52. IA says:
    @Melendwyr
    The people badmouthing the Enlightenment are foolishly confusing racial/ethnic egalitarianism with a very large suite of ideas that merely happens to include egalitarianism as a sub-theme.

    The point of the Enlightenment is that we should trash hoary traditional thinking that doesn't match up with reality - like the cherished 'liberalism' pervading our societies that no one may question.

    The inability of some of the people here to cope with the worthwhile aspects of the Enlightenment is, i suspect, due to its incompatibility with their own cherished beliefs, usually religious.

    What is this very large suite of ideas that includes egalitarianism? Anti-divine order bias?

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  53. IA says:
    @Al Gore Rhythms
    It certainly seems plausible that political solidarity is formed by top-down pressure--that is, the feeling that there is some group above you that is keeping you in your place. This would mean that Feminism thrives because of a lingering female sense that men still dominate.

    If this is true, it highlights why men find it hard to accept a Men's Rights movement. To do so would mean admitting that women are your competitors, or in some respects even your masters, and hence that you are a loser who is competing with/being dominated by women. Alpha males have no such worries. Ironically, it also means that the biggest racists and sexists of all are white men who arguably refuse to accept that politically corralled women/minorities can be a threat to their status or welfare because they refuse to admit the possibility of their own domination.

    But it's hard to get around the problem of lack of male solidarity. Why should a beta male take up the cause of, say, elite educated alpha male frat boys with questionable morals, if adopting such a position only makes them looks like a loser and benefits them not a jot, whilst gaining them no favours from these alpha males in the process?

    I don’t think destroying male hierarchy will benefit those lower on the totem pole until fake victim group status marking ends.

    Lord Sandwich “adopted” a South Pacific chief brought back by Captain Cook. By that point the British/europeans had crushed all races and were so dominant that high status men could indulge themselves in such display of superiority over less powerful white men. We are still living in that world, admittedly a crumbling one.

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  54. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    One thing to remember, and something perhaps inconenient for many here, is that the main voice in the early '70s (the critical time) decrying feminism's idiocies was Jewish - Midge Decter.

    I’ll see your Midge Decter and raise you an Andrea Dworkin, Susan Sontag, Gloria Steinem, Shulamith Firestone, Bella Abzug, Betty Friedan, and Susan Brownmiller.

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    Shulamith Firestone withdrew from public life in 1971 (at age 26) and never again was any kind of feminist agitator. Susan Sontag was known as a promoter of certain strands within literary criticism, known for her red haze politics, and known for her bisexuality. I do not think any of the monographs she published covered feminist territory (cannot say about her articles; Camille Paglia regarded her viewpoint on womanhood as something very different from Gloria Steinem's). Bella Abzug was much more generically red haze than specifically feminist and unlike these others, had no history of troubled relations with men (very devoted to both father and husband).
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    @Anonymous
    I'll see your Midge Decter and raise you an Andrea Dworkin, Susan Sontag, Gloria Steinem, Shulamith Firestone, Bella Abzug, Betty Friedan, and Susan Brownmiller.

    Shulamith Firestone withdrew from public life in 1971 (at age 26) and never again was any kind of feminist agitator. Susan Sontag was known as a promoter of certain strands within literary criticism, known for her red haze politics, and known for her bisexuality. I do not think any of the monographs she published covered feminist territory (cannot say about her articles; Camille Paglia regarded her viewpoint on womanhood as something very different from Gloria Steinem’s). Bella Abzug was much more generically red haze than specifically feminist and unlike these others, had no history of troubled relations with men (very devoted to both father and husband).

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  56. George says:

    The truth: Males in general and athletes in particular are A-holes, so there is a pre disposition to hating them. Petty hatred and jealousy plus bogus campus judiciaries equals arbitrary and capricious justice.

    So why do white athletes like Duke Lacrosse seem to get more attention than black? First there is very little social contact between the general student body and black athletes given the student athlete only courses most take. Second I assume the expensive top tier sports coaches work full time to keep their charges out of trouble. Lacrosse players probably matriculate the same as other students.

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