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Robby Soave: The third part of your series [in The Atlantic: The Question of Rape in Campus Sexual Assault] focuses on the fact that we don’t know what the exact numbers are, but it certainly seems like there’s a disproportionate number of students of color and immigrant men who are being accused of these issues.

Emily Yoffe: No one’s talking about race, but in the cases where the name comes out, you type in the name and it’s a black guy, it’s a black guy, it’s a black guy. The way you get hard numbers is the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights demands that institutions of higher education report the race of students being punished, the way they do in the K–12 realm. But they don’t. I think they don’t want to know.

Let me put one little caveat on that. There’s a danger. When you say we’re going to collect information that could change behavior, it’s not a neutral thing. So are schools going to say, “We’ve got to make sure we’re accusing more white guys, because we could get in trouble otherwise”? That’s not the outcome you’re looking for.

But I talk about Colgate University, which was one of the few places you could actually get numbers because there was a race discrimination complaint brought. Colgate has about 4 percent black student enrollment, which means 2 percent black male. That year, 50 percent of the accused were black. And I had another example where the numbers were almost precisely the same at a large state school—about 2 percent black male enrollment, and the semester I was looking at, at least 50 percent of the accused were black.

 
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  1. So now we’re back to taking accusers seriously? Talk about whiplash.

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    • Replies: @Neoconned
    Now that Gillibrand or whatever her name is has turned on the Clinton's....and let's not down play this....she is Hillary's successor...is there nothing nothing sacred to the Femquisition Cultural Revolution?

    Ol Randy Bill.....what dumbass didn't know about him? A senile, wheelchair bound Bush Sr who oversaw the Gulf War and the collapse and dissolution of the Soviet empire...kneels prostrate to some sjw jihadi.

    When I do finally get out of nursing school in a few yrs I'll probably have to work for a time at a retirement home. Ask ANY FEMALE NURSE what those old coots do....slap them on the ass.

    Like Bush Sr they're in fucking wheelchairs w a head gone to shit w dementia and probably like Bush a cocktail of painkillers and God himself knows what other pill combinations that could alter mood and behavior in a 30 something like me. Much less a ww2 aged codger pushing 100 w a shit filled depends diaper on and drool oozing down his shirt.

    And yet these bimbos act like Bush is a testosterone pumped Tony soprano type Weinstein in his 30s w a cocaine fueled rape libido because he patted them on the rear in-between losing the contents of his bowels and trying to recall where he left his dentures.

    This is a modern day Cultural Revolution only in many ways it's worse. The end game of that CR was to see Mao swept back into power.

    If the Red Guards attacked or humiliated you....you took your penance, kissed Maos ass and you were rehabilitated.

    This is worse. Look at Ben Affleck.....he's apologized out the yang for not knowing this or not acting on that back in 98 or some such.

    There is no end here. There is no kiss Maos ass and the torture stops.

    There is bimbos, wannabes and nobodies keep screaming and fighting for attention and it never ends. This doesn't just have to be stopped....this has to be neutered to the point it can never happen again...m
    , @bomag
    There could be both, you know; both false accusations and actual assaults.

    It's a big world out there. It is not always simple conclusions.

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  2. JerryC says:

    Colgate has an undergrad enrollment of about 2,800, so 4% black works out to 112 students, give or take a few. I wonder what percentage of those 112 are varsity athletes. Colgate does have a football team.

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    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    According to the Colgate website, they have about five sexual assault complaints per year serious enough to warrant an "Equity Grievance Process" (Colgate's Maoist term for rape investigation, apparently). Of those, about 3/4 are deemed "responsible" (guilty) and 1/4 "not responsible" (dismissed).

    http://www.colgate.edu/offices-and-services/equity-and-diversity/biassexualmisconductresources/equity-grievance-announcement

    So if they have 112 black students, half of whom are male, that makes 56 black students racking up half of the complaints, or about two per year, or about a 1 in 28 chance per black male per year. Or, over a four year college career, about a 15%* chance of being "responsible" for an "equity grievance". This is about a 1 in 6 chance or about equal to the chances of a mishap in one round of Russian roulette.

    So each time the university recruits a black male athlete it is almost literally playing Russian roulette, except not with it's own head, but with it coeds' genitalia. This may go some way to answering the ancient iSteve query of how many raped (or "assaulted" or whatever) coeds is an additional touchdown worth?

    *Did I do that right? 3.5%^4?
    , @Art Deco
    Colgate is enrolled in a league of schools which do not offer athletic scholarships.

    The school has a sports culture (and once had a frat culture) of unusual potency for a school of that type and in that place. New York isn't Alabama or Texas or even Michigan. The athletic department which hoovers up resources and distorts and disfigures the institutional mission of the school is not a thing in New York. The school most in danger of that would be Syracuse, which is a research university with 20,000 students. It's also not a thing with small private colleges which emphasize liberal education to the exclusion of everything else. Colgate is a liberal arts college located in New York, which is to say that the sports culture is in bounds there and not injuring the place appreciably. A critic of the institution once said the sports culture was beneficial to the school because it allowed it to develop a distinct niche among liberal arts colleges.
    , @Eagle Eye
    Emily Yoffe's grasp of statistics is a little shaky, perhaps not helped by a sophisticated "education" in the post-modern, post-factual humanities:

    From the article:


    Colgate has about 4 percent black student enrollment, which means 2 percent black male. That year, 50 percent of the accused were black.
    ... at a large state school—about 2 percent black male enrollment, and the semester I was looking at, at least 50 percent of the accused were black.
     
    4 percent black student enrollment does mean that 2% of all students will be black males (assuming black students are 50/50 male and female).

    However, in the real world, the accused in sexual assault cases are exclusively male. Black male students make up 4% of all male students.

    The result of this error is that Emily Yoffe effectively overstates the ratio of black accused to white accused. According to Yoffe's figures, 24 times more black males are accused of sexual assault than are white males, not 48 times more.

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  3. syonredux says:

    But I talk about Colgate University, which was one of the few places you could actually get numbers because there was a race discrimination complaint brought. Colgate has about 4 percent black student enrollment, which means 2 percent black male. That year, 50 percent of the accused were black. And I had another example where the numbers were almost precisely the same at a large state school—about 2 percent black male enrollment, and the semester I was looking at, at least 50 percent of the accused were black.

    So, Black men are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of campus sexual assaults….Color me shocked….

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    So, Black men are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of campus sexual assaults….Color me shocked
     
    Well, yeah, that's the point, but actually, you should be shocked at how normal all this is. Examine Federal Crime stats, it all fits, all routine. Black on White rape is routine, high percentages. White on Black rapes are non-existent. And really, Steve, why are plain old White guys getting the blame for Rape Culture on campus and Hollywood when it's Blacks and Jews and homosexuals like Spacey committing the rapes? Like you, Sy, I'm just shocked.
    , @Jake
    Mr. American Conservative Rod Dreher says you are a deplorable racist for even thinking such a thing.
    , @Forbes

    That year, 50 percent of the accused were black.
     
    Apparently 50% equals two incidents where blacks were accused.

    Far better chance of getting the hysteria train rolling if you claim "50% of the accused were black," rather than "two of the accused were black" on a campus of 2,800.

    What would you rather have: a mountain, or a molehill?
    , @Curle
    But, to repeat the logic espoused by anti-racism entrepreneur Tim Wise referring to black on white and white on black crimes, racists don’t want you to notice that Colgate Blacks and Colgate Whites have the same # of rapes alleged against them (and please don’t notice the population differentials). It is with such thundering logic that Mr Wise received a large payment to speak at my alma mater. A fee that I’m venturing has never been offered to John Derbyshire.
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  4. Bill P says:

    Black sexual behavior is so fundamentally different from white that I have some sympathy for the black guys being accused here. From a white, heterosexual perspective, black sex is extremely casual. I wouldn’t even characterize it as “promiscuous” — no, casual is much more like it. It just happens – all the time – without any strings (or with very flimsy ones) attached.

    I grew up in a largely black neighborhood. Half of the black kids had no idea who their father was. I’ve heard black girls walking down the street asking each other if they knew who was the father of the child they were carrying. Just casual like. Just as casually, they’d admit they had no idea. I once was invited to hang out with some African friends when I was overseas, and what to them was just a normal evening with the girls would have been described by whites as an orgy (the girls were not complaining, BTW).

    Prostitution is so common in black communities that nobody makes a serious effort to crack down on it. Teenage girls walk down the street in revealing dresses, middle-aged guys pull up to talk to them, then they get in the car. It’s everywhere — even right in front of churches.

    If UMC whites came across a group of straight whites behaving in what’s a normal manner for blacks they’d make a national scandal out of it.

    So they take young black guys out of this culture when they are at their hormonal peak, surround them with fertile young women, make them school heroes if they are athletes, and then expect them to suddenly behave like suburban, UMC white children of college-educated parents. Sure, they give them speeches and warn them about sexual harassment and all that, but that goes right out the window in the heat of the moment when some girl is flirting and then it’s right back to what they learned back home: when a girl is acting that way she’s down to f***. Probably over 90% of the time they’re right. It’s probably the mistakes rather than straight up deliberate rapes that get most of them in trouble.

    It may be a pretty dangerous situation for those girls, but also for the boys.

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    • Replies: @Nico

    Black sexual behavior is so fundamentally different from white that I have some sympathy for the black guys being accused here.
     
    I don't. Zero. This is the sort of thinking behind slavery reparations, affirmative action and ultimately BLM and Safe Spaces (translation: whitey move over) mania.

    As far as I'm concerned, either:

    1. Blacks accept the reality of living in a Western country and put themselves to acting m white, with the consequences of harsh sentences pounded down in COLORBLIND fashion every time anyone steps out of this line, or
    2.We revive the Back to Africa movement.
    , @JimB
    I really don’t know what your trying to say. It sounds like you are apologizing for barbaric sexual behavior and suggesting that white girls who aren’t as worldly wise as you got it coming.

    College is a time when a lot of kids have their first sexual experiences. Many black males will have been having sex for nearly a decade by the time they arrive on campus. Sex with young inexperienced white females probably brings out the inner Mugabe in black athletes who probably enjoy a good hate fuck now and again. I have no doubt that some of the campus rape charges are by white girls only five years into puberty who didn’t realize being choked, punched, and sodomized with a beer bottle was foreplay.

    , @Amasius
    Maury Povich is instructive:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=TNYc-e3FPq4
    , @tyrone
    I remember when the schools first integrated (late 60's)being astonished at the way black boys and girls talked to each other, at least now I wouldn't understand what they're saying (my ebonics comprehension is 40 yr old
    , @Jonathan Mason

    I’ve heard black girls walking down the street asking each other if they knew who was the father of the child they were carrying. Just casual like. Just as casually, they’d admit they had no idea.
     
    I spend quite a bit of time in black communities, and I was at one time married to an African-American woman, but I find this hard to believe. If it is really true that the poster heard this conversation walking down the street, then I think it was just some joshing or irony, perhaps aware that white ears were listening in.

    For a start the woman concerned would have been having to have unprotected sex with more than one man during the middle of the menstrual cycle in question, and while this is not impossible, it is not as common, even in lower-class AA communities, as the poster would like to imply. (Note that some years ago there was considerable doubt about the paternity of upper class English actress Liz Hurley's son, even though she is a highly educated white women who would definitely know how babies are made--she was a former long time girlfriend of Hugh Grant.)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-88920/Liz-told-Bing-pill.html

    Secondly, the percentage of black babies who have "father unknown" on their birth certificate is not nearly as high as the poster would have us believe.

    Of course if the putative father is married to another woman, the mother-to-be would have a number of reasons for being circumspect about the paternity of her baby as many issues might arise or need to be negotiated, for example will Medicaid pay for the delivery, will the future father pay child support, and so on.

    However, as an adult immigrant long ago to the US, I did not grow up in this culture and frankly do not know much about the sexual habits of white, middle class Americans, but I do get the impression that black sexuality is much more casual and direct.

    For example, the idea, which seems to be common with young white Americans that men and women can be friends or buddies who have nonsexual sleepovers with each other, even sharing a bed without sex, would be completely incomprehensible to most African Americans who will assume that if a man "likes" a woman to whom he is not related, that it is in a sexual way.

    , @chasebizzy
    There are 13 year old black boys whose sexual exploits would make a 30 year old Warren Beatty blush. I attended a public junior high school in Indianapolis in 90-92. Bill P speaks the truth. My old junior high school is now safe for AM'S. It's AP or high achieving.We had no AM'S back then . We somehow still had doctors in a world where Emmet Till was dead and no AM's existed. Now we still have a surplus of black criminals but there are at least plenty of Hispanics to buffer the lack of white children.
    , @Flip
    I've always thought it would interesting for a sociologist to do a study of a lower class black area and track via DNA which males father the children in the community to see if 20% of the males ("alphas") are actually fathering 80% of the children. I wonder if there is a fair amount of inbreeding in the population.
    , @larry lurker
    A black acquaintance gave us this piece of advice about how to get an orgy started at a party: "The moment the girls start kissing you should be pulling your dick out."
    , @BB753
    Women of prime fertile age have no business at all studying at the university. They should marry young, raise four kids then maybe go to college. And I guess most AA Blacks have no business being there either!
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  5. slumber_j says:

    One possible answer: Colgate Whitening!!

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    Whoa, I definitely remember that ad. There’s something truly great about a sweet-faced all-American girl.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6wUSk29yrU
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  6. Might not be right on the spot, but there is a point in every argument, when you risk to take it to self-parody.

    (This leads me to think, that irony has a very weak (=extremely weak?) position (=image?!) in the US-public shpere. A major “ought” therefor (Dave Pinsen last year here on the blog).

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  7. I’m fully prepared to believe that all 50% of those “rapes” perpetrated by Blacks were bonafide rapes. But I can’t help harboring an inkling of a suspicion that possibly some of those were “regret rapes.” It’s too bad that we don’t have different terms for the different kinds of sexual assault. When a couple of complete strangers are intoxicated and have completely different expectations of what they want, or perhaps aren’t even conscious of what they want, it’s are recipe for disaster; miscommunication x1000. Some of these naive girls probably don’t grasp what’s happening while it’s happening. I can’t even imagine how somebody reacts when such charming “tall-dark-&-handsome” has invited all his buddies for a little tag team action… Passive shock shouldn’t be a complete surprise…

    If only somebody would produce a film or something that depicts the possibility of such dangers, the little naive darlings might be psychically ready to respond appropriately… Alas that’s impossible because even depicting the embarrassing reality of the dangers of our most sacred cows is taboo. Instead we get give the veteran rapist & murderer a big budget and a platform to air fabrications & embellishments of history as more justifications murderous revenge fantasies. Blood libel has become a cottage industry… 12 Years a Slave, Django Unchained, Birth of a Nation, Get Out, now coming soon to HBO & Amazon, Confederate & Black America as well as Jordan Peele’s yet Untitled Social Commentary Thriller… What have I forgotten? Was the Nazis’ anti-semitic propaganda entertainment this ubiquitous and profitable? Never underestimate the appetite for hate & outrage and the opportunities for profit they offer.

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    • Replies: @TheBoom
    Tom Wolfe had that scenario in a Man in Full. Illiterate football player is banging a white girl when they are discovered and she cried rape.
    , @Wilkey
    I’m fully prepared to believe that all 50% of those “rapes” perpetrated by Blacks were bonafide rapes. But I can’t help harboring an inkling of a suspicion that possibly some of those were “regret rapes.”

    BYU had a case of regret gang rape several years ago, when several of their black football players were accused of raping a black track star. She later admitted that she consented to the whole thing. Don't remember if she said she was drunk when it happened or not. But in general I don't think most one-on-one accusations of black on white rape are regret rapes. They're just rape. At colleges you're talking about black men, often athletes, versus willowy white girls. Some of these guys weigh more than twice as much as the white girls they're raping, and the strength disparity is even larger.

    A general rule of thumb and a great way to stay out of trouble is that your first sexual experience with a woman should never ever be when she is even slightly intoxicated. A lot of guys think they'd never get laid if that were the case, and maybe they're right, but it's a bad idea to ever think that the consent of a drunk girl will count for anything in a court of law.
    , @Anonymous
    Speaking of irony-- the reason the black-nationalist "Birth of a Nation" was spiked was campus sexual assault history on part of both creators, who had been football slaves at a Midwestern NCAA farm. People who have problems w/ Blackety-Black power plays have watched and learned, are now flopping the Aggrieved Womynhood card--beats all suits--opportunistically to stab back at hitherto droit-du-signeur Negros in this present cultural battle royale
    , @syonredux
    Well, part of the problem is that unis seem quite willing to pimp White co-eds out to Black athletes....

    Former assistant coach Kendal Briles -- the son of the head coach -- once told a Dallas area student athlete, "Do you like white women? Because we have a lot of them at Baylor and they love football players," according to the suit.
     
    https://archive.is/JkI05#selection-4515.0-4515.232


    Vile stuff.
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  8. Nico says:
    @Bill P
    Black sexual behavior is so fundamentally different from white that I have some sympathy for the black guys being accused here. From a white, heterosexual perspective, black sex is extremely casual. I wouldn't even characterize it as "promiscuous" -- no, casual is much more like it. It just happens - all the time - without any strings (or with very flimsy ones) attached.

    I grew up in a largely black neighborhood. Half of the black kids had no idea who their father was. I've heard black girls walking down the street asking each other if they knew who was the father of the child they were carrying. Just casual like. Just as casually, they'd admit they had no idea. I once was invited to hang out with some African friends when I was overseas, and what to them was just a normal evening with the girls would have been described by whites as an orgy (the girls were not complaining, BTW).

    Prostitution is so common in black communities that nobody makes a serious effort to crack down on it. Teenage girls walk down the street in revealing dresses, middle-aged guys pull up to talk to them, then they get in the car. It's everywhere -- even right in front of churches.

    If UMC whites came across a group of straight whites behaving in what's a normal manner for blacks they'd make a national scandal out of it.

    So they take young black guys out of this culture when they are at their hormonal peak, surround them with fertile young women, make them school heroes if they are athletes, and then expect them to suddenly behave like suburban, UMC white children of college-educated parents. Sure, they give them speeches and warn them about sexual harassment and all that, but that goes right out the window in the heat of the moment when some girl is flirting and then it's right back to what they learned back home: when a girl is acting that way she's down to f***. Probably over 90% of the time they're right. It's probably the mistakes rather than straight up deliberate rapes that get most of them in trouble.

    It may be a pretty dangerous situation for those girls, but also for the boys.

    Black sexual behavior is so fundamentally different from white that I have some sympathy for the black guys being accused here.

    I don’t. Zero. This is the sort of thinking behind slavery reparations, affirmative action and ultimately BLM and Safe Spaces (translation: whitey move over) mania.

    As far as I’m concerned, either:

    1. Blacks accept the reality of living in a Western country and put themselves to acting m white, with the consequences of harsh sentences pounded down in COLORBLIND fashion every time anyone steps out of this line, or
    2.We revive the Back to Africa movement.

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    Mark, I read the article and posted, I then saw your comment about disparity in Buffalo marijuana arrests. Thank you for the link so readers here can see the Buffalo News is the NYT Lite, way lite. And go West Seneca West Indians high school football team, next week playing for the NYSPHSAA Class A championship.
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  10. JimB says:
    @Bill P
    Black sexual behavior is so fundamentally different from white that I have some sympathy for the black guys being accused here. From a white, heterosexual perspective, black sex is extremely casual. I wouldn't even characterize it as "promiscuous" -- no, casual is much more like it. It just happens - all the time - without any strings (or with very flimsy ones) attached.

    I grew up in a largely black neighborhood. Half of the black kids had no idea who their father was. I've heard black girls walking down the street asking each other if they knew who was the father of the child they were carrying. Just casual like. Just as casually, they'd admit they had no idea. I once was invited to hang out with some African friends when I was overseas, and what to them was just a normal evening with the girls would have been described by whites as an orgy (the girls were not complaining, BTW).

    Prostitution is so common in black communities that nobody makes a serious effort to crack down on it. Teenage girls walk down the street in revealing dresses, middle-aged guys pull up to talk to them, then they get in the car. It's everywhere -- even right in front of churches.

    If UMC whites came across a group of straight whites behaving in what's a normal manner for blacks they'd make a national scandal out of it.

    So they take young black guys out of this culture when they are at their hormonal peak, surround them with fertile young women, make them school heroes if they are athletes, and then expect them to suddenly behave like suburban, UMC white children of college-educated parents. Sure, they give them speeches and warn them about sexual harassment and all that, but that goes right out the window in the heat of the moment when some girl is flirting and then it's right back to what they learned back home: when a girl is acting that way she's down to f***. Probably over 90% of the time they're right. It's probably the mistakes rather than straight up deliberate rapes that get most of them in trouble.

    It may be a pretty dangerous situation for those girls, but also for the boys.

    I really don’t know what your trying to say. It sounds like you are apologizing for barbaric sexual behavior and suggesting that white girls who aren’t as worldly wise as you got it coming.

    College is a time when a lot of kids have their first sexual experiences. Many black males will have been having sex for nearly a decade by the time they arrive on campus. Sex with young inexperienced white females probably brings out the inner Mugabe in black athletes who probably enjoy a good hate fuck now and again. I have no doubt that some of the campus rape charges are by white girls only five years into puberty who didn’t realize being choked, punched, and sodomized with a beer bottle was foreplay.

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    I really don’t know what your trying to say. It sounds like you are apologizing for barbaric sexual behavior and suggesting that white girls who aren’t as worldly wise as you got it coming
     
    You're being willfully obtuse here. I never said anyone had it coming. Instead, I asked what one might reasonably expect given the circumstances. There are people who know better involved here. They would be athletic directors, football coaches, and others with years of experience with black culture. Blame them if you want to blame anyone.

    College is a time when a lot of kids have their first sexual experiences. Many black males will have been having sex for nearly a decade by the time they arrive on campus. Sex with young inexperienced white females probably brings out the inner Mugabe in black athletes who probably enjoy a good hate fuck now and again.

     

    You're ascribing fairly sophisticated political motivations to black youths who read at a 7th grade level here. Wouldn't it be more likely that they simply have a sexual impulse, and act on it when stimulated?

    I wonder, do campus administrators not know that blacks have sex a lot (a whole lot -- probably even more than you suspect), and think it's normal to simply stick it in given the opportunity?


    I have no doubt that some of the campus rape charges are by white girls only five years into puberty who didn’t realize being choked, punched, and sodomized with a beer bottle was foreplay.
     
    I'd be surprised if that were the typical case. More likely is a wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am sex act that catches white girls off guard, because they're accustomed to shy white teenage boys who expend huge amounts of effort merely to cop a feel.

    Granted, there are white guys who move pretty quickly, too, but despite myths to the contrary (e.g. Haven Monahan), colleges do a bang-up job of keeping them out.
    , @AndrewR
    "Willfully obtuse" was a polite and accurate description of your comment.

    Obviously, some of the rape accusations are due to behavior that the black males knew wasn't right. But there is a large grey area where most of the accusations almost certainly fall into, where a black guy is acting with an upper class white girl in the same way he has acted with dozens of black girls, who have never accused him of rape.
    , @Art Deco
    Many black males will have been having sex for nearly a decade by the time they arrive on campus.

    Colgate is a school full of professional-managerial class kids with a leavening of patricians. You'd have a hard time finding anyone there who's the least bit geto. That aside, the notion that it's normal for 9 year old black boys to be banging whomever is a sick-o fantasy.

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  11. Amasius says:
    @Bill P
    Black sexual behavior is so fundamentally different from white that I have some sympathy for the black guys being accused here. From a white, heterosexual perspective, black sex is extremely casual. I wouldn't even characterize it as "promiscuous" -- no, casual is much more like it. It just happens - all the time - without any strings (or with very flimsy ones) attached.

    I grew up in a largely black neighborhood. Half of the black kids had no idea who their father was. I've heard black girls walking down the street asking each other if they knew who was the father of the child they were carrying. Just casual like. Just as casually, they'd admit they had no idea. I once was invited to hang out with some African friends when I was overseas, and what to them was just a normal evening with the girls would have been described by whites as an orgy (the girls were not complaining, BTW).

    Prostitution is so common in black communities that nobody makes a serious effort to crack down on it. Teenage girls walk down the street in revealing dresses, middle-aged guys pull up to talk to them, then they get in the car. It's everywhere -- even right in front of churches.

    If UMC whites came across a group of straight whites behaving in what's a normal manner for blacks they'd make a national scandal out of it.

    So they take young black guys out of this culture when they are at their hormonal peak, surround them with fertile young women, make them school heroes if they are athletes, and then expect them to suddenly behave like suburban, UMC white children of college-educated parents. Sure, they give them speeches and warn them about sexual harassment and all that, but that goes right out the window in the heat of the moment when some girl is flirting and then it's right back to what they learned back home: when a girl is acting that way she's down to f***. Probably over 90% of the time they're right. It's probably the mistakes rather than straight up deliberate rapes that get most of them in trouble.

    It may be a pretty dangerous situation for those girls, but also for the boys.

    Maury Povich is instructive:

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    Maury says "Now don't judge her."

    That 10 seconds with Maury's comment is perhaps the best encapsulation of Charles Murray's thesis of how cultural mores disappearing has severely damaged the lower socioeconomic half of society.

    Maury illustrating Murray.
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  12. unit472 says:

    Blacks just don’t do well under scrutiny. What could be fobbed off as broad ‘cultural’ issue can’t be when a complaint is made and a name and race assigned to the culprit.

    The latest incident involving Jameis Winston is illustrative. Accused of sexual assault in college a full scale coverup was mounted but there was no question of the identity of those involved. Now Winston is accused of sexually assaulting an Uber driver but Winston is claiming the Uber driver was confused as to who was sitting in the front seat with her and it will probably work too. Winston can get one of his hangers on to say he did it and Winston ( and the NFL) avoids another unpleasant Ezekial Elliot situation with NFL owners, millions of dollars in investigative costs and Roger Goodell’s contract in jeapordy.

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    Here in Tampa Bay they worship that stinking rapebeast as a God.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Unit, one of the best all time questions asked by a sports writer when Winston was in college...."Who protects you better, your offensive line or the police department?"
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  13. @slumber_j
    One possible answer: Colgate Whitening!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q2hTL2DNfY

    Whoa, I definitely remember that ad. There’s something truly great about a sweet-faced all-American girl.

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  14. Jason Liu says:

    Maybe sanctimonious campus feminists are just racists.

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    Maybe sanctimonious campus feminists are just racists.

     

    On the contrary. The epidemic of black-on-white campus rape is a conundrum for the radfems, as most of them are BLM believers as well. Their usual strategy is to ignore all black-on-white crime (especially campus rape) and cling to the preposterous hoaxes (Duke Lacrosse, Mattress Girl) even after they have been exposed.
    , @Olorin
    No, they are fundamentalist orthodox True Believers.
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  15. Neoconned says:
    @Guy de Champlagne
    So now we're back to taking accusers seriously? Talk about whiplash.

    Now that Gillibrand or whatever her name is has turned on the Clinton’s….and let’s not down play this….she is Hillary’s successor…is there nothing nothing sacred to the Femquisition Cultural Revolution?

    Ol Randy Bill…..what dumbass didn’t know about him? A senile, wheelchair bound Bush Sr who oversaw the Gulf War and the collapse and dissolution of the Soviet empire…kneels prostrate to some sjw jihadi.

    When I do finally get out of nursing school in a few yrs I’ll probably have to work for a time at a retirement home. Ask ANY FEMALE NURSE what those old coots do….slap them on the ass.

    Like Bush Sr they’re in fucking wheelchairs w a head gone to shit w dementia and probably like Bush a cocktail of painkillers and God himself knows what other pill combinations that could alter mood and behavior in a 30 something like me. Much less a ww2 aged codger pushing 100 w a shit filled depends diaper on and drool oozing down his shirt.

    And yet these bimbos act like Bush is a testosterone pumped Tony soprano type Weinstein in his 30s w a cocaine fueled rape libido because he patted them on the rear in-between losing the contents of his bowels and trying to recall where he left his dentures.

    This is a modern day Cultural Revolution only in many ways it’s worse. The end game of that CR was to see Mao swept back into power.

    If the Red Guards attacked or humiliated you….you took your penance, kissed Maos ass and you were rehabilitated.

    This is worse. Look at Ben Affleck…..he’s apologized out the yang for not knowing this or not acting on that back in 98 or some such.

    There is no end here. There is no kiss Maos ass and the torture stops.

    There is bimbos, wannabes and nobodies keep screaming and fighting for attention and it never ends. This doesn’t just have to be stopped….this has to be neutered to the point it can never happen again…m

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    "If the Red Guards attacked or humiliated you….you took your penance, kissed Maos ass and you were rehabilitated.

    "This is worse. Look at Ben Affleck…..he’s apologized out the yang for not knowing this or not acting on that back in 98 or some such.

    "There is no end here. There is no kiss Maos ass and the torture stops.

    "There is bimbos, wannabes and nobodies keep screaming and fighting for attention and it never ends. This doesn’t just have to be stopped….this has to be neutered to the point it can never happen again..."

    So how's it going at Pizza Hut, my friend?
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  16. kihowi says:

    Campus rape is a hoax in its entirety.

    Those women are infatuated with blacks because they are rapists. That’s why they hang around them.

    Then after being raped (and thoroughly enjoying it) they get an opportunity to brag, precious victim points and the illusion that they’re not sluts, all by claiming they actually didn’t wanna.

    Not being raped by blacks on campus must be really, really easy. Those guys mostly are not going to jump from dark corner with a knife. Just don’t be in one of those situations where a bunch of 200-pound blacks and white girls are getting drunk and making out.

    As usual, the whole thing is founded on the idea that women are selectively autistic. “The poor girl didn’t understand that the guy she had been kissing and feeling up all evening thought she wanted to have sex with him.”

    And now this disparity will be used (often by the women who were “raped”) to push for extra goodies and dispensations for blacks. The real headline is: Blacks to get rewarded for having sex with white girls. Or: Whites to be punished for not being rapey enough.

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  17. IHTG says:

    “We’ve got to make sure we’re accusing more white guys, because we could get in trouble otherwise”? That’s not the outcome you’re looking for.

    O rly

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  18. TheBoom says:
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I'm fully prepared to believe that all 50% of those "rapes" perpetrated by Blacks were bonafide rapes. But I can't help harboring an inkling of a suspicion that possibly some of those were "regret rapes." It's too bad that we don't have different terms for the different kinds of sexual assault. When a couple of complete strangers are intoxicated and have completely different expectations of what they want, or perhaps aren't even conscious of what they want, it's are recipe for disaster; miscommunication x1000. Some of these naive girls probably don't grasp what's happening while it's happening. I can't even imagine how somebody reacts when such charming "tall-dark-&-handsome" has invited all his buddies for a little tag team action... Passive shock shouldn't be a complete surprise...

    If only somebody would produce a film or something that depicts the possibility of such dangers, the little naive darlings might be psychically ready to respond appropriately... Alas that's impossible because even depicting the embarrassing reality of the dangers of our most sacred cows is taboo. Instead we get give the veteran rapist & murderer a big budget and a platform to air fabrications & embellishments of history as more justifications murderous revenge fantasies. Blood libel has become a cottage industry... 12 Years a Slave, Django Unchained, Birth of a Nation, Get Out, now coming soon to HBO & Amazon, Confederate & Black America as well as Jordan Peele's yet Untitled Social Commentary Thriller... What have I forgotten? Was the Nazis' anti-semitic propaganda entertainment this ubiquitous and profitable? Never underestimate the appetite for hate & outrage and the opportunities for profit they offer.

    Tom Wolfe had that scenario in a Man in Full. Illiterate football player is banging a white girl when they are discovered and she cried rape.

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    It would be hard for Tom Wolfe to find a publisher for the book today.
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  19. @syonredux

    But I talk about Colgate University, which was one of the few places you could actually get numbers because there was a race discrimination complaint brought. Colgate has about 4 percent black student enrollment, which means 2 percent black male. That year, 50 percent of the accused were black. And I had another example where the numbers were almost precisely the same at a large state school—about 2 percent black male enrollment, and the semester I was looking at, at least 50 percent of the accused were black.
     
    So, Black men are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of campus sexual assaults....Color me shocked....

    So, Black men are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of campus sexual assaults….Color me shocked

    Well, yeah, that’s the point, but actually, you should be shocked at how normal all this is. Examine Federal Crime stats, it all fits, all routine. Black on White rape is routine, high percentages. White on Black rapes are non-existent. And really, Steve, why are plain old White guys getting the blame for Rape Culture on campus and Hollywood when it’s Blacks and Jews and homosexuals like Spacey committing the rapes? Like you, Sy, I’m just shocked.

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    Hey! Much of the Jewish behavior was public masturbation, not rape. Internet porn has presumably dampened that particular flaw for Jews that aren't in Hollywood.
    , @syonredux

    Well, yeah, that’s the point, but actually, you should be shocked at how normal all this is. Examine Federal Crime stats, it all fits, all routine. Black on White rape is routine, high percentages. White on Black rapes are non-existent.

     

    Indeed. Here's Auster's seminal piece on the subject:

    In Table 42, entitled "Personal crimes of violence, 2005, percent distribution of single-offender victimizations, based on race of victims, by type of crime and perceived race of offender," we learn that there were 111,590 white victims and 36,620 black victims of rape or sexual assault in 2005. (The number of rapes is not distinguished from those of sexual assaults; it is maddening that sexual assault, an ill-defined category that covers various types of criminal acts ranging from penetration to inappropriate touching, is conflated with the more specific crime of rape.) In the 111,590 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was white, 44.5 percent of the offenders were white, and 33.6 percent of the offenders were black. In the 36,620 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was black, 100 percent of the offenders were black, and 0.0 percent of the offenders were white. The table explains that 0.0 percent means that there were under 10 incidents nationally.

    The table does not gives statistics for Hispanic victims and offenders. But the bottom line on interracial white/black and black/white rape is clear:

    In the United States in 2005, 37,460 white females were sexually assaulted or raped by a black man, while between zero and ten black females were sexually assaulted or raped by a white man.
     
    http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=26368
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  20. NickG says:

    Campus Rape Accusations Disproportionately Target Black Males

    It’s important to avoid noticing the parsimonious parsimonious explanation.

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  21. Bill P says:
    @JimB
    I really don’t know what your trying to say. It sounds like you are apologizing for barbaric sexual behavior and suggesting that white girls who aren’t as worldly wise as you got it coming.

    College is a time when a lot of kids have their first sexual experiences. Many black males will have been having sex for nearly a decade by the time they arrive on campus. Sex with young inexperienced white females probably brings out the inner Mugabe in black athletes who probably enjoy a good hate fuck now and again. I have no doubt that some of the campus rape charges are by white girls only five years into puberty who didn’t realize being choked, punched, and sodomized with a beer bottle was foreplay.

    I really don’t know what your trying to say. It sounds like you are apologizing for barbaric sexual behavior and suggesting that white girls who aren’t as worldly wise as you got it coming

    You’re being willfully obtuse here. I never said anyone had it coming. Instead, I asked what one might reasonably expect given the circumstances. There are people who know better involved here. They would be athletic directors, football coaches, and others with years of experience with black culture. Blame them if you want to blame anyone.

    College is a time when a lot of kids have their first sexual experiences. Many black males will have been having sex for nearly a decade by the time they arrive on campus. Sex with young inexperienced white females probably brings out the inner Mugabe in black athletes who probably enjoy a good hate fuck now and again.

    You’re ascribing fairly sophisticated political motivations to black youths who read at a 7th grade level here. Wouldn’t it be more likely that they simply have a sexual impulse, and act on it when stimulated?

    I wonder, do campus administrators not know that blacks have sex a lot (a whole lot — probably even more than you suspect), and think it’s normal to simply stick it in given the opportunity?

    I have no doubt that some of the campus rape charges are by white girls only five years into puberty who didn’t realize being choked, punched, and sodomized with a beer bottle was foreplay.

    I’d be surprised if that were the typical case. More likely is a wham-bam-thank-you-ma’am sex act that catches white girls off guard, because they’re accustomed to shy white teenage boys who expend huge amounts of effort merely to cop a feel.

    Granted, there are white guys who move pretty quickly, too, but despite myths to the contrary (e.g. Haven Monahan), colleges do a bang-up job of keeping them out.

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    “You’re ascribing fairly sophisticated political motivations to black youths who read at a 7th grade level here.”

    Huh? Hatred for whites and wanting to humiliate them is a sophisticated political motivation? I would hardly call race hatred a sophisticated political motivation. Blacks with 70 IQ are capable of it. It’s demonstrated across the African continent where blacks routinely rape the dwindling population of white women.
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  22. Fredrik says:

    OT but there’s a mass exodus of Puerto Ricans going on right now.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/us/puerto-ricans-orlando.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=Trending&version=Full&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article

    The scale is larger than any previous movement of Puerto Ricans to the mainland, including the wave that arrived after World War II, said Jorge Duany, the director of the Cuban Research Institute at Florida International University and an expert on Puerto Rican migration. “It’s a stampede.”

    More than 168,000 people have flown or sailed out of Puerto Rico to Florida since the hurricane, landing at airports in Orlando, Miami and Tampa, and the port in Fort Lauderdale. Nearly half are arriving in Orlando, where they are tapping their networks of family and friends. An additional 100,000 are booked on flights to Orlando through Dec. 31,

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  23. AndrewR says:
    @JimB
    I really don’t know what your trying to say. It sounds like you are apologizing for barbaric sexual behavior and suggesting that white girls who aren’t as worldly wise as you got it coming.

    College is a time when a lot of kids have their first sexual experiences. Many black males will have been having sex for nearly a decade by the time they arrive on campus. Sex with young inexperienced white females probably brings out the inner Mugabe in black athletes who probably enjoy a good hate fuck now and again. I have no doubt that some of the campus rape charges are by white girls only five years into puberty who didn’t realize being choked, punched, and sodomized with a beer bottle was foreplay.

    “Willfully obtuse” was a polite and accurate description of your comment.

    Obviously, some of the rape accusations are due to behavior that the black males knew wasn’t right. But there is a large grey area where most of the accusations almost certainly fall into, where a black guy is acting with an upper class white girl in the same way he has acted with dozens of black girls, who have never accused him of rape.

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    where a black guy is acting with an upper class white girl in the same way he has acted with dozens of black girls, who have never accused him of rape.

    It's Colgate. It's a reasonable wager the black youth in question is a doctor's kid from Westchester who is used to social environments where he's in a 4% minority.
    , @Tim Howells
    AnderwR: You'd fit right in with the legal experts in Sweden. In a recent case the young Swedish female victim immediately went to the police, having been terribly beaten including classic defense wounds on the palms and forearms, with fresh DNA evidence implicating the accused African immigrant. The judge warbled to him "I sense that in your heart you really believed that you had consent" and acquitted.
    , @Tim Howells
    duplicate
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  24. @unit472
    Blacks just don't do well under scrutiny. What could be fobbed off as broad 'cultural' issue can't be when a complaint is made and a name and race assigned to the culprit.

    The latest incident involving Jameis Winston is illustrative. Accused of sexual assault in college a full scale coverup was mounted but there was no question of the identity of those involved. Now Winston is accused of sexually assaulting an Uber driver but Winston is claiming the Uber driver was confused as to who was sitting in the front seat with her and it will probably work too. Winston can get one of his hangers on to say he did it and Winston ( and the NFL) avoids another unpleasant Ezekial Elliot situation with NFL owners, millions of dollars in investigative costs and Roger Goodell's contract in jeapordy.

    Here in Tampa Bay they worship that stinking rapebeast as a God.

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  25. @TheBoom
    Tom Wolfe had that scenario in a Man in Full. Illiterate football player is banging a white girl when they are discovered and she cried rape.

    It would be hard for Tom Wolfe to find a publisher for the book today.

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    A Man in Full is a great book indeed - no movie anywhere to be seen with it's plot, by the way... ah: A Man in Full - is also a novel about a character, who is at times very close to Donald Trump (building big houses, losing big, a resurrction of a kind...a big house at the southern coast...).
    , @Dan Hayes
    PiltdownMan:

    Some time ago, William Pierce the author of the The Turner Diaries stated his amazement that Wolfe was able to publish what would now be classified as very politically incorrect views.
    , @Pat Boyle
    I was reading "A Man in Full" when I was stopped by the cops for having a missing drivers' license sticker while crossing into Oakland on the Bay Bridge. There were two cops and we waited on the side of the bridge amid all that fast moving traffic while we waited for the tow truck.

    Then I told them the opening plot of 'A Man in Full' - the part where this guy in Oakland had his car towed by the police , landed in jail, and precipitated a whole series of disastrous events. I suggested that this was prophetic and the only way to escape all the pending consequences was to let me go with a warning.

    Alas neither cop had heard of or had read any Wolfe. I think they thought I was just making it all up.

    More evidence that the police need more literary education.
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  26. @PiltdownMan
    It would be hard for Tom Wolfe to find a publisher for the book today.

    A Man in Full is a great book indeed – no movie anywhere to be seen with it’s plot, by the way… ah: A Man in Full – is also a novel about a character, who is at times very close to Donald Trump (building big houses, losing big, a resurrction of a kind…a big house at the southern coast…).

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  27. @JerryC
    Colgate has an undergrad enrollment of about 2,800, so 4% black works out to 112 students, give or take a few. I wonder what percentage of those 112 are varsity athletes. Colgate does have a football team.

    According to the Colgate website, they have about five sexual assault complaints per year serious enough to warrant an “Equity Grievance Process” (Colgate’s Maoist term for rape investigation, apparently). Of those, about 3/4 are deemed “responsible” (guilty) and 1/4 “not responsible” (dismissed).

    http://www.colgate.edu/offices-and-services/equity-and-diversity/biassexualmisconductresources/equity-grievance-announcement

    So if they have 112 black students, half of whom are male, that makes 56 black students racking up half of the complaints, or about two per year, or about a 1 in 28 chance per black male per year. Or, over a four year college career, about a 15%* chance of being “responsible” for an “equity grievance”. This is about a 1 in 6 chance or about equal to the chances of a mishap in one round of Russian roulette.

    So each time the university recruits a black male athlete it is almost literally playing Russian roulette, except not with it’s own head, but with it coeds’ genitalia. This may go some way to answering the ancient iSteve query of how many raped (or “assaulted” or whatever) coeds is an additional touchdown worth?

    *Did I do that right? 3.5%^4?

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    This is about a 1 in 6 chance
     
    Numbers check by my pencil.

    And for every incident that rises to the level of an official complaint there are... 3? 10? 100? incidents of lesser aggressiveness that degrades the civilized nature of a college campus.

    The other side tells me my expectations are too high.

    Or they tell me that Vibrants are actually smarter and better behaved, but evil racism inflates the numbers.
    , @International Jew

    *Did I do that right? 3.5%^4?
     
    Close enough. If the per-year probability were higher, though, you'd need to do it differently.
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  28. george says:

    I could not find a link to the civil rights investigation of colgate. I did find a link to the law firm of Nesenoff & Miltenberg, LLP, they specialize in real estate and campus assault.

    CAMPUS ASSAULT & CIVIL RIGHTS MEDIA

    http://nmllplaw.com/category/campus-assault-civil-rights/page/7/

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    I don't think it was a "civil right investigation". I think it was a private civil action claiming wrongful dismissal for bias reasons. The judge threw it out.

    http://www.syracuse.com/schools/index.ssf/2017/10/judge_tosses_expelled_students_lawsuit_against_colgate_over_sexual_assault.html

    It sounds like the case was pretty ramshackle. Probably a cheap lawyer.

    As it was at a court of first impression, it's unlikely there are court docs on the internet, but Emily Yoffe may have examined actual documents at the courthouse.
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  29. tyrone says:
    @Bill P
    Black sexual behavior is so fundamentally different from white that I have some sympathy for the black guys being accused here. From a white, heterosexual perspective, black sex is extremely casual. I wouldn't even characterize it as "promiscuous" -- no, casual is much more like it. It just happens - all the time - without any strings (or with very flimsy ones) attached.

    I grew up in a largely black neighborhood. Half of the black kids had no idea who their father was. I've heard black girls walking down the street asking each other if they knew who was the father of the child they were carrying. Just casual like. Just as casually, they'd admit they had no idea. I once was invited to hang out with some African friends when I was overseas, and what to them was just a normal evening with the girls would have been described by whites as an orgy (the girls were not complaining, BTW).

    Prostitution is so common in black communities that nobody makes a serious effort to crack down on it. Teenage girls walk down the street in revealing dresses, middle-aged guys pull up to talk to them, then they get in the car. It's everywhere -- even right in front of churches.

    If UMC whites came across a group of straight whites behaving in what's a normal manner for blacks they'd make a national scandal out of it.

    So they take young black guys out of this culture when they are at their hormonal peak, surround them with fertile young women, make them school heroes if they are athletes, and then expect them to suddenly behave like suburban, UMC white children of college-educated parents. Sure, they give them speeches and warn them about sexual harassment and all that, but that goes right out the window in the heat of the moment when some girl is flirting and then it's right back to what they learned back home: when a girl is acting that way she's down to f***. Probably over 90% of the time they're right. It's probably the mistakes rather than straight up deliberate rapes that get most of them in trouble.

    It may be a pretty dangerous situation for those girls, but also for the boys.

    I remember when the schools first integrated (late 60′s)being astonished at the way black boys and girls talked to each other, at least now I wouldn’t understand what they’re saying (my ebonics comprehension is 40 yr old

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  30. george says:

    Colgate U holds accused in dirty basement room. Given option to fly home.

    Civil Rights Lawsuit Against Colgate For Illegal Imprisonment, Fourth & Fourteenth Amendment Violations, and Discrimination

    http://colgateaaup.blogspot.com/2014/06/civil-rights-lawsuit-against-colgate.html

    The report on colgate might be in the dept of ed website

    https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/investigations/index.html

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  31. Dr. Doom says:

    Well all they need to do is get another “Landmark Supreme Court Decision” based on quotas and ignoring the law. Apparently blacks are now being oppressed by evidence and criminal acts. This hateful evidence and behavior are simply picking on po black folks by holding them to unreasonable standards due to law. If we just get 9 unelected friends of corrupt Presidents to make something up that sounds specious unless its a long and boring deflection full of legalese and emotional drivel we can finally admit that blacks have no ability to conform to legal precedents.

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  32. bomag says:
    @Guy de Champlagne
    So now we're back to taking accusers seriously? Talk about whiplash.

    There could be both, you know; both false accusations and actual assaults.

    It’s a big world out there. It is not always simple conclusions.

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    The likely failure mode for campus rape accusations is sex with morning-after regrets (especially alcohol-related morning-after regrets). You can certainly imagine ways those would be more likely with black guys than white guys, but I have no idea whether that's really what's going on.
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  33. Arclight says:

    Credit where credit is due for Ms. Yoffe…she doesn’t shy away from the realization that a significant percentage of campus sexual assault accusations are BS, or that blacks seem to be wildly over represented as perpetrators. Those are both tough things for progressives to swallow.

    Many on the left have a ‘burn them at the stake’ attitude towards people accused of sexual assault, largely based on the idea that most of these men are blond-haired, blue-eyed Brock Turner types. If it were more widely publicized that blacks make up a wildly disproportionate share of the accused in campus rape cases, the left would have to either a) argue for strict punishment that would fall on their favorite victim class, or b) argue for leniency based on the idea that women (another victim class) can’t always be believed on this subject when the current default is that all accusers are 100% trustworthy.

    As others have pointed out, I am sure a lot of the black men accused of this are low-IQ athletes, some of whom are legitimately criminal in this respect but a fair number of whom just thought they were getting an easy piece with no strings attached, with the victim being a naive girl who is ashamed at being treated like a prostitute.

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    Those are both tough things for progressives to swallow.
     
    Ha! They seem completely happy with double standards: women can say anything; drop a ton of bricks on YT male; POC get a pass.
    , @Stebbing Heuer
    Yes that's as I thought too.

    Who is higher on the victim totem pole - the young female or the young black male?

    It gets tricky when there isn't a white heterosexual male around to blame. Maybe that's why they're so determined to integrate with us, despite telling us 24/7 how loathsome we are. Well, that, and the fact that the parasite must remain close to its host.
    , @Forbes
    By her track record, Yoffe isn't interested in getting to the bottom of the story. She's interested in pounding The Narrative that blacks are treated disproportionately, i.e. with bias amounting to racism by whites, not that blacks are disproportionately misbehaving--and badly so.

    This is just more of the "unequal outcomes and what are we going to do about it" hand-wringing of the progressive left.

    As I commented above, Yoffe wrote that 50% of the accused were black--not that on a campus of 2,800 there were two blacks accused in complaints. She's attempting to turn a near-zero number into a federal civil rights violation case.
    , @ben tillman

    Credit where credit is due for Ms. Yoffe…she doesn’t shy away from the realization that a significant percentage of campus sexual assault accusations are BS, or that blacks seem to be wildly over represented as perpetrators. Those are both tough things for progressives to swallow.
     
    No credit is due her. She doesn't "realize" the realizations you ascribe to her. She has merely found another way to portray blacks as victims and whites as oppressors.
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  34. Svigor says:

    The trouble for the white-knighting manospherists (white-knighting for black guys, lol) is that everything they point to is just as true across the board, not just vis-a-vis blacks. In other words, white guys get falsely accused, too. If anything, rampant brain-dead phony-leftism means black guys get a shield that white guys don’t. Added to that is the shield blacks (are disproportionately likely to) get from sports programs and their boosters.

    In other words, the disparity stands.

    O rly

    Here I was, ready to wonder aloud about this seeming admission against interest.

    You have a dark turn of mind, my friend.

    I like that.

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  35. L Woods says:
    @Guy de Champlagne
    So now we're back to taking accusers seriously? Talk about whiplash.

    I’m sorry if nuance is beyond your mental faculties, but I don’t think we need to hear about it every thread.

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  36. Art Deco says:
    @JerryC
    Colgate has an undergrad enrollment of about 2,800, so 4% black works out to 112 students, give or take a few. I wonder what percentage of those 112 are varsity athletes. Colgate does have a football team.

    Colgate is enrolled in a league of schools which do not offer athletic scholarships.

    The school has a sports culture (and once had a frat culture) of unusual potency for a school of that type and in that place. New York isn’t Alabama or Texas or even Michigan. The athletic department which hoovers up resources and distorts and disfigures the institutional mission of the school is not a thing in New York. The school most in danger of that would be Syracuse, which is a research university with 20,000 students. It’s also not a thing with small private colleges which emphasize liberal education to the exclusion of everything else. Colgate is a liberal arts college located in New York, which is to say that the sports culture is in bounds there and not injuring the place appreciably. A critic of the institution once said the sports culture was beneficial to the school because it allowed it to develop a distinct niche among liberal arts colleges.

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    Colgate is enrolled in a league of schools which do not offer athletic scholarships.
     
    Annnnnnnnd................................your wrong:

    http://colgate.imodules.com/s/801/scene_inside_2col.aspx?gid=1&pgid=4131
    , @charlie
    Colgate has athletic scholarships.

    https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/colgate-university/1544403-athletic-scholarships.html

    They are actually D1 is a number of sports -- football, basketball, tennis. They have always been aggressive about keeping those sports.

    You are thinking of the NESCAC schools -- and yes no scholarships there although a number of those schools have d1 and d2 programs in other sports.

    Athletes in all those cases get a large bump up in the admission process.
    , @Ganderson
    Is Colgate football D III? Colgate Hockey is D I, and can offer scholarships. Not many black hockey players at Colgate (nor anywhere else, for that matter)
    , @Reg Cæsar

    New York isn’t Alabama or Texas or even Michigan.
     
    Funny, but upstate New York borders what used to be-- maybe still?-- America's most potent source of football talent, Pennsylvania. (Actually, western Pennsylvania and eastern Ohio together beat just about everybody else.)

    What's confusing is that Colgate University is in Hamilton, while Hamilton College is in Clinton, and Clinton University is in hiding.

    Colgate was originally called Madison; imagine keeping that straight. And imagine if another college were in the village of Madison, just up the road from Colgate...

    Incidentally, the first football coach at the school was Samuel Colgate Jr, son of the toothpasteur, and the college was renamed for the family during his tenure. Hmmm...
    , @Seth Largo
    Colgate's athletic facilities are very nice. Even the old elements are well kept. During grad school, I'd drive down from Syracuse to use Colgate's climbing gym.
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  37. I predict that the solution to this problem will be to increase the number of false accusations against white male students.

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  38. bomag says:
    @Almost Missouri
    According to the Colgate website, they have about five sexual assault complaints per year serious enough to warrant an "Equity Grievance Process" (Colgate's Maoist term for rape investigation, apparently). Of those, about 3/4 are deemed "responsible" (guilty) and 1/4 "not responsible" (dismissed).

    http://www.colgate.edu/offices-and-services/equity-and-diversity/biassexualmisconductresources/equity-grievance-announcement

    So if they have 112 black students, half of whom are male, that makes 56 black students racking up half of the complaints, or about two per year, or about a 1 in 28 chance per black male per year. Or, over a four year college career, about a 15%* chance of being "responsible" for an "equity grievance". This is about a 1 in 6 chance or about equal to the chances of a mishap in one round of Russian roulette.

    So each time the university recruits a black male athlete it is almost literally playing Russian roulette, except not with it's own head, but with it coeds' genitalia. This may go some way to answering the ancient iSteve query of how many raped (or "assaulted" or whatever) coeds is an additional touchdown worth?

    *Did I do that right? 3.5%^4?

    This is about a 1 in 6 chance

    Numbers check by my pencil.

    And for every incident that rises to the level of an official complaint there are… 3? 10? 100? incidents of lesser aggressiveness that degrades the civilized nature of a college campus.

    The other side tells me my expectations are too high.

    Or they tell me that Vibrants are actually smarter and better behaved, but evil racism inflates the numbers.

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  39. Art Deco says:
    @JimB
    I really don’t know what your trying to say. It sounds like you are apologizing for barbaric sexual behavior and suggesting that white girls who aren’t as worldly wise as you got it coming.

    College is a time when a lot of kids have their first sexual experiences. Many black males will have been having sex for nearly a decade by the time they arrive on campus. Sex with young inexperienced white females probably brings out the inner Mugabe in black athletes who probably enjoy a good hate fuck now and again. I have no doubt that some of the campus rape charges are by white girls only five years into puberty who didn’t realize being choked, punched, and sodomized with a beer bottle was foreplay.

    Many black males will have been having sex for nearly a decade by the time they arrive on campus.

    Colgate is a school full of professional-managerial class kids with a leavening of patricians. You’d have a hard time finding anyone there who’s the least bit geto. That aside, the notion that it’s normal for 9 year old black boys to be banging whomever is a sick-o fantasy.

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    You do realize that exaggeration is an accepted rhetorical device on webzine comment threads?
    , @It's All Ball Bearings
    The decade statement could be changed to 6-8 yrs of experience. One of my employs was with Starr Commonwealth schools / residential and we had groups of sexual offenders who were aged 10-18. One 14 yr old was banging the mother of one of my former students. This was common behavior. From white boys as well.
    , @JimB
    You are happily ignoring the evidence in the piece that a group that makes up 2-4% of an unnamed large state university also commits 50% of the rapes. And that there is a growing body of evidence that this stat is the norm across all schools.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    That aside, the notion that it’s normal for 9 year old black boys to be banging whomever is a sick-o fantasy.
     
    Curt Flood said his playmates in Oakland were "diddled by nine and laid by eleven".

    So he backs up your assertion that this is an exaggeration.
    , @BB753
    In the ghetto, 11 for girls and 12 for boys sounds about right. It also explains the high rate of STD's.
    So what percentage of Blacks are raised in ghettos? 50 to 30%? Just curious.
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  40. bomag says:
    @Arclight
    Credit where credit is due for Ms. Yoffe...she doesn't shy away from the realization that a significant percentage of campus sexual assault accusations are BS, or that blacks seem to be wildly over represented as perpetrators. Those are both tough things for progressives to swallow.

    Many on the left have a 'burn them at the stake' attitude towards people accused of sexual assault, largely based on the idea that most of these men are blond-haired, blue-eyed Brock Turner types. If it were more widely publicized that blacks make up a wildly disproportionate share of the accused in campus rape cases, the left would have to either a) argue for strict punishment that would fall on their favorite victim class, or b) argue for leniency based on the idea that women (another victim class) can't always be believed on this subject when the current default is that all accusers are 100% trustworthy.

    As others have pointed out, I am sure a lot of the black men accused of this are low-IQ athletes, some of whom are legitimately criminal in this respect but a fair number of whom just thought they were getting an easy piece with no strings attached, with the victim being a naive girl who is ashamed at being treated like a prostitute.

    Those are both tough things for progressives to swallow.

    Ha! They seem completely happy with double standards: women can say anything; drop a ton of bricks on YT male; POC get a pass.

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  41. Art Deco says:
    @AndrewR
    "Willfully obtuse" was a polite and accurate description of your comment.

    Obviously, some of the rape accusations are due to behavior that the black males knew wasn't right. But there is a large grey area where most of the accusations almost certainly fall into, where a black guy is acting with an upper class white girl in the same way he has acted with dozens of black girls, who have never accused him of rape.

    where a black guy is acting with an upper class white girl in the same way he has acted with dozens of black girls, who have never accused him of rape.

    It’s Colgate. It’s a reasonable wager the black youth in question is a doctor’s kid from Westchester who is used to social environments where he’s in a 4% minority.

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  42. @Bill P
    Black sexual behavior is so fundamentally different from white that I have some sympathy for the black guys being accused here. From a white, heterosexual perspective, black sex is extremely casual. I wouldn't even characterize it as "promiscuous" -- no, casual is much more like it. It just happens - all the time - without any strings (or with very flimsy ones) attached.

    I grew up in a largely black neighborhood. Half of the black kids had no idea who their father was. I've heard black girls walking down the street asking each other if they knew who was the father of the child they were carrying. Just casual like. Just as casually, they'd admit they had no idea. I once was invited to hang out with some African friends when I was overseas, and what to them was just a normal evening with the girls would have been described by whites as an orgy (the girls were not complaining, BTW).

    Prostitution is so common in black communities that nobody makes a serious effort to crack down on it. Teenage girls walk down the street in revealing dresses, middle-aged guys pull up to talk to them, then they get in the car. It's everywhere -- even right in front of churches.

    If UMC whites came across a group of straight whites behaving in what's a normal manner for blacks they'd make a national scandal out of it.

    So they take young black guys out of this culture when they are at their hormonal peak, surround them with fertile young women, make them school heroes if they are athletes, and then expect them to suddenly behave like suburban, UMC white children of college-educated parents. Sure, they give them speeches and warn them about sexual harassment and all that, but that goes right out the window in the heat of the moment when some girl is flirting and then it's right back to what they learned back home: when a girl is acting that way she's down to f***. Probably over 90% of the time they're right. It's probably the mistakes rather than straight up deliberate rapes that get most of them in trouble.

    It may be a pretty dangerous situation for those girls, but also for the boys.

    I’ve heard black girls walking down the street asking each other if they knew who was the father of the child they were carrying. Just casual like. Just as casually, they’d admit they had no idea.

    I spend quite a bit of time in black communities, and I was at one time married to an African-American woman, but I find this hard to believe. If it is really true that the poster heard this conversation walking down the street, then I think it was just some joshing or irony, perhaps aware that white ears were listening in.

    For a start the woman concerned would have been having to have unprotected sex with more than one man during the middle of the menstrual cycle in question, and while this is not impossible, it is not as common, even in lower-class AA communities, as the poster would like to imply. (Note that some years ago there was considerable doubt about the paternity of upper class English actress Liz Hurley’s son, even though she is a highly educated white women who would definitely know how babies are made–she was a former long time girlfriend of Hugh Grant.)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-88920/Liz-told-Bing-pill.html

    Secondly, the percentage of black babies who have “father unknown” on their birth certificate is not nearly as high as the poster would have us believe.

    Of course if the putative father is married to another woman, the mother-to-be would have a number of reasons for being circumspect about the paternity of her baby as many issues might arise or need to be negotiated, for example will Medicaid pay for the delivery, will the future father pay child support, and so on.

    However, as an adult immigrant long ago to the US, I did not grow up in this culture and frankly do not know much about the sexual habits of white, middle class Americans, but I do get the impression that black sexuality is much more casual and direct.

    For example, the idea, which seems to be common with young white Americans that men and women can be friends or buddies who have nonsexual sleepovers with each other, even sharing a bed without sex, would be completely incomprehensible to most African Americans who will assume that if a man “likes” a woman to whom he is not related, that it is in a sexual way.

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    Note that some years ago there was considerable doubt about the paternity of upper class English actress Liz Hurley’s son, even though she is a highly educated white women who would definitely know how babies are made–she was a former long time girlfriend of Hugh Grant,
     
    Evidently it's not so uncommon as all that then.
    , @Art Deco
    Sexual initiation among blacks tends to occur about a year earlier than is the case among whites. Black women have more pregnancies during the course of their life (~3.9 v. 2.6 for whites). The median age at the time their first child is born is lower (23 v. 26 for whites). The total fertility rate for whites is about 1.8 children per woman per lifetime, v. 2.1 for black women. Self-reported and subjective assessments of black women and white women appear to differ some, but not radically

    (http://www.academia.edu/3332879/Sexual_Well-Being_A_Comparison_of_U_S_Black_and_White_Women_in_Heterosexual_Relationships)


    Where you see large differences is in the social context of the sex act and procreation. About 30% of white Anglo children are born out of wedlock v. 70% + for black children. If I'm not mistaken, attrition rates for black marriages are a great deal higher as well.
    , @jim jones
    Every black girl I see in my town is pushing a buggy around
    , @Curle
    I have it on good authority that in the 70s pediatricians working the Cleveland public hospital near the ghetto used pseudonyms to avoid an abundance of newborns with the Drs surname. One reason the G. Washington family ended up with so many similarly named Clevelandites.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    considerable doubt about the paternity of upper class English actress Liz Hurley’s son, even though she is a highly educated white women
     
    So Liz Hurley is a common slut, and, an educated common slut, and, an upper class English common slut. What does the fact that Liz Hurley is a common slut have to do with the topic at hand? Is the point just that no one should marry the slut Liz Hurley? Because there is a host of idiots (cucks) ready to do so. And they would all be astonished to discover that the slut Liz Hurley became the adulterous Liz Hurley the instant that the cuck married her.

    So what is your point?
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  43. @Bill P
    Black sexual behavior is so fundamentally different from white that I have some sympathy for the black guys being accused here. From a white, heterosexual perspective, black sex is extremely casual. I wouldn't even characterize it as "promiscuous" -- no, casual is much more like it. It just happens - all the time - without any strings (or with very flimsy ones) attached.

    I grew up in a largely black neighborhood. Half of the black kids had no idea who their father was. I've heard black girls walking down the street asking each other if they knew who was the father of the child they were carrying. Just casual like. Just as casually, they'd admit they had no idea. I once was invited to hang out with some African friends when I was overseas, and what to them was just a normal evening with the girls would have been described by whites as an orgy (the girls were not complaining, BTW).

    Prostitution is so common in black communities that nobody makes a serious effort to crack down on it. Teenage girls walk down the street in revealing dresses, middle-aged guys pull up to talk to them, then they get in the car. It's everywhere -- even right in front of churches.

    If UMC whites came across a group of straight whites behaving in what's a normal manner for blacks they'd make a national scandal out of it.

    So they take young black guys out of this culture when they are at their hormonal peak, surround them with fertile young women, make them school heroes if they are athletes, and then expect them to suddenly behave like suburban, UMC white children of college-educated parents. Sure, they give them speeches and warn them about sexual harassment and all that, but that goes right out the window in the heat of the moment when some girl is flirting and then it's right back to what they learned back home: when a girl is acting that way she's down to f***. Probably over 90% of the time they're right. It's probably the mistakes rather than straight up deliberate rapes that get most of them in trouble.

    It may be a pretty dangerous situation for those girls, but also for the boys.

    There are 13 year old black boys whose sexual exploits would make a 30 year old Warren Beatty blush. I attended a public junior high school in Indianapolis in 90-92. Bill P speaks the truth. My old junior high school is now safe for AM’S. It’s AP or high achieving.We had no AM’S back then . We somehow still had doctors in a world where Emmet Till was dead and no AM’s existed. Now we still have a surplus of black criminals but there are at least plenty of Hispanics to buffer the lack of white children.

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    I don't know what an AM is, but back in the 90's the janitor at my job had a 15 year old son who had just become a father for the 2nd time. Two different teen mothers. I was still very much a virgin at 15.
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  44. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Art Deco
    Many black males will have been having sex for nearly a decade by the time they arrive on campus.

    Colgate is a school full of professional-managerial class kids with a leavening of patricians. You'd have a hard time finding anyone there who's the least bit geto. That aside, the notion that it's normal for 9 year old black boys to be banging whomever is a sick-o fantasy.

    You do realize that exaggeration is an accepted rhetorical device on webzine comment threads?

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    That excuse might be open to him if he were a more talented wordsmith.
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  45. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jonathan Mason

    I’ve heard black girls walking down the street asking each other if they knew who was the father of the child they were carrying. Just casual like. Just as casually, they’d admit they had no idea.
     
    I spend quite a bit of time in black communities, and I was at one time married to an African-American woman, but I find this hard to believe. If it is really true that the poster heard this conversation walking down the street, then I think it was just some joshing or irony, perhaps aware that white ears were listening in.

    For a start the woman concerned would have been having to have unprotected sex with more than one man during the middle of the menstrual cycle in question, and while this is not impossible, it is not as common, even in lower-class AA communities, as the poster would like to imply. (Note that some years ago there was considerable doubt about the paternity of upper class English actress Liz Hurley's son, even though she is a highly educated white women who would definitely know how babies are made--she was a former long time girlfriend of Hugh Grant.)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-88920/Liz-told-Bing-pill.html

    Secondly, the percentage of black babies who have "father unknown" on their birth certificate is not nearly as high as the poster would have us believe.

    Of course if the putative father is married to another woman, the mother-to-be would have a number of reasons for being circumspect about the paternity of her baby as many issues might arise or need to be negotiated, for example will Medicaid pay for the delivery, will the future father pay child support, and so on.

    However, as an adult immigrant long ago to the US, I did not grow up in this culture and frankly do not know much about the sexual habits of white, middle class Americans, but I do get the impression that black sexuality is much more casual and direct.

    For example, the idea, which seems to be common with young white Americans that men and women can be friends or buddies who have nonsexual sleepovers with each other, even sharing a bed without sex, would be completely incomprehensible to most African Americans who will assume that if a man "likes" a woman to whom he is not related, that it is in a sexual way.

    Note that some years ago there was considerable doubt about the paternity of upper class English actress Liz Hurley’s son, even though she is a highly educated white women who would definitely know how babies are made–she was a former long time girlfriend of Hugh Grant,

    Evidently it’s not so uncommon as all that then.

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  46. Flip says:
    @Bill P
    Black sexual behavior is so fundamentally different from white that I have some sympathy for the black guys being accused here. From a white, heterosexual perspective, black sex is extremely casual. I wouldn't even characterize it as "promiscuous" -- no, casual is much more like it. It just happens - all the time - without any strings (or with very flimsy ones) attached.

    I grew up in a largely black neighborhood. Half of the black kids had no idea who their father was. I've heard black girls walking down the street asking each other if they knew who was the father of the child they were carrying. Just casual like. Just as casually, they'd admit they had no idea. I once was invited to hang out with some African friends when I was overseas, and what to them was just a normal evening with the girls would have been described by whites as an orgy (the girls were not complaining, BTW).

    Prostitution is so common in black communities that nobody makes a serious effort to crack down on it. Teenage girls walk down the street in revealing dresses, middle-aged guys pull up to talk to them, then they get in the car. It's everywhere -- even right in front of churches.

    If UMC whites came across a group of straight whites behaving in what's a normal manner for blacks they'd make a national scandal out of it.

    So they take young black guys out of this culture when they are at their hormonal peak, surround them with fertile young women, make them school heroes if they are athletes, and then expect them to suddenly behave like suburban, UMC white children of college-educated parents. Sure, they give them speeches and warn them about sexual harassment and all that, but that goes right out the window in the heat of the moment when some girl is flirting and then it's right back to what they learned back home: when a girl is acting that way she's down to f***. Probably over 90% of the time they're right. It's probably the mistakes rather than straight up deliberate rapes that get most of them in trouble.

    It may be a pretty dangerous situation for those girls, but also for the boys.

    I’ve always thought it would interesting for a sociologist to do a study of a lower class black area and track via DNA which males father the children in the community to see if 20% of the males (“alphas”) are actually fathering 80% of the children. I wonder if there is a fair amount of inbreeding in the population.

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    I wonder if there is a fair amount of inbreeding in the population.
     
    Without question. How could it be otherwise in a cultural milieu where "marriage" is nonexistent and hookups are casual?

    One of the whole points of "marriage" is to keep track of who's mating with whom and how the offspring come out. At least in the inside-the-Hajnal-Line sense of the term. It's a complex, costly social behavior and can result in all sorts of conflicts and difficulties in the present with the goal of producing better offspring and alliances down the line.

    Which is as we all know wrong and racist for being selective, effective, and grounded in Noticing.

    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    According to T.J. Sotomayor there is rampant inbreeding in the ghetto. One buck impregnates a bunch of sows in a year and a bunch of opposite sex half-siblings meet up for the first time at Deh Club twenty or so years later.
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  47. @Jim Christian

    So, Black men are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of campus sexual assaults….Color me shocked
     
    Well, yeah, that's the point, but actually, you should be shocked at how normal all this is. Examine Federal Crime stats, it all fits, all routine. Black on White rape is routine, high percentages. White on Black rapes are non-existent. And really, Steve, why are plain old White guys getting the blame for Rape Culture on campus and Hollywood when it's Blacks and Jews and homosexuals like Spacey committing the rapes? Like you, Sy, I'm just shocked.

    Hey! Much of the Jewish behavior was public masturbation, not rape. Internet porn has presumably dampened that particular flaw for Jews that aren’t in Hollywood.

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  48. Can’t wait for Rolling Stone’s shocking expose’ on L’Haven Monahan.

    I’m not holding my breath.

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  49. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I’ve heard black girls walking down the street asking each other if they knew who was the father of the child they were carrying. Just casual like. Just as casually, they’d admit they had no idea.
     
    I spend quite a bit of time in black communities, and I was at one time married to an African-American woman, but I find this hard to believe. If it is really true that the poster heard this conversation walking down the street, then I think it was just some joshing or irony, perhaps aware that white ears were listening in.

    For a start the woman concerned would have been having to have unprotected sex with more than one man during the middle of the menstrual cycle in question, and while this is not impossible, it is not as common, even in lower-class AA communities, as the poster would like to imply. (Note that some years ago there was considerable doubt about the paternity of upper class English actress Liz Hurley's son, even though she is a highly educated white women who would definitely know how babies are made--she was a former long time girlfriend of Hugh Grant.)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-88920/Liz-told-Bing-pill.html

    Secondly, the percentage of black babies who have "father unknown" on their birth certificate is not nearly as high as the poster would have us believe.

    Of course if the putative father is married to another woman, the mother-to-be would have a number of reasons for being circumspect about the paternity of her baby as many issues might arise or need to be negotiated, for example will Medicaid pay for the delivery, will the future father pay child support, and so on.

    However, as an adult immigrant long ago to the US, I did not grow up in this culture and frankly do not know much about the sexual habits of white, middle class Americans, but I do get the impression that black sexuality is much more casual and direct.

    For example, the idea, which seems to be common with young white Americans that men and women can be friends or buddies who have nonsexual sleepovers with each other, even sharing a bed without sex, would be completely incomprehensible to most African Americans who will assume that if a man "likes" a woman to whom he is not related, that it is in a sexual way.

    Sexual initiation among blacks tends to occur about a year earlier than is the case among whites. Black women have more pregnancies during the course of their life (~3.9 v. 2.6 for whites). The median age at the time their first child is born is lower (23 v. 26 for whites). The total fertility rate for whites is about 1.8 children per woman per lifetime, v. 2.1 for black women. Self-reported and subjective assessments of black women and white women appear to differ some, but not radically

    (http://www.academia.edu/3332879/Sexual_Well-Being_A_Comparison_of_U_S_Black_and_White_Women_in_Heterosexual_Relationships)

    Where you see large differences is in the social context of the sex act and procreation. About 30% of white Anglo children are born out of wedlock v. 70% + for black children. If I’m not mistaken, attrition rates for black marriages are a great deal higher as well.

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    Thanks for the data.

    Regarding marital attrition, this is old data (people born 1957-1964 from NLSY79), but the divorce rates were surprisingly similar for blacks in that cohort. Lots of crosstabs there if anyone wants a depper look: https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2013/article/marriage-and-divorce-patterns-by-gender-race-and-educational-attainment.htm
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  50. That’s ridiculous. Almost all rapes are committed by rich white frat boys.

    If you watched “Law and Order: SVU,” you’d know that.

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    And usually from protecurion by high office blue blood relations! Dick Wolf Producing.
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  51. @Art Deco
    Many black males will have been having sex for nearly a decade by the time they arrive on campus.

    Colgate is a school full of professional-managerial class kids with a leavening of patricians. You'd have a hard time finding anyone there who's the least bit geto. That aside, the notion that it's normal for 9 year old black boys to be banging whomever is a sick-o fantasy.

    The decade statement could be changed to 6-8 yrs of experience. One of my employs was with Starr Commonwealth schools / residential and we had groups of sexual offenders who were aged 10-18. One 14 yr old was banging the mother of one of my former students. This was common behavior. From white boys as well.

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    The decade statement could be changed to 6-8 yrs of experience.

    It would still be wrong. Again, sexual initiation about 1 year earlier on average.
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  52. @george
    I could not find a link to the civil rights investigation of colgate. I did find a link to the law firm of Nesenoff & Miltenberg, LLP, they specialize in real estate and campus assault.

    CAMPUS ASSAULT & CIVIL RIGHTS MEDIA
    http://nmllplaw.com/category/campus-assault-civil-rights/page/7/

    I don’t think it was a “civil right investigation”. I think it was a private civil action claiming wrongful dismissal for bias reasons. The judge threw it out.

    http://www.syracuse.com/schools/index.ssf/2017/10/judge_tosses_expelled_students_lawsuit_against_colgate_over_sexual_assault.html

    It sounds like the case was pretty ramshackle. Probably a cheap lawyer.

    As it was at a court of first impression, it’s unlikely there are court docs on the internet, but Emily Yoffe may have examined actual documents at the courthouse.

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  53. carol says:

    Said it before…Jon Krakauer wrote his book about Missoula because of the white perps.

    Much more comfortable that way.

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  54. JimB says:
    @Art Deco
    Many black males will have been having sex for nearly a decade by the time they arrive on campus.

    Colgate is a school full of professional-managerial class kids with a leavening of patricians. You'd have a hard time finding anyone there who's the least bit geto. That aside, the notion that it's normal for 9 year old black boys to be banging whomever is a sick-o fantasy.

    You are happily ignoring the evidence in the piece that a group that makes up 2-4% of an unnamed large state university also commits 50% of the rapes. And that there is a growing body of evidence that this stat is the norm across all schools.

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    You're looking at tiny samples. Violent crime is almost unknown in Madison County. Maybe 5 robberies a year, 8 homicides in a decade. FWIW, these are accusations not adjudicated by the local courts.
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  55. JimB says:
    @Bill P

    I really don’t know what your trying to say. It sounds like you are apologizing for barbaric sexual behavior and suggesting that white girls who aren’t as worldly wise as you got it coming
     
    You're being willfully obtuse here. I never said anyone had it coming. Instead, I asked what one might reasonably expect given the circumstances. There are people who know better involved here. They would be athletic directors, football coaches, and others with years of experience with black culture. Blame them if you want to blame anyone.

    College is a time when a lot of kids have their first sexual experiences. Many black males will have been having sex for nearly a decade by the time they arrive on campus. Sex with young inexperienced white females probably brings out the inner Mugabe in black athletes who probably enjoy a good hate fuck now and again.

     

    You're ascribing fairly sophisticated political motivations to black youths who read at a 7th grade level here. Wouldn't it be more likely that they simply have a sexual impulse, and act on it when stimulated?

    I wonder, do campus administrators not know that blacks have sex a lot (a whole lot -- probably even more than you suspect), and think it's normal to simply stick it in given the opportunity?


    I have no doubt that some of the campus rape charges are by white girls only five years into puberty who didn’t realize being choked, punched, and sodomized with a beer bottle was foreplay.
     
    I'd be surprised if that were the typical case. More likely is a wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am sex act that catches white girls off guard, because they're accustomed to shy white teenage boys who expend huge amounts of effort merely to cop a feel.

    Granted, there are white guys who move pretty quickly, too, but despite myths to the contrary (e.g. Haven Monahan), colleges do a bang-up job of keeping them out.

    “You’re ascribing fairly sophisticated political motivations to black youths who read at a 7th grade level here.”

    Huh? Hatred for whites and wanting to humiliate them is a sophisticated political motivation? I would hardly call race hatred a sophisticated political motivation. Blacks with 70 IQ are capable of it. It’s demonstrated across the African continent where blacks routinely rape the dwindling population of white women.

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  56. @Almost Missouri
    According to the Colgate website, they have about five sexual assault complaints per year serious enough to warrant an "Equity Grievance Process" (Colgate's Maoist term for rape investigation, apparently). Of those, about 3/4 are deemed "responsible" (guilty) and 1/4 "not responsible" (dismissed).

    http://www.colgate.edu/offices-and-services/equity-and-diversity/biassexualmisconductresources/equity-grievance-announcement

    So if they have 112 black students, half of whom are male, that makes 56 black students racking up half of the complaints, or about two per year, or about a 1 in 28 chance per black male per year. Or, over a four year college career, about a 15%* chance of being "responsible" for an "equity grievance". This is about a 1 in 6 chance or about equal to the chances of a mishap in one round of Russian roulette.

    So each time the university recruits a black male athlete it is almost literally playing Russian roulette, except not with it's own head, but with it coeds' genitalia. This may go some way to answering the ancient iSteve query of how many raped (or "assaulted" or whatever) coeds is an additional touchdown worth?

    *Did I do that right? 3.5%^4?

    *Did I do that right? 3.5%^4?

    Close enough. If the per-year probability were higher, though, you’d need to do it differently.

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    Hmm, probably should have been

    .035+.035(1-.035)+.035(1-.035(1-.035))+.035(1-.035(1-.035(1-.035))) = 14%, which is about 1 in 7, which is totally safer than Russian roulette.

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  57. Wilkey says:
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I'm fully prepared to believe that all 50% of those "rapes" perpetrated by Blacks were bonafide rapes. But I can't help harboring an inkling of a suspicion that possibly some of those were "regret rapes." It's too bad that we don't have different terms for the different kinds of sexual assault. When a couple of complete strangers are intoxicated and have completely different expectations of what they want, or perhaps aren't even conscious of what they want, it's are recipe for disaster; miscommunication x1000. Some of these naive girls probably don't grasp what's happening while it's happening. I can't even imagine how somebody reacts when such charming "tall-dark-&-handsome" has invited all his buddies for a little tag team action... Passive shock shouldn't be a complete surprise...

    If only somebody would produce a film or something that depicts the possibility of such dangers, the little naive darlings might be psychically ready to respond appropriately... Alas that's impossible because even depicting the embarrassing reality of the dangers of our most sacred cows is taboo. Instead we get give the veteran rapist & murderer a big budget and a platform to air fabrications & embellishments of history as more justifications murderous revenge fantasies. Blood libel has become a cottage industry... 12 Years a Slave, Django Unchained, Birth of a Nation, Get Out, now coming soon to HBO & Amazon, Confederate & Black America as well as Jordan Peele's yet Untitled Social Commentary Thriller... What have I forgotten? Was the Nazis' anti-semitic propaganda entertainment this ubiquitous and profitable? Never underestimate the appetite for hate & outrage and the opportunities for profit they offer.

    I’m fully prepared to believe that all 50% of those “rapes” perpetrated by Blacks were bonafide rapes. But I can’t help harboring an inkling of a suspicion that possibly some of those were “regret rapes.”

    BYU had a case of regret gang rape several years ago, when several of their black football players were accused of raping a black track star. She later admitted that she consented to the whole thing. Don’t remember if she said she was drunk when it happened or not. But in general I don’t think most one-on-one accusations of black on white rape are regret rapes. They’re just rape. At colleges you’re talking about black men, often athletes, versus willowy white girls. Some of these guys weigh more than twice as much as the white girls they’re raping, and the strength disparity is even larger.

    A general rule of thumb and a great way to stay out of trouble is that your first sexual experience with a woman should never ever be when she is even slightly intoxicated. A lot of guys think they’d never get laid if that were the case, and maybe they’re right, but it’s a bad idea to ever think that the consent of a drunk girl will count for anything in a court of law.

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  58. Jake says:
    @syonredux

    But I talk about Colgate University, which was one of the few places you could actually get numbers because there was a race discrimination complaint brought. Colgate has about 4 percent black student enrollment, which means 2 percent black male. That year, 50 percent of the accused were black. And I had another example where the numbers were almost precisely the same at a large state school—about 2 percent black male enrollment, and the semester I was looking at, at least 50 percent of the accused were black.
     
    So, Black men are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of campus sexual assaults....Color me shocked....

    Mr. American Conservative Rod Dreher says you are a deplorable racist for even thinking such a thing.

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  59. The Buffalo News published an article this week bemoaning the fact that marijuana arrests in Buffalo disproportionately affect minorities, especially blacks and Latinos. There were 231 arrests for marijuana possession in Buffalo last year, hardly an epidemic or purge. Buffalo is majority minority so logic says, sure blacks and Latinos will be arrested more often. And of course this disparity causes high blood pressure and lessened net worth or whatever the grievance is this week.

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  60. Dan Hayes says:
    @PiltdownMan
    It would be hard for Tom Wolfe to find a publisher for the book today.

    PiltdownMan:

    Some time ago, William Pierce the author of the The Turner Diaries stated his amazement that Wolfe was able to publish what would now be classified as very politically incorrect views.

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    Wolfe had a reputation, and not one as a Literal Hitler like Pierce. In addition to be one of the founders of so-called "New Journalism," he had a long track record of going after weak spots in the ruling liberal order without going too far into wrongthink.

    One could easily learn to hate contemporary Western high culture by reading the Painted Word, From Bauhaus to Our House, Radical Chic, Mau-Mauing the Flackcatchers, Bonfire of the Vanities, and A Man in Full, among other things. None of them came off as being too far beyond the pale or speaking out of school. At least not back then.
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  61. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    More crime disparity:
    http://buffalonews.com/2017/11/14/racial-disparity-found-in-local-marijuana-arrests-study-says/
    Why? It's a mystery.

    Mark, I read the article and posted, I then saw your comment about disparity in Buffalo marijuana arrests. Thank you for the link so readers here can see the Buffalo News is the NYT Lite, way lite. And go West Seneca West Indians high school football team, next week playing for the NYSPHSAA Class A championship.

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  62. @unit472
    Blacks just don't do well under scrutiny. What could be fobbed off as broad 'cultural' issue can't be when a complaint is made and a name and race assigned to the culprit.

    The latest incident involving Jameis Winston is illustrative. Accused of sexual assault in college a full scale coverup was mounted but there was no question of the identity of those involved. Now Winston is accused of sexually assaulting an Uber driver but Winston is claiming the Uber driver was confused as to who was sitting in the front seat with her and it will probably work too. Winston can get one of his hangers on to say he did it and Winston ( and the NFL) avoids another unpleasant Ezekial Elliot situation with NFL owners, millions of dollars in investigative costs and Roger Goodell's contract in jeapordy.

    Unit, one of the best all time questions asked by a sports writer when Winston was in college….”Who protects you better, your offensive line or the police department?”

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  63. res says:
    @Art Deco
    Sexual initiation among blacks tends to occur about a year earlier than is the case among whites. Black women have more pregnancies during the course of their life (~3.9 v. 2.6 for whites). The median age at the time their first child is born is lower (23 v. 26 for whites). The total fertility rate for whites is about 1.8 children per woman per lifetime, v. 2.1 for black women. Self-reported and subjective assessments of black women and white women appear to differ some, but not radically

    (http://www.academia.edu/3332879/Sexual_Well-Being_A_Comparison_of_U_S_Black_and_White_Women_in_Heterosexual_Relationships)


    Where you see large differences is in the social context of the sex act and procreation. About 30% of white Anglo children are born out of wedlock v. 70% + for black children. If I'm not mistaken, attrition rates for black marriages are a great deal higher as well.

    Thanks for the data.

    Regarding marital attrition, this is old data (people born 1957-1964 from NLSY79), but the divorce rates were surprisingly similar for blacks in that cohort. Lots of crosstabs there if anyone wants a depper look: https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2013/article/marriage-and-divorce-patterns-by-gender-race-and-educational-attainment.htm

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  64. Find a copy of “The Best American Sports Writing 2003″ edited by Buzz Bissinger. There is a stomach churning article “Out of Control” from ESPN: The Magazine, about the University of Alabama at Birmingham and their quest to become national football relevant. A 14 year old child prodigy, who helped football players with their school work and was admittedly naïve, was used as a pass a round sex toy by 26 UAB football players, almost all of whom were black. This was 18 years ago in 1999, so the more things change, the more they stay the same.

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    You might be thinking of this 2002 article by Bruce Feldman describing a homeschooled white girl who was admitted to Alabama-Birmingham at age 14:

    http://www.espn.com/magazine/vol5no12uab.html
    , @Bill B.
    Ugly story. What were the college authorities thinking?

    It is up and can be read:

    http://www.espn.com/magazine/vol5no12uab.html
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  65. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    Colgate is enrolled in a league of schools which do not offer athletic scholarships.

    The school has a sports culture (and once had a frat culture) of unusual potency for a school of that type and in that place. New York isn't Alabama or Texas or even Michigan. The athletic department which hoovers up resources and distorts and disfigures the institutional mission of the school is not a thing in New York. The school most in danger of that would be Syracuse, which is a research university with 20,000 students. It's also not a thing with small private colleges which emphasize liberal education to the exclusion of everything else. Colgate is a liberal arts college located in New York, which is to say that the sports culture is in bounds there and not injuring the place appreciably. A critic of the institution once said the sports culture was beneficial to the school because it allowed it to develop a distinct niche among liberal arts colleges.

    Colgate is enrolled in a league of schools which do not offer athletic scholarships.

    Annnnnnnnd…………………………..your wrong:

    http://colgate.imodules.com/s/801/scene_inside_2col.aspx?gid=1&pgid=4131

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    The Patriot League did not allow them until 2013.
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  66. @International Jew

    *Did I do that right? 3.5%^4?
     
    Close enough. If the per-year probability were higher, though, you'd need to do it differently.

    Hmm, probably should have been

    .035+.035(1-.035)+.035(1-.035(1-.035))+.035(1-.035(1-.035(1-.035))) = 14%, which is about 1 in 7, which is totally safer than Russian roulette.

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    Easier to compute the probability of dude not raping four years in a row, P = (27/28)^4, then take the complement 1-P (which is the probability that he does it one or more times) = 13.54%.
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  67. charlie says:
    @Art Deco
    Colgate is enrolled in a league of schools which do not offer athletic scholarships.

    The school has a sports culture (and once had a frat culture) of unusual potency for a school of that type and in that place. New York isn't Alabama or Texas or even Michigan. The athletic department which hoovers up resources and distorts and disfigures the institutional mission of the school is not a thing in New York. The school most in danger of that would be Syracuse, which is a research university with 20,000 students. It's also not a thing with small private colleges which emphasize liberal education to the exclusion of everything else. Colgate is a liberal arts college located in New York, which is to say that the sports culture is in bounds there and not injuring the place appreciably. A critic of the institution once said the sports culture was beneficial to the school because it allowed it to develop a distinct niche among liberal arts colleges.

    Colgate has athletic scholarships.

    https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/colgate-university/1544403-athletic-scholarships.html

    They are actually D1 is a number of sports — football, basketball, tennis. They have always been aggressive about keeping those sports.

    You are thinking of the NESCAC schools — and yes no scholarships there although a number of those schools have d1 and d2 programs in other sports.

    Athletes in all those cases get a large bump up in the admission process.

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  68. Mr. Anon says:

    Why are accusations of rape being adjudicated by a university at all? Rape is a crime; women should report it to the police. If they don’t feel they can report it to the police, then it was probably just a bad sexual decision, not rape.

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    The police in many of those towns help keep the rapists on the field. Jimbo Fisher wields a lot more power in Tallahassee than the cops do. Add to that the fact that arresting a black football player comes with a great deal political flack, and there is your answer. Even those caught on video (Joe Mixon) are above the law. 50 women at Baylor (a "Christian" university lol) complained of being assaulted by 40 different black football players, and Ken Starr ignored all of the reports.

    The answer to this problem is to stop letting our institutes of higher learning serve as a minor league for the NFL. The 20 billion dollar NFL should pay for minor leagues like MLB does.
    , @guest
    Shirt answer: because federal regulations say they have to provide a safe environments (Title IX, or whatever). If they don't have some system in place to investigate and hold their own hearings, they'll be sued. They'd get bad press, anyway, if they let students under investigation or on trial for rape continue to attend classes and hang around campus.

    Bear in mind, these little kangaroo courts are separate from and parallel to actual legal processes. The girls are encouraged to go to the police if it's a crime, or at least oughtta be.
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  69. J1234 says:

    Central Africa has what could be described (relatively speaking) as a rape culture. Or maybe it’s a rape gene, I don’t know. Race realists and pro-white activists have been half wrong when describing the AIDS epidemic in Africa categorically as a result of promiscuity. Many millions of black women have not been willing participants in the spread of AIDS throughout Africa. They truly have been victims in a real sense.

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  70. biz says:
    @Amasius
    Maury Povich is instructive:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=TNYc-e3FPq4

    Maury says “Now don’t judge her.”

    That 10 seconds with Maury’s comment is perhaps the best encapsulation of Charles Murray’s thesis of how cultural mores disappearing has severely damaged the lower socioeconomic half of society.

    Maury illustrating Murray.

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  71. Joe Walker says: • Website

    Colgate has about 4 percent black student enrollment, which means 2 percent black male. That year, 50 percent of the accused were black. And I had another example where the numbers were almost precisely the same at a large state school—about 2 percent black male enrollment, and the semester I was looking at, at least 50 percent of the accused were black.

    The only logical conclusion, of course, is that rape victims are incredibly racist.

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  72. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    I'm fully prepared to believe that all 50% of those "rapes" perpetrated by Blacks were bonafide rapes. But I can't help harboring an inkling of a suspicion that possibly some of those were "regret rapes." It's too bad that we don't have different terms for the different kinds of sexual assault. When a couple of complete strangers are intoxicated and have completely different expectations of what they want, or perhaps aren't even conscious of what they want, it's are recipe for disaster; miscommunication x1000. Some of these naive girls probably don't grasp what's happening while it's happening. I can't even imagine how somebody reacts when such charming "tall-dark-&-handsome" has invited all his buddies for a little tag team action... Passive shock shouldn't be a complete surprise...

    If only somebody would produce a film or something that depicts the possibility of such dangers, the little naive darlings might be psychically ready to respond appropriately... Alas that's impossible because even depicting the embarrassing reality of the dangers of our most sacred cows is taboo. Instead we get give the veteran rapist & murderer a big budget and a platform to air fabrications & embellishments of history as more justifications murderous revenge fantasies. Blood libel has become a cottage industry... 12 Years a Slave, Django Unchained, Birth of a Nation, Get Out, now coming soon to HBO & Amazon, Confederate & Black America as well as Jordan Peele's yet Untitled Social Commentary Thriller... What have I forgotten? Was the Nazis' anti-semitic propaganda entertainment this ubiquitous and profitable? Never underestimate the appetite for hate & outrage and the opportunities for profit they offer.

    Speaking of irony– the reason the black-nationalist “Birth of a Nation” was spiked was campus sexual assault history on part of both creators, who had been football slaves at a Midwestern NCAA farm. People who have problems w/ Blackety-Black power plays have watched and learned, are now flopping the Aggrieved Womynhood card–beats all suits–opportunistically to stab back at hitherto droit-du-signeur Negros in this present cultural battle royale

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  73. Let’s see if anyone can improve my rough first draft checklist that I’m working on for my daughters for how to drop their chances of very regrettable sex (and actual rape) down to near zero – all without ever mentioning race, which my “I don’t see color” neighbors will appreciate.

    1. Avoid parties (or being alone in a room*) with athletes.

    These are big, strong, testosterone-filled men – most of whom have no business on a college campus – who are used to women doing any and all for them because of their status. It’s a dangerous situation.

    2. Avoid parties (or being alone in a room) with men who didn’t grow up in a similar background or culture as you.

    Many cultures (both in the U.S. and abroad) simply don’t see women in the same way as your own culture and will view your behavior very differently.

    3. Avoid mixed drinks at parties.

    College men have had generations to perfect squeezing as much alcohol into drinks while still making them taste good. If you’re used to having a three or four spiked seltzers from a can with ~5% alcohol per night and you drink four or five mixed drinks (hey, we always have an extra drink a party) that are around 12% alcohol, you will be drinking 2-and-1/2 times what you’re used to drinking and you will be beyond drunk. Nothing good will come of that.

    Stick to wine or your spiked seltzers. Believe me, the guys at the party will get some for you.

    (Btw, it’s insanely rare that a college woman is given the “date rape” drug. The real date rape drug is alcohol mixed with very sweet, fruity drinks.)

    4. Have a wing gal.

    If you come with a group of girls, leave with the same group of girls. If one of your friends wants to stay with a guy, make sure that she’s sober enough to make that call. Your friends should do the same for you.

    My gut tells me that if a collge woman follows those simple rules, she’ll be fine – and all with mentioning blacks.

    *Obviously, a woman can be alone in a room with an athlete if she’s had some dates and gotten to know the guy. This applies to when a woman has just met a man.

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  74. Get rid of goddamn sportsball and athletic scholarships. Put the sportsballers into tech school where they belong.

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  75. syonredux says:
    @Jim Christian

    So, Black men are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of campus sexual assaults….Color me shocked
     
    Well, yeah, that's the point, but actually, you should be shocked at how normal all this is. Examine Federal Crime stats, it all fits, all routine. Black on White rape is routine, high percentages. White on Black rapes are non-existent. And really, Steve, why are plain old White guys getting the blame for Rape Culture on campus and Hollywood when it's Blacks and Jews and homosexuals like Spacey committing the rapes? Like you, Sy, I'm just shocked.

    Well, yeah, that’s the point, but actually, you should be shocked at how normal all this is. Examine Federal Crime stats, it all fits, all routine. Black on White rape is routine, high percentages. White on Black rapes are non-existent.

    Indeed. Here’s Auster’s seminal piece on the subject:

    In Table 42, entitled “Personal crimes of violence, 2005, percent distribution of single-offender victimizations, based on race of victims, by type of crime and perceived race of offender,” we learn that there were 111,590 white victims and 36,620 black victims of rape or sexual assault in 2005. (The number of rapes is not distinguished from those of sexual assaults; it is maddening that sexual assault, an ill-defined category that covers various types of criminal acts ranging from penetration to inappropriate touching, is conflated with the more specific crime of rape.) In the 111,590 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was white, 44.5 percent of the offenders were white, and 33.6 percent of the offenders were black. In the 36,620 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was black, 100 percent of the offenders were black, and 0.0 percent of the offenders were white. The table explains that 0.0 percent means that there were under 10 incidents nationally.

    The table does not gives statistics for Hispanic victims and offenders. But the bottom line on interracial white/black and black/white rape is clear:

    In the United States in 2005, 37,460 white females were sexually assaulted or raped by a black man, while between zero and ten black females were sexually assaulted or raped by a white man.

    http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=26368

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  76. syonredux says:
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I'm fully prepared to believe that all 50% of those "rapes" perpetrated by Blacks were bonafide rapes. But I can't help harboring an inkling of a suspicion that possibly some of those were "regret rapes." It's too bad that we don't have different terms for the different kinds of sexual assault. When a couple of complete strangers are intoxicated and have completely different expectations of what they want, or perhaps aren't even conscious of what they want, it's are recipe for disaster; miscommunication x1000. Some of these naive girls probably don't grasp what's happening while it's happening. I can't even imagine how somebody reacts when such charming "tall-dark-&-handsome" has invited all his buddies for a little tag team action... Passive shock shouldn't be a complete surprise...

    If only somebody would produce a film or something that depicts the possibility of such dangers, the little naive darlings might be psychically ready to respond appropriately... Alas that's impossible because even depicting the embarrassing reality of the dangers of our most sacred cows is taboo. Instead we get give the veteran rapist & murderer a big budget and a platform to air fabrications & embellishments of history as more justifications murderous revenge fantasies. Blood libel has become a cottage industry... 12 Years a Slave, Django Unchained, Birth of a Nation, Get Out, now coming soon to HBO & Amazon, Confederate & Black America as well as Jordan Peele's yet Untitled Social Commentary Thriller... What have I forgotten? Was the Nazis' anti-semitic propaganda entertainment this ubiquitous and profitable? Never underestimate the appetite for hate & outrage and the opportunities for profit they offer.

    Well, part of the problem is that unis seem quite willing to pimp White co-eds out to Black athletes….

    Former assistant coach Kendal Briles — the son of the head coach — once told a Dallas area student athlete, “Do you like white women? Because we have a lot of them at Baylor and they love football players,” according to the suit.

    https://archive.is/JkI05#selection-4515.0-4515.232

    Vile stuff.

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    Does anybody have a link to the study with campus sexual assualt/rape accusation statistics that Yoffe brought up?
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  77. Colgate has about 4 percent black student enrollment, which means 2 percent black male.

    This assumption is inaccurate. The general enrollment at Colgate University is 55% women. Nationally there are about twice as many black women in college as black men. Even a small school like Colgate would have a near-impossible time enrolling an equal number of black women and men. To confirm my suspicions, I looked at the rosters for the football and men’s basketball team. As I suspected, both teams are majority white. The football team is 75% white with no more than 20 black players out of a roster of 80. The men’s basketball team is 62.5% white with six black players out of a roster of 16.

    It’s not worth reading, but in 2013 an SJW wrote a “piece of literary journalism” titled “Sexual Racism” that noted that neither white nor black guys at Colgate University were interested in black women. (LINK)

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    Nice link but

    “Sexual Racism,” or the phenomenon where white male students on campus tend not to find black female students sexually attractive.
     
    It doesn't say black women are unable to attract black men for "hook-ups" (which I expect means casual sex). Not that it would even if that was the case.
    , @Carbon blob
    "It’s not worth reading, but in 2013 an SJW wrote a “piece of literary journalism” titled “Sexual Racism” that noted that neither white nor black guys at Colgate University were interested in black women."

    OKCupid did a study ~10? years ago that concluded the same about black women. On the other side, Asian men are at the bottom of the totem pole, although they draw reasonable amounts of interest from Asian women.
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  78. Ganderson says:
    @Art Deco
    Colgate is enrolled in a league of schools which do not offer athletic scholarships.

    The school has a sports culture (and once had a frat culture) of unusual potency for a school of that type and in that place. New York isn't Alabama or Texas or even Michigan. The athletic department which hoovers up resources and distorts and disfigures the institutional mission of the school is not a thing in New York. The school most in danger of that would be Syracuse, which is a research university with 20,000 students. It's also not a thing with small private colleges which emphasize liberal education to the exclusion of everything else. Colgate is a liberal arts college located in New York, which is to say that the sports culture is in bounds there and not injuring the place appreciably. A critic of the institution once said the sports culture was beneficial to the school because it allowed it to develop a distinct niche among liberal arts colleges.

    Is Colgate football D III? Colgate Hockey is D I, and can offer scholarships. Not many black hockey players at Colgate (nor anywhere else, for that matter)

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  79. @Arclight
    Credit where credit is due for Ms. Yoffe...she doesn't shy away from the realization that a significant percentage of campus sexual assault accusations are BS, or that blacks seem to be wildly over represented as perpetrators. Those are both tough things for progressives to swallow.

    Many on the left have a 'burn them at the stake' attitude towards people accused of sexual assault, largely based on the idea that most of these men are blond-haired, blue-eyed Brock Turner types. If it were more widely publicized that blacks make up a wildly disproportionate share of the accused in campus rape cases, the left would have to either a) argue for strict punishment that would fall on their favorite victim class, or b) argue for leniency based on the idea that women (another victim class) can't always be believed on this subject when the current default is that all accusers are 100% trustworthy.

    As others have pointed out, I am sure a lot of the black men accused of this are low-IQ athletes, some of whom are legitimately criminal in this respect but a fair number of whom just thought they were getting an easy piece with no strings attached, with the victim being a naive girl who is ashamed at being treated like a prostitute.

    Yes that’s as I thought too.

    Who is higher on the victim totem pole – the young female or the young black male?

    It gets tricky when there isn’t a white heterosexual male around to blame. Maybe that’s why they’re so determined to integrate with us, despite telling us 24/7 how loathsome we are. Well, that, and the fact that the parasite must remain close to its host.

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  80. @Buffalo Joe
    Find a copy of "The Best American Sports Writing 2003" edited by Buzz Bissinger. There is a stomach churning article "Out of Control" from ESPN: The Magazine, about the University of Alabama at Birmingham and their quest to become national football relevant. A 14 year old child prodigy, who helped football players with their school work and was admittedly naïve, was used as a pass a round sex toy by 26 UAB football players, almost all of whom were black. This was 18 years ago in 1999, so the more things change, the more they stay the same.

    You might be thinking of this 2002 article by Bruce Feldman describing a homeschooled white girl who was admitted to Alabama-Birmingham at age 14:

    http://www.espn.com/magazine/vol5no12uab.html

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    Yes, that was also in the anthology that Joe referenced. A perfect case study in what happens when athletes with no academic qualifications at all are allowed on a campus where no rules apply to them.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    PV, that is the article I was referring to. Thank you. Stomach churning.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    I read part of the article. The girl had no business being there, and that is her parent's fault.

    The girl also sounds like a wacko; smart 14 year olds don't all of a sudden start blowing football players.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    You would think that given their social status on campus, the football and basketball teams wouldn't be hanging out with a 14 year-old girl (who apparently looked 14 too). They'd at least have girls their age who they could hang out with and have sex with, eliminating the "need" for a 14 year-old team groupie.

    Contrary to what a lot of the posters here seem to believe, my experience was always that a lot of the college football/basketball athletes weren't particularly popular with campus girls. However, they (especially the black athletes) had an overwhelming sense of sexual entitlement and felt they deserved to get laid with whoever they chose. They'd often chase women down hard and not take no for an answer. For the most part, they were remarkably persistent.

    That's not to imply that there weren't any athletes doing well with girls. There obviously were, especially if they were a "star" player who was on a winning team, but most players (80-90%) labor in obscurity. People don't really know who you are, for the most part, unless you're in the top tenth of the team. You also have to remember that a lot of athletes are, no offense, sorta ugly in a caveman type of way. For lots of upper-middle girls who grow up wanting guys that look like preppy Abercrombie&Fitch models, the athletes are often too burly or thuggish looking.

    So, no, it's not "regret rape." For the most part, it's real rape. Guys who think they should get whatever they want because their team is winning a lot. That sense of sexual entitlement has a lot to do with rapes on campus, with the situation being aggravated by alcohol and campus admins that look the other way. Even when an encounter starts off consensual, it often turns non-consensual when a football player invites his team mates to "double team" his drunk lay.

    In the black community, there's stigma to a woman reporting rape. So when these athletes arrive on campus, many have already spent years in an environment in which nobody reports rape. They may not fully realize the rules are different on campus.

    Here's an article about how lots of NCAA football and basketball players don't have enough to eat. You'd think that if those guys were half as popular as they believe, they could get an upper class college girlfriend to buy them meals, give them money, or at least take them grocery shopping.

    https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/ole-miss-bo-wallace-shabazz-napier-was-right-players-go-hungry-at-night/


    HOOVER, Ala. -- Former UConn guard Shabazz Napier's comments in April about NCAA players going to bed hungry elicited sympathy from some, skepticism from others (quietly, many athletic directors).
    Ole Miss quarterback Bo Wallace says Napier's concerns are real.

    When asked about player rights and what's important to him, Wallace said a $1,000 scholarship check barely gets players through the month. They need more, he says -- and a cost-of-attendance stipend would be a start.
    The NCAA recently passed a rule allowing unlimited meals, something of which Ole Miss AD Ross Bjork, who's proactive for student rights, will certainly exercise.
    "A lot of guys go to bed hungry at night. That's real," Wallace told CBSSports.com from Thursday's SEC Media Days session. "We have our breakfast and lunch. Our cafe is open, so you can go and swipe your card, but dinner you have to pay for it...We need more compensation for that just to be able to survive. If I didn't have my parents I don't know what I would do. A lot of these kids don't have the same things that I have. I know that their struggle is something terrible. The cost of attendance, if they could just give us that, I think everybody would be OK."

    Wallace even wonders how players with minimal resources pay for the suits and ties they must wear to media days. Schools can tap into a special assistance fund for help cover player expenses for special events. "A lot of guys don't have the money to go pay for it," he said.
    Since the NCAA does not allow players to capitalize off endorsements, Wallace would like to see flexibility there. Litigation and threats of unionization have arisen over issues such as these.
    "People might buy that 14 jersey because they want my jersey or something," Wallace said. "If we can have a portion of jersey sales or something like that, it would be great."

     

    Here's an article that shows the "hottest" girlfriends of NCAA football stars.

    https://247sports.com/ContentGallery/The-girlfriends-of-college-football-stars-47048681/1

    About 1/4th of the white girls in the "hottest" slideshow are with black football players. 3/4ths are with fellow whites. This is in a league in which about 70% of top players are black.

    Which isn't to imply there aren't plenty of black college athletes doing well with women of all races. There are, but a lot of people seem to overexaggerate the extent to which it happens. People often conflate the "star" players with all players.
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  81. Sean says:
    @Triumph104

    Colgate has about 4 percent black student enrollment, which means 2 percent black male.
     
    This assumption is inaccurate. The general enrollment at Colgate University is 55% women. Nationally there are about twice as many black women in college as black men. Even a small school like Colgate would have a near-impossible time enrolling an equal number of black women and men. To confirm my suspicions, I looked at the rosters for the football and men's basketball team. As I suspected, both teams are majority white. The football team is 75% white with no more than 20 black players out of a roster of 80. The men's basketball team is 62.5% white with six black players out of a roster of 16.


    It's not worth reading, but in 2013 an SJW wrote a "piece of literary journalism" titled "Sexual Racism" that noted that neither white nor black guys at Colgate University were interested in black women. (LINK)

    Nice link but

    “Sexual Racism,” or the phenomenon where white male students on campus tend not to find black female students sexually attractive.

    It doesn’t say black women are unable to attract black men for “hook-ups” (which I expect means casual sex). Not that it would even if that was the case.

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    I said "interested" as in dating and getting to know someone. I consider casual sex/hooking up to be deviant behavior. I don't have the SJW mindset that people behaving like animals is acceptable.

    I am referring to this comment: "'I'm not offended by male preference. I know a lot of guys here, black guys and white guys, don't like black women and its just their preference. But I think it might be rooted in more than just what they find attractive. I think its ingrained in society,' says Allison."

    There was later a section in the paper about the difficulty black women have finding men to marry. (Although it came to the nutty and wrong conclusion that educated black women don't want to marry black men.)

    Also, I didn't mean that absolutely zero black or white guys were interested in black women at Colgate, but few.
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  82. Quelle Surprise!

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  83. Daniel H says:

    So Emily Ioffe has been woke as Susan Brownmiller was 50 years ago. Surely, through the decades of intellectual and educational development a feminist like Ioffe must have been familiar with Brownmiller (hell, I, a Catholic school boy was familiar with Brownmiller). Whey didn’t she give Brownmiller some credit for her accounts of Black male predation? Well, I guess now she is.

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  84. In the late 80′s, my high school (small, southern town) had a black lady for a guidance counselor.
    Despite all of her 60s-era race pride, she did once let it drop in conversation that, in her memorable phrase, “Having sex to black folks is like sitting down to dinner together is to white folks.”

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  85. Forbes says:
    @syonredux

    But I talk about Colgate University, which was one of the few places you could actually get numbers because there was a race discrimination complaint brought. Colgate has about 4 percent black student enrollment, which means 2 percent black male. That year, 50 percent of the accused were black. And I had another example where the numbers were almost precisely the same at a large state school—about 2 percent black male enrollment, and the semester I was looking at, at least 50 percent of the accused were black.
     
    So, Black men are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of campus sexual assaults....Color me shocked....

    That year, 50 percent of the accused were black.

    Apparently 50% equals two incidents where blacks were accused.

    Far better chance of getting the hysteria train rolling if you claim “50% of the accused were black,” rather than “two of the accused were black” on a campus of 2,800.

    What would you rather have: a mountain, or a molehill?

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    I have neither the time nor the inclination to dig into these data for accuracy.

    But either way, something is amiss, and the SJWs will have to admit one way or the other that their coalition is build in unadulterated bullshit.

    EITHER "rape culture" on campus is real - and one in three of their co-eds has been sexually assaulted, which is going to mean a fair number of black men on campus are rapists.

    OR all the hysteria on campus about sexual assault is BS.

    Which sacred cow is going to be sacrificed?
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  86. @AndrewR
    "Willfully obtuse" was a polite and accurate description of your comment.

    Obviously, some of the rape accusations are due to behavior that the black males knew wasn't right. But there is a large grey area where most of the accusations almost certainly fall into, where a black guy is acting with an upper class white girl in the same way he has acted with dozens of black girls, who have never accused him of rape.

    AnderwR: You’d fit right in with the legal experts in Sweden. In a recent case the young Swedish female victim immediately went to the police, having been terribly beaten including classic defense wounds on the palms and forearms, with fresh DNA evidence implicating the accused African immigrant. The judge warbled to him “I sense that in your heart you really believed that you had consent” and acquitted.

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    Ok, troll. I don't think that someone should be automatically acquitted if they didn't realize they were breaking the law. I do think sexual matters are often very complex. These types of cultural differences are a great argument against multiculturalism and mass immigration.
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  87. @AndrewR
    "Willfully obtuse" was a polite and accurate description of your comment.

    Obviously, some of the rape accusations are due to behavior that the black males knew wasn't right. But there is a large grey area where most of the accusations almost certainly fall into, where a black guy is acting with an upper class white girl in the same way he has acted with dozens of black girls, who have never accused him of rape.

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  88. @Triumph104

    Colgate has about 4 percent black student enrollment, which means 2 percent black male.
     
    This assumption is inaccurate. The general enrollment at Colgate University is 55% women. Nationally there are about twice as many black women in college as black men. Even a small school like Colgate would have a near-impossible time enrolling an equal number of black women and men. To confirm my suspicions, I looked at the rosters for the football and men's basketball team. As I suspected, both teams are majority white. The football team is 75% white with no more than 20 black players out of a roster of 80. The men's basketball team is 62.5% white with six black players out of a roster of 16.


    It's not worth reading, but in 2013 an SJW wrote a "piece of literary journalism" titled "Sexual Racism" that noted that neither white nor black guys at Colgate University were interested in black women. (LINK)

    “It’s not worth reading, but in 2013 an SJW wrote a “piece of literary journalism” titled “Sexual Racism” that noted that neither white nor black guys at Colgate University were interested in black women.”

    OKCupid did a study ~10? years ago that concluded the same about black women. On the other side, Asian men are at the bottom of the totem pole, although they draw reasonable amounts of interest from Asian women.

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  89. Pericles says:
    @Almost Missouri
    Hmm, probably should have been

    .035+.035(1-.035)+.035(1-.035(1-.035))+.035(1-.035(1-.035(1-.035))) = 14%, which is about 1 in 7, which is totally safer than Russian roulette.

    Easier to compute the probability of dude not raping four years in a row, P = (27/28)^4, then take the complement 1-P (which is the probability that he does it one or more times) = 13.54%.

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  90. Forbes says:
    @Arclight
    Credit where credit is due for Ms. Yoffe...she doesn't shy away from the realization that a significant percentage of campus sexual assault accusations are BS, or that blacks seem to be wildly over represented as perpetrators. Those are both tough things for progressives to swallow.

    Many on the left have a 'burn them at the stake' attitude towards people accused of sexual assault, largely based on the idea that most of these men are blond-haired, blue-eyed Brock Turner types. If it were more widely publicized that blacks make up a wildly disproportionate share of the accused in campus rape cases, the left would have to either a) argue for strict punishment that would fall on their favorite victim class, or b) argue for leniency based on the idea that women (another victim class) can't always be believed on this subject when the current default is that all accusers are 100% trustworthy.

    As others have pointed out, I am sure a lot of the black men accused of this are low-IQ athletes, some of whom are legitimately criminal in this respect but a fair number of whom just thought they were getting an easy piece with no strings attached, with the victim being a naive girl who is ashamed at being treated like a prostitute.

    By her track record, Yoffe isn’t interested in getting to the bottom of the story. She’s interested in pounding The Narrative that blacks are treated disproportionately, i.e. with bias amounting to racism by whites, not that blacks are disproportionately misbehaving–and badly so.

    This is just more of the “unequal outcomes and what are we going to do about it” hand-wringing of the progressive left.

    As I commented above, Yoffe wrote that 50% of the accused were black–not that on a campus of 2,800 there were two blacks accused in complaints. She’s attempting to turn a near-zero number into a federal civil rights violation case.

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  91. Glaivester says: • Website

    It seems to me that 2% vs 50% is not the right metric to use – assuming blacks and whites have the same sexual distribution, 4% vs. 50% is a much better metric – the proportion of black males vs. white males – unless you are arguing for sexism as well as racism, and unless there are a significant number of complaints against females.

    Put another way, if you are going to accept that almost all rapes are perpetrated by men, then when comparing tendency to rape by any other quality it makes sense to compare men to men and to leave women out of it.

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  92. Only one answer…more white boys gotta start a-rapin’ so the statistical discrepancy can be erased. Truly afFIRMative ACTION!

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  93. @Skang Qi-Ho
    That’s ridiculous. Almost all rapes are committed by rich white frat boys.

    If you watched “Law and Order: SVU,” you’d know that.

    And usually from protecurion by high office blue blood relations! Dick Wolf Producing.

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  94. @Jason Liu
    Maybe sanctimonious campus feminists are just racists.

    Maybe sanctimonious campus feminists are just racists.

    On the contrary. The epidemic of black-on-white campus rape is a conundrum for the radfems, as most of them are BLM believers as well. Their usual strategy is to ignore all black-on-white crime (especially campus rape) and cling to the preposterous hoaxes (Duke Lacrosse, Mattress Girl) even after they have been exposed.

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  95. Art Deco says:
    @Anon
    You do realize that exaggeration is an accepted rhetorical device on webzine comment threads?

    That excuse might be open to him if he were a more talented wordsmith.

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  96. Art Deco says:
    @JimB
    You are happily ignoring the evidence in the piece that a group that makes up 2-4% of an unnamed large state university also commits 50% of the rapes. And that there is a growing body of evidence that this stat is the norm across all schools.

    You’re looking at tiny samples. Violent crime is almost unknown in Madison County. Maybe 5 robberies a year, 8 homicides in a decade. FWIW, these are accusations not adjudicated by the local courts.

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  97. Art Deco says:
    @It's All Ball Bearings
    The decade statement could be changed to 6-8 yrs of experience. One of my employs was with Starr Commonwealth schools / residential and we had groups of sexual offenders who were aged 10-18. One 14 yr old was banging the mother of one of my former students. This was common behavior. From white boys as well.

    The decade statement could be changed to 6-8 yrs of experience.

    It would still be wrong. Again, sexual initiation about 1 year earlier on average.

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    Not sure where the stats come from, but I don't believe them. It's just not what I've seen.
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  98. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Colgate is enrolled in a league of schools which do not offer athletic scholarships.
     
    Annnnnnnnd................................your wrong:

    http://colgate.imodules.com/s/801/scene_inside_2col.aspx?gid=1&pgid=4131

    The Patriot League did not allow them until 2013.

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    The Patriot League did not allow them until 2013.
     
    Annnnnnd............................you're wrong:

    http://colgate.imodules.com/s/801/scene_inside_2col.aspx?gid=1&pgid=4131


    Does Colgate offer other types of scholarships?

    Ross: Since instituting athletic scholarships back in 2003, a review done by a faculty committee chaired by Professor Doug Johnson in 2009 showed that the overall academic profile of Colgate students increased, and our student-athletes are third in the nation in NCAA graduation rates.
     
    Stick to commenting on things you know something about.

    Like, maybe, the Dewey Decimal system.

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  99. Olorin says:
    @Flip
    I've always thought it would interesting for a sociologist to do a study of a lower class black area and track via DNA which males father the children in the community to see if 20% of the males ("alphas") are actually fathering 80% of the children. I wonder if there is a fair amount of inbreeding in the population.

    I wonder if there is a fair amount of inbreeding in the population.

    Without question. How could it be otherwise in a cultural milieu where “marriage” is nonexistent and hookups are casual?

    One of the whole points of “marriage” is to keep track of who’s mating with whom and how the offspring come out. At least in the inside-the-Hajnal-Line sense of the term. It’s a complex, costly social behavior and can result in all sorts of conflicts and difficulties in the present with the goal of producing better offspring and alliances down the line.

    Which is as we all know wrong and racist for being selective, effective, and grounded in Noticing.

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    I doubt it.
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  100. Olorin says:
    @Jason Liu
    Maybe sanctimonious campus feminists are just racists.

    No, they are fundamentalist orthodox True Believers.

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  101. @Art Deco
    Colgate is enrolled in a league of schools which do not offer athletic scholarships.

    The school has a sports culture (and once had a frat culture) of unusual potency for a school of that type and in that place. New York isn't Alabama or Texas or even Michigan. The athletic department which hoovers up resources and distorts and disfigures the institutional mission of the school is not a thing in New York. The school most in danger of that would be Syracuse, which is a research university with 20,000 students. It's also not a thing with small private colleges which emphasize liberal education to the exclusion of everything else. Colgate is a liberal arts college located in New York, which is to say that the sports culture is in bounds there and not injuring the place appreciably. A critic of the institution once said the sports culture was beneficial to the school because it allowed it to develop a distinct niche among liberal arts colleges.

    New York isn’t Alabama or Texas or even Michigan.

    Funny, but upstate New York borders what used to be– maybe still?– America’s most potent source of football talent, Pennsylvania. (Actually, western Pennsylvania and eastern Ohio together beat just about everybody else.)

    What’s confusing is that Colgate University is in Hamilton, while Hamilton College is in Clinton, and Clinton University is in hiding.

    Colgate was originally called Madison; imagine keeping that straight. And imagine if another college were in the village of Madison, just up the road from Colgate…

    Incidentally, the first football coach at the school was Samuel Colgate Jr, son of the toothpasteur, and the college was renamed for the family during his tenure. Hmmm…

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  102. @Art Deco
    Many black males will have been having sex for nearly a decade by the time they arrive on campus.

    Colgate is a school full of professional-managerial class kids with a leavening of patricians. You'd have a hard time finding anyone there who's the least bit geto. That aside, the notion that it's normal for 9 year old black boys to be banging whomever is a sick-o fantasy.

    That aside, the notion that it’s normal for 9 year old black boys to be banging whomever is a sick-o fantasy.

    Curt Flood said his playmates in Oakland were “diddled by nine and laid by eleven”.

    So he backs up your assertion that this is an exaggeration.

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    It wasn't my assertion. 'anon' said that. I think when the sociologist says the age is 15 and you say the age is 9, 'exaggeration' is a rather anodyne way of putting it.
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  103. @Flip
    I've always thought it would interesting for a sociologist to do a study of a lower class black area and track via DNA which males father the children in the community to see if 20% of the males ("alphas") are actually fathering 80% of the children. I wonder if there is a fair amount of inbreeding in the population.

    According to T.J. Sotomayor there is rampant inbreeding in the ghetto. One buck impregnates a bunch of sows in a year and a bunch of opposite sex half-siblings meet up for the first time at Deh Club twenty or so years later.

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    We see lots of medical evidence for inbreeding among Pakistanis in Northern England. Do we see anything similar in Baltimore? Is America running out of power forwards due to inbreeding?
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    Do you have a link to Sotomayor saying that?
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  104. @Olorin

    I wonder if there is a fair amount of inbreeding in the population.
     
    Without question. How could it be otherwise in a cultural milieu where "marriage" is nonexistent and hookups are casual?

    One of the whole points of "marriage" is to keep track of who's mating with whom and how the offspring come out. At least in the inside-the-Hajnal-Line sense of the term. It's a complex, costly social behavior and can result in all sorts of conflicts and difficulties in the present with the goal of producing better offspring and alliances down the line.

    Which is as we all know wrong and racist for being selective, effective, and grounded in Noticing.

    I doubt it.

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  105. @Bill P
    Black sexual behavior is so fundamentally different from white that I have some sympathy for the black guys being accused here. From a white, heterosexual perspective, black sex is extremely casual. I wouldn't even characterize it as "promiscuous" -- no, casual is much more like it. It just happens - all the time - without any strings (or with very flimsy ones) attached.

    I grew up in a largely black neighborhood. Half of the black kids had no idea who their father was. I've heard black girls walking down the street asking each other if they knew who was the father of the child they were carrying. Just casual like. Just as casually, they'd admit they had no idea. I once was invited to hang out with some African friends when I was overseas, and what to them was just a normal evening with the girls would have been described by whites as an orgy (the girls were not complaining, BTW).

    Prostitution is so common in black communities that nobody makes a serious effort to crack down on it. Teenage girls walk down the street in revealing dresses, middle-aged guys pull up to talk to them, then they get in the car. It's everywhere -- even right in front of churches.

    If UMC whites came across a group of straight whites behaving in what's a normal manner for blacks they'd make a national scandal out of it.

    So they take young black guys out of this culture when they are at their hormonal peak, surround them with fertile young women, make them school heroes if they are athletes, and then expect them to suddenly behave like suburban, UMC white children of college-educated parents. Sure, they give them speeches and warn them about sexual harassment and all that, but that goes right out the window in the heat of the moment when some girl is flirting and then it's right back to what they learned back home: when a girl is acting that way she's down to f***. Probably over 90% of the time they're right. It's probably the mistakes rather than straight up deliberate rapes that get most of them in trouble.

    It may be a pretty dangerous situation for those girls, but also for the boys.

    A black acquaintance gave us this piece of advice about how to get an orgy started at a party: “The moment the girls start kissing you should be pulling your dick out.”

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  106. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    According to T.J. Sotomayor there is rampant inbreeding in the ghetto. One buck impregnates a bunch of sows in a year and a bunch of opposite sex half-siblings meet up for the first time at Deh Club twenty or so years later.

    We see lots of medical evidence for inbreeding among Pakistanis in Northern England. Do we see anything similar in Baltimore? Is America running out of power forwards due to inbreeding?

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    I'm of the mind that Paki inbreeding is more an informed (whole family) consent proposition and most Ghetto inbreeding is just uninformed happenstance. (like a lot of other Black "Things")
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  107. jim jones says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I’ve heard black girls walking down the street asking each other if they knew who was the father of the child they were carrying. Just casual like. Just as casually, they’d admit they had no idea.
     
    I spend quite a bit of time in black communities, and I was at one time married to an African-American woman, but I find this hard to believe. If it is really true that the poster heard this conversation walking down the street, then I think it was just some joshing or irony, perhaps aware that white ears were listening in.

    For a start the woman concerned would have been having to have unprotected sex with more than one man during the middle of the menstrual cycle in question, and while this is not impossible, it is not as common, even in lower-class AA communities, as the poster would like to imply. (Note that some years ago there was considerable doubt about the paternity of upper class English actress Liz Hurley's son, even though she is a highly educated white women who would definitely know how babies are made--she was a former long time girlfriend of Hugh Grant.)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-88920/Liz-told-Bing-pill.html

    Secondly, the percentage of black babies who have "father unknown" on their birth certificate is not nearly as high as the poster would have us believe.

    Of course if the putative father is married to another woman, the mother-to-be would have a number of reasons for being circumspect about the paternity of her baby as many issues might arise or need to be negotiated, for example will Medicaid pay for the delivery, will the future father pay child support, and so on.

    However, as an adult immigrant long ago to the US, I did not grow up in this culture and frankly do not know much about the sexual habits of white, middle class Americans, but I do get the impression that black sexuality is much more casual and direct.

    For example, the idea, which seems to be common with young white Americans that men and women can be friends or buddies who have nonsexual sleepovers with each other, even sharing a bed without sex, would be completely incomprehensible to most African Americans who will assume that if a man "likes" a woman to whom he is not related, that it is in a sexual way.

    Every black girl I see in my town is pushing a buggy around

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  108. @Steve Sailer
    We see lots of medical evidence for inbreeding among Pakistanis in Northern England. Do we see anything similar in Baltimore? Is America running out of power forwards due to inbreeding?

    I’m of the mind that Paki inbreeding is more an informed (whole family) consent proposition and most Ghetto inbreeding is just uninformed happenstance. (like a lot of other Black “Things”)

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    Okay, but where is the medical evidence of inbreeding depression in Baltimore?

    There might be some and I just haven't heard of it.

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  109. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    I'm of the mind that Paki inbreeding is more an informed (whole family) consent proposition and most Ghetto inbreeding is just uninformed happenstance. (like a lot of other Black "Things")

    Okay, but where is the medical evidence of inbreeding depression in Baltimore?

    There might be some and I just haven’t heard of it.

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  110. NOTA says:
    @bomag
    There could be both, you know; both false accusations and actual assaults.

    It's a big world out there. It is not always simple conclusions.

    The likely failure mode for campus rape accusations is sex with morning-after regrets (especially alcohol-related morning-after regrets). You can certainly imagine ways those would be more likely with black guys than white guys, but I have no idea whether that’s really what’s going on.

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  111. @Mr. Anon
    Why are accusations of rape being adjudicated by a university at all? Rape is a crime; women should report it to the police. If they don't feel they can report it to the police, then it was probably just a bad sexual decision, not rape.

    The police in many of those towns help keep the rapists on the field. Jimbo Fisher wields a lot more power in Tallahassee than the cops do. Add to that the fact that arresting a black football player comes with a great deal political flack, and there is your answer. Even those caught on video (Joe Mixon) are above the law. 50 women at Baylor (a “Christian” university lol) complained of being assaulted by 40 different black football players, and Ken Starr ignored all of the reports.

    The answer to this problem is to stop letting our institutes of higher learning serve as a minor league for the NFL. The 20 billion dollar NFL should pay for minor leagues like MLB does.

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  112. @PV van der Byl
    You might be thinking of this 2002 article by Bruce Feldman describing a homeschooled white girl who was admitted to Alabama-Birmingham at age 14:

    http://www.espn.com/magazine/vol5no12uab.html

    Yes, that was also in the anthology that Joe referenced. A perfect case study in what happens when athletes with no academic qualifications at all are allowed on a campus where no rules apply to them.

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  113. Eagle Eye says:
    @JerryC
    Colgate has an undergrad enrollment of about 2,800, so 4% black works out to 112 students, give or take a few. I wonder what percentage of those 112 are varsity athletes. Colgate does have a football team.

    Emily Yoffe’s grasp of statistics is a little shaky, perhaps not helped by a sophisticated “education” in the post-modern, post-factual humanities:

    From the article:

    Colgate has about 4 percent black student enrollment, which means 2 percent black male. That year, 50 percent of the accused were black.
    … at a large state school—about 2 percent black male enrollment, and the semester I was looking at, at least 50 percent of the accused were black.

    4 percent black student enrollment does mean that 2% of all students will be black males (assuming black students are 50/50 male and female).

    However, in the real world, the accused in sexual assault cases are exclusively male. Black male students make up 4% of all male students.

    The result of this error is that Emily Yoffe effectively overstates the ratio of black accused to white accused. According to Yoffe’s figures, 24 times more black males are accused of sexual assault than are white males, not 48 times more.

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  114. @PV van der Byl
    You might be thinking of this 2002 article by Bruce Feldman describing a homeschooled white girl who was admitted to Alabama-Birmingham at age 14:

    http://www.espn.com/magazine/vol5no12uab.html

    PV, that is the article I was referring to. Thank you. Stomach churning.

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  115. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    The Patriot League did not allow them until 2013.

    The Patriot League did not allow them until 2013.

    Annnnnnd……………………….you’re wrong:

    http://colgate.imodules.com/s/801/scene_inside_2col.aspx?gid=1&pgid=4131

    Does Colgate offer other types of scholarships?

    Ross: Since instituting athletic scholarships back in 2003, a review done by a faculty committee chaired by Professor Doug Johnson in 2009 showed that the overall academic profile of Colgate students increased, and our student-athletes are third in the nation in NCAA graduation rates.

    Stick to commenting on things you know something about.

    Like, maybe, the Dewey Decimal system.

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  116. @chasebizzy
    There are 13 year old black boys whose sexual exploits would make a 30 year old Warren Beatty blush. I attended a public junior high school in Indianapolis in 90-92. Bill P speaks the truth. My old junior high school is now safe for AM'S. It's AP or high achieving.We had no AM'S back then . We somehow still had doctors in a world where Emmet Till was dead and no AM's existed. Now we still have a surplus of black criminals but there are at least plenty of Hispanics to buffer the lack of white children.

    I don’t know what an AM is, but back in the 90′s the janitor at my job had a 15 year old son who had just become a father for the 2nd time. Two different teen mothers. I was still very much a virgin at 15.

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  117. @Art Deco
    The decade statement could be changed to 6-8 yrs of experience.

    It would still be wrong. Again, sexual initiation about 1 year earlier on average.

    Not sure where the stats come from, but I don’t believe them. It’s just not what I’ve seen.

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    The link is provided above. If you compiled a full bibliography, you might find other figures among them. I doubt it's going to be all that different. I first saw the contention that sexual initiation differed by about a year in a newspaper article 4 decades ago, so the datum has been kicking around in research literature for a while.
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  118. @PV van der Byl
    You might be thinking of this 2002 article by Bruce Feldman describing a homeschooled white girl who was admitted to Alabama-Birmingham at age 14:

    http://www.espn.com/magazine/vol5no12uab.html

    I read part of the article. The girl had no business being there, and that is her parent’s fault.

    The girl also sounds like a wacko; smart 14 year olds don’t all of a sudden start blowing football players.

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  119. Dan Hayes says:

    Jim Don Bob:

    In contemporary times learning institutions have surrendered in locus parentis.

    It should not be surrendered in this case of a 14 year old girl figuratively thrown into a lions den!

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  120. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Facts and News matter less than the mold and cast that re-shape the material according to iron premises.

    It’s like cookie cutters.

    Whatever kind of cookie dough is available, the cutter shapes it into a particular shape, like a star.

    So, even if there’s a news story about blacks raping, it is molded into black victimhood. Even when blacks victimize others, the narrative demands that it be reshaped into something about black victimhood.

    And this habit of mind has been pressed into our psyche so many times that many people automatically see things this way… even when some black jerk pulled a ‘hate hoax’ and defamed whites. Even that must be re-molded as a story of black victimhood.

    While some academics and journalists are just plain dishonest, like Sabrina Erdely, I think many aren’t fully aware of their mental lapses because, from the time they began to read, their minds were molded to see blacks as noble eternal victims.
    Their thought processes and emotional responses have been cast to TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD and Civil Rights Era mythology where blacks are just noble saints and whites are totally irredeemable ‘racist’ scum. Blacks are so good and whites are(or can be) so totally evil so that whites must make a great effort not to be like those evil ‘racists’. There is zero attempt to understand why whites felt the way they did. There is only totally good blacks on one side and totally evil whites on the other side. So, non-evil whites have no choice but to totally support blacks because there is no grey area. If a white person is not totally supportive of blacks, he must be a ‘racist’ or ‘white supremacist’.

    If Nazis were into skull-measuring, PC is into skull-molding. A kind of mental form of cranial deformation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cranial_deformation

    And American Minds have been molded in such a way that any news about blacks is cookie-cuttered into blacks being innocents. So, Trayvon became a cherubic kid armed with only skittles. So, Michael Brown became a gentle ‘hands up don’t shoot’ giant.
    And if blacks are main rapists in some colleges, the problem is not that blacks commit crime but that people dare to notice such ‘racist’ or ‘hateful’ facts.

    And in France and Canada, they got rid of recording the race of perpetrators since so many are black.

    BLM was the biggest cookie cutter in the last 20 yrs.

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  121. But I talk about Colgate University, which was one of the few places you could actually get numbers because there was a race discrimination complaint brought. Colgate has about 4 percent black student enrollment, which means 2 percent black male. That year, 50 percent of the accused were black. And I had another example where the numbers were almost precisely the same at a large state school—about 2 percent black male enrollment, and the semester I was looking at, at least 50 percent of the accused were black.

    She’s just hell-bent on doubling the extent of the bogus disproportionality.

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  122. guest says:
    @Dan Hayes
    PiltdownMan:

    Some time ago, William Pierce the author of the The Turner Diaries stated his amazement that Wolfe was able to publish what would now be classified as very politically incorrect views.

    Wolfe had a reputation, and not one as a Literal Hitler like Pierce. In addition to be one of the founders of so-called “New Journalism,” he had a long track record of going after weak spots in the ruling liberal order without going too far into wrongthink.

    One could easily learn to hate contemporary Western high culture by reading the Painted Word, From Bauhaus to Our House, Radical Chic, Mau-Mauing the Flackcatchers, Bonfire of the Vanities, and A Man in Full, among other things. None of them came off as being too far beyond the pale or speaking out of school. At least not back then.

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  123. @Arclight
    Credit where credit is due for Ms. Yoffe...she doesn't shy away from the realization that a significant percentage of campus sexual assault accusations are BS, or that blacks seem to be wildly over represented as perpetrators. Those are both tough things for progressives to swallow.

    Many on the left have a 'burn them at the stake' attitude towards people accused of sexual assault, largely based on the idea that most of these men are blond-haired, blue-eyed Brock Turner types. If it were more widely publicized that blacks make up a wildly disproportionate share of the accused in campus rape cases, the left would have to either a) argue for strict punishment that would fall on their favorite victim class, or b) argue for leniency based on the idea that women (another victim class) can't always be believed on this subject when the current default is that all accusers are 100% trustworthy.

    As others have pointed out, I am sure a lot of the black men accused of this are low-IQ athletes, some of whom are legitimately criminal in this respect but a fair number of whom just thought they were getting an easy piece with no strings attached, with the victim being a naive girl who is ashamed at being treated like a prostitute.

    Credit where credit is due for Ms. Yoffe…she doesn’t shy away from the realization that a significant percentage of campus sexual assault accusations are BS, or that blacks seem to be wildly over represented as perpetrators. Those are both tough things for progressives to swallow.

    No credit is due her. She doesn’t “realize” the realizations you ascribe to her. She has merely found another way to portray blacks as victims and whites as oppressors.

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  124. guest says:
    @Mr. Anon
    Why are accusations of rape being adjudicated by a university at all? Rape is a crime; women should report it to the police. If they don't feel they can report it to the police, then it was probably just a bad sexual decision, not rape.

    Shirt answer: because federal regulations say they have to provide a safe environments (Title IX, or whatever). If they don’t have some system in place to investigate and hold their own hearings, they’ll be sued. They’d get bad press, anyway, if they let students under investigation or on trial for rape continue to attend classes and hang around campus.

    Bear in mind, these little kangaroo courts are separate from and parallel to actual legal processes. The girls are encouraged to go to the police if it’s a crime, or at least oughtta be.

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    Bear in mind, these little kangaroo courts are separate from and parallel to actual legal processes.
     
    Every single man caught up in these (as you quite rightly put it) kangaroo courts should sue the university - even bring criminal charges if and when that is possible. These tribunals deprive men of their rights under color of law; they have no actual legal authority to adjudicate criminal matters.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Bear in mind, these little kangaroo courts are separate from and parallel to actual legal processes.
     
    Universities are separate from and parallel to reality itself.

    Just as there is antimatter, there is antimind.
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  125. “Emily Yoffe: No one’s talking about race, but in the cases where the name comes out, you type in the name and it’s a black guy, it’s a black guy, it’s a black guy…”

    Yeah, what is it with all the gang rapes?

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  126. Mr. Anon says:
    @guest
    Shirt answer: because federal regulations say they have to provide a safe environments (Title IX, or whatever). If they don't have some system in place to investigate and hold their own hearings, they'll be sued. They'd get bad press, anyway, if they let students under investigation or on trial for rape continue to attend classes and hang around campus.

    Bear in mind, these little kangaroo courts are separate from and parallel to actual legal processes. The girls are encouraged to go to the police if it's a crime, or at least oughtta be.

    Bear in mind, these little kangaroo courts are separate from and parallel to actual legal processes.

    Every single man caught up in these (as you quite rightly put it) kangaroo courts should sue the university – even bring criminal charges if and when that is possible. These tribunals deprive men of their rights under color of law; they have no actual legal authority to adjudicate criminal matters.

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  127. Campus Rape Accusations Disproportionately Target Black Males

    Perhaps because they are disproportionately hung?

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  128. @guest
    Shirt answer: because federal regulations say they have to provide a safe environments (Title IX, or whatever). If they don't have some system in place to investigate and hold their own hearings, they'll be sued. They'd get bad press, anyway, if they let students under investigation or on trial for rape continue to attend classes and hang around campus.

    Bear in mind, these little kangaroo courts are separate from and parallel to actual legal processes. The girls are encouraged to go to the police if it's a crime, or at least oughtta be.

    Bear in mind, these little kangaroo courts are separate from and parallel to actual legal processes.

    Universities are separate from and parallel to reality itself.

    Just as there is antimatter, there is antimind.

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  129. @Sean
    Nice link but

    “Sexual Racism,” or the phenomenon where white male students on campus tend not to find black female students sexually attractive.
     
    It doesn't say black women are unable to attract black men for "hook-ups" (which I expect means casual sex). Not that it would even if that was the case.

    I said “interested” as in dating and getting to know someone. I consider casual sex/hooking up to be deviant behavior. I don’t have the SJW mindset that people behaving like animals is acceptable.

    I am referring to this comment: “‘I’m not offended by male preference. I know a lot of guys here, black guys and white guys, don’t like black women and its just their preference. But I think it might be rooted in more than just what they find attractive. I think its ingrained in society,’ says Allison.”

    There was later a section in the paper about the difficulty black women have finding men to marry. (Although it came to the nutty and wrong conclusion that educated black women don’t want to marry black men.)

    Also, I didn’t mean that absolutely zero black or white guys were interested in black women at Colgate, but few.

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    There was later a section in the paper about the difficulty black women have finding men to marry.
     
    That's funny, they seem to have no problem on television.
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  130. @PV van der Byl
    You might be thinking of this 2002 article by Bruce Feldman describing a homeschooled white girl who was admitted to Alabama-Birmingham at age 14:

    http://www.espn.com/magazine/vol5no12uab.html

    You would think that given their social status on campus, the football and basketball teams wouldn’t be hanging out with a 14 year-old girl (who apparently looked 14 too). They’d at least have girls their age who they could hang out with and have sex with, eliminating the “need” for a 14 year-old team groupie.

    Contrary to what a lot of the posters here seem to believe, my experience was always that a lot of the college football/basketball athletes weren’t particularly popular with campus girls. However, they (especially the black athletes) had an overwhelming sense of sexual entitlement and felt they deserved to get laid with whoever they chose. They’d often chase women down hard and not take no for an answer. For the most part, they were remarkably persistent.

    That’s not to imply that there weren’t any athletes doing well with girls. There obviously were, especially if they were a “star” player who was on a winning team, but most players (80-90%) labor in obscurity. People don’t really know who you are, for the most part, unless you’re in the top tenth of the team. You also have to remember that a lot of athletes are, no offense, sorta ugly in a caveman type of way. For lots of upper-middle girls who grow up wanting guys that look like preppy Abercrombie&Fitch models, the athletes are often too burly or thuggish looking.

    So, no, it’s not “regret rape.” For the most part, it’s real rape. Guys who think they should get whatever they want because their team is winning a lot. That sense of sexual entitlement has a lot to do with rapes on campus, with the situation being aggravated by alcohol and campus admins that look the other way. Even when an encounter starts off consensual, it often turns non-consensual when a football player invites his team mates to “double team” his drunk lay.

    In the black community, there’s stigma to a woman reporting rape. So when these athletes arrive on campus, many have already spent years in an environment in which nobody reports rape. They may not fully realize the rules are different on campus.

    Here’s an article about how lots of NCAA football and basketball players don’t have enough to eat. You’d think that if those guys were half as popular as they believe, they could get an upper class college girlfriend to buy them meals, give them money, or at least take them grocery shopping.

    https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/ole-miss-bo-wallace-shabazz-napier-was-right-players-go-hungry-at-night/

    HOOVER, Ala. — Former UConn guard Shabazz Napier’s comments in April about NCAA players going to bed hungry elicited sympathy from some, skepticism from others (quietly, many athletic directors).
    Ole Miss quarterback Bo Wallace says Napier’s concerns are real.

    When asked about player rights and what’s important to him, Wallace said a $1,000 scholarship check barely gets players through the month. They need more, he says — and a cost-of-attendance stipend would be a start.
    The NCAA recently passed a rule allowing unlimited meals, something of which Ole Miss AD Ross Bjork, who’s proactive for student rights, will certainly exercise.
    “A lot of guys go to bed hungry at night. That’s real,” Wallace told CBSSports.com from Thursday’s SEC Media Days session. “We have our breakfast and lunch. Our cafe is open, so you can go and swipe your card, but dinner you have to pay for it…We need more compensation for that just to be able to survive. If I didn’t have my parents I don’t know what I would do. A lot of these kids don’t have the same things that I have. I know that their struggle is something terrible. The cost of attendance, if they could just give us that, I think everybody would be OK.”

    Wallace even wonders how players with minimal resources pay for the suits and ties they must wear to media days. Schools can tap into a special assistance fund for help cover player expenses for special events. “A lot of guys don’t have the money to go pay for it,” he said.
    Since the NCAA does not allow players to capitalize off endorsements, Wallace would like to see flexibility there. Litigation and threats of unionization have arisen over issues such as these.
    “People might buy that 14 jersey because they want my jersey or something,” Wallace said. “If we can have a portion of jersey sales or something like that, it would be great.”

    Here’s an article that shows the “hottest” girlfriends of NCAA football stars.

    https://247sports.com/ContentGallery/The-girlfriends-of-college-football-stars-47048681/1

    About 1/4th of the white girls in the “hottest” slideshow are with black football players. 3/4ths are with fellow whites. This is in a league in which about 70% of top players are black.

    Which isn’t to imply there aren’t plenty of black college athletes doing well with women of all races. There are, but a lot of people seem to overexaggerate the extent to which it happens. People often conflate the “star” players with all players.

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  131. BB753 says:
    @Bill P
    Black sexual behavior is so fundamentally different from white that I have some sympathy for the black guys being accused here. From a white, heterosexual perspective, black sex is extremely casual. I wouldn't even characterize it as "promiscuous" -- no, casual is much more like it. It just happens - all the time - without any strings (or with very flimsy ones) attached.

    I grew up in a largely black neighborhood. Half of the black kids had no idea who their father was. I've heard black girls walking down the street asking each other if they knew who was the father of the child they were carrying. Just casual like. Just as casually, they'd admit they had no idea. I once was invited to hang out with some African friends when I was overseas, and what to them was just a normal evening with the girls would have been described by whites as an orgy (the girls were not complaining, BTW).

    Prostitution is so common in black communities that nobody makes a serious effort to crack down on it. Teenage girls walk down the street in revealing dresses, middle-aged guys pull up to talk to them, then they get in the car. It's everywhere -- even right in front of churches.

    If UMC whites came across a group of straight whites behaving in what's a normal manner for blacks they'd make a national scandal out of it.

    So they take young black guys out of this culture when they are at their hormonal peak, surround them with fertile young women, make them school heroes if they are athletes, and then expect them to suddenly behave like suburban, UMC white children of college-educated parents. Sure, they give them speeches and warn them about sexual harassment and all that, but that goes right out the window in the heat of the moment when some girl is flirting and then it's right back to what they learned back home: when a girl is acting that way she's down to f***. Probably over 90% of the time they're right. It's probably the mistakes rather than straight up deliberate rapes that get most of them in trouble.

    It may be a pretty dangerous situation for those girls, but also for the boys.

    Women of prime fertile age have no business at all studying at the university. They should marry young, raise four kids then maybe go to college. And I guess most AA Blacks have no business being there either!

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  132. One final point.

    The reason that athlete rapes are tolerated isn’t because of “white guilt.” If a regular black guy raped a girl on campus, he’d be arrested and expelled quickly. The reason is because winning athletic programs bring in a huge amount of money. So campuses do whatever possible to protect their athletes, both black and white. Lots of football teams also have powerful boosters who use their connections to get easy treatment from police and judges. There’s a staggering amount of corruption that goes on with respect to protecting athletes against facing reprecussions for raping, fighting, plagiarzing, stealing, and engaging in other types of bad behavior.

    If an athletic program expels an athlete, that program will start to lose games and see their revenue fall. Also, boosters will give less. So there’s an incentive to protect athletes.

    The broader society is at fault too. Lots of fans don’t care about bad athlete behavior as long as the team wins. So even if State U’s quarterback cheats on tests and rapes women, he still needs to be able to play Saturday in the Tide-LSU game. For the Tide to lose would be an even bigger tragedy.

    A lot of posters here want to paint this portrait of White-Americans as being this guilt-paralyzed, noble-minded group of individuals. The reality, unfortunately, is that the average White-American isn’t high-minded at all. The average White (especially White male) is an entertainment-obsessed fool who spends too much time watching college/pro football and worrying about who will win the BCS Championship cup. They don’t care about the $5 trillion Iraq War, the outsourcing from NAFTA, or the opioid epidemic. They don’t care about athletes running amok on campus. They care about next Saturday’s college football game.

    There’s a movie called “Big Fan.” Watch this 2-minute trailer. This is the average American man. No joke.

    Towards the end times of the Roman Empire, the population had decayed to the point of being totally obsessed with gladiator fights and chariot races. They didn’t care about corruption among public officials, the mass importation of foreign slave workers, or the massive public debt. They didn’t care about the barbarians gathering at the gates……. because they were too distracted with entertainment.

    Modern day Americans are frivolous people. This has consequences.

    “Roll Tide!”

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    The reality, unfortunately, is that the average White-American isn’t high-minded at all.
     
    This is true. It really is.

    fans don’t care about bad athlete behavior
     
    More than that, I think the fans revel in the criminal behavior of their favorite athletes, get a vicarious thrill out of it, identify with these thugs and even get turned on at the thought of them being able to just grab and fcuk any woman they want, whether she consents or not, resists or not, and nothing at all will happen to them.
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  133. Art Deco says:
    @stillCARealist
    Not sure where the stats come from, but I don't believe them. It's just not what I've seen.

    The link is provided above. If you compiled a full bibliography, you might find other figures among them. I doubt it’s going to be all that different. I first saw the contention that sexual initiation differed by about a year in a newspaper article 4 decades ago, so the datum has been kicking around in research literature for a while.

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  134. Art Deco says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    That aside, the notion that it’s normal for 9 year old black boys to be banging whomever is a sick-o fantasy.
     
    Curt Flood said his playmates in Oakland were "diddled by nine and laid by eleven".

    So he backs up your assertion that this is an exaggeration.

    It wasn’t my assertion. ‘anon’ said that. I think when the sociologist says the age is 15 and you say the age is 9, ‘exaggeration’ is a rather anodyne way of putting it.

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    ... ‘exaggeration’ is a rather anodyne way of putting it.
     
    Deco, my old friend, you are the poster child for anodyne comments. I'm having oral surgery later this month, and may print some of them off to bring with me.
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  135. @Triumph104
    I said "interested" as in dating and getting to know someone. I consider casual sex/hooking up to be deviant behavior. I don't have the SJW mindset that people behaving like animals is acceptable.

    I am referring to this comment: "'I'm not offended by male preference. I know a lot of guys here, black guys and white guys, don't like black women and its just their preference. But I think it might be rooted in more than just what they find attractive. I think its ingrained in society,' says Allison."

    There was later a section in the paper about the difficulty black women have finding men to marry. (Although it came to the nutty and wrong conclusion that educated black women don't want to marry black men.)

    Also, I didn't mean that absolutely zero black or white guys were interested in black women at Colgate, but few.

    There was later a section in the paper about the difficulty black women have finding men to marry.

    That’s funny, they seem to have no problem on television.

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  136. Pat Boyle says:
    @PiltdownMan
    It would be hard for Tom Wolfe to find a publisher for the book today.

    I was reading “A Man in Full” when I was stopped by the cops for having a missing drivers’ license sticker while crossing into Oakland on the Bay Bridge. There were two cops and we waited on the side of the bridge amid all that fast moving traffic while we waited for the tow truck.

    Then I told them the opening plot of ‘A Man in Full’ – the part where this guy in Oakland had his car towed by the police , landed in jail, and precipitated a whole series of disastrous events. I suggested that this was prophetic and the only way to escape all the pending consequences was to let me go with a warning.

    Alas neither cop had heard of or had read any Wolfe. I think they thought I was just making it all up.

    More evidence that the police need more literary education.

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  137. aveojohn says:

    Yea, but they need to learn, when in Rome, do as the Romans do!

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  138. Mark G. says:

    I work with someone who is a former teacher in an Indianapolis inner city high school. He frequently had to break up back kids having sex in the school restroom or on the stairwell, If they are acting like this in school, imagine how they must be acting outside of school.

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  139. Bill B. says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Find a copy of "The Best American Sports Writing 2003" edited by Buzz Bissinger. There is a stomach churning article "Out of Control" from ESPN: The Magazine, about the University of Alabama at Birmingham and their quest to become national football relevant. A 14 year old child prodigy, who helped football players with their school work and was admittedly naïve, was used as a pass a round sex toy by 26 UAB football players, almost all of whom were black. This was 18 years ago in 1999, so the more things change, the more they stay the same.

    Ugly story. What were the college authorities thinking?

    It is up and can be read:

    http://www.espn.com/magazine/vol5no12uab.html

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    What were the players thinking?

    What type of group of grown men hang out with a 14 year-old girl in public? When I was in my early 20s (as the players would'v been), it would've been considered creepy to hang out with a female of that age.

    There's a big difference between 18 and 14. The article mentioned she looked young for her age, so it's not like she looked mature or anything.

    As I mentioned above, there's definitely a culture of sexual entitlement among college football&basketball players. So they believe they deserve to get laid and that women should be falling at their feet. Life doesn't work that way though, so perhaps that's why they had a 14 year-old team groupie.
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  140. @Art Deco
    It wasn't my assertion. 'anon' said that. I think when the sociologist says the age is 15 and you say the age is 9, 'exaggeration' is a rather anodyne way of putting it.

    … ‘exaggeration’ is a rather anodyne way of putting it.

    Deco, my old friend, you are the poster child for anodyne comments. I’m having oral surgery later this month, and may print some of them off to bring with me.

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  141. @Bill B.
    Ugly story. What were the college authorities thinking?

    It is up and can be read:

    http://www.espn.com/magazine/vol5no12uab.html

    What were the players thinking?

    What type of group of grown men hang out with a 14 year-old girl in public? When I was in my early 20s (as the players would’v been), it would’ve been considered creepy to hang out with a female of that age.

    There’s a big difference between 18 and 14. The article mentioned she looked young for her age, so it’s not like she looked mature or anything.

    As I mentioned above, there’s definitely a culture of sexual entitlement among college football&basketball players. So they believe they deserve to get laid and that women should be falling at their feet. Life doesn’t work that way though, so perhaps that’s why they had a 14 year-old team groupie.

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  142. Whoever says: • Website
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    One final point.

    The reason that athlete rapes are tolerated isn't because of "white guilt." If a regular black guy raped a girl on campus, he'd be arrested and expelled quickly. The reason is because winning athletic programs bring in a huge amount of money. So campuses do whatever possible to protect their athletes, both black and white. Lots of football teams also have powerful boosters who use their connections to get easy treatment from police and judges. There's a staggering amount of corruption that goes on with respect to protecting athletes against facing reprecussions for raping, fighting, plagiarzing, stealing, and engaging in other types of bad behavior.

    If an athletic program expels an athlete, that program will start to lose games and see their revenue fall. Also, boosters will give less. So there's an incentive to protect athletes.

    The broader society is at fault too. Lots of fans don't care about bad athlete behavior as long as the team wins. So even if State U's quarterback cheats on tests and rapes women, he still needs to be able to play Saturday in the Tide-LSU game. For the Tide to lose would be an even bigger tragedy.

    A lot of posters here want to paint this portrait of White-Americans as being this guilt-paralyzed, noble-minded group of individuals. The reality, unfortunately, is that the average White-American isn't high-minded at all. The average White (especially White male) is an entertainment-obsessed fool who spends too much time watching college/pro football and worrying about who will win the BCS Championship cup. They don't care about the $5 trillion Iraq War, the outsourcing from NAFTA, or the opioid epidemic. They don't care about athletes running amok on campus. They care about next Saturday's college football game.

    There's a movie called "Big Fan." Watch this 2-minute trailer. This is the average American man. No joke.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzQKeqMogh8

    Towards the end times of the Roman Empire, the population had decayed to the point of being totally obsessed with gladiator fights and chariot races. They didn't care about corruption among public officials, the mass importation of foreign slave workers, or the massive public debt. They didn't care about the barbarians gathering at the gates....... because they were too distracted with entertainment.

    Modern day Americans are frivolous people. This has consequences.

    "Roll Tide!"

    The reality, unfortunately, is that the average White-American isn’t high-minded at all.

    This is true. It really is.

    fans don’t care about bad athlete behavior

    More than that, I think the fans revel in the criminal behavior of their favorite athletes, get a vicarious thrill out of it, identify with these thugs and even get turned on at the thought of them being able to just grab and fcuk any woman they want, whether she consents or not, resists or not, and nothing at all will happen to them.

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  143. Curle says:
    @syonredux

    But I talk about Colgate University, which was one of the few places you could actually get numbers because there was a race discrimination complaint brought. Colgate has about 4 percent black student enrollment, which means 2 percent black male. That year, 50 percent of the accused were black. And I had another example where the numbers were almost precisely the same at a large state school—about 2 percent black male enrollment, and the semester I was looking at, at least 50 percent of the accused were black.
     
    So, Black men are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of campus sexual assaults....Color me shocked....

    But, to repeat the logic espoused by anti-racism entrepreneur Tim Wise referring to black on white and white on black crimes, racists don’t want you to notice that Colgate Blacks and Colgate Whites have the same # of rapes alleged against them (and please don’t notice the population differentials). It is with such thundering logic that Mr Wise received a large payment to speak at my alma mater. A fee that I’m venturing has never been offered to John Derbyshire.

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  144. Curle says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I’ve heard black girls walking down the street asking each other if they knew who was the father of the child they were carrying. Just casual like. Just as casually, they’d admit they had no idea.
     
    I spend quite a bit of time in black communities, and I was at one time married to an African-American woman, but I find this hard to believe. If it is really true that the poster heard this conversation walking down the street, then I think it was just some joshing or irony, perhaps aware that white ears were listening in.

    For a start the woman concerned would have been having to have unprotected sex with more than one man during the middle of the menstrual cycle in question, and while this is not impossible, it is not as common, even in lower-class AA communities, as the poster would like to imply. (Note that some years ago there was considerable doubt about the paternity of upper class English actress Liz Hurley's son, even though she is a highly educated white women who would definitely know how babies are made--she was a former long time girlfriend of Hugh Grant.)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-88920/Liz-told-Bing-pill.html

    Secondly, the percentage of black babies who have "father unknown" on their birth certificate is not nearly as high as the poster would have us believe.

    Of course if the putative father is married to another woman, the mother-to-be would have a number of reasons for being circumspect about the paternity of her baby as many issues might arise or need to be negotiated, for example will Medicaid pay for the delivery, will the future father pay child support, and so on.

    However, as an adult immigrant long ago to the US, I did not grow up in this culture and frankly do not know much about the sexual habits of white, middle class Americans, but I do get the impression that black sexuality is much more casual and direct.

    For example, the idea, which seems to be common with young white Americans that men and women can be friends or buddies who have nonsexual sleepovers with each other, even sharing a bed without sex, would be completely incomprehensible to most African Americans who will assume that if a man "likes" a woman to whom he is not related, that it is in a sexual way.

    I have it on good authority that in the 70s pediatricians working the Cleveland public hospital near the ghetto used pseudonyms to avoid an abundance of newborns with the Drs surname. One reason the G. Washington family ended up with so many similarly named Clevelandites.

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  145. BB753 says:
    @Art Deco
    Many black males will have been having sex for nearly a decade by the time they arrive on campus.

    Colgate is a school full of professional-managerial class kids with a leavening of patricians. You'd have a hard time finding anyone there who's the least bit geto. That aside, the notion that it's normal for 9 year old black boys to be banging whomever is a sick-o fantasy.

    In the ghetto, 11 for girls and 12 for boys sounds about right. It also explains the high rate of STD’s.
    So what percentage of Blacks are raised in ghettos? 50 to 30%? Just curious.

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    In the ghetto, 11 for girls and 12 for boys sounds about right. It also explains the high rate of STD’s.

    Not interested in what your imagination tells you.
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  146. MarcB. says:

    Leftist are far too earnest to realize that the Intersectionality Olympics serve as entertainment for the rest of us.

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  147. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @syonredux
    Well, part of the problem is that unis seem quite willing to pimp White co-eds out to Black athletes....

    Former assistant coach Kendal Briles -- the son of the head coach -- once told a Dallas area student athlete, "Do you like white women? Because we have a lot of them at Baylor and they love football players," according to the suit.
     
    https://archive.is/JkI05#selection-4515.0-4515.232


    Vile stuff.

    Does anybody have a link to the study with campus sexual assualt/rape accusation statistics that Yoffe brought up?

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  148. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jim Bob Lassiter
    According to T.J. Sotomayor there is rampant inbreeding in the ghetto. One buck impregnates a bunch of sows in a year and a bunch of opposite sex half-siblings meet up for the first time at Deh Club twenty or so years later.

    Do you have a link to Sotomayor saying that?

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  149. AndrewR says:
    @Tim Howells
    AnderwR: You'd fit right in with the legal experts in Sweden. In a recent case the young Swedish female victim immediately went to the police, having been terribly beaten including classic defense wounds on the palms and forearms, with fresh DNA evidence implicating the accused African immigrant. The judge warbled to him "I sense that in your heart you really believed that you had consent" and acquitted.

    Ok, troll. I don’t think that someone should be automatically acquitted if they didn’t realize they were breaking the law. I do think sexual matters are often very complex. These types of cultural differences are a great argument against multiculturalism and mass immigration.

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  150. @Art Deco
    Colgate is enrolled in a league of schools which do not offer athletic scholarships.

    The school has a sports culture (and once had a frat culture) of unusual potency for a school of that type and in that place. New York isn't Alabama or Texas or even Michigan. The athletic department which hoovers up resources and distorts and disfigures the institutional mission of the school is not a thing in New York. The school most in danger of that would be Syracuse, which is a research university with 20,000 students. It's also not a thing with small private colleges which emphasize liberal education to the exclusion of everything else. Colgate is a liberal arts college located in New York, which is to say that the sports culture is in bounds there and not injuring the place appreciably. A critic of the institution once said the sports culture was beneficial to the school because it allowed it to develop a distinct niche among liberal arts colleges.

    Colgate’s athletic facilities are very nice. Even the old elements are well kept. During grad school, I’d drive down from Syracuse to use Colgate’s climbing gym.

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  151. dwb says:
    @Forbes

    That year, 50 percent of the accused were black.
     
    Apparently 50% equals two incidents where blacks were accused.

    Far better chance of getting the hysteria train rolling if you claim "50% of the accused were black," rather than "two of the accused were black" on a campus of 2,800.

    What would you rather have: a mountain, or a molehill?

    I have neither the time nor the inclination to dig into these data for accuracy.

    But either way, something is amiss, and the SJWs will have to admit one way or the other that their coalition is build in unadulterated bullshit.

    EITHER “rape culture” on campus is real – and one in three of their co-eds has been sexually assaulted, which is going to mean a fair number of black men on campus are rapists.

    OR all the hysteria on campus about sexual assault is BS.

    Which sacred cow is going to be sacrificed?

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  152. Art Deco says:
    @BB753
    In the ghetto, 11 for girls and 12 for boys sounds about right. It also explains the high rate of STD's.
    So what percentage of Blacks are raised in ghettos? 50 to 30%? Just curious.

    In the ghetto, 11 for girls and 12 for boys sounds about right. It also explains the high rate of STD’s.

    Not interested in what your imagination tells you.

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    Ok, just ask any regular Black, if you know any, and ask him.
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  153. BB753 says:
    @Art Deco
    In the ghetto, 11 for girls and 12 for boys sounds about right. It also explains the high rate of STD’s.

    Not interested in what your imagination tells you.

    Ok, just ask any regular Black, if you know any, and ask him.

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    People who collect social data for a living have already done that. They didn't get the answer you want.
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  154. Art Deco says:
    @BB753
    Ok, just ask any regular Black, if you know any, and ask him.

    People who collect social data for a living have already done that. They didn’t get the answer you want.

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    Do you trust those people? I don't.
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  155. @Jonathan Mason

    I’ve heard black girls walking down the street asking each other if they knew who was the father of the child they were carrying. Just casual like. Just as casually, they’d admit they had no idea.
     
    I spend quite a bit of time in black communities, and I was at one time married to an African-American woman, but I find this hard to believe. If it is really true that the poster heard this conversation walking down the street, then I think it was just some joshing or irony, perhaps aware that white ears were listening in.

    For a start the woman concerned would have been having to have unprotected sex with more than one man during the middle of the menstrual cycle in question, and while this is not impossible, it is not as common, even in lower-class AA communities, as the poster would like to imply. (Note that some years ago there was considerable doubt about the paternity of upper class English actress Liz Hurley's son, even though she is a highly educated white women who would definitely know how babies are made--she was a former long time girlfriend of Hugh Grant.)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-88920/Liz-told-Bing-pill.html

    Secondly, the percentage of black babies who have "father unknown" on their birth certificate is not nearly as high as the poster would have us believe.

    Of course if the putative father is married to another woman, the mother-to-be would have a number of reasons for being circumspect about the paternity of her baby as many issues might arise or need to be negotiated, for example will Medicaid pay for the delivery, will the future father pay child support, and so on.

    However, as an adult immigrant long ago to the US, I did not grow up in this culture and frankly do not know much about the sexual habits of white, middle class Americans, but I do get the impression that black sexuality is much more casual and direct.

    For example, the idea, which seems to be common with young white Americans that men and women can be friends or buddies who have nonsexual sleepovers with each other, even sharing a bed without sex, would be completely incomprehensible to most African Americans who will assume that if a man "likes" a woman to whom he is not related, that it is in a sexual way.

    considerable doubt about the paternity of upper class English actress Liz Hurley’s son, even though she is a highly educated white women

    So Liz Hurley is a common slut, and, an educated common slut, and, an upper class English common slut. What does the fact that Liz Hurley is a common slut have to do with the topic at hand? Is the point just that no one should marry the slut Liz Hurley? Because there is a host of idiots (cucks) ready to do so. And they would all be astonished to discover that the slut Liz Hurley became the adulterous Liz Hurley the instant that the cuck married her.

    So what is your point?

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    What does the fact that Liz Hurley is a common slut have to do with the topic at hand?
     
    I think the point would be that people in fraught relationships with other people will say all kinds of things to third parties in the heat of the moment when things are going wrong, but that it would be pretty unusual for a woman not to know who was the father of her unborn child, given that women know pretty much which are the most fertile days of their cycle. The fact that her baby daddy said that he and she were not in exclusive relationships did not necessarily mean that she was having unprotected sex with more than one man during the same week to the extent that she was guessing who was the putative father.
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  156. BB753 says:
    @Art Deco
    People who collect social data for a living have already done that. They didn't get the answer you want.

    Do you trust those people? I don’t.

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    Yes, I trust people producing demographic statistics more than I trust ass-pulls from alt-right combox denizens.
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  157. Art Deco says:
    @BB753
    Do you trust those people? I don't.

    Yes, I trust people producing demographic statistics more than I trust ass-pulls from alt-right combox denizens.

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  158. @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    considerable doubt about the paternity of upper class English actress Liz Hurley’s son, even though she is a highly educated white women
     
    So Liz Hurley is a common slut, and, an educated common slut, and, an upper class English common slut. What does the fact that Liz Hurley is a common slut have to do with the topic at hand? Is the point just that no one should marry the slut Liz Hurley? Because there is a host of idiots (cucks) ready to do so. And they would all be astonished to discover that the slut Liz Hurley became the adulterous Liz Hurley the instant that the cuck married her.

    So what is your point?

    What does the fact that Liz Hurley is a common slut have to do with the topic at hand?

    I think the point would be that people in fraught relationships with other people will say all kinds of things to third parties in the heat of the moment when things are going wrong, but that it would be pretty unusual for a woman not to know who was the father of her unborn child, given that women know pretty much which are the most fertile days of their cycle. The fact that her baby daddy said that he and she were not in exclusive relationships did not necessarily mean that she was having unprotected sex with more than one man during the same week to the extent that she was guessing who was the putative father.

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  159. Vinteuil says:
    @Neoconned
    Now that Gillibrand or whatever her name is has turned on the Clinton's....and let's not down play this....she is Hillary's successor...is there nothing nothing sacred to the Femquisition Cultural Revolution?

    Ol Randy Bill.....what dumbass didn't know about him? A senile, wheelchair bound Bush Sr who oversaw the Gulf War and the collapse and dissolution of the Soviet empire...kneels prostrate to some sjw jihadi.

    When I do finally get out of nursing school in a few yrs I'll probably have to work for a time at a retirement home. Ask ANY FEMALE NURSE what those old coots do....slap them on the ass.

    Like Bush Sr they're in fucking wheelchairs w a head gone to shit w dementia and probably like Bush a cocktail of painkillers and God himself knows what other pill combinations that could alter mood and behavior in a 30 something like me. Much less a ww2 aged codger pushing 100 w a shit filled depends diaper on and drool oozing down his shirt.

    And yet these bimbos act like Bush is a testosterone pumped Tony soprano type Weinstein in his 30s w a cocaine fueled rape libido because he patted them on the rear in-between losing the contents of his bowels and trying to recall where he left his dentures.

    This is a modern day Cultural Revolution only in many ways it's worse. The end game of that CR was to see Mao swept back into power.

    If the Red Guards attacked or humiliated you....you took your penance, kissed Maos ass and you were rehabilitated.

    This is worse. Look at Ben Affleck.....he's apologized out the yang for not knowing this or not acting on that back in 98 or some such.

    There is no end here. There is no kiss Maos ass and the torture stops.

    There is bimbos, wannabes and nobodies keep screaming and fighting for attention and it never ends. This doesn't just have to be stopped....this has to be neutered to the point it can never happen again...m

    “If the Red Guards attacked or humiliated you….you took your penance, kissed Maos ass and you were rehabilitated.

    “This is worse. Look at Ben Affleck…..he’s apologized out the yang for not knowing this or not acting on that back in 98 or some such.

    “There is no end here. There is no kiss Maos ass and the torture stops.

    “There is bimbos, wannabes and nobodies keep screaming and fighting for attention and it never ends. This doesn’t just have to be stopped….this has to be neutered to the point it can never happen again…”

    So how’s it going at Pizza Hut, my friend?

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