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From The Oklahoman:

OKC school district responds to violent racial protests

by Tim Willert Published: August 15, 2017 11:51 AM

Several Oklahoma City School Board members said Tuesday they favor renaming four schools named after Confederate officers, but raised concerns about the costs associated with doing so.

Four elementary schools — Stand Watie, Lee, Wheeler and Jackson — are named after generals who commanded Confederate troops in the Civil War, according to the district’s website.

“Those four historical figures certainly don’t represent any of the values that we have in our district today, and I understand 100 percent the desire to change them,” board Chair Paula Lewis said.

Uh, Stand Watie? I suspect Ms. Lewis has forgotten her Oklahoma history if she ever knew it.

Stand Watie represents Diversity.

Or does he? Nobody in the press ever says Clarence Thomas represents diversity on the Supreme Court.

“We don’t want any of our actions, whether intentional or unintentional, to allow for anybody to think that we support racism, white supremacy or any maltreatment of a minority, race or culture.”

Superintendent Aurora Lora, responding to the recent violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, acknowledged Tuesday that some facilities named after “historical” figures do not “reflect our values in 2017.”

From Wikipedia:

Stand Watie (Cherokee: ᏕᎦᏔᎦ, translit. Degataga, lit. ‘Stand firm’) (December 12, 1806 – September 9, 1871) — also known as Standhope Uwatie, Tawkertawker, and Isaac S. Watie — was a leader of the Cherokee Nation, and not only a brigadier general of the Confederate States Army during the American Civil War, but the only Native American general of the Confederate Army. He commanded the Confederate Indian cavalry of the Army of the Trans-Mississippi, made up mostly of Cherokee, Muskogee and Seminole, and was the final Confederate general in the field to cease hostilities at war’s end.

He appears to have been about 3/4th Cheroke and 1/4th white.

This will be an interesting test case. Commenter Clyde suggests:

My bottom lining here is that monuments to white people are being desecrated and torn down. That they are Confederate memorials is only 10% of the issue. This is just inchoate rage against “white patriarchy” by the coalition of the fringes.

Try doing this with any memorial to a black or Samoan or (my pet) Aleutian Islanders.

So, the fate of Stand Watie appears to be a good test case of whether the current paroxysm is really anti-Confederate or anti-white.

 
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  1. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This would also be an interesting addition to your growing list of ‘diversity before diversity’. Would be interesting to see the mental gymnastics your typical liberal would have to go through to explain how a native American (holiest of holy before Islamics came along, and still pretty damn high in the stack) could be a general of the CSA (Uppity Southern whites! The only thing worse than white people!).

    • Replies: @Jake
    Blacks were always higher on the Leftist pedestal than Indians. Most f the same WASP s thrilled to murder whites in the name of Abolitionism were OK with US destruction of Plains Indians - because that enriched Yankee WASPs and allowed their beloved pets, the Numinous Negroes, to be Buffalo soldiers slaughtering Indian women, children, and old men.
  2. “Those four historical figures certainly don’t represent any of the values that we have in our district today, and I understand 100 percent the desire to change them,” board Chair Paula Lewis said.

    I’m sure her claim is accurate, but it’s not something that reflects well on her.

    How did someone that stupid end up as board chair? Woe be to the students of that district.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    You generally have to be that stupid to become a superintendent.
  3. “So, the fate of Stand Watie appears to be a good test case of whether the current paroxysm is really anti-Confederate or anti-white.”

    Maybe. But I don’t think American Indians impinge on SJW consciousness as much as Venezeuelans do. So I don’t think it is a test.

    Cherokee People and Billy Jack were a heck of a long time ago. Now it’s lattes as far as the eye can see. A broken down reservation full of drunks just doesn’t interest them much.

  4. “My bottom lining here”

    She is talking about her bird cage droppings or a diaper, take your pick.

  5. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Friday’s second big disappointment for the base dropped tonight: Trump has decided to send more troops to Afghanistan.

    So a-hole McMaster gets what he wanted and the America people get more of the same: A giant stinking bag of dogshit, plus continued record amounts of black tar heroin pouring into our country.

    MAGA!!1!!!1!

    • Replies: @bomag

    A giant stinking bag of...
     
    The drain swirling is strong.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    News reports saying no decision yet. Fingers crossed, but Bannon leaving is a bad sign.
    , @Pat Boyle
    It is easy to subdue Afghanistan but it requires some 'Thinking outside the box".

    Afghanistan is in two versions - the low flat plains which have always been peaceful and easy to conquer, and the high mountainous areas which have defied conquerors for centuries. But today we have several area denial technologies that could make these areas unsuitable for troops.

    The first would be little drone helicopters. These could be configured to shoot to kill anyone over say 5,000 feet.

    But a much cheaper but less politically acceptable solution would be to simple spray the relevant area with anthrax spores. No one would go onto that land for a century or more.

    Why endanger American boys? Just deny the Afghanis a safe harbor after a long day of vigorous terrorism?
  6. I predict you will not like the results of this test.

    Native Americans are pretty low in the SJW worldview, or the progressive stack, or in intersectionality points, or whatever you want to call it, these days. After all they own casinos, live in dusty flyover country, sign up for the US military in disproportionate numbers, and, most importantly, not a single one of them was Muslim.

    So this school will be renamed or whatever.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Plus they are racist as hell. Or in PC Party language, not dependably anti-racist. However, they do like to rumble. Maybe opportunities in Antifa.
    , @anon
    The only thing the SJW crowd uses the Indians for is to say that whites "stole" the land from them. Mediocre actress Tina Fey being the latest example of this inaccurate and meaningless drivel.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Cherokees also owned black slaves.

    BTW, Tulsa is also trying to rename Lee Elementary. That started the Monday after this past weekend.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Maybe they can rename the Stand Watie school after a famous Union general. I nominate Phil Sheridan.
  7. Perhaps they could re-name the school after Ely S Parker:

    Ely Samuel Parker (1828 – August 31, 1895), (born Hasanoanda, later known as Donehogawa) was a Seneca attorney, engineer, and tribal diplomat. He was commissioned a lieutenant colonel during the American Civil War, when he served as adjutant to Lt. Gen. Ulysses S. Grant. He wrote the final draft of the Confederate surrender terms at Appomattox. Later in his career, Parker rose to the rank of brevet brigadier general. President Grant appointed him as Commissioner of Indian Affairs, the first Native American to hold that post.[1]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ely_S._Parker

    • Replies: @Jake
    Parker is an nearly case of how PC works (and worked before we heard of the term PC). When he was part of the Yankee WASP slaughtering of white Southerners, Parker was PC. But when the Yankee WASPs took a break from persecuting white Southerners, Parker as Commissioner of Indian Affairs was a race traitor because he served the cause of The White Man.
  8. The madness grows.

    Panicked New York Set To Remove Subway Tiles That Vaguely Resemble Confederate Flags
    08/18/2017

    The New York City transit authority announced Friday that it will “modify” tiles in one of its subway stations after people complained that they resemble Confederate flags.

    The tiles have existed in the station for nearly 100 years, and the architects may have chosen the design to honor the Southern heritage of a former New York Times head, according to Fox 5 NY. But the subway system claims the tiles pay homage to Times Square’s nickname “Crossroads of the World.”

    “These are not confederate flags, it is a design based on geometric forms that represent the “Crossroads of the World” and to avoid absolutely any confusion we will modify them to make that absolutely crystal clear,” said the subway station to Fox 5 NY.

    To honor the the Southern heritage of a former New York Times head, how “ironic.”

  9. […] Desecrates Cemetery Memorial to Confederate POWs Who Died in Wisconsin Due to Union Neglect & Calls for Removing Native American’s Name from School. Is nothing […]

  10. Perhaps they should rename the schools for Judah Benjamin… “Judah P. Benjamin Elementary” has a nice “diverse” ring to it… ya think?

  11. @biz
    I predict you will not like the results of this test.

    Native Americans are pretty low in the SJW worldview, or the progressive stack, or in intersectionality points, or whatever you want to call it, these days. After all they own casinos, live in dusty flyover country, sign up for the US military in disproportionate numbers, and, most importantly, not a single one of them was Muslim.

    So this school will be renamed or whatever.

    Plus they are racist as hell. Or in PC Party language, not dependably anti-racist. However, they do like to rumble. Maybe opportunities in Antifa.

  12. @Anonymous
    Friday's second big disappointment for the base dropped tonight: Trump has decided to send more troops to Afghanistan.

    So a-hole McMaster gets what he wanted and the America people get more of the same: A giant stinking bag of dogshit, plus continued record amounts of black tar heroin pouring into our country.

    MAGA!!1!!!1!

    A giant stinking bag of…

    The drain swirling is strong.

  13. Not only that, but he led cavalry unit of the “Trans-Mississippi” which would give him tons of Pokemon points today. Too bad trannies are banned in today’s army.

  14. The hypocrisy doesn’t bother them as long as its not pointed out.

    If anyone has ever dealt with SJWs in person, they know what I’m talking about when I say their amygdala triggers. Full blown, flight or fight reaction because their amygdala can’t process.

    “I can’t even” and “Literally shaking” are memes, sure, but they are literal physiological responses.

    • Replies: @AM

    If anyone has ever dealt with SJWs in person, they know what I’m talking about when I say their amygdala triggers. Full blown, flight or fight reaction because their amygdala can’t process.
     
    The Anonymous Conservative is quite helpful in that regard. The only thing I don't find myself agreeing is the idea that liberalism and narcissism are 100% bound together. Unfortunately I know of narcissists who lean traditional and can at least be persuaded to vote to lower their taxes.

    But sane people of all stripes should realize we're getting saturated with narcissists and it explains far left reactions to T. We've been dealing narcissistic lines of argument for decades now, starting in the 1960's. It keeps growing when left unchecked. The lousy to non-existent public rebuttals to gay "marriage" were a part of that. I can come up with several non-religious reasons why it's a really, really, really bad idea. If an anonymous bozo like me can do that, what happened in the "think tanks"?

    The reason why the meltdown is so much worse with Trump is that noone has been even trying to check this reaction in the last decade or so. Trump's blunt analysis of what appears to be the truth is exactly what narcissistic types can't take. They haven't heard it now for decades.

    From personal experience, you can't change an unrepent narcissist, but you can get them to either a)shut up and/or b)avoid you without much hassle on your part once you live through a tantrum or two without giving in. They are generally unhelpful in any future encounters, but at least you'll get some peace on a personal level. Hopefully we'll get some of that too at the macro level. Even toddlers run out of steam and take a nap.

  15. @biz
    I predict you will not like the results of this test.

    Native Americans are pretty low in the SJW worldview, or the progressive stack, or in intersectionality points, or whatever you want to call it, these days. After all they own casinos, live in dusty flyover country, sign up for the US military in disproportionate numbers, and, most importantly, not a single one of them was Muslim.

    So this school will be renamed or whatever.

    The only thing the SJW crowd uses the Indians for is to say that whites “stole” the land from them. Mediocre actress Tina Fey being the latest example of this inaccurate and meaningless drivel.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Based on the left's reaction, I dare to say that Trump cucked even with his "both sides" rhetoric. He should have said "one side had peaceful protesters denied their legal right to protest, the other side had violent communists who wontonly attacked people"
  16. @biz
    I predict you will not like the results of this test.

    Native Americans are pretty low in the SJW worldview, or the progressive stack, or in intersectionality points, or whatever you want to call it, these days. After all they own casinos, live in dusty flyover country, sign up for the US military in disproportionate numbers, and, most importantly, not a single one of them was Muslim.

    So this school will be renamed or whatever.

    Cherokees also owned black slaves.

    BTW, Tulsa is also trying to rename Lee Elementary. That started the Monday after this past weekend.

    • Replies: @cthulhu
    "Cherokees also owned black slaves."

    Yup, they sure did. So where does this leave Fauxahontas? If she holds onto her fib about her ancestry, she is tainted as descended from slave owners. If she recants, she is disgraced as an opportunistic liar.

    Of course, the third option - which is what will really happen - is that she'll get a complete pass because she has expiated her Cherokee Guilt by sticking up for the Little Man and Little Woman (and Little They while she's at it). Sigh...
    , @WJ
    Yes, Cherokees owned black slaves. In 2007 the tribe voted to disenroll the "Freedmen" from the tribe. They just couldn't share any slice of the pie from their horrendous trashy casinos that dot the Oklahoma landscape.
  17. Maybe don’t be racist and you want get poleaxed?

    You started this fight.

    We are going to finish it

    • Replies: @fish

    Shouldn't you be sucking on something?


    - Leonard Pitts
     
  18. @Anonymous
    Friday's second big disappointment for the base dropped tonight: Trump has decided to send more troops to Afghanistan.

    So a-hole McMaster gets what he wanted and the America people get more of the same: A giant stinking bag of dogshit, plus continued record amounts of black tar heroin pouring into our country.

    MAGA!!1!!!1!

    News reports saying no decision yet. Fingers crossed, but Bannon leaving is a bad sign.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  19. @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Cherokees also owned black slaves.

    BTW, Tulsa is also trying to rename Lee Elementary. That started the Monday after this past weekend.

    “Cherokees also owned black slaves.”

    Yup, they sure did. So where does this leave Fauxahontas? If she holds onto her fib about her ancestry, she is tainted as descended from slave owners. If she recants, she is disgraced as an opportunistic liar.

    Of course, the third option – which is what will really happen – is that she’ll get a complete pass because she has expiated her Cherokee Guilt by sticking up for the Little Man and Little Woman (and Little They while she’s at it). Sigh…

  20. @Anonymous
    Friday's second big disappointment for the base dropped tonight: Trump has decided to send more troops to Afghanistan.

    So a-hole McMaster gets what he wanted and the America people get more of the same: A giant stinking bag of dogshit, plus continued record amounts of black tar heroin pouring into our country.

    MAGA!!1!!!1!

    It is easy to subdue Afghanistan but it requires some ‘Thinking outside the box”.

    Afghanistan is in two versions – the low flat plains which have always been peaceful and easy to conquer, and the high mountainous areas which have defied conquerors for centuries. But today we have several area denial technologies that could make these areas unsuitable for troops.

    The first would be little drone helicopters. These could be configured to shoot to kill anyone over say 5,000 feet.

    But a much cheaper but less politically acceptable solution would be to simple spray the relevant area with anthrax spores. No one would go onto that land for a century or more.

    Why endanger American boys? Just deny the Afghanis a safe harbor after a long day of vigorous terrorism?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    To paraphrase Bismarck, "Afghanistan is not worth the healthy bones of a(nother) American soldier."
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Why don't you get yourself on a flight over there, hike out to a few fire-bases, and tell our boys on the ground what they've been doing wrong, Shlomo. The world obviously hasn't seen a strategist of your caliber since the von Moltkes.

    I've got a better idea, though. Rather than commit terrorist war crimes, of the same sort that failed the USSR, why don't we just get the hell out of the hopeless quagmire that GHB's "nation building" idiocy got us into and pour the saved money back into our failing economy?

    That the USA is a cats paw for Israel's policy of destabilizing the Near East and Central Asia does not guarantee that God is on our side. I suspect that the exact contrary is true. A stiff-necked people are likely coming due for the divine come uppance that they so regularly seem to bring down upon themselves . God's aim is seldom accurate. There's usually a lot of collateral damage. Best stand aside before divine admonishment occurs.
  21. > Aleutian Islanders

    those are the folks who (still) club baby seals.

    You think mainland Inuits are heavy drinkers?

    You ain’t seen nothing.

    PS: there’s not all that many left. Unlike the Japanese-Americans, they are too dimwitted to make money off of their great-grandparents having been thrown into internment camps in WWII

    Not by way of starting any quarrels, but the Aleuts fared better in Japanese internment camps than in American ones. In the American ones, it was pretty bad.

    To be fair, if the Aleuts in those camps had access to liquor – they probably never noticed what hit them

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    My uncle spent WWII as a weatherman in the Aleutian Islands. A lot of weather in the Aleutians.
  22. There was that 16 year old Chippewa Indian boy ( Jerry Wiese?) who fancied himself a Nazi and shot up the Red Lake Indian reservation and high school. He also shot to death his grandfather, a Reservation police officer and took his weapons and squad car before he assaulted his school. So does this make him a pioneer in the BLM movement or merely a wanna be white bigot?

  23. Famed Yale Civil War historian gets laugh from his class when he tells story of new (2008) Richmond city culture director who asks if we shouldn’t just tear down Confederate memorials. What will he get with the same story this fall?

    at 43:24

    • Replies: @res
    That video is 43:06 long. If you pause the video and right click on it you can get a link at the current time. I also could not find anything like that in the transcript. Perhaps it was in one of the other 26 lectures in that series?
  24. @Karl
    > Aleutian Islanders


    those are the folks who (still) club baby seals.

    You think mainland Inuits are heavy drinkers?

    You ain't seen nothing.

    PS: there's not all that many left. Unlike the Japanese-Americans, they are too dimwitted to make money off of their great-grandparents having been thrown into internment camps in WWII

    Not by way of starting any quarrels, but the Aleuts fared better in Japanese internment camps than in American ones. In the American ones, it was pretty bad.

    To be fair, if the Aleuts in those camps had access to liquor - they probably never noticed what hit them

    My uncle spent WWII as a weatherman in the Aleutian Islands. A lot of weather in the Aleutians.

  25. @anon
    The only thing the SJW crowd uses the Indians for is to say that whites "stole" the land from them. Mediocre actress Tina Fey being the latest example of this inaccurate and meaningless drivel.

    Based on the left’s reaction, I dare to say that Trump cucked even with his “both sides” rhetoric. He should have said “one side had peaceful protesters denied their legal right to protest, the other side had violent communists who wontonly attacked people”

  26. @Anonymous
    This would also be an interesting addition to your growing list of 'diversity before diversity'. Would be interesting to see the mental gymnastics your typical liberal would have to go through to explain how a native American (holiest of holy before Islamics came along, and still pretty damn high in the stack) could be a general of the CSA (Uppity Southern whites! The only thing worse than white people!).

    Blacks were always higher on the Leftist pedestal than Indians. Most f the same WASP s thrilled to murder whites in the name of Abolitionism were OK with US destruction of Plains Indians – because that enriched Yankee WASPs and allowed their beloved pets, the Numinous Negroes, to be Buffalo soldiers slaughtering Indian women, children, and old men.

  27. @syonredux
    Perhaps they could re-name the school after Ely S Parker:

    Ely Samuel Parker (1828 – August 31, 1895), (born Hasanoanda, later known as Donehogawa) was a Seneca attorney, engineer, and tribal diplomat. He was commissioned a lieutenant colonel during the American Civil War, when he served as adjutant to Lt. Gen. Ulysses S. Grant. He wrote the final draft of the Confederate surrender terms at Appomattox. Later in his career, Parker rose to the rank of brevet brigadier general. President Grant appointed him as Commissioner of Indian Affairs, the first Native American to hold that post.[1]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ely_S._Parker

    Parker is an nearly case of how PC works (and worked before we heard of the term PC). When he was part of the Yankee WASP slaughtering of white Southerners, Parker was PC. But when the Yankee WASPs took a break from persecuting white Southerners, Parker as Commissioner of Indian Affairs was a race traitor because he served the cause of The White Man.

  28. @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Cherokees also owned black slaves.

    BTW, Tulsa is also trying to rename Lee Elementary. That started the Monday after this past weekend.

    Yes, Cherokees owned black slaves. In 2007 the tribe voted to disenroll the “Freedmen” from the tribe. They just couldn’t share any slice of the pie from their horrendous trashy casinos that dot the Oklahoma landscape.

  29. @Pat Boyle
    It is easy to subdue Afghanistan but it requires some 'Thinking outside the box".

    Afghanistan is in two versions - the low flat plains which have always been peaceful and easy to conquer, and the high mountainous areas which have defied conquerors for centuries. But today we have several area denial technologies that could make these areas unsuitable for troops.

    The first would be little drone helicopters. These could be configured to shoot to kill anyone over say 5,000 feet.

    But a much cheaper but less politically acceptable solution would be to simple spray the relevant area with anthrax spores. No one would go onto that land for a century or more.

    Why endanger American boys? Just deny the Afghanis a safe harbor after a long day of vigorous terrorism?

    To paraphrase Bismarck, “Afghanistan is not worth the healthy bones of a(nother) American soldier.”

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    I don't disagree with you or Bismarck. I am not proposing to risk the life of one American soldier - just the opposite. Denying the mountains of Afghanistan to all humans forever costs no lives. Only suicides will go into the 'dead zone' then.
  30. I went to a elementary in Tulsa named after the waties (stand’s father signed the relocaton treaty even tho he wasn’t the elected chief) big rival john ross. They were both slave holders and while Ross was only 1/8 and the waties were mostly full blood their fights over relocation and later in the civil war had a lot more to do with internal tribal issues primarily full bloods vs mixed, with the mostly white man leading the fill blood side. than slavery. But this civil war stuff is only about slavery,right so watie being in grey means bad. Even if in Indian territory it was slaveowners vs slaveowners fighting over internal tribal issues.

  31. ‘The more advanced tribes, all coming from the southern states, we’re slaveholders. Over the years, they had captured hundreds of runaway Negroes and held them in servitude, and for this reason the Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, and Seminole tribal councils “seceded” from the United States and declared for the Confederacy. ‘

    The above is from page 449 of T.R. Fehrenbach’s 1974 book, Comanches The History Of A People.

    An awesome book and a classic on the topic.

  32. @AndrewR
    “Those four historical figures certainly don’t represent any of the values that we have in our district today, and I understand 100 percent the desire to change them,” board Chair Paula Lewis said.

    I'm sure her claim is accurate, but it's not something that reflects well on her.

    How did someone that stupid end up as board chair? Woe be to the students of that district.

    You generally have to be that stupid to become a superintendent.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Bet you Paula Lewis is a POC too.
  33. @TK
    Famed Yale Civil War historian gets laugh from his class when he tells story of new (2008) Richmond city culture director who asks if we shouldn't just tear down Confederate memorials. What will he get with the same story this fall?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJeyeIPNEiU&index=11&list=PL24F7549F2D39E590

    at 43:24

    That video is 43:06 long. If you pause the video and right click on it you can get a link at the current time. I also could not find anything like that in the transcript. Perhaps it was in one of the other 26 lectures in that series?

  34. School board could adopt a new mission statement: “We may be woke AF but we promise your kids will be dumb as rocks when we graduate them but they will stand up for all oppressed people of the world.”

  35. @Pat Boyle
    It is easy to subdue Afghanistan but it requires some 'Thinking outside the box".

    Afghanistan is in two versions - the low flat plains which have always been peaceful and easy to conquer, and the high mountainous areas which have defied conquerors for centuries. But today we have several area denial technologies that could make these areas unsuitable for troops.

    The first would be little drone helicopters. These could be configured to shoot to kill anyone over say 5,000 feet.

    But a much cheaper but less politically acceptable solution would be to simple spray the relevant area with anthrax spores. No one would go onto that land for a century or more.

    Why endanger American boys? Just deny the Afghanis a safe harbor after a long day of vigorous terrorism?

    Why don’t you get yourself on a flight over there, hike out to a few fire-bases, and tell our boys on the ground what they’ve been doing wrong, Shlomo. The world obviously hasn’t seen a strategist of your caliber since the von Moltkes.

    I’ve got a better idea, though. Rather than commit terrorist war crimes, of the same sort that failed the USSR, why don’t we just get the hell out of the hopeless quagmire that GHB’s “nation building” idiocy got us into and pour the saved money back into our failing economy?

    That the USA is a cats paw for Israel’s policy of destabilizing the Near East and Central Asia does not guarantee that God is on our side. I suspect that the exact contrary is true. A stiff-necked people are likely coming due for the divine come uppance that they so regularly seem to bring down upon themselves . God’s aim is seldom accurate. There’s usually a lot of collateral damage. Best stand aside before divine admonishment occurs.

  36. @biz
    I predict you will not like the results of this test.

    Native Americans are pretty low in the SJW worldview, or the progressive stack, or in intersectionality points, or whatever you want to call it, these days. After all they own casinos, live in dusty flyover country, sign up for the US military in disproportionate numbers, and, most importantly, not a single one of them was Muslim.

    So this school will be renamed or whatever.

    Maybe they can rename the Stand Watie school after a famous Union general. I nominate Phil Sheridan.

  37. @Ganderson
    You generally have to be that stupid to become a superintendent.

    Bet you Paula Lewis is a POC too.

  38. Gee, Tribal Americans [aka "Indians"] fought for the Confederacy? Could it possibly be that they thought they just might get a better shake than they did under the government of the United States of America? In the simplest terms, the enemy of THEIR enemy was their natural ally. No different than what FDR did in dealing with the USSR.

  39. BTW, here in MA, on a small island in Boston Harbor, sits a pre-Civil War fortification that was used as a POW camp during the Civil War. Thirteen Confederate soldiers died while held prisoner. There is a monument listing their names that was put up by the Daughters of the Confederacy. It’s really less of a ‘monument’ than it is a grave marker; the actual burial place is unmarked but their bones are probably in the ground somewhere around the fort. SJW’s working for the ‘Commonwealth’ have boxed in the stone plaque so that no one can read the names. They’re discussing whether the marker should be removed entirely from the site. This would be simple grave desecration if carried out, no different from dynamiting the remains of a sunken German U-boat found in US waters, on the grounds that the bones belonged to “NAZI’s!”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks, I'll post this story.
  40. @Jim Don Bob
    To paraphrase Bismarck, "Afghanistan is not worth the healthy bones of a(nother) American soldier."

    I don’t disagree with you or Bismarck. I am not proposing to risk the life of one American soldier – just the opposite. Denying the mountains of Afghanistan to all humans forever costs no lives. Only suicides will go into the ‘dead zone’ then.

  41. @Jack Hanson
    The hypocrisy doesn't bother them as long as its not pointed out.

    If anyone has ever dealt with SJWs in person, they know what I'm talking about when I say their amygdala triggers. Full blown, flight or fight reaction because their amygdala can't process.

    "I can't even" and "Literally shaking" are memes, sure, but they are literal physiological responses.

    If anyone has ever dealt with SJWs in person, they know what I’m talking about when I say their amygdala triggers. Full blown, flight or fight reaction because their amygdala can’t process.

    The Anonymous Conservative is quite helpful in that regard. The only thing I don’t find myself agreeing is the idea that liberalism and narcissism are 100% bound together. Unfortunately I know of narcissists who lean traditional and can at least be persuaded to vote to lower their taxes.

    But sane people of all stripes should realize we’re getting saturated with narcissists and it explains far left reactions to T. We’ve been dealing narcissistic lines of argument for decades now, starting in the 1960′s. It keeps growing when left unchecked. The lousy to non-existent public rebuttals to gay “marriage” were a part of that. I can come up with several non-religious reasons why it’s a really, really, really bad idea. If an anonymous bozo like me can do that, what happened in the “think tanks”?

    The reason why the meltdown is so much worse with Trump is that noone has been even trying to check this reaction in the last decade or so. Trump’s blunt analysis of what appears to be the truth is exactly what narcissistic types can’t take. They haven’t heard it now for decades.

    From personal experience, you can’t change an unrepent narcissist, but you can get them to either a)shut up and/or b)avoid you without much hassle on your part once you live through a tantrum or two without giving in. They are generally unhelpful in any future encounters, but at least you’ll get some peace on a personal level. Hopefully we’ll get some of that too at the macro level. Even toddlers run out of steam and take a nap.

  42. That the Left doesn’t care about American Indians is pretty obvious. Whether it’s the canonization of Junipero Serra by Pope Francis being celebrated as a victory for “native” Hispanics, or assertions that Spanish was the original language of California, or claims that America “stole” the southwest from its rightful owner, Mexico, it seems clear that progressives have no interest in the actual history of the United States. When an Indian reacts to such assertions by saying that they are wrong and ignore the plight of the true original inhabitants, the Left ignores the objection.
    At the time Serra was being promoted for sainthood, all the California Indians objected strenuously. Typical was Deborah Miranda, a member of a Monterey Bay, California, tribe who wrote, Bad Indians, a book in part about her ancestors’ experiences in the Spanish missions that reminds us of the horrors of the mission years 1770 to 1836, when the indigenous population of California dropped from an estimated one million to perhaps 20,000.
    “My objection,” she wrote at the time, “and the objection of many California Indians, is that Serra is being honored for in fact dishonoring many of our California ancestors. The missions ended up killing more than 90 percent of the California Indians present at the time of missionization, creating all kinds of cultural and emotional baggage that we still carry to this day,”
    Nobody cares, especially not lefties. The annihilation of the native inhabitants of California by the Spanish/Mexicans has long been known. Ethnologist John Peabody Harrington was one of the more thorough chroniclers of the murderous brutality of the Spanish-speaking invaders.
    In an example related to the San Gabriel Mission in Los Angeles (where there is a mass grave containing the remains of at least 5,000 Indians), Bernice Eastman Johnston, tells how, when in 1771 friendly local Indians came to help the Spanish erect a ramada, the Mexican soldiers “lassoed and raped” the women, including the chief’s wife. The Indians fought back, and “an unequal battle of arrows against shot ended with the chief’s head adorning a pole on the stockade as a warning to all who would resist the conquerors.” (California’s Gabrielino Indians, p.130.)
    But, hey, Spanish was the original language of California and the entire southwest, and it rightfully belongs to Mexico, so who cares?

  43. @Tiny Duck
    Maybe don't be racist and you want get poleaxed?

    You started this fight.

    We are going to finish it

    Shouldn’t you be sucking on something?

    - Leonard Pitts

  44. Just give every public school a random-generated six-character alphanumeric name and be done with it. Like R45GJN, or 3STW56.

    If it means no more screaming matches over stupid crap, I’d vote Yes in a New York minute.

  45. @VivaLaMigra
    BTW, here in MA, on a small island in Boston Harbor, sits a pre-Civil War fortification that was used as a POW camp during the Civil War. Thirteen Confederate soldiers died while held prisoner. There is a monument listing their names that was put up by the Daughters of the Confederacy. It's really less of a 'monument' than it is a grave marker; the actual burial place is unmarked but their bones are probably in the ground somewhere around the fort. SJW's working for the 'Commonwealth' have boxed in the stone plaque so that no one can read the names. They're discussing whether the marker should be removed entirely from the site. This would be simple grave desecration if carried out, no different from dynamiting the remains of a sunken German U-boat found in US waters, on the grounds that the bones belonged to "NAZI's!"

    Thanks, I’ll post this story.

  46. Ah… Judah P. Benjamin! And just who was he? The first Jew to attain a Cabinet Level position in the New World. Served as Secretary of War and later, Secretary of State in the (GASP!) Confederate States Government.
    At the same time (1862) General Grant issued General Order #11 relieving Union Army Jewish soldiers from duty and sending them home. (Jes cuz they was Jooz, I recon.)
    The Union had the US Colored Troops, Black soldiers with White officers.
    White, Black, Latino, French and Native Americans all fought side by side in the Confederate Service. The ONLY segregated Brigade were the Cherokee Braves, The American Indian Brigade with Brigadier General Stand Watie, and other Native American officers in the Confederate Forces because that’s how THEY wanted it!
    Talk about some inconvenient truths…

  47. Sorry, but Stand Watie has to go. Cherokees were among the Five Civilized Tribes of the Southeast and they were slave owners.

    http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/04/09/5-native-american-communities-who-owned-africans-slaves/

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