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As they like to say in the C-level office suites at E! Entertainment Television headquarters on Wilshire when greenlighting another reality TV project, “This show writes itself!”

And if it doesn’t, you can always look through iSteve comments to find several seasons worth of inevitable conflicts.

For example, commenter TangoMan points out a potential fun plot twist for I Am Cait (debuting on E! on July 26):

Bruce Jenner now qualifies as a male lesbian and so, as we all travel with him on this awe-inspiring journey, we should be prepared as we watch him confront the awful “Cotton Ceiling” which afflicts all male lesbians who are denied access to female lesbians (because they’re transphobic bitches) who hold the retrograde position that a penis is not female sex organ and so don’t want to have sex with male lesbians.

Google the term and you’ll find all sorts of “deep” analysis on this hate-movement within the female lesbian community. For instance, did you know that open-events, like Lesbian book readings are retreating from the public space and become invite-only affairs because male lesbians come to dominate the open-events and hold female lesbians accountable for their transphobic distaste for having sex with male lesbians?

Just when you think reality can’t be that stupid, that’s when someone opens your eyes to the “Cotton Ceiling.”

But, do be aware, as Tango Man adds:

Once you step through the Looking Glass (thanks Google) no amount of bleach on your brain can erase what you’ve just learned.

Still, somebody should ask the President about his views on the Cotton Ceiling.

 
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  1. I was browsing through another site and I found this commercial from the late 80s.

    This is what America used to be like:

    Not like that anymore. In such a short span of time, we’ve gone from that America to Caitlyn Jenner’s America. If you want to understand just what’s been lost, watch the commercial.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    Wow, that commercial is a virtual hatecrime. The cast is 100% white, 100% male, they're doing honest-to-God non-metrosexual work and singing "head for the mountains of busch" 100% sincerely.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    We've lost that in the MSM, but it still exists in the real world outside Malibu and Manhattan. I lived my teen years in a place somewhat like the one in the commercial.

    I go back and visit sometimes. It's still there. It was never as poetically perfect as the commercial; nothing ever is. The cowboys I knew chewed tobacco on the school bus and threatened boys with long hair. The real West has never been as neat and clean as TV -- or quite as friendly.

    Anyway, folks are still there, driving pickup trucks and living honest lives. You don't see them on TV anymore, that's all.

    , @Auntie Analogue
    Are you kidding, JohnnyWalker123?

    How could you miss that commercial's overt, in-your-face Gay Subtext!

    Watch it again: see how the men go through their daytime assortative mating, culminating in the spot's climax at nightfall, with the self-selected trail-buff couple perched together for their date at the campfire, toasting one another with the manly romance of peasant champagne!

    Oh, and did you miss those ass-less leather chaps! Oh, my! Can you say, "Pride Parade!"?

    Yes, the foregoing is a parody of Golden Age movie reviews scribbled at IMDb-dot-com by today's college-edudoctrinated.
    , @Jaakko Raipala
    Well, late 80s America had everyone watching Michael Jackson transforming through surgery. It's not like rich celebrities living in their bubbles haven't been into weird modifications before. (I wonder if MJ would be a transsexual today given that his preferred end form seemed to be very effeminate.)

    It is interesting though how Jackson was controversial and an endless source of material for stand up comedians while Jenner has gone straight to sainthood. Either times have changed or the different reaction comes from social justice logic that MJ was transforming from a victim group to white man while BJ is going from a white man to a victim group.
    , @donut
    I always preferred the valleys of bush .
  2. Why is it called the “cotton ceiling”?

    • Replies: @Jesse
    'Why is it called the “cotton ceiling”?'

    Because it's like the glass ceiling, don'cha know? These men - er, lesbians are being denied the access to women's bodies that they're, like, totally entitled to. Lesbians need to assume the position and stop being such goddamn cock blockers.

    (If you're thinking that this sounds more like "rape culture" than anything men without this delusion have ever come up with, well done. You're completely right.)

    In many ways, this reminds me of lesbians who used to whine about the straight women not falling into bed with them, but with added male body strength and often male genitals added in.

    What we really need to be asking, though, is this: if these "male lesbians" are just so gosh darned feminine, what would be so awful about going to bed with each other? Why do they need the women born women?
    , @TangoMan
    Why is it called the “cotton ceiling”?

    A glass ceiling stops the upward career progression of women. A cotton ceiling is the cotton underwear barrier which blocks male lesbians from reaching their goal.
  3. @JohnnyWalker123
    I was browsing through another site and I found this commercial from the late 80s.

    This is what America used to be like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WSjCj-lElA

    Not like that anymore. In such a short span of time, we've gone from that America to Caitlyn Jenner's America. If you want to understand just what's been lost, watch the commercial.

    Wow, that commercial is a virtual hatecrime. The cast is 100% white, 100% male, they’re doing honest-to-God non-metrosexual work and singing “head for the mountains of busch” 100% sincerely.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    It just shows you how effective propaganda can be. What was normal just 25 years ago would be the target of a 2-minute hate if it was released today. What would've been considered utterly bizarre then is mainstream now. That can't happen spontaneously. There must be powerful people working behind the scenes to orchestrate this cultural conditioning.
  4. @JohnnyWalker123
    I was browsing through another site and I found this commercial from the late 80s.

    This is what America used to be like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WSjCj-lElA

    Not like that anymore. In such a short span of time, we've gone from that America to Caitlyn Jenner's America. If you want to understand just what's been lost, watch the commercial.

    We’ve lost that in the MSM, but it still exists in the real world outside Malibu and Manhattan. I lived my teen years in a place somewhat like the one in the commercial.

    I go back and visit sometimes. It’s still there. It was never as poetically perfect as the commercial; nothing ever is. The cowboys I knew chewed tobacco on the school bus and threatened boys with long hair. The real West has never been as neat and clean as TV — or quite as friendly.

    Anyway, folks are still there, driving pickup trucks and living honest lives. You don’t see them on TV anymore, that’s all.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Sure there are still guys like that (many are aging though) and I don't dispute that things were imperfect back then. I think what's important is that you could put that type of commercial on tv back then and it'd resonate with the mass market. It wasn't just cowboys or ranchers who could relate to it, it was average Joes in the suburbs and people from all walks of life.

    These days that type of commercial could only be viewed in a sarcastic manner by most Americans. That "old" America culturally wasn't that different from the typical cowboy/rancher, so that type of commercial could resonate with them in the 80s. "Modern" America is culturally so far apart from the cowboy that this commercial almost seems like an attempt at humor, which is why commercials like that have become far less frequent.

    If you read through the Youtube comments for the commercial, you'll see that most of the commenters are either confused by the commercial or are mocking it. About 10% of the comments reference "Brokeback Mountain" (ie the movie about the gay cowboys). I'm not surprised, as most of the commenters are younger people who grew up in a different time and can't appreciate the message of the commercial .

    There have been significant cultural changes in this country since the late 80s/early 90s. Those changes have created a mental atmosphere in which all-American masculine white men are targets for ridicule, but Caitlyn Jenner is a perfectly normal woman. We don't live in a mentally healthy country anymore. I think Jenner is a symbol of how American masculinity has been perverted. The commercial is a trip back a time when things were normal.
    , @advancedatheist
    You can still find regular, uncomplicated white people like them in the Ozarks. They just don't have reality TV series like the Duggars.
    , @Mr. Anon
    The real West has never been as neat and clean as TV — or quite as friendly.

    Not being quite friendly is a key requirement for a society to remain as it is.
  5. @Duderino
    Why is it called the "cotton ceiling"?

    ‘Why is it called the “cotton ceiling”?’

    Because it’s like the glass ceiling, don’cha know? These men – er, lesbians are being denied the access to women’s bodies that they’re, like, totally entitled to. Lesbians need to assume the position and stop being such goddamn cock blockers.

    (If you’re thinking that this sounds more like “rape culture” than anything men without this delusion have ever come up with, well done. You’re completely right.)

    In many ways, this reminds me of lesbians who used to whine about the straight women not falling into bed with them, but with added male body strength and often male genitals added in.

    What we really need to be asking, though, is this: if these “male lesbians” are just so gosh darned feminine, what would be so awful about going to bed with each other? Why do they need the women born women?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Judging from the one I’ve known, the several that teamed up with the SPLC to try to destroy me, and others I’ve read about, a sizable proportion of high-achieving M-to-F transexuals are giant pricks.

    For example, here’s psychiatrist Theodore Dalrymple’s review of “Crossing,” the memoir by economist Donald-Deirdre McCloskey:

    http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/crossing-dalrymple-2687
    , @someone
    "What we really need to be asking, though, is this: if these “male lesbians” are just so gosh darned feminine, what would be so awful about going to bed with each other? Why do they need the women born women?"

    Transexuals dating each other is quite common.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    these “male lesbians”
     
    "I can't help it. I'm a lesbian trapped in the body of a man."

    --Al Franken, my US Senator, in some long-forgotten '80s movie

    , @EvolutionistX
    " if these “male lesbians” are just so gosh darned feminine, what would be so awful about going to bed with each other? Why do they need the women born women?"

    Numbers, man, numbers. Trans people are still an extremely tiny % of the population, which makes finding another one to date tricky in a purely practical sense.
  6. @JohnnyWalker123
    I was browsing through another site and I found this commercial from the late 80s.

    This is what America used to be like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WSjCj-lElA

    Not like that anymore. In such a short span of time, we've gone from that America to Caitlyn Jenner's America. If you want to understand just what's been lost, watch the commercial.

    Are you kidding, JohnnyWalker123?

    How could you miss that commercial’s overt, in-your-face Gay Subtext!

    Watch it again: see how the men go through their daytime assortative mating, culminating in the spot’s climax at nightfall, with the self-selected trail-buff couple perched together for their date at the campfire, toasting one another with the manly romance of peasant champagne!

    Oh, and did you miss those ass-less leather chaps! Oh, my! Can you say, “Pride Parade!”?

    Yes, the foregoing is a parody of Golden Age movie reviews scribbled at IMDb-dot-com by today’s college-edudoctrinated.

  7. @JohnnyWalker123
    I was browsing through another site and I found this commercial from the late 80s.

    This is what America used to be like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WSjCj-lElA

    Not like that anymore. In such a short span of time, we've gone from that America to Caitlyn Jenner's America. If you want to understand just what's been lost, watch the commercial.

    Well, late 80s America had everyone watching Michael Jackson transforming through surgery. It’s not like rich celebrities living in their bubbles haven’t been into weird modifications before. (I wonder if MJ would be a transsexual today given that his preferred end form seemed to be very effeminate.)

    It is interesting though how Jackson was controversial and an endless source of material for stand up comedians while Jenner has gone straight to sainthood. Either times have changed or the different reaction comes from social justice logic that MJ was transforming from a victim group to white man while BJ is going from a white man to a victim group.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Jackson always claimed he had vitiligo and that was responsible for the skin color change. I think he admitted to rhinoplasties and other types of cosmetic enhancements though.

    Jackson was always treated as a freak. If he was still alive, I think he'd fit in better with the current atmosphere.
  8. @Duderino
    Why is it called the "cotton ceiling"?

    Why is it called the “cotton ceiling”?

    A glass ceiling stops the upward career progression of women. A cotton ceiling is the cotton underwear barrier which blocks male lesbians from reaching their goal.

    • Replies: @Abe
    I've also heard it explained on here before that "cotton ceiling" refers to the underwear pre-op male lesbians are forced to wear at lesbian sex parties where everyone else is free to go around naked.
  9. @Jesse
    'Why is it called the “cotton ceiling”?'

    Because it's like the glass ceiling, don'cha know? These men - er, lesbians are being denied the access to women's bodies that they're, like, totally entitled to. Lesbians need to assume the position and stop being such goddamn cock blockers.

    (If you're thinking that this sounds more like "rape culture" than anything men without this delusion have ever come up with, well done. You're completely right.)

    In many ways, this reminds me of lesbians who used to whine about the straight women not falling into bed with them, but with added male body strength and often male genitals added in.

    What we really need to be asking, though, is this: if these "male lesbians" are just so gosh darned feminine, what would be so awful about going to bed with each other? Why do they need the women born women?

    Judging from the one I’ve known, the several that teamed up with the SPLC to try to destroy me, and others I’ve read about, a sizable proportion of high-achieving M-to-F transexuals are giant pricks.

    For example, here’s psychiatrist Theodore Dalrymple’s review of “Crossing,” the memoir by economist Donald-Deirdre McCloskey:

    http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/crossing-dalrymple-2687

    • Replies: @Hersh
    I've never spoken one word with a transsexual/transgender/whatever myself but younger people in my family and their friends (i.e. millenials) all have known several of them at school. Every single one of those transsexual/trangsgenders was an antagonistic person who made trouble for other people. Rumors, lies, organizing against one member of a group - really toxic people. And they will make any terrible accusation they feel like making. If it destroys other people, that's not a problem.

    Bruce/Caitlyn is going to be played up (and dressed up) like Glinda the Good Witch, of course, because its all scripted that way. But they are probably really all psychopaths.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    … a sizable proportion of high-achieving M-to-F transexuals are giant pricks.
     
    There are doctors in Trinidad (Colo) who'll gladly remove those pricks.
  10. @Buzz Mohawk
    We've lost that in the MSM, but it still exists in the real world outside Malibu and Manhattan. I lived my teen years in a place somewhat like the one in the commercial.

    I go back and visit sometimes. It's still there. It was never as poetically perfect as the commercial; nothing ever is. The cowboys I knew chewed tobacco on the school bus and threatened boys with long hair. The real West has never been as neat and clean as TV -- or quite as friendly.

    Anyway, folks are still there, driving pickup trucks and living honest lives. You don't see them on TV anymore, that's all.

    Sure there are still guys like that (many are aging though) and I don’t dispute that things were imperfect back then. I think what’s important is that you could put that type of commercial on tv back then and it’d resonate with the mass market. It wasn’t just cowboys or ranchers who could relate to it, it was average Joes in the suburbs and people from all walks of life.

    These days that type of commercial could only be viewed in a sarcastic manner by most Americans. That “old” America culturally wasn’t that different from the typical cowboy/rancher, so that type of commercial could resonate with them in the 80s. “Modern” America is culturally so far apart from the cowboy that this commercial almost seems like an attempt at humor, which is why commercials like that have become far less frequent.

    If you read through the Youtube comments for the commercial, you’ll see that most of the commenters are either confused by the commercial or are mocking it. About 10% of the comments reference “Brokeback Mountain” (ie the movie about the gay cowboys). I’m not surprised, as most of the commenters are younger people who grew up in a different time and can’t appreciate the message of the commercial .

    There have been significant cultural changes in this country since the late 80s/early 90s. Those changes have created a mental atmosphere in which all-American masculine white men are targets for ridicule, but Caitlyn Jenner is a perfectly normal woman. We don’t live in a mentally healthy country anymore. I think Jenner is a symbol of how American masculinity has been perverted. The commercial is a trip back a time when things were normal.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Your point is well-taken.

    I think demographics are exacerbating the changes you describe. We have been facilitating irresponsible reproduction by urban minorities while failing to manage immigration. The fastest-growing segments of our population have little respect for masculine white men and the wide-open paradise we inhabit.

    We are changing our identity from that of pioneers in the country to one of crowds in the city.

    I don't want to lay all the blame there though. We have also been turning our own young people away from our strength. We have failed to teach them what was accomplished here and how good life can be.

    , @Peter Meyer
    Coors has been running ads of this ilk seemingly non-stop for the past several years:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOWms97n42w

    The ad you posted really differs for me in how cheery and optimistic it is which, come to think of it, are traits that are more and more associated with gay men. But the idea of the rugged, hard-working "traditional" man still has enormous appeal, even amongst intellectuals; by the same token, declaring your admiration for "Caitlyn" is just a fashion statement for all but a few true believers, of no deeper significance than some haircut becoming more popular because a character on a TV show has it.

    , @Anonymous
    The thing about this commercial is that back in the day when it was made, that was normal. And everybody knew that. You didn't have to say it. No one watching it would have been second guessing the relationships between the men nor making snarky remarks about the environment in which they were portrayed nor the activities which they did. They were men and the unspoken standard was a heterosexual man and yes, a heterosexual white man. And men did manly activities like being cowboys and there were no underlying messages there. And nobody was reading other meanings into it.

    Nowadays people just don't see the world that way anymore. Enough people have had surprising and often unpleasant experiences with other peoples' sexual secrets laid bare to the world that now no one can ever feel completely sure about anyone else. Any time you meet someone now, one feels a sense of uncertainty. Whether you consciously want to or not, the thoughts do go through your mind: "Is he (she) gay or straight?" "Is he(she) normal or do they have some kind of weird sexual fetish, hang-up, or perversion that they might be hiding and that I need to know about before I decide how I will proceed?" "How do I find out if they are who they say they are?" And sometimes the possibilities can seem so daunting, that one simply prefers to not engage at all for fear of what you might find.

    Back in the eighties you didn't ask these questions when you met someone. Back then you just wondered if he or she was a good or decent person. You wondered what their interests were like and if you had something in common. Now it seems like all of that is irrelevant.

    I agree that the gay/lesbian/transgender worldview is a perversion of masculinity. But it also a perversion of femininity and womanhood. It is an insult to all women everywhere for this guy to dress up in women's clothes and use make-up and say he is now a women. Really? What is he then saying about what it means to be a women? That being a woman is nothing more than clothes or make-up? Really?

    Dang, yeah I'll believe he's a real woman when he starts feeling debilitating cramps every four weeks and then has to go and buy overpriced sanitary pads or tampons and try and figure out if anything will reduce the pain of the cramps other than a heating pad. Yeah I'll believe he's a real woman when he has to start thinking about birth control and worrying about whether or not he might have gotten pregnant or not. Yeah, I'll believe he's a real woman when he starts wondering whether or not to have sex because if he does people will call him a whore but if he doesn't then his partner will say he's frigid or "out-of-touch with her inner goddess and her sexuality"! Yeah, I'll believe he's a woman when he gets pregnant and has to start thinking of how his life is no longer about just himself, but now it's all about being there for someone else--forever. Yeah, I'll believe he's a real woman when he has to put up with a lot of the crap that women put with just for being a woman. Yeah. Sure he's a woman. Right!

    He's just a dude who likes women's clothes and make-up and wants to be able to dress as a woman and still feel like he's normal and there is nothing wrong with that. What he does trivializes women's lives and what being a real woman is. He's got a lot of gall.
  11. @Jaakko Raipala
    Well, late 80s America had everyone watching Michael Jackson transforming through surgery. It's not like rich celebrities living in their bubbles haven't been into weird modifications before. (I wonder if MJ would be a transsexual today given that his preferred end form seemed to be very effeminate.)

    It is interesting though how Jackson was controversial and an endless source of material for stand up comedians while Jenner has gone straight to sainthood. Either times have changed or the different reaction comes from social justice logic that MJ was transforming from a victim group to white man while BJ is going from a white man to a victim group.

    Jackson always claimed he had vitiligo and that was responsible for the skin color change. I think he admitted to rhinoplasties and other types of cosmetic enhancements though.

    Jackson was always treated as a freak. If he was still alive, I think he’d fit in better with the current atmosphere.

    • Replies: @officious intermeddler

    Jackson was always treated as a freak.
     
    Blacks had a somewhat different view of Jackson than whites. A friend of mine was in a black barber shop a few days after Jackson died. One of the guys said that Jackson had been great, even though "he started getting into all that crazy, weird shit at the end." The other men all agreed. It turned out that the crazy, weird shit they were talking about was Jackson's duets with Paul McCartney, Van Halen and other white musicians.
  12. @Wilkey
    Wow, that commercial is a virtual hatecrime. The cast is 100% white, 100% male, they're doing honest-to-God non-metrosexual work and singing "head for the mountains of busch" 100% sincerely.

    It just shows you how effective propaganda can be. What was normal just 25 years ago would be the target of a 2-minute hate if it was released today. What would’ve been considered utterly bizarre then is mainstream now. That can’t happen spontaneously. There must be powerful people working behind the scenes to orchestrate this cultural conditioning.

  13. @Jesse
    'Why is it called the “cotton ceiling”?'

    Because it's like the glass ceiling, don'cha know? These men - er, lesbians are being denied the access to women's bodies that they're, like, totally entitled to. Lesbians need to assume the position and stop being such goddamn cock blockers.

    (If you're thinking that this sounds more like "rape culture" than anything men without this delusion have ever come up with, well done. You're completely right.)

    In many ways, this reminds me of lesbians who used to whine about the straight women not falling into bed with them, but with added male body strength and often male genitals added in.

    What we really need to be asking, though, is this: if these "male lesbians" are just so gosh darned feminine, what would be so awful about going to bed with each other? Why do they need the women born women?

    “What we really need to be asking, though, is this: if these “male lesbians” are just so gosh darned feminine, what would be so awful about going to bed with each other? Why do they need the women born women?”

    Transexuals dating each other is quite common.

  14. I think I understand why Paglia is called a conservative. Ick

  15. Until Bruce lops off his nads I’m calling shenanigans.

  16. @JohnnyWalker123
    I was browsing through another site and I found this commercial from the late 80s.

    This is what America used to be like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WSjCj-lElA

    Not like that anymore. In such a short span of time, we've gone from that America to Caitlyn Jenner's America. If you want to understand just what's been lost, watch the commercial.

    I always preferred the valleys of bush .

  17. @JohnnyWalker123
    Sure there are still guys like that (many are aging though) and I don't dispute that things were imperfect back then. I think what's important is that you could put that type of commercial on tv back then and it'd resonate with the mass market. It wasn't just cowboys or ranchers who could relate to it, it was average Joes in the suburbs and people from all walks of life.

    These days that type of commercial could only be viewed in a sarcastic manner by most Americans. That "old" America culturally wasn't that different from the typical cowboy/rancher, so that type of commercial could resonate with them in the 80s. "Modern" America is culturally so far apart from the cowboy that this commercial almost seems like an attempt at humor, which is why commercials like that have become far less frequent.

    If you read through the Youtube comments for the commercial, you'll see that most of the commenters are either confused by the commercial or are mocking it. About 10% of the comments reference "Brokeback Mountain" (ie the movie about the gay cowboys). I'm not surprised, as most of the commenters are younger people who grew up in a different time and can't appreciate the message of the commercial .

    There have been significant cultural changes in this country since the late 80s/early 90s. Those changes have created a mental atmosphere in which all-American masculine white men are targets for ridicule, but Caitlyn Jenner is a perfectly normal woman. We don't live in a mentally healthy country anymore. I think Jenner is a symbol of how American masculinity has been perverted. The commercial is a trip back a time when things were normal.

    Your point is well-taken.

    I think demographics are exacerbating the changes you describe. We have been facilitating irresponsible reproduction by urban minorities while failing to manage immigration. The fastest-growing segments of our population have little respect for masculine white men and the wide-open paradise we inhabit.

    We are changing our identity from that of pioneers in the country to one of crowds in the city.

    I don’t want to lay all the blame there though. We have also been turning our own young people away from our strength. We have failed to teach them what was accomplished here and how good life can be.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    True. Even though far fewer non-whites than whites take WWG/T seriously, the fragmentation of society caused by immigration makes it easier for this degeneracy to thrive.
  18. For instance, did you know that open-events, like Lesbian book readings are retreating from the public space and become invite-only affairs because male lesbians come to dominate the open-events and hold female lesbians accountable for their transphobic distaste for having sex with male lesbians?

    Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch. If there’s anything good to come out of this transtastic trend, it’s the payback lesbians have deserved for years for what they’ve done to men in academia, the family and the courts.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    I see it now.

    Transsexuals comprise a Trojan horse!

    That which, through logical phallacy, may look like a gift to anti-men is actually a weapon that unloads on the enemy.
  19. @Bill P

    For instance, did you know that open-events, like Lesbian book readings are retreating from the public space and become invite-only affairs because male lesbians come to dominate the open-events and hold female lesbians accountable for their transphobic distaste for having sex with male lesbians?
     
    Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch. If there's anything good to come out of this transtastic trend, it's the payback lesbians have deserved for years for what they've done to men in academia, the family and the courts.

    I see it now.

    Transsexuals comprise a Trojan horse!

    That which, through logical phallacy, may look like a gift to anti-men is actually a weapon that unloads on the enemy.

  20. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t think all this Jenner-Kardashian wall-to-wall coverage is due to any great grass-roots demand. It’s something being force-fed to the public and like all propaganda campaigns a large part of the audience responds by accepting it because they’re conformists. Why it’s been decided that this is a good thing to promote is not clear to me. Who benefits? I’d say it’s a top-down handoff. Are the K sisters all so lovable that the tabloid reading public can’t get enough of them after all these years? Jenner is weird and ugly, who really wants to look at his mug all the time?

  21. Note all celebrities endorsed it, this one had a wash-up career thanks to be in the 3 ill-fated Fairly Oddparents live-action movies. Drake Bell is under fire http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/06/02/drake-bell-under-fire-for-saying-hell-still-call-caitlyn-jenner-bruce/

    And did Monty Python predicted Bruce Jenner? http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/06/03/watch-did-monty-python-predict-bruce-jenners-future/

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    Yes, such as the Monty Python sketch will eventually have to be dealt with. Some high tech and very innovative solutions should be forthcoming to broaden the old Soviet trick of airbrushing the ideological casualties out of photographs to include film and the Internet.

    It's remarkable how much classic comedy of the sometimes very near past simply could not be made today. "That's a man, baby!" Are you kidding me? Mr Myers, GLAAD is on the phone again...
    What is impermissible in comedy is growing proportionally along with the power and number of the Offended.
    One realizes that art isn't really possible without a specific point of view originating in one's ethnic, geographic, national and linguistic identity--the very definition today of a bigot.
    Diversity isn't "vibrant" because there are too many people now to offend.

  22. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Batte for Blair Mountain"] says:

    The simplest explanation…and the only one that makes any sense…for understanding the repellant force that has been driving all this over-the-top social and cultural filth is this:The Cold War. We had to show that we were morally superior to the Russkies by embracing diversty and promoting it. And this started with the integration of the US Military. And there is a direct line from this to the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act and the installation of the Kenyan Dear Leader as POTUS in 2008 and 2012.

    Obama’s Father was let into the US through a scholarship program that came out of the Cold War.

    The passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act allowed the Democratic Party to import its voting block. Without this imported nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc, The Kenyan Dear Leader never would have been elected POTUS…ditto for serial rapist Bill Clinton…Hillary will be installed as POTUS on Nov 3 2016 by this imported nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc.

    And, what was the Cold War really about? Answer: Mega-White Male CEO Mega-Greed infused with demigod aspirations.

    There is a direct line from Mega -CEO White Male Mega Greed to Homo Boy Scout Troop Leaders, the persecution of White Christian Bakers….and…WWG and WWT in 2015.

  23. Are there any female to male transsexuals? Are they just called lesbians?

    • Replies: @EvolutionistX
    I know two; both are attracted to men. One of the clearly has some sort of hormonal disorder leading to excess androgen production, though.
    , @HandsomeWhiteDevil
    "Are there any female to male transsexuals? Are they just called lesbians?"

    Google "Ron Beastly" or "Buck Angel"

    Trigger warning: These are real "transmen".

    You have been warned...
    , @Ola

    Are there any female to male transsexuals? Are they just called lesbians?
     
    When I recently went back to university at the age of 42 I came to know one female to male transsexual pretty well (also in my class - one flamboyantly feminine gay guy who constantly posts trans related stuff on facebook).

    The transsexual guy (I think of him as a guy as there was nothing feminine, except his very short stature and soft features, about him) was into military stuff, hockey, fire fighting etc. He was also very much attracted to older males - I was more or less constantly sexually harassed by him. He had a serious crush which of course was a pain, but I couldn't help liking him. He was one hell of an upstanding guy, hardworking, very smart, knowledgeable and had interesting opinions on just about everything.

  24. @Steve Sailer
    Judging from the one I’ve known, the several that teamed up with the SPLC to try to destroy me, and others I’ve read about, a sizable proportion of high-achieving M-to-F transexuals are giant pricks.

    For example, here’s psychiatrist Theodore Dalrymple’s review of “Crossing,” the memoir by economist Donald-Deirdre McCloskey:

    http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/crossing-dalrymple-2687

    I’ve never spoken one word with a transsexual/transgender/whatever myself but younger people in my family and their friends (i.e. millenials) all have known several of them at school. Every single one of those transsexual/trangsgenders was an antagonistic person who made trouble for other people. Rumors, lies, organizing against one member of a group – really toxic people. And they will make any terrible accusation they feel like making. If it destroys other people, that’s not a problem.

    Bruce/Caitlyn is going to be played up (and dressed up) like Glinda the Good Witch, of course, because its all scripted that way. But they are probably really all psychopaths.

  25. I think I’m going to get a suntan and claim to have changed my race. After all, isn’t race just a social construct? Don’t tell me I can’t change it, you intolerant cisracephobe!

    • Replies: @New Mexican Reader
    Hey, why not get a tan and change your race at the same time. Stuff like that goes on all the time here in New Mexico. Example: it is quite common for a white woman to marry a Hispanic guy. The white woman changes her last name to the Hispanic guy's last name and voila, she's now Hispanic too and eligible to apply for all the affirmative action bennies available. On the other hand, sometimes you see Hispanic women who marry Anglo, white guys and they change their last names to the Anglo guy's name. And again, incredibly you see a change in race and ethnicity created by a change in last name. I have seen this BS happen on more than one occasion. It's just another argument for elimination of preferences based on "race" or "ethnicity". So, hey, if women here can change their race by changing their last name, why can't you change yours by getting a tan.
  26. World War L versus World War T, another fault line that’s going to break out on that side of the aisle once Obama’s sun has set.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …once Obama’s sun has set.
     
    Don't let your son go down on me…

    --Mrs David Furniture, way back when
    , @Lurker
    Another possible battle - between drag queens and trannies. The drag queen has been a long accepted cultural niche in the UK, what happens if trannies decide that drag queens (mostly gays) are mocking the concept of gentlemen pretending to be ladies?
  27. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    Oh come on..let my comment go through. What, are you pissed because I attack Ann Coulter in the other blogs on Unz Review.

    It’s the Cold War, and NS-68..it explains everything…the former Reagan Yuts should have seen the social and cultural filth coming years ago…..

  28. Okay, we are seriously not a serious country.

  29. @TangoMan
    Why is it called the “cotton ceiling”?

    A glass ceiling stops the upward career progression of women. A cotton ceiling is the cotton underwear barrier which blocks male lesbians from reaching their goal.

    I’ve also heard it explained on here before that “cotton ceiling” refers to the underwear pre-op male lesbians are forced to wear at lesbian sex parties where everyone else is free to go around naked.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "I’ve also heard it explained on here before that 'cotton ceiling' refers to the underwear pre-op male lesbians are forced to wear at lesbian sex parties where everyone else is free to go around naked."

    Yeah, well, someone was pulling your leg.
  30. Ride that cotton pony….boy!

  31. @Steve Sailer
    Judging from the one I’ve known, the several that teamed up with the SPLC to try to destroy me, and others I’ve read about, a sizable proportion of high-achieving M-to-F transexuals are giant pricks.

    For example, here’s psychiatrist Theodore Dalrymple’s review of “Crossing,” the memoir by economist Donald-Deirdre McCloskey:

    http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/crossing-dalrymple-2687

    … a sizable proportion of high-achieving M-to-F transexuals are giant pricks.

    There are doctors in Trinidad (Colo) who’ll gladly remove those pricks.

  32. @countenance
    World War L versus World War T, another fault line that's going to break out on that side of the aisle once Obama's sun has set.

    …once Obama’s sun has set.

    Don’t let your son go down on me…

    Mrs David Furniture, way back when

  33. @Jesse
    'Why is it called the “cotton ceiling”?'

    Because it's like the glass ceiling, don'cha know? These men - er, lesbians are being denied the access to women's bodies that they're, like, totally entitled to. Lesbians need to assume the position and stop being such goddamn cock blockers.

    (If you're thinking that this sounds more like "rape culture" than anything men without this delusion have ever come up with, well done. You're completely right.)

    In many ways, this reminds me of lesbians who used to whine about the straight women not falling into bed with them, but with added male body strength and often male genitals added in.

    What we really need to be asking, though, is this: if these "male lesbians" are just so gosh darned feminine, what would be so awful about going to bed with each other? Why do they need the women born women?

    these “male lesbians”

    “I can’t help it. I’m a lesbian trapped in the body of a man.”

    –Al Franken, my US Senator, in some long-forgotten ’80s movie

  34. Still, somebody should ask the President about his views on the Cotton Ceiling.

    “Cotton” is a loaded word to many of his voters. Also, he’s a black man whose American ancestors held, not felt, the whip.

    E! is right to call him a “celeb”, though. Finally, truth in journalism!

  35. @JohnnyWalker123
    Jackson always claimed he had vitiligo and that was responsible for the skin color change. I think he admitted to rhinoplasties and other types of cosmetic enhancements though.

    Jackson was always treated as a freak. If he was still alive, I think he'd fit in better with the current atmosphere.

    Jackson was always treated as a freak.

    Blacks had a somewhat different view of Jackson than whites. A friend of mine was in a black barber shop a few days after Jackson died. One of the guys said that Jackson had been great, even though “he started getting into all that crazy, weird shit at the end.” The other men all agreed. It turned out that the crazy, weird shit they were talking about was Jackson’s duets with Paul McCartney, Van Halen and other white musicians.

  36. advancedatheist [AKA "RedneckCryonicist"] says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    We've lost that in the MSM, but it still exists in the real world outside Malibu and Manhattan. I lived my teen years in a place somewhat like the one in the commercial.

    I go back and visit sometimes. It's still there. It was never as poetically perfect as the commercial; nothing ever is. The cowboys I knew chewed tobacco on the school bus and threatened boys with long hair. The real West has never been as neat and clean as TV -- or quite as friendly.

    Anyway, folks are still there, driving pickup trucks and living honest lives. You don't see them on TV anymore, that's all.

    You can still find regular, uncomplicated white people like them in the Ozarks. They just don’t have reality TV series like the Duggars.

  37. @countenance
    World War L versus World War T, another fault line that's going to break out on that side of the aisle once Obama's sun has set.

    Another possible battle – between drag queens and trannies. The drag queen has been a long accepted cultural niche in the UK, what happens if trannies decide that drag queens (mostly gays) are mocking the concept of gentlemen pretending to be ladies?

  38. @Abe
    I've also heard it explained on here before that "cotton ceiling" refers to the underwear pre-op male lesbians are forced to wear at lesbian sex parties where everyone else is free to go around naked.

    “I’ve also heard it explained on here before that ‘cotton ceiling’ refers to the underwear pre-op male lesbians are forced to wear at lesbian sex parties where everyone else is free to go around naked.”

    Yeah, well, someone was pulling your leg.

  39. “…a sizable proportion of high-achieving M-to-F transexuals are giant pricks.”

  40. The Kardashians really are that popular. Most of the gossip mags sold in the checkout counters at the supermarket sell about 80% or so (working from memory so I could be off) of copies at retail, versus subscription. They all know what moves copies, and what does not sell. So you see the Kardashians, Princess Kate, a few other celebs like Jennifer Aniston, Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie.

    They are all soap opera characters. The Kardashians modern day Cinderellas marrying/dating/making sex tapes with not princes but guys who know Prince; rappers, athletes, etc. all Black. Like it or not this appeals to a non-trivial section of White women. Princess Kate is a real princess married to a real Prince so she’s popular, the upscale version of the Kardashians. Jennifer Aniston, Brad Pitt, and Angelina Jolie are the eternal soap opera triangle: the good girl, the bad boy Alpha and the bad girl who stole him.

    And like it or not, much of the ad supported culture depends on making the White women and girls who love these characters happy enough so they’ll continue to buy products associate with them.

    The Kardashians have a clothing line with Sears, however, not designers like Dolce and Gabbana or Michael Kors. So they are downscale.

    The problem is that the downscale White women are in agreement with the various feminists etc. who love the ickiness of Bruce Jenner’s freak show. Its a giant freakshow for women, who are just as capable of being debauched and degenerate (just in different ways) as men.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Jennifer Aniston, Brad Pitt, and Angelina Jolie are the eternal soap opera triangle: the good girl, the bad boy Alpha and the bad girl who stole him."

    Is it just me, or has that whole Aniston-Pitt-Jolie drama been going on for twenty years now?
  41. Might it be that Bruce is just unfixable low-brow old-school crazy?

    Isn’t the unintended comedy here found in trying to politically contextualize a hoarder, a cat lady, or Blanche DuBois? Trying to lend artificial dignity to crazy dumb white trash?

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    On the other hand, he may be the opposite - a smart operator who knows the best way to rake in millions by exploiting a combination of the public's appetite for the freakish and WWT warriors' need for a hero. Remember, there's no reason to believe he's had any irreversible sexual alteration carried out. For all we know, he may be laughing his head off in private at the trick he's pulled.
  42. Peter Meyer [AKA "Peter Fagan"] says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Sure there are still guys like that (many are aging though) and I don't dispute that things were imperfect back then. I think what's important is that you could put that type of commercial on tv back then and it'd resonate with the mass market. It wasn't just cowboys or ranchers who could relate to it, it was average Joes in the suburbs and people from all walks of life.

    These days that type of commercial could only be viewed in a sarcastic manner by most Americans. That "old" America culturally wasn't that different from the typical cowboy/rancher, so that type of commercial could resonate with them in the 80s. "Modern" America is culturally so far apart from the cowboy that this commercial almost seems like an attempt at humor, which is why commercials like that have become far less frequent.

    If you read through the Youtube comments for the commercial, you'll see that most of the commenters are either confused by the commercial or are mocking it. About 10% of the comments reference "Brokeback Mountain" (ie the movie about the gay cowboys). I'm not surprised, as most of the commenters are younger people who grew up in a different time and can't appreciate the message of the commercial .

    There have been significant cultural changes in this country since the late 80s/early 90s. Those changes have created a mental atmosphere in which all-American masculine white men are targets for ridicule, but Caitlyn Jenner is a perfectly normal woman. We don't live in a mentally healthy country anymore. I think Jenner is a symbol of how American masculinity has been perverted. The commercial is a trip back a time when things were normal.

    Coors has been running ads of this ilk seemingly non-stop for the past several years:

    The ad you posted really differs for me in how cheery and optimistic it is which, come to think of it, are traits that are more and more associated with gay men. But the idea of the rugged, hard-working “traditional” man still has enormous appeal, even amongst intellectuals; by the same token, declaring your admiration for “Caitlyn” is just a fashion statement for all but a few true believers, of no deeper significance than some haircut becoming more popular because a character on a TV show has it.

  43. @Buzz Mohawk
    Your point is well-taken.

    I think demographics are exacerbating the changes you describe. We have been facilitating irresponsible reproduction by urban minorities while failing to manage immigration. The fastest-growing segments of our population have little respect for masculine white men and the wide-open paradise we inhabit.

    We are changing our identity from that of pioneers in the country to one of crowds in the city.

    I don't want to lay all the blame there though. We have also been turning our own young people away from our strength. We have failed to teach them what was accomplished here and how good life can be.

    True. Even though far fewer non-whites than whites take WWG/T seriously, the fragmentation of society caused by immigration makes it easier for this degeneracy to thrive.

  44. I wonder if the day will ever come when we see the first clearly stale-pale-male business owner apply for special status on the basis of the “fact” that race and gender are social constructs. “I’m black because I say so. Also, I identify as a woman.”

    Make the government fight back by defining what is, and is not, a minority or a woman. It puts them on both sides of the issue. Oh, that’d be fun to watch!

    A court win on that would open the floodgates of a backlash where every business is suddenly a woman-owned, minority-run business.

  45. @Jesse
    'Why is it called the “cotton ceiling”?'

    Because it's like the glass ceiling, don'cha know? These men - er, lesbians are being denied the access to women's bodies that they're, like, totally entitled to. Lesbians need to assume the position and stop being such goddamn cock blockers.

    (If you're thinking that this sounds more like "rape culture" than anything men without this delusion have ever come up with, well done. You're completely right.)

    In many ways, this reminds me of lesbians who used to whine about the straight women not falling into bed with them, but with added male body strength and often male genitals added in.

    What we really need to be asking, though, is this: if these "male lesbians" are just so gosh darned feminine, what would be so awful about going to bed with each other? Why do they need the women born women?

    ” if these “male lesbians” are just so gosh darned feminine, what would be so awful about going to bed with each other? Why do they need the women born women?”

    Numbers, man, numbers. Trans people are still an extremely tiny % of the population, which makes finding another one to date tricky in a purely practical sense.

  46. @Whiskey
    The Kardashians really are that popular. Most of the gossip mags sold in the checkout counters at the supermarket sell about 80% or so (working from memory so I could be off) of copies at retail, versus subscription. They all know what moves copies, and what does not sell. So you see the Kardashians, Princess Kate, a few other celebs like Jennifer Aniston, Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie.

    They are all soap opera characters. The Kardashians modern day Cinderellas marrying/dating/making sex tapes with not princes but guys who know Prince; rappers, athletes, etc. all Black. Like it or not this appeals to a non-trivial section of White women. Princess Kate is a real princess married to a real Prince so she's popular, the upscale version of the Kardashians. Jennifer Aniston, Brad Pitt, and Angelina Jolie are the eternal soap opera triangle: the good girl, the bad boy Alpha and the bad girl who stole him.

    And like it or not, much of the ad supported culture depends on making the White women and girls who love these characters happy enough so they'll continue to buy products associate with them.

    The Kardashians have a clothing line with Sears, however, not designers like Dolce and Gabbana or Michael Kors. So they are downscale.

    The problem is that the downscale White women are in agreement with the various feminists etc. who love the ickiness of Bruce Jenner's freak show. Its a giant freakshow for women, who are just as capable of being debauched and degenerate (just in different ways) as men.

    “Jennifer Aniston, Brad Pitt, and Angelina Jolie are the eternal soap opera triangle: the good girl, the bad boy Alpha and the bad girl who stole him.”

    Is it just me, or has that whole Aniston-Pitt-Jolie drama been going on for twenty years now?

  47. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Sure there are still guys like that (many are aging though) and I don't dispute that things were imperfect back then. I think what's important is that you could put that type of commercial on tv back then and it'd resonate with the mass market. It wasn't just cowboys or ranchers who could relate to it, it was average Joes in the suburbs and people from all walks of life.

    These days that type of commercial could only be viewed in a sarcastic manner by most Americans. That "old" America culturally wasn't that different from the typical cowboy/rancher, so that type of commercial could resonate with them in the 80s. "Modern" America is culturally so far apart from the cowboy that this commercial almost seems like an attempt at humor, which is why commercials like that have become far less frequent.

    If you read through the Youtube comments for the commercial, you'll see that most of the commenters are either confused by the commercial or are mocking it. About 10% of the comments reference "Brokeback Mountain" (ie the movie about the gay cowboys). I'm not surprised, as most of the commenters are younger people who grew up in a different time and can't appreciate the message of the commercial .

    There have been significant cultural changes in this country since the late 80s/early 90s. Those changes have created a mental atmosphere in which all-American masculine white men are targets for ridicule, but Caitlyn Jenner is a perfectly normal woman. We don't live in a mentally healthy country anymore. I think Jenner is a symbol of how American masculinity has been perverted. The commercial is a trip back a time when things were normal.

    The thing about this commercial is that back in the day when it was made, that was normal. And everybody knew that. You didn’t have to say it. No one watching it would have been second guessing the relationships between the men nor making snarky remarks about the environment in which they were portrayed nor the activities which they did. They were men and the unspoken standard was a heterosexual man and yes, a heterosexual white man. And men did manly activities like being cowboys and there were no underlying messages there. And nobody was reading other meanings into it.

    Nowadays people just don’t see the world that way anymore. Enough people have had surprising and often unpleasant experiences with other peoples’ sexual secrets laid bare to the world that now no one can ever feel completely sure about anyone else. Any time you meet someone now, one feels a sense of uncertainty. Whether you consciously want to or not, the thoughts do go through your mind: “Is he (she) gay or straight?” “Is he(she) normal or do they have some kind of weird sexual fetish, hang-up, or perversion that they might be hiding and that I need to know about before I decide how I will proceed?” “How do I find out if they are who they say they are?” And sometimes the possibilities can seem so daunting, that one simply prefers to not engage at all for fear of what you might find.

    Back in the eighties you didn’t ask these questions when you met someone. Back then you just wondered if he or she was a good or decent person. You wondered what their interests were like and if you had something in common. Now it seems like all of that is irrelevant.

    I agree that the gay/lesbian/transgender worldview is a perversion of masculinity. But it also a perversion of femininity and womanhood. It is an insult to all women everywhere for this guy to dress up in women’s clothes and use make-up and say he is now a women. Really? What is he then saying about what it means to be a women? That being a woman is nothing more than clothes or make-up? Really?

    Dang, yeah I’ll believe he’s a real woman when he starts feeling debilitating cramps every four weeks and then has to go and buy overpriced sanitary pads or tampons and try and figure out if anything will reduce the pain of the cramps other than a heating pad. Yeah I’ll believe he’s a real woman when he has to start thinking about birth control and worrying about whether or not he might have gotten pregnant or not. Yeah, I’ll believe he’s a real woman when he starts wondering whether or not to have sex because if he does people will call him a whore but if he doesn’t then his partner will say he’s frigid or “out-of-touch with her inner goddess and her sexuality”! Yeah, I’ll believe he’s a woman when he gets pregnant and has to start thinking of how his life is no longer about just himself, but now it’s all about being there for someone else–forever. Yeah, I’ll believe he’s a real woman when he has to put up with a lot of the crap that women put with just for being a woman. Yeah. Sure he’s a woman. Right!

    He’s just a dude who likes women’s clothes and make-up and wants to be able to dress as a woman and still feel like he’s normal and there is nothing wrong with that. What he does trivializes women’s lives and what being a real woman is. He’s got a lot of gall.

    • Replies: @New Mexican Reader
    One other thought: women who applaud Jenner are basically trivializing themselves. They are basically saying to the world, "Yeah, it's true, being a woman is so inherently shallow, pedestrian and without meaning that any man with the right kind of clothes, make-up, and hairstyle can be as much of a woman or even more of a woman than I am. There is nothing special about being a woman nor about the ability to give birth. Big deal." Yeah, that's what the women that applaud this are silently saying. They are bigger sexists and machistas than a lot of the men they complain about.
  48. @BehindTheLines
    I think I'm going to get a suntan and claim to have changed my race. After all, isn't race just a social construct? Don't tell me I can't change it, you intolerant cisracephobe!

    Hey, why not get a tan and change your race at the same time. Stuff like that goes on all the time here in New Mexico. Example: it is quite common for a white woman to marry a Hispanic guy. The white woman changes her last name to the Hispanic guy’s last name and voila, she’s now Hispanic too and eligible to apply for all the affirmative action bennies available. On the other hand, sometimes you see Hispanic women who marry Anglo, white guys and they change their last names to the Anglo guy’s name. And again, incredibly you see a change in race and ethnicity created by a change in last name. I have seen this BS happen on more than one occasion. It’s just another argument for elimination of preferences based on “race” or “ethnicity”. So, hey, if women here can change their race by changing their last name, why can’t you change yours by getting a tan.

  49. @V Vega
    Might it be that Bruce is just unfixable low-brow old-school crazy?

    Isn't the unintended comedy here found in trying to politically contextualize a hoarder, a cat lady, or Blanche DuBois? Trying to lend artificial dignity to crazy dumb white trash?

    On the other hand, he may be the opposite – a smart operator who knows the best way to rake in millions by exploiting a combination of the public’s appetite for the freakish and WWT warriors’ need for a hero. Remember, there’s no reason to believe he’s had any irreversible sexual alteration carried out. For all we know, he may be laughing his head off in private at the trick he’s pulled.

  50. @Anonymous
    The thing about this commercial is that back in the day when it was made, that was normal. And everybody knew that. You didn't have to say it. No one watching it would have been second guessing the relationships between the men nor making snarky remarks about the environment in which they were portrayed nor the activities which they did. They were men and the unspoken standard was a heterosexual man and yes, a heterosexual white man. And men did manly activities like being cowboys and there were no underlying messages there. And nobody was reading other meanings into it.

    Nowadays people just don't see the world that way anymore. Enough people have had surprising and often unpleasant experiences with other peoples' sexual secrets laid bare to the world that now no one can ever feel completely sure about anyone else. Any time you meet someone now, one feels a sense of uncertainty. Whether you consciously want to or not, the thoughts do go through your mind: "Is he (she) gay or straight?" "Is he(she) normal or do they have some kind of weird sexual fetish, hang-up, or perversion that they might be hiding and that I need to know about before I decide how I will proceed?" "How do I find out if they are who they say they are?" And sometimes the possibilities can seem so daunting, that one simply prefers to not engage at all for fear of what you might find.

    Back in the eighties you didn't ask these questions when you met someone. Back then you just wondered if he or she was a good or decent person. You wondered what their interests were like and if you had something in common. Now it seems like all of that is irrelevant.

    I agree that the gay/lesbian/transgender worldview is a perversion of masculinity. But it also a perversion of femininity and womanhood. It is an insult to all women everywhere for this guy to dress up in women's clothes and use make-up and say he is now a women. Really? What is he then saying about what it means to be a women? That being a woman is nothing more than clothes or make-up? Really?

    Dang, yeah I'll believe he's a real woman when he starts feeling debilitating cramps every four weeks and then has to go and buy overpriced sanitary pads or tampons and try and figure out if anything will reduce the pain of the cramps other than a heating pad. Yeah I'll believe he's a real woman when he has to start thinking about birth control and worrying about whether or not he might have gotten pregnant or not. Yeah, I'll believe he's a real woman when he starts wondering whether or not to have sex because if he does people will call him a whore but if he doesn't then his partner will say he's frigid or "out-of-touch with her inner goddess and her sexuality"! Yeah, I'll believe he's a woman when he gets pregnant and has to start thinking of how his life is no longer about just himself, but now it's all about being there for someone else--forever. Yeah, I'll believe he's a real woman when he has to put up with a lot of the crap that women put with just for being a woman. Yeah. Sure he's a woman. Right!

    He's just a dude who likes women's clothes and make-up and wants to be able to dress as a woman and still feel like he's normal and there is nothing wrong with that. What he does trivializes women's lives and what being a real woman is. He's got a lot of gall.

    One other thought: women who applaud Jenner are basically trivializing themselves. They are basically saying to the world, “Yeah, it’s true, being a woman is so inherently shallow, pedestrian and without meaning that any man with the right kind of clothes, make-up, and hairstyle can be as much of a woman or even more of a woman than I am. There is nothing special about being a woman nor about the ability to give birth. Big deal.” Yeah, that’s what the women that applaud this are silently saying. They are bigger sexists and machistas than a lot of the men they complain about.

  51. @william munney
    Are there any female to male transsexuals? Are they just called lesbians?

    I know two; both are attracted to men. One of the clearly has some sort of hormonal disorder leading to excess androgen production, though.

  52. @Hrw-500
    Note all celebrities endorsed it, this one had a wash-up career thanks to be in the 3 ill-fated Fairly Oddparents live-action movies. Drake Bell is under fire http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/06/02/drake-bell-under-fire-for-saying-hell-still-call-caitlyn-jenner-bruce/

    And did Monty Python predicted Bruce Jenner? http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/06/03/watch-did-monty-python-predict-bruce-jenners-future/

    Yes, such as the Monty Python sketch will eventually have to be dealt with. Some high tech and very innovative solutions should be forthcoming to broaden the old Soviet trick of airbrushing the ideological casualties out of photographs to include film and the Internet.

    It’s remarkable how much classic comedy of the sometimes very near past simply could not be made today. “That’s a man, baby!” Are you kidding me? Mr Myers, GLAAD is on the phone again…
    What is impermissible in comedy is growing proportionally along with the power and number of the Offended.
    One realizes that art isn’t really possible without a specific point of view originating in one’s ethnic, geographic, national and linguistic identity–the very definition today of a bigot.
    Diversity isn’t “vibrant” because there are too many people now to offend.

  53. @william munney
    Are there any female to male transsexuals? Are they just called lesbians?

    “Are there any female to male transsexuals? Are they just called lesbians?”

    Google “Ron Beastly” or “Buck Angel”

    Trigger warning: These are real “transmen”.

    You have been warned…

    • Replies: @william munney
    I should have taken the trigger warning. You can't unsee that.
  54. Ola says:
    @william munney
    Are there any female to male transsexuals? Are they just called lesbians?

    Are there any female to male transsexuals? Are they just called lesbians?

    When I recently went back to university at the age of 42 I came to know one female to male transsexual pretty well (also in my class – one flamboyantly feminine gay guy who constantly posts trans related stuff on facebook).

    The transsexual guy (I think of him as a guy as there was nothing feminine, except his very short stature and soft features, about him) was into military stuff, hockey, fire fighting etc. He was also very much attracted to older males – I was more or less constantly sexually harassed by him. He had a serious crush which of course was a pain, but I couldn’t help liking him. He was one hell of an upstanding guy, hardworking, very smart, knowledgeable and had interesting opinions on just about everything.

  55. “Bruce Jenner now qualifies as a male lesbian and so, as we all travel with him on this awe-inspiring journey, we should be prepared as we watch him confront the awful “Cotton Ceiling” which afflicts all male lesbians who are denied access to female lesbians.”

    I can already see the academic papers, penned by ernest academics, with titles like:

    Breaching the cotton ceiling: touching cloth.

  56. @Buzz Mohawk
    We've lost that in the MSM, but it still exists in the real world outside Malibu and Manhattan. I lived my teen years in a place somewhat like the one in the commercial.

    I go back and visit sometimes. It's still there. It was never as poetically perfect as the commercial; nothing ever is. The cowboys I knew chewed tobacco on the school bus and threatened boys with long hair. The real West has never been as neat and clean as TV -- or quite as friendly.

    Anyway, folks are still there, driving pickup trucks and living honest lives. You don't see them on TV anymore, that's all.

    The real West has never been as neat and clean as TV — or quite as friendly.

    Not being quite friendly is a key requirement for a society to remain as it is.

  57. @HandsomeWhiteDevil
    "Are there any female to male transsexuals? Are they just called lesbians?"

    Google "Ron Beastly" or "Buck Angel"

    Trigger warning: These are real "transmen".

    You have been warned...

    I should have taken the trigger warning. You can’t unsee that.

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