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My impression is that it’s a tricky call, and I’m glad Britain is not my country so I don’t have to have an opinion.

What do you think?

 
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  1. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Stitch Up. Sell Out. Betrayal.

    – Or -

    The Economist wins again. Just like they did with the UK’s disastrous ERM entry.

  2. Tyrion 2 says:

    On one hand:

    1. We have negotiated ourselves into a half-way house.

    2. This half-way house forces us to work within EU rules that we no longer have any formal power over.

    3. Extricating ourselves further will be tricky.

    On the other hand:

    1. The referendum was just 52%-48%.

    2. Better to be an independent negotiator outside than just one of 28 inside all submerged in a buffoonish and corrupt bureaucracy.

    3. It took decades for the EU to enwrap us, it’ll take a while for us to unwrap ourselves.

    We can now run our own border policy – no more excuses- no more cowardice – no EU distraction – no Merkel’s Hejira – time to bring immigration down to 1990 levels and see where we go from there.

  3. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course, this whole endless Brexit farce and farrago is merely the subliminated revenge of the (real) British people against the Blair (Economist®) government’s policy of massive uncontrolled unlimited immigration.

    As a warning to the political class, ‘actions have consequences’, but rest assured future UK government’s will pull the same immigration dirty trick all over again.

    Nothing but nothing can stop the Economist immigration cannonade.

  4. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s not Teresa May, it’s ‘Treason May’.

  5. jim jones says:

    The face of a traitor:

  6. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Boris should have got the PM job back in 2016.

    • Agree: NickG
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @Lurker
  7. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Could you imagine Churchill or Lloyd-George or even Thatcher being this gutless and cowardly?

  8. It was fine when it was the Common Market and trade and travel barriers came down, and people could retire to the Mediterranean without visas, but the attempts to further integrate laws and make Europe into another United States have not been very popular in the UK.

    The last straw has been the admission of vast numbers of immigrants who have become net consumers of social housing and health services and net providers of criminal services. Many of these came from outside of Europe, but the lack of travel barriers within Europe meant that many did head for the UK once they set foot in some other part of Europe, this giving the UK reduced control over its own borders.

    Unfortunately there are huge disparities in things like social housing, social services, unemployment benefits, free or unfree healthcare within the different countries of Europe, whereas the 50 states of the US are remarkably homogenous and similar in many ways and share more than a currency–much more than one would actually expect–considering that they have their own legislatures. For example the public education system seems remarkably similar everywhere.

    Brexit is probably going to be economically damaging to the UK, but then again, economics is not everything in life and financial prosperity does not bring happiness to everyone, and may bring new problems and challenges.

  9. OT: I’m also glad Britain is not my country, but then again, my (original) country is South Africa, which is a much greater mess. My beloved countrymen just took another step towards amending the constitution so that it allows for land expropriation without compensation (https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/committee-adopts-report-that-constitution-be-amended-to-allow-expropriation-without-compensation-20181115 ). Julius Malema of the Economic Freedom Fighters kindly spelled out, for anyone who may have been in doubt, that it is not a class issue, but a racial one.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  10. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Basically, the EU is an undemocratic, totalitarian, autocratic dictatorship.

    ALL it is interested in is pig-headed empire building. It wants to mimic the USA in power and gravitas.

    That’s what it’s all about.

    • Replies: @james wilson
  11. Romanian says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    I agree that the UK should do what is best for it. I am afraid, however,that its departure has left the EU without a dedicated eurosceptic power for others to rally to. I know you will argue that it has been ineffective and is playing the role of cuckservative,but it was stil limportant. The Franco-German statist vision does not have any viable counterpoint. Poland is not enough for that. At this point, the only real eurosceptic counterweight are the German courts, which keep shooting down the idea of German fiscal resources being used for French eurospending sprees – eurobonds, depositor insurance etc.

    Add to that the general bloodthirstiness against the Brits who must be made an example of to prevent others from leaving, and the political climate has turned against the Brits.

  12. After Theresa May pissed away the Tory majority in the General Election of June, 2017, she was allowed to continue as Prime Minister perhaps because her would-be replacement might be worse.

    Now most Tory politicians no longer hold that ancient opinion.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  13. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Mark my words.

    * “The EU is the Black Man’s Union”*

    Apart from apeing the USA, all the EU cares about is importing as many blacks and browns into Europe as possible. Until indigenous white Europeans are reduced to a minority.

  14. jill says:

    The Brits voted to get out of the European Union but their masters will not let it happen. What you are seeing now is theatrics. It’s a game.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  15. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Romanian

    The Italians are turning against the EU.

    • Replies: @Fredrik
  16. The Brits should have run a second referendum to clarify what the public wanted and to give a workable mandate to the government, if it passed. Here in Canada we had a lot of constitutional drama in the early ’90′s. After a dog’s breakfast constitutional agreement (the Meech Lake Accord) was rejected by several provincial legislatures, we had a referendum on a document called the Charlottetown Agreement*. Why couldn’t the Brits have managed at least that? Come on.

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottetown_Accord#The_referendum

  17. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    A proposition I disagree with.

    Whilst the EU has been economically stagnating – for the past quarter century at least – the rest of the world has been pulling away at a rate of knots, in fact, with the greatest wealth increment ever added in history.

    The UK must hitch itself to the vast growing future, not the stagnant past.

  18. pyrrhus says:

    It’s an easy call…Hard Brexit will allow Britain to regain its sovereignty, stop taking immigrants and stop paying billions to the Eurocrats…The UK can then negotiate advantageous trade treaties with the US and other nations, including the EU, especially Germany and France…The luxury market in the UK is critical to German auto manufacturers and the French tourism and wine industry, amongst others. So Britain has the whip hand here….

    Additionally, the EU hates the British financial markets, and wants to regulate and tax them…That would be lethal for Britain, so Brexit is a necessity.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Anon
  19. NickG says:

    In my view Prime Minister May is unlikely to survive this fiasco.

    Her deal will not get through the Commons. The DUP, most of Labour and 40-80 of her own Tory party will vote it down. If it is voted down the default is World Trade Organisation Brexit on 29 March 2019. But, there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth and attempts at negotiating an extension of the Brexit notice and or another Referendum – which is the usual way the establishment heads off decisions that do favour ceding more power to the Imperial EU project, by the abolition of the nation state by means ‘ever closer union’ with an anti democratic EU governed by an unelected council of ministers – a Politburo or Junta*.

    Theoretically if a new PM is rapidly appointed – god knows by whom – there will be time to try to negotiate a sensible Canada type free trade deal before the 29 March Brexit date.

    Personally I would rather we underwent a no deal Brexit; it would be chaos for a bit but far better in the medium and long term, we would regain our independence as a nation state and be able to make unfettered trade deals with the rest of the world.

    * Whenever any major development in the EU is actually put to a referendum the answer is usually ‘no’, as it was with Denmark on Maastricht, Ireland on Nice and Lisbon and France, the Netherlands on the constitution. Most countries have avoided referenda on EU power grabs, including the UK. They simply pass them with as little discussion as possible.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Cagey Beast
  20. Clyde says:
    @Tyrion 2

    The referendum was just 52%-48%.

    If this was opposite with Remain getting 52%, everybody knows the Remainers would give the Brexit faction zero considerations and zero compromise. That the Brexiteers would get zero traction for a voting do-over.

    • Agree: Kylie, JMcG, Excal
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  21. @Tyrion 2

    We can now run our own border policy – no more excuses- no more cowardice – no EU distraction – no Merkel’s Hejira – time to bring immigration down to 1990 levels and see where we go from there.

    Hungary, Poland etc managed to stop an invasion without leaving the EU, so what difference Brexit will make I’m not sure.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  22. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Romanian

    I know you will argue that it has been ineffective and is playing the role of cuckservative

    Yes!

    which keep shooting down the idea of German fiscal resources being used for French eurospending sprees – eurobonds, depositor insurance etc

    That would be funny. And, to be honest, I can see the EU making sense as a Franco-German plus BeNeLux union. But if the Germans want even that, they’ll have to pay.

    Add to that the general bloodthirstiness against the Brits who must be made an example of to prevent others from leaving, and the political climate has turned against the Brits.

    It always does, until events catch up.

    I am afraid, however,that its departure has left the EU without a dedicated eurosceptic power for others to rally to.

    The Eastern countries must have discussed leaving and forming their own union, even if quietly. Their expats and EU subsidies are keeping them in, but that will level out. I’m waiting for them to threaten to jump. The UK leaving will show it can be done.

  23. It was probably an insurmountable problem to begin with – both the UK and EU negotiators were likely working from incompatible red-lines. However, Theresa May’s planning and negotiating strategy were unbelievably cretinous. Article 50 was triggered far too early, and no meaningful attention was paid to the likelihood of a no-deal exit.

    With the benefit of hindsight we can say that Article 50 shouldn’t have been triggered until early this year, and the Civil Service should have been going gangbusters to plan for a no-deal exit from 2016-2018 (because the EU wouldn’t talk to us until Article 50 was triggered). That would have given us actual leverage when the negotiations did begin. This assumes no general election between 2015 and 2020. Also, EEA should always have been on the table.

  24. @Romanian

    I agree that the UK should do what is best for it. I am afraid, however,that its departure has left the EU without a dedicated eurosceptic power for others to rally to. I know you will argue that it has been ineffective and is playing the role of cuckservative, but it was still important.

    But the UK were terrible at winning friends and influencing people on the continent. When the English (and I do mean the English, specifically) weren’t insulting people, they were being Eurocucks. It was a choice between the lounge bar bigots and the believers in endless integration. I can think of no one from England who actually did EU politics well.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  25. bob sykes says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Actually, the deal takes control of your border away from you. It also divides the UK making Northern Ireland a part of the Republic of Ireland. Scotland may soon be absorbed into the UN. That makes your borders Hadrian’s Wall and the Irish Sea.

    • Troll: Tyrion 2
  26. Art Deco says:

    Not a tricky call at all. The only defensible answer is to leave. The only question is the optimal conduit to departure. Better to cut the knot and accept the collateral damage. Hard Brexit. Now.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  27. Art Deco says:

    Getting out from under the Euro requires you have a fine banking inspectorate which doesn’t leak plans. You’re still likely to have a jarring recession. Getting out from the rest of it isn’t going to hurt much unless the hag-Chancellor organizes a campaign of sanctions against you.

  28. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    You can weather an ordinary recession, and it might not amount to that even.

  29. LondonBob says:

    The political/media establishment has accepted the outcome of the Brexit referendum as much as their US counterparts have accepted Trump winning the Presidential election.

    Rod Liddle nails it.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/mays-deal-proves-one-thing-the-establishment-always-wins/

    Seems like Soros et al. have been using much the same tactics.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  30. ic1000 says:

    On accession to the EU, Britain kept the pound Sterling. Would Brexit be possible if it had fully followed the globalist playbook and adopted the Euro?

    In the US, mainstream media rarely never engages the common-sense notion that open borders are fundamentally incompatible with a generous social safety net. This seems to loom larger in Britain, given the smaller distances involved, and Merkel’s Boner.

    In the medical device industry, the pan-EU harmonization of regulations around regulation and approval via the “CE Mark” process has been a significant positive for the UK (and the rest of Europe as well). Brexit likely will mean forgoing most or all of these EEC-style benefits, which will hurt.

  31. Romanian says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    No. That will not happen unless the EU overplays its hand badly. Tanks and Muslim hordes in the street badly.

    The Eastern Euros distrust eachother and have only cooperated under American aegis. North-South infrastructure is much weaker than East-West, meaning that we are not functional as a bloc. EU funding is a very important carrot, as are EU markets and, regrettably, the remittances.

    Example – Romania and Hungary have a strained relationship, Romania and Bulgaria could not set up a NATO flotilla in the Black Sea, the Poles and Lithuanians have their spats, Hungary has problems with all of the surrounding countries because of its minority outreach policy etc. Attitudes towards Russia vary.

    Finally, in mainstream thought, Western integration means EU for society and economy and NATO for military. It will take a lot for that to change. I agree with that as well. But it is unrealistic to think that the Easterners could coordinate without defections to affect EU policy. Even the V4 mechanism is overrated, and emergency cooperation with your back against the wall is different from day to day cooperation.

    Germany has extraordinary powers of influence in Eastern countries and 4 of 8 European Parliament “parties” are led by Germans. A German will be the Spitzenkandidat.

    The UK was one of the big boys who could realistically organize. Without it, Germamy is the richest and France is the strongest EU country, with the only UN Security Council seat and nuclear arsenal in the EU.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    , @Sean
  32. Zoodles says:

    The Uk government deliberately negotiated a bad deal in the hopes it will trigger support for another referendum that will go the ‘correct’ way.

  33. I read Steve saying ” I’m glad Britain is not my country.” and I recall the Palmerston quote that were he not an Englishman, he’d wish to be an Englishman.

    How far they have fallen.

    Should any Brits want to hang their leaders since, there is space right beside all of Nigeria’s.

  34. I’m glad Britain is not my country

    I expect His Majesty George VII to be my rightful sovereign before I join the church triumphant, but being a decade older you may miss that honor.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @Cortes
  35. Tiny Duck says:

    If you look at demographics Brits of Color are OVREWHELMINGLY agfainst Brexit. They are the future. Brexit should be abandoned and UK should stay in the EU.

    The EU promotes immigration and diversity. Brexit promotes white supremacy

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    , @istevefan
  36. @Romanian

    Germany has extraordinary powers of influence in Eastern countries and 4 of 8 European Parliament “parties” are led by Germans.

    Even Romania is led by a German: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Iohannis

    • Replies: @Romanian
  37. justAdude says:

    By leaving the EU aren’t they becoming similar to any other European country which isn’t part of the EU? No one in Switzerland is panicking that they aren’t part of the EU, why should England? I imagine there will be some logistic and other matters to take care of, but they should be able to handle that.

  38. Stilicho says:

    OT but remember how thinking everything in genetic is absurd, like saying Brits drink tea and not coffee because of genes?

    Well actually…

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/nov/15/coffee-tea-drink-choice-study-linked-genes-how-we-perceive-bitterness

  39. Hank Yobo says:

    A typical British political muddle. Historically, they tend to lose many battles before ultimately winning the war.

  40. AndrewR says:
    @Desiderius

    Uh… What? Prince Charles, despite his good genes, will likely predecease Sailer, and you and Sailer will likely predecease William. And it’s far from clear that either will take George as a rental name. By the time Prince George becomes king I imagine there will not be many living people born before 1970.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  41. @Tyrion 2

    France, Germany, and Benelux countries together after the EU breaks up? Yes, the Muslim countries could be grouped together. Let Sweden join, too, for those good-looking somewhat intelligent blonde Halfrican Muslims they’re going to produce so many of in the near future.

  42. Pericles says:
    @ic1000

    Would Brexit be possible if it had fully followed the globalist playbook and adopted the Euro?

    I recall that during the crisis someone, perhaps Berlusconi, pointed out that, if need be, Italy could print Euros quite by itself.

  43. Mike1 says:

    My impression is that it is the right move in theory but that the English are finished as a people. I don’t think they have any way back. If you want to be subjugated why not just stay in the EU?
    I also think the odds of a genuine Marxist government emerging during the next downturn is close to 100%.

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
  44. Since it’s upsetting all the people I hate, Brex, baby, Brex.

    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
  45. Dutch Boy says:

    Somebody in Britain put it well: will we be governed by Parliament or not?

  46. kihowi says:

    It. Will. Not. Happen.

    I said this when the referendum happened and I’m still saying it. Britain will not, effectively, leave the EU.

    All of their elite, political, media and financial are monolithically pro-Europe. Rabidly pro Europe. You don’t defeat an opposition like that.

    If it happens at all, it will be independence in name only. In the small print, way too boring and complicated for people to talk about, Britain will still be part of Europe in all the areas that count.

    As Sir Humphry said to the minister: “You always confine the bits you don’t want to the title, they do less harm there.”

    • Agree: donut
    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Anon
  47. I think that the voters spoke and their betters have been managing to put off implementing their will for most incredible length of time now.

    There’s nothing quite so hard to carry out as a task you’ve no desire to perform. Else, Britain would have been out months ago. If all else fails, ‘well, what did we do before we joined the EU?’ It’s not hard.

  48. I backpacked through England and Scotland in 1994.
    I have photos of myself hoeing CS Lewis’ garden as The Kilns was being refurbished when I visited.
    Got turned away by an uppity innkeeper the Lake District who wouldn’t take backpackers.
    Took a sleeper to Ft. William and woke up to see Hadrian’s Wall pass by.

    Great memories. A real loss to the world and humanity.

  49. Sean says:
    @Romanian

    People always overestimate the ability of France to withstand Germany if only Britain will go into Europe to help them. and it usually ends up in a defeat and us having to run away back across the Channel. Brexit was another Dunkirk, we had to withdraw. How is France strong? France is subjugated and dependent on German mutulisation which Macron has been denying he sought since the day he took power. No one seriously thinks nukes are necessary for a European power in Nato and if you doubt that why is Germany is getting rid of any possibility of making nuclear weapons by dismantling its civil nuclear power stations? Germany is cocooned within a friendly military alliance which other countries’ taxpayers foot the bill for.

    Meanwhile, Germany does great business selling capital goods to China for its economic aggression. Never mind this Turkey joining scare, the EU immigration (this was Poles ect) that had already happen to Britain was vast, unending and being used to hold wages down in the declining number of occupations that had not been outsourced. Workers in construction ect were being recruited en mass from Eastern Europe for jobs that had not even been advertised in Britain (the government had to ban that). There was no end in sight and that was where the vote for Brexit came from.

    The Eastern members can manage fine as long as they are willing to stop sucking on the German teat. This was never something Britain had to wean itself off of, as Britain was always used as a milch cow by the France and Germany. The only exception was the City finance elite, and the Germans would have come for them too.Before he called the referendum David Cameron obtained abig concession from the EU on the City of London banks being exempt from European banking regulation. He did not get anything substantial on EU freedom of movement (ie unending unlimited immigration by Poles ect) and is why that he was backed by the all the elites, but lost the referendum. Britain’s London elite and armed forces are very important, but they depend on a wider structure that was eroding away. Britain as a whole was dying and it had not much time left to escape.

    The referendum was great good fortune really, a bit like, as seen below, the mole going out to sea that allowed the retreating British army (and thousands of French soldiers who had been hiding from the fighting) to board ships to be taken off at Dunkirk.

    The air attacks on the Dunkirk evacuation were very costly because the RAF were suddenly fighting on equal terms. France and Germany will find things become similarly Pyrrhic for them.

  50. I suspect that people who voted to leave the EU because of immigration will be badly disappointed by future governments, Corbyn, Boris, or Rees-Mong see no problem with open boarders, like the US the ruling class in the UK hate their own people, in fact I think they may even increase turd world immigration

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Gordo
  51. pyrrhus says:
    @Tyrion 2

    It’s an extremely bad, even treasonous deal, and much worse than hard Brexit…Looks like it may be collapsing…https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-15/mays-brexit-plan-jeopardy-2-cabinet-ministers-resign-pound-tumbles

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  52. Anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:

    To analogize two events (for two somewhat inanalogous institutions)–
    [UK sovereignty]:[halting currency/customs/visas Brexit]
    ::[GOP last shred of viability]:[Senate not confirming Brettweiser]

  53. Gordo says:

    The ruling class don’t want Brexit, the White working class do and won the referendum.

    So the ruling class gave us this farce and they are laughing.

    Time to dispose of them.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  54. I don´t know whether it is good or bad. But I am sure Brexit is no victory for the anti-immigration position, as some on the right would like to see it. African and muslim mass migration in the UK has nothing to do with the EU and will go on in the after Brexit.

  55. @ic1000

    Would Brexit be possible if it had fully followed the globalist playbook and adopted the Euro?

    Leaving the Euro shouldn’t be any more disruptive than joining it, and there’s a lot of experience with joining. If a big country like Italy left, there’d be a sudden drop in demand for Euros (i.e. transactions within Italy) and the central bank would need to reduce Euro supply correspondingly. To do that, it would sell Euro bonds on the open market. That’s bread and butter central banking, no magic or rocket science involved.

    A couple years back, during one of the recurring Euro crises, it looked like Italy might leave. The usual suspects published economically ignorant, politically motivated, gloom & doom about what leaving the Euro would mean.

  56. My impression is that it’s a tricky call and I’m glad Britain is not my country.

    The decision to leave the European Union by England was not a tricky call at all.

    If you are an American, then you are an honorary English man or English woman.

    There will soon be no such thing as Britain nor the United Kingdom nor the European Union nor the European Central Bank nor the euro currency.

    ENGLAND FOR THE ENGLISH!

  57. Cortes says:
    @Desiderius

    Judging by the “proms” at high schools, wholesale adoption of American pronunciation (“nooze” was an affectation twenty years ago – no longer) and the appearance of yellow school buses, more likely to be a US state…

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @ben tillman
  58. As a Russian I find it interesting that leaving European Union is taking so long. When the Ukraine, Georgia and other Soviet Republics seceded from USSR they didn’t spend much time deliberating, there were no internal debates on the issue, and no negotiation with Moscow: they just sort of got up and left. lol

    In the following decade their GDPs collapsed between 50% and 80%, many of these new countries engaged in civil wars and separatist conflicts, causing large-scale population exodus (Republic of Georgia went from 5,5 million people in 1991 to 3,7 million today – a decline of 32%).

    But guess what, they seem to value their independence. Georgians will tell you, “it was a point of honor” to separate from Moscow, even though Georgia was a heavily subsidised region of USSR, and now it’s in deep shit. So, to watch the Brits debate the consequences of leaving European Union for 2 years is pretty quaint. They want to have preferrential terms of trade…They want WTO to treat Britain as if it was still an EU-member country…I’m not sure if it means that Brits have become deracinated people, or that Georgians are retards.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @J.Ross
  59. England, not Britain!

    Get the damn gravity rainbow underwater nukes the Hell out of Scotland!

    Marine Le Pen will be the Boudica babe from Normandy who finally kills the evil EU!

    Marine Le Pen might have some Celtic blood. Who knows?

    England must tell the Scottish scamps to go phuck off! Kill that UK now!

    England must take all the remaining few drops of oil away from Scotland. If Scotland wants a war to keep the oil, give it to those Scottish bastards!

    Theresa May is a treasonous rat who presided over a 300,000 net immigration flood into England whilst she was Home Secretary under that treasonous rat bastard Cameron.

    Whilst is an English word usage, much like the use of twat as a word to describe this or that.

    ENGLAND FOR THE ENGLISH!

    Tweet from 2015:

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  60. bjondo says:

    Not tricky at all.

    Leave.

    Choose independence.

    Save your country, culture.

    For a while, maybe rough, maybe not.

    Sanctions have made Russia much stronger.

    • Agree: jim jones, RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  61. England is the ancestral home of the United States.

    England must get out of the EU and the UK.

    England must get the nukes back from Scotland.

    England must let there be a test of wills or a test of strength in Ireland to determine the fate of the primogeniture people in the North of England. I love the Irish Celts, but I think the Scottish scamps might get the best of them for control of the North.

    England must be free and clear of any responsibility for the problems in Ireland.

    England and France, as nuclear powers, must kill the European Union and the European Central Bank. Time for Frenchy to go back to the franc, or whatever they used before the euro.

    Let a few years pass and then let the Germans get a nuke or two to return sovereignty to Germany and get the US military out of Germany.

    Bank of England chief Carney, who is a Canadian, has stated that mass immigration lowers wages in England.

    Tweets from 2015:

    • Replies: @Podgemex
  62. Bruno says:

    If you are playing monopoly and suddenly everyone is against you, you are dead. Plain and simple.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  63. Red solo cup guy thinks it’s odd and funny that all these foreigners are running all the central banks here and there. So do I.

    Makes sense, the plutocrats and globalizers who control the central banks think in terms of spheres of influence and trade zones, they don’t think in terms of nations and national sovereignty.

    Trumpy the dope is at least starting to get people to think differently about national sovereignty and globalization.

    Bank of England chief Carney is a Canadian.

    Tweet from 2015:

    • Replies: @eah
  64. @International Jew

    Is it really that simple, Italy like other countries has borrowed how many billions in Euro, their creditors may not want to be paid back in Lira

    We were also told that the UK leaving the EU would be a simple process

    • Replies: @International Jew
  65. England Must Get Rid Of Theresa May Now!

  66. eah says:

    What’s “tricky” about it? — if eg NAFTA 2.0 negotiations happened and were widened to 1) include Central America and parts of the Caribbean; 2) posited free movement throughout the NAFTA 2.0 zone (ala the EU), would that be a “tricky” call for you?

    ‘A new study suggests that large scale immigration diminishes the willingness of people to pay taxes in support of social programs — this can lead to social instability.’

  67. My guess is it amounts to rearranging deck chairs on the Challenger Space Shuttle.

  68. What do I think? I think we fought two world wars and nearly destroyed ourselves not to be dictated to by Germany. Vive le Brexit!!

  69. Art Deco says:
    @ic1000

    Barry Eichengreen thought no, but others pointed out some data he hadn’t considered, as well as counter examples to his thesis.

    1. Euro coins are minted locally and have signature designs.

    2. There’s an alphabetic code on the back of Euro notes which indicates where it was printed. Banks can sort their vault cash and separate foreign-origin Euronotes from domestically printed notes, stamp the front of the latter. You can use the material printed domestically as a provisional currency until your mint and engraving and printing plant can produce something unique. Slovakia instituted a new currency in 1993 without a disaster.

    3. Other countries have abandoned currency pegs. It’s disagreeable, not impossible. You have a bank holiday, exchange controls, and (sometimes) quantitative limits on withdrawals for an interim period. Bank deposits are renominated in the new currency. Outstanding debts are sorted into those payable in hard currency and those payable in the new currency.

  70. Lurker says:
    @Felix Keverich

    So, to watch the Brits debate the consequences of leaving European Union for 2 years is pretty quaint.

    The ‘Brits’ of course have little say in the process which is almost entirely in the hands of globalists. If UKIP had any representation it might be different.

  71. @ic1000

    The US is not in the EU and there are plenty of US medical device manufacturers who meet the EU directives. There’s no reason that post exit UK based companies can’t be compliant with EU directives either.

  72. Art Deco says:
    @Bruno

    So what? Britain isn’t playing monopoly. Tariffs on goods and non-factor services from abroad are modest in the EU. That’s not going to hurt much. Many British nationals resident on the continent will have to return home. That’s going to cause disruption in the lives of particular individuals, but not a social catastrophe. And, again, insisting on rapid repatriation is on the host governments, not Britain. It’s likely to be less disruptive than the repatriation of the pieds noirs in 1962 or the repatriation of Portuguese colonists in Africa in 1975.

  73. Tyrion 2 says:
    @kihowi

    I’d say the elite were split 80/20 in favour of remain. Newspapers were almost balanced and a good number genuinely nationally interesting policians like Gove, Field, (Corbyn) and Johnson took the Brexit side.

  74. @Art Deco

    Not a tricky call at all. The only defensible answer is to leave. The only question is the optimal conduit to departure. Better to cut the knot and accept the collateral damage. Hard Brexit. Now.

    Yes. The people voted to leave–you leave.

    It should have been done pretty much immediately. ((May’s behavior has been textbook in why you can’t have such people as “leaders”.) You assert your nation’s sovereignty, set a date and go. If Brits are happy with it, you pass a law accepting the same free trade terms as before … thus making the EU responsible for any “not being nice to big business” and the accompanying hissy fits that follow.

    The big problem however–the EU isn’t what really ails Britain. All the Pakis and “Windrush” Caribbean blacks and now Africans that they let in–not the EUs fault. They did that to themselves in some spasm of post-colonial sillinesss (spurred on to some extent by American minoritarian propaganda).

    It was a start, but they can’t get their nation back with one referrendum.

    • Agree: Gordo
  75. @bjondo

    Sanctions have made Russia much stronger.

    Putin has oil to sell and barter and a whiz-bang central banker broad named Elvis or something similar.

    When the US dollar loses global reserve status, that will be the time to remove the 40 or 50 million foreigners in the United States.

    Global financial implosion that is now starting will benefit patriots and nationalists.

  76. jim jones says:

    Given the astounding resilience of the British I have no doubt the EU will rue the day they messed with us:

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  77. @Tiny Duck

    If you look at demographics Brits of Color are

    OVREWHELMINGLY

    agfainst Brexit. They are the future. Brexit should be abandoned and UK should stay in the EU.

    I would be ovrewhelmed by the Louvre if I went there, but I wouldn’t like that glass triangle contraption cooked up by that Asian cad.

    I think that Asian cad who screwed up the Louvre was ovrewhelmed by his own anti-White animosity, and he came up with something to destroy the classical feel of the Louvre on purpose.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  78. We are being led by peolple who have lost all belief in Britain’s ability to govern itself. They are defeatists rather than traitors.

    However, the dam broke in 2016, and this pathetic stitch-up won’t survive for long. There is no way that we can be coerced back into the EU project (but our ruling elite will try, nevertheless).

  79. Tyrion 2 says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    We stopped the Hejira like them, tenporarily. As soon as those “children” are citizens they can go where they like.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  80. Tyrion 2 says:
    @pyrrhus

    Big whoop! Dominic Raab resigned from a post about to be deleted…

  81. @jim jones

    I hereby declare Rees-Mogg to be a Welsh bastard with no Norman blood whatsoever.

    I also hereby declare that if Rees-Mogg, the damned Welsh bastard, can get rid of Theresa May then BULLY for him!

    Theresa May is a treasonous whore for the globalizers and the evil English ruling class.

    Theresa May, as Home Secretary under Cameron, kept open the mass immigration floodgates initially opened by Tony Blair about the year 1997. They were piling in the nigs and nogs and wogs soon after WW II, but Blair really pushed the mass immigration invasion of England.

  82. istevefan says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Brexit is probably going to be economically damaging to the UK, but then again, economics is not everything in life and financial prosperity does not bring happiness to everyone, and may bring new problems and challenges.

    Don’t let the GDP whores run your nation. If the goal is to maximize GDP you might end up with a nation that is not yours. I’d gladly trade half of the current US GDP for pre-1965 demographics.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
  83. istevefan says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Brexit promotes white supremacy

    The jig is up.

  84. Edward says:

    What we’ve seen over the past 48 hours or so is the logical outcome of Brexit. The EU has been perfectly transparent, and the UK has rejected every deal on the table, from the Norway option to the Canada option to the Ukraine option to the Turkey option.

    The UK Government’s own misguided red lines have led its Government to negotiate a deal that almost no one (whether they voted to remain or leave the EU) wants.

    Of course, we could leave without a deal, or accept a Canada-style free trade agreement. Both of these options would be pretty damaging to our economy, however, and would lead to the imposition of a hard border in Ireland, which is something we do not want given that violence may reignite.

    What we should do is leave the European Union (only because it would be wrong to reverse Brexit) but stay in the Single Market and the Customs Union. And then enforce already existing Single Market rules on freedom of movement, which allow a nation to expel those who are not registered as either being workers or students. Belgium, among others, already enforces these rules.

    European workers coming to Britain were not and will never be a threat to Britain. And for those concerned that refugees or immigrants from sub-Saharan Africa and the Middle East will be allowed into the EU and by extension the UK, enforcing the already existing Single Market rules which allow countries to deport those who are a burden on the system and who cannot support themselves will take care of most of these people.

    Outside of the Single Market, we will have an immigration system that treats everyone “equally”. That means that the ratio of European workers to Third World migrants coming into Britain will decline. During the referendum campaign, Nigel Farage said that Brexit would lead to more Black migrants coming into Britain. Certainly, the ratio will increase.

  85. Gordo says:
    @(((They))) live

    Correct, the ruling class are our enemy.

    • Replies: @Sean
  86. The Italians are turning against the EU.

    Salvini, God bless him, doesn’t stand a chance to be the one to kill the EU. Marine Le Pen will kill the EU!

    Italians don’t turn, they spin.

    The surname Eno has an O at the end. Close enough to Italian for government work!

    Bastard globalizers kept this bullshit going through monetary policy when it should have been stopped in the 1990s. The globalizers wouldn’t let each nation spin away from the bankers and the plutocrats and the scoundrels! Bastards cooked up 3 or 4 asset bubbles to keep their sovereignty-sapping globalization and financialization scams going. Damn irritating it is!

    Eno from the 1990s:

  87. Anonymous[331] • Disclaimer says:

    The EU increasingly reminds me of a Protection Racket run by the Kray Twins.

  88. Anonymous[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @Edward

    Look.

    A nation is either sovereign or it is not.

    May’s ‘deal’ would have bound the UK to unalterable laws and rules imposed by a foreign power. In other words reducing the UK to a vassal state.

    This is clearly unacceptable under *any* circumstances.

    The Tory rebels must channel their inner Churchill and fight.

  89. Anonymous[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @Edward

    Anyway, a huge proportion of ‘European’ ‘workers’ coming to the UK from EU in the future will decidedly *NOT* be European in any way, shape or form, other than a piece of (fraudulent) paper.

    This is how most of the UK’s massive and useless Somali population got here. Increasingly banlieue blacks and Arabs are pulling the same stunt, not to mention Merkel’s millions.

  90. Rosie says:
    @Erik Sieven

    African and muslim mass migration in the UK has nothing to do with the EU and will go on in the after Brexit.

    True, but then at least the traitors can be held accountable. As it stands, they like being able to point the finger at Brussels.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
  91. Rosie says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    If you are an American, then you are an honorary English man or English woman.

    I’ve only been American for 250 years. I’ve been English for (at least) 4 times as long.

  92. Anon[423] • Disclaimer says:

    Hard Brexit will make Britain into a regular country, just like the U.S., Canada, Japan, and so on. The sky will not fall. Bilateral treaties, which by this point in the development of international relations are mostly boilerplate with a few options to be filled in, will be signed. Other countries need Britain as much as they need other countries, so they will not be ostracized by Europe.

  93. @San Fernando Curt

    You couldn’t possibly hate the Right Thinkers?!
    The fact is, the British people voted for Brexit, like the American people voted for Trump. Yet everywhere you go, the right thinkers dominate, they’re so well trained, and you can hardly even state the blatantly obvious (previous sentence). I think it’s all a joke, and always was: the people voted for it, but the same people who brought right thinking into prominece want world govt., so it never stood a chance. Small government is better no matter what, as is stemming, nipping in the bud, and ultimately reversing the great Negro Tide which is being used to put the final nail in Europe’s coffin. I read somewhere that France is now 40-something percent African. How to fight these scum??

  94. Svigor says:
    @pyrrhus

    Indeed. No brainer. Leave.

  95. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @pyrrhus

    The UK has full power to regulate immigration from outside the EU, but has done nothing of the sort about it.

    Cameron could have slammed the door shut in 2010, as he promised, but again nothing was done.

    It doesn’t help that you have Judas Goats like Daniel Hannan that want more immigration from outside of the EU.

  96. Anon[201] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6390145/Pictured-Northern-Irish-woman-ranted-Air-India-staff-denied-drink.html

    50 year old Irish lass Simone O’broin , a self proclaimed international lawyer representing the Palestinians and Rohingya peoples lets the mask slip and goes on racist rant on Air India airlines. Calls the Indian flight staff ” money grubbing bastards”.

    More importantly, what name do you think she comments under here ?

    • Replies: @CJ
    , @Clyde
  97. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @kihowi

    The tax that funds the BBC is as I understand “voluntary”, as you don’t need to have a television. What I don’t understand is why the UK’s Right doesn’t just get rid of the tube and thus stop paying the tax.

  98. @Cagey Beast

    “When the English (and I do mean the English, specifically) weren’t insulting people, they were being Eurocucks. It was a choice between the lounge bar bigots and the believers in endless integration. “

    Have you been in England in the last 30 years? The lounge bar is almost vanished, perhaps as a result of fewer manufacturing jobs.

    The trouble is that our elites were pretty pro-Europe, but in the sense of wanting to see the Thatcher disaster – high debt, low wage levels, more women in the workforce – replicated across the continent. In this sense Macron and Sarkozy before him were following the Thatcher lead (but the French are more bloody-minded than the English, they’ve preserved employment rights and have higher productivity because labour is more expensive).

    So the Brexit vote was a bombshell for the elites – none of them believed in it, so it was always going to be tricky. Alas the Tories elected a leader who didn’t believe in it either. That’s a great betrayal.

    “The Government will implement what you decide”said David Cameron on the referendum leaflet we all got through our doors. We decided. I’m quite happy to have another vote, say in fifteen years or so, it was 41 years between the 1975 referendum and 2016.

    We should leave asap, and if that means WTO rules so be it.

  99. Tyrion 2 says:
    @NickG

    A lot of people on the dissident right bewail how clever the progressives were to “insidiously” make their argument step by step while themselves being entirely unwilling to follow that successful model, which is especially strange given how those on the dissident right tend to be quite conservative.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    , @Reg Cæsar
  100. Sean says:
    @Gordo

    I don’t know about that, Cameron did call the referendum and certainly must have known there was every possibility it would go against his recommendation. No comparison to Scotland leaving the UK to Britain leaving the UK. Deep down, he may have secretly wished there would be a vote for Brexit.

  101. BREXIT is the reason you’re glad its not your country, and not the fact your blog would end send you to prison for a billion years?

    Lol

  102. Truthier says:

    Women shouldn’t be allowed to serve in political office.

    They too often let you down.

  103. @Clyde

    The pro-Brexit faction stupidly insisted there mustn’t be a second referendum because they feared it would be a do-over. They should have come up with a clearly written document, setting out the terms of separation from the EU, and then have the public vote on that. As it is, they lacked the legitimacy for a hard Brexit and have ended up with who knows what?

    • Replies: @Matra
  104. @Tyrion 2

    Oh fuck me. They make their “arguments” (riddled with everything from logical fallacies to outright lies) supported by the entire edifice of the Cathedral while shouting down anyone to the right of Paul Ryan as a HitlerNaziMan who wants to genocide 6gorillion black baby bodies. That’s if they don’t immediately try to unperson you and make you unhireable.

    Tiny duck is probably trolling. You believe what you’re saying. I bet you huff your own farts.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  105. Irishman says:

    Britain’s mistake was to completely misjudge it’s power over Ireland. They thought they could browbeat Ireland into accepting whatever the choose for us and that the EU would help them. This was foolish for a number of reasons.
    Firstly Britain vastly over-estimated its economic power in Ireland. Irish exports to the UK can be neatly divided into two categories, food-stuffs which, push come to shove can be exported anywhere and higher end goods and services that serve the whole of Europe and that Britain would be buying anyway. Irish imports from Britain by contrast are largely the same plus specialty products that can be found in a country of 65 million but not 4.75m which we could source on the continent if wer had to.
    Secondly the British don’t seem to understand that when they leave the EU, they will have left the EU. The can’t seem to understand that the EU would never side with a non-EU country against an EU country because it wouldn’t last 10 years if it did.

    Thirdly, we know the British better than they know themselves. We know that this whole Brexit nonsense is nothing more than nostalgia for empire and the status that came with it. We know that sooner or later fantasy would collide with reality and because of the ticking clock of article 50 they would be forced to see sense. All their puffery ultimately achieved was to force them to choose whatever the EU was prepared to give them of a 2008 style financial crisis. Britain is a country with a chronic trade and balance of payments deficits. They ultimately have no choice.

    Finally there is just an asymmetry of importance between the UK and Ireland when it comes to northern Ireland. NI is the UK’s Puerto Rico, It is Ireland’s Mid-West. Any Irish politician who caved would have committed career suicide. Irish voters would be willing to endure far more pain for NI than UK ones would.

    Brexit is a con. It is a product of libertarian activists who think they can manipulate nationalist voters. The only consequence of Britain leaving is that its economy’s growth potential will permanently decline and immigrants to the UK will become browner.
    There will be no UK trade agreement with the US either. The US won’t allow the UK access to public procurement(this is why TTIP collapsed) and the British won’t allow access to their NHS for US healthcare companies.

    Scotland is going nowhere because Brexit makes Scottish independence redundant(The SNP case was that Scotland could like any other another EU country. Now it can’t unless if exits the British single market, and there’s no point in independence while staying in the British single market). Northern Ireland politics is such a mess right now I don’t know where it is going.

    The EU is a necessity. Without it Europeans would never be able to compete because of lack of scale. And the US, Russia and into the future China would play divide and conquer. Yes it is the source of a lot of liberals BS but don’t see that reducing at all in any world where the EU doesn’t exist.

    Brexit is a nation making a fool of itself.

  106. @Edward

    ” During the referendum campaign, Nigel Farage said that Brexit would lead to more Black migrants coming into Britain. Certainly, the ratio will increase.”

    How deranged. There will be no reason why all immigration should not stop.
    No reason why the UK should not impose any caps on immigration from any country region or race.

    Levels and admixture of immigration will be entirely the responsibility of the British ruling elite regardless of Brexit.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Philip Owen
  107. Pepe says:

    OT, but closer to home:

    Anti-immigrant sentiment is spreading through social media and spilling onto the streets of Tijuana as the caravan makes its final approach to the border.

    Eschewing introductions, the strangers — clued in to the clandestine meeting via a WhatsApp chat and directed to color-coordinate their outfits — stood in a circle near a movie theater in a strip mall, riffing on ways to stop the swell of migrants arriving at this border city.

    Afterward, several in the group went to Playas, a borough in western Tijuana where another anti-caravan contingent was trying to forcefully evict migrants. The group taunted the Central Americans, chanting “stop coming!” and singing the Mexican anthem. Police had to step in between the two groups.

    I understand Trump. I don’t love him but I know what it’s like to have to defend your country,” Garcia, 52, told BuzzFeed News.

    Migrants face a new threat: residents of Tijuana — the final stop on their 2,700-mile-long journey — who are organizing protests against the caravan and threatening them, or anyone who supports them, with violence.

    Several Facebook and WhatsApp groups advocating for the caravan’s deportation have sprung up in the month since the migrants set out from Honduras, underscoring escalating anti-immigrant sentiment in northern Mexico. The violent language used against Central Americans in these groups echoes that used by Trump supporters in the US, referring to the caravan as an “invasion” and issuing a call to arms in defense of borders.

    The pushback against the caravan in Tijuana has brought long-standing racism toward Central Americans neighbors to the surface, highlighting the incongruous attitude of Mexicans who demand better treatment in the US while discriminating against — and often victimizing — migrants who move north through the country.

    “These people are a Cancer that signals the end of Mexico.”

    “I’m asking the men here to defend their women and children… Since the majority of Central Americans who’ve arrived are men, violent thefts will start any moment now.”

    “Plagues are confronted with venom. And [bullets] are the venom here. Hondurans are equal to gonorrhea.”

    Other messages included suggestions to deliver pizza and hamburgers filled with pesticide to migrants, and a call to burn down one of the biggest shelters in the city.

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/karlazabludovsky/the-racist-backlash-to-the-migrant-caravan-is-building-in

    • Replies: @NZLex
  108. 22pp22 says:

    This vote was about immigration. I took a straw pole at a quiz night of all the other POMs in Cyprus and all but one agreed

    The government has always said that we are bound by EU law and cannot do anything about it. Same as in the US. Trump has missed his opportunity to build the wall. But he did get through his tax cuts for the rich.

    They no longer have an excuse, but nothing will change. Poles will be replaced by Pakistanis.

    Related topic.

    We are always told we MUST accept asylum swindlers because they MIGHT be in danger at home. Pakistan is one of the countries that our ‘judges’ have declared unsafe.

    The Bibi Family are in danger because Moslem fanatics WILL kill them if they can.

    They are turned away.

    That tells you all you need to know about Britain’s contemptible ruling class.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
  109. Hank Yobo says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    “If you are an American, then you are an honorary English man or English woman.”

    How many American colonies were founded before James VI, or rather should I say, James I, ascended to the throne? The British Isles are a very small place with the Scots playing a major role in the empire’s growth and colonization efforts.

  110. 22pp22 says:

    I don’t see the DUP sticking with May. The only thing holding this government together is fear of Jeremy Corbyn, aka Hugo Chavez.

  111. My impression is that it’s a tricky call and I’m glad Britain is not my country.

    Didn’t they go in on a 52% vote as well as leave on one? That seems like a very low threshold for either momentous decision.

    The Scots voted against both decisions, which shows that the English aren’t the only ones having second thoughts. Each nation is now saying the other was right all along!

    This kind of thing happens all the time on this side, too. The Democrats flipped on the 14th Amendment once the demographics worked in their favor. The chain-migration clause in the 1964 immigration deal was intended to favor Europeans, and did for a short time. Then there’s the black gerrymandering that blew up in the face of Democrats.

    Kinda tangentially on-topic, Woz now says autopilot cars will never take off, and Trump has forced China to face, or rather not face, her own debt mountain:

    Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak: ‘I do not believe in auto driving cars’ — it’s not possible yet

    Trump’s trade war is forcing Beijing to retreat from its own anti-debt battle

  112. @Tyrion 2

    A lot of people on the dissident right bewail how clever the progressives were to “insidiously” make their argument step by step while themselves being entirely unwilling to follow that successful model…

    The most successful campaign on the right in recent decades has been the spread of concealed-carry. How incremental was that?

    The banning of pistols in England (thanks to Scotch “misbehaviour”) after centuries of legality was anything but “step-by-step”.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  113. Fredrik says:
    @Anonymous

    Not really. They’re trying to find a scapegoat for their own problems. The latest spat with the EU is the EU telling them to follow the budget rules and don’t break their own country.

  114. Fredrik says:
    @Tyrion 2

    What’s with the Brexiteer fantasy that it’s the Germans that rules the EU? Everyone who knows even the slightest bit about it knows it’s Others that run it and Germans are expected to pay. See the arguments when the Germans suddenly told Greece to behave. That’s completely unacceptable.

    The fact that the Germans in fact is a financial winner in all this is just collateral damage. They weren’t the ones driving that.

    • Replies: @notanon
    , @Matra
  115. Fredrik says:
    @Erik Sieven

    Agreed,
    and this is why I always argued against Brexit.

    One can have a discussion on the merits of Brexit or what kind of organization the EU is but that’s beside the point. The point is clearly that the leading Brexiteers like Rees-Mogg, Duncan-Smith and Farage never really intended to reduce immigration. They have duped people and those people will be greatly disappointed. Don’t believe me? Then why are the Brexiter-Tories so upset? They’re upset because they won’t get what they wanted which is to be able to steal the NHS and other public assets.

    They don’t care about immigration so they’re not celebrating that clear win for Brexiteer voters.

    Also, Corbyn who is extreme left is against the EU for the complete opposite reason the Tories are. It seems to me that lots of people use the EU as a convenient scapegoat. I hope the British public debate will change now that “Brussels” can’t be used.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  116. dwb says:

    I read in the news that today, Jacob Rees-Mogg has moved to introduce a vote of no confidence against Teresa May.

  117. Fredrik says:
    @Edward

    Outside of the Single Market, we will have an immigration system that treats everyone “equally”. That means that the ratio of European workers to Third World migrants coming into Britain will decline. During the referendum campaign, Nigel Farage said that Brexit would lead to more Black migrants coming into Britain. Certainly, the ratio will increase.

    He and others have been talking about the Commonwealth. People on this very site become very agitated when you point out that Commonwealth means Nigeria and Pakistan. And India of course.

    White Anglo is a minuscule part of the Commonwealth.

    • Replies: @Edward
    , @unpc downunder
  118. @bob sykes

    Given Scotland’s dependence on transfer payments, that may not be a bad thing for England.
    And in the long run, it may not be a bad thing for Scotland either.

  119. J.Ross says: • Website

    https://www.newsweek.com/us-rabbis-lead-pilgrimage-border-protest-trumps-treatment-migrants-1212027

    In a statement sent to Newsweek, Rabbi Miriam Terlinchamp of Temple Sholom in Cincinnati said that the “increased militarization of our borders and zero-tolerance policies” have created the conditions for a “humanitarian disaster affecting immigrants and asylum seekers.”

    “These policies violate every principle of decency, justice and compassion that we hold as Jews,” Terlinchamp said. “We are making this sacred journey to call on our government to stop the unacceptable practice of imprisoning immigrant minors, and ensure protection for those seeking refuge within our borders.”

  120. Podgemex says:
    @Erik Sieven

    You must be the first person here to notice that lol. Brexit is about stopping white people emigrating to Britain hahaha

  121. Edward says:
    @Fredrik

    Indeed, that was the point of my post: I voted to Remain in the European Union, and support staying in the Single Market and the Customs Union.

    European workers were never and will never be a threat to the United Kingdom. Certain non-European immigrant groups (Chinese and Indians) also contribute a lot to the country and integrate very well.

    However, the clear implication of any post-Brexit immigration system, as outlined by Farage, Johnson and indeed the government itself, is that sub-Saharan Africans, Middle Easterners and Pakistanis will have the same opportunity to enter the UK as European workers. By contrast, in Europe’s Single Market, European workers were by definition given preference. Moreover, Single Market rules allow us to deport anyone who isn’t in work or can’t support themselves financially.

    Aside from that, Brexit has made the United Kingdom a laughing stock. In the European Union, we were a leading influence and very rarely were decisions made that didn’t go our way. Now, we’re giving it all up to pursue free trade agreements with countries such as Equatorial Guinea. That’s what “Global Britain” — a phrase used by the leading arch-Brexiteers — ultimately means.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Tyrion 2
  122. Podgemex says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Britain and Ireland are going to be American colonies in the very near future, Ireland is nearly there.

  123. anon[246] • Disclaimer says:

    My impression is that it’s a tricky call, and I’m glad Britain is not my country so I don’t have to have an opinion

    Steve, you’re too non-committal on this. The EU is an unelected government without democratic accountability to the people who live under its laws. Remember “no taxation without representation”? We fought a revolution over it.
    The basic rule is, people who have to obey a law should have a vote in making the law. People who make laws should have to obey the laws they’ve made. This and the principles of free speech and open debate that go with democracy are the only hope for good government.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Philip Owen
  124. Anonymous[996] • Disclaimer says:
    @Irishman

    The EU is a necessity. Without it Europeans would never be able to compete because of lack of scale.

    Why do Europeans need to “compete” anyways?

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  125. jesus fucking christ!

    it’s not hard at all.

    the EU is the fourth reich. just another attempt by the krauts at world domination. germans have autism.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  126. @Anonymous

    “Basically, the EU is an undemocratic, totalitarian, autocratic dictatorship.”
    Sure, but all such entities are not the same. I’d much rather have Pinochet’s version, for example.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  127. JMcG says:
    @Irishman

    My experience in Ireland is deep rather than wide, but it’s been my impression that the people in the Republic have grown far less interested in the ultimate disposition of the North in the last twenty years. Does that not comport with your experience? I’m not trolling, I’m genuinely interested in what you have to say on the subject.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Irishman
    , @Matra
  128. If you say you don’tt have to have an opinion you’ve either sold out or given up.

    Neither is pretty.

    Good luck with your eternal fund raising.

  129. Anonymous[370] • Disclaimer says:
    @Irishman

    The Europhile claim that British desire for Brexit is motivated by nostalgia for empire is similar to the Euroskeptic claim that German support of the EU is motivated by nostalgia for the Third Reich. Both claims are false and dishonest.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  130. @Jonathan Mason

    For example the public education system seems remarkably similar everywhere.

    This is because the federal government oversees most of it. Cities, counties, municipalities, etc pay for it and staff the school systems, but they operate with federal oversight – an oversight the federal government simply arrogated.

  131. @Fredrik

    I don’t know whether or not Britain should have stayed in the EU, but I suspect the EU might be better off without Britain. Now that the neo-liberal Brits are out, more conservative countries like Hungary, Italy and Poland will have a greater influence on EU policy. And one of the benefits of this may be less pressure from globalist technocrats to let in economic migrants from Asia and Africa.

  132. anon[364] • Disclaimer says:

    “Basically, the EU is an undemocratic, totalitarian, autocratic dictatorship.”

    And now they want an army to go along with it. I wonder what for? Seems like trouble. Probably the best option here is for the US and the UK to work together to get nations like Hungary, Poland, Italy, and Greece to leave the EU and enter into a counter EU alliance dedicated to containing French-German ambitions.

    I can’t believe we were foolish enough to allow this huge threat to us to form behind our backs without anything being done to stop it. Well, now that I think about it I do, actually. The multicult US doesn’t have a coherent national strategy because it isn’t a coherent nation anymore. Back under Obama, the upperclass of both the US and the EU were getting what they wanted: Obama got a less European Europe filled with less of the kinds of people he felt jealous of back when he was writing his autobiography, and Merkel and company got economic cogs for their territorial and political ambitions and a legion of Janissary Knights for use against potentially rebellious elements of the EU empire (see Catalonia); also, it’s way harder to leave the EU when your country is filled with millions of potentially non-European voters who only care about their own immediate economic interests.

    Oh, and through article 13 the EU is tacitly trying to regulate (ban) the kinds of political speech on the internet that led to Trump, Salvini, and Bolsonaro. This is a union to preserve the interests of the upperclass, not native Europeans; Merkel took the mask off with her foolish migrant invasion, so now we know the real deal here. And France is ruled by a guy who uses fake diversionary arguments about “patriotism” when he himself claimed that France didn’t even exist – have a culture – when running for president…and French dummies voted for the man!

    • Agree: Kylie, Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @unpc downunder
  133. anon[364] • Disclaimer says:

    “The EU is an unelected government without democratic accountability to the people who live under its laws.”

    Basically, we tossed off the USSR and replaced it with the USE, led by the Germans. Who really won the second world war here? Perhaps we should have considered this more carefully.

  134. J.Ross says: • Website

    4chan has been getting massively slammed the past few nights by organized disruption campaigns. The spam is easily worse than during the recent midterm election. Anons have asked, “why are we getting slammed in midweek, in a relatively slow news period?”
    Possibly this: a federal judge has ruled in a case brought by Larry Klayman’s Judicial Watch that Hillary Clinton must answer questions under oath about her mishandling of classified information. This apparently came out last night but I have only seen it mentioned at Sean Hannity’s site and here:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/court-rules-hillary-clinton-must-answer-more-questions-about-her-emails

  135. J.Ross says: • Website
    @james wilson

    Indeed, I would rephrase that the EU are stupid drunks who babble about UFOs but want to dictate every aspect of your life, inept corrupt bastards boiling over with contempt for their charges, and criminally insulated from the consequences of their decisions.

  136. It is a pity it is happening but was inevitable thanks to Merkel. By letting in a million unvetted people into Germany and simultaneously refusing to grant the UK any options on limiting EU migrants who had cascaded into the country after 2008, she did all the Leave side’s work for them.

  137. @Tyrion 2

    Merkel’s Hejira is great – if only it wasn’t so brainy. Sigh. (I love(?d)) Joni Mitchell’s Hejira).

    This is essential Brexit-reading – not short, but definitely sharp anyways:

    https://dominiccummings.wordpress.com/2017/01/09/on-the-referendum-21-branching-histories-of-the-2016-referendum-and-the-frogs-before-the-storm-2/

  138. @ayn rand had a low IQ.

    I’m stuck! – Just how bright was Jesus then? – As bright as the sun – or brighter (or just broader?, uurrrggh).

  139. vinteuil says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    You’re a Brit???

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  140. anon[996] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    The basic rule is, people who have to obey a law should have a vote in making the law. People who make laws should have to obey the laws they’ve made. This and the principles of free speech and open debate that go with democracy are the only hope for good government.

    The more fundamental rule is, you don’t really have a “vote” in what you have to obey, if you are in the minority.

    Having your own country is a precious thing.

    It is shocking Steve that does not appreciate that.

  141. Thud says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    Nicely put, we can work with this deal and make it better….and keep out the corby led commie class war traitors.

  142. @Anonymous

    Why do Europeans need to “compete” anyways?

    The Globalizers have a competition as to which Globalizer can use the phrase “globally competitive” the most times on the corporate propaganda apparatus.

    Capitalism has a first question:

    What is the capital?

    The Globalizers have greedy bastards selling their souls and selling out their own nations for debt-based fiat currency.

    Globalization and financialization are coming to an end.

  143. Anon[110] • Disclaimer says:

    If the EU wanted to import a workforce that was hard-working, low-crime, and willing to pay into the social welfare system of Europe to support all the natives in their old age, they could have imported American working-class whites, or just young American whites in general. Lowered all the barriers and laid out the welcome mat. The US during the 8 years of Obama had a high unemployment rate. We could have provided workers.

    But the elites of the EU didn’t do that. They wanted blacks and browns for ulterior reasons. It’s very important not to overlook this point.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  144. Thud says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Ermmm….we are still here last time I looked out the window.

  145. @Podgemex

    Britain and Ireland are going to be American colonies in the very near future, Ireland is nearly there.

    England and Ireland could provide some good soldiers to be used to finish off the the evil ruling classes in England and Ireland at the command of the man who takes over the American Empire.

    The American Empire is going to be taken over by the man who figures out how to win the allegiance of the Great Lakes Germans and the Southern Anglo-Celts.

    Combine the Great Lakes Germans and the Southern Anglo-Celts and the electronics guys who run the command and control for the American Empire, and that is just about all you’ll need to take the American Empire over.

    A Great Lakes German or a Texan German could be found to run Germany for awhile until such time as the Germans get a nuke or two or three and the US military leaves Germany.

  146. Anonymous[996] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    But the elites of the EU didn’t do that. They wanted blacks and browns for ulterior reasons.

    What were their ulterior reasons?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  147. @Sergeant Prepper

    If the proposed land expropriation is only against White owners, can’t they use some legal loophole like selling to a Black-owned straw company and leasing the land back? Something like that. Mexico doesn’t allow Americans to own land near the coast but there are some legal work arounds.

    Of course if a mob is coming to kill you anyway, the legal niceties won’t matter.

    • Replies: @bomag
  148. @Irishman

    The EU is a necessity. Without it Europeans would never be able to compete because of lack of scale.

    A massive and bloated bureaucracy issuing truckloads of arcane rules does not help Europe “compete”. The EU is a brake on European economic competitiveness.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  149. @Anonymous

    Yes, people just don’t think historically at all. People in the West aren’t historical creatures, they’re just consumers with some vestigial national characteristics. Englishmen don’t want to revive the British Empire and Germans don’t want to revive the Third Reich; they all just want to be left alone to play video games and eat sausages. The fact that Germans and Brits eat different sausages is incidental.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @JMcG
  150. @LondonBob

    Rod Liddle says:

    I am told quite frequently that a failure to leave will lead to riots on the streets. No it won’t. It will lead only to a sullen acceptance that once again, you can’t beat the establishment. It will always win in the end.

    He may be right, but this still remains to be seen.

    None of this is the consequence of the rights or wrongs of Brexit. All of it is a consequence of a failed government and a majority in the House of Commons that does not actually want the UK to leave the EU.

    Partly true. The Government’s minority status, and its consequent dependence upon the parliamentary votes of Northern Ireland’s Democratic Unionist Party, boxed it into a corner.

    No one wants trade barriers between the two parts of Ireland, and the EU insists on this point. The Democratic Unionist Party insists on no trade barriers between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK. Therefore the only possible deal keeps the entire UK in the EU’s Customs Union, at least until the UK once again has a majority government that can ignore the wishes of the DUP.

    The choices are: this deal, or no deal.

    Theresa May suggests there is a third possibility – no Brexit. However, notice to leave under Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty is is irrevocable, unless the European Court of Justice disagrees (and such a wilful misinterpretation of the Treaty would itself be a good reason to want to leave the ECJ’s jurisdiction).

  151. Excal says:

    The outline of this sorry tale was written at the moment Ms May was manouevred into office. As it began, so it is ending.

    The best that can be said of Ms May is that she is a very pure distillation of the wretched politics and politicians of this wretched age of cant and perfidy; arguably even moreso, I think, than Angela Merkel.

    I would be in utter despair if it weren’t for Jacob Rees-Mogg. I’m not in any way expecting him to save us all, but he gives me a bit of hope.

    At least the events of the past twenty-four hours have been most amusing. Anything that shows up May for what she is tends to lighten my mood. I hope her paymasters in Brussels are making her as miserable as possible.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  152. @eah

    What happened in 1973 ? Do you have the source please ?

    • Replies: @eah
    , @inselaffen
    , @notanon
  153. @Anonymous

    “What were their ulterior reasons?”

    Same as the ulterior reasons of US elites?

  154. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    We can now run our own border policy – no more excuses- no more cowardice – no EU distraction – no Merkel’s Hejira – time to bring immigration down to 1990 levels and see where we go from there.

    Do you honestly think there’s the remotest chance that’s going to happen? Do you honestly believe that the British political class wants to discard globalism and embrace nationalism?

    All Brexit was ever going to mean was that Britain would be destroyed by home-grown traitors in Whitehall rather than by euroscum in Brussels.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  155. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Could you imagine Churchill or Lloyd-George or even Thatcher being this gutless and cowardly?

    Churchill? The man who destroyed the British Empire? The man who joyfully embraced the rôle of America’s lapdog? This is exactly the sort of betrayal that Churchill specialised in.

    • Agree: ben tillman, AndrewR
    • Replies: @Bubba
    , @Philip Owen
  156. @jill

    The Brits voted to get out of the European Union but their masters will not let it happen. What you are seeing now is theatrics. It’s a game.

    John O’Sullivan said this very same thing recently on the Mark Steyn Cruise.

  157. @Cagey Beast

    After Brexit, maybe the KFC Megameals in England will be different from the ones in Germany? Perhaps the Brits will have different dipping sauces for their chicken fingers? Maybe the mobile phone data plans will diverge as well? Exciting stuff:

  158. Excal says:
    @Erik Sieven

    This is sadly true. There are quite as many open borders faithful inside the UK government as in the EU one.

    Personally speaking, I did not support Brexit because of immigration, but because I believe the UK should remain a sovereign nation, and cease being subsumed into Europe.

    That said, I don’t think the immigration situation will get worse if Brexit actually happens, and some day it might even improve.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  159. @JMcG

    Won’t be long before the UK is begging them to take it back.

  160. @International Jew

    Leaving the Euro shouldn’t be any more disruptive than joining it, and there’s a lot of experience with joining.

    The countries that want to leave the Euro tend to have weaker economies than average. If such a country (say, Italy) were to switch to a new currency, its exchange rate against the Euro would fall immediately after conversion. Money left in Italian banks would be converted to the new currency, which would lose perhaps 30% of its value in the first minutes of currency trading.

    People know this; therefore the change of currency would have to be implemented by executive order, effective immediately. If plans were announced in advance, people would empty their bank accounts and either hold cash, or deposit their Euros in a bank in another EU country. The result would be a banking collapse in Italy. The Italian banking system already has grave problems with non-performing loans, and it is not in a good position to deal with a “run”.

    As if this is not bad enough, Italian foreign debt would remain denominated in Euros. Repayments in the new currency would suddenly increase, perhaps to an unsustainable level.

    To make matters worse still, the Lisbon Treaty states that any EU country that gives up the Euro automatically leaves the EU.

    So, the unfortunate Italians are stuck with a currency that is sucking the life out of their economy. This is probably not what the (Italian) former EU Commission President Romano Prodi had in mind when he described the Euro as “destiny”.

    • Agree: Romanian
    • Replies: @International Jew
  161. @Cortes

    Perhaps that will be agreed to out of the abundant kindness of His Majesty’s heart.

  162. @AndrewR

    No rental name will be necessary. He’ll ascend the throne by acclimation before his fortieth birthday. It shouldn’t take much luck for me to make it that long.

  163. Irishman says:
    @JMcG

    Until Brexit came along people were content to let sleeping dogs lie, But if the issue is forced attitudes thing would change. The other issue here is the internal politics in NI. The power-sharing system established in the peace agreement has collapsed with no prospect of revival. Also the unionist are not a majority any more and the biggest impact of that has to encourage radical thinking among them, endorsing direct rule from London to escape the rule of a nonunionist majority and a hard Brexit to put clear blue water between ROI and NI. This is producing an equal and opposite reaction among NI catholics and southern Irish.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  164. Matra says:
    @Cagey Beast

    “They” – the pro-Brexit faction – don’t have the institutional power to dictate the wording of another referendum. Nor do they have the media power to get out their message – several of the papers that were on their side have since been taken over by EUphiles. That’s were the big money is. A second referendum would be as much a stitch-up as all the other second referendums that have been held throughout the EU.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  165. @Anonymous

    Ah yes, Boris Johnson: the upmarket Benny Hill.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  166. Matra says:
    @JMcG

    South of Dundalk they’ve never cared all that much.

  167. Anonymous[996] • Disclaimer says:
    @Excal

    Personally speaking, I did not support Brexit because of immigration, but because I believe the UK should remain a sovereign nation, and cease being subsumed into Europe.

    If Britain continuous to be subsumed into Europe, the English people will eventually disappear from the planet.

  168. Bubba says:
    @dfordoom

    LOL! Lighten’ up Francis. Churchill wasn’t perfect and as everyone knows, the English “Empire” was over long, long before WWII. At least Churchill was a proud fighter for the U.K. and had an annoying knack for what Steve Sailer has called “noticing things” – like Churchill noticed the U.K. would be annihilated and speaking German real soon unless they got help from the U.S.A. (hmmm… it’s strange that some of those realist, high IQ folks like Churchill and Sailer can “notice things”).

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  169. @Irishman

    Thirdly, we know the British better than they know themselves.

    You think you do.

    We know that this whole Brexit nonsense is nothing more than nostalgia for empire and the status that came with it.

    Perhaps this nostalgia existed in the 1960s, but the economic humiliations of the 1970s put and end to such delusions of grandeur.

    The EU is a necessity. Without it Europeans would never be able to compete because of lack of scale.

    Common standards for goods and services are a Good Thing. However, when it comes to “competing”, the sort of competition that EU politicians have in mind is geopolitical and financial competition with the USA. They are genuinely peeved that when they climb to the top of the greasy pole in their own countries, they then find that they are not the equals of the POTUS. On the whole I think we are far better off if no one in Europe has such awesome power.

    Brexit is a nation making a fool of itself.

    On the contrary, it happened because the EU has passed the point of maximum usefulness. We passed “peak EU” some time between the Maastricht and Schengen Treaties.

    The Euro has driven Greece into grave poverty, and has seriously harmed the economies of Cyprus, Spain, Portugal, and Italy. It is not impossible that one of these countries will decide to leave the EU in order to prosper.

    Yet while Britain is the first country to leave (if Greenland and Algeria are not counted), the countries that still want to join the EU will be very hard to integrate, both economically and culturally: the Orthodox and Muslim countries of the Balkans; and Turkey, Ukraine and Georgia. It should be a cause for concern that some EU countries wish to encourage Ukrainian membership, at least in part because they want to “sock it” to the Russians.

  170. @Matra

    The UK government should have held a second referendum while making clear that the result of the first one would be respected. They should have said “we will abide by your decision to take the UK out of the EU. We now ask you to endorse the XYZ Agreement”. As it now stands, they have no consensus and everyone unsatisfied.

  171. Anon[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Irishman

    Irish exports to the UK can be neatly divided into two categories, food-stuffs which, push come to shove can be exported anywhere

    Is this really true? I don’t have a handle on the figures involved, but it seems like an assertion that needs some backup (It was definitely untrue, for instance, in the middle of the last century).

    The EU is a necessity.

    If you had said “The EEC is a necessity” I might have bought it. This seems going just a bit far.

    Otherwise at least from my superficial reading you seem to make some pretty good points.

  172. Anon[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Irishman

    Also, pardon the irrelevance, but do the Irish still burn turf briquettes? Lovely things.

  173. @(((They))) Live

    Italy declaring it will henceforth pay its Euro debts with Liras goes beyond “leaving the Euro”; it would be more like “Leaving the Euro” plus partial default.

    Just “leaving the Euro” would mean putting Liras back into circulation, and waiting for the people of Italy to start transacting in Liras within Italy.

    A quick way to put a lot of Liras into circulation would be to start paying government salaries in Liras. Once the domestic economy has mostly adopted the Lira, the government of Italy would gain a tool for monetary policy that, today, it doesn’t have.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
  174. TheBoom says:

    There was no need for the elite in the UK to demand a hard Brexit any more than there is a need in the US for the Republican elite to abide by the wishes of its voters. If people don’t like it, what are they going to do?

    In the US we don’t have a real choice besides the uniparty and the elite has almost the same power no matter which faction of it wins. In the UK, the elite knows that Tory voters will not switch to bad thought parties in mass because that be RACIST!

    The Tory voters may get a chance to have a new face on the charade and a few adjustments to this agreement but their betters have already decided their future. Spoiler: the current crop of Tory voters and their descendants are not in it.

    • Replies: @Corn
  175. @James N. Kennett

    The Italian Lira doesn’t exist today in any meaningful way, and thus neither does a “Lira/Euro” exchange rate.

    Beyond that, the nuts and bolts of reintroducing the Lira could be handled in a variety of ways. Among those are boneheaded ways that would produce disaster like you describe. But disaster isn’t inevitable: a disciplined rollout that relied on Italians adopting the Lira voluntarily could result in the Lira becoming an attractive means of exchange and store of value, in short a “hard currency”.

    Unfortunately, most of the political attraction to “leaving the Euro” relies on issuing shitloads of Liras, resulting in the opposite of a “hard currency”.

    So bottom line, I agree with you that a new Italian Lira would be a fuckup just like the pre-2002 Lira was. But it’s not actually inevitable. Likely yes, inevitable no.

  176. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Bill Jones

    Levels and admixture of immigration will be entirely the responsibility of the British ruling elite regardless of Brexit.

    Yep. And the British ruling elite wants Britain to be as non-white as possible.

    And the ruling elite will also want to punish Britons for disobeying instructions and voting the wrong way on Brexit. What better way to punish them than by flooding the place with even more Third World immigrants. Really humiliate and demoralise them by rubbing their noses in diversity.

  177. @Anonymous

    Let it be noticed that Enoch Powell warned you lot back in ’68 of the dire consequences, should you all go down the garden path of limitless, runaway, out of control immigration.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  178. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Excal

    I would be in utter despair if it weren’t for Jacob Rees-Mogg. I’m not in any way expecting him to save us all, but he gives me a bit of hope.

    I was under the impression Rees-Mogg was an open borders enthusiast. Wouldn’t he be even more catastrophic than May?

  179. @Cortes

    Judging by the “proms” at high schools, wholesale adoption of American pronunciation (“nooze” was an affectation twenty years ago – no longer)

    What the hell is “nooze”?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @J.Ross
    , @Desiderius
  180. NickG says:
    @Tyrion 2

    1. The referendum was just 52%-48%.

    over 70% of UK electoral constituencies voted for Brexit.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  181. J.Ross says: • Website
    @ben tillman

    … are Brits supposed to say nyooz (for news)?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  182. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Felix Keverich

    In the one case the central government collapsed and in the other it is still firmly in control and enjoys support from a powerful fifth column.

  183. Bill B. says:
    @Romanian

    The problem with Britain’s attempt to ‘negotiate’ with the EU was that it was like punching a monster and finding nothing there, a mirage, mere fluidity.

    The EU is an idea, an ideology, a bureaucratic scam, a conspiracy – but it is not a country with a history, an identity, definable interests and realities.

    So EU apparatchiks get drunk, make jokes about the British, engage in terrific wheezes to ‘entrap’ the British (like the non-issue of Northern Ireland) and enjoy inflicting pain on apostates.

    Mrs May and her confidents have not understood that the EU is not a country which could empathize with a British desire to leave an entity it was never really happy in and which will inevitably be a vital ally in an unknowable future world. Nation-states can negotiate cleanly; quasi-USSR-like blobs of inchoate ambition cannot. The Czechs and Slovaks separated in a graceful fashion; trying to leave the EU is like trying to leave the Mafia.

    Negotiating in good faith was never going to work because the EU is genetically incapable of good faith in this situation.

    • Replies: @Romanian
  184. Bill B. says:
    @International Jew

    The Italy government is acutely aware of the mistake Marine Le Pen made at the last French election in promising to raise the issue of leaving the Euro and even leaving the EU altogether if she won. This made it easy for the smart-aleck Macron to point out the potential for pain and undercut her appeal.

    The Italians, by contrast, hammered away at immigration (The League) and an income floor (Five Stars) to absolutely smash their – as it turned out – joint opponents. They are playing their cards carefully and sequentially.

  185. CJ says:
    @Anon

    LOL hilarious link. The picture at the top with the choker and the piece of jewelry stuck to the middle of her forehead says it all really, but there’s a few more laughs, for instance when she admits she doesn’t get any money as a champion of the Palestinians and Rohingyas.

    If she commented here, who would she be? Corvinus most likely.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  186. @Tyrion 2

    American–so at a distance.

    But Brexit vote or not, it doesn’t seem to me that Britain had much of a future in the EU. The urge–demand–for “ever closer union”, had the EU requiring the Euro and Schengen. Within a generation–sooner but for Merkel’s madness–Britain would have been getting demands to be a team player and get with the program–or else.

    Britain was going to have to leave eventually, or submit and have its sovereignty stripped.

    ~~~

    As in the US, European nationalists need to talk up “separation”.

    There is a core of (deeply confused) people who are tired of their nations want globalism. I think the actually true believers are small in number, but they have the organs of the media and state, so there are a lot of wooly headed followers.

    Nationalist need to have a clear message for those people: “You want to live in globohomo–fine. Those that want that can have that. But you have no right to force people who want to live in their nation to submit to that.”

    Have votes and see where the globalists live. Draw up plans for the globoslum. Maybe centered on Brussels? Pack all the globalists and all the non-native immigrants off to it. And normal folks can get on with their lives.

  187. Lurker says:
    @Anonymous

    Enoch Powell should have got the PM job back in 1970.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Philip Owen
  188. @Bubba

    Churchill noticed the U.K. would be annihilated and speaking German real soon unless they got help from the U.S.A.

    Speaking German LOL. So much better Arabic or Swahili.

    Also, BBC News – Britain Declares War on Germany – September 3, 1939.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  189. Lurker says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Exactly!

    I had an uber liberal friend berating me over Brexit because, get this, the EU via Schengen is helping us keep out undesirables from the 3rd world! As if we couldnt keep them out on our own. And the moment Merkel’s millions and their offspring get German passports the Schengen issue melts away. It’s madness. And madness that he’s got the cheek to run it by me as an argument.

  190. Bill B. says:
    @Cagey Beast

    The Brits should have run a second referendum to clarify what the public wanted and to give a workable mandate to the government

    Then best-of-three? That would be only fair right?

    No. The British had the referendum which was very precise and very clear. As leading retainers – like Cameron et al – pointed out in the run-up to the referendum to vote leave meant leaving the EU politically and leaving the customs union; it meant a trade relationship with the EU as equals.

    The EU panjandrums have attempted to lure the British lion on to a punji trap of difficulties in the hope that it would beg for mercy or at the very least show other states the folly on independent thinking. Another referendum would merely pander to the extreme risk the EU is taking in flirting with a geopolitical rupture (the dangers of which it imagines to be nugatory).

  191. @Mike1

    Marxism might be the only hope for the English. Look at Poland , Hungary, and the Czech Republic: A good dose of Marx is good for the survival of a nation.

    A real Marxist economy could send the Pakis and Caribbean Africans scurrying home. A generation or two of starvation is a small price to pay to win a home land for the English people.

    As things are going now, the English will be like the Jews before WWII soon: A people without a country, a hated—but on average wealthier—minority among violent, hostile people that want them dead.

    So Marxism would be an improvement.

  192. Joach says:
    @Erik Sieven

    I don´t know whether it is good or bad. But I am sure Brexit is no victory for the anti-immigration position, as some on the right would like to see it. African and muslim mass migration in the UK has nothing to do with the EU and will go on in the after Brexit.

    Lol, the EU forced and is suing recalcitrant European countries for their opposition to the Middle East/Africa-Europe human pipeline.

    When did Central and Eastern European countries sign up for this — for Brussels to turn citizens of the Middle East and Africa into, say, Poles, at will?

  193. Dtbb says:

    The big question is will this brouhaha lead to the reunification of Ireland… and oh yeah, how will it affect the Ryder Cup?

  194. Bill B. says:

    AMBROSE EVANS-PRITCHARD in the Telegraph:

    From what we know, the Barnier (EU) plan is self-evidently at odds with democratic self-government. No nation would normally accept such terms unless very small, or bankrupt, or first defeated in war…

    The eurozone economy is already close to stall speed as global borrowing costs ratchet higher…

    My view is that the financial shock of a no-deal Brexit would crystallize mounting risks and hurl the eurozone into an existential crisis. Academic trade models do not capture the multiple channels of contagion, obvious to any Mayfair hedge fund dealing with capital flows. Some 80pc of Europe’s capital markets are in London.

    Confidence would be shattered. The derivatives markets would seize up. The wealth effect of a stock market crash would cause eurozone consumption to buckle. Unless the EU backed off very quickly, the cross-Channel supply chains of European multinationals would break down. Airbus would have to suspend its European operations. Germany’s 750,000 annual car sales in the UK would collapse.

    Britons have been told for two years that a no-deal Brexit would bring the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse – as well it might – but the European public has not been alerted to the big risks they face in any comparable way. The insouciance has been astonishing. This asymmetry has psychological implications.

    It is a fair bet that stunned electorates would turn on their elites with condign fury, ushering in a ‘Salvini Europe’ and the ascendancy of AfD in Germany. How this would play out within the UK’s internal union is anybody’s guess.

    This ‘euro-dämmerung’ is what the EU unwittingly risks by presenting Britain with what looks like the peacetime equivalent of Austria’s ultimatum to Serbia in July 1914.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/11/14/rejection-barnier-brexit-plan-would-hurl-europe-existential/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1542242835

  195. Tyrion 2 says:
    @dfordoom

    There are some decent politicians in parliament. There are many others who’ll bend the way the wind blows. Sensible government is possible.

  196. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The most successful campaign, like it or not, has been the undermining of union power.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  197. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lurker

    Absolutely.

  198. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fredrik

    I’m sorry, but you have no idea of what the *real* right-wing of the Conservative Party is like.

    For obvious reasons they keep it quiet, but their views on immigration differ little from that of the typical iSteve commenter.

  199. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @Edward

    Economics is all about growth – or so it should be.

    Undoubtedly, ‘Equatorial Guinea’, a name you toss in contemptuously for no apparent reason other to garner a few laughs, has had, over the past decade, a far far higher rats of economic growth than the EU.

    • Replies: @Edward
  200. sb says:

    OK I’m from a Parliamentary system where the Executive is always answerable to the legislature (Australia) .I realise other countries are different in their choosing of leadership positions

    But in my view a Brexit Remainder should never have won the leadership after Cameron’s departure.
    A very predictable recipe for disaster
    Then she called a very unnecessary election where the Tories went backwards.
    This should have cost her the leadership for bad judgement and just hopeless political nouse

    May wouldn’t last 5 minutes in the Australian political system .She just isn’t a leader .
    But I realise that being childless and pro multicultural are essential requirements for a senior position in contemporary European politics so I guess that there is limited competition

    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
    , @LondonBob
  201. @Tyrion 2

    The most successful campaign, like it or not, has been the undermining of union power.

    They did it to themselves, for the most part. I’ve been in the immigration control movement for 25 years now, and one rarely sees union people. And when you do, it’s always individually, never representing the union.

    The unions supported women going to work, even though their members certainly didn’t. And they supported anti-discrimination law. Nobody benefited more from legal discrimination than did the unions.

    How about this strategy? A union threatens to go on strike if the company hires any foreign-born worker. Go ahead, take that one to the union hall.

    And ask Viki Knox what her union did for her.

  202. It has never been clear to me how there is a viable option regarding Ireland. It seems you need one of the following:
    1) An actual border between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic.
    2) A de facto border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK
    3) A de facto border between the island of Ireland and the rest of the EU

    All of these are politically unacceptable to one faction or another. It seems everyone has pretended that you can construct some regulatory scheme that will obfuscate this fact.

    The objectively best bet would be to convince Ireland to ditch the EU too, but it seems Ireland is succumbing to the rapid onset of SJW globalism that often afflicts Catholics who lose trust in religion.

    It seems the historical Irish affinity for anti-hegemonic “resistance” movements around the world (which I think is a real thing, and somewhat admirable, and somewhat grounded in Irish history) has now been co-opted to support bureaucratic globalism (which will fight the “real enemy” of “nationalism”). That is some thin gruel though, and if I were a recruiter for al-Qaeda/Isis/whoever-is-leading-that-team-now I’d be following Sinead O’Connor’s lead and heading to Ireland.

    • Replies: @Podgemex
    , @Bill B.
  203. @CJ

    Telling Indians that you work for the Rohingyas doesn’t strike me as the smartest move, unless she’s already sussed the staff as Muslim.

    India is building vast fences on the Bangladesh border to keep Muslims out, and Hindu/Muslim relations are always “interesting” there. An awful lot happens that never makes the Western press, despite being reported in the excellent English-language Indian press.

  204. @sb

    Australia? The country which had Julia Gillard in power for 3 years and voted out John Howard?

    • Replies: @sb
    , @NZLex
  205. Podgemex says:
    @SporadicMyrmidon

    ireland is rotten to the core, a certain businessman linked to the ruling party has become Russian scale oligarch rich. A ruling party that historically hates working class people , at the founding of the state suggested that they should be let starved to death. A ruling party that wants Ireland to be in NATO, it wants Ireland to be an American colony or an American Trojan horse in the EU. It had the Catholic Church keep the lower orders in line, but now it brings in the third world to destroy them because it hates them. These are the same people who ran Ireland for Britain, when you read in history books that the British did this or they did that in Ireland , it’s all false, it was these people. The other tradional political party are just a bunch of gombeens but at least they don’t hate the Irish people. This country is fucked .

  206. Vote the biotch out, then take the country crashing out with two fingers to the Continent.

  207. Edward says:
    @Anonymous

    International trade is, substantially, about geography, not growth.

    But if you are concerned about growth, then you should know that free trade deals with other countries with other countries will not make up for the loss of the biggest and best free trade deal we ever had, namely the Single Market, which serves 500 million people and 28 nations.

    Of course, as members of the European Union, we were part of around 60 free trade deals which we will now fall out of and have to renegotiate. But we’ll be given much poorer terms by everyone. The rest of the world is not going to pass up this opportunity to extract as much as possible out of the UK in trade negotiations. Another reason why patriots should oppose withdrawal from the European Union.

  208. @Detective Club

    My take is that Mrs. May, during her tenure as Home Secretary, with access to the UK intel apparatus, got her hands on enough dirt to sink enough politicos that they have had no choice but to keep her as PM, but she may have gone a bridge too far this time.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  209. @Cagey Beast

    Second referendum? Which part of “We want out of the EU” do you think the 52% who voted for it did not understand, particularly after months of Project Scare leading up to the first referendum? And why vote again on a vote that hasn’t even been implemented and therefore has produced no “results” that need to be remedied?

    BTW, the EU way is to keep voters voting until they vote “correctly,” thereby giving the veneer of the Will of the People and a veneer of legitimacy, but if the people still refuse to vote “correctly,” the national assemblies are expected to, and have on nearly every instance of voter intransigance, step in and decide the matter for them.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  210. @bob sykes

    If they had any sense and creativity, they should have simply done an EXIT, leaving NI, Scotland and Wales as an empty husk of the UK remaining in the EU.

  211. LondonBob says:
    @Podgemex

    Ireland is surprisingly corrupt.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Philip Owen
  212. LondonBob says:
    @The Alarmist

    Brexiteer MPs are being careful with how they communicate as they believe May is pulling a Trump style surveillance op on them.

    • Agree: Expletive Deleted
  213. LondonBob says:
    @sb

    The childish Remainer MPs in the Conservative Party deliberately blocked any Leaver MP being elected leader of the Conservative party, the party membership were also stopped from giving their usual vote on the final two MPs put forward, just one was put forward as the other bowed out. So we end up with the useless May, a JEB Bush type character, albeit slightly better on immigration.

  214. Bill B. says:
    @SporadicMyrmidon

    The Irish border issue was conjured up ab initio to wreck a decent, fair Brexit by people with ill-will towards the independent-minded British.

    The two sides of Ireland already have different currencies, different tax rates, different monetary regimes but there is no problem because no sensible person on either side of the border wants there to be a problem. There is little, in fact, little trade across the border anyway.

    The scalawag Irish prime minister has played a key role in weaponizing a previous non-issue for capricious reasons of revenge and to pander to the open-borders globalist crew whom he imagines see him as a hero and not a craven lickspittle.

    Varadkar’s sincerity can be judged by his policy of seemingly intending to eradicate the Irish with a policy of massive vibrant replacement.

  215. duncsbaby says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Do you have any tweets since 2015? Why not? Your account (if it’s you) is still active but your last tweet was a retweet from 11/2/15. I find it very curious that you like to link to your tweets from 2015 but haven’t had anything worthwhile to tweet about since that year. It’s not like anything significant has happened in the meantime.

  216. duncsbaby says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    There is some substantial truth to the idea that America is the present day manifestation of a historic England. We speak the language, for the most part. Our laws and customs, for the most part, are an extension of English common law & customs. I’m sure better minds than I have fleshed out the idea but there is some worth to what you say.

  217. Wilkey says:
    @istevefan

    “Don’t let the GDP whores run your nation. If the goal is to maximize GDP you might end up with a nation that is not yours. I’d gladly trade half of the current US GDP for pre-1965 demographics.”

    A hard Brexit and any economic disruption will only help to achieve the goals of the Brexiteers. It will make the UK a less tempting destination for third world immigrants, both the poor who come to leech off the system and the corrupt zillionaires who come to drive up real estate prices.

    “Hard Brexit” is exactly what the UK should want, not some disaster to be feared. The UK will survive. Name one nation that has disappeared from the planet because of a minor recession. If Britain’s financial “services” industry should shrink dramatically that would be no great loss, either.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  218. eah says:
    @The King is a Fink

    I note and save interesting infographics like this — when I see one I quickly check to see if the data looks reasonable and is (well-)supported — if so I keep it and may use it later, as here.

    I do not remember where/when I specifically I got this one — it was fairly recently though.

    Undoubtedly a number of factors are involved in (what appears to be) dramatically slowing wage growth while productivity was still improving fairly quickly — mass immigration and outsourcing of manufacturing jobs among those factors.

  219. sb says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    KmUnfortunately people don’t always vote as I would like them to .
    My point is that MPs should always be able to replace their leader by a simple vote on say a day’s notice in a true parliamentary system ( ie non of these quasi presidential leadership conventions or convoluted voting procedures that you see in the UK and Canada )
    Howard was party leader for over a decade .He had also previously been leader and had lost a leadership vote.And then later won the leadership a second time
    Most countries are far too deferential to the Leader

  220. Wilkey says:

    “My impression is that it’s a tricky call, and I’m glad Britain is not my country so I don’t have to have an opinion. What do you think?”

    If only there were other nations on the planet that managed to thrive without being part of the Fourth Rei…err, European Union. But by golly I can’t think of a one – especially not any English-speaking countries.

    The European Union mostly seems to exist to allow the rich to traipse across Europe without enduring the torture of pulling out their passports every now and again, to tell constituent nations that they can’t secure their borders, that they can’t bar welfare tourists and Muslim fanatics from receiving welfare benefits, and to allow Germany to run up immense trade surpluses against pretty much every other nation in the bloc. Do you think Greece and Italy and Spain would be literally acting as African people smugglers if they weren’t able to shuffle the “refugees” off to the other member, more affluent nations?

    The UK has the people and talent pool to do well on its own. Its population is almost equal to the combined populations of Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. None of those nations appear to be struggling.

    The UK outside of the EU will serve to place limits on how much the globalists in the EU can get away with. It becomes a potential ally for any nation that considers leaving. Those nations will be along shortly. You can count on it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  221. @Bill B.

    The Irish border issue was conjured up ab initio to wreck a decent, fair Brexit by people with ill-will towards the independent-minded British.

    More likely, the Brexit faction hadn’t even thought about the Irish border, and the issue took them by surprise. The “red lines” of the EU and the DUP prevented any solution except remaining in the Customs Union. The EU was exasperated by a succession of British proposals that tried to avoid this outcome by including some kind of trade barrier at the Irish border. In return, it used the border issue to play a hard game of “Now I’ve got you you SOB”.

    Varadkar’s sincerity can be judged by his policy of seemingly intending to eradicate the Irish with a policy of massive vibrant replacement.

    And Fine Gael is not even doing this by stealth. Its “Project 2040″ aims to increase the population of Ireland by 25%, repeating the same mistakes that other European countries have made.

  222. JMcG says:
    @Irishman

    Thank you for the reply.

  223. Anonymous[397] • Disclaimer says:
    @Edward

    People like you have been bleating on and on about ‘globalization’ these past 30 years, yet suddenly, because the whole validity and utility of your precious EU has been (rightly) questioned, you’ve now started banging on about ‘gravity’, trade blocs and protectionism.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  224. JMcG says:
    @Cagey Beast

    I hate to say it, but you are right. Maybe some vestigial national pride around World Cup time, but given team composition these days even that can’t run very deep.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  225. @The Alarmist

    As we call all see, leaving the EU is not like flicking off a light switch. The EU and its member states don’t cease to exist for the UK the day after the deadline passes. Thus and therefore, a UK government needs a core set of instructions given to it to define Brexit. Ideally, this set of instructions would have been hammered out by a series of meetings amongst Brits, leading to an “ABC Agreement”. The public would then vote to endorse or reject said agreement. If ABC Agreement were rejected, the Brits could throw together and XYZ Agreement and have a vote on that. That’s how the last few years should have been spent. None of that happened and here we are.

  226. Anonymous[397] • Disclaimer says:
    @Edward

    Anyway the EU is going nowhere and doing nothing as far as economic growth is concerned.

    It has economically stagnated for the past 30 years at least – and doubtless will stagnate for the next 30.
    The time is not too far distant when the EU ‘s share of global GDP will be no bigger than its share of global population – and then, legitimately, we might ask ourselves ‘what’s the bloody point?’

    Even the so called ‘Brezhnev stagnation’ that presaged the death of the USSR was a tiger by comparision.

    The real tragedy is that millions of young Italians – and others – who could and should have contributed to EU economic growth have had their lives effectively destroyed in the process.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  227. Anonymous[397] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill B.

    No one but no one can gleefully fuck over the English like the Irishman.

    I well remember that fat bloated corrupt pig, Peter Sutherland, chiding the UK for being non committal on the Syrian ‘migrant’ scam.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Podgemex
  228. bomag says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    can’t they use some legal loophole like selling to a Black-owned straw company and leasing the land back?

    I’ve seen some of this racial economics play out inside Indian reservations. These shell games work for a awhile, then new regulations come down, such as assets have to be in the name of the operating entity.

    Business partnerships with a sympathetic partner starts getting pressure from the mob.

    It all shakes down to race and tribe.

  229. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Jack Hanson

    They didn’t have that in the 50s, 60s, 70s and so on. Don’t be a tard.

  230. @NickG

    Personally I would rather we underwent a no deal Brexit; it would be chaos for a bit but far better in the medium and long term, we would regain our independence as a nation state and be able to make unfettered trade deals with the rest of the world.

    Yes, now that the pro-Brexit camp has allowed itself to be painted into this corner, the best they can do now is attempt to bring about a no-deal Brexit and then ride out the storm.

  231. @Desiderius

    Okay: Boris Johnson is the homely Justin Trudeau of the Home Counties.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  232. Tyrion 2 says:
    @vinteuil

    What impression did I give?

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  233. Matra says:
    @Bill B.

    I don’t know about in the Republic but in the run up to the referendum Northern Ireland’s news media barely, if at all, mentioned the impact on the border in the event of a Leave victory. Since the day after the vote – led by the traitorous local BBC – it has mentioned very little else. Maybe like most ‘elites’ they were just completely caught off guard by the result or maybe, as you say, this is just the usual EU shenanigans with their lickspittles in Dublin and their friends in the Belfast media doing their usual worst.

  234. AndrewR says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    I’m pretty sure Urdu is a more common language in the UK than both of those combined.

  235. @The King is a Fink

    that would be the end of bretton woods and he postwar ‘keynsian’ era and the beginning of the ‘world free trade’ / monetarism / globalism era.
    this rendering of the same graph shows that with annotations of the top:

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  236. @Charles Pewitt

    I don’t really think modern Americans are that close culturally or even ethnically to modern English ( mean, white americans might be closer to english than any other group (but I’m not so sure of that either), but they aren’t ‘family’ in the way that Australians or New Zealanders still feel like.
    In the 1950s, 60s, maybe but today… definitely not.
    I even find it pretty obvious when a product is using a stock photo of ‘american whites’ on its advertising. They look different.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @Art Deco
  237. TheBear says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Will take it then, judging by your subtle shilling, May’s Brexit deal is officially good for the Jews, and therefore detrimental for the majority of Brits who, in spite of the Jewish dominated media led propaganda campaign of fear, voted for Brexit anyway.

    The good thing of having a shill like you horsing around on this site is, you can tell inmediately what’s good for the Jews -organized Jewry AKA “the globalists”- and clearly see what you should be opposing. Keep up the good work lad.

    • Troll: Tyrion 2
  238. @JMcG

    We abolished ourselves. To be fair though, the people who wanted us to be nothing more than interchangeable consumer units had control of the Megaphone. It was as if they each had 10,000 votes for everyone one of ours.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  239. @inselaffen

    … and it’s around this time that France and Germany switched from a policy of limited visas for guest workers to an immigration policy that allowed “family unification”. The ponzi scheme needed new bronze level “investors”.

    It’s also worth reading about the formation of the G7 group to get a feel for this wonky historical moment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_of_Seven#History

  240. @inselaffen

    This is true. I was reminded of the “le 56% face” meme when I saw some of the American tourists in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia this summer. Apart from a tiny handful of assimilated Asians, they’d all be categorised as White but there was something a little off about more than a few of them. Some of the kids looked like Maradona might be their real father.

    In retrospect, one could tell they came from a country where a half-Filipino gay exotic dancer might send people pipe bombs out of a misplaced sense of patriotism.

  241. Anonymous[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey

    Well said.

    I well remember the 1980s – a period in which the UK was in the forerunner of the EU for the entirety – when, during various times, or even simultaneously(!) the UK suffered interest rates of over 20%, inflation at 25% per annum and unemployment at 12% of the workforce.

    Just how, pray, could it *ever* get worse than that?

    The point is the UK emerged, eventually, from that brutalising experience and kept marching on.

  242. Anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @Podgemex

    What evidence do you see that it’s fucked?

    • Replies: @Podgemex
  243. Anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @Edward

    Of course, as members of the European Union, we were part of around 60 free trade deals which we will now fall out of and have to renegotiate. But we’ll be given much poorer terms by everyone.

    Good. England can source locally and conserve more.

  244. Anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @LondonBob

    Ireland is surprisingly corrupt.

    Evidence please.

    • Replies: @Podgemex
  245. Anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey

    Those nations will be along shortly. You can count on it.

    What makes you so sure? Are you willing to bet on it?

  246. vinteuil says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    Hey, I always assumed you were American!

    Not sure why I would expect a Brit to give off a different vibe…anyway, I was surprised.

  247. The sovereign power of the British Empire was conclusively ended in 1956 at Suez by Eisenhower.

    Since the #Ottawa conference of 1931 the UK had been failing to make the Commonwealth an FTA. 25 years of sterile negotiation. ( https://waleseuroperussiafuture.blogspot.com/2017/06/why-not-commonwealth.html )The Europeans set up their project in as many months. The UK turned to Europe. It didn’t get in straight away but EFTA provided some relief and kept such Commonwealth deals as we had in place. Finally we got in and have risen from bottom place but one in GDP/person compared to the original 6 to the average (mostly because the Germans absorbed the East).

    Not all the imperialists liked Suez neither do their grandsons. Once the recovered their poise, they gave us 40 years of poisonous lies. Boris Johnson, as a young reporter was a major contributor to them. Here are some from the last 25 years.

    https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/

    About 150 #Tory families gave us #Brexit #BrexitShambles . Their grandsons are driving it now. The new Brexit Secretary is a Barclay from Barclays Bank.

    The EU is first and foremast a peace project. The generations that actually fought in the war voted 2:1 for Europe in 1975. Most of the opposition came from the far Left and far Right, typically younger. Football supporters and skinheads. Followers of Enoch Powell. More here, especially the link to Powell https://waleseuroperussiafuture.blogspot.com/2017/01/why-i-voted-remain.html

    The ERG (hard liners) are a bunch of officers with no sargeants. Rees Mogg has started his cavalry charge without any horses behind him. The 48 letters have not been submitted. Major players like Johnson, Davis and Cash have not sent one. Even if they trigger a vote of no confidence in the party leader, they will not defeat here. They need 159 supporters and they are struggling to get far past 20. Monday is the crunch time. This weekend the Tory MP’s are talking to their constituency party members to get permission or otherwise to send a letter. Most Tory members are far to the right of the electorate so there may be a few more yet but 48 will be a stretch. If they call it and lose, then they can’t call another one for a year by which time it will be all over.

    May is likely to lose the vote on the Backstop Deal when it is put to Parliament. That will be her weakest moment. That is when to strike. If May stays in office, we face deadlock until 2022 when Parliament’s term runs out or she can call an election (but she is the only one allowed to do so) or a referendum on the terms. I think an election will be her choice. Even so, it is likely to be close. She could be beaten by an Labour/SNP/LibDem/Green/Plaid Cymru coalition all of which support to some extent a vote on the terms. Labelled as a Government of National Unity with the main focus on a referendum and then an election, even a few Tories may join.

    Whatever happens, it is not going to be great for the Tories. Their best hope is for May to muddle through and ideally for the Toffs to break away (they won’t). The best hope for the country is that she calls a General Election that ends in a GNU+referendum.

    I think that she will muddle through. The Irish and Scots will be gone in 5 years. The Welsh in 15-20 (because Wales, one of the few manufacturing regions left, will be booming due to a, finally, undervalued pound).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
    , @Bill B.
  248. Art Deco says:
    @inselaffen

    I even find it pretty obvious when a product is using a stock photo of ‘american whites’ on its advertising. They look different.

    Yes. The Americans have a decent set of teeth and showed up sober to the photoshoot.

    • LOL: Tyrion 2
  249. @Jonathan Mason

    Mm This conflation of EU migrants, other economic migrants, illegals and refugees was part of the UKIP/BBC News strategy. They are completely separate issues and only one of them relates to the EU.

    The UK took a decision not to use the powers the EU granted to control EU migration. For example we chose to pay them benefits and give them health care without being so obliged. The immigration issue, although almost irrelevant to the EU was the major driver for the swing to Leave in the last week with every BBC News programme leading with it and no doubt targeted Facebook ads.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  250. @Charles Pewitt

    If only, as we see in Wales. We have rather a lot here.

  251. @Gordo

    A lot of browns voted for it too.

  252. @Anonymous

    Gravity is real. The only markets that count are the EU27 and the USA. ,Very far behind, Russia is 3, China 4 and Turkey 5.

    The US, Russia, China for the most part all trade with the EU on WTO terms. The rest of the G20 are on some sort of FTA. That’s 85% of world trade covered.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  253. @NickG

    That was then. This is now.

  254. @Bill Jones

    Immigration is driven by demand not supply. Daniel Hannan was very clear about this on referendum morning. Many Indians voted for Brexit as curry chefs can’t get visas just now due to the clampdown. With Poles out, it will probably be Indians in. Free movement is India’s condition for an FTA.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Bill Jones
  255. @dfordoom

    Quite. Churchill said one thing and did another. He gave the Empire away to the US before Attle did it to India.

  256. @Bubba

    The Hiroshima bomb was a British design. The US speeded delivery by 6-12 months.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  257. @Lurker

    Skinhead were you? I was but in the West Midlands (two tone).

    • Replies: @Lurker
  258. Anonymous[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip Owen

    Yep.

    That’s why whenever I go out shopping nearly every non food item I see on the shops’ shelves are made in China.

    Obviously WTO rules haven’t impeded China’s ability to wipe out great swathes of EU and British industry.

  259. @Cagey Beast

    I very much doubt that the Overseers of the Poor in Whitehall and Westminster will permit the rabble to express their foetid opinions in such democratic form ever again.
    That was what ham-face Cameron tried, expecting Project Fear to whip them in, instead he got a Peasants’ Revolt. Even Labour was unnerved by their clients defecting to the patriot side in huge numbers (for the purposes of this single vote only).
    So despite the snivelling from the Remain diehards, no “People’s Vote” (including every foreigner currently haunting the land, it seems), no 2nd Neverendum.
    This process will remain firmly in the grasp of professional bureaucrats and politicians until the “correct” result is achieved (Brexit filibustered and banjaxed out of all recognition, perpetual incorporation in the EU and subjection to the Council of Ministers (secretive cabal taking all decisions behing closed doors).
    The plebs just can’t be trusted.

  260. Anonymous[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip Owen

    Just why the Hell – in any *SANE* society – should a man who boils pots of rice for a living should *ever* even be considered a ‘skilled worker’?

    Only Blair’s New Labour could be damned stupid.

  261. Anonymous[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip Owen

    Most of Britain’s exports go to nations other than the EU.

    The proportion which go to the EU is dropping, consistently and strongly, year by year. Of course this is down to the EU’s chronic economic stagnation.

    The trend is pretty obvious, and to secure the UK’s prosperity, the UK must adjust to it.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  262. Anonymous[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip Owen

    ‘Welsh manufacturing’ is largely an artefact of government regional policy and grants and nudges to big business, as part of a guilt trip about what happened in Rhondda in the 1930s.

    Anyway, the Welsh people, like the English people voted majority for Brexit.

  263. @Chrisnonymous

    an uppity innkeeper the Lake District

    Is there any other kind? Basil Fawlty was not a fictional character. All Brit hoteliers, B&B owners and even outright dosshouse operators are like that. I think it’s genetic, like tea.

  264. Romanian says: • Website
    @Bill B.

    Interesting perspective! Never thought about it like that!

  265. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip Owen

    It’s strange how the EU was entirely impotent and useless when a real war – that mostly little Yugoslav spat of a quarter century ago – erupted on its doorstep.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    , @Philip Owen
  266. @Charles Pewitt

    I wouldn’t like that glass triangle contraption cooked up by that Asian cad.

    Like Stonehenge, when you get to the real thing it’s irritatingly small compared to the impression the photos give, and the queues enormous.

  267. Anon[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Isn’t Sutherland a Scottish name?

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  268. Corn says:
    @TheBoom

    “There was no need for the elite in the UK to demand a hard Brexit any more than there is a need in the US for the Republican elite to abide by the wishes of its voters. If people don’t like it, what are they going to do?

    In the US we don’t have a real choice besides the uniparty and the elite has almost the same power no matter which faction of it wins.”

    We need proportional representation

  269. @Anonymous

    Which is why the EU needs a Command and Control structure. The WEU had been destroyed by NATO bureaucrats fighting for survival. The only coordination mechanism left was NATO which was American controlled. The EU is not set up for military intervention. Personally, I don’t think it should be. It’s main importance is as a Peace project.

  270. Anonymous[428] • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip Owen

    Yes France and Germany simply banned eastern European immigration for several years after the 2004 EU expansion. Britain could have done likewise but didn’t. It’s why so many Poles ended up in Britain.

  271. @Anon

    It’s a Scottish county (or was). But just like nobody in Texas is called Tex, and nobody in e.g. Derbyshire is called Derbyshire, it means that’s just where the ancestral, pre-proper-surnames stranger blew in from. In this case, to Ireland.

  272. @Anonymous

    Which is why it needs an army. NATO was useless.

    • Replies: @notanon
  273. @Anonymous

    Ignorant bollocks. About a half go to the EU 27, about a quarter to the US and the rest are totally scattered along the gravity index. And the idea that oil boom countries are growing faster than industrial ones died with UKIP. Your Brexit is a fantasy.

    For the data see here. https://waleseuroperussiafuture.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-gravity-model-of-trade-for.html

    Anyway imports are what adds to our GDP. Read a non marxist economic textbook anytime from the 19th C onwards and you will grasp why. We get slightly imports from the EU than we export. This is good. They’ve got stuff we want. Burkina Faso, less so, although I sometimes eat cherry tomatoes but I spend more on cheese. Exports are just one way to pay for imports. We have other means.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  274. notanon says:
    @Fredrik

    What’s with the Brexiteer fantasy that it’s the Germans that rules the EU?

    growing up with too much ww2 propaganda – it’s dumb but it helped the Brexit vote so it was useful.

  275. @anon

    Italy, Hungary, Poland, Austria etc don’t want to leave the EU, they want to flip it. Now that the liberal Brits are out, its easier for European nationalists to take over. And once Merkel and Macron are booted out, it’s pretty much game over for European liberals.

    This is the big irony of British progressives complaining about Brexit. Europe is becoming less progressive, yet they want to stay in and go down with the ship. Probably better for them to cement their control over the UK, where opposition to ultra-liberalism is much weaker.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  276. notanon says:

    the UK political elite have been dragging their feet, hoping for a way to reverse Brexit so this is as expected – but it’s not over till the fat lady sings.

    #

    membership of the EU greatly effects immigration and will increasingly do so in the future as the EU is hellbent on transporting half of africa and the middle east to Europe (partly to drown out populist votes).

    1) Merkel opening the EU’s external borders created a flood of “refugees” trying to cross the channel illegally cos generous welfare, housing and most importantly Britain was the easiest place to get an EU passport.

    2) groups who’ve been given EU citizenship or refugee status elsewhere in the EU can go to Britain e.g. somalis from Holland – they go where the welfare is best

    obviously the UK’s political elite are almost all globalists so they support mass immigration from outside the EU as well so Brexit is not a long-term solution to the problem – the only solution is getting rid of the globalist elite – but the main benefit of Brexit has always been the knock on effect it would have on other populist movements elsewhere – there’s no way out for individual western countries – it’s going to take almost all of them together.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  277. notanon says:
    @Philip Owen

    the EU wants an army so it can attack European nations who won’t do what they’re told

  278. @J.Ross

    Those limeys never could speak proper American anyway.

  279. @Podgemex

    No, England, at least, is going to be a Muslim-dominated and majority-nonwhite country that grows increasingly hostile to nonMuslim and relatively white countries.

  280. Anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Let it be noticed that Enoch Powell warned you lot back in ’68 of the dire consequences, should you all go down the garden path of limitless, runaway, out of control immigration.

    Isn’t it widely acknowledged that Powell’s prediction wasn’t borne out?

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  281. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Cagey Beast

    We abolished ourselves. To be fair though, the people who wanted us to be nothing more than interchangeable consumer units had control of the Megaphone. It was as if they each had 10,000 votes for everyone one of ours.

    We fell for the con known as democracy. We were told that democracy would give us control of out ow destiny. It was a lie. The whole purpose of the charade of democracy (in all its forms including the charade of parliamentary government) was to make sure that we would not have control of our own destiny.

    But we believed the lie and we kept telling ourselves that democracy was working just fine and we kept telling ourselves that even though our elected leaders seemed to be betraying us it couldn’t be true because democracy was sacred.

    We also fell for other cons, like freedom of speech (which was only ever useful as a means of undermining and destroying our traditional Christian society) and freedom of the press (which was always corrupt and vicious).

    Americans fell for the con of the Constitution, an anti-Christian anti-civilisational Enlightenment fraud. Britons fell for the con of their magical parliamentary system and thought that things like Habeas Corpus and Magna Carta would protect them even though that very parliamentary system made it childishly simple to abolish every protection and every freedom that they once enjoyed.

    By the time some of us started to realise what was really going on it was too late. And most people still have no idea at all that there is anything wrong. They block out reality with Prozac and porn and facebook and refuse to admit that society is going down the toilet.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  282. Bill B. says:
    @Philip Owen

    Football supporters and skinheads. Followers of Enoch Powell.

    The EU is first and foremast a peace project.

  283. Anonymous[352] • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip Owen

    ‘Imports add to our GDP’.

    Hmmm, an interesting theory.

    The biggest restraint on postwar economic growth in the British economy was always ‘Balance of Payments’ crises, which cropped up with regular frequency, leading to, for example the devaluation crisis of 1967, and the resulting measures taken to try to ‘correct’ the deficit inevitably included deliberate government induced contraction of the economy via recession and high interest rates.

    Really, it was this ‘Achilles Heel’ which stopped the UK from reaching the growth rates seen in continental economies back in the 1960s, and thus EEC membership.

    In the event, UK growth rates were *higher* before EU/EEC membership than after.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    , @Anonymous
  284. Anonymous[352] • Disclaimer says:
    @notanon

    What the UK establishment (Economist) are doing is very deliberate.

    They keep dragging it out as long as possible, arguing and dithering endlessly, until the public are heartily bored and tired of the whole thing, and give up hope and interest.

    THEN they will get their way, in the usual sneaky manner.

  285. Anonymous[352] • Disclaimer says:
    @unpc downunder

    If the EU was a genuinely nationalist construct, which fought for ethnic Europeans the way the Chinese government fights for the ethnic Chinese, then I would change my opinion of the EU completely.

    But, I simply *CANNOT* support the EU – which elevates the ‘rights’ of extra-Euopeans above and beyond the indigenous historic European peoples – as it is presently constituted.

    That’s my real big problem with the EU.

  286. Podgemex says:
    @Anonymous

    Check out the journalist Gemma O ‘Doherty. Anglo Irish bank, Irish nationwide, etc the Garda commissioner , Maurice McCabe case etc…

  287. NZLex says:
    @Pepe

    Only on “news” sites like Buzzfeed do you find the natural fear and hatred evoked by thousands of foreign people showing up in large groups all of a sudden referred to as a “racist backlash”.

  288. Podgemex says:
    @Anonymous

    Peter Sutherland hated Irish people more.

  289. NZLex says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    Wasn’t it because John Howard planned to step down and hand the leadership role to the Abbott? That’s my recollection – and it was that other bloke first, whom Gillard stabbed in the back to take over as PM. Either way, there was never an election that featured Gillard vs Howard.

  290. Romanian says: • Website
    @TelfoedJohn

    Yes, it is. But he was the not-”Victor Ponta” candidate. A goodly part of Romanians are Germanophiles, because their qualities occur in the exact areas where we feel we are lacking. Plus, we do not have a history of ethnic strife with Germans. Even the grievances of the period of Austro-Hungarian domination in Transylvania are laid at the feet of the Hungarians, and Vienna comes out smelling like roses.

    But Mr Iohannis is certainly interesting. He won as a National Liberal Party candidate, but he leads the Democratic Forum for Germans in Romania, which is an ethnic organization similar to a party which has automatic representation in Parliament and can propose candidates and so on. All recognized historical minorities get this (Turks, Tatars, Russians, Bulgarians, Serbs, Armenians, Greeks etc). The Germans are nearly gone, but Sibiu, his hometown, is run by German nationals. And, under his reign, the Democratic Forum claimed itself as the successor organization of the German Ethnic Group, which was a Nazi-established organization in Romania, outlawed in Nuremberg. On this basis, Klaus Iohannis, the President of the Democratic Forum asked Klaus Iohannis, the then-Mayor of Sibiu, to approve the transfer of extensive property belonging to the Group and which had been confiscated by the Communist government.

  291. LondonBob says:
    @Anonymous

    Enoch Powell underestimated the number immigrants who would arrive.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  292. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    There are two upcoming challenges for Europe this century.

    One is managing the transition to full spectrum Chinese and East Asian dominance in economic and industrial terms – alas, there can be absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the EU, Europe, whathaveyou, will be little more than a minor player, a lapdog yapping at China’s heels, in the not too distant future. In this respect its fate is pretty much sealed, and the focus should be on *coping* with China rather than attempting to compete with China.

    The second is coping with the inevitable catastrophe of dealing with massive immigration from the Malthusian disaster of Africa. If Europe has any hope of surviving apart from in name only, then it must set its face like flint against third world immigration.
    Alas, I have *absolutely no confidence whatsoever* in this or indeed any other EU High Command in doing so.

    Therefore, Britain must cut itself off from the EU.

  293. Matra says:
    @Fredrik

    What’s with the Brexiteer fantasy that it’s the Germans that rules the EU?

    When the Germans like the rules – think Greece – the rules are strictly enforced no matter what the consequences. When Germans don’t like the rules – Dublin Agreement on asylum seekers – they are unilaterally tossed aside by the German chancellor. Has the EU ever gone in a direction that the Germans (and French) don’t like? Perhaps you EUphiles on the continent can give some examples. It has regularly gone against the wishes of the Italians, Poles, and British.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  294. • Replies: @Anonymous
  295. @Anonymous

    i remember “The pound in your pocket has not been devalued” also “Devaluation is beginning to work”.

    Quite so. We had exhausted all alternatives at that point. Also the pound was dying as a reserve currency. Not the case now.

    At the time, fixed exchange rates were the problem which drove the balance of payments crises. It was almost as bad as going back to the Gold Standard.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  296. @Matra

    This is why the British have such a long list of opt outs, of course.

  297. Anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    From 1958 to 1973 British exporters were locked out of the richest market in the world.

    Britain had lost its imperial markets and now also found itself shut off from Europe.

    In simple terms, the Common Market was an agreement whereby the French and Germans agreed to start buying from each other things they had formerly bought from the British and Americans. Their economies naturally boomed while Britain’s stagnated.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  298. @ben tillman

    Proper British pronunciation would be “noose” IIRC, although my iPhone just performed a Kinsley auto-correct to “noise.”

  299. Podgemex says:
    @Anonymous

    Health service , housing sector, wages not high enough for cost of living, cost of living horrendous. Certain businessmen and banks sucking the wealth out of the country cronyism is draining the economy, friends of the political class on massive wages and pensions. Certain areas taking over by criminal gangs and yet the so called news won’t report any of it. Mind you when the head of the police try’s to frame another person for pedophilia , is exposed but walks away with a massive pension what do you expect.and of course the police shredding all the files on Anglo Irish bank to protect the guilty. The unemployment rate is supposed to be 5% but that’s a joke. Everything is built on a pack of lies.they are trying to turn Ireland into an American state, privatisation of everything. You need a cert to do anything, eg manuel handling cert , health and safety cert etc just to get a basic low paying job, like a cashier in a supermarket. Just a government tax . Insurance costs through the roof, destroying small businesses. The government is broke but they just seem to be kicking the can further and further down the road. Households debt is way higher than ever, the next crash finish Ireland off as an independent country.

  300. Anonymous[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    have had their lives effectively destroyed in the process.

    What? How?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  301. Anonymous[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @LondonBob

    But there have been no “rivers of blood.”

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @notanon
  302. Anonymous[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Link is broken

  303. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip Owen

    Yep.

    As the Greeks and Italians have found to their cost the Euro currency is the ultimate ‘Gold Standard’.

  304. Anonymous[142] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    ‘From 1958 to 1973′ the *independent* UK had the highest economic growth rates and biggest increases in wages, social welfare etc it ever had in its recorded history – including the booming years of the industrial revolution. It also had full employment.

    In fact 1966 was the peak year ever attained in British history in terms of the percentage of the workforce employed in the manufacturing sector – it was higher than anything the Victorians or Edwardians had ever attained.

    Things started turning to shit sometime around the early ’70s. In fairness the Arab oil embargo probably had as much to do with it as EU membership.

  305. Anonymous[142] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Over 50% unemployment of young adults.

    Thus marriage and family formation is effectively denied.
    Nothing but nothing can destroy a fit healthy virile young man’s confidence more than that.

  306. Lurker says:
    @Philip Owen

    Nope. But your virtue signalling is noted. I’m sure if anyone from The Guardian or the NME is dropping by here, they’ll be nodding approvingly.

    (Did most of Powell’s support in 1968 came from skinheads?)

  307. @Philip Owen

    ” Free movement is India’s condition for an FTA.”

    To which the British response should be, “Go fuck yourselves”

    The advantages of such a deal are far outweighed by the disadvantages. Any nugatory economic advantages (which accrue to a few) are far outweighed by the destruction of social capital experienced by the vast majority.

    One more time.

    “Societies succeed because they’ve built up, usually over centuries, a widely accepted and practiced set of behaviors; social capital built up of predictable actions and attitudes and beliefs. The core of the culture.
    Immigrants; who do not have that ingrained culture are likely to be destructive of social capital and destructive to the host society. Despite the gibberish of the lunatic left most people recognize this and quite rightly reject the attempt to destroy their society in pursuit of a crazed political fantasy.
    Despite this rejection the fantasy continues to be foisted upon the people.”

    and

    “The idea that the US and Europe can be turned into comfortable retirement homes staffed and paid for by pleasant and obeisant, productive and well-assimilated pig ignorant violent fleeing peasants is astonishing, yet that’s what we are asked to believe.”

    As has been mentioned by a wise sage by the name of Bill Jones.

  308. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    But there have been no “rivers of blood.”

    Powell made the mistake of thinking that the British people would fight back when they realised they were being replaced. But the British people will never ever fight back.

    Powell though Britain would end with a bang but it ended with a whimper.

  309. notanon says:
    @Anonymous

    white flight prevented it

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  310. Hibernian says:
    @Podgemex

    Are you referring to Fine Gael?

  311. Hibernian says:
    @Philip Owen

    Can you elaborate on that?

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  312. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @notanon

    white flight prevented it

    Has there been significant White flight in England?

  313. @Chrisnonymous

    “woke up to see Hadrian’s Wall pass by.” I have news for you. The wall never passes anywhere.

  314. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Edward

    I guess you grew up a while ago. Just India’s share of world GDP will be 15% compared to 9% for the EU 27 by 2050.

    https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/issues/economy/the-world-in-2050.html

  315. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Edward

    Aside from that, Brexit has made the United Kingdom a laughing stock. In the European Union, we were a leading influence and very rarely were decisions made that didn’t go our way.

    You’re deluded. 99% of decisions are made by the permanent bureacracy. There’s no “we” in that. Nor has Brexit made the UK a laughing stock. Their laughter hides their envy, especially for the Germans, who now have to carry the bankrupt, corrupt carcass alone.

  316. Dominic Cummings wanted it and he made it happen. He’s a genius and he isn’t quite sure himself, if it was the right call these days. So it’s okay to be uncertain about it (whether it’s good for the UK).
    As a German I’m happy about it (I want a weaker EU).

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