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From the NYT’s new columnist Bret Stephens formerly of the WSJ and Jerusalem Post.

Only Mass Deportation Can Save America

Bret Stephens JUNE 16, 2017

In the matter of immigration, mark this conservative columnist down as strongly pro-deportation. The United States has too many people who don’t work hard, don’t believe in God, don’t contribute much to society and don’t appreciate the greatness of the American system.

They need to return whence they came.

I speak of Americans whose families have been in this country for a few generations. Complacent, entitled and often shockingly ignorant on basic points of American law and history, they are the stagnant pool in which our national prospects risk drowning.

On point after point, America’s nonimmigrants are failing our country. Crime? A study by the Cato Institute notes that nonimmigrants are incarcerated at nearly twice the rate of illegal immigrants, and at more than three times the rate of legal ones.

Okay, so you want to deport African Americans. Got it. …

Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers

In other words, if your ancestors started arriving as slaves in 1619, American doesn’t belong to you in Bret Stephens way of thinking.

— the people who strain hardest to become a part of it because they realize that it’s precious; and who do the most to remake it so that our ideas, and our appeal, may stay fresh.

That used to be a cliché, but in the Age of Trump it needs to be explained all over again. We’re a country of immigrants — by and for them, too. Americans who don’t get it should get out.

I’m sure Bret wrote lots of editorials when he was editor of the Jerusalem Post about how Israel needs lots of non-Jewish immigrants. Right?

 
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  1. Ivy says:

    A country that belongs first to its newcomers.

    Stephens, né Lazarus?

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    I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers
     
    I'm pretty sure I've seen that in the Constitution somewhere.
    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Ah, the American Indians, then, Mr. Stephens? And descendants of Viking explorers next? The irreligious should of course be the first out, in compliance with the First Amendment.
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  2. Rifleman says:

    Okay, so you want to deport African Americans. Got it. …

    Or at least replace them with Hispanics and Asians.

    “You can stay…just stay over there!”

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  3. Rifleman says:

    I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers —

    Can anybody help me with which group of people have been here almost as long as anybody and who have seen wave after wave of “newcomers” pass them by?

    Hint: not the White working class.

    So I guess this country belongs to them…last?

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    Native Americans?
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  4. syonredux says:

    That used to be a cliché, but in the Age of Trump it needs to be explained all over again. We’re a country of immigrants —by and for them, too.

    How odd. I was under the impression that Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin were, as the phrase goes, native-born…..That must be one of the lies that my teacher taught me….

    Americans who don’t get it should get out.

    Perhaps we should retroactively strip Hamilton of his citizenship? After all, he didn’t seem to “get it”:

    “The safety of a republic depends essentially on the energy of a common national sentiment; on a uniformity of principles and habits; on the exemption of the citizens from foreign bias, and prejudice; and on that love of country which will almost invariably be found to be closely connected with birth, education, and family.

    “The opinion advanced in [Jefferson's] The Notes on Virginia is undoubtedly correct, that foreigners will generally be apt to bring with them attachments to the persons they have left behind; to the country of their nativity, and to its particular customs and manners. They will also entertain opinions on government congenial with those under which they have lived; or, if they should be led hither from a preference to ours, how extremely unlikely is it that they will bring with them that temperate love of liberty, so essential to real republicanism? There may, as to particular individuals, and at particular times, be occasional exceptions to these remarks, yet such is the general rule. The influx of foreigners must, therefore, tend to produce a heterogeneous compound; to change and corrupt the national spirit; to complicate and confound public opinion; to introduce foreign propensities. In the composition of society, the harmony of the ingredients is all-important, and whatever tends to a discordant intermixture must have an injurious tendency.

    “The United States have already felt the evils of incorporating a large number of foreigners into their national mass; by promoting in different classes different predilections in favor of particular foreign nations, and antipathies against others, it has served very much to divide the community and to distract our councils. It has been often likely to compromise the interests of our own country in favor of another. The permanent effect of such a policy will be, that in times of great public danger there will be always a numerous body of men, of whom there may be just grounds of distrust; the suspicion alone will weaken the strength of the nation, but their force may be actually employed in assisting an invader.”

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    How odd. I was under the impression that Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin were, as the phrase goes, native-born…..That must be one of the lies that my teacher taught me….
     
    It is interesting how they claim we are a nation of immigrants, but then go out of their way to celebrate Hamilton. If we were a nation of immigrants, then Hamilton would have been no different than Washington or Jefferson and would have been eligible to run for President.

    I wonder if they even realize this plot hole.
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  5. He must really feel that he has a lot to atone for after he didn’t toe the party line on climate change…

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    • Replies: @International Jew
    You beat me to it! If that's what's happening, though, ol' Brett needs to calibrate because this piece is just too nutty. It's almost like something Steve would write tongue-in-cheek.
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  6. “Anti-Semitism” (that is, criticism of Jews) can only have one cause: the mental illness of Gentiles.

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    • Replies: @Johnus0
    The Jews also discriminate against other Jews, just that people don't talk about it.
    , @lavoisier
    Bret Stephens suffers from anti-Gentilism. But that is fashionable today.
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  7. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Written like a true Jew, open doors, pro-diversity, except for Israel.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Bret Stephens supports strict Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY, while he demands massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    How to Bring Down the Elephant in the Room
    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/how-to-bring-down-the-elephant-in-the-room/

    Israeli occupied territories
    https://codoh.com/media/files/cartoon24s.png

    , @TheJester
    The interesting thing about official narratives are the vain attempts on the part of advocates to make them appear bulletproof with respect to their first order rational shortcomings and inconsistencies.

    You see, it's okay that Israelis and their supporters are anti-open door and anti-diversity with respect to Israel but not to the United States since Yahweh gave Greater Israel to the Jews and their posterity in a prehistoric epoch. Israel is the God-given homeland for God's Chosen People, get it. Those who occupied Palestine in the interim are transient marauders.

    Yahweh, on the other hand, did not give America to its original European immigrants. Therefore, European Americans are likewise transient marauders. Therefore, it is immoral and irrational for European Americans to try to justify the same things for Americans that Israelis justify for Jewish Israelis ... mixing apples and oranges, at it were.

    As the Muslims say, Mashallah ... God has willed it! He also takes care of logical inconsistencies that might otherwise bother his Chosen People.
    , @Judah Benjamin Hur
    It's possible he'd be happy about 1 million east Asians or Europeans converting to Judiasm and moving to Israel.

    A lot of liberal American Jews pushed really hard to force Israel to let in Ethiopian Christians whose ancestors were Jewish.

    If you really want to get angry, read the editorials in the Bezos Post.
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  8. “Okay, so you want to deport African Americans. Got it. …”

    Steve, to drive the point home perhaps you could post your observations in the comments section under Stephen’s article.

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  9. Rifleman says:

    In other words, if your ancestors started arriving as slaves in 1619, American doesn’t belong to you in Bret Stephens way of thinking.

    oops. I read past that. That’s what I was referring to.

    Of course as a highly ethnocentric Jew and Israeli it’s not surprising that Bret Stephens sides with the “newcomers” in certain circumstances – Jews in Palestine, Jews in Emma Lazarus land or non White immigrants to the USA.

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  10. anon says: • Disclaimer

    A country that belongs first to its newcomers.

    Like Palestine belongs to the Jews who came there after WW2.

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  11. newrouter says:

    “the people who strain hardest to become a part of it because they realize that it’s precious; and who do the most to remake it so that our ideas, and our appeal, may stay fresh.”

    OUR IDEAS? Perverts on the loose middle eastern religion.

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    ** and who do the most to remake it **

    Love that part. Foreigners to change my country. What joy!
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  12. guest says:

    “Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers.”

    It’s almost as if his above-average not-American-ness has convinced him America is not American, but rather the Nation That’s Not a Nation. I.e. the Nation of Immigrants.

    The quoted passage should be a sort of, “I know, I know, but hear me out,” whereas instead it’s more like a “The following is why you should listen to me, who obviously has a perspective superior to yours (which probably faces out from a pig sty in flyover country, or something).”

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  13. Hugh says:

    Good to see that Stephens has no moral problems with deportation. Put that on file.

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  14. guest says:

    “That used to be a cliche”

    A most convoluted cliche. Was it popularized by the Mad Hatter?

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  15. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    It’s an interesting idea, if you flesh it out, but it’s one NYT readers will sour on quickly once they get past the pro-immigration part.

    What Brett’s proposing, basically, is to manage America like Jack Welch managed GE: cull the bottom 10% of deadwood every year.

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    "It's an interesting idea, if you flesh it out"

    The last-in, last-out aspect doesn't interest me, but the not working hard, believing in God, contributing to society, or recognizing American Greatness aspect does. That's a logical extension of the Proposition Nation proposition. If you don't believe in the proposition, as well as put your money where your mouth is, get out! Otherwise, how to stop the proposition from changing, as it's liable to do?

    Interesting though it is, it's also ridiculous and unworkable. Unless you want to go totalitarian, and dispatch inquisitors to root out the unbelievers. Those who aren't contributing are easy enough to spot. Those who don't believe in Who We Are? You'd need, like, PC times a hundred.

    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    Jack Welsh's system of "Rank and Yank" or as he called it the Vitality Curve was cooked up by the globalist consultant psychopaths at Mckinsey and Company 40 years ago.

    It's popularity is now in steep decline as originally managers were given the task of destroying the careers of 8-10% of their workforce each year. This caused much stress and many a nervous breakdown, even suicides, among the less than completely sociopath middle managers.

    Eventually most companies moved to a "Survivor" style system where each year one's coworkers decided to vote who got the ax. This has now decayed into a system of complete, often very ethnocentric, tribal/clique formation. UHWHITE males regardless of merit or demerit who still value individualism are given the boot by their Asian and South Asian coworkers. Of course the H-1B visa an other "nonimmigrant" indentured servants are given immunity.

    My question is under such a system why is Bret Stephens so sure that folks might just wake up and decide to give "his people" the boot instead???

    Are TWMNBN really so sure that their Latino, Black, Asian, Gay, Femicommunist minions are so blindly in love with them that they can not be turned against them?????
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  16. Dan Hayes says:

    To be brutally frank, Stephens is non compos mentis.

    And even worse, he is published in this country’s newspaper of record!

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Imagine a Michael Moore-style propagandistic documentary that intercut scenes of Brett Stephens, Alex Nowrasteh, and Jennifer Rubin talking about immigration and foreign policy with scenes of carnage overseas from our pointless wars and carnage here from the heroin epidemic, illegal alien DUIs, etc.
    , @Pericles
    Newspaper of record ... what a joke. They've dined out a long time on that one.
    , @res
    Still worse, the Reader's Pick comments seem to agree with him.

    Perhaps the solution is for all of the people Stephens wants to leave group together, invade (oops, I mean emigrate to) the most appealing country they can find, and remake it in their image. Because countries are all about newcomers and their needs/desires, right?
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  17. Anonym says:

    Next they came for the journalists and editors, which was kind of apropos seeing as they’ve had the megaphone since before 1968.

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  18. Njguy73 says:

    cull the bottom 10% of deadwood every year.

    Our country already does that, through the prison-industrial complex and the drug-industrial complex. Just get the bottom 10% to OD or break a law, or make their lives so miserable that they don't bother reproducing.

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    Bottom 40 percent is more like it.
    , @Lot

    Our country already does that, through the prison-industrial complex and the drug-industrial complex.
     
    Early modern Britain did that. The US subsidizes dysgenic fertility with heavy taxation of young middle class couples.

    Caesar Augustus had a bachelor tax to counteract the dysgenic effect of increasingly high marriage ages among the Roman middle and upper classes. Here in the USA, we have $150,000 student loans and marriage tax penalties.
    , @DN Poolside
    That doesn't really work too well in a society where 1 paroled, 78 IQ Dequan can impregnate 10 EBT carrying Lashondas. It's the women who would have to be locked up.
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  19. guest says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    It's an interesting idea, if you flesh it out, but it's one NYT readers will sour on quickly once they get past the pro-immigration part.

    What Brett's proposing, basically, is to manage America like Jack Welch managed GE: cull the bottom 10% of deadwood every year.

    “It’s an interesting idea, if you flesh it out”

    The last-in, last-out aspect doesn’t interest me, but the not working hard, believing in God, contributing to society, or recognizing American Greatness aspect does. That’s a logical extension of the Proposition Nation proposition. If you don’t believe in the proposition, as well as put your money where your mouth is, get out! Otherwise, how to stop the proposition from changing, as it’s liable to do?

    Interesting though it is, it’s also ridiculous and unworkable. Unless you want to go totalitarian, and dispatch inquisitors to root out the unbelievers. Those who aren’t contributing are easy enough to spot. Those who don’t believe in Who We Are? You’d need, like, PC times a hundred.

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    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    No one is seriously proposing deportations of anyone. The purpose of this exercise is to accelerate the disenfranchisement, dispossession, and delegitimating of white Americans. This is why it finds space in the NYT.
    , @Randal

    Unless you want to go totalitarian, and dispatch inquisitors to root out the unbelievers.
     
    Not a problem for the likes of Stephens, I don't think (as long as he gets to identify the targets, obviously).
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  20. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    — the people who strain hardest to become a part of it because they realize that it’s precious; and who do the most to remake it so that our ideas, and our appeal, may stay fresh.

    Is this praise for immigrants, or is it actually the coded way nation-remakers-cum-nation-wreckers flatter themselves and each other?

    That used to be a cliché, but in the Age of Trump it needs to be explained all over again. We’re a country of immigrants — by and for them, too. Americans who don’t get it should get out.

    What if Americans, without being fed the agitprop bile stew cooked up non-stop by Stephens and his native-hating coethnics, understood that it was Stephens who didn’t get their idea of America as a homeland for themselves and their “posterity”?

    Can they make Stephens and his ilk “get out” and go back to (the) Jerusalem (Post)?

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    Our country is so damn precious that they have to remake it. You know, like how they repaint the Mona Lisa every year.

    Do these people listen to themselves?

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  21. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Dan Hayes
    To be brutally frank, Stephens is non compos mentis.

    And even worse, he is published in this country's newspaper of record!

    Imagine a Michael Moore-style propagandistic documentary that intercut scenes of Brett Stephens, Alex Nowrasteh, and Jennifer Rubin talking about immigration and foreign policy with scenes of carnage overseas from our pointless wars and carnage here from the heroin epidemic, illegal alien DUIs, etc.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Like an extended cut of Trump's notoriously anti-Semitic "international bankers" closing campaign ad, focused on "global pundit special interests"?
    , @Anonymous
    That would be considered anti-Semitic. There was some video the Trump campaign put out during the campaign featuring George Soros and others along with rhetoric about "globalists" that was criticized for being anti-Semitic.
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  22. @Philippe Lemoine
    He must really feel that he has a lot to atone for after he didn't toe the party line on climate change...

    You beat me to it! If that’s what’s happening, though, ol’ Brett needs to calibrate because this piece is just too nutty. It’s almost like something Steve would write tongue-in-cheek.

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  23. WR says:

    As a history buff, I cannot think of any parallels (at least in the western world) for certain modern trends. This level of craziness is entirely new. Has it ever happened before in history that the ruling class of a nation actively sought to kick out their fellow citizens and replace them with newcomers? Forget for a moment that Stephens likely considers himself first a Jews and then an American; his attitude is shared by rich gentiles who also despise non-wealthy whites (the undeclared target of Stephens’ article). Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens’ proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so. If you think that I am an alarmist, think about how transgenderism evolved from marginal odd behavior in the late 90s to the most important civil rights issue of our times. A large segment of the population in the West has decided to commit cultural suicide; these people are succeeding and see those who oppose their objectives as their enemies.

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    Forget for a moment that Stephens likely considers himself first a Jews and then an American; his attitude is shared by rich gentiles who also despise non-wealthy whites (the undeclared target of Stephens’ article).
     
    Is there anything else that so effectively misdirects or eradicates noblesse oblige than a hostile takeover of journalistic and academic life, a hijacking of the entire opinion-shaping, issues-setting, history-writing, virtue-defining apparatus by Stephens & Co.? Any Eternal Yankees here? Serious question; anxious to be convinced otherwise.
    , @al-Gharaniq

    Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens’ proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years
     
    Unlikely, but possible.

    and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so.
     
    The Dems would never have a chance of winning a major election ever again if this happened. Hell, they lost because they neglected a sizable portion of the American electorate (for fear of seeming racist, I'd assume). To move from neglect to out-right hostility would seal their fate—I don't see the career politicians going for it.

    If you think that I am an alarmist, think about how transgenderism evolved from marginal odd behavior in the late 90s to the most important civil rights issue of our times.
     
    I've always believed transgenderism became a civil rights issue since the same-sex marriage issue was settled. Transgender civil rights started to become the dominate issue only after the left won on same-sex marriage. Notice also how no one seems to care about gay rights anymore? Whenever LGBTQ issues are brought up, it's really the 'TQ+' portion that's the actual issue; there's no more political capital left in pandering to the 'LGB' crowd.

    I say concede on the transgender civil rights matter—it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously, hopefully leading to a total collapse of this new, ultra PC movement.
    , @Anonymous

    Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens’ proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so.
     
    Becoming? I'd already seen many times during the campaign the rhetorical point that immigrants are more American than Americans who are anti-immigration, who should leave or be deported -- simply because immigrants are de facto pro-immigration and America is a Nation of Immigrants -- from liberals.

    Perhaps most at Stephens' level aren't demented enough to cash out the meaning of Ellis Island as the American Idea (Roger Cohen) to the max -- but it's the clumsy way regular educated liberal folk regurgitate their college pablum.

    , @Jack Hanson
    There's been plenty of times when the ruling class tries to oppress the people it thinks of as their property.

    This time will end about well as those last times.
    , @Peter Akuleyev

    Has it ever happened before in history that the ruling class of a nation actively sought to kick out their fellow citizens and replace them with newcomers?
     
    Ruling classes don't recognize the existence of "fellow citizens". And yes, ruling classes have imported newcomers many times to replace incalcitrant subjects. The US even has kind of a tradition of this - demand for African slaves was high because the local Indians wouldn't follow orders and tended to run away.
    , @John Gruskos
    There certainly are historical precedents.

    For instance, after large numbers of Jews arrived in Medieval Poland, they joined with the nobility and the Lipka Tatars to form a privileged class which took away all the rights of the common people, turning them into serfs. The Polish nobility were ethnically identical to Polish commoners, but they invented a mythological history of themselves as Sarmatian conquerors of the Poles. They dressed like Turks, unlike the commoners who dressed like Europeans. The story of Ham, Japeth and Shem was interpreted by both the nobles and the Jews as justification for their privileged position. Europeans were interpreted as the descendants of Ham, destined to be slaves. Turks and nobles were interpreted to be descendants of Japeth, and Jews of course to be descendants of Shem; together they formed the divinely ordained master race. Built on such a rotten foundation, Poland's economy was always backward, and the state was easy prey to the Russians, Prussians and Austrians in the mid-18th century.

    (The Sephardic Jewish slave traders who, after the failure of the Dutch invasion of Brazil, moved from Brazil to Barbados in 1640, and from Barbados on to London, Jamaica, Charleston etc., interpreted Ham/Japeth/Shem differently: Blacks = Ham, Europeans = Japeth. The Caribbean islands, formerly home to more Englishmen than the mainland colonies, capable of fielding a formidable privateer force against the enemies of England, subsequently declined into plantation dominated historical dead ends.)

    In England, the opposite historical development took place. After the expulsion of the Jews in 1290 the Normans nobles, who really were alien conquerors, came to identify with the English commoners, creating national solidarity and strength. Serfdom disappeared. With a productive, non-parasitic middle class ethnically identifying with both the nobles above and the peasants below, the English economy became the wonder of the world. England and her mainland colonies were the greatest power in the world by the mid-18th century.
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  24. guest says:
    @Anonymous

    — the people who strain hardest to become a part of it because they realize that it’s precious; and who do the most to remake it so that our ideas, and our appeal, may stay fresh.
     
    Is this praise for immigrants, or is it actually the coded way nation-remakers-cum-nation-wreckers flatter themselves and each other?

    That used to be a cliché, but in the Age of Trump it needs to be explained all over again. We’re a country of immigrants — by and for them, too. Americans who don’t get it should get out.

     

    What if Americans, without being fed the agitprop bile stew cooked up non-stop by Stephens and his native-hating coethnics, understood that it was Stephens who didn't get their idea of America as a homeland for themselves and their "posterity"?

    Can they make Stephens and his ilk "get out" and go back to (the) Jerusalem (Post)?

    Our country is so damn precious that they have to remake it. You know, like how they repaint the Mona Lisa every year.

    Do these people listen to themselves?

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    I don't think these people listen to themselves or read what they write.

    Amidst all smug anti-white hatred, this comment stood out:
    Ann from New York
    "I frequently think that people who bemoan the lack of job stability and long for the "good old days" of forty years ago really are not that different from people on welfare. They seem to have expected a company to care for them from cradle to grave, rather than the government; that's the only difference."

    The only difference? So to her, earning a paycheck is no different from qualifying for government benefits. Of course, she's referring to white blue-collar workers, not white-collar "company men".
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Our country is so damn precious that they have to remake it. You know, like how they repaint the Mona Lisa every year.
     
    In a recent thread, our own Jack D helpfully mused: (#204)

    Jews think, X is good but it could be better if Y was different and I will make this known. If I don’t, how will X ever improve?
     
    I was not so sanguine about his choice of the word “improve” …

    The problem is that the “improvements” (like throwing the doors open to wretched refuse, “nudging” the plebs away from the First Amendment and cash currency, etc.) are likely to prove fatal to the host in the long run. And the covetous, oh so helpful new tenant knows this.
     
    Jack told me “I was really missing the point.” People like Bret Stephens are just “misguided, not malicious,” you see.
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    @Dave Pinsen
    Imagine a Michael Moore-style propagandistic documentary that intercut scenes of Brett Stephens, Alex Nowrasteh, and Jennifer Rubin talking about immigration and foreign policy with scenes of carnage overseas from our pointless wars and carnage here from the heroin epidemic, illegal alien DUIs, etc.

    Like an extended cut of Trump’s notoriously anti-Semitic “international bankers” closing campaign ad, focused on “global pundit special interests”?

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    cull the bottom 10% of deadwood every year.
     
    Our country already does that, through the prison-industrial complex and the drug-industrial complex. Just get the bottom 10% to OD or break a law, or make their lives so miserable that they don't bother reproducing.
     
     

    Bottom 40 percent is more like it.

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    I heard Bret Stephens is calling for all African-Americans to be deported to Israel?

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    @Dave Pinsen
    Imagine a Michael Moore-style propagandistic documentary that intercut scenes of Brett Stephens, Alex Nowrasteh, and Jennifer Rubin talking about immigration and foreign policy with scenes of carnage overseas from our pointless wars and carnage here from the heroin epidemic, illegal alien DUIs, etc.

    That would be considered anti-Semitic. There was some video the Trump campaign put out during the campaign featuring George Soros and others along with rhetoric about “globalists” that was criticized for being anti-Semitic.

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    Trump Closing Ad

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vST61W4bGm8&feature=youtu.be
    , @Ivy
    Stephens was part of the anti-emetic school until his recent expurgations.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Is Nowrasteh Jewish? A quick Internet search doesn't mention his religion, but his Iranian-American father co-wrote and directed a Christian movie, so I'm guessing not: http://www.newsmax.com/Hirsen/Hollywood-Faith-Religion-Christianity/2015/05/04/id/642389/

    Anyhow, to avoid claims of anti-Semitism, you can include non-Jewish pundits with similar views, and Jewish pundits with opposite views.
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    I keep hearing about this Bret Stephens and confusing him with this Brett Stevens:

    http://www.amerika.org/politics/core-philosophy-of-brett-stevens/

    I haven’t read all that much there, but he seems to have an interesting mix of very right-wing and very left-wing views, in a somewhat humane way.

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    @WR
    As a history buff, I cannot think of any parallels (at least in the western world) for certain modern trends. This level of craziness is entirely new. Has it ever happened before in history that the ruling class of a nation actively sought to kick out their fellow citizens and replace them with newcomers? Forget for a moment that Stephens likely considers himself first a Jews and then an American; his attitude is shared by rich gentiles who also despise non-wealthy whites (the undeclared target of Stephens' article). Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens' proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so. If you think that I am an alarmist, think about how transgenderism evolved from marginal odd behavior in the late 90s to the most important civil rights issue of our times. A large segment of the population in the West has decided to commit cultural suicide; these people are succeeding and see those who oppose their objectives as their enemies.

    Forget for a moment that Stephens likely considers himself first a Jews and then an American; his attitude is shared by rich gentiles who also despise non-wealthy whites (the undeclared target of Stephens’ article).

    Is there anything else that so effectively misdirects or eradicates noblesse oblige than a hostile takeover of journalistic and academic life, a hijacking of the entire opinion-shaping, issues-setting, history-writing, virtue-defining apparatus by Stephens & Co.? Any Eternal Yankees here? Serious question; anxious to be convinced otherwise.

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  31. gcochran says:

    Bret Stephens is a funny guy. I like him.

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    Examples?
    , @anon
    http://imgur.com/4BkW2Yv
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  32. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @syonredux

    That used to be a cliché, but in the Age of Trump it needs to be explained all over again. We’re a country of immigrants —by and for them, too.
     
    How odd. I was under the impression that Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin were, as the phrase goes, native-born.....That must be one of the lies that my teacher taught me....

    Americans who don’t get it should get out.
     
    Perhaps we should retroactively strip Hamilton of his citizenship? After all, he didn't seem to "get it":

    “The safety of a republic depends essentially on the energy of a common national sentiment; on a uniformity of principles and habits; on the exemption of the citizens from foreign bias, and prejudice; and on that love of country which will almost invariably be found to be closely connected with birth, education, and family.

    “The opinion advanced in [Jefferson's] The Notes on Virginia is undoubtedly correct, that foreigners will generally be apt to bring with them attachments to the persons they have left behind; to the country of their nativity, and to its particular customs and manners. They will also entertain opinions on government congenial with those under which they have lived; or, if they should be led hither from a preference to ours, how extremely unlikely is it that they will bring with them that temperate love of liberty, so essential to real republicanism? There may, as to particular individuals, and at particular times, be occasional exceptions to these remarks, yet such is the general rule. The influx of foreigners must, therefore, tend to produce a heterogeneous compound; to change and corrupt the national spirit; to complicate and confound public opinion; to introduce foreign propensities. In the composition of society, the harmony of the ingredients is all-important, and whatever tends to a discordant intermixture must have an injurious tendency.

    “The United States have already felt the evils of incorporating a large number of foreigners into their national mass; by promoting in different classes different predilections in favor of particular foreign nations, and antipathies against others, it has served very much to divide the community and to distract our councils. It has been often likely to compromise the interests of our own country in favor of another. The permanent effect of such a policy will be, that in times of great public danger there will be always a numerous body of men, of whom there may be just grounds of distrust; the suspicion alone will weaken the strength of the nation, but their force may be actually employed in assisting an invader.”
     

    How odd. I was under the impression that Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin were, as the phrase goes, native-born…..That must be one of the lies that my teacher taught me….

    It is interesting how they claim we are a nation of immigrants, but then go out of their way to celebrate Hamilton. If we were a nation of immigrants, then Hamilton would have been no different than Washington or Jefferson and would have been eligible to run for President.

    I wonder if they even realize this plot hole.

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    If we were a nation of immigrants, then Hamilton would have been no different than Washington or Jefferson and would have been eligible to run for President.
     
    Actually, Hamilton was eligible:

    Misconception: Alexander Hamilton was not legally eligible to become President of the United States.
    The Facts:

    Alexander Hamilton was born on the island of Nevis in the Caribbean. It is believed by some that because he was not born in the United States, Alexander Hamilton was not eligible to become a US President according to the US Constitution.

    However, the US Constitution states in Article II, Section 1:

    No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;

    So according to the US Constitution, there are two ways someone can be qualified for the Presidency:

    If they are a natural-born Citizen (born in the territory of the United States) -or-
    If they are a citizen of the US at the time of the Adoption of the Constitution (which occured on September 17, 1787).
    Alexander Hamilton, who had immigrated from the Caribbean in 1772, was a US citizen (as a citizen of New York) in 1787 and thus falls into the second group of eligibility.
     
    http://allthingshamilton.com/index.php/alexander-hamilton/false-myths-and-half-truths/71-myths-and-misconceptions/164-myths-presidency
    , @nebulafox
    But don't you know your history? Alexander Hamilton was a black guy who fetishized free trade, unlimited immigration/open borders, and an idealistic foreign policy that aligned with revolutionary France rather than those evil, nasty corporatists in London. Aka, A Good Thinker, just like our Best and Brightest.

    Oh, sure, maybe he was in real life the opposite of those things, but haute culture rolls on.

    (If I could highlight each of those clauses to show how grossly historically inaccurate that play was here, I would. The real Alexander Hamilton was actually a far more interesting guy than the play makes him out to be, truly one of a kind. Both in good and bad ways: people who think dirty politics is anything new in the US need to check out the 1800 election and some of the things he did to John Adams. It was actually worse since no modern technology meant you could say a lot more outlandish things about your opponents.

    Still, he's right, Hamilton was eligible. His enemies wouldn't have so fiercely fought against him and vice versa if he weren't.)

    , @Anonymous
    Actually, Hamilton was an immigrant from the tiny island of Nevis. I believe he was the only immigrant among the founders. Plus he was an anti working man banker. Plus his Mother was a Jew. Plus his father is unknown. That's probably why they wrote the musical about him.

    Hamilton was the one who decided that the working class frontiersmen should pay the enormous amount of money the founders borrowed from France with the whiskey tax rather than the coastal wealthy pay back the loans with income and property tax.
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    @Anonymous
    That would be considered anti-Semitic. There was some video the Trump campaign put out during the campaign featuring George Soros and others along with rhetoric about "globalists" that was criticized for being anti-Semitic.
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  34. @WR
    As a history buff, I cannot think of any parallels (at least in the western world) for certain modern trends. This level of craziness is entirely new. Has it ever happened before in history that the ruling class of a nation actively sought to kick out their fellow citizens and replace them with newcomers? Forget for a moment that Stephens likely considers himself first a Jews and then an American; his attitude is shared by rich gentiles who also despise non-wealthy whites (the undeclared target of Stephens' article). Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens' proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so. If you think that I am an alarmist, think about how transgenderism evolved from marginal odd behavior in the late 90s to the most important civil rights issue of our times. A large segment of the population in the West has decided to commit cultural suicide; these people are succeeding and see those who oppose their objectives as their enemies.

    Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens’ proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years

    Unlikely, but possible.

    and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so.

    The Dems would never have a chance of winning a major election ever again if this happened. Hell, they lost because they neglected a sizable portion of the American electorate (for fear of seeming racist, I’d assume). To move from neglect to out-right hostility would seal their fate—I don’t see the career politicians going for it.

    If you think that I am an alarmist, think about how transgenderism evolved from marginal odd behavior in the late 90s to the most important civil rights issue of our times.

    I’ve always believed transgenderism became a civil rights issue since the same-sex marriage issue was settled. Transgender civil rights started to become the dominate issue only after the left won on same-sex marriage. Notice also how no one seems to care about gay rights anymore? Whenever LGBTQ issues are brought up, it’s really the ‘TQ+’ portion that’s the actual issue; there’s no more political capital left in pandering to the ‘LGB’ crowd.

    I say concede on the transgender civil rights matter—it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously, hopefully leading to a total collapse of this new, ultra PC movement.

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    Half of the white population of this country is manifestly suicidal, and all of the other races are being propagandized 24/7/365 to see white people as the enemy.

    Despite the temporary setback of Trump's election, the Democrats' race replacement strategy is going swimmingly. Keep in mind that the Republicans helped them nearly every step of the way.

    The Democrats don't have to do anything but sit back and wait. If mass deportations of non-white immigrants were actually being considered, they might have to fight. So you can see why they contest even the slightest adjustment.

    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    You are absolutely right. World War T, as Steve says, hit about a week after the gay marriage decision of the Supreme Court.
    , @WR
    "I say concede on the transgender civil rights matter—it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously, hopefully leading to a total collapse of this new, ultra PC movement."

    From a logical point of view, your strategy makes sense. Yet, it doesn't work that way. Twenty years ago, you could have equally stated "I say concede on the gay civil rights matter—it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous (such as giving trans freedom to use the bathroom of their self-identified gender) that no one will take them seriously, hopefully leading to a total collapse of this new, ultra PC movement. Twenty years, a trans adolescent was generally perceived as a freak; nowadays in "progressive" HS, s/he can reach the status of cool kid. Once the cultural left declares complete victory on transgender rights, they will seek new frontiers to promote their insanity. FYI, a few of them are already moving into human-animal love territory. I know, as of today, the vast majority of the US population finds this repulsive. Yet, wait till they start regularly writing ground-breaking pieces in media outlets, subtly introducing the subject in commercials, purposely creating cool characters in sitcoms who sympathize with this "totally natural form of love", etc. Remember that they have the megaphone.

    , @bored identity



    "...I say concede on the transgender civil rights matter—it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously, hopefully leading to a total collapse of this new, ultra PC movement."

     

    What a genius idea!

    If the normies just one more time prostrate themselves in front The Gospel of Agressive Regressiveness, and got their hearts and minds open to "high-flying cranes whose intercession is to be hoped for" - the Culture War will come to its end.

    And, although the Ecco Chambering Mighty Dozen will continue to shamelesly peddle their eyes wide shut dejennerism on US and our children, their new demands are gonna be soooo ridiculously ridiculous that no one would take them seriously anymore.

    Right?

    That will totally work, since the left and this new, ultra PC movement had already got forced themselves and everybody else to focus on Transgender Civil Rights Matter ....which is totally not issue so fringe and ridiculous.

    Total collapse is totally inevitable.
    , @guest
    "I say concede on the transgender civil rights matter--it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously"

    That's been the strategy of the mainstream conservative movement for decades, with all its attendant success.

    Transgender rights and the denial of sexual dimorphism isn't fringe and ridiculous enough for you? People made the exact same argument about gay marriage, and the left just kept on trucking. They lose more and more legitimacy the weirder they get, but they're still in charge and I don't want to watch them race civilization to see which will finish first.

    Nothing is too ridiculous that a significant portion of the population can't get behind it. They've already got pedophilia (or at least ephebophilia), polygamy (polyamory), and incest (consanguinamory) lined up.
    , @guest
    "there's no more political capital left in pandering to the 'LGB' crowd."

    I agree with you about the G's, at least. The L's still have feminism, though the white ones aren't much better off than white women. As for the B's, our culture mostly pretends they don't exist. Their role in the alphabet soup is to pad numbers.

    The G's, though, their power has dropped off precipitously. They retain immense cultural influence, way beyond their numbers. But they've run out of Pokemon points, or at least the white ones have. They're losing the intersectional game. Maybe they'll be alienated enough at some point to turn.

    , @bored identity
    And, as virtual ink on your comment is still drying, BBC would like you to focus on some issue so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/3216b48d-3195-4f67-8149-54586689ae3c?ns_campaign=bbc-three&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=paedophileshelp
    , @DWB
    It should have been obvious that this would be the next step, shouldn't it?

    A metaphor about "civil rights" that I've found helpful describes the "struggle" as inherently fractal in nature. That is to say, if you take the war, cut off a tiny piece, that tiny piece will take on the same basic proportions/structure of the larger thing.

    So - here, the struggle for gay (or women's or other group) rights starts as a large, legitimate battle. As the real battles are won, activists focus on increasingly small fights that they insist are just as large and important as the victories that are won.

    In this case, what we start with is the fight for gay people to be free of arrest by the police - basically, the right to exist without prosecution. It moves on to civil unions, then marriage, then adoption. Well, now that the big fights are over, we're left with people seriously arguing about having the right to take a leak in the bathroom of one's choice.

    And THAT is pitched as as critical a civil right as the original fight simply to exist.

    It's non-sense, but the alternative is to declare victory and go home, which puts all the professional "activists" out of business. They would need to go find real employment.

    We can't have that.
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    @Anonymous
    That would be considered anti-Semitic. There was some video the Trump campaign put out during the campaign featuring George Soros and others along with rhetoric about "globalists" that was criticized for being anti-Semitic.

    Stephens was part of the anti-emetic school until his recent expurgations.

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  36. kihowi says:

    Journalists are now in a stage where they’re giddily seeing how far they can go. After the shooting Huffington Post had to delete an article seriously calling for Trumps execution.

    I’m not so sure how much of it is conscious (journalists are from the fat part of the curve), but at some level they realize that in a country of 300 million there’s always a bunch of people who’ll just do what you tell them to. I was very close to the Pim Fortuyn situation that Steve likes to reference, and that’s exactly how it happened. The media hysteria right before had to be seen to be believed. Like in Holland, if Trump ever gets assassinated the perp will first get a very stiff sentence to pacify the masses and then after a decade will be quietly released and given police protection.

    That one guy with the mustache was right: allowing journalism to run rampant without strict supervision that they aren’t in it to destroy society is madness.

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    Journalists are now in a stage where they’re giddily seeing how far they can go.
     
    And those on "our side" will let them:

    John Podhoretz‏ @jpodhoretz

    Shouting down JULIUS CAESAR. Animals. You false conservatives are destroying this country.

     

    Ben Shapiro @benshapiro

    How do you argue against protesters shutting down Murray or MacDonald or Hirsi Ali or me or anyone if you approve?

     

    , @Maj. Kong
    The journalist is a dog that won't go off the leash of their owners. Almost no Old Media outlets are profitable anymore, they need the ongoing largesse of globalist billionaires like Slim and Bezos among many others.

    Get one journolist fired, there will be no shortage of replacements. But get one billionaire imprisoned, like Putin did to the Yukos boss, and it will be much harder to find a replacement.
    , @Cagey Beast
    Great points. Nine-tenths of the time, journalist have "no skin in the game" when they advocate the death or displacement of millions of us little people "out there". We all need to do whatever we can to weaken the mass media's impact on ourselves and others. We need a Manhattan Project level of activity beavering away at the media on the technical, political, legal and cultural creation fronts.

    The media/think-tank/"Deep State" coalition will literally will be the death of our nations if we don't. They will do to us what they did to Iraq and Libya, then retreat to an archipelago of Green Zones dotted across the West an cluck about how some people "just don't get it".
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    As a history buff, I cannot think of any parallels (at least in the western world) for certain modern trends. This level of craziness is entirely new. Has it ever happened before in history that the ruling class of a nation actively sought to kick out their fellow citizens and replace them with newcomers? Forget for a moment that Stephens likely considers himself first a Jews and then an American; his attitude is shared by rich gentiles who also despise non-wealthy whites (the undeclared target of Stephens' article). Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens' proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so. If you think that I am an alarmist, think about how transgenderism evolved from marginal odd behavior in the late 90s to the most important civil rights issue of our times. A large segment of the population in the West has decided to commit cultural suicide; these people are succeeding and see those who oppose their objectives as their enemies.

    Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens’ proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so.

    Becoming? I’d already seen many times during the campaign the rhetorical point that immigrants are more American than Americans who are anti-immigration, who should leave or be deported — simply because immigrants are de facto pro-immigration and America is a Nation of Immigrants — from liberals.

    Perhaps most at Stephens’ level aren’t demented enough to cash out the meaning of Ellis Island as the American Idea (Roger Cohen) to the max — but it’s the clumsy way regular educated liberal folk regurgitate their college pablum.

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    In other words, they fervently commit to a logical consequence of a worldview they've been taught that ought to be a reductio ad absurdum against a Proposition Nation whose leading proposition is Immigration.

    Because that worldview has the imprimatur of College Education, and that beats -- and must continually distinguish itself from -- common sense.

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  38. Too many red pills today. I must be another white trash OD victim.

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  39. @gcochran
    Bret Stephens is a funny guy. I like him.

    Examples?

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    See "Commando". Arnold.
    , @Anonymous
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4AtBBVZ73U

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1qroY4SQLw
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    @kihowi
    Journalists are now in a stage where they're giddily seeing how far they can go. After the shooting Huffington Post had to delete an article seriously calling for Trumps execution.

    I'm not so sure how much of it is conscious (journalists are from the fat part of the curve), but at some level they realize that in a country of 300 million there's always a bunch of people who'll just do what you tell them to. I was very close to the Pim Fortuyn situation that Steve likes to reference, and that's exactly how it happened. The media hysteria right before had to be seen to be believed. Like in Holland, if Trump ever gets assassinated the perp will first get a very stiff sentence to pacify the masses and then after a decade will be quietly released and given police protection.

    That one guy with the mustache was right: allowing journalism to run rampant without strict supervision that they aren't in it to destroy society is madness.

    Journalists are now in a stage where they’re giddily seeing how far they can go.

    And those on “our side” will let them:

    John Podhoretz‏ @jpodhoretz

    Shouting down JULIUS CAESAR. Animals. You false conservatives are destroying this country.

    Ben Shapiro @benshapiro

    How do you argue against protesters shutting down Murray or MacDonald or Hirsi Ali or me or anyone if you approve?

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    Anonymous:

    Not now, nor perhaps ever were Podhoretz and Shapiro on "our side".
    , @Harry Baldwin
    According to John Podhoretz, Ben Shapiro, and David French, conservatives must sit back and endure left-wing assaults with dignified forbearance. Only that way will we eventually earn the Left's respect. To fight the enemy with his own Alinskyite techniques would lower ourselves to his level. Sure it might ultimately defeat him, but is such a victory worthy of us?

    Conservative = Good Loser.
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  41. bored identity will take this tremendous opportunity to remind Brat Cryptolastnameson about some basic Most Important Facts of the 20th Century :

    “You know who also was advocating massive deportations of people who didn’t work hard, didn’t believe in God, and as Tdzak D would say, etc, etc ?”

    Brat already tarnished his Yahve given rightesnous, as a Climate Change Denier, and now this…

    Where are Ei Dee El hounds when you need them?

    Sad.

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    Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens’ proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so.
     
    Becoming? I'd already seen many times during the campaign the rhetorical point that immigrants are more American than Americans who are anti-immigration, who should leave or be deported -- simply because immigrants are de facto pro-immigration and America is a Nation of Immigrants -- from liberals.

    Perhaps most at Stephens' level aren't demented enough to cash out the meaning of Ellis Island as the American Idea (Roger Cohen) to the max -- but it's the clumsy way regular educated liberal folk regurgitate their college pablum.

    In other words, they fervently commit to a logical consequence of a worldview they’ve been taught that ought to be a reductio ad absurdum against a Proposition Nation whose leading proposition is Immigration.

    Because that worldview has the imprimatur of College Education, and that beats — and must continually distinguish itself from — common sense.

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  43. gcochran says:
    @Opinionator
    Examples?

    See “Commando”. Arnold.

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    See “Commando”. Arnold.
     
    Oh yeah, no doubt Stephens said the movie was an accurate reflection of his foreign policy vision.
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  44. eah says:

    I’m sure Bret

    Not a rhetorical question: why do you want to call this cretin by his given name?

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  45. syonredux says:
    @anonymous

    How odd. I was under the impression that Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin were, as the phrase goes, native-born…..That must be one of the lies that my teacher taught me….
     
    It is interesting how they claim we are a nation of immigrants, but then go out of their way to celebrate Hamilton. If we were a nation of immigrants, then Hamilton would have been no different than Washington or Jefferson and would have been eligible to run for President.

    I wonder if they even realize this plot hole.

    If we were a nation of immigrants, then Hamilton would have been no different than Washington or Jefferson and would have been eligible to run for President.

    Actually, Hamilton was eligible:

    Misconception: Alexander Hamilton was not legally eligible to become President of the United States.
    The Facts:

    Alexander Hamilton was born on the island of Nevis in the Caribbean. It is believed by some that because he was not born in the United States, Alexander Hamilton was not eligible to become a US President according to the US Constitution.

    However, the US Constitution states in Article II, Section 1:

    No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;

    So according to the US Constitution, there are two ways someone can be qualified for the Presidency:

    If they are a natural-born Citizen (born in the territory of the United States) -or-
    If they are a citizen of the US at the time of the Adoption of the Constitution (which occured on September 17, 1787).
    Alexander Hamilton, who had immigrated from the Caribbean in 1772, was a US citizen (as a citizen of New York) in 1787 and thus falls into the second group of eligibility.

    http://allthingshamilton.com/index.php/alexander-hamilton/false-myths-and-half-truths/71-myths-and-misconceptions/164-myths-presidency

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  46. Lot says:
    @Njguy73

    cull the bottom 10% of deadwood every year.
     
    Our country already does that, through the prison-industrial complex and the drug-industrial complex. Just get the bottom 10% to OD or break a law, or make their lives so miserable that they don't bother reproducing.
     
     

    Our country already does that, through the prison-industrial complex and the drug-industrial complex.

    Early modern Britain did that. The US subsidizes dysgenic fertility with heavy taxation of young middle class couples.

    Caesar Augustus had a bachelor tax to counteract the dysgenic effect of increasingly high marriage ages among the Roman middle and upper classes. Here in the USA, we have $150,000 student loans and marriage tax penalties.

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  47. Lot says:

    A study by the Cato Institute notes that nonimmigrants are incarcerated at nearly twice the rate of illegal immigrants

    A sure sign of knowing dishonesty. People hear “nonimmigrant” and get the mental picture of the largest nonimmigrant group, whites, and immigrant and think Mexicans.

    In fact, whites have a much lower crime rate than Mexicans. And lower still than other Meso-Americans.

    As Steve notes, the reason that “nonimmigrants” have a high crime rate is that the group includes a lot of blacks, puerto ricans, and native-born hispanics, while the “immigrant” group includes a lot of very low crime NE Asians, whose own very low birthrate means they are not producing very many law abiding native Americans.

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    How could Stephens spin this to say, well say, Poland or Hungary should take in floods of Muslims, who assimilate poorly or not at all?

    No doubt he'd say that Britain and France are getting payback for their colonial period.

    But what about the rest of Europe?

    As for him suggesting people of European descent should return to Europe...well it must be getting mighty crowded in places like the U.K.

    Otherwise, maybe he has a point: Africans back to Africa, Europeans back to Europe. Non Europeans back to where ever they came from.

    I'm sure the remaining natives of the Americas will do a great job of running things!
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  48. This is a 21st-century revival of a solution from the 19th century:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Colonization_Society

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-to-Africa_movement (a.k.a. Black Zionism)

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  49. Lot says:

    I’m sure Bret wrote lots of editorials when he was editor of the Jerusalem Post about how Israel needs lots of non-Jewish immigrants. Right?

    Wrong newspaper for that. But plenty of editorials in Israel call for a “right of return” for descendants of Arabs who lived in Israel proper. That includes the majority of the population of Jordan, who mostly would “return.” Jordan’s per capita GDP is $5,000, Israel’s is $39,000.

    That raises the question, do you think the USA should have an Israel-like policy of encouraging the immigration of compatible-to-the-majority populations? A large percentage of the population of Eastern Europe would come here if they could, but it is substantially harder for a bright Latvian or Ukrainian to come to the USA than a typical Haitian or Somali.

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    That's not analogous. Stephens isn't talking about American Indians with roots in North America. He's talking about immigrants from around the world. You want to be more subtle in your intellectual dishonesty if you want to help your cause. This is a bit too lazy and blatant.
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  50. Dan Hayes says:
    @Anonymous

    Journalists are now in a stage where they’re giddily seeing how far they can go.
     
    And those on "our side" will let them:

    John Podhoretz‏ @jpodhoretz

    Shouting down JULIUS CAESAR. Animals. You false conservatives are destroying this country.

     

    Ben Shapiro @benshapiro

    How do you argue against protesters shutting down Murray or MacDonald or Hirsi Ali or me or anyone if you approve?

     

    Anonymous:

    Not now, nor perhaps ever were Podhoretz and Shapiro on “our side”.

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  51. Wally says: • Website
    @anon
    Written like a true Jew, open doors, pro-diversity, except for Israel.

    Bret Stephens supports strict Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY, while he demands massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    How to Bring Down the Elephant in the Room

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/how-to-bring-down-the-elephant-in-the-room/

    Israeli occupied territories

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  52. Brit says:

    Is part of the issue here that Israel is a land of immigrants in a way that the USA never was. True, there’s a bigger urge to culturally fit in if you are coming in because of your ancestry rather than because of a wish for a better life, but I understand a bit more why American Jewish commentators are more friendly towards immigration. They have some interest and so knowledge of Israeli society, Israeli society is more immigration shaped than US society, Israeli society works and in many respects has more solidarity and dynamism than the US, thus the US could do with more immigration.

    It’s not just granddad getting blackballed at the country club.

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    Bret is in America because he can make far more money here than he could in Israel. His politics is rooted in a deep animus against the native ethnoreligious peoples of the West. If he truly liked the Israeli way so much, he would have never left.

    I would question whether Israel truly "works" better than America, it was founded as a secular socialist state, and yet appears to have completely repudiated its founding.
    , @WJ
    How to immigrate to Israel:
    Go to Israel. If you are the descendent of an Israeli citizen or Jew, or if you have married an Israeli citizen, you are able to apply for citizenship if you intend to settle permanently in Israel. ...
    Prove your descent. ...

    The comparison of the US and Israel in their immigration policies is absurd.

    Immigration to Israel - you can't do it unless you are Jewish. Immigration to the US- all are welcome.
    , @Alec Leamas
    At least conceptually Aliyah to Israel is the reuniting of a single dispersed people rather than a first meeting of disparate peoples with radically different cultures and assumptions from one another and from the host nation.

    I would question whether Israel truly “works” better than America, it was founded as a secular socialist state, and yet appears to have completely repudiated its founding.
     
    I think they found by trial that a secular socialist state probably isn't the best way to preserve a people surrounded by hostiles who are in a cradle race with them.
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  53. This is just pure territorial behavior. This article is no different from graffiti spray-painted on a neighborhood wall by a gang staking out its territory.

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  54. Part of the problem the US is facing now is that the enemy isn’t tied to a state. It’s pretty clear that this Bret Stephens is just a traitor–a simple old-fashioned traitor who has chosen to side against his fellows. The problem is that he hasn’t chosen to side with Krauts, Japs, Reds, or other easily identifiable enemies of the US. His real ally is too nebulous to pin anything on him. Imagine McCarthyism without the USSR, the CPUSA, or any of the other institutional manifestations. Where would McCarthyism have gone?

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  55. dux.ie says:

    For your enjoyment, click on USA in the map http://www.iom.int/world-migration

    and US women dig Aussie men,

    https://medium.com/migration-issues/why-americans-are-leaving-for-the-land-down-under-75bad6dfba39

    “Women in their 20s grew by the largest amount from 2001 to 2011″

    My statistical modelling of the quality of the exchange

    AU,US: out=116.49, in=124.98, IQdiff=8.49 brain gain for AU
    CA,US: out=113.72, in=116.14, IQdiff=2.43 brain gain for CA
    UK,US: out=114.06, in=116.60, IQdiff=2.54 brain gain for UK
    DE,US: out=116.13, in=105.48, IQdiff=-10.64 brain drain for DE

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  56. Pericles says:
    @Dan Hayes
    To be brutally frank, Stephens is non compos mentis.

    And even worse, he is published in this country's newspaper of record!

    Newspaper of record … what a joke. They’ve dined out a long time on that one.

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  57. Everything is clickbait, fake news, status-seeking… We have created an elaborate technological trap for ourselves that turbocharges bad human behaviors.

    What we read used to be limited physically: say for example the NYT, some local paper, a selection of magazines, some mail, and books. That was it. If an editorialist was dumb, we would know to avoid that part of the paper.

    Now we have access to all information everywhere. Sounds good, right? But that means any garbage can get shoved in my face with nary a filter, any time, any day. And it acquires a life of its own: garbage, echoes of garbage, echoes of echoes, etc. In such an environment, it’s obvious aggravating garbage will win every time.

    Result: more and more garbage, everywhere. I appreciate that Steve is posting this because of what it means: “Look! Garbage! Published as if not garbage!”. But it’s still garbage. Tiresome, soul-deadening garbage.

    I wish there was a way to protect myself against the garbage. If there was some institution that I could pay to give me the important and interesting news on a regular basis without subjecting me to the garbage… Ah, I suppose I am just dreaming…

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  58. Kylie says:
    @guest
    Our country is so damn precious that they have to remake it. You know, like how they repaint the Mona Lisa every year.

    Do these people listen to themselves?

    I don’t think these people listen to themselves or read what they write.

    Amidst all smug anti-white hatred, this comment stood out:
    Ann from New York
    “I frequently think that people who bemoan the lack of job stability and long for the “good old days” of forty years ago really are not that different from people on welfare. They seem to have expected a company to care for them from cradle to grave, rather than the government; that’s the only difference.”

    The only difference? So to her, earning a paycheck is no different from qualifying for government benefits. Of course, she’s referring to white blue-collar workers, not white-collar “company men”.

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    "The only difference?"

    What do you expect from people who've been taught all their lives not to discriminate? They can't discriminate between welfare recipients and workers reliant on some form of patronage because they can't discriminate.

    Well, they can probably discriminate between brands of yogurt or sex toys. I'll give them that.

    , @Pericles
    The difference between welfare and working in HR is that those on welfare at least stay out of the way.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    I used to listen to Larry King's late-night radio show in the early 1980s. When a caller would complain about welfare, Larry would ask him if he took tax deductions. Since the caller would invariably answer yes, Larry would say, "Then you're on welfare too. You're taking money from the government."

    Very hard to argue with such an idiotic point of view.
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  59. Kyle McKenna [AKA "Mika-Non"] says:
    @guest
    "It's an interesting idea, if you flesh it out"

    The last-in, last-out aspect doesn't interest me, but the not working hard, believing in God, contributing to society, or recognizing American Greatness aspect does. That's a logical extension of the Proposition Nation proposition. If you don't believe in the proposition, as well as put your money where your mouth is, get out! Otherwise, how to stop the proposition from changing, as it's liable to do?

    Interesting though it is, it's also ridiculous and unworkable. Unless you want to go totalitarian, and dispatch inquisitors to root out the unbelievers. Those who aren't contributing are easy enough to spot. Those who don't believe in Who We Are? You'd need, like, PC times a hundred.

    No one is seriously proposing deportations of anyone. The purpose of this exercise is to accelerate the disenfranchisement, dispossession, and delegitimating of white Americans. This is why it finds space in the NYT.

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    Doesn't mean we can't use it to give them a taste of their own weaponized obtuseness.

    I'd imagine one could find a prog constituency or two who would consider the article fighting words.
    , @Anonymous

    On point after point, America’s nonimmigrants are failing our country. Crime? A study by the Cato Institute notes that nonimmigrants are incarcerated at nearly twice the rate of illegal immigrants, and at more than three times the rate of legal ones.
     
    I bet Bret gets a real chuckle out of the fact that he can write such a thing and rest assured the (((programming))) will kick in so the idiot goyim NYT readers picture lower-class whites, their coethnics, not blacks.
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  60. Kyle McKenna [AKA "Mika-Non"] says:
    @al-Gharaniq

    Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens’ proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years
     
    Unlikely, but possible.

    and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so.
     
    The Dems would never have a chance of winning a major election ever again if this happened. Hell, they lost because they neglected a sizable portion of the American electorate (for fear of seeming racist, I'd assume). To move from neglect to out-right hostility would seal their fate—I don't see the career politicians going for it.

    If you think that I am an alarmist, think about how transgenderism evolved from marginal odd behavior in the late 90s to the most important civil rights issue of our times.
     
    I've always believed transgenderism became a civil rights issue since the same-sex marriage issue was settled. Transgender civil rights started to become the dominate issue only after the left won on same-sex marriage. Notice also how no one seems to care about gay rights anymore? Whenever LGBTQ issues are brought up, it's really the 'TQ+' portion that's the actual issue; there's no more political capital left in pandering to the 'LGB' crowd.

    I say concede on the transgender civil rights matter—it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously, hopefully leading to a total collapse of this new, ultra PC movement.

    Half of the white population of this country is manifestly suicidal, and all of the other races are being propagandized 24/7/365 to see white people as the enemy.

    Despite the temporary setback of Trump’s election, the Democrats’ race replacement strategy is going swimmingly. Keep in mind that the Republicans helped them nearly every step of the way.

    The Democrats don’t have to do anything but sit back and wait. If mass deportations of non-white immigrants were actually being considered, they might have to fight. So you can see why they contest even the slightest adjustment.

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    The Democrats don’t have to do anything but sit back and wait. If mass deportations of non-white immigrants were actually being considered, they might have to fight. So you can see why they contest even the slightest adjustment.
     
    This isn't holding up in real life, though. Yes, the old Democrats would only have to wait for Hispanics to vote for them. What's happening simultaneously is that the Democrats are increasing their ideological purity, step by step. "Automatic" Dem votes require a practical set of politics and they're losing all of those people.

    It will be interesting to see how it all pans out, because I have no idea.
    , @cynthia curran
    What works best is take away the illegal immigrants jobs. I propose doing e-verify every two years which will picked up the illegal immigrants the second time around. This would caused 3 to 5 million to lose jobs. The remaining will be those in the black market which tend to not have offspring as much. Day laborers tend to go home more than prep cooks here illegality.
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  61. @WR
    As a history buff, I cannot think of any parallels (at least in the western world) for certain modern trends. This level of craziness is entirely new. Has it ever happened before in history that the ruling class of a nation actively sought to kick out their fellow citizens and replace them with newcomers? Forget for a moment that Stephens likely considers himself first a Jews and then an American; his attitude is shared by rich gentiles who also despise non-wealthy whites (the undeclared target of Stephens' article). Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens' proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so. If you think that I am an alarmist, think about how transgenderism evolved from marginal odd behavior in the late 90s to the most important civil rights issue of our times. A large segment of the population in the West has decided to commit cultural suicide; these people are succeeding and see those who oppose their objectives as their enemies.

    There’s been plenty of times when the ruling class tries to oppress the people it thinks of as their property.

    This time will end about well as those last times.

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    WR asked, "Has it ever happened before in history that the ruling class of a nation actively sought to kick out their fellow citizens and replace them with newcomers?"

    There's a big difference between that and your example of, "There’s been plenty of times when the ruling class tries to oppress the people it thinks of as their property."

    Oppression is not the same as displacement.
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  62. Stealth says:

    Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers

    I take it the writer is being ironic here. I guess.

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    Nope.

    Serious as a heart attack.

    It's their Sudetengermans.
    , @bomag

    as a country that belongs first to its newcomers...
     
    Thank goodness Bret believes this: I expect he will soon step aside and give his place to a newcomer, and relieve the rest of us from having to consider his dysfunctional meanderings.
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    Fake news. They suspended the adult program while leaving the program for the kids in place. It's under review still. I saw an announcement in another place.
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  64. guest says:
    @Kylie
    I don't think these people listen to themselves or read what they write.

    Amidst all smug anti-white hatred, this comment stood out:
    Ann from New York
    "I frequently think that people who bemoan the lack of job stability and long for the "good old days" of forty years ago really are not that different from people on welfare. They seem to have expected a company to care for them from cradle to grave, rather than the government; that's the only difference."

    The only difference? So to her, earning a paycheck is no different from qualifying for government benefits. Of course, she's referring to white blue-collar workers, not white-collar "company men".

    “The only difference?”

    What do you expect from people who’ve been taught all their lives not to discriminate? They can’t discriminate between welfare recipients and workers reliant on some form of patronage because they can’t discriminate.

    Well, they can probably discriminate between brands of yogurt or sex toys. I’ll give them that.

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  65. @Kyle McKenna
    No one is seriously proposing deportations of anyone. The purpose of this exercise is to accelerate the disenfranchisement, dispossession, and delegitimating of white Americans. This is why it finds space in the NYT.

    Doesn’t mean we can’t use it to give them a taste of their own weaponized obtuseness.

    I’d imagine one could find a prog constituency or two who would consider the article fighting words.

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  66. @Stealth

    Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers
     
    I take it the writer is being ironic here. I guess.

    Nope.

    Serious as a heart attack.

    It’s their Sudetengermans.

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  67. Altai says:

    I bet Bret Stephens works harder and strives harder than those dirt people farmers and coal miners who voted Trump. Just like his ancestors who had to hustle. It was hard, but grandpa Ephraim managed to get enough to eat a day writing neo-con white papers and selling them on the street, some kind men bought them, never even intending to read them.

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  68. @guest
    Our country is so damn precious that they have to remake it. You know, like how they repaint the Mona Lisa every year.

    Do these people listen to themselves?

    Our country is so damn precious that they have to remake it. You know, like how they repaint the Mona Lisa every year.

    In a recent thread, our own Jack D helpfully mused: (#204)

    Jews think, X is good but it could be better if Y was different and I will make this known. If I don’t, how will X ever improve?

    I was not so sanguine about his choice of the word “improve” …

    The problem is that the “improvements” (like throwing the doors open to wretched refuse, “nudging” the plebs away from the First Amendment and cash currency, etc.) are likely to prove fatal to the host in the long run. And the covetous, oh so helpful new tenant knows this.

    Jack told me “I was really missing the point.” People like Bret Stephens are just “misguided, not malicious,” you see.

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    I was not so sanguine about his choice of the word “improve” …
     
    And the question becomes, why in the world do secular Jews feel the need to "improve" things? Who put them in charge of what's better, worse, or indifferent? Who they to judge, really?

    I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on good intentions. The actual attitude does not a get a free pass in my eyes. If the attitude claims innocence, then it cannot avoid it's arrogance.
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  69. Thomas says:

    The search for (((noblesse))) )))oblige((( continues.

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    Tikkun Olam
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  70. @Rifleman

    I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers —
     
    Can anybody help me with which group of people have been here almost as long as anybody and who have seen wave after wave of "newcomers" pass them by?

    Hint: not the White working class.

    So I guess this country belongs to them...last?

    Native Americans?

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    Native Americans?
     
    If you mean American Indians, that's a point of view but not what I was referring to.

    Stephens referenced "a country" not merely a land mass or geographical area.

    So I was referring to the US black population which Steve Sailer mentioned but I passed by in reading his post.

    At the time of the US war of Independence the black population of the US was something like 20% of the total US.
    , @Perspective
    I've seen White liberals use arguments that since the US and Canada are on "stolen land" (evidently they don't believe in right of conquest), it is immoral or wrong to ban people from coming here. They seem to completely overlook the fact that mass immigration also results in Amerindians being displaced by people who care even less of them than Native born Whites do.
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  71. Because my ancestors somewhere along the line were immigrants from Europe, because I grew up in flyover country, and have visited Europe, and have a fondness for early morning espresso, I have always considered Bret Stephens’ stuff as belonging to me first.

    So give me your bank account Stephens, you idiot, and move outta that house that now belongs to me. What? Don’t tell me you are some kind of greedy accumulator 1% corporate legal-based possessionist? That is so 80s Bret, and sort of racist — get w the program.

    Who needs The Onion w the 2017 version of the NYT.

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    Well said.
    , @Clyde
    Bret Stephens is trolling for clicks. He needs a breakout with his new NYT readership which my estimate hauls in $200,000 per year. He's just a roller girl. Taking chances.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXLdRalQJB0
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  72. At least he’s honest about what he wants: the racial dispossession , displacement and replacement of the founding stock of the United States, or at least it’s less prosperous (European-origin) portion. Genocide, in another word.

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    "At least he’s honest about what he wants: the racial dispossession , displacement and replacement of the founding stock of the United States, or at least it’s less prosperous (European-origin) portion."

    And that same "founding stock" held similar attitudes toward ethnic groups like the Irish, Germans, Italians, the Chinese, the Assyrians, and the Slavs. It wasn't about "racial dispossession", it was about "ethnic superiority". You have an annoying way of whitewashing the truth.

    "Genocide, in another word."

    Fake News Story. There is observably no deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation, taking place. But if you insist on foolishly and incorrectly using this term, go right ahead.
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  73. Hunsdon says:

    Well bless his heart.

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  74. Maj. Kong says:
    @kihowi
    Journalists are now in a stage where they're giddily seeing how far they can go. After the shooting Huffington Post had to delete an article seriously calling for Trumps execution.

    I'm not so sure how much of it is conscious (journalists are from the fat part of the curve), but at some level they realize that in a country of 300 million there's always a bunch of people who'll just do what you tell them to. I was very close to the Pim Fortuyn situation that Steve likes to reference, and that's exactly how it happened. The media hysteria right before had to be seen to be believed. Like in Holland, if Trump ever gets assassinated the perp will first get a very stiff sentence to pacify the masses and then after a decade will be quietly released and given police protection.

    That one guy with the mustache was right: allowing journalism to run rampant without strict supervision that they aren't in it to destroy society is madness.

    The journalist is a dog that won’t go off the leash of their owners. Almost no Old Media outlets are profitable anymore, they need the ongoing largesse of globalist billionaires like Slim and Bezos among many others.

    Get one journolist fired, there will be no shortage of replacements. But get one billionaire imprisoned, like Putin did to the Yukos boss, and it will be much harder to find a replacement.

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  75. Maj. Kong says:
    @Thomas
    The search for (((noblesse))) )))oblige((( continues.

    Tikkun Olam

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    What's that? "Takin' all 'em?"
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  76. Maj. Kong says:
    @Brit
    Is part of the issue here that Israel is a land of immigrants in a way that the USA never was. True, there's a bigger urge to culturally fit in if you are coming in because of your ancestry rather than because of a wish for a better life, but I understand a bit more why American Jewish commentators are more friendly towards immigration. They have some interest and so knowledge of Israeli society, Israeli society is more immigration shaped than US society, Israeli society works and in many respects has more solidarity and dynamism than the US, thus the US could do with more immigration.

    It's not just granddad getting blackballed at the country club.

    Bret is in America because he can make far more money here than he could in Israel. His politics is rooted in a deep animus against the native ethnoreligious peoples of the West. If he truly liked the Israeli way so much, he would have never left.

    I would question whether Israel truly “works” better than America, it was founded as a secular socialist state, and yet appears to have completely repudiated its founding.

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    I would question whether Israel truly “works” better than America, it was founded as a secular socialist state, and yet appears to have completely repudiated its founding.
     
    your comment makes sense until you add two words:
    it was founded as a secular socialist state for jews, and yet
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  77. tyrone says:

    to paraphrase a credit card commercial “what’s in your gun cabinet?” the time approaches

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    to paraphrase a credit card commercial “what’s in your gun cabinet?” the time approaches
     
    “War is not ‘the best way of settling differences; it is the only way of preventing their being settled for you." - G.K. Chesterton
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  78. unit472 says:

    Astonishing how liberals seem to believe the United States was a failed state prior to their world view becoming ascendant. That there was nothing really going on here except slavery. Yet somehow the US became the world’s largest economy in 1890 when our population was only 63 million people. That by 1929 90 percent of all privately owned automobiles in the world were in the United States and Canada.

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    Unit, and may I assume that probably 99% of those automobiles were produced in the USA.
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  79. Flip says:

    Booker T. Washington told American industrialists to hire blacks rather than seek out European immigrants in his “Cast down your bucket where you are” speech in 1895.

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  80. Pericles says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    Part of the problem the US is facing now is that the enemy isn't tied to a state. It's pretty clear that this Bret Stephens is just a traitor--a simple old-fashioned traitor who has chosen to side against his fellows. The problem is that he hasn't chosen to side with Krauts, Japs, Reds, or other easily identifiable enemies of the US. His real ally is too nebulous to pin anything on him. Imagine McCarthyism without the USSR, the CPUSA, or any of the other institutional manifestations. Where would McCarthyism have gone?

    Yes … where …?

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    What I mean is, for example, the famous question "are you now or have you ever been...?" wouldn't have been possible and how exactly would they have gone after communists.

    The current problem is part of the reason we had people accusing Obama of being a Socialist, a silly critique in the context of modern democracies--people need labels to latch onto. The kinds of labels we have for Bret Stephens aren't really damning in the public square.
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  81. Pericles says:

    Sure, deport’em to Israel. Done and done, let’s get lunch.

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  82. Stephens may be joking with this sort of thing but many of his readers are not. They think an American is whoever agrees to live under the current-year bullshit and like it.

    But there would still be Americans even if the federal government was overthrown, just as there were still Germans after the last Kaiser abdicated.

    In fact, that’s a good definition of an American. If you would stay here and tough it out, or fight it out, even if the country was taken over by your worst enemy, then you’re an American. If you would flee to your home country or some other country, then you’re just a kind of long-term boarder.

    This is why the Rebel flag drives the libs batty. The people who display it are definitely anyone’s definition of a “real American”, yet they’re rejecting the federal government on some level. That just can’t be allowed in today’s proposition nation.

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    They think an American is whoever agrees to live under the current-year bullshit and like it. But there would still be Americans even if the federal government was overthrown, just as there were still Germans after the last Kaiser abdicated.

    This is a critically important point that's not as obvious to those of us from the Anglosphere as it is to others. The Irish, the Russians and other continental Europeans know that regimes come and go but nations remain. We in the US, UK and former White Dominions have enjoyed such a long winning streak of relative prosperity and stability that we came to forget that fact. We may come to learn it again in the next few years.

    People like Bret Stephens and the Young Turks crowd think Trump is the last chance for the White men who just don't get it. They think once Whitey is finally brought down along with Trump, then the good times can begin again. Maybe it's they who don't get it? Maybe they don't get that the Trump presidency is their last chance to enjoy rule of law under the "First Republic" of the United States? Maybe Bret Stephens -- and the smart-ass judges blocking Trump's travel ban, the members of Congress warming up for the impeachment of Trump and the cute Attorneys-General of Maryland and DC -- don't understand they're dancing as the sun goes down on their playground? Maybe someone needs to tell Bret Stephens this kind of humour will be taken seriously by the kind of people who shoot up baseball practices and by the surplus human resources he dreams of deporting?

    , @Randal
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  83. Pericles says:
    @Kylie
    I don't think these people listen to themselves or read what they write.

    Amidst all smug anti-white hatred, this comment stood out:
    Ann from New York
    "I frequently think that people who bemoan the lack of job stability and long for the "good old days" of forty years ago really are not that different from people on welfare. They seem to have expected a company to care for them from cradle to grave, rather than the government; that's the only difference."

    The only difference? So to her, earning a paycheck is no different from qualifying for government benefits. Of course, she's referring to white blue-collar workers, not white-collar "company men".

    The difference between welfare and working in HR is that those on welfare at least stay out of the way.

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    Lol! True. But I suspect who Ann meant by people who "seem to have expected a company to care for them from cradle to grave" were white blue-collar factory workers, not the loathsome insects in HR.

    I wish the worst on this commenter and all her ilk.
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  84. @Njguy73

    cull the bottom 10% of deadwood every year.
     
    Our country already does that, through the prison-industrial complex and the drug-industrial complex. Just get the bottom 10% to OD or break a law, or make their lives so miserable that they don't bother reproducing.
     
     

    That doesn’t really work too well in a society where 1 paroled, 78 IQ Dequan can impregnate 10 EBT carrying Lashondas. It’s the women who would have to be locked up.

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    DN, that would be an interesting stat. How many of those incarcerated each year are fathers, but not married.
    , @Art Deco
    Again, the total fertility rate for black women in the United States is 2.1 children per woman per lifetime. The median age at which a black woman has her first child is 23.0 years. That's younger than it is for white Anglo women (currently 26.0 years), but about the same as it was for white Anglo women 50 years ago.

    Households enrolled in SNAP (formerly Food Stamps) receive a mean of $250 a month. Lashonda's not livin' large on sums of that dimension. Not quite a quarter of those receiving SNAP benefits are children. About 20% are old or disabled.
    , @Cloudbuster
    The black abortion rate already serves to keep black population growth in check. Blacks aren't really increasing notably as a percentage of the population. They just continue to behave badly, on average, and out of proportion to their numbers, no matter what we try.

    If you removed black criminality from U.S. crime statistics, our crime rates would look like most Western European countries.
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  85. Funny, as a person whose ancestors were fresh off the boat in 1770, I always figured the country belonged to me.

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    My ancestors go farther back than that. 1600ish on both sides, baby! ;p

    American blacks have much more of claim to this country than any Jewish immigrant, including and especially Bret Stevens.
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  86. TheJester says:
    @anon
    Written like a true Jew, open doors, pro-diversity, except for Israel.

    The interesting thing about official narratives are the vain attempts on the part of advocates to make them appear bulletproof with respect to their first order rational shortcomings and inconsistencies.

    You see, it’s okay that Israelis and their supporters are anti-open door and anti-diversity with respect to Israel but not to the United States since Yahweh gave Greater Israel to the Jews and their posterity in a prehistoric epoch. Israel is the God-given homeland for God’s Chosen People, get it. Those who occupied Palestine in the interim are transient marauders.

    Yahweh, on the other hand, did not give America to its original European immigrants. Therefore, European Americans are likewise transient marauders. Therefore, it is immoral and irrational for European Americans to try to justify the same things for Americans that Israelis justify for Jewish Israelis … mixing apples and oranges, at it were.

    As the Muslims say, Mashallah … God has willed it! He also takes care of logical inconsistencies that might otherwise bother his Chosen People.

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    I never thought of it that way, but I think you are right. I've heard or read, "God gave Israel to the Jews" as a reason for supporting Israel.
    , @Art Deco
    You see, it’s okay that Israelis and their supporters are anti-open door and anti-diversity with respect to Israel but not to the United States since Yahweh gave Greater Israel to the Jews and their posterity in a prehistoric epoch. Israel is the God-given homeland for God’s Chosen People, get it. Those who occupied Palestine in the interim are transient marauders.

    About 1% of Israel's Jewish population was born in the United States. American Jews continue to cast ballots for the Democratic Party by 4-1 margins. Barack Obama has a baseline hostility to Israel that none of his dozen or so immediate predecessors possessed while in office (and which only Jimmy Carter has manifested out of office). Ordinary American politicians would generally be quite leery of offering public tributes to a character like Rashid Khalidi. Obama was not. It hasn't harmed his standing in the Jewish population. Rank-and-file Jews in this country are just not intensely invested in Israel's welfare. If Israel was more severely threatened than it is today, they might be, but that's speculative.

    He's an opinion journlist. There are not many people in that trade. It's also perfectly plain that he identifies with his class in society and not with the wage-earners who make up the majority of the population. That's not unusual among professional-managerial employees generally, especially in coastal cities. You'll notice, btw, that he's not living in Israel.
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  87. WJ says:
    @Brit
    Is part of the issue here that Israel is a land of immigrants in a way that the USA never was. True, there's a bigger urge to culturally fit in if you are coming in because of your ancestry rather than because of a wish for a better life, but I understand a bit more why American Jewish commentators are more friendly towards immigration. They have some interest and so knowledge of Israeli society, Israeli society is more immigration shaped than US society, Israeli society works and in many respects has more solidarity and dynamism than the US, thus the US could do with more immigration.

    It's not just granddad getting blackballed at the country club.

    How to immigrate to Israel:
    Go to Israel. If you are the descendent of an Israeli citizen or Jew, or if you have married an Israeli citizen, you are able to apply for citizenship if you intend to settle permanently in Israel. …
    Prove your descent. …

    The comparison of the US and Israel in their immigration policies is absurd.

    Immigration to Israel – you can’t do it unless you are Jewish. Immigration to the US- all are welcome.

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  88. Bill B. says:

    OT

    I finally got around to trying to find out why that community-subsidised-rent residential tower went up in flames in London this week killing about 100.

    Shocked to learn one can legally use flammable cladding to save costs.

    But I also have failed to find a single reference to the massive and continuous inward migration into the UK. Surely there is a connection. How many members of the third-world can Britain afford to house?

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    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/15/wealth-and-poverty-sit-side-by-side-in-grenfell-towers-borough

    http://www.standard.co.uk/Front/london-fire-inside-the-2k-grenfell-tower-flats-before-the-blaze-a3565416.html


    The borough is among London’s most unequal, with extreme poverty and wealth living side by side. Data shows that the vicinity of the tower was among the top 10% most deprived areas in England

    ... The constituency of Kensington ... is the wealthiest in England, with an average income tax bill of £51,000 per taxpayer in 2014-15. The average terraced house sold for £4.3m in 2016. The median weekly household income varies widely across the local authority, from £670 to £1,380.

     


    London fire: Inside the £2,000-a-month Grenfell Tower flats before the blaze
     
    Who knows how many flats actually looked like that but would it be safe to conjecture that the taxpayer is paying a lot of money to secure ethnic minority outposts within well-situated gentrifying areas?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Kensington


    North Kensington is where most of the violence of the Notting Hill race riots of 1958 occurred and where the Notting Hill Carnival started

    ... North Kensington was once an area well known for its slum housing ... but housing prices have now risen and the area on the whole is considered exclusive and upmarket, although expensive residences are interspersed with lower-income areas like the Lancaster West Estate [home to Grenfell Tower].
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancaster_West_Estate

    Many of the estate's problems, it was suggested, 'were drug related,' and in the 1990s the estate also suffered from gun violence ... In an attempt to bring residents together, during a time of racial tensions, the Catholic Archbishop of Westminster, Basil Hume, personally led a Good Friday service in the shadow of the tower block.
     
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  89. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @Faraday's Bobcat
    Stephens may be joking with this sort of thing but many of his readers are not. They think an American is whoever agrees to live under the current-year bullshit and like it.

    But there would still be Americans even if the federal government was overthrown, just as there were still Germans after the last Kaiser abdicated.

    In fact, that's a good definition of an American. If you would stay here and tough it out, or fight it out, even if the country was taken over by your worst enemy, then you're an American. If you would flee to your home country or some other country, then you're just a kind of long-term boarder.

    This is why the Rebel flag drives the libs batty. The people who display it are definitely anyone's definition of a "real American", yet they're rejecting the federal government on some level. That just can't be allowed in today's proposition nation.

    They think an American is whoever agrees to live under the current-year bullshit and like it. But there would still be Americans even if the federal government was overthrown, just as there were still Germans after the last Kaiser abdicated.

    This is a critically important point that’s not as obvious to those of us from the Anglosphere as it is to others. The Irish, the Russians and other continental Europeans know that regimes come and go but nations remain. We in the US, UK and former White Dominions have enjoyed such a long winning streak of relative prosperity and stability that we came to forget that fact. We may come to learn it again in the next few years.

    People like Bret Stephens and the Young Turks crowd think Trump is the last chance for the White men who just don’t get it. They think once Whitey is finally brought down along with Trump, then the good times can begin again. Maybe it’s they who don’t get it? Maybe they don’t get that the Trump presidency is their last chance to enjoy rule of law under the “First Republic” of the United States? Maybe Bret Stephens — and the smart-ass judges blocking Trump’s travel ban, the members of Congress warming up for the impeachment of Trump and the cute Attorneys-General of Maryland and DC — don’t understand they’re dancing as the sun goes down on their playground? Maybe someone needs to tell Bret Stephens this kind of humour will be taken seriously by the kind of people who shoot up baseball practices and by the surplus human resources he dreams of deporting?

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    People like Bret Stephens and the Young Turks crowd think Trump is the last chance for the White men who just don’t get it. They think once Whitey is finally brought down along with Trump, then the good times can begin again.

    What sort of good times do you think he is envisioning?
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  90. the people who strain hardest to become a part of it because they realize that it’s precious; and who do the most to remake it so that our ideas, and our appeal, may stay fresh.

    I didn’t realize the United States was a Mentos commercial. By all means I want our appeal to “stay fresh.” Maybe an ad agency review is in order?

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  91. Bret Stephens is a Jew. Bret Stephens Pushes Nation-Wrecking Mass Immigration.

    This tweet is from 2015:

    A VDARE reader had this to say of Bret Stephens’ mass immigration enthusiasm in 2015:

    “So what about opening up Israel to the tired and poor of the world, in particular tens of millions of God-fearing immigrants from Africa who would love to live in Tel Aviv?”

    Israel must immediately begin importing millions of Third World immigrant invaders. The United States can begin the mass deportation process with a clear destination for millions of Third World immigrant invaders: ISRAEL. The boats in the Mediterranean Sea that are full of Third World immigrant invaders can be sent to the shores of ISRAEL.

    Bret Stephens, after he has his United States citizenship revoked, can be put in charge of integrating the millions of Third World immigrant invaders into ISRAEL.

    The Jews who are now firmly ensconced in the evil ruling class of the corrupt American Empire are going to have to be removed. The European Christian ancestral core of the American Empire will have to do what is necessary to restore order and balance to the governing of the American Empire.

    What more does Bret Stephens and the rest of the anti-White Jews have to do or say to convince you that this particular kind of Jew wants to eliminate you and your family?

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  92. Bitfu says:

    Stephens offers a whole new spin on the Warren/Obama ‘You didn’t build that’ spiel.

    Not only didn’t the people already in America fail to build that, but it wasn’t even built until those who weren’t even here came and retroactively built it. Got it?

    If my construction of this line of reasoning is insane, don’t blame me: I didn’t build that.

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  93. @al-Gharaniq

    Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens’ proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years
     
    Unlikely, but possible.

    and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so.
     
    The Dems would never have a chance of winning a major election ever again if this happened. Hell, they lost because they neglected a sizable portion of the American electorate (for fear of seeming racist, I'd assume). To move from neglect to out-right hostility would seal their fate—I don't see the career politicians going for it.

    If you think that I am an alarmist, think about how transgenderism evolved from marginal odd behavior in the late 90s to the most important civil rights issue of our times.
     
    I've always believed transgenderism became a civil rights issue since the same-sex marriage issue was settled. Transgender civil rights started to become the dominate issue only after the left won on same-sex marriage. Notice also how no one seems to care about gay rights anymore? Whenever LGBTQ issues are brought up, it's really the 'TQ+' portion that's the actual issue; there's no more political capital left in pandering to the 'LGB' crowd.

    I say concede on the transgender civil rights matter—it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously, hopefully leading to a total collapse of this new, ultra PC movement.

    You are absolutely right. World War T, as Steve says, hit about a week after the gay marriage decision of the Supreme Court.

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    Is this sarcastic? Because you sound like you could be making the exact opposite argument.
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  94. @TheJester
    The interesting thing about official narratives are the vain attempts on the part of advocates to make them appear bulletproof with respect to their first order rational shortcomings and inconsistencies.

    You see, it's okay that Israelis and their supporters are anti-open door and anti-diversity with respect to Israel but not to the United States since Yahweh gave Greater Israel to the Jews and their posterity in a prehistoric epoch. Israel is the God-given homeland for God's Chosen People, get it. Those who occupied Palestine in the interim are transient marauders.

    Yahweh, on the other hand, did not give America to its original European immigrants. Therefore, European Americans are likewise transient marauders. Therefore, it is immoral and irrational for European Americans to try to justify the same things for Americans that Israelis justify for Jewish Israelis ... mixing apples and oranges, at it were.

    As the Muslims say, Mashallah ... God has willed it! He also takes care of logical inconsistencies that might otherwise bother his Chosen People.

    I never thought of it that way, but I think you are right. I’ve heard or read, “God gave Israel to the Jews” as a reason for supporting Israel.

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  95. Barnard says:

    One of the comments on the NY Times website is claiming the column is satire. That seems possible, but I don’t know if you can tell anymore.

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  96. Corvinus says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    At least he's honest about what he wants: the racial dispossession , displacement and replacement of the founding stock of the United States, or at least it's less prosperous (European-origin) portion. Genocide, in another word.

    “At least he’s honest about what he wants: the racial dispossession , displacement and replacement of the founding stock of the United States, or at least it’s less prosperous (European-origin) portion.”

    And that same “founding stock” held similar attitudes toward ethnic groups like the Irish, Germans, Italians, the Chinese, the Assyrians, and the Slavs. It wasn’t about “racial dispossession”, it was about “ethnic superiority”. You have an annoying way of whitewashing the truth.

    “Genocide, in another word.”

    Fake News Story. There is observably no deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation, taking place. But if you insist on foolishly and incorrectly using this term, go right ahead.

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    There is observably no deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation, taking place.

    Actually that is precisely what is going on.
    , @Saxon
    Turfing a long-settled population of the land of the country they built is indeed genocide, even if it's being done subtly with government policy over several generations. I get that you're a weasel who's not going to use the actual definition of the term by the man who coined it as that would prove us right, though.
    , @Mr. Anon

    And that same “founding stock” held similar attitudes toward ethnic groups like the Irish, Germans, Italians, the Chinese, the Assyrians, and the Slavs.
     
    Which is surely why they permitted them to immigrate in the first place, right? In any event, don't the founding stock of a country have the right to set the limits of who shall and shall not be allowed to settle here?

    It wasn’t about “racial dispossession”, it was about “ethnic superiority”. You have an annoying way of whitewashing the truth.
     
    You change the phrase at the heart of the guys argument, and then you accuse him of "whitewashing the truth". You have not the vaguest sense of what the word "truth" even means

    Why do you always argue so dishonestly? Are you a congenital liar?


    But if you insist on foolishly and incorrectly using this term, go right ahead.
     
    It is you who don't seem to know what the word means (unsurprising, as there is so much you do not know):

    http://www.un.org/en/preventgenocide/adviser/pdf/osapg_analysis_framework.pdf


    Legal definition of genocide:

    Genocide is defined in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
     

    , @Mr. Anon

    Fake News Story.
     
    You sound like such an aspergery retard.
    , @Alec Leamas


    ...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
    — Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2

     

    Genocide is defined much more broadly than simply killing people of a certain group.
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  97. AM says:
    @Kyle McKenna
    Half of the white population of this country is manifestly suicidal, and all of the other races are being propagandized 24/7/365 to see white people as the enemy.

    Despite the temporary setback of Trump's election, the Democrats' race replacement strategy is going swimmingly. Keep in mind that the Republicans helped them nearly every step of the way.

    The Democrats don't have to do anything but sit back and wait. If mass deportations of non-white immigrants were actually being considered, they might have to fight. So you can see why they contest even the slightest adjustment.

    The Democrats don’t have to do anything but sit back and wait. If mass deportations of non-white immigrants were actually being considered, they might have to fight. So you can see why they contest even the slightest adjustment.

    This isn’t holding up in real life, though. Yes, the old Democrats would only have to wait for Hispanics to vote for them. What’s happening simultaneously is that the Democrats are increasing their ideological purity, step by step. “Automatic” Dem votes require a practical set of politics and they’re losing all of those people.

    It will be interesting to see how it all pans out, because I have no idea.

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  98. WR says:
    @al-Gharaniq

    Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens’ proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years
     
    Unlikely, but possible.

    and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so.
     
    The Dems would never have a chance of winning a major election ever again if this happened. Hell, they lost because they neglected a sizable portion of the American electorate (for fear of seeming racist, I'd assume). To move from neglect to out-right hostility would seal their fate—I don't see the career politicians going for it.

    If you think that I am an alarmist, think about how transgenderism evolved from marginal odd behavior in the late 90s to the most important civil rights issue of our times.
     
    I've always believed transgenderism became a civil rights issue since the same-sex marriage issue was settled. Transgender civil rights started to become the dominate issue only after the left won on same-sex marriage. Notice also how no one seems to care about gay rights anymore? Whenever LGBTQ issues are brought up, it's really the 'TQ+' portion that's the actual issue; there's no more political capital left in pandering to the 'LGB' crowd.

    I say concede on the transgender civil rights matter—it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously, hopefully leading to a total collapse of this new, ultra PC movement.

    “I say concede on the transgender civil rights matter—it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously, hopefully leading to a total collapse of this new, ultra PC movement.”

    From a logical point of view, your strategy makes sense. Yet, it doesn’t work that way. Twenty years ago, you could have equally stated “I say concede on the gay civil rights matter—it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous (such as giving trans freedom to use the bathroom of their self-identified gender) that no one will take them seriously, hopefully leading to a total collapse of this new, ultra PC movement. Twenty years, a trans adolescent was generally perceived as a freak; nowadays in “progressive” HS, s/he can reach the status of cool kid. Once the cultural left declares complete victory on transgender rights, they will seek new frontiers to promote their insanity. FYI, a few of them are already moving into human-animal love territory. I know, as of today, the vast majority of the US population finds this repulsive. Yet, wait till they start regularly writing ground-breaking pieces in media outlets, subtly introducing the subject in commercials, purposely creating cool characters in sitcoms who sympathize with this “totally natural form of love”, etc. Remember that they have the megaphone.

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    No...the next "civil right" (((they))) will be working on is man-boy relationships, then full on pedophilia will be normalized.
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  99. AM says:
    @George
    Trump will allow ‘Dreamers’ to stay in the U.S., reversing campaign promise

    http://q13fox.com/2017/06/16/trump-will-allow-dreamers-to-stay-in-the-u-s-reversing-campaign-promise/


    US to notify Manus Island detainees about their fate within six weeks

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/us-to-notify-manus-island-detainees-about-their-fate-within-six-weeks-20170616-gwsrig.html

    Fake news. They suspended the adult program while leaving the program for the kids in place. It’s under review still. I saw an announcement in another place.

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  100. AM says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Our country is so damn precious that they have to remake it. You know, like how they repaint the Mona Lisa every year.
     
    In a recent thread, our own Jack D helpfully mused: (#204)

    Jews think, X is good but it could be better if Y was different and I will make this known. If I don’t, how will X ever improve?
     
    I was not so sanguine about his choice of the word “improve” …

    The problem is that the “improvements” (like throwing the doors open to wretched refuse, “nudging” the plebs away from the First Amendment and cash currency, etc.) are likely to prove fatal to the host in the long run. And the covetous, oh so helpful new tenant knows this.
     
    Jack told me “I was really missing the point.” People like Bret Stephens are just “misguided, not malicious,” you see.

    I was not so sanguine about his choice of the word “improve” …

    And the question becomes, why in the world do secular Jews feel the need to “improve” things? Who put them in charge of what’s better, worse, or indifferent? Who they to judge, really?

    I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on good intentions. The actual attitude does not a get a free pass in my eyes. If the attitude claims innocence, then it cannot avoid it’s arrogance.

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    From Downton Abbey;

    Conservative Lady Violet to do-gooder Cousin Isobel.

    Lady Violet: You are quite wonderful, the way you see room for improvement wherever you look. I never knew such reforming zeal.

    Cousin Isobel: I take that as a compliment.

    Lady Violet (under her breath): I must have said it wrong.
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  101. AM says:
    @Paco Wové
    Funny, as a person whose ancestors were fresh off the boat in 1770, I always figured the country belonged to me.

    My ancestors go farther back than that. 1600ish on both sides, baby! ;p

    American blacks have much more of claim to this country than any Jewish immigrant, including and especially Bret Stevens.

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  102. bomag says:
    @Stealth

    Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers
     
    I take it the writer is being ironic here. I guess.

    as a country that belongs first to its newcomers…

    Thank goodness Bret believes this: I expect he will soon step aside and give his place to a newcomer, and relieve the rest of us from having to consider his dysfunctional meanderings.

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  103. eded says:

    I don’t think a Canadian columnist in Canada could get even get away with a column like Stephens’. There would be too much push back form First Nations people and their sympathizers against the idea that the country belongs first to its newcomers.

    As a side note I find it interesting that on the national level in the US there is almost no discussion of Native Americans and their issues unlike in Canada. Once Native American sports mascots and and names are abandoned they will have virtually representation in the national culture. It will be as though they never existed.

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  104. I guess we should feel grateful the newcomers we welcomed in behind us merely want us deported rather than dead.

    It really is only about Who gets to live Where and Run things.

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  105. res says:
    @Dan Hayes
    To be brutally frank, Stephens is non compos mentis.

    And even worse, he is published in this country's newspaper of record!

    Still worse, the Reader’s Pick comments seem to agree with him.

    Perhaps the solution is for all of the people Stephens wants to leave group together, invade (oops, I mean emigrate to) the most appealing country they can find, and remake it in their image. Because countries are all about newcomers and their needs/desires, right?

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  106. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “It wasn’t about “racial dispossession”, it was about “ethnic superiority”.”

    Or maybe just normal “ethnic self-interest”, “ethnic survival behavior”, or “ethnic defense” as we see all around us today. Probably an ethny that doesn’t act as an ethny doesn’t last long.

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  107. @al-Gharaniq

    Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens’ proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years
     
    Unlikely, but possible.

    and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so.
     
    The Dems would never have a chance of winning a major election ever again if this happened. Hell, they lost because they neglected a sizable portion of the American electorate (for fear of seeming racist, I'd assume). To move from neglect to out-right hostility would seal their fate—I don't see the career politicians going for it.

    If you think that I am an alarmist, think about how transgenderism evolved from marginal odd behavior in the late 90s to the most important civil rights issue of our times.
     
    I've always believed transgenderism became a civil rights issue since the same-sex marriage issue was settled. Transgender civil rights started to become the dominate issue only after the left won on same-sex marriage. Notice also how no one seems to care about gay rights anymore? Whenever LGBTQ issues are brought up, it's really the 'TQ+' portion that's the actual issue; there's no more political capital left in pandering to the 'LGB' crowd.

    I say concede on the transgender civil rights matter—it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously, hopefully leading to a total collapse of this new, ultra PC movement.

    “…I say concede on the transgender civil rights matter—it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously, hopefully leading to a total collapse of this new, ultra PC movement.”

    What a genius idea!

    If the normies just one more time prostrate themselves in front The Gospel of Agressive Regressiveness, and got their hearts and minds open to “high-flying cranes whose intercession is to be hoped for” – the Culture War will come to its end.

    And, although the Ecco Chambering Mighty Dozen will continue to shamelesly peddle their eyes wide shut dejennerism on US and our children, their new demands are gonna be soooo ridiculously ridiculous that no one would take them seriously anymore.

    Right?

    That will totally work, since the left and this new, ultra PC movement had already got forced themselves and everybody else to focus on Transgender Civil Rights Matter ….which is totally not issue so fringe and ridiculous.

    Total collapse is totally inevitable.

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  108. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Stephens began as some kind of business-y journalist for Rupert Murdoch’s Hong Kong media properties. Though he might have “immigrant parents” they were of the rich, globetrotting professional variety, in the way he is a U.S. national incidentally but spending most of his life in jet-set elite havens. The Jerusalem Post was actually run by Tom Rose, an immigrant from Indiana, and I think it was in the News Corp family at some point. What I’m getting from his screeds over the years is that Stephens is a cosseted, parochial person traveling in un-diverse circles, but constantly invoking the Stars & Stripes imagery like he cribbed it from part of an edited Frank Capra film he watched on a plane. What use would liberal cocoon NYT subscribers have for this yawping poodle conservative?

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  109. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Correction– During the war-fever 90s/early 00s the Jerusalem Post wasn’t a Murdoch paper, it was owned by Hollinger, i.e. about 100x worse.

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  110. @Corvinus
    "At least he’s honest about what he wants: the racial dispossession , displacement and replacement of the founding stock of the United States, or at least it’s less prosperous (European-origin) portion."

    And that same "founding stock" held similar attitudes toward ethnic groups like the Irish, Germans, Italians, the Chinese, the Assyrians, and the Slavs. It wasn't about "racial dispossession", it was about "ethnic superiority". You have an annoying way of whitewashing the truth.

    "Genocide, in another word."

    Fake News Story. There is observably no deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation, taking place. But if you insist on foolishly and incorrectly using this term, go right ahead.

    There is observably no deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation, taking place.

    Actually that is precisely what is going on.

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    Actually that is precisely what is going on.

    In your imagination only, something anyone can verify for themselves by examining demographic statistics for the West Bank and Gaza (as well as the Arab population of Israel). Lying is your hobby.
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  111. fnn says:
    @gcochran
    See "Commando". Arnold.

    See “Commando”. Arnold.

    Oh yeah, no doubt Stephens said the movie was an accurate reflection of his foreign policy vision.

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  112. Steve, I haven’t finished reading the comments yet, but please, in the name of humanity, limit the number of agita inducing NYT articles you publish in a week. I mean, the US Open is being contested and three of the best golfers, McIlroy, Johnson and Day missed the cut.

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  113. Rifleman says:
    @415 reasons
    Native Americans?

    Native Americans?

    If you mean American Indians, that’s a point of view but not what I was referring to.

    Stephens referenced “a country” not merely a land mass or geographical area.

    So I was referring to the US black population which Steve Sailer mentioned but I passed by in reading his post.

    At the time of the US war of Independence the black population of the US was something like 20% of the total US.

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  114. gregor says:

    Let’s see here.
    1) Hollow out communities by offshoring jobs and bringing in cheap labor. Force families to spend a fortune outbidding each other for the remaining habitable areas away from diverse schools and neighborhoods.
    2) Observe the consequent declining labor force participation, pill-popping, etc.
    3) Use said dysfunction as a pretense for calling for yet more immigration.

    Here is the google n-gram for “nation of immigrants.”

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=nation+of+immigrants&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cnation%20of%20immigrants%3B%2Cc0

    Despite being the supposed founding principle of the nation, the phrase appears to have been virtually non-existent throughout the 19th century. The real uptick starts in the 1960s.

    John F. Kennedy wrote (well, supposedly) an essay in 1958 called “A Nation of Immigrants” which was published posthumously in 1964. From Wikipedia,

    The book was originally written by Kennedy in 1958, while he was still a senator. It was written as part of the Anti-Defamation League‘s series entitled the One Nation Library.

    Emphasis added.

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  115. Johnus0 says:
    @Opinionator
    "Anti-Semitism" (that is, criticism of Jews) can only have one cause: the mental illness of Gentiles.

    The Jews also discriminate against other Jews, just that people don’t talk about it.

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    The MSM increasingly goes out of its way to avoid covering infighting between minorities and left-wing sub groups. The obvious ideology gap between Israelis and US Jews being a classic example. Others conflicts deliberately overlooked include:

    Blacks versus gays, feminists versus Muslims, Indians and Jews versus Blacks, liberals versus antifa, and libertarian gays and trannies versus androgynous leftists.
    , @fnn
    http://diversitymachtfrei.blogspot.it/2017/06/israeli-doctors-tested-yemeni.html

    Of course, this was a case of Jews acting against other Jews. Or was it? Note that some of the experiments tested the children for "negro blood". So perhaps those performing the experiments weren't entirely convinced that their Yemeni immigrant victims really were Jews in a racial sense. Imagine something like this happening anywhere other than Israel, and you can easily see how another "blood libel" scandal would get going.
     
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  116. epebble says:

    They need to return whence they came.

    I am not sure what he means by that; obviously, no one can force anyone. However, nothing prevents us from establishing an orderly, lawful machinery wherein persons desiring to emigrate can monetize their citizenship and sell it to a willing immigrant, otherwise well qualified by the rules of U.S. government. Government can set a substantial transaction fee on this and benefit too. Say, $100,000 for a free, voluntary, citizenship exchange where a U.S. person emigrates to Switzerland, sells his citizenship to a well qualified person from China. If established well and fraud free, many persons who are less successful in US or want to retire abroad can cash in their citizenship and live well abroad. That will put an end to the fraudulent E visa that Kushner and family exploit for their building trade.

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  117. @Buck Turgidson
    Because my ancestors somewhere along the line were immigrants from Europe, because I grew up in flyover country, and have visited Europe, and have a fondness for early morning espresso, I have always considered Bret Stephens' stuff as belonging to me first.

    So give me your bank account Stephens, you idiot, and move outta that house that now belongs to me. What? Don't tell me you are some kind of greedy accumulator 1% corporate legal-based possessionist? That is so 80s Bret, and sort of racist -- get w the program.

    Who needs The Onion w the 2017 version of the NYT.

    Well said.

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  118. Don’t let this pseudo-sophist get away with using the wrong terminology. Remember, the correct term for shipping off your own citizens isn’t “deportation.” Deportation means you have a home country to go back to.

    The word he actually means to say is exile – which of course has far more totalitarian undertones.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exile

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  119. @unit472
    Astonishing how liberals seem to believe the United States was a failed state prior to their world view becoming ascendant. That there was nothing really going on here except slavery. Yet somehow the US became the world's largest economy in 1890 when our population was only 63 million people. That by 1929 90 percent of all privately owned automobiles in the world were in the United States and Canada.

    Unit, and may I assume that probably 99% of those automobiles were produced in the USA.

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  120. gruff says:

    Steve, you might be interested in Bret Stephens’s comments in this video. He plainly states that American Jews should use their position in America to do everything to help Israel.

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  121. @DN Poolside
    That doesn't really work too well in a society where 1 paroled, 78 IQ Dequan can impregnate 10 EBT carrying Lashondas. It's the women who would have to be locked up.

    DN, that would be an interesting stat. How many of those incarcerated each year are fathers, but not married.

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  122. Clyde says:
    @Buck Turgidson
    Because my ancestors somewhere along the line were immigrants from Europe, because I grew up in flyover country, and have visited Europe, and have a fondness for early morning espresso, I have always considered Bret Stephens' stuff as belonging to me first.

    So give me your bank account Stephens, you idiot, and move outta that house that now belongs to me. What? Don't tell me you are some kind of greedy accumulator 1% corporate legal-based possessionist? That is so 80s Bret, and sort of racist -- get w the program.

    Who needs The Onion w the 2017 version of the NYT.

    Bret Stephens is trolling for clicks. He needs a breakout with his new NYT readership which my estimate hauls in $200,000 per year. He’s just a roller girl. Taking chances.

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  123. Art Deco says:
    @DN Poolside
    That doesn't really work too well in a society where 1 paroled, 78 IQ Dequan can impregnate 10 EBT carrying Lashondas. It's the women who would have to be locked up.

    Again, the total fertility rate for black women in the United States is 2.1 children per woman per lifetime. The median age at which a black woman has her first child is 23.0 years. That’s younger than it is for white Anglo women (currently 26.0 years), but about the same as it was for white Anglo women 50 years ago.

    Households enrolled in SNAP (formerly Food Stamps) receive a mean of $250 a month. Lashonda’s not livin’ large on sums of that dimension. Not quite a quarter of those receiving SNAP benefits are children. About 20% are old or disabled.

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    Households enrolled in SNAP (formerly Food Stamps) receive a mean of $250 a month. Lashonda’s not livin’ large on sums of that dimension. Not quite a quarter of those receiving SNAP benefits are children. About 20% are old or disabled.
     
    I've helped a single, older relative with no dependents receive benefits. Someone on Food Stamps is almost always on a slew of related programs. If you added up all the benefits, you might be shocked at the amount disposable income they have in end. The relative in question had about $800 a month of income from social security. However, in addition to food stamps, she had section 8 help, heating help, and medicaid. Between all the benefits, she had roughly $400+ a month of money she could whatever it was she wanted to do with it. Every single application only asked about cash income, it never considered a defined benefit as help.

    One of the reasons our "Lashonda" is not married is because her disposable income would go way down if she did.

    It baffles me that everyone quite so enamored and expert on the poor has never helped them directly. If they did, they would know the whole voter ID issue was BS. They'd also know that the US's welfare system is not bad of a deal either, if you can work the system.
    , @Mr. Anon
    And - again - that doesn't matter. The fact is that SNAP and similar benefits subsizie the worst, least productive people to reproduce themselves in numbers greater than they otherwise would - to spawn a generation of thugs who do great harm to society out of proportion to their numbers.
    , @Cloudbuster
    A lot of people receiving SNAP are also receiving other benefits. By the time you add up the SNAP, the Section 8 housing, the TANF, the WIC, the Medicaid (huge) and the utility subsidies, the take isn't half bad. I am a landlord and I have tenants who are part of multi-generational welfare families. It goes on all the time. When they finally age out of parenting, they start going for disability.

    The perverse incentives are the worst. The reason a lot of these women and men never marry is that there is economic incentive not to. By staying single and by the boyfriend not "officially" living with the woman, his income is completely off the books for the purposes of calculating her benefits. Marriage is a penalty.

    The one I have seen get married and get off the dole was more motivated by her own dignity than by the short-term financial incentives.

    She had a pretty good future-orientation for a black, as well, and could see the value of marriage and education in the long term. There's a sizable underclass that doesn't appreciate that at all, or, at least, doesn't have the persistence, intelligence and will to follow through on the knowledge.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    Art, Not looking to engage in a pissing contest, but about 72% of all black children are born to single mothers and I am sure that in some inner cities that percentage approaches 90% or better and 75% of people on food stamps receive other welfare benefits.
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  124. Elrod says:

    Look at it this way – at least they are being openly honest now with what they want.

    They want poorer whites gone. End of story. After all these are the very people who voted for Trump. They might not be down with diversity and multiculturalism. But thats ok, they are just white trash.

    They will justify it any way they have to which means racism, white privilege, being Christian, whatever it really doesn’t matter at this point.

    JUST LEAVE. GET OUT.

    Of course with the whites gone the Jews will continue to stay at the at tope of the elite pyramid because after all they aren’t white except when it suits them.

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  125. @Dave Pinsen
    It's an interesting idea, if you flesh it out, but it's one NYT readers will sour on quickly once they get past the pro-immigration part.

    What Brett's proposing, basically, is to manage America like Jack Welch managed GE: cull the bottom 10% of deadwood every year.

    Jack Welsh’s system of “Rank and Yank” or as he called it the Vitality Curve was cooked up by the globalist consultant psychopaths at Mckinsey and Company 40 years ago.

    It’s popularity is now in steep decline as originally managers were given the task of destroying the careers of 8-10% of their workforce each year. This caused much stress and many a nervous breakdown, even suicides, among the less than completely sociopath middle managers.

    Eventually most companies moved to a “Survivor” style system where each year one’s coworkers decided to vote who got the ax. This has now decayed into a system of complete, often very ethnocentric, tribal/clique formation. UHWHITE males regardless of merit or demerit who still value individualism are given the boot by their Asian and South Asian coworkers. Of course the H-1B visa an other “nonimmigrant” indentured servants are given immunity.

    My question is under such a system why is Bret Stephens so sure that folks might just wake up and decide to give “his people” the boot instead???

    Are TWMNBN really so sure that their Latino, Black, Asian, Gay, Femicommunist minions are so blindly in love with them that they can not be turned against them?????

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    Jack Welch's reputation has declined since he left GE, when it turned out that GE's amazingly consistent earnings growth owed more to Welch underfunding insurance reserves.
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  126. Art Deco says:
    @TheJester
    The interesting thing about official narratives are the vain attempts on the part of advocates to make them appear bulletproof with respect to their first order rational shortcomings and inconsistencies.

    You see, it's okay that Israelis and their supporters are anti-open door and anti-diversity with respect to Israel but not to the United States since Yahweh gave Greater Israel to the Jews and their posterity in a prehistoric epoch. Israel is the God-given homeland for God's Chosen People, get it. Those who occupied Palestine in the interim are transient marauders.

    Yahweh, on the other hand, did not give America to its original European immigrants. Therefore, European Americans are likewise transient marauders. Therefore, it is immoral and irrational for European Americans to try to justify the same things for Americans that Israelis justify for Jewish Israelis ... mixing apples and oranges, at it were.

    As the Muslims say, Mashallah ... God has willed it! He also takes care of logical inconsistencies that might otherwise bother his Chosen People.

    You see, it’s okay that Israelis and their supporters are anti-open door and anti-diversity with respect to Israel but not to the United States since Yahweh gave Greater Israel to the Jews and their posterity in a prehistoric epoch. Israel is the God-given homeland for God’s Chosen People, get it. Those who occupied Palestine in the interim are transient marauders.

    About 1% of Israel’s Jewish population was born in the United States. American Jews continue to cast ballots for the Democratic Party by 4-1 margins. Barack Obama has a baseline hostility to Israel that none of his dozen or so immediate predecessors possessed while in office (and which only Jimmy Carter has manifested out of office). Ordinary American politicians would generally be quite leery of offering public tributes to a character like Rashid Khalidi. Obama was not. It hasn’t harmed his standing in the Jewish population. Rank-and-file Jews in this country are just not intensely invested in Israel’s welfare. If Israel was more severely threatened than it is today, they might be, but that’s speculative.

    He’s an opinion journlist. There are not many people in that trade. It’s also perfectly plain that he identifies with his class in society and not with the wage-earners who make up the majority of the population. That’s not unusual among professional-managerial employees generally, especially in coastal cities. You’ll notice, btw, that he’s not living in Israel.

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    Rank-and-file Jews in this country are just not intensely invested in Israel’s welfare. If Israel was more severely threatened than it is today, they might be

    This is an admission that they are intensely invested in Israel's welfare.
    , @JohnnyWalker123

    Barack Obama has a baseline hostility to Israel that none of his dozen or so immediate predecessors possessed while in office (and which only Jimmy Carter has manifested out of office).
     
    Is this a joke?
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  127. Art Deco says:

    I’m sure Bret wrote lots of editorials when he was editor of the Jerusalem Post about how Israel needs lots of non-Jewish immigrants. Right?

    Leon Wieseltier used to write columns vitriolically denouncing people like David Mellor or Stephen Spender for criticizing British immigration policy and Martin Peretz used to write columns chuffering about how much better were civic nations than ethnic nations. That takes an unusual degree of self-absorption.

    What’s more salient about this chump Stephens is that he doesn’t belong anywhere – not in Israel or in the United States or anywhere else. His surname is an invention from a generation or two back, his wife is a foreigner, and he spent his formative years in Mexico. The Jerusalem Post offered him at age 29 an unusual career opportunity. You’ll notice he did not make his life there. He was in and out in about three years.

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  128. @WR
    As a history buff, I cannot think of any parallels (at least in the western world) for certain modern trends. This level of craziness is entirely new. Has it ever happened before in history that the ruling class of a nation actively sought to kick out their fellow citizens and replace them with newcomers? Forget for a moment that Stephens likely considers himself first a Jews and then an American; his attitude is shared by rich gentiles who also despise non-wealthy whites (the undeclared target of Stephens' article). Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens' proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so. If you think that I am an alarmist, think about how transgenderism evolved from marginal odd behavior in the late 90s to the most important civil rights issue of our times. A large segment of the population in the West has decided to commit cultural suicide; these people are succeeding and see those who oppose their objectives as their enemies.

    Has it ever happened before in history that the ruling class of a nation actively sought to kick out their fellow citizens and replace them with newcomers?

    Ruling classes don’t recognize the existence of “fellow citizens”. And yes, ruling classes have imported newcomers many times to replace incalcitrant subjects. The US even has kind of a tradition of this – demand for African slaves was high because the local Indians wouldn’t follow orders and tended to run away.

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    Nonsense. Ruling classes do recognize fellow citizens ( whatever their degree of citizenship). But the former don't recognize that the latter have any rights or indeed any function except to serve their betters.
    , @Art Deco
    Ruling classes don’t recognize the existence of “fellow citizens”.

    Ours did up until about 50 years ago.
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  129. AM says:
    @Art Deco
    Again, the total fertility rate for black women in the United States is 2.1 children per woman per lifetime. The median age at which a black woman has her first child is 23.0 years. That's younger than it is for white Anglo women (currently 26.0 years), but about the same as it was for white Anglo women 50 years ago.

    Households enrolled in SNAP (formerly Food Stamps) receive a mean of $250 a month. Lashonda's not livin' large on sums of that dimension. Not quite a quarter of those receiving SNAP benefits are children. About 20% are old or disabled.

    Households enrolled in SNAP (formerly Food Stamps) receive a mean of $250 a month. Lashonda’s not livin’ large on sums of that dimension. Not quite a quarter of those receiving SNAP benefits are children. About 20% are old or disabled.

    I’ve helped a single, older relative with no dependents receive benefits. Someone on Food Stamps is almost always on a slew of related programs. If you added up all the benefits, you might be shocked at the amount disposable income they have in end. The relative in question had about $800 a month of income from social security. However, in addition to food stamps, she had section 8 help, heating help, and medicaid. Between all the benefits, she had roughly $400+ a month of money she could whatever it was she wanted to do with it. Every single application only asked about cash income, it never considered a defined benefit as help.

    One of the reasons our “Lashonda” is not married is because her disposable income would go way down if she did.

    It baffles me that everyone quite so enamored and expert on the poor has never helped them directly. If they did, they would know the whole voter ID issue was BS. They’d also know that the US’s welfare system is not bad of a deal either, if you can work the system.

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    How is the voter ID issue bs?
    , @Art Deco
    I’ve helped a single, older relative with no dependents receive benefits. Someone on Food Stamps is almost always on a slew of related programs.

    Not really. The census of the SNAP program is 10 x the census of the TANF program. Section 8, which is such an obsession in these parts, has about 1 million households on its rolls, or < 5% the number enrolled in SNAP. The budget of LIHEAP, the subsidy to utility charges, is < 10% of the budget of SNAP. SNAP is by far the most prevalent of the federal programs for those who are neither elderly nor disabled. There are auxiliary nutrition programs which have budgets which sum to about $30 bn. These are mostly in-kind (school lunch and school breakfast programs) or otherwise restricted (WIC).

    You referred to 'an elderly relative'. Social Security recipients are more prevalent (by a factor of 12) than TANF recipients. Lashonda's not popping babies while collecting Social Security. The median age for awards of old-age, disability, or survivors benefits are (IIRC) 63, 49, and 57, respectively. Only about 20% of those awarded disability benefits have any dependents, much less a baby.


    One of the reasons our “Lashonda” is not married is because her disposable income would go way down if she did.

    Thirty-odd years ago, RM Kaus summarized prevailing schools of thought on the influence of welfare benefits on family formation as follows: the 'bribe theory' (promoted by Charles Murray and, endorsed tentatively by Thomas Sowell) and the 'umbilical cord theory' (which held that programs fed an extant social tendency). After 1996, you cut the size of the welfare rolls by 2/3 through term-limiting it. The effect on the prevalence of divorce and bastardy was too small to measure. And that's not surprising. Messy domestic lives are characteristic of people all up and down the social scale and by 1996 the majority of 1st born children were so out of wedlock - largely to wage earning families who had never and would never have anything to do with AFDC / TANF or Section 8 or LIHEAP (and would collect unemployment compensation or Food Stamps for brief periods only).
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  130. Saxon says:
    @Corvinus
    "At least he’s honest about what he wants: the racial dispossession , displacement and replacement of the founding stock of the United States, or at least it’s less prosperous (European-origin) portion."

    And that same "founding stock" held similar attitudes toward ethnic groups like the Irish, Germans, Italians, the Chinese, the Assyrians, and the Slavs. It wasn't about "racial dispossession", it was about "ethnic superiority". You have an annoying way of whitewashing the truth.

    "Genocide, in another word."

    Fake News Story. There is observably no deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation, taking place. But if you insist on foolishly and incorrectly using this term, go right ahead.

    Turfing a long-settled population of the land of the country they built is indeed genocide, even if it’s being done subtly with government policy over several generations. I get that you’re a weasel who’s not going to use the actual definition of the term by the man who coined it as that would prove us right, though.

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    "Turfing a long-settled population of the land of the country they built is indeed genocide..."

    Our nation was built by Europeans and non-Europeans, mate.

    "I get that you’re a weasel who’s not going to use the actual definition..."

    Genocide refers means the mass killing of substantial numbers of human beings. White people in the States are observably not being systematically murdered. Grow up.
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  131. @Art Deco
    You see, it’s okay that Israelis and their supporters are anti-open door and anti-diversity with respect to Israel but not to the United States since Yahweh gave Greater Israel to the Jews and their posterity in a prehistoric epoch. Israel is the God-given homeland for God’s Chosen People, get it. Those who occupied Palestine in the interim are transient marauders.

    About 1% of Israel's Jewish population was born in the United States. American Jews continue to cast ballots for the Democratic Party by 4-1 margins. Barack Obama has a baseline hostility to Israel that none of his dozen or so immediate predecessors possessed while in office (and which only Jimmy Carter has manifested out of office). Ordinary American politicians would generally be quite leery of offering public tributes to a character like Rashid Khalidi. Obama was not. It hasn't harmed his standing in the Jewish population. Rank-and-file Jews in this country are just not intensely invested in Israel's welfare. If Israel was more severely threatened than it is today, they might be, but that's speculative.

    He's an opinion journlist. There are not many people in that trade. It's also perfectly plain that he identifies with his class in society and not with the wage-earners who make up the majority of the population. That's not unusual among professional-managerial employees generally, especially in coastal cities. You'll notice, btw, that he's not living in Israel.

    Rank-and-file Jews in this country are just not intensely invested in Israel’s welfare. If Israel was more severely threatened than it is today, they might be

    This is an admission that they are intensely invested in Israel’s welfare.

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  132. @anon
    Written like a true Jew, open doors, pro-diversity, except for Israel.

    It’s possible he’d be happy about 1 million east Asians or Europeans converting to Judiasm and moving to Israel.

    A lot of liberal American Jews pushed really hard to force Israel to let in Ethiopian Christians whose ancestors were Jewish.

    If you really want to get angry, read the editorials in the Bezos Post.

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    A lot of liberal American Jews pushed really hard to force Israel to let in Ethiopian Christians whose ancestors were Jewish.

    The Falashas are Jews. It's an antique species of Judaism whose scriptures include only the Pentateuch. Their rituals include animal sacrifice. The groundwork for airlifting the Falashas to Israel was laid during Menachem Begin's ministries and the initiative was the prime minister's. No one from New York or Boston was twisting his arm.
    , @Bill
    It's odd how everyone takes for granted that atheists with Jewish ancestors are Jews but Christians with Jewish ancestors are not. It's almost as if "Judaism" is racism conjoined with Christian hatred.
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  133. nebulafox says:
    @anonymous

    How odd. I was under the impression that Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin were, as the phrase goes, native-born…..That must be one of the lies that my teacher taught me….
     
    It is interesting how they claim we are a nation of immigrants, but then go out of their way to celebrate Hamilton. If we were a nation of immigrants, then Hamilton would have been no different than Washington or Jefferson and would have been eligible to run for President.

    I wonder if they even realize this plot hole.

    But don’t you know your history? Alexander Hamilton was a black guy who fetishized free trade, unlimited immigration/open borders, and an idealistic foreign policy that aligned with revolutionary France rather than those evil, nasty corporatists in London. Aka, A Good Thinker, just like our Best and Brightest.

    Oh, sure, maybe he was in real life the opposite of those things, but haute culture rolls on.

    (If I could highlight each of those clauses to show how grossly historically inaccurate that play was here, I would. The real Alexander Hamilton was actually a far more interesting guy than the play makes him out to be, truly one of a kind. Both in good and bad ways: people who think dirty politics is anything new in the US need to check out the 1800 election and some of the things he did to John Adams. It was actually worse since no modern technology meant you could say a lot more outlandish things about your opponents.

    Still, he’s right, Hamilton was eligible. His enemies wouldn’t have so fiercely fought against him and vice versa if he weren’t.)

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  134. J1234 says:
    @Ivy

    A country that belongs first to its newcomers.
     
    Stephens, né Lazarus?

    I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers

    I’m pretty sure I’ve seen that in the Constitution somewhere.

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  135. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Opinionator
    Examples?

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  136. Sean says:

    A study by the Cato Institute notes that nonimmigrants are incarcerated at nearly twice the rate of illegal immigrants,

    He implies whites, but its actually third generation Hispanic and other immigrants, who fail in the culturally permissive US because they need the strict culture of their ancestral homeland to perform adequately ; they lack genetic adaptation for self control. There is plenty of evidence of progressively worse outcomes for Mexicans ect in education, health and crime. It’s called negative assimilation.

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    Very good point, 2nd and 3rd generation Latinos are more into gangs and have Diabetes more than their parents. However, Cato ignores the 2nd and 3rd generation.
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  137. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Lot

    I’m sure Bret wrote lots of editorials when he was editor of the Jerusalem Post about how Israel needs lots of non-Jewish immigrants. Right?
     
    Wrong newspaper for that. But plenty of editorials in Israel call for a "right of return" for descendants of Arabs who lived in Israel proper. That includes the majority of the population of Jordan, who mostly would "return." Jordan's per capita GDP is $5,000, Israel's is $39,000.

    That raises the question, do you think the USA should have an Israel-like policy of encouraging the immigration of compatible-to-the-majority populations? A large percentage of the population of Eastern Europe would come here if they could, but it is substantially harder for a bright Latvian or Ukrainian to come to the USA than a typical Haitian or Somali.

    That’s not analogous. Stephens isn’t talking about American Indians with roots in North America. He’s talking about immigrants from around the world. You want to be more subtle in your intellectual dishonesty if you want to help your cause. This is a bit too lazy and blatant.

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  138. ‘Pity that someone took a cheap-shot by saying this was about deporting African Americans. That was not the author’s intention. This is the most brilliant piece of sarcasm I have ever seen, and I am an octogenarian WASP. The humor is magnificent. When ICE comes after me, I’ll have to choose between Germany or Norway if either will have me. I trust that my wife will be able to find a fine young immigrant like herself for a husband. She has assured me that she will be just fine. Reluctantly, I am packing my bags.

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  139. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    Again, the total fertility rate for black women in the United States is 2.1 children per woman per lifetime. The median age at which a black woman has her first child is 23.0 years. That's younger than it is for white Anglo women (currently 26.0 years), but about the same as it was for white Anglo women 50 years ago.

    Households enrolled in SNAP (formerly Food Stamps) receive a mean of $250 a month. Lashonda's not livin' large on sums of that dimension. Not quite a quarter of those receiving SNAP benefits are children. About 20% are old or disabled.

    And – again – that doesn’t matter. The fact is that SNAP and similar benefits subsizie the worst, least productive people to reproduce themselves in numbers greater than they otherwise would – to spawn a generation of thugs who do great harm to society out of proportion to their numbers.

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    Over the last 40-odd years, the share of personal income devoted to groceries has declined from 15% to 6% as society has grown more affluent. The observable effect of the affordability of groceries on total fertility rates has been nil, as is the number of people you're going to find who will refrain from having a kid for want of $125 a month in grocery subsidies.
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  140. JohnnyD says:

    So, basically America was created to make illegal immigrants, Muslim refugees, and Jewish pundits feel comfortable. Thanks for clearing that up, Mr. Stephens!

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  141. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @kihowi
    Journalists are now in a stage where they're giddily seeing how far they can go. After the shooting Huffington Post had to delete an article seriously calling for Trumps execution.

    I'm not so sure how much of it is conscious (journalists are from the fat part of the curve), but at some level they realize that in a country of 300 million there's always a bunch of people who'll just do what you tell them to. I was very close to the Pim Fortuyn situation that Steve likes to reference, and that's exactly how it happened. The media hysteria right before had to be seen to be believed. Like in Holland, if Trump ever gets assassinated the perp will first get a very stiff sentence to pacify the masses and then after a decade will be quietly released and given police protection.

    That one guy with the mustache was right: allowing journalism to run rampant without strict supervision that they aren't in it to destroy society is madness.

    Great points. Nine-tenths of the time, journalist have “no skin in the game” when they advocate the death or displacement of millions of us little people “out there”. We all need to do whatever we can to weaken the mass media’s impact on ourselves and others. We need a Manhattan Project level of activity beavering away at the media on the technical, political, legal and cultural creation fronts.

    The media/think-tank/”Deep State” coalition will literally will be the death of our nations if we don’t. They will do to us what they did to Iraq and Libya, then retreat to an archipelago of Green Zones dotted across the West an cluck about how some people “just don’t get it”.

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  142. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "At least he’s honest about what he wants: the racial dispossession , displacement and replacement of the founding stock of the United States, or at least it’s less prosperous (European-origin) portion."

    And that same "founding stock" held similar attitudes toward ethnic groups like the Irish, Germans, Italians, the Chinese, the Assyrians, and the Slavs. It wasn't about "racial dispossession", it was about "ethnic superiority". You have an annoying way of whitewashing the truth.

    "Genocide, in another word."

    Fake News Story. There is observably no deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation, taking place. But if you insist on foolishly and incorrectly using this term, go right ahead.

    And that same “founding stock” held similar attitudes toward ethnic groups like the Irish, Germans, Italians, the Chinese, the Assyrians, and the Slavs.

    Which is surely why they permitted them to immigrate in the first place, right? In any event, don’t the founding stock of a country have the right to set the limits of who shall and shall not be allowed to settle here?

    It wasn’t about “racial dispossession”, it was about “ethnic superiority”. You have an annoying way of whitewashing the truth.

    You change the phrase at the heart of the guys argument, and then you accuse him of “whitewashing the truth”. You have not the vaguest sense of what the word “truth” even means

    Why do you always argue so dishonestly? Are you a congenital liar?

    But if you insist on foolishly and incorrectly using this term, go right ahead.

    It is you who don’t seem to know what the word means (unsurprising, as there is so much you do not know):

    http://www.un.org/en/preventgenocide/adviser/pdf/osapg_analysis_framework.pdf

    Legal definition of genocide:

    Genocide is defined in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948) as “any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

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    "In any event, don’t the founding stock of a country have the right to set the limits of who shall and shall not be allowed to settle here?"

    American citizens, which includes those ethnic groups who helped to build American in its early stages, of course have the liberty to make laws that limit people from entering our nation. I have always recognized this right.

    "You change the phrase at the heart of the guys argument..."

    No, I properly corrected him.

    "in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group"

    White people are not physically or legally being prevented from having children.
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  143. A key mistaken strategy is doubling down on the very narrative so obviously rejected buy half the voters last year. It would seem smarter to smooth out the message a little bit, make it more subtle. By making proposals more and more extreme, our enemies indelibly mark themselves as OUR enemies. If push really does come to shove – and it seems our betters want it that way – ‘mark’ shifts to ‘target’. In their arrogance, they are vulnerable.

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  144. Kylie says:
    @Pericles
    The difference between welfare and working in HR is that those on welfare at least stay out of the way.

    Lol! True. But I suspect who Ann meant by people who “seem to have expected a company to care for them from cradle to grave” were white blue-collar factory workers, not the loathsome insects in HR.

    I wish the worst on this commenter and all her ilk.

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  145. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "At least he’s honest about what he wants: the racial dispossession , displacement and replacement of the founding stock of the United States, or at least it’s less prosperous (European-origin) portion."

    And that same "founding stock" held similar attitudes toward ethnic groups like the Irish, Germans, Italians, the Chinese, the Assyrians, and the Slavs. It wasn't about "racial dispossession", it was about "ethnic superiority". You have an annoying way of whitewashing the truth.

    "Genocide, in another word."

    Fake News Story. There is observably no deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation, taking place. But if you insist on foolishly and incorrectly using this term, go right ahead.

    Fake News Story.

    You sound like such an aspergery retard.

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    You sound like such an aspergery retard.
     
    I thought retards weren't smart enough to be aspergery.
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  146. Kylie says:
    @Jack Hanson
    There's been plenty of times when the ruling class tries to oppress the people it thinks of as their property.

    This time will end about well as those last times.

    WR asked, “Has it ever happened before in history that the ruling class of a nation actively sought to kick out their fellow citizens and replace them with newcomers?”

    There’s a big difference between that and your example of, “There’s been plenty of times when the ruling class tries to oppress the people it thinks of as their property.”

    Oppression is not the same as displacement.

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    Oppression is often directly related to deliberate displacement, whether internal or external. The oppression can be indirect. Engineering open borders and diverting citizens’ tax revenue to support invaders is oppression against natives not down with their own demographic displacement. The key word is “property” and the whim of the presumptive owner to keep, sell, discard, or destroy it.
    , @Jack Hanson
    I don't understand why you're splitting hairs over semantics when the end result is going to be the same.
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  147. Kylie says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Has it ever happened before in history that the ruling class of a nation actively sought to kick out their fellow citizens and replace them with newcomers?
     
    Ruling classes don't recognize the existence of "fellow citizens". And yes, ruling classes have imported newcomers many times to replace incalcitrant subjects. The US even has kind of a tradition of this - demand for African slaves was high because the local Indians wouldn't follow orders and tended to run away.

    Nonsense. Ruling classes do recognize fellow citizens ( whatever their degree of citizenship). But the former don’t recognize that the latter have any rights or indeed any function except to serve their betters.

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    I think the above poster's point hinged on "fellow," which strictly means "of the same kind." If the elite and Johnny Deepindebt are both citizens, then they're fellows insofar as that goes. They're also alike in that they each possess one head and one heart, but such similarities hardly matter to John Q. Bankington.

    Fellowship connotes friendship and comradeship, and there's very little of that between different kinds of U.S. citizens, I find. Except in the abstract, most heartfelt for a couple of minutes after major disasters.

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  148. Curle says:

    Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers

    I hope ‘conservatives’ like Stevens continue saying this loudly and often. It is best to have notice when an enemy approaches.

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    What Stephens is saying is, "As a non-American, I believe America belongs to non-Americans."

    What could be crazier than that?

    It speaks volumes about the power of the megaphone to manipulate minds that something so obviously and egregiously wrong could be published with the expectation that it could change minds.
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  149. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Here’s a more honest version of this nasty shot across our bow by Stephens:

    Dear White American goyim,

    The Jewish dream of an America without boring, backward, reactionary white bread is righteous and eternal. It is the New American Dream and you need to accept it. Or else.

    Writings like mine, while painful to read at first, are designed to change your psychology as regarding your own deportation from the country that your ancestors built. This is the only way for you to begin addressing your guilt: you must leave.

    Sincerely,

    Bret

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  150. guest says:
    @Kylie
    Nonsense. Ruling classes do recognize fellow citizens ( whatever their degree of citizenship). But the former don't recognize that the latter have any rights or indeed any function except to serve their betters.

    I think the above poster’s point hinged on “fellow,” which strictly means “of the same kind.” If the elite and Johnny Deepindebt are both citizens, then they’re fellows insofar as that goes. They’re also alike in that they each possess one head and one heart, but such similarities hardly matter to John Q. Bankington.

    Fellowship connotes friendship and comradeship, and there’s very little of that between different kinds of U.S. citizens, I find. Except in the abstract, most heartfelt for a couple of minutes after major disasters.

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    I see. Thanks for the clarification.
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  151. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Re noblesse oblige:

    Stop projecting your quaint Christian universalist values onto America’s new elite, an elite who are informed by a very different culture.

    There is zero obligation –let alone a noble obligation– to Amalek!

    The rabbis have made this very clear! The Torah is clear. No need for Talmudic extrapolations.

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  152. Randal says:
    @guest
    "It's an interesting idea, if you flesh it out"

    The last-in, last-out aspect doesn't interest me, but the not working hard, believing in God, contributing to society, or recognizing American Greatness aspect does. That's a logical extension of the Proposition Nation proposition. If you don't believe in the proposition, as well as put your money where your mouth is, get out! Otherwise, how to stop the proposition from changing, as it's liable to do?

    Interesting though it is, it's also ridiculous and unworkable. Unless you want to go totalitarian, and dispatch inquisitors to root out the unbelievers. Those who aren't contributing are easy enough to spot. Those who don't believe in Who We Are? You'd need, like, PC times a hundred.

    Unless you want to go totalitarian, and dispatch inquisitors to root out the unbelievers.

    Not a problem for the likes of Stephens, I don’t think (as long as he gets to identify the targets, obviously).

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  153. Randal says:
    @Faraday's Bobcat
    Stephens may be joking with this sort of thing but many of his readers are not. They think an American is whoever agrees to live under the current-year bullshit and like it.

    But there would still be Americans even if the federal government was overthrown, just as there were still Germans after the last Kaiser abdicated.

    In fact, that's a good definition of an American. If you would stay here and tough it out, or fight it out, even if the country was taken over by your worst enemy, then you're an American. If you would flee to your home country or some other country, then you're just a kind of long-term boarder.

    This is why the Rebel flag drives the libs batty. The people who display it are definitely anyone's definition of a "real American", yet they're rejecting the federal government on some level. That just can't be allowed in today's proposition nation.
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  154. @Curle

    Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers
     
    I hope 'conservatives' like Stevens continue saying this loudly and often. It is best to have notice when an enemy approaches.

    What Stephens is saying is, “As a non-American, I believe America belongs to non-Americans.”

    What could be crazier than that?

    It speaks volumes about the power of the megaphone to manipulate minds that something so obviously and egregiously wrong could be published with the expectation that it could change minds.

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    "What could be crazier than that?"

    Actually, it's perfectly reasonable. What's crazy is the idea that he thinks his non-American-ness makes him more American than regular Americans. Which you may think is implied by America belonging to non-Americans, but of course a country can be long to anyone, if they conquer it.

    Crazier, he apparently thinks regular Americans should be impressed by his non-American-ness. As if that's such an obvious virtue. Not unreasonable, though, given the success of Nation of Immigrants propaganda.

    But as other posters have pointed out, this was not written for people with even a modicum of national (non-propositional) feeling in them. He's not serious about the deportations, but he is serious about getting out the message that he's not really American. His progressive readers will pick up on that, and won't put him in the camps with the rest of us when their remaking project gets going in earnest. Hopefully.

    , @BB753
    In happier and saner times, he'd have been tarred, feathered and chased out of town.
    , @Rob McX
    I'm not sure if he's hoping to be taken on his word. To me it seems that his purpose is just to humiliate the American people whose dispossession he revels in, saying "see how far I can go with this, rubbing your noses in it with this ridiculous idea and nobody stops me".
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  155. Art Deco says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Has it ever happened before in history that the ruling class of a nation actively sought to kick out their fellow citizens and replace them with newcomers?
     
    Ruling classes don't recognize the existence of "fellow citizens". And yes, ruling classes have imported newcomers many times to replace incalcitrant subjects. The US even has kind of a tradition of this - demand for African slaves was high because the local Indians wouldn't follow orders and tended to run away.

    Ruling classes don’t recognize the existence of “fellow citizens”.

    Ours did up until about 50 years ago.

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    Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say we didn't have a ruling class 50 years ago.
    , @Anonymous
    Maybe. I'm old enough to remember the pre 1960s civil right conflicts, Brown vs Topeka and de segregation

    Southern Whites were demonized for segregation and controlling black crime since at least WW2.
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  156. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @gcochran
    Bret Stephens is a funny guy. I like him.

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  157. What we’re dealing with as a society has gone past the societal equivalent of AIDS. In an immune deficiency syndrome, the body fails to distinguish self from non-self to protect the self’s resources from non-self. In our case, however, we are directed to distinguish self from non-self in order to favor non-self over self.

    Our societal immune system is inverted. And people like Stephens are now ratcheting up the level of immune response we are expected launch against our collective self.

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    America has a very severe case of Lupus.

    Lupus is a chronic inflammatory disease that occurs when your body's immune system attacks your own tissues and organs. Inflammation caused by lupus can affect many different body systems — including your joints, skin, kidneys, blood cells, brain, heart and lungs.

    Lupus can be difficult to diagnose because its signs and symptoms often mimic those of other ailments. The most distinctive sign of lupus — a facial rash that resembles the wings of a butterfly unfolding across both cheeks — occurs in many but not all cases of lupus.

    Some people are born with a tendency toward developing lupus, which may be triggered by infections, certain drugs or even sunlight. While there's no cure for lupus, treatments can help control symptoms.

     

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  158. @Art Deco
    Ruling classes don’t recognize the existence of “fellow citizens”.

    Ours did up until about 50 years ago.

    Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say we didn’t have a ruling class 50 years ago.

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    No it would not be 'accurate'. Every country has an elite of some sort.
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  159. @Art Deco
    You see, it’s okay that Israelis and their supporters are anti-open door and anti-diversity with respect to Israel but not to the United States since Yahweh gave Greater Israel to the Jews and their posterity in a prehistoric epoch. Israel is the God-given homeland for God’s Chosen People, get it. Those who occupied Palestine in the interim are transient marauders.

    About 1% of Israel's Jewish population was born in the United States. American Jews continue to cast ballots for the Democratic Party by 4-1 margins. Barack Obama has a baseline hostility to Israel that none of his dozen or so immediate predecessors possessed while in office (and which only Jimmy Carter has manifested out of office). Ordinary American politicians would generally be quite leery of offering public tributes to a character like Rashid Khalidi. Obama was not. It hasn't harmed his standing in the Jewish population. Rank-and-file Jews in this country are just not intensely invested in Israel's welfare. If Israel was more severely threatened than it is today, they might be, but that's speculative.

    He's an opinion journlist. There are not many people in that trade. It's also perfectly plain that he identifies with his class in society and not with the wage-earners who make up the majority of the population. That's not unusual among professional-managerial employees generally, especially in coastal cities. You'll notice, btw, that he's not living in Israel.

    Barack Obama has a baseline hostility to Israel that none of his dozen or so immediate predecessors possessed while in office (and which only Jimmy Carter has manifested out of office).

    Is this a joke?

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    No it isn't. He's more prudent and disciplined with what he says in public fora than the characters who post here. He also has to contend with Congress.
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  160. @Ben tillman
    What we're dealing with as a society has gone past the societal equivalent of AIDS. In an immune deficiency syndrome, the body fails to distinguish self from non-self to protect the self's resources from non-self. In our case, however, we are directed to distinguish self from non-self in order to favor non-self over self.

    Our societal immune system is inverted. And people like Stephens are now ratcheting up the level of immune response we are expected launch against our collective self.

    America has a very severe case of Lupus.

    Lupus is a chronic inflammatory disease that occurs when your body’s immune system attacks your own tissues and organs. Inflammation caused by lupus can affect many different body systems — including your joints, skin, kidneys, blood cells, brain, heart and lungs.

    Lupus can be difficult to diagnose because its signs and symptoms often mimic those of other ailments. The most distinctive sign of lupus — a facial rash that resembles the wings of a butterfly unfolding across both cheeks — occurs in many but not all cases of lupus.

    Some people are born with a tendency toward developing lupus, which may be triggered by infections, certain drugs or even sunlight. While there’s no cure for lupus, treatments can help control symptoms.

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  161. @Kylie
    WR asked, "Has it ever happened before in history that the ruling class of a nation actively sought to kick out their fellow citizens and replace them with newcomers?"

    There's a big difference between that and your example of, "There’s been plenty of times when the ruling class tries to oppress the people it thinks of as their property."

    Oppression is not the same as displacement.

    Oppression is often directly related to deliberate displacement, whether internal or external. The oppression can be indirect. Engineering open borders and diverting citizens’ tax revenue to support invaders is oppression against natives not down with their own demographic displacement. The key word is “property” and the whim of the presumptive owner to keep, sell, discard, or destroy it.

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    to paraphrase a credit card commercial "what's in your gun cabinet?" the time approaches

    to paraphrase a credit card commercial “what’s in your gun cabinet?” the time approaches

    “War is not ‘the best way of settling differences; it is the only way of preventing their being settled for you.” – G.K. Chesterton

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  163. @DN Poolside
    That doesn't really work too well in a society where 1 paroled, 78 IQ Dequan can impregnate 10 EBT carrying Lashondas. It's the women who would have to be locked up.

    The black abortion rate already serves to keep black population growth in check. Blacks aren’t really increasing notably as a percentage of the population. They just continue to behave badly, on average, and out of proportion to their numbers, no matter what we try.

    If you removed black criminality from U.S. crime statistics, our crime rates would look like most Western European countries.

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  164. @Ivy

    A country that belongs first to its newcomers.
     
    Stephens, né Lazarus?

    Ah, the American Indians, then, Mr. Stephens? And descendants of Viking explorers next? The irreligious should of course be the first out, in compliance with the First Amendment.

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  165. MBlanc46 says:

    The Lefties are positively chewing the carpets now.

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  166. @Art Deco
    Again, the total fertility rate for black women in the United States is 2.1 children per woman per lifetime. The median age at which a black woman has her first child is 23.0 years. That's younger than it is for white Anglo women (currently 26.0 years), but about the same as it was for white Anglo women 50 years ago.

    Households enrolled in SNAP (formerly Food Stamps) receive a mean of $250 a month. Lashonda's not livin' large on sums of that dimension. Not quite a quarter of those receiving SNAP benefits are children. About 20% are old or disabled.

    A lot of people receiving SNAP are also receiving other benefits. By the time you add up the SNAP, the Section 8 housing, the TANF, the WIC, the Medicaid (huge) and the utility subsidies, the take isn’t half bad. I am a landlord and I have tenants who are part of multi-generational welfare families. It goes on all the time. When they finally age out of parenting, they start going for disability.

    The perverse incentives are the worst. The reason a lot of these women and men never marry is that there is economic incentive not to. By staying single and by the boyfriend not “officially” living with the woman, his income is completely off the books for the purposes of calculating her benefits. Marriage is a penalty.

    The one I have seen get married and get off the dole was more motivated by her own dignity than by the short-term financial incentives.

    She had a pretty good future-orientation for a black, as well, and could see the value of marriage and education in the long term. There’s a sizable underclass that doesn’t appreciate that at all, or, at least, doesn’t have the persistence, intelligence and will to follow through on the knowledge.

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    A lot of people receiving SNAP are also receiving other benefits. By the time you add up the SNAP, the Section 8 housing, the TANF, the WIC, the Medicaid (huge) and the utility subsidies, the take isn’t half bad. I

    Again, the census of these programs is a small fraction of the SNAP census. The exception is Medicaid. There are problems with Medicaid in-terms of the incentives it incorporates and the effect thereof on the market for medical services. That having been said, the program doesn't add much to the day to day utility of a slum household. There is no 'haul', unless you consider emergency room visits something you'd do for pleasure.
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  167. guest says:
    @Ben tillman
    What Stephens is saying is, "As a non-American, I believe America belongs to non-Americans."

    What could be crazier than that?

    It speaks volumes about the power of the megaphone to manipulate minds that something so obviously and egregiously wrong could be published with the expectation that it could change minds.

    “What could be crazier than that?”

    Actually, it’s perfectly reasonable. What’s crazy is the idea that he thinks his non-American-ness makes him more American than regular Americans. Which you may think is implied by America belonging to non-Americans, but of course a country can be long to anyone, if they conquer it.

    Crazier, he apparently thinks regular Americans should be impressed by his non-American-ness. As if that’s such an obvious virtue. Not unreasonable, though, given the success of Nation of Immigrants propaganda.

    But as other posters have pointed out, this was not written for people with even a modicum of national (non-propositional) feeling in them. He’s not serious about the deportations, but he is serious about getting out the message that he’s not really American. His progressive readers will pick up on that, and won’t put him in the camps with the rest of us when their remaking project gets going in earnest. Hopefully.

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    he’s not really American
     
    He's very much American (empire), just not American (nation). Nations being holocausty and stuff.
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  168. Berty says:

    I see Stephens is still badly triggered by his candidates’ repeated failures last year and all those Pepe memes he got.

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  169. @WR
    As a history buff, I cannot think of any parallels (at least in the western world) for certain modern trends. This level of craziness is entirely new. Has it ever happened before in history that the ruling class of a nation actively sought to kick out their fellow citizens and replace them with newcomers? Forget for a moment that Stephens likely considers himself first a Jews and then an American; his attitude is shared by rich gentiles who also despise non-wealthy whites (the undeclared target of Stephens' article). Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens' proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so. If you think that I am an alarmist, think about how transgenderism evolved from marginal odd behavior in the late 90s to the most important civil rights issue of our times. A large segment of the population in the West has decided to commit cultural suicide; these people are succeeding and see those who oppose their objectives as their enemies.

    There certainly are historical precedents.

    For instance, after large numbers of Jews arrived in Medieval Poland, they joined with the nobility and the Lipka Tatars to form a privileged class which took away all the rights of the common people, turning them into serfs. The Polish nobility were ethnically identical to Polish commoners, but they invented a mythological history of themselves as Sarmatian conquerors of the Poles. They dressed like Turks, unlike the commoners who dressed like Europeans. The story of Ham, Japeth and Shem was interpreted by both the nobles and the Jews as justification for their privileged position. Europeans were interpreted as the descendants of Ham, destined to be slaves. Turks and nobles were interpreted to be descendants of Japeth, and Jews of course to be descendants of Shem; together they formed the divinely ordained master race. Built on such a rotten foundation, Poland’s economy was always backward, and the state was easy prey to the Russians, Prussians and Austrians in the mid-18th century.

    (The Sephardic Jewish slave traders who, after the failure of the Dutch invasion of Brazil, moved from Brazil to Barbados in 1640, and from Barbados on to London, Jamaica, Charleston etc., interpreted Ham/Japeth/Shem differently: Blacks = Ham, Europeans = Japeth. The Caribbean islands, formerly home to more Englishmen than the mainland colonies, capable of fielding a formidable privateer force against the enemies of England, subsequently declined into plantation dominated historical dead ends.)

    In England, the opposite historical development took place. After the expulsion of the Jews in 1290 the Normans nobles, who really were alien conquerors, came to identify with the English commoners, creating national solidarity and strength. Serfdom disappeared. With a productive, non-parasitic middle class ethnically identifying with both the nobles above and the peasants below, the English economy became the wonder of the world. England and her mainland colonies were the greatest power in the world by the mid-18th century.

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    What ethnicity were the English middle class? Norman or commoner?
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  170. Art Deco says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Barack Obama has a baseline hostility to Israel that none of his dozen or so immediate predecessors possessed while in office (and which only Jimmy Carter has manifested out of office).
     
    Is this a joke?

    No it isn’t. He’s more prudent and disciplined with what he says in public fora than the characters who post here. He also has to contend with Congress.

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  171. Art Deco says:
    @Ben tillman
    Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say we didn't have a ruling class 50 years ago.

    No it would not be ‘accurate’. Every country has an elite of some sort.

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  172. BB753 says:
    @Ben tillman
    What Stephens is saying is, "As a non-American, I believe America belongs to non-Americans."

    What could be crazier than that?

    It speaks volumes about the power of the megaphone to manipulate minds that something so obviously and egregiously wrong could be published with the expectation that it could change minds.

    In happier and saner times, he’d have been tarred, feathered and chased out of town.

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    In happier and saner times, he would simply have been ignored.
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  173. Thomas says:
    @Maj. Kong
    Tikkun Olam

    What’s that? “Takin’ all ‘em?”

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  174. Rob McX says:
    @Ben tillman
    What Stephens is saying is, "As a non-American, I believe America belongs to non-Americans."

    What could be crazier than that?

    It speaks volumes about the power of the megaphone to manipulate minds that something so obviously and egregiously wrong could be published with the expectation that it could change minds.

    I’m not sure if he’s hoping to be taken on his word. To me it seems that his purpose is just to humiliate the American people whose dispossession he revels in, saying “see how far I can go with this, rubbing your noses in it with this ridiculous idea and nobody stops me”.

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    Spot on.
    I wonder, I sincerely wonder, if there is any self reflection from any of these globalists that maybe, just maybe, they are pushing it a bit too far? Certainly he's not writing this in a vacuum.

    Do they see their own hypocrisy? I doubt they see it as hypocrisy, but could they perhaps conceive that we do?
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  175. @Corvinus
    "At least he’s honest about what he wants: the racial dispossession , displacement and replacement of the founding stock of the United States, or at least it’s less prosperous (European-origin) portion."

    And that same "founding stock" held similar attitudes toward ethnic groups like the Irish, Germans, Italians, the Chinese, the Assyrians, and the Slavs. It wasn't about "racial dispossession", it was about "ethnic superiority". You have an annoying way of whitewashing the truth.

    "Genocide, in another word."

    Fake News Story. There is observably no deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation, taking place. But if you insist on foolishly and incorrectly using this term, go right ahead.

    …any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
    — Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2

    Genocide is defined much more broadly than simply killing people of a certain group.

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    Indeed. Genocide's daddy, Raphael Lemkin, included mental anguish. Which is to say badfeelz. As in, "Those Nazis over there are making me nervous."
    , @Corvinus
    "Genocide is defined much more broadly than simply killing people of a certain group."

    So say the white nationalists when they insist that immigration fits the criteria for genocide. Pro-race is code for anti-humanity.
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  176. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Opinionator
    "Anti-Semitism" (that is, criticism of Jews) can only have one cause: the mental illness of Gentiles.

    Bret Stephens suffers from anti-Gentilism. But that is fashionable today.

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  177. @Brit
    Is part of the issue here that Israel is a land of immigrants in a way that the USA never was. True, there's a bigger urge to culturally fit in if you are coming in because of your ancestry rather than because of a wish for a better life, but I understand a bit more why American Jewish commentators are more friendly towards immigration. They have some interest and so knowledge of Israeli society, Israeli society is more immigration shaped than US society, Israeli society works and in many respects has more solidarity and dynamism than the US, thus the US could do with more immigration.

    It's not just granddad getting blackballed at the country club.

    At least conceptually Aliyah to Israel is the reuniting of a single dispersed people rather than a first meeting of disparate peoples with radically different cultures and assumptions from one another and from the host nation.

    I would question whether Israel truly “works” better than America, it was founded as a secular socialist state, and yet appears to have completely repudiated its founding.

    I think they found by trial that a secular socialist state probably isn’t the best way to preserve a people surrounded by hostiles who are in a cradle race with them.

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  178. Anon says: • Website • Disclaimer

    deport Bret Stephens …into the middle of the atlantic ocean…with nothing but the clothes on his back

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  179. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Another benefit of the prison system. When the criminals are in prison they can’t breed more criminals

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  180. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anonymous

    How odd. I was under the impression that Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin were, as the phrase goes, native-born…..That must be one of the lies that my teacher taught me….
     
    It is interesting how they claim we are a nation of immigrants, but then go out of their way to celebrate Hamilton. If we were a nation of immigrants, then Hamilton would have been no different than Washington or Jefferson and would have been eligible to run for President.

    I wonder if they even realize this plot hole.

    Actually, Hamilton was an immigrant from the tiny island of Nevis. I believe he was the only immigrant among the founders. Plus he was an anti working man banker. Plus his Mother was a Jew. Plus his father is unknown. That’s probably why they wrote the musical about him.

    Hamilton was the one who decided that the working class frontiersmen should pay the enormous amount of money the founders borrowed from France with the whiskey tax rather than the coastal wealthy pay back the loans with income and property tax.

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  181. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Our betters strike again: https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/876051407065014272

    David Frum‏ @davidfrum
    Once you realize that “deep state” is code for “the rule of law,” you can translate their jibberish into English

    Sean Hannity @seanhannity
    #Hannity Starts in 30 minutes with @newtgingrich and my monologue on the Deep State’s allies in the media

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    David Frum is part of the globalist minor nobility because his mother was a well-known TV journalist on the state-owned CBC. His sister got to be appointed a Canadian senator on the same ticket. Frum's wife is herself the daughter or step-daughter of a newspaper editor. Second and third generation mass media aristocrats of this sort seem to clog up every "respectable" news outlet. The only injection of fresh blood seems to come from the dozens of Gen X Soviet Jews who came over with their parents. If it wasn't for them, the Podhoretzes, Kristols, Kagans, Goldbergs and Frums would have to resort to AI technology to reproduce themselves.
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  182. @415 reasons
    Native Americans?

    I’ve seen White liberals use arguments that since the US and Canada are on “stolen land” (evidently they don’t believe in right of conquest), it is immoral or wrong to ban people from coming here. They seem to completely overlook the fact that mass immigration also results in Amerindians being displaced by people who care even less of them than Native born Whites do.

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    Agree. Good comment.

    ... overlook the fact that mass immigration also results in Amerindians being displaced by people who care even less of them than Native born Whites do.
     
    Yet another example where Libs can't grasp the consequences of their policies.
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  183. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Art Deco
    Ruling classes don’t recognize the existence of “fellow citizens”.

    Ours did up until about 50 years ago.

    Maybe. I’m old enough to remember the pre 1960s civil right conflicts, Brown vs Topeka and de segregation

    Southern Whites were demonized for segregation and controlling black crime since at least WW2.

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    Southern legal systems did not do a bang up job of crime control prior to 1965. Take a gander at homicide statistics from the 1920s.

    You could say a great many things about the South as it was 70 years ago, but praising the police and courts therein would be perverse.
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  184. @Kylie
    WR asked, "Has it ever happened before in history that the ruling class of a nation actively sought to kick out their fellow citizens and replace them with newcomers?"

    There's a big difference between that and your example of, "There’s been plenty of times when the ruling class tries to oppress the people it thinks of as their property."

    Oppression is not the same as displacement.

    I don’t understand why you’re splitting hairs over semantics when the end result is going to be the same.

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  185. @Art Deco
    Again, the total fertility rate for black women in the United States is 2.1 children per woman per lifetime. The median age at which a black woman has her first child is 23.0 years. That's younger than it is for white Anglo women (currently 26.0 years), but about the same as it was for white Anglo women 50 years ago.

    Households enrolled in SNAP (formerly Food Stamps) receive a mean of $250 a month. Lashonda's not livin' large on sums of that dimension. Not quite a quarter of those receiving SNAP benefits are children. About 20% are old or disabled.

    Art, Not looking to engage in a pissing contest, but about 72% of all black children are born to single mothers and I am sure that in some inner cities that percentage approaches 90% or better and 75% of people on food stamps receive other welfare benefits.

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    Art, Not looking to engage in a pissing contest, but about 72% of all black children are born to single mothers and I am sure that in some inner cities that percentage approaches 90% or better and 75% of people on food stamps receive other welfare benefits.

    About 40% of all children are born out of wedlock, including the majority of 1st born children. Some are legitimated post-partum and some born within wedlock are born into households which include the mother's (or father's) previous trysts. The frequency of this among white Anglos exceeds that logged by blacks at the time of the Moynihan report in 1965. It's a cheesy world we live in.

    Again, 'other welfare programs' generally have a small census compared to SNAP, so you're not looking at more than 10% or 15% who are beneficiaries of these others, as a rule. The exceptions are other nutrition programs (which are largely in-kind), Social Security and SSI (which seldom benefits anyone in a situation to bear children), and Medicaid (which is illiquid and mainly prevents the vicissitudes of life from damaging one's situation).

    Who benefits from SNAP and Medicaid? Largely impecunious wage-earners, old people, and the infirm. There is a lumpen clientele there too. SNAP and Medicaid are unlike the old AFDC program or public housing as it was ca. 1970, as these others were programs targeted at a lumpen clientele.
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  186. @John Gruskos
    There certainly are historical precedents.

    For instance, after large numbers of Jews arrived in Medieval Poland, they joined with the nobility and the Lipka Tatars to form a privileged class which took away all the rights of the common people, turning them into serfs. The Polish nobility were ethnically identical to Polish commoners, but they invented a mythological history of themselves as Sarmatian conquerors of the Poles. They dressed like Turks, unlike the commoners who dressed like Europeans. The story of Ham, Japeth and Shem was interpreted by both the nobles and the Jews as justification for their privileged position. Europeans were interpreted as the descendants of Ham, destined to be slaves. Turks and nobles were interpreted to be descendants of Japeth, and Jews of course to be descendants of Shem; together they formed the divinely ordained master race. Built on such a rotten foundation, Poland's economy was always backward, and the state was easy prey to the Russians, Prussians and Austrians in the mid-18th century.

    (The Sephardic Jewish slave traders who, after the failure of the Dutch invasion of Brazil, moved from Brazil to Barbados in 1640, and from Barbados on to London, Jamaica, Charleston etc., interpreted Ham/Japeth/Shem differently: Blacks = Ham, Europeans = Japeth. The Caribbean islands, formerly home to more Englishmen than the mainland colonies, capable of fielding a formidable privateer force against the enemies of England, subsequently declined into plantation dominated historical dead ends.)

    In England, the opposite historical development took place. After the expulsion of the Jews in 1290 the Normans nobles, who really were alien conquerors, came to identify with the English commoners, creating national solidarity and strength. Serfdom disappeared. With a productive, non-parasitic middle class ethnically identifying with both the nobles above and the peasants below, the English economy became the wonder of the world. England and her mainland colonies were the greatest power in the world by the mid-18th century.

    What ethnicity were the English middle class? Norman or commoner?

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    An interesting question. Unlike the Continental aristocracies, the English one was always open to marriage outside of the magic circle. The result: no Revolution.
    And since the heir alone received the entirety of the family's estate, the younger sons and perforce the daughters married whomever they could, and very often into the rising middle class.
    The result? A middle class which is a mixture of old families and new, of Norman conqueror and Saxon yeoman.
    Harold Macmillan is an example of what I mean: grandson of a Scottish crofter, his father made a fortune as a publisher, sent his son to Eton and that son, Harold, marrying the daughter of the Duke of Devonshire, became Prime Minister of England.
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  187. @Johnus0
    The Jews also discriminate against other Jews, just that people don't talk about it.

    The MSM increasingly goes out of its way to avoid covering infighting between minorities and left-wing sub groups. The obvious ideology gap between Israelis and US Jews being a classic example. Others conflicts deliberately overlooked include:

    Blacks versus gays, feminists versus Muslims, Indians and Jews versus Blacks, liberals versus antifa, and libertarian gays and trannies versus androgynous leftists.

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  188. @Rob McX
    I'm not sure if he's hoping to be taken on his word. To me it seems that his purpose is just to humiliate the American people whose dispossession he revels in, saying "see how far I can go with this, rubbing your noses in it with this ridiculous idea and nobody stops me".

    Spot on.
    I wonder, I sincerely wonder, if there is any self reflection from any of these globalists that maybe, just maybe, they are pushing it a bit too far? Certainly he’s not writing this in a vacuum.

    Do they see their own hypocrisy? I doubt they see it as hypocrisy, but could they perhaps conceive that we do?

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    who wants to be in a country more than the conquerors?
     
    "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, 'For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter'.

    Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us."

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  189. Luke Lea says:

    Also known as the right of conquest. After all, who wants to be in a country more than the conquerors?

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  190. @Cagey Beast
    They think an American is whoever agrees to live under the current-year bullshit and like it. But there would still be Americans even if the federal government was overthrown, just as there were still Germans after the last Kaiser abdicated.

    This is a critically important point that's not as obvious to those of us from the Anglosphere as it is to others. The Irish, the Russians and other continental Europeans know that regimes come and go but nations remain. We in the US, UK and former White Dominions have enjoyed such a long winning streak of relative prosperity and stability that we came to forget that fact. We may come to learn it again in the next few years.

    People like Bret Stephens and the Young Turks crowd think Trump is the last chance for the White men who just don't get it. They think once Whitey is finally brought down along with Trump, then the good times can begin again. Maybe it's they who don't get it? Maybe they don't get that the Trump presidency is their last chance to enjoy rule of law under the "First Republic" of the United States? Maybe Bret Stephens -- and the smart-ass judges blocking Trump's travel ban, the members of Congress warming up for the impeachment of Trump and the cute Attorneys-General of Maryland and DC -- don't understand they're dancing as the sun goes down on their playground? Maybe someone needs to tell Bret Stephens this kind of humour will be taken seriously by the kind of people who shoot up baseball practices and by the surplus human resources he dreams of deporting?

    People like Bret Stephens and the Young Turks crowd think Trump is the last chance for the White men who just don’t get it. They think once Whitey is finally brought down along with Trump, then the good times can begin again.

    What sort of good times do you think he is envisioning?

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    The good times his type get from grounding other people into the mud. The kind of pleasure a crooked cop gets from humiliating and abusing people at his checkpoint during martial law or a Chekist got while making a fresh list of people to be executed. In other words, the kind of good times cowards with power have when they can get away with it. That's the kind of fun Cenk Uygur and Bret Stephens would have now that Trump's MAGA hat base have so rudely disrupted the march of history.
    , @Jack Hanson
    When the The Young Turks and all the others aren't attempting to stay one step ahead of a Deploreable Safety Tribunal.

    I'm pretty sure what's to come is inevitable.
    , @Anonymous
    He's thinking of the good old days in Russia 1918 to 1950.
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  191. @AM

    Households enrolled in SNAP (formerly Food Stamps) receive a mean of $250 a month. Lashonda’s not livin’ large on sums of that dimension. Not quite a quarter of those receiving SNAP benefits are children. About 20% are old or disabled.
     
    I've helped a single, older relative with no dependents receive benefits. Someone on Food Stamps is almost always on a slew of related programs. If you added up all the benefits, you might be shocked at the amount disposable income they have in end. The relative in question had about $800 a month of income from social security. However, in addition to food stamps, she had section 8 help, heating help, and medicaid. Between all the benefits, she had roughly $400+ a month of money she could whatever it was she wanted to do with it. Every single application only asked about cash income, it never considered a defined benefit as help.

    One of the reasons our "Lashonda" is not married is because her disposable income would go way down if she did.

    It baffles me that everyone quite so enamored and expert on the poor has never helped them directly. If they did, they would know the whole voter ID issue was BS. They'd also know that the US's welfare system is not bad of a deal either, if you can work the system.

    How is the voter ID issue bs?

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    In order to apply for SNAP, medicaid, and Section 8, you have to have photo ID to prevent fraud. You need it at the SS office, too.

    Poor people have the IDs they need to vote. That's why it was BS.
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  192. @guest
    "What could be crazier than that?"

    Actually, it's perfectly reasonable. What's crazy is the idea that he thinks his non-American-ness makes him more American than regular Americans. Which you may think is implied by America belonging to non-Americans, but of course a country can be long to anyone, if they conquer it.

    Crazier, he apparently thinks regular Americans should be impressed by his non-American-ness. As if that's such an obvious virtue. Not unreasonable, though, given the success of Nation of Immigrants propaganda.

    But as other posters have pointed out, this was not written for people with even a modicum of national (non-propositional) feeling in them. He's not serious about the deportations, but he is serious about getting out the message that he's not really American. His progressive readers will pick up on that, and won't put him in the camps with the rest of us when their remaking project gets going in earnest. Hopefully.

    he’s not really American

    He’s very much American (empire), just not American (nation). Nations being holocausty and stuff.

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  193. @oh its just me too
    Spot on.
    I wonder, I sincerely wonder, if there is any self reflection from any of these globalists that maybe, just maybe, they are pushing it a bit too far? Certainly he's not writing this in a vacuum.

    Do they see their own hypocrisy? I doubt they see it as hypocrisy, but could they perhaps conceive that we do?

    who wants to be in a country more than the conquerors?

    “Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, ‘For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter’.

    Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.”

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  194. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @Opinionator
    People like Bret Stephens and the Young Turks crowd think Trump is the last chance for the White men who just don’t get it. They think once Whitey is finally brought down along with Trump, then the good times can begin again.

    What sort of good times do you think he is envisioning?

    The good times his type get from grounding other people into the mud. The kind of pleasure a crooked cop gets from humiliating and abusing people at his checkpoint during martial law or a Chekist got while making a fresh list of people to be executed. In other words, the kind of good times cowards with power have when they can get away with it. That’s the kind of fun Cenk Uygur and Bret Stephens would have now that Trump’s MAGA hat base have so rudely disrupted the march of history.

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  195. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Bill B.
    OT

    I finally got around to trying to find out why that community-subsidised-rent residential tower went up in flames in London this week killing about 100.

    Shocked to learn one can legally use flammable cladding to save costs.

    But I also have failed to find a single reference to the massive and continuous inward migration into the UK. Surely there is a connection. How many members of the third-world can Britain afford to house?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/15/wealth-and-poverty-sit-side-by-side-in-grenfell-towers-borough

    http://www.standard.co.uk/Front/london-fire-inside-the-2k-grenfell-tower-flats-before-the-blaze-a3565416.html

    [MORE]

    The borough is among London’s most unequal, with extreme poverty and wealth living side by side. Data shows that the vicinity of the tower was among the top 10% most deprived areas in England

    … The constituency of Kensington … is the wealthiest in England, with an average income tax bill of £51,000 per taxpayer in 2014-15. The average terraced house sold for £4.3m in 2016. The median weekly household income varies widely across the local authority, from £670 to £1,380.

    London fire: Inside the £2,000-a-month Grenfell Tower flats before the blaze

    Who knows how many flats actually looked like that but would it be safe to conjecture that the taxpayer is paying a lot of money to secure ethnic minority outposts within well-situated gentrifying areas?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Kensington

    North Kensington is where most of the violence of the Notting Hill race riots of 1958 occurred and where the Notting Hill Carnival started

    … North Kensington was once an area well known for its slum housing … but housing prices have now risen and the area on the whole is considered exclusive and upmarket, although expensive residences are interspersed with lower-income areas like the Lancaster West Estate [home to Grenfell Tower].

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancaster_West_Estate

    Many of the estate’s problems, it was suggested, ‘were drug related,’ and in the 1990s the estate also suffered from gun violence … In an attempt to bring residents together, during a time of racial tensions, the Catholic Archbishop of Westminster, Basil Hume, personally led a Good Friday service in the shadow of the tower block.

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    http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/london-census-profile/

    In terms of the percentage of the population with a non-UK passport, however, Kensington and Chelsea comes out as the top borough with 36% of local residents having only a foreign passport in 2011.
     
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/16/mustafa-almansur-organiser-grenfell-tower-protest-movement/

    Someone who had his fingerprints on an IED manual, was released without charge, and then floated into professional social justice rabble rousing.

    , @Bill B.
    Yes this is the economic model - a rich elite serviced by multiethnic peons - that is the cause of so much pain, sorrow and confusion. Confusion because of course the model itself is hidden by a continuously maintained screen of virtue-signaling and calls for equality and diversity.

    I finally got around to buying 'The Pinch' by David Willetts that explains some of the economics of white flight and migrant clustering. Steve recommended it a while back. A good book.
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    @Anonymous
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/15/wealth-and-poverty-sit-side-by-side-in-grenfell-towers-borough

    http://www.standard.co.uk/Front/london-fire-inside-the-2k-grenfell-tower-flats-before-the-blaze-a3565416.html


    The borough is among London’s most unequal, with extreme poverty and wealth living side by side. Data shows that the vicinity of the tower was among the top 10% most deprived areas in England

    ... The constituency of Kensington ... is the wealthiest in England, with an average income tax bill of £51,000 per taxpayer in 2014-15. The average terraced house sold for £4.3m in 2016. The median weekly household income varies widely across the local authority, from £670 to £1,380.

     


    London fire: Inside the £2,000-a-month Grenfell Tower flats before the blaze
     
    Who knows how many flats actually looked like that but would it be safe to conjecture that the taxpayer is paying a lot of money to secure ethnic minority outposts within well-situated gentrifying areas?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Kensington


    North Kensington is where most of the violence of the Notting Hill race riots of 1958 occurred and where the Notting Hill Carnival started

    ... North Kensington was once an area well known for its slum housing ... but housing prices have now risen and the area on the whole is considered exclusive and upmarket, although expensive residences are interspersed with lower-income areas like the Lancaster West Estate [home to Grenfell Tower].
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancaster_West_Estate

    Many of the estate's problems, it was suggested, 'were drug related,' and in the 1990s the estate also suffered from gun violence ... In an attempt to bring residents together, during a time of racial tensions, the Catholic Archbishop of Westminster, Basil Hume, personally led a Good Friday service in the shadow of the tower block.
     

    http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/london-census-profile/

    In terms of the percentage of the population with a non-UK passport, however, Kensington and Chelsea comes out as the top borough with 36% of local residents having only a foreign passport in 2011.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/16/mustafa-almansur-organiser-grenfell-tower-protest-movement/

    Someone who had his fingerprints on an IED manual, was released without charge, and then floated into professional social justice rabble rousing.

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  197. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Our betters strike again: https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/876051407065014272

    David Frum‏ @davidfrum
    Once you realize that "deep state" is code for "the rule of law," you can translate their jibberish into English


    Sean Hannity @seanhannity
    #Hannity Starts in 30 minutes with @newtgingrich and my monologue on the Deep State’s allies in the media
     

     

    David Frum is part of the globalist minor nobility because his mother was a well-known TV journalist on the state-owned CBC. His sister got to be appointed a Canadian senator on the same ticket. Frum’s wife is herself the daughter or step-daughter of a newspaper editor. Second and third generation mass media aristocrats of this sort seem to clog up every “respectable” news outlet. The only injection of fresh blood seems to come from the dozens of Gen X Soviet Jews who came over with their parents. If it wasn’t for them, the Podhoretzes, Kristols, Kagans, Goldbergs and Frums would have to resort to AI technology to reproduce themselves.

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    Frum has a recent piece in the Atlantic criticizing Trump for being weak on immigration.

    www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/530673/
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  198. @Opinionator
    People like Bret Stephens and the Young Turks crowd think Trump is the last chance for the White men who just don’t get it. They think once Whitey is finally brought down along with Trump, then the good times can begin again.

    What sort of good times do you think he is envisioning?

    When the The Young Turks and all the others aren’t attempting to stay one step ahead of a Deploreable Safety Tribunal.

    I’m pretty sure what’s to come is inevitable.

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  199. @Anonymous

    Journalists are now in a stage where they’re giddily seeing how far they can go.
     
    And those on "our side" will let them:

    John Podhoretz‏ @jpodhoretz

    Shouting down JULIUS CAESAR. Animals. You false conservatives are destroying this country.

     

    Ben Shapiro @benshapiro

    How do you argue against protesters shutting down Murray or MacDonald or Hirsi Ali or me or anyone if you approve?

     

    According to John Podhoretz, Ben Shapiro, and David French, conservatives must sit back and endure left-wing assaults with dignified forbearance. Only that way will we eventually earn the Left’s respect. To fight the enemy with his own Alinskyite techniques would lower ourselves to his level. Sure it might ultimately defeat him, but is such a victory worthy of us?

    Conservative = Good Loser.

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    It's a question of propriety is it? Let's see what if Twitter takes the mask off:

    Tonight I learned I'm not a real con b/c I thought it was awesome that people protested a play that involved murdering a conservative.

    I'd say I just learned tonight you're a drooling, immoral, melodramatic idiot, but alas, I learned that long ago.

    JPod, I would have thought you'd have more respect for someone who-unlike you-actually went off to war, you being such a big fan of wars.

    you want affirmative action for being a moron because you wore our country's uniform? Happy to oblige.
     

    There's that blind conservative love of the military I hear so much about.

    What if they didn't actually care about dignity? What if they didn't even think it was losing? What if they only carved out a place for themselves as the opposition to order nominal allies, conservatives, to stand down in the left's wars against us (demagoguery, demographic displacement), and issue the battle cry in the left's war against them (i.e. on Israel)? -- like sirens singing a song of Values lulling us into our loserdom?

    What I don't understand is how they think they can get their imports into white Gentile Philosemitism.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Not neccessarily.

    During the Iraq War debate, most "conservative" intellectuals were extremely strong proponents of immediate military action. They made the case that removing Saddam Hussein from power was neccessary if America wanted to win the "War on Terror" and if America wanted to punish the 9/11 attackers. They also insulted the anti-war side as being "unpatriotic" and "cowardly."

    However, "liberals" put up very weak opposition. Later, when it became clear that Iraq had no WMDs or 9/11 links, "liberals" never made much of an issue of that.

    So "conservatives" were hardcore fanatics with respect to the Iraq War, while "liberals" were a weak opposition.

    The Iraq War isn't really an isolated case. For example, on the issue of taxes and deregulation, "conservatives" ususally get their way. Same with trade.

    For many years, the grassroots left has complained that "their" leaders aren't willing to fight for progressive principles and "compromise" too much with corporate power, Wall Street, and military hawks. So in 2004, many of them threw their support behind anti-war firebrand Howard Dean. In 2008, they backed "Hope and Change" Obama. In 2016, many went for socialist Bernie Sanders.

    Then, of course, you have the US-Israeli relationship. Unequivocal support of Israel is extremely important to "conservatives." They literally never compromise on that. Back a few years ago, "conservatives" and "liberals" humiliated Obama for having a slight disagreeement with Netanyahu.

    So apparently "conservatives" can be very strong fighters on some issues, but weak on other issues (immigration, nationalist populism, support for Trump). Hmmm........... Very strange.......... Very, very strange............

    By the way, what do (((Shapiro))), (((Podhoretz))), (((Stephens))), (((Brooks))), (((Kristol))), (((Goldberg))), and the other (((Neo-kahns))) have in common? Hmmm.............

    Some day I hope that I'll be able to figure out the answers to these perplexing questions..........
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  200. @Kylie
    I don't think these people listen to themselves or read what they write.

    Amidst all smug anti-white hatred, this comment stood out:
    Ann from New York
    "I frequently think that people who bemoan the lack of job stability and long for the "good old days" of forty years ago really are not that different from people on welfare. They seem to have expected a company to care for them from cradle to grave, rather than the government; that's the only difference."

    The only difference? So to her, earning a paycheck is no different from qualifying for government benefits. Of course, she's referring to white blue-collar workers, not white-collar "company men".

    I used to listen to Larry King’s late-night radio show in the early 1980s. When a caller would complain about welfare, Larry would ask him if he took tax deductions. Since the caller would invariably answer yes, Larry would say, “Then you’re on welfare too. You’re taking money from the government.”

    Very hard to argue with such an idiotic point of view.

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  201. @Lot

    A study by the Cato Institute notes that nonimmigrants are incarcerated at nearly twice the rate of illegal immigrants
     
    A sure sign of knowing dishonesty. People hear "nonimmigrant" and get the mental picture of the largest nonimmigrant group, whites, and immigrant and think Mexicans.

    In fact, whites have a much lower crime rate than Mexicans. And lower still than other Meso-Americans.

    As Steve notes, the reason that "nonimmigrants" have a high crime rate is that the group includes a lot of blacks, puerto ricans, and native-born hispanics, while the "immigrant" group includes a lot of very low crime NE Asians, whose own very low birthrate means they are not producing very many law abiding native Americans.

    How could Stephens spin this to say, well say, Poland or Hungary should take in floods of Muslims, who assimilate poorly or not at all?

    No doubt he’d say that Britain and France are getting payback for their colonial period.

    But what about the rest of Europe?

    As for him suggesting people of European descent should return to Europe…well it must be getting mighty crowded in places like the U.K.

    Otherwise, maybe he has a point: Africans back to Africa, Europeans back to Europe. Non Europeans back to where ever they came from.

    I’m sure the remaining natives of the Americas will do a great job of running things!

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  202. @Pericles
    Yes ... where ...?

    What I mean is, for example, the famous question “are you now or have you ever been…?” wouldn’t have been possible and how exactly would they have gone after communists.

    The current problem is part of the reason we had people accusing Obama of being a Socialist, a silly critique in the context of modern democracies–people need labels to latch onto. The kinds of labels we have for Bret Stephens aren’t really damning in the public square.

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  203. guest says:
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    Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens’ proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years
     
    Unlikely, but possible.

    and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so.
     
    The Dems would never have a chance of winning a major election ever again if this happened. Hell, they lost because they neglected a sizable portion of the American electorate (for fear of seeming racist, I'd assume). To move from neglect to out-right hostility would seal their fate—I don't see the career politicians going for it.

    If you think that I am an alarmist, think about how transgenderism evolved from marginal odd behavior in the late 90s to the most important civil rights issue of our times.
     
    I've always believed transgenderism became a civil rights issue since the same-sex marriage issue was settled. Transgender civil rights started to become the dominate issue only after the left won on same-sex marriage. Notice also how no one seems to care about gay rights anymore? Whenever LGBTQ issues are brought up, it's really the 'TQ+' portion that's the actual issue; there's no more political capital left in pandering to the 'LGB' crowd.

    I say concede on the transgender civil rights matter—it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously, hopefully leading to a total collapse of this new, ultra PC movement.

    “I say concede on the transgender civil rights matter–it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously”

    That’s been the strategy of the mainstream conservative movement for decades, with all its attendant success.

    Transgender rights and the denial of sexual dimorphism isn’t fringe and ridiculous enough for you? People made the exact same argument about gay marriage, and the left just kept on trucking. They lose more and more legitimacy the weirder they get, but they’re still in charge and I don’t want to watch them race civilization to see which will finish first.

    Nothing is too ridiculous that a significant portion of the population can’t get behind it. They’ve already got pedophilia (or at least ephebophilia), polygamy (polyamory), and incest (consanguinamory) lined up.

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    The trans civil war has already started, at least on YouTube. The obvious division in between the trannies that want to be attractive women, and those who want to break down gender. The left should have thought about this before starting WWT:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUoI30m3p2M

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  204. guest says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    You are absolutely right. World War T, as Steve says, hit about a week after the gay marriage decision of the Supreme Court.

    Is this sarcastic? Because you sound like you could be making the exact opposite argument.

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  205. Njguy73 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Fake News Story.
     
    You sound like such an aspergery retard.

    You sound like such an aspergery retard.

    I thought retards weren’t smart enough to be aspergery.

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  206. Most of the commenters support Stephens (except the part that they should be religious).

    One guy, though, thinks it through and says we can’t continue like this indefinitely.

    A decent column. All the way up to the part about “native-born” Americans not reproducing enough, and the Japanese “demographic death spiral.”What is it about conservatives and population? Why are they so consumed with the desire for ever-more people, and so utterly blind to the problems this brings?

    Here is what logic tells us, unimpeachably: 1) The earth is finite. 2) You cannot put an infinite quantity of anything into a finite container. 3) If that is the case, then, eventually, there will have to be a limit on the amount of people on earth. And 4) If that is the case, it makes infinitely more sense to start figuring out how to limit our numbers now than it would to do it under the threat of a looming Malthusian crisis.

    The “Japanese demographic death spiral” is like the “stagnant French economy” – a trope that conservatives drag out to frighten people and to obscure the more nuanced, more positive truth. France is a delightful place to live with some economic problems. And Japan is a functioning and creative modern country with some social-welfare challenges tied to its aging population. It is not some senescent hell-hole.

    Meanwhile, the US is a place of strained infrastructure, neglected children, suburban blight, diminished wild lands, and ever-more-light-polluted night skies. We have problems, too!

    We need to limit our numbers; it makes sense to do it now; this will entail challenges, but so would dong nothing. Why can’t conservatives seem to see this?

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    @Frau Katze:

    Seriously - I presume what you've quoted in the long quote box is the comment. Correct me if I am wrong:

    A decent column. All the way up to the part about “native-born” Americans not reproducing enough, and the Japanese “demographic death spiral.”What is it about conservatives and population? Why are they so consumed with the desire for ever-more people, and so utterly blind to the problems this brings?

    Here is what logic tells us, unimpeachably: 1) The earth is finite. 2) You cannot put an infinite quantity of anything into a finite container. 3) If that is the case, then, eventually, there will have to be a limit on the amount of people on earth. And 4) If that is the case, it makes infinitely more sense to start figuring out how to limit our numbers now than it would to do it under the threat of a looming Malthusian crisis.

    The “Japanese demographic death spiral” is like the “stagnant French economy” – a trope that conservatives drag out to frighten people and to obscure the more nuanced, more positive truth. France is a delightful place to live with some economic problems. And Japan is a functioning and creative modern country with some social-welfare challenges tied to its aging population. It is not some senescent hell-hole.

    Meanwhile, the US is a place of strained infrastructure, neglected children, suburban blight, diminished wild lands, and ever-more-light-polluted night skies. We have problems, too!

    We need to limit our numbers; it makes sense to do it now; this will entail challenges, but so would dong nothing. Why can’t conservatives seem to see this?
     
    So, reading between the lines is that the native population of the US needs to stop having families to make room for immigrants from other countries?

    Is this person insane? Stupid?

    We lived in France the past few years, and it actually is doing somewhat better than its western European neighbours in terms of fertility, but still not up to replacement. For the bobos in Paris, life is, indeed, quite pleasant, as long as they stay outside of the "vibrant" banlieues.

    Liberalism really is a mental disorder.
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  207. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Harry Baldwin
    According to John Podhoretz, Ben Shapiro, and David French, conservatives must sit back and endure left-wing assaults with dignified forbearance. Only that way will we eventually earn the Left's respect. To fight the enemy with his own Alinskyite techniques would lower ourselves to his level. Sure it might ultimately defeat him, but is such a victory worthy of us?

    Conservative = Good Loser.

    It’s a question of propriety is it? Let’s see what if Twitter takes the mask off:

    Tonight I learned I’m not a real con b/c I thought it was awesome that people protested a play that involved murdering a conservative.

    I’d say I just learned tonight you’re a drooling, immoral, melodramatic idiot, but alas, I learned that long ago.

    JPod, I would have thought you’d have more respect for someone who-unlike you-actually went off to war, you being such a big fan of wars.

    you want affirmative action for being a moron because you wore our country’s uniform? Happy to oblige.

    There’s that blind conservative love of the military I hear so much about.

    What if they didn’t actually care about dignity? What if they didn’t even think it was losing? What if they only carved out a place for themselves as the opposition to order nominal allies, conservatives, to stand down in the left’s wars against us (demagoguery, demographic displacement), and issue the battle cry in the left’s war against them (i.e. on Israel)? — like sirens singing a song of Values lulling us into our loserdom?

    What I don’t understand is how they think they can get their imports into white Gentile Philosemitism.

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  208. guest says:
    @al-Gharaniq

    Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens’ proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years
     
    Unlikely, but possible.

    and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so.
     
    The Dems would never have a chance of winning a major election ever again if this happened. Hell, they lost because they neglected a sizable portion of the American electorate (for fear of seeming racist, I'd assume). To move from neglect to out-right hostility would seal their fate—I don't see the career politicians going for it.

    If you think that I am an alarmist, think about how transgenderism evolved from marginal odd behavior in the late 90s to the most important civil rights issue of our times.
     
    I've always believed transgenderism became a civil rights issue since the same-sex marriage issue was settled. Transgender civil rights started to become the dominate issue only after the left won on same-sex marriage. Notice also how no one seems to care about gay rights anymore? Whenever LGBTQ issues are brought up, it's really the 'TQ+' portion that's the actual issue; there's no more political capital left in pandering to the 'LGB' crowd.

    I say concede on the transgender civil rights matter—it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously, hopefully leading to a total collapse of this new, ultra PC movement.

    “there’s no more political capital left in pandering to the ‘LGB’ crowd.”

    I agree with you about the G’s, at least. The L’s still have feminism, though the white ones aren’t much better off than white women. As for the B’s, our culture mostly pretends they don’t exist. Their role in the alphabet soup is to pad numbers.

    The G’s, though, their power has dropped off precipitously. They retain immense cultural influence, way beyond their numbers. But they’ve run out of Pokemon points, or at least the white ones have. They’re losing the intersectional game. Maybe they’ll be alienated enough at some point to turn.

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  209. @Maj. Kong
    Bret is in America because he can make far more money here than he could in Israel. His politics is rooted in a deep animus against the native ethnoreligious peoples of the West. If he truly liked the Israeli way so much, he would have never left.

    I would question whether Israel truly "works" better than America, it was founded as a secular socialist state, and yet appears to have completely repudiated its founding.

    I would question whether Israel truly “works” better than America, it was founded as a secular socialist state, and yet appears to have completely repudiated its founding.

    your comment makes sense until you add two words:
    it was founded as a secular socialist state for jews, and yet

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  210. guest says:
    @Alec Leamas


    ...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
    — Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2

     

    Genocide is defined much more broadly than simply killing people of a certain group.

    Indeed. Genocide’s daddy, Raphael Lemkin, included mental anguish. Which is to say badfeelz. As in, “Those Nazis over there are making me nervous.”

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  211. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    That would be considered anti-Semitic. There was some video the Trump campaign put out during the campaign featuring George Soros and others along with rhetoric about "globalists" that was criticized for being anti-Semitic.

    Is Nowrasteh Jewish? A quick Internet search doesn’t mention his religion, but his Iranian-American father co-wrote and directed a Christian movie, so I’m guessing not: http://www.newsmax.com/Hirsen/Hollywood-Faith-Religion-Christianity/2015/05/04/id/642389/

    Anyhow, to avoid claims of anti-Semitism, you can include non-Jewish pundits with similar views, and Jewish pundits with opposite views.

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  212. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    Jack Welsh's system of "Rank and Yank" or as he called it the Vitality Curve was cooked up by the globalist consultant psychopaths at Mckinsey and Company 40 years ago.

    It's popularity is now in steep decline as originally managers were given the task of destroying the careers of 8-10% of their workforce each year. This caused much stress and many a nervous breakdown, even suicides, among the less than completely sociopath middle managers.

    Eventually most companies moved to a "Survivor" style system where each year one's coworkers decided to vote who got the ax. This has now decayed into a system of complete, often very ethnocentric, tribal/clique formation. UHWHITE males regardless of merit or demerit who still value individualism are given the boot by their Asian and South Asian coworkers. Of course the H-1B visa an other "nonimmigrant" indentured servants are given immunity.

    My question is under such a system why is Bret Stephens so sure that folks might just wake up and decide to give "his people" the boot instead???

    Are TWMNBN really so sure that their Latino, Black, Asian, Gay, Femicommunist minions are so blindly in love with them that they can not be turned against them?????

    Jack Welch’s reputation has declined since he left GE, when it turned out that GE’s amazingly consistent earnings growth owed more to Welch underfunding insurance reserves.

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  213. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Kyle McKenna
    No one is seriously proposing deportations of anyone. The purpose of this exercise is to accelerate the disenfranchisement, dispossession, and delegitimating of white Americans. This is why it finds space in the NYT.

    On point after point, America’s nonimmigrants are failing our country. Crime? A study by the Cato Institute notes that nonimmigrants are incarcerated at nearly twice the rate of illegal immigrants, and at more than three times the rate of legal ones.

    I bet Bret gets a real chuckle out of the fact that he can write such a thing and rest assured the (((programming))) will kick in so the idiot goyim NYT readers picture lower-class whites, their coethnics, not blacks.

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  214. Corvinus says:
    @Saxon
    Turfing a long-settled population of the land of the country they built is indeed genocide, even if it's being done subtly with government policy over several generations. I get that you're a weasel who's not going to use the actual definition of the term by the man who coined it as that would prove us right, though.

    “Turfing a long-settled population of the land of the country they built is indeed genocide…”

    Our nation was built by Europeans and non-Europeans, mate.

    “I get that you’re a weasel who’s not going to use the actual definition…”

    Genocide refers means the mass killing of substantial numbers of human beings. White people in the States are observably not being systematically murdered. Grow up.

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    You're so stupid that you don't know the difference between homicide and genocide. Homicide means killing people; genocide means killing A people. You don't have to resort to homicide to carry out a genocide.

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention

    Massive non-White immigration, massive promotion of race-mixing, "White privilege" indoctrination programs and never-ending hatred against Whites and White identity ARE GENOCIDE, you damnable turd. WE KNOW WHAT THE DESIRED END RESULT OF ALL THIS IS.

    , @Saxon
    Yes, I'm sure America was built by non-Europeans in equal proportions. That's why America had a 90% European-descended population in 1965! Those blacks and their amazing cotton-picking and cotton-building skills did it all, and whitey was just along for the ride.

    I've seen similar rhetoric from Canada, by the way, where the difference is even more stark. 97% European population in 1971 but because a few Chinese workers were also working on the railroad construction with dirt poor white workers, the narrative there is that they built everything.

    Also, go look up the UN's own definition of Genocide created by the man who coined the word. Stop being literally ignorant to claims something that is obviously happening somehow isn't.
    , @TomSchmidt
    Why wonder when a google search reveals, FROM THE FREAKING UN:

    Genocide is defined in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part ; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and]
    forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

    Mass killing means genocide, true. genocide does not ONLY mean mass killing.
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  215. Corvinus says:
    @Alec Leamas


    ...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
    — Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2

     

    Genocide is defined much more broadly than simply killing people of a certain group.

    “Genocide is defined much more broadly than simply killing people of a certain group.”

    So say the white nationalists when they insist that immigration fits the criteria for genocide. Pro-race is code for anti-humanity.

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    So say the white nationalists when they insist that immigration fits the criteria for genocide. Pro-race is code for anti-humanity.
     
    If people were allowed to say: "Boy, it might be smart to shut down the borders for a while so everyone can assimilate" I might be more in agreement with you.

    As it is, if people who say something rational like that get shouted down with "Racist, Nazi, KKK!!!", I'm not too terribly sorry to have white genocide appear on the scene as it's natural push back.

    I wouldn't have picked "genocide",either, as a term. But it gets attention. And it matches the emotional punch of the other side. I think we're going to have to start to get our hands a wee bit dirty here.

    Will that rhetoric go too far? I hope not, but certainly within the realm of possibility. The other alternative is collapse through complete chaos because there was no effective push back. I'm thinking there's nothing good here, only the lessor of many evils. So I'll take the words right now.

    If you have an effective, idea I'm all ears. As it is, we can't afford to keep losing anymore.

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  216. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon

    And that same “founding stock” held similar attitudes toward ethnic groups like the Irish, Germans, Italians, the Chinese, the Assyrians, and the Slavs.
     
    Which is surely why they permitted them to immigrate in the first place, right? In any event, don't the founding stock of a country have the right to set the limits of who shall and shall not be allowed to settle here?

    It wasn’t about “racial dispossession”, it was about “ethnic superiority”. You have an annoying way of whitewashing the truth.
     
    You change the phrase at the heart of the guys argument, and then you accuse him of "whitewashing the truth". You have not the vaguest sense of what the word "truth" even means

    Why do you always argue so dishonestly? Are you a congenital liar?


    But if you insist on foolishly and incorrectly using this term, go right ahead.
     
    It is you who don't seem to know what the word means (unsurprising, as there is so much you do not know):

    http://www.un.org/en/preventgenocide/adviser/pdf/osapg_analysis_framework.pdf


    Legal definition of genocide:

    Genocide is defined in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
     

    “In any event, don’t the founding stock of a country have the right to set the limits of who shall and shall not be allowed to settle here?”

    American citizens, which includes those ethnic groups who helped to build American in its early stages, of course have the liberty to make laws that limit people from entering our nation. I have always recognized this right.

    “You change the phrase at the heart of the guys argument…”

    No, I properly corrected him.

    “in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group”

    White people are not physically or legally being prevented from having children.

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    No, I properly corrected him.
     
    No, you re-wrote what he said. That is fundmentally deceitful.

    White people are not physically or legally being prevented from having children.
     
    They are economically and culturally discouraged from having children.
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  217. Kylie says:
    @guest
    I think the above poster's point hinged on "fellow," which strictly means "of the same kind." If the elite and Johnny Deepindebt are both citizens, then they're fellows insofar as that goes. They're also alike in that they each possess one head and one heart, but such similarities hardly matter to John Q. Bankington.

    Fellowship connotes friendship and comradeship, and there's very little of that between different kinds of U.S. citizens, I find. Except in the abstract, most heartfelt for a couple of minutes after major disasters.

    I see. Thanks for the clarification.

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  218. @AM

    I was not so sanguine about his choice of the word “improve” …
     
    And the question becomes, why in the world do secular Jews feel the need to "improve" things? Who put them in charge of what's better, worse, or indifferent? Who they to judge, really?

    I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on good intentions. The actual attitude does not a get a free pass in my eyes. If the attitude claims innocence, then it cannot avoid it's arrogance.

    From Downton Abbey;

    Conservative Lady Violet to do-gooder Cousin Isobel.

    Lady Violet: You are quite wonderful, the way you see room for improvement wherever you look. I never knew such reforming zeal.

    Cousin Isobel: I take that as a compliment.

    Lady Violet (under her breath): I must have said it wrong.

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  219. Amasius says:
    @Corvinus
    "Turfing a long-settled population of the land of the country they built is indeed genocide..."

    Our nation was built by Europeans and non-Europeans, mate.

    "I get that you’re a weasel who’s not going to use the actual definition..."

    Genocide refers means the mass killing of substantial numbers of human beings. White people in the States are observably not being systematically murdered. Grow up.

    You’re so stupid that you don’t know the difference between homicide and genocide. Homicide means killing people; genocide means killing A people. You don’t have to resort to homicide to carry out a genocide.

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention

    Massive non-White immigration, massive promotion of race-mixing, “White privilege” indoctrination programs and never-ending hatred against Whites and White identity ARE GENOCIDE, you damnable turd. WE KNOW WHAT THE DESIRED END RESULT OF ALL THIS IS.

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    "Massive non-White immigration, massive promotion of race-mixing, “White privilege” indoctrination programs and never-ending hatred against Whites and White identity ARE GENOCIDE, you damnable turd. "

    These four phenomenon clearly do not meet the criteria. Regarding "non-white immigration", note that you added a qualifier, "non-white". Assuming that immigration = genocide, then any and all movement of people regardless of race or ethnicity would count. Thus, the ancestors of white Americans would be guilty, and modern day citizens would be held accountable for those transgressions. They have to go back.

    Regarding "massive promotion of race-mixing", please note that throughout human history there has been the willful intermixing of racial and ethnic groups. In essence, it is the liberty of people to choose whom they marry and procreate. Indeed, men and women who marry outside of their race and ethnicity are actively encouraging their fellow human beings to follow their own path. Yet, it would appear you would curtail or even ban this activity. How would you propose regulating such conduct globally? How do you enforce such standards?

    Regarding "white privilege" and "never-ending hatred of whites", clearly you are employing emotional language. In order to demonstrate how these two phenomenon causes "mental harm", you must offer substantial evidence rather than feelings to convince tens of millions of white people that they are being systematically murdered. You have a tremendous task ahead of you.
    , @ben tillman

    You’re so stupid that you don’t know the difference between homicide and genocide. Homicide means killing people; genocide means killing A people. You don’t have to resort to homicide to carry out a genocide.
     
    Exactly.
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  220. On my website I wrote an article about how the “nation of immigrants” rhetoric is implicitly offensive to those born in the USA. http://thebarbaricgentleman.com/2017/03/11/isnt-nation-immigrants-bit-offensive/

    I guess now the offensiveness is okay to be explicit.

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  221. “I’m sure Bret wrote lots of editorials when he was editor of the Jerusalem Post about how Israel needs lots of non-Jewish immigrants. Right?”

    Open borders for Israel! I’ve never seen a country that needs multiculturalism so badly. It’s another South Africa practicing apartheid. The world should do something about them.

    And next on the list is Saudi Arabia. I hear it’s full of only…Arabs! They need enrichment, poor souls. Africa’s population is set to double this century, and as they’ll never be able to feed themselves, well, there’s a good fit, am I right?

    Steve seems to be getting more and more red-pilled on the JQ as time goes on. It’s apparent he noticed, and once you notice, once you see them, you can’t unsee them.

    Anti-Semitism is, at the heart of it, noticing.

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  222. MikeCLT says:

    I originally thought that NYT readers might object to deporting African Americans (if they were able to make that connection). But the demographic changes in NYC the past 20 years and the popularity of Rudy and Bloomberg show that NYers really approve of using the NYPD as a deportation force.

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  223. Saxon says:
    @Corvinus
    "Turfing a long-settled population of the land of the country they built is indeed genocide..."

    Our nation was built by Europeans and non-Europeans, mate.

    "I get that you’re a weasel who’s not going to use the actual definition..."

    Genocide refers means the mass killing of substantial numbers of human beings. White people in the States are observably not being systematically murdered. Grow up.

    Yes, I’m sure America was built by non-Europeans in equal proportions. That’s why America had a 90% European-descended population in 1965! Those blacks and their amazing cotton-picking and cotton-building skills did it all, and whitey was just along for the ride.

    I’ve seen similar rhetoric from Canada, by the way, where the difference is even more stark. 97% European population in 1971 but because a few Chinese workers were also working on the railroad construction with dirt poor white workers, the narrative there is that they built everything.

    Also, go look up the UN’s own definition of Genocide created by the man who coined the word. Stop being literally ignorant to claims something that is obviously happening somehow isn’t.

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    "Yes, I’m sure America was built by non-Europeans in equal proportions."

    Without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes. By 1840, cotton cultivation provided over 50% of all American export earnings, with this revenue paying a substantial share for the capital, iron, and manufactured products that served as the basis for economic growth. Since the South specialized in cotton, the North developed a plethora of service-related industries for its counterpart.

    "That’s why America had a 90% European-descended population in 1965!"

    You seem to forget that the nativists were other than keen on the idea that the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, and the Slavs had descended in large numbers to our shores.

    "Also, go look up the UN’s own definition of Genocide created by the man who coined the word. Stop being literally ignorant to claims something that is obviously happening somehow isn’t."

    Immigration nor miscegenation are part of that definition.
    , @William Badwhite
    Why does anyone bother engaging with this clown? He's just a wordy version of Tiny Dick
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  224. Poke646,0 says:
    @WR
    "I say concede on the transgender civil rights matter—it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously, hopefully leading to a total collapse of this new, ultra PC movement."

    From a logical point of view, your strategy makes sense. Yet, it doesn't work that way. Twenty years ago, you could have equally stated "I say concede on the gay civil rights matter—it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous (such as giving trans freedom to use the bathroom of their self-identified gender) that no one will take them seriously, hopefully leading to a total collapse of this new, ultra PC movement. Twenty years, a trans adolescent was generally perceived as a freak; nowadays in "progressive" HS, s/he can reach the status of cool kid. Once the cultural left declares complete victory on transgender rights, they will seek new frontiers to promote their insanity. FYI, a few of them are already moving into human-animal love territory. I know, as of today, the vast majority of the US population finds this repulsive. Yet, wait till they start regularly writing ground-breaking pieces in media outlets, subtly introducing the subject in commercials, purposely creating cool characters in sitcoms who sympathize with this "totally natural form of love", etc. Remember that they have the megaphone.

    No…the next “civil right” (((they))) will be working on is man-boy relationships, then full on pedophilia will be normalized.

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  225. White men are being deprived of social status and property because of eeoc and it’s failure to obey the law as in 703j of title 7 of the civil rights act.

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  226. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Opinionator
    People like Bret Stephens and the Young Turks crowd think Trump is the last chance for the White men who just don’t get it. They think once Whitey is finally brought down along with Trump, then the good times can begin again.

    What sort of good times do you think he is envisioning?

    He’s thinking of the good old days in Russia 1918 to 1950.

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  227. bomag says:
    @Perspective
    I've seen White liberals use arguments that since the US and Canada are on "stolen land" (evidently they don't believe in right of conquest), it is immoral or wrong to ban people from coming here. They seem to completely overlook the fact that mass immigration also results in Amerindians being displaced by people who care even less of them than Native born Whites do.

    Agree. Good comment.

    … overlook the fact that mass immigration also results in Amerindians being displaced by people who care even less of them than Native born Whites do.

    Yet another example where Libs can’t grasp the consequences of their policies.

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  228. Art Deco says:
    @Opinionator
    There is observably no deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation, taking place.

    Actually that is precisely what is going on.

    Actually that is precisely what is going on.

    In your imagination only, something anyone can verify for themselves by examining demographic statistics for the West Bank and Gaza (as well as the Arab population of Israel). Lying is your hobby.

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    You missed the point entirely.

    With respect to the one you raise, Israel has been killing off the best and brightest of Palestinian Gentiles for decades. Those cut off from their homeland as a result of forcible expulsions number in the millions. Israel has imposed conditions on those remaining that are aimed at squeezing them off their remaining land. Genocide.

    We're still waiting for a citation to support the claim you like to make in these pages that Israel has made two offers to relinquish the West Bank.
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  229. Art Deco says:
    @AM

    Households enrolled in SNAP (formerly Food Stamps) receive a mean of $250 a month. Lashonda’s not livin’ large on sums of that dimension. Not quite a quarter of those receiving SNAP benefits are children. About 20% are old or disabled.
     
    I've helped a single, older relative with no dependents receive benefits. Someone on Food Stamps is almost always on a slew of related programs. If you added up all the benefits, you might be shocked at the amount disposable income they have in end. The relative in question had about $800 a month of income from social security. However, in addition to food stamps, she had section 8 help, heating help, and medicaid. Between all the benefits, she had roughly $400+ a month of money she could whatever it was she wanted to do with it. Every single application only asked about cash income, it never considered a defined benefit as help.

    One of the reasons our "Lashonda" is not married is because her disposable income would go way down if she did.

    It baffles me that everyone quite so enamored and expert on the poor has never helped them directly. If they did, they would know the whole voter ID issue was BS. They'd also know that the US's welfare system is not bad of a deal either, if you can work the system.

    I’ve helped a single, older relative with no dependents receive benefits. Someone on Food Stamps is almost always on a slew of related programs.

    Not really. The census of the SNAP program is 10 x the census of the TANF program. Section 8, which is such an obsession in these parts, has about 1 million households on its rolls, or < 5% the number enrolled in SNAP. The budget of LIHEAP, the subsidy to utility charges, is < 10% of the budget of SNAP. SNAP is by far the most prevalent of the federal programs for those who are neither elderly nor disabled. There are auxiliary nutrition programs which have budgets which sum to about $30 bn. These are mostly in-kind (school lunch and school breakfast programs) or otherwise restricted (WIC).

    You referred to 'an elderly relative'. Social Security recipients are more prevalent (by a factor of 12) than TANF recipients. Lashonda's not popping babies while collecting Social Security. The median age for awards of old-age, disability, or survivors benefits are (IIRC) 63, 49, and 57, respectively. Only about 20% of those awarded disability benefits have any dependents, much less a baby.

    One of the reasons our “Lashonda” is not married is because her disposable income would go way down if she did.

    Thirty-odd years ago, RM Kaus summarized prevailing schools of thought on the influence of welfare benefits on family formation as follows: the ‘bribe theory’ (promoted by Charles Murray and, endorsed tentatively by Thomas Sowell) and the ‘umbilical cord theory’ (which held that programs fed an extant social tendency). After 1996, you cut the size of the welfare rolls by 2/3 through term-limiting it. The effect on the prevalence of divorce and bastardy was too small to measure. And that’s not surprising. Messy domestic lives are characteristic of people all up and down the social scale and by 1996 the majority of 1st born children were so out of wedlock – largely to wage earning families who had never and would never have anything to do with AFDC / TANF or Section 8 or LIHEAP (and would collect unemployment compensation or Food Stamps for brief periods only).

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  230. Art Deco says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    It's possible he'd be happy about 1 million east Asians or Europeans converting to Judiasm and moving to Israel.

    A lot of liberal American Jews pushed really hard to force Israel to let in Ethiopian Christians whose ancestors were Jewish.

    If you really want to get angry, read the editorials in the Bezos Post.

    A lot of liberal American Jews pushed really hard to force Israel to let in Ethiopian Christians whose ancestors were Jewish.

    The Falashas are Jews. It’s an antique species of Judaism whose scriptures include only the Pentateuch. Their rituals include animal sacrifice. The groundwork for airlifting the Falashas to Israel was laid during Menachem Begin’s ministries and the initiative was the prime minister’s. No one from New York or Boston was twisting his arm.

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  231. Art Deco says:
    @Cloudbuster
    A lot of people receiving SNAP are also receiving other benefits. By the time you add up the SNAP, the Section 8 housing, the TANF, the WIC, the Medicaid (huge) and the utility subsidies, the take isn't half bad. I am a landlord and I have tenants who are part of multi-generational welfare families. It goes on all the time. When they finally age out of parenting, they start going for disability.

    The perverse incentives are the worst. The reason a lot of these women and men never marry is that there is economic incentive not to. By staying single and by the boyfriend not "officially" living with the woman, his income is completely off the books for the purposes of calculating her benefits. Marriage is a penalty.

    The one I have seen get married and get off the dole was more motivated by her own dignity than by the short-term financial incentives.

    She had a pretty good future-orientation for a black, as well, and could see the value of marriage and education in the long term. There's a sizable underclass that doesn't appreciate that at all, or, at least, doesn't have the persistence, intelligence and will to follow through on the knowledge.

    A lot of people receiving SNAP are also receiving other benefits. By the time you add up the SNAP, the Section 8 housing, the TANF, the WIC, the Medicaid (huge) and the utility subsidies, the take isn’t half bad. I

    Again, the census of these programs is a small fraction of the SNAP census. The exception is Medicaid. There are problems with Medicaid in-terms of the incentives it incorporates and the effect thereof on the market for medical services. That having been said, the program doesn’t add much to the day to day utility of a slum household. There is no ‘haul’, unless you consider emergency room visits something you’d do for pleasure.

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    Money is fungible. Money you don't have to spend on healthcare is available for other purposes.
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  232. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon
    And - again - that doesn't matter. The fact is that SNAP and similar benefits subsizie the worst, least productive people to reproduce themselves in numbers greater than they otherwise would - to spawn a generation of thugs who do great harm to society out of proportion to their numbers.

    Over the last 40-odd years, the share of personal income devoted to groceries has declined from 15% to 6% as society has grown more affluent. The observable effect of the affordability of groceries on total fertility rates has been nil, as is the number of people you’re going to find who will refrain from having a kid for want of $125 a month in grocery subsidies.

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    You really are dense, aren't you. Go take a walk through East St. Louis some night, and you might get an idea of what the welfare state has wrought. And while some feral thugs are pounding your head against the pavement, you can quote some statistics to them as to why neither they, nor the policies which made them possible, are really any cause for concern.

    Nitwit.

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  233. fnn says:
    @Johnus0
    The Jews also discriminate against other Jews, just that people don't talk about it.

    http://diversitymachtfrei.blogspot.it/2017/06/israeli-doctors-tested-yemeni.html

    Of course, this was a case of Jews acting against other Jews. Or was it? Note that some of the experiments tested the children for “negro blood”. So perhaps those performing the experiments weren’t entirely convinced that their Yemeni immigrant victims really were Jews in a racial sense. Imagine something like this happening anywhere other than Israel, and you can easily see how another “blood libel” scandal would get going.

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  234. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous
    Maybe. I'm old enough to remember the pre 1960s civil right conflicts, Brown vs Topeka and de segregation

    Southern Whites were demonized for segregation and controlling black crime since at least WW2.

    Southern legal systems did not do a bang up job of crime control prior to 1965. Take a gander at homicide statistics from the 1920s.

    You could say a great many things about the South as it was 70 years ago, but praising the police and courts therein would be perverse.

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  235. Art Deco says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Art, Not looking to engage in a pissing contest, but about 72% of all black children are born to single mothers and I am sure that in some inner cities that percentage approaches 90% or better and 75% of people on food stamps receive other welfare benefits.

    Art, Not looking to engage in a pissing contest, but about 72% of all black children are born to single mothers and I am sure that in some inner cities that percentage approaches 90% or better and 75% of people on food stamps receive other welfare benefits.

    About 40% of all children are born out of wedlock, including the majority of 1st born children. Some are legitimated post-partum and some born within wedlock are born into households which include the mother’s (or father’s) previous trysts. The frequency of this among white Anglos exceeds that logged by blacks at the time of the Moynihan report in 1965. It’s a cheesy world we live in.

    Again, ‘other welfare programs’ generally have a small census compared to SNAP, so you’re not looking at more than 10% or 15% who are beneficiaries of these others, as a rule. The exceptions are other nutrition programs (which are largely in-kind), Social Security and SSI (which seldom benefits anyone in a situation to bear children), and Medicaid (which is illiquid and mainly prevents the vicissitudes of life from damaging one’s situation).

    Who benefits from SNAP and Medicaid? Largely impecunious wage-earners, old people, and the infirm. There is a lumpen clientele there too. SNAP and Medicaid are unlike the old AFDC program or public housing as it was ca. 1970, as these others were programs targeted at a lumpen clientele.

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  236. Kylie says:

    Harry, the argument that tax deductions are the same as welfare benefits is also applied by idiots to Social Security.

    And I’m betting that these same idiots, or others of their ilk, are the ones who decided to remove the “stigma” of receiving food stamps by replacing them with “Dignity cards”.

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  237. @Art Deco
    A lot of people receiving SNAP are also receiving other benefits. By the time you add up the SNAP, the Section 8 housing, the TANF, the WIC, the Medicaid (huge) and the utility subsidies, the take isn’t half bad. I

    Again, the census of these programs is a small fraction of the SNAP census. The exception is Medicaid. There are problems with Medicaid in-terms of the incentives it incorporates and the effect thereof on the market for medical services. That having been said, the program doesn't add much to the day to day utility of a slum household. There is no 'haul', unless you consider emergency room visits something you'd do for pleasure.

    Money is fungible. Money you don’t have to spend on healthcare is available for other purposes.

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    Money is fungible. Money you don’t have to spend on healthcare is available for other purposes.
     
    Art Deco doesn't understand that. He doesn't understand many things. He is a high-functioning retard.
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  238. @Corvinus
    "Turfing a long-settled population of the land of the country they built is indeed genocide..."

    Our nation was built by Europeans and non-Europeans, mate.

    "I get that you’re a weasel who’s not going to use the actual definition..."

    Genocide refers means the mass killing of substantial numbers of human beings. White people in the States are observably not being systematically murdered. Grow up.

    Why wonder when a google search reveals, FROM THE FREAKING UN:

    Genocide is defined in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948) as “any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part ; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and]
    forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.”

    Mass killing means genocide, true. genocide does not ONLY mean mass killing.

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    It's called context. When I responded to a poster, I was using the dictionary definition. Of course, there is the United Nations definition. Immigration and miscegenation are not specified there.
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  239. @Harry Baldwin
    According to John Podhoretz, Ben Shapiro, and David French, conservatives must sit back and endure left-wing assaults with dignified forbearance. Only that way will we eventually earn the Left's respect. To fight the enemy with his own Alinskyite techniques would lower ourselves to his level. Sure it might ultimately defeat him, but is such a victory worthy of us?

    Conservative = Good Loser.

    Not neccessarily.

    During the Iraq War debate, most “conservative” intellectuals were extremely strong proponents of immediate military action. They made the case that removing Saddam Hussein from power was neccessary if America wanted to win the “War on Terror” and if America wanted to punish the 9/11 attackers. They also insulted the anti-war side as being “unpatriotic” and “cowardly.”

    However, “liberals” put up very weak opposition. Later, when it became clear that Iraq had no WMDs or 9/11 links, “liberals” never made much of an issue of that.

    So “conservatives” were hardcore fanatics with respect to the Iraq War, while “liberals” were a weak opposition.

    The Iraq War isn’t really an isolated case. For example, on the issue of taxes and deregulation, “conservatives” ususally get their way. Same with trade.

    For many years, the grassroots left has complained that “their” leaders aren’t willing to fight for progressive principles and “compromise” too much with corporate power, Wall Street, and military hawks. So in 2004, many of them threw their support behind anti-war firebrand Howard Dean. In 2008, they backed “Hope and Change” Obama. In 2016, many went for socialist Bernie Sanders.

    Then, of course, you have the US-Israeli relationship. Unequivocal support of Israel is extremely important to “conservatives.” They literally never compromise on that. Back a few years ago, “conservatives” and “liberals” humiliated Obama for having a slight disagreeement with Netanyahu.

    So apparently “conservatives” can be very strong fighters on some issues, but weak on other issues (immigration, nationalist populism, support for Trump). Hmmm……….. Very strange………. Very, very strange…………

    By the way, what do (((Shapiro))), (((Podhoretz))), (((Stephens))), (((Brooks))), (((Kristol))), (((Goldberg))), and the other (((Neo-kahns))) have in common? Hmmm………….

    Some day I hope that I’ll be able to figure out the answers to these perplexing questions……….

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    So apparently “conservatives” can be very strong fighters on some issues, but weak on other issues

    You're right of course. You make a better point than I did.
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  240. Maciano says:

    It’s ppl like Stephens who cause antisemitism. Neocons never learn, yet they never forget either.

    I’m pro-Jewish myself, but op-eds like these are the equivalent of sending your kid to a black school, muslims pushing for special privileges in your local community, feminists making your son’s college years hell and gays volunteering to give your 12yo kid’s class sexual education.

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  241. @Opinionator
    What ethnicity were the English middle class? Norman or commoner?

    An interesting question. Unlike the Continental aristocracies, the English one was always open to marriage outside of the magic circle. The result: no Revolution.
    And since the heir alone received the entirety of the family’s estate, the younger sons and perforce the daughters married whomever they could, and very often into the rising middle class.
    The result? A middle class which is a mixture of old families and new, of Norman conqueror and Saxon yeoman.
    Harold Macmillan is an example of what I mean: grandson of a Scottish crofter, his father made a fortune as a publisher, sent his son to Eton and that son, Harold, marrying the daughter of the Duke of Devonshire, became Prime Minister of England.

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    Interesting, thanks.

    Is the pattern you note (linking outmarriage to peaceful relations) something that is widely recognized by historians (of England, Europe, or elsewhere) and anthropologists? Is there any literature on it?
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  242. @Old Palo Altan
    An interesting question. Unlike the Continental aristocracies, the English one was always open to marriage outside of the magic circle. The result: no Revolution.
    And since the heir alone received the entirety of the family's estate, the younger sons and perforce the daughters married whomever they could, and very often into the rising middle class.
    The result? A middle class which is a mixture of old families and new, of Norman conqueror and Saxon yeoman.
    Harold Macmillan is an example of what I mean: grandson of a Scottish crofter, his father made a fortune as a publisher, sent his son to Eton and that son, Harold, marrying the daughter of the Duke of Devonshire, became Prime Minister of England.

    Interesting, thanks.

    Is the pattern you note (linking outmarriage to peaceful relations) something that is widely recognized by historians (of England, Europe, or elsewhere) and anthropologists? Is there any literature on it?

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    The pattern is so widely recognised that it is simply taken for granted, at least in England.
    Off hand I would guess that Sir Anthon Wagner's classic book English Genealogy at least touches upon the topic.
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  243. @Art Deco
    Actually that is precisely what is going on.

    In your imagination only, something anyone can verify for themselves by examining demographic statistics for the West Bank and Gaza (as well as the Arab population of Israel). Lying is your hobby.

    You missed the point entirely.

    With respect to the one you raise, Israel has been killing off the best and brightest of Palestinian Gentiles for decades. Those cut off from their homeland as a result of forcible expulsions number in the millions. Israel has imposed conditions on those remaining that are aimed at squeezing them off their remaining land. Genocide.

    We’re still waiting for a citation to support the claim you like to make in these pages that Israel has made two offers to relinquish the West Bank.

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    With respect to the one you raise, Israel has been killing off the best and brightest of Palestinian Gentiles for decades. T

    No, it has killed off a modest number of brigands enrolled in Husseini's irregulars, in winglests of the PLO, and later among the population of rather unstable people who like to blow themselves up or stab random people on the street. It's also killed people unlucky enough to be in the line of fire. These aren't 'the best and the brightest'. The best have other things to do with their lives. The brightest among the non-best have been holed up in various loci (Cairo, Beirut, Damascus, Morningside Heights) directing the activities of various suckas or making sales pitches for suckadom. Edward Said and George Habash died in bed.



    Those cut off from their homeland as a result of forcible expulsions number in the millions. Israel has imposed conditions on those remaining that are aimed at squeezing them off their remaining land.

    Meanwhile, back in the real world. Israel controls less territory than it did 50 years ago, 25 years ago, or 15 years ago and made two failed attempts to off-load territory on the Arab politicians on the West Bank and Gaza. Neither the politicians nor the public want the territory if the price is dismantling their criminal networks and leaving the Jews in peace. North of 80% of the population of the West Bank and Gaza is not living within any Israeli security perimeter or under any Israeli civil authority. "Squeezing them off their remaining land" is referred to by normal people, descriptively as : "Putting up a prefabricated cottage in a settlement that has been in place for 35 years". You don't want the settlements there, you should state your terms. The trouble is, your terms are dead Jews and they're unwilling to bend their neck for the axe. Funny thing about that.


    Genocide.

    When your population increases by about 6-fold over a period of 70 years and the number killed during the course of armed violence with your enemy doesn't make it out of five digits, there is no genocide. Math is hard, Barbie.



    I think you'd benefit from living in the world that is and not in fantasy worlds of your own manufacture, but that might be injurious to your self-image.
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  244. I agree. Let’s deport all the #NotMyPresident libtards and self proclaimed “world citizens”.

    If Trump is not your president, this is not your country, GTFO.

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    If I recall correctly, many of them were planning to leave of their own volition if Trump was elected. I guess those statements were worth as much as everything else they have to say.
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  245. @JohnnyWalker123
    Not neccessarily.

    During the Iraq War debate, most "conservative" intellectuals were extremely strong proponents of immediate military action. They made the case that removing Saddam Hussein from power was neccessary if America wanted to win the "War on Terror" and if America wanted to punish the 9/11 attackers. They also insulted the anti-war side as being "unpatriotic" and "cowardly."

    However, "liberals" put up very weak opposition. Later, when it became clear that Iraq had no WMDs or 9/11 links, "liberals" never made much of an issue of that.

    So "conservatives" were hardcore fanatics with respect to the Iraq War, while "liberals" were a weak opposition.

    The Iraq War isn't really an isolated case. For example, on the issue of taxes and deregulation, "conservatives" ususally get their way. Same with trade.

    For many years, the grassroots left has complained that "their" leaders aren't willing to fight for progressive principles and "compromise" too much with corporate power, Wall Street, and military hawks. So in 2004, many of them threw their support behind anti-war firebrand Howard Dean. In 2008, they backed "Hope and Change" Obama. In 2016, many went for socialist Bernie Sanders.

    Then, of course, you have the US-Israeli relationship. Unequivocal support of Israel is extremely important to "conservatives." They literally never compromise on that. Back a few years ago, "conservatives" and "liberals" humiliated Obama for having a slight disagreeement with Netanyahu.

    So apparently "conservatives" can be very strong fighters on some issues, but weak on other issues (immigration, nationalist populism, support for Trump). Hmmm........... Very strange.......... Very, very strange............

    By the way, what do (((Shapiro))), (((Podhoretz))), (((Stephens))), (((Brooks))), (((Kristol))), (((Goldberg))), and the other (((Neo-kahns))) have in common? Hmmm.............

    Some day I hope that I'll be able to figure out the answers to these perplexing questions..........

    So apparently “conservatives” can be very strong fighters on some issues, but weak on other issues

    You’re right of course. You make a better point than I did.

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  246. What if your family has been here for hundreds of years and had nothing to do with Ellis Island. Does he not realize how many of us there are?

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    What if your family has been here for hundreds of years and had nothing to do with Ellis Island. Does he not realize how many of us there are?
     
    Yes, he does.

    He doesn't care.
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  247. AM says:
    @Corvinus
    "Genocide is defined much more broadly than simply killing people of a certain group."

    So say the white nationalists when they insist that immigration fits the criteria for genocide. Pro-race is code for anti-humanity.

    So say the white nationalists when they insist that immigration fits the criteria for genocide. Pro-race is code for anti-humanity.

    If people were allowed to say: “Boy, it might be smart to shut down the borders for a while so everyone can assimilate” I might be more in agreement with you.

    As it is, if people who say something rational like that get shouted down with “Racist, Nazi, KKK!!!”, I’m not too terribly sorry to have white genocide appear on the scene as it’s natural push back.

    I wouldn’t have picked “genocide”,either, as a term. But it gets attention. And it matches the emotional punch of the other side. I think we’re going to have to start to get our hands a wee bit dirty here.

    Will that rhetoric go too far? I hope not, but certainly within the realm of possibility. The other alternative is collapse through complete chaos because there was no effective push back. I’m thinking there’s nothing good here, only the lessor of many evils. So I’ll take the words right now.

    If you have an effective, idea I’m all ears. As it is, we can’t afford to keep losing anymore.

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  248. @al-Gharaniq

    Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens’ proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years
     
    Unlikely, but possible.

    and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so.
     
    The Dems would never have a chance of winning a major election ever again if this happened. Hell, they lost because they neglected a sizable portion of the American electorate (for fear of seeming racist, I'd assume). To move from neglect to out-right hostility would seal their fate—I don't see the career politicians going for it.

    If you think that I am an alarmist, think about how transgenderism evolved from marginal odd behavior in the late 90s to the most important civil rights issue of our times.
     
    I've always believed transgenderism became a civil rights issue since the same-sex marriage issue was settled. Transgender civil rights started to become the dominate issue only after the left won on same-sex marriage. Notice also how no one seems to care about gay rights anymore? Whenever LGBTQ issues are brought up, it's really the 'TQ+' portion that's the actual issue; there's no more political capital left in pandering to the 'LGB' crowd.

    I say concede on the transgender civil rights matter—it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously, hopefully leading to a total collapse of this new, ultra PC movement.

    And, as virtual ink on your comment is still drying, BBC would like you to focus on some issue so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/3216b48d-3195-4f67-8149-54586689ae3c?ns_campaign=bbc-three&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=paedophileshelp

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  249. @Sean

    A study by the Cato Institute notes that nonimmigrants are incarcerated at nearly twice the rate of illegal immigrants,
     
    He implies whites, but its actually third generation Hispanic and other immigrants, who fail in the culturally permissive US because they need the strict culture of their ancestral homeland to perform adequately ; they lack genetic adaptation for self control. There is plenty of evidence of progressively worse outcomes for Mexicans ect in education, health and crime. It's called negative assimilation.

    Very good point, 2nd and 3rd generation Latinos are more into gangs and have Diabetes more than their parents. However, Cato ignores the 2nd and 3rd generation.

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  250. @Kyle McKenna
    Half of the white population of this country is manifestly suicidal, and all of the other races are being propagandized 24/7/365 to see white people as the enemy.

    Despite the temporary setback of Trump's election, the Democrats' race replacement strategy is going swimmingly. Keep in mind that the Republicans helped them nearly every step of the way.

    The Democrats don't have to do anything but sit back and wait. If mass deportations of non-white immigrants were actually being considered, they might have to fight. So you can see why they contest even the slightest adjustment.

    What works best is take away the illegal immigrants jobs. I propose doing e-verify every two years which will picked up the illegal immigrants the second time around. This would caused 3 to 5 million to lose jobs. The remaining will be those in the black market which tend to not have offspring as much. Day laborers tend to go home more than prep cooks here illegality.

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  251. res says:
    @Disenfrenchised
    I agree. Let's deport all the #NotMyPresident libtards and self proclaimed "world citizens".

    If Trump is not your president, this is not your country, GTFO.

    If I recall correctly, many of them were planning to leave of their own volition if Trump was elected. I guess those statements were worth as much as everything else they have to say.

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  252. @Cagey Beast
    David Frum is part of the globalist minor nobility because his mother was a well-known TV journalist on the state-owned CBC. His sister got to be appointed a Canadian senator on the same ticket. Frum's wife is herself the daughter or step-daughter of a newspaper editor. Second and third generation mass media aristocrats of this sort seem to clog up every "respectable" news outlet. The only injection of fresh blood seems to come from the dozens of Gen X Soviet Jews who came over with their parents. If it wasn't for them, the Podhoretzes, Kristols, Kagans, Goldbergs and Frums would have to resort to AI technology to reproduce themselves.

    Frum has a recent piece in the Atlantic criticizing Trump for being weak on immigration.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/530673/

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  253. @guest
    "I say concede on the transgender civil rights matter--it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously"

    That's been the strategy of the mainstream conservative movement for decades, with all its attendant success.

    Transgender rights and the denial of sexual dimorphism isn't fringe and ridiculous enough for you? People made the exact same argument about gay marriage, and the left just kept on trucking. They lose more and more legitimacy the weirder they get, but they're still in charge and I don't want to watch them race civilization to see which will finish first.

    Nothing is too ridiculous that a significant portion of the population can't get behind it. They've already got pedophilia (or at least ephebophilia), polygamy (polyamory), and incest (consanguinamory) lined up.

    The trans civil war has already started, at least on YouTube. The obvious division in between the trannies that want to be attractive women, and those who want to break down gender. The left should have thought about this before starting WWT:

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  254. Bill B. says:
    @Anonymous
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/15/wealth-and-poverty-sit-side-by-side-in-grenfell-towers-borough

    http://www.standard.co.uk/Front/london-fire-inside-the-2k-grenfell-tower-flats-before-the-blaze-a3565416.html


    The borough is among London’s most unequal, with extreme poverty and wealth living side by side. Data shows that the vicinity of the tower was among the top 10% most deprived areas in England

    ... The constituency of Kensington ... is the wealthiest in England, with an average income tax bill of £51,000 per taxpayer in 2014-15. The average terraced house sold for £4.3m in 2016. The median weekly household income varies widely across the local authority, from £670 to £1,380.

     


    London fire: Inside the £2,000-a-month Grenfell Tower flats before the blaze
     
    Who knows how many flats actually looked like that but would it be safe to conjecture that the taxpayer is paying a lot of money to secure ethnic minority outposts within well-situated gentrifying areas?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Kensington


    North Kensington is where most of the violence of the Notting Hill race riots of 1958 occurred and where the Notting Hill Carnival started

    ... North Kensington was once an area well known for its slum housing ... but housing prices have now risen and the area on the whole is considered exclusive and upmarket, although expensive residences are interspersed with lower-income areas like the Lancaster West Estate [home to Grenfell Tower].
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancaster_West_Estate

    Many of the estate's problems, it was suggested, 'were drug related,' and in the 1990s the estate also suffered from gun violence ... In an attempt to bring residents together, during a time of racial tensions, the Catholic Archbishop of Westminster, Basil Hume, personally led a Good Friday service in the shadow of the tower block.
     

    Yes this is the economic model – a rich elite serviced by multiethnic peons – that is the cause of so much pain, sorrow and confusion. Confusion because of course the model itself is hidden by a continuously maintained screen of virtue-signaling and calls for equality and diversity.

    I finally got around to buying ‘The Pinch’ by David Willetts that explains some of the economics of white flight and migrant clustering. Steve recommended it a while back. A good book.

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  255. Corvinus says:
    @Amasius
    You're so stupid that you don't know the difference between homicide and genocide. Homicide means killing people; genocide means killing A people. You don't have to resort to homicide to carry out a genocide.

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention

    Massive non-White immigration, massive promotion of race-mixing, "White privilege" indoctrination programs and never-ending hatred against Whites and White identity ARE GENOCIDE, you damnable turd. WE KNOW WHAT THE DESIRED END RESULT OF ALL THIS IS.

    “Massive non-White immigration, massive promotion of race-mixing, “White privilege” indoctrination programs and never-ending hatred against Whites and White identity ARE GENOCIDE, you damnable turd. ”

    These four phenomenon clearly do not meet the criteria. Regarding “non-white immigration”, note that you added a qualifier, “non-white”. Assuming that immigration = genocide, then any and all movement of people regardless of race or ethnicity would count. Thus, the ancestors of white Americans would be guilty, and modern day citizens would be held accountable for those transgressions. They have to go back.

    Regarding “massive promotion of race-mixing”, please note that throughout human history there has been the willful intermixing of racial and ethnic groups. In essence, it is the liberty of people to choose whom they marry and procreate. Indeed, men and women who marry outside of their race and ethnicity are actively encouraging their fellow human beings to follow their own path. Yet, it would appear you would curtail or even ban this activity. How would you propose regulating such conduct globally? How do you enforce such standards?

    Regarding “white privilege” and “never-ending hatred of whites”, clearly you are employing emotional language. In order to demonstrate how these two phenomenon causes “mental harm”, you must offer substantial evidence rather than feelings to convince tens of millions of white people that they are being systematically murdered. You have a tremendous task ahead of you.

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  256. Corvinus says:
    @Saxon
    Yes, I'm sure America was built by non-Europeans in equal proportions. That's why America had a 90% European-descended population in 1965! Those blacks and their amazing cotton-picking and cotton-building skills did it all, and whitey was just along for the ride.

    I've seen similar rhetoric from Canada, by the way, where the difference is even more stark. 97% European population in 1971 but because a few Chinese workers were also working on the railroad construction with dirt poor white workers, the narrative there is that they built everything.

    Also, go look up the UN's own definition of Genocide created by the man who coined the word. Stop being literally ignorant to claims something that is obviously happening somehow isn't.

    “Yes, I’m sure America was built by non-Europeans in equal proportions.”

    Without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes. By 1840, cotton cultivation provided over 50% of all American export earnings, with this revenue paying a substantial share for the capital, iron, and manufactured products that served as the basis for economic growth. Since the South specialized in cotton, the North developed a plethora of service-related industries for its counterpart.

    “That’s why America had a 90% European-descended population in 1965!”

    You seem to forget that the nativists were other than keen on the idea that the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, and the Slavs had descended in large numbers to our shores.

    “Also, go look up the UN’s own definition of Genocide created by the man who coined the word. Stop being literally ignorant to claims something that is obviously happening somehow isn’t.”

    Immigration nor miscegenation are part of that definition.

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    Without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes. By 1840, cotton cultivation provided over 50% of all American export earnings, with this revenue paying a substantial share for the capital, iron, and manufactured products that served as the basis for economic growth. Since the South specialized in cotton, the North developed a plethora of service-related industries for its counterpart.
     
    The North had major industries not related the slave trade. I'd like to see you back up the claim that private profits going to plantation owners paid for northern industries. It's quite the stretch.

    This county was build with small farmers and people working their behinds off in small businesses. The South kept itself quite backward economically on it's capital heavy main industry. The economics of slavery were dicey in 1840 and it was getting worse.

    Brazil never stopped importing African slaves because they couldn't keep them alive. The slave trade there was dead before the 20th century.

    You seem to forget that the nativists were other than keen on the idea that the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, and the Slavs had descended in large numbers to our shores.
     
    Yes and that's quite sane. Different people are different and it's impossible to tell if advance that it's all going to work out. Yeah, it worked because they were all Christians, we closed the borders, and we pretty much insisted everyone go to the church of their choice, including blacks.

    So...are you going to church? Helping with assimilation? Because if it's not genocide, you should want something that not going to break down into chaos.
    , @Art Deco
    Without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes. By 1840, cotton cultivation provided over 50% of all American export earnings, with this revenue paying a substantial share for the capital, iron, and manufactured products that served as the basis for economic growth. Since the South specialized in cotton, the North developed a plethora of service-related industries for its counterpart.

    The north had an advantage in the realm of industrial development because its rivers could be used to power mills.

    The U.S. is not Sweden. It has a large domestic market. The ratio of exports to domestic product was generally less than 0.1 prior to the 2d World War).

    The population of British North America and then the United States surpassed that of the Netherlands during the colonial period, surpassed that of Brazil and Mexico by 1820, those of Prussia and Spain by about 1830, that of Britain by 1850, that of Japan by 1860, and those of France and the Hapsburg lands by 1870. By 1820 (per Angus Maddison), the standard of living in the U.S. was exceeded by that in the Netherlands, northern Italy, and Britain, but not verifiably anywhere else in the world. The productive capacity of the United States in 1820 would have been exceeded by that of Britain, France, and the Hapsburg lands in Europe (to the extent it can be verified) and perhaps India, China, and Japan elsewhere. We were already a notable economic power in 1820.

    While we're at it, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand managed to grow affluent without the use of slave labor.

    , @Art Deco
    Just a reminder: blacks accounted for between 13% and 20% of the total labor force during the ante-bellum period. I doubt agricultural labor at that time was particularly high in value-added as compared to industrial labor.
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  257. Corvinus says:
    @TomSchmidt
    Why wonder when a google search reveals, FROM THE FREAKING UN:

    Genocide is defined in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part ; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and]
    forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

    Mass killing means genocide, true. genocide does not ONLY mean mass killing.

    It’s called context. When I responded to a poster, I was using the dictionary definition. Of course, there is the United Nations definition. Immigration and miscegenation are not specified there.

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    "It’s called context."

    And yours was wrong.

    "When I responded to a poster, I was using the dictionary definition. Of course, there is the United Nations definition."

    And that is the one that is more relevant. Does Websters' Dictionary have any force of law?

    "Immigration and miscegenation are not specified there."

    Neither are "machine-guns", "machetes", or "poison gas".
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  258. Art Deco says:
    @Opinionator
    You missed the point entirely.

    With respect to the one you raise, Israel has been killing off the best and brightest of Palestinian Gentiles for decades. Those cut off from their homeland as a result of forcible expulsions number in the millions. Israel has imposed conditions on those remaining that are aimed at squeezing them off their remaining land. Genocide.

    We're still waiting for a citation to support the claim you like to make in these pages that Israel has made two offers to relinquish the West Bank.

    With respect to the one you raise, Israel has been killing off the best and brightest of Palestinian Gentiles for decades. T

    No, it has killed off a modest number of brigands enrolled in Husseini’s irregulars, in winglests of the PLO, and later among the population of rather unstable people who like to blow themselves up or stab random people on the street. It’s also killed people unlucky enough to be in the line of fire. These aren’t ‘the best and the brightest’. The best have other things to do with their lives. The brightest among the non-best have been holed up in various loci (Cairo, Beirut, Damascus, Morningside Heights) directing the activities of various suckas or making sales pitches for suckadom. Edward Said and George Habash died in bed.

    Those cut off from their homeland as a result of forcible expulsions number in the millions. Israel has imposed conditions on those remaining that are aimed at squeezing them off their remaining land.

    Meanwhile, back in the real world. Israel controls less territory than it did 50 years ago, 25 years ago, or 15 years ago and made two failed attempts to off-load territory on the Arab politicians on the West Bank and Gaza. Neither the politicians nor the public want the territory if the price is dismantling their criminal networks and leaving the Jews in peace. North of 80% of the population of the West Bank and Gaza is not living within any Israeli security perimeter or under any Israeli civil authority. “Squeezing them off their remaining land” is referred to by normal people, descriptively as : “Putting up a prefabricated cottage in a settlement that has been in place for 35 years”. You don’t want the settlements there, you should state your terms. The trouble is, your terms are dead Jews and they’re unwilling to bend their neck for the axe. Funny thing about that.

    Genocide.

    When your population increases by about 6-fold over a period of 70 years and the number killed during the course of armed violence with your enemy doesn’t make it out of five digits, there is no genocide. Math is hard, Barbie.

    I think you’d benefit from living in the world that is and not in fantasy worlds of your own manufacture, but that might be injurious to your self-image.

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    Awaiting that citation for Israel's offer to relinquish the West Bank.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Math is hard, Barbie.
     
    And it consists of more than plundering wikipedia for statistics, Poindexter.

    I think you’d benefit from living in the world that is and not in fantasy worlds of your own manufacture, but that might be injurious to your self-image.
     
    You apparently live in a fantasty world where the only relevant facts are random statistics you google-up.

    Tell us - have you ever touched a girl? I mean, one that wasn't inflated?

    Clown.
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  259. AM says:
    @Opinionator
    How is the voter ID issue bs?

    In order to apply for SNAP, medicaid, and Section 8, you have to have photo ID to prevent fraud. You need it at the SS office, too.

    Poor people have the IDs they need to vote. That’s why it was BS.

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    Gotcha
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  260. AM says:
    @Corvinus
    "Yes, I’m sure America was built by non-Europeans in equal proportions."

    Without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes. By 1840, cotton cultivation provided over 50% of all American export earnings, with this revenue paying a substantial share for the capital, iron, and manufactured products that served as the basis for economic growth. Since the South specialized in cotton, the North developed a plethora of service-related industries for its counterpart.

    "That’s why America had a 90% European-descended population in 1965!"

    You seem to forget that the nativists were other than keen on the idea that the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, and the Slavs had descended in large numbers to our shores.

    "Also, go look up the UN’s own definition of Genocide created by the man who coined the word. Stop being literally ignorant to claims something that is obviously happening somehow isn’t."

    Immigration nor miscegenation are part of that definition.

    Without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes. By 1840, cotton cultivation provided over 50% of all American export earnings, with this revenue paying a substantial share for the capital, iron, and manufactured products that served as the basis for economic growth. Since the South specialized in cotton, the North developed a plethora of service-related industries for its counterpart.

    The North had major industries not related the slave trade. I’d like to see you back up the claim that private profits going to plantation owners paid for northern industries. It’s quite the stretch.

    This county was build with small farmers and people working their behinds off in small businesses. The South kept itself quite backward economically on it’s capital heavy main industry. The economics of slavery were dicey in 1840 and it was getting worse.

    Brazil never stopped importing African slaves because they couldn’t keep them alive. The slave trade there was dead before the 20th century.

    You seem to forget that the nativists were other than keen on the idea that the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, and the Slavs had descended in large numbers to our shores.

    Yes and that’s quite sane. Different people are different and it’s impossible to tell if advance that it’s all going to work out. Yeah, it worked because they were all Christians, we closed the borders, and we pretty much insisted everyone go to the church of their choice, including blacks.

    So…are you going to church? Helping with assimilation? Because if it’s not genocide, you should want something that not going to break down into chaos.

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    Why was Brazil not able to keep slaves alive?
    , @Corvinus
    "The North had major industries not related the slave trade."

    Indeed.

    "I’d like to see you back up the claim that private profits going to plantation owners paid for northern industries. It’s quite the stretch."

    I never made that claim. My premise was "Without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes".

    "This county was build with small farmers and people working their behinds off in small businesses. The South kept itself quite backward economically on it’s capital heavy main industry. The economics of slavery were dicey in 1840 and it was getting worse."

    Not quite.

    http://faculty.weber.edu/kmackay/economics%20of%20slavery.asp

    "Brazil never stopped importing African slaves because they couldn’t keep them alive. The slave trade there was dead before the 20th century."

    The slave trade there was never "dead", it was dormant. Brazil relied heavily on the internal slave force. When coffee production exploded in the 1830's, for example, there was a renewed demand for African slaves.

    "Yeah, it worked because they were all Christians, we closed the borders, and we pretty much insisted everyone go to the church of their choice, including blacks."

    While the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, and the Slavs were generally Christian, there was a dividing line between Catholics and Protestants. They didn't get along. And America "closed its borders" to Asians. Was that a wise policy?

    "So…are you going to church? Helping with assimilation?"

    Yes. Are YOU?
    , @Steve Sailer
    Without slavery, the cotton states wouldn't have been much developed until technology improved enough for whites to work the land without dying in large numbers from warm-weather diseases, much like Florida south of the Panhandle was largely undeveloped until the 20th Century. The U.S. survived Florida not being much economically until recently, so it would have survived the cotton belt not developing for a couple of more generations.
    , @ben tillman

    Brazil never stopped importing African slaves because they couldn’t keep them alive.
     
    No, they chose not to. Africa was close enough to make the cost of replacement less than the cost of maintenance.
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  261. Art Deco says:
    @Corvinus
    "Yes, I’m sure America was built by non-Europeans in equal proportions."

    Without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes. By 1840, cotton cultivation provided over 50% of all American export earnings, with this revenue paying a substantial share for the capital, iron, and manufactured products that served as the basis for economic growth. Since the South specialized in cotton, the North developed a plethora of service-related industries for its counterpart.

    "That’s why America had a 90% European-descended population in 1965!"

    You seem to forget that the nativists were other than keen on the idea that the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, and the Slavs had descended in large numbers to our shores.

    "Also, go look up the UN’s own definition of Genocide created by the man who coined the word. Stop being literally ignorant to claims something that is obviously happening somehow isn’t."

    Immigration nor miscegenation are part of that definition.

    Without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes. By 1840, cotton cultivation provided over 50% of all American export earnings, with this revenue paying a substantial share for the capital, iron, and manufactured products that served as the basis for economic growth. Since the South specialized in cotton, the North developed a plethora of service-related industries for its counterpart.

    The north had an advantage in the realm of industrial development because its rivers could be used to power mills.

    The U.S. is not Sweden. It has a large domestic market. The ratio of exports to domestic product was generally less than 0.1 prior to the 2d World War).

    The population of British North America and then the United States surpassed that of the Netherlands during the colonial period, surpassed that of Brazil and Mexico by 1820, those of Prussia and Spain by about 1830, that of Britain by 1850, that of Japan by 1860, and those of France and the Hapsburg lands by 1870. By 1820 (per Angus Maddison), the standard of living in the U.S. was exceeded by that in the Netherlands, northern Italy, and Britain, but not verifiably anywhere else in the world. The productive capacity of the United States in 1820 would have been exceeded by that of Britain, France, and the Hapsburg lands in Europe (to the extent it can be verified) and perhaps India, China, and Japan elsewhere. We were already a notable economic power in 1820.

    While we’re at it, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand managed to grow affluent without the use of slave labor.

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    About 55% of the population lived in the free states in 1820; also, the upland areas of the slave states had a minimal slave population.
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  262. Art Deco says:
    @Art Deco
    Without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes. By 1840, cotton cultivation provided over 50% of all American export earnings, with this revenue paying a substantial share for the capital, iron, and manufactured products that served as the basis for economic growth. Since the South specialized in cotton, the North developed a plethora of service-related industries for its counterpart.

    The north had an advantage in the realm of industrial development because its rivers could be used to power mills.

    The U.S. is not Sweden. It has a large domestic market. The ratio of exports to domestic product was generally less than 0.1 prior to the 2d World War).

    The population of British North America and then the United States surpassed that of the Netherlands during the colonial period, surpassed that of Brazil and Mexico by 1820, those of Prussia and Spain by about 1830, that of Britain by 1850, that of Japan by 1860, and those of France and the Hapsburg lands by 1870. By 1820 (per Angus Maddison), the standard of living in the U.S. was exceeded by that in the Netherlands, northern Italy, and Britain, but not verifiably anywhere else in the world. The productive capacity of the United States in 1820 would have been exceeded by that of Britain, France, and the Hapsburg lands in Europe (to the extent it can be verified) and perhaps India, China, and Japan elsewhere. We were already a notable economic power in 1820.

    While we're at it, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand managed to grow affluent without the use of slave labor.

    About 55% of the population lived in the free states in 1820; also, the upland areas of the slave states had a minimal slave population.

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    Wonderful statistics offered. Stand alone, nonetheless.

    Again, without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes. By the 1830's, cotton was the centerpiece antebellum southern economy, and a vital cog in northern banking and shipping. The British textile industry was heavily dependent upon American cotton, as this commodity was shipped first to New York, then to England and Europe. Financial institutions in this city supplied the investment and loan capital to expand southern growing operations. Enslaved Africans were a commodity--they were used as collateral in business transactions, and their labor services were used to generate additional revenue. I refer to the artisan class of slaves. Furthermore, when calculating the value of plantations, the estimated value of each slave was included.
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  263. Art Deco says:
    @Corvinus
    "Yes, I’m sure America was built by non-Europeans in equal proportions."

    Without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes. By 1840, cotton cultivation provided over 50% of all American export earnings, with this revenue paying a substantial share for the capital, iron, and manufactured products that served as the basis for economic growth. Since the South specialized in cotton, the North developed a plethora of service-related industries for its counterpart.

    "That’s why America had a 90% European-descended population in 1965!"

    You seem to forget that the nativists were other than keen on the idea that the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, and the Slavs had descended in large numbers to our shores.

    "Also, go look up the UN’s own definition of Genocide created by the man who coined the word. Stop being literally ignorant to claims something that is obviously happening somehow isn’t."

    Immigration nor miscegenation are part of that definition.

    Just a reminder: blacks accounted for between 13% and 20% of the total labor force during the ante-bellum period. I doubt agricultural labor at that time was particularly high in value-added as compared to industrial labor.

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  264. Corvinus says:
    @Art Deco
    About 55% of the population lived in the free states in 1820; also, the upland areas of the slave states had a minimal slave population.

    Wonderful statistics offered. Stand alone, nonetheless.

    Again, without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes. By the 1830′s, cotton was the centerpiece antebellum southern economy, and a vital cog in northern banking and shipping. The British textile industry was heavily dependent upon American cotton, as this commodity was shipped first to New York, then to England and Europe. Financial institutions in this city supplied the investment and loan capital to expand southern growing operations. Enslaved Africans were a commodity–they were used as collateral in business transactions, and their labor services were used to generate additional revenue. I refer to the artisan class of slaves. Furthermore, when calculating the value of plantations, the estimated value of each slave was included.

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    Also, the South paid for most of the Federal budget with tariffs from cotton export.
    , @Art Deco
    Wonderful statistics offered. Stand alone, nonetheless.

    The implications of which went completely over your head. Anyone here can explain something to you. They cannot comprehend it for you.
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  265. DWB says: • Website
    @al-Gharaniq

    Unfortunately, I can foresee Stephens’ proposal becoming the enlightened view within academic circles in a couple of years
     
    Unlikely, but possible.

    and the official position of the Democratic Party in a decade or so.
     
    The Dems would never have a chance of winning a major election ever again if this happened. Hell, they lost because they neglected a sizable portion of the American electorate (for fear of seeming racist, I'd assume). To move from neglect to out-right hostility would seal their fate—I don't see the career politicians going for it.

    If you think that I am an alarmist, think about how transgenderism evolved from marginal odd behavior in the late 90s to the most important civil rights issue of our times.
     
    I've always believed transgenderism became a civil rights issue since the same-sex marriage issue was settled. Transgender civil rights started to become the dominate issue only after the left won on same-sex marriage. Notice also how no one seems to care about gay rights anymore? Whenever LGBTQ issues are brought up, it's really the 'TQ+' portion that's the actual issue; there's no more political capital left in pandering to the 'LGB' crowd.

    I say concede on the transgender civil rights matter—it will force the left to focus on issues so fringe and ridiculous that no one will take them seriously, hopefully leading to a total collapse of this new, ultra PC movement.

    It should have been obvious that this would be the next step, shouldn’t it?

    A metaphor about “civil rights” that I’ve found helpful describes the “struggle” as inherently fractal in nature. That is to say, if you take the war, cut off a tiny piece, that tiny piece will take on the same basic proportions/structure of the larger thing.

    So – here, the struggle for gay (or women’s or other group) rights starts as a large, legitimate battle. As the real battles are won, activists focus on increasingly small fights that they insist are just as large and important as the victories that are won.

    In this case, what we start with is the fight for gay people to be free of arrest by the police – basically, the right to exist without prosecution. It moves on to civil unions, then marriage, then adoption. Well, now that the big fights are over, we’re left with people seriously arguing about having the right to take a leak in the bathroom of one’s choice.

    And THAT is pitched as as critical a civil right as the original fight simply to exist.

    It’s non-sense, but the alternative is to declare victory and go home, which puts all the professional “activists” out of business. They would need to go find real employment.

    We can’t have that.

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    "basically, the right to exist without prosecution"

    I assume you mean persecution. But of course cops weren't bursting into people's homes in the dead of night to check everyone's genitals to see if they lined up properly. The movement started, supposedly, because cops impolitely raided gathering places where they were having sex in public. Thank God that sort of thing stopped, because where would AIDs have been without it?

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  266. DWB says: • Website
    @Frau Katze
    Most of the commenters support Stephens (except the part that they should be religious).

    One guy, though, thinks it through and says we can't continue like this indefinitely.

    A decent column. All the way up to the part about "native-born" Americans not reproducing enough, and the Japanese "demographic death spiral."What is it about conservatives and population? Why are they so consumed with the desire for ever-more people, and so utterly blind to the problems this brings?

    Here is what logic tells us, unimpeachably: 1) The earth is finite. 2) You cannot put an infinite quantity of anything into a finite container. 3) If that is the case, then, eventually, there will have to be a limit on the amount of people on earth. And 4) If that is the case, it makes infinitely more sense to start figuring out how to limit our numbers now than it would to do it under the threat of a looming Malthusian crisis.

    The "Japanese demographic death spiral" is like the "stagnant French economy" - a trope that conservatives drag out to frighten people and to obscure the more nuanced, more positive truth. France is a delightful place to live with some economic problems. And Japan is a functioning and creative modern country with some social-welfare challenges tied to its aging population. It is not some senescent hell-hole.

    Meanwhile, the US is a place of strained infrastructure, neglected children, suburban blight, diminished wild lands, and ever-more-light-polluted night skies. We have problems, too!

    We need to limit our numbers; it makes sense to do it now; this will entail challenges, but so would dong nothing. Why can't conservatives seem to see this?
     

    Seriously – I presume what you’ve quoted in the long quote box is the comment. Correct me if I am wrong:

    A decent column. All the way up to the part about “native-born” Americans not reproducing enough, and the Japanese “demographic death spiral.”What is it about conservatives and population? Why are they so consumed with the desire for ever-more people, and so utterly blind to the problems this brings?

    Here is what logic tells us, unimpeachably: 1) The earth is finite. 2) You cannot put an infinite quantity of anything into a finite container. 3) If that is the case, then, eventually, there will have to be a limit on the amount of people on earth. And 4) If that is the case, it makes infinitely more sense to start figuring out how to limit our numbers now than it would to do it under the threat of a looming Malthusian crisis.

    The “Japanese demographic death spiral” is like the “stagnant French economy” – a trope that conservatives drag out to frighten people and to obscure the more nuanced, more positive truth. France is a delightful place to live with some economic problems. And Japan is a functioning and creative modern country with some social-welfare challenges tied to its aging population. It is not some senescent hell-hole.

    Meanwhile, the US is a place of strained infrastructure, neglected children, suburban blight, diminished wild lands, and ever-more-light-polluted night skies. We have problems, too!

    We need to limit our numbers; it makes sense to do it now; this will entail challenges, but so would dong nothing. Why can’t conservatives seem to see this?

    So, reading between the lines is that the native population of the US needs to stop having families to make room for immigrants from other countries?

    Is this person insane? Stupid?

    We lived in France the past few years, and it actually is doing somewhat better than its western European neighbours in terms of fertility, but still not up to replacement. For the bobos in Paris, life is, indeed, quite pleasant, as long as they stay outside of the “vibrant” banlieues.

    Liberalism really is a mental disorder.

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  267. @Art Deco
    With respect to the one you raise, Israel has been killing off the best and brightest of Palestinian Gentiles for decades. T

    No, it has killed off a modest number of brigands enrolled in Husseini's irregulars, in winglests of the PLO, and later among the population of rather unstable people who like to blow themselves up or stab random people on the street. It's also killed people unlucky enough to be in the line of fire. These aren't 'the best and the brightest'. The best have other things to do with their lives. The brightest among the non-best have been holed up in various loci (Cairo, Beirut, Damascus, Morningside Heights) directing the activities of various suckas or making sales pitches for suckadom. Edward Said and George Habash died in bed.



    Those cut off from their homeland as a result of forcible expulsions number in the millions. Israel has imposed conditions on those remaining that are aimed at squeezing them off their remaining land.

    Meanwhile, back in the real world. Israel controls less territory than it did 50 years ago, 25 years ago, or 15 years ago and made two failed attempts to off-load territory on the Arab politicians on the West Bank and Gaza. Neither the politicians nor the public want the territory if the price is dismantling their criminal networks and leaving the Jews in peace. North of 80% of the population of the West Bank and Gaza is not living within any Israeli security perimeter or under any Israeli civil authority. "Squeezing them off their remaining land" is referred to by normal people, descriptively as : "Putting up a prefabricated cottage in a settlement that has been in place for 35 years". You don't want the settlements there, you should state your terms. The trouble is, your terms are dead Jews and they're unwilling to bend their neck for the axe. Funny thing about that.


    Genocide.

    When your population increases by about 6-fold over a period of 70 years and the number killed during the course of armed violence with your enemy doesn't make it out of five digits, there is no genocide. Math is hard, Barbie.



    I think you'd benefit from living in the world that is and not in fantasy worlds of your own manufacture, but that might be injurious to your self-image.

    Awaiting that citation for Israel’s offer to relinquish the West Bank.

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    Start with the Wikipedia article and then check the citations and period news articles. You're both ignorant and otiose and somehow this is my problem. It's not like it wasn't splayed all over the news at the time.
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  268. @AM
    In order to apply for SNAP, medicaid, and Section 8, you have to have photo ID to prevent fraud. You need it at the SS office, too.

    Poor people have the IDs they need to vote. That's why it was BS.

    Gotcha

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  269. @AM

    Without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes. By 1840, cotton cultivation provided over 50% of all American export earnings, with this revenue paying a substantial share for the capital, iron, and manufactured products that served as the basis for economic growth. Since the South specialized in cotton, the North developed a plethora of service-related industries for its counterpart.
     
    The North had major industries not related the slave trade. I'd like to see you back up the claim that private profits going to plantation owners paid for northern industries. It's quite the stretch.

    This county was build with small farmers and people working their behinds off in small businesses. The South kept itself quite backward economically on it's capital heavy main industry. The economics of slavery were dicey in 1840 and it was getting worse.

    Brazil never stopped importing African slaves because they couldn't keep them alive. The slave trade there was dead before the 20th century.

    You seem to forget that the nativists were other than keen on the idea that the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, and the Slavs had descended in large numbers to our shores.
     
    Yes and that's quite sane. Different people are different and it's impossible to tell if advance that it's all going to work out. Yeah, it worked because they were all Christians, we closed the borders, and we pretty much insisted everyone go to the church of their choice, including blacks.

    So...are you going to church? Helping with assimilation? Because if it's not genocide, you should want something that not going to break down into chaos.

    Why was Brazil not able to keep slaves alive?

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  270. Corvinus says:
    @AM

    Without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes. By 1840, cotton cultivation provided over 50% of all American export earnings, with this revenue paying a substantial share for the capital, iron, and manufactured products that served as the basis for economic growth. Since the South specialized in cotton, the North developed a plethora of service-related industries for its counterpart.
     
    The North had major industries not related the slave trade. I'd like to see you back up the claim that private profits going to plantation owners paid for northern industries. It's quite the stretch.

    This county was build with small farmers and people working their behinds off in small businesses. The South kept itself quite backward economically on it's capital heavy main industry. The economics of slavery were dicey in 1840 and it was getting worse.

    Brazil never stopped importing African slaves because they couldn't keep them alive. The slave trade there was dead before the 20th century.

    You seem to forget that the nativists were other than keen on the idea that the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, and the Slavs had descended in large numbers to our shores.
     
    Yes and that's quite sane. Different people are different and it's impossible to tell if advance that it's all going to work out. Yeah, it worked because they were all Christians, we closed the borders, and we pretty much insisted everyone go to the church of their choice, including blacks.

    So...are you going to church? Helping with assimilation? Because if it's not genocide, you should want something that not going to break down into chaos.

    “The North had major industries not related the slave trade.”

    Indeed.

    “I’d like to see you back up the claim that private profits going to plantation owners paid for northern industries. It’s quite the stretch.”

    I never made that claim. My premise was “Without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes”.

    “This county was build with small farmers and people working their behinds off in small businesses. The South kept itself quite backward economically on it’s capital heavy main industry. The economics of slavery were dicey in 1840 and it was getting worse.”

    Not quite.

    http://faculty.weber.edu/kmackay/economics%20of%20slavery.asp

    “Brazil never stopped importing African slaves because they couldn’t keep them alive. The slave trade there was dead before the 20th century.”

    The slave trade there was never “dead”, it was dormant. Brazil relied heavily on the internal slave force. When coffee production exploded in the 1830′s, for example, there was a renewed demand for African slaves.

    “Yeah, it worked because they were all Christians, we closed the borders, and we pretty much insisted everyone go to the church of their choice, including blacks.”

    While the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, and the Slavs were generally Christian, there was a dividing line between Catholics and Protestants. They didn’t get along. And America “closed its borders” to Asians. Was that a wise policy?

    “So…are you going to church? Helping with assimilation?”

    Yes. Are YOU?

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    And America “closed its borders” to Asians. Was that a wise policy?
     
    Absolutely.
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  271. @Amasius
    You're so stupid that you don't know the difference between homicide and genocide. Homicide means killing people; genocide means killing A people. You don't have to resort to homicide to carry out a genocide.

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention

    Massive non-White immigration, massive promotion of race-mixing, "White privilege" indoctrination programs and never-ending hatred against Whites and White identity ARE GENOCIDE, you damnable turd. WE KNOW WHAT THE DESIRED END RESULT OF ALL THIS IS.

    You’re so stupid that you don’t know the difference between homicide and genocide. Homicide means killing people; genocide means killing A people. You don’t have to resort to homicide to carry out a genocide.

    Exactly.

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  272. guest says:
    @DWB
    It should have been obvious that this would be the next step, shouldn't it?

    A metaphor about "civil rights" that I've found helpful describes the "struggle" as inherently fractal in nature. That is to say, if you take the war, cut off a tiny piece, that tiny piece will take on the same basic proportions/structure of the larger thing.

    So - here, the struggle for gay (or women's or other group) rights starts as a large, legitimate battle. As the real battles are won, activists focus on increasingly small fights that they insist are just as large and important as the victories that are won.

    In this case, what we start with is the fight for gay people to be free of arrest by the police - basically, the right to exist without prosecution. It moves on to civil unions, then marriage, then adoption. Well, now that the big fights are over, we're left with people seriously arguing about having the right to take a leak in the bathroom of one's choice.

    And THAT is pitched as as critical a civil right as the original fight simply to exist.

    It's non-sense, but the alternative is to declare victory and go home, which puts all the professional "activists" out of business. They would need to go find real employment.

    We can't have that.

    “basically, the right to exist without prosecution”

    I assume you mean persecution. But of course cops weren’t bursting into people’s homes in the dead of night to check everyone’s genitals to see if they lined up properly. The movement started, supposedly, because cops impolitely raided gathering places where they were having sex in public. Thank God that sort of thing stopped, because where would AIDs have been without it?

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  273. @Saxon
    Yes, I'm sure America was built by non-Europeans in equal proportions. That's why America had a 90% European-descended population in 1965! Those blacks and their amazing cotton-picking and cotton-building skills did it all, and whitey was just along for the ride.

    I've seen similar rhetoric from Canada, by the way, where the difference is even more stark. 97% European population in 1971 but because a few Chinese workers were also working on the railroad construction with dirt poor white workers, the narrative there is that they built everything.

    Also, go look up the UN's own definition of Genocide created by the man who coined the word. Stop being literally ignorant to claims something that is obviously happening somehow isn't.

    Why does anyone bother engaging with this clown? He’s just a wordy version of Tiny Dick

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  274. @AM

    Without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes. By 1840, cotton cultivation provided over 50% of all American export earnings, with this revenue paying a substantial share for the capital, iron, and manufactured products that served as the basis for economic growth. Since the South specialized in cotton, the North developed a plethora of service-related industries for its counterpart.
     
    The North had major industries not related the slave trade. I'd like to see you back up the claim that private profits going to plantation owners paid for northern industries. It's quite the stretch.

    This county was build with small farmers and people working their behinds off in small businesses. The South kept itself quite backward economically on it's capital heavy main industry. The economics of slavery were dicey in 1840 and it was getting worse.

    Brazil never stopped importing African slaves because they couldn't keep them alive. The slave trade there was dead before the 20th century.

    You seem to forget that the nativists were other than keen on the idea that the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, and the Slavs had descended in large numbers to our shores.
     
    Yes and that's quite sane. Different people are different and it's impossible to tell if advance that it's all going to work out. Yeah, it worked because they were all Christians, we closed the borders, and we pretty much insisted everyone go to the church of their choice, including blacks.

    So...are you going to church? Helping with assimilation? Because if it's not genocide, you should want something that not going to break down into chaos.

    Without slavery, the cotton states wouldn’t have been much developed until technology improved enough for whites to work the land without dying in large numbers from warm-weather diseases, much like Florida south of the Panhandle was largely undeveloped until the 20th Century. The U.S. survived Florida not being much economically until recently, so it would have survived the cotton belt not developing for a couple of more generations.

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  275. @Corvinus
    Wonderful statistics offered. Stand alone, nonetheless.

    Again, without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes. By the 1830's, cotton was the centerpiece antebellum southern economy, and a vital cog in northern banking and shipping. The British textile industry was heavily dependent upon American cotton, as this commodity was shipped first to New York, then to England and Europe. Financial institutions in this city supplied the investment and loan capital to expand southern growing operations. Enslaved Africans were a commodity--they were used as collateral in business transactions, and their labor services were used to generate additional revenue. I refer to the artisan class of slaves. Furthermore, when calculating the value of plantations, the estimated value of each slave was included.

    Also, the South paid for most of the Federal budget with tariffs from cotton export.

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  276. @AM

    Without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes. By 1840, cotton cultivation provided over 50% of all American export earnings, with this revenue paying a substantial share for the capital, iron, and manufactured products that served as the basis for economic growth. Since the South specialized in cotton, the North developed a plethora of service-related industries for its counterpart.
     
    The North had major industries not related the slave trade. I'd like to see you back up the claim that private profits going to plantation owners paid for northern industries. It's quite the stretch.

    This county was build with small farmers and people working their behinds off in small businesses. The South kept itself quite backward economically on it's capital heavy main industry. The economics of slavery were dicey in 1840 and it was getting worse.

    Brazil never stopped importing African slaves because they couldn't keep them alive. The slave trade there was dead before the 20th century.

    You seem to forget that the nativists were other than keen on the idea that the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, and the Slavs had descended in large numbers to our shores.
     
    Yes and that's quite sane. Different people are different and it's impossible to tell if advance that it's all going to work out. Yeah, it worked because they were all Christians, we closed the borders, and we pretty much insisted everyone go to the church of their choice, including blacks.

    So...are you going to church? Helping with assimilation? Because if it's not genocide, you should want something that not going to break down into chaos.

    Brazil never stopped importing African slaves because they couldn’t keep them alive.

    No, they chose not to. Africa was close enough to make the cost of replacement less than the cost of maintenance.

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  277. JSM says:
    @Corvinus
    "The North had major industries not related the slave trade."

    Indeed.

    "I’d like to see you back up the claim that private profits going to plantation owners paid for northern industries. It’s quite the stretch."

    I never made that claim. My premise was "Without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes".

    "This county was build with small farmers and people working their behinds off in small businesses. The South kept itself quite backward economically on it’s capital heavy main industry. The economics of slavery were dicey in 1840 and it was getting worse."

    Not quite.

    http://faculty.weber.edu/kmackay/economics%20of%20slavery.asp

    "Brazil never stopped importing African slaves because they couldn’t keep them alive. The slave trade there was dead before the 20th century."

    The slave trade there was never "dead", it was dormant. Brazil relied heavily on the internal slave force. When coffee production exploded in the 1830's, for example, there was a renewed demand for African slaves.

    "Yeah, it worked because they were all Christians, we closed the borders, and we pretty much insisted everyone go to the church of their choice, including blacks."

    While the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, and the Slavs were generally Christian, there was a dividing line between Catholics and Protestants. They didn't get along. And America "closed its borders" to Asians. Was that a wise policy?

    "So…are you going to church? Helping with assimilation?"

    Yes. Are YOU?

    And America “closed its borders” to Asians. Was that a wise policy?

    Absolutely.

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    "Absolutely."

    In what specific ways was denying Asians opportunities to settle here in America "wise"?

    And, how would you rectify your position with thousands of white men who have married Asians and sired mixed offspring? Do they all have to go back?
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  278. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "In any event, don’t the founding stock of a country have the right to set the limits of who shall and shall not be allowed to settle here?"

    American citizens, which includes those ethnic groups who helped to build American in its early stages, of course have the liberty to make laws that limit people from entering our nation. I have always recognized this right.

    "You change the phrase at the heart of the guys argument..."

    No, I properly corrected him.

    "in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group"

    White people are not physically or legally being prevented from having children.

    No, I properly corrected him.

    No, you re-wrote what he said. That is fundmentally deceitful.

    White people are not physically or legally being prevented from having children.

    They are economically and culturally discouraged from having children.

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    "No, you re-wrote what he said. That is fundmentally deceitful."

    No, I properly corrected him.

    "They are economically and culturally discouraged from having children."

    Talk about being fundamentally deceitful.
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  279. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    Over the last 40-odd years, the share of personal income devoted to groceries has declined from 15% to 6% as society has grown more affluent. The observable effect of the affordability of groceries on total fertility rates has been nil, as is the number of people you're going to find who will refrain from having a kid for want of $125 a month in grocery subsidies.

    You really are dense, aren’t you. Go take a walk through East St. Louis some night, and you might get an idea of what the welfare state has wrought. And while some feral thugs are pounding your head against the pavement, you can quote some statistics to them as to why neither they, nor the policies which made them possible, are really any cause for concern.

    Nitwit.

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    You really are dense, aren’t you.

    He says prefacing a rude non sequitur. The question at hand is the effect of grocery prices on fertility. I did not bring that subject up. You did.



    Go take a walk through East St. Louis some night, and you might get an idea of what the welfare state has wrought. And while some feral thugs are pounding your head against the pavement, you can quote some statistics to them as to why neither they, nor the policies which made them possible, are really any cause for concern.

    East St. Louis is a viperous slum. Less than 2% of the population of the St. Louis commuter belt lives there. Strange as it may seem to you, there was such a thing as street crime prior to 1933. Large quantities of it.


    The vast bulk of welfare expenditure is to benefit the elderly and disabled, who are not responsible for the condition of East St. Louis.



    Nitwit.

    Why not underpromise and over-deliver by saying something (every once in a while) that is neither ill-informed nor ill-considered?
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  280. Mr. Anon says:
    @Mike Zwick
    What if your family has been here for hundreds of years and had nothing to do with Ellis Island. Does he not realize how many of us there are?

    What if your family has been here for hundreds of years and had nothing to do with Ellis Island. Does he not realize how many of us there are?

    Yes, he does.

    He doesn’t care.

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  281. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    With respect to the one you raise, Israel has been killing off the best and brightest of Palestinian Gentiles for decades. T

    No, it has killed off a modest number of brigands enrolled in Husseini's irregulars, in winglests of the PLO, and later among the population of rather unstable people who like to blow themselves up or stab random people on the street. It's also killed people unlucky enough to be in the line of fire. These aren't 'the best and the brightest'. The best have other things to do with their lives. The brightest among the non-best have been holed up in various loci (Cairo, Beirut, Damascus, Morningside Heights) directing the activities of various suckas or making sales pitches for suckadom. Edward Said and George Habash died in bed.



    Those cut off from their homeland as a result of forcible expulsions number in the millions. Israel has imposed conditions on those remaining that are aimed at squeezing them off their remaining land.

    Meanwhile, back in the real world. Israel controls less territory than it did 50 years ago, 25 years ago, or 15 years ago and made two failed attempts to off-load territory on the Arab politicians on the West Bank and Gaza. Neither the politicians nor the public want the territory if the price is dismantling their criminal networks and leaving the Jews in peace. North of 80% of the population of the West Bank and Gaza is not living within any Israeli security perimeter or under any Israeli civil authority. "Squeezing them off their remaining land" is referred to by normal people, descriptively as : "Putting up a prefabricated cottage in a settlement that has been in place for 35 years". You don't want the settlements there, you should state your terms. The trouble is, your terms are dead Jews and they're unwilling to bend their neck for the axe. Funny thing about that.


    Genocide.

    When your population increases by about 6-fold over a period of 70 years and the number killed during the course of armed violence with your enemy doesn't make it out of five digits, there is no genocide. Math is hard, Barbie.



    I think you'd benefit from living in the world that is and not in fantasy worlds of your own manufacture, but that might be injurious to your self-image.

    Math is hard, Barbie.

    And it consists of more than plundering wikipedia for statistics, Poindexter.

    I think you’d benefit from living in the world that is and not in fantasy worlds of your own manufacture, but that might be injurious to your self-image.

    You apparently live in a fantasty world where the only relevant facts are random statistics you google-up.

    Tell us – have you ever touched a girl? I mean, one that wasn’t inflated?

    Clown.

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  282. Mr. Anon says:
    @Cloudbuster
    Money is fungible. Money you don't have to spend on healthcare is available for other purposes.

    Money is fungible. Money you don’t have to spend on healthcare is available for other purposes.

    Art Deco doesn’t understand that. He doesn’t understand many things. He is a high-functioning retard.

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  283. Some dude says:

    According to Stephens’ Wikipedia page, his first job in journalism was op-ed writer for The Wall Street Journal. And by the time he was in his late 20s, he was editor in chief of the Jerusalem Post.

    Most journalists start out in crappy beat reporter jobs at newspapers in tiny towns other people have never heard of. They slowly work their way up to bigger papers and might, MIGHT, land an editorial leadership or other high-profile role in their late 30s or early 40s.

    All of this is to say that Stephens must have some great (((connections))).

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    All of this is to say that Stephens must have some great (((connections))).

    The editor of the editorial page at the time he was hired was Robert L. Bartley.

    Timothy Noah and Patrick J. Buchanan landed jobs as editorial writers in their middle 20s.
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  284. Fritz says:

    Sadly, I agree with Bret’s main premise: newcomers are more appreciative of our country, work harder, and complain less. He overstates the problem; hence all the negative responses. One of my Indian-Americans friends, who arrived here as an 18 year old and is now a citizens, put it best: “Americans don’t realize it, but they won the lottery the day they were born.” Yes, we’re spoiled as a nation, and I include myself. So thank you Bret, if you made anyone think about the issue.

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    What do people think of Fritz's post?
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  285. Corvinus says:
    @JSM

    And America “closed its borders” to Asians. Was that a wise policy?
     
    Absolutely.

    “Absolutely.”

    In what specific ways was denying Asians opportunities to settle here in America “wise”?

    And, how would you rectify your position with thousands of white men who have married Asians and sired mixed offspring? Do they all have to go back?

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  286. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon

    No, I properly corrected him.
     
    No, you re-wrote what he said. That is fundmentally deceitful.

    White people are not physically or legally being prevented from having children.
     
    They are economically and culturally discouraged from having children.

    “No, you re-wrote what he said. That is fundmentally deceitful.”

    No, I properly corrected him.

    “They are economically and culturally discouraged from having children.”

    Talk about being fundamentally deceitful.

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    No. You are the one being deceitful here. As you usually are, when you aren't just plain stupid.
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  287. Bill says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    It's possible he'd be happy about 1 million east Asians or Europeans converting to Judiasm and moving to Israel.

    A lot of liberal American Jews pushed really hard to force Israel to let in Ethiopian Christians whose ancestors were Jewish.

    If you really want to get angry, read the editorials in the Bezos Post.

    It’s odd how everyone takes for granted that atheists with Jewish ancestors are Jews but Christians with Jewish ancestors are not. It’s almost as if “Judaism” is racism conjoined with Christian hatred.

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    No, it's because Jews can be conceived of as an ethnic group, as a subculture, or as a confession. The first conception predominates in the US, the second in France, and the third in Britain.
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  288. Art Deco says:
    @Some dude
    According to Stephens' Wikipedia page, his first job in journalism was op-ed writer for The Wall Street Journal. And by the time he was in his late 20s, he was editor in chief of the Jerusalem Post.

    Most journalists start out in crappy beat reporter jobs at newspapers in tiny towns other people have never heard of. They slowly work their way up to bigger papers and might, MIGHT, land an editorial leadership or other high-profile role in their late 30s or early 40s.

    All of this is to say that Stephens must have some great (((connections))).

    All of this is to say that Stephens must have some great (((connections))).

    The editor of the editorial page at the time he was hired was Robert L. Bartley.

    Timothy Noah and Patrick J. Buchanan landed jobs as editorial writers in their middle 20s.

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  289. Art Deco says:
    @Bill
    It's odd how everyone takes for granted that atheists with Jewish ancestors are Jews but Christians with Jewish ancestors are not. It's almost as if "Judaism" is racism conjoined with Christian hatred.

    No, it’s because Jews can be conceived of as an ethnic group, as a subculture, or as a confession. The first conception predominates in the US, the second in France, and the third in Britain.

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    What twaddle. They are an ethnic group in all three nations. It doesn't matter what people may "conceive" - it certainly doesn't matter what you may conceive - they are an ethnic group, period. There's nothing wrong with that. But that is what they are.
    , @BB753
    A subculture? Please elaborate.
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  290. Ace says:
    @newrouter
    "the people who strain hardest to become a part of it because they realize that it’s precious; and who do the most to remake it so that our ideas, and our appeal, may stay fresh."

    OUR IDEAS? Perverts on the loose middle eastern religion.

    ** and who do the most to remake it **

    Love that part. Foreigners to change my country. What joy!

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  291. Art Deco says:
    @Opinionator
    Awaiting that citation for Israel's offer to relinquish the West Bank.

    Start with the Wikipedia article and then check the citations and period news articles. You’re both ignorant and otiose and somehow this is my problem. It’s not like it wasn’t splayed all over the news at the time.

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    Which Wikipedia article?
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  292. Art Deco says:
    @Corvinus
    Wonderful statistics offered. Stand alone, nonetheless.

    Again, without massive slave labor, northern shipping and southern cash crop agriculture would have been small potatoes. By the 1830's, cotton was the centerpiece antebellum southern economy, and a vital cog in northern banking and shipping. The British textile industry was heavily dependent upon American cotton, as this commodity was shipped first to New York, then to England and Europe. Financial institutions in this city suppli