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Bret Stephens, former editor of the Jerusalem Times, former columnist for the Wall Street Journal, and current columnist for the New York Times, is a valuable figure because he’s more artless than many other pundits in revealing some of the sources of the sentiments behind the new received opinion on immigration. For example:

Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers …

I’ve given a certain amount of coverage to Stephens’ opinions on the deeper meaning of immigration policy, such as:

Bret Stephens in NYT: Deport Americans to Make Room for Superior Immigrants

NYT: “Steve Bannon Is Bad for the Jews”

WSJ: “The Plot Against America”

Stephens: You Didn’t Build That, the Immigrants Who Arrived Today Built That

I highlighted Stephens’ last column of Ellis Island schmaltz and inherited resentment over slights to great-grandpa under the heading “What It’s Really All About.” Today, Stephens makes his motivations in calling for mass immigration more explicit: relitigating his relatives’ admission to the U.S. in the Ellis Island era:

A Modest Immigration Proposal: Ban Jews

BRET STEPHENS


A group of Jewish immigrants to the United States c. 1900. Credit Getty Images

Jan. 18, 2018

… Here’s a thought experiment: Would the United States have been better off if it had banned Jewish immigration sometime in the late 19th century, so that the immigrant parents of Rosenberg and Sobell had never set foot here? The question is worth asking, because so many of the same arguments made against African, Latin-American and Muslim immigrants today might have easily been applied to Jews just over a century ago. …

Yet imagine if the United States had followed the advice of the immigration restrictionists in the late 19th century and banned Jewish immigrants, at least from Central Europe and Russia, on what they perceived to be some genetic inferiority. What, in terms of enterprise, genius, imagination, and philanthropy would have been lost to America as a country? And what, in terms of human tragedy, would have ultimately weighed on our conscience?

Today, American Jews are widely considered the model minority, so thoroughly assimilated that organizational Jewish energies are now largely devoted to protecting our religious and cultural distinctiveness. Someone might ask Jeff Sessions and other eternal bigots what makes an El Salvadoran, Iranian or Haitian any different.

Why not ask Bibi Netanyahu that question? Israel could admit a huge number of economic immigrants any time it wanted to, but instead it has built extremely effective border fences and is deporting Africans back to Africa.

On the other hand, here is a Haitian billionaire

My guess is that Stephens feels, deep down, that the American WASPs of 1900 were chumps for admitting his kinsmen, as shown by how his kinsmen in Israel, where he used to live, aren’t making the same mistake of giving citizenship to high-IQ immigrants from, say, India or China who might someday challenge their descendants for power and influence in Israel.

But, overall, it strikes me as nuts to feel that the most important consideration in shaping immigration policy in 2018 was what was good for your ancestors in 1900.

We should be focused instead on making good laws for the future welfare of current American citizens, not in relitigating foggily-remembered resentments of 118 years ago.

But then I’m a wacko extremist, and Bret Stephens is a major voice of Respectable Thinking. So I would say that, wouldn’t I?

Commenter William Middleton notes:

The craziest thing about all of this is that no one seems to realize that the population of Earth is now 7.5 billion people. Forget about ethnicity, I just can’t seem to understand why people can’t grasp that basic fact and that they all can’t come here.

Wikipedia says world population has grown from 1.6 billion in 1900 to 7.6 billion in 2017. Plus transportation and communications are vastly easier.

One basic reason for why we often don’t have the same laws in 2018 as in 1900 is: Times changed.

But, when it comes to immigration policy, the purveyors of respectable are living in the past.

UpUpdate: A reader points out that maybe Bret Stephens was thinking of Haitian billionaire Gilbert Bigio. You have to be awfully smart and/or ruthless to make a billion dollars in Haiti.

 
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  1. Someone might ask Jeff Sessions and other eternal bigots what makes an El Salvadoran, Iranian or Haitian any different.

    I’m sure that Jeff Sessions knows the answer to that one, but I don’t think that he would be willing to say it out loud in a public forum.

    But, thanks to internet anonymity, I’ll answer for him: IQ.

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    • Agree: MEH 0910, PV van der Byl
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    ... and the worst haredi hucksters know which side of the street to drive on, and do not drive drunk, or play loud polka music at all hours.
    , @AndrewR
    More IQ-autism.

    IQ matters a lot. It's also not entirely genetic-based, and it's definitely not the only trait that matters.
    , @nebulafox
    Well, it is a little more nuanced than that. Because the mullahs insanely decided to launch a Cultural Revolution style purge against the scientific sector in Iran (one of the most advanced in the developing world under the Shah, especially with female scientists), a lot of high-IQ, largely secular Persian geeks ended up the US, carrying a severe aversion to anything smacking of religious politics in general and Islamic politics in particular with them. As a result, Iranian-Americans are omnipresent in high horsepower tech and science.

    Salvadoran Americans, on the other hand, are largely the descendants of semi-literate or illiterate indios who fled the country during the vicious civil war of the 1980s-which the Reagan Administration helped fuel, an ironic twist if you take in the '86 amnesty. The Mexicans didn't want them-last thing they need, given the fragile socioeconomic structure of Mexico, is more pressure at the bottom of the ladder, so they ended up in greater Washington DC and Los Angeles in droves. And they cause problems. Lots of problems. And they've been pushed out into the suburbs by gentrification by the Goodwhites, causing the local schools and police departments in northern Virginia and southern Maryland problems.

    I'm not suggesting that there aren't IQ differences between races, to be sure, or disagreeing with your point. I just think the racial background, per se, doesn't matter as much as the specific background of the migrant. I think this tends to get lost on many people who believe all Chinese are intrinsically geniuses or something like that: when you have billions of people, like in China or India or Africa, you'll have tons of retards and tons of brilliant people, no matter what the average is, and the people who end up in America have traditionally been rather self-selected. (Though, these days, there are plenty of decidedly non-brilliant working class Chinese in places like Flushing. It was interesting to see that, because in Deep Southern or Midwestern towns, many full-blooded Asians you met were the children of professors. Wonder if there was a similar dynamic for Jews many decades ago.)

    As for the Haitians, I can't speak for them, but the ironic thing is, actual African migrants tend to do much better than African-Americans in just about any metric you can think of. I know that's not saying much, but the only group in the UK that outstrips the Chinese in academic performance are the Igbos, who ended up in the UK en masse after the Biafran war in the late 1960s. However, you need to look carefully at the type of people who are migrating: who can afford to leave Africa or Haiti and start all over? Chances are, somebody with skills. And chances are, if you don't have skills and are looking for a genuine new life rather than the chance to mooch off welfare, you'll push your children hard to develop them and get a better life than you can have. On the other hand, you have the Somalis, who cause trouble no matter whether they end up in Italy, Israel, or Minnesota. Is that due to intrinsic factors, like culture, or due to the quality of the migrant? Probably a complex mixture of both. Fascinating thing to study.

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  2. Stephens’ “what if” strikes me as mental and moral masturbation–momentarily gratifying but completely unproductive, an exercise best conducted alone and not in public.

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    By "Stephens' 'what if'" I think you meant "Stephens' career."
    , @Fica
    Or his nearest ficus plant
    , @Gunner
    The lack of respect that chumps like Stephens has for the pre-Ellis Island Americans is truly breathtaking.
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  3. Does Bret Stephens really believe Jewish immigrants are 100% comparable with Haitian immigrants? In Haiti people eat cookies that are made out of mud and sand because that’s how extremely poor they are. Were Jews in Germany, Russia, Poland, Ukraine, etc eating sand mud cookies? No they weren’t. Not even Mexicans eat sand mud cookies let alone Jews and Mexicans are a lot less affluent than Jews. It’s apples and oranges. Apples and apples would be comparing Somali immigrants with Haitian immigrants.

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    • Replies: @Jake
    Silly question. Stephens is a Jew. He knows that Jews are The Chosen People. His point is that all other peoples are the same because they are not God's Chosen Race.

    And that means Jews should set all standards and decide all things.

    And here's the kicker that keeps me entertained when I read the useful idiots at VDARE and such sites: it was a given that Jews eventually would make themselves senior partner masters of the Anglosphere because WASP culture was born of a Judaizing heresy: Anglo-Saxon Puritanism.

    Judaizing heresy must necessarily produce pro-Jewish politics and then base culture, the cultural vantage that reigns over nations so that people do things without having to think - instinct culture.

    WASP culture was so thoroughly polluted almost immediately with its grabbing national power with regicide that Oliver Cromwell, that perfect epitome of the WASP, made the deal with Jews, taking Jewish money and allowing Jews back into England legally - and the deal was made in order to have the money to continue waging warn against the vast majority of white Christians native the British Isles.

    From its birth, WASP culture has been allied with Jews against the vast majority of white Christians native to the British Isles. And then there is the rest of what once was Christendom.

    The British Empire spread that culture globally.
    , @jack daniels
    I'd rather have Haitians than Jews. We have more than enough smart people, but too many Jews are into tearing down our Angl0-Saxon and Christian culture. Imagine jailing people for arguing about the "Holocaust." Imagine making it a hate crime to wish someone Merry Christmas. Imagine encouraging kids to rat out their parents. Imagine making a hero out of the likes of Abbie Hoffman or Ho Chi Minh. And they're always kvetching about some injustice or other when they aren't writing X-rated children's books to de-Christianize the kiddies.
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  4. Yet imagine if the United States had followed the advice of the immigration restrictionists in the late 19th century and banned Jewish immigrants, at least from Central Europe and Russia, on what they perceived to be some genetic inferiority. What, in terms of enterprise, genius, imagination, and philanthropy would have been lost to America as a country?

    The more pertinent question: If we don’t allow in Haitians, what, in terms of enterprise, genius, imagination, and philanthropy will be lost to America as a country?

    My guess? Not much.

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    • Agree: Nico, MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Jefferson
    I've had a Jewish boss before, but never a Haitian boss and I doubt I ever will. Haitians are not an economic boom for The U.S and that's a fact. Haitians are not creating a shitload of jobs for Americans.
    , @istevefan
    Additionally, people need to look at the other side of the equation. If we take in the best and brightest from Haiti and other s-holes, how will they ever be able to stop being s-holes?

    I am really surprised this issue is not being picked up by the SJWs. After all they readily denounce colonialism's past history of resource extraction of poor nation's potential wealth. Yet they remain quiet on the modern issue of human resource extraction that probably harms poor nations more.

    The only reason I can imagine for why SJWs are quiet on this issue is because their number one priority is the punishment and ultimate destruction of European nations, or at least the destruction of how they are presently comprised. There is no other explanation if they truly cared for those unfortunate nations and the 96% plus of the populations that must remain in those s-holes while the gifted ones flee.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    I say if ((((they)))) would've been kept out, America would still be America.
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  5. I wonder who sub-titled that old immigration photo? Maybe it’s just me and I’m misreading physiognomy, but I think almost everyone in that photo is Scandinavian or other Northern European.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    Do you have any evidence of that?
    , @Antlitz Grollheim
    Well spotted! I agree. It is a royalty-free stock photo which doesn't say where the immigrants are from.

    http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/atlantic-crossing-steamship.html

    What chutzpah!
    , @International Jew
    Yeah, only about five or six of those people don't look Jewish at all, to me.
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  6. A Modest Immigration Proposal: Ban Jews

    Well, that would mean that we wouldn’t have to read crap articles by Jewish journos about how immigrants from Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East are just like the steerage-class passengers who came through Ellis Island a century ago…..That would be something of a net positive…

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    • Agree: NickG
    • Replies: @Jefferson
    Have you read any of the Left Wing articles about how Haitians help built The U.S? It sounded like something straight out of The Onion. Haitians didn't even help built Miami which has the largest Haitian population in the country, let alone built the entire United States.
    , @syonredux
    On the other hand, maybe I'm being too hard on Bret. After all, he is reminding us that ethnic grudges last a very long time.....Which is something to bear in mind when it comes to admitting people into the country....If Bret Stephens is still whinging about stuff that happened in 1900, just imagine what we'll have to put up with from Haitian Americans in 2118....
    , @Crawfurdmuir

    ...articles by Jewish journos about how immigrants from Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East are just like the steerage-class passengers who came through Ellis Island a century ago...
     
    As a descendant of colonists and settlers, I think there is far too much Ellis Island schmaltz in discussions of current immigration - but it is worth pointing out that, at Ellis Island, would-be immigrants who were physically or mentally ill, feeble-minded, or otherwise deemed likely to become public charges, were refused entry.

    Someone proposing that a similarly restrictive standard be applied today would probably be lectured about how "that isn't who we are."
    , @SFG
    I actually made the argument in a comment that he was mostly going to feed antisemitism with this argument. Unsurprisingly, the NYT ate it. ;)

    Read through the comments--the Ellis Island schmaltz is very much alive!
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    I'd say it would be a net positive.
    , @RonaldB
    "Well, that would mean that we wouldn’t have to read crap articles by Jewish journos ..."

    That's not the real problem. You can read or not read.

    The real problem is that Jews voted 70% - 80% for Obama and certainly for Hillary. Thus, electoral-wise, importing Jews is like importing Puerto Ricans, as the joke goes. In a close race, this can tip the scales for an immigration-positive administration. In other words, there are more negative effects to importing liberal Jews than bad articles.

    The real paradox is that the Jews are not being ruthlessly smart. They're being stupid. Any country importing hoards of Muslims becomes hostile for Jews. So, the Jews are quite literally fouling their own nests by advocating open immigration. And the line that the objective is to help Israel is also hokey; Israel would have a much harder time surviving without a strong, nationalist US. I don't mean foreign aid to Israel, which ought to be discontinued. I mean, an America with the strength and self-confidence to oppose the international sanctions of Israel driven by the OIC and Muslim-leftist coalitions.
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  7. The “modest proposal” reference is so overused that one should have a compelling reason to stick it in a headline. A “what if” about the history of Jewish immigration doesn’t cut it. That’s not really a proposal. It’s just bringing up a thought experiment.

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  8. Would have been a great proposal in 1890.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    And the 1890 census formed the basis for the Immigration Act of 1924. The several decades which followed just happened to be the interval during which America became the world's greatest nation, and undisputed leader of the Free World.
    , @Ivy
    Jonathan Swift had his own modest proposal in 1729, so ahead of his time.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal
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  9. @syonredux

    A Modest Immigration Proposal: Ban Jews
     
    Well, that would mean that we wouldn't have to read crap articles by Jewish journos about how immigrants from Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East are just like the steerage-class passengers who came through Ellis Island a century ago.....That would be something of a net positive...

    Have you read any of the Left Wing articles about how Haitians help built The U.S? It sounded like something straight out of The Onion. Haitians didn’t even help built Miami which has the largest Haitian population in the country, let alone built the entire United States.

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  10. OK, Bret. If you say so.

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  11. How much you want to bet that middle-class Jews in suburbia (as opposed to Manhattan NYT readers) quietly wish that Stephens would just shut the @#$& up?

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    • Replies: @anon
    How much you want to bet that middle-class Jews in suburbia (as opposed to Manhattan NYT readers) quietly wish that Stephens would just shut the @#$& up?

    I'd bet about $0.00.

    Just look at how they vote.
    , @songbird
    I think a lot of suburban Jews are descended from urban Jews and thus share their politics. Based on my acquaintances, anyway. I'm talking Boston and NYC and probably DC. I think it would probably be somewhat different around lesser cities, like Worcester and Rochester, where there were probably less in theater, in education, or government.
    , @3g4me
    @ 11 Rosamond Vincy: "How much you want to bet that middle-class Jews in suburbia (as opposed to Manhattan NYT readers) quietly wish that Stephens would just shut the @#$& up?"

    1. Some might, but more because he's embarrassing them than that they disagree with his stance. Most Jews think that without them, America would be a backwards and ignorant country - that they, alone were responsible for any and all advances in science, medicine, and philosophy.

    2. If they do want him to shut up, they should damned well say something, even if they're afraid their rabbi might not approve. As it stands, they're still part of the sea in which Stephens swims and equally culpable for their presumed supportive silence.
    , @Alden
    Middle class Jews in suburbia are avid readers of the NYSlimes.

    They are adamantly pro unlimited immigration, and supported gay marriage transgender bathrooms, affirmative action discrimination against Whites and everything the Jewish NYSlimes has advocated

    NYSlimes isn’t the only Jewish publication. There are more than a thousand Jewish community publications in America. I read them often. They all stick to the party line.

    Sone of them are online. Check them out

    , @Tyrion 2
    You must be right. This article is particularly embarrassing. It seems to be using the 'high value' of himself to argue for endless immigration forever.

    Which is like one potential wedding guest arguing (not joking) that the entire wedding destination should change in order that they might be able to attend...because they are quite fun or something.

    I suspect that Brett Stephens sees it as another side of the classic idiocy of 'I was let in so I need to pay it back and not pull the ladder up.'

    This makes him beyond stupid in his unexamined advocacy of the received wisdom. Were someone to adopt the same attitude to a dinner party at mine, and infilatrate another few randoms in uninvited, to pay me back, I'd throw him out, taking care to bang him against the door frame and walls as I did so.

    It is not a perfect analogy. Brett has not occasionally infiltrated people into America. He is only propogandising for it but reasonable people allow for some escalation in response. It is obvious he should go back to Israel.

    Then again, nebbish, victim-claiming Stephens probably did not feel a hundred percent good about himself in a place where the founding myth is increasingly Massada (a heroic-tragic Alamo on steroids...against the Romans not the Mexicans) and not the Holocaust. I wonder if he has ever admitted to himself his sense of emasculated unease?

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  12. The only reason the Fiddler on the Roof schtetl Jews did so well was racist Whites banned ‘Mongols’ aka Chinese at the same time the Jews showed up. Hey Brett, be thankful for immigrant exclusion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act

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  13. @syonredux

    Yet imagine if the United States had followed the advice of the immigration restrictionists in the late 19th century and banned Jewish immigrants, at least from Central Europe and Russia, on what they perceived to be some genetic inferiority. What, in terms of enterprise, genius, imagination, and philanthropy would have been lost to America as a country?
     
    The more pertinent question: If we don't allow in Haitians, what, in terms of enterprise, genius, imagination, and philanthropy will be lost to America as a country?

    My guess? Not much.

    I’ve had a Jewish boss before, but never a Haitian boss and I doubt I ever will. Haitians are not an economic boom for The U.S and that’s a fact. Haitians are not creating a shitload of jobs for Americans.

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  14. Do we need to recall the “Judea Declares War on Germany” headline?
    You will never hear any people but Jews boasting to each other about how many passports they have and how many more they can get if need be. Ostensibly this is to escape a new holocaust, but it just so happens to be very convenient for intelligence work. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence, because it’s not like Jews were ever caught using the passports of neutral countries to set up an assassination or anything.
    And it would be in line with Zionism to encourage Jews to go straight to Israel and resist the temptation to live in the American Babylon.
    We could call it “The Brett Stephens Act.”

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    You will never hear any people but Jews boasting to each other about how many passports they have and how many more they can get if need be.

    Actually, I've never heard and Jews 'boasting' about this and neither have you. (I did once hear an academic administrator say her children had a claim on citizenship in three countries, but the countries were Canada, Britian, and the U.S.).
    , @Johann Ricke

    You will never hear any people but Jews boasting to each other about how many passports they have
     
    I haven't heard too many people mention having more than one passport, but of that set of multinational passport holders, not one is a Jew. They've tended to be non-Jewish American citizens, and naturalized Europeans and Latin Americans.
    , @Anonymous
    I know several people who have or have had multiple, concurrent, legal passports. All but one is in fact Jewish. I don't know if the brag, but I've not had to spend a lot of effort to find this out.

    Any American who can lawfully get a second passport who is not planning a political career probably ought to do so, by the way. But very few non-immigrant whites will.

    At one time it was pretty easy to get a Canadian passport for Americans, I doubt that is true now.

    If you are Catholic and in showbiz, or are prominent and a bit of a philanthropist or publicity hound, and aren't a schmuck like Pope Francis the Zeroth (who tried to buy his way in, in a memorable mob scam mentioned in several mob biographies) it is often possible to get in the SMOM. You can also have a go at getting a consular appointment to some little country and they may give you a diplomatic passport that way.

    Otherwise, many countries will give you a passport if one parent or two grandparents were citizens of their country. If you or your father (or in the case of, say, military nurses, like Houlihan on MASH, your mother) served in the US military overseas in a capacity that the country considers really significant occasionally they will issue one too.

    And of course if you are a bonafide Jew, there is always Israel.
    , @RonaldB
    I think as a general policy, a country should not allow its citizens to hold dual citizenship. It creates loyalty problems. I don't know if by multiple passports, you mean dual citizenships or just the right to unrestricted entry, without voting or political rights.
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  15. Would the United States have been better off if it had banned Jewish immigration sometime in the late 19th century

    And then we continued to ban Jewish immigration thereafter?

    It would mean an enormous difference for America.

    Imagine a communist movement in the US that was of only negligible importance.

    Imagine university faculty not ranged in hostility against America, whites and Christianity. Cultural marxist movements would have had far less influence in the US.

    Imagine a Hollywood that was not consumed with hatred of traditional America and white gentiles.

    Imagine no Alinsky. And no New Left – the leadership of the New Left was dominated by Jews. The social upheavals of the 1960s would have been far different and a lot less damaging to American society.

    No NAACP – the Jewish effort to supplant the Black Christian church as the political leadership of blacks would never have happened. Race relations in the US would be much better off without the Jewish-dominated media constantly pushing narratives such as Ferguson, Trayvon, Freddie Gray, etc. for the purpose of inciting hatred against whites and stoking racial discord.

    No 1965 immigration act – instead of increasing balkanization, tribalism and Third World populations, there would be much greater assimilation and unity.

    Imagine what schools curricula would be like without the influence of Howard Zinn and other Jews pushing anti-American themes in the schools.

    The victories of the radical left in constitutional law, feminism, environmentalism and many other areas would be greatly reduced.

    And on and on. Really, the influence of Jews is so large in so many areas of American society it’s hard to imagine what the US would be like today without the wave of Eastern European Jews and their concomitant social radicalism, anti-Americanism and grievance agenda against white gentiles.

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    • Agree: Bill Jones, Neuday
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Indeed--it's not hard to imagine America as a genuine Shining City on a Hill.

    If only.
    , @anon
    I could think of a few more:

    There would be no Civil Rights movement, no fraudster named MLK. No victim mentality. No BLM. Blacks would've assimilated through hard work and upward mobility like everyone else.

    All our schools from K-12 through college would still be teaching real history, instead of Grievance Studies masquerading as history.

    Our kids will be taught real literature, instead of dark, depressing, sexually perverted, morally bankrupt garbage masquerading as literature.

    There would be no LGBTQ, no gay marriage, no transgenders, no 52 genders, no porn industry and all manners of sexual deviance. Divorce rate would plummet.

    There wouldn't be an excess of mental health professionals psycho analyzing everyone and everything to death. Lies like "sex addiction" will simply be called by its proper name, licentiousness and lack of self-control.

    Our colleges would still have meritocracy instead of the holistic admissions + affirmative action nonsense.

    There will be no Deep State, no open borders, no neocons.

    Most importantly,

    We might actually have an honest media. Imagine that.

    Really, Jewish contribution to America cannot be overstated. That's why America "owes it to the Jews" to protect Israel, as Alan Dershowitz asserted.

    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Winner winner chicken dinner.
    , @jack daniels
    I agree. I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood and had close Jewish friends, but in most cases their hostility to America and its Christian traditions was as evident as their efficiency in attacking those traditions. Nearly all of them were Democrats, as were most of the Italians and Irish, but only Jews seemed to be rooting for the Soviet Union in the Cold War. When the antiwar movement and counter-culture started up the Jewish kids were the first to grow their hair long, use drugs, and put up posters of Che Guevara. Nearly all of them became self-described radicals and socialists. I do give the Jews credit for a good sense of humor and a lot of good movies and Broadway shows and music back in the day when they were still trying to assimilate. Stephens to the contrary, I don't regard someone like Spielberg as "assimilated" but as a cultural invader.
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  16. Would the United States have been better off if it had banned Jewish immigration sometime in the late 19th century, so that the immigrant parents of Rosenberg and Sobell had never set foot here?

    I wish we could deport Bret Stephens and his whole family to anywhere but a Western country.

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  17. Was waiting for your post on this after seeing John Authers of the FT tweet about it favorably, as I’m out free NYT articles this month.

    Worth noting, re ethnic resentment as a mooted motivation, that David Frum, who’s as Jewish as Stephens, shot down in flames the “what about past Jewish immigrants” tack in The Atlantic a couple of years ago, where he quoted Ann Coulter. And Bret Stephens’s old boss at the Wall Street Journal, the late Robert Bartley, who AFAIK was not Jewish, was huge proponent of open borders.

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    I’m out free NYT articles this month.
     
    Incognito mode (Chrome), Private tab (Firefox). Problem solved.

    But these days I don't look at the New York Times for weeks on end. I let Steve Sailer read it for me!
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    the late Robert Bartley, who AFAIK was not Jewish, was huge proponent of open borders.
     
    Robert Bartley gave Soros an award for his 'contribution' to the free market. When he handed Soros the trophy, he said the thought that Soros 'had done a lot of good.' Right! Depriving middle-class workers of their savings, and doing it on a worldwide scale, did them a lot of good.

    Robert Bartley, useful idiot for the hyper rich, and enemy of honest, hardworking people everywhere - may he not rest in peace, but swim in the lake.
    , @William Middleton
    David Frum used to have some really good opinions on immigration. I mean, he moderated a panel on Mark Krikorian's book on CSPAN about 8 years ago. He also knows that the economic arguments on mass immigration are phony too. He used to always comment on them on the NRO blog. He just went nuts. Deep down inside, as much as he hates Trump, he notes that Stephens is wrong on this.
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  18. @Forbes
    Stephens' "what if" strikes me as mental and moral masturbation--momentarily gratifying but completely unproductive, an exercise best conducted alone and not in public.

    By “Stephens’ ‘what if’” I think you meant “Stephens’ career.”

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    Yes, it's almost a new Sailer's law of Journalists: "The most heartfelt articles by Jewish journalists tend to be demands that things be handled in such a way that benefit or would have benefited the writer or his ancestors."
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  19. @syonredux

    Someone might ask Jeff Sessions and other eternal bigots what makes an El Salvadoran, Iranian or Haitian any different.
     
    I'm sure that Jeff Sessions knows the answer to that one, but I don't think that he would be willing to say it out loud in a public forum.

    But, thanks to internet anonymity, I'll answer for him: IQ.

    … and the worst haredi hucksters know which side of the street to drive on, and do not drive drunk, or play loud polka music at all hours.

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  20. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I wondee what the Bret Stephenses of the world think is going to happen once America is majority non-white. Does he think all the Haitians and Salvadoreans are going to keep paying for his favorite country? I really don’t think so.

    And then what are they going to do?

    That’s the one satisfying part of that possible future.

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    All those Haitians and Salvadoreans might not pay, but they're also not going to compete with all the Bret Stephenses of the world for all those cushy jobs like writing for the NY Times.
    , @Anonymous
    Haitians and Salvadoreans aren't going to be driving policy, even if we admit another 20 million of them. Even if they vote--they can only choose from the candidates 'we' supply.
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  21. But, overall, it strikes me as nuts to feel that the most important consideration in shaping immigration policy in 2018 was what was good for your ancestors in 1900.

    Not in a fevered mind of a Jewish ethnic nationalist.

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  22. @Alfa158
    I wonder who sub-titled that old immigration photo? Maybe it’s just me and I’m misreading physiognomy, but I think almost everyone in that photo is Scandinavian or other Northern European.

    Do you have any evidence of that?

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    His evidence is his eyes and his brain. He's a noticer.
    He's right too - in fact I'd wager that that boat is not even from Europe, but more likely a pleasure vessel of some kind. Some of those shown are too well dressed to be either tired or poor, and look like they will decamp to their comfortable apartments in (old) Harlem once they have disembarked.

    Jews, at any rate, they are not.
    , @Anonymous
    The strongest reason to take it with a grain of salt is how much BS the MSM tosses at us daily. Why take any of their claims when it deals with race, gender, immigration or politics at face value?
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  23. @Rosamond Vincy
    How much you want to bet that middle-class Jews in suburbia (as opposed to Manhattan NYT readers) quietly wish that Stephens would just shut the @#$& up?

    How much you want to bet that middle-class Jews in suburbia (as opposed to Manhattan NYT readers) quietly wish that Stephens would just shut the @#$& up?

    I’d bet about $0.00.

    Just look at how they vote.

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    LI is pretty conservative, especially compared to the Upper West Side. In addition, they see for themselves the effect of letting in folks like M-13.
    , @SFG
    There is this site called Breitbart. Some of you might have heard of it.

    Seriously Trump got a pretty awful (though actually typical for Republicans) 21-24% of the Jewish vote, with the only demographic slice going majority for Trump being married Jewish men. Apparently according to the NYT he lost 6-8 points among most groups, with the lowest decline among Jews, probably because the second Holocaust never happened.

    Apparently the Orthodox like him better and have more kids, but by the time the Jewish population is majority Republican we'll look like Brazil.

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  24. @syonredux

    A Modest Immigration Proposal: Ban Jews
     
    Well, that would mean that we wouldn't have to read crap articles by Jewish journos about how immigrants from Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East are just like the steerage-class passengers who came through Ellis Island a century ago.....That would be something of a net positive...

    On the other hand, maybe I’m being too hard on Bret. After all, he is reminding us that ethnic grudges last a very long time…..Which is something to bear in mind when it comes to admitting people into the country….If Bret Stephens is still whinging about stuff that happened in 1900, just imagine what we’ll have to put up with from Haitian Americans in 2118….

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  25. Stephens’ thought process here is truly a mystery to me. Does he really want to choose “if you dislike third world immigration, you should also dislike Jews” as the hill to die on? Can he truly not perceive that forcing people to make this choice will lead to many more people choosing to dislike Jews rather than like third world immigration?

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    No mystery: he's an idiot.
    , @Tex

    Stephens’ thought process here is truly a mystery to me. Does he really want to choose “if you dislike third world immigration, you should also dislike Jews” as the hill to die on? Can he truly not perceive that forcing people to make this choice will lead to many more people choosing to dislike Jews rather than like third world immigration?
     
    Now that you say it, that was pretty much how I went from being libertarian on immigration to being anti-immigration. I was pretty much of the belief that illegal immigration, just being border crossing, was no big deal. Then I noticed that mainstream Latino organizations opposed returning illegal immigrants who committed crimes. Once I understood they were 100% in favor of illegal immigrants committing crimes and being released back in the community, then it was obvious that opposing all illegals was simple self-defense.

    Then I started seeing how criticism of illegal immigration was conflated with opposing all immigration. Self-defense kicks in again.

    So here I am, send 'em all back. Bret Stephens first.
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  26. @syonredux

    A Modest Immigration Proposal: Ban Jews
     
    Well, that would mean that we wouldn't have to read crap articles by Jewish journos about how immigrants from Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East are just like the steerage-class passengers who came through Ellis Island a century ago.....That would be something of a net positive...

    …articles by Jewish journos about how immigrants from Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East are just like the steerage-class passengers who came through Ellis Island a century ago…

    As a descendant of colonists and settlers, I think there is far too much Ellis Island schmaltz in discussions of current immigration – but it is worth pointing out that, at Ellis Island, would-be immigrants who were physically or mentally ill, feeble-minded, or otherwise deemed likely to become public charges, were refused entry.

    Someone proposing that a similarly restrictive standard be applied today would probably be lectured about how “that isn’t who we are.”

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  27. I cannot wrap my head around the thinking of a guy like Bret Stephens. What a tiny, warped world he apparently inhabits.

    And I used to really like the guy. Now, I admit some of this was blindness on my part: I thought Stephens sounded like a deep, knowledgeable guy when he was mostly saying things I agreed with. But the acid test of a truly deep thinker is how they sound when they’re saying something you disagree with. Stephens and a lot of other guys I used to like really flunk that test, and flunk it hard. By contrast, I frequently disagree with a lot of the other contributors to Unz.com, but none of them strike me as shallow, hollow men who’ve put no thought into these issues and are just putting on a performance. They may be wrong, but they got there honestly.

    I’ll say it again: One of the most useful things Trump has done has been to inadvertantly expose how many of our supposedly Deep, Serious Thinkers have apparently been faking it the whole time. Or maybe not faking it so much as playing the role of the establishment’s Harlem Globetrotters: They look like superstars as long as they’re pulling off the same endlessly rehearsed stunt shots while playing the Washington Generals, but put them up against a real NBA team, and suddenly all those clever stunts look pretty stupid.

    Evidently, Stephens’ “stunt shot” is “but what about the Jews?” It’s devastating in the right context, but here it’s a total non sequitur that just makes him look…not all that bright.

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    It's also a stunt shot that can really backfire, given the entire strategy was to cloak themselves in a hijacked Americanism before.
    , @International Jew

    But the acid test of a truly deep thinker is how they sound when they’re saying something you disagree with.
     
    Nice, I like that! (And here's a converse: if someone sounds stupid even when he's saying things you agree with... Remind you of anyone whose first name starts with a D and ends with a d?)
    , @Cagey Beast
    Brett Stephens wrote that article for the same reason this monkey does what it does. He's bored:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auAVVh9M2GE
    , @MEH 0910
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xu5cQlum38
    , @William Middleton
    The craziest thing about all of this is that no one seems to realize that the population of Earth is now 7.5 billion people. Forget about ethnicity, I just can't seem to understand why people can't grasp that basic fact and that they all can't come here.
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  28. @Alfa158
    I wonder who sub-titled that old immigration photo? Maybe it’s just me and I’m misreading physiognomy, but I think almost everyone in that photo is Scandinavian or other Northern European.

    Well spotted! I agree. It is a royalty-free stock photo which doesn’t say where the immigrants are from.

    http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/atlantic-crossing-steamship.html

    What chutzpah!

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    Thanks.
    , @Stan Adams
    Here is a higher-quality version:
    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/steerage-passenger-emigrants-on-ship-1899-news-photo/629447263#steerage-passenger-emigrants-on-ship-1899-picture-id629447263
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Well spotted! I agree. It is a royalty-free stock photo which doesn’t say where the immigrants are from.
     
    Hey! Who are you calling "stock"?
    , @Anonymous
    Just more New York Times = Fake News. Nothing to see here, really.
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  29. @Alfa158
    I wonder who sub-titled that old immigration photo? Maybe it’s just me and I’m misreading physiognomy, but I think almost everyone in that photo is Scandinavian or other Northern European.

    Yeah, only about five or six of those people don’t look Jewish at all, to me.

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    I meant about five or six don't look Jewish.
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  30. @Mr. Blank
    I cannot wrap my head around the thinking of a guy like Bret Stephens. What a tiny, warped world he apparently inhabits.

    And I used to really like the guy. Now, I admit some of this was blindness on my part: I thought Stephens sounded like a deep, knowledgeable guy when he was mostly saying things I agreed with. But the acid test of a truly deep thinker is how they sound when they're saying something you disagree with. Stephens and a lot of other guys I used to like really flunk that test, and flunk it hard. By contrast, I frequently disagree with a lot of the other contributors to Unz.com, but none of them strike me as shallow, hollow men who've put no thought into these issues and are just putting on a performance. They may be wrong, but they got there honestly.

    I'll say it again: One of the most useful things Trump has done has been to inadvertantly expose how many of our supposedly Deep, Serious Thinkers have apparently been faking it the whole time. Or maybe not faking it so much as playing the role of the establishment's Harlem Globetrotters: They look like superstars as long as they're pulling off the same endlessly rehearsed stunt shots while playing the Washington Generals, but put them up against a real NBA team, and suddenly all those clever stunts look pretty stupid.

    Evidently, Stephens' "stunt shot" is "but what about the Jews?" It's devastating in the right context, but here it's a total non sequitur that just makes him look...not all that bright.

    It’s also a stunt shot that can really backfire, given the entire strategy was to cloak themselves in a hijacked Americanism before.

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  31. Right now, Glenn Beck is screaming and crying and begging for forgiveness on behalf of all the un-Chosen for making Brett Stephens even wonder whether America should have taken in the Special Ones.

    I think Stephens is asking this question for kicks. He looks forward to the fawning and gushing from megachurch Evangelicals — who he detests — and the response of social media anti-Semites, who will recharge his Jewish batteries with their hate.

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    He looks forward to the fawning and gushing from megachurch Evangelicals
     
    I'll bet you don't know any megachurch Evangelicals, do you?
    , @Jefferson
    A whopping 80% of Evangelicals voted for Donald Trump, so I doubt very much most Evangelicals will side with Bret Stephens on immigration.
    , @Gunner
    Twitter hate is the only thing keeping the Times in the public consciousness anymore.
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  32. @Mr. Blank
    I cannot wrap my head around the thinking of a guy like Bret Stephens. What a tiny, warped world he apparently inhabits.

    And I used to really like the guy. Now, I admit some of this was blindness on my part: I thought Stephens sounded like a deep, knowledgeable guy when he was mostly saying things I agreed with. But the acid test of a truly deep thinker is how they sound when they're saying something you disagree with. Stephens and a lot of other guys I used to like really flunk that test, and flunk it hard. By contrast, I frequently disagree with a lot of the other contributors to Unz.com, but none of them strike me as shallow, hollow men who've put no thought into these issues and are just putting on a performance. They may be wrong, but they got there honestly.

    I'll say it again: One of the most useful things Trump has done has been to inadvertantly expose how many of our supposedly Deep, Serious Thinkers have apparently been faking it the whole time. Or maybe not faking it so much as playing the role of the establishment's Harlem Globetrotters: They look like superstars as long as they're pulling off the same endlessly rehearsed stunt shots while playing the Washington Generals, but put them up against a real NBA team, and suddenly all those clever stunts look pretty stupid.

    Evidently, Stephens' "stunt shot" is "but what about the Jews?" It's devastating in the right context, but here it's a total non sequitur that just makes him look...not all that bright.

    But the acid test of a truly deep thinker is how they sound when they’re saying something you disagree with.

    Nice, I like that! (And here’s a converse: if someone sounds stupid even when he’s saying things you agree with… Remind you of anyone whose first name starts with a D and ends with a d?)

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  33. @Jefferson
    Do you have any evidence of that?

    His evidence is his eyes and his brain. He’s a noticer.
    He’s right too – in fact I’d wager that that boat is not even from Europe, but more likely a pleasure vessel of some kind. Some of those shown are too well dressed to be either tired or poor, and look like they will decamp to their comfortable apartments in (old) Harlem once they have disembarked.

    Jews, at any rate, they are not.

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    So you can tell from old grainy black and white photos where the faces are not that clear?
    , @Anonymous
    Yes, I think that you have to be suspicious about a photo where the caption identifies the passengers so specifically, but whose date is "circa 1900," and there is no mention of the vessel's name or the port of debarkation or embarkation.

    I also think that Bret has acquired a bit of Stockholm Syndrome at the Times, and is trying to impress his new workmates.

    , @Anonymous
    The writing on the sign on the boat is in English: "Passengers not allowed on the bridge". Does that suggest that it might be an American boat or perhaps from England?
    , @Jack D
    I 100% agree. The guys don't look Jewish, they don't look like immigrants, it's all wrong for a Jewish immigrant photo. That being said, immigrants did often sail on American (or English) flag ships. My wife's family came on the SS Haverford sailing the Hamburg - Liverpool-Philadelphia route (not all immigrants landed at Ellis Island).

    THIS is what immigrants looked like:

    http://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/v1492199450/articles/2014/05/25/ellis-island-s-doubled-edged-legacy/140724-Ellis-Island-tease_li87fh.jpg
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    I suspect you are right. Whatever their ethnicity, those people are not wearing clothes meant for traveling any distance. They look like clothes for a day outing, and the fur trim on one jacket and ruffles on one of the skirts are definitely not huddled-mass-wear.
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  34. @Dave Pinsen
    Was waiting for your post on this after seeing John Authers of the FT tweet about it favorably, as I'm out free NYT articles this month.

    Worth noting, re ethnic resentment as a mooted motivation, that David Frum, who's as Jewish as Stephens, shot down in flames the "what about past Jewish immigrants" tack in The Atlantic a couple of years ago, where he quoted Ann Coulter. And Bret Stephens's old boss at the Wall Street Journal, the late Robert Bartley, who AFAIK was not Jewish, was huge proponent of open borders.

    I’m out free NYT articles this month.

    Incognito mode (Chrome), Private tab (Firefox). Problem solved.

    But these days I don’t look at the New York Times for weeks on end. I let Steve Sailer read it for me!

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    I've got Brave, which I think is automatically incognito. I think they're getting smarter.
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  35. Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers …

    Because my wife subscribed to the digital edition of the Times at the beginning of the year, and I subscribed myself for a year in high school with their student discount, I have always, or at least recently, thought of “New York Times columnist” as a job that belongs first to its readers and crossword solvers.

    Tell Stephens to leave the keys to his desk with the receptionist, and I’ll pick them up Monday morning, after I arrange a loan for the flight to Newark, and the NJ Transit, PATH, and MTA fares to the office.

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  36. @Mr. Blank
    I cannot wrap my head around the thinking of a guy like Bret Stephens. What a tiny, warped world he apparently inhabits.

    And I used to really like the guy. Now, I admit some of this was blindness on my part: I thought Stephens sounded like a deep, knowledgeable guy when he was mostly saying things I agreed with. But the acid test of a truly deep thinker is how they sound when they're saying something you disagree with. Stephens and a lot of other guys I used to like really flunk that test, and flunk it hard. By contrast, I frequently disagree with a lot of the other contributors to Unz.com, but none of them strike me as shallow, hollow men who've put no thought into these issues and are just putting on a performance. They may be wrong, but they got there honestly.

    I'll say it again: One of the most useful things Trump has done has been to inadvertantly expose how many of our supposedly Deep, Serious Thinkers have apparently been faking it the whole time. Or maybe not faking it so much as playing the role of the establishment's Harlem Globetrotters: They look like superstars as long as they're pulling off the same endlessly rehearsed stunt shots while playing the Washington Generals, but put them up against a real NBA team, and suddenly all those clever stunts look pretty stupid.

    Evidently, Stephens' "stunt shot" is "but what about the Jews?" It's devastating in the right context, but here it's a total non sequitur that just makes him look...not all that bright.

    Brett Stephens wrote that article for the same reason this monkey does what it does. He’s bored:

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  37. @anon
    How much you want to bet that middle-class Jews in suburbia (as opposed to Manhattan NYT readers) quietly wish that Stephens would just shut the @#$& up?

    I'd bet about $0.00.

    Just look at how they vote.

    LI is pretty conservative, especially compared to the Upper West Side. In addition, they see for themselves the effect of letting in folks like M-13.

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    OK, well, if they were the kind of people who learned from experience, they would have learned by now.

    And "suburbia" is a lot more than Long Island. Look at how they vote nationwide.
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  38. @International Jew
    Yeah, only about five or six of those people don't look Jewish at all, to me.

    I meant about five or six don’t look Jewish.

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  39. @the Supreme Gentleman
    Stephens' thought process here is truly a mystery to me. Does he really want to choose "if you dislike third world immigration, you should also dislike Jews" as the hill to die on? Can he truly not perceive that forcing people to make this choice will lead to many more people choosing to dislike Jews rather than like third world immigration?

    No mystery: he’s an idiot.

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  40. @Old Palo Altan
    His evidence is his eyes and his brain. He's a noticer.
    He's right too - in fact I'd wager that that boat is not even from Europe, but more likely a pleasure vessel of some kind. Some of those shown are too well dressed to be either tired or poor, and look like they will decamp to their comfortable apartments in (old) Harlem once they have disembarked.

    Jews, at any rate, they are not.

    So you can tell from old grainy black and white photos where the faces are not that clear?

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    In a word, yes.
    , @Anonymous
    These are the "Jews" we put in the front window, if you get my drift.
    Either few of them are actually Jewish, or none are--take your pick.
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  41. @Rosamond Vincy
    LI is pretty conservative, especially compared to the Upper West Side. In addition, they see for themselves the effect of letting in folks like M-13.

    OK, well, if they were the kind of people who learned from experience, they would have learned by now.

    And “suburbia” is a lot more than Long Island. Look at how they vote nationwide.

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    I suspect there's a new kind of Silent Majority. My (nice Jewish) doctor told me he was voting Trump, and admitted (after I said it first) that he was concerned about immigration, particularly after incidents in Europe.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Yes, and even on Long Island, those votes for Trump came mainly from Italians and other white European Gentiles, not from Jews.
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  42. @Antlitz Grollheim
    Well spotted! I agree. It is a royalty-free stock photo which doesn't say where the immigrants are from.

    http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/atlantic-crossing-steamship.html

    What chutzpah!

    Thanks.

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  43. @anon
    I wondee what the Bret Stephenses of the world think is going to happen once America is majority non-white. Does he think all the Haitians and Salvadoreans are going to keep paying for his favorite country? I really don't think so.

    And then what are they going to do?

    That's the one satisfying part of that possible future.

    All those Haitians and Salvadoreans might not pay, but they’re also not going to compete with all the Bret Stephenses of the world for all those cushy jobs like writing for the NY Times.

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    When they're the majority, how many Haitians and Salvadoreans are going to still buy newspapers? Those cushy jobs are going to be a lot less cushy.
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  44. @Mr. Blank
    I cannot wrap my head around the thinking of a guy like Bret Stephens. What a tiny, warped world he apparently inhabits.

    And I used to really like the guy. Now, I admit some of this was blindness on my part: I thought Stephens sounded like a deep, knowledgeable guy when he was mostly saying things I agreed with. But the acid test of a truly deep thinker is how they sound when they're saying something you disagree with. Stephens and a lot of other guys I used to like really flunk that test, and flunk it hard. By contrast, I frequently disagree with a lot of the other contributors to Unz.com, but none of them strike me as shallow, hollow men who've put no thought into these issues and are just putting on a performance. They may be wrong, but they got there honestly.

    I'll say it again: One of the most useful things Trump has done has been to inadvertantly expose how many of our supposedly Deep, Serious Thinkers have apparently been faking it the whole time. Or maybe not faking it so much as playing the role of the establishment's Harlem Globetrotters: They look like superstars as long as they're pulling off the same endlessly rehearsed stunt shots while playing the Washington Generals, but put them up against a real NBA team, and suddenly all those clever stunts look pretty stupid.

    Evidently, Stephens' "stunt shot" is "but what about the Jews?" It's devastating in the right context, but here it's a total non sequitur that just makes him look...not all that bright.

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  45. @anon
    OK, well, if they were the kind of people who learned from experience, they would have learned by now.

    And "suburbia" is a lot more than Long Island. Look at how they vote nationwide.

    I suspect there’s a new kind of Silent Majority. My (nice Jewish) doctor told me he was voting Trump, and admitted (after I said it first) that he was concerned about immigration, particularly after incidents in Europe.

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    Keep hope alive!

    If you're right, though, it would have been nice if they'd figured it out fifty years ago.
    , @Anonymous
    Avoid the anesthesia if I were you..
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  46. @Antlitz Grollheim
    Well spotted! I agree. It is a royalty-free stock photo which doesn't say where the immigrants are from.

    http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/atlantic-crossing-steamship.html

    What chutzpah!
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    Congratulations to both you and Antlitz (how is your visage old boy?)

    Note that one version says it is from 1890, another from 1899. In other words, they are all talking through their collective hat.

    At least half a dozen people in that photo had never even heard of steerage, much less crossed the Atlantic in it.
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  47. @International Jew

    I’m out free NYT articles this month.
     
    Incognito mode (Chrome), Private tab (Firefox). Problem solved.

    But these days I don't look at the New York Times for weeks on end. I let Steve Sailer read it for me!

    I’ve got Brave, which I think is automatically incognito. I think they’re getting smarter.

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  48. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I think Stephens thinking is more along the lines of the following:

    If navivists are right about Salvadorans now, then nativists were right about jews then. And if nativists were right about jews, oh gawd…hitler was right.

    Therefore, Salvadoran immigration is good.

    Of course, this doesn’t make any sense from a self-interested perspective, but it does make sense from a self-centered holocaust paranoia perspective.

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    “But, overall, it strikes me as nuts to feel that the most important consideration in shaping immigration policy in 2018 was what was good for your ancestors in 1900.”

    I’m not sure if its even what was good for our ancestors. Sure we’d probably have a few less things (though European man has been pretty spectacular at creativity and innovation, so it’s doubtful it would be that drastic), but what have we gotten in return? The 1965 immigration bill, the current dispossession of our country, genocide and scapegoating our people? If the choice is living in Mayberry or in what is shaping up to be something like South Africa, I’m choosing Mayberry.

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    Speaking of the 1965 immigration act, which synagogue did Ted Kennedy attend? Who was his rabbi?
    , @International Jew
    Sweden, which has very few Jews, is even more nuts about national suicide-by-immigration than the US is. So don't blame us.
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  50. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s a thought experiment: Would the United States have been better off if it had banned Jewish immigration sometime in the late 19th century … ?

    The answer, almost without a doubt, is yes. The balance of positive and negative contributions is hard to estimate accurately but it comes down to this: Jews’ many contributions to science and technology would have been closely matched by non-Jews filling the same positions in businesses and universities. At the worst, there would be a delay here and three. On the other hand, Jewish contributions to the leftist/progressive/communist/anti-white agenda would be unlikely to be matched on a large scale. Without the permanent leftist revolution, the US would not have gone through the demographic transformation.

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    Answering his question in the affirmative is easy as 2 + 2 = 4.
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  51. @Rosamond Vincy
    How much you want to bet that middle-class Jews in suburbia (as opposed to Manhattan NYT readers) quietly wish that Stephens would just shut the @#$& up?

    I think a lot of suburban Jews are descended from urban Jews and thus share their politics. Based on my acquaintances, anyway. I’m talking Boston and NYC and probably DC. I think it would probably be somewhat different around lesser cities, like Worcester and Rochester, where there were probably less in theater, in education, or government.

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  52. If you really want to challenge Bret Stephens editorial you must address his question

    Would the United States have been better off if it had banned Jewish immigration sometime in the late 19th century, so that the immigrant parents of Rosenberg and Sobell had never set foot here?

    that he thinks is rhetorical. This question is not necessarily rhetorical. I am pretty sure one can imagine America development w/o Jewish contributions that perhaps would lead to overall a better country for its citizens and for the world. There is however no doubt when a similar question is formulated in the case of Russia:

    Did Russia became a better country by absorbing Polish Jews in 18 century who later greatly contributed to the destruction of Russia and all horrors of Bolshevik revolution that genocided Russian aristocratic, intellectual and Christian elites?

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  53. @Rosamond Vincy
    I suspect there's a new kind of Silent Majority. My (nice Jewish) doctor told me he was voting Trump, and admitted (after I said it first) that he was concerned about immigration, particularly after incidents in Europe.

    Keep hope alive!

    If you’re right, though, it would have been nice if they’d figured it out fifty years ago.

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  54. @Jefferson
    So you can tell from old grainy black and white photos where the faces are not that clear?

    In a word, yes.

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    So Bret Stephens being a Jewish Person Of Color would racially stick out like a sore thumb in that picture?
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  55. “What, in terms of enterprise, genius, imagination, and philanthropy would have been lost to America as a country?”

    So Stephens here is acknowledging that some immigrants are better than others.

    Isn’t it racist to suggest that the x number of Jews we took in were better than x number of immigrants from any other ethnic group?

    When open borders fanatics aren’t lying they’re flat out contradicting themselves.

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  56. But then I’m a wacko extremist, and Bret Stephens is a major voice of Respectable Thinking. So I would say that, wouldn’t I?

    You know, Steve, to each his own style, but I don’t know if you need to be including these self-deprecating appendices anymore. I understand that it was probably important at some point to make it clear to everyone how biased the journalistic establishment was against your ideas, and also how conscious you were of that bias, but times are changing — there are lots of Millennials now who accept at face value the claim that the NYT is garbage and, while they may not know who you are, once they know who your enemies are and hear them call you “racist” (read: white person with bad thoughts), they know that you can’t be too bad.

    Just a thought. Times are changing and possession of your proverbial megaphone is currently in flux. Perhaps your language should reflect that reality?

    Also, my own pale imitation of your style: please keep in mind that I’m a Millennial myself and might be overestimating how quickly things are changing.

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  57. Why don’t “my people” (Catholics) whistle this sort of tune as often as Jews do? The Catholic bishops make similar noises, of course, but it seems like most lay Catholics don’t really think like this, or aren’t as vocal about it. Most non-Hispanic white Catholics certainly don’t vote on this basis.

    (Incidentally, one reason that the Catholic bishops are more focused on this issue than lay Catholics might be ethnicity, too. By my count, 33% (58/177) of U.S. bishops have Irish last names. I’m not sure what share of the U.S. Catholic population thinks of itself as ‘Irish’? Could it be that the U.S. bishops are (still) more likely to be Irish than the U.S. Catholic population as a whole? In my experience Catholics descended from Irish immigrants do seem to be more vulnerable to ethnic schmaltz appeals than do Catholics descended from Italian, German, eastern European, etc., immigrants.)

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    No Republican can win Irish Catholic Massachusetts in a presidential election. Irish Catholics in Massachusetts are voting like their Hispanic Catholic brothers and sisters.
    , @anon

    … Catholics descended from Irish immigrants do seem to be more vulnerable to ethnic schmaltz appeals than do Catholics descended from Italian, German, eastern European, etc…

     

    True for me in St. Paul, MN. Scandos are pretty schmaltzophilic too but few are RC.
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  58. @J.Ross
    By "Stephens' 'what if'" I think you meant "Stephens' career."

    Yes, it’s almost a new Sailer’s law of Journalists: “The most heartfelt articles by Jewish journalists tend to be demands that things be handled in such a way that benefit or would have benefited the writer or his ancestors.”

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    *Editorialists, not journalists. The journalists are the ones documenting every last stubbed Muslim toe. Since the hole remark NPR has interviewed or profiled a different Haitian every day. I have yet to hear them talk to any non-Haitians who preceded them in a given neighborhood.
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  59. @anon
    OK, well, if they were the kind of people who learned from experience, they would have learned by now.

    And "suburbia" is a lot more than Long Island. Look at how they vote nationwide.

    Yes, and even on Long Island, those votes for Trump came mainly from Italians and other white European Gentiles, not from Jews.

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    Sad then that they do not see their own interests. The Bushes and the Clintons were total Saudi suck-ups, and I'm not even going to start on Barack Hussein. So odd that Trump has the bad reputation!
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  60. @Anonymous
    All those Haitians and Salvadoreans might not pay, but they're also not going to compete with all the Bret Stephenses of the world for all those cushy jobs like writing for the NY Times.

    When they’re the majority, how many Haitians and Salvadoreans are going to still buy newspapers? Those cushy jobs are going to be a lot less cushy.

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  61. @Old Palo Altan
    His evidence is his eyes and his brain. He's a noticer.
    He's right too - in fact I'd wager that that boat is not even from Europe, but more likely a pleasure vessel of some kind. Some of those shown are too well dressed to be either tired or poor, and look like they will decamp to their comfortable apartments in (old) Harlem once they have disembarked.

    Jews, at any rate, they are not.

    Yes, I think that you have to be suspicious about a photo where the caption identifies the passengers so specifically, but whose date is “circa 1900,” and there is no mention of the vessel’s name or the port of debarkation or embarkation.

    I also think that Bret has acquired a bit of Stockholm Syndrome at the Times, and is trying to impress his new workmates.

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  62. The logical inconsistency of these nitwits is truly something to behold. How is it European White Christians are to blame for the entirety of America’s past, but everyone else is to be given the credit when credit is due for building America?

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  63. Calling your hot take article a “Modest proposal” vs appending “gate” onto every scandal… which is the gayer mainstream writer tic?

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  64. @Dave Pinsen
    Was waiting for your post on this after seeing John Authers of the FT tweet about it favorably, as I'm out free NYT articles this month.

    Worth noting, re ethnic resentment as a mooted motivation, that David Frum, who's as Jewish as Stephens, shot down in flames the "what about past Jewish immigrants" tack in The Atlantic a couple of years ago, where he quoted Ann Coulter. And Bret Stephens's old boss at the Wall Street Journal, the late Robert Bartley, who AFAIK was not Jewish, was huge proponent of open borders.

    the late Robert Bartley, who AFAIK was not Jewish, was huge proponent of open borders.

    Robert Bartley gave Soros an award for his ‘contribution’ to the free market. When he handed Soros the trophy, he said the thought that Soros ‘had done a lot of good.’ Right! Depriving middle-class workers of their savings, and doing it on a worldwide scale, did them a lot of good.

    Robert Bartley, useful idiot for the hyper rich, and enemy of honest, hardworking people everywhere – may he not rest in peace, but swim in the lake.

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  65. @syonredux

    Someone might ask Jeff Sessions and other eternal bigots what makes an El Salvadoran, Iranian or Haitian any different.
     
    I'm sure that Jeff Sessions knows the answer to that one, but I don't think that he would be willing to say it out loud in a public forum.

    But, thanks to internet anonymity, I'll answer for him: IQ.

    More IQ-autism.

    IQ matters a lot. It’s also not entirely genetic-based, and it’s definitely not the only trait that matters.

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    More IQ-autism.

    IQ matters a lot. It’s also not entirely genetic-based, and it’s definitely not the only trait that matters.
     
    Didn't say that it's the only trait that matters. I was merely noting that IQ is an area where Ashkenazi Jews are different from Haitians and Latinx.

    And, yes, environmental factors do play a role in shaping IQ.
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  66. “A Modest Immigration Proposal: Ban Jews”

    Bret Stephens finally says something sensible.

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    Where do I sign?
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  67. @Jefferson
    Do you have any evidence of that?

    The strongest reason to take it with a grain of salt is how much BS the MSM tosses at us daily. Why take any of their claims when it deals with race, gender, immigration or politics at face value?

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  68. @Stan Adams
    Here is a higher-quality version:
    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/steerage-passenger-emigrants-on-ship-1899-news-photo/629447263#steerage-passenger-emigrants-on-ship-1899-picture-id629447263

    Congratulations to both you and Antlitz (how is your visage old boy?)

    Note that one version says it is from 1890, another from 1899. In other words, they are all talking through their collective hat.

    At least half a dozen people in that photo had never even heard of steerage, much less crossed the Atlantic in it.

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    Sporting, my fellow Teutonophile!
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  69. @Old Palo Altan
    In a word, yes.

    So Bret Stephens being a Jewish Person Of Color would racially stick out like a sore thumb in that picture?

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    A bit of mystery keeps the art sharp, just like love.
    , @Hibernian
    A fair number of Jews don't look Jewish, but a bunch of Northern European looking people are not that likely to be a bunch of non-Jewish looking Jews.
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  70. @Cagey Beast
    Right now, Glenn Beck is screaming and crying and begging for forgiveness on behalf of all the un-Chosen for making Brett Stephens even wonder whether America should have taken in the Special Ones.

    I think Stephens is asking this question for kicks. He looks forward to the fawning and gushing from megachurch Evangelicals -- who he detests -- and the response of social media anti-Semites, who will recharge his Jewish batteries with their hate.

    He looks forward to the fawning and gushing from megachurch Evangelicals

    I’ll bet you don’t know any megachurch Evangelicals, do you?

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    Yeah, I must not know them the way you do because I've seen zero evidence that any of them would practice proper Jew-diligence when presented with Bret Stephens' "modest proposal".

    Would any of those weepy, pastel-coloured, IHOP Christians point out any missteps so far in the magical mystery tour of Jews in America? Like hell they would.
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  71. @Forbes
    Stephens' "what if" strikes me as mental and moral masturbation--momentarily gratifying but completely unproductive, an exercise best conducted alone and not in public.

    Or his nearest ficus plant

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  72. @Anonymous
    Yes, it's almost a new Sailer's law of Journalists: "The most heartfelt articles by Jewish journalists tend to be demands that things be handled in such a way that benefit or would have benefited the writer or his ancestors."

    *Editorialists, not journalists. The journalists are the ones documenting every last stubbed Muslim toe. Since the hole remark NPR has interviewed or profiled a different Haitian every day. I have yet to hear them talk to any non-Haitians who preceded them in a given neighborhood.

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  73. @Old Palo Altan
    Congratulations to both you and Antlitz (how is your visage old boy?)

    Note that one version says it is from 1890, another from 1899. In other words, they are all talking through their collective hat.

    At least half a dozen people in that photo had never even heard of steerage, much less crossed the Atlantic in it.

    Sporting, my fellow Teutonophile!

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  74. @Antlitz Grollheim
    Well spotted! I agree. It is a royalty-free stock photo which doesn't say where the immigrants are from.

    http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/atlantic-crossing-steamship.html

    What chutzpah!

    Well spotted! I agree. It is a royalty-free stock photo which doesn’t say where the immigrants are from.

    Hey! Who are you calling “stock”?

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  75. @Jefferson
    So Bret Stephens being a Jewish Person Of Color would racially stick out like a sore thumb in that picture?

    A bit of mystery keeps the art sharp, just like love.

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  76. @Dave Pinsen
    Was waiting for your post on this after seeing John Authers of the FT tweet about it favorably, as I'm out free NYT articles this month.

    Worth noting, re ethnic resentment as a mooted motivation, that David Frum, who's as Jewish as Stephens, shot down in flames the "what about past Jewish immigrants" tack in The Atlantic a couple of years ago, where he quoted Ann Coulter. And Bret Stephens's old boss at the Wall Street Journal, the late Robert Bartley, who AFAIK was not Jewish, was huge proponent of open borders.

    David Frum used to have some really good opinions on immigration. I mean, he moderated a panel on Mark Krikorian’s book on CSPAN about 8 years ago. He also knows that the economic arguments on mass immigration are phony too. He used to always comment on them on the NRO blog. He just went nuts. Deep down inside, as much as he hates Trump, he notes that Stephens is wrong on this.

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    He still has good opinions on immigration, but I don't get his anti-Trump animus, especially since they share the same #1 issue. We follow each other on Twitter, but I had to mute him a while back as the anti-Trump stuff was just incessant.
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  77. @Mr. Blank
    I cannot wrap my head around the thinking of a guy like Bret Stephens. What a tiny, warped world he apparently inhabits.

    And I used to really like the guy. Now, I admit some of this was blindness on my part: I thought Stephens sounded like a deep, knowledgeable guy when he was mostly saying things I agreed with. But the acid test of a truly deep thinker is how they sound when they're saying something you disagree with. Stephens and a lot of other guys I used to like really flunk that test, and flunk it hard. By contrast, I frequently disagree with a lot of the other contributors to Unz.com, but none of them strike me as shallow, hollow men who've put no thought into these issues and are just putting on a performance. They may be wrong, but they got there honestly.

    I'll say it again: One of the most useful things Trump has done has been to inadvertantly expose how many of our supposedly Deep, Serious Thinkers have apparently been faking it the whole time. Or maybe not faking it so much as playing the role of the establishment's Harlem Globetrotters: They look like superstars as long as they're pulling off the same endlessly rehearsed stunt shots while playing the Washington Generals, but put them up against a real NBA team, and suddenly all those clever stunts look pretty stupid.

    Evidently, Stephens' "stunt shot" is "but what about the Jews?" It's devastating in the right context, but here it's a total non sequitur that just makes him look...not all that bright.

    The craziest thing about all of this is that no one seems to realize that the population of Earth is now 7.5 billion people. Forget about ethnicity, I just can’t seem to understand why people can’t grasp that basic fact and that they all can’t come here.

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    Yup. Google says that world population in 1900 was 1.6 billion and today it's 7.6 billion. Plus, it's a lot easier to travel today.
    , @nebulafox
    My very "Old Left" style brother-think Gompers, FDR, etc-uses this as his main argument, along with the obvious effect on American workers, to limit immigration. And to encourage birth control in Africa using any means necessary.
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  78. @Chuck

    "A Modest Immigration Proposal: Ban Jews"
     
    Bret Stephens finally says something sensible.

    Where do I sign?

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  79. @Mike P.
    Why don't "my people" (Catholics) whistle this sort of tune as often as Jews do? The Catholic bishops make similar noises, of course, but it seems like most lay Catholics don't really think like this, or aren't as vocal about it. Most non-Hispanic white Catholics certainly don't vote on this basis.

    (Incidentally, one reason that the Catholic bishops are more focused on this issue than lay Catholics might be ethnicity, too. By my count, 33% (58/177) of U.S. bishops have Irish last names. I'm not sure what share of the U.S. Catholic population thinks of itself as 'Irish'? Could it be that the U.S. bishops are (still) more likely to be Irish than the U.S. Catholic population as a whole? In my experience Catholics descended from Irish immigrants do seem to be more vulnerable to ethnic schmaltz appeals than do Catholics descended from Italian, German, eastern European, etc., immigrants.)

    No Republican can win Irish Catholic Massachusetts in a presidential election. Irish Catholics in Massachusetts are voting like their Hispanic Catholic brothers and sisters.

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  80. @William Middleton
    The craziest thing about all of this is that no one seems to realize that the population of Earth is now 7.5 billion people. Forget about ethnicity, I just can't seem to understand why people can't grasp that basic fact and that they all can't come here.

    Yup. Google says that world population in 1900 was 1.6 billion and today it’s 7.6 billion. Plus, it’s a lot easier to travel today.

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  81. Would the United States have been better off if it had banned Jewish immigration sometime in the late 19th century

    A guy can dream can’t he?

    But let’s phrase it another way: would Jews have been better off if the United States had banned Jewish immigration sometime in the late 19th century? The answer is obviously “no”, since millions of them would have been murdered by the Nazis. Yet where’s the gratitude? Instead of gratitude Stephens has nothing but contempt for the people who saved millions from Hitler’s ovens.

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    But let’s phrase it another way: would Jews have been better off if the United States had banned Jewish immigration sometime in the late 19th century? The answer is obviously “no”, since millions of them would have been murdered by the Nazis.
     
    That's assuming that the USA was the only place in the world to emigrate to.
    , @Anonymous
    Don't let Twitter's Dave Pinsen see your post. He'll have you know that Americans and Brits are the main reason Jews went cookin' in the first place. Not that they actually did, or didn't, mind you.
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  82. Thinking about the Chinese exclusion act, what opportunities were lost because of it? What benefits were gained? California seemed to do rather well without unrestricted Asian immigration.

    Jews were restricted after the 1924 immigration act, along with other immigrants, causing some hardship for Jews trying to escape Europe. But what opportunities were lost by the 1924 immigration act?

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    "Thinking about the Chinese exclusion act, what opportunities were lost because of it? What benefits were gained? California seemed to do rather well without unrestricted Asian immigration."

    California now has a higher poverty rate than Mississippi, but that is because of Hispanic immigration, not Asian immigration. Asians are killing it in the tech field while Hispanics are killing it in the EBT cards field. Donald Trump is right Mexico is not sending us their best, but India and China certainly are.
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  83. @Cagey Beast
    Right now, Glenn Beck is screaming and crying and begging for forgiveness on behalf of all the un-Chosen for making Brett Stephens even wonder whether America should have taken in the Special Ones.

    I think Stephens is asking this question for kicks. He looks forward to the fawning and gushing from megachurch Evangelicals -- who he detests -- and the response of social media anti-Semites, who will recharge his Jewish batteries with their hate.

    A whopping 80% of Evangelicals voted for Donald Trump, so I doubt very much most Evangelicals will side with Bret Stephens on immigration.

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    They might be more likely to agree with Stephens on immigration than other groups who voted for Trump.

    They voted 80 percent for Trump because he is a Republican. They would have voted 80 percent for any other dude up there too, aside from perhaps Rand Paul because he doesn't love Israel enough. I don't think they care that much about immigration one way or the other.

    Evangelicals, especially those who go to megachurches are the largest base of support for neo-cons; after all they were at a cultural high point in terms of influence and recruits during the Bush era. The neo-con shtick would get a lot less attention without mainstream evangelicals behind them.
    , @Cagey Beast
    But would they side with Bret Stephens on the JQ? That was my point. Megachurch Evangelicals would agree with the likely atheist but still Jewish Bret Stephens on the centrality of the Jewish people in the cosmos and American life.
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  84. @Rosamond Vincy
    How much you want to bet that middle-class Jews in suburbia (as opposed to Manhattan NYT readers) quietly wish that Stephens would just shut the @#$& up?

    @ 11 Rosamond Vincy: “How much you want to bet that middle-class Jews in suburbia (as opposed to Manhattan NYT readers) quietly wish that Stephens would just shut the @#$& up?”

    1. Some might, but more because he’s embarrassing them than that they disagree with his stance. Most Jews think that without them, America would be a backwards and ignorant country – that they, alone were responsible for any and all advances in science, medicine, and philosophy.

    2. If they do want him to shut up, they should damned well say something, even if they’re afraid their rabbi might not approve. As it stands, they’re still part of the sea in which Stephens swims and equally culpable for their presumed supportive silence.

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    Unfortunately, people get tired of SJWs jumping down their throats. I've been friends for years with a musician who still lives in NYC, but he is so left-wing that I just don't bring up anything anymore. I love the guy, he's awesome as a creative force, but I just got tired of listening to him rant.
    Mind you, he is half-Episcopalian and half-Presbyterian, and I'm a devout Catholic, so we can expect to disagree on a number of things, but the pressure on Jews by other Jews must be exponentially worse. How many people probably lied to exit pollsters or their neighbors: "Of COURSE we voted for Hillary." And secretly sighed with relief when she didn't win.
    Decades ago, one journalist said she couldn't imagine how someone (Reagan I think) could have won an election: "No one *I* know voted for him!" So probably, her most of her friends fit a particular voting block, but it's also probable that some of them flat-out LIED.
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  85. While trying (unsuccessfully) to track down more information about the photograph, I stumbled upon a charming little book called Changing Russia (1913) by Stephen Graham.

    A hundred years ago, the Ruskies regarded the Chosen as greedy, dishonest, power-hungry a**holes with bad BO:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=AC_UAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA134

    https://books.google.com/books?id=AC_UAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA245

    Stereotypes die hard, don’t they?

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  86. @William Middleton
    David Frum used to have some really good opinions on immigration. I mean, he moderated a panel on Mark Krikorian's book on CSPAN about 8 years ago. He also knows that the economic arguments on mass immigration are phony too. He used to always comment on them on the NRO blog. He just went nuts. Deep down inside, as much as he hates Trump, he notes that Stephens is wrong on this.

    He still has good opinions on immigration, but I don’t get his anti-Trump animus, especially since they share the same #1 issue. We follow each other on Twitter, but I had to mute him a while back as the anti-Trump stuff was just incessant.

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    I never liked Frum because of what he did to Buchanan and company during the Iraq Attack. I noticed some folks sort of forgave him when he came out against open borders. But for him to continually attack Trump, the one guy who finally has a chance to do something about immigration, shows he is either dumb (which I doubt) or immigration is not really that big of a deal to him.

    Ann Coulter tweeted two and one-half years ago,"I don't care if Donald Trump wants to perform abortions in White House after his immigration policy paper." If one really believes immigration is an existential issue, then one must support Trump so long as he does what he promised.
    , @SFG
    If immigration isn't his #1 issue, he might oppose Trump despite Trump doing what he wants on that one issue. (Remember, Richard Spencer supports universal healthcare.) He actually seems to have some legitimate concerns about corruption, but I'm more concerned about immigration, so I voted for Trump.

    Frum might figure Trump is going to create a huge backlash once out of office that will swamp any small gains (and I had this worry myself), but I think I'm giving the guy way too much credit with that one. And I'm still pissed over the Iraq war.

    Not that I haven't seen these guys playing complicated games with their actual opinions--David Auerbach of Slate gave a complicated description of techies' disgust with PC while claiming it wasn't his actual views, and then was found to have leaked information on feminists to Milo Yiannopoulos. Maybe he thinks denouncing Trump is the price of being able to criticize immigration from the pages of the Atlantic (which actually does have the possibility of changing a few minds the National Review or Unz won't). So, who knows?

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  87. @AndrewR
    More IQ-autism.

    IQ matters a lot. It's also not entirely genetic-based, and it's definitely not the only trait that matters.

    More IQ-autism.

    IQ matters a lot. It’s also not entirely genetic-based, and it’s definitely not the only trait that matters.

    Didn’t say that it’s the only trait that matters. I was merely noting that IQ is an area where Ashkenazi Jews are different from Haitians and Latinx.

    And, yes, environmental factors do play a role in shaping IQ.

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  88. Today, American Jews are widely considered the model minority, so thoroughly assimilated that organizational Jewish energies are now largely devoted to protecting our religious and cultural distinctiveness.

    I hear this a lot,that Jews are thoroughly assimilated. However, is this true? If you judge assimilation by wealth, success and power, then I suppose this is correct. But I don’t think that is what assimilation means. In fact I don’t think that is what Jews think assimilation means. Because Jews fear assimilation. And if assimilation is simply wealth accumulation, success and power, what is there to fear?

    No assimilation is something else. It is the absorption of your group into the whole. It is the loss of your distinctiveness and culture. This does not describe Jews. It is the complete opposite. It’s why Stephens writes, ” …organizational Jewish energies are now largely devoted to protecting our religious and cultural distinctiveness.”

    Thoroughly assimilated groups would be like the Germans and various other Europeans who have no clue where they came from, don’t speak one word of their formerly native tongue, nor have much recollection of their past culture, or even care for that matter.

    There might be some remaining enclaves of white ethnics that still cling to their past. Perhaps the Cajuns of Louisiana might come to mind, or maybe some Greeks in some place like Astoria, NY. But for the most part, various European Americans have been absorbed into the whole and most of us of European descent are English-speaking, thoroughly-mixed, Euro-mutts who at present don’t even think of ourselves as a group with common interests. (Note: the thought of us ever coming together politically scares the hell out of our betters.)

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    "There might be some remaining enclaves of white ethnics that still cling to their past. Perhaps the Cajuns of Louisiana might come to mind, or maybe some Greeks in some place like Astoria, NY. But for the most part, various European Americans have been absorbed into the whole and most of us of European descent are English-speaking, thoroughly-mixed, Euro-mutts who at present don’t even think of ourselves as a group with common interests. (Note: the thought of us ever coming together politically scares the hell out of our betters.)"

    I've never met a Jew in 21st Century America who was not fluent in English.



    "No assimilation is something else. It is the absorption of your group into the whole. It is the loss of your distinctiveness and culture."

    The loss off distinctiveness and culture? You must have never step foot in an Italian enclave in the Tri-State area or been to The Feast Of San Gennaro or a Columbus Day Parade.

    There are definitely clear cultural differences between New York Italians and North Dakota WASPs for example.
    , @SFG
    A 50%+ intermarriage rate hardly indicates a lack of assimilation.

    Unfortunately, they assimilate into the left half of the American elite, and give it (a) greater intellectual firepower and (b) particular preoccupations with race which are very bad.

    I suspect the fraction of the Jewish population that sympathizes with mainstream America simply marries goyim, leaves the tribe, and keeps their mouths shut.
    , @Orwellian State

    No assimilation is something else. It is the absorption of your group into the whole. It is the loss of your distinctiveness and culture. This does not describe Jews. It is the complete opposite. It’s why Stephens writes, ” …organizational Jewish energies are now largely devoted to protecting our religious and cultural distinctiveness.”

    Thoroughly assimilated groups would be like the Germans and various other Europeans who have no clue where they came from, don’t speak one word of their formerly native tongue, nor have much recollection of their past culture, or even care for that matter.

     

    Exactly. If they are assimilated nobody would be talking about Jews today. They wouldn't even call themselves Jews. There wouldn't be Jewish organizations everywhere, they wouldn't constantly write about being Jewish, 80% of them wouldn't be liberals who are pushing for open borders, identity politics, victim mentality, censorship and 19% of the remaining 20% wouldn't be neocons pushing for war with the whole Muslim world and more open borders.
    , @utu

    Thoroughly assimilated groups would be like the Germans and various other Europeans who have no clue where they came from, don’t speak one word of their formerly native tongue, nor have much recollection of their past culture, or even care for that matter.
     
    The concept of assimilation was redefined to suit Jews because if Jews ever had to go for assimilation as Germans, Swedes or Poles did there would be no Jews left. The identity politics is quintessential to Jewish existence. No more melting pot. Tossed salad?
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  89. IT sounds like a deal. Importing two million of the buggers between 1880-1920 was a disaster.

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  90. It’s interesting how Stephens is living in a liberal American city and not Israel. This crap probably wouldn’t go down well there. The Israeli’s aren’t just worried about an influx of non-Jews, they’re also worried about an influx of Jewish refugees from Europe, hence their concerns about Islamic immigration into Europe. Israel is very crowded place and they don’t even have enough space for their own kind, left alone non-Jews:

    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Europe-begins-to-appreciate-the-reality-of-Islamic-terrorism-503632

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    Israel is very crowded place and they don’t even have enough space for their own kind, left alone non-Jews:

    About 18% of the land area of that portion of the country which is north of the Negev is now built up. (And Israel has been constructing towns in the Negev, which now house 10% of Israel's population). Israel's current Jewish population outnumbers Europe's Jewish population 3.5-fold. The increase in Israel's Jewish population over the last 15 years exceeds the total Jewish population of Europe. Philip Giraldi's psyche hardest hit.

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  91. @William Middleton
    The craziest thing about all of this is that no one seems to realize that the population of Earth is now 7.5 billion people. Forget about ethnicity, I just can't seem to understand why people can't grasp that basic fact and that they all can't come here.

    My very “Old Left” style brother-think Gompers, FDR, etc-uses this as his main argument, along with the obvious effect on American workers, to limit immigration. And to encourage birth control in Africa using any means necessary.

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    I particularly like that "using any means necessary".

    No adults, no babies.
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  92. My modest proposal involves sending all these Haitian rocket scientists to Israel.

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  93. ‘Fareed Zakaria GPS’, last Sunday, with Ed Miliband and Mark Krikorian:

    Zakaria: …The broader point, it seems to me is that seems human talent is sprinkled equally throughout the globe….

    Miliband: …Obviously, you’re, I think, right to say talent is sprinkled more generally…

    Scott Adams called the Zakaria ‘the smartest man on television’.

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    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1801/14/fzgps.01.html
    , @Anonymous
    I've run into this just lately. They actually believe that IQ is the same everywhere and among everyone. If you even hint at facts in opposition they bring out the death squads. And they F*ing love science!
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  94. @Jefferson
    So you can tell from old grainy black and white photos where the faces are not that clear?

    These are the “Jews” we put in the front window, if you get my drift.
    Either few of them are actually Jewish, or none are–take your pick.

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  95. @jcd1974

    Would the United States have been better off if it had banned Jewish immigration sometime in the late 19th century
     
    A guy can dream can't he?

    But let's phrase it another way: would Jews have been better off if the United States had banned Jewish immigration sometime in the late 19th century? The answer is obviously "no", since millions of them would have been murdered by the Nazis. Yet where's the gratitude? Instead of gratitude Stephens has nothing but contempt for the people who saved millions from Hitler's ovens.

    But let’s phrase it another way: would Jews have been better off if the United States had banned Jewish immigration sometime in the late 19th century? The answer is obviously “no”, since millions of them would have been murdered by the Nazis.

    That’s assuming that the USA was the only place in the world to emigrate to.

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  96. @Amasius
    Would have been a great proposal in 1890.

    And the 1890 census formed the basis for the Immigration Act of 1924. The several decades which followed just happened to be the interval during which America became the world’s greatest nation, and undisputed leader of the Free World.

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  97. @3g4me
    @ 11 Rosamond Vincy: "How much you want to bet that middle-class Jews in suburbia (as opposed to Manhattan NYT readers) quietly wish that Stephens would just shut the @#$& up?"

    1. Some might, but more because he's embarrassing them than that they disagree with his stance. Most Jews think that without them, America would be a backwards and ignorant country - that they, alone were responsible for any and all advances in science, medicine, and philosophy.

    2. If they do want him to shut up, they should damned well say something, even if they're afraid their rabbi might not approve. As it stands, they're still part of the sea in which Stephens swims and equally culpable for their presumed supportive silence.

    Unfortunately, people get tired of SJWs jumping down their throats. I’ve been friends for years with a musician who still lives in NYC, but he is so left-wing that I just don’t bring up anything anymore. I love the guy, he’s awesome as a creative force, but I just got tired of listening to him rant.
    Mind you, he is half-Episcopalian and half-Presbyterian, and I’m a devout Catholic, so we can expect to disagree on a number of things, but the pressure on Jews by other Jews must be exponentially worse. How many people probably lied to exit pollsters or their neighbors: “Of COURSE we voted for Hillary.” And secretly sighed with relief when she didn’t win.
    Decades ago, one journalist said she couldn’t imagine how someone (Reagan I think) could have won an election: “No one *I* know voted for him!” So probably, her most of her friends fit a particular voting block, but it’s also probable that some of them flat-out LIED.

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    but the pressure on Jews by other Jews must be exponentially worse.

    Right, and do you know why it's so much worse? Because the percentage of them that are staunch Democrats is so much higher.

    Why would the pressure on them be exponentially worse, if there really was this "silent majority" that's against destroying America?
    , @nebulafox
    It was Nixon and Pauline Kael. And her story is actually quite plausible, given the Domitian-esque relations between Nixon and the intellectual/professional classes of the US.
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  98. @Achilles

    Would the United States have been better off if it had banned Jewish immigration sometime in the late 19th century
     
    And then we continued to ban Jewish immigration thereafter?

    It would mean an enormous difference for America.

    Imagine a communist movement in the US that was of only negligible importance.

    Imagine university faculty not ranged in hostility against America, whites and Christianity. Cultural marxist movements would have had far less influence in the US.

    Imagine a Hollywood that was not consumed with hatred of traditional America and white gentiles.

    Imagine no Alinsky. And no New Left - the leadership of the New Left was dominated by Jews. The social upheavals of the 1960s would have been far different and a lot less damaging to American society.

    No NAACP - the Jewish effort to supplant the Black Christian church as the political leadership of blacks would never have happened. Race relations in the US would be much better off without the Jewish-dominated media constantly pushing narratives such as Ferguson, Trayvon, Freddie Gray, etc. for the purpose of inciting hatred against whites and stoking racial discord.

    No 1965 immigration act - instead of increasing balkanization, tribalism and Third World populations, there would be much greater assimilation and unity.

    Imagine what schools curricula would be like without the influence of Howard Zinn and other Jews pushing anti-American themes in the schools.

    The victories of the radical left in constitutional law, feminism, environmentalism and many other areas would be greatly reduced.

    And on and on. Really, the influence of Jews is so large in so many areas of American society it's hard to imagine what the US would be like today without the wave of Eastern European Jews and their concomitant social radicalism, anti-Americanism and grievance agenda against white gentiles.

    Indeed–it’s not hard to imagine America as a genuine Shining City on a Hill.

    If only.

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  99. @anon
    I wondee what the Bret Stephenses of the world think is going to happen once America is majority non-white. Does he think all the Haitians and Salvadoreans are going to keep paying for his favorite country? I really don't think so.

    And then what are they going to do?

    That's the one satisfying part of that possible future.

    Haitians and Salvadoreans aren’t going to be driving policy, even if we admit another 20 million of them. Even if they vote–they can only choose from the candidates ‘we’ supply.

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    Eventually, yes they will. There are enough Somalis in Minnesota that they have their own representatives in Congress. Did you ever think that was going to happen?
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  100. @Antlitz Grollheim
    Well spotted! I agree. It is a royalty-free stock photo which doesn't say where the immigrants are from.

    http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/atlantic-crossing-steamship.html

    What chutzpah!

    Just more New York Times = Fake News. Nothing to see here, really.

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  101. @Anonymous
    "But, overall, it strikes me as nuts to feel that the most important consideration in shaping immigration policy in 2018 was what was good for your ancestors in 1900."

    I'm not sure if its even what was good for our ancestors. Sure we'd probably have a few less things (though European man has been pretty spectacular at creativity and innovation, so it's doubtful it would be that drastic), but what have we gotten in return? The 1965 immigration bill, the current dispossession of our country, genocide and scapegoating our people? If the choice is living in Mayberry or in what is shaping up to be something like South Africa, I'm choosing Mayberry.

    Speaking of the 1965 immigration act, which synagogue did Ted Kennedy attend? Who was his rabbi?

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    His synagogue was Temple Hart-Celler and his rabbi was named Bernard Kopechne.

    Next question?

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  102. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    Unfortunately, people get tired of SJWs jumping down their throats. I've been friends for years with a musician who still lives in NYC, but he is so left-wing that I just don't bring up anything anymore. I love the guy, he's awesome as a creative force, but I just got tired of listening to him rant.
    Mind you, he is half-Episcopalian and half-Presbyterian, and I'm a devout Catholic, so we can expect to disagree on a number of things, but the pressure on Jews by other Jews must be exponentially worse. How many people probably lied to exit pollsters or their neighbors: "Of COURSE we voted for Hillary." And secretly sighed with relief when she didn't win.
    Decades ago, one journalist said she couldn't imagine how someone (Reagan I think) could have won an election: "No one *I* know voted for him!" So probably, her most of her friends fit a particular voting block, but it's also probable that some of them flat-out LIED.

    but the pressure on Jews by other Jews must be exponentially worse.

    Right, and do you know why it’s so much worse? Because the percentage of them that are staunch Democrats is so much higher.

    Why would the pressure on them be exponentially worse, if there really was this “silent majority” that’s against destroying America?

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    Peer pressure.
    My musician friend doesn't assume I'm going to agree with him.
    Actually, I wonder how many people in many supposedly liberal enclaves--academia, the performing arts--secretly vote conservative, terrified that Someone will find out and destroy their careers, when the people they're worried about may be doing the same thing.
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  103. @Rosamond Vincy
    I suspect there's a new kind of Silent Majority. My (nice Jewish) doctor told me he was voting Trump, and admitted (after I said it first) that he was concerned about immigration, particularly after incidents in Europe.

    Avoid the anesthesia if I were you..

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    Is it safe?
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    He's not that kind of Dr.
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  104. America and the whole world would’ve been far better off had we banned the Jews in the 1800s.

    Shoulda woulda coulda

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  105. Hey, Bret Stephens’ idea might just become a thing. Circulating at Amazon:

    Amazon Studios
    Office of the CEO

    Memorandum to: Strategy; Programming; Legal

    The New York Times has broached a fascinating question of alternate history: What if the great wave of Jewish immigration from Europe to the United States that began in the 19th Century had never happened?

    Folks, I want ideas, storylines and characters for a new alternate history series based on this concept. What would America be like today under these conditions?

    For example, without Jews, would Americans today be able to feed and clothe themselves? How would they manage those tasks? What about running water and sewage systems? Would that be beyond their reach without Jews? Would there be money or would it be a barter economy?

    And what about intellectual life? Would there be books in America today? Would there be comedy? Music? Perhaps they still would have come up with something like “Dueling Banjos” on their own.

    Let’s get right on this. This could be our next Man In the High Castle!

    Legal, do we need a release from NYT? Get back to me ASAP.

    A.C.

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    Haha, Achilles, you had me until about the end of paragraph 3!

    Speaking of the Legal department, just in case Bezos gets a gander at iSteve, you'd better sell all your shit right now, Be like those youtube guys: "I OWN NOTHING! DON'T SUE ME!""

    Yes, America would have always have had Dueling Banjos. So, there's that.

    About this Bret Stephens - talk about your genetic deficiencies ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsC4kf6x_Q0
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  106. @istevefan

    Today, American Jews are widely considered the model minority, so thoroughly assimilated that organizational Jewish energies are now largely devoted to protecting our religious and cultural distinctiveness.
     
    I hear this a lot,that Jews are thoroughly assimilated. However, is this true? If you judge assimilation by wealth, success and power, then I suppose this is correct. But I don't think that is what assimilation means. In fact I don't think that is what Jews think assimilation means. Because Jews fear assimilation. And if assimilation is simply wealth accumulation, success and power, what is there to fear?

    No assimilation is something else. It is the absorption of your group into the whole. It is the loss of your distinctiveness and culture. This does not describe Jews. It is the complete opposite. It's why Stephens writes, " ...organizational Jewish energies are now largely devoted to protecting our religious and cultural distinctiveness."

    Thoroughly assimilated groups would be like the Germans and various other Europeans who have no clue where they came from, don't speak one word of their formerly native tongue, nor have much recollection of their past culture, or even care for that matter.

    There might be some remaining enclaves of white ethnics that still cling to their past. Perhaps the Cajuns of Louisiana might come to mind, or maybe some Greeks in some place like Astoria, NY. But for the most part, various European Americans have been absorbed into the whole and most of us of European descent are English-speaking, thoroughly-mixed, Euro-mutts who at present don't even think of ourselves as a group with common interests. (Note: the thought of us ever coming together politically scares the hell out of our betters.)

    “There might be some remaining enclaves of white ethnics that still cling to their past. Perhaps the Cajuns of Louisiana might come to mind, or maybe some Greeks in some place like Astoria, NY. But for the most part, various European Americans have been absorbed into the whole and most of us of European descent are English-speaking, thoroughly-mixed, Euro-mutts who at present don’t even think of ourselves as a group with common interests. (Note: the thought of us ever coming together politically scares the hell out of our betters.)”

    I’ve never met a Jew in 21st Century America who was not fluent in English.

    “No assimilation is something else. It is the absorption of your group into the whole. It is the loss of your distinctiveness and culture.”

    The loss off distinctiveness and culture? You must have never step foot in an Italian enclave in the Tri-State area or been to The Feast Of San Gennaro or a Columbus Day Parade.

    There are definitely clear cultural differences between New York Italians and North Dakota WASPs for example.

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    @104 Jefferson: "I’ve never met a Jew in 21st Century America who was not fluent in English."

    And you, of course, know all the most representative Jews. There are tens of thousands of Haredi Jews who live, dress, speak, worship, and believe like their shtetl ancestors in 17th and 18th century Poland. They all speak Yiddish exclusively at home and most of their children know little to nothing about American history or the rest of Western civilization. What English they have is akin to English as a foreign language - and these people breed prolifically - and the goyim get to pay to support them all via welfare and fraud.

    "The loss off distinctiveness and culture? You must have never step foot in an Italian enclave in the Tri-State area or been to The Feast Of San Gennaro or a Columbus Day Parade."

    Yeah, I guess you weren't around the other day when I noted that more than a few Italian Americans had never moved beyond the hyphenation stage. And no, I was not saying that in an admiring tone.
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  107. @Len
    'Fareed Zakaria GPS', last Sunday, with Ed Miliband and Mark Krikorian:

    Zakaria: ...The broader point, it seems to me is that seems human talent is sprinkled equally throughout the globe....

    Miliband: ...Obviously, you're, I think, right to say talent is sprinkled more generally...

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  108. Stephens digging a foxhole on the hill of “Haitians = Jews” is baffling stupid. Remember when Jews turned a tropical, verdant paradise next to a friendly superpower into a barren, wasteland with open sewage running through the streets?

    It is simply insane he cannot grasp that these people are incapable of contributing to an advanced society. I bet he probably doesn’t even know any Haitians personally.

    This is why it’s best to look at liberalism through the guise of a strict religious order.

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    This is why it’s best to look at liberalism through the guise of a strict religious order.
     
    ... or a mental illness, one. It's six and a half dozen or the other thing....
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  109. @syonredux

    Someone might ask Jeff Sessions and other eternal bigots what makes an El Salvadoran, Iranian or Haitian any different.
     
    I'm sure that Jeff Sessions knows the answer to that one, but I don't think that he would be willing to say it out loud in a public forum.

    But, thanks to internet anonymity, I'll answer for him: IQ.

    Well, it is a little more nuanced than that. Because the mullahs insanely decided to launch a Cultural Revolution style purge against the scientific sector in Iran (one of the most advanced in the developing world under the Shah, especially with female scientists), a lot of high-IQ, largely secular Persian geeks ended up the US, carrying a severe aversion to anything smacking of religious politics in general and Islamic politics in particular with them. As a result, Iranian-Americans are omnipresent in high horsepower tech and science.

    Salvadoran Americans, on the other hand, are largely the descendants of semi-literate or illiterate indios who fled the country during the vicious civil war of the 1980s-which the Reagan Administration helped fuel, an ironic twist if you take in the ’86 amnesty. The Mexicans didn’t want them-last thing they need, given the fragile socioeconomic structure of Mexico, is more pressure at the bottom of the ladder, so they ended up in greater Washington DC and Los Angeles in droves. And they cause problems. Lots of problems. And they’ve been pushed out into the suburbs by gentrification by the Goodwhites, causing the local schools and police departments in northern Virginia and southern Maryland problems.

    I’m not suggesting that there aren’t IQ differences between races, to be sure, or disagreeing with your point. I just think the racial background, per se, doesn’t matter as much as the specific background of the migrant. I think this tends to get lost on many people who believe all Chinese are intrinsically geniuses or something like that: when you have billions of people, like in China or India or Africa, you’ll have tons of retards and tons of brilliant people, no matter what the average is, and the people who end up in America have traditionally been rather self-selected. (Though, these days, there are plenty of decidedly non-brilliant working class Chinese in places like Flushing. It was interesting to see that, because in Deep Southern or Midwestern towns, many full-blooded Asians you met were the children of professors. Wonder if there was a similar dynamic for Jews many decades ago.)

    As for the Haitians, I can’t speak for them, but the ironic thing is, actual African migrants tend to do much better than African-Americans in just about any metric you can think of. I know that’s not saying much, but the only group in the UK that outstrips the Chinese in academic performance are the Igbos, who ended up in the UK en masse after the Biafran war in the late 1960s. However, you need to look carefully at the type of people who are migrating: who can afford to leave Africa or Haiti and start all over? Chances are, somebody with skills. And chances are, if you don’t have skills and are looking for a genuine new life rather than the chance to mooch off welfare, you’ll push your children hard to develop them and get a better life than you can have. On the other hand, you have the Somalis, who cause trouble no matter whether they end up in Italy, Israel, or Minnesota. Is that due to intrinsic factors, like culture, or due to the quality of the migrant? Probably a complex mixture of both. Fascinating thing to study.

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    Somehow I get the feeling that you live in a place without too many third-world immigrants. And BTW, not aimed at you but generally--many seem to forget that if a nation's median IQ is 67, then half of its people.........
    , @syonredux

    However, you need to look carefully at the type of people who are migrating: who can afford to leave Africa or Haiti and start all over? Chances are, somebody with skills
     
    I'm pretty sure that we would see a mass exodus of Haitians to the USA if immigration controls were dropped. Cf Puerto Rico, which has a huge diaspora in the USA....and Puerto Rico is, by Caribbean standards, a fairly decent place, certainly better than Haiti.
    , @Anon
    It is an interesting thing to study. It is also irrelevant, and this is because this ignores what is good for the locals themselves as a whole. What happens when a bunch of Iranians or Africans arrive who are legitimately intelligent? They take all the available positions due to policies like affirmatice action or minority lending programs. Then what happens to the intelligent people of European descent? Heroin.

    After that the Europeans don't have kids, which is effectively death and displacement.
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  110. @Dave Pinsen
    He still has good opinions on immigration, but I don't get his anti-Trump animus, especially since they share the same #1 issue. We follow each other on Twitter, but I had to mute him a while back as the anti-Trump stuff was just incessant.

    I never liked Frum because of what he did to Buchanan and company during the Iraq Attack. I noticed some folks sort of forgave him when he came out against open borders. But for him to continually attack Trump, the one guy who finally has a chance to do something about immigration, shows he is either dumb (which I doubt) or immigration is not really that big of a deal to him.

    Ann Coulter tweeted two and one-half years ago,”I don’t care if Donald Trump wants to perform abortions in White House after his immigration policy paper.” If one really believes immigration is an existential issue, then one must support Trump so long as he does what he promised.

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    I personally would love it if Trump ditched the pro-life crowd (thus spoketh Dubya: "human rights don't stop at the Rio Grand...") and began offering subsidies, arms transfers, whatever it takes to any African government willing to push mass birth control/family planning programs, but that's just me. What will the white evangelicals end up doing? They aren't going to go for the Democratic Party of 2020, that's for sure. And that's before we begin supporting the right of Central American migrant women to control their own reproductive capacities by building abortion clinics in the inner city... and Democrats will have an interesting explanation as to why they are against oppressed women's rights.

    I just don't buy the idea that Trump is at all a true believer in the vein of Dubya. The man is an NYC playboy billionaire with three wives, run-ins with porn stars, and an acceptable relationship with the local LGBT community. Then there's Studio 54.

    , @Art Deco
    I never liked Frum because of what he did to Buchanan and company during the Iraq Attack.

    Aye, he called attention to the 70% loss in circulation Chronicles suffered when Thomas Fleming elected to turn the Rockford Institute into the Slobodan Milosevic Press Agency.
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  111. @Rosamond Vincy
    Unfortunately, people get tired of SJWs jumping down their throats. I've been friends for years with a musician who still lives in NYC, but he is so left-wing that I just don't bring up anything anymore. I love the guy, he's awesome as a creative force, but I just got tired of listening to him rant.
    Mind you, he is half-Episcopalian and half-Presbyterian, and I'm a devout Catholic, so we can expect to disagree on a number of things, but the pressure on Jews by other Jews must be exponentially worse. How many people probably lied to exit pollsters or their neighbors: "Of COURSE we voted for Hillary." And secretly sighed with relief when she didn't win.
    Decades ago, one journalist said she couldn't imagine how someone (Reagan I think) could have won an election: "No one *I* know voted for him!" So probably, her most of her friends fit a particular voting block, but it's also probable that some of them flat-out LIED.

    It was Nixon and Pauline Kael. And her story is actually quite plausible, given the Domitian-esque relations between Nixon and the intellectual/professional classes of the US.

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    Your invocation of Domitian has me dreamily thinking "what if?"
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Nixon is looking better and better in hindsight.
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  112. @syonredux

    A Modest Immigration Proposal: Ban Jews
     
    Well, that would mean that we wouldn't have to read crap articles by Jewish journos about how immigrants from Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East are just like the steerage-class passengers who came through Ellis Island a century ago.....That would be something of a net positive...

    I actually made the argument in a comment that he was mostly going to feed antisemitism with this argument. Unsurprisingly, the NYT ate it. ;)

    Read through the comments–the Ellis Island schmaltz is very much alive!

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    I don't read the NYT or especially its comments and my resting BP is 122/80.

    Just sayin' as they say...
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  113. @Jefferson
    Does Bret Stephens really believe Jewish immigrants are 100% comparable with Haitian immigrants? In Haiti people eat cookies that are made out of mud and sand because that's how extremely poor they are. Were Jews in Germany, Russia, Poland, Ukraine, etc eating sand mud cookies? No they weren't. Not even Mexicans eat sand mud cookies let alone Jews and Mexicans are a lot less affluent than Jews. It's apples and oranges. Apples and apples would be comparing Somali immigrants with Haitian immigrants.

    Silly question. Stephens is a Jew. He knows that Jews are The Chosen People. His point is that all other peoples are the same because they are not God’s Chosen Race.

    And that means Jews should set all standards and decide all things.

    And here’s the kicker that keeps me entertained when I read the useful idiots at VDARE and such sites: it was a given that Jews eventually would make themselves senior partner masters of the Anglosphere because WASP culture was born of a Judaizing heresy: Anglo-Saxon Puritanism.

    Judaizing heresy must necessarily produce pro-Jewish politics and then base culture, the cultural vantage that reigns over nations so that people do things without having to think – instinct culture.

    WASP culture was so thoroughly polluted almost immediately with its grabbing national power with regicide that Oliver Cromwell, that perfect epitome of the WASP, made the deal with Jews, taking Jewish money and allowing Jews back into England legally – and the deal was made in order to have the money to continue waging warn against the vast majority of white Christians native the British Isles.

    From its birth, WASP culture has been allied with Jews against the vast majority of white Christians native to the British Isles. And then there is the rest of what once was Christendom.

    The British Empire spread that culture globally.

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  114. @istevefan
    I never liked Frum because of what he did to Buchanan and company during the Iraq Attack. I noticed some folks sort of forgave him when he came out against open borders. But for him to continually attack Trump, the one guy who finally has a chance to do something about immigration, shows he is either dumb (which I doubt) or immigration is not really that big of a deal to him.

    Ann Coulter tweeted two and one-half years ago,"I don't care if Donald Trump wants to perform abortions in White House after his immigration policy paper." If one really believes immigration is an existential issue, then one must support Trump so long as he does what he promised.

    I personally would love it if Trump ditched the pro-life crowd (thus spoketh Dubya: “human rights don’t stop at the Rio Grand…”) and began offering subsidies, arms transfers, whatever it takes to any African government willing to push mass birth control/family planning programs, but that’s just me. What will the white evangelicals end up doing? They aren’t going to go for the Democratic Party of 2020, that’s for sure. And that’s before we begin supporting the right of Central American migrant women to control their own reproductive capacities by building abortion clinics in the inner city… and Democrats will have an interesting explanation as to why they are against oppressed women’s rights.

    I just don’t buy the idea that Trump is at all a true believer in the vein of Dubya. The man is an NYC playboy billionaire with three wives, run-ins with porn stars, and an acceptable relationship with the local LGBT community. Then there’s Studio 54.

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    I personally would love it if Trump ditched the pro-life crowd

    Well, he's shrewder than you are, so that isn't happening.
    , @Jefferson
    Donald Trump never claimed to be a Conservative on social issues, but he respects the culture & traditions of Evangelicals and does not see them as backwards White trash like the Left does, which is why they have a mutual respect for each other.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe

    I personally would love it if Trump ditched the pro-life crowd...
     
    Personally I think it would suck, if he did something that would pointlessly throw away his chances in the 2020 re-election battle. Which is precisely what would happen, if he ditched the pro-life crowd. I'm not sure how someone can not realize that, but whatever.
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  115. @Dave Pinsen
    He still has good opinions on immigration, but I don't get his anti-Trump animus, especially since they share the same #1 issue. We follow each other on Twitter, but I had to mute him a while back as the anti-Trump stuff was just incessant.

    If immigration isn’t his #1 issue, he might oppose Trump despite Trump doing what he wants on that one issue. (Remember, Richard Spencer supports universal healthcare.) He actually seems to have some legitimate concerns about corruption, but I’m more concerned about immigration, so I voted for Trump.

    Frum might figure Trump is going to create a huge backlash once out of office that will swamp any small gains (and I had this worry myself), but I think I’m giving the guy way too much credit with that one. And I’m still pissed over the Iraq war.

    Not that I haven’t seen these guys playing complicated games with their actual opinions–David Auerbach of Slate gave a complicated description of techies’ disgust with PC while claiming it wasn’t his actual views, and then was found to have leaked information on feminists to Milo Yiannopoulos. Maybe he thinks denouncing Trump is the price of being able to criticize immigration from the pages of the Atlantic (which actually does have the possibility of changing a few minds the National Review or Unz won’t). So, who knows?

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  116. @Jefferson
    So Bret Stephens being a Jewish Person Of Color would racially stick out like a sore thumb in that picture?

    A fair number of Jews don’t look Jewish, but a bunch of Northern European looking people are not that likely to be a bunch of non-Jewish looking Jews.

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    The only thing I can tell from that grainy not very clear picture is that the people are neither African nor Asian for example. Skin color wise Jews are the same color as those people in the picture.
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  117. @syonredux

    Yet imagine if the United States had followed the advice of the immigration restrictionists in the late 19th century and banned Jewish immigrants, at least from Central Europe and Russia, on what they perceived to be some genetic inferiority. What, in terms of enterprise, genius, imagination, and philanthropy would have been lost to America as a country?
     
    The more pertinent question: If we don't allow in Haitians, what, in terms of enterprise, genius, imagination, and philanthropy will be lost to America as a country?

    My guess? Not much.

    Additionally, people need to look at the other side of the equation. If we take in the best and brightest from Haiti and other s-holes, how will they ever be able to stop being s-holes?

    I am really surprised this issue is not being picked up by the SJWs. After all they readily denounce colonialism’s past history of resource extraction of poor nation’s potential wealth. Yet they remain quiet on the modern issue of human resource extraction that probably harms poor nations more.

    The only reason I can imagine for why SJWs are quiet on this issue is because their number one priority is the punishment and ultimate destruction of European nations, or at least the destruction of how they are presently comprised. There is no other explanation if they truly cared for those unfortunate nations and the 96% plus of the populations that must remain in those s-holes while the gifted ones flee.

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    The first city in Russia to have female suffrage and universal education and all that jazz was a Siberian outpost, because that's where the Decembrists were sent in lieu of execution. Bad governments love emigration because it releases the critical pressure necessary to improve societies. You would think this would sound familiar to progressives.
    , @Taney's Ghost

    If we take in the best and brightest from Haiti and other s-holes, how will they ever be able to stop being s-holes?

    I am really surprised this issue is not being picked up by the SJWs.
     
    They will never pick up this issue because they will never acknowledge that some people are more capable than others
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  118. @George
    Thinking about the Chinese exclusion act, what opportunities were lost because of it? What benefits were gained? California seemed to do rather well without unrestricted Asian immigration.

    Jews were restricted after the 1924 immigration act, along with other immigrants, causing some hardship for Jews trying to escape Europe. But what opportunities were lost by the 1924 immigration act?

    “Thinking about the Chinese exclusion act, what opportunities were lost because of it? What benefits were gained? California seemed to do rather well without unrestricted Asian immigration.”

    California now has a higher poverty rate than Mississippi, but that is because of Hispanic immigration, not Asian immigration. Asians are killing it in the tech field while Hispanics are killing it in the EBT cards field. Donald Trump is right Mexico is not sending us their best, but India and China certainly are.

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  119. @istevefan

    Today, American Jews are widely considered the model minority, so thoroughly assimilated that organizational Jewish energies are now largely devoted to protecting our religious and cultural distinctiveness.
     
    I hear this a lot,that Jews are thoroughly assimilated. However, is this true? If you judge assimilation by wealth, success and power, then I suppose this is correct. But I don't think that is what assimilation means. In fact I don't think that is what Jews think assimilation means. Because Jews fear assimilation. And if assimilation is simply wealth accumulation, success and power, what is there to fear?

    No assimilation is something else. It is the absorption of your group into the whole. It is the loss of your distinctiveness and culture. This does not describe Jews. It is the complete opposite. It's why Stephens writes, " ...organizational Jewish energies are now largely devoted to protecting our religious and cultural distinctiveness."

    Thoroughly assimilated groups would be like the Germans and various other Europeans who have no clue where they came from, don't speak one word of their formerly native tongue, nor have much recollection of their past culture, or even care for that matter.

    There might be some remaining enclaves of white ethnics that still cling to their past. Perhaps the Cajuns of Louisiana might come to mind, or maybe some Greeks in some place like Astoria, NY. But for the most part, various European Americans have been absorbed into the whole and most of us of European descent are English-speaking, thoroughly-mixed, Euro-mutts who at present don't even think of ourselves as a group with common interests. (Note: the thought of us ever coming together politically scares the hell out of our betters.)

    A 50%+ intermarriage rate hardly indicates a lack of assimilation.

    Unfortunately, they assimilate into the left half of the American elite, and give it (a) greater intellectual firepower and (b) particular preoccupations with race which are very bad.

    I suspect the fraction of the Jewish population that sympathizes with mainstream America simply marries goyim, leaves the tribe, and keeps their mouths shut.

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    "A 50%+ intermarriage rate hardly indicates a lack of assimilation."

    Most Millennial Jews don't have 2 Jewish parents.

    You can not say the same thing about Hispanic, African American, and Asian Millennials.

    Most Hispanic Millennials have 2 Hispanic parents, most Asian Millennials have 2 Asian parents, and most African American Millennials have 2 African American parents which is why most African American Millennials are not High Yellas and still have a Chocolate complexion.

    , @istevefan

    A 50%+ intermarriage rate hardly indicates a lack of assimilation.
     
    That is a good point, but let's drill down a bit. First, by intermarriage I assume you mean an Ashkenazi to a white gentile. If so, what is the concern? By definition Ashkenazis came into being by intermarriage with white gentiles in the first place. Did Jewish leaders 1900 years ago lament all the intermarriage between Jewish men in Rome and the locals? So long as the women became Jews and the kids were raised Jews, I don't think they saw this as a problem. So why would this be a problem today? So long as the intermarriage is along the lines of Ivanka Trump and not Barry Goldwater's parents, I don't see why this is a problem.

    Second, gentile whites in America must have close to a 90 percent intermarriage rate if you just consider one Euro ethnic group marrying a different one. I myself probably have about 5 different Euro ethnicities and maybe more. Gentile whites have intermarried with one another in the USA so much that we don't even call it intermarriage whenever they marry.

    Third, Jews are still listed at about 2 percent of the population. Isn't that pretty consistent with what they have been for quite some time? If so that would tend to indicate that the intermarriages with white gentiles tend to produce folks who identify as Jews. Whether or not they are religious is another question. But it appears that the proportion of Jews in America has remained level at 2 percent. Meanwhile the proportion of white gentiles has dropped from around 86 percent to the mid 60s, or almost by 25%. If the Jewish proportion, or black, or any group besides whites dropped by such an amount, the media would treat it as a tragedy.
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  120. @Hibernian
    A fair number of Jews don't look Jewish, but a bunch of Northern European looking people are not that likely to be a bunch of non-Jewish looking Jews.

    The only thing I can tell from that grainy not very clear picture is that the people are neither African nor Asian for example. Skin color wise Jews are the same color as those people in the picture.

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  121. @nebulafox
    It was Nixon and Pauline Kael. And her story is actually quite plausible, given the Domitian-esque relations between Nixon and the intellectual/professional classes of the US.

    Your invocation of Domitian has me dreamily thinking “what if?”

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    Domitian didn't have children, but he did have a knack for seeing talent-and loyalty-when he knew it with General Trajan. Domitian was eternally grateful for his vital role in putting down the Saturnitus revolt. So, I don't think the imperial lineup would have changed that much if he had lived, just no Nerva, assuming Trajan lives long enough to take the purple. I don't recall exactly, but they were about the same age.

    Though I should mention that Domitian was really the first emperor to open up the civil service and related professions to talented equestrians and provincials-and to crack down on the practice of giving high positions to people on the basis of family connections, even within his own family. This, among other anti-corruption measures, had as much to do with Senatorial hatred of the man as his flagrantly authoritarian rule and Julio-Claudian style political purges. Obviously, without that, the Spain-born (highly assimilated and perhaps partially Italian, but that didn't matter for the snobbish Roman aristocrats until Trajan proved that he was *optimus*-and proved to have far better political/personal skills than Domitian) Trajan has a much harder time ascending to the throne.

    (Oh, wait: I only just realized that you might have been referring to the purges. Clumsy, literal minded me. I should point out that while they were real, they were no where on the scale that Rome's senatorial class would have you believe. Domitian was more or less on part with Claudius in the number of executions-solidly middle of pack among 1st century emperors. I think it felt worse than it was at the time because Vespasian and Titus completely abhorred the treason trials and banned them.)

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  122. @Anonymous
    Avoid the anesthesia if I were you..

    Is it safe?

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    Ooh I didn't think of that. Avoid the doctor entirely, then.
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  123. @SFG
    I actually made the argument in a comment that he was mostly going to feed antisemitism with this argument. Unsurprisingly, the NYT ate it. ;)

    Read through the comments--the Ellis Island schmaltz is very much alive!

    I don’t read the NYT or especially its comments and my resting BP is 122/80.

    Just sayin’ as they say…

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  124. @nebulafox
    It was Nixon and Pauline Kael. And her story is actually quite plausible, given the Domitian-esque relations between Nixon and the intellectual/professional classes of the US.

    Nixon is looking better and better in hindsight.

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    I see Nixon as essentially a modern version of Domitian. Both men were quite competent leaders who laid the foundations for the peak of power under their successors. But they had an absolutely horrendous relationship with the people who wrote the history-and had personalities that were highly, highly unsuited to politics (neither man seemed to intuitively understand or like social interactions) which insured paranoia and abuse of power. Both men were unapologetically authoritarian by nature, profoundly socially conservative (ensuring a bad relationship with Christians and hippies/New Left types, respectively) and not fighters for justice in the sense of Marius/Caesar or FDR, but also highly pro-meritocratic, seeing the middle class as the true guardian of national values against a decadent and corrupt elite. Both men had a very realpolitik style of foreign policy in a political culture that was highly hostile to it. I could go on for quite some time.

    (Nixon, for what it is worth, saw himself as a modern Disraeli. Personality-wise, Nixon could hardly have been more different from the slick, dandy-ish Disraeli, but politically and socially, the comparison is quite apropos. Both men were seen-in part because they did deserve it to some degree-as unprincipled slimeballs. That said, there was also a strong class hostility to both men. Disraeli, as a Sephardic Jew in Victorian England, always knew he was never quite "respectable"... Henry Kissinger, meanwhile, idolized Bismarck, the only man who could at all compete with Disraeli in late 19th Century political brilliance.)

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  125. @istevefan
    Additionally, people need to look at the other side of the equation. If we take in the best and brightest from Haiti and other s-holes, how will they ever be able to stop being s-holes?

    I am really surprised this issue is not being picked up by the SJWs. After all they readily denounce colonialism's past history of resource extraction of poor nation's potential wealth. Yet they remain quiet on the modern issue of human resource extraction that probably harms poor nations more.

    The only reason I can imagine for why SJWs are quiet on this issue is because their number one priority is the punishment and ultimate destruction of European nations, or at least the destruction of how they are presently comprised. There is no other explanation if they truly cared for those unfortunate nations and the 96% plus of the populations that must remain in those s-holes while the gifted ones flee.

    The first city in Russia to have female suffrage and universal education and all that jazz was a Siberian outpost, because that’s where the Decembrists were sent in lieu of execution. Bad governments love emigration because it releases the critical pressure necessary to improve societies. You would think this would sound familiar to progressives.

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    Bad governments love emigration because it releases the critical pressure necessary to improve societies. You would think this would sound familiar to progressives.
     
    That's a good point, but our progressives have already created a euphemism to ignore it. They call the USA a "pressure relief valve" especially in regards to Mexico, and act as if we are helping to avoid social upheaval by taking in their surplus population.

    In reality you are probably correct. By taking in their surplus we are allowing their leaders to kick the can down road.
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  126. @anon
    How much you want to bet that middle-class Jews in suburbia (as opposed to Manhattan NYT readers) quietly wish that Stephens would just shut the @#$& up?

    I'd bet about $0.00.

    Just look at how they vote.

    There is this site called Breitbart. Some of you might have heard of it.

    Seriously Trump got a pretty awful (though actually typical for Republicans) 21-24% of the Jewish vote, with the only demographic slice going majority for Trump being married Jewish men. Apparently according to the NYT he lost 6-8 points among most groups, with the lowest decline among Jews, probably because the second Holocaust never happened.

    Apparently the Orthodox like him better and have more kids, but by the time the Jewish population is majority Republican we’ll look like Brazil.

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    "...Trump got a pretty awful (though actually typical for Republicans) 21-24% of the Jewish vote, with the only demographic slice going majority for Trump being married Jewish men."
     
    I wonder how often the GOP has carried even the married male Jewish vote, during U.S. Presidential elections? Has it ever happened before 2016? My guess is, it happened in 1980, but I suspect that was the only other instance of it having occurred.
    , @Jack D

    going majority for Trump being married Jewish men
     
    I think you are burying the lede here. Do you got that folks? Folks who think that the Jews are all a bunch of Cultural Marxists? MARRIED JEWISH MEN VOTED MAJORITY FOR TRUMP

    Some of y'all seem to have problems with Jews across the board, but you are focusing your anger on the wrong people. Lesbian Jewish feminists - yes. Gay Jewish libertines - yes. But married Jewish men have pretty much the same concerns and view as other white men - they want America to be preserved for their children and grandchildren.
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  127. @SFG
    Is it safe?

    Ooh I didn’t think of that. Avoid the doctor entirely, then.

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  128. @Jefferson
    A whopping 80% of Evangelicals voted for Donald Trump, so I doubt very much most Evangelicals will side with Bret Stephens on immigration.

    They might be more likely to agree with Stephens on immigration than other groups who voted for Trump.

    They voted 80 percent for Trump because he is a Republican. They would have voted 80 percent for any other dude up there too, aside from perhaps Rand Paul because he doesn’t love Israel enough. I don’t think they care that much about immigration one way or the other.

    Evangelicals, especially those who go to megachurches are the largest base of support for neo-cons; after all they were at a cultural high point in terms of influence and recruits during the Bush era. The neo-con shtick would get a lot less attention without mainstream evangelicals behind them.

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    "They voted 80 percent for Trump because he is a Republican. They would have voted 80 percent for any other dude up there too, aside from perhaps Rand Paul because he doesn’t love Israel enough. I don’t think they care that much about immigration one way or the other"

    Evangelicals could have sat out the election like the Mormons did, but they didn't they still came out and voted for Donald Trump in record numbers.

    I doubt even the Alt-Right voted anywhere close to 80% for Donald Trump. A lot of the Alt-Right have the same mentality as Christopher Cantwell in that they hate Donald Trump for letting his daughter marry a Jew.

    Donald Trump's most loyal supporters are Evangelicals not the Alt-Right. The Alt-Right would prefer to see Ron Paul over Donald Trump as POTUS by a huge landslide.
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  129. @SFG
    A 50%+ intermarriage rate hardly indicates a lack of assimilation.

    Unfortunately, they assimilate into the left half of the American elite, and give it (a) greater intellectual firepower and (b) particular preoccupations with race which are very bad.

    I suspect the fraction of the Jewish population that sympathizes with mainstream America simply marries goyim, leaves the tribe, and keeps their mouths shut.

    “A 50%+ intermarriage rate hardly indicates a lack of assimilation.”

    Most Millennial Jews don’t have 2 Jewish parents.

    You can not say the same thing about Hispanic, African American, and Asian Millennials.

    Most Hispanic Millennials have 2 Hispanic parents, most Asian Millennials have 2 Asian parents, and most African American Millennials have 2 African American parents which is why most African American Millennials are not High Yellas and still have a Chocolate complexion.

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    Where have you been? I have missed your very unique, autistic writing style.
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  130. @istevefan

    Today, American Jews are widely considered the model minority, so thoroughly assimilated that organizational Jewish energies are now largely devoted to protecting our religious and cultural distinctiveness.
     
    I hear this a lot,that Jews are thoroughly assimilated. However, is this true? If you judge assimilation by wealth, success and power, then I suppose this is correct. But I don't think that is what assimilation means. In fact I don't think that is what Jews think assimilation means. Because Jews fear assimilation. And if assimilation is simply wealth accumulation, success and power, what is there to fear?

    No assimilation is something else. It is the absorption of your group into the whole. It is the loss of your distinctiveness and culture. This does not describe Jews. It is the complete opposite. It's why Stephens writes, " ...organizational Jewish energies are now largely devoted to protecting our religious and cultural distinctiveness."

    Thoroughly assimilated groups would be like the Germans and various other Europeans who have no clue where they came from, don't speak one word of their formerly native tongue, nor have much recollection of their past culture, or even care for that matter.

    There might be some remaining enclaves of white ethnics that still cling to their past. Perhaps the Cajuns of Louisiana might come to mind, or maybe some Greeks in some place like Astoria, NY. But for the most part, various European Americans have been absorbed into the whole and most of us of European descent are English-speaking, thoroughly-mixed, Euro-mutts who at present don't even think of ourselves as a group with common interests. (Note: the thought of us ever coming together politically scares the hell out of our betters.)

    No assimilation is something else. It is the absorption of your group into the whole. It is the loss of your distinctiveness and culture. This does not describe Jews. It is the complete opposite. It’s why Stephens writes, ” …organizational Jewish energies are now largely devoted to protecting our religious and cultural distinctiveness.”

    Thoroughly assimilated groups would be like the Germans and various other Europeans who have no clue where they came from, don’t speak one word of their formerly native tongue, nor have much recollection of their past culture, or even care for that matter.

    Exactly. If they are assimilated nobody would be talking about Jews today. They wouldn’t even call themselves Jews. There wouldn’t be Jewish organizations everywhere, they wouldn’t constantly write about being Jewish, 80% of them wouldn’t be liberals who are pushing for open borders, identity politics, victim mentality, censorship and 19% of the remaining 20% wouldn’t be neocons pushing for war with the whole Muslim world and more open borders.

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  131. @Rosamond Vincy
    Nixon is looking better and better in hindsight.

    I see Nixon as essentially a modern version of Domitian. Both men were quite competent leaders who laid the foundations for the peak of power under their successors. But they had an absolutely horrendous relationship with the people who wrote the history-and had personalities that were highly, highly unsuited to politics (neither man seemed to intuitively understand or like social interactions) which insured paranoia and abuse of power. Both men were unapologetically authoritarian by nature, profoundly socially conservative (ensuring a bad relationship with Christians and hippies/New Left types, respectively) and not fighters for justice in the sense of Marius/Caesar or FDR, but also highly pro-meritocratic, seeing the middle class as the true guardian of national values against a decadent and corrupt elite. Both men had a very realpolitik style of foreign policy in a political culture that was highly hostile to it. I could go on for quite some time.

    (Nixon, for what it is worth, saw himself as a modern Disraeli. Personality-wise, Nixon could hardly have been more different from the slick, dandy-ish Disraeli, but politically and socially, the comparison is quite apropos. Both men were seen-in part because they did deserve it to some degree-as unprincipled slimeballs. That said, there was also a strong class hostility to both men. Disraeli, as a Sephardic Jew in Victorian England, always knew he was never quite “respectable”… Henry Kissinger, meanwhile, idolized Bismarck, the only man who could at all compete with Disraeli in late 19th Century political brilliance.)

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    That said, there was also a strong class hostility to both men.

    Well, Arthur Schlesinger once said that the nubbin of the 1960 election was 'Nixon lacks taste'. I suspect had you polled this nation's country club membership in 1968 and 1972, you'd discover that north of 3/4 of them cast ballots for Nixon.

    Garry Wills looked down on Nixon, but he earned his living looking down on the right people for an audience of journalists and faculty members, not an audience of corporation executives and rentiers.

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Nixon could handle the Soviets. They could never mess with him the way they did with Carter etc. *because* they knew he could be an unprincipled slimeball--if he chose. There wasn't anything they might pull he couldn't think of first.

    As for the Muslims, he never worshipped at the altar of foreign oil, as both the Clintons and the Bushes seem to have done. A frank Jew-hater in private life, he trusted Kissinger because he knew he was ideal for the job, and supported Israel because the Soviets were supporting the Arabs. The enemy of my enemy, etc.

    Realpolitik is the perfect term. Not a likable man, but highly competent and professional. And I believe he was right about the middle-class. The reduction of it, the increasing division of the population into peons and Plutocrats, is one of the reasons this country is in so much trouble.

    Interestingly, there are reports that Reagan was quietly consulting the retired and disgraced ex-president during his own terms--and he may not have been the only one.
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  132. @jcd1974

    Would the United States have been better off if it had banned Jewish immigration sometime in the late 19th century
     
    A guy can dream can't he?

    But let's phrase it another way: would Jews have been better off if the United States had banned Jewish immigration sometime in the late 19th century? The answer is obviously "no", since millions of them would have been murdered by the Nazis. Yet where's the gratitude? Instead of gratitude Stephens has nothing but contempt for the people who saved millions from Hitler's ovens.

    Don’t let Twitter’s Dave Pinsen see your post. He’ll have you know that Americans and Brits are the main reason Jews went cookin’ in the first place. Not that they actually did, or didn’t, mind you.

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  133. @J.Ross
    Do we need to recall the "Judea Declares War on Germany" headline?
    You will never hear any people but Jews boasting to each other about how many passports they have and how many more they can get if need be. Ostensibly this is to escape a new holocaust, but it just so happens to be very convenient for intelligence work. I'm sure that's just a coincidence, because it's not like Jews were ever caught using the passports of neutral countries to set up an assassination or anything.
    And it would be in line with Zionism to encourage Jews to go straight to Israel and resist the temptation to live in the American Babylon.
    We could call it "The Brett Stephens Act."

    You will never hear any people but Jews boasting to each other about how many passports they have and how many more they can get if need be.

    Actually, I’ve never heard and Jews ‘boasting’ about this and neither have you. (I did once hear an academic administrator say her children had a claim on citizenship in three countries, but the countries were Canada, Britian, and the U.S.).

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    I've never heard Jews not boasting about something, anything. Have you? Seriously?
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  134. @Len
    'Fareed Zakaria GPS', last Sunday, with Ed Miliband and Mark Krikorian:

    Zakaria: ...The broader point, it seems to me is that seems human talent is sprinkled equally throughout the globe....

    Miliband: ...Obviously, you're, I think, right to say talent is sprinkled more generally...

    Scott Adams called the Zakaria 'the smartest man on television'.

    I’ve run into this just lately. They actually believe that IQ is the same everywhere and among everyone. If you even hint at facts in opposition they bring out the death squads. And they F*ing love science!

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  135. @Jefferson
    Speaking of the 1965 immigration act, which synagogue did Ted Kennedy attend? Who was his rabbi?

    His synagogue was Temple Hart-Celler and his rabbi was named Bernard Kopechne.

    Next question?

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    Why did Ted Kennedy hate the WASPs so much?
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  136. @istevefan
    I never liked Frum because of what he did to Buchanan and company during the Iraq Attack. I noticed some folks sort of forgave him when he came out against open borders. But for him to continually attack Trump, the one guy who finally has a chance to do something about immigration, shows he is either dumb (which I doubt) or immigration is not really that big of a deal to him.

    Ann Coulter tweeted two and one-half years ago,"I don't care if Donald Trump wants to perform abortions in White House after his immigration policy paper." If one really believes immigration is an existential issue, then one must support Trump so long as he does what he promised.

    I never liked Frum because of what he did to Buchanan and company during the Iraq Attack.

    Aye, he called attention to the 70% loss in circulation Chronicles suffered when Thomas Fleming elected to turn the Rockford Institute into the Slobodan Milosevic Press Agency.

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    I was thinking more along the lines of his article, Unpatriotic Conservatives from March 2003
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  137. @nebulafox
    Well, it is a little more nuanced than that. Because the mullahs insanely decided to launch a Cultural Revolution style purge against the scientific sector in Iran (one of the most advanced in the developing world under the Shah, especially with female scientists), a lot of high-IQ, largely secular Persian geeks ended up the US, carrying a severe aversion to anything smacking of religious politics in general and Islamic politics in particular with them. As a result, Iranian-Americans are omnipresent in high horsepower tech and science.

    Salvadoran Americans, on the other hand, are largely the descendants of semi-literate or illiterate indios who fled the country during the vicious civil war of the 1980s-which the Reagan Administration helped fuel, an ironic twist if you take in the '86 amnesty. The Mexicans didn't want them-last thing they need, given the fragile socioeconomic structure of Mexico, is more pressure at the bottom of the ladder, so they ended up in greater Washington DC and Los Angeles in droves. And they cause problems. Lots of problems. And they've been pushed out into the suburbs by gentrification by the Goodwhites, causing the local schools and police departments in northern Virginia and southern Maryland problems.

    I'm not suggesting that there aren't IQ differences between races, to be sure, or disagreeing with your point. I just think the racial background, per se, doesn't matter as much as the specific background of the migrant. I think this tends to get lost on many people who believe all Chinese are intrinsically geniuses or something like that: when you have billions of people, like in China or India or Africa, you'll have tons of retards and tons of brilliant people, no matter what the average is, and the people who end up in America have traditionally been rather self-selected. (Though, these days, there are plenty of decidedly non-brilliant working class Chinese in places like Flushing. It was interesting to see that, because in Deep Southern or Midwestern towns, many full-blooded Asians you met were the children of professors. Wonder if there was a similar dynamic for Jews many decades ago.)

    As for the Haitians, I can't speak for them, but the ironic thing is, actual African migrants tend to do much better than African-Americans in just about any metric you can think of. I know that's not saying much, but the only group in the UK that outstrips the Chinese in academic performance are the Igbos, who ended up in the UK en masse after the Biafran war in the late 1960s. However, you need to look carefully at the type of people who are migrating: who can afford to leave Africa or Haiti and start all over? Chances are, somebody with skills. And chances are, if you don't have skills and are looking for a genuine new life rather than the chance to mooch off welfare, you'll push your children hard to develop them and get a better life than you can have. On the other hand, you have the Somalis, who cause trouble no matter whether they end up in Italy, Israel, or Minnesota. Is that due to intrinsic factors, like culture, or due to the quality of the migrant? Probably a complex mixture of both. Fascinating thing to study.

    Somehow I get the feeling that you live in a place without too many third-world immigrants. And BTW, not aimed at you but generally–many seem to forget that if a nation’s median IQ is 67, then half of its people………

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    It's ironic that you say that, because you aren't necessarily wrong, and I will confess that: I know and have worked with a lot of high horsepower immigrants, usually with physics or CS doctorates, who generally do a good job of assimilating to the US, so I suppose part of the reason I'm relatively less strictly anti-immigration than many people here is because of that. But I'm currently outside of DC (visiting), in a neighborhood that has changed a lot over the past couple of decades. A lot of Salvadorans ended up here when they got pushed out of the inner city, and as far as they'd go, I agree. El Salvador is a tiny place, largely consisting of the fantastically wealthy elite and the impoverished indio masses. (I'm not even sure if there is the turco imported middleman class like you see in the rest of Central America.) Not that much in the way of middle ground. I've heard occasionally that a lot of Central American elites buy properties in places like Florida, but I don't have any experience with that. I'm sure the Somalis in Minnesota are a similar story. Again: all depends on the type of immigrant you are admitting.


    No offense taken. Unlike losers like Art Deco, you are mature enough to disagree civilly with someone without resorting to ad hominems.
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  138. @Amasius
    Would have been a great proposal in 1890.

    Jonathan Swift had his own modest proposal in 1729, so ahead of his time.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

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    Exactly. And the original was well written and witty.
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  139. @Art Deco
    You will never hear any people but Jews boasting to each other about how many passports they have and how many more they can get if need be.

    Actually, I've never heard and Jews 'boasting' about this and neither have you. (I did once hear an academic administrator say her children had a claim on citizenship in three countries, but the countries were Canada, Britian, and the U.S.).

    I’ve never heard Jews not boasting about something, anything. Have you? Seriously?

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    I’ve never heard Jews not boasting about something, anything. Have you? Seriously?

    The two of you are in a hole. Quit digging.



    (No, my vascular surgeon isn't 'boasting' during office visits. He usually looks vaguely depressed).
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  140. @Anonymous
    His synagogue was Temple Hart-Celler and his rabbi was named Bernard Kopechne.

    Next question?

    Why did Ted Kennedy hate the WASPs so much?

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    Why did Ted Kennedy hate the WASPs so much?
     
    1. His daddy told him to when he was young.
    2. He didn't, really, but when in Rome...
    3. He knew who buttered his bread.

    Take your pick!
    , @sam sung
    Because he was a plastic paddy
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  141. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Achilles

    Would the United States have been better off if it had banned Jewish immigration sometime in the late 19th century
     
    And then we continued to ban Jewish immigration thereafter?

    It would mean an enormous difference for America.

    Imagine a communist movement in the US that was of only negligible importance.

    Imagine university faculty not ranged in hostility against America, whites and Christianity. Cultural marxist movements would have had far less influence in the US.

    Imagine a Hollywood that was not consumed with hatred of traditional America and white gentiles.

    Imagine no Alinsky. And no New Left - the leadership of the New Left was dominated by Jews. The social upheavals of the 1960s would have been far different and a lot less damaging to American society.

    No NAACP - the Jewish effort to supplant the Black Christian church as the political leadership of blacks would never have happened. Race relations in the US would be much better off without the Jewish-dominated media constantly pushing narratives such as Ferguson, Trayvon, Freddie Gray, etc. for the purpose of inciting hatred against whites and stoking racial discord.

    No 1965 immigration act - instead of increasing balkanization, tribalism and Third World populations, there would be much greater assimilation and unity.

    Imagine what schools curricula would be like without the influence of Howard Zinn and other Jews pushing anti-American themes in the schools.

    The victories of the radical left in constitutional law, feminism, environmentalism and many other areas would be greatly reduced.

    And on and on. Really, the influence of Jews is so large in so many areas of American society it's hard to imagine what the US would be like today without the wave of Eastern European Jews and their concomitant social radicalism, anti-Americanism and grievance agenda against white gentiles.

    I could think of a few more:

    There would be no Civil Rights movement, no fraudster named MLK. No victim mentality. No BLM. Blacks would’ve assimilated through hard work and upward mobility like everyone else.

    All our schools from K-12 through college would still be teaching real history, instead of Grievance Studies masquerading as history.

    Our kids will be taught real literature, instead of dark, depressing, sexually perverted, morally bankrupt garbage masquerading as literature.

    There would be no LGBTQ, no gay marriage, no transgenders, no 52 genders, no porn industry and all manners of sexual deviance. Divorce rate would plummet.

    There wouldn’t be an excess of mental health professionals psycho analyzing everyone and everything to death. Lies like “sex addiction” will simply be called by its proper name, licentiousness and lack of self-control.

    Our colleges would still have meritocracy instead of the holistic admissions + affirmative action nonsense.

    There will be no Deep State, no open borders, no neocons.

    Most importantly,

    We might actually have an honest media. Imagine that.

    Really, Jewish contribution to America cannot be overstated. That’s why America “owes it to the Jews” to protect Israel, as Alan Dershowitz asserted.

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  142. @unpc downunder
    It's interesting how Stephens is living in a liberal American city and not Israel. This crap probably wouldn't go down well there. The Israeli's aren't just worried about an influx of non-Jews, they're also worried about an influx of Jewish refugees from Europe, hence their concerns about Islamic immigration into Europe. Israel is very crowded place and they don't even have enough space for their own kind, left alone non-Jews:

    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Europe-begins-to-appreciate-the-reality-of-Islamic-terrorism-503632

    Israel is very crowded place and they don’t even have enough space for their own kind, left alone non-Jews:

    About 18% of the land area of that portion of the country which is north of the Negev is now built up. (And Israel has been constructing towns in the Negev, which now house 10% of Israel’s population). Israel’s current Jewish population outnumbers Europe’s Jewish population 3.5-fold. The increase in Israel’s Jewish population over the last 15 years exceeds the total Jewish population of Europe. Philip Giraldi’s psyche hardest hit.

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    Well then! They have plenty of room for all of those wonderful "refugees" that have chosen to gift Europe with their presence!

    Just think of what it'll do for their GDP!
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  143. @Anonymous
    Haitians and Salvadoreans aren't going to be driving policy, even if we admit another 20 million of them. Even if they vote--they can only choose from the candidates 'we' supply.

    Eventually, yes they will. There are enough Somalis in Minnesota that they have their own representatives in Congress. Did you ever think that was going to happen?

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    Are they voting to curtail immigration, or foreign aid to Israel?
    , @Jefferson
    The Mall Of America is looking like a typical London mall with how common it is to now see women with hijabs and burqas shopping there.
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  144. @Anonymous
    I've never heard Jews not boasting about something, anything. Have you? Seriously?

    I’ve never heard Jews not boasting about something, anything. Have you? Seriously?

    The two of you are in a hole. Quit digging.

    (No, my vascular surgeon isn’t ‘boasting’ during office visits. He usually looks vaguely depressed).

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    No, my vascular surgeon isn’t ‘boasting’ during office visits.

    Perhaps he does it in the 99% of his life that you don't see.

    He usually looks vaguely depressed).

    He's probably sad that there aren't enough Haitians and Somalis living next door to him. Can I trust you to take care of this for us, Agent Deco?
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  145. @S. Anonyia
    They might be more likely to agree with Stephens on immigration than other groups who voted for Trump.

    They voted 80 percent for Trump because he is a Republican. They would have voted 80 percent for any other dude up there too, aside from perhaps Rand Paul because he doesn't love Israel enough. I don't think they care that much about immigration one way or the other.

    Evangelicals, especially those who go to megachurches are the largest base of support for neo-cons; after all they were at a cultural high point in terms of influence and recruits during the Bush era. The neo-con shtick would get a lot less attention without mainstream evangelicals behind them.

    “They voted 80 percent for Trump because he is a Republican. They would have voted 80 percent for any other dude up there too, aside from perhaps Rand Paul because he doesn’t love Israel enough. I don’t think they care that much about immigration one way or the other”

    Evangelicals could have sat out the election like the Mormons did, but they didn’t they still came out and voted for Donald Trump in record numbers.

    I doubt even the Alt-Right voted anywhere close to 80% for Donald Trump. A lot of the Alt-Right have the same mentality as Christopher Cantwell in that they hate Donald Trump for letting his daughter marry a Jew.

    Donald Trump’s most loyal supporters are Evangelicals not the Alt-Right. The Alt-Right would prefer to see Ron Paul over Donald Trump as POTUS by a huge landslide.

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    Ron Paul is as likely to be President as Debbie Harry is likely to have another chartbusting number one hit record and for the same reason. Both are too damn old.

    And for several other reasons besides.

    I voted for Ron Paul when he ran as a libty and I voted for him in the primary against Romney for the GOP nomination last time he ran. I saw him speak. I like him as a person and think he is a foundationally decent man. But he is not electable, or nominable, now and was not nominable, much less electable then.

    I don't agree with all his positions but at least I know what they are and that they are not going to change. With Trump, all I knew was that it was going to be a turbulent ride, that he had semi-decent instincts and that as an outsider he would get little actually done. But I voted for him on the grounds that that was a damn sight better than Cacklepants Cankles Evita Lurleen Psycho Bitch.

    Ironically, if I were a WN first and foremost I would have voted for the diseased battleaxe on the grounds that she might have been the one to bring the empire down for good. And she might have. But while I have some sympathy for the WN position, I'm too damn old for a revolution myself.
    , @Pericles

    The Alt-Right would prefer to see Ron Paul over Donald Trump as POTUS by a huge landslide.

     

    Lol, are you high? Ron Paul never comes up, libertarianism is seen as a joke. Or more than one joke; it's fertile ground in that way.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Donald Trump’s most loyal supporters are Evangelicals not the Alt-Right. The Alt-Right would prefer to see Ron Paul over Donald Trump as POTUS by a huge landslide.
     
    No. They wouldn't. A lot of the alt-right probably used to be Paul supporters, but they've moved on from libertarianism. They liked Trump becuase he was espousing a more nationalist line and because he had a chance of winning.
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  146. @Anonymous
    Your invocation of Domitian has me dreamily thinking "what if?"

    Domitian didn’t have children, but he did have a knack for seeing talent-and loyalty-when he knew it with General Trajan. Domitian was eternally grateful for his vital role in putting down the Saturnitus revolt. So, I don’t think the imperial lineup would have changed that much if he had lived, just no Nerva, assuming Trajan lives long enough to take the purple. I don’t recall exactly, but they were about the same age.

    Though I should mention that Domitian was really the first emperor to open up the civil service and related professions to talented equestrians and provincials-and to crack down on the practice of giving high positions to people on the basis of family connections, even within his own family. This, among other anti-corruption measures, had as much to do with Senatorial hatred of the man as his flagrantly authoritarian rule and Julio-Claudian style political purges. Obviously, without that, the Spain-born (highly assimilated and perhaps partially Italian, but that didn’t matter for the snobbish Roman aristocrats until Trajan proved that he was *optimus*-and proved to have far better political/personal skills than Domitian) Trajan has a much harder time ascending to the throne.

    (Oh, wait: I only just realized that you might have been referring to the purges. Clumsy, literal minded me. I should point out that while they were real, they were no where on the scale that Rome’s senatorial class would have you believe. Domitian was more or less on part with Claudius in the number of executions-solidly middle of pack among 1st century emperors. I think it felt worse than it was at the time because Vespasian and Titus completely abhorred the treason trials and banned them.)

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    I was in fact referring to Domitian's darker side, but at least half in jest, obviously. I find Roman history absolutely captivating, and wish you and I could go drinking some time. I know a delightful little trattoria off the beaten path in Trastevere....
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  147. @Art Deco
    Israel is very crowded place and they don’t even have enough space for their own kind, left alone non-Jews:

    About 18% of the land area of that portion of the country which is north of the Negev is now built up. (And Israel has been constructing towns in the Negev, which now house 10% of Israel's population). Israel's current Jewish population outnumbers Europe's Jewish population 3.5-fold. The increase in Israel's Jewish population over the last 15 years exceeds the total Jewish population of Europe. Philip Giraldi's psyche hardest hit.

    Well then! They have plenty of room for all of those wonderful “refugees” that have chosen to gift Europe with their presence!

    Just think of what it’ll do for their GDP!

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  148. @nebulafox
    I see Nixon as essentially a modern version of Domitian. Both men were quite competent leaders who laid the foundations for the peak of power under their successors. But they had an absolutely horrendous relationship with the people who wrote the history-and had personalities that were highly, highly unsuited to politics (neither man seemed to intuitively understand or like social interactions) which insured paranoia and abuse of power. Both men were unapologetically authoritarian by nature, profoundly socially conservative (ensuring a bad relationship with Christians and hippies/New Left types, respectively) and not fighters for justice in the sense of Marius/Caesar or FDR, but also highly pro-meritocratic, seeing the middle class as the true guardian of national values against a decadent and corrupt elite. Both men had a very realpolitik style of foreign policy in a political culture that was highly hostile to it. I could go on for quite some time.

    (Nixon, for what it is worth, saw himself as a modern Disraeli. Personality-wise, Nixon could hardly have been more different from the slick, dandy-ish Disraeli, but politically and socially, the comparison is quite apropos. Both men were seen-in part because they did deserve it to some degree-as unprincipled slimeballs. That said, there was also a strong class hostility to both men. Disraeli, as a Sephardic Jew in Victorian England, always knew he was never quite "respectable"... Henry Kissinger, meanwhile, idolized Bismarck, the only man who could at all compete with Disraeli in late 19th Century political brilliance.)

    That said, there was also a strong class hostility to both men.

    Well, Arthur Schlesinger once said that the nubbin of the 1960 election was ‘Nixon lacks taste’. I suspect had you polled this nation’s country club membership in 1968 and 1972, you’d discover that north of 3/4 of them cast ballots for Nixon.

    Garry Wills looked down on Nixon, but he earned his living looking down on the right people for an audience of journalists and faculty members, not an audience of corporation executives and rentiers.

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  149. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    I’ve never heard Jews not boasting about something, anything. Have you? Seriously?

    The two of you are in a hole. Quit digging.



    (No, my vascular surgeon isn't 'boasting' during office visits. He usually looks vaguely depressed).

    No, my vascular surgeon isn’t ‘boasting’ during office visits.

    Perhaps he does it in the 99% of his life that you don’t see.

    He usually looks vaguely depressed).

    He’s probably sad that there aren’t enough Haitians and Somalis living next door to him. Can I trust you to take care of this for us, Agent Deco?

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    Concern Troll is Concerned that Deco's vascular surgeon is depressed.

    Really! But seriously, isn't this straying from the topic just a little??
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  150. @nebulafox
    I personally would love it if Trump ditched the pro-life crowd (thus spoketh Dubya: "human rights don't stop at the Rio Grand...") and began offering subsidies, arms transfers, whatever it takes to any African government willing to push mass birth control/family planning programs, but that's just me. What will the white evangelicals end up doing? They aren't going to go for the Democratic Party of 2020, that's for sure. And that's before we begin supporting the right of Central American migrant women to control their own reproductive capacities by building abortion clinics in the inner city... and Democrats will have an interesting explanation as to why they are against oppressed women's rights.

    I just don't buy the idea that Trump is at all a true believer in the vein of Dubya. The man is an NYC playboy billionaire with three wives, run-ins with porn stars, and an acceptable relationship with the local LGBT community. Then there's Studio 54.

    I personally would love it if Trump ditched the pro-life crowd

    Well, he’s shrewder than you are, so that isn’t happening.

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    Right. Because we all know the extreme risk that evangelicals will vote for Kemala Harris. Or stay home at all when faced with a Democratic Party like the one that we’re going see in 2020.

    Trump recognized Jerusalem, something Dubya himself wouldn't do. He's got their vote no matter what he does with abortion, especially abortion concerning foreigners. In any case, with the Democratic Party shaping up to be even more leftward on cultural matters in 2020-with the caveat that a year is an eternity in politics-the Deep South and Mountain West is not the primary cause of concern. He needs to worry about winning the Rust Belt again.

    , @Alden
    The pro life crowd votes.
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  151. @istevefan

    Today, American Jews are widely considered the model minority, so thoroughly assimilated that organizational Jewish energies are now largely devoted to protecting our religious and cultural distinctiveness.
     
    I hear this a lot,that Jews are thoroughly assimilated. However, is this true? If you judge assimilation by wealth, success and power, then I suppose this is correct. But I don't think that is what assimilation means. In fact I don't think that is what Jews think assimilation means. Because Jews fear assimilation. And if assimilation is simply wealth accumulation, success and power, what is there to fear?

    No assimilation is something else. It is the absorption of your group into the whole. It is the loss of your distinctiveness and culture. This does not describe Jews. It is the complete opposite. It's why Stephens writes, " ...organizational Jewish energies are now largely devoted to protecting our religious and cultural distinctiveness."

    Thoroughly assimilated groups would be like the Germans and various other Europeans who have no clue where they came from, don't speak one word of their formerly native tongue, nor have much recollection of their past culture, or even care for that matter.

    There might be some remaining enclaves of white ethnics that still cling to their past. Perhaps the Cajuns of Louisiana might come to mind, or maybe some Greeks in some place like Astoria, NY. But for the most part, various European Americans have been absorbed into the whole and most of us of European descent are English-speaking, thoroughly-mixed, Euro-mutts who at present don't even think of ourselves as a group with common interests. (Note: the thought of us ever coming together politically scares the hell out of our betters.)

    Thoroughly assimilated groups would be like the Germans and various other Europeans who have no clue where they came from, don’t speak one word of their formerly native tongue, nor have much recollection of their past culture, or even care for that matter.

    The concept of assimilation was redefined to suit Jews because if Jews ever had to go for assimilation as Germans, Swedes or Poles did there would be no Jews left. The identity politics is quintessential to Jewish existence. No more melting pot. Tossed salad?

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  152. “We control our reasoned choice and all acts that depend on that moral will. What’s not under our control are the body and any of its parts, our possessions, parents, siblings, children, or country—anything with which we might associate.”
    —EPICTETUS, DISCOURSES, 1.22.10
    This is important enough that it bears repeating: a wise person knows what’s inside their circle of control and what is outside of it.
    The good news is that it’s pretty easy to remember what is inside our control. According to the Stoics, the circle of control contains just one thing: YOUR MIND. That’s right, even your physical body isn’t completely within the circle. After all, you could be struck with a physical illness or impairment at any moment. You could be traveling in a foreign country and be thrown in jail.
    But this is all good news because it drastically reduces the amount of things that you need to think about. There is clarity in simplicity. While everyone else is running around with a list of responsibilities a mile long—things they’re not actually responsible for—you’ve got just that one-item list. You’ve got just one thing to manage: your choices, your will, your mind.
    So mind it.

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  153. @Jefferson
    Why did Ted Kennedy hate the WASPs so much?

    Why did Ted Kennedy hate the WASPs so much?

    1. His daddy told him to when he was young.
    2. He didn’t, really, but when in Rome…
    3. He knew who buttered his bread.

    Take your pick!

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    Because the English had been kicking around the Irish since the 1100s?
    , @Jefferson
    If Ted Kennedy loved the WASPs he would not have backed an immigration bill that would make WASPs a minority in The U.S.
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  154. @anon
    Eventually, yes they will. There are enough Somalis in Minnesota that they have their own representatives in Congress. Did you ever think that was going to happen?

    Are they voting to curtail immigration, or foreign aid to Israel?

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    They're certainly not voting to curtail immigration. As far as Israel goes, I don't believe that's come up yet. Get enough of them, and they will.

    She was, for the record, one of two lawmakers to vote against a bill that would allow life insurance companies to deny payouts to the beneficiaries of terrorists who die in violent attacks on Americans.
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  155. @anon
    No, my vascular surgeon isn’t ‘boasting’ during office visits.

    Perhaps he does it in the 99% of his life that you don't see.

    He usually looks vaguely depressed).

    He's probably sad that there aren't enough Haitians and Somalis living next door to him. Can I trust you to take care of this for us, Agent Deco?

    Concern Troll is Concerned that Deco’s vascular surgeon is depressed.

    Really! But seriously, isn’t this straying from the topic just a little??

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  156. @anon
    Eventually, yes they will. There are enough Somalis in Minnesota that they have their own representatives in Congress. Did you ever think that was going to happen?

    The Mall Of America is looking like a typical London mall with how common it is to now see women with hijabs and burqas shopping there.

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  157. @syonredux

    Yet imagine if the United States had followed the advice of the immigration restrictionists in the late 19th century and banned Jewish immigrants, at least from Central Europe and Russia, on what they perceived to be some genetic inferiority. What, in terms of enterprise, genius, imagination, and philanthropy would have been lost to America as a country?
     
    The more pertinent question: If we don't allow in Haitians, what, in terms of enterprise, genius, imagination, and philanthropy will be lost to America as a country?

    My guess? Not much.

    I say if ((((they)))) would’ve been kept out, America would still be America.

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  158. @syonredux

    A Modest Immigration Proposal: Ban Jews
     
    Well, that would mean that we wouldn't have to read crap articles by Jewish journos about how immigrants from Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East are just like the steerage-class passengers who came through Ellis Island a century ago.....That would be something of a net positive...

    I’d say it would be a net positive.

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  159. @Anonymous
    Somehow I get the feeling that you live in a place without too many third-world immigrants. And BTW, not aimed at you but generally--many seem to forget that if a nation's median IQ is 67, then half of its people.........

    It’s ironic that you say that, because you aren’t necessarily wrong, and I will confess that: I know and have worked with a lot of high horsepower immigrants, usually with physics or CS doctorates, who generally do a good job of assimilating to the US, so I suppose part of the reason I’m relatively less strictly anti-immigration than many people here is because of that. But I’m currently outside of DC (visiting), in a neighborhood that has changed a lot over the past couple of decades. A lot of Salvadorans ended up here when they got pushed out of the inner city, and as far as they’d go, I agree. El Salvador is a tiny place, largely consisting of the fantastically wealthy elite and the impoverished indio masses. (I’m not even sure if there is the turco imported middleman class like you see in the rest of Central America.) Not that much in the way of middle ground. I’ve heard occasionally that a lot of Central American elites buy properties in places like Florida, but I don’t have any experience with that. I’m sure the Somalis in Minnesota are a similar story. Again: all depends on the type of immigrant you are admitting.

    No offense taken. Unlike losers like Art Deco, you are mature enough to disagree civilly with someone without resorting to ad hominems.

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    Thanks; and yes, the skill seems a bit selective. Meanwhile I've spent over a decade in suburban Washington (and also lived there in the 70s) and it really isn't recognizable anymore.

    Aside from the hangouts of the wealthy, white people really are a minority here. And Washington being as cosmopolitan as it is, even the wealthy redoubts are quite diverse (a lot of Indians/Asians in particular). Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.

    I'm all for a small amount of immigration of skilled, talented people who will add to our society. When was the last time that was the case?

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  160. @Anonymous

    Why did Ted Kennedy hate the WASPs so much?
     
    1. His daddy told him to when he was young.
    2. He didn't, really, but when in Rome...
    3. He knew who buttered his bread.

    Take your pick!

    Because the English had been kicking around the Irish since the 1100s?

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    That was implicit in #1
    , @Wilkey
    As we all know, if Ireland had been neighbors with Somalia, Yemen, and El Salvador instead of Britain they all would have been singing Kumbaya together for the last 900 years.
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  161. @nebulafox
    I personally would love it if Trump ditched the pro-life crowd (thus spoketh Dubya: "human rights don't stop at the Rio Grand...") and began offering subsidies, arms transfers, whatever it takes to any African government willing to push mass birth control/family planning programs, but that's just me. What will the white evangelicals end up doing? They aren't going to go for the Democratic Party of 2020, that's for sure. And that's before we begin supporting the right of Central American migrant women to control their own reproductive capacities by building abortion clinics in the inner city... and Democrats will have an interesting explanation as to why they are against oppressed women's rights.

    I just don't buy the idea that Trump is at all a true believer in the vein of Dubya. The man is an NYC playboy billionaire with three wives, run-ins with porn stars, and an acceptable relationship with the local LGBT community. Then there's Studio 54.

    Donald Trump never claimed to be a Conservative on social issues, but he respects the culture & traditions of Evangelicals and does not see them as backwards White trash like the Left does, which is why they have a mutual respect for each other.

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  162. @Anonymous

    Why did Ted Kennedy hate the WASPs so much?
     
    1. His daddy told him to when he was young.
    2. He didn't, really, but when in Rome...
    3. He knew who buttered his bread.

    Take your pick!

    If Ted Kennedy loved the WASPs he would not have backed an immigration bill that would make WASPs a minority in The U.S.

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    There's more of that to come:

    https://twitter.com/AlexNowrasteh/status/954053763601436672
    , @Anonymous
    Uh, we all agree he didn't love "the WASPs" okay? We were discussing possible reasons why. Are you with the program or not?
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  163. @Art Deco
    I personally would love it if Trump ditched the pro-life crowd

    Well, he's shrewder than you are, so that isn't happening.

    Right. Because we all know the extreme risk that evangelicals will vote for Kemala Harris. Or stay home at all when faced with a Democratic Party like the one that we’re going see in 2020.

    Trump recognized Jerusalem, something Dubya himself wouldn’t do. He’s got their vote no matter what he does with abortion, especially abortion concerning foreigners. In any case, with the Democratic Party shaping up to be even more leftward on cultural matters in 2020-with the caveat that a year is an eternity in politics-the Deep South and Mountain West is not the primary cause of concern. He needs to worry about winning the Rust Belt again.

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  164. You don’t have to wait until 2040, WASPs are already a minority in The U.S in 2018 when you combine Nonwhites (Hispanics, Asians, African Americans) with the U.S census definition of White which includes Slavs, Jews, Italians, Irish, Arabs, Armenians, and some Latinos.

    Ted Kennedy struck a Celtic cross into the heart of WASP America.

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    Ted Kennedy struck a Celtic cross into the heart of WASP America.
     
    Who Opened the Borders in the First Place?
    "Ted Kennedy as Stepin' Fetchit"
    , @3g4me
    @157 Jefferson: "Ted Kennedy struck a Celtic cross into the heart of WASP America."

    Plenty of us loathed the lying, cheating, murdering s.o.b., but don't feel the need to lie about the authors of the Hart-Cellar immigration act. Will you eternally shill for other Ellis Islanders, or will you ever let go of your beloved hyphen?
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  165. @Achilles

    Would the United States have been better off if it had banned Jewish immigration sometime in the late 19th century
     
    And then we continued to ban Jewish immigration thereafter?

    It would mean an enormous difference for America.

    Imagine a communist movement in the US that was of only negligible importance.

    Imagine university faculty not ranged in hostility against America, whites and Christianity. Cultural marxist movements would have had far less influence in the US.

    Imagine a Hollywood that was not consumed with hatred of traditional America and white gentiles.

    Imagine no Alinsky. And no New Left - the leadership of the New Left was dominated by Jews. The social upheavals of the 1960s would have been far different and a lot less damaging to American society.

    No NAACP - the Jewish effort to supplant the Black Christian church as the political leadership of blacks would never have happened. Race relations in the US would be much better off without the Jewish-dominated media constantly pushing narratives such as Ferguson, Trayvon, Freddie Gray, etc. for the purpose of inciting hatred against whites and stoking racial discord.

    No 1965 immigration act - instead of increasing balkanization, tribalism and Third World populations, there would be much greater assimilation and unity.

    Imagine what schools curricula would be like without the influence of Howard Zinn and other Jews pushing anti-American themes in the schools.

    The victories of the radical left in constitutional law, feminism, environmentalism and many other areas would be greatly reduced.

    And on and on. Really, the influence of Jews is so large in so many areas of American society it's hard to imagine what the US would be like today without the wave of Eastern European Jews and their concomitant social radicalism, anti-Americanism and grievance agenda against white gentiles.

    Winner winner chicken dinner.

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  166. @istevefan
    Additionally, people need to look at the other side of the equation. If we take in the best and brightest from Haiti and other s-holes, how will they ever be able to stop being s-holes?

    I am really surprised this issue is not being picked up by the SJWs. After all they readily denounce colonialism's past history of resource extraction of poor nation's potential wealth. Yet they remain quiet on the modern issue of human resource extraction that probably harms poor nations more.

    The only reason I can imagine for why SJWs are quiet on this issue is because their number one priority is the punishment and ultimate destruction of European nations, or at least the destruction of how they are presently comprised. There is no other explanation if they truly cared for those unfortunate nations and the 96% plus of the populations that must remain in those s-holes while the gifted ones flee.

    If we take in the best and brightest from Haiti and other s-holes, how will they ever be able to stop being s-holes?

    I am really surprised this issue is not being picked up by the SJWs.

    They will never pick up this issue because they will never acknowledge that some people are more capable than others

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  167. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Are they voting to curtail immigration, or foreign aid to Israel?

    They’re certainly not voting to curtail immigration. As far as Israel goes, I don’t believe that’s come up yet. Get enough of them, and they will.

    She was, for the record, one of two lawmakers to vote against a bill that would allow life insurance companies to deny payouts to the beneficiaries of terrorists who die in violent attacks on Americans.

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  168. @Anonymous

    Here’s a thought experiment: Would the United States have been better off if it had banned Jewish immigration sometime in the late 19th century ... ?

     

    The answer, almost without a doubt, is yes. The balance of positive and negative contributions is hard to estimate accurately but it comes down to this: Jews' many contributions to science and technology would have been closely matched by non-Jews filling the same positions in businesses and universities. At the worst, there would be a delay here and three. On the other hand, Jewish contributions to the leftist/progressive/communist/anti-white agenda would be unlikely to be matched on a large scale. Without the permanent leftist revolution, the US would not have gone through the demographic transformation.

    Answering his question in the affirmative is easy as 2 + 2 = 4.

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  169. @Art Deco
    I never liked Frum because of what he did to Buchanan and company during the Iraq Attack.

    Aye, he called attention to the 70% loss in circulation Chronicles suffered when Thomas Fleming elected to turn the Rockford Institute into the Slobodan Milosevic Press Agency.

    I was thinking more along the lines of his article, Unpatriotic Conservatives from March 2003

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  170. @nebulafox
    Well, it is a little more nuanced than that. Because the mullahs insanely decided to launch a Cultural Revolution style purge against the scientific sector in Iran (one of the most advanced in the developing world under the Shah, especially with female scientists), a lot of high-IQ, largely secular Persian geeks ended up the US, carrying a severe aversion to anything smacking of religious politics in general and Islamic politics in particular with them. As a result, Iranian-Americans are omnipresent in high horsepower tech and science.

    Salvadoran Americans, on the other hand, are largely the descendants of semi-literate or illiterate indios who fled the country during the vicious civil war of the 1980s-which the Reagan Administration helped fuel, an ironic twist if you take in the '86 amnesty. The Mexicans didn't want them-last thing they need, given the fragile socioeconomic structure of Mexico, is more pressure at the bottom of the ladder, so they ended up in greater Washington DC and Los Angeles in droves. And they cause problems. Lots of problems. And they've been pushed out into the suburbs by gentrification by the Goodwhites, causing the local schools and police departments in northern Virginia and southern Maryland problems.

    I'm not suggesting that there aren't IQ differences between races, to be sure, or disagreeing with your point. I just think the racial background, per se, doesn't matter as much as the specific background of the migrant. I think this tends to get lost on many people who believe all Chinese are intrinsically geniuses or something like that: when you have billions of people, like in China or India or Africa, you'll have tons of retards and tons of brilliant people, no matter what the average is, and the people who end up in America have traditionally been rather self-selected. (Though, these days, there are plenty of decidedly non-brilliant working class Chinese in places like Flushing. It was interesting to see that, because in Deep Southern or Midwestern towns, many full-blooded Asians you met were the children of professors. Wonder if there was a similar dynamic for Jews many decades ago.)

    As for the Haitians, I can't speak for them, but the ironic thing is, actual African migrants tend to do much better than African-Americans in just about any metric you can think of. I know that's not saying much, but the only group in the UK that outstrips the Chinese in academic performance are the Igbos, who ended up in the UK en masse after the Biafran war in the late 1960s. However, you need to look carefully at the type of people who are migrating: who can afford to leave Africa or Haiti and start all over? Chances are, somebody with skills. And chances are, if you don't have skills and are looking for a genuine new life rather than the chance to mooch off welfare, you'll push your children hard to develop them and get a better life than you can have. On the other hand, you have the Somalis, who cause trouble no matter whether they end up in Italy, Israel, or Minnesota. Is that due to intrinsic factors, like culture, or due to the quality of the migrant? Probably a complex mixture of both. Fascinating thing to study.

    However, you need to look carefully at the type of people who are migrating: who can afford to leave Africa or Haiti and start all over? Chances are, somebody with skills

    I’m pretty sure that we would see a mass exodus of Haitians to the USA if immigration controls were dropped. Cf Puerto Rico, which has a huge diaspora in the USA….and Puerto Rico is, by Caribbean standards, a fairly decent place, certainly better than Haiti.

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  171. @J.Ross
    Do we need to recall the "Judea Declares War on Germany" headline?
    You will never hear any people but Jews boasting to each other about how many passports they have and how many more they can get if need be. Ostensibly this is to escape a new holocaust, but it just so happens to be very convenient for intelligence work. I'm sure that's just a coincidence, because it's not like Jews were ever caught using the passports of neutral countries to set up an assassination or anything.
    And it would be in line with Zionism to encourage Jews to go straight to Israel and resist the temptation to live in the American Babylon.
    We could call it "The Brett Stephens Act."

    You will never hear any people but Jews boasting to each other about how many passports they have

    I haven’t heard too many people mention having more than one passport, but of that set of multinational passport holders, not one is a Jew. They’ve tended to be non-Jewish American citizens, and naturalized Europeans and Latin Americans.

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    In my experience Canadian/USA dual citz always seem to mention it.
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  172. @SFG
    A 50%+ intermarriage rate hardly indicates a lack of assimilation.

    Unfortunately, they assimilate into the left half of the American elite, and give it (a) greater intellectual firepower and (b) particular preoccupations with race which are very bad.

    I suspect the fraction of the Jewish population that sympathizes with mainstream America simply marries goyim, leaves the tribe, and keeps their mouths shut.

    A 50%+ intermarriage rate hardly indicates a lack of assimilation.

    That is a good point, but let’s drill down a bit. First, by intermarriage I assume you mean an Ashkenazi to a white gentile. If so, what is the concern? By definition Ashkenazis came into being by intermarriage with white gentiles in the first place. Did Jewish leaders 1900 years ago lament all the intermarriage between Jewish men in Rome and the locals? So long as the women became Jews and the kids were raised Jews, I don’t think they saw this as a problem. So why would this be a problem today? So long as the intermarriage is along the lines of Ivanka Trump and not Barry Goldwater’s parents, I don’t see why this is a problem.

    Second, gentile whites in America must have close to a 90 percent intermarriage rate if you just consider one Euro ethnic group marrying a different one. I myself probably have about 5 different Euro ethnicities and maybe more. Gentile whites have intermarried with one another in the USA so much that we don’t even call it intermarriage whenever they marry.

    Third, Jews are still listed at about 2 percent of the population. Isn’t that pretty consistent with what they have been for quite some time? If so that would tend to indicate that the intermarriages with white gentiles tend to produce folks who identify as Jews. Whether or not they are religious is another question. But it appears that the proportion of Jews in America has remained level at 2 percent. Meanwhile the proportion of white gentiles has dropped from around 86 percent to the mid 60s, or almost by 25%. If the Jewish proportion, or black, or any group besides whites dropped by such an amount, the media would treat it as a tragedy.

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    165 istevefan > So long as the women became Jews and the kids were raised Jews, I don’t think they saw this as a problem


    Christians don't all agree on which day is Easter, and Jews don't all agree on "who is a Jew"
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  173. @Old Palo Altan
    His evidence is his eyes and his brain. He's a noticer.
    He's right too - in fact I'd wager that that boat is not even from Europe, but more likely a pleasure vessel of some kind. Some of those shown are too well dressed to be either tired or poor, and look like they will decamp to their comfortable apartments in (old) Harlem once they have disembarked.

    Jews, at any rate, they are not.

    The writing on the sign on the boat is in English: “Passengers not allowed on the bridge”. Does that suggest that it might be an American boat or perhaps from England?

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  174. @Jefferson
    If Ted Kennedy loved the WASPs he would not have backed an immigration bill that would make WASPs a minority in The U.S.

    There’s more of that to come:

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    Exactly how the Italian border moved West to New York in 1920. Eye roll.

     

    https://twitter.com/AlexNowrasteh/status/954173539883642881


    He's a bit of a moron, isn't he? Dear Alex, go to a globe, note the positions of Mexico and Italy in relation to the USA. This might come as a bit of shock, but Mexico and the USA have a land-border. And that's just one of the ways in which immigration from Mexico differs from immigration immigration from Italy....

    , @syonredux

    Of course not, many oppose immigration because they're blood worshipping nationalists. All sorts of silly nonsensical reasons to oppose it.

     

    https://twitter.com/AlexNowrasteh/status/954072710786748422


    My God, this man is an utter buffoon. Dear Alex, many people favor immigration because they are "blood worshiping nationalists." See, they want more of their co-ethnics to live in the USA. Why? Well, because they feel connected to them.
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  175. @J.Ross
    The first city in Russia to have female suffrage and universal education and all that jazz was a Siberian outpost, because that's where the Decembrists were sent in lieu of execution. Bad governments love emigration because it releases the critical pressure necessary to improve societies. You would think this would sound familiar to progressives.

    Bad governments love emigration because it releases the critical pressure necessary to improve societies. You would think this would sound familiar to progressives.

    That’s a good point, but our progressives have already created a euphemism to ignore it. They call the USA a “pressure relief valve” especially in regards to Mexico, and act as if we are helping to avoid social upheaval by taking in their surplus population.

    In reality you are probably correct. By taking in their surplus we are allowing their leaders to kick the can down road.

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  176. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    A study by the Cato Institute notes that nonimmigrants are incarcerated at nearly twice the rate of illegal immigrants, and at more than three times the rate of legal ones.

    (From another Stephens op-ed.)

    Still later, Jewish “neocons” somehow became the shadowy instigators of America’s wars in the Middle East.

    Someone might ask Jeff Sessions and other eternal bigots what makes an El Salvadoran, Iranian or Haitian any different.

    This is just pure troll-bait. The rejoinders are obvious to those who know the score, but they must look on silently as Mr. Stephens’ NYT commenters dance to his tribe’s tune on all these issues. That’s why he says these things.

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    I like "neocons" in quotes like it's some dubious term you only hear teenagers use. But nothing is as nice as knowing that Bill Kristol and Richard Perle do not really exist.
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  177. @nebulafox
    I see Nixon as essentially a modern version of Domitian. Both men were quite competent leaders who laid the foundations for the peak of power under their successors. But they had an absolutely horrendous relationship with the people who wrote the history-and had personalities that were highly, highly unsuited to politics (neither man seemed to intuitively understand or like social interactions) which insured paranoia and abuse of power. Both men were unapologetically authoritarian by nature, profoundly socially conservative (ensuring a bad relationship with Christians and hippies/New Left types, respectively) and not fighters for justice in the sense of Marius/Caesar or FDR, but also highly pro-meritocratic, seeing the middle class as the true guardian of national values against a decadent and corrupt elite. Both men had a very realpolitik style of foreign policy in a political culture that was highly hostile to it. I could go on for quite some time.

    (Nixon, for what it is worth, saw himself as a modern Disraeli. Personality-wise, Nixon could hardly have been more different from the slick, dandy-ish Disraeli, but politically and socially, the comparison is quite apropos. Both men were seen-in part because they did deserve it to some degree-as unprincipled slimeballs. That said, there was also a strong class hostility to both men. Disraeli, as a Sephardic Jew in Victorian England, always knew he was never quite "respectable"... Henry Kissinger, meanwhile, idolized Bismarck, the only man who could at all compete with Disraeli in late 19th Century political brilliance.)

    Nixon could handle the Soviets. They could never mess with him the way they did with Carter etc. *because* they knew he could be an unprincipled slimeball–if he chose. There wasn’t anything they might pull he couldn’t think of first.

    As for the Muslims, he never worshipped at the altar of foreign oil, as both the Clintons and the Bushes seem to have done. A frank Jew-hater in private life, he trusted Kissinger because he knew he was ideal for the job, and supported Israel because the Soviets were supporting the Arabs. The enemy of my enemy, etc.

    Realpolitik is the perfect term. Not a likable man, but highly competent and professional. And I believe he was right about the middle-class. The reduction of it, the increasing division of the population into peons and Plutocrats, is one of the reasons this country is in so much trouble.

    Interestingly, there are reports that Reagan was quietly consulting the retired and disgraced ex-president during his own terms–and he may not have been the only one.

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  178. @Anonymous

    A study by the Cato Institute notes that nonimmigrants are incarcerated at nearly twice the rate of illegal immigrants, and at more than three times the rate of legal ones.
     
    (From another Stephens op-ed.)

    Still later, Jewish “neocons” somehow became the shadowy instigators of America’s wars in the Middle East.
     

    Someone might ask Jeff Sessions and other eternal bigots what makes an El Salvadoran, Iranian or Haitian any different.
     
    This is just pure troll-bait. The rejoinders are obvious to those who know the score, but they must look on silently as Mr. Stephens' NYT commenters dance to his tribe's tune on all these issues. That's why he says these things.

    I like “neocons” in quotes like it’s some dubious term you only hear teenagers use. But nothing is as nice as knowing that Bill Kristol and Richard Perle do not really exist.

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  179. @Steve Sailer
    Because the English had been kicking around the Irish since the 1100s?

    That was implicit in #1

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  180. @Jefferson
    If Ted Kennedy loved the WASPs he would not have backed an immigration bill that would make WASPs a minority in The U.S.

    Uh, we all agree he didn’t love “the WASPs” okay? We were discussing possible reasons why. Are you with the program or not?

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  181. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    It's ironic that you say that, because you aren't necessarily wrong, and I will confess that: I know and have worked with a lot of high horsepower immigrants, usually with physics or CS doctorates, who generally do a good job of assimilating to the US, so I suppose part of the reason I'm relatively less strictly anti-immigration than many people here is because of that. But I'm currently outside of DC (visiting), in a neighborhood that has changed a lot over the past couple of decades. A lot of Salvadorans ended up here when they got pushed out of the inner city, and as far as they'd go, I agree. El Salvador is a tiny place, largely consisting of the fantastically wealthy elite and the impoverished indio masses. (I'm not even sure if there is the turco imported middleman class like you see in the rest of Central America.) Not that much in the way of middle ground. I've heard occasionally that a lot of Central American elites buy properties in places like Florida, but I don't have any experience with that. I'm sure the Somalis in Minnesota are a similar story. Again: all depends on the type of immigrant you are admitting.


    No offense taken. Unlike losers like Art Deco, you are mature enough to disagree civilly with someone without resorting to ad hominems.

    Thanks; and yes, the skill seems a bit selective. Meanwhile I’ve spent over a decade in suburban Washington (and also lived there in the 70s) and it really isn’t recognizable anymore.

    Aside from the hangouts of the wealthy, white people really are a minority here. And Washington being as cosmopolitan as it is, even the wealthy redoubts are quite diverse (a lot of Indians/Asians in particular). Not that there’s anything wrong with that, of course.

    I’m all for a small amount of immigration of skilled, talented people who will add to our society. When was the last time that was the case?

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  182. @nebulafox
    Domitian didn't have children, but he did have a knack for seeing talent-and loyalty-when he knew it with General Trajan. Domitian was eternally grateful for his vital role in putting down the Saturnitus revolt. So, I don't think the imperial lineup would have changed that much if he had lived, just no Nerva, assuming Trajan lives long enough to take the purple. I don't recall exactly, but they were about the same age.

    Though I should mention that Domitian was really the first emperor to open up the civil service and related professions to talented equestrians and provincials-and to crack down on the practice of giving high positions to people on the basis of family connections, even within his own family. This, among other anti-corruption measures, had as much to do with Senatorial hatred of the man as his flagrantly authoritarian rule and Julio-Claudian style political purges. Obviously, without that, the Spain-born (highly assimilated and perhaps partially Italian, but that didn't matter for the snobbish Roman aristocrats until Trajan proved that he was *optimus*-and proved to have far better political/personal skills than Domitian) Trajan has a much harder time ascending to the throne.

    (Oh, wait: I only just realized that you might have been referring to the purges. Clumsy, literal minded me. I should point out that while they were real, they were no where on the scale that Rome's senatorial class would have you believe. Domitian was more or less on part with Claudius in the number of executions-solidly middle of pack among 1st century emperors. I think it felt worse than it was at the time because Vespasian and Titus completely abhorred the treason trials and banned them.)

    I was in fact referring to Domitian’s darker side, but at least half in jest, obviously. I find Roman history absolutely captivating, and wish you and I could go drinking some time. I know a delightful little trattoria off the beaten path in Trastevere….

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    Yeah, I knew it. It's my stupidity and penchant for taking things literally, again.


    I've never been to Italy-most of my experience traveling abroad has been in Asia. Only seen the German speaking parts in Europe. Would love to go. And yeah, it has been one my special interests over the past year or two: although there's far too many differences between the decline of Rome and what the US faces to draw too many direct comparisons, there are a disturbing amount of parallels. Love to just go on historical tangents over good food, a Mediterranean sunset, and healthy doses of wine. Byzantine and Renaissance Italian history is also fascinating, and is something I want to learn more about-as a physics turned coding geek by trade, I didn't take classes on this kind of thing, and I wish I did. Not least because there's so many tangents to other extremely important parts of history-the rise and conquests of Islam, for example, or the laying of the seeds of the long-term destruction of feudalism.
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  183. @Anonymous
    There's more of that to come:

    https://twitter.com/AlexNowrasteh/status/954053763601436672

    Exactly how the Italian border moved West to New York in 1920. Eye roll.

    He’s a bit of a moron, isn’t he? Dear Alex, go to a globe, note the positions of Mexico and Italy in relation to the USA. This might come as a bit of shock, but Mexico and the USA have a land-border. And that’s just one of the ways in which immigration from Mexico differs from immigration immigration from Italy….

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  184. Yet imagine if the United States had followed the advice of the immigration restrictionists in the late 19th century and banned Jewish immigrants, at least from Central Europe and Russia, on what they perceived to be some genetic inferiority. What, in terms of enterprise, genius, imagination, and philanthropy would have been lost to America as a country?

    What would have been lost? Well exactly nothing, so long as in place of the Jews we had allowed in an equal number of Salvadorans, Somalis, Arabs, African pygmies or – God forbid – Englishmen.

    That’s supposed to be the correct answer, right? All ethnic groups are equally awesome and will make equivalent contributions to our country, right?

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  185. @Anonymous
    There's more of that to come:

    https://twitter.com/AlexNowrasteh/status/954053763601436672

    Of course not, many oppose immigration because they’re blood worshipping nationalists. All sorts of silly nonsensical reasons to oppose it.

    My God, this man is an utter buffoon. Dear Alex, many people favor immigration because they are “blood worshiping nationalists.” See, they want more of their co-ethnics to live in the USA. Why? Well, because they feel connected to them.

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  186. @Jefferson
    You don't have to wait until 2040, WASPs are already a minority in The U.S in 2018 when you combine Nonwhites (Hispanics, Asians, African Americans) with the U.S census definition of White which includes Slavs, Jews, Italians, Irish, Arabs, Armenians, and some Latinos.

    Ted Kennedy struck a Celtic cross into the heart of WASP America.

    Ted Kennedy struck a Celtic cross into the heart of WASP America.

    Who Opened the Borders in the First Place?
    “Ted Kennedy as Stepin’ Fetchit”

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  187. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    Do we need to recall the "Judea Declares War on Germany" headline?
    You will never hear any people but Jews boasting to each other about how many passports they have and how many more they can get if need be. Ostensibly this is to escape a new holocaust, but it just so happens to be very convenient for intelligence work. I'm sure that's just a coincidence, because it's not like Jews were ever caught using the passports of neutral countries to set up an assassination or anything.
    And it would be in line with Zionism to encourage Jews to go straight to Israel and resist the temptation to live in the American Babylon.
    We could call it "The Brett Stephens Act."

    I know several people who have or have had multiple, concurrent, legal passports. All but one is in fact Jewish. I don’t know if the brag, but I’ve not had to spend a lot of effort to find this out.

    Any American who can lawfully get a second passport who is not planning a political career probably ought to do so, by the way. But very few non-immigrant whites will.

    At one time it was pretty easy to get a Canadian passport for Americans, I doubt that is true now.

    If you are Catholic and in showbiz, or are prominent and a bit of a philanthropist or publicity hound, and aren’t a schmuck like Pope Francis the Zeroth (who tried to buy his way in, in a memorable mob scam mentioned in several mob biographies) it is often possible to get in the SMOM. You can also have a go at getting a consular appointment to some little country and they may give you a diplomatic passport that way.

    Otherwise, many countries will give you a passport if one parent or two grandparents were citizens of their country. If you or your father (or in the case of, say, military nurses, like Houlihan on MASH, your mother) served in the US military overseas in a capacity that the country considers really significant occasionally they will issue one too.

    And of course if you are a bonafide Jew, there is always Israel.

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    And of course if you are a bonafide Jew, there is always Israel.
     
    And if you are Israeli

    Tens of thousands of Israelis seek EU passports
    https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/tens-of-thousands-of-israelis-seek-eu-passports-1.358665

    http://www.newsweek.com/2015/08/28/whats-behind-surge-israelis-seeking-eu-citizenship-362904.html
    Between 400,000 and 500,000 Israelis have a European passport, says Yossi Harpaz, a doctoral student at Princeton University, more than double the estimated figure in 2000. Add that to the 500,000 Israelis who already have American, Russian and/or other passports, and that’s about 1 million people, or roughly 1 in 8 Israelis, who have dual citizenship.
     
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  188. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jefferson
    "They voted 80 percent for Trump because he is a Republican. They would have voted 80 percent for any other dude up there too, aside from perhaps Rand Paul because he doesn’t love Israel enough. I don’t think they care that much about immigration one way or the other"

    Evangelicals could have sat out the election like the Mormons did, but they didn't they still came out and voted for Donald Trump in record numbers.

    I doubt even the Alt-Right voted anywhere close to 80% for Donald Trump. A lot of the Alt-Right have the same mentality as Christopher Cantwell in that they hate Donald Trump for letting his daughter marry a Jew.

    Donald Trump's most loyal supporters are Evangelicals not the Alt-Right. The Alt-Right would prefer to see Ron Paul over Donald Trump as POTUS by a huge landslide.

    Ron Paul is as likely to be President as Debbie Harry is likely to have another chartbusting number one hit record and for the same reason. Both are too damn old.

    And for several other reasons besides.

    I voted for Ron Paul when he ran as a libty and I voted for him in the primary against Romney for the GOP nomination last time he ran. I saw him speak. I like him as a person and think he is a foundationally decent man. But he is not electable, or nominable, now and was not nominable, much less electable then.

    I don’t agree with all his positions but at least I know what they are and that they are not going to change. With Trump, all I knew was that it was going to be a turbulent ride, that he had semi-decent instincts and that as an outsider he would get little actually done. But I voted for him on the grounds that that was a damn sight better than Cacklepants Cankles Evita Lurleen Psycho Bitch.

    Ironically, if I were a WN first and foremost I would have voted for the diseased battleaxe on the grounds that she might have been the one to bring the empire down for good. And she might have. But while I have some sympathy for the WN position, I’m too damn old for a revolution myself.

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    I agree. Well said.

    I voted for Paul in 2008 and 2012 as a vehicle of protest. He is, I think, a good man, but he was a lousy candidate. In particular he was a poor public speaker.

    His son is much better as a public speaker, unfortunately he has become a poor candidate for other reasons, like going all out to get that vital black Republican vote in Detroit.

    , @Anon
    Trump bought us time and a large number of cuckservative judges who genuinely at least believe in the rule of law, and that is going to help us out quite a lot in the years to come.
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  189. Someone might ask Jeff Sessions and other eternal bigots what makes an El Salvadoran, Iranian or Haitian any different.

    Jeff Sess. The Eternal Gentile.

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  190. @anon
    but the pressure on Jews by other Jews must be exponentially worse.

    Right, and do you know why it's so much worse? Because the percentage of them that are staunch Democrats is so much higher.

    Why would the pressure on them be exponentially worse, if there really was this "silent majority" that's against destroying America?

    Peer pressure.
    My musician friend doesn’t assume I’m going to agree with him.
    Actually, I wonder how many people in many supposedly liberal enclaves–academia, the performing arts–secretly vote conservative, terrified that Someone will find out and destroy their careers, when the people they’re worried about may be doing the same thing.

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  191. @Anonymous
    Avoid the anesthesia if I were you..

    He’s not that kind of Dr.

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  192. @Rosamond Vincy
    How much you want to bet that middle-class Jews in suburbia (as opposed to Manhattan NYT readers) quietly wish that Stephens would just shut the @#$& up?

    Middle class Jews in suburbia are avid readers of the NYSlimes.

    They are adamantly pro unlimited immigration, and supported gay marriage transgender bathrooms, affirmative action discrimination against Whites and everything the Jewish NYSlimes has advocated

    NYSlimes isn’t the only Jewish publication. There are more than a thousand Jewish community publications in America. I read them often. They all stick to the party line.

    Sone of them are online. Check them out

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    OK, I'll have a look. Got any titles besides the NYT, (which I bothered with when I lived in NY only if I was job-hunting)?

    I wonder if those things are read all that much outside the Eastern seaboard. Few people seem to read either National Review or Mother Jones. I live in the Midwest now, and outside of academia, most middle-class families seem to trend more Truman Democrat or Rockefeller Republican than Hillary lefty. They're not outright conservative, but they detest the Jill Stein/Bernie/Liz Warren types.

    I actually would have expected the pro-Israel types to be intrinsically opposed to the BDS-cuddle-a-Pali types, the second group containing a significant number of lapsed Jewish college-protesting types who want this to be their generation's Vietnam, mostly because their parents are in the first group--but apparently that's not how it works.
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  193. Well if there were no American Jews gentile parents would feel a lot more comfortable if their daughters sought a career in showbusiness .

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  194. @Art Deco
    I personally would love it if Trump ditched the pro-life crowd

    Well, he's shrewder than you are, so that isn't happening.

    The pro life crowd votes.

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  195. @Anonymous
    I know several people who have or have had multiple, concurrent, legal passports. All but one is in fact Jewish. I don't know if the brag, but I've not had to spend a lot of effort to find this out.

    Any American who can lawfully get a second passport who is not planning a political career probably ought to do so, by the way. But very few non-immigrant whites will.

    At one time it was pretty easy to get a Canadian passport for Americans, I doubt that is true now.

    If you are Catholic and in showbiz, or are prominent and a bit of a philanthropist or publicity hound, and aren't a schmuck like Pope Francis the Zeroth (who tried to buy his way in, in a memorable mob scam mentioned in several mob biographies) it is often possible to get in the SMOM. You can also have a go at getting a consular appointment to some little country and they may give you a diplomatic passport that way.

    Otherwise, many countries will give you a passport if one parent or two grandparents were citizens of their country. If you or your father (or in the case of, say, military nurses, like Houlihan on MASH, your mother) served in the US military overseas in a capacity that the country considers really significant occasionally they will issue one too.

    And of course if you are a bonafide Jew, there is always Israel.

    And of course if you are a bonafide Jew, there is always Israel.

    And if you are Israeli

    Tens of thousands of Israelis seek EU passports

    https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/tens-of-thousands-of-israelis-seek-eu-passports-1.358665

    http://www.newsweek.com/2015/08/28/whats-behind-surge-israelis-seeking-eu-citizenship-362904.html
    Between 400,000 and 500,000 Israelis have a European passport, says Yossi Harpaz, a doctoral student at Princeton University, more than double the estimated figure in 2000. Add that to the 500,000 Israelis who already have American, Russian and/or other passports, and that’s about 1 million people, or roughly 1 in 8 Israelis, who have dual citizenship.

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    As always, I have the same question: where are white people supposed to go?

    Once their lands have been stolen out from under them, where should white people go?

    Daresay most of us know the answer, and it ain't pretty.
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  196. @utu

    And of course if you are a bonafide Jew, there is always Israel.
     
    And if you are Israeli

    Tens of thousands of Israelis seek EU passports
    https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/tens-of-thousands-of-israelis-seek-eu-passports-1.358665

    http://www.newsweek.com/2015/08/28/whats-behind-surge-israelis-seeking-eu-citizenship-362904.html
    Between 400,000 and 500,000 Israelis have a European passport, says Yossi Harpaz, a doctoral student at Princeton University, more than double the estimated figure in 2000. Add that to the 500,000 Israelis who already have American, Russian and/or other passports, and that’s about 1 million people, or roughly 1 in 8 Israelis, who have dual citizenship.
     

    As always, I have the same question: where are white people supposed to go?

    Once their lands have been stolen out from under them, where should white people go?

    Daresay most of us know the answer, and it ain’t pretty.

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  197. @Rosamond Vincy
    How much you want to bet that middle-class Jews in suburbia (as opposed to Manhattan NYT readers) quietly wish that Stephens would just shut the @#$& up?

    You must be right. This article is particularly embarrassing. It seems to be using the ‘high value’ of himself to argue for endless immigration forever.

    Which is like one potential wedding guest arguing (not joking) that the entire wedding destination should change in order that they might be able to attend…because they are quite fun or something.

    I suspect that Brett Stephens sees it as another side of the classic idiocy of ‘I was let in so I need to pay it back and not pull the ladder up.’

    This makes him beyond stupid in his unexamined advocacy of the received wisdom. Were someone to adopt the same attitude to a dinner party at mine, and infilatrate another few randoms in uninvited, to pay me back, I’d throw him out, taking care to bang him against the door frame and walls as I did so.

    It is not a perfect analogy. Brett has not occasionally infiltrated people into America. He is only propogandising for it but reasonable people allow for some escalation in response. It is obvious he should go back to Israel.

    Then again, nebbish, victim-claiming Stephens probably did not feel a hundred percent good about himself in a place where the founding myth is increasingly Massada (a heroic-tragic Alamo on steroids…against the Romans not the Mexicans) and not the Holocaust. I wonder if he has ever admitted to himself his sense of emasculated unease?

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    I suspect that Brett Stephens sees it as another side of the classic idiocy of ‘I was let in so I need to pay it back and not pull the ladder up.'... This makes him beyond stupid in his unexamined advocacy of the received wisdom.
     
    This received wisdom needs much more push back. I'm working on a pithy comeback along the lines of, "you wouldn't be here except that a penis was in your mother's vagina; does it thus follow that any penis should be allowed into your mother's vagina?"
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Mark Twain wrote a story ridiculing that idea. It starts with a typical Victorian morality tale about an established man helping a young man, reveals that both are now famous writers--and then Twain adds his cynical coda, in which the young man starts moving his entire extended family into his patron's house, where they all become so tiresome that the owner eventually throws them all out and regrets his initial good deed.

    As for Israel, they have compulsory military service, and the ideal is closer to Joshua and Judges than some foo-foo Cadillac hippie singing Kumbaya. I suspect they'd consider Stephens whatever the Middle-Eastern term is for "a wuss."

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  198. Interesting question:

    Perhaps founding stock Americans would still be running the land their ancestors had to fight for.

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  199. @Jefferson
    "A 50%+ intermarriage rate hardly indicates a lack of assimilation."

    Most Millennial Jews don't have 2 Jewish parents.

    You can not say the same thing about Hispanic, African American, and Asian Millennials.

    Most Hispanic Millennials have 2 Hispanic parents, most Asian Millennials have 2 Asian parents, and most African American Millennials have 2 African American parents which is why most African American Millennials are not High Yellas and still have a Chocolate complexion.

    Where have you been? I have missed your very unique, autistic writing style.

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    What’s your diagnosis?
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  200. > aren’t making the same mistake of giving citizenship to high-IQ immigrants from, say, India or China

    There is a path to citizenship for non-Jews in Israel, and it’s NOT ==ridiculously== difficult

    There is an even easier path to Permanent Residency – stay off welfare, stay out of trouble, keep your kids in a Hebrew-speaking school, and have them complete their Army service with an Honorable Discharge

    The Indian nanny who rescued the 2-year old toddler of the Lubavitcher couple that got slaughtered in cold blood in Mumbai by Pakistanis….. was given Israeli citizenship. She actually lives in Afula. You could visit her. She did find some employment and is apparently floating in the lower-middle class in Afula – she has enough money to visit her family in India once a year. I’m told she still attends the Afula Roman Catholic church.

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  201. @Jefferson
    A whopping 80% of Evangelicals voted for Donald Trump, so I doubt very much most Evangelicals will side with Bret Stephens on immigration.

    But would they side with Bret Stephens on the JQ? That was my point. Megachurch Evangelicals would agree with the likely atheist but still Jewish Bret Stephens on the centrality of the Jewish people in the cosmos and American life.

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  202. @istevefan

    A 50%+ intermarriage rate hardly indicates a lack of assimilation.
     
    That is a good point, but let's drill down a bit. First, by intermarriage I assume you mean an Ashkenazi to a white gentile. If so, what is the concern? By definition Ashkenazis came into being by intermarriage with white gentiles in the first place. Did Jewish leaders 1900 years ago lament all the intermarriage between Jewish men in Rome and the locals? So long as the women became Jews and the kids were raised Jews, I don't think they saw this as a problem. So why would this be a problem today? So long as the intermarriage is along the lines of Ivanka Trump and not Barry Goldwater's parents, I don't see why this is a problem.

    Second, gentile whites in America must have close to a 90 percent intermarriage rate if you just consider one Euro ethnic group marrying a different one. I myself probably have about 5 different Euro ethnicities and maybe more. Gentile whites have intermarried with one another in the USA so much that we don't even call it intermarriage whenever they marry.

    Third, Jews are still listed at about 2 percent of the population. Isn't that pretty consistent with what they have been for quite some time? If so that would tend to indicate that the intermarriages with white gentiles tend to produce folks who identify as Jews. Whether or not they are religious is another question. But it appears that the proportion of Jews in America has remained level at 2 percent. Meanwhile the proportion of white gentiles has dropped from around 86 percent to the mid 60s, or almost by 25%. If the Jewish proportion, or black, or any group besides whites dropped by such an amount, the media would treat it as a tragedy.

    165 istevefan > So long as the women became Jews and the kids were raised Jews, I don’t think they saw this as a problem

    Christians don’t all agree on which day is Easter, and Jews don’t all agree on “who is a Jew”

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  203. @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    He looks forward to the fawning and gushing from megachurch Evangelicals
     
    I'll bet you don't know any megachurch Evangelicals, do you?

    Yeah, I must not know them the way you do because I’ve seen zero evidence that any of them would practice proper Jew-diligence when presented with Bret Stephens’ “modest proposal”.

    Would any of those weepy, pastel-coloured, IHOP Christians point out any missteps so far in the magical mystery tour of Jews in America? Like hell they would.

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  205. Today, American Jews are widely considered the model minority, so thoroughly assimilated that organizational Jewish energies are now largely devoted to protecting our religious and cultural distinctiveness.

    To even have over-assimilation in your concept-space (and with negative connotations to boot) proves you’re not assimilated.

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  206. @Jefferson
    Does Bret Stephens really believe Jewish immigrants are 100% comparable with Haitian immigrants? In Haiti people eat cookies that are made out of mud and sand because that's how extremely poor they are. Were Jews in Germany, Russia, Poland, Ukraine, etc eating sand mud cookies? No they weren't. Not even Mexicans eat sand mud cookies let alone Jews and Mexicans are a lot less affluent than Jews. It's apples and oranges. Apples and apples would be comparing Somali immigrants with Haitian immigrants.

    I’d rather have Haitians than Jews. We have more than enough smart people, but too many Jews are into tearing down our Angl0-Saxon and Christian culture. Imagine jailing people for arguing about the “Holocaust.” Imagine making it a hate crime to wish someone Merry Christmas. Imagine encouraging kids to rat out their parents. Imagine making a hero out of the likes of Abbie Hoffman or Ho Chi Minh. And they’re always kvetching about some injustice or other when they aren’t writing X-rated children’s books to de-Christianize the kiddies.

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  207. @Jefferson
    "They voted 80 percent for Trump because he is a Republican. They would have voted 80 percent for any other dude up there too, aside from perhaps Rand Paul because he doesn’t love Israel enough. I don’t think they care that much about immigration one way or the other"

    Evangelicals could have sat out the election like the Mormons did, but they didn't they still came out and voted for Donald Trump in record numbers.

    I doubt even the Alt-Right voted anywhere close to 80% for Donald Trump. A lot of the Alt-Right have the same mentality as Christopher Cantwell in that they hate Donald Trump for letting his daughter marry a Jew.

    Donald Trump's most loyal supporters are Evangelicals not the Alt-Right. The Alt-Right would prefer to see Ron Paul over Donald Trump as POTUS by a huge landslide.

    The Alt-Right would prefer to see Ron Paul over Donald Trump as POTUS by a huge landslide.

    Lol, are you high? Ron Paul never comes up, libertarianism is seen as a joke. Or more than one joke; it’s fertile ground in that way.

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  208. @Achilles

    Would the United States have been better off if it had banned Jewish immigration sometime in the late 19th century
     
    And then we continued to ban Jewish immigration thereafter?

    It would mean an enormous difference for America.

    Imagine a communist movement in the US that was of only negligible importance.

    Imagine university faculty not ranged in hostility against America, whites and Christianity. Cultural marxist movements would have had far less influence in the US.

    Imagine a Hollywood that was not consumed with hatred of traditional America and white gentiles.

    Imagine no Alinsky. And no New Left - the leadership of the New Left was dominated by Jews. The social upheavals of the 1960s would have been far different and a lot less damaging to American society.

    No NAACP - the Jewish effort to supplant the Black Christian church as the political leadership of blacks would never have happened. Race relations in the US would be much better off without the Jewish-dominated media constantly pushing narratives such as Ferguson, Trayvon, Freddie Gray, etc. for the purpose of inciting hatred against whites and stoking racial discord.

    No 1965 immigration act - instead of increasing balkanization, tribalism and Third World populations, there would be much greater assimilation and unity.

    Imagine what schools curricula would be like without the influence of Howard Zinn and other Jews pushing anti-American themes in the schools.

    The victories of the radical left in constitutional law, feminism, environmentalism and many other areas would be greatly reduced.

    And on and on. Really, the influence of Jews is so large in so many areas of American society it's hard to imagine what the US would be like today without the wave of Eastern European Jews and their concomitant social radicalism, anti-Americanism and grievance agenda against white gentiles.

    I agree. I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood and had close Jewish friends, but in most cases their hostility to America and its Christian traditions was as evident as their efficiency in attacking those traditions. Nearly all of them were Democrats, as were most of the Italians and Irish, but only Jews seemed to be rooting for the Soviet Union in the Cold War. When the antiwar movement and counter-culture started up the Jewish kids were the first to grow their hair long, use drugs, and put up posters of Che Guevara. Nearly all of them became self-described radicals and socialists. I do give the Jews credit for a good sense of humor and a lot of good movies and Broadway shows and music back in the day when they were still trying to assimilate. Stephens to the contrary, I don’t regard someone like Spielberg as “assimilated” but as a cultural invader.

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  209. @Tyrion 2
    You must be right. This article is particularly embarrassing. It seems to be using the 'high value' of himself to argue for endless immigration forever.

    Which is like one potential wedding guest arguing (not joking) that the entire wedding destination should change in order that they might be able to attend...because they are quite fun or something.

    I suspect that Brett Stephens sees it as another side of the classic idiocy of 'I was let in so I need to pay it back and not pull the ladder up.'

    This makes him beyond stupid in his unexamined advocacy of the received wisdom. Were someone to adopt the same attitude to a dinner party at mine, and infilatrate another few randoms in uninvited, to pay me back, I'd throw him out, taking care to bang him against the door frame and walls as I did so.

    It is not a perfect analogy. Brett has not occasionally infiltrated people into America. He is only propogandising for it but reasonable people allow for some escalation in response. It is obvious he should go back to Israel.

    Then again, nebbish, victim-claiming Stephens probably did not feel a hundred percent good about himself in a place where the founding myth is increasingly Massada (a heroic-tragic Alamo on steroids...against the Romans not the Mexicans) and not the Holocaust. I wonder if he has ever admitted to himself his sense of emasculated unease?

    I suspect that Brett Stephens sees it as another side of the classic idiocy of ‘I was let in so I need to pay it back and not pull the ladder up.’… This makes him beyond stupid in his unexamined advocacy of the received wisdom.

    This received wisdom needs much more push back. I’m working on a pithy comeback along the lines of, “you wouldn’t be here except that a penis was in your mother’s vagina; does it thus follow that any penis should be allowed into your mother’s vagina?”

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  210. @Achilles
    Hey, Bret Stephens' idea might just become a thing. Circulating at Amazon:

    Amazon Studios
    Office of the CEO

    Memorandum to: Strategy; Programming; Legal

    The New York Times has broached a fascinating question of alternate history: What if the great wave of Jewish immigration from Europe to the United States that began in the 19th Century had never happened?

    Folks, I want ideas, storylines and characters for a new alternate history series based on this concept. What would America be like today under these conditions?

    For example, without Jews, would Americans today be able to feed and clothe themselves? How would they manage those tasks? What about running water and sewage systems? Would that be beyond their reach without Jews? Would there be money or would it be a barter economy?

    And what about intellectual life? Would there be books in America today? Would there be comedy? Music? Perhaps they still would have come up with something like "Dueling Banjos" on their own.

    Let's get right on this. This could be our next Man In the High Castle!

    Legal, do we need a release from NYT? Get back to me ASAP.

    A.C.
     

    Haha, Achilles, you had me until about the end of paragraph 3!

    Speaking of the Legal department, just in case Bezos gets a gander at iSteve, you’d better sell all your shit right now, Be like those youtube guys: “I OWN NOTHING! DON’T SUE ME!”

    Yes, America would have always have had Dueling Banjos. So, there’s that.

    About this Bret Stephens – talk about your genetic deficiencies …

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  211. @Yak-15
    Stephens digging a foxhole on the hill of “Haitians = Jews” is baffling stupid. Remember when Jews turned a tropical, verdant paradise next to a friendly superpower into a barren, wasteland with open sewage running through the streets?

    It is simply insane he cannot grasp that these people are incapable of contributing to an advanced society. I bet he probably doesn’t even know any Haitians personally.

    This is why it’s best to look at liberalism through the guise of a strict religious order.

    This is why it’s best to look at liberalism through the guise of a strict religious order.

    … or a mental illness, one. It’s six and a half dozen or the other thing….

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  213. Apart from Richard Feynman we could have done without any of them.

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  214. @Forbes
    Stephens' "what if" strikes me as mental and moral masturbation--momentarily gratifying but completely unproductive, an exercise best conducted alone and not in public.

    The lack of respect that chumps like Stephens has for the pre-Ellis Island Americans is truly breathtaking.

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  215. @Cagey Beast
    Right now, Glenn Beck is screaming and crying and begging for forgiveness on behalf of all the un-Chosen for making Brett Stephens even wonder whether America should have taken in the Special Ones.

    I think Stephens is asking this question for kicks. He looks forward to the fawning and gushing from megachurch Evangelicals -- who he detests -- and the response of social media anti-Semites, who will recharge his Jewish batteries with their hate.

    Twitter hate is the only thing keeping the Times in the public consciousness anymore.

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  216. We should have closed the borders in 1800. All immigration has been harmful to the American nation.

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  217. @Ivy
    Jonathan Swift had his own modest proposal in 1729, so ahead of his time.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

    Exactly. And the original was well written and witty.

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  218. @syonredux

    A Modest Immigration Proposal: Ban Jews
     
    Well, that would mean that we wouldn't have to read crap articles by Jewish journos about how immigrants from Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East are just like the steerage-class passengers who came through Ellis Island a century ago.....That would be something of a net positive...

    “Well, that would mean that we wouldn’t have to read crap articles by Jewish journos …”

    That’s not the real problem. You can read or not read.

    The real problem is that Jews voted 70% – 80% for Obama and certainly for Hillary. Thus, electoral-wise, importing Jews is like importing Puerto Ricans, as the joke goes. In a close race, this can tip the scales for an immigration-positive administration. In other words, there are more negative effects to importing liberal Jews than bad articles.

    The real paradox is that the Jews are not being ruthlessly smart. They’re being stupid. Any country importing hoards of Muslims becomes hostile for Jews. So, the Jews are quite literally fouling their own nests by advocating open immigration. And the line that the objective is to help Israel is also hokey; Israel would have a much harder time surviving without a strong, nationalist US. I don’t mean foreign aid to Israel, which ought to be discontinued. I mean, an America with the strength and self-confidence to oppose the international sanctions of Israel driven by the OIC and Muslim-leftist coalitions.

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  219. @Jefferson
    "There might be some remaining enclaves of white ethnics that still cling to their past. Perhaps the Cajuns of Louisiana might come to mind, or maybe some Greeks in some place like Astoria, NY. But for the most part, various European Americans have been absorbed into the whole and most of us of European descent are English-speaking, thoroughly-mixed, Euro-mutts who at present don’t even think of ourselves as a group with common interests. (Note: the thought of us ever coming together politically scares the hell out of our betters.)"

    I've never met a Jew in 21st Century America who was not fluent in English.



    "No assimilation is something else. It is the absorption of your group into the whole. It is the loss of your distinctiveness and culture."

    The loss off distinctiveness and culture? You must have never step foot in an Italian enclave in the Tri-State area or been to The Feast Of San Gennaro or a Columbus Day Parade.

    There are definitely clear cultural differences between New York Italians and North Dakota WASPs for example.

    @104 Jefferson: “I’ve never met a Jew in 21st Century America who was not fluent in English.”

    And you, of course, know all the most representative Jews. There are tens of thousands of Haredi Jews who live, dress, speak, worship, and believe like their shtetl ancestors in 17th and 18th century Poland. They all speak Yiddish exclusively at home and most of their children know little to nothing about American history or the rest of Western civilization. What English they have is akin to English as a foreign language – and these people breed prolifically – and the goyim get to pay to support them all via welfare and fraud.

    “The loss off distinctiveness and culture? You must have never step foot in an Italian enclave in the Tri-State area or been to The Feast Of San Gennaro or a Columbus Day Parade.”

    Yeah, I guess you weren’t around the other day when I noted that more than a few Italian Americans had never moved beyond the hyphenation stage. And no, I was not saying that in an admiring tone.

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  220. @Mike P.
    Why don't "my people" (Catholics) whistle this sort of tune as often as Jews do? The Catholic bishops make similar noises, of course, but it seems like most lay Catholics don't really think like this, or aren't as vocal about it. Most non-Hispanic white Catholics certainly don't vote on this basis.

    (Incidentally, one reason that the Catholic bishops are more focused on this issue than lay Catholics might be ethnicity, too. By my count, 33% (58/177) of U.S. bishops have Irish last names. I'm not sure what share of the U.S. Catholic population thinks of itself as 'Irish'? Could it be that the U.S. bishops are (still) more likely to be Irish than the U.S. Catholic population as a whole? In my experience Catholics descended from Irish immigrants do seem to be more vulnerable to ethnic schmaltz appeals than do Catholics descended from Italian, German, eastern European, etc., immigrants.)

    … Catholics descended from Irish immigrants do seem to be more vulnerable to ethnic schmaltz appeals than do Catholics descended from Italian, German, eastern European, etc…

    True for me in St. Paul, MN. Scandos are pretty schmaltzophilic too but few are RC.

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  221. M’thinks is pretty much useless to try to use reason with these “Invite all 7 billion humans on planet earth to move to the United States” types – same it is useless to argue with Neo Conservatives who insist that US military intervention in Iraq these last 25 years was a good thing or at least we had good intentions.

    These open borders immigration idiots are enemies or traitors.

    Such enemies, traitors would not be tolerated in a nationalist country like Israel, Japan or Hungary.

    (isn’t it great to have at least one European nation with sane, nationalist leaders like Hungary?)

    There is apparently a very active family organization of the relatives of murdered Americans from 9/11/01.

    Let’s just Dox Bret Stephens and those like him – send the relatives his personal information – where he lives, works, hangs out, let the relatives know about his treason articles and comments and then let regular folks do what Antifa does in places like the University of California Berkeley or Charlottesville.

    Let’s think Right but act Left.

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  222. @Jefferson
    You don't have to wait until 2040, WASPs are already a minority in The U.S in 2018 when you combine Nonwhites (Hispanics, Asians, African Americans) with the U.S census definition of White which includes Slavs, Jews, Italians, Irish, Arabs, Armenians, and some Latinos.

    Ted Kennedy struck a Celtic cross into the heart of WASP America.

    @157 Jefferson: “Ted Kennedy struck a Celtic cross into the heart of WASP America.”

    Plenty of us loathed the lying, cheating, murdering s.o.b., but don’t feel the need to lie about the authors of the Hart-Cellar immigration act. Will you eternally shill for other Ellis Islanders, or will you ever let go of your beloved hyphen?

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  223. @Johann Ricke

    You will never hear any people but Jews boasting to each other about how many passports they have
     
    I haven't heard too many people mention having more than one passport, but of that set of multinational passport holders, not one is a Jew. They've tended to be non-Jewish American citizens, and naturalized Europeans and Latin Americans.

    In my experience Canadian/USA dual citz always seem to mention it.

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  224. @AndrewR
    Where have you been? I have missed your very unique, autistic writing style.

    What’s your diagnosis?

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  225. @Jefferson
    "They voted 80 percent for Trump because he is a Republican. They would have voted 80 percent for any other dude up there too, aside from perhaps Rand Paul because he doesn’t love Israel enough. I don’t think they care that much about immigration one way or the other"

    Evangelicals could have sat out the election like the Mormons did, but they didn't they still came out and voted for Donald Trump in record numbers.

    I doubt even the Alt-Right voted anywhere close to 80% for Donald Trump. A lot of the Alt-Right have the same mentality as Christopher Cantwell in that they hate Donald Trump for letting his daughter marry a Jew.

    Donald Trump's most loyal supporters are Evangelicals not the Alt-Right. The Alt-Right would prefer to see Ron Paul over Donald Trump as POTUS by a huge landslide.

    Donald Trump’s most loyal supporters are Evangelicals not the Alt-Right. The Alt-Right would prefer to see Ron Paul over Donald Trump as POTUS by a huge landslide.

    No. They wouldn’t. A lot of the alt-right probably used to be Paul supporters, but they’ve moved on from libertarianism. They liked Trump becuase he was espousing a more nationalist line and because he had a chance of winning.

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  226. @Anonymous
    Ron Paul is as likely to be President as Debbie Harry is likely to have another chartbusting number one hit record and for the same reason. Both are too damn old.

    And for several other reasons besides.

    I voted for Ron Paul when he ran as a libty and I voted for him in the primary against Romney for the GOP nomination last time he ran. I saw him speak. I like him as a person and think he is a foundationally decent man. But he is not electable, or nominable, now and was not nominable, much less electable then.

    I don't agree with all his positions but at least I know what they are and that they are not going to change. With Trump, all I knew was that it was going to be a turbulent ride, that he had semi-decent instincts and that as an outsider he would get little actually done. But I voted for him on the grounds that that was a damn sight better than Cacklepants Cankles Evita Lurleen Psycho Bitch.

    Ironically, if I were a WN first and foremost I would have voted for the diseased battleaxe on the grounds that she might have been the one to bring the empire down for good. And she might have. But while I have some sympathy for the WN position, I'm too damn old for a revolution myself.

    I agree. Well said.

    I voted for Paul in 2008 and 2012 as a vehicle of protest. He is, I think, a good man, but he was a lousy candidate. In particular he was a poor public speaker.

    His son is much better as a public speaker, unfortunately he has become a poor candidate for other reasons, like going all out to get that vital black Republican vote in Detroit.

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  227. @the Supreme Gentleman
    Stephens' thought process here is truly a mystery to me. Does he really want to choose "if you dislike third world immigration, you should also dislike Jews" as the hill to die on? Can he truly not perceive that forcing people to make this choice will lead to many more people choosing to dislike Jews rather than like third world immigration?

    Stephens’ thought process here is truly a mystery to me. Does he really want to choose “if you dislike third world immigration, you should also dislike Jews” as the hill to die on? Can he truly not perceive that forcing people to make this choice will lead to many more people choosing to dislike Jews rather than like third world immigration?

    Now that you say it, that was pretty much how I went from being libertarian on immigration to being anti-immigration. I was pretty much of the belief that illegal immigration, just being border crossing, was no big deal. Then I noticed that mainstream Latino organizations opposed returning illegal immigrants who committed crimes. Once I understood they were 100% in favor of illegal immigrants committing crimes and being released back in the community, then it was obvious that opposing all illegals was simple self-defense.

    Then I started seeing how criticism of illegal immigration was conflated with opposing all immigration. Self-defense kicks in again.

    So here I am, send ‘em all back. Bret Stephens first.

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  228. @Jefferson
    Why did Ted Kennedy hate the WASPs so much?

    Because he was a plastic paddy

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  229. @J.Ross
    Do we need to recall the "Judea Declares War on Germany" headline?
    You will never hear any people but Jews boasting to each other about how many passports they have and how many more they can get if need be. Ostensibly this is to escape a new holocaust, but it just so happens to be very convenient for intelligence work. I'm sure that's just a coincidence, because it's not like Jews were ever caught using the passports of neutral countries to set up an assassination or anything.
    And it would be in line with Zionism to encourage Jews to go straight to Israel and resist the temptation to live in the American Babylon.
    We could call it "The Brett Stephens Act."

    I think as a general policy, a country should not allow its citizens to hold dual citizenship. It creates loyalty problems. I don’t know if by multiple passports, you mean dual citizenships or just the right to unrestricted entry, without voting or political rights.

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    No, just passports (I agree on dual citizenship, especially regarding anyone who wants to serve in government). A lot of European countries made it easy to get passports or citizenship for talented first world people, often based on some ancestral residency claim, sometimes just brazenly to attract talent. In some cases this has reversed. If you had an Israeli of country X ancestry, who studied for a significant length of time in country Y, before becoming a naturalized American, that could be four passports and at least two citizenships.
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  230. Here’s a thought experiment: imagine if Bret Stephens had married a Haitian- American and then a Salvadorian-American (instead of doing what he actually did and taking a highly intelligent and cultured Jewish American as his wife; and then taking another highly intelligent and cultured Jewish American to be his second, similar looking, wife).

    Then one could say, Stephens doesn’t think that if you want a highly intelligent and cultured wife, you need to exclude non-Jewish American ladies from consideration.

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  231. The late Lawrence Auster replied to Bret Stephens’s question on May 27, 2006:

    If America had known when admitting Jewish immigrants between 1880 and 1920 that the descendants of those immigrants would oppose America’s right to have any future control over immigration, would America have admitted those immigrants in the first place?
    As a descendant of Eastern Europe Jews, I never would have imagined that to be descended from immigrants requires a person to have more allegiance to future prospective immigrants than to America; nor would most European-Americans who are descended from 19th and early 20th century immigrants imagine such a thing. But many Jews, as well as many Catholics, think otherwise. They think that because they come from immigrants, their sacred mission in the universe is to crusade for open borders and deny any ability on America’s part to have any say about who comes into this country.
    I say that this is a legitimate point to make to the open-borders Jews and Catholics. “Was this part of the deal when your grandparents were admitted into America? That the fact that America let your grandparents into this country requires you to subvert America’s national existence? In that case, your grandparents shouldn’t have been admitted in the first place.” If people started saying these things to the open-borders Jews and Catholics, it would shock at least some of them into realizing how offensive their position is to other Americans, and they would shut up.

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005744.html

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    If people started saying these things to the open-borders Jews and Catholics, it would shock at least some of them into realizing how offensive their position is to other Americans, and they would shut up.
     
    This claim is clearly very dated...
    , @Art Deco
    I don't think rank-and-file Catholics tend to be hostile to immigration enforcement. The guises and poses you're observing come from the Church-o-cracy. I suspect if you carefully questioned a random sample of church apparatchicks you'd discover their attitudes are about the same as a random selection of non-profit-sector employees (though, perhaps more sensible than human-services professionals). There have been scandals from time to time about the hobbies of Catholic school personnel and the like. Most of the people drawing salaries from the Church don't actually subscribe to its teachings.


    As for parish clergy, being of assistance to people (in modest ways) is likely the least frustrating part of their job. This sometimes clouds their thinking.

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  232. @SFG
    There is this site called Breitbart. Some of you might have heard of it.

    Seriously Trump got a pretty awful (though actually typical for Republicans) 21-24% of the Jewish vote, with the only demographic slice going majority for Trump being married Jewish men. Apparently according to the NYT he lost 6-8 points among most groups, with the lowest decline among Jews, probably because the second Holocaust never happened.

    Apparently the Orthodox like him better and have more kids, but by the time the Jewish population is majority Republican we'll look like Brazil.

    “…Trump got a pretty awful (though actually typical for Republicans) 21-24% of the Jewish vote, with the only demographic slice going majority for Trump being married Jewish men.”

    I wonder how often the GOP has carried even the married male Jewish vote, during U.S. Presidential elections? Has it ever happened before 2016? My guess is, it happened in 1980, but I suspect that was the only other instance of it having occurred.

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  233. @nebulafox
    I personally would love it if Trump ditched the pro-life crowd (thus spoketh Dubya: "human rights don't stop at the Rio Grand...") and began offering subsidies, arms transfers, whatever it takes to any African government willing to push mass birth control/family planning programs, but that's just me. What will the white evangelicals end up doing? They aren't going to go for the Democratic Party of 2020, that's for sure. And that's before we begin supporting the right of Central American migrant women to control their own reproductive capacities by building abortion clinics in the inner city... and Democrats will have an interesting explanation as to why they are against oppressed women's rights.

    I just don't buy the idea that Trump is at all a true believer in the vein of Dubya. The man is an NYC playboy billionaire with three wives, run-ins with porn stars, and an acceptable relationship with the local LGBT community. Then there's Studio 54.

    I personally would love it if Trump ditched the pro-life crowd…

    Personally I think it would suck, if he did something that would pointlessly throw away his chances in the 2020 re-election battle. Which is precisely what would happen, if he ditched the pro-life crowd. I’m not sure how someone can not realize that, but whatever.

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    This. Trump, who has pretty much been a lifelong reproductive freedom supporter, is doing the actual job of president in making a polite acknowledgement of a sizable group that of late have been declared unpersons. There are no downsides. There's really not even a news story here. Presidents used to do this and it didn't mean loyalty, it meant respect.
    This morning BBC radio blatted a montage of American newsmedia handwringing over the Trump administration's various alleged terminations, then aired the second of two episodes of "Hard Talk" in which Steven Sacher attempted to drill into the listener's skull that "Trump is a racist." That seems to be the line they're coalescing around. Hearing the completely unhinged BBC just repeat "Trump is a racist" like they were Pol Pot's state propaganda and not Britain's was very interesting right after having read that comment about how it was probably Britain if anyone who interfered in the election (out of fear that Trump would weaken NATO).
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  234. anon • Disclaimer says:

    “Only Mass Deportation Can Save America

    Bret Stephens JUNE 16, 2017

    They need to return whence they came.” NYT

    Haven’t we heard this before? That did not end well for Helen Thomas. She was stripped of her intellectual professional social and political positions and status . She was called anti Semite, a crime that is now performed by Bret
    She was ambushed by a rabbi who also made an equally obnoxious video on Mexican . Bret offers his advice without asking and does it openly.

    May be we all anti Semite because we tolerate the new antisemitism that Bret directs to us without fear of retaliation or comeuppance .

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  235. @Mark Eugenikos
    The late Lawrence Auster replied to Bret Stephens's question on May 27, 2006:

    If America had known when admitting Jewish immigrants between 1880 and 1920 that the descendants of those immigrants would oppose America’s right to have any future control over immigration, would America have admitted those immigrants in the first place?
    As a descendant of Eastern Europe Jews, I never would have imagined that to be descended from immigrants requires a person to have more allegiance to future prospective immigrants than to America; nor would most European-Americans who are descended from 19th and early 20th century immigrants imagine such a thing. But many Jews, as well as many Catholics, think otherwise. They think that because they come from immigrants, their sacred mission in the universe is to crusade for open borders and deny any ability on America’s part to have any say about who comes into this country.
    I say that this is a legitimate point to make to the open-borders Jews and Catholics. “Was this part of the deal when your grandparents were admitted into America? That the fact that America let your grandparents into this country requires you to subvert America’s national existence? In that case, your grandparents shouldn’t have been admitted in the first place.” If people started saying these things to the open-borders Jews and Catholics, it would shock at least some of them into realizing how offensive their position is to other Americans, and they would shut up.

     

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005744.html

    If people started saying these things to the open-borders Jews and Catholics, it would shock at least some of them into realizing how offensive their position is to other Americans, and they would shut up.

    This claim is clearly very dated…

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  236. @Mark Eugenikos
    The late Lawrence Auster replied to Bret Stephens's question on May 27, 2006:

    If America had known when admitting Jewish immigrants between 1880 and 1920 that the descendants of those immigrants would oppose America’s right to have any future control over immigration, would America have admitted those immigrants in the first place?
    As a descendant of Eastern Europe Jews, I never would have imagined that to be descended from immigrants requires a person to have more allegiance to future prospective immigrants than to America; nor would most European-Americans who are descended from 19th and early 20th century immigrants imagine such a thing. But many Jews, as well as many Catholics, think otherwise. They think that because they come from immigrants, their sacred mission in the universe is to crusade for open borders and deny any ability on America’s part to have any say about who comes into this country.
    I say that this is a legitimate point to make to the open-borders Jews and Catholics. “Was this part of the deal when your grandparents were admitted into America? That the fact that America let your grandparents into this country requires you to subvert America’s national existence? In that case, your grandparents shouldn’t have been admitted in the first place.” If people started saying these things to the open-borders Jews and Catholics, it would shock at least some of them into realizing how offensive their position is to other Americans, and they would shut up.

     

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005744.html

    I don’t think rank-and-file Catholics tend to be hostile to immigration enforcement. The guises and poses you’re observing come from the Church-o-cracy. I suspect if you carefully questioned a random sample of church apparatchicks you’d discover their attitudes are about the same as a random selection of non-profit-sector employees (though, perhaps more sensible than human-services professionals). There have been scandals from time to time about the hobbies of Catholic school personnel and the like. Most of the people drawing salaries from the Church don’t actually subscribe to its teachings.

    As for parish clergy, being of assistance to people (in modest ways) is likely the least frustrating part of their job. This sometimes clouds their thinking.

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    A major key is the fake charities, many of which are run by or tied to churches, making millions off of "refugee" resettlement. There is also an additional motive for the Catholic hierarchy: they've got a lot more pews than parishoners, and in many dioceses already have "saved" a church by embracing a Spanish-speaking future.
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  237. @Tyrion 2
    You must be right. This article is particularly embarrassing. It seems to be using the 'high value' of himself to argue for endless immigration forever.

    Which is like one potential wedding guest arguing (not joking) that the entire wedding destination should change in order that they might be able to attend...because they are quite fun or something.

    I suspect that Brett Stephens sees it as another side of the classic idiocy of 'I was let in so I need to pay it back and not pull the ladder up.'

    This makes him beyond stupid in his unexamined advocacy of the received wisdom. Were someone to adopt the same attitude to a dinner party at mine, and infilatrate another few randoms in uninvited, to pay me back, I'd throw him out, taking care to bang him against the door frame and walls as I did so.

    It is not a perfect analogy. Brett has not occasionally infiltrated people into America. He is only propogandising for it but reasonable people allow for some escalation in response. It is obvious he should go back to Israel.

    Then again, nebbish, victim-claiming Stephens probably did not feel a hundred percent good about himself in a place where the founding myth is increasingly Massada (a heroic-tragic Alamo on steroids...against the Romans not the Mexicans) and not the Holocaust. I wonder if he has ever admitted to himself his sense of emasculated unease?

    Mark Twain wrote a story ridiculing that idea. It starts with a typical Victorian morality tale about an established man helping a young man, reveals that both are now famous writers–and then Twain adds his cynical coda, in which the young man starts moving his entire extended family into his patron’s house, where they all become so tiresome that the owner eventually throws them all out and regrets his initial good deed.

    As for Israel, they have compulsory military service, and the ideal is closer to Joshua and Judges than some foo-foo Cadillac hippie singing Kumbaya. I suspect they’d consider Stephens whatever the Middle-Eastern term is for “a wuss.”

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    http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3184/3184-h/3184-h.htm#link2H_4_0003
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  238. @nebulafox
    My very "Old Left" style brother-think Gompers, FDR, etc-uses this as his main argument, along with the obvious effect on American workers, to limit immigration. And to encourage birth control in Africa using any means necessary.

    I particularly like that “using any means necessary”.

    No adults, no babies.

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  239. @RonaldB
    I think as a general policy, a country should not allow its citizens to hold dual citizenship. It creates loyalty problems. I don't know if by multiple passports, you mean dual citizenships or just the right to unrestricted entry, without voting or political rights.

    Issuing a passport is not synonymous with conferring citizenship. Many countries issue passports to non citizens under certain conditions.

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  240. @Alden
    Middle class Jews in suburbia are avid readers of the NYSlimes.

    They are adamantly pro unlimited immigration, and supported gay marriage transgender bathrooms, affirmative action discrimination against Whites and everything the Jewish NYSlimes has advocated

    NYSlimes isn’t the only Jewish publication. There are more than a thousand Jewish community publications in America. I read them often. They all stick to the party line.

    Sone of them are online. Check them out

    OK, I’ll have a look. Got any titles besides the NYT, (which I bothered with when I lived in NY only if I was job-hunting)?

    I wonder if those things are read all that much outside the Eastern seaboard. Few people seem to read either National Review or Mother Jones. I live in the Midwest now, and outside of academia, most middle-class families seem to trend more Truman Democrat or Rockefeller Republican than Hillary lefty. They’re not outright conservative, but they detest the Jill Stein/Bernie/Liz Warren types.

    I actually would have expected the pro-Israel types to be intrinsically opposed to the BDS-cuddle-a-Pali types, the second group containing a significant number of lapsed Jewish college-protesting types who want this to be their generation’s Vietnam, mostly because their parents are in the first group–but apparently that’s not how it works.

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    most middle-class families seem to trend more Truman Democrat or Rockefeller Republican than Hillary lefty.

    Rockefeller Republicans might amount to about 3% of the electorate. Members of Congress you might describe that way sum to zero. Susan Collins is left fringe in the Congressional Republican caucus, and her actual voting record is ambivalent between camps. Truman Democrats? No such animal anymore.
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  241. @Old Palo Altan
    His evidence is his eyes and his brain. He's a noticer.
    He's right too - in fact I'd wager that that boat is not even from Europe, but more likely a pleasure vessel of some kind. Some of those shown are too well dressed to be either tired or poor, and look like they will decamp to their comfortable apartments in (old) Harlem once they have disembarked.

    Jews, at any rate, they are not.

    I 100% agree. The guys don’t look Jewish, they don’t look like immigrants, it’s all wrong for a Jewish immigrant photo. That being said, immigrants did often sail on American (or English) flag ships. My wife’s family came on the SS Haverford sailing the Hamburg – Liverpool-Philadelphia route (not all immigrants landed at Ellis Island).

    THIS is what immigrants looked like: