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As I was mentioning yesterday, a striking fraction of News lately has been deemed to be women complaining about office politics. And now today … from the NYT:

The Bill-Melinda Gates Romance Started With a Rejection

She recounts her evolution to feminist in her new memoir.

By Nicholas Kristof
Opinion Columnist

April 24, 2019

… One of Melinda’s first challenges came in the harsh, male-dominated techie culture at Microsoft. “It was just so brash, so argumentative and competitive, with people fighting to the end on every point,” she writes. She began thinking about quitting.

Then she found a woman colleague, Charlotte Guyman, who felt the same. “It’s not O.K. for women to cry at work, but it’s O.K. for men to yell at work?” Guyman once asked. With other women employees, they began to create oases in Microsoft where courtesy was not seen as a sign of weakness. A critical mass of women employees helped civilize the company.

Which is why Microsoft has produced so much great software in the 21st Century.

Anyway, you might think that in the entire history of office politics, Melinda Gates could be the biggest single winner: after all, she married The Richest Man in the World. But self-awareness is not a priority these days.

 
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  1. El Dato says:

    She recounts her evolution to feminist in her new memoir.

    Another HULK experiment gone wrong!!

    Did the lady read “Microserfs”? It’s been in print since ’95.

    It starts with a poor developer how has been yelled at by Billy The Gates himself and thus feels a bit depressed (disturbingly, being yelled at by a nerd who programs dirtyly, moans about muh intellectual property and generally shits on customers is not a cause for a Biggus Dickus moment). So the dev barricades himself in his office and refuses to come out. His colleagues, afraid he might die of hunger in there, try to find biscuits small enough to slip under the door…

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Curious Person
  2. Anon[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Check out this interview from a week ago:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/15/magazine/melinda-gates-foundation-interview.html

    Absolutely worth reading through till the end.

    She talks about her daughter’s diverse or underprivileged boyfriends who are terrified when they arrive at the Gates crib for dinner, with all the expensive asset on the wall. Melinda calms them by wearing sweatpants, no makeup, and by sitting down with them in the entrance hall with a therapy dog until they have acclimated to the house.

    She talks about how she and Bill are going to move to a tiny house, really, real soon now, but until then she has banned that purchase of bottled water. It’s tap in a glass at chez Gates.

  3. This is the typical of the suck-up style slop that Kristof has perfected over the years for his NYT reading groupies. His gonads were likely removed at a young age — as evidence, Nicky got “the vapors” of the worst kind when Hillary tanked in 2016 penning “A Twelve Step Program for Responding to President-Elect Trump.”

    http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2016/12/nicholas-kristof-away-with-hitler.html

  4. @Anon

    her daughter’s diverse or underprivileged boyfriends

    Actually, friends. From simming it through, it’s unclear if any of the boyfriends were of different races.

  5. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:

    Just how many apes have Bill and Melinda bred with no intention of supporting them andd their progeny forever can they not be sued for support

  6. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (as if the two of them made equal contributions to it…) is a prime example of why 50/50 divorce law (or anything in the ballpark) is very bad. It makes Bill’s position within the marriage so much worse. I think Bill knows way more than his wife, and would probably be less politically correct if he managed the foundation without interference from his wife. (I.e. if his wife occupied herself with gossip and organizing family vacations only.) But because (even if subconsciously) he doesn’t want to risk a divorce, he lets things go the politically correct way – it’s easier for him anyway.

    Probably a lot of the impetus behind the political correctness of some tycoons is coming from their wives. We’d have way less of it if the wives didn’t have such enormous power.

    I don’t know what the solution would be, but maybe, if the common property is due to one party’s work alone, and a small fraction of the property was already enough to maintain the other party’s lifestyle, then maybe the other party should only receive that small amount. Like, in the case of the Gates’s, Melinda would only receive 1% or even 0.1% of the property.

    Now I’m pretty sure this would work on a subconscious level, and make Bill more assertive in such marginal things.

  7. @Anon

    “It’s tap in a glass at chez Gates.”

    I would imagine that the Gates’ tap water has been so filtered, irradiated and reverse osmosisticated that it is the purest, most antiseptic, sterile water in the world. Probably even the glass was washed in laboratory pure water. No unsightly mineral deposits on their crystal.

  8. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:

    The woman’s name was ‘Guyman’?

    When I used to listen to NPR there were a lot of donations from Joan Kroc, didn’t even mention her husband who made all that money that she is frittering away.

    • Replies: @trelane
  9. @reiner Tor

    At least it was true in the 1960’s–can’t say today–but back then, the bulk of America’s wealth was in the hands of women. Widowhood has its compensations.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  10. DCThrowback says: • Website
    @reiner Tor

    certainly explains paul krugman & robert deniro now doesn’t it? (deniro to his credit divorced his succubus, but not sure the lesson stuck, so we’re stuck w/ “Meet the Parents 5 – Get Focked”)

    gates, krugman, etc.: all exceptions that prove the rule on how *most* wives end up following their husband’s leads re: politics.

    i changed the ann richards quote slightly to describe mrs gates: “married the third baseman and thought she hit a triple”. some unmarried shrewish feminist should remind her that “feminists” don’t usually have 3 kids.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  11. bomag says:
    @reiner Tor

    …a prime example of why 50/50 divorce law (or anything in the ballpark) is very bad.

    Good point, and another example of the problem of averages in policy; my favorite analogy being a kid with a candy bar that a bully grabs and tries to take away; an adult comes by and admonishes the kids to stop fighting and share the bar equally.

    Most public meetings of a political nature amount to someone emotionally announcing that half the people are below average and we must raise them up through supreme and transcendent effort.

  12. @El Dato

    That book sounds hilarious when you consider that it’s lame circa 1995 technology that everyone is getting so het up about

  13. @DCThrowback

    the rule on how *most* wives end up following their husband’s leads re: politics.

    In my experience, wives are invariably to the left of their husbands. I’m not very sure about de Niro’s and Krugman’s wives’ politics, all I know is that both have similar views to their husbands.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Anonymous
  14. Realist says:

    Anyway, you might think that in the entire history of office politics, Melinda Gates could be the biggest single winner: after all, she married The Richest Man in the World.

    Melinda Gates got married to Jeff Bezos???

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  15. Clyde says:

    Melinda is hideous these days while Bill looks boringly normal. Same as before but older. Dumbass PC marriage of the year…Look at who Prince Harry married. Imagine the prime English and Australian women that threw themselves at him.

  16. “It’s O.K. for women to seduce the Boss at work, but it’s not O.K. for men to yell at work?”

    Self-awareness is not a strong suit of our new Ruling Class.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @guest
  17. JEG says:

    There are some women who prefer what is called the harsh male-dominated techie culture to touchy feely feminized culture, especially when it comes to programming complicated operating systems and getting good productive feedback. I wish several of them would publish an article saying so.

  18. Polynikes says:
    @reiner Tor

    One might like to think that is the case. But that didn’t stop the memory of his dead, liberal wife from cajolingwWarren buffet into throwing money at all kinds of stupid liberal policies he never would have supported in his younger days.

    I think these ultra rich guys, the ones with a conscious, feel some remorse having abandoned their family to pursue billions. So they try and remake their public, and often private, image into that of somebody who is softer, kinder, and overall more considerate than what they really were. What better way to do that than buy of the PC peddlers?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  19. Barnard says:
    @Anon

    Does she have a plan B if the uncomfortable kids don’t like dogs?

    The people who have been there for a while understand that if you want peace and stability in the world, you put money into foreign aid.

    At first I rolled my eyes at this line, but by the end it is clear she is focused on reducing the birthrates in the third world. Although whether her motivation is that she doesn’t want to live in a world with 4 billion Africans or she is just genuinely a zealot for women’s empowerment is an open question.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  20. JimDandy says:

    Bill Gates abused the power disparity at work to coerce her to date and eventually marry him. I mean, just look at him.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  21. Bleuteaux says:

    Back in the real world, women in my office are allowed to routinely scream, literally, and men have to sit there and take it like it’s completely normal. You couldn’t get away with it at most restaurants or the ballpark, but you’re allowed to release your primal scream every time the least bit is asked of you in a corporate setting.

  22. eric says:

    Wasn’t she the lead for that annoying ‘Microsoft Bob’ in the 90s?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  23. @reiner Tor

    Probably a lot of the impetus behind the political correctness of some tycoons is coming from their wives.

    Are you looking to Jeff Bezos to test this hypothesis?

    Supporting Progressive causes is very useful to the 0.001-percenters. It takes the target off their backs, gets them good press, and sidetracks lefty types into identity politics, which is no threat to the wealthy.

    • Agree: slumber_j, Prodigal son
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Logan
  24. @Harry Baldwin

    Is Jeff’s ex-wife less leftist than him?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  25. @reiner Tor

    In my experience, wives are invariably to the left of their husbands.

    Wives are more accepting of the establishment than are husbands, and always have been. Your observation is more evidence that the left is the establishment.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  26. @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, I read somewhere that women kept voting right until maybe the 1970s or so.

    But female power is very bad under a left-wing system, it makes it more entrenched and difficult to topple.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  27. @reiner Tor

    … is a prime example of why 50/50 divorce law (or anything in the ballpark) is very bad.

    Community property bled into this country from Mexico, after we annexed much of their territory. You might call it Santa Anna’s revenge. It kind of makes sense in an anti-divorce culture like (then-) Catholic Mexico, but is a time bomb in an increasingly pro-divorce and anti-marriage one like postmodern America.

    Gates is a native of community property Washington, but Bezos chose to move and set up business there. Not a smart move.

    (NB: If any bizarre typos slipped through in the above, blame it on Jeff. I’m using the missus’s Kindle. Its autocorrect is more automutilate.)

  28. Really, when has courtesy and good manners ever been a sign of weakness. Courtesy and manners are the corner stone of being a gentleman. Being firm or demanding is not the same as harassing an employee. Now, stop crying and go make me a sandwich.

  29. @Reg Cæsar

    Community property bled into this country from Mexico, after we annexed much of their territory. You might call it Santa Anna’s revenge. It kind of makes sense in an anti-divorce culture like (then-) Catholic Mexico, but is a time bomb in an increasingly pro-divorce and anti-marriage one like postmodern America.

    The variations on the theme of marital property make sense in the context of a culture in which a) marriage is practiced in the traditional sense in the unity of man and woman with the sanction of society, but, b) nevertheless allows divorce.

    Few would quibble with apportioning a significant chunk of the wealth acquired during a marriage to the faithful wife who dutifully kept a house and raised children while the husband was free to devote himself to the advancement of his career and fortune, only to abandon the wife for a younger model. She’s probably too old to return to her parents’ home, and has not developed employment skills and history or credit of her own.

    It makes a lot less sense in the sense that marriages are more transitory now – a sort of long term relationship you kick off with a party, and perhaps without any real commitment for life or to create a life together and share your fortunes. This is the case even when the couple has children from the marriage.

  30. “why Microsoft has produced so much great software in the 21st Century”

    They are producing good figures though, via Cloud services like Azure and moving their software to a subscription model. Business now pay an annual fee for Office 365, just as they did to IBM for mainframe software fifty years ago. And you can do it all (well, the grunt bits) with cheap H1B labour !

    Why invent a better mousetrap when you can just lease them to customers instead of selling them?

    Anyone know what the last non-subscription version of Office Professional (incl Access) is? I think I need to update and I’m damned if I’m renting it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Jim Don Bob
  31. Mr. Anon says:

    Mrs. Anon heard an interview with the just-plain-folks-feminist Mrs. Gates, in which she was lamenting the fact that Congress is still not 50% female. Funny, feminists are never concerned that half of all plumbers aren’t women. Or utility workers. Or oil-well roughnecks. Or construction workers.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    , @Forbes
  32. @reiner Tor

    I bet the Gates children have scores of friends from underprivileged class. They probably play basketball on blacktop with those chain nets and everything.

  33. @reiner Tor

    Probably a lot of the impetus behind the political correctness of some tycoons is coming from their wives. We’d have way less of it if the wives didn’t have such enormous power.

    It’s the Krugman/Kaepernick effect. Wives have always had enormous power. If they respect their husbands they use the power for good. If they don’t, watch out. Agreed that family courts don’t help but it still boils down to the internal dynamics of the marriage.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Jim Don Bob
  34. All this bitching about office politics in newspapers means that female readers are eating it up. That means they’re looking for a rationalization not to get an office job in the first place if they can manage it, which is good news.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  35. Like I say: men have a culture of insult; women have a culture of complaint.

    Thanks for confirming my rash guess, Mellie.

    The thing about male insult is that it is honest and face-to-face. Female complaint is “I can’t believe she said that” spoken about someone not at the meeting.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  36. @reiner Tor

    The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (as if the two of them made equal contributions to it…) is a prime example of why 50/50 divorce law (or anything in the ballpark) is very bad. …

    Ironically, Bill could have actually done civilization a favor by going full sultan.

    Build his palace then have a suite of concubines whom are invited to live there only upon signing contracts that they have no claim upon any of Bill’s property or business interests and agree to joint custody of any children Bill sires with them.

    Get this drafted by the best lawyers in the business. Maybe Bill maintains separate apartments for them so they don’t actually reside at his address? Family courts will do their usual evil work but it’s pretty hard to argue any woman has a claim on your stuff-certainly half your stuff, when there are multiple–a “bevy”–of other concubines with the same claim.

    This would have been flipping a big finger at feminism, whose essentially ideology is “men have to give stuff to women, even if women give nothing to men”, i.e. “men are slaves”. And also would have been a big finger to the feminism/globalist/1%er nexus of evil.

    And … he’d be having a lot more fun!

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @Anon
    , @Alden
  37. @Desiderius

    it still boils down to the internal dynamics of the marriage

    But my argument was that those dynamics are in turn greatly affected by the legal environment, among other things. For example, even if women don’t divorce often, the possibility will greatly change the dynamics – if things turn from bad to worse, they have the option of taking half the property. They can even use nastier tactics like accusing the husband of violence. Even if it rarely happens, its effects are similar to the effects of nuclear weapons in international diplomacy – countries which have nuclear weapons usually receive, all else being equal, more respect than countries without it. So wives will have more power if the legal environment gives them so many devastating weapons, even if they will only use them as a last resort.

  38. Anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:

    You left out my favorite line from it: “This is what an equal marriage looks like” LOLOLOL

  39. BB753 says:

    The second women got the vote and entered in numbers the white-collar workforce, Western civilisation was doomed! You’ve got to be blind not to see it.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  40. snorlax says:
    @AnotherDad

    Might make a great letter to Penthouse but in real life it would get him arrested and accused of running a “sex cult” like that NXIVM guy or R. Kelly.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
  41. Anon[127] • Disclaimer says:

    Tech/aviation blogger Philip Greenspun is part of a team that maintains the Real World Divorce website and book, which details the differences among all the states.

    http://www.realworlddivorce.com

    They called divorce attorneys in all states and gave them a set of hypothetical cases to comment on.

    Greenspun on his blog did an analysis of the Bezos divorce. Basically, Washington starts with a theoretical 50-50 cut, and the judge goes from there. Apparently Mrs. Bezos settled for less than 50-50, and Greenspun speculates why she might have wanted to avoid throwing it to a judge.

    In some states you can get full child care and lifetime alimony just for having a child as a result of a one night stand, even if you’re a non-U.S. flight attendant in town for a day.

    Greenspun’s divorce posts are always entertaining.

    • Replies: @Alden
  42. @reiner Tor

    Jeff isn’t leftist. He’s just trying conserve a different establishment (the one which made him rich).

  43. But because (even if subconsciously) he doesn’t want to risk a divorce, he lets things go the politically correct way – it’s easier for him anyway.

    Stop being a pussy, tell your wife no. Being a billionaire and being nagged non-stop by and angry harpy sounds terrible.

  44. AnonAnon says:

    Are programmers really that out of control that they yell at each other to make their point? They always struck me as even more introverted than engineers. I worked in aerospace for two decades, often the only woman in the room, and never saw guys yell at each other. Argue their point, sure, but no yelling. Though, I did hear of a meeting at my first workplace back in the 80s where some tie-grabbing went on but never personally witnessed anything close to that. I call BS and typical female dramatizing.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @megabar
  45. @reiner Tor

    Ok, but if you have hand she’s turning those superpowers on your enemies not you. There is a general and widespread (often proud) denial of primate sociosexual dynamics. That’s not how it works. You only level up past base instincts after you’ve mastered them. If you don’t they’ll master you.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Alden
  46. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor

    That plus primogeniture would make a huge difference.

  47. @reiner Tor

    “Probably a lot of the impetus behind the political correctness of some tycoons is coming from their wives.”

    I could never understand why CA Gov. Schwarzenegger signed to anti-.50 caliber rifle law even if he was married to a kennedy-of-sorts. The Terminator himself owned a Israeli 9mm Uzi carbine so he definitely wasn’t anti-militia weapon. Was he cowtowing to his anti-gun wife he was trying to show she had pull on the Governor?

  48. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @eric

    Yes, and “Clippy”, the universally loathed paperclip character “assistant” in Microsoft Office was Melinda’s idea and originally part of Microsoft Bob. The reason Clippy persisted so long in MS Office products long after Bob was killed was because of Melinda.

  49. “It’s not O.K. for women to cry at work, but it’s O.K. for men to yell at work?”

    Women never yell at work? Where have they been? The pressure once got so bad for a woman IT manager at a company that I worked for that she ran to her office to cry. Some of the other women at the company mocked her for it.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Buffalo Joe
  50. Thea says:
    @reiner Tor

    Men have an ace up their sleeves – shunning divorcees particularly for marriage. Dalrock has extensively documented post-marital spinsterhood. Something will happen to restore natural equilibrium, painfully or otherwise.

  51. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor

    Depends what you mean by “right”. Both the Dems and Republicans had liberal and conservative wings until the 70s. You had liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats.

    • Replies: @snorlax
  52. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    There is a general and widespread (often proud) denial of primate sociosexual dynamics. That’s not how it works.

    Which primate sociosexual dynamics are you asserting are being ignored?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  53. @Desiderius

    Wives have always had enormous power.

    I think wives are a prime reason why so many “conservatives” go native and get Potomac Fever when they get to DC. Many of these women have spent their entire life playing the dutiful wife while hubby climbed the political ladder, and they don’t want their chances of being accepted in Washington because hubby is still on TV rattling on about defunding Planned Parenthood or something.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    , @Anon
  54. @reiner Tor

    Oh, Reiner Tor, the mind of Mr. Gates tells you what,

    subconsciously

    : That Bill Gates does not want to risk divorce. Hmm. And why would Bill Gates not want to do this – because too expensive – – – or what? More details from Bill Gates’ subconscious, please: This is exclusive stuff you are bringing in here.

  55. Funny, women have “civilized” female-dominated industries by other methods, including organized gang activity that starts in the unprofessional-cubed interviews with female non-culture-fits. This is when two well-vacationed momma managers let the interviewee know before she ever opens her mouth that she is not one of them, telling her straight-up that, since they have X number of women in this all-mom underwriting office, they need someone who “fits in!” Why is it so important to have someone who is exactly like the other women in terms of social background, educational background, dress style, enthusiasm for workplace mom-bonding parties that have nothing to do with the work and most of all family composition and back-watching absenteeism skills? Because if the female interviewee lacks these crony skills, she is better off not being hired. Regardless of her numbers and her everday all-day attendance, crony moms who often miss mornings, afternoons, days and weeks of work beyond PTO and pregnancy leave without meeting sales or production quotas will do everything they can to chase the female non-culture-fit out of the building, including open, cackling, personal insults in so-called work meetings.

  56. @reiner Tor

    Don’t think i’m going to be running for President anytime soon, so best i can do is toss out some ideas that should be part of conservative/nationalist platform:

    Definitely one of the 2nd tier issues, way behind immigration, but a definite improvement for marriage rates and stability–and hence preserving civilization–would be a default of joint custody. No child support, each parent is responsible for their child and supports them half the time.

    The communal property issue is dramatic for men who have built a successful business through their own talents and initiative and in process actually create a sort of “sword of damocles” out of their wife.

    But for most guys the communcal property isn’t the issue. The problem is that anytime the wife can essentially dismiss all her obligations as a wife, taking the house and kids and making the husband continue to perform his prime obligation, supporting her children. And worse, not even getting to see them or be their dad without her jacking you around. Not surprisingly it’s women who blow up most marriages.

    The simple fix is that when the marriage is over, it’s over. Divide the martially acquired property and joint 50-50 custody of the kids, with each parent responsible for 50% of their support.

    A fun, cool thing about this proposal is that it’s a torpedo aimed at the destruction wrought be these feminist harppiese, but it also sounds very new agey, gay-marriagey, equal-partnershipy. It’s easy to sell along those lines. Because in fact, the current system is based on women shucking their traditional behavior and responsibilities and demanding “equality”–including in careers where they simply don’t produce at anything near equality–but then in divorce being treated like they are poor, helpless, cast aside homemakers in some era of traditional sex roles and no female paid employment.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @HammerJack
  57. Bill Gates and Melinda Gates are evil baby boomer billionaires who use distractionary narratives to deflect against the accurate assertion that they are disgusting, vile money-grubbing scumbags of the worst sort.

    White Core America will do what must be done to stop the evil, greedy globalizer billionaire scum such as Bill Gates and Melinda Gates.

    Bill Gates and Melinda Gates should be financially liquidated in a highly legal manner and then they should be forcibly and legally deported to sub-Saharan Africa. That is my modest proposal for Melinda Gates and her husband, Bill. No more half measures!

    Populism and Nationalism and Patriotism will defeat the Grotesque Goons In The Bill Gates Organized Crime Syndicate!

    Tweets from 2014:

    • Replies: @scrivener3
  58. Alden says:

    Just spoke with a Seattle relative who went to work for Microsoft in 1982. He doesn’t remember any shouting yelling bullying or aggressive behavior in the early 80’s or ever. His wife claims Microsoft men don’t talk much because they are math types. They’d rather code than argue.

    Poor, poor, pitiful Melinda. If she’d gone to work for an affirmative action black women majority government agency she’d really know what bullying and arguing is. Did she ever get accused of bigotry and prejudice because she didn’t respond to black men’s sex approaches in the workplace?
    Was her defense “I’m a married woman” disregarded as just evil White something?

    White men, as a group, on average are the very best co-workers and managers. So say I, so say my daughters. So it is.

  59. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Don’t think i’m going to be running for President anytime soon,

    Please run, AnotherDad.

  60. Grumpy says:

    It is admirable that Gates has devoted his fortune to charity, not to mention his time and energy, but the philanthropic stage of his life has not made him appear nearly as smart as the business stage of his life did. He looks more human now. Of course, it’s hard to hold that against him.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  61. @Jim Don Bob

    It has been said by certain wags that the American Empire’s mere contemplation of perhaps moving some portion of its troops out of Germany and into Bulgaria, or some other spot, was scotched and shot down by officer’s wives who very much enjoyed lording it over German society and German women, and they didn’t want to be sent into the hinterland of Europe where they would be bumps on a phucking log in East What the Hell ever.

    Attention Sailer:

    Please my moderate my genius comments on through, especially the ones from the Mary Beard baby boomer misbehaviour blog post.

    Thank you!

  62. Andrew M says:

    Which is why Microsoft has produced so much great software in the 21st Century.

    To be fair, Melinda joined Microsoft in the late 1980s, so you could equally argue that she was responsible for all the great software they made in the early 1990s.

  63. Forbes says:

    The Bill-Melinda Gates Romance Started With a Rejection

    Who rejected whom? I was expecting some sort of #MeToo-type tale of impropriety in the office, as in the double standard of “seducing the boss is okay, but the boss seducing the employee–not good.”

    Melinda Gates won the (marriage) lottery, and believes that makes her the smartest, most accomplished woman in the world–so I guess she is a feminist, after all.

    Self-promotion has replaced self-awareness as a vital character trait.

    • Replies: @res
  64. Anon[346] • Disclaimer says:

    a default of joint custody.

    Moms tend to find a reason to move to another state. It’s funny how that is.

    Maybe any relocation, or a remarriage, could by default give the static party the choice of full custody with child support from the relocating or remarrying party?

    Or alternately, give full custody to a party who agrees to not take child support from the other, and the other doesn’t make the same offer.

    But yeah, among many other things, divorce laws have screwed up families.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    , @Alden
  65. Anon[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Zwick

    In a Microsoft-like corporate office environment, or really any place with an HR department, neither men nor women yell. I call B.S. on that claim in her book.

  66. Forbes says:
    @Desiderius

    When has female bitching ever been worth the time of day?

    All my intimate relationships would say they just want you to listen–it’s not about fixing whatever they’re bitching about (unless it’s the toilet). Your listening–just as they get from their girlfriends–means you care. Nothing more, nothing less. (They’re ranting–ventilating–you listen, you move on.)

    And the rationalization monkey is a warning message about how they analyze problems. It puts you on notice as to how their thinking works. Female reality…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  67. “One of Melinda’s first challenges came in the harsh, male-dominated techie culture at Microsoft…”

    This is feminist-generated linguistic deception. It’s not “male-dominated” culture. It’s male-CREATED culture. Men invented and built it.

    I see this phrase everywhere. It’s inaccurate, but still writers use it. It was devised to make men seem like bullies. They may be, but they’re also job creators and innovators and the phrase leaves that part out.

    In other words, a perfect allegory of modern feminism: When it comes to men, play up the bad parts, but delete the good. Control the language, control the people.

    • Replies: @megabar
  68. Yngvar says:
    @reiner Tor

    The Foundation can’t be split in a split. It’s technically not their money anymore.

  69. @Mike Zwick

    Mike, I have raised four very successful daughters. I invested a lot of time in teaching them to stand up for their themselves. You have to know when to press and when to back off, but not back down. Don’t be afraid tell someone to “eff off” when they get in your face. Remember, they hired you because you were qualified.

    • Replies: @Alden
  70. snorlax says:
    @Anonymous

    Through 2010ish there were still the odd Gene Taylor and Dede Scozzafava.

    But at the presidential level the last time a Democrat *ran as* being to the right of the Republican was 1932, when running-as-moderate-to-conservative Franklin D. Roosevelt (D) defeated moderate incumbent Herbert Hoover (R), and the last time the Democrat *actually was* to the right of the Republican was 1904, when moderate-to-liberal incumbent Teddy Roosevelt (R) defeated conservative Alton Parker (D).

  71. Thomm says:
    @reiner Tor

    The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (as if the two of them made equal contributions to it…) is a prime example of why 50/50 divorce law (or anything in the ballpark) is very bad.

    Even more whipped is Zuckerberg, who puts his wife’s maiden name ahead of his own :

    The Chan-Zuckerberg foundation.

    Now, to be fair, she was with him before he got rich (unlike Melinda Gates), but still. That she doesn’t take his last name is itself a cuck move.

  72. Anon[320] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Mayor Catherine Pugh has fled the state of Maryland after her home was raided this morning. Three of her staffers got fired by the acting mayor yesterday. All three staffers sat on the board of the MCAT, and there appears to be a scandal brewing between Pugh and the University of Maryland Medical School. This may be a new discovery from the College Admissions Scandal.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Desiderius
  73. @Anon

    Oh great. And when they’re not doing that, which is to say nearly all the time, they’re busy using their immense wealth to promote African overpopulation. Which is to say the destruction of western civilization and of the planet itself.

    • Replies: @Eonic
  74. Logan says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    I am always amazed by the way lefties seem to be oblivious to the obvious fact that identity politics is the ultimate in divide and conquer politics.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    , @Logan
  75. @AnotherDad

    Agreed but how many women would sign up for actual equality before the law, when as things stand they enjoy nearly all the advantages?

    It’s sort of like asking minorities or immigrants to support a level playing field, which would mean giving up some of the gibs. Not happening.

  76. @reiner Tor

    if things turn from bad to worse, they have the option of taking half the property.

    Or if the mood just happens to strike them.

    • Agree: TheBoom
  77. Anon[508] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    How hilarious that she’s finally thinking of contraceptives. The Gates Foundation is hugely responsible for the population boom in Africa and India that has led directly to the migrant crisis in Europe and the invasion of the Indian H1b scammers on the US.

    The Gates Foundation has been helping babies in Africa and India survive to adulthood for the last 2 decades. African and Indian mothers took their vitamins and food and said no thanks to the contraceptives/condoms, all their babies survive to adulthood but old habits die hard as they continue to have 14 babies each. Then the babies grew up and needed education and jobs, and Gates has no answer, because you can’t educate or give jobs to people with IQ of 70. So his answer is: import as many as possible to Europe and America. He’s been lobbying congress for years to increase the H1b cap for Indians, and now wants to fast track their green card apps so more Indians can come to the US.

    History will not look back kindly on Bill & Melinda Gates for what their so-called philanthropy has done to the world – by encouraging survival of the least fit. Other than George Soros, it’s hard to find any one individual who has done more damage to the Western world than Bill Gates.

    • Replies: @BB753
  78. Nick Gar says:

    Melinda Gates best work keeping black men healthy to invade Europe.

  79. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anon

    Holy cow, this is big.

  80. Anon[508] • Disclaimer says:

    The Gates Foundation has donated billions to Africa and India, but they turn a blind eye towards the poor and destitute right in their own backyard. Worse, they have joined in with other Seattle elites like Steve Balmer to hire a think tank to fudge poll results to defend the totally incompetent Seattle City Council who has been completely inept in handling the homeless crisis:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-21/seattles-revolt-elites

    More evidence that our elites these days are the enemies of the people! I used to greatly admire Bill Gates, now I think he is an enemy of the people by creating a population boom of the least fit in Africa, India, then encouraging and facilitating their mass immivasion to the rich world while ignoring his fellow countrymen in the country that made him rich. These days, I despise Bill G like I despise all globalist rats.

    We need to tax all foreign donations by at least 50% to help start a jail+rehab program for our homeless.

  81. George says:

    “Microsoft has produced so much great software in the 21st Century” Azure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Azure

  82. Michael S says:

    I don’t think that the average BBF cares about whether Microsoft is producing great software, or any software. They perceive white-collar jobs as goodies to be doled out, like welfare but with lots more money and sometimes you have to leave the house and deal with men, which is the only part that’s inconvenient.

  83. Anon[508] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    [NYT] You’re not thinking about more micro level stuff late at night?
    [Melinda] No. I’m thinking about contraceptives, where we’re helping lead internationally. In the United States, when something changes, people are going to stand up. But my role is to make sure that I’m advocating on behalf of, for example, women in Kenya. United States funding of reproductive health rights affects those women. So I have to think macro. I have to.

    Note to Melinda: you wouldn’t have to worry about contraceptives if you’d just let nature run its course. Stop sending these people all the vitamins, foods, medicine for all their famine and diseases like malaria, HIV.

    Nature provided mankind with the best contraceptive by dictating survival of the fittest, but dumb liberals like the Gates have to try to change history by turning it into survival of the least fit, turning the world into the shithole that it has become by creating a surplus population of the lowest IQ.

  84. What Does Billionaire Globalizer Melinda Gates Say About Biden And His N Placement?

  85. Anonymous[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @Forbes

    All my intimate relationships would say they just want you to listen

    Since when do “relationships” talk? What are you referring to here? Did you mean that your girlfriends told you they just want you to listen?

  86. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor

    not Lady MacBeth ?

  87. Anon[508] • Disclaimer says:

    The Gates would’ve done far less damage to the world if they had simply spent their money like drunken sailors buying themselves luxury goods. Instead, they spent all their money wreaking havoc upon the world by creating low IQ armies in Africa and India to invade and destroy Europe and the US.

  88. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    They call it wife swapping in Seattle.

  89. @Polynikes

    Poly, a billion dollars is a million dollars times 1000. So Buffet’s fortune is 40,000 piles of a million dollars. Give a away 100 of those piles and you still have 39,900 piles of a million dollars. So, an immense amount to us, but not so much to Buffet, or Gates or Bezos.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
  90. Wency says:

    I sympathize with the basic point, but MSFT stock has been a big winner this cycle due to the success of their cloud software. Was dead money for a decade, but has quadrupled in the last 6 years.

  91. @Barnard

    Barnard, she keeps an old pussy nearby.

  92. @Mr. Anon

    Mr. Anon, plumbers don’t make laws.

  93. @reiner Tor

    But my argument was that those dynamics are in turn greatly affected by the legal environment, among other things.

    Well said reiner.

    Incentives affect people’s behavior. Even when someone doesn’t “pull the trigger”. Obvious stuff, but it seems to escape a lot of people.

    To have a civilized society you have to have social/legal norms/rules that incentivize civilized behavior. That’s true for crime, marriage, illegitimacy, fertility, working, saving, drug abuse, etc. etc.

    Break all those incentives–as the left continually tries to do–and civilization decays.

  94. @ThreeCranes

    Widowhood is entirely unnecessary. We’re ruled more of less by a few thousand Laura Bush’s. That’s why Trump watches Fox and Friends so religiously.

  95. @BB753

    It is a woman’s prerogative to change her mind.

  96. What women have argued is a hostile work environment is part of the creative process. And in my experience, crying about work, at work, outside of work is about the same. And i would note this, that women fight, raise their voices, snarl and castigate as much as men do. And they are (as a generalization) far more prone to use sideline and backdoor politics to their advantage – including crying.

    I think she is playing a tad loose with actual workplace environments. And I would note, this is the workplace environment of the white color (if one can still say white collar work environments).

  97. @YetAnotherAnon

    (incl Access)

    I first read that as “incel Access”. Something we’d rather not know about.

  98. What women have brought to the table of the workplace has not been all bad. But it has been unbalanced.

  99. Anon[508] • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor

    Probably a lot of the impetus behind the political correctness of some tycoons is coming from their wives.

    That is certainly true of MacKenzie Bezos, Laurene Powell Jobs, Susan Buffett, Sergei Brin’s ex-wife Anne Wojcicki, Patricia Chan Zuckerberg, and many others. But the Jewish guys Brin and Zuckerberg are already pretty far to the left themselves so it doesn’t take much arm twisting.

    Melinda claimed in her interview that she has voted for Republicans, and she is from Texas and went to Duke, so she’s probably not the worst of the lot — low bar, I know.

  100. @Joe Stalin

    He was never the same after the nurses’ union owned him.

    Similar thing happened to Kasich. He never could figure out that it was out of state money that got him not Ohioans.

  101. @Grumpy

    That’s part of the purpose. But he is in fact more human now that he’s raised a family, had to deal with massive failure, etc…

  102. @Anon

    Does that have anything to do with the mandatory SJW questions added to the MCAT a couple years ago?

    • Replies: @Alden
  103. @Anonymous

    All of them, but primarily dominance (a.k.a. headship). Traditional Christian teaching serves as a decent patch if you don’t want to get into the assembly.

  104. @AnonAnon

    Agreed. The only time stuff would get personally nasty was when IT people were telling non-IT people that they couldn’t go live this weekend because of already scheduled work, or some senior guy that he’d promised the board something that couldn’t be implemented in those timescales.

    Non-IT senior management in my industry tended to have quite a high turnover and get-on-or-get-out mentality, such people aren’t used to hearing ‘no’, or are worried for their own prospects, and will say anything they think will get them their way, I never took it personally.

    On the other hand there is the odd bit of sneakiness, crawling, empire-building etc – but isn’t that everywhere?

  105. megabar says:
    @AnonAnon

    > Are programmers really that out of control … I call BS and typical female dramatizing.

    I work in software, and yes, software guys are a strange bunch. They’re often introverted, but it’s not unusual for them to be some combination of passionate and/or surprisingly aggressive about their work. Given that a lot of software design involves unknowns, there is a lot of room for disagreements on the best way to proceed. Further, software culture is often egalitarian rather than hierarchical, which further allows conflict — there’s no clear authority figure to arbitrate.

    In my experience, it only rarely rises to the level of yelling — I’ve seen it a couple of times in 20 years. Pointed arguments are pretty common, which may be entertaining or uncomfortable, depending on the specifics.

    I will say that every company I’ve been at had it’s own ethos and norms. It’s always struck me how much company attitudes are shaped by CEOs, and so I while I’ve never worked in a place where yelling is common, I don’t doubt that they exist — if, perhaps, exaggerated.

    • Replies: @black sea
  106. megabar says:
    @Days of Broken Arrows

    > It’s not “male-dominated” culture. It’s male-CREATED culture. Men invented and built it.
    > When it comes to men, play up the bad parts, but delete the good.

    I’ve never noticed this specific example before. Good catch!

  107. Alden says:
    @Anon

    Today I asked relative who went to work for Microsoft in the early 80s. He said no bullying, no yelling ever. They just sat and coded 12 hours a day 6 days a week or more.

    What did Melinda do? Some EEOC mandated nonsense?

  108. Anonymous[200] • Disclaimer says:

    It looks like it’s the women in the lives of tech moguls who are actually causing most of the PC crackdown. Guys just wouldn’t care that much about imposing social rules of behavior.

    Mainly their sisters and wives.

  109. guest says:
    @Alec Leamas

    “Romance” started with rejection? Take that, Bill! You nerd.

    Wait, was it rejection or playing hard to get? You know, because Richest Man in the World and all that.

  110. @YetAnotherAnon

    Anyone know what the last non-subscription version of Office Professional (incl Access) is? I think I need to update and I’m damned if I’m renting it.

    I’m still using Office 2007. It can’t read .docx files but OpenOffice can.

    I hate the new look of almost all Windows products after Win7. There is crap on the screen everywhere and you can’t find the simplest thing. I think Google is a POS as a company and would not trust them to tell me where the sun rises, but their interfaces are clean and simple.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  111. @snorlax

    Agree. Also, as skirt lengths shortened throughout the 20th century women became more aggressive and less submissive to their husbands. Civilization was really doomed when pant suits came into vogue.

  112. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Yeah, but he’d probably get gonnorhea.

    Also, since Gates is ugly, his concubines would bang other men. Then they’d claim he was the baby daddy. So he’d need to paternity test.

  113. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    Planned Parenthood has kept a lot of nonwhites from being born. Without that type of stuff, nonwhites might already be a majority.

  114. Alden says:
    @Anon

    In all states legally mandated child support ends on the child’s 18th birthday although most parents continue to support the child after that for years.

    Many states have abolished alimony altogether except for what’s called
    rehabiltive alimony. That’s for women who never worked at all
    Dduring the marriage and can prove they have no job skills. If they have a community college AA or BA degree that’s considered a skill and they can’t get the alimony.
    Rehab alimony doesn’t cover extensive education either. No let her finish 3 years of college and get a masters in education or law degree.

    It’s hair dressing or some kind of vocational school training and usually limited to 2 years.

    Taxpayers should applaud courts making fathers support their children. Otherwise the welfare, food stamp and medi cal burden for us would be a lot worse.

    Joint legal custody is a great idea. It eliminates all sorts of problems such as admitting children into hospitsls, signing for drivers licenses, taking children abroad etc.

    Joint physical custody is essentially unworkable. Only someone who has no children would even think about it.

    Both parents have to live in the same neighborhood in the same school boundaries. Parents have to live close enough for kids 8 and older to bike back and forth by themselves. Each parent has to have bedrooms and furniture for the kids, plus clothes toys and room for homework and school projects.

    That’s what it takes for comfortable joint physical custody especially for the kids who are vastly more important than the parents fighting.

    How joint physical custody usually works out

    One parent has the kids during the school week and often at least weekend day. That parent ends up paying the utilities food gas and other expenses involved in housing, feeding, and raising kids.

    The other parent doesn’t contribute to expenses because it’s joint custody. So one parent ends up housing and feeding the kids 300 days of the year while the parent who has the kids 60 days of the year doesn’t support the home, utilities, food and car expenses incurred the other 300 days of the year.

    Estimate the expenses of 2 equal size houses and the other difficulties inherent in joint physical custody.

    I know a couple who have joint physical custody. Same occupation so they both make about 150k plus a year. He bought a similar house about a mile away, same town, same school boundaries. It’s worked out fine for them. Neither has remarried or has a live in lover which is good. Each has enough money they could support 3 kids if the other just disappeared. Both have very secure steady employment and will never have to move for work.

    How many of you women haters could have the joint custody arrangement the above family has? How many of you are able to buy a house close enough with sufficient room for the kids? How many of you are willi
    G to do the driving involved in having kids that switch what home they sleep in twice a week? How many of you have secure steady employment and know you’ll never have to move for work? How many of you have a wife who makes 150k a year who can support the kids house and car all by yourself.

    Joint physical custody is absolutely unworkable for most divorced couples for many reasons; finances, location of the parents homes, transportation of children, schools and activities, proximity to the job, career job moves, everything.

    Those school projects that take weeks. Are the parents going to move those “*^>*•]* materials back and forth for a month twice a week? 2 sets of clothes? Packing up and moving twice a week?

    Before you bloviate joint custody think it through and think of the kids instead of sticking it to divorced families you don’t even know.

    If you get married, have kids and get divorced work things out with wife. But don’t behave like pompous liberals recommending laws for other people.

    You joint custody guys may have children. But no one who has children and knows about what’s necessary to raise them would recommend joint custody which is unworkable for most couples.

    Given your recommendations, a reasonable person can only conclude you don’t have children.

    Just try being the joint custody parent without child support who has the kids 6 days a week and see how it works out

  115. Alden says:
    @Desiderius

    You should see the SJW questions on the licensing exams for Drs nurses physicians assistants, X ray techs dentists dental assistants.

    There’s always several HIV AIDS questions that require the test taker to answer that homosexual
    Men don’t get AIDS and aren’t responsible for AIDS

    Even though about 80% of AIDS and STD cases are homosexual men.

  116. L Woods says:
    @reiner Tor

    This is one of many things the boomercons on here don’t seem to grasp.

  117. Alden says:
    @Desiderius

    Primate sociosexual dynamics are fine for the biggest baddest male in the herd? Flock?

    But what happens to the big bad bully when he gets old and weak and gets beaten up and killed by the next big bad bully? What happened to the subordinate males who are skinny and small because the bigger baddest males stole their food?

    You may fantasize about being the biggest baddest bully male who gets to dominate all the women. But you might have been driven out to be eaten by a leopard as soon as mommy had another baby.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    , @Desiderius
    , @Logan
  118. Alden says:

    Ron, why not just put up a sign that the site is for wife less child less woman less old bachelors?

  119. Alden says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    From their comments it’s obvious a lot of commenters never had children, aren’t married never were married and are absolutely unaware of the realities of raising children.

  120. @Anon

    A friend who works in the corporate office of a multinational investment bank told me that her female colleagues scream at each other with impunity. She’s been on the receiving end of it.

  121. Forbes says:
    @Mr. Anon

    That’s why feminists desire to mandate minimums for CEOs, board seats, and Congresscritters–they could care less about occupational categories, it’s absolute power they’re after. Men are always going to do the grunt work–and their bidding…

  122. trelane says:
    @Anon

    How about the guy named Chikbabe?

  123. Forbes says:
    @Anon

    Moms tend to find a reason to move to another state. It’s funny how that is.

    Divorce brings out women’s worst instincts. They can’t admit any failure on their part–all blame must go on the man, and he is gonna pay, one way or another.

    In order to start over (which is how women view divorce), women “must” move (so as not to be reminded of prior marital circumstances), which has the secondary intended effect of screwing over the father by making any custody arrangements (more) difficult.

  124. Forbes says:
    @Logan

    Are you sure lefties are oblivious?

    If your objective to win is by any means necessary (power domination politics), group-identity (special interest/victim/race/ethnicity/gender/tribe/clan/whatever) politics seems to be a pretty obvious way to go.

    Straight out of Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals.

  125. Alden says:
    @Anon

    Children who aren’t supported by their parents are supported by the tax payers. Think about that before you crusade for no child support.

  126. Alden says:
    @reiner Tor

    So you approve of wife beating as well as even more children being supported by welfare because their fathers don’t support them.
    That’s how blacks and Hispanics live, not how Whites live.

    Personally, I don’t want even more children of dead beat parents that need support by me the taxpayer around than they are now.

    Take your pick. Either divorced parents support their children or the taxpayers support them with welfare.

    You guys have picked supporting other people’s children with taxpayer provided welfare.

  127. Alden says:
    @AnotherDad

    So if Gates divorces or dumps his concubines you will be happy to support their children on your tax money?

    Take your pick. Either divorced parents support their children of the taxpayers support the children on welfare.

    You’ve picked supporting other people’s children on your tax money.

    You need to check the what joint custody means. Start with the difference between joint legal custody and joint legal custody. You don’t even know they are 2 different things do you?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  128. Polynikes says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Just a figure of speech. But I figure most billionaires take the same track:aggressive, workaholic, devoted to your business, and lucky.

    Whether you have two billion or twenty (or eighty), it’s pretty much the same path.

    • Replies: @Realist
  129. @reiner Tor

    It’s obituary shopping. All public figures realize that the MSM control their legacies, and act accordingly, especially when they see the clock running out. Once education historian Diane Ravitch hit 70, she betrayed everything she’d ever stood for (a life spent exposing leftist edthink), and went Left. Shortly before dying, Ed Koch came out for gay marriage.

    Ravitch is still alive, but when Koch died, his strategy paid off in spades. Racist black pol Charles Rangel spoke through clenched teeth, and would neither praise nor condemn him. When Koch was mayor (1978-1989), he spoke of Rangel and his ilk as “poverty pimps.”

    Steve Jobs was the shining exception. He was a skinflint, who refused to make “humanitarian” bureaucrats rich and powerful. So, he didn’t get the greatest obits. His widow, on the other hand, seems to do everything with her MSM legacy in mind, even the men she chooses to share her bed with.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  130. res says:
    @Forbes

    Self-promotion has replaced self-awareness as a vital character trait.

    Good observation. It is beginning to seem like the sum of those two traits is a constant.

  131. MBlanc46 says:
    @JimDandy

    Just look at his net worth.

  132. MBlanc46 says:
    @Alden

    Red in tooth and claw.

  133. @Alden

    Yes. I’m saying that ignorance of all those things is folly.

  134. black sea says:
    @megabar

    If in fact there was a culture of yelling at Microsoft when Melinda Gates worked there, it was established by the man whom she chose to marry.

  135. @Jim Don Bob

    Office 2007 can read docx files, it’s the first version with all the menus changed to ribbons – sure you’re not thinking of 2003?

    It looks as if 2016 is still available as a piece of retail or OEM software – Office 2019 is Win10 only.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  136. Realist says:
    @Polynikes

    Just a figure of speech. But I figure most billionaires take the same track:aggressive, workaholic, devoted to your business, and lucky.

    Heavy on the lucky.

  137. Eonic says:
    @HammerJack

    Kevin Myers wrote an article castigating the Live Aid set. At the end he mentioned Bill Gates’ effects on the increased rate of survival of Africans. ” Oh good: then what? I know.Let them all come here. Yes, that’s an idea.” https://eonic1.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/24702573-08-07-10-independent-ie-africa-is-giving-nothing-to-anyone-apart-from-aids_kevin-myers11.pdf

  138. @Anon

    I have seen people yell at each other and get very emotional at work. It is not as prevalent in an office environment as it is in a factory but it happens. The tone of a company is usually set from above. It the environment is toxic it is usually because the top management is toxic.

  139. @YetAnotherAnon

    You are correct. I am using Office 2003. I hate all that ribbon crap.

  140. Trouble is the people who employ me usually have much later versions, so I’ve had to get used to it. My current home version is 2007 and it’s time I got an update.

    But there’s a guide which shows you where your 2003 commands have gone in 2007 and later versions – it’s quite useful. There’s one for Word too.

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=14650

  141. Logan says:
    @Logan

    I guess it depends what you mean by “lefties.”

    Certainly identity politics is the diametric opposite of, “Worker of the world, unite!”

  142. @Charles Pewitt

    Instead of taking the proceeds of Gates genius how about if someone gave you a button that you could press and the world would be as if Gates never was born. No DOS, no x86 personal computers, maybe IBM Mainframes would continue to be the source of computing. And would you be one iota better off that the Gates fortune and foundation never existed?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  143. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @scrivener3

    Instead of taking the proceeds of Gates genius how about if someone gave you a button that you could press and the world would be as if Gates never was born. No DOS, no x86 personal computers, maybe IBM Mainframes would continue to be the source of computing. And would you be one iota better off that the Gates fortune and foundation never existed?

    Had Microsoft never existed the development of personal computers would be different, but almost certainly no less successful. Gates, Allen, and Microsoft did not write DOS, it was written by a small company named Seattle Computer Products and was a sideways competitor to the then dominant CP/M operating system.

    Seattle Computer Products (SCP) was a Seattle, Washington, microcomputer hardware company which was one of the first manufacturers of computer systems based on the 16-bit Intel 8086 processor.[1] SCP began shipping its first S-100 bus 8086 CPU boards to customers in November, 1979,[2] about 21 months before IBM introduced its Personal Computer which was based on the slower 8088 and introduced the 8-bit ISA bus. SCP shipped an operating system for that hardware about a year before the release of the PC, which was modified by Microsoft for the PC and renamed IBM PC DOS. SCP was staffed partly by high-school students from nearby communities who soldered and assembled the computers. Some of them would later work for Microsoft.
    Corporate history

    Twenty-two-year-old Tim Paterson was hired in June 1978 by SCP’s owner Rod Brock (1930-2018)[3]. At the time, SCP built memory boards for microcomputers, but after attending a local seminar on Intel’s just-released 8086 in late summer 1978, Paterson convinced Brock that his company should design a CPU board for the new chip. Paterson had a prototype working by May 1979,[4] and he took his “computer” over to Microsoft, who were working on an 8086 BASIC, which was working before the end of May.[5]

    When the board began shipping in November, standalone Microsoft BASIC was offered as an option, but no operating system was available for it.[6] Digital Research, whose 8-bit CP/M operating system was the industry standard, was working on an 8086-compatible version called CP/M-86, but the delay in its release was costing SCP sales. In order to fill this void, Paterson wrote QDOS (for Quick and Dirty Operating System)[1] over a four-month period starting in April 1980. QDOS 0.11 was finished in August 1980, and SCP began shipping it in September 1980.[2] The operating system was renamed to 86-DOS in December 1980.

    Arguably Microsoft promoted the “white box” Asian import IBM clone industry because without a standard 100 percent compatible OS the whitebox PC would have been far less successful, but equally arguably by making the far superior Motorola 68xx/680xx architecture the nonstandard over x86 Intel, it held development of personal computers back as well. Almost everyone BUT IBM used the Motorola chip, Apple’s Macintosh and Lisa, Commodore’s very advanced Amiga, the Atari ST, and of course all the workstation vendors who combined the off the shelf 68000 Motorola CPUs and the licensable Unix operating system to make multiuser, multitasking systems that could compete with minicomputers.

    Business would probably have settled on a different system than IBM’s PC, but who knows? I doubt the world would be that much different either way.

  144. BB753 says:
    @Anon

    “Other than George Soros, it’s hard to find any one individual who has done more damage to the Western world than Bill Gates.”
    Agree. And that’s not taking into account Windows. Seriously, why does Windows 10 work worse than Windows XP, 20 years ago?

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  145. @BB753

    Windows XP was pretty decent for 2001.

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  146. ssohara says:
    @reiner Tor

    I agree/disagree. I think when a woman marries a man who has already made his money in terms of getting a business started, etc., then she obviously does not deserve half his wealth. OTOH, there are many businesses which are family run – the man is the titular head and might have been the one with the initial idea, etc., but often a large part of his success in these situations is due to the wife. I know many, many cases in point. Also, once upon a time before women were so common in the workforce, wives were often a crucial factor in their husband’s success… back in those days, a man interviewing for a top position often had a final interview in which his spouse was also “interviewed” – those were the days when her role was to support his career and the wives of top executives knew it and managed their part of “the game”. So in those types of situations, of course she should get 50%.

    I think this all just comes down to common sense. For example, look at Donald Trump. Ivana didn’t really deserve 50% when they got divorced, but she certainly deserved a much larger percentage then Marla or, if they split up, then Melania. She was his first wife, she did help him grow his business (organizing social events, schmoozing with the right people, actively managing some of his properties); she also raised his 3 children pretty much single-handedly and so on.

    In some cases it’s the wife who is the prime bread winner and in those cases the same rules apply. If the man married her before she made it big, an argument can be made that he should get a good portion of the cut – 50% or close to it. But if he married her after she’d already made it big – nope.

    As far as whether or not this type of rule would make charities more conservative – probably. In most cases, when the wife has worked with her husband to build a business, she’s just as aware of what it takes and is more likely to be conservative. So only giving those spouses a large share in the event of a divorce would probably help quite a bit.

  147. @Alden

    Take your pick. Either divorced parents support their children of the taxpayers support the children on welfare.

    You’ve picked supporting other people’s children on your tax money.

    Alden–no i have not, as is clear from my comment. Read it again if necesasry.

    What i propose is clear and straightforward: The defaul is each divorced parent has custody of their children 1/2 the time and povides 1/2 their support. (I.e. feeds and shelters and transports them during their stay and kicks in 1/2 of the other expenses–clothing, school supplies, scout camp, athletic fees, etc.)

    If one parent is for some reason unable to provide their 50% of custody and support, then they lose that appropriate share of custody and it fails on the other parent. (Just as these things do for still married parents, or those cases where a parent dies.)

    I don’t support divorced kids being dropped on welfare–supported with my tax money. They are the responsibility of their parents. *Both* their parents.

    What i do not support, is the right of women to toss out their husbands but keep their husband-aquired lifestyle–keep the martial house, the children and a big hunk of the husbands paycheck. That option actually promotes female silliness and divorce–and knowing that nuclear-option is theirs lots of female bitchiness and unwifeliness … which in turn leads to more unhappiness and divorce.

    Both men and women marry poorly–make mistakes. Both men and women behave irresponsibly and inappropriately in marriages. But when a marriage is over it should be *over*. A woman has no call on her husband’s paycheck when he is her *ex*-husband. Split the time with and responsibility for the children 50-50 and move on. And if that prospect does not sound good, then maybe the couple should sit their asses down, look in the mirror at themselves and their behavior and work harder on their joint responsibility to make the marriage succeed.

  148. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Compared to the abortion that was Win 95/98/982E, Win XP was pretty good. Compared to NeXT, it was a Yugo vs. the Ferrari.

    But NeXT had licensed so many people’s outside code that they had to charge $999 for a user license, whereas Win XP was a tenth of that retail. Dell and Stinkway paid less than $50 per user license, an agreement that required them to ship Windows with every machine and no other OS.

    In my opinion NeXTStep 3.3 was the best desktop environment ever. You were spoiled rotten once you’d used it. Neither Windows nor Mac OS X was or is as good.

    I’ve been playing with the various Linux desktop environments and I have to be honest, Windows 10 is probably more intuitive and usable than most of them. Linux (FreeBSD, et al) has conquered everything BUT the desktop and it’s no closer now than it was in 1996. And Apple only wants profit share, not market share, and so Mac OS is probably terminally ill at this point.

  149. @Joe Stalin

    Yeah but he didn’t ban the forty-five long-slide with laser sightings.
    Nor the phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.
    ‘It’s just what you see, pal!’

  150. Logan says:
    @Alden

    Human (and other primates) are not ruled (or not for long) by the biggest, baddest male.

    Two or more smaller males will form a coalition and tear him apart, usually literally.

    Those alpha males who have rules of any length do so by building coalitions with lesser males and even with females.

    IOW, absolute tyranny doesn’t work. Not for long.

    To be sure, if you put together a sufficiently powerful coalition to dominate the rest of the society, you and your minions can have quite a long run regardless of how brutal you are. But that’s very different from a single absolute tyrant. The Leader always has to take into consideration keeping his minions sufficiently happy.

  151. Steve –

    Just noticed this –

    https://www.seattletimes.com/life/melinda-gates-reveals-her-marital-struggles-in-hopes-of-empowering-all-women/

    Bill didn’t cheat (that we know of). He was the world’s richest man for a long time. And still, it wasn’t enough!

    If Bill Gates can’t keep his woman happy, what hope does anyone else have?

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