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From the NYT:

The Culprits Behind White Flight

“Culprits” is a dysphemism for the uprooted victims.

By LEAH BOUSTAN MAY 15, 2017

Princeton, N.J. — In Agatha Christie’s “Murder on the Orient Express,” the detective Hercule Poirot proposes an improbable theory to explain an improbable murder: Maybe they all did it. Twelve riders each stabbed the victim once, making it impossible to know who struck the fatal blow.

Poirot’s solution offers some insight into a debate among journalists and Democratic strategists: Was Donald Trump’s surprise victory due to his voters’ racism or their economic anxiety? The right answer might be that it was both.

A similar question of “whodunit” inspired my research on the history of postwar white flight. White movement to the suburbs coincided with a period of substantial black migration out of the rural South: From 1940 to 1970, four million blacks settled in industrial cities in the North and West. As they moved in, the fraction of white metropolitan households living in the typical Northern or Western central city fell from two-thirds to one-third.

Ta-Nehisi Coates refers to the white exodus as a “triumph of racist social engineering,” and he is not wrong. Many white households moved to suburban towns precisely because black households were effectively excluded from them by real estate agents and mortgage brokers.

In the case of my liberal inlaws on the West Side of Chicago in 1968-1970, the culprits who ruined their dream of integration and finally drove them out were the black criminals who committed three felonies against their children.

To complicate the picture, few of them left personal accounts,

Uh, actually, lots and lots of the victims of black crime would love to tell you exactly what happened, but academia and the media haven’t been interested in hearing them.

and they may not have been able to articulate exactly why they moved. We are left reconstructing the pieces through careful detective work. In my own work, I have found that Poirot is often right: Each suspect wielded his own knife.

Of course, the word “crime” doesn’t appear in this op-ed.

The suspects are white and the knives are metaphorical (racism, etc.).

 
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  1. A similar question of “whodunit” inspired my research on the history of postwar white flight. White movement to the suburbs coincided with a period of substantial black migration out of the rural South: From 1940 to 1970, four million blacks settled in industrial cities in the North and West. As they moved in, the fraction of white metropolitan households living in the typical Northern or Western central city fell from two-thirds to one-third.

    Ethnic cleansing is the term of art here, I believe.

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    From 1940 to 1970, four million blacks settled in industrial cities in the North and West. As they moved in, the fraction of white metropolitan households living in the typical Northern or Western central city fell from two-thirds to one-third.
     
    This was inevitable regardless of black migration. American cities outlawed new urban construction after the war. In the 1930s, the Roosevelt administration gave university architects the power to draw up plans for a new way of living in America. Nobody rebelled against it at the time because nobody could get financing to build anything until the Depression and war were over more than a decade later. The cities had to put the new laws on the books to get federal funding they needed badly in the hard years. Auto makers, pavement contractors, and oil companies demanded that the new regulations be implemented so that they'd produce isolated single-use motor pods and major highways.

    And thus the suburb was born.

    Since new urban construction was outlawed, suburbs were built. The baby boom meant the population was quickly doubling, so lots and lots of housing was needed. And all the new housing was suburban.

    It had nothing to do with black migration. Suburbs grew and people lived in them because anything else was illegal. You don't see Paris, a near-majority black and Muslim city, abandoning its beautiful core. There they made the newcomers live in the suburbs and kept the city for themselves. But still the suburbs now hold most of the population—including most of the white population—and the suburbs are built according to the legal regulations on how Paris suburbs should look. They resemble neither Paris nor American suburbs.
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  2. Hmm. Who was it who said “migration is invasion?”

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  3. From the NYT article:

    “A similar question of “whodunit” inspired my research on the history of postwar white flight…I found that for every black arrival, two whites left the central city. This figure puts a precise value on what contemporaries already suspected: When black people moved in, white people moved out.”

    And they concocted a diabolically clever scheme to leave the Tragic Dirt behind before they skipped the traces!:

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  4. Moving from UCLA to Princeton itself would constitute white flight.

    There’s a Ra’anan Boustan at UCLA. Is that her squeeze?

    There’s also a chain of Lebanese food joints in Montreal with that name. One of them was firebombed not too long ago.

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    There’s a Ra’anan Boustan at UCLA. Is that her squeeze?
     
    He moved from Minnesota when she started at UCLA in 2006---where, of course, they were listed as faculty affiliates of the Alan D. Leve Center for Jewish Studies: http://www.cjs.ucla.edu/cjs-faculty/ ---and are both just moving to Princeton, so I'd say yes. Cute couple...

    I wonder what neighborhood they chose in LA.

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  5. fnn says:

    Exemplifies why Chinese on the net are showing such contempt for what they call the “white left”:

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/05/chinese-for-sjw.html

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  6. Sammler says: • Website

    You have to start with the right frame. Assuming racism is a characteristic of Trump supporters ensures you can reach a conclusion assigning them blame.

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  7. Hillary Clinton flew like a bird to the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York.

    Hillary Clinton supports White Flight for wealthy White people. Hillary Clinton thinks White people of modest means should live cheek by jowl with Blacks and Latinos.

    Hillary Clinton is a baby boomer hypocrite globalizer.

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    I found it amusing that Hillary Clinton's Washington, D.C. home is even on Whitehaven St.

    It sold for $1 in January 2000: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3067-Whitehaven-St-NW-Washington-DC-20008/68084274_zpid/
    , @Anonymous
    And Bernie took off for Vermont!
    , @Alden
    She grew up in 99% Park Ridge and then went to college in 99% White Wellesley MA. The only time she lived near blacks was when she lived in New Haven.
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  8. biz says:

    My grandparents moved to the suburbs after adjacent blocks went up in flames during the riots of the 60s.

    and they may not have been able to articulate exactly why they moved.

    Nope, they were able to articulate that exactly. Adjacent blocks, flames.

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  9. Was going to post the link of this.

    Note that one NYT commenter mentions a “racist” fear of black crime. But a lot of the top-rated comments (but none of the Times-select ones) mention crime.

    What’s interesting is that white people seem unafraid to move into West Harlem and Bed-Stuy now that the long nightmare of crime has come to an end. East New York, less so. Break the back of criminal behavior and most of the “racism” of avoiding black neighborhoods goes away. They’re actually pretty pleasant and interesting places then.

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  10. I like how the authoress expects people to just know who TNC is and why his opinion is relevant.

    >Ta-Nehisi Coates refers to the white exodus as a “triumph of racist social engineering,”

    Indeed. Racist social engineering… against Whites.

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  11. Jefferson says:

    “Ta-Nehisi Coates refers to the white exodus as a “triumph of racist social engineering,”

    If all races are equal than Black communities don’t need the presence of White next door neighbors in order to financially thrive.

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  12. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Ok, so the fraction of white metropolitan households fell from two thirds to one third. Does anyone ever ask whether that would have happened anyway? Perhaps there was a preference for suburban vs urban quite independent of any racism? Perhaps the cities would have ended up one third white and one third empty, instead of one third white and two thirds black?

    That is unlikely to be completely true, but it could at least be one of the knives.

    More realistically, I tend to see a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem. Did whites abandoning the cities give blacks the opportunity to move there, or did blacks moving there drive whites to abandon the cities? I’m not old enough to remember those times, so I can only imagine, guess, and reason about it.

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    Perhaps there was a preference for suburban vs urban quite independent of any racism? . . . I tend to see a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem. Did whites abandoning the cities give blacks the opportunity to move there, or did blacks moving there drive whites to abandon the cities?
     
    You're wrong.
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  13. Hockamaw says:

    The hollowing out and destruction of every inner city in this country from Atlantic to Pacific that occurred as a direct result of the racial policies of the 1960s is the most important and yet the least understood occurrence certainly of the 20th Century and perhaps in all of American history. It has touched nearly every American life, and yet to question the wisdom and goodness of the deliberate public policies that created this incredible human tragedy is strictly verboten. What a world!

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    • Replies: @anon

    It has touched nearly every American life, and yet to question the wisdom and goodness of the deliberate public policies that created this incredible human tragedy is strictly verboten.
     
    policed by the same media who pretend not to know how it happened

    classic media gas-lighting

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting
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  14. As preposterous as it sounds I agree with Coates about “black bodies”. Our EBT system supports a vast portion of the economy by selling packaged food products to welfare recipients. The cereal manufacturers make billions off this scam and are not required to disclose what percentage of their profits come from it. So stop deriding Mr. Coates and listen to his voice on racial matters.

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    That welfare can be a scam? Sure. On other matters, yeah, no.

    I mean, its absolutely true that there are industries that prey on taxpayers and low-information consumers. But this does not mean that its whitey's fault.

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  15. PR01 says:

    Moat white people have familiarity with black violence. In my case:
    Grandfather: sent to hospital after being jumped by gang of blacks, lost hearing from head wounds.
    Friend: jumped by gang of blacks while walking home one night and sent to hospital
    Other friend: shot dead cold-blooded by black gunman

    Proximity to violence will make people either want to fight back or leave. Fighting back is illegal.

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    Proximity to violence will make people either want to fight back or leave. Fighting back is illegal.
     
    It's drummed into white people constantly that any altercation between them and blacks will put them under suspicion of racism. Guilty until proven otherwise. Thus most will choose flight over fight.
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  16. black sea says:

    When successful blacks choose to live in predominatly black, middle class suburban neighborhoods, what exactly are they fleeing?

    Bad schools?
    High crime rates?
    Unkempt neighborhoods?
    Social pathologies that may influence their kids?

    What exactly are they seeking?

    A sense of community?
    Cultural identification with their neighbors?
    Potential friends for themselves and their children with whom they can easily identify?

    Aren’t people with some sense in their heads and some money in the bank generally pushed and pulled by the factors mentioned above?

    “Segregation doesn’t necessarily speak to bias and discrimination in all cases,” says William Boone, political science professor at Clark Atlanta University. “Sometimes, people make a rational choice.”

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/census/2001-07-09-minorities.htm

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  17. I recently made a couple of comments about the removal of Confederate statues in New Orleans. This is the kind of thing that explains why people who couldn’t care less about the Confederacy are pissed off.

    Not only are we driven out of the cities and neighborhoods that our parents lived in and that our ancestors built and not only can we never complain or even dare mention the reason but we are supposed to take the blame.

    Similarly, tax dollars build public schools. Parents are involved in the school (PTA, etc.) and push their children to do well and be well-behaved. Blacks come in and are disruptive, violent, and cause academics to nosedive thus driving out whites to move to other school districts or private schools. None of this can ever be mentioned. However, whites are to blame for the achievement gap, failing schools, etc.

    The pattern is: 1) the black population engages in outrageous behavior; 2) whites are not allowed to complain – ever; and 3) whites are obligated to grovel and have abused heaped upon them for crimes for which they are not only innocent but of which they are the victims.

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  18. TWalsh2 says:

    White flight and gentrification both – racist. You leave, you’re a racist. You return and try and make it nicer, you’re a racist. I suppose the only options left are: 1) you can return but can’t fix anything up; or, 2) handle it like the Mexicans in Compton did.

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  19. Jefferson says:

    You always see articles about how White flight financially hurts Black communities.

    But you never see articles about how Black flight from San Francisco, California for example financially hurts White and Asian communities or how Black flight from Austin, Texas financially hurts White and Mexican communities.

    Which goes to show you that Nonblack America gets by just fine without the Black purchasing power. The Black dollar is not needed in Nonblack America.

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  20. Busby says:

    Whatever you do, don’t mention the war!

    As in the chronic shortage of affordable housing resulting from the depression and war time resource allocation. A guaranteed VA home loan does squat for the newly married ex tank mechanic renting a one bedroom third floor walk up apartment in Bensonhurst. He can buy a 900 sq ft house with two bedrooms in Levittown for not much more than his monthly rent.

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  21. @Reg Cæsar
    Moving from UCLA to Princeton itself would constitute white flight.

    There's a Ra'anan Boustan at UCLA. Is that her squeeze?

    There's also a chain of Lebanese food joints in Montreal with that name. One of them was firebombed not too long ago.

    There’s a Ra’anan Boustan at UCLA. Is that her squeeze?

    He moved from Minnesota when she started at UCLA in 2006—where, of course, they were listed as faculty affiliates of the Alan D. Leve Center for Jewish Studies: http://www.cjs.ucla.edu/cjs-faculty/ —and are both just moving to Princeton, so I’d say yes. Cute couple…

    I wonder what neighborhood they chose in LA.

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    they were listed as faculty affiliates of the Alan D. Leve Center for Jewish Studies

     

    LOL! You can't make this stuff up.
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  22. Achilles says:

    It can’t be long before TNC quotes start appearing in fortune cookies.

    “TNC proverb say …”

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  23. josh says:

    Steve, have you read E. Michael Jones’ The Saughter of Cities: Urban Renewal as Ethnic Cleansing?

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    I'm guessing he doesn't want to endorse a book that in part implicates the eternal Anglo, given that he and many of his readers sympathize with the WASPs who are incessantly demonized by today's establishment.

    It's fair enough that he doesn't want to divide his audience over squabbles that aren't central to his critiques of modern society and politics. However, I often do wish he would analyze things at a bit deeper of a level, incorporating aspects of philosophy and religion. Instead of being remembered simply as a hilarious and insightful writer, he could go down in history as something of a prophet or a sage.

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  24. @elmer t. jones
    As preposterous as it sounds I agree with Coates about "black bodies". Our EBT system supports a vast portion of the economy by selling packaged food products to welfare recipients. The cereal manufacturers make billions off this scam and are not required to disclose what percentage of their profits come from it. So stop deriding Mr. Coates and listen to his voice on racial matters.

    That welfare can be a scam? Sure. On other matters, yeah, no.

    I mean, its absolutely true that there are industries that prey on taxpayers and low-information consumers. But this does not mean that its whitey’s fault.

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  25. @Charles Pewitt
    Hillary Clinton flew like a bird to the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York.

    Hillary Clinton supports White Flight for wealthy White people. Hillary Clinton thinks White people of modest means should live cheek by jowl with Blacks and Latinos.

    Hillary Clinton is a baby boomer hypocrite globalizer.

    I found it amusing that Hillary Clinton’s Washington, D.C. home is even on Whitehaven St.

    It sold for $1 in January 2000: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3067-Whitehaven-St-NW-Washington-DC-20008/68084274_zpid/

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    I wonder if $1 means "redacted" there? Did you notice the selling agent's name was Mary White?

    I'm having trouble reconciling (e.g. # of bedrooms, sale date) this house with this description from http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jun/10/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-she-and-bill-were-dead-broke/

    In December 2000, just as they were leaving the White House, they bought a seven-bedroom house near Embassy Row in Washington, D.C. The price was $2.85 million.
     
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  26. anon says: • Disclaimer

    It was ethnic cleansing of US major cities of Whites by black racial terrorism.

    Although Chicago Democrats are returning the favor by encouraging illegal Mexican immigration, Clintonian welfare reform, and elimination of public housing in the more desirable central city areas.

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  27. Shaq says:

    OT (maybe): List of National Merit Scholarship winners in California

    https://www.scribd.com/document/347901870/2017-California-National-Merit-scholarship-winners

    Interesting list of surnames.

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  28. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Was Donald Trump’s surprise victory due to his voters’ racism or their economic anxiety? The right answer might be that it was both.

    This kind of stuff is why I love Democratic strategists and the New York Times (but I repeat myself).

    Don’t consider the fact that you ran a horrible old crone who was widely disliked for decades, who can’t keep her eyes pointed in the same direction and apparently doesn’t understand how the electoral college works. Let’s instead focus on whether anyone who disagrees with us is a loser, an asshole, or both.

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  29. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Reminds of those murder defendants who simply insist that ‘the victim “fell”on the knife’.

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  30. J1234 says:

    More insight and wisdom from someone who wasn’t there. Twenty and early thirty-somethings know the world of the 60′s and 70′s better than those who lived through it.

    Back in 1973, my parents moved us from a neighborhood that had no blacks to a neighborhood that was about 20% black . We went from an all white neighborhood that maybe had a few bullies who would push you around a little (on rare occasion) to a neighborhood that had armed home invasions that led to one of our next door neighbors being assaulted and robbed and another neighbor being raped and shot. All the violence was perpetrated by blacks. My dad regretted the decision to move there for decades. Shortly after he moved out (a little over five years ago) someone dumped a dead body (black) on his street about a block away. The cops say it was gang related. The 20% black neighborhood we had come too back in ’73 was 99% black by the time he moved.

    That anecdotal experience can be multiplied by tens of millions of other Americans since the civil rights legislation of the 1960′s. Realtors in this part of the world called it “the donut hole” effect because it ate away the middle of cities. Parks that you could go to in the early 1960′s were no longer safe. Once thriving strip malls and retail complexes shriveled up and died. And then there were the riots of the 60′s. People didn’t move away so much because they were white but because they were parents. We even knew many liberal white Democrats who would move out of crappy changing neighborhoods. Nobody called them hypocrites back then because we empathized with their plight, and didn’t want them to subject their children to that kind of life.

    If you look at the author’s videos on youtube, you can tell that she’s bi-racial easier from video than you can by looking at still photos, even though her kids look pretty white. The dad looks pretty Semitic. She’s been placed in her position of prominence mostly because the powers that be want people to see her as a model of what the rest of us are supposed to be.

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  31. Spud Boy says:

    My parents fled the west side of Chicago in 1967, when I was five years old. As they told it, their (mostly Polish and Italian) neighborhood was perfectly safe in prior years; as kids they could safely walk any street any time of day or night.

    That all changed for obvious reasons; they left because if they had stayed, the value of their house would have declined. No doubt this is a positive feedback effect that accelerated the trend of white flight.
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  32. den-jae says:

    “Each suspect wielded his own knife” . . . Yeah, right . . .

    I began carrying a knife in 1953 at age 11 in the Westwood neighborhood, Dayton Ohio.

    (Really cool guys carried zip guns.)

    Believed I would be protecting myself against the black kids who would come across “the line” (3rd Street.) Like the 3 or 4 black kids who chased one of my newsboy buddies under a city bus on “the line.” Killed him dead for the 3 or 4 dollars he was carrying.

    The blacks would come over to tiny McNary Park. Not to play but rather to start fights once they had gained a 3 to 1 advantage on the handful of white kids who were there — to play fair.

    Then as now, basketball (on an unfenced asphalt court) was a prime outlet for such behavior.

    At age 14, I had a KNIFE TO THE THROAT experience. Four whites set upon by 14 – 16 blacks while we were playing there in Westwood under the Western Avenue bridge at Wolf creek.

    We pointed up to the street, yelled COPS !!!! and took off across the creek.

    In 1957 we moved 5 miles, to Kettering OH, when GM moved dad’s long-time job as a machine repairman to the new plant in Kettering. A nice black family had just moved into the house across the street in Westwood. The family’s father expressed reservations about the neighborhood to my dad. Wondering what would become of it when the whites had gone.

    I returned to Dayton toward the end of the 20th. Took a temp job helping to supervise the 2000 CENSUS all across Montgomery County. “Don’t go on 3rd Street after dark,” local Census workers advised. (DUH)

    Stopped by the diamond behind Westwood Elementary school while doing some Census follow-up. The backstop and the first-base-side players bench were just as they had been in the 1950’s.

    The rest of Westwood was not. “Suspects” gone. Knives now so pass’e

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    When I read things like this, I always have a bewildered question of why are they starting fights? Is it fun? What about juvenile record, doesn't that ruin you for life potentially?
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  33. Hockamaw says:
    @Some Economist

    There’s a Ra’anan Boustan at UCLA. Is that her squeeze?
     
    He moved from Minnesota when she started at UCLA in 2006---where, of course, they were listed as faculty affiliates of the Alan D. Leve Center for Jewish Studies: http://www.cjs.ucla.edu/cjs-faculty/ ---and are both just moving to Princeton, so I'd say yes. Cute couple...

    I wonder what neighborhood they chose in LA.

    they were listed as faculty affiliates of the Alan D. Leve Center for Jewish Studies

    LOL! You can’t make this stuff up.

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  34. Alfa158 says:

    I’m convinced that Larry Niven’s sci-fi series The Magic Goes Away unknowingly describes reality. White people exhausted all the Magic in the dirt of the urban areas, and moved out to the suburbs to exploit the Magic Dirt that still had potency. As the cities were vacated by Whites, Black people unknowingly moved into them, unaware that the Magic Dirt had been drained, and suffered accordingly. Section 8 and AFFH are intended to move Blacks into the outlying areas where the Magic Dirt still works.

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    "I’m convinced that Larry Niven’s sci-fi series The Magic Goes Away unknowingly describes reality. White people exhausted all the Magic in the dirt of the urban areas, and moved out to the suburbs to exploit the Magic Dirt that still had potency. As the cities were vacated by Whites, Black people unknowingly moved into them, unaware that the Magic Dirt had been drained, and suffered accordingly. Section 8 and AFFH are intended to move Blacks into the outlying areas where the Magic Dirt still works."

    Do You Believe In Magic by The Lovin Spoonful should be the official theme song of White America and our precious Magic Dirt.
    https://youtu.be/mDYNuD4CwlI
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  35. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Charles Pewitt
    Hillary Clinton flew like a bird to the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York.

    Hillary Clinton supports White Flight for wealthy White people. Hillary Clinton thinks White people of modest means should live cheek by jowl with Blacks and Latinos.

    Hillary Clinton is a baby boomer hypocrite globalizer.

    And Bernie took off for Vermont!

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  36. Jefferson says:
    @Alfa158
    I'm convinced that Larry Niven's sci-fi series The Magic Goes Away unknowingly describes reality. White people exhausted all the Magic in the dirt of the urban areas, and moved out to the suburbs to exploit the Magic Dirt that still had potency. As the cities were vacated by Whites, Black people unknowingly moved into them, unaware that the Magic Dirt had been drained, and suffered accordingly. Section 8 and AFFH are intended to move Blacks into the outlying areas where the Magic Dirt still works.

    “I’m convinced that Larry Niven’s sci-fi series The Magic Goes Away unknowingly describes reality. White people exhausted all the Magic in the dirt of the urban areas, and moved out to the suburbs to exploit the Magic Dirt that still had potency. As the cities were vacated by Whites, Black people unknowingly moved into them, unaware that the Magic Dirt had been drained, and suffered accordingly. Section 8 and AFFH are intended to move Blacks into the outlying areas where the Magic Dirt still works.”

    Do You Believe In Magic by The Lovin Spoonful should be the official theme song of White America and our precious Magic Dirt.

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  37. It’s always White Flight but never Black Fight.

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  38. My wife’s family had to move out of East Flatbush because her mother had been mugged twice and her grandfather three times. They’re Chinese, but they moved to a Russian neighborhood. Does that count as white flight?

    My wife was four when she, her mother, and her eight year old brother were mugged in the stairwell of their building by two young men. Her mother pushed the kids behind her while the young men screamed and threatened her children.

    Each suspect wielded his own knife.

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    My dad mentioned a Chinese girl who was surprised that two blacks would literally follow her car back home, attack her, rape her, and then rob everything she had. This was in a relatively "good area" too.

    Some people just lack street smarts to survive in the cruel, hard streets of Amerika.

    Don't let strange cars follow you back home.
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  39. @den-jae
    "Each suspect wielded his own knife” . . . Yeah, right . . .

    I began carrying a knife in 1953 at age 11 in the Westwood neighborhood, Dayton Ohio.

    (Really cool guys carried zip guns.)

    Believed I would be protecting myself against the black kids who would come across "the line" (3rd Street.) Like the 3 or 4 black kids who chased one of my newsboy buddies under a city bus on "the line." Killed him dead for the 3 or 4 dollars he was carrying.

    The blacks would come over to tiny McNary Park. Not to play but rather to start fights once they had gained a 3 to 1 advantage on the handful of white kids who were there -- to play fair.

    Then as now, basketball (on an unfenced asphalt court) was a prime outlet for such behavior.

    At age 14, I had a KNIFE TO THE THROAT experience. Four whites set upon by 14 - 16 blacks while we were playing there in Westwood under the Western Avenue bridge at Wolf creek.

    We pointed up to the street, yelled COPS !!!! and took off across the creek.

    In 1957 we moved 5 miles, to Kettering OH, when GM moved dad's long-time job as a machine repairman to the new plant in Kettering. A nice black family had just moved into the house across the street in Westwood. The family's father expressed reservations about the neighborhood to my dad. Wondering what would become of it when the whites had gone.

    I returned to Dayton toward the end of the 20th. Took a temp job helping to supervise the 2000 CENSUS all across Montgomery County. “Don’t go on 3rd Street after dark,” local Census workers advised. (DUH)

    Stopped by the diamond behind Westwood Elementary school while doing some Census follow-up. The backstop and the first-base-side players bench were just as they had been in the 1950’s.

    The rest of Westwood was not. “Suspects" gone. Knives now so pass’e

    When I read things like this, I always have a bewildered question of why are they starting fights? Is it fun? What about juvenile record, doesn’t that ruin you for life potentially?

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    When I read things like this, I always have a bewildered question of why are they starting fights? Is it fun? What about juvenile record, doesn’t that ruin you for life potentially?
     
    Most days when I walk to work, there's a corner I pass where four little black kids (none older than eight, I would guess) wait for their school bus to show up, along with a somewhat older chicano girl (probably 10 or so) who spends most of her wait staring at her cell phone and trying to stoically ignore her schoolmates.

    The black kids, much of the time, amuse themselves by pounding on each other. I'm not sure if that's nature or nurture at work, but they seem to consider it fun. I'm sure it contributes added vibrancy at the school they are being bussed to.
    , @anon

    Is it fun?
     
    watch a wildlife program about chimps and you should see the adolescent males form into a gang and patrol their troupe's border - if they see other chimps they fight

    it's an ape sub-routine - fun if you have those genetics

    the very rough (white) people i grew up among did it as well - the big difference between the white kids who liked it (a minority) and the black kids who liked it (a larger minority) was the black kids used knives vastly more often and


    What about juvenile record, doesn’t that ruin you for life potentially?
     
    they were more impulsive and didn't seem to care about (or maybe even understand) the future.

    in those kind of environments not getting a criminal record is pretty much an IQ test as everyone does illegal stuff for the adrenaline but it's mostly the dumbest who get caught.

    , @Alden
    Juvenile records are sealed forever. I'm sure Michael Brown the gentle giant of Ferguson had a long juvenile criminal record but it remained sealed.

    Los Angeles police are recruiting people with adult felonies so as to fill the ranks with blacks and Browns so as to exclude Whites.
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  40. Can’t move in (gentrification), can’t move out (white flight).

    The only move you are approved to make is Vertical, ie ‘inevitable demographic change.’

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  41. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    My wife's family had to move out of East Flatbush because her mother had been mugged twice and her grandfather three times. They're Chinese, but they moved to a Russian neighborhood. Does that count as white flight?

    My wife was four when she, her mother, and her eight year old brother were mugged in the stairwell of their building by two young men. Her mother pushed the kids behind her while the young men screamed and threatened her children.

    Each suspect wielded his own knife.

    My dad mentioned a Chinese girl who was surprised that two blacks would literally follow her car back home, attack her, rape her, and then rob everything she had. This was in a relatively “good area” too.

    Some people just lack street smarts to survive in the cruel, hard streets of Amerika.

    Don’t let strange cars follow you back home.

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  42. @Steve Johnson

    A similar question of “whodunit” inspired my research on the history of postwar white flight. White movement to the suburbs coincided with a period of substantial black migration out of the rural South: From 1940 to 1970, four million blacks settled in industrial cities in the North and West. As they moved in, the fraction of white metropolitan households living in the typical Northern or Western central city fell from two-thirds to one-third.
     
    Ethnic cleansing is the term of art here, I believe.

    From 1940 to 1970, four million blacks settled in industrial cities in the North and West. As they moved in, the fraction of white metropolitan households living in the typical Northern or Western central city fell from two-thirds to one-third.

    This was inevitable regardless of black migration. American cities outlawed new urban construction after the war. In the 1930s, the Roosevelt administration gave university architects the power to draw up plans for a new way of living in America. Nobody rebelled against it at the time because nobody could get financing to build anything until the Depression and war were over more than a decade later. The cities had to put the new laws on the books to get federal funding they needed badly in the hard years. Auto makers, pavement contractors, and oil companies demanded that the new regulations be implemented so that they’d produce isolated single-use motor pods and major highways.

    And thus the suburb was born.

    Since new urban construction was outlawed, suburbs were built. The baby boom meant the population was quickly doubling, so lots and lots of housing was needed. And all the new housing was suburban.

    It had nothing to do with black migration. Suburbs grew and people lived in them because anything else was illegal. You don’t see Paris, a near-majority black and Muslim city, abandoning its beautiful core. There they made the newcomers live in the suburbs and kept the city for themselves. But still the suburbs now hold most of the population—including most of the white population—and the suburbs are built according to the legal regulations on how Paris suburbs should look. They resemble neither Paris nor American suburbs.

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    Where did you come up with this fairy tale? That cities outlawed urban construction?

    I could see the jews doing that, to eliminate any more competition for the real estate they already owned downtown. But if there was a somewhat honest city government, let them build. City gets taxes from the new buildings after all.

    Obvious reason for suburbia was cost. Go buy 1200 acres of farm land and build 8000 homes; maybe $10,000 per home, turnkey, in the '50s outside of most big cities. Less than rent in most buildings. No brainer.

    Nice yard where the kids can play, not in the street like the city.

    The racial angle was in the '60s, during the great white awareness of the true nature of blacks...
    , @Alden
    You're out of your mind.

    I married into a construction family. From 1948 to about 1960 my father in law's company built half the Sunset district of San Francisco. The Twin Peaks neighborhood, Lake Merced, and Stonestown were also built during that time. 70 years later the family is still building office towers and 30 story condos in San Francisco.

    What's your source for urban construction being outlawed? I'm surprised you didn't cite the liberal propaganda that it was all president Eisenhower's fault for building the freeways.

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  43. res says:
    @Some Economist
    I found it amusing that Hillary Clinton's Washington, D.C. home is even on Whitehaven St.

    It sold for $1 in January 2000: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3067-Whitehaven-St-NW-Washington-DC-20008/68084274_zpid/

    I wonder if $1 means “redacted” there? Did you notice the selling agent’s name was Mary White?

    I’m having trouble reconciling (e.g. # of bedrooms, sale date) this house with this description from http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jun/10/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-she-and-bill-were-dead-broke/

    In December 2000, just as they were leaving the White House, they bought a seven-bedroom house near Embassy Row in Washington, D.C. The price was $2.85 million.

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    I seem to recall that the Clintons' great and good friend, Terry McAuliffe (currently VA governor), helped them buy their D.C. house. Either he loaned them the money outright, or co-signed the mortgage, or facilitated the purchase in some significant way. Absent McAuliffe's assistance, Bill and Hillary would have been reduced to renting an apartment in Adams-Morgan. (Or, failing that, Anacostia. Maybe a month of Sundays in that neighborhood would have taught her not to clap on the one...)

    O.K., that's an exaggeration. But the Clintons did have staggering legal bills to pay when they left the White House in 2001; Williams & Connolly didn't become a major law firm by writing off millions of dollars in fees from clients soon to be worth plenty. And their book deals were still in the future. But that $1 ("and other good and valuable consideration") price for Hillary's house looks a little low. HRC's way of saying, "how much this U.S. Senator's home is worth is none of anyone's business"? That's entirely consistent with the way she's done business for decades: "Quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi."
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  44. Bill says:
    @Anonymous
    Ok, so the fraction of white metropolitan households fell from two thirds to one third. Does anyone ever ask whether that would have happened anyway? Perhaps there was a preference for suburban vs urban quite independent of any racism? Perhaps the cities would have ended up one third white and one third empty, instead of one third white and two thirds black?

    That is unlikely to be completely true, but it could at least be one of the knives.

    More realistically, I tend to see a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem. Did whites abandoning the cities give blacks the opportunity to move there, or did blacks moving there drive whites to abandon the cities? I'm not old enough to remember those times, so I can only imagine, guess, and reason about it.

    Perhaps there was a preference for suburban vs urban quite independent of any racism? . . . I tend to see a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem. Did whites abandoning the cities give blacks the opportunity to move there, or did blacks moving there drive whites to abandon the cities?

    You’re wrong.

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  45. @Daniel Chieh
    When I read things like this, I always have a bewildered question of why are they starting fights? Is it fun? What about juvenile record, doesn't that ruin you for life potentially?

    When I read things like this, I always have a bewildered question of why are they starting fights? Is it fun? What about juvenile record, doesn’t that ruin you for life potentially?

    Most days when I walk to work, there’s a corner I pass where four little black kids (none older than eight, I would guess) wait for their school bus to show up, along with a somewhat older chicano girl (probably 10 or so) who spends most of her wait staring at her cell phone and trying to stoically ignore her schoolmates.

    The black kids, much of the time, amuse themselves by pounding on each other. I’m not sure if that’s nature or nurture at work, but they seem to consider it fun. I’m sure it contributes added vibrancy at the school they are being bussed to.

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  46. I have a friend who says the moment he and his wife decided to leave Jersey City was when they were stuck behind a black kid, maybe 4 or 5, riding a Big Wheel in the middle of the street and they beeped the horn. The kid gave them the finger and they both realized they were afraid to beep the horn again.

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    That kid's name? Michael Brown.
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  47. ATBOTL says:

    We have done a bad job of documenting the real story of white flight. There should be a whole bunch of well written, well researched books that tell the story from different angles.

    Full length, published books reach a much wider audience than blogs or new aggregation websites. They also have a longer period of usefulness. Much longer.

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    Right, for example, the massive Jewish White Flight from the LAUSD school district in the late 1970s due to busing has pretty much vanished down the memory hole, even though it was a huge story at the time in Los Angeles and it involved lots of people who are today professional writers.
    , @George
    bad job of documenting

    The Slaughter of Cities: Urban Renewal as Ethnic Cleansing- E Michael Jones

    The Power Broker - Robert Caro
    , @anon

    We have done a bad job of documenting the real story of white flight.
     
    "We?"

    The media has actively covered up and enforced silence over the truth for 50 years - but yes, despite the media it's about time the true story was written down before the memory is gone.
    , @Desiderius
    That's the science, but don't we already have a pretty good intuitive handle on that, even if people are afraid to talk about it?

    When do we get started on the engineering?
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  48. @ATBOTL
    We have done a bad job of documenting the real story of white flight. There should be a whole bunch of well written, well researched books that tell the story from different angles.

    Full length, published books reach a much wider audience than blogs or new aggregation websites. They also have a longer period of usefulness. Much longer.

    Right, for example, the massive Jewish White Flight from the LAUSD school district in the late 1970s due to busing has pretty much vanished down the memory hole, even though it was a huge story at the time in Los Angeles and it involved lots of people who are today professional writers.

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  49. “Culprits” is a dysphemism for the uprooted victims.

    “Culprits” also implies that a crime was committed in “white flight.” As in, the things culpable for white flight. That’s interesting phraseology, at the minimum.

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  50. anon says: • Disclaimer

    My parents bought their house in DC in the 70s where I grew up during the heyday of the crack epidemic. Granted it wasn’t the total warzone of Anacostia, but ~10 shootings and a race riot in my neighborhood during an upper-middle class childhood is probably too many.

    When I asked my parents why we didn’t move to Farifax county (where I went to private school, thankfully–the local public school where shootings were commonplace before they were cool was no place for a computery white kid, and we weren’t quite well off enough for the Sidwell Friends/St. Alban’s set) my mom said “this is OUR neighborhood and we’re not going to surrender it to these animals.”

    My dad still lives in that house and it is, improbably, a $1M mansion at this point.

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    Good for him. See a lot of that, and the results of past generations doing that, in the part of town I'm living in now.

    A lot of the bellyaching about what you're "allowed" to do seems like a cop out.
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  51. George says:
    @ATBOTL
    We have done a bad job of documenting the real story of white flight. There should be a whole bunch of well written, well researched books that tell the story from different angles.

    Full length, published books reach a much wider audience than blogs or new aggregation websites. They also have a longer period of usefulness. Much longer.

    bad job of documenting

    The Slaughter of Cities: Urban Renewal as Ethnic Cleansing- E Michael Jones

    The Power Broker – Robert Caro

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  52. J.Ross says: • Website

    If I was writing a cheesy novel with a third-rank bad guy minion, who exists to sew up one plot point and suffer an entertaining death well before the climax, I would have him natter about the excellent classic novels he digests, as he ignorantly doubted the well-documented physical suffering of others.
    Is this Leah person real or a satire, like when HuffPo published a South African analyst pretending to be an literal feminazi?

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  53. Dee says:
    @(((Owen)))

    From 1940 to 1970, four million blacks settled in industrial cities in the North and West. As they moved in, the fraction of white metropolitan households living in the typical Northern or Western central city fell from two-thirds to one-third.
     
    This was inevitable regardless of black migration. American cities outlawed new urban construction after the war. In the 1930s, the Roosevelt administration gave university architects the power to draw up plans for a new way of living in America. Nobody rebelled against it at the time because nobody could get financing to build anything until the Depression and war were over more than a decade later. The cities had to put the new laws on the books to get federal funding they needed badly in the hard years. Auto makers, pavement contractors, and oil companies demanded that the new regulations be implemented so that they'd produce isolated single-use motor pods and major highways.

    And thus the suburb was born.

    Since new urban construction was outlawed, suburbs were built. The baby boom meant the population was quickly doubling, so lots and lots of housing was needed. And all the new housing was suburban.

    It had nothing to do with black migration. Suburbs grew and people lived in them because anything else was illegal. You don't see Paris, a near-majority black and Muslim city, abandoning its beautiful core. There they made the newcomers live in the suburbs and kept the city for themselves. But still the suburbs now hold most of the population—including most of the white population—and the suburbs are built according to the legal regulations on how Paris suburbs should look. They resemble neither Paris nor American suburbs.

    Where did you come up with this fairy tale? That cities outlawed urban construction?

    I could see the jews doing that, to eliminate any more competition for the real estate they already owned downtown. But if there was a somewhat honest city government, let them build. City gets taxes from the new buildings after all.

    Obvious reason for suburbia was cost. Go buy 1200 acres of farm land and build 8000 homes; maybe $10,000 per home, turnkey, in the ’50s outside of most big cities. Less than rent in most buildings. No brainer.

    Nice yard where the kids can play, not in the street like the city.

    The racial angle was in the ’60s, during the great white awareness of the true nature of blacks…

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  54. anon says: • Disclaimer

    poisonous media lies like this have been deliberately gas-lighting an entire civilization for 50 years

    mass low skill immigration, internal or external, is almost always disproportionately young male led

    this leads to lots of small-scale criminal violence with the majority of the victims being the children of the original population – so the parents move them away

    white flight is and always has been violent ethnic cleansing – covered up by a filthy lying media

    white flight = gang-raped 14 year old white girls and gang-stabbed 16 year old white boys

    and they may not have been able to articulate exactly why they moved.

    because the media destroy anyone who tells the truth

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  55. Ed says:

    I’ll have you all know that Richard Rothstein joins Coates to say that whites were manipulated by the gov’t to be flee black areas.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ztkwi5tp7M&feature=youtu.be

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  56. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Hockamaw
    The hollowing out and destruction of every inner city in this country from Atlantic to Pacific that occurred as a direct result of the racial policies of the 1960s is the most important and yet the least understood occurrence certainly of the 20th Century and perhaps in all of American history. It has touched nearly every American life, and yet to question the wisdom and goodness of the deliberate public policies that created this incredible human tragedy is strictly verboten. What a world!

    It has touched nearly every American life, and yet to question the wisdom and goodness of the deliberate public policies that created this incredible human tragedy is strictly verboten.

    policed by the same media who pretend not to know how it happened

    classic media gas-lighting

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

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  57. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @ATBOTL
    We have done a bad job of documenting the real story of white flight. There should be a whole bunch of well written, well researched books that tell the story from different angles.

    Full length, published books reach a much wider audience than blogs or new aggregation websites. They also have a longer period of usefulness. Much longer.

    We have done a bad job of documenting the real story of white flight.

    “We?”

    The media has actively covered up and enforced silence over the truth for 50 years – but yes, despite the media it’s about time the true story was written down before the memory is gone.

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  58. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Daniel Chieh
    When I read things like this, I always have a bewildered question of why are they starting fights? Is it fun? What about juvenile record, doesn't that ruin you for life potentially?

    Is it fun?

    watch a wildlife program about chimps and you should see the adolescent males form into a gang and patrol their troupe’s border – if they see other chimps they fight

    it’s an ape sub-routine – fun if you have those genetics

    the very rough (white) people i grew up among did it as well – the big difference between the white kids who liked it (a minority) and the black kids who liked it (a larger minority) was the black kids used knives vastly more often and

    What about juvenile record, doesn’t that ruin you for life potentially?

    they were more impulsive and didn’t seem to care about (or maybe even understand) the future.

    in those kind of environments not getting a criminal record is pretty much an IQ test as everyone does illegal stuff for the adrenaline but it’s mostly the dumbest who get caught.

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  59. Lurker says:
    @PR01
    Moat white people have familiarity with black violence. In my case:
    Grandfather: sent to hospital after being jumped by gang of blacks, lost hearing from head wounds.
    Friend: jumped by gang of blacks while walking home one night and sent to hospital
    Other friend: shot dead cold-blooded by black gunman

    Proximity to violence will make people either want to fight back or leave. Fighting back is illegal.

    Proximity to violence will make people either want to fight back or leave. Fighting back is illegal.

    It’s drummed into white people constantly that any altercation between them and blacks will put them under suspicion of racism. Guilty until proven otherwise. Thus most will choose flight over fight.

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  60. @ATBOTL
    We have done a bad job of documenting the real story of white flight. There should be a whole bunch of well written, well researched books that tell the story from different angles.

    Full length, published books reach a much wider audience than blogs or new aggregation websites. They also have a longer period of usefulness. Much longer.

    That’s the science, but don’t we already have a pretty good intuitive handle on that, even if people are afraid to talk about it?

    When do we get started on the engineering?

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  61. @anon
    My parents bought their house in DC in the 70s where I grew up during the heyday of the crack epidemic. Granted it wasn't the total warzone of Anacostia, but ~10 shootings and a race riot in my neighborhood during an upper-middle class childhood is probably too many.

    When I asked my parents why we didn't move to Farifax county (where I went to private school, thankfully--the local public school where shootings were commonplace before they were cool was no place for a computery white kid, and we weren't quite well off enough for the Sidwell Friends/St. Alban's set) my mom said "this is OUR neighborhood and we're not going to surrender it to these animals."

    My dad still lives in that house and it is, improbably, a $1M mansion at this point.

    Good for him. See a lot of that, and the results of past generations doing that, in the part of town I’m living in now.

    A lot of the bellyaching about what you’re “allowed” to do seems like a cop out.

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  62. wiseguy says:
    @josh
    Steve, have you read E. Michael Jones' The Saughter of Cities: Urban Renewal as Ethnic Cleansing?

    I’m guessing he doesn’t want to endorse a book that in part implicates the eternal Anglo, given that he and many of his readers sympathize with the WASPs who are incessantly demonized by today’s establishment.

    It’s fair enough that he doesn’t want to divide his audience over squabbles that aren’t central to his critiques of modern society and politics. However, I often do wish he would analyze things at a bit deeper of a level, incorporating aspects of philosophy and religion. Instead of being remembered simply as a hilarious and insightful writer, he could go down in history as something of a prophet or a sage.

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  63. @res
    I wonder if $1 means "redacted" there? Did you notice the selling agent's name was Mary White?

    I'm having trouble reconciling (e.g. # of bedrooms, sale date) this house with this description from http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jun/10/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-she-and-bill-were-dead-broke/

    In December 2000, just as they were leaving the White House, they bought a seven-bedroom house near Embassy Row in Washington, D.C. The price was $2.85 million.
     

    I seem to recall that the Clintons’ great and good friend, Terry McAuliffe (currently VA governor), helped them buy their D.C. house. Either he loaned them the money outright, or co-signed the mortgage, or facilitated the purchase in some significant way. Absent McAuliffe’s assistance, Bill and Hillary would have been reduced to renting an apartment in Adams-Morgan. (Or, failing that, Anacostia. Maybe a month of Sundays in that neighborhood would have taught her not to clap on the one…)

    O.K., that’s an exaggeration. But the Clintons did have staggering legal bills to pay when they left the White House in 2001; Williams & Connolly didn’t become a major law firm by writing off millions of dollars in fees from clients soon to be worth plenty. And their book deals were still in the future. But that $1 (“and other good and valuable consideration”) price for Hillary’s house looks a little low. HRC’s way of saying, “how much this U.S. Senator’s home is worth is none of anyone’s business”? That’s entirely consistent with the way she’s done business for decades: “Quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi.

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    Didn't the Clintons have their 20 million book deals already signed? I've always wondered if the publishers ever get those advances back. The Obamas are getting 60 million apiece. I've seen the endless Hikdabeast books in the $5.00 bins 2 months after they come out.
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  64. Pericles says:
    @william munny
    I have a friend who says the moment he and his wife decided to leave Jersey City was when they were stuck behind a black kid, maybe 4 or 5, riding a Big Wheel in the middle of the street and they beeped the horn. The kid gave them the finger and they both realized they were afraid to beep the horn again.

    That kid’s name? Michael Brown.

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  65. Alden says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    When I read things like this, I always have a bewildered question of why are they starting fights? Is it fun? What about juvenile record, doesn't that ruin you for life potentially?

    Juvenile records are sealed forever. I’m sure Michael Brown the gentle giant of Ferguson had a long juvenile criminal record but it remained sealed.

    Los Angeles police are recruiting people with adult felonies so as to fill the ranks with blacks and Browns so as to exclude Whites.

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  66. Alden says:

    When I was in college in the early 1960s I was required to take some dipsh*t sociology course. It had entire chapters blaming White flight for the condition of the cities. White flight had nothing to do with black terrorism but was entirely due to White racism and prejudice.
    55 years later the same old cr*p.

    I also read Gunnar Myrdahl’s book about racism in Anerica for that class. Gave me an enduring dislike of Sweden.

    Starting in 1950 the 9 and 10 year old terrorists brought pillow cases of stones to the playgrounds in the Excelsior District of San Francisco. They stoned White kids who came to play.

    At the same time the adult terrorists in the Potero District of San Francisco invaded the homes of Whites when everybody was at work. They robbed of course but they also brought crowbars and sledge hammers and destroyed everything including kitchens and bathrooms as well as furniture.

    Major reason Potero was destroyed was that the big county hospital was in the neighborhood After the war the city decided to hire blacks to staff the hospital.
    What was worse was that the city built housing for blacks in the neighborhood. The sons of the hospital workers turned a lovely safe White neighborhood into a crime ridden ghetto in less than 10 years.

    The great hero of Potero was Yosemite Sam Perez. His grandfather opened a grocery store back in the 1890s. When black terrorism began he kept a gun and started using it on would be robbers. By the time I heard about him he had shot 27 robbers. I don’t think he killed any.

    Protero has been reconquistad. I hope the Perezes still own the store. It’s probably worth millions by now.

    I have a soft spot for gay men. That is because they reclaimed one of the loveliest neighborhoods in San Francisco, Fillmore.
    Blacks destroyed that neighborhood in the 8 years between 1942 and 1950.

    The gays were very blatant about what they were doing. ” we’re single men. We don’t have women and children to protect.” “We have guns and will use them” The gays took care to travel in groups and guard each other’s homes.

    It only took about 15 years and now Fillmore is back to what it was in 1940 before the black terrorists took over.

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  67. JackOH says:

    I’ve commented before under Steve’s posts regarding the ethnic cleansing of Whites from America’s once great cities. I’ll just add that a 25th century historian compiling a list of great misdeeds by nation-states would, I think, give good attention to the laws that effectively compelled tens of millions of Whites to flee the homes and institutions they’d built up over generations. For what?

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    I’ve commented before under Steve’s posts regarding the ethnic cleansing of Whites from America’s once great cities. I’ll just add that a 25th century historian compiling a list of great misdeeds by nation-states would, I think, give good attention to the laws that effectively compelled tens of millions of Whites to flee the homes and institutions they’d built up over generations. For what?
     
    For the benefit of the people who thought up the laws.
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  68. @JackOH
    I've commented before under Steve's posts regarding the ethnic cleansing of Whites from America's once great cities. I'll just add that a 25th century historian compiling a list of great misdeeds by nation-states would, I think, give good attention to the laws that effectively compelled tens of millions of Whites to flee the homes and institutions they'd built up over generations. For what?

    I’ve commented before under Steve’s posts regarding the ethnic cleansing of Whites from America’s once great cities. I’ll just add that a 25th century historian compiling a list of great misdeeds by nation-states would, I think, give good attention to the laws that effectively compelled tens of millions of Whites to flee the homes and institutions they’d built up over generations. For what?

    For the benefit of the people who thought up the laws.

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  69. Alden says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Hillary Clinton flew like a bird to the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York.

    Hillary Clinton supports White Flight for wealthy White people. Hillary Clinton thinks White people of modest means should live cheek by jowl with Blacks and Latinos.

    Hillary Clinton is a baby boomer hypocrite globalizer.

    She grew up in 99% Park Ridge and then went to college in 99% White Wellesley MA. The only time she lived near blacks was when she lived in New Haven.

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  70. Alden says:
    @(((Owen)))

    From 1940 to 1970, four million blacks settled in industrial cities in the North and West. As they moved in, the fraction of white metropolitan households living in the typical Northern or Western central city fell from two-thirds to one-third.
     
    This was inevitable regardless of black migration. American cities outlawed new urban construction after the war. In the 1930s, the Roosevelt administration gave university architects the power to draw up plans for a new way of living in America. Nobody rebelled against it at the time because nobody could get financing to build anything until the Depression and war were over more than a decade later. The cities had to put the new laws on the books to get federal funding they needed badly in the hard years. Auto makers, pavement contractors, and oil companies demanded that the new regulations be implemented so that they'd produce isolated single-use motor pods and major highways.

    And thus the suburb was born.

    Since new urban construction was outlawed, suburbs were built. The baby boom meant the population was quickly doubling, so lots and lots of housing was needed. And all the new housing was suburban.

    It had nothing to do with black migration. Suburbs grew and people lived in them because anything else was illegal. You don't see Paris, a near-majority black and Muslim city, abandoning its beautiful core. There they made the newcomers live in the suburbs and kept the city for themselves. But still the suburbs now hold most of the population—including most of the white population—and the suburbs are built according to the legal regulations on how Paris suburbs should look. They resemble neither Paris nor American suburbs.

    You’re out of your mind.

    I married into a construction family. From 1948 to about 1960 my father in law’s company built half the Sunset district of San Francisco. The Twin Peaks neighborhood, Lake Merced, and Stonestown were also built during that time. 70 years later the family is still building office towers and 30 story condos in San Francisco.

    What’s your source for urban construction being outlawed? I’m surprised you didn’t cite the liberal propaganda that it was all president Eisenhower’s fault for building the freeways.

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  71. Alden says:
    @Gary in Gramercy
    I seem to recall that the Clintons' great and good friend, Terry McAuliffe (currently VA governor), helped them buy their D.C. house. Either he loaned them the money outright, or co-signed the mortgage, or facilitated the purchase in some significant way. Absent McAuliffe's assistance, Bill and Hillary would have been reduced to renting an apartment in Adams-Morgan. (Or, failing that, Anacostia. Maybe a month of Sundays in that neighborhood would have taught her not to clap on the one...)

    O.K., that's an exaggeration. But the Clintons did have staggering legal bills to pay when they left the White House in 2001; Williams & Connolly didn't become a major law firm by writing off millions of dollars in fees from clients soon to be worth plenty. And their book deals were still in the future. But that $1 ("and other good and valuable consideration") price for Hillary's house looks a little low. HRC's way of saying, "how much this U.S. Senator's home is worth is none of anyone's business"? That's entirely consistent with the way she's done business for decades: "Quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi."

    Didn’t the Clintons have their 20 million book deals already signed? I’ve always wondered if the publishers ever get those advances back. The Obamas are getting 60 million apiece. I’ve seen the endless Hikdabeast books in the $5.00 bins 2 months after they come out.

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