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From my movie review in Taki’s Magazine:

The 1982 Blade Runner was also one of the first (and last) sci-fi movies to feature demographic change. Los Angeles in 2019 was overwhelmed by Asian immigrants and everybody had moved back downtown into giant high-rises, two forecasts that seem right on track with two years to go.

While the mass immigration and the no-backyards crowding are arriving on schedule, Blade Runner’s flying cars and off-world space colonies, however, are lagging.

To this day, most other sci-fi movies foresee a future America that’s majority white with African-Americans as the main minority. Idiocracy is just about the only successor to Blade Runner in suggesting that America’s dystopian future will be even less white than its present.

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  1. Romanian says: • Website

    Was it really one of the few to show demographic change? I vaguely remember many sci fi movies adding diversity for disquieting effects. The characters would speak multiple languages within their community, or would speak a sort of pidgin with swear words in other languages. Later, the diversity became a positive thing. I remember the more recent movie, the 5th element, and how Bruce Willis’s character is served a meal by a Chinese guy on a floating junk.

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    • Replies: @Clyde
    The Fifth Element was what made Milla Jovovich into a sci-fi fan doll. Propelling her to where she has made millions off the Resident Evil franchise. More power to her, she is delicious. Also the first time I saw clown Chris Tucker who makes me laugh, unlike most of today's alleged comics.
    , @Escher
    The 80s had a few movies showing this dystopian future, one being the unforgettable ‘Robocop 2’ that I enjoyed for a few minutes last night.
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  2. Great review, Steve. One of your strengths as a writer is you know when to stop.

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    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Agreed, unlike the first Bladerunner, which definitely needed to be edited by about 20 minutes.
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  3. MEH 0910 says:

    As the advanced synthetic replicant Rachael, Sean Young dressed like Joan Crawford in Mildred Pierce, with the shoulder pads of a Baltimore Colt.

    Violinist Eugene Fodor stars in SCTV’s New York Rhapsody (full episode)

    This SCTV episode entitled ‘New York Rhapsody’ was originally aired in November 1981. It stars the great American violinist Eugene Fodor who plays the role of Paul Boray. It is a parody of the movie ‘Humoresque’ with Joan Crawford.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Fodor_(violinist)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronko_Nagurski

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  4. Twinkie says:

    Los Angeles in 2019 was overwhelmed by Asian immigrants

    I know them Asians all look the same to you and all, but wasn’t the L.A. of the original basically a Japanese colony, reflecting the American anxiety about Japanese industrial competition of the early 1980′s?

    Yeah… what happened to Japan?

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    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    Yep. Concern was rampant - note that this movie starred the equally-famous Sean Connery:

    https://youtu.be/a8zH5vjXGTA
    , @Clyde
    China is the real Japan. The Japan we feared in 80s and 90s that didn't pan out. China with all its free trade profits and the demographic heft of a billion and a half Chinamen can really screw with us. They are all nuked up and have a growing and advancing military. They have buildings full of cyber war hackers ready to take down American electric grids, military satellites and stock exchanges. The Japanese and Koreans are very clever and good but are comfort seekers. While China is raw and angry. Has scores to settle.
    , @Romanian
    They needed more immigrants, failed to get them and suffered the consequences. QED.
    , @snorlax
    IIRC it was a joint Japanese-Chinese colony, which made it quite a bit more prescient than most of the "Japan takes over the world" genre.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    Re:

    "... American anxiety about Japanese industrial competition of the early 1980′s?

    Yeah… what happened to Japan?"
     

    Population of Japan: 127 million

    Population of China: 1.37 BILLION

    Furthermore, Japan and China now each hold more than 1.2 TRILLION DOLLARS of US government debt. We owe our souls to both of them, and one of them is a monster.

    It is a monster that is "part of a lineage," that has "children and ancestors," that comprises "a people" who dwarf us and who work together -- whom nobody is telling can't be a people.

    , @Bill

    Yeah… what happened to Japan?
     
    Paul Krugman.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    I noticed references to the CCCP in one of the ads, so this implies that the Soviet Union has survived to the future era of Blade Runner. Clearly a very different world.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Well, it's still Japanese, for one thing. They seem to have a much better chance at retaining control of their own society, culture, economy, and government, than traditional Americans do, at least in the near to medium-term future.

    (long-term, sure, I don't know how a non-nuclear country with an aged, declining population and no natural resources resists China in warfare or merely a blockade; just saying that at least there is still "a Japanese Japan" and good for them)
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  5. @Twinkie

    Los Angeles in 2019 was overwhelmed by Asian immigrants
     
    I know them Asians all look the same to you and all, but wasn't the L.A. of the original basically a Japanese colony, reflecting the American anxiety about Japanese industrial competition of the early 1980's?

    Yeah... what happened to Japan?

    Yep. Concern was rampant – note that this movie starred the equally-famous Sean Connery:

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    • Replies: @songbird
    It's funny how things change. The idea of the Japanese taking over actually seems kind of utopian now.
    , @Twinkie
    So funny - there were cigarettes - cigarettes! - on the conference desk!

    I remember that film fondly... along with the late 80's "Black Rain" in which a Japanese mobster boasts about the Japanese making everything perfect, including plates for counterfeit dollars.
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  6. Karl says:

    Off-Topic….. did my inventory of 100,000 dozen “name your next baby Harvey!” bumper stickers….. just lose some value?

    How many decades before anyone will name a baby boy “Harvey”?

    Also: Postulate that the “casting couch” syndrome lasted as long as it did – because it filled _some_ sort of marketplace value.

    If so, then what are the predictable market consequences of Hollywood producers not being able to get some (rather easily) coerced nookie?

    Going forward, will there be less guys bothering to run Hollywood operations?

    Will actresses thereby lose employment?

    We have seen the result of what happens when race discrimination becomes more and more and more difficult and expensive and “underground” to practice.

    Does that predict anything for the future of Hollywood?

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    • Replies: @Thea
    I doubt the casting couch is going away . Harvey is the only one we hear about but they all do it. If this was just a hit on him personally, the others can carry on.

    If more names come out, well then, we will see uglier leading ladies and less box office income. And men will move to wherever or whatever field (STEM!) the hotties congregate in then.
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  7. although only in The Nice Guys was he allowed to shed the blankness that directors usually demand from him and be entertaining.

    I don’t know, Gosling was so animated in The Big Short that I hardly recognized him.

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  8. Clyde says:

    To this day, most other sci-fi movies foresee a future America that’s majority white with African-Americans as the main minority. Idiocracy is just about the only successor to Blade Runner in suggesting that America’s dystopian future will be even less white than its present.

    Only because American blacks have the juice to demand being in Hollywood movies. In the decades old shame liberal whiteys scam. The first black computer jockey I ever saw was Samuel Jackson in the first Jurassic Park. His image had to be modded to “street” by having a cigarette dangling from his lips. Meanwhile in the real world blacks are no more essential than Hispanics when it comes to advancing the human race. Asians are very good in advancing us. I know this from buying a new LED/LCD monitor a few days ago. It is a beautiful example of industrial arts.

    I think white liberals like movies without any blacks, tokens or otherwise. Lets see how much money the latest with Kate Winslet Blanchette whatever and Idris Alba. ‘The Mountain Between Us’

    Cate Blanchett & Idris Elba Dine with Harvey Weinstein …
    http://www.justjared.com/2016/02/13/cate-blanchett-idris-elba-dine-with…;
    Feb 13, 2016 · Cate Blanchett & Idris Elba Dine with Harvey Weinstein Before the BAFTAs Cate Blanchett looks chic while attending Harvey Weinstein’s Pre

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    I think white liberals like movies without any blacks, tokens or otherwise. Lets see how much money the latest with Kate Winslet Blanchette whatever and Idris Alba. ‘The Mountain Between Us’
     
    $10 million so far. Wait a week and see if it has any legs. Really, blacks do not like nature at all. No one except city folk would believe that movie for a second. To see blacks hiking in a national forest is to see big foot. They are that rare.

    I prefer "The Grey"
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  9. Clyde says:
    @Twinkie

    Los Angeles in 2019 was overwhelmed by Asian immigrants
     
    I know them Asians all look the same to you and all, but wasn't the L.A. of the original basically a Japanese colony, reflecting the American anxiety about Japanese industrial competition of the early 1980's?

    Yeah... what happened to Japan?

    China is the real Japan. The Japan we feared in 80s and 90s that didn’t pan out. China with all its free trade profits and the demographic heft of a billion and a half Chinamen can really screw with us. They are all nuked up and have a growing and advancing military. They have buildings full of cyber war hackers ready to take down American electric grids, military satellites and stock exchanges. The Japanese and Koreans are very clever and good but are comfort seekers. While China is raw and angry. Has scores to settle.

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    • Replies: @BB753
    "While China is raw and angry. Has scores to settle."

    With whom? With the Japanese?
    , @Dave Pinsen
    China is too constrained by geography and geopolitics to ever be a global hegemon. If they knock the U.S. off its perch, or if the U.S. just collapses/retreats militarily, what comes next would be worse for China: a military alliance of its neighbors to contain it. Consider that Japan alone mopped the floor with China last century and throw in Vietnam, India, Australia, etc.
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  10. MEH 0910 says:

    “Three short films have been made to explore events that occur in the 30-year period between Blade Runner and Blade Runner 2049:

    BLADE RUNNER 2049 – “Black Out 2022″ Anime Short

    BLADE RUNNER 2049 – “2036: Nexus Dawn” Short

    BLADE RUNNER 2049 – “2048: Nowhere to Run” Short

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  11. Romanian says: • Website
    @Twinkie

    Los Angeles in 2019 was overwhelmed by Asian immigrants
     
    I know them Asians all look the same to you and all, but wasn't the L.A. of the original basically a Japanese colony, reflecting the American anxiety about Japanese industrial competition of the early 1980's?

    Yeah... what happened to Japan?

    They needed more immigrants, failed to get them and suffered the consequences. QED.

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    • LOL: Abe
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    James Hong who played the eye designer Hannibal Chew in the 1982 Blade Runner is still alive at age 88.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hong

    My theory: people who worked on the 1982 Blade Runner had been going downtown to see X in Chinatown at Madame Wong's, maybe went and got sushi in Little Tokyo nearby. On the way they passed the new sign on the 10 Freeway for "Koreatown."
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  12. I’ve noticed that modern movies about the future show a lot of White people. Is the actual reality of being majority Brown too disconcerting? Too hard to imagine it as advanced?

    Seems like even TV shows may be Whiter than they used to be too, although I am not certain. But remember all those 70s shows that had Black families (Sanford and Son, Good Times, That’s my Mama, The Jeffersons, What’s Happening) . This was at a time when there were only 3 networks.

    It appears there are actually less non-White shows as an overall percentage now. And hardly any shows featuring Asians or Latinos.

    It’s as if they wanted to push non-White characters when the country was very White, and now that the reality of it is sinking in, they prefer to pretend like it doesn’t exist.

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    • Replies: @bomag

    It appears there are actually less non-White shows as an overall percentage now. And hardly any shows featuring Asians or Latinos
     
    It is a more segregated market now. There's BET; the various Spanish language channels; Nollywood; Bollywood; Chinese flicks; etc.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Have you checked Univision?

    Although, to be fair, the cast of most Latin American shows is pretty Euro-looking.
    , @Thomas
    Black people and white people don’t watch the same TV shows anymore.
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  13. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Idiocracy naturally pulled its punches and pretended that irresponsible white people are the ones having all the children and contributing all the social maladies. This, in a nutshell, is how Idiocracy managed to get financed.

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  14. Clyde says:
    @Romanian
    Was it really one of the few to show demographic change? I vaguely remember many sci fi movies adding diversity for disquieting effects. The characters would speak multiple languages within their community, or would speak a sort of pidgin with swear words in other languages. Later, the diversity became a positive thing. I remember the more recent movie, the 5th element, and how Bruce Willis's character is served a meal by a Chinese guy on a floating junk.

    The Fifth Element was what made Milla Jovovich into a sci-fi fan doll. Propelling her to where she has made millions off the Resident Evil franchise. More power to her, she is delicious. Also the first time I saw clown Chris Tucker who makes me laugh, unlike most of today’s alleged comics.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    The Fifth Element was what made Milla Jovovich into a sci-fi fan doll.

    Charlie Kaufman should do BEING MILLA JOVOVICH.
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  15. I didn’t get the impression you liked the movie much at all.

    Also I’m curious if there was any attempt at creating replicant/human hybrids. Did replicants decide to keep to themselves?

    Or if the movie explained replicant biology and fertility.

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    • Replies: @Chase
    It explained the machine birth as only a miracle, fittingly I think.
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  16. snorlax says:
    @Twinkie

    Los Angeles in 2019 was overwhelmed by Asian immigrants
     
    I know them Asians all look the same to you and all, but wasn't the L.A. of the original basically a Japanese colony, reflecting the American anxiety about Japanese industrial competition of the early 1980's?

    Yeah... what happened to Japan?

    IIRC it was a joint Japanese-Chinese colony, which made it quite a bit more prescient than most of the “Japan takes over the world” genre.

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    • Replies: @Twinkie

    joint Japanese-Chinese colony, which made it quite a bit more prescient
     
    That sounds like someone who knows nothing about Japanese-Chinese history.
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  17. jnc says:

    To this day, most other sci-fi movies foresee a future America that’s majority white with African-Americans as the main minority. Idiocracy is just about the only successor to Blade Runner in suggesting that America’s dystopian future will be even less white than its present.

    Is this really true? While it may be so in some cases, many, perhaps most, sci-fi movies that I can remember that take place in a future America show very diverse populations. For example, besides Idiocracy which you already mentioned, there is Elysium where Matt Damon almost seemed the last white guy in L.A.

    Maybe dystopias are made with diverse settings and more positive versions of the future tend maintain current demographics? If so, I wonder if it’s something unconscious, since it would be quite un-PC and in direct contradiction of the current liberal narrative regarding immigration.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    I recall I, Robot was almost all black?
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  18. Danindc says:

    “With the shoulder pads of a Baltimore Colt” that’s such a good line. You had to smile after you wrote it.

    Did you have someone in mind? Unitas, Marchetti or Raymond Berry?

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    • Replies: @Abe

    “With the shoulder pads of a Baltimore Colt” that’s such a good line. You had to smile after you wrote it.
     
    Me too, though if I may be a bit insufferable this morning, ‘shoulder pads of a Greenbay Packer’ (with its imagery of big, beefy blue collar guys whose grandfathers arrived from Bohunk-rhymia) is the only thing that could have topped it.
    , @the one they call Desanex
    See MEH 0910’s SCTV clip above: “Bronko Nagurski called. He wants his shoulders back.”
    http://theworldoffootball.com/Articles/Bronko_Nagurski_Museum.htm
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  19. slumber_j says:

    The camera likes Gosling, but asking him to carry a sequel that’s 45 minutes longer than the first movie is a bridge too far.

    Here’s what I don’t get about doing this sequel at such a long run-time. Surely the director et al. watched the original a few times, but apparently it never occurred to them that even that movie was maybe a bit lengthy…

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  20. MKP says:

    Always love the movie reviews, Steve, but can’t believe you haven’t weighed in on the latest news re: liberal Hollywood tearing itself apart.

    For those not following too closely:

    - the accusations against Harvey Wein have been upgraded to actual coerced sex. Also, a secretly-recorded audio tape has Harvey whining-slash-threatening in an attempt to get some young starlet into bed. The Manhattan DA is in hot water for having heard the tape and deciding not to prosecute.

    - Harvey’s wife is leaving him.

    - famed fashion designer Donna Karan made a statement in which she called HW and his wife great people and said maybe the women in question were acting like they wanted it. She tried to later walk it back, but too late – the boycott is on (search #BoycottDK and #NoWayDK for details).

    - long-time HW collaborator and Ben Affleck has been accused of both failing to stop Harvey’s lewd acts, and of doing a little groping of his own – the latest talk has fairly convincing accounts of him forcible pawing actress Hilarie Burton when she was 19.

    More will no doubt drop by the time this comment is published. Come on, Steve. Even if this doesn’t require your in-depth insight, give us an open thread on Hollywood accusations so we can spike the ball.

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    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    This is some sort of Jew damage control,it seems. Could Jeff Sessions be sniffing around?
    Maybe the gays are moving against the straights?
    , @AndrewR
    Affleck is utter scum. He rear ended my sister's friend on the expressway. The friend trusted Affleck to have integrity so didn't call the cops or take photos. Well when she submitted her claim to the insurance company, Affleck denied everything.
    , @BB753
    Hollywood starlets being sluts and Hollywood producers being pigs is a sort of "dog bites man" news, not "man bites dog".
    The real question here is: what Hollywood actress (or actor) hasn't slept with a producer or director to advance his career? Very few, apart from Danny deVito and that fat black actress from "Precious ", I guess.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Another example of mob action in New Rome. In the end, the mob devours their own.
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  21. songbird says:

    What always struck me was how Star Trek was superficially diverse in the way of people from different places working together, but it wasn’t arguably (until now) antiwhite.

    350 years from now, O’Brien was envisioned as still being an Irishman, Picard a Frenchmen. Sisko was from New Orleans. That was the “hopeful future” that most people, including most libs seemingly wanted. Of course, the narrative has changed, from one where the Klingons were kind of a Communist stand-in, to the current one were they are obviously meant to be white nationalists, disguised with ebony make-up.

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  22. Demography is just about everything, in Blade Runner 2049 and everything else, and the crack about Olmos being the only Mexican in Los Angeles is good. Why the Baltimore Colts in reference to the shoulder pads worn by Sean Young? I immediately thought of Bert Jones getting chased around by Joe Klecko. Klecko’s teammate Gastineau used to love to grab quarterbacks by the uniform and throw them down, Klecko was old school, aim for the body and wrap them up.

    Los Angeles reminds me to remind the readers that if you take 5 jurisdictions away from Hillary Clinton, President Trump wins the popular vote in a landslide.

    Los Angeles, Manhattan, Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn — those are the five. If you take them out of the presidential election, Trumps smashes the hell out of Hillary in the popular vote totals.

    Los Angeles and New York are home to many creatures who are quite similar to Harvey Weinstein. The Harvey Weinstein types control the Democrat Party. Blade Runner 2049 is a flop because the young people want to see Braveheart 2017, instead they get disgusting fat baby boomer rats like Harvey Weinstein pawing White Christian women.

    Steve Sailer has to be on the watch for bunny attacking birds and Harrison Ford crash landing his plane.

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    When asked why Weekend Update on last Saturday's SNL said nothing about Harvey Weinstein, Lorne Michaels responded, "It's a New York thing."

    Some on-line commenters pointed out that Trump is a New Yorker like Weinstein, but SNL has no problem mocking him. They don't get that when Michaels said "a New York thing," he meant a Jewish thing.
    , @Anon
    Blade Runner 2049 is a flop because the young people want to see Braveheart 2017, instead they get disgusting fat baby boomer rats like Harvey Weinstein pawing White Christian women.

    Them gals may be gentile but they aint very Christian-like.

    The movie is a flop because it's too long and too heavy on mood and effects.
    Also, from the trailer, I get the impression that the corporate biggie this time is some yoga guru guy. Where does he find the time to do business? Tyrell in BLADE RUNNER was like a high priest... but he was also witty and nimble. You could tell he's immersed in business 24/7. Or 'commerce' as he calls it.
    It's like the Japanese guy in INCEPTION was a sort of a philosopher but also a businessman. But the guy in 2049 looks like some Zen Master or something.

    They could have taken the style and mood of the original and come up with a compelling narrative. Instead, they went LOLA MONTEZ with the material. Maybe the result isn't bad. Maybe it's even good.
    But it's not box office savvy.

    It's like Hollywood finally put its money behind Leone after the Dollars Phenom, but Leone gave them ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST, which was slow and stately. Great but not box officey

    , @Marty
    Gastineau 6'6"/270, had a boxing match againt a black guy 6'2" /220 in Reno in 1991. In the first round, he turned his back and ran out of the ring.
    , @S. Anonyia
    You're right about young people wanting to see Braveheart 2017. There were a lot of sensationalist historical or quasi-historical epics made in the 1990s and 2000s.....Braveheart, Last of the Mohicans, Titanic, Last Samurai, Gladiator, Gangs of New York etc. Most of them that weren't boring (like Gods and Generals) did well in the box office.

    It seems the studios have given up on producing movies like this though. Not diverse enough, or all that money went towards comic books and sci-fi instead?

    Does sci-fi even do that well in the box office? Aside from Star Trek and Star Wars, that is (which is more fantasy along the lines of Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter anyway)....
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  23. Escher says:
    @Romanian
    Was it really one of the few to show demographic change? I vaguely remember many sci fi movies adding diversity for disquieting effects. The characters would speak multiple languages within their community, or would speak a sort of pidgin with swear words in other languages. Later, the diversity became a positive thing. I remember the more recent movie, the 5th element, and how Bruce Willis's character is served a meal by a Chinese guy on a floating junk.

    The 80s had a few movies showing this dystopian future, one being the unforgettable ‘Robocop 2’ that I enjoyed for a few minutes last night.

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    The 80s had a few movies showing this dystopian future, one being the unforgettable ‘Robocop 2’ that I enjoyed for a few minutes last night.

    There was this impression, at least within the cinephile community, that the 80s were a bad time for movies. The Film Generation has vanished. Videos were killing revival houses. European cinema had imploded, and Japanese had vanished in late 60s. The great auteurs of the 70s had petered out. Lucas and Spielberg turned Hollywood in blockbustopia. Dumb genres like slasher movies and 'horny teenager movies' -- Roger Ebert's coinage -- ruled the screens.

    But the 80s weren't that bad and had its share of good and great films.

    And some of the most remarkable movies of the 80s were dismissed at the time. I personally heard of MIRACLE MILE only few yrs ago. On some level, a typical 80s yuppie fantasy... but there's something there.

    And movies like that provoke a question about genres. What exactly are the perimeters of sci-fi? MIRACLE MILE isn't sci-fi in the sense of futuristic setting or advanced technology. And yet, the big event -- World War III and nuclear holocaust -- make it seem far-out and beyond reality. Also, the story is framed within contemplation of time, eons of it, and humanity's place in the grand design or accident. It has that element of 2001 as it begins in a museum of fossils of extinct animals. And as humans are sure to go extinct in the nuclear war, it makes us wonder how they will be remembered a million or billion yrs from now. It's very much like a Twilight Zone episode. But then, was Twilight Zone sci-fi? Some might categorize it as horror or suspense or etc. Of course, Twilight Zone the TV series was special in defying these genre categories. It interwove various genres to create a sense of unreality. But it was also very grimly realistic too, and this blend of unreality and reality is what made it so unnerving, a kind of pop-Kafka. And this raises a question. How should we categorize a film like GROUNDHOG DAY, which is Twilight-Zonesy. It's too dark to be fantasy. It's too twisted to be merely comedy. It's too warped and strange to be drama. It's not exactly sci-fi because we are unaware of the hidden forces that are manipulating the time to drive Murray nuts. And yet, it does raise philosophical questions that one would find in Sci-fi. It plays with time. It's like Bill Murray is a mouse in a crazy scientist's experiment. Or is it god? In Truman Show, the TV producer plays god as he toys with Truman who is trapped in his artificial reality, the only one he knows. Or, are the real prisoners the TV audiences glued to the show.
    Among Charlie Kaufman movies, ETERNAL SUNSHINE could qualify as sci-fi because there is actually technology that wipes memory. But all of his films are similarly twisted, loopy, and surreal. And in the end,what makes ETERNAL SUNSHINE special isn't the science but the philosophical questions about memory, love, pain, and etc. BEING JOHN MALKOVICH isn't technically sci-fi but it has the strangeness of many sci-fi films, like those of Cronenberg. Philoso-Fi? Why-Fi in asking the big WHY question about being and time?

    Sci-fi films raise certain philosophical questions by introducing some technology that can probe into reality and consciousness or alter them in some strange way. But this crisis can be realized without any 'scientific' explanation. In some films, something strange just happens without elaboration. We have to accept it on faith but without divine assurance. After all, why are people going nuts in THE HAPPENING? Yet, it'd be misleading to categorize such films as occult or horror because the emphasis is less on the abhorrent power than its impact on daily routine that forces characters to reevaluate everything and readjust their lives.

    DONNIE DARKO, though not my fav, is that kind of strange movie. Its director also made THE BOX, not very successful but thought-provoking. It offers no explanation as to the origin of the box, but it's like a cosmic mind-game that raises moral questions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbVzoV4GgM8

    PREMONITION isn't much and might be categorized as horror, but it has no ghosts or monsters. A simple trick of time turns the woman's life upside down and back-forward. It's not technically sci-fi but teases the kinds of questions often found in sci-fi.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMPI54WCPSk&t=82s

    The question of time is there in sci-fi films like LOOPER and 2001. In LOOPER, the young guy meets the older version of himself or vice versa which is and isn't the same thing as the perspectives are so different even though they've met in the same place and time. In 2001's final scene, Bowman is able to see himself in the future. He sees his older selves, even himself on the deathbed. But a film like THE GRADUATE, though not sci-fi, also makes us acutely sensitive to time and what we might become in the future. After all, Ben is trying to run away from a future where he will be just like his parents and Mr. and Mrs. Robinson, but he's headed there just the same. He can't escape. The montage in THE GRADUATE is like the deathbed scene in 2001, a sense of lack of agency, a feeling that one is carried along by forces beyond one's will. He can no more escape his fate than the tragic hero of LA JETEE. In the end, the freedom bus is like a hearse carrying his body away.

    https://youtu.be/mHf7ezgwryk?t=1m38s

    https://youtu.be/Dwl6uCtxXJE?t=4m44s


    Now, why is there this Looper effect in all these movies?

    Take TRON LEGACY, STAR WARS FORCE AWAKENS, INDIANA JONES AND CRYSTAL SKULL, 2049, and of course LOOPER.

    What stands out about all of them? It's a father-son dynamic.

    In INDIANA JONES, Indy meets his real son. Same in TRON LEGACY. But something similar happens in LOOPER. Though Willis is the older version of Levitt, he is like a father to his younger self. And even though STAR WARS has new stars, they are overshadowed by Ford and Fisher and at the end we see Hamill. 2049 has Gosling playing goosling to big goose Ford. It's the older fellers must come out of retirement to helicopter-parent the younger ones.

    Did Hollywood fail to come up with new great ideas? The last great ones were from the 80s with TRON, BLADE RUNNER, INDIANA JONES, etc? Out of fresh ideas, Hollywood harks back to the past and does remakes or sequels. Also, since the new stars are relatively lackluster(for whatever reason in this era of Harry Potter), the young ones end up playing sidekick to old stars. People like Jeff Bridges and Ford are too old to play lead, but they had bigness that Gosling and others of his generation lack. Movies need young fresh faces, but ones today don't have enough gravitas. This may account for the lack of a center in a film like TRON LEGACY, and it makes it more interesting in some ways. Bridges is more memorable but too old to play lead. The young guy has all the moves but lacks the big personality of past stars. He looks like a perpetual teenager, which was Tom Cruises' bread and butter forever.

    This is rather strange.

    When John Wayne made movies to the end, he was always the center. TRUE GRIT introduced some young ones, but Wayne held the center, and young ones played second fiddle.
    But box office today is so geared toward the young so that it's rare that a big-budget movie will have a old guy as main character. But young actors today are so lacking in star power that they can't command the center either, and they do much better to play off the older character. Paul Newman, Robert Redford, and Steven McQueen didn't have this problem in their day. Well, I suppose there's Daniel Craig but I never cared for 007.

    Well, at least the dreadful trend of making movies out of old TV shows is over. LONE RANGER was the final nail in the coffin. STAR TREK doesn't count as it's some cult mania.

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  24. Clyde says:

    Here’s what I don’t get about doing this sequel at such a long run-time. Surely the director et al. watched the original a few times, but apparently….

    BR2049 in theaters now is the director’s cut. As in, there will not be a director’s cut on DVD ten years from now. The original BR has eight different versions including the …tada….director’s cut.
    Call it Ridley’s revenge if you want to, done via Denis Villeneuve. You vill sit and listen and pay attention! For almost three hours. My attitude is f that. I refuse to be preached to for 2:45 by so called artistes. Go talk your book to someone else.

    Eight different versions of Ridley Scott’s 1982 American science fiction film Blade Runner have been shown, either to test audiences or theatrically. The best known are the Workprint, the U.S. Theatrical Cut, the International Cut, the Director’s Cut and the Final Cut. These five versions are included in both the 2007 five-disc Ultimate Collectors Edition and 2012 30th-Anniversary Collector’s Edition releases.

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  25. Steve,

    Are there any major Hollywood types – actors, directors or producers – that you know are HBD aware and know of your writings?

    Obviously, not asking for any names, just wondering if you know for certain that even one exists. If so, how they function in that world with their knowledge is beyond me.

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  26. The replicants, the ultimate in the deracinated and disposable, want to be part of a lineage, to have children and ancestors, to be a people.

    They must, of course, be stopped.

    Hmm… Does this remind us of anyone? Perfect iSteve conclusion.

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    Holding my twelve-week-old son here, it does seem that this is the kernel of our present troubles.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Yeah, I agree. You did a good job introducing the last three paragraphs, but they were the real meat and potatoes. I wish everyone had to read your review before watching the movie.
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  27. Che Guava says:

    Good evening Steve.

    I never really hated Ford’s voiceover narrative. From what I have seen of fifties noir, it is seemingly a convention.

    Although some parts are too expository, it had some very good lines. Also clangers, like ‘My wife called me sushi, raw fish.’

    Ford is on record as resenting his role for various stupid reasons, not to reflecting well on his intelligence.

    Basically too stupid or egotistical to understand a role that less than a simple win-all action hero. It is easy to finding his quotes to demonstrating that.

    I am also strongly doubting that LA X had any influence on Hauer’s street style. Punk in general, sure.

    As for Ford having been flat, I am thinking it had some of the greatest performances from him.

    Beating from Leon.

    Backstage interview with Zhora, he is playing it like a nastier Jerry Lewis.

    Final scene with Roy, perhaps his hatred of the role made that work, it sure does.

    Debatably, the scene where he is grabbing Sean Young, she is to claiming that he was really violent, to watch it, it is seeming to be true.

    No matter, the real star turns were by Hauer, Hannah, whoever was playing Eldon Tyrell, and Sean Young as Rachel.

    Appreciating your review, but from it and others, sounds like Sir Scott is to turning it into a similar theme to Prometheus (not yet viewed) and Alien:Covenant (viewed).

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    Tyrell! Yes, the great Joe Turkel

    Made movies with Kubrick in the 50s (Paths of Glory, etc.) then MST3k dreck like Tormented! (playing a beatnik sailor blackmailer eerily like Lou Reed) then fades out. 1980, Kubrick call him up and he becomes Joe the bartender in The Shining. Couple years later, he's in Blade Runner.

    So, of course, he retires immediately. Went out at the top.

    Paths of Glory ... The Shining ... Blade Runner. Best career ever.
    , @Pericles

    Backstage interview with Zhora, he is playing it like a nastier Jerry Lewis.

     

    That was very interesting, I don't think I've ever seen Harrison Ford do that elsewhere. Maybe they told him to cut it out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBM8guGUoOQ

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  28. Sean says:

    All film futures are actually showing us the world of Philip K. Dick’s The Man In the High Castle (in which Nazi Germany won WW2 and rules the US).

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  29. Coemgen says:

    Steve, Will you be reviewing “American Made?”

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  30. George says:

    I wonder if the reason the cast is all white is that foreign audiences like it if American movies are all white?

    Blade runner revenue is 57% foreign. Why would the producers care what American minorities want? It’s Chinese majorities that count.

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=bladerunnersequel.htm

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  31. @Twinkie

    Los Angeles in 2019 was overwhelmed by Asian immigrants
     
    I know them Asians all look the same to you and all, but wasn't the L.A. of the original basically a Japanese colony, reflecting the American anxiety about Japanese industrial competition of the early 1980's?

    Yeah... what happened to Japan?

    Re:

    “… American anxiety about Japanese industrial competition of the early 1980′s?

    Yeah… what happened to Japan?”

    Population of Japan: 127 million

    Population of China: 1.37 BILLION

    Furthermore, Japan and China now each hold more than 1.2 TRILLION DOLLARS of US government debt. We owe our souls to both of them, and one of them is a monster.

    It is a monster that is “part of a lineage,” that has “children and ancestors,” that comprises “a people” who dwarf us and who work together — whom nobody is telling can’t be a people.

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    The United States should print up the money and pay the Chinese and Japanese the money that the government owes them. Blade Runner 2049 would have nothing on the scenario that stiffing the Chinese and Japanese would have. Before the United States informed the Chinese and Japanese that they would be getting worthless debt-based fiat currency, the United States would have to vacate Japan and South Korea to prevent the unruly Asians from having some sort of gun boat diplomacy episode.

    THAT would be much more exciting and exhilarating than a 3 hour movie called Blade Runner 2049.

    The Germans did that to the French during the bleak times of war reparations after World War I. The Germans are good at the sharp cold edge of logic. Sometimes the edge is tricky to hold. If froggy wants his loot, the Krauts said, give it to them, print it up and hand it over.

    Blade Runner and Blade Runner 2049 are irritating because California is gone. Where did California go? Who knows, but it is not the California of 1965 anymore. Young White people could be given land in California to reward them for fighting in the Civil War II that would follow stiffing the Chinese and Japanese. Remember, there are a lot of treasonous dirtbags like Bill Clinton and George Weinstein Bush who sold out the sovereignty of the United States to China and Japan.
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  32. Clyde says:

    It is a monster that is “part of a lineage,” that has “children and ancestors,” that comprises “a people” who dwarf us and who work together — whom nobody is telling can’t be a people.

    All well and good but do they have any good Chinese restaurants over there?

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  33. @MKP
    Always love the movie reviews, Steve, but can't believe you haven't weighed in on the latest news re: liberal Hollywood tearing itself apart.

    For those not following too closely:

    - the accusations against Harvey Wein have been upgraded to actual coerced sex. Also, a secretly-recorded audio tape has Harvey whining-slash-threatening in an attempt to get some young starlet into bed. The Manhattan DA is in hot water for having heard the tape and deciding not to prosecute.

    - Harvey's wife is leaving him.

    - famed fashion designer Donna Karan made a statement in which she called HW and his wife great people and said maybe the women in question were acting like they wanted it. She tried to later walk it back, but too late - the boycott is on (search #BoycottDK and #NoWayDK for details).

    - long-time HW collaborator and Ben Affleck has been accused of both failing to stop Harvey's lewd acts, and of doing a little groping of his own - the latest talk has fairly convincing accounts of him forcible pawing actress Hilarie Burton when she was 19.

    More will no doubt drop by the time this comment is published. Come on, Steve. Even if this doesn't require your in-depth insight, give us an open thread on Hollywood accusations so we can spike the ball.

    This is some sort of Jew damage control,it seems. Could Jeff Sessions be sniffing around?
    Maybe the gays are moving against the straights?

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  34. Bill says:

    that famous box office flop

    I remember when science fiction was utterly uncool and generally despised. It was so much better then. At the time, I thought it would be better if SF was popular. How stupid could I be?

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    I remember when science fiction was utterly uncool and generally despised. It was so much better then. At the time, I thought it would be better if SF was popular. How stupid could I be?


    Me too. When they launched sci fi channel many years ago I had great expectations that it would fill my need for this stuff. Couldn’t be bothered to watch it soon after. Also almost anything written in the last 30 years.

    Sci-fi did indeed become less enjoyable as it was mainstreamed or maybe I just got old.
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    Has it been reported that the killer is black?
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  36. @Buzz Mohawk

    The replicants, the ultimate in the deracinated and disposable, want to be part of a lineage, to have children and ancestors, to be a people.

    They must, of course, be stopped.
     

    Hmm... Does this remind us of anyone? Perfect iSteve conclusion.

    Holding my twelve-week-old son here, it does seem that this is the kernel of our present troubles.

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    Congratulations!
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    Congratulations! May your son enjoy freedom and prosperity in the country that he rightfully inherits. May God protect him.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Congratulations, and good luck! As I look forward to my first child as well, it truly does feel like a milestone in life.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    Congratulations, and God bless you, your son, and all your family.
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  37. Bill says:
    @Twinkie

    Los Angeles in 2019 was overwhelmed by Asian immigrants
     
    I know them Asians all look the same to you and all, but wasn't the L.A. of the original basically a Japanese colony, reflecting the American anxiety about Japanese industrial competition of the early 1980's?

    Yeah... what happened to Japan?

    Yeah… what happened to Japan?

    Paul Krugman.

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  38. I quite enjoyed it. Great cinematography, great score, decent acting, and no ridiculous amounts of exposition.

    More importantly, there was no agenda. This was the first movie I’ve seen in a long time that was just… a movie. No ideology to swallow, no hints as to what the “right” answer is, just enough to make you ponder about the characters and plot, and maybe even wonder about the larger questions it raises.

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  39. @Buzz Mohawk

    The replicants, the ultimate in the deracinated and disposable, want to be part of a lineage, to have children and ancestors, to be a people.

    They must, of course, be stopped.
     

    Hmm... Does this remind us of anyone? Perfect iSteve conclusion.

    Yeah, I agree. You did a good job introducing the last three paragraphs, but they were the real meat and potatoes. I wish everyone had to read your review before watching the movie.

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  40. Bill says:
    @Desiderius
    Holding my twelve-week-old son here, it does seem that this is the kernel of our present troubles.

    Congratulations!

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  41. OT: http://www.tmz.com/2017/10/10/harvey-weinstein-brother-bob-leak-new-york-times-story-sexual-harassment/?adid=sidebarwidget-most-popular

    Steve, this latest claim that Bob Weinstein wants to use the sex harrassment scandal to drive Harvey from Miramax – reminds me of the astute angle you took on Donald Sterling and the forced sale of the Clippers.

    The classic Sailerian question must be asked, once again – Who Benefits?

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  42. Anon says: • Website • Disclaimer

    SATURN 3. A much-promoted sci-fi movie from 1980, esp cuz of Farrah Fawcett. Totally forgotten. Directed by Donen of SINGIN IN THE RAIN.

    Big budget Disney sci-fi, one of their first non-G-rated movies. Total junk. Aptly titled ‘Black Hole’ because all the talent and budget must have gotten sucked into it.

    Other than BLADE RUNNER, how many 80s sci-fi were good?

    TRON, NAUSICAA, LAPUTA, EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, TERMINATOR, THE THING, THE FLY, VIDEODROME, SCANNERS, BGC.

    ALTERED STATES could have been good if Russell wasn’t such a mess director.

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    I remember Saturn 3. It's funny that Kirk Douglas, who's still with us, was the old guy in it back then.

    The Black Hole was flawed but spectacular. Same with Dune, though Lynch clearly ran out of money before finishing the space travel scenes.

    Altered States was great, with an excellent script by Chayefsky.

    The original Tron was a snooze fest, but the sequel a few years ago was excellent.
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  43. @Charles Pewitt
    Demography is just about everything, in Blade Runner 2049 and everything else, and the crack about Olmos being the only Mexican in Los Angeles is good. Why the Baltimore Colts in reference to the shoulder pads worn by Sean Young? I immediately thought of Bert Jones getting chased around by Joe Klecko. Klecko's teammate Gastineau used to love to grab quarterbacks by the uniform and throw them down, Klecko was old school, aim for the body and wrap them up.

    Los Angeles reminds me to remind the readers that if you take 5 jurisdictions away from Hillary Clinton, President Trump wins the popular vote in a landslide.

    Los Angeles, Manhattan, Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn -- those are the five. If you take them out of the presidential election, Trumps smashes the hell out of Hillary in the popular vote totals.

    Los Angeles and New York are home to many creatures who are quite similar to Harvey Weinstein. The Harvey Weinstein types control the Democrat Party. Blade Runner 2049 is a flop because the young people want to see Braveheart 2017, instead they get disgusting fat baby boomer rats like Harvey Weinstein pawing White Christian women.

    Steve Sailer has to be on the watch for bunny attacking birds and Harrison Ford crash landing his plane.

    When asked why Weekend Update on last Saturday’s SNL said nothing about Harvey Weinstein, Lorne Michaels responded, “It’s a New York thing.”

    Some on-line commenters pointed out that Trump is a New Yorker like Weinstein, but SNL has no problem mocking him. They don’t get that when Michaels said “a New York thing,” he meant a Jewish thing.

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    Interestingly neither is a native New Yorker. Weinstein is from Buffalo.
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  44. @Twinkie

    Los Angeles in 2019 was overwhelmed by Asian immigrants
     
    I know them Asians all look the same to you and all, but wasn't the L.A. of the original basically a Japanese colony, reflecting the American anxiety about Japanese industrial competition of the early 1980's?

    Yeah... what happened to Japan?

    I noticed references to the CCCP in one of the ads, so this implies that the Soviet Union has survived to the future era of Blade Runner. Clearly a very different world.

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    I noticed references to the CCCP in one of the ads, so this implies that the Soviet Union has survived to the future era of Blade Runner. Clearly a very different world.
     
    The movie never makes this clear, but it felt like the rule of the Communist Party was over, but that the USSR had remained a unified country. Just like Putin wishes had happened.*


    *I don't say that to be anti-Putin; it's a matter of public record that he has explicitly said as much.
    , @FPD72
    The continued existence of Pan Am and Atari are other clues that we are dealing with an alternative history, not just a vision of the future but a rewriting of the past. Something like this is necessary in order to explain the events of the fictional 2019 in light of the present 2017.
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  45. Abe says: • Website
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    "With the shoulder pads of a Baltimore Colt" that's such a good line. You had to smile after you wrote it.

    Did you have someone in mind? Unitas, Marchetti or Raymond Berry?

    “With the shoulder pads of a Baltimore Colt” that’s such a good line. You had to smile after you wrote it.

    Me too, though if I may be a bit insufferable this morning, ‘shoulder pads of a Greenbay Packer’ (with its imagery of big, beefy blue collar guys whose grandfathers arrived from Bohunk-rhymia) is the only thing that could have topped it.

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    I wanted an NFL team that no longer exists but did exist in the 1940s and 1980s. Baltimore Colt seemed like the best choice.
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  46. AndrewR says:
    @MKP
    Always love the movie reviews, Steve, but can't believe you haven't weighed in on the latest news re: liberal Hollywood tearing itself apart.

    For those not following too closely:

    - the accusations against Harvey Wein have been upgraded to actual coerced sex. Also, a secretly-recorded audio tape has Harvey whining-slash-threatening in an attempt to get some young starlet into bed. The Manhattan DA is in hot water for having heard the tape and deciding not to prosecute.

    - Harvey's wife is leaving him.

    - famed fashion designer Donna Karan made a statement in which she called HW and his wife great people and said maybe the women in question were acting like they wanted it. She tried to later walk it back, but too late - the boycott is on (search #BoycottDK and #NoWayDK for details).

    - long-time HW collaborator and Ben Affleck has been accused of both failing to stop Harvey's lewd acts, and of doing a little groping of his own - the latest talk has fairly convincing accounts of him forcible pawing actress Hilarie Burton when she was 19.

    More will no doubt drop by the time this comment is published. Come on, Steve. Even if this doesn't require your in-depth insight, give us an open thread on Hollywood accusations so we can spike the ball.

    Affleck is utter scum. He rear ended my sister’s friend on the expressway. The friend trusted Affleck to have integrity so didn’t call the cops or take photos. Well when she submitted her claim to the insurance company, Affleck denied everything.

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    Did the incident by chance occur while Changing Lanes was in production? Maybe he was in character.
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  47. res says:

    OT: Interesting interactive graphics looking at the demographics of newspaper employees and leadership (current and 2001-2017 change): http://www.thefunctionalart.com/2017/10/visualizing-gender-and-race-inequality.html
    Worth checking out for the data (popup windows give detailed breakdowns) and presentation. The agenda is less appealing. I wonder how similar graphics covering religious and/or political diversity would look…and be received.

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    I wonder how similar graphics covering religious and/or political diversity would look…and be received.


    The problem with diversity is it takes center stage all the time.

    It's like what Francois Truffaut said of color. He favored b/w. Problem with color is we notice it even when it is not significant. So, if the filmmaker wants us to know someone is holding a balloon, we also notice it is a RED balloon in a color movie. Color makes us focus less on characters and story and more on the look of the story. This is wonderful when color is a big factor of the story. MAKIOKA SISTERS or 2001 need color. But the use of color worked against French New Wave films in general since they were more about ideas, verve, and movement than about prettiness.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2007/aug/10/didcolourruinthemovies

    Same thing goes with diversity. If a movie is about people of same race, the conflicts and issues become of ideas, values, and ego. But if you add diversity, we begin to notice race. So, in THE MIST, the tension between the white guy and black guy becomes racial even if it may not have been meant as such.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhCKXJNGzN8

    Also, people begin to root for certain characters based more on race than on integrity or values. Someone who's not to keen on Negroes might feel like cavemen in Mel Brooks movie even if the dying Negro is a good guy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EztpDgs_66E

    And in EVENT HORIZON, a pro-white viewer is more likely to cheer for the bad white guys against the good black guys. Ghastly stuff.

    Make a character a woman, and feminists see it as a statement about womanhood even when it wasn't meant as such. Make a character a member of minority, and people see it that way and get upset when he is presented negatively. They don't see him as a bad individual but a negative aspersion on his entire race.

    Now, if the central theme is conflict of diversity, diversity is essential. But when a story was not meant to be such, diversity can override other more important considerations. SUNSHINE is a movie where diversity didn't intrude too much.
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  48. BB753 says:
    @MKP
    Always love the movie reviews, Steve, but can't believe you haven't weighed in on the latest news re: liberal Hollywood tearing itself apart.

    For those not following too closely:

    - the accusations against Harvey Wein have been upgraded to actual coerced sex. Also, a secretly-recorded audio tape has Harvey whining-slash-threatening in an attempt to get some young starlet into bed. The Manhattan DA is in hot water for having heard the tape and deciding not to prosecute.

    - Harvey's wife is leaving him.

    - famed fashion designer Donna Karan made a statement in which she called HW and his wife great people and said maybe the women in question were acting like they wanted it. She tried to later walk it back, but too late - the boycott is on (search #BoycottDK and #NoWayDK for details).

    - long-time HW collaborator and Ben Affleck has been accused of both failing to stop Harvey's lewd acts, and of doing a little groping of his own - the latest talk has fairly convincing accounts of him forcible pawing actress Hilarie Burton when she was 19.

    More will no doubt drop by the time this comment is published. Come on, Steve. Even if this doesn't require your in-depth insight, give us an open thread on Hollywood accusations so we can spike the ball.

    Hollywood starlets being sluts and Hollywood producers being pigs is a sort of “dog bites man” news, not “man bites dog”.
    The real question here is: what Hollywood actress (or actor) hasn’t slept with a producer or director to advance his career? Very few, apart from Danny deVito and that fat black actress from “Precious “, I guess.

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    I take it you mean that no one asked Danny DeVito to put out, not that he didn't demand it of women. Rhea Perlman divorced him because of his womanizing.

    I can't help thinking of Rodney Dangerfield's line: "Showbiz — what a racket. Sometimes I think back on all the women I had to sleep with to get where I got!"
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  49. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Harry Baldwin
    When asked why Weekend Update on last Saturday's SNL said nothing about Harvey Weinstein, Lorne Michaels responded, "It's a New York thing."

    Some on-line commenters pointed out that Trump is a New Yorker like Weinstein, but SNL has no problem mocking him. They don't get that when Michaels said "a New York thing," he meant a Jewish thing.

    Interestingly neither is a native New Yorker. Weinstein is from Buffalo.

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    Weinstein is from New York. He went to school in Buffalo and started his grand tour of leeching off other people's talents (and physical attributes) as a rock concert promoter while a student there.
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  50. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Charles Pewitt
    Demography is just about everything, in Blade Runner 2049 and everything else, and the crack about Olmos being the only Mexican in Los Angeles is good. Why the Baltimore Colts in reference to the shoulder pads worn by Sean Young? I immediately thought of Bert Jones getting chased around by Joe Klecko. Klecko's teammate Gastineau used to love to grab quarterbacks by the uniform and throw them down, Klecko was old school, aim for the body and wrap them up.

    Los Angeles reminds me to remind the readers that if you take 5 jurisdictions away from Hillary Clinton, President Trump wins the popular vote in a landslide.

    Los Angeles, Manhattan, Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn -- those are the five. If you take them out of the presidential election, Trumps smashes the hell out of Hillary in the popular vote totals.

    Los Angeles and New York are home to many creatures who are quite similar to Harvey Weinstein. The Harvey Weinstein types control the Democrat Party. Blade Runner 2049 is a flop because the young people want to see Braveheart 2017, instead they get disgusting fat baby boomer rats like Harvey Weinstein pawing White Christian women.

    Steve Sailer has to be on the watch for bunny attacking birds and Harrison Ford crash landing his plane.

    Blade Runner 2049 is a flop because the young people want to see Braveheart 2017, instead they get disgusting fat baby boomer rats like Harvey Weinstein pawing White Christian women.

    Them gals may be gentile but they aint very Christian-like.

    The movie is a flop because it’s too long and too heavy on mood and effects.
    Also, from the trailer, I get the impression that the corporate biggie this time is some yoga guru guy. Where does he find the time to do business? Tyrell in BLADE RUNNER was like a high priest… but he was also witty and nimble. You could tell he’s immersed in business 24/7. Or ‘commerce’ as he calls it.
    It’s like the Japanese guy in INCEPTION was a sort of a philosopher but also a businessman. But the guy in 2049 looks like some Zen Master or something.

    They could have taken the style and mood of the original and come up with a compelling narrative. Instead, they went LOLA MONTEZ with the material. Maybe the result isn’t bad. Maybe it’s even good.
    But it’s not box office savvy.

    It’s like Hollywood finally put its money behind Leone after the Dollars Phenom, but Leone gave them ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST, which was slow and stately. Great but not box officey

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    The movie is a flop because it's too long and too heavy on mood and effects. Also, from the trailer, I get the impression that the corporate biggie this time is some yoga guru guy...But the guy in 2049 looks like some Zen Master or something.
     
    1) see movie
    2) then tell us why it flopped
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  51. Great concluding paragraphs, Steve. I tweeted earlier that Wired’s take (replicants as The Oppressed) didn’t quite work, but that if one were to push the analogy, it would lead to odd, unintended implications, which you’ve duly described: who, really, are the disposables with no history?

    From another angle, “replicants as The Oppressed” presumes that the world’s non-white masses are constituted as thinking subjects only through their enslavement by whites. Which the Left presumably does believe to some extent. Razib Khan often highlights absurd examples of whites writing as though non-whites did not really exist until the white man showed up to oppress them.

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  52. @jnc

    To this day, most other sci-fi movies foresee a future America that’s majority white with African-Americans as the main minority. Idiocracy is just about the only successor to Blade Runner in suggesting that America’s dystopian future will be even less white than its present.
     
    Is this really true? While it may be so in some cases, many, perhaps most, sci-fi movies that I can remember that take place in a future America show very diverse populations. For example, besides Idiocracy which you already mentioned, there is Elysium where Matt Damon almost seemed the last white guy in L.A.

    Maybe dystopias are made with diverse settings and more positive versions of the future tend maintain current demographics? If so, I wonder if it's something unconscious, since it would be quite un-PC and in direct contradiction of the current liberal narrative regarding immigration.

    I recall I, Robot was almost all black?

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    The cops where mostly black, but the scientists and the CEO where white (don't remember if there were asians in the background). I think that's not that far from current reality for a movie that mostly takes place in the inner city.

    Another sci-fi movie with mostly white characters was "Her", with Joaquin Phoenix.

    I wouldn't consider any of those movies to be dystopian. Robocop on the other hand was, and in fact the population was actually whiter than real life Detroit, even in the 80's.
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  53. syonredux says:

    Interesting review, Steve. Miscellaneous comments:

    Granted, Blade Runner turned out in the long run to be enormously influential. For example, it launched Hollywood’s continuing Philip K. Dick craze (Total Recall, Minority Report, The Man in the High Castle).

    And yet we’ve still not seen a faithful rendering of one of Dick’s works. Frankly, Villeneuve missed an excellent opportunity for including elements from Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. After all, since this is set 20+ years after Blade Runner, it would have been quite easy to include stuff like Mercerism, the Buster Friendly Show, etc.

    It introduced retro looks to science fiction. One of Blade Runner’s breakthroughs was that people in the future wouldn’t wear silver suits with diagonal zippers, but instead would mine classic styles of the past.

    It is a truth universally acknowledged that the look of the ’30s and the ’40s was the apogee of Western Fashion (late ’50s-early ’60s Jet Age Modern-North By Northwest, Connery-era Bond, The Man From Uncle, etc- comes in a close second).

    Blade Runner was also one of the first (and last) sci-fi movies to feature demographic change. Los Angeles in 2019 was overwhelmed by Asian immigrants and everybody had moved back downtown into giant high-rises, two forecasts that seem right on track with two years to go.

    On the other hand, it completely missed-out on the Latinx tsunami……Perhaps intentionally. Some futures are just too depressing to contemplate…..

    To this day, most other sci-fi movies foresee a future America that’s majority white with African-Americans as the main minority. Idiocracy is just about the only successor to Blade Runner in suggesting that America’s dystopian future will be even less white than its present.

    Dunno, Steve. My recollection is that Idiocracy depicted a future America that was about as non-White as it was at the time of filming…..which still makes it an outlier, seeing as how Hollywood has been doing its best to ignore the fact that it ain’t the ’6os anymore…..

    Interestingly, virtually all the speaking roles in 2049 are white, although Edward James Olmos returns for a few seconds in his role as The Only Mexican in Los Angeles.

    And Olmos’ Gaff is depicted as some kind of pan-racial hybrid, complete with Mestizo facial features, blue eyes, and “yellow Japanese skin” (to use Olmos’ rather un-PC phrasing from an ’80s interview). Add that to his use of Cityspeak (“That gibberish he talked was Cityspeak, gutter talk, a mishmash of Japanese, Spanish, German, what have you.”), and maybe Gaff was Olmos’ attempt (Gaff’s look and speech were largely his creation) at giving us Vasconcelos’ La Raza Cósmica ?

    On the other hand, Ford, who shows up as Deckard again in 2049’s third act, is more comfortable in his role than he was in 1982. And nobody asks him to narrate. Ford’s amateurish voice-overs that the studio executives had demanded after screening audiences complained they couldn’t understand the plot nearly wrecked the first movie.

    According to various stories circulating in the aether, Fords sub-par delivery was intentional. The Studio wanted narration, but Ford didn’t. Ford thought that doing it badly would prevent the Studio from using it…..

    When I first saw it in 1982, I emerged with various querulous complaints that seemed increasingly petty as the years went by and its renown rose.

    One that bugged the 12-year old me when I watched it for the first time?If people are so worried about replicants infiltrating society, just give them blue skin. That way, people could spot them on sight. No more need for all the Voight-Kampff business…..

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    And yet we’ve still not seen a faithful rendering of one of Dick’s works.

    SCANNER DARKLY is a free-wheeling adaptation but does convey Dick's disequilibrium. It presents a warping reality, esp with fusion of live-action and animation.
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  54. Rod1963 says:
    @Clyde

    To this day, most other sci-fi movies foresee a future America that’s majority white with African-Americans as the main minority. Idiocracy is just about the only successor to Blade Runner in suggesting that America’s dystopian future will be even less white than its present.
     
    Only because American blacks have the juice to demand being in Hollywood movies. In the decades old shame liberal whiteys scam. The first black computer jockey I ever saw was Samuel Jackson in the first Jurassic Park. His image had to be modded to "street" by having a cigarette dangling from his lips. Meanwhile in the real world blacks are no more essential than Hispanics when it comes to advancing the human race. Asians are very good in advancing us. I know this from buying a new LED/LCD monitor a few days ago. It is a beautiful example of industrial arts.

    I think white liberals like movies without any blacks, tokens or otherwise. Lets see how much money the latest with Kate Winslet Blanchette whatever and Idris Alba. 'The Mountain Between Us'

    Cate Blanchett & Idris Elba Dine with Harvey Weinstein ...
    www.justjared.com/2016/02/13/cate-blanchett-idris-elba-dine-with...
    Feb 13, 2016 · Cate Blanchett & Idris Elba Dine with Harvey Weinstein Before the BAFTAs Cate Blanchett looks chic while attending Harvey Weinstein's Pre

    I think white liberals like movies without any blacks, tokens or otherwise. Lets see how much money the latest with Kate Winslet Blanchette whatever and Idris Alba. ‘The Mountain Between Us’

    $10 million so far. Wait a week and see if it has any legs. Really, blacks do not like nature at all. No one except city folk would believe that movie for a second. To see blacks hiking in a national forest is to see big foot. They are that rare.

    I prefer “The Grey”

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    Remember The Edge from 1997> The black guy played his role and did well at that but got eaten early by the bear. Then it was down to Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin and Alec lost and got killed.
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  55. benjaminl says:

    A couple of decades ago, I learned in film studies class that “Blade Runner” was an example of Postmodernism.

    https://franklinstreetdocuments.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/bruno-ramble-city.pdf

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  56. songbird says:
    @Paul Jolliffe
    Yep. Concern was rampant - note that this movie starred the equally-famous Sean Connery:

    https://youtu.be/a8zH5vjXGTA

    It’s funny how things change. The idea of the Japanese taking over actually seems kind of utopian now.

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  57. Marty says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Demography is just about everything, in Blade Runner 2049 and everything else, and the crack about Olmos being the only Mexican in Los Angeles is good. Why the Baltimore Colts in reference to the shoulder pads worn by Sean Young? I immediately thought of Bert Jones getting chased around by Joe Klecko. Klecko's teammate Gastineau used to love to grab quarterbacks by the uniform and throw them down, Klecko was old school, aim for the body and wrap them up.

    Los Angeles reminds me to remind the readers that if you take 5 jurisdictions away from Hillary Clinton, President Trump wins the popular vote in a landslide.

    Los Angeles, Manhattan, Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn -- those are the five. If you take them out of the presidential election, Trumps smashes the hell out of Hillary in the popular vote totals.

    Los Angeles and New York are home to many creatures who are quite similar to Harvey Weinstein. The Harvey Weinstein types control the Democrat Party. Blade Runner 2049 is a flop because the young people want to see Braveheart 2017, instead they get disgusting fat baby boomer rats like Harvey Weinstein pawing White Christian women.

    Steve Sailer has to be on the watch for bunny attacking birds and Harrison Ford crash landing his plane.

    Gastineau 6’6″/270, had a boxing match againt a black guy 6’2″ /220 in Reno in 1991. In the first round, he turned his back and ran out of the ring.

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    Gastineau 6’6″/270, had a boxing match againt a black guy 6’2″ /220 in Reno in 1991. In the first round, he turned his back and ran out of the ring.

     

    I say:

    Maybe Gastineau's boxing match contract stipulated that he had to go a certain amount of time in round 1 to collect his total payment, so once he did that he made his way to the bank to collect his loot.
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  58. jnc says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I recall I, Robot was almost all black?

    The cops where mostly black, but the scientists and the CEO where white (don’t remember if there were asians in the background). I think that’s not that far from current reality for a movie that mostly takes place in the inner city.

    Another sci-fi movie with mostly white characters was “Her”, with Joaquin Phoenix.

    I wouldn’t consider any of those movies to be dystopian. Robocop on the other hand was, and in fact the population was actually whiter than real life Detroit, even in the 80′s.

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  59. @MKP
    Always love the movie reviews, Steve, but can't believe you haven't weighed in on the latest news re: liberal Hollywood tearing itself apart.

    For those not following too closely:

    - the accusations against Harvey Wein have been upgraded to actual coerced sex. Also, a secretly-recorded audio tape has Harvey whining-slash-threatening in an attempt to get some young starlet into bed. The Manhattan DA is in hot water for having heard the tape and deciding not to prosecute.

    - Harvey's wife is leaving him.

    - famed fashion designer Donna Karan made a statement in which she called HW and his wife great people and said maybe the women in question were acting like they wanted it. She tried to later walk it back, but too late - the boycott is on (search #BoycottDK and #NoWayDK for details).

    - long-time HW collaborator and Ben Affleck has been accused of both failing to stop Harvey's lewd acts, and of doing a little groping of his own - the latest talk has fairly convincing accounts of him forcible pawing actress Hilarie Burton when she was 19.

    More will no doubt drop by the time this comment is published. Come on, Steve. Even if this doesn't require your in-depth insight, give us an open thread on Hollywood accusations so we can spike the ball.

    Another example of mob action in New Rome. In the end, the mob devours their own.

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  60. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    2049 looks like a willful exercise in cinematic myth-making. In other words, it seems to have been made-to-fail.

    There were big productions in movie history that went bust. But with passage of time, they came to be appreciated as neglected masterpieces. The first such venture was maybe INTOLERANCE by Griffith. People just didn’t get it, but film scholars came to admire it, esp as it became more risque to say good things about BIRTH OF A NATION. Kehr says it’s still ahead of its time.

    https://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/intolerance/Film?oid=1051740

    GREED was another big production that was butchered and then failed.

    Another huge disaster was LOLA MONTEZ. I can appreciate EARRINGS OF MADAME DE, but LOLA is hard-going despite all the mythology around it.

    http://www.thesamecinemaeverynight.net/lola-montes-a-movie-that-almost-provoked-a-riot-long-ago/

    There’s a certain pattern to this. A film-maker has a bunch of successes, critical and/or box-office. Then, the Big Studios figure the guy has midas touch and puts big money behind him. Problem is, with all the accolades and flush in cash, the guy gets carried away and does something ‘overly personal’ to showcase his genius. It turns out overly ‘arty’, ‘self-indulgent’, or ‘ahead of its time’, and fails big. Think of PLAYTIME and ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST, not fully appreciated at the the time. Or ZARDOZ, still not fully appreciated. (I think the deeply personal and visionary EXCALIBUR made some money, but then, it only cost 10 million.) BARRY LYNDON failed too. (Kubrick got away with 2001 because the effects were so amazing at the time. People were willing to suffer boredom just to be wowed by the effects. But even 2001 took several yrs to recoup its costs. Coppola also got lucky with APOCALYPSE NOW. It should have sunk him but there was just enough action and violence and controversy that enough people saw it and made a profit. 8 1/2 was another lucky success. Fellini got more self-indulgent than ever but had a hit.)

    Still, there was something genuine about past shipwrecks or titanics. The film-makers were sincerely trying to make box-office successes. They just got carried away and got ‘lost’. They were NOT trying to make noble failures. Also, the critical hostility or incomprehension was real. I think this applies to HEAVEN’S GATE. After the success of DEER HUNTER, Cimino really thought he could do no wrong, and big money was behind him. And the critical animus was all too real.

    http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/heavens-gate-1981

    But over time, there developed the myth of the neglected artist and his misunderstood vision. So, films that had been excoriated or rejected in the past were revived and rehabilitated as forgotten masterpieces. In some cases, this was justified and long overdue. PLAYTIME, ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST, and BLADE RUNNER now seem better than ever. But some film-makers got this silly idea that they were misunderstood artists and that they should willfully make something totally self-indulgent and over-the-top just to prove that they are ahead-of-their-time or visionary beyond time. Kael hailed these as grand Follies.

    Bertolucci took it to heart and made the ridiculous 1900, which even leftists had to admit was overlong, stupid, and retarded when not boring. Coppola made the ludicrous ONE FROM THE HEART. So enamored of his own auteur genius, he thought he could make a masterpiece with vision and camera. And what got in the mind of Spielberg to make 1941 in the manner of IT’S A MAD MAD MAD WORLD. Nothing worse than belabored comedy… though the ferris wheel stuff was hilarious.
    It didn’t matter that the songs were secondrate and the actors could hardly sing and dance. Still, at the very least, the critics didn’t fall for the crap.

    BLADE RUNNER was a genuine great movie that people overlooked at the time. But legendary films like that create the myth that (1) there are many other such neglected films to be rediscovered and (2) it’s noble for a film-maker to make a failure that will be appreciated in time… like Welles saying ‘we sell no wine before its time’.
    Problem is that even critics are on the same wavelength. So, they don’t want future folks to look back and say, “that dumb or unhip critic didn’t get it at the time”. So, these critics tend to overpraise a work just because it seems so over-reaching or outlandish or made by someone ‘legendary’.

    Worse, even movies that should just be entertainment hire self-indulgent auteur-wanna-be’s who charge it up with ‘vision’ thing. Disney’s LONE RANGER could have been a fun action-romp, but it’s made as if Orson Welles was hired for the job. The first hr has some amazing things, but we are left wondering why we all that technical virtuosity in a movie about absolutely nothing. I mean we want something more than Michael Bay but the last thing we want is auteur blockbuster junk.

    From the trailer and its length, I can’t help feeling 2049 is a film that was made to be a noble failure. I have a better idea. Make a theatrical release that is appealing to most people, and then a yr later, release a longer director’s cut for cult audiences who are willing to sit through more. That way, the studios can have the cake and eat it too. BLADE RUNNER was a genuine noble failures. Maybe 2049 is a replicant of a noble failure.

    Cameron was smart about the sequel of THE TERMINATOR. Though the original movie made some money, it was not a big hit and was seen by most critics as trashy b-movie, which it was though on a higher level. But over time, THE TERMINATOR became a mainstream cultural icon, even bigger than Rambo that got embarrassing over time. So, by the time TERMINATOR 2 came out, it was truly an event. And Cameron knew that mass audience want action in sci-fi, and the film had plenty of that, though too much in the last 1/3. Cameron took what worked in part 1 and expanded on them. But with 2049, it seems the directors took what worked least well with the audience and expanded on it. TRON LEGACY also did it right. And so did ROBOCOP remake that is so much better than the original. The new one has just enough directorial signature and populist narrative.

    And the cost. 150 million. It’s one thing for Wong Kar-wai to spend a limited sum on self-indulgence like 2046. But why so much for a remake of what essentially became a cult movie?

    Another thing. I think the sequel missed the BLADE RUNNER revival crest. For a time, there was a buzz even among the young about what a cool movie the original was. The Final Cut was released, and there was excitement. And naturally, people wanted Scott to do the sequel. But Scott got involved with PROMETHEUS and, worse, the ridiculous Moses movie. Even though Villeneuve is a good director — PRISONERS is trash but he made it look really good — , he has yet to gain legendary status. This really should have been Scott’s baby and made maybe 10 or 15 yrs ago.

    PS. Shipwrecks that deserve to be saved from seabottom: WATERWORLD, 13TH WARRIOR, ZARDOZ, REVOLUTION(pacino), HEAVEN AND EARTH(Stone), NIXON, GERONIMO.

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    Yes Barry Lyndon was not that bad. I saw it at a drive in. And Waterworld was also good like you say/promote. The homo-glob was not a factor back then, was off in the future.
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  61. Langley says:

    “The replicants, the ultimate in the deracinated and disposable, want to be part of a lineage, to have children and ancestors, to be a people.

    They must, of course, be stopped.”

    So they are White people?

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  62. BB753 says:
    @Clyde
    China is the real Japan. The Japan we feared in 80s and 90s that didn't pan out. China with all its free trade profits and the demographic heft of a billion and a half Chinamen can really screw with us. They are all nuked up and have a growing and advancing military. They have buildings full of cyber war hackers ready to take down American electric grids, military satellites and stock exchanges. The Japanese and Koreans are very clever and good but are comfort seekers. While China is raw and angry. Has scores to settle.

    “While China is raw and angry. Has scores to settle.”

    With whom? With the Japanese?

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    With everyone who isn’t (Han) Chinese; the Chinese have a spectacular superiority complex. They are like Muslim Arabs, but smarter.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Surely the Japanese. But what about the Western countries that occupied and "divvied up" part of China not much longer than a century ago (the UK and France et al.)? Doubt that the Chinese have forgotten, and why would they?

    Moreover, China will find it embarrassingly easy to take economic or physical revenge on the UK and France and Germany for that imperialist era. The UK, France, and Germany look to be self-hating, confused, unmanly countries. They all have declining and aging native populations, pathetic militaries, and a suicidal unwillingness to prevent Arab, North African, and subcontinental Muslims from gradually taking over their lands -- the UK will be unable to mount any meaningful long-term resistance to a Chinese military attack or more likely simply a naval blockade.

    Our kids aren't learning Mandarin just so they can get a high school part-time job at some fancy hotel here on the West Coast....

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  63. Bruce says:

    @’Harrison’s amateurish voice-overs’- I liked the voice-overs. They made sense of an otherwise scrambled movie. Is there some secret sauce to voice overs everyone knows but me? Heck, voice overs made Magnum PI work.

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  64. BB753 says:

    Are there any Blacks in the new Blade Runner movie? I seem to remember there were very few or no Blacks at all in the original film.

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    I counted two, just one with a speaking role.
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  65. jim jones says:

    Idiocracy was never plausible to me because it lacked tattoos on the underclass

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    Yes, and let's expand that: realism would require the movie to show tattoos on the MAJORITY of people under age forty, including people with college degrees and good-paying jobs. We seem to be approaching that gradually here in oh-so-hip Savage Los Angeles.
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  66. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Che Guava
    Good evening Steve.

    I never really hated Ford's voiceover narrative. From what I have seen of fifties noir, it is seemingly a convention.

    Although some parts are too expository, it had some very good lines. Also clangers, like 'My wife called me sushi, raw fish.'

    Ford is on record as resenting his role for various stupid reasons, not to reflecting well on his intelligence.

    Basically too stupid or egotistical to understand a role that less than a simple win-all action hero. It is easy to finding his quotes to demonstrating that.

    I am also strongly doubting that LA X had any influence on Hauer's street style. Punk in general, sure.

    As for Ford having been flat, I am thinking it had some of the greatest performances from him.

    Beating from Leon.

    Backstage interview with Zhora, he is playing it like a nastier Jerry Lewis.

    Final scene with Roy, perhaps his hatred of the role made that work, it sure does.

    Debatably, the scene where he is grabbing Sean Young, she is to claiming that he was really violent, to watch it, it is seeming to be true.

    No matter, the real star turns were by Hauer, Hannah, whoever was playing Eldon Tyrell, and Sean Young as Rachel.

    Appreciating your review, but from it and others, sounds like Sir Scott is to turning it into a similar theme to Prometheus (not yet viewed) and Alien:Covenant (viewed).

    Tyrell! Yes, the great Joe Turkel

    Made movies with Kubrick in the 50s (Paths of Glory, etc.) then MST3k dreck like Tormented! (playing a beatnik sailor blackmailer eerily like Lou Reed) then fades out. 1980, Kubrick call him up and he becomes Joe the bartender in The Shining. Couple years later, he’s in Blade Runner.

    So, of course, he retires immediately. Went out at the top.

    Paths of Glory … The Shining … Blade Runner. Best career ever.

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    Thank you for that. Have seen all of those. He is great.

    Wonder if his exaggeratedly thick spectacle lenses in Bladerunner may not have been inspired by those of Rip Torn (IIRC) in The Man Who Fell to Earth.

    Sure used to similar effect.
    , @D. K.
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001030/?ref_=tt_cl_t14
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  67. @Charles Pewitt
    Demography is just about everything, in Blade Runner 2049 and everything else, and the crack about Olmos being the only Mexican in Los Angeles is good. Why the Baltimore Colts in reference to the shoulder pads worn by Sean Young? I immediately thought of Bert Jones getting chased around by Joe Klecko. Klecko's teammate Gastineau used to love to grab quarterbacks by the uniform and throw them down, Klecko was old school, aim for the body and wrap them up.

    Los Angeles reminds me to remind the readers that if you take 5 jurisdictions away from Hillary Clinton, President Trump wins the popular vote in a landslide.

    Los Angeles, Manhattan, Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn -- those are the five. If you take them out of the presidential election, Trumps smashes the hell out of Hillary in the popular vote totals.

    Los Angeles and New York are home to many creatures who are quite similar to Harvey Weinstein. The Harvey Weinstein types control the Democrat Party. Blade Runner 2049 is a flop because the young people want to see Braveheart 2017, instead they get disgusting fat baby boomer rats like Harvey Weinstein pawing White Christian women.

    Steve Sailer has to be on the watch for bunny attacking birds and Harrison Ford crash landing his plane.

    You’re right about young people wanting to see Braveheart 2017. There were a lot of sensationalist historical or quasi-historical epics made in the 1990s and 2000s…..Braveheart, Last of the Mohicans, Titanic, Last Samurai, Gladiator, Gangs of New York etc. Most of them that weren’t boring (like Gods and Generals) did well in the box office.

    It seems the studios have given up on producing movies like this though. Not diverse enough, or all that money went towards comic books and sci-fi instead?

    Does sci-fi even do that well in the box office? Aside from Star Trek and Star Wars, that is (which is more fantasy along the lines of Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter anyway)….

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    You’re right about young people wanting to see Braveheart 2017. There were a lot of sensationalist historical or quasi-historical epics made in the 1990s and 2000s…..Braveheart, Last of the Mohicans, Titanic, Last Samurai, Gladiator, Gangs of New York etc. Most of them that weren’t boring (like Gods and Generals) did well in the box office.

     

    I say:

    Hollywood Jews Hate White Christians. Harvey Weinstein and his fellow rats in Hollywood do not want to do what Mel Gibson set out to do in Braveheart. Mel Gibson wanted to make an inspiring movie that shows White heroics on a grand scale. Gibson had a smash hit that was fun to watch, and it was uplifting.

    The Harvey Weinstein crowd in Hollywood told Mel Gibson to take a hike when Gibson was pitching "The Passion of the Christ." Mel Gibson made hundreds of millions of dollars on that movie. Harvey Weinstein and his fellow rats in Hollywood did not want to make a movie that celebrated the sacrifice of Jesus Christ as a transcendent, timeless event that changed the world.
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  68. EdwardM says:
    @AndrewR
    Affleck is utter scum. He rear ended my sister's friend on the expressway. The friend trusted Affleck to have integrity so didn't call the cops or take photos. Well when she submitted her claim to the insurance company, Affleck denied everything.

    Did the incident by chance occur while Changing Lanes was in production? Maybe he was in character.

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  69. @Buzz Mohawk
    Re:

    "... American anxiety about Japanese industrial competition of the early 1980′s?

    Yeah… what happened to Japan?"
     

    Population of Japan: 127 million

    Population of China: 1.37 BILLION

    Furthermore, Japan and China now each hold more than 1.2 TRILLION DOLLARS of US government debt. We owe our souls to both of them, and one of them is a monster.

    It is a monster that is "part of a lineage," that has "children and ancestors," that comprises "a people" who dwarf us and who work together -- whom nobody is telling can't be a people.

    The United States should print up the money and pay the Chinese and Japanese the money that the government owes them. Blade Runner 2049 would have nothing on the scenario that stiffing the Chinese and Japanese would have. Before the United States informed the Chinese and Japanese that they would be getting worthless debt-based fiat currency, the United States would have to vacate Japan and South Korea to prevent the unruly Asians from having some sort of gun boat diplomacy episode.

    THAT would be much more exciting and exhilarating than a 3 hour movie called Blade Runner 2049.

    The Germans did that to the French during the bleak times of war reparations after World War I. The Germans are good at the sharp cold edge of logic. Sometimes the edge is tricky to hold. If froggy wants his loot, the Krauts said, give it to them, print it up and hand it over.

    Blade Runner and Blade Runner 2049 are irritating because California is gone. Where did California go? Who knows, but it is not the California of 1965 anymore. Young White people could be given land in California to reward them for fighting in the Civil War II that would follow stiffing the Chinese and Japanese. Remember, there are a lot of treasonous dirtbags like Bill Clinton and George Weinstein Bush who sold out the sovereignty of the United States to China and Japan.

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  70. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Futurist sci-fi and Muslims.

    Has any movie dealt with how rise/spread of Islam might affect future science and technology?

    What if a noble geneticist who adores pigs decides to liberate the pigs by creating a Pig Leader? He combines human intelligence and pig genetics. So, the result is like a hogman. He walks upright and has legs and fingers but has a hog-head. And the hogoids or pigoids are smarter than men and about to take over the world. Most people are okay with it… but not the Muslims!! The idea of being ruled by hogoids freaks them out.

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    Hog leader! Hog leader!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t78taaCN1Lc
    , @Romanian
    The Riddick movie series (a guilty pleasure of mine) features Muslims in space, an imam secondary character and a planet of peaceful diversity called New Mecca. It is more fantasy than sci-fi after a certain point.
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  71. @Marty
    Gastineau 6'6"/270, had a boxing match againt a black guy 6'2" /220 in Reno in 1991. In the first round, he turned his back and ran out of the ring.

    Gastineau 6’6″/270, had a boxing match againt a black guy 6’2″ /220 in Reno in 1991. In the first round, he turned his back and ran out of the ring.

    I say:

    Maybe Gastineau’s boxing match contract stipulated that he had to go a certain amount of time in round 1 to collect his total payment, so once he did that he made his way to the bank to collect his loot.

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  72. @27 year old
    OT, Another black serial killer targeting White men in their 60s

    http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/crime_police/article_5dd68640-ad19-11e7-a997-c341c6e0c752.html

    Has it been reported that the killer is black?

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  73. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Futurist sci-fi and Muslims.

    Has any movie dealt with how rise/spread of Islam might affect future science and technology?

    What if a noble geneticist who adores pigs decides to liberate the pigs by creating a Pig Leader? He combines human intelligence and pig genetics. So, the result is like a hogman. He walks upright and has legs and fingers but has a hog-head. And the hogoids or pigoids are smarter than men and about to take over the world. Most people are okay with it... but not the Muslims!! The idea of being ruled by hogoids freaks them out.

    https://twitter.com/rejialex7/status/918110888590225409

    Hog leader! Hog leader!

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  74. @S. Anonyia
    You're right about young people wanting to see Braveheart 2017. There were a lot of sensationalist historical or quasi-historical epics made in the 1990s and 2000s.....Braveheart, Last of the Mohicans, Titanic, Last Samurai, Gladiator, Gangs of New York etc. Most of them that weren't boring (like Gods and Generals) did well in the box office.

    It seems the studios have given up on producing movies like this though. Not diverse enough, or all that money went towards comic books and sci-fi instead?

    Does sci-fi even do that well in the box office? Aside from Star Trek and Star Wars, that is (which is more fantasy along the lines of Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter anyway)....

    You’re right about young people wanting to see Braveheart 2017. There were a lot of sensationalist historical or quasi-historical epics made in the 1990s and 2000s…..Braveheart, Last of the Mohicans, Titanic, Last Samurai, Gladiator, Gangs of New York etc. Most of them that weren’t boring (like Gods and Generals) did well in the box office.

    I say:

    Hollywood Jews Hate White Christians. Harvey Weinstein and his fellow rats in Hollywood do not want to do what Mel Gibson set out to do in Braveheart. Mel Gibson wanted to make an inspiring movie that shows White heroics on a grand scale. Gibson had a smash hit that was fun to watch, and it was uplifting.

    The Harvey Weinstein crowd in Hollywood told Mel Gibson to take a hike when Gibson was pitching “The Passion of the Christ.” Mel Gibson made hundreds of millions of dollars on that movie. Harvey Weinstein and his fellow rats in Hollywood did not want to make a movie that celebrated the sacrifice of Jesus Christ as a transcendent, timeless event that changed the world.

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  75. Svigor says:

    no-backyards crowding

    Blade Runner sends very mixed messages in this regard. I didn’t get the impression that LA was crowded. Yes, there are crowds on some streets, but others are only sparsely occupied. The film makes a point of mentioning that Sebastian lives by himself; I want to say he has the whole floor of his building to himself, but I certainly remember him being the sole occupant of his enormous apartment (with 20′ ceilings). It is hinted elsewhere that everyone has left Earth for the colonies in space; Sebastian was unable to join them because of his “accelerated decrepitude”; the advertisements enticing the remaining population to leave Earth for the colonies are ubiquitous.

    I agree on the demographic change; LA is obviously Chinese/Mexican/what-have-you territory in the film.

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    As my buddy says, "In LA even the Chinatown is half Mexican."
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  76. keypusher says:

    To be honest, though, not that many people actually enjoyed Blade Runner in 1982. For instance, embarrassingly, I didn’t.

    You were right at the time. Remember the chess game that gets Sebastian and Roy in to see Tyrell? That was Anderssen-Kieseritzsky 1851, the “Immortal Game,” one of the most famous brilliancies of all time. Quite a pleasure to see on the screen. But if you think about it for five seconds, you see that Sebastian never could have played all those great earlier moves that set up the killer queen sacrifice Roy tells him to play. And one more second’s reflection would tell you that Tyrell would have reacted by immediately having Roy killed — not by inviting him upstairs so he could murder Tyrell.

    That was “Blade Runner” — beautiful but made no sense at all.

    While the first movie was about death (synthetic slave “replicants” rebel against their human creator because they were given only four-year life spans), the second is about birth. LAPD replicant hunter Gosling investigates rumors that Ford and Young had conceived a child in 2021, “a miracle” that inspires the man-made replicants to believe that they have souls and are worthy of self-determination.

    Religion was an important part of the humans’ life in Dick’s novel, I recall. I’ll have to see the movie. But I doubt its treatment of the replicants’ beliefs will be as intelligent as that in HBO’s recent “Westworld.” Did you ever review that, Steve? You’re not too late, season 2 won’t be until next year. It’s a trove of iSteve themes.

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    But if you think about it for five seconds, you see that Sebastian never could have played all those great earlier moves that set up the killer queen sacrifice Roy tells him to play.

    How aspergy can you get?
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  77. Pericles says:
    @Che Guava
    Good evening Steve.

    I never really hated Ford's voiceover narrative. From what I have seen of fifties noir, it is seemingly a convention.

    Although some parts are too expository, it had some very good lines. Also clangers, like 'My wife called me sushi, raw fish.'

    Ford is on record as resenting his role for various stupid reasons, not to reflecting well on his intelligence.

    Basically too stupid or egotistical to understand a role that less than a simple win-all action hero. It is easy to finding his quotes to demonstrating that.

    I am also strongly doubting that LA X had any influence on Hauer's street style. Punk in general, sure.

    As for Ford having been flat, I am thinking it had some of the greatest performances from him.

    Beating from Leon.

    Backstage interview with Zhora, he is playing it like a nastier Jerry Lewis.

    Final scene with Roy, perhaps his hatred of the role made that work, it sure does.

    Debatably, the scene where he is grabbing Sean Young, she is to claiming that he was really violent, to watch it, it is seeming to be true.

    No matter, the real star turns were by Hauer, Hannah, whoever was playing Eldon Tyrell, and Sean Young as Rachel.

    Appreciating your review, but from it and others, sounds like Sir Scott is to turning it into a similar theme to Prometheus (not yet viewed) and Alien:Covenant (viewed).

    Backstage interview with Zhora, he is playing it like a nastier Jerry Lewis.

    That was very interesting, I don’t think I’ve ever seen Harrison Ford do that elsewhere. Maybe they told him to cut it out.

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    He does it a little in one of the Star Wars movies, I think (Empire Strikes?), but nothing like the level of the questioning of Zhora in Bladerunner. Quite brilliant.

    Thx for the reminder in your u-tub link.

    Since he is on record as hating that film at the time and later, perhaps all of his good parts were just because he was hating it so much (^_^)!
    , @syonredux

    Backstage interview with Zhora, he is playing it like a nastier Jerry Lewis.

    That was very interesting, I don’t think I’ve ever seen Harrison Ford do that elsewhere. Maybe they told him to cut it out.
     
    I think that Ford was doing a riff on Bogart's performance in the scene in The Big Sleep where he visits Geiger's bookstore:



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sNhPdJFZcQ
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  78. bomag says:
    @RobertTaylor
    I've noticed that modern movies about the future show a lot of White people. Is the actual reality of being majority Brown too disconcerting? Too hard to imagine it as advanced?

    Seems like even TV shows may be Whiter than they used to be too, although I am not certain. But remember all those 70s shows that had Black families (Sanford and Son, Good Times, That's my Mama, The Jeffersons, What's Happening) . This was at a time when there were only 3 networks.

    It appears there are actually less non-White shows as an overall percentage now. And hardly any shows featuring Asians or Latinos.

    It's as if they wanted to push non-White characters when the country was very White, and now that the reality of it is sinking in, they prefer to pretend like it doesn't exist.

    It appears there are actually less non-White shows as an overall percentage now. And hardly any shows featuring Asians or Latinos

    It is a more segregated market now. There’s BET; the various Spanish language channels; Nollywood; Bollywood; Chinese flicks; etc.

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    You guys are both right in your observations. The ads we see for TV shows seem to show disproportionately large numbers of black characters/actors, and disproportionately few Asian characters/actors relative to the population of the USA (let alone the population of California). Who knows why that is.
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  80. notanon says:

    noir scifi is my fave thing so i liked it apart from the sound: dialog too quiet, rest much too loud.

    when i get the dvd i think i’ll have to watch it with the volume down and subtitles so i can enjoy it properly as i found the loudness really annoying – not the soundtrack itself just the volume

    (although if someone did a mashup using the original soundtrack that might be cool)

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  81. @RobertTaylor
    I've noticed that modern movies about the future show a lot of White people. Is the actual reality of being majority Brown too disconcerting? Too hard to imagine it as advanced?

    Seems like even TV shows may be Whiter than they used to be too, although I am not certain. But remember all those 70s shows that had Black families (Sanford and Son, Good Times, That's my Mama, The Jeffersons, What's Happening) . This was at a time when there were only 3 networks.

    It appears there are actually less non-White shows as an overall percentage now. And hardly any shows featuring Asians or Latinos.

    It's as if they wanted to push non-White characters when the country was very White, and now that the reality of it is sinking in, they prefer to pretend like it doesn't exist.

    Have you checked Univision?

    Although, to be fair, the cast of most Latin American shows is pretty Euro-looking.

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  82. Some thoughts, potentially spoilers.

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    I think the most interesting question posed by the new Blade Runner was the existence of the virtual girlfriend, and her sentience or lack of thereof. My wife and I greatly disagreed – she thought that at the end, it indicated that she was merely a programmed set of action and response, and therefore lacked an essential quality of humanness that the replicants could possess.

    I disagreed, mostly based on her seeming awareness and even though she was clearly cloned, she seemed to be similar in yearning for a sense of mortality, encapsulated by her desire to become a “real girl.” I think that was a new theme that R. Scott wanted to play with, and in that, it appealed to me.

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  83. Chase says:

    I went to a 5:00 showing last night by myself, the first movie I’ve seen in a theatre since American Hustle. Ticket: $16+. Soda:$7+ (I actually laughed out loud when the poor 16-year-old gave me the price). The movie was pretty good, and probably worth seeing in the theatre, but I don’t have a problem seeing why the movies are struggling. They could at least add some dynamic pricing like the ski resorts have. The capabilities are much stronger than the old matinee/not-matinee options.

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    Instead of dynamic pricing, the theaters have gotten pretty good at dynamic allocation of the number of auditoriums within the theater complex that they show the movie at. If "2049" were a hit they could show it at at a 12 screen multiplex on four screens, but since it flopped, they can put it in, say, just 2 small auditoriums.
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  84. Chase says:
    @ms. marple
    I didn't get the impression you liked the movie much at all.

    Also I'm curious if there was any attempt at creating replicant/human hybrids. Did replicants decide to keep to themselves?

    Or if the movie explained replicant biology and fertility.

    It explained the machine birth as only a miracle, fittingly I think.

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  85. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    vaguely Christological ambiguous allegory

    Some transhumanist types do see the rise of New Man as the new messiah or some such. Just like Christian myth says Jesus was created not by biological processes but by God, there are some transhummanies who say the New Man created by god-man’s genius in a the Lab will be the Hope and Salvation. Bigger than Star Child of 2001.

    This poses a problem. This Superior Being will be smarter and stronger and healthier and better than us. But we will have been his/her creator. We are his/her gods. We made them. But he/she might look upon us like Mel Gibson looks at Linda Hunt character in YEAR OF LIVING DANGEROUS. Gimpy runt. Is it worth creating a superior being? Was it worth it for whites to invent sports games and built entire businesses… just to let more athletic blacks dominate and take over as the icons of Western Sports?

    There is something in human nature that strives for stronger, better, more powerful, etc… even at the risk of self-extinction. It’s like men have risked their lives to climb the highest mountain… just to do it.

    There is a part of us that is so curious and want to go further and further. But we also want to maintain control. We want to build Hal, a computer with god-intelligence, but we want to have control over it. It’s a huge contradiction. But then, men invented gods that are supposedly more powerful than men and, in a way, gained control over men in the form of myth. Men became enslaved to their own imagination.

    Christianity is esp problematic because of its contradictions. Religion is about spirituality, about truth beyond flesh and materiality. Warriors are about power of blood and land. They’re about boots and steel. Warriors must win in THIS world, just like spiritualists must strive for the OTHER world. So, a symbiotic relation developed between them. Spiritualists, contemplating the higher meaning beyond physical reality, had no time to train to be warriors and killers. Warriors, being tough and hard, had little use for worship of the abstract.
    For that reason, spiritualists were defenseless unless protected by warriors. And since warriors lived a dangerous life where death is just around a corner, they wanted some kind of reassurance, and they got this from spiritualists who told them stuff like, “If you kick their butts and protect our butts, your soul will go to Valhalla and drink Mead forever.” Many cultures had such arrangement. The priest class and warrior class(later to become the aristocracy) scratched each other’s backs. Warriors protected the priests who, invoking the sacred, blessed the warriors. Jews had such an arrangement. King David fought well and protected the Jewish Rabbis who blessed him. And Islam is about warriors fighting the infidels and protecting the clerics who assured the warriors that 77 virgins were waiting for them in heaven.

    Christianity had this arrangement too. In a way, this was more crucial for Christianity because of its pacific nature. After all, even if the warriors fled and chickened out, rabbis and imans could theoretically pick up swords and learn to fight and bash heads. But Christianity taught its clergy to be saintly and not use violence. Turn the other cheek. So, in theory, Christian clergy aren’t supposed to fight. So, they relied totally on the toughness of Christian Warriors who did the bashing of the enemy and protected the Church. But here was the problem. The theory and practice so were at odds with each other. So, even as the Christian clergy blessed the Christian Warriors for bashing the enemies and protecting the Church, there was no getting around the fact that the Christian Warriors had acted un-Christian.
    This is where Judaism and Islam differ from Christianity. When Rabbis thank and bless the Jewish warriors, there’s consistency since Judaism isn’t a pacificist religion. Same with Islam. Muhammad told his men to go kick butt and use the sword to convert the Infidels.
    In contrast, Jesus sermonized about turning-the-other-cheek and loving-thy-enemy and dying at their hands than fighting back like a wounded bull. So, unlike the clergy of other faiths and belief systems who sincerely thanked and blessed the warriors, Christian clergy did so with a certain trepidation. This twisted emotions are on display in THE MISSION and EL CID, a tremendous movie.

    Christianity is damned-if-you-do; damned-if-you-don’t.

    We see this is the conflict between the two women in HIGH NOON. Jurado’s character represents Latin-Catholic worldview. Loyalty to kin, spouse, or lover is what matters most. The Catholic Church is sort of like that. Purity of faith matters less than fealty to tradition, institution, and clergy. She would have died for Cooper’s character if he were still her man. Then, she would go to hell and back for him. But since he is no longer her man, she won’t lift a finger.

    In contrast, Grace Kelly’s character represents an esp purist strain of Protestantism. She’s a Quaker and she won’t stick by her man EVEN WHEN justice and his honor are involved. She’s so devoted to Christian pacifism that she would rather reject her man for not being a Good Christian. She follows the Protestant ethics of personal individual conscience, the faith in the true teachings of Jesus unfiltered by institutional rationalizations or social necessities.

    Jurado’s way may be more realistic, but it’s hardly Christian in the moral sense. It’s closer to Greco-Latin modes of kinship and custom. Kelly’s way is more Christian but no way to survive as pacifisim and nice guys don’t win against boors. These days, the Kellys of the world have transferred their puritanism to OTHER causes, like homomania or Diversinoma. Protestantism is dead as religion but alive as attitude for other causes. Mainline churches are esp breeding grounds for PC lunatics whose purism is about worshiping Negroes, homos, and Diversity.
    As for Catholicism, it too is dead. It can’t make up its mind as to whether it’s a religion of individual conscience or institutionalized orthodoxy. It used to be more the latter, but after Vatican II, it’s gradually been turning into institutionalized frivolity. Just a fashion show. Current pope is especially ridiculous.

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    This poses a problem. This Superior Being will be smarter and stronger and healthier and better than us. But we will have been his/her creator. We are his/her gods. We made them. But he/she might look upon us like Mel Gibson looks at Linda Hunt character in YEAR OF LIVING DANGEROUS. Gimpy runt.
     
    a lot of immigrant groups you get 4' 6" parents with kids a foot taller. i doubt the kids have a problem with it - as long as you imprint when little it'll stick for life.

    so that would be the key imo, getting them to imprint at the beginning.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "Current pope is especially ridiculous."

    http://www.breitbart.com/news/italian-prisoners-use-pope-visit-as-chance-to-escape/

    "Two prisoners who were invited to meet Pope Francis for lunch on his recent visit to Bologna took advantage of the occasion to escape, local media reports said Wednesday.

    The two men, who were being held in a rehabilitation facility for drug addicts and prisoners, were reportedly among 20 prisoners who were due to meet Francis on October 1.

    They disappeared either just before or just after the lunch and have not been seen since, according to reports that local authorities have not confirmed or denied."
     
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  86. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @keypusher
    To be honest, though, not that many people actually enjoyed Blade Runner in 1982. For instance, embarrassingly, I didn’t.

    You were right at the time. Remember the chess game that gets Sebastian and Roy in to see Tyrell? That was Anderssen-Kieseritzsky 1851, the "Immortal Game," one of the most famous brilliancies of all time. Quite a pleasure to see on the screen. But if you think about it for five seconds, you see that Sebastian never could have played all those great earlier moves that set up the killer queen sacrifice Roy tells him to play. And one more second's reflection would tell you that Tyrell would have reacted by immediately having Roy killed -- not by inviting him upstairs so he could murder Tyrell.

    That was "Blade Runner" -- beautiful but made no sense at all.

    While the first movie was about death (synthetic slave “replicants” rebel against their human creator because they were given only four-year life spans), the second is about birth. LAPD replicant hunter Gosling investigates rumors that Ford and Young had conceived a child in 2021, “a miracle” that inspires the man-made replicants to believe that they have souls and are worthy of self-determination.

    Religion was an important part of the humans' life in Dick's novel, I recall. I'll have to see the movie. But I doubt its treatment of the replicants' beliefs will be as intelligent as that in HBO's recent "Westworld." Did you ever review that, Steve? You're not too late, season 2 won't be until next year. It's a trove of iSteve themes.

    But if you think about it for five seconds, you see that Sebastian never could have played all those great earlier moves that set up the killer queen sacrifice Roy tells him to play.

    How aspergy can you get?

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    How aspergy can you get?

    Let me put it another way. Suppose Williams had portrayed Stanley Kowalski as writing Shakespeare-level sonnets on the side. Wouldn't made sense, would it? That's what Blade Runner did with Sebastian. Except what it did was more like him writing twelve stupendous lines (while having no idea what he was doing), and getting ready to wind up with something about "moon" and "June" and then Batty supplying him with the final couplet.

    That chess game was one of many little messes in that giant mess of a movie. But thanks for helping me understand the mentality of people who think Blade Runner was brilliant.

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  87. Pericles says:

    It also has to be said that the esteemed classic Demolition Man managed to predict the future a lot better than Bladerunner. Watch it and tell me I’m wrong.

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    Yeah, "Demolition Man" predicted Dennis Rodman's hairdo almost exactly.

    Seriously, Demolition Man is pretty great.

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  88. @Chase
    I went to a 5:00 showing last night by myself, the first movie I’ve seen in a theatre since American Hustle. Ticket: $16+. Soda:$7+ (I actually laughed out loud when the poor 16-year-old gave me the price). The movie was pretty good, and probably worth seeing in the theatre, but I don’t have a problem seeing why the movies are struggling. They could at least add some dynamic pricing like the ski resorts have. The capabilities are much stronger than the old matinee/not-matinee options.

    Instead of dynamic pricing, the theaters have gotten pretty good at dynamic allocation of the number of auditoriums within the theater complex that they show the movie at. If “2049″ were a hit they could show it at at a 12 screen multiplex on four screens, but since it flopped, they can put it in, say, just 2 small auditoriums.

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  89. @Pericles
    It also has to be said that the esteemed classic Demolition Man managed to predict the future a lot better than Bladerunner. Watch it and tell me I'm wrong.

    Yeah, “Demolition Man” predicted Dennis Rodman’s hairdo almost exactly.

    Seriously, Demolition Man is pretty great.

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    Aren't nearly all movies projected digitally these days? If a movie is a hit, the theater doesn't need to wait for actual film reels to arrive to show it on more screens.
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  90. Thomas says:

    The replicants, the ultimate in the deracinated and disposable, want to be part of a lineage, to have children and ancestors, to be a people.

    They must, of course, be stopped.

    Haven’t seen 2049 yet, but one of the most subversive subtexts of the original is that the all-white (especially Rutger Hauer and Daryl Hannah) replicants come off as more human than (and, but for their short lives, superior to) anyone in smog- and immigrant-choked 2019 Los Angeles: a technological Übermensch in search of its own destiny.

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  92. Thomas says:
    @RobertTaylor
    I've noticed that modern movies about the future show a lot of White people. Is the actual reality of being majority Brown too disconcerting? Too hard to imagine it as advanced?

    Seems like even TV shows may be Whiter than they used to be too, although I am not certain. But remember all those 70s shows that had Black families (Sanford and Son, Good Times, That's my Mama, The Jeffersons, What's Happening) . This was at a time when there were only 3 networks.

    It appears there are actually less non-White shows as an overall percentage now. And hardly any shows featuring Asians or Latinos.

    It's as if they wanted to push non-White characters when the country was very White, and now that the reality of it is sinking in, they prefer to pretend like it doesn't exist.

    Black people and white people don’t watch the same TV shows anymore.

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  93. Svigor says:

    Although some parts are too expository, it had some very good lines. Also clangers, like ‘My wife called me sushi, raw fish.’

    Ford is on record as resenting his role for various stupid reasons, not to reflecting well on his intelligence.

    Ford comes across as an asshole to me, based on what little I’ve read of him. He says stupid shit like he never would have taken the Star Wars roles, looking back; something about their being too simple (see, Indiana Jones is super-complicated, because Ford’s the star). (He also carried Polanski’s Oscar or whatever to him in Europe, not exactly an endearing act) Ford has never struck me as complicated. He made his name in action fare like Star Wars and Indiana Jones; without it, he’d have no career to look back on. He famously never gives interviews about Blade Runner, presumably because he hates the film, or at least his role in it, or because he clashed with Scott repeatedly during production. My theory is that when he realized he got upstaged by Rutger Hauer in nearly every way possible, he declared the film dead to him forever.

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    yeah - Ford being wooden and a bit of a dick made him perfect for the role of a replicant who doesn't know he's a replicant.

    i can see why he was bitter though - the replicants were supposed to be the bad guys but they were too sympathetic.
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  94. @Desiderius
    Holding my twelve-week-old son here, it does seem that this is the kernel of our present troubles.

    Congratulations! May your son enjoy freedom and prosperity in the country that he rightfully inherits. May God protect him.

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  95. Svigor says:

    8 versions of Blade Runner

    Anybody got a cheat sheet? I want the one with as much extra footage as possible, but without the voice narration.

    The 80s had a few movies showing this dystopian future, one being the unforgettable ‘Robocop 2’ that I enjoyed for a few minutes last night.

    Thinking back, I assumed Robocop 2 and Predator 2 were sci-fi film legacies of the LA riots, but it turns out that of the examples I came up with, only Demolition Man qualifies:

    Predator: 1987
    Robocop: 1987
    Predator 2:
    Robocop 2: 1990
    LA Riots: 1992
    Demolition Man: 1993

    So Predator 2 and Robocop 2 were more prescient than reminiscent of the LA riots.

    The Wikipedia article on the subject seems to suffer from being too literal, as Demolition Man isn’t even mentioned:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots_in_popular_culture

    Yeah, “Demolition Man” predicted Dennis Rodman’s hairdo almost exactly.

    Seriously, Demolition Man is pretty great.

    Haha. Demolition Man is in my top 10 (yes, I’m a Philistine). I wrote all of the above before it was mentioned; you just can’t talk sci-fi movies without talking Demolition Man. The Running Man and Total Recall (the original, not the shit remake) are great too, a few amateur moves (using film footage in the movie and some junky Mars sets, respectively) aside.

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    So Predator 2 and Robocop 2 were more prescient than reminiscent of the LA riots.

    Since then, they did much to algorithmize the police, esp in NY. They turned policing into freakopatrolics.

    NY, the center of bobo's. David Brooks calls it a paradise full of them.

    Given how the New Policing saved Bobopolis from the thugs, Brooks oughta start a comic book franchise called Bobocop. It can teach the world how to handle crime in the most rational and 'humane' manner.

    How about stop-and-frisk followed by free starbucks coffee and $20 gift certificate for the suspect(if clean).

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  96. @BB753
    Hollywood starlets being sluts and Hollywood producers being pigs is a sort of "dog bites man" news, not "man bites dog".
    The real question here is: what Hollywood actress (or actor) hasn't slept with a producer or director to advance his career? Very few, apart from Danny deVito and that fat black actress from "Precious ", I guess.

    I take it you mean that no one asked Danny DeVito to put out, not that he didn’t demand it of women. Rhea Perlman divorced him because of his womanizing.

    I can’t help thinking of Rodney Dangerfield’s line: “Showbiz — what a racket. Sometimes I think back on all the women I had to sleep with to get where I got!”

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  97. @Danindc
    "With the shoulder pads of a Baltimore Colt" that's such a good line. You had to smile after you wrote it.

    Did you have someone in mind? Unitas, Marchetti or Raymond Berry?

    See MEH 0910’s SCTV clip above: “Bronko Nagurski called. He wants his shoulders back.”

    http://theworldoffootball.com/Articles/Bronko_Nagurski_Museum.htm

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  98. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Was it really one of the few to show demographic change?

    It’s one of the FIRST, I think. Since then, it’s become the new norm to ‘diversity’ everything. Consider the remake MAGGOT SEVEN.

    First STAR WARS was all-white. I think CLOSE ENCOUNTERS had just one noticeable Negro as the radar guy.
    LOGAN’S RUN was all-white. THX 1138 had one Negro but he was Harlemgram.

    ALIEN had one Negro.

    PLANET OF THE APES had diversity in chimps, gorillas, and orangutans but left out the gibbons.

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    Gibbons’ lives matter!
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  99. @Desiderius
    Holding my twelve-week-old son here, it does seem that this is the kernel of our present troubles.

    Congratulations, and good luck! As I look forward to my first child as well, it truly does feel like a milestone in life.

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  100. Che Guava says:
    @Anon
    Tyrell! Yes, the great Joe Turkel

    Made movies with Kubrick in the 50s (Paths of Glory, etc.) then MST3k dreck like Tormented! (playing a beatnik sailor blackmailer eerily like Lou Reed) then fades out. 1980, Kubrick call him up and he becomes Joe the bartender in The Shining. Couple years later, he's in Blade Runner.

    So, of course, he retires immediately. Went out at the top.

    Paths of Glory ... The Shining ... Blade Runner. Best career ever.

    Thank you for that. Have seen all of those. He is great.

    Wonder if his exaggeratedly thick spectacle lenses in Bladerunner may not have been inspired by those of Rip Torn (IIRC) in The Man Who Fell to Earth.

    Sure used to similar effect.

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  101. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    “And so did ROBOCOP remake that is so much better than the original.”

    Surely, you must be joking. Otherwise, you have no taste in movies. That Robocop remake was awful – a narrative mess, confused, forgettable characters, the main character design was an uninspired Nolan Batman film ripoff, a poor musical score, and a lame plot with an uninteresting main villain. That remake missed all of the critical subtext of the original movie. The few new things it introduced it failed to develop properly (or they were just dumb and should have been left out in the first place).

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    That remake missed all of the critical subtext of the original movie.

    Yeah, US is a fascist police state. Paul Verboten was both targeting and celebrating US as a crime-ridden society of greed where you need Corporatist Cops to keep the order.
    It was so teutonically dumb and obvious. Verboten later made the same point in same manner about the US military with STARSHIP TROOPERS. Both a mockery and revelry of the globalist imperialist fascist state.
    It's cartoonish, and only a moron would miss the 'subtext'.

    The remake is better on every level. It was made with finer touch. The main character is more interesting and so is his interaction with others, esp with his family. In the original, robocop is pretty much all alone. In the remake, it's more about interaction.

    Also, the bad guys in the original are just cartoon bad guys. But in the remake, they are driven to evil out of power and greed. But we can see how they are not inherently evil and could have been different.

    And lots of neat action scenes and striking images.
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  102. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Charles Pewitt:

    Demography is just about everything, in Blade Runner 2049 and everything else, and the crack about Olmos being the only Mexican in Los Angeles is good.

    To a large extent but not entirely. After all, Jews are only 2% of the US but control many elite institutions.

    Also, if people’s political affiliations are collective, why do Asians and Mexicans/blacks vote alike? After all, on average, Asians earn more than even whites. They have little in common with blacks or Mesos.
    Now, if White America were blatantly hostile to minorities, we can understand why Asians, even as higher-earners, would feel closer to other ‘victimized’ minorities. But White America isn’t like that. And your average East Asian or Hindu would rather make a flight to white than away from white. They don’t want to live with lots of Negroes or Mesos.

    Given the lack of hostility toward Asians, why do they vote for the anti-white party? Why do they have PC attitudes? And this may have less to do with demography than ‘ideography’. The elites who control media and academia have colonized so many minds, high and low, with PC virus that makes them feel superior in moral status by attaching to certain attitudes.

    So, it’s not just about what you are but how you’re mind was affected by what reigning ideology and iconography.

    Since moral status in the US depends on pleading for sympathy as victim of ‘white supremacism’, even Jews and Asians gravitate to the anti-white party even though most whites are not hostile to them and even though their behavior in relation to blacks isn’t much different from that of whites: Run from black crime!

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  103. @BB753
    "While China is raw and angry. Has scores to settle."

    With whom? With the Japanese?

    With everyone who isn’t (Han) Chinese; the Chinese have a spectacular superiority complex. They are like Muslim Arabs, but smarter.

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    the Chinese have a spectacular superiority complex.
     
    More like a spectacular inferiority complex. Just like it's always the Shoah with the Jews, it's always the Opium Wars with the Chinese.

    I am only half-serious, of course. It's the kind of thing half-intelligent people say at second-tier cocktail parties to sound knowledgeable.
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  104. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Interestingly neither is a native New Yorker. Weinstein is from Buffalo.

    Weinstein is from New York. He went to school in Buffalo and started his grand tour of leeching off other people’s talents (and physical attributes) as a rock concert promoter while a student there.

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    102 Anonymous > started his grand tour of leeching off other people’s talents (and physical attributes) as a rock concert promoter while a student there


    Here we go again, pretending that farmers made the suburbs possible. No folks, it was guys who lent money to trucking companies to BRING the food to the suburbs that made it possible.

    Promoters made music possible. Without Epstein, the Beatles would ==still== be playing strip bars in Berlin
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  105. Blade Runner has Rutger Hauer using a line very similar to a line used by James Mason in North by Northwest.

    Hauer: “Not very sporting to fire on an unarmed opponent.”

    Mason: “That wasn’t very sporting using real bullets.”

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  106. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    No matter, the real star turns were by Hauer, Hannah, whoever was playing Eldon Tyrell, and Sean Young as Rachel.

    Young was radiant in the movie. Too bad she had a mostly depressing career afterwards. She was fun in NO WAY OUT though. An 80s classic.

    http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~ejohnson/critics/sarris.html#y1987

    The ‘genius’ of BLADE RUNNER was giving the androids only 4 yrs to live. That set them apart from other robots and androids. Generally, we think of humans as mortal, robots and androids as immortal: just change the batteries and they’re like the energizer bunny.
    I think the Terminator batteries can go for 200 yrs. David in A.I. can last forever. He just needs to be recharged once in a while. That’s his curse. He can’t die and outlives everyone he comes to care for, esp someone he’s imprinted on. Because robots are so immortal, they can only be destroyed, like at the Flesh Fair. And even if they can ‘live’ forever, new models arrive and the old ones are no longer necessary. So, they are tossed out like home appliances. Problem is these robo-appliances have consciousness. Presumably, they all have on/off switches, but some just run away once they realize they are to be deactivated. Or their owners, unable to terminate them, just let them loose… like David was let loose by his ‘mommy’.

    In contrast to such durable robots and androids, replicants have 4 yr lifespans. It’d be no problem if they just had minimal consciousness to do simple work. But Tyrell being Tyrell projected his genius onto them. He made them more human than human.

    With Tyrell, the replicant threat is life-or-death. They might be coming after him to torture and kill him, esp if he’s unable to cure their ‘cancer’ or HIV-infection.

    With Deckard, the replicant threat is love. He might be falling in love with one of them. Double trouble. (1) He is supposed to kill her. (2) Even if he spares her and they run away together, she won’t live too long, and it will be like LOVE STORY where Oliver will be all alone. It’s like being with someone stricken with deadly disease.

    It’s like each replicant has a kind of inbuilt cyber-cancer. Apparently, from the agonies of Batty, it’s like a progressive disease. It’s not like the android will just tune off suddenly. Rather, there is a process of sickness and decay before the android finally stops functioning. It really dies than just signing off.

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    With Deckard, the replicant threat is love.
     
    Quite literally the case in the book. In Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, Rachael Rosen is programmed by the Rosen Association (the film's "Tyrell Corporation") to sleep with bounty hunters ("Blade Runners" in the film) as a way to prevent them from carrying out their mission.
    , @notanon

    The ‘genius’ of BLADE RUNNER was giving the androids only 4 yrs to live.
     
    yes
    , @Autochthon
    For the love of God, it’s “rather than.” The correct phrase in these comparative contexts is “rather than,” not merely “than.”

    Please stop writing like an unfrozen caveman or a Malaysian graduate student in the department of mathematics.
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  107. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Great review, Steve. One of your strengths as a writer is you know when to stop.

    Agreed, unlike the first Bladerunner, which definitely needed to be edited by about 20 minutes.

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  108. “Perhaps because the weather in L.A. is too dry and warm to make the trench coats traditionally worn by movie private eyes practical, Scott decreed that smog had changed the climate.”

    Except of course when the Santa Ana winds blow during end of year which can help lower the temps quite a bit.

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  109. Che Guava says:
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    Backstage interview with Zhora, he is playing it like a nastier Jerry Lewis.

     

    That was very interesting, I don't think I've ever seen Harrison Ford do that elsewhere. Maybe they told him to cut it out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBM8guGUoOQ

    He does it a little in one of the Star Wars movies, I think (Empire Strikes?), but nothing like the level of the questioning of Zhora in Bladerunner. Quite brilliant.

    Thx for the reminder in your u-tub link.

    Since he is on record as hating that film at the time and later, perhaps all of his good parts were just because he was hating it so much (^_^)!

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  110. syonredux says:
    @Pericles

    Backstage interview with Zhora, he is playing it like a nastier Jerry Lewis.

     

    That was very interesting, I don't think I've ever seen Harrison Ford do that elsewhere. Maybe they told him to cut it out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBM8guGUoOQ

    Backstage interview with Zhora, he is playing it like a nastier Jerry Lewis.

    That was very interesting, I don’t think I’ve ever seen Harrison Ford do that elsewhere. Maybe they told him to cut it out.

    I think that Ford was doing a riff on Bogart’s performance in the scene in The Big Sleep where he visits Geiger’s bookstore:

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    The tone of voice is eerily similar.
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  111. notanon says:
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    vaguely Christological ambiguous allegory

    Some transhumanist types do see the rise of New Man as the new messiah or some such. Just like Christian myth says Jesus was created not by biological processes but by God, there are some transhummanies who say the New Man created by god-man's genius in a the Lab will be the Hope and Salvation. Bigger than Star Child of 2001.

    This poses a problem. This Superior Being will be smarter and stronger and healthier and better than us. But we will have been his/her creator. We are his/her gods. We made them. But he/she might look upon us like Mel Gibson looks at Linda Hunt character in YEAR OF LIVING DANGEROUS. Gimpy runt. Is it worth creating a superior being? Was it worth it for whites to invent sports games and built entire businesses... just to let more athletic blacks dominate and take over as the icons of Western Sports?

    There is something in human nature that strives for stronger, better, more powerful, etc... even at the risk of self-extinction. It's like men have risked their lives to climb the highest mountain... just to do it.

    There is a part of us that is so curious and want to go further and further. But we also want to maintain control. We want to build Hal, a computer with god-intelligence, but we want to have control over it. It's a huge contradiction. But then, men invented gods that are supposedly more powerful than men and, in a way, gained control over men in the form of myth. Men became enslaved to their own imagination.

    Christianity is esp problematic because of its contradictions. Religion is about spirituality, about truth beyond flesh and materiality. Warriors are about power of blood and land. They're about boots and steel. Warriors must win in THIS world, just like spiritualists must strive for the OTHER world. So, a symbiotic relation developed between them. Spiritualists, contemplating the higher meaning beyond physical reality, had no time to train to be warriors and killers. Warriors, being tough and hard, had little use for worship of the abstract.
    For that reason, spiritualists were defenseless unless protected by warriors. And since warriors lived a dangerous life where death is just around a corner, they wanted some kind of reassurance, and they got this from spiritualists who told them stuff like, "If you kick their butts and protect our butts, your soul will go to Valhalla and drink Mead forever." Many cultures had such arrangement. The priest class and warrior class(later to become the aristocracy) scratched each other's backs. Warriors protected the priests who, invoking the sacred, blessed the warriors. Jews had such an arrangement. King David fought well and protected the Jewish Rabbis who blessed him. And Islam is about warriors fighting the infidels and protecting the clerics who assured the warriors that 77 virgins were waiting for them in heaven.

    Christianity had this arrangement too. In a way, this was more crucial for Christianity because of its pacific nature. After all, even if the warriors fled and chickened out, rabbis and imans could theoretically pick up swords and learn to fight and bash heads. But Christianity taught its clergy to be saintly and not use violence. Turn the other cheek. So, in theory, Christian clergy aren't supposed to fight. So, they relied totally on the toughness of Christian Warriors who did the bashing of the enemy and protected the Church. But here was the problem. The theory and practice so were at odds with each other. So, even as the Christian clergy blessed the Christian Warriors for bashing the enemies and protecting the Church, there was no getting around the fact that the Christian Warriors had acted un-Christian.
    This is where Judaism and Islam differ from Christianity. When Rabbis thank and bless the Jewish warriors, there's consistency since Judaism isn't a pacificist religion. Same with Islam. Muhammad told his men to go kick butt and use the sword to convert the Infidels.
    In contrast, Jesus sermonized about turning-the-other-cheek and loving-thy-enemy and dying at their hands than fighting back like a wounded bull. So, unlike the clergy of other faiths and belief systems who sincerely thanked and blessed the warriors, Christian clergy did so with a certain trepidation. This twisted emotions are on display in THE MISSION and EL CID, a tremendous movie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU14R9hbUFc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZzCrkIf5Sc

    Christianity is damned-if-you-do; damned-if-you-don't.

    We see this is the conflict between the two women in HIGH NOON. Jurado's character represents Latin-Catholic worldview. Loyalty to kin, spouse, or lover is what matters most. The Catholic Church is sort of like that. Purity of faith matters less than fealty to tradition, institution, and clergy. She would have died for Cooper's character if he were still her man. Then, she would go to hell and back for him. But since he is no longer her man, she won't lift a finger.

    In contrast, Grace Kelly's character represents an esp purist strain of Protestantism. She's a Quaker and she won't stick by her man EVEN WHEN justice and his honor are involved. She's so devoted to Christian pacifism that she would rather reject her man for not being a Good Christian. She follows the Protestant ethics of personal individual conscience, the faith in the true teachings of Jesus unfiltered by institutional rationalizations or social necessities.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-kZ-wd6cyI

    Jurado's way may be more realistic, but it's hardly Christian in the moral sense. It's closer to Greco-Latin modes of kinship and custom. Kelly's way is more Christian but no way to survive as pacifisim and nice guys don't win against boors. These days, the Kellys of the world have transferred their puritanism to OTHER causes, like homomania or Diversinoma. Protestantism is dead as religion but alive as attitude for other causes. Mainline churches are esp breeding grounds for PC lunatics whose purism is about worshiping Negroes, homos, and Diversity.
    As for Catholicism, it too is dead. It can't make up its mind as to whether it's a religion of individual conscience or institutionalized orthodoxy. It used to be more the latter, but after Vatican II, it's gradually been turning into institutionalized frivolity. Just a fashion show. Current pope is especially ridiculous.

    https://youtu.be/XIcFNSQXj24?t=1m16s

    This poses a problem. This Superior Being will be smarter and stronger and healthier and better than us. But we will have been his/her creator. We are his/her gods. We made them. But he/she might look upon us like Mel Gibson looks at Linda Hunt character in YEAR OF LIVING DANGEROUS. Gimpy runt.

    a lot of immigrant groups you get 4′ 6″ parents with kids a foot taller. i doubt the kids have a problem with it – as long as you imprint when little it’ll stick for life.

    so that would be the key imo, getting them to imprint at the beginning.

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  112. syonredux says:
    @Anon
    No matter, the real star turns were by Hauer, Hannah, whoever was playing Eldon Tyrell, and Sean Young as Rachel.

    Young was radiant in the movie. Too bad she had a mostly depressing career afterwards. She was fun in NO WAY OUT though. An 80s classic.

    http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~ejohnson/critics/sarris.html#y1987

    The 'genius' of BLADE RUNNER was giving the androids only 4 yrs to live. That set them apart from other robots and androids. Generally, we think of humans as mortal, robots and androids as immortal: just change the batteries and they're like the energizer bunny.
    I think the Terminator batteries can go for 200 yrs. David in A.I. can last forever. He just needs to be recharged once in a while. That's his curse. He can't die and outlives everyone he comes to care for, esp someone he's imprinted on. Because robots are so immortal, they can only be destroyed, like at the Flesh Fair. And even if they can 'live' forever, new models arrive and the old ones are no longer necessary. So, they are tossed out like home appliances. Problem is these robo-appliances have consciousness. Presumably, they all have on/off switches, but some just run away once they realize they are to be deactivated. Or their owners, unable to terminate them, just let them loose... like David was let loose by his 'mommy'.

    In contrast to such durable robots and androids, replicants have 4 yr lifespans. It'd be no problem if they just had minimal consciousness to do simple work. But Tyrell being Tyrell projected his genius onto them. He made them more human than human.

    With Tyrell, the replicant threat is life-or-death. They might be coming after him to torture and kill him, esp if he's unable to cure their 'cancer' or HIV-infection.

    With Deckard, the replicant threat is love. He might be falling in love with one of them. Double trouble. (1) He is supposed to kill her. (2) Even if he spares her and they run away together, she won't live too long, and it will be like LOVE STORY where Oliver will be all alone. It's like being with someone stricken with deadly disease.

    It's like each replicant has a kind of inbuilt cyber-cancer. Apparently, from the agonies of Batty, it's like a progressive disease. It's not like the android will just tune off suddenly. Rather, there is a process of sickness and decay before the android finally stops functioning. It really dies than just signing off.

    With Deckard, the replicant threat is love.

    Quite literally the case in the book. In Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, Rachael Rosen is programmed by the Rosen Association (the film’s “Tyrell Corporation”) to sleep with bounty hunters (“Blade Runners” in the film) as a way to prevent them from carrying out their mission.

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  113. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    The fundamental challenge the entertainment industry faces going forward is how to continue giving their target audience what they want without spoiling their products with forced, uncomfortable fake diversity. As the country continues Balkanizing, this may become a nearly insurmountable challenge.

    Take Marvel Comics, for example.

    In order to combat falling sales due to digital media competition, they decided they’d dump the pale male audience they had and replace it with minorities, lesbians, and women. Wow, genius move as we all know that there is a HUGE audience among those groups waiting to move into reading cartoon books about Captain America and Thor.

    Instead, you’d think they would be using the movies to bring in new, younger readers. All they’d have to do is make their comic characters act like normal people and resemble the movie characters.

    Nope. Instead, they did the following:

    1. Replaced most of the white male characters with quasitransexuals, masculinized women, feminists, air-headed fake geek girls, gurl power groups, and beta male white knights (but still plenty of straight white male villains).

    They replaced white male Iron Man with a 15 year old black female genius who they write as a psychopath. They replaced a white male Thor with a female who stole his name as Thor (Thor is a name, not a title for a position) and had her break a character’s jaw for implying that “feminism is a four letter word.”

    2. Started hiring people based on superficial identity traits rather than actual talent. Are you a lesbian? Cool, write this new lesbian character even though you have zero experience in the industry.

    They even hired someone from Twitter due to the person’s identity with a “marginalized” group rather than any experience with writing comic books.

    3. Turned their comic books into political propaganda:

    a. All females get along and don’t ever have any character flaws because gurl power (boring).

    b. Characters are written like psychopaths: their transexual Captain Marvel character encouraged the Muslim Ms. Marvel character to break down people’s doors without warrants and arrest them.

    They replaced all – or nearly all – the original characters, a la Stalin’s purge, with new, diverse characters and, predictably, their sales have cratered. I didn’t take a genius to know that blacks and women don’t, and probably won’t ever, read superhero comic books, no matter what you put in them.

    Marvel Comics failed the test of being able to deliver to their target demographic and have likely set themselves up for future restructuring or dissolution.

    Seriously, type “SJW Marvel” into Youtube and you’ll get a plethora of videos explaining this “post profit” company.

    Marvel Comics may be our future. They don’t care that their sales are in free fall just like Sony didn’t care that replacing all the male Ghostbuster characters with female characters and turning the project into a chick flick would doom their sales. It was all about have the right audience, not the largest audience.

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    They replaced white male Iron Man with a 15 year old black female genius who they write as a psychopath.
     
    SJW Magical thinking: we can make reality out of fantasy. Creating a fictional Black, female STEM genius will Hey!Presto! conjure a generation of actual Black, female STEM geniuses. Of course, where Tony Stark was concerned, the process went in the other direction. Fantasy was shaped by reality, as Tony Stark was simply a comic book version of actual Anglo-American inventors: Edison, Goddard, the Wright Brothers, Philo Farnsworth….
    , @Pericles

    They replaced a white male Thor with a female who stole his name as Thor (Thor is a name, not a title for a position)

     

    I'll have to tell my brother-in-law, also named Thor.

    Thora is a perfectly good female name (e.g., actress Thora Birch) ... but I suppose that's not the point. Oh these subtle SJWs.
    , @Pericles
    Actually, I think profits are not really their problem. Marvel Comics should act as the R&D department for Disney and develop fun new IP that will lead to more blockbuster movies. Unfortunately, they seem to be taking the worst possible approach to this.

    (Though profits provide a measure of 'fun'.)

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  114. notanon says:
    @Svigor

    Although some parts are too expository, it had some very good lines. Also clangers, like ‘My wife called me sushi, raw fish.’

    Ford is on record as resenting his role for various stupid reasons, not to reflecting well on his intelligence.
     
    Ford comes across as an asshole to me, based on what little I've read of him. He says stupid shit like he never would have taken the Star Wars roles, looking back; something about their being too simple (see, Indiana Jones is super-complicated, because Ford's the star). (He also carried Polanski's Oscar or whatever to him in Europe, not exactly an endearing act) Ford has never struck me as complicated. He made his name in action fare like Star Wars and Indiana Jones; without it, he'd have no career to look back on. He famously never gives interviews about Blade Runner, presumably because he hates the film, or at least his role in it, or because he clashed with Scott repeatedly during production. My theory is that when he realized he got upstaged by Rutger Hauer in nearly every way possible, he declared the film dead to him forever.

    yeah – Ford being wooden and a bit of a dick made him perfect for the role of a replicant who doesn’t know he’s a replicant.

    i can see why he was bitter though – the replicants were supposed to be the bad guys but they were too sympathetic.

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  115. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Clyde:

    The Fifth Element was what made Milla Jovovich into a sci-fi fan doll. Propelling her to where she has made millions off the Resident Evil franchise. More power to her, she is delicious.

    She is a peculiar case. She isn’t much of an actress, and she isn’t particularly pretty though certainly attractive. In serious roles, she is usually deadly. I lasted about 15 min of her serious movie with Deniro and Ed Norton.
    She’s better in bubblegum roles, but even here, it depends. ULTRAVIOLET is very much like RESIDENT EVIL, but it doesn’t work. Jovovich with long hair hasn’t the allure. But in RESIDENT EVIL, she has just the right kind of tomboy look and attitude that makes the series stand out even though it is mindless trash. And it has fun villains. And a plot concept that can be twisted in so many ways.

    FIFTH ELEMENT is an interesting work, both too dumb and too smart for its own good. It has neat concept as sci-fi comedy, mixing parody and wonder, working but not working.

    One thing about diversity in sci-fi… it’s there on the plate but without the sauce. I suppose it’s partly understandable because sci-fi travel and technology are about professionalism. So, even if spaceship has people of various races, they were likely chosen for their conformism to professionalism and expertise. So, we see different colors but not different cultures. Take SUNSHINE where whites, hindu/brazilian, chinese, etc all seemed to act the same.

    Professionalism is big in sci-fi because it’s understood that these techno-adventures require people who really know the stuff. If it must be a black guy, it has to be one who knows engineering, not some rapping yapping fool. If it must be a Japanese guy, it must be someone who can read a radar than has tea-ceremony like Rooney in BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY’S.

    Understandable, but this takes something away from sci-fi movies. Generally, we have flat bland personalities than strong ones rooted in ethnicity and culture.
    So, Italian-Americans in space will likely act like the wasp Bowman and Boole in 2001.
    But wouldn’t it be more fun to have the guys in MEAN STREETS in outerspace? Or if HAL was designed to be AL, the dago-supercomputer. Then, the exchange between an astronaut and Al could be something like this:

    The really fun thing about LAST MAN STANDING is the Irish vs Italian angle. Makes it more flavorful. Potatoes vs Pasta.

    I wanna see Italians in space.

    I’d finally see Star Trek if it featured Joe Pesci as captain of the Enterprise with his crew taking on space aliens.

    Or have space aliens invade particular ethnic communities than generic American ones.
    This was one of the more interesting aspects of Blaxploitation movies. It catered to black attitudes and tastes.

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  116. notanon says:
    @Anon
    No matter, the real star turns were by Hauer, Hannah, whoever was playing Eldon Tyrell, and Sean Young as Rachel.

    Young was radiant in the movie. Too bad she had a mostly depressing career afterwards. She was fun in NO WAY OUT though. An 80s classic.

    http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~ejohnson/critics/sarris.html#y1987

    The 'genius' of BLADE RUNNER was giving the androids only 4 yrs to live. That set them apart from other robots and androids. Generally, we think of humans as mortal, robots and androids as immortal: just change the batteries and they're like the energizer bunny.
    I think the Terminator batteries can go for 200 yrs. David in A.I. can last forever. He just needs to be recharged once in a while. That's his curse. He can't die and outlives everyone he comes to care for, esp someone he's imprinted on. Because robots are so immortal, they can only be destroyed, like at the Flesh Fair. And even if they can 'live' forever, new models arrive and the old ones are no longer necessary. So, they are tossed out like home appliances. Problem is these robo-appliances have consciousness. Presumably, they all have on/off switches, but some just run away once they realize they are to be deactivated. Or their owners, unable to terminate them, just let them loose... like David was let loose by his 'mommy'.

    In contrast to such durable robots and androids, replicants have 4 yr lifespans. It'd be no problem if they just had minimal consciousness to do simple work. But Tyrell being Tyrell projected his genius onto them. He made them more human than human.

    With Tyrell, the replicant threat is life-or-death. They might be coming after him to torture and kill him, esp if he's unable to cure their 'cancer' or HIV-infection.

    With Deckard, the replicant threat is love. He might be falling in love with one of them. Double trouble. (1) He is supposed to kill her. (2) Even if he spares her and they run away together, she won't live too long, and it will be like LOVE STORY where Oliver will be all alone. It's like being with someone stricken with deadly disease.

    It's like each replicant has a kind of inbuilt cyber-cancer. Apparently, from the agonies of Batty, it's like a progressive disease. It's not like the android will just tune off suddenly. Rather, there is a process of sickness and decay before the android finally stops functioning. It really dies than just signing off.

    The ‘genius’ of BLADE RUNNER was giving the androids only 4 yrs to live.

    yes

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  117. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Clyde
    China is the real Japan. The Japan we feared in 80s and 90s that didn't pan out. China with all its free trade profits and the demographic heft of a billion and a half Chinamen can really screw with us. They are all nuked up and have a growing and advancing military. They have buildings full of cyber war hackers ready to take down American electric grids, military satellites and stock exchanges. The Japanese and Koreans are very clever and good but are comfort seekers. While China is raw and angry. Has scores to settle.

    China is too constrained by geography and geopolitics to ever be a global hegemon. If they knock the U.S. off its perch, or if the U.S. just collapses/retreats militarily, what comes next would be worse for China: a military alliance of its neighbors to contain it. Consider that Japan alone mopped the floor with China last century and throw in Vietnam, India, Australia, etc.

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    115 Dave Pinsen > China is too constrained by geography and geopolitics to ever be a global hegemon


    i'll mention that to all the middle-class (by their standards) Djiboutians who are currently studying cookbooks about Chinese cuisine
    , @Anon
    China is too constrained by geography and geopolitics to ever be a global hegemon.

    US is blessed with two oceans whereas China faces only one ocean.

    But if Chinese play it right, they can create a vast trade network across Russia, Central Asia, and Middle East all the way to Europe.

    Chinese can play it to their advantage if they do it right.
    , @Clyde
    Keep dreaming your normalcy bias dreams. China is a monster that has stolen military tech/HBomb miniaturization and non military tech from us.
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  118. notanon says:

    something i wonder after seeing the new one is what orphans make of either movie

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  119. syonredux says:
    @Anon
    The fundamental challenge the entertainment industry faces going forward is how to continue giving their target audience what they want without spoiling their products with forced, uncomfortable fake diversity. As the country continues Balkanizing, this may become a nearly insurmountable challenge.

    Take Marvel Comics, for example.

    In order to combat falling sales due to digital media competition, they decided they'd dump the pale male audience they had and replace it with minorities, lesbians, and women. Wow, genius move as we all know that there is a HUGE audience among those groups waiting to move into reading cartoon books about Captain America and Thor.

    Instead, you'd think they would be using the movies to bring in new, younger readers. All they'd have to do is make their comic characters act like normal people and resemble the movie characters.

    Nope. Instead, they did the following:

    1. Replaced most of the white male characters with quasitransexuals, masculinized women, feminists, air-headed fake geek girls, gurl power groups, and beta male white knights (but still plenty of straight white male villains).

    They replaced white male Iron Man with a 15 year old black female genius who they write as a psychopath. They replaced a white male Thor with a female who stole his name as Thor (Thor is a name, not a title for a position) and had her break a character's jaw for implying that "feminism is a four letter word."

    2. Started hiring people based on superficial identity traits rather than actual talent. Are you a lesbian? Cool, write this new lesbian character even though you have zero experience in the industry.

    They even hired someone from Twitter due to the person's identity with a "marginalized" group rather than any experience with writing comic books.

    3. Turned their comic books into political propaganda:

    a. All females get along and don't ever have any character flaws because gurl power (boring).

    b. Characters are written like psychopaths: their transexual Captain Marvel character encouraged the Muslim Ms. Marvel character to break down people's doors without warrants and arrest them.

    They replaced all - or nearly all - the original characters, a la Stalin's purge, with new, diverse characters and, predictably, their sales have cratered. I didn't take a genius to know that blacks and women don't, and probably won't ever, read superhero comic books, no matter what you put in them.

    Marvel Comics failed the test of being able to deliver to their target demographic and have likely set themselves up for future restructuring or dissolution.

    Seriously, type "SJW Marvel" into Youtube and you'll get a plethora of videos explaining this "post profit" company.

    Marvel Comics may be our future. They don't care that their sales are in free fall just like Sony didn't care that replacing all the male Ghostbuster characters with female characters and turning the project into a chick flick would doom their sales. It was all about have the right audience, not the largest audience.

    They replaced white male Iron Man with a 15 year old black female genius who they write as a psychopath.

    SJW Magical thinking: we can make reality out of fantasy. Creating a fictional Black, female STEM genius will Hey!Presto! conjure a generation of actual Black, female STEM geniuses. Of course, where Tony Stark was concerned, the process went in the other direction. Fantasy was shaped by reality, as Tony Stark was simply a comic book version of actual Anglo-American inventors: Edison, Goddard, the Wright Brothers, Philo Farnsworth….

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    Don’t forget Howard Hughs: the prototype for Tony Stark.

    God bless you for mentioning Robert Hutchings Goddard. A favorite from my youth.
    , @keypusher
    That kind of magical thinking also just asphyxiates drama. In the original Star Wars trilogy, Luke Skywalker develops. In the first movie, he can only watch while Darth Vader kills Obi-wan. In the second, he gives Darth Vader a good fight. In the third movie, he defeats him. But in The Force Awakens, Rey has to be perfect (beautiful, can beat up men twice her size, crack pilot, etc.) more or less out of the box. It's boring and irritating.

    It also hurts in another way. Part of the fun of the original Star Wars movies was having the same dominant villain throughout, undefeated until the very end. But Rey defeated Kylo Ren easily in the first movie. So they're either going to build Kylo Ren up (good luck with that) or feature a different villain in the next one -- Andy Serkis, I guess? Hope their CGI is up to the challenge.
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  120. martin2 says:

    Concerning the first Bladerunner film. It’s very prudish. There’s a lonely male character in it who makes his own robots and is tricked by the female robot, – I don’t know his name. Anyway, he makes all these stupid robots, dwarves, etcetera. Where is his robot harem of young sexy women?

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  121. @Twinkie

    Los Angeles in 2019 was overwhelmed by Asian immigrants
     
    I know them Asians all look the same to you and all, but wasn't the L.A. of the original basically a Japanese colony, reflecting the American anxiety about Japanese industrial competition of the early 1980's?

    Yeah... what happened to Japan?

    Well, it’s still Japanese, for one thing. They seem to have a much better chance at retaining control of their own society, culture, economy, and government, than traditional Americans do, at least in the near to medium-term future.

    (long-term, sure, I don’t know how a non-nuclear country with an aged, declining population and no natural resources resists China in warfare or merely a blockade; just saying that at least there is still “a Japanese Japan” and good for them)

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  122. @BB753
    "While China is raw and angry. Has scores to settle."

    With whom? With the Japanese?

    Surely the Japanese. But what about the Western countries that occupied and “divvied up” part of China not much longer than a century ago (the UK and France et al.)? Doubt that the Chinese have forgotten, and why would they?

    Moreover, China will find it embarrassingly easy to take economic or physical revenge on the UK and France and Germany for that imperialist era. The UK, France, and Germany look to be self-hating, confused, unmanly countries. They all have declining and aging native populations, pathetic militaries, and a suicidal unwillingness to prevent Arab, North African, and subcontinental Muslims from gradually taking over their lands — the UK will be unable to mount any meaningful long-term resistance to a Chinese military attack or more likely simply a naval blockade.

    Our kids aren’t learning Mandarin just so they can get a high school part-time job at some fancy hotel here on the West Coast….

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    I don't know, the Chinese don't seem to be able to hold long grudges like other nations do. Because they're not only smart, they're pragmatic too.
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  123. Romanian says: • Website
    @Anon
    Futurist sci-fi and Muslims.

    Has any movie dealt with how rise/spread of Islam might affect future science and technology?

    What if a noble geneticist who adores pigs decides to liberate the pigs by creating a Pig Leader? He combines human intelligence and pig genetics. So, the result is like a hogman. He walks upright and has legs and fingers but has a hog-head. And the hogoids or pigoids are smarter than men and about to take over the world. Most people are okay with it... but not the Muslims!! The idea of being ruled by hogoids freaks them out.

    https://twitter.com/rejialex7/status/918110888590225409

    The Riddick movie series (a guilty pleasure of mine) features Muslims in space, an imam secondary character and a planet of peaceful diversity called New Mecca. It is more fantasy than sci-fi after a certain point.

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    Fire up your torrent download machine and get hold of "The Edge" 1997
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  124. Romanian says: • Website
    @BB753
    Are there any Blacks in the new Blade Runner movie? I seem to remember there were very few or no Blacks at all in the original film.

    I counted two, just one with a speaking role.

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  125. Pericles says:
    @syonredux

    Backstage interview with Zhora, he is playing it like a nastier Jerry Lewis.

    That was very interesting, I don’t think I’ve ever seen Harrison Ford do that elsewhere. Maybe they told him to cut it out.
     
    I think that Ford was doing a riff on Bogart's performance in the scene in The Big Sleep where he visits Geiger's bookstore:



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sNhPdJFZcQ

    The tone of voice is eerily similar.

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  126. @jim jones
    Idiocracy was never plausible to me because it lacked tattoos on the underclass

    Yes, and let’s expand that: realism would require the movie to show tattoos on the MAJORITY of people under age forty, including people with college degrees and good-paying jobs. We seem to be approaching that gradually here in oh-so-hip Savage Los Angeles.

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  127. Pericles says:
    @Anon
    The fundamental challenge the entertainment industry faces going forward is how to continue giving their target audience what they want without spoiling their products with forced, uncomfortable fake diversity. As the country continues Balkanizing, this may become a nearly insurmountable challenge.

    Take Marvel Comics, for example.

    In order to combat falling sales due to digital media competition, they decided they'd dump the pale male audience they had and replace it with minorities, lesbians, and women. Wow, genius move as we all know that there is a HUGE audience among those groups waiting to move into reading cartoon books about Captain America and Thor.

    Instead, you'd think they would be using the movies to bring in new, younger readers. All they'd have to do is make their comic characters act like normal people and resemble the movie characters.

    Nope. Instead, they did the following:

    1. Replaced most of the white male characters with quasitransexuals, masculinized women, feminists, air-headed fake geek girls, gurl power groups, and beta male white knights (but still plenty of straight white male villains).

    They replaced white male Iron Man with a 15 year old black female genius who they write as a psychopath. They replaced a white male Thor with a female who stole his name as Thor (Thor is a name, not a title for a position) and had her break a character's jaw for implying that "feminism is a four letter word."

    2. Started hiring people based on superficial identity traits rather than actual talent. Are you a lesbian? Cool, write this new lesbian character even though you have zero experience in the industry.

    They even hired someone from Twitter due to the person's identity with a "marginalized" group rather than any experience with writing comic books.

    3. Turned their comic books into political propaganda:

    a. All females get along and don't ever have any character flaws because gurl power (boring).

    b. Characters are written like psychopaths: their transexual Captain Marvel character encouraged the Muslim Ms. Marvel character to break down people's doors without warrants and arrest them.

    They replaced all - or nearly all - the original characters, a la Stalin's purge, with new, diverse characters and, predictably, their sales have cratered. I didn't take a genius to know that blacks and women don't, and probably won't ever, read superhero comic books, no matter what you put in them.

    Marvel Comics failed the test of being able to deliver to their target demographic and have likely set themselves up for future restructuring or dissolution.

    Seriously, type "SJW Marvel" into Youtube and you'll get a plethora of videos explaining this "post profit" company.

    Marvel Comics may be our future. They don't care that their sales are in free fall just like Sony didn't care that replacing all the male Ghostbuster characters with female characters and turning the project into a chick flick would doom their sales. It was all about have the right audience, not the largest audience.

    They replaced a white male Thor with a female who stole his name as Thor (Thor is a name, not a title for a position)

    I’ll have to tell my brother-in-law, also named Thor.

    Thora is a perfectly good female name (e.g., actress Thora Birch) … but I suppose that’s not the point. Oh these subtle SJWs.

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  128. @Svigor

    no-backyards crowding
     
    Blade Runner sends very mixed messages in this regard. I didn't get the impression that LA was crowded. Yes, there are crowds on some streets, but others are only sparsely occupied. The film makes a point of mentioning that Sebastian lives by himself; I want to say he has the whole floor of his building to himself, but I certainly remember him being the sole occupant of his enormous apartment (with 20' ceilings). It is hinted elsewhere that everyone has left Earth for the colonies in space; Sebastian was unable to join them because of his "accelerated decrepitude"; the advertisements enticing the remaining population to leave Earth for the colonies are ubiquitous.

    I agree on the demographic change; LA is obviously Chinese/Mexican/what-have-you territory in the film.

    As my buddy says, “In LA even the Chinatown is half Mexican.”

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  129. @bomag

    It appears there are actually less non-White shows as an overall percentage now. And hardly any shows featuring Asians or Latinos
     
    It is a more segregated market now. There's BET; the various Spanish language channels; Nollywood; Bollywood; Chinese flicks; etc.

    You guys are both right in your observations. The ads we see for TV shows seem to show disproportionately large numbers of black characters/actors, and disproportionately few Asian characters/actors relative to the population of the USA (let alone the population of California). Who knows why that is.

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  130. Pericles says:
    @Anon
    The fundamental challenge the entertainment industry faces going forward is how to continue giving their target audience what they want without spoiling their products with forced, uncomfortable fake diversity. As the country continues Balkanizing, this may become a nearly insurmountable challenge.

    Take Marvel Comics, for example.

    In order to combat falling sales due to digital media competition, they decided they'd dump the pale male audience they had and replace it with minorities, lesbians, and women. Wow, genius move as we all know that there is a HUGE audience among those groups waiting to move into reading cartoon books about Captain America and Thor.

    Instead, you'd think they would be using the movies to bring in new, younger readers. All they'd have to do is make their comic characters act like normal people and resemble the movie characters.

    Nope. Instead, they did the following:

    1. Replaced most of the white male characters with quasitransexuals, masculinized women, feminists, air-headed fake geek girls, gurl power groups, and beta male white knights (but still plenty of straight white male villains).

    They replaced white male Iron Man with a 15 year old black female genius who they write as a psychopath. They replaced a white male Thor with a female who stole his name as Thor (Thor is a name, not a title for a position) and had her break a character's jaw for implying that "feminism is a four letter word."

    2. Started hiring people based on superficial identity traits rather than actual talent. Are you a lesbian? Cool, write this new lesbian character even though you have zero experience in the industry.

    They even hired someone from Twitter due to the person's identity with a "marginalized" group rather than any experience with writing comic books.

    3. Turned their comic books into political propaganda:

    a. All females get along and don't ever have any character flaws because gurl power (boring).

    b. Characters are written like psychopaths: their transexual Captain Marvel character encouraged the Muslim Ms. Marvel character to break down people's doors without warrants and arrest them.

    They replaced all - or nearly all - the original characters, a la Stalin's purge, with new, diverse characters and, predictably, their sales have cratered. I didn't take a genius to know that blacks and women don't, and probably won't ever, read superhero comic books, no matter what you put in them.

    Marvel Comics failed the test of being able to deliver to their target demographic and have likely set themselves up for future restructuring or dissolution.

    Seriously, type "SJW Marvel" into Youtube and you'll get a plethora of videos explaining this "post profit" company.

    Marvel Comics may be our future. They don't care that their sales are in free fall just like Sony didn't care that replacing all the male Ghostbuster characters with female characters and turning the project into a chick flick would doom their sales. It was all about have the right audience, not the largest audience.

    Actually, I think profits are not really their problem. Marvel Comics should act as the R&D department for Disney and develop fun new IP that will lead to more blockbuster movies. Unfortunately, they seem to be taking the worst possible approach to this.

    (Though profits provide a measure of ‘fun’.)

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  131. Clyde says:
    @Rod1963

    I think white liberals like movies without any blacks, tokens or otherwise. Lets see how much money the latest with Kate Winslet Blanchette whatever and Idris Alba. ‘The Mountain Between Us’
     
    $10 million so far. Wait a week and see if it has any legs. Really, blacks do not like nature at all. No one except city folk would believe that movie for a second. To see blacks hiking in a national forest is to see big foot. They are that rare.

    I prefer "The Grey"

    Remember The Edge from 1997> The black guy played his role and did well at that but got eaten early by the bear. Then it was down to Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin and Alec lost and got killed.

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  132. Clyde says:
    @Romanian
    The Riddick movie series (a guilty pleasure of mine) features Muslims in space, an imam secondary character and a planet of peaceful diversity called New Mecca. It is more fantasy than sci-fi after a certain point.

    Fire up your torrent download machine and get hold of “The Edge” 1997

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    I saw it on TV once. I cannot say I was too impressed with it. Why recommend it?
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  133. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anon
    SATURN 3. A much-promoted sci-fi movie from 1980, esp cuz of Farrah Fawcett. Totally forgotten. Directed by Donen of SINGIN IN THE RAIN.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omsdQ0hPRY8

    Big budget Disney sci-fi, one of their first non-G-rated movies. Total junk. Aptly titled 'Black Hole' because all the talent and budget must have gotten sucked into it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzUJJKDa558

    Other than BLADE RUNNER, how many 80s sci-fi were good?

    TRON, NAUSICAA, LAPUTA, EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, TERMINATOR, THE THING, THE FLY, VIDEODROME, SCANNERS, BGC.

    ALTERED STATES could have been good if Russell wasn't such a mess director.

    I remember Saturn 3. It’s funny that Kirk Douglas, who’s still with us, was the old guy in it back then.

    The Black Hole was flawed but spectacular. Same with Dune, though Lynch clearly ran out of money before finishing the space travel scenes.

    Altered States was great, with an excellent script by Chayefsky.

    The original Tron was a snooze fest, but the sequel a few years ago was excellent.

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    Altered States was great......
     
    It got me really wound up back then. What a great movie for that era what 1983? I would laugh if I saw it today.
    , @Anon
    The Black Hole was flawed but spectacular.

    I knew a kid who raved about it when it came out. Reviews were pretty negative and I missed it.

    I saw it much later on video and it is so bad on every level.

    The original Tron was a snooze fest

    It's like a silent movie. Very visual.
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  134. Clyde says:
    @Anon
    2049 looks like a willful exercise in cinematic myth-making. In other words, it seems to have been made-to-fail.

    There were big productions in movie history that went bust. But with passage of time, they came to be appreciated as neglected masterpieces. The first such venture was maybe INTOLERANCE by Griffith. People just didn't get it, but film scholars came to admire it, esp as it became more risque to say good things about BIRTH OF A NATION. Kehr says it's still ahead of its time.

    https://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/intolerance/Film?oid=1051740

    GREED was another big production that was butchered and then failed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Mppy2VQB8

    Another huge disaster was LOLA MONTEZ. I can appreciate EARRINGS OF MADAME DE, but LOLA is hard-going despite all the mythology around it.

    http://www.thesamecinemaeverynight.net/lola-montes-a-movie-that-almost-provoked-a-riot-long-ago/

    There's a certain pattern to this. A film-maker has a bunch of successes, critical and/or box-office. Then, the Big Studios figure the guy has midas touch and puts big money behind him. Problem is, with all the accolades and flush in cash, the guy gets carried away and does something 'overly personal' to showcase his genius. It turns out overly 'arty', 'self-indulgent', or 'ahead of its time', and fails big. Think of PLAYTIME and ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST, not fully appreciated at the the time. Or ZARDOZ, still not fully appreciated. (I think the deeply personal and visionary EXCALIBUR made some money, but then, it only cost 10 million.) BARRY LYNDON failed too. (Kubrick got away with 2001 because the effects were so amazing at the time. People were willing to suffer boredom just to be wowed by the effects. But even 2001 took several yrs to recoup its costs. Coppola also got lucky with APOCALYPSE NOW. It should have sunk him but there was just enough action and violence and controversy that enough people saw it and made a profit. 8 1/2 was another lucky success. Fellini got more self-indulgent than ever but had a hit.)

    Still, there was something genuine about past shipwrecks or titanics. The film-makers were sincerely trying to make box-office successes. They just got carried away and got 'lost'. They were NOT trying to make noble failures. Also, the critical hostility or incomprehension was real. I think this applies to HEAVEN'S GATE. After the success of DEER HUNTER, Cimino really thought he could do no wrong, and big money was behind him. And the critical animus was all too real.

    http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/heavens-gate-1981

    But over time, there developed the myth of the neglected artist and his misunderstood vision. So, films that had been excoriated or rejected in the past were revived and rehabilitated as forgotten masterpieces. In some cases, this was justified and long overdue. PLAYTIME, ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST, and BLADE RUNNER now seem better than ever. But some film-makers got this silly idea that they were misunderstood artists and that they should willfully make something totally self-indulgent and over-the-top just to prove that they are ahead-of-their-time or visionary beyond time. Kael hailed these as grand Follies.

    Bertolucci took it to heart and made the ridiculous 1900, which even leftists had to admit was overlong, stupid, and retarded when not boring. Coppola made the ludicrous ONE FROM THE HEART. So enamored of his own auteur genius, he thought he could make a masterpiece with vision and camera. And what got in the mind of Spielberg to make 1941 in the manner of IT'S A MAD MAD MAD WORLD. Nothing worse than belabored comedy... though the ferris wheel stuff was hilarious.
    It didn't matter that the songs were secondrate and the actors could hardly sing and dance. Still, at the very least, the critics didn't fall for the crap.

    BLADE RUNNER was a genuine great movie that people overlooked at the time. But legendary films like that create the myth that (1) there are many other such neglected films to be rediscovered and (2) it's noble for a film-maker to make a failure that will be appreciated in time... like Welles saying 'we sell no wine before its time'.
    Problem is that even critics are on the same wavelength. So, they don't want future folks to look back and say, "that dumb or unhip critic didn't get it at the time". So, these critics tend to overpraise a work just because it seems so over-reaching or outlandish or made by someone 'legendary'.

    Worse, even movies that should just be entertainment hire self-indulgent auteur-wanna-be's who charge it up with 'vision' thing. Disney's LONE RANGER could have been a fun action-romp, but it's made as if Orson Welles was hired for the job. The first hr has some amazing things, but we are left wondering why we all that technical virtuosity in a movie about absolutely nothing. I mean we want something more than Michael Bay but the last thing we want is auteur blockbuster junk.

    From the trailer and its length, I can't help feeling 2049 is a film that was made to be a noble failure. I have a better idea. Make a theatrical release that is appealing to most people, and then a yr later, release a longer director's cut for cult audiences who are willing to sit through more. That way, the studios can have the cake and eat it too. BLADE RUNNER was a genuine noble failures. Maybe 2049 is a replicant of a noble failure.

    Cameron was smart about the sequel of THE TERMINATOR. Though the original movie made some money, it was not a big hit and was seen by most critics as trashy b-movie, which it was though on a higher level. But over time, THE TERMINATOR became a mainstream cultural icon, even bigger than Rambo that got embarrassing over time. So, by the time TERMINATOR 2 came out, it was truly an event. And Cameron knew that mass audience want action in sci-fi, and the film had plenty of that, though too much in the last 1/3. Cameron took what worked in part 1 and expanded on them. But with 2049, it seems the directors took what worked least well with the audience and expanded on it. TRON LEGACY also did it right. And so did ROBOCOP remake that is so much better than the original. The new one has just enough directorial signature and populist narrative.

    And the cost. 150 million. It's one thing for Wong Kar-wai to spend a limited sum on self-indulgence like 2046. But why so much for a remake of what essentially became a cult movie?

    Another thing. I think the sequel missed the BLADE RUNNER revival crest. For a time, there was a buzz even among the young about what a cool movie the original was. The Final Cut was released, and there was excitement. And naturally, people wanted Scott to do the sequel. But Scott got involved with PROMETHEUS and, worse, the ridiculous Moses movie. Even though Villeneuve is a good director -- PRISONERS is trash but he made it look really good -- , he has yet to gain legendary status. This really should have been Scott's baby and made maybe 10 or 15 yrs ago.

    PS. Shipwrecks that deserve to be saved from seabottom: WATERWORLD, 13TH WARRIOR, ZARDOZ, REVOLUTION(pacino), HEAVEN AND EARTH(Stone), NIXON, GERONIMO.

    Yes Barry Lyndon was not that bad. I saw it at a drive in. And Waterworld was also good like you say/promote. The homo-glob was not a factor back then, was off in the future.

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  135. Clyde says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    I remember Saturn 3. It's funny that Kirk Douglas, who's still with us, was the old guy in it back then.

    The Black Hole was flawed but spectacular. Same with Dune, though Lynch clearly ran out of money before finishing the space travel scenes.

    Altered States was great, with an excellent script by Chayefsky.

    The original Tron was a snooze fest, but the sequel a few years ago was excellent.

    Altered States was great……

    It got me really wound up back then. What a great movie for that era what 1983? I would laugh if I saw it today.

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    Come on, this is still great stuff.
    https://youtu.be/aLYWDYxuKSY
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  136. Karl says:
    @Anonymous
    Weinstein is from New York. He went to school in Buffalo and started his grand tour of leeching off other people's talents (and physical attributes) as a rock concert promoter while a student there.

    102 Anonymous > started his grand tour of leeching off other people’s talents (and physical attributes) as a rock concert promoter while a student there

    Here we go again, pretending that farmers made the suburbs possible. No folks, it was guys who lent money to trucking companies to BRING the food to the suburbs that made it possible.

    Promoters made music possible. Without Epstein, the Beatles would ==still== be playing strip bars in Berlin

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    Karl, we already know you're of the sort that sells dreck for gelt. You don't have to keep hammering the point.
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  137. Karl says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    China is too constrained by geography and geopolitics to ever be a global hegemon. If they knock the U.S. off its perch, or if the U.S. just collapses/retreats militarily, what comes next would be worse for China: a military alliance of its neighbors to contain it. Consider that Japan alone mopped the floor with China last century and throw in Vietnam, India, Australia, etc.

    115 Dave Pinsen > China is too constrained by geography and geopolitics to ever be a global hegemon

    i’ll mention that to all the middle-class (by their standards) Djiboutians who are currently studying cookbooks about Chinese cuisine

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    You mean the "How To Serve Man" cookbook?
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  138. Romanian says: • Website
    @Clyde
    Fire up your torrent download machine and get hold of "The Edge" 1997

    I saw it on TV once. I cannot say I was too impressed with it. Why recommend it?

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    I don't think you saw the same movie I did.
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  139. ChrisZ says:
    @syonredux

    They replaced white male Iron Man with a 15 year old black female genius who they write as a psychopath.
     
    SJW Magical thinking: we can make reality out of fantasy. Creating a fictional Black, female STEM genius will Hey!Presto! conjure a generation of actual Black, female STEM geniuses. Of course, where Tony Stark was concerned, the process went in the other direction. Fantasy was shaped by reality, as Tony Stark was simply a comic book version of actual Anglo-American inventors: Edison, Goddard, the Wright Brothers, Philo Farnsworth….

    Don’t forget Howard Hughs: the prototype for Tony Stark.

    God bless you for mentioning Robert Hutchings Goddard. A favorite from my youth.

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  140. @Anon
    vaguely Christological ambiguous allegory

    Some transhumanist types do see the rise of New Man as the new messiah or some such. Just like Christian myth says Jesus was created not by biological processes but by God, there are some transhummanies who say the New Man created by god-man's genius in a the Lab will be the Hope and Salvation. Bigger than Star Child of 2001.

    This poses a problem. This Superior Being will be smarter and stronger and healthier and better than us. But we will have been his/her creator. We are his/her gods. We made them. But he/she might look upon us like Mel Gibson looks at Linda Hunt character in YEAR OF LIVING DANGEROUS. Gimpy runt. Is it worth creating a superior being? Was it worth it for whites to invent sports games and built entire businesses... just to let more athletic blacks dominate and take over as the icons of Western Sports?

    There is something in human nature that strives for stronger, better, more powerful, etc... even at the risk of self-extinction. It's like men have risked their lives to climb the highest mountain... just to do it.

    There is a part of us that is so curious and want to go further and further. But we also want to maintain control. We want to build Hal, a computer with god-intelligence, but we want to have control over it. It's a huge contradiction. But then, men invented gods that are supposedly more powerful than men and, in a way, gained control over men in the form of myth. Men became enslaved to their own imagination.

    Christianity is esp problematic because of its contradictions. Religion is about spirituality, about truth beyond flesh and materiality. Warriors are about power of blood and land. They're about boots and steel. Warriors must win in THIS world, just like spiritualists must strive for the OTHER world. So, a symbiotic relation developed between them. Spiritualists, contemplating the higher meaning beyond physical reality, had no time to train to be warriors and killers. Warriors, being tough and hard, had little use for worship of the abstract.
    For that reason, spiritualists were defenseless unless protected by warriors. And since warriors lived a dangerous life where death is just around a corner, they wanted some kind of reassurance, and they got this from spiritualists who told them stuff like, "If you kick their butts and protect our butts, your soul will go to Valhalla and drink Mead forever." Many cultures had such arrangement. The priest class and warrior class(later to become the aristocracy) scratched each other's backs. Warriors protected the priests who, invoking the sacred, blessed the warriors. Jews had such an arrangement. King David fought well and protected the Jewish Rabbis who blessed him. And Islam is about warriors fighting the infidels and protecting the clerics who assured the warriors that 77 virgins were waiting for them in heaven.

    Christianity had this arrangement too. In a way, this was more crucial for Christianity because of its pacific nature. After all, even if the warriors fled and chickened out, rabbis and imans could theoretically pick up swords and learn to fight and bash heads. But Christianity taught its clergy to be saintly and not use violence. Turn the other cheek. So, in theory, Christian clergy aren't supposed to fight. So, they relied totally on the toughness of Christian Warriors who did the bashing of the enemy and protected the Church. But here was the problem. The theory and practice so were at odds with each other. So, even as the Christian clergy blessed the Christian Warriors for bashing the enemies and protecting the Church, there was no getting around the fact that the Christian Warriors had acted un-Christian.
    This is where Judaism and Islam differ from Christianity. When Rabbis thank and bless the Jewish warriors, there's consistency since Judaism isn't a pacificist religion. Same with Islam. Muhammad told his men to go kick butt and use the sword to convert the Infidels.
    In contrast, Jesus sermonized about turning-the-other-cheek and loving-thy-enemy and dying at their hands than fighting back like a wounded bull. So, unlike the clergy of other faiths and belief systems who sincerely thanked and blessed the warriors, Christian clergy did so with a certain trepidation. This twisted emotions are on display in THE MISSION and EL CID, a tremendous movie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU14R9hbUFc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZzCrkIf5Sc

    Christianity is damned-if-you-do; damned-if-you-don't.

    We see this is the conflict between the two women in HIGH NOON. Jurado's character represents Latin-Catholic worldview. Loyalty to kin, spouse, or lover is what matters most. The Catholic Church is sort of like that. Purity of faith matters less than fealty to tradition, institution, and clergy. She would have died for Cooper's character if he were still her man. Then, she would go to hell and back for him. But since he is no longer her man, she won't lift a finger.

    In contrast, Grace Kelly's character represents an esp purist strain of Protestantism. She's a Quaker and she won't stick by her man EVEN WHEN justice and his honor are involved. She's so devoted to Christian pacifism that she would rather reject her man for not being a Good Christian. She follows the Protestant ethics of personal individual conscience, the faith in the true teachings of Jesus unfiltered by institutional rationalizations or social necessities.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-kZ-wd6cyI

    Jurado's way may be more realistic, but it's hardly Christian in the moral sense. It's closer to Greco-Latin modes of kinship and custom. Kelly's way is more Christian but no way to survive as pacifisim and nice guys don't win against boors. These days, the Kellys of the world have transferred their puritanism to OTHER causes, like homomania or Diversinoma. Protestantism is dead as religion but alive as attitude for other causes. Mainline churches are esp breeding grounds for PC lunatics whose purism is about worshiping Negroes, homos, and Diversity.
    As for Catholicism, it too is dead. It can't make up its mind as to whether it's a religion of individual conscience or institutionalized orthodoxy. It used to be more the latter, but after Vatican II, it's gradually been turning into institutionalized frivolity. Just a fashion show. Current pope is especially ridiculous.

    https://youtu.be/XIcFNSQXj24?t=1m16s

    “Current pope is especially ridiculous.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/news/italian-prisoners-use-pope-visit-as-chance-to-escape/

    “Two prisoners who were invited to meet Pope Francis for lunch on his recent visit to Bologna took advantage of the occasion to escape, local media reports said Wednesday.

    The two men, who were being held in a rehabilitation facility for drug addicts and prisoners, were reportedly among 20 prisoners who were due to meet Francis on October 1.

    They disappeared either just before or just after the lunch and have not been seen since, according to reports that local authorities have not confirmed or denied.”

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  141. ChrisZ says:
    @Pericles
    Actually, I think profits are not really their problem. Marvel Comics should act as the R&D department for Disney and develop fun new IP that will lead to more blockbuster movies. Unfortunately, they seem to be taking the worst possible approach to this.

    (Though profits provide a measure of 'fun'.)

    It’s not likely Marvel would ever again be a credible IP developer. It’s more of an IP vault; the former House of Ideas hasn’t come up with a compelling new character since the late 1960s. That’s the era from which Marvel has mined most of its current film franchises. Wolverine and the Guardians of the Galaxy are from the mid ‘70s, so they’re the newbies.

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    It’s not likely Marvel would ever again be a credible IP developer. It’s more of an IP vault; the former House of Ideas hasn’t come up with a compelling new character since the late 1960s.
     
    When I was little I never bought a Marvel comic book. Comic books were 12 and 15 cents back then. I did buy DC comics which was Superman and Batman. I had a whole wicker basket full of comic books. My parents did not mind because this how I learned to read
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  142. D. K. says:
    @Anon
    Tyrell! Yes, the great Joe Turkel

    Made movies with Kubrick in the 50s (Paths of Glory, etc.) then MST3k dreck like Tormented! (playing a beatnik sailor blackmailer eerily like Lou Reed) then fades out. 1980, Kubrick call him up and he becomes Joe the bartender in The Shining. Couple years later, he's in Blade Runner.

    So, of course, he retires immediately. Went out at the top.

    Paths of Glory ... The Shining ... Blade Runner. Best career ever.
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  143. BB753 says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Surely the Japanese. But what about the Western countries that occupied and "divvied up" part of China not much longer than a century ago (the UK and France et al.)? Doubt that the Chinese have forgotten, and why would they?

    Moreover, China will find it embarrassingly easy to take economic or physical revenge on the UK and France and Germany for that imperialist era. The UK, France, and Germany look to be self-hating, confused, unmanly countries. They all have declining and aging native populations, pathetic militaries, and a suicidal unwillingness to prevent Arab, North African, and subcontinental Muslims from gradually taking over their lands -- the UK will be unable to mount any meaningful long-term resistance to a Chinese military attack or more likely simply a naval blockade.

    Our kids aren't learning Mandarin just so they can get a high school part-time job at some fancy hotel here on the West Coast....

    I don’t know, the Chinese don’t seem to be able to hold long grudges like other nations do. Because they’re not only smart, they’re pragmatic too.

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    No.

    Google "unequal treaties".
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  144. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    What is church doctrine on extraterrestrials?

    If earthlings were to find life on another planet OR if aliens were to arrive on earth, does the Church believe that THEY should be converted to Christianity?

    Now, what if the space aliens have a religion that is remarkably similar to Christianity, indeed alarmingly so?

    Could it that the Deity sent his ‘son’ to every planet with life so that he will be martyred and anointed as son of heaven?

    So, if the Son of God appeared in human form on earth, he woulda appeared in Octopoid form on a planet with Octopoids?

    Or, what if the alien religion is very different but very enticing? What if humans convert to it. Does it make sense for earthlings to worship a religion that formed on another planet? In a way, 2001 is about how humanity is transformed by the ‘magical’ powers of another species.

    I didn’t care for ARRIVAL but it was a stirring moment (spoiler) when the woman found out that one of the aliens is sick and dying. This is a kind of new touch. We are so focused on their OTHERNESS in these kinds of movies that we forget that they have their counterpart to the ‘human aspect’ of the story. It is on that point of shared sadness that the two species really connect on a level beyond signs and other stuff.

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    Is this worth seeing in 3D?

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  146. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Dave Pinsen
    I remember Saturn 3. It's funny that Kirk Douglas, who's still with us, was the old guy in it back then.

    The Black Hole was flawed but spectacular. Same with Dune, though Lynch clearly ran out of money before finishing the space travel scenes.

    Altered States was great, with an excellent script by Chayefsky.

    The original Tron was a snooze fest, but the sequel a few years ago was excellent.

    The Black Hole was flawed but spectacular.

    I knew a kid who raved about it when it came out. Reviews were pretty negative and I missed it.

    I saw it much later on video and it is so bad on every level.

    The original Tron was a snooze fest

    It’s like a silent movie. Very visual.

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  147. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    "And so did ROBOCOP remake that is so much better than the original."

    Surely, you must be joking. Otherwise, you have no taste in movies. That Robocop remake was awful - a narrative mess, confused, forgettable characters, the main character design was an uninspired Nolan Batman film ripoff, a poor musical score, and a lame plot with an uninteresting main villain. That remake missed all of the critical subtext of the original movie. The few new things it introduced it failed to develop properly (or they were just dumb and should have been left out in the first place).

    That remake missed all of the critical subtext of the original movie.

    Yeah, US is a fascist police state. Paul Verboten was both targeting and celebrating US as a crime-ridden society of greed where you need Corporatist Cops to keep the order.
    It was so teutonically dumb and obvious. Verboten later made the same point in same manner about the US military with STARSHIP TROOPERS. Both a mockery and revelry of the globalist imperialist fascist state.
    It’s cartoonish, and only a moron would miss the ‘subtext’.

    The remake is better on every level. It was made with finer touch. The main character is more interesting and so is his interaction with others, esp with his family. In the original, robocop is pretty much all alone. In the remake, it’s more about interaction.

    Also, the bad guys in the original are just cartoon bad guys. But in the remake, they are driven to evil out of power and greed. But we can see how they are not inherently evil and could have been different.

    And lots of neat action scenes and striking images.

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  148. Clyde says:
    @Karl
    115 Dave Pinsen > China is too constrained by geography and geopolitics to ever be a global hegemon


    i'll mention that to all the middle-class (by their standards) Djiboutians who are currently studying cookbooks about Chinese cuisine

    You mean the “How To Serve Man” cookbook?

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  149. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @syonredux
    Interesting review, Steve. Miscellaneous comments:

    Granted, Blade Runner turned out in the long run to be enormously influential. For example, it launched Hollywood’s continuing Philip K. Dick craze (Total Recall, Minority Report, The Man in the High Castle).
     
    And yet we've still not seen a faithful rendering of one of Dick's works. Frankly, Villeneuve missed an excellent opportunity for including elements from Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. After all, since this is set 20+ years after Blade Runner, it would have been quite easy to include stuff like Mercerism, the Buster Friendly Show, etc.

    It introduced retro looks to science fiction. One of Blade Runner’s breakthroughs was that people in the future wouldn’t wear silver suits with diagonal zippers, but instead would mine classic styles of the past.
     
    It is a truth universally acknowledged that the look of the '30s and the '40s was the apogee of Western Fashion (late '50s-early '60s Jet Age Modern-North By Northwest, Connery-era Bond, The Man From Uncle, etc- comes in a close second).

    Blade Runner was also one of the first (and last) sci-fi movies to feature demographic change. Los Angeles in 2019 was overwhelmed by Asian immigrants and everybody had moved back downtown into giant high-rises, two forecasts that seem right on track with two years to go.
     
    On the other hand, it completely missed-out on the Latinx tsunami......Perhaps intentionally. Some futures are just too depressing to contemplate.....

    To this day, most other sci-fi movies foresee a future America that’s majority white with African-Americans as the main minority. Idiocracy is just about the only successor to Blade Runner in suggesting that America’s dystopian future will be even less white than its present.
     
    Dunno, Steve. My recollection is that Idiocracy depicted a future America that was about as non-White as it was at the time of filming.....which still makes it an outlier, seeing as how Hollywood has been doing its best to ignore the fact that it ain't the '6os anymore.....

    Interestingly, virtually all the speaking roles in 2049 are white, although Edward James Olmos returns for a few seconds in his role as The Only Mexican in Los Angeles.

     

    And Olmos' Gaff is depicted as some kind of pan-racial hybrid, complete with Mestizo facial features, blue eyes, and "yellow Japanese skin" (to use Olmos' rather un-PC phrasing from an '80s interview). Add that to his use of Cityspeak ("That gibberish he talked was Cityspeak, gutter talk, a mishmash of Japanese, Spanish, German, what have you."), and maybe Gaff was Olmos' attempt (Gaff's look and speech were largely his creation) at giving us Vasconcelos' La Raza Cósmica ?

    On the other hand, Ford, who shows up as Deckard again in 2049’s third act, is more comfortable in his role than he was in 1982. And nobody asks him to narrate. Ford’s amateurish voice-overs that the studio executives had demanded after screening audiences complained they couldn’t understand the plot nearly wrecked the first movie.
     
    According to various stories circulating in the aether, Fords sub-par delivery was intentional. The Studio wanted narration, but Ford didn't. Ford thought that doing it badly would prevent the Studio from using it.....

    When I first saw it in 1982, I emerged with various querulous complaints that seemed increasingly petty as the years went by and its renown rose.
     
    One that bugged the 12-year old me when I watched it for the first time?If people are so worried about replicants infiltrating society, just give them blue skin. That way, people could spot them on sight. No more need for all the Voight-Kampff business.....

    And yet we’ve still not seen a faithful rendering of one of Dick’s works.

    SCANNER DARKLY is a free-wheeling adaptation but does convey Dick’s disequilibrium. It presents a warping reality, esp with fusion of live-action and animation.

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    And yet we’ve still not seen a faithful rendering of one of Dick’s works.

    SCANNER DARKLY is a free-wheeling adaptation but does convey Dick’s disequilibrium. It presents a warping reality, esp with fusion of live-action and animation.
     

    I forgot that one.I suppose that I was thinking more in terms of a live-action flick. A Scanner Darkly was pretty good, though.
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  150. Anon says: • Disclaimer
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    China is too constrained by geography and geopolitics to ever be a global hegemon. If they knock the U.S. off its perch, or if the U.S. just collapses/retreats militarily, what comes next would be worse for China: a military alliance of its neighbors to contain it. Consider that Japan alone mopped the floor with China last century and throw in Vietnam, India, Australia, etc.

    China is too constrained by geography and geopolitics to ever be a global hegemon.

    US is blessed with two oceans whereas China faces only one ocean.

    But if Chinese play it right, they can create a vast trade network across Russia, Central Asia, and Middle East all the way to Europe.

    Chinese can play it to their advantage if they do it right.

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    Right, and China's already doing that. I think it was earlier this year that cargo from China made it to Britain entirely by train for the first time.

    To clarify: I'm not saying China won't continue to be a rising economic power. I'm just saying it won't become a global hegemon. It's probably better off not becoming one anyway. U.S. naval hegemony in the Pacific has been a huge boon to China and its neighbors.
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  151. Clyde says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    China is too constrained by geography and geopolitics to ever be a global hegemon. If they knock the U.S. off its perch, or if the U.S. just collapses/retreats militarily, what comes next would be worse for China: a military alliance of its neighbors to contain it. Consider that Japan alone mopped the floor with China last century and throw in Vietnam, India, Australia, etc.

    Keep dreaming your normalcy bias dreams. China is a monster that has stolen military tech/HBomb miniaturization and non military tech from us.

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  152. Clyde says:
    @Romanian
    I saw it on TV once. I cannot say I was too impressed with it. Why recommend it?

    I don’t think you saw the same movie I did.

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  153. Clyde says:
    @ChrisZ
    It’s not likely Marvel would ever again be a credible IP developer. It’s more of an IP vault; the former House of Ideas hasn’t come up with a compelling new character since the late 1960s. That’s the era from which Marvel has mined most of its current film franchises. Wolverine and the Guardians of the Galaxy are from the mid ‘70s, so they’re the newbies.

    It’s not likely Marvel would ever again be a credible IP developer. It’s more of an IP vault; the former House of Ideas hasn’t come up with a compelling new character since the late 1960s.

    When I was little I never bought a Marvel comic book. Comic books were 12 and 15 cents back then. I did buy DC comics which was Superman and Batman. I had a whole wicker basket full of comic books. My parents did not mind because this how I learned to read

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    When I was little I never bought a Marvel comic book. Comic books were 12 and 15 cents back then. I did buy DC comics which was Superman and Batman.
     
    Back in the '60s, my uncles were the exact opposite. They were MARVEL all the way, wouldn't even look at DC stuff.

    And they saved their comics........Although they were not in the best of shape (torn covers, lots of wrinkling, etc), it meant that the 7-year old me had the opportunity to read the Ditko Spider-Man and Dr Strange, the Kirby Thor and Fantastic Four, etc.
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  154. syonredux says:

    When I was little I never bought a Marvel comic book. Comic books were 12 and 15 cents back then. I did buy DC comics which was Superman and Batman.

    Back in the ’60s, my uncles were the exact opposite. They were MARVEL all the way, wouldn’t even look at DC stuff.

    And they saved their comics……..Although they were not in the best of shape (torn covers, lots of wrinkling, etc), it meant that the 7-year old me had the opportunity to read the Ditko Spider-Man and Dr Strange, the Kirby Thor and Fantastic Four, etc.

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  155. Anon says: • Disclaimer
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    OT: Interesting interactive graphics looking at the demographics of newspaper employees and leadership (current and 2001-2017 change): http://www.thefunctionalart.com/2017/10/visualizing-gender-and-race-inequality.html
    Worth checking out for the data (popup windows give detailed breakdowns) and presentation. The agenda is less appealing. I wonder how similar graphics covering religious and/or political diversity would look...and be received.

    I wonder how similar graphics covering religious and/or political diversity would look…and be received.

    The problem with diversity is it takes center stage all the time.

    It’s like what Francois Truffaut said of color. He favored b/w. Problem with color is we notice it even when it is not significant. So, if the filmmaker wants us to know someone is holding a balloon, we also notice it is a RED balloon in a color movie. Color makes us focus less on characters and story and more on the look of the story. This is wonderful when color is a big factor of the story. MAKIOKA SISTERS or 2001 need color. But the use of color worked against French New Wave films in general since they were more about ideas, verve, and movement than about prettiness.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2007/aug/10/didcolourruinthemovies

    Same thing goes with diversity. If a movie is about people of same race, the conflicts and issues become of ideas, values, and ego. But if you add diversity, we begin to notice race. So, in THE MIST, the tension between the white guy and black guy becomes racial even if it may not have been meant as such.

    Also, people begin to root for certain characters based more on race than on integrity or values. Someone who’s not to keen on Negroes might feel like cavemen in Mel Brooks movie even if the dying Negro is a good guy.

    And in EVENT HORIZON, a pro-white viewer is more likely to cheer for the bad white guys against the good black guys. Ghastly stuff.

    Make a character a woman, and feminists see it as a statement about womanhood even when it wasn’t meant as such. Make a character a member of minority, and people see it that way and get upset when he is presented negatively. They don’t see him as a bad individual but a negative aspersion on his entire race.

    Now, if the central theme is conflict of diversity, diversity is essential. But when a story was not meant to be such, diversity can override other more important considerations. SUNSHINE is a movie where diversity didn’t intrude too much.

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  156. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Clyde

    Altered States was great......
     
    It got me really wound up back then. What a great movie for that era what 1983? I would laugh if I saw it today.

    Come on, this is still great stuff.

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    ALTERED STATES had all the elements to be a great film. I wonder what Kubrick have done with it. Russell just couldn't contain himself. He was Gilliam before Gilliam, flooding the engine with too much gas.
    , @Clyde
    I went to your you tube clip and it reminded me what a slick actor Willaim Hurt was.
    , @Anon
    William Hurt is an interesting actor, but I prefer the other Hurt, John. John Hurt has to be the most unusual major actor in past 3 decades. He got leading roles even though he's this funny looking guy with star power looks. And yet, he was a very fine actor with wide range -- he could do anything -- and utterly convincing. He took the mantle from Michael Caine as the intelligent British actor. And he could play tough guy. THE HIT is a nasty piece of work but better than any Tarantino movie except the first.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ-AYW3H6Xc

    Anyone remember ANDROID? That was painful. Like film school version of ALIEN + BLADE RUNNER.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26Ywpis2gkI

    JIGSAW MAN, though slight, was lots of fun though.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rGuG1UtUq4
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  157. Dwright says:
    @Bill

    that famous box office flop
     
    I remember when science fiction was utterly uncool and generally despised. It was so much better then. At the time, I thought it would be better if SF was popular. How stupid could I be?

    I remember when science fiction was utterly uncool and generally despised. It was so much better then. At the time, I thought it would be better if SF was popular. How stupid could I be?

    Me too. When they launched sci fi channel many years ago I had great expectations that it would fill my need for this stuff. Couldn’t be bothered to watch it soon after. Also almost anything written in the last 30 years.

    Sci-fi did indeed become less enjoyable as it was mainstreamed or maybe I just got old.

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  158. I went to see it on Monday, and I loved it (having first re-watched the original on the previous Friday evening). I thought it was very faithful to the original, and otherwise a worthy sequel. I think re-watching the original, which I hadn’t seen since the early 90s, was a smart move. Writing movie reviews is very difficult for me, so I seldom bother to try. But I think most fans of the first film, will appreciate the sequel as well.

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  159. @Daniel Chieh
    I noticed references to the CCCP in one of the ads, so this implies that the Soviet Union has survived to the future era of Blade Runner. Clearly a very different world.

    I noticed references to the CCCP in one of the ads, so this implies that the Soviet Union has survived to the future era of Blade Runner. Clearly a very different world.

    The movie never makes this clear, but it felt like the rule of the Communist Party was over, but that the USSR had remained a unified country. Just like Putin wishes had happened.*

    *I don’t say that to be anti-Putin; it’s a matter of public record that he has explicitly said as much.

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  160. @Anon
    Blade Runner 2049 is a flop because the young people want to see Braveheart 2017, instead they get disgusting fat baby boomer rats like Harvey Weinstein pawing White Christian women.

    Them gals may be gentile but they aint very Christian-like.

    The movie is a flop because it's too long and too heavy on mood and effects.
    Also, from the trailer, I get the impression that the corporate biggie this time is some yoga guru guy. Where does he find the time to do business? Tyrell in BLADE RUNNER was like a high priest... but he was also witty and nimble. You could tell he's immersed in business 24/7. Or 'commerce' as he calls it.
    It's like the Japanese guy in INCEPTION was a sort of a philosopher but also a businessman. But the guy in 2049 looks like some Zen Master or something.

    They could have taken the style and mood of the original and come up with a compelling narrative. Instead, they went LOLA MONTEZ with the material. Maybe the result isn't bad. Maybe it's even good.
    But it's not box office savvy.

    It's like Hollywood finally put its money behind Leone after the Dollars Phenom, but Leone gave them ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST, which was slow and stately. Great but not box officey

    The movie is a flop because it’s too long and too heavy on mood and effects. Also, from the trailer, I get the impression that the corporate biggie this time is some yoga guru guy…But the guy in 2049 looks like some Zen Master or something.

    1) see movie
    2) then tell us why it flopped

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    1) see movie
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    Bad idea. Movies usually fail at the box office for the very reasons I like them and fail at the box office for the very reasons I hate them.

    In my universe, 13th WARRIOR should have been a mega-hit while LOTR should have died in the first week. The world thinks differently.
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  161. syonredux says:
    @Anon
    And yet we’ve still not seen a faithful rendering of one of Dick’s works.

    SCANNER DARKLY is a free-wheeling adaptation but does convey Dick's disequilibrium. It presents a warping reality, esp with fusion of live-action and animation.

    And yet we’ve still not seen a faithful rendering of one of Dick’s works.

    SCANNER DARKLY is a free-wheeling adaptation but does convey Dick’s disequilibrium. It presents a warping reality, esp with fusion of live-action and animation.

    I forgot that one.I suppose that I was thinking more in terms of a live-action flick. A Scanner Darkly was pretty good, though.

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  162. syonredux says:
    @Clyde

    It’s not likely Marvel would ever again be a credible IP developer. It’s more of an IP vault; the former House of Ideas hasn’t come up with a compelling new character since the late 1960s.
     
    When I was little I never bought a Marvel comic book. Comic books were 12 and 15 cents back then. I did buy DC comics which was Superman and Batman. I had a whole wicker basket full of comic books. My parents did not mind because this how I learned to read

    since I hate waiting

    When I was little I never bought a Marvel comic book. Comic books were 12 and 15 cents back then. I did buy DC comics which was Superman and Batman.

    Back in the ’60s, my uncles were the exact opposite. They were MARVEL all the way, wouldn’t even look at DC stuff.

    And they saved their comics……..Although they were not in the best of shape (torn covers, lots of wrinkling, etc), it meant that the 7-year old me had the opportunity to read the Ditko Spider-Man and Dr Strange, the Kirby Thor and Fantastic Four, etc.

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  163. @Abe

    “With the shoulder pads of a Baltimore Colt” that’s such a good line. You had to smile after you wrote it.
     
    Me too, though if I may be a bit insufferable this morning, ‘shoulder pads of a Greenbay Packer’ (with its imagery of big, beefy blue collar guys whose grandfathers arrived from Bohunk-rhymia) is the only thing that could have topped it.

    I wanted an NFL team that no longer exists but did exist in the 1940s and 1980s. Baltimore Colt seemed like the best choice.

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    COLT. Full stop - that was part of the charm. PACKER would have worked as well but not quite as good. I grew up in MD so there's a bias.
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  164. @Romanian
    They needed more immigrants, failed to get them and suffered the consequences. QED.

    James Hong who played the eye designer Hannibal Chew in the 1982 Blade Runner is still alive at age 88.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hong

    My theory: people who worked on the 1982 Blade Runner had been going downtown to see X in Chinatown at Madame Wong’s, maybe went and got sushi in Little Tokyo nearby. On the way they passed the new sign on the 10 Freeway for “Koreatown.”

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  165. FPD72 says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I noticed references to the CCCP in one of the ads, so this implies that the Soviet Union has survived to the future era of Blade Runner. Clearly a very different world.

    The continued existence of Pan Am and Atari are other clues that we are dealing with an alternative history, not just a vision of the future but a rewriting of the past. Something like this is necessary in order to explain the events of the fictional 2019 in light of the present 2017.

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    Right, the new movie exists in a timeline that diverged from ours in, maybe, 1982.

    There is also some backstory in BR2049 about how all the digital data storage got wiped out at some point, so Ryan Gosling has to search for records in microfiche and hardcopy.

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  166. @FPD72
    The continued existence of Pan Am and Atari are other clues that we are dealing with an alternative history, not just a vision of the future but a rewriting of the past. Something like this is necessary in order to explain the events of the fictional 2019 in light of the present 2017.

    Right, the new movie exists in a timeline that diverged from ours in, maybe, 1982.

    There is also some backstory in BR2049 about how all the digital data storage got wiped out at some point, so Ryan Gosling has to search for records in microfiche and hardcopy.

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  167. @Anon
    Was it really one of the few to show demographic change?

    It's one of the FIRST, I think. Since then, it's become the new norm to 'diversity' everything. Consider the remake MAGGOT SEVEN.

    First STAR WARS was all-white. I think CLOSE ENCOUNTERS had just one noticeable Negro as the radar guy.
    LOGAN'S RUN was all-white. THX 1138 had one Negro but he was Harlemgram.

    ALIEN had one Negro.

    PLANET OF THE APES had diversity in chimps, gorillas, and orangutans but left out the gibbons.

    Gibbons’ lives matter!

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  168. @Anon
    No matter, the real star turns were by Hauer, Hannah, whoever was playing Eldon Tyrell, and Sean Young as Rachel.

    Young was radiant in the movie. Too bad she had a mostly depressing career afterwards. She was fun in NO WAY OUT though. An 80s classic.

    http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~ejohnson/critics/sarris.html#y1987

    The 'genius' of BLADE RUNNER was giving the androids only 4 yrs to live. That set them apart from other robots and androids. Generally, we think of humans as mortal, robots and androids as immortal: just change the batteries and they're like the energizer bunny.
    I think the Terminator batteries can go for 200 yrs. David in A.I. can last forever. He just needs to be recharged once in a while. That's his curse. He can't die and outlives everyone he comes to care for, esp someone he's imprinted on. Because robots are so immortal, they can only be destroyed, like at the Flesh Fair. And even if they can 'live' forever, new models arrive and the old ones are no longer necessary. So, they are tossed out like home appliances. Problem is these robo-appliances have consciousness. Presumably, they all have on/off switches, but some just run away once they realize they are to be deactivated. Or their owners, unable to terminate them, just let them loose... like David was let loose by his 'mommy'.

    In contrast to such durable robots and androids, replicants have 4 yr lifespans. It'd be no problem if they just had minimal consciousness to do simple work. But Tyrell being Tyrell projected his genius onto them. He made them more human than human.

    With Tyrell, the replicant threat is life-or-death. They might be coming after him to torture and kill him, esp if he's unable to cure their 'cancer' or HIV-infection.

    With Deckard, the replicant threat is love. He might be falling in love with one of them. Double trouble. (1) He is supposed to kill her. (2) Even if he spares her and they run away together, she won't live too long, and it will be like LOVE STORY where Oliver will be all alone. It's like being with someone stricken with deadly disease.

    It's like each replicant has a kind of inbuilt cyber-cancer. Apparently, from the agonies of Batty, it's like a progressive disease. It's not like the android will just tune off suddenly. Rather, there is a process of sickness and decay before the android finally stops functioning. It really dies than just signing off.

    For the love of God, it’s “rather than.” The correct phrase in these comparative contexts is “rather than,” not merely “than.”

    Please stop writing like an unfrozen caveman or a Malaysian graduate student in the department of mathematics.

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    For the love of God, it’s “rather than.”

    You sure it's not Dan Rather?

    unfrozen caveman

    Grammar doesn't matter as long as we win bigly.
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  169. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Autochthon
    For the love of God, it’s “rather than.” The correct phrase in these comparative contexts is “rather than,” not merely “than.”

    Please stop writing like an unfrozen caveman or a Malaysian graduate student in the department of mathematics.

    For the love of God, it’s “rather than.”

    You sure it’s not Dan Rather?

    unfrozen caveman

    Grammar doesn’t matter as long as we win bigly.

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    Grammar doesn’t matter as long as we win bigly.
     
    I think that may be the worst catchphrase Scott Adams ever created.

    Daily vlogging is driving him to madness.
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  170. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    The movie is a flop because it's too long and too heavy on mood and effects. Also, from the trailer, I get the impression that the corporate biggie this time is some yoga guru guy...But the guy in 2049 looks like some Zen Master or something.
     
    1) see movie
    2) then tell us why it flopped

    1) see movie
    2) then tell us why it flopped

    Bad idea. Movies usually fail at the box office for the very reasons I like them and fail at the box office for the very reasons I hate them.

    In my universe, 13th WARRIOR should have been a mega-hit while LOTR should have died in the first week. The world thinks differently.

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  171. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Dave Pinsen
    Come on, this is still great stuff.
    https://youtu.be/aLYWDYxuKSY

    ALTERED STATES had all the elements to be a great film. I wonder what Kubrick have done with it. Russell just couldn’t contain himself. He was Gilliam before Gilliam, flooding the engine with too much gas.

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  172. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anon
    China is too constrained by geography and geopolitics to ever be a global hegemon.

    US is blessed with two oceans whereas China faces only one ocean.

    But if Chinese play it right, they can create a vast trade network across Russia, Central Asia, and Middle East all the way to Europe.

    Chinese can play it to their advantage if they do it right.

    Right, and China’s already doing that. I think it was earlier this year that cargo from China made it to Britain entirely by train for the first time.

    To clarify: I’m not saying China won’t continue to be a rising economic power. I’m just saying it won’t become a global hegemon. It’s probably better off not becoming one anyway. U.S. naval hegemony in the Pacific has been a huge boon to China and its neighbors.

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    I think the Chinese government has pretty clearly stated that they have no intention to be a global hegemon, as well. Its too expensive.

    They would prefer if no one else was the global hegemon, also.
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  173. @Dave Pinsen
    Right, and China's already doing that. I think it was earlier this year that cargo from China made it to Britain entirely by train for the first time.

    To clarify: I'm not saying China won't continue to be a rising economic power. I'm just saying it won't become a global hegemon. It's probably better off not becoming one anyway. U.S. naval hegemony in the Pacific has been a huge boon to China and its neighbors.

    I think the Chinese government has pretty clearly stated that they have no intention to be a global hegemon, as well. Its too expensive.

    They would prefer if no one else was the global hegemon, also.

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    I think the Chinese government has pretty clearly stated that they have no intention to be a global hegemon, as well. Its too expensive.

    They would prefer if no one else was the global hegemon, also.
     
    Hmmm. You must be new to Africa.

    Why not go take a look around, and think about what you just said.
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  174. TK421 says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Yeah, "Demolition Man" predicted Dennis Rodman's hairdo almost exactly.

    Seriously, Demolition Man is pretty great.

    Aren’t nearly all movies projected digitally these days? If a movie is a hit, the theater doesn’t need to wait for actual film reels to arrive to show it on more screens.

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    Right.

    Even before digital, the theaters had usually worked out clever plans for showing one print of a film in several auditoriums at once with projectionists moving reels around.

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  175. @TK421
    Aren't nearly all movies projected digitally these days? If a movie is a hit, the theater doesn't need to wait for actual film reels to arrive to show it on more screens.

    Right.

    Even before digital, the theaters had usually worked out clever plans for showing one print of a film in several auditoriums at once with projectionists moving reels around.

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  176. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    “The remake is better on every level. It was made with finer touch.”

    Only someone with absolutely no taste in movies would call that schlock better. It was poorly structured; a mile wide and an inch deep. The Robocop remake was a movie that pretended to be deep, but was nothing of the sort. It’s the kind of movie that appeals to people who want to sound profound but actually aren’t.

    Fine touch? It was incredibly obvious and not well done.

    The characters were lame, the story was boring (rehashed from better movies), and the plot was a mess – not compelling in any way. The main antagonist wasn’t much of an antagonist. The secondary antagonist was a throwaway character who was killed in a botched action scene that failed to build anticipation, Jackson was completely miscast in this movie and his entire character was forced/poorly conceived and should have been excised, the score was garbage, the design for Robocop was a rip off of Nolan’s batman, it plodded along with poor pacing, introduced several ridiculous concepts that were never fully developed, the casting was uninspired, and on and on.

    “Paul Verboten.”

    Verhoeven.

    “Verboten later made the same point in same manner about the US military with STARSHIP TROOPERS.”

    1. Which has absolutely no bearing on this film.
    2. Could easily apply to that crap Robocop remake seeing as though everything it tried and fail at was done first and better by others.

    “Both a mockery and revelry of the globalist imperialist fascist state.
    It’s cartoonish, and only a moron would miss the ‘subtext’.”

    I get it now. I’m arguing with Alex Jones. To clarify, Starship Troopers was in no way a revelry of fascism; it was intended as a mockery. The “fascism revelry” thing was a criticism made by reactionary leftist ideologues of the 90s who lacked any semblance of critical reasoning.

    “The main character is more interesting and so is his interaction with others, esp with his family.”

    …which completely removed the tension of the film and most of the character development for the main protagonist. You’re like the blind guy at the museum trying to convince everyone that he really is a good judge of art by repeating, without understanding, the judgments of others.

    “In the original, robocop is pretty much all alone.”

    Which made the narrative better as it allowed for an actual character arc.

    “In the remake, it’s more about interaction.”

    The interaction was superficial and lame. Nobody walked out of the theater remembering anything about it other than how bad it was.

    “Also, the bad guys in the original are just cartoon bad guys.”

    The bad guys in the original film were unique, entertaining, and they fit the violent theme of the movie quite well. Their violent excess contributes to the audience’s sympathy with the main protagonist and accentuates the dire situation Detroit police find themselves in. It’s called a foil – basic screenwriting 101. And VERHOEVEN used it quite well.

    In the remake, the bad guys are lame nobodies who are completely forgotten once disposed of.

    “But in the remake, they are driven to evil out of power and greed.”

    In the remake, they are generic throw aways who lack any uniqueness. Writing “generic bad guy motivated by power and greed” on a page doesn’t make for an entertaining film (or even a realistic one).

    “But we can see how they are not inherently evil and could have been different.”

    They were generic bad guys. You’re inserting things that aren’t there.

    “And lots of neat action scenes and striking images.”

    The action scenes were lame and failed to make any emotional connection with the audience. The CGI was uninspired and is already dated a few years later.

    Is it just me or has Hollywood made crap movies for so long that younger people can’t even remember seeing a good one, so they end up defending trash thinking that it’s good?

    “In my universe, 13th WARRIOR should have been a mega-hit while LOTR should have died in the first week. The world thinks differently.”

    Never mind. Question answered.

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    Only someone with absolutely no taste in movies would call that schlock better.

    Only a total dammy with no sense and no taste would be oblivious to the obvious superiority of the remake.

    It was poorly structured; a mile wide and an inch deep. The Robocop remake was a movie that pretended to be deep, but was nothing of the sort. It’s the kind of movie that appeals to people who want to sound profound but actually aren’t.

    It cruises like a sleek machine. Only a handful of blockbuster movies were so fine-tuned and well-engineered. ANT-MAN and TOMORROWLAND are among them. If you want poorly structured movie, try the new DREDD, which I mostly FF through. It's about as fun as having concrete blocks dropped on your head, though, to be sure, it tries to be edgier and purer in dark vision than the cartoonish Stallone version that resembles the original ROBOCOP.

    And no, it's not profound. It works as Pop Satire. It's an action movie with just enough food-and-mood-for-thought to spice things up a bit. The film-maker is Brazilian and familiar with police work and real crime. He made two pretty good movies about law enforcement in Brazil, and he took some of that expertise and deftly blended them with action formula. Risky since details of real crime and demands of escapist entertainment are miles apart. The director, like a good cook, knew which ingredients to mix in what amount and order. It gives what the audience wants but with just enough dark material to trigger and disturb their responses. One thing for sure, it doesn't revel in blood and gore like the original... which makes a joke of some guy getting shot in the balls and another guy melting after an acid bath. Much of the brutality in the first one was done for laughs. Now, I'm sure the hipsters will say Verboten was baiting the American audience, giving them dumb stuff to laugh like retards like in IDIOCRACY. Feeding slops to the pigs. This way, maybe Verboten could say he only pretended to 'sell out' to subversively mock the dumb Americans. But that's so much crap.
    The thing is Verboten can be a formidable film-maker. He made SOLDIER OF ORANGE and later THE BLACK BOOK. Also, like the Brazilian director of the remake, he is no ignoramus about violence and terror. There are many harrowing scenes in THE BLACK BOOK. But he just played comic-book dumb with ROBOCOP and STARSHIT POOPERS.

    Fine touch? It was incredibly obvious and not well done.

    Your damminess is so obvious and overdone. Your idea of 'fine touch' is the hamfisted teutonism of Verboten at his worst. Watch his better movies instead.

    To clarify, Starship Troopers was in no way a revelry of fascism; it was intended as a mockery.

    Celebration or mockery, it was a dumb dumb dumb movie. It was like BEVERLY HILLS 92100 crossed with BATTLESHIP GALACTICA or BUCK ROGERS. Anyone who likes it straight is an idiot. Anyone who claims to 'get' its subtext is a fool. It's junk.

    The bad guys in the original film were unique, entertaining, and they fit the violent theme of the movie quite well.

    They were run-of-the-mill corporate baddies.
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  177. Twinkie says:
    @Paul Jolliffe
    Yep. Concern was rampant - note that this movie starred the equally-famous Sean Connery:

    https://youtu.be/a8zH5vjXGTA

    So funny – there were cigarettes – cigarettes! – on the conference desk!

    I remember that film fondly… along with the late 80′s “Black Rain” in which a Japanese mobster boasts about the Japanese making everything perfect, including plates for counterfeit dollars.

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  178. Twinkie says:
    @Autochthon
    With everyone who isn’t (Han) Chinese; the Chinese have a spectacular superiority complex. They are like Muslim Arabs, but smarter.

    the Chinese have a spectacular superiority complex.

    More like a spectacular inferiority complex. Just like it’s always the Shoah with the Jews, it’s always the Opium Wars with the Chinese.

    I am only half-serious, of course. It’s the kind of thing half-intelligent people say at second-tier cocktail parties to sound knowledgeable.

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    the Chinese have a spectacular superiority complex.

    More like a spectacular inferiority complex. Just like it’s always the Shoah with the Jews, it’s always the Opium Wars with the Chinese.

    Didn't Chua and Rubenfeld in TRIPLE SOMETHING argue that over-achieving communities have both superiority complex and inferiority complex, and they feed each other. So, Jews and Chinese think of themselves as special... but find themselves in inferior position vis-a-vis others in certain contexts, and so, they try to over-compensate to overcome their inferiority and become superior to validate their original conceits.
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  179. Twinkie says:
    @snorlax
    IIRC it was a joint Japanese-Chinese colony, which made it quite a bit more prescient than most of the "Japan takes over the world" genre.

    joint Japanese-Chinese colony, which made it quite a bit more prescient

    That sounds like someone who knows nothing about Japanese-Chinese history.

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  180. @Desiderius
    Holding my twelve-week-old son here, it does seem that this is the kernel of our present troubles.

    Congratulations, and God bless you, your son, and all your family.

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  181. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    “Is it just me or has Hollywood made crap movies for so long that younger people can’t even remember seeing a good one, so they end up defending trash thinking that it’s good?”

    Hollywood has made trash movies for so long that younger people have no basis for comparison, so they end up rationalizing the flaws of modern movies away.

    Take the endless “XYZ Ending Explained” videos on Youtube. Occam’s razor suggests that if you have to explain the ending of your movie, then likely it was just poorly written. However, after having seen so many terrible movies, kids now rationalize this as “it wasn’t poorly written, there’s some deeper meaning that only smart people can understand and I need someone to explain it to me.” More likely, it was just trash.

    The secret hidden message ending may be true in rare cases from competent directors and writers, but I have found that it is very often no longer true of big budget movies – especially sci-fi.

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  182. FPD72 says:

    I’ve seen very little discussion of the biblical or Christian themes. Here are some I picked up on:

    1. Wallace’s citing of Genesis 30 concerning God remembering Rachel and giving her a baby after years of a barren womb.
    2. The possible naming of the male child Jo; Joseph was the first child born to Rachel in Genesis.
    3. Jo told by his digital girlfriend that he is special because he “was born, not made,” similar to the Nicene Creed’s description of Christ as “begotten, not made.”
    4. The whole plot of the movie revolving around the attempt of the political powers to destroy the miracle child, just as Herod tried to kill the infant Christ.
    5. In his death, Jo brings Decker and his daughter together. Could the wound in his side be any more obvious? Remember Hauer’s nail in the hand, deliverance of Decker, and accompanied by a dove in his last dive? Richard Griener’s review of BR made note of the Christian imagery in this scene.

    What are we to make of Decker’s insistence that the girl was the only baby of the miraculous birth? That Jo was wrong about his origins and was a mere replicant, made not born? With all of the false clues, is the screenwriter implying that Jesus was only a man, nothing more, and mistaken in his self-understanding as the Son of God, the Messiah of Israel?

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    Yeah, the overt Christ-figure stuff in the original (e.g., Batty's nail in the palm and the white dove flying up to the blue sky when he dies) kind of came out of the blue toward the end. There's more New Testament stuff in BR2049.
    , @Anon
    I’ve seen very little discussion of the biblical or Christian themes. Here are some I picked up on

    Is this supposed to be a positive use of Christian symbolism or satirical commentary on how man's hubris perverts spirituality into creation of false gods? After all, Satan mimics and parodies everything God does.

    THE OMEN is a christ-tale of sorts except as antichrist.

    And there's christo-imagery in ALIEN RESURRECTION as well.

    PS. I generally don't like Christian imagery in movies like this. It's a trite and easy route to meaning and profundity... like Rock groups that use classical musical motifs and instrumentation as shortcut to respectability and 'art'.

    Similarly, why did the new ALIEN movie have to be named PROMETHEUS? It was just pompous.
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  183. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Escher
    The 80s had a few movies showing this dystopian future, one being the unforgettable ‘Robocop 2’ that I enjoyed for a few minutes last night.

    The 80s had a few movies showing this dystopian future, one being the unforgettable ‘Robocop 2’ that I enjoyed for a few minutes last night.

    There was this impression, at least within the cinephile community, that the 80s were a bad time for movies. The Film Generation has vanished. Videos were killing revival houses. European cinema had imploded, and Japanese had vanished in late 60s. The great auteurs of the 70s had petered out. Lucas and Spielberg turned Hollywood in blockbustopia. Dumb genres like slasher movies and ‘horny teenager movies’ — Roger Ebert’s coinage — ruled the screens.

    But the 80s weren’t that bad and had its share of good and great films.

    And some of the most remarkable movies of the 80s were dismissed at the time. I personally heard of MIRACLE MILE only few yrs ago. On some level, a typical 80s yuppie fantasy… but there’s something there.

    And movies like that provoke a question about genres. What exactly are the perimeters of sci-fi? MIRACLE MILE isn’t sci-fi in the sense of futuristic setting or advanced technology. And yet, the big event — World War III and nuclear holocaust — make it seem far-out and beyond reality. Also, the story is framed within contemplation of time, eons of it, and humanity’s place in the grand design or accident. It has that element of 2001 as it begins in a museum of fossils of extinct animals. And as humans are sure to go extinct in the nuclear war, it makes us wonder how they will be remembered a million or billion yrs from now. It’s very much like a Twilight Zone episode. But then, was Twilight Zone sci-fi? Some might categorize it as horror or suspense or etc. Of course, Twilight Zone the TV series was special in defying these genre categories. It interwove various genres to create a sense of unreality. But it was also very grimly realistic too, and this blend of unreality and reality is what made it so unnerving, a kind of pop-Kafka. And this raises a question. How should we categorize a film like GROUNDHOG DAY, which is Twilight-Zonesy. It’s too dark to be fantasy. It’s too twisted to be merely comedy. It’s too warped and strange to be drama. It’s not exactly sci-fi because we are unaware of the hidden forces that are manipulating the time to drive Murray nuts. And yet, it does raise philosophical questions that one would find in Sci-fi. It plays with time. It’s like Bill Murray is a mouse in a crazy scientist’s experiment. Or is it god? In Truman Show, the TV producer plays god as he toys with Truman who is trapped in his artificial reality, the only one he knows. Or, are the real prisoners the TV audiences glued to the show.
    Among Charlie Kaufman movies, ETERNAL SUNSHINE could qualify as sci-fi because there is actually technology that wipes memory. But all of his films are similarly twisted, loopy, and surreal. And in the end,what makes ETERNAL SUNSHINE special isn’t the science but the philosophical questions about memory, love, pain, and etc. BEING JOHN MALKOVICH isn’t technically sci-fi but it has the strangeness of many sci-fi films, like those of Cronenberg. Philoso-Fi? Why-Fi in asking the big WHY question about being and time?

    Sci-fi films raise certain philosophical questions by introducing some technology that can probe into reality and consciousness or alter them in some strange way. But this crisis can be realized without any ‘scientific’ explanation. In some films, something strange just happens without elaboration. We have to accept it on faith but without divine assurance. After all, why are people going nuts in THE HAPPENING? Yet, it’d be misleading to categorize such films as occult or horror because the emphasis is less on the abhorrent power than its impact on daily routine that forces characters to reevaluate everything and readjust their lives.

    DONNIE DARKO, though not my fav, is that kind of strange movie. Its director also made THE BOX, not very successful but thought-provoking. It offers no explanation as to the origin of the box, but it’s like a cosmic mind-game that raises moral questions.

    PREMONITION isn’t much and might be categorized as horror, but it has no ghosts or monsters. A simple trick of time turns the woman’s life upside down and back-forward. It’s not technically sci-fi but teases the kinds of questions often found in sci-fi.

    The question of time is there in sci-fi films like LOOPER and 2001. In LOOPER, the young guy meets the older version of himself or vice versa which is and isn’t the same thing as the perspectives are so different even though they’ve met in the same place and time. In 2001′s final scene, Bowman is able to see himself in the future. He sees his older selves, even himself on the deathbed. But a film like THE GRADUATE, though not sci-fi, also makes us acutely sensitive to time and what we might become in the future. After all, Ben is trying to run away from a future where he will be just like his parents and Mr. and Mrs. Robinson, but he’s headed there just the same. He can’t escape. The montage in THE GRADUATE is like the deathbed scene in 2001, a sense of lack of agency, a feeling that one is carried along by forces beyond one’s will. He can no more escape his fate than the tragic hero of LA JETEE. In the end, the freedom bus is like a hearse carrying his body away.

    Now, why is there this Looper effect in all these movies?

    Take TRON LEGACY, STAR WARS FORCE AWAKENS, INDIANA JONES AND CRYSTAL SKULL, 2049, and of course LOOPER.

    What stands out about all of them? It’s a father-son dynamic.

    In INDIANA JONES, Indy meets his real son. Same in TRON LEGACY. But something similar happens in LOOPER. Though Willis is the older version of Levitt, he is like a father to his younger self. And even though STAR WARS has new stars, they are overshadowed by Ford and Fisher and at the end we see Hamill. 2049 has Gosling playing goosling to big goose Ford. It’s the older fellers must come out of retirement to helicopter-parent the younger ones.

    Did Hollywood fail to come up with new great ideas? The last great ones were from the 80s with TRON, BLADE RUNNER, INDIANA JONES, etc? Out of fresh ideas, Hollywood harks back to the past and does remakes or sequels. Also, since the new stars are relatively lackluster(for whatever reason in this era of Harry Potter), the young ones end up playing sidekick to old stars. People like Jeff Bridges and Ford are too old to play lead, but they had bigness that Gosling and others of his generation lack. Movies need young fresh faces, but ones today don’t have enough gravitas. This may account for the lack of a center in a film like TRON LEGACY, and it makes it more interesting in some ways. Bridges is more memorable but too old to play lead. The young guy has all the moves but lacks the big personality of past stars. He looks like a perpetual teenager, which was Tom Cruises’ bread and butter forever.

    This is rather strange.

    When John Wayne made movies to the end, he was always the center. TRUE GRIT introduced some young ones, but Wayne held the center, and young ones played second fiddle.
    But box office today is so geared toward the young so that it’s rare that a big-budget movie will have a old guy as main character. But young actors today are so lacking in star power that they can’t command the center either, and they do much better to play off the older character. Paul Newman, Robert Redford, and Steven McQueen didn’t have this problem in their day. Well, I suppose there’s Daniel Craig but I never cared for 007.

    Well, at least the dreadful trend of making movies out of old TV shows is over. LONE RANGER was the final nail in the coffin. STAR TREK doesn’t count as it’s some cult mania.

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  184. @FPD72
    I’ve seen very little discussion of the biblical or Christian themes. Here are some I picked up on:

    1. Wallace’s citing of Genesis 30 concerning God remembering Rachel and giving her a baby after years of a barren womb.
    2. The possible naming of the male child Jo; Joseph was the first child born to Rachel in Genesis.
    3. Jo told by his digital girlfriend that he is special because he “was born, not made,” similar to the Nicene Creed’s description of Christ as “begotten, not made.”
    4. The whole plot of the movie revolving around the attempt of the political powers to destroy the miracle child, just as Herod tried to kill the infant Christ.
    5. In his death, Jo brings Decker and his daughter together. Could the wound in his side be any more obvious? Remember Hauer’s nail in the hand, deliverance of Decker, and accompanied by a dove in his last dive? Richard Griener’s review of BR made note of the Christian imagery in this scene.

    What are we to make of Decker’s insistence that the girl was the only baby of the miraculous birth? That Jo was wrong about his origins and was a mere replicant, made not born? With all of the false clues, is the screenwriter implying that Jesus was only a man, nothing more, and mistaken in his self-understanding as the Son of God, the Messiah of Israel?

    Yeah, the overt Christ-figure stuff in the original (e.g., Batty’s nail in the palm and the white dove flying up to the blue sky when he dies) kind of came out of the blue toward the end. There’s more New Testament stuff in BR2049.

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  185. @Daniel Chieh
    I think the Chinese government has pretty clearly stated that they have no intention to be a global hegemon, as well. Its too expensive.

    They would prefer if no one else was the global hegemon, also.

    I think the Chinese government has pretty clearly stated that they have no intention to be a global hegemon, as well. Its too expensive.

    They would prefer if no one else was the global hegemon, also.

    Hmmm. You must be new to Africa.

    Why not go take a look around, and think about what you just said.

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    Business partnership != drone-assisted dominance.
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  186. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    For the love of God, it’s “rather than.”

    You sure it's not Dan Rather?

    unfrozen caveman

    Grammar doesn't matter as long as we win bigly.

    Grammar doesn’t matter as long as we win bigly.

    I think that may be the worst catchphrase Scott Adams ever created.

    Daily vlogging is driving him to madness.

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  187. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @FPD72
    I’ve seen very little discussion of the biblical or Christian themes. Here are some I picked up on:

    1. Wallace’s citing of Genesis 30 concerning God remembering Rachel and giving her a baby after years of a barren womb.
    2. The possible naming of the male child Jo; Joseph was the first child born to Rachel in Genesis.
    3. Jo told by his digital girlfriend that he is special because he “was born, not made,” similar to the Nicene Creed’s description of Christ as “begotten, not made.”
    4. The whole plot of the movie revolving around the attempt of the political powers to destroy the miracle child, just as Herod tried to kill the infant Christ.
    5. In his death, Jo brings Decker and his daughter together. Could the wound in his side be any more obvious? Remember Hauer’s nail in the hand, deliverance of Decker, and accompanied by a dove in his last dive? Richard Griener’s review of BR made note of the Christian imagery in this scene.

    What are we to make of Decker’s insistence that the girl was the only baby of the miraculous birth? That Jo was wrong about his origins and was a mere replicant, made not born? With all of the false clues, is the screenwriter implying that Jesus was only a man, nothing more, and mistaken in his self-understanding as the Son of God, the Messiah of Israel?

    I’ve seen very little discussion of the biblical or Christian themes. Here are some I picked up on

    Is this supposed to be a positive use of Christian symbolism or satirical commentary on how man’s hubris perverts spirituality into creation of false gods? After all, Satan mimics and parodies everything God does.

    THE OMEN is a christ-tale of sorts except as antichrist.

    And there’s christo-imagery in ALIEN RESURRECTION as well.

    PS. I generally don’t like Christian imagery in movies like this. It’s a trite and easy route to meaning and profundity… like Rock groups that use classical musical motifs and instrumentation as shortcut to respectability and ‘art’.

    Similarly, why did the new ALIEN movie have to be named PROMETHEUS? It was just pompous.

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  188. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Twinkie

    the Chinese have a spectacular superiority complex.
     
    More like a spectacular inferiority complex. Just like it's always the Shoah with the Jews, it's always the Opium Wars with the Chinese.

    I am only half-serious, of course. It's the kind of thing half-intelligent people say at second-tier cocktail parties to sound knowledgeable.

    the Chinese have a spectacular superiority complex.

    More like a spectacular inferiority complex. Just like it’s always the Shoah with the Jews, it’s always the Opium Wars with the Chinese.

    Didn’t Chua and Rubenfeld in TRIPLE SOMETHING argue that over-achieving communities have both superiority complex and inferiority complex, and they feed each other. So, Jews and Chinese think of themselves as special… but find themselves in inferior position vis-a-vis others in certain contexts, and so, they try to over-compensate to overcome their inferiority and become superior to validate their original conceits.

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  189. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    “The remake is better on every level. It was made with finer touch.”

    Only someone with absolutely no taste in movies would call that schlock better. It was poorly structured; a mile wide and an inch deep. The Robocop remake was a movie that pretended to be deep, but was nothing of the sort. It’s the kind of movie that appeals to people who want to sound profound but actually aren’t.

    Fine touch? It was incredibly obvious and not well done.

    The characters were lame, the story was boring (rehashed from better movies), and the plot was a mess – not compelling in any way. The main antagonist wasn’t much of an antagonist. The secondary antagonist was a throwaway character who was killed in a botched action scene that failed to build anticipation, Jackson was completely miscast in this movie and his entire character was forced/poorly conceived and should have been excised, the score was garbage, the design for Robocop was a rip off of Nolan’s batman, it plodded along with poor pacing, introduced several ridiculous concepts that were never fully developed, the casting was uninspired, and on and on.

    “Paul Verboten.”

    Verhoeven.

    “Verboten later made the same point in same manner about the US military with STARSHIP TROOPERS.”

    1. Which has absolutely no bearing on this film.
    2. Could easily apply to that crap Robocop remake seeing as though everything it tried and fail at was done first and better by others.

    “Both a mockery and revelry of the globalist imperialist fascist state.
    It’s cartoonish, and only a moron would miss the ‘subtext’.”

    I get it now. I’m arguing with Alex Jones. To clarify, Starship Troopers was in no way a revelry of fascism; it was intended as a mockery. The “fascism revelry” thing was a criticism made by reactionary leftist ideologues of the 90s who lacked any semblance of critical reasoning.

    “The main character is more interesting and so is his interaction with others, esp with his family.”

    …which completely removed the tension of the film and most of the character development for the main protagonist. You’re like the blind guy at the museum trying to convince everyone that he really is a good judge of art by repeating, without understanding, the judgments of others.

    “In the original, robocop is pretty much all alone.”

    Which made the narrative better as it allowed for an actual character arc.

    “In the remake, it’s more about interaction.”

    The interaction was superficial and lame. Nobody walked out of the theater remembering anything about it other than how bad it was.

    “Also, the bad guys in the original are just cartoon bad guys.”

    The bad guys in the original film were unique, entertaining, and they fit the violent theme of the movie quite well. Their violent excess contributes to the audience’s sympathy with the main protagonist and accentuates the dire situation Detroit police find themselves in. It’s called a foil - basic screenwriting 101. And VERHOEVEN used it quite well.

    In the remake, the bad guys are lame nobodies who are completely forgotten once disposed of.

    “But in the remake, they are driven to evil out of power and greed.”

    In the remake, they are generic throw aways who lack any uniqueness. Writing “generic bad guy motivated by power and greed” on a page doesn’t make for an entertaining film (or even a realistic one).

    “But we can see how they are not inherently evil and could have been different.”

    They were generic bad guys. You're inserting things that aren't there.

    “And lots of neat action scenes and striking images.”

    The action scenes were lame and failed to make any emotional connection with the audience. The CGI was uninspired and is already dated a few years later.

    Is it just me or has Hollywood made crap movies for so long that younger people can’t even remember seeing a good one, so they end up defending trash thinking that it’s good?

    "In my universe, 13th WARRIOR should have been a mega-hit while LOTR should have died in the first week. The world thinks differently."

    Never mind. Question answered.

    Only someone with absolutely no taste in movies would call that schlock better.

    Only a total dammy with no sense and no taste would be oblivious to the obvious superiority of the remake.

    It was poorly structured; a mile wide and an inch deep. The Robocop remake was a movie that pretended to be deep, but was nothing of the sort. It’s the kind of movie that appeals to people who want to sound profound but actually aren’t.

    It cruises like a sleek machine. Only a handful of blockbuster movies were so fine-tuned and well-engineered. ANT-MAN and TOMORROWLAND are among them. If you want poorly structured movie, try the new DREDD, which I mostly FF through. It’s about as fun as having concrete blocks dropped on your head, though, to be sure, it tries to be edgier and purer in dark vision than the cartoonish Stallone version that resembles the original ROBOCOP.

    And no, it’s not profound. It works as Pop Satire. It’s an action movie with just enough food-and-mood-for-thought to spice things up a bit. The film-maker is Brazilian and familiar with police work and real crime. He made two pretty good movies about law enforcement in Brazil, and he took some of that expertise and deftly blended them with action formula. Risky since details of real crime and demands of escapist entertainment are miles apart. The director, like a good cook, knew which ingredients to mix in what amount and order. It gives what the audience wants but with just enough dark material to trigger and disturb their responses. One thing for sure, it doesn’t revel in blood and gore like the original… which makes a joke of some guy getting shot in the balls and another guy melting after an acid bath. Much of the brutality in the first one was done for laughs. Now, I’m sure the hipsters will say Verboten was baiting the American audience, giving them dumb stuff to laugh like retards like in IDIOCRACY. Feeding slops to the pigs. This way, maybe Verboten could say he only pretended to ‘sell out’ to subversively mock the dumb Americans. But that’s so much crap.
    The thing is Verboten can be a formidable film-maker. He made SOLDIER OF ORANGE and later THE BLACK BOOK. Also, like the Brazilian director of the remake, he is no ignoramus about violence and terror. There are many harrowing scenes in THE BLACK BOOK. But he just played comic-book dumb with ROBOCOP and STARSHIT POOPERS.

    Fine touch? It was incredibly obvious and not well done.

    Your damminess is so obvious and overdone. Your idea of ‘fine touch’ is the hamfisted teutonism of Verboten at his worst. Watch his better movies instead.

    To clarify, Starship Troopers was in no way a revelry of fascism; it was intended as a mockery.

    Celebration or mockery, it was a dumb dumb dumb movie. It was like BEVERLY HILLS 92100 crossed with BATTLESHIP GALACTICA or BUCK ROGERS. Anyone who likes it straight is an idiot. Anyone who claims to ‘get’ its subtext is a fool. It’s junk.

    The bad guys in the original film were unique, entertaining, and they fit the violent theme of the movie quite well.

    They were run-of-the-mill corporate baddies.

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    Anon Priss Factor [AKA "pizza with hot pepper"], you used to spell Verhoeven correctly, but your love for the dire remake of RoboCop hasn't changed.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/how-to-fix-the-movies/#comment-686138

    , @Che Guava
    All that you are saying is precisely why Starship Troopers was such a great film.

    The blending in of USA 90210 soap-style with the recruits, before their signing up, the flow of that throughout, the designs of the uniforms, it was a great film.

    Haven't watched it for some time, but last time I was (two or three years ago), Dizzy's death scene is still making me cry.

    Verhoeven was one of the greats of SF movies, no possibility of a Robocop (and a big probability that some working for him were influenced by Judge Dredd comics from the UK), but his movie was to accurately predicting the way many police in many places would dress in later years.

    Excepting that the protagonist in We can Remember it for You Wholesale is an eyeryman character, which Schwarzenegger cannot depict, for obvious reasons, it is one of the very few (four or five) adaptations of Phil K. Dick to be at all faithful, so am still to liking it.

    Those three were so great, I am wishing that Verhoeven would making another SF film. Maybe a quiet one.

    BTW, you are using all caps much too much.
    , @Che Guava
    Why do you having to post as 'Anon'? Do not wanting cross-correlation with what you are saying with your registered ID?

    So many in this thread, many others recently, I am suggesting to regular posters with, as site policy, fixed u-names, to completely ostracize all Anon posters unless they are saying something that may truly endangering them.

    Sincere on it. Will be applying it myself from now.
    , @Tyrion
    You're the worst troll on this site. Amazing really!

    Your whole string of comments...

    I can't even...

    Lol

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  190. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Clyde
    The Fifth Element was what made Milla Jovovich into a sci-fi fan doll. Propelling her to where she has made millions off the Resident Evil franchise. More power to her, she is delicious. Also the first time I saw clown Chris Tucker who makes me laugh, unlike most of today's alleged comics.

    The Fifth Element was what made Milla Jovovich into a sci-fi fan doll.

    Charlie Kaufman should do BEING MILLA JOVOVICH.

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  191. Clyde says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Come on, this is still great stuff.
    https://youtu.be/aLYWDYxuKSY

    I went to your you tube clip and it reminded me what a slick actor Willaim Hurt was.

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  192. Clyde says:
    @Anon
    The Fifth Element was what made Milla Jovovich into a sci-fi fan doll.

    Charlie Kaufman should do BEING MILLA JOVOVICH.

    Would you buy her bath water if she sold it on eBay?

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    What am I supposed to do with bathwater?

    I'll buy the T-Virus though.

    You can have lots of fun with that stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r7_oJIpcUE
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  193. keypusher says:
    @Anon
    But if you think about it for five seconds, you see that Sebastian never could have played all those great earlier moves that set up the killer queen sacrifice Roy tells him to play.

    How aspergy can you get?

    How aspergy can you get?

    Let me put it another way. Suppose Williams had portrayed Stanley Kowalski as writing Shakespeare-level sonnets on the side. Wouldn’t made sense, would it? That’s what Blade Runner did with Sebastian. Except what it did was more like him writing twelve stupendous lines (while having no idea what he was doing), and getting ready to wind up with something about “moon” and “June” and then Batty supplying him with the final couplet.

    That chess game was one of many little messes in that giant mess of a movie. But thanks for helping me understand the mentality of people who think Blade Runner was brilliant.

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  194. keypusher says:
    @syonredux

    They replaced white male Iron Man with a 15 year old black female genius who they write as a psychopath.
     
    SJW Magical thinking: we can make reality out of fantasy. Creating a fictional Black, female STEM genius will Hey!Presto! conjure a generation of actual Black, female STEM geniuses. Of course, where Tony Stark was concerned, the process went in the other direction. Fantasy was shaped by reality, as Tony Stark was simply a comic book version of actual Anglo-American inventors: Edison, Goddard, the Wright Brothers, Philo Farnsworth….

    That kind of magical thinking also just asphyxiates drama. In the original Star Wars trilogy, Luke Skywalker develops. In the first movie, he can only watch while Darth Vader kills Obi-wan. In the second, he gives Darth Vader a good fight. In the third movie, he defeats him. But in The Force Awakens, Rey has to be perfect (beautiful, can beat up men twice her size, crack pilot, etc.) more or less out of the box. It’s boring and irritating.

    It also hurts in another way. Part of the fun of the original Star Wars movies was having the same dominant villain throughout, undefeated until the very end. But Rey defeated Kylo Ren easily in the first movie. So they’re either going to build Kylo Ren up (good luck with that) or feature a different villain in the next one — Andy Serkis, I guess? Hope their CGI is up to the challenge.

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  195. MEH 0910 says:
    @Anon
    Only someone with absolutely no taste in movies would call that schlock better.

    Only a total dammy with no sense and no taste would be oblivious to the obvious superiority of the remake.

    It was poorly structured; a mile wide and an inch deep. The Robocop remake was a movie that pretended to be deep, but was nothing of the sort. It’s the kind of movie that appeals to people who want to sound profound but actually aren’t.

    It cruises like a sleek machine. Only a handful of blockbuster movies were so fine-tuned and well-engineered. ANT-MAN and TOMORROWLAND are among them. If you want poorly structured movie, try the new DREDD, which I mostly FF through. It's about as fun as having concrete blocks dropped on your head, though, to be sure, it tries to be edgier and purer in dark vision than the cartoonish Stallone version that resembles the original ROBOCOP.

    And no, it's not profound. It works as Pop Satire. It's an action movie with just enough food-and-mood-for-thought to spice things up a bit. The film-maker is Brazilian and familiar with police work and real crime. He made two pretty good movies about law enforcement in Brazil, and he took some of that expertise and deftly blended them with action formula. Risky since details of real crime and demands of escapist entertainment are miles apart. The director, like a good cook, knew which ingredients to mix in what amount and order. It gives what the audience wants but with just enough dark material to trigger and disturb their responses. One thing for sure, it doesn't revel in blood and gore like the original... which makes a joke of some guy getting shot in the balls and another guy melting after an acid bath. Much of the brutality in the first one was done for laughs. Now, I'm sure the hipsters will say Verboten was baiting the American audience, giving them dumb stuff to laugh like retards like in IDIOCRACY. Feeding slops to the pigs. This way, maybe Verboten could say he only pretended to 'sell out' to subversively mock the dumb Americans. But that's so much crap.
    The thing is Verboten can be a formidable film-maker. He made SOLDIER OF ORANGE and later THE BLACK BOOK. Also, like the Brazilian director of the remake, he is no ignoramus about violence and terror. There are many harrowing scenes in THE BLACK BOOK. But he just played comic-book dumb with ROBOCOP and STARSHIT POOPERS.

    Fine touch? It was incredibly obvious and not well done.

    Your damminess is so obvious and overdone. Your idea of 'fine touch' is the hamfisted teutonism of Verboten at his worst. Watch his better movies instead.

    To clarify, Starship Troopers was in no way a revelry of fascism; it was intended as a mockery.

    Celebration or mockery, it was a dumb dumb dumb movie. It was like BEVERLY HILLS 92100 crossed with BATTLESHIP GALACTICA or BUCK ROGERS. Anyone who likes it straight is an idiot. Anyone who claims to 'get' its subtext is a fool. It's junk.

    The bad guys in the original film were unique, entertaining, and they fit the violent theme of the movie quite well.

    They were run-of-the-mill corporate baddies.

    Anon Priss Factor [AKA "pizza with hot pepper"], you used to spell Verhoeven correctly, but your love for the dire remake of RoboCop hasn’t changed.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/how-to-fix-the-movies/#comment-686138

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  196. Brutusale says:
    @Karl
    102 Anonymous > started his grand tour of leeching off other people’s talents (and physical attributes) as a rock concert promoter while a student there


    Here we go again, pretending that farmers made the suburbs possible. No folks, it was guys who lent money to trucking companies to BRING the food to the suburbs that made it possible.

    Promoters made music possible. Without Epstein, the Beatles would ==still== be playing strip bars in Berlin

    Karl, we already know you’re of the sort that sells dreck for gelt. You don’t have to keep hammering the point.

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  197. Che Guava says:
    @Anon
    Only someone with absolutely no taste in movies would call that schlock better.

    Only a total dammy with no sense and no taste would be oblivious to the obvious superiority of the remake.

    It was poorly structured; a mile wide and an inch deep. The Robocop remake was a movie that pretended to be deep, but was nothing of the sort. It’s the kind of movie that appeals to people who want to sound profound but actually aren’t.

    It cruises like a sleek machine. Only a handful of blockbuster movies were so fine-tuned and well-engineered. ANT-MAN and TOMORROWLAND are among them. If you want poorly structured movie, try the new DREDD, which I mostly FF through. It's about as fun as having concrete blocks dropped on your head, though, to be sure, it tries to be edgier and purer in dark vision than the cartoonish Stallone version that resembles the original ROBOCOP.

    And no, it's not profound. It works as Pop Satire. It's an action movie with just enough food-and-mood-for-thought to spice things up a bit. The film-maker is Brazilian and familiar with police work and real crime. He made two pretty good movies about law enforcement in Brazil, and he took some of that expertise and deftly blended them with action formula. Risky since details of real crime and demands of escapist entertainment are miles apart. The director, like a good cook, knew which ingredients to mix in what amount and order. It gives what the audience wants but with just enough dark material to trigger and disturb their responses. One thing for sure, it doesn't revel in blood and gore like the original... which makes a joke of some guy getting shot in the balls and another guy melting after an acid bath. Much of the brutality in the first one was done for laughs. Now, I'm sure the hipsters will say Verboten was baiting the American audience, giving them dumb stuff to laugh like retards like in IDIOCRACY. Feeding slops to the pigs. This way, maybe Verboten could say he only pretended to 'sell out' to subversively mock the dumb Americans. But that's so much crap.
    The thing is Verboten can be a formidable film-maker. He made SOLDIER OF ORANGE and later THE BLACK BOOK. Also, like the Brazilian director of the remake, he is no ignoramus about violence and terror. There are many harrowing scenes in THE BLACK BOOK. But he just played comic-book dumb with ROBOCOP and STARSHIT POOPERS.

    Fine touch? It was incredibly obvious and not well done.

    Your damminess is so obvious and overdone. Your idea of 'fine touch' is the hamfisted teutonism of Verboten at his worst. Watch his better movies instead.

    To clarify, Starship Troopers was in no way a revelry of fascism; it was intended as a mockery.

    Celebration or mockery, it was a dumb dumb dumb movie. It was like BEVERLY HILLS 92100 crossed with BATTLESHIP GALACTICA or BUCK ROGERS. Anyone who likes it straight is an idiot. Anyone who claims to 'get' its subtext is a fool. It's junk.

    The bad guys in the original film were unique, entertaining, and they fit the violent theme of the movie quite well.

    They were run-of-the-mill corporate baddies.

    All that you are saying is precisely why Starship Troopers was such a great film.

    The blending in of USA 90210 soap-style with the recruits, before their signing up, the flow of that throughout, the designs of the uniforms, it was a great film.

    Haven’t watched it for some time, but last time I was (two or three years ago), Dizzy’s death scene is still making me cry.

    Verhoeven was one of the greats of SF movies, no possibility of a Robocop (and a big probability that some working for him were influenced by Judge Dredd comics from the UK), but his movie was to accurately predicting the way many police in many places would dress in later years.

    Excepting that the protagonist in We can Remember it for You Wholesale is an eyeryman character, which Schwarzenegger cannot depict, for obvious reasons, it is one of the very few (four or five) adaptations of Phil K. Dick to be at all faithful, so am still to liking it.

    Those three were so great, I am wishing that Verhoeven would making another SF film. Maybe a quiet one.

    BTW, you are using all caps much too much.

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    Haven’t watched it for some time, but last time I was (two or three years ago), Dizzy’s death scene is still making me cry.

    You gotta be shi**ing me. You mean made you cry laughing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DANEtz59KA

    I have an especially negative recollection of this movie because of how I got to see it. My sister recommended it(sardonically I think in retrospect) as the kind of 'fascist fantasy' that I'd like. I think it was her libby-dibby dumbass way of my mocking my beliefs, unaware that my fascism is humanist and not militarist.
    Anyway, I stupidly took my dad to the showing -- he just wanted to see some movie that day -- , and I'm sitting there godzilla-palm-slapping myself as my dad's staring blankfaced at a movie about teenybopper space cadets doing battle with giant dung beetles shooting laserballs out of their ass.

    I'd rather be exposed to the dragon's breath and sleep for nine moons than go through that embarrassment again.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBn6xPNtJzo
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  198. @anoynomers

    I think the Chinese government has pretty clearly stated that they have no intention to be a global hegemon, as well. Its too expensive.

    They would prefer if no one else was the global hegemon, also.
     
    Hmmm. You must be new to Africa.

    Why not go take a look around, and think about what you just said.

    Business partnership != drone-assisted dominance.

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  199. Che Guava says:
    @Anon
    Only someone with absolutely no taste in movies would call that schlock better.

    Only a total dammy with no sense and no taste would be oblivious to the obvious superiority of the remake.

    It was poorly structured; a mile wide and an inch deep. The Robocop remake was a movie that pretended to be deep, but was nothing of the sort. It’s the kind of movie that appeals to people who want to sound profound but actually aren’t.

    It cruises like a sleek machine. Only a handful of blockbuster movies were so fine-tuned and well-engineered. ANT-MAN and TOMORROWLAND are among them. If you want poorly structured movie, try the new DREDD, which I mostly FF through. It's about as fun as having concrete blocks dropped on your head, though, to be sure, it tries to be edgier and purer in dark vision than the cartoonish Stallone version that resembles the original ROBOCOP.

    And no, it's not profound. It works as Pop Satire. It's an action movie with just enough food-and-mood-for-thought to spice things up a bit. The film-maker is Brazilian and familiar with police work and real crime. He made two pretty good movies about law enforcement in Brazil, and he took some of that expertise and deftly blended them with action formula. Risky since details of real crime and demands of escapist entertainment are miles apart. The director, like a good cook, knew which ingredients to mix in what amount and order. It gives what the audience wants but with just enough dark material to trigger and disturb their responses. One thing for sure, it doesn't revel in blood and gore like the original... which makes a joke of some guy getting shot in the balls and another guy melting after an acid bath. Much of the brutality in the first one was done for laughs. Now, I'm sure the hipsters will say Verboten was baiting the American audience, giving them dumb stuff to laugh like retards like in IDIOCRACY. Feeding slops to the pigs. This way, maybe Verboten could say he only pretended to 'sell out' to subversively mock the dumb Americans. But that's so much crap.
    The thing is Verboten can be a formidable film-maker. He made SOLDIER OF ORANGE and later THE BLACK BOOK. Also, like the Brazilian director of the remake, he is no ignoramus about violence and terror. There are many harrowing scenes in THE BLACK BOOK. But he just played comic-book dumb with ROBOCOP and STARSHIT POOPERS.

    Fine touch? It was incredibly obvious and not well done.

    Your damminess is so obvious and overdone. Your idea of 'fine touch' is the hamfisted teutonism of Verboten at his worst. Watch his better movies instead.

    To clarify, Starship Troopers was in no way a revelry of fascism; it was intended as a mockery.

    Celebration or mockery, it was a dumb dumb dumb movie. It was like BEVERLY HILLS 92100 crossed with BATTLESHIP GALACTICA or BUCK ROGERS. Anyone who likes it straight is an idiot. Anyone who claims to 'get' its subtext is a fool. It's junk.

    The bad guys in the original film were unique, entertaining, and they fit the violent theme of the movie quite well.

    They were run-of-the-mill corporate baddies.

    Why do you having to post as ‘Anon’? Do not wanting cross-correlation with what you are saying with your registered ID?

    So many in this thread, many others recently, I am suggesting to regular posters with, as site policy, fixed u-names, to completely ostracize all Anon posters unless they are saying something that may truly endangering them.

    Sincere on it. Will be applying it myself from now.

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    Did you google-translate that from Urdu or something?
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  200. Bottom line: The original Blade Runner was and is still great. I saw it on a sweltering summer day in 1982. Great performances from all, even bit players like Brion James as Leon, the first replicant we see “retired.” And M. Emmet Walsh as Harry Bryant and Joe Turkel as Dr.Tyrell and William Sanderson as Sebastian, Joanna Cassidy as Zhora. All solid and memorable. And Harrison’s Ford’s voice-over narration was fine…
    And good plot ideas from Philip K. Dick with interesting new twists in the era of new genetic technology companies like Genentech.
    I didn’t care much for the actors in the sequel, although Ryan Gosling was pleasant and maintained an excellent haircut throughout. And I liked Deckard’s dog a lot. And Dave Bautista did well as Sapper Morton, a soon-to-be-retired older model replicant who had a genuine poignance.
    But Robin Wright affectedly slurping grain alcohol in every scene and wearing a Gordon Gekko slick-back haircut? Na-ah. Even Harrison Ford was in his face-ticking-chewing-the-carpeting-off-the-floor mode. Sylvia Hoeks was proficient but my feet hurt watching her kick the crap out everybody. Like watching the interminable Assassin’s Creed.
    The worst part though was the (as noted by many) excessive Creation and Savior/Anointed-One myth allusions, compounded by the orphaned feral children meme as in Mad Max Beyond the Thunderdome. Sheesh. Why are sequels compelled to destroy the francise by over explaining things? Remember The Exorcist II The Heretic, considered one of the worst films of all time?
    That said, I did enjoy seeing Blade Runner 2049 in IMAX. The cinematography was very good. But I did check my watch 6 times… And I still think about the original Blade Runner. The sequel? Probably not so much.

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    Brion James as Leon, the first replicant we see “retired.”

    The woman got killed first. Zhora I think
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  201. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Clyde
    Would you buy her bath water if she sold it on eBay?

    What am I supposed to do with bathwater?

    I’ll buy the T-Virus though.

    You can have lots of fun with that stuff.

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  202. Danindc says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I wanted an NFL team that no longer exists but did exist in the 1940s and 1980s. Baltimore Colt seemed like the best choice.

    COLT. Full stop – that was part of the charm. PACKER would have worked as well but not quite as good. I grew up in MD so there’s a bias.

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  204. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Che Guava
    Why do you having to post as 'Anon'? Do not wanting cross-correlation with what you are saying with your registered ID?

    So many in this thread, many others recently, I am suggesting to regular posters with, as site policy, fixed u-names, to completely ostracize all Anon posters unless they are saying something that may truly endangering them.

    Sincere on it. Will be applying it myself from now.

    Did you google-translate that from Urdu or something?

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  205. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Svigor
    8 versions of Blade Runner

    Anybody got a cheat sheet? I want the one with as much extra footage as possible, but without the voice narration.

    The 80s had a few movies showing this dystopian future, one being the unforgettable ‘Robocop 2’ that I enjoyed for a few minutes last night.
     
    Thinking back, I assumed Robocop 2 and Predator 2 were sci-fi film legacies of the LA riots, but it turns out that of the examples I came up with, only Demolition Man qualifies:

    Predator: 1987
    Robocop: 1987
    Predator 2:
    Robocop 2: 1990
    LA Riots: 1992
    Demolition Man: 1993

    So Predator 2 and Robocop 2 were more prescient than reminiscent of the LA riots.

    The Wikipedia article on the subject seems to suffer from being too literal, as Demolition Man isn't even mentioned:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots_in_popular_culture

    Yeah, “Demolition Man” predicted Dennis Rodman’s hairdo almost exactly.

    Seriously, Demolition Man is pretty great.
     
    Haha. Demolition Man is in my top 10 (yes, I'm a Philistine). I wrote all of the above before it was mentioned; you just can't talk sci-fi movies without talking Demolition Man. The Running Man and Total Recall (the original, not the shit remake) are great too, a few amateur moves (using film footage in the movie and some junky Mars sets, respectively) aside.

    So Predator 2 and Robocop 2 were more prescient than reminiscent of the LA riots.

    Since then, they did much to algorithmize the police, esp in NY. They turned policing into freakopatrolics.

    NY, the center of bobo’s. David Brooks calls it a paradise full of them.

    Given how the New Policing saved Bobopolis from the thugs, Brooks oughta start a comic book franchise called Bobocop. It can teach the world how to handle crime in the most rational and ‘humane’ manner.

    How about stop-and-frisk followed by free starbucks coffee and $20 gift certificate for the suspect(if clean).

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  206. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Joe Farnsworth
    Bottom line: The original Blade Runner was and is still great. I saw it on a sweltering summer day in 1982. Great performances from all, even bit players like Brion James as Leon, the first replicant we see "retired." And M. Emmet Walsh as Harry Bryant and Joe Turkel as Dr.Tyrell and William Sanderson as Sebastian, Joanna Cassidy as Zhora. All solid and memorable. And Harrison's Ford's voice-over narration was fine...
    And good plot ideas from Philip K. Dick with interesting new twists in the era of new genetic technology companies like Genentech.
    I didn't care much for the actors in the sequel, although Ryan Gosling was pleasant and maintained an excellent haircut throughout. And I liked Deckard's dog a lot. And Dave Bautista did well as Sapper Morton, a soon-to-be-retired older model replicant who had a genuine poignance.
    But Robin Wright affectedly slurping grain alcohol in every scene and wearing a Gordon Gekko slick-back haircut? Na-ah. Even Harrison Ford was in his face-ticking-chewing-the-carpeting-off-the-floor mode. Sylvia Hoeks was proficient but my feet hurt watching her kick the crap out everybody. Like watching the interminable Assassin's Creed.
    The worst part though was the (as noted by many) excessive Creation and Savior/Anointed-One myth allusions, compounded by the orphaned feral children meme as in Mad Max Beyond the Thunderdome. Sheesh. Why are sequels compelled to destroy the francise by over explaining things? Remember The Exorcist II The Heretic, considered one of the worst films of all time?
    That said, I did enjoy seeing Blade Runner 2049 in IMAX. The cinematography was very good. But I did check my watch 6 times... And I still think about the original Blade Runner. The sequel? Probably not so much.

    Brion James as Leon, the first replicant we see “retired.”

    The woman got killed first. Zhora I think

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  207. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Che Guava
    All that you are saying is precisely why Starship Troopers was such a great film.

    The blending in of USA 90210 soap-style with the recruits, before their signing up, the flow of that throughout, the designs of the uniforms, it was a great film.

    Haven't watched it for some time, but last time I was (two or three years ago), Dizzy's death scene is still making me cry.

    Verhoeven was one of the greats of SF movies, no possibility of a Robocop (and a big probability that some working for him were influenced by Judge Dredd comics from the UK), but his movie was to accurately predicting the way many police in many places would dress in later years.

    Excepting that the protagonist in We can Remember it for You Wholesale is an eyeryman character, which Schwarzenegger cannot depict, for obvious reasons, it is one of the very few (four or five) adaptations of Phil K. Dick to be at all faithful, so am still to liking it.

    Those three were so great, I am wishing that Verhoeven would making another SF film. Maybe a quiet one.

    BTW, you are using all caps much too much.

    Haven’t watched it for some time, but last time I was (two or three years ago), Dizzy’s death scene is still making me cry.

    You gotta be shi**ing me. You mean made you cry laughing.

    I have an especially negative recollection of this movie because of how I got to see it. My sister recommended it(sardonically I think in retrospect) as the kind of ‘fascist fantasy’ that I’d like. I think it was her libby-dibby dumbass way of my mocking my beliefs, unaware that my fascism is humanist and not militarist.
    Anyway, I stupidly took my dad to the showing — he just wanted to see some movie that day — , and I’m sitting there godzilla-palm-slapping myself as my dad’s staring blankfaced at a movie about teenybopper space cadets doing battle with giant dung beetles shooting laserballs out of their ass.

    I’d rather be exposed to the dragon’s breath and sleep for nine moons than go through that embarrassment again.

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  208. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @BB753
    I don't know, the Chinese don't seem to be able to hold long grudges like other nations do. Because they're not only smart, they're pragmatic too.

    No.

    Google “unequal treaties”.

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  209. Sean says:

    The flying cars are have been worked on for years, although the main promoter is a bit of a scam artist. He has always said that flying cars would have to be under central computerized control.

    BR is anachronistic inasmuch there seems to be nothing being done by bots or apps or incipient IA. There are so many jobs for humans that artificial ones have to be created. The world of Blade Runner 2049 has so many opportunities for real humans and no scarcity, hence nothing for human groups on Earth to fight over. But humans will be well on the way to being economically and militarily redundant by then. And jobs will be very scarce indeed.

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  210. BB753 says:
    @Anon
    No.

    Google "unequal treaties".

    Are the Chinese still sore about treaties signed under the Qing Dinasty?

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    It would seem so, hence my disagreement with your earlier statement.

    I get though that they're not as sore as, say Irish with English, except, and even then only to an extent, with the Japanese.

    , @Anon
    Are the Chinese still sore about treaties signed under the Qing Dinasty?

    This is why Russia needs Chinese Exclusion Act. The rule must be Chinese can work in parts of Russia but can't never settle there.

    Mexicans were pissed about treaty after Mexican-American War, but gringos didn't enforce Mexer Exclusion Act, and look at Ca and SW territories now. Remexicanized.
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  211. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @BB753
    Are the Chinese still sore about treaties signed under the Qing Dinasty?

    It would seem so, hence my disagreement with your earlier statement.

    I get though that they’re not as sore as, say Irish with English, except, and even then only to an extent, with the Japanese.

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    Its been getting harder to get the motivation to pwn the Europeans as they keep self-pwning themselves. Its a commonly expressed opinion among the Chinese elite.

    But the fear of a hostile world that will destroy them at any sign of weakness remains. Its the "siege mentality", but modernized. There's a lot of practicality, and there's a lot of siege mentality.

    Very Russian. Its why we get along so well now.

    , @Daniel Chieh
    I was raised with all of the traditional prejudices and the only themes were the Anglo government was terrible and the Germans were pretty wonderful: they gave us Tsingtao beer and trained my grandfather with their advisers, as well as other material support.
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  212. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    It would seem so, hence my disagreement with your earlier statement.

    I get though that they're not as sore as, say Irish with English, except, and even then only to an extent, with the Japanese.

    Its been getting harder to get the motivation to pwn the Europeans as they keep self-pwning themselves. Its a commonly expressed opinion among the Chinese elite.

    But the fear of a hostile world that will destroy them at any sign of weakness remains. Its the “siege mentality”, but modernized. There’s a lot of practicality, and there’s a lot of siege mentality.

    Very Russian. Its why we get along so well now.

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  213. Che Guava says:

    Why do you posting as Anon?

    Even if you are living in PRC, or, much worse, Saudi Arabia, you are not saying anything to offend them.

    Sincere question.

    Would appreciating a reply on that.

    This is the last time I wil replying to an anon poster here, others to using the anon exemption here are just trolls, and very poor at trollng.

    However, they have suddenly become very numerous.

    To all on this site, ignore all anon posters unless they are saying something very controversial and possibly dangerous to themselves, there is some kind of invading by third-rate trolls using the Anon/Anonymous exemption in progress on this site.

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  214. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @BB753
    Are the Chinese still sore about treaties signed under the Qing Dinasty?

    Are the Chinese still sore about treaties signed under the Qing Dinasty?

    This is why Russia needs Chinese Exclusion Act. The rule must be Chinese can work in parts of Russia but can’t never settle there.

    Mexicans were pissed about treaty after Mexican-American War, but gringos didn’t enforce Mexer Exclusion Act, and look at Ca and SW territories now. Remexicanized.

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    Agree, they need to start their journey to becoming a WN nation by expelling their Minister of Defense.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Shoygu
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  215. @Anon
    It would seem so, hence my disagreement with your earlier statement.

    I get though that they're not as sore as, say Irish with English, except, and even then only to an extent, with the Japanese.

    I was raised with all of the traditional prejudices and the only themes were the Anglo government was terrible and the Germans were pretty wonderful: they gave us Tsingtao beer and trained my grandfather with their advisers, as well as other material support.

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  216. @Anon
    Are the Chinese still sore about treaties signed under the Qing Dinasty?

    This is why Russia needs Chinese Exclusion Act. The rule must be Chinese can work in parts of Russia but can't never settle there.

    Mexicans were pissed about treaty after Mexican-American War, but gringos didn't enforce Mexer Exclusion Act, and look at Ca and SW territories now. Remexicanized.

    Agree, they need to start their journey to becoming a WN nation by expelling their Minister of Defense.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Shoygu

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  217. Thea says:
    @Karl
    Off-Topic..... did my inventory of 100,000 dozen "name your next baby Harvey!" bumper stickers..... just lose some value?

    How many decades before anyone will name a baby boy "Harvey"?

    Also: Postulate that the "casting couch" syndrome lasted as long as it did - because it filled _some_ sort of marketplace value.

    If so, then what are the predictable market consequences of Hollywood producers not being able to get some (rather easily) coerced nookie?

    Going forward, will there be less guys bothering to run Hollywood operations?

    Will actresses thereby lose employment?

    We have seen the result of what happens when race discrimination becomes more and more and more difficult and expensive and "underground" to practice.

    Does that predict anything for the future of Hollywood?

    I doubt the casting couch is going away . Harvey is the only one we hear about but they all do it. If this was just a hit on him personally, the others can carry on.

    If more names come out, well then, we will see uglier leading ladies and less box office income. And men will move to wherever or whatever field (STEM!) the hotties congregate in then.

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  218. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Dave Pinsen
    Come on, this is still great stuff.
    https://youtu.be/aLYWDYxuKSY

    William Hurt is an interesting actor, but I prefer the other Hurt, John. John Hurt has to be the most unusual major actor in past 3 decades. He got leading roles even though he’s this funny looking guy with star power looks. And yet, he was a very fine actor with wide range — he could do anything — and utterly convincing. He took the mantle from Michael Caine as the intelligent British actor. And he could play tough guy. THE HIT is a nasty piece of work but better than any Tarantino movie except the first.

    Anyone remember ANDROID? That was painful. Like film school version of ALIEN + BLADE RUNNER.

    JIGSAW MAN, though slight, was lots of fun though.

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    John Hurt was also a good enough sport to reprise his Alien scene for Mel Brooks in Space Balls.
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  219. Svigor says:

    I forgot the quote from Sebastian himself; “plenty of room for everybody.”

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  220. Svigor says:

    13th Warrior is a great film, but it doesn’t need rescuing, or a remake. Like The Wizard of Oz, Total Recall, Robocop, etc. They were done right the first time.

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  221. Svigor says:

    Actually I could see a Total Recall reimagining. It’s a great movie, but a remake could serve a purpose, even if it used the first movie’s script.

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  222. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anon
    William Hurt is an interesting actor, but I prefer the other Hurt, John. John Hurt has to be the most unusual major actor in past 3 decades. He got leading roles even though he's this funny looking guy with star power looks. And yet, he was a very fine actor with wide range -- he could do anything -- and utterly convincing. He took the mantle from Michael Caine as the intelligent British actor. And he could play tough guy. THE HIT is a nasty piece of work but better than any Tarantino movie except the first.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ-AYW3H6Xc

    Anyone remember ANDROID? That was painful. Like film school version of ALIEN + BLADE RUNNER.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26Ywpis2gkI

    JIGSAW MAN, though slight, was lots of fun though.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rGuG1UtUq4

    John Hurt was also a good enough sport to reprise his Alien scene for Mel Brooks in Space Balls.

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  223. Che Guava says:

    An interesting review on Counterpunch.

    DO NOT READ IF NOT WANTING SPOILERS.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/10/13/blade-runner-2049-i-cant-help-falling-in-love-with-you-or-can-i/

    From a feminist perspective, but in stark contrast to the predictable whining of The Grauniad‘s take. It is an interesting review.

    Also, there were two sequel novels by K.W. Jeter, trying to reconcile the novel and movie. Not the masterpieces, but many good parts. Would have made very good films. Seems the writers of 2049 may have cribbed a couple of points from his novels.

    Since he was living in a house with PKD for some time, and is the character Kevin in PKD’s novel Valis, he was uniquely placed, and was having the endorsement of PKD’s heirs.

    Also an old PC game, it is sounding interesting, but I was not finding a site to downloading it.

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  224. Tyrion says:
    @Anon
    Only someone with absolutely no taste in movies would call that schlock better.

    Only a total dammy with no sense and no taste would be oblivious to the obvious superiority of the remake.

    It was poorly structured; a mile wide and an inch deep. The Robocop remake was a movie that pretended to be deep, but was nothing of the sort. It’s the kind of movie that appeals to people who want to sound profound but actually aren’t.

    It cruises like a sleek machine. Only a handful of blockbuster movies were so fine-tuned and well-engineered. ANT-MAN and TOMORROWLAND are among them. If you want poorly structured movie, try the new DREDD, which I mostly FF through. It's about as fun as having concrete blocks dropped on your head, though, to be sure, it tries to be edgier and purer in dark vision than the cartoonish Stallone version that resembles the original ROBOCOP.

    And no, it's not profound. It works as Pop Satire. It's an action movie with just enough food-and-mood-for-thought to spice things up a bit. The film-maker is Brazilian and familiar with police work and real crime. He made two pretty good movies about law enforcement in Brazil, and he took some of that expertise and deftly blended them with action formula. Risky since details of real crime and demands of escapist entertainment are miles apart. The director, like a good cook, knew which ingredients to mix in what amount and order. It gives what the audience wants but with just enough dark material to trigger and disturb their responses. One thing for sure, it doesn't revel in blood and gore like the original... which makes a joke of some guy getting shot in the balls and another guy melting after an acid bath. Much of the brutality in the first one was done for laughs. Now, I'm sure the hipsters will say Verboten was baiting the American audience, giving them dumb stuff to laugh like retards like in IDIOCRACY. Feeding slops to the pigs. This way, maybe Verboten could say he only pretended to 'sell out' to subversively mock the dumb Americans. But that's so much crap.
    The thing is Verboten can be a formidable film-maker. He made SOLDIER OF ORANGE and later THE BLACK BOOK. Also, like the Brazilian director of the remake, he is no ignoramus about violence and terror. There are many harrowing scenes in THE BLACK BOOK. But he just played comic-book dumb with ROBOCOP and STARSHIT POOPERS.

    Fine touch? It was incredibly obvious and not well done.

    Your damminess is so obvious and overdone. Your idea of 'fine touch' is the hamfisted teutonism of Verboten at his worst. Watch his better movies instead.

    To clarify, Starship Troopers was in no way a revelry of fascism; it was intended as a mockery.

    Celebration or mockery, it was a dumb dumb dumb movie. It was like BEVERLY HILLS 92100 crossed with BATTLESHIP GALACTICA or BUCK ROGERS. Anyone who likes it straight is an idiot. Anyone who claims to 'get' its subtext is a fool. It's junk.

    The bad guys in the original film were unique, entertaining, and they fit the violent theme of the movie quite well.

    They were run-of-the-mill corporate baddies.

    You’re the worst troll on this site. Amazing really!

    Your whole string of comments…

    I can’t even…

    Lol

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  225. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    https://www.rogerdeakins.com/film-talk/blade-runner-2049-2d-or-3d/

    Does the Imax version crop the sides?

    I saw ATTACK OF CLONES on Imax and the sides were cropped(and the running time was cut by 15 min).

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