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It’s striking how the word “blacklisting” has gone from in the 1970s being a terrible McCarthyite offense against freedom to something that corporations now proudly advertise that they do to show how wokely virtuous they are.

 
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  1. ‘…It’s striking how the word “blacklisting” has gone from in the 1970s being a terrible McCarthyite offense against freedom to something that corporations now proudly advertise that they do to show how wokely virtuous they are.’

    See also ‘populism.’. That used to be a good thing — but is now a bad one.

    • Replies: @bomag

    See also ‘populism.’. That used to be a good thing — but is now a bad one.
     
    We're going to need a program to keep track of the changes:

    -- big corporate: was bad, now good

    -- blue collar union members: were good, now bad

    -- Boy Scouts: were good, now bad

    -- Third World population growth: was bad, now good

    -- communicable diseases: were bad, now good

    etc, etc.
    , @International Jew
    Eh, not so sure I ever remember "populism" being a good thing. "Populism" is just what you call Democracy, when your side loses.
  2. 216 says:

    The left has mused about filing “fiduciary duty” lawsuits against FOX for keeping Carlson on the air when they can’t get WokeCapital to buy ad slots.

    Some rumors have claimed Carlson is dependent on the patronage of Lachlan Murdoch.

    They will not allow us anything.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    What a clever ploy! Shall we map it out:

    1. Gain control of practically all media including social, broadcast, print, etc. (I guess Fox News is the lone outpost?)
    2. Spread value system through control of practically all media ("diversity is strength and anyone opposed is a horrible bigot", etc.)
    3. Use control of practically all media to threaten advertisers of the badthink content in the lone outpost that contradicts the value system
    4. Advertisers pull out
    5. Since the badthink content in the lone outpost is now a financial liability, use fiduciary duty laws to force it to be removed

    It's perfectly legal and perfect censorship. Gradually I began to hate them.
    , @anon
    Say, isn't that what Robert Duvall's "evil" character in Network says about the news division of UBS?
    Written by a blacklist fetishist, of course.
  3. @Steve

    “it’s striking how the word ‘blacklisting’ has gone…”

    Oh come now, it’s not striking at all. You’re the main guy who popularized the Who/Whom dynamic for English speakers, you should know better.

    Quite obviously, blacklisting was very, very bad, very double-plus ungood double-secret BAAAAD way back in the Before-fore Timey-times, back when (((Our Bestest Friends Forever))) were in danger of being blacklisted for oh, y’know, just trying to betray, subvert and destroy the country they lived in. But now that (((Our Bestest Friends))) are fully in charge, and control ALL the choke-points and shock-collars of ALL media, finance, judicial, corporate, academic and governmental fulcrums going forward, blacklisting is just going to be Jim-dandy from here on out.

    Come on, you understand this, boychik, right? And if you don’t, you can just kiss your platform, your credit cards and your bank accounts off to Lower Slobovia.

    • Replies: @bored identity
    That was such a nice, shiny Gem of the Theory of Disease...
  4. Babbel indeed.

  5. utu says:

    De Tocqueville

    I think the species of oppression by which democratic nations are menaced is unlike anything that ever before existed in the world; our contemporaries will find no prototype in their memories. I seek in vain for an expression that will accurately convey the whole of the idea I have formed of it; the old words despotism and tyranny are inappropriate: the thing itself is new, and , since I cannot name it, I must attempt to define it…

    Above this race of men stands an immense and tutelary power, which takes it upon itself alone to secure their gratifications and to watch over their fate. That power is absolute, minute, regular, provident and mild. It would be like the authority of a parent if, like that authority, its object was to prepare men for manhood; but it seeks, on the contrary, to keep them in a perpetual state of childhood: it is well content that people should rejoice, provided they think of nothing but rejoicing. For their happiness, such a government willingly labors, but it chooses to be the sole agent and the only arbiter of that happiness; it provides for their security, foresees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasures, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry, regulates the descent of property, and subdivides their inheritances: what remains, but to spare them all the care of thinking and all the trouble of living?

    Thus it every day renders the exercise of the free agency of man less useful and less frequent; it circumscribes the will within a narrower range and gradually robs a man of all the uses of himself. The principle of equality has prepared men for these things; it has predisposed men to endure them as benefits.

    After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small, complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals of which the government is the shepherd.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    The genius of DeT was that he had no illusions about "democracy", that it, too, could succumb to the instinct to wield the lash just like any other system of government, hence the origin of the phrase "eternal vigilance is the price of liberty".

    "Vigilance" is a commodity which doesn't exist anymore--if in fact it ever did. Which is why we slowly flow down the toilet.

    , @anon
    THat's strange I don't remember Bill Moyers reading those passages back in the 70s PBS mini series
  6. Facile false equivalency. There is good and evil

    When you give to
    @FoxNews
    , no matter the program, you are financing Tucker Carlson and all other white supremacist fluffers there.

    You need to decide what matters: Reaching lunatics or losing everyone else. Until you show a corporate conscience, Im not recommending babel anymore

    Who’s the audience anyway? Would anyone who watches Fox News want to learn another language anyway?

    Face it you guys are losing in the marketplace of ideas

    • Replies: @Anon
    Our right to self-determination is not dependent upon the whims of left-liberals.

    It is immoral to treat conservatives as more worthy of contempt than the 13% of the population that commits 50% of the homicides.
    , @JeremiahJohnbalaya
    Tiny Duck: Who, Whom!
    , @Mr. Anon

    You need to decide what matters: Reaching lunatics or losing everyone else. Until you show a corporate conscience, Im not recommending babel anymore
     
    Good idea. Maybe you should learn English before you try to butcher any other language with your drug-induced ramblings.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    Stop smearing that white paste on your wiener. It's disgusting. Putting anything but mustard on your hotdog, especially mayonnaise, makes you a deviant. Oh wait, I forgot you're a pseudonym.
    , @BigDickNick
    we're losing in the marketplace of gibsmedat
  7. The definition of irony.

  8. Clyde says:

    going forward….all purpose BS deflective words….anyways ….

    Complete disregard for the sanctity of life’: Justine Damond’s heartbroken fiancé rails against US cop who shot dead Australian woman in her pyjamas – as he is found guilty of third-degree murder and faces up to 25 years in jail
    Mohamed Noor had pleaded not guilty to manslaughter and murder charges
    Jury of ten men and two women reached a verdict after three weeks of testimony
    Justine Ruszczyk Damond was shot outside her home shortly after she called 911
    Damond, a dual citizen of the US and Australia, called to report a sexual assault
    Noor testified he shot Damond after he heard a bang on his squad car
    By KAREN RUIZ FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA and AP

    PUBLISHED: 18:15 EDT, 30 April 2019 | UPDATED: 20:00 EDT, 30 April 2019

  9. To whomever these Babbel people are (obviously not an American company):

    a) Tucker Carlson will be able to find other ads. I think he will sleep fine tonight.

    b) Do you know how few people actually pay attention to commercials, or more often, have the TV muted? I doubt 1/4 of the TV audience could have told you 2 minutes later whose ad had just been on during that break.

    c) I watch Tucker Carlson on youtube, not TV. I don’t see your ads. This is why I have no idea what your company does, and worse yet, don’t care.

    d) “Going forward”, like “at the end of the day”, is a decade-old corporate expression. It makes your company sound like a bunch of old pharts.

    e) SCREW YOU ALL!

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes

    Do you know how few people actually pay attention to commercials, or more often, have the TV muted? I doubt 1/4 of the TV audience could have told you 2 minutes later whose ad had just been on during that break.
     
    True - but think how breathtakingly stupid someone has to be to actively watch advertisements. "A fool and his money are soon parted" never rang truer.
    , @Buzz Mohawk

    a) Tucker Carlson will be able to find other ads. I think he will sleep fine tonight.
     
    He will indeed sleep fine, because the biggest Fox sponsor seems to be that My Pillow guy, who loves Trump and seems very unlikely to "blacklist" Carlson.
    , @anon

    To whomever these Babbel people are (obviously not an American company):

    a) Tucker Carlson will be able to find other ads. I think he will sleep fine tonight.
     
    you don't know that though

    podcast i listen to says one of the few advertisers left is Swanson Frozen Foods? because Carlson's stepmother was an heiress of that company - not sure if true though

    also, rumors that Carlson is buying land in Maine with a studio for him to broadcast from when he inevitably gets let go by FNC because of the boycott. maybe he'll put out his own program then
    , @Mr. Anon

    d) “Going forward”, like “at the end of the day”, is a decade-old corporate expression. It makes your company sound like a bunch of old pharts.
     
    I've always hated "Going forward.......". When ever I've heard people say that I want to ask them: Going forward? Which other way would you go? You got a f**king time-machine in your pocket?
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    Babbel is a German corporation. Germany has a long history of blacklisting - I believe the 1930s were particularly 'woke' in that regard.

    It's a language learning app wot you pay for.

    https://about.babbel.com/en/about-us/

    The picture of Chief Product Officer Geoff Stead makes me ashamed to be British.

    https://about.babbel.com/shared/managers/gstead.jpg
    , @dfordoom

    a) Tucker Carlson will be able to find other ads. I think he will sleep fine tonight.
     
    If he's not worried then he's a fool. He has been targeted for destruction. He will be destroyed. The campaign of destruction will be relentless and will not end until he has been silenced.
  10. bomag says:
    @Colin Wright
    '...It’s striking how the word “blacklisting” has gone from in the 1970s being a terrible McCarthyite offense against freedom to something that corporations now proudly advertise that they do to show how wokely virtuous they are.'

    See also 'populism.'. That used to be a good thing -- but is now a bad one.

    See also ‘populism.’. That used to be a good thing — but is now a bad one.

    We’re going to need a program to keep track of the changes:

    — big corporate: was bad, now good

    — blue collar union members: were good, now bad

    — Boy Scouts: were good, now bad

    — Third World population growth: was bad, now good

    — communicable diseases: were bad, now good

    etc, etc.

    • Replies: @anon

    — communicable diseases: were bad, now good
     
    just change the name and the stigma goes away

    venereal disease --> STD ---> to what is it now, SID or STI? very clinical

    illegal alien ---> illegal immigrant ----> undocumented worker ---> migrant

    , @Reg Cæsar

    — Boy Scouts: were good, now bad
     
    No, they're back to "good" again. They allow homos* on your son's camping trips.

    These are the bad guys:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xTbSygBCGPg

    *Kindle's autocorrect changed this to "homie". Don't drink the water in Seattle!

  11. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Babbel is a language learning app (“Babbel” as in Tower of Babel, to babble). I don’t know if it qualifies as a “corporation” in the colloquial sense of a large enterprise.

    I’m surprised they were even advertising on Fox in the first place. Language learning for recreation tends to be a SWPL thing.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Going by ratings FoxNews counts a stuff white people like.
  12. Taking Tucker down is now in over-drive. His Alma Mater, Trinity, just had a professor go crazy (2nd time) with hatred towards white people (it made national news). And, unfortunately, for the Uni president (also AfAm), Tucker’s disdain for Trinity over this latest ugly diatribe by this professor was awkward. since alumni are now disgusted.

    http://www.courant.com/politics/hc-pol-trinity-professor-tweets-20190423-ivp7byahsfdm7f2uc3crfxp2ra-story.html

    Everyone, all over the country and Europe adore Tucker! Tucker is officially, famous. Most companies want to have ads when he is on air – he is commanding millions, now. Sean is still popular with his set audience for the last 15-20 years, but Tucker appeals to a younger age group….this is why the left is apoplectic.

  13. @Colin Wright
    '...It’s striking how the word “blacklisting” has gone from in the 1970s being a terrible McCarthyite offense against freedom to something that corporations now proudly advertise that they do to show how wokely virtuous they are.'

    See also 'populism.'. That used to be a good thing -- but is now a bad one.

    Eh, not so sure I ever remember “populism” being a good thing. “Populism” is just what you call Democracy, when your side loses.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    This, it always meant wrongly appealing to people who probably shouldn't be able to vote. A tyrant was once a guy who cancelled the overgrown agricultural debts that inevitably built up for smallholders and peasants. This, a lasting evidence of the feeling on the part of the lenders of cancelled debt, who generally had enough left over to patronize writers and artists. And now we see ostensibly-leftist grovelling to Kapital and The Patron running riot like in Renaissance Venice, except nobody knows how to make art any more.
    , @istevefan
    In the US populism from the late 1800s to the early 1900s would probably be perceived as being good since it seems to have been more progressive, or left wing. Later populism in the US became more reactionary which is what we have with Trump in 2016.

    It's not populism they hate, it's reactionaries.

  14. “They will not allow us anything.”

    Oh quiet now whitie, if you think taking Tucker Carlson off the air justifies such moaning you’ll have another thing coming when the real crackdown begins. Enjoy your last few election cycles as an electoral force that needs to be paid lip service to, because once we can win without any whitie votes at all you’ll be truly cooked. On the bright side, I can promise you that white liberals will be leashed and collared just like all the other whities once we no longer have need for them. They are your enemies even more so than we are, so you should get at least some satisfaction from seeing your enemies suffer, even if you’ll be suffering right alongside them.

  15. @Achmed E. Newman
    To whomever these Babbel people are (obviously not an American company):

    a) Tucker Carlson will be able to find other ads. I think he will sleep fine tonight.

    b) Do you know how few people actually pay attention to commercials, or more often, have the TV muted? I doubt 1/4 of the TV audience could have told you 2 minutes later whose ad had just been on during that break.

    c) I watch Tucker Carlson on youtube, not TV. I don't see your ads. This is why I have no idea what your company does, and worse yet, don't care.

    d) "Going forward", like "at the end of the day", is a decade-old corporate expression. It makes your company sound like a bunch of old pharts.

    e) SCREW YOU ALL!

    Do you know how few people actually pay attention to commercials, or more often, have the TV muted? I doubt 1/4 of the TV audience could have told you 2 minutes later whose ad had just been on during that break.

    True – but think how breathtakingly stupid someone has to be to actively watch advertisements. “A fool and his money are soon parted” never rang truer.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    But dumber still is the person who gets emotional about them, or bets all his money on them.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    But adverts do seem to work on susceptible audiences (i.e. women).

    My wife mainly drinks ground coffee, but we always have instant in the house, and I have noticed over the years that she occasionally switches brands - and the switch is always to whichever brand is being most heavily promoted on TV. I'm sure it's completely unconscious.

    Our trajectory has been Gold Blend - Kenco - Douwe Egberts - majority owned by the Riemann family (probably an integrated business then?), and people who make suppliers wait up to 300 days before payment. Ain't oligopoly grand?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-30/buy-now-pay-later-helps-jab-billionaires-build-beverage-empire
    , @Colin Wright
    'True – but think how breathtakingly stupid someone has to be to actively watch advertisements...'

    Meh. At least it's understood the advertisement is promoting a product. Can you say the same for the program itself?
  16. It’s striking how the word “blacklisting” has gone from in the 1970s being a terrible McCarthyite offense against freedom to something that corporations now proudly advertise that they do to show how wokely virtuous they are.

    McCarthy was right, and we are suffering today because the Greatest Generation and the preceding one failed to listen to him.

  17. “While we did place our ad with Fox, we did not know it would air on a show so repugnant and at odds with our mission and values.”

    What are those values — other than the value of the Benjamins?

    • Replies: @Another Canadian
    Steve, you're an old hand at market research. Do you think these corporate henchmen at Babbel were oblivious that they were buying valuable Tucker Carlson airtime on Fox? Maybe their minions were just writing a big cheque and hoping for Lou Dobbs?
  18. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Heh heh. Its about workin the sheisters in the diversity rackets.

    You run some poc uppa flag. Put a chick and a black on the board, legal has something to work with.

    To normal men it appears the most grotesque grovelling parasitism, but hey not gonna sue.

  19. It’s striking how the word “blacklisting” has gone from in the 1970s being a terrible McCarthyite offense against freedom to something that corporations now proudly advertise that they do to show how wokely virtuous they are.

    Who, whom?

  20. @Tiny Duck
    Facile false equivalency. There is good and evil

    When you give to
    @FoxNews
    , no matter the program, you are financing Tucker Carlson and all other white supremacist fluffers there.

    You need to decide what matters: Reaching lunatics or losing everyone else. Until you show a corporate conscience, Im not recommending babel anymore

    Who’s the audience anyway? Would anyone who watches Fox News want to learn another language anyway?

    Face it you guys are losing in the marketplace of ideas

    Our right to self-determination is not dependent upon the whims of left-liberals.

    It is immoral to treat conservatives as more worthy of contempt than the 13% of the population that commits 50% of the homicides.

  21. Ah, it’s a callout to Sleeping Giants, the pressure group funded and supported by big tech to isolate and swarm any company that dares to advertise on any non-pozzed platform.

    This isn’t an apology, it’s pathetic grovelling and pleading for clemency, which will, as always, fail to obtain any.

    Are you paying attention, President Trump? I’ll bet that the sources of funding for Matt Rivitz and his cronies would be veeeery interesting to the IRS. And since the guy is an ad man, there’s a potential tortious interference angle as well.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Trump has shown that he will never do anything against people who viciously and illegally attack him.
  22. @216
    The left has mused about filing "fiduciary duty" lawsuits against FOX for keeping Carlson on the air when they can't get WokeCapital to buy ad slots.

    https://twitter.com/GoAngelo/status/1112862012218933248

    Some rumors have claimed Carlson is dependent on the patronage of Lachlan Murdoch.

    They will not allow us anything.

    What a clever ploy! Shall we map it out:

    1. Gain control of practically all media including social, broadcast, print, etc. (I guess Fox News is the lone outpost?)
    2. Spread value system through control of practically all media (“diversity is strength and anyone opposed is a horrible bigot”, etc.)
    3. Use control of practically all media to threaten advertisers of the badthink content in the lone outpost that contradicts the value system
    4. Advertisers pull out
    5. Since the badthink content in the lone outpost is now a financial liability, use fiduciary duty laws to force it to be removed

    It’s perfectly legal and perfect censorship. Gradually I began to hate them.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    It’s perfectly legal and perfect censorship.
     
    And an excellent illustration of the worthlessness of the First Amendment.
    , @Hunsdon
    That phrase is making a comeback.
  23. J.Ross says: • Website
    @International Jew
    Eh, not so sure I ever remember "populism" being a good thing. "Populism" is just what you call Democracy, when your side loses.

    This, it always meant wrongly appealing to people who probably shouldn’t be able to vote. A tyrant was once a guy who cancelled the overgrown agricultural debts that inevitably built up for smallholders and peasants. This, a lasting evidence of the feeling on the part of the lenders of cancelled debt, who generally had enough left over to patronize writers and artists. And now we see ostensibly-leftist grovelling to Kapital and The Patron running riot like in Renaissance Venice, except nobody knows how to make art any more.

  24. @Kratoklastes

    Do you know how few people actually pay attention to commercials, or more often, have the TV muted? I doubt 1/4 of the TV audience could have told you 2 minutes later whose ad had just been on during that break.
     
    True - but think how breathtakingly stupid someone has to be to actively watch advertisements. "A fool and his money are soon parted" never rang truer.

    But dumber still is the person who gets emotional about them, or bets all his money on them.

  25. @Achmed E. Newman
    To whomever these Babbel people are (obviously not an American company):

    a) Tucker Carlson will be able to find other ads. I think he will sleep fine tonight.

    b) Do you know how few people actually pay attention to commercials, or more often, have the TV muted? I doubt 1/4 of the TV audience could have told you 2 minutes later whose ad had just been on during that break.

    c) I watch Tucker Carlson on youtube, not TV. I don't see your ads. This is why I have no idea what your company does, and worse yet, don't care.

    d) "Going forward", like "at the end of the day", is a decade-old corporate expression. It makes your company sound like a bunch of old pharts.

    e) SCREW YOU ALL!

    a) Tucker Carlson will be able to find other ads. I think he will sleep fine tonight.

    He will indeed sleep fine, because the biggest Fox sponsor seems to be that My Pillow guy, who loves Trump and seems very unlikely to “blacklist” Carlson.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    As a wiyabu with a sobakawa, I never thought I would feel about pillows like I do about that Mike guy, but he is awesome. I wish Steve King had a quarter of his stuffing.
  26. Anon[260] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, disgraced demagogue Rachel Maddow still has a show on MSNBC despite pushing a disproved Manchurian Candidate conspiracy theory for years. And whose idea was it to put all the major media in just three cities that are all heavily democrat and are, therefore, easily managed by party bosses and the US government? …. oh, maybe that was on purpose. Remember when Bush relaxed all those media ownership rules that allowed these corporations based in LA and NYC to buy up local newspapers? Yeah, conservatives are their own worst enemy. It’s amazing how easy it is to soothe the boomernats by dropping a little “muh corporashuns” ointment onto them as they are being disenfranchised. By hey, at least we preserved corporate rights.

    OT (some good news): Cute Asian Tiger Lady Targeted by Unattractive American Cat Ladies Decides She Won’t Bow Down To Woke Mob After all – Will Publish Book Gatekeepers Deemed “Racist”. Ironically, the black guy who instigated the Twitter lynch mob got unpersoned himself not long after. His crime: he wrote a book about some gay guys in Yugoslavia during the 90s war there, or something similar…but they were WHITE gay guys and not natives and the bad guy was a Muslim. #Hitlerconfirmed

  27. @Buzz Mohawk

    a) Tucker Carlson will be able to find other ads. I think he will sleep fine tonight.
     
    He will indeed sleep fine, because the biggest Fox sponsor seems to be that My Pillow guy, who loves Trump and seems very unlikely to "blacklist" Carlson.

    As a wiyabu with a sobakawa, I never thought I would feel about pillows like I do about that Mike guy, but he is awesome. I wish Steve King had a quarter of his stuffing.

  28. Anon[441] • Disclaimer says:

    “It’s striking how the word “blacklisting” has gone from in the 1970s being a terrible McCarthyite offense against freedom … ”

    McCarthy’s targets were Leftists at a time when white American conservatives were the majority. Therefore, he and his rhetoric were deemed bad because the latter could be used to great effect against the Left and their interests. Now that the Left has a majority due to immigration and media ownership, using those same tactics against their enemies is deemed good because it serves their interests. See how that works? It’s all a case of Who, whom? Humans don’t actually believe much of what they say, or at least their professed beliefs don’t originate from a principled dialectic. People choose their beliefs superficially based on what they think serves their immediate interests and, tangentially, their group interests; they then seek to justify them retroactively by cherry picking arguments. Thus, when it serves their personal or group interests, humans will change their old professed beliefs to match their new current interests. This is why proposition nations of the kind promoted by Charles Krauthammer and fellow neocons are fundamentally unstable: propositions are ephemeral and wholly dependent upon society’s current interests; change the society or change the interests and you change the professed proposition. Leftists have done just that (along with technological innovation and changing economic circumstances). Therefore, our national proposition is no longer free expression but preventing the new Coalition of the Fringes from having its feelings hurt – freedom, facts and logic be damned.

  29. @Anonymous
    Babbel is a language learning app ("Babbel" as in Tower of Babel, to babble). I don't know if it qualifies as a "corporation" in the colloquial sense of a large enterprise.

    I'm surprised they were even advertising on Fox in the first place. Language learning for recreation tends to be a SWPL thing.

    Going by ratings FoxNews counts a stuff white people like.

  30. anon[411] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    To whomever these Babbel people are (obviously not an American company):

    a) Tucker Carlson will be able to find other ads. I think he will sleep fine tonight.

    b) Do you know how few people actually pay attention to commercials, or more often, have the TV muted? I doubt 1/4 of the TV audience could have told you 2 minutes later whose ad had just been on during that break.

    c) I watch Tucker Carlson on youtube, not TV. I don't see your ads. This is why I have no idea what your company does, and worse yet, don't care.

    d) "Going forward", like "at the end of the day", is a decade-old corporate expression. It makes your company sound like a bunch of old pharts.

    e) SCREW YOU ALL!

    To whomever these Babbel people are (obviously not an American company):

    a) Tucker Carlson will be able to find other ads. I think he will sleep fine tonight.

    you don’t know that though

    podcast i listen to says one of the few advertisers left is Swanson Frozen Foods? because Carlson’s stepmother was an heiress of that company – not sure if true though

    also, rumors that Carlson is buying land in Maine with a studio for him to broadcast from when he inevitably gets let go by FNC because of the boycott. maybe he’ll put out his own program then

  31. The thing is, back when blacklisting was done in the “McCarthy Era,” there really was communist infiltration in American media and government, and many of those who were blacklisted were indeed assisting the communist cause of subversion. Ron Unz has written about this.

    So, when blacklisting was a bad word, it was referring to something that was actually a good being done against, arguably, an evil. It was a bad word because the act was against those who controlled the discourse or “narrative,” and who were assisting in the subversion.

    Now blacklisting is a good word, because it means something evil being done against what is good and right. This is because the idealogical heirs of past subversion are doing the same dirty work as always — and defining the terms as usual.

    It all makes sense. Right?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Also, the fifties anti-Communist blacklisting was actually a fair and direct reaction to the thirties Communist blacklisting, as is unwittingly admitted by every McCarthy critic who mentions Lucille Ball being signed up against her will. In the thirties, to work with certain Communist-sympathetic directors, you had to be a card-carrying Communist. Like the later blacklist, it was a matter of getting a paycheck or not, so some people went along with it unwillingly.
    , @istevefan
    Ann Coulter covered McCarthy in her book Treason.

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/900906615527944196
  32. @Tiny Duck
    Facile false equivalency. There is good and evil

    When you give to
    @FoxNews
    , no matter the program, you are financing Tucker Carlson and all other white supremacist fluffers there.

    You need to decide what matters: Reaching lunatics or losing everyone else. Until you show a corporate conscience, Im not recommending babel anymore

    Who’s the audience anyway? Would anyone who watches Fox News want to learn another language anyway?

    Face it you guys are losing in the marketplace of ideas

    Tiny Duck: Who, Whom!

  33. @bomag

    See also ‘populism.’. That used to be a good thing — but is now a bad one.
     
    We're going to need a program to keep track of the changes:

    -- big corporate: was bad, now good

    -- blue collar union members: were good, now bad

    -- Boy Scouts: were good, now bad

    -- Third World population growth: was bad, now good

    -- communicable diseases: were bad, now good

    etc, etc.

    — communicable diseases: were bad, now good

    just change the name and the stigma goes away

    venereal disease –> STD —> to what is it now, SID or STI? very clinical

    illegal alien —> illegal immigrant —-> undocumented worker —> migrant

  34. I know screenwriters who still bring up Dalton Trumbo on at least a monthly basis.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    They renamed the fountain at my alma mater after Trumbo. He went there for a couple of years before setting out for L.A. and his career.

    The fountain was a free speech place, and they reasoned that Dalton Trumbo stood for that.

    Whatever.

    I did some comedy at an open mic there one day and was amazed that I could make fifty people laugh. On another occasion, I happened upon Alan Ginsburg reading "Birdbrain" there in front of a pathetically small group of perhaps five people. I stood there and listened to the angry man with the beard.

    I also thought like a good communist because that's what my professors were teaching. It took a while to get over that.

    One time I was watching a traveling preacher preach at that Dalton Trumbo Fountain when suddenly the Oscar Mayer Weinermobile pulled up behind him. It was one of the most surreal juxtapositions I have ever seen. I laughed out loud.

    https://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/images/wi/WIMADwiener_sandefur_620x300.jpg
    , @Redneck farmer
    To they bring up his "Hitler is a victim of British propaganda" writings?
    , @Alden
    I watch Turner classic movies because it’s the only channel that doesn’t have ADs. But the little ten minute intervals between movies are usually anti McCarthy pro communist actors writers directors propaganda.

    Film schools and even the one history of film courses a lot of undergrads take as one of the general ED requirements just blast the anti McCarthy pro communist line. A conspiracy theorists like I might think the history of film courses are in the curriculum for the purpose of pro communist anti McCarthy propaganda than studying old movies.
    , @gp
    What was it about the 1950's blacklist that was so atrocious? It affected maybe 20 guys, and hardly at all, right? Trumbo seemed to have a very satisfying life, blacklisted or not; I don't think he missed any meals. Nobody was imprisoned or shot or even stopped from writing. I remember an Oscars ceremony sometime back where everybody flagellated themselves and rent garments over how AWFUL the blacklist was. WTF? Compare it to 2019, where any poor schmuck expressing his honest heterodox opinion destroys his career for real.
  35. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Buzz Mohawk
    The thing is, back when blacklisting was done in the "McCarthy Era," there really was communist infiltration in American media and government, and many of those who were blacklisted were indeed assisting the communist cause of subversion. Ron Unz has written about this.

    So, when blacklisting was a bad word, it was referring to something that was actually a good being done against, arguably, an evil. It was a bad word because the act was against those who controlled the discourse or "narrative," and who were assisting in the subversion.

    Now blacklisting is a good word, because it means something evil being done against what is good and right. This is because the idealogical heirs of past subversion are doing the same dirty work as always -- and defining the terms as usual.

    It all makes sense. Right?

    https://media.giphy.com/media/U4VXRfcY3zxTi/giphy.gif

    Also, the fifties anti-Communist blacklisting was actually a fair and direct reaction to the thirties Communist blacklisting, as is unwittingly admitted by every McCarthy critic who mentions Lucille Ball being signed up against her will. In the thirties, to work with certain Communist-sympathetic directors, you had to be a card-carrying Communist. Like the later blacklist, it was a matter of getting a paycheck or not, so some people went along with it unwillingly.

  36. @Michael S
    Ah, it's a callout to Sleeping Giants, the pressure group funded and supported by big tech to isolate and swarm any company that dares to advertise on any non-pozzed platform.

    This isn't an apology, it's pathetic grovelling and pleading for clemency, which will, as always, fail to obtain any.

    Are you paying attention, President Trump? I'll bet that the sources of funding for Matt Rivitz and his cronies would be veeeery interesting to the IRS. And since the guy is an ad man, there's a potential tortious interference angle as well.

    Trump has shown that he will never do anything against people who viciously and illegally attack him.

  37. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:

    the JQ, steve. the JQ.

    its that simple.

    when will you wake up?

    there’s a scene in your favorite actor’s, paul walker, most famous movie where he’s trying to explain to his boss that there are subtle forces at work and his boss replies, “It was Dom. It was always Dom.” Turned out it was Dom.

    it’s the JQ, steve. it was always the JQ, steve.

  38. @International Jew
    Eh, not so sure I ever remember "populism" being a good thing. "Populism" is just what you call Democracy, when your side loses.

    In the US populism from the late 1800s to the early 1900s would probably be perceived as being good since it seems to have been more progressive, or left wing. Later populism in the US became more reactionary which is what we have with Trump in 2016.

    It’s not populism they hate, it’s reactionaries.

  39. @Buzz Mohawk
    The thing is, back when blacklisting was done in the "McCarthy Era," there really was communist infiltration in American media and government, and many of those who were blacklisted were indeed assisting the communist cause of subversion. Ron Unz has written about this.

    So, when blacklisting was a bad word, it was referring to something that was actually a good being done against, arguably, an evil. It was a bad word because the act was against those who controlled the discourse or "narrative," and who were assisting in the subversion.

    Now blacklisting is a good word, because it means something evil being done against what is good and right. This is because the idealogical heirs of past subversion are doing the same dirty work as always -- and defining the terms as usual.

    It all makes sense. Right?

    https://media.giphy.com/media/U4VXRfcY3zxTi/giphy.gif

    Ann Coulter covered McCarthy in her book Treason.

    • Agree: Endgame Napoleon
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    She gets it.

    (Have you noticed that she is invisible on television now that she is hammering Trump and his team on immigration?)

  40. You have to wonder about the profitability of some of the companies blacklisting or otherwise alienating potential customers. Other than in the back end of insurance, where the underwriters scare customers away by uprating their policies, I have never seen businesspeople try to alienate customers of any type. They certainly don’t do it in brick-and-mortar luxury sales businesses, even if the customer does not appear to be a likely sale, including in custom luxury sales where any potential customer requires a lot of work before the sale is closed.

    These internet companies are bold about marking customers off of their list.

    Genius algos must have probed the potential customer base of every viewer via privacy-demolishing means so thorough that the company knows for certain that this show’s viewers won’t ever use their product. If they are X age and hold X political view, and if their household income and household composition is X & X, they will never travel using our product, especially if they shop at X store, buying X product at X time of the day every X. Does this put you in the mood to buy? Even if you have the money, do you really want to be judged at the point of sale, much less beforehand?

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    I have never seen businesspeople try to alienate customers of any type.
     
    It's happening every single day. Woke Capital (which means the entire corporate sector) does not want political dissenters as customers. They are not worried about the financial consequences because they know that political dissenters are a very small and steadily shrinking minority.
  41. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    What a clever ploy! Shall we map it out:

    1. Gain control of practically all media including social, broadcast, print, etc. (I guess Fox News is the lone outpost?)
    2. Spread value system through control of practically all media ("diversity is strength and anyone opposed is a horrible bigot", etc.)
    3. Use control of practically all media to threaten advertisers of the badthink content in the lone outpost that contradicts the value system
    4. Advertisers pull out
    5. Since the badthink content in the lone outpost is now a financial liability, use fiduciary duty laws to force it to be removed

    It's perfectly legal and perfect censorship. Gradually I began to hate them.

    It’s perfectly legal and perfect censorship.

    And an excellent illustration of the worthlessness of the First Amendment.

  42. We should encourange conservatives to boycott Babbel for criticizing Tucker, and liberals to boycott Babbel because they advertised on FOX. I hope this company is completely driven out of business.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    We should encourange conservatives to boycott Babbel for criticizing Tucker
     
    Conservatives? If you mean mainstream conservatives then I'm afraid you're talking about people who are delighted to see any actual political dissent get crushed.

    If you mean dissident rightists the problem is that they're such a tiny minority that a boycott would have no effect.
  43. @Achmed E. Newman
    To whomever these Babbel people are (obviously not an American company):

    a) Tucker Carlson will be able to find other ads. I think he will sleep fine tonight.

    b) Do you know how few people actually pay attention to commercials, or more often, have the TV muted? I doubt 1/4 of the TV audience could have told you 2 minutes later whose ad had just been on during that break.

    c) I watch Tucker Carlson on youtube, not TV. I don't see your ads. This is why I have no idea what your company does, and worse yet, don't care.

    d) "Going forward", like "at the end of the day", is a decade-old corporate expression. It makes your company sound like a bunch of old pharts.

    e) SCREW YOU ALL!

    d) “Going forward”, like “at the end of the day”, is a decade-old corporate expression. It makes your company sound like a bunch of old pharts.

    I’ve always hated “Going forward…….”. When ever I’ve heard people say that I want to ask them: Going forward? Which other way would you go? You got a f**king time-machine in your pocket?

  44. @Clifford Brown
    I know screenwriters who still bring up Dalton Trumbo on at least a monthly basis.

    They renamed the fountain at my alma mater after Trumbo. He went there for a couple of years before setting out for L.A. and his career.

    The fountain was a free speech place, and they reasoned that Dalton Trumbo stood for that.

    Whatever.

    I did some comedy at an open mic there one day and was amazed that I could make fifty people laugh. On another occasion, I happened upon Alan Ginsburg reading “Birdbrain” there in front of a pathetically small group of perhaps five people. I stood there and listened to the angry man with the beard.

    I also thought like a good communist because that’s what my professors were teaching. It took a while to get over that.

    One time I was watching a traveling preacher preach at that Dalton Trumbo Fountain when suddenly the Oscar Mayer Weinermobile pulled up behind him. It was one of the most surreal juxtapositions I have ever seen. I laughed out loud.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    You sure it wasn't the Dickmobile?


    https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/default/poster/8/10/break/images-medium-private-5/1969-dickmobile-steve-paige.jpg


    http://americandigest.org/penis%20car.jpg

    , @Clifford Brown
    I also met Alan Ginsburg in person. He "liked them young" as they say.

    I wanted nothing to do with him.
  45. @istevefan
    Ann Coulter covered McCarthy in her book Treason.

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/900906615527944196

    She gets it.

    (Have you noticed that she is invisible on television now that she is hammering Trump and his team on immigration?)

  46. The fountain was a free speech place, and they reasoned that Dalton Trumbo stood for that.

    Trumbo was such a fink that he ratted out fans of one his own books to the FBI:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Got_His_Gun

    He was a creep. A talented creep to be sure, but still a creep.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Trumbo blacklisted his own novel!
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    Indeed he was.

    From your Wikilink:

    Serialized in the Daily Worker in March 1940, the book became "a rally point for the political left" which had opposed involvement in World War II during the period of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. Shortly after the 1941 German invasion of the Soviet Union, Trumbo and his publishers decided to suspend reprinting the book until the end of the war. After receiving letters from right-wing isolationists requesting copies of the book, Trumbo contacted the FBI and turned these letters over to them.
     
    Notice that he was only against American involvement when his fellow communists had a pact with Hitler -- and that he was happy to turn in "right wing" isolationists afterward.

    Who / Whom
  47. @Tiny Duck
    Facile false equivalency. There is good and evil

    When you give to
    @FoxNews
    , no matter the program, you are financing Tucker Carlson and all other white supremacist fluffers there.

    You need to decide what matters: Reaching lunatics or losing everyone else. Until you show a corporate conscience, Im not recommending babel anymore

    Who’s the audience anyway? Would anyone who watches Fox News want to learn another language anyway?

    Face it you guys are losing in the marketplace of ideas

    You need to decide what matters: Reaching lunatics or losing everyone else. Until you show a corporate conscience, Im not recommending babel anymore

    Good idea. Maybe you should learn English before you try to butcher any other language with your drug-induced ramblings.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    "Steve" is as sober as a nun. I'm the drug-induced rambler in these parts.
  48. @bomag

    See also ‘populism.’. That used to be a good thing — but is now a bad one.
     
    We're going to need a program to keep track of the changes:

    -- big corporate: was bad, now good

    -- blue collar union members: were good, now bad

    -- Boy Scouts: were good, now bad

    -- Third World population growth: was bad, now good

    -- communicable diseases: were bad, now good

    etc, etc.

    — Boy Scouts: were good, now bad

    No, they’re back to “good” again. They allow homos* on your son’s camping trips.

    These are the bad guys:

    *Kindle’s autocorrect changed this to “homie”. Don’t drink the water in Seattle!

    • Replies: @Alden
    Boy Scouts were good for about a year. Now they’re bad again because some unemployed attorneys have uncovered hundreds of cases of boys being molested by Scout leaders going back to 1905.

    The attorneys are advertising on TV for victims.

    NAMBLA members molesting 8 year olds good. Catholic clergy critters and Scout leaders molesting 16 year olds bad, very very bad.

    The Scouts aren’t as wealthy as the Catholic Church. But they do own some incredibly now expensive land they bought 100 or more years ago. There’s a billion dollars of Catalina Island Big Sur Yosemite adjacent, Marin San Mateo and other Counties Ski resort adjacent property in California alone
  49. @Mr. Anon

    The fountain was a free speech place, and they reasoned that Dalton Trumbo stood for that.
     
    Trumbo was such a fink that he ratted out fans of one his own books to the FBI:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Got_His_Gun

    He was a creep. A talented creep to be sure, but still a creep.

    Trumbo blacklisted his own novel!

    • Replies: @Larry, San Francisco
    yes, He wrote it around 1939-1940 when the Soviet Union was allied with Hitler. When his sponsor was invaded by Hitler the book was a bit of an embarrassment.
  50. @Buzz Mohawk
    They renamed the fountain at my alma mater after Trumbo. He went there for a couple of years before setting out for L.A. and his career.

    The fountain was a free speech place, and they reasoned that Dalton Trumbo stood for that.

    Whatever.

    I did some comedy at an open mic there one day and was amazed that I could make fifty people laugh. On another occasion, I happened upon Alan Ginsburg reading "Birdbrain" there in front of a pathetically small group of perhaps five people. I stood there and listened to the angry man with the beard.

    I also thought like a good communist because that's what my professors were teaching. It took a while to get over that.

    One time I was watching a traveling preacher preach at that Dalton Trumbo Fountain when suddenly the Oscar Mayer Weinermobile pulled up behind him. It was one of the most surreal juxtapositions I have ever seen. I laughed out loud.

    https://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/images/wi/WIMADwiener_sandefur_620x300.jpg

    You sure it wasn’t the Dickmobile?


  51. Only the dumbest Mainstream Conservative thought the Left was actually against blacklisting. When they were raising Hell about Commies being blacklisted, it was only because they wanted to protect their own.

    Of course, the real game is to shut down dissent.

  52. @Reg Cæsar
    Trumbo blacklisted his own novel!

    yes, He wrote it around 1939-1940 when the Soviet Union was allied with Hitler. When his sponsor was invaded by Hitler the book was a bit of an embarrassment.

  53. @Mr. Anon

    The fountain was a free speech place, and they reasoned that Dalton Trumbo stood for that.
     
    Trumbo was such a fink that he ratted out fans of one his own books to the FBI:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Got_His_Gun

    He was a creep. A talented creep to be sure, but still a creep.

    Indeed he was.

    From your Wikilink:

    Serialized in the Daily Worker in March 1940, the book became “a rally point for the political left” which had opposed involvement in World War II during the period of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. Shortly after the 1941 German invasion of the Soviet Union, Trumbo and his publishers decided to suspend reprinting the book until the end of the war. After receiving letters from right-wing isolationists requesting copies of the book, Trumbo contacted the FBI and turned these letters over to them.

    Notice that he was only against American involvement when his fellow communists had a pact with Hitler — and that he was happy to turn in “right wing” isolationists afterward.

    Who / Whom

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor

    Notice that he was only against American involvement when his fellow communists had a pact with Hitler — and that he was happy to turn in “right wing” isolationists afterward.
     
    Commies are the worst. And they are still around, only the tags they go by have changed.
  54. @Buzz Mohawk
    They renamed the fountain at my alma mater after Trumbo. He went there for a couple of years before setting out for L.A. and his career.

    The fountain was a free speech place, and they reasoned that Dalton Trumbo stood for that.

    Whatever.

    I did some comedy at an open mic there one day and was amazed that I could make fifty people laugh. On another occasion, I happened upon Alan Ginsburg reading "Birdbrain" there in front of a pathetically small group of perhaps five people. I stood there and listened to the angry man with the beard.

    I also thought like a good communist because that's what my professors were teaching. It took a while to get over that.

    One time I was watching a traveling preacher preach at that Dalton Trumbo Fountain when suddenly the Oscar Mayer Weinermobile pulled up behind him. It was one of the most surreal juxtapositions I have ever seen. I laughed out loud.

    https://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/images/wi/WIMADwiener_sandefur_620x300.jpg

    I also met Alan Ginsburg in person. He “liked them young” as they say.

    I wanted nothing to do with him.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    There's this episode of Firing Line with Jack Kerouac, with Ginsberg in the audience, worth watching in its own right, amd worth seeing just for Kerouac distinguishing between beatniks and hippies (whom he regarded as lazy criminals). It also has the peculiar feature of Kerouac early in the show going to lengths to disrespect Ginsberg and trying to not be associated with him. I wonder if that was a kind of joke or if that was a result of learning about Ginsberg's proclivities.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYgv7ur8ipg
  55. @Buzz Mohawk
    Indeed he was.

    From your Wikilink:

    Serialized in the Daily Worker in March 1940, the book became "a rally point for the political left" which had opposed involvement in World War II during the period of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. Shortly after the 1941 German invasion of the Soviet Union, Trumbo and his publishers decided to suspend reprinting the book until the end of the war. After receiving letters from right-wing isolationists requesting copies of the book, Trumbo contacted the FBI and turned these letters over to them.
     
    Notice that he was only against American involvement when his fellow communists had a pact with Hitler -- and that he was happy to turn in "right wing" isolationists afterward.

    Who / Whom

    Notice that he was only against American involvement when his fellow communists had a pact with Hitler — and that he was happy to turn in “right wing” isolationists afterward.

    Commies are the worst. And they are still around, only the tags they go by have changed.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    "Communism" is their ersatz religion and as such the mirror image of "National Socialism" in Germany. As Chesterton wrote, people who cease to believe in God are capable of believing in anything.
  56. Lovecraftian Horror in Marketing!

    we did not know it would air on a show so repugnant and at odds with our mission and values

    What are their mission and values? I thought they sell language-skill-improvement courses?

    Bad. Like very bad. Like so bad if it stays this bad Fox News’ shareholders will sue breaching fiduciary duty bad. https://t.co/1Q5iisaJtE

    — Angelo Carusone (@GoAngelo) April 1, 2019

    This is a complete misconstruction of “fiduciary duty”. “Fiduciary duty” is not about removing everything and anything that doesn’t throw off enough shekels. It’s about good management (which seems to be rare in any case).

  57. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    What a clever ploy! Shall we map it out:

    1. Gain control of practically all media including social, broadcast, print, etc. (I guess Fox News is the lone outpost?)
    2. Spread value system through control of practically all media ("diversity is strength and anyone opposed is a horrible bigot", etc.)
    3. Use control of practically all media to threaten advertisers of the badthink content in the lone outpost that contradicts the value system
    4. Advertisers pull out
    5. Since the badthink content in the lone outpost is now a financial liability, use fiduciary duty laws to force it to be removed

    It's perfectly legal and perfect censorship. Gradually I began to hate them.

    That phrase is making a comeback.

  58. @Clifford Brown
    I know screenwriters who still bring up Dalton Trumbo on at least a monthly basis.

    To they bring up his “Hitler is a victim of British propaganda” writings?

    • Replies: @anon
    I can't bring myself to look it up, but I've seen that "Johnny got his Gun" (the only thing anyone remembers he wrote) got him in a bit of trouble with the Party, since it was written to support the "only capitalist warmongers want another war" line during the H/S pact. Had to do some woke-style grovelling, I recall. Needless to say, not mentioned in the movie.
  59. @Achmed E. Newman
    To whomever these Babbel people are (obviously not an American company):

    a) Tucker Carlson will be able to find other ads. I think he will sleep fine tonight.

    b) Do you know how few people actually pay attention to commercials, or more often, have the TV muted? I doubt 1/4 of the TV audience could have told you 2 minutes later whose ad had just been on during that break.

    c) I watch Tucker Carlson on youtube, not TV. I don't see your ads. This is why I have no idea what your company does, and worse yet, don't care.

    d) "Going forward", like "at the end of the day", is a decade-old corporate expression. It makes your company sound like a bunch of old pharts.

    e) SCREW YOU ALL!

    Babbel is a German corporation. Germany has a long history of blacklisting – I believe the 1930s were particularly ‘woke’ in that regard.

    It’s a language learning app wot you pay for.

    https://about.babbel.com/en/about-us/

    The picture of Chief Product Officer Geoff Stead makes me ashamed to be British.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    The picture of Chief Product Officer Geoff Stead makes me ashamed to be British.
     
    Black clothing? Check.

    Problem glasses? Check.

    Soylent grin? Check.

    Hipster status............confirmed.
    , @Cowboy shaw
    I suspect that guy enjoys some of the more exotic Berlin night spots.
    , @Anonymous
    The picture of Chief Product Officer Geoff Stead makes me ashamed to be British male.
    , @bored identity
    Continuing to model our future after The Tower of Babble principals is the best guaranty that Weimerica's XXI Century will be inevitable her last as well.
  60. @Kratoklastes

    Do you know how few people actually pay attention to commercials, or more often, have the TV muted? I doubt 1/4 of the TV audience could have told you 2 minutes later whose ad had just been on during that break.
     
    True - but think how breathtakingly stupid someone has to be to actively watch advertisements. "A fool and his money are soon parted" never rang truer.

    But adverts do seem to work on susceptible audiences (i.e. women).

    My wife mainly drinks ground coffee, but we always have instant in the house, and I have noticed over the years that she occasionally switches brands – and the switch is always to whichever brand is being most heavily promoted on TV. I’m sure it’s completely unconscious.

    Our trajectory has been Gold Blend – Kenco – Douwe Egberts – majority owned by the Riemann family (probably an integrated business then?), and people who make suppliers wait up to 300 days before payment. Ain’t oligopoly grand?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-30/buy-now-pay-later-helps-jab-billionaires-build-beverage-empire

  61. @Paul
    "While we did place our ad with Fox, we did not know it would air on a show so repugnant and at odds with our mission and values."


    What are those values -- other than the value of the Benjamins?

    Steve, you’re an old hand at market research. Do you think these corporate henchmen at Babbel were oblivious that they were buying valuable Tucker Carlson airtime on Fox? Maybe their minions were just writing a big cheque and hoping for Lou Dobbs?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Among cable audiences Tucker has to be near the top SES/IQ-wise so would be a natural target for a language-learning company. Among social-media audiences the mass market is the woke as SJWism moves downscale, but if Babbel is smart they'll recognize that that set is too busy LARPing to learn anything, let alone something as time-consuming as a new language.

    Of course social media managers are hired from that demo so companies rarely figure that sort of thing out.
  62. Can they still call it Blaclisting, as if to imply that Black is bad?

  63. @216
    The left has mused about filing "fiduciary duty" lawsuits against FOX for keeping Carlson on the air when they can't get WokeCapital to buy ad slots.

    https://twitter.com/GoAngelo/status/1112862012218933248

    Some rumors have claimed Carlson is dependent on the patronage of Lachlan Murdoch.

    They will not allow us anything.

    Say, isn’t that what Robert Duvall’s “evil” character in Network says about the news division of UBS?
    Written by a blacklist fetishist, of course.

  64. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Steve

    "it's striking how the word 'blacklisting' has gone..."

    Oh come now, it's not striking at all. You're the main guy who popularized the Who/Whom dynamic for English speakers, you should know better.

    Quite obviously, blacklisting was very, very bad, very double-plus ungood double-secret BAAAAD way back in the Before-fore Timey-times, back when (((Our Bestest Friends Forever))) were in danger of being blacklisted for oh, y'know, just trying to betray, subvert and destroy the country they lived in. But now that (((Our Bestest Friends))) are fully in charge, and control ALL the choke-points and shock-collars of ALL media, finance, judicial, corporate, academic and governmental fulcrums going forward, blacklisting is just going to be Jim-dandy from here on out.

    Come on, you understand this, boychik, right? And if you don't, you can just kiss your platform, your credit cards and your bank accounts off to Lower Slobovia.

    That was such a nice, shiny Gem of the Theory of Disease…

  65. anon[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer
    To they bring up his "Hitler is a victim of British propaganda" writings?

    I can’t bring myself to look it up, but I’ve seen that “Johnny got his Gun” (the only thing anyone remembers he wrote) got him in a bit of trouble with the Party, since it was written to support the “only capitalist warmongers want another war” line during the H/S pact. Had to do some woke-style grovelling, I recall. Needless to say, not mentioned in the movie.

  66. @YetAnotherAnon
    Babbel is a German corporation. Germany has a long history of blacklisting - I believe the 1930s were particularly 'woke' in that regard.

    It's a language learning app wot you pay for.

    https://about.babbel.com/en/about-us/

    The picture of Chief Product Officer Geoff Stead makes me ashamed to be British.

    https://about.babbel.com/shared/managers/gstead.jpg

    The picture of Chief Product Officer Geoff Stead makes me ashamed to be British.

    Black clothing? Check.

    Problem glasses? Check.

    Soylent grin? Check.

    Hipster status…………confirmed.

  67. @YetAnotherAnon
    Babbel is a German corporation. Germany has a long history of blacklisting - I believe the 1930s were particularly 'woke' in that regard.

    It's a language learning app wot you pay for.

    https://about.babbel.com/en/about-us/

    The picture of Chief Product Officer Geoff Stead makes me ashamed to be British.

    https://about.babbel.com/shared/managers/gstead.jpg

    I suspect that guy enjoys some of the more exotic Berlin night spots.

  68. @Another Canadian
    Steve, you're an old hand at market research. Do you think these corporate henchmen at Babbel were oblivious that they were buying valuable Tucker Carlson airtime on Fox? Maybe their minions were just writing a big cheque and hoping for Lou Dobbs?

    Among cable audiences Tucker has to be near the top SES/IQ-wise so would be a natural target for a language-learning company. Among social-media audiences the mass market is the woke as SJWism moves downscale, but if Babbel is smart they’ll recognize that that set is too busy LARPing to learn anything, let alone something as time-consuming as a new language.

    Of course social media managers are hired from that demo so companies rarely figure that sort of thing out.

    • Replies: @J.Ross

    but if Babbel is smart they’ll recognize that that set is too busy LARPing to learn anything
     
    This is true, a lot of language learning is like gym membership.
  69. NYMOM says:

    Blacklisting has never really gone away…it has been used, mainly by the left, to shut down free speech on TV, in the newspapers, on campus and public schools for years now…

    People can be pressured to quit their jobs and even voluntary positions due to this pressure.

    It is just another more virulent form of virtue signaling…

  70. @utu
    De Tocqueville

    I think the species of oppression by which democratic nations are menaced is unlike anything that ever before existed in the world; our contemporaries will find no prototype in their memories. I seek in vain for an expression that will accurately convey the whole of the idea I have formed of it; the old words despotism and tyranny are inappropriate: the thing itself is new, and , since I cannot name it, I must attempt to define it…
     

    Above this race of men stands an immense and tutelary power, which takes it upon itself alone to secure their gratifications and to watch over their fate. That power is absolute, minute, regular, provident and mild. It would be like the authority of a parent if, like that authority, its object was to prepare men for manhood; but it seeks, on the contrary, to keep them in a perpetual state of childhood: it is well content that people should rejoice, provided they think of nothing but rejoicing. For their happiness, such a government willingly labors, but it chooses to be the sole agent and the only arbiter of that happiness; it provides for their security, foresees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasures, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry, regulates the descent of property, and subdivides their inheritances: what remains, but to spare them all the care of thinking and all the trouble of living?

    Thus it every day renders the exercise of the free agency of man less useful and less frequent; it circumscribes the will within a narrower range and gradually robs a man of all the uses of himself. The principle of equality has prepared men for these things; it has predisposed men to endure them as benefits.

    After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small, complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals of which the government is the shepherd.
     

    The genius of DeT was that he had no illusions about “democracy”, that it, too, could succumb to the instinct to wield the lash just like any other system of government, hence the origin of the phrase “eternal vigilance is the price of liberty”.

    “Vigilance” is a commodity which doesn’t exist anymore–if in fact it ever did. Which is why we slowly flow down the toilet.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Half his family was wiped out by zealous Masonic lawyers in the revolution. So he knew the dangers of democracy very well.
  71. @RichardTaylor

    Notice that he was only against American involvement when his fellow communists had a pact with Hitler — and that he was happy to turn in “right wing” isolationists afterward.
     
    Commies are the worst. And they are still around, only the tags they go by have changed.

    “Communism” is their ersatz religion and as such the mirror image of “National Socialism” in Germany. As Chesterton wrote, people who cease to believe in God are capable of believing in anything.

  72. @Tiny Duck
    Facile false equivalency. There is good and evil

    When you give to
    @FoxNews
    , no matter the program, you are financing Tucker Carlson and all other white supremacist fluffers there.

    You need to decide what matters: Reaching lunatics or losing everyone else. Until you show a corporate conscience, Im not recommending babel anymore

    Who’s the audience anyway? Would anyone who watches Fox News want to learn another language anyway?

    Face it you guys are losing in the marketplace of ideas

    Stop smearing that white paste on your wiener. It’s disgusting. Putting anything but mustard on your hotdog, especially mayonnaise, makes you a deviant. Oh wait, I forgot you’re a pseudonym.

  73. @Mr. Anon

    You need to decide what matters: Reaching lunatics or losing everyone else. Until you show a corporate conscience, Im not recommending babel anymore
     
    Good idea. Maybe you should learn English before you try to butcher any other language with your drug-induced ramblings.

    “Steve” is as sober as a nun. I’m the drug-induced rambler in these parts.

  74. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    Babbel is a German corporation. Germany has a long history of blacklisting - I believe the 1930s were particularly 'woke' in that regard.

    It's a language learning app wot you pay for.

    https://about.babbel.com/en/about-us/

    The picture of Chief Product Officer Geoff Stead makes me ashamed to be British.

    https://about.babbel.com/shared/managers/gstead.jpg

    The picture of Chief Product Officer Geoff Stead makes me ashamed to be British male.

  75. Alden says:
    @Clifford Brown
    I know screenwriters who still bring up Dalton Trumbo on at least a monthly basis.

    I watch Turner classic movies because it’s the only channel that doesn’t have ADs. But the little ten minute intervals between movies are usually anti McCarthy pro communist actors writers directors propaganda.

    Film schools and even the one history of film courses a lot of undergrads take as one of the general ED requirements just blast the anti McCarthy pro communist line. A conspiracy theorists like I might think the history of film courses are in the curriculum for the purpose of pro communist anti McCarthy propaganda than studying old movies.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    Eddie Muller, host of Noir Alley, wails about the "witch-hunts" every time he can. Nicholas Stix calls him "Red Eddie."

    Funny thing, when Eddie plays it straight, he gives excellent commentary.
  76. @Tiny Duck
    Facile false equivalency. There is good and evil

    When you give to
    @FoxNews
    , no matter the program, you are financing Tucker Carlson and all other white supremacist fluffers there.

    You need to decide what matters: Reaching lunatics or losing everyone else. Until you show a corporate conscience, Im not recommending babel anymore

    Who’s the audience anyway? Would anyone who watches Fox News want to learn another language anyway?

    Face it you guys are losing in the marketplace of ideas

    we’re losing in the marketplace of gibsmedat

  77. @Prester John
    The genius of DeT was that he had no illusions about "democracy", that it, too, could succumb to the instinct to wield the lash just like any other system of government, hence the origin of the phrase "eternal vigilance is the price of liberty".

    "Vigilance" is a commodity which doesn't exist anymore--if in fact it ever did. Which is why we slowly flow down the toilet.

    Half his family was wiped out by zealous Masonic lawyers in the revolution. So he knew the dangers of democracy very well.

  78. Alden says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    — Boy Scouts: were good, now bad
     
    No, they're back to "good" again. They allow homos* on your son's camping trips.

    These are the bad guys:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xTbSygBCGPg

    *Kindle's autocorrect changed this to "homie". Don't drink the water in Seattle!

    Boy Scouts were good for about a year. Now they’re bad again because some unemployed attorneys have uncovered hundreds of cases of boys being molested by Scout leaders going back to 1905.

    The attorneys are advertising on TV for victims.

    NAMBLA members molesting 8 year olds good. Catholic clergy critters and Scout leaders molesting 16 year olds bad, very very bad.

    The Scouts aren’t as wealthy as the Catholic Church. But they do own some incredibly now expensive land they bought 100 or more years ago. There’s a billion dollars of Catalina Island Big Sur Yosemite adjacent, Marin San Mateo and other Counties Ski resort adjacent property in California alone

  79. @Desiderius
    Among cable audiences Tucker has to be near the top SES/IQ-wise so would be a natural target for a language-learning company. Among social-media audiences the mass market is the woke as SJWism moves downscale, but if Babbel is smart they'll recognize that that set is too busy LARPing to learn anything, let alone something as time-consuming as a new language.

    Of course social media managers are hired from that demo so companies rarely figure that sort of thing out.

    but if Babbel is smart they’ll recognize that that set is too busy LARPing to learn anything

    This is true, a lot of language learning is like gym membership.

  80. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Clifford Brown
    I also met Alan Ginsburg in person. He "liked them young" as they say.

    I wanted nothing to do with him.

    There’s this episode of Firing Line with Jack Kerouac, with Ginsberg in the audience, worth watching in its own right, amd worth seeing just for Kerouac distinguishing between beatniks and hippies (whom he regarded as lazy criminals). It also has the peculiar feature of Kerouac early in the show going to lengths to disrespect Ginsberg and trying to not be associated with him. I wonder if that was a kind of joke or if that was a result of learning about Ginsberg’s proclivities.

  81. @YetAnotherAnon
    Babbel is a German corporation. Germany has a long history of blacklisting - I believe the 1930s were particularly 'woke' in that regard.

    It's a language learning app wot you pay for.

    https://about.babbel.com/en/about-us/

    The picture of Chief Product Officer Geoff Stead makes me ashamed to be British.

    https://about.babbel.com/shared/managers/gstead.jpg

    Continuing to model our future after The Tower of Babble principals is the best guaranty that Weimerica’s XXI Century will be inevitable her last as well.

  82. @utu
    De Tocqueville

    I think the species of oppression by which democratic nations are menaced is unlike anything that ever before existed in the world; our contemporaries will find no prototype in their memories. I seek in vain for an expression that will accurately convey the whole of the idea I have formed of it; the old words despotism and tyranny are inappropriate: the thing itself is new, and , since I cannot name it, I must attempt to define it…
     

    Above this race of men stands an immense and tutelary power, which takes it upon itself alone to secure their gratifications and to watch over their fate. That power is absolute, minute, regular, provident and mild. It would be like the authority of a parent if, like that authority, its object was to prepare men for manhood; but it seeks, on the contrary, to keep them in a perpetual state of childhood: it is well content that people should rejoice, provided they think of nothing but rejoicing. For their happiness, such a government willingly labors, but it chooses to be the sole agent and the only arbiter of that happiness; it provides for their security, foresees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasures, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry, regulates the descent of property, and subdivides their inheritances: what remains, but to spare them all the care of thinking and all the trouble of living?

    Thus it every day renders the exercise of the free agency of man less useful and less frequent; it circumscribes the will within a narrower range and gradually robs a man of all the uses of himself. The principle of equality has prepared men for these things; it has predisposed men to endure them as benefits.

    After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small, complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals of which the government is the shepherd.
     

    THat’s strange I don’t remember Bill Moyers reading those passages back in the 70s PBS mini series

    • Replies: @utu
    Perhaps because of this:


    "Nothing is more embarrassing in the ordinary intercourse of life than this irritable patriotism of the Americans. A stranger may be very well inclined to praise many of the institutions of their country, but he begs permission to blame some of the peculiarities which he observes – a permission which is, however, inexorably refused. America is therefore a free country, in which, lest anybody should be hurt by your remarks, you are not allowed to speak freely of private individuals, or of the State, of the citizens or of the authorities, of public or of private undertakings, or, in short, of anything at all, except it be of the climate and the soil; and even then Americans will be found ready to defend either the one or the other, as if they had been contrived by the inhabitants of the country." - Tocqueville
  83. Blacklisting’s okay then?! Cool let’s get to blacklisting the outfits in America that put Israel first.

  84. utu says:
    @anon
    THat's strange I don't remember Bill Moyers reading those passages back in the 70s PBS mini series

    Perhaps because of this:

    “Nothing is more embarrassing in the ordinary intercourse of life than this irritable patriotism of the Americans. A stranger may be very well inclined to praise many of the institutions of their country, but he begs permission to blame some of the peculiarities which he observes – a permission which is, however, inexorably refused. America is therefore a free country, in which, lest anybody should be hurt by your remarks, you are not allowed to speak freely of private individuals, or of the State, of the citizens or of the authorities, of public or of private undertakings, or, in short, of anything at all, except it be of the climate and the soil; and even then Americans will be found ready to defend either the one or the other, as if they had been contrived by the inhabitants of the country.” – Tocqueville

  85. tucker: honest and growing.
    hannity: a greedy weasel.

  86. @Achmed E. Newman
    To whomever these Babbel people are (obviously not an American company):

    a) Tucker Carlson will be able to find other ads. I think he will sleep fine tonight.

    b) Do you know how few people actually pay attention to commercials, or more often, have the TV muted? I doubt 1/4 of the TV audience could have told you 2 minutes later whose ad had just been on during that break.

    c) I watch Tucker Carlson on youtube, not TV. I don't see your ads. This is why I have no idea what your company does, and worse yet, don't care.

    d) "Going forward", like "at the end of the day", is a decade-old corporate expression. It makes your company sound like a bunch of old pharts.

    e) SCREW YOU ALL!

    a) Tucker Carlson will be able to find other ads. I think he will sleep fine tonight.

    If he’s not worried then he’s a fool. He has been targeted for destruction. He will be destroyed. The campaign of destruction will be relentless and will not end until he has been silenced.

  87. @Endgame Napoleon
    You have to wonder about the profitability of some of the companies blacklisting or otherwise alienating potential customers. Other than in the back end of insurance, where the underwriters scare customers away by uprating their policies, I have never seen businesspeople try to alienate customers of any type. They certainly don’t do it in brick-and-mortar luxury sales businesses, even if the customer does not appear to be a likely sale, including in custom luxury sales where any potential customer requires a lot of work before the sale is closed.

    These internet companies are bold about marking customers off of their list.

    Genius algos must have probed the potential customer base of every viewer via privacy-demolishing means so thorough that the company knows for certain that this show’s viewers won’t ever use their product. If they are X age and hold X political view, and if their household income and household composition is X & X, they will never travel using our product, especially if they shop at X store, buying X product at X time of the day every X. Does this put you in the mood to buy? Even if you have the money, do you really want to be judged at the point of sale, much less beforehand?

    I have never seen businesspeople try to alienate customers of any type.

    It’s happening every single day. Woke Capital (which means the entire corporate sector) does not want political dissenters as customers. They are not worried about the financial consequences because they know that political dissenters are a very small and steadily shrinking minority.

  88. @Mr. Anon
    We should encourange conservatives to boycott Babbel for criticizing Tucker, and liberals to boycott Babbel because they advertised on FOX. I hope this company is completely driven out of business.

    We should encourange conservatives to boycott Babbel for criticizing Tucker

    Conservatives? If you mean mainstream conservatives then I’m afraid you’re talking about people who are delighted to see any actual political dissent get crushed.

    If you mean dissident rightists the problem is that they’re such a tiny minority that a boycott would have no effect.

  89. @Kratoklastes

    Do you know how few people actually pay attention to commercials, or more often, have the TV muted? I doubt 1/4 of the TV audience could have told you 2 minutes later whose ad had just been on during that break.
     
    True - but think how breathtakingly stupid someone has to be to actively watch advertisements. "A fool and his money are soon parted" never rang truer.

    ‘True – but think how breathtakingly stupid someone has to be to actively watch advertisements…’

    Meh. At least it’s understood the advertisement is promoting a product. Can you say the same for the program itself?

  90. gp says:
    @Clifford Brown
    I know screenwriters who still bring up Dalton Trumbo on at least a monthly basis.

    What was it about the 1950’s blacklist that was so atrocious? It affected maybe 20 guys, and hardly at all, right? Trumbo seemed to have a very satisfying life, blacklisted or not; I don’t think he missed any meals. Nobody was imprisoned or shot or even stopped from writing. I remember an Oscars ceremony sometime back where everybody flagellated themselves and rent garments over how AWFUL the blacklist was. WTF? Compare it to 2019, where any poor schmuck expressing his honest heterodox opinion destroys his career for real.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    What was it about the 1950’s blacklist that was so atrocious? It affected maybe 20 guys, and hardly at all, right?
     
    In one of her books Ann Coulter comments that some of the blacklisted writers were so badly affected they had to let some of their servants go.
  91. What was it about the 1950’s blacklist that was so atrocious?

    Rgith. Most of the black listed guys continued to work/write under assumed names.

  92. @Alden
    I watch Turner classic movies because it’s the only channel that doesn’t have ADs. But the little ten minute intervals between movies are usually anti McCarthy pro communist actors writers directors propaganda.

    Film schools and even the one history of film courses a lot of undergrads take as one of the general ED requirements just blast the anti McCarthy pro communist line. A conspiracy theorists like I might think the history of film courses are in the curriculum for the purpose of pro communist anti McCarthy propaganda than studying old movies.

    Eddie Muller, host of Noir Alley, wails about the “witch-hunts” every time he can. Nicholas Stix calls him “Red Eddie.”

    Funny thing, when Eddie plays it straight, he gives excellent commentary.

  93. @gp
    What was it about the 1950's blacklist that was so atrocious? It affected maybe 20 guys, and hardly at all, right? Trumbo seemed to have a very satisfying life, blacklisted or not; I don't think he missed any meals. Nobody was imprisoned or shot or even stopped from writing. I remember an Oscars ceremony sometime back where everybody flagellated themselves and rent garments over how AWFUL the blacklist was. WTF? Compare it to 2019, where any poor schmuck expressing his honest heterodox opinion destroys his career for real.

    What was it about the 1950’s blacklist that was so atrocious? It affected maybe 20 guys, and hardly at all, right?

    In one of her books Ann Coulter comments that some of the blacklisted writers were so badly affected they had to let some of their servants go.

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