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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

Wakanda Blockbuster Is This?
by Steve Sailer

February 21, 2018

Stalin famously had a buzzer installed to let his sweating henchmen know when it was finally safe to stop applauding the Great Leader without fear of being sent to the Gulag.

In this era when it’s nearly mandatory to greet each new black cultural product as effusively as if it were a cross between the Five Year Plan and a Special Olympics gold medalist, it’s difficult to tell the frauds, such as Kehinde Wiley, the self-promoting Photoshopper culpable for Obama’s humiliatingly inept official portrait, from the sincere mediocrities, such as Ta-Nehisi Coates, from the competent professionals, such as Ryan Coogler, director of the vastly overhyped but not-bad movie Black Panther.

Still, Black Panther is more interesting than entertaining, being short on humor and star power. …

On the plus side, Black Panther’s blatant conservatism is an intriguing example of how most of this decade’s cultural energies are flowing toward the right, even when disguised by worship of blacks.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  2. God you’re an awful writer. If you were my student in high school English, I would return your essay so that you could write a final paragraph that even remotely served the purpose of a final paragraph.

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    Janitor's probably more your speed, if they let you go within 1000 yds of a school.
    , @El Dato
    Maybe it's because he's writing of Black History?
    , @anonymous

    If you were my student in high school English, I would return your essay so that you could write a final paragraph that even remotely served the purpose of a final paragraph.
     
    And what the heck is this? Are you drunk, Shakespeare?
    , @Eustace Tilley (not)
    In Tea is the entrance made low;
    Whether fisherman, priest, or daimyo,
    Every person must bow.
    To be humble is Tao.
    Seek to follow the Way and you'll know.
    , @Elmer T. Jones
    Even the title is wrong. Should read "Wakanda Blockbuster This Is?".
    , @Coemgen

    God you’re an awful writer. If you were my student in high school English, I would return your essay so that you could write a final paragraph that even remotely served the purpose of a final paragraph.
     
    Nihil nole sub sole.
    , @Mr. Anon
    I can't remember anything you've ever written.
    , @Clyde
    Insulting your host means you are a slob who feels compelled to let it all hang out. As if you are on Oprah or Ellen. If you feel this way far better to zip your lips. afaik You usually make good comments.
    , @Henry's Cat
    An early contender for Most Passive-Aggressive Comment of the year award.
    , @whorefinder
    lol. AndrewR, who has worked so hard for Media Matters to hide his trollness, now exposes himself fully as a little paid troll.

    Back to David Brock with you, Soros-bot!
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  3. He just threw in Lesotho in his remarks for sake of black pride. Of course, Wakanda is really based on Western cities and Western Sci-fi fantasy.

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    But I think Coogler liked the idea of Africans and snow. There is a lot of snow in "Black Panther." Lesotho is around 29 degrees south latitude and gets up to about 11,400 feet, which is pretty similar to Southern California's biggest mountains, which are often snow-covered in winter. (It's currently 17 degrees F in Big Bear, CA at 6,700 feet.) There's a small ski resort in Lesotho:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afriski

    Lesotho is said by Wikipedia to have either a "temperate" or "continental" climate:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Lesotho#/media/File:Snowfall_Lesotho_2.jpg

    Maseru, the capital of Lesotho, is about a mile high, same as Denver. The average July low temperature in Maseru, the capital of Lesotho, is a couple of degrees below freezing.

    It's not crazy to think that if blacks evolved for another 10,000 years or so in Lesotho with its cold winters, that they'd be different.
    , @Pat Boyle
    Maybe in LA Ryan Coogler looks like a real movie maker but here in Oakland some of us are not sympathetic. He appears, on the evidence, to be a propagandist for black nationalist political groups.

    In 2009 there were two big racial murder events. One was by a black guy against multiple white cops (the black killer was named Mixon) and one was by a white cop against a single black petty criminal was named Oscar Grant. The black murderer Mixon killed four white cops and seriously wounded a fifth. Mixon, shot the two cops who were trying to ticket him for a minor traffic offense. The Oakland and Bay Area communities quickly mobilized to try and catch the killer. But the Mixon had set up an ambush and killed two more white cops. Finally a final white cop (Patrick Gonzalez ) shot it out with Mixon and killed him. Gonzalez himself was shot in the exchange and seriously wounded.

    In the other incident (the Fruitvale Station incident) the white cop shot a black guy apparently in a bizarre accident.

    The incidents were just a few months apart. The first in January was the Fruitvale Station incident which Coogler portrayed in his movie "Fruitvale". The second in March is less well known because no Hollywood movie has been made about it.

    Mixon was a habitual criminal and rapist who liked to prey on young girls. He was a violent career criminal. The white cop in the Fruitvale incident Johannes Mehserle was a relatively inexperienced cop who had only recently been trained on the Tazer.

    Mehserle was heard to say something to the effect that he was going to Taze Oscar Grant because Grant was refusing to obey orders. But Mehserle pulled out his pistol (a Sig Sauer in .40 S&W) instead of his Tazer. He shot Grant and then expressed immediate shock at what he had done.

    There were many witnesses and many videos which can be seen on YouTube. The Fruitvale station is well lit. There is no doubt that Grant was shot but the subsequent black rioters and Coogler chose to believe that it was a deliberate execution. If so Mehserle chose a very public place to do his crime.

    The March shootings were - you would think - far more dramatic but the black director Coogler seemed to have no interest in recounting the much more serious multiple murders in Oakland.

    Coogler I'm forced to conclude is just another black racist.
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  4. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I haven’t seen the film, but from reading various discussions (mostly on badthought sites), it seems Wakanda is supposed to be a mix of Lesotho and Liberia. Of course, an actual mix of Lesotho and Liberia would look nothing like the Wakanda in the film, and would probably be more like Sierra Leone.

    Trying to meld any sort of traditional values with modernity is extremely hard. Those who succeed at this in any way tend to end up getting recognized as major historical figures. The Saudi Crown Prince might be trying something of this sort. Paul Kagame in Rwanda seems to be trying something of this sort. Success is not certain.

    Of course, some badthought types think this is what we need too, and they are probably right. There’s little easy about it.

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    I haven't seen the movie, just the trailers, but the pictures of the capital of Wakanda shown in the trailers remind me a lot of Johannesburg, which I have been to. Johannesburg notoriously sits directly on top of magic dirt.

    Sub Saharan African cultures before the nineteenth century were not noted for being urban, so the continent's cities (Sahel being a possible exception) were at least planned by European colonizers. Over time they became more African, and I can believe that an African country that managed to keep its independence, which historically only Ethiopia did, and unlike Ethiopia had minerals to trade to get the capital, would build something like the capital of Wakanda.
    , @Daniel Chieh

    Of course, some badthought types think this is what we need too, and they are probably right. There’s little easy about it.

     

    I think its interesting to explore at any rate; most fictional considerations of it rarely seem to address the vast social, living standard and capital changes caused by modernity as we know it and how traditional mores would need to handle or scale for it.
    , @Pat Boyle
    I haven't seen the movie either but then again I have some mobility issues which have kept me out of commercial movie theaters for about ten years. I fell off a cliff back then and I have been watching movies from my Home Theater ever since. I will watch Black Panther probably on cable next fall. But if I could get around a bit more easily I would definitely have gone out and bought a ticket.

    Why? Because I have low common tastes. I like superhero comic book character films and I like ones with black characters. I saw all the Blade movies (I also like vampire films). Wesley Snipes I understand wanted to play the Black Panther part. Instead of the 'dangerous' and controversial Snipes they chose the black guy who played Jackie Robinson - a black hero who was renowned for being sweeet and enduring white insults.

    I also really liked Will Smith as the amusing black superhero "Hancock". So rather than being the first black superhero movie as some have claimed, the Black Panther is merely the most recent in a long chain of black guys in tights flying around the sky doing stuff.

    But of course at least half of all these comic book adventure movies are dreadful. The best one recently was Marvel's "Ant Man". The worst one was probably "Green Lantern". But no one seems able to make a series of comic book films that are consistently of high quality.

    For example, the first Batman was good. The second (with Danny De Vito) was terrible. The first two Spider-Man films were good but the third was embarrassing The first Superman movie was delightful but it was followed by a whole series of cheap crappy Superman knock offs.

    Are we beginning to see a pattern here?

    We have had other series like John Wayne Westerns or James Bond spy adventures. Some of these were better than the others but in general these series movies were reasonably all of a consistent quality. But that is very much not the case with comic book films - a pretty food one is no guarantee that the next one will not be unwatchable.

    So I predict that if The Black Panther succeeds as a movie the next one or the one after that will be a miserable failure. That seems to be how these things go.
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  5. Black Panther premieres in Kenya

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    I wonder what people said in 1968 when Uhura (the normal looking-one who couldn't speak fluent Klingon well into her 50s, not the supersexy genius one) arrived on the bridge of NCC 1701?
    , @Clyde
    The most hyped movie in years. So this comic book movie is going to be a worldwide smash in Latin America, Africa and so on? I see poor box office in China and Japan. Korea is multi-culti already.
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  6. @AndrewR
    God you're an awful writer. If you were my student in high school English, I would return your essay so that you could write a final paragraph that even remotely served the purpose of a final paragraph.

    Janitor’s probably more your speed, if they let you go within 1000 yds of a school.

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    Why are you white-knighting so hard for Sailer? Are you an alt of his?
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  7. Stalin famously had a buzzer installed to let his sweating henchmen know when it was finally safe to stop applauding the Great Leader without fear of being sent to the Gulag.

    That reminds me of this :

    https://www.google.com/amp/amp.nationalreview.com/corner/414746/unenthused-rand-paul-lifelessly-applauds-netanyahu-speech-brendan-bordelon

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZP1AzAWXiY
    , @Anonym
    Wow, that is pretty sad. I am not sure which Nation the National Review is reviewing on behalf of, but it isn't that of the white citizens of the USA that is for sure.

    That guy on the far left looks like he is wistfully thinking "If only they didn't have all that blackmail material on me I might be able to do something about this charade... ah, the trophy wife, the nice house, the kids in private school... maybe in another life..."
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  8. @Anon
    He just threw in Lesotho in his remarks for sake of black pride. Of course, Wakanda is really based on Western cities and Western Sci-fi fantasy.

    But I think Coogler liked the idea of Africans and snow. There is a lot of snow in “Black Panther.” Lesotho is around 29 degrees south latitude and gets up to about 11,400 feet, which is pretty similar to Southern California’s biggest mountains, which are often snow-covered in winter. (It’s currently 17 degrees F in Big Bear, CA at 6,700 feet.) There’s a small ski resort in Lesotho:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afriski

    Lesotho is said by Wikipedia to have either a “temperate” or “continental” climate:

    Maseru, the capital of Lesotho, is about a mile high, same as Denver. The average July low temperature in Maseru, the capital of Lesotho, is a couple of degrees below freezing.

    It’s not crazy to think that if blacks evolved for another 10,000 years or so in Lesotho with its cold winters, that they’d be different.

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    Very interesting. I had no idea of the altitudes. Wonder why they don't produce better runners? And yes, black Africans haven't been there very long, so it's a fair question how light they'd be after a few more millennia.
    , @Altai
    To be fair, not a lot of Wakanda comes from Coogler's mind. All of it, including the mountain tribe are from the comics themselves. (Though I do believe they changed the name of one character who used to be called 'Man-Ape' ) Most of the Wankandan aesthetic is apparently derived from how things were made to look during Coates run (As short and unprofitable as it was). Did Coates direct the visual style? I assume so.

    I keep wondering how 10 years in they don't do more original stuff, everything is a remix or re-imagining of a story or a character or something, even minor things. There is virtually no audience for it from the perspective of familiarity. (Practically nobody reads comics today, certainly no children and the cohort who was part of it's heyday must have only hazy memories) Then I remember that it's not about these things were great in themselves but in removing time agonising over decisions for plots in order to churn out 4 films a year. It's a nice framework you can then mould into whatever you want, really, but it cuts down a lot of time making decisions that allow things to move faster and it allows you to know in advance what's going on in the other films in order to start making plot bridges between them.

    , @Obsessive Contrarian
    He admires ice people. And why not?

    Obsessive Contrarian is disappointed with this fine, perceptive review, as OC can find nothing to disagree with in it.

    So it seems I might have been right - this is Israel, minus the corruption.

    WRT box office, I wait with baited breath to see what will happen in the laboratory of China, which (I assume) is largely immune to Hollywood hype. We all know what happened with the last Star Wars flick - did respectable business first week, nosedive second.

    "On the plus side, Black Panther’s blatant conservatism is an intriguing example of how most of this decade’s cultural energies are flowing toward the right, even when disguised by worship of blacks."

    I am not the cinephile that Mr. Sailer is for reasons which I describe below, but it seems to me that superhero movies have displaced sci-fis as the cultural vehicles of basic emotions. I thought Wonder Woman was a smashing movie, hugely entertaining, but not a superhero movie. It was a rom-com disguised as a superhero movie, so the audience could relax and watch a stunning woman in a tits-emphasizing bustier jump around without guilt. There's even a Youtube video devoted to six seconds of "Gal Gadot thigh jiggle." (And don't get me started on that golden lasso of truth...)

    I will try BP when it comes out in DVD, but I don't have the guts or the energy to sit in a movie theater and watch it, even during a matinee, and when the hubbub dies down. The older you get, the more you realize how much damned energy it takes even to do passive things like watch movies. Once a season is enough for me.

    , @Jake
    So if we force all our blacks to live in the Rockies, and then we wait for 10,000 years they'll evolve into blackish white people?
    , @Clyde
    Perhaps Lupita told Coogler to make lots of snow to show how blacks can thrive and call the shots in all climates. Plenty of snow and mountains in Kenya where the non-pretty actress Lupita Nyong’o is from...she is in this absurd movie. As a stand alone fantasy movie it is not absurd, the way it has been turned into a black pride banner, in Africa too!, is absurd. This movie is another apparition style appropriation from the white man a la hip hopping Hamilton.
    _________________
    'Black Panther' cast felt 'ownership' of film, Lupita ...
    abcnews.go.com/GMA/.../black-panther...lupita-nyongo/story?id=53074908
    Feb 14, 2018 · When Lupita Nyong’o first read the "Black Panther" script, she knew they had something special, the actress said today.
    ____________________
    Cosplayers join Lupita Nyong'o's family for 'Black Panther' screening in actress' native Kenya
    New York Daily News · 6d
    The highly anticipated 'Black Panther' movie has fans counting down the days until its release in the U.S., but …

    (lulz lol lol)

    , @al-Gharaniq

    It’s not crazy to think that if blacks evolved for another 10,000 years or so in Lesotho with its cold winters, that they’d be different.
     
    Ahem, I believe the politically correct term nowadays is "black bodies," Steve.
    , @Clyde
    Blacks have a problem at high latitudes (Sweden for example) with long winters and so much less year around sunlight than Africa where they originate from. They can do well enough at cool to cold high altitudes in Africa because the sunlight is even more intense than in lower altitude Africa where most (95%?) of Africans live. I was talking to white missionary living in Kenya. He said there are high altitude garden spots (vegetables and fruits grow year around) where it is pretty much 70 degrees Fahrenheit year around, 70 miles south of the equator.
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  9. @AndrewR
    God you're an awful writer. If you were my student in high school English, I would return your essay so that you could write a final paragraph that even remotely served the purpose of a final paragraph.

    Maybe it’s because he’s writing of Black History?

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  10. Saw Black Panther over the weekend and thought it was a good movie. Marvel movies usually are decent enough. Like Wonder Woman, Black Panther is a good superhero movie bolstered by massive amounts of identity politics and hype.

    T’Challa and Killmonger are basically just another version of characters we’ve seen elsewhere before, such as for instance Xavier versus Magneto from the X-Men universe. Perhaps one of the better parts of the movie was its explicit rejection of the radicalism of Killmonger in favor of more enlightened viewpoint of T’Challa.

    One of the uh most hilarious comments yet from the ongoing online discussions amongst blacks about the ideological schism between T’Challa and Killmonger .

    Black Panther is a deeply evil film. It dangles the idea of global black liberation in front of you, paints that as villainous, then ends in an orgy of the freest black people to ever walk the earth slaughtering each other to protect whites. That shit turned my stomach.

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    C'mon, Nathan, that comment has already been posted I a previous discussion of the topic.
    , @Jefferson
    From reading the comments on Black Twitter, The Root, and Lipstick Alley, the majority of Black people are pro-Killmonger. Which says the average Black person is not just Left Wing but EXTREMELY Left Wing.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Black Panther is a deeply evil film. It dangles the idea of global black liberation in front of you, paints that as villainous, then ends in an orgy of the freest black people to ever walk the earth slaughtering each other to protect whites. That shit turned my stomach.
     
    If you just transposed black and white in that paragraph, I'd be mostly in agreement.
    , @Henry's Cat
    Does the film have subtitles or is English the official language of Wakanda?
    , @Obsessive Contrarian
    "Like Wonder Woman, Black Panther is a good superhero movie bolstered by massive amounts of identity politics and hype."

    Sorry, gotta disagree.

    Wonder Woman was a nice surprise. They had to walk a fine line between the reigning SJW bullshit and the bottom line, ie, making money with a woman superheroine who had a long history before the film. I think they succeeded - no easy task. WW was at heart an intensely feminine peace Goddess who loved ice cream and babies and hated only Ares - not the Germans.

    Plus the hype was nothing like this. Can't compare. The hype came after the movie had the first startling good results, then it kicked in. This was a sustained barrage of "Thou Shalt Love This Movie". The only thing I can compare it to was the all girl Ghostbusters, but a million times worse.
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  11. @jim jones
    Black Panther premieres in Kenya

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrmTRb2Ar1I

    I wonder what people said in 1968 when Uhura (the normal looking-one who couldn’t speak fluent Klingon well into her 50s, not the supersexy genius one) arrived on the bridge of NCC 1701?

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    • Replies: @songbird
    Whoopi Goldberg's Guinan character on ST: The Next Generation had a very interesting genesis.

    Whoopi was friends with LeVar Burton, he told here about his new gig as Geordi La Forge. She told him she wanted to be on the show too. To tell the producers. When she got not reply, she persisted. Calling them up, and finally getting a meeting with Roddenberry and a few others. They said they didn't think there was a place for her. She asked them if there was only one black person in their hopeful future.

    The character that they then created for her was basically immortal and god-like. But above all, she was wise, often dispensing advice to the other crew members, including the captain.
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  12. Woodstock and Wakanda.

    White people, with too much technology, dream of the Garden.

    Black people, with too little technology, dream of Orbit City.

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  13. Stalin famously had a buzzer installed to let his sweating henchmen know when it was finally safe to stop applauding the Great Leader without fear of being sent to the Gulag.

    Here is the buzzer in action:

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    • Replies: @Anon
    But do you stop at the first buzzer or wait til he buzzes twice?!?
    , @Anonymous
    How many millions did Stalin kill again? And yet he was permitted to live out his life in luxury amidst the trappings of absolute power and finally die a natural death? Whoever he killed, they must not have had powerful friends and relations, is all I can say.
    , @ChrisZ
    Unreal. I’d heard of Stalin’s buzzer, but never seen it in action. Thanks for posting this, Neutral.

    Does this mean the opposite of Stalin would Jeb “Please clap” Bush?
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  14. Another picture of Lesotho in winter:

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    Steve, so maybe at the next Winter Olympics we could have some actual black Africans competing in Alpine skiing. Those are snow covered ski chalets, right?
    , @donut
    https://usatunofficial.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/chrea-park.jpg

    I know it's not Sub-Saharan Africa but it surprised me when I first heard about it .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chr%C3%A9a_National_Park

    In historic times there Atlas lions and bears as well .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chr%C3%A9a_National_Park
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  15. From the end of the (brilliant, btw.) column:

    “When Poland and Hungary subscribe to a similar view, it’s considered horrifyingly extremist, but when a nonexistent African country does it, it’s the height of political wisdom.”

    Yeah – what Poland and Hungary are doing is clearly white appropriation, because civilization in Africa was always first, remember that!

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  16. Great morning vie

    The best part was that Killmonger was a great villain. His heart was in the right place and he might be right in that People of Color need to take extreme measures to fight white terror

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    Fight White Monopoly Capital
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  17. @neutral

    Stalin famously had a buzzer installed to let his sweating henchmen know when it was finally safe to stop applauding the Great Leader without fear of being sent to the Gulag.

     

    Here is the buzzer in action:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fik2-kgOgng

    But do you stop at the first buzzer or wait til he buzzes twice?!?

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  18. @Steve Sailer
    But I think Coogler liked the idea of Africans and snow. There is a lot of snow in "Black Panther." Lesotho is around 29 degrees south latitude and gets up to about 11,400 feet, which is pretty similar to Southern California's biggest mountains, which are often snow-covered in winter. (It's currently 17 degrees F in Big Bear, CA at 6,700 feet.) There's a small ski resort in Lesotho:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afriski

    Lesotho is said by Wikipedia to have either a "temperate" or "continental" climate:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Lesotho#/media/File:Snowfall_Lesotho_2.jpg

    Maseru, the capital of Lesotho, is about a mile high, same as Denver. The average July low temperature in Maseru, the capital of Lesotho, is a couple of degrees below freezing.

    It's not crazy to think that if blacks evolved for another 10,000 years or so in Lesotho with its cold winters, that they'd be different.

    Very interesting. I had no idea of the altitudes. Wonder why they don’t produce better runners? And yes, black Africans haven’t been there very long, so it’s a fair question how light they’d be after a few more millennia.

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  19. I keep asking, what’s not to like about the promotion of racial nationalism?

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  20. @neutral

    Stalin famously had a buzzer installed to let his sweating henchmen know when it was finally safe to stop applauding the Great Leader without fear of being sent to the Gulag.

     

    Here is the buzzer in action:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fik2-kgOgng

    How many millions did Stalin kill again? And yet he was permitted to live out his life in luxury amidst the trappings of absolute power and finally die a natural death? Whoever he killed, they must not have had powerful friends and relations, is all I can say.

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  21. Still, Black Panther is more interesting than entertaining, being short on humor and star power

    The lack of humor sounds like a bummer, given that the Marvel movies seem to have been successful (particularly compared to DC’s turgid, abortive efforts at their own universe) in part by being fun movies in their own right. Making a “very important point” sucks the fun out of everything.

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  22. BTW….the graphics…. Earth, Wind & Fire did it better.
    Actually they did everything better.

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    Photoshop Obama's face on the guy at bottom center and he'd have a better presidential portrait than the one he got.
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  23. @Chuck

    Stalin famously had a buzzer installed to let his sweating henchmen know when it was finally safe to stop applauding the Great Leader without fear of being sent to the Gulag.
     
    That reminds me of this :

    https://www.google.com/amp/amp.nationalreview.com/corner/414746/unenthused-rand-paul-lifelessly-applauds-netanyahu-speech-brendan-bordelon

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  24. @Steve Sailer
    But I think Coogler liked the idea of Africans and snow. There is a lot of snow in "Black Panther." Lesotho is around 29 degrees south latitude and gets up to about 11,400 feet, which is pretty similar to Southern California's biggest mountains, which are often snow-covered in winter. (It's currently 17 degrees F in Big Bear, CA at 6,700 feet.) There's a small ski resort in Lesotho:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afriski

    Lesotho is said by Wikipedia to have either a "temperate" or "continental" climate:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Lesotho#/media/File:Snowfall_Lesotho_2.jpg

    Maseru, the capital of Lesotho, is about a mile high, same as Denver. The average July low temperature in Maseru, the capital of Lesotho, is a couple of degrees below freezing.

    It's not crazy to think that if blacks evolved for another 10,000 years or so in Lesotho with its cold winters, that they'd be different.

    To be fair, not a lot of Wakanda comes from Coogler’s mind. All of it, including the mountain tribe are from the comics themselves. (Though I do believe they changed the name of one character who used to be called ‘Man-Ape’ ) Most of the Wankandan aesthetic is apparently derived from how things were made to look during Coates run (As short and unprofitable as it was). Did Coates direct the visual style? I assume so.

    I keep wondering how 10 years in they don’t do more original stuff, everything is a remix or re-imagining of a story or a character or something, even minor things. There is virtually no audience for it from the perspective of familiarity. (Practically nobody reads comics today, certainly no children and the cohort who was part of it’s heyday must have only hazy memories) Then I remember that it’s not about these things were great in themselves but in removing time agonising over decisions for plots in order to churn out 4 films a year. It’s a nice framework you can then mould into whatever you want, really, but it cuts down a lot of time making decisions that allow things to move faster and it allows you to know in advance what’s going on in the other films in order to start making plot bridges between them.

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  25. I wouldn’t know how best to describe this movie except as a strange cross between sci-fi and blaxploitation–something along the lines of Sweet Skywalker’s Baadasssss Song.

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  26. Would the movie be better if they budgeted more to getting bigger stars? There are black movie stars, but maybe they would be distracting.

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  27. But… were there any flying pyramids?

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    Kang Pyramid Down.

    https://washington-org.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/wide-shot-nmaahc-smithsonian-national-museum-of-african-american-history-culture.jpg
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  28. @Chuck

    Stalin famously had a buzzer installed to let his sweating henchmen know when it was finally safe to stop applauding the Great Leader without fear of being sent to the Gulag.
     
    That reminds me of this :

    https://www.google.com/amp/amp.nationalreview.com/corner/414746/unenthused-rand-paul-lifelessly-applauds-netanyahu-speech-brendan-bordelon

    Wow, that is pretty sad. I am not sure which Nation the National Review is reviewing on behalf of, but it isn’t that of the white citizens of the USA that is for sure.

    That guy on the far left looks like he is wistfully thinking “If only they didn’t have all that blackmail material on me I might be able to do something about this charade… ah, the trophy wife, the nice house, the kids in private school… maybe in another life…”

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  29. Honestly, I don’t think it’s all that complicated insofar as the free media slurpfest regarding Marvel’s newest schlock; the top of the New York Times is talking up panther on behalf of their top boys in Hollywood. Everyone gets to make money off blacks. If blacks take this tripe seriously and it adds to the anti-white agitprop campaign, well ‘win win win!’

    And being all ass-blackwards as usual, blacks will believe this to be credible. Le *Sigh*

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  30. @AndrewR
    God you're an awful writer. If you were my student in high school English, I would return your essay so that you could write a final paragraph that even remotely served the purpose of a final paragraph.

    If you were my student in high school English, I would return your essay so that you could write a final paragraph that even remotely served the purpose of a final paragraph.

    And what the heck is this? Are you drunk, Shakespeare?

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  31. Steve, did you stick around post-credits? If so, what did you think about the UN scene at the end? Was it tacked on just to appease certain people or, if not, did it alter your view of it as a conservative movie?

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    It may have been a signal to Oprah urging her to run for President? The guy is dressed like her.
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  32. @neutral

    Stalin famously had a buzzer installed to let his sweating henchmen know when it was finally safe to stop applauding the Great Leader without fear of being sent to the Gulag.

     

    Here is the buzzer in action:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fik2-kgOgng

    Unreal. I’d heard of Stalin’s buzzer, but never seen it in action. Thanks for posting this, Neutral.

    Does this mean the opposite of Stalin would Jeb “Please clap” Bush?

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  33. I know next to nothing about this movie, but its sequel better be called Hotel Wakanda.

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  34. MOANA also begins with a very conservative and self-enclosed society that changes to a more open one.

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  35. @AndrewR
    God you're an awful writer. If you were my student in high school English, I would return your essay so that you could write a final paragraph that even remotely served the purpose of a final paragraph.

    In Tea is the entrance made low;
    Whether fisherman, priest, or daimyo,
    Every person must bow.
    To be humble is Tao.
    Seek to follow the Way and you’ll know.

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  36. That ski resort is so pathetic it inspires the kind of pathos (“man, they are trying so hard, but they’ve nothing to work with despite their best intentions…”) that is, tragically, a microcosm for all collective efforts by Negroes. (Only the occasional individual with talent – or at least flashy pizazz – can or will ever achieve anything.) Same with this movie, from what I can tell.

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  37. @jim jones
    Black Panther premieres in Kenya

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrmTRb2Ar1I

    The most hyped movie in years. So this comic book movie is going to be a worldwide smash in Latin America, Africa and so on? I see poor box office in China and Japan. Korea is multi-culti already.

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    Korea is multi-culti already.
     
    I keep hearing this, but is there any concrete proof? What I mean by proof is this. Has the percentage of the population comprised of non-Koreans changed materially? The CIA World fact book still lists South Korea as 'homogeneous' under the ethnic groups category. This is as of 2017.

    Wake me up when South Korea is over 10 percent non-Korean. Until then I can't begin to think of them as multi-culti.
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  38. @Steve Sailer
    But I think Coogler liked the idea of Africans and snow. There is a lot of snow in "Black Panther." Lesotho is around 29 degrees south latitude and gets up to about 11,400 feet, which is pretty similar to Southern California's biggest mountains, which are often snow-covered in winter. (It's currently 17 degrees F in Big Bear, CA at 6,700 feet.) There's a small ski resort in Lesotho:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afriski

    Lesotho is said by Wikipedia to have either a "temperate" or "continental" climate:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Lesotho#/media/File:Snowfall_Lesotho_2.jpg

    Maseru, the capital of Lesotho, is about a mile high, same as Denver. The average July low temperature in Maseru, the capital of Lesotho, is a couple of degrees below freezing.

    It's not crazy to think that if blacks evolved for another 10,000 years or so in Lesotho with its cold winters, that they'd be different.

    He admires ice people. And why not?

    Obsessive Contrarian is disappointed with this fine, perceptive review, as OC can find nothing to disagree with in it.

    So it seems I might have been right – this is Israel, minus the corruption.

    WRT box office, I wait with baited breath to see what will happen in the laboratory of China, which (I assume) is largely immune to Hollywood hype. We all know what happened with the last Star Wars flick – did respectable business first week, nosedive second.

    “On the plus side, Black Panther’s blatant conservatism is an intriguing example of how most of this decade’s cultural energies are flowing toward the right, even when disguised by worship of blacks.”

    I am not the cinephile that Mr. Sailer is for reasons which I describe below, but it seems to me that superhero movies have displaced sci-fis as the cultural vehicles of basic emotions. I thought Wonder Woman was a smashing movie, hugely entertaining, but not a superhero movie. It was a rom-com disguised as a superhero movie, so the audience could relax and watch a stunning woman in a tits-emphasizing bustier jump around without guilt. There’s even a Youtube video devoted to six seconds of “Gal Gadot thigh jiggle.” (And don’t get me started on that golden lasso of truth…)

    I will try BP when it comes out in DVD, but I don’t have the guts or the energy to sit in a movie theater and watch it, even during a matinee, and when the hubbub dies down. The older you get, the more you realize how much damned energy it takes even to do passive things like watch movies. Once a season is enough for me.

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  39. @Yan Shen
    Saw Black Panther over the weekend and thought it was a good movie. Marvel movies usually are decent enough. Like Wonder Woman, Black Panther is a good superhero movie bolstered by massive amounts of identity politics and hype.

    T'Challa and Killmonger are basically just another version of characters we've seen elsewhere before, such as for instance Xavier versus Magneto from the X-Men universe. Perhaps one of the better parts of the movie was its explicit rejection of the radicalism of Killmonger in favor of more enlightened viewpoint of T'Challa.

    One of the uh most hilarious comments yet from the ongoing online discussions amongst blacks about the ideological schism between T'Challa and Killmonger .


    Black Panther is a deeply evil film. It dangles the idea of global black liberation in front of you, paints that as villainous, then ends in an orgy of the freest black people to ever walk the earth slaughtering each other to protect whites. That shit turned my stomach.
     

    C’mon, Nathan, that comment has already been posted I a previous discussion of the topic.

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  40. Steve, I’m curious to hear your take on Andy Serkis’s Ulysses Klaue character. Didn’t you think he was channeling Ramzan Kadyrov?

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    Didn’t you think he was channeling Ramzan Kadyrov?

    That would be interesting but that wasn't the accent he was doing. What was it? Scottish or South African?

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  41. Moreover, Coogler’s staging of Black Panther’s many fights is choppy and repetitious, his dialogue is self-serious, there are too many minor characters to keep track of, and the film runs too long.

    A definite plus ++++ . More time to hoot and holler and yell at the on screen action and characters. Blacks will see this movie multiple times and do their own in theater performances.

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  42. “King T’Challa, however, subscribes to his ancestors’ views that Wakanda, with its priceless Magic Dirt, should first take care of its own business. When Poland and Hungary subscribe to a similar view, it’s considered horrifyingly extremist, but when a nonexistent African country does it, it’s the height of political wisdom.”

    That’s because this is to help the world see that Israel must always be allowed the most extreme double standards.

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  43. @AndrewR
    God you're an awful writer. If you were my student in high school English, I would return your essay so that you could write a final paragraph that even remotely served the purpose of a final paragraph.

    Even the title is wrong. Should read “Wakanda Blockbuster This Is?”.

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  44. mandatory to greet each new black cultural product as effusively as if it were a cross between the Five Year Plan and a Special Olympics gold medalist

    See Steve, isn’t being reprllent just so damn fun?

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  45. @AndrewR
    God you're an awful writer. If you were my student in high school English, I would return your essay so that you could write a final paragraph that even remotely served the purpose of a final paragraph.

    God you’re an awful writer. If you were my student in high school English, I would return your essay so that you could write a final paragraph that even remotely served the purpose of a final paragraph.

    Nihil nole sub sole.

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  46. @Steve Sailer
    But I think Coogler liked the idea of Africans and snow. There is a lot of snow in "Black Panther." Lesotho is around 29 degrees south latitude and gets up to about 11,400 feet, which is pretty similar to Southern California's biggest mountains, which are often snow-covered in winter. (It's currently 17 degrees F in Big Bear, CA at 6,700 feet.) There's a small ski resort in Lesotho:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afriski

    Lesotho is said by Wikipedia to have either a "temperate" or "continental" climate:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Lesotho#/media/File:Snowfall_Lesotho_2.jpg

    Maseru, the capital of Lesotho, is about a mile high, same as Denver. The average July low temperature in Maseru, the capital of Lesotho, is a couple of degrees below freezing.

    It's not crazy to think that if blacks evolved for another 10,000 years or so in Lesotho with its cold winters, that they'd be different.

    So if we force all our blacks to live in the Rockies, and then we wait for 10,000 years they’ll evolve into blackish white people?

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  47. @Yan Shen
    Saw Black Panther over the weekend and thought it was a good movie. Marvel movies usually are decent enough. Like Wonder Woman, Black Panther is a good superhero movie bolstered by massive amounts of identity politics and hype.

    T'Challa and Killmonger are basically just another version of characters we've seen elsewhere before, such as for instance Xavier versus Magneto from the X-Men universe. Perhaps one of the better parts of the movie was its explicit rejection of the radicalism of Killmonger in favor of more enlightened viewpoint of T'Challa.

    One of the uh most hilarious comments yet from the ongoing online discussions amongst blacks about the ideological schism between T'Challa and Killmonger .


    Black Panther is a deeply evil film. It dangles the idea of global black liberation in front of you, paints that as villainous, then ends in an orgy of the freest black people to ever walk the earth slaughtering each other to protect whites. That shit turned my stomach.
     

    From reading the comments on Black Twitter, The Root, and Lipstick Alley, the majority of Black people are pro-Killmonger. Which says the average Black person is not just Left Wing but EXTREMELY Left Wing.

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  48. The purpose or need of this movie reminds me of this quote:
    “Pity the land that has no heroes, no pity the land that needs them.”

    Or pity the pity the people that need to fantasize about greatness that is comically unobtainable. Even that they couldn’t do on their own. Written, produced and funded by others.

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  49. From what I have read the audience cheered, clapped, and laughed everytime White people were referred to as Crackas and colonizers in The Black Panther.

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  50. Actually this movie is story of MHCHAOS exactly how Dick Ober would tell it. CIA saves the day. Weasel spook Everett Ross does CIA’s usual chickenshit let’s-you-and-him-fight routine, and the radical negro gets whacked by other savage negroes in a plausibly deniable way, like Ron Karenga’s goons shooting Malcolm X, or the Blackstone Rangers declaring war on Fred Hampton for fabricated death threats (which almost worked but not quite so CIA had to send dumb cops to kill him, oh well.)

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  51. @AndrewR
    God you're an awful writer. If you were my student in high school English, I would return your essay so that you could write a final paragraph that even remotely served the purpose of a final paragraph.

    I can’t remember anything you’ve ever written.

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  52. @Yan Shen
    Saw Black Panther over the weekend and thought it was a good movie. Marvel movies usually are decent enough. Like Wonder Woman, Black Panther is a good superhero movie bolstered by massive amounts of identity politics and hype.

    T'Challa and Killmonger are basically just another version of characters we've seen elsewhere before, such as for instance Xavier versus Magneto from the X-Men universe. Perhaps one of the better parts of the movie was its explicit rejection of the radicalism of Killmonger in favor of more enlightened viewpoint of T'Challa.

    One of the uh most hilarious comments yet from the ongoing online discussions amongst blacks about the ideological schism between T'Challa and Killmonger .


    Black Panther is a deeply evil film. It dangles the idea of global black liberation in front of you, paints that as villainous, then ends in an orgy of the freest black people to ever walk the earth slaughtering each other to protect whites. That shit turned my stomach.
     

    Black Panther is a deeply evil film. It dangles the idea of global black liberation in front of you, paints that as villainous, then ends in an orgy of the freest black people to ever walk the earth slaughtering each other to protect whites. That shit turned my stomach.

    If you just transposed black and white in that paragraph, I’d be mostly in agreement.

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  53. You may disagree but I was disappointed by the lack of hot black chicks. Reminded me of Miss Helsinki 2017. They actually did have some nice ladies but they buried them among the royal amazon guards and didn’t get much screen time. I also found Boseman incredibly boring. Jordan was a decent character with potential that was botched in the hurried ending. The Daniel Kaluuya character struck me as a token black character which is funny in the context. I am not sure that Andy Serkis should portray non CGI characters – it seemed at places he forgot he is not being motion-captured. Speaking of CGI, for a budget of 200 mil., it seemed incredibly dated at places. Also the fight choreographies were sub-par for Marvel. Overall 6,5/10

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  54. @snorlax
    Janitor's probably more your speed, if they let you go within 1000 yds of a school.

    Why are you white-knighting so hard for Sailer? Are you an alt of his?

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  55. OT: MeToo comes indirectly for Mark Cuban. To summarize, the affirmative action, well connected President of the Mavericks he inherited from the previous owner was creepy with female employees. The employees, with one exception, didn’t want to talk to HR about it, because the head of HR was an outspoken badthinker. It apparently never occurs to any of them to email owner Mark Cuban, who has such an open communication policy he often responds directly to fans and other random people who email him. The main harasser in question, Terdema Ussery left the Mavericks for Under Armor in 2015 where he was promptly fired two months later. One of the most illuminating quotes:

    One longtime Mavs employee told Wertheim and Luther, “Trust me, Mark knows everything that goes on. Of course Mark knew [about the instances of harassment and assault]. Everyone knew.”

    None of us bothered to tell him directly, but of course Cuban knew about it, because he knows everything. Based on his initial response to Sports Illustrated, this hasn’t Cuban to rethink his support of victimhood culture.

    https://www.si.com/nba/2018/02/20/dallas-mavericks-sexual-misconduct-investigation-mark-cuban-response

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  56. @El Dato
    I wonder what people said in 1968 when Uhura (the normal looking-one who couldn't speak fluent Klingon well into her 50s, not the supersexy genius one) arrived on the bridge of NCC 1701?

    Whoopi Goldberg’s Guinan character on ST: The Next Generation had a very interesting genesis.

    Whoopi was friends with LeVar Burton, he told here about his new gig as Geordi La Forge. She told him she wanted to be on the show too. To tell the producers. When she got not reply, she persisted. Calling them up, and finally getting a meeting with Roddenberry and a few others. They said they didn’t think there was a place for her. She asked them if there was only one black person in their hopeful future.

    The character that they then created for her was basically immortal and god-like. But above all, she was wise, often dispensing advice to the other crew members, including the captain.

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  57. OT, but here’s the Isteve story of the day-

    https://www.si.com/nba/2018/02/20/dallas-mavericks-sexual-misconduct-investigation-mark-cuban-response

    2 prominent professional black men (Ussery and Sneed) follow in the footsteps of Russell Simmons, Isaiah Thomas and OJ. I stopped watching the NBA years ago, but even with affirmative action boost to his credentials, this Ussery fellow has a pretty impressive CV (originally from LA/Compton).

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    OT

    Terdema Ussery spent 18 years with the Mavericks harrassing women, but only lasted two months at Under Armour.

    Ussery was polished, well-connected and, colleagues say, a marketing whiz who could sell with evangelical conviction.
     
    In 2013, Ussery earned a Concentrated Master of Arts in Religion from Yale Divinity School. Yale has already blocked a direct link to Ussery's page, but if you google "Terdema Ussery 13 MAR", you can access a cached page which is simply a short bio/resume.
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  58. OT

    AP test results by race for 2017 are out.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2018/02/21/record-numbers-take-advanced-placement-courses

    Basically, whites and Hispanics pass, 3 or above, at rates proportional to their numbers among the test takers, Asians at double, blacks at one third.

    So too many black kids are talking the exams. The teachers should know who has a chance and who doesn’t.

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  59. I was hoping Steve would review the theater too, but maybe one needs to go on opening night to do that properly.

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  60. @Anonymous
    I haven't seen the film, but from reading various discussions (mostly on badthought sites), it seems Wakanda is supposed to be a mix of Lesotho and Liberia. Of course, an actual mix of Lesotho and Liberia would look nothing like the Wakanda in the film, and would probably be more like Sierra Leone.

    Trying to meld any sort of traditional values with modernity is extremely hard. Those who succeed at this in any way tend to end up getting recognized as major historical figures. The Saudi Crown Prince might be trying something of this sort. Paul Kagame in Rwanda seems to be trying something of this sort. Success is not certain.

    Of course, some badthought types think this is what we need too, and they are probably right. There's little easy about it.

    I haven’t seen the movie, just the trailers, but the pictures of the capital of Wakanda shown in the trailers remind me a lot of Johannesburg, which I have been to. Johannesburg notoriously sits directly on top of magic dirt.

    Sub Saharan African cultures before the nineteenth century were not noted for being urban, so the continent’s cities (Sahel being a possible exception) were at least planned by European colonizers. Over time they became more African, and I can believe that an African country that managed to keep its independence, which historically only Ethiopia did, and unlike Ethiopia had minerals to trade to get the capital, would build something like the capital of Wakanda.

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  61. On the plus side, Black Panther’s blatant conservatism is an intriguing example of how most of this decade’s cultural energies are flowing toward the right, even when disguised by worship of blacks.

    Only for blacks and non-whites. Hollywood gives whites a message that the only good whites are those who hate themselves, their history and their culture and who take the side of non-whites in any conflict. It’s tribalism for non-whites but anti-tribalism for whites. This is deadly propaganda.

    Wakanda is a sort of black Zion mixed with the governmental structure of Israel’s new best friend forever, Saudi Arabia, augmented by the xenophobic policies of Japan during the Tokugawa shogunate.

    Nativism and xenophobia when practiced by black Wakandans is made to be virtuous and noble. It’s highly anachronistic, questionable and just plain bigoted and mean when practiced by whites.

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  62. Yet another article in Taki’s, forcing navigation to another site.

    Highly irritating.

    Last time I made this comment some people noted that Taki pays you.

    The solution is for Taki to pack it up. He should shut down his rag and simply pay Steve Sailer directly for his Unz Review blog.

    In consideration for his largess Ron Unz can rename the site the Taki-Unz Review or whatever.

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    The solution is for Taki to pack it up. He should shut down his rag and simply pay Steve Sailer directly for his Unz Review blog.
     
    Yes, that's much simpler and more reasonable than you clicking on the link to Taki's. [/sarcasm]
    , @Harry Baldwin
    You must lead a charmed life if having to click to a linked site qualifies as "highly irritating."
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  63. @Steve Sailer
    But I think Coogler liked the idea of Africans and snow. There is a lot of snow in "Black Panther." Lesotho is around 29 degrees south latitude and gets up to about 11,400 feet, which is pretty similar to Southern California's biggest mountains, which are often snow-covered in winter. (It's currently 17 degrees F in Big Bear, CA at 6,700 feet.) There's a small ski resort in Lesotho:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afriski

    Lesotho is said by Wikipedia to have either a "temperate" or "continental" climate:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Lesotho#/media/File:Snowfall_Lesotho_2.jpg

    Maseru, the capital of Lesotho, is about a mile high, same as Denver. The average July low temperature in Maseru, the capital of Lesotho, is a couple of degrees below freezing.

    It's not crazy to think that if blacks evolved for another 10,000 years or so in Lesotho with its cold winters, that they'd be different.

    Perhaps Lupita told Coogler to make lots of snow to show how blacks can thrive and call the shots in all climates. Plenty of snow and mountains in Kenya where the non-pretty actress Lupita Nyong’o is from…she is in this absurd movie. As a stand alone fantasy movie it is not absurd, the way it has been turned into a black pride banner, in Africa too!, is absurd. This movie is another apparition style appropriation from the white man a la hip hopping Hamilton.
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    ‘Black Panther’ cast felt ‘ownership’ of film, Lupita …
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    (lulz lol lol)

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  64. Steve, your review made me want to watch the movie. I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing to say.

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  65. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Marvel is not a black owned or run company. The profits from this movie don’t go to blacks although a lot of black actors had a god payday. Pretty good way of getting some money out of the race niche. Just hype a movie up and get people to think it means something beyond what it really is and watch them line up and deposit their money into the cash register. Blacks usually are pretty tight with their money, preferring to watch movies via bootleg DVDs. This one has got them throwing money at it. Marvelous, simply marvelous.

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    Blacks usually are pretty tight with their money

    Really? Is that why they line up to buy $750 Air Jordans?
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  66. @Yan Shen
    Saw Black Panther over the weekend and thought it was a good movie. Marvel movies usually are decent enough. Like Wonder Woman, Black Panther is a good superhero movie bolstered by massive amounts of identity politics and hype.

    T'Challa and Killmonger are basically just another version of characters we've seen elsewhere before, such as for instance Xavier versus Magneto from the X-Men universe. Perhaps one of the better parts of the movie was its explicit rejection of the radicalism of Killmonger in favor of more enlightened viewpoint of T'Challa.

    One of the uh most hilarious comments yet from the ongoing online discussions amongst blacks about the ideological schism between T'Challa and Killmonger .


    Black Panther is a deeply evil film. It dangles the idea of global black liberation in front of you, paints that as villainous, then ends in an orgy of the freest black people to ever walk the earth slaughtering each other to protect whites. That shit turned my stomach.
     

    Does the film have subtitles or is English the official language of Wakanda?

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  67. OT

    Observers say this Olympics is tanking in the ratings. Maybe our new Hispanic, sand people from the Middle East and Somalians don’t dig snow and ice sports.

    And maybe–more importantly– they are intimidated by just how flat out how beautiful, handsome and physically well proportioned our winter athletes are.

    How about a shout out to the two women who brought home America’s first gold in the cross country relay?

    Here’s what I’m talking about.

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    ThreeCranes, maybe Sand Skiing can be added to the next Summer Olympics.
    , @Pericles
    Bah, that was a highly annoying race. (And it was team sprint too.) The first event of an overall unsatisfying day for Swedish olympians.

    I'll try to leave on a high note of sorts with a tip to the connoisseur: pay attention at the start of cross country races where Diggins often performs a rather fetching wiggle for warmup.

    , @Truth

    And maybe–more importantly– they are intimidated by just how flat out how beautiful, handsome and physically well proportioned our winter athletes are.
     
    A common reason NOT to watch something.
    , @S. Anonyia
    Eh, it’s just that more people in general, including whites, have moved to the Sun Belt in the last decade. Also declining incomes. Fewer people have been skiing or ice skating and if you’ve never participated it’s hard to care.
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  68. President Mobutu of the Congo changed his name to The Cock Who Goes from Hen to Hen Knowing No Fatigue.

    I thought you must have made that up, so I followed your link.

    Nope.

    But don’t give Trump any ideas.

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    "I thought you must have made that up, so I followed your link."

    That's what the links are for.

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  69. @DCThrowback
    Steve, did you stick around post-credits? If so, what did you think about the UN scene at the end? Was it tacked on just to appease certain people or, if not, did it alter your view of it as a conservative movie?

    It may have been a signal to Oprah urging her to run for President? The guy is dressed like her.

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  70. The king holds a festival in which he picks a new bride annually from among 40,000 topless virgins dancing to catch his attention.

    This doesn’t sound too terrible. But i think the king needs their SAT scores as well.

    (My rough take is that European monarchies didn’t–overall–do a very good job of looking after eugenic questions in arranging marriages.)

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    (My rough take is that European monarchies didn’t–overall–do a very good job of looking after eugenic questions in arranging marriages.)

     

    Benjamin Disraeli, a future prime minister, declared, "With Prince Albert we have buried our Sovereign. This German Prince has governed England for twenty-one years with a wisdom and energy such as none of our kings has ever shown."
    , @Anonymous
    Politics was so important that it exceeded even the usual expectations. Henry VII apparently was so shocked by the ugliness of Anne Cleves that their marriage was never consummated. That'll drive the TFR down.
    , @ErisGuy
    ON the genetics of European monarchies:

    https://io9.gizmodo.com/a-family-in-spain-displayed-three-generations-of-the-h-1679771704

    Do an image search of “Hapsburg Jaw”
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  71. @Anonymous
    I haven't seen the film, but from reading various discussions (mostly on badthought sites), it seems Wakanda is supposed to be a mix of Lesotho and Liberia. Of course, an actual mix of Lesotho and Liberia would look nothing like the Wakanda in the film, and would probably be more like Sierra Leone.

    Trying to meld any sort of traditional values with modernity is extremely hard. Those who succeed at this in any way tend to end up getting recognized as major historical figures. The Saudi Crown Prince might be trying something of this sort. Paul Kagame in Rwanda seems to be trying something of this sort. Success is not certain.

    Of course, some badthought types think this is what we need too, and they are probably right. There's little easy about it.

    Of course, some badthought types think this is what we need too, and they are probably right. There’s little easy about it.

    I think its interesting to explore at any rate; most fictional considerations of it rarely seem to address the vast social, living standard and capital changes caused by modernity as we know it and how traditional mores would need to handle or scale for it.

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    Trying to meld any sort of traditional values with modernity is extremely hard.
     
    Razib Khan once noted both ISIS and the Gulf monarchies are an odd (from modern Western viewpoint) combination of the medieval and the modern, which he dubbed 'camelpunk', combining slavery and social media, for example.

    Of course the Gulf monarchies are the exact opposite. They have the magic dirt, but require foreign metics to keep the oil flowing and to make the cities work.

    I think its interesting to explore at any rate; most fictional considerations of it rarely seem to address the vast social, living standard and capital changes caused by modernity as we know it and how traditional mores would need to handle or scale for it.
     
    Maybe the fiction of the Meiji Restoration? There have been lots of attempts at 'extreme modernization' by non-Western European nations, from Peter the Great and Mohammad Ali of Egypt, and the Meiji Restoration was probably the most successful. Although even there, many of the literary figures of the era eventually rebelled against it. It is not easy to go trashing much of your nation's cultural legacy, after all.
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  72. Coogler says his film was inspired by visiting Lesotho, a high-altitude southern African nation that had avoided most colonialism. The Lesotho influence can be seen in Black Panther’s scenes set above Wakanda’s snow line: Lesotho is a rare sub-Saharan country with a ski hill.

    Unfortunately, being more self-ruling down through its history than most other African countries doesn’t seem to have turned Lesotho into Wakanda. Wikipedia reports:
    About 40% of the population lives below the international poverty line of $1.25 a day…. In urban areas, about 50% of women under 40 have HIV.

    Another–indirect–reminder of the tragedy of South Africa. If the Boer’s had just pushed the blacks out–or completely into reserves like Lesotho and Swaziland–what a paradise the place could have been.

    Cheap labor kills.

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  73. Some more overtly political tie-ins between the movie and black radical politics in the US, with the Huey Newton California Black Panthers iconography represented in the movie poster and the actor Michael B. Jordan GQ Black Panther politics and movie imagery cover.

    http://afropunk.com/2017/06/black-panther-poster-references-iconic-huey-p-newton-picture/

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-b-jordan-black-panther-party-gq-cover_us_5a7b0fa4e4b0d0ef3c0b7155

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  74. @Steve Sailer
    But I think Coogler liked the idea of Africans and snow. There is a lot of snow in "Black Panther." Lesotho is around 29 degrees south latitude and gets up to about 11,400 feet, which is pretty similar to Southern California's biggest mountains, which are often snow-covered in winter. (It's currently 17 degrees F in Big Bear, CA at 6,700 feet.) There's a small ski resort in Lesotho:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afriski

    Lesotho is said by Wikipedia to have either a "temperate" or "continental" climate:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Lesotho#/media/File:Snowfall_Lesotho_2.jpg

    Maseru, the capital of Lesotho, is about a mile high, same as Denver. The average July low temperature in Maseru, the capital of Lesotho, is a couple of degrees below freezing.

    It's not crazy to think that if blacks evolved for another 10,000 years or so in Lesotho with its cold winters, that they'd be different.

    It’s not crazy to think that if blacks evolved for another 10,000 years or so in Lesotho with its cold winters, that they’d be different.

    Ahem, I believe the politically correct term nowadays is “black bodies,” Steve.

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  75. One of my favorite Black Panther claims came yesterday from NPR; this film has smashed the “myth” that foreign markets don’t go for black movies. This was about 45 seconds before announcing that we ain’t seen nothin’ yet, because the film hasn’t even opened in the real foreign markets (China, Russia, India) yet.

    Prediction: Hollywood isn’t gonna go ’round on the assumption that this film actually disproved anything.

    To the politically minded, the Wakanda of ‘Black Panther’ offers an almost too perfect rebuttal to President Trump’s comments in January in which he referred to African nations with a disparaging expletive.

    Too perfect! Why, it’s literally a dream!

    In fictional Wakanda, however, King T’Challa chastely resists the advances of a solitary ex-girlfriend.

    Black male chastity is big in the movies. It’s usually the white woman chasing the black man, when the two are paired.

    While the king’s sweetheart wants to invite the world, the king’s rival wants to invade the world by sending Wakanda’s high-tech vibranium weapons to black criminals abroad so they can gun down their racist oppressors.

    So, economically chaste, too! Nobody’s even considering selling it to the highest bidder; say, whites in America, or yellows in China.

    Like Wonder Woman, Black Panther is a good superhero movie bolstered by massive amounts of identity politics and hype.

    I thought Wonder Woman was okay. Guess I should’ve dialed down my expectations, given the hype train. I don’t see myself watching it again. I could watch a lot of Marvel’s movies again. Especially Guardians of the Galaxy.

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    One of my favorite Black Panther claims came yesterday from NPR; this film has smashed the “myth” that foreign markets don’t go for black movies. This was about 45 seconds before announcing that we ain’t seen nothin’ yet, because the film hasn’t even opened in the real foreign markets (China, Russia, India) yet.
     
    The film has already made its budget back in the overseas markets it has opened in. I think they've seen plenty.

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=marvel2017b.htm


    Black male chastity is big in the movies. It’s usually the white woman chasing the black man, when the two are paired.
     
    I love it when art imitates life.


    I could watch a lot of Marvel’s movies again. Especially Guardians of the Galaxy.
     
    End thread.
    , @Anonymous
    It's done well in foreign markets, but that's mainly because it's part of the Marvel universe and franchise, which have been making blockbusters for more than a decade. It's piggybacking to a large extent on the broader Marvel property. This applies not just to Black Panther, but other more recent Marvel movies as well.

    It's not marketed as a "black movie" in many foreign markets. It's marketed as yet another Marvel superhero blockbuster movie with an African theme. Like a roller coaster at Six Flags with a Batman theme. People are there to ride the roller coaster, the Batman theme is mostly irrelevant.

    It's not an independent black movie with no affiliation to the Marvel franchise. If it were, it wouldn't do as well abroad.
    , @Anonymous
    Frankly you seem way too smart to be spending your time watching movies like this.
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  76. “King T’Challa, however, subscribes to his ancestors’ views that Wakanda, with its priceless Magic Dirt, should first take care of its own business.”

    Wakanda first. Wakanda for Wakandians. Awesome conservative family values message that all conservatives should go and take this film to their hearts. Denesh D’sousa would be pleased, David Brooks would be proud.

    Or am I wrong about that?

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  77. @AnotherDad

    The king holds a festival in which he picks a new bride annually from among 40,000 topless virgins dancing to catch his attention.
     
    This doesn't sound too terrible. But i think the king needs their SAT scores as well.

    (My rough take is that European monarchies didn't--overall--do a very good job of looking after eugenic questions in arranging marriages.)

    (My rough take is that European monarchies didn’t–overall–do a very good job of looking after eugenic questions in arranging marriages.)

    Benjamin Disraeli, a future prime minister, declared, “With Prince Albert we have buried our Sovereign. This German Prince has governed England for twenty-one years with a wisdom and energy such as none of our kings has ever shown.”

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  78. @Steve Sailer
    http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/lesotho040214/s_l08_RTR2PISC.jpg

    Another picture of Lesotho in winter:

    Steve, so maybe at the next Winter Olympics we could have some actual black Africans competing in Alpine skiing. Those are snow covered ski chalets, right?

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  79. @AndrewR
    God you're an awful writer. If you were my student in high school English, I would return your essay so that you could write a final paragraph that even remotely served the purpose of a final paragraph.

    Insulting your host means you are a slob who feels compelled to let it all hang out. As if you are on Oprah or Ellen. If you feel this way far better to zip your lips. afaik You usually make good comments.

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    Worry not, friend. The thickness of our dear host's skin exceeds even the thickness of his skull.
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  80. @Steve Sailer
    http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/lesotho040214/s_l08_RTR2PISC.jpg

    Another picture of Lesotho in winter:

    I know it’s not Sub-Saharan Africa but it surprised me when I first heard about it .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chr%C3%A9a_National_Park

    In historic times there Atlas lions and bears as well .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chr%C3%A9a_National_Park

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  81. @eD
    I haven't seen the movie, just the trailers, but the pictures of the capital of Wakanda shown in the trailers remind me a lot of Johannesburg, which I have been to. Johannesburg notoriously sits directly on top of magic dirt.

    Sub Saharan African cultures before the nineteenth century were not noted for being urban, so the continent's cities (Sahel being a possible exception) were at least planned by European colonizers. Over time they became more African, and I can believe that an African country that managed to keep its independence, which historically only Ethiopia did, and unlike Ethiopia had minerals to trade to get the capital, would build something like the capital of Wakanda.

    eD, watch the movie “District 9″ for another take on African architecture.

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    Lots of rebar sticking out upward from concrete block walls? Lots of metal roofing? I did not see District 9
    , @Anonymous
    I think a lot of people here would find District 9 fascinating. Some would hate it. I love it, or at least think it is a pretty good film. I think even those who hate it would find something interesting to say about it.
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  82. @AnotherDad

    The king holds a festival in which he picks a new bride annually from among 40,000 topless virgins dancing to catch his attention.
     
    This doesn't sound too terrible. But i think the king needs their SAT scores as well.

    (My rough take is that European monarchies didn't--overall--do a very good job of looking after eugenic questions in arranging marriages.)

    Politics was so important that it exceeded even the usual expectations. Henry VII apparently was so shocked by the ugliness of Anne Cleves that their marriage was never consummated. That’ll drive the TFR down.

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  83. @AndrewR
    God you're an awful writer. If you were my student in high school English, I would return your essay so that you could write a final paragraph that even remotely served the purpose of a final paragraph.

    An early contender for Most Passive-Aggressive Comment of the year award.

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    There is a nugget of information in it that explains a lot though. Nothing screams soyboy loser more loudly than being a male high school English teacher.
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  84. @ThreeCranes
    OT

    Observers say this Olympics is tanking in the ratings. Maybe our new Hispanic, sand people from the Middle East and Somalians don't dig snow and ice sports.

    And maybe--more importantly-- they are intimidated by just how flat out how beautiful, handsome and physically well proportioned our winter athletes are.

    How about a shout out to the two women who brought home America's first gold in the cross country relay?

    Here's what I'm talking about.

    http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/627*425/ows_139234936523436.jpg


    http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Cross+Country+Skiing+Winter+Olympics+Day+12+Vkqn-O66emWx.jpg

    ThreeCranes, maybe Sand Skiing can be added to the next Summer Olympics.

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  85. @Daniel Chieh

    Of course, some badthought types think this is what we need too, and they are probably right. There’s little easy about it.

     

    I think its interesting to explore at any rate; most fictional considerations of it rarely seem to address the vast social, living standard and capital changes caused by modernity as we know it and how traditional mores would need to handle or scale for it.

    Trying to meld any sort of traditional values with modernity is extremely hard.

    Razib Khan once noted both ISIS and the Gulf monarchies are an odd (from modern Western viewpoint) combination of the medieval and the modern, which he dubbed ‘camelpunk’, combining slavery and social media, for example.

    Of course the Gulf monarchies are the exact opposite. They have the magic dirt, but require foreign metics to keep the oil flowing and to make the cities work.

    I think its interesting to explore at any rate; most fictional considerations of it rarely seem to address the vast social, living standard and capital changes caused by modernity as we know it and how traditional mores would need to handle or scale for it.

    Maybe the fiction of the Meiji Restoration? There have been lots of attempts at ‘extreme modernization’ by non-Western European nations, from Peter the Great and Mohammad Ali of Egypt, and the Meiji Restoration was probably the most successful. Although even there, many of the literary figures of the era eventually rebelled against it. It is not easy to go trashing much of your nation’s cultural legacy, after all.

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    I AM A CAT. As yet I have no name. I’ve no idea where I was born.
     
    I love that story. And what a great example of a hook sentence there.
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  86. @AndrewR
    God you're an awful writer. If you were my student in high school English, I would return your essay so that you could write a final paragraph that even remotely served the purpose of a final paragraph.

    lol. AndrewR, who has worked so hard for Media Matters to hide his trollness, now exposes himself fully as a little paid troll.

    Back to David Brock with you, Soros-bot!

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  87. We Wuz Kangz, the movie.

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    Very funny!!
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  88. @Anonym
    But... were there any flying pyramids?

    Kang Pyramid Down.

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    LOL
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  89. I think Black Panther is the best Marvel franchise movie that has come out in years. Way better than the last Thor (featuring way more offensive “cultural misappropriations” than Wakanda), Wonder Woman (which should have been a lesbian porno), and the last Spiderman.

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  90. @ThreeCranes
    OT

    Observers say this Olympics is tanking in the ratings. Maybe our new Hispanic, sand people from the Middle East and Somalians don't dig snow and ice sports.

    And maybe--more importantly-- they are intimidated by just how flat out how beautiful, handsome and physically well proportioned our winter athletes are.

    How about a shout out to the two women who brought home America's first gold in the cross country relay?

    Here's what I'm talking about.

    http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/627*425/ows_139234936523436.jpg


    http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Cross+Country+Skiing+Winter+Olympics+Day+12+Vkqn-O66emWx.jpg

    Bah, that was a highly annoying race. (And it was team sprint too.) The first event of an overall unsatisfying day for Swedish olympians.

    I’ll try to leave on a high note of sorts with a tip to the connoisseur: pay attention at the start of cross country races where Diggins often performs a rather fetching wiggle for warmup.

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  91. One other reference surprised me: While Erik (the evil cousin) makes the necessary reference to the Atlantic slave trade as he chooses death over imprisonment, the actual depiction of slavery in this movie comes at the very beginning, when Nakia has somehow infiltrated a truckload of kidnapped girls being transported into the jungle.

    This is, clearly, the much more modern slavery of Boko Haram–of Africans by Africans. (Bizarrely, even by comic book standards, these girls are left to find their own way home, all their captors having been killed and the Black Panther needing to get back for his inauguration.)

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    In the real world, I seem to recall it was South African mercenaries of a deplorable hue who broke Boko Haram.
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  92. BP showing halted because of drunk woman shouting the n-word
    It sounds like this woman is black (because she’s alive), but apparently, so powerful is the movie Black Panther that it amends the rule that blacks allow other blacks to say the n-word and talk in the theater.

    http://www.nj.com/sussex-county/index.ssf/2018/02/sparta_theater_halts_black_panther_showing_over_ra.html

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    Black people loudly repeating epithets in movie theaters, disrupting showings over and over again, is just one of many reasons I quit attending movies. But it's not even one of the more important reasons.
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  93. King T’Challa, however, subscribes to his ancestors’ views that Wakanda, with its priceless Magic Dirt, should first take care of its own business. When Poland and Hungary subscribe to a similar view, it’s considered horrifyingly extremist, but when a nonexistent African country does it, it’s the height of political wisdom.

    Orban of Hungary is fighting the globalizers in order to protect and advance the best interests of Hungary. Orban refused to allow Hungary to be overrun by foreigners invited into Europe by Merkel and the globalizers who run the EU. Orban had the guts to tell Merkel and the rest of the open borders crowd to go to hell.

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    Hungarian PM Orban shows what needs to be done! (Ann Corcoran)
     
    Who knew that the descendants of the hun/magyar invaders of Europe from the east would someday lead the defense of Europe from the invaders from the south...
    , @Anonymous
    Viktor Orban is one of the truly great figures on the world stage today. A man with the courage of his convictions, a man of principle and a man of action.

    Where will we in the West find men (or women} such as this?
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  94. The picture of the 3 womyn at the Kenyan premiere; the one on the left in the gourd bra (it lifts and separates) looks like Geraldine of Flip Wilson fame.

    The Devil made me do it!

    This movie reminds me of how womyn spend decades dreaming about their wedding day. The gown, the flowers, the brides maids, the cake, the gifts; and bringing up the rear, the husband.

    Dreaming that they are competent and have their shit together has been a thang with the negro for all of his existence in America. And now they get to see it on a wide screen with multi-channel sound!

    So after the movie goes to DVD, they go back to how it’s been for the last 400 years…..

    Youze guys picking on AndrewR, he has 4500+ comments; that’s not exactly the record of a troll.

    TD is a troll.

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  95. Oakland (where the Black Panther political party was formed in 1966 a few months after the first Black Panther comic book by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby came out)

    Like Reverend Bacon in Bonfire of the the Vanities, the fiction came BEFORE the reality. Did the Black Panthers in Oakland base the name of their party on the comic book? Do they owe royalties to Marvel?

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    fwiw - https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Black-Panther-Named-After-Political-Party-44588005 The Black Panther Party name has nothing to do with the comic book
    , @George
    "Did the Black Panthers in Oakland base the name of their party on the comic book?"

    Maybe the FBI created the Black Panther Party, taking the name from the comic book character because the all White G men didn't know what else to call it and they spend a lot of time reading comic books.

    There is a claim the character started off as Black Leopard and changed after the Black Panther Party was formed.
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  96. @Jack D

    Oakland (where the Black Panther political party was formed in 1966 a few months after the first Black Panther comic book by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby came out)
     
    Like Reverend Bacon in Bonfire of the the Vanities, the fiction came BEFORE the reality. Did the Black Panthers in Oakland base the name of their party on the comic book? Do they owe royalties to Marvel?

    fwiw – https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Black-Panther-Named-After-Political-Party-44588005 The Black Panther Party name has nothing to do with the comic book

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  97. @Buffalo Joe
    eD, watch the movie "District 9" for another take on African architecture.

    Lots of rebar sticking out upward from concrete block walls? Lots of metal roofing? I did not see District 9

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    Clyde, you can catch a trailer on line, actually a good movie. But it shows what a once great African city looks like after the whites have gone. And, oh yeah, lots of corrugated tin roofs on cardboard shacks.
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  98. @Hieronymus of Canada

    Trying to meld any sort of traditional values with modernity is extremely hard.
     
    Razib Khan once noted both ISIS and the Gulf monarchies are an odd (from modern Western viewpoint) combination of the medieval and the modern, which he dubbed 'camelpunk', combining slavery and social media, for example.

    Of course the Gulf monarchies are the exact opposite. They have the magic dirt, but require foreign metics to keep the oil flowing and to make the cities work.

    I think its interesting to explore at any rate; most fictional considerations of it rarely seem to address the vast social, living standard and capital changes caused by modernity as we know it and how traditional mores would need to handle or scale for it.
     
    Maybe the fiction of the Meiji Restoration? There have been lots of attempts at 'extreme modernization' by non-Western European nations, from Peter the Great and Mohammad Ali of Egypt, and the Meiji Restoration was probably the most successful. Although even there, many of the literary figures of the era eventually rebelled against it. It is not easy to go trashing much of your nation's cultural legacy, after all.

    I AM A CAT. As yet I have no name. I’ve no idea where I was born.

    I love that story. And what a great example of a hook sentence there.

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  99. @Svigor
    One of my favorite Black Panther claims came yesterday from NPR; this film has smashed the "myth" that foreign markets don't go for black movies. This was about 45 seconds before announcing that we ain't seen nothin' yet, because the film hasn't even opened in the real foreign markets (China, Russia, India) yet.

    Prediction: Hollywood isn't gonna go 'round on the assumption that this film actually disproved anything.

    To the politically minded, the Wakanda of ‘Black Panther’ offers an almost too perfect rebuttal to President Trump’s comments in January in which he referred to African nations with a disparaging expletive.
     
    Too perfect! Why, it's literally a dream!

    In fictional Wakanda, however, King T’Challa chastely resists the advances of a solitary ex-girlfriend.
     
    Black male chastity is big in the movies. It's usually the white woman chasing the black man, when the two are paired.

    While the king’s sweetheart wants to invite the world, the king’s rival wants to invade the world by sending Wakanda’s high-tech vibranium weapons to black criminals abroad so they can gun down their racist oppressors.
     
    So, economically chaste, too! Nobody's even considering selling it to the highest bidder; say, whites in America, or yellows in China.

    Like Wonder Woman, Black Panther is a good superhero movie bolstered by massive amounts of identity politics and hype.
     
    I thought Wonder Woman was okay. Guess I should've dialed down my expectations, given the hype train. I don't see myself watching it again. I could watch a lot of Marvel's movies again. Especially Guardians of the Galaxy.

    One of my favorite Black Panther claims came yesterday from NPR; this film has smashed the “myth” that foreign markets don’t go for black movies. This was about 45 seconds before announcing that we ain’t seen nothin’ yet, because the film hasn’t even opened in the real foreign markets (China, Russia, India) yet.

    The film has already made its budget back in the overseas markets it has opened in. I think they’ve seen plenty.

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=marvel2017b.htm

    Black male chastity is big in the movies. It’s usually the white woman chasing the black man, when the two are paired.

    I love it when art imitates life.

    I could watch a lot of Marvel’s movies again. Especially Guardians of the Galaxy.

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    Yeah, about that Hollywood Accounting...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchwald_v._Paramount
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  100. @Jack D

    Oakland (where the Black Panther political party was formed in 1966 a few months after the first Black Panther comic book by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby came out)
     
    Like Reverend Bacon in Bonfire of the the Vanities, the fiction came BEFORE the reality. Did the Black Panthers in Oakland base the name of their party on the comic book? Do they owe royalties to Marvel?

    “Did the Black Panthers in Oakland base the name of their party on the comic book?”

    Maybe the FBI created the Black Panther Party, taking the name from the comic book character because the all White G men didn’t know what else to call it and they spend a lot of time reading comic books.

    There is a claim the character started off as Black Leopard and changed after the Black Panther Party was formed.

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    There is a claim the character started off as Black Leopard

    No, Jack Kirby's original character drawings identified him as "Coal Tiger." Seriously.

    http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/dynamics/2012/04/24/9165/

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  101. @Steve Sailer
    But I think Coogler liked the idea of Africans and snow. There is a lot of snow in "Black Panther." Lesotho is around 29 degrees south latitude and gets up to about 11,400 feet, which is pretty similar to Southern California's biggest mountains, which are often snow-covered in winter. (It's currently 17 degrees F in Big Bear, CA at 6,700 feet.) There's a small ski resort in Lesotho:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afriski

    Lesotho is said by Wikipedia to have either a "temperate" or "continental" climate:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Lesotho#/media/File:Snowfall_Lesotho_2.jpg

    Maseru, the capital of Lesotho, is about a mile high, same as Denver. The average July low temperature in Maseru, the capital of Lesotho, is a couple of degrees below freezing.

    It's not crazy to think that if blacks evolved for another 10,000 years or so in Lesotho with its cold winters, that they'd be different.

    Blacks have a problem at high latitudes (Sweden for example) with long winters and so much less year around sunlight than Africa where they originate from. They can do well enough at cool to cold high altitudes in Africa because the sunlight is even more intense than in lower altitude Africa where most (95%?) of Africans live. I was talking to white missionary living in Kenya. He said there are high altitude garden spots (vegetables and fruits grow year around) where it is pretty much 70 degrees Fahrenheit year around, 70 miles south of the equator.

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  102. @Yan Shen
    Saw Black Panther over the weekend and thought it was a good movie. Marvel movies usually are decent enough. Like Wonder Woman, Black Panther is a good superhero movie bolstered by massive amounts of identity politics and hype.

    T'Challa and Killmonger are basically just another version of characters we've seen elsewhere before, such as for instance Xavier versus Magneto from the X-Men universe. Perhaps one of the better parts of the movie was its explicit rejection of the radicalism of Killmonger in favor of more enlightened viewpoint of T'Challa.

    One of the uh most hilarious comments yet from the ongoing online discussions amongst blacks about the ideological schism between T'Challa and Killmonger .


    Black Panther is a deeply evil film. It dangles the idea of global black liberation in front of you, paints that as villainous, then ends in an orgy of the freest black people to ever walk the earth slaughtering each other to protect whites. That shit turned my stomach.
     

    “Like Wonder Woman, Black Panther is a good superhero movie bolstered by massive amounts of identity politics and hype.”

    Sorry, gotta disagree.

    Wonder Woman was a nice surprise. They had to walk a fine line between the reigning SJW bullshit and the bottom line, ie, making money with a woman superheroine who had a long history before the film. I think they succeeded – no easy task. WW was at heart an intensely feminine peace Goddess who loved ice cream and babies and hated only Ares – not the Germans.

    Plus the hype was nothing like this. Can’t compare. The hype came after the movie had the first startling good results, then it kicked in. This was a sustained barrage of “Thou Shalt Love This Movie”. The only thing I can compare it to was the all girl Ghostbusters, but a million times worse.

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    “Wonder Woman was a nice surprise. They had to walk a fine line between the reigning SJW bullshit and the bottom line, ie, making money with a woman superheroine who had a long history before the film. I think they succeeded – no easy task. WW was at heart an intensely feminine peace Goddess who loved ice cream and babies and hated only Ares – not the Germans.”

    I agree. I was watching Wonder Woman over the weekend on HBO. It was better than I expected. It helped that Gal Gadot is pretty easy on the eyes. There is also one scene in the movie where she is walking down a street and sees a small child. She positively squeals, “Baaabbbbyyy!!!!”

    Wonder Woman was written more likeable than I figured she would be.
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  103. @Clyde
    The most hyped movie in years. So this comic book movie is going to be a worldwide smash in Latin America, Africa and so on? I see poor box office in China and Japan. Korea is multi-culti already.

    Korea is multi-culti already.

    I keep hearing this, but is there any concrete proof? What I mean by proof is this. Has the percentage of the population comprised of non-Koreans changed materially? The CIA World fact book still lists South Korea as ‘homogeneous’ under the ethnic groups category. This is as of 2017.

    Wake me up when South Korea is over 10 percent non-Korean. Until then I can’t begin to think of them as multi-culti.

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    I read his comment to mean, not that South Korea has become racially diverse, but that it's ruling classes have bought into the West's multicultural mantras.
    , @Clyde
    Yeah what Henry's cat said, was my meaning. btw Korean birthrate is lower than Japan's last time I looked.
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  104. @KD
    One other reference surprised me: While Erik (the evil cousin) makes the necessary reference to the Atlantic slave trade as he chooses death over imprisonment, the actual depiction of slavery in this movie comes at the very beginning, when Nakia has somehow infiltrated a truckload of kidnapped girls being transported into the jungle.

    This is, clearly, the much more modern slavery of Boko Haram--of Africans by Africans. (Bizarrely, even by comic book standards, these girls are left to find their own way home, all their captors having been killed and the Black Panther needing to get back for his inauguration.)

    In the real world, I seem to recall it was South African mercenaries of a deplorable hue who broke Boko Haram.

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  105. @istevefan

    Korea is multi-culti already.
     
    I keep hearing this, but is there any concrete proof? What I mean by proof is this. Has the percentage of the population comprised of non-Koreans changed materially? The CIA World fact book still lists South Korea as 'homogeneous' under the ethnic groups category. This is as of 2017.

    Wake me up when South Korea is over 10 percent non-Korean. Until then I can't begin to think of them as multi-culti.

    I read his comment to mean, not that South Korea has become racially diverse, but that it’s ruling classes have bought into the West’s multicultural mantras.

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    South Korea has indeed bought into the multicult nonsense. The Korean movie “Snowpiercer” ended with the last two people alive on earth being a black boy and an Asian girl. You don’t get much more multicucked than that.
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  106. @whorefinder
    We Wuz Kangz, the movie.

    Very funny!!

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  107. Every time I hear Wakanda, I think Katanga: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Katanga

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  108. Maybe, Trump and Stephen Miller should quote this film when they’re promoting immigration restriction. The meltdown from the Left would be fun to watch!

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  109. @Henry's Cat
    An early contender for Most Passive-Aggressive Comment of the year award.

    There is a nugget of information in it that explains a lot though. Nothing screams soyboy loser more loudly than being a male high school English teacher.

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  110. @Henry's Cat
    I read his comment to mean, not that South Korea has become racially diverse, but that it's ruling classes have bought into the West's multicultural mantras.

    South Korea has indeed bought into the multicult nonsense. The Korean movie “Snowpiercer” ended with the last two people alive on earth being a black boy and an Asian girl. You don’t get much more multicucked than that.

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    The Korean movie “Snowpiercer” ended with the last two people alive on earth being a black boy and an Asian girl.
     
    The Adam and Eve of a planet completely devoid of caucasians? The sequels should be fascinating.
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  111. Also, I found it interesting that the WASP CIA agent is one of the good guys in “Black Panther.” In most movies about the CIA, the WASP CIA agent is usually a cold and soulless operative, like Matt Damon in “The Good Shepherd.” Perhaps, this is subtle propaganda for the Deep State’s war against Trump.

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  112. @Pericles
    Kang Pyramid Down.

    https://washington-org.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/wide-shot-nmaahc-smithsonian-national-museum-of-african-american-history-culture.jpg

    LOL

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  113. This is just one of many articles attacking Poland we will be reading in the American media in the coming months. Get ready. They defied the Israel Lobby directly. The Lobby thinks it must punish Poland as an example. It’s about to get ugly. But they are biting off more than they can chew. Nationalists worldwide are rallying to Poland. This will only serve to turn many conservatives Europe and Americans against Israel.

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  114. @ThreeCranes
    OT

    Observers say this Olympics is tanking in the ratings. Maybe our new Hispanic, sand people from the Middle East and Somalians don't dig snow and ice sports.

    And maybe--more importantly-- they are intimidated by just how flat out how beautiful, handsome and physically well proportioned our winter athletes are.

    How about a shout out to the two women who brought home America's first gold in the cross country relay?

    Here's what I'm talking about.

    http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/627*425/ows_139234936523436.jpg


    http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Cross+Country+Skiing+Winter+Olympics+Day+12+Vkqn-O66emWx.jpg

    And maybe–more importantly– they are intimidated by just how flat out how beautiful, handsome and physically well proportioned our winter athletes are.

    A common reason NOT to watch something.

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    What I said.
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  115. @Anon
    He just threw in Lesotho in his remarks for sake of black pride. Of course, Wakanda is really based on Western cities and Western Sci-fi fantasy.

    Maybe in LA Ryan Coogler looks like a real movie maker but here in Oakland some of us are not sympathetic. He appears, on the evidence, to be a propagandist for black nationalist political groups.

    In 2009 there were two big racial murder events. One was by a black guy against multiple white cops (the black killer was named Mixon) and one was by a white cop against a single black petty criminal was named Oscar Grant. The black murderer Mixon killed four white cops and seriously wounded a fifth. Mixon, shot the two cops who were trying to ticket him for a minor traffic offense. The Oakland and Bay Area communities quickly mobilized to try and catch the killer. But the Mixon had set up an ambush and killed two more white cops. Finally a final white cop (Patrick Gonzalez ) shot it out with Mixon and killed him. Gonzalez himself was shot in the exchange and seriously wounded.

    In the other incident (the Fruitvale Station incident) the white cop shot a black guy apparently in a bizarre accident.

    The incidents were just a few months apart. The first in January was the Fruitvale Station incident which Coogler portrayed in his movie “Fruitvale”. The second in March is less well known because no Hollywood movie has been made about it.

    Mixon was a habitual criminal and rapist who liked to prey on young girls. He was a violent career criminal. The white cop in the Fruitvale incident Johannes Mehserle was a relatively inexperienced cop who had only recently been trained on the Tazer.

    Mehserle was heard to say something to the effect that he was going to Taze Oscar Grant because Grant was refusing to obey orders. But Mehserle pulled out his pistol (a Sig Sauer in .40 S&W) instead of his Tazer. He shot Grant and then expressed immediate shock at what he had done.

    There were many witnesses and many videos which can be seen on YouTube. The Fruitvale station is well lit. There is no doubt that Grant was shot but the subsequent black rioters and Coogler chose to believe that it was a deliberate execution. If so Mehserle chose a very public place to do his crime.

    The March shootings were – you would think – far more dramatic but the black director Coogler seemed to have no interest in recounting the much more serious multiple murders in Oakland.

    Coogler I’m forced to conclude is just another black racist.

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  116. @Clyde
    Lots of rebar sticking out upward from concrete block walls? Lots of metal roofing? I did not see District 9

    Clyde, you can catch a trailer on line, actually a good movie. But it shows what a once great African city looks like after the whites have gone. And, oh yeah, lots of corrugated tin roofs on cardboard shacks.

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    I saw ten minutes and could not stick with the movie -- District Nine.
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  117. @istevefan

    Korea is multi-culti already.
     
    I keep hearing this, but is there any concrete proof? What I mean by proof is this. Has the percentage of the population comprised of non-Koreans changed materially? The CIA World fact book still lists South Korea as 'homogeneous' under the ethnic groups category. This is as of 2017.

    Wake me up when South Korea is over 10 percent non-Korean. Until then I can't begin to think of them as multi-culti.

    Yeah what Henry’s cat said, was my meaning. btw Korean birthrate is lower than Japan’s last time I looked.

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  118. @Tiny Duck
    Great morning vie

    The best part was that Killmonger was a great villain. His heart was in the right place and he might be right in that People of Color need to take extreme measures to fight white terror

    Fight White Monopoly Capital

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  119. @candid_observer

    President Mobutu of the Congo changed his name to The Cock Who Goes from Hen to Hen Knowing No Fatigue.

     

    I thought you must have made that up, so I followed your link.

    Nope.

    But don't give Trump any ideas.

    “I thought you must have made that up, so I followed your link.”

    That’s what the links are for.

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  120. @Hapalong Cassidy
    South Korea has indeed bought into the multicult nonsense. The Korean movie “Snowpiercer” ended with the last two people alive on earth being a black boy and an Asian girl. You don’t get much more multicucked than that.

    The Korean movie “Snowpiercer” ended with the last two people alive on earth being a black boy and an Asian girl.

    The Adam and Eve of a planet completely devoid of caucasians? The sequels should be fascinating.

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    And they survive because a White man fought another White man to save them, andd thereby ruin the only shelter and civilization they had.
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  121. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor
    One of my favorite Black Panther claims came yesterday from NPR; this film has smashed the "myth" that foreign markets don't go for black movies. This was about 45 seconds before announcing that we ain't seen nothin' yet, because the film hasn't even opened in the real foreign markets (China, Russia, India) yet.

    Prediction: Hollywood isn't gonna go 'round on the assumption that this film actually disproved anything.

    To the politically minded, the Wakanda of ‘Black Panther’ offers an almost too perfect rebuttal to President Trump’s comments in January in which he referred to African nations with a disparaging expletive.
     
    Too perfect! Why, it's literally a dream!

    In fictional Wakanda, however, King T’Challa chastely resists the advances of a solitary ex-girlfriend.
     
    Black male chastity is big in the movies. It's usually the white woman chasing the black man, when the two are paired.

    While the king’s sweetheart wants to invite the world, the king’s rival wants to invade the world by sending Wakanda’s high-tech vibranium weapons to black criminals abroad so they can gun down their racist oppressors.
     
    So, economically chaste, too! Nobody's even considering selling it to the highest bidder; say, whites in America, or yellows in China.

    Like Wonder Woman, Black Panther is a good superhero movie bolstered by massive amounts of identity politics and hype.
     
    I thought Wonder Woman was okay. Guess I should've dialed down my expectations, given the hype train. I don't see myself watching it again. I could watch a lot of Marvel's movies again. Especially Guardians of the Galaxy.

    It’s done well in foreign markets, but that’s mainly because it’s part of the Marvel universe and franchise, which have been making blockbusters for more than a decade. It’s piggybacking to a large extent on the broader Marvel property. This applies not just to Black Panther, but other more recent Marvel movies as well.

    It’s not marketed as a “black movie” in many foreign markets. It’s marketed as yet another Marvel superhero blockbuster movie with an African theme. Like a roller coaster at Six Flags with a Batman theme. People are there to ride the roller coaster, the Batman theme is mostly irrelevant.

    It’s not an independent black movie with no affiliation to the Marvel franchise. If it were, it wouldn’t do as well abroad.

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  122. What’s kind of interesting is that this new crop of black actors are all in the 6 foot range- in other words a good deal taller than the mean for white movie stars.

    I wonder if this doesn’t I’m some ways hamper the extent to which they develop their charisma. Acting is the one profession where a short person with high charisma can get the full value of that charisma and not be discounted because of their height. For that reason you get a bunch of 5 8 charisma machines like Robert Downey Jr. you can’t tell me some of that wasn’t developed as compensation for his lack of height. Maybe the black up and comers simply don’t have that shortness induced drive to be more charismatic.

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    What’s kind of interesting is that this new crop of black actors are all in the 6 foot range- in other words a good deal taller than the mean for white movie stars.
     
    Marvel’s golden trinity of “blond men named Chris” (Evans, Hemsworth and Pratt) are all also six feet tall or taller.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Kevin Hart is a big draw at the box office.
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  123. @Thorfinnsson
    Yet another article in Taki's, forcing navigation to another site.

    Highly irritating.

    Last time I made this comment some people noted that Taki pays you.

    The solution is for Taki to pack it up. He should shut down his rag and simply pay Steve Sailer directly for his Unz Review blog.

    In consideration for his largess Ron Unz can rename the site the Taki-Unz Review or whatever.

    The solution is for Taki to pack it up. He should shut down his rag and simply pay Steve Sailer directly for his Unz Review blog.

    Yes, that’s much simpler and more reasonable than you clicking on the link to Taki’s. [/sarcasm]

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  124. @Charles Pewitt

    King T’Challa, however, subscribes to his ancestors’ views that Wakanda, with its priceless Magic Dirt, should first take care of its own business. When Poland and Hungary subscribe to a similar view, it’s considered horrifyingly extremist, but when a nonexistent African country does it, it’s the height of political wisdom.

     

    Orban of Hungary is fighting the globalizers in order to protect and advance the best interests of Hungary. Orban refused to allow Hungary to be overrun by foreigners invited into Europe by Merkel and the globalizers who run the EU. Orban had the guts to tell Merkel and the rest of the open borders crowd to go to hell.

    https://twitter.com/RefugeeWatcher/status/964491600821915649

    Hungarian PM Orban shows what needs to be done! (Ann Corcoran)

    Who knew that the descendants of the hun/magyar invaders of Europe from the east would someday lead the defense of Europe from the invaders from the south…

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    I think the whole region is basically full of indigenous peoples who have assimilated the language and mores of their conquerors over the years. The Hungarians are not particularly Asiatic looking and are fairer and ruddier than Serbs and Romanians and they have had a near genocide level event which wiped out the old warrior upper class when the Mongolians invaded during Bela the IVth and had a particularly vicious run, necessitating the gradual resettlement of some communities. Same thing happened in Moldova East of the Siret in today's Romania, when a Tatar invasion once carried off a quarter of the population into slavery. Today, the Y chromosome ancestry marker for East Asia is in 1.5% of the population, with 0.5% among Romanians, and who knows how much of that is Cuman. In the end, ethnicity is culture, ancestry and myth rolled into one. Dunno if one could have ethnogenesis today, but our leaders seem to be driving full speed towards testing the idea.

    Wish our leaders had the same balls, though making such a grand stand might not be so wise, so long as another is content to make it. We still have less than a few hundred refugees so maybe even our thieves in power have a conscience.

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  125. @Truth

    And maybe–more importantly– they are intimidated by just how flat out how beautiful, handsome and physically well proportioned our winter athletes are.
     
    A common reason NOT to watch something.

    What I said.

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  126. @Captain nascimento
    OT, but here's the Isteve story of the day-

    https://www.si.com/nba/2018/02/20/dallas-mavericks-sexual-misconduct-investigation-mark-cuban-response

    2 prominent professional black men (Ussery and Sneed) follow in the footsteps of Russell Simmons, Isaiah Thomas and OJ. I stopped watching the NBA years ago, but even with affirmative action boost to his credentials, this Ussery fellow has a pretty impressive CV (originally from LA/Compton).

    OT

    Terdema Ussery spent 18 years with the Mavericks harrassing women, but only lasted two months at Under Armour.

    Ussery was polished, well-connected and, colleagues say, a marketing whiz who could sell with evangelical conviction.

    In 2013, Ussery earned a Concentrated Master of Arts in Religion from Yale Divinity School. Yale has already blocked a direct link to Ussery’s page, but if you google “Terdema Ussery 13 MAR”, you can access a cached page which is simply a short bio/resume.

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  127. @Clyde
    Insulting your host means you are a slob who feels compelled to let it all hang out. As if you are on Oprah or Ellen. If you feel this way far better to zip your lips. afaik You usually make good comments.

    Worry not, friend. The thickness of our dear host’s skin exceeds even the thickness of his skull.

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  128. @Anonymous
    BTW....the graphics.... Earth, Wind & Fire did it better.
    Actually they did everything better.

    http://takimag.com/images/uploads/black-panther-1516910683.jpg

    http://kentakepage.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/6151962514_5e5ddd134a_b.jpg

    Photoshop Obama’s face on the guy at bottom center and he’d have a better presidential portrait than the one he got.

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  129. @ThreeCranes
    OT

    Observers say this Olympics is tanking in the ratings. Maybe our new Hispanic, sand people from the Middle East and Somalians don't dig snow and ice sports.

    And maybe--more importantly-- they are intimidated by just how flat out how beautiful, handsome and physically well proportioned our winter athletes are.

    How about a shout out to the two women who brought home America's first gold in the cross country relay?

    Here's what I'm talking about.

    http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/627*425/ows_139234936523436.jpg


    http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Cross+Country+Skiing+Winter+Olympics+Day+12+Vkqn-O66emWx.jpg

    Eh, it’s just that more people in general, including whites, have moved to the Sun Belt in the last decade. Also declining incomes. Fewer people have been skiing or ice skating and if you’ve never participated it’s hard to care.

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  130. @Sam Haysom
    What's kind of interesting is that this new crop of black actors are all in the 6 foot range- in other words a good deal taller than the mean for white movie stars.

    I wonder if this doesn't I'm some ways hamper the extent to which they develop their charisma. Acting is the one profession where a short person with high charisma can get the full value of that charisma and not be discounted because of their height. For that reason you get a bunch of 5 8 charisma machines like Robert Downey Jr. you can't tell me some of that wasn't developed as compensation for his lack of height. Maybe the black up and comers simply don't have that shortness induced drive to be more charismatic.

    That said will smith and Denzel were both 6 foot plus so who knows.

    What’s kind of interesting is that this new crop of black actors are all in the 6 foot range- in other words a good deal taller than the mean for white movie stars.

    Marvel’s golden trinity of “blond men named Chris” (Evans, Hemsworth and Pratt) are all also six feet tall or taller.

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  131. Liberal, moderate and even mainstream conservative Whites/Jews continue to praise anything remotely Black created, like there child’s participation award in there second grade field day, excessive. It seems very important for busy body White people to boost Black self esteem. Yet studies tell us that Blacks have more self esteem than Whites.

    Previous research has found that despite being aware of negative stereotypes about their group and experiencing prejudice and discrimination, Blacks tend to report higher levels of self-esteem than Whites. Despite the robust nature of the Black self-esteem advantage, an adequate explanation for the higher self-esteem of Blacks relative to Whites has yet to be offered.

    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0095798406295096 Ahhh if only self-esteem powered rocket ships (we’d be on Mars already), microprocessor development and that techie stuff in the movies like CGI.

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  132. @Obsessive Contrarian
    "Like Wonder Woman, Black Panther is a good superhero movie bolstered by massive amounts of identity politics and hype."

    Sorry, gotta disagree.

    Wonder Woman was a nice surprise. They had to walk a fine line between the reigning SJW bullshit and the bottom line, ie, making money with a woman superheroine who had a long history before the film. I think they succeeded - no easy task. WW was at heart an intensely feminine peace Goddess who loved ice cream and babies and hated only Ares - not the Germans.

    Plus the hype was nothing like this. Can't compare. The hype came after the movie had the first startling good results, then it kicked in. This was a sustained barrage of "Thou Shalt Love This Movie". The only thing I can compare it to was the all girl Ghostbusters, but a million times worse.

    “Wonder Woman was a nice surprise. They had to walk a fine line between the reigning SJW bullshit and the bottom line, ie, making money with a woman superheroine who had a long history before the film. I think they succeeded – no easy task. WW was at heart an intensely feminine peace Goddess who loved ice cream and babies and hated only Ares – not the Germans.”

    I agree. I was watching Wonder Woman over the weekend on HBO. It was better than I expected. It helped that Gal Gadot is pretty easy on the eyes. There is also one scene in the movie where she is walking down a street and sees a small child. She positively squeals, “Baaabbbbyyy!!!!”

    Wonder Woman was written more likeable than I figured she would be.

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    Glad you agree. I think a lot of our fellow contrarians have such a justified chip on their shoulders that they (a) wouldn't give it a chance and (b) or if they did, saw it through such a bilious lens they distorted it.

    The physical appeal of the lead actress was crucial. And it's another example of how we get gaslighted repeatedly by pop culture.

    Gadot is naturally quite thin, and her casting was greeted by the superhero fanboyz with dismay, supposedly. So she "bulked up" and "got muscular."

    I kept looking for all those muscles and couldn't find them. Could you? I did see a bit more flesh, but not a lot of muscle. When a woman gains weight & works out, she'll put on some muscle but not a lot. She looked more voluptuous. We can't say that out loud - but we can think it, and as long as people will pay to see female beauty, they won't invent a machine to destroy these thoughts.

    , @Brutusale
    Saw WW on HBO last night and mostly enjoyed it.

    The killer laugh, though, happened during the closing credits. One of the associate producers has the unfortunate name of Richard Suckle. Dick Suckle...time for a name change!
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  133. @Sam Haysom
    What's kind of interesting is that this new crop of black actors are all in the 6 foot range- in other words a good deal taller than the mean for white movie stars.

    I wonder if this doesn't I'm some ways hamper the extent to which they develop their charisma. Acting is the one profession where a short person with high charisma can get the full value of that charisma and not be discounted because of their height. For that reason you get a bunch of 5 8 charisma machines like Robert Downey Jr. you can't tell me some of that wasn't developed as compensation for his lack of height. Maybe the black up and comers simply don't have that shortness induced drive to be more charismatic.

    That said will smith and Denzel were both 6 foot plus so who knows.

    Kevin Hart is a big draw at the box office.

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  134. @Thorfinnsson
    Yet another article in Taki's, forcing navigation to another site.

    Highly irritating.

    Last time I made this comment some people noted that Taki pays you.

    The solution is for Taki to pack it up. He should shut down his rag and simply pay Steve Sailer directly for his Unz Review blog.

    In consideration for his largess Ron Unz can rename the site the Taki-Unz Review or whatever.

    You must lead a charmed life if having to click to a linked site qualifies as “highly irritating.”

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  135. @anonymous
    Marvel is not a black owned or run company. The profits from this movie don't go to blacks although a lot of black actors had a god payday. Pretty good way of getting some money out of the race niche. Just hype a movie up and get people to think it means something beyond what it really is and watch them line up and deposit their money into the cash register. Blacks usually are pretty tight with their money, preferring to watch movies via bootleg DVDs. This one has got them throwing money at it. Marvelous, simply marvelous.

    Blacks usually are pretty tight with their money

    Really? Is that why they line up to buy $750 Air Jordans?

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  136. @George
    "Did the Black Panthers in Oakland base the name of their party on the comic book?"

    Maybe the FBI created the Black Panther Party, taking the name from the comic book character because the all White G men didn't know what else to call it and they spend a lot of time reading comic books.

    There is a claim the character started off as Black Leopard and changed after the Black Panther Party was formed.

    There is a claim the character started off as Black Leopard

    No, Jack Kirby’s original character drawings identified him as “Coal Tiger.” Seriously.

    http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/dynamics/2012/04/24/9165/

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  137. @Gunnar von Cowtown
    Steve, I'm curious to hear your take on Andy Serkis's Ulysses Klaue character. Didn't you think he was channeling Ramzan Kadyrov?

    Didn’t you think he was channeling Ramzan Kadyrov?

    That would be interesting but that wasn’t the accent he was doing. What was it? Scottish or South African?

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  138. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The New Yorker has an article about outrage directed at the maker of the Crock Pot when it causes a fire in a fictional television show.

    It was toward Crock-Pot, therefore, that fans directed their grief and anger over their favorite character’s demise. “I’ve been married less than two months and suddenly I feel the need to remove the Crock-Pot from the registry,” one person on Twitter wrote. “I just threw my Crock-Pot out the window,” another said. Fans on social media demanded justice as if a real person had been murdered: “Jack is dead because of a faulty crockpot,” one wrote on Facebook. “Shame on you! I hope his family sues! I’ll definitely be warning my friends and family!”

    The article doesn’t make it clear that these people are joking. After reading all this stuff about Wakanda, maybe there is a society-wide losing of the thread on the difference between fiction and reality.

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  139. @Buffalo Joe
    Clyde, you can catch a trailer on line, actually a good movie. But it shows what a once great African city looks like after the whites have gone. And, oh yeah, lots of corrugated tin roofs on cardboard shacks.

    I saw ten minutes and could not stick with the movie — District Nine.

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  140. @Corn
    “Wonder Woman was a nice surprise. They had to walk a fine line between the reigning SJW bullshit and the bottom line, ie, making money with a woman superheroine who had a long history before the film. I think they succeeded – no easy task. WW was at heart an intensely feminine peace Goddess who loved ice cream and babies and hated only Ares – not the Germans.”

    I agree. I was watching Wonder Woman over the weekend on HBO. It was better than I expected. It helped that Gal Gadot is pretty easy on the eyes. There is also one scene in the movie where she is walking down a street and sees a small child. She positively squeals, “Baaabbbbyyy!!!!”

    Wonder Woman was written more likeable than I figured she would be.

    Glad you agree. I think a lot of our fellow contrarians have such a justified chip on their shoulders that they (a) wouldn’t give it a chance and (b) or if they did, saw it through such a bilious lens they distorted it.

    The physical appeal of the lead actress was crucial. And it’s another example of how we get gaslighted repeatedly by pop culture.

    Gadot is naturally quite thin, and her casting was greeted by the superhero fanboyz with dismay, supposedly. So she “bulked up” and “got muscular.”

    I kept looking for all those muscles and couldn’t find them. Could you? I did see a bit more flesh, but not a lot of muscle. When a woman gains weight & works out, she’ll put on some muscle but not a lot. She looked more voluptuous. We can’t say that out loud – but we can think it, and as long as people will pay to see female beauty, they won’t invent a machine to destroy these thoughts.

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  141. @AndrewR
    Why are you white-knighting so hard for Sailer? Are you an alt of his?

    Nothing hard about it, cowboy.

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  142. @AnotherDad

    The king holds a festival in which he picks a new bride annually from among 40,000 topless virgins dancing to catch his attention.
     
    This doesn't sound too terrible. But i think the king needs their SAT scores as well.

    (My rough take is that European monarchies didn't--overall--do a very good job of looking after eugenic questions in arranging marriages.)

    ON the genetics of European monarchies:

    https://io9.gizmodo.com/a-family-in-spain-displayed-three-generations-of-the-h-1679771704

    Do an image search of “Hapsburg Jaw”

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  143. @Svigor
    One of my favorite Black Panther claims came yesterday from NPR; this film has smashed the "myth" that foreign markets don't go for black movies. This was about 45 seconds before announcing that we ain't seen nothin' yet, because the film hasn't even opened in the real foreign markets (China, Russia, India) yet.

    Prediction: Hollywood isn't gonna go 'round on the assumption that this film actually disproved anything.

    To the politically minded, the Wakanda of ‘Black Panther’ offers an almost too perfect rebuttal to President Trump’s comments in January in which he referred to African nations with a disparaging expletive.
     
    Too perfect! Why, it's literally a dream!

    In fictional Wakanda, however, King T’Challa chastely resists the advances of a solitary ex-girlfriend.
     
    Black male chastity is big in the movies. It's usually the white woman chasing the black man, when the two are paired.

    While the king’s sweetheart wants to invite the world, the king’s rival wants to invade the world by sending Wakanda’s high-tech vibranium weapons to black criminals abroad so they can gun down their racist oppressors.
     
    So, economically chaste, too! Nobody's even considering selling it to the highest bidder; say, whites in America, or yellows in China.

    Like Wonder Woman, Black Panther is a good superhero movie bolstered by massive amounts of identity politics and hype.
     
    I thought Wonder Woman was okay. Guess I should've dialed down my expectations, given the hype train. I don't see myself watching it again. I could watch a lot of Marvel's movies again. Especially Guardians of the Galaxy.

    Frankly you seem way too smart to be spending your time watching movies like this.

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  144. @J.Ross
    BP showing halted because of drunk woman shouting the n-word
    It sounds like this woman is black (because she's alive), but apparently, so powerful is the movie Black Panther that it amends the rule that blacks allow other blacks to say the n-word and talk in the theater.
    http://www.nj.com/sussex-county/index.ssf/2018/02/sparta_theater_halts_black_panther_showing_over_ra.html

    Black people loudly repeating epithets in movie theaters, disrupting showings over and over again, is just one of many reasons I quit attending movies. But it’s not even one of the more important reasons.

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  145. @Charles Pewitt

    King T’Challa, however, subscribes to his ancestors’ views that Wakanda, with its priceless Magic Dirt, should first take care of its own business. When Poland and Hungary subscribe to a similar view, it’s considered horrifyingly extremist, but when a nonexistent African country does it, it’s the height of political wisdom.

     

    Orban of Hungary is fighting the globalizers in order to protect and advance the best interests of Hungary. Orban refused to allow Hungary to be overrun by foreigners invited into Europe by Merkel and the globalizers who run the EU. Orban had the guts to tell Merkel and the rest of the open borders crowd to go to hell.

    https://twitter.com/RefugeeWatcher/status/964491600821915649

    Viktor Orban is one of the truly great figures on the world stage today. A man with the courage of his convictions, a man of principle and a man of action.

    Where will we in the West find men (or women} such as this?

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  146. @Anonymous
    I haven't seen the film, but from reading various discussions (mostly on badthought sites), it seems Wakanda is supposed to be a mix of Lesotho and Liberia. Of course, an actual mix of Lesotho and Liberia would look nothing like the Wakanda in the film, and would probably be more like Sierra Leone.

    Trying to meld any sort of traditional values with modernity is extremely hard. Those who succeed at this in any way tend to end up getting recognized as major historical figures. The Saudi Crown Prince might be trying something of this sort. Paul Kagame in Rwanda seems to be trying something of this sort. Success is not certain.

    Of course, some badthought types think this is what we need too, and they are probably right. There's little easy about it.

    I haven’t seen the movie either but then again I have some mobility issues which have kept me out of commercial movie theaters for about ten years. I fell off a cliff back then and I have been watching movies from my Home Theater ever since. I will watch Black Panther probably on cable next fall. But if I could get around a bit more easily I would definitely have gone out and bought a ticket.

    Why? Because I have low common tastes. I like superhero comic book character films and I like ones with black characters. I saw all the Blade movies (I also like vampire films). Wesley Snipes I understand wanted to play the Black Panther part. Instead of the ‘dangerous’ and controversial Snipes they chose the black guy who played Jackie Robinson – a black hero who was renowned for being sweeet and enduring white insults.

    I also really liked Will Smith as the amusing black superhero “Hancock”. So rather than being the first black superhero movie as some have claimed, the Black Panther is merely the most recent in a long chain of black guys in tights flying around the sky doing stuff.

    But of course at least half of all these comic book adventure movies are dreadful. The best one recently was Marvel’s “Ant Man”. The worst one was probably “Green Lantern”. But no one seems able to make a series of comic book films that are consistently of high quality.

    For example, the first Batman was good. The second (with Danny De Vito) was terrible. The first two Spider-Man films were good but the third was embarrassing The first Superman movie was delightful but it was followed by a whole series of cheap crappy Superman knock offs.

    Are we beginning to see a pattern here?

    We have had other series like John Wayne Westerns or James Bond spy adventures. Some of these were better than the others but in general these series movies were reasonably all of a consistent quality. But that is very much not the case with comic book films – a pretty food one is no guarantee that the next one will not be unwatchable.

    So I predict that if The Black Panther succeeds as a movie the next one or the one after that will be a miserable failure. That seems to be how these things go.

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  147. @Buffalo Joe
    eD, watch the movie "District 9" for another take on African architecture.

    I think a lot of people here would find District 9 fascinating. Some would hate it. I love it, or at least think it is a pretty good film. I think even those who hate it would find something interesting to say about it.

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  148. @Truth

    One of my favorite Black Panther claims came yesterday from NPR; this film has smashed the “myth” that foreign markets don’t go for black movies. This was about 45 seconds before announcing that we ain’t seen nothin’ yet, because the film hasn’t even opened in the real foreign markets (China, Russia, India) yet.
     
    The film has already made its budget back in the overseas markets it has opened in. I think they've seen plenty.

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=marvel2017b.htm


    Black male chastity is big in the movies. It’s usually the white woman chasing the black man, when the two are paired.
     
    I love it when art imitates life.


    I could watch a lot of Marvel’s movies again. Especially Guardians of the Galaxy.
     
    End thread.

    Yeah, about that Hollywood Accounting…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchwald_v._Paramount

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  149. @Corn
    “Wonder Woman was a nice surprise. They had to walk a fine line between the reigning SJW bullshit and the bottom line, ie, making money with a woman superheroine who had a long history before the film. I think they succeeded – no easy task. WW was at heart an intensely feminine peace Goddess who loved ice cream and babies and hated only Ares – not the Germans.”

    I agree. I was watching Wonder Woman over the weekend on HBO. It was better than I expected. It helped that Gal Gadot is pretty easy on the eyes. There is also one scene in the movie where she is walking down a street and sees a small child. She positively squeals, “Baaabbbbyyy!!!!”

    Wonder Woman was written more likeable than I figured she would be.

    Saw WW on HBO last night and mostly enjoyed it.

    The killer laugh, though, happened during the closing credits. One of the associate producers has the unfortunate name of Richard Suckle. Dick Suckle…time for a name change!

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  150. @Bliss

    The Korean movie “Snowpiercer” ended with the last two people alive on earth being a black boy and an Asian girl.
     
    The Adam and Eve of a planet completely devoid of caucasians? The sequels should be fascinating.

    And they survive because a White man fought another White man to save them, andd thereby ruin the only shelter and civilization they had.

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  151. @Bliss

    Hungarian PM Orban shows what needs to be done! (Ann Corcoran)
     
    Who knew that the descendants of the hun/magyar invaders of Europe from the east would someday lead the defense of Europe from the invaders from the south...

    I think the whole region is basically full of indigenous peoples who have assimilated the language and mores of their conquerors over the years. The Hungarians are not particularly Asiatic looking and are fairer and ruddier than Serbs and Romanians and they have had a near genocide level event which wiped out the old warrior upper class when the Mongolians invaded during Bela the IVth and had a particularly vicious run, necessitating the gradual resettlement of some communities. Same thing happened in Moldova East of the Siret in today’s Romania, when a Tatar invasion once carried off a quarter of the population into slavery. Today, the Y chromosome ancestry marker for East Asia is in 1.5% of the population, with 0.5% among Romanians, and who knows how much of that is Cuman. In the end, ethnicity is culture, ancestry and myth rolled into one. Dunno if one could have ethnogenesis today, but our leaders seem to be driving full speed towards testing the idea.

    Wish our leaders had the same balls, though making such a grand stand might not be so wise, so long as another is content to make it. We still have less than a few hundred refugees so maybe even our thieves in power have a conscience.

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