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If African Americans were to get their acts together and make some progress, would this please the zeitgeist? Or would it just irritate it?

Dennis Dale points out that elite black political action:

… has become largely about translating black failure into political power. Failure, fed through enforced faith in the equality of the races, is black political power. The black elite and their white allies love black failure, even if they don’t know it.

For example, it’s pretty embarrassing to have Ta-Nehisi Coates be thought of as your most foremost public intellectual, but then again black failure is a proven moneymaker.

The [Talented] Tenth is unique among elites in that their legacy has become suffering, and they hold fast to that legacy because it’s invaluable–the perception that black Americans have suffered uniquely among peoples has them dominating politics and culture; not despite a history of failure but because of it. It’s the greatest con ever. Combined with black dominance in culture and sports, it has this population hitting above its weight like no other. By “weight” of course I mean its contribution to the commonweal.

Conventional thinking on race doesn’t exaggerate the problem, it inverts it. Reverse the arrow of causation, reverse the arrow of moral responsibility. The uneasy Left senses this. It isn’t that white America cannot honor its debt to blacks because the sins are too profound, it’s that black America can’t honor its end of the bargain–to become peaceful and productive–due to a lack of human capital and will. Anchored to a moralistic fallacy–black intellectual inferiority is unthinkable ergo impossible–we can only go down, and we do, scrambling to define deviancy down and adapt mores to accommodate black behavior.

It’s also a proven political model, adopted to all manner of newcomers; black failure is the gift that keeps on giving. Some angry, Suge Knight type guy should be fuming through his cigar right now over how the brothers aren’t getting paid for this.

 
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  1. Lot says:

    Dale is wrong on several of his points.

    the perception that black Americans have suffered uniquely among peoples has them dominating politics and culture

    Politics: there is absolutely no “black dominance.” Aside from Hawaii/Indonesia raised, half white Obama, blacks have been pretty unsuccessful in politics outside of special majority-black districts.

    Blacks are about 13% of the population and about 25% of Democratic voters, yet they are 0% of Democratic senators and 0% of Democratic governors. And if they have any dominance, it sure is hard to tell by the last 25 years: cuts to AFDC, open boarders for competing low-skill workers, gentrification of the choicest black neighborhoods, high rates of imprisonment, and a gradual decline in per capita civilian public employment, a very important source of jobs.

    There is certainly black dominance, or at least over-representation, in some aspects of low-brow popular culture. But that has little to nothing to do with “the perception that black Americans have suffered uniquely among peoples.” Blacks are simply better at low-brow culture: sports, stand-up comedy, rapping, and dancing, than other groups.

    Where blacks benefit from liberal guilt/affirmative action isn’t low culture, where they do fine on their own, but high culture. As Derb says, so much of black intellectual output is solipsistic black black blackety black, a never-ending “conversation about race.” Coates is typical of this.

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    they are 0% of Democratic senators and 0% of Democratic governors

    'Cause racism, of course. We have to work even harder. Give the Democrats even more stuff.

    It is not that Blacks have a great amount of absolute political power, but they drive public policy way above what they merit: school policy; housing policy; policing; hiring; etc., all done largely in service to caring for chronic non-achievers.

    We are having 50 yr. anniversaries of the civil rights era, and you'd think we've gone backwards from all the anxiety and hand wringing we get from that quarter. I can't imagine things ever getting better. With the signal achievement of the moon landing, we got a "Whitey on the Moon" lament. It has pretty much been a non-stop repeat of that sentiment ever since.
    , @The Z Blog
    You're thinking of this way too narrowly. Black pols may not dominate, but "the black problem" does dominate. If you doubt that, try repeating what you just said at your next staff meeting or in front of the HR people. You're fired in an hour.

    Blacks have been given a form of the heckler's veto over public discourse.
    , @bomag
    they are 0% of Democratic senators and 0% of Democratic governors.

    But they might as well be Black, just looking at the voting record. What difference is there between Al Franken's votes and a Black equivalent? In a way this is the best outcome: getting your way, but not having a front man to take the heat and damage the brand. Better to agitate from the sidelines and get your way than have one of your own embarrassing the People by getting caught with bribe money in the freezer.
    , @Brutusale
    U.S. Senators Cory Booker and Tim Scott thank you for awarding them honorary whitehood.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Blacks are about 13% of the population and about 25% of Democratic voters, yet they are 0% of Democratic senators and 0% of Democratic governors. And if they have any dominance, it sure is hard to tell by the last 25 years: cuts to AFDC, open boarders for competing low-skill workers, gentrification of the choicest black neighborhoods, high rates of imprisonment, and a gradual decline in per capita civilian public employment, a very important source of jobs."

    Those complaints presuppose that blacks are particularly concerned about their labor-force participation and are motivated by a desire to avoid incarceration.

    I have not noticed that to be the case. I have not heard a great outcry from blacks about illegal aliens. It hasn't seemed to affect their voting habits. And a lot of black men seem to have no particular problem with being shuffled off to prison for years on end; for them they seem to view being a prisoner as their "job".
    , @Pete
    The principal artistic output of black American intellectuals (Obama, Coates et al.) seems to be writing about themselves, just as rap music largely consists of blacks talking to themselves set to a beat.
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  2. Keith Vaz [AKA "Sir Charles Pipkins"] says:

    “a lack of human capital and will”.

    What? Didn’t they have Black History Month at your high school? I believe the inventor of the super-soaker was black.

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    No , when I was in HS they still knew their place .
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  3. Lot says:

    it’s that black America can’t honor its end of the bargain–to become peaceful and productive–due to a lack of human capital and will

    Yeah, of course. What is more interesting is that blacks lately haven’t been honoring their bargain with white liberals: behave reasonably well and turn out to vote, and we’ll keep the goodies from Uncle Sugar flowing.

    Sure they came out in 2008 and 2012, but 2010 had possibly the longest impact of any election in the past 100 years. Republicans won so big at the state level that year, they extensively gerrymandered states swing states like Ohio, Michigan, Florida, and Pennsylvania to the extent they get 3/4 of the seats while losing the state-wide popular vote in the House. They did the same to the state legislative districts. The GOP will thus control the House the entire decade, and then will gerrymander again with their lock on the same state legislatures, and hold the house until at least 2032.

    It was completely foreseeable that electing Obama would hurt the democrats with blue collar whites in these states, and the only way to make up for this was higher black turnout in off-year elections. But they just didn’t show up.

    Now they are failing the second part of the bargain: keep up good appearances for the news. Instead, it is blacks, from the Talented Tenth to the Unemployable Three Tenths, who want to talk about black crime and especially how the horrible racist police* are trying way too hard to stop it, and also all of America is bad and racist too.

    *(Middle Americans, in poll after poll, show they have extremely high opinions of police, near the very top along with nurses, doctors, and firemen).

    If there is one issue that the Democrats don’t want in the news, it is black crime. Black crime isn’t just a bad issue for them, it is the issue that caused them to lose five elections in a row in New York City. It just caused them to lose elections for governor of Maryland and Massachusetts.

    My analysis of this lack of political discipline is mostly about the extremely competitive new media environment. The New York Times, and even more the many papers that had no local competition at all, used to give little coverage to both black crime and the angry, anti-police views of many, perhaps most blacks. Now those gatekeepers lack this power. If the average black wants to talk about how the police are evil, that’s what will get talked about.

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    If there is one issue that the Democrats don’t want in the news, it is black crime. Black crime isn’t just a bad issue for them, it is the issue that caused them to lose five elections in a row in New York City. It just caused them to lose elections for governor of Maryland and Massachusetts.
     
    I agree that black crime is one of the worst issues for Democrats (at least anywhere that's not past the demographic tipping point), but I don't really see how it decided the gubernatorial race here in MA. Illegal immigration was actually a much bigger issue during the election, and the biggest thing that hurt Coakley was when she let slip her (and the local Democrats') foaming-at-the-mouth obsession with creating an (unconstitutional) graduated income tax in the state.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    "It just caused them to lose elections for governor of Maryland and Massachusetts."

    I call BS on this. I'm a conservative. I live in Massachusetts. I pay close attention to politics. The previous mulatto governor of Massachusetts, Deval Patrick, became quite popular after a few early missteps. He would easily have won a third term were it not for a two-term limit on the governorship. The new republican governor, Charley Baker, won the election primarily because his opponent, a white woman, was not very popular even within her own party and ran a poor campaign. Race was never an issue in Massachusetts's last gubernatorial campaign. I am now forced to wonder whether it played any role in Maryland's. Where did you come up with this drivel about Massachusetts?
    , @Luke Lea
    "from the Talented Tenth to the Unemployable Three Tenths" Nice phrase.

    What percentage of European Americans are unemployable?

    , @Ed
    The Dems are trapped though as evidenced by O'Malley's capitulation to the blacklivesmatter interrupters.

    Heck even some GOP candidates are getting on board they realize getting a few more black voters flips key states for them. So we're going to have a year or so of this nonsense.

    The only thing to get the Dems off the black everything kick is a complete drubbing in '16.
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  4. snorlax says:
    @Lot

    it’s that black America can’t honor its end of the bargain–to become peaceful and productive–due to a lack of human capital and will
     
    Yeah, of course. What is more interesting is that blacks lately haven't been honoring their bargain with white liberals: behave reasonably well and turn out to vote, and we'll keep the goodies from Uncle Sugar flowing.

    Sure they came out in 2008 and 2012, but 2010 had possibly the longest impact of any election in the past 100 years. Republicans won so big at the state level that year, they extensively gerrymandered states swing states like Ohio, Michigan, Florida, and Pennsylvania to the extent they get 3/4 of the seats while losing the state-wide popular vote in the House. They did the same to the state legislative districts. The GOP will thus control the House the entire decade, and then will gerrymander again with their lock on the same state legislatures, and hold the house until at least 2032.

    It was completely foreseeable that electing Obama would hurt the democrats with blue collar whites in these states, and the only way to make up for this was higher black turnout in off-year elections. But they just didn't show up.

    Now they are failing the second part of the bargain: keep up good appearances for the news. Instead, it is blacks, from the Talented Tenth to the Unemployable Three Tenths, who want to talk about black crime and especially how the horrible racist police* are trying way too hard to stop it, and also all of America is bad and racist too.

    *(Middle Americans, in poll after poll, show they have extremely high opinions of police, near the very top along with nurses, doctors, and firemen).

    If there is one issue that the Democrats don't want in the news, it is black crime. Black crime isn't just a bad issue for them, it is the issue that caused them to lose five elections in a row in New York City. It just caused them to lose elections for governor of Maryland and Massachusetts.

    My analysis of this lack of political discipline is mostly about the extremely competitive new media environment. The New York Times, and even more the many papers that had no local competition at all, used to give little coverage to both black crime and the angry, anti-police views of many, perhaps most blacks. Now those gatekeepers lack this power. If the average black wants to talk about how the police are evil, that's what will get talked about.

    If there is one issue that the Democrats don’t want in the news, it is black crime. Black crime isn’t just a bad issue for them, it is the issue that caused them to lose five elections in a row in New York City. It just caused them to lose elections for governor of Maryland and Massachusetts.

    I agree that black crime is one of the worst issues for Democrats (at least anywhere that’s not past the demographic tipping point), but I don’t really see how it decided the gubernatorial race here in MA. Illegal immigration was actually a much bigger issue during the election, and the biggest thing that hurt Coakley was when she let slip her (and the local Democrats’) foaming-at-the-mouth obsession with creating an (unconstitutional) graduated income tax in the state.

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  5. Blacks and jews have this in common. For jews, to be without their sense of persecution is equivalent to having one of those dreams in which one imagines themselves as appearing in public without their pants on. Stripped of their sense of being uniquely persecuted, both jews and blacks feel naked. They have no defense and having no defense, they have no offensive weapon with which to manipulate the society they live in. Finding this situation intolerable they lash out blindly at any white who persecutes them by denying them the right to feel persecuted.

    Both imagine themselves to be superior beings in the white world in which they find themselves and deeply resent any suggestion that they must engage in manual labor or gritty productive work which produces a tangible product. Seemingly every black I have known has claimed to be the descendent of some imagined African “royalty”. I’ve never met a jewish man who wasn’t ruled by his mother’s injunction to avoid, of all things, working with his hands.

    They are drawn together by their common interest in avoiding labor and in their effort to enslave the white race. Every jewish-conceived and supported social program enacted in the last fifty years which redistributes wealth from the white middle class to poor blacks attests to the truth of these claims.

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    I’ve never met a jewish man who wasn’t ruled by his mother’s injunction to avoid, of all things, working with his hands.
     
    You have now.

    http://www.newyankee.com/

    I suppose someone should tell Norm that he's disappointing his mother.
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  6. bomag says:
    @Lot
    Dale is wrong on several of his points.


    the perception that black Americans have suffered uniquely among peoples has them dominating politics and culture
     
    Politics: there is absolutely no "black dominance." Aside from Hawaii/Indonesia raised, half white Obama, blacks have been pretty unsuccessful in politics outside of special majority-black districts.

    Blacks are about 13% of the population and about 25% of Democratic voters, yet they are 0% of Democratic senators and 0% of Democratic governors. And if they have any dominance, it sure is hard to tell by the last 25 years: cuts to AFDC, open boarders for competing low-skill workers, gentrification of the choicest black neighborhoods, high rates of imprisonment, and a gradual decline in per capita civilian public employment, a very important source of jobs.

    There is certainly black dominance, or at least over-representation, in some aspects of low-brow popular culture. But that has little to nothing to do with "the perception that black Americans have suffered uniquely among peoples." Blacks are simply better at low-brow culture: sports, stand-up comedy, rapping, and dancing, than other groups.

    Where blacks benefit from liberal guilt/affirmative action isn't low culture, where they do fine on their own, but high culture. As Derb says, so much of black intellectual output is solipsistic black black blackety black, a never-ending "conversation about race." Coates is typical of this.

    they are 0% of Democratic senators and 0% of Democratic governors

    ‘Cause racism, of course. We have to work even harder. Give the Democrats even more stuff.

    It is not that Blacks have a great amount of absolute political power, but they drive public policy way above what they merit: school policy; housing policy; policing; hiring; etc., all done largely in service to caring for chronic non-achievers.

    We are having 50 yr. anniversaries of the civil rights era, and you’d think we’ve gone backwards from all the anxiety and hand wringing we get from that quarter. I can’t imagine things ever getting better. With the signal achievement of the moon landing, we got a “Whitey on the Moon” lament. It has pretty much been a non-stop repeat of that sentiment ever since.

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    Their own fault for not having enough sense to avoid Philly.
    , @Svigor

    HitchBOT completes journey across Canada
    HitchBOT returns from German adventure with souvenirs, stories
    HitchBOT to start U.S. journey
    HitchBOT destroyed in Philadelphia, ending U.S. tour
     
    Classic.

    First black-on-bot crime.

    The Wikipedia page on HitchBOT declines to mention where he bit the dust.

    First media coverup of black-on-bot crime.

    Double classic.

    It occurs that the fears of AI run amok are overblown. White/SJW programmers are NOT going to let AI be race-realist. Ergo, if AI goes amok, blacks will defeat it with Knockout Game.
    , @ABN
    Bot lives matter!
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  8. Bill P says:

    Failure is powerful stuff. Ever wonder why Christians bow down before the cross? Objectively speaking, being crucified hardly seems like a triumph, but look what grew out of it. Southern whites are politically cohesive not because they made a good show in the Civil War, but because they lost. Similarly, Ashkenazi Jews aren’t a force to be reckoned with because they had such a winning streak back in the old country, but because they regularly got thrashed.

    We white Americans truly are victims of our own success. I’m afraid we’re going to have suffer some more losses before we get our act together again.

    I suppose one could make the argument that black failure can also be seen as black martyrdom. Martyrdom has enormous spiritual appeal, perhaps especially so to people lacking any common faith. It’s essentially become our state religion so, yes, liberal whites probably do have some spiritual investment in black failure.

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    Yes, I believe you just hit on something powerful there. White people need their own "victim narrative" if you will to reclaim moral superiority-nay, moral equality at least.

    I only fear the rivers of blood this would require.
    , @Anonymous

    Failure is powerful stuff. Ever wonder why Christians bow down before the cross? Objectively speaking, being crucified hardly seems like a triumph, but look what grew out of it. Southern whites are politically cohesive not because they made a good show in the Civil War, but because they lost. Similarly, Ashkenazi Jews aren’t a force to be reckoned with because they had such a winning streak back in the old country, but because they regularly got thrashed.
     
    Nowadays the epitome of a war hero is no longer someone in combat arms who acts bravely, but someone not in combat arms who has something done to them, e.g., John McCain or Jessica Lynch. But at least Lynch came out (in an ABC interview) and said she was not a hero. When a brutally honest American spoke the truth and said McCain is not a war hero, then corrected himself and clarified that McCain is a war hero because he was captured and confined, McCain simply wanted a mass apology to all military veterans for suggesting McCain's hero status should not be questioned due to it based merely on what happened to him, and nothing he did. Are all the other pilots not shot down war heroes as well? Does their heroism start after being captured and confined for a time. Is it surviving the brutal prison that makes it heroic? Is there element of heroism in the cases of innocent men who have been sent away for two decades to more brutal prisons than the Hanoi Hilton and later DNA proves their innocence?
    , @anon
    Very perceptive comment, Bill P. Add Shi'ites as another example of the huge number of cultures who get major mileage and powerful social solidarity out of keeping grievance alive through the centuries. It's only because America in particular has been on such a historical winning streak that we don't get the spiritual power of failure.

    But I think Dale's analysis is a little unfair, frankly. He makes passing reference to "black dominance in culture and sports" as though it's a small thing, but it's a big thing, as or more important than any other factor in determining the centrality of blacks in America's thinking about itself. Blacks are just flat-out charismatic, extroverted, aggressive, and creative. They took a central cultural position in music, sports, the arts, and oratory fair and square. Native Americans suffered and were victimized by whites more than anybody, but they don't have anything like the cultural or political centrality of blacks. Of course they are a far smaller population (part of that victimization thing), but they are comparatively unimportant even symbolically. No charisma.

    , @SFG
    Failure's a powerful motivator if you get successful later. Otherwise all the basement-dwelling nerds would be world leaders. ;)

    Christianity was successful not because Jesus was crucified, but because it was taken up by the Roman Empire (then the local heavyweight) a few hundred years later.

    Ashkenazis got genocided? Sure, but so did Ukrainians and Armenians (and lots of other groups I am forgetting at the moment). They got powerful because they saved their money and bought their way into the elite over generations.

    Southern whites are something of the exception, but I'd argue that they happened to land in a position of power after the Democrats lost them with the civil rights movement and then the Republicans had to court them. Besides, they've lost the culture war.

    And, of course, if they'd won, they'd have their own country.

    As for the blacks, that's mostly white guilt.

    , @J1234

    Failure is powerful stuff.
     
    I heard a liberal musician claim, during a concert, that defeated or oppressed cultures created more interesting music than dominant cultures. Not exactly true, however. Although jazz had a lot of influence in the early 20th century, I can't think of any music more boring or mundane or simplistic than traditional American Indian music.

    It would hold true for white southern Appalachian music, though. And Celtic music.

    , @Svigor

    Southern whites are politically cohesive not because they made a good show in the Civil War, but because they lost.
     
    True, a shared sense of loss is a powerful uniting factor. But southern whites are politically cohesive because Diversity of the Black Kind.

    Similarly, Ashkenazi Jews aren’t a force to be reckoned with because they had such a winning streak back in the old country, but because they regularly got thrashed.
     
    I think it's more their false Narrative of same (inter alia), but the effect is similar (but vulnerable to debunking).
    , @Chiron
    9/11 was a major failure for the US security apparatus but no one was really punished for it, most got promoted.

    Alfreda Frances Bikowsky was the CIA official who withheld information about the incoming attack in the US from the FBI, the torture program is her idea but she became the main character of the movie Zero-dark-something and now is a CIA "General" according to recent news.
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  9. AndrewR says:

    To paraphrase Derb, to be a black in 2015 US is to have the world at your hands. All problems in the black community today can be blamed primarily on blacks themselves. If they spent a quarter of the energy they spend bitching about YT on improving their communities then they’d become decent places to live. Of course a large source, if not all, of their power comes from pretending they’re just as oppressed as they were in 1850.

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    For a group with the world at their hands, they sure aren't doing very well. Lots of blacks in jail, lots of black crime victims, lots of very poor blacks, shorter life expectancy, and so on.

    Affirmative action is a sop to the high end of blacks who get their kids into better schools and get hired for better jobs. But it's also kind-of poisonous, since it tends to create a lot of bright, capable blacks who are overmatched in their school, who get put in a spokesmodel kind of role in their job or get out in some reserved "executive chairman for diversity" job and deprived the chance to actually make something of themselves, etc. But whether those programs are a gift or a curse, none of them do much for the bottom tier of blacks, who mostly end up in prison or working off the books to dodge their child support judgments.
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    The black elite have found all this to be a moneymaker and source of patronage. They want little to do with the underclass themselves except as a way to keep themselves employed. I don’t know if I’d call it ‘black failure’, however, since they’re just being who they are and in that they’re succeeding. They generally don’t aspire to be carbon copies of the white population. It’s only the SJW types who consider themselves to be the gold standard to which blacks should be compared.

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  11. @Bill P
    Failure is powerful stuff. Ever wonder why Christians bow down before the cross? Objectively speaking, being crucified hardly seems like a triumph, but look what grew out of it. Southern whites are politically cohesive not because they made a good show in the Civil War, but because they lost. Similarly, Ashkenazi Jews aren't a force to be reckoned with because they had such a winning streak back in the old country, but because they regularly got thrashed.

    We white Americans truly are victims of our own success. I'm afraid we're going to have suffer some more losses before we get our act together again.

    I suppose one could make the argument that black failure can also be seen as black martyrdom. Martyrdom has enormous spiritual appeal, perhaps especially so to people lacking any common faith. It's essentially become our state religion so, yes, liberal whites probably do have some spiritual investment in black failure.

    Yes, I believe you just hit on something powerful there. White people need their own “victim narrative” if you will to reclaim moral superiority-nay, moral equality at least.

    I only fear the rivers of blood this would require.

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    White people have never been good at self-pity historically. The ability to reject failure and keep trying is one of our greatest virtues, and just as integral to our success as our intelligence. It probably goes against our genetic code to live as self-pitying failures on the charity of others, just as it doesn't seem part of blacks' genetic code to be cheerful, hard-working self-starters who would be ashamed of being a burden upon others.
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  12. The Z Blog says: • Website
    @Lot
    Dale is wrong on several of his points.


    the perception that black Americans have suffered uniquely among peoples has them dominating politics and culture
     
    Politics: there is absolutely no "black dominance." Aside from Hawaii/Indonesia raised, half white Obama, blacks have been pretty unsuccessful in politics outside of special majority-black districts.

    Blacks are about 13% of the population and about 25% of Democratic voters, yet they are 0% of Democratic senators and 0% of Democratic governors. And if they have any dominance, it sure is hard to tell by the last 25 years: cuts to AFDC, open boarders for competing low-skill workers, gentrification of the choicest black neighborhoods, high rates of imprisonment, and a gradual decline in per capita civilian public employment, a very important source of jobs.

    There is certainly black dominance, or at least over-representation, in some aspects of low-brow popular culture. But that has little to nothing to do with "the perception that black Americans have suffered uniquely among peoples." Blacks are simply better at low-brow culture: sports, stand-up comedy, rapping, and dancing, than other groups.

    Where blacks benefit from liberal guilt/affirmative action isn't low culture, where they do fine on their own, but high culture. As Derb says, so much of black intellectual output is solipsistic black black blackety black, a never-ending "conversation about race." Coates is typical of this.

    You’re thinking of this way too narrowly. Black pols may not dominate, but “the black problem” does dominate. If you doubt that, try repeating what you just said at your next staff meeting or in front of the HR people. You’re fired in an hour.

    Blacks have been given a form of the heckler’s veto over public discourse.

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    Yes, this.

    Blacks are the mascots of modern Leftism, and the inversion of failure that Dennis Dale is talking about permeates the way we now talk about anything and everything.

    Hence all the Yakov Smirnoff rhetoric from politicians about how "Our schools are failing Mexicans!" and "The legal system is failing blacks!" and "The tech industry is failing women!", etc.

    Another way to look at it is to think of blacks as an ersatz Christ figure for a post-Christian society. You can see this in references to America's "original sin" and in the Morgan Freeman "numinous negro" archetype. It's a means of harnessing the Christian last-shall-be-first sensibility to Cultural Marxism.
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  13. spandrell says: • Website

    Ideological points must be absurd to be useful

    https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/the-purpose-of-absurdity/

    If everybody can agree on something you can’t use it to stop their face with your boot forever. It’s by forcing cognitive dissonance that you get the chance to accuse people of heresy and kick their faces.

    This assumes that the elite has been especially trained on how to believe bs automatically and write long articles about it. Say, David Brooks on Coates. That’s a talent.

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    @Bill P
    Failure is powerful stuff. Ever wonder why Christians bow down before the cross? Objectively speaking, being crucified hardly seems like a triumph, but look what grew out of it. Southern whites are politically cohesive not because they made a good show in the Civil War, but because they lost. Similarly, Ashkenazi Jews aren't a force to be reckoned with because they had such a winning streak back in the old country, but because they regularly got thrashed.

    We white Americans truly are victims of our own success. I'm afraid we're going to have suffer some more losses before we get our act together again.

    I suppose one could make the argument that black failure can also be seen as black martyrdom. Martyrdom has enormous spiritual appeal, perhaps especially so to people lacking any common faith. It's essentially become our state religion so, yes, liberal whites probably do have some spiritual investment in black failure.

    Failure is powerful stuff. Ever wonder why Christians bow down before the cross? Objectively speaking, being crucified hardly seems like a triumph, but look what grew out of it. Southern whites are politically cohesive not because they made a good show in the Civil War, but because they lost. Similarly, Ashkenazi Jews aren’t a force to be reckoned with because they had such a winning streak back in the old country, but because they regularly got thrashed.

    Nowadays the epitome of a war hero is no longer someone in combat arms who acts bravely, but someone not in combat arms who has something done to them, e.g., John McCain or Jessica Lynch. But at least Lynch came out (in an ABC interview) and said she was not a hero. When a brutally honest American spoke the truth and said McCain is not a war hero, then corrected himself and clarified that McCain is a war hero because he was captured and confined, McCain simply wanted a mass apology to all military veterans for suggesting McCain’s hero status should not be questioned due to it based merely on what happened to him, and nothing he did. Are all the other pilots not shot down war heroes as well? Does their heroism start after being captured and confined for a time. Is it surviving the brutal prison that makes it heroic? Is there element of heroism in the cases of innocent men who have been sent away for two decades to more brutal prisons than the Hanoi Hilton and later DNA proves their innocence?

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    This is basically history repeating itself. Rich blacks sold poor blacks into slavery to rich whites in the past. Today, black and white upper-class liberals gain power from the perpetuated dysfunction of the black lower classes.

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    Today, black and white upper-class liberals gain power from the perpetuated dysfunction of the black lower classes.
     
    It's only dysfunction in the context of white norms. What so many clueless whites refer to as "blacks behaving badly" is really just "blacks behaving typically". Look at the behavior of Africans in Africa.
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    @Bill P
    Failure is powerful stuff. Ever wonder why Christians bow down before the cross? Objectively speaking, being crucified hardly seems like a triumph, but look what grew out of it. Southern whites are politically cohesive not because they made a good show in the Civil War, but because they lost. Similarly, Ashkenazi Jews aren't a force to be reckoned with because they had such a winning streak back in the old country, but because they regularly got thrashed.

    We white Americans truly are victims of our own success. I'm afraid we're going to have suffer some more losses before we get our act together again.

    I suppose one could make the argument that black failure can also be seen as black martyrdom. Martyrdom has enormous spiritual appeal, perhaps especially so to people lacking any common faith. It's essentially become our state religion so, yes, liberal whites probably do have some spiritual investment in black failure.

    Very perceptive comment, Bill P. Add Shi’ites as another example of the huge number of cultures who get major mileage and powerful social solidarity out of keeping grievance alive through the centuries. It’s only because America in particular has been on such a historical winning streak that we don’t get the spiritual power of failure.

    But I think Dale’s analysis is a little unfair, frankly. He makes passing reference to “black dominance in culture and sports” as though it’s a small thing, but it’s a big thing, as or more important than any other factor in determining the centrality of blacks in America’s thinking about itself. Blacks are just flat-out charismatic, extroverted, aggressive, and creative. They took a central cultural position in music, sports, the arts, and oratory fair and square. Native Americans suffered and were victimized by whites more than anybody, but they don’t have anything like the cultural or political centrality of blacks. Of course they are a far smaller population (part of that victimization thing), but they are comparatively unimportant even symbolically. No charisma.

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    Blacks are just flat-out charismatic, extroverted, aggressive, and creative.

    And yet most white women want nothing to do with black men:

    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/

    Also, the creativity of blacks continues to be confined to sports and entertainment: in fields demanding major-league intellect, blacks are big flops. To the great enterprise of Western Civilization, in the domains of knowledge or theory or technology or institutions, what major contributions has any black made?

    The great benefactors of humanity are, to this day, white men.
    , @Stealth

    Blacks are just flat-out charismatic, extroverted, aggressive, and creative. They took a central cultural position in music, sports, the arts, and oratory fair and square.
     
    Negative. I don't agree with that claim. Did you grow up in an area with a substantial black population? If you had, you wouldn't think that.

    I'd say the opposite is actually true; for the most part, black people are mind-numbingly dull, the majority of them having nothing interesting to say at all. Half their entertainment value lies in their frequent hooting and hollering, and white people who haven't been exposed to many black people in real life consider this behavior delightful. They just don't know how fast it gets old. As someone who's lived in a majority black place my entire life, I've never had the opportunity to view such antics as novel or foreign, so it baffles me to hear a white person describe black people in such terms.

    American blacks are heavily romanticized and mythologized. This is especially true when it comes to America's musical traditions. Well, blues and jazz are boring, and black people didn't invent rock-n-roll all on their own, either. The less said about rap, the better.

    , @bomag
    Native Americans suffered and were victimized by whites more than anybody

    Oh please. Most Native Americans blended into White society. Those left on reservations are loved to a great degree by the usual suspects, loved probably more than any other victim group. The money flow to Tribal gov't et al is huge. They have their own department, the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
    , @Stealth
    Sorry, I should only have copied that first sentence, not the second. Consider my previous reply to apply only to the following sentence:

    Blacks are just flat-out charismatic, extroverted, aggressive, and creative.
     
    I do think their "prominence" is a little exaggerated, though.
    , @Bill Jones
    "They took a central cultural position in music, sports, the arts, and oratory fair and square"

    You obviously have a distorted low-brow to no-brow view of what constitutes music, the arts and oratory.
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    @Bill P
    Failure is powerful stuff. Ever wonder why Christians bow down before the cross? Objectively speaking, being crucified hardly seems like a triumph, but look what grew out of it. Southern whites are politically cohesive not because they made a good show in the Civil War, but because they lost. Similarly, Ashkenazi Jews aren't a force to be reckoned with because they had such a winning streak back in the old country, but because they regularly got thrashed.

    We white Americans truly are victims of our own success. I'm afraid we're going to have suffer some more losses before we get our act together again.

    I suppose one could make the argument that black failure can also be seen as black martyrdom. Martyrdom has enormous spiritual appeal, perhaps especially so to people lacking any common faith. It's essentially become our state religion so, yes, liberal whites probably do have some spiritual investment in black failure.

    Failure’s a powerful motivator if you get successful later. Otherwise all the basement-dwelling nerds would be world leaders. ;)

    Christianity was successful not because Jesus was crucified, but because it was taken up by the Roman Empire (then the local heavyweight) a few hundred years later.

    Ashkenazis got genocided? Sure, but so did Ukrainians and Armenians (and lots of other groups I am forgetting at the moment). They got powerful because they saved their money and bought their way into the elite over generations.

    Southern whites are something of the exception, but I’d argue that they happened to land in a position of power after the Democrats lost them with the civil rights movement and then the Republicans had to court them. Besides, they’ve lost the culture war.

    And, of course, if they’d won, they’d have their own country.

    As for the blacks, that’s mostly white guilt.

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    As for the blacks, that’s mostly white guilt.

    Decades ago, Shelby Steele wrote a book on this theme: "White guilt is black power." After the civil rights movement, whites transferred their moral authority to blacks.

    http://www.independent.org/events/transcript.asp?id=116
    , @Luke Lea
    "Christianity was successful not because Jesus was crucified, but because it was taken up by the Roman Empire (then the local heavyweight) a few hundred years later."

    You can't ignore those few hundred years during which Christianity went from zero to a significant presence in the Roman empire. Nor can you ignore developments following on the Protestant Reformation, especially Calvinism, which were not state backed.

    What the Catholic Church did after Constantine was (i) greatly expand the area of Christianity, particularly in northwest Europe, and (ii) transmit the Old and New Testaments to future generations, who took up the Gospel message in earnest again in one of its most transformative interpretations, which Weber put his finger on it in his The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism.

    It was no accident that almost all the major inventors and entrepreneurs who pioneered the Industrial Revolution in England were non-conformists. They took the accumulated crime and sacrifice of centuries (starting with the Crucifiction) and put it to good use. Redeeming evil as it were.

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  18. George says:

    How about White power? The confederacy won which war (answer: reconstruction)? John McCain, and everyone who fought on the losing side of whatever war was a hero because why? So it is not a Black thing.

    Off topic

    Anti-doping agency ‘alarmed’ by claims of suspect testing by 800 athletes

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    Ultimately, the price of cheap labor – or in this case ‘free’ labor – is infinitely high.
    Something more economists, and contemporary Britons watching with horror events unfolding in Calais, should bear in mind.

    But, of course, they won’t, though.

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  20. @Lot

    it’s that black America can’t honor its end of the bargain–to become peaceful and productive–due to a lack of human capital and will
     
    Yeah, of course. What is more interesting is that blacks lately haven't been honoring their bargain with white liberals: behave reasonably well and turn out to vote, and we'll keep the goodies from Uncle Sugar flowing.

    Sure they came out in 2008 and 2012, but 2010 had possibly the longest impact of any election in the past 100 years. Republicans won so big at the state level that year, they extensively gerrymandered states swing states like Ohio, Michigan, Florida, and Pennsylvania to the extent they get 3/4 of the seats while losing the state-wide popular vote in the House. They did the same to the state legislative districts. The GOP will thus control the House the entire decade, and then will gerrymander again with their lock on the same state legislatures, and hold the house until at least 2032.

    It was completely foreseeable that electing Obama would hurt the democrats with blue collar whites in these states, and the only way to make up for this was higher black turnout in off-year elections. But they just didn't show up.

    Now they are failing the second part of the bargain: keep up good appearances for the news. Instead, it is blacks, from the Talented Tenth to the Unemployable Three Tenths, who want to talk about black crime and especially how the horrible racist police* are trying way too hard to stop it, and also all of America is bad and racist too.

    *(Middle Americans, in poll after poll, show they have extremely high opinions of police, near the very top along with nurses, doctors, and firemen).

    If there is one issue that the Democrats don't want in the news, it is black crime. Black crime isn't just a bad issue for them, it is the issue that caused them to lose five elections in a row in New York City. It just caused them to lose elections for governor of Maryland and Massachusetts.

    My analysis of this lack of political discipline is mostly about the extremely competitive new media environment. The New York Times, and even more the many papers that had no local competition at all, used to give little coverage to both black crime and the angry, anti-police views of many, perhaps most blacks. Now those gatekeepers lack this power. If the average black wants to talk about how the police are evil, that's what will get talked about.

    “It just caused them to lose elections for governor of Maryland and Massachusetts.”

    I call BS on this. I’m a conservative. I live in Massachusetts. I pay close attention to politics. The previous mulatto governor of Massachusetts, Deval Patrick, became quite popular after a few early missteps. He would easily have won a third term were it not for a two-term limit on the governorship. The new republican governor, Charley Baker, won the election primarily because his opponent, a white woman, was not very popular even within her own party and ran a poor campaign. Race was never an issue in Massachusetts’s last gubernatorial campaign. I am now forced to wonder whether it played any role in Maryland’s. Where did you come up with this drivel about Massachusetts?

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    Were you asleep during Gov. Squeaky Toy's second term? He finished his tenure as severely damaged goods, thanks to the incompetence of his coterie of mulattas like Beverly Scott, Olga Roche and Andrea Cabral.

    He couldn't have beaten Coakley, never mind a squishy RINO like Baker!
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    I apologize for a major error in my original post. Massachusetts does not have term limits. Deval Patrick chose not to run for a third term as governor. There were several reasons for this but dangerously weak poll results was not one of them.
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    “The [Talented] Tenth is unique among elites in that their legacy has become suffering, and they hold fast to that legacy because it’s invaluable–the perception that black Americans have suffered uniquely among peoples has them dominating politics and culture; not despite a history of failure but because of it.”

    Jews are even more sufferistic, but they are richer and more sucessful than others.

    It’s really black dominance in pop music and sports that really does the trick.

    Suppose white Americans bought saves from Bolivia instead of from Africa.

    Do you think whites would care much about short, unfunky, and unathletic Bolivian-Americans bitching about their problems?

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  22. @SFG
    Failure's a powerful motivator if you get successful later. Otherwise all the basement-dwelling nerds would be world leaders. ;)

    Christianity was successful not because Jesus was crucified, but because it was taken up by the Roman Empire (then the local heavyweight) a few hundred years later.

    Ashkenazis got genocided? Sure, but so did Ukrainians and Armenians (and lots of other groups I am forgetting at the moment). They got powerful because they saved their money and bought their way into the elite over generations.

    Southern whites are something of the exception, but I'd argue that they happened to land in a position of power after the Democrats lost them with the civil rights movement and then the Republicans had to court them. Besides, they've lost the culture war.

    And, of course, if they'd won, they'd have their own country.

    As for the blacks, that's mostly white guilt.

    As for the blacks, that’s mostly white guilt.

    Decades ago, Shelby Steele wrote a book on this theme: “White guilt is black power.” After the civil rights movement, whites transferred their moral authority to blacks.

    http://www.independent.org/events/transcript.asp?id=116

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    It isn’t that white America cannot honor its debt to blacks because the sins are too profound, it’s that black America can’t honor its end of the bargain–to become peaceful and productive….

    Black criminal and social violence in America has worked to the benefit of black America, in a strange and perverse way. Remember that book by Carl Rowan called The Coming Race War? His prescription was pretty simple – do whatever leftist black activists or black studies professors tell you to do, white America, and the hip hop murderers and rioters won’t be coming down your street. With regards to racial matters, the main motivation for most white liberals is the fear of blacks on a personal level.

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    Ahh yes, Carl Rowan. The race huckster and gun-control fanatic who used an unlicensed pistol to shoot an unarmed white kid who was trespassing in his swimming pool. Needless to say, Rowan didn't go to jail for that.

    Wiki: In a 1981 column, he advocated "a law that says anyone found in possession of a handgun except a legitimate officer of the law goes to jail—period."
     
    One rule for you, one rule for us.
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  24. Adar. says:

    For some time now at least 2/3 of blacks in this country have lived in the middle class as best defined. In some areas of the U.S. groups of whitey don’t live that well.

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  25. Luke Lea says: • Website

    Could this be part of the reason that the Black Caucus shows so little interest in measures that might actually reduce black failure, e.g., more and better vocational training combined with measures like immigration control and restrictions on imports from low-wage countries like China that might increase the demand for African American labor?

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    The Talented Tenth, like the Talented 1 Percenters, don't care for competition.

    The larger the black victim base, the higher the TT will soar.

    If money is directed to poor blacks (eg vocational training), less money will go to the TT.

    If the racial disparities are reconceived as class issues, less money will go to the TT.

    The TT abandoned the black lower class to go live with the white folks, where their children could meet and mix with better (ie white) folks and they have never looked back. Simple economics.
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    Could this be part of the reason that the Black Caucus shows so little interest in measures that might actually reduce black failure rates, e.g., more and better vocational training combined with measures to reduce mass low-skilled immigration and restrict trade with low-wage countries that would increase the demand for African American labor?

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    You might also have a bit of a principal-agent problem; success for a minority group often means assimilation. (Look at Jewish intermarriage rates.) Unz's shutting down of bilingual education was good for la raza (because it encouraged their kids to learn English and move up), but bad for La Raza (because if Hispanics assimilate, they won't be an oppressed poverty group, they'll be tan Americans). Similarly, if black people succeed, they'll move out of the ghetto, and not be around to vote for Adam Clayton Powell the Fifth anymore.
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    @Bill P
    Failure is powerful stuff. Ever wonder why Christians bow down before the cross? Objectively speaking, being crucified hardly seems like a triumph, but look what grew out of it. Southern whites are politically cohesive not because they made a good show in the Civil War, but because they lost. Similarly, Ashkenazi Jews aren't a force to be reckoned with because they had such a winning streak back in the old country, but because they regularly got thrashed.

    We white Americans truly are victims of our own success. I'm afraid we're going to have suffer some more losses before we get our act together again.

    I suppose one could make the argument that black failure can also be seen as black martyrdom. Martyrdom has enormous spiritual appeal, perhaps especially so to people lacking any common faith. It's essentially become our state religion so, yes, liberal whites probably do have some spiritual investment in black failure.

    Failure is powerful stuff.

    I heard a liberal musician claim, during a concert, that defeated or oppressed cultures created more interesting music than dominant cultures. Not exactly true, however. Although jazz had a lot of influence in the early 20th century, I can’t think of any music more boring or mundane or simplistic than traditional American Indian music.

    It would hold true for white southern Appalachian music, though. And Celtic music.

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    I dunno, Bach, Beethoven and Rachmaninoff made pretty interesting music in their day. Though they did make use of local native music and dances.

    You could say Chopin and Paderewski were oppressed Poles.

    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    I heard a liberal musician claim, during a concert, that defeated or oppressed cultures created more interesting music than dominant cultures.

    Another, if unintentional, take on "The spicier the food, the worse the government" aphorism.
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    @Lot

    it’s that black America can’t honor its end of the bargain–to become peaceful and productive–due to a lack of human capital and will
     
    Yeah, of course. What is more interesting is that blacks lately haven't been honoring their bargain with white liberals: behave reasonably well and turn out to vote, and we'll keep the goodies from Uncle Sugar flowing.

    Sure they came out in 2008 and 2012, but 2010 had possibly the longest impact of any election in the past 100 years. Republicans won so big at the state level that year, they extensively gerrymandered states swing states like Ohio, Michigan, Florida, and Pennsylvania to the extent they get 3/4 of the seats while losing the state-wide popular vote in the House. They did the same to the state legislative districts. The GOP will thus control the House the entire decade, and then will gerrymander again with their lock on the same state legislatures, and hold the house until at least 2032.

    It was completely foreseeable that electing Obama would hurt the democrats with blue collar whites in these states, and the only way to make up for this was higher black turnout in off-year elections. But they just didn't show up.

    Now they are failing the second part of the bargain: keep up good appearances for the news. Instead, it is blacks, from the Talented Tenth to the Unemployable Three Tenths, who want to talk about black crime and especially how the horrible racist police* are trying way too hard to stop it, and also all of America is bad and racist too.

    *(Middle Americans, in poll after poll, show they have extremely high opinions of police, near the very top along with nurses, doctors, and firemen).

    If there is one issue that the Democrats don't want in the news, it is black crime. Black crime isn't just a bad issue for them, it is the issue that caused them to lose five elections in a row in New York City. It just caused them to lose elections for governor of Maryland and Massachusetts.

    My analysis of this lack of political discipline is mostly about the extremely competitive new media environment. The New York Times, and even more the many papers that had no local competition at all, used to give little coverage to both black crime and the angry, anti-police views of many, perhaps most blacks. Now those gatekeepers lack this power. If the average black wants to talk about how the police are evil, that's what will get talked about.

    “from the Talented Tenth to the Unemployable Three Tenths” Nice phrase.

    What percentage of European Americans are unemployable?

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    For a first approximation based just on the IQ distributions, three tenths of blacks means IQ 77 or less. That would be 6.26 percent of whites, which agrees pretty well with my impression from having grown up in an all-white population.
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  29. Luke Lea says: • Website
    @SFG
    Failure's a powerful motivator if you get successful later. Otherwise all the basement-dwelling nerds would be world leaders. ;)

    Christianity was successful not because Jesus was crucified, but because it was taken up by the Roman Empire (then the local heavyweight) a few hundred years later.

    Ashkenazis got genocided? Sure, but so did Ukrainians and Armenians (and lots of other groups I am forgetting at the moment). They got powerful because they saved their money and bought their way into the elite over generations.

    Southern whites are something of the exception, but I'd argue that they happened to land in a position of power after the Democrats lost them with the civil rights movement and then the Republicans had to court them. Besides, they've lost the culture war.

    And, of course, if they'd won, they'd have their own country.

    As for the blacks, that's mostly white guilt.

    “Christianity was successful not because Jesus was crucified, but because it was taken up by the Roman Empire (then the local heavyweight) a few hundred years later.”

    You can’t ignore those few hundred years during which Christianity went from zero to a significant presence in the Roman empire. Nor can you ignore developments following on the Protestant Reformation, especially Calvinism, which were not state backed.

    What the Catholic Church did after Constantine was (i) greatly expand the area of Christianity, particularly in northwest Europe, and (ii) transmit the Old and New Testaments to future generations, who took up the Gospel message in earnest again in one of its most transformative interpretations, which Weber put his finger on it in his The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism.

    It was no accident that almost all the major inventors and entrepreneurs who pioneered the Industrial Revolution in England were non-conformists. They took the accumulated crime and sacrifice of centuries (starting with the Crucifiction) and put it to good use. Redeeming evil as it were.

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    I think I've read that when Constantine adopted Christianity about 10% of the Empire was Christian. The Empire created a single cultural space in an enormous area. Any robust ideology adopted by it could have been easily transmitted across that cultural space. Mithraism, Zoroastrianism or the ancient Egyptian religion could have also easily played that role. And later history would have turned out the same anyway.

    The English Puritans would have interpreted Seth and Horus in their typically English puritanical ways through sheer force of HBD. Luther would have led an austere Germanic revolt against Mediterranean excesses and corruption in the practice of Horus worship. Few things would be different now.
    , @tbraton
    "You can’t ignore those few hundred years during which Christianity went from zero to a significant presence in the Roman empire."

    I happen to recall reading long ago that Christians composed no more than 10 percent of the population of the Roman Empire before Constantine. Wikipedia agrees with my memory: "While many people tend to exaggerate the growth of Christianity before the 4th century, ninety percent of the empire was not Christian, and there is no evidence that Christianity could have continued to grow. It was the support of the emperor Constantine that transformed Christianity into a driving force in the Roman Empire. “Most authorities agree that by 300 A.D., between seven and ten percent of the population of the Roman Empire were Christian.” (Freeman, 215)" https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Roman_Culture/Constantine_and_early_Christianity Between 7 and 10 percent of the population cannot be characterized as a significant presence.

    It was not so much the actions of Constantine which cemented the hold of Christianity, since he merely declared toleration of Christians and stopped persecution of Christians. It was the later move by Emperor Theodosius which made Christianity the official religion of the Empire that sealed the deal. Once official, Christians turned around and started persecuting other religions. Theodosius was also the Emperor who banned the Olympic Games as a "pagan cult" in 393 A.D. Between Constantine and Theodosius came the remarkable Justine (after whom I named a favorite cat, or was that after the character "Justine" in Lawrence Durrell's "Alexandria Quarter"?) tried unsuccessfuly to turn the clock back and restore the ancient pagan cults before meeting an untimely death.
    , @SFG
    Not ignoring--actually, it strengthens my point that it was success, not failure, that helped Christianity. ;) They did a lot of things right!

    I'd argue inventors and entrepreneurs would tend to be nonconformists in general. The particular strengths of Christianity I'll leave to Rodney Stark, but I remember at least the idea of absolute truth being useful in the natural sciences (although perhaps not so much in other spheres). Monogamy also limits female hypergamy and means beta males such as engineers and scientists who are important to the species have a chance to pass on their genes.
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    One way in which less failure translates into less power among Blacks is seen in gentrification. SWPLs wouldn’t have been able to gentrify inner cities if the crime rate didn’t fall in the last 25 years. Crime is to blacks what needles are to porcupines – it keeps others off their turf. Or kept.

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  32. “For example, it’s pretty embarrassing to have Ta-Nehisi Coates be thought of as your most foremost public intellectual, but then again black failure is a proven moneymaker.”

    Ta-Nehisi Coates today, Rachel Jeantel (or someone just like her) tomorrow. Race hustling does have one advantage over typical grievance mongering and that is its ability to play the Card, which in turn allows one to enter the upper strata of society in prestige as well as personal gain.

    Marx was mistaken. Race trumps social/economic class each and every time because it resides at a more visceral level within humanity’s nature.

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  33. @Luke Lea
    "from the Talented Tenth to the Unemployable Three Tenths" Nice phrase.

    What percentage of European Americans are unemployable?

    For a first approximation based just on the IQ distributions, three tenths of blacks means IQ 77 or less. That would be 6.26 percent of whites, which agrees pretty well with my impression from having grown up in an all-white population.

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    Whites and others can be employed even with very low IQs. Obviously not as engineers or accountants but they can do simple jobs and do them well. Unemployable whites make themselves unemployable with personal problems such as drug or alcohol issues. Blacks have those too but even when they are drug and alcohol free and of reasonable intelligence they have another issue. The inability to think and act rationally.

    We had a black IT director. He was barely competent in his position but since it was a municipal utility he didn't have to be good as outside contractors would be hired to do anything beyond the routine and he had white underlings to do the day to day work. He was basically a well paid supernumerary in charge of a department. What does he do? He gets caught selling old lap tops when new ones were issued. So he loses his $100,000 per year sinecure to try and illegally make a few thousand dollars on the side.

    We tried to have our work force represent the city population. Half black and half white, though since we also served a suburban county our total customer base was more 70% white and 30% black but to do this we had to hire 3 blacks for every white hired because black hires would inevitably get arrested or fail a drug test or violate some other policy and have to be terminated. It might be inappropriate sexual advances on a customer, theft, fighting etc but even when they were given the benefit of the doubt ( and they were) the behavior would reoccur and they would have to be let go. So despite the extra training costs to prevent the work force from gradually becoming mostly white this lopsided hiring ratio had to be maintained.

    Of course this had other effects. White employees were more experienced and capable as they stayed on the job but we had to promote inexperienced and less knowledgeable blacks to supervisory positions to maintain a racial balance above the entry level so you had a real Peter principle problem as well.

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  34. One thing that’s largely fallen out of Black discourse is “self determination”. You can go to a library and find reams of essays, poems, and agitprop about it from back in the day.

    It was a term that was all the rage in the left through the ’70′s, but now has disappeared. Anything that vaguely smacks of nationalism is now xenophobic and pure evil. Getting OT here, but the interesting contrast in how this country demonizes Russia for clinging to nationalistic sentiments but largely leaves China unscathed is worthy of a book in itself, one that would have to explore the absurdity of what’s not acceptable for “Whiteness”, and would have to also address the weird qualifications for being “White” in the first place- as I suspect that a chunk of the irrationality over Russia has to do whether they’re White or not.

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    demonizes Russia for clinging to nationalistic sentiments but largely leaves China unscathed ... as I suspect that a chunk of the irrationality over Russia has to do whether they’re White or not.
     
    The same can probably be said for why Russia was slammed over homosexual rights while India and other nations were not.
    , @SFG
    Yup.

    This is also one of the reasons the far left doesn't like Israel--they're whiter than the Palestinians, and get judged by the 'white' yardstick when it comes to repression (you don't see the Left forming huge groups to go after, say, East Timor.)

    Of course, the Israelis have the neocons and Jewish center-left going to bat for them.

    But Russia gets screwed twice--they're white, and anti-gay. We hear a lot about Russia making propounding gay rights illegal, but little about African countries making actually being gay illegal, as in killing people found having gay sex.

    , @Mr. Anon
    "anonas says:

    as I suspect that a chunk of the irrationality over Russia has to do whether they’re White or not."

    A big chunk of it has to do with where some peoples' grandparents came from.
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  35. Glossy says: • Website
    @Luke Lea
    "Christianity was successful not because Jesus was crucified, but because it was taken up by the Roman Empire (then the local heavyweight) a few hundred years later."

    You can't ignore those few hundred years during which Christianity went from zero to a significant presence in the Roman empire. Nor can you ignore developments following on the Protestant Reformation, especially Calvinism, which were not state backed.

    What the Catholic Church did after Constantine was (i) greatly expand the area of Christianity, particularly in northwest Europe, and (ii) transmit the Old and New Testaments to future generations, who took up the Gospel message in earnest again in one of its most transformative interpretations, which Weber put his finger on it in his The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism.

    It was no accident that almost all the major inventors and entrepreneurs who pioneered the Industrial Revolution in England were non-conformists. They took the accumulated crime and sacrifice of centuries (starting with the Crucifiction) and put it to good use. Redeeming evil as it were.

    I think I’ve read that when Constantine adopted Christianity about 10% of the Empire was Christian. The Empire created a single cultural space in an enormous area. Any robust ideology adopted by it could have been easily transmitted across that cultural space. Mithraism, Zoroastrianism or the ancient Egyptian religion could have also easily played that role. And later history would have turned out the same anyway.

    The English Puritans would have interpreted Seth and Horus in their typically English puritanical ways through sheer force of HBD. Luther would have led an austere Germanic revolt against Mediterranean excesses and corruption in the practice of Horus worship. Few things would be different now.

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    Any robust ideology adopted by it could have been easily transmitted across that cultural space. Mithraism, Zoroastrianism or the ancient Egyptian religion could have also easily played that role. And later history would have turned out the same anyway.

     

    That's just silly. History like life doesn't work in a predictable manner.
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  36. Big Bill says:
    @Luke Lea
    Could this be part of the reason that the Black Caucus shows so little interest in measures that might actually reduce black failure, e.g., more and better vocational training combined with measures like immigration control and restrictions on imports from low-wage countries like China that might increase the demand for African American labor?

    The Talented Tenth, like the Talented 1 Percenters, don’t care for competition.

    The larger the black victim base, the higher the TT will soar.

    If money is directed to poor blacks (eg vocational training), less money will go to the TT.

    If the racial disparities are reconceived as class issues, less money will go to the TT.

    The TT abandoned the black lower class to go live with the white folks, where their children could meet and mix with better (ie white) folks and they have never looked back. Simple economics.

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  37. Ed says:
    @Lot

    it’s that black America can’t honor its end of the bargain–to become peaceful and productive–due to a lack of human capital and will
     
    Yeah, of course. What is more interesting is that blacks lately haven't been honoring their bargain with white liberals: behave reasonably well and turn out to vote, and we'll keep the goodies from Uncle Sugar flowing.

    Sure they came out in 2008 and 2012, but 2010 had possibly the longest impact of any election in the past 100 years. Republicans won so big at the state level that year, they extensively gerrymandered states swing states like Ohio, Michigan, Florida, and Pennsylvania to the extent they get 3/4 of the seats while losing the state-wide popular vote in the House. They did the same to the state legislative districts. The GOP will thus control the House the entire decade, and then will gerrymander again with their lock on the same state legislatures, and hold the house until at least 2032.

    It was completely foreseeable that electing Obama would hurt the democrats with blue collar whites in these states, and the only way to make up for this was higher black turnout in off-year elections. But they just didn't show up.

    Now they are failing the second part of the bargain: keep up good appearances for the news. Instead, it is blacks, from the Talented Tenth to the Unemployable Three Tenths, who want to talk about black crime and especially how the horrible racist police* are trying way too hard to stop it, and also all of America is bad and racist too.

    *(Middle Americans, in poll after poll, show they have extremely high opinions of police, near the very top along with nurses, doctors, and firemen).

    If there is one issue that the Democrats don't want in the news, it is black crime. Black crime isn't just a bad issue for them, it is the issue that caused them to lose five elections in a row in New York City. It just caused them to lose elections for governor of Maryland and Massachusetts.

    My analysis of this lack of political discipline is mostly about the extremely competitive new media environment. The New York Times, and even more the many papers that had no local competition at all, used to give little coverage to both black crime and the angry, anti-police views of many, perhaps most blacks. Now those gatekeepers lack this power. If the average black wants to talk about how the police are evil, that's what will get talked about.

    The Dems are trapped though as evidenced by O’Malley’s capitulation to the blacklivesmatter interrupters.

    Heck even some GOP candidates are getting on board they realize getting a few more black voters flips key states for them. So we’re going to have a year or so of this nonsense.

    The only thing to get the Dems off the black everything kick is a complete drubbing in ’16.

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    The only thing to get the Dems off the black everything kick is a complete drubbing in ’16.
     
    Which is looking increasingly unlikely.
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  38. OT. Two BBC Radio 4 links

    A not very flattering profile of Trump by someone who sounds like the late John Peel. Should be there for a week at the link.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b063xz8j

    And last week’s ‘Life Scientific’ – featuring (in the studio) E.O. Wilson

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0639kzv

    “Known to many as the founding father of socio-biology, E O Wilson is a big hitter in the world of evolutionary theory. But, recently he’s criticised what’s popularly known as The Selfish Gene theory of evolution that he once worked so hard to promote (and that now underpins the mainstream view on evolution). “

    You may need to use a proxy server to get at these, I don’t know what the BBC do with programme access outside the UK. I’d try without first.

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  39. bomag says:
    @Lot
    Dale is wrong on several of his points.


    the perception that black Americans have suffered uniquely among peoples has them dominating politics and culture
     
    Politics: there is absolutely no "black dominance." Aside from Hawaii/Indonesia raised, half white Obama, blacks have been pretty unsuccessful in politics outside of special majority-black districts.

    Blacks are about 13% of the population and about 25% of Democratic voters, yet they are 0% of Democratic senators and 0% of Democratic governors. And if they have any dominance, it sure is hard to tell by the last 25 years: cuts to AFDC, open boarders for competing low-skill workers, gentrification of the choicest black neighborhoods, high rates of imprisonment, and a gradual decline in per capita civilian public employment, a very important source of jobs.

    There is certainly black dominance, or at least over-representation, in some aspects of low-brow popular culture. But that has little to nothing to do with "the perception that black Americans have suffered uniquely among peoples." Blacks are simply better at low-brow culture: sports, stand-up comedy, rapping, and dancing, than other groups.

    Where blacks benefit from liberal guilt/affirmative action isn't low culture, where they do fine on their own, but high culture. As Derb says, so much of black intellectual output is solipsistic black black blackety black, a never-ending "conversation about race." Coates is typical of this.

    they are 0% of Democratic senators and 0% of Democratic governors.

    But they might as well be Black, just looking at the voting record. What difference is there between Al Franken’s votes and a Black equivalent? In a way this is the best outcome: getting your way, but not having a front man to take the heat and damage the brand. Better to agitate from the sidelines and get your way than have one of your own embarrassing the People by getting caught with bribe money in the freezer.

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    Interestingly enough, the same reason we won't have a Jewish president anytime soon.
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  40. Boomstick says:

    Off topic: doping widespread in athletics. The test results seem to be focused on blood manipulation to increase red blood cell count.

    http://news.yahoo.com/wada-very-alarmed-doping-scandal-athletics-060755662–spt.html

    German television channel ARD and Britain’s Sunday Times newspaper said they had been leaked a database belonging to athletics governing body the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) with details of 12,000 blood tests from 5,000 competitors which revealed “extraordinary” levels of doping.

    At least a third of the medal-winners at world championships and Olympics between 2001 and 2012 had given suspicious tests.

    More than 80 percent of Russia’s medals were won by athletes with suspicious tests, while Kenya had 18 medals won by suspicious athletes.

    – The tests showed an increasing use of blood transfusions and hard to detect EPO micro-doses to boost red cell count and performances.

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    Well, they banned testosterone, and keep banning every other steroid that emulates it as they discover them, so it's not surprising people are going to turn to any chemical fix they can.
    , @Threecranes
    Broom, if you get netflix, there's a fine movie called "Pantini, the accidental death of a cyclist" about Marco Pantini and EPO, his disqualification and eventual death by overdose. It comes out that team members have no choice but to submit to the ministrations of the team doctor and must endure whatever he sees fit to inject into their bodies. The money quote was by his mom who said words to this effect "I sent my son away to race bicycles thinking that he would be healthy and safe, involved in the good atmosphere of sports, but they killed him".
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  41. iSteveFan says:
    @yaqub the mad scientist
    One thing that's largely fallen out of Black discourse is "self determination". You can go to a library and find reams of essays, poems, and agitprop about it from back in the day.

    It was a term that was all the rage in the left through the '70's, but now has disappeared. Anything that vaguely smacks of nationalism is now xenophobic and pure evil. Getting OT here, but the interesting contrast in how this country demonizes Russia for clinging to nationalistic sentiments but largely leaves China unscathed is worthy of a book in itself, one that would have to explore the absurdity of what's not acceptable for "Whiteness", and would have to also address the weird qualifications for being "White" in the first place- as I suspect that a chunk of the irrationality over Russia has to do whether they're White or not.

    demonizes Russia for clinging to nationalistic sentiments but largely leaves China unscathed … as I suspect that a chunk of the irrationality over Russia has to do whether they’re White or not.

    The same can probably be said for why Russia was slammed over homosexual rights while India and other nations were not.

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  42. @anon
    Very perceptive comment, Bill P. Add Shi'ites as another example of the huge number of cultures who get major mileage and powerful social solidarity out of keeping grievance alive through the centuries. It's only because America in particular has been on such a historical winning streak that we don't get the spiritual power of failure.

    But I think Dale's analysis is a little unfair, frankly. He makes passing reference to "black dominance in culture and sports" as though it's a small thing, but it's a big thing, as or more important than any other factor in determining the centrality of blacks in America's thinking about itself. Blacks are just flat-out charismatic, extroverted, aggressive, and creative. They took a central cultural position in music, sports, the arts, and oratory fair and square. Native Americans suffered and were victimized by whites more than anybody, but they don't have anything like the cultural or political centrality of blacks. Of course they are a far smaller population (part of that victimization thing), but they are comparatively unimportant even symbolically. No charisma.

    Blacks are just flat-out charismatic, extroverted, aggressive, and creative.

    And yet most white women want nothing to do with black men:

    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/

    Also, the creativity of blacks continues to be confined to sports and entertainment: in fields demanding major-league intellect, blacks are big flops. To the great enterprise of Western Civilization, in the domains of knowledge or theory or technology or institutions, what major contributions has any black made?

    The great benefactors of humanity are, to this day, white men.

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    I've seen several other sources corroborating the distaste most white women have for black men, as mating partners at least. So it's not a little curious that most white women on television (esp blondes) seem to choose black men...

    It's almost as though someone were pursuing an agenda....
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  43. SFG says:
    @Luke Lea
    Could this be part of the reason that the Black Caucus shows so little interest in measures that might actually reduce black failure rates, e.g., more and better vocational training combined with measures to reduce mass low-skilled immigration and restrict trade with low-wage countries that would increase the demand for African American labor?

    You might also have a bit of a principal-agent problem; success for a minority group often means assimilation. (Look at Jewish intermarriage rates.) Unz’s shutting down of bilingual education was good for la raza (because it encouraged their kids to learn English and move up), but bad for La Raza (because if Hispanics assimilate, they won’t be an oppressed poverty group, they’ll be tan Americans). Similarly, if black people succeed, they’ll move out of the ghetto, and not be around to vote for Adam Clayton Powell the Fifth anymore.

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    If there's more black people who succeeded, I guess Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson might be forced to find another job, lol. ;-)
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  44. Kylie says:
    @Anonymous
    This is basically history repeating itself. Rich blacks sold poor blacks into slavery to rich whites in the past. Today, black and white upper-class liberals gain power from the perpetuated dysfunction of the black lower classes.

    Today, black and white upper-class liberals gain power from the perpetuated dysfunction of the black lower classes.

    It’s only dysfunction in the context of white norms. What so many clueless whites refer to as “blacks behaving badly” is really just “blacks behaving typically”. Look at the behavior of Africans in Africa.

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  45. SFG says:
    @yaqub the mad scientist
    One thing that's largely fallen out of Black discourse is "self determination". You can go to a library and find reams of essays, poems, and agitprop about it from back in the day.

    It was a term that was all the rage in the left through the '70's, but now has disappeared. Anything that vaguely smacks of nationalism is now xenophobic and pure evil. Getting OT here, but the interesting contrast in how this country demonizes Russia for clinging to nationalistic sentiments but largely leaves China unscathed is worthy of a book in itself, one that would have to explore the absurdity of what's not acceptable for "Whiteness", and would have to also address the weird qualifications for being "White" in the first place- as I suspect that a chunk of the irrationality over Russia has to do whether they're White or not.

    Yup.

    This is also one of the reasons the far left doesn’t like Israel–they’re whiter than the Palestinians, and get judged by the ‘white’ yardstick when it comes to repression (you don’t see the Left forming huge groups to go after, say, East Timor.)

    Of course, the Israelis have the neocons and Jewish center-left going to bat for them.

    But Russia gets screwed twice–they’re white, and anti-gay. We hear a lot about Russia making propounding gay rights illegal, but little about African countries making actually being gay illegal, as in killing people found having gay sex.

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    And Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe teased Obama about that. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3144219/Robert-Mugabe-proposes-Barack-Obama-Zimbabwe-s-leader-says-travel-White-House-one-knee-ask-hand-mocks-legalisation-gay-marriage.html
    , @Kyle McKenna
    That settles it. I'm moving to Russia.

    I already have a dash cam.
    , @Pete
    I have thought the same thing about Israel, and so far your comment is the only other opinion I've seen that reflects mine. The left's hate for Israel isn't about its perceived oppression of the Arabs: it's really a byproduct of the doctrine that in 2015, European peoples are not allowed to protect their people, culture, and borders from destructive third-world savages, because they must atone for the offenses of their ancestors against people of color by importing them en masse and encouraging them to destroy their countries while the whites huddle in impotent self-loathing. It enrages the lefties no end that Israelis are virtually alone among whites in the world in being unashamedly proud of their heritage and culture, and refuse to surrender them to third-world thugs who have little to offer in return except crime and welfare dependency. Why can't those uppity Israelis be morally superior and enlightened like the Brits and Swedes who kneel in guilt-induced obeisance to the barbarians?
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  46. SFG says:
    @Boomstick
    Off topic: doping widespread in athletics. The test results seem to be focused on blood manipulation to increase red blood cell count.

    http://news.yahoo.com/wada-very-alarmed-doping-scandal-athletics-060755662--spt.html


    German television channel ARD and Britain's Sunday Times newspaper said they had been leaked a database belonging to athletics governing body the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) with details of 12,000 blood tests from 5,000 competitors which revealed "extraordinary" levels of doping.
    ...
    At least a third of the medal-winners at world championships and Olympics between 2001 and 2012 had given suspicious tests.
    ...
    More than 80 percent of Russia's medals were won by athletes with suspicious tests, while Kenya had 18 medals won by suspicious athletes.

    -- The tests showed an increasing use of blood transfusions and hard to detect EPO micro-doses to boost red cell count and performances.
     

    Well, they banned testosterone, and keep banning every other steroid that emulates it as they discover them, so it’s not surprising people are going to turn to any chemical fix they can.

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    I strongly suspect they're using various steroids, too. Red blood cell manipulations are all about increasing aerobic capacity by increasing the number of RBCs that can transport oxogen to the muscles, while steroids are usually about increasing strength. The steroid cortisone has generally the opposite effect, but can be useful for endurance sports by increasing the metabolic use of fat.
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  47. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @snorlax

    Their own fault for not having enough sense to avoid Philly.

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  48. NOTA says:
    @AndrewR
    To paraphrase Derb, to be a black in 2015 US is to have the world at your hands. All problems in the black community today can be blamed primarily on blacks themselves. If they spent a quarter of the energy they spend bitching about YT on improving their communities then they'd become decent places to live. Of course a large source, if not all, of their power comes from pretending they're just as oppressed as they were in 1850.

    For a group with the world at their hands, they sure aren’t doing very well. Lots of blacks in jail, lots of black crime victims, lots of very poor blacks, shorter life expectancy, and so on.

    Affirmative action is a sop to the high end of blacks who get their kids into better schools and get hired for better jobs. But it’s also kind-of poisonous, since it tends to create a lot of bright, capable blacks who are overmatched in their school, who get put in a spokesmodel kind of role in their job or get out in some reserved “executive chairman for diversity” job and deprived the chance to actually make something of themselves, etc. But whether those programs are a gift or a curse, none of them do much for the bottom tier of blacks, who mostly end up in prison or working off the books to dodge their child support judgments.

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    "lots of black crime victims"

    Yes, but they aren't exactly victims of white criminals, are they?
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  49. @NOTA
    For a group with the world at their hands, they sure aren't doing very well. Lots of blacks in jail, lots of black crime victims, lots of very poor blacks, shorter life expectancy, and so on.

    Affirmative action is a sop to the high end of blacks who get their kids into better schools and get hired for better jobs. But it's also kind-of poisonous, since it tends to create a lot of bright, capable blacks who are overmatched in their school, who get put in a spokesmodel kind of role in their job or get out in some reserved "executive chairman for diversity" job and deprived the chance to actually make something of themselves, etc. But whether those programs are a gift or a curse, none of them do much for the bottom tier of blacks, who mostly end up in prison or working off the books to dodge their child support judgments.

    “lots of black crime victims”

    Yes, but they aren’t exactly victims of white criminals, are they?

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  50. Brutusale says:
    @Lot
    Dale is wrong on several of his points.


    the perception that black Americans have suffered uniquely among peoples has them dominating politics and culture
     
    Politics: there is absolutely no "black dominance." Aside from Hawaii/Indonesia raised, half white Obama, blacks have been pretty unsuccessful in politics outside of special majority-black districts.

    Blacks are about 13% of the population and about 25% of Democratic voters, yet they are 0% of Democratic senators and 0% of Democratic governors. And if they have any dominance, it sure is hard to tell by the last 25 years: cuts to AFDC, open boarders for competing low-skill workers, gentrification of the choicest black neighborhoods, high rates of imprisonment, and a gradual decline in per capita civilian public employment, a very important source of jobs.

    There is certainly black dominance, or at least over-representation, in some aspects of low-brow popular culture. But that has little to nothing to do with "the perception that black Americans have suffered uniquely among peoples." Blacks are simply better at low-brow culture: sports, stand-up comedy, rapping, and dancing, than other groups.

    Where blacks benefit from liberal guilt/affirmative action isn't low culture, where they do fine on their own, but high culture. As Derb says, so much of black intellectual output is solipsistic black black blackety black, a never-ending "conversation about race." Coates is typical of this.

    U.S. Senators Cory Booker and Tim Scott thank you for awarding them honorary whitehood.

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    He missed Cory Booker, to be sure, but Tim Scott is a Republican, and therefore doesn't count. To have only one senator in 46 be black, in a party that gets 25% of its votes from blacks, still says a lot about how extremist black politicians are.
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  51. Mr. Anon says:
    @yaqub the mad scientist
    One thing that's largely fallen out of Black discourse is "self determination". You can go to a library and find reams of essays, poems, and agitprop about it from back in the day.

    It was a term that was all the rage in the left through the '70's, but now has disappeared. Anything that vaguely smacks of nationalism is now xenophobic and pure evil. Getting OT here, but the interesting contrast in how this country demonizes Russia for clinging to nationalistic sentiments but largely leaves China unscathed is worthy of a book in itself, one that would have to explore the absurdity of what's not acceptable for "Whiteness", and would have to also address the weird qualifications for being "White" in the first place- as I suspect that a chunk of the irrationality over Russia has to do whether they're White or not.

    “anonas says:

    as I suspect that a chunk of the irrationality over Russia has to do whether they’re White or not.”

    A big chunk of it has to do with where some peoples’ grandparents came from.

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  52. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    A case of racial refraction.

    Which racial group is suffering most from its exaggerated and obnoxious masculinity–and also harming other groups in the bargain?

    Blacks, of course.

    But it is taboo to speak of blacks as perpetrators than as victims.

    So, black problem, in order to be discussed, has to be refracted onto whites.

    It’s like pretending that Haven Monahans, than Jiveass Jones, are behind the rape epidemic in America.

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  53. Brutusale says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    "It just caused them to lose elections for governor of Maryland and Massachusetts."

    I call BS on this. I'm a conservative. I live in Massachusetts. I pay close attention to politics. The previous mulatto governor of Massachusetts, Deval Patrick, became quite popular after a few early missteps. He would easily have won a third term were it not for a two-term limit on the governorship. The new republican governor, Charley Baker, won the election primarily because his opponent, a white woman, was not very popular even within her own party and ran a poor campaign. Race was never an issue in Massachusetts's last gubernatorial campaign. I am now forced to wonder whether it played any role in Maryland's. Where did you come up with this drivel about Massachusetts?

    Were you asleep during Gov. Squeaky Toy’s second term? He finished his tenure as severely damaged goods, thanks to the incompetence of his coterie of mulattas like Beverly Scott, Olga Roche and Andrea Cabral.

    He couldn’t have beaten Coakley, never mind a squishy RINO like Baker!

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    I disagree with you. Patrick's polls were not great but strong enough to suggest he could have won a third term running against either Baker or Coakely. Anyone who does some web-based research can confirm this. I have to thank you for causing me to reread my original post. There was a really major error in it which I've tried to correct with a follow-on reply.
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  54. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot
    Dale is wrong on several of his points.


    the perception that black Americans have suffered uniquely among peoples has them dominating politics and culture
     
    Politics: there is absolutely no "black dominance." Aside from Hawaii/Indonesia raised, half white Obama, blacks have been pretty unsuccessful in politics outside of special majority-black districts.

    Blacks are about 13% of the population and about 25% of Democratic voters, yet they are 0% of Democratic senators and 0% of Democratic governors. And if they have any dominance, it sure is hard to tell by the last 25 years: cuts to AFDC, open boarders for competing low-skill workers, gentrification of the choicest black neighborhoods, high rates of imprisonment, and a gradual decline in per capita civilian public employment, a very important source of jobs.

    There is certainly black dominance, or at least over-representation, in some aspects of low-brow popular culture. But that has little to nothing to do with "the perception that black Americans have suffered uniquely among peoples." Blacks are simply better at low-brow culture: sports, stand-up comedy, rapping, and dancing, than other groups.

    Where blacks benefit from liberal guilt/affirmative action isn't low culture, where they do fine on their own, but high culture. As Derb says, so much of black intellectual output is solipsistic black black blackety black, a never-ending "conversation about race." Coates is typical of this.

    “Blacks are about 13% of the population and about 25% of Democratic voters, yet they are 0% of Democratic senators and 0% of Democratic governors. And if they have any dominance, it sure is hard to tell by the last 25 years: cuts to AFDC, open boarders for competing low-skill workers, gentrification of the choicest black neighborhoods, high rates of imprisonment, and a gradual decline in per capita civilian public employment, a very important source of jobs.”

    Those complaints presuppose that blacks are particularly concerned about their labor-force participation and are motivated by a desire to avoid incarceration.

    I have not noticed that to be the case. I have not heard a great outcry from blacks about illegal aliens. It hasn’t seemed to affect their voting habits. And a lot of black men seem to have no particular problem with being shuffled off to prison for years on end; for them they seem to view being a prisoner as their “job”.

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    The more jobs they largely didn't want anyway are taken from blacks by latino immigrants, the more YT will be taxed to maintain blacks at their present standard of living

    I read somewhere that the average black welfare mother now receives benefits that correspond to a $38,000 income in the private sector. They're not about to let go of that, not voluntarily.

    They're not worried about the illegals because they don't see things in terms of cause and effect as we do. They believe that money will continue magically falling from the skies for them regardless of how many latinos enter the US. In the short term they're probably right, and the short term is all they concern themselves with.

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  55. Wilkey says:
    @Brutusale
    U.S. Senators Cory Booker and Tim Scott thank you for awarding them honorary whitehood.

    He missed Cory Booker, to be sure, but Tim Scott is a Republican, and therefore doesn’t count. To have only one senator in 46 be black, in a party that gets 25% of its votes from blacks, still says a lot about how extremist black politicians are.

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    I can't believe this conversation has legs. Senators are elected at-large, state by state. Do the three of you really not know this??

    The Congressional Black Caucus has 43 members, give or take a couple non-voting from DC and USVI. Chiefly because the House is elected from districts, and among other things, districts can be gerrymandered.

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  56. Mr. Anon says:

    “For example, it’s pretty embarrassing to have Ta-Nehisi Coates be thought of as your most foremost public intellectual,…..”

    The same could be said about having Charles Krauthammer as your foremost public intellectual.

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  57. Boomstick says:
    @SFG
    Well, they banned testosterone, and keep banning every other steroid that emulates it as they discover them, so it's not surprising people are going to turn to any chemical fix they can.

    I strongly suspect they’re using various steroids, too. Red blood cell manipulations are all about increasing aerobic capacity by increasing the number of RBCs that can transport oxogen to the muscles, while steroids are usually about increasing strength. The steroid cortisone has generally the opposite effect, but can be useful for endurance sports by increasing the metabolic use of fat.

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  59. tbraton says:
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    "Christianity was successful not because Jesus was crucified, but because it was taken up by the Roman Empire (then the local heavyweight) a few hundred years later."

    You can't ignore those few hundred years during which Christianity went from zero to a significant presence in the Roman empire. Nor can you ignore developments following on the Protestant Reformation, especially Calvinism, which were not state backed.

    What the Catholic Church did after Constantine was (i) greatly expand the area of Christianity, particularly in northwest Europe, and (ii) transmit the Old and New Testaments to future generations, who took up the Gospel message in earnest again in one of its most transformative interpretations, which Weber put his finger on it in his The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism.

    It was no accident that almost all the major inventors and entrepreneurs who pioneered the Industrial Revolution in England were non-conformists. They took the accumulated crime and sacrifice of centuries (starting with the Crucifiction) and put it to good use. Redeeming evil as it were.

    “You can’t ignore those few hundred years during which Christianity went from zero to a significant presence in the Roman empire.”

    I happen to recall reading long ago that Christians composed no more than 10 percent of the population of the Roman Empire before Constantine. Wikipedia agrees with my memory: “While many people tend to exaggerate the growth of Christianity before the 4th century, ninety percent of the empire was not Christian, and there is no evidence that Christianity could have continued to grow. It was the support of the emperor Constantine that transformed Christianity into a driving force in the Roman Empire. “Most authorities agree that by 300 A.D., between seven and ten percent of the population of the Roman Empire were Christian.” (Freeman, 215)” https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Roman_Culture/Constantine_and_early_Christianity Between 7 and 10 percent of the population cannot be characterized as a significant presence.

    It was not so much the actions of Constantine which cemented the hold of Christianity, since he merely declared toleration of Christians and stopped persecution of Christians. It was the later move by Emperor Theodosius which made Christianity the official religion of the Empire that sealed the deal. Once official, Christians turned around and started persecuting other religions. Theodosius was also the Emperor who banned the Olympic Games as a “pagan cult” in 393 A.D. Between Constantine and Theodosius came the remarkable Justine (after whom I named a favorite cat, or was that after the character “Justine” in Lawrence Durrell’s “Alexandria Quarter”?) tried unsuccessfuly to turn the clock back and restore the ancient pagan cults before meeting an untimely death.

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    Restoring paganism? I think that was Julian the Apostate.

    Justine was named after one of the Marquis de Sade's protagonists, as I recall.
    , @Kyle McKenna
    Theodosius not only banned the games, his persecution of homosexual activity was invoked by Byron White in Bowers v Hardwick as proof that official (hence justified) distaste for homo activities went as far back as the Romans. Of course, lots of Romans (esp before then) would have differed.

    Whatever its other merits, White's majority opinion started me on the road toward a critical reading of SC jurisprudence. Cherry-picking legal and historical precedent by USSC clerks, who knew?!

    , @Luke Lea
    re: growth of Christianity before Constantine

    “Most authorities agree that by 300 A.D., between seven and ten percent of the population of the Roman Empire were Christian.” (Freeman, 215)” https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Roman_Culture/Constantine_and_early_Christianity Between 7 and 10 percent of the population cannot be characterized as a significant presence.

    It certainly got the Emperor's attention. But be that as it may, between 7 and 10 percent of 50 million (the estimated population of the Roman empire, as I recall from my reading) comes to between three-and-a-half and five million people. From, let us say 12 disciples to 3,600,000 in 300 years equals an annual rate of growth of what? Not sure off the top of my head but I bet that if Christianity had continued to grow at that rate it would have been more than enough to reach saturation quite quickly. It might be easier to argue that Constantine's intervention, and all the other state interventions after that, had a retrograde effect on Christianity's rate of growth. Not sure though. Would be interesting.

    , @David R. Merridale
    Christians tended to live in cities, so the Christian share of the urban population (the empire was 80% rural) would have been much higher than 7-10%.
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  60. Svigor says:
    @Bill P
    Failure is powerful stuff. Ever wonder why Christians bow down before the cross? Objectively speaking, being crucified hardly seems like a triumph, but look what grew out of it. Southern whites are politically cohesive not because they made a good show in the Civil War, but because they lost. Similarly, Ashkenazi Jews aren't a force to be reckoned with because they had such a winning streak back in the old country, but because they regularly got thrashed.

    We white Americans truly are victims of our own success. I'm afraid we're going to have suffer some more losses before we get our act together again.

    I suppose one could make the argument that black failure can also be seen as black martyrdom. Martyrdom has enormous spiritual appeal, perhaps especially so to people lacking any common faith. It's essentially become our state religion so, yes, liberal whites probably do have some spiritual investment in black failure.

    Southern whites are politically cohesive not because they made a good show in the Civil War, but because they lost.

    True, a shared sense of loss is a powerful uniting factor. But southern whites are politically cohesive because Diversity of the Black Kind.

    Similarly, Ashkenazi Jews aren’t a force to be reckoned with because they had such a winning streak back in the old country, but because they regularly got thrashed.

    I think it’s more their false Narrative of same (inter alia), but the effect is similar (but vulnerable to debunking).

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  61. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Jeb Bush: illegal immigration is an act of love.

    So, illegal entry is an act of love.

    He might as well say rape is an act of love.

    This guy really is a ‘cuckservative’.

    Geo-rape my nation please.

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    Marriage to an ethnic should really make a White voter treat the candidate as a hostile alien. The partners will often pester and nitpick at their husband until he legislates for another ethnicity.

    It's the same as sexually ambiguous transvestites. When have you seen a really balanced and sane one? All mixed identities create tension and sickness.
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  62. Svigor says:
    @snorlax

    HitchBOT completes journey across Canada
    HitchBOT returns from German adventure with souvenirs, stories
    HitchBOT to start U.S. journey
    HitchBOT destroyed in Philadelphia, ending U.S. tour

    Classic.

    First black-on-bot crime.

    The Wikipedia page on HitchBOT declines to mention where he bit the dust.

    First media coverup of black-on-bot crime.

    Double classic.

    It occurs that the fears of AI run amok are overblown. White/SJW programmers are NOT going to let AI be race-realist. Ergo, if AI goes amok, blacks will defeat it with Knockout Game.

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    More like random pointless vandalism will limit the impact of AI. It will probably be technically possible to have driverless vans instead of busses in urban areas. They'd probably get stolen and stripped in short order, though.
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  63. Svigor says:

    Race-realist programming could have saved HitchBOT. They should have done it for the children.

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  65. Svigor says:

    I laughed so hard I almost puked.

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    He must've run into this guy:
    https://youtu.be/rNAWjLWkdDk
    , @Anonymous, @Anon
    http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/heres-video-of-the-jerk-who-killed-hitchbot-1721797093

    Hard to tell the race of attacker. But skin doesn't look black.
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  66. carol says:
    @J1234

    Failure is powerful stuff.
     
    I heard a liberal musician claim, during a concert, that defeated or oppressed cultures created more interesting music than dominant cultures. Not exactly true, however. Although jazz had a lot of influence in the early 20th century, I can't think of any music more boring or mundane or simplistic than traditional American Indian music.

    It would hold true for white southern Appalachian music, though. And Celtic music.

    I dunno, Bach, Beethoven and Rachmaninoff made pretty interesting music in their day. Though they did make use of local native music and dances.

    You could say Chopin and Paderewski were oppressed Poles.

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    I dunno, Bach, Beethoven and Rachmaninoff made pretty interesting music in their day. Though they did make use of local native music and dances.

    You could say Chopin and Paderewski were oppressed Poles.
     
    And then there were the Italians…
    , @Peter Akuleyev

    I dunno, Bach, Beethoven and Rachmaninoff made pretty interesting music in their day.
     
    If you really wanted to push this thesis, Beethoven (plus Mozart, Schubert et al.) all lived at a time when ethnic Germans felt like second class citizens due to the inability of ethnic Germans to form a nation state, maybe you can Bach to that thesis too, and Rachmaninoff isn't all that great. Probably still a stretch though.
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  67. Boomstick says:
    @Svigor

    HitchBOT completes journey across Canada
    HitchBOT returns from German adventure with souvenirs, stories
    HitchBOT to start U.S. journey
    HitchBOT destroyed in Philadelphia, ending U.S. tour
     
    Classic.

    First black-on-bot crime.

    The Wikipedia page on HitchBOT declines to mention where he bit the dust.

    First media coverup of black-on-bot crime.

    Double classic.

    It occurs that the fears of AI run amok are overblown. White/SJW programmers are NOT going to let AI be race-realist. Ergo, if AI goes amok, blacks will defeat it with Knockout Game.

    More like random pointless vandalism will limit the impact of AI. It will probably be technically possible to have driverless vans instead of busses in urban areas. They’d probably get stolen and stripped in short order, though.

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  69. Hrw-500 says:
    @SFG
    Yup.

    This is also one of the reasons the far left doesn't like Israel--they're whiter than the Palestinians, and get judged by the 'white' yardstick when it comes to repression (you don't see the Left forming huge groups to go after, say, East Timor.)

    Of course, the Israelis have the neocons and Jewish center-left going to bat for them.

    But Russia gets screwed twice--they're white, and anti-gay. We hear a lot about Russia making propounding gay rights illegal, but little about African countries making actually being gay illegal, as in killing people found having gay sex.

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  70. Hrw-500 says:
    @SFG
    You might also have a bit of a principal-agent problem; success for a minority group often means assimilation. (Look at Jewish intermarriage rates.) Unz's shutting down of bilingual education was good for la raza (because it encouraged their kids to learn English and move up), but bad for La Raza (because if Hispanics assimilate, they won't be an oppressed poverty group, they'll be tan Americans). Similarly, if black people succeed, they'll move out of the ghetto, and not be around to vote for Adam Clayton Powell the Fifth anymore.

    If there’s more black people who succeeded, I guess Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson might be forced to find another job, lol. ;-)

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  71. Keith Vaz [AKA "Kenny Logan"] says:
    @Anon
    Jeb Bush: illegal immigration is an act of love.

    So, illegal entry is an act of love.

    He might as well say rape is an act of love.

    This guy really is a 'cuckservative'.

    Geo-rape my nation please.

    Marriage to an ethnic should really make a White voter treat the candidate as a hostile alien. The partners will often pester and nitpick at their husband until he legislates for another ethnicity.

    It’s the same as sexually ambiguous transvestites. When have you seen a really balanced and sane one? All mixed identities create tension and sickness.

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  72. Kaz says:

    To be fair it’s been less than 50 years since institutional racism codified in law was torn down, I think it will take more time..

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  73. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Svigor
    http://i.imgur.com/Wk2Zx5g.jpg

    I laughed so hard I almost puked.

    He must’ve run into this guy:

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    Now I'm trying to remember if those two linebacker robots in Ice Pirates were supposed to be black. I know we've had a Jewish droid, Joan Rivers in Spaceballs, but I can't remember any black robots, outside of the one in Futurama. Dass Raciss. Oh, wait, there are some in the Transformers, LOL.

    So he loses his $100,000 per year sinecure to try and illegally make a few thousand dollars on the side.
     
    I've said it many times before, but I'm not convinced black impulsiveness is all down to IQ. I think it varies independently from IQ (though probably still correlated). I think even after you correct for IQ, blacks are still a lot more impulsive.
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  74. Chiron says:

    “Marx was mistaken. Race trumps social/economic class each and every time because it resides at a more visceral level within humanity’s nature.”

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  75. Chiron says:
    @Bill P
    Failure is powerful stuff. Ever wonder why Christians bow down before the cross? Objectively speaking, being crucified hardly seems like a triumph, but look what grew out of it. Southern whites are politically cohesive not because they made a good show in the Civil War, but because they lost. Similarly, Ashkenazi Jews aren't a force to be reckoned with because they had such a winning streak back in the old country, but because they regularly got thrashed.

    We white Americans truly are victims of our own success. I'm afraid we're going to have suffer some more losses before we get our act together again.

    I suppose one could make the argument that black failure can also be seen as black martyrdom. Martyrdom has enormous spiritual appeal, perhaps especially so to people lacking any common faith. It's essentially become our state religion so, yes, liberal whites probably do have some spiritual investment in black failure.

    9/11 was a major failure for the US security apparatus but no one was really punished for it, most got promoted.

    Alfreda Frances Bikowsky was the CIA official who withheld information about the incoming attack in the US from the FBI, the torture program is her idea but she became the main character of the movie Zero-dark-something and now is a CIA “General” according to recent news.

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  76. ABN says:
    @snorlax

    Bot lives matter!

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  77. Stealth says:
    @anon
    Very perceptive comment, Bill P. Add Shi'ites as another example of the huge number of cultures who get major mileage and powerful social solidarity out of keeping grievance alive through the centuries. It's only because America in particular has been on such a historical winning streak that we don't get the spiritual power of failure.

    But I think Dale's analysis is a little unfair, frankly. He makes passing reference to "black dominance in culture and sports" as though it's a small thing, but it's a big thing, as or more important than any other factor in determining the centrality of blacks in America's thinking about itself. Blacks are just flat-out charismatic, extroverted, aggressive, and creative. They took a central cultural position in music, sports, the arts, and oratory fair and square. Native Americans suffered and were victimized by whites more than anybody, but they don't have anything like the cultural or political centrality of blacks. Of course they are a far smaller population (part of that victimization thing), but they are comparatively unimportant even symbolically. No charisma.

    Blacks are just flat-out charismatic, extroverted, aggressive, and creative. They took a central cultural position in music, sports, the arts, and oratory fair and square.

    Negative. I don’t agree with that claim. Did you grow up in an area with a substantial black population? If you had, you wouldn’t think that.

    I’d say the opposite is actually true; for the most part, black people are mind-numbingly dull, the majority of them having nothing interesting to say at all. Half their entertainment value lies in their frequent hooting and hollering, and white people who haven’t been exposed to many black people in real life consider this behavior delightful. They just don’t know how fast it gets old. As someone who’s lived in a majority black place my entire life, I’ve never had the opportunity to view such antics as novel or foreign, so it baffles me to hear a white person describe black people in such terms.

    American blacks are heavily romanticized and mythologized. This is especially true when it comes to America’s musical traditions. Well, blues and jazz are boring, and black people didn’t invent rock-n-roll all on their own, either. The less said about rap, the better.

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  78. bomag says:
    @anon
    Very perceptive comment, Bill P. Add Shi'ites as another example of the huge number of cultures who get major mileage and powerful social solidarity out of keeping grievance alive through the centuries. It's only because America in particular has been on such a historical winning streak that we don't get the spiritual power of failure.

    But I think Dale's analysis is a little unfair, frankly. He makes passing reference to "black dominance in culture and sports" as though it's a small thing, but it's a big thing, as or more important than any other factor in determining the centrality of blacks in America's thinking about itself. Blacks are just flat-out charismatic, extroverted, aggressive, and creative. They took a central cultural position in music, sports, the arts, and oratory fair and square. Native Americans suffered and were victimized by whites more than anybody, but they don't have anything like the cultural or political centrality of blacks. Of course they are a far smaller population (part of that victimization thing), but they are comparatively unimportant even symbolically. No charisma.

    Native Americans suffered and were victimized by whites more than anybody

    Oh please. Most Native Americans blended into White society. Those left on reservations are loved to a great degree by the usual suspects, loved probably more than any other victim group. The money flow to Tribal gov’t et al is huge. They have their own department, the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

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  79. Stealth says:
    @anon
    Very perceptive comment, Bill P. Add Shi'ites as another example of the huge number of cultures who get major mileage and powerful social solidarity out of keeping grievance alive through the centuries. It's only because America in particular has been on such a historical winning streak that we don't get the spiritual power of failure.

    But I think Dale's analysis is a little unfair, frankly. He makes passing reference to "black dominance in culture and sports" as though it's a small thing, but it's a big thing, as or more important than any other factor in determining the centrality of blacks in America's thinking about itself. Blacks are just flat-out charismatic, extroverted, aggressive, and creative. They took a central cultural position in music, sports, the arts, and oratory fair and square. Native Americans suffered and were victimized by whites more than anybody, but they don't have anything like the cultural or political centrality of blacks. Of course they are a far smaller population (part of that victimization thing), but they are comparatively unimportant even symbolically. No charisma.

    Sorry, I should only have copied that first sentence, not the second. Consider my previous reply to apply only to the following sentence:

    Blacks are just flat-out charismatic, extroverted, aggressive, and creative.

    I do think their “prominence” is a little exaggerated, though.

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  80. unit472 says:
    @John Derbyshire
    For a first approximation based just on the IQ distributions, three tenths of blacks means IQ 77 or less. That would be 6.26 percent of whites, which agrees pretty well with my impression from having grown up in an all-white population.

    Whites and others can be employed even with very low IQs. Obviously not as engineers or accountants but they can do simple jobs and do them well. Unemployable whites make themselves unemployable with personal problems such as drug or alcohol issues. Blacks have those too but even when they are drug and alcohol free and of reasonable intelligence they have another issue. The inability to think and act rationally.

    We had a black IT director. He was barely competent in his position but since it was a municipal utility he didn’t have to be good as outside contractors would be hired to do anything beyond the routine and he had white underlings to do the day to day work. He was basically a well paid supernumerary in charge of a department. What does he do? He gets caught selling old lap tops when new ones were issued. So he loses his $100,000 per year sinecure to try and illegally make a few thousand dollars on the side.

    We tried to have our work force represent the city population. Half black and half white, though since we also served a suburban county our total customer base was more 70% white and 30% black but to do this we had to hire 3 blacks for every white hired because black hires would inevitably get arrested or fail a drug test or violate some other policy and have to be terminated. It might be inappropriate sexual advances on a customer, theft, fighting etc but even when they were given the benefit of the doubt ( and they were) the behavior would reoccur and they would have to be let go. So despite the extra training costs to prevent the work force from gradually becoming mostly white this lopsided hiring ratio had to be maintained.

    Of course this had other effects. White employees were more experienced and capable as they stayed on the job but we had to promote inexperienced and less knowledgeable blacks to supervisory positions to maintain a racial balance above the entry level so you had a real Peter principle problem as well.

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    In essence, a work ethic. Aside from typical honesty and integrity issues, as you note, which have sidelined many a negro political career. Disproportionately, before anyone pounces.

    The question of the 'unemployable 3/10ths' got me to thinking. Many could indeed be trained for relatively menial and/or physical work, but there are so many countervailing forces: large-scale immigration of untrained laborers pushing down pay scales, for example, which dovetails all-too-neatly with the welfare-state disincentive to work in the first place.

    And moreover, a popular, media-saturated notion that even the 3/10ths would be neurosurgeons and nuclear physicists if only the Man weren't keeping them down.

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    My father was a construction contractor and an old-time, urban, northern Democrat. He several times made the noble experiment of trying to add Negroes to his work crews. It never panned out. They screwed up in dangerous ways on the work site. They would regularly be late or fail entirely to show up for work. That cost my father a lot in downtime. It wasn't that they couldn't do the work. They just didn't seem to understand that they had to show up at the same time every day for work, pay attention to instructions, and not slack off at critical junctures.

    I taught sociology in the 1970s and it was regularly recommended that I use the text "Tally's Corner", a participant observation study of a small group of Negro layabouts in DC. These guys had all kinds of excuses for why they would not take or could not get the readily available construction jobs that were always available in their neighborhood. Thinking of my father's experiences, I laughed out loud when I read the feeble excuses - endorsed by the naive author - these men provided for their permanaent welfare status. I later decided that one of the current neccessary perquisites for being a respected sociologist in this country is a willful blindness to many social realities.
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  81. ABN says:
    @The Z Blog
    You're thinking of this way too narrowly. Black pols may not dominate, but "the black problem" does dominate. If you doubt that, try repeating what you just said at your next staff meeting or in front of the HR people. You're fired in an hour.

    Blacks have been given a form of the heckler's veto over public discourse.

    Yes, this.

    Blacks are the mascots of modern Leftism, and the inversion of failure that Dennis Dale is talking about permeates the way we now talk about anything and everything.

    Hence all the Yakov Smirnoff rhetoric from politicians about how “Our schools are failing Mexicans!” and “The legal system is failing blacks!” and “The tech industry is failing women!”, etc.

    Another way to look at it is to think of blacks as an ersatz Christ figure for a post-Christian society. You can see this in references to America’s “original sin” and in the Morgan Freeman “numinous negro” archetype. It’s a means of harnessing the Christian last-shall-be-first sensibility to Cultural Marxism.

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  82. SFG says:
    @tbraton
    "You can’t ignore those few hundred years during which Christianity went from zero to a significant presence in the Roman empire."

    I happen to recall reading long ago that Christians composed no more than 10 percent of the population of the Roman Empire before Constantine. Wikipedia agrees with my memory: "While many people tend to exaggerate the growth of Christianity before the 4th century, ninety percent of the empire was not Christian, and there is no evidence that Christianity could have continued to grow. It was the support of the emperor Constantine that transformed Christianity into a driving force in the Roman Empire. “Most authorities agree that by 300 A.D., between seven and ten percent of the population of the Roman Empire were Christian.” (Freeman, 215)" https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Roman_Culture/Constantine_and_early_Christianity Between 7 and 10 percent of the population cannot be characterized as a significant presence.

    It was not so much the actions of Constantine which cemented the hold of Christianity, since he merely declared toleration of Christians and stopped persecution of Christians. It was the later move by Emperor Theodosius which made Christianity the official religion of the Empire that sealed the deal. Once official, Christians turned around and started persecuting other religions. Theodosius was also the Emperor who banned the Olympic Games as a "pagan cult" in 393 A.D. Between Constantine and Theodosius came the remarkable Justine (after whom I named a favorite cat, or was that after the character "Justine" in Lawrence Durrell's "Alexandria Quarter"?) tried unsuccessfuly to turn the clock back and restore the ancient pagan cults before meeting an untimely death.

    Restoring paganism? I think that was Julian the Apostate.

    Justine was named after one of the Marquis de Sade’s protagonists, as I recall.

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    My error. A brain fart. I think I was suffering from low blood sugar when I posted. It must have been the fond thoughts of my favorite cat, the late Justine. They both start with "Ju," just like Justinian. At least I didn't say David Justice or Julius Caesar, so it could have been a lot worse.
    , @tbraton
    "Justine was named after one of the Marquis de Sade’s protagonists, as I recall."

    That's correct, and it was the source of the name of Lawrence Durrell's character. "Justine" was also the name of the first novel in the tetralogy he wrote, "The Alexandria Quartet," and Justine was a recurring character in each of the following three novels. Actually the person who named my cat was a female friend who originally bought the Burmese kitten but then discovered she was allergic to cats after she brought her home. She offered me the 3-month old kitten, and I accepted the first Burmese cat I had ever seen, much less owned. I was so impressed that I would never have another cat that wasn't a Burmese. The reason she selected that name was because the sable-colored cat (with yellow eyes) evoked the dark-haired character in Durrell's book, which was also a favorite read of hers.
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  83. donut says:
    @Keith Vaz
    "a lack of human capital and will".

    What? Didn't they have Black History Month at your high school? I believe the inventor of the super-soaker was black.

    No , when I was in HS they still knew their place .

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  84. SFG says:
    @Luke Lea
    "Christianity was successful not because Jesus was crucified, but because it was taken up by the Roman Empire (then the local heavyweight) a few hundred years later."

    You can't ignore those few hundred years during which Christianity went from zero to a significant presence in the Roman empire. Nor can you ignore developments following on the Protestant Reformation, especially Calvinism, which were not state backed.

    What the Catholic Church did after Constantine was (i) greatly expand the area of Christianity, particularly in northwest Europe, and (ii) transmit the Old and New Testaments to future generations, who took up the Gospel message in earnest again in one of its most transformative interpretations, which Weber put his finger on it in his The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism.

    It was no accident that almost all the major inventors and entrepreneurs who pioneered the Industrial Revolution in England were non-conformists. They took the accumulated crime and sacrifice of centuries (starting with the Crucifiction) and put it to good use. Redeeming evil as it were.

    Not ignoring–actually, it strengthens my point that it was success, not failure, that helped Christianity. ;) They did a lot of things right!

    I’d argue inventors and entrepreneurs would tend to be nonconformists in general. The particular strengths of Christianity I’ll leave to Rodney Stark, but I remember at least the idea of absolute truth being useful in the natural sciences (although perhaps not so much in other spheres). Monogamy also limits female hypergamy and means beta males such as engineers and scientists who are important to the species have a chance to pass on their genes.

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  85. @Brutusale
    Were you asleep during Gov. Squeaky Toy's second term? He finished his tenure as severely damaged goods, thanks to the incompetence of his coterie of mulattas like Beverly Scott, Olga Roche and Andrea Cabral.

    He couldn't have beaten Coakley, never mind a squishy RINO like Baker!

    I disagree with you. Patrick’s polls were not great but strong enough to suggest he could have won a third term running against either Baker or Coakely. Anyone who does some web-based research can confirm this. I have to thank you for causing me to reread my original post. There was a really major error in it which I’ve tried to correct with a follow-on reply.

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  86. @Jus' Sayin'...
    "It just caused them to lose elections for governor of Maryland and Massachusetts."

    I call BS on this. I'm a conservative. I live in Massachusetts. I pay close attention to politics. The previous mulatto governor of Massachusetts, Deval Patrick, became quite popular after a few early missteps. He would easily have won a third term were it not for a two-term limit on the governorship. The new republican governor, Charley Baker, won the election primarily because his opponent, a white woman, was not very popular even within her own party and ran a poor campaign. Race was never an issue in Massachusetts's last gubernatorial campaign. I am now forced to wonder whether it played any role in Maryland's. Where did you come up with this drivel about Massachusetts?

    I apologize for a major error in my original post. Massachusetts does not have term limits. Deval Patrick chose not to run for a third term as governor. There were several reasons for this but dangerously weak poll results was not one of them.

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    Based on Patrick and Obama, never mind the bulk of the group, a good research project would be one that predicts the point where the sheer incompetence of a black politician overcomes the warm and fuzzy feeling the moonbat voter gets from supporting them.
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  87. Anonym says:

    OT: This article is gold and you have to read it if you haven’t done so already.

    http://www.unz.com/article/first-they-ignore-you-then-you-laugh-at-them-then-you-win/

    Some of the posting in here is inspired:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/29/cuckservative-the-conservative-insult-of-the-month-explained/

    I’d rather be called a racist than be a cuckservative. And I hope Trump wins this one. Hell, if he enacted border security, deported all the illegals, maybe even rescinded the anchor citizenships, enacted laws preventing Carlos Slim from owning the NYT… he might wrest America back for us.

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  88. tbraton says:
    @SFG
    Restoring paganism? I think that was Julian the Apostate.

    Justine was named after one of the Marquis de Sade's protagonists, as I recall.

    My error. A brain fart. I think I was suffering from low blood sugar when I posted. It must have been the fond thoughts of my favorite cat, the late Justine. They both start with “Ju,” just like Justinian. At least I didn’t say David Justice or Julius Caesar, so it could have been a lot worse.

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  89. Felix says:

    For example, it’s pretty embarrassing to have Ta-Nehisi Coates be thought of as your most foremost public intellectual, but then again black failure is a proven moneymaker.

    On the very contrary, I would give up my rhetorical left-nut to have a Nehisi Coates analog thought of as white people’s foremost public intellectual. As it is, “white people” don’t exist as a construct outside of “white booty to be plundered” and as a non-entity, they don’t have any public intellectuals, foremost or otherwise. As a result, we are taxed, killed, raped, and insulted with massive glee by all and sundry. Now that’s pretty embarrassing.

    I’m glad though that at least some of us derive joy from ill-placed intellectual snobbery. Weak leavings but better than nothing I suppose.

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  90. tbraton says:
    @SFG
    Restoring paganism? I think that was Julian the Apostate.

    Justine was named after one of the Marquis de Sade's protagonists, as I recall.

    “Justine was named after one of the Marquis de Sade’s protagonists, as I recall.”

    That’s correct, and it was the source of the name of Lawrence Durrell’s character. “Justine” was also the name of the first novel in the tetralogy he wrote, “The Alexandria Quartet,” and Justine was a recurring character in each of the following three novels. Actually the person who named my cat was a female friend who originally bought the Burmese kitten but then discovered she was allergic to cats after she brought her home. She offered me the 3-month old kitten, and I accepted the first Burmese cat I had ever seen, much less owned. I was so impressed that I would never have another cat that wasn’t a Burmese. The reason she selected that name was because the sable-colored cat (with yellow eyes) evoked the dark-haired character in Durrell’s book, which was also a favorite read of hers.

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  91. @Ed
    The Dems are trapped though as evidenced by O'Malley's capitulation to the blacklivesmatter interrupters.

    Heck even some GOP candidates are getting on board they realize getting a few more black voters flips key states for them. So we're going to have a year or so of this nonsense.

    The only thing to get the Dems off the black everything kick is a complete drubbing in '16.

    The only thing to get the Dems off the black everything kick is a complete drubbing in ’16.

    Which is looking increasingly unlikely.

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  92. @unit472
    Whites and others can be employed even with very low IQs. Obviously not as engineers or accountants but they can do simple jobs and do them well. Unemployable whites make themselves unemployable with personal problems such as drug or alcohol issues. Blacks have those too but even when they are drug and alcohol free and of reasonable intelligence they have another issue. The inability to think and act rationally.

    We had a black IT director. He was barely competent in his position but since it was a municipal utility he didn't have to be good as outside contractors would be hired to do anything beyond the routine and he had white underlings to do the day to day work. He was basically a well paid supernumerary in charge of a department. What does he do? He gets caught selling old lap tops when new ones were issued. So he loses his $100,000 per year sinecure to try and illegally make a few thousand dollars on the side.

    We tried to have our work force represent the city population. Half black and half white, though since we also served a suburban county our total customer base was more 70% white and 30% black but to do this we had to hire 3 blacks for every white hired because black hires would inevitably get arrested or fail a drug test or violate some other policy and have to be terminated. It might be inappropriate sexual advances on a customer, theft, fighting etc but even when they were given the benefit of the doubt ( and they were) the behavior would reoccur and they would have to be let go. So despite the extra training costs to prevent the work force from gradually becoming mostly white this lopsided hiring ratio had to be maintained.

    Of course this had other effects. White employees were more experienced and capable as they stayed on the job but we had to promote inexperienced and less knowledgeable blacks to supervisory positions to maintain a racial balance above the entry level so you had a real Peter principle problem as well.

    In essence, a work ethic. Aside from typical honesty and integrity issues, as you note, which have sidelined many a negro political career. Disproportionately, before anyone pounces.

    The question of the ‘unemployable 3/10ths’ got me to thinking. Many could indeed be trained for relatively menial and/or physical work, but there are so many countervailing forces: large-scale immigration of untrained laborers pushing down pay scales, for example, which dovetails all-too-neatly with the welfare-state disincentive to work in the first place.

    And moreover, a popular, media-saturated notion that even the 3/10ths would be neurosurgeons and nuclear physicists if only the Man weren’t keeping them down.

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    "The question of the ‘unemployable 3/10ths’ got me to thinking. Many could indeed be trained for relatively menial and/or physical work, but there are so many countervailing forces:"

    Apropos of your remark, Publix, a well-run regional chain of grocery stores in Florida (where I live) and beyond, has long had a policy of employing mentally disabled younger people as baggers at the check out counters, freeing cashiers from doing that mundane job and speeding up the checkout process. Not as glamorous as competing at the Special Olympics, but it usefully incorporates disabled workers into society where they can perform useful work suitable to their limited abilities and get recompensed for their labor, just like everybody else. I always thought that was an admirable policy by a publicly-spirited business organization, perhaps motivated by a shortage of people unwilling to do that particular job and finding an alternative source of labor. I have been living in Florida for more than 20 years, but I have noticed in recent years that those jobs have tended to be filled less by mentally disabled persons and more by ordinary, mentally normal teenagers. I take that as a reflection of the economic woes since the bursting of the housing bubble, as more families are under financial pressure to generate additional income to meet expenses. I guess that an employer faced with the choice of hiring for the same job a mentally disabled worker or a mentally normal worker would have to choose the latter, no matter what his social intentions inclined him to do, but this illustrates how market pressures can force employers to accommodate and adjust to what is available. The fact that so many women became riveters in our factories during WWII when 10 million American men were serving in our armed forces also illustrates how American business can adjust and accommodate itself to what's available.
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  93. @tbraton
    "You can’t ignore those few hundred years during which Christianity went from zero to a significant presence in the Roman empire."

    I happen to recall reading long ago that Christians composed no more than 10 percent of the population of the Roman Empire before Constantine. Wikipedia agrees with my memory: "While many people tend to exaggerate the growth of Christianity before the 4th century, ninety percent of the empire was not Christian, and there is no evidence that Christianity could have continued to grow. It was the support of the emperor Constantine that transformed Christianity into a driving force in the Roman Empire. “Most authorities agree that by 300 A.D., between seven and ten percent of the population of the Roman Empire were Christian.” (Freeman, 215)" https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Roman_Culture/Constantine_and_early_Christianity Between 7 and 10 percent of the population cannot be characterized as a significant presence.

    It was not so much the actions of Constantine which cemented the hold of Christianity, since he merely declared toleration of Christians and stopped persecution of Christians. It was the later move by Emperor Theodosius which made Christianity the official religion of the Empire that sealed the deal. Once official, Christians turned around and started persecuting other religions. Theodosius was also the Emperor who banned the Olympic Games as a "pagan cult" in 393 A.D. Between Constantine and Theodosius came the remarkable Justine (after whom I named a favorite cat, or was that after the character "Justine" in Lawrence Durrell's "Alexandria Quarter"?) tried unsuccessfuly to turn the clock back and restore the ancient pagan cults before meeting an untimely death.

    Theodosius not only banned the games, his persecution of homosexual activity was invoked by Byron White in Bowers v Hardwick as proof that official (hence justified) distaste for homo activities went as far back as the Romans. Of course, lots of Romans (esp before then) would have differed.

    Whatever its other merits, White’s majority opinion started me on the road toward a critical reading of SC jurisprudence. Cherry-picking legal and historical precedent by USSC clerks, who knew?!

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  94. @Boomstick
    Off topic: doping widespread in athletics. The test results seem to be focused on blood manipulation to increase red blood cell count.

    http://news.yahoo.com/wada-very-alarmed-doping-scandal-athletics-060755662--spt.html


    German television channel ARD and Britain's Sunday Times newspaper said they had been leaked a database belonging to athletics governing body the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) with details of 12,000 blood tests from 5,000 competitors which revealed "extraordinary" levels of doping.
    ...
    At least a third of the medal-winners at world championships and Olympics between 2001 and 2012 had given suspicious tests.
    ...
    More than 80 percent of Russia's medals were won by athletes with suspicious tests, while Kenya had 18 medals won by suspicious athletes.

    -- The tests showed an increasing use of blood transfusions and hard to detect EPO micro-doses to boost red cell count and performances.
     

    Broom, if you get netflix, there’s a fine movie called “Pantini, the accidental death of a cyclist” about Marco Pantini and EPO, his disqualification and eventual death by overdose. It comes out that team members have no choice but to submit to the ministrations of the team doctor and must endure whatever he sees fit to inject into their bodies. The money quote was by his mom who said words to this effect “I sent my son away to race bicycles thinking that he would be healthy and safe, involved in the good atmosphere of sports, but they killed him”.

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    Patani's proximate cause of death was due to a cocaine overdose, but you're right that the interests of the riders and the team doctors that answer to the management do not align. The average team manager doesn't place the long term health of the riders very high on the priority list, at least compared to wins. There's also a strong element of locker room pharmacology and bro science.

    (NSFW)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD_44xEEDjU

    Cortisone use became widespread in cycling in the 70's and 80's. One of the side effects can be tendon damage, and there seemed to be a number of high level cyclists with near-career ending knee injuries during that era. (And who knows how many second tier riders who simply disappeared from the roster.) The early days of EPO use were linked to several deaths, quite probably from thickened blood resulting in circulatory problems. The deaths can also be used to establish the date at which EPO use started. The Lemonds report:

    "In 1990, a call woke the couple in the middle of the night. The wife of Dutch cyclist Johannes Draaijer was sobbing. She had found him dead next to her in bed. An ambulance was on its way, but she knew it would be too late.

    "He is cold,'' she kept saying to Kathy.

    The LeMonds knew that Draaijer had been under pressure to use the latest pharmacology. His widow eventually told a magazine that he had used EPO and that she believed its blood-thickening properties caused his heart to stop."

    EPO was synthesized and introduced to the commercial market in 1989. Within months it was being used for doping, with the vector probably being an Italian sports medicine institute.
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  95. @J1234

    It isn’t that white America cannot honor its debt to blacks because the sins are too profound, it’s that black America can’t honor its end of the bargain–to become peaceful and productive....
     
    Black criminal and social violence in America has worked to the benefit of black America, in a strange and perverse way. Remember that book by Carl Rowan called The Coming Race War? His prescription was pretty simple - do whatever leftist black activists or black studies professors tell you to do, white America, and the hip hop murderers and rioters won't be coming down your street. With regards to racial matters, the main motivation for most white liberals is the fear of blacks on a personal level.

    Ahh yes, Carl Rowan. The race huckster and gun-control fanatic who used an unlicensed pistol to shoot an unarmed white kid who was trespassing in his swimming pool. Needless to say, Rowan didn’t go to jail for that.

    Wiki: In a 1981 column, he advocated “a law that says anyone found in possession of a handgun except a legitimate officer of the law goes to jail—period.”

    One rule for you, one rule for us.

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    @tbraton
    "You can’t ignore those few hundred years during which Christianity went from zero to a significant presence in the Roman empire."

    I happen to recall reading long ago that Christians composed no more than 10 percent of the population of the Roman Empire before Constantine. Wikipedia agrees with my memory: "While many people tend to exaggerate the growth of Christianity before the 4th century, ninety percent of the empire was not Christian, and there is no evidence that Christianity could have continued to grow. It was the support of the emperor Constantine that transformed Christianity into a driving force in the Roman Empire. “Most authorities agree that by 300 A.D., between seven and ten percent of the population of the Roman Empire were Christian.” (Freeman, 215)" https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Roman_Culture/Constantine_and_early_Christianity Between 7 and 10 percent of the population cannot be characterized as a significant presence.

    It was not so much the actions of Constantine which cemented the hold of Christianity, since he merely declared toleration of Christians and stopped persecution of Christians. It was the later move by Emperor Theodosius which made Christianity the official religion of the Empire that sealed the deal. Once official, Christians turned around and started persecuting other religions. Theodosius was also the Emperor who banned the Olympic Games as a "pagan cult" in 393 A.D. Between Constantine and Theodosius came the remarkable Justine (after whom I named a favorite cat, or was that after the character "Justine" in Lawrence Durrell's "Alexandria Quarter"?) tried unsuccessfuly to turn the clock back and restore the ancient pagan cults before meeting an untimely death.

    re: growth of Christianity before Constantine

    “Most authorities agree that by 300 A.D., between seven and ten percent of the population of the Roman Empire were Christian.” (Freeman, 215)” https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Roman_Culture/Constantine_and_early_Christianity Between 7 and 10 percent of the population cannot be characterized as a significant presence.

    It certainly got the Emperor’s attention. But be that as it may, between 7 and 10 percent of 50 million (the estimated population of the Roman empire, as I recall from my reading) comes to between three-and-a-half and five million people. From, let us say 12 disciples to 3,600,000 in 300 years equals an annual rate of growth of what? Not sure off the top of my head but I bet that if Christianity had continued to grow at that rate it would have been more than enough to reach saturation quite quickly. It might be easier to argue that Constantine’s intervention, and all the other state interventions after that, had a retrograde effect on Christianity’s rate of growth. Not sure though. Would be interesting.

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    Since you are asking, it's 4.29%. That is, if you invested $12 in Year 1 and it was compounded at 4.29% (fairly modest return, but nowadays kind of optimistic) every year for 300 years you would have $3.6 Million.

    (3,600,000 / 12) = 300,000, then 300,000 ^(1/300) = 1.042935.

    By the way if you extend that beyond 300 years you get 231 Mill at 400 years and 15.5 Billion at 500 years.

    What are you guys trying to say?
    , @tbraton
    "It certainly got the Emperor’s attention. But be that as it may, between 7 and 10 percent of 50 million (the estimated population of the Roman empire, as I recall from my reading) comes to between three-and-a-half and five million people. From, let us say 12 disciples to 3,600,000 in 300 years equals an annual rate of growth of what? Not sure off the top of my head but I bet that if Christianity had continued to grow at that rate it would have been more than enough to reach saturation quite quickly. It might be easier to argue that Constantine’s intervention, and all the other state interventions after that, had a retrograde effect on Christianity’s rate of growth."

    Well, using your logic, the housing bubble never would have burst, and the price of my place might now be worth $1 billion. If you know anybody who wants to offer me that price, I would readily accept his offer. Getting more serious, let me point out that, before 1619, the number of Africans living in America was close to zero, and, now, roughly 400 years later, African-Americans number close to 40 million and comprise about 12% of our population. Projecting forward, I predict that the entire country will be black in another 100 years.

    If you had projected the course of the Persian Empire prior to Marathon and Salamis, you would have no idea that the Empire would meet its demise at the hands of a Greek conqueror about 150 years later. Had that not happened, we might all be Zoroastrians today, still believing in one god but a somewhat different god.

    BTW that's why I pointed out that it was not Constantine's decision to tolerate Christianity that sealed the deal but the later decision of Theodosius to make Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire that did seal the deal. Many Roman citizens converted to Christianity not because they were attracted by its religious principles but for expedient political reasons. There have always been a large number of nominal Christians who didn't buy into the religion. Nobody can read the great Edward Gibbon without realizing that he was a religious skeptic at the very least, but he had to be careful in expressing his ideas because, as I recall, as late as 1750 AD questioning religion was punishable by death in Britain. Ben Franklin as a young man was practically an avowed atheist, but he had the sense to temper his religious views because he knew that his true beliefs were not compatible with a successful political career in Colonial Pennsylvania or Colonial America.

    I would also point out that by 610 AD, Christianity was the dominant religion of North Africa and the Middle East and no one had heard of Islam. A little more than a 100 years later, those areas had been conquered by the forces of Islam, Christianity had been largely eliminated from those areas, and Islamic armies were fighting in what is now modern day France, only to be repelled by the grandfather of Charlemagne at Tours. Charlemagne, btw, went on to carve out a vast empire across Europe. So there is an unpredictability about how history will turn out.

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  97. @SFG
    Yup.

    This is also one of the reasons the far left doesn't like Israel--they're whiter than the Palestinians, and get judged by the 'white' yardstick when it comes to repression (you don't see the Left forming huge groups to go after, say, East Timor.)

    Of course, the Israelis have the neocons and Jewish center-left going to bat for them.

    But Russia gets screwed twice--they're white, and anti-gay. We hear a lot about Russia making propounding gay rights illegal, but little about African countries making actually being gay illegal, as in killing people found having gay sex.

    That settles it. I’m moving to Russia.

    I already have a dash cam.

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  98. @bomag
    they are 0% of Democratic senators and 0% of Democratic governors.

    But they might as well be Black, just looking at the voting record. What difference is there between Al Franken's votes and a Black equivalent? In a way this is the best outcome: getting your way, but not having a front man to take the heat and damage the brand. Better to agitate from the sidelines and get your way than have one of your own embarrassing the People by getting caught with bribe money in the freezer.

    Interestingly enough, the same reason we won’t have a Jewish president anytime soon.

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  99. @Jonathan Silber
    Blacks are just flat-out charismatic, extroverted, aggressive, and creative.

    And yet most white women want nothing to do with black men:

    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/

    Also, the creativity of blacks continues to be confined to sports and entertainment: in fields demanding major-league intellect, blacks are big flops. To the great enterprise of Western Civilization, in the domains of knowledge or theory or technology or institutions, what major contributions has any black made?

    The great benefactors of humanity are, to this day, white men.

    I’ve seen several other sources corroborating the distaste most white women have for black men, as mating partners at least. So it’s not a little curious that most white women on television (esp blondes) seem to choose black men…

    It’s almost as though someone were pursuing an agenda….

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    "I’ve seen several other sources corroborating the distaste most white women have for black men, as mating partners at least. So it’s not a little curious that most white women on television (esp blondes) seem to choose black men…

    It’s almost as though someone were pursuing an agenda…."

    Statistically, when White women marry outside their race they are more likely to marry men from "Some Other Race" than they are to marry Black men.
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  100. Svigor says:
    @Dennis Dale
    He must've run into this guy:
    https://youtu.be/rNAWjLWkdDk

    Now I’m trying to remember if those two linebacker robots in Ice Pirates were supposed to be black. I know we’ve had a Jewish droid, Joan Rivers in Spaceballs, but I can’t remember any black robots, outside of the one in Futurama. Dass Raciss. Oh, wait, there are some in the Transformers, LOL.

    So he loses his $100,000 per year sinecure to try and illegally make a few thousand dollars on the side.

    I’ve said it many times before, but I’m not convinced black impulsiveness is all down to IQ. I think it varies independently from IQ (though probably still correlated). I think even after you correct for IQ, blacks are still a lot more impulsive.

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    So he loses his $100,000 per year sinecure to try and illegally make a few thousand dollars on the side.

    When you have a criminal mentality, you don't get any satisfaction from money you legitimately earn. That's a sucker's game. You have to be hustling, beating the system, getting one over on The Man to get any satisfaction from it. This mindset sometimes leads to criminals working harder outside the system for less money than they could have made inside it.

    (Note: I'm not suggesting this politician was legitimately earning his salary, only that he would see it that way.)

    , @Reg Cæsar

    I know we’ve had a Jewish droid, Joan Rivers in Spaceballs
     
    Here are two more.
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  101. @Wilkey
    He missed Cory Booker, to be sure, but Tim Scott is a Republican, and therefore doesn't count. To have only one senator in 46 be black, in a party that gets 25% of its votes from blacks, still says a lot about how extremist black politicians are.

    I can’t believe this conversation has legs. Senators are elected at-large, state by state. Do the three of you really not know this??

    The Congressional Black Caucus has 43 members, give or take a couple non-voting from DC and USVI. Chiefly because the House is elected from districts, and among other things, districts can be gerrymandered.

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  102. @Felix

    For example, it’s pretty embarrassing to have Ta-Nehisi Coates be thought of as your most foremost public intellectual, but then again black failure is a proven moneymaker.
     
    On the very contrary, I would give up my rhetorical left-nut to have a Nehisi Coates analog thought of as white people's foremost public intellectual. As it is, "white people" don't exist as a construct outside of "white booty to be plundered" and as a non-entity, they don't have any public intellectuals, foremost or otherwise. As a result, we are taxed, killed, raped, and insulted with massive glee by all and sundry. Now that's pretty embarrassing.

    I'm glad though that at least some of us derive joy from ill-placed intellectual snobbery. Weak leavings but better than nothing I suppose.

    We need a way to vote up more than one post per day…

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  103. Pete says:
    @SFG
    Yup.

    This is also one of the reasons the far left doesn't like Israel--they're whiter than the Palestinians, and get judged by the 'white' yardstick when it comes to repression (you don't see the Left forming huge groups to go after, say, East Timor.)

    Of course, the Israelis have the neocons and Jewish center-left going to bat for them.

    But Russia gets screwed twice--they're white, and anti-gay. We hear a lot about Russia making propounding gay rights illegal, but little about African countries making actually being gay illegal, as in killing people found having gay sex.

    I have thought the same thing about Israel, and so far your comment is the only other opinion I’ve seen that reflects mine. The left’s hate for Israel isn’t about its perceived oppression of the Arabs: it’s really a byproduct of the doctrine that in 2015, European peoples are not allowed to protect their people, culture, and borders from destructive third-world savages, because they must atone for the offenses of their ancestors against people of color by importing them en masse and encouraging them to destroy their countries while the whites huddle in impotent self-loathing. It enrages the lefties no end that Israelis are virtually alone among whites in the world in being unashamedly proud of their heritage and culture, and refuse to surrender them to third-world thugs who have little to offer in return except crime and welfare dependency. Why can’t those uppity Israelis be morally superior and enlightened like the Brits and Swedes who kneel in guilt-induced obeisance to the barbarians?

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    ...Why can’t those uppity Israelis be morally superior and enlightened like the Brits and Swedes who kneel in guilt-induced obeisance to the barbarians?


    Well said!
    , @Jonathan Silber
    ...Why can’t those uppity Israelis be morally superior and enlightened like the Brits and Swedes who kneel in guilt-induced obeisance to the barbarians?


    Well said! Likewise your other posts on this thread.
    , @IBC

    The left’s hate for Israel isn’t about its perceived oppression of the Arabs: it’s really a byproduct of the doctrine that in 2015, European peoples are not allowed to protect their people, culture, and borders from destructive third-world savages, ...
     
    If you don't like "third-world savages," why move to the Third World?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/29/netanyahu-approves-west-bank-settlement-construction-demolition

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/08/price-tag-attacks-and-the-definition-of-terrorism/400202/

    It's 2015, not 1939. There are no excuses.
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  104. Pete says:
    @Diddlerontheroof
    Yes, I believe you just hit on something powerful there. White people need their own "victim narrative" if you will to reclaim moral superiority-nay, moral equality at least.

    I only fear the rivers of blood this would require.

    White people have never been good at self-pity historically. The ability to reject failure and keep trying is one of our greatest virtues, and just as integral to our success as our intelligence. It probably goes against our genetic code to live as self-pitying failures on the charity of others, just as it doesn’t seem part of blacks’ genetic code to be cheerful, hard-working self-starters who would be ashamed of being a burden upon others.

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    Or perhaps, Europeans' Christian heritage, placing the figure of the victim and scapegoat on Christ in place of humanity, removed the scapegoating/self-victimizing mechanism from ourselves. American black Christians never truly adopted a scapegoat Christ qua Christ. I don't know Black theology, but I think it's quite different than most traditional forms of Christianity and certainly different than the chief custodians of Christ as Victim due to his redeeming sacrifice in the Eucharist, the Catholics.
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  105. Pete says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "Blacks are about 13% of the population and about 25% of Democratic voters, yet they are 0% of Democratic senators and 0% of Democratic governors. And if they have any dominance, it sure is hard to tell by the last 25 years: cuts to AFDC, open boarders for competing low-skill workers, gentrification of the choicest black neighborhoods, high rates of imprisonment, and a gradual decline in per capita civilian public employment, a very important source of jobs."

    Those complaints presuppose that blacks are particularly concerned about their labor-force participation and are motivated by a desire to avoid incarceration.

    I have not noticed that to be the case. I have not heard a great outcry from blacks about illegal aliens. It hasn't seemed to affect their voting habits. And a lot of black men seem to have no particular problem with being shuffled off to prison for years on end; for them they seem to view being a prisoner as their "job".

    The more jobs they largely didn’t want anyway are taken from blacks by latino immigrants, the more YT will be taxed to maintain blacks at their present standard of living

    I read somewhere that the average black welfare mother now receives benefits that correspond to a $38,000 income in the private sector. They’re not about to let go of that, not voluntarily.

    They’re not worried about the illegals because they don’t see things in terms of cause and effect as we do. They believe that money will continue magically falling from the skies for them regardless of how many latinos enter the US. In the short term they’re probably right, and the short term is all they concern themselves with.

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  106. Pete says:
    @Lot
    Dale is wrong on several of his points.


    the perception that black Americans have suffered uniquely among peoples has them dominating politics and culture
     
    Politics: there is absolutely no "black dominance." Aside from Hawaii/Indonesia raised, half white Obama, blacks have been pretty unsuccessful in politics outside of special majority-black districts.

    Blacks are about 13% of the population and about 25% of Democratic voters, yet they are 0% of Democratic senators and 0% of Democratic governors. And if they have any dominance, it sure is hard to tell by the last 25 years: cuts to AFDC, open boarders for competing low-skill workers, gentrification of the choicest black neighborhoods, high rates of imprisonment, and a gradual decline in per capita civilian public employment, a very important source of jobs.

    There is certainly black dominance, or at least over-representation, in some aspects of low-brow popular culture. But that has little to nothing to do with "the perception that black Americans have suffered uniquely among peoples." Blacks are simply better at low-brow culture: sports, stand-up comedy, rapping, and dancing, than other groups.

    Where blacks benefit from liberal guilt/affirmative action isn't low culture, where they do fine on their own, but high culture. As Derb says, so much of black intellectual output is solipsistic black black blackety black, a never-ending "conversation about race." Coates is typical of this.

    The principal artistic output of black American intellectuals (Obama, Coates et al.) seems to be writing about themselves, just as rap music largely consists of blacks talking to themselves set to a beat.

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  107. SPMoore8 says:
    @Luke Lea
    re: growth of Christianity before Constantine

    “Most authorities agree that by 300 A.D., between seven and ten percent of the population of the Roman Empire were Christian.” (Freeman, 215)” https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Roman_Culture/Constantine_and_early_Christianity Between 7 and 10 percent of the population cannot be characterized as a significant presence.

    It certainly got the Emperor's attention. But be that as it may, between 7 and 10 percent of 50 million (the estimated population of the Roman empire, as I recall from my reading) comes to between three-and-a-half and five million people. From, let us say 12 disciples to 3,600,000 in 300 years equals an annual rate of growth of what? Not sure off the top of my head but I bet that if Christianity had continued to grow at that rate it would have been more than enough to reach saturation quite quickly. It might be easier to argue that Constantine's intervention, and all the other state interventions after that, had a retrograde effect on Christianity's rate of growth. Not sure though. Would be interesting.

    Since you are asking, it’s 4.29%. That is, if you invested $12 in Year 1 and it was compounded at 4.29% (fairly modest return, but nowadays kind of optimistic) every year for 300 years you would have $3.6 Million.

    (3,600,000 / 12) = 300,000, then 300,000 ^(1/300) = 1.042935.

    By the way if you extend that beyond 300 years you get 231 Mill at 400 years and 15.5 Billion at 500 years.

    What are you guys trying to say?

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  108. @J1234

    Failure is powerful stuff.
     
    I heard a liberal musician claim, during a concert, that defeated or oppressed cultures created more interesting music than dominant cultures. Not exactly true, however. Although jazz had a lot of influence in the early 20th century, I can't think of any music more boring or mundane or simplistic than traditional American Indian music.

    It would hold true for white southern Appalachian music, though. And Celtic music.

    I heard a liberal musician claim, during a concert, that defeated or oppressed cultures created more interesting music than dominant cultures.

    Another, if unintentional, take on “The spicier the food, the worse the government” aphorism.

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  109. @carol
    I dunno, Bach, Beethoven and Rachmaninoff made pretty interesting music in their day. Though they did make use of local native music and dances.

    You could say Chopin and Paderewski were oppressed Poles.

    I dunno, Bach, Beethoven and Rachmaninoff made pretty interesting music in their day. Though they did make use of local native music and dances.

    You could say Chopin and Paderewski were oppressed Poles.

    And then there were the Italians…

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  110. Ben H says:

    “For example, it’s pretty embarrassing to have Ta-Nehisi Coates be thought of as your most foremost public intellectual…”

    One of the problems for black intellectuals is that they are all creatures of white institutions like the Ivy League. They don’t have any of their own institutions to run or be a part of. Since they make their living living off the largess of white institutions, its not that much of a stretch to see how they can not do other than advise other blacks to live off whites. Do as I am doing, in other words. Independent black institutions might create the ability for black intellectuals to have the confidence to advise other blacks to be independent, themselves.

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    One of the problems for black intellectuals is that they are all creatures of white institutions like the Ivy League. They don’t have any of their own institutions to run or be a part of.
     
    Unlike Catholics and women.
    , @Ed
    Coates is a Howard Univ, a historically black university, dropout.

    Charles Blow graduated from Grambling State another HBCU

    Jelani Cobb of the New Yorker, went to Howard as well. He's actually more formidable than Coates but of the same mindset as him.
    , @Jonathan Silber
    One of the problems for black intellectuals is that they are all creatures of white institutions like the Ivy League. They don’t have any of their own institutions to run or be a part of.

    The "Historically Black Colleges" are institutions that have been run by blacks, are they not? Among them Howard is the best known and highest regarded. At those colleges black scholars have long been able to show what they're capable of when out from under the boot of racist whites. The results speak for themselves.

    Nowadays, most of those from the Top Tenth, such as they are, who make a career in academia accept of their own free will positions at historically white institutions, where they labor oppressed under the yoke of their white devil colleagues.
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  111. Ben H says:

    “For example, it’s pretty embarrassing to have Ta-Nehisi Coates be thought of as your most foremost public intellectual…”

    Do black people ever read that guy or know he exists? I’b be surprised if he had a large black following. His fans seem to be the easily impressed white liberals who get off on hating their own grandpa.

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  112. Warner says:
    @Pete
    White people have never been good at self-pity historically. The ability to reject failure and keep trying is one of our greatest virtues, and just as integral to our success as our intelligence. It probably goes against our genetic code to live as self-pitying failures on the charity of others, just as it doesn't seem part of blacks' genetic code to be cheerful, hard-working self-starters who would be ashamed of being a burden upon others.

    Or perhaps, Europeans’ Christian heritage, placing the figure of the victim and scapegoat on Christ in place of humanity, removed the scapegoating/self-victimizing mechanism from ourselves. American black Christians never truly adopted a scapegoat Christ qua Christ. I don’t know Black theology, but I think it’s quite different than most traditional forms of Christianity and certainly different than the chief custodians of Christ as Victim due to his redeeming sacrifice in the Eucharist, the Catholics.

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    American black Christians never truly adopted a scapegoat Christ qua Christ.
     
    Mainstream black Christians tend to hold the same beliefs as white Christians. They're not all Al Sharptons and Marcus Garveys.
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  113. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Svigor
    http://i.imgur.com/Wk2Zx5g.jpg

    I laughed so hard I almost puked.
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  114. @Ben H
    "For example, it’s pretty embarrassing to have Ta-Nehisi Coates be thought of as your most foremost public intellectual..."

    One of the problems for black intellectuals is that they are all creatures of white institutions like the Ivy League. They don't have any of their own institutions to run or be a part of. Since they make their living living off the largess of white institutions, its not that much of a stretch to see how they can not do other than advise other blacks to live off whites. Do as I am doing, in other words. Independent black institutions might create the ability for black intellectuals to have the confidence to advise other blacks to be independent, themselves.

    One of the problems for black intellectuals is that they are all creatures of white institutions like the Ivy League. They don’t have any of their own institutions to run or be a part of.

    Unlike Catholics and women.

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  115. @tbraton
    "You can’t ignore those few hundred years during which Christianity went from zero to a significant presence in the Roman empire."

    I happen to recall reading long ago that Christians composed no more than 10 percent of the population of the Roman Empire before Constantine. Wikipedia agrees with my memory: "While many people tend to exaggerate the growth of Christianity before the 4th century, ninety percent of the empire was not Christian, and there is no evidence that Christianity could have continued to grow. It was the support of the emperor Constantine that transformed Christianity into a driving force in the Roman Empire. “Most authorities agree that by 300 A.D., between seven and ten percent of the population of the Roman Empire were Christian.” (Freeman, 215)" https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Roman_Culture/Constantine_and_early_Christianity Between 7 and 10 percent of the population cannot be characterized as a significant presence.

    It was not so much the actions of Constantine which cemented the hold of Christianity, since he merely declared toleration of Christians and stopped persecution of Christians. It was the later move by Emperor Theodosius which made Christianity the official religion of the Empire that sealed the deal. Once official, Christians turned around and started persecuting other religions. Theodosius was also the Emperor who banned the Olympic Games as a "pagan cult" in 393 A.D. Between Constantine and Theodosius came the remarkable Justine (after whom I named a favorite cat, or was that after the character "Justine" in Lawrence Durrell's "Alexandria Quarter"?) tried unsuccessfuly to turn the clock back and restore the ancient pagan cults before meeting an untimely death.

    Christians tended to live in cities, so the Christian share of the urban population (the empire was 80% rural) would have been much higher than 7-10%.

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    "Christians tended to live in cities, so the Christian share of the urban population (the empire was 80% rural) would have been much higher than 7-10%."

    Probably much more important than that was the fact that Christians tended to be more represented in the Roman army. It has been speculated that's what led to Julian's (I hope I got the name right this time) early demise. His attempt to turn the clock back and restore the ancient pagan cults was not especially popular with the Christians in his army.
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  116. Beach says:
    @Threecranes
    Blacks and jews have this in common. For jews, to be without their sense of persecution is equivalent to having one of those dreams in which one imagines themselves as appearing in public without their pants on. Stripped of their sense of being uniquely persecuted, both jews and blacks feel naked. They have no defense and having no defense, they have no offensive weapon with which to manipulate the society they live in. Finding this situation intolerable they lash out blindly at any white who persecutes them by denying them the right to feel persecuted.

    Both imagine themselves to be superior beings in the white world in which they find themselves and deeply resent any suggestion that they must engage in manual labor or gritty productive work which produces a tangible product. Seemingly every black I have known has claimed to be the descendent of some imagined African "royalty". I've never met a jewish man who wasn't ruled by his mother's injunction to avoid, of all things, working with his hands.

    They are drawn together by their common interest in avoiding labor and in their effort to enslave the white race. Every jewish-conceived and supported social program enacted in the last fifty years which redistributes wealth from the white middle class to poor blacks attests to the truth of these claims.

    I’ve never met a jewish man who wasn’t ruled by his mother’s injunction to avoid, of all things, working with his hands.

    You have now.

    http://www.newyankee.com/

    I suppose someone should tell Norm that he’s disappointing his mother.

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  117. shk12344 says:
    @Glossy
    I think I've read that when Constantine adopted Christianity about 10% of the Empire was Christian. The Empire created a single cultural space in an enormous area. Any robust ideology adopted by it could have been easily transmitted across that cultural space. Mithraism, Zoroastrianism or the ancient Egyptian religion could have also easily played that role. And later history would have turned out the same anyway.

    The English Puritans would have interpreted Seth and Horus in their typically English puritanical ways through sheer force of HBD. Luther would have led an austere Germanic revolt against Mediterranean excesses and corruption in the practice of Horus worship. Few things would be different now.

    Any robust ideology adopted by it could have been easily transmitted across that cultural space. Mithraism, Zoroastrianism or the ancient Egyptian religion could have also easily played that role. And later history would have turned out the same anyway.

    That’s just silly. History like life doesn’t work in a predictable manner.

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  118. @carol
    I dunno, Bach, Beethoven and Rachmaninoff made pretty interesting music in their day. Though they did make use of local native music and dances.

    You could say Chopin and Paderewski were oppressed Poles.

    I dunno, Bach, Beethoven and Rachmaninoff made pretty interesting music in their day.

    If you really wanted to push this thesis, Beethoven (plus Mozart, Schubert et al.) all lived at a time when ethnic Germans felt like second class citizens due to the inability of ethnic Germans to form a nation state, maybe you can Bach to that thesis too, and Rachmaninoff isn’t all that great. Probably still a stretch though.

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  119. tbraton says:
    @Kyle McKenna
    In essence, a work ethic. Aside from typical honesty and integrity issues, as you note, which have sidelined many a negro political career. Disproportionately, before anyone pounces.

    The question of the 'unemployable 3/10ths' got me to thinking. Many could indeed be trained for relatively menial and/or physical work, but there are so many countervailing forces: large-scale immigration of untrained laborers pushing down pay scales, for example, which dovetails all-too-neatly with the welfare-state disincentive to work in the first place.

    And moreover, a popular, media-saturated notion that even the 3/10ths would be neurosurgeons and nuclear physicists if only the Man weren't keeping them down.

    “The question of the ‘unemployable 3/10ths’ got me to thinking. Many could indeed be trained for relatively menial and/or physical work, but there are so many countervailing forces:”

    Apropos of your remark, Publix, a well-run regional chain of grocery stores in Florida (where I live) and beyond, has long had a policy of employing mentally disabled younger people as baggers at the check out counters, freeing cashiers from doing that mundane job and speeding up the checkout process. Not as glamorous as competing at the Special Olympics, but it usefully incorporates disabled workers into society where they can perform useful work suitable to their limited abilities and get recompensed for their labor, just like everybody else. I always thought that was an admirable policy by a publicly-spirited business organization, perhaps motivated by a shortage of people unwilling to do that particular job and finding an alternative source of labor. I have been living in Florida for more than 20 years, but I have noticed in recent years that those jobs have tended to be filled less by mentally disabled persons and more by ordinary, mentally normal teenagers. I take that as a reflection of the economic woes since the bursting of the housing bubble, as more families are under financial pressure to generate additional income to meet expenses. I guess that an employer faced with the choice of hiring for the same job a mentally disabled worker or a mentally normal worker would have to choose the latter, no matter what his social intentions inclined him to do, but this illustrates how market pressures can force employers to accommodate and adjust to what is available. The fact that so many women became riveters in our factories during WWII when 10 million American men were serving in our armed forces also illustrates how American business can adjust and accommodate itself to what’s available.

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  120. Boomstick says:
    @Threecranes
    Broom, if you get netflix, there's a fine movie called "Pantini, the accidental death of a cyclist" about Marco Pantini and EPO, his disqualification and eventual death by overdose. It comes out that team members have no choice but to submit to the ministrations of the team doctor and must endure whatever he sees fit to inject into their bodies. The money quote was by his mom who said words to this effect "I sent my son away to race bicycles thinking that he would be healthy and safe, involved in the good atmosphere of sports, but they killed him".

    Patani’s proximate cause of death was due to a cocaine overdose, but you’re right that the interests of the riders and the team doctors that answer to the management do not align. The average team manager doesn’t place the long term health of the riders very high on the priority list, at least compared to wins. There’s also a strong element of locker room pharmacology and bro science.

    (NSFW)

    Cortisone use became widespread in cycling in the 70′s and 80′s. One of the side effects can be tendon damage, and there seemed to be a number of high level cyclists with near-career ending knee injuries during that era. (And who knows how many second tier riders who simply disappeared from the roster.) The early days of EPO use were linked to several deaths, quite probably from thickened blood resulting in circulatory problems. The deaths can also be used to establish the date at which EPO use started. The Lemonds report:

    “In 1990, a call woke the couple in the middle of the night. The wife of Dutch cyclist Johannes Draaijer was sobbing. She had found him dead next to her in bed. An ambulance was on its way, but she knew it would be too late.

    “He is cold,” she kept saying to Kathy.

    The LeMonds knew that Draaijer had been under pressure to use the latest pharmacology. His widow eventually told a magazine that he had used EPO and that she believed its blood-thickening properties caused his heart to stop.”

    EPO was synthesized and introduced to the commercial market in 1989. Within months it was being used for doping, with the vector probably being an Italian sports medicine institute.

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  121. tbraton says:
    @Luke Lea
    re: growth of Christianity before Constantine

    “Most authorities agree that by 300 A.D., between seven and ten percent of the population of the Roman Empire were Christian.” (Freeman, 215)” https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Roman_Culture/Constantine_and_early_Christianity Between 7 and 10 percent of the population cannot be characterized as a significant presence.

    It certainly got the Emperor's attention. But be that as it may, between 7 and 10 percent of 50 million (the estimated population of the Roman empire, as I recall from my reading) comes to between three-and-a-half and five million people. From, let us say 12 disciples to 3,600,000 in 300 years equals an annual rate of growth of what? Not sure off the top of my head but I bet that if Christianity had continued to grow at that rate it would have been more than enough to reach saturation quite quickly. It might be easier to argue that Constantine's intervention, and all the other state interventions after that, had a retrograde effect on Christianity's rate of growth. Not sure though. Would be interesting.

    “It certainly got the Emperor’s attention. But be that as it may, between 7 and 10 percent of 50 million (the estimated population of the Roman empire, as I recall from my reading) comes to between three-and-a-half and five million people. From, let us say 12 disciples to 3,600,000 in 300 years equals an annual rate of growth of what? Not sure off the top of my head but I bet that if Christianity had continued to grow at that rate it would have been more than enough to reach saturation quite quickly. It might be easier to argue that Constantine’s intervention, and all the other state interventions after that, had a retrograde effect on Christianity’s rate of growth.”

    Well, using your logic, the housing bubble never would have burst, and the price of my place might now be worth $1 billion. If you know anybody who wants to offer me that price, I would readily accept his offer. Getting more serious, let me point out that, before 1619, the number of Africans living in America was close to zero, and, now, roughly 400 years later, African-Americans number close to 40 million and comprise about 12% of our population. Projecting forward, I predict that the entire country will be black in another 100 years.

    If you had projected the course of the Persian Empire prior to Marathon and Salamis, you would have no idea that the Empire would meet its demise at the hands of a Greek conqueror about 150 years later. Had that not happened, we might all be Zoroastrians today, still believing in one god but a somewhat different god.

    BTW that’s why I pointed out that it was not Constantine’s decision to tolerate Christianity that sealed the deal but the later decision of Theodosius to make Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire that did seal the deal. Many Roman citizens converted to Christianity not because they were attracted by its religious principles but for expedient political reasons. There have always been a large number of nominal Christians who didn’t buy into the religion. Nobody can read the great Edward Gibbon without realizing that he was a religious skeptic at the very least, but he had to be careful in expressing his ideas because, as I recall, as late as 1750 AD questioning religion was punishable by death in Britain. Ben Franklin as a young man was practically an avowed atheist, but he had the sense to temper his religious views because he knew that his true beliefs were not compatible with a successful political career in Colonial Pennsylvania or Colonial America.

    I would also point out that by 610 AD, Christianity was the dominant religion of North Africa and the Middle East and no one had heard of Islam. A little more than a 100 years later, those areas had been conquered by the forces of Islam, Christianity had been largely eliminated from those areas, and Islamic armies were fighting in what is now modern day France, only to be repelled by the grandfather of Charlemagne at Tours. Charlemagne, btw, went on to carve out a vast empire across Europe. So there is an unpredictability about how history will turn out.

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    tbraton, Perhaps you are right. Contingencies are a major factor in history, and counterfactuals are just that: counter factual. Anyway it doesn't matter to my point, which is that the Catholic Church, however it got established, and for all of its human-all-too-human failings, still managed to transmit the Old and New Testaments to early modern times. That was key for the Protestant Reformation and everything it entailed.
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  123. Alek says:

    Excuses for black disfunction in the US are similar to excuses for Muslim failure in Europe. From a recent critique by Theodore Dalrymple of a David Cameron speech on multiculturalism:

    For if, in aggregate, certain groups do not rise, this reflects more on their group characteristics than upon the host country. For example, the Sikhs, who came to Britain from the Punjab with nothing, are now the second-wealthiest group by household, as classified by religious affiliation; notwithstanding individual successes, Muslims who came from the Punjab at the same time remain relatively poor. The explanation for this difference may not be religious, but it’s an important question that no politician such as Cameron would dare to ask, let alone try to answer.

    The point is that if you work hard and focus on education, there is nothing to stop you from becoming successful.

    http://www.city-journal.org/2015/eon0730td.html

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  124. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I’ve looked hard but I cannot find that Black upper class that successfully performs in our industrial culture. I’ve had conversations with Blacks doing well in affirmative action slots (prestigious titles and salaries) and they go something like this:

    “Look, life is like a piece of pie. This is the White piece and this is the Black piece. I’m Black … this is my piece.” This same person threatened his supervisor with a racial discrimination complaint if he did not send him to a prestigious school for an advanced degree. The supervisor, not noted for backbone or integrity, folded and send him for the degree.

    “Wow, you won’t believe how good life is being Black these days. I can go anywhere and get any job I want. All I have to do is ask ….”

    Yet, I could see what was really going on — affirmative action numbers at any price — when I ran across a situation in the military. Four newly minted Black lieutenant colonels were assigned to a White female major at a higher headquarters level so she could teach them the basics on how to be an “action officer” in the military … something they should have learned years before as captains in the normal progression.

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    “Wow, you won’t believe how good life is being Black these days. I can go anywhere and get any job I want. All I have to do is ask ….”
     
    LMFAO! Wow, so you know black people, who glowing tell a white person, how good life is being black, and how easy it is to find a job?

    Dude, where do you live, and can I please have these wonderful black people's contact info? I would love to befriend them.
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  125. @Anon
    http://www.myfoxny.com/story/29691206/bratton-we-cant-repeat-the-1970s-again

    Bring back the 70s!!

    I can dig it!!

    Colin Quinn says the “Taxi Driver” era in NYC was better if you were a French film student than if you actually lived in New York.

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    What about the "French Connection", "The Seven-Ups","Death Wish" and "Vigilante" eras?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9R389kyfYE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au0L-xZ7bBc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vACWV5sRcY
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  126. I think black failure is not only good for black elites but also for those who actually “fail” in that sense. Black failure means nothing else than always doing what you want, such as beating somebody in the face when you feel like doing it, shooting somebody, having children with strangers…All in all it probably very satisfactory. Also the violence daunts other people which guarantees you privilege. The real, violence based privilege. Not the the fake fantasy “white privilege”

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  127. Truth says:
    @Anonymous
    I've looked hard but I cannot find that Black upper class that successfully performs in our industrial culture. I've had conversations with Blacks doing well in affirmative action slots (prestigious titles and salaries) and they go something like this:

    "Look, life is like a piece of pie. This is the White piece and this is the Black piece. I'm Black ... this is my piece." This same person threatened his supervisor with a racial discrimination complaint if he did not send him to a prestigious school for an advanced degree. The supervisor, not noted for backbone or integrity, folded and send him for the degree.

    "Wow, you won't believe how good life is being Black these days. I can go anywhere and get any job I want. All I have to do is ask ...."

    Yet, I could see what was really going on -- affirmative action numbers at any price -- when I ran across a situation in the military. Four newly minted Black lieutenant colonels were assigned to a White female major at a higher headquarters level so she could teach them the basics on how to be an "action officer" in the military ... something they should have learned years before as captains in the normal progression.

    “Wow, you won’t believe how good life is being Black these days. I can go anywhere and get any job I want. All I have to do is ask ….”

    LMFAO! Wow, so you know black people, who glowing tell a white person, how good life is being black, and how easy it is to find a job?

    Dude, where do you live, and can I please have these wonderful black people’s contact info? I would love to befriend them.

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    Yes, all three of these instances are real. They involved associates at work. As described in the blog, they would be considered the "elite" in the Black community.

    I was equally shocked when that person blurted out that being "Black" was a ticket to anywhere he wanted to go ... but perhaps that was his experience in government that at the time was doing everything it could to make its affirmative action numbers.
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  128. Ed says:
    @Ben H
    "For example, it’s pretty embarrassing to have Ta-Nehisi Coates be thought of as your most foremost public intellectual..."

    One of the problems for black intellectuals is that they are all creatures of white institutions like the Ivy League. They don't have any of their own institutions to run or be a part of. Since they make their living living off the largess of white institutions, its not that much of a stretch to see how they can not do other than advise other blacks to live off whites. Do as I am doing, in other words. Independent black institutions might create the ability for black intellectuals to have the confidence to advise other blacks to be independent, themselves.

    Coates is a Howard Univ, a historically black university, dropout.

    Charles Blow graduated from Grambling State another HBCU

    Jelani Cobb of the New Yorker, went to Howard as well. He’s actually more formidable than Coates but of the same mindset as him.

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    Interesting. Notice that all those 'intellectuals' went on to 'white' institutions though, after their black colleges. So even though they are starting at black institutions, they aren't continuing or strengthening them, they are using that experience to move on to probably lucrative non-black gigs.
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  129. @Pete
    I have thought the same thing about Israel, and so far your comment is the only other opinion I've seen that reflects mine. The left's hate for Israel isn't about its perceived oppression of the Arabs: it's really a byproduct of the doctrine that in 2015, European peoples are not allowed to protect their people, culture, and borders from destructive third-world savages, because they must atone for the offenses of their ancestors against people of color by importing them en masse and encouraging them to destroy their countries while the whites huddle in impotent self-loathing. It enrages the lefties no end that Israelis are virtually alone among whites in the world in being unashamedly proud of their heritage and culture, and refuse to surrender them to third-world thugs who have little to offer in return except crime and welfare dependency. Why can't those uppity Israelis be morally superior and enlightened like the Brits and Swedes who kneel in guilt-induced obeisance to the barbarians?

    …Why can’t those uppity Israelis be morally superior and enlightened like the Brits and Swedes who kneel in guilt-induced obeisance to the barbarians?

    Well said!

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  130. @Pete
    I have thought the same thing about Israel, and so far your comment is the only other opinion I've seen that reflects mine. The left's hate for Israel isn't about its perceived oppression of the Arabs: it's really a byproduct of the doctrine that in 2015, European peoples are not allowed to protect their people, culture, and borders from destructive third-world savages, because they must atone for the offenses of their ancestors against people of color by importing them en masse and encouraging them to destroy their countries while the whites huddle in impotent self-loathing. It enrages the lefties no end that Israelis are virtually alone among whites in the world in being unashamedly proud of their heritage and culture, and refuse to surrender them to third-world thugs who have little to offer in return except crime and welfare dependency. Why can't those uppity Israelis be morally superior and enlightened like the Brits and Swedes who kneel in guilt-induced obeisance to the barbarians?

    …Why can’t those uppity Israelis be morally superior and enlightened like the Brits and Swedes who kneel in guilt-induced obeisance to the barbarians?

    Well said! Likewise your other posts on this thread.

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  131. Brutusale says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    I apologize for a major error in my original post. Massachusetts does not have term limits. Deval Patrick chose not to run for a third term as governor. There were several reasons for this but dangerously weak poll results was not one of them.

    Based on Patrick and Obama, never mind the bulk of the group, a good research project would be one that predicts the point where the sheer incompetence of a black politician overcomes the warm and fuzzy feeling the moonbat voter gets from supporting them.

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    I can't disagree with you there. Another interesting project would be to analyze the level of corruption and breakdown that must be achieved in Negro-majority polities before Negro voters are willing to abandon racial solidarity and vote for good government. Despite the abysmal depths achieved by corrupt and incompetent Negro regimes my impression is that usually a higher, White-run political authority has to step in to clean up the mess when the stench becomes unbearable. Detroit is the latest example.
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  132. @Ben H
    "For example, it’s pretty embarrassing to have Ta-Nehisi Coates be thought of as your most foremost public intellectual..."

    One of the problems for black intellectuals is that they are all creatures of white institutions like the Ivy League. They don't have any of their own institutions to run or be a part of. Since they make their living living off the largess of white institutions, its not that much of a stretch to see how they can not do other than advise other blacks to live off whites. Do as I am doing, in other words. Independent black institutions might create the ability for black intellectuals to have the confidence to advise other blacks to be independent, themselves.

    One of the problems for black intellectuals is that they are all creatures of white institutions like the Ivy League. They don’t have any of their own institutions to run or be a part of.

    The “Historically Black Colleges” are institutions that have been run by blacks, are they not? Among them Howard is the best known and highest regarded. At those colleges black scholars have long been able to show what they’re capable of when out from under the boot of racist whites. The results speak for themselves.

    Nowadays, most of those from the Top Tenth, such as they are, who make a career in academia accept of their own free will positions at historically white institutions, where they labor oppressed under the yoke of their white devil colleagues.

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  133. @Svigor
    Now I'm trying to remember if those two linebacker robots in Ice Pirates were supposed to be black. I know we've had a Jewish droid, Joan Rivers in Spaceballs, but I can't remember any black robots, outside of the one in Futurama. Dass Raciss. Oh, wait, there are some in the Transformers, LOL.

    So he loses his $100,000 per year sinecure to try and illegally make a few thousand dollars on the side.
     
    I've said it many times before, but I'm not convinced black impulsiveness is all down to IQ. I think it varies independently from IQ (though probably still correlated). I think even after you correct for IQ, blacks are still a lot more impulsive.

    So he loses his $100,000 per year sinecure to try and illegally make a few thousand dollars on the side.

    When you have a criminal mentality, you don’t get any satisfaction from money you legitimately earn. That’s a sucker’s game. You have to be hustling, beating the system, getting one over on The Man to get any satisfaction from it. This mindset sometimes leads to criminals working harder outside the system for less money than they could have made inside it.

    (Note: I’m not suggesting this politician was legitimately earning his salary, only that he would see it that way.)

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    "This mindset sometimes leads to criminals working harder outside the system for less money than they could have made inside it."

    I once saw a documentary on Al Capone in which someone said that Capone would have been very successful as a legitimate businessman had he put his intelligence and organizing talent to that end.
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  134. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Truth

    “Wow, you won’t believe how good life is being Black these days. I can go anywhere and get any job I want. All I have to do is ask ….”
     
    LMFAO! Wow, so you know black people, who glowing tell a white person, how good life is being black, and how easy it is to find a job?

    Dude, where do you live, and can I please have these wonderful black people's contact info? I would love to befriend them.

    Yes, all three of these instances are real. They involved associates at work. As described in the blog, they would be considered the “elite” in the Black community.

    I was equally shocked when that person blurted out that being “Black” was a ticket to anywhere he wanted to go … but perhaps that was his experience in government that at the time was doing everything it could to make its affirmative action numbers.

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  135. Hrw-500 says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Colin Quinn says the "Taxi Driver" era in NYC was better if you were a French film student than if you actually lived in New York.

    What about the “French Connection”, “The Seven-Ups”,”Death Wish” and “Vigilante” eras?

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  136. @Brutusale
    Based on Patrick and Obama, never mind the bulk of the group, a good research project would be one that predicts the point where the sheer incompetence of a black politician overcomes the warm and fuzzy feeling the moonbat voter gets from supporting them.

    I can’t disagree with you there. Another interesting project would be to analyze the level of corruption and breakdown that must be achieved in Negro-majority polities before Negro voters are willing to abandon racial solidarity and vote for good government. Despite the abysmal depths achieved by corrupt and incompetent Negro regimes my impression is that usually a higher, White-run political authority has to step in to clean up the mess when the stench becomes unbearable. Detroit is the latest example.

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    "Another interesting project would be to analyze the level of corruption and breakdown that must be achieved in Negro-majority polities before Negro voters are willing to abandon racial solidarity and vote for good government."

    New Orleans and Detroit now have white mayors. Judging from those two examples, the technical name for that level would be "postapocalyptic."

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  137. @unit472
    Whites and others can be employed even with very low IQs. Obviously not as engineers or accountants but they can do simple jobs and do them well. Unemployable whites make themselves unemployable with personal problems such as drug or alcohol issues. Blacks have those too but even when they are drug and alcohol free and of reasonable intelligence they have another issue. The inability to think and act rationally.

    We had a black IT director. He was barely competent in his position but since it was a municipal utility he didn't have to be good as outside contractors would be hired to do anything beyond the routine and he had white underlings to do the day to day work. He was basically a well paid supernumerary in charge of a department. What does he do? He gets caught selling old lap tops when new ones were issued. So he loses his $100,000 per year sinecure to try and illegally make a few thousand dollars on the side.

    We tried to have our work force represent the city population. Half black and half white, though since we also served a suburban county our total customer base was more 70% white and 30% black but to do this we had to hire 3 blacks for every white hired because black hires would inevitably get arrested or fail a drug test or violate some other policy and have to be terminated. It might be inappropriate sexual advances on a customer, theft, fighting etc but even when they were given the benefit of the doubt ( and they were) the behavior would reoccur and they would have to be let go. So despite the extra training costs to prevent the work force from gradually becoming mostly white this lopsided hiring ratio had to be maintained.

    Of course this had other effects. White employees were more experienced and capable as they stayed on the job but we had to promote inexperienced and less knowledgeable blacks to supervisory positions to maintain a racial balance above the entry level so you had a real Peter principle problem as well.

    My father was a construction contractor and an old-time, urban, northern Democrat. He several times made the noble experiment of trying to add Negroes to his work crews. It never panned out. They screwed up in dangerous ways on the work site. They would regularly be late or fail entirely to show up for work. That cost my father a lot in downtime. It wasn’t that they couldn’t do the work. They just didn’t seem to understand that they had to show up at the same time every day for work, pay attention to instructions, and not slack off at critical junctures.

    I taught sociology in the 1970s and it was regularly recommended that I use the text “Tally’s Corner”, a participant observation study of a small group of Negro layabouts in DC. These guys had all kinds of excuses for why they would not take or could not get the readily available construction jobs that were always available in their neighborhood. Thinking of my father’s experiences, I laughed out loud when I read the feeble excuses – endorsed by the naive author – these men provided for their permanaent welfare status. I later decided that one of the current neccessary perquisites for being a respected sociologist in this country is a willful blindness to many social realities.

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  138. @Harry Baldwin
    So he loses his $100,000 per year sinecure to try and illegally make a few thousand dollars on the side.

    When you have a criminal mentality, you don't get any satisfaction from money you legitimately earn. That's a sucker's game. You have to be hustling, beating the system, getting one over on The Man to get any satisfaction from it. This mindset sometimes leads to criminals working harder outside the system for less money than they could have made inside it.

    (Note: I'm not suggesting this politician was legitimately earning his salary, only that he would see it that way.)

    “This mindset sometimes leads to criminals working harder outside the system for less money than they could have made inside it.”

    I once saw a documentary on Al Capone in which someone said that Capone would have been very successful as a legitimate businessman had he put his intelligence and organizing talent to that end.

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    "I once saw a documentary on Al Capone in which someone said that Capone would have been very successful as a legitimate businessman had he put his intelligence and organizing talent to that end."

    If not a businessman, certainly a baseball player. I understand he could swing a mean bat.
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  139. Svigor says:

    To be fair it’s been less than 50 years since institutional racism codified in law was torn down, I think it will take more time..

    To be fair, you’re expecting blacks to do something they’ve never demonstrated the ability to do.

    Blacks in white societies are far wealthier (I’m understating) than blacks in black societies, which kind of demolishes the whole racism excuse.

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  140. tbraton says:
    @David R. Merridale
    Christians tended to live in cities, so the Christian share of the urban population (the empire was 80% rural) would have been much higher than 7-10%.

    “Christians tended to live in cities, so the Christian share of the urban population (the empire was 80% rural) would have been much higher than 7-10%.”

    Probably much more important than that was the fact that Christians tended to be more represented in the Roman army. It has been speculated that’s what led to Julian’s (I hope I got the name right this time) early demise. His attempt to turn the clock back and restore the ancient pagan cults was not especially popular with the Christians in his army.

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  141. tbraton says:
    @David In TN
    "This mindset sometimes leads to criminals working harder outside the system for less money than they could have made inside it."

    I once saw a documentary on Al Capone in which someone said that Capone would have been very successful as a legitimate businessman had he put his intelligence and organizing talent to that end.

    “I once saw a documentary on Al Capone in which someone said that Capone would have been very successful as a legitimate businessman had he put his intelligence and organizing talent to that end.”

    If not a businessman, certainly a baseball player. I understand he could swing a mean bat.

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  142. Ben H says:
    @Ed
    Coates is a Howard Univ, a historically black university, dropout.

    Charles Blow graduated from Grambling State another HBCU

    Jelani Cobb of the New Yorker, went to Howard as well. He's actually more formidable than Coates but of the same mindset as him.

    Interesting. Notice that all those ‘intellectuals’ went on to ‘white’ institutions though, after their black colleges. So even though they are starting at black institutions, they aren’t continuing or strengthening them, they are using that experience to move on to probably lucrative non-black gigs.

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  143. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    Combined with black dominance in culture and sports, it has this population hitting above its weight like no other

    I should have been more clear here; I’m talking about black success in pop culture that would exist with or without the suffering narrative. As someone says above, it’s “earned”–that doesn’t necessarily make it good; that legacy of the blues, jazz, disco, R&B that we loved–and that softened our hearts toward a black America that spits in our face–is lapsing into a fascism of buffoonery, murder and sexual abandon. But it is very much earned in the laissez faire (harking back some posts here) system of our culture.
    And of course those here are correct who say black power needn’t be wielded by blacks to dominate the political process; years ago someone out there coined the term Black Run America (BRA; which is no good because the point is blacks don’t “run” anything) to describe how policy is driven by black concerns even though it isn’t driven by blacks. Of course, as we speak the presidency is occupied by a diversity hire who wears that crown of black failure as he hacks away at principle and law to advance black interests–openly and unchallenged. So there is some direct handing over of power to black hands.
    But the real disaster may be the imitation of this model globally by various groups and its contribution to the West’s self-immolation by diversity.

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  144. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Svigor
    http://i.imgur.com/Wk2Zx5g.jpg

    I laughed so hard I almost puked.

    http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/heres-video-of-the-jerk-who-killed-hitchbot-1721797093

    Hard to tell the race of attacker. But skin doesn’t look black.

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    "Hard to tell the race of attacker. But skin doesn’t look black."

    Yeah it is surprising that the attacker's skin does not look Black because this happened in Philadelphia, a city which has some of the worst behaving Negroes in the country.

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  145. @Jus' Sayin'...
    I can't disagree with you there. Another interesting project would be to analyze the level of corruption and breakdown that must be achieved in Negro-majority polities before Negro voters are willing to abandon racial solidarity and vote for good government. Despite the abysmal depths achieved by corrupt and incompetent Negro regimes my impression is that usually a higher, White-run political authority has to step in to clean up the mess when the stench becomes unbearable. Detroit is the latest example.

    “Another interesting project would be to analyze the level of corruption and breakdown that must be achieved in Negro-majority polities before Negro voters are willing to abandon racial solidarity and vote for good government.”

    New Orleans and Detroit now have white mayors. Judging from those two examples, the technical name for that level would be “postapocalyptic.”

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    New Orleans and Detroit now have white mayors. Judging from those two examples, the technical name for that level would be “postapocalyptic.”

     

    Gary went first.
    , @Jefferson
    "New Orleans and Detroit now have white mayors. Judging from those two examples, the technical name for that level would be “postapocalyptic.”

    The mayor of New Orleans Mitch Landrieu is a French Catholic White and not a WASPy Anglo Saxon Protestant White like Bob Hope.
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  146. IBC says:
    @Pete
    I have thought the same thing about Israel, and so far your comment is the only other opinion I've seen that reflects mine. The left's hate for Israel isn't about its perceived oppression of the Arabs: it's really a byproduct of the doctrine that in 2015, European peoples are not allowed to protect their people, culture, and borders from destructive third-world savages, because they must atone for the offenses of their ancestors against people of color by importing them en masse and encouraging them to destroy their countries while the whites huddle in impotent self-loathing. It enrages the lefties no end that Israelis are virtually alone among whites in the world in being unashamedly proud of their heritage and culture, and refuse to surrender them to third-world thugs who have little to offer in return except crime and welfare dependency. Why can't those uppity Israelis be morally superior and enlightened like the Brits and Swedes who kneel in guilt-induced obeisance to the barbarians?

    The left’s hate for Israel isn’t about its perceived oppression of the Arabs: it’s really a byproduct of the doctrine that in 2015, European peoples are not allowed to protect their people, culture, and borders from destructive third-world savages, …

    If you don’t like “third-world savages,” why move to the Third World?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/29/netanyahu-approves-west-bank-settlement-construction-demolition

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/08/price-tag-attacks-and-the-definition-of-terrorism/400202/

    It’s 2015, not 1939. There are no excuses.

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  147. Luke Lea says: • Website
    @tbraton
    "It certainly got the Emperor’s attention. But be that as it may, between 7 and 10 percent of 50 million (the estimated population of the Roman empire, as I recall from my reading) comes to between three-and-a-half and five million people. From, let us say 12 disciples to 3,600,000 in 300 years equals an annual rate of growth of what? Not sure off the top of my head but I bet that if Christianity had continued to grow at that rate it would have been more than enough to reach saturation quite quickly. It might be easier to argue that Constantine’s intervention, and all the other state interventions after that, had a retrograde effect on Christianity’s rate of growth."

    Well, using your logic, the housing bubble never would have burst, and the price of my place might now be worth $1 billion. If you know anybody who wants to offer me that price, I would readily accept his offer. Getting more serious, let me point out that, before 1619, the number of Africans living in America was close to zero, and, now, roughly 400 years later, African-Americans number close to 40 million and comprise about 12% of our population. Projecting forward, I predict that the entire country will be black in another 100 years.

    If you had projected the course of the Persian Empire prior to Marathon and Salamis, you would have no idea that the Empire would meet its demise at the hands of a Greek conqueror about 150 years later. Had that not happened, we might all be Zoroastrians today, still believing in one god but a somewhat different god.

    BTW that's why I pointed out that it was not Constantine's decision to tolerate Christianity that sealed the deal but the later decision of Theodosius to make Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire that did seal the deal. Many Roman citizens converted to Christianity not because they were attracted by its religious principles but for expedient political reasons. There have always been a large number of nominal Christians who didn't buy into the religion. Nobody can read the great Edward Gibbon without realizing that he was a religious skeptic at the very least, but he had to be careful in expressing his ideas because, as I recall, as late as 1750 AD questioning religion was punishable by death in Britain. Ben Franklin as a young man was practically an avowed atheist, but he had the sense to temper his religious views because he knew that his true beliefs were not compatible with a successful political career in Colonial Pennsylvania or Colonial America.

    I would also point out that by 610 AD, Christianity was the dominant religion of North Africa and the Middle East and no one had heard of Islam. A little more than a 100 years later, those areas had been conquered by the forces of Islam, Christianity had been largely eliminated from those areas, and Islamic armies were fighting in what is now modern day France, only to be repelled by the grandfather of Charlemagne at Tours. Charlemagne, btw, went on to carve out a vast empire across Europe. So there is an unpredictability about how history will turn out.

    tbraton, Perhaps you are right. Contingencies are a major factor in history, and counterfactuals are just that: counter factual. Anyway it doesn’t matter to my point, which is that the Catholic Church, however it got established, and for all of its human-all-too-human failings, still managed to transmit the Old and New Testaments to early modern times. That was key for the Protestant Reformation and everything it entailed.

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  148. Svigor says:

    Hard to tell the race of attacker. But skin doesn’t look black.

    Yeah, I haven’t seen the video, but read the same thing elsewhere.

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  149. @anon
    Very perceptive comment, Bill P. Add Shi'ites as another example of the huge number of cultures who get major mileage and powerful social solidarity out of keeping grievance alive through the centuries. It's only because America in particular has been on such a historical winning streak that we don't get the spiritual power of failure.

    But I think Dale's analysis is a little unfair, frankly. He makes passing reference to "black dominance in culture and sports" as though it's a small thing, but it's a big thing, as or more important than any other factor in determining the centrality of blacks in America's thinking about itself. Blacks are just flat-out charismatic, extroverted, aggressive, and creative. They took a central cultural position in music, sports, the arts, and oratory fair and square. Native Americans suffered and were victimized by whites more than anybody, but they don't have anything like the cultural or political centrality of blacks. Of course they are a far smaller population (part of that victimization thing), but they are comparatively unimportant even symbolically. No charisma.

    “They took a central cultural position in music, sports, the arts, and oratory fair and square”

    You obviously have a distorted low-brow to no-brow view of what constitutes music, the arts and oratory.

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  150. It’s no coincidence that the first black billionaire ran a business that would have been illegal if it were white:
    Black Entertainment TV.

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    "It’s no coincidence that the first black billionaire ran a business that would have been illegal if it were white:
    Black Entertainment TV."

    He is not a billionaire anymore after his ex-wife took him to the financial cleaners.
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  151. Blacks don’t really need to accomplish something, they just need to be told that they’ve accomplished something. There was a football player named Lawyer Malloy, not really an attorney, and neither was his brother Doctor Malloy a physician, but it sounded like they were successful young men. Now blacks do love them some bizarre names, so why not Geneticist Jones, or Geologist Williams. Really, remember Priest Holmes and his brother Bishop Holmes. Linguist Lewis has a nice ring and why not Meteorologist Jackson….but spelled ghetto, add an apostrophe and a few hyphens. TNC…..could have been Author Coates and achieved the same. New name game to play with your friends.

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    There was a football player named Lawyer Malloy, not really an attorney, and neither was his brother Doctor Malloy a physician, but it sounded like they were successful young men.
     
    The artist formerly known as the Artist Formerly Known as Prince has a nephew named President.

    But nothing beats Husband E Kimmel, and he wasn't black.
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  152. Jefferson says:
    @Bill Jones
    It's no coincidence that the first black billionaire ran a business that would have been illegal if it were white:
    Black Entertainment TV.

    “It’s no coincidence that the first black billionaire ran a business that would have been illegal if it were white:
    Black Entertainment TV.”

    He is not a billionaire anymore after his ex-wife took him to the financial cleaners.

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    Welcome to the party pal!
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  153. Jefferson says:
    @Anon
    http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/heres-video-of-the-jerk-who-killed-hitchbot-1721797093

    Hard to tell the race of attacker. But skin doesn't look black.

    “Hard to tell the race of attacker. But skin doesn’t look black.”

    Yeah it is surprising that the attacker’s skin does not look Black because this happened in Philadelphia, a city which has some of the worst behaving Negroes in the country.

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  154. Jefferson says:
    @Kyle McKenna
    I've seen several other sources corroborating the distaste most white women have for black men, as mating partners at least. So it's not a little curious that most white women on television (esp blondes) seem to choose black men...

    It's almost as though someone were pursuing an agenda....

    “I’ve seen several other sources corroborating the distaste most white women have for black men, as mating partners at least. So it’s not a little curious that most white women on television (esp blondes) seem to choose black men…

    It’s almost as though someone were pursuing an agenda….”

    Statistically, when White women marry outside their race they are more likely to marry men from “Some Other Race” than they are to marry Black men.

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  155. @Svigor
    Now I'm trying to remember if those two linebacker robots in Ice Pirates were supposed to be black. I know we've had a Jewish droid, Joan Rivers in Spaceballs, but I can't remember any black robots, outside of the one in Futurama. Dass Raciss. Oh, wait, there are some in the Transformers, LOL.

    So he loses his $100,000 per year sinecure to try and illegally make a few thousand dollars on the side.
     
    I've said it many times before, but I'm not convinced black impulsiveness is all down to IQ. I think it varies independently from IQ (though probably still correlated). I think even after you correct for IQ, blacks are still a lot more impulsive.

    I know we’ve had a Jewish droid, Joan Rivers in Spaceballs

    Here are two more.

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  156. @Steve Sailer
    "Another interesting project would be to analyze the level of corruption and breakdown that must be achieved in Negro-majority polities before Negro voters are willing to abandon racial solidarity and vote for good government."

    New Orleans and Detroit now have white mayors. Judging from those two examples, the technical name for that level would be "postapocalyptic."

    New Orleans and Detroit now have white mayors. Judging from those two examples, the technical name for that level would be “postapocalyptic.”

    Gary went first.

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  157. @Buffalo Joe
    Blacks don't really need to accomplish something, they just need to be told that they've accomplished something. There was a football player named Lawyer Malloy, not really an attorney, and neither was his brother Doctor Malloy a physician, but it sounded like they were successful young men. Now blacks do love them some bizarre names, so why not Geneticist Jones, or Geologist Williams. Really, remember Priest Holmes and his brother Bishop Holmes. Linguist Lewis has a nice ring and why not Meteorologist Jackson....but spelled ghetto, add an apostrophe and a few hyphens. TNC.....could have been Author Coates and achieved the same. New name game to play with your friends.

    There was a football player named Lawyer Malloy, not really an attorney, and neither was his brother Doctor Malloy a physician, but it sounded like they were successful young men.

    The artist formerly known as the Artist Formerly Known as Prince has a nephew named President.

    But nothing beats Husband E Kimmel, and he wasn’t black.

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    Reg, two of my teacher friends taught a Sir Mister and a Sir Paris France.......don't remember their last names.
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  158. Stealth says:
    @Warner
    Or perhaps, Europeans' Christian heritage, placing the figure of the victim and scapegoat on Christ in place of humanity, removed the scapegoating/self-victimizing mechanism from ourselves. American black Christians never truly adopted a scapegoat Christ qua Christ. I don't know Black theology, but I think it's quite different than most traditional forms of Christianity and certainly different than the chief custodians of Christ as Victim due to his redeeming sacrifice in the Eucharist, the Catholics.

    American black Christians never truly adopted a scapegoat Christ qua Christ.

    Mainstream black Christians tend to hold the same beliefs as white Christians. They’re not all Al Sharptons and Marcus Garveys.

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  159. Jefferson says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "Another interesting project would be to analyze the level of corruption and breakdown that must be achieved in Negro-majority polities before Negro voters are willing to abandon racial solidarity and vote for good government."

    New Orleans and Detroit now have white mayors. Judging from those two examples, the technical name for that level would be "postapocalyptic."

    “New Orleans and Detroit now have white mayors. Judging from those two examples, the technical name for that level would be “postapocalyptic.”

    The mayor of New Orleans Mitch Landrieu is a French Catholic White and not a WASPy Anglo Saxon Protestant White like Bob Hope.

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  160. @Reg Cæsar

    There was a football player named Lawyer Malloy, not really an attorney, and neither was his brother Doctor Malloy a physician, but it sounded like they were successful young men.
     
    The artist formerly known as the Artist Formerly Known as Prince has a nephew named President.

    But nothing beats Husband E Kimmel, and he wasn't black.

    Reg, two of my teacher friends taught a Sir Mister and a Sir Paris France…….don’t remember their last names.

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  161. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jefferson
    "It’s no coincidence that the first black billionaire ran a business that would have been illegal if it were white:
    Black Entertainment TV."

    He is not a billionaire anymore after his ex-wife took him to the financial cleaners.

    Welcome to the party pal!

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