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I’ve never heard it mentioned in the American press (I can’t find any references to “binary option” ever in the New York Times, for instance), but the Times of Israel has been crusading in recent years against an Israeli-centric scam involving boiler rooms around the world promoting something called a binary option. When the Times of Israel talked the Knesset into outlawing binary option scams, the boiler rooms switched to pushing cybercurrency and the like. For example,

Israelis nabbed in Philippines are tip of iceberg in alleged fraud gone global

As police raid Israeli-operated boiler rooms in Asia and Eastern Europe, local law enforcement has yet to indict a single operative from an industry that has stolen billions
12 June 2018, 3:04 pm 14

At least eight Israelis suspected of a multimillion dollar online scam are still in custody in the Philippines, after being denied bail by the Philippine Justice Department, according to Philippine media reports.

* See update at the foot of this article.

Last week’s raid, in which almost 500 people were arrested in three adjacent offices, made headlines worldwide, including in Israel. But the call center raided by Filipino police is but one of hundreds of Israeli-run boiler rooms operating worldwide in a global plague that, to the mounting dismay and incomprehension of international law enforcement bodies, is being left unchecked by Israeli law enforcement.

The Israelis in the Philippines were arrested along with 474 of their Filipino employees in a dramatic police raid on their call center in the Clark Freeport Zone in Pampanga last Wednesday. …

According to Philippine police, IBD Marketing operated as a call center on behalf of an online trading site called, whose call center operators tried to persuade investors to invest in bitcoin.

… Many of the suspects, as well as other employees of the Philippine call center who were not arrested in the raid, are former binary options operatives, as revealed by their LinkedIn profiles and other online postings. In particular, several employees of the Philippine company were previously employed in Israel at Delta P.D. Media Ltd. and/or Gal Media Trade Ltd., two closely linked Israeli companies that operated the binary options websites and

Delta P.D. Media Ltd. and Gal Media Trade Ltd. were two of hundreds of Israeli binary options companies that operated in Israel in recent years, before the entire binary options industry was outlawed by Israel’s Knesset in October 2017. The binary options industry, which was largely fraudulent, is estimated to have stolen billions of dollars a year from victims around the world and to have employed over 10,000 Israelis before it was banned.

As a result of loopholes in the Knesset law, many Israeli binary options operatives changed the financial product they offer to forex or cryptocurrency and continue to operate much as before. In recent years, Israel binary options operatives have opened call centers abroad — including in the Philippines, Panama, Poland, Albania, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Cyprus and Serbia.

Police in Poland have over the last year raided several forex and binary options boiler rooms run by Israelis. In Albania, the financial supervisory authority recently requested the help of the state intelligence service, the state police and the anti-money laundering directorate to combat call centers operating investment scams against targets abroad. Albanian government official Erion Brace estimated there were 80 such call centers in the country. Albanian media reports and the Albanian corporate registry reveal that a significant number of these call centers are operated by Israelis and Israeli-Georgians.

* Update: June 14, 2018: Hebrew media reported that all eight Israeli detainees have been released from Philippine jail and are on their way back to Israel. The Times of Israel is looking into the circumstances of their release.

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  1. TGGP says: • Website

    I think you published this one on accident before you finished writing it.

  2. ‘I’ve never heard it mentioned in the American press, but the Times of Israel has been crusading in recent years against an Israeli-centric scam involving boiler rooms around the world promoting something called a binary option…’

    Jews from Israel were stealing between five and ten billion dollars a year with this for about a decade. The Israeli government wouldn’t let them do it to other Israelis, but refused to do anything about their overseas operations until recently.

    Those figures aren’t an exaggeration –and the near-silence in the American press isn’t surprising, although I think the Wall Street Journal warned its readers about it.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  3. It’s not so much the payout characteristic as the fact that there is no reputable clearinghouse with collateralisation arrangements that makes binary options so ripe for fraud. You may as well see if Ladbrokes will take the wager rather than taking the call from a boiler room.

  4. @TGGP

    I think you’re right. I was expecting Steve to connect the dots and tie this to the Bazelon family, or at least to golf country clubs.

    • Replies: @Anon7
    , @utu
    , @dvorak
  5. Wait.

    The Albanians are running a tighter ship than the Israelis?

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  6. It’s high time for someone to overturn the tables of the Money Changers.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  7. Well, isn’t the answer to binary options non-binary options?

    • Replies: @Lot
  8. Andrew M says:


    Is the KKKrazy Glue that binds Israelis of different origins coming unstuck? It always seemed odd to me that Israel could accommodate Jews from so many different parts of the world. In theory it’s a closed tribe; but in practice even a low rate of intermarriage will lead to wide differences over time. These days there’s little in common between an Israeli-German and an Israeli-Georgian, for example.

  9. Lot says:

    We tolerate Amway and Herbalife, pyramid scams that started in the USA but are now about 80% abroad.

  10. Lot says:

    “The Times of Israel is looking into the circumstances of their release.”

    Nobody better dare imply a sack of ill-gotten cash can get you out of any Filipino jail.

  11. J.Ross says: • Website

    Those are arguably not scams; both sell merchandise (of arguable utility), and Amway is really just a scam to its own employees. This is a more pure scam.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Anonymous
  12. Lot says:


    These guys look like standard hairy Caucasians,* but are most closely related to Persian Jews.

    *I propose, to avoid confusion between the two meanings of “Caucasians” we rename the “People from the Caucuses” as Kardashians.

    So: “Chechens are are the Kardashians who have contributed the most to the culture and economy of the United States.”


    “No, I don’t mean Georgia with Atlanta, I mean Kardashian-Georgia.”


    “Unz is writing an 37,000 word blog about how the Mossad is conspiring with various Kardashian governments to build a pipeline that cuts off Iran and Syria and goes through the Black Sea instead.”

    • Replies: @Jack D
  13. Anonymous[422] • Disclaimer says:

    For some reason, I always thought that Poland and Israelis would have come to a tacit unspoken agreement to forever keep aloof from one another.

  14. Dtbb says:

    Looking up Charles Black that Reg Caesat mentioned I came across this guy. Similar but supposedly purely ideological.

  15. Lot says:

    Sure, but what’s worse, losing $2000 to a telemarketer, or losing $2000 to a pyramid scam and also alienating your family and friends by trying to push expensive protein shakes, laundry detergent, and “business opportunities” on them.

    • Replies: @Dtbb
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @J.Ross
  16. Lot says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “Genderqueer” in practice is mostly how left-wing completely heterosexual women label themselves for additional diversity Pokemon points. It is so vague and meaningless anyone can use it.

  17. Dtbb says:

    I hear that. The Market America cult cost me a girlfriend with 44DD’s.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  18. wren says:

    The annoying Israeli scam I see where I live are aggressive, expensive cosmetics shops. They are popping up all over the place, and it is hard to get past them.

    They rip all their customers off.

    Does the Israeli government or the local Jewish community care about how their aggressive, greedy, dishonest tactics might reflect on Israel or the local Jewish community?

  19. LondonBob says:

    Unsurprisingly Israel can be considered a failed state with organised crime having corrupted everything. A lot of mafia types Putin chased out ended up there too, McMafia was surprisingly honest in this portrayal, another trope.

    The Israeli media reports on it.

    As has the US authorities.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  20. @Colin Wright

    Kind of like Canada towards scammers who target only Americans?

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Colin Wright
  21. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:

    AH thats nothing what (((they))) do in the new york real estate business now thats serious criminality and I doubt new york is there only niche

  22. “Binary options trading” has been a recognized scam in Europe for a number of years. The scammers used to run clickbait adverts on Facebook that were fraudulent in their own right (e.g. some celebrity has died, or a famous businessman recommends a failsafe way to earn money). These adverts appear much less frequently now.

  23. @Canadian Observer

    It’s high time for someone to overturn the tables of the Money Changers.


    There’s a bunch of people in this world who do not want to work for a living, but still want to eat and have all the nice things. And we are far, far, far too tolerant. High trust, productive peoples ought not to tolerate these people at all. When these people try and prey on us, we should hunt them down relentlessly, find them and kill them.

    Death to the parasites, every last one.

    • Agree: Dtbb, MBlanc46
    • Replies: @Anon7
    , @Desiderius
  24. @Dtbb

    I hear that. The Market America cult cost me a girlfriend with 44DD’s.

    There’s a larger problem there:

    “Girlfriend with 44DD’s” is designed by nature–rather obviously in her case!–to be having, nursing and raising babies. That’s her job, her skill set–not trying to figure out some bullshit non-productive “career” and ending up with a scam.

    • Replies: @Dtbb
  25. Mr. Anon says:

    Agreed. At least with a scam you just lose money. Amway and related MLM schemes are nigh-on cults that alienate people from their loved ones. They are pernicious.

  26. @Lot

    We tolerate Amway and Herbalife, pyramid scams that started in the USA but are now about 80% abroad.

    Agree with J.Ross about direct comparability.

    But agree with you that we should not tolerate this crap.

    There’s a whole lot of parasitic b.s. in America that a real nationalist, conservative governent would rein in/shut down.

    Off the top of my head:
    — shut down these pyramid schemes
    — shut down the time share scam

    — financial “industry” employment is at least two or three times too large; among the obvious things,
    – consolidate all the tax sheltered pension schemes (pensions, IRAs, 401Ks, 403Bs, etc.) into one (generous) scheme, that is tightly regulated with hard expense caps; people should be in low cost index funds owning the market
    – reign in this “financial advisor” scam; again 95% of people should just be owning the market with their retirement savings and getting on with their lives
    – ban mortgage securitization and end the mortgage-broker middle man business; housing finance should be provided by huge, well-capitalized (multi-100 billions) companies playing only with house money (not demand deposits, not selling securities, but owner’s capital); get the government out of it;
    – get rid of financial (stock market) options
    – eliminate the “insurance industry”‘s playing in retirement and inheritance–just insure stuff

    (on and on and on–there’s a ton of cleanup to shrink the number of people sucking at the “other people’s money teat”)

    — tax simplification
    – there’s no reason 99% of people should need a tax accountant; most people should not have to even file a tax form

    — legal simplification
    – there’s no reason 95% should need a lawyer to get through life; managing the whole “dying and pass it on” process should be a bunch of simple selections–heck, state government should provide it on-line–and one that favors and defaults to the natural civilized order of passing what you’ve built on to your children
    – simplified marriage/divorce rules on assets and children; again ones that prioritize civilization and suppress games (joint custody)

    That’s just some obvious stuff, i’ve thought of. Knowledgeable people in particular areas know more. In a sane society productive labor, savings, family, children are prioritized and scams, waste, parasitism are reined in and quashed.

    • Agree: Lot, bomag
    • Replies: @Lot
  27. Alfa158 says:

    They are able to get away with it by selling products, no matter how over-priced. The illegal pyramid scheme has the victims simply giving money away to the next people up the pyramid with no physical sale involved. The exchange of money, only for a product makes it a “multi-level” (LOL) marketing system.
    And they sold a hell of a lot of the stuff. The co-founder’s daughter-in-law is the current secretary of education Betsy DeVoss. The family owns an NBA team, an entire fleet of executive jets and at one time, two yachts; a 131 footer and a 168 footer. I once visited the little one after my employer installed a navigation system.

    Women are particularly vulnerable to social marketing plans, not necessarily pyramid schemes, but sales systems involving the saleswoman hosting parties in her home to sell overpriced whatever. Women are more prone to want to be seen as “nice” people and conform. (See the present political condition of Western countries). Tupperware was I believe the originator of the idea, but now it is used to sell clothes, jewelry, household implements etc. Penn and a Teller did a show on social marketing. It included someone who tried the same social marketing targeting men and selling barbecue equipment and sauces. Men don’t have the same instinct to get along with the rest of the flock. The men showed up at the party, ate the samples, drank the beer and all left without buying anything. Based on my wife’s experience attending these, normally every attendee at the women’s social marketing parties will buy something.

  28. Mike1 says:

    While this is a scam that should see push-back on the perpetrators, this says more about the almost unimaginable stupidity of the average person than the people doing it. A couple of minutes research should have convinced a not very bright person that this was stupid.
    The same with the weird cosmetics scams that are being done in high end ski towns. If you authorize a $30,000.00 payment for some lotion you are clearly the fool in the “fool and his money” quote.
    As this is a blog with a fairly strong anti Jewish slant it is also probably not clear to a lot of readers that many of the customers of this scam are Jewish people. It is part affinity fraud, part “I’m smart enough to understand this” fraud.

  29. Jack D says:

    I was very confused the first time (long after the 1st run) I saw the Star Trek series where the villains are named Kardashians .

  30. Anon7 says:
    @International Jew

    He should retitle the article Schrödinger’s Money, the idea being that looking at the option at the end of the period collapses the waveform, revealing $0 or $100. Regrettably, for the purposes of this article, Schrödinger was not Jewish.

    However, he could redeem his thesis at the end by mentioning that Erwin S. lived with both his wife and his mistress, and which bed he woke up in the next morning was sublimated into his famous Schrödinger’s Cat Gedankenexperiment. Long German words impress everyone.

  31. Anon7 says:

    Amen. This was my thought when my wife realized that her ordinarily sharp mother was starting to develop dementia. She looked into her mom’s finances and found a dozen scam artists pulling $10 to $20 dollars per month out of her bank account for various spurious “causes”.

    Oh, and don’t forget the New Yorker. Those scumbags called her every few months or so to get her to renew her subscription. Since she didn’t remember doing it, she always said yes. As a result, we received the New Yorker for four years after her death. I like the cartoons, but come on.

  32. utu says:
    @International Jew

    The connection was made in Mein Kampf:

    “It doesn’t even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organisation for their international world swindler, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks.”

  33. Lot says:
    @Redneck farmer

    The big Canadian scam that targets Americans I have heard of are Vancouver and Toronto penny stock scams.

    For a long time they were fake gold mining companies. Now they are marijuana companies too.

  34. Brutusale says:
    @Justice Duvall

    As they were sure that only the goyim would be fleeced, the Israelis adopted the attitude of Neo in The Matrix: there is no ship.

  35. dvorak says:
    @International Jew

    I was expecting Steve to connect the dots and tie this to the Bazelon family, or at least to golf country clubs.

    iSteve is a responsible journalist, like Redford or Hoffman. Follow the money. Secure non-denial denials. Etc.

  36. @LondonBob

    I don’t think that Israelis or Jews generally care about how they are viewed, as long as they get to keep their ill-gained money. They deserve to do anything they wish, since they are world’s biggest victims.

    When I was in Israel, there was a chain of fast food restaurants called McDavid’s that looked very much like McDonald’s from the outside. They even used the golden arches with the red background. When I asked about this, I was told that McDonald’s couldn’t do a thing about it because the courts in Israel wouldn’t enforce the law.

    If a scam is dishonestly using the money of others to enrich yourself, then Israel is a gangster state, and Jews have loose attitudes about victimizing others.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Shmendrix
  37. Lot says:

    Let’s keep going comrade!

    Hard usury cap of 10% + prior year’s CPI, no exceptions, never. If the borrower can’t get a loan below 12%, he shouldn’t get a loan period. Same for businesses too. I could be talked into an even lower cap.

    No payday loans, though prior rule covers them completely, the cheapest payday lenders are around 40% apr, average is more than 100%.

    Require a mailed physical signature before credit/debit cards can be autobilled, aside from things like utility payments.

    Long jail sentences for robodial telemarking or anyone spoofing caller IDs and email headers. Waste 20 seconds of 10 million people, and that is stealing 6.24 years of time from them by fraud. Double that and you have a reasonable punishment.

    No “rent to own.”

    trade embargoes of all the little island tax heavans. No business incorporated in the Caymans can have any operations in the USA.

    Pharma ads require FDA pre-approval. No payments by pharma to practicing doctors under any circumstance, including “speaking fees” “conference expenense reimbursement” and “research grants.” If you have the power to write a script, you can’t take a dime.

    Toobin Tax on all trading put an end to “high frequency trading.” There is no legitimate reason to buy and sell a stock all within 1 second. It is all front running of actual investors.

    Moderate but no-exceptions tax on large inheritances.

    No federal student loans. College was affordable to the middle class before the federal student loan era, it will be again.

    Federal ban on ex-felon voting.

    Wisdom of our ancestors: sumptuary taxes on conspicuous consumption. Example: 10% tax on cars sold for more than 100k, shoes for more than $250, wine for more than $100, restaurant meals for more than $100/person.

  38. bomag says:

    Long jail sentences for robodial telemarking or anyone spoofing caller IDs and email headers.

    I watched a couple youtube videos that string along Indian scammers of various sorts; mostly fake tech support and alleged IRS troubles. The end can be disturbing, with the upset foreigners gleefully bragging about how much money they make; or how stupid are Americans; one guy claimed he had a fellow national working at the IRS and he fed them names and numbers of people with actual tax troubles that made them more vulnerable to the pitch; yet another example or the tribalist working an advantage over the non-tribalist.

    I’m thinking a couple of targeted air strikes would end this in a week, if we had politicians who cared about this country’s citizens and were willing to do something for them.

  39. @AnotherDad

    Dude, you’re harshing my mellow. Jesus was about positive energy man.

  40. @Lot

    We’ll need to get some of the left on board to make that happen. Some of course already are.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Anonymous
  41. Dtbb says:

    Well she was 48 when I met her. Alas nature was cruel and inflicted her with defective plumbing.

  42. Lot says:

    That was Bannon’s plan.

    I keep hoping the next season of the Trump Show features a dramatic reconciliation of him and Donnie.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  43. ATBOTL says:

    * Update: June 14, 2018: Hebrew media reported that all eight Israeli detainees have been released from Philippine jail and are on their way back to Israel. The Times of Israel is looking into the circumstances of their release.

    This always happens in these cases. Almost none of these Israelis who scam goyim are held accountable. The Israeli government is undeniably in on these scams and taking great measures to protect the criminals from justice.

    I’m really glad to see Steve bringing this issue up. All of us in the alt-right need to make a major push to publicize this issue.

    Above all, we have to encourage sympathy for the goyim who were scammed and demand full compensation and harsh punishment for the Israel criminals. There needs to be reports about the victims and their suffering. That’s what is typically missing from the little media coverage these kinds of cases get.

    This needs to become a major news story.

  44. Lot says:

    “McDavid’s … then Israel is a gangster state”

    Oh well proof that Israel is evil, you can’t enforce IP on “McD*”

    You’d never have to worry about that here.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  45. ATBOTL says:

    We tolerate Amway and Herbalife, pyramid scams that started in the USA but are now about 80% abroad.

    Those things are in no way equivalent to binary options scams. We will all note that you are once again trying to deflect blame from members of your own tribe who harm others.

    Sad to see some folks take the bait and start talking about MLM schemes. What Lot is doing is one of the main Jewish tactics for suppressing discussion of Jewish aggression towards non-Jews. He has introduced a distraction to derail the discussion.

    Please goyim, use your brains when you deal with people like Lot.

    • Replies: @Lot
  46. @Lot

    You and Another Dad are talking my lingo. Unfortunately, the deck is stacked against us, the citizens: 1) Lobbying power of the financialized so-called economy is ginormus; 2) The Government is part of the grift, a) lots of people with jobs that owe their existence to perpetuating and enforcing the grift on us, b) they make big bucks out of this crap [inheritance taxes…I live in NJ, don’t get me started on what kind of rogering there was in settling my dad’s estate, suffice it to say they got multiple pounds of flesh for what role exactly in the accumulation of modest wealth by a hard-working family?].

    I distinctly recall the time that my dad spoke with me about how the government’s increasingly confiscatory, spendthrift ways had finally forced my mother to leave her life as an exemplary homemaker to take a job to help the family finances. I just wonder what role – and with what behind the curtains support (Steinem was CIA) – second wave feminism made in helping to perpetuate mindless consumerism, and helped to make the dreams of finance capitalism all come true, all while increasing stress on those psychologically and culturally invested in responsible childbearing & childrearing.

    Presto, you get two white taxpayers providing the funds to erect the permanent underclass’ welfare state (with all its “workers”, i.e., hanger-on useless eaters), and thereby making it more and more difficult for those two white taxpayers to have kids. So, fewer white people who by preference and culture strive for self-reliance, and as the cherry on the sundae, using their own taxes to oppress them financially and culturally.

    • Replies: @Lot
  47. KunioKun says:

    I laughed at the first sentence on Wikipedia: A binary option is a financial exotic option in which the payoff is either some fixed monetary amount or nothing at all.
    Maybe somebody should change it and add: also known as gambling.

    Speaking of Israel and Philippines…
    A fun True Crime story about a guy named Paul Le Roux can be read here:

    He used call centers in Israel and operated from the Philippines. He convinced a bunch of pharmacies to sell drugs to people using fake prescriptions. He was making over $100 million a year. He got caught because he hired two morons to assassinate somebody in the Philippines. It is possible he attempted to finance a coup against Mugabe in Zimbabwe. He is also the original creator of TrueCrypt, an easy to use tool for Windows to encrypt files.

  48. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    That will never work because today’s leftists are the most brand-aware, class-conscious people you can possibly imagine. For all I know they’ve always been this way.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  49. @Lot

    Bannon would have to make it that long.

  50. Time to do a cost-benefit analysis on whether tolerance for excessive in-tribe behavior is less costly than the risk of being smeared as anti-Semitic.

    It seems to me, the smear is effective only so long as mainstream society is willing to ostracize those who have been smeared.

    Perhaps a group of domesticated Muslims could be formed to take on the role of surrogate anti-Semites. In return, we could grant them limited absolution for 9-11. Probably involves planting a chip that alerts mainstream jounalists to their acquiesence or something. The app would have to be written by non-Israelis, of course.

    I feel a sitcom coming on.

  51. J.Ross says: • Website

    Why did Sandeep get arrested?
    Medicare fraud.
    Why did Wyeth get arrested?
    Cooking meth.
    Why did Excalibraveous get arrested?
    While running away from the elderly woman he violently raped, he punched a cop.
    Why did Chaim get arrested?
    Industrial scale 21st-century highway robbery, with telecommunications equipment and a staff of 500.
    And Said and Eduardo didn’t get arrested.

  52. J.Ross says: • Website

    Not only does all this sound good to me, none of it sounds like it would even be controversial to anyone outside DC.

  53. Shock: another call center scandal in the Phillipines, the place where many irresponsible American corporations have outsourced or offshored call centers, including companies that handle sensitive information. Have you ever worked in an American call center?

    I have worked in multiple call centers. Every American worker @ $10 to $12 per hour is subjected to a background check, a drug test, a series of proficiency tests, a hefty stack of paperwork, a bunch of cheesy workers comp & sexual harassment films, interviews with the youthful temp agency employees and sometimes onsite, too, etc., etc. They scrutinize you to the hilt, forcing you to jump through endless hoops even when you have worked in many similar positions. They put you through all of that for every six weeks worth of work at a wage insufficient to cover rent.

    With all of the Americans willing to go through all of that for low-wage work, including many underemployed college grads, big companies that got a bigly tax cut, like AT&T, put call centers in the Philippines. And those superior foreign employees who are so much more “skilled” than Americans proceeded to steal tons of customer data a few years ago. The corporate-owned US press de-emphasized it, but there are articles about it on the internet.

    You cannot critique global working families, an idealized group whether they are working for American companies abroad or here in the USA—an idealized group not because they are more skilled or more ethical than American citizens, but due to their ability to work cheaper than Americans.

    Cheaper is not always safer.

    Do American companies check out their global workforce six ways to Sunday, traveling to the Philippines and other countries where they ship millions of jobs, scrutinizing their foreign workforce through various data bases? Ugh, no, they do not, no more than American caseworkers are investigating the motherload of immigrants swarming across the US border through non-existent data bases in their countries of origin.

    Foreign workers often lack documentation, whereas American citizens are awash in documentation in this bureaucratic nation. But cheapskate corporations entrust cheap foreign workers with your information, anyway, regardless of how little they know about them. Most of the foreign workers have reproduced through womb-productive sex. They have families. They are “working families,” so they must be ethical enough not to steal your information. There is a very different set of rules for foreign call center employees.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  54. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Amway was/is a pyramid scam to its distributors but if you worked for the company itself in Ada you did well. Their products were often quite good as well, though somewhat overpriced. I used SA-8 with fluffener added exclusively for decades as laundry soap, worked great. LOC was a good cleaner too though if you got it in your eyes you were in big trouble.

    I attended several distributor functions for Amway and even “bought a kit” once or twice for the entertainment value. The business model is inherently flawed, though, and I knew that instinctively from Day One.

    The best explanation, written by people primarily opposed to Amway because of the negative effects it had on their church (and others.) MLM is a church wrecker, a marriage wrecker, a small business wrecker. It’s a catastrophe waiting to happen for any organization if it involves more than one or two people at work.

    Ironically many MLMs actually have good products. Amway, Shaklee, Amsoil all had good stuff in their lines because the product build cost didn’t matter, so they put in the good stuff. Much like the hot chocolate powder the Mormon storehouses sell, far and away the best hot chocolate you can get.

    When they changed the SA-8 formula I switched to a Fuller Brush liquid, which worked even better (Fuller is not MLM) but then they quit selling that too. You can’t win.

  55. Lot says:

    Darn, you really exposed me this time.

  56. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Shock: another call center scandal in the Phillipines, the place where many irresponsible American corporations have outsourced or offshored call centers, including companies that handle sensitive information. Have you ever worked in an American call center?

    YES. I have.

    American call centers are bad enough. I found high school friends and tormentors, local movers and shakers, and out of boredom one day pulled up the name of a certain celebrity. I knew her DOB, mother’s maiden name off the top of my head, as I’m sure lots of fanbois (and girls) do. I got access to her current residences (she listed three) , full 9 digit SSN, annual reported income (high 6 figures then) and a host of stuff. I did not copy anything down, but if I’d been a stalker….

    I was paranoid I’d be busted for this but I worked there fulltime for another year and part time for another two and never got bothered once.

    The upside to having Filipinos and other foreigners, especially those who can’t conveniently get on a jet to America on a whim, having access to this stuff versus US residence is that on a practical level their ability to commit mischief with this data is limited in a lot of ways. Some Pinoy call center agent is not going to walk into a Walmart in the Philipines and claim to be American Joe Bagodonuts. Do they even HAVE WalMarts in the Phillipines?

    Much less claim to be an American celeb, even a fourth tier one like I mentioned above (I spoke with C and B list celebrities and the parents of same on several occasions, never an A lister, they had dedicated agents on their accounts) and run up a tab on their,say, Brooks Brothers account.

    Working that (nontechnical) call center job (while I designed and built high end audio equipment at night) was instructive. Taught me a LOT about black women, lesbians, gays, slumming hipsters, and a few other white male misfits like myself. One of my co-workers went on to become a Ph.D theologian at a big religious college, another went to aircraft mechanic school then went to work for an elevator company and now lives in Manhattan and makes $200K+ a year, a third is now in med school in his early forties. We weren’t all complete losers.

    That job did require me to be fingerprinted, credit report, drug tested, last ten years of employment verified, etc. etc. Everyone that worked there did too. Yet, over my tenure there at least three people turned out to be illegal immigrants and got deported or they quit and ran off somewhere. One was a Mexican mestiza, the other two were Eastern Europeans, one male one female. So either the system is broke or the company-that call center was then owned by a VERY big company that made everything from light bulbs to locomotives-artfully worked the system. makes you wonder.

  57. Lot says:

    Sorry to hear about that experience. NJ having a state inheritance tax starting at 25k is about as bad and Bush’s drive to get rid of all estate taxes.

    I think $5 million is about right for the exemption, which was the federal one for a long time.

    Per this article, only six states still have state level taxes after a wave of repeals.

    To the extent a state has one, something like “5% of the federal tax” form makes sense because it doesn’t require additional paperwork.

  58. @Anonymous

    Nah, that’s the FakeLeft. Politics is a fashion accessory for them. I’m talking serious people like Matt Stoller.

  59. @Endgame Napoleon

    Call centres are the tip of the data-harvesting iceberg.

    Think of the proportion of the medium- and large-enterprise codebase, that has been outsourced to code-farms in Bangalore and elsewhere. Not only does that represent a security issue ‘going in’, but it also has ramification when the code is delivered.

    Outside of the actual tech sector, C-suites and IT management view coders as a cost – especially ‘back-end’, i.e., database management and systems administration. So they’ll cut corners by under-resourcing sysadmins and DBAs, and outsourcing a lot of code-generation (anything above scripting – i.e., more than a few hundred lines of code).

    Non-tech firms with workforces smaller than about 1500 employees rarely have any employees with the technical competence to check (much less actually test) code – and the firms that generate the code have very little incentive for quality control. Firms with 1,500 employees might have 40 people ‘in IT’, but the bulk of those will not be code-competent and nobody is specifically tasked with ensuring that outsourced code is ‘safe’.

    So non-tech enterprise codebases are full of poorly-documented, poorly maintained code, some of which has critical security flaws including known vulnerabilities (and for firms with fewer than a hundred installs of any operating system, there will be unpatched system and server vulnerabilities as well).

    Even places like Twitter have dropped the ball on testing: they had neglected to switch off a module that was testing entropy in their password hashing, which resulted in plaintext passwords being written to a file for five years without anybody noticing (assuming it wasn’t deliberately being done for exfiltration – of which more below). Either way, it means that the team charged with filesystem administration failed to monitor the filesystem properly… and that code wasn’t sourced externally

    Of course there are also in-house fuckups – like when people set up an AWS bucket, put critical client data in it without encryption, and then make it open to the world; and there is also specific corporate and sovereign espionage, where people infiltrate technical workforces and exfiltrate data over a long period.

    The combination of incompetence and corruption is what makes it so easy for competent hackers to obtain data on any individual.

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  60. moshe says:

    Well Steve, I was going through your recent posts in chronological order (because like with ruslan and that hen that was hillary’s Trump card) it’s so damn cool to see you work your way through the investigation.

    And I came across the first comment on your recent post which was some dogdiarreah posting this article so I responded to him.

    Now the fact that your own few comments were very pro timesofistael makes my comment to the aforesaid not proper to post to one of your own posts. And plenty of other obvious reasons I wouldn’t post it here. But in the name of full transparency it seems that once I posted it below I must post it above.

    And, after all, it deserves a wider congregation.


    Man, you’re just like those k’ke yarmuka reporter whose article you managed to find and read all the way through (it’s a pretty long piece by these missionary jew uplifters).

    Yeah, bit worse.

    You n all your kind.

    The whiney uplifters who apparently devote lots if resources into this subject are trying to do the Lord’s work. They don’t care that losers like you are gonna get all this info and from such an anti-trader/scammer perspective [ to them you’re kinna just furniture, they don’t care what you think at all excdpt insasmuch as it’s a sin for jews to act badly and an especially bad one for them to do so in front of gentiles (because if gods chosen people act bad then God doesn’t look too good either) ] yeah, they’re doin the lord’s work.

    but you, my stupid pathetic friend, are no uplifter. and you care nothing for Filipinos or whatever, you. get this. well, you WON’T “get it” because it soeaks to your patheticness but you LOOKED FOR – ACTIVELY LOOKED FOR – and found and posted and shared your heartburn comment NOT to Save The Goyim (lest some be republican voting white) but because

    How badly you wish it were you who was clever enough and had sufficiently close friends and was less agorophobic so that you could pull off gangsta sh’t like that and live it up.

    My GOD how badly!

    you an all your fellow mast’baters giving each other heartburn and ulcers and just a general malaise with a side of hatred, anger and self abuse out of jealousy

    you are a funny lot

  61. Shmendrix says:

    One sad little hamburger stand in Tel Aviv is not a chain. And it had no golden arches at all; they did a red, white and blue, stars and stripes theme. It obviously hasn’t hurt McDonald’s business in Israel; their restaurants are everywhere.

  62. @Kratoklastes

    All the more reason for the USA to enact tough privacy laws that require detailed affirmative consent.

  63. It was a chain at the time. McDavid’s used the golden arches on its containers and sign, and named menu items similar names to those of McDonald’s. McDonald’s sued and lost. Apparently, McDonald’s got revenge by driving McDavid’s out of busoness.

    • Replies: @Shmendrix
  64. Shmendrix says:

    They’re still in business, and I can’t remember any time in the last 40 years that it was more than the one store, with the red, white and blue motif.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  65. @Redneck farmer

    ‘Kind of like Canada towards scammers who target only Americans?’

    I know Lot’s a Zionist. Are you a Zionist too?

    I’m genuinely curious. It’s possible you’re not, but…

  66. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Are they kosher? If so, they can’t sell cheeseburgers because you can’t mix meat and milk products, right?

    I ate at a Kosher Subway once. The meats were better than the regular Subway but with no cheese the sandwich was dry.

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