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Recently, Bill Cosby cancelled an appearance on David Letterman’s show after multiple women claimed that Cosby long ago had slipped something in their drinks to molest them.

Cosby and Letterman have something in common besides being popular comedians: they’ve both had somebody thrown in jail for blackmailing them.

Back in 2009, using the Letterman and Cosby cases as examples, I asked:

Why Is Blackmail Illegal?

And then came back to the subject the next day with

Legal v. Illegal Blackmail

Rereading the comments, I’d conclude that there are indeed good reasons for blackmail being illegal, but they are kind of subtle.

It’s worth asking if the 1990s case in which Cosby got a young woman sentenced to five years in prison for asking for a big payoff to keep quiet about her being his daughter (Cosby responded that she wasn’t his daughter and he’d only slept with her mother once) may have discouraged other women from coming forward. A good lawyer could no doubt explain the precise legal differences between the imprisoned woman’s case and yours, but the five-year sentence for blackmail had to be so frightening that it seems likely that it might have shut some women up.

As for Cosby’s character, I never really believed the America’s Dad stuff because I could remember him hanging out at the Playboy Mansion for what seemed like most of the 1970s.

Also, the “Cosby never worked blue” meme doesn’t jibe with my memories. My parents went to see Harry Belafonte at the Hollywood Bowl in the summer of 1971, but Belafonte was sick, so it was announced to patrons that Cosby would fill in for his friend. My parents thought that sounded good because they knew how much I liked his early records like “Noah” and his 1969 sit-com. But, they reported back, Cosby’s material that night was shockingly obscene, and they didn’t like that at all. That could just be my parents over-reacting, but it fit in with the Playboy Mansion stuff.

My general impression was that Cosby’s star was fading throughout the first half of the 1970s, which I thought unfortunate because I found him hilarious. But then the Jello Pudding commercials rebuilt his popularity on the basis of avuncularity, from which he segued into his immensely popular 1980s sitcom (which I didn’t find hilarious).

On the other hand, I know a fellow who played a minor recurring character on the 1980s sitcom. He’s a good guy and he looks up to “Mr. Cosby” as a role model. So, the reality, whatever it was, is complicated.

Veteran commenter James Kabala, who worked hard back in 2009 to explain blackmail law to me, comments:

I think we discussed this at the time of the Letterman case – blackmail is not “coming forward.” Blackmail is NOT coming forward and then getting money out of it too. A blackmailer only goes public if he fails in his attempt to get the money. The blackmailer prefers for his mark’s bad deeds to go unpublicized. If they were publicly known, then there is nothing to get paid off about.

Sure, but you had to explain blackmail law to me about 3 times before I finally started to understand it.

If I were some actress/model/whatever who heard about Cosby sending an accuser to prison for five years, how confident would I be that I understood the law well enough to risk accusing somebody who evidently has that kind of mojo and is that merciless? And am I all that sure he really did put a Mickey Finn in my drink? Or maybe I just had too many drinks? Is it impossible to imagine that Bill Cosby charmed me into having too many drinks? Maybe I sort of drunkenly agreed to take a Quaalude to make a certain sexual practice less painful? It’s all kind of in a Seventies haze …

What’s going on now is that lots of these women are hearing each other accuse Cosby of putting something in their drinks, so that adds credibility to their suspicions that they didn’t really drink that much the time they slept with Cosby.

But that kind of thing can sometimes turn out very wrong, like UFO sightings built on drunk drivers’ vague experiences, for which their reading about other drunk drivers’ claims provides them a vocabulary of details to cite.

So, I don’t know. But that’s why I think things like the blackmail incident and all the times he was on TV hanging out with Hef in the 1970s are moderately informative.

In contrast, say that during the 2012 election, wave after wave of women came forward accusing Mitt Romney or Barack Obama of drugging and raping them. That could be true, I suppose, but it doesn’t fit with much else we publicly know about them. There is just not much evidence of either one chasing tail very much.

In contrast, we have public record of of Cosby being a big league tail-chaser from all the TV shows from the Playboy Mansion he appeared on that everybody has forgotten about. And there’s the 1997 blackmail case. But that also doesn’t mean he’s guilty of drugging and raping women since it looked like plenty of women were enthusiastic.

So, we’ll see …

 
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  1. You know it’s blackmail when these ‘victims’ go to the media and their lawyer instead of the police.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Cosby would have been acquainted with Autumn Jackson's mother ca. 1973. If these other incidents occurred in that era, prosecution of Cosby would be time-barred in all but a few jurisdictions, even if the woman in question was below the age of consent.
  2. The popularity of the Cosby Show was interesting because not only wasn’t it funny, but it didn’t really try to be. There were no Threes Company-style crazy set-ups for hilarity to ensue. It was the jello pudding of sitcoms, but I guess America was ready for a happy, bourgeois, black family after some of the angrier black sitcom families of the ’70s.

    As for Cosby’s rape accusers, there seems to be a common thread in reactions to their stories and the #shirtstorm kerfuffle: the infantilization of women. Those who ask why an accuser didn’t go to the police at the time, and instead continued to consort with Cosby, are told, “she was only 19!”, as if it’s outrageous to expect an adult woman to report a crime.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    I guess America was ready for a happy, bourgeois, black family after some of the angrier black sitcom families of the ’70s.

    Top black comedians and comic actors ca. 1975 included (in addition to Cosby) Nipsey Russell, Sherman Hemsley, Esther Rolle, Flip Wilson, John Amos, Isabel Sanford, Jimmie Walker, Redd Foxx, deMond Wilson, and Dick Gregory. I think Dick Gregory had a mess of mordant political humor incorporated into his act and Robert Culp once said that off-stage, Bill Cosby ca. 1966 was 'the angriest man alive'. Sherman Hemsley played a parody of an angry black man; John Amos' grumpy paterfamilias was strictly in bounds. These people were not trading in anger.
  3. (which I didn’t find hilarious)

    Never watched a single episode. Despite Lisa Bonet. Never understood the appeal. But it’s not the only program I never watched.

  4. The first two commentators are actually taking Cosby’s side and putting the women down.

    Wow, ok. Have you Ever Been to Hollywood? It’s a scary place, and you don’t piss powerful people off.

    I don’t remember you guys saying that about the boy fucking of the X-Men director….was that ‘infantilization of young boys’

    Screw you guys. Stop reading Roissy. Sometimes bad men do things to women.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Yes, but after years of feminist rage, we just don't care. Chivalry's dead, my friend, and they killed it.
    , @WhatEvvs
    LOL, you don't seem to understand Steve Sailer's hierarchy of grievances. In this case, Cos is the beleaguered middle aged male, so he takes Cos's side in the matter.

    Most of the woman-hating dicks here will be too lazy to read this article, but I offer it anyway, because it contains a good description of the molestation of the virginal looking Andrea Constand:

    http://www.phillymag.com/articles/dr-huxtable-mr-hyde/

    Constand was not in show biz and did not do anything to bring on what happened to her. She went to the home (not a hotel room) of someone who had posed as a mentor for two years. It is true that some of the women who are accusing him of rape did things that were ill advised - but he DRUGGED them. In what universe is this excusable? Here, I guess.

    BTW, Cosby actually GAVE an interview to National Enquirer in 2005. Who gives an interview to a rag like the Enquirer?? Someone who is being truly blackmailed. National Enquirer knew the truth about Cosby so he gave them an interview to keep them on his good side. In that interview, he continued to dig a hole and defamed Constand, which forced her to bring another suit against Cosby and his lawyer.

    Altogether Constand was forced to bring two civil actions against this creep. All because she trusted him enough to go to his home for some fatherly advice.

    To say to Sailer, and his dittoheads, "You ought to be ashamed of yourselves" is a waste of space. Haters gonna hate, and creeps gonna be creeps. Just don't wonder why everybody hates you.
    , @Anonymous
    And sometimes bad women want to make a lot of money and/or certain political parties want to hurt someone who doesn't agree with them, so then this occurs to make said dissenter look like a scum bag since the ignorant assumption of the public is that a woman just couldn't possibly lie!
  5. Alex Jones says Bill is being persecuted now because he dared to air the black community’s dirty laundry, and says blacks need to get over their victim mentality and start taking responsibility and such. This, of course, does not sit well with Obama, Inc., and that is why these victims are coming out of the woodwork all of a sudden.

    FWIW.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Incidentally, this whole thing seems to have started a few weeks ago when some black comedian I'd never heard of said that Bill Cosby was a rapist on TV or in his act or something.
    , @Hare Krishna
    Jones is right.
    , @Hare Krishna
    Jones is right.
  6. “I guess America was ready for a happy, bourgeois, black family after some of the angrier black sitcom families of the ’70s.”

    JJ from 1970s “Good Times” didn’t come off as an angry Brotha. DY-NO-MITE. Neither did “Sanford And Son”.

    • Replies: @josh
    Apparently Jimmy Walker pissed off the rest of the cast who wanted to make an angrier show.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Not JJ, but his mother, sister, and father had their moments. And what about the lyrics to that theme song? True about Sanford & Son, I guess.
    , @Marty
    On the other hand, Demond Wilson was a very angry young man in real life.
  7. Do you know Cockroach?

  8. Bill Cosby maybe a womanizer, but at least he is not ghetto. I am sure if he is ever stopped by a Caucasian police officer, he would act a lot more civilized in front of the officer than Michael Brown did.

  9. @Jefferson
    "I guess America was ready for a happy, bourgeois, black family after some of the angrier black sitcom families of the ’70s."

    JJ from 1970s "Good Times" didn't come off as an angry Brotha. DY-NO-MITE. Neither did "Sanford And Son".

    Apparently Jimmy Walker pissed off the rest of the cast who wanted to make an angrier show.

  10. Cosby got good ratings partly because the mid to late 80s were some of the worst in TV history, so competition was weak.

    His show was #1 for many years, but here’s the year (85/86) when it put the most distance above #2-10:

    1. The Cosby Show
    2. Family Ties
    3. Murder, She Wrote
    4. 60 Minutes
    5. Cheers
    6. Dallas
    7. Dynasty
    8. The Golden Girls
    9. Miami Vice
    10. Who’s the Boss?

    Only Cheers and The Golden Girls are still widely aired on network television in syndication, and they’re the best of this list, but also have more mature themes, with one Golden Girl the constant butt of slut jokes, and Cheers being set in a bar.

    So while Cosby wasn’t that great, it was better than everything you could watch with young children, and even without them, it was the best thing on the night it aired.

    As far as lack of funny bits, there is something nice about watching a well-behaved and good natured family for 25 minutes. It isn’t just desire for magic negros by whites in the 80s. The Donna Reed Show the the 50′s and 60′s was officially a sitcom but really just a more extreme predecessor to Cosby.

    • Replies: @The Practical Conservative
    Interestingly, it's the germ of the "happy 50s housewife" meme, but the show itself was a flop when it initially aired and was mostly propped up by off-show musical fame in later seasons.
    , @Priss Factor
    "Cosby got good ratings partly because the mid to late 80s were some of the worst in TV history, so competition was weak."

    I love Family Ties. Fox vs Bateman was hilarious; rest not so good.
  11. @Lot
    Cosby got good ratings partly because the mid to late 80s were some of the worst in TV history, so competition was weak.

    His show was #1 for many years, but here's the year (85/86) when it put the most distance above #2-10:

    1. The Cosby Show
    2. Family Ties
    3. Murder, She Wrote
    4. 60 Minutes
    5. Cheers
    6. Dallas
    7. Dynasty
    8. The Golden Girls
    9. Miami Vice
    10. Who's the Boss?

    Only Cheers and The Golden Girls are still widely aired on network television in syndication, and they're the best of this list, but also have more mature themes, with one Golden Girl the constant butt of slut jokes, and Cheers being set in a bar.

    So while Cosby wasn't that great, it was better than everything you could watch with young children, and even without them, it was the best thing on the night it aired.

    As far as lack of funny bits, there is something nice about watching a well-behaved and good natured family for 25 minutes. It isn't just desire for magic negros by whites in the 80s. The Donna Reed Show the the 50's and 60's was officially a sitcom but really just a more extreme predecessor to Cosby.

    Interestingly, it’s the germ of the “happy 50s housewife” meme, but the show itself was a flop when it initially aired and was mostly propped up by off-show musical fame in later seasons.

    • Replies: @Lot

    Interestingly, it’s the germ of the “happy 50s housewife” meme, but the show itself was a flop when it initially aired and was mostly propped up by off-show musical fame in later seasons.
     
    I don't know if I buy that the Donna Reed Show was "propped up" by some minor teen idol record success. It had a long run, and was probably more profitable than high-budget Westerns that dominated the ratings back then.

    I liked it when I was a kid watching it in the 90's on Nick at Nite. I rewatched a couple episodes on youtube and it holds up really well. The complete lack of snark, the good morals of every character, and lack of pop culture jokes gives it a sort of wholesome, escapist, timeless quality.
  12. The current attack on Cosby is strikingly similar to the FBI’s attempt to silence Martin Luther King, Jr. by threatening to make public his kinky trysts with whores and married women.

    Such tactics are deplorable when employed by the right. Same tactics are heroic expressions of the underdog when employed by the left.

    • Replies: @James Kabala
    Is there any evidence that these accusations are politically motivated, or is that just your fantasy?
    , @Anonymous
    This is a carefully orchestrated tactic to ruin Bill Cosby because of the influence of his recent criticism of the black community. Someone clearly has an ax to grind. I do not find any of these womens accounts to be believable and their excuses for waiting eons to report it is utterly ridiculous. Let's say for one instance Bill WAS a womanizer ,even a "PERV" in the 70's. He had women throwing themselves at him, he wouldn't have had to drug & rape them.If YOU KNOW HOLLYWOOD , YOU"D KNOW THAT!
    For the bleeding hearts claiming "re victimization of these poor women" - A Lie is still a Lie No Matter How Many Times You Tell IT. Calling BLSHT on it isn't victimization.Isn't funny how bleeding hearts only come out when there's a political agenda? All the recent racial stirrings are smoke screens to keep us divided & distracted. STOP BEING A USEFUL IDIOT.
  13. What’s disturbing about the iSteve commentators taking Cosby’s side (or attributing this to some conspiracy to stop him from talking truth about the black community…not maybe what is more likely…that Cosby was playin’ us for fools…nothing like making white people like you and defend you when you talk like they want you to talk)

    Aren’t we HBD people here? Blacks do have higher violence…so this fits right in with that. Even when a black male can ‘copy’ the actions of a white person in a tv show…he’s still a black male.

    Also…doesn’t this fit in with what we know about Hollywood? Jews in Hollywood only choose gentiles who have a flaw…pedophilia, rape, interracial sex….The Jews do this in Hollywood so that they can control the person. It’s an entire career of blackmail. Actors and Actresses are flawed immoral people who are puppets controlled by their puppetmasters.

    There’s nothing about this that is even remotely Roissy-ish or a reason to put women down, or a reason to go into some big conspiracy.

    Cosby is a rapist, similar to the black guy who killed Hanna Graham. He’s just not powerful enough to be protected by Hollywood Big Wigs anymore.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I don't know whether he did or didn't rape those women, but I think it's suspect that 1) none of them reported it at the time, 2) the ones whose stories I heard willingly went to his home, alone, and 3) in at least one case, continued to spend time with him or travel with him afterwards.

    It's possible that he was a a typically sleazy showbiz guy using the prospect of fame to nail some young women, who later regretted having sex with him. That would explain why they didn't come forward in the past. But regret isn't rape. And the precedent of women waiting decades to make accusations of rape can lead to some obvious abuses.
    , @Priss Factor
    "Jews in Hollywood only choose gentiles who have a flaw…pedophilia, rape, interracial sex….The Jews do this in Hollywood so that they can control the person. "

    That's silly.

    So, what's Robert Redford's dark secret?

    , @FatDrunkAndStupid
    Or maybe it is just because none of the described incidents sound remotely like rape? Blacks statistically more prone to being violent yeah, but so what? The woman on CNN last night, her "rape" apparently consisted of him asking her to give him a blow job and her complying. Bill Cosby appears to be a scumbag for sure, preying on desperate unknown actresses with no hope of ever making it and making vague promises about helping their career in exchange for sexual favors. But is the casting couch something we've never heard of before? There is the novelty that these women were apparently too stupid to realize you are supposed to sleep with a casting agent, director, or producer if you want to have any hope of actual results, but otherwise this is typical Hollywood deviancy. Mothers warn their daughters about this sort of thing, it is something that is discussed by many successful female actresses in mainstream interviews as a pitfall to be avoided, It is such a well known meme that fake "casting couch" scenarios are even a sub genre of porn for crying out loud!
  14. Bill Cosby likes white women teehee.

  15. “Cosby got good ratings partly because the mid to late 80s were some of the worst in TV history, so competition was weak. ”

    Yeah 80s television went downhill fast after “Taxi”, “M.A.S.H”, “Three’s Company” and “Happy Days” were cancelled in the early 80s.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    "Yeah 80s television went downhill fast after “Taxi”, “M.A.S.H”, “Three’s Company” and “Happy Days” were cancelled in the early 80s."

    Three Company's the best.
  16. I just think it is sad that all of this started because he critiqued black culture. Even the critique was sometime ago.

    Some hack black comedian looking for a come up smears Cosby, then black media folks like Coates chime in to fan the flame and before you know it a lifetime of work is tarnished.

    The irony is as far as helping black people Cosby is probably the number 1 black celebrity. He has one of the worlds most extensive art collections, gave millions to black universities and scholarships and his show had an impact on race relations.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Jerrod Carmichael, in that HBO special I suggested everyone here watch, has a bit about how it's not that hard to be the greatest black person - [paraphrasing] "You guys just met me and I'm already number 11. Bill Cosby dies and I'm in the top 10."
  17. “may have discouraged other women from coming forward.”

    I think we discussed this at the time of the Letterman case – blackmail is not “coming forward.” Blackmail is NOT coming forward and then getting money out of it too. A blackmailer only goes public if he fails in his attempt to get the money. The blackmailer prefers for his mark’s bad deeds to go unpublicized. If they were publicly known, then there is nothing to get paid off about.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Sure, but you had to explain blackmail law to me about 3 times before I finally started to understand it. If I were some actress/model/whatever who heard about Cosby sending an accuser to prison for five years, how confident would I be that I understood the law well enough to risk accusing somebody who has that kind of power? Am I all that sure he really did put a Mickey Finn in my drink? Or maybe I just had too many drinks?

    What's going on now is that lots of these women are hearing each other accuse Cosby of putting something in their drinks, so that adds credibility to their suspicions that they didn't really drink that much. But that kind of thing can turn out very wrong, like UFO sightings build on drunk drivers' vague experiences, for which their reading about other drunk drivers' claims provides them a vocabulary of details to cite. So, I don't know. But that's why I think things like the blackmail incident and all the times he was on TV hanging out with Hef in the 1970s are moderately informative.
  18. @Shouting Thomas
    The current attack on Cosby is strikingly similar to the FBI's attempt to silence Martin Luther King, Jr. by threatening to make public his kinky trysts with whores and married women.

    Such tactics are deplorable when employed by the right. Same tactics are heroic expressions of the underdog when employed by the left.

    Is there any evidence that these accusations are politically motivated, or is that just your fantasy?

  19. @James Kabala
    "may have discouraged other women from coming forward."

    I think we discussed this at the time of the Letterman case - blackmail is not "coming forward." Blackmail is NOT coming forward and then getting money out of it too. A blackmailer only goes public if he fails in his attempt to get the money. The blackmailer prefers for his mark's bad deeds to go unpublicized. If they were publicly known, then there is nothing to get paid off about.

    Sure, but you had to explain blackmail law to me about 3 times before I finally started to understand it. If I were some actress/model/whatever who heard about Cosby sending an accuser to prison for five years, how confident would I be that I understood the law well enough to risk accusing somebody who has that kind of power? Am I all that sure he really did put a Mickey Finn in my drink? Or maybe I just had too many drinks?

    What’s going on now is that lots of these women are hearing each other accuse Cosby of putting something in their drinks, so that adds credibility to their suspicions that they didn’t really drink that much. But that kind of thing can turn out very wrong, like UFO sightings build on drunk drivers’ vague experiences, for which their reading about other drunk drivers’ claims provides them a vocabulary of details to cite. So, I don’t know. But that’s why I think things like the blackmail incident and all the times he was on TV hanging out with Hef in the 1970s are moderately informative.

    • Replies: @TWS
    Sure, but you had to explain blackmail law to me about 3 times before I finally started to understand it. If I were some actress/model/whatever who heard about Cosby sending an accuser to prison for five years, how confident would I be that I understood the law well enough to risk accusing somebody who has that kind of power? Am I all that sure he really did put a Mickey Finn in my drink? Or maybe I just had too many drinks?

    Steve, not everyone is as 'borderline aspie' as you are. You see the similarities and wonder why blackmail should be illegal when it is so much like accusing someone publicly of a crime. Nearly everyone else alive knows that it is illegal to privately accuse someone of illegalities or embarrassing behavior and privately ask for a payoff.

    Somebody getting prosecuted for clear blackmail doesn't have a 'chilling effect' on anything except more blackmail. So Cosby was a scummy horndog, okay granted. Now how many women did this reasonably attractive, wealthy, funny black guy sleep with? Who knows, hundreds maybe thousands. How many kids do those women have? Good solid reasons for Cosby not to put up with illegal extortion.

    If you were a woman who had been raped by someone you wouldn't be vague on the details of the incident and you'd have more interest in figuring out what your options are than if you were a blogger trying to muddle through it.

    I suppose prosecuting women for filing false rape charges will cut down on women filing rape charges (especially false rape charges) but that's not what happened here. Not even in the same ballpark.

    Is Cosby 'Roman Polanski'? No way of knowing now. But if there are women who are recent victims now would be the time for them to come forward.
    , @dcite
    UFOs are only seen by drunk drivers? "UFOs" have been seen by thousands upon thousands of people, I suspect very few of them drunk, and quite few were airline pilots and astronauts (hushed up mostly), so I certainly hope they weren't drunk. If I see a cow, don't try to tell me it's a kangaroo. I'd know the difference even if I were drunk.

    Cosby probably did exactly what the woman claims. Why do I think this? Because of who he is, and the fact that Nobody's aren't likely to challenge the various Goliaths unless they have real stones.
  20. @The Practical Conservative
    Interestingly, it's the germ of the "happy 50s housewife" meme, but the show itself was a flop when it initially aired and was mostly propped up by off-show musical fame in later seasons.

    Interestingly, it’s the germ of the “happy 50s housewife” meme, but the show itself was a flop when it initially aired and was mostly propped up by off-show musical fame in later seasons.

    I don’t know if I buy that the Donna Reed Show was “propped up” by some minor teen idol record success. It had a long run, and was probably more profitable than high-budget Westerns that dominated the ratings back then.

    I liked it when I was a kid watching it in the 90′s on Nick at Nite. I rewatched a couple episodes on youtube and it holds up really well. The complete lack of snark, the good morals of every character, and lack of pop culture jokes gives it a sort of wholesome, escapist, timeless quality.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I watched The Donna Reed Show and Father Knows Best a lot when I was about 6. I can remember more of the latter show, but I liked them both.
    , @The Practical Conservative
    Eh, it didn't even make the top 25 after its ratings improved until the very end of its run. It was simply not very successful or popular even with the boost from the musical hits.
  21. @Jefferson
    "I guess America was ready for a happy, bourgeois, black family after some of the angrier black sitcom families of the ’70s."

    JJ from 1970s "Good Times" didn't come off as an angry Brotha. DY-NO-MITE. Neither did "Sanford And Son".

    Not JJ, but his mother, sister, and father had their moments. And what about the lyrics to that theme song? True about Sanford & Son, I guess.

    • Replies: @IBC

    @Jefferson

    Not JJ, but his mother, sister, and father had their moments. And what about the lyrics to that theme song? True about Sanford & Son, I guess.
     
    Or the episode of Good Times where a neighborhood girl ( I think) played by Janet Jackson, was punished by her mother by being burned with an electric iron. That was pretty serious for a "sitcom."
    , @Gringo
    Jefferson

    JJ from 1970s “Good Times” didn’t come off as an angry Brotha. DY-NO-MITE. Neither did “Sanford And Son”.
     
    Dave Pinsen [in reply to Jefferson]

    Not JJ, but his mother, sister, and father had their moments. And what about the lyrics to that theme song? True about Sanford & Son, I guess.
     
    Red Foxx in the role of old man Sanford, also had his moments. I recall old man Sanford saying "There ain't nothing uglier than an old white woman." When I Googled the phrase, Sanford and Son turned up the first 5 hits.

    I wasn't offended by his saying it, because upon due reflection, it appeared to me that old black women do age better - not as many wrinkles, it seemed to me.
  22. @Ed
    I just think it is sad that all of this started because he critiqued black culture. Even the critique was sometime ago.

    Some hack black comedian looking for a come up smears Cosby, then black media folks like Coates chime in to fan the flame and before you know it a lifetime of work is tarnished.

    The irony is as far as helping black people Cosby is probably the number 1 black celebrity. He has one of the worlds most extensive art collections, gave millions to black universities and scholarships and his show had an impact on race relations.

    Jerrod Carmichael, in that HBO special I suggested everyone here watch, has a bit about how it’s not that hard to be the greatest black person – [paraphrasing] “You guys just met me and I’m already number 11. Bill Cosby dies and I’m in the top 10.”

  23. all the times he was on TV hanging out with Hef in the 1970s are moderately informative.

    My non-Cosby-Show memories of Cosby all involve the Fat Albert cartoon series, regularly shown in school, which took the Cosby Show’s bland moral instruction up several notches:

    The show features an educational lesson in each episode, emphasized by Cosby’s live-action segments. In addition, at the end of the early episodes, the gang typically gathers in their North Philadelphia junkyard to play a song on their cobbled-together instruments, summarizing the show’s lesson.

    My prejudice is thus strongly against the various floozies making these accusations against black Mr. Rogers. Also, when you do enough good in the world, a few peccadilloes ought to be ignored. Any dirt about Sharon, Lois & Bram ought to be kept on the ground too.

  24. @Robbie
    What's disturbing about the iSteve commentators taking Cosby’s side (or attributing this to some conspiracy to stop him from talking truth about the black community...not maybe what is more likely...that Cosby was playin' us for fools...nothing like making white people like you and defend you when you talk like they want you to talk)

    Aren’t we HBD people here? Blacks do have higher violence…so this fits right in with that. Even when a black male can ‘copy’ the actions of a white person in a tv show…he’s still a black male.

    Also…doesn’t this fit in with what we know about Hollywood? Jews in Hollywood only choose gentiles who have a flaw…pedophilia, rape, interracial sex….The Jews do this in Hollywood so that they can control the person. It’s an entire career of blackmail. Actors and Actresses are flawed immoral people who are puppets controlled by their puppetmasters.

    There’s nothing about this that is even remotely Roissy-ish or a reason to put women down, or a reason to go into some big conspiracy.

    Cosby is a rapist, similar to the black guy who killed Hanna Graham. He's just not powerful enough to be protected by Hollywood Big Wigs anymore.

    I don’t know whether he did or didn’t rape those women, but I think it’s suspect that 1) none of them reported it at the time, 2) the ones whose stories I heard willingly went to his home, alone, and 3) in at least one case, continued to spend time with him or travel with him afterwards.

    It’s possible that he was a a typically sleazy showbiz guy using the prospect of fame to nail some young women, who later regretted having sex with him. That would explain why they didn’t come forward in the past. But regret isn’t rape. And the precedent of women waiting decades to make accusations of rape can lead to some obvious abuses.

    • Replies: @Robbie
    I have 'willingly' gone to music/whatever teacher's homes. It's called coaching. I 'willingly' go to people's houses all the time for various projects and reasons.

    In highschool, I 'willingly' went to the homes of my teenage 18 year old male classmates to work on video projects and other reports for class. Same thing in college.

    You wake up with a splitting headache and sore around your vagina, with some white stuff on your legs....What the fuck are you going to do?

    Honestly, I probably would shut up too. Admitting you've been raped is pretty tough...I can't even imagine

    You're forgetting the drugging accusation...there's no 'sex regret' when you are unconscious

    These women all have the same story and drugs were involved

    So...you got a serial drugger on your hands...Much like I said above The Serial Killer of Hannah Graham

    The only thing different between the guy who killed Hannah and Cosby is the fact that Cosby got a few more IQ points so was able to do the crime better (and not kill them) and has been playing up the 'I'm the reasonable black guy' all these years
  25. @Lot

    Interestingly, it’s the germ of the “happy 50s housewife” meme, but the show itself was a flop when it initially aired and was mostly propped up by off-show musical fame in later seasons.
     
    I don't know if I buy that the Donna Reed Show was "propped up" by some minor teen idol record success. It had a long run, and was probably more profitable than high-budget Westerns that dominated the ratings back then.

    I liked it when I was a kid watching it in the 90's on Nick at Nite. I rewatched a couple episodes on youtube and it holds up really well. The complete lack of snark, the good morals of every character, and lack of pop culture jokes gives it a sort of wholesome, escapist, timeless quality.

    I watched The Donna Reed Show and Father Knows Best a lot when I was about 6. I can remember more of the latter show, but I liked them both.

    • Replies: @josh
    Donna Reed had one great asset,the wonderfully smarmy Bob Crane as wacky neighbor Dave Kelso. I wonder if Crane hung out with Cosby..
  26. Cosby didn’t rake anyone. It’s like with jameis winston- he doesn’t need to. He can get any girl he wants. These accuses are just looking for easy money and fame. Rape is a very real thing but it is not something successful attractive good men engage in

  27. The Janice Dickinson story sounds very believable. I can’t imagine so many of these women are making this up. Put me down for full on rapist….not philanthropist

    Do as Bill Cosby SAYS…..not as he DOES

  28. I would guess that blackmail is illigal to protect rich and powerfull people. To save them money and stress to pay off people that blackmail them. If someone has a dirty little secret then he has to sell it to the press or keep quiet. I guess they think that a lot of people with dirty secrets will just shut up.

  29. @Dave Pinsen
    I don't know whether he did or didn't rape those women, but I think it's suspect that 1) none of them reported it at the time, 2) the ones whose stories I heard willingly went to his home, alone, and 3) in at least one case, continued to spend time with him or travel with him afterwards.

    It's possible that he was a a typically sleazy showbiz guy using the prospect of fame to nail some young women, who later regretted having sex with him. That would explain why they didn't come forward in the past. But regret isn't rape. And the precedent of women waiting decades to make accusations of rape can lead to some obvious abuses.

    I have ‘willingly’ gone to music/whatever teacher’s homes. It’s called coaching. I ‘willingly’ go to people’s houses all the time for various projects and reasons.

    In highschool, I ‘willingly’ went to the homes of my teenage 18 year old male classmates to work on video projects and other reports for class. Same thing in college.

    You wake up with a splitting headache and sore around your vagina, with some white stuff on your legs….What the fuck are you going to do?

    Honestly, I probably would shut up too. Admitting you’ve been raped is pretty tough…I can’t even imagine

    You’re forgetting the drugging accusation…there’s no ‘sex regret’ when you are unconscious

    These women all have the same story and drugs were involved

    So…you got a serial drugger on your hands…Much like I said above The Serial Killer of Hannah Graham

    The only thing different between the guy who killed Hannah and Cosby is the fact that Cosby got a few more IQ points so was able to do the crime better (and not kill them) and has been playing up the ‘I’m the reasonable black guy’ all these years

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Sure, but as Steve mentioned above, lots of alleged UFO abductees tell similar stories. Doesn't mean they were abducted.

    And if Cosby did drug and rape you, the responsible thing was to report it immediately. If rape victim 1 does that, there may not be a rape victim 2.
    , @Anonymous

    You’re forgetting the drugging accusation…there’s no ‘sex regret’ when you are unconscious
     
    I seem to recall a standup bit Bill Cosby used to do c. 1970 about "Spanish Fly."
  30. For some reason, the commentators on Steve’s site have a problem between ‘Mr. Cosby The Character’ and ‘Mr. Cosby the Actual Human Being’

    You do realize that when he appears on tv he is ‘Acting as a Character’ right?

    That probably includes interviews as well. It’s called staying in Character.

    • Replies: @I, Libertine
    Quite right. People can't seem to get that Dr. Huxtable / Jello Pudding image out of their heads. He's a creep.

    Bob Culp knew what an angry guy he is, as another commenter has noted. And I'm surprised that nobody on this thread has mentioned the time he sucker punched Tom Smothers.

    Also, he fell hard for the Tawana Brawley hoax (or at least pretended to), which, to put it mildly, does not speak highly of him either way.

    The contrast here between the man and the image is enormous.
  31. Cosby was an American icon. A legend. But now his name will be dirt, like O.J. Simpson’s. Look how quickly legends become toast, e.g. Joe Paterno, whose transgression was order of magnitude less serious than rape or murder.

  32. Big Bill [AKA "The Shyster"] says:

    There should be a primer on how to extract money from a rapist like Cosby.

    First, do not approach the target yourself. Have a lawyer make the approach. Why? The lawyer will not make threats … or more accurately, the lawyer will make a legal threat as opposed to illegal threat.

    LEGAL THREAT: “Unless we settle this, my client will sue you”.

    ILLEGAL THREAT: “Unless you give me $XXX dollars I will tell everybody (and destroy your reputation)”.

    In both cases the real threat is the same: the target will be publicly exposed. In the first case, it is the LAW that does the exposing (complaint, interrogatories, depositions, all publicly available) as a natural and necessary part of the legal process.

    Second, when the target consults his own lawyer (in response to the letter he gets from your lawyer), it is his own lawyer that is going to tell him just how public, ugly and degrading a rape law suit will be, not you. With lawyers as the initial middlemen, the risk of being accused of blackmail virtually disappears. PRACTICE NOTE: If you make a threat of exposure [blackmail] and then contact a lawyer to take over, the courts can treat the lawsuit as a fulfillment of your blackmail threat.

    • Replies: @Oldeguy
    Thank you Mr. Shyster for clarifying how this is done. Do either a false claimant or her lawyer face any risk for unfounded allegations ?
    , @Lugash
    First, do not approach the target yourself. Have a lawyer make the approach. Why? The lawyer will not make threats … or more accurately, the lawyer will make a legal threat as opposed to illegal threat.

    So blackmail laws are rent seeking by lawyers. Like a lot of other laws.
  33. A few days ago again a asian looking person was pushed under the the train in the subway in NYC by a black perperator. Does anybody how many of thise cases (black pushung asian under the train) have happened in NYC and the USA in the last years?

  34. @Robbie
    I have 'willingly' gone to music/whatever teacher's homes. It's called coaching. I 'willingly' go to people's houses all the time for various projects and reasons.

    In highschool, I 'willingly' went to the homes of my teenage 18 year old male classmates to work on video projects and other reports for class. Same thing in college.

    You wake up with a splitting headache and sore around your vagina, with some white stuff on your legs....What the fuck are you going to do?

    Honestly, I probably would shut up too. Admitting you've been raped is pretty tough...I can't even imagine

    You're forgetting the drugging accusation...there's no 'sex regret' when you are unconscious

    These women all have the same story and drugs were involved

    So...you got a serial drugger on your hands...Much like I said above The Serial Killer of Hannah Graham

    The only thing different between the guy who killed Hannah and Cosby is the fact that Cosby got a few more IQ points so was able to do the crime better (and not kill them) and has been playing up the 'I'm the reasonable black guy' all these years

    Sure, but as Steve mentioned above, lots of alleged UFO abductees tell similar stories. Doesn’t mean they were abducted.

    And if Cosby did drug and rape you, the responsible thing was to report it immediately. If rape victim 1 does that, there may not be a rape victim 2.

  35. Lisa Bonet was hot and is still hot. She was on “New Girl” last night, looking as hot as ever.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    From an HBD standpoint, The Cosby Show was rather interesting, seeing as how we were supposed to believe that Bill Cosby and Phylicia Rashad were the parents of Lisa Bonet (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000956/) and Sabrina le Beauf (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0494058/). Or maybe we were supposed to figure that Claire was cuckolding Cliff with a White neighbor?
  36. @Lot
    Cosby got good ratings partly because the mid to late 80s were some of the worst in TV history, so competition was weak.

    His show was #1 for many years, but here's the year (85/86) when it put the most distance above #2-10:

    1. The Cosby Show
    2. Family Ties
    3. Murder, She Wrote
    4. 60 Minutes
    5. Cheers
    6. Dallas
    7. Dynasty
    8. The Golden Girls
    9. Miami Vice
    10. Who's the Boss?

    Only Cheers and The Golden Girls are still widely aired on network television in syndication, and they're the best of this list, but also have more mature themes, with one Golden Girl the constant butt of slut jokes, and Cheers being set in a bar.

    So while Cosby wasn't that great, it was better than everything you could watch with young children, and even without them, it was the best thing on the night it aired.

    As far as lack of funny bits, there is something nice about watching a well-behaved and good natured family for 25 minutes. It isn't just desire for magic negros by whites in the 80s. The Donna Reed Show the the 50's and 60's was officially a sitcom but really just a more extreme predecessor to Cosby.

    “Cosby got good ratings partly because the mid to late 80s were some of the worst in TV history, so competition was weak.”

    I love Family Ties. Fox vs Bateman was hilarious; rest not so good.

  37. @Jefferson
    "Cosby got good ratings partly because the mid to late 80s were some of the worst in TV history, so competition was weak. "

    Yeah 80s television went downhill fast after "Taxi", "M.A.S.H", "Three's Company" and "Happy Days" were cancelled in the early 80s.

    “Yeah 80s television went downhill fast after “Taxi”, “M.A.S.H”, “Three’s Company” and “Happy Days” were cancelled in the early 80s.”

    Three Company’s the best.

  38. When I was a kid in the late 70s/early 80s, the iconic black men in pop culture for our generation were Bill Cosby , Michael Jackson, and OJ Simpson. Looking at what we know now about these paragons it is maybe not surprising that my generation is starting to get a little cynical about race relations.

    • Replies: @Truth

    When I was a kid in the late 70s/early 80s, the iconic black men in pop culture for our generation were Bill Cosby , Michael Jackson, and OJ Simpson.
     
    You seem to have forgotten the most famous man in the world; then and probably still today.
  39. @Robbie
    I have 'willingly' gone to music/whatever teacher's homes. It's called coaching. I 'willingly' go to people's houses all the time for various projects and reasons.

    In highschool, I 'willingly' went to the homes of my teenage 18 year old male classmates to work on video projects and other reports for class. Same thing in college.

    You wake up with a splitting headache and sore around your vagina, with some white stuff on your legs....What the fuck are you going to do?

    Honestly, I probably would shut up too. Admitting you've been raped is pretty tough...I can't even imagine

    You're forgetting the drugging accusation...there's no 'sex regret' when you are unconscious

    These women all have the same story and drugs were involved

    So...you got a serial drugger on your hands...Much like I said above The Serial Killer of Hannah Graham

    The only thing different between the guy who killed Hannah and Cosby is the fact that Cosby got a few more IQ points so was able to do the crime better (and not kill them) and has been playing up the 'I'm the reasonable black guy' all these years

    You’re forgetting the drugging accusation…there’s no ‘sex regret’ when you are unconscious

    I seem to recall a standup bit Bill Cosby used to do c. 1970 about “Spanish Fly.”

  40. @Robbie
    What's disturbing about the iSteve commentators taking Cosby’s side (or attributing this to some conspiracy to stop him from talking truth about the black community...not maybe what is more likely...that Cosby was playin' us for fools...nothing like making white people like you and defend you when you talk like they want you to talk)

    Aren’t we HBD people here? Blacks do have higher violence…so this fits right in with that. Even when a black male can ‘copy’ the actions of a white person in a tv show…he’s still a black male.

    Also…doesn’t this fit in with what we know about Hollywood? Jews in Hollywood only choose gentiles who have a flaw…pedophilia, rape, interracial sex….The Jews do this in Hollywood so that they can control the person. It’s an entire career of blackmail. Actors and Actresses are flawed immoral people who are puppets controlled by their puppetmasters.

    There’s nothing about this that is even remotely Roissy-ish or a reason to put women down, or a reason to go into some big conspiracy.

    Cosby is a rapist, similar to the black guy who killed Hanna Graham. He's just not powerful enough to be protected by Hollywood Big Wigs anymore.

    “Jews in Hollywood only choose gentiles who have a flaw…pedophilia, rape, interracial sex….The Jews do this in Hollywood so that they can control the person. ”

    That’s silly.

    So, what’s Robert Redford’s dark secret?

    • Replies: @BehindTheLines
    Redford has secretly been a member of the John Birch Society all this time.
  41. Funny how Hollywood circled the wagons around Bryan Singer but is leaving Cosby to twist in the wind.

    These Cosby rape stories have been floating around for years. I think there IS fire at the base of this smoke.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CB8Q3ywwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D493pL_Vbtnc&ei=VaNsVM-oPIyeNtDxgCA&usg=AFQjCNHJGspJCFDSVapP3F8EI6LdC69dgg&sig2=08Z5CaDoPYFSodJDcKIINg

  42. If you want money, do it like the accuser of Michael Jackson.

    Accuse and sue, make it public. Then negotiate a settlement.

    In the case of Letterman, what he did was unethical but not illegal or criminal. So, blackmail was the only way to get money from him.

    ——

    Cosby: America’s Bad.

  43. But then the Jello Pudding commercials rebuilt his popularity on the basis of avuncularity, from which he segued into his immensely popular 1980s sitcom (which I didn’t find hilarious).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0aKNwsrtXw (especially 4:42-5:03)

  44. On the other hand, I know a fellow who played a minor recurring character on the 1980s sitcom. He’s a good guy and he looks up to “Mr. Cosby” as a role model. So, the reality, whatever it was, is complicated.

    Us low-key nerdy guys who can’t easily deploy an array of personae depending on who we’re dealing with often have trouble understanding that most successful men are quite adept at this. And they don’t always use this ability for noble ends.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Or perhaps Cosby behaved differently and thought differently about life at age 50 than he did at age 36.
  45. Does anybody argue the case for blackmail? Besides libertarians?

    Suppose a prominent public figure gets hint that a person has sensitive information about him. Does this public figure not have the right to bribe this person into keeping quiet?

    The most famous defender I can of is Walter Block

    http://www.walterblock.com/wp-content/uploads/publications/crimeofblackmail.htm

  46. @Dave Pinsen
    Not JJ, but his mother, sister, and father had their moments. And what about the lyrics to that theme song? True about Sanford & Son, I guess.

    Not JJ, but his mother, sister, and father had their moments. And what about the lyrics to that theme song? True about Sanford & Son, I guess.

    Or the episode of Good Times where a neighborhood girl ( I think) played by Janet Jackson, was punished by her mother by being burned with an electric iron. That was pretty serious for a “sitcom.”

  47. Here’s Ken Levine responding to a question about the Cosby Show:

    THE COSBY SHOW was one of the most influential television programs in the history of the medium. At the time it premiered in 1984 there was a lot of talk that sitcoms were an endangered species. That one show changed everything. The ratings were spectacular and no show in today’s landscape will ever have the impact THE COSBY SHOW had. CHEERS and FAMILY TIES only became smash hits because they followed THE COSBY SHOW.

    Creatively, however, I don’t think THE COSBY SHOW aged well. And it’s not just because of those sweaters. In fairness, the first year was wonderful. Funny, fresh, and with attitudes that were real. And it had one of the best pilots ever. I show it to my USC Comedy class every semester.

    But as the series progressed and Bill assumed more creative control the show became way more preachy. Scripts were routinely just thrown out by Bill so the poor writing staff was churning out material night and day. Not surprisingly, he would burn them out. And the end result reflected that. Some terrific writers were reduced to galley slaves. So you never got the advantage of seeing them at their best.

    Today the show feels dated and somewhat overbearing. But again, give it its due. THE COSBY SHOW must go down as one of the greatest shows in the history of TV.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    One of the greatest shows in television history?

    No, don't think so.

    All we have to do is ask him this question: If the Cosby show were about a WHITE family, would he still feel this way? In other words, an updated version of Father Knows Best transported to the 80's. Would Levine think that Father Knows Best is among TV's all time greats? And of course whites like him wanted so much to believe the myth of the solidly middle class black family who underneath it all is really just like them.

    Have to give Norman Lear credit on this one: He's consistent in his loony leftism. When asked on Arsenio Hall's show some twenty yrs ago he said straight up "The Cosby Show isn't based in reality for the vast majority of blacks."
  48. The woman in that ’90s case was convicted in July 1997, only a few months after Ennis Cosby, Bill’s only son, was shot to death during a robbery attempt. She had faxed him an extortion threat on the very day of the murder. No doubt the jury was swayed by sympathy for a man still in grief, as well as disgust toward an obviously money-hungry woman.

  49. @Seth Largo
    Lisa Bonet was hot and is still hot. She was on "New Girl" last night, looking as hot as ever.

    From an HBD standpoint, The Cosby Show was rather interesting, seeing as how we were supposed to believe that Bill Cosby and Phylicia Rashad were the parents of Lisa Bonet (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000956/) and Sabrina le Beauf (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0494058/). Or maybe we were supposed to figure that Claire was cuckolding Cliff with a White neighbor?

  50. @Big Bill
    There should be a primer on how to extract money from a rapist like Cosby.

    First, do not approach the target yourself. Have a lawyer make the approach. Why? The lawyer will not make threats ... or more accurately, the lawyer will make a legal threat as opposed to illegal threat.

    LEGAL THREAT: "Unless we settle this, my client will sue you".

    ILLEGAL THREAT: "Unless you give me $XXX dollars I will tell everybody (and destroy your reputation)".

    In both cases the real threat is the same: the target will be publicly exposed. In the first case, it is the LAW that does the exposing (complaint, interrogatories, depositions, all publicly available) as a natural and necessary part of the legal process.

    Second, when the target consults his own lawyer (in response to the letter he gets from your lawyer), it is his own lawyer that is going to tell him just how public, ugly and degrading a rape law suit will be, not you. With lawyers as the initial middlemen, the risk of being accused of blackmail virtually disappears. PRACTICE NOTE: If you make a threat of exposure [blackmail] and then contact a lawyer to take over, the courts can treat the lawsuit as a fulfillment of your blackmail threat.

    Thank you Mr. Shyster for clarifying how this is done. Do either a false claimant or her lawyer face any risk for unfounded allegations ?

  51. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I can’t see what these by-now middle aged women such as Janice Dickinson have to gain by coming out now or how they would all be involved in a conspiracy to take down the lovable Mr Huxtable. He’s an over the hill actor and isn’t running for office. Oh yeah, he made some speeches putting himself on a pedestal so therefore he’s being targeted by the illuminati. Sandusky had been getting away with what he was doing for his entire life before he was caught up with. The dam just breaks at some point. There’s a long term pattern going back decades that’s there if one looks back on it.
    Cosby conceded that Autumn Jackson might have been his biological daughter. Her blackmail consisted of threatening to out him as her father unless he paid up. He should have done a paternity test and if she really was his daughter then the wealthy Cosby should have acknowledged her and paid her plenty to make up for his worthlessness as an absentee father (admittedly her asking price was rather steep). How many men out there would have their biological daughter sent to prison for 26 months in order to shut them up and get them out of the picture? America’s greatest dad would.
    As a star he probably could have had his hands full with potential girlfriends. Yet he seems to have liked to assault unconscious people. That’s rape and rape of a kinky sort. He’s an actor and actors aren’t the role they play which is something many people haven’t gotten through their heads.

    • Replies: @DissidentMan

    As a star he probably could have had his hands full with potential girlfriends. Yet he seems to have liked to assault unconscious people. That’s rape and rape of a kinky sort. He’s an actor and actors aren’t the role they play which is something many people haven’t gotten through their heads.
     
    Yes, it's a possibility that he simply gets off on rape. Paul Bernardo (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo) was like that. It's also possible that, for Cosby, he had an enormous sense of entitlement and sleeping pills + rape was a plan B that he employed whenever the women he was alone with didn't show immediate sexual interest.
  52. Unless the women went to the police, I am extremely skeptical of any rape claims.

    • Replies: @Flip
    In fact, you could argue (although I don't quite get there) that not going to the police after a supposed rape is a form of implied consent. Regret is not rape.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Unless the women went to the police, I am extremely skeptical of any rape claims.

     

    What if the woman is raped by the police?

    Which reminds me… A few years ago when New York removed the statute of limitations from rape charges, did anyone think to ask the state's US Senator how her life might be different had, say, Winthrop Rockefeller or Orval Faubus signed a similar law decades earlier?

  53. @syonredux
    Here's Ken Levine responding to a question about the Cosby Show:

    THE COSBY SHOW was one of the most influential television programs in the history of the medium. At the time it premiered in 1984 there was a lot of talk that sitcoms were an endangered species. That one show changed everything. The ratings were spectacular and no show in today’s landscape will ever have the impact THE COSBY SHOW had. CHEERS and FAMILY TIES only became smash hits because they followed THE COSBY SHOW.

    Creatively, however, I don’t think THE COSBY SHOW aged well. And it’s not just because of those sweaters. In fairness, the first year was wonderful. Funny, fresh, and with attitudes that were real. And it had one of the best pilots ever. I show it to my USC Comedy class every semester.

    But as the series progressed and Bill assumed more creative control the show became way more preachy. Scripts were routinely just thrown out by Bill so the poor writing staff was churning out material night and day. Not surprisingly, he would burn them out. And the end result reflected that. Some terrific writers were reduced to galley slaves. So you never got the advantage of seeing them at their best.

    Today the show feels dated and somewhat overbearing. But again, give it its due. THE COSBY SHOW must go down as one of the greatest shows in the history of TV.
     

    One of the greatest shows in television history?

    No, don’t think so.

    All we have to do is ask him this question: If the Cosby show were about a WHITE family, would he still feel this way? In other words, an updated version of Father Knows Best transported to the 80′s. Would Levine think that Father Knows Best is among TV’s all time greats? And of course whites like him wanted so much to believe the myth of the solidly middle class black family who underneath it all is really just like them.

    Have to give Norman Lear credit on this one: He’s consistent in his loony leftism. When asked on Arsenio Hall’s show some twenty yrs ago he said straight up “The Cosby Show isn’t based in reality for the vast majority of blacks.”

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Well, remember Levine's caveats regarding the show:

    Creatively, however, I don’t think THE COSBY SHOW aged well. And it’s not just because of those sweaters. In fairness, the first year was wonderful. Funny, fresh, and with attitudes that were real. And it had one of the best pilots ever. I show it to my USC Comedy class every semester.

    But as the series progressed and Bill assumed more creative control the show became way more preachy. Scripts were routinely just thrown out by Bill so the poor writing staff was churning out material night and day. Not surprisingly, he would burn them out. And the end result reflected that. Some terrific writers were reduced to galley slaves. So you never got the advantage of seeing them at their best.
     
  54. Here’s the thing regarding blackmail. If a woman gets pregnant and wants a payout (e.g. she’ll abort the fetus in exchange for a five or six figure out of court settlement) all she has to do is go to a judge and demand that the person takes a blood test.

    That may be blackmail, but its also 100% legal. He then is up a creek and over a barrel. What can he do? Either way he’s stuck. It’s either 18 yrs of child support or agree to pay a one time out of court settlement and in exchange she agrees to get an abortion.

    So in a sense there is such a thing as legal blackmail.

    Steve, I think its such a shock that Bill Cosby could be a potential sexual harasser is largely due to his carefully crafted image. On one level, Cosby’s no different than Bob Hope. Most people that remember him saw his NBC few times a year specials, entertaining the troops with the USO, good works, golf tournament. Then, there’s the other side. Groucho’s son Arthur wrote an expose about Bob Hope regarding his legendary womanizing. Granted, Arthur was Groucho’s son, but that doesn’t mean his ulterior motive for writing the book makes him a liar regarding what he wrote about Bob Hope. If only 10% of the book is true…that’s more than enough to shatter the carefully crafted image of good guy Bob Hope.

    For Bill Cosby its much the same thing. Just enough truth that the image of America’s Dad worked. His stalled career was revived first with Fat Albert show, then Jello, then Picture Page for kids. He has consciously marketed himself to kids for decades. For the most part, he doesn’t do a blue show. The image is largely pure and wholesome.

    Also, being a black entertainer, there simply aren’t that many family friendly and wholesome acts to go around, with a long marriage, college educated, etc.

    No one would blink twice if instead of Bill Cosby hanging out at the Playboy Club it was Eddie Murphy instead.

    No one would be surprised if it was Richard Pryor (sixth grade dropout with no father) being accused of sexual harassment.

    Who would be amazed if it was Redd Foxx (no father, jailbird and inmate friend of Malcolm X at one time) who was accused of having a kid out of wedlock.

    So with Cosby, there may have been enough truth in the image to make it plausible, plus the fact that he played along and consciously marketed himself to white America (unlike Pryor or Foxx), but what people tend to forget is that at the end of the day, it was still just an image and one based on a lot of hokum as well.

    Suppose he’s guilty of what the recent DC Post subject claims vs him? Against Dave Chappelle, no one would turn a hair. But America’s Dad, which carried a lot of weight for several decades?

    Not too good.

  55. @Dave Pinsen
    Not JJ, but his mother, sister, and father had their moments. And what about the lyrics to that theme song? True about Sanford & Son, I guess.

    Jefferson

    JJ from 1970s “Good Times” didn’t come off as an angry Brotha. DY-NO-MITE. Neither did “Sanford And Son”.

    Dave Pinsen [in reply to Jefferson]

    Not JJ, but his mother, sister, and father had their moments. And what about the lyrics to that theme song? True about Sanford & Son, I guess.

    Red Foxx in the role of old man Sanford, also had his moments. I recall old man Sanford saying “There ain’t nothing uglier than an old white woman.” When I Googled the phrase, Sanford and Son turned up the first 5 hits.

    I wasn’t offended by his saying it, because upon due reflection, it appeared to me that old black women do age better – not as many wrinkles, it seemed to me.

  56. “Anonymous says:

    I seem to recall a standup bit Bill Cosby used to do c. 1970 about “Spanish Fly.””

    Yes, I vaguely recall that too.

  57. “Let’s! says:

    “”On the other hand, I know a fellow who played a minor recurring character on the 1980s sitcom. He’s a good guy and he looks up to “Mr. Cosby” as a role model. So, the reality, whatever it was, is complicated.””

    Us low-key nerdy guys who can’t easily deploy an array of personae depending on who we’re dealing with often have trouble understanding that most successful men are quite adept at this. And they don’t always use this ability for noble ends.”

    This is true. A lot of people spend a lot of time figuring out how to seem some particular way so as to influence others in the pursuit of thier own interests.

  58. @Steve Sailer
    Sure, but you had to explain blackmail law to me about 3 times before I finally started to understand it. If I were some actress/model/whatever who heard about Cosby sending an accuser to prison for five years, how confident would I be that I understood the law well enough to risk accusing somebody who has that kind of power? Am I all that sure he really did put a Mickey Finn in my drink? Or maybe I just had too many drinks?

    What's going on now is that lots of these women are hearing each other accuse Cosby of putting something in their drinks, so that adds credibility to their suspicions that they didn't really drink that much. But that kind of thing can turn out very wrong, like UFO sightings build on drunk drivers' vague experiences, for which their reading about other drunk drivers' claims provides them a vocabulary of details to cite. So, I don't know. But that's why I think things like the blackmail incident and all the times he was on TV hanging out with Hef in the 1970s are moderately informative.

    Sure, but you had to explain blackmail law to me about 3 times before I finally started to understand it. If I were some actress/model/whatever who heard about Cosby sending an accuser to prison for five years, how confident would I be that I understood the law well enough to risk accusing somebody who has that kind of power? Am I all that sure he really did put a Mickey Finn in my drink? Or maybe I just had too many drinks?

    Steve, not everyone is as ‘borderline aspie’ as you are. You see the similarities and wonder why blackmail should be illegal when it is so much like accusing someone publicly of a crime. Nearly everyone else alive knows that it is illegal to privately accuse someone of illegalities or embarrassing behavior and privately ask for a payoff.

    Somebody getting prosecuted for clear blackmail doesn’t have a ‘chilling effect’ on anything except more blackmail. So Cosby was a scummy horndog, okay granted. Now how many women did this reasonably attractive, wealthy, funny black guy sleep with? Who knows, hundreds maybe thousands. How many kids do those women have? Good solid reasons for Cosby not to put up with illegal extortion.

    If you were a woman who had been raped by someone you wouldn’t be vague on the details of the incident and you’d have more interest in figuring out what your options are than if you were a blogger trying to muddle through it.

    I suppose prosecuting women for filing false rape charges will cut down on women filing rape charges (especially false rape charges) but that’s not what happened here. Not even in the same ballpark.

    Is Cosby ‘Roman Polanski’? No way of knowing now. But if there are women who are recent victims now would be the time for them to come forward.

  59. OT: Steve, you really should do a piece on the FIDE World Chess Championship:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/anand-set-up-a-beautiful-checkmate-in-game-8-of-the-world-chess-championship-but-couldnt-pull-it-off-2014-11

    It’s going on right now in — (you guessed it!!) — Sochi. Of all of the glamorous and accessible places that FIDE could have chosen – they selected Sochi.

    It’s a 43 year-old Indian versus a 25 year-old Norwegian.

    FIDE is run by a very shady Central Asian, pro-Putin puppet by the name of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov. He’s quite a character, somewhat reminiscent of Ramzan Kadyrov. FIDE models itself on FIFA, but is run in quite an opaque manner.

    • Replies: @keypusher
    It’s going on right now in — (you guessed it!!) — Sochi. Of all of the glamorous and accessible places that FIDE could have chosen – they selected Sochi.

    They selected a place that was willing to put up money. Chess isn't exactly spectator-friendly, and it misses the Cold War.

    FIDE models itself on FIFA, but is run in quite an opaque manner.

    Why is there a "but" in that sentence?
  60. @Big Bill
    There should be a primer on how to extract money from a rapist like Cosby.

    First, do not approach the target yourself. Have a lawyer make the approach. Why? The lawyer will not make threats ... or more accurately, the lawyer will make a legal threat as opposed to illegal threat.

    LEGAL THREAT: "Unless we settle this, my client will sue you".

    ILLEGAL THREAT: "Unless you give me $XXX dollars I will tell everybody (and destroy your reputation)".

    In both cases the real threat is the same: the target will be publicly exposed. In the first case, it is the LAW that does the exposing (complaint, interrogatories, depositions, all publicly available) as a natural and necessary part of the legal process.

    Second, when the target consults his own lawyer (in response to the letter he gets from your lawyer), it is his own lawyer that is going to tell him just how public, ugly and degrading a rape law suit will be, not you. With lawyers as the initial middlemen, the risk of being accused of blackmail virtually disappears. PRACTICE NOTE: If you make a threat of exposure [blackmail] and then contact a lawyer to take over, the courts can treat the lawsuit as a fulfillment of your blackmail threat.

    First, do not approach the target yourself. Have a lawyer make the approach. Why? The lawyer will not make threats … or more accurately, the lawyer will make a legal threat as opposed to illegal threat.

    So blackmail laws are rent seeking by lawyers. Like a lot of other laws.

  61. @grey enlightenment
    You know it's blackmail when these 'victims' go to the media and their lawyer instead of the police.

    Cosby would have been acquainted with Autumn Jackson’s mother ca. 1973. If these other incidents occurred in that era, prosecution of Cosby would be time-barred in all but a few jurisdictions, even if the woman in question was below the age of consent.

  62. @Let's!

    On the other hand, I know a fellow who played a minor recurring character on the 1980s sitcom. He’s a good guy and he looks up to “Mr. Cosby” as a role model. So, the reality, whatever it was, is complicated.
     
    Us low-key nerdy guys who can't easily deploy an array of personae depending on who we're dealing with often have trouble understanding that most successful men are quite adept at this. And they don't always use this ability for noble ends.

    Or perhaps Cosby behaved differently and thought differently about life at age 50 than he did at age 36.

  63. I think these rape accusations are being dredged up again by the left in a pre-emptive attempt to silence Cosby before he goes on another “POUND CAKE” type of diatribe against the black community. If his reputation is tarnished it guess less weight to his criticisms of black parents who pay $250 for Nike sneakers but won’t buy a copy of “Hooked on Phonics.”

    Cosby seems to drop all pretense and go on these no-hold-barred rants every 5-6 years, and in doing so he really angers the left more than anything that could come out of the mouth of Sarah Palin. The left seems to think that as long as prominent African Americans don’t “air out the dirty laundry” of the black community that society won’t somehow realize that blacks aren’t helping themselves and will continue buying in to the victim narrative.

  64. TMZ.com is, by some accounts, a blackmail/extortion racket. Defamatory stories of celebrities are withheld in exchange for preferential access. Justin Bieber’s PR people claim that the recently revealed video evidence of his proclivity towards racial epithets (the kind that are epithets only when white folk utter them) was something TMZ had in its possession for years, and repeatedly threatened to release unless special favors were granted.

    The humdrum Showtime series “Ray Donovan”, featuring that quintessentially Irish actor Liev Schreiber (or so Hollywood casting directors would have us believe), has these and other Anthony Pellicano kinds of shenanigans as a running theme.

  65. Bill Cosby’s most damaging relationship was the one he had with Mrs. Huxtable on the Cosby show. While outwardly flattering and sympathetic to Afro-Americans, it also reminded them that the the vast majority had families that resembled something quite different. The public image of the Huxtable’s was like rubbing salt into the eyes of black single baby mamas.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    While outwardly flattering and sympathetic to Afro-Americans, it also reminded them that the the vast majority had families that resembled something quite different. The public image of the Huxtable’s was like rubbing salt into the eyes of black single baby mama

    The professional-managerial bourgeoisie make up about 13% of the workforce and those among them with a large mess of children are not typically dual career couples (and certainly not dual career couples without domestic help). In truth, very few people of any description in any era had a family like the Huxtables in schematic outline (and fewer still had a such a family conjoined to such a dearth of intramural conflict).

    , @map
    The Cosby Show was a mind-weapon aimed at white people. It was not meant to be a role model for blacks.
  66. I think it’s pretty certain that blackmail became a crime under the English common law because only the upper classes were ever on the receiving end of such demands. Remember that in England even truthful statements could be libelous–same deal. But I don’t recall any cases where members of the upper class were prosecuted for blackmailing their peers….Alexander Pope took large bribes for not publishing satirical poems about the aristocracy, and sometimes published them anyway.

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    The English tabloid press 200 years ago made big bucks publishing divorce trial booklets. They would collect the lurid trial testimony of whores, lovers, madams, pimps, servants and everyone else and publish it, complete with tacky illustrations of the husband e.g. ripping the bodice of a swooning chambermaid. Divorce was only permitted for infidelity and violent abuse, so the booklets had plenty of juicy trial detail to print. Likewise with celebrated murder trials.
  67. Steve,

    Have you been following the Darren Sharper case? The preliminary hearing has been delayed by his attorneys repeatedly but is now scheduled for December 5 in the downtown LA criminal court building.

    Sharper, a former NFL all-star and NFL Network talking head, is accused by multiple women of drugging and raping them.

  68. @Dave Pinsen
    The popularity of the Cosby Show was interesting because not only wasn't it funny, but it didn't really try to be. There were no Threes Company-style crazy set-ups for hilarity to ensue. It was the jello pudding of sitcoms, but I guess America was ready for a happy, bourgeois, black family after some of the angrier black sitcom families of the '70s.

    As for Cosby's rape accusers, there seems to be a common thread in reactions to their stories and the #shirtstorm kerfuffle: the infantilization of women. Those who ask why an accuser didn't go to the police at the time, and instead continued to consort with Cosby, are told, "she was only 19!", as if it's outrageous to expect an adult woman to report a crime.

    I guess America was ready for a happy, bourgeois, black family after some of the angrier black sitcom families of the ’70s.

    Top black comedians and comic actors ca. 1975 included (in addition to Cosby) Nipsey Russell, Sherman Hemsley, Esther Rolle, Flip Wilson, John Amos, Isabel Sanford, Jimmie Walker, Redd Foxx, deMond Wilson, and Dick Gregory. I think Dick Gregory had a mess of mordant political humor incorporated into his act and Robert Culp once said that off-stage, Bill Cosby ca. 1966 was ‘the angriest man alive’. Sherman Hemsley played a parody of an angry black man; John Amos’ grumpy paterfamilias was strictly in bounds. These people were not trading in anger.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Hold on, hold it. In the 70s mainsteam TV, these guys weren't full blown Malcolm X rebels either.

    You'd have to go for blaxploitation flicks (e.g. Shaft) to get a more accurate depiction of the angry black men.

    Helmsley, Amos, etc were all "whitewashed" or whitened up for national public consumption, but at least in the 70s it conveyed a sense of what lurked beneath the surface in black community at large.

    By the 80s mainstream US didn't care and certainly didn't want to know much less see the reality.
  69. @Prof. Woland
    Bill Cosby's most damaging relationship was the one he had with Mrs. Huxtable on the Cosby show. While outwardly flattering and sympathetic to Afro-Americans, it also reminded them that the the vast majority had families that resembled something quite different. The public image of the Huxtable's was like rubbing salt into the eyes of black single baby mamas.

    While outwardly flattering and sympathetic to Afro-Americans, it also reminded them that the the vast majority had families that resembled something quite different. The public image of the Huxtable’s was like rubbing salt into the eyes of black single baby mama

    The professional-managerial bourgeoisie make up about 13% of the workforce and those among them with a large mess of children are not typically dual career couples (and certainly not dual career couples without domestic help). In truth, very few people of any description in any era had a family like the Huxtables in schematic outline (and fewer still had a such a family conjoined to such a dearth of intramural conflict).

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    How about we just start with families where the children were born in wedlock and the biological father was present in their lives?
    , @Hard Line Realist
    What you talkin' 'bout, Willis?
  70. @Jefferson
    "I guess America was ready for a happy, bourgeois, black family after some of the angrier black sitcom families of the ’70s."

    JJ from 1970s "Good Times" didn't come off as an angry Brotha. DY-NO-MITE. Neither did "Sanford And Son".

    On the other hand, Demond Wilson was a very angry young man in real life.

  71. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    One of the greatest shows in television history?

    No, don't think so.

    All we have to do is ask him this question: If the Cosby show were about a WHITE family, would he still feel this way? In other words, an updated version of Father Knows Best transported to the 80's. Would Levine think that Father Knows Best is among TV's all time greats? And of course whites like him wanted so much to believe the myth of the solidly middle class black family who underneath it all is really just like them.

    Have to give Norman Lear credit on this one: He's consistent in his loony leftism. When asked on Arsenio Hall's show some twenty yrs ago he said straight up "The Cosby Show isn't based in reality for the vast majority of blacks."

    Well, remember Levine’s caveats regarding the show:

    Creatively, however, I don’t think THE COSBY SHOW aged well. And it’s not just because of those sweaters. In fairness, the first year was wonderful. Funny, fresh, and with attitudes that were real. And it had one of the best pilots ever. I show it to my USC Comedy class every semester.

    But as the series progressed and Bill assumed more creative control the show became way more preachy. Scripts were routinely just thrown out by Bill so the poor writing staff was churning out material night and day. Not surprisingly, he would burn them out. And the end result reflected that. Some terrific writers were reduced to galley slaves. So you never got the advantage of seeing them at their best.

  72. @Art Deco
    I guess America was ready for a happy, bourgeois, black family after some of the angrier black sitcom families of the ’70s.

    Top black comedians and comic actors ca. 1975 included (in addition to Cosby) Nipsey Russell, Sherman Hemsley, Esther Rolle, Flip Wilson, John Amos, Isabel Sanford, Jimmie Walker, Redd Foxx, deMond Wilson, and Dick Gregory. I think Dick Gregory had a mess of mordant political humor incorporated into his act and Robert Culp once said that off-stage, Bill Cosby ca. 1966 was 'the angriest man alive'. Sherman Hemsley played a parody of an angry black man; John Amos' grumpy paterfamilias was strictly in bounds. These people were not trading in anger.

    Hold on, hold it. In the 70s mainsteam TV, these guys weren’t full blown Malcolm X rebels either.

    You’d have to go for blaxploitation flicks (e.g. Shaft) to get a more accurate depiction of the angry black men.

    Helmsley, Amos, etc were all “whitewashed” or whitened up for national public consumption, but at least in the 70s it conveyed a sense of what lurked beneath the surface in black community at large.

    By the 80s mainstream US didn’t care and certainly didn’t want to know much less see the reality.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    You’d have to go for blaxploitation flicks (e.g. Shaft) to get a more accurate depiction of the angry black men.

    Helmsley, Amos, etc were all “whitewashed” or whitened up for national public consumption, but at least in the 70s it conveyed a sense of what lurked beneath the surface in black community at large.



    You're not from around here, are you? There are many things you might call a portrayal of a private investigator in a film, but 'accurate' is not one. John Amos played a standard-issue working-class black man; the domestic configuration of the fictional 'Evans' household was more local to 1955 than 1975 (when black family life was rapidly taking on the mix-and-match patchwork character it has today), but it was not rare in 1975. As for Hemsley, the whole point of his character (in contrast to that of Isabel Sanford) was that he had not acquired and would not acquire the manners of the others in his social class.
    , @Art Deco
    By the 80s mainstream US didn’t care and certainly didn’t want to know much less see the reality.

    People were perfectly familiar with the 'reality' in 1984, and commonly subscribed to lurid distortions of it, as they do in these comboxes.
  73. I can’t credit Levine’s contention that “Cheers” owed its popularity to following “Cosby.” I knew a Jewish guy, now a big-time tax lawyer, who was gaga for Cheers in 1982, two years before Cosby debuted.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    I can’t credit Levine’s contention that “Cheers” owed its popularity to following “Cosby.” I knew a Jewish guy, now a big-time tax lawyer, who was gaga for Cheers in 1982, two years before Cosby debuted.
     
    Cheers was popular with the critics and the more discerning elements of the mass audience, but it was not a hit in its first season:

    After premiering on September 30, 1982, it was nearly canceled during its first season when it ranked last in ratings for its premiere (74th out of 77 shows).
     
    Season 2 (September 29, 1983 May 10, 1984): ranked 35

    Season 3(September 27, 1984 May 9, 1985):ranked 12

    Season 4 (September 26, 1985 May 15, 1986): ranked 5

    Cosby Show season 1 (September 20, 1984 May 9, 1985): ranked 3


    Cosby Show Season 2 (September 26, 1985 May 15, 1986): ranked 1

    With the Cosby Show lead-in, Cheers went from #35th to #12th in its third season

    , @josh
    Was he frum?
  74. Cosby and Letterman are apples and oranges.

    I only remember Cosby on his comedy records, telling stories about how his father would beat him with big belts. He seemed to relish describing enormous, leather things with holes and hooks. It was odd. And this man has held himself up as an expert on parenting…?

    I believe the accusations against Cosby. They’ve been in the air for decades.

    Letterman, on the other hand, is an honest broker. He was really funny when he was younger. Some girls just liked fooling around with him. He’s like a big teenager in some ways.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    Letterman is pretty much an asshole. His audience knows he's an asshole. That's why he was able to turn the tables on his blackmailer - he knew his audience wouldn't care whom he was shagging behind the scenes because they probably expected it. And yet it still seems to have taken a toll on his ratings, and ad revenues for the show were down by over $50 million/year from 2009 to 2013. Even Jimmy Kimmel routinely beats Letterman's ratings, and Fallon is just thrashing him. Letterman's designated replacement, Stephen Colbert, may be a bit smarter and a bit more of a family values type, but he's every bit the asshole that Letterman is. Why CBS didn't select Craig Ferguson for the gig is beyond comprehension.
  75. One of these dames insisted he molested her in 1985 (she was 17), another in 1982 (she was 27), and another in 1969. At least one is pushing the line that he ruined her life. Contemporaneous documentation which would allow him to refute any of these charges is likely lost. Caveat lector.

  76. @Anonymous
    I can't credit Levine's contention that "Cheers" owed its popularity to following "Cosby." I knew a Jewish guy, now a big-time tax lawyer, who was gaga for Cheers in 1982, two years before Cosby debuted.

    I can’t credit Levine’s contention that “Cheers” owed its popularity to following “Cosby.” I knew a Jewish guy, now a big-time tax lawyer, who was gaga for Cheers in 1982, two years before Cosby debuted.

    Cheers was popular with the critics and the more discerning elements of the mass audience, but it was not a hit in its first season:

    After premiering on September 30, 1982, it was nearly canceled during its first season when it ranked last in ratings for its premiere (74th out of 77 shows).

    Season 2 (September 29, 1983 May 10, 1984): ranked 35

    Season 3(September 27, 1984 May 9, 1985):ranked 12

    Season 4 (September 26, 1985 May 15, 1986): ranked 5

    Cosby Show season 1 (September 20, 1984 May 9, 1985): ranked 3

    Cosby Show Season 2 (September 26, 1985 May 15, 1986): ranked 1

    With the Cosby Show lead-in, Cheers went from #35th to #12th in its third season

  77. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Hold on, hold it. In the 70s mainsteam TV, these guys weren't full blown Malcolm X rebels either.

    You'd have to go for blaxploitation flicks (e.g. Shaft) to get a more accurate depiction of the angry black men.

    Helmsley, Amos, etc were all "whitewashed" or whitened up for national public consumption, but at least in the 70s it conveyed a sense of what lurked beneath the surface in black community at large.

    By the 80s mainstream US didn't care and certainly didn't want to know much less see the reality.

    You’d have to go for blaxploitation flicks (e.g. Shaft) to get a more accurate depiction of the angry black men.

    Helmsley, Amos, etc were all “whitewashed” or whitened up for national public consumption, but at least in the 70s it conveyed a sense of what lurked beneath the surface in black community at large.

    You’re not from around here, are you? There are many things you might call a portrayal of a private investigator in a film, but ‘accurate’ is not one. John Amos played a standard-issue working-class black man; the domestic configuration of the fictional ‘Evans’ household was more local to 1955 than 1975 (when black family life was rapidly taking on the mix-and-match patchwork character it has today), but it was not rare in 1975. As for Hemsley, the whole point of his character (in contrast to that of Isabel Sanford) was that he had not acquired and would not acquire the manners of the others in his social class.

  78. As for Cosby’s character, I never really believed the America’s Dad stuff because I could remember him hanging out at the Playboy Mansion for what seemed like most of the 1970s.

    My memories of specific episodes are hazy, but my vague impression of “The Bill Cosby Show” from 1969-71 was that nearly every single episode I saw seemed to revolve around Cosby’s character trying to go on a date with some woman whose dress seemed to be missing quite a bit of material. Weren’t both lead characters on I Spy depicted as mild skirt-chasers, too (in the reserved, gentlemanly fashion permitted on television at the time)?

    Also, the “Cosby never worked blue” meme doesn’t jibe with my memories.

    In his “Seattle” routine, he made several (somewhat tame by modern standards, but still very knowing) references to porno flicks and Spanish Fly. Supposedly he mentions the same stuff in other routines I haven’t heard.

  79. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Hold on, hold it. In the 70s mainsteam TV, these guys weren't full blown Malcolm X rebels either.

    You'd have to go for blaxploitation flicks (e.g. Shaft) to get a more accurate depiction of the angry black men.

    Helmsley, Amos, etc were all "whitewashed" or whitened up for national public consumption, but at least in the 70s it conveyed a sense of what lurked beneath the surface in black community at large.

    By the 80s mainstream US didn't care and certainly didn't want to know much less see the reality.

    By the 80s mainstream US didn’t care and certainly didn’t want to know much less see the reality.

    People were perfectly familiar with the ‘reality’ in 1984, and commonly subscribed to lurid distortions of it, as they do in these comboxes.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    It was most definitely NOT shown on Network TV during the 80s, therefore, white US mainstream preferred such noble illusions as the Cosby Show and other mythic characters (e.g. Urkel, Tootie, etc) namely, those "whitened up for mass consumption" characters.

    Name Urkel's counterpart in the black community. By and large, you can't. It doesn't exist now and certainly didn't exist then. Funny, how like, 90% of the writers for these black shows of the 70s and early 80s tended to be white. Just saying. Hm...so of course white writers (a bit on the nerdy side to begin with) would tend to relate to created characters of a nerd, they just decided to make him black in one instance. Cause white nerds were a dime a dozen in popular culture when they were shown at all.

    AND...let us not forget the most famous of shows that was whitened up for mass consumption...Diff'rent Strokes! Of course! Cute little Gary, and "what'chu talkin' bout, Willis?" Awww, cutesy wootsie Gary Coleman with those cheeky pouty dimples, who could forget?

    And the white millionaire and his family taking Arnold and bro' Willis in, to help show them the ways of Park Avenue (white man's world) and of course, they being from Harlem (da 'hood) showing him that it DOES take Diff'rent Strokes....to rule the world!

    Whitewashing for middle class whites to help assuage their consciences cause they didn't want to know about the realities and preferred to watch the myth of the enlightened one (and now they've had the opportunity to vote for the enlightened one, cause they saw his 80s TV counterpart, Urkel.)

    Notice: Revenge of the Nerds was all white? Notice: The Big Bang doesn't tend to have any blacks? Perhaps a guest star but not really much at all? See the pattern? Notice the trend?

    And that's what we're talkin' bout.

  80. @Camlost
    OT: Steve, you really should do a piece on the FIDE World Chess Championship:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/anand-set-up-a-beautiful-checkmate-in-game-8-of-the-world-chess-championship-but-couldnt-pull-it-off-2014-11

    It's going on right now in -- (you guessed it!!) -- Sochi. Of all of the glamorous and accessible places that FIDE could have chosen - they selected Sochi.

    It's a 43 year-old Indian versus a 25 year-old Norwegian.

    FIDE is run by a very shady Central Asian, pro-Putin puppet by the name of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov. He's quite a character, somewhat reminiscent of Ramzan Kadyrov. FIDE models itself on FIFA, but is run in quite an opaque manner.

    It’s going on right now in — (you guessed it!!) — Sochi. Of all of the glamorous and accessible places that FIDE could have chosen – they selected Sochi.

    They selected a place that was willing to put up money. Chess isn’t exactly spectator-friendly, and it misses the Cold War.

    FIDE models itself on FIFA, but is run in quite an opaque manner.

    Why is there a “but” in that sentence?

  81. @Steve Sailer
    I watched The Donna Reed Show and Father Knows Best a lot when I was about 6. I can remember more of the latter show, but I liked them both.

    Donna Reed had one great asset,the wonderfully smarmy Bob Crane as wacky neighbor Dave Kelso. I wonder if Crane hung out with Cosby..

  82. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Shouting Thomas
    The current attack on Cosby is strikingly similar to the FBI's attempt to silence Martin Luther King, Jr. by threatening to make public his kinky trysts with whores and married women.

    Such tactics are deplorable when employed by the right. Same tactics are heroic expressions of the underdog when employed by the left.

    This is a carefully orchestrated tactic to ruin Bill Cosby because of the influence of his recent criticism of the black community. Someone clearly has an ax to grind. I do not find any of these womens accounts to be believable and their excuses for waiting eons to report it is utterly ridiculous. Let’s say for one instance Bill WAS a womanizer ,even a “PERV” in the 70′s. He had women throwing themselves at him, he wouldn’t have had to drug & rape them.If YOU KNOW HOLLYWOOD , YOU”D KNOW THAT!
    For the bleeding hearts claiming “re victimization of these poor women” – A Lie is still a Lie No Matter How Many Times You Tell IT. Calling BLSHT on it isn’t victimization.Isn’t funny how bleeding hearts only come out when there’s a political agenda? All the recent racial stirrings are smoke screens to keep us divided & distracted. STOP BEING A USEFUL IDIOT.

    • Replies: @Robbie
    I think your a useful idiot. It's like the Muslims raping the white girls in England. For some unknown reason, this guy raped a bunch of your women....

    Yet. You. Don't. Care.

    You choose to side with the black guy.
    , @Big Bill

    He had women throwing themselves at him, he wouldn’t have had to drug & rape them
     
    It was 1969, a year after "Soul on Ice", Eldridge Cleaver's ode to raping white girls as a way to get back at the white man. What better way to cause the white man pain than degrade, use, and subjugate his women?

    Cosby wasn't looking for romance or a wife. He was and is race loyal and race true. He was looking for a series of white sperm receptacles.

    Susan Brownmiller was quite clear in her book and interviews where her "rape=power, not sex" thesis came from: Eldridge Cleaver.
  83. @Robbie
    What's disturbing about the iSteve commentators taking Cosby’s side (or attributing this to some conspiracy to stop him from talking truth about the black community...not maybe what is more likely...that Cosby was playin' us for fools...nothing like making white people like you and defend you when you talk like they want you to talk)

    Aren’t we HBD people here? Blacks do have higher violence…so this fits right in with that. Even when a black male can ‘copy’ the actions of a white person in a tv show…he’s still a black male.

    Also…doesn’t this fit in with what we know about Hollywood? Jews in Hollywood only choose gentiles who have a flaw…pedophilia, rape, interracial sex….The Jews do this in Hollywood so that they can control the person. It’s an entire career of blackmail. Actors and Actresses are flawed immoral people who are puppets controlled by their puppetmasters.

    There’s nothing about this that is even remotely Roissy-ish or a reason to put women down, or a reason to go into some big conspiracy.

    Cosby is a rapist, similar to the black guy who killed Hanna Graham. He's just not powerful enough to be protected by Hollywood Big Wigs anymore.

    Or maybe it is just because none of the described incidents sound remotely like rape? Blacks statistically more prone to being violent yeah, but so what? The woman on CNN last night, her “rape” apparently consisted of him asking her to give him a blow job and her complying. Bill Cosby appears to be a scumbag for sure, preying on desperate unknown actresses with no hope of ever making it and making vague promises about helping their career in exchange for sexual favors. But is the casting couch something we’ve never heard of before? There is the novelty that these women were apparently too stupid to realize you are supposed to sleep with a casting agent, director, or producer if you want to have any hope of actual results, but otherwise this is typical Hollywood deviancy. Mothers warn their daughters about this sort of thing, it is something that is discussed by many successful female actresses in mainstream interviews as a pitfall to be avoided, It is such a well known meme that fake “casting couch” scenarios are even a sub genre of porn for crying out loud!

  84. Re Cosby as angry he had some kind of scuffle with Tommy Smothers at the Mansion.

  85. @Art Deco
    While outwardly flattering and sympathetic to Afro-Americans, it also reminded them that the the vast majority had families that resembled something quite different. The public image of the Huxtable’s was like rubbing salt into the eyes of black single baby mama

    The professional-managerial bourgeoisie make up about 13% of the workforce and those among them with a large mess of children are not typically dual career couples (and certainly not dual career couples without domestic help). In truth, very few people of any description in any era had a family like the Huxtables in schematic outline (and fewer still had a such a family conjoined to such a dearth of intramural conflict).

    How about we just start with families where the children were born in wedlock and the biological father was present in their lives?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Well, we could. That was normal for black households in 1955 and atypical but not unusual in 1985. I think you've got a 20% shot in this day and age.
  86. There is simply no good defense for being called a pervert. I would think .. .why should he? A star can mostly get all the women he wants.

    And the girls who have second thoughts … they may be sincere, but rape is a very serious crime and requires a high standard of proof.

    Meanwhile … the very charge is impossible to erase. He goes down as maybe a pervert. What a shame if he is innocent. Or 1/2 guilty.

    • Replies: @anon

    A star can mostly get all the women he wants.
     
    You don't get it. He's getting off to raping. Sex ain't fungible for these types-- casual vanilla sex counts as nothing more than masturbation, perhaps even less.
  87. @Anonymous
    I can't credit Levine's contention that "Cheers" owed its popularity to following "Cosby." I knew a Jewish guy, now a big-time tax lawyer, who was gaga for Cheers in 1982, two years before Cosby debuted.

    Was he frum?

    • Replies: @breeze
    I don't know a Frum. The guy I mention had a license plate "Spar-T"
  88. This is why societies USED to have strong libel laws, and guys fought duels to protect their honor. You got a big block of idiots who believe ANY accusation or smear. “Where there’s smoke there’s fire” they nod sagely.

    Or they say “Why would they lie?” I don’t know why. Maybe, revenge, craziness, a desire for 2 minutes of fame, who knows. Women have accused innocent men of rape for no other reason then they were embarrassed or annoyed at them. Lack of a reasonable motive has never stopped anyone from doing bad things.

    A better question. Why now? Why wait years, and years and years? Not to mention faded memories and confusing events in their heads. Were they really drugged or did they just have one too many, have sex, and had trouble remembering it. No one filed charges. Several continued seeing Mr. Cosby after they were “raped”.

  89. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I have no idea as to whether Cosby is guilty or not. Is there precedence for a “star” preferring to drug women and rape/molest them when presumably they would have no trouble bedding women by the hundreds without the use of drugs? Having sex with an unconscious partner doesn’t seem very appealing to me, it’s warm necrophilia!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It would be unusual. Not quite Jerry Sandusky odd (you'll notice that nobody has managed to discover another Sandusky in 3 years of trying), but strange, especially in somebody who has managed to maintain a busy career for such a long time without, so far as I know, any kind of mental breakdown. Did Cosby ever go through an alcoholic phase and then go to rehab? His career had ups and downs, so maybe, but I never heard of one.
    , @HA
    "Having sex with an unconscious partner doesn’t seem very appealing to me,..."


    On the contrary, I suspect that having sex without a near-knockout dose of alcohol /cannabis/coke/heroin/amyl/... would have seemed downright unthinkable for many in the 60's and 70's (and, let's not kid ourselves, in every decade since), regardless of how famous or desirable the man happens to be.
  90. Does anybody how many of these cases (black pushing Asian under the train) have happened in NYC and the USA in the last years?

    I suppose the NYPD would know how many such cases have occurred in NYC, but choose not to make an issue of it. It seems to be homeless/deranged blacks who do this.

    I recall old man Sanford saying “There ain’t nothing uglier than an old white woman.”

    He had a lot worse to say to his Aunt Esther, such as, “I’m going to press your face into some dough and make gorilla cookies.”

    Maybe Cosby’s routine about Spanish Fly gives us an insight into his fantasies, just as the movie “Manhattan” gave us an insight into Woody Allen’s.

    Speaking of blackmail, what happened with the masseuse, Molly Hagerty, who claimed Al Gore demanded a hand job? Tipper divorced him around that time, which may lend the story credibility. One wonders if Gore didn’t pay Hagerty off to shut her up. Two other masseuses made similar accustaions.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Tipper divorced him around that time, which may lend the story credibility.

    I think they were just separated; Tipper has a paramour. One of their daughters is divorced. Another has been separated from her husband for a number of years. Their son has a history of drug charges and odd reckless behavior and is still in school at age 31. Except for junior's high school pot bust (which the media decorously covered up), they seemed like a fairly orderly and agreeable bunch 15 years ago. Now they look like a train wreck.

  91. I just can’t even begin to see the argument that Cosby isn’t guilty of these crimes given the evidence, and I’m astonished Steve would lend it even a shred of credibility.

    To begin with, what do the women who are now accusing him of rape stand to gain by doing so? They can’t be blackmailing him, because, to restate the earlier point, they are making the charges public.

    And consider the sheer quantity of women who have come forward — over a dozen by now, I gather, and presumably all or most of them had a real connection to him. Can anybody think of a like case of so many people making such accusations with little or nothing to gain by doing so? I don’t exactly see the UFO as similar, because all kinds of things can seem like UFOs, but very few things seem like going unconscious after a single drink and then waking up with semen on your panties–and you’re not accusing someone of a crime when you claim to have seen a UFO.

    What strikes me as the interesting angle on this case is how and why it didn’t become a big deal until just recently. I do think that identity politics has everything to do with why Cosby was so much protected before, and why he is being abandoned now. Earlier, he traded on his iconic status as America’s best black dad (identity politics), but now he is being abandoned because he has railed too long about the responsibility blacks have for their own circumstances (new, enhanced identity politics). Also, the precipitating event of the current outrage was that he was pilloried by another black comic for being a rapist, which offered cover for whites who would attack Cosby for his unwelcome politics (more new, enhanced identity politics).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "very few things seem like going unconscious after a single drink"

    Other than going unconscious after eight drinks. Our culture very recently has decided that it's empowering for women to drink so much they can't remember much the next morning, but that they also should get society to step in and symbolically rectify anything that they later regret might have happened during the period they can't remember.

    , @Anonymous
    > They can’t be blackmailing him, because, to restate the earlier point, they are making the charges public.

    Attention, money (from media, or accused et. al. not-to-damage accused's image *anymore*). Maybe they aren't blackmailing him, but they blackmailed him already and he did not pay, or paid some but they kept blackmailing, and this is just delivering on the threats of disclosure. And again attention, it deserves another mention. Or just proclaiming to herself or to others that she used to screw celebrities. Some may be bandwagoning. Some of the accusers may be not-right in the head in many different ways (mythomania, erotomania, munchausen syndrome, ...). There are quite some possibilities.
  92. @flip
    Unless the women went to the police, I am extremely skeptical of any rape claims.

    In fact, you could argue (although I don’t quite get there) that not going to the police after a supposed rape is a form of implied consent. Regret is not rape.

  93. The drug and rape thing is a very white crime. Surprising to see Crosby go for it, if he did.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    "The drug and rape thing is a very white crime."

    Is former NFL all star Darren Sharper white?
  94. @Anonymous
    This is a carefully orchestrated tactic to ruin Bill Cosby because of the influence of his recent criticism of the black community. Someone clearly has an ax to grind. I do not find any of these womens accounts to be believable and their excuses for waiting eons to report it is utterly ridiculous. Let's say for one instance Bill WAS a womanizer ,even a "PERV" in the 70's. He had women throwing themselves at him, he wouldn't have had to drug & rape them.If YOU KNOW HOLLYWOOD , YOU"D KNOW THAT!
    For the bleeding hearts claiming "re victimization of these poor women" - A Lie is still a Lie No Matter How Many Times You Tell IT. Calling BLSHT on it isn't victimization.Isn't funny how bleeding hearts only come out when there's a political agenda? All the recent racial stirrings are smoke screens to keep us divided & distracted. STOP BEING A USEFUL IDIOT.

    I think your a useful idiot. It’s like the Muslims raping the white girls in England. For some unknown reason, this guy raped a bunch of your women….

    Yet. You. Don’t. Care.

    You choose to side with the black guy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I don't care that they're white women. Am I supposed to? In my mind, what separates me from blacks is precisely that I don't engage in racial solidarity. If I saw two white guys beating up a black guy (granted, doesn't happen), I''d intervene to help the black guy, whereas I know they wouldn't do the same for me. And you know what? If any of these white women saw me in a fight with anyone non-white, they'd tell the cops I was at fault, even if they had no idea. And if they saw me so much as raise my voice to a woman, they'd immediately gang up on me, and I'm not even a Herb, but a good-looking ex-jock. My guess about these women is that they're low status among women. - i.e. they don't have jobs in law, real-estate, PR, casting, or run a temp agency. So they need identities in the new gynocracy they didn't know expect to develop, and being a rape victim is the ticket to identity among other women.
  95. A former Maryland prosecutor has just told the Washington Post how in 2005 he declined to prosecute Bill Cosby for rape even though “I thought he did it.” The ex-DA said something like “I would have gotten a lot of publicity by charging Bill Cosby.”

    Maybe so, but Bill Cosby whatever you think about him does not qualify as Tom Wolfe’s Great White Defendant.

  96. @Robbie
    For some reason, the commentators on Steve's site have a problem between 'Mr. Cosby The Character' and 'Mr. Cosby the Actual Human Being'

    You do realize that when he appears on tv he is 'Acting as a Character' right?

    That probably includes interviews as well. It's called staying in Character.

    Quite right. People can’t seem to get that Dr. Huxtable / Jello Pudding image out of their heads. He’s a creep.

    Bob Culp knew what an angry guy he is, as another commenter has noted. And I’m surprised that nobody on this thread has mentioned the time he sucker punched Tom Smothers.

    Also, he fell hard for the Tawana Brawley hoax (or at least pretended to), which, to put it mildly, does not speak highly of him either way.

    The contrast here between the man and the image is enormous.

  97. I always thought of blackmail as an ex post facto negotiation of a, yet unsigned, non-disclosure agreement. But I’m not a lawyer, so I must be wrong.

  98. @Art Deco
    While outwardly flattering and sympathetic to Afro-Americans, it also reminded them that the the vast majority had families that resembled something quite different. The public image of the Huxtable’s was like rubbing salt into the eyes of black single baby mama

    The professional-managerial bourgeoisie make up about 13% of the workforce and those among them with a large mess of children are not typically dual career couples (and certainly not dual career couples without domestic help). In truth, very few people of any description in any era had a family like the Huxtables in schematic outline (and fewer still had a such a family conjoined to such a dearth of intramural conflict).

    What you talkin’ ’bout, Willis?

  99. @candid_observer
    I just can't even begin to see the argument that Cosby isn't guilty of these crimes given the evidence, and I'm astonished Steve would lend it even a shred of credibility.

    To begin with, what do the women who are now accusing him of rape stand to gain by doing so? They can't be blackmailing him, because, to restate the earlier point, they are making the charges public.

    And consider the sheer quantity of women who have come forward -- over a dozen by now, I gather, and presumably all or most of them had a real connection to him. Can anybody think of a like case of so many people making such accusations with little or nothing to gain by doing so? I don't exactly see the UFO as similar, because all kinds of things can seem like UFOs, but very few things seem like going unconscious after a single drink and then waking up with semen on your panties--and you're not accusing someone of a crime when you claim to have seen a UFO.

    What strikes me as the interesting angle on this case is how and why it didn't become a big deal until just recently. I do think that identity politics has everything to do with why Cosby was so much protected before, and why he is being abandoned now. Earlier, he traded on his iconic status as America's best black dad (identity politics), but now he is being abandoned because he has railed too long about the responsibility blacks have for their own circumstances (new, enhanced identity politics). Also, the precipitating event of the current outrage was that he was pilloried by another black comic for being a rapist, which offered cover for whites who would attack Cosby for his unwelcome politics (more new, enhanced identity politics).

    “very few things seem like going unconscious after a single drink”

    Other than going unconscious after eight drinks. Our culture very recently has decided that it’s empowering for women to drink so much they can’t remember much the next morning, but that they also should get society to step in and symbolically rectify anything that they later regret might have happened during the period they can’t remember.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    "Other than going unconscious after eight drinks."

    I don't think there are very many people who go unconscious after eight drinks who remember taking only one (or two) drinks--virtually all realize that they drank way, way too much.

    Of course, one might, many years after the fact, choose to go hazy on these details, if one is inclined for very compelling psychological reasons to believe otherwise. But numbers matter. I just very much doubt that one is going to encounter over a dozen women, all or most of whom presumably had a real connection to Cosby, and so aren't just random nut cases, lying to themselves and others about what really went on decades ago, and accusing him of a despicable crime. One I could see, or two, maybe three -- and I've heard of plausible cases of that. But over a dozen?
  100. I think part of the reason why Cosby is getting some attention is because of the similar flame out of the CBC’s public radio host Jian Ghomeshi. Usually Canadian events don’t affect the US, but Ghomeshi’s show Q is widely rebroadcast on NPR and it is basically the same where there’s smoke there’s fire story, including that rumours had been going around for years.

  101. @Anonymous
    I have no idea as to whether Cosby is guilty or not. Is there precedence for a "star" preferring to drug women and rape/molest them when presumably they would have no trouble bedding women by the hundreds without the use of drugs? Having sex with an unconscious partner doesn't seem very appealing to me, it's warm necrophilia!

    It would be unusual. Not quite Jerry Sandusky odd (you’ll notice that nobody has managed to discover another Sandusky in 3 years of trying), but strange, especially in somebody who has managed to maintain a busy career for such a long time without, so far as I know, any kind of mental breakdown. Did Cosby ever go through an alcoholic phase and then go to rehab? His career had ups and downs, so maybe, but I never heard of one.

  102. @josh
    Was he frum?

    I don’t know a Frum. The guy I mention had a license plate “Spar-T”

  103. I met and had a friendly talk with a man (& his wife) who worked on the crew of two NBC shows shot in NYC. One of the shows was the Cosby Show. He despised Cosby saying he was the most racist person he ever met. At some point he demanded that all the white crew members be replaced by blacks only to have the Union say no. However he hated Lorne Michaels more.

    I liked Cosby as a kid, but once I grew up I just found him dull.

    • Replies: @Rapparee
    Could be. As Chris Rock says, "Nobody more racist than a old black man".
  104. Did any of his accusers ever go to an emergency room the next day and get a blood test so we would know what drug this was?

  105. The problem with all of the comments about Bill Cosby, including mine, is that none of us have any direct personal knowledge about what actually happened. We are all engaging in speculation. But we all have commonsense as well. Men who like to enjoy the charms of many ladies usually have a “bit” they play to pick up the ladies. In Hollywood that bit frequently involves the “promise” of a gig, the possibility of a part in a show, the promise of an introduction, the promise of photo shoot. Not to over generalize, but it is also fair to say that Hollywood actress types tend to be insecure. They are always fearful about how they look and about their image. The insecurity stems from the fact that in Hollywood there are no real “rules” for casting. Ultimately success or failure in Hollywood depends on the whim or fancy of producers, directors or whoever is handling casting.

    Which gets to Mr. Cosby. All of these stories sound like classic casting couch hanky-panky. It sounds like Mr. Cosby’s bit for young actress types is the “promise” of parts, introductions, referrals in exchange for a little private pleasure. Couple the “promise” of Hollywood goodies and the insecurity of a young actress and you get this: 30 year old rape accusations. Why? The young actress traded some quid for a pro quo that never happened. The insecure actress of course would not make an accusation 30 years ago because that could threaten a career. She knew that she needed to spend time on other casting couches. She didn’t want to be the one to spill at age 19 the secret of how to get ahead in Hollywood. 30 years later, however, you can call what we might consider the “breach of contract” “rape.” Why? Years of anger and resentment. Growing self-confidence with age. An understanding now that the great sounding deal from when you were 19 was really exploitation.

    Is it blackmail? Not really. Perhaps call it the market correction for a systematic breach of contract.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I wasn't prostituting myself for a part, I was a victim!

    Could be ...

    , @Art Deco
    Good point. It would explain why there were never any repercussions at the time. They come forward now because they sound more credible in company.
  106. @Steve Sailer
    "very few things seem like going unconscious after a single drink"

    Other than going unconscious after eight drinks. Our culture very recently has decided that it's empowering for women to drink so much they can't remember much the next morning, but that they also should get society to step in and symbolically rectify anything that they later regret might have happened during the period they can't remember.

    “Other than going unconscious after eight drinks.”

    I don’t think there are very many people who go unconscious after eight drinks who remember taking only one (or two) drinks–virtually all realize that they drank way, way too much.

    Of course, one might, many years after the fact, choose to go hazy on these details, if one is inclined for very compelling psychological reasons to believe otherwise. But numbers matter. I just very much doubt that one is going to encounter over a dozen women, all or most of whom presumably had a real connection to Cosby, and so aren’t just random nut cases, lying to themselves and others about what really went on decades ago, and accusing him of a despicable crime. One I could see, or two, maybe three — and I’ve heard of plausible cases of that. But over a dozen?

    • Replies: @Dahlia
    But then there's Andrea Constand the basketball player who looks so...virginal. And non-Hollywood. Especially non-Hollywood.
    I showed that picture of her by the ledge and my husband let out some sound that was horror, disgust, and shock all mixed together.
    Not to be dismissive of the others in any way, but that one was like beating a little puppy. Yet, she was the most fearless of the bunch for reasons Steve and any halfway astute person can figure out.
    See Daily Mail Andrea Constand

    Gen Xer here. All that pre-Cosby show stuff was news to me.
    , @The Practical Conservative
    Women go unconscious after eight drinks with some frequency if they are given to enthusiastic binge drinking at nightclubs and bars and private parties where men can give them a leg up in their careers. And they pretty much always say they only had one or two drinks, they can hold their liquor normally, that night (they blacked out) was different, it had to be roofies, etc, etc.
  107. Mike Zwick [AKA "Dahinda"] says:

    “But then the Jello Pudding commercials rebuilt his popularity on the basis of avuncularity, from which he segued into his immensely popular 1980s sitcom (which I didn’t find hilarious).”
    Actually the HBO special “Bill Cosby – Himself,” that was shown over and over on HBO in the very early 80′s, was what brought him back. The first season of The Cosby Show was loosely based on the content of that special.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tf1K1P2Skw

  108. @Harry Huntington
    The problem with all of the comments about Bill Cosby, including mine, is that none of us have any direct personal knowledge about what actually happened. We are all engaging in speculation. But we all have commonsense as well. Men who like to enjoy the charms of many ladies usually have a "bit" they play to pick up the ladies. In Hollywood that bit frequently involves the "promise" of a gig, the possibility of a part in a show, the promise of an introduction, the promise of photo shoot. Not to over generalize, but it is also fair to say that Hollywood actress types tend to be insecure. They are always fearful about how they look and about their image. The insecurity stems from the fact that in Hollywood there are no real "rules" for casting. Ultimately success or failure in Hollywood depends on the whim or fancy of producers, directors or whoever is handling casting.

    Which gets to Mr. Cosby. All of these stories sound like classic casting couch hanky-panky. It sounds like Mr. Cosby's bit for young actress types is the "promise" of parts, introductions, referrals in exchange for a little private pleasure. Couple the "promise" of Hollywood goodies and the insecurity of a young actress and you get this: 30 year old rape accusations. Why? The young actress traded some quid for a pro quo that never happened. The insecure actress of course would not make an accusation 30 years ago because that could threaten a career. She knew that she needed to spend time on other casting couches. She didn't want to be the one to spill at age 19 the secret of how to get ahead in Hollywood. 30 years later, however, you can call what we might consider the "breach of contract" "rape." Why? Years of anger and resentment. Growing self-confidence with age. An understanding now that the great sounding deal from when you were 19 was really exploitation.

    Is it blackmail? Not really. Perhaps call it the market correction for a systematic breach of contract.

    I wasn’t prostituting myself for a part, I was a victim!

    Could be …

    • Replies: @Steven Wilson
    Humor and anger are related. One way to look at this relationship:
    Anger acted out is violence.
    Anger turned inward is depression.
    Anger turned sideways=humor.
    I'm seldom surprised by what comedians d. Their humor springs from something.
    And very often I think their routines are telling exactly why they are angry and what that anger springs from. This is related to kidding on the square. No matter how insulting a remark between friends, there are those who think that "Just kidding. Can't you take a joke?" is the universal get out of jail card.

    Pure verbal humor may be exempt from these rules but I'm not even sure about that.

    As far as the assertion that wildly/wealthy/ popular popular guys/men have all the women they want and don't have to resort to rape or other machinations to get what they want.
    If what they want is kinky they may have to. If they want someone to give in for reasons other than mutual desire or quid pro quo then some sort of suasion has to be applied
    If you want to have sex with semiconscious women then you have to give them something to render them into that state. And you have to give it to them without them knowing or as deception.

    It must be a kink that exists because it is reported. Perhaps there is the desire to be able to obtain satisfaction without worrying about performance. Or perhaps there is a problem performing if the "partner" is awake, aware and demanding.

    Perhaps it is something that comes along later in life because the fame, wealth, and power makes it possible. Homosexuals stay in the closet for years, so why can't these kinks be kept under wraps until later in life. While I'm not entirely swayed by the Spanish Fly routine as being relevant, I read elsewhere about a routine in which he mentioned trying to catch his wife in the middle of the night.
    Perhaps he did and that's where this kink arose. Once he experienced it, he found he liked it and so he went about recreating it.

    And, of course, he may be entirely innocent.
  109. @james wilson
    The drug and rape thing is a very white crime. Surprising to see Crosby go for it, if he did.

    “The drug and rape thing is a very white crime.”

    Is former NFL all star Darren Sharper white?

  110. Big Bill [AKA "The Shyster"] says:
    @pyrrhus
    I think it's pretty certain that blackmail became a crime under the English common law because only the upper classes were ever on the receiving end of such demands. Remember that in England even truthful statements could be libelous--same deal. But I don't recall any cases where members of the upper class were prosecuted for blackmailing their peers....Alexander Pope took large bribes for not publishing satirical poems about the aristocracy, and sometimes published them anyway.

    The English tabloid press 200 years ago made big bucks publishing divorce trial booklets. They would collect the lurid trial testimony of whores, lovers, madams, pimps, servants and everyone else and publish it, complete with tacky illustrations of the husband e.g. ripping the bodice of a swooning chambermaid. Divorce was only permitted for infidelity and violent abuse, so the booklets had plenty of juicy trial detail to print. Likewise with celebrated murder trials.

  111. I believe that Cosby raping women and being protected is consistent with Bill Clinton, Al Gore, MLKs married White girlfriends he fought … see Abernathys book, Gary Glitter, Sandusky, Brian Singer, and Jimmy Saville.

    A pattern emerges. An elite. Transnational. Multiracial. Gay and straight. Above all laws, restraints, boundaries that crush the average man for not sorting his recycle trash or watering his lawn.

    While Bill Cosby gets away for raping women bc he’s famous.

  112. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Robbie
    I think your a useful idiot. It's like the Muslims raping the white girls in England. For some unknown reason, this guy raped a bunch of your women....

    Yet. You. Don't. Care.

    You choose to side with the black guy.

    I don’t care that they’re white women. Am I supposed to? In my mind, what separates me from blacks is precisely that I don’t engage in racial solidarity. If I saw two white guys beating up a black guy (granted, doesn’t happen), I”d intervene to help the black guy, whereas I know they wouldn’t do the same for me. And you know what? If any of these white women saw me in a fight with anyone non-white, they’d tell the cops I was at fault, even if they had no idea. And if they saw me so much as raise my voice to a woman, they’d immediately gang up on me, and I’m not even a Herb, but a good-looking ex-jock. My guess about these women is that they’re low status among women. – i.e. they don’t have jobs in law, real-estate, PR, casting, or run a temp agency. So they need identities in the new gynocracy they didn’t know expect to develop, and being a rape victim is the ticket to identity among other women.

    • Replies: @dcite
    You claim you don't engage in racial solidarity but you sure engage in gender solidarity, or at least exclusion of the opposite as human. A woman goes making rape claims because she's (already) low-status? Like this is going to raise her prestige? Like she doesn't have enough problems?
    You are one sick puppy.
    I was attacked once by 3 blacks on a dark, rainy night, and by the grace of some god, they were chased away by 3 white men who happened to be out on their porch, before anything could happen. Most of us know any of us could be such a victim at any time. I was not a lawyer or a doctor. I was an 18 yr old file clerk. Heaven help me if something had happened and you were on the jury. Yeah, I know. Circumstances. But you'd be amazed at how many people would accuse a dead female of getting herself raped.
    And no, I would not assume you were the culprit if two blacks were beating you. I don't know any white woman who would assume such a thing. We all live around blacks, like everyone on the east coast.
  113. @Anonymous
    This is a carefully orchestrated tactic to ruin Bill Cosby because of the influence of his recent criticism of the black community. Someone clearly has an ax to grind. I do not find any of these womens accounts to be believable and their excuses for waiting eons to report it is utterly ridiculous. Let's say for one instance Bill WAS a womanizer ,even a "PERV" in the 70's. He had women throwing themselves at him, he wouldn't have had to drug & rape them.If YOU KNOW HOLLYWOOD , YOU"D KNOW THAT!
    For the bleeding hearts claiming "re victimization of these poor women" - A Lie is still a Lie No Matter How Many Times You Tell IT. Calling BLSHT on it isn't victimization.Isn't funny how bleeding hearts only come out when there's a political agenda? All the recent racial stirrings are smoke screens to keep us divided & distracted. STOP BEING A USEFUL IDIOT.

    He had women throwing themselves at him, he wouldn’t have had to drug & rape them

    It was 1969, a year after “Soul on Ice”, Eldridge Cleaver’s ode to raping white girls as a way to get back at the white man. What better way to cause the white man pain than degrade, use, and subjugate his women?

    Cosby wasn’t looking for romance or a wife. He was and is race loyal and race true. He was looking for a series of white sperm receptacles.

    Susan Brownmiller was quite clear in her book and interviews where her “rape=power, not sex” thesis came from: Eldridge Cleaver.

  114. Dahlia says:
    @candid_observer
    "Other than going unconscious after eight drinks."

    I don't think there are very many people who go unconscious after eight drinks who remember taking only one (or two) drinks--virtually all realize that they drank way, way too much.

    Of course, one might, many years after the fact, choose to go hazy on these details, if one is inclined for very compelling psychological reasons to believe otherwise. But numbers matter. I just very much doubt that one is going to encounter over a dozen women, all or most of whom presumably had a real connection to Cosby, and so aren't just random nut cases, lying to themselves and others about what really went on decades ago, and accusing him of a despicable crime. One I could see, or two, maybe three -- and I've heard of plausible cases of that. But over a dozen?

    But then there’s Andrea Constand the basketball player who looks so…virginal. And non-Hollywood. Especially non-Hollywood.
    I showed that picture of her by the ledge and my husband let out some sound that was horror, disgust, and shock all mixed together.
    Not to be dismissive of the others in any way, but that one was like beating a little puppy. Yet, she was the most fearless of the bunch for reasons Steve and any halfway astute person can figure out.
    See Daily Mail Andrea Constand

    Gen Xer here. All that pre-Cosby show stuff was news to me.

    • Replies: @Truth

    When I was a kid in the late 70s/early 80s, the iconic black men in pop culture for our generation were Bill Cosby , Michael Jackson, and OJ Simpson.
     
    She looks virginal to you? Where do you live, Tijuana?

    Very few things surprise me about this board, hence, I took 2 years off as I knew I wasn't missing anything, but the reaction of the posters here has thrown me for a loop; let me see if I understand:

    You hate snotty bitches who would never fuck you, for like, wanting equal rights and shit...

    You hate practically all "N-s" for, well, having African heritage....

    However in this case you take the side of the latter, which leads me to believe you REALLY, REALLY, HATE BITCHES.

    Bill Cosby has had a terrible reputation in the black community for a long-long time, I was hearing these stories over 20 years ago in LA.
  115. @Anonymous
    I have no idea as to whether Cosby is guilty or not. Is there precedence for a "star" preferring to drug women and rape/molest them when presumably they would have no trouble bedding women by the hundreds without the use of drugs? Having sex with an unconscious partner doesn't seem very appealing to me, it's warm necrophilia!

    “Having sex with an unconscious partner doesn’t seem very appealing to me,…”

    On the contrary, I suspect that having sex without a near-knockout dose of alcohol /cannabis/coke/heroin/amyl/… would have seemed downright unthinkable for many in the 60′s and 70′s (and, let’s not kid ourselves, in every decade since), regardless of how famous or desirable the man happens to be.

  116. @Prof. Woland
    How about we just start with families where the children were born in wedlock and the biological father was present in their lives?

    Well, we could. That was normal for black households in 1955 and atypical but not unusual in 1985. I think you’ve got a 20% shot in this day and age.

  117. @Harry Huntington
    The problem with all of the comments about Bill Cosby, including mine, is that none of us have any direct personal knowledge about what actually happened. We are all engaging in speculation. But we all have commonsense as well. Men who like to enjoy the charms of many ladies usually have a "bit" they play to pick up the ladies. In Hollywood that bit frequently involves the "promise" of a gig, the possibility of a part in a show, the promise of an introduction, the promise of photo shoot. Not to over generalize, but it is also fair to say that Hollywood actress types tend to be insecure. They are always fearful about how they look and about their image. The insecurity stems from the fact that in Hollywood there are no real "rules" for casting. Ultimately success or failure in Hollywood depends on the whim or fancy of producers, directors or whoever is handling casting.

    Which gets to Mr. Cosby. All of these stories sound like classic casting couch hanky-panky. It sounds like Mr. Cosby's bit for young actress types is the "promise" of parts, introductions, referrals in exchange for a little private pleasure. Couple the "promise" of Hollywood goodies and the insecurity of a young actress and you get this: 30 year old rape accusations. Why? The young actress traded some quid for a pro quo that never happened. The insecure actress of course would not make an accusation 30 years ago because that could threaten a career. She knew that she needed to spend time on other casting couches. She didn't want to be the one to spill at age 19 the secret of how to get ahead in Hollywood. 30 years later, however, you can call what we might consider the "breach of contract" "rape." Why? Years of anger and resentment. Growing self-confidence with age. An understanding now that the great sounding deal from when you were 19 was really exploitation.

    Is it blackmail? Not really. Perhaps call it the market correction for a systematic breach of contract.

    Good point. It would explain why there were never any repercussions at the time. They come forward now because they sound more credible in company.

  118. @Harry Baldwin
    Does anybody how many of these cases (black pushing Asian under the train) have happened in NYC and the USA in the last years?

    I suppose the NYPD would know how many such cases have occurred in NYC, but choose not to make an issue of it. It seems to be homeless/deranged blacks who do this.

    I recall old man Sanford saying “There ain’t nothing uglier than an old white woman.”

    He had a lot worse to say to his Aunt Esther, such as, "I'm going to press your face into some dough and make gorilla cookies."

    Maybe Cosby's routine about Spanish Fly gives us an insight into his fantasies, just as the movie "Manhattan" gave us an insight into Woody Allen's.

    Speaking of blackmail, what happened with the masseuse, Molly Hagerty, who claimed Al Gore demanded a hand job? Tipper divorced him around that time, which may lend the story credibility. One wonders if Gore didn't pay Hagerty off to shut her up. Two other masseuses made similar accustaions.

    Tipper divorced him around that time, which may lend the story credibility.

    I think they were just separated; Tipper has a paramour. One of their daughters is divorced. Another has been separated from her husband for a number of years. Their son has a history of drug charges and odd reckless behavior and is still in school at age 31. Except for junior’s high school pot bust (which the media decorously covered up), they seemed like a fairly orderly and agreeable bunch 15 years ago. Now they look like a train wreck.

  119. •The whole point of Cosby’s 8:15/12:15 double album was that the 12:15 performance was tailored to an adult-only crowd. The act was the same as at 8:15, but with things like the “midnight trampoline” thrown in. (That’s a prophylactic. Cosby’s didn’t work.)

    •Someone mentioned Bob Crane. He was the biggest hetero-pervert in the business, and his sons fought with one another to carry on that legacy. Crane asked to audition for Last Tango, but the producers didn’t want Col Hogan in that role.

    •TMZ’s practice isn’t new. Rock Hudson was spared being outed by a non-glossy mag in the ’50s because his publicist offered up a lesser actor in Hudson’s place. He felt obligated to the other man for the rest of his career.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Someone mentioned Bob Crane. He was the biggest hetero-pervert in the business, and his sons fought with one another to carry on that legacy

    Come again? His sons are nearly two decades apart in age, were borne by different mothers, and have not been in the same room since 1978. The older son was a consultant to the film Autofocus and regards his father with retrospective dismay. The younger son fancies his father a cool dude and insists his older brother is lying about the evolution of his father's behavior (an evolution the older son witnessed and the younger did not).
  120. 30 years later means he was still a relatively young man. And it is–or was–surprisingly easy to get away with that kind of thing when the ‘mark’ is not expecting anything of the kind–as no one was 30 years ago. John Worboys managed to work it on women who got into his cab a decade ago.

  121. @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    Alex Jones says Bill is being persecuted now because he dared to air the black community's dirty laundry, and says blacks need to get over their victim mentality and start taking responsibility and such. This, of course, does not sit well with Obama, Inc., and that is why these victims are coming out of the woodwork all of a sudden.

    FWIW.

    Incidentally, this whole thing seems to have started a few weeks ago when some black comedian I’d never heard of said that Bill Cosby was a rapist on TV or in his act or something.

    • Replies: @James Kabala
    The first public accusation/ lawsuit was made in 2005 and led to an out-of-court settlement. It was not widely publicized, but it got enough attention that I was aware of it at the time. Several other women came forward around the same time but received even less publicity.

    Hannibal Burress (the comedian in question) was referring to all this. This brought even more women out of the woodwork. Those who think that these accusations are completely new in 2014 are mistaken.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bill-cosby-rape-allegations-timeline-hannibal-buress-joan-tarshis/
  122. The number of women is up to fifteen and might still go up. But I guess they’re all lying. After all, what’s the word of fifteen white women as against the word of America’s magic negro?

  123. It’s entirely possible that both Cosby is guilty and that the charges are coming up now for ulterior political motives.

    Speculating wildly now: This was the 70s. Cosby has a lot of celebrity, but doesn’t seem to have a lot of game. So Cosby is out on a date, and he isn’t sure the girl is going to put out. He offers her some drugs, or maybe slips some into her drink – not knockout drugs, just something that makes her happy and horny. (Quaaludes?) Most of the time, this works out. But sometimes, the girl passes out before sex, or has amnesia about what happened before she passed out.

  124. I would guess that blackmail is illigal to protect rich and powerfull people. To save them money and stress to pay off people that blackmail them. If someone has a dirty little secret then he has to sell it to the press or keep quiet. I guess they think that a lot of people with dirty secrets will just shut up.

    Additionally, blackmail is a notorious starting point for trouble. It often goes very wrong, ending in murder.

    This is why societies USED to have strong libel laws, and guys fought duels to protect their honor. You got a big block of idiots who believe ANY accusation or smear. “Where there’s smoke there’s fire” they nod sagely.

    I don’t remember anyone ever challenging a woman to a duel for anything, false rape accusations included.

    I have no idea as to whether Cosby is guilty or not. Is there precedence for a “star” preferring to drug women and rape/molest them when presumably they would have no trouble bedding women by the hundreds without the use of drugs? Having sex with an unconscious partner doesn’t seem very appealing to me, it’s warm necrophilia!

    This one has appeared over and over in the thread, but isn’t particularly convincing by itself. It sounds like “yeah, but he was a rich junkie, so why would he steal a key of coke?” For some people, there’s never enough. Sometimes famous isn’t famous enough for a given woman. Sometimes, fame isn’t enough, period. I have a hard time imagining that the folks here have a hard time imagining someone in Hollywood getting too big for his britches. “Who does she think she is, telling me no? Doesn’t she know who I am?” Add drugs & booze & things can get out of hand.

    None of which is to say that I care enough about the Cosby accusations to think about them extensively, or take a position.

    The drug and rape thing is a very white crime. Surprising to see Crosby go for it, if he did.

    Given Cosby’s extraordinary attempts throughout his life to avoid “acting white,” appealing to white audiences, etc., I can understand your surprise.

    • Replies: @Norman

    Additionally, blackmail is a notorious starting point for trouble. It often goes very wrong, ending in murder.
     
    Wasn't it one of the rules of old mystery/crime fiction novels that killing a blackmailer wasn't murder?
  125. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    There was this recent awkward exchange during an interview with one of the Cosby accusers:

    http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/11/18/cnns-don-lemon-to-cosby-rape-accuser-you-know-t/201625

    LEMON: Can I ask you this, because — and please, I don’t mean to be crude, OK?

    TARSHIS: Yeah.

    LEMON: Because I know some of you — and you said this last night, that he — you lied to him and said “I have an infection, and if you rape me, or if you do — if you have intercourse with me, then you will probably get it and give it to your wife.”

    TARSHIS: Right.

    LEMON: And you said he made you perform oral sex.

    TARSHIS: Right.

    LEMON: You — you know, there are ways not to perform oral sex if you didn’t want to do it.

    TARSHIS: Oh. Um, I was kind of stoned at the time, and quite honestly, that didn’t even enter my mind. Now I wish it would have.

    LEMON: Right. Meaning the using of the teeth, right?

    TARSHIS: Yes, that’s what I’m thinking you’re –

    LEMON: As a weapon.

    TARSHIS: Yeah, I didn’t even think of it.

    LEMON: Biting. So, um –

    TARSHIS: Ouch.

    LEMON: Yes. I had to ask. I mean, it is, yeah.

    TARSHIS: Yes. No, it didn’t cross my mind.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    LEMON: Right. Meaning the using of the teeth, right…

    LEMON: As a weapon…

    LEMON: Biting. So, um –

    TARSHIS: Ouch.

    LEMON: Yes. I had to ask…
     
    Mr Lemon speaks from experience, no doubt.
  126. In 1997 in Los Angeles, Cosby’s 27-year old son was shot in the head and killed by an 18-year old Ukranian immigrant. After that, I remember reading that Cosby’s wife openly exclaimed that she hated White people.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "In 1997 in Los Angeles, Cosby’s 27-year old son was shot in the head and killed by an 18-year old Ukranian immigrant. After that, I remember reading that Cosby’s wife openly exclaimed that she hated White people."

    Well, she had kind of a good reason at the time. It was a horrible crime. By an offramp of the 405 near Mulholland Drive.

  127. Al Sharpton has been behind at least two false allegations of rape: Tawana Bradley and the Duke Lacrosse case. Given that what Cosby stands for is the antithesis of what Sharpton stands for – hes more into the black community correcting itself rather than resorting to anti-white garbage – it’s not hard to envision Sharpton being the mastermind behind these allegations. Especially now that he has unparalleled power and influence.

  128. “One of the greatest shows in television history?

    No, don’t think so.

    All we have to do is ask him this question: If the Cosby show were about a WHITE family, would he still feel this way? In other words, an updated version of Father Knows Best transported to the 80′s. Would Levine think that Father Knows Best is among TV’s all time greats? And of course whites like him wanted so much to believe the myth of the solidly middle class black family who underneath it all is really just like them.

    Have to give Norman Lear credit on this one: He’s consistent in his loony leftism. When asked on Arsenio Hall’s show some twenty yrs ago he said straight up “The Cosby Show isn’t based in reality for the vast majority of blacks.”

    I would not even rank “The Cosby Show” to be the greatest Black sitcom of all time, let alone the greatest sitcom of all time regardless of race.

    I would rank “Family Matters” with Steve Urkel as being a funnier Black sitcom than “The Cosby Show”.

  129. “How about we just start with families where the children were born in wedlock and the biological father was present in their lives?”

    Whoa whoa there, that’s asking for too much. You can not set the bar that high for most Black Americans.

  130. Dahlia says:

    Hillary Clinton…

    5 minutes after Cosby was fully outed, Republicans were linking him to Bill Clinton for the simple reason that everyone believes he raped Juanita Broderick. It would have been political malpractice not to.
    Are Democrats really sure Hillary should be their nominee? A presidential race in the general, the Republicans won’t be playing footsies. Broderick came after Clinton won his second term so this will be new terrain.

  131. Priss Factor [AKA "sylia"] says:

    From S. Sontag by D. Schreiber

    “Steve Wasserman traces Sontag’s return to literature partly to the spirit of the late 80s and 90s, an intellectual climate no longer conducive to her kind of essay writing. The whole media landscape has changed dramatically. Although she could have continued to write essays, the magazines that would publish them… has slipped completely from the consciousness of the mainstream and reduced to a relatively small number of highly educated but marginalized readers. A novel, on the other hand, promised wider public recognition and mixture of seriousness and glamour…”

    What Sailer needs to do is write a novel. He has lots of funny anecdotes about people. Rosenblatt, Diamond(running away from him LOL), golf buddies, problems with pc, etc.

    Articles are ‘here today, gone tomorrow’. Novels are fun even with changing times. Articles about Stalin written in 30s are no longer read. 1984 is still read.
    If Sailer creates a candide-like character who keeps noticing stuff he’s not supposed to notice in what is supposedly a free and open society that has little use for real freedom, he might write some funny stuff that raises eyebrows. A forrest gump with brains than no brains, catcher in rye with heart, great gatsby with beavis-humor. At the very least, it can’t be worse than Brooks’ novel-like social animal.
    Sailer should recall and collect funny anecdotes from his life. And turn certain news stories into little tales. Guillermo Gomez as the ‘new Republican’ cuz he got a McMansionez for no money down.
    People will have fun trying to match the fictional characters with the real-life characters, i.e. turn Jared Diamond into Jason Gold.
    A blend of Dave Barry, Waugh, Wolfe, Mike Judge, Royko, Rourke, Vidal, etc. At least it will be talk on the conzo sphere, with people discussing which real person the character is referring to.
    Maybe the central setting should be some golf course.
    In THE SWIMMER goes from pool to pool. How about the central character goes from course to course to find some secret. He’s like Joe-Buck-like character who is told to see the truth in a free country but every time he sees it and talks about it, he gets in trouble.

    If Sailer works on it page a day, he will have 365 pgs in a year.

  132. “A few days ago again a asian looking person was pushed under the the train in the subway in NYC by a black perperator. Does anybody how many of thise cases (black pushung asian under the train) have happened in NYC and the USA in the last years?”

    I don’t know about New York City but in San Francisco and Oakland, Black on Asian crimes are extremely common yet they are almost never charged as hate crimes.

    But if the perpetuators committing these crimes against Asians were White and not Black, I have no doubt there would be a political push in the Bay Area to classify them as hate crimes.

    Left wing Asian Americans tolerate Black thuggery against their people, but their heads would explode with anger if it was White people doing this to them.

    • Replies: @Lurker

    Left wing Asian Americans tolerate Black thuggery against their people, but their heads would explode with anger if it was White people doing this to them.qaz.qaz
     
    Because, galling as such attacks may be, they know the real enemy is whitey and my enemies enemy is my friend, sort of.
  133. http://dailym.ai/1vpfQa3

    Brit school too British, dammit!

    “Waiter, there’s soup in my soup!”

  134. 1. These women are spending 10x more time in the public eye smearing Cosby than they would have had to have spent in a rape case. That alone sends off alarm bells.

    Like that lying chick at Columbia and Lena Dunham, this is a case of women deciding after the fact that something was rape and using that for some attention/woe-is-me victimhood and perhaps a payday, whether from TV interviews/books or even reality shows.

    Given the number, this sounds like a coordinated effort by someone to take Cosby down—an old business partner trying to screw him, perhaps?—it just sounds too coordinated, a la Donald Sterling. Or perhaps an Al Sharpton type angry that Bill criticizes modern black leadership.

    These chicks, notably, have made accusations that no one can disprove, since they involve allegations of drugging years ago. Right, honey, you were a grown adult who just happened to get into a compromising position with a powerful man who promised you the moon, didn’t deliver, but it was the drugs that made you sleep with him. Right.

    Or they were just whores. The female hamster wheels really are all-powerful.

    2. Anyone who says the Cosby Show wasn’t great or that 80′s sitcoms were bad as a rule is quite frankly not paying attention.

    The Cosby Show made Must See TV and saved NBC. It lasted for years, challenged the upstart Simpsons at one point, and is still alive in syndication and Netflix. The grandparents’ birthday episodes, with all the kids performing and lip synching, is still iconic in the history of sitcoms—up there with the Turkey drop episode of WKRP, the Lucy working at the chocolate factory on the conveyor belt in I Love Lucy, or any others you could name.

    Murder She Wrote is not only still in syndication (Hallmark Channel, with the Golden Girls), but was written by many big comic book/scifi writers still around today (for one, j michael straczynski, creator of Babylon 5). Murder She Wrote and Murphy Brown, remember were the only two shows CBS had at one point during the early/mid 90s when the network truly bottomed out (Murphy Brown even had an episode poking fun at this, where Murphy is supposed to be forced to do a duet/dance with Angela Lansbury for the remaining sponsors’ enjoyment.) The modern detective show Castle is basically Murder She Wrote with a dude who’s way more famous.

    Family Ties was a great sitcom, and Michael J. Fox has been riding that and the Back to the Futuremovies since then. Such a big sitcom that it was still minor news when Meredith Baxter came out as a lesbian recently. Courtney Cox used her time there to build up enough cred for Friends to get launched.

    Golden Girls—enough said. Still going strong in syndication, so much so that Jimmy Fallon was in a skit spoofing it during his SNL days (mid-2000s). Delightfully dirty. The Betty White resurgence is partially off that.

    Cheers—enough said.

    Remember guys: just because you don’t get a certain brand of humor doesn’t mean it’s bad. I don’t find Seinfeld enjoyable, but I can recognize why millions do; it’s just not my brand of humor.

  135. @Kyussopeth
    I met and had a friendly talk with a man (& his wife) who worked on the crew of two NBC shows shot in NYC. One of the shows was the Cosby Show. He despised Cosby saying he was the most racist person he ever met. At some point he demanded that all the white crew members be replaced by blacks only to have the Union say no. However he hated Lorne Michaels more.

    I liked Cosby as a kid, but once I grew up I just found him dull.

    Could be. As Chris Rock says, “Nobody more racist than a old black man“.

  136. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    All of this to “silence” Cosby? He’s been saying this stuff for a long time. I don’t care enough to go back and see the origin of it and answer the “why now?” question. Reminds me of Tiger Woods and the Governator. Whether he committed a crime or not he certainly has a sleazy past as an adulterer and womanizer. Now he is reaping what he sowed.

  137. BTW I didn’t like the Cosby show as I though his wife was a bossy b*tch and he was a wussy.

  138. Also, the “Cosby never worked blue” meme doesn’t jibe with my memories. My parents went to see Harry Belafonte at the Hollywood Bowl in the summer of 1971, but Belafonte was sick, so it was announced to patrons that Cosby would fill in for his friend. My parents thought that sounded good because they knew how much I liked his early records like “Noah” and his 1969 sit-com. But, they reported back, Cosby’s material that night was shockingly obscene, and they didn’t like that at all. That could just be my parents over-reacting, but it fit in with the Playboy Mansion stuff.’

    The impression of Cosby as a clean-cut guy could partly be intergenerational incomprehension. Cosby was already doing stand up in ’62, just before “The Sixties” changed the culture. In the old days, lots of comics would do filthy material in private clubs or adults-only nightspots, but they didn’t record that material for general public distribution. Milton Berle, for example, always had squeaky-clean public routines, but in private roasts with close friends, he liked to use the raunchy stuff he couldn’t put on television. Cosby, born in 1937, probably adhered to something like the same code. Nowadays, it’s assumed that a comic who is filthy in private might as well be filthy in public, too.

  139. and no one has mentioned “Leonard Part 3″

  140. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Many of the comments on this thread perfectly explain why feminism, despite its lunacy, remains popular. Among populations that aren’t very feminist – be they Islamic countries or the males who comment here – rape victims are typically smeared as nutcases, morons or manipulative sluts. Keep up your douchebaggery; every contemptuous word you write about rape victims keeps another feminist in paid employment. But cheer up; you can always move to Iran, where they just executed a woman who killed a man trying to rape her. You’ll fit in splendidly there.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    What about ancient Athens, which is the founding civilization of Western Civilization and probably the most accomplished civilization of all time? Their patriarchal ways and gender relations were more akin to Iran and other Islamic countries than they are to our contemporary feminist ways.
    , @whorefinder

    Many of the comments on this thread perfectly explain why feminism, despite its lunacy, remains popular. Among populations that aren’t very feminist – be they Islamic countries or the males who comment here – rape victims are typically smeared as nutcases, morons or manipulative sluts. Keep up your douchebaggery; every contemptuous word you write about rape victims keeps another feminist in paid employment. But cheer up; you can always move to Iran, where they just executed a woman who killed a man trying to rape her. You’ll fit in splendidly there.
     
    Actually, our incredulousness at the Cosby accusations is precisely due to feminism.

    Traditionally in non-black America a woman's accusation of rape was sacrosanct. All male juries, all male judges, and all male prosecutors would instinctively believe a woman who claimed rape in a court of law. The idea was that women needed to be protected by men, and that a woman claiming a man had violated her aroused all the white knight instincts in men and put them all on her side. This is how many women traditionally protected their good reputations when caught in compromising positions---"no, sir, that man was raping me! egads, I'm a good girl!"

    Then post-1960s Feminism used this inherent white knightism against non-black males by constantly using women-as-victim tropes to cow men and get pro-female, anti-male legislation passed. The most recent "walking in NY for 10 hours as a woman" video was an example attempt at this. Yet the video backfired. Why? Because men have started to notice that despite all the pro-feminist laws, women still can't compete with men in 80% of the work areas, and that men are becoming second-class citizens to women in our society. And that the video depicted nothing more than a bunch of blacks and puerto ricans engaging in low-level, polite attempts to hit on a chubby jewish girl; blaming non-black males for it reeked of extreme feminist over reach.

    And that's not talking about campus sex codes, which have ridiculously defined rape to mean anything a feminist wants it to mean. Lena Dunham tried this in her latest book, as did that Columbia chick with the mattress. And now that eternal lying attention whore Janice Dickinson is trying to horn in on this action and claim victimhood from Cosby---this from the women who insists that she, alone, invented the term supermodel despite the term being used before she even arrived on the scene, and who admittedly slept with every powerful man in Hollywood to further her career.

    In short, non-black men are seeing that women are lying up a crapload in order to claim victimhood and get rewards. And those rewards are paid for in the degradation and loss of power of non-black men.

    So please stop confusing cause with effect. Men disbelieving lying, power-hungry gold diggers' rape myths isn't causing feminism; feminism is causing men to think more and more women are lying, power-seeking golddiggers.
    , @Hare Krishna
    What you call douchebaggery, others would call caring about Western civilization.

    In lieu of an older white male icon, the feminista brigade and their PC-beta enablers have decided to take down an older black male who loves America and who wants to reverse the frightening decline of the black community, and who rejects the racism of the age of Sharpton and Holder. This crowd is using brazen whores to do this. It is possible Cosby might be guilty ; he's certainly a womanizer ; but most likely not. Look for the hand of the puppetmasters behind these slatterns
  141. I am beginning to wonder about you Steve Sailer. First the Civil War, now this.

  142. @Lot

    Interestingly, it’s the germ of the “happy 50s housewife” meme, but the show itself was a flop when it initially aired and was mostly propped up by off-show musical fame in later seasons.
     
    I don't know if I buy that the Donna Reed Show was "propped up" by some minor teen idol record success. It had a long run, and was probably more profitable than high-budget Westerns that dominated the ratings back then.

    I liked it when I was a kid watching it in the 90's on Nick at Nite. I rewatched a couple episodes on youtube and it holds up really well. The complete lack of snark, the good morals of every character, and lack of pop culture jokes gives it a sort of wholesome, escapist, timeless quality.

    Eh, it didn’t even make the top 25 after its ratings improved until the very end of its run. It was simply not very successful or popular even with the boost from the musical hits.

  143. No mention here yet of Anita Hill’s delayed accusations against Clarence Thomas. Amazing.

  144. @candid_observer
    "Other than going unconscious after eight drinks."

    I don't think there are very many people who go unconscious after eight drinks who remember taking only one (or two) drinks--virtually all realize that they drank way, way too much.

    Of course, one might, many years after the fact, choose to go hazy on these details, if one is inclined for very compelling psychological reasons to believe otherwise. But numbers matter. I just very much doubt that one is going to encounter over a dozen women, all or most of whom presumably had a real connection to Cosby, and so aren't just random nut cases, lying to themselves and others about what really went on decades ago, and accusing him of a despicable crime. One I could see, or two, maybe three -- and I've heard of plausible cases of that. But over a dozen?

    Women go unconscious after eight drinks with some frequency if they are given to enthusiastic binge drinking at nightclubs and bars and private parties where men can give them a leg up in their careers. And they pretty much always say they only had one or two drinks, they can hold their liquor normally, that night (they blacked out) was different, it had to be roofies, etc, etc.

  145. http://flatheadbeacon.com/2014/11/18/whitefish-residents-appeal-city-council-anti-hate-law/

    White lemmings obey Jews even in Montana.

    You can run but you can’t hide, not even in Montana.

  146. I cant stand Cosby. He’s gotta be the most overated comedian around. The way he drones on and on can bore the shit out of you. Also dont like people with that holier than thou attitude who are anything but.

  147. @Art Deco
    By the 80s mainstream US didn’t care and certainly didn’t want to know much less see the reality.

    People were perfectly familiar with the 'reality' in 1984, and commonly subscribed to lurid distortions of it, as they do in these comboxes.

    It was most definitely NOT shown on Network TV during the 80s, therefore, white US mainstream preferred such noble illusions as the Cosby Show and other mythic characters (e.g. Urkel, Tootie, etc) namely, those “whitened up for mass consumption” characters.

    Name Urkel’s counterpart in the black community. By and large, you can’t. It doesn’t exist now and certainly didn’t exist then. Funny, how like, 90% of the writers for these black shows of the 70s and early 80s tended to be white. Just saying. Hm…so of course white writers (a bit on the nerdy side to begin with) would tend to relate to created characters of a nerd, they just decided to make him black in one instance. Cause white nerds were a dime a dozen in popular culture when they were shown at all.

    AND…let us not forget the most famous of shows that was whitened up for mass consumption…Diff’rent Strokes! Of course! Cute little Gary, and “what’chu talkin’ bout, Willis?” Awww, cutesy wootsie Gary Coleman with those cheeky pouty dimples, who could forget?

    And the white millionaire and his family taking Arnold and bro’ Willis in, to help show them the ways of Park Avenue (white man’s world) and of course, they being from Harlem (da ‘hood) showing him that it DOES take Diff’rent Strokes….to rule the world!

    Whitewashing for middle class whites to help assuage their consciences cause they didn’t want to know about the realities and preferred to watch the myth of the enlightened one (and now they’ve had the opportunity to vote for the enlightened one, cause they saw his 80s TV counterpart, Urkel.)

    Notice: Revenge of the Nerds was all white? Notice: The Big Bang doesn’t tend to have any blacks? Perhaps a guest star but not really much at all? See the pattern? Notice the trend?

    And that’s what we’re talkin’ bout.

  148. What Jews gave America.

    ——–

    Jews like it when Adelson attacks Obama as anti-Israel. It creates the impression that Jews aren’t behind Obama.

  149. @Prof. Woland
    Bill Cosby's most damaging relationship was the one he had with Mrs. Huxtable on the Cosby show. While outwardly flattering and sympathetic to Afro-Americans, it also reminded them that the the vast majority had families that resembled something quite different. The public image of the Huxtable's was like rubbing salt into the eyes of black single baby mamas.

    The Cosby Show was a mind-weapon aimed at white people. It was not meant to be a role model for blacks.

  150. @Steve Sailer
    I wasn't prostituting myself for a part, I was a victim!

    Could be ...

    Humor and anger are related. One way to look at this relationship:
    Anger acted out is violence.
    Anger turned inward is depression.
    Anger turned sideways=humor.
    I’m seldom surprised by what comedians d. Their humor springs from something.
    And very often I think their routines are telling exactly why they are angry and what that anger springs from. This is related to kidding on the square. No matter how insulting a remark between friends, there are those who think that “Just kidding. Can’t you take a joke?” is the universal get out of jail card.

    Pure verbal humor may be exempt from these rules but I’m not even sure about that.

    As far as the assertion that wildly/wealthy/ popular popular guys/men have all the women they want and don’t have to resort to rape or other machinations to get what they want.
    If what they want is kinky they may have to. If they want someone to give in for reasons other than mutual desire or quid pro quo then some sort of suasion has to be applied
    If you want to have sex with semiconscious women then you have to give them something to render them into that state. And you have to give it to them without them knowing or as deception.

    It must be a kink that exists because it is reported. Perhaps there is the desire to be able to obtain satisfaction without worrying about performance. Or perhaps there is a problem performing if the “partner” is awake, aware and demanding.

    Perhaps it is something that comes along later in life because the fame, wealth, and power makes it possible. Homosexuals stay in the closet for years, so why can’t these kinks be kept under wraps until later in life. While I’m not entirely swayed by the Spanish Fly routine as being relevant, I read elsewhere about a routine in which he mentioned trying to catch his wife in the middle of the night.
    Perhaps he did and that’s where this kink arose. Once he experienced it, he found he liked it and so he went about recreating it.

    And, of course, he may be entirely innocent.

  151. Blackmail is, at base, illegal because the blackmailer becomes a co-conspirator in a crime. To demand money in exchange for silence, is to be complicit in covering up something that should be handled by the police.

  152. @FWIW
    There is simply no good defense for being called a pervert. I would think .. .why should he? A star can mostly get all the women he wants.

    And the girls who have second thoughts ... they may be sincere, but rape is a very serious crime and requires a high standard of proof.

    Meanwhile ... the very charge is impossible to erase. He goes down as maybe a pervert. What a shame if he is innocent. Or 1/2 guilty.

    A star can mostly get all the women he wants.

    You don’t get it. He’s getting off to raping. Sex ain’t fungible for these types– casual vanilla sex counts as nothing more than masturbation, perhaps even less.

  153. @Buzz Mohawk
    Cosby and Letterman are apples and oranges.

    I only remember Cosby on his comedy records, telling stories about how his father would beat him with big belts. He seemed to relish describing enormous, leather things with holes and hooks. It was odd. And this man has held himself up as an expert on parenting...?

    I believe the accusations against Cosby. They've been in the air for decades.

    Letterman, on the other hand, is an honest broker. He was really funny when he was younger. Some girls just liked fooling around with him. He's like a big teenager in some ways.

    Letterman is pretty much an asshole. His audience knows he’s an asshole. That’s why he was able to turn the tables on his blackmailer – he knew his audience wouldn’t care whom he was shagging behind the scenes because they probably expected it. And yet it still seems to have taken a toll on his ratings, and ad revenues for the show were down by over $50 million/year from 2009 to 2013. Even Jimmy Kimmel routinely beats Letterman’s ratings, and Fallon is just thrashing him. Letterman’s designated replacement, Stephen Colbert, may be a bit smarter and a bit more of a family values type, but he’s every bit the asshole that Letterman is. Why CBS didn’t select Craig Ferguson for the gig is beyond comprehension.

  154. It’s interesting how two groups seem to generate 80% of each day’s negative headlines: Blacks (Ferguson, and now Bill Cosby, basketball and football players, etc) and Jews (Michael Milken, Eliot Spitzer, Bernie Madoff, Anthony Weiner, Bob Filner (San Diego mayor), Donald Sterling, and many others, plus the almost constant bad news coming from Israel). On the other hand, despite their large numbers two other groups generate virtually no negative headlines: WASPs and Latinos(at least those born here).

    The first two groups seem wired to crave the limelight, and at least in the Jewish case we might get a clue from Ben Gurion’s famous bon mot. He said that since most Jews don’t believe in hell, the Jewish definition of hell is mediocrity

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The constant negative headlines about Israel are due to the media choosing to focus on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict rather than other conflicts that have been far bloodier.
  155. @E. Rekshun
    In 1997 in Los Angeles, Cosby's 27-year old son was shot in the head and killed by an 18-year old Ukranian immigrant. After that, I remember reading that Cosby's wife openly exclaimed that she hated White people.

    “In 1997 in Los Angeles, Cosby’s 27-year old son was shot in the head and killed by an 18-year old Ukranian immigrant. After that, I remember reading that Cosby’s wife openly exclaimed that she hated White people.”

    Well, she had kind of a good reason at the time. It was a horrible crime. By an offramp of the 405 near Mulholland Drive.

    • Replies: @Rifleman

    “In 1997 in Los Angeles, Cosby’s 27-year old son was shot in the head and killed by an 18-year old Ukranian immigrant. After that, I remember reading that Cosby’s wife openly exclaimed that she hated White people.”

    Well, she had kind of a good reason at the time. It was a horrible crime. By an offramp of the 405 near Mulholland Drive.
     
    Really? So actress Kelly MacGillis has a right to hate blacks because she was home invasion raped by a black male?

    How about actress Fran Drescher, home invasion raped by a black male while her husband was tied up and forced to watch.

    Or actor Kelsey Grammer, his sister was abducted gang raped and murdered by black males.

    Any of these White people have "kind of a good reason"?
    , @Hard Line Realist

    Well, she had kind of a good reason at the time. It was a horrible crime. By an offramp of the 405 near Mulholland Drive.
     
    So, if it was committed somewhere else would it have been less horrible?

    BTW, do we know if the perp was one of those Nazi eastern Ukrainians or one of the more socially conscious western Ukrainians?

    Seems like she had a "you people are all the same" attitude.
  156. @Anonymous
    Many of the comments on this thread perfectly explain why feminism, despite its lunacy, remains popular. Among populations that aren't very feminist - be they Islamic countries or the males who comment here - rape victims are typically smeared as nutcases, morons or manipulative sluts. Keep up your douchebaggery; every contemptuous word you write about rape victims keeps another feminist in paid employment. But cheer up; you can always move to Iran, where they just executed a woman who killed a man trying to rape her. You'll fit in splendidly there.

    What about ancient Athens, which is the founding civilization of Western Civilization and probably the most accomplished civilization of all time? Their patriarchal ways and gender relations were more akin to Iran and other Islamic countries than they are to our contemporary feminist ways.

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
    Not just Athens, but every country in Europe except Britain and Scandinavia as late as 1700 had patriarchal ways closer to the Middle East today than America and Western Europe today. The reason why patriarchy is so prevalent is that human societies need that to be able to function. Matriarchies are weak and vulnerable to collapse as ancient Minoan Crete demonstrates. As our society has stopped being patriarchal it has become far more fragile and tense.
  157. @Anonymous
    Incidentally, this whole thing seems to have started a few weeks ago when some black comedian I'd never heard of said that Bill Cosby was a rapist on TV or in his act or something.

    The first public accusation/ lawsuit was made in 2005 and led to an out-of-court settlement. It was not widely publicized, but it got enough attention that I was aware of it at the time. Several other women came forward around the same time but received even less publicity.

    Hannibal Burress (the comedian in question) was referring to all this. This brought even more women out of the woodwork. Those who think that these accusations are completely new in 2014 are mistaken.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bill-cosby-rape-allegations-timeline-hannibal-buress-joan-tarshis/

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    The fact that it's all emerging right now---right when he had a new show in the works---speaks of a Sterling-esque conspiracy by some disgruntled business partners. And magically that new show just got cancelled!
  158. “AND…let us not forget the most famous of shows that was whitened up for mass consumption…Diff’rent Strokes! Of course! Cute little Gary, and “what’chu talkin’ bout, Willis?” Awww, cutesy wootsie Gary Coleman with those cheeky pouty dimples, who could forget?”

    Interesting facts about the late Gary Coleman is that he was a Republican and during the final years of his life he was residing in the extremely White state of Utah where there are not that many Blacks outside of the Utah Jazz, lol.

  159. @Anonymous
    There was this recent awkward exchange during an interview with one of the Cosby accusers:

    http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/11/18/cnns-don-lemon-to-cosby-rape-accuser-you-know-t/201625



    LEMON: Can I ask you this, because -- and please, I don't mean to be crude, OK?

    TARSHIS: Yeah.

    LEMON: Because I know some of you -- and you said this last night, that he -- you lied to him and said "I have an infection, and if you rape me, or if you do -- if you have intercourse with me, then you will probably get it and give it to your wife."

    TARSHIS: Right.

    LEMON: And you said he made you perform oral sex.

    TARSHIS: Right.

    LEMON: You -- you know, there are ways not to perform oral sex if you didn't want to do it.

    TARSHIS: Oh. Um, I was kind of stoned at the time, and quite honestly, that didn't even enter my mind. Now I wish it would have.

    LEMON: Right. Meaning the using of the teeth, right?

    TARSHIS: Yes, that's what I'm thinking you're --

    LEMON: As a weapon.

    TARSHIS: Yeah, I didn't even think of it.

    LEMON: Biting. So, um --

    TARSHIS: Ouch.

    LEMON: Yes. I had to ask. I mean, it is, yeah.

    TARSHIS: Yes. No, it didn't cross my mind.
     

    LEMON: Right. Meaning the using of the teeth, right…

    LEMON: As a weapon…

    LEMON: Biting. So, um –

    TARSHIS: Ouch.

    LEMON: Yes. I had to ask…

    Mr Lemon speaks from experience, no doubt.

  160. @Anonymous
    Many of the comments on this thread perfectly explain why feminism, despite its lunacy, remains popular. Among populations that aren't very feminist - be they Islamic countries or the males who comment here - rape victims are typically smeared as nutcases, morons or manipulative sluts. Keep up your douchebaggery; every contemptuous word you write about rape victims keeps another feminist in paid employment. But cheer up; you can always move to Iran, where they just executed a woman who killed a man trying to rape her. You'll fit in splendidly there.

    Many of the comments on this thread perfectly explain why feminism, despite its lunacy, remains popular. Among populations that aren’t very feminist – be they Islamic countries or the males who comment here – rape victims are typically smeared as nutcases, morons or manipulative sluts. Keep up your douchebaggery; every contemptuous word you write about rape victims keeps another feminist in paid employment. But cheer up; you can always move to Iran, where they just executed a woman who killed a man trying to rape her. You’ll fit in splendidly there.

    Actually, our incredulousness at the Cosby accusations is precisely due to feminism.

    Traditionally in non-black America a woman’s accusation of rape was sacrosanct. All male juries, all male judges, and all male prosecutors would instinctively believe a woman who claimed rape in a court of law. The idea was that women needed to be protected by men, and that a woman claiming a man had violated her aroused all the white knight instincts in men and put them all on her side. This is how many women traditionally protected their good reputations when caught in compromising positions—”no, sir, that man was raping me! egads, I’m a good girl!”

    Then post-1960s Feminism used this inherent white knightism against non-black males by constantly using women-as-victim tropes to cow men and get pro-female, anti-male legislation passed. The most recent “walking in NY for 10 hours as a woman” video was an example attempt at this. Yet the video backfired. Why? Because men have started to notice that despite all the pro-feminist laws, women still can’t compete with men in 80% of the work areas, and that men are becoming second-class citizens to women in our society. And that the video depicted nothing more than a bunch of blacks and puerto ricans engaging in low-level, polite attempts to hit on a chubby jewish girl; blaming non-black males for it reeked of extreme feminist over reach.

    And that’s not talking about campus sex codes, which have ridiculously defined rape to mean anything a feminist wants it to mean. Lena Dunham tried this in her latest book, as did that Columbia chick with the mattress. And now that eternal lying attention whore Janice Dickinson is trying to horn in on this action and claim victimhood from Cosby—this from the women who insists that she, alone, invented the term supermodel despite the term being used before she even arrived on the scene, and who admittedly slept with every powerful man in Hollywood to further her career.

    In short, non-black men are seeing that women are lying up a crapload in order to claim victimhood and get rewards. And those rewards are paid for in the degradation and loss of power of non-black men.

    So please stop confusing cause with effect. Men disbelieving lying, power-hungry gold diggers’ rape myths isn’t causing feminism; feminism is causing men to think more and more women are lying, power-seeking golddiggers.

  161. @James Kabala
    The first public accusation/ lawsuit was made in 2005 and led to an out-of-court settlement. It was not widely publicized, but it got enough attention that I was aware of it at the time. Several other women came forward around the same time but received even less publicity.

    Hannibal Burress (the comedian in question) was referring to all this. This brought even more women out of the woodwork. Those who think that these accusations are completely new in 2014 are mistaken.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bill-cosby-rape-allegations-timeline-hannibal-buress-joan-tarshis/

    The fact that it’s all emerging right now—right when he had a new show in the works—speaks of a Sterling-esque conspiracy by some disgruntled business partners. And magically that new show just got cancelled!

  162. Let’s not forget that Bill Cosby actually helped finance the notorious ’70s blaxploitation film Sweet Sweetback’s Baadasssss Song (“Rated X by an all-white jury”).

    “No studio would finance the film, so Van Peebles funded the film himself, shooting it independently over a period of 19 days, performing all of his own stunts and appearing in several unsimulated sex scenes. He received a $50,000 loan from Bill Cosby to complete the project.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_Sweetback%27s_Baadasssss_Song

    I’ve always suspected that Cosby is a much edgier character than he’d have us believe.

  163. @Anonymous
    What about ancient Athens, which is the founding civilization of Western Civilization and probably the most accomplished civilization of all time? Their patriarchal ways and gender relations were more akin to Iran and other Islamic countries than they are to our contemporary feminist ways.

    Not just Athens, but every country in Europe except Britain and Scandinavia as late as 1700 had patriarchal ways closer to the Middle East today than America and Western Europe today. The reason why patriarchy is so prevalent is that human societies need that to be able to function. Matriarchies are weak and vulnerable to collapse as ancient Minoan Crete demonstrates. As our society has stopped being patriarchal it has become far more fragile and tense.

  164. @Anonymous
    Many of the comments on this thread perfectly explain why feminism, despite its lunacy, remains popular. Among populations that aren't very feminist - be they Islamic countries or the males who comment here - rape victims are typically smeared as nutcases, morons or manipulative sluts. Keep up your douchebaggery; every contemptuous word you write about rape victims keeps another feminist in paid employment. But cheer up; you can always move to Iran, where they just executed a woman who killed a man trying to rape her. You'll fit in splendidly there.

    What you call douchebaggery, others would call caring about Western civilization.

    In lieu of an older white male icon, the feminista brigade and their PC-beta enablers have decided to take down an older black male who loves America and who wants to reverse the frightening decline of the black community, and who rejects the racism of the age of Sharpton and Holder. This crowd is using brazen whores to do this. It is possible Cosby might be guilty ; he’s certainly a womanizer ; but most likely not. Look for the hand of the puppetmasters behind these slatterns

  165. @flip
    Unless the women went to the police, I am extremely skeptical of any rape claims.

    Unless the women went to the police, I am extremely skeptical of any rape claims.

    What if the woman is raped by the police?

    Which reminds me… A few years ago when New York removed the statute of limitations from rape charges, did anyone think to ask the state’s US Senator how her life might be different had, say, Winthrop Rockefeller or Orval Faubus signed a similar law decades earlier?

  166. There is an alternative theory about the timing of news about Herr Cosby.

    The news serves to desensitize the public in advance of the Ferguson revelation.

    Of course Bill did some bad things, and those will see the light of day, but the number will likely shrink from 15 to a single digit number as the starlets/models get legal advice and decide to stay out of jail.

    Bill will hold off as long as he can stand, and then will cave in as they all do, like Clinton and the doping Tour de France bicyclist Armstrong.

    He may end up losing a fortune in delayed payouts, which will pale in comparison to his soon to be status as a shattered icon.

  167. I was as talking about this with my buddy SSA Hotch the other day. Here’s his take on the whole Cosby thing:

    He said: UnSubs don’t stop UnSubbing; there is no decades long cooling off period, unless the UnSub is sent to to prison or was somehow disabled. If there is a pattern of women over several decades describing similar attacks, well, where there is smoke there is fire. It would be interesting to know what Cosby’s trigger was. Hotch’s buddy, Dr. Reid, posited that Cosby was prostituted by his mother to 1% motorcycle gang members when he was younger and a forgotten episode of ISpy triggered the behavior?

    I was like, what the hell is an UnSub. Dr. Reid told me it was like “Fetch” for procedural crime dramas on network TV.

    Kidding aside – actors (and successful people) are often are narcissistic, Machiavellian, and psychopathic – it is quite helpful in their careers and dealing with the media. I mean, I thought that Jennifer Lawrence was a wholesome, normal, girl next door type, when, in reality, she is just some fricken coke whore who probably went down on some member of the tribe to get her first acting gig and, in her spare time, makes amateur hardcore pron.

    Almost makes you want to drink yourself to death.

  168. @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    Alex Jones says Bill is being persecuted now because he dared to air the black community's dirty laundry, and says blacks need to get over their victim mentality and start taking responsibility and such. This, of course, does not sit well with Obama, Inc., and that is why these victims are coming out of the woodwork all of a sudden.

    FWIW.

    Jones is right.

  169. @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    Alex Jones says Bill is being persecuted now because he dared to air the black community's dirty laundry, and says blacks need to get over their victim mentality and start taking responsibility and such. This, of course, does not sit well with Obama, Inc., and that is why these victims are coming out of the woodwork all of a sudden.

    FWIW.

    Jones is right.

  170. ““In 1997 in Los Angeles, Cosby’s 27-year old son was shot in the head and killed by an 18-year old Ukranian immigrant. After that, I remember reading that Cosby’s wife openly exclaimed that she hated White people.”

    If James Caan’s son Scott Caan for example was shot in the head and killed by a Jamaican immigrant and James wife openly exclaimed that she hated Black people, she would not get a pass from the media like Bill Cosby’s wife did.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    She'd get a pass from me, as does Mrs. Cosby.
    , @David In TN
    "If James Caan's son Scott Caan for example was shot in the head and killed by a Jamaican immigrant and James wife openly exclaimed that she hated Black people, she would not get a pass from the media like Bill Cosby's wife did."

    This comparison is off for one reason. I have never heard of a parent of a white person murdered by blacks publicly declaring "I hate black people." They (sometimes) say they hate the killer, but it's never "I hate all black people because they raped and murdered my daughter."

    I've followed trials for decades and have never seen a white parent say something like Bill Cosby's wife did. On the other hand, Trayvon Martin's and Michael Brown's parents travel the country (and even the world) attacking "racist white America."

    Not to mention, the two above killings look justifiable on the evidence. And there are many, many cases of wholly innocent black people being murdered that The Community reacts to with indifference. Why? The killer was also black.
  171. @Svigor

    I would guess that blackmail is illigal to protect rich and powerfull people. To save them money and stress to pay off people that blackmail them. If someone has a dirty little secret then he has to sell it to the press or keep quiet. I guess they think that a lot of people with dirty secrets will just shut up.
     
    Additionally, blackmail is a notorious starting point for trouble. It often goes very wrong, ending in murder.

    This is why societies USED to have strong libel laws, and guys fought duels to protect their honor. You got a big block of idiots who believe ANY accusation or smear. “Where there’s smoke there’s fire” they nod sagely.
     
    I don't remember anyone ever challenging a woman to a duel for anything, false rape accusations included.

    I have no idea as to whether Cosby is guilty or not. Is there precedence for a “star” preferring to drug women and rape/molest them when presumably they would have no trouble bedding women by the hundreds without the use of drugs? Having sex with an unconscious partner doesn’t seem very appealing to me, it’s warm necrophilia!
     
    This one has appeared over and over in the thread, but isn't particularly convincing by itself. It sounds like "yeah, but he was a rich junkie, so why would he steal a key of coke?" For some people, there's never enough. Sometimes famous isn't famous enough for a given woman. Sometimes, fame isn't enough, period. I have a hard time imagining that the folks here have a hard time imagining someone in Hollywood getting too big for his britches. "Who does she think she is, telling me no? Doesn't she know who I am?" Add drugs & booze & things can get out of hand.

    None of which is to say that I care enough about the Cosby accusations to think about them extensively, or take a position.

    The drug and rape thing is a very white crime. Surprising to see Crosby go for it, if he did.
     
    Given Cosby's extraordinary attempts throughout his life to avoid "acting white," appealing to white audiences, etc., I can understand your surprise.

    Additionally, blackmail is a notorious starting point for trouble. It often goes very wrong, ending in murder.

    Wasn’t it one of the rules of old mystery/crime fiction novels that killing a blackmailer wasn’t murder?

  172. “Notice: Revenge of the Nerds was all white? Notice: The Big Bang doesn’t tend to have any blacks? Perhaps a guest star but not really much at all? See the pattern? Notice the trend?

    And that’s what we’re talkin’ bout.”

    Have you ever watched “Comic Book Men” ? It is also a geeky nerd show. None of the cast members there are Black, it features 4 White guys and 1 Asian guy. And that says a lot because we live in an era where most current modern day television shows have at least 1 Black cast member.

  173. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Steve Sailer said:

    “In 1997 in Los Angeles, Cosby’s 27-year old son was shot in the head and killed by an 18-year old Ukranian immigrant. After that, I remember reading that Cosby’s wife openly exclaimed that she hated White people.”

    Well, she had kind of a good reason at the time. It was a horrible crime. By an offramp of the 405 near Mulholland Drive.

    Cosby’s son was killed by a Ukrainian immigrant. Ukrainians are a people who leave a lot to be desired. The Ukrainian troops were the most vile when it came to brutalizing millions of German females, even young girls, after the occupation of Germany in WWII. All the Soviets and Slavs were bad. Allied forces were bad as well. The Brits were the most civilized.

    http://uncensoredhistory.blogspot.com/2012/07/brutal-rape-of-german-women-during-and.html

    • Replies: @David In TN
    From what I read at the time, Mikhail Markhaseev, Ennis Cosby's killer, identified with the Mexican gangs, not white middle class society.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Cosby’s son was killed by a Ukrainian immigrant. Ukrainians are a people who leave a lot to be desired.
     
    Instauration-- remember them?-- claimed the killer was a Ukrainian Jew. Did any more conventional news source say the same?
  174. This woman believes the truth lies in the middle, that Cosby took advantage of several women, but that others who just drank/drugged excessively whilst partying with him are jumping on the bandwagon. It is usually the way of the world.

  175. Really a lazy, sloppy, pointless post about boring celeb gossip.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Are you kidding?

    This is like watching a HuffPost convention trying to choose sides in a fight between the NRA and the Chamber of Commerce.
  176. Someone on Twitter noted the contrast between the reaction to rape allegations against Cosby versus Clinton: https://twitter.com/chrisloesch/status/535182070776365057

    Which reminded me of something else: white, liberal men I follow on Twitter (e.g., Andy Richter, whose wife’s profile describes her as “feminist as fuck”) piling on Cosby. These are the same folks who were on team Gentle Giant with Ferguson.

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
    The Social Justice Warrior consensus is 100% against Cosby.
  177. @Jefferson
    "“In 1997 in Los Angeles, Cosby’s 27-year old son was shot in the head and killed by an 18-year old Ukranian immigrant. After that, I remember reading that Cosby’s wife openly exclaimed that she hated White people.”

    If James Caan's son Scott Caan for example was shot in the head and killed by a Jamaican immigrant and James wife openly exclaimed that she hated Black people, she would not get a pass from the media like Bill Cosby's wife did.

    She’d get a pass from me, as does Mrs. Cosby.

    • Replies: @anon

    She’d get a pass from me, as does Mrs. Cosby.
     
    Mrs. Cosby herself may not be above reproach in all of this mess. nydailynews


    Lou Ferrigno's wife claims Cosby tried to force himself on her in 1967. She, along with the Cosby's and a friend of Bill's (FOB!), went to dinner on a double date...

    The two couples later returned to Cosby’s Hollywood home to shoot some pool in the basement, she recalled, when she suddenly found herself alone with Cosby.

    “He walked over to me and grabbed me and pulled me really tight to him, kissing me in the mouth really, really rough,” Ferrigno said.

    She said she pushed her attacker off and fled Cosby’s home — and that she's come to believe her date and Cosby’s own wife were in on the star’s predilections.

     

  178. @Anonymous

    Steve Sailer said:

    @E. Rekshun

    “In 1997 in Los Angeles, Cosby’s 27-year old son was shot in the head and killed by an 18-year old Ukranian immigrant. After that, I remember reading that Cosby’s wife openly exclaimed that she hated White people.”

    Well, she had kind of a good reason at the time. It was a horrible crime. By an offramp of the 405 near Mulholland Drive.
     

    Cosby's son was killed by a Ukrainian immigrant. Ukrainians are a people who leave a lot to be desired. The Ukrainian troops were the most vile when it came to brutalizing millions of German females, even young girls, after the occupation of Germany in WWII. All the Soviets and Slavs were bad. Allied forces were bad as well. The Brits were the most civilized.

    http://uncensoredhistory.blogspot.com/2012/07/brutal-rape-of-german-women-during-and.html

    From what I read at the time, Mikhail Markhaseev, Ennis Cosby’s killer, identified with the Mexican gangs, not white middle class society.

  179. @Anonymous

    Steve Sailer said:

    @E. Rekshun

    “In 1997 in Los Angeles, Cosby’s 27-year old son was shot in the head and killed by an 18-year old Ukranian immigrant. After that, I remember reading that Cosby’s wife openly exclaimed that she hated White people.”

    Well, she had kind of a good reason at the time. It was a horrible crime. By an offramp of the 405 near Mulholland Drive.
     

    Cosby's son was killed by a Ukrainian immigrant. Ukrainians are a people who leave a lot to be desired. The Ukrainian troops were the most vile when it came to brutalizing millions of German females, even young girls, after the occupation of Germany in WWII. All the Soviets and Slavs were bad. Allied forces were bad as well. The Brits were the most civilized.

    http://uncensoredhistory.blogspot.com/2012/07/brutal-rape-of-german-women-during-and.html

    Cosby’s son was killed by a Ukrainian immigrant. Ukrainians are a people who leave a lot to be desired.

    Instauration– remember them?– claimed the killer was a Ukrainian Jew. Did any more conventional news source say the same?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Wasn't he driving a really expensive car that night he was killed? Reminds me of Michael Jordan's dad. His situation was similar. There was also the quite recent case of a Jewish lawyer in New Jersey who was killed at a shopping mall for his expensive vehicle.

    Perhaps it is better not to make it obvious you have money.
  180. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    So how exactly does blackmail work?

    Consider the following. You are an author. You are about to publish an unauthorized autobiography of a very big name star. You have some very embarrassing personal details in your book.

    1) The star, or his intermediaries, contact you and ASK you not to publish the ‘dirt’. You are offered some incentive, a large sum of cash, or some other plum, in exchange for not doing so. You accept. Now is this blackmail? You never approached the star, directly or indirectly. He approached YOU. You had every intention of publishing the information. The star pleaded with you not to do so and he/she was the one who volunteered the alternative compensation if you listened to him/her. Whether out of pity or greed, or both, you accept and deleted the embarrassing, offending, damaging passes in the book.

    Now is THIS blackmail?

  181. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Cosby’s son was killed by a Ukrainian immigrant. Ukrainians are a people who leave a lot to be desired.
     
    Instauration-- remember them?-- claimed the killer was a Ukrainian Jew. Did any more conventional news source say the same?

    Wasn’t he driving a really expensive car that night he was killed? Reminds me of Michael Jordan’s dad. His situation was similar. There was also the quite recent case of a Jewish lawyer in New Jersey who was killed at a shopping mall for his expensive vehicle.

    Perhaps it is better not to make it obvious you have money.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Carjacking was a very scary plague that emerged in Los Angeles around 1990 and seems to have died out by 2000 or so. I don't know exactly why it went away but presumably the citizenry made very clear that they wanted the LAPD to stomp it out.
    , @whorefinder

    Wasn’t he driving a really expensive car that night he was killed? Reminds me of Michael Jordan’s dad. His situation was similar. There was also the quite recent case of a Jewish lawyer in New Jersey who was killed at a shopping mall for his expensive vehicle.

    Perhaps it is better not to make it obvious you have money.
     
    Or, better yet, not to have a gambling problem, or a famous son with one.

    Michael Jordan famously "retired" from basketball for a few years in his prime and became a minor league baseball player. The idea still boggles the mind today. Jordan claimed it was because he had lost the desire to play; notably, his father had just been murdered a few months before his retirement. He proceeded to join the baseball organization owned by the same man who owned his former basketball team.

    It was only a few years later he came back out of retirement, joining his old basketball team (still owned by the same guy) and started winning titles again.

    Now Bill Simmons has made a lot of this. He has noted that Jordan has always been a notorious gambler, gambling to calm down before playoff games, and even gambling on which suitcase will come out first. He has long claimed that Jordan's retirement was actually a secret suspension by the NBA because they had discovered Jordan was gambling on the games, but didn't want to ruin both the NBA's image and the name of their biggest star ever, so they got him to agree to a fake retirement.

    What if Jordan's father's murder was part of that gambling problem, or maybe his own? It's never been really clear why two teenagers picked MJ's father as a target----besides apparent stupidity. But what if they had been egged on by, ahem, some people seeking their vig? Or maybe had the crime pinned on them after, ahem, some guys in shiny suits handed Mr. Jordan's cellphone to them?

    The "random carjacking/robbery" angle in these cases could be the "died while trying to escape/committed suicide" motif so many military prisoners seem to fall prey to. Ennis Cosby always struck me as another example of some random crime happening to someone way-too-famous's son. Odds seemed against it, unless it was a cover.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Perhaps it is better not to make it obvious you have money.
     
    And not just due to crime. Paul Fussell wrote in Class that the visible upper class (as opposed to the invisible upper upper class) preferred to drive Buicks. They are just as good as Caddys, but a whole lot less obvious.

    There's probably a vestige of ancestral Puritanism, or Quakerism, in this attitude as well.
  182. @Anonymous
    Wasn't he driving a really expensive car that night he was killed? Reminds me of Michael Jordan's dad. His situation was similar. There was also the quite recent case of a Jewish lawyer in New Jersey who was killed at a shopping mall for his expensive vehicle.

    Perhaps it is better not to make it obvious you have money.

    Carjacking was a very scary plague that emerged in Los Angeles around 1990 and seems to have died out by 2000 or so. I don’t know exactly why it went away but presumably the citizenry made very clear that they wanted the LAPD to stomp it out.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Maybe the spread of cell phones over that time period had some impact?
    , @Anonymous
    A 72-year old white woman was car-jacked, raped and killed (stabbed) just last week in Berkeley. She had a Honda Civic. From her looks, it seemed she might have been the type who would have been sympathetic, over the course of her life, to the exact kind of cretin who killed her.
  183. @Steve Sailer
    Carjacking was a very scary plague that emerged in Los Angeles around 1990 and seems to have died out by 2000 or so. I don't know exactly why it went away but presumably the citizenry made very clear that they wanted the LAPD to stomp it out.

    Maybe the spread of cell phones over that time period had some impact?

  184. In the end, this is a classic example of a bunch of devils fighting. Who cares who wins? It’s a shame they can’t all lose.

  185. @Jefferson
    "A few days ago again a asian looking person was pushed under the the train in the subway in NYC by a black perperator. Does anybody how many of thise cases (black pushung asian under the train) have happened in NYC and the USA in the last years?"

    I don't know about New York City but in San Francisco and Oakland, Black on Asian crimes are extremely common yet they are almost never charged as hate crimes.

    But if the perpetuators committing these crimes against Asians were White and not Black, I have no doubt there would be a political push in the Bay Area to classify them as hate crimes.

    Left wing Asian Americans tolerate Black thuggery against their people, but their heads would explode with anger if it was White people doing this to them.

    Left wing Asian Americans tolerate Black thuggery against their people, but their heads would explode with anger if it was White people doing this to them.qaz.qaz

    Because, galling as such attacks may be, they know the real enemy is whitey and my enemies enemy is my friend, sort of.

  186. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @candid_observer
    I just can't even begin to see the argument that Cosby isn't guilty of these crimes given the evidence, and I'm astonished Steve would lend it even a shred of credibility.

    To begin with, what do the women who are now accusing him of rape stand to gain by doing so? They can't be blackmailing him, because, to restate the earlier point, they are making the charges public.

    And consider the sheer quantity of women who have come forward -- over a dozen by now, I gather, and presumably all or most of them had a real connection to him. Can anybody think of a like case of so many people making such accusations with little or nothing to gain by doing so? I don't exactly see the UFO as similar, because all kinds of things can seem like UFOs, but very few things seem like going unconscious after a single drink and then waking up with semen on your panties--and you're not accusing someone of a crime when you claim to have seen a UFO.

    What strikes me as the interesting angle on this case is how and why it didn't become a big deal until just recently. I do think that identity politics has everything to do with why Cosby was so much protected before, and why he is being abandoned now. Earlier, he traded on his iconic status as America's best black dad (identity politics), but now he is being abandoned because he has railed too long about the responsibility blacks have for their own circumstances (new, enhanced identity politics). Also, the precipitating event of the current outrage was that he was pilloried by another black comic for being a rapist, which offered cover for whites who would attack Cosby for his unwelcome politics (more new, enhanced identity politics).

    > They can’t be blackmailing him, because, to restate the earlier point, they are making the charges public.

    Attention, money (from media, or accused et. al. not-to-damage accused’s image *anymore*). Maybe they aren’t blackmailing him, but they blackmailed him already and he did not pay, or paid some but they kept blackmailing, and this is just delivering on the threats of disclosure. And again attention, it deserves another mention. Or just proclaiming to herself or to others that she used to screw celebrities. Some may be bandwagoning. Some of the accusers may be not-right in the head in many different ways (mythomania, erotomania, munchausen syndrome, …). There are quite some possibilities.

  187. @Anonymous
    Wasn't he driving a really expensive car that night he was killed? Reminds me of Michael Jordan's dad. His situation was similar. There was also the quite recent case of a Jewish lawyer in New Jersey who was killed at a shopping mall for his expensive vehicle.

    Perhaps it is better not to make it obvious you have money.

    Wasn’t he driving a really expensive car that night he was killed? Reminds me of Michael Jordan’s dad. His situation was similar. There was also the quite recent case of a Jewish lawyer in New Jersey who was killed at a shopping mall for his expensive vehicle.

    Perhaps it is better not to make it obvious you have money.

    Or, better yet, not to have a gambling problem, or a famous son with one.

    Michael Jordan famously “retired” from basketball for a few years in his prime and became a minor league baseball player. The idea still boggles the mind today. Jordan claimed it was because he had lost the desire to play; notably, his father had just been murdered a few months before his retirement. He proceeded to join the baseball organization owned by the same man who owned his former basketball team.

    It was only a few years later he came back out of retirement, joining his old basketball team (still owned by the same guy) and started winning titles again.

    Now Bill Simmons has made a lot of this. He has noted that Jordan has always been a notorious gambler, gambling to calm down before playoff games, and even gambling on which suitcase will come out first. He has long claimed that Jordan’s retirement was actually a secret suspension by the NBA because they had discovered Jordan was gambling on the games, but didn’t want to ruin both the NBA’s image and the name of their biggest star ever, so they got him to agree to a fake retirement.

    What if Jordan’s father’s murder was part of that gambling problem, or maybe his own? It’s never been really clear why two teenagers picked MJ’s father as a target—-besides apparent stupidity. But what if they had been egged on by, ahem, some people seeking their vig? Or maybe had the crime pinned on them after, ahem, some guys in shiny suits handed Mr. Jordan’s cellphone to them?

    The “random carjacking/robbery” angle in these cases could be the “died while trying to escape/committed suicide” motif so many military prisoners seem to fall prey to. Ennis Cosby always struck me as another example of some random crime happening to someone way-too-famous’s son. Odds seemed against it, unless it was a cover.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    There are rumors about a golfer (no, not that one) needing a gigantic bailout from gambling debts.
    , @Rapparee
    I'm pretty sure Mr. Jordan's return to basketball had something to do with space aliens, cartoon characters, and a golf green that ate people, though I'm hazy on the details.
  188. @whorefinder

    Wasn’t he driving a really expensive car that night he was killed? Reminds me of Michael Jordan’s dad. His situation was similar. There was also the quite recent case of a Jewish lawyer in New Jersey who was killed at a shopping mall for his expensive vehicle.

    Perhaps it is better not to make it obvious you have money.
     
    Or, better yet, not to have a gambling problem, or a famous son with one.

    Michael Jordan famously "retired" from basketball for a few years in his prime and became a minor league baseball player. The idea still boggles the mind today. Jordan claimed it was because he had lost the desire to play; notably, his father had just been murdered a few months before his retirement. He proceeded to join the baseball organization owned by the same man who owned his former basketball team.

    It was only a few years later he came back out of retirement, joining his old basketball team (still owned by the same guy) and started winning titles again.

    Now Bill Simmons has made a lot of this. He has noted that Jordan has always been a notorious gambler, gambling to calm down before playoff games, and even gambling on which suitcase will come out first. He has long claimed that Jordan's retirement was actually a secret suspension by the NBA because they had discovered Jordan was gambling on the games, but didn't want to ruin both the NBA's image and the name of their biggest star ever, so they got him to agree to a fake retirement.

    What if Jordan's father's murder was part of that gambling problem, or maybe his own? It's never been really clear why two teenagers picked MJ's father as a target----besides apparent stupidity. But what if they had been egged on by, ahem, some people seeking their vig? Or maybe had the crime pinned on them after, ahem, some guys in shiny suits handed Mr. Jordan's cellphone to them?

    The "random carjacking/robbery" angle in these cases could be the "died while trying to escape/committed suicide" motif so many military prisoners seem to fall prey to. Ennis Cosby always struck me as another example of some random crime happening to someone way-too-famous's son. Odds seemed against it, unless it was a cover.

    There are rumors about a golfer (no, not that one) needing a gigantic bailout from gambling debts.

  189. @Robbie
    The first two commentators are actually taking Cosby's side and putting the women down.

    Wow, ok. Have you Ever Been to Hollywood? It's a scary place, and you don't piss powerful people off.

    I don't remember you guys saying that about the boy fucking of the X-Men director....was that 'infantilization of young boys'

    Screw you guys. Stop reading Roissy. Sometimes bad men do things to women.

    Yes, but after years of feminist rage, we just don’t care. Chivalry’s dead, my friend, and they killed it.

  190. @Udolpho
    Really a lazy, sloppy, pointless post about boring celeb gossip.

    Are you kidding?

    This is like watching a HuffPost convention trying to choose sides in a fight between the NRA and the Chamber of Commerce.

  191. What if Jordan’s father’s murder was part of that gambling problem, or maybe his own? It’s never been really clear why two teenagers picked MJ’s father as a target—-besides apparent stupidity.

  192. What if Jordan’s father’s murder was part of that gambling problem, or maybe his own? It’s never been really clear why two teenagers picked MJ’s father as a target—-besides apparent stupidity.

    The two who killed Michael Jordan’s father were as dumb as bricks, there’s no conspiracy there. One was a Lumbee Indian, the other a black “youth” who turned to Islam in prison.

    They were caught because they stuck out like a sore thumb driving the stolen luxury car around their small home town, while also showing off expensive jewelry. No one would have enlisted them for any coordinated “hit”.

  193. @Peter Akuleyev
    When I was a kid in the late 70s/early 80s, the iconic black men in pop culture for our generation were Bill Cosby , Michael Jackson, and OJ Simpson. Looking at what we know now about these paragons it is maybe not surprising that my generation is starting to get a little cynical about race relations.

    When I was a kid in the late 70s/early 80s, the iconic black men in pop culture for our generation were Bill Cosby , Michael Jackson, and OJ Simpson.

    You seem to have forgotten the most famous man in the world; then and probably still today.

    • Replies: @josh
    Willie Tyler ( and Lester)?
  194. @Dahlia
    But then there's Andrea Constand the basketball player who looks so...virginal. And non-Hollywood. Especially non-Hollywood.
    I showed that picture of her by the ledge and my husband let out some sound that was horror, disgust, and shock all mixed together.
    Not to be dismissive of the others in any way, but that one was like beating a little puppy. Yet, she was the most fearless of the bunch for reasons Steve and any halfway astute person can figure out.
    See Daily Mail Andrea Constand

    Gen Xer here. All that pre-Cosby show stuff was news to me.

    When I was a kid in the late 70s/early 80s, the iconic black men in pop culture for our generation were Bill Cosby , Michael Jackson, and OJ Simpson.

    She looks virginal to you? Where do you live, Tijuana?

    Very few things surprise me about this board, hence, I took 2 years off as I knew I wasn’t missing anything, but the reaction of the posters here has thrown me for a loop; let me see if I understand:

    You hate snotty bitches who would never fuck you, for like, wanting equal rights and shit…

    You hate practically all “N-s” for, well, having African heritage….

    However in this case you take the side of the latter, which leads me to believe you REALLY, REALLY, HATE BITCHES.

    Bill Cosby has had a terrible reputation in the black community for a long-long time, I was hearing these stories over 20 years ago in LA.

    • Replies: @Dahlia
    Truth,
    You read me 180 degrees off. I don't think you saw her picture as "virginal" is a euphemism that one look at her pictures explains.

    As far as the other stuff, you do describe accurately a few of the commenters here. They are exactly, Exactly!, like the white liberals who rush to embrace a black versus white confrontation and always on the side of the black person...and 9 times our of 10 will see it blow up in their faces. Black on black violence doesn't interest them or engage their animal spirits. And so it is with the misogynist Rightist. He will continue to be angered and shocked that women older and less good looking than a supermodel in her prime gets catcalled. Rape happens only to children and old ladies because these are the only females capable of sympathy for him.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Hold it hold it. Bill Cosby has a terrible reputation in the black community? How so? Tons of money check. Fooling around, check? No, not seeing why they don't like him.

    Oh, the hypocrite angle perhaps. Calling out others for what he essentially does in private life.

    What is interesting is which individuals the black community tends to collectively anoint as role models and heroes, such as Travyon, Michael Brown, Tookie Williams, Mamul Mumia Jamal, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, etc.

    Noticing a pattern?

    But Cosby? Nah, that hypocrite? Wheras if he would just learn to keep it real and stuff, he'd be just fine. Probably as much a role model as Sharpton and Jackson (one a tax dodger the other an adulterer/jailbird).

    Yep, there does tend to be a consistent pattern as to which individuals the community tends to annoint as an official role model and hero.

    Just wait til the verdict is publicly read. Getting ready to take to the streets and protest on behalf of their hero/role model.

    , @Rifleman

    Very few things surprise me about this board, hence, I took 2 years off as I knew I wasn’t missing anything,
     
    There are plenty of dummies commenting but don't be so full of yourself. There are people on here brighter than you who make interesting points.

    Consider linking to particular commenters and then reading Steve's posts and then going to their comment archives.

    Jefferson is one of the best newer posters.

    That guy Rifleman/DYork I find to be brilliant.

    Camlost is pretty good for a southerner.

    There are quite a few from non White male back grounds. Some a bit out there but interesting.

    There are some Asians, even black females if you can believe it.

    Steve is willing to let through many questionable posters which is preferable to basically sterilizing the board of provocative people.

    We all know the one guy on here and other alt-right sites is the Alpha - Creep and that's "whiskey".

    The problem I have with some commenters is that they can start to make an interesting point and then go into a lunatic rant. Sort of like Cosby, a Dr Huxtable/Mr Hyde combination where you start off respecting and trusting and then you wake up having been raped.
    , @Anonymous
    "Let me see if I understand".

    You clearly understand nothing. Take another two years off. Nobody will miss you.
  195. The carjacking of Ennis Cosby by a Ukrainian seemed like a hit. Cosby got on the wrong side of something. He clearly pissed off everyone. And the similarities with the murder of Michael Jordan’s father. If it looks like a duck and quacks like one; those were hits.

    The somewhat well-known conspiracist Dave McGowan writes a lot about murder in Hollywood and Laurel Canyon. (Spoiler: He also makes the case that the moon landing was staged.) But in either case, murder for hire is a phone call away, if one knows the right people. Hollywood, the NBA, Ukrainian guns. I also recall reading that the Ennis Cosby murderer was jewish. Does it matter?

    As for Cosby, did he do it? Yeah he bedded lots of girls. Yeah he looks like a dirty old man. Yeah he’s black and he is angry. And yeah (and most of all), playing the part of the black man in a white suit didn’t work out.

    **********

    But to get into the details of the case is getting to be beside the point. Accusations of rape (and roofies no less) without a police report, without medical records, … ho hum okay.

    Sex and violence, they kind of go together. If they are not mitigated and mediated in a lasting relationship between adults (traditionally known as marriage), the resulting ambiguity and confusion is problematic. So the feminists are right that it is a huge issue. But their take on it can not be the last word.

    In looking at any particular particulars, then; questions of malfeasance and character and damages, become twisted and non-sensical when the they are considered under the umbrella of, “Was it rape?” It was some dirty-ass sex between Hollywood people, and it did not involve much love, and some of it was inter-racial, and there were drugs involved.

  196. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I always thought that Bill Cosby, facially, had a remarkable resemblance to a warthog, or at least a ‘road hog’ from those old Dunlop tire commercials.

    Other than a large endowment, ( monetary, of course), and being drugged out of one’s mind, I can’t see the attraction women had or had not, as they claim, for Cosby.

  197. @whorefinder

    Wasn’t he driving a really expensive car that night he was killed? Reminds me of Michael Jordan’s dad. His situation was similar. There was also the quite recent case of a Jewish lawyer in New Jersey who was killed at a shopping mall for his expensive vehicle.

    Perhaps it is better not to make it obvious you have money.
     
    Or, better yet, not to have a gambling problem, or a famous son with one.

    Michael Jordan famously "retired" from basketball for a few years in his prime and became a minor league baseball player. The idea still boggles the mind today. Jordan claimed it was because he had lost the desire to play; notably, his father had just been murdered a few months before his retirement. He proceeded to join the baseball organization owned by the same man who owned his former basketball team.

    It was only a few years later he came back out of retirement, joining his old basketball team (still owned by the same guy) and started winning titles again.

    Now Bill Simmons has made a lot of this. He has noted that Jordan has always been a notorious gambler, gambling to calm down before playoff games, and even gambling on which suitcase will come out first. He has long claimed that Jordan's retirement was actually a secret suspension by the NBA because they had discovered Jordan was gambling on the games, but didn't want to ruin both the NBA's image and the name of their biggest star ever, so they got him to agree to a fake retirement.

    What if Jordan's father's murder was part of that gambling problem, or maybe his own? It's never been really clear why two teenagers picked MJ's father as a target----besides apparent stupidity. But what if they had been egged on by, ahem, some people seeking their vig? Or maybe had the crime pinned on them after, ahem, some guys in shiny suits handed Mr. Jordan's cellphone to them?

    The "random carjacking/robbery" angle in these cases could be the "died while trying to escape/committed suicide" motif so many military prisoners seem to fall prey to. Ennis Cosby always struck me as another example of some random crime happening to someone way-too-famous's son. Odds seemed against it, unless it was a cover.

    I’m pretty sure Mr. Jordan’s return to basketball had something to do with space aliens, cartoon characters, and a golf green that ate people, though I’m hazy on the details.

  198. Dahlia says:
    @Truth

    When I was a kid in the late 70s/early 80s, the iconic black men in pop culture for our generation were Bill Cosby , Michael Jackson, and OJ Simpson.
     
    She looks virginal to you? Where do you live, Tijuana?

    Very few things surprise me about this board, hence, I took 2 years off as I knew I wasn't missing anything, but the reaction of the posters here has thrown me for a loop; let me see if I understand:

    You hate snotty bitches who would never fuck you, for like, wanting equal rights and shit...

    You hate practically all "N-s" for, well, having African heritage....

    However in this case you take the side of the latter, which leads me to believe you REALLY, REALLY, HATE BITCHES.

    Bill Cosby has had a terrible reputation in the black community for a long-long time, I was hearing these stories over 20 years ago in LA.

    Truth,
    You read me 180 degrees off. I don’t think you saw her picture as “virginal” is a euphemism that one look at her pictures explains.

    As far as the other stuff, you do describe accurately a few of the commenters here. They are exactly, Exactly!, like the white liberals who rush to embrace a black versus white confrontation and always on the side of the black person…and 9 times our of 10 will see it blow up in their faces. Black on black violence doesn’t interest them or engage their animal spirits. And so it is with the misogynist Rightist. He will continue to be angered and shocked that women older and less good looking than a supermodel in her prime gets catcalled. Rape happens only to children and old ladies because these are the only females capable of sympathy for him.

  199. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Carjacking was a very scary plague that emerged in Los Angeles around 1990 and seems to have died out by 2000 or so. I don't know exactly why it went away but presumably the citizenry made very clear that they wanted the LAPD to stomp it out.

    A 72-year old white woman was car-jacked, raped and killed (stabbed) just last week in Berkeley. She had a Honda Civic. From her looks, it seemed she might have been the type who would have been sympathetic, over the course of her life, to the exact kind of cretin who killed her.

  200. “Also, the “Cosby never worked blue” meme doesn’t jibe with my memories.” The theme music for the orginal Bill Cosby Show was called “Hikky Burr.” Hikky Burr was a euphemism for masturbation in the black culture of the late 60′s.

  201. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:
    @Robbie
    The first two commentators are actually taking Cosby's side and putting the women down.

    Wow, ok. Have you Ever Been to Hollywood? It's a scary place, and you don't piss powerful people off.

    I don't remember you guys saying that about the boy fucking of the X-Men director....was that 'infantilization of young boys'

    Screw you guys. Stop reading Roissy. Sometimes bad men do things to women.

    LOL, you don’t seem to understand Steve Sailer’s hierarchy of grievances. In this case, Cos is the beleaguered middle aged male, so he takes Cos’s side in the matter.

    Most of the woman-hating dicks here will be too lazy to read this article, but I offer it anyway, because it contains a good description of the molestation of the virginal looking Andrea Constand:

    http://www.phillymag.com/articles/dr-huxtable-mr-hyde/

    Constand was not in show biz and did not do anything to bring on what happened to her. She went to the home (not a hotel room) of someone who had posed as a mentor for two years. It is true that some of the women who are accusing him of rape did things that were ill advised – but he DRUGGED them. In what universe is this excusable? Here, I guess.

    BTW, Cosby actually GAVE an interview to National Enquirer in 2005. Who gives an interview to a rag like the Enquirer?? Someone who is being truly blackmailed. National Enquirer knew the truth about Cosby so he gave them an interview to keep them on his good side. In that interview, he continued to dig a hole and defamed Constand, which forced her to bring another suit against Cosby and his lawyer.

    Altogether Constand was forced to bring two civil actions against this creep. All because she trusted him enough to go to his home for some fatherly advice.

    To say to Sailer, and his dittoheads, “You ought to be ashamed of yourselves” is a waste of space. Haters gonna hate, and creeps gonna be creeps. Just don’t wonder why everybody hates you.

    • Replies: @Hard Line Realist

    To say to Sailer, and his dittoheads, “You ought to be ashamed of yourselves” is a waste of space. Haters gonna hate, and creeps gonna be creeps. Just don’t wonder why everybody hates you.
     
    You seem to be a very bitter person. Do you get out much?
    , @Rifleman

    To say to Sailer, and his dittoheads, “You ought to be ashamed of yourselves” is a waste of space. Haters gonna hate, and creeps gonna be creeps. Just don’t wonder why everybody hates you.
     
    It's a test for a lot of these White guys - which do they hate more, liberals, "cultural marxists", White women or black guys?

    Steam starts to come out of their ears with that choice. Generally speaking since sexual resentment and frustration is their dominant frustration probably White women are going to receive very little sympathy.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Give Steve a break. All he did was fairly report the story from both sides. Although, to be fair, if this story had been about, say, Malcolm Gladwell, for instance, then that's an entirely different ballgame. Don't know if we'd see the balanced and nuanced interpretations on the events if Malcolm suddenly found himself caught in the middle of a scandal with these kinds of details.

    And, where is it written that the top 1% can't ever exhibit horrible behaviors in their personal lives? This is where HBD and IQ will have to concede to a bit of bias. Yes, the top IQ as well as the top income earners have in fact committed actions that would be more suited to the left side of the curve. But, it has happened over time, and not just a couple of isolated incidents. Are they the majority? Of course not. Are they a higher percentage than one would think, say, around 5-10%? Definitely.

    Let's not be so quick to, uh, whitewash the top 1% in income and IQ. Weasels, scumbags, rapists, etc exist no matter the curve side one is on.

    But then, look at how quickly people defended Jameis Winston and Jerramy Stevens. The NCAA, like Hollywood, must continue unmolested from doing what comes naturally.
    , @Anonymous
    Except there's no indication of Sailer "taking Cosby's side" here. From what I can gather from his post and comments, he was a fan of Cosby's comedy decades ago, and seems to think that Cosby was a creep who used his fame, celebrity, and power to bed lots of women. He doesn't seem to be taking a firm position on the exact mechanics of many of those carnal encounters, but at minimum he seems to think that Cosby was a creep who used his fame, celebrity, and power to bed lots of minimum.
    , @Suburban_elk

    It is true that some of the women who are accusing him of rape did things that were ill advised – but he DRUGGED them. In what universe is this excusable? Here, I guess.
     
    Where did someone say that drugging a person (without their knowledge), is excusable?

    Oh, in your head someone said that.

    What someone said in your head doesn't count. You actually have to point out the words that they said or wrote. If you are unwilling to do that, make a retraction.

    Let's keep this on a level plain. Rape is a sensitive subject. It is a crime. And as a crime, it needs evidence. "She said" is not evidence. People lie, all the time.

    And unless you point out where someone said that drugging someone (without their knowledge) was excusable, you were mis-representing the contents of this discussion. And while your misrepresentation is not, to my knowledge, libel because you did not name a specific real person, it is a misstatement and a lie (and an example of hysteria).

    And but why should there need be evidence.

  202. @WhatEvvs
    LOL, you don't seem to understand Steve Sailer's hierarchy of grievances. In this case, Cos is the beleaguered middle aged male, so he takes Cos's side in the matter.

    Most of the woman-hating dicks here will be too lazy to read this article, but I offer it anyway, because it contains a good description of the molestation of the virginal looking Andrea Constand:

    http://www.phillymag.com/articles/dr-huxtable-mr-hyde/

    Constand was not in show biz and did not do anything to bring on what happened to her. She went to the home (not a hotel room) of someone who had posed as a mentor for two years. It is true that some of the women who are accusing him of rape did things that were ill advised - but he DRUGGED them. In what universe is this excusable? Here, I guess.

    BTW, Cosby actually GAVE an interview to National Enquirer in 2005. Who gives an interview to a rag like the Enquirer?? Someone who is being truly blackmailed. National Enquirer knew the truth about Cosby so he gave them an interview to keep them on his good side. In that interview, he continued to dig a hole and defamed Constand, which forced her to bring another suit against Cosby and his lawyer.

    Altogether Constand was forced to bring two civil actions against this creep. All because she trusted him enough to go to his home for some fatherly advice.

    To say to Sailer, and his dittoheads, "You ought to be ashamed of yourselves" is a waste of space. Haters gonna hate, and creeps gonna be creeps. Just don't wonder why everybody hates you.

    To say to Sailer, and his dittoheads, “You ought to be ashamed of yourselves” is a waste of space. Haters gonna hate, and creeps gonna be creeps. Just don’t wonder why everybody hates you.

    You seem to be a very bitter person. Do you get out much?

  203. @Steve Sailer
    "In 1997 in Los Angeles, Cosby’s 27-year old son was shot in the head and killed by an 18-year old Ukranian immigrant. After that, I remember reading that Cosby’s wife openly exclaimed that she hated White people."

    Well, she had kind of a good reason at the time. It was a horrible crime. By an offramp of the 405 near Mulholland Drive.

    “In 1997 in Los Angeles, Cosby’s 27-year old son was shot in the head and killed by an 18-year old Ukranian immigrant. After that, I remember reading that Cosby’s wife openly exclaimed that she hated White people.”

    Well, she had kind of a good reason at the time. It was a horrible crime. By an offramp of the 405 near Mulholland Drive.

    Really? So actress Kelly MacGillis has a right to hate blacks because she was home invasion raped by a black male?

    How about actress Fran Drescher, home invasion raped by a black male while her husband was tied up and forced to watch.

    Or actor Kelsey Grammer, his sister was abducted gang raped and murdered by black males.

    Any of these White people have “kind of a good reason”?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Sure.
    , @Anonymous
    To say nothing of the legions of other white victims of black crime.
    , @dcite
    Yeah. So many more Whites than Blacks have "good reason" to hate the other race, if you're going by violence done. Vastly more, for the past several generations.
  204. @Rifleman

    “In 1997 in Los Angeles, Cosby’s 27-year old son was shot in the head and killed by an 18-year old Ukranian immigrant. After that, I remember reading that Cosby’s wife openly exclaimed that she hated White people.”

    Well, she had kind of a good reason at the time. It was a horrible crime. By an offramp of the 405 near Mulholland Drive.
     
    Really? So actress Kelly MacGillis has a right to hate blacks because she was home invasion raped by a black male?

    How about actress Fran Drescher, home invasion raped by a black male while her husband was tied up and forced to watch.

    Or actor Kelsey Grammer, his sister was abducted gang raped and murdered by black males.

    Any of these White people have "kind of a good reason"?

    Sure.

  205. @WhatEvvs
    LOL, you don't seem to understand Steve Sailer's hierarchy of grievances. In this case, Cos is the beleaguered middle aged male, so he takes Cos's side in the matter.

    Most of the woman-hating dicks here will be too lazy to read this article, but I offer it anyway, because it contains a good description of the molestation of the virginal looking Andrea Constand:

    http://www.phillymag.com/articles/dr-huxtable-mr-hyde/

    Constand was not in show biz and did not do anything to bring on what happened to her. She went to the home (not a hotel room) of someone who had posed as a mentor for two years. It is true that some of the women who are accusing him of rape did things that were ill advised - but he DRUGGED them. In what universe is this excusable? Here, I guess.

    BTW, Cosby actually GAVE an interview to National Enquirer in 2005. Who gives an interview to a rag like the Enquirer?? Someone who is being truly blackmailed. National Enquirer knew the truth about Cosby so he gave them an interview to keep them on his good side. In that interview, he continued to dig a hole and defamed Constand, which forced her to bring another suit against Cosby and his lawyer.

    Altogether Constand was forced to bring two civil actions against this creep. All because she trusted him enough to go to his home for some fatherly advice.

    To say to Sailer, and his dittoheads, "You ought to be ashamed of yourselves" is a waste of space. Haters gonna hate, and creeps gonna be creeps. Just don't wonder why everybody hates you.

    To say to Sailer, and his dittoheads, “You ought to be ashamed of yourselves” is a waste of space. Haters gonna hate, and creeps gonna be creeps. Just don’t wonder why everybody hates you.

    It’s a test for a lot of these White guys – which do they hate more, liberals, “cultural marxists”, White women or black guys?

    Steam starts to come out of their ears with that choice. Generally speaking since sexual resentment and frustration is their dominant frustration probably White women are going to receive very little sympathy.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    You can say that frustration exists across the board regardless of ideology. Some of the biggest sexists are leftists, Marxists, environmentalists, even gays to an extent. So let's be consistent here. Its not an ideology thing, its a male thing.

    There are no easy answers. The best that we all can do is learn, evolve, and move on. Thankfully, most women don't band together and collectively blame all men in the same way that other minorities have done.
    , @josh
    Yer a moron and ya blaming the victim.
  206. @Truth

    When I was a kid in the late 70s/early 80s, the iconic black men in pop culture for our generation were Bill Cosby , Michael Jackson, and OJ Simpson.
     
    She looks virginal to you? Where do you live, Tijuana?

    Very few things surprise me about this board, hence, I took 2 years off as I knew I wasn't missing anything, but the reaction of the posters here has thrown me for a loop; let me see if I understand:

    You hate snotty bitches who would never fuck you, for like, wanting equal rights and shit...

    You hate practically all "N-s" for, well, having African heritage....

    However in this case you take the side of the latter, which leads me to believe you REALLY, REALLY, HATE BITCHES.

    Bill Cosby has had a terrible reputation in the black community for a long-long time, I was hearing these stories over 20 years ago in LA.

    Hold it hold it. Bill Cosby has a terrible reputation in the black community? How so? Tons of money check. Fooling around, check? No, not seeing why they don’t like him.

    Oh, the hypocrite angle perhaps. Calling out others for what he essentially does in private life.

    What is interesting is which individuals the black community tends to collectively anoint as role models and heroes, such as Travyon, Michael Brown, Tookie Williams, Mamul Mumia Jamal, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, etc.

    Noticing a pattern?

    But Cosby? Nah, that hypocrite? Wheras if he would just learn to keep it real and stuff, he’d be just fine. Probably as much a role model as Sharpton and Jackson (one a tax dodger the other an adulterer/jailbird).

    Yep, there does tend to be a consistent pattern as to which individuals the community tends to annoint as an official role model and hero.

    Just wait til the verdict is publicly read. Getting ready to take to the streets and protest on behalf of their hero/role model.

    • Replies: @Truth

    "Hold it hold it. Bill Cosby has a terrible reputation in the black community? How so? Tons of money check. Fooling around, check? No, not seeing why they don’t like him.

    Oh, the hypocrite angle perhaps. Calling out others for what he essentially does in private life.
     
    I know three people who know Bill Cosby personally and not one of them has ANYTHING positive to say about him. His "reputation" with the ladies was well known in the LA black community years before these stories came out, from what I've heard, his reputation is that of a miserable, miserable man.

    What is interesting is which individuals the black community tends to collectively anoint as role models and heroes, such as Travyon, Michael Brown, Tookie Williams, Mamul Mumia Jamal, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, etc.
     
    To quote one of your heroes; "Oh now there you go again..."

    Did you ever think for just a second that these so called "black role models" are more white media creations? Let me give you a subtle hint; THEY ARE.

    I had a conversation with a white, Army Command Sargent a few weeks ago in which he bought up "black spokesmen like Jesse and Al." I told him that both men have been practically non entities in "the black community" for at least 20 years. He was dumbfounded

    "But Cosby? Nah, that hypocrite? Wheras if he would just learn to keep it real and stuff, he’d be just fine."

    He did, to borrow your snark, "learn to keep it real" the way I understand the term; he is under suspicion of multiple rapes."

    "Probably as much a role model as Sharpton and Jackson (one a tax dodger the other an adulterer/jailbird)."

    Oh, and their they appear! I swear on a stack of bibles, I am answering your post in sequence as I read.

    Yep, there does tend to be a consistent pattern as to which individuals the community tends to annoint as an official role model and hero.
     
    Whom have the individuals in your "community" annointed as official role models and heroes?"


    Just wait til the verdict is publicly read. Getting ready to take to the streets and protest on behalf of their hero/role model.
     
    I'll answer this one in Haiku as a brain triggering device keeping in mind "your" heritage:

    The response tepid
    As passed with white Hispanic
    But fools do not learn


    I
  207. @WhatEvvs
    LOL, you don't seem to understand Steve Sailer's hierarchy of grievances. In this case, Cos is the beleaguered middle aged male, so he takes Cos's side in the matter.

    Most of the woman-hating dicks here will be too lazy to read this article, but I offer it anyway, because it contains a good description of the molestation of the virginal looking Andrea Constand:

    http://www.phillymag.com/articles/dr-huxtable-mr-hyde/

    Constand was not in show biz and did not do anything to bring on what happened to her. She went to the home (not a hotel room) of someone who had posed as a mentor for two years. It is true that some of the women who are accusing him of rape did things that were ill advised - but he DRUGGED them. In what universe is this excusable? Here, I guess.

    BTW, Cosby actually GAVE an interview to National Enquirer in 2005. Who gives an interview to a rag like the Enquirer?? Someone who is being truly blackmailed. National Enquirer knew the truth about Cosby so he gave them an interview to keep them on his good side. In that interview, he continued to dig a hole and defamed Constand, which forced her to bring another suit against Cosby and his lawyer.

    Altogether Constand was forced to bring two civil actions against this creep. All because she trusted him enough to go to his home for some fatherly advice.

    To say to Sailer, and his dittoheads, "You ought to be ashamed of yourselves" is a waste of space. Haters gonna hate, and creeps gonna be creeps. Just don't wonder why everybody hates you.

    Give Steve a break. All he did was fairly report the story from both sides. Although, to be fair, if this story had been about, say, Malcolm Gladwell, for instance, then that’s an entirely different ballgame. Don’t know if we’d see the balanced and nuanced interpretations on the events if Malcolm suddenly found himself caught in the middle of a scandal with these kinds of details.

    And, where is it written that the top 1% can’t ever exhibit horrible behaviors in their personal lives? This is where HBD and IQ will have to concede to a bit of bias. Yes, the top IQ as well as the top income earners have in fact committed actions that would be more suited to the left side of the curve. But, it has happened over time, and not just a couple of isolated incidents. Are they the majority? Of course not. Are they a higher percentage than one would think, say, around 5-10%? Definitely.

    Let’s not be so quick to, uh, whitewash the top 1% in income and IQ. Weasels, scumbags, rapists, etc exist no matter the curve side one is on.

    But then, look at how quickly people defended Jameis Winston and Jerramy Stevens. The NCAA, like Hollywood, must continue unmolested from doing what comes naturally.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I'm more nuanced about Malcolm Gladwell than anybody else. I've given him the best advice anybody has: take more care in hiring research assistants so you find ones who have strengths where you have weaknesses.
  208. @Rifleman

    To say to Sailer, and his dittoheads, “You ought to be ashamed of yourselves” is a waste of space. Haters gonna hate, and creeps gonna be creeps. Just don’t wonder why everybody hates you.
     
    It's a test for a lot of these White guys - which do they hate more, liberals, "cultural marxists", White women or black guys?

    Steam starts to come out of their ears with that choice. Generally speaking since sexual resentment and frustration is their dominant frustration probably White women are going to receive very little sympathy.

    You can say that frustration exists across the board regardless of ideology. Some of the biggest sexists are leftists, Marxists, environmentalists, even gays to an extent. So let’s be consistent here. Its not an ideology thing, its a male thing.

    There are no easy answers. The best that we all can do is learn, evolve, and move on. Thankfully, most women don’t band together and collectively blame all men in the same way that other minorities have done.

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
    More and more women are banding together and collectively blaming all men. Gender relations in America are comparable to race relations in America.
  209. @Steve Sailer
    "In 1997 in Los Angeles, Cosby’s 27-year old son was shot in the head and killed by an 18-year old Ukranian immigrant. After that, I remember reading that Cosby’s wife openly exclaimed that she hated White people."

    Well, she had kind of a good reason at the time. It was a horrible crime. By an offramp of the 405 near Mulholland Drive.

    Well, she had kind of a good reason at the time. It was a horrible crime. By an offramp of the 405 near Mulholland Drive.

    So, if it was committed somewhere else would it have been less horrible?

    BTW, do we know if the perp was one of those Nazi eastern Ukrainians or one of the more socially conscious western Ukrainians?

    Seems like she had a “you people are all the same” attitude.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "So, if it was committed somewhere else would it have been less horrible?"

    Sure. If he'd been driving to Compton to buy drugs and got shot, yeah, it would have been sad. But it's not that scary. But he had a flat tire or something like that on the 405 at Mulholland Drive and a carjacker murdered him.

  210. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Give Steve a break. All he did was fairly report the story from both sides. Although, to be fair, if this story had been about, say, Malcolm Gladwell, for instance, then that's an entirely different ballgame. Don't know if we'd see the balanced and nuanced interpretations on the events if Malcolm suddenly found himself caught in the middle of a scandal with these kinds of details.

    And, where is it written that the top 1% can't ever exhibit horrible behaviors in their personal lives? This is where HBD and IQ will have to concede to a bit of bias. Yes, the top IQ as well as the top income earners have in fact committed actions that would be more suited to the left side of the curve. But, it has happened over time, and not just a couple of isolated incidents. Are they the majority? Of course not. Are they a higher percentage than one would think, say, around 5-10%? Definitely.

    Let's not be so quick to, uh, whitewash the top 1% in income and IQ. Weasels, scumbags, rapists, etc exist no matter the curve side one is on.

    But then, look at how quickly people defended Jameis Winston and Jerramy Stevens. The NCAA, like Hollywood, must continue unmolested from doing what comes naturally.

    I’m more nuanced about Malcolm Gladwell than anybody else. I’ve given him the best advice anybody has: take more care in hiring research assistants so you find ones who have strengths where you have weaknesses.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    And I do know that. Couldn't resist it.

    You are nuanced, quite fair. Maybe because Gladwell knows who you are. I still say that you two would make for an interesting debate on whatever designated subject, with Slate magazine as the moderator. Perhaps Slate's podcast could even broadcast it.

    I'm reminded of a story about HOFer Walter Johnson, long retired at the time during mid 1930's and some player is throwing fastballs while he sits in the stands. He gets out onto the field and proceeds to throw fastballs to a catcher as well. Both are standing side by side and eventually, Walter's fastballs hit into the mitt sooner than the other guys. Afterwards Johnson allegedly said "Forgive me, I just couldn't resist the temptation."

    Talk about fun doings. NFL may have to move heavy snowed in Buffalo Bills game to Pgh this weekend.

  211. The murderer of Bill Cosby’s son was, believe it or not, a Jew.
    The stereotypical image many Americans have of Jews as being Woody Allen/Alan Greenspan type milquetoasts, jars against the image of an uber thug from Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Hard Line Realist

    The murderer of Bill Cosby’s son was, believe it or not, a Jew.
     
    Evidence?
    , @Hard Line Realist
    Well, the Wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ennis_Cosby says:

    In 2001 Markhasev confessed in a handwritten letter to a California Deputy Attorney General: "Although my appeal is in its beginning stages, I don't want to continue with it because it's based on falsehood and deceit .... I am guilty, and I want to do the right thing .... More than anything, I want to apologize to the victim's family. It is my duty as a Christian, and it's the least I can do, after the great wickedness for which I am responsible."
     
    However, the name Markhaseev is associated with Jews but the spelling is subtly different. Perhaps that confused you.
    , @HA
    "The murderer of Bill Cosby’s son was, believe it or not, a Jew."


    "In a handwritten letter to California Deputy Attorney General Kyle Brodie, Mikhail Markhasev apologized to the Cosby family for the Jan. 16, 1997 slaying of Ennis Cosby...'Although my appeal is in its beginning stages, I don't want to continue with it because it's based on falsehood and deceit," Markhasev writes. 'I am guilty, and I want to do the right thing … More than anything, I want to apologize to the victim's family. It is my duty as a Christian, and it's the least I can do, after the great wickedness for which I am responsible.'"

    Here is an sample of Markhasev memorabilia which can be yours for the nifty price of$75: "Our life is held in tension between the cross and the resurrection -- This is displayed in these ancient icons...Respectfully, your friend, Mikhail"

  212. Anonymous 5:23,
    Yup, the ‘Brits were the most civilized’. Paging Air Marshall Sir Arthur ‘Bomber’ Harris, and the firestorms over Hamburg, Dresden etc.

    ‘They sowed the wind, and now they reap the whirlwind’.

  213. @Hard Line Realist

    Well, she had kind of a good reason at the time. It was a horrible crime. By an offramp of the 405 near Mulholland Drive.
     
    So, if it was committed somewhere else would it have been less horrible?

    BTW, do we know if the perp was one of those Nazi eastern Ukrainians or one of the more socially conscious western Ukrainians?

    Seems like she had a "you people are all the same" attitude.

    “So, if it was committed somewhere else would it have been less horrible?”

    Sure. If he’d been driving to Compton to buy drugs and got shot, yeah, it would have been sad. But it’s not that scary. But he had a flat tire or something like that on the 405 at Mulholland Drive and a carjacker murdered him.

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
    And the murder being a rare white-on-black murder
  214. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    ‘America’s “Jimmy Savile”‘.
    A rare instance of a cultural and legalistic meme crossing from the east side of the pond to the other.
    The ‘priest abuse’ meme started off in the states. Over in the UK it morphed into open season on deceased and near-deceased entertainers from the golden age of the 1970s. Now, in more virulent form, it’s re-crossed the Atlantic and turned into ‘hunt the mega celebrity – he touched my boobs 30 years ago, but I only remembered it yesterday’.
    Of course the phrase ‘large dollops of cash’ sums it all up.

  215. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @WhatEvvs
    LOL, you don't seem to understand Steve Sailer's hierarchy of grievances. In this case, Cos is the beleaguered middle aged male, so he takes Cos's side in the matter.

    Most of the woman-hating dicks here will be too lazy to read this article, but I offer it anyway, because it contains a good description of the molestation of the virginal looking Andrea Constand:

    http://www.phillymag.com/articles/dr-huxtable-mr-hyde/

    Constand was not in show biz and did not do anything to bring on what happened to her. She went to the home (not a hotel room) of someone who had posed as a mentor for two years. It is true that some of the women who are accusing him of rape did things that were ill advised - but he DRUGGED them. In what universe is this excusable? Here, I guess.

    BTW, Cosby actually GAVE an interview to National Enquirer in 2005. Who gives an interview to a rag like the Enquirer?? Someone who is being truly blackmailed. National Enquirer knew the truth about Cosby so he gave them an interview to keep them on his good side. In that interview, he continued to dig a hole and defamed Constand, which forced her to bring another suit against Cosby and his lawyer.

    Altogether Constand was forced to bring two civil actions against this creep. All because she trusted him enough to go to his home for some fatherly advice.

    To say to Sailer, and his dittoheads, "You ought to be ashamed of yourselves" is a waste of space. Haters gonna hate, and creeps gonna be creeps. Just don't wonder why everybody hates you.

    Except there’s no indication of Sailer “taking Cosby’s side” here. From what I can gather from his post and comments, he was a fan of Cosby’s comedy decades ago, and seems to think that Cosby was a creep who used his fame, celebrity, and power to bed lots of women. He doesn’t seem to be taking a firm position on the exact mechanics of many of those carnal encounters, but at minimum he seems to think that Cosby was a creep who used his fame, celebrity, and power to bed lots of minimum.

  216. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    You can say that frustration exists across the board regardless of ideology. Some of the biggest sexists are leftists, Marxists, environmentalists, even gays to an extent. So let's be consistent here. Its not an ideology thing, its a male thing.

    There are no easy answers. The best that we all can do is learn, evolve, and move on. Thankfully, most women don't band together and collectively blame all men in the same way that other minorities have done.

    More and more women are banding together and collectively blaming all men. Gender relations in America are comparable to race relations in America.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Nowhere near it. Nowhere near it. Women aren't collectively protesting out in the streets and committing violent crime every single time one of their own is charged, convicted, or killed. Women aren't siding with "all" women just cause they're women.

    Tons of upper class, educated Northeastern women will not side with Southern, trailer park, Duck Dynasty country music listening women just because they're women. Doesn't happen.

    Persons such as Eleanor Clift and Lena Dunham are going to both side with their fellow sister Sarah Palin? Cause she's a woman? Come on! Not gonna happen even when it freezes over!

    Black women for instance, do NOT consider themselves to be women first. They're black first, and if it's a choice with siding with a white woman and a black man...race wins 100% of the time.

    There are too many internal divisions existing within the sisterhood that they're never going to collectively side together vs all men on various causes. Namely, due to the infighting, pettiness, backstabbing, etc.

    Race, however, trumps gender. It is living, real, almost has taken on mythical heroic proportions.

    Show me the gender riots breaking out whenever a woman on death row is fried. Show me the cities across the nation. You can't. The sisterhood isn't taking to the streets cause American Idol's on (or NPR's all things considered for the upscale).

    And besides....why should they miss the mall time? It's half off sale, come on! Get your priorities in line!

  217. @Steve Sailer
    "So, if it was committed somewhere else would it have been less horrible?"

    Sure. If he'd been driving to Compton to buy drugs and got shot, yeah, it would have been sad. But it's not that scary. But he had a flat tire or something like that on the 405 at Mulholland Drive and a carjacker murdered him.

    And the murder being a rare white-on-black murder

    • Replies: @David In TN
    As I wrote previously, Markhaseev identified with Mexican gang bangers and had hung around with them. He even told a jailhouse visitor that his "homies" would protect him in prison. I read some years ago that Markhaseev was in a "celebrity" protective custody unit the California prison system has for inmates who wouldn't be safe in the general population.

    Speaking of the brutal circumstances of Ennis Cosby's murder, it reminded me of an article I wrote for an internet true crime blog in 2009 on the Christian-Newsom torture murders in Knoxville, Tennessee.

    I wrote that Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom would have been better off if they had been shot dead in the parking lot when their auto was stolen rather than being kidnapped, followed by hours of horrific torture.
  218. @Steve Sailer
    I'm more nuanced about Malcolm Gladwell than anybody else. I've given him the best advice anybody has: take more care in hiring research assistants so you find ones who have strengths where you have weaknesses.

    And I do know that. Couldn’t resist it.

    You are nuanced, quite fair. Maybe because Gladwell knows who you are. I still say that you two would make for an interesting debate on whatever designated subject, with Slate magazine as the moderator. Perhaps Slate’s podcast could even broadcast it.

    I’m reminded of a story about HOFer Walter Johnson, long retired at the time during mid 1930′s and some player is throwing fastballs while he sits in the stands. He gets out onto the field and proceeds to throw fastballs to a catcher as well. Both are standing side by side and eventually, Walter’s fastballs hit into the mitt sooner than the other guys. Afterwards Johnson allegedly said “Forgive me, I just couldn’t resist the temptation.”

    Talk about fun doings. NFL may have to move heavy snowed in Buffalo Bills game to Pgh this weekend.

  219. @Hare Krishna
    More and more women are banding together and collectively blaming all men. Gender relations in America are comparable to race relations in America.

    Nowhere near it. Nowhere near it. Women aren’t collectively protesting out in the streets and committing violent crime every single time one of their own is charged, convicted, or killed. Women aren’t siding with “all” women just cause they’re women.

    Tons of upper class, educated Northeastern women will not side with Southern, trailer park, Duck Dynasty country music listening women just because they’re women. Doesn’t happen.

    Persons such as Eleanor Clift and Lena Dunham are going to both side with their fellow sister Sarah Palin? Cause she’s a woman? Come on! Not gonna happen even when it freezes over!

    Black women for instance, do NOT consider themselves to be women first. They’re black first, and if it’s a choice with siding with a white woman and a black man…race wins 100% of the time.

    There are too many internal divisions existing within the sisterhood that they’re never going to collectively side together vs all men on various causes. Namely, due to the infighting, pettiness, backstabbing, etc.

    Race, however, trumps gender. It is living, real, almost has taken on mythical heroic proportions.

    Show me the gender riots breaking out whenever a woman on death row is fried. Show me the cities across the nation. You can’t. The sisterhood isn’t taking to the streets cause American Idol’s on (or NPR’s all things considered for the upscale).

    And besides….why should they miss the mall time? It’s half off sale, come on! Get your priorities in line!

    • Replies: @Truth

    Black women for instance, do NOT consider themselves to be women first. They’re black first, and if it’s a choice with siding with a white woman and a black man…race wins 100% of the time.
     
    I don't know how long you've been a black woman, but If you are interested in doing actual research on this, I can probably introduce to someone who's been one longer.
  220. @Truth

    When I was a kid in the late 70s/early 80s, the iconic black men in pop culture for our generation were Bill Cosby , Michael Jackson, and OJ Simpson.
     
    She looks virginal to you? Where do you live, Tijuana?

    Very few things surprise me about this board, hence, I took 2 years off as I knew I wasn't missing anything, but the reaction of the posters here has thrown me for a loop; let me see if I understand:

    You hate snotty bitches who would never fuck you, for like, wanting equal rights and shit...

    You hate practically all "N-s" for, well, having African heritage....

    However in this case you take the side of the latter, which leads me to believe you REALLY, REALLY, HATE BITCHES.

    Bill Cosby has had a terrible reputation in the black community for a long-long time, I was hearing these stories over 20 years ago in LA.

    Very few things surprise me about this board, hence, I took 2 years off as I knew I wasn’t missing anything,

    There are plenty of dummies commenting but don’t be so full of yourself. There are people on here brighter than you who make interesting points.

    Consider linking to particular commenters and then reading Steve’s posts and then going to their comment archives.

    Jefferson is one of the best newer posters.

    That guy Rifleman/DYork I find to be brilliant.

    Camlost is pretty good for a southerner.

    There are quite a few from non White male back grounds. Some a bit out there but interesting.

    There are some Asians, even black females if you can believe it.

    Steve is willing to let through many questionable posters which is preferable to basically sterilizing the board of provocative people.

    We all know the one guy on here and other alt-right sites is the Alpha – Creep and that’s “whiskey”.

    The problem I have with some commenters is that they can start to make an interesting point and then go into a lunatic rant. Sort of like Cosby, a Dr Huxtable/Mr Hyde combination where you start off respecting and trusting and then you wake up having been raped.

  221. @WhatEvvs
    LOL, you don't seem to understand Steve Sailer's hierarchy of grievances. In this case, Cos is the beleaguered middle aged male, so he takes Cos's side in the matter.

    Most of the woman-hating dicks here will be too lazy to read this article, but I offer it anyway, because it contains a good description of the molestation of the virginal looking Andrea Constand:

    http://www.phillymag.com/articles/dr-huxtable-mr-hyde/

    Constand was not in show biz and did not do anything to bring on what happened to her. She went to the home (not a hotel room) of someone who had posed as a mentor for two years. It is true that some of the women who are accusing him of rape did things that were ill advised - but he DRUGGED them. In what universe is this excusable? Here, I guess.

    BTW, Cosby actually GAVE an interview to National Enquirer in 2005. Who gives an interview to a rag like the Enquirer?? Someone who is being truly blackmailed. National Enquirer knew the truth about Cosby so he gave them an interview to keep them on his good side. In that interview, he continued to dig a hole and defamed Constand, which forced her to bring another suit against Cosby and his lawyer.

    Altogether Constand was forced to bring two civil actions against this creep. All because she trusted him enough to go to his home for some fatherly advice.

    To say to Sailer, and his dittoheads, "You ought to be ashamed of yourselves" is a waste of space. Haters gonna hate, and creeps gonna be creeps. Just don't wonder why everybody hates you.

    It is true that some of the women who are accusing him of rape did things that were ill advised – but he DRUGGED them. In what universe is this excusable? Here, I guess.

    Where did someone say that drugging a person (without their knowledge), is excusable?

    Oh, in your head someone said that.

    What someone said in your head doesn’t count. You actually have to point out the words that they said or wrote. If you are unwilling to do that, make a retraction.

    Let’s keep this on a level plain. Rape is a sensitive subject. It is a crime. And as a crime, it needs evidence. “She said” is not evidence. People lie, all the time.

    And unless you point out where someone said that drugging someone (without their knowledge) was excusable, you were mis-representing the contents of this discussion. And while your misrepresentation is not, to my knowledge, libel because you did not name a specific real person, it is a misstatement and a lie (and an example of hysteria).

    And but why should there need be evidence.

  222. @Dave Pinsen
    Someone on Twitter noted the contrast between the reaction to rape allegations against Cosby versus Clinton: https://twitter.com/chrisloesch/status/535182070776365057

    Which reminded me of something else: white, liberal men I follow on Twitter (e.g., Andy Richter, whose wife's profile describes her as "feminist as fuck") piling on Cosby. These are the same folks who were on team Gentle Giant with Ferguson.

    The Social Justice Warrior consensus is 100% against Cosby.

  223. @Reg Cæsar
    •The whole point of Cosby's 8:15/12:15 double album was that the 12:15 performance was tailored to an adult-only crowd. The act was the same as at 8:15, but with things like the "midnight trampoline" thrown in. (That's a prophylactic. Cosby's didn't work.)

    •Someone mentioned Bob Crane. He was the biggest hetero-pervert in the business, and his sons fought with one another to carry on that legacy. Crane asked to audition for Last Tango, but the producers didn't want Col Hogan in that role.

    •TMZ's practice isn't new. Rock Hudson was spared being outed by a non-glossy mag in the '50s because his publicist offered up a lesser actor in Hudson's place. He felt obligated to the other man for the rest of his career.

    Someone mentioned Bob Crane. He was the biggest hetero-pervert in the business, and his sons fought with one another to carry on that legacy

    Come again? His sons are nearly two decades apart in age, were borne by different mothers, and have not been in the same room since 1978. The older son was a consultant to the film Autofocus and regards his father with retrospective dismay. The younger son fancies his father a cool dude and insists his older brother is lying about the evolution of his father’s behavior (an evolution the older son witnessed and the younger did not).

  224. @anonymous
    I can't see what these by-now middle aged women such as Janice Dickinson have to gain by coming out now or how they would all be involved in a conspiracy to take down the lovable Mr Huxtable. He's an over the hill actor and isn't running for office. Oh yeah, he made some speeches putting himself on a pedestal so therefore he's being targeted by the illuminati. Sandusky had been getting away with what he was doing for his entire life before he was caught up with. The dam just breaks at some point. There's a long term pattern going back decades that's there if one looks back on it.
    Cosby conceded that Autumn Jackson might have been his biological daughter. Her blackmail consisted of threatening to out him as her father unless he paid up. He should have done a paternity test and if she really was his daughter then the wealthy Cosby should have acknowledged her and paid her plenty to make up for his worthlessness as an absentee father (admittedly her asking price was rather steep). How many men out there would have their biological daughter sent to prison for 26 months in order to shut them up and get them out of the picture? America's greatest dad would.
    As a star he probably could have had his hands full with potential girlfriends. Yet he seems to have liked to assault unconscious people. That's rape and rape of a kinky sort. He's an actor and actors aren't the role they play which is something many people haven't gotten through their heads.

    As a star he probably could have had his hands full with potential girlfriends. Yet he seems to have liked to assault unconscious people. That’s rape and rape of a kinky sort. He’s an actor and actors aren’t the role they play which is something many people haven’t gotten through their heads.

    Yes, it’s a possibility that he simply gets off on rape. Paul Bernardo (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo) was like that. It’s also possible that, for Cosby, he had an enormous sense of entitlement and sleeping pills + rape was a plan B that he employed whenever the women he was alone with didn’t show immediate sexual interest.

  225. @Anonymous
    The murderer of Bill Cosby's son was, believe it or not, a Jew.
    The stereotypical image many Americans have of Jews as being Woody Allen/Alan Greenspan type milquetoasts, jars against the image of an uber thug from Ukraine.

    The murderer of Bill Cosby’s son was, believe it or not, a Jew.

    Evidence?

  226. Ta-Nehisi Coates weighs in:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/11/the-cosby-show/382891/

    As one might expect, certain noises are made about Cosby’s status as a Black “organic conservative”:

    I spent parts of 2006 and 2007 following Bill Cosby around the country. He was then in the midst of giving a series of “call-outs” in which he upbraided the decline of morality in the black community. Our current organic black conservative moment largely springs from these efforts. It’s worth distinguishing an “organic black conservative” from a black or white Republican moment. Black Republicans, with some exceptions, don’t simply exist as people who believe in free markets and oppose abortion, but to assure white Republicans that racism no longer exists. Organic black conservatives (like Cosby, for instance) are traditionalists, but they hold no such illusions about America’s past. They believe this country to be racist, perhaps irredeemably so, but assert nonetheless that individual effort can defeat trenchant racism. The organic black conservative vision is riding high at the moment. Thus even the NAACP cannot denounce the outriders of Ferguson without the requisite indictment of “black on black crime.”

    The author of this moment is Bill Cosby.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Actually, a case could be made that Cosby is echoing Louis Farrakhan and early Jesse Jackson speeches on self-improvement that were specifically aimed at black youths. What Coates seems to be longing for is more racial red meat resentment from Cosby rather than the self-improvement angle.

    In other words, "yeah, it's fine and all to say that we have to pull ourselves up by the bootstraps so long as you remember the main theological points of the message: US is racist, racism still exists and really is keeping all the brothers and sisters down and will like, forever, until we totally win out over all the racists. The end." It's called Black Liberation Theology for a reason and Coates is one of the self-appointed keepers of the pure message.

  227. @Hare Krishna
    And the murder being a rare white-on-black murder

    As I wrote previously, Markhaseev identified with Mexican gang bangers and had hung around with them. He even told a jailhouse visitor that his “homies” would protect him in prison. I read some years ago that Markhaseev was in a “celebrity” protective custody unit the California prison system has for inmates who wouldn’t be safe in the general population.

    Speaking of the brutal circumstances of Ennis Cosby’s murder, it reminded me of an article I wrote for an internet true crime blog in 2009 on the Christian-Newsom torture murders in Knoxville, Tennessee.

    I wrote that Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom would have been better off if they had been shot dead in the parking lot when their auto was stolen rather than being kidnapped, followed by hours of horrific torture.

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
    Pretty common for L.A. area whites, actually, not just Markasev, due to prison politics. NorCal whites are different.
  228. @Anonymous
    Wasn't he driving a really expensive car that night he was killed? Reminds me of Michael Jordan's dad. His situation was similar. There was also the quite recent case of a Jewish lawyer in New Jersey who was killed at a shopping mall for his expensive vehicle.

    Perhaps it is better not to make it obvious you have money.

    Perhaps it is better not to make it obvious you have money.

    And not just due to crime. Paul Fussell wrote in Class that the visible upper class (as opposed to the invisible upper upper class) preferred to drive Buicks. They are just as good as Caddys, but a whole lot less obvious.

    There’s probably a vestige of ancestral Puritanism, or Quakerism, in this attitude as well.

  229. “Black women for instance, do NOT consider themselves to be women first. They’re black first, and if it’s a choice with siding with a white woman and a black man…race wins 100% of the time.”

    This is true. In the 2008 Democratic primaries, Hillary Clinton did not do very well among the Black female vote because she was going up against Obama.

  230. Gotta love the knee-jerk “always believe the wommens” morons posting here who never miss a chance to blame the penis as the wrong doer.

    These are the same guys who white knight for any alleged female who posts on a board. or any broad in the news…such as Lena Dunham.

    Its like they never heard of Donald Sterling or V. Stiviano.

    The wommens are always right! Anyone who disagrees hates wommmens!

    lol.

  231. @Priss Factor
    "Jews in Hollywood only choose gentiles who have a flaw…pedophilia, rape, interracial sex….The Jews do this in Hollywood so that they can control the person. "

    That's silly.

    So, what's Robert Redford's dark secret?

    Redford has secretly been a member of the John Birch Society all this time.

  232. @Anonymous
    The murderer of Bill Cosby's son was, believe it or not, a Jew.
    The stereotypical image many Americans have of Jews as being Woody Allen/Alan Greenspan type milquetoasts, jars against the image of an uber thug from Ukraine.

    Well, the Wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ennis_Cosby says:

    In 2001 Markhasev confessed in a handwritten letter to a California Deputy Attorney General: “Although my appeal is in its beginning stages, I don’t want to continue with it because it’s based on falsehood and deceit …. I am guilty, and I want to do the right thing …. More than anything, I want to apologize to the victim’s family. It is my duty as a Christian, and it’s the least I can do, after the great wickedness for which I am responsible.”

    However, the name Markhaseev is associated with Jews but the spelling is subtly different. Perhaps that confused you.

  233. I read an interview with one of Cosby’s accusers preparing to dislike her, but I ended up kind of liking her. She admitted to taking the drugs willingly. She also admitted to receiving small amounts of money from Cosby through the years, and having sexual relations with him on another occasion. It seems as if she is most annoyed about his false upstanding image more than anything.
    In Ennis Cobsy’s killer’s statement to the court he refers to himself as a Christian.

  234. @Rifleman

    To say to Sailer, and his dittoheads, “You ought to be ashamed of yourselves” is a waste of space. Haters gonna hate, and creeps gonna be creeps. Just don’t wonder why everybody hates you.
     
    It's a test for a lot of these White guys - which do they hate more, liberals, "cultural marxists", White women or black guys?

    Steam starts to come out of their ears with that choice. Generally speaking since sexual resentment and frustration is their dominant frustration probably White women are going to receive very little sympathy.

    Yer a moron and ya blaming the victim.

  235. @Truth

    When I was a kid in the late 70s/early 80s, the iconic black men in pop culture for our generation were Bill Cosby , Michael Jackson, and OJ Simpson.
     
    You seem to have forgotten the most famous man in the world; then and probably still today.

    Willie Tyler ( and Lester)?

  236. @Truth

    When I was a kid in the late 70s/early 80s, the iconic black men in pop culture for our generation were Bill Cosby , Michael Jackson, and OJ Simpson.
     
    She looks virginal to you? Where do you live, Tijuana?

    Very few things surprise me about this board, hence, I took 2 years off as I knew I wasn't missing anything, but the reaction of the posters here has thrown me for a loop; let me see if I understand:

    You hate snotty bitches who would never fuck you, for like, wanting equal rights and shit...

    You hate practically all "N-s" for, well, having African heritage....

    However in this case you take the side of the latter, which leads me to believe you REALLY, REALLY, HATE BITCHES.

    Bill Cosby has had a terrible reputation in the black community for a long-long time, I was hearing these stories over 20 years ago in LA.

    “Let me see if I understand”.

    You clearly understand nothing. Take another two years off. Nobody will miss you.

  237. @Rifleman

    “In 1997 in Los Angeles, Cosby’s 27-year old son was shot in the head and killed by an 18-year old Ukranian immigrant. After that, I remember reading that Cosby’s wife openly exclaimed that she hated White people.”

    Well, she had kind of a good reason at the time. It was a horrible crime. By an offramp of the 405 near Mulholland Drive.
     
    Really? So actress Kelly MacGillis has a right to hate blacks because she was home invasion raped by a black male?

    How about actress Fran Drescher, home invasion raped by a black male while her husband was tied up and forced to watch.

    Or actor Kelsey Grammer, his sister was abducted gang raped and murdered by black males.

    Any of these White people have "kind of a good reason"?

    To say nothing of the legions of other white victims of black crime.

  238. @Anonymous
    The murderer of Bill Cosby's son was, believe it or not, a Jew.
    The stereotypical image many Americans have of Jews as being Woody Allen/Alan Greenspan type milquetoasts, jars against the image of an uber thug from Ukraine.

    “The murderer of Bill Cosby’s son was, believe it or not, a Jew.”

    “In a handwritten letter to California Deputy Attorney General Kyle Brodie, Mikhail Markhasev apologized to the Cosby family for the Jan. 16, 1997 slaying of Ennis Cosby…’Although my appeal is in its beginning stages, I don’t want to continue with it because it’s based on falsehood and deceit,” Markhasev writes. ‘I am guilty, and I want to do the right thing … More than anything, I want to apologize to the victim’s family. It is my duty as a Christian, and it’s the least I can do, after the great wickedness for which I am responsible.’”

    Here is an sample of Markhasev memorabilia which can be yours for the nifty price of$75: “Our life is held in tension between the cross and the resurrection — This is displayed in these ancient icons…Respectfully, your friend, Mikhail”

    • Replies: @CJ
    Wikipedia's entry on Ennis Cosby used to describe Markhasev as Russian Jewish. I don't know if that was correct or not. Here's an old post from a discussion board that cites the former entry:

    http://forums.pelicanparts.com/5021910-post33.html

    On January 16, 1997, Cosby had exited his Mercedes from Interstate 405, Los Angeles, to change a flat tire near the off-ramp on Skirball Center Drive when he was confronted by Mikhail Markhasev. Markhasev first confronted Stephanie Crane, who was in her car illuminating the area so that Ennis could see. Markhasev pulled his weapon on Crane who immediately drove away, leaving Ennis alone. According to prosecutors, Markhasev, a Russian Jewish/USSR-born immigrant, demanded money from Cosby, then shot Cosby in the head because he was moving too slowly, and fled the scene. Crane returned to the scene where she found Cosby dead. Markhasev was convicted after a jury trial.
  239. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Was the killer of Ennis Cosby Jewish? He came to the USA in the late 1980′s, when the Ukraine was still a part of the USSR. The Soviet Union did not collapse until 1991. Prior to that time about the only people who could get out of the USSR were Jews. And the Ukraine was one of the historic centers of Jews in that area.

  240. @Steve Sailer
    Sure, but you had to explain blackmail law to me about 3 times before I finally started to understand it. If I were some actress/model/whatever who heard about Cosby sending an accuser to prison for five years, how confident would I be that I understood the law well enough to risk accusing somebody who has that kind of power? Am I all that sure he really did put a Mickey Finn in my drink? Or maybe I just had too many drinks?

    What's going on now is that lots of these women are hearing each other accuse Cosby of putting something in their drinks, so that adds credibility to their suspicions that they didn't really drink that much. But that kind of thing can turn out very wrong, like UFO sightings build on drunk drivers' vague experiences, for which their reading about other drunk drivers' claims provides them a vocabulary of details to cite. So, I don't know. But that's why I think things like the blackmail incident and all the times he was on TV hanging out with Hef in the 1970s are moderately informative.

    UFOs are only seen by drunk drivers? “UFOs” have been seen by thousands upon thousands of people, I suspect very few of them drunk, and quite few were airline pilots and astronauts (hushed up mostly), so I certainly hope they weren’t drunk. If I see a cow, don’t try to tell me it’s a kangaroo. I’d know the difference even if I were drunk.

    Cosby probably did exactly what the woman claims. Why do I think this? Because of who he is, and the fact that Nobody’s aren’t likely to challenge the various Goliaths unless they have real stones.

  241. @Rifleman

    “In 1997 in Los Angeles, Cosby’s 27-year old son was shot in the head and killed by an 18-year old Ukranian immigrant. After that, I remember reading that Cosby’s wife openly exclaimed that she hated White people.”

    Well, she had kind of a good reason at the time. It was a horrible crime. By an offramp of the 405 near Mulholland Drive.
     
    Really? So actress Kelly MacGillis has a right to hate blacks because she was home invasion raped by a black male?

    How about actress Fran Drescher, home invasion raped by a black male while her husband was tied up and forced to watch.

    Or actor Kelsey Grammer, his sister was abducted gang raped and murdered by black males.

    Any of these White people have "kind of a good reason"?

    Yeah. So many more Whites than Blacks have “good reason” to hate the other race, if you’re going by violence done. Vastly more, for the past several generations.

  242. @Anonymous
    I don't care that they're white women. Am I supposed to? In my mind, what separates me from blacks is precisely that I don't engage in racial solidarity. If I saw two white guys beating up a black guy (granted, doesn't happen), I''d intervene to help the black guy, whereas I know they wouldn't do the same for me. And you know what? If any of these white women saw me in a fight with anyone non-white, they'd tell the cops I was at fault, even if they had no idea. And if they saw me so much as raise my voice to a woman, they'd immediately gang up on me, and I'm not even a Herb, but a good-looking ex-jock. My guess about these women is that they're low status among women. - i.e. they don't have jobs in law, real-estate, PR, casting, or run a temp agency. So they need identities in the new gynocracy they didn't know expect to develop, and being a rape victim is the ticket to identity among other women.

    You claim you don’t engage in racial solidarity but you sure engage in gender solidarity, or at least exclusion of the opposite as human. A woman goes making rape claims because she’s (already) low-status? Like this is going to raise her prestige? Like she doesn’t have enough problems?
    You are one sick puppy.
    I was attacked once by 3 blacks on a dark, rainy night, and by the grace of some god, they were chased away by 3 white men who happened to be out on their porch, before anything could happen. Most of us know any of us could be such a victim at any time. I was not a lawyer or a doctor. I was an 18 yr old file clerk. Heaven help me if something had happened and you were on the jury. Yeah, I know. Circumstances. But you’d be amazed at how many people would accuse a dead female of getting herself raped.
    And no, I would not assume you were the culprit if two blacks were beating you. I don’t know any white woman who would assume such a thing. We all live around blacks, like everyone on the east coast.

  243. @David In TN
    As I wrote previously, Markhaseev identified with Mexican gang bangers and had hung around with them. He even told a jailhouse visitor that his "homies" would protect him in prison. I read some years ago that Markhaseev was in a "celebrity" protective custody unit the California prison system has for inmates who wouldn't be safe in the general population.

    Speaking of the brutal circumstances of Ennis Cosby's murder, it reminded me of an article I wrote for an internet true crime blog in 2009 on the Christian-Newsom torture murders in Knoxville, Tennessee.

    I wrote that Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom would have been better off if they had been shot dead in the parking lot when their auto was stolen rather than being kidnapped, followed by hours of horrific torture.

    Pretty common for L.A. area whites, actually, not just Markasev, due to prison politics. NorCal whites are different.

  244. I would not be surprised if we saw an increasing amount of female on male blackmailing. The conditions are ripe. With the number of men refusing to marry increasing and the long term prospects of alimony and child support for the ones who do diminishing there are going to be more and more lazy desperate women looking for quick and easy money. Thanks to DNA testing, only men who are actually fathers will be on the hook for paternity. The whole culture has been so inured to sex, feminists are down to flinging “rape culture” around because it is the only thing they have left that can provoke a reaction. Pretty soon we will be down to rape, rape, rape 24/7.

    • Replies: @whorefinder

    I would not be surprised if we saw an increasing amount of female on male blackmailing. The conditions are ripe. With the number of men refusing to marry increasing and the long term prospects of alimony and child support for the ones who do diminishing there are going to be more and more lazy desperate women looking for quick and easy money. Thanks to DNA testing, only men who are actually fathers will be on the hook for paternity. The whole culture has been so inured to sex, feminists are down to flinging “rape culture” around because it is the only thing they have left that can provoke a reaction. Pretty soon we will be down to rape, rape, rape 24/7.
     
    Motherfucking bingo right there.

    The combined wussification of males by the left--where they won't make the first move, and now are demonized for telling a woman she's attractive---along with women marrying later and with feminist rape ideology has created a situation where women simply don't understand masculinity, having never experienced it, and believe lies lesbians tell them about it.

    Since men aren't giving women the emotional and physical nurturing that a monogamous early marriage gives them---faithful spouse, children to fill the void they complain about, creature comforts of home, obedience to a man they admire---women are going to instinctively try to fill those voids with physical and emotional ersatz replacements---political power over men by accusing them of rape, money from men in the form of damages for said "rape", etc.

    And they will go home at night to their cats and wonder why they still feel so damn lonely. And the lesbians will whisper----it's still the men!
  245. @syonredux
    Ta-Nehisi Coates weighs in:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/11/the-cosby-show/382891/

    As one might expect, certain noises are made about Cosby's status as a Black "organic conservative":

    I spent parts of 2006 and 2007 following Bill Cosby around the country. He was then in the midst of giving a series of "call-outs" in which he upbraided the decline of morality in the black community. Our current organic black conservative moment largely springs from these efforts. It's worth distinguishing an "organic black conservative" from a black or white Republican moment. Black Republicans, with some exceptions, don't simply exist as people who believe in free markets and oppose abortion, but to assure white Republicans that racism no longer exists. Organic black conservatives (like Cosby, for instance) are traditionalists, but they hold no such illusions about America's past. They believe this country to be racist, perhaps irredeemably so, but assert nonetheless that individual effort can defeat trenchant racism. The organic black conservative vision is riding high at the moment. Thus even the NAACP cannot denounce the outriders of Ferguson without the requisite indictment of "black on black crime."

    The author of this moment is Bill Cosby.
     

    Actually, a case could be made that Cosby is echoing Louis Farrakhan and early Jesse Jackson speeches on self-improvement that were specifically aimed at black youths. What Coates seems to be longing for is more racial red meat resentment from Cosby rather than the self-improvement angle.

    In other words, “yeah, it’s fine and all to say that we have to pull ourselves up by the bootstraps so long as you remember the main theological points of the message: US is racist, racism still exists and really is keeping all the brothers and sisters down and will like, forever, until we totally win out over all the racists. The end.” It’s called Black Liberation Theology for a reason and Coates is one of the self-appointed keepers of the pure message.

  246. Blacks in the political sphere are always writing articles about how residential segregation in the U.S between Blacks and Whites in major metropolitan areas like Chicago and Detroit is evil and the main cause for Black poverty because they don’t live around enough Whites.

    Louis Farrakhan is the only Brotha that advocates residential segregation between Blacks and Whites is a good thing and that a Black person should be proud of living in a zip code where there are few to no Whites.

  247. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    She'd get a pass from me, as does Mrs. Cosby.

    She’d get a pass from me, as does Mrs. Cosby.

    Mrs. Cosby herself may not be above reproach in all of this mess. nydailynews

    Lou Ferrigno’s wife claims Cosby tried to force himself on her in 1967. She, along with the Cosby’s and a friend of Bill’s (FOB!), went to dinner on a double date…

    The two couples later returned to Cosby’s Hollywood home to shoot some pool in the basement, she recalled, when she suddenly found herself alone with Cosby.

    “He walked over to me and grabbed me and pulled me really tight to him, kissing me in the mouth really, really rough,” Ferrigno said.

    She said she pushed her attacker off and fled Cosby’s home — and that she’s come to believe her date and Cosby’s own wife were in on the star’s predilections.

  248. @Prof. Woland
    I would not be surprised if we saw an increasing amount of female on male blackmailing. The conditions are ripe. With the number of men refusing to marry increasing and the long term prospects of alimony and child support for the ones who do diminishing there are going to be more and more lazy desperate women looking for quick and easy money. Thanks to DNA testing, only men who are actually fathers will be on the hook for paternity. The whole culture has been so inured to sex, feminists are down to flinging "rape culture" around because it is the only thing they have left that can provoke a reaction. Pretty soon we will be down to rape, rape, rape 24/7.

    I would not be surprised if we saw an increasing amount of female on male blackmailing. The conditions are ripe. With the number of men refusing to marry increasing and the long term prospects of alimony and child support for the ones who do diminishing there are going to be more and more lazy desperate women looking for quick and easy money. Thanks to DNA testing, only men who are actually fathers will be on the hook for paternity. The whole culture has been so inured to sex, feminists are down to flinging “rape culture” around because it is the only thing they have left that can provoke a reaction. Pretty soon we will be down to rape, rape, rape 24/7.

    Motherfucking bingo right there.

    The combined wussification of males by the left–where they won’t make the first move, and now are demonized for telling a woman she’s attractive—along with women marrying later and with feminist rape ideology has created a situation where women simply don’t understand masculinity, having never experienced it, and believe lies lesbians tell them about it.

    Since men aren’t giving women the emotional and physical nurturing that a monogamous early marriage gives them—faithful spouse, children to fill the void they complain about, creature comforts of home, obedience to a man they admire—women are going to instinctively try to fill those voids with physical and emotional ersatz replacements—political power over men by accusing them of rape, money from men in the form of damages for said “rape”, etc.

    And they will go home at night to their cats and wonder why they still feel so damn lonely. And the lesbians will whisper—-it’s still the men!

  249. @HA
    "The murderer of Bill Cosby’s son was, believe it or not, a Jew."


    "In a handwritten letter to California Deputy Attorney General Kyle Brodie, Mikhail Markhasev apologized to the Cosby family for the Jan. 16, 1997 slaying of Ennis Cosby...'Although my appeal is in its beginning stages, I don't want to continue with it because it's based on falsehood and deceit," Markhasev writes. 'I am guilty, and I want to do the right thing … More than anything, I want to apologize to the victim's family. It is my duty as a Christian, and it's the least I can do, after the great wickedness for which I am responsible.'"

    Here is an sample of Markhasev memorabilia which can be yours for the nifty price of$75: "Our life is held in tension between the cross and the resurrection -- This is displayed in these ancient icons...Respectfully, your friend, Mikhail"

    Wikipedia’s entry on Ennis Cosby used to describe Markhasev as Russian Jewish. I don’t know if that was correct or not. Here’s an old post from a discussion board that cites the former entry:

    http://forums.pelicanparts.com/5021910-post33.html

    On January 16, 1997, Cosby had exited his Mercedes from Interstate 405, Los Angeles, to change a flat tire near the off-ramp on Skirball Center Drive when he was confronted by Mikhail Markhasev. Markhasev first confronted Stephanie Crane, who was in her car illuminating the area so that Ennis could see. Markhasev pulled his weapon on Crane who immediately drove away, leaving Ennis alone. According to prosecutors, Markhasev, a Russian Jewish/USSR-born immigrant, demanded money from Cosby, then shot Cosby in the head because he was moving too slowly, and fled the scene. Crane returned to the scene where she found Cosby dead. Markhasev was convicted after a jury trial.

    • Replies: @HA
    "Wikipedia’s entry on Ennis Cosby used to describe Markhasev as Russian Jewish...Here’s an old post from a discussion board that cites the former entry..."

    Every Wikipedia entry has a history of revisions, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ennis_Cosby&action=history When I went to the pelicanparts.com site you linked to (which, by the way, set off a virus threat from my security software) I saw that the post you refer to was made in Aug 2008 before I exited. However, none of the Wiki revisions for Ennis Cosby made around that time contained anything like that quotation, though I only went through a few. He was listed simply as a Ukrainian.

    I encourage you to search the Wiki archives yourself, but given what I've seen so far, I see nothing remotely convincing to suggest that Markhasev was Russian Jewish (he was actually born in Lvov, so that saying he was Russian is another claim that calls for some substantiation) or that Wikipedia ever claimed as much, though either or both are certainly possible.

    His apology to the Cosby family does indicate that his jailhouse return (or conversion) to Christianity was either genuine, or well acted, so for those who see this as a matter of scorekeeping, there's that.

  250. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Wikipedia’s entry on Ennis Cosby used to describe Markhasev as Russian Jewish. I don’t know if that was correct or not.

    Maybe the German Jews have good reason for discriminating against the Russian/Ukrainian Jews? It was characterized in the country club Nazi posts as trifling and petty, but obviously there’s more to it. Don’t tear down a fence until you know why it was put up.

  251. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Most people are finding mates online, even college-aged people. So, no longer are people confined to their limited social environment or hindered by racial/cultural concerns (e.g., WM/AF). This disempowers women, especially white women, who can not use their physical flirtation and sexual attraction to lure a mate, maybe just a one-night stand or an affair.

  252. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Hold it hold it. Bill Cosby has a terrible reputation in the black community? How so? Tons of money check. Fooling around, check? No, not seeing why they don't like him.

    Oh, the hypocrite angle perhaps. Calling out others for what he essentially does in private life.

    What is interesting is which individuals the black community tends to collectively anoint as role models and heroes, such as Travyon, Michael Brown, Tookie Williams, Mamul Mumia Jamal, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, etc.

    Noticing a pattern?

    But Cosby? Nah, that hypocrite? Wheras if he would just learn to keep it real and stuff, he'd be just fine. Probably as much a role model as Sharpton and Jackson (one a tax dodger the other an adulterer/jailbird).

    Yep, there does tend to be a consistent pattern as to which individuals the community tends to annoint as an official role model and hero.

    Just wait til the verdict is publicly read. Getting ready to take to the streets and protest on behalf of their hero/role model.

    “Hold it hold it. Bill Cosby has a terrible reputation in the black community? How so? Tons of money check. Fooling around, check? No, not seeing why they don’t like him.

    Oh, the hypocrite angle perhaps. Calling out others for what he essentially does in private life.

    I know three people who know Bill Cosby personally and not one of them has ANYTHING positive to say about him. His “reputation” with the ladies was well known in the LA black community years before these stories came out, from what I’ve heard, his reputation is that of a miserable, miserable man.

    What is interesting is which individuals the black community tends to collectively anoint as role models and heroes, such as Travyon, Michael Brown, Tookie Williams, Mamul Mumia Jamal, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, etc.

    To quote one of your heroes; “Oh now there you go again…”

    Did you ever think for just a second that these so called “black role models” are more white media creations? Let me give you a subtle hint; THEY ARE.

    I had a conversation with a white, Army Command Sargent a few weeks ago in which he bought up “black spokesmen like Jesse and Al.” I told him that both men have been practically non entities in “the black community” for at least 20 years. He was dumbfounded

    “But Cosby? Nah, that hypocrite? Wheras if he would just learn to keep it real and stuff, he’d be just fine.”

    He did, to borrow your snark, “learn to keep it real” the way I understand the term; he is under suspicion of multiple rapes.”

    “Probably as much a role model as Sharpton and Jackson (one a tax dodger the other an adulterer/jailbird).”

    Oh, and their they appear! I swear on a stack of bibles, I am answering your post in sequence as I read.

    Yep, there does tend to be a consistent pattern as to which individuals the community tends to annoint as an official role model and hero.

    Whom have the individuals in your “community” annointed as official role models and heroes?”

    Just wait til the verdict is publicly read. Getting ready to take to the streets and protest on behalf of their hero/role model.

    I’ll answer this one in Haiku as a brain triggering device keeping in mind “your” heritage:

    The response tepid
    As passed with white Hispanic
    But fools do not learn

    I

    • Replies: @David In TN
    And almost the entire black community rallied around that "white media creation" O.J. Simpson when he was dead bang (irrefutable DNA evidence) guilty of murdering two white people.

    BTW, a friend of mine said blacks didn't support Simpson out of doubt about his guilt, but from the certainty of it.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    You do need to calm down a bit, keep the blood pressure to a normal level.

    First, ah, no, he's not "my" hero. Assumptions, that's a no no.

    "I know three people who know Bill Cosby personally and not one of them has ANYTHING positive to say about him. His “reputation” with the ladies was well known in the LA black community years before these stories came out"

    OMG!!! You know THREE WHOLE PEOPLE! You're an "expert"! OMG, dude! Fantastic. If we only had a dime for everyone in the woodwork who "knows a dude who knows a celeb" we'd all be....

    Honestly now, you need to wise up a bit there. What was Cosby's reputation in the mass market, that which built his fortune? That he was the white equivalent of Father Knows Best, the new Robert Young, etc. His fortune post late 70's was not built on racy skits, underground blaxploitation flicks, etc. It was built off Fat Albert, Picture Page, Jell-O, The Huxtables. All family friendly.


    "Did you ever think for just a second that these so called “black role models” are more white media creations?

    I did think that, for about a second. The year was 1992. Various common sense facts of that decade woke me up and since that time I haven't foolishly naively taken the Neo-Con sucker bait as you apparently have.

    You forgot the rejoinder, "If only the blacks would leave the 'liberal plantation' and embrace enterprise zones and school choice, they'd naturally vote Republican! That's the ticket! Everyone knows that blacks are natural conservatives!"

    They are? Do they vote that way as a group? Seriously?

    See, Jesse and Al still remain popular within the black community. They still carry weight and influence. The NAACP is still a major public organization that represents blacks at the national level. No major black leader in the mainstream of any kind will dispute this. NOTE: I'm not referring to outliers such as Thomas Sowell. He doesn't carry any cred much less weight with the black community at large as the vast majority of his readers and admirers tend to be whites.

    And in Black Liberation Theology, acting white is one of the major cardinal sins a community member can commit.

    The white mainstream media is not holding up Peterson and Ray Rice (and OJ for that matter) as role models and heroes, the black community is. It's actually fairly simple and predictable. Some whites in the media start to criticize some aspects of these most upstanding heroes, the community takes offense which in turn turns to anger. Then they close ranks around the particular person ("He may be a so and so but he's OUR so and so!"). And anything that tends to piss off whitey automatically increases the individual black's community cred.



    "Let me give you a subtle hint; THEY ARE.""

    Uh, NO they are NOT. Based on official polls taken for the last, oh, thirty-forty years on these subjects.

    FACT: Blacks vote around 90% for democratic candidates at all election levels. For Obama, they voted around 95% Wonder why that was? HINT: Because Obama is perceived as more less white than Mitt Romney and McCain (they do have a point on this one. Romney does look white at least to me).

    FACT: Corporately, collectively, blacks side with their own. This is born out in poll after poll and in how they actually vote. It's all nice and well to say that blacks attend church and are pro-life (even though they have a about the same rate of abortions as whites). How do they live their lives day to day? Not too well, actually (ca.75% out of wedlock total number of blacks).

    FACT: The community supports its own. If whitey is accusing one of their own, they support their own no matter what. Facts, evidence, etc be damned. What counts is that they're not going to allow whitey to take out a community member.

    FACT: Outliers such as Jason Riley, Ben Carson, Thomas Sowell, Jason Whitlock (to a growing extent) carry little to no weight with blacks as a whole. Their main audience is white. Blacks consider these people and others to be race traitors. Another example who could find his standing in the community to be in limbo is RG3 , some are calling him a "cornball brother" means: We're not too sure about you.

    FACT: LA assistant prosecuting attorney on OJ case Christopher Darden was told by Johnnie Cochran after the verdict "Don't worry, one day we may let you back into the community." So it's totally asinine to suggest that the community isn't run by a few strict rules, which are:

    1. Don't ever side vs the community (the race).

    2. Don't ever attempt to "act white" in public. If you do either of these two things you'll be excommunicated.

    FACT: What you tend to forget is that Al Sharpton doesn't have to try very hard to stoke the flames of racial animosity because there's constant kindling always lit and ready to burn. If there wasn't, Sharpton would've disappeared by now. The fact that he is an official advisor to Obama on various issues tells you all you need to know about the community. They're not protesting Al Sharpton or demanding that he step down and stop speaking for blacks collectively because HE DOES SPEAK FOR THEM COLLECTIVELY.



    "I had a conversation with a white, Army Command Sargent a few weeks ago in which he bought up “black spokesmen like Jesse and Al.” I told him that both men have been practically non entities in “the black community” for at least 20 years. He was dumbfounded"


    OK. Two whites talking about the black community. And you know all about them because you're....? You know, it's one thing when this piece of...was first said decades ago. It's no longer very funny.

    FACT: Irrelevant non-entities do NOT get invited to the White House to discuss policy on racial issues, DUH! They don't even get invited to the white house, period.

    FACT: Obama was once a community organizer, you seem to forget that fact. He has way more in common with both Jackson and Sharpton (both are community organizers) than with Thomas Sowell and Ben Carson. He thinks the same way on race. All we have to do is examine his legislation and policies.

    Honestly now.

    Notice: Whenever a white person is killed by a black person you don't tend to see whites take to the streets to riot, burn, rob, etc entire cities? Did you not observe what went on this summer in Ferguson at all?

    Yeah, Sharpton doesn't speak at all for the community, that's why Michael Brown's family hired him to help coordinate with the protests.
  253. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Nowhere near it. Nowhere near it. Women aren't collectively protesting out in the streets and committing violent crime every single time one of their own is charged, convicted, or killed. Women aren't siding with "all" women just cause they're women.

    Tons of upper class, educated Northeastern women will not side with Southern, trailer park, Duck Dynasty country music listening women just because they're women. Doesn't happen.

    Persons such as Eleanor Clift and Lena Dunham are going to both side with their fellow sister Sarah Palin? Cause she's a woman? Come on! Not gonna happen even when it freezes over!

    Black women for instance, do NOT consider themselves to be women first. They're black first, and if it's a choice with siding with a white woman and a black man...race wins 100% of the time.

    There are too many internal divisions existing within the sisterhood that they're never going to collectively side together vs all men on various causes. Namely, due to the infighting, pettiness, backstabbing, etc.

    Race, however, trumps gender. It is living, real, almost has taken on mythical heroic proportions.

    Show me the gender riots breaking out whenever a woman on death row is fried. Show me the cities across the nation. You can't. The sisterhood isn't taking to the streets cause American Idol's on (or NPR's all things considered for the upscale).

    And besides....why should they miss the mall time? It's half off sale, come on! Get your priorities in line!

    Black women for instance, do NOT consider themselves to be women first. They’re black first, and if it’s a choice with siding with a white woman and a black man…race wins 100% of the time.

    I don’t know how long you’ve been a black woman, but If you are interested in doing actual research on this, I can probably introduce to someone who’s been one longer.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    This is a non-sequitur. We have tons and tons of information in the public arena that goes this.

    FACT: There are tons of black women in local, state, US governments. They tend to vote quite reliably for Affirmative Action, set asides, quotas, and other policies that primarily benefit blacks as a whole.

    We have other information that serves as research. Example: There was a trial back in mid 90s of a black man killing his white wife. The DA assumed "Hey, lets jury-pack with tons of black women cause they'll go with their gender and vote to convict him." Guess what? Didn't work out that way. They voted for SImpson's innocence because he was black. If the victims had been black, it's very possible that they'd have voted to convict but again, this assumption isn't necessarily a slam dunk to make. Maybe, possibly. But then again, maybe not.

    With blacks, color trumps everything. Race trumps gender. All we have to do is examine the various polls on these issues as well as the voting patterns of blacks (and then broken down further by gender) to see that its pretty much uniform across the board: As a group, blacks vote for their best interests for their race and gender is at best irrelevant and hardly at the forefront whatsoever.

    Even now, right now. Ferguson. Black women are some of the most loudest demonstrators and organizers of the protests that are being planned on behalf of....what exactly? A dead teenager? A male teenager at that. Now, why exactly should black women care about a male teenager? Cause he was black, duh!

    If it's a choice between siding with white women and siding with their color, black women side with their color. It's not even debatable the numbers are well over 90%.

    See, the modern feminist movement was largely upper class, elitist, Northeastern (NY and Boston primarily) some were also ethnics or non-Christian. It was not an organic movement but rather a top down leadership imposing itself on the majority of women at large. Some of their ideas made sense while others were just plain whackjobbery.

    Initially, for like the first twenty or so years, black women weren't even considered. At best they were an afterthought. "Oh, yeah, Shaneequah and Latreesha are included too, of course." Even now, the most prominent black feminist will turn on the drop of a dime and side with their race first and foremost.

    To them, feminism is just an elite whitey hustle and they ain't falling for it. And they do have a point. Very few white upscale higher educated feminists don't make a habit of hanging out in the hood and they don't have tons of black friends. These SWPL feminists (the vast majority of feminism's leaders and rank an filers remain white and don't understand race any better than they tend to understand the complex issues of gender for which they claim to authoritatively speak.)

    , @WhatEvvs
    I think what he was saying is that black women put genetic loyalties before gender. Although this commenter is for the most part a screaming idiot, I agree with him here. In fact, most women put genetic loyalties first, except for lesbian feminists.
  254. @Truth

    "Hold it hold it. Bill Cosby has a terrible reputation in the black community? How so? Tons of money check. Fooling around, check? No, not seeing why they don’t like him.

    Oh, the hypocrite angle perhaps. Calling out others for what he essentially does in private life.
     
    I know three people who know Bill Cosby personally and not one of them has ANYTHING positive to say about him. His "reputation" with the ladies was well known in the LA black community years before these stories came out, from what I've heard, his reputation is that of a miserable, miserable man.

    What is interesting is which individuals the black community tends to collectively anoint as role models and heroes, such as Travyon, Michael Brown, Tookie Williams, Mamul Mumia Jamal, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, etc.
     
    To quote one of your heroes; "Oh now there you go again..."

    Did you ever think for just a second that these so called "black role models" are more white media creations? Let me give you a subtle hint; THEY ARE.

    I had a conversation with a white, Army Command Sargent a few weeks ago in which he bought up "black spokesmen like Jesse and Al." I told him that both men have been practically non entities in "the black community" for at least 20 years. He was dumbfounded

    "But Cosby? Nah, that hypocrite? Wheras if he would just learn to keep it real and stuff, he’d be just fine."

    He did, to borrow your snark, "learn to keep it real" the way I understand the term; he is under suspicion of multiple rapes."

    "Probably as much a role model as Sharpton and Jackson (one a tax dodger the other an adulterer/jailbird)."

    Oh, and their they appear! I swear on a stack of bibles, I am answering your post in sequence as I read.

    Yep, there does tend to be a consistent pattern as to which individuals the community tends to annoint as an official role model and hero.
     
    Whom have the individuals in your "community" annointed as official role models and heroes?"


    Just wait til the verdict is publicly read. Getting ready to take to the streets and protest on behalf of their hero/role model.
     
    I'll answer this one in Haiku as a brain triggering device keeping in mind "your" heritage:

    The response tepid
    As passed with white Hispanic
    But fools do not learn


    I

    And almost the entire black community rallied around that “white media creation” O.J. Simpson when he was dead bang (irrefutable DNA evidence) guilty of murdering two white people.

    BTW, a friend of mine said blacks didn’t support Simpson out of doubt about his guilt, but from the certainty of it.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    "A friend of yours" is cited as an authority just why??

    There is a peculiar resistance to second-guessing a jury verdict in the public at large, even a patently unreasonable one. While the proportions were weirdly lopsided among blacks (8 to 1 ratio in favor), fully 42% of the non-black sample polled by Gallup also endorsed the verdict.

    , @Truth
    You don't understand the phrase "media creation."

    Here goes: OJ was a washed up ex-football player/actor 20 years past his prime, with whom a woman died under mysterious circumstances. Normally, this type of story would have died quickly, as it did with Robert Blake, and that music-producer-guy who's name escapes me now. Why did it go on with OJ, one of three guys who was very famous in the 70's yet now a "where-are-they-now" case in the 90's? One reason and one reason only...HE'S FUCKING, BLACK AND THE OTHER TWO AIN'T!

    This is what I mean by a "media creation" a guy "allegedly" killed his wife., so what it happens every day, ROBERT WAGNER'S wife died under mysterious circumstances, but Bob ain't black.

    So black people were just as happy to see a BLACK person get exonerated for "allegedly" killing a white woman, as white people were, unhappy, after the media did a 12 month daily ritual on OJ and all of his pecadillos.

    The question, old Sport, that you should be asking, is not why black people celebrated when OJ was exonerated, but why white people are still angry at him, and not Robert Wagner or Robert Blake, 20 years later.
  255. @David In TN
    And almost the entire black community rallied around that "white media creation" O.J. Simpson when he was dead bang (irrefutable DNA evidence) guilty of murdering two white people.

    BTW, a friend of mine said blacks didn't support Simpson out of doubt about his guilt, but from the certainty of it.

    “A friend of yours” is cited as an authority just why??

    There is a peculiar resistance to second-guessing a jury verdict in the public at large, even a patently unreasonable one. While the proportions were weirdly lopsided among blacks (8 to 1 ratio in favor), fully 42% of the non-black sample polled by Gallup also endorsed the verdict.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    The "friend of mine" has considerable street experience with blacks in Brooklyn and Queens. His name is Nicholas Stix and he has his own blog. You could take it up with him.

    In 1994, I was working in a place with plenty of black employees. Discussing the Simpson case with them was very enlightening.
  256. @Truth

    Black women for instance, do NOT consider themselves to be women first. They’re black first, and if it’s a choice with siding with a white woman and a black man…race wins 100% of the time.
     
    I don't know how long you've been a black woman, but If you are interested in doing actual research on this, I can probably introduce to someone who's been one longer.

    This is a non-sequitur. We have tons and tons of information in the public arena that goes this.

    FACT: There are tons of black women in local, state, US governments. They tend to vote quite reliably for Affirmative Action, set asides, quotas, and other policies that primarily benefit blacks as a whole.

    We have other information that serves as research. Example: There was a trial back in mid 90s of a black man killing his white wife. The DA assumed “Hey, lets jury-pack with tons of black women cause they’ll go with their gender and vote to convict him.” Guess what? Didn’t work out that way. They voted for SImpson’s innocence because he was black. If the victims had been black, it’s very possible that they’d have voted to convict but again, this assumption isn’t necessarily a slam dunk to make. Maybe, possibly. But then again, maybe not.

    With blacks, color trumps everything. Race trumps gender. All we have to do is examine the various polls on these issues as well as the voting patterns of blacks (and then broken down further by gender) to see that its pretty much uniform across the board: As a group, blacks vote for their best interests for their race and gender is at best irrelevant and hardly at the forefront whatsoever.

    Even now, right now. Ferguson. Black women are some of the most loudest demonstrators and organizers of the protests that are being planned on behalf of….what exactly? A dead teenager? A male teenager at that. Now, why exactly should black women care about a male teenager? Cause he was black, duh!

    If it’s a choice between siding with white women and siding with their color, black women side with their color. It’s not even debatable the numbers are well over 90%.

    See, the modern feminist movement was largely upper class, elitist, Northeastern (NY and Boston primarily) some were also ethnics or non-Christian. It was not an organic movement but rather a top down leadership imposing itself on the majority of women at large. Some of their ideas made sense while others were just plain whackjobbery.

    Initially, for like the first twenty or so years, black women weren’t even considered. At best they were an afterthought. “Oh, yeah, Shaneequah and Latreesha are included too, of course.” Even now, the most prominent black feminist will turn on the drop of a dime and side with their race first and foremost.

    To them, feminism is just an elite whitey hustle and they ain’t falling for it. And they do have a point. Very few white upscale higher educated feminists don’t make a habit of hanging out in the hood and they don’t have tons of black friends. These SWPL feminists (the vast majority of feminism’s leaders and rank an filers remain white and don’t understand race any better than they tend to understand the complex issues of gender for which they claim to authoritatively speak.)

  257. @David In TN
    And almost the entire black community rallied around that "white media creation" O.J. Simpson when he was dead bang (irrefutable DNA evidence) guilty of murdering two white people.

    BTW, a friend of mine said blacks didn't support Simpson out of doubt about his guilt, but from the certainty of it.

    You don’t understand the phrase “media creation.”

    Here goes: OJ was a washed up ex-football player/actor 20 years past his prime, with whom a woman died under mysterious circumstances. Normally, this type of story would have died quickly, as it did with Robert Blake, and that music-producer-guy who’s name escapes me now. Why did it go on with OJ, one of three guys who was very famous in the 70′s yet now a “where-are-they-now” case in the 90′s? One reason and one reason only…HE’S FUCKING, BLACK AND THE OTHER TWO AIN’T!

    This is what I mean by a “media creation” a guy “allegedly” killed his wife., so what it happens every day, ROBERT WAGNER’S wife died under mysterious circumstances, but Bob ain’t black.

    So black people were just as happy to see a BLACK person get exonerated for “allegedly” killing a white woman, as white people were, unhappy, after the media did a 12 month daily ritual on OJ and all of his pecadillos.

    The question, old Sport, that you should be asking, is not why black people celebrated when OJ was exonerated, but why white people are still angry at him, and not Robert Wagner or Robert Blake, 20 years later.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    No comparison. O.J. still had a gig on NBC sports and had just gotten his best acting role in some time on an NBC TV movie. O.J. was the biggest star in sports in the 1970's, had stayed in the public eye, and had fame and a positive public image Blake and Wagner never remotely had.

    "So black people were just as happy to see a BLACK person get exonerated for 'allegedly' killing a white woman, as white people were unhappy, after the media did a 12 month daily ritual on OJ and all of his pecadillos."

    Jeffrey Toobin in his book on the case wrote that the media spent its time during the trial picking away at the prosecution's case and never acknowledged the evidence against Simpson was, in Toobin's words, "overwhelming."

    "The question, old Sport, that you should be asking, is not why black people celebrated when OJ was exonerated, but why white people are still angry at him, and not Robert Wagner or Robert Blake, 20 years later."

    The question, old Truth, that you should be asking is whether black people were either too stupid to understand the scientific evidence, or approved of OJ killing two white people.

    Which one is it?

    And just what evidence was there, aside from supposition, for charging Robert Wagner?
  258. @Art Deco
    "A friend of yours" is cited as an authority just why??

    There is a peculiar resistance to second-guessing a jury verdict in the public at large, even a patently unreasonable one. While the proportions were weirdly lopsided among blacks (8 to 1 ratio in favor), fully 42% of the non-black sample polled by Gallup also endorsed the verdict.

    The “friend of mine” has considerable street experience with blacks in Brooklyn and Queens. His name is Nicholas Stix and he has his own blog. You could take it up with him.

    In 1994, I was working in a place with plenty of black employees. Discussing the Simpson case with them was very enlightening.

  259. In 1994, I was working in a place with plenty of black employees. Discussing the Simpson case with them was very enlightening.

    Why are you denying us enlightenment?

    • Replies: @David In TN
    You can enlighten yourself on this subject if so inclined.
  260. @Truth
    You don't understand the phrase "media creation."

    Here goes: OJ was a washed up ex-football player/actor 20 years past his prime, with whom a woman died under mysterious circumstances. Normally, this type of story would have died quickly, as it did with Robert Blake, and that music-producer-guy who's name escapes me now. Why did it go on with OJ, one of three guys who was very famous in the 70's yet now a "where-are-they-now" case in the 90's? One reason and one reason only...HE'S FUCKING, BLACK AND THE OTHER TWO AIN'T!

    This is what I mean by a "media creation" a guy "allegedly" killed his wife., so what it happens every day, ROBERT WAGNER'S wife died under mysterious circumstances, but Bob ain't black.

    So black people were just as happy to see a BLACK person get exonerated for "allegedly" killing a white woman, as white people were, unhappy, after the media did a 12 month daily ritual on OJ and all of his pecadillos.

    The question, old Sport, that you should be asking, is not why black people celebrated when OJ was exonerated, but why white people are still angry at him, and not Robert Wagner or Robert Blake, 20 years later.

    No comparison. O.J. still had a gig on NBC sports and had just gotten his best acting role in some time on an NBC TV movie. O.J. was the biggest star in sports in the 1970′s, had stayed in the public eye, and had fame and a positive public image Blake and Wagner never remotely had.

    “So black people were just as happy to see a BLACK person get exonerated for ‘allegedly’ killing a white woman, as white people were unhappy, after the media did a 12 month daily ritual on OJ and all of his pecadillos.”

    Jeffrey Toobin in his book on the case wrote that the media spent its time during the trial picking away at the prosecution’s case and never acknowledged the evidence against Simpson was, in Toobin’s words, “overwhelming.”

    “The question, old Sport, that you should be asking, is not why black people celebrated when OJ was exonerated, but why white people are still angry at him, and not Robert Wagner or Robert Blake, 20 years later.”

    The question, old Truth, that you should be asking is whether black people were either too stupid to understand the scientific evidence, or approved of OJ killing two white people.

    Which one is it?

    And just what evidence was there, aside from supposition, for charging Robert Wagner?

  261. @Hard Line Realist

    In 1994, I was working in a place with plenty of black employees. Discussing the Simpson case with them was very enlightening.
     
    Why are you denying us enlightenment?

    You can enlighten yourself on this subject if so inclined.

  262. @Truth

    Black women for instance, do NOT consider themselves to be women first. They’re black first, and if it’s a choice with siding with a white woman and a black man…race wins 100% of the time.
     
    I don't know how long you've been a black woman, but If you are interested in doing actual research on this, I can probably introduce to someone who's been one longer.

    I think what he was saying is that black women put genetic loyalties before gender. Although this commenter is for the most part a screaming idiot, I agree with him here. In fact, most women put genetic loyalties first, except for lesbian feminists.

  263. @Truth

    "Hold it hold it. Bill Cosby has a terrible reputation in the black community? How so? Tons of money check. Fooling around, check? No, not seeing why they don’t like him.

    Oh, the hypocrite angle perhaps. Calling out others for what he essentially does in private life.
     
    I know three people who know Bill Cosby personally and not one of them has ANYTHING positive to say about him. His "reputation" with the ladies was well known in the LA black community years before these stories came out, from what I've heard, his reputation is that of a miserable, miserable man.

    What is interesting is which individuals the black community tends to collectively anoint as role models and heroes, such as Travyon, Michael Brown, Tookie Williams, Mamul Mumia Jamal, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, etc.
     
    To quote one of your heroes; "Oh now there you go again..."

    Did you ever think for just a second that these so called "black role models" are more white media creations? Let me give you a subtle hint; THEY ARE.

    I had a conversation with a white, Army Command Sargent a few weeks ago in which he bought up "black spokesmen like Jesse and Al." I told him that both men have been practically non entities in "the black community" for at least 20 years. He was dumbfounded

    "But Cosby? Nah, that hypocrite? Wheras if he would just learn to keep it real and stuff, he’d be just fine."

    He did, to borrow your snark, "learn to keep it real" the way I understand the term; he is under suspicion of multiple rapes."

    "Probably as much a role model as Sharpton and Jackson (one a tax dodger the other an adulterer/jailbird)."

    Oh, and their they appear! I swear on a stack of bibles, I am answering your post in sequence as I read.

    Yep, there does tend to be a consistent pattern as to which individuals the community tends to annoint as an official role model and hero.
     
    Whom have the individuals in your "community" annointed as official role models and heroes?"


    Just wait til the verdict is publicly read. Getting ready to take to the streets and protest on behalf of their hero/role model.
     
    I'll answer this one in Haiku as a brain triggering device keeping in mind "your" heritage:

    The response tepid
    As passed with white Hispanic
    But fools do not learn


    I

    You do need to calm down a bit, keep the blood pressure to a normal level.

    First, ah, no, he’s not “my” hero. Assumptions, that’s a no no.

    “I know three people who know Bill Cosby personally and not one of them has ANYTHING positive to say about him. His “reputation” with the ladies was well known in the LA black community years before these stories came out”

    OMG!!! You know THREE WHOLE PEOPLE! You’re an “expert”! OMG, dude! Fantastic. If we only had a dime for everyone in the woodwork who “knows a dude who knows a celeb” we’d all be….

    Honestly now, you need to wise up a bit there. What was Cosby’s reputation in the mass market, that which built his fortune? That he was the white equivalent of Father Knows Best, the new Robert Young, etc. His fortune post late 70′s was not built on racy skits, underground blaxploitation flicks, etc. It was built off Fat Albert, Picture Page, Jell-O, The Huxtables. All family friendly.

    “Did you ever think for just a second that these so called “black role models” are more white media creations?

    I did think that, for about a second. The year was 1992. Various common sense facts of that decade woke me up and since that time I haven’t foolishly naively taken the Neo-Con sucker bait as you apparently have.

    You forgot the rejoinder, “If only the blacks would leave the ‘liberal plantation’ and embrace enterprise zones and school choice, they’d naturally vote Republican! That’s the ticket! Everyone knows that blacks are natural conservatives!”

    They are? Do they vote that way as a group? Seriously?

    See, Jesse and Al still remain popular within the black community. They still carry weight and influence. The NAACP is still a major public organization that represents blacks at the national level. No major black leader in the mainstream of any kind will dispute this. NOTE: I’m not referring to outliers such as Thomas Sowell. He doesn’t carry any cred much less weight with the black community at large as the vast majority of his readers and admirers tend to be whites.

    And in Black Liberation Theology, acting white is one of the major cardinal sins a community member can commit.

    The white mainstream media is not holding up Peterson and Ray Rice (and OJ for that matter) as role models and heroes, the black community is. It’s actually fairly simple and predictable. Some whites in the media start to criticize some aspects of these most upstanding heroes, the community takes offense which in turn turns to anger. Then they close ranks around the particular person (“He may be a so and so but he’s OUR so and so!”). And anything that tends to piss off whitey automatically increases the individual black’s community cred.

    “Let me give you a subtle hint; THEY ARE.””

    Uh, NO they are NOT. Based on official polls taken for the last, oh, thirty-forty years on these subjects.

    FACT: Blacks vote around 90% for democratic candidates at all election levels. For Obama, they voted around 95% Wonder why that was? HINT: Because Obama is perceived as more less white than Mitt Romney and McCain (they do have a point on this one. Romney does look white at least to me).

    FACT: Corporately, collectively, blacks side with their own. This is born out in poll after poll and in how they actually vote. It’s all nice and well to say that blacks attend church and are pro-life (even though they have a about the same rate of abortions as whites). How do they live their lives day to day? Not too well, actually (ca.75% out of wedlock total number of blacks).

    FACT: The community supports its own. If whitey is accusing one of their own, they support their own no matter what. Facts, evidence, etc be damned. What counts is that they’re not going to allow whitey to take out a community member.

    FACT: Outliers such as Jason Riley, Ben Carson, Thomas Sowell, Jason Whitlock (to a growing extent) carry little to no weight with blacks as a whole. Their main audience is white. Blacks consider these people and others to be race traitors. Another example who could find his standing in the community to be in limbo is RG3 , some are calling him a “cornball brother” means: We’re not too sure about you.

    FACT: LA assistant prosecuting attorney on OJ case Christopher Darden was told by Johnnie Cochran after the verdict “Don’t worry, one day we may let you back into the community.” So it’s totally asinine to suggest that the community isn’t run by a few strict rules, which are:

    1. Don’t ever side vs the community (the race).

    2. Don’t ever attempt to “act white” in public. If you do either of these two things you’ll be excommunicated.

    FACT: What you tend to forget is that Al Sharpton doesn’t have to try very hard to stoke the flames of racial animosity because there’s constant kindling always lit and ready to burn. If there wasn’t, Sharpton would’ve disappeared by now. The fact that he is an official advisor to Obama on various issues tells you all you need to know about the community. They’re not protesting Al Sharpton or demanding that he step down and stop speaking for blacks collectively because HE DOES SPEAK FOR THEM COLLECTIVELY.

    “I had a conversation with a white, Army Command Sargent a few weeks ago in which he bought up “black spokesmen like Jesse and Al.” I told him that both men have been practically non entities in “the black community” for at least 20 years. He was dumbfounded”

    OK. Two whites talking about the black community. And you know all about them because you’re….? You know, it’s one thing when this piece of…was first said decades ago. It’s no longer very funny.

    FACT: Irrelevant non-entities do NOT get invited to the White House to discuss policy on racial issues, DUH! They don’t even get invited to the white house, period.

    FACT: Obama was once a community organizer, you seem to forget that fact. He has way more in common with both Jackson and Sharpton (both are community organizers) than with Thomas Sowell and Ben Carson. He thinks the same way on race. All we have to do is examine his legislation and policies.

    Honestly now.

    Notice: Whenever a white person is killed by a black person you don’t tend to see whites take to the streets to riot, burn, rob, etc entire cities? Did you not observe what went on this summer in Ferguson at all?

    Yeah, Sharpton doesn’t speak at all for the community, that’s why Michael Brown’s family hired him to help coordinate with the protests.

  264. @Jefferson
    "“In 1997 in Los Angeles, Cosby’s 27-year old son was shot in the head and killed by an 18-year old Ukranian immigrant. After that, I remember reading that Cosby’s wife openly exclaimed that she hated White people.”

    If James Caan's son Scott Caan for example was shot in the head and killed by a Jamaican immigrant and James wife openly exclaimed that she hated Black people, she would not get a pass from the media like Bill Cosby's wife did.

    “If James Caan’s son Scott Caan for example was shot in the head and killed by a Jamaican immigrant and James wife openly exclaimed that she hated Black people, she would not get a pass from the media like Bill Cosby’s wife did.”

    This comparison is off for one reason. I have never heard of a parent of a white person murdered by blacks publicly declaring “I hate black people.” They (sometimes) say they hate the killer, but it’s never “I hate all black people because they raped and murdered my daughter.”

    I’ve followed trials for decades and have never seen a white parent say something like Bill Cosby’s wife did. On the other hand, Trayvon Martin’s and Michael Brown’s parents travel the country (and even the world) attacking “racist white America.”

    Not to mention, the two above killings look justifiable on the evidence. And there are many, many cases of wholly innocent black people being murdered that The Community reacts to with indifference. Why? The killer was also black.

  265. OK mass response:

    No comparison. O.J. still had a gig on NBC sports and had just gotten his best acting role in some time on an NBC TV movie.

    His best acting role in some time was a TV movie huh? Yeah he was Clint Eastwood in the early 90′s.

    Jeffrey Toobin in his book on the case wrote that the media spent its time during the trial picking away at the prosecution’s case and never acknowledged the evidence against Simpson was, in Toobin’s words, “overwhelming.”

    And you’ve never acknowledged that OJ spent millions of dollars on the best lawyers in America…nicknamed “The Legal Dream Team” if you remember, and their competition was $70,000 a year public prosecutors. Look up Racehorse Haynes on Steve’s old website to find out how well this works for the DA’s office.

    “The question, old Truth, that you should be asking is whether black people were either too stupid to understand the scientific evidence, or approved of OJ killing two white people.

    And the question you should be asking, is “why do I continue to concern myself about OJ 20 years later, he is in jail, and Phil Spector killed a more attractive white woman, Robert Blake killed a white woman who was at one time fairly attractive, and Robert Wagner (possibly) killed one who was a knockout.” So, now tell me, why are you continually harping on ONE man who was killed a white woman, when he is in jail, and the others are not? What does OJ have that Spector, Blake and Wagner do not? I for one can’t figure it out.

    “Honestly now, you need to wise up a bit there. What was Cosby’s reputation in the mass market, that which built his fortune? That he was the white equivalent of Father Knows Best, the new Robert Young, etc. His fortune post late 70′s was not built on racy skits, underground blaxploitation flicks, etc. It was built off Fat Albert, Picture Page, Jell-O, The Huxtables. All family friendly.”

    And this means exactly what?

    I think what he was saying is that black women put genetic loyalties before gender. Although this commenter is for the most part a screaming idiot…In fact, most women put genetic loyalties first, except for lesbian feminists.

    Of course women of all races do; THAT’S WHY SO MANY OF THEM HAVE AFFAIRS WITH THEIR FRIEND’S, MOTHER’S, SISTER’S HUSBANDS. There is no great warm sisterhood amongst any group of women, any woman would tell you this. Yes, black women will chose a black man over a white woman, guess what, they’ll choose a black man over a black woman too! You and I get this, the other poster, apparently does not.

    I did think that, for about a second. The year was 1992. Various common sense facts of that decade woke me up and since that time I haven’t foolishly naively taken the Neo-Con sucker bait as you apparently have.

    As you’ve gotten tremendously off topic, your original point was this:

    Yep, there does tend to be a consistent pattern as to which individuals the community tends to annoint as an official role model and hero.

    You were making a supposition as to who the black people “annoint as role models”, pointing to Bill Cosby in a snarky way. You know nothing, other than what CNN (an organization run by white people) tells you. So tell me, who does the white community collectively “annoint as an official role model and hero?”

    • Replies: @David In TN
    Thanks, Truth for a window into the black thinking process.
  266. Everyone knows that blacks are natural conservatives!”

    They are? Do they vote that way as a group? Seriously?”

    Most black people voted for Republicans 100 years ago, Eisenhower won 40% of the black vote 60 years ago, and blacks may vote for Republicans 20 years from now. Everything is cyclical, bro.

    HINT: Because Obama is perceived as more less white than Mitt Romney and McCain (they do have a point on this one. Romney does look white at least to me).

    And I guess that makes John Kerry and Al Gore less white than Boy George?

    “FACT: Corporately, collectively, blacks side with their own. This is born out in poll after poll and in how they actually vote.”

    Uh, no Big Chief, in my lifetime, no Black Republican, be it Lynn Swann, Mia Love, Tim Scott, Allan West, or the guy who just won in Texas, has won the black vote vs. a white democrat.

  267. FACT: Irrelevant non-entities do NOT get invited to the White House to discuss policy on racial issues, DUH! They don’t even get invited to the white house, period.

    Football players get invited to the white house.

    “FACT: Obama was once a community organizer, you seem to forget that fact. He has way more in common with both Jackson and Sharpton (both are community organizers) than with Thomas Sowell and Ben Carson. He thinks the same way on race. All we have to do is examine his legislation and policies.

    Every politician is a “community organizer” that’s the only way to get votes.

    “Notice: Whenever a white person is killed by a black person you don’t tend to see whites take to the streets to riot, burn, rob, etc entire cities? Did you not observe what went on this summer in Ferguson at all?

    YES, I OBSERVED IT IN JOLIET, IL, JACKSON, MS AND BEAUMONT, TX TOO!*

    http://rollingout.com/culture/white-teens-have-three-way-sex-on-top-of-dead-corpses-of-two-black-men-from-illinois/#_

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Craig_Anderson

    http://www.12newsnow.com/story/14040768/guilty-plea-expected-in-dragging-trail

    *(oh wait, no I didn’t, I must have been at the gas station when it happened.)

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Football players are invited as window dressing (post-Super Bowl), photo ops. They do NOT advise the president on policy/legislation matters.

    Uh, no, not every single presidential candidate is a community organizer. Actually, whites don't have community organizers. If they did, the MSM would call them racist for even thinking there's a need to have them in the first place. After all, those born of "white privilege" don't need community organizers to help ordinary members.

    All the black candidates you mentioned ran under the GOP banner. That is exactly why the black community didn't vote for them.

    I said that "acting white" is a cardinal sin in the community's eyes. And the GOP is increasingly a white party. Therefore, in the community's eyes, Scott, Swann, Love, West, etc aren't "authentically" black. Collectively, blacks vote for their interests as well as their race; any black candidate vs their interests (e.g. Against quotas, Affirmative Action, set asides, more minority hiring in government, etc) is no longer part of the black community; he's been officially excommunicated. The only way for these black candidates to win office is to run as Republicans, which alienates them further from the black community since those who voted for these candidates were white Republicans.

    Example: Clarence Thomas. Do the majority of blacks support him and look to him as a role model?

    NO!

  268. BTW, is someone actually going to put up a quote from Camile Cosby or are we just going to assume this ass-pulled attribution is true?

    …On second thought, please don’t answer that.

  269. @Truth
    OK mass response:


    No comparison. O.J. still had a gig on NBC sports and had just gotten his best acting role in some time on an NBC TV movie.
     
    His best acting role in some time was a TV movie huh? Yeah he was Clint Eastwood in the early 90's.


    Jeffrey Toobin in his book on the case wrote that the media spent its time during the trial picking away at the prosecution’s case and never acknowledged the evidence against Simpson was, in Toobin’s words, “overwhelming.”
     
    And you've never acknowledged that OJ spent millions of dollars on the best lawyers in America...nicknamed "The Legal Dream Team" if you remember, and their competition was $70,000 a year public prosecutors. Look up Racehorse Haynes on Steve's old website to find out how well this works for the DA's office.


    "The question, old Truth, that you should be asking is whether black people were either too stupid to understand the scientific evidence, or approved of OJ killing two white people.
     
    And the question you should be asking, is "why do I continue to concern myself about OJ 20 years later, he is in jail, and Phil Spector killed a more attractive white woman, Robert Blake killed a white woman who was at one time fairly attractive, and Robert Wagner (possibly) killed one who was a knockout." So, now tell me, why are you continually harping on ONE man who was killed a white woman, when he is in jail, and the others are not? What does OJ have that Spector, Blake and Wagner do not? I for one can't figure it out.

    "Honestly now, you need to wise up a bit there. What was Cosby’s reputation in the mass market, that which built his fortune? That he was the white equivalent of Father Knows Best, the new Robert Young, etc. His fortune post late 70′s was not built on racy skits, underground blaxploitation flicks, etc. It was built off Fat Albert, Picture Page, Jell-O, The Huxtables. All family friendly."

    And this means exactly what?

    I think what he was saying is that black women put genetic loyalties before gender. Although this commenter is for the most part a screaming idiot...In fact, most women put genetic loyalties first, except for lesbian feminists.
     
    Of course women of all races do; THAT'S WHY SO MANY OF THEM HAVE AFFAIRS WITH THEIR FRIEND'S, MOTHER'S, SISTER'S HUSBANDS. There is no great warm sisterhood amongst any group of women, any woman would tell you this. Yes, black women will chose a black man over a white woman, guess what, they'll choose a black man over a black woman too! You and I get this, the other poster, apparently does not.


    I did think that, for about a second. The year was 1992. Various common sense facts of that decade woke me up and since that time I haven’t foolishly naively taken the Neo-Con sucker bait as you apparently have.
     
    As you've gotten tremendously off topic, your original point was this:


    Yep, there does tend to be a consistent pattern as to which individuals the community tends to annoint as an official role model and hero.
     
    You were making a supposition as to who the black people "annoint as role models", pointing to Bill Cosby in a snarky way. You know nothing, other than what CNN (an organization run by white people) tells you. So tell me, who does the white community collectively "annoint as an official role model and hero?"

    Thanks, Truth for a window into the black thinking process.

  270. Troofie, good to have you back, “sport”! We need a representative of the Talented Tenth.

  271. “Anonymous says:

    “Let me see if I understand”.

    You clearly understand nothing. Take another two years off. Nobody will miss you.”

    Indeed. He was not missed, and he is not welcomed back. As to what explained his (welcome) hiatus: maybe he didn’t have internet access in the joint.

    Funny – he says that we are predictable. Where does he first choose to leave his scent? On a post about a famous black guy who’s been revealed to be a heel. That’s “Truth” for you – he can always be counted on to stick up for black guys behaving badly.

  272. @Truth



    FACT: Irrelevant non-entities do NOT get invited to the White House to discuss policy on racial issues, DUH! They don’t even get invited to the white house, period.
     
    Football players get invited to the white house.

    "FACT: Obama was once a community organizer, you seem to forget that fact. He has way more in common with both Jackson and Sharpton (both are community organizers) than with Thomas Sowell and Ben Carson. He thinks the same way on race. All we have to do is examine his legislation and policies.
     
    Every politician is a "community organizer" that's the only way to get votes.


    "Notice: Whenever a white person is killed by a black person you don’t tend to see whites take to the streets to riot, burn, rob, etc entire cities? Did you not observe what went on this summer in Ferguson at all?
     
    YES, I OBSERVED IT IN JOLIET, IL, JACKSON, MS AND BEAUMONT, TX TOO!*

    http://rollingout.com/culture/white-teens-have-three-way-sex-on-top-of-dead-corpses-of-two-black-men-from-illinois/#_

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Craig_Anderson

    http://www.12newsnow.com/story/14040768/guilty-plea-expected-in-dragging-trail


    *(oh wait, no I didn't, I must have been at the gas station when it happened.)

    Football players are invited as window dressing (post-Super Bowl), photo ops. They do NOT advise the president on policy/legislation matters.

    Uh, no, not every single presidential candidate is a community organizer. Actually, whites don’t have community organizers. If they did, the MSM would call them racist for even thinking there’s a need to have them in the first place. After all, those born of “white privilege” don’t need community organizers to help ordinary members.

    All the black candidates you mentioned ran under the GOP banner. That is exactly why the black community didn’t vote for them.

    I said that “acting white” is a cardinal sin in the community’s eyes. And the GOP is increasingly a white party. Therefore, in the community’s eyes, Scott, Swann, Love, West, etc aren’t “authentically” black. Collectively, blacks vote for their interests as well as their race; any black candidate vs their interests (e.g. Against quotas, Affirmative Action, set asides, more minority hiring in government, etc) is no longer part of the black community; he’s been officially excommunicated. The only way for these black candidates to win office is to run as Republicans, which alienates them further from the black community since those who voted for these candidates were white Republicans.

    Example: Clarence Thomas. Do the majority of blacks support him and look to him as a role model?

    NO!

    • Replies: @Truth



    Football players are invited as window dressing (post-Super Bowl), photo ops. They do NOT advise the president on policy/legislation matters.
     
    OK, NOW your're starting to get it! Al Sharpton was invited as window dressing photo ops for white liberals/ old washed up black people with whom Barry wants to pretend like he gives a shit about "racial relations; took a while grasshopper, but it's worth it!



    Troofie, good to have you back, “sport”! We need a representative of the Talented Tenth.
     
    Thanks, my friend.
    , @Truth

    All the black candidates you mentioned ran under the GOP banner. That is exactly why the black community didn’t vote for them.
     
    But wait! A few posts ago you just wrote "all black people support anything black" or something simple like that.

    Does wearing a lapel pin with an elephant on it make you a white guy? Shit I need to go get a few and give them to my homies.

    blacks vote for their interests
     
    And I take it whites vote for politicians who do nothing they can identify with? Strange race you are, I don't think it's supposed to work that way, but I could be wrong.
    , @Truth

    Example: Clarence Thomas. Do the majority of blacks support him and look to him as a role model?
     
    FOR THE FOUR-HUNDREDTH FUCKING TIME; WHO DO WHITE PEOPLE COLLECTIVELY SUPPORT AND LOOK AT AS A ROLE MODEL? Please give me one name that all white people look up to and rally around.
    , @Truth
    "The War of Northern Aggression?"

    When I was a freshman in college I had an English class with 100+ students in a lecture hall. Our assignment was to read The Diary of Ann Frank, and the professor was trying to encourage a sleepy and uninterested class into a discussion.

    Anyway, no one wanted to engage except the tall, fat, very effeminate, gay white guy. He starts bloviating on and on about "The Diary of Ahhhhhhhn Frahhhhhhnk, The Diary of Ahhhhhhn Frahhhhhnk", using, I asume wht he thought was the proper German pronounciation, yet sounding totally pretentious.

    Finally from the back of the class, one of the baseball cap wearing rancher boys goes;

    "It's Ann Frank you dick!"
  273. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:

    The tenor of Sailer’s post is very sympathetic towards Cosby, as it begins with a case where he was blackmailed and links it to another celeb who was blackmailed. With this picture of Cos the victim in mind, Sailer goes on to sneer at the rape accusations.

    OK, it looks as if I was right about Cos and the NE:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/21/bill-cosby-lawyers-threaten-sue-national-enquirer-2005-investigation

    Lawyers acting for Bill Cosby cajoled the tabloid magazine the National Enquirer into ditching a groundbreaking investigation it had conducted into his alleged sexual misconduct and replacing it with a celebrity interview in which the comic dismissed the claims as money-motivated “misinterpretations”, the Guardian has learned.

    I actually feel a backhanded sympathy for the old fool. He’s been enabled for 40 years now. He probably doesn’t know what hit him. This culture consists of: celebrity worshiping, white guilt, give a guy a pass, and in general, brain-deadness.

    The point here is to have a secure moral compass that doesn’t respond to what’s fashionable, or what’s good for “my team.”

    Legally nothing can be done. It’s way too late. It’s a cautionary tale of what sick powerful men will do to the weak, and how a society builds up the famous. They are rarely what they appear to be, as Andrea Constand discovered.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "The tenor of Sailer’s post is very sympathetic towards Cosby, as it begins with a case where he was blackmailed and links it to another celeb who was blackmailed."

    Work on your reading comprehension skills. The two old posts me I linked to raise the question of why popular comedians get to have people thrown in jail.

    , @Truth



    I actually feel a backhanded sympathy for the old fool. He’s been enabled for 40 years now. He probably doesn’t know what hit him. This culture consists of: celebrity worshiping, white guilt, give a guy a pass, and in general, brain-deadness.
     
    I don't know Bro; talent generally has something to do with people giving one ungodly large sums of money as well, or do they just do that for black people? Tell me where to go!
  274. @CJ
    Wikipedia's entry on Ennis Cosby used to describe Markhasev as Russian Jewish. I don't know if that was correct or not. Here's an old post from a discussion board that cites the former entry:

    http://forums.pelicanparts.com/5021910-post33.html

    On January 16, 1997, Cosby had exited his Mercedes from Interstate 405, Los Angeles, to change a flat tire near the off-ramp on Skirball Center Drive when he was confronted by Mikhail Markhasev. Markhasev first confronted Stephanie Crane, who was in her car illuminating the area so that Ennis could see. Markhasev pulled his weapon on Crane who immediately drove away, leaving Ennis alone. According to prosecutors, Markhasev, a Russian Jewish/USSR-born immigrant, demanded money from Cosby, then shot Cosby in the head because he was moving too slowly, and fled the scene. Crane returned to the scene where she found Cosby dead. Markhasev was convicted after a jury trial.

    “Wikipedia’s entry on Ennis Cosby used to describe Markhasev as Russian Jewish…Here’s an old post from a discussion board that cites the former entry…”

    Every Wikipedia entry has a history of revisions, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ennis_Cosby&action=history When I went to the pelicanparts.com site you linked to (which, by the way, set off a virus threat from my security software) I saw that the post you refer to was made in Aug 2008 before I exited. However, none of the Wiki revisions for Ennis Cosby made around that time contained anything like that quotation, though I only went through a few. He was listed simply as a Ukrainian.

    I encourage you to search the Wiki archives yourself, but given what I’ve seen so far, I see nothing remotely convincing to suggest that Markhasev was Russian Jewish (he was actually born in Lvov, so that saying he was Russian is another claim that calls for some substantiation) or that Wikipedia ever claimed as much, though either or both are certainly possible.

    His apology to the Cosby family does indicate that his jailhouse return (or conversion) to Christianity was either genuine, or well acted, so for those who see this as a matter of scorekeeping, there’s that.

  275. @WhatEvvs
    The tenor of Sailer's post is very sympathetic towards Cosby, as it begins with a case where he was blackmailed and links it to another celeb who was blackmailed. With this picture of Cos the victim in mind, Sailer goes on to sneer at the rape accusations.

    OK, it looks as if I was right about Cos and the NE:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/21/bill-cosby-lawyers-threaten-sue-national-enquirer-2005-investigation

    Lawyers acting for Bill Cosby cajoled the tabloid magazine the National Enquirer into ditching a groundbreaking investigation it had conducted into his alleged sexual misconduct and replacing it with a celebrity interview in which the comic dismissed the claims as money-motivated “misinterpretations”, the Guardian has learned.
     
    I actually feel a backhanded sympathy for the old fool. He's been enabled for 40 years now. He probably doesn't know what hit him. This culture consists of: celebrity worshiping, white guilt, give a guy a pass, and in general, brain-deadness.

    The point here is to have a secure moral compass that doesn't respond to what's fashionable, or what's good for "my team."

    Legally nothing can be done. It's way too late. It's a cautionary tale of what sick powerful men will do to the weak, and how a society builds up the famous. They are rarely what they appear to be, as Andrea Constand discovered.

    “The tenor of Sailer’s post is very sympathetic towards Cosby, as it begins with a case where he was blackmailed and links it to another celeb who was blackmailed.”

    Work on your reading comprehension skills. The two old posts me I linked to raise the question of why popular comedians get to have people thrown in jail.

  276. 1. These women are spending 10x more time in the public eye smearing Cosby than they would have had to have spent in a rape case. That alone sends off alarm bells.

    The climate’s very different. Famous people don’t receive as much deference, and the victory of late-stage feminism means accusations of sexual misconduct by heterosexual men are taken much more seriously.

    It’s not hard to imagine someone being young and intimidated in the hostile climate of the 60s, and then old and emboldened in the friendly climate of the teens.

    Like that lying chick at Columbia and Lena Dunham, this is a case of women deciding after the fact that something was rape and using that for some attention/woe-is-me victimhood and perhaps a payday, whether from TV interviews/books or even reality shows.

    I’m reading the accounts in the Post now. They sound like standard date rape to me.

    Given the number, this sounds like a coordinated effort by someone to take Cosby down—an old business partner trying to screw him, perhaps?—it just sounds too coordinated, a la Donald Sterling. Or perhaps an Al Sharpton type angry that Bill criticizes modern black leadership.

    Did the Amerinds “coordinate” with the South to start the War of Northern Aggression? Because they definitely used the opportunity of the War of Northern Aggression to begin campaigns against the Union. People attack their enemies when they’re weakened. If you have a lot of enemies, you’ll have a lot of people attacking you when you’re weakened. Doesn’t make it a conspiracy.

    These chicks, notably, have made accusations that no one can disprove, since they involve allegations of drugging years ago. Right, honey, you were a grown adult who just happened to get into a compromising position with a powerful man who promised you the moon, didn’t deliver, but it was the drugs that made you sleep with him. Right.

    I see the legal/media aspects of this as being separate. Whether you think the accounts amount to crimes is up for debate. Whether you buy the “it was the drugs” thing is up for debate. That the accounts are eviscerating Cosby’s reputation, though, really isn’t up for debate. They’re stories about a shitbird, a sleazy sexual predator who preys on the weak.

    Reminds me of Tiger Woods and the Governator. Whether he committed a crime or not he certainly has a sleazy past as an adulterer and womanizer. Now he is reaping what he sowed.

    If these stories are mostly true, then adulterer and womanizer would be a huge step up for Cosby.

    Blackmail is, at base, illegal because the blackmailer becomes a co-conspirator in a crime. To demand money in exchange for silence, is to be complicit in covering up something that should be handled by the police.

    There’s tons of things blackmailers can and do use to blackmail people that have nothing to do with crime.

    The fact that it’s all emerging right now—right when he had a new show in the works—speaks of a Sterling-esque conspiracy by some disgruntled business partners. And magically that new show just got cancelled!

    It’s still thin. Again, one attacker gets the party started. Then other enemies sense weakness, the opportunity to strike, and start a feeding frenzy. This is more plausible than conspiracy theories.

    Of course Bill did some bad things, and those will see the light of day, but the number will likely shrink from 15 to a single digit number as the starlets/models get legal advice and decide to stay out of jail.

    Bill will hold off as long as he can stand, and then will cave in as they all do, like Clinton and the doping Tour de France bicyclist Armstrong.

    He may end up losing a fortune in delayed payouts, which will pale in comparison to his soon to be status as a shattered icon.

    I wouldn’t be too sure about that. If these women are giving their names and detailed accounts to the papers, then I’d guess they’re ready for the scrutiny. I wouldn’t bet the farm on their shrinking away en masse.

    I mean, I thought that Jennifer Lawrence was a wholesome, normal, girl next door type, when, in reality, she is just some fricken coke whore who probably went down on some member of the tribe to get her first acting gig and, in her spare time, makes amateur hardcore pron.

    Almost makes you want to drink yourself to death.

    Probably much more par than most would like to think. Imagine you’re a sleazy Hollywood bigshot. Who would you rather give the gig to, and who would you expect to reward you best? Donna Reed, or Jenna Jameson?

    Wasn’t it one of the rules of old mystery/crime fiction novels that killing a blackmailer wasn’t murder?

    Dunno, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was like murdering your wife and her lover after finding them in bed together; red meat for a temporary insanity defense.

    This woman believes the truth lies in the middle, that Cosby took advantage of several women, but that others who just drank/drugged excessively whilst partying with him are jumping on the bandwagon. It is usually the way of the world.

    I can buy that. Though I’d weight it toward the accusers, since most of them probably have little interest being dragged through the scrutiny just to proffer a false accusation.

    Now is THIS blackmail?

    No, it’s bribery.

    “So, if it was committed somewhere else would it have been less horrible?”

    Sure. If he’d been driving to Compton to buy drugs and got shot, yeah, it would have been sad. But it’s not that scary. But he had a flat tire or something like that on the 405 at Mulholland Drive and a carjacker murdered him.

    That’s how I feel about crime in the American -stans. If someone is murdered in an American -stan like California or New York, I think “meh, sad, but not that scary. The idiots let their gov’t take away their guns.” But if someone is murdered in a place where Constitutional rights are respected, it’s scarier.

  277. Since I could remember 1970s Cosby, I wasn’t hugely surprised by the 1997 blackmail scandal, but that was pretty appalling, sending somebody who may or may not have been his daughter to prison. I guess because it happened simultaneously with his son being murdered in a carjacking incident, it didn’t register widely on the media how bad Cosby’s behavior was. Looking at Google News even now, I don’t see many references to

    Cosby blackmail 1997

    So I guess it remains forgotten. But, anyway, put all that public record stuff together and the rumors that have floating around for years about Cosby seem pretty plausible. He is not a gentleman. On the other hand, we don’t know exactly what went on.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    The only place I recall seeing Cosby's 1997 blackmail scandal being covered was the National Enquirer. The tone was it was an extra cross for Bill Cosby to bear in addition to his son's murder.
    , @The most deplorable one
    Should we compare Cosby's contribution to Society with those of Shirtstorm Guy?

    Frankly, I think neither of them has done as much for the rest of us as all those guys working on figuring out how to pump more oil and gas out of the ground, although perhaps they have both been more entertaining.
  278. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Football players are invited as window dressing (post-Super Bowl), photo ops. They do NOT advise the president on policy/legislation matters.

    Uh, no, not every single presidential candidate is a community organizer. Actually, whites don't have community organizers. If they did, the MSM would call them racist for even thinking there's a need to have them in the first place. After all, those born of "white privilege" don't need community organizers to help ordinary members.

    All the black candidates you mentioned ran under the GOP banner. That is exactly why the black community didn't vote for them.

    I said that "acting white" is a cardinal sin in the community's eyes. And the GOP is increasingly a white party. Therefore, in the community's eyes, Scott, Swann, Love, West, etc aren't "authentically" black. Collectively, blacks vote for their interests as well as their race; any black candidate vs their interests (e.g. Against quotas, Affirmative Action, set asides, more minority hiring in government, etc) is no longer part of the black community; he's been officially excommunicated. The only way for these black candidates to win office is to run as Republicans, which alienates them further from the black community since those who voted for these candidates were white Republicans.

    Example: Clarence Thomas. Do the majority of blacks support him and look to him as a role model?

    NO!

    Football players are invited as window dressing (post-Super Bowl), photo ops. They do NOT advise the president on policy/legislation matters.

    OK, NOW your’re starting to get it! Al Sharpton was invited as window dressing photo ops for white liberals/ old washed up black people with whom Barry wants to pretend like he gives a shit about “racial relations; took a while grasshopper, but it’s worth it!

    Troofie, good to have you back, “sport”! We need a representative of the Talented Tenth.

    Thanks, my friend.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Now that's a lie. Sharpton was invited to advise for actual policy matters pertaining to race (e.g. Trayvon, Ferguson especially). Sharpton, unlike NFLers, has considerable influence within the black community. Obama couldn't (at least before '12 relection) afford to piss him off and risk losing some votes (blacks staying home) if he were perceived as not acting black enough.

    You know, you really ought to comment on Paul Kersey's blog. You and he would get along splendidly.

    Obama was a community organizer. Funny how you ignore that fact. Obama very much cares about his race's interests. "My Brother's Keeper" legislation is Affirmative Action writ large.

    You apparently are not getting it. Blacks vote their interests. Whites are not allowed to have interests based purely on their race.



    "Please give me one name that all white people look up to and rally around."

    THEY DON'T EXIST. And haven't for decades. Example: Look what happened to John Derbyshire when he pointed out about blacks in his famous article "The Talk". He was fired from National Review. Even pointing out blacks' dysfunctionalities can get you in trouble.

    You haven't been paying attention this summer to events in Ferguson.




    "But wait!"

    What, truthie, what are you going to say next?





    "A few posts ago you just wrote “all black people support anything black” or something simple like that."

    YES, and YET AGAIN, YOU DIDN'T READ VERY CAREFULLY. Blacks vote well over 90% for Democratic candidates whom they perceive to be looking out for their interests (Affirmative Action, quotas, set asides, black hiring in government, private sector, increased welfare benefits, head start, etc). They vote 95% or thereabouts for THOSE BLACK CANDIDATES THAT THEY PERCEIVE ARE LOOKING OUT FOR THEIR INTERESTS. If a black candidate is running as a GOP, then blacks will not support him because, in their eyes, he's "acting white" by running as part of the "white" party (GOP) AND he's not considered "Authentically" black. This theme comes up over and over and over and over and over. From black intellectuals as Ta-Nahesi Coates; Lani Guinier; Angela Davis; Cornell West; etc.

    If you're black BUT you don't support black's interests, you're excommunicated from the community and are considered to be a race traitor, siding with whitey.





    "Does wearing a lapel pin with an elephant on it make you a white guy?"

    Uh, it makes you NOT BLACK in the community's eyes. And 95% of blacks agree with that. Look at JC Watts: His support was always from heavily white voters. Same from Allen West; and all other GOP blacks. They are considered to be race traitors and therefore excommunicated from the community. Up until recently Collin Powell wasn't considered to be a full member of the black community and most of his support was from whites. Ward Connerly's support as an activist as never come from blacks but from whites. Same thing from Condoleeza Rice. All we have to do is observe who the black community as a whole considers to be authentically black (those individuals who vote their race's interests at the expense of all others) to know who they give their majority support to.






    "And I take it whites vote for politicians who do nothing they can identify with?"

    It is NOT based on race DIRECTLY. Race transcends all ethnics. Whites haven't consciously thought about their race and their race's best interests since....1920s? 1910s? Certainly haven't postWW2.

    Example: If a white politician of any kind were to publicly state "I'm white, and I want to pass policies that will only benefit my race's interests, what will happen to him? His career is over. Black politicians do this sort of thing all the time. They state straight up they will attempt to get policies for their race.

    When we say "Playing the race card"--that's not referring to whites. It's referring to blacks and blacks alone.

    I don't care. I actually think that's a welcome honesty in politics whenever politicians straight up tell you that they're only looking out for their group's interests. It isn't the same as the 19th century ward/district politicians who used to look out for their ethnicity. Race goes deeper than a single ethnic. It transcends all ethnicities. It is based entirely on skin color or what the community defines as authentically black.





    "Strange race you are,"

    I know you are, but what am I?





    "I don’t think it’s supposed to work that way, but I could be wrong."

    Life often doesn't work out the way we think it does. That's why it's called life. The uncertainty of it all. And yeah, you are wrong. You really think that Ferguson isn't based soley on race.

    Name another race that riots or threatens to riot if they don't get their way on some national/local issue. You can't. It's only blacks that riot, burn down cities, or threaten to if they don't get their way.






    "Shit I need to go get a few and give them to my homies."

    You're white. So, that really doesn't make very much sense.

    Again, I think you really should comment on Paul Kersey's blog. You and he would have a lot to discuss.
  279. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Football players are invited as window dressing (post-Super Bowl), photo ops. They do NOT advise the president on policy/legislation matters.

    Uh, no, not every single presidential candidate is a community organizer. Actually, whites don't have community organizers. If they did, the MSM would call them racist for even thinking there's a need to have them in the first place. After all, those born of "white privilege" don't need community organizers to help ordinary members.

    All the black candidates you mentioned ran under the GOP banner. That is exactly why the black community didn't vote for them.

    I said that "acting white" is a cardinal sin in the community's eyes. And the GOP is increasingly a white party. Therefore, in the community's eyes, Scott, Swann, Love, West, etc aren't "authentically" black. Collectively, blacks vote for their interests as well as their race; any black candidate vs their interests (e.g. Against quotas, Affirmative Action, set asides, more minority hiring in government, etc) is no longer part of the black community; he's been officially excommunicated. The only way for these black candidates to win office is to run as Republicans, which alienates them further from the black community since those who voted for these candidates were white Republicans.

    Example: Clarence Thomas. Do the majority of blacks support him and look to him as a role model?

    NO!

    All the black candidates you mentioned ran under the GOP banner. That is exactly why the black community didn’t vote for them.

    But wait! A few posts ago you just wrote “all black people support anything black” or something simple like that.

    Does wearing a lapel pin with an elephant on it make you a white guy? Shit I need to go get a few and give them to my homies.

    blacks vote for their interests

    And I take it whites vote for politicians who do nothing they can identify with? Strange race you are, I don’t think it’s supposed to work that way, but I could be wrong.

  280. @WhatEvvs
    The tenor of Sailer's post is very sympathetic towards Cosby, as it begins with a case where he was blackmailed and links it to another celeb who was blackmailed. With this picture of Cos the victim in mind, Sailer goes on to sneer at the rape accusations.

    OK, it looks as if I was right about Cos and the NE:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/21/bill-cosby-lawyers-threaten-sue-national-enquirer-2005-investigation

    Lawyers acting for Bill Cosby cajoled the tabloid magazine the National Enquirer into ditching a groundbreaking investigation it had conducted into his alleged sexual misconduct and replacing it with a celebrity interview in which the comic dismissed the claims as money-motivated “misinterpretations”, the Guardian has learned.
     
    I actually feel a backhanded sympathy for the old fool. He's been enabled for 40 years now. He probably doesn't know what hit him. This culture consists of: celebrity worshiping, white guilt, give a guy a pass, and in general, brain-deadness.

    The point here is to have a secure moral compass that doesn't respond to what's fashionable, or what's good for "my team."

    Legally nothing can be done. It's way too late. It's a cautionary tale of what sick powerful men will do to the weak, and how a society builds up the famous. They are rarely what they appear to be, as Andrea Constand discovered.

    I actually feel a backhanded sympathy for the old fool. He’s been enabled for 40 years now. He probably doesn’t know what hit him. This culture consists of: celebrity worshiping, white guilt, give a guy a pass, and in general, brain-deadness.

    I don’t know Bro; talent generally has something to do with people giving one ungodly large sums of money as well, or do they just do that for black people? Tell me where to go!

  281. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Football players are invited as window dressing (post-Super Bowl), photo ops. They do NOT advise the president on policy/legislation matters.

    Uh, no, not every single presidential candidate is a community organizer. Actually, whites don't have community organizers. If they did, the MSM would call them racist for even thinking there's a need to have them in the first place. After all, those born of "white privilege" don't need community organizers to help ordinary members.

    All the black candidates you mentioned ran under the GOP banner. That is exactly why the black community didn't vote for them.

    I said that "acting white" is a cardinal sin in the community's eyes. And the GOP is increasingly a white party. Therefore, in the community's eyes, Scott, Swann, Love, West, etc aren't "authentically" black. Collectively, blacks vote for their interests as well as their race; any black candidate vs their interests (e.g. Against quotas, Affirmative Action, set asides, more minority hiring in government, etc) is no longer part of the black community; he's been officially excommunicated. The only way for these black candidates to win office is to run as Republicans, which alienates them further from the black community since those who voted for these candidates were white Republicans.

    Example: Clarence Thomas. Do the majority of blacks support him and look to him as a role model?

    NO!

    Example: Clarence Thomas. Do the majority of blacks support him and look to him as a role model?

    FOR THE FOUR-HUNDREDTH FUCKING TIME; WHO DO WHITE PEOPLE COLLECTIVELY SUPPORT AND LOOK AT AS A ROLE MODEL? Please give me one name that all white people look up to and rally around.

  282. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Football players are invited as window dressing (post-Super Bowl), photo ops. They do NOT advise the president on policy/legislation matters.

    Uh, no, not every single presidential candidate is a community organizer. Actually, whites don't have community organizers. If they did, the MSM would call them racist for even thinking there's a need to have them in the first place. After all, those born of "white privilege" don't need community organizers to help ordinary members.

    All the black candidates you mentioned ran under the GOP banner. That is exactly why the black community didn't vote for them.

    I said that "acting white" is a cardinal sin in the community's eyes. And the GOP is increasingly a white party. Therefore, in the community's eyes, Scott, Swann, Love, West, etc aren't "authentically" black. Collectively, blacks vote for their interests as well as their race; any black candidate vs their interests (e.g. Against quotas, Affirmative Action, set asides, more minority hiring in government, etc) is no longer part of the black community; he's been officially excommunicated. The only way for these black candidates to win office is to run as Republicans, which alienates them further from the black community since those who voted for these candidates were white Republicans.

    Example: Clarence Thomas. Do the majority of blacks support him and look to him as a role model?

    NO!

    “The War of Northern Aggression?”

    When I was a freshman in college I had an English class with 100+ students in a lecture hall. Our assignment was to read The Diary of Ann Frank, and the professor was trying to encourage a sleepy and uninterested class into a discussion.

    Anyway, no one wanted to engage except the tall, fat, very effeminate, gay white guy. He starts bloviating on and on about “The Diary of Ahhhhhhhn Frahhhhhhnk, The Diary of Ahhhhhhn Frahhhhhnk”, using, I asume wht he thought was the proper German pronounciation, yet sounding totally pretentious.

    Finally from the back of the class, one of the baseball cap wearing rancher boys goes;

    “It’s Ann Frank you dick!”

  283. @Steve Sailer
    Since I could remember 1970s Cosby, I wasn't hugely surprised by the 1997 blackmail scandal, but that was pretty appalling, sending somebody who may or may not have been his daughter to prison. I guess because it happened simultaneously with his son being murdered in a carjacking incident, it didn't register widely on the media how bad Cosby's behavior was. Looking at Google News even now, I don't see many references to

    Cosby blackmail 1997

    So I guess it remains forgotten. But, anyway, put all that public record stuff together and the rumors that have floating around for years about Cosby seem pretty plausible. He is not a gentleman. On the other hand, we don't know exactly what went on.

    The only place I recall seeing Cosby’s 1997 blackmail scandal being covered was the National Enquirer. The tone was it was an extra cross for Bill Cosby to bear in addition to his son’s murder.

  284. Steve Sailer,

    What do you know about Michelle Hurd? She looks like a smoking gun to me. At least she compared notes with one. Let me rephrase this as, “Can we trust Michelle Hurd’s opinion of a smoking gun?”

  285. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Since I could remember 1970s Cosby, I wasn't hugely surprised by the 1997 blackmail scandal, but that was pretty appalling, sending somebody who may or may not have been his daughter to prison. I guess because it happened simultaneously with his son being murdered in a carjacking incident, it didn't register widely on the media how bad Cosby's behavior was. Looking at Google News even now, I don't see many references to

    Cosby blackmail 1997

    So I guess it remains forgotten. But, anyway, put all that public record stuff together and the rumors that have floating around for years about Cosby seem pretty plausible. He is not a gentleman. On the other hand, we don't know exactly what went on.

    Should we compare Cosby’s contribution to Society with those of Shirtstorm Guy?

    Frankly, I think neither of them has done as much for the rest of us as all those guys working on figuring out how to pump more oil and gas out of the ground, although perhaps they have both been more entertaining.

  286. “David In TN says:

    Thanks, Truth for a window into the black thinking process.”

    That is unfair. We cannot construe from “Truth”‘s posts that blacks are incapable of thinking. All we can conclude from them is that “Truth” is incapable of thinking.

    And let me be the first to thank his parole board for the end of his posting hiatus.

  287. @Anon 1
    It's interesting how two groups seem to generate 80% of each day's negative headlines: Blacks (Ferguson, and now Bill Cosby, basketball and football players, etc) and Jews (Michael Milken, Eliot Spitzer, Bernie Madoff, Anthony Weiner, Bob Filner (San Diego mayor), Donald Sterling, and many others, plus the almost constant bad news coming from Israel). On the other hand, despite their large numbers two other groups generate virtually no negative headlines: WASPs and Latinos(at least those born here).

    The first two groups seem wired to crave the limelight, and at least in the Jewish case we might get a clue from Ben Gurion's famous bon mot. He said that since most Jews don't believe in hell, the Jewish definition of hell is mediocrity

    The constant negative headlines about Israel are due to the media choosing to focus on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict rather than other conflicts that have been far bloodier.

  288. “The War of Northern Aggression?”

    When I was a freshman in college I had an English class with 100+ students in a lecture hall. Our assignment was to read The Diary of Ann Frank, and the professor was trying to encourage a sleepy and uninterested class into a discussion.

    Anyway, no one wanted to engage except the tall, fat, very effeminate, gay white guy. He starts bloviating on and on about “The Diary of Ahhhhhhhn Frahhhhhhnk, The Diary of Ahhhhhhn Frahhhhhnk”, using, I asume wht he thought was the proper German pronounciation, yet sounding totally pretentious.

    Finally from the back of the class, one of the baseball cap wearing rancher boys goes;

    “It’s Ann Frank you dick!”

    Great story. Reminds me of the time a guy who sleeps under a bridge was begging for change and told me a story.

  289. I hate it when I make a joke, then think of how it could’ve been twice as funny if I’d done it differently:

    When I was a freshman in college -

    Great story. Reminds me of the time a guy who sleeps under a bridge was begging for change and told me a story.

    ***

    That works so much better.

  290. @Truth



    Football players are invited as window dressing (post-Super Bowl), photo ops. They do NOT advise the president on policy/legislation matters.
     
    OK, NOW your're starting to get it! Al Sharpton was invited as window dressing photo ops for white liberals/ old washed up black people with whom Barry wants to pretend like he gives a shit about "racial relations; took a while grasshopper, but it's worth it!



    Troofie, good to have you back, “sport”! We need a representative of the Talented Tenth.
     
    Thanks, my friend.

    Now that’s a lie. Sharpton was invited to advise for actual policy matters pertaining to race (e.g. Trayvon, Ferguson especially). Sharpton, unlike NFLers, has considerable influence within the black community. Obama couldn’t (at least before ’12 relection) afford to piss him off and risk losing some votes (blacks staying home) if he were perceived as not acting black enough.

    You know, you really ought to comment on Paul Kersey’s blog. You and he would get along splendidly.

    Obama was a community organizer. Funny how you ignore that fact. Obama very much cares about his race’s interests. “My Brother’s Keeper” legislation is Affirmative Action writ large.

    You apparently are not getting it. Blacks vote their interests. Whites are not allowed to have interests based purely on their race.

    “Please give me one name that all white people look up to and rally around.”

    THEY DON’T EXIST. And haven’t for decades. Example: Look what happened to John Derbyshire when he pointed out about blacks in his famous article “The Talk”. He was fired from National Review. Even pointing out blacks’ dysfunctionalities can get you in trouble.

    You haven’t been paying attention this summer to events in Ferguson.

    “But wait!”

    What, truthie, what are you going to say next?

    “A few posts ago you just wrote “all black people support anything black” or something simple like that.”

    YES, and YET AGAIN, YOU DIDN’T READ VERY CAREFULLY. Blacks vote well over 90% for Democratic candidates whom they perceive to be looking out for their interests (Affirmative Action, quotas, set asides, black hiring in government, private sector, increased welfare benefits, head start, etc). They vote 95% or thereabouts for THOSE BLACK CANDIDATES THAT THEY PERCEIVE ARE LOOKING OUT FOR THEIR INTERESTS. If a black candidate is running as a GOP, then blacks will not support him because, in their eyes, he’s “acting white” by running as part of the “white” party (GOP) AND he’s not considered “Authentically” black. This theme comes up over and over and over and over and over. From black intellectuals as Ta-Nahesi Coates; Lani Guinier; Angela Davis; Cornell West; etc.

    If you’re black BUT you don’t support black’s interests, you’re excommunicated from the community and are considered to be a race traitor, siding with whitey.

    “Does wearing a lapel pin with an elephant on it make you a white guy?”

    Uh, it makes you NOT BLACK in the community’s eyes. And 95% of blacks agree with that. Look at JC Watts: His support was always from heavily white voters. Same from Allen West; and all other GOP blacks. They are considered to be race traitors and therefore excommunicated from the community. Up until recently Collin Powell wasn’t considered to be a full member of the black community and most of his support was from whites. Ward Connerly’s support as an activist as never come from blacks but from whites. Same thing from Condoleeza Rice. All we have to do is observe who the black community as a whole considers to be authentically black (those individuals who vote their race’s interests at the expense of all others) to know who they give their majority support to.

    “And I take it whites vote for politicians who do nothing they can identify with?”

    It is NOT based on race DIRECTLY. Race transcends all ethnics. Whites haven’t consciously thought about their race and their race’s best interests since….1920s? 1910s? Certainly haven’t postWW2.

    Example: If a white politician of any kind were to publicly state “I’m white, and I want to pass policies that will only benefit my race’s interests, what will happen to him? His career is over. Black politicians do this sort of thing all the time. They state straight up they will attempt to get policies for their race.

    When we say “Playing the race card”–that’s not referring to whites. It’s referring to blacks and blacks alone.

    I don’t care. I actually think that’s a welcome honesty in politics whenever politicians straight up tell you that they’re only looking out for their group’s interests. It isn’t the same as the 19th century ward/district politicians who used to look out for their ethnicity. Race goes deeper than a single ethnic. It transcends all ethnicities. It is based entirely on skin color or what the community defines as authentically black.

    “Strange race you are,”

    I know you are, but what am I?

    “I don’t think it’s supposed to work that way, but I could be wrong.”

    Life often doesn’t work out the way we think it does. That’s why it’s called life. The uncertainty of it all. And yeah, you are wrong. You really think that Ferguson isn’t based soley on race.

    Name another race that riots or threatens to riot if they don’t get their way on some national/local issue. You can’t. It’s only blacks that riot, burn down cities, or threaten to if they don’t get their way.

    “Shit I need to go get a few and give them to my homies.”

    You’re white. So, that really doesn’t make very much sense.

    Again, I think you really should comment on Paul Kersey’s blog. You and he would have a lot to discuss.

    • Replies: @Truth
    Yojimbo, with all possible respect, your posts are so mass-mumble, boilerplate that I've spent a lot of unnecessary time responding to them; "Community Organizer", this and "Cornball Brother", that: I can just listen to Rush Limbaugh for an hour in the car, and do less work. You're the type of guy who was talking about "freedom fries" 10 years ago.

    Ironically, I suggest you watch "Rashomon" again, to understand how reality changes depending upon who the commentator is. Please get back to me then.

  291. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Now that's a lie. Sharpton was invited to advise for actual policy matters pertaining to race (e.g. Trayvon, Ferguson especially). Sharpton, unlike NFLers, has considerable influence within the black community. Obama couldn't (at least before '12 relection) afford to piss him off and risk losing some votes (blacks staying home) if he were perceived as not acting black enough.

    You know, you really ought to comment on Paul Kersey's blog. You and he would get along splendidly.

    Obama was a community organizer. Funny how you ignore that fact. Obama very much cares about his race's interests. "My Brother's Keeper" legislation is Affirmative Action writ large.

    You apparently are not getting it. Blacks vote their interests. Whites are not allowed to have interests based purely on their race.



    "Please give me one name that all white people look up to and rally around."

    THEY DON'T EXIST. And haven't for decades. Example: Look what happened to John Derbyshire when he pointed out about blacks in his famous article "The Talk". He was fired from National Review. Even pointing out blacks' dysfunctionalities can get you in trouble.

    You haven't been paying attention this summer to events in Ferguson.




    "But wait!"

    What, truthie, what are you going to say next?





    "A few posts ago you just wrote “all black people support anything black” or something simple like that."

    YES, and YET AGAIN, YOU DIDN'T READ VERY CAREFULLY. Blacks vote well over 90% for Democratic candidates whom they perceive to be looking out for their interests (Affirmative Action, quotas, set asides, black hiring in government, private sector, increased welfare benefits, head start, etc). They vote 95% or thereabouts for THOSE BLACK CANDIDATES THAT THEY PERCEIVE ARE LOOKING OUT FOR THEIR INTERESTS. If a black candidate is running as a GOP, then blacks will not support him because, in their eyes, he's "acting white" by running as part of the "white" party (GOP) AND he's not considered "Authentically" black. This theme comes up over and over and over and over and over. From black intellectuals as Ta-Nahesi Coates; Lani Guinier; Angela Davis; Cornell West; etc.

    If you're black BUT you don't support black's interests, you're excommunicated from the community and are considered to be a race traitor, siding with whitey.





    "Does wearing a lapel pin with an elephant on it make you a white guy?"

    Uh, it makes you NOT BLACK in the community's eyes. And 95% of blacks agree with that. Look at JC Watts: His support was always from heavily white voters. Same from Allen West; and all other GOP blacks. They are considered to be race traitors and therefore excommunicated from the community. Up until recently Collin Powell wasn't considered to be a full member of the black community and most of his support was from whites. Ward Connerly's support as an activist as never come from blacks but from whites. Same thing from Condoleeza Rice. All we have to do is observe who the black community as a whole considers to be authentically black (those individuals who vote their race's interests at the expense of all others) to know who they give their majority support to.






    "And I take it whites vote for politicians who do nothing they can identify with?"

    It is NOT based on race DIRECTLY. Race transcends all ethnics. Whites haven't consciously thought about their race and their race's best interests since....1920s? 1910s? Certainly haven't postWW2.

    Example: If a white politician of any kind were to publicly state "I'm white, and I want to pass policies that will only benefit my race's interests, what will happen to him? His career is over. Black politicians do this sort of thing all the time. They state straight up they will attempt to get policies for their race.

    When we say "Playing the race card"--that's not referring to whites. It's referring to blacks and blacks alone.

    I don't care. I actually think that's a welcome honesty in politics whenever politicians straight up tell you that they're only looking out for their group's interests. It isn't the same as the 19th century ward/district politicians who used to look out for their ethnicity. Race goes deeper than a single ethnic. It transcends all ethnicities. It is based entirely on skin color or what the community defines as authentically black.





    "Strange race you are,"

    I know you are, but what am I?





    "I don’t think it’s supposed to work that way, but I could be wrong."

    Life often doesn't work out the way we think it does. That's why it's called life. The uncertainty of it all. And yeah, you are wrong. You really think that Ferguson isn't based soley on race.

    Name another race that riots or threatens to riot if they don't get their way on some national/local issue. You can't. It's only blacks that riot, burn down cities, or threaten to if they don't get their way.






    "Shit I need to go get a few and give them to my homies."

    You're white. So, that really doesn't make very much sense.

    Again, I think you really should comment on Paul Kersey's blog. You and he would have a lot to discuss.

    Yojimbo, with all possible respect, your posts are so mass-mumble, boilerplate that I’ve spent a lot of unnecessary time responding to them; “Community Organizer”, this and “Cornball Brother”, that: I can just listen to Rush Limbaugh for an hour in the car, and do less work. You’re the type of guy who was talking about “freedom fries” 10 years ago.

    Ironically, I suggest you watch “Rashomon” again, to understand how reality changes depending upon who the commentator is. Please get back to me then.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Pot calling the kettle. I can't follow what you've been saying, except that you and other white person once chatted around the office some yrs back about how blacks really think about various issues. What idiocy. For accuracy, I can check Pew Research and various researched subjects to decide that one on my own.

    No, actually I wasn't. In another life I worked in campaign offices for Perot 92 and Buchanan 96. Haven't listened to Rush since about 1993 when I realized he wasn't going to talk about a host of issues. From free trade harming the middle classes, illegal immigration, and race relations as they exist in US he has been wrong, clearly wrong, on the issues that harm the middle and lower working class whites. His simple minded mantra of "liberals bad, conservatives good" fits you to a T though.

    On policy, a couple of books influenced my thinking. One was Charles Murray's "Losing Ground"; another was Peter Brimelow's "Alien Nation". The fact that Rush declined to discuss the issues that both raised with anything more than silence told me what I needed to know: He's a plutocrat playing the Heartland for suckers. No, this thrice divorced, prescription drug user, name calling Parkinson Disease sufferer Michael J Fox, doesn't speak for me. But get him a platform and he'll tell you why NAFTA is the greatest beesknees around and why we don't need an increase in the minimum wage.

    You know, Keith Olbermann was right about one thing: Rush is a fake. Sometimes it takes an outsized ego to call out another one.

    Also, people shouldn't quickly forget that Steve provided some quality work at National Review, and, along with O'Sullivan and Peter Brimelow provided thinking conservatism a more substantial range on issues before the great purge began in full earnest. And now they've just turned over what credibility they had by becoming McNeo Con. Incorporated.

    Perhaps you and other conservative whites feel more at home listening to dumbed down quality of the debate.

    In Rashomon, the "truth" is relative since each side has their own version of what occurred. If that's your ideal for making a point to twist, turn, and deceive until the truth isn't recognized then it isn't entirely surprising.

  292. @Truth
    Yojimbo, with all possible respect, your posts are so mass-mumble, boilerplate that I've spent a lot of unnecessary time responding to them; "Community Organizer", this and "Cornball Brother", that: I can just listen to Rush Limbaugh for an hour in the car, and do less work. You're the type of guy who was talking about "freedom fries" 10 years ago.

    Ironically, I suggest you watch "Rashomon" again, to understand how reality changes depending upon who the commentator is. Please get back to me then.

    Pot calling the kettle. I can’t follow what you’ve been saying, except that you and other white person once chatted around the office some yrs back about how blacks really think about various issues. What idiocy. For accuracy, I can check Pew Research and various researched subjects to decide that one on my own.

    No, actually I wasn’t. In another life I worked in campaign offices for Perot 92 and Buchanan 96. Haven’t listened to Rush since about 1993 when I realized he wasn’t going to talk about a host of issues. From free trade harming the middle classes, illegal immigration, and race relations as they exist in US he has been wrong, clearly wrong, on the issues that harm the middle and lower working class whites. His simple minded mantra of “liberals bad, conservatives good” fits you to a T though.

    On policy, a couple of books influenced my thinking. One was Charles Murray’s “Losing Ground”; another was Peter Brimelow’s “Alien Nation”. The fact that Rush declined to discuss the issues that both raised with anything more than silence told me what I needed to know: He’s a plutocrat playing the Heartland for suckers. No, this thrice divorced, prescription drug user, name calling Parkinson Disease sufferer Michael J Fox, doesn’t speak for me. But get him a platform and he’ll tell you why NAFTA is the greatest beesknees around and why we don’t need an increase in the minimum wage.

    You know, Keith Olbermann was right about one thing: Rush is a fake. Sometimes it takes an outsized ego to call out another one.

    Also, people shouldn’t quickly forget that Steve provided some quality work at National Review, and, along with O’Sullivan and Peter Brimelow provided thinking conservatism a more substantial range on issues before the great purge began in full earnest. And now they’ve just turned over what credibility they had by becoming McNeo Con. Incorporated.

    Perhaps you and other conservative whites feel more at home listening to dumbed down quality of the debate.

    In Rashomon, the “truth” is relative since each side has their own version of what occurred. If that’s your ideal for making a point to twist, turn, and deceive until the truth isn’t recognized then it isn’t entirely surprising.

  293. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Robbie
    The first two commentators are actually taking Cosby's side and putting the women down.

    Wow, ok. Have you Ever Been to Hollywood? It's a scary place, and you don't piss powerful people off.

    I don't remember you guys saying that about the boy fucking of the X-Men director....was that 'infantilization of young boys'

    Screw you guys. Stop reading Roissy. Sometimes bad men do things to women.

    And sometimes bad women want to make a lot of money and/or certain political parties want to hurt someone who doesn’t agree with them, so then this occurs to make said dissenter look like a scum bag since the ignorant assumption of the public is that a woman just couldn’t possibly lie!

  294. […] money so nobody goes to jail. Or even, as in the cases of the individuals demanding hush money from Bill Cosby and David Letterman, so your alleged victim goes to jail, not […]

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