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From the Washington Post:

The Trailer: In the Sharpton primary, Democrats put civil rights and reparations at center stage

By David Weigel
April 4 at 6:05 PM

NEW YORK — Beto O’Rourke had just finished speaking about racial injustice to the National Action Network when the Rev. Al Sharpton, its president, pushed him to say a little more.

“Your fellow Texan, Sheila Jackson Lee, has proposed a commission to study reparations,” Sharpton said. “If that passes, and you are president of the United States, would you sign that bill?”

O’Rourke, who had spent 15 minutes talking about how white America left black America behind, didn’t hesitate. “Yes,” he said, to applause and a few surprised cheers. “Until all Americans understand that civil rights are not just those victories that I began with at the outset of my comments, but the injustices that continue to be visited on people, we will never get the change that we need to live up to the promise of this country.”

The former Texas congressman, the first of 11 presidential candidates scheduled to speak at the three-day conference, had helped set the tone. Sharpton’s conference has become a can’t-miss station on the Democrats’ presidential gantlet — a place where candidates will face hard questions about racial inequality and the criminal justice system. Any hand-wringing about “identity politics” or talk of pandering to the president’s more loyal voters and alienating the most loyal Democrats is banished.

… By Friday afternoon, nearly every Democrat who has declared a presidential bid will have spoken at the conference. Those who spoke on Wednesday and Thursday walked through poverty and health statistics, promising to close the racial gaps — and then, they endorsed some form of reparations.

“There are many things that we need to do in this country that have been a long time in coming, and one of those is to move forward with reparations,” said Julián Castro, former secretary of Housing and Urban Development who spoke a few hours after O’Rourke. “Our country will never truly heal until we address the original sin of slavery.”

Republicans are genuinely surprised at how the issue of reparations — compensation for the descendants of slaves — has reemerged as a Democratic base issue. Polling has consistently found most black voters warm to the idea and a supermajority of other voters opposed to it. It was nowhere on the political radar until February, when the hosts of the Breakfast Club radio show asked Sen. Kamala Harris of California whether she supported “some type” of reparations and she said she did, arguing that her focus on criminal justice reform and disparities in health care would benefit black Americans.

The legislation introduced by Jackson Lee, which would create a commission to study the viability of reparations, doesn’t commit Democrats to cash payments — the concept that made “reparations” controversial when it was discussed 10 and 15 years ago.

Ta-Nehesi Coates doesn’t care very much whether his fellow blacks ever get checks. What he wants is a giant Presidential commission that will denounce whitey on TV day in and day out for years. Then, he will finally have vengeance upon the white lady on the escalator who told his son “Come on.”

“Democrats are trying to represent their base, but in the process they’re overcompensating and may find themselves in a perilous position,” said Andy Surabian, a Republican strategist and former Trump White House official. “I think the reparations issue is a big turnoff for a lot of people.”

In an interview, former attorney general Eric Holder

Not to be confused with aspiring rapper Eric Holder.

… One possible reason for the issue’s second life is the Democratic Party’s fast movement toward the issues of black civil rights activists, from police reform to felon voter rights restoration to the end of the war on drugs. In 2015, Sharpton used his platform to grill Hillary Clinton on racial justice issues and found her ready to endorse many of the Black Lives Matter movement’s goals, starting with an end to “mass incarceration.”

That worked out well. Homicides went up 22% from 2014-2016.

… Doing any less, Sharpton said, would cede a winning issue to Republicans. … the Trump administration had signed prison and criminal justice reform legislation at the end of 2018 that led to the high-profile release of many prisoners and was a key part of outreach to black voters.

“I think that if they do not have this very clear in their head that the Republicans will do [criminal justice reform] and people like Van Jones will praise them for it, they are in trouble,” Sharpton said of Democrats. …

So the Democrats are responding to Trump moving to the left on race by moving even further to the left on race.

There is not much evidence that the Trump campaign has made inroads with black voters.

I’m shocked, shocked …

Anyway, the Democrats’ Coalition of the Fringes strategy has the danger I identified in the previous decade of turning from the Nonwhite Party to the Black Party:

It’s not all that hard to get blacks to feel that they morally deserve something, such as, for example, predominance in the Democratic Party. African-Americans are good at feeling that others owe them deference.

Do Hispanics and Asians want to belong to the Black Party in which everybody has to kiss the ring of Reverend Al?

It’s going to take a lot of KKKrazy Glue to make that happen.

 
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  1. Chances a reparations bill gets passed into law: 20%?

    If that happens,
    Chances that money gets sent to poor African Americans: 5%

    Chances that the money get funneled to “community organizers,” (i.e lawyers), inner city schools (i.e. teachers unions), a vast bureaucracy that will be created to administer reparations (i.e. public sector unions) and other core Democratic lobby groups: 95%.

  2. Why wouldn’t they kiss his…ring? He might not have invented the hate hoax, but he invented having no shame about hate hoaxes.

    Al still won’t admit Tawana made the whole thing up.

    • Replies: @anon
  3. New mayor of Chicago has directed police to destroy their gang database.

  4. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I mean that could be a big win… for the jews ?

  5. Mr Rooney says:

    If Reparations are paid do they include a compulsory one-way ticket back to the Dark Continent? With complimentary citizenship in a nation of their choice?

  6. Altai says:

    What I find odd about the reparations talk is that nobody seems content to ever spell out:

    A: What form reparations come in. A once off cash payment to all African Americans or something more abstract like Steve’s idea of making legal weed a black monopoly or lower interest from government loans etc. The former is just laughable since it would be an impossible sum of money to give any serious amount of money to all current descendants of slaves.

    B: Whether they really would constitute true ‘reparations’ as in, afterwards White America (Or the US federal government?) would be considered to have paid any dues vis-a-vis slavery. I can’t imagine why since no intervention like this will change much overnight if at all.

    As it stands it’s impossible to debate this topic since nobody knows what eventually you’re debating. A bit like debates about the consequences of Brexit.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Prodigal son
    , @bomag
  7. So the Democrats are responding to Trump moving to the left on race by moving even further to the left on race.

    Well yeah, that’s how they got him to move left in the first place. Nothing boomercons love more than desperately seeking the approval (i.e. “winning over”) people who hate them. It’s their Great White Whale.

    That voracious ego isn’t going to feed itself.

  8. @Shouting Thomas

    That’s good. Let them kill each other.

  9. Spud Boy says:

    Does any descendent of an American slave honestly believe he/she is worse off than if he/she’s slave ancestor had remained in Africa?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  10. To simplify things in the future, every candidate should just promise straight up to give their constituency everybody else’s stuff and to make their constituency immune to everybody else’s laws.

    #DemocracyEndgame

    • Agree: Bruce County
    • Replies: @Tex
  11. moving in the direction i posited earlier.

    not only that democrat candidates will probably be forced into adopting this issue into their platform lest they be outmaneuvered by the african bloc vote, but the timing.

    10 years ago i called for this issue to be raised by democrats in a more serious way starting in the 2020s. about 3 years ago i said i expected it to be part of hillary’s second term. we’re right on schedule.

  12. eah says:

    Do Hispanics and Asians want to belong to the Black Party in which everybody has to kiss the ring of Reverend Al?

    That’s your phrasing/take on it.

    It’s going to take a lot of KKKrazy Glue to make that happen.

    Or a lot of ‘stick it to whitey’ ‘lesser of two evils’ voting.

  13. Here’s a new one: “Equal Protection”. The NPR show The Takeaway had a segment on Baltimore’s problems. The cops after Freddie Gray stopped being proactive in black neighborhoods and crime rose. The Citizens Need Equal Protection in these neighborhoods.

  14. I’m waiting for the ultimate white privilege tax, namely the IQ reparations tax. It’s to seek redress for the injustice visited upon the colored folk whereupon nature deprived them of the 30 to 50 IQ points needed to akshually be superior to whites.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  15. @NJ Transit Commuter

    Chances a reparations bill gets passed into law: 20%?

    Even money.

  16. Well the kids are all hopped up and ready to go
    They’re ready to go now
    they got their surfboards
    And they’re going to the discotheque Au Go Go
    But she just couldn’t stay she had to break away
    Well New York City really has is all oh yeah, oh yeah

    Beto is a punk rocker
    Beto is a punk rocker
    Beto is a punk rocker now

  17. Lot says:

    Germans to Italy: We got a boat with 64 Africans on it. Your economy needs them. Your country owes them.

    Matteo Salvini: Nah.. maybe try Hamburg instead.

    https://news.yahoo.com/salvini-tells-germany-handle-migrant-boat-heading-italy-180429997.html

    “New arrivals to Italy have plummeted since Salvini took office in June, with just 532 migrants coming so far this year, according to official data, down 92 percent on the same period in 2018 and down 98 percent on 2017.”

    Lesson for Trump: REFUSE ALL ENTRY OF “ASYLUM” SEEKERS. Brett’s got your back.

  18. Bubba says:

    So Beto will pay reparations to everyone but whitey and it will eventually be adopted by all the Dem candidate platforms.

    Trump caved and will keep the borders open for at least another year. Now he an official laughingstock and highly resented by his ex-base. Trump won’t even win Florida next year which was fairly close in ’16, but not nearly as close as Pennsylvania, Michigan or Wisconsin. Good luck Trump winning any of those states again!!!

    Beto/Kamala/Bernie will have a good chance to absolutely slaughter Trump next year. He deserves it for selling out his base that got him elected. No different than GWB the 1st when he reneged on his “No New Taxes!” pledge.

  19. Boethiuss says:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/03/supreme-court-race-wisconsin-becomes-good-omen-trump/

    I’ve been very bearish about the GOP chances in 2020 if Trump is still the nominee. But I have been persuaded by Henry Olsen that Trump has at least some legit chance. I still don’t think it’s very much chance but still, slim is better than none.

    The key takeaway for me is that it’s Henry Olsen. A lot of Right commentators have got a wish-fulfillment disease, eg Roger Kimball or Victor Davis Hanson (both of whom I have respect for). That is, they are so emotionally invested the cultural politics of the populist Right that there is a desperate psychological need to call them the winners and the adversaries the losers, whether or not that actually corresponds to reality. For that matter, you see it often enough in the comment section here. But whatever, it’s one problem that Henry Olsen doesn’t have, so I’m inclined to give his point at least some credibility.

  20. If Trump had testicular fortitude, or listened to me, he’d say that there’s 300,000 dead white men populating military cemeteries in places like Gettysburg, and no one owes their black asses a damn thing anymore, and hasn’t since 1865.

  21. Whiskey says: • Website

    It’s a slam dunk for reparations. Mitch McConnell will make sure it passes.

    And yes every Latino and Asian will be happy to kiss Sharptons ring.And

    Reparation s are a winning strategy. The only ones opposed are White men who will pay it. White women are honorary non White.

    The only question is how far does anti White male hate go? Internment camps? Worse?

  22. @Desiderius

    Nothing boomercons love more than desperately seeking the approval (i.e. “winning over”) people who hate them. It’s their Great White Whale.

    We’ve got to be winsome winsome winsome winsome winsome . . . .

    I’ve come to hate that word. There’s nothing wrong with avoiding gratuituous offense, or with speaking clearly and persuasively, but the Polite Right’s decades of sweaty, desperate panderings and softsoaping in order to be liked and approved by their sneering cultural overlords make me ill, whether in politics, the churches, the universities — you name it.

    This desire to change hearts via ‘winsomeness’ is one of the cultural right’s own manifestations of substitute savior syndrome. Like the neocons who thought (still think?) that democracy can be spread and installed by the sword, the Winsomers take upon themselves a role that they can never fulfill.

    Speak the truth, so that it falls into human hearts, and let God sort out its sprouting and growth. There may even be some story somewhere along these lines that the Winsomers might take heed of.

    • Agree: Thea
  23. Dr. X says:

    Beto Pledges to Sharpton to Pass Reparations Bill

    Why not?

    He won’t be using his money to buy Negro votes with. He’ll be using your money.

    • Replies: @Olorin
  24. Tiny Duck says:
    @Shouting Thomas

    GOOD. It was racist
    Short answer is that America stole labor from black people without paying for it, and the nation owes a debt which has been largely unpaid. That’s why black Americans are worse off than white Americans on average.

    Except that Black Men ate athletic and handsome so white girls crave them
    Historically speaking, American chattel slavery was vastly different from other forms of slavery that have existed. Moreover, the effects of slavery are clearly still present today. The best time for reparations was 1865, the second best time is 2019.
    Redlining, Jim Crow, police brutality, lynch mobs, segregation, restricted educational and career opportunities, discriminatory banking practices, racism in house values, the psychological toll of everyday sorts of racism in insults, slurs, etc., to name a few.

  25. CCZ says:
    @Boethiuss

    But across the southern (Wisconsin) border, Ms. female black homosexual Mayor of Chicago.

    Key policies: 1) Pass ordinance ensuring affordable housing will be built in all wards; 2) Create a new Mayor’s Office of Public Safety to drive down crime and reform policing; 3) Approve a graduated real estate transfer tax to create more funding to eliminate homelessness; 4) Tax large law and accounting firms to help shore up City Hall finances; 5) Increase the city’s hotel tax by a percentage point or two to fund the arts; 6) Phase out the city’s red light cameras.

    Key positions: 1) Eliminate the Police Department’s gang database; 2) Create civilian oversight of the Police Department; 3) Abolish U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement; 4) Eliminate elected city treasurer and city clerk’s offices; 5) Merge the administration of the city’s four pension funds.

    Chicago Tribune

  26. Boethiuss says:

    Do Hispanics and Asians want to belong to the Black Party in which everybody has to kiss the ring of Reverend Al?

    Whatever problem there is, over the past few decades the Democratic Party has shown core competency in quashing beefs like this if it hurts lib politics and/or lib candidates.

  27. @Desiderius

    Let me add — more on point — that one reason for Trump’s success has been his ability to avoid the ‘winsomeness’ trap. But if he steps into it by repeatedly pandering to his despisers instead of facing up to them, his fall will be swift and ugly.

  28. Your next TakiMag article should be triumphally titled, “The Black Party”, Steve!

    I look forward to reading it.

  29. Hhsiii says:

    Not really OT:

    “Will this white person’s potatoe salad kill me?” And struggling to breathe in black skin etc:

    https://www.harpercollins.ca/9780062684301/what-doesnt-kill-you-makes-you-blacker/

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
  30. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    The major component of the Democratic Party besides blacks isn’t Hispanics and Asians. It’s Jews and white gentile liberals. Jews provide the funding for the Democratic Party and perhaps most importantly the intellectual firepower and persuasive ability to come up with the ideologies, policies, rationalizations, and messaging for the party and liberalism more generally. The white gentile liberals tend to be dimmer and follow the intellectual fashions set forth by Jewish intellectuals and media elites. Jews are the linch-pin to this whole operation. Without them, the goyisch kopf white gentile liberals won’t tag along, and the blacks won’t have talking points crafted for them prevent them from being seen as completely craven and incoherent.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  31. Polling has consistently found most black voters warm to the idea [of receiving it] and a supermajority of other voters opposed to [paying for] it.

    Give him the “Duh of the Day” Award.

    the issues of black civil rights activists, from police reform to felon voter rights restoration…

    But felon concealed carry rights? The crickets are deafening.

  32. @The Last Real Calvinist

    But if he steps into it by repeatedly pandering to his despisers instead of facing up to them, his fall will be swift and ugly.

    “We’ll back you if you back us.”

  33. In an interview, former attorney general Eric Holder

    Not to be confused with aspiring rapper Eric Holder.

    LA is the only place in America where Mich[a]el Moore could arrest Eric Holder.

  34. Add to my list of reparations…all blacks get dem BS decoder rings.

  35. J.Ross says: • Website

    Henry Louis Gates is lending pseudo-intellectual heft to the demonization of Trump support as uncomplicated white supremacy, relying on ideas Noel Ignatiev and Howard Zinn spelled out decades ago. His new book is a review of historical and cultural material from the period following the Civil War and Reconstruction, when the South threw off its short-lived black voting majorities and legislators, and institutionalized the formal racism familiar in drinking fountain photos.
    https://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/2019/04/03/709098653/fresh-air-for-april-3-2019-henry-louis-gates-jr-and-rob-delaney

    HENRY LOUIS GATES: Reconstruction was a period of 12 years of maximum black freedom followed by an “alt-right*” rollback. What’s that sound like? What’s that remind you of right now?

    So maximum black freedom = unemployment and rioting?
    *In the broadcast Gates clearly and expressly united the Klan and the “alt-right.” He definitely says the t. In the transcript he is recorded saying “all-right,” which looks like a computer error or an attempt to throw people off.

  36. @The Last Real Calvinist

    You are on a roll. Another center shot and I can hear the arrow’s vibration.

  37. I think it would be cool if Reverend Al had asked Beto if he believes Jussie Smollett. We have to know how far this guy is willing to debase himself and I don’t think we’re there yet.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  38. @The Last Real Calvinist

    if he steps into it by repeatedly pandering to his despisers instead of facing up to them, his fall will be swift and ugly

    Which is why he needs to jettison Kushner. He thinks a Son-in-Law won’t betray him. But he does not get that political philosophy rules, and Trump’s family status is a secondary consideration.

    Too bad Mrs. Kushner is not Mrs. Miller.

    But Trump was destined to disappoint us. If you did not expect it, you should have.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  39. Sharpton is a low IQ race hustler. Beto will do anything to get the black vote. He is afraid of being called a racist for not going along with the reparations BS!

    • Replies: @anon
  40. Tony says:

    When a total scumbag like sharpton has that much power in America, it shows us what state our country is in.

    • Agree: donut
    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  41. ChrisZ says:
    @Hhsiii

    “What Doesn’t Kill You Makes You Blacker”?!

    Gotta admit that’s a great title. The book practically writes itself.

    In fact, who needs the book? Just publish blank pages for your White SJW book-buyers to fill up on their own. Make sure the volume has a thick spine so it’ll be an ostentatious virtue signal on Whitey Hipster’s bookshelf.

    (It goes without saying that there would be no black “readership”—even for a book of blank pages. But a copyrighted logo would look good, and mint coin, on T-shirts, backwards baseball caps, underwear waistbands, assorted bling, and neck tats.)

    I really wish I’d thought of it. That guy’s gonna make a fortune. (The title would be more menacing, though, had he replaced one or both of the “You’s” with “Me.”)

  42. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Win some you lose some, except for these people-pleasers. They never learned how to deal with failure, so they keep chasing that which can’t be caught. And their adversaries long ago learned how to game that.

  43. Correction:

    They’re not Civil Rights Re-enactors, they’re Reconstruction Re-enactors.

  44. vinteuil says:

    I live in a world where seemingly intelligent people treat Al Sharpton as a moral authority.

    This is a dream – a nightmare, right?

    Sooner or later, I’ll wake up.

    Right?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  45. @vinteuil

    Good chance to reevaluate the value you place upon intelligence relative to other qualities like character and wisdom.

    • Agree: AndrewR
  46. Lurker says:
    @Shouting Thomas

    She said she wanted that to happen – in her campaign. Is it actually confirmed policy now?

    • Replies: @Pericles
  47. Clyde says:

    In similar news the city of Chicago announced it will sue Jussie Smollette for $130000 for cost of investigations.

  48. PSR says:

    As we all know the problem with the idea of reperations for century-and-a-half-ago slavery is that no amount will be adequate. Identify the ideal recipients – altho virtually impossible – and in twenty years they will be claiming their continued lack of success *proves* they weren’t given enough, no matter the amount, and the Democrat donkeys will still be braying their support. Rinse and repeat ad infinatum.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  49. @Boethiuss

    I’ve been very bearish about the GOP chances in 2020 if Trump is still the nominee. But I have been persuaded by Henry Olsen that Trump has at least some legit chance. I still don’t think it’s very much chance but still, slim is better than none.

    You’re insane and clearly either a plant or a moron. The idea that a sitting president with a very good economy and approval ratings like Trump has, who was just completely exonerated of a large fake scandal his opponents dreamed up—-the very idea that such a man has “slim or none” chance is idiotic.

    Did you forget what Trump did in 2016 to 17 way-more-campaign-experienced pols?

    And citing WaPo opinion as persuasive…..just lol.

    Seriously, which turnip truck did you fall off of?

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  50. @Boethiuss

    Don’t worry. One thing I learned when I was a liberal is that the Democratic party rarely misses a chance to kick the ball into its own goal. Sharpton is doing great things for Trump’s reelection.

  51. @NJ Transit Commuter

    SeeI’m all for reparations if the recipients renounce their citizenship. Everything blacks say about the oppressive role of whites in their lives will go straight out the window if you just take them at their word and offer to help them settle in Liberia, the one sub Saharan African country never colonized by Europe. And it’ll help whites wake up to the fact that it’s all just empty manipulative rhetoric aimed at furthering their exploitation by blacks and has nothing to do with facts or morality.

    • Agree: Mis(ter)Anthrope
  52. newrouter says:

    Can we Americans compare the “Reparations Bill” owned to non slave black America to the ” Restitution Bill” owned by non slave black America?

  53. So the Democrats are responding to Trump moving to the left on race by moving even further to the left on race

    So far black lives matter hasn’t even reconstituted after the totally organic bottom up mass social movement mysteriously fell of the face of the Earth in what couldn’t have possibly been a centrally coordinated action after the movement cost Clinton the 2016 election. So Trump has forced Democrats the right on race and kept them there in at least some ways.

  54. @Boethiuss

    they are so emotionally invested the cultural politics of the populist Right that there is a desperate psychological need to call them the winners

    Sometimes there is a certain logic to over-projecting chances of success, on the theory that you can help turn it into a self-fulfilling prophesy. Some partisans have to play that role.

    Others are more objective. But that’s one of the problems with pundits, you have to guess who’s saying what they believe, and who’s just posturing.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  55. asdf says:

    What is your pronoun of choice – cracker or white-devil? *That* is woke.

  56. istevefan says:
    @Desiderius

    The whole country has been pulled to the left my entire life. The GOP is just slowing it down from 100 mph to 50 mph. Just keep reminding yourself how fast gay marriage went from being mentally incomprehensible to the majority of Americans to becoming the law of the land. We are talking about a period of approximately 25 years give or take, and 2000 years of Christian marriage tradition went up in smoke.

  57. @The Last Real Calvinist

    WeI thought we were supposed to be getting a winsome deal maker that put his voters actual interests first, not someone who outsources policy to the Koch brothers so he can spend all day as an obnoxiously ignorant compulsively combatative troll? Winsome sounds way better than what we have.

  58. @NJ Transit Commuter

    Chance that Al Sharpton will get even richer off of reparations , 100%.

  59. @NJ Transit Commuter

    This is the situation in Canada with respect to the aboriginals (or indigenous peoples). The aboriginal communities get billions per year of federal government money, pay no taxes, don’t have to follow hunting regulations, etc.

    Despite this, they are dirt poor. Why? Because the chiefs take all the money for themselves, while their members live in poverty.

    Non-whites simply do not have a concept of middle class. You will see the exact same results when it comes to blacks.

    • Replies: @Anon
  60. newrouter says:

    If the low IQ/math black Americans want to talk about their value added to society, we should engage them.

  61. istevefan says:

    “Until all Americans understand that civil rights are not just those victories that I began with at the outset of my comments, but the injustices that continue to be visited on people, we will never get the change that we need to live up to the promise of this country.”

    It might be a good sound byte to a receptive audience, but this statement is really not appropriate for the USA. Has any other nation done more to try to right its wrongs? The USA has gone out of its way to assist blacks. And I don’t know what country Beto is living in, but the USA actually elected an affirmative action candidate to the highest office in the land as some sort of gesture for past wrongdoings. However, not only was this gesture rebuked, but it seems to have engendered ever more and never-ending concessions.

    I’d think about doing more for blacks when I see other nations like Brazil, Mexico and a list of Arab nations too long to mention do the same. Not only should they make amends for their mistreatment of blacks, but for their mistreatment of Whites and others too.

    I’m still awaiting that slave memorial in Algiers and Ankara. Until then, bug off.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @bomag
  62. Anon[146] • Disclaimer says:

    I say we teach them all our white tricks, if they promise to permanently table the idea of reparations.

  63. @Lot

    No one in the corporatist wing of the GOP has Trump’s back on immigration. Trump doesn’t even have Trump’s back on immigration.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Lot
  64. istevefan says:

    The legislation introduced by Jackson Lee, which would create a commission to study the viability of reparations, doesn’t commit Democrats to cash payments — the concept that made “reparations” controversial when it was discussed 10 and 15 years ago.

    If reparations are going to be given, they aren’t going to be given freely. To get something, you must give up something. How about reparations being coupled with the segregation of Whites? You get your check, and we get our lives back. Or better yet, how about reparations for anyone willing to take those monies and leave the USA? You get paid, and we get our nation back.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  65. MBlanc46 says:
    @Boethiuss

    Trump won a lot of Rust Belt states by small margins because for the first time in decades a presidential pol said he was going to pay attention to their needs and interests. Then he gets elected and flips them the middle finger salute. Sure, he occasionally still tweets the right words, but he never follows them with the right actions. Kamala Harris or whoever will get all the votes that the Empress-in-Waiting got, and perhaps a few more. The people who put Trump over the top in 2016 are just going to stay home.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Boethiuss
    , @Abe
    , @Anon7
  66. Art Deco says:

    “Until all Americans understand that civil rights are not just those victories that I began with at the outset of my comments, but the injustices that continue to be visited on people, we will never get the change that we need to live up to the promise of this country.”

    I can never tell if these people are sociopathic, pig-ignorant, or box-o’-rocks dumb. By no historical or comparative standard can you say the American black population is deprived. It’s a wage-earning population (with some salaried employees) with per capita income levels about 2/3 of those of the general population, similar in real terms to the national average of 1990 or to New Zealand today. It’s the most affluent and extensively educated negroid population in the world, with the qualified exception of the (much smaller) West Indian populations in Canada and Britain. The income gaps between white and black in this country are of a magnitude similar to those of other culturally-fissured societies, societies which don’t have a history of hereditary subjection of one subpopulation to another. (Examples would be Malay v. Chinese in Malaysia and Arab v. Jew in Israel). Blacks in this country usually have depressed employment levels (about 10% off the other racial categories), but that’s not true right now. Higher education is so obsessed with recruiting blacks that they’ve inflated the black share of matriculants to 14% of the total (test performance suggests perhaps 7% is the natural level), something you can do only by accepting any black applicant with a GED and a pulse beat. Blacks have more family problems than other people do, are more exposed to violent crime, and more exposed to disorderly and incompetent schools. Nothing O’Rourke refers to addresses any of that. The only federal policy you need to adopt to address the actual problems the black population has is to get the federal tuchus out of the way of local governments who wish to repair extant real problems.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Desiderius
  67. MBlanc46 says:
    @istevefan

    When I was a young man, homosexuality was considered a mental illness by the medical profession.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  68. Slavery ended over 150 years ago. No living American has experienced slavery, except possibly refugees from fundamentalist Islamic hellholes like Sudan or Mauretania. Time to get over it.

  69. J.Ross says: • Website
    @MBlanc46

    If Trump loses it will be a double refutation to Boethiuss, since it has always been his claim that precisely this sort of betrayal was what Trump ought to do.

  70. Nasa says:

    Well bringing the country back on the right track morally will require the second coming of Philip II, Augustus Caesar, or Lee Kuan Yew, but how many on the right are even willing to consider that, plus the emphasis of Western tought and philosophy on individualism inevitably leads to moral decadence and decay.

    • Replies: @Ed
    , @Diversity Heretic
  71. Reparations is the biggest loser issue available, except maybe open borders and no ICE.
    This notion has popped up for decades. 25 years ago I read a long article explaining why reparations will never happen and will never work. Any one of them could stop it. I’ll list a few:
    1. Who gets to decide whose great great grandma was a slave? Everyone will want to have a cash cow gr gr gr. And they would fight for it.
    2. Shall we hire thousands of genealogists to form commissions to make decisions on relatedness issues? We’re already short of courtroom space, and of course there would be multiple appeals.
    3. Only about 20% of whites owned slaves. Why should they pay? Should all blacks get it even if their family moved here after slavery?
    4. How much? Current demands range from 50k to 500k per head. Surprise.
    5. What about blacks who owned black slaves in America? What about Africans who sold other Africans? Shall we have international reparations administered by the UN? Sure we will.
    6. If all whites pay all blacks to simplify things, can a black who just arrived 6 mos. ago get paid? Should the white guy who moved here from Ireland 5 yrs. ago have to pay?
    7. What about biracial? This one could get more complex than restroom assignment for transgenders. Will some people have to pay their sibling, cousin, or even themselves?

  72. Boethiuss says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Others are more objective. But that’s one of the problems with pundits, you have to guess who’s saying what they believe, and who’s just posturing.

    That’s true enough, but it’s not exactly what I was talking about in the other comment.

    I happened to be thinking of recent pieces from Roger Kimball and Victor Davis Hanson, just because I had recently read them and they were fresh in my mind.

    https://spectator.us/donald-trump-win-2020/

    In Kimball’s case, he’s got a grab bag of straw men, “…..The New York Times, The Washington Post, Chris Matthews, James Comey, John Brennan, Cher, CNN, those pathetic females on The View, college professors across the country, George Conway, Maxine Waters, Mad Max Boot, Twitter-addled Bill Kristol and writers for his novelty web site The Bulsomething….”

    Unfortunately the problem is that he was warped reality to the point where if they lose, we win. But that’s not true. The American people are going to vote for whoever they think is going to act best in their interest, not the person who humiliates my personal shit list. It’s not really posturing per se, as much as indulging the idea that my personal resentments or aesthetic judgments constitute reality. They don’t.

    I couldn’t find the right VDH piece, but basically the point was Trump has completely won The Battle of the Mueller Report. I don’t think he’s deluded like Kimball was, but I do think he was straight-up wrong on the merits. It’s certainly better than impeachment, that’s obvious. That doesn’t mean it’s a good thing, especially for us (as opposed to Trump). Operationally speaking, Trump lost most or a significant part of his Presidential authority for two years behind the Mueller investigation.

    In any event, I’m more sympathetic to Henry Olsen’s argument because it’s not an exercise in wish-fulfillment and it does at least attempt to address the most important reasons to think that Trump won’t be reelected.

  73. Paul says:

    Would Al Sharpton and Tawana Brawley be on the gravy train?

  74. Anon[408] • Disclaimer says:

    Loser issue. Blacks are 13% of the vote. The people who will pay are 87% of the vote. The Democratic nominee can’t win with only 13% of the vote.

    Hispanic voters, who tend not to be part of the wealthy class in the US, don’t want to pay reparations to blacks, especially Hispanics who have been here only 1-2 generations, feel no guilt or responsibility for slavery, and who live alongside blacks in big cities. This is a wedge issue we can use to suppress the Hispanic vote. They may not vote for Trump, but a reparations plank in the Democratic platform means the Hispanic vote won’t turn out for the Democratic nominee. Working-class Hispanics don’t make enough money to want to see it robbed from them to just so they can coddle violent and obnoxious ghetto blacks.

  75. @Art Deco

    I can never tell if these people are sociopathic, pig-ignorant, or box-o’-rocks dumb.

    Why settle for “or” when “and” is over there waving her hand and looking lonely?

    Civil Rights/Holocaust narratives are the only ones to have survived the tsunami of non-judgmentalism that cut off millions from traditonal morality and the institutions/narratives that gave them life.

    When people sense that loss they reach out for whatever morality is still there and that’s Civil Rights if you’re leftish and anti-semitism if you’re rightish.

  76. Boethiuss says:
    @MBlanc46

    Sure, he occasionally still tweets the right words, but he never follows them with the right actions. Kamala Harris or whoever will get all the votes that the Empress-in-Waiting got, and perhaps a few more. The people who put Trump over the top in 2016 are just going to stay home.

    Charles Pewitt and Ann Coulter want us to believe this, but I ain’t havin’ it. Ie, Trump is losing because he isn’t executing the Sailer Strategy well enough. What I am saying is that in the era of the Trump Administration, Orange Man Bad beats the Sailer Strategy.

    We’re not getting beat because of some heroic mobilization by minorities. We’re also not getting beat because because blue-collar white people are turned off by a lack of concrete action. No, we’re losing because respectable Core America white people are turned off by Trump’s person and his vulgarity and ignorance, which is why the GOP is losing elections in Arizona, Oklahoma City, Orange County, etc. Until we address that, there’s nothing to do with walls or immigration that’s going to help.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @anon
    , @IHTG
    , @Ed
  77. @MBlanc46

    That’s is as much of an oversimplification as today’s belief that it is somewhere above sainthood.

  78. @Boethiuss

    Boethiuss,

    Can I recommend the consolation of philosophy?

    Politics is not your strong suit.

    • Replies: @JimS
  79. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    I’d think about doing more for blacks when I see other nations like Brazil, Mexico and a list of Arab nations too long to mention do the same.

    What do you owe Blacks?

    Rather, what do they owe you for their crime and violence against White people?

  80. “Until all Americans understand that civil rights are not just those victories that I began with at the outset of my comments, but the injustices that continue to be visited on people, we will never get the change that we need to live up to the promise of this country.”

    Speaks to the need for Harvard to launch a program in Reparations Studies. I’m holding my breath.

  81. Paul says:

    “The legislation introduced by Jackson Lee, which would create a commission to study the viability of reparations . . . ”

    How cowardly! Advocates of reparations should say now who they think should get what.

  82. Abe says:
    @MBlanc46

    Kamala Harris or whoever will get all the votes that the Empress-in-Waiting got, and perhaps a few more. The people who put Trump over the top in 2016 are just going to stay home.

    The only thing I can see almost guaranteeing a Trump re-election landslide is reparations. Reparations in the primaries, reparations in the general, reparations all day long. The most “Awokened” whites have absolutely no shame, in private, of bribing their worthless sprogs into a backdoor Ivy League admissions letter all the while congratulating themselves, in public, on their enlightenedness to the evils of white privilege. In short they are the scummiest sort of opportunists who will turn on a dime once “wokeness” goes from being a matter of pure social media virtue signaling into a very tangible pocketbook issue hitting them square in the 1099 forms.

    Only Trump has the mettle and the wit to play this issue fo all it’s worth. So looking forward to him calling the gnome-sized Harris the “repo-lady” during the debates, or pointing out her victory represents the official installation of an occupation government with heritage Americans becoming the defeated Nazi volk.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  83. e says:
    @Desiderius

    I was hoping that the gay marriage issue would in the end spur some meaningful discussion about the value of marriage in this country, its social value to everyone, esp. children, and its economic value to the participants, to children, and to society in general.

    But nah, gay marriage was just one more check off for the left in their everlasting checklist of identities and those identities’ entitlements and “rights.”

    • Replies: @bomag
  84. Anon7 says:
    @MBlanc46

    Also, the 2016 Dems were all kind of depressed that Obama was gone, because he was perfect for all of the people who had grown up with some of the Civil Rights movement or its aftermath. The idea that Trump could win was simply not conceivable.

    In 2020, though, they’ll pull out all the stops. The MSM will trumpet the endless multiple horrors of Trump at every turn. Facebook and Google will find ways to suppress any other message as fake or hateful. The Donald Trump who gives Mexico a one year warning to behave? The Democratic Party will mop the floor with that loser, believe it. And the Republican Party will breathe a collective sigh of relief, and go back to collecting billions in contributions to maintain the status quo, especially immigration.

  85. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot

    Lesson for Trump: REFUSE ALL ENTRY OF “ASYLUM” SEEKERS. Brett’s got your back.

    You still think that Trump really cares about the issue of immigration (I mean other than increasing it)? How puppy-dog like that is.

    • Troll: IHTG
  86. Mr. Anon says:
    @Desiderius

    Gay marriage isn’t left wing.

    Do you think it’s right wing?

    It’s left wing – characteristic of the cultural left. Even among the economic left (what’s left of them) – the real old fashioned commies – would any of them now oppose homosexual “marriage”?

  87. Mr. Anon says:
    @Boethiuss

    No, we’re losing because respectable Core America white people are turned off by Trump’s person and his vulgarity and ignorance, which is why the GOP is losing elections in Arizona, Oklahoma City, Orange County, etc. Until we address that, there’s nothing to do with walls or immigration that’s going to help.

    Sure. They are turned off by Trump’s vulgar behavior so much that they refused to vote for him in 2016. That’s why Hillary Clinton is President today.

    • Agree: Federalist
    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  88. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Desiderius

    Gay marriage isn’t left wing.

    There’s not a single aspect of the “cultural marxist” agenda that is left-wing.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @IC8
  89. Mr. Anon says:

    O’Rourke, who had spent 15 minutes talking about how white America left black America behind, didn’t hesitate. “Yes,” he said, to applause and a few surprised cheers. “Until all Americans understand that civil rights are not just those victories that I began with at the outset of my comments, but the injustices that continue to be visited on people, we will never get the change that we need to live up to the promise of this country.”

    Sometimes America is an idea. Sometimes it is a promise. What it is becoming is merely a notion. What it certainly isn’t is a nation.

  90. Anon7 says:

    It has been suggested that blacks can have weed franchises, but that’s too much like work, so that’s out. I guess they could just be issued checks. But aren’t they already issued checks? So that’s no good.

    So, as my original contribution to the discussion, I’m suggesting that blacks be issued Guaranteed Winner ™ lottery tickets. That way, they’ll feel like they did something.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Art Deco
  91. bucky says:

    But for this formulation to work, you have to realize that Karl Rove was right. Also, Bush got 44 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2004. McCain got 31 percent. Romney 24. Trump got 29 percent.

    Heck, even Muslim-American communities should be naturally GOP but aren’t.

    The GOP keeps on shooting itself in the foot by playing DR3 and demonizing the other non-whites who should be their natural allies.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  92. @Desiderius

    Gay marriage isn’t left wing.

    It’s certainly radical. And it isn’t marriage.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Macumazahn
    , @dfordoom
  93. Anon[402] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Apparently not the Onion.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/the-epidemic-of-debt-plaguing-central-american-migrants

    The Epidemic of Debt Plaguing Central American Migrants

    Borrowers are using their homes and other property as collateral for a chance to make it to the Unites States.

    Central American banks are preying on would-be migrants.

    There is also an epidemic of debt spreading among families who’ve taken out loans to pay for their trips. Some, like López, never make it to the U.S., but others who do are often deported later, before they have enough time to pay down their loans, which usually takes between six months and a year of steady work in the U.S. For those who are apprehended, there’s an additional problem: prolonged detention means months of inactivity in which the interest on a person’s loan continues to run. Evictions have grown increasingly common in some areas where debts have become unpayable. “I have three relatives who have been kicked out,” a father and former migrant told two American researchers in an article published last year in the journal Antipode. “Now they’re living with other people. . . . That’s why many people after their second deportation keep on trying.”

    They go on to blame Trump. Instead of stopping people at the border, we should be … what? Paying off the loans of foreign citizens?

    This is why I think that hardcore restrictions on non-citizens having bank accounts and being able to make foreign remittances is key. There are all kinds of alternative banking (but they still have to be registered) and all kinds of tricks, but this money enforcement stuff is something that the U.S. Treasury Department is really good at, and post-9/11 they have gotten even better, especially on the alternative banking system enforcement against hawala-style arrangements and other more-or-less money laundering schemes.

    If immigrants cannot easily get money out of the country, that’s the straw the breaks the camel’s back.

    Combined with enforcement of eVerify, and confiscatory enforcement of financial laws against U.S. citizens who use illegal labor, the immigrants would be cut off at the source.

    The court system is the only thing really in the way, and Trump is working on that.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  94. @NJ Transit Commuter

    Yeah. It seems like reparations would have to go to community organizers, bureaucracies, and all manner of grifters and hustlers. If it goes directly to individuals, who gets a check? Just blacks or every member of the Coalition of the Fringes? Do Muslims and Hispanics get paid? What about gays and trannies? The blacks won’t be happy if everyone else gets a cut of the loot but the Dems won’t want to be the Black (only) party.

    On the other hand, once the idea really gets going, will people be satisfied with just more of the same government spending? We already pour bazillions of dollars into ghetto schools and ebt cards, etc. That won’t cut it when “I got to get PAID!”

  95. You can give black people money. But you can’t give them the ability to use it wisely, like a low time preference, self-discipline and an understanding of personal finance.

  96. You know this is never, ever going to stop, right? After reparations it will be dispossession, as White people will be forced by law to turn over their homes and belongings to Blacks. There will never be an end to this as long as there is something to be gained. When have people ever been known to turn down free stuff?

    Of course, reparations is not the real meaning of this discourse. That is only the fashionable catchword of the day. Underneath it is the lust for power, plain and simple. It is the enticing prospect of plundering and despoiling a hated adversary; and though it may dress itself up in “reasons” (historical, sociological, or otherwise), ultimately it does not need them. It is itself its own end.

    The only way to stop this is to drive the point home that it just isn’t going to work anymore, that White people are done paying up and playing the patsy. Eliminating Affirmative Action and other racial quota protocols would raise the flag. Next, turning off the welfare spigot is absolutely necessary. If these expedients aren’t taken, it will eventually come down to violence.

    The prospect of the world’s preeminent nation destroying itself so as to accommodate a minor contingent of ne’re-do-wells, with the politicians of the period gleefully cheering it on, is almost too ridiculous to be believed. One way or another this insanity has got to come to an end. This is enough already.

  97. Anon[408] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: COURT DOCS CONFIRM: Kirsten Gillibrand’s Father Worked For The NXIVM Sex Cult.

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/court-docs-confirm-kirsten-gillibrands-father-worked-for-the-nxivm-sex-cult/

    I think there’s a requirement these days that every Democratic candidate for president must be a nut.

  98. JimS says:
    @Desiderius

    Indeed. Perhaps the personification of Politics will visit him in his cell?

    I loved The Praise of Folly, by the way.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  99. bomag says:
    @istevefan

    That quote stood out for me.

    …the injustices that continue to be visited on people

    That’s a form of infinity.

    we will never get the change that we need to live up to the promise of this country

    Sounds like an Obama line, where that all has gone before was a failure and needs to be recast; even though what went before is what brought up and succored Obama et al.

  100. anon[744] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Al still won’t admit Tawana made the whole thing up.

    has he washed his hands yet?

  101. Let’s have this national discussion on repamarations. I welcome it.
    Make everything explicit:
    1) Some of the ancestors of some of today’s black Americans were exploited by some of the ancestors of some of today’s white Americans. This is an objective, undeniable fact – one that even a tiny duck can grasp.
    2) It’s only fair that every black American ought to get some compensation, and that this compensation should be paid by white Americans. This is a ridiculous insult to logic, but the discussion will be revealing.
    3) Now that we’ve agreed on the “why” and the “who/whom”, the only remaining question is, “how much?” Now comes the good part: exactly how much compensation will it take to repair the damage – to stamp the bill “PAID” and put an end to all forms of “affirmative action” by eliminating all mention of race in every law on the books?
    A national conversation structured in this way would wake a lot of whites and bring them to our side.
    I myself would be glad to pay a couple percent of my income into the fund for a couple of years, if the result were the total elimination of every form of racial discrimination codified in the law. It’d be a bargain.
    Of course, this will never happen. Our worthless criminal underclass doesn’t seek justice, they seek revenge and eternal browngeld. Their constituents are just as bad.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Dtbb
  102. anon[744] • Disclaimer says:
    @Boethiuss

    No, we’re losing because respectable Core America white people are turned off by Trump’s person and his vulgarity and ignorance, which is why the GOP is losing elections in Arizona, Oklahoma City, Orange County, etc. Until we address that, there’s nothing to do with walls or immigration that’s going to help.

    the only thing i care about is the wall and deporting all illegal aliens and visa overstayers

    the rest of that “vulgarity and ignorance” is your imagination

  103. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Abe

    Only Trump has the mettle and the wit to play this issue fo all it’s worth.

    What is Trump’s position on reparations?

  104. @Reg Cæsar

    gay marriage : marriage :: Kaitlin Jenner : woman

    • LOL: bomag
  105. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @treetrunk88

    3. Only about 20% of whites owned slaves. Why should they pay?

    Indeed, why should the descendants of owners of chattel pay, when they are the ones owed a debt by society and the federal government for the government having murdered their ancestors and taken their property by force without just compensation?

    They are also owed a debt by the descendants of slaves. “I’m glad my grandfather got on that boat”–Mohammed Ali.

    • Agree: Dtbb
  106. @bucky

    Also, Bush got 44 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2004.

    No he didn’t. This has been covered here and at Vdare.com often.

    The GOP keeps on shooting itself in the foot by playing DR3 and demonizing the other non-whites who should be their natural allies.

    Who is “demonizing the other non-whites”? Looks more like brownnosing to me.

    Whatever attraction the Hmong (for geopolitical reasons) or the Somali (for moral reasons) initially had to the GOP was dissipated by their own high level of poverty, and by the natural home for tribalism in the other party.

    playing DR3

    This complaint always gets me. Not “DR3” itself, but that there’s something objectionable about it. The simple answer is, Democrats are the real racists– because they have more experience.

    The proper question to ask is why are Democrats the real racists? And why do the races affected seem to agree with them? What aren’t they telling us?

    Make them answer.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  107. BB753 says:

    It’s almost as if Dems don’t want to win in 2020. Bad times ahead?

  108. It just now dawned on me that if blacks win repamarations, women will be next in line.

  109. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Macumazahn

    1) Some of the ancestors of some of today’s black Americans were exploited by some of the ancestors of some of today’s white Americans.

    Screw that. I want reparations for the onslaught of crime and violence Blacks have waged against the White community.

    • Agree: sayless
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  110. Al Sharpton = Alpha snort.

    Rev Al Sharpton = Vapor enthralls.

  111. Anon[211] • Disclaimer says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Ironically, this is the view traditionally held by English Canadians about the Quebeckers. They viewed the mass of Quebeckers as poor and ignorant and in thrall to corrupt pols like Duplessis and the Catholic Church, who controlled all the money and power and milked the industrious English Canadians and the federal government. This view continued to be held after the Quiet Revolution when Quebec secularized and the Catholic Church lost its former sway. The Church was merely replaced by the corrupt Quebec government according to them.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  112. @Anon

    …we should be … what? Paying off the loans of foreign citizens?

    Paying off the loans of Puerto Rico would be well worth the price in exchange for their overdue independence.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  113. Pericles says:
    @Desiderius

    Remember that time when Obama was elected and racial healing began?

  114. Pericles says:
    @Lurker

    She said she wanted that to happen – in her campaign. Is it actually confirmed policy now?

    Not if a certain judge in Hawaii has anything to say about it. Emergency stay, boom! Mahalo, ________!

  115. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Deserve has nothing to do with it. Reparate and separate will get rid of people we don’t want, at a price that is high but worth it.

    Same with Puerto Rico. Give them whatever they want, within reason, to get them to be independent or go back to Spain and to kick out as many low IQ and non-joy-bringing Puerto Ricans as possible and ensure no more come in.

    It’s like that old saying. Why is divorce so expensive? Because it’s worth it.

  116. Anonymous[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @Spud Boy

    Does any descendent of an American slave honestly believe he/she is worse off than if he/she’s slave ancestor had remained in Africa?

    Was any slave ancestor actually worse off than if he/she had remained in Africa?

  117. Pericles says:
    @treetrunk88

    6. If all whites pay all blacks to simplify things, can a black who just arrived 6 mos. ago get paid?

    YES.

    Should the white guy who moved here from Ireland 5 yrs. ago have to pay?

    YES.

  118. IHTG says:
    @Boethiuss

    Yup, there’s a lot of self-delusion over this. Some of the populists have turned into the mirror image of the GOPe types before Trump who thought they needed to pander to Hispanics to win the electoral college. You’re not winning? You just didn’t pander to working class whites hard enough!

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  119. Beto Pledges to Sharpton to Pass Reparations Bill

    It will be interesting to see if Andrew Yang’s UBI catches on. Instead of some haterade vague “reparations” that appeals only to blacks, everyone who isn’t financially independent could at least in theory feel good about getting a guaranteed tangible, fungible $1000 per month.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
  120. Boethiuss says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    Which is why he needs to jettison Kushner. He thinks a Son-in-Law won’t betray him. But he does not get that political philosophy rules, and Trump’s family status is a secondary consideration.

    What are we supposing that political philosophy rules, where family doesn’t. I’m not seeing it.

    Certainly not for Trump. If there’s anything in this world I’m sure of, Trump knows that if Mueller or the like has Trump arrested, Javanka might stay with him anyway. You and I, no chance.

  121. Boethiuss says:
    @R.G. Camara

    The idea that a sitting president with a very good economy and approval ratings like Trump has, who was just completely exonerated of a large fake scandal his opponents dreamed up—-the very idea that such a man has “slim or none” chance is idiotic.

    Yeah yeah, that’s the point. The economy is great, but Trump’s approval sucks, and it’s been that way as long as he’s been President (and before).

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

    And citing WaPo opinion as persuasive…..just lol.

    It’s not WaPo, it’s Henry Olsen. It’s just being published at the WaPo, like Unz publishes Steve Sailer.

  122. TheBoom says:

    There is no chance that the COTF is in any danger by the democratic party becoming the black party. The Democrats still will be the party that provides they best gibs for non whites and single white women.

    It is all about taking money, jobs and status from white men. In the short run there is no downside for Democratic voters. Even White males can feel safe bragging about how they voted for it and how much they hate whites.

    In the long run good whites will find they aren’t safe but the US will always be better than the shitholes most of our replacements come from.

  123. Boethiuss says:
    @anon

    the only thing i care about is the wall and deporting all illegal aliens and visa overstayers

    Yeah yeah yeah. Some of the commenters here like to tell themselves that, but it’s bullshit.

    How many walls has Trump built? How many illegal aliens and visa overstayers have been deported?

    • Replies: @anon
  124. Boethiuss says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Sure. They are turned off by Trump’s vulgar behavior so much that they refused to vote for him in 2016. That’s why Hillary Clinton is President today.

    Well yeah. We’re not in 2016 any more are we now, Toto? You see Hillary Clinton on a ballot anywhere at a theater near y0u?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  125. Boethiuss says:
    @IHTG

    Yup, there’s a lot of self-delusion over this. Some of the populists have turned into the mirror image of the GOPe types before Trump who thought they needed to pander to Hispanics to win the electoral college. You’re not winning? You just didn’t pander to working class whites hard enough!

    Gawd that is so right. I swear there’s a gaggle of geniuses here who sound exactly like Karl Rove in 2006. “I’m telling you, Latinos are a natural Republican constituency. You don’t believe me? What could you know, W won the election right?”

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  126. @Tiny Duck

    Tiny Duck, Ladies and Gentlemen!

  127. Ed says:

    The Democrats are learning all the wrong lessons from Obama’s victories. He won in large part because he diminished race, he actually would avoid playing to black issues.

    Also I’ve seen the reparations bubble up for the last few years. Yes Coates brought it back but there has been two-three minor YouTube broadcasters that have been hitting hard on the issue. As their following increased they started getting more notice. There’s a hashtag on twitter #ados American descendants of slaves where they tweet. Coulter retweeted them in support.

    Anyway these Dems are going to go down hard.

  128. Ed says:
    @Boethiuss

    So they’re just going to stay home and let the socialists take over because they aren’t getting everything they want at this very moment? Well then they deserve what’s coming down the pike.

  129. Ed says:
    @Nasa

    On Saturday a minor right wing writer for the Federalist tweeted out something snarky on her TL about interrupting her husband during the VA/Purdue game, him barking back and her apologizing by grabbing him a beer. In repose a twitter journalist named Yasar quote tweeted her and registering his disgust. Since he has a huge following people just entered her mentions and slammed her. Yasar is gay and the lady tweeted back that he is in search of manhood through men’s assholes.

    You’d have thought she tweeted out the Protacols of Zion. The right wing writers attacked her viciously. Some going as far as to call her crazy. By the end of the night she was let go by the Federalist and her nascent career ruined. For defending her I got blocked and unfollowed by several right wing writers that I’ve engaged with for years.

    So yes the right wing thought leaders are all in big gay and won’t be leading any traditional revival in fact they’ll fight it.

    • Replies: @Nasa
    , @stillCARealist
  130. @CCZ

    Wonder how much the chambers of commerce of Chicago’s suburbs have to herronor’s campaign? It would have been an excellent investment for their communities.

  131. How many slaves did the federal government own?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  132. @dfordoom

    Agree. It’s about cultural destruction.

    Since the 1970s, working class Americans and Brits have got poorer, as the agenda has won victory after victory.

    (Ed – the story’s in Dalrock
    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2019/04/03/dc-mcallister-swarmed-by-ugly-feminists-fired-by-the-federalist/#comments
    )

  133. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck

    WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT????????

    what about the cost of the nets and chains and the slave ships?? Just how much is black labor actually worth? we fed them housed them better than they ever managed in africa for more exertion, why do you thiik not a single one has returned? Well Liberia so lets compare how the librarians did compared not even to today’s blacks to the slaves they were before they left. Blacks were paid over paid so overpaid the england and the north did away with it in favor of cheaper irish labor and most european nations never bothered with it at all it being way more expensive than the going rate for labor.And all thats nothing compared to the tens of trillions in welfare ever since and the lost opportunity costs in the quadrillions

  134. Realist says:

    The Democrat party is the anti-White party….without a doubt.

  135. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    Gay marriage isn’t left wing.

    It’s certainly radical. And it isn’t marriage.

    Unlimited mass immigration is radical, but it’s good for the corporate bottom line so the mainstream Right loves it.

    Destroying the family is radical but it’s good for the corporate bottom line so the mainstream right has no problem with it. Having a family distracts people from their most important duty – consuming.

    The most radical force that has ever been unleashed upon human society is capitalism. Capitalism destroys every traditional institution, every traditional value, every traditional belief. Profit is all that matters. The family, religion, community, every traditional loyalty is an obstacle to the pursuit of profit and these obstacles must be removed.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Reg Cæsar
  136. I’m down for reparations … to whom do I send a plane ticket to Lagos or Accra?

  137. @Shouting Thomas

    Good news. I hope work becomes impossible for white cops. Maybe then they will finally stop protecting their masters and realize there are more important things in life than their pension.

    • Replies: @Flip
  138. anon[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @IQ Realist

    Sharpton is a low IQ race hustler.

    what tipped you off?

  139. anon[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @Boethiuss

    Yeah yeah yeah. Some of the commenters here like to tell themselves that, but it’s bullshit.

    its cute that you think you know what others really believe better than they do

    How many walls has Trump built? How many illegal aliens and visa overstayers have been deported?

    that’s why he won’t be getting my vote

    that’s why i don’t care if he ends up in jail although i suspect its unlikely as the ending of the mueller investigation seemed to coincide with drump’s new desire for record numbers of legal immigrants and his capitulation on enforcing the southern border

  140. Tex says:
    @Almost Missouri

    To simplify things in the future, every candidate should just promise straight up to give their constituency everybody else’s stuff and to make their constituency immune to everybody else’s laws.

    That’s been off the table for white people for rather a while now.

  141. Mr. Anon says:
    @Boethiuss

    Well yeah. We’re not in 2016 any more are we now, Toto? You see Hillary Clinton on a ballot anywhere at a theater near y0u?

    I’m Toto? Does that make you Judy Garland?

    I’d be more impressed with you prognostications if, at any time, you had been correct. As far as I can tell, you haven’t been. No wondder Theoderic gave you the chop.

    By the way, is there any reason you spell your screen name with two esses? Is it for a double dose of stoacizin’?

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  142. Gabe Ruth says:
    @CCZ

    That is an amazing list. My favorites are eliminating ICE (what office does she hold again?) and phasing out red light cameras, which I’m surprised have not been denounced as racist yet.

    • Replies: @anon
  143. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anon7

    So, as my original contribution to the discussion, I’m suggesting that blacks be issued Guaranteed Winner ™ lottery tickets. That way, they’ll feel like they did something.

  144. Dtbb says:
    @Macumazahn

    It’s almost as if the government has morphed into the old time mafia. From gambling to protection rackets the government has appropriated the reason of being of organized crime. Wiil we devolve to blood feuds, like what the vikings had long ago? Should I be looking for land with a nice cave on it?

  145. @istevefan

    All these grand bargains!

    Let’s give the white man some land, then they’ll leave us alone!

    Folks, reparations have already been paid ten times over. All this latest round of reparations talk is about us how the Ds and their black mercenaries are going to divide up the pillage after the next raid (on us).

  146. @Boethiuss

    The problem is the pandering, Einstein. Everyone hates suckups, especially macho cultures. Don’t need to “win them over” do need to be a good president for all Americans and that takes the wind out of the sails of the race hustlers preventing a turnout wave against you.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  147. @istevefan

    The destruction of marriage has been a long-term goal of the left for quite a while, and the main area of their success. Promotion of homosexuality is just part of that.

    I just watched The Apartment the other night. I’d never seen it and knew nothing about it. 1960, and Hollywood is making an utter mockery of marriage and a complete celebration of adultery and divorce.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  148. @Anon

    I’d never heard of the Quiet Revolution. But it looks like socialism and the welfare state took over the entire province in one fell swoop. Mark Steyn commented off-hand once about how one day in the 1960’s everybody in Quebec stopped going to the Catholic Church and they never went back. I guess this explains it.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  149. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Foreign Expert

    How many slaves did the federal government own?

    How many Southerners did the federal government kill and steal from? Their families are the ones owed reparations.

  150. Nasa says:
    @Ed

    Isn’t it ironic that 70 or 80 IQ Ugandans can figure out the buttsex is icky while 110 IQ white liberals can’t, guess IQ isn’t all it’s cracked up to be?

  151. If anyone doubted before that Beto is a piece of shit, this is an unambiguous proof.

  152. @Ed

    Yasar is gay and the lady tweeted back that he is in search of manhood through men’s assholes.

    That’s pretty good. I didn’t know any right-wingers could still write simple truths like that anymore. She should start her own blog.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  153. @Altai

    True. What does giving reparations to blacks entail ?

    We already have affirmative action , which benefits blacks over whites. The media, our schools and churches already admonish whites daily for past sins against Blacks. Even the corporate culture at all S&P 500 firms push the same narrative , diversity is good for us.

    Whites are already denounced on TV daily and on the various social media platforms denouncing whites is fashionable, while pro-white comments are now banned.

    Most Blacks probably assume reparations will include money for life. But if reparations resulted in a monthly check for $2,500 , many blacks would no longer qualify for welfare or food stamps. Thus a monthly check may not actually help most blacks financially.

  154. @Nasa

    A more likely model is Augusto Pinochet.

  155. @treetrunk88

    You’ve got the wrong model, although the word reparations is deliberately misleading. The real idea is tribute; the developing Cult of Negro Veneration demands that other, especially White, racial groups pay tribute to the cultural icons.

  156. @Reg Cæsar

    DR3 is just boomer tier virtue signalling . NO ONE CARES. Its empty calories. It sucks up the oxygen, much like “anti-semitism”. It means actual issues, like the fact Camp of the Saints is happening on our border, get lost because the boomer con news outlets are running stories about nonsense.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  157. @anon

    As someone who grew up in the Midwest and lives there now, albeit temporarily, Boethiuss’s observation is correct. Trump’s New York style grates on people in the Midwest, but a lot of them swallowed it as the price of someone who might try to alleviate their conditions. Now that Trump has proved to be Jeb Bush with an aggressive Twitter presence, Trump’s vulgarity and ignorance will dissuade enough of them from voting for Trump to tip a number of midwestern states into the Democrat column.

  158. @The Last Real Calvinist

    We’ve got to be winsome winsome winsome winsome winsome . . . .

    Boomer here. And yeah you’re right i’d damn sure like to win some. Heck i’d like to win just effing once.

    How about mandatory E-verify? Or killing DACA on day one? Or–get this–how about a Wall?

  159. bomag says:
    @Shouting Thomas

    Is this a first step to destroying all criminal records for Blacks?

    Such policies have a reliable record of backfiring, so bring it on, I guess.

  160. @Tony

    Agree. It’s another manifestation of post-scarcity.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Anonymous
  161. bomag says:
    @Altai

    nobody knows what… you’re debating

    I think it is best viewed as a climb up the pole to establish Blacks as an aristocracy. No monetary amount or calendar date is entertained; just keep the grievance conversation going and take anything offered while demanding ever more in a ratchet campaign up the ladder.

  162. @PSR

    It won’t just be for slavery–it will be for Jim Crow as well.

    What blacks and indios would really prefer is to dock white peoples’ paychecks directly but since everybody’s still buying the bonds–for now–they’ll content themselves with Treasury payments. The mestizos will pile on board with their “stolen Aztlan” mythology. Pretty much every group will dredge up some historical slight to justify transfer payments from the founding stock–like Alexander Hamilton et al. intended.

    • Replies: @anon
  163. @JimS

    That was a fun one. The Enchiridion is still my personal fav – the perfect tool for puncturing contemporary prejudices.

  164. Boethiuss says:
    @Desiderius

    The problem is the pandering, Einstein. Everyone hates suckups, especially macho cultures. Don’t need to “win them over” do need to be a good president for all Americans and that takes the wind out of the sails of the race hustlers preventing a turnout wave against you.

    I’m not completely getting this comment, it reads a little bit like you wrote a text message from your phone.

    Fwiw I agree with you about the “winsomeness” thing upthread as it pertains to the culture politics of Christianity in a world with gay marriage and the rest of it, but I suspect you were talking about something else here.

    As a generality, there’s more to be said for “winning them over” that you’re giving credit for, especially in the world of the Trump Administration. Presumably, the alternative is being a take-charge manly sort of Action Jackson. But that only works if you actually do it. Trump tries to get by on atmostpherics, and that doesn’t work when people are actually paying attention.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  165. @Boethiuss

    Yes, action is what ultimately matters.

    Winning over is the residue of effective action.

    Pandering is for losers.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  166. @The Anti-Gnostic

    There is no post-scarcity.

    When the American Empire loses hegemony we’ll get to see scarcity up close and personal.

  167. Boethiuss says:
    @Desiderius

    Yes, action is what ultimately matters.

    Ok, but if you’re Trump and you don’t have the skill or intelligence to take effective action (either in general or the wall in particular) then what do you do? For me, the answer is simple enough, get rid of Trump, but a lot of people here don’t like that answer.

    In any event, it’s silly to pretend that “winning people over” is something that we’re in position to disdain.

  168. Lot says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    Trump/DoJ has won or partly won every single Supreme Court immigration case so far.

    Last one was just a few days ago.

    If Trump acts, they will support him.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    , @Jack Hanson
    , @IHTG
  169. Boethiuss says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I’m Toto? Does that make you Judy Garland?

    Well yeah, in a manner of speaking I guess it does. I mean, come on for Chrissakes it’s a figure of speech. And I don’t expect Hillary Clinton to be a candidate in 2020, either in the real world or in Oz.

  170. @Desiderius

    I’ve been told that all my life. My esteemed father tells me he’s been told that all his life.

    I’d love to believe the Great Reset will happen. It was supposed to happen in 2008 but we just monetized the liabilities and have been rocking along ever since.

    What is money at this point? How many bonds does the Treasury have to sell each month to keep twenty-two trillion dollars in federal debt afloat? Why are we still paying taxes?

    To hell with it, I want my Yangbucks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Desiderius
    , @BB753
  171. PSR says:
    @Desiderius

    It was still considered a mental disorder until the early 1970s.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  172. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Now that Trump has proved to be Jeb Bush with an aggressive Twitter presence,

    Wouldn’t people in the Midwest prefer a Jeb Bush candidate and platform anyways? What are the policies that they vote on?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  173. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Agree. It’s another manifestation of post-scarcity.

    Lack of scarcity is a good thing, right?

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  174. lavoisier says: • Website

    I look forward to a future Sharpton conference where this question is asked:

    “Do you really believe that the reason for black underachievement in virtually all aspects of social life that matter can all be explained by racism??”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  175. J1234 says:

    Beto Pledges to Sharpton to Pass Reparations Bill…

    ….And Joins the Committee to Reelect Trump.

  176. lavoisier says: • Website
    @James Speaks

    I’m waiting for the ultimate white privilege tax, namely the IQ reparations tax. It’s to seek redress for the injustice visited upon the colored folk whereupon nature deprived them of the 30 to 50 IQ points needed to akshually be superior to whites.

    I think the relevant number is approximately 15.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
  177. anon[166] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gabe Ruth

    Red light cameras, as implemented in many places, is a crony capitalist profit scam. The companies bribe mayors and city councils to get them installed and the legal/financial agreements give the company a cut of the fines.

    Little evidence it makes intersections safer and some contravening evidence that it increases rear end accidents b/c people begin to slam brakes for yellow lights.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  178. Art Deco says:
    @Anon7

    It has been suggested that blacks can have weed franchises, but that’s too much like work, so that’s out. I guess they could just be issued checks. But aren’t they already issued checks? So that’s no good.

    Again, the employment-to-population ratio for blacks is currently 0.61 (v. 0.62 for whites).

    • Agree: Desiderius
  179. Flip says:
    @Chick Gandil

    The Chicago pensions probably won’t be paid eventually anyway.

  180. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    Again, the employment-to-population ratio for blacks is currently 0.61 (v. 0.62 for whites).

    What does this mean?

  181. @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Combination of many things natural, nurtural, and volitional, but mostly just arrested development.

  182. TwistTie says:

    Beto the White Beta.

  183. @Jack Hanson

    Perhaps you didn’t get my point– maybe it wasn’t clear.

    Democrats are implicitly admitting that racism is right. Blacks go along with this, and all other races except whites, for that matter.

    Don’t ignore this. Leverage it.

    I’m not saying adopt this position, but force the other side to defend it.

    (And please quit using bogus terms like “boomer”. It’s not an identity. It sure wasn’t 50 years ago.)

  184. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Could you please elaborate on your two posts, because the ideas seem to be potentially really interesting but I’m not sure I completely understand what you are getting at either.

    The proper question to ask is why are Democrats the real racists? And why do the races affected seem to agree with them? What aren’t they telling us?

    Why should these questions be asked? What do you guess the answers are?

    Democrats are implicitly admitting that racism is right.

    They are? How?

    Don’t ignore this. Leverage it.

    Don’t ignore which of the two things? How is someone supposed to leverage it?

    I’m not saying adopt this position, but force the other side to defend it.

    What would adopting the position entail doing? (I realize you are not advising to do so, but I’m not sure exactly what you are advising against here.). How do you force the other side to defend “it”?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  185. @Tiny Duck

    ” So white girls crave them”

    Yeah, especially the 350 Lb beauties.

    AJM

  186. @Diversity Heretic

    ” Tip a number of midwestern states into the Democrat column”

    Yeah as if putting the crazy-ass Democrats back in the drivers seat, and tanking the economy, will make things better in the midwest. I’m from Mi and I know wtf I am talking about : Everyone I know in MI, who voted for DT is more than happy with his efforts as they are aware of the horrible crazed opposition he is dealing with 24/7.

    Detroit ,a former world-class metropolis is the most perfect example of Democrat politics possible.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.

  187. @Art Deco

    You should send that statistic to Al Sharpton. That’ll show him.

  188. bomag says:
    @e

    Agree.

    The institution of marriage was beat down by divorce laws and the welfare state; not much fighting spirit remained.

  189. bomag says:
    @dfordoom

    The most radical force that has ever been unleashed upon human society is capitalism.

    A bit harsh. Capitalism is a tool to aid in accomplishing economic ends; any tool can be misused.

  190. IC8 says:
    @dfordoom

    Why do alt-righters insist on pushing this idiotic idea that marxists/socialists were all social conservatives until duh EVIL CAPITALISTS subverted them? It’s totally ahistorical bullshit. The left has been viciously anti-Christian going all the way back to Karl Marx, and before that, to the French Revolution. The pro-homosexual sentiment of the left arose inevitably from their hatred of Christians.
    The Soviet Union was the only country in WWII to allow women in the military, were “the capitalists” responsible for that? The “transgender” insanity was invented by German Jewish academic marxists. Pro tip: the left never actually cared about the working class, it was always just an excuse to destroy civilization.

    • Replies: @IHTG
  191. istevefan says:
    @stillCARealist

    Mark Steyn commented off-hand once about how one day in the 1960’s everybody in Quebec stopped going to the Catholic Church and they never went back. I guess this explains it.

    Does that dovetail with Vatican II?

  192. @Tiny Duck

    “Redlining, Jim Crow, police brutality, lynch mobs, segregation, restricted educational and career opportunities, discriminatory banking practices, racism in house values, the psychological toll of everyday sorts of racism in insults, slurs, etc., to name a few.”

    In other words, the proper way to deal with a low iq, violent, and impulsive people.

  193. @istevefan

    The Church started becoming downstream of culture a lot earlier.

  194. anon[255] • Disclaimer says:

    Republicans are genuinely surprised at how the issue of droit du noir — the right of an African American man to have sex with any woman he chooses – has reemerged as a Democratic base issue. Polling has consistently found most black voters warm to the idea and a supermajority of other voters opposed to it. It was nowhere on the political radar until February, when the hosts of the Breakfast Club radio show asked Sen. Kamala Harris of California whether she supported “some type” of droit du noir and she said she did, arguing that her focus on criminal justice reform and disparities in health care would benefit black Americans.

  195. Anon7 says:
    @Art Deco

    Under the current administration, White E/P is 0.61 and for blacks it’s 0.58 at present. Under Obama, black E/P dropped as low as 0.51.

    https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/employment-population-ratio.htm

  196. @lavoisier

    Sharpton, by the way, publicly hates gangsta rap.

    • Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope
  197. @Steve Sailer

    I guess he hasn’t figured out how to get his cut of the profits.

  198. IHTG says:
    @Lot

    He’s won because his executive orders were actually reasonable. And you know, a Supreme Court full of conservative Catholics may not look kindly at the “Hispanic ban” some people imagine Trump can enact with a snap of his fingers.

  199. IHTG says:
    @IC8

    Maybe because they’re looking at the politics of today’s post-Soviet countries and wondering what those commies did right.

  200. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s not complicated. People in Midwest simply want what their fathers had: a job, a house, a future in what they perceive their country. Almost nobody ever votes for policies – the votes are for a dominant message. Trump provided a resonant message with “MAGA”, Jeb did not.

  201. anon[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Yes, and also all those mute, inglorious Yangs who were denied the opportunity to come to America to be exploited. Clearly, a grave injustice was done to these people. No reparations, no peace.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act

    After the act was passed, most Chinese families were faced with a dilemma: stay in the United States alone or go back to China to reunite with their families.[11] Although widespread dislike for the Chinese persisted well after the law itself was passed, of note is that some capitalists and entrepreneurs resisted their exclusion because they accepted lower wages.[12]

  202. @PSR

    I’m aware of that. What we have today is an overcorrection but it is a correction.

    We are not our lusts, even our disordered ones.

  203. @stillCARealist

    “She should start her own blog.”

    And be de-platformed instantly.

    Remember, we got our privately owned internet, ‘cuz everyone was so individualist and libertarian, only to find out that the leftist hive mind got control of the platforms, and any speech that they did not like had no place there. Oops.

  204. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @CCZ

    Wow, that’s quite a list of priority policies! Is Chicago the next Detroit? How long will it take?

  205. @istevefan

    Likely. What is the point of continuance of support of an organized religion when that religion’s leadership are actively repudiating many fundamental tenets and practices of the religion. And incidentally, it is no surprise that the scandal of sexual abuse arose in recent times; those in charge of the institution were morally corrupt for some time preceding, and they advanced the perversion through good, old-fashioned institutional corruption covering for each other since they were nihilists at heart.

  206. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    If all Dem candidates come out to support reparations, they can’t come up with a better support of default Sailer Strategy, no matter how inept GOP/Trump is.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  207. @Reg Cæsar

    Democrats are implicitly admitting that racism is right. Blacks go along with this, and all other races except whites, for that matter.

    Don’t ignore this. Leverage it.

    I’m not saying adopt this position, but force the other side to defend it.

    But that is classic DR3. The ‘other side’ doesn’t need to defend it.

    The failure of DR3 is the bogus implication that racism, as a concept, is wrong. Racism as a broad sentiment is perfectly natural and empirically justifiable. But since the Civil Rights era, Americans have in theory, though not yet in practice, mutually agreed that public racial discrimination is wrong, especially as part of government policy. DR3 ‘conservatives’ latch on to the latter, quoting MLK about solely judging individual ‘content of character,’ but the existence of official racial affirmative action puts the lie to impotent DR3 bleating.

    If racism is wrong (i.e. both the left and DR3 state there are no fundamental differences between races), the left already has an unassailable rhetorical position: Eternal redress is owed by whites because of past (and current) domination over non-whites.

    The only way forward for whites to prevail is not to counter-signal racism, which is weak, craven, and dishonest, but to agree and amplify racial ‘receipts’ tallying by plainly pointing out obvious inherent aggregate deficiencies in other races, from the statistical (13/50, 85 IQ) to the subjective (culture, looks, mien). This eliminates the left’s current rhetorical case for non-white racial spoils. And down comes the rotting facade of ‘proposition nation’ which most non-whites never fully bought into.

    Of course, whites who do this had better be prepared for possible violent conflict at both the individual and collective level. Democrats R the Real Racists? Nah, everyone’s the real racists. D2B: Dem’s da brakes.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  208. Boethiuss says:
    @Anonymous

    If all Dem candidates come out to support reparations, they can’t come up with a better support of default Sailer Strategy, no matter how inept GOP/Trump is.

    Maybe, but even so this runs up against the Democrats and their decades of experience in handling issues like this and quashing the beefs where they have to.

    In this case, like Steve wrote in the OP, TNC doesn’t really need random black people in Memphis cashing checks to consider reparations activism a success, in fact it’s not even clear that he wants it. What he does want is a big ordained federal gov’t commission out there bashing whitey every day.

    And that creates a natural fallback position the other side can use against us. White people (and non-blacks in general) hate the idea of reparations, but they’re not necessarily taking it very seriously. And they won’t until it progresses a ways further down the pipe than it has gone at present. So the other side can use the possibility of reparations to gin up black turnout, and then run away from the issue if the heat gets too hot. At the same time they can give the black activist class the consolation prize of what they wanted in the first place.

    Reparations is an issue that very well may break in our favor. But it’s stupid to think that it has to.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  209. @Reg Cæsar

    No, you missed my point that THEY DONT CARE. Blacks, hispanics, the Dems: THEY DONT CARE. Your Boomer DR3 nonsense means absolutely nothing, just like your attempts at word policing.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Reg Cæsar
  210. @Lot

    Yeah, except Old Lady Chief Roberts gets his dress in a huff when POTATUS points out the insanity of the courts, but is silent when a 9th Circus district judge ignores prior SCOTUS rulings and does what the hell it wants.

    Trump acts within the scope of his powers and the courts discover ORANGE MAN BAD legal theory. Trump decides to ban bump stocks and all of a sudden he can do what he wants.

    Relying on the courts is boiling the frog slowly and will end in tears.

  211. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I’ve been told that all my life. My esteemed father tells me he’s been told that all his life.

    What is the reasoning?

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  212. dfordoom says: • Website
    @stillCARealist

    The destruction of marriage has been a long-term goal of the left for quite a while

    The destruction of marriage is being pushed hardest by the corporate sector. They don’t like families – single people are better consumers. Married people tend to do anti-social things like saving. Single people spend all their money. Homosexuals spend a lot of money. Therefore married people bad, single people and homosexuals good. That’s capitalism baby.

    The destruction of marriage has been a long-term goal of capitalism for a long time.

    The push for open borders is also coming most strongly from the corporate sector. From their point of view it means lower wages, more compliant workforces and more consumers so for them what’s not to love?

    The fact that these things will destroy society is something to which they are utterly indifferent. Destroying society is a small price to pay for higher profits. These are people who agree with Margaret Thatcher who said there’s no such thing as society.

    There is no Left today. Globalism, open borders and social justice rule – all right-wing ideologies.

    People who blame the Left are still living in the Cold War era, still searching for commies under the bed. There’s a conspiracy to wreck society, no doubt about that, but it’s a right-wing conspiracy. Brought to you by your friendly neighbourhood billionaires and bankers.

  213. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Boethiuss

    White people (and non-blacks in general) hate the idea of reparations, but they’re not necessarily taking it very seriously.

    I have yet to see anyone in this thread advance a moral frame to rival/replace the reparations one. It’s all either point and sputter or argument from pragmatism. This is why White people are losing.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Boethiuss
  214. @The Anti-Gnostic

    That was pretty much Macaulay’s take in the 1850’s. Once the pound lost it’s primacy the average Brit did take it on the chin, hard, and for an extended period.

  215. @Anonymous

    Your problem is that you always place the burden of proof exactly where your enemies want it to be.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  216. Boethiuss says:
    @Anonymous

    I have yet to see anyone in this thread advance a moral frame to rival/replace the reparations one. It’s all either point and sputter or argument from pragmatism. This is why White people are losing.

    Really? I think that part is pretty clear. Eg, comment 20 on my browser:

    If Trump had testicular fortitude, or listened to me, he’d say that there’s 300,000 dead white men populating military cemeteries in places like Gettysburg, and no one owes their black asses a damn thing anymore, and hasn’t since 1865.

    And the like. In fact, if we put in a decent effort I think we can probably even persuade neutrals and adversaries on the merits. The problem is they won’t, not because of reparations, but because they don’t want to be associated with us in order to agree with us about something controversial.

    That’s where things like sustaining political strength (above simply winning an election) and creating the perception of permanence. And that is at least one place where Trump is clearly a failure. We can, if we choose a la Scott Adams, buy into Trump’s John Wayne alpha-male act. But there is simply no way we can believe that Trump is fundamentally and permanently changing our politics for the better. It is simply established fact that the judiciary and various parts of the executive branch can openly defy him without consequence. And Trump has no cadre of loyalists he can put in key positions to do his will (optimally they could figure it out on their own accord and move the ball forward without even being told).

    In any case, the upshot of all this is pretty clear. Because the populist Right has no permanence, anybody without a dog in this fight feels clearly enough that there’s a lot more risk of negative repercussions for agreeing with us than there is for agreeing with them.

    And this can still hold even if the underlying idea is ridiculous or wildly unpopular, eg, reparations. Like Steve wrote in the OP, the other side doesn’t have to actually get reparations to win the issue for their purposes.

  217. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    The opponent has satisfied its burden before the audience by advancing its own plausible moral frame. It is now up to White people to knock it away by supplying their own.

  218. You grant them plausible for free.

    If they propose that we all be required to walk on our hands for four-hundred years to make up for all the oppression our feet have suffered, it is now up to White people to…

    Wait a minute, who said anything about White people?

  219. @lavoisier

    30 to 50 IQ points needed to akshually be superior to whites.

    I think the relevant number is approximately 15.

    Of course you do. It’s programmed into your head “as IQ points.” But I said to ackshually be superior, so I was thinking what it would take to be one to two SD about white average, and that would be 115 to 135. Here, I’ll do the maff for you:

    115 – 85 = 30
    135 – 85 = 50

  220. @Jack Hanson

    Your Boomer DR3 nonsense

    Do you realize how stupid “Boomer” sounds to anyone born before 1968? Just because you have deep issues with your parents doesn’t mean everyone born between some arbitrary dates in 1946 and 1964 has anything in common with them. “Boomer” is about as legitimate as “homophobic”. Neither term existed in 1972.

    I wasn’t addressing “Dems”.

    No Democrat has trusted blacks with guns in two hundred years. Because blacks cannot be trusted with guns. Period. They were nearly exempted from the draft in 1917, but whites outside the South would have rebelled. So they were drafted to cook.

    Therefore, blacks. Cannot. Be. Trusted. With. Guns.

    All I’m saying is, force the other side to say this out loud, in front of independents. And guilty Republicans. If they won’t, then they concede the argument.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Jack Hanson
  221. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The failure of DR3 is the bogus implication that racism, as a concept, is wrong.

    No, the failure is with their use of the concept. They concede the issue. I don’t.

    What I’m saying is that Democrats admit by implication that the races aren’t equal. So use this.

    …but to agree and amplify racial ‘receipts’ tallying by plainly pointing out obvious inherent aggregate deficiencies in other races, from the statistical (13/50, 85 IQ) to the subjective (culture, looks, mien).

    Uh, IQ figures have been around for a century. Why would they be listened to now? Eggheads like J Philippe Rushton were surprised when their IQ arguments went nowhere, but all of a sudden race became relevant in the AIDS “crisis”. Anyone on the street could have told them that.

    But look at the ferocity with which the Left attacked the McDonald decision. The Supreme Court says blacks can own guns if they don’t have a criminal record. Why is this even an issue, unless there is something fundamentally different about blacks?

    Like I said, they so much as admit it.

    deficiencies in other races

    Let’s not forget the deficiencies in our own. We’re getting suckered in by trannies now, after being taken to the cleaners by homos and women and, need I remind you, “civil rights activists”.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  222. @Anonymous

    Democrats are implicitly admitting that racism is right.

    They are? How?

    Just try opening a gun store south of the Loop. Chuck’s has been under siege because of their antiracism.

    The Violent History of Chicago’s Most Notorious Gun Shop

    Brady Campaign vs Chuck’s Gun Shop

    Police arrest Jackson, Pfleger at gun protest

    Chuck’s Gun Shop Throws a Tantrum

    From the last link:

    Last week, Chuck’s and other Chicago area gun dealers and owners filed a lawsuit in Cook County Circuit Court claiming a new $25 tax on every gun purchase in Cook County infringes on the right to bear arms…

    Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle, who served as a Chicago alderman for 19 years, proposed the tax to cover some of the costs related to gun violence…

    Name sound familiar?

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  223. @Jack Hanson

    THEY DONT CARE.

    Obviously, somebody cares. or Donald Trump wouldn’t be President.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  224. @Reg Cæsar

    force the other side to say this out loud

    If they had any force they’d have already done any number of things.

  225. @dfordoom

    That was a quick answer. Why didn’t you use the Post Office?

  226. IHTG says:
    @Lot

    Trump won those cases because those cases were reasonable. You can’t extrapolate from that to a bunch of Catholic conservative Supreme Court Justices supporting a “Hispanic ban”.

    I’ll say it again, this “Trump can stop immigration with a stroke of the pen” is the blackpiller’s refuge. It’s an excuse not to do the difficult work of persuading people.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  227. @Reg Cæsar

    What I’m saying is that Democrats admit by implication that the races aren’t equal. So use this.

    Yah, and I’m saying it doesn’t matter what the D’s are accidentally implying. A parlor (pallor?) game of rhetorical “Gotcha!” isn’t going to sway either them or a few remaining clueless moderates. What matters is what the D’s are demanding, and the laws they may be making/breaking, and how their judges are ruling.

    Uh, IQ figures have been around for a century. Why would they be listened to now? Eggheads like J Philippe Rushton were surprised when their IQ arguments went nowhere …

    Exactly. Easily ignored and vilified obscure-to-the public “eggheads” may have the facts, but for real impact it’s going to take powerful mainstream whites with balls to unapologetically, and publicly, discuss the aforementioned numbers, etc. Think Tucker Carlson hitting his audience with detailed Derb-style “race realism” in the context of reparations and who really “built America.” BOOM . . .

    It would be the crossing of a red line taboo in mainstream public racial discourse—quite different than arching an eyebrow and vainly trying to shame the shameless in front of an ignorant crowd: “Aren’t you Democrats the real racists?” [sad trombone]

    But look at the ferocity with which the Left attacked the McDonald decision. The Supreme Court says blacks can own guns if they don’t have a criminal record.

    Correction: The Court ruled (5-4) that anyone otherwise qualified can own guns if they don’t have a criminal record. That’s the cause of the ferocity.

    It seems you unironically agree with Sailer’s cutesy (joking?) Occam’s Butterknife assertion that the real reason Democrats and the broader left wants to restrict guns is because they’re afraid of criminal blacks, but won’t admit it.

    As Jack Hanson has correctly pointed out in past responses to Steve: No, it’s because the left fears armed, uncowed whites and wants total power. Sure, they may also want to make it harder for dipshit gangbangers to pop off. But that’s just a red herring excuse in the not-so-secret larger plot against the 2A and other items in the Bill of Rights.

    Like I said, they so much as admit [their racism].

    Cold comfort, if they hold more and more power. I’m more concerned about power and freedom, not superficial rhetorical ‘ownage’ (fun as it may be).

    Like I said, “Everyone’s the real racists.” One side painting the other as “racist” is fast receding as a moral admonition. No one but cucks will care. What everyone wants to know is who’s going to be in charge.

    Let’s not forget the deficiencies in our own [race].

    • Agree

    • Agree: Jack Hanson
  228. kitabel says:

    1. My ancestors were slaves in Egypt (the Bible says so)
    2. Egyptians were black (Blacks say so)
    3. Blacks owe me $100 trillion, compounded since 1200 BC

  229. @Reg Cæsar

    A relative saw a good price recently on some .22LR ammo at a Walmart and as he was asking for it the clerk said: “You do realize there’s a $5 TAX on each box, don’t you?” He had forgotten he was in Cook County, IL and it was the Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle ammo tax.

    As for firearms for the Black market, well…

  230. BB753 says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I blame Nixon. For getting rid of gold and establishing a de facto fiat currency.

  231. @Anonymous

    The reasoning is that the government’s debt becomes unmarketable once it’s clear the Fed will never refuse to cash the government’s checks, regardless of how many millions, billions, and now trillions it owes. The government either has to pay higher interest to attract creditors or crash the currency. As far back as the 1950’s, people were saying that the national debt was unsustainable and it was time to stock up on cigarettes and ammo. They’ve been saying it ever since.

    I don’t know what’s keeping all the balls in the air. In 2008 the whole charade should have blown up but it didn’t. We just printed money, bought the inflated assets and parked them on the Fed’s balance sheet (they’re mostly still there) and never looked back.

    My hypothesis is with the current levels of industrialization and efficiencies that there’s enough baseline productivity in the economy so it really doesn’t matter how much money we print.

    Post-scarcity, which obliterates classical economics so you may as well join your fellow citizens in subsidized debauchery.

    • Replies: @Lot
  232. @Anonymous

    Supposedly, soft times create soft people who create hard times. Like the Dutch Harbor eagles that no longer hunt, and will probably go extinct if the humans ever leave.

    But if it’s truly post-scarcity, then things get to rock along until the heat death of the Universe.

  233. @Reg Cæsar

    Shut up Boomer. You obviously have a belief in the idea that “rayciss” is a magic word versus a rhetorical shiv that goes one way.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  234. @Reg Cæsar

    Lmdo okay boomer, continue to think that DR3 got Trump elected.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  235. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “13% of the population commits >50% of the homicides” is exponentially more effective than this “THE FIRST BLACK FEMALE POSTAL WORKER WAS A REPUBLICAN” Turning Points USA conservacuck nonsense that RegCaesar is advocating.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Boethiuss
  236. Anonymous[722] • Disclaimer says:
    @IHTG

    I’ll say it again, this “Trump can stop immigration with a stroke of the pen” is the blackpiller’s refuge. It’s an excuse not to do the difficult work of persuading people.

    Applies to Richard Spencer.

  237. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    As Jack Hanson has correctly pointed out in past responses to Steve: No, it’s because the left fears armed, uncowed whites and wants total power.

    The Democrats’ views on blacks and guns haven’t changed in over two hundred years, and that’s sure not what their reasoning was in 1819. They haven’t changed.

    The biggest fallacy in American politics today is that the parties have changed since the 19th century. Some Southerners realize that the Republicans haven’t, even thought their neighbors vote for them.

    It’s the same with the Democrats. They are fundamentally the same lot they’ve always been, “managing diversity”. What they’ve done since WWII isn’t change, but change sides. Like a football team at the quarter.

    Correction: The Court ruled (5-4) that anyone otherwise qualified can own guns if they don’t have a criminal record. That’s the cause of the ferocity.

    No correction needed. “Anyone otherwise qualified” includes millions of blacks.

    Like I said, “Everyone’s the real racists.”

    Reality is racist. (Actually, I reject the bogus term “racist”, as it was never used for any legitimate reason, and doesn’t make sense. It’s a weapon, not a word. Same goes for Jack’s idiotic “Boomer”. I’m not from Oklahoma.)

    You all think I’m trying to change the mind of the Left. No, I’m looking at the mass of people outside the Left. They understand that whites can be trusted with guns, given reasonable exceptions. They also cast a huge number of swing votes.

    Cold comfort, if they hold more and more power. I’m more concerned about power and freedom, not superficial rhetorical ‘ownage’ (fun as it may be).

    “Ownage”? Whatever. But look at all the bitching about “urban sprawl”, and policies to contain it. Did you know that that term was coined by developers themselves? It was hijacked and used against them. “Disparate impact” can be used the same way.

  238. @Jack Hanson

    Lmdo okay boomer, continue to think that DR3 got Trump elected.

    Lmdo, boomer, racist…

    That’s a lot of non-words in a short sentence.

    I never said anything of the sort; you are blinded by your assumptions. I said realism, albeit mostly unspoken, got him elected.

    Would it be better if we said “Democrats are the real realists?

  239. @Jack Hanson

    I see. Proposing to revive Virginia’s statute demanding that “No free negro or mulatto shall be suffered to keep or carry any firelock of any kind…” is “conservacuckoldry”.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    , @Jack Hanson
  240. @Reg Cæsar

    Boomer, you keep missing the point because of your insistence that “racist” is a magic spell. Do you really think that statute means anything? Honestly? Lmdo no wonder this country has been falling apart for decades.

    How well has Republicans fellating “based black conservative” worked out? Ill take my answers off the air, thanks.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  241. @Reg Cæsar

    Simple test: what’s going to get you unpersoned faster?

    Quoting crime statistics and pointing out who’s doing the raping or talking about “lowest minority unemployment” and that the Dems were the party of the KKK?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  242. Art Deco says:
    @Desiderius

    1. There is no Empire.

    2. Productive enterprise in this country is not going to go ‘poof’. You can have cyclical contractions in response to financial factors but the capital stock and the human capital are still there.

    3. Household debt-service ratios (for which the numerator is the sum of interest payments and principal retirements) are currently below the median of the last forty years.

    4. The ratio of mortgage debt outstanding to domestic product is currently 0.756. It was 1.0 in 2008, 0.777 in 2003, 0.67 in 2000, and 1.09 in 1989.

    The metric that’s definitely moved in a disagreeable direction is the ratio of foreign holdings of Treasury issues to GDP, which has gone from 6.7% to 31% in the last 30 years.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  243. @Jack Hanson

    I never suggested the latter. Only proposing that maybe being the party of the KKK was right.

    Repealing the Fourteenth Amendment is going to take a lot more work than merely quoting crime statistics.

  244. @Jack Hanson

    Boomer, you keep missing the point because of your insistence that “racist” is a magic spell.

    I just said it wasn’t even a legitimate word. Now, somehow I’ve made it a talisman.

    Get out of your own head and read what’s actually posted on your screen.

    Boomer

    Now, there you go again. Somehow Bill Clinton, George W Bush, Barack Obama, Donald Trump, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Steve Sailer, Scott Adams, Jared Taylor, Jeffrey Dahmer, and I have something in common other than being born between two arbitrarily chosen dates.

    You haven’t even told us how old you are.

  245. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    But that’s just a red herring excuse in the not-so-secret larger plot against the 2A and other items in the Bill of Rights.

    Under current decisions, the Second Amendment, like the rest of the Bill of Rights, only applies to the states by using “incorporation” of the Fourteenth Amendment. Nothing will kill gun rights faster than the Fourteenth.

    So drop the “2A” BS. White men’s gun ownership needs to be protected from state perfidy by clauses in the body of the Constitution. Not by questionable additions thereto.

    You guys are hammering me for “cuck” views (which I don’t hold), yet you assume the Fourteenth Amendment is legitimate? You’re the cucks!

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  246. @Jack Hanson

    Shut up Boomer. You obviously have a belief in the idea that “rayciss” is a magic word versus a rhetorical shiv that goes one way.

    And you obviously believe the post-“Boomer” crap that buggery consummates a marriage.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States#By_age

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  247. @Art Deco

    1. Beside the point, which is the reserve currency/petrodollars.

    2-4. The issue is treasury debt, not personal. As you note, huge vulnerability and headed in the wrong direction.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  248. @Reg Cæsar

    Under current decisions, the Second Amendment, like the rest of the Bill of Rights, only applies to the states by using “incorporation” of the Fourteenth Amendment. Nothing will kill gun rights faster than the Fourteenth.

    So drop the “2A” BS.

    It seems you haven’t kept up with current jurisprudence.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privileges_or_Immunities_Clause#Post-Slaughter-House

    In the 2010 case of McDonald v. Chicago, Justice Thomas, while concurring with the majority in declaring the Second Amendment applicable to state and local governments, declared that he had reached the same conclusion only through the Privileges or Immunities Clause. Legal scholar Randy Barnett argues that since no other justice, either in majority or dissent, attempted to question his rationale, this constitutes a revival of the Privileges or Immunities Clause.

    In the 2019 case of Timbs v. Indiana where the court incorporated the Eighth Amendment against excessive fines against state governments, Justice Thomas again argued in a concurrence that the right should have been incorporated via the Privileges or Immunities clause. Justice Gorsuch also agreed in a separate concurrence that the Privileges or Immunities clause “may well [have been] the appropriate vehicle for incorporation.”

    Here’s me in 2017 schooling legal eagle Jack D on the 14th and how it relates to the Bill of Rights as applied to states (#393):

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/have-white-men-committed-the-majority-of-the-521-mass-shootings-since-orlando/#comment-2032228

    Question: The 14th Amendment has many clauses. Exactly which ones do you want to eliminate? All of them? There’s a few in there I’d like to keep.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  249. @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah it was us millennials who discovered a right to buttsex and killing your kid in the constitution.

    The boomer cries out from his Polaris Slingshot as he refuses to take responsibility.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  250. Grow up and act white.

  251. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You and Jack-the-“millennial” are accusing me of ignoring black crime. But it’s you who are doing so. It’s precisely the Fourteenth Amendment that prevents us from reintroducing the 19th-century laws that explicitly and specifically prohibited free blacks from possessing firearms– and left whites alone.

    The “incorporation doctrine” is pretty new. We got along fine without it for 150 years. And this incorporation is suspiciously “selective”. Why did it take almost 90 years before it was applied to the Second?

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/incorporation_doctrine

    Instead of applying the Bill of Rights as a whole to the states, as it might have done through the Privileges and Immunities Clause, the Supreme Court has gradually applied selected elements of the first ten amendments to the states through the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. This process, known as selective incorporation, began in earnest in the 1920s.
    http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Incorporation+Doctrine

    The militia– which once consisted of all free white men– was addressed in the Constitution before it was even amended:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-1/section-8/clause-15%E2%80%9316

    States cannot disarm the populace without depriving Congress or the President of their ability to call out a militia– which would not exist!

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  252. @Jack Hanson

    The boomer cries out from his Polaris Slingshot as he refuses to take responsibility.

    Aha! You want reparations! Should’ve seen that coming!

    (What the hell is a “Slingshot”? Sounds like a cocktail.)

    Yeah it was us millennials who discovered a right to buttsex and killing your kid in the constitution.

    Roe was decided before I got the vote. I’m as responsible for that as you are for chattel slavery.

  253. Art Deco says:
    @Desiderius

    Britain gets along passably. No one’s prosperity is dependent on having or maintaining reserve currency status. Having debts denominated in your own currency takes pressure off, but that’s all.

    The Treasury debt is troublesome if there’s a sudden loss in confidence.

  254. Boethiuss says:
    @Jack Hanson

    “13% of the population commits >50% of the homicides” is exponentially more effective than this “THE FIRST BLACK FEMALE POSTAL WORKER WAS A REPUBLICAN” Turning Points USA conservacuck nonsense that RegCaesar is advocating.

    Ok fine, as a rhetorical strategy or tactic that might be the best choice if we’re down to those two.

    But those won’t always be our choices, and more importantly, it’s not the important frame of reference even if we they are. It’s far more useful to be Republican and to create solidarity around Republicans, whether Republicans are, rhetorically speaking, DR3 or blaming blacks as being responsible for violent crime in America.

    But if I’m understanding your comments right, that’s exactly what you’re unwilling to do. Ie, if the GOP is DR3 then you are manifestly not willing to be Republican. And frankly, even if they’re not, you’re still kinda iffy even in the best case. You keep running this beef, trying to pick a small edge that you might not even win. And at a cost, you’re keeping us exposed to significant, long-term, strategic vulnerability.

    Anybody who’s willing to get in the middle of this beef has the potential to move various factions of us hither and yon. Instead, if could just hold a long-term front against the Left, we’d accomplish a lot more, and most of that we wouldn’t even have to fight for directly.

  255. @Reg Cæsar

    You and Jack-the-“millennial” are accusing me of ignoring black crime.

    Fighting black crime is your non-sequitur in a discussion about the value of DR3 as strategic political talking point. I brought up black crime (“13/50”) as an example all RealRacists™ can cite as part of a justifiably racist stance. But you still cling to tu quoque DR3, which is rightly known as a stereotypical (and silly) “boomer”-approved concept—and that’s why Jack’s pounding you raw in the annuity with that epithet.

    It’s precisely the Fourteenth Amendment that prevents us from reintroducing the 19th-century laws that explicitly and specifically prohibited free blacks from possessing firearms– and left whites alone.

    Colonel R.C. Angus sitting on the verandah on a cool spring evening, sippin’ an Old Fashioned, looking out over the fields where les bêtes noires used to toil:

    “It’s that pesky Fawteenth, gennemen. We’ll rustle up the votes, send it straight to hell, and our Old Dominion will see glory again!”

    The Fourteenth and its ratcheting incorporation is here to stay, Colonel Angus. No amount of sloppy tongue-wagging nostalgia about the 19th Century or the 1920s is going to change that. Maybe the first clauses of the first and second sections (birthright citizenship and census of “whole number of persons” per state) could be repealed/amended (slim chance).

    But the rest of it ain’t going nowhere, because most everyone likes the rest—myself included: I want the Bill of Rights to be applied equally to all citizens, regardless of race, in all states. I may be a RealRacist™ like Everyone else is, but I’m also against having separate official tiers of law-abiding adult citizenship. Regarding the Bill of Rights, I want all of the United States to be on the same page—erring, if need be—on the side of individual liberty. Both incorporation and Privileges or Immunities are established frameworks for enforcing that.

    The “incorporation doctrine” is pretty new. We got along fine without it for 150 years. And this incorporation is suspiciously “selective”. Why did it take almost 90 years before it was applied to the Second?

    “Pretty new.” Whoa. I think Jack Hanson could be wrong about you …

    You’re not a “boomer,” you really are the last living soldier of the Confederate Army! I doff my cap, good Colonel, to an eminence of such longevity. Your stubborn antiquarianism has got one uppity Mr. Tallahassee Coates beat by a mile—he’s still sore at FDR for running over his foot with an invalid’s wheeled conveyance!

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    , @Reg Cæsar
  256. Boethiuss says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    ….and that’s why Jack’s pounding you raw in the annuity……

    Oh, now I get it. That’s what the reverse mortgage thing is really about.

  257. @Boethiuss

    Reg is an OCD fiend for puns so I obliged with some on-topical unguent.

  258. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I brought up black crime (“13/50”) as an example all RealRacists™ can cite as part of a justifiably racist stance

    Okay, but Jared Taylor’s book came out in 1992, and The Bell Curve not long after. You’re not suggesting anything new.

    I want the Bill of Rights to be applied equally to all citizens, regardless of race, in all states. I may be a RealRacist™ like Everyone else is, but I’m also against having separate official tiers of law-abiding adult citizenship. Regarding the Bill of Rights, I want all of the United States to be on the same page—erring, if need be—on the side of individual liberty

    So you think blacks should be allowed to buy guns, but nine out of ten blacks don’t. You have more confidence in them than they do!

    But you still cling to tu quoque DR3

    There is more than one way to utilize this “DR3” nonsense. One, the usual one, is that “racism” is wrong. I have never said anything here in support of that; you fellows are just assuming.

    Another way is that “racism” is right. Urban Democrats and their police forces want to kick in ghetto doors and rifle through drawers and seize any guns they may find– and blacks think they’re not doing it fast enough. Who are you or I to disagree? They know their constituency. This is “common sense gun control”.

    I think Jack Hanson could be wrong about you

    Hanson’s hip-hop wigger manners suggest he’s the product of public schools and a fatherless home– or an SPLC troll.

    you really are the last living soldier of the Confederate Army!

    My ancestors served on the Union side. Everything they fought for has been betrayed.

  259. @Reg Cæsar

    Okay, but Jared Taylor’s book came out in 1992, and The Bell Curve not long after. You’re not suggesting anything new.

    Right. The information isn’t new, but the messengers are relatively weak/obscure. I wrote that “powerful mainstream whites with balls” would have real impact on public discourse. Powerful = commonly known, big measurable daily audience, and hard to deplatform. That doesn’t apply to your examples.

    So you think blacks should be allowed to buy guns …

    Law-abiding blacks, yes. They exist.

    … but nine out of ten blacks don’t. You have more confidence in them than they do!

    You made a similar omission earlier. Significantly, the anti-gun blacks (and allies) are agitating against gun ownership for all, including whites. You’re bizarrely pretending these blacks are saying only blacks should not have guns. No serious person of any race is pushing for statutory gun restrictions only for blacks. Because it’s completely unrealistic.

    Urban Democrats and their police forces want to kick in ghetto doors and rifle through drawers and seize any guns they may find– and blacks think they’re not doing it fast enough.

    That isn’t quite accurate. It’s true that most urban police forces would love to be let off the chain and ignore the Fourth Amendment, but “Urban Democrats” ? No way. They are crybabies who want it both ways: “The Police Need to Stop Crime!” and “The Police are Killing Our Men and Boys!” So part of their abdication of responsibility is to blame guns at the point of sale: not only guns legally sold locally—but everywhere in the US.

    This is “common sense gun control”.

    What, “Kicking in ghetto doors and rifling through drawers”? Better have a damn good search warrant. 4A backed by your nemesis the 14th is gonna bite the city in the ass when li’l baby Jameel is permanently blinded and deafened by a flash-bang. Next up, fun riots and a huge ghetto lottery payout.

    In my view, there really isn’t practical “gun control” in a recognizably American context. There are just people; most have self control and some are out of control—until they run into a kinetic force that stops them. You and I may notice some recurring characteristics common to the out-of-controls, but under our Constitution we can’t pre-crime citizens based on race. When they pop off, they can be dealt with. Mostly they ‘deal’ with each other. It’s all good in the hood.

    My ancestors served on the Union side. Everything they fought for has been betrayed.

    Certainly betrayed if you’re willing to toss the 14th, yeah. But if we’re going to have a Union, and not a bunch of schizo squabbling States, we’ll have to enforce the universal application of basic rights and principles. Mind you, this will create conflict because there are powers out there that want to bring back slavery to America.

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  260. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You’re bizarrely pretending these blacks are saying only blacks should not have guns.

    No, I’m recognizing the fact that everyday life in the ‘hood is a primary driver of calls for restriction. Why then would (relatively) conservative Republicans like Henry Hyde, Rudolph Giuliani, and Chris Christie warm to gun control, while Hubert Humphrey and especially Frank Church touted the right to keep and bear arms? Because the former live(d) in or near ghettos, and the latter in lily-white states.

    Think of it this way: do you trust your near neighbors with weapons? It depends on who those neighbors are.

    No serious person of any race is pushing for statutory gun restrictions only for blacks. Because it’s completely unrealistic.

    Exactly. It’s politically unrealistic, but it’s the closest thing to a policy based on ethnographic realism. So the two realisms are at odds. Because the underlying demography is nuts.

    Law-abiding blacks, yes. They exist.

    I have no problem with recognizing the rights of the one or two percent of blacks who recognize my rights. South Africa once ruled that Japanese were “honorary whites”.

    So part of their abdication of responsibility is to blame guns at the point of sale: not only guns legally sold locally—but everywhere in the US.

    Thanks to the Fourteenth.

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  261. Lot says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Japan has much higher debt to GDP and has no trouble selling 30 year bonds below 1% and 10 years for 0%.

  262. @Reg Cæsar

    No, I’m recognizing the fact that everyday life in the ‘hood is a primary driver of calls for restriction.

    Why then would (relatively) conservative Republicans like Henry Hyde, Rudolph Giuliani, and Chris Christie warm to gun control, while Hubert Humphrey and especially Frank Church touted the right to keep and bear arms?

    The former live(d) in blue areas of blue states and wanted to win general elections. Non-rural blue-oriented whites are scared of guns in general. E.g., look at the large crowd shots from the “March For Our Lives” in DC and other cities—the sea of bussed-in whites are middle-class and higher and don’t live anywhere near the ‘hood. Because it wasn’t about blacks.

    Similarly, Humphrey and Church perhaps had to tack pro-gun to be able to be elected as a ‘Democrat’ on other issues, because of mixed constituency. In Church’s case, maybe he also had unspoken leftist concerns about future generations to needing to resist a future tyrannical right-wing government? There are multiple reasons why people support or don’t support gun control. It isn’t all about blacks.

    Look at the recent debacle in ‘lily white’ Vermont: The Republican(!) governor signed into law mag restrictions and other gun control measures in a panic about a foiled potential school shooting in which the defendant bought a pump-action shotgun and had made threats (but was ultimately released by a judge as the case fell apart). No blacks involved.

    Think of it this way: do you trust your near neighbors with weapons? It depends on who those neighbors are.

    A better mindset: Do you trust yourself with weapons? (You’ve been a good boy, right, Reg? 😉 ) If so, you can take the liberty of not having to trust anyone else. I’m not saying be paranoid, just be evidence-based. If your neighbors are untrustworthy, guns or no guns, they are still dangerous. So 2A and the 14th are your good buddies if you must live among ferals.

    but it’s the closest thing to a policy based on ethnographic realism

    A much better policy, which is also based on ethnographic realism:

    Robust recognition of rights combined with hammer-down law enforcement and/or other consequences if those rights are abused.

    One example of “other consequences” is Stand Your Ground laws. The more that American public life comes under constant video hyper-surveillance, the less likely anyone will be able to make a case that Dontrell Rapsheet was unjustifiably dropped by Joe Citizen in the Circle K parking lot.

    I have no problem with recognizing the rights of the one or two percent of blacks who recognize my rights.

    That’s adorably feisty, and it’s neither here nor there. If you’re to have any rights, you’ll have the share them with the all the blecks.

    South Africa once ruled …

    Indeed.

    Thanks to the Fourteenth.

    Huh? Those “Urban Democrats” should be more pissed about the Fourteenth than you are. See: McDonald v. Chicago.

    Are you a Democrat whose #1 issue is blacks having guns? Sheeeeiiit. Jim Crow isn’t coming back, so you might as well go with the gun rights flow, get strapped if you aren’t already, and let nature take its course. It’s what any honest, all-American RealRacist™ would do. Feels good, man.

  263. Because it wasn’t about blacks.

    No, sometimes it’s about mental cases. Segregation helps there, too.

    If you’re to have any rights, you’ll have the share them with the all the blecks.

    Tell that to the DNC platform committee.

    No, I’m a lifelong boycotter and observer of the party who likes to point out and leverage their contradictions. (Eg, the worst thing whites are doing to blacks is forcing them to compete with low-wage immigrants. That point won’t win many black votes, but would give swing whites something to consider.)

    I’m not taking a stand, except to not* take a stand. Force the opponent to. Whites can be trusted with responsible possession of firearms (nobody really believes otherwise), so either a) nonwhites can too, or b) nonwhites are nonequal. C’mon, pony up an answer.

    This won’t change the professional Democrat’s mind– it doesn’t have to; they already know the truth, but choose to lie about it– but it will soften up the swinging center to other incremental appeals. That’s where progress is made, and elections won.

    *You know I’m serious if I allow a split infinitive through.

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  264. @Reg Cæsar

    I’m not taking a stand

    You can take a stand here, Reg. YOLO! You’re anonymous. If you’re afraid of future doxxing, point to your puns and say it was all a joke. 😉

    Whites can be trusted with responsible possession of firearms (nobody really believes otherwise)

    You left some cryptic cavernous wriggle room: “Responsible” can mean anything. Take a stand! What is responsible possession? Assuming only for whites: The laws of Montana? California? The UK? Are you anti-2A? (Relax, I won’t bite your face off if yes—I can agree to disagree. 🙂 )

  265. Are you anti-2A?

    I’m pro-common law. Problem is, that’s Anglo-Saxon common law. Our new overlords will not be. Look at California. Look at Chicago.

    The men who wrote and ratified the Second Amendment held no illusions about interchangeability. That’s bound to backfire.

    “Militia” was explicitly defined in law as “free white men”. What is AOC? Kamala?

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  266. @Reg Cæsar

    I’m pro-common law. Problem is, that’s Anglo-Saxon common law. Our new overlords will not be. Look at California. Look at Chicago.

    Ah. Well in that case it seems I’m more optimistic than you, or at least a bit more accepting of potential chaos. Hengist and Horsa may be long gone, but so long as there are plenty of seaxes available—law or no law—the future is up for grabs.

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  267. @Reg Cæsar

    You really are annuity-devastated by me.

  268. @Boethiuss

    We will make a white man outta you yet.

  269. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I appreciate your work dealing with our boomer friend. He tried and tried but couldn’t lay a paw on you.

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