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One of my long-running themes is that the American Establishment’s Russophobia in this decade is related to American Jews’ traditional anti-Czarism. They see Putin, much as I suspect Putin sees himself, as a neo-Czar, and assume he must therefore be anti-Semitic (which Putin strongly rejects). Therefore, we need a neo-Cold War against the neo-Czar.

Living in my native San Fernando Valley, however, with the huge number of Israelis, Russians, and Ukrainians who have arrived over the last 30 to 40 years, everything seems more complicated and blurrier. The Valley is full of people who are kind of Israeli, kind of Russian, and/or kind of Ukrainian, so the American Establishment’s assumption that the great struggle of our time is against the anti-Semitic neo-Czarists seems silly. Practically nobody in Israel sees it that way.

For example, I was just now looking up on Wikipedia the biography of General Benny Gantz, the left candidate against Bibi Netanyahu in Israel’s interminable series of elections. Of course, “left” is relative when it comes to Israel, which is now such a right wing country that Gantz’s campaign ads feature a tribute to his greatest war crimes against the Palestinians of the Gaza Strip:

‘Parts of Gaza sent back to Stone Age’: Gantz videos laud his IDF bona fides

So General Gantz is no squish. My impression from looking at a lot of pictures of Gantz is that he reminds me of an executive I knew during my corporate career who looked like a nice guy, and most of the time he was, but who was absolutely ruthless about doing what was best for the bottom line.

Therefore, I was struck by this paragraph in his rather brief biography on English-language Wikipedia:

Business career

Gantz was the chairman of the Fifth Dimension, a computer security and law enforcement technology company, which specialized in tracking via smartphone spyware.[23]

My impression since Carl Cannon’s spiked 2001 Fox News series has been that the Israeli Deep State specializes in encouraging friendly capitalists to invest in software companies that can spy on people in the rest of the world through their telephones.

The company closed due to financial reasons, after its Russian investor Viktor Vekselberg was sanctioned under CAATSA by the United States during the Special Counsel investigation into Russian attempts to interfere with the US election, led by Robert Mueller.[24][25]

And who is Gantz’s pal Viktor Vekselberg?

Well, he’s another one of these blurry Russian, Jewish, and Ukrainian characters. From Wikipedia:

Viktor Felixovich Vekselberg (Russian: Виктор Феликсович Вексельберг, Ukrainian: Віктор Феліксович Вексельберг; born 14 April 1957) is a Russian businessman. He is the owner and president of Renova Group, a Russian conglomerate. According to Forbes, as of October 2019, his fortune is estimated at $11.4 billion, making him the 119th richest person in the world.[1]

Vekselberg is close to the Kremlin,[3][4] overseeing projects to modernize the Russian economy.[5] In April 2018, the United States imposed sanctions on him and 23 other Russian nationals. On May 9, 2018, CNN reported that investigators from the Special Counsel investigation have questioned Vekselberg about hundreds of thousands of dollars in payments his company’s US affiliate made to US President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen.[6][7] …

Viktor Vekselberg was born in 1957 to a Ukrainian-Jewish father and a Russian mother[8][9] in Drohobych, Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (although some reports state that he was born in Lviv).[10] …

Vekselberg is the single largest owner of Fabergé eggs in the world, owning fifteen of them (nine Imperial, two Kelch, and four other Fabergé eggs). …

In September 2006, Vekselberg agreed to pay approximately $1 million in expenses to transport the Lowell House Bells from Harvard University in the United States back to their original location in the Danilov Monastery and to purchase replacement bells. …

Vekselberg is a longtime friend and business partner of British-American billionaire and major Republican Party donor Leonard Blavatnik,[31] who is close to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.[32] …

He donated $4.5 million to the construction of the $50 million Jewish Museum and Tolerance Center in Moscow, and is the chairman of the museum’s board of trustees.[26][27] He finances the restoration and construction of synagogues in Russia, including the construction of the Choral Synagogue in Saratov.[28]

He is married to Marina and has two children, a daughter and a son.[29] His father is Jewish, and his mother Christian. He identifies himself as multi-national and does not attend weekly synagogue or church services.[30]

Vekselberg is one of many Russian “oligarchs” named in the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act, CAATSA, signed into law by President Donald Trump in 2017.[38] …

A cybersecurity startup company associated with Israeli Prime Minister candidate, Benny Gantz, closed due to funds that the U.S. had frozen belonging to the subject who was an investor in Gantz’s tech company, The Fifth Dimension and who was caught up in the Mueller probe of Stormy Daniel’s payoff by former Trump lawyer, Michael Cohen, who had developed close ties with the subject.[42]

Okay, admittedly, I have no clue how to make sense of this complex web of friendships and enmities, but Vekselberg is clearly a guy who knows a lot of guys.

Anyway, my point is that the world does not actually appear to be divided up into the irreconcilably anti-Semitic bloc of Russia and Iran and the pro-Semitic Free World led by America and Israel. In reality, there are all sorts of talented and energetic people who float in-between.

And that’s good news, assuming we Americans aren’t too stupid to notice.

 
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  1. IHTG says:

    In Israel, people entirely ignore Fifth Dimension’s Russian connections. Instead, the right-wing talking point is that the company may have improperly obtained taxpayer money in a contract with the Israeli Police. (Not a very effective talking point because Netanyahu can hardly beat Gantz on lack of corruption.)

    Also that it went bankrupt, thus proving Gantz’s lack of business savvy.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  2. “In reality, there are all sorts of talented and energetic people who float in-between.
    And that’s good news, assuming we Americans aren’t too stupid to notice.”

    Sort of like fair weather allies?

  3. Of course, “left” is relative when it comes to Israel, which is now such a right wing country that Gantz’s campaign ads feature a tribute to his greatest war crimes against the Palestinians of the Gaza Strip:

    Huh? I don’t agree with this definition of “left” vs. “right” here. The right, in America, was pro-military during the Cold War, while the “left” was anti- anything that was tough on their beloved Commies. The Cold War is long over. It’s nothing like that now. The left and right are equally on-board with invade-the-world. Before WWII there was not this definition of being pro-war as “right wing” by any means, either.

    Why are the hard-line militarists in Israel considered “the right”? That whole country is pretty hard-left when it comes to their government.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @sayless
  4. Meant to add – I’ve got no problem with your main point here:

    Anyway, my point is that the world does not actually appear to be divided up into the irreconcilably anti-Semitic bloc of Russia and Iran and the pro-Semitic Free World led by America and Israel. In reality, there are all sorts of talented and energetic people who float in-between.

    And that’s good news, assuming we Americans aren’t too stupid to notice.

    I think lots of Americans are getting the general point that the pro-war sentiments being stirred up are bogus. The Cold War ended over 3 decades ago. Anyone under 35 who’s not a neo-con has got to wonder what this Russian-hatred is even about.

    • Replies: @Antiwar7
    , @Hypnotoad666
  5. Art Deco says:

    One of my long-running themes is that the American Establishment’s Russophobia in this decade is related to American Jews’ traditional anti-Czarism. They see Putin, much as I suspect Putin sees himself, as a neo-Czar, and assume he must therefore be anti-Semitic (which Putin strongly rejects). Therefore, we need a neo-Cold War against the neo-Czar.

    This is contrived. This year’s Russophobia is a con job that knuckleheads in the Democratic base swallow due to their emotional commitments. An ordinary aversion to Russia is readily explicable not by Jewish mind-tricks but by the reality of Russia: a cold and strange place with a history of institutionalized cruelty that is second-to-none in Christendom (at least if one inspects just the last 300 years).

  6. BB753 says:

    According to the UN and the “International Community ™” there are only two kinds of countries: Israel and the rest. For Israel can basically get away with anything, and the rest can’t. That country has become the den of all iniquities, where money-laundering, human trafficking, spying, meddling in foreign affairs and elections, genocide, warmongering, etc are fair game. And to top that list, they have illegal nukes. I get that they are surrounded by unsavory neighbors but Israel needs to clean up its act.

  7. BB753 says:
    @Art Deco

    A cold and strange place with no Gay Parades, rampant blue-haired feminists, mandatory trans kids, with national pride, independent from the globalist New Order and unafraid of the UN and NATO, and Christian values. I know it hurts..

    • Replies: @216
  8. fnn says:

    Then back in Ukraine, you have the Jewish-funded nazis of the Azov Battalion. From Algemeiner.com: “Among those going into battle from the Ukrainian side are some 500 trained fighters in the self-declared Azov battalion, backed by Jewish energy magnate and Dnipropetrovsk region governor, Igor Kolomoisky, according to Israel’s Ma’ariv daily.” Greg Johnson reportedly spoke to the Azovites on a trip to Ukraine. Ukraine is the one place in the world where neo-nazism is “OK” with the State Dept and ADL.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  9. slumber_j says:

    I’d never before known that the Lowell House bells were from the Danilov Monastery–saved from Soviet depredation through the intervention of plumbing heir (and alleged anti-Semite, and certain lover of the Arabs) Charles Crane:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danilov_Monastery#Bells

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Richard_Crane#Allegations_of_Anti-Semitism

    Strange that neither my wife nor I–both Harvard graduates and children of Harvard graduates–had never heard about this. I guess a contributing factor might be the fact that Soviet depredation wasn’t exactly a favorite topic of conversation in and around the Harvard of the 1980s.

  10. My impression since Carl Cannon’s….

    I think it’s Carl Cameron? (Minor matter)

  11. Putin has previously stated that the early soviet government was dominated by jews which is one of the biggest no-nos there is for discussion topics.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/putin-first-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish/

  12. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    This is contrived.

    It is not.

    An ordinary aversion to Russia is readily explicable not by Jewish mind-tricks but by the reality of Russia: a cold and strange place with a history of institutionalized cruelty that is second-to-none in Christendom (at least if one inspects just the last 300 years).

    And one that is completely foreign to most traditional Americans. Americans are an insular people who don’t fret about the strange ways of other peoples. Russia, and other parts of eastern Europe are however familiar, if only in family history, to a subset of Americans who still seem to bear a grudge about how there ancestors were treated there (or how they imagine they were treated there).

  13. Mr. Anon says:

    My impression since Carl Cannon’s spiked 2001 Fox News series has been that the Israeli Deep State specializes in encouraging friendly capitalists to invest in software companies that can spy on people in the rest of the world through their telephones.

    They have been doing so since the 1980s at least, and continue to do so.

  14. Jews hate Russia mainly because Russia is unapologetically white. True, the history also counts for something, but back here in the present day, they especially hate Putin because he has reined in some of the oligarchs’ worst excesses.

    Granted, there’s a bit of late locking of the barn door aspect to that, but the real question is what happens when Putin’s gone. And that, frankly, should worry all of us.

  15. Ano says:

    … looked like a nice guy…but who was absolutely ruthless about doing what was best for the bottom line….

    Sort of like how Israeli Prime Ministers look like nice guys (or ladies – Golda Meir) but who are absolutely ruthless about doing what was best for Israel?

    Possibly I think Palestinians less fear General Gantz putting spyware in their phones, and more Shin Bet putting plastic explosives in their phones.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahya_Ayyash#Assassination

    PS: Can we have a Benny and the Gantz Elton John parody song please? Thank you.

  16. anon[136] • Disclaimer says:

    Carl Cannon’s spiked 2001 Fox News series

    Anybody got any more info on that?

    I’ve seen conspiracy theory types pushing the same line in the last year or so; interesting to discover, as ever, that the wacky and out-there has already appeared, or nearly appeared, in mainstream media, without occasioning comment or censure at all.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  17. WJ says:

    Are you referring to Carl Cameron, whose “Dancing Israelis “story was spiked? My apologies if this is in reference to another story.

  18. @Art Deco

    “a history of institutionalized cruelty that is second-to-none in Christendom”

    And yet the more you look at the cruel oppressions of the Tsars, the more tolerant they seem and the worse the avowedly anti-Christian Bolsheviks were.

    And it’s not as if the Tsars didn’t have real enemies. Leftists were committing murder and robbery all over the place in the 19th century, and killed Alexander II, who’d freed the serfs.

  19. I’m not sure why you would consider this a good thing. It seems to me like the Unholy Alliance between Woke Capital and intelligence agencies is too byzantine for ordinary people to follow, but it always brings with it a vague sense that the elites are out of touch and slowly plunging the world into disaster by corrupting the institutions of society to serve as surrogate organs for their weird world-improvement schemes. There is a precedent for such doings, which is aptly illustrated by Russia’s inglorious century following the Peace of Vienna.

  20. Sean says:

    Anyway, my point is that the world does not actually appear to be divided up into the irreconcilably anti-Semitic bloc of Russia and Iran and the pro-Semitic Free World led by America and Israel. In reality, there are all sorts of talented and energetic people who float in-between.

    There are Russian/ Ukrainian and Israel Jews who made a lot of money in in the former Soviet Union, but it is now somewhere to take your money out of in order to invest in property, art and maybe some tech ventures.

    As retired Gen. Robert Spalding explains quite well in corporate and financial circles as well as among super rich wheeler dealers, received wisdom is the money is and will increasingly be being made in China and investments there are what American billionaires (relatively many of whom are Jewish) are upset about Trump ruining.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/01/who-poses-a-greater-threat-to-the-west-china-or-russia/

    Beijing has been the beneficiary of liberal revulsion at the Trump presidency: if the Donald is against the Chinese, who cannot be for them? As a result, Trump’s efforts to address China’s unfair trade practices have so far missed the mark with the domestic and international audience. As Trump declares war on free trade, China — one of the most protectionist economies in the world — is now celebrated at Davos as the avatar of free trade. Later this month, China’s Vice-President is likely to be in attendance at Davos — and there is even talk of him meeting with Trump. Similarly, the messiness of American politics has made China’s one-party state an apparent poster boy of political stability and governability.

    So China is playing a long game. By the time the easily diverted West finds itself in open conflict with Beijing, we will have lost our relative advantage

    The Chinese de industrialised countries foolish enough to play fair with them, then sell those countries the Fentanyl so the now pauperised workers can kill themselves. Talented, energetic and RICH people want to get richer, and so it is hands off China, and portray Trump as a tool of Russia the traditional enemy of the Deep State

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    , @anon
  21. Anon[172] • Disclaimer says:

    Gantz looks like the quintessential older Irishman you’d see at a Boston area Hibernian club. He reminds me of the Boston-born mick JCS Gen. Joseph Dunford.

  22. yeah, but they all want the land that working class whites currently occupy.

  23. slumber_j says:
    @slumber_j

    p.s.

    Carl Cannon’s spiked 2001 Fox News series

    Carl Cameron, no?

    And for “neither […] never” in my previous comment, read “neither […] ever”.

  24. Epigon says:
    @Art Deco

    by the reality of Russia: a cold and strange place with a history of institutionalized cruelty that is second-to-none in Christendom (at least if one inspects just the last 300 years).

    Imagine being this ignorant.

  25. Gantz was the chairman of the Fifth Dimension, a computer security and law enforcement technology company, which specialized in tracking via smartphone spyware…

    the subject who was an investor in Gantz’s tech company, The Fifth Dimension and who was caught up in the Mueller probe

    Let the sunshine in!

    And that’s good news, assuming we Americans aren’t too stupid to notice.

    Can we awaken from our stoned soul picnic in time to save the country?

  26. One of my long-running themes is that the American Establishment’s Russophobia in this decade is related to American Jews’ traditional anti-Czarism.

    I agree but I’d say that’s only half the story. The other half of what Ezra Pound called Yankee-Judea also has a long tradition of detesting and fearing Russia. Like American Jews, they too see Russia as one of the last holdouts of benighted, priest-ridden and despotic Old Europe. That’s likely one reason why the onion domes of St. Basil’s Cathedral are so often used by the NYT, Atlantic and New Yorker illustrators. They give the willies to upmarket Jews and Unitarians alike.

    For them, Putin is, at best, another de Gaulle: another vain leader from the Old World who doesn’t get that America calls the shots now. When it comes to Russia, the tribal instincts and prejudices of these Chautauqua-Americans meshes nicely with those of Jewish-Americans.

  27. @Sean

    The Chinese de industrialised countries foolish enough to play fair with them, then sell those countries the Fentanyl so the now pauperised workers can kill themselves.

    That would be true even without the outsourcing and offshoring that Western corporatists have practised regarding China. The End Game is predictable. Once technology transfer is complete, Chinese-owned factories will quickly overwhelm foreign-owned ones, and the latter will fail or be sold at a pittance.

  28. @Art Deco

    The fact that the Russians are (more-or-less) white and Christian has something to do with it. In civilizational terms, they are the “near enemy”, particularly since Germany is out of the running.

    • Replies: @216
  29. Paul says:

    It seems to me that the American Jewish establishment very much dislikes Russian involvement in the Middle East, seeing it as detrimental to Israel’s interests. China, on the other hand, is seen as an opportunity to make money — cheap labor and such.

    • Replies: @TheBoom
  30. Thea says:

    Quite a few secular Jews married irreligious Russians during the Soviet years. Their offspring grew to be mostly secular and mainstream Russian in lifestyle. Like many Russians. They needed a place to go when things collapsed in the 1990s. Israel welcomed them as Jews although many still admit privately to not considering themselves as such.

    Entire neighborhoods in Tel Aviv are populated by them and their Israeli families. They speak mostly Russians but also Often they speak English. Only rarely Hebrew.

    They appear to be a large and somewhat new influential population in Israel.

  31. Thea says:
    @slumber_j

    The movie Andrei Rublev includes a fabulous bell making scene. The director recreated a 15th century village cons together under the tutelage of the inexperienced son of the previous bell maker. His father died before imparting knowledge to him but this doesn’t dampen his boasts.

    If the young Boris gets it wrong, it will cost him his life as the Boyar who paid dearly for it is not the forgiving sort.

    Highly recommended.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    , @Kibernetika
  32. Anon[408] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Putin does not see himself as a czar. He has repeatedly said his hero is Stolypin, thenfirsnPrime Minister ofnRussia, assasinated by Bolsheviks.

  33. Anon[334] • Disclaimer says:

    Ann Coulter disputes that L.A. Times article about U.C. Berkeley getting their free speech security act together. She implies she brought her own security.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1198508499757654016

  34. Jack D says:

    American Establishment’s Russophobia in this decade is related to American Jews’ traditional anti-Czarism.

    This really doesn’t tell the whole story. The Czar has been dead for a century. Although the early Communist movement included a lot of Jews, Stalin turned anti-Semitic toward the end of his life and from that point forward the Soviet Union was anti-Semitic until its last days. There is still a small but significant segment of the Russian population that remains anti-Semitic.

    Putin himself doesn’t appear to be anti-Semitic. He was personally close to a number of Jews growing up, in particular his judo coach whom he regarded as a father figure. But it is possible to dislike Putin for reasons (his dictatorial ways, his corruption) that have nothing to do with his like or dislike for Jews. In that sense he is like Trump, who is also clearly not anti-Semitic but is nevertheless dislike by Jews for other reasons. Such hated figures are often assumed to be anti-Semitic even if they aren’t, since to a lot of modern American Jews (not unlike a lot of modern anti-Semites) Liberalism and Judaism are roughly synonymous.

  35. Exile says:
    @Art Deco

    For most of the last 100 years, Russia’s “Christendom” cruelty was largely engineered and directed by revolutionary atheist Jews who did everything they could to destroy Russia’s institutions (including traditional art & culture, monarchy, aristocracy & Orthodoxy).

    The history of my Irish ancestors is no less cold, cruel or strange than that of my Russian ancestors. “Russian cruelty” is part of the “American exceptionalism” narrative, and of the same (((provenance))).

    • Replies: @Jack D
  36. anon[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    I’m not sure where you get this notion that billionaires and the Deep State aren’t hostile to China:

    “George Soros Declares Cold War on China”
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/george-soros-declares-cold-war-on-china_2801291.html

    The Deep State has been promoting opponents of the Chinese regime among minorities like the Uighurs and Hong Kong liberals and democrats, and publicizing their causes. It also supports opposition to governments that are friendly to the Chinese regime, like the former government of Bolivia under Morales.

    China’s state led investments abroad under the “Belt and Road” threaten US billionaire investments because commodities, infrastructure, and assets become controlled by the local and Chinese government, rather than privatized for US investment income.

    Soros et al and the Deep State don’t like Trump’s style and prefer a subtler approach, and they’re wary of Trump’s lack of discipline and dealmaking.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  37. Netanyahu seemed invincible just a few months ago. And now he fights to stay out of jail. Talk about the wheel of fortune….

  38. Dmitry says:

    He is an important businessman in Ekaterinburg. Half of projects in the city – if you uncover a little – and it leads to something related to him.

    An annoying possible recent behaviour, was that he possibly has changed the results of the competition to rename the airport.

    There was a competition for the name of Koltsovo airport. Pavel Bazhov was winning by 4% until the last day, when the results mysteriously reversed to Demidov (who was only in 3rd position before), and who has no relationship to the city itself, but was the choice of Vekselberg (who owns the airport), who wants to focus branding on metal mining and metallurgy.

    That said, I doubt he has any influence outside Russia.

    These people like him are desperately trying to “become friends” with leaders in the West, because they think it can help them to avoid Western sanctions (while in reality, it just encouraged the conspiracy theory about Russia influencing American politics).

    Another funny example are pro-Western Alfa-Group – they try to show the West that they are not friendly with Putin, while they created the job for his oldest daughter (who leads their endocrinology charity fund)..

    As for the topic of Jews. The current Russian government is extremely philosemitic. However, Jewish demographics began an irreversible process of collapse in Russia a long time ago (Jews are “swallowed” by marriage, loss of different culture, low birth rates and emigration to Israel of thousands of youth each year).

  39. J.Ross says:

    I don’t see a contradiction between instinctive Jewish revulsion regarding Russia and Jews often finding themselves in the horrible position of having to work for an enemy, or between some Jews seeing Russia as The Dev Ull and some seeing it as a backward exploitable developing country (full of devils). Jews after all are not monolithic, and most of the comical Russia hate comes from people like Craig Mazin, Masha Gessen, or that one State Department twerp who frequently serves as an “expert” on news shows — bureaucrats, academics, journalists, and entertainers, none of whom, I am guessing, have notable collections of Tsarist treasures, or a position advising the development of the Russian economy. What if they did: wouldn’t their position modify? Isn’t this just the obverse of the nominally anti-Semitic Russian changing his tune when the Jew in question has a billion dollars? But the hate is neither absolved nor forgotten.

  40. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    One of my long-running themes is that the American Establishment’s Russophobia in this decade is related to American Jews’ traditional anti-Czarism. They see Putin, much as I suspect Putin sees himself, as a neo-Czar, and assume he must therefore be anti-Semitic (which Putin strongly rejects).

    Nyet. That was then, this is now. The problem now is that Jews see themselves as the hyper-czar of the entire world. Jews are no longer thinking of survival or equality. They are addicted to supremacy. They see Russia as an obstacle not because Putin is anti-Jewish — he isn’t — but because he restrained Jewish oligarchs, said no to globo-homo, and came to aid of Arab/Muslim nations targeted by Israel and Yinon-ists.

    Just like Jews were once limited to the Pale of Settlement, Jewish Power is trying to limit Russia’s influence by hemming it in from all sides.

    Of course, Jews are loathe to publicly admit what they’re really up to, and so, they resort to old narratives about Bad Ole Russia. But it’s really about the future, not the past. Russia thwarted a total Jewish takeover of the nation. Now, why should this matter to Jews since Putin has been protective of Jews? Because Jews want supremacist power over all.

    Of course, even as Jews in America blast Russia, Jews in Israel pretend to be friendly. Good cop, Bad cop. Oldest trick in the book.

    Jews had some of the worst experience with Cossacks in Ukraine long ago but they are now gamely allied with quasi-nazi elements there against Russia. Anything for the future.

    Whenever Jews seek to justify their grab for the Future, they invoke some injustice in the Past. Just a switcheroo trick.

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  41. Worth watching.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  42. El Dato says:

    OT, but is anyone already taking bets whether there will a “popular uprising” and some affirmatively actioned “yearning for democracy” coming out of the US embassy in Germany?

    ‘We did not boycott US firms during NSA scandal’: German minister defends move to include Huawei in country’s 5G network

    That said, the minister’s comments infuriated US Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell, who has been one of the most strident voices pushing Berlin to exile Huawei from its networks. The diplomatic mission issued a vague but menacing statement on Monday reminding that the thousands of American troops stationed in Germany are liable to take offense at such careless talk.

    “The recent claims by senior German officials that the United States is equivalent to the Chinese Communist Party are an insult to the thousands of American troops who help ensure Germany’s security,” Grenell said in the statement.

    Yeah, it’s never a good idea for peons to have their security assured by easily insulted people. Falling downstairs, drive-by-shootings and other trouble may ensue.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  43. Isn’t there something in the Old Testament about not forgetting, but forgiveness comes first?

  44. Vekselberg is one of many Russian “oligarchs” named in the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act, CAATSA, signed into law by President Donald Trump in 2017.
    – – – – –

    Is CAATSA one of those law-names where the acronym came first, and the official name was thought up later? See
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katsa
    “If selected, a [katsa] candidate must go through and pass the Mossad training academy, the Midrasha, located near the town of Herzliya. The Mossad academy is the official summer residence of the Israeli Prime Minister.”
    Why would the Israeli Prime Minister have an official summer residence? Isn’t the summer and winter climate the same anywhere in Israel?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  45. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @anon

    Soros is a bit of an outlier when it comes to this. I don’t like his politics at all, but he’s pretty consistent, funding similar causes globally. Bloomberg’s pro-China position is probably more typical among elites.

    I haven’t seen anyone else make this point, but Trump’s tariffs on China seem to have broken the ice re criticism of China. You hear a lot more of it now than before he implemented them.

  46. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Anatoly Karlin visited that Jewish Museum in Moscow and wrote a post about it.

  47. Jack D says:
    @Exile

    For most of the last 100 years, Russia’s “Christendom” cruelty was largely engineered and directed by revolutionary atheist Jews who did everything they could to destroy Russia’s institutions (including traditional art & culture, monarchy, aristocracy & Orthodoxy).

    You are maybe 20% right and 80% wrong. For the first 3rd of that period, revolutionary atheist Jews were certainly influential in Communist Russia (although it is an overstatement to say that it was largely engineered and directed by them – Stalin wasn’t Jewish, Lenin wasn’t Jewish, Beria wasn’t Jewish and so on). Not only did these revolutionary atheists destroy traditional Russian Orthodox institutions, they also destroyed traditional Jewish ones as well. But many of the (Jewish and non-Jewish) Old Bolsheviks were taken down in the Great Purges of 1930s and their replacements were decided less Jewish.

    By the time of the Doctor’s “Plot” (1952) Stalin turned against the Jews and only his death prevented an even greater purge. And after Stalin’s death, Russia reverted largely to traditional Russian anti-Semitism. The only Jews left in the Soviet government were pro-Stalin (since he had purged anyone with the slightest anti-Stalin leaning) and when the Stalinists were ousted, that was the end of them. There were few Jews in the new generation of Russian Communists. The existence of Israel made the Soviet state question the loyalty of the Jews and Israel was in conflict with Russia’s Arab allies. So for the latter half of the Soviet period (1952 to 1989) Jews had essentially zero influence in the Soviet government and were singled out for active discrimination.

    This is a far cry from your version of history where Jews ran Russia for the last 100 years.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @peterike
  48. @slumber_j

    In May 2006 I saw the bells in Lowell as part of an “Arts Walk.” They’re wicked huge and were covered in a pale green patina. The views from Lowell tower lower wrap-around balcony are great. Almost got accidentally locked outside while taking pics—no cell phone on me. Would’ve sucked if the hour arrived and someone ‘hit the bong.’

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    , @Reg Cæsar
  49. JamesD says:

    Israel lost to Hezbollah in 2006. Israel and the US create ISIS to overthrow Assad. Russia backs Assad. The US through (((Nuland))) and (((Soros))) start a revolution in Ukraine to gain leverage over Russia. Russia checkmates them by taking over Crimea. And that’s where we are at today. And its also why people are very nervous about investigations into Ukraine.

    • LOL: IHTG
  50. Jack D says:
    @El Dato

    OT, but is anyone already taking bets whether there will a “popular uprising” and some affirmatively actioned “yearning for democracy” coming out of the US embassy in Germany?

    Sure, I’ll take that bet. I’ll give you 100 to 1 that there is no “color revolution” in Germany in the next year.

    RT is a great source for this kind of stuff – you can really take their word as Pravda (truth). Maybe the US troops in Germany will take off their insignia and reappear as little green men?

  51. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    came to aid of Arab/Muslim nations targeted by Israel

    Syria (Russia’s only significant Arab ally) was targeted, but not by Israel. The Syria/Israel border has been largely quiet since 1973. In the recent fighting, Israel remained strictly neutral, only requiring that both sides remain on their side of the line and impartially punishing anyone who strayed over Israeli held territory.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  52. istevefan says:
    @Art Deco

    Russia: a cold and strange place with a history of institutionalized cruelty that is second-to-none in Christendom (at least if one inspects just the last 300 years).

    Yet the cruelest part of that last 300 years was not done under Christianity, nor for that matter under Russians.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  53. istevefan says:
    @Jack D

    Israel remained strictly neutral, only requiring that both sides remain on their side of the line and impartially punishing anyone who strayed over Israeli held territory.

    Maybe not:

    Outgoing IDF Chief of Staff Gadi Eisenkot this weekend acknowledged for the first time that Israel had indeed provided weaponry to Syrian rebel groups in the Golan Heights during the country’s seven-year civil war.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  54. Antiwar7 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That’s why it’s so valuable to have as a CIA asset a host of any hip young person’s TV jokey news show or whatnot, and get them to act out the premise that Russia is after us for some reason. (They hate us for our freedoms?)

    I once asked someone that probably watches things like that what he had against Putin, and it mostly came down to his impression that Putin was against multiculturalism. What? Any competent head of Russia has to be explicitly pro-multicultural, because of all the cultures already inside Russia.

  55. J.Ross says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    This, plus, in socialist Israel, nearly everybody is or has been in the military — except the ultra-religious, who are nominally rightist! So you have a situation where it almost inverts.

  56. J.Ross says:
    @fnn

    Decades ago Israel permitted an Apartheid South African head of state (who had been arrested durimg WWII for pro-Nazi activities) to lay a wreath at Yad Vashem. The best defense against their schmaltzy platitudes has always been to simply pay attention to them.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
  57. IHTG says:
    @Thea

    Entire neighborhoods in Tel Aviv are populated by them and their Israeli families. They speak mostly Russians but also Often they speak English. Only rarely Hebrew.

    Every sentence in this paragraph is wrong.

    • Replies: @Thea
  58. Bugg says:

    How scared is western Europe generally and Germany specifically if Mitte Merkel’s predecessor runs a huge Russian oil company with Putin’s backing.Of course though the Pentagon and generals with their eyes sinecures with defense contractors after they retire must be horrified to acknowledge NATO is pointless.

    https://fortune.com/2017/09/29/gerhard-schroeder-chancellor-of-germany/

  59. JohnnyD says:

    I remember listening to a Paul Gottfried interview, in which he explained that much of the Russiaphobia comes from Jewish Neoconservatives who can’t get over what happened to their ancestors in the Pale of Settlement. I also think that much of the Russiaphobia has to do with the LGBTQ nuttiness. Starting with Obama, our foreign policy geniuses made it a priority to fight homophobia and trans-phobia worldwide. This LGBTQ doctrine has unfortunately continued with Trump.

    • Replies: @Thea
  60. It really is all about the Benjamins. Israelis had a choice between two of them, Bibi and Benny. This had me wondering if we’d someday have a Benjamin in the White House.

    But duh… we already have:

    Will we ever have a Steve? Again, duh… Benjamin’s predecessor, opponent, and successor:

    Oops, sorry. I meant:

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  61. peterike says:
    @Jack D

    So for the latter half of the Soviet period (1952 to 1989) Jews had essentially zero influence in the Soviet government and were singled out for active discrimination. This is a far cry from your version of history where Jews ran Russia for the last 100 years.

    Your timeline conveniently stops right before Russian Jews, with American Jewish help, looted Russia for pennies, made billions, and plunged the populace into a death spiral. But hey, what’s a little nation wrecking among friends?

  62. J.Ross says:

    The latest issue of the Atlantic has the cover story “How To Stop A Civil War.” Guessing step one isn’t ending divisive hate propaganda like NPR and the Atlantic.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/11/how-to-stop-a-civil-war/602008/

  63. @Reg Cæsar

    FWIW, “Bibi” was auto-corrected to “Bono”. LikU2?

    Try and imagine Paul Hewson as PM there. “Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath”.

    I wonder if there is some connection between U2 and Jeff Besos. Or is he just a fanboy?

  64. Thea says:
    @JohnnyD

    Actually starting with Clinton and continuing with Bush who appointed an openly homo ambassador to Romania (Michael Guest) with his “Husband.” Romanian complaints were not heeded and the so-called conservative Bush admin called them homophobic.

    • Replies: @JohnnyD
  65. MEH 0910 says:

    OT:

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  66. @istevefan

    Maybe not:

    Outgoing IDF Chief of Staff Gadi Eisenkot this weekend acknowledged for the first time that Israel had indeed provided weaponry to Syrian rebel groups in the Golan Heights during the country’s seven-year civil war.

    That’s heartening. The Syrians have certainly not only supplied just about every terrorist group ever involved in killing Israelis, but also provided sanctuary and headquarters for a good number of them, including the DFLP, the PFLP and Hamas.

  67. J.Ross says:

    !!! !!! !!! !!!
    Ilhan Omar was recruited by a foreign government, received funding from a foreign government, and passed sensitive information through intermediates to Iran, a Florida court has been told.
    The claims came during testimony by Kuwati-born Canadian businessman Alan Bender, who was giving evidence in the trial of Sheikh Khalid bin Hamad al-Thani. The Qatari emir’s brother stands accused of ordering his American bodyguard to murder two people, and of holding an American citizen hostage. His deposition, obtained by Al Arabiya English, was authenticated by the attorney for the plaintiffs, according to the publication. Speaking from Toronto by video link, Bender told the Florida District Court that he met with Qatar’s Secretary to the Emir for Security Affairs Mohammad bin Ahmed bin Abdullah al-Masnad and two other senior Qatari officials.
    According to his sworn deposition, the three officials told him: “If it wasn’t for our cash, Ilhan Omar would be just another black Somali refugee in America collecting welfare and serving tables on weekends.”
    https://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/Ilhan-Omar-working-for-Qatar-Florida-court-hears-609003

    • Replies: @Peterike
  68. @slumber_j

    Thanks. I put effort into my image searches! 🙂

    Speaking of Charles Crane, here’s his family’s past summer house on the North Shore:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Hill_(Ipswich,_Massachusetts)

    • Replies: @slumber_j
  69. JohnnyD says:
    @Thea

    I didn’t realize this LGBT stuff started during the Clinton administration. I remember being surprised a few years ago, when John Kerry declared that fighting homophobia was an important national interest. You’re right about conservatives being just as terrible on this issue. They’re always saying we should support Israel because they have gay pride parades, unlike the Russians and Iranians.

  70. Peterike says:
    @J.Ross

    “Ilhan Omar was recruited by a foreign government, received funding from a foreign government, and passed sensitive information through intermediates to Iran, a Florida court has been told.”

    She also violated immigration law. Nothing happened to her for that. Nothing will happen for this. She has effective immunity from all laws.

  71. Jack D says:
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Isn’t the summer and winter climate the same anywhere in Israel?

    Absolutely not. In winter it snows on Mount Hermon, while it’s sunny and 73F in Eilat.

    But for example Camp David is close to DC but is more pleasant in the summer. People who live in NY go to the Hamptons in summer. Herzliya is near the beach.

    But my understanding is that “summer residence of the Prime Minister” was a cover story and not the actual function.

  72. eah says:

    In reality, there are all sorts of talented and energetic people who float in-between. … And that’s good news, assuming we Americans aren’t too stupid to notice.

    What might affect the things people (are allowed to) “notice”?

  73. J.Ross says:

    Liberal arts colleges fear they are running out of woke men. Why does that matter? Because “once the men stop attending, the women don’t want to enroll.”

    https://philip.greenspun.com/blog/2019/11/25/liberal-arts-colleges-running-out-of-woke-white-men/

    A friend who has worked at the highest levels of college governance said that these bastions of righteousness in which white males are blamed for most things are having difficulty recruiting white males. Why does that matter? “Once the men stop attending,” he noted, “then women don’t want to enroll.”

  74. Dmitry says:
    @Jon Halpenny

    Chabad rabbi in your video partly accurate, although this claim about “good for the Jews in Russia” does not match quite reality (Jews are experiencing demographic collapse currently).

    Official Russia today, is a very antiracist; multinationalism is a component of official ideology.

    Jews are now a little protected group inside officially multinational Russia, which have overrepresentation in media, among celebrities, actors and elite. E.g. There are Israelis presenting news programs on the first channel, after they upgraded their career from Israel. Or if you watched Voice Kids in Russia, three of the finalist children were Israeli children.

    Mountain Jews are the richest per capita nationality in Russia and the kind of luxury lifestyle in Instagram accounts of their internet-famous daughters like below should logically generate antisemitism, considering the amount of inequality which is now becoming worse every year.
    https://www.instagram.com/masha_chigirinskaya/
    https://www.instagram.com/milana_pich/

    Putin is personally extremely philosemitic, even in his friends and family, and they have Hanukkah in the Kremlin, etc.

    However, all this is quite recent (last 20 years only). During Soviet times, there was an official policy in the media of “subtle antisemitism”, and this continued in the 1990-s. In Soviet times, media was often trying intentionally to convey an antisemitic message, although without complete directness.

    So, people like Americans today cannot understand the change in direction in the official policy, and do not perceive the fact that things like multireligious toleration, is one of the main themes of official ideology in Russia.

    Probably, because the change in official relation to Jews is only around 20 years old.

    Change in direction, results in very strange fake new though. Today, people complaining about discrimination to Jews of Russia, is like if people would complain about discrimination against woman in Sweden, or claiming Netherlands is a sexually repressed country, and that Brazilian governemnt is too organized and incorrupt.

    One thing to notice though is that this change in official attitude to Jews, is quite recent. So it’s theoretically possible after Putin, that official positions could return to the situation before (“subtle hazing of Jews” at an official level).

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Jack D
    , @Dmitry
  75. @anon

    The 4 parts are all on BitChute ->



    Anyone who hasn’t watched it, really ought to. It’s only 19 minutes and it’s well worth it just for the detail of the infiltration of the US phone network (including the mechanisms by which police can wiretap).

  76. Lovely blue eyes on that Gen. Gantz.

  77. Dmitry says:
    @Thea

    “Russians” (and Israeli use of this word includes immigrants from Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Baltics and even sometimes brown people from Georgia/Azerbaijan/Uzbekistan, etc) in Israel, are commonly pushed out into the periphery, or cheaper suburbs, where they live in the highest rates – with nationalities like Moroccans and Ethiopians.

    So, tourists, do not likely experience a “Russian ghetto” in Israel.

    Closest really “Russian ghetto” (where most of people seem to speak Russian) to the economic centre, is Bat Yam, where they can afford to live out in buildings which look like this. (If tourists go out that far, then they can see how live many Russian Jews in Israel, and mostly they are not exactly property rich or powerful people).

    • Replies: @Thea
  78. Thea says:
    @IHTG

    I read a book about Soviet baby boomers that discusses this phenomenon. I guess they could have made this up but why would anyone do that.

    Maybe by now they’ve mostly assimilated to Israeli culture but at least in the 90s & early 2000sthey were a very distinctive community.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  79. Lot says:
    @Dmitry

    Good points.

    I’d add though that the most ambitious Jews stay in Russia and do well, the large majority have left for Israel or the USA over the years.

    “Mountain Jews” are small in number and ethnically closer kin to Persians and Armenians than AJs or Sephardi. They do well in business but lack the IQ and ambition to get serious political or cultural power.

  80. @Thea

    “They needed a place to go when things collapsed in the 1990s.”

    Instead of, you know, staying put and getting to work rebuilding their beloved homeland.

    I’d say that alone settles the question about their “identity” — definitely Jews, no question.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Thea
  81. 216 says: • Website
    @BB753

    That’s a cartoon Russia that doesn’t exist. While it might be nice if it did exist, it doesn’t.

    It more closely describes Iran, but even there it is lacking; Iran is actually pro-trans.

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @Clive Beaconsfield
  82. slumber_j says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    That’s great: thank you. I’ve never seen the house, but I do remember fondly a trip to Crane Beach–I think in the upper right of that photo–to study for spring-semester exams in probably 1986. It’s a beautiful place.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  83. 216 says: • Website
    @Clive Beaconsfield

    The near-enemy is Redstan, Russia is the “far enemy” that has enabled these uppity ruralites to defeat the sons of Hahvad and Yalie. A Wharton graduate, how gauche.

  84. Jack D says:
    @Dmitry

    I’m not quite sure that subtle is the exact right word. It was more like thinly veiled anti-Semitism. The problem was that while OTOH anti-Semitism was official policy emanating from the very top (as policy tends to do in Russia), OTOH, the Soviet Constitution and laws forbade any kind of ethnic discrimination, so it all had to be done on the down-low and in a way that was deniable.

    So for example, the Mathematics Department of Moscow State University had a policy of keeping out Jews but again this could not be openly stated, so rather what they did was give Jewish applicants special admission tests with trick questions on them. These problems were carefully designed to have elementary solutions but these solutions were nearly impossible to find. They were known as “coffin problems”.

    http://www.tanyakhovanova.com/coffins.html

    There were other, less prestigious universities such as the Russian State University of Oil and Gas and the Moscow State University of Railway Engineering which were known for letting in Jewish students that Moscow State excluded, with the result that they had some of the best students, including Vekselberg.

    The problem, as you say, is that in Russia all policy tends to emanate from the top down so when the top changes the policy can change overnight.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  85. Jack D says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    That’s easy for you to say but what would you do if you were unable to feed your family? Would you let them starve so that their bones could rest in their homeland or would you get on a plane to greener pastures? Talk is cheap. Thank God America has not had to contend with that kind of collapse and I pray that it never will. But if it did, I’ll bet I’d see you on the plane. You would be the one first in line.

    • Replies: @Moses
  86. Thea says:
    @Dmitry

    Interesting. Thank you

  87. Thea says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Does this make them any worse than 16th century Puritans or 19th century Irish farmers?

  88. Hhsiii says:

    Love the Faberge eggs. Robin

    [MORE]
    Leach used to mention them. “Malcolm Forbes owns 12 Faberge eggs!”

    Egg Man. The Carl Faberge Story.

  89. @Thea

    “The movie Andrei Rublev includes a fabulous bell making scene. The director recreated a 15th century village cons together under the tutelage of the inexperienced son of the previous bell maker. His father died before imparting knowledge to him but this doesn’t dampen his boasts.

    If the young Boris gets it wrong, it will cost him his life as the Boyar who paid dearly for it is not the forgiving sort.

    Highly recommended.”

    Yes, another great film by Tarkovskii. Such a masterful director!

    Once I was at a monastary in Russia when they were restoring the bells in an ancient church’s steeple, and it was very moving. Removed during the early Stalin era, IIRC (~1923?). Witnessed a service there and kept a low profile.

    Back at the hotel later, it was on the news. Damn, that was visceral. History happens.

    Sometimes I feel sad for the dull folk who only experience life through the clouded lenses of outlets like the NYT and WashPo.

    OK, sorry if that’s TMI. Trying to brace myself for the holiday gatherings.

    One thing that I look forward to is the annual cleaning of the silverware. My lady hates me when I handle the butter knives. The holidays present a great opportunity to introduce the notion of Occam’s Butterknife.

    Wife may not appreciate. But at the fully populated table, at 0 turkey hour, there’s an opportunity.

    When you wrangle that steaming sweet potato onto the edge of that crowded dinner plate, peel back the tinfoil and explain the concept 😉

    • Replies: @Thea
  90. @Achmed E. Newman

    Russians satisfy the left’s scapegoat/nemesis role for the very simple reason that they are white.

    Every mass ideology requires at least one domestic and one foreign enemy. But Current Year wokeism simply won’t allow hate against even foreigners of color. For example, criticizing Arab sexism and homophobia triggers all sorts of uncomfortable feelings about Islamaphobia among SJWs.

    So Ruskies it is.

  91. @Thea

    They needed a place to go when things collapsed in the 1990s.

    Did the jews flee Russia in the Cold War and 90s primarily because they had a path out due to Israel and U.S. being open to them?

    Or was anti-semitism an especially big problem in the Soviet Union and it’s immediate aftermath? I don’t know. But I had the impression that the communist regime was largely unconcerned with ethnic status as it was an equal opportunity oppressor.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Thea
  92. Dmitry says:
    @Thea

    I think you are correct, most Russian-speakers in Israel which arrive as adults (most immigration to Israel are young people in their 20s), and those adults will not internally culturally assimilate that much to Israel. And a lot of the older people do not even learn Hebrew.

    Another channel of mass immigration to Israel, are teenagers who immigrate alone at around age 15-16 (without their parents) and these are thrown into Israeli boarding schools.

    That kind of teenage immigrant, will be very different – they will become “real native Israelis” internally, because their acculturation is a highschool away from their parents, they learn Hebrew rapidly, their friends will be native Israelis (not immigrants), their school qualifications will be in Hebrew, they learn all the national songs, they go to the army.

    Even those 16 year old immigrants though probably have some trouble with accents, even when they are not mocking them.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  93. Jack D says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Or was anti-semitism an especially big problem in the Soviet Union and it’s immediate aftermath? I don’t know. But I had the impression that the communist regime was largely unconcerned with ethnic status as it was an equal opportunity oppressor.

    Soviet Union yes, aftermath not so much. The late stage Soviet Union was quite concerned with ethnic status although it all had to be done sub rosa since the legal system was nominally non-racist, even anti-racist. But the reality was quite different. In that sense it was like the American South where on the books black people had equal rights but as a practical matter they didn’t.

    Just like the CPC, at some point the Soviet regime, without ever changing its form, transitioned from being internationalist/communist to being fascist/nationalist and in particular Russian nationalist. So on paper it was one thing (the thing it had been in the past) and in reality it was something else.

    As for “big” well it wasn’t big in the Nazi sense that they were especially killing Jews . In post-Stalin Russia there were very few political killings period. It was more like discrimination in getting into top universities, in job promotions and especially in access to politically sensitive positions. Since everyone worked for the government, this meant pretty much everywhere.

  94. Dmitry says:
    @Jack D

    America had very similar restrictions, or quotas, to limit the number of Jewish students in universities. So Soviet policy was not without precedent – it was also a feature of America.

    You have to remember, that in the USSR, Jews were a larger nationality than today – they were almost half as many Jews as Tatars.

    So, it was sensible to impose some restrictions, to ensure Jews do not overcrowd universities, pushing out other nationalities.

    Similarly, Jews had to be prevented from becoming too nationalistic, and from separating themselves from the common life of other nationalities. (A lot of “hazing” of Jews was related to this problem, particularly to prevent Jews’ identification with Zionism).

    As happened, Jews did the opposite of separate themselves, and they lost their own culture and tradition, and start to mass intermarry with non-Jewish nationalities.

    Another demographic problem for Jews in the USSR, was very low fertility rates. “starting from 1919, the birth cohorts of Jewish women had a very stable and low level of fertility — about 1.4 or less”. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233965670_Ethnicity_Religion_and_Demographic_Change_in_Russia_Russians_Tatars_and_Jews

    Jewish fertility rates so low, around 1,4 – across the whole post-war period.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  95. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    quite reality (Jews are experiencing demographic collapse currently).

    Jews’demographics are collapsing, and the demographic situation of Jews might fall even faster than for other assimilating non-Russian nationalities like Tatars and Mordvins (although Tatars and Mordvins now experience the same process of demographic collapse), due to continuous emigration of young people to Israel.

    One of the ironies, is that efforts including at a government level, to recreate a Jewish identity in Russia, might result in further demographic collapse of Jews – as rediscovery of Jewish genealogy in peoples’ families, often results in higher rates of emigration to Israel (or at least possibility of emigration).

    A Yiddish teacher – she explains at 26:55 (with English subtitles) in video below, about how this irony operated in the Jewish Autonomous region – although there demographic collapse is shared with all nationalities (However, Jews are demographically collapsing even faster than the other nationalities are in the region as a result of additional emigration possibilities).

  96. Sean says:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2016/02/15/so-much-for-george-soros-great-china-currency-short/#277356fc6ae1

    Kyle Bass and Soros are specialists in shorting currency who have found out that east Asian countries are not Greece (Bass) or Britain( Soros). They are both trying to short China, and so both are trying to apply pressure on it. But if you look at the very wealthy investor billionaires like Warren Buffett whose fund is sitting on 128 billion in cash, they are now red hot to invest in China, and cannot get in there fast enough. Buffet has said he missed out by being too cautious about China.

    http://www.ejinsight.com/20191111-warren-buffett-rumored-to-be-seeking-top-chinese-fund-managers/
    Warren Buffett is one of the biggest shareholders of Chinese electric vehicle company BYD.

    https://fortune.com/2018/09/26/warren-buffett-berkshire-hathaway-byd-china-electric-cars/ On Sept. 26, 2008, Berkshire Hathaway Inc. (BRK-B) agreed to buy what is now equivalent to 24.59% of BYD Co.’s Hong Kong-traded stock. Those shares in what is now China’s biggest maker of alternative-energy vehicles have soared more than 500% since then, turning a $232 million investment into a stake worth roughly $1.6 billion at current prices. Berkshire shares have rallied just 146% in the same 10-year period as of Tuesday’s close.

    Buffett’s bet — made two years before Tesla Inc. (TSLA) listed and way ahead of the auto industry’s shift toward electric cars — has turned BYD (BYDDY) into the billionaire investor’s most-valuable holding in a publicly traded company

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/warren-buffett-investment-now-target-in-u-s-china-trade-war/Earlier this month, the House of Representatives passed an annual defense policy bill that would, among other things, block local public transit agencies from spending federal funds to buy railcars made by companies that are either owned, controlled or subsidized by the Chinese government. A Senate version of the bill, passed in late June, would apply to buses as well.

    And that’s where Buffett, the legendary investor and CEO of insurance conglomerate Berkshire Hathaway, comes in.[…] Earlier this year, Buffett said no one person should take credit for the strength of the U.S. economy, which was seen as a swipe at President Trump […] It’s not clear that banning municipalities from buying buses and railcars from Chinese manufactures would boost U.S. jobs. First, nearly all of the buses that BYD has sold in the U.S. are manufactured in its factory in California

    There is an attempt to inextricably entangle the two economies, but the key is the really big money in looking for somewhere they can invest and make huge returns. Spaulding explains the massive government investment in telecommunications that produced the Bell Labs discoveries and US economic growth. Now the US has given up on the indigenous technostructure, and US investors are only interested in sticking their snouts in the Chinese profit trough.

    With 5th gen, as Huawei is trying to foist on the world, it will be like being an inmate of a prison, where there are a zillion ways to make life a torment without openly and explicitly punishing, such as your shower stops working or you don’t get meals until they are cold ect ect. With access to all an individual’s data the sky would be the limit for operant conditioning even for those as free as a bird.

    Russia’s backwardness will make it the freest of all first world countries before long. The essential point is that Russia is increasingly irrelevant to making money, Israel is too small to matter, and those who own the rusting hulk Ukrainian and Russian economies are not going to get any richer; the real productive capacity action is in China. So like the moist robots programmed for profit they are, the smart people in the West are shilling for China.

  97. TheBoom says:
    @Paul

    Russia siding with Israeli enemies plays a very large part in why Putin is the Hitler du jour. This added to the Neverending fight against the Tsar and Russia being a foe of Globohomo mandate that America must risk nuclear war to oppose him. Because of the Resistance to Orange Man Bad the Democrats go along with this each step of the way

  98. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Russia’s backwardness will make it the freest of all first world countries before long. The essential point is that Russia is increasingly irrelevant to making money, Israel is too small to matter, and those who own the rusting hulk Ukrainian and Russian economies are not going to get any richer.

    Russia and the former Eastern Bloc are really still, mostly, the Second World.

    They have white IQs but are not worth a shit at business. Not just the Russians, pretty much all of them. I had lunch today with a guy who is trying to get parts for the Walter engine in his Zlin, supposedly they are still being manufactured, but no website, no contact info anywhere, and a guy in Santa Clara who has one told him, “well, your best bet is to get on a plane to Prague…. ” This is the Czech Republic, supposedly the bright spot in the ex-WarPac world…

    • Replies: @Jack D
  99. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The views from Lowell tower lower wrap-around

    Is it paid for yet?

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  100. Thea says:
    @Kibernetika

    Once upon a time church bells were the background noise of Europe. Christendom.

  101. Thea says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    I don’t know for sure but I think having that path enticed many Jews to leave. Certainly a lot of Russian gentiles wanted out during those years,

  102. Moses says:
    @Jack D

    That’s easy for you to say but what would you do if you were unable to feed your family? Would you let them starve so that their bones could rest in their homeland or would you get on a plane to greener pastures?

    Weird. I don’t remember people starving in 1990s Russia. Was it not covered in the media, like the Holodomor?

    How many Russians without Jewish blood had the option to emigrate to Israel during the 1990s to save their families?

    Oh yeah, none.

    Israel has a de-facto race-based immigration system. Cannot prove Jewish blood, no matzah ball soup for you!

    • Replies: @Jack D
  103. anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, you should read Whitney Webb’s work for Mint Press about the links between Israeli intelligence, the tech/surveillance entrepreneur world and the Epstein circle.

  104. My impression since Carl Cannon’s spiked 2001 Fox News series has been that the Israeli Deep State specializes in encouraging friendly capitalists to invest in software companies that can spy on people in the rest of the world through their telephones.

    Your impression is correct: Another good reason to not take your smartphone with you into the bathroom.

  105. @Dmitry

    Even those 16 year old immigrants though probably have some trouble with accents, even when they are not mocking them.

    Yes, Avigdor Lieberman is often mocked by the Israeli equivalent of Jon Stewart,(Lior Schleien) for his Eastern European accented Hebrew.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  106. @Dmitry

    America had very similar restrictions, or quotas, to limit the number of Jewish students in universities. So Soviet policy was not without precedent – it was also a feature of America.

    In America this was not a function of Government policy so Jews could (and did) take advantage of parallel or alternate paths to upward mobility. Can’t get into Harvard? Ok, make CUNY great. Can’t get hired at white shoe law firm? Start your own. etc. In USSR, due to top down structure of society , there were few or no alternate paths to success.

  107. Jack D says:
    @Moses

    The system was far from perfect. Lots of Russians in Israel with not a drop of Jewish blood.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  108. @slumber_j

    You’re welcome. Crane’s Beach is great, even if one is not a ‘beach person.’

    One pet peeve—locals have rightly known it forever as Crane’s Beach—I’m not sure how it officially became “Crane.” Busybodies at the Trustees? Harrumph!

    Here’s William Sargent on the matter:

    http://www.upne.com/1584654651.html

    In writing about the Trustees’ properties I have given popular name precedence over strict orthodoxy. Besides, I find “Crane Beach” virtually impossible to pronounce, it not grammatically suspect, so use the more familiar “Crane’s Beach” or simply “Crane’s” instead. I use Hog Island over Choate Island purely out of historic and aesthetic preference. I hope the Trustees will not revoke my beach permit for such transgressions.

  109. @Reg Cæsar

    Is it paid for yet?

    Not if terms were renegotiated by this Harvard Square firm:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey,_Cheatem_%26_Howe

    [MORE]

  110. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    They have white IQs but are not worth a shit at business.

    1. 50 years of ethnic cleansing and Communism did a lot to damage entrepreneurial instincts. In a place like Prague, a lot of the pre-war businesses would have been either ethnic German or Jewish owned but both groups were eliminated. Then the Communists nationalized whatever businesses remained.

    2. Since most things were in short supply anyway, E. European factories were not sales and marketing oriented. Their job was to make stuff. Selling it was not their job. Sales and marketing are seen as hucksterism and are beneath their dignity as engineers. Even if they want to do this stuff, they are unpracticed and just not good at it, nor do they have a lot of money to spend on marketing anyway.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  111. Dmitry says:
    @Jack D

    If they do not have either Jewish blood or religion themselves, then they have to be married to husband/wife with at least Jewish roots to the 3rd generation, in order to repatriate to Israel.

    Israel’s immigration system becomes a little “fascist” in relation to non-Jewish roots parents of those immigrants.

    These parents can only immigration to Israel after they have started their pension.

    However, this has created another form of welfare immigration, as tens of thousands of these old pensioners retire in Israel, and upgrade to the higher quality health service and hospitals available in Israel.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  112. Dmitry says:
    @kaganovitch

    Also, some people are just not talented for learning accents and intonation (even while they may be talented for learning additional languages).

    Lieberman is speaking perfect Hebrew (I assume), but obviously with mostly Russian intonation and word stress, which is opposite to Hebrew intonation.

    The native Hebrew intonation and word stress, is in opposite places compared to normal European languages.

    So when Israelis are speaking in English, their intonation and rhythm sounds quite bizarre.

    For example, her English intonation goes up on the opposite parts of words than you would in Russian (and correct English, and most European languages), and down on the opposite parts of words.
    https://youtu.be/EDNjcSVGTWU?t=53.

    ^Most of the intonation is counterintuitive for European people.

    Another thing about Israel, a conversion from a historically cosmopolitan situation in the 1950-s, where having different accents was normal – to a snobby provincial situation today, where citizens without a native Israeli accent are still viewed as somewhat eternal foreigners, or at least not exactly “real Israeli” ethnos.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @kaganovitch
  113. Jack D says:
    @Dmitry

    Right, but as you have said before, intermarriage was extremely common in Soviet (and post-Soviet) Russia so tons of those (partly) Jewish Russians have non-Jewish spouses. So a “Jewish” Russian couple might have 1/4 of a Jew between the two of them.

    They have gotten a little more strict in recent years but when the Soviet Union broke down and Jews started pouring into Israel they were glad to have the people – at that time they were concerned that the Arabs were outpacing the Jews demographically so having more people on Team Jew was good and they weren’t going to examine their circumcisions too closely. Ultimately this was the right decision – regardless of how “Russian” their parents stayed, the kids and grandkids grow up as Israeli Jews, serve in the Army, etc.. Israel was able to assimilate people of vastly different cultural backgrounds – German intellectuals and primitives from the mountains of Yemen under the Israeli umbrella so a few blond haired Russians are no problem.

    Also, I think the Israeli-Russian ties have been beneficial to Israel diplomatically. Maybe you are right and these are really tied to Putin and could change overnight, but for the time being there is a lot of linkage and while Russia is not exactly an Israeli ally in the way that they are allied with the Syrian regime, they are not unfriendly either. It always amuses me when people here say that America should cut Israel loose – it doesn’t seem to occur to them that America might need Israel as an ally in that region as much as Israel needs America and that Israel is not without alternatives.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Anonymous
  114. Jack D says:
    @Dmitry

    I don’t think there is such a thing as a general European intonation that stands in contrast to Hebrew intonation. Russian intonation is as different from English intonation as it is from Hebrew. In some ways, modern Hebrew intonation is quite close to German and Yiddish intonation because modern Hebrew was really an artificial reconstructed language and it was largely reconstructed by German and Yiddish speakers. Every language has its unique vowel and consonant sounds that are subtlely different from the vowels and consonants in other languages. Once you are past puberty, its very hard to learn new sounds and unlearn those of your native language, so that we can usually identify someone speaking English (or Hebrew) with a Russian accent vs a German accent vs a French accent, etc.

  115. @Jack D

    In a place like Prague, a lot of the pre-war businesses would have been either ethnic German or Jewish owned but both groups were eliminated. Then the Communists nationalized whatever businesses remained.

    I think this is true of much of Eastern Europe. My mom tells me that in the part of Transylvania that she grew up in, just about every business was run by either Sachsen or Jews.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  116. @Dmitry

    Another thing about Israel, a conversion from a historically cosmopolitan situation in the 1950-s, where having different accents was normal – to a snobby provincial situation today, where citizens without a native Israeli accent are still viewed as somewhat eternal foreigners, or at least not exactly “real Israeli” ethnos.

    Yup, this is exactly right. there were all kinds of first generation Israelis from all over the place , so one was used to all kinds of accents. Second and third gen Israelis have become very snobbish about “received” pronunciation and grammar. I played tape of Ben Gurion speaking to one of my friends who was mocking European pronunciation of Hebrew and he was astonished what a “griner” he was.

  117. Jack D says:

    Griner (“greenhorn” – immigrant) was appropriate for him both because he really was an immigrant (he moved to Palestine when he was 20 – too late to lose your accent ) and because his real name was Gruen (Green).

    I think Israeli Hebrew itself has shifted over the years to become different from the Hebrew that Ben Gurion spoke. People will often adopt exaggerated regional accents as a sort of in-group signifier and there was also an increased Mizrahi influence on pronunciation.

    Here is an interview with genuine Sabra Moshe Dayan but his Hebrew sounds a little strange to modern ears – for example he rolls his r’s a lot more than modern Israelis:

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    , @IHTG
  118. Jack D says:
    @kaganovitch

    Oh, absolutely – the old Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Pale was more like India than England in that caste (ethnicity) was linked to occupation. Gypsies were tinkers, Jews did commerce, Ukrainians and Ruthenians were farmers, Poles were the local nobility who owned the landed estates, etc. Everyone did what they were naturally best at doing. Afterward, when all that was left was the local peasant majority, you had a Zimbabwe type loss of competence (made worse by Communist ideology). When I went back to my mother’s shtetl, I didn’t see any sort of commerce at all beyond a little corner grocery store type place – the locals had pretty much reverted to horse powered subsistence farming.

  119. Yngvar says:

    One of my long-running themes is that the American Establishment’s Russophobia in this decade is related to American Jews’ traditional anti-Czarism. … Therefore, we need a neo-Cold War against the neo-Czar.

    That isn’t congruent with the reality of Secretary Clintons embarrassing Reset Button spectacle, a show put on at the behest of President Obama, the same Obama that promised Russian caretaker Manager Medvedev that ‘more flexibility’ would be forthcoming in Obamas last term. You can’t square this circle.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  120. Dmitry says:
    @Jack D

    “Jewish” Russian couple might have 1/4 of a Jew between the two of them.

    And that is the natural situation for modern life. Most people living in multiethnic countries, do not marry determined by religion/nationality since already the first half of the 20th century. So what should Israel expect of its immigrants? (However, Israel’s Law of Return was liberalized not for Russians, but for Polish Jews, who arrived in 1968: Polish Jews had become a small minority after the war, and they mostly had non-Jewish wives/husbands by 1968).

    examine their circumcisions

    Circumcision for non-medical reasons was not allowed in the Soviet Union, regardless of your background. And this was quite a rational position, when the country was trying to combat religious obscurantism. (Aside from religious obscurantism, there is no need for circumcision for most people).

    (Obviously, ironically, Marxism–Leninism has itself the structure of radical messianic religion, but that’s another topic.)

    these are really tied to Putin and could change overnight, but for the time being there is a lot of linkage and while Russia is not exactly an Israeli ally in the way

    I don’t think immigration is the main cause of an improvement of relations, however. (Especially, when you consider how many Ukrainians each year Israel receives, who were educated in Ukrainian schools since the 1990s-2000s, and many have been brainwashed with Ukrainian nationalism.)

    The more general trend, is that Israel is generally supported by post-Soviet countries, including Muslim ones, while it has more difficult relations with European countries.

    Russia still has somewhat difficult relations with Israel, as it adopts a more European position to Israel. (Although the media in Russia became pro-Israel in the last decade, probably reflecting some generational shift on this particular topic).

  121. J.Ross says:
    @Yngvar

    Wait, your argument is clearly bad-faith promises and a publicity stunt, from the people who oversaw the arming of ISIS?

  122. Corvinus says:

    “One of my long-running themes is that the American Establishment’s Russophobia in this decade is related to American Jews’ traditional anti-Czarism.”

    Another false premise, Mr. Sailer.

  123. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Also, I think the Israeli-Russian ties have been beneficial to Israel diplomatically. Maybe you are right and these are really tied to Putin and could change overnight, but for the time being there is a lot of linkage and while Russia is not exactly an Israeli ally in the way that they are allied with the Syrian regime, they are not unfriendly either. It always amuses me when people here say that America should cut Israel loose – it doesn’t seem to occur to them that America might need Israel as an ally in that region as much as Israel needs America and that Israel is not without alternatives.

    Israel openly becoming a neutral between Russia and the US would benefit all three.

    I have nothing big for or against Israel per se. My advice to Israelis who want to keep their country is this-good-I wish you well-do yourself a favor and do not trust anyone, especially do not trust the United States. We are a terminally ill empire, and given the way things are, when we break up you will have a good chance of looking at having a Pierce/Strom/Covington character having the keys to at least some of the US nuclear arsenal.

    Most Americans do not hate Jews or Israel, but in 1926, most Germans did not hate Jews either.

    Most Americans also do not want to be the world’s policeman, we do not want to run a ten nuclear carrier navy, and though we might want Saudi light sweet crude at below true market costs, it’s bad for us and cutting us off from it would be beneficial. You need to either come to terms with the Arabs or put them down really, really hard. Since there are a lot more of them than there are of you, think this one through carefully.

    Personally I have some sympathy for the Pals in principle, but little in practice, since they are constantly behaving stupidly. Letting your kids throw rocks at people with Uzis and a demonstrated propensity to use them at rock throwers is stupid. Killing random people with unguided rockets or suicide bombers is stupidity. If you are going to terrorize someone, terrorize the people who matter. In their whole history, Israel only lost one Burger King (see Covington, q.v.) and that was to one of their own, not an outsider:

    Yigal Amir and din rodef

    Yitzhak Rabin grave, December 1995.

    The assassin was Yigal Amir, a 25-year-old former Hesder student and far-right law student at Bar-Ilan University. Amir had strenuously opposed Rabin’s peace initiative, particularly the signing of the Oslo Accords, because he felt that an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank would deny Jews their “biblical heritage which they had reclaimed by establishing settlements”. Amir had come to believe that Rabin was a rodef, meaning a “pursuer” who endangered Jewish lives. The concept of din rodef (“law of the pursuer”) is a part of traditional Jewish law. Amir believed he would be justified under din rodef in removing Rabin as a threat to Jews in the territories.[17]

    In the Israeli settlements, pamphlets debating the validity of applying din rodef and din moser (“law of the informer”) to Rabin and the Oslo Accords were distributed at synagogues. Both carried a death sentence according to traditional Halakhic law.[6] There was disagreement among religious Zionists as to whether Amir ever secured authorization from a rabbi to carry out the assassination of Rabin.[18] His father later said that in the months before the assassination, Amir repeatedly “said that the prime minister should be killed because a din rodef was issued against him”.[19] During his later trial, Amir stated: “I acted according to din rodef. … It was not a personal act, I just wanted [Rabin] to be removed from his position”.[20]

    The IRA did pull “a spectacular” with the Mountbatten Blast; the problem was the innocents who also died or were maimed. It was an own goal. The Pals have a 100 percent own goal record as far as I can see. (Arguably, insofar as Mountbatten was hardly their worst enemy, the IRA did too, but that’s another kettle of fish.)

    • Replies: @Yngvar
  124. @Art Deco

    What exactly is so unusually cruel about Russia in the last 300 years? They weren’t out building far-flung empires and exploiting technologically backwards native peoples (Great Britain). They didn’t participate in the Atlantic slave trade on any significant level (all of Western Europe). They had a version of manifest destiny, but the Siberian/Turkic tribes in their territory got to continue their traditions and weren’t wiped out like the American Indians were. Also until the communist revolution, Russia really didn’t get swept up into any wacky violent ideologies/religious movements, either.

  125. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

    Hi, I’m Anonymous, the author of A WARNING from IAmA

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  126. sayless says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    After the Soviet Union fell the NYT began calling the diehard Communists who wanted to hang on to the old order, “right-wing.”

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  127. bjondo says:
    @IHTG

    Business bit
    different from ordering
    the slaughtering of
    caged, defenseless people.

  128. @Jack D

    Remember, a vehicle with one headlight out is a Moshe Dayan Car.

  129. [Israel] is now such a right wing country ..

    I read that ISR’s left/right temperature measures sentiment on how to deal with the Arabs.

    L: make nice.
    R: make less nice.

    Truly.

    In socioeconomic terms, the country is like all the other, socialist democracies: Big Government, all the way.

    Absolutely.

  130. @sayless

    I remember that very distinctly, Sayless. Thank you.

  131. IHTG says:
    @Jack D

    In terms of accents, what Israel has today besides immigrant accents, is an identifiable upper class accent and a lower class accent (which I suspect is an evolution of the original Moroccan Jewish accent). The lower class accent at its most exaggerated is high pitched and nasally to a comical degree, almost like a Hebrew version of the classic New Yawk accent. You’ll frequently hear it in in low-brow comedy skits. The upper class accent – low pitch, slow, precise intonation (Netanyahu is an archetypal example).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  132. J.Ross says:
    @MEH 0910

    Is this like that other nothingburger expose which bestsellered its way to the $5 shelf at Wal-Mart in a week?

  133. @216

    Iran is pro-trans in the sense that it hates gays so much it forces them into sex changes, yes.

  134. @Art Deco

    institutionalized cruelty that is second-to-none in Christendom

    What?
    Can you name a single Tsarist cruelty that wasn’t done a thousand fold worse under the atheist regime?
    Can you name a single Tsarist cruelty that wasn’t comparable to what the British were doing to the Bengalis and the Irish, or what the Belgians were doing in the Congo
    Had Tsarist Russia been as repressive as the propagandists portrayed it as then there would’ve been no Bolshevik revolution, instead of being sent to Siberia for the Xth time the conspirators would’ve just been shot

  135. @IHTG

    Netanyahu speaks excellent English. I can remember first hearing him speak during the 1991 Gulf War and saying, Wow, we’re going to be hearing about this guy for a long time.

  136. Yngvar says:
    @Anonymous

    The only thing the Palestinians have never tried is passive resistance — Gandhi-style. Kids trowing rocks at Israel army patrols and getting hurt by the response is not going to work. Laying themselves down across the road, I guarantee, the first and maybe the second kid will be run over, but after that the soldiers driving the jeeps will refuse to do it.

    But the Palestinians will not do that. Gandhi-style is athwart the teachings of the Koran and Mohammedanism. The Israel Defense Forces have their number.

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