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From Ben & Jerry’s Ice Cream:

7 Ways We Know Systemic Racism Is Real

Ever hear someone say something like, “Hey, wow, great news everybody! Racism’s over! We fixed it!” … Yeah, it seems there’s still a little something called systemic racism—and it’s real.

Racism at Every Level of Society

Systemic racism is about the way racism is built right into every level of our society. …

While fewer people may consider themselves racist, racism itself persists in our schools, offices, court system, police departments, and elsewhere. Think about it: when white people occupy most positions of decision-making power, people of color have a difficult time getting a fair shake, let alone getting ahead. Bottom line: we have a lot of work to do.

Here are seven ways we know that systemic racism exists.

WEALTH

According to one study, white families hold 90% of the national wealth, Latino families hold 2.3%, and black families hold 2.6%. Not only that, the Great Recession hit minority families particularly hard, and the wealth gap has increased. Think about this: while median wealth for a single white woman in the US is $41,000, the median wealth for a black woman is $100. And for single Latinas it’s $120. That’s almost unbelievable—and it’s a huge racial-justice issue.

Perhaps black and Latina women are being financially exploited by purveyors of delicious but expensive and fattening ice cream? Perhaps they should cut back on expenditures on unhealthy luxuries?

Ben & Jerry’s (a Unilever brand since 2000) founders Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield were both born in increasingly diverse Brooklyn in 1951. Their parents soon moved to Merrick, NY on Long Island (Merrick was 95% white in the 2000 Census), where they met in 7th grade gym class and found they had much in common.

They chose to move in 1978 to Burlington, Vermont, 45 miles south of the Canadian border. Why? For roughly the same reason Brooklyn-born Bernie Sanders had moved to Burlington a decade before: Vermont’s Diversity!

In the 1980 Census, Vermont was 0.2% black and 0.6% Latina.

Also from Ben & Jerry’s:

What Is Implicit Bias and What Can We Do About It?

Scoop Shop Sociology

Picture it: you’re rolling into your favorite local Scoop Shop primed to experience some much-needed ice cream euphoria. There are tons of flavors to choose from, of course, but that doesn’t stress you out—because you know exactly what you want: Half Baked. Why worry about any other options when cookie dough chunks and brownie bites taste so so good together?

But… have you ever thought about WHY you feel the way you do? Don’t get us wrong: we love Half Baked too. But how is that we’ve become conditioned to believe that certain things, like brownies and cookie dough, or peanut butter and jelly, go together perfectly while others don’t?

Maybe the bigger question is, what are we missing by never challenging our deepest assumptions?

Obviously, it’s just social conditioning that Ben & Jerry’s sells, for example, Chocolate Peanut Buttery Swirl ice cream. Human beings could be socially conditioned to like any two flavors together as much as they tend to like Peanut Butter & Chocolate.

Therefore, in 2018, Ben & Jerry’s will be challenging our deepest assumptions about what tastes good together with a new line of Anti-Stereotypical Ice Creams. Flavors include:

Toothpaste & Orange Juice

Chocolate & Tuna

Diet Mint Chewing Gum & Beer

Blue Cheese & Altoids

Mountain Dew & Pork Rinds

Green Apples & Milk

Granted, you feel Implicit Bias against most of these flavor combinations. But that’s just society’s prejudice against Orange Juice & Toothpaste talking. Ben & Jerry’s are betting the company that with enough advertising we can make you love these flavor combinations.

[Note: Ben & Jerry's is not actually betting the company. Ben & Jerry's will continue selling ice cream flavors based on time-tested combinations such as cookie dough & chocolate chips and peanut butter & chocolate.]

 
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  1. whorefinder says: • Website

    “Ben & Jerry, you’re making an implicit assumption that all racial groups and ethnic groups share the exact same abilities across the spectrum.”

    “So?”

    “Both statistical evidence and anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise.”

    “RACIST! BURN THE WITCH!”

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    One racial difference that is indisputable is lactose intolerance. Ben an Jerry's ice cream makes blacks and Asians sick - or at least uncomfortable. Only whites among the common races have the "white privilege" of being able to digest their ice cream.

    Kinda ironic what?
    , @Colleen Pater
    Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield might want to provide a similar graph showing jewish wealth and jew population percent maybe another for east asians, then we can drill down to where the real privilege is
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  2. whorefinder says: • Website

    P.S.

    I love being lectured by sugar-milk makers on how evil I am.

    P.P.S.

    Why do Middle Eastern Americans like Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield have such a intrinsic, illogical hatred of European Americans, and an irrational desire to blame them for everyone’s problems?

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    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    "Why do Middle Eastern Americans like Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield . . . ?" Huh?
    , @Hupa
    "Middle Eastern Americans" wins the day
    , @Olorin
    Maybe because it works as a population genetics strategy?

    I'd say Slavzhkenazim for these two guys, but the ME roots of their meme seems accurate enough. At least judging from how their memecestors started retconning themselves into white Mediterranean culture a good 2300 years ago.

    We wuz slaves, etc.


    Gmirkin argues that the “Hebrew Pentateuch was composed in its entirety about 273 BC by 72 Jewish scholars at Alexandria.”[16] Combining archaeological discoveries with meticulous textual analysis, Gmirkin demonstrates a heavy literary dependence of Genesis on Berossus’s Babyloniaca (278 BC) and Exodus on Manetho’s Aegyptiaca (ca. 285–280 BC), as well as a general reliance of Exodus on literary sources available at Alexandria’s Great Library. Contrary to allegations that Manetho engaged in polemics against the Jews as a response to Exodus, Gmirkin points out that his narrative does not mention the Jews by name, referring instead to a tribe of mixed ethnic origin known as the Hyksos (Egyptian for ‘rulers of foreign countries’). Furthermore, Manetho’s account “displays no awareness of the biblical account,” and “can be demonstrated to have drawn exclusively on native Egyptian sources.”[17]
     
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/01/07/exodus-redux-jewish-identity-and-the-shaping-of-history/ (Andrew Joyce btw)
    , @Wally
    Ben & Jerry, who are Jews First Zionists, are leftist phonies.

    They demand massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe while they support very strict Israeli immigration laws which allow JEWS ONLY.
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  3. Yan Shen says:

    In other words, blacks, Hispanics, and whites once again obsess tirelessly about themselves and about one another! As Ta Nehisi Coates and John Derbyshire prove, it’s all black and white, all the time!

    Meanwhile…

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    "In other words, blacks, Hispanics, and whites once again obsess tirelessly about themselves and about one another! As Ta Nehisi Coates and John Derbyshire prove, it’s all black and white, all the time!"

    Thread winner.
    , @res
    You know you are being a troll when:
    1. Twinkie flags you as one.
    2. Corvinus gives an approving response.
    , @RonaldB
    In a way, you have to feel sorry for the black students.

    They are shoehorned into a school they are clearly unqualified for through affirmative action. They did pretty well at the mostly or completely black high school from which they came, but never had the opportunity to develop real study habits or persistence. They were taught that it was discrimination and lack of opportunity that accounted for the disparities of the black community.

    Now, they are in a good school, and find that they cannot do the work, or even understand the lectures. It's tremendously frustrating for them. They fall back on what they have been told all their lives: their problems stem from discrimination by the white power structure. Their problems can be solved by screaming and marching.

    In a sense, they're right. They are in an environment they are totally unsuited for because of the prejudice of the (white) bureaucracy, that refuses to recognize their real (much lower) level of qualification.
    , @guest
    You obviously have scant little knowledge of the Derb. You need him to make some sort of argument, I'm still not sure why. Something about balancing out the race obsession of black pseudo-intellectuals with equal and opposite white, right-wing race obsession. Which, if you so desired, could be easily accomplished by choosing any number of white intellectuals who are actually obsessed with race.

    Instead, you pick the Derb. Why? I have no idea. Just stop.
    , @MBlanc46
    Vention meets iSteve. Brilliant.
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  4. neutral says:

    Founders Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield

    One needs to make no further comment, this says it all.

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    Founders Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield
     
    One needs to make no further comment, this says it all.
     
    Well, maybe adding ☞ (((brackets))) to add a little extra emphasis.
    , @Rifleman

    Ben & Jerry’s (a Unilever brand since 2000) founders Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield were both born in increasingly diverse Brooklyn in 1951.

    They chose to move in 1978 to Burlington, Vermont, 45 miles south of the Canadian border. Why? For roughly the same reason Brooklyn-born Bernie Sanders had moved to Burlington a decade before: Vermont’s Diversity!
     
    Do we know who actually wrote those articles on the Ben and Jerry website. I'm not bothering with the link but the assumption is two rich, racially hypocritical Jews wrote it as part of an attempt to vilify the goyim.

    Maybe they agree with it but who wrote it and put it up on that site?

    Howard Schultz is similar. Billionaire "anti-racist" Jew who nonetheless claims it is antisemitic to oppose illegal Jewish settlements on the West Bank.

    So its Jewish ethnocentric entitlement and self deception working in tandem with their aggressive vilification of the goyim (Wasps, White America, Europeans).

    This is deeply rooted in Jewish culture to the point that I think it is genetic. It has been selected for in the Jewish tradition.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    What's that saying? Oh yeah. Every, single, time!
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  5. I’d like to see similar charts for Rhodesia/Zimbabwe for the past 40 years.

    We may be evil blue-eyed devils, but at least we keep ze trains running on time …

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Tobacco production in Rhodesia is now back to normal under black ownership. It fell catastrophically in the immediate aftermath of seizing white property but now after a few years of adjustment black farmers have learned how to be productive too. So much for the super white farmer myth.
    , @gem
    So where is Ben & Jerry's chart of wealth dispersion based on religion, i.e. Christian vs. Jew, compared to population proportion?
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  6. fnn says:

    Libertarian Realist on Jewish privilege:

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  7. Twinkie says:

    Ben & Jerry made a big deal about being hippie local ice cream makers and then sold out to a conglomerate. Typical left wing hypocrites.

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    • Replies: @Clyde

    Ben & Jerry made a big deal about being hippie local ice cream makers and then sold out to a conglomerate. Typical left wing hypocrites.
     
    Ben & Jerry are retired, living in some white enclave, and living the high life of multimillionaires. Neither of them wrote this anti-racism piece which was obviously placed there for marketing reasons. Image reasons, even though the lefty hippie founders are long gone. This was likely written by some recent college grad SJW type who was paid a pittance.
    I have never touched their greasy fatty blend which must hit the spot when you are high on marijuana.
    , @Moses
    I'm a marketer. Cohen and Greenfield were operators.

    I'm convinced all the "Vermont Hippie" stuff was manufactured marketing brilliance. It was just too good to be a coincidence or luck. Highly memorable with a clear personality that supported their "super-premium" pricing and positioning. Miles of free press. "1% of profits for peace" was also brilliant marketing. They co-opted leftism and hippie brands brilliantly.

    They were "local this" and "sustainable that" and "values not profits" then, as Twink points out, they cashed out completely to a giant international corporation.

    Ask them how much of their wealth they shared with blacks.

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Ben & Jerry made a big deal about being hippie local ice cream makers and then sold out to a conglomerate. Typical left wing hypocrites.
     
    Yes, but they can reacquire their Hippie bona fides by pretending to be woke on the internet from their servant-staffed yachts in the Caribbean.
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  8. dearieme says:

    It’s not OK to buy Ben & Jerry’s.

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  9. Dr. X says:

    So, if Cohen and Greenfield are insinuating that it’s wrong for a particular racial group to control a disproportionate amount of wealth, then it logically follows that…

    http://takimag.com/article/jewish_wealth_by_the_numbers_steve_sailer/print#axzz4yJEKKWT0

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    So, if Cohen and Greenfield are insinuating that it’s wrong.....
     
    Wha? You actually think they wrote this unsigned piece? Highly doubtful.
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  10. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    I'd like to see similar charts for Rhodesia/Zimbabwe for the past 40 years.

    We may be evil blue-eyed devils, but at least we keep ze trains running on time ...

    Tobacco production in Rhodesia is now back to normal under black ownership. It fell catastrophically in the immediate aftermath of seizing white property but now after a few years of adjustment black farmers have learned how to be productive too. So much for the super white farmer myth.

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    • Replies: @whorefinder
    lol. Oh yes, the history of black sub0saharan africa has been a history of unparalleled cultural acheivement! (/sarcasm).

    Seriously, you leftists keep lying and expecting anyone with an internet connection to believe you. Sad!
    , @TTSSYF
    I might be a successful tobacco farmer, too, if someone handed me a farm seized from its owner and gave me several years to make a go of it. Also -- shouldn't they be cultivating something healthful, rather than cancer-causing tobacco?
    , @Chrisnonymous
    In totally, totally unrelated news...

    Chinese farmers take over former white-owned farms in Zimbabwe to cash in on tobacco

    Chinese farmers have taken over formerly white-owned farms...

    Farms that were badly managed for nearly 20 years, after Robert Mugabe’s mass seizure of white-owned land, are now being worked again in the hope of reaping a potentially huge reward...

    One farm worker in Mvurwi, about 60 miles north of Harare, said there were now plenty of jobs in the district after years of difficulties following the departure of the white landowners. “The Chinese are spending money,” he said...
     
    , @AnotherDad

    Tobacco production in Rhodesia is now back to normal under black ownership.
     
    This would in fact be an oddity given the general mediocrity of blacks relative to whites in organizing agricultural production.

    So I spent one minute pulling up the Wikipedia to look into it and of course ... the story is "more complication". Essentially outsiders are now effectively managing the farms.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_in_Zimbabwe#Recovery

    Whites and Chinese choose the crops, supply the inputs, organize the finances, pay the workers and take the crop. The black owners get paid--i.e. collect the rent due them for being the (hooked up) black that got the redistributed land. It's a mixed system. Blacks are indeed out there driving tractors and producing lots of tobacco. But pretty much all of the higher level decision making on crops and inputs to make it a successful enterprise is being done by non-blacks.
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  11. TangoMan says:

    Why would anyone expect that a newly arrived immigrant family would have the same wealth as a family which has roots in America going back 50 years, 100 years, 200 years? Parents do leave their life’s wealth to their children.

    Why would anyone expect that people who’ve grown up sharing a culture will treat new arrivals as though they belong and deserve a share of wealth and opportunity that their parent’s generation bequeathed to them and not to the new arrivals?

    Immigrants are here as free-riders, stealing from the heritage of those whose ancestors built America to what it is today. I wouldn’t share my parent’s estate with strangers, so why should I share my culture with them?

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    "Why would anyone expect that people who’ve grown up sharing a culture will treat new arrivals as though they belong and deserve a share of wealth and opportunity that their parent’s generation bequeathed to them and not to the new arrivals?"

    Because if the new arrivals are white, they are automatically "one of us". You know, "our kind of people", right?

    "Immigrants are here as free-riders, stealing from the heritage of those whose ancestors built America to what it is today. I wouldn’t share my parent’s estate with strangers, so why should I share my culture with them"?

    For the love of God, it's not your culture, it's our culture, one forged by a wide range of racial and ethnic groups. Furthermore, remember that those "ancestors" you refer to were also derided and devalued by nativists when they first arrived.

    https://hti.osu.edu/opper/lesson-plans/immigration/images/looking-backward
    , @TheUmpteenthGermanOnHere
    "I wouldn’t share my parent’s estate with strangers, so why should I share my culture with them?"
    This I don't get. First of all, it's not a matter of whether you should. If you would rather not, then you don't.
    But in contrast to estate sharing, cultural sharing seems to be a very natural activity for humans to engage in. Modern musical genres are almost exclusively hybrid forms. And even something that is indeed white in ethnic origin - classical, church and marching band music -, both once served an ancillary role in unifying nations that were much less homogeneous than they are now and ultimately merged with other traditions into new forms like jazz.
    Oh, and the music links on this blog pretty rarely feature anything classical.
    So I guess I don't get by what definition culture isn't that which - as opposed to property and power - we share most easily.
    And most productively, too.
    , @Anonymous
    The Ben & Jerry's wealth comparison was with blacks, whose roots in America generally go further back than those who go back 50 years, 100 years, 200 years.
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  12. Mr sir says:

    Well you best have wealth if you stop for a cone at their Burlington shop..

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  13. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Tobacco production in Rhodesia is now back to normal under black ownership. It fell catastrophically in the immediate aftermath of seizing white property but now after a few years of adjustment black farmers have learned how to be productive too. So much for the super white farmer myth.

    lol. Oh yes, the history of black sub0saharan africa has been a history of unparalleled cultural acheivement! (/sarcasm).

    Seriously, you leftists keep lying and expecting anyone with an internet connection to believe you. Sad!

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  14. Note: Ben & Jerry’s is not actually betting the company.

    Their new flavor sucks:

    L’Chaim Migration

    In recognition of the Statue of Liberty poem! Grated shards of bitter chocolate are dumped in a huddled mass on a bedrock of vanilla ice cream. Topped with a crunch-tastic cookie time bomb.

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    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    What! No latkes?! I give you a great idea for an ice cream flavor, and this is how you treat me? Think how much you're making off my culture. You can't put just a little latkes in? What am I to you?
    , @bored identity
    It's been a century or so since Americans got fully conditioned about the priorities of their dietary and other habits.

    Cohen & Greenfield's unilevering, fellow traveling predecessors from Tin Pan Alley took care of it in order to tikun olam culturally imperfect goyishe kopfs.

    And they did tremendous job.

    According to McMuffinpedia, one of the biggest contributions of Tin Pan Alley's echo-chambering batch of immigrants with a very special cultural needs, was to be first to specialize in popular songs rather than hymns or classical music .


    So-Called Good Times:

    https://youtu.be/-0pfP_MD6xA


    That Good Times Ain't Comming Back:

    https://youtu.be/xFHG1rnfO8w


    And Now, We Are Here:

    https://youtu.be/7rK3s_BP9kE?t=1m45s
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  15. TTSSYF says:
    @Anonymous
    Tobacco production in Rhodesia is now back to normal under black ownership. It fell catastrophically in the immediate aftermath of seizing white property but now after a few years of adjustment black farmers have learned how to be productive too. So much for the super white farmer myth.

    I might be a successful tobacco farmer, too, if someone handed me a farm seized from its owner and gave me several years to make a go of it. Also — shouldn’t they be cultivating something healthful, rather than cancer-causing tobacco?

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    Why? It's not like people in Zimbabwe are smoking it. Africa is quite hot and smoking isn't that popular. The best agricultural strategy is to grow what earns export income.
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  16. Andy says:

    People’s income depend on how productive they are, how much wealth they create through their work. White people are obviously far more economically productive than African Americans. Interestingly, we do have measures of total productivity of US workers, but not divided by race – perhaps because the bureau of statistics know that this would go against the current narrative.

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  17. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @neutral

    Founders Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield
     
    One needs to make no further comment, this says it all.

    Founders Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield

    One needs to make no further comment, this says it all.

    Well, maybe adding ☞ (((brackets))) to add a little extra emphasis.

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  18. When I think back over my life, I realize that nearly all of the people who have done really nasty things to me have been white.

    I suppose that is largely because I have generally taken care not to live in the parts of town where I am likely to be mugged, shot in a drive-by shooting, etc.

    So… I wonder if maybe we could all refine our model of nasty interactions within and between races:

    A) The people who are most likely to use positions of power to harass, intimidate and exploit other people are white people — I’m thinking of the Clintons, the whole Bush family, Bernanke, Obama, etc, and all their lower level imitators across the nation and among our institutions and bureaucracies.

    B) Most of the victims of these power-hungry abusive whites are also whites — largely because most Americans are white but also because it’s easier for bureaucrats to intimidate Dilbert than to intimidate some gang-banger.

    C) The people who are disproportionately likely to use gross physical violence against their fellow Americans are NAMs.

    D) And the victims of this brutal physical violence are also disproportionately NAMs.

    This is not a rigid taxonomy: the policies promulgated by the exploitative elite do injure NAMs, and nasty street thugs certainly do sometimes attack white people. And there are a handful of token NAMs among the elite and some whites among the street thugs.

    But being explicit about the statistical reality does help us remember that it is not primarily white privilege vs. non-white victims nor is it mainly non-white thugs vs. white victims.

    The fights are largely within the separate races, not between the races.

    Either pretending that it is primarily privileged whites vs. victimized non-whites or pretending that it is primarily non-white thugs vs. middle-class white victims obscures the reality and keeps us from dealing properly with both the vicious elite and the vicious street thugs.

    Of course, the ruling elite does hurt everybody and the street thugs also do hurt everyone, but quantitatively the impacts differ dramatically among the races.

    Anyone want to agree or argue that this is a better way to think of what is happening in our society today? (I suspect that almost everyone who pays attention to modern life basically knows this to be true, but it seems rarely to be spelled out clearly and explicitly.)

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    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    It may be true, but a/ fear of being physically harmed >>>> job/professional related pain; there's a real expectation that one can recover from the latter but the former may result in death/dismemberment even if the odds of getting shit on by your boss > getting jumped by a bunch of thugs and b/ your allies - the people who support you - friends and family, are also from the same groups. You are not defenseless, as it were.
    , @Bitfu
    You make a good point--it reminds me of the Prosecutor's Fallacy.

    Once you get past the Bayesian Analysis, the point of the fallacy is that you have to take the context into account before jumping to a conclusion. In order to properly take that context into account, you have to separate your databases--as you are doing in your comment.

    There is a good write-up at Wikipedia, and also at Conceptstew here http://www.conceptstew.co.uk/pages/prosecutors_fallacy.html
    , @Travis
    you make some great points.

    It also reminded me of an experience my mother had 15 years ago. She was a nurse at a community health Clinic in North Philadelphia, half of her co-workers were Black and 90% of her clients were Black , 10% Puerto Ricans. A Black co-worker invited her over for dinner. When her children came home and sat at the dinner table the first topic of conversation was "What did Whitey do to you today "...this was family tradition , each night at super they discussed the incidences of whites treating them badly. It is surprising they continued with this tradition with my mother (a white women) sitting at the table with them.

    My mother was surprised and related this to story to us. Got me to thinking, I certainly could come home every night and at dinner discuss all the horrible incidences of whites treating me badly each day. It seams almost once per day a white person is rude to me or cuts me off while driving to work etc...
    , @res
    You make some good points, but I think most of your A has to do with opportunity and you really need to look at rates per capita within groups. Your basic argument is similar to the argument that the 60+% whites in the US consume more welfare spending than the 13% blacks. Perhaps true but not terribly meaningful even if so.
    , @Father O'Hara
    What about jews? The vast majority of the harm they do falls on the goyim,whether white ,Asian or NAM.
    , @L Woods
    This is why my sense of white identity is defensive at most. I have no love for my fellow (no echo) white people.
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  19. Ben and Jerry: We must fight against the natural inclination of all human groups and in fact all animal and many plant species to associate with those individuals genetically closest to them.

    Interlocutor: Why is that, again?

    Ben and Jerry: Because you are a racist.

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  20. Well Mr Ben and Mr Jerry, what is the % of the US population that is Jewish and what % of the wealth do they own ? I’m sure that wouldn’t require much research.

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  21. Clyde says:
    @Twinkie
    Ben & Jerry made a big deal about being hippie local ice cream makers and then sold out to a conglomerate. Typical left wing hypocrites.

    Ben & Jerry made a big deal about being hippie local ice cream makers and then sold out to a conglomerate. Typical left wing hypocrites.

    Ben & Jerry are retired, living in some white enclave, and living the high life of multimillionaires. Neither of them wrote this anti-racism piece which was obviously placed there for marketing reasons. Image reasons, even though the lefty hippie founders are long gone. This was likely written by some recent college grad SJW type who was paid a pittance.
    I have never touched their greasy fatty blend which must hit the spot when you are high on marijuana.

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    I have never touched their greasy fatty blend which must hit the spot when you are high on marijuana.
     
    My one vice is ice cream, especially the "super premium" variety (and I have never done any cannabis). All that means is that the ice cream has high butterfat content (as opposed to the cheap kind that taste "airy" because it is devoid of butterfat). I don't buy commercial ice cream anymore, because my wife makes her own.
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  22. TheBoom says:

    It is heartening to learn that Ben & Jerry are dropping the price of their ice cream so that poor blacks can afford it and introducing woke flavors like KFC and Colt 45 so that the bros in the hood can enjoy their ice cream.

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  23. DCThrowback says: • Website
    @PhysicistDave
    When I think back over my life, I realize that nearly all of the people who have done really nasty things to me have been white.

    I suppose that is largely because I have generally taken care not to live in the parts of town where I am likely to be mugged, shot in a drive-by shooting, etc.

    So... I wonder if maybe we could all refine our model of nasty interactions within and between races:

    A) The people who are most likely to use positions of power to harass, intimidate and exploit other people are white people -- I'm thinking of the Clintons, the whole Bush family, Bernanke, Obama, etc, and all their lower level imitators across the nation and among our institutions and bureaucracies.

    B) Most of the victims of these power-hungry abusive whites are also whites -- largely because most Americans are white but also because it's easier for bureaucrats to intimidate Dilbert than to intimidate some gang-banger.

    C) The people who are disproportionately likely to use gross physical violence against their fellow Americans are NAMs.

    D) And the victims of this brutal physical violence are also disproportionately NAMs.


    This is not a rigid taxonomy: the policies promulgated by the exploitative elite do injure NAMs, and nasty street thugs certainly do sometimes attack white people. And there are a handful of token NAMs among the elite and some whites among the street thugs.

    But being explicit about the statistical reality does help us remember that it is not primarily white privilege vs. non-white victims nor is it mainly non-white thugs vs. white victims.

    The fights are largely within the separate races, not between the races.

    Either pretending that it is primarily privileged whites vs. victimized non-whites or pretending that it is primarily non-white thugs vs. middle-class white victims obscures the reality and keeps us from dealing properly with both the vicious elite and the vicious street thugs.

    Of course, the ruling elite does hurt everybody and the street thugs also do hurt everyone, but quantitatively the impacts differ dramatically among the races.

    Anyone want to agree or argue that this is a better way to think of what is happening in our society today? (I suspect that almost everyone who pays attention to modern life basically knows this to be true, but it seems rarely to be spelled out clearly and explicitly.)

    It may be true, but a/ fear of being physically harmed >>>> job/professional related pain; there’s a real expectation that one can recover from the latter but the former may result in death/dismemberment even if the odds of getting shit on by your boss > getting jumped by a bunch of thugs and b/ your allies – the people who support you – friends and family, are also from the same groups. You are not defenseless, as it were.

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  24. Clyde says:
    @Dr. X
    So, if Cohen and Greenfield are insinuating that it's wrong for a particular racial group to control a disproportionate amount of wealth, then it logically follows that...

    http://takimag.com/article/jewish_wealth_by_the_numbers_steve_sailer/print#axzz4yJEKKWT0

    So, if Cohen and Greenfield are insinuating that it’s wrong…..

    Wha? You actually think they wrote this unsigned piece? Highly doubtful.

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  25. AndrewR says:

    Let’s brainstorm ways of permanently abolishing Jewish Privilege, which, for reasons I cannot begin to grasp, Ben and Jerry’s somehow neglected to mention.

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  26. Funny you should say this. A couple of years ago we took the Ben and Jerry’s factory tour in Waterbury, Vermont. When we came to the free sample room at the end, the guide informed us that their new flavor, that we were privileged to be the first to try, was called “Broccoli and Cheddar Chunk.” He pointed to a tabletop sign reading “Today’s Sample: Broccoli and Cheddar Chunk: Broccoli ice cream with kidney bean chunks and a cheddar swirl.” People looked uneasy, and then the guide turned the sign around to reveal notice of something a little more appetizing on the other side. Ha ha! It was just a joke, you see?

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  27. Romanian says: • Website

    Since when are Whites 77% of the population when immigrants and their children are almost 20%? Once the Middle Eastern census category is adopted,I would be surprised if Whites do not fall below 58%.

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    Well obviously we have immigrants from all over. One of my best friends is the son of Swiss immigrants, my brother-in-law is Czech, and one of our closest family friends married an Irish guy. All of them are whiter than a Romanian ;)

    But that 77% probably includes a lot of Conquistador-Americans and mestizos, whose behavior, genotypes, phenotypes and self-identification run the gamut. I would also remind you that Donald J Trump is the son of an immigrant, albeit obviously a pre-1965 one.

    If the census rolls out a new category for our Semitic and Semiticized friends, it will be interesting to see how many of them will continue to identify as white. Many middle-eastern Christians hate being lumped in with Moslems but some of these people have hang-ups about race in the American context.

    , @George
    Since when are Whites 77% of the population when immigrants and their children are almost 20%?

    For Ben &Jerry it is always 1968.
    , @Lurker
    Yes, my understanding is the white percentage of the US population has not been at or above 77% for some time.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Since when are Whites 77% of the population when immigrants and their children are almost 20%?
     
    Sometimes these figures refer to the whole population, sometimes just to the segment at hand, e.g., adult, voting, working... So of course they'd differ.
    , @Travis
    many immigrants and their children identify as white. The 77% number includes most hispanics and many immigrants.

    if they excludes Hispanic whites like Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Geraldo Rivera , George Zimmerman, then the number would be far lower....most of the 55 million Hispanics living in the USA identify as white....the percentage of Non-Hispanic Whites in America is 61%, according to the US census.

    it would be interesting to see how much wealth Asian Americans have....They are 6% of the US population and are 50% more likely to have a college degree than White Americans. 55% of Asians have a college degree verse just 36% of White Americans...on average Asians earn 10% more than whites in America...
    , @Perspective
    Since when are Whites 77% of the population when immigrants and their children are almost 20%?

    About 35 years ago. They probably just counted all Hispanics as White, which would equal about 77 percent.
    , @Lucas McCrudy
    Per the last census: the US was **technically** 72% white- so the 77% figure truly is bogus. I say technically b/c the non-Hispanic category was about 66% (and that includes Semites who are about 3% of pop.) Granted if you include Conquistor-Americans you might get a figure in the high 60s, but even in 2000 whites were *technically** (once again, including Armenians, Semites, Hispanics who in many cases have more than just trace amounts of Amerindian blood, etc) only 75% of pop.
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  28. One of my favourite B-School papers in the early ’90s, when B&J stock was not doing very much, posited that the smartest thing Messers Ben & Jerry could do would be to find some greater fool to buy them out both to free them to focus on the things they love more than running a public company as well as to provide deeper pockets to buy a corporate megaphone that would be the force multiplier to promote their causes. My Prof wasn’t very impressed at the time, but my grade didn’t suffer as much back then as it might now,

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  29. AndrewR says:
    @Romanian
    Since when are Whites 77% of the population when immigrants and their children are almost 20%? Once the Middle Eastern census category is adopted,I would be surprised if Whites do not fall below 58%.

    Well obviously we have immigrants from all over. One of my best friends is the son of Swiss immigrants, my brother-in-law is Czech, and one of our closest family friends married an Irish guy. All of them are whiter than a Romanian ;)

    But that 77% probably includes a lot of Conquistador-Americans and mestizos, whose behavior, genotypes, phenotypes and self-identification run the gamut. I would also remind you that Donald J Trump is the son of an immigrant, albeit obviously a pre-1965 one.

    If the census rolls out a new category for our Semitic and Semiticized friends, it will be interesting to see how many of them will continue to identify as white. Many middle-eastern Christians hate being lumped in with Moslems but some of these people have hang-ups about race in the American context.

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    Of course, Steve Sailer has referenced numerous times how few actual Europeans migrate to the US, as a percentage of the total intake. I cannot tell how much is discrimination and how much is the lack of a reason to migrate (in the case of Western Euros). And I doubt these immigrants are having many kids.

    So, whether your personal social circle is a League of Nations in miniature is immaterial to the fact that a lot of those immigrants will not be European Europeans and only the Conquistadors will have near total European ancestry and I'm not exactly sure how many of the Hispanics are actual Conquistadors, since you do not collect such data. I seem to recall an argument that Mexico is much better now at retaining its lighter hued middle class and elites and it is the mestizos and indios who migrate, with obvious exceptions.

    Should "white at school" Rihanna be considered White? There is obviously a continuum and countries that are off-White, but where do you draw the line and how much of that is less about being Nordic White than being culturally in the group with no foot outside in some secondary identity asserting itself in opposition to the majority (the ultra clannish groups and the grievance addicts).

    Again, the 77% quoted is nonsense on stilts and that was my objection.

    I look forward to the day when, like my Irish brethren before me, I too will be upgraded to White! Though, since I am not, nor will be, a USAian, I just have to be White enough for my part of the world. Given the growth of certain already indigenous elements, I feel that the inevitable regional deflation (as in the opposite of inflation) of Whiteness will heighten my natural pallor by contrast, without having to pull a Sammy Sosa. /iSteve singularity

    PS Here, have your wallet back ;)
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  30. Imagine if they conducted a similar study on Jews vs non- Jews. Or don’t! Have some ice cream!

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  31. @whorefinder
    P.S.

    I love being lectured by sugar-milk makers on how evil I am.

    P.P.S.

    Why do Middle Eastern Americans like Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield have such a intrinsic, illogical hatred of European Americans, and an irrational desire to blame them for everyone's problems?

    “Why do Middle Eastern Americans like Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield . . . ?” Huh?

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  32. DPG says:

    I’m reading this on the toilet at work and started chuckling out loud.

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  33. BozoB says:

    I suppose “chutzpah” will do, but sometimes I wish we had a word for this phenomenon, that is, the guilt-tripping by Jews of whites for things that Jews themselves surpass whites on. Messrs. Cohen and Greenfield go out of their way to deplore the wealth of “whites”; somehow it never occurs to them to look at the wealth of Jews. The most glaring example of this that I can recall is this article from the New York Times last year, “What It’s Like to Work in Hollywood (if you’re not a straight white man)”. Guess which word never once appears in it. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/24/arts/hollywood-diversity-inclusion.html?_r=0

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  34. Bitfu says:
    @PhysicistDave
    When I think back over my life, I realize that nearly all of the people who have done really nasty things to me have been white.

    I suppose that is largely because I have generally taken care not to live in the parts of town where I am likely to be mugged, shot in a drive-by shooting, etc.

    So... I wonder if maybe we could all refine our model of nasty interactions within and between races:

    A) The people who are most likely to use positions of power to harass, intimidate and exploit other people are white people -- I'm thinking of the Clintons, the whole Bush family, Bernanke, Obama, etc, and all their lower level imitators across the nation and among our institutions and bureaucracies.

    B) Most of the victims of these power-hungry abusive whites are also whites -- largely because most Americans are white but also because it's easier for bureaucrats to intimidate Dilbert than to intimidate some gang-banger.

    C) The people who are disproportionately likely to use gross physical violence against their fellow Americans are NAMs.

    D) And the victims of this brutal physical violence are also disproportionately NAMs.


    This is not a rigid taxonomy: the policies promulgated by the exploitative elite do injure NAMs, and nasty street thugs certainly do sometimes attack white people. And there are a handful of token NAMs among the elite and some whites among the street thugs.

    But being explicit about the statistical reality does help us remember that it is not primarily white privilege vs. non-white victims nor is it mainly non-white thugs vs. white victims.

    The fights are largely within the separate races, not between the races.

    Either pretending that it is primarily privileged whites vs. victimized non-whites or pretending that it is primarily non-white thugs vs. middle-class white victims obscures the reality and keeps us from dealing properly with both the vicious elite and the vicious street thugs.

    Of course, the ruling elite does hurt everybody and the street thugs also do hurt everyone, but quantitatively the impacts differ dramatically among the races.

    Anyone want to agree or argue that this is a better way to think of what is happening in our society today? (I suspect that almost everyone who pays attention to modern life basically knows this to be true, but it seems rarely to be spelled out clearly and explicitly.)

    You make a good point–it reminds me of the Prosecutor’s Fallacy.

    Once you get past the Bayesian Analysis, the point of the fallacy is that you have to take the context into account before jumping to a conclusion. In order to properly take that context into account, you have to separate your databases–as you are doing in your comment.

    There is a good write-up at Wikipedia, and also at Conceptstew here http://www.conceptstew.co.uk/pages/prosecutors_fallacy.html

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  35. Speaking of RACISM!!!!!…….

    The open and deliberate policy of importing the highly racialized high fertility nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc so that they can vote The Historic Native Born White American Majority Working Class into a White Racial Minority-White Racial Foreigner within the borders of America is a HATE CRIME!!! against Native White Folks…..Some of us believe that this is biological warfare against Our People…..

    Throw the RACISM charge back at The Democratic Party Donor Class….

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  36. George says:
    @Romanian
    Since when are Whites 77% of the population when immigrants and their children are almost 20%? Once the Middle Eastern census category is adopted,I would be surprised if Whites do not fall below 58%.

    Since when are Whites 77% of the population when immigrants and their children are almost 20%?

    For Ben &Jerry it is always 1968.

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  37. ic1000 says:

    > Think about this: while median wealth for a single white woman in the US is $41,000, the median wealth for a black woman is $100. And for single Latinas it’s $120. That’s almost unbelievable—and it’s a huge racial-justice issue.

    I promise to listen attentively to Ben’s and Jerry’s social justice lecture once they’ve met my standards for probity. That means that each of them renounces their membership in the 1% by separating from their excess wealth. They may donate it anonymously to the Salvation Army or burn it in a barrel, I don’t care which.

    Their families may each keep $41,000, split among cash, checking account, personal possessions, and real estate.

    Perhaps Ben and Jerry should be entitled to a different amount. The wealth of the median white male? Of the median Vermonter? Of the median white entrepreneur? Of the median white entrepreneur who risked everything, sacrificed, took great risks, and worked long hours to achieve success in business?

    Sorry, I got carried away. At any rate, I’m open to negotiation on that point.

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    I can identify with Ben and Jerry. My parents had nothing-burger jobs, mother an elementary school-teacher, my father a merchant seaman. Only child. So growing up you ask yourself what can I do to make a living. This is a bedrock starting point. Ben & Jerry younger than I grew up presumably with the same starting point. I was just me. They were friends and so collaborated on this existential problem. Vermont in those hippy days was an option. They took it and wound up opening an ice-cream store in Burlington. The rest you know. They grew a righteous business in the great American tradition and ultimately sold out to a conglomerate. As for their SJW opinions, hey it's a free country. Surely if they got their just desserts, it would be more that $41K in the bank each.
    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    Think about this: while median wealth for a single white woman in the US is $41,000, the median wealth for a black woman is $100. And for single Latinas it’s $120. That’s almost unbelievable—and it’s a huge racial-justice issue.
     
    I promise to listen attentively to Ben’s and Jerry’s social justice lecture once they’ve met my standards for probity. That means that each of them renounces their membership in the 1% by separating from their excess wealth. They may donate it anonymously to the Salvation Army or burn it in a barrel, I don’t care which.
     
    What's funny is that we all know we could sell giant 3 carat gold hoop earrings for between $100-120 to the blacks and latinas and they'd give you their bottom dollars for the bling-bling.

    The things you have to do in life to accumulate financial security are just the sort of corny things that blacks and latinos eschew. The agitators seem to think that NAMs skipping these steps to financial security is some sort of collateral issue rather than the main issue.
    , @Anon
    Liberals do not understand how poor people view money. The poor think it's something you spend, not something you keep. The poor are poor because they are a pool of people with lousy impulse control and a strong need for gratification. If they have money, it does make them feel good, but they they feel a lot better, in a Skinnerian sense, when they buy something with it. Therefore, cash is immediately spent on goodies. A lot of people have a nervous system that is hard-wired like this.

    Northeast WASP liberals, who are the descendants of the self-denying Puritans, absolutely do not have any understanding of this. Their own impulse is to save money because its possession makes them feel secure. They feel their best when they're at their most secure. The poor feel their best when they're blowing it all in a frenzied, orgasmic binge. That binge is everything to the poor. Achieving it is the most important thing in their life, and it's the only goal they have. White liberals do NOT understand that there is a fundamental difference between the way the upper-middle class feels and the way the poor feel when it comes to their neural wiring regarding gratification. And this difference is genetically based. It's not something you can easily change with behavior modification lessons.

    If you hand the average black woman or Latina $41,000 in cash, they're going to spend it to the hilt on clothes, makeup, jewelry, and hair salons. They don't intend to save it for retirement. They don't think that far ahead because of their low IQs and the shorter time horizon a low IQ gives you, and if your remind them of old age, they don't care. Their whole attitude is that you spend money whenever you get it, and life on earth is meant to be partied away, and who cares what happens decades down the line?

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  38. ic1000 says:

    > Think about this: … for single Latinas, [median wealth is] $120. That’s almost unbelievable—and it’s a huge racial-justice issue.

    It’s almost as if poor people living in countries with low per-capita GDP don’t accumulate much wealth. And it’s almost as if moving to a high per-capita GDP country doesn’t make you all that much wealthier. (Especially if you choose to remit some of your earnings to loved ones back home.)

    Crazy notion: if the U.S. aspires to be a less-glaringly-unequal society, perhaps it should stop welcoming poor and low human-capital immigrants? Perhaps it should reverse long-standing policies that drive down wages for low-skill jobs, like Scooper?

    On second thought, that would be hard work. Better to follow the racial-justice diktats of New Gilded Age barons, whatever they may be.

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  39. Unilever has no problem with this? Maybe the Ben & Jerry’s market doesn’t mind, but consumers of other Unilever products might be offended.

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  40. Moses says:
    @Twinkie
    Ben & Jerry made a big deal about being hippie local ice cream makers and then sold out to a conglomerate. Typical left wing hypocrites.

    I’m a marketer. Cohen and Greenfield were operators.

    I’m convinced all the “Vermont Hippie” stuff was manufactured marketing brilliance. It was just too good to be a coincidence or luck. Highly memorable with a clear personality that supported their “super-premium” pricing and positioning. Miles of free press. “1% of profits for peace” was also brilliant marketing. They co-opted leftism and hippie brands brilliantly.

    They were “local this” and “sustainable that” and “values not profits” then, as Twink points out, they cashed out completely to a giant international corporation.

    Ask them how much of their wealth they shared with blacks.

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    A certain set of people have perfected the art of saying they get rich by making their money in a cool, ethical, or admirable way, while actually making it in a less glamorous or less moral way. Messrs Cohen and Greenfield are good exemplars of how good this group is at BSing an inattentive and naive public.

    I've also noticed that they even named their company after their first names instead of their surnames to make it less obvious. Other companies that name themselves after a founder always use the founder's surname.
    , @Brutusale
    There's no business in America more protective of their brand than the State of Vermont. Funny thing is the fact that so many (((business people))) there are from New York.

    I think the only Christians I dealt with in the Green Mountain State were buyers at the old IBM facility in Essex Junction!
    , @Prof. Woland
    Both LL Bean and Lands End project a very upscale New England 'white' image. They use POC models but when they do, they are generally very light skinned mulattos or Asians. You don't see a lot of beaners on LL Bean.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    I grew up near Burlington, VT, and right at the the time Ben and Jerry's was founded. They used to give you free ice cream on your birthday, and I still have a Ben and Jerry's card with my birthday written on it in pink ink. The card says it is good at any Ben and Jerry's shop "...FOREVER!!!" although I suspect if I tried to use it now, I couldn't get any free ice cream...

    Anyhow, they were kind of the original Starbucks--that is, authentically trying to strike a balance between profits and "social responsibility." Like Starbucks, they tend to fall on the side of profits, but their image was true in the early days. Burlington was a hippie town, and Ben and Jerry's used to be at least as authentically Burlington as Bernie Sanders.

    They initially rebuffed offers by Unilever and refused to meet with Unilever's CEO at the time. His name escapes me, but he was a "Third Way" executive, a red Commie using a company to exert influence on the world. He had grown up as an anti-establishment hippie, and this shared history of the 60s experience is supposedly what broke the ice between him and Jerry and Ben. He promised to keep the company agitating, so they agreed to sell out.

    Contra the other commenter, they didn't choose their first names for the company to hide their (((last names))). Burlington was a small town full of hippies and Jews. Everybody knew them and nobody cared. Their first names reflect the relaxed atmosphere of the original company (which atmosphere is gone from their shops now).
    , @Karl
    39 Moses > all the “Vermont Hippie” stuff was manufactured marketing brilliance


    I hate to mangle an original quote from a white guy, but i'm telling you that no one ever went broke by grabbing onto some white-guy workmanlike product , and then going on steroids with the NY-Jew marketing PR stunts.

    It's how Hollywood works, and it's how Vermont works.

    We will never (?) know how much whiter-than-white Vermont pussy Ben & Jerry got, back in the day..... it works in Hollywood, and it works in Vermont.
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  41. Arclight says:

    So many obvious things to point out…but let’s start with the statistic about ‘families.’ What percentage of white families include a married two earner household versus that of Latinos or blacks?

    Or has anyone looked at consumer spending patterns and credit usage? Guess which group tends to be the worst when it comes to racking up consumer debt? Or which group is more likely to spend money on visible high-status consumer goods than another even at the same income level? Who tends to own homes in stable neighborhoods versus those that see little appreciation?

    I often find that the most ardent racially progressive whites are those who have the least amount of life experience in close contact with the people whose cause they champion.

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    Nicewhites would be surprised by the high quality of the beverages drunk from the empty bottles which I pick up from my front lawn here in Diversitopia.

    Hennessy Cognac and Remy Martin seem to be the favorite drinks of the poor and disadvantaged (they get their food for free via EBT cards, so have more disposable income available for necessities).
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  42. Yeah, it seems there’s still a little something called systemic racism—and it’s real.

    Actually, they’re right. There is a form of systemic racism. It’s called Nature (or genetics).

    Blacks have a lower average IQ than whites, who have a slightly lower average IQ than NE Asians who have a lower average IQ than Ashkenazi Jews (Cohen and Greenfield).

    Income and wealth statistics will flow from this.

    Of course, other biological traits will also influence those numbers as will culture (nurture), but my bet is that IQ is a primary factor in income and wealth – especially since other good behavioral traits are highly correlated with IQ.

    (It’s too bad someone can’t look at wealth and income while controlling for IQ. That would be a fascinating study. I suppose controlling for education would be a decent – though not perfect – proxy.)

    Of course, there’s also a systemic racism that keeps whites and Asians from competing in the 100 m dash finals in the Olympics or becoming starting cornnerbacks in the NFL. But that kind of systemic racism is OK because it hurts whites, and anything that hurts whites is good.

    As you can see, the Ben and Jerry’s doesn’t really have a problem with systemic racism. No, they have a problem with systemic racism that helps whites, i.e. their real problem is that they don’t like whites – except Goodwhites like themselves.

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  43. Corvinus says:
    @Yan Shen
    In other words, blacks, Hispanics, and whites once again obsess tirelessly about themselves and about one another! As Ta Nehisi Coates and John Derbyshire prove, it's all black and white, all the time!

    Meanwhile...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHhy2Gk_xik

    “In other words, blacks, Hispanics, and whites once again obsess tirelessly about themselves and about one another! As Ta Nehisi Coates and John Derbyshire prove, it’s all black and white, all the time!”

    Thread winner.

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  44. Sandmich says:

    I notice on that first chart that there’s no break-out for other racial groups (or they have the very loosest definition of “white”, which oddly enough I’m okay with); guessing that would spoil their narrative.

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  45. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    God made people and made them the way they are. The Jews have a problem with God and the natural order of things not with individuals and their fears and dislikes.

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  46. Vinay says:

    Wait, Steve sees a graph showing whites with 90 percent of the wealth and doesn’t feel the urge to tease out the percentage for non-Hispanic non-Jewish Whites? Seems very uncharacteristic!

    Also, the constant hammering on Jewish overrepresentation seems somewhat bigoted but there’s nothing particularly wrong with seeing how certain subgroups of whites are doing. Non-Hispanic non-Jewish Whites is obviously interesting since that’s pretty much what people mean when they talk about “whites”. Evangelicals would be another pretty coherent and natural subgroup.

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  47. “In the 1980 Census, Vermont was 0.2% black and 0.6% Latina.”

    In the mid-80s, Ebony had an article on “the whitest state in the nation” (Vermont). The author recounted (among other things) a young boy using the n-word to him in the most casual and friendly way. I remember thinking at the time that the boy probably liked rap music (which is where he even heard the word), but had never actually met a Black person before…

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  48. Anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @ic1000
    > Think about this: while median wealth for a single white woman in the US is $41,000, the median wealth for a black woman is $100. And for single Latinas it’s $120. That’s almost unbelievable—and it’s a huge racial-justice issue.

    I promise to listen attentively to Ben's and Jerry's social justice lecture once they've met my standards for probity. That means that each of them renounces their membership in the 1% by separating from their excess wealth. They may donate it anonymously to the Salvation Army or burn it in a barrel, I don't care which.

    Their families may each keep $41,000, split among cash, checking account, personal possessions, and real estate.

    Perhaps Ben and Jerry should be entitled to a different amount. The wealth of the median white male? Of the median Vermonter? Of the median white entrepreneur? Of the median white entrepreneur who risked everything, sacrificed, took great risks, and worked long hours to achieve success in business?

    Sorry, I got carried away. At any rate, I'm open to negotiation on that point.

    I can identify with Ben and Jerry. My parents had nothing-burger jobs, mother an elementary school-teacher, my father a merchant seaman. Only child. So growing up you ask yourself what can I do to make a living. This is a bedrock starting point. Ben & Jerry younger than I grew up presumably with the same starting point. I was just me. They were friends and so collaborated on this existential problem. Vermont in those hippy days was an option. They took it and wound up opening an ice-cream store in Burlington. The rest you know. They grew a righteous business in the great American tradition and ultimately sold out to a conglomerate. As for their SJW opinions, hey it’s a free country. Surely if they got their just desserts, it would be more that $41K in the bank each.

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  49. @Twinkie
    Ben & Jerry made a big deal about being hippie local ice cream makers and then sold out to a conglomerate. Typical left wing hypocrites.

    Ben & Jerry made a big deal about being hippie local ice cream makers and then sold out to a conglomerate. Typical left wing hypocrites.

    Yes, but they can reacquire their Hippie bona fides by pretending to be woke on the internet from their servant-staffed yachts in the Caribbean.

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    Yes, but they can reacquire their Hippie bona fides by pretending to be woke on the internet from their servant-staffed yachts in the Caribbean.
     
    We are not racists - our servants on the yachts are all white!
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  50. Yak-15 says:

    By what tally is America still 77 pct white?

    These graphs are very stupid. Who will see this and not think past the simple stats? Why not include Asians, Hispanics or Jews?

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  51. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Note: Ben & Jerry's is not actually betting the company.
     
    Their new flavor sucks:

    L’Chaim Migration

    In recognition of the Statue of Liberty poem! Grated shards of bitter chocolate are dumped in a huddled mass on a bedrock of vanilla ice cream. Topped with a crunch-tastic cookie time bomb.
     

    What! No latkes?! I give you a great idea for an ice cream flavor, and this is how you treat me? Think how much you’re making off my culture. You can’t put just a little latkes in? What am I to you?

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  52. Corvinus says:
    @TangoMan
    Why would anyone expect that a newly arrived immigrant family would have the same wealth as a family which has roots in America going back 50 years, 100 years, 200 years? Parents do leave their life's wealth to their children.

    Why would anyone expect that people who've grown up sharing a culture will treat new arrivals as though they belong and deserve a share of wealth and opportunity that their parent's generation bequeathed to them and not to the new arrivals?

    Immigrants are here as free-riders, stealing from the heritage of those whose ancestors built America to what it is today. I wouldn't share my parent's estate with strangers, so why should I share my culture with them?

    “Why would anyone expect that people who’ve grown up sharing a culture will treat new arrivals as though they belong and deserve a share of wealth and opportunity that their parent’s generation bequeathed to them and not to the new arrivals?”

    Because if the new arrivals are white, they are automatically “one of us”. You know, “our kind of people”, right?

    “Immigrants are here as free-riders, stealing from the heritage of those whose ancestors built America to what it is today. I wouldn’t share my parent’s estate with strangers, so why should I share my culture with them”?

    For the love of God, it’s not your culture, it’s our culture, one forged by a wide range of racial and ethnic groups. Furthermore, remember that those “ancestors” you refer to were also derided and devalued by nativists when they first arrived.

    https://hti.osu.edu/opper/lesson-plans/immigration/images/looking-backward

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    For the love of God, it’s not your culture, it’s our culture, one forged by a wide range of racial and ethnic groups. Furthermore, remember that those “ancestors” you refer to were also derided and devalued by nativists when they first arrived.
     
    No. The core American culture that spawned its institutions both political and cultural was a combination of emigres from the British Isles and ethnic Germans. Other groups have contributed here and there over time but the core is the home nations and ethic Germans.

    Can you really say with a straight face that The United States would have become the United States had the East Coast originally been a colony of Italy or Portugal?
    , @Lurker
    So when non-whites bleat about cultural appropriation we can take it that its not their culture either?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Furthermore, remember that those “ancestors” you refer to were also derided and devalued by nativists when they first arrived.
     
    For lowering their wages. Seems reasonable to me, then and now.

    But you side with the robber barons.
    , @Samuel Skinner

    Furthermore, remember that those “ancestors” you refer to were also derided and devalued by nativists when they first arrived.
     
    I'm pretty sure the nativists were right. Remember how England and Ireland are seperate countries? America is like that x10 even before nonwhite immigration.
    , @Mr. Anon

    For the love of God, it’s not your culture, it’s our culture, one forged by a wide range of racial and ethnic groups.
     
    I recognize no "we" that includes "you", no "ours" that includes "yours". F**k your culture, you tool.
    , @TangoMan
    For the love of God, it’s not your culture, it’s our culture

    For the love of God, it’s not your marriage my dear, it’s our marriage and I've decided to bring another woman into our marriage. Get used to it.

    Your formulation works like a charm.
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  53. The Z Blog says: • Website

    Back in the middle of the Obama reign, Ken Burns went on a rant about how white people suck because racism. I went into the comments and pointed out that Ken Burns moved from diverse New York City to an all white town on the Vermont – New Hampshire border. I also found a pic of the local high school basketball team that was remarkably white.

    The ensuing frenzy of responses from the Prog readers was hilarious.

    As an aside, I’ve often thought that a guy like Richard Spencer should start talking about how the alt-right is going to move to Vermont, because it is already a white ethno-state. That would make for some good times.

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    Vermont was a pretty close race, wasn't it?
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Better yet, the alt-right should, really move to Vermont! Spencer can blare "How Great Thou Art" from the steeples of all those early-American church buildings.
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  54. Travis says:
    @PhysicistDave
    When I think back over my life, I realize that nearly all of the people who have done really nasty things to me have been white.

    I suppose that is largely because I have generally taken care not to live in the parts of town where I am likely to be mugged, shot in a drive-by shooting, etc.

    So... I wonder if maybe we could all refine our model of nasty interactions within and between races:

    A) The people who are most likely to use positions of power to harass, intimidate and exploit other people are white people -- I'm thinking of the Clintons, the whole Bush family, Bernanke, Obama, etc, and all their lower level imitators across the nation and among our institutions and bureaucracies.

    B) Most of the victims of these power-hungry abusive whites are also whites -- largely because most Americans are white but also because it's easier for bureaucrats to intimidate Dilbert than to intimidate some gang-banger.

    C) The people who are disproportionately likely to use gross physical violence against their fellow Americans are NAMs.

    D) And the victims of this brutal physical violence are also disproportionately NAMs.


    This is not a rigid taxonomy: the policies promulgated by the exploitative elite do injure NAMs, and nasty street thugs certainly do sometimes attack white people. And there are a handful of token NAMs among the elite and some whites among the street thugs.

    But being explicit about the statistical reality does help us remember that it is not primarily white privilege vs. non-white victims nor is it mainly non-white thugs vs. white victims.

    The fights are largely within the separate races, not between the races.

    Either pretending that it is primarily privileged whites vs. victimized non-whites or pretending that it is primarily non-white thugs vs. middle-class white victims obscures the reality and keeps us from dealing properly with both the vicious elite and the vicious street thugs.

    Of course, the ruling elite does hurt everybody and the street thugs also do hurt everyone, but quantitatively the impacts differ dramatically among the races.

    Anyone want to agree or argue that this is a better way to think of what is happening in our society today? (I suspect that almost everyone who pays attention to modern life basically knows this to be true, but it seems rarely to be spelled out clearly and explicitly.)

    you make some great points.

    It also reminded me of an experience my mother had 15 years ago. She was a nurse at a community health Clinic in North Philadelphia, half of her co-workers were Black and 90% of her clients were Black , 10% Puerto Ricans. A Black co-worker invited her over for dinner. When her children came home and sat at the dinner table the first topic of conversation was “What did Whitey do to you today “…this was family tradition , each night at super they discussed the incidences of whites treating them badly. It is surprising they continued with this tradition with my mother (a white women) sitting at the table with them.

    My mother was surprised and related this to story to us. Got me to thinking, I certainly could come home every night and at dinner discuss all the horrible incidences of whites treating me badly each day. It seams almost once per day a white person is rude to me or cuts me off while driving to work etc…

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    In ghettos, blacks go entire days without ever encountering anyone who's white, except for maybe some Indian guy who owns the corner store. Ghetto blacks have almost no white racism to complain about. Even the teachers in their schools and welfare offices are black.
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  55. According to one study, white families hold 90% of the national wealth,

    This needs to be broken down. I bet if you exclude the top 10% of families, whites and blacks are much closer.

    Chocolate & Tuna

    Blue Cheese & Altoids

    Hmmm… Blue Cheese and Altoids sounds interesting, and who would’ve thought chocolate and turkey tasted good, but Mexican mole!!

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  56. @ic1000
    > Think about this: while median wealth for a single white woman in the US is $41,000, the median wealth for a black woman is $100. And for single Latinas it’s $120. That’s almost unbelievable—and it’s a huge racial-justice issue.

    I promise to listen attentively to Ben's and Jerry's social justice lecture once they've met my standards for probity. That means that each of them renounces their membership in the 1% by separating from their excess wealth. They may donate it anonymously to the Salvation Army or burn it in a barrel, I don't care which.

    Their families may each keep $41,000, split among cash, checking account, personal possessions, and real estate.

    Perhaps Ben and Jerry should be entitled to a different amount. The wealth of the median white male? Of the median Vermonter? Of the median white entrepreneur? Of the median white entrepreneur who risked everything, sacrificed, took great risks, and worked long hours to achieve success in business?

    Sorry, I got carried away. At any rate, I'm open to negotiation on that point.

    Think about this: while median wealth for a single white woman in the US is $41,000, the median wealth for a black woman is $100. And for single Latinas it’s $120. That’s almost unbelievable—and it’s a huge racial-justice issue.

    I promise to listen attentively to Ben’s and Jerry’s social justice lecture once they’ve met my standards for probity. That means that each of them renounces their membership in the 1% by separating from their excess wealth. They may donate it anonymously to the Salvation Army or burn it in a barrel, I don’t care which.

    What’s funny is that we all know we could sell giant 3 carat gold hoop earrings for between $100-120 to the blacks and latinas and they’d give you their bottom dollars for the bling-bling.

    The things you have to do in life to accumulate financial security are just the sort of corny things that blacks and latinos eschew. The agitators seem to think that NAMs skipping these steps to financial security is some sort of collateral issue rather than the main issue.

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  57. Rod1963 says:

    Silence!!!!

    You are not supposed to notice such things.

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  58. Che Guava says:

    I don”t know Steve, of the examples you cite, at least green apples and milk is sounding pretty promising, but more for gelato than ice cream.

    Did look up the article.

    About twenty years ago, there was a fad for ‘strange food’ in Japan, mainly flourishing among the sort of young men who live on cup noodles at home and junk food outside.

    The worst example I can recall was mustard on sticky fermented soy beans (combination beloved by about half of the population, reviled by the other half, including me), but the great revolting combo they were making was to put that on sugary corn flakes and similar ‘cereals’.

    Many more, forgotten, many equally revolting,

    Was once seeing a contest live (when outside Japan, although of course, similar TV contests were popular here and then, rebroadcast overseas for some time, but later) where the contestants had to wade through farm animal shit, drinking too much too warm beer, doing other inoocent but revolting things, but the worst was the fish milkshake, vomiting was common, and IIRC, doing that meant a loss. Eeugghhh!

    My suggestion for a new ‘Ben’ and ‘Jerry’ transgressive flavour is a mix of *curdled* milks, one third goat, one third cow, and one third soy. Very pure!

    Perhaps if Messieurs et Mesdames would preferring it, some salted puree of anchovy in the mix?

    Soon too long, Steve, but final comment on this thread, seeming to me that David Lynch spiked Ben and Jerry’s very nicely in original Twin Peaks,

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  59. @Corvinus
    "Why would anyone expect that people who’ve grown up sharing a culture will treat new arrivals as though they belong and deserve a share of wealth and opportunity that their parent’s generation bequeathed to them and not to the new arrivals?"

    Because if the new arrivals are white, they are automatically "one of us". You know, "our kind of people", right?

    "Immigrants are here as free-riders, stealing from the heritage of those whose ancestors built America to what it is today. I wouldn’t share my parent’s estate with strangers, so why should I share my culture with them"?

    For the love of God, it's not your culture, it's our culture, one forged by a wide range of racial and ethnic groups. Furthermore, remember that those "ancestors" you refer to were also derided and devalued by nativists when they first arrived.

    https://hti.osu.edu/opper/lesson-plans/immigration/images/looking-backward

    For the love of God, it’s not your culture, it’s our culture, one forged by a wide range of racial and ethnic groups. Furthermore, remember that those “ancestors” you refer to were also derided and devalued by nativists when they first arrived.

    No. The core American culture that spawned its institutions both political and cultural was a combination of emigres from the British Isles and ethnic Germans. Other groups have contributed here and there over time but the core is the home nations and ethic Germans.

    Can you really say with a straight face that The United States would have become the United States had the East Coast originally been a colony of Italy or Portugal?

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    "No. The core American culture that spawned its institutions both political and cultural was a combination of emigres from the British Isles and ethnic Germans."

    You mean our core political values, which are able to be adopted and applied by newcomers, European or non-European.

    "Other groups have contributed here and there over time but the core is the home nations and ethic Germans."

    The Dutch and the French also played integral roles here. Certainly our character had a European flavor to it in the beginning, but throughout human history, the composition of nations change, with the culture adapting and adopting along the way. That is the essence of our America.

    "Can you really say with a straight face that The United States would have become the United States had the East Coast originally been a colony of Italy or Portugal?"

    I never made the statement, directly or indirectly.
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  60. @Anonymous
    Tobacco production in Rhodesia is now back to normal under black ownership. It fell catastrophically in the immediate aftermath of seizing white property but now after a few years of adjustment black farmers have learned how to be productive too. So much for the super white farmer myth.

    In totally, totally unrelated news…

    Chinese farmers take over former white-owned farms in Zimbabwe to cash in on tobacco

    Chinese farmers have taken over formerly white-owned farms…

    Farms that were badly managed for nearly 20 years, after Robert Mugabe’s mass seizure of white-owned land, are now being worked again in the hope of reaping a potentially huge reward…

    One farm worker in Mvurwi, about 60 miles north of Harare, said there were now plenty of jobs in the district after years of difficulties following the departure of the white landowners. “The Chinese are spending money,” he said…

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    Excellent find, Chris. There HAD to be a reason.

    Back to the drawing board, Anonymous Hasbara type!
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  61. “White privilege”? LOL.

    Privilege is being able to post a graph like that and pontificate tediously about it, absolutely secure in the knowledge that no one with any sort of megaphone will post the much more stunning graph of your ethnic group’s wealth, much less utter a critical peep about it.

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    will post the much more stunning graph of your ethnic group’s wealth, much less utter a critical peep about it.

    It's only 'stunning' to people bothered by Jews a priori, which seems to include about half the participants on these boards. No clue why you'd utter 'critical peeps' about the assets of Jews.
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  62. @Arclight
    So many obvious things to point out...but let's start with the statistic about 'families.' What percentage of white families include a married two earner household versus that of Latinos or blacks?

    Or has anyone looked at consumer spending patterns and credit usage? Guess which group tends to be the worst when it comes to racking up consumer debt? Or which group is more likely to spend money on visible high-status consumer goods than another even at the same income level? Who tends to own homes in stable neighborhoods versus those that see little appreciation?

    I often find that the most ardent racially progressive whites are those who have the least amount of life experience in close contact with the people whose cause they champion.

    Nicewhites would be surprised by the high quality of the beverages drunk from the empty bottles which I pick up from my front lawn here in Diversitopia.

    Hennessy Cognac and Remy Martin seem to be the favorite drinks of the poor and disadvantaged (they get their food for free via EBT cards, so have more disposable income available for necessities).

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  63. “According to one study, white families hold 90% of the national wealth, Latino families hold 2.3%, and black families hold 2.6%.”

    Blacks have a much longer history free, enslaved or enslaved + free (take your pick) than Latino invaders of the past forty years (save for a sparsely populated SW) in this country and until a couple of years ago were equal in population to Latinos. Yep, somebody ain’t keepin’ up with the Garcias.

    And no population/wealth bar graphs with a special isolation for (((Whites))) in America?

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  64. @Anonymous
    Tobacco production in Rhodesia is now back to normal under black ownership. It fell catastrophically in the immediate aftermath of seizing white property but now after a few years of adjustment black farmers have learned how to be productive too. So much for the super white farmer myth.

    Tobacco production in Rhodesia is now back to normal under black ownership.

    This would in fact be an oddity given the general mediocrity of blacks relative to whites in organizing agricultural production.

    So I spent one minute pulling up the Wikipedia to look into it and of course … the story is “more complication”. Essentially outsiders are now effectively managing the farms.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_in_Zimbabwe#Recovery

    Whites and Chinese choose the crops, supply the inputs, organize the finances, pay the workers and take the crop. The black owners get paid–i.e. collect the rent due them for being the (hooked up) black that got the redistributed land. It’s a mixed system. Blacks are indeed out there driving tractors and producing lots of tobacco. But pretty much all of the higher level decision making on crops and inputs to make it a successful enterprise is being done by non-blacks.

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    Based on that Wiki article the black farmers in Zimbabwe are simply connected to international markets for tobacco and receive loans from abroad. Merely being connected internationally doesn't mean direction of operations under non-African managers.

    During the time of white ownership of farms, tobacco was almost entirely sold on international markets and also domestic banks would not have been entirely sufficient to finance commercial farming so other lenders like South African banks would have been part of the picture.

    Whether under black or white ownership, Zimbabwe farms now and then are similarly hooked up to international credit and trade. There is nothing in that Wiki article to show that the recovery in Zimbabwe tobacco production is not led by blacks who have picked up the same skills that white farmers had.
    , @Dan Hayes
    Another Dad:

    Thanks. So now we know the "rest of the story".

    Although in retrospect it's not that surprising what you've uncovered about the actual Rhodesian "recovery".
    , @RonaldB
    Yes. I did the same (minimal) work that you did and found the same facts.

    You saw the same phenomenon in, say, Chicago, when Jesse Jackson blackmailed the city government into hiring more black contracting companies. Some lucky black would get to be the cut-out, and the real company was managed and run by whites.

    Of course, such an arrangement in inherently unstable. There is pressure to increase the black representation, and eventually the service itself deteriorates. The contractors in Zimbabwe are mainly foreign companies, Chinese and the like, so the pressure for increasing the black footprint might be easier to resist.
    , @Bleuteaux
    So the role of blacks here is literally rent-seeking? Welcome to the future. Of everything.
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  65. res says:
    @Yan Shen
    In other words, blacks, Hispanics, and whites once again obsess tirelessly about themselves and about one another! As Ta Nehisi Coates and John Derbyshire prove, it's all black and white, all the time!

    Meanwhile...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHhy2Gk_xik

    You know you are being a troll when:
    1. Twinkie flags you as one.
    2. Corvinus gives an approving response.

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    You know you are being a troll when:
    1. Twinkie flags you as one.
     
    I think that may have been the first "troll" flag I ever handed out. Normally, I wouldn't do that for merely disagreeing with someone, but he was monomaniacally repeating "whites and blacks obsess about race, Asians don't!" across threads (seriously, I assume), so I thought it was warranted.

    I should probably peg Tiny Duck as a troll as well, but I give him (a tiny) benefit of doubt, however unlikely, that he may be serving up satire.
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  66. res says:
    @PhysicistDave
    When I think back over my life, I realize that nearly all of the people who have done really nasty things to me have been white.

    I suppose that is largely because I have generally taken care not to live in the parts of town where I am likely to be mugged, shot in a drive-by shooting, etc.

    So... I wonder if maybe we could all refine our model of nasty interactions within and between races:

    A) The people who are most likely to use positions of power to harass, intimidate and exploit other people are white people -- I'm thinking of the Clintons, the whole Bush family, Bernanke, Obama, etc, and all their lower level imitators across the nation and among our institutions and bureaucracies.

    B) Most of the victims of these power-hungry abusive whites are also whites -- largely because most Americans are white but also because it's easier for bureaucrats to intimidate Dilbert than to intimidate some gang-banger.

    C) The people who are disproportionately likely to use gross physical violence against their fellow Americans are NAMs.

    D) And the victims of this brutal physical violence are also disproportionately NAMs.


    This is not a rigid taxonomy: the policies promulgated by the exploitative elite do injure NAMs, and nasty street thugs certainly do sometimes attack white people. And there are a handful of token NAMs among the elite and some whites among the street thugs.

    But being explicit about the statistical reality does help us remember that it is not primarily white privilege vs. non-white victims nor is it mainly non-white thugs vs. white victims.

    The fights are largely within the separate races, not between the races.

    Either pretending that it is primarily privileged whites vs. victimized non-whites or pretending that it is primarily non-white thugs vs. middle-class white victims obscures the reality and keeps us from dealing properly with both the vicious elite and the vicious street thugs.

    Of course, the ruling elite does hurt everybody and the street thugs also do hurt everyone, but quantitatively the impacts differ dramatically among the races.

    Anyone want to agree or argue that this is a better way to think of what is happening in our society today? (I suspect that almost everyone who pays attention to modern life basically knows this to be true, but it seems rarely to be spelled out clearly and explicitly.)

    You make some good points, but I think most of your A has to do with opportunity and you really need to look at rates per capita within groups. Your basic argument is similar to the argument that the 60+% whites in the US consume more welfare spending than the 13% blacks. Perhaps true but not terribly meaningful even if so.

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  67. JL says:

    One of the reasons I chose to go to study at the University of Vermont was its whiteness. I had had enough of PoC during high school. I was very happy with my choice, but it did not go unpunished. Our commencement speaker was the newly hired affirmative action CEO of Ben&Jerry’s, before they had sold out, but after the business had become a success and they decided to step back from day-to-day operations. It was the single worst speech I have ever heard and I wasn’t the least bit surprised when the CEO was fired a short time later for incompetence. Fortunately, I managed to avoid college commencement ceremonies until this year, when my son graduated. And who was I lucky enough to listen to this time? Joe Biden.

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  68. res says:

    It’s great when wealthy Jews go on about about racial disparities in wealth (a lot like “Hollywood so white”). Perhaps we should revisit that first graphic with the white group subdivided and Jews as a separate category? Then we could see some real disparity.

    http://takimag.com/article/jewish_wealth_by_the_numbers_steve_sailer/print

    P.S. iSteve Jewish commenters, surely you see how fanning the flames of this sort of discussion is a bad idea for the Jews overall, right?!

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  69. Thanks Ben & Jerry!!!!

    You are helping to spread one of the Alt-Rights most effect viral memes, next to “It’s Ok to Be White!!!”

    In fact speaking of great flavor combinations.

    “Dear Fellow White People” & “It’s Ok to be White” are the “Chocolate & Peanut Butter” combo of Alt-Right memes.

    FELLOW WHITE PEOPLE

    The ULTIMATE (((“fellow white people”))) compilation

    New Flavor of Ben & Jerry’s….

    “Chocolate Chump??? Goyim Know!!!”

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  70. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @AnotherDad

    Tobacco production in Rhodesia is now back to normal under black ownership.
     
    This would in fact be an oddity given the general mediocrity of blacks relative to whites in organizing agricultural production.

    So I spent one minute pulling up the Wikipedia to look into it and of course ... the story is "more complication". Essentially outsiders are now effectively managing the farms.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_in_Zimbabwe#Recovery

    Whites and Chinese choose the crops, supply the inputs, organize the finances, pay the workers and take the crop. The black owners get paid--i.e. collect the rent due them for being the (hooked up) black that got the redistributed land. It's a mixed system. Blacks are indeed out there driving tractors and producing lots of tobacco. But pretty much all of the higher level decision making on crops and inputs to make it a successful enterprise is being done by non-blacks.

    Based on that Wiki article the black farmers in Zimbabwe are simply connected to international markets for tobacco and receive loans from abroad. Merely being connected internationally doesn’t mean direction of operations under non-African managers.

    During the time of white ownership of farms, tobacco was almost entirely sold on international markets and also domestic banks would not have been entirely sufficient to finance commercial farming so other lenders like South African banks would have been part of the picture.

    Whether under black or white ownership, Zimbabwe farms now and then are similarly hooked up to international credit and trade. There is nothing in that Wiki article to show that the recovery in Zimbabwe tobacco production is not led by blacks who have picked up the same skills that white farmers had.

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    You're conveniently ignoring the article I posted in response to your original comment. If you read it closely, you'll see that the situation it describes is that small-scale Zimbabwean farmers are managing to bring crops to market, while larger-scale farms are failing--these are the ones the article says are attracting Chinese oversight/investment. I.e., Africans can be small farmers but they can't manage large enterprises--big surprise, huh?

    And by the way, how are these small farmers faring after bringing their goods to Zimbabwean markets?

    Zimbabwe Tobacco Booming, but Farmers Growing It Are Not

    "I will not grow tobacco again," Hanja said.
     
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  71. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @TTSSYF
    I might be a successful tobacco farmer, too, if someone handed me a farm seized from its owner and gave me several years to make a go of it. Also -- shouldn't they be cultivating something healthful, rather than cancer-causing tobacco?

    Why? It’s not like people in Zimbabwe are smoking it. Africa is quite hot and smoking isn’t that popular. The best agricultural strategy is to grow what earns export income.

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    It's a known carcinogen. We donate millions of dollars each year to African countries. They ought to cultivate something healthful for their own use.
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  72. BenKenobi says:

    We have a lot of work to do

    I’m getting very sick of this phrase.

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  73. eah says:

    They’re both (((Fellow Whites))) — so what do you expect?

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  74. O.T. but timely. This from a link to The Sun on Drudge.

    “THIS IT HOW IT ENDS Thousands of scientists sign ‘Warning to Humanity’ letter predicting an imminent apocalypse
    The world’s brightest minds sketch a bleak picture of the future of Planet Earth. Is it too late to save our species and preserve the environment?”

    Many here on Unz deny the reality of Climate change and they may or may not have a case. But that’s beside the point. What we can all agree on is the need for reining in the world’s runaway population growth—particularly in Africa–as Steve has pointed out numerous times. What follows then is “good news” for our side. We should hammer these points home, rub liberal, open-border fanatics noses in these statistics until they scream. This is the single most important issue facing humanity today. Liberals are on the wrong side of this. Let’s put the screws to them.

    The article continues:

    “We are jeopardising our future by not reining in our intense but geographically and demographically uneven material consumption and by not perceiving continued rapid population growth as a primary driver behind many ecological and even societal threats.
    “By failing to adequately limit population growth, reassess the role of an economy rooted in growth, reduce greenhouse gases, incentivise renewable energy, protect habitat, restore ecosystems, curb pollution, halt defaunation, and constrain invasive alien species, humanity is not taking the urgent steps needed to safeguard our imperilled biosphere.”

    “Here are the grim changes which have taken place in the last 25 years:
    The amount of fresh water available per head of population worldwide has reduced by 26%.
    The number of ocean “dead zones” – places where little can live because of pollution and oxygen starvation – has increased by 75%.
    Nearly 300 million acres of forest have been lost, mostly to make way for agricultural land.
    Global carbon emissions and average temperatures have shown continued significant increases.
    Human population has risen by 35%.
    Collectively the number of mammals, reptiles, amphibians, birds and fish in the world has fallen by 29%.”

    My bold.

    The irony of Republicans beating Democrats with their own cudgel is delightful to behold.

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  75. Lurker says:
    @Romanian
    Since when are Whites 77% of the population when immigrants and their children are almost 20%? Once the Middle Eastern census category is adopted,I would be surprised if Whites do not fall below 58%.

    Yes, my understanding is the white percentage of the US population has not been at or above 77% for some time.

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  76. Pat Boyle says:
    @whorefinder
    "Ben & Jerry, you're making an implicit assumption that all racial groups and ethnic groups share the exact same abilities across the spectrum."

    "So?"

    "Both statistical evidence and anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise."

    "RACIST! BURN THE WITCH!"

    One racial difference that is indisputable is lactose intolerance. Ben an Jerry’s ice cream makes blacks and Asians sick – or at least uncomfortable. Only whites among the common races have the “white privilege” of being able to digest their ice cream.

    Kinda ironic what?

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    Yes, systemic racism is built into ice cream, because it is engineered for the enjoyment of lactose tolerant white people.
    , @Jack D
    Not just whites but specifically Northern Europeans. 75% of Jews are lactose intolerant (vs. 90% of E. Asians).

    Fortunately, whitey has also found the cure. They figured out a way to grow in culture and isolate the lactase enzyme that is lacking in most non-Northern European adults, which is what allows you to digest milk. In N. Europeans the gene that produces lactase in your gut does not turn off when you are past the age of weaning; in other races it does. Until the keeping of dairy animals became widespread in the last 10,000 years, it didn't make any sense for your body to keep producing this unneeded enzyme in adulthood - it would have been a survival advantage to NOT spend the energy on its production but then the keeping of dairy animals conferred an even greater advantage to those who practiced it. (This BTW is a favorite evolutionary trick - it's very hard to introduce new traits that don't exist in your species (for example to get humans to digest hay like cows) but it's relatively easy to take a juvenile trait and extend it into adulthood). The enzyme is either added to milk and other dairy products (e.g. Lactaid milk) or sold in pill form.
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  77. Heros says:

    Ben and Jerry, as is typical for their tribe, piggy-backed their way to their success on the backs of goyim. In this case it was goyim who were heavily involved with Mkultra.

    I am speaking about the Grateful Dead, and their lead guitarist Jerry Garcia. Very early on, the two homo’s made a special flavor in honor of Jerry, called “Cherry Garcia”. This allowed Ben and Jerry to infiltrate the organic, anti-war hippy scene though association with this band of CIA controlled culture assassin’s. B&J instantly were “in” with this group of subversives and through this association were able to gain rapid brand recognition throughout the coastal cities where the Grateful Dead spread their Mkultra mind control at the behest of the CIA.

    The real question is, was the CIA somehow behind the rise of BJ’s? Based upon the tribal membership of the two queers, I think it is incontrovertable.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if, two hundred years from now, people don't know any more about Jerry Garcia's music than about General Tso's military career. They will be food inspirations and nothing more.
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  78. eah says:

    whites once again obsess tirelessly about themselves and about one another!

    Actually, no we don’t — none of the Whites (note capitalization) I know “obsess” about POC — however since as I said in an earlier comment we ‘carry them on our backs economically’, a growing number of red-blooded white non-cuck males are getting pretty fucking sick of listening to their bitching and whining.

    To the extent they bitch and whine, the same goes for Asians too.

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    I have no idea what this graph means.
    , @res
    Interesting graphic. Not sure how much to trust the numbers though. More discussion at what looks like the source: http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/05/11/fiscal-impact-of-whites-blacks-and-hispanics/
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  79. Ben & Jerry’s are setting themselves up for being a target of an Alt-Right Trolling campaign.

    How about a sticker campaign of Ben & Jerry’s freezer cases.

    “Its Ok to Enjoy Vanilla…… Greek Yogurt Protein Smoothies!!! They are a lot healthier….”

    “Anne Frank would rather that you take care of yourself…. Have a Vanilla Greek Yogurt Protein Smoothy instead!!!”

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  80. Lurker says:
    @Corvinus
    "Why would anyone expect that people who’ve grown up sharing a culture will treat new arrivals as though they belong and deserve a share of wealth and opportunity that their parent’s generation bequeathed to them and not to the new arrivals?"

    Because if the new arrivals are white, they are automatically "one of us". You know, "our kind of people", right?

    "Immigrants are here as free-riders, stealing from the heritage of those whose ancestors built America to what it is today. I wouldn’t share my parent’s estate with strangers, so why should I share my culture with them"?

    For the love of God, it's not your culture, it's our culture, one forged by a wide range of racial and ethnic groups. Furthermore, remember that those "ancestors" you refer to were also derided and devalued by nativists when they first arrived.

    https://hti.osu.edu/opper/lesson-plans/immigration/images/looking-backward

    So when non-whites bleat about cultural appropriation we can take it that its not their culture either?

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    "So when non-whites bleat about cultural appropriation we can take it that its not their culture either?"

    What are you even talking about? Be more specific here.
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  81. Dumbo says:

    They are just pandering to their clientele. Whites love love love to be accused of/decry “institutional racism”, as long as nothing really changes in their lifestyle. Don’t worry you won’t see B&J moving their headquarters down to Atlanta anytime soon.

    Suggestion: “White Privilege” flavor: Vanilla & Whitebread.

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    Dumbo, this situation seems ripe for an intervention by Jesse Jackson.
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  82. The heading is, of course, intentionally misleading, it should be
    “Who creates all the wealth?”

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  83. @PhysicistDave
    When I think back over my life, I realize that nearly all of the people who have done really nasty things to me have been white.

    I suppose that is largely because I have generally taken care not to live in the parts of town where I am likely to be mugged, shot in a drive-by shooting, etc.

    So... I wonder if maybe we could all refine our model of nasty interactions within and between races:

    A) The people who are most likely to use positions of power to harass, intimidate and exploit other people are white people -- I'm thinking of the Clintons, the whole Bush family, Bernanke, Obama, etc, and all their lower level imitators across the nation and among our institutions and bureaucracies.

    B) Most of the victims of these power-hungry abusive whites are also whites -- largely because most Americans are white but also because it's easier for bureaucrats to intimidate Dilbert than to intimidate some gang-banger.

    C) The people who are disproportionately likely to use gross physical violence against their fellow Americans are NAMs.

    D) And the victims of this brutal physical violence are also disproportionately NAMs.


    This is not a rigid taxonomy: the policies promulgated by the exploitative elite do injure NAMs, and nasty street thugs certainly do sometimes attack white people. And there are a handful of token NAMs among the elite and some whites among the street thugs.

    But being explicit about the statistical reality does help us remember that it is not primarily white privilege vs. non-white victims nor is it mainly non-white thugs vs. white victims.

    The fights are largely within the separate races, not between the races.

    Either pretending that it is primarily privileged whites vs. victimized non-whites or pretending that it is primarily non-white thugs vs. middle-class white victims obscures the reality and keeps us from dealing properly with both the vicious elite and the vicious street thugs.

    Of course, the ruling elite does hurt everybody and the street thugs also do hurt everyone, but quantitatively the impacts differ dramatically among the races.

    Anyone want to agree or argue that this is a better way to think of what is happening in our society today? (I suspect that almost everyone who pays attention to modern life basically knows this to be true, but it seems rarely to be spelled out clearly and explicitly.)

    What about jews? The vast majority of the harm they do falls on the goyim,whether white ,Asian or NAM.

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  84. Dan Hayes says:
    @AnotherDad

    Tobacco production in Rhodesia is now back to normal under black ownership.
     
    This would in fact be an oddity given the general mediocrity of blacks relative to whites in organizing agricultural production.

    So I spent one minute pulling up the Wikipedia to look into it and of course ... the story is "more complication". Essentially outsiders are now effectively managing the farms.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_in_Zimbabwe#Recovery

    Whites and Chinese choose the crops, supply the inputs, organize the finances, pay the workers and take the crop. The black owners get paid--i.e. collect the rent due them for being the (hooked up) black that got the redistributed land. It's a mixed system. Blacks are indeed out there driving tractors and producing lots of tobacco. But pretty much all of the higher level decision making on crops and inputs to make it a successful enterprise is being done by non-blacks.

    Another Dad:

    Thanks. So now we know the “rest of the story”.

    Although in retrospect it’s not that surprising what you’ve uncovered about the actual Rhodesian “recovery”.

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  85. Roger says: • Website
    @Pat Boyle
    One racial difference that is indisputable is lactose intolerance. Ben an Jerry's ice cream makes blacks and Asians sick - or at least uncomfortable. Only whites among the common races have the "white privilege" of being able to digest their ice cream.

    Kinda ironic what?

    Yes, systemic racism is built into ice cream, because it is engineered for the enjoyment of lactose tolerant white people.

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  86. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Of course, 77% into 90% gives a multiplier only marginally above unity – the implication being that, more or less, white Americans ‘pull their own weight’ with regard to production, labor and capital in the US economy.

    The only mystery is why black Americans, apparently, economically produce such paltry output.

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    It's hard to assess and quantify the profits from illegal drug sales, theft, black market activities, and prostitution into any normal economic calculation.
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  87. Chocolate & Tuna

    Hey, that would be great, Kaukonen and Casady jamming with these guys:

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  88. @Corvinus
    "Why would anyone expect that people who’ve grown up sharing a culture will treat new arrivals as though they belong and deserve a share of wealth and opportunity that their parent’s generation bequeathed to them and not to the new arrivals?"

    Because if the new arrivals are white, they are automatically "one of us". You know, "our kind of people", right?

    "Immigrants are here as free-riders, stealing from the heritage of those whose ancestors built America to what it is today. I wouldn’t share my parent’s estate with strangers, so why should I share my culture with them"?

    For the love of God, it's not your culture, it's our culture, one forged by a wide range of racial and ethnic groups. Furthermore, remember that those "ancestors" you refer to were also derided and devalued by nativists when they first arrived.

    https://hti.osu.edu/opper/lesson-plans/immigration/images/looking-backward

    Furthermore, remember that those “ancestors” you refer to were also derided and devalued by nativists when they first arrived.

    For lowering their wages. Seems reasonable to me, then and now.

    But you side with the robber barons.

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    "For lowering their wages. Seems reasonable to me, then and now."

    Then everyone, including the nativists whose ancestors were immigrants, have to go back.

    "But you side with the robber barons."

    I side with captains of industry who at the time used the capitalist system to their advantage. Fortunately, immigrants and native born workers formed unions to address those inequalities, and reformers such as the Progressives sought political and economic reforms
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  89. @Romanian
    Since when are Whites 77% of the population when immigrants and their children are almost 20%? Once the Middle Eastern census category is adopted,I would be surprised if Whites do not fall below 58%.

    Since when are Whites 77% of the population when immigrants and their children are almost 20%?

    Sometimes these figures refer to the whole population, sometimes just to the segment at hand, e.g., adult, voting, working… So of course they’d differ.

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  90. Travis says:
    @Romanian
    Since when are Whites 77% of the population when immigrants and their children are almost 20%? Once the Middle Eastern census category is adopted,I would be surprised if Whites do not fall below 58%.

    many immigrants and their children identify as white. The 77% number includes most hispanics and many immigrants.

    if they excludes Hispanic whites like Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Geraldo Rivera , George Zimmerman, then the number would be far lower….most of the 55 million Hispanics living in the USA identify as white….the percentage of Non-Hispanic Whites in America is 61%, according to the US census.

    it would be interesting to see how much wealth Asian Americans have….They are 6% of the US population and are 50% more likely to have a college degree than White Americans. 55% of Asians have a college degree verse just 36% of White Americans…on average Asians earn 10% more than whites in America…

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  91. Corvinus says:
    @Lurker
    So when non-whites bleat about cultural appropriation we can take it that its not their culture either?

    “So when non-whites bleat about cultural appropriation we can take it that its not their culture either?”

    What are you even talking about? Be more specific here.

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    Oh, please. Do you use the time purchased with this type of prevarication to develop, just in case someone plays along, a more substantial response in your standard say-back-and-joust format?

    Will wait to see...

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  92. Hupa says:
    @whorefinder
    P.S.

    I love being lectured by sugar-milk makers on how evil I am.

    P.P.S.

    Why do Middle Eastern Americans like Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield have such a intrinsic, illogical hatred of European Americans, and an irrational desire to blame them for everyone's problems?

    “Middle Eastern Americans” wins the day

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  93. @Corvinus
    "Why would anyone expect that people who’ve grown up sharing a culture will treat new arrivals as though they belong and deserve a share of wealth and opportunity that their parent’s generation bequeathed to them and not to the new arrivals?"

    Because if the new arrivals are white, they are automatically "one of us". You know, "our kind of people", right?

    "Immigrants are here as free-riders, stealing from the heritage of those whose ancestors built America to what it is today. I wouldn’t share my parent’s estate with strangers, so why should I share my culture with them"?

    For the love of God, it's not your culture, it's our culture, one forged by a wide range of racial and ethnic groups. Furthermore, remember that those "ancestors" you refer to were also derided and devalued by nativists when they first arrived.

    https://hti.osu.edu/opper/lesson-plans/immigration/images/looking-backward

    Furthermore, remember that those “ancestors” you refer to were also derided and devalued by nativists when they first arrived.

    I’m pretty sure the nativists were right. Remember how England and Ireland are seperate countries? America is like that x10 even before nonwhite immigration.

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    "I’m pretty sure the nativists were right. Remember how England and Ireland are seperate countries?
    America is like that x10 even before nonwhite immigration."

    Then the Germans, Italians, Slavs, Poles, Assyrians, and Chinese ALL have to go back if one takes you seriously.

    But that's not going to happen, nor should it.
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  94. Corvinus says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Furthermore, remember that those “ancestors” you refer to were also derided and devalued by nativists when they first arrived.
     
    For lowering their wages. Seems reasonable to me, then and now.

    But you side with the robber barons.

    “For lowering their wages. Seems reasonable to me, then and now.”

    Then everyone, including the nativists whose ancestors were immigrants, have to go back.

    “But you side with the robber barons.”

    I side with captains of industry who at the time used the capitalist system to their advantage. Fortunately, immigrants and native born workers formed unions to address those inequalities, and reformers such as the Progressives sought political and economic reforms

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    and reformers such as the Progressives sought political and economic reforms
     
    Like restricting immigration!
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  95. Berty says:

    That limited batch Bob Marley ice cream they had a little while ago was fucking delicious.

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  96. @whorefinder
    "Ben & Jerry, you're making an implicit assumption that all racial groups and ethnic groups share the exact same abilities across the spectrum."

    "So?"

    "Both statistical evidence and anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise."

    "RACIST! BURN THE WITCH!"

    Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield might want to provide a similar graph showing jewish wealth and jew population percent maybe another for east asians, then we can drill down to where the real privilege is

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  97. New flavor combinations constitute a still insufficiently explored field in gustatory science and marketing. A few ideas…

    Like individualized medicine, maybe the optimum flavor combination depends on one’s individual DNA. People differ genetically in the ability to appreciate the smell of urine produced by someone who has eaten a lot of asparagus. So maybe there is a niche market for ice cream based on the urine-and-asparagus flavor combination.

    And rather than a bland corn flakes-and-milk breakfast, by combining
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muesli and
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kefir ,
    you can start you day off with a real clash-of-civilizations flavor explosion.

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  98. Art Deco says:
    @AnotherDad
    "White privilege"? LOL.

    Privilege is being able to post a graph like that and pontificate tediously about it, absolutely secure in the knowledge that no one with any sort of megaphone will post the much more stunning graph of your ethnic group's wealth, much less utter a critical peep about it.

    will post the much more stunning graph of your ethnic group’s wealth, much less utter a critical peep about it.

    It’s only ‘stunning’ to people bothered by Jews a priori, which seems to include about half the participants on these boards. No clue why you’d utter ‘critical peeps’ about the assets of Jews.

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    Because they say that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones but the fact is that some people who live in glass houses are able to get away with it and that's interesting.
    , @TheUmpteenthGermanOnHere
    "It’s only ‘stunning’ to people bothered by Jews a priori"
    Great rhetorical manoeuvre. Usually, however, things get noticed a posteriori - after data has been collected. And noticeability increases linearly with the improbability of the observed results.
    , @peterike

    No clue why you’d utter ‘critical peeps’ about the assets of Jews.

     

    Ummm, because a couple of extremely rich Jews are making a whole bunch of hypocritical virtue signalling noise about the awfulness of wealth disparities when comparing whites to non-whites, and blaming whites for it?

    Keep up Spanky, it's not that hard.

    , @European-American
    I think think the reasoning is as follows:

    That whites have greater wealth per capita than most other groups is seen as proof of systemic racism favoring whites, and is a reason to utter critical remarks about the assets of whites.

    That Jews have greater wealth per capita than most other groups is not seen as a proof of systemic racism favoring Jews, and is not a reason to utter critical remarks about the assets of Jews.

    Is it permitted to ask what’s the difference?

    That the company that makes the remarks about the former group was founded by members of the latter group reminds me of the pot calling the kettle black, or of people in glass houses throwing stones. Or is there some obvious distinction that I am missing? Honest question.

    Otherwise same question can be asked of East Asians or Indians.

    , @anon
    It’s only ‘stunning’ to people bothered by Jews a priori, which seems to include about half the participants on these boards.

    They bother me when they put up charts supposedly showing MY privilege, but get all huffy when anyone does the same to them.

    Why shouldn't that bother me?
    , @Jack D
    I'm usually not on the side of anti-Semites, but it does seem hypocritical to me that a graph show that say 77% of the population controls 90% of the wealth is A-OK (when said 77% represents white people) but for Ben & Jerry (or anyone mainstream) to publish a graph showing that say 2% the population (American Jews) own 12% of the wealth (I don't know the actual % but around 1/4 of the Forbes billionaire list is Jewish and I'm pretty sure the ratio is MUCH higher than 90/77) and suggesting that we need to "fix this" would be pretty much inconceivable.

    In fact, it's kind of nuts for Jews to keep identifying with blacks when they have so little in common with them (as you would expect for 2 groups that sit on the opposite ends of the Bell Curve) and when blacks are not really keen on liking them.

    The only explanation I can think of is that most ethnic groups adopt a self-image in their head and they keep that self-image regardless of how reality has changed. For blacks it will always be 1965 with white people ready to loose the dogs on them. For Jews, it's always 1903 and they are still manning the pushcarts on Orchard Street and being kept out of country clubs (or else it's 1938 and the SS is smashing their shop window). For the mainland Chinese it's always 1840 and they are being humiliated by the West in the Opium Wars. For WASPs, it's alway 1789 or 1865 and they are expounding wisdom and science and enlightening the lesser races. We are always going on here about Current Year thinking but a lot of Current Year thinking involves highly selective memory of past events. No one wants to live in the actual current year and deal with reality as it is today.
    , @Mr. Anon
    I suppose nothing is "stunning" to a dull-witted fool such as yourself.
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  99. J1234 says:

    OMG. I’ve long thought that movie stars and rock musicians should stop embarrassing themselves with publicly stated thoughts about politics and society. Little did I know that ice cream makers are even worse at divining the truth from statistics and outcomes. So… the reason I like Moose Tracks and my brother likes strawberry shortcake ice cream is because of “conditioning” (by our different social environments while growing up, apparently.) I think someone needs to look up the word “causality” in the dictionary.

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  100. @TangoMan
    Why would anyone expect that a newly arrived immigrant family would have the same wealth as a family which has roots in America going back 50 years, 100 years, 200 years? Parents do leave their life's wealth to their children.

    Why would anyone expect that people who've grown up sharing a culture will treat new arrivals as though they belong and deserve a share of wealth and opportunity that their parent's generation bequeathed to them and not to the new arrivals?

    Immigrants are here as free-riders, stealing from the heritage of those whose ancestors built America to what it is today. I wouldn't share my parent's estate with strangers, so why should I share my culture with them?

    “I wouldn’t share my parent’s estate with strangers, so why should I share my culture with them?”
    This I don’t get. First of all, it’s not a matter of whether you should. If you would rather not, then you don’t.
    But in contrast to estate sharing, cultural sharing seems to be a very natural activity for humans to engage in. Modern musical genres are almost exclusively hybrid forms. And even something that is indeed white in ethnic origin – classical, church and marching band music -, both once served an ancillary role in unifying nations that were much less homogeneous than they are now and ultimately merged with other traditions into new forms like jazz.
    Oh, and the music links on this blog pretty rarely feature anything classical.
    So I guess I don’t get by what definition culture isn’t that which – as opposed to property and power – we share most easily.
    And most productively, too.

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  101. @Art Deco
    will post the much more stunning graph of your ethnic group’s wealth, much less utter a critical peep about it.

    It's only 'stunning' to people bothered by Jews a priori, which seems to include about half the participants on these boards. No clue why you'd utter 'critical peeps' about the assets of Jews.

    Because they say that people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones but the fact is that some people who live in glass houses are able to get away with it and that’s interesting.

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  102. bigduke6 says:

    It’s only ‘stunning’ to people bothered by Jews a priori, which seems to include about half the participants on these boards. No clue why you’d utter ‘critical peeps’ about the assets of Jews.

    You truly don’t understand how that would be relevant in the context of Jews posting a graph about white wealth as if it were a problem a priori? So much for the myth of Jewish cleverness, then.

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  103. Remember when you were a kid, and you encountered your first self-serve soda machine or Slurpee™ dispenser, and you thought it would be great to mix every flavor together in your cup?

    Well, some of us naive suburban boys do. It never tasted as good as we hoped.

    It’s kind of like force-mixing every variety of homo sapiens together and expecting an outcome as enjoyable as pure, creamy vanilla ice cream.

    What if our world was run by Brooklyn boys who fled to Vermont to live in Little Boxes on the hillside? They surely would criticize the rest of us for making the same “ethnic succession,” and they just as certainly would write laws forcing us to eat dog shit mixed with kale.

    Delicious diversity.

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  104. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Corvinus
    "So when non-whites bleat about cultural appropriation we can take it that its not their culture either?"

    What are you even talking about? Be more specific here.

    Oh, please. Do you use the time purchased with this type of prevarication to develop, just in case someone plays along, a more substantial response in your standard say-back-and-joust format?

    Will wait to see…

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  105. @Art Deco
    will post the much more stunning graph of your ethnic group’s wealth, much less utter a critical peep about it.

    It's only 'stunning' to people bothered by Jews a priori, which seems to include about half the participants on these boards. No clue why you'd utter 'critical peeps' about the assets of Jews.

    “It’s only ‘stunning’ to people bothered by Jews a priori”
    Great rhetorical manoeuvre. Usually, however, things get noticed a posteriori – after data has been collected. And noticeability increases linearly with the improbability of the observed results.

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  106. peterike says:
    @Art Deco
    will post the much more stunning graph of your ethnic group’s wealth, much less utter a critical peep about it.

    It's only 'stunning' to people bothered by Jews a priori, which seems to include about half the participants on these boards. No clue why you'd utter 'critical peeps' about the assets of Jews.

    No clue why you’d utter ‘critical peeps’ about the assets of Jews.

    Ummm, because a couple of extremely rich Jews are making a whole bunch of hypocritical virtue signalling noise about the awfulness of wealth disparities when comparing whites to non-whites, and blaming whites for it?

    Keep up Spanky, it’s not that hard.

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  107. Jack D says:
    @Pat Boyle
    One racial difference that is indisputable is lactose intolerance. Ben an Jerry's ice cream makes blacks and Asians sick - or at least uncomfortable. Only whites among the common races have the "white privilege" of being able to digest their ice cream.

    Kinda ironic what?

    Not just whites but specifically Northern Europeans. 75% of Jews are lactose intolerant (vs. 90% of E. Asians).

    Fortunately, whitey has also found the cure. They figured out a way to grow in culture and isolate the lactase enzyme that is lacking in most non-Northern European adults, which is what allows you to digest milk. In N. Europeans the gene that produces lactase in your gut does not turn off when you are past the age of weaning; in other races it does. Until the keeping of dairy animals became widespread in the last 10,000 years, it didn’t make any sense for your body to keep producing this unneeded enzyme in adulthood – it would have been a survival advantage to NOT spend the energy on its production but then the keeping of dairy animals conferred an even greater advantage to those who practiced it. (This BTW is a favorite evolutionary trick – it’s very hard to introduce new traits that don’t exist in your species (for example to get humans to digest hay like cows) but it’s relatively easy to take a juvenile trait and extend it into adulthood). The enzyme is either added to milk and other dairy products (e.g. Lactaid milk) or sold in pill form.

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    This explains something I mentioned here a long time ago: Lactose intolerance was not something we heard about or cared about until recently. The vast majority of Americans didn't have the problem and knew nothing about it. Then it started to sound like it was something we all should worry about, like "oh, gee, maybe I'm lactose intolerant because I farted last night after eating Ben & Jerry's Kale and Dog Shit ice cream."

    Nobody bothered to tell us about the genetic differentiation, that it simply is not our problem. We were willfully encouraged to think that lactose intolerance might be a problem for everybody and anybody -- and by extension to look a little sideways at dairy foods in general. To do otherwise would be "intolerant," after all.

    Here though is a real problem a lot of Americans have: As you say, "... it’s relatively easy to take a juvenile trait and extend it into adulthood." Yes. Our young people are being encouraged to do that now, and I'm not talking about generating lactose enzymes.

    How long before they shut down college cafeterias and demand that all foods containing lactose be banned? After all, white privilege is the only reason real milk is served.

    http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/lookandlearn-preview/A/A010/A010449.jpg
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  108. @Art Deco
    will post the much more stunning graph of your ethnic group’s wealth, much less utter a critical peep about it.

    It's only 'stunning' to people bothered by Jews a priori, which seems to include about half the participants on these boards. No clue why you'd utter 'critical peeps' about the assets of Jews.

    I think think the reasoning is as follows:

    That whites have greater wealth per capita than most other groups is seen as proof of systemic racism favoring whites, and is a reason to utter critical remarks about the assets of whites.

    That Jews have greater wealth per capita than most other groups is not seen as a proof of systemic racism favoring Jews, and is not a reason to utter critical remarks about the assets of Jews.

    Is it permitted to ask what’s the difference?

    That the company that makes the remarks about the former group was founded by members of the latter group reminds me of the pot calling the kettle black, or of people in glass houses throwing stones. Or is there some obvious distinction that I am missing? Honest question.

    Otherwise same question can be asked of East Asians or Indians.

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    @Art Deco
    will post the much more stunning graph of your ethnic group’s wealth, much less utter a critical peep about it.

    It's only 'stunning' to people bothered by Jews a priori, which seems to include about half the participants on these boards. No clue why you'd utter 'critical peeps' about the assets of Jews.

    It’s only ‘stunning’ to people bothered by Jews a priori, which seems to include about half the participants on these boards.

    They bother me when they put up charts supposedly showing MY privilege, but get all huffy when anyone does the same to them.

    Why shouldn’t that bother me?

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  110. RonaldB says:
    @Yan Shen
    In other words, blacks, Hispanics, and whites once again obsess tirelessly about themselves and about one another! As Ta Nehisi Coates and John Derbyshire prove, it's all black and white, all the time!

    Meanwhile...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHhy2Gk_xik

    In a way, you have to feel sorry for the black students.

    They are shoehorned into a school they are clearly unqualified for through affirmative action. They did pretty well at the mostly or completely black high school from which they came, but never had the opportunity to develop real study habits or persistence. They were taught that it was discrimination and lack of opportunity that accounted for the disparities of the black community.

    Now, they are in a good school, and find that they cannot do the work, or even understand the lectures. It’s tremendously frustrating for them. They fall back on what they have been told all their lives: their problems stem from discrimination by the white power structure. Their problems can be solved by screaming and marching.

    In a sense, they’re right. They are in an environment they are totally unsuited for because of the prejudice of the (white) bureaucracy, that refuses to recognize their real (much lower) level of qualification.

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  111. Bugg says:

    As a white ethnic guy living in non-gentrified Brooklyn for going on half a century, love to be lectured about right and wrong by a pair of liberal multi culti Jews who first engaged in white flight to suburbia, then moved to the whitest state in the union and then sold out completely to a huge international conglomerate. Don’t fault them for any one of those decisions, but perhaps they could take a long look in the mirror now and then.

    Vermont has been ruined by idiot hippies like these 2 lucky dopes who have now brought opiates with them. Real shame; it’s a beautiful place. Strangely these 2 have nothing to say about that.

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    As a white ethnic guy living in non-gentrified Brooklyn for going on half a century, love to be lectured about right and wrong by a pair of liberal multi culti Jews who first engaged in white flight to suburbia, then moved to the whitest state in the union...
     
    ...and Bernie makes three!!
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  112. Deckin says:

    Would say ‘OT’ but I’m not sure there’s anything ever really OT here:

    http://www.wtsp.com/news/transracial-man-born-white-feels-like-he-is-filipino/491290902

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  113. Sean says:

    They chose to move in 1978 to Burlington, Vermont, 45 miles south of the Canadian border. Why? For roughly the same reason Brooklyn-born Bernie Sanders had moved to Burlington a decade before: Vermont’s Diversity!

    Says it all.

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    Well, competing with the other guys at the Flatbush shul is tough, so I'm off to compete with the country goys.
    , @Sean
    NYC has always been a cut-throat place, and the gentile society there very different to Vermont.
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  114. RonaldB says:
    @AnotherDad

    Tobacco production in Rhodesia is now back to normal under black ownership.
     
    This would in fact be an oddity given the general mediocrity of blacks relative to whites in organizing agricultural production.

    So I spent one minute pulling up the Wikipedia to look into it and of course ... the story is "more complication". Essentially outsiders are now effectively managing the farms.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_in_Zimbabwe#Recovery

    Whites and Chinese choose the crops, supply the inputs, organize the finances, pay the workers and take the crop. The black owners get paid--i.e. collect the rent due them for being the (hooked up) black that got the redistributed land. It's a mixed system. Blacks are indeed out there driving tractors and producing lots of tobacco. But pretty much all of the higher level decision making on crops and inputs to make it a successful enterprise is being done by non-blacks.

    Yes. I did the same (minimal) work that you did and found the same facts.

    You saw the same phenomenon in, say, Chicago, when Jesse Jackson blackmailed the city government into hiring more black contracting companies. Some lucky black would get to be the cut-out, and the real company was managed and run by whites.

    Of course, such an arrangement in inherently unstable. There is pressure to increase the black representation, and eventually the service itself deteriorates. The contractors in Zimbabwe are mainly foreign companies, Chinese and the like, so the pressure for increasing the black footprint might be easier to resist.

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  115. Lex says:

    OT: Yesterday Moroccans rioted in Brussels because Morocco advanced to World Cup in Russia.

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  116. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco
    will post the much more stunning graph of your ethnic group’s wealth, much less utter a critical peep about it.

    It's only 'stunning' to people bothered by Jews a priori, which seems to include about half the participants on these boards. No clue why you'd utter 'critical peeps' about the assets of Jews.

    I’m usually not on the side of anti-Semites, but it does seem hypocritical to me that a graph show that say 77% of the population controls 90% of the wealth is A-OK (when said 77% represents white people) but for Ben & Jerry (or anyone mainstream) to publish a graph showing that say 2% the population (American Jews) own 12% of the wealth (I don’t know the actual % but around 1/4 of the Forbes billionaire list is Jewish and I’m pretty sure the ratio is MUCH higher than 90/77) and suggesting that we need to “fix this” would be pretty much inconceivable.

    In fact, it’s kind of nuts for Jews to keep identifying with blacks when they have so little in common with them (as you would expect for 2 groups that sit on the opposite ends of the Bell Curve) and when blacks are not really keen on liking them.

    The only explanation I can think of is that most ethnic groups adopt a self-image in their head and they keep that self-image regardless of how reality has changed. For blacks it will always be 1965 with white people ready to loose the dogs on them. For Jews, it’s always 1903 and they are still manning the pushcarts on Orchard Street and being kept out of country clubs (or else it’s 1938 and the SS is smashing their shop window). For the mainland Chinese it’s always 1840 and they are being humiliated by the West in the Opium Wars. For WASPs, it’s alway 1789 or 1865 and they are expounding wisdom and science and enlightening the lesser races. We are always going on here about Current Year thinking but a lot of Current Year thinking involves highly selective memory of past events. No one wants to live in the actual current year and deal with reality as it is today.

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    I’m usually not on the side of anti-Semites,
     
    Why is it "anti-semitic" to notice what you yourself (and other Jews as well) have noticed. There are failings that my own people have. I wouldn't call you anti-anglo-saxon for noticing them.
    , @GourmetDan

    "In fact, it’s kind of nuts for Jews to keep identifying with blacks when they have so little in common with them (as you would expect for 2 groups that sit on the opposite ends of the Bell Curve) and when blacks are not really keen on liking them."
     
    I think it's more an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" type of deal...
    , @Art Deco
    Yours is about the 6th response to my remark. Pretty much all of them rebuke Ben and Jerry for not conceiving of themselves as manifestations of American Jewry and being, qua Jews, appropriately circumspect to please the lout cotillion. That's pretty asinine, but it makes perfect sense to a collection of fools who are in a slow burn at the Jewish population because Hy Goldberg gave them a failing performance review in 1994.

    Ben and Jerry are minor nuisances. They know their own business but not much else (which doesn't prevent them from running their mouth on other matters). They ought to know better, but they don't.

    Someone made reference to Ken Burns. Burns, unlike Ben and Jerry, is a wealthy man courtesy the patronage of PBS (see also Moyers, Bill). Burns has made remarks on race relations far more repellent than Ben and Jerry's inanities. What sort of glass house is he in?
    , @peterike

    In fact, it’s kind of nuts for Jews to keep identifying with blacks when they have so little in common with them

     

    Well, Jews "identify" with blacks the way a cave man "identifies" with a club. It's just something you use to beat your enemies.
    , @Art Deco
    In fact, it’s kind of nuts for Jews to keep identifying with blacks when they have so little in common with them (as you would expect for 2 groups that sit on the opposite ends of the Bell Curve) and when blacks are not really keen on liking them.

    It's doubtful American Jews, looked at as an aggregate, 'identify with blacks' or ever did. It is likely true that they were a great deal less hostile to blacks in the course of civic and public life than was the median disposition in 1948. I'm not sure why you'd expect some chaps whose father's from Bialystok to replicate the tastes and prejudices of the man from Biloxi. Jews have their own reasons for adopting the stances they do in the course of whatever time and effort they devote to cogitating about public affairs. It's quite conceivable that public interest lawyers 'identify with blacks' in some way. People who earn their living that way are a tiny sliver of the working population, inside and outside American Jewry.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    I joked around with someone below about the "side of anti-Semites" line, but I would like your definition since it's a word, much like racist, that seems to get thrown around a lot. Indeed, for many (myself included), both words have become something of a joke due to their overuse, and, typically, a sign of someone trying to shut down a discussion in a devious or lazy way.

    However, that being said, you seem to be a thoughtful, insightful person, so I'd like your opinion on what the hell that word actually means and whether you think that it is overused. Frankly, I would think that that Jews would be concerned about how anti-Semitic may be losing its punch (at least around these parts, though we may be something of a canary in a coal mine) due to overuse.

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  117. L Woods says:
    @PhysicistDave
    When I think back over my life, I realize that nearly all of the people who have done really nasty things to me have been white.

    I suppose that is largely because I have generally taken care not to live in the parts of town where I am likely to be mugged, shot in a drive-by shooting, etc.

    So... I wonder if maybe we could all refine our model of nasty interactions within and between races:

    A) The people who are most likely to use positions of power to harass, intimidate and exploit other people are white people -- I'm thinking of the Clintons, the whole Bush family, Bernanke, Obama, etc, and all their lower level imitators across the nation and among our institutions and bureaucracies.

    B) Most of the victims of these power-hungry abusive whites are also whites -- largely because most Americans are white but also because it's easier for bureaucrats to intimidate Dilbert than to intimidate some gang-banger.

    C) The people who are disproportionately likely to use gross physical violence against their fellow Americans are NAMs.

    D) And the victims of this brutal physical violence are also disproportionately NAMs.


    This is not a rigid taxonomy: the policies promulgated by the exploitative elite do injure NAMs, and nasty street thugs certainly do sometimes attack white people. And there are a handful of token NAMs among the elite and some whites among the street thugs.

    But being explicit about the statistical reality does help us remember that it is not primarily white privilege vs. non-white victims nor is it mainly non-white thugs vs. white victims.

    The fights are largely within the separate races, not between the races.

    Either pretending that it is primarily privileged whites vs. victimized non-whites or pretending that it is primarily non-white thugs vs. middle-class white victims obscures the reality and keeps us from dealing properly with both the vicious elite and the vicious street thugs.

    Of course, the ruling elite does hurt everybody and the street thugs also do hurt everyone, but quantitatively the impacts differ dramatically among the races.

    Anyone want to agree or argue that this is a better way to think of what is happening in our society today? (I suspect that almost everyone who pays attention to modern life basically knows this to be true, but it seems rarely to be spelled out clearly and explicitly.)

    This is why my sense of white identity is defensive at most. I have no love for my fellow (no echo) white people.

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  118. Olorin says:
    @whorefinder
    P.S.

    I love being lectured by sugar-milk makers on how evil I am.

    P.P.S.

    Why do Middle Eastern Americans like Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield have such a intrinsic, illogical hatred of European Americans, and an irrational desire to blame them for everyone's problems?

    Maybe because it works as a population genetics strategy?

    I’d say Slavzhkenazim for these two guys, but the ME roots of their meme seems accurate enough. At least judging from how their memecestors started retconning themselves into white Mediterranean culture a good 2300 years ago.

    We wuz slaves, etc.

    Gmirkin argues that the “Hebrew Pentateuch was composed in its entirety about 273 BC by 72 Jewish scholars at Alexandria.”[16] Combining archaeological discoveries with meticulous textual analysis, Gmirkin demonstrates a heavy literary dependence of Genesis on Berossus’s Babyloniaca (278 BC) and Exodus on Manetho’s Aegyptiaca (ca. 285–280 BC), as well as a general reliance of Exodus on literary sources available at Alexandria’s Great Library. Contrary to allegations that Manetho engaged in polemics against the Jews as a response to Exodus, Gmirkin points out that his narrative does not mention the Jews by name, referring instead to a tribe of mixed ethnic origin known as the Hyksos (Egyptian for ‘rulers of foreign countries’). Furthermore, Manetho’s account “displays no awareness of the biblical account,” and “can be demonstrated to have drawn exclusively on native Egyptian sources.”[17]

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/01/07/exodus-redux-jewish-identity-and-the-shaping-of-history/ (Andrew Joyce btw)

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    From the intro at the link:

    [T]he Exodus looms large as an early and extremely influential psychological landmark in the lachrymose and highly dubious pseudo-history of the Jewish people
     
    That's when I stopped reading. This is the very definition of a polemic - there is not even a pretense of objectivity.
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  119. Olorin says:

    Anybody else remember this?

    American Chronicles
    July 8, 1985 Issue
    COMPETITORS

    By Calvin Trillin

    The New Yorker, July 8, 1985 P. 31

    AMERICAN CHRONICLES about Haagen-Dazs and Ben & Jerry’s Homemade ice cream companies, and about a dispute between the two. Reuben Mattus is the founder of Haagen-Dazs and, by just about any account, the creator of the field that is known as “superpremium” ice cream. In his early seventies, he is still chairman of the company. His story is that of the prototypical immigrant entrepreneur – the plugger who overcomes his lack of education and capital with tenacity, hard work, and one brilliant idea. Tells about his career, and why the idea for Haagen-Dazs, a quality ice cream developed when most other companies were trying to produce cheam ice cream, worked. Tells how Mattus came up with the name, which doesn’t mean anything. Ben & Jerry’s began 18 years after Haagen-Dazs, in 1978. Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield were high school pals from Long Island who wanted to move to a quiet college town and start some more or less entertaining business. Tells how they decided on ice cream, how they started, and about their unusual approach to running a business. In 1981 a cover story on ice cream in Time Magazine added momentum to what had been a steady expansion of their wholesale operation. In 1983 a new plant was financed partly by the floating of an intrastate stock issue for which only bona-fide Vermont residents were eligible. Meanwhile the manufacturers of Haagen-Dazs had allegedly told distributors in Boston and Conn. who handle both brands of ice cream to cease dealing with Ben & Jerry’s as a condition for the distributor’s continuing to distribute Haagen-Dazs. Tells about the complaint filed by Ben & Jerry’s, and about their campaign against Pillsbury, which owns Haagen-Dazs, which led to an out-of-court settlement.

    I realized how shrewd B&J was and were when they were among the earliest corporate supporters of Wisconsin small family farmers in their drive for rBGH labeling.

    rBGH is a genetically engineered hormone designed to massively increase bovine lactation secretions and massively decrease the number of uppity non-Hive Wisconsinites (etc.) who can leverage effects on things like dairy farming, land policy, agricultural policy and research, and presidential elections.

    When Monsanto was literally driving small dairy farmers into the grave with legal harassment, B&J saw the writing on the wall regarding the lucrative possibilities of organic and related production and market segment. Which is to say, it was never my impression that B&J cared about family farmers nearly so much as caring about using orderly, productive whites to leverage sales for themselves.

    These days, it appears, selling the message of “you are a racist” to the upscale appears to be their thing. We shall see how this works.

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  120. Jack D says:
    @eah
    whites once again obsess tirelessly about themselves and about one another!

    Actually, no we don't -- none of the Whites (note capitalization) I know "obsess" about POC -- however since as I said in an earlier comment we 'carry them on our backs economically', a growing number of red-blooded white non-cuck males are getting pretty fucking sick of listening to their bitching and whining.

    To the extent they bitch and whine, the same goes for Asians too.

    http://i.imgur.com/Rf3TSs0.png

    I have no idea what this graph means.

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  121. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I want my ice cream cold, not scold.

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  122. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "Why would anyone expect that people who’ve grown up sharing a culture will treat new arrivals as though they belong and deserve a share of wealth and opportunity that their parent’s generation bequeathed to them and not to the new arrivals?"

    Because if the new arrivals are white, they are automatically "one of us". You know, "our kind of people", right?

    "Immigrants are here as free-riders, stealing from the heritage of those whose ancestors built America to what it is today. I wouldn’t share my parent’s estate with strangers, so why should I share my culture with them"?

    For the love of God, it's not your culture, it's our culture, one forged by a wide range of racial and ethnic groups. Furthermore, remember that those "ancestors" you refer to were also derided and devalued by nativists when they first arrived.

    https://hti.osu.edu/opper/lesson-plans/immigration/images/looking-backward

    For the love of God, it’s not your culture, it’s our culture, one forged by a wide range of racial and ethnic groups.

    I recognize no “we” that includes “you”, no “ours” that includes “yours”. F**k your culture, you tool.

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    "I recognize no “we” that includes “you”, no “ours” that includes “yours”. F**k your culture, you tool."

    You have that liberty not to recognize your fellow white American citizen. But the fact remains, potty mouth, that we are one and of the same culture.
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  123. @Jack D
    Not just whites but specifically Northern Europeans. 75% of Jews are lactose intolerant (vs. 90% of E. Asians).

    Fortunately, whitey has also found the cure. They figured out a way to grow in culture and isolate the lactase enzyme that is lacking in most non-Northern European adults, which is what allows you to digest milk. In N. Europeans the gene that produces lactase in your gut does not turn off when you are past the age of weaning; in other races it does. Until the keeping of dairy animals became widespread in the last 10,000 years, it didn't make any sense for your body to keep producing this unneeded enzyme in adulthood - it would have been a survival advantage to NOT spend the energy on its production but then the keeping of dairy animals conferred an even greater advantage to those who practiced it. (This BTW is a favorite evolutionary trick - it's very hard to introduce new traits that don't exist in your species (for example to get humans to digest hay like cows) but it's relatively easy to take a juvenile trait and extend it into adulthood). The enzyme is either added to milk and other dairy products (e.g. Lactaid milk) or sold in pill form.

    This explains something I mentioned here a long time ago: Lactose intolerance was not something we heard about or cared about until recently. The vast majority of Americans didn’t have the problem and knew nothing about it. Then it started to sound like it was something we all should worry about, like “oh, gee, maybe I’m lactose intolerant because I farted last night after eating Ben & Jerry’s Kale and Dog Shit ice cream.”

    Nobody bothered to tell us about the genetic differentiation, that it simply is not our problem. We were willfully encouraged to think that lactose intolerance might be a problem for everybody and anybody — and by extension to look a little sideways at dairy foods in general. To do otherwise would be “intolerant,” after all.

    Here though is a real problem a lot of Americans have: As you say, “… it’s relatively easy to take a juvenile trait and extend it into adulthood.” Yes. Our young people are being encouraged to do that now, and I’m not talking about generating lactose enzymes.

    How long before they shut down college cafeterias and demand that all foods containing lactose be banned? After all, white privilege is the only reason real milk is served.

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    How long before they shut down college cafeterias and demand that all foods containing lactose be banned?
     
    They have gone nuts about banning peanut butter in elementary school cafeterias in a typical modern letting the minority ruin it for the vast majority fashion, but I don't think you have to worry about milk. As I mentioned Big Dairy has gotten ahold of lactose free stuff and it is big business now. Coca-Cola is promoting its own brand of lactose free milk (Fairlife). Social justice is not allowed to f&ck with the priorities of big business in America, only mom & pop bakeries and such. Instead what may happen is that ALL milk will become lactose free ("for your convenience"). Lactose free milk sells for around double what regular milk costs (it probably costs the dairy 5 cents extra to treat a gallon). The dairy industry views plain milk as a low margin legacy business that they would like to phase out, the way Verizon views land line phones.


    Lactose free milk tastes strangely sweet because lactose is a disaccharide composed of galactose and glucose. Whole lactose is perceived by your taste buds as only being 15% as sweet as table sugar (sucrose) but when you break it enzymatically, the 2 component sugars are perceived as being around 65% as sweet. It's OK in coffee and cereal where you probably have sweeteners already but for drinking straight it tastes strange until you get used to it. I have it in my house because everyone except me is lactose intolerant and now when I drink regular milk THAT tastes strange - it's all about what you are used to.
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  124. Mr. Anon says:

    Perhaps Ben and Jerry should show a graph that displays wealth and who has it broken down in such a way as to include the group that Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield belong to. Would that then be evidence of something sinister and unjust?

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  125. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D
    I'm usually not on the side of anti-Semites, but it does seem hypocritical to me that a graph show that say 77% of the population controls 90% of the wealth is A-OK (when said 77% represents white people) but for Ben & Jerry (or anyone mainstream) to publish a graph showing that say 2% the population (American Jews) own 12% of the wealth (I don't know the actual % but around 1/4 of the Forbes billionaire list is Jewish and I'm pretty sure the ratio is MUCH higher than 90/77) and suggesting that we need to "fix this" would be pretty much inconceivable.

    In fact, it's kind of nuts for Jews to keep identifying with blacks when they have so little in common with them (as you would expect for 2 groups that sit on the opposite ends of the Bell Curve) and when blacks are not really keen on liking them.

    The only explanation I can think of is that most ethnic groups adopt a self-image in their head and they keep that self-image regardless of how reality has changed. For blacks it will always be 1965 with white people ready to loose the dogs on them. For Jews, it's always 1903 and they are still manning the pushcarts on Orchard Street and being kept out of country clubs (or else it's 1938 and the SS is smashing their shop window). For the mainland Chinese it's always 1840 and they are being humiliated by the West in the Opium Wars. For WASPs, it's alway 1789 or 1865 and they are expounding wisdom and science and enlightening the lesser races. We are always going on here about Current Year thinking but a lot of Current Year thinking involves highly selective memory of past events. No one wants to live in the actual current year and deal with reality as it is today.

    I’m usually not on the side of anti-Semites,

    Why is it “anti-semitic” to notice what you yourself (and other Jews as well) have noticed. There are failings that my own people have. I wouldn’t call you anti-anglo-saxon for noticing them.

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    You're assuming that the word "anti-Semitic" actually means something specific.

    No, no, my friend, anti-Semitic - like racist - means whatever a Jew wants it to mean at that moment to put you on the defensive and to make any fact that you're trying to discuss into a Hate Fact that should be ignored lest others being called anti-Semitic.

    Now, Webster's Dictionary defines anti-Semitic as this: "feeling or showing hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a cultural, racial, or ethnic group."

    Hmm. I don't see anything about discussing facts about Jews, such as their wealth relative to non-Jewish whites or their oversized influence relative to non-Jewish whites.

    But it seems that to Jews, noticing anything about them at all, is "showing hostility toward" Jews and, therefore, anti-Semitic. (I mean, we all know that the Cossacks are just over the hills waiting for their chance, right. If the rubes start noticing us, it's just a hop, skip and a jump to gas chambers in Ohio, so let's not take any chances.) As a result, it seems that for Jews, it is anti-Semitic for a non-Jew (any color) to acknowledge Jews as a people at all, except to very occassionally praise them but even that should be kept very, very quiet (perhaps a toast at a high-end banquet).
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  126. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Some of the most militant anti-racism promoters are the older half of the baby boomers. The reason we’re being plagued with their ideology is because they’ve reached the age where they’re in charge of a lot of our institutions, and you can’t teach old dogs new tricks. They’re too old to adjust to reality anymore, and they don’t accept any data that contradicts their thinking. I’ll be glad when they retire and die off. Every new year shrinks their numbers.

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  127. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Note: Ben & Jerry's is not actually betting the company.
     
    Their new flavor sucks:

    L’Chaim Migration

    In recognition of the Statue of Liberty poem! Grated shards of bitter chocolate are dumped in a huddled mass on a bedrock of vanilla ice cream. Topped with a crunch-tastic cookie time bomb.
     

    It’s been a century or so since Americans got fully conditioned about the priorities of their dietary and other habits.

    Cohen & Greenfield’s unilevering, fellow traveling predecessors from Tin Pan Alley took care of it in order to tikun olam culturally imperfect goyishe kopfs.

    And they did tremendous job.

    According to McMuffinpedia, one of the biggest contributions of Tin Pan Alley’s echo-chambering batch of immigrants with a very special cultural needs, was to be first to specialize in popular songs rather than hymns or classical music .

    So-Called Good Times:

    That Good Times Ain’t Comming Back:

    And Now, We Are Here:

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    Hey, donut, I really liked that quintet! What is the movie that the jail scene is from?
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  128. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    will post the much more stunning graph of your ethnic group’s wealth, much less utter a critical peep about it.

    It's only 'stunning' to people bothered by Jews a priori, which seems to include about half the participants on these boards. No clue why you'd utter 'critical peeps' about the assets of Jews.

    I suppose nothing is “stunning” to a dull-witted fool such as yourself.

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  129. gem says:
    @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    I'd like to see similar charts for Rhodesia/Zimbabwe for the past 40 years.

    We may be evil blue-eyed devils, but at least we keep ze trains running on time ...

    So where is Ben & Jerry’s chart of wealth dispersion based on religion, i.e. Christian vs. Jew, compared to population proportion?

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  130. @Jack D
    I'm usually not on the side of anti-Semites, but it does seem hypocritical to me that a graph show that say 77% of the population controls 90% of the wealth is A-OK (when said 77% represents white people) but for Ben & Jerry (or anyone mainstream) to publish a graph showing that say 2% the population (American Jews) own 12% of the wealth (I don't know the actual % but around 1/4 of the Forbes billionaire list is Jewish and I'm pretty sure the ratio is MUCH higher than 90/77) and suggesting that we need to "fix this" would be pretty much inconceivable.

    In fact, it's kind of nuts for Jews to keep identifying with blacks when they have so little in common with them (as you would expect for 2 groups that sit on the opposite ends of the Bell Curve) and when blacks are not really keen on liking them.

    The only explanation I can think of is that most ethnic groups adopt a self-image in their head and they keep that self-image regardless of how reality has changed. For blacks it will always be 1965 with white people ready to loose the dogs on them. For Jews, it's always 1903 and they are still manning the pushcarts on Orchard Street and being kept out of country clubs (or else it's 1938 and the SS is smashing their shop window). For the mainland Chinese it's always 1840 and they are being humiliated by the West in the Opium Wars. For WASPs, it's alway 1789 or 1865 and they are expounding wisdom and science and enlightening the lesser races. We are always going on here about Current Year thinking but a lot of Current Year thinking involves highly selective memory of past events. No one wants to live in the actual current year and deal with reality as it is today.

    “In fact, it’s kind of nuts for Jews to keep identifying with blacks when they have so little in common with them (as you would expect for 2 groups that sit on the opposite ends of the Bell Curve) and when blacks are not really keen on liking them.”

    I think it’s more an “enemy of my enemy is my friend” type of deal…

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  131. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Absolutely no offence intended to anyone, but isn’t it curious that the ‘nett per capita wealth’ attributed to the typical African-American woman is orders of magnitude lower than the typical asset value attributed to a typical African-American woman back in the old slave days.

    One thing for certain – the capitalistic market valued system carried out presently in the USA to extremis is very very hard on black women in the sense that the market place – that Friedmanite temple where all is made and all is lost, in the harshest taskmaster of strict, value-free, dispassionate, disinterested utilitarianism, puts but the most nugatory value on the ‘worth’ of African-American women.

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    puts but the most nugatory value on the ‘worth’ of African-American women.

    Personal income per capita of black Americans is about 30% below the mean of this very affluent country. That's hardly nugatory.
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  132. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D
    I'm usually not on the side of anti-Semites, but it does seem hypocritical to me that a graph show that say 77% of the population controls 90% of the wealth is A-OK (when said 77% represents white people) but for Ben & Jerry (or anyone mainstream) to publish a graph showing that say 2% the population (American Jews) own 12% of the wealth (I don't know the actual % but around 1/4 of the Forbes billionaire list is Jewish and I'm pretty sure the ratio is MUCH higher than 90/77) and suggesting that we need to "fix this" would be pretty much inconceivable.

    In fact, it's kind of nuts for Jews to keep identifying with blacks when they have so little in common with them (as you would expect for 2 groups that sit on the opposite ends of the Bell Curve) and when blacks are not really keen on liking them.

    The only explanation I can think of is that most ethnic groups adopt a self-image in their head and they keep that self-image regardless of how reality has changed. For blacks it will always be 1965 with white people ready to loose the dogs on them. For Jews, it's always 1903 and they are still manning the pushcarts on Orchard Street and being kept out of country clubs (or else it's 1938 and the SS is smashing their shop window). For the mainland Chinese it's always 1840 and they are being humiliated by the West in the Opium Wars. For WASPs, it's alway 1789 or 1865 and they are expounding wisdom and science and enlightening the lesser races. We are always going on here about Current Year thinking but a lot of Current Year thinking involves highly selective memory of past events. No one wants to live in the actual current year and deal with reality as it is today.

    Yours is about the 6th response to my remark. Pretty much all of them rebuke Ben and Jerry for not conceiving of themselves as manifestations of American Jewry and being, qua Jews, appropriately circumspect to please the lout cotillion. That’s pretty asinine, but it makes perfect sense to a collection of fools who are in a slow burn at the Jewish population because Hy Goldberg gave them a failing performance review in 1994.

    Ben and Jerry are minor nuisances. They know their own business but not much else (which doesn’t prevent them from running their mouth on other matters). They ought to know better, but they don’t.

    Someone made reference to Ken Burns. Burns, unlike Ben and Jerry, is a wealthy man courtesy the patronage of PBS (see also Moyers, Bill). Burns has made remarks on race relations far more repellent than Ben and Jerry’s inanities. What sort of glass house is he in?

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    I gotta say, nobody plays the insufferable, self-righteous pedant quite as well as Art Deco does.
    , @Jack D
    Two wrongs don't make a right, or as a famous Jewish philosopher said, "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

    In other words, it's wrong to criticize only Ben&Jerry and pay no heed to Ken Burns, but the conclusion you should draw from this is that they should ALL come under criticism, not that we should shut up about Ben&Jerry until Ken Burns gets his full measure.
    , @res

    Someone made reference to Ken Burns. Burns, unlike Ben and Jerry, is a wealthy man
     
    Interesting. You are usually more reliable with the facts than this.

    Ben Cohen $150M: https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/business-executives/ben-cohen-net-worth/

    Jerry Greenfield $150M: https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/business-executives/ben-cohen-net-worth/

    Ken Burns $1.5M: http://wikipicky.com/celebrity/ken-burns-wiki-wife-divorce-and-net-worth.html

    That's a pretty big mistake! Care to retract that comment?
    , @Mr. Anon

    @Jack D

    Yours is about the 6th response to my remark.

     

    You should thank Jack D. That's about six more responses than any remark made by you is worth.

    That’s pretty asinine, but it makes perfect sense to a collection of fools who are in a slow burn at the Jewish population because Hy Goldberg gave them a failing performance review in 1994.
     
    Are we to interperet this as projection? Is this Goldberg fellow the guy who kept you from that big promotion to deputy chief assistant librarian?
    , @European-American
    The point is not about Jews at all. The point is not to blame Ben and Jewry for anything special, except as an aside on their occasional ironic blindness to their own situation, something that is also routinely reproached on this forum of countless liberals like Ken Burns or every NPR listener.

    The point is to lament that it has increasingly become ok to accuse one racial group (whites) of racism and privilege for its comparative success. This is not only wrong and stupid but obviously dangerous, and not just for whites, but for any identified successful racial group. Let’s stop the madness!
    , @ben tillman

    Yours is about the 6th response to my remark. Pretty much all of them rebuke Ben and Jerry for not conceiving of themselves as manifestations of American Jewry and being, qua Jews, appropriately circumspect to please the lout cotillion.
     
    No, they're being rebuked for falsely accusing and scapegoating.
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  133. Jack D says:
    @Olorin
    Maybe because it works as a population genetics strategy?

    I'd say Slavzhkenazim for these two guys, but the ME roots of their meme seems accurate enough. At least judging from how their memecestors started retconning themselves into white Mediterranean culture a good 2300 years ago.

    We wuz slaves, etc.


    Gmirkin argues that the “Hebrew Pentateuch was composed in its entirety about 273 BC by 72 Jewish scholars at Alexandria.”[16] Combining archaeological discoveries with meticulous textual analysis, Gmirkin demonstrates a heavy literary dependence of Genesis on Berossus’s Babyloniaca (278 BC) and Exodus on Manetho’s Aegyptiaca (ca. 285–280 BC), as well as a general reliance of Exodus on literary sources available at Alexandria’s Great Library. Contrary to allegations that Manetho engaged in polemics against the Jews as a response to Exodus, Gmirkin points out that his narrative does not mention the Jews by name, referring instead to a tribe of mixed ethnic origin known as the Hyksos (Egyptian for ‘rulers of foreign countries’). Furthermore, Manetho’s account “displays no awareness of the biblical account,” and “can be demonstrated to have drawn exclusively on native Egyptian sources.”[17]
     
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/01/07/exodus-redux-jewish-identity-and-the-shaping-of-history/ (Andrew Joyce btw)

    From the intro at the link:

    [T]he Exodus looms large as an early and extremely influential psychological landmark in the lachrymose and highly dubious pseudo-history of the Jewish people

    That’s when I stopped reading. This is the very definition of a polemic – there is not even a pretense of objectivity.

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    So go read Gmirkin if you have the chops and the Greek.
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  134. Pericles says:
    @The Z Blog
    Back in the middle of the Obama reign, Ken Burns went on a rant about how white people suck because racism. I went into the comments and pointed out that Ken Burns moved from diverse New York City to an all white town on the Vermont - New Hampshire border. I also found a pic of the local high school basketball team that was remarkably white.

    The ensuing frenzy of responses from the Prog readers was hilarious.

    As an aside, I've often thought that a guy like Richard Spencer should start talking about how the alt-right is going to move to Vermont, because it is already a white ethno-state. That would make for some good times.

    Vermont was a pretty close race, wasn’t it?

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  135. peterike says:
    @Jack D
    I'm usually not on the side of anti-Semites, but it does seem hypocritical to me that a graph show that say 77% of the population controls 90% of the wealth is A-OK (when said 77% represents white people) but for Ben & Jerry (or anyone mainstream) to publish a graph showing that say 2% the population (American Jews) own 12% of the wealth (I don't know the actual % but around 1/4 of the Forbes billionaire list is Jewish and I'm pretty sure the ratio is MUCH higher than 90/77) and suggesting that we need to "fix this" would be pretty much inconceivable.

    In fact, it's kind of nuts for Jews to keep identifying with blacks when they have so little in common with them (as you would expect for 2 groups that sit on the opposite ends of the Bell Curve) and when blacks are not really keen on liking them.

    The only explanation I can think of is that most ethnic groups adopt a self-image in their head and they keep that self-image regardless of how reality has changed. For blacks it will always be 1965 with white people ready to loose the dogs on them. For Jews, it's always 1903 and they are still manning the pushcarts on Orchard Street and being kept out of country clubs (or else it's 1938 and the SS is smashing their shop window). For the mainland Chinese it's always 1840 and they are being humiliated by the West in the Opium Wars. For WASPs, it's alway 1789 or 1865 and they are expounding wisdom and science and enlightening the lesser races. We are always going on here about Current Year thinking but a lot of Current Year thinking involves highly selective memory of past events. No one wants to live in the actual current year and deal with reality as it is today.

    In fact, it’s kind of nuts for Jews to keep identifying with blacks when they have so little in common with them

    Well, Jews “identify” with blacks the way a cave man “identifies” with a club. It’s just something you use to beat your enemies.

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  136. Thea says:

    Ah but who created the wealth!

    Defeatist attitude I know but they’ll be sorry when we’re gone.

    Can anything be done to make communism unappealing to losers?

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  137. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D
    I'm usually not on the side of anti-Semites, but it does seem hypocritical to me that a graph show that say 77% of the population controls 90% of the wealth is A-OK (when said 77% represents white people) but for Ben & Jerry (or anyone mainstream) to publish a graph showing that say 2% the population (American Jews) own 12% of the wealth (I don't know the actual % but around 1/4 of the Forbes billionaire list is Jewish and I'm pretty sure the ratio is MUCH higher than 90/77) and suggesting that we need to "fix this" would be pretty much inconceivable.

    In fact, it's kind of nuts for Jews to keep identifying with blacks when they have so little in common with them (as you would expect for 2 groups that sit on the opposite ends of the Bell Curve) and when blacks are not really keen on liking them.

    The only explanation I can think of is that most ethnic groups adopt a self-image in their head and they keep that self-image regardless of how reality has changed. For blacks it will always be 1965 with white people ready to loose the dogs on them. For Jews, it's always 1903 and they are still manning the pushcarts on Orchard Street and being kept out of country clubs (or else it's 1938 and the SS is smashing their shop window). For the mainland Chinese it's always 1840 and they are being humiliated by the West in the Opium Wars. For WASPs, it's alway 1789 or 1865 and they are expounding wisdom and science and enlightening the lesser races. We are always going on here about Current Year thinking but a lot of Current Year thinking involves highly selective memory of past events. No one wants to live in the actual current year and deal with reality as it is today.

    In fact, it’s kind of nuts for Jews to keep identifying with blacks when they have so little in common with them (as you would expect for 2 groups that sit on the opposite ends of the Bell Curve) and when blacks are not really keen on liking them.

    It’s doubtful American Jews, looked at as an aggregate, ‘identify with blacks’ or ever did. It is likely true that they were a great deal less hostile to blacks in the course of civic and public life than was the median disposition in 1948. I’m not sure why you’d expect some chaps whose father’s from Bialystok to replicate the tastes and prejudices of the man from Biloxi. Jews have their own reasons for adopting the stances they do in the course of whatever time and effort they devote to cogitating about public affairs. It’s quite conceivable that public interest lawyers ‘identify with blacks’ in some way. People who earn their living that way are a tiny sliver of the working population, inside and outside American Jewry.

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    Well, one such manifestation would be identification as a Democrat, since Democrats are in effect the Black Party in America - not all Democrats are black but virtually all blacks are Democrats. We know that Jews (and not just professional activists but all Jews) identify as Democrats at a much higher rate than other whites.

    I've already mentioned this strange living in the past obsession. Maybe my grandpa came from Bialystok in 1905 and yours has lived in Biloxi since 1705, but if you are my next door neighbor in the suburbs or work in the next office, you and I have a lot more in common than I have with a black single mother living in the projects.
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  138. peterike says:
    @Art Deco
    Yours is about the 6th response to my remark. Pretty much all of them rebuke Ben and Jerry for not conceiving of themselves as manifestations of American Jewry and being, qua Jews, appropriately circumspect to please the lout cotillion. That's pretty asinine, but it makes perfect sense to a collection of fools who are in a slow burn at the Jewish population because Hy Goldberg gave them a failing performance review in 1994.

    Ben and Jerry are minor nuisances. They know their own business but not much else (which doesn't prevent them from running their mouth on other matters). They ought to know better, but they don't.

    Someone made reference to Ken Burns. Burns, unlike Ben and Jerry, is a wealthy man courtesy the patronage of PBS (see also Moyers, Bill). Burns has made remarks on race relations far more repellent than Ben and Jerry's inanities. What sort of glass house is he in?

    I gotta say, nobody plays the insufferable, self-righteous pedant quite as well as Art Deco does.

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  139. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @ic1000
    > Think about this: while median wealth for a single white woman in the US is $41,000, the median wealth for a black woman is $100. And for single Latinas it’s $120. That’s almost unbelievable—and it’s a huge racial-justice issue.

    I promise to listen attentively to Ben's and Jerry's social justice lecture once they've met my standards for probity. That means that each of them renounces their membership in the 1% by separating from their excess wealth. They may donate it anonymously to the Salvation Army or burn it in a barrel, I don't care which.

    Their families may each keep $41,000, split among cash, checking account, personal possessions, and real estate.

    Perhaps Ben and Jerry should be entitled to a different amount. The wealth of the median white male? Of the median Vermonter? Of the median white entrepreneur? Of the median white entrepreneur who risked everything, sacrificed, took great risks, and worked long hours to achieve success in business?

    Sorry, I got carried away. At any rate, I'm open to negotiation on that point.

    Liberals do not understand how poor people view money. The poor think it’s something you spend, not something you keep. The poor are poor because they are a pool of people with lousy impulse control and a strong need for gratification. If they have money, it does make them feel good, but they they feel a lot better, in a Skinnerian sense, when they buy something with it. Therefore, cash is immediately spent on goodies. A lot of people have a nervous system that is hard-wired like this.

    Northeast WASP liberals, who are the descendants of the self-denying Puritans, absolutely do not have any understanding of this. Their own impulse is to save money because its possession makes them feel secure. They feel their best when they’re at their most secure. The poor feel their best when they’re blowing it all in a frenzied, orgasmic binge. That binge is everything to the poor. Achieving it is the most important thing in their life, and it’s the only goal they have. White liberals do NOT understand that there is a fundamental difference between the way the upper-middle class feels and the way the poor feel when it comes to their neural wiring regarding gratification. And this difference is genetically based. It’s not something you can easily change with behavior modification lessons.

    If you hand the average black woman or Latina $41,000 in cash, they’re going to spend it to the hilt on clothes, makeup, jewelry, and hair salons. They don’t intend to save it for retirement. They don’t think that far ahead because of their low IQs and the shorter time horizon a low IQ gives you, and if your remind them of old age, they don’t care. Their whole attitude is that you spend money whenever you get it, and life on earth is meant to be partied away, and who cares what happens decades down the line?

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  140. peterike says:

    Jews “identifying” with blacks.

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  141. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous
    Absolutely no offence intended to anyone, but isn't it curious that the 'nett per capita wealth' attributed to the typical African-American woman is orders of magnitude lower than the typical asset value attributed to a typical African-American woman back in the old slave days.

    One thing for certain - the capitalistic market valued system carried out presently in the USA to extremis is very very hard on black women in the sense that the market place - that Friedmanite temple where all is made and all is lost, in the harshest taskmaster of strict, value-free, dispassionate, disinterested utilitarianism, puts but the most nugatory value on the 'worth' of African-American women.

    puts but the most nugatory value on the ‘worth’ of African-American women.

    Personal income per capita of black Americans is about 30% below the mean of this very affluent country. That’s hardly nugatory.

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    OT

    The establishment is really all-in on this.

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    Just to note: Angus Deaton and Anne Case published their new paper Mortality and morbidity in the 21st century in 2017 -- about the very real phenomenon of dramatically rising morbidity among lower class Whites -- this award could have been given to them -- instead it was given to a failed QB/attention whore, ostensibly for his phony grandstanding about non-existent black victimization.
    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    So Colin Kaepernick is the new gay icon???

    Was his afro inspired by Richard Simmons???

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  143. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    This explains something I mentioned here a long time ago: Lactose intolerance was not something we heard about or cared about until recently. The vast majority of Americans didn't have the problem and knew nothing about it. Then it started to sound like it was something we all should worry about, like "oh, gee, maybe I'm lactose intolerant because I farted last night after eating Ben & Jerry's Kale and Dog Shit ice cream."

    Nobody bothered to tell us about the genetic differentiation, that it simply is not our problem. We were willfully encouraged to think that lactose intolerance might be a problem for everybody and anybody -- and by extension to look a little sideways at dairy foods in general. To do otherwise would be "intolerant," after all.

    Here though is a real problem a lot of Americans have: As you say, "... it’s relatively easy to take a juvenile trait and extend it into adulthood." Yes. Our young people are being encouraged to do that now, and I'm not talking about generating lactose enzymes.

    How long before they shut down college cafeterias and demand that all foods containing lactose be banned? After all, white privilege is the only reason real milk is served.

    http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/lookandlearn-preview/A/A010/A010449.jpg

    How long before they shut down college cafeterias and demand that all foods containing lactose be banned?

    They have gone nuts about banning peanut butter in elementary school cafeterias in a typical modern letting the minority ruin it for the vast majority fashion, but I don’t think you have to worry about milk. As I mentioned Big Dairy has gotten ahold of lactose free stuff and it is big business now. Coca-Cola is promoting its own brand of lactose free milk (Fairlife). Social justice is not allowed to f&ck with the priorities of big business in America, only mom & pop bakeries and such. Instead what may happen is that ALL milk will become lactose free (“for your convenience”). Lactose free milk sells for around double what regular milk costs (it probably costs the dairy 5 cents extra to treat a gallon). The dairy industry views plain milk as a low margin legacy business that they would like to phase out, the way Verizon views land line phones.

    Lactose free milk tastes strangely sweet because lactose is a disaccharide composed of galactose and glucose. Whole lactose is perceived by your taste buds as only being 15% as sweet as table sugar (sucrose) but when you break it enzymatically, the 2 component sugars are perceived as being around 65% as sweet. It’s OK in coffee and cereal where you probably have sweeteners already but for drinking straight it tastes strange until you get used to it. I have it in my house because everyone except me is lactose intolerant and now when I drink regular milk THAT tastes strange – it’s all about what you are used to.

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    99.9% of all dairy products consumed in this country are "nutritionally dead" corporate concoctions designed for long shelf life and to keep small producers out of the game. (for "Sanitation" reasons) Even when Ben and Jerry were boutique jippie producers of ice cream, they still used corporate ingredients.

    If you've got a few dairy cows on a small farm, the ag inspector police will have your ass locked up if they hear about you giving your neighbors a pail of fresh teat nutritionally alive cow's milk or some homemade cheese or butter.

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  144. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Moses
    I'm a marketer. Cohen and Greenfield were operators.

    I'm convinced all the "Vermont Hippie" stuff was manufactured marketing brilliance. It was just too good to be a coincidence or luck. Highly memorable with a clear personality that supported their "super-premium" pricing and positioning. Miles of free press. "1% of profits for peace" was also brilliant marketing. They co-opted leftism and hippie brands brilliantly.

    They were "local this" and "sustainable that" and "values not profits" then, as Twink points out, they cashed out completely to a giant international corporation.

    Ask them how much of their wealth they shared with blacks.

    A certain set of people have perfected the art of saying they get rich by making their money in a cool, ethical, or admirable way, while actually making it in a less glamorous or less moral way. Messrs Cohen and Greenfield are good exemplars of how good this group is at BSing an inattentive and naive public.

    I’ve also noticed that they even named their company after their first names instead of their surnames to make it less obvious. Other companies that name themselves after a founder always use the founder’s surname.

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  145. whorefinder says: • Website
    @bigduke6

    It’s only ‘stunning’ to people bothered by Jews a priori, which seems to include about half the participants on these boards. No clue why you’d utter ‘critical peeps’ about the assets of Jews.
     
    You truly don't understand how that would be relevant in the context of Jews posting a graph about white wealth as if it were a problem a priori? So much for the myth of Jewish cleverness, then.

    Corvy’s a paid troll from Media Matters, his nonsense can’t be reasoned with, only noted and laughed at.

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    Corvy’s a paid troll from Media Matters, his nonsense can’t be reasoned with, only noted and laughed at.
     
    He is one idiot while Tiny Ducks is a few.
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  146. Rifleman says:
    @neutral

    Founders Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield
     
    One needs to make no further comment, this says it all.

    Ben & Jerry’s (a Unilever brand since 2000) founders Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield were both born in increasingly diverse Brooklyn in 1951.

    They chose to move in 1978 to Burlington, Vermont, 45 miles south of the Canadian border. Why? For roughly the same reason Brooklyn-born Bernie Sanders had moved to Burlington a decade before: Vermont’s Diversity!

    Do we know who actually wrote those articles on the Ben and Jerry website. I’m not bothering with the link but the assumption is two rich, racially hypocritical Jews wrote it as part of an attempt to vilify the goyim.

    Maybe they agree with it but who wrote it and put it up on that site?

    Howard Schultz is similar. Billionaire “anti-racist” Jew who nonetheless claims it is antisemitic to oppose illegal Jewish settlements on the West Bank.

    So its Jewish ethnocentric entitlement and self deception working in tandem with their aggressive vilification of the goyim (Wasps, White America, Europeans).

    This is deeply rooted in Jewish culture to the point that I think it is genetic. It has been selected for in the Jewish tradition.

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  147. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Travis
    you make some great points.

    It also reminded me of an experience my mother had 15 years ago. She was a nurse at a community health Clinic in North Philadelphia, half of her co-workers were Black and 90% of her clients were Black , 10% Puerto Ricans. A Black co-worker invited her over for dinner. When her children came home and sat at the dinner table the first topic of conversation was "What did Whitey do to you today "...this was family tradition , each night at super they discussed the incidences of whites treating them badly. It is surprising they continued with this tradition with my mother (a white women) sitting at the table with them.

    My mother was surprised and related this to story to us. Got me to thinking, I certainly could come home every night and at dinner discuss all the horrible incidences of whites treating me badly each day. It seams almost once per day a white person is rude to me or cuts me off while driving to work etc...

    In ghettos, blacks go entire days without ever encountering anyone who’s white, except for maybe some Indian guy who owns the corner store. Ghetto blacks have almost no white racism to complain about. Even the teachers in their schools and welfare offices are black.

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  148. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco
    In fact, it’s kind of nuts for Jews to keep identifying with blacks when they have so little in common with them (as you would expect for 2 groups that sit on the opposite ends of the Bell Curve) and when blacks are not really keen on liking them.

    It's doubtful American Jews, looked at as an aggregate, 'identify with blacks' or ever did. It is likely true that they were a great deal less hostile to blacks in the course of civic and public life than was the median disposition in 1948. I'm not sure why you'd expect some chaps whose father's from Bialystok to replicate the tastes and prejudices of the man from Biloxi. Jews have their own reasons for adopting the stances they do in the course of whatever time and effort they devote to cogitating about public affairs. It's quite conceivable that public interest lawyers 'identify with blacks' in some way. People who earn their living that way are a tiny sliver of the working population, inside and outside American Jewry.

    Well, one such manifestation would be identification as a Democrat, since Democrats are in effect the Black Party in America – not all Democrats are black but virtually all blacks are Democrats. We know that Jews (and not just professional activists but all Jews) identify as Democrats at a much higher rate than other whites.

    I’ve already mentioned this strange living in the past obsession. Maybe my grandpa came from Bialystok in 1905 and yours has lived in Biloxi since 1705, but if you are my next door neighbor in the suburbs or work in the next office, you and I have a lot more in common than I have with a black single mother living in the projects.

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    Well, one such manifestation would be identification as a Democrat,

    Pretty much characteristic of 1890-1924 immigrant waves and their issue up until about 1966. Voting blacks tended to be Republicans up until about 1932 and still had a large Republican minority as late as 1960. What happened in coarse terms is that the advantage the Democrats had among ethnics evaporated bar among Jews. Now look what happened to the parties after 1966: the Democrats were increasingly a collecting pool of salaried professionals while the Republicans collected evangelicals. Jews are part of the former and quite unapologetically antagonistic to the latter (which, interestingly enough, is not reciprocated that anyone can tell).
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  149. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    Of course, 77% into 90% gives a multiplier only marginally above unity - the implication being that, more or less, white Americans 'pull their own weight' with regard to production, labor and capital in the US economy.

    The only mystery is why black Americans, apparently, economically produce such paltry output.

    It’s hard to assess and quantify the profits from illegal drug sales, theft, black market activities, and prostitution into any normal economic calculation.

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  150. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco
    Yours is about the 6th response to my remark. Pretty much all of them rebuke Ben and Jerry for not conceiving of themselves as manifestations of American Jewry and being, qua Jews, appropriately circumspect to please the lout cotillion. That's pretty asinine, but it makes perfect sense to a collection of fools who are in a slow burn at the Jewish population because Hy Goldberg gave them a failing performance review in 1994.

    Ben and Jerry are minor nuisances. They know their own business but not much else (which doesn't prevent them from running their mouth on other matters). They ought to know better, but they don't.

    Someone made reference to Ken Burns. Burns, unlike Ben and Jerry, is a wealthy man courtesy the patronage of PBS (see also Moyers, Bill). Burns has made remarks on race relations far more repellent than Ben and Jerry's inanities. What sort of glass house is he in?

    Two wrongs don’t make a right, or as a famous Jewish philosopher said, “And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”

    In other words, it’s wrong to criticize only Ben&Jerry and pay no heed to Ken Burns, but the conclusion you should draw from this is that they should ALL come under criticism, not that we should shut up about Ben&Jerry until Ken Burns gets his full measure.

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    Not my point. Ben and Jerry made an inane remark about asset distribution in this country. Now, people say stupid things all the time. Discussion of it (which might have centered on how people manage to accumulate assets salable in lump sums) is transmogrified in unzworld fashion into a bitch session about Jews. There's a great deal of fantasy and substrates of asinine resentment incorporated into that. It's much simpler to just address the issue, but that doesn't give the louts here the satisfaction of flashing their upraised middle fingers. My beef about Burns is (a) he's more obnoxious than Ben & Jerry have ever managed to be and (b) people can discuss Burns without going on poisonous tangents about his cultural background.
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  151. Ok cool story, now lets see the gap between White wealth vs (((Cohen and Greenfield))) wealth.

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  152. @bored identity
    It's been a century or so since Americans got fully conditioned about the priorities of their dietary and other habits.

    Cohen & Greenfield's unilevering, fellow traveling predecessors from Tin Pan Alley took care of it in order to tikun olam culturally imperfect goyishe kopfs.

    And they did tremendous job.

    According to McMuffinpedia, one of the biggest contributions of Tin Pan Alley's echo-chambering batch of immigrants with a very special cultural needs, was to be first to specialize in popular songs rather than hymns or classical music .


    So-Called Good Times:

    https://youtu.be/-0pfP_MD6xA


    That Good Times Ain't Comming Back:

    https://youtu.be/xFHG1rnfO8w


    And Now, We Are Here:

    https://youtu.be/7rK3s_BP9kE?t=1m45s

    Hey, donut, I really liked that quintet! What is the movie that the jail scene is from?

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  153. Bleuteaux says:
    @AnotherDad

    Tobacco production in Rhodesia is now back to normal under black ownership.
     
    This would in fact be an oddity given the general mediocrity of blacks relative to whites in organizing agricultural production.

    So I spent one minute pulling up the Wikipedia to look into it and of course ... the story is "more complication". Essentially outsiders are now effectively managing the farms.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_in_Zimbabwe#Recovery

    Whites and Chinese choose the crops, supply the inputs, organize the finances, pay the workers and take the crop. The black owners get paid--i.e. collect the rent due them for being the (hooked up) black that got the redistributed land. It's a mixed system. Blacks are indeed out there driving tractors and producing lots of tobacco. But pretty much all of the higher level decision making on crops and inputs to make it a successful enterprise is being done by non-blacks.

    So the role of blacks here is literally rent-seeking? Welcome to the future. Of everything.

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  154. @Romanian
    Since when are Whites 77% of the population when immigrants and their children are almost 20%? Once the Middle Eastern census category is adopted,I would be surprised if Whites do not fall below 58%.

    Since when are Whites 77% of the population when immigrants and their children are almost 20%?

    About 35 years ago. They probably just counted all Hispanics as White, which would equal about 77 percent.

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  155. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    IQ and Wealth are the new ‘race’.

    And it makes a kind of crazy sense.

    After all, ‘race’ implies race to get ahead or get on top.

    And in the modern world, IQ is the most effective instrument(or weapon) in this race.

    So, the result will be a cogno-race.

    Both elites and lower order will be race-mixed. But the elites will have more Jewish, northern European, and Asian genes whereas the lower orders will have more Afro, Meso, and ‘white trash’ genes.
    The middle is likely to be less race-mixed as most middle folks are white gentiles.

    IQtopia or Cognopolis, here it comes. Elites will be cognos, everyone will be cogs.

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  156. donut says:

    This seems like a lot of fluff , clickbait ? Why don’t you talk about Andrew Anglin ?

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  157. res says:
    @eah
    whites once again obsess tirelessly about themselves and about one another!

    Actually, no we don't -- none of the Whites (note capitalization) I know "obsess" about POC -- however since as I said in an earlier comment we 'carry them on our backs economically', a growing number of red-blooded white non-cuck males are getting pretty fucking sick of listening to their bitching and whining.

    To the extent they bitch and whine, the same goes for Asians too.

    http://i.imgur.com/Rf3TSs0.png

    Interesting graphic. Not sure how much to trust the numbers though. More discussion at what looks like the source: http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/05/11/fiscal-impact-of-whites-blacks-and-hispanics/

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    Okay, with the benefit of that link, you can begin to make some sense out of the chart.

    The problem is that this is still a static analysis. Let's assume that the chart is correct and each black person receives on average a $10,000 net government subsidy paid for by whites. Does the brother hang onto his $10,000 check? No way. That $10,000 is burning a hole in his pocket. He runs out and spends it on sneakers and rims and whatnot, every cent of it. Car dealers jump for joy every time a black person comes into the dealership because they can be talked into overpaying the most. Aside from the usual retail outlets (WalMart, supermarkets, fast food, etc.) where blacks are valued customers, there are all sorts of (rarely owned by blacks) businesses that cater to black needs ("we need our weaves"). So the $10,000 is not a dead loss to the economy at all.
    , @eah
    One could reasonably question the absolute accuracy of the numbers -- but consider: how many black men spend time in prison during what should be the economically most productive years of their lives; the attendant direct costs of that (police, criminal courts, prison, probation, etc); the indirect costs, eg the 'opportunity cost' of so many men not being economically productive; and the generally low level of black academic attainment, and therefore their resulting low levels of wealth creation -- would you really be surprised if Blacks turned out to be a significant net drag on America?
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  158. Twinkie says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Ben & Jerry made a big deal about being hippie local ice cream makers and then sold out to a conglomerate. Typical left wing hypocrites.
     
    Yes, but they can reacquire their Hippie bona fides by pretending to be woke on the internet from their servant-staffed yachts in the Caribbean.

    Yes, but they can reacquire their Hippie bona fides by pretending to be woke on the internet from their servant-staffed yachts in the Caribbean.

    We are not racists – our servants on the yachts are all white!

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  159. Brutusale says:
    @Moses
    I'm a marketer. Cohen and Greenfield were operators.

    I'm convinced all the "Vermont Hippie" stuff was manufactured marketing brilliance. It was just too good to be a coincidence or luck. Highly memorable with a clear personality that supported their "super-premium" pricing and positioning. Miles of free press. "1% of profits for peace" was also brilliant marketing. They co-opted leftism and hippie brands brilliantly.

    They were "local this" and "sustainable that" and "values not profits" then, as Twink points out, they cashed out completely to a giant international corporation.

    Ask them how much of their wealth they shared with blacks.

    There’s no business in America more protective of their brand than the State of Vermont. Funny thing is the fact that so many (((business people))) there are from New York.

    I think the only Christians I dealt with in the Green Mountain State were buyers at the old IBM facility in Essex Junction!

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    There are fewer than 5,000 Jews in Vermont out of a population of more than 600,000. Somehow I doubt they dominate the business community therein.
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  160. @Jack D

    How long before they shut down college cafeterias and demand that all foods containing lactose be banned?
     
    They have gone nuts about banning peanut butter in elementary school cafeterias in a typical modern letting the minority ruin it for the vast majority fashion, but I don't think you have to worry about milk. As I mentioned Big Dairy has gotten ahold of lactose free stuff and it is big business now. Coca-Cola is promoting its own brand of lactose free milk (Fairlife). Social justice is not allowed to f&ck with the priorities of big business in America, only mom & pop bakeries and such. Instead what may happen is that ALL milk will become lactose free ("for your convenience"). Lactose free milk sells for around double what regular milk costs (it probably costs the dairy 5 cents extra to treat a gallon). The dairy industry views plain milk as a low margin legacy business that they would like to phase out, the way Verizon views land line phones.


    Lactose free milk tastes strangely sweet because lactose is a disaccharide composed of galactose and glucose. Whole lactose is perceived by your taste buds as only being 15% as sweet as table sugar (sucrose) but when you break it enzymatically, the 2 component sugars are perceived as being around 65% as sweet. It's OK in coffee and cereal where you probably have sweeteners already but for drinking straight it tastes strange until you get used to it. I have it in my house because everyone except me is lactose intolerant and now when I drink regular milk THAT tastes strange - it's all about what you are used to.

    99.9% of all dairy products consumed in this country are “nutritionally dead” corporate concoctions designed for long shelf life and to keep small producers out of the game. (for “Sanitation” reasons) Even when Ben and Jerry were boutique jippie producers of ice cream, they still used corporate ingredients.

    If you’ve got a few dairy cows on a small farm, the ag inspector police will have your ass locked up if they hear about you giving your neighbors a pail of fresh teat nutritionally alive cow’s milk or some homemade cheese or butter.

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    159 Jim Bob Lissiter > the ag inspector police will have your ass locked up if they hear about you giving your neighbors a pail of fresh teat nutritionally alive cow’s milk


    You are allowed to serve it to them in your own home.

    By the way, what's the closest that you yourself have ever been to ANY dairy operation?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    If you’ve got a few dairy cows on a small farm, the ag inspector police will have your ass...
     
    ...but not the Border Patrol or ICE. They give you free rein, or yoke, as it were.
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  161. res says:
    @Art Deco
    Yours is about the 6th response to my remark. Pretty much all of them rebuke Ben and Jerry for not conceiving of themselves as manifestations of American Jewry and being, qua Jews, appropriately circumspect to please the lout cotillion. That's pretty asinine, but it makes perfect sense to a collection of fools who are in a slow burn at the Jewish population because Hy Goldberg gave them a failing performance review in 1994.

    Ben and Jerry are minor nuisances. They know their own business but not much else (which doesn't prevent them from running their mouth on other matters). They ought to know better, but they don't.

    Someone made reference to Ken Burns. Burns, unlike Ben and Jerry, is a wealthy man courtesy the patronage of PBS (see also Moyers, Bill). Burns has made remarks on race relations far more repellent than Ben and Jerry's inanities. What sort of glass house is he in?

    Someone made reference to Ken Burns. Burns, unlike Ben and Jerry, is a wealthy man

    Interesting. You are usually more reliable with the facts than this.

    Ben Cohen $150M: https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/business-executives/ben-cohen-net-worth/

    Jerry Greenfield $150M: https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/business-executives/ben-cohen-net-worth/

    Ken Burns $1.5M: http://wikipicky.com/celebrity/ken-burns-wiki-wife-divorce-and-net-worth.html

    That’s a pretty big mistake! Care to retract that comment?

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    Interesting. You are usually more reliable with the facts than this.
     
    No, really he isn't.
    , @res
    Argh. Just noticed I forgot to update my cut and paste buffer for the Jerry link. Here it is: https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/business-executives/jerry-greenfield-net-worth/
    , @European-American
    In ArtDeco’s defense, his remark makes more sense if you don’t truncate it:

    Burns, unlike Ben and Jerry, is a wealthy man courtesy the patronage of PBS
     
    He’s not making the obviously wrong comment that somehow Ken Burns is wealthy and Ben and Jerry are not. He’s saying Ben and Jerry made their money as businessmen selling a physical product ordinary people chose to buy, while Ken Burns made his money in the (politically correct) media.
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  162. Brutusale says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    In totally, totally unrelated news...

    Chinese farmers take over former white-owned farms in Zimbabwe to cash in on tobacco

    Chinese farmers have taken over formerly white-owned farms...

    Farms that were badly managed for nearly 20 years, after Robert Mugabe’s mass seizure of white-owned land, are now being worked again in the hope of reaping a potentially huge reward...

    One farm worker in Mvurwi, about 60 miles north of Harare, said there were now plenty of jobs in the district after years of difficulties following the departure of the white landowners. “The Chinese are spending money,” he said...
     

    Excellent find, Chris. There HAD to be a reason.

    Back to the drawing board, Anonymous Hasbara type!

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  163. Jack D says:
    @res
    Interesting graphic. Not sure how much to trust the numbers though. More discussion at what looks like the source: http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/05/11/fiscal-impact-of-whites-blacks-and-hispanics/

    Okay, with the benefit of that link, you can begin to make some sense out of the chart.

    The problem is that this is still a static analysis. Let’s assume that the chart is correct and each black person receives on average a $10,000 net government subsidy paid for by whites. Does the brother hang onto his $10,000 check? No way. That $10,000 is burning a hole in his pocket. He runs out and spends it on sneakers and rims and whatnot, every cent of it. Car dealers jump for joy every time a black person comes into the dealership because they can be talked into overpaying the most. Aside from the usual retail outlets (WalMart, supermarkets, fast food, etc.) where blacks are valued customers, there are all sorts of (rarely owned by blacks) businesses that cater to black needs (“we need our weaves”). So the $10,000 is not a dead loss to the economy at all.

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    I see your point, but that same $10,000 (plus the money to fund the necessary tax and welfare infrastructure) came out of the pockets of taxpayers so it is not being spent by them. And arguably that money would be better spent by the contributors. Then there is the inefficiency of the whole process. The tax and redistribute game is negative sum AFAICT.

    The key point is there is a fundamental zero sum aspect to this game and the more net takers we have the larger the burden on the net contributors. If the numbers in that chart are realistic I wonder if it is possible to communicate to black welfare recipients that enough new non-contributors (e.g. unskilled immigrants) are likely to result in a long term decrease in their benefits. Probably not--too abstract and future oriented a concept.
    , @Yak-15
    That $10,000 is money that could be saved, invested or spent on more beneficial goods. In essence, all the uses you mentioned are complete wastes.
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  164. @Mr. Anon

    I’m usually not on the side of anti-Semites,
     
    Why is it "anti-semitic" to notice what you yourself (and other Jews as well) have noticed. There are failings that my own people have. I wouldn't call you anti-anglo-saxon for noticing them.

    You’re assuming that the word “anti-Semitic” actually means something specific.

    No, no, my friend, anti-Semitic – like racist – means whatever a Jew wants it to mean at that moment to put you on the defensive and to make any fact that you’re trying to discuss into a Hate Fact that should be ignored lest others being called anti-Semitic.

    Now, Webster’s Dictionary defines anti-Semitic as this: “feeling or showing hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a cultural, racial, or ethnic group.”

    Hmm. I don’t see anything about discussing facts about Jews, such as their wealth relative to non-Jewish whites or their oversized influence relative to non-Jewish whites.

    But it seems that to Jews, noticing anything about them at all, is “showing hostility toward” Jews and, therefore, anti-Semitic. (I mean, we all know that the Cossacks are just over the hills waiting for their chance, right. If the rubes start noticing us, it’s just a hop, skip and a jump to gas chambers in Ohio, so let’s not take any chances.) As a result, it seems that for Jews, it is anti-Semitic for a non-Jew (any color) to acknowledge Jews as a people at all, except to very occassionally praise them but even that should be kept very, very quiet (perhaps a toast at a high-end banquet).

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  165. @neutral

    Founders Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield
     
    One needs to make no further comment, this says it all.

    What’s that saying? Oh yeah. Every, single, time!

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  166. njguy73 says:
    @Heros
    Ben and Jerry, as is typical for their tribe, piggy-backed their way to their success on the backs of goyim. In this case it was goyim who were heavily involved with Mkultra.

    I am speaking about the Grateful Dead, and their lead guitarist Jerry Garcia. Very early on, the two homo's made a special flavor in honor of Jerry, called "Cherry Garcia". This allowed Ben and Jerry to infiltrate the organic, anti-war hippy scene though association with this band of CIA controlled culture assassin's. B&J instantly were "in" with this group of subversives and through this association were able to gain rapid brand recognition throughout the coastal cities where the Grateful Dead spread their Mkultra mind control at the behest of the CIA.

    The real question is, was the CIA somehow behind the rise of BJ's? Based upon the tribal membership of the two queers, I think it is incontrovertable.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if, two hundred years from now, people don’t know any more about Jerry Garcia’s music than about General Tso’s military career. They will be food inspirations and nothing more.

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  167. @Jack D
    I'm usually not on the side of anti-Semites, but it does seem hypocritical to me that a graph show that say 77% of the population controls 90% of the wealth is A-OK (when said 77% represents white people) but for Ben & Jerry (or anyone mainstream) to publish a graph showing that say 2% the population (American Jews) own 12% of the wealth (I don't know the actual % but around 1/4 of the Forbes billionaire list is Jewish and I'm pretty sure the ratio is MUCH higher than 90/77) and suggesting that we need to "fix this" would be pretty much inconceivable.

    In fact, it's kind of nuts for Jews to keep identifying with blacks when they have so little in common with them (as you would expect for 2 groups that sit on the opposite ends of the Bell Curve) and when blacks are not really keen on liking them.

    The only explanation I can think of is that most ethnic groups adopt a self-image in their head and they keep that self-image regardless of how reality has changed. For blacks it will always be 1965 with white people ready to loose the dogs on them. For Jews, it's always 1903 and they are still manning the pushcarts on Orchard Street and being kept out of country clubs (or else it's 1938 and the SS is smashing their shop window). For the mainland Chinese it's always 1840 and they are being humiliated by the West in the Opium Wars. For WASPs, it's alway 1789 or 1865 and they are expounding wisdom and science and enlightening the lesser races. We are always going on here about Current Year thinking but a lot of Current Year thinking involves highly selective memory of past events. No one wants to live in the actual current year and deal with reality as it is today.

    I joked around with someone below about the “side of anti-Semites” line, but I would like your definition since it’s a word, much like racist, that seems to get thrown around a lot. Indeed, for many (myself included), both words have become something of a joke due to their overuse, and, typically, a sign of someone trying to shut down a discussion in a devious or lazy way.

    However, that being said, you seem to be a thoughtful, insightful person, so I’d like your opinion on what the hell that word actually means and whether you think that it is overused. Frankly, I would think that that Jews would be concerned about how anti-Semitic may be losing its punch (at least around these parts, though we may be something of a canary in a coal mine) due to overuse.

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    John Hay said of his friend Henry Adams that when he saw Vesuvius reddening he searched for the Jew that was stoking the fire. That's a good working definition of anti-Semite - someone who believes that Jews are the invisible hand behind everything bad that ever happens.
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  168. @Moses
    I'm a marketer. Cohen and Greenfield were operators.

    I'm convinced all the "Vermont Hippie" stuff was manufactured marketing brilliance. It was just too good to be a coincidence or luck. Highly memorable with a clear personality that supported their "super-premium" pricing and positioning. Miles of free press. "1% of profits for peace" was also brilliant marketing. They co-opted leftism and hippie brands brilliantly.

    They were "local this" and "sustainable that" and "values not profits" then, as Twink points out, they cashed out completely to a giant international corporation.

    Ask them how much of their wealth they shared with blacks.

    Both LL Bean and Lands End project a very upscale New England ‘white’ image. They use POC models but when they do, they are generally very light skinned mulattos or Asians. You don’t see a lot of beaners on LL Bean.

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  169. res says:
    @Jack D
    Okay, with the benefit of that link, you can begin to make some sense out of the chart.

    The problem is that this is still a static analysis. Let's assume that the chart is correct and each black person receives on average a $10,000 net government subsidy paid for by whites. Does the brother hang onto his $10,000 check? No way. That $10,000 is burning a hole in his pocket. He runs out and spends it on sneakers and rims and whatnot, every cent of it. Car dealers jump for joy every time a black person comes into the dealership because they can be talked into overpaying the most. Aside from the usual retail outlets (WalMart, supermarkets, fast food, etc.) where blacks are valued customers, there are all sorts of (rarely owned by blacks) businesses that cater to black needs ("we need our weaves"). So the $10,000 is not a dead loss to the economy at all.

    I see your point, but that same $10,000 (plus the money to fund the necessary tax and welfare infrastructure) came out of the pockets of taxpayers so it is not being spent by them. And arguably that money would be better spent by the contributors. Then there is the inefficiency of the whole process. The tax and redistribute game is negative sum AFAICT.

    The key point is there is a fundamental zero sum aspect to this game and the more net takers we have the larger the burden on the net contributors. If the numbers in that chart are realistic I wonder if it is possible to communicate to black welfare recipients that enough new non-contributors (e.g. unskilled immigrants) are likely to result in a long term decrease in their benefits. Probably not–too abstract and future oriented a concept.

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  170. El Dato says:

    Meanwhile systemic rainbowization:

    https://www.rt.com/uk/409760-teacher-trans-girls-christian/

    “Schoolteacher suspended for accidentally calling trans student ‘girl’ tells RT he’s being bullied”

    Christian high school teacher Joshua Sutcliffe has told RT that he believes he is being bullied by the school that suspended him for ‘misgendering’ a student. Sutcliffe says he has been singled out due to his religion.

    Sutcliffe was suspended, investigated, and will face a tribunal this week after he accidentally called a transgender student who identifies as male a girl during a group activity.

    The teacher admits he said “well done girls” to the group that the transgender student was in, and apologized immediately when the student protested his female-gendered words.

    Six weeks after the incident, Sutcliffe was suspended by the Oxfordshire state school that he works for, telling RT today that he feels bullied and isolated by the school,

    ….

    Sutcliffe previously ran a lunchtime bible club that was shut down. It is understood that the group was closed following comments made by Sutcliffe about same sex marriage, telling a student that the bible says marriage is between a man and a woman.

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  171. Mr. Anon says:
    @res

    Someone made reference to Ken Burns. Burns, unlike Ben and Jerry, is a wealthy man
     
    Interesting. You are usually more reliable with the facts than this.

    Ben Cohen $150M: https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/business-executives/ben-cohen-net-worth/

    Jerry Greenfield $150M: https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/business-executives/ben-cohen-net-worth/

    Ken Burns $1.5M: http://wikipicky.com/celebrity/ken-burns-wiki-wife-divorce-and-net-worth.html

    That's a pretty big mistake! Care to retract that comment?

    Interesting. You are usually more reliable with the facts than this.

    No, really he isn’t.

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  172. jon says:

    OT: Transracialism is back in the news, and apparently being taken more seriously this time:

    Ja Du, born a white male named Adam, now considers himself a Filipino.
    He even drives what he calls a Tuk Tuk, an Asian-derived vehicle used for public transit in the Philippines.

    Tampa-based psychologist Stacey Schreckner said she had not encountered a client wanting to change their race. She has, however, worked with clients who otherwise desired different physical features.
    “If someone feels that they feel at home with a certain religion, a certain race, a certain culture, I think that, if that’s who they really feel inside, life is about finding out who you are,” she said. “The more knowledge you have of yourself, the happier you can be”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/11/13/transracial-man-born-white-says-he-feels-filipino/858043001/

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  173. guest says:
    @Yan Shen
    In other words, blacks, Hispanics, and whites once again obsess tirelessly about themselves and about one another! As Ta Nehisi Coates and John Derbyshire prove, it's all black and white, all the time!

    Meanwhile...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHhy2Gk_xik

    You obviously have scant little knowledge of the Derb. You need him to make some sort of argument, I’m still not sure why. Something about balancing out the race obsession of black pseudo-intellectuals with equal and opposite white, right-wing race obsession. Which, if you so desired, could be easily accomplished by choosing any number of white intellectuals who are actually obsessed with race.

    Instead, you pick the Derb. Why? I have no idea. Just stop.

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  174. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco
    Yours is about the 6th response to my remark. Pretty much all of them rebuke Ben and Jerry for not conceiving of themselves as manifestations of American Jewry and being, qua Jews, appropriately circumspect to please the lout cotillion. That's pretty asinine, but it makes perfect sense to a collection of fools who are in a slow burn at the Jewish population because Hy Goldberg gave them a failing performance review in 1994.

    Ben and Jerry are minor nuisances. They know their own business but not much else (which doesn't prevent them from running their mouth on other matters). They ought to know better, but they don't.

    Someone made reference to Ken Burns. Burns, unlike Ben and Jerry, is a wealthy man courtesy the patronage of PBS (see also Moyers, Bill). Burns has made remarks on race relations far more repellent than Ben and Jerry's inanities. What sort of glass house is he in?

    Yours is about the 6th response to my remark.

    You should thank Jack D. That’s about six more responses than any remark made by you is worth.

    That’s pretty asinine, but it makes perfect sense to a collection of fools who are in a slow burn at the Jewish population because Hy Goldberg gave them a failing performance review in 1994.

    Are we to interperet this as projection? Is this Goldberg fellow the guy who kept you from that big promotion to deputy chief assistant librarian?

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  175. @Dumbo
    They are just pandering to their clientele. Whites love love love to be accused of/decry "institutional racism", as long as nothing really changes in their lifestyle. Don't worry you won't see B&J moving their headquarters down to Atlanta anytime soon.

    Suggestion: "White Privilege" flavor: Vanilla & Whitebread.

    Dumbo, this situation seems ripe for an intervention by Jesse Jackson.

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  176. eah says:
    @eah
    OT

    The establishment is really all-in on this.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOiS-WoXUAEqr-4.jpg

    Just to note: Angus Deaton and Anne Case published their new paper Mortality and morbidity in the 21st century in 2017 — about the very real phenomenon of dramatically rising morbidity among lower class Whites — this award could have been given to them — instead it was given to a failed QB/attention whore, ostensibly for his phony grandstanding about non-existent black victimization.

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    Why President Trump Needs to do More about the Opioid Crisis
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/11/13/why-president-trump-needs-to-do-more-about-the-opioid-crisis/
    , @eah
    GQ editors know how to pick them that’s for sure...

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOjV4w0U8AEmgiN.jpg
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  177. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @TangoMan
    Why would anyone expect that a newly arrived immigrant family would have the same wealth as a family which has roots in America going back 50 years, 100 years, 200 years? Parents do leave their life's wealth to their children.

    Why would anyone expect that people who've grown up sharing a culture will treat new arrivals as though they belong and deserve a share of wealth and opportunity that their parent's generation bequeathed to them and not to the new arrivals?

    Immigrants are here as free-riders, stealing from the heritage of those whose ancestors built America to what it is today. I wouldn't share my parent's estate with strangers, so why should I share my culture with them?

    The Ben & Jerry’s wealth comparison was with blacks, whose roots in America generally go further back than those who go back 50 years, 100 years, 200 years.

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    And it was a racist comparison, as it did not break out Jews as a separate group.
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  178. syonredux says:

    Speaking of SJW mania, the response to the WOLFENSTEIN: THE NEW COLOSSUS is rather revealing:

    The New Order wanted you to complete your mission; The New Colossus wants you to kill Nazis.

    Oh, the Nazis you’ll kill, too. Each of Wolfenstein II’s surprisingly old-school, maze-like levels crawls with the motherfuckers, all eager to get gunned down (or axed in the face) by BJ Blazkowicz, aka Terror-Billy. Every one of the game’s weapons feels weighty and powerful, with a strong sense of physicality bolstered by a best-in-class lean function. Killing Nazis with the heavy weapons, especially – melting them with a laser, incinerating them with a diesel launcher, pulping them into hamburger meat with what I can only describe as a shotgun-shell Gatling gun – is an utter joy. It’s the kind of hyper-glorified violence that would normally give me pause, but frankly, in 2017, gunning down video-game Nazis is, as the kids say, “cathartic as fu[**].”

    There’s no way around it: Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus has something blunt to say. Its ultraviolent Nazi slaughter is paired with a story that deals explicitly with cycles of violence and hatred, coming to a firm conclusion that sometimes, turning the other cheek isn’t enough. I’ve never seen a shooter this morally righteous about its use of violence. Usually games either ignore the issue or revel in their amorality, but Wolfenstein II uses its violence to make a statement about the cycle of violence and the ways in which people channel their trauma. BJ Blazkowicz channels his trauma into killing Nazis, and MachineGames clearly reckons that’s justifiable. Frankly, in the context of the story, so do I.

    http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/11/13/wolfenstein-ii-the-new-colossus-game-review-violence-against-violence

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  179. TTSSYF says:
    @Anonymous
    Why? It's not like people in Zimbabwe are smoking it. Africa is quite hot and smoking isn't that popular. The best agricultural strategy is to grow what earns export income.

    It’s a known carcinogen. We donate millions of dollars each year to African countries. They ought to cultivate something healthful for their own use.

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  180. Steven says:

    I think much of this comes down to hatred of the beta male. White betas are expected to be productive but not have any goals of their own for their own lineages.

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  181. And what percentage of wealth do Ben & Jerry’s tribe account for?

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  182. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    http://www.businessinsider.com/james-madison-daily-routine-2017-7

    While in the White House, James and Dolley Madison would also serve guests ice cream. Popular flavors in those days included parmesan, asparagus, and chestnut. Dolley preferred oyster ice cream.

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  183. @eah
    OT

    The establishment is really all-in on this.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOiS-WoXUAEqr-4.jpg

    So Colin Kaepernick is the new gay icon???

    Was his afro inspired by Richard Simmons???

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTioJlvn1mughl_BgY5OiuIoJo-DHVqTQLmYj2AlgXjutzQ_FNm2Q

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  184. @Moses
    I'm a marketer. Cohen and Greenfield were operators.

    I'm convinced all the "Vermont Hippie" stuff was manufactured marketing brilliance. It was just too good to be a coincidence or luck. Highly memorable with a clear personality that supported their "super-premium" pricing and positioning. Miles of free press. "1% of profits for peace" was also brilliant marketing. They co-opted leftism and hippie brands brilliantly.

    They were "local this" and "sustainable that" and "values not profits" then, as Twink points out, they cashed out completely to a giant international corporation.

    Ask them how much of their wealth they shared with blacks.

    I grew up near Burlington, VT, and right at the the time Ben and Jerry’s was founded. They used to give you free ice cream on your birthday, and I still have a Ben and Jerry’s card with my birthday written on it in pink ink. The card says it is good at any Ben and Jerry’s shop “…FOREVER!!!” although I suspect if I tried to use it now, I couldn’t get any free ice cream…

    Anyhow, they were kind of the original Starbucks–that is, authentically trying to strike a balance between profits and “social responsibility.” Like Starbucks, they tend to fall on the side of profits, but their image was true in the early days. Burlington was a hippie town, and Ben and Jerry’s used to be at least as authentically Burlington as Bernie Sanders.

    They initially rebuffed offers by Unilever and refused to meet with Unilever’s CEO at the time. His name escapes me, but he was a “Third Way” executive, a red Commie using a company to exert influence on the world. He had grown up as an anti-establishment hippie, and this shared history of the 60s experience is supposedly what broke the ice between him and Jerry and Ben. He promised to keep the company agitating, so they agreed to sell out.

    Contra the other commenter, they didn’t choose their first names for the company to hide their (((last names))). Burlington was a small town full of hippies and Jews. Everybody knew them and nobody cared. Their first names reflect the relaxed atmosphere of the original company (which atmosphere is gone from their shops now).

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    They initially rebuffed offers by Unilever and refused to meet with Unilever's CEO at the time. His name escapes me, but he was a "Third Way" executive, a red Commie using a company to exert influence on the world. He had grown up as an anti-establishment hippie, and this shared history of the 60s experience is supposedly what broke the ice between him and Jerry and Ben. He promised to keep the company agitating, so they agreed to sell out.
     
    This narrative, like their brilliant brand positioning and marketing, is just a little too perfect.

    As a kid I recall visiting the first Ben & Jerry's scoop shop in the summer of 1978 right across from where Green Mountain Brewery is now in downtown Burlington. I remember two sweaty bearded guys standing on a gravel floor working like crazy. Lines were out the door.

    I agree that the founders may have really believed what they were saying and what their business "stood for", at least at first. But they were also shrewd enough to exploit the hell out of the "just two hippies who like ice cream" founding story" and the Vermont brand with brilliantly calculated marketing. I didn't understand it as a kid, but after years of business experience now I see what they did. Incredible marketing and branding talent.

    I took the Waterbury factory tour a few years ago. Watching the "Ben & Jerry's Story" film at the beginning of the tour I marvelled at the brilliance of their marketing. It was no accident. Cynic that I've become, when the film mentioned how their "50 States Ice Cream Bus" broke down and caught fire I put an 80% probability on the "fire" being intentionally induced or falsified for more free publicity. It's just too good.

    Not taking anything away from Cohen and Greenfield. They are not bad guys. They are talented, shrewd businessmen (the antithesis of "hippies"). By all accounts they treated their employees well. My point is that at the end of the day it was about money for them. And there's nothing wrong with that.

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  185. @eah
    Just to note: Angus Deaton and Anne Case published their new paper Mortality and morbidity in the 21st century in 2017 -- about the very real phenomenon of dramatically rising morbidity among lower class Whites -- this award could have been given to them -- instead it was given to a failed QB/attention whore, ostensibly for his phony grandstanding about non-existent black victimization.
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  186. Romanian says: • Website
    @AndrewR
    Well obviously we have immigrants from all over. One of my best friends is the son of Swiss immigrants, my brother-in-law is Czech, and one of our closest family friends married an Irish guy. All of them are whiter than a Romanian ;)

    But that 77% probably includes a lot of Conquistador-Americans and mestizos, whose behavior, genotypes, phenotypes and self-identification run the gamut. I would also remind you that Donald J Trump is the son of an immigrant, albeit obviously a pre-1965 one.

    If the census rolls out a new category for our Semitic and Semiticized friends, it will be interesting to see how many of them will continue to identify as white. Many middle-eastern Christians hate being lumped in with Moslems but some of these people have hang-ups about race in the American context.

    Of course, Steve Sailer has referenced numerous times how few actual Europeans migrate to the US, as a percentage of the total intake. I cannot tell how much is discrimination and how much is the lack of a reason to migrate (in the case of Western Euros). And I doubt these immigrants are having many kids.

    So, whether your personal social circle is a League of Nations in miniature is immaterial to the fact that a lot of those immigrants will not be European Europeans and only the Conquistadors will have near total European ancestry and I’m not exactly sure how many of the Hispanics are actual Conquistadors, since you do not collect such data. I seem to recall an argument that Mexico is much better now at retaining its lighter hued middle class and elites and it is the mestizos and indios who migrate, with obvious exceptions.

    Should “white at school” Rihanna be considered White? There is obviously a continuum and countries that are off-White, but where do you draw the line and how much of that is less about being Nordic White than being culturally in the group with no foot outside in some secondary identity asserting itself in opposition to the majority (the ultra clannish groups and the grievance addicts).

    Again, the 77% quoted is nonsense on stilts and that was my objection.

    I look forward to the day when, like my Irish brethren before me, I too will be upgraded to White! Though, since I am not, nor will be, a USAian, I just have to be White enough for my part of the world. Given the growth of certain already indigenous elements, I feel that the inevitable regional deflation (as in the opposite of inflation) of Whiteness will heighten my natural pallor by contrast, without having to pull a Sammy Sosa. /iSteve singularity

    PS Here, have your wallet back ;)

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    I didn't realize you were a gypsy ;)

    One thing I've never heard anyone discuss, but which would be very interesting, would be to see the total admixture of all Americans combined. What I mean is, for example, if we assume for simplicity's sake that Barack Obama is 1/2 English and half Kenyan and Michelle is full blood West African, then the "average Obama" is 1/4 English, 1/4 Kenyan and half West African. Extrapolate this out to all Americans and I bet more than 77% of the genes would be European or at least Caucasian.

    Anyway, I concur with you. I'm not a hardcore Muh Purity type. I'm relatively comfortable in multiethnic settings and I'm relatively apathetic about miscegenation and the demographic changes we are undergoing, at least probably compared to most WNs. But indeed, all the anti-white stuff needs to stop and anyone hostile to whites should be physically removed from the US with great urgency if possible.

    While it would be nice to have grandkids someday who look exactly like me, and while my kids will learn that interracial/interethnic relationships are inherently more difficult than intra-ethnic relationships, I don't lose sleep over the thought of my kids marrying mestizos, orientals or even mulattos. But what does scare me is the thought of my grandkids growing up in a society where they're widely despised, exploited and oppressed, and that is the most likely future for white people at our current trajectory.

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  187. Wally says: • Website
    @whorefinder
    P.S.

    I love being lectured by sugar-milk makers on how evil I am.

    P.P.S.

    Why do Middle Eastern Americans like Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield have such a intrinsic, illogical hatred of European Americans, and an irrational desire to blame them for everyone's problems?

    Ben & Jerry, who are Jews First Zionists, are leftist phonies.

    They demand massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe while they support very strict Israeli immigration laws which allow JEWS ONLY.

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  188. Yak-15 says:
    @Jack D
    Okay, with the benefit of that link, you can begin to make some sense out of the chart.

    The problem is that this is still a static analysis. Let's assume that the chart is correct and each black person receives on average a $10,000 net government subsidy paid for by whites. Does the brother hang onto his $10,000 check? No way. That $10,000 is burning a hole in his pocket. He runs out and spends it on sneakers and rims and whatnot, every cent of it. Car dealers jump for joy every time a black person comes into the dealership because they can be talked into overpaying the most. Aside from the usual retail outlets (WalMart, supermarkets, fast food, etc.) where blacks are valued customers, there are all sorts of (rarely owned by blacks) businesses that cater to black needs ("we need our weaves"). So the $10,000 is not a dead loss to the economy at all.

    That $10,000 is money that could be saved, invested or spent on more beneficial goods. In essence, all the uses you mentioned are complete wastes.

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  189. Jack D says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    I joked around with someone below about the "side of anti-Semites" line, but I would like your definition since it's a word, much like racist, that seems to get thrown around a lot. Indeed, for many (myself included), both words have become something of a joke due to their overuse, and, typically, a sign of someone trying to shut down a discussion in a devious or lazy way.

    However, that being said, you seem to be a thoughtful, insightful person, so I'd like your opinion on what the hell that word actually means and whether you think that it is overused. Frankly, I would think that that Jews would be concerned about how anti-Semitic may be losing its punch (at least around these parts, though we may be something of a canary in a coal mine) due to overuse.

    John Hay said of his friend Henry Adams that when he saw Vesuvius reddening he searched for the Jew that was stoking the fire. That’s a good working definition of anti-Semite – someone who believes that Jews are the invisible hand behind everything bad that ever happens.

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    Reasonable. However, what about someone (like, oh, I don't know, me) who believes (because the facts overwhelmingly prove it) that influential Jews are a very important - though not the only - not-so-invisible hand behind a lot things that appear to be geared toward harming my people?

    I like your definition. Unfortunately, I see the word anti-Semitic used ad nauseam against people who are simply pointing out facts, similar to Steve's quip of "PC is a war on noticing."

    Now, are some of those people more than a little testy and somewhat harsh on the Jewish people? At times, yes. But you'd be surprised how frustrating it can get when someone keeps pissing on your head and tells you that it's raining - and then finishes by saying that you deserve it.

    There's a difference between viewing Jews as the boogeyman responsible for all evil things and understanding that influential Jews (who are not reigned in by their community) are one of several reasons for our current predicament. From my experience, people who use the term anti-Semitic don't see the distinction.
    , @Moses
    Fair enough, thank you for the color.

    It will be helpful to add a few examples for clarity. Would you mind letting me know your opinion of whether each of the following statements are "anti-Semitic" [i.e. "anti-Jew"] or not?

    1) Jews largely control Hollywood and the media
    2) Jewish privilege is real -- they control wealth far in excess of their percentage of the population, more than any other ethnic group
    3) Jews attend Ivy league universities at a rate far exceeding their percentage of the population
    4) Jewish interest groups exert powerful influence over American foreign policy in the Middle East

    Thanks for your help.
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  190. @The Z Blog
    Back in the middle of the Obama reign, Ken Burns went on a rant about how white people suck because racism. I went into the comments and pointed out that Ken Burns moved from diverse New York City to an all white town on the Vermont - New Hampshire border. I also found a pic of the local high school basketball team that was remarkably white.

    The ensuing frenzy of responses from the Prog readers was hilarious.

    As an aside, I've often thought that a guy like Richard Spencer should start talking about how the alt-right is going to move to Vermont, because it is already a white ethno-state. That would make for some good times.

    Better yet, the alt-right should, really move to Vermont! Spencer can blare “How Great Thou Art” from the steeples of all those early-American church buildings.

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  191. MBlanc46 says:
    @Yan Shen
    In other words, blacks, Hispanics, and whites once again obsess tirelessly about themselves and about one another! As Ta Nehisi Coates and John Derbyshire prove, it's all black and white, all the time!

    Meanwhile...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHhy2Gk_xik

    Vention meets iSteve. Brilliant.

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  192. anonguy says:

    One progressive trend is already mixing incongruous flavors. Oregon is rife with this stuff, Avocado and Pumpkin Espresso Stout and nearly all of it tastes bad.

    But there is so much of this stuff around, bacon and potatoes chocolate bars, garlic bread and parmesan cheess flavored potato chip, just random ingredients, it clearly is selling.

    Again, the stores here in Oregon are filled to the brim with this stuff, it is often hard to find normal/original flavored varieties of brand/product. I’ve got my theories about why this trend is, but am interesting in hearing from others.

    Anyhow, so people are accepting inferior goods – objectively does not taste as good – for some psychic/ideological/philosophic reason. And like the Commies, the Progressives deliver inferior goods imbued with ideological goodness.

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    One progressive trend is already mixing incongruous flavors. Oregon is rife with this stuff, Avocado and Pumpkin Espresso Stout and nearly all of it tastes bad...I’ve got my theories about why this trend is, but am interesting in hearing from others.


    High levels of openness in the Big 5 personality traits among the population, coupled with the usual progressive hatred for beauty, goodness, and truth.

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  193. @Anonymous
    Based on that Wiki article the black farmers in Zimbabwe are simply connected to international markets for tobacco and receive loans from abroad. Merely being connected internationally doesn't mean direction of operations under non-African managers.

    During the time of white ownership of farms, tobacco was almost entirely sold on international markets and also domestic banks would not have been entirely sufficient to finance commercial farming so other lenders like South African banks would have been part of the picture.

    Whether under black or white ownership, Zimbabwe farms now and then are similarly hooked up to international credit and trade. There is nothing in that Wiki article to show that the recovery in Zimbabwe tobacco production is not led by blacks who have picked up the same skills that white farmers had.

    You’re conveniently ignoring the article I posted in response to your original comment. If you read it closely, you’ll see that the situation it describes is that small-scale Zimbabwean farmers are managing to bring crops to market, while larger-scale farms are failing–these are the ones the article says are attracting Chinese oversight/investment. I.e., Africans can be small farmers but they can’t manage large enterprises–big surprise, huh?

    And by the way, how are these small farmers faring after bringing their goods to Zimbabwean markets?

    Zimbabwe Tobacco Booming, but Farmers Growing It Are Not

    “I will not grow tobacco again,” Hanja said.

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    Your link does not support your claims.

    "At least five farms have attracted Chinese investment in Mashonaland Centra"

    Wow 5 entire commercial farms have been purchased by Chinese investors.That's a pretty limited level of outside investment. Some level of foreign investment in agriculture is common in just about anywhere in the world.

    The article describes some woes in black owned commercial farming but doesn't at all go into detail, certainly not enough to support your claims. It's also funny that white nationalists are now arguing merely that black owned commercial farms are not as well run as during the era of white ownership. It used to be that white nationalists were claiming complete desolation in agriculture due to total black incompetence in farming. Now it has to be grudgingly acknowledge that some 60,000 black farmers have been empowered by the seizure of land from white owners. Moving the goal posts.
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  194. Corvinus says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    For the love of God, it’s not your culture, it’s our culture, one forged by a wide range of racial and ethnic groups. Furthermore, remember that those “ancestors” you refer to were also derided and devalued by nativists when they first arrived.
     
    No. The core American culture that spawned its institutions both political and cultural was a combination of emigres from the British Isles and ethnic Germans. Other groups have contributed here and there over time but the core is the home nations and ethic Germans.

    Can you really say with a straight face that The United States would have become the United States had the East Coast originally been a colony of Italy or Portugal?

    “No. The core American culture that spawned its institutions both political and cultural was a combination of emigres from the British Isles and ethnic Germans.”

    You mean our core political values, which are able to be adopted and applied by newcomers, European or non-European.

    “Other groups have contributed here and there over time but the core is the home nations and ethic Germans.”

    The Dutch and the French also played integral roles here. Certainly our character had a European flavor to it in the beginning, but throughout human history, the composition of nations change, with the culture adapting and adopting along the way. That is the essence of our America.

    “Can you really say with a straight face that The United States would have become the United States had the East Coast originally been a colony of Italy or Portugal?”

    I never made the statement, directly or indirectly.

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    You mean our core political values, which are able to be adopted and applied by newcomers, European or non-European.
     
    They are not able to be adopted and applied by all newcomers, as evidenced by the fact that they don't. Even among those who are not newcomers. Blacks have been here for 400 years, and are incapable of running even so much as a city by the most basic standards of honest republican government that white people take for granted.

    America was a nation, with a people - not an idea, not a set of principals, not a proposition, not a penumbra or an emmanation or a unicorn fart.

    You really are Homo-Public-Broadcastensis, aren't you. You so easily and unthinkingly buy into stale, old, conventional (and wrong) tropes of the most idiotic kind. If I want to know what the hive-mind of NPR thinks, I'll listen to All Things Considered - I don't need to listen to you.

    , @Moses

    Certainly our character had a European flavor to it in the beginning, but throughout human history, the composition of nations change, with the culture adapting and adopting along the way. That is the essence of our America.
     
    This sounds like something you'd find in a "Dear Fellow White People" screed. "That is the essence of our America" is the tell.

    You see, America just had a "European flavor." It's normal and natural and, yes, "American" for founding stock Americans to be replaced by Somalis, Guatemalans and Pakis. Nothing to see here. Close your eyes and move along.

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  195. Corvinus says:
    @Samuel Skinner

    Furthermore, remember that those “ancestors” you refer to were also derided and devalued by nativists when they first arrived.
     
    I'm pretty sure the nativists were right. Remember how England and Ireland are seperate countries? America is like that x10 even before nonwhite immigration.

    “I’m pretty sure the nativists were right. Remember how England and Ireland are seperate countries?
    America is like that x10 even before nonwhite immigration.”

    Then the Germans, Italians, Slavs, Poles, Assyrians, and Chinese ALL have to go back if one takes you seriously.

    But that’s not going to happen, nor should it.

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  196. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon

    For the love of God, it’s not your culture, it’s our culture, one forged by a wide range of racial and ethnic groups.
     
    I recognize no "we" that includes "you", no "ours" that includes "yours". F**k your culture, you tool.

    “I recognize no “we” that includes “you”, no “ours” that includes “yours”. F**k your culture, you tool.”

    You have that liberty not to recognize your fellow white American citizen. But the fact remains, potty mouth, that we are one and of the same culture.

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    Potty mouth? Okay, school marm

    We are not of the same culture. The culture you seem to desire is that of a third-world cesspit. Someday you will get it too. And you will deserve it. Bon appetit, swine.
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  197. Twinkie says:
    @Clyde

    Ben & Jerry made a big deal about being hippie local ice cream makers and then sold out to a conglomerate. Typical left wing hypocrites.
     
    Ben & Jerry are retired, living in some white enclave, and living the high life of multimillionaires. Neither of them wrote this anti-racism piece which was obviously placed there for marketing reasons. Image reasons, even though the lefty hippie founders are long gone. This was likely written by some recent college grad SJW type who was paid a pittance.
    I have never touched their greasy fatty blend which must hit the spot when you are high on marijuana.

    I have never touched their greasy fatty blend which must hit the spot when you are high on marijuana.

    My one vice is ice cream, especially the “super premium” variety (and I have never done any cannabis). All that means is that the ice cream has high butterfat content (as opposed to the cheap kind that taste “airy” because it is devoid of butterfat). I don’t buy commercial ice cream anymore, because my wife makes her own.

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    Whatever happened to NE Asian lactose intolerance? Plus I see that the Japanese and Koreans have lots of dairy laden treats and snacks in their own counties. China would too but not wealthy enough yet.
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  198. @anonguy
    One progressive trend is already mixing incongruous flavors. Oregon is rife with this stuff, Avocado and Pumpkin Espresso Stout and nearly all of it tastes bad.

    But there is so much of this stuff around, bacon and potatoes chocolate bars, garlic bread and parmesan cheess flavored potato chip, just random ingredients, it clearly is selling.

    Again, the stores here in Oregon are filled to the brim with this stuff, it is often hard to find normal/original flavored varieties of brand/product. I've got my theories about why this trend is, but am interesting in hearing from others.

    Anyhow, so people are accepting inferior goods - objectively does not taste as good - for some psychic/ideological/philosophic reason. And like the Commies, the Progressives deliver inferior goods imbued with ideological goodness.

    One progressive trend is already mixing incongruous flavors. Oregon is rife with this stuff, Avocado and Pumpkin Espresso Stout and nearly all of it tastes bad…I’ve got my theories about why this trend is, but am interesting in hearing from others.

    High levels of openness in the Big 5 personality traits among the population, coupled with the usual progressive hatred for beauty, goodness, and truth.

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  199. res says:
    @res

    Someone made reference to Ken Burns. Burns, unlike Ben and Jerry, is a wealthy man
     
    Interesting. You are usually more reliable with the facts than this.

    Ben Cohen $150M: https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/business-executives/ben-cohen-net-worth/

    Jerry Greenfield $150M: https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/business-executives/ben-cohen-net-worth/

    Ken Burns $1.5M: http://wikipicky.com/celebrity/ken-burns-wiki-wife-divorce-and-net-worth.html

    That's a pretty big mistake! Care to retract that comment?

    Argh. Just noticed I forgot to update my cut and paste buffer for the Jerry link. Here it is: https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/business-executives/jerry-greenfield-net-worth/

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  200. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    For years I have had an ethical dilemma. I really like New York Super Fudge Chunk, the Ben and Jerry’s flavor with the most calories and sugar in it. But I hate supporting these two loads of liberal brownass for many reasons.

    Recently I had an acute health issue that has put me on a diet that restricts my eating foods like this and this has made it finally possible to eschew the stuff.

    Before that, though, I developed a deterrent strategy. I mentally retitled the B&J flavor I like best with the title of a favorite Frank Zappa song, “Titties and Beer”. Then, and here’s the masterpiece, I imagined that the mammalian protruberances involved were those of Andrea Dworkin.

    That was surprisingly effective.

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  201. TangoMan says:
    @Corvinus
    "Why would anyone expect that people who’ve grown up sharing a culture will treat new arrivals as though they belong and deserve a share of wealth and opportunity that their parent’s generation bequeathed to them and not to the new arrivals?"

    Because if the new arrivals are white, they are automatically "one of us". You know, "our kind of people", right?

    "Immigrants are here as free-riders, stealing from the heritage of those whose ancestors built America to what it is today. I wouldn’t share my parent’s estate with strangers, so why should I share my culture with them"?

    For the love of God, it's not your culture, it's our culture, one forged by a wide range of racial and ethnic groups. Furthermore, remember that those "ancestors" you refer to were also derided and devalued by nativists when they first arrived.

    https://hti.osu.edu/opper/lesson-plans/immigration/images/looking-backward

    For the love of God, it’s not your culture, it’s our culture

    For the love of God, it’s not your marriage my dear, it’s our marriage and I’ve decided to bring another woman into our marriage. Get used to it.

    Your formulation works like a charm.

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    "For the love of God, it’s not your marriage my dear, it’s our marriage and I’ve decided to bring another woman into our marriage. Get used to it. Your formulation works like a charm."

    Until your wife shoots you in the head in a fit of jealous rage or takes you to divorce court, where she leaves you high and dry. So, in reality, your formula is an invitation to disaster.

    Regardless, one is not married to a culture, he or she is born into it and immerses themselves in it. We "share" certain defined traits as a culture and are beholden to specific ideals, but those characteristics have been reshaped as our nation's demographics have changed to fit those groups of people.
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  202. @Art Deco
    Yours is about the 6th response to my remark. Pretty much all of them rebuke Ben and Jerry for not conceiving of themselves as manifestations of American Jewry and being, qua Jews, appropriately circumspect to please the lout cotillion. That's pretty asinine, but it makes perfect sense to a collection of fools who are in a slow burn at the Jewish population because Hy Goldberg gave them a failing performance review in 1994.

    Ben and Jerry are minor nuisances. They know their own business but not much else (which doesn't prevent them from running their mouth on other matters). They ought to know better, but they don't.

    Someone made reference to Ken Burns. Burns, unlike Ben and Jerry, is a wealthy man courtesy the patronage of PBS (see also Moyers, Bill). Burns has made remarks on race relations far more repellent than Ben and Jerry's inanities. What sort of glass house is he in?

    The point is not about Jews at all. The point is not to blame Ben and Jewry for anything special, except as an aside on their occasional ironic blindness to their own situation, something that is also routinely reproached on this forum of countless liberals like Ken Burns or every NPR listener.

    The point is to lament that it has increasingly become ok to accuse one racial group (whites) of racism and privilege for its comparative success. This is not only wrong and stupid but obviously dangerous, and not just for whites, but for any identified successful racial group. Let’s stop the madness!

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  203. @res

    Someone made reference to Ken Burns. Burns, unlike Ben and Jerry, is a wealthy man
     
    Interesting. You are usually more reliable with the facts than this.

    Ben Cohen $150M: https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/business-executives/ben-cohen-net-worth/

    Jerry Greenfield $150M: https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/business-executives/ben-cohen-net-worth/

    Ken Burns $1.5M: http://wikipicky.com/celebrity/ken-burns-wiki-wife-divorce-and-net-worth.html

    That's a pretty big mistake! Care to retract that comment?

    In ArtDeco’s defense, his remark makes more sense if you don’t truncate it:

    Burns, unlike Ben and Jerry, is a wealthy man courtesy the patronage of PBS

    He’s not making the obviously wrong comment that somehow Ken Burns is wealthy and Ben and Jerry are not. He’s saying Ben and Jerry made their money as businessmen selling a physical product ordinary people chose to buy, while Ken Burns made his money in the (politically correct) media.

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    A Swede once told me that, to the European tongue, root beer tastes an awful lot like toothpaste. It’s regarded as yet another ghastly American abomination.
     
    Yes, I've never met a European who liked root-beer. Baseball either.
    , @Mr. Anon

    He’s saying Ben and Jerry made their money as businessmen selling a physical product ordinary people chose to buy, while Ken Burns made his money in the (politically correct) media.
     
    ............offering a product that people, apparently, wanted. Nobody held a gun to people's heads to get them to watch Burn's shows on the Civil War or Baseball. Those shows were pretty popular, as PBS fare goes.
    , @res
    That's a fair response. Part of the problem is the line break in his comment was right where I truncated. Equating as "wealthy" people who are literally 100x different in wealth is still lame though. IMHO $1.5M is far from wealthy unless you live in a relatively low cost of living area.

    Ken Burns seems too PC both in his work and public persona, but it is worth noting that his Civil War series made prominent use of Shelby Foote whose wonderful three volume history of the Civil War is very sympathetic to the South.
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  204. @Jack D
    John Hay said of his friend Henry Adams that when he saw Vesuvius reddening he searched for the Jew that was stoking the fire. That's a good working definition of anti-Semite - someone who believes that Jews are the invisible hand behind everything bad that ever happens.

    Reasonable. However, what about someone (like, oh, I don’t know, me) who believes (because the facts overwhelmingly prove it) that influential Jews are a very important – though not the only – not-so-invisible hand behind a lot things that appear to be geared toward harming my people?

    I like your definition. Unfortunately, I see the word anti-Semitic used ad nauseam against people who are simply pointing out facts, similar to Steve’s quip of “PC is a war on noticing.”

    Now, are some of those people more than a little testy and somewhat harsh on the Jewish people? At times, yes. But you’d be surprised how frustrating it can get when someone keeps pissing on your head and tells you that it’s raining – and then finishes by saying that you deserve it.

    There’s a difference between viewing Jews as the boogeyman responsible for all evil things and understanding that influential Jews (who are not reigned in by their community) are one of several reasons for our current predicament. From my experience, people who use the term anti-Semitic don’t see the distinction.

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  205. A Swede once told me that, to the European tongue, root beer tastes an awful lot like toothpaste. It’s regarded as yet another ghastly American abomination.

    I once knew a Brit who was flabbergasted by the existence of spray cheese. She found it an unholy culinary perversion.

    Years ago, I read about an ice-cream shop that specialized in weird flavors: meatloaf ice cream, spaghetti ice cream, spinach ice cream.

    (I wouldn’t take a bite of any of those without a barfbag at the ready.)

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    A Swede once told me that, to the European tongue, root beer tastes an awful lot like toothpaste.
     
    A German told a crowd at a German festival here that the first time he tried it, it tasted like a mix of cough medicine and floor-cleaning chemicals. I don't think there was a second time.


    Years ago, I read about an ice-cream shop that specialized in weird flavors: meatloaf ice cream, spaghetti ice cream, spinach ice cream.
     
    Jones has been doing that for years with soda. But that's soda, not something squeezed from a natural beast.
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  206. AndrewR says:
    @Romanian
    Of course, Steve Sailer has referenced numerous times how few actual Europeans migrate to the US, as a percentage of the total intake. I cannot tell how much is discrimination and how much is the lack of a reason to migrate (in the case of Western Euros). And I doubt these immigrants are having many kids.

    So, whether your personal social circle is a League of Nations in miniature is immaterial to the fact that a lot of those immigrants will not be European Europeans and only the Conquistadors will have near total European ancestry and I'm not exactly sure how many of the Hispanics are actual Conquistadors, since you do not collect such data. I seem to recall an argument that Mexico is much better now at retaining its lighter hued middle class and elites and it is the mestizos and indios who migrate, with obvious exceptions.

    Should "white at school" Rihanna be considered White? There is obviously a continuum and countries that are off-White, but where do you draw the line and how much of that is less about being Nordic White than being culturally in the group with no foot outside in some secondary identity asserting itself in opposition to the majority (the ultra clannish groups and the grievance addicts).

    Again, the 77% quoted is nonsense on stilts and that was my objection.

    I look forward to the day when, like my Irish brethren before me, I too will be upgraded to White! Though, since I am not, nor will be, a USAian, I just have to be White enough for my part of the world. Given the growth of certain already indigenous elements, I feel that the inevitable regional deflation (as in the opposite of inflation) of Whiteness will heighten my natural pallor by contrast, without having to pull a Sammy Sosa. /iSteve singularity

    PS Here, have your wallet back ;)

    I didn’t realize you were a gypsy ;)

    One thing I’ve never heard anyone discuss, but which would be very interesting, would be to see the total admixture of all Americans combined. What I mean is, for example, if we assume for simplicity’s sake that Barack Obama is 1/2 English and half Kenyan and Michelle is full blood West African, then the “average Obama” is 1/4 English, 1/4 Kenyan and half West African. Extrapolate this out to all Americans and I bet more than 77% of the genes would be European or at least Caucasian.

    Anyway, I concur with you. I’m not a hardcore Muh Purity type. I’m relatively comfortable in multiethnic settings and I’m relatively apathetic about miscegenation and the demographic changes we are undergoing, at least probably compared to most WNs. But indeed, all the anti-white stuff needs to stop and anyone hostile to whites should be physically removed from the US with great urgency if possible.

    While it would be nice to have grandkids someday who look exactly like me, and while my kids will learn that interracial/interethnic relationships are inherently more difficult than intra-ethnic relationships, I don’t lose sleep over the thought of my kids marrying mestizos, orientals or even mulattos. But what does scare me is the thought of my grandkids growing up in a society where they’re widely despised, exploited and oppressed, and that is the most likely future for white people at our current trajectory.

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    I'm as White as milk and burn more than I tan, but I have to play to expectations, no?

    I feel that the past is there to study and learn from, not lament. Whatever mix got into the American salad bowl, it spawned the American and it was not yesterday or even 100 years ago. But neither do you become American by physically being there, you need to give up everything, especially foreign attachments, and blend your posterity insensibly and indelibly with theirs. But this has not happened fully, as the IRA's ties to the US show. Immigration into the US was rightfully being scrutinized and criticized even 150 years ago. Miscegenation, especially enforced from the top like in 19th century Paraguay or through the manipulative techniques of the managerial state, is despicable, since it is done expressly with the intent to sever one from one's ancestors and culture and to degrade one's competition in the lower classes, who are the ones overwhelmingly making disadvantageous interracial matches. It is one thing for love to take root and for a little spice to enter the pot and it is a different thing to be the death of a people and to explicitly frame miscegenation as a way to destroy one's enemies.

    I still haven't done my ancestry test, but I expect to either be fully Balkan type or to have Near East or Indian admixtures. But I am not living in a Middle Eastern ethnic state or in an offshoot of India (yet... a few more generations and the Gypsies will outnumber all of us in SE Europe). Whatever exotic ancestors I may have, they have blended with Romanians until they became sons of the soil and their descendants have no memory of their existence. It would be interesting to pay a company to compile a family tree.
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  207. @Corvinus
    "For lowering their wages. Seems reasonable to me, then and now."

    Then everyone, including the nativists whose ancestors were immigrants, have to go back.

    "But you side with the robber barons."

    I side with captains of industry who at the time used the capitalist system to their advantage. Fortunately, immigrants and native born workers formed unions to address those inequalities, and reformers such as the Progressives sought political and economic reforms

    and reformers such as the Progressives sought political and economic reforms

    Like restricting immigration!

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    "Like restricting immigration!"

    Indeed, some reformers made calls to stop the flood of (white) immigrants, especially with over 15 million arriving from 1900-1915--Italy, Poland, and Russian, nations quite different in culture and language.

    Do they have to go back?
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  208. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "I recognize no “we” that includes “you”, no “ours” that includes “yours”. F**k your culture, you tool."

    You have that liberty not to recognize your fellow white American citizen. But the fact remains, potty mouth, that we are one and of the same culture.

    Potty mouth? Okay, school marm

    We are not of the same culture. The culture you seem to desire is that of a third-world cesspit. Someday you will get it too. And you will deserve it. Bon appetit, swine.

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    "We are not of the same culture."

    Of course we are from the same culture, as white American men. Why are you being wrong-headed?

    "...the culture you seem to desire is that of a third-world cesspit."

    Exactly the sentiment by nativists when the Irish and Germans, the Poles and Italians, the Jews and Assyrians, the Vietnamese and Kenyans came to our land. But just because you view it in that manner does not make it factual in nature.
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  209. Moses says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    I grew up near Burlington, VT, and right at the the time Ben and Jerry's was founded. They used to give you free ice cream on your birthday, and I still have a Ben and Jerry's card with my birthday written on it in pink ink. The card says it is good at any Ben and Jerry's shop "...FOREVER!!!" although I suspect if I tried to use it now, I couldn't get any free ice cream...

    Anyhow, they were kind of the original Starbucks--that is, authentically trying to strike a balance between profits and "social responsibility." Like Starbucks, they tend to fall on the side of profits, but their image was true in the early days. Burlington was a hippie town, and Ben and Jerry's used to be at least as authentically Burlington as Bernie Sanders.

    They initially rebuffed offers by Unilever and refused to meet with Unilever's CEO at the time. His name escapes me, but he was a "Third Way" executive, a red Commie using a company to exert influence on the world. He had grown up as an anti-establishment hippie, and this shared history of the 60s experience is supposedly what broke the ice between him and Jerry and Ben. He promised to keep the company agitating, so they agreed to sell out.

    Contra the other commenter, they didn't choose their first names for the company to hide their (((last names))). Burlington was a small town full of hippies and Jews. Everybody knew them and nobody cared. Their first names reflect the relaxed atmosphere of the original company (which atmosphere is gone from their shops now).

    They initially rebuffed offers by Unilever and refused to meet with Unilever’s CEO at the time. His name escapes me, but he was a “Third Way” executive, a red Commie using a company to exert influence on the world. He had grown up as an anti-establishment hippie, and this shared history of the 60s experience is supposedly what broke the ice between him and Jerry and Ben. He promised to keep the company agitating, so they agreed to sell out.

    This narrative, like their brilliant brand positioning and marketing, is just a little too perfect.

    As a kid I recall visiting the first Ben & Jerry’s scoop shop in the summer of 1978 right across from where Green Mountain Brewery is now in downtown Burlington. I remember two sweaty bearded guys standing on a gravel floor working like crazy. Lines were out the door.

    I agree that the founders may have really believed what they were saying and what their business “stood for”, at least at first. But they were also shrewd enough to exploit the hell out of the “just two hippies who like ice cream” founding story” and the Vermont brand with brilliantly calculated marketing. I didn’t understand it as a kid, but after years of business experience now I see what they did. Incredible marketing and branding talent.

    I took the Waterbury factory tour a few years ago. Watching the “Ben & Jerry’s Story” film at the beginning of the tour I marvelled at the brilliance of their marketing. It was no accident. Cynic that I’ve become, when the film mentioned how their “50 States Ice Cream Bus” broke down and caught fire I put an 80% probability on the “fire” being intentionally induced or falsified for more free publicity. It’s just too good.

    Not taking anything away from Cohen and Greenfield. They are not bad guys. They are talented, shrewd businessmen (the antithesis of “hippies”). By all accounts they treated their employees well. My point is that at the end of the day it was about money for them. And there’s nothing wrong with that.

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    Perfect Bobos, apparently.
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  210. @Bugg
    As a white ethnic guy living in non-gentrified Brooklyn for going on half a century, love to be lectured about right and wrong by a pair of liberal multi culti Jews who first engaged in white flight to suburbia, then moved to the whitest state in the union and then sold out completely to a huge international conglomerate. Don't fault them for any one of those decisions, but perhaps they could take a long look in the mirror now and then.

    Vermont has been ruined by idiot hippies like these 2 lucky dopes who have now brought opiates with them. Real shame; it's a beautiful place. Strangely these 2 have nothing to say about that.

    As a white ethnic guy living in non-gentrified Brooklyn for going on half a century, love to be lectured about right and wrong by a pair of liberal multi culti Jews who first engaged in white flight to suburbia, then moved to the whitest state in the union…

    …and Bernie makes three!!

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  211. Mr. Anon says:
    @European-American
    In ArtDeco’s defense, his remark makes more sense if you don’t truncate it:

    Burns, unlike Ben and Jerry, is a wealthy man courtesy the patronage of PBS
     
    He’s not making the obviously wrong comment that somehow Ken Burns is wealthy and Ben and Jerry are not. He’s saying Ben and Jerry made their money as businessmen selling a physical product ordinary people chose to buy, while Ken Burns made his money in the (politically correct) media.

    A Swede once told me that, to the European tongue, root beer tastes an awful lot like toothpaste. It’s regarded as yet another ghastly American abomination.

    Yes, I’ve never met a European who liked root-beer. Baseball either.

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    Yes, I’ve never met a European who liked root-beer. Baseball either.
     
    The Netherlands, Italy, and Spain are fairly good at baseball. So is Australia, though an Aussie I talked with was surprised it even existed in his country. The Dutch, Italians, and Spaniards you meet might react the same way.

    But Europeans saying baseball is "boring" is like Americans saying there's not enough scoring in soccer. I've never heard an American say chess was boring. Those who think so just go do something else.

    , @Anonymous
    Of course, 'baseball' is merely the English schoolboy's game of 'rounders' - played before kids graduate to cricket.
    'Baseball' 'rounders' what-have-you has been played in England at least since the 18th century.
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  212. @Romanian
    Since when are Whites 77% of the population when immigrants and their children are almost 20%? Once the Middle Eastern census category is adopted,I would be surprised if Whites do not fall below 58%.

    Per the last census: the US was **technically** 72% white- so the 77% figure truly is bogus. I say technically b/c the non-Hispanic category was about 66% (and that includes Semites who are about 3% of pop.) Granted if you include Conquistor-Americans you might get a figure in the high 60s, but even in 2000 whites were *technically** (once again, including Armenians, Semites, Hispanics who in many cases have more than just trace amounts of Amerindian blood, etc) only 75% of pop.

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  213. @Stan Adams
    A Swede once told me that, to the European tongue, root beer tastes an awful lot like toothpaste. It's regarded as yet another ghastly American abomination.

    I once knew a Brit who was flabbergasted by the existence of spray cheese. She found it an unholy culinary perversion.

    Years ago, I read about an ice-cream shop that specialized in weird flavors: meatloaf ice cream, spaghetti ice cream, spinach ice cream.

    (I wouldn't take a bite of any of those without a barfbag at the ready.)

    A Swede once told me that, to the European tongue, root beer tastes an awful lot like toothpaste.

    A German told a crowd at a German festival here that the first time he tried it, it tasted like a mix of cough medicine and floor-cleaning chemicals. I don’t think there was a second time.

    Years ago, I read about an ice-cream shop that specialized in weird flavors: meatloaf ice cream, spaghetti ice cream, spinach ice cream.

    Jones has been doing that for years with soda. But that’s soda, not something squeezed from a natural beast.

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  214. Mr. Anon says:
    @European-American
    In ArtDeco’s defense, his remark makes more sense if you don’t truncate it:

    Burns, unlike Ben and Jerry, is a wealthy man courtesy the patronage of PBS
     
    He’s not making the obviously wrong comment that somehow Ken Burns is wealthy and Ben and Jerry are not. He’s saying Ben and Jerry made their money as businessmen selling a physical product ordinary people chose to buy, while Ken Burns made his money in the (politically correct) media.

    He’s saying Ben and Jerry made their money as businessmen selling a physical product ordinary people chose to buy, while Ken Burns made his money in the (politically correct) media.

    …………offering a product that people, apparently, wanted. Nobody held a gun to people’s heads to get them to watch Burn’s shows on the Civil War or Baseball. Those shows were pretty popular, as PBS fare goes.

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    I sent PBS $10 when they made a fundraising pitch immediately upon the conclusion of Ken Burns' "The Civil War."
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  215. Corvinus says:
    @TangoMan
    For the love of God, it’s not your culture, it’s our culture

    For the love of God, it’s not your marriage my dear, it’s our marriage and I've decided to bring another woman into our marriage. Get used to it.

    Your formulation works like a charm.

    “For the love of God, it’s not your marriage my dear, it’s our marriage and I’ve decided to bring another woman into our marriage. Get used to it. Your formulation works like a charm.”

    Until your wife shoots you in the head in a fit of jealous rage or takes you to divorce court, where she leaves you high and dry. So, in reality, your formula is an invitation to disaster.

    Regardless, one is not married to a culture, he or she is born into it and immerses themselves in it. We “share” certain defined traits as a culture and are beholden to specific ideals, but those characteristics have been reshaped as our nation’s demographics have changed to fit those groups of people.

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    Regardless, one is not married to a culture, he or she is born into it and immerses themselves in it. We “share” certain defined traits as a culture and are beholden to specific ideals, but those characteristics have been reshaped as our nation’s demographics have changed to fit those groups of people.
     
    Who says anyone "shares" anything with you. I know I don't. You are not part of my "we". You are an enemy.

    And those demographic changes were forced on the American People against their own wishes - a fact you repeatedly - and disingenuously - ignore, you deceitful swine.

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  216. Moses says:
    @Jack D
    John Hay said of his friend Henry Adams that when he saw Vesuvius reddening he searched for the Jew that was stoking the fire. That's a good working definition of anti-Semite - someone who believes that Jews are the invisible hand behind everything bad that ever happens.

    Fair enough, thank you for the color.

    It will be helpful to add a few examples for clarity. Would you mind letting me know your opinion of whether each of the following statements are “anti-Semitic” [i.e. "anti-Jew"] or not?

    1) Jews largely control Hollywood and the media
    2) Jewish privilege is real — they control wealth far in excess of their percentage of the population, more than any other ethnic group
    3) Jews attend Ivy league universities at a rate far exceeding their percentage of the population
    4) Jewish interest groups exert powerful influence over American foreign policy in the Middle East

    Thanks for your help.

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  217. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon
    Potty mouth? Okay, school marm

    We are not of the same culture. The culture you seem to desire is that of a third-world cesspit. Someday you will get it too. And you will deserve it. Bon appetit, swine.

    “We are not of the same culture.”

    Of course we are from the same culture, as white American men. Why are you being wrong-headed?

    “…the culture you seem to desire is that of a third-world cesspit.”

    Exactly the sentiment by nativists when the Irish and Germans, the Poles and Italians, the Jews and Assyrians, the Vietnamese and Kenyans came to our land. But just because you view it in that manner does not make it factual in nature.

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    Of course we are from the same culture, as white American men. Why are you being wrong-headed?
     
    No, we are not. Don't associate yourself with me. I have no desire to be so associated. You have the mentality of the rapist/stalker........."we belong together". You can go to Hell, creep.

    Exactly the sentiment by nativists when the Irish and Germans, the Poles and Italians, the Jews and Assyrians, the Vietnamese and Kenyans came to our land. But just because you view it in that manner does not make it factual in nature.
     
    No, you are wrong. They were not so viewed. Especially as you are conflating very different groups.

    But just because you view it in that manner does not make it factual in nature.
     
    But everything that accords with your view IS factual? You're living in a make-believe world. You are awfully smug for one so obviously stupid as yourself.
    , @Stan Adams
    This is the Mall of Amerika:
    https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/930206730738458625

    (In Florida, making such videos is illegal. I was once thrown out of a mall for merely taking a picture of a friend.)
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  218. Karl says:
    @Moses
    I'm a marketer. Cohen and Greenfield were operators.

    I'm convinced all the "Vermont Hippie" stuff was manufactured marketing brilliance. It was just too good to be a coincidence or luck. Highly memorable with a clear personality that supported their "super-premium" pricing and positioning. Miles of free press. "1% of profits for peace" was also brilliant marketing. They co-opted leftism and hippie brands brilliantly.

    They were "local this" and "sustainable that" and "values not profits" then, as Twink points out, they cashed out completely to a giant international corporation.

    Ask them how much of their wealth they shared with blacks.

    39 Moses > all the “Vermont Hippie” stuff was manufactured marketing brilliance

    I hate to mangle an original quote from a white guy, but i’m telling you that no one ever went broke by grabbing onto some white-guy workmanlike product , and then going on steroids with the NY-Jew marketing PR stunts.

    It’s how Hollywood works, and it’s how Vermont works.

    We will never (?) know how much whiter-than-white Vermont pussy Ben & Jerry got, back in the day….. it works in Hollywood, and it works in Vermont.

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  219. @Mr. Anon

    He’s saying Ben and Jerry made their money as businessmen selling a physical product ordinary people chose to buy, while Ken Burns made his money in the (politically correct) media.
     
    ............offering a product that people, apparently, wanted. Nobody held a gun to people's heads to get them to watch Burn's shows on the Civil War or Baseball. Those shows were pretty popular, as PBS fare goes.

    I sent PBS $10 when they made a fundraising pitch immediately upon the conclusion of Ken Burns’ “The Civil War.”

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    Dear Heaven. Have you repented in sackcloth and ashes yet?
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  220. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "No. The core American culture that spawned its institutions both political and cultural was a combination of emigres from the British Isles and ethnic Germans."

    You mean our core political values, which are able to be adopted and applied by newcomers, European or non-European.

    "Other groups have contributed here and there over time but the core is the home nations and ethic Germans."

    The Dutch and the French also played integral roles here. Certainly our character had a European flavor to it in the beginning, but throughout human history, the composition of nations change, with the culture adapting and adopting along the way. That is the essence of our America.

    "Can you really say with a straight face that The United States would have become the United States had the East Coast originally been a colony of Italy or Portugal?"

    I never made the statement, directly or indirectly.

    You mean our core political values, which are able to be adopted and applied by newcomers, European or non-European.

    They are not able to be adopted and applied by all newcomers, as evidenced by the fact that they don’t. Even among those who are not newcomers. Blacks have been here for 400 years, and are incapable of running even so much as a city by the most basic standards of honest republican government that white people take for granted.

    America was a nation, with a people – not an idea, not a set of principals, not a proposition, not a penumbra or an emmanation or a unicorn fart.

    You really are Homo-Public-Broadcastensis, aren’t you. You so easily and unthinkingly buy into stale, old, conventional (and wrong) tropes of the most idiotic kind. If I want to know what the hive-mind of NPR thinks, I’ll listen to All Things Considered – I don’t need to listen to you.

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    America was a nation created by several ideas by a number of groups of people. You really need a history lesson.
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  221. Corvinus says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    and reformers such as the Progressives sought political and economic reforms
     
    Like restricting immigration!

    “Like restricting immigration!”

    Indeed, some reformers made calls to stop the flood of (white) immigrants, especially with over 15 million arriving from 1900-1915–Italy, Poland, and Russian, nations quite different in culture and language.

    Do they have to go back?

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    If we restrict any immigration then it will be just like it was re: Jews in 1939 Germany. America is responsible for Jewish deaths in the Holocaust. We must keep our borders open so that never happens again.
    , @Anonymous
    The point is that southern and eastern European immigration *was* cut-off by the Immigration Act of 1924.
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  222. Moses says:
    @Corvinus
    "No. The core American culture that spawned its institutions both political and cultural was a combination of emigres from the British Isles and ethnic Germans."

    You mean our core political values, which are able to be adopted and applied by newcomers, European or non-European.

    "Other groups have contributed here and there over time but the core is the home nations and ethic Germans."

    The Dutch and the French also played integral roles here. Certainly our character had a European flavor to it in the beginning, but throughout human history, the composition of nations change, with the culture adapting and adopting along the way. That is the essence of our America.

    "Can you really say with a straight face that The United States would have become the United States had the East Coast originally been a colony of Italy or Portugal?"

    I never made the statement, directly or indirectly.

    Certainly our character had a European flavor to it in the beginning, but throughout human history, the composition of nations change, with the culture adapting and adopting along the way. That is the essence of our America.

    This sounds like something you’d find in a “Dear Fellow White People” screed. “That is the essence of our America” is the tell.

    You see, America just had a “European flavor.” It’s normal and natural and, yes, “American” for founding stock Americans to be replaced by Somalis, Guatemalans and Pakis. Nothing to see here. Close your eyes and move along.

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    "You see, America just had a “European flavor.”"

    You mean a Euro-African-Indian (feather, not dot) flavor.

    "It’s normal and natural and, yes, “American” for founding stock Americans to be replaced by Somalis, Guatemalans and Pakis. Nothing to see here. Close your eyes and move along."

    Remember, the same argument was made by nativists when the Irish and Germans, then later the Poles, Italians, and Slavs. Using your logic, they would all have to go back.

    Fortunately, they and other groups of American citizens who are non-white are not leaving anywhere. Now, of course, if we want to limit immigration and reform the process, that is actually fine by me.
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  223. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "We are not of the same culture."

    Of course we are from the same culture, as white American men. Why are you being wrong-headed?

    "...the culture you seem to desire is that of a third-world cesspit."

    Exactly the sentiment by nativists when the Irish and Germans, the Poles and Italians, the Jews and Assyrians, the Vietnamese and Kenyans came to our land. But just because you view it in that manner does not make it factual in nature.

    Of course we are from the same culture, as white American men. Why are you being wrong-headed?

    No, we are not. Don’t associate yourself with me. I have no desire to be so associated. You have the mentality of the rapist/stalker………”we belong together”. You can go to Hell, creep.

    Exactly the sentiment by nativists when the Irish and Germans, the Poles and Italians, the Jews and Assyrians, the Vietnamese and Kenyans came to our land. But just because you view it in that manner does not make it factual in nature.

    No, you are wrong. They were not so viewed. Especially as you are conflating very different groups.

    But just because you view it in that manner does not make it factual in nature.

    But everything that accords with your view IS factual? You’re living in a make-believe world. You are awfully smug for one so obviously stupid as yourself.

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    "No, we are not. Don’t associate yourself with me. I have no desire to be so associated."

    Yes, we are white American men. So, are you gender fluid today? Is that why you are angry?

    "No, you are wrong. They were not so viewed. Especially as you are conflating very different groups."

    No, the nativists from each time period looked down upon groups of people they believed were other than desirable. Then, when those groups assimilated, they themselves became nativists.
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  224. Moses says:
    @Corvinus
    "Like restricting immigration!"

    Indeed, some reformers made calls to stop the flood of (white) immigrants, especially with over 15 million arriving from 1900-1915--Italy, Poland, and Russian, nations quite different in culture and language.

    Do they have to go back?

    If we restrict any immigration then it will be just like it was re: Jews in 1939 Germany. America is responsible for Jewish deaths in the Holocaust. We must keep our borders open so that never happens again.

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  225. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "For the love of God, it’s not your marriage my dear, it’s our marriage and I’ve decided to bring another woman into our marriage. Get used to it. Your formulation works like a charm."

    Until your wife shoots you in the head in a fit of jealous rage or takes you to divorce court, where she leaves you high and dry. So, in reality, your formula is an invitation to disaster.

    Regardless, one is not married to a culture, he or she is born into it and immerses themselves in it. We "share" certain defined traits as a culture and are beholden to specific ideals, but those characteristics have been reshaped as our nation's demographics have changed to fit those groups of people.

    Regardless, one is not married to a culture, he or she is born into it and immerses themselves in it. We “share” certain defined traits as a culture and are beholden to specific ideals, but those characteristics have been reshaped as our nation’s demographics have changed to fit those groups of people.

    Who says anyone “shares” anything with you. I know I don’t. You are not part of my “we”. You are an enemy.

    And those demographic changes were forced on the American People against their own wishes – a fact you repeatedly – and disingenuously – ignore, you deceitful swine.

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    "Who says anyone “shares” anything with you. I know I don’t."

    That is patently false. We are white American men. We share the same race, nation, and culture.

    "You are an enemy."

    I can't be, since I'm white. You know it's ok now, right?

    "And those demographic changes were forced on the American People against their own wishes..."

    There was no "force" involved when millions of Eastern and Southern Europeans, along with the Chinese, came here in the mid and late 1800's for employment and other opportunities.
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  226. Karl says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter
    99.9% of all dairy products consumed in this country are "nutritionally dead" corporate concoctions designed for long shelf life and to keep small producers out of the game. (for "Sanitation" reasons) Even when Ben and Jerry were boutique jippie producers of ice cream, they still used corporate ingredients.

    If you've got a few dairy cows on a small farm, the ag inspector police will have your ass locked up if they hear about you giving your neighbors a pail of fresh teat nutritionally alive cow's milk or some homemade cheese or butter.

    159 Jim Bob Lissiter > the ag inspector police will have your ass locked up if they hear about you giving your neighbors a pail of fresh teat nutritionally alive cow’s milk

    You are allowed to serve it to them in your own home.

    By the way, what’s the closest that you yourself have ever been to ANY dairy operation?

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    By the way, what’s the closest that you yourself have ever been to ANY dairy operation?
     
    Probably being breastfed.
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Not that it really matters, but I went to a stateside dairy farm on a first grade field trip. I've worked as an on site management accountant in a cattle slaughter/packing/export operation in Latin America.

    But hey, I'm game for practicing high level assholery.
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  227. @Mr. Anon

    A Swede once told me that, to the European tongue, root beer tastes an awful lot like toothpaste. It’s regarded as yet another ghastly American abomination.
     
    Yes, I've never met a European who liked root-beer. Baseball either.

    Yes, I’ve never met a European who liked root-beer. Baseball either.

    The Netherlands, Italy, and Spain are fairly good at baseball. So is Australia, though an Aussie I talked with was surprised it even existed in his country. The Dutch, Italians, and Spaniards you meet might react the same way.

    But Europeans saying baseball is “boring” is like Americans saying there’s not enough scoring in soccer. I’ve never heard an American say chess was boring. Those who think so just go do something else.

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  228. @Karl
    159 Jim Bob Lissiter > the ag inspector police will have your ass locked up if they hear about you giving your neighbors a pail of fresh teat nutritionally alive cow’s milk


    You are allowed to serve it to them in your own home.

    By the way, what's the closest that you yourself have ever been to ANY dairy operation?

    By the way, what’s the closest that you yourself have ever been to ANY dairy operation?

    Probably being breastfed.

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  229. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    99.9% of all dairy products consumed in this country are "nutritionally dead" corporate concoctions designed for long shelf life and to keep small producers out of the game. (for "Sanitation" reasons) Even when Ben and Jerry were boutique jippie producers of ice cream, they still used corporate ingredients.

    If you've got a few dairy cows on a small farm, the ag inspector police will have your ass locked up if they hear about you giving your neighbors a pail of fresh teat nutritionally alive cow's milk or some homemade cheese or butter.

    If you’ve got a few dairy cows on a small farm, the ag inspector police will have your ass…

    …but not the Border Patrol or ICE. They give you free rein, or yoke, as it were.

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  230. res says:
    @European-American
    In ArtDeco’s defense, his remark makes more sense if you don’t truncate it:

    Burns, unlike Ben and Jerry, is a wealthy man courtesy the patronage of PBS
     
    He’s not making the obviously wrong comment that somehow Ken Burns is wealthy and Ben and Jerry are not. He’s saying Ben and Jerry made their money as businessmen selling a physical product ordinary people chose to buy, while Ken Burns made his money in the (politically correct) media.

    That’s a fair response. Part of the problem is the line break in his comment was right where I truncated. Equating as “wealthy” people who are literally 100x different in wealth is still lame though. IMHO $1.5M is far from wealthy unless you live in a relatively low cost of living area.

    Ken Burns seems too PC both in his work and public persona, but it is worth noting that his Civil War series made prominent use of Shelby Foote whose wonderful three volume history of the Civil War is very sympathetic to the South.

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  231. eah says:
    @res
    Interesting graphic. Not sure how much to trust the numbers though. More discussion at what looks like the source: http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/05/11/fiscal-impact-of-whites-blacks-and-hispanics/

    One could reasonably question the absolute accuracy of the numbers — but consider: how many black men spend time in prison during what should be the economically most productive years of their lives; the attendant direct costs of that (police, criminal courts, prison, probation, etc); the indirect costs, eg the ‘opportunity cost’ of so many men not being economically productive; and the generally low level of black academic attainment, and therefore their resulting low levels of wealth creation — would you really be surprised if Blacks turned out to be a significant net drag on America?

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  232. @Anonymous
    The Ben & Jerry's wealth comparison was with blacks, whose roots in America generally go further back than those who go back 50 years, 100 years, 200 years.

    And it was a racist comparison, as it did not break out Jews as a separate group.

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  233. Svigor says:

    For the love of God, it’s not your culture, it’s our culture, one forged by a wide range of racial and ethnic groups.

    Nope. This society was forged by White people of British stock. The rest of the stuff people like your ancestors did, all that was after all the heavy lifting was done.

    Furthermore, remember that those “ancestors” you refer to were also derided and devalued by nativists when they first arrived.

    Why? Why remember? How is that important?

    It isn’t, that’s how.

    P.S., you have “ancestors.” The rest of us have ancestors.

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    The only people deriding and devaluing my ancestors were the Amerindians, and that was because they had the sense to realise real estate is a zero-sum proposition: if one person or group control and possess it, others do not.

    The tired assumption Americans should identify with Poles, Italians, Jews, etc. who immigrated to the U.S.A. is silly. For many if not most of us of Germanic and Celtic stock, our ancestors were, as Ann Coulter is fond of saying, not immigrants, but settlers; pioneers. There is a chasm of difference in what each has done and what the actions merit for them and their posterity.
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  234. Twinkie says:
    @Moses

    They initially rebuffed offers by Unilever and refused to meet with Unilever's CEO at the time. His name escapes me, but he was a "Third Way" executive, a red Commie using a company to exert influence on the world. He had grown up as an anti-establishment hippie, and this shared history of the 60s experience is supposedly what broke the ice between him and Jerry and Ben. He promised to keep the company agitating, so they agreed to sell out.
     
    This narrative, like their brilliant brand positioning and marketing, is just a little too perfect.

    As a kid I recall visiting the first Ben & Jerry's scoop shop in the summer of 1978 right across from where Green Mountain Brewery is now in downtown Burlington. I remember two sweaty bearded guys standing on a gravel floor working like crazy. Lines were out the door.

    I agree that the founders may have really believed what they were saying and what their business "stood for", at least at first. But they were also shrewd enough to exploit the hell out of the "just two hippies who like ice cream" founding story" and the Vermont brand with brilliantly calculated marketing. I didn't understand it as a kid, but after years of business experience now I see what they did. Incredible marketing and branding talent.

    I took the Waterbury factory tour a few years ago. Watching the "Ben & Jerry's Story" film at the beginning of the tour I marvelled at the brilliance of their marketing. It was no accident. Cynic that I've become, when the film mentioned how their "50 States Ice Cream Bus" broke down and caught fire I put an 80% probability on the "fire" being intentionally induced or falsified for more free publicity. It's just too good.

    Not taking anything away from Cohen and Greenfield. They are not bad guys. They are talented, shrewd businessmen (the antithesis of "hippies"). By all accounts they treated their employees well. My point is that at the end of the day it was about money for them. And there's nothing wrong with that.

    Perfect Bobos, apparently.

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  235. Twinkie says:
    @res
    You know you are being a troll when:
    1. Twinkie flags you as one.
    2. Corvinus gives an approving response.

    You know you are being a troll when:
    1. Twinkie flags you as one.

    I think that may have been the first “troll” flag I ever handed out. Normally, I wouldn’t do that for merely disagreeing with someone, but he was monomaniacally repeating “whites and blacks obsess about race, Asians don’t!” across threads (seriously, I assume), so I thought it was warranted.

    I should probably peg Tiny Duck as a troll as well, but I give him (a tiny) benefit of doubt, however unlikely, that he may be serving up satire.

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  236. Clyde says:
    @Twinkie

    I have never touched their greasy fatty blend which must hit the spot when you are high on marijuana.
     
    My one vice is ice cream, especially the "super premium" variety (and I have never done any cannabis). All that means is that the ice cream has high butterfat content (as opposed to the cheap kind that taste "airy" because it is devoid of butterfat). I don't buy commercial ice cream anymore, because my wife makes her own.

    Whatever happened to NE Asian lactose intolerance? Plus I see that the Japanese and Koreans have lots of dairy laden treats and snacks in their own counties. China would too but not wealthy enough yet.

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    Never had it myself. So I don’t know. No one in my family has lactose intolerance. We all love ice cream. And I grew up drinking gallons of milk. My mother was quite insistent on it - she said I’d grow tall. Of course, she was right.
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  237. Clyde says:
    @whorefinder
    Corvy's a paid troll from Media Matters, his nonsense can't be reasoned with, only noted and laughed at.

    Corvy’s a paid troll from Media Matters, his nonsense can’t be reasoned with, only noted and laughed at.

    He is one idiot while Tiny Ducks is a few.

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    My experience is that the adverse effects aren't really all that pronounced. It wasn't until I was in my twenties that I began to feel like I should notice.
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  238. @Art Deco
    Yours is about the 6th response to my remark. Pretty much all of them rebuke Ben and Jerry for not conceiving of themselves as manifestations of American Jewry and being, qua Jews, appropriately circumspect to please the lout cotillion. That's pretty asinine, but it makes perfect sense to a collection of fools who are in a slow burn at the Jewish population because Hy Goldberg gave them a failing performance review in 1994.

    Ben and Jerry are minor nuisances. They know their own business but not much else (which doesn't prevent them from running their mouth on other matters). They ought to know better, but they don't.

    Someone made reference to Ken Burns. Burns, unlike Ben and Jerry, is a wealthy man courtesy the patronage of PBS (see also Moyers, Bill). Burns has made remarks on race relations far more repellent than Ben and Jerry's inanities. What sort of glass house is he in?

    Yours is about the 6th response to my remark. Pretty much all of them rebuke Ben and Jerry for not conceiving of themselves as manifestations of American Jewry and being, qua Jews, appropriately circumspect to please the lout cotillion.

    No, they’re being rebuked for falsely accusing and scapegoating.

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  239. Ching says:

    So the $10 I sent you ends up going to PBS? Why Steve, why?

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  240. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Mr. Anon

    A Swede once told me that, to the European tongue, root beer tastes an awful lot like toothpaste. It’s regarded as yet another ghastly American abomination.
     
    Yes, I've never met a European who liked root-beer. Baseball either.

    Of course, ‘baseball’ is merely the English schoolboy’s game of ’rounders’ – played before kids graduate to cricket.
    ‘Baseball’ ’rounders’ what-have-you has been played in England at least since the 18th century.

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  241. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Corvinus
    "Like restricting immigration!"

    Indeed, some reformers made calls to stop the flood of (white) immigrants, especially with over 15 million arriving from 1900-1915--Italy, Poland, and Russian, nations quite different in culture and language.

    Do they have to go back?

    The point is that southern and eastern European immigration *was* cut-off by the Immigration Act of 1924.

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    "The point is that southern and eastern European immigration *was* cut-off by the Immigration Act of 1924."

    Because certain ethnic groups, white I may add, were deemed to be other than desirable to the American character. I would surmise that this legislation was clearly anti-white. How dare the nativists deny their fellow white brethren the opportunity to live in the land of milk and honey, when the ancestors of those nativists had also endured similar discrimination.
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  242. Romanian says: • Website
    @AndrewR
    I didn't realize you were a gypsy ;)

    One thing I've never heard anyone discuss, but which would be very interesting, would be to see the total admixture of all Americans combined. What I mean is, for example, if we assume for simplicity's sake that Barack Obama is 1/2 English and half Kenyan and Michelle is full blood West African, then the "average Obama" is 1/4 English, 1/4 Kenyan and half West African. Extrapolate this out to all Americans and I bet more than 77% of the genes would be European or at least Caucasian.

    Anyway, I concur with you. I'm not a hardcore Muh Purity type. I'm relatively comfortable in multiethnic settings and I'm relatively apathetic about miscegenation and the demographic changes we are undergoing, at least probably compared to most WNs. But indeed, all the anti-white stuff needs to stop and anyone hostile to whites should be physically removed from the US with great urgency if possible.

    While it would be nice to have grandkids someday who look exactly like me, and while my kids will learn that interracial/interethnic relationships are inherently more difficult than intra-ethnic relationships, I don't lose sleep over the thought of my kids marrying mestizos, orientals or even mulattos. But what does scare me is the thought of my grandkids growing up in a society where they're widely despised, exploited and oppressed, and that is the most likely future for white people at our current trajectory.

    I’m as White as milk and burn more than I tan, but I have to play to expectations, no?

    I feel that the past is there to study and learn from, not lament. Whatever mix got into the American salad bowl, it spawned the American and it was not yesterday or even 100 years ago. But neither do you become American by physically being there, you need to give up everything, especially foreign attachments, and blend your posterity insensibly and indelibly with theirs. But this has not happened fully, as the IRA’s ties to the US show. Immigration into the US was rightfully being scrutinized and criticized even 150 years ago. Miscegenation, especially enforced from the top like in 19th century Paraguay or through the manipulative techniques of the managerial state, is despicable, since it is done expressly with the intent to sever one from one’s ancestors and culture and to degrade one’s competition in the lower classes, who are the ones overwhelmingly making disadvantageous interracial matches. It is one thing for love to take root and for a little spice to enter the pot and it is a different thing to be the death of a people and to explicitly frame miscegenation as a way to destroy one’s enemies.

    I still haven’t done my ancestry test, but I expect to either be fully Balkan type or to have Near East or Indian admixtures. But I am not living in a Middle Eastern ethnic state or in an offshoot of India (yet… a few more generations and the Gypsies will outnumber all of us in SE Europe). Whatever exotic ancestors I may have, they have blended with Romanians until they became sons of the soil and their descendants have no memory of their existence. It would be interesting to pay a company to compile a family tree.

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  243. Wait, if whites holding disproportionate amounts of wealth is proof of white supremacy, then is Jews holding disproportionate amounts of wealth proof of a Jewish conspiracy?

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  244. @Clyde

    Corvy’s a paid troll from Media Matters, his nonsense can’t be reasoned with, only noted and laughed at.
     
    He is one idiot while Tiny Ducks is a few.

    My experience is that the adverse effects aren’t really all that pronounced. It wasn’t until I was in my twenties that I began to feel like I should notice.

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  245. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Chrisnonymous
    You're conveniently ignoring the article I posted in response to your original comment. If you read it closely, you'll see that the situation it describes is that small-scale Zimbabwean farmers are managing to bring crops to market, while larger-scale farms are failing--these are the ones the article says are attracting Chinese oversight/investment. I.e., Africans can be small farmers but they can't manage large enterprises--big surprise, huh?

    And by the way, how are these small farmers faring after bringing their goods to Zimbabwean markets?

    Zimbabwe Tobacco Booming, but Farmers Growing It Are Not

    "I will not grow tobacco again," Hanja said.
     

    Your link does not support your claims.

    “At least five farms have attracted Chinese investment in Mashonaland Centra”

    Wow 5 entire commercial farms have been purchased by Chinese investors.That’s a pretty limited level of outside investment. Some level of foreign investment in agriculture is common in just about anywhere in the world.

    The article describes some woes in black owned commercial farming but doesn’t at all go into detail, certainly not enough to support your claims. It’s also funny that white nationalists are now arguing merely that black owned commercial farms are not as well run as during the era of white ownership. It used to be that white nationalists were claiming complete desolation in agriculture due to total black incompetence in farming. Now it has to be grudgingly acknowledge that some 60,000 black farmers have been empowered by the seizure of land from white owners. Moving the goal posts.

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  246. Brutusale says:
    @Sean

    They chose to move in 1978 to Burlington, Vermont, 45 miles south of the Canadian border. Why? For roughly the same reason Brooklyn-born Bernie Sanders had moved to Burlington a decade before: Vermont’s Diversity!
     
    Says it all.

    Well, competing with the other guys at the Flatbush shul is tough, so I’m off to compete with the country goys.

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  247. @Steve Sailer
    I sent PBS $10 when they made a fundraising pitch immediately upon the conclusion of Ken Burns' "The Civil War."

    Dear Heaven. Have you repented in sackcloth and ashes yet?

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  248. Twinkie says:
    @Clyde
    Whatever happened to NE Asian lactose intolerance? Plus I see that the Japanese and Koreans have lots of dairy laden treats and snacks in their own counties. China would too but not wealthy enough yet.

    Never had it myself. So I don’t know. No one in my family has lactose intolerance. We all love ice cream. And I grew up drinking gallons of milk. My mother was quite insistent on it – she said I’d grow tall. Of course, she was right.

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    In other dairy nooz, a three-year-old black boy at a vibrant preskool in NuYawk went into anaphylactic shock and died after a moronic staffer gave him a grilled-cheese sandwich:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/nyregion/boy-3-allergic-to-dairy-dies-after-eating-grilled-cheese-at-pre-k.html

    The imbeciles didn't even call 911:
    http://pix11.com/2017/11/13/nyc-preschools-now-directed-to-call-911-for-children-in-distress-after-grilled-cheese-allergy-death/
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  249. @Corvinus
    "We are not of the same culture."

    Of course we are from the same culture, as white American men. Why are you being wrong-headed?

    "...the culture you seem to desire is that of a third-world cesspit."

    Exactly the sentiment by nativists when the Irish and Germans, the Poles and Italians, the Jews and Assyrians, the Vietnamese and Kenyans came to our land. But just because you view it in that manner does not make it factual in nature.

    This is the Mall of Amerika:

    (In Florida, making such videos is illegal. I was once thrown out of a mall for merely taking a picture of a friend.)

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    Oh, my God, there are Muslims everywhere? What are we going to do? Let's understand context here. The mall has been historically popular every year by state’s sizable Somali-American population during Eid al-Adha, the biggest religious holiday in the Muslim world. The inhumanity for this group to go out and buy gifts. I mean, how un-American.
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  250. @Twinkie
    Never had it myself. So I don’t know. No one in my family has lactose intolerance. We all love ice cream. And I grew up drinking gallons of milk. My mother was quite insistent on it - she said I’d grow tall. Of course, she was right.

    In other dairy nooz, a three-year-old black boy at a vibrant preskool in NuYawk went into anaphylactic shock and died after a moronic staffer gave him a grilled-cheese sandwich:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/nyregion/boy-3-allergic-to-dairy-dies-after-eating-grilled-cheese-at-pre-k.html

    The imbeciles didn’t even call 911:

    http://pix11.com/2017/11/13/nyc-preschools-now-directed-to-call-911-for-children-in-distress-after-grilled-cheese-allergy-death/

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  251. Olorin says:
    @Jack D
    From the intro at the link:

    [T]he Exodus looms large as an early and extremely influential psychological landmark in the lachrymose and highly dubious pseudo-history of the Jewish people
     
    That's when I stopped reading. This is the very definition of a polemic - there is not even a pretense of objectivity.

    So go read Gmirkin if you have the chops and the Greek.

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  252. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous
    The point is that southern and eastern European immigration *was* cut-off by the Immigration Act of 1924.

    “The point is that southern and eastern European immigration *was* cut-off by the Immigration Act of 1924.”

    Because certain ethnic groups, white I may add, were deemed to be other than desirable to the American character. I would surmise that this legislation was clearly anti-white. How dare the nativists deny their fellow white brethren the opportunity to live in the land of milk and honey, when the ancestors of those nativists had also endured similar discrimination.

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    Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense.


    Women were disenfranchised in virtually all western states in the 19th century. Slavery was a 'peculiarly American institution', property qualifications for voting were common, 'sodomites' were routinely hanged in England, women were literally burned alive for counterfeiting coins, young children were bullied to climb up chimneys etc etc etc.

    Laws and attitudes change, the victims of past discrimination often head the institutions that would have discriminated against them.
    In the ever-changing pragmatic world of politics, the notion of 'blood debt' does not exist.
    Except in the modern USA, that is.
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  253. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Of course we are from the same culture, as white American men. Why are you being wrong-headed?
     
    No, we are not. Don't associate yourself with me. I have no desire to be so associated. You have the mentality of the rapist/stalker........."we belong together". You can go to Hell, creep.

    Exactly the sentiment by nativists when the Irish and Germans, the Poles and Italians, the Jews and Assyrians, the Vietnamese and Kenyans came to our land. But just because you view it in that manner does not make it factual in nature.
     
    No, you are wrong. They were not so viewed. Especially as you are conflating very different groups.

    But just because you view it in that manner does not make it factual in nature.
     
    But everything that accords with your view IS factual? You're living in a make-believe world. You are awfully smug for one so obviously stupid as yourself.

    “No, we are not. Don’t associate yourself with me. I have no desire to be so associated.”

    Yes, we are white American men. So, are you gender fluid today? Is that why you are angry?

    “No, you are wrong. They were not so viewed. Especially as you are conflating very different groups.”

    No, the nativists from each time period looked down upon groups of people they believed were other than desirable. Then, when those groups assimilated, they themselves became nativists.

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  254. Corvinus says:
    @Stan Adams
    This is the Mall of Amerika:
    https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/930206730738458625

    (In Florida, making such videos is illegal. I was once thrown out of a mall for merely taking a picture of a friend.)

    Oh, my God, there are Muslims everywhere? What are we going to do? Let’s understand context here. The mall has been historically popular every year by state’s sizable Somali-American population during Eid al-Adha, the biggest religious holiday in the Muslim world. The inhumanity for this group to go out and buy gifts. I mean, how un-American.

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  255. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon

    You mean our core political values, which are able to be adopted and applied by newcomers, European or non-European.
     
    They are not able to be adopted and applied by all newcomers, as evidenced by the fact that they don't. Even among those who are not newcomers. Blacks have been here for 400 years, and are incapable of running even so much as a city by the most basic standards of honest republican government that white people take for granted.

    America was a nation, with a people - not an idea, not a set of principals, not a proposition, not a penumbra or an emmanation or a unicorn fart.

    You really are Homo-Public-Broadcastensis, aren't you. You so easily and unthinkingly buy into stale, old, conventional (and wrong) tropes of the most idiotic kind. If I want to know what the hive-mind of NPR thinks, I'll listen to All Things Considered - I don't need to listen to you.

    America was a nation created by several ideas by a number of groups of people. You really need a history lesson.

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  256. Corvinus says:
    @Moses

    Certainly our character had a European flavor to it in the beginning, but throughout human history, the composition of nations change, with the culture adapting and adopting along the way. That is the essence of our America.
     
    This sounds like something you'd find in a "Dear Fellow White People" screed. "That is the essence of our America" is the tell.

    You see, America just had a "European flavor." It's normal and natural and, yes, "American" for founding stock Americans to be replaced by Somalis, Guatemalans and Pakis. Nothing to see here. Close your eyes and move along.

    “You see, America just had a “European flavor.””

    You mean a Euro-African-Indian (feather, not dot) flavor.

    “It’s normal and natural and, yes, “American” for founding stock Americans to be replaced by Somalis, Guatemalans and Pakis. Nothing to see here. Close your eyes and move along.”

    Remember, the same argument was made by nativists when the Irish and Germans, then later the Poles, Italians, and Slavs. Using your logic, they would all have to go back.

    Fortunately, they and other groups of American citizens who are non-white are not leaving anywhere. Now, of course, if we want to limit immigration and reform the process, that is actually fine by me.

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  257. eah says:
    @eah
    Just to note: Angus Deaton and Anne Case published their new paper Mortality and morbidity in the 21st century in 2017 -- about the very real phenomenon of dramatically rising morbidity among lower class Whites -- this award could have been given to them -- instead it was given to a failed QB/attention whore, ostensibly for his phony grandstanding about non-existent black victimization.
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  258. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Corvinus
    "The point is that southern and eastern European immigration *was* cut-off by the Immigration Act of 1924."

    Because certain ethnic groups, white I may add, were deemed to be other than desirable to the American character. I would surmise that this legislation was clearly anti-white. How dare the nativists deny their fellow white brethren the opportunity to live in the land of milk and honey, when the ancestors of those nativists had also endured similar discrimination.

    Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense.

    Women were disenfranchised in virtually all western states in the 19th century. Slavery was a ‘peculiarly American institution’, property qualifications for voting were common, ‘sodomites’ were routinely hanged in England, women were literally burned alive for counterfeiting coins, young children were bullied to climb up chimneys etc etc etc.

    Laws and attitudes change, the victims of past discrimination often head the institutions that would have discriminated against them.
    In the ever-changing pragmatic world of politics, the notion of ‘blood debt’ does not exist.
    Except in the modern USA, that is.

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  259. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D
    Well, one such manifestation would be identification as a Democrat, since Democrats are in effect the Black Party in America - not all Democrats are black but virtually all blacks are Democrats. We know that Jews (and not just professional activists but all Jews) identify as Democrats at a much higher rate than other whites.

    I've already mentioned this strange living in the past obsession. Maybe my grandpa came from Bialystok in 1905 and yours has lived in Biloxi since 1705, but if you are my next door neighbor in the suburbs or work in the next office, you and I have a lot more in common than I have with a black single mother living in the projects.

    Well, one such manifestation would be identification as a Democrat,

    Pretty much characteristic of 1890-1924 immigrant waves and their issue up until about 1966. Voting blacks tended to be Republicans up until about 1932 and still had a large Republican minority as late as 1960. What happened in coarse terms is that the advantage the Democrats had among ethnics evaporated bar among Jews. Now look what happened to the parties after 1966: the Democrats were increasingly a collecting pool of salaried professionals while the Republicans collected evangelicals. Jews are part of the former and quite unapologetically antagonistic to the latter (which, interestingly enough, is not reciprocated that anyone can tell).

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  260. Art Deco says:
    @Brutusale
    There's no business in America more protective of their brand than the State of Vermont. Funny thing is the fact that so many (((business people))) there are from New York.

    I think the only Christians I dealt with in the Green Mountain State were buyers at the old IBM facility in Essex Junction!

    There are fewer than 5,000 Jews in Vermont out of a population of more than 600,000. Somehow I doubt they dominate the business community therein.

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    Vermont's Jewish population is 1.8%, just about their percentage for the entire country.

    Whether or not you believe what I wrote doesn't matter; I dealt with plenty of Jews. And yes, Ben & Jerry's was a customer.
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  261. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D
    Two wrongs don't make a right, or as a famous Jewish philosopher said, "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

    In other words, it's wrong to criticize only Ben&Jerry and pay no heed to Ken Burns, but the conclusion you should draw from this is that they should ALL come under criticism, not that we should shut up about Ben&Jerry until Ken Burns gets his full measure.

    Not my point. Ben and Jerry made an inane remark about asset distribution in this country. Now, people say stupid things all the time. Discussion of it (which might have centered on how people manage to accumulate assets salable in lump sums) is transmogrified in unzworld fashion into a bitch session about Jews. There’s a great deal of fantasy and substrates of asinine resentment incorporated into that. It’s much simpler to just address the issue, but that doesn’t give the louts here the satisfaction of flashing their upraised middle fingers. My beef about Burns is (a) he’s more obnoxious than Ben & Jerry have ever managed to be and (b) people can discuss Burns without going on poisonous tangents about his cultural background.

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  262. Sean says:
    @Sean

    They chose to move in 1978 to Burlington, Vermont, 45 miles south of the Canadian border. Why? For roughly the same reason Brooklyn-born Bernie Sanders had moved to Burlington a decade before: Vermont’s Diversity!
     
    Says it all.

    NYC has always been a cut-throat place, and the gentile society there very different to Vermont.

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  263. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Regardless, one is not married to a culture, he or she is born into it and immerses themselves in it. We “share” certain defined traits as a culture and are beholden to specific ideals, but those characteristics have been reshaped as our nation’s demographics have changed to fit those groups of people.
     
    Who says anyone "shares" anything with you. I know I don't. You are not part of my "we". You are an enemy.

    And those demographic changes were forced on the American People against their own wishes - a fact you repeatedly - and disingenuously - ignore, you deceitful swine.

    “Who says anyone “shares” anything with you. I know I don’t.”

    That is patently false. We are white American men. We share the same race, nation, and culture.

    “You are an enemy.”

    I can’t be, since I’m white. You know it’s ok now, right?

    “And those demographic changes were forced on the American People against their own wishes…”

    There was no “force” involved when millions of Eastern and Southern Europeans, along with the Chinese, came here in the mid and late 1800′s for employment and other opportunities.

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  264. Brutusale says:
    @Art Deco
    There are fewer than 5,000 Jews in Vermont out of a population of more than 600,000. Somehow I doubt they dominate the business community therein.

    Vermont’s Jewish population is 1.8%, just about their percentage for the entire country.

    Whether or not you believe what I wrote doesn’t matter; I dealt with plenty of Jews. And yes, Ben & Jerry’s was a customer.

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  265. @Svigor

    For the love of God, it’s not your culture, it’s our culture, one forged by a wide range of racial and ethnic groups.
     
    Nope. This society was forged by White people of British stock. The rest of the stuff people like your ancestors did, all that was after all the heavy lifting was done.

    Furthermore, remember that those “ancestors” you refer to were also derided and devalued by nativists when they first arrived.
     
    Why? Why remember? How is that important?

    It isn't, that's how.

    P.S., you have "ancestors." The rest of us have ancestors.

    The only people deriding and devaluing my ancestors were the Amerindians, and that was because they had the sense to realise real estate is a zero-sum proposition: if one person or group control and possess it, others do not.

    The tired assumption Americans should identify with Poles, Italians, Jews, etc. who immigrated to the U.S.A. is silly. For many if not most of us of Germanic and Celtic stock, our ancestors were, as Ann Coulter is fond of saying, not immigrants, but settlers; pioneers. There is a chasm of difference in what each has done and what the actions merit for them and their posterity.

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  266. @Karl
    159 Jim Bob Lissiter > the ag inspector police will have your ass locked up if they hear about you giving your neighbors a pail of fresh teat nutritionally alive cow’s milk


    You are allowed to serve it to them in your own home.

    By the way, what's the closest that you yourself have ever been to ANY dairy operation?

    Not that it really matters, but I went to a stateside dairy farm on a first grade field trip. I’ve worked as an on site management accountant in a cattle slaughter/packing/export operation in Latin America.

    But hey, I’m game for practicing high level assholery.

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