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Due to a lack of vibrant diversity, the popular culture of 1960s Britain was notoriously unimaginative, hidebound, and without appeal to the rest of the world. British 1960s music, fashion, movies, and comedy were white maleish and thus boring and have been forgotten. From The Times of London:

Too white and Oxbridge: BBC would shun Monty Python and Goodies today

Matthew Moore, Media Correspondent

June 19 2018, 5:00pm

Shows like Monty Python that feature “six Oxbridge white blokes” would not be commissioned by the BBC today, the corporation’s head of comedy has admitted. …

Viewers had heard enough about the “metropolitan, educated experience” and crave sketch shows and sitcoms with a “sense of place”, claimed Shane Allen, controller of BBC comedy.

 
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  1. Anonymous[984] • Disclaimer says:

    All Monty Python did was denigrate “bourgeois” culture because it was safe to do so.

    To this day, John Cleese will mock White American Christians, but never Islam or the Left in the same way. B

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    • Replies: @Anonymous Bosch
    "But never Islam"

    He has joked about not joking about it:-)


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HLmrPiY0kqw
    , @Antlitz Grollheim
    It's easy to mock what you take for granted. The curmudgeon iss always right about the dangers of losing reverence towards the pillars of society:

    https://youtu.be/CeKWVuye1YE

    The prescient one in the room speaks around 25:00
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    To this day, John Cleese will mock White American Christians, but never Islam or the Left in the same way.
     
    Cleese is a parasite living off the accumulated capital of those who build the edifice he mocks. As to the Left and Islam, Cleese is, expectedly, nothing more than a whoring sychophant. If the wind changes Cleese will tack accordingly.
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  2. JohnJ says:

    “….claimed Shane Allen, controller of BBC comedy.”

    Reads like a great premise for a Monty Python sketch.

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  3. AndrewR says:

    Educated white blokes are the worst…

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  4. Marcus D. says:

    At least, It had a gay man (but unfortunately a white british one).

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "At least, It had a gay man (but unfortunately a white british one)."

    A Homosexual White person is still less vibrantly diverse than a Heterosexual Person Of Color.

    Milo Yiannopoulos and Dave Rubin are still less vibrantly diverse than The Golden State Warriors.
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  5. syonredux says:

    Get WOKE, Steve. This kind of cis-het “comedy” is simply gross:

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    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    "Caitlyn" Jenner is cheering for Russia.

    https://twitter.com/Caitlyn_Jenner/status/1006808971909484545

    "She" goes on to say that just because "she" supports Russia, it doesn't mean that "she" has "gone crazy." Which is good to know, because supporting Russia might be the craziest thing that "she" has ever done. It'd be sad to a sane person lose it, but fortunately that hasn't happened.

    It turns out that everytime Russia scores a goal, "Paddy Power" will be donating £10,000 to LGBT causes. Which is why "Caitlyn" is so excited to support Russia.

    Back in the 70s, "Caitlyn" (who was then known as "Bruce") defeated some Russians at the Olympic decathalons. "She" (then a "he") then did this cool Wheaties commercial.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNU90DQn5lw
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  6. t says:

    Yglesias discovers that Reagen liked cheep labor

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    The poisonous Tanuki includes the highly distinctive search term "the". Here is the would-be professional blogger of the left, tremble before his fearsome intellect!
    , @Forbes
    The analogy with seasonal ag workers of 40 years ago seems slightly off-the-mark with today's question regarding illegal immigration.

    Obviously I'm not smart enough to "get" it...
    , @Altai
    Yglesias is amazing. He really is as dim as every single photograph of his attests. Like Coates he constantly has a habit of forgetting to mention that his first noticing something he should be embarrassed not to understand is something which totally undermines his authority, which, as a political commentator is sort of literacy itself, his most important asset.

    Yes, Reagan was a typical union-hating begrudger. Yes the Republican party (At least pre-Trump) is the natural home of people for people who like importing cheap labour to displace the native lower classes and actively enjoy the pain it brings those people.

    But that doesn't make Reagan the RINO, Trump is the RINO, Reagan was the man who defined the Republican party as it's been understood for nearly 2 generations.

    Trump was able to get life-long Democrats to flip supposedly unflippable states for him because in 2018 people like you assume it's natural and normal to read Reagan's speech and assume it was written by a Democrat-voting luminary working for the NYT.

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  7. Do you guys find Big Bang Theory to be funny?

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    • Replies: @megabar
    Yeah, I think Big Bang is funny. I get why some don't like it, but I do.
    , @Bardon Kaldian
    No.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Wait, do you mean the actual Big Bang Theory or that TV show?
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  8. They should make an all-Muslim version of Monty Python.

    It’d be an Islamic-themed comedy. A Mohammedy.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    Muslims are not funny at all. Which is why there is no Muslim version of Rodney Dangerfield, or Eddie Murphy, or Sam Kinison for example.

    It's a cultural thing. You know Muslims are not funny when even Oriental stand up comedians outnumber Muslim stand up comedians.

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  9. Hmm, what was “Oxbridge” about the Monty Python cast? As a humble American, that part flew right past me.

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    • Replies: @Jack Cade
    Oxbridge is a "portmanteau" of the two major universities in Britain, Oxford and Cambridge. It's shorthand for overeducated twit, unless one went there, I suppose. Now I'm off to watch the no longer PC show by those of the pale male set.
    , @Anonymous Bosch
    Terry Jones and Michael Palin attended Oxford, and performed together there. Graham Chapman, Eric Idle, and John Cleese went to Cambridge.
    , @Almost Missouri
    There is plenty in Python for Americans to latch onto, but something that is less apparent to us colonials, but does resonate back in mother England, is that a lot of Monty Python is finely graded class-sneering, or as the kids say now, microaggressions, or as we call it, status signalling.

    As Oxbridge graduates of the merit era, the Python crew were upper middle class strivers who happened to have their professional field in comedy. Some of their product was overt mockery of the the English social classes above them ("upper class twits"), below them ("Gumbys"), before them in time (the stiff-upper-lip war generation) or slightly different from them in geography ("man turns into Scotsman"), or at variance with their boomer political orthodoxies. But even when their mockery isn't overt, they have constant tiny references to subtle British class markers and prejudices. In one of the clips on this thread, Palin explains that the name "Brian", as in Life of Brian, connotes a certain well-meaning but kinda clueless lower-middle class-ness, for example.

    As a youth, I immensely enjoyed their work--even when I didn't understand the cultural context, and it probably formed me in ways I am unconscious of now. On the other hand, the irony of their complaining about the cultural collapse they helped to engineer is a bit rich. In their last production, Spamalot, they have essentially become what they used to make fun of: un-self-aware duffers sitting prettily atop the socio-cultural heap. Originally posing as mavericks, they have become the new Establishment. Unfortunately, the New Establishment hasn't actually accomplished anything except monopolizing leftover riches while sneering at everyone else's decay.

    FWIW, I still find them funny, when they are not trying too hard to be didactic. They had real talent, and when they weren't taking themselves too seriously, could be very witty [yes, I know, insert Oscar Wilde sketch here]. Much of what they lampooned had acquired a thick layer of puffery and pomposity and was due for a purging parody, so Python can't really be faulted living in a time with perhaps more than its share of accumulated conceit. They also inadvertently left some time bombs to the future SJW agenda: Stan, the wannabe transgender in Life of Brian comes to mind.
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  10. Can’t say I’m surprised. Nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition, but its contemporary PC counterpart is rather predictable.

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    Criticising the Beeb? That's heresy! Heresy on three counts -- heresy by thought, heresy by word, heresy by deed, and heresy by action -- *four* counts. Do you confess?
    , @Ragno
    Can't threaten a man with the Comfy Chair when he's already sitting on one
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  11. Jack Cade says:
    @International Jew
    Hmm, what was "Oxbridge" about the Monty Python cast? As a humble American, that part flew right past me.

    Oxbridge is a “portmanteau” of the two major universities in Britain, Oxford and Cambridge. It’s shorthand for overeducated twit, unless one went there, I suppose. Now I’m off to watch the no longer PC show by those of the pale male set.

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  12. Enochian says:

    Well, Top Gear was full of white males, and it did ok until the BBC fired its host for beating up a producer.

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  13. Wilkey says:

    The worst thing about Monty Python, I suspect, is that it reminds Britons that once upon a time, in the far, far, far distant past – 50 whole years ago – their island nation was 99.5% white.

    SJW’s certainly love the target of Python humor, much of which mocks the great nation they inherited, but satisfying SJW dogma is a rapidly moving target.

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  14. istevefan says:

    Shane’s job pays well. He makes 208K pounds per year.

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    These overpaid establishment sorts always have a reason why talented people must be kept down.

    These young people can not be allowed to compete against me - they are (flips thorough cards) "overeducated".

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  15. @syonredux
    Get WOKE, Steve. This kind of cis-het "comedy" is simply gross:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c

    “Caitlyn” Jenner is cheering for Russia.

    “She” goes on to say that just because “she” supports Russia, it doesn’t mean that “she” has “gone crazy.” Which is good to know, because supporting Russia might be the craziest thing that “she” has ever done. It’d be sad to a sane person lose it, but fortunately that hasn’t happened.

    It turns out that everytime Russia scores a goal, “Paddy Power” will be donating £10,000 to LGBT causes. Which is why “Caitlyn” is so excited to support Russia.

    Back in the 70s, “Caitlyn” (who was then known as “Bruce”) defeated some Russians at the Olympic decathalons. “She” (then a “he”) then did this cool Wheaties commercial.

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    His/her legs are utterly repulsive. Good lawd.

    And I don't feel like researching this but I imagine that Russia isn't even in the top quartile of "anti-LGBT" countries. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't in the top half. Chechnya is admittedly not a great place to be a sexual minority but Russia in general is probably as "anti-LGBT" as the US was 30 years ago.
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  16. Matra says:

    I liked Monty Python movies when I was a teenager in Canada (late 80s), though I certainly didn’t love them the way most supposedly cool North American teenagers did at the time. When I went back to the UK in my mid-20s and saw episodes of the Monty Python TV show I was absolutely stunned by just how awful they were. Maybe the movies were a lot better than the TV show? My suspicion is that MP really only appeals to teenagers who think they are edgy.

    For those who are interested there is a grumpy right-wing Englishman with a Twitter account called Mr. Alf Garnett (the original Archie Bunker) who regularly shows old British comedy clips…and gripes about today’s PC comedy. (The first one right now is a sitcom from 1974 in which a typical working class Englishmen gives his one word descriptions – all negative – of Koreans and “all Orientals”, Russians, Egyptians, Italians, French, Germans, Danes, and Americans).

    Comedy on British TV today is embarrassingly bad because of PC with the female quota stand-up comedians being not only bad but utterly disgusting in subject matter.

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    • Replies: @g2k
    Monkey dust must've slipped under the radar in the early 00s. They're obviously quite embarrassed about it as it's never been rerun or released on DVD.

    https://youtu.be/HuMfb4syEHA

    https://youtu.be/6KlTbbZjn-E

    https://youtu.be/vEVJ_48YgTg
    , @Alec Leamas

    I liked Monty Python movies when I was a teenager in Canada (late 80s), though I certainly didn’t love them the way most supposedly cool North American teenagers did at the time. When I went back to the UK in my mid-20s and saw episodes of the Monty Python TV show I was absolutely stunned by just how awful they were. Maybe the movies were a lot better than the TV show? My suspicion is that MP really only appeals to teenagers who think they are edgy.
     
    The silliness of the whole thing (which I had always assumed one could chalk up to excessive chemical "inspiration" on the part of the performers and audience alike when Monty Python was at the height of its popularity) never appealed to me.

    However I found the Palin and Jones project Ripping Yarns quite amusing. It was a send-up of British culture but perhaps more loving and less biting than a lot of the Monty Python stuff.
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  17. @International Jew
    Hmm, what was "Oxbridge" about the Monty Python cast? As a humble American, that part flew right past me.

    Terry Jones and Michael Palin attended Oxford, and performed together there. Graham Chapman, Eric Idle, and John Cleese went to Cambridge.

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  18. @Anonymous
    All Monty Python did was denigrate “bourgeois” culture because it was safe to do so.

    To this day, John Cleese will mock White American Christians, but never Islam or the Left in the same way. B

    “But never Islam”

    He has joked about not joking about it:-)

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    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    The same goes for news pundits as it does for comedians: https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/matthew-sheffield/2007/12/12/lawrence-odonnell-im-too-afraid-criticize-islam
    , @Anonymous
    Yes, there is the occasional odd critique of Islam or Cultural Marxism from John Cleese. Once every 30 years or so. Compared to the avalanche he directed at normal white culture
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  19. Achilles says:

    The hit comedy Motherland is to return for a new series, the BBC has announced, as it unveiled its most diverse lineup of new comedies to date.

    Other shows include There She Goes, a comedy drama about a nine-year-old girl with learning disabilities, starring and W1A’s Jessica Hynes, and Diary of A Hounslow Girl, about three Muslim girls.

    …the BBC will air a comedy about mental health issues, BBC Three’s In My Skin, and a new female sketch show called Tash and Ellie.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/19/motherland-to-return-in-diverse-bbc-comedy-lineup

    Yawn. Give me the exploding penguin on top of a television set.

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    • Replies: @Dave from Oz

    …the BBC will air a comedy about mental health issues, BBC Three’s In My Skin, and a new female sketch show called Tash and Ellie.
     
    To be completely fair, "Smack the Pony" was often pretty damn funny.
    , @Gemjunior
    LMAO! Intercourse the penguin.
    , @Olorin
    I'm confused. BBC is signaling that we're now supposed to laugh at the disabled and tetched?

    Or does the humor lie in our PC superiors' observing the discomfort they cause as they keep moving the goalposts for what J. Random Deplorable may or may not react to, and how, when, and whether?
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  20. megabar says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Do you guys find Big Bang Theory to be funny?

    Yeah, I think Big Bang is funny. I get why some don’t like it, but I do.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    That The Big Bang Theory is a giant hit strikes me as good and encouraging.
    , @WowJustWow
    It's cool to hate the show and its characterizations, but if you've spent time in tech universities and similar professional circles, you'll have met dead ringers for some of those characters. I've never seen another piece of scripted entertainment capture so many facets of real nerds.
    , @John Derbyshire, @JohnnyWalker123
    Personally, I think most modern comedies are generally not that funny. The characters are unrelatable and strangely socially awkward. Their intonation is especially painful to listen to. Most of their "jokes" have laugh tracks to make them funny, but I have a hard time believing people are laughing in real life.

    The worst is "Big Bang Theory." I can't think of a comedy that's so difficult to watch.

    Here's a sample below. Remember, these are the "funniest moments" from the show.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5tFMfi47aE

    The only thing "funny" about the above video is just how bad it is. In particular, the voice of "Sheldon" just makes me cringe. I don't get why anybody considers him funny.

    Compare that to Family Matters, Save by the Bell, or Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Kenan&Kel, or the old Simpsons. 90s era shows were just so much funnier.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiJumtvcvgk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5gsu8gxVJ8

    Of course, the older shows were even better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NPzLBSBzPI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZYPSyfsulg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIHDeNmNlOo

    You couldn't make a show like All in the Family now.
    , @theMann
    Well:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-VJLz65QhM


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcWr8WIYIO8


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqa48tqNOj8


    TBBT has its moments- every second with Sheldon's or Leonard's Moms, for instance.

    , @fish

    Yeah, I think Big Bang is funny. I get why some don’t like it, but I do.
     
    Was funny! Anything after season 5 just blows!
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  21. Jefferson says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    They should make an all-Muslim version of Monty Python.

    It'd be an Islamic-themed comedy. A Mohammedy.

    Muslims are not funny at all. Which is why there is no Muslim version of Rodney Dangerfield, or Eddie Murphy, or Sam Kinison for example.

    It’s a cultural thing. You know Muslims are not funny when even Oriental stand up comedians outnumber Muslim stand up comedians.

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    Colin Quinn says:

    "Arabs are the most intense people on earth…. If you start a joke, “You ever notice when people do X?” and mention something annoying, you don’t hear laughter. You hear stony silence, and then, “Why would you allow that impudence to go unpunished?”"

    http://takimag.com/article/true_colin_steve_sailer/print#ixzz5JIW4dviG

    , @Ali Choudhury
    Dave Chappelle converted to Islam in 1998. There are a few South Asian Muslim stand-up comics like Aziz Ansari, Hassan Minhaj and Kumail Nanjiani from Silicon Valley. Also Iranians like Maz Jobrani and a fair number from the Palestinian diaspora.
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  22. @megabar
    Yeah, I think Big Bang is funny. I get why some don't like it, but I do.

    That The Big Bang Theory is a giant hit strikes me as good and encouraging.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    The Big Bang Theory has to be the least vibrantly diverse show on television today.

    Their only Nonwhite cast member is Indian not African American, so not a single regular cast member is African American on The Big Bang Theory. I'm sure this triggers a lot of Social Justice Warrior Snowflakes safe spaces when they are flipping the channel and come across that show.

    Before The Big Bang Theory when was the last time a popular 21st Century American show did not have a single regular cast member who is African American? The Sopranos?
    , @James Braxton
    Steve,

    What do you think of Silicon Valley?
    , @Yak-15
    Why? The jokes are brutally unfunny...
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  23. OT,

    http://larryferlazzo.edublogs.org/2018/06/21/after-spending-575-million-on-teacher-evaluation-gates-foundation-says-oops/

    So why does anybody listen to the Gates, either Bill or Melinda?

    The crude, incurious, philistine Trump thinks more true thoughts in a minute than Bill or Melinda do in a decade.

    Intellectual but Idiot.

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    I am surprised and pleased to see that Gates actually included evaluation components in the study and then actually published the results of the evaluation.

    I can't think of any other private-foundation supported large scale study on any important topic that actually reported that their effort did not work. This one, too, is important because it is another nail in the coffin of those who think that tweaks in the current educational system can eliminate innate differences between human beings. Perhaps that was what they expected to find, but drew it up and publicized it as if they expected to find out something different. Curious.
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  24. Jefferson says:
    @Marcus D.
    At least, It had a gay man (but unfortunately a white british one).

    “At least, It had a gay man (but unfortunately a white british one).”

    A Homosexual White person is still less vibrantly diverse than a Heterosexual Person Of Color.

    Milo Yiannopoulos and Dave Rubin are still less vibrantly diverse than The Golden State Warriors.

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  25. Luke Lea says:

    Thank God for replays. https://goo.gl/6Y2BLS

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    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    I found a bunch of them on VHS at a thrift shop.
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  26. @Jefferson
    Muslims are not funny at all. Which is why there is no Muslim version of Rodney Dangerfield, or Eddie Murphy, or Sam Kinison for example.

    It's a cultural thing. You know Muslims are not funny when even Oriental stand up comedians outnumber Muslim stand up comedians.

    Colin Quinn says:

    “Arabs are the most intense people on earth…. If you start a joke, “You ever notice when people do X?” and mention something annoying, you don’t hear laughter. You hear stony silence, and then, “Why would you allow that impudence to go unpunished?””

    http://takimag.com/article/true_colin_steve_sailer/print#ixzz5JIW4dviG

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    • Replies: @Twinkie
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEVAE3EYoOg
    , @Jefferson
    Whenever I get Arab Uber drivers they ALWAYS have an extremely pissed off look on their faces. Arabs are not a very happy people.

    Arabs may share the Mediterranean sea with Southern Europeans and sometimes even share similar phenotype traits with Southern Europeans, but personality wise Arabs and Southern Europeans are complete opposites from each other.

    The stereotype of the colorful happy go lucky Italian for example definitely does not apply to Arabs.

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  27. Twinkie says:

    Dennis the Peasant sequence in Holy Grail is my favorite comedy sketch. Of all time.

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    Castle Anthrax for the win.
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  28. Twinkie says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Colin Quinn says:

    "Arabs are the most intense people on earth…. If you start a joke, “You ever notice when people do X?” and mention something annoying, you don’t hear laughter. You hear stony silence, and then, “Why would you allow that impudence to go unpunished?”"

    http://takimag.com/article/true_colin_steve_sailer/print#ixzz5JIW4dviG

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  29. Jefferson says:
    @Steve Sailer
    That The Big Bang Theory is a giant hit strikes me as good and encouraging.

    The Big Bang Theory has to be the least vibrantly diverse show on television today.

    Their only Nonwhite cast member is Indian not African American, so not a single regular cast member is African American on The Big Bang Theory. I’m sure this triggers a lot of Social Justice Warrior Snowflakes safe spaces when they are flipping the channel and come across that show.

    Before The Big Bang Theory when was the last time a popular 21st Century American show did not have a single regular cast member who is African American? The Sopranos?

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    • Replies: @AP
    Two and a half men.
    , @Kevin
    It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia is one that comes to mind. Not the biggest show around but definitely a huge cult hit in the past decade or so, and still going.
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  30. @megabar
    Yeah, I think Big Bang is funny. I get why some don't like it, but I do.

    It’s cool to hate the show and its characterizations, but if you’ve spent time in tech universities and similar professional circles, you’ll have met dead ringers for some of those characters. I’ve never seen another piece of scripted entertainment capture so many facets of real nerds.

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    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    The show may be an accurate portrayal of nerds, but the characters aren't likable. Their social awkwardness is supposed to be funny, but mostly it's just cringe worthy.

    Steve Urkel was a way more watchable nerd.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G1lp7ZSkXA
    , @g2k
    Sorry, I have to call BS on this here. In real life, At least half would be mainland Chinese and speak only mandarin and all of them would hardly ever talk to each other. They certainly wouldn't be with those women; the actress who plays one of the girlfriends is dating an athlete in real life, not a physicist.
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  31. The Monty Python TV show wasn’t all that funny, not compared to, say, the much more conventional Fawlty Towers. Cleese was the only Python who had outstanding comic timing.

    But it was original, sometimes brilliant, and memorable.

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    Monty Python can start to become a bit tedious once you notice that their usual formula is largely an inversion of the classic double act, where the straight man, often a bureaucrat of some sort, is the one who lives in and perpetuates a world of utter absurdity in a calm, cool, collected manner, driving his comic foil slowly insane. (However, Terry Gilliam found a way to execute it brilliantly in a long-form comedy-drama format when he made Brazil.) The approach appears to have been immensely influential on later British comedy.

    Stewart Lee did a bit of anti-comedy about beating that kind of premise to death, based on the real-life example of a chain of motels whose employees don't know whether they have any rooms available, requiring guests to call the chain's national office by themselves from the front desk -- although it's clearly meant to evoke MP's cheese shop sketch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yQP3frvrA0
    , @unpc downunder
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asUyK6JWt9U
    , @Reg Cæsar

    The Monty Python TV show wasn’t all that funny, not compared to, say, the much more conventional Fawlty Towers.
     
    The classic parrot sketch is just two minutes in an extended eight-minute sequence the rest of which is dreadful. Except for Terry Jones's shockingly honest aside, "It's not easy padding these things out to thirty minutes."

    "Holy Grail" and "Life of Brian" were much more disciplined, and the great moments fit in with everything else. "Meaning of Life" was just too over the top.


    Cleese was the only Python who had outstanding comic timing.
     
    Actually, Michael Palin makes very entertaining travelogues, as does Terry Jones documentaries. They adapted their comic talents quite well. Jones's "The Story of One" is a great companion to Amir Aczel's book "Finding Zero".

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMY3cOiUwAABkgi.jpg

    https://d3myrwj42s63no.cloudfront.net/180/978/113/727/984/2/9781137279842.jpg

    Cleese himself made a number of business education videos-- I was shown one at one temp job-- and, to pay off a divorce settlement, a tasty one on California wine which my six-year-old son couldn't get enough of. (The video, not the wine.)

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5167XSMR3ZL._SY445_.jpg

    , @dfordoom

    The Monty Python TV show wasn’t all that funny, not compared to, say, the much more conventional Fawlty Towers. Cleese was the only Python who had outstanding comic timing.

    But it was original, sometimes brilliant, and memorable.
     
    It wasn't even original. Everything supposedly original and edgy and revolutionary about Monty Python had already been done by Spike Milligan. He wasn't particularly funny either, but he was original. Comedy that is edgy and daring is usually unfunny.

    The late 60s/early 70s was the time when comics decided that it was no longer important for comedy to be funny. They felt that comedy that was funny was hopelessly old-fashioned and uncool. They began a campaign to remove the humour from comedy. By the end of the 70s they had largely succeeded.
    , @Anonym
    I loved Palin in this episode of Ripping Yarns.

    https://youtu.be/vXoHJtGtvWA
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  32. @Anonymous Bosch
    "But never Islam"

    He has joked about not joking about it:-)


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HLmrPiY0kqw
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  33. @megabar
    Yeah, I think Big Bang is funny. I get why some don't like it, but I do.
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  34. @megabar
    Yeah, I think Big Bang is funny. I get why some don't like it, but I do.

    Personally, I think most modern comedies are generally not that funny. The characters are unrelatable and strangely socially awkward. Their intonation is especially painful to listen to. Most of their “jokes” have laugh tracks to make them funny, but I have a hard time believing people are laughing in real life.

    The worst is “Big Bang Theory.” I can’t think of a comedy that’s so difficult to watch.

    Here’s a sample below. Remember, these are the “funniest moments” from the show.

    The only thing “funny” about the above video is just how bad it is. In particular, the voice of “Sheldon” just makes me cringe. I don’t get why anybody considers him funny.

    Compare that to Family Matters, Save by the Bell, or Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Kenan&Kel, or the old Simpsons. 90s era shows were just so much funnier.

    Of course, the older shows were even better.

    You couldn’t make a show like All in the Family now.

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    There are, of course, some funny shows that have been produced in recent times. Interestingly, many of them are extremely cynical and jaded. The characters aren't particularly likable or relatable (unlike in past decades), but they ruthlessly mock contemporary social mores and institutions.

    2 and a Half Men

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Jw4ZdZNPY

    Family Guy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDVNYo2Jw3A

    It's a nihilistic form of humor.

    The Simpsons sort of did something like this (at least back when it was funny during the 90s), but it was gentler. The Simpsons also emphasized that while society was ridiculous, the world was still basically an okay place. The transgressive shows of the current era seem to emphasize that our society is unsalvagable, so let's just have a final laugh as the ship sinks.

    Like for example, there was an episode of the Simpsons that poked fun at Michael Jackson. It was your typical Simpsons episode, but it had a saccharine ending.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPdNtybCjuQ

    If Family Guy had such an episode, it probably would've ended with the 2 siblings fighting to the bitter end, but another family member further screwing up the situation.
    , @Chase
    It’s worse than that: people legitimately do think Big Bang theory is funny. It’s incredible to me. But I’ve talked to people, or more accurately been around people talking about it - they really like it and find it humorous.

    There’s something deeply wrong with us that I’m not sure anyone has yet quite put their finger on. Lots get around the issue, including our proprietor here, but no one has gotten all the strings together in a total fashion. My guess is that we haven’t had true selective pressure in a sufficiently long time that drives all the insanity, but at this point I’d honestly entertain the argument that it’s evil spirits, or something along those lines.

    Either way, it has to be close to its zenith; if it isn’t, God has truly abandoned us.

    , @Svigor
    The loop of Uncle Phil cramming the slice got a half-smile.

    The Chocolate scene was the only one to get a laugh out of me; soon as they started piling it up and eating it. I howled when Lucy said "here she comes" and they immediately started piling it into their hats and blouses.

    The rest of it wasn't funny at all, though Archie's "oh a mixed marriage" quip was mildly amusing.
    , @Kylie
    Until now, I had no idea what "The Big Bang Theory" was actually about since I had it mixed up with "Third Rock from the Sun". The first part of that clip was horribly unfunny. I couldn't bring myself to watch the whole thing.

    I thought "Monty Python" had several good sketches but I was never a big fan. It was too self-aware and attracted the kinds of guys who liked to pore over album covers looking for hidden messages and analyze the lyrics of Jethro Tull albums.

    I like "Benny Hill" and "Fawlty Towers" much better. I also like that show with Vicky Lawrence. She's hilarious. My favorite comedy is "Archer". I have a huge crush on him. Whenever I think how unseemly that is, I console myself by remembering that Charles Crumb had a huge crush on Bobby Driscoll, surely one of the least attractive child actors in history. The only time I ever fell on the floor laughing was while watching "Naked Gun".
    , @Forbes
    TBBT must be targeted at gay diversity because the Sheldon character, and his voice, is as queer as a three dollar bill. I don't know that it's so difficult to watch as it is annoying to listen to.

    There must be something in the water or the air that causes people (mostly guys) to act, play act, or dress up like geeks. I my youth, those were the ones who were made fun of (not bullied) because they dressed funny and were socially awkward. The truly smart students were pretty smooth and self-assured.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    If you go back far enough, to the beginning, you will find the funniest TV shows of all: John Logie Baird's 30-line broadcasts from his mechanical system:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3CFkK5OORw
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  35. @Jefferson
    Muslims are not funny at all. Which is why there is no Muslim version of Rodney Dangerfield, or Eddie Murphy, or Sam Kinison for example.

    It's a cultural thing. You know Muslims are not funny when even Oriental stand up comedians outnumber Muslim stand up comedians.

    Dave Chappelle converted to Islam in 1998. There are a few South Asian Muslim stand-up comics like Aziz Ansari, Hassan Minhaj and Kumail Nanjiani from Silicon Valley. Also Iranians like Maz Jobrani and a fair number from the Palestinian diaspora.

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    Muslims perpetrated Johnny Walker and Mehmood on the world-- we will not forgive them.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Poor Ansari. He's mostly known for his (lack of) makeout technique now.
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  36. Jefferson says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Colin Quinn says:

    "Arabs are the most intense people on earth…. If you start a joke, “You ever notice when people do X?” and mention something annoying, you don’t hear laughter. You hear stony silence, and then, “Why would you allow that impudence to go unpunished?”"

    http://takimag.com/article/true_colin_steve_sailer/print#ixzz5JIW4dviG

    Whenever I get Arab Uber drivers they ALWAYS have an extremely pissed off look on their faces. Arabs are not a very happy people.

    Arabs may share the Mediterranean sea with Southern Europeans and sometimes even share similar phenotype traits with Southern Europeans, but personality wise Arabs and Southern Europeans are complete opposites from each other.

    The stereotype of the colorful happy go lucky Italian for example definitely does not apply to Arabs.

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    You're a funny guy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfcy15ZUE2c
    , @Forbes
    Growing up, my family hosted two exchange students--one from Egypt, and one from Italy (with whom I'm still good friends). I'd have to mostly agree with you.
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  37. Anonym says:
    @t
    Yglesias discovers that Reagen liked cheep labor

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1010663097139331073

    The poisonous Tanuki includes the highly distinctive search term “the”. Here is the would-be professional blogger of the left, tremble before his fearsome intellect!

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  38. The UK is done. It’s headed the way of Brazil. We gave our enormous contribution to the world throughout the last 1000 years, but it’s over. At least we have our horcruxes Canada, US, and Australia that may yet survive and continue our legacy (both genetic and cultural).

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    I can guarantee that the long-term trajectory of the other Anglo nations isn't much different.
    , @Anonym
    It is pretty sad to see that if the left and the (((left))) had its way, there would be no more of the people that gave rise to the Beattles.

    https://youtu.be/QjvzCTqkBDQ

    Of course, not everyone will outbreed, and who is to say that their descendents will not do what is necessary to reclaim their sceptere'd isle.
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  39. @Steve Sailer
    The Monty Python TV show wasn't all that funny, not compared to, say, the much more conventional Fawlty Towers. Cleese was the only Python who had outstanding comic timing.

    But it was original, sometimes brilliant, and memorable.

    Monty Python can start to become a bit tedious once you notice that their usual formula is largely an inversion of the classic double act, where the straight man, often a bureaucrat of some sort, is the one who lives in and perpetuates a world of utter absurdity in a calm, cool, collected manner, driving his comic foil slowly insane. (However, Terry Gilliam found a way to execute it brilliantly in a long-form comedy-drama format when he made Brazil.) The approach appears to have been immensely influential on later British comedy.

    Stewart Lee did a bit of anti-comedy about beating that kind of premise to death, based on the real-life example of a chain of motels whose employees don’t know whether they have any rooms available, requiring guests to call the chain’s national office by themselves from the front desk — although it’s clearly meant to evoke MP’s cheese shop sketch:

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  40. Anonymous[370] • Disclaimer says:

    OT/

    What did Haaretz mean by this?

    There’s a sense that, somewhere in their hearts, Jared and Ivanka know better. Miller, on the other hand, wholeheartedly embraces and embodies an ideology that many American Jews see as a threat to their own well-being, given that it promotes a vision of America as a white Christian nation.

    Read more: https://forward.com/news/403903/why-stephen-miller-is-the-most-hated-jew-in-america-by-fellow-jews/

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  41. @JohnnyWalker123
    Personally, I think most modern comedies are generally not that funny. The characters are unrelatable and strangely socially awkward. Their intonation is especially painful to listen to. Most of their "jokes" have laugh tracks to make them funny, but I have a hard time believing people are laughing in real life.

    The worst is "Big Bang Theory." I can't think of a comedy that's so difficult to watch.

    Here's a sample below. Remember, these are the "funniest moments" from the show.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5tFMfi47aE

    The only thing "funny" about the above video is just how bad it is. In particular, the voice of "Sheldon" just makes me cringe. I don't get why anybody considers him funny.

    Compare that to Family Matters, Save by the Bell, or Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Kenan&Kel, or the old Simpsons. 90s era shows were just so much funnier.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiJumtvcvgk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5gsu8gxVJ8

    Of course, the older shows were even better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NPzLBSBzPI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZYPSyfsulg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIHDeNmNlOo

    You couldn't make a show like All in the Family now.

    There are, of course, some funny shows that have been produced in recent times. Interestingly, many of them are extremely cynical and jaded. The characters aren’t particularly likable or relatable (unlike in past decades), but they ruthlessly mock contemporary social mores and institutions.

    2 and a Half Men

    Family Guy

    It’s a nihilistic form of humor.

    The Simpsons sort of did something like this (at least back when it was funny during the 90s), but it was gentler. The Simpsons also emphasized that while society was ridiculous, the world was still basically an okay place. The transgressive shows of the current era seem to emphasize that our society is unsalvagable, so let’s just have a final laugh as the ship sinks.

    Like for example, there was an episode of the Simpsons that poked fun at Michael Jackson. It was your typical Simpsons episode, but it had a saccharine ending.

    If Family Guy had such an episode, it probably would’ve ended with the 2 siblings fighting to the bitter end, but another family member further screwing up the situation.

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    Awww....
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  42. Chase says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Personally, I think most modern comedies are generally not that funny. The characters are unrelatable and strangely socially awkward. Their intonation is especially painful to listen to. Most of their "jokes" have laugh tracks to make them funny, but I have a hard time believing people are laughing in real life.

    The worst is "Big Bang Theory." I can't think of a comedy that's so difficult to watch.

    Here's a sample below. Remember, these are the "funniest moments" from the show.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5tFMfi47aE

    The only thing "funny" about the above video is just how bad it is. In particular, the voice of "Sheldon" just makes me cringe. I don't get why anybody considers him funny.

    Compare that to Family Matters, Save by the Bell, or Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Kenan&Kel, or the old Simpsons. 90s era shows were just so much funnier.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiJumtvcvgk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5gsu8gxVJ8

    Of course, the older shows were even better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NPzLBSBzPI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZYPSyfsulg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIHDeNmNlOo

    You couldn't make a show like All in the Family now.

    It’s worse than that: people legitimately do think Big Bang theory is funny. It’s incredible to me. But I’ve talked to people, or more accurately been around people talking about it – they really like it and find it humorous.

    There’s something deeply wrong with us that I’m not sure anyone has yet quite put their finger on. Lots get around the issue, including our proprietor here, but no one has gotten all the strings together in a total fashion. My guess is that we haven’t had true selective pressure in a sufficiently long time that drives all the insanity, but at this point I’d honestly entertain the argument that it’s evil spirits, or something along those lines.

    Either way, it has to be close to its zenith; if it isn’t, God has truly abandoned us.

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    I actually like Young Sheldon better. Yes, the mother is a Bible thumper and the father is no Einstein, but they're loving parents to all three of their children, and frequently quite wise about handling them. Sheldon's precocity is an accepted fact, but it gets him neither persecuted nor spoiled.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    I think people are so conditioned by broadcast media these days that they'll exercise sheep-like obediance to whatever they see on the screen. So if BBT is constantly hyped in commercials, people watch. If BBT puts on a laugh track during an unfunny joke, people laugh.

    Something similar seems to have happened to music. No-talent acts like "Justin Bieber" become famous and popular just because their music is over marketed.

    Control of the media (TV, radio, movies, Instagram, etc.) gives one a lot of power. Power to decide what's "funny." Power to decide what music "sounds good." Power to shape the culture..........

    The most notable power of all is the power to shape what people think, believe, and speak. That's the sort of power that really allows you to run the world.......
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  43. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    The UK is done. It's headed the way of Brazil. We gave our enormous contribution to the world throughout the last 1000 years, but it's over. At least we have our horcruxes Canada, US, and Australia that may yet survive and continue our legacy (both genetic and cultural).

    I can guarantee that the long-term trajectory of the other Anglo nations isn’t much different.

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    We’ll see. If the United States continues to swing rightward, expect Canada, at least, to follow suit (kicking and screaming, admittedly, but still).
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  44. Anonymous[155] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous Bosch
    "But never Islam"

    He has joked about not joking about it:-)


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HLmrPiY0kqw

    Yes, there is the occasional odd critique of Islam or Cultural Marxism from John Cleese. Once every 30 years or so. Compared to the avalanche he directed at normal white culture

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  45. @Steve Sailer
    That The Big Bang Theory is a giant hit strikes me as good and encouraging.

    Steve,

    What do you think of Silicon Valley?

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    Silicon Valley is funnier and more in touch with reality. The hot woman is NOT a techie and they revel in tweaking the stereotypes, like how the Pakistani is legal but the Canadian is illegal.
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  46. njguy73 says:

    BBC viewers are a bunch of snotty-faced heaps of parrot droppings! They need to shut their festering gobs! Their type makes me want to puke! Stuck-up twits, slimy trollops, and vacuous perverts!

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    Sitting on their spotty behinds, picking their loathesome blackheads....
    , @Anon
    You forgot 'malodorous.'
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  47. theMann says:
    @megabar
    Yeah, I think Big Bang is funny. I get why some don't like it, but I do.

    Well:

    TBBT has its moments- every second with Sheldon’s or Leonard’s Moms, for instance.

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  48. I’ve tried to get into Fawlty Towers, but IMO nothing in it can touch the Argument Clinic, or the Fish-Slapping Dance, or the malicious English-Hungarian dictionary, or the sheep airliner, or Philosophers’ Soccer, or World Forum… Maybe it’s because I encountered Python at age 13 but FT not until adulthood.

    The Python series contains some fairly crude stereotypes of Chinese, Africans and Scotsmen, but they reserved their most vicious skewerings for the English upper class. Punching up as it were.

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    Also STINKING HOMOSEXUALS

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=knwwgZNeIpA
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    "Drop your panties Sir William, I cannot wait till lunchtime."
    , @Unladen Swallow
    I might add the interview for the mountain climbing expedition, playwright whose son is a coal miner, people dressing like mice, old ladies beating up defenseless young men, mobsters shaking down the Army, the show Blackmail, communists on a game show, nudge, nudge, wink, wink, and of course self defense class with fresh fruit.
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  49. @Jefferson
    Whenever I get Arab Uber drivers they ALWAYS have an extremely pissed off look on their faces. Arabs are not a very happy people.

    Arabs may share the Mediterranean sea with Southern Europeans and sometimes even share similar phenotype traits with Southern Europeans, but personality wise Arabs and Southern Europeans are complete opposites from each other.

    The stereotype of the colorful happy go lucky Italian for example definitely does not apply to Arabs.

    You’re a funny guy.

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    I love Joe Pesci.
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  51. @WowJustWow
    It's cool to hate the show and its characterizations, but if you've spent time in tech universities and similar professional circles, you'll have met dead ringers for some of those characters. I've never seen another piece of scripted entertainment capture so many facets of real nerds.

    The show may be an accurate portrayal of nerds, but the characters aren’t likable. Their social awkwardness is supposed to be funny, but mostly it’s just cringe worthy.

    Steve Urkel was a way more watchable nerd.

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  52. @Anonymous
    All Monty Python did was denigrate “bourgeois” culture because it was safe to do so.

    To this day, John Cleese will mock White American Christians, but never Islam or the Left in the same way. B

    It’s easy to mock what you take for granted. The curmudgeon iss always right about the dangers of losing reverence towards the pillars of society:

    The prescient one in the room speaks around 25:00

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    That bishop reminds me of Gaddafi...
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  53. B36 says:

    Suffice it to say that no one today would die from the Funniest Joke in the World.

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  54. @Anonymous
    All Monty Python did was denigrate “bourgeois” culture because it was safe to do so.

    To this day, John Cleese will mock White American Christians, but never Islam or the Left in the same way. B

    To this day, John Cleese will mock White American Christians, but never Islam or the Left in the same way.

    Cleese is a parasite living off the accumulated capital of those who build the edifice he mocks. As to the Left and Islam, Cleese is, expectedly, nothing more than a whoring sychophant. If the wind changes Cleese will tack accordingly.

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    My Goodness. WTF. Seriously what are you even talking about.

    Or is it just a rehearsal for a sketch called "Unz Comment Section"?

    Hitler in England:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdJpDxlI8H0

    "Cool it, Führer Cat"

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  55. Svigor says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Personally, I think most modern comedies are generally not that funny. The characters are unrelatable and strangely socially awkward. Their intonation is especially painful to listen to. Most of their "jokes" have laugh tracks to make them funny, but I have a hard time believing people are laughing in real life.

    The worst is "Big Bang Theory." I can't think of a comedy that's so difficult to watch.

    Here's a sample below. Remember, these are the "funniest moments" from the show.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5tFMfi47aE

    The only thing "funny" about the above video is just how bad it is. In particular, the voice of "Sheldon" just makes me cringe. I don't get why anybody considers him funny.

    Compare that to Family Matters, Save by the Bell, or Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Kenan&Kel, or the old Simpsons. 90s era shows were just so much funnier.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiJumtvcvgk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5gsu8gxVJ8

    Of course, the older shows were even better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NPzLBSBzPI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZYPSyfsulg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIHDeNmNlOo

    You couldn't make a show like All in the Family now.

    The loop of Uncle Phil cramming the slice got a half-smile.

    The Chocolate scene was the only one to get a laugh out of me; soon as they started piling it up and eating it. I howled when Lucy said “here she comes” and they immediately started piling it into their hats and blouses.

    The rest of it wasn’t funny at all, though Archie’s “oh a mixed marriage” quip was mildly amusing.

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    It's funnier than anything you'll see on BBT or SV.
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  56. @JohnnyWalker123
    I can guarantee that the long-term trajectory of the other Anglo nations isn't much different.

    We’ll see. If the United States continues to swing rightward, expect Canada, at least, to follow suit (kicking and screaming, admittedly, but still).

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    Well I meant to say that in the long-term, I don't expect the US to diverge from the rest of Anglosphere. If the US is eventually saved by the rightward anti-globalist shift, this will reverberate in the rest of the Anglosphere at some point.

    A lot of the negative trends we've seen in America in recent years seem to have gone viral in the Anglosphere and many other Continental Euro nations.
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  57. Terry Gilliam is alt-right.

    Well, he is for somebody his age, which is to say, he’s not. But if he were 30 years younger he would be.

    Brazil has proved to be the most prescient film of the 1980s.

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    Gilliam's "Brazil," with its script by Stoppard, is basically Orwell's "1984" if "1984" had been written by Waugh.
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  58. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Python was funny, often brilliant. And it mocked everyone from left to right.

    Still, there is a poetic justice to all this. Python did such an effective job of mocking everything that was grand and glorious about Great Britain that it created a generation of cynics and nasties.

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  59. @Simple Song
    Terry Gilliam is alt-right.

    Well, he is for somebody his age, which is to say, he's not. But if he were 30 years younger he would be.

    Brazil has proved to be the most prescient film of the 1980s.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4KFNhxibec

    Gilliam’s “Brazil,” with its script by Stoppard, is basically Orwell’s “1984″ if “1984″ had been written by Waugh.

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    "Love Among the Ruins" was a better prediction than "1984", though neither of them really were.
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  60. Eric Idle and Michael Palin were always my favorite. While they may have lacked Cleese’s deadpan humor and timing, they were the best at sheer absurdity and silliness. The worst comic performer of the bunch (not counting the American Terry Gilliam, whose role in the group was writing and drawing rather than comic acting) seemed to be Terry Jones, which was odd since he seemed to be the mastermind behind the group.

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  61. One of those white maleish ’60s relics evidently got it backwards:

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  62. CCZ says:

    Definitely “too white” for today.

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  63. Anonym says:
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    The UK is done. It's headed the way of Brazil. We gave our enormous contribution to the world throughout the last 1000 years, but it's over. At least we have our horcruxes Canada, US, and Australia that may yet survive and continue our legacy (both genetic and cultural).

    It is pretty sad to see that if the left and the (((left))) had its way, there would be no more of the people that gave rise to the Beattles.

    Of course, not everyone will outbreed, and who is to say that their descendents will not do what is necessary to reclaim their sceptere’d isle.

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    At some point, it doesn't matter if you outbreed or not. Certainly, the people who want to be rid of us will either mandate it by law or force us to at gunpoint in some way if we are reluctant to, or just mass murder us when we've been whittled down to a low enough percentage of the population and still refuse. After all, these are the descendants of the same people behind the Bolshevik atrocities. I wouldn't put anything past them.
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  64. @Steve Sailer
    The Monty Python TV show wasn't all that funny, not compared to, say, the much more conventional Fawlty Towers. Cleese was the only Python who had outstanding comic timing.

    But it was original, sometimes brilliant, and memorable.

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    I'd never seen that. Very funny! Thanks, Bruce, errr unpc.
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  65. @Steve Sailer
    The Monty Python TV show wasn't all that funny, not compared to, say, the much more conventional Fawlty Towers. Cleese was the only Python who had outstanding comic timing.

    But it was original, sometimes brilliant, and memorable.

    The Monty Python TV show wasn’t all that funny, not compared to, say, the much more conventional Fawlty Towers.

    The classic parrot sketch is just two minutes in an extended eight-minute sequence the rest of which is dreadful. Except for Terry Jones’s shockingly honest aside, “It’s not easy padding these things out to thirty minutes.”

    “Holy Grail” and “Life of Brian” were much more disciplined, and the great moments fit in with everything else. “Meaning of Life” was just too over the top.

    Cleese was the only Python who had outstanding comic timing.

    Actually, Michael Palin makes very entertaining travelogues, as does Terry Jones documentaries. They adapted their comic talents quite well. Jones’s “The Story of One” is a great companion to Amir Aczel’s book “Finding Zero”.

    Cleese himself made a number of business education videos– I was shown one at one temp job– and, to pay off a divorce settlement, a tasty one on California wine which my six-year-old son couldn’t get enough of. (The video, not the wine.)

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  66. AndrewR says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    "Caitlyn" Jenner is cheering for Russia.

    https://twitter.com/Caitlyn_Jenner/status/1006808971909484545

    "She" goes on to say that just because "she" supports Russia, it doesn't mean that "she" has "gone crazy." Which is good to know, because supporting Russia might be the craziest thing that "she" has ever done. It'd be sad to a sane person lose it, but fortunately that hasn't happened.

    It turns out that everytime Russia scores a goal, "Paddy Power" will be donating £10,000 to LGBT causes. Which is why "Caitlyn" is so excited to support Russia.

    Back in the 70s, "Caitlyn" (who was then known as "Bruce") defeated some Russians at the Olympic decathalons. "She" (then a "he") then did this cool Wheaties commercial.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNU90DQn5lw

    His/her legs are utterly repulsive. Good lawd.

    And I don’t feel like researching this but I imagine that Russia isn’t even in the top quartile of “anti-LGBT” countries. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t in the top half. Chechnya is admittedly not a great place to be a sexual minority but Russia in general is probably as “anti-LGBT” as the US was 30 years ago.

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  67. @unpc downunder
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asUyK6JWt9U

    I’d never seen that. Very funny! Thanks, Bruce, errr unpc.

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  68. AndrewR says:
    @Antlitz Grollheim
    It's easy to mock what you take for granted. The curmudgeon iss always right about the dangers of losing reverence towards the pillars of society:

    https://youtu.be/CeKWVuye1YE

    The prescient one in the room speaks around 25:00

    That bishop reminds me of Gaddafi…

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    I see that.
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  69. Kylie says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Personally, I think most modern comedies are generally not that funny. The characters are unrelatable and strangely socially awkward. Their intonation is especially painful to listen to. Most of their "jokes" have laugh tracks to make them funny, but I have a hard time believing people are laughing in real life.

    The worst is "Big Bang Theory." I can't think of a comedy that's so difficult to watch.

    Here's a sample below. Remember, these are the "funniest moments" from the show.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5tFMfi47aE

    The only thing "funny" about the above video is just how bad it is. In particular, the voice of "Sheldon" just makes me cringe. I don't get why anybody considers him funny.

    Compare that to Family Matters, Save by the Bell, or Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Kenan&Kel, or the old Simpsons. 90s era shows were just so much funnier.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiJumtvcvgk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5gsu8gxVJ8

    Of course, the older shows were even better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NPzLBSBzPI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZYPSyfsulg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIHDeNmNlOo

    You couldn't make a show like All in the Family now.

    Until now, I had no idea what “The Big Bang Theory” was actually about since I had it mixed up with “Third Rock from the Sun”. The first part of that clip was horribly unfunny. I couldn’t bring myself to watch the whole thing.

    I thought “Monty Python” had several good sketches but I was never a big fan. It was too self-aware and attracted the kinds of guys who liked to pore over album covers looking for hidden messages and analyze the lyrics of Jethro Tull albums.

    I like “Benny Hill” and “Fawlty Towers” much better. I also like that show with Vicky Lawrence. She’s hilarious. My favorite comedy is “Archer”. I have a huge crush on him. Whenever I think how unseemly that is, I console myself by remembering that Charles Crumb had a huge crush on Bobby Driscoll, surely one of the least attractive child actors in history. The only time I ever fell on the floor laughing was while watching “Naked Gun”.

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    My favorite '70s English comedy was "The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin." Sort of "the Office" before the "the Office" was cool.

    "I didn't get where I am today without loving The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin."

    "Twenty minutes late, black ice at Norbiton"
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  70. Kylie says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    You're a funny guy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfcy15ZUE2c

    I love Joe Pesci.

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    I agree. Joe Pesci has acting genius.
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  71. g2k says:
    @WowJustWow
    It's cool to hate the show and its characterizations, but if you've spent time in tech universities and similar professional circles, you'll have met dead ringers for some of those characters. I've never seen another piece of scripted entertainment capture so many facets of real nerds.

    Sorry, I have to call BS on this here. In real life, At least half would be mainland Chinese and speak only mandarin and all of them would hardly ever talk to each other. They certainly wouldn’t be with those women; the actress who plays one of the girlfriends is dating an athlete in real life, not a physicist.

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    Actresses tend to be better looking than the characters they portray.

    Also, Betty and Veronica look less like high school girls than like supermodels flying first class between JFK and Milan. And even if they were high school girls, they wouldn't be caught dead with Archie and Jughead.

    , @WowJustWow
    The fact that Penny is too hot and un-nerdy for a guy like Leonard is the central story arc of the entire series. And you've pointed out precisely why the main cast is a bunch of whites and one Indian, to the chagrin of SJWs everywhere.
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  72. AP says:
    @Jefferson
    The Big Bang Theory has to be the least vibrantly diverse show on television today.

    Their only Nonwhite cast member is Indian not African American, so not a single regular cast member is African American on The Big Bang Theory. I'm sure this triggers a lot of Social Justice Warrior Snowflakes safe spaces when they are flipping the channel and come across that show.

    Before The Big Bang Theory when was the last time a popular 21st Century American show did not have a single regular cast member who is African American? The Sopranos?

    Two and a half men.

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    Big Bang Theory is a big improvement on Chuck Lorre's previous hit Two and a Half Men.
    , @anon
    That must be why they added a black neighbor for a couple of episodes. They rang all the changes: famous (some kinda athaleet, I guess), huge, simmering threat that makes everyone walk on eggshells around him and suck up to him, lots of "big stick" jokes, etc. Shameful.
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  73. @g2k
    Sorry, I have to call BS on this here. In real life, At least half would be mainland Chinese and speak only mandarin and all of them would hardly ever talk to each other. They certainly wouldn't be with those women; the actress who plays one of the girlfriends is dating an athlete in real life, not a physicist.

    Actresses tend to be better looking than the characters they portray.

    Also, Betty and Veronica look less like high school girls than like supermodels flying first class between JFK and Milan. And even if they were high school girls, they wouldn’t be caught dead with Archie and Jughead.

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    And don't forget about The Munsters and The Addams Family, and the difference between the young women and the rest of their families.
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  74. @AP
    Two and a half men.

    Big Bang Theory is a big improvement on Chuck Lorre’s previous hit Two and a Half Men.

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    No way.

    Which of the BBT characters is as funny as Charlie Sheen?
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  75. g2k says:
    @Matra
    I liked Monty Python movies when I was a teenager in Canada (late 80s), though I certainly didn't love them the way most supposedly cool North American teenagers did at the time. When I went back to the UK in my mid-20s and saw episodes of the Monty Python TV show I was absolutely stunned by just how awful they were. Maybe the movies were a lot better than the TV show? My suspicion is that MP really only appeals to teenagers who think they are edgy.

    For those who are interested there is a grumpy right-wing Englishman with a Twitter account called Mr. Alf Garnett (the original Archie Bunker) who regularly shows old British comedy clips...and gripes about today's PC comedy. (The first one right now is a sitcom from 1974 in which a typical working class Englishmen gives his one word descriptions - all negative - of Koreans and "all Orientals", Russians, Egyptians, Italians, French, Germans, Danes, and Americans).

    Comedy on British TV today is embarrassingly bad because of PC with the female quota stand-up comedians being not only bad but utterly disgusting in subject matter.

    Monkey dust must’ve slipped under the radar in the early 00s. They’re obviously quite embarrassed about it as it’s never been rerun or released on DVD.

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    Monkey Dust was funny, and often quite subversive. I'd forgotten about that brilliant 'Crusades' film parody, but this 'Stone of Wexford' clip always really resonates with me.

    https://vimeo.com/80373255
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  76. Olorin says:
    @Faraday's Bobcat
    I've tried to get into Fawlty Towers, but IMO nothing in it can touch the Argument Clinic, or the Fish-Slapping Dance, or the malicious English-Hungarian dictionary, or the sheep airliner, or Philosophers' Soccer, or World Forum... Maybe it's because I encountered Python at age 13 but FT not until adulthood.

    The Python series contains some fairly crude stereotypes of Chinese, Africans and Scotsmen, but they reserved their most vicious skewerings for the English upper class. Punching up as it were.

    Also STINKING HOMOSEXUALS

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  77. @Achilles

    The hit comedy Motherland is to return for a new series, the BBC has announced, as it unveiled its most diverse lineup of new comedies to date.

    Other shows include There She Goes, a comedy drama about a nine-year-old girl with learning disabilities, starring and W1A’s Jessica Hynes, and Diary of A Hounslow Girl, about three Muslim girls.

    ...the BBC will air a comedy about mental health issues, BBC Three’s In My Skin, and a new female sketch show called Tash and Ellie.
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/19/motherland-to-return-in-diverse-bbc-comedy-lineup

    Yawn. Give me the exploding penguin on top of a television set.

    …the BBC will air a comedy about mental health issues, BBC Three’s In My Skin, and a new female sketch show called Tash and Ellie.

    To be completely fair, “Smack the Pony” was often pretty damn funny.

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  78. jim jones says:

    I am surprised that no one has picked on the Beatles, those cultural juggernauts, for being all White.

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    Just you wait.
    , @Seamus Padraig
    I can just see the hashtag now: "#BeatlesSoWhite"
    , @Forbes
    Ugh. Don't give 'em any ideas. I hear enough of the awful hip-hop/rap genre to sink a battle ship.
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  79. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    The Monty Python TV show wasn't all that funny, not compared to, say, the much more conventional Fawlty Towers. Cleese was the only Python who had outstanding comic timing.

    But it was original, sometimes brilliant, and memorable.

    The Monty Python TV show wasn’t all that funny, not compared to, say, the much more conventional Fawlty Towers. Cleese was the only Python who had outstanding comic timing.

    But it was original, sometimes brilliant, and memorable.

    It wasn’t even original. Everything supposedly original and edgy and revolutionary about Monty Python had already been done by Spike Milligan. He wasn’t particularly funny either, but he was original. Comedy that is edgy and daring is usually unfunny.

    The late 60s/early 70s was the time when comics decided that it was no longer important for comedy to be funny. They felt that comedy that was funny was hopelessly old-fashioned and uncool. They began a campaign to remove the humour from comedy. By the end of the 70s they had largely succeeded.

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  80. Gemjunior says:
    @Achilles

    The hit comedy Motherland is to return for a new series, the BBC has announced, as it unveiled its most diverse lineup of new comedies to date.

    Other shows include There She Goes, a comedy drama about a nine-year-old girl with learning disabilities, starring and W1A’s Jessica Hynes, and Diary of A Hounslow Girl, about three Muslim girls.

    ...the BBC will air a comedy about mental health issues, BBC Three’s In My Skin, and a new female sketch show called Tash and Ellie.
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/19/motherland-to-return-in-diverse-bbc-comedy-lineup

    Yawn. Give me the exploding penguin on top of a television set.

    LMAO! Intercourse the penguin.

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  81. @jim jones
    I am surprised that no one has picked on the Beatles, those cultural juggernauts, for being all White.

    Just you wait.

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    The Beatles did culturally appropriate black American music, after all. Lennon blatantly stole from a Chuck Berry song for Come Together.

    But the black American musicians saw their popularity rise, and Chuck Berry settled his lawsuit with Lennon when Lennon agreed to cover three Chuck Berry songs, including the one that inspired Come Together.

    Interesting how using another culture’s music was once considered honoring the culture.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Don't give them ideas.

    The Beatles' early work both covered and was influenced by R&B, but as others have noted, this has been redefined as cultural appropriation, not cultural appreciation.

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    They should go after Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones for appropriating a black singing voice and turning it into something comical. What's funny about it is that he must have seriously thought in the beginning that he was singing like a black man, when in fact it comes across as faggy British parody.

    Unless that was his point all along...

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  82. Olorin says:
    @Achilles

    The hit comedy Motherland is to return for a new series, the BBC has announced, as it unveiled its most diverse lineup of new comedies to date.

    Other shows include There She Goes, a comedy drama about a nine-year-old girl with learning disabilities, starring and W1A’s Jessica Hynes, and Diary of A Hounslow Girl, about three Muslim girls.

    ...the BBC will air a comedy about mental health issues, BBC Three’s In My Skin, and a new female sketch show called Tash and Ellie.
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/19/motherland-to-return-in-diverse-bbc-comedy-lineup

    Yawn. Give me the exploding penguin on top of a television set.

    I’m confused. BBC is signaling that we’re now supposed to laugh at the disabled and tetched?

    Or does the humor lie in our PC superiors’ observing the discomfort they cause as they keep moving the goalposts for what J. Random Deplorable may or may not react to, and how, when, and whether?

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    That seems like reasonable observation. The SJW/PC police keep moving the goal posts. It's almost impossible to distinguish fiction or satire from reality.

    We can make fun of the disabled now?? I can call someone a retard without a ton of bricks raining down on me?
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  83. Tyrion 2 says: • Website

    As one bright but apolitical young lady told me about why she won’t use the BBC streaming service or pay the tax. “Every single show is trying to force a message.”

    Ironically, there are redoubts of plain sense in the BBC broadcast schedule and they’re on the BBC politics programming: where the need for a display of political openness has allowed people like Andrew Neil to flourish.

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  84. @g2k
    Sorry, I have to call BS on this here. In real life, At least half would be mainland Chinese and speak only mandarin and all of them would hardly ever talk to each other. They certainly wouldn't be with those women; the actress who plays one of the girlfriends is dating an athlete in real life, not a physicist.

    The fact that Penny is too hot and un-nerdy for a guy like Leonard is the central story arc of the entire series. And you’ve pointed out precisely why the main cast is a bunch of whites and one Indian, to the chagrin of SJWs everywhere.

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  85. @g2k
    Monkey dust must've slipped under the radar in the early 00s. They're obviously quite embarrassed about it as it's never been rerun or released on DVD.

    https://youtu.be/HuMfb4syEHA

    https://youtu.be/6KlTbbZjn-E

    https://youtu.be/vEVJ_48YgTg

    Monkey Dust was funny, and often quite subversive. I’d forgotten about that brilliant ‘Crusades’ film parody, but this ‘Stone of Wexford’ clip always really resonates with me.

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  86. Anonym says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The Monty Python TV show wasn't all that funny, not compared to, say, the much more conventional Fawlty Towers. Cleese was the only Python who had outstanding comic timing.

    But it was original, sometimes brilliant, and memorable.

    I loved Palin in this episode of Ripping Yarns.

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  87. @Steve Sailer
    Just you wait.

    The Beatles did culturally appropriate black American music, after all. Lennon blatantly stole from a Chuck Berry song for Come Together.

    But the black American musicians saw their popularity rise, and Chuck Berry settled his lawsuit with Lennon when Lennon agreed to cover three Chuck Berry songs, including the one that inspired Come Together.

    Interesting how using another culture’s music was once considered honoring the culture.

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    Yeah, The Beatles are also famous as covers of this Motown classic:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=425GpjTSlS4

    By the way, I think music is the biggest black contribution to the world. The life becomes more colorful with music. It's no exaggeration to say that Black contribution to music is analogous of Jewish contribution to physics. From Jazz or Rock in USA to Tango or Samba in Latin America, in all places that have black people, their influence on music is strong.

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  88. Saxon says:
    @Anonym
    It is pretty sad to see that if the left and the (((left))) had its way, there would be no more of the people that gave rise to the Beattles.

    https://youtu.be/QjvzCTqkBDQ

    Of course, not everyone will outbreed, and who is to say that their descendents will not do what is necessary to reclaim their sceptere'd isle.

    At some point, it doesn’t matter if you outbreed or not. Certainly, the people who want to be rid of us will either mandate it by law or force us to at gunpoint in some way if we are reluctant to, or just mass murder us when we’ve been whittled down to a low enough percentage of the population and still refuse. After all, these are the descendants of the same people behind the Bolshevik atrocities. I wouldn’t put anything past them.

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    At some point, it doesn’t matter if you outbreed or not. Certainly, the people who want to be rid of us will either mandate it by law or force us to at gunpoint in some way if we are reluctant to, or just mass murder us when we’ve been whittled down to a low enough percentage of the population and still refuse. After all, these are the descendants of the same people behind the Bolshevik atrocities. I wouldn’t put anything past them.

    You may be right if we choose not to breed and don't exert our will. I think it is harder than that otherwise they would have done it by now. If we keep up our numbers and become more ethnocentric, very difficult for them especially where we own guns.

    I don't put anything past them either.
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  89. Marcus D. says:
    @Paleo Liberal
    The Beatles did culturally appropriate black American music, after all. Lennon blatantly stole from a Chuck Berry song for Come Together.

    But the black American musicians saw their popularity rise, and Chuck Berry settled his lawsuit with Lennon when Lennon agreed to cover three Chuck Berry songs, including the one that inspired Come Together.

    Interesting how using another culture’s music was once considered honoring the culture.

    Yeah, The Beatles are also famous as covers of this Motown classic:

    By the way, I think music is the biggest black contribution to the world. The life becomes more colorful with music. It’s no exaggeration to say that Black contribution to music is analogous of Jewish contribution to physics. From Jazz or Rock in USA to Tango or Samba in Latin America, in all places that have black people, their influence on music is strong.

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    ...I think music is the biggest black contribution to the world.
     
    That, and wide receiver, definitely.

    Mr. Postman was a minor song for the Beatles, done probably to fill an album.
    , @Anonymous
    Jazz is black music, largely, but on white instruments and with a lot of white and Jewish influence. There was a lot of interaction between white and black jazz men and you never saw blacks do something absolutely original without there being some white stimulation or precedent. Black big band jazz, black hard bop, black cool jazz were all a response or a extension of white trailblazers.

    That isn't to say that it was not common for the best and most prominent, most advanced practitioner of any style to be a black artist. Often it was, but not by any means always or usually.
    , @MBlanc46
    The blues and basketball is how one of my younger brothers characterized the black contribution to human achievement.
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  90. @jim jones
    I am surprised that no one has picked on the Beatles, those cultural juggernauts, for being all White.

    I can just see the hashtag now: “#BeatlesSoWhite”

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    "#WhiteAlbumTooWhite"
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  91. El Dato says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    To this day, John Cleese will mock White American Christians, but never Islam or the Left in the same way.
     
    Cleese is a parasite living off the accumulated capital of those who build the edifice he mocks. As to the Left and Islam, Cleese is, expectedly, nothing more than a whoring sychophant. If the wind changes Cleese will tack accordingly.

    My Goodness. WTF. Seriously what are you even talking about.

    Or is it just a rehearsal for a sketch called “Unz Comment Section”?

    Hitler in England:

    “Cool it, Führer Cat”

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  92. The bit with Doug and Dinsdale Piranha was hilarious. But one of the top scenes that could never be aired today was from Sanford and Son, when Fred was in traffic court.

    Fred: “Judge, what have you got against black drivers?”
    Judge: “I don’t know what you mean.”
    Fred: “Are you kiddin’ me? There’s enough n*****s here to make a Tarzan movie!”

    Or Aunt Esther’s reaction when Grip Matlock suggested that he was in fact Lamont’s father instead of Fred, disparaging the virtue of her younger sister. “What did you say n****r?!!!”

    These days, all jokes have to be at the expense of straight white male Gentiles or you are liable to be refused service at a restaurant or physically attacked by free thinkers.

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  93. @AndrewR
    That bishop reminds me of Gaddafi...

    I see that.

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  94. @JohnnyWalker123
    Do you guys find Big Bang Theory to be funny?

    No.

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  95. @JohnnyWalker123
    Do you guys find Big Bang Theory to be funny?

    Wait, do you mean the actual Big Bang Theory or that TV show?

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    IMHO the theory is really pretty hilarious in a nihilist-existentialist sort of way, while the TV show, from what I've seen, has a few funny moments.

    From what I've heard, the TV show also made the female lead, whatever her name is, the highest paid woman in television, so there's something for the anti-incel brigade to suck on.

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  96. @Almost Missouri
    Wait, do you mean the actual Big Bang Theory or that TV show?

    IMHO the theory is really pretty hilarious in a nihilist-existentialist sort of way, while the TV show, from what I’ve seen, has a few funny moments.

    From what I’ve heard, the TV show also made the female lead, whatever her name is, the highest paid woman in television, so there’s something for the anti-incel brigade to suck on.

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    The highest paid person on television is a woman, but you've got the wrong one.

    http://ew.com/article/2016/10/04/highest-paid-tv-stars/
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  97. Yak-15 says:
    @Steve Sailer
    That The Big Bang Theory is a giant hit strikes me as good and encouraging.

    Why? The jokes are brutally unfunny…

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  98. @International Jew
    Hmm, what was "Oxbridge" about the Monty Python cast? As a humble American, that part flew right past me.

    There is plenty in Python for Americans to latch onto, but something that is less apparent to us colonials, but does resonate back in mother England, is that a lot of Monty Python is finely graded class-sneering, or as the kids say now, microaggressions, or as we call it, status signalling.

    As Oxbridge graduates of the merit era, the Python crew were upper middle class strivers who happened to have their professional field in comedy. Some of their product was overt mockery of the the English social classes above them (“upper class twits”), below them (“Gumbys”), before them in time (the stiff-upper-lip war generation) or slightly different from them in geography (“man turns into Scotsman”), or at variance with their boomer political orthodoxies. But even when their mockery isn’t overt, they have constant tiny references to subtle British class markers and prejudices. In one of the clips on this thread, Palin explains that the name “Brian”, as in Life of Brian, connotes a certain well-meaning but kinda clueless lower-middle class-ness, for example.

    As a youth, I immensely enjoyed their work–even when I didn’t understand the cultural context, and it probably formed me in ways I am unconscious of now. On the other hand, the irony of their complaining about the cultural collapse they helped to engineer is a bit rich. In their last production, Spamalot, they have essentially become what they used to make fun of: un-self-aware duffers sitting prettily atop the socio-cultural heap. Originally posing as mavericks, they have become the new Establishment. Unfortunately, the New Establishment hasn’t actually accomplished anything except monopolizing leftover riches while sneering at everyone else’s decay.

    FWIW, I still find them funny, when they are not trying too hard to be didactic. They had real talent, and when they weren’t taking themselves too seriously, could be very witty [yes, I know, insert Oscar Wilde sketch here]. Much of what they lampooned had acquired a thick layer of puffery and pomposity and was due for a purging parody, so Python can’t really be faulted living in a time with perhaps more than its share of accumulated conceit. They also inadvertently left some time bombs to the future SJW agenda: Stan, the wannabe transgender in Life of Brian comes to mind.

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    Well said.
    , @International Jew
    Thanks, that was by far the best answer I got to my question. Maybe I just didn't make myself clear, but I wasn't asking for the etymology of "Oxbridge" or a list of which colleges the cast of Monty Python attended.

    I've always loved Monty Python, even if I've missed half their oxtabridgian allusions.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    Superb comment; I think you've nailed it.

    I find watching MP these days frustrating -- as so many of us do, I have a condensed highlight reel of great MP moments I can run in my head, but when I go back to the sketches and actually watch them, many seem plodding and labored.

    Daughter C is almost 16, and is deeply into British history and literature. I'm thinking it's about time for us to watch Grail.
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  99. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ali Choudhury
    Dave Chappelle converted to Islam in 1998. There are a few South Asian Muslim stand-up comics like Aziz Ansari, Hassan Minhaj and Kumail Nanjiani from Silicon Valley. Also Iranians like Maz Jobrani and a fair number from the Palestinian diaspora.

    Muslims perpetrated Johnny Walker and Mehmood on the world– we will not forgive them.

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  100. Nachum says:

    I’m kind of shocked that a BBC exec wouldn’t realize that only five of the six Pythons went to Oxbridge. Gilliam is an American.

    Of course, he thinks an all-black cast is great.

    And of course lots of Python jokes would just be UNACCEPTABLE! today.

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  101. @Anonymous Bosch
    Can't say I'm surprised. Nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition, but its contemporary PC counterpart is rather predictable.

    Criticising the Beeb? That’s heresy! Heresy on three counts — heresy by thought, heresy by word, heresy by deed, and heresy by action — *four* counts. Do you confess?

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  102. @Luke Lea
    Thank God for replays. https://goo.gl/6Y2BLS

    I found a bunch of them on VHS at a thrift shop.

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  103. @Twinkie
    Dennis the Peasant sequence in Holy Grail is my favorite comedy sketch. Of all time.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCU2yWXyWg8

    Castle Anthrax for the win.

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  104. @Ali Choudhury
    Dave Chappelle converted to Islam in 1998. There are a few South Asian Muslim stand-up comics like Aziz Ansari, Hassan Minhaj and Kumail Nanjiani from Silicon Valley. Also Iranians like Maz Jobrani and a fair number from the Palestinian diaspora.

    Poor Ansari. He’s mostly known for his (lack of) makeout technique now.

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  105. @JohnnyWalker123
    There are, of course, some funny shows that have been produced in recent times. Interestingly, many of them are extremely cynical and jaded. The characters aren't particularly likable or relatable (unlike in past decades), but they ruthlessly mock contemporary social mores and institutions.

    2 and a Half Men

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Jw4ZdZNPY

    Family Guy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDVNYo2Jw3A

    It's a nihilistic form of humor.

    The Simpsons sort of did something like this (at least back when it was funny during the 90s), but it was gentler. The Simpsons also emphasized that while society was ridiculous, the world was still basically an okay place. The transgressive shows of the current era seem to emphasize that our society is unsalvagable, so let's just have a final laugh as the ship sinks.

    Like for example, there was an episode of the Simpsons that poked fun at Michael Jackson. It was your typical Simpsons episode, but it had a saccharine ending.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPdNtybCjuQ

    If Family Guy had such an episode, it probably would've ended with the 2 siblings fighting to the bitter end, but another family member further screwing up the situation.

    Awww….

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  106. @Chase
    It’s worse than that: people legitimately do think Big Bang theory is funny. It’s incredible to me. But I’ve talked to people, or more accurately been around people talking about it - they really like it and find it humorous.

    There’s something deeply wrong with us that I’m not sure anyone has yet quite put their finger on. Lots get around the issue, including our proprietor here, but no one has gotten all the strings together in a total fashion. My guess is that we haven’t had true selective pressure in a sufficiently long time that drives all the insanity, but at this point I’d honestly entertain the argument that it’s evil spirits, or something along those lines.

    Either way, it has to be close to its zenith; if it isn’t, God has truly abandoned us.

    I actually like Young Sheldon better. Yes, the mother is a Bible thumper and the father is no Einstein, but they’re loving parents to all three of their children, and frequently quite wise about handling them. Sheldon’s precocity is an accepted fact, but it gets him neither persecuted nor spoiled.

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  107. @njguy73
    BBC viewers are a bunch of snotty-faced heaps of parrot droppings! They need to shut their festering gobs! Their type makes me want to puke! Stuck-up twits, slimy trollops, and vacuous perverts!

    Sitting on their spotty behinds, picking their loathesome blackheads….

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  108. @Faraday's Bobcat
    I've tried to get into Fawlty Towers, but IMO nothing in it can touch the Argument Clinic, or the Fish-Slapping Dance, or the malicious English-Hungarian dictionary, or the sheep airliner, or Philosophers' Soccer, or World Forum... Maybe it's because I encountered Python at age 13 but FT not until adulthood.

    The Python series contains some fairly crude stereotypes of Chinese, Africans and Scotsmen, but they reserved their most vicious skewerings for the English upper class. Punching up as it were.

    “Drop your panties Sir William, I cannot wait till lunchtime.”

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  109. @Steve Sailer
    Just you wait.

    Don’t give them ideas.

    The Beatles’ early work both covered and was influenced by R&B, but as others have noted, this has been redefined as cultural appropriation, not cultural appreciation.

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  110. Slayer says:

    I am waiting for Benny Hill to be brought back. Wrong on so many levels. “How we need to think about miscegenation….I mean misogyny. “

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  111. And then they came for the Knights Who Say “Ni!”, and the result was unsurprisingly inane.

    Re Big Bang Theory: there is a charming and accurate specificity in the writing of Sheldon’s East Texas origins, a part of the country little-known, even to most Texans. Perhaps precisely because it will fly past all but a few thousand viewers.

    I love the BBT. Not enough to tune in for the latest episode, or to know what night it’s on, but the reruns make a nice thing to cook dinner to. At least for somebody like me still getting TV out of thin air, where the alternative is Wheel of Fortune. Not that I mind W of F: I’m convinced the happy sounds are mood-lifting.

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  112. @Rosamond Vincy
    "Drop your panties Sir William, I cannot wait till lunchtime."

    “My nipples explode with delight.”

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    "You great poof."
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  113. Anonymous[170] • Disclaimer says:

    Cleese’s whole comic persona is a subversion of the traditional stereotype of the ‘stiff upper lip’ Englishman. However it’s only going to be funny to people who grew up with the original stereotype.

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  114. @Faraday's Bobcat
    I've tried to get into Fawlty Towers, but IMO nothing in it can touch the Argument Clinic, or the Fish-Slapping Dance, or the malicious English-Hungarian dictionary, or the sheep airliner, or Philosophers' Soccer, or World Forum... Maybe it's because I encountered Python at age 13 but FT not until adulthood.

    The Python series contains some fairly crude stereotypes of Chinese, Africans and Scotsmen, but they reserved their most vicious skewerings for the English upper class. Punching up as it were.

    I might add the interview for the mountain climbing expedition, playwright whose son is a coal miner, people dressing like mice, old ladies beating up defenseless young men, mobsters shaking down the Army, the show Blackmail, communists on a game show, nudge, nudge, wink, wink, and of course self defense class with fresh fruit.

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  115. @Unladen Swallow
    "My nipples explode with delight."

    “You great poof.”

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  116. Old fogey says:
    @candid_observer
    OT,

    http://larryferlazzo.edublogs.org/2018/06/21/after-spending-575-million-on-teacher-evaluation-gates-foundation-says-oops/

    So why does anybody listen to the Gates, either Bill or Melinda?

    The crude, incurious, philistine Trump thinks more true thoughts in a minute than Bill or Melinda do in a decade.

    Intellectual but Idiot.

    I am surprised and pleased to see that Gates actually included evaluation components in the study and then actually published the results of the evaluation.

    I can’t think of any other private-foundation supported large scale study on any important topic that actually reported that their effort did not work. This one, too, is important because it is another nail in the coffin of those who think that tweaks in the current educational system can eliminate innate differences between human beings. Perhaps that was what they expected to find, but drew it up and publicized it as if they expected to find out something different. Curious.

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  117. @Almost Missouri
    There is plenty in Python for Americans to latch onto, but something that is less apparent to us colonials, but does resonate back in mother England, is that a lot of Monty Python is finely graded class-sneering, or as the kids say now, microaggressions, or as we call it, status signalling.

    As Oxbridge graduates of the merit era, the Python crew were upper middle class strivers who happened to have their professional field in comedy. Some of their product was overt mockery of the the English social classes above them ("upper class twits"), below them ("Gumbys"), before them in time (the stiff-upper-lip war generation) or slightly different from them in geography ("man turns into Scotsman"), or at variance with their boomer political orthodoxies. But even when their mockery isn't overt, they have constant tiny references to subtle British class markers and prejudices. In one of the clips on this thread, Palin explains that the name "Brian", as in Life of Brian, connotes a certain well-meaning but kinda clueless lower-middle class-ness, for example.

    As a youth, I immensely enjoyed their work--even when I didn't understand the cultural context, and it probably formed me in ways I am unconscious of now. On the other hand, the irony of their complaining about the cultural collapse they helped to engineer is a bit rich. In their last production, Spamalot, they have essentially become what they used to make fun of: un-self-aware duffers sitting prettily atop the socio-cultural heap. Originally posing as mavericks, they have become the new Establishment. Unfortunately, the New Establishment hasn't actually accomplished anything except monopolizing leftover riches while sneering at everyone else's decay.

    FWIW, I still find them funny, when they are not trying too hard to be didactic. They had real talent, and when they weren't taking themselves too seriously, could be very witty [yes, I know, insert Oscar Wilde sketch here]. Much of what they lampooned had acquired a thick layer of puffery and pomposity and was due for a purging parody, so Python can't really be faulted living in a time with perhaps more than its share of accumulated conceit. They also inadvertently left some time bombs to the future SJW agenda: Stan, the wannabe transgender in Life of Brian comes to mind.

    Well said.

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  118. Brutusale says:
    @James Braxton
    Steve,

    What do you think of Silicon Valley?

    Silicon Valley is funnier and more in touch with reality. The hot woman is NOT a techie and they revel in tweaking the stereotypes, like how the Pakistani is legal but the Canadian is illegal.

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    SV is slightly funnier and a little more watchable, but even the "funny" parts are only mildly humorous. SV is less cringe worthy in its attempts at humor, so at least it has that going for it.

    Here are the "funniest" scenes in the show. It's like a lower quality version of The Office.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt6PPiTTwbE

    There's an especially shocking scene at 4:15 (NSFW)

    That above scene is one of the few that's even remotely funny, but it's mostly funny in what it says about our society....... Like I said in an earlier post, nihilistic humor is the only thing that's funny on tv these days........

    Modern day TV sitcoms offer an enormous helping of social awkwardness with some nihilism sprinkled on top. It's simply amazing if you compare what's on TV today to what we had back in the early 90s. Heck, even if you look at the changes in the last 15 years, it's really something to behold.

    Given that entertainment often offers a glimpse into the culture, our bizarre TV programs indicate that something very strange has happened to American culture in recent years. It's weird.

    Sitcoms that showcase normal, well-adjusted characters are on the decline. These days, it seems like the modal sitcom character is either "Sheldon" or "Juno."

    Trailer for "Juno." It's a movie, but it represents everything wrong with entertainment these days.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0SKf0K3bxg
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  119. @Steve Sailer
    Actresses tend to be better looking than the characters they portray.

    Also, Betty and Veronica look less like high school girls than like supermodels flying first class between JFK and Milan. And even if they were high school girls, they wouldn't be caught dead with Archie and Jughead.

    And don’t forget about The Munsters and The Addams Family, and the difference between the young women and the rest of their families.

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    The Munsters (which was very funny and self-aware show) had a running joke about Marilyn's appearance.
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  120. Forbes says:
    @t
    Yglesias discovers that Reagen liked cheep labor

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1010663097139331073

    The analogy with seasonal ag workers of 40 years ago seems slightly off-the-mark with today’s question regarding illegal immigration.

    Obviously I’m not smart enough to “get” it…

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  121. @Almost Missouri
    There is plenty in Python for Americans to latch onto, but something that is less apparent to us colonials, but does resonate back in mother England, is that a lot of Monty Python is finely graded class-sneering, or as the kids say now, microaggressions, or as we call it, status signalling.

    As Oxbridge graduates of the merit era, the Python crew were upper middle class strivers who happened to have their professional field in comedy. Some of their product was overt mockery of the the English social classes above them ("upper class twits"), below them ("Gumbys"), before them in time (the stiff-upper-lip war generation) or slightly different from them in geography ("man turns into Scotsman"), or at variance with their boomer political orthodoxies. But even when their mockery isn't overt, they have constant tiny references to subtle British class markers and prejudices. In one of the clips on this thread, Palin explains that the name "Brian", as in Life of Brian, connotes a certain well-meaning but kinda clueless lower-middle class-ness, for example.

    As a youth, I immensely enjoyed their work--even when I didn't understand the cultural context, and it probably formed me in ways I am unconscious of now. On the other hand, the irony of their complaining about the cultural collapse they helped to engineer is a bit rich. In their last production, Spamalot, they have essentially become what they used to make fun of: un-self-aware duffers sitting prettily atop the socio-cultural heap. Originally posing as mavericks, they have become the new Establishment. Unfortunately, the New Establishment hasn't actually accomplished anything except monopolizing leftover riches while sneering at everyone else's decay.

    FWIW, I still find them funny, when they are not trying too hard to be didactic. They had real talent, and when they weren't taking themselves too seriously, could be very witty [yes, I know, insert Oscar Wilde sketch here]. Much of what they lampooned had acquired a thick layer of puffery and pomposity and was due for a purging parody, so Python can't really be faulted living in a time with perhaps more than its share of accumulated conceit. They also inadvertently left some time bombs to the future SJW agenda: Stan, the wannabe transgender in Life of Brian comes to mind.

    Thanks, that was by far the best answer I got to my question. Maybe I just didn’t make myself clear, but I wasn’t asking for the etymology of “Oxbridge” or a list of which colleges the cast of Monty Python attended.

    I’ve always loved Monty Python, even if I’ve missed half their oxtabridgian allusions.

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  122. @Steve Sailer
    Big Bang Theory is a big improvement on Chuck Lorre's previous hit Two and a Half Men.

    No way.

    Which of the BBT characters is as funny as Charlie Sheen?

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  123. fish says:
    @megabar
    Yeah, I think Big Bang is funny. I get why some don't like it, but I do.

    Yeah, I think Big Bang is funny. I get why some don’t like it, but I do.

    Was funny! Anything after season 5 just blows!

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  124. @Brutusale
    Silicon Valley is funnier and more in touch with reality. The hot woman is NOT a techie and they revel in tweaking the stereotypes, like how the Pakistani is legal but the Canadian is illegal.

    SV is slightly funnier and a little more watchable, but even the “funny” parts are only mildly humorous. SV is less cringe worthy in its attempts at humor, so at least it has that going for it.

    Here are the “funniest” scenes in the show. It’s like a lower quality version of The Office.

    There’s an especially shocking scene at 4:15 (NSFW)

    That above scene is one of the few that’s even remotely funny, but it’s mostly funny in what it says about our society……. Like I said in an earlier post, nihilistic humor is the only thing that’s funny on tv these days……..

    Modern day TV sitcoms offer an enormous helping of social awkwardness with some nihilism sprinkled on top. It’s simply amazing if you compare what’s on TV today to what we had back in the early 90s. Heck, even if you look at the changes in the last 15 years, it’s really something to behold.

    Given that entertainment often offers a glimpse into the culture, our bizarre TV programs indicate that something very strange has happened to American culture in recent years. It’s weird.

    Sitcoms that showcase normal, well-adjusted characters are on the decline. These days, it seems like the modal sitcom character is either “Sheldon” or “Juno.”

    Trailer for “Juno.” It’s a movie, but it represents everything wrong with entertainment these days.

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  125. @ben tillman
    And don't forget about The Munsters and The Addams Family, and the difference between the young women and the rest of their families.

    The Munsters (which was very funny and self-aware show) had a running joke about Marilyn’s appearance.

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  126. @Kylie
    I love Joe Pesci.

    I agree. Joe Pesci has acting genius.

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    My god, yes. There is nothing Joe Pesci can't do. He excells in drama, comedy and romance. He is absolutely riveting onscreen. In interviews, he is refreshingly low-key, funny and effortlessly compelling.
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  127. @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    We’ll see. If the United States continues to swing rightward, expect Canada, at least, to follow suit (kicking and screaming, admittedly, but still).

    Well I meant to say that in the long-term, I don’t expect the US to diverge from the rest of Anglosphere. If the US is eventually saved by the rightward anti-globalist shift, this will reverberate in the rest of the Anglosphere at some point.

    A lot of the negative trends we’ve seen in America in recent years seem to have gone viral in the Anglosphere and many other Continental Euro nations.

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  128. @Svigor
    The loop of Uncle Phil cramming the slice got a half-smile.

    The Chocolate scene was the only one to get a laugh out of me; soon as they started piling it up and eating it. I howled when Lucy said "here she comes" and they immediately started piling it into their hats and blouses.

    The rest of it wasn't funny at all, though Archie's "oh a mixed marriage" quip was mildly amusing.

    It’s funnier than anything you’ll see on BBT or SV.

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  129. @Chase
    It’s worse than that: people legitimately do think Big Bang theory is funny. It’s incredible to me. But I’ve talked to people, or more accurately been around people talking about it - they really like it and find it humorous.

    There’s something deeply wrong with us that I’m not sure anyone has yet quite put their finger on. Lots get around the issue, including our proprietor here, but no one has gotten all the strings together in a total fashion. My guess is that we haven’t had true selective pressure in a sufficiently long time that drives all the insanity, but at this point I’d honestly entertain the argument that it’s evil spirits, or something along those lines.

    Either way, it has to be close to its zenith; if it isn’t, God has truly abandoned us.

    I think people are so conditioned by broadcast media these days that they’ll exercise sheep-like obediance to whatever they see on the screen. So if BBT is constantly hyped in commercials, people watch. If BBT puts on a laugh track during an unfunny joke, people laugh.

    Something similar seems to have happened to music. No-talent acts like “Justin Bieber” become famous and popular just because their music is over marketed.

    Control of the media (TV, radio, movies, Instagram, etc.) gives one a lot of power. Power to decide what’s “funny.” Power to decide what music “sounds good.” Power to shape the culture……….

    The most notable power of all is the power to shape what people think, believe, and speak. That’s the sort of power that really allows you to run the world…….

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  130. Chrisi313 says:
    @istevefan
    Shane's job pays well. He makes 208K pounds per year.

    These overpaid establishment sorts always have a reason why talented people must be kept down.

    These young people can not be allowed to compete against me – they are (flips thorough cards) “overeducated”.

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  131. Kylie says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    I agree. Joe Pesci has acting genius.

    My god, yes. There is nothing Joe Pesci can’t do. He excells in drama, comedy and romance. He is absolutely riveting onscreen. In interviews, he is refreshingly low-key, funny and effortlessly compelling.

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    "....your [stamp stamp] biological clock..."
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  132. OT Related: If you need any proof of the monolithic nature of the American entertainment industry, look no further than the Roseanne Barr fiasco. Stories keep popping up about how a new show without her is coming, and how she feels remorse, etc.

    But no one, no network, not even the smallest, is attempting to produce and replace her show, with her, true to the original — even though there is a massive audience out there.

    Think: You know it is obvious that there is lots of money to be made if only someone will pick up Roseanne Barr and make a deplorables show. The marketing has already been done! It would be easy to present it. But no, no one is doing that. Why? Because the ENTIRE entertainment industry is part the Monolithic Mainstream Media, owned and controlled by the same people and interests.

    Think now of Fox News cable channel. You feel like it is on your side politically. Well is it really? No, it is another money-making enterprise run the same people. It avoids the same third rails. The only star who comes close to subjects that others avoid is Tucker Carlson, God bless him.

    If there was any independence or “diversity” at all in American media, someone would be picking up Roseanne Barr and making a fortune on her audience. It’s not happening. Just ask yourself why.

    American media and its audience:

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    Roseanne Barr made an impolitic comment about someone--using initials, not even naming the target--no worse than what is regularly dished out on a weekly basis in the media about Trump and his family.

    I don't care either way about RB. She's always been a loose canon, and I never watched her original show. But a truly independent entertainment media community wouldn't so obviously take sides in the bomb-throwing exercises it so clearly cherishes.
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  133. Forbes says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Personally, I think most modern comedies are generally not that funny. The characters are unrelatable and strangely socially awkward. Their intonation is especially painful to listen to. Most of their "jokes" have laugh tracks to make them funny, but I have a hard time believing people are laughing in real life.

    The worst is "Big Bang Theory." I can't think of a comedy that's so difficult to watch.

    Here's a sample below. Remember, these are the "funniest moments" from the show.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5tFMfi47aE

    The only thing "funny" about the above video is just how bad it is. In particular, the voice of "Sheldon" just makes me cringe. I don't get why anybody considers him funny.

    Compare that to Family Matters, Save by the Bell, or Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Kenan&Kel, or the old Simpsons. 90s era shows were just so much funnier.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiJumtvcvgk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5gsu8gxVJ8

    Of course, the older shows were even better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NPzLBSBzPI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZYPSyfsulg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIHDeNmNlOo

    You couldn't make a show like All in the Family now.

    TBBT must be targeted at gay diversity because the Sheldon character, and his voice, is as queer as a three dollar bill. I don’t know that it’s so difficult to watch as it is annoying to listen to.

    There must be something in the water or the air that causes people (mostly guys) to act, play act, or dress up like geeks. I my youth, those were the ones who were made fun of (not bullied) because they dressed funny and were socially awkward. The truly smart students were pretty smooth and self-assured.

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  134. Forbes says:
    @Jefferson
    Whenever I get Arab Uber drivers they ALWAYS have an extremely pissed off look on their faces. Arabs are not a very happy people.

    Arabs may share the Mediterranean sea with Southern Europeans and sometimes even share similar phenotype traits with Southern Europeans, but personality wise Arabs and Southern Europeans are complete opposites from each other.

    The stereotype of the colorful happy go lucky Italian for example definitely does not apply to Arabs.

    Growing up, my family hosted two exchange students–one from Egypt, and one from Italy (with whom I’m still good friends). I’d have to mostly agree with you.

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  135. Kylie says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    I can just see the hashtag now: "#BeatlesSoWhite"

    “#WhiteAlbumTooWhite”

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  136. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Gilliam's "Brazil," with its script by Stoppard, is basically Orwell's "1984" if "1984" had been written by Waugh.

    “Love Among the Ruins” was a better prediction than “1984″, though neither of them really were.

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  137. Forbes says:
    @jim jones
    I am surprised that no one has picked on the Beatles, those cultural juggernauts, for being all White.

    Ugh. Don’t give ‘em any ideas. I hear enough of the awful hip-hop/rap genre to sink a battle ship.

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  138. Forbes says:
    @Olorin
    I'm confused. BBC is signaling that we're now supposed to laugh at the disabled and tetched?

    Or does the humor lie in our PC superiors' observing the discomfort they cause as they keep moving the goalposts for what J. Random Deplorable may or may not react to, and how, when, and whether?

    That seems like reasonable observation. The SJW/PC police keep moving the goal posts. It’s almost impossible to distinguish fiction or satire from reality.

    We can make fun of the disabled now?? I can call someone a retard without a ton of bricks raining down on me?

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  139. “Controller of Comedy”? That invites a Monty Python lampoon right up there with the Dept. of Silly Walks. British comedy that made it to the states in the ’70′s as summer replacements were “Doctor in the House” and Dave Allen, absolute hoots. Now BBC has a “Controller of Comedy”? What a moronic enterprise.

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  140. Sunbeam says:

    Watching all these Monty Python clips, kind of struck by the fact I don’t think it’s funny anymore.

    Life of Brian was never one I cared for, but I watched the Holy Grail (didn’t there used to be two hour or so releases of material from their BBC show released in theatres?), “None Shall Pass, Bleed on me, etc.”

    But I don’t think it’s funny anymore. Actually I’m kind of bored by it now.

    And as many have noted, “WTF is up with with a newscaster or headmaster wearing a TuTu concealed by a desk?” That wasn’t funny in the 70′s (to an American). Now it looks utterly stupid.

    Never been able to understand how that was funny even to the English.

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    Was thinking about this thread/these comments out on field yesterday, particularly Faraday's Bobcat's observation above about finding MP&tHG hilarious as a teen, not discovering Fawlty Towers till adulthood, and not finding it funny at all. Similar here.

    It strikes me that comedy per se is a genre for younger minds and spirits. Maturity points us toward a taste for satire and maybe tragicomedy (like King Lear and Oedipus Rex).

    Who was it who said, "Irreverence is easy; what's hard is wit"?

    This is another ghastly aspect of 24/7 saturation of GloboUberInfoTainment LLC: it doesn't recognize developmental phases except as "demographic slices" for marketing purposes.

    Suspended maturity/perpetual adolescence has been the major product of GloboUberInfoTainment LLC since the 1960s.

    This is how we end up with females in their 30s to 50s holding up Harry Potter signs at "political" "protests." And BBC "comedy controllers."

    The kids in my high school who liked Monty Python were the bright, more "square" ones. Not nerds, not unpopular...and all mature for their age. When I watch MP routines today and laugh, it is often a younger part of me laughing.

    When I laugh through a tight throat at Lear, it's my auld phart self. I mean, has there ever been a funner bit of dramatic dialogue than


    We have this hour a constant will to publish
    Our daughters' several dowers, that future strife
    May be prevented now.

     
    Maybe Oedipus goading Teiresias into prophesying against his will.

    The closest MP ever got to that IMO was the King Arthur's encounter with the Anarchosyndicalist Peasant. "Dennis! There's some lovely filth over here!" still cracks me up, though in an entirely different way than when I was 14. But the Fish-Slapping Dance still hits me in exactly the same place, and I find "military precision swanning about" even funnier now than I did then.

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  141. Forbes says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    OT Related: If you need any proof of the monolithic nature of the American entertainment industry, look no further than the Roseanne Barr fiasco. Stories keep popping up about how a new show without her is coming, and how she feels remorse, etc.

    But no one, no network, not even the smallest, is attempting to produce and replace her show, with her, true to the original -- even though there is a massive audience out there.

    Think: You know it is obvious that there is lots of money to be made if only someone will pick up Roseanne Barr and make a deplorables show. The marketing has already been done! It would be easy to present it. But no, no one is doing that. Why? Because the ENTIRE entertainment industry is part the Monolithic Mainstream Media, owned and controlled by the same people and interests.

    Think now of Fox News cable channel. You feel like it is on your side politically. Well is it really? No, it is another money-making enterprise run the same people. It avoids the same third rails. The only star who comes close to subjects that others avoid is Tucker Carlson, God bless him.

    If there was any independence or "diversity" at all in American media, someone would be picking up Roseanne Barr and making a fortune on her audience. It's not happening. Just ask yourself why.

    American media and its audience:

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MoEmrKPjGW0/Vi_QuvttIaI/AAAAAAAAKMI/LNe5aJ-ZkYE/s1600/2001-monolith-monkeys.gif

    Roseanne Barr made an impolitic comment about someone–using initials, not even naming the target–no worse than what is regularly dished out on a weekly basis in the media about Trump and his family.

    I don’t care either way about RB. She’s always been a loose canon, and I never watched her original show. But a truly independent entertainment media community wouldn’t so obviously take sides in the bomb-throwing exercises it so clearly cherishes.

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  142. @Marcus D.
    Yeah, The Beatles are also famous as covers of this Motown classic:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=425GpjTSlS4

    By the way, I think music is the biggest black contribution to the world. The life becomes more colorful with music. It's no exaggeration to say that Black contribution to music is analogous of Jewish contribution to physics. From Jazz or Rock in USA to Tango or Samba in Latin America, in all places that have black people, their influence on music is strong.

    …I think music is the biggest black contribution to the world.

    That, and wide receiver, definitely.

    Mr. Postman was a minor song for the Beatles, done probably to fill an album.

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  143. @Almost Missouri
    There is plenty in Python for Americans to latch onto, but something that is less apparent to us colonials, but does resonate back in mother England, is that a lot of Monty Python is finely graded class-sneering, or as the kids say now, microaggressions, or as we call it, status signalling.

    As Oxbridge graduates of the merit era, the Python crew were upper middle class strivers who happened to have their professional field in comedy. Some of their product was overt mockery of the the English social classes above them ("upper class twits"), below them ("Gumbys"), before them in time (the stiff-upper-lip war generation) or slightly different from them in geography ("man turns into Scotsman"), or at variance with their boomer political orthodoxies. But even when their mockery isn't overt, they have constant tiny references to subtle British class markers and prejudices. In one of the clips on this thread, Palin explains that the name "Brian", as in Life of Brian, connotes a certain well-meaning but kinda clueless lower-middle class-ness, for example.

    As a youth, I immensely enjoyed their work--even when I didn't understand the cultural context, and it probably formed me in ways I am unconscious of now. On the other hand, the irony of their complaining about the cultural collapse they helped to engineer is a bit rich. In their last production, Spamalot, they have essentially become what they used to make fun of: un-self-aware duffers sitting prettily atop the socio-cultural heap. Originally posing as mavericks, they have become the new Establishment. Unfortunately, the New Establishment hasn't actually accomplished anything except monopolizing leftover riches while sneering at everyone else's decay.

    FWIW, I still find them funny, when they are not trying too hard to be didactic. They had real talent, and when they weren't taking themselves too seriously, could be very witty [yes, I know, insert Oscar Wilde sketch here]. Much of what they lampooned had acquired a thick layer of puffery and pomposity and was due for a purging parody, so Python can't really be faulted living in a time with perhaps more than its share of accumulated conceit. They also inadvertently left some time bombs to the future SJW agenda: Stan, the wannabe transgender in Life of Brian comes to mind.

    Superb comment; I think you’ve nailed it.

    I find watching MP these days frustrating — as so many of us do, I have a condensed highlight reel of great MP moments I can run in my head, but when I go back to the sketches and actually watch them, many seem plodding and labored.

    Daughter C is almost 16, and is deeply into British history and literature. I’m thinking it’s about time for us to watch Grail.

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    I find watching MP these days frustrating — as so many of us do, I have a condensed highlight reel of great MP moments I can run in my head, but when I go back to the sketches and actually watch them, many seem plodding and labored.
     
    The big problem is the lack of discipline, the lack of structure. That's what got people excited at the time. Unfortunately comedy without discipline or structure tends to end up being comedy without laughs.
    , @J1234

    I find watching MP these days frustrating — as so many of us do, I have a condensed highlight reel of great MP moments I can run in my head, but when I go back to the sketches and actually watch them, many seem plodding and labored.
     
    Me too. A lot of cutting edge comedy doesn't seem to translate well a generation or two later, but I would've thought that Monty Python would've aged better.

    They were gifted, though. I recall that (several years ago) Eric Idle appeared on NPR's Whad'ya Know? with Madison, Wisconsin's self-aggrandizing comic, Michael Feldman (who essentially sees himself as the modern day Groucho Marx.) Feldman thought he'd show his guest how clever he was, but Idle destroyed him and made him come across like a yokel.

    , @Almost Missouri

    "time for us to watch Grail."
     
    I don't remember how old I was when I saw Grail, but young enough to be shocked by the effects. Once I got over that, I could laugh at parts, but still ... I felt afterwards that something was taken from me: a reverence for a legend, even though I didn't know what that legend was about.

    Well anyway, I guess 16 is old enough.

    Different times.

    Never mind.

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  144. Miro23 says:

    From the UK in the 1960′s and 1970′s comedy shows like Dad’s Army, Steptoe, Porridge and later Mr Bean & Fawlty Towers were genuinely popular.

    Not having been in the UK since then, I’m genuinely interested to know if there are newer comedy series that have the same broad appeal and what they are.

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  145. dfordoom says: • Website
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    Superb comment; I think you've nailed it.

    I find watching MP these days frustrating -- as so many of us do, I have a condensed highlight reel of great MP moments I can run in my head, but when I go back to the sketches and actually watch them, many seem plodding and labored.

    Daughter C is almost 16, and is deeply into British history and literature. I'm thinking it's about time for us to watch Grail.

    I find watching MP these days frustrating — as so many of us do, I have a condensed highlight reel of great MP moments I can run in my head, but when I go back to the sketches and actually watch them, many seem plodding and labored.

    The big problem is the lack of discipline, the lack of structure. That’s what got people excited at the time. Unfortunately comedy without discipline or structure tends to end up being comedy without laughs.

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  146. J1234 says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    Superb comment; I think you've nailed it.

    I find watching MP these days frustrating -- as so many of us do, I have a condensed highlight reel of great MP moments I can run in my head, but when I go back to the sketches and actually watch them, many seem plodding and labored.

    Daughter C is almost 16, and is deeply into British history and literature. I'm thinking it's about time for us to watch Grail.

    I find watching MP these days frustrating — as so many of us do, I have a condensed highlight reel of great MP moments I can run in my head, but when I go back to the sketches and actually watch them, many seem plodding and labored.

    Me too. A lot of cutting edge comedy doesn’t seem to translate well a generation or two later, but I would’ve thought that Monty Python would’ve aged better.

    They were gifted, though. I recall that (several years ago) Eric Idle appeared on NPR’s Whad’ya Know? with Madison, Wisconsin’s self-aggrandizing comic, Michael Feldman (who essentially sees himself as the modern day Groucho Marx.) Feldman thought he’d show his guest how clever he was, but Idle destroyed him and made him come across like a yokel.

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  147. Whiskey says: • Website

    Monty Python was brilliant, but not for everyone. Its main source of humor was the ridiculous and surreal segues, such as the Chamber of Commerce commercial for North Malden that turns into … Njorl’s Saga (about North Malden office parks). Or, the cafe that serves only Spam (with singing Vikings for no reason at all). Or the extended skit blending animation and acting where the Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things … is surrounded by film. Or the Minister of the Wood Party falling down the hole, with breathless TV coverage. The Ministry of Silly Walks, The Tudor Job Agency (“Well, well, Spanish Smut. Toledo Tit Parade?”) and Ken Clean Air System.

    Again, most of the humor was based on surreal juxtaposition of ordinary things with bizarre ones, with tie ins at the end being the call-back of the joke. This is why they were so funny, but not for everyone. They were and are original, only a few times has Seinfeld ever matched them for inventiveness (the Backwards Episode) and bizarre transitions required a broad education and knowledge (Summarize Proust) just missing from most comedians and writers today.

    The most ironic thing of course is that all surviving members turned into the parodies of stuffy British Establishment people they made fun of when they were twenty somethings.

    For regular sitcoms however none has ever matched WKRP in Cincinnati (“I swear as God as my witness, I thought Turkeys could fly.”) Followed by Barney Miller, Taxi, Married with Children, Bob Newhart, in no particular order.

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  148. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Superb comment; I think you've nailed it.

    I find watching MP these days frustrating -- as so many of us do, I have a condensed highlight reel of great MP moments I can run in my head, but when I go back to the sketches and actually watch them, many seem plodding and labored.

    Daughter C is almost 16, and is deeply into British history and literature. I'm thinking it's about time for us to watch Grail.

    “time for us to watch Grail.”

    I don’t remember how old I was when I saw Grail, but young enough to be shocked by the effects. Once I got over that, I could laugh at parts, but still … I felt afterwards that something was taken from me: a reverence for a legend, even though I didn’t know what that legend was about.

    Well anyway, I guess 16 is old enough.

    Different times.

    Never mind.

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    Thanks so much for your reply, AM; I find it very thought-provoking.
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  149. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Marcus D.
    Yeah, The Beatles are also famous as covers of this Motown classic:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=425GpjTSlS4

    By the way, I think music is the biggest black contribution to the world. The life becomes more colorful with music. It's no exaggeration to say that Black contribution to music is analogous of Jewish contribution to physics. From Jazz or Rock in USA to Tango or Samba in Latin America, in all places that have black people, their influence on music is strong.

    Jazz is black music, largely, but on white instruments and with a lot of white and Jewish influence. There was a lot of interaction between white and black jazz men and you never saw blacks do something absolutely original without there being some white stimulation or precedent. Black big band jazz, black hard bop, black cool jazz were all a response or a extension of white trailblazers.

    That isn’t to say that it was not common for the best and most prominent, most advanced practitioner of any style to be a black artist. Often it was, but not by any means always or usually.

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    What you are saying is like to say that Europeans aren't so remarkable at maths, because the modern numbers ( like the instruments in music) were discovered by the Indians. Or that Jews don't contributed strongly in physics in the last 100 years, because all the fundamental physics was discovered by Europeans.
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  150. @Almost Missouri

    "time for us to watch Grail."
     
    I don't remember how old I was when I saw Grail, but young enough to be shocked by the effects. Once I got over that, I could laugh at parts, but still ... I felt afterwards that something was taken from me: a reverence for a legend, even though I didn't know what that legend was about.

    Well anyway, I guess 16 is old enough.

    Different times.

    Never mind.

    Thanks so much for your reply, AM; I find it very thought-provoking.

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    I have no real reason to suspect your comment is sarcastic, but for a second or two I did kind of read it as such. One peril of the sarcasm endemic to so much of our world today is that its commonness makes it harder to be taken seriously when you make an earnest, concise compliment like you just did. This sarcasm is especially beloved by our cynical and passive-aggressive host here, to whom sarcasm comes as naturally as breathing.
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  151. I was 12 when I saw it, in the USA of all places. I practically had a heart attack due to laughing at some points (I was familiar with Monty Python the TV show).
    I must say that Unz comments and sometimes columns also tickle my funny bone – like Wally obviously hating Jews while obsessively campaigning against the idea that anyone in history killed them.

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  152. AndrewR says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    Thanks so much for your reply, AM; I find it very thought-provoking.

    I have no real reason to suspect your comment is sarcastic, but for a second or two I did kind of read it as such. One peril of the sarcasm endemic to so much of our world today is that its commonness makes it harder to be taken seriously when you make an earnest, concise compliment like you just did. This sarcasm is especially beloved by our cynical and passive-aggressive host here, to whom sarcasm comes as naturally as breathing.

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    That's a good observation, Andrew (and I mean that sincerely). I did intend the compliment to AM to be taken entirely without irony.

    These days I often have the same problem in F2F situations, i.e. people assume I'm joking. I think you're right that this is a sign of the times, but I suspect it's also because my beliefs and preferences are so far removed from what's au courant that some people can't quite accept that I've said what I've just said -- if you know what I mean.

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  153. @Steve Sailer
    Just you wait.

    They should go after Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones for appropriating a black singing voice and turning it into something comical. What’s funny about it is that he must have seriously thought in the beginning that he was singing like a black man, when in fact it comes across as faggy British parody.

    Unless that was his point all along…

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    Check out his version of "My Girl" on the Flowers LP. Just pitiable.
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  154. @JohnnyWalker123
    Personally, I think most modern comedies are generally not that funny. The characters are unrelatable and strangely socially awkward. Their intonation is especially painful to listen to. Most of their "jokes" have laugh tracks to make them funny, but I have a hard time believing people are laughing in real life.

    The worst is "Big Bang Theory." I can't think of a comedy that's so difficult to watch.

    Here's a sample below. Remember, these are the "funniest moments" from the show.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5tFMfi47aE

    The only thing "funny" about the above video is just how bad it is. In particular, the voice of "Sheldon" just makes me cringe. I don't get why anybody considers him funny.

    Compare that to Family Matters, Save by the Bell, or Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Kenan&Kel, or the old Simpsons. 90s era shows were just so much funnier.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiJumtvcvgk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5gsu8gxVJ8

    Of course, the older shows were even better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NPzLBSBzPI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZYPSyfsulg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIHDeNmNlOo

    You couldn't make a show like All in the Family now.

    If you go back far enough, to the beginning, you will find the funniest TV shows of all: John Logie Baird’s 30-line broadcasts from his mechanical system:

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  155. Kevin says:
    @Jefferson
    The Big Bang Theory has to be the least vibrantly diverse show on television today.

    Their only Nonwhite cast member is Indian not African American, so not a single regular cast member is African American on The Big Bang Theory. I'm sure this triggers a lot of Social Justice Warrior Snowflakes safe spaces when they are flipping the channel and come across that show.

    Before The Big Bang Theory when was the last time a popular 21st Century American show did not have a single regular cast member who is African American? The Sopranos?

    It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia is one that comes to mind. Not the biggest show around but definitely a huge cult hit in the past decade or so, and still going.

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  156. @Matra
    I liked Monty Python movies when I was a teenager in Canada (late 80s), though I certainly didn't love them the way most supposedly cool North American teenagers did at the time. When I went back to the UK in my mid-20s and saw episodes of the Monty Python TV show I was absolutely stunned by just how awful they were. Maybe the movies were a lot better than the TV show? My suspicion is that MP really only appeals to teenagers who think they are edgy.

    For those who are interested there is a grumpy right-wing Englishman with a Twitter account called Mr. Alf Garnett (the original Archie Bunker) who regularly shows old British comedy clips...and gripes about today's PC comedy. (The first one right now is a sitcom from 1974 in which a typical working class Englishmen gives his one word descriptions - all negative - of Koreans and "all Orientals", Russians, Egyptians, Italians, French, Germans, Danes, and Americans).

    Comedy on British TV today is embarrassingly bad because of PC with the female quota stand-up comedians being not only bad but utterly disgusting in subject matter.

    I liked Monty Python movies when I was a teenager in Canada (late 80s), though I certainly didn’t love them the way most supposedly cool North American teenagers did at the time. When I went back to the UK in my mid-20s and saw episodes of the Monty Python TV show I was absolutely stunned by just how awful they were. Maybe the movies were a lot better than the TV show? My suspicion is that MP really only appeals to teenagers who think they are edgy.

    The silliness of the whole thing (which I had always assumed one could chalk up to excessive chemical “inspiration” on the part of the performers and audience alike when Monty Python was at the height of its popularity) never appealed to me.

    However I found the Palin and Jones project Ripping Yarns quite amusing. It was a send-up of British culture but perhaps more loving and less biting than a lot of the Monty Python stuff.

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  157. Ganderson says:
    @Kylie
    Until now, I had no idea what "The Big Bang Theory" was actually about since I had it mixed up with "Third Rock from the Sun". The first part of that clip was horribly unfunny. I couldn't bring myself to watch the whole thing.

    I thought "Monty Python" had several good sketches but I was never a big fan. It was too self-aware and attracted the kinds of guys who liked to pore over album covers looking for hidden messages and analyze the lyrics of Jethro Tull albums.

    I like "Benny Hill" and "Fawlty Towers" much better. I also like that show with Vicky Lawrence. She's hilarious. My favorite comedy is "Archer". I have a huge crush on him. Whenever I think how unseemly that is, I console myself by remembering that Charles Crumb had a huge crush on Bobby Driscoll, surely one of the least attractive child actors in history. The only time I ever fell on the floor laughing was while watching "Naked Gun".

    My favorite ’70s English comedy was “The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin.” Sort of “the Office” before the “the Office” was cool.

    “I didn’t get where I am today without loving The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin.”

    “Twenty minutes late, black ice at Norbiton”

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  158. Altai says:
    @t
    Yglesias discovers that Reagen liked cheep labor

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1010663097139331073

    Yglesias is amazing. He really is as dim as every single photograph of his attests. Like Coates he constantly has a habit of forgetting to mention that his first noticing something he should be embarrassed not to understand is something which totally undermines his authority, which, as a political commentator is sort of literacy itself, his most important asset.

    Yes, Reagan was a typical union-hating begrudger. Yes the Republican party (At least pre-Trump) is the natural home of people for people who like importing cheap labour to displace the native lower classes and actively enjoy the pain it brings those people.

    But that doesn’t make Reagan the RINO, Trump is the RINO, Reagan was the man who defined the Republican party as it’s been understood for nearly 2 generations.

    Trump was able to get life-long Democrats to flip supposedly unflippable states for him because in 2018 people like you assume it’s natural and normal to read Reagan’s speech and assume it was written by a Democrat-voting luminary working for the NYT.

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  159. Brutusale says:
    @Almost Missouri
    IMHO the theory is really pretty hilarious in a nihilist-existentialist sort of way, while the TV show, from what I've seen, has a few funny moments.

    From what I've heard, the TV show also made the female lead, whatever her name is, the highest paid woman in television, so there's something for the anti-incel brigade to suck on.

    The highest paid person on television is a woman, but you’ve got the wrong one.

    http://ew.com/article/2016/10/04/highest-paid-tv-stars/

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    Ummm ... that list shows Kaley Cuoco, the female lead of BBT, as the top female earner: $1m/episode.
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  160. anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP
    Two and a half men.

    That must be why they added a black neighbor for a couple of episodes. They rang all the changes: famous (some kinda athaleet, I guess), huge, simmering threat that makes everyone walk on eggshells around him and suck up to him, lots of “big stick” jokes, etc. Shameful.

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  161. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @njguy73
    BBC viewers are a bunch of snotty-faced heaps of parrot droppings! They need to shut their festering gobs! Their type makes me want to puke! Stuck-up twits, slimy trollops, and vacuous perverts!

    You forgot ‘malodorous.’

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    You forgot ‘malodorous.’
     
    Oh, you're absolutely right. How careless of me. Thank you for saying so. You're too kind.
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  162. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    They should go after Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones for appropriating a black singing voice and turning it into something comical. What's funny about it is that he must have seriously thought in the beginning that he was singing like a black man, when in fact it comes across as faggy British parody.

    Unless that was his point all along...

    Check out his version of “My Girl” on the Flowers LP. Just pitiable.

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  163. @Brutusale
    The highest paid person on television is a woman, but you've got the wrong one.

    http://ew.com/article/2016/10/04/highest-paid-tv-stars/

    Ummm … that list shows Kaley Cuoco, the female lead of BBT, as the top female earner: $1m/episode.

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  164. Ragno says:
    @Anonymous Bosch
    Can't say I'm surprised. Nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition, but its contemporary PC counterpart is rather predictable.

    Can’t threaten a man with the Comfy Chair when he’s already sitting on one

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  165. Olorin says:
    @Sunbeam
    Watching all these Monty Python clips, kind of struck by the fact I don't think it's funny anymore.

    Life of Brian was never one I cared for, but I watched the Holy Grail (didn't there used to be two hour or so releases of material from their BBC show released in theatres?), "None Shall Pass, Bleed on me, etc."

    But I don't think it's funny anymore. Actually I'm kind of bored by it now.

    And as many have noted, "WTF is up with with a newscaster or headmaster wearing a TuTu concealed by a desk?" That wasn't funny in the 70's (to an American). Now it looks utterly stupid.

    Never been able to understand how that was funny even to the English.

    Was thinking about this thread/these comments out on field yesterday, particularly Faraday’s Bobcat’s observation above about finding MP&tHG hilarious as a teen, not discovering Fawlty Towers till adulthood, and not finding it funny at all. Similar here.

    It strikes me that comedy per se is a genre for younger minds and spirits. Maturity points us toward a taste for satire and maybe tragicomedy (like King Lear and Oedipus Rex).

    Who was it who said, “Irreverence is easy; what’s hard is wit”?

    This is another ghastly aspect of 24/7 saturation of GloboUberInfoTainment LLC: it doesn’t recognize developmental phases except as “demographic slices” for marketing purposes.

    Suspended maturity/perpetual adolescence has been the major product of GloboUberInfoTainment LLC since the 1960s.

    This is how we end up with females in their 30s to 50s holding up Harry Potter signs at “political” “protests.” And BBC “comedy controllers.”

    The kids in my high school who liked Monty Python were the bright, more “square” ones. Not nerds, not unpopular…and all mature for their age. When I watch MP routines today and laugh, it is often a younger part of me laughing.

    When I laugh through a tight throat at Lear, it’s my auld phart self. I mean, has there ever been a funner bit of dramatic dialogue than

    We have this hour a constant will to publish
    Our daughters’ several dowers, that future strife
    May be prevented now.

    Maybe Oedipus goading Teiresias into prophesying against his will.

    The closest MP ever got to that IMO was the King Arthur’s encounter with the Anarchosyndicalist Peasant. “Dennis! There’s some lovely filth over here!” still cracks me up, though in an entirely different way than when I was 14. But the Fish-Slapping Dance still hits me in exactly the same place, and I find “military precision swanning about” even funnier now than I did then.

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    “Dennis! There’s some lovely filth over here!” still cracks me up, though in an entirely different way than when I was 14.

     

    Couldn't agree more.

    BTW: 'auld phart' is funny.

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  166. Dr. Doom says:

    Unfortunately, this new policy has made all the Parrot Jokes come from outside the BBC than from it.

    Are you pining for the Fnords are you? Enlightenment ain’t what it used to be…

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  167. MBlanc46 says:
    @Marcus D.
    Yeah, The Beatles are also famous as covers of this Motown classic:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=425GpjTSlS4

    By the way, I think music is the biggest black contribution to the world. The life becomes more colorful with music. It's no exaggeration to say that Black contribution to music is analogous of Jewish contribution to physics. From Jazz or Rock in USA to Tango or Samba in Latin America, in all places that have black people, their influence on music is strong.

    The blues and basketball is how one of my younger brothers characterized the black contribution to human achievement.

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  168. @AndrewR
    I have no real reason to suspect your comment is sarcastic, but for a second or two I did kind of read it as such. One peril of the sarcasm endemic to so much of our world today is that its commonness makes it harder to be taken seriously when you make an earnest, concise compliment like you just did. This sarcasm is especially beloved by our cynical and passive-aggressive host here, to whom sarcasm comes as naturally as breathing.

    That’s a good observation, Andrew (and I mean that sincerely). I did intend the compliment to AM to be taken entirely without irony.

    These days I often have the same problem in F2F situations, i.e. people assume I’m joking. I think you’re right that this is a sign of the times, but I suspect it’s also because my beliefs and preferences are so far removed from what’s au courant that some people can’t quite accept that I’ve said what I’ve just said — if you know what I mean.

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  169. @Olorin
    Was thinking about this thread/these comments out on field yesterday, particularly Faraday's Bobcat's observation above about finding MP&tHG hilarious as a teen, not discovering Fawlty Towers till adulthood, and not finding it funny at all. Similar here.

    It strikes me that comedy per se is a genre for younger minds and spirits. Maturity points us toward a taste for satire and maybe tragicomedy (like King Lear and Oedipus Rex).

    Who was it who said, "Irreverence is easy; what's hard is wit"?

    This is another ghastly aspect of 24/7 saturation of GloboUberInfoTainment LLC: it doesn't recognize developmental phases except as "demographic slices" for marketing purposes.

    Suspended maturity/perpetual adolescence has been the major product of GloboUberInfoTainment LLC since the 1960s.

    This is how we end up with females in their 30s to 50s holding up Harry Potter signs at "political" "protests." And BBC "comedy controllers."

    The kids in my high school who liked Monty Python were the bright, more "square" ones. Not nerds, not unpopular...and all mature for their age. When I watch MP routines today and laugh, it is often a younger part of me laughing.

    When I laugh through a tight throat at Lear, it's my auld phart self. I mean, has there ever been a funner bit of dramatic dialogue than


    We have this hour a constant will to publish
    Our daughters' several dowers, that future strife
    May be prevented now.

     
    Maybe Oedipus goading Teiresias into prophesying against his will.

    The closest MP ever got to that IMO was the King Arthur's encounter with the Anarchosyndicalist Peasant. "Dennis! There's some lovely filth over here!" still cracks me up, though in an entirely different way than when I was 14. But the Fish-Slapping Dance still hits me in exactly the same place, and I find "military precision swanning about" even funnier now than I did then.

    “Dennis! There’s some lovely filth over here!” still cracks me up, though in an entirely different way than when I was 14.

    Couldn’t agree more.

    BTW: ‘auld phart’ is funny.

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  170. Marcus D. says:
    @Anonymous
    Jazz is black music, largely, but on white instruments and with a lot of white and Jewish influence. There was a lot of interaction between white and black jazz men and you never saw blacks do something absolutely original without there being some white stimulation or precedent. Black big band jazz, black hard bop, black cool jazz were all a response or a extension of white trailblazers.

    That isn't to say that it was not common for the best and most prominent, most advanced practitioner of any style to be a black artist. Often it was, but not by any means always or usually.

    What you are saying is like to say that Europeans aren’t so remarkable at maths, because the modern numbers ( like the instruments in music) were discovered by the Indians. Or that Jews don’t contributed strongly in physics in the last 100 years, because all the fundamental physics was discovered by Europeans.

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  171. njguy73 says:
    @Anon
    You forgot 'malodorous.'

    You forgot ‘malodorous.’

    Oh, you’re absolutely right. How careless of me. Thank you for saying so. You’re too kind.

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  172. @Kylie
    My god, yes. There is nothing Joe Pesci can't do. He excells in drama, comedy and romance. He is absolutely riveting onscreen. In interviews, he is refreshingly low-key, funny and effortlessly compelling.

    “….your [stamp stamp] biological clock…”

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  173. Dr. Doom says:

    Actually anytime a nerd believes he’s gonna get laid without being rich, I have to laugh.

    Wouldn’t it be great if people weren’t judged on looks and they handed out goodies to people for being stupid and obnoxious, but especially if they were unattractive?

    Its not just crazy. ITS THE BEEB. BBC.

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  174. Anonym says:
    @Saxon
    At some point, it doesn't matter if you outbreed or not. Certainly, the people who want to be rid of us will either mandate it by law or force us to at gunpoint in some way if we are reluctant to, or just mass murder us when we've been whittled down to a low enough percentage of the population and still refuse. After all, these are the descendants of the same people behind the Bolshevik atrocities. I wouldn't put anything past them.

    At some point, it doesn’t matter if you outbreed or not. Certainly, the people who want to be rid of us will either mandate it by law or force us to at gunpoint in some way if we are reluctant to, or just mass murder us when we’ve been whittled down to a low enough percentage of the population and still refuse. After all, these are the descendants of the same people behind the Bolshevik atrocities. I wouldn’t put anything past them.

    You may be right if we choose not to breed and don’t exert our will. I think it is harder than that otherwise they would have done it by now. If we keep up our numbers and become more ethnocentric, very difficult for them especially where we own guns.

    I don’t put anything past them either.

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