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From the BBC:

Never Again: Is gun control movement too white?

By Georgina Rannard
BBC News
27 March 2018

Is the new movement against gun violence that is sweeping America too white and too rich?

It’s a question hotly debated on social media … Protesters are being accused of hypocrisy, as some ask why they didn’t turn out for the Black Lives Matter movement, which was set up in 2013 to end police violence against black people and highlight the impact of gun violence in ethnic minority communities.

In 2016 more than 52% of murder victims (73% killed by guns) in America were black, even though black people make up 13% of the population.

Debate on Twitter focused on a photograph of white protesters holding up their palms, which read: “Don’t shoot.” The slogan and gesture became a rallying cry in 2014 after 18-year-old Michael Brown, who was reported to be raising his arms, was fatally shot by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri.

Accusations that the weekend marches had appropriated the slogan were shared more than 3,000 times.

I suspect that what black people really want is some extension of intellectual property rights law so that every time a white person says a black catchphrase, or dances a black step, or wears his pants baggy or whatever, he has to pay a nickel into a fund that will be shared out among all black people.

I’m not wholly opposed to this idea.

 
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  1. Anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Incoming German baby boom!

    https://www.destatis.de/DE/PresseService/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2018/03/PD18_115_122.html

    The combined fertility rate in 2016 was 1.59 children per woman. This is the highest value since 1973 and significantly higher than in 2015 (1.50 children per woman). In the case of German women, the birth rate increased from 1.43 children per woman in 2015 to 1.46 children per woman in 2016. For women of foreign nationality, she increased from 1.95 to 2.28 children per woman.

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    • Replies: @27 year old
    Are the fathers German men or "german men"?
    , @Moses
    Ethnic German and non-ethnic "German" breakdown please.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Yikes! That press release is scary.

    In 2011, births to foreign mothers was 17.0% of total births. That figure increased to 23.3% in 2016. That's bad, but if you look at what's driving that increase, you see that it's Muslims and, possibly, Roma.

    Here are the birth numbers (in thousands) by mother's country of origin for 2011 and 2016.

    2011 2016
    Afghanistan 1.3 5.9
    Iraq 2.6 5.5
    Romanian 2.7 10.5
    Syria 1.1 18.5
    Turkey 23.2 21.8

    Total 30.9 62.2

    % of Total Births 4.7% 7.9%

    Way to go Merkel. You doubled the number of trouble makers in your society in just five years. That's not easy.

    I wonder what percent of births are to German citizens who aren't white but are still counted as "German" because of their citizenship? Probably not too high, but there have to be some. Also, what about ethnic German moms who have the baby of some Arab or African guy. Those births would also be counted as "German."

    My guess is that non-white births easily account for more than 10% of births in Germany. Nothing compared to the United States or England, but still not good for ethnic Germans. Also, like blacks, you don't need a whole lot of Muslims (or Roma) as a % of the population for it to cause major societal problems.

    Good luck Germany. You better stop the bleeding fast because another decade of this and you're in a serious world of hurt.
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  2. Sajmon says:

    Steve, do you remember The Million Mom March in 2000? It was before Twitter and Facebook. The march drew an estimated attendance of 750,000 gun control supporters at the D.C. location (over 500,000 more than March for Our Lives).

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    The Million Mom March drew less than 500,000. Those are "advocacy numbers".

    http://www.usa2076.com/proguns/mmm.htm
    , @Jasper Been
    Well I personally vaguely remember it. Rosie ODonnell was there, snarling at the crowd with the same old talking points we still hear.
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  3. Alec says:

    We already pay a hefty but implicit diversity tax. I would be much happier with an explicit one.

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  4. Whiskey says: • Website

    Translation, “let’s kill all the White men as soon as we diusarm them even Trump is on our side”

    Sad thing is President Cuck is on their side. He hates the deplorables as much as Feinstein who had a special moment during the gun grab meeting. He just fakes better.

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    • Replies: @Been
    Is this true? Maybe I ought to give this Trump guy a second look after all!
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  5. Anonymous[326] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve worked in offices with a fair number of black women and on more than one occasion I’ve had opportunity to notice she had a revolver or automatic pistol in her purse. This in a suburban business building with a no guns sign on the door. The same women have gone off on “white gun nuts” and voiced support for gun control legislation, and they vote Democrat without fail, cause ‘that’s what they suppose to do, and they been told it.’

    The law really doesn’t apply to them, and they know it. As long as they leave the guns in the car or at home when going to court, visiting their men in the joint, or at the airport, law enforcement doesn’t give a shit. A black woman will cuss out a cop at a traffic stop but not shoot him. And there are not enough wonen’s jail spaces to throw every black woman in town with an illegal gun in jail, not by a hundredth. Even if she’s a felon the cops only bother her if she sorely pisses them off or is an obvious threat.

    The fact that they were packing never really bothered me, since generally they only shoot people who physically attack them, which I had and have no intention of doing. Further, they aren’t very good at that even. But the hypocrisy galled me, until I became racially conscious and realized we are mostly dealing with eleven year olds in adult bodies. (The genuinely talentedly tenth types had much better jobs and weren’t on the same floor with us stale pale slobs.)

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    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    A black woman in my office had a small automatic pistol which she carried because she was a lay minister who visited parishioners in bad sections of town. The "town" was the District of Columbia, which outlawed civilian handgun possession, but, as you say, the law didn't apply to her.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    And there are not enough wonen’s jail spaces to throw every black woman in town with an illegal gun in jail
     
    And many of them wouldn't fit in those tiny cells anyway.
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  6. CCZ says:

    No need to worry about this, David Hogg is a good-white who is protecting blacks.

    David Hogg told Axios [media] founder Mike Allen that his high school feels “like a prison” since the shooting last month, with “hundreds of police officers” patrolling the campus.

    He said this is a problem because the police are racist against black students: “What I’m very concerned about is the racial disparity between white and black students. For example, black students get suspended at a rate three times higher than white students.”

    “When you have all these new police officers and resource officers coming into schools, what I’m worried is going to happen is we’re going to increase the school-to-prison pipeline, which disproportionately affects students of color and lower social status,” Hogg warned.

    “And the other thing that is terrifying to me is, many of these students when they get into prison…. They can’t get a job and have to commit to a life of crime,” he added.

    The biggest mistake the media made when covering the Parkland shooting was: “Not giving black students a voice. My school is about 25% black, but the way we’re covered doesn’t reflect that.”

    Note: National Center for Education Statistics says high school 12% black.

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    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig
    Yeah, but they probably draw about 25% of the attention.
    , @Forbes
    This Hogg fella has the Dem talking points memorized...
    , @Corn
    This little Hogg may not be drooling idiot level IQ, but he surely has handlers. What Democratic talking point from the last twenty years has he NOT brought up on Twitter or in an interview at some point?
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  7. polskijoe says:

    Questions for Americans:

    a)Do whites usually buy guns legally? How about blacks?
    b)If they grabbed all the guns it would be likely taking it from legally?
    c)How would they find the guns hidden by gangs and others?
    d)Is there a solution to the “gun problem” in USA? A moderate position?

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    a)Do whites usually buy guns legally? How about blacks?
     
    There is always going to be a criminal element that has to buy guns illegally, but for the most part whites are out in the open about owning firearms. That's why whites join groups like the NRA and flood into gun shows that are held each week across the nation.

    I can't say for sure about blacks.


    b)If they grabbed all the guns it would be likely taking it from legally?
     
    Assuming they repealed the 2nd Amendment, or got another justice on the Supreme Court to rule that the 2nd Amendment is not an individual right to own a gun, then yes they would probably end up disarming people who had legally purchased their guns. However, with the millions of legal gun owners in America, it wouldn't take many to start an insurrection.

    Consider that the combined might of the US armed forces, both active and reserve, is only around 2 million in total. You could conceivably have 10 million legal gun owners, many of whom have had military training, who would refuse. If that happened I don't see how the government could put them down.

    c)How would they find the guns hidden by gangs and others?
     

    They'd probably hunt for guns in the ghettos like they currently hunt for drugs. But since many of those guns are illegally owned, they wouldn't know for sure where they were.

    d)Is there a solution to the “gun problem” in USA? A moderate position?
     
    The so-called gun problem in the USA is a demographic problem. A disproportionate amount of gun crime is committed by the black community despite the media attention given to the white mass shooters. In Europe you are seeing what happens when you get some Africans in your midst. Just imagine what it is going to be like when they comprise 13 percent of your population. That is the black percentage in America and they account for half the murders.

    Given the government's position on making America even less white, I don't see whites readily giving up their weapons. It would be suicidal to disarm now given that our proportion of the population is going to shrink. Additionally this multicultural experiment as David Brooks calls it is probably going to not end in a happy way. It would be wise to be able to protect yourself when that day comes.

    , @Almost Missouri
    polskijoe, I largely agree with istevefan. A few additional details:

    a) whites: usually; blacks: not so much

    b) This question didn't translate well to English, but I think you are asking if it is legal to confiscate guns. The answer is basically no unless you are convicted of a felony or have a vindictive ex-wife. Of course, since blacks are disproportionately felons this should mean a lot of blacks getting disarmed, but the Progressive gun grabbers want to disarm whites not blacks, so this is problem for the Progs. (They like armed blacks. They plan to use them against armed whites.) So the Progs are trying to get the Second Amendment repealed or at least invalidated, so all guns will become illegal, then, like with most laws, they will only enforce it against whites.

    c) Unfortunately, if you buy a gun legally from a licensed dealer, the dealer has to register the purchase with the Federal government, so there is a Federal list of legal gun owners, or at least those who have bought guns legally. The government would go house-to-house with this list demanding you give them your gun(s) or tell them to whom you gave/sold it. This is the Left's wet dream come true. As mentioned already, they don't care about (illegal) black and brown gang guns, so those would remain, they don't even need to hide them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OaF-j8x5Vc

    d) The current laws are the "moderate position": felons can't buy guns, upstanding citizens can. Of course, the Left views any moderate position as just a stepping stone to their extreme position, so one minute after you reach any moderate compromise with them, they immediately begin painting it as intolerable, racist, Nazi, etc. so that they can make the next "compromise" on the way to their communist tyranny-utopia.

    I assume you are Polish, so I assume you already know: never trust the Left. Never, never, never, never.

    , @Lars Porsena
    a) Depends. Most whites buy guns legally, although obviously criminal whites tend to do so criminally. Some blacks also buy guns legally, it's perfectly legal so long as they don't have felony records. I do not know the real numbers so you'd have to look them up, but as a personal bias, I would have to say the number of legal white guns certainly drastically dwarfs the number of illegal ones. With blacks, I don't know but I would at least consider that the ratio may be substantially tilted in the other direction, whether the numbers of illegal guns owned by gang bangers is smaller or larger than the number of black people legally armed I couldn't tell you.

    b) Grabbing the legal guns obviously. The illegal guns are already "grabbed" because they are illegal, but obviously the government cannot find them to grab. The political issue is legal guns, not illegal ones. Since illegal guns are already 'grabbable' any new laws about grabbing guns would have to be targeting previously legal ones, or else just be redundant fluff where politicians try to take credit for the fact you haven't been blown up by a grenade launcher.

    c) They wouldn't, and they don't. They only find the ones on people they are already arresting for something else, which then get grabbed, but obviously they have no divining rod to lead them to the rest.

    d) No. Not any more than there is a solution to the 'murder problem' or the 'thieving problem'.

    One thing you have to remember is the news media, in all western countries, has it's own agenda, and it hates guns. What foreigners hear about the problems with guns and violence in the US is what the media wants them to hear in order to shape their opinions. That is the power of the media, if the media starts covering hurricanes more frequently, people typically think hurricanes are happening more frequently, not that the media is just covering them more. So take reports of life in America (or any other country) with a grain of salt if it's coming through any biased media, and all media have their own biases.

    Another thing you have to remember is that firearms are what, 12th century technology? At it's most basic a gun is just a pipe with a handle and a plug on the back with a tiny hole in it. The handle, while ergonomic, is not strictly necessary. It's not like there aren't already black-market manufacturers of knock-off guns. There are.

    Plus there are already so many firearms in the US, and so many people (like myself) who would sooner bury them in tupperware in the back yard than give them to the government, and so many of them unregistered in any way.

    You can make gun laws and enforce them on criminals. But the criminals are already in violation of the law. If you want to make sure that bank robber stays in jail, instead of tacking on gun crimes they could just make the sentence for bank robbery longer. The only real purpose of gun laws is to enforce them on non-criminals who only have the gun for self-defense and haven't even used it and won't use it. Since these people haven't already done something else illegal with the gun, they are really the only people the government needs new gun laws to target. Don't kid yourself, they're the target.
    , @gunner29
    d)Is there a solution to the “gun problem” in USA? A moderate position?

    20 years ago a book came out; More Guns, Less Crime. John Lott was the author, he examined the gun laws and crime in all 3300 or so counties in the US.

    Found that the more restrictions on guns, the more crime in that county. So Cook county Illinois, where Chicago is, basically prohibited guns and it was open season on the law abiding part of the population.

    Obvious reason was a criminal type doesn't want to be surprised by a legal gun owner during a mugging, assault, or breaking into your home or business. If only 10% are armed, it's not going to be many crimes before they meet up with the business end of a gun. And the likely end of their criminal career; either dead or in prison for a couple of decades.

    So the criminals leave that county and go practice their shit in the ones that disarm their victims.

    Even the room temp IQ criminals are bright enough to only 'work' where the chances of getting shot are low. There was an upscale town in Georgia at the time that passed an ordinance that every home had to own a gun. I doubt it was enforced, but the word got around to the criminals and they pretty much quit going there.

    Other thing would be eliminate this 'Gun free zone' bull. It's an invitation for a mass killer. The huge advantage concealed gun carry has is the criminals don't know whom to shoot first. Uniformed guard; take them out first.

    There are a couple of hundred peeps left after the uniformed guy is down, so who is the biggest threat that gets it next? Not an easy answer to the perp, and if he pays attention to one or two, there could be another ten that are going for their guns to take out the criminal. If you're 20 feet away, with your back to me, I can put a couple in the back of your head with no problem. I practice at 75 feet and try to put them in a 4 inch group. So it's not impossible, cops tho, are the worst shots around....

    This is why armed teachers makes so much sense. The teachers recognize each other, know which are armed so they aren't shooting each other. They are also already in the building, so no having to get the courage up to enter and confront somebody. And being already there, there is no response delay of 10 minutes or more until the cops can get there, they know where the shots are coming from, how many, know the layout of the building, can work together; that's a really big confidence giver to have other armed peeps with you.

    The gun grabbers are certain just collect all the privately owned guns; end of problem. But they'll never get all the guns, the borders are porous so there will be smuggling, and the knowledge of how to make guns exists.

    But the crime aspect of gun ownership is a byproduct of the 2nd amendment; being able to shoot a 'jack booted thug' from the gobt was the original reason.....
    , @Gringo
    d)Questions for Americans: Is there a solution to the “gun problem” in USA? A moderate position?

    African Americans Are Eight Times More Likely to Be Victims of Homicide Than Whites, Says CDC.

    During 1999–2014, a general decline in homicide trends for non-Hispanic white, non-Hispanic black, and Hispanic populations occurred, followed by a significant increase in the rates for all three groups between 2014 and 2015. In 2015, homicide rates were 5.7 deaths per 100,000 for the total population, 20.9 for non-Hispanic blacks, 4.9 for Hispanics, and 2.6 for non-Hispanic whites.
     
    Blacks are 8 times more likely to be murder victims than than non-Hispanic whites. At the same time, blacks are less likely to be gun owners than"non-Hispanic whites."

    What does that tell you, that blacks own fewer guns than whites but are more likely to murder or be murdered than whites? And no, it isn't an issue of whites murdering blacks. That tells me that there isn't a "gun problem" in the US, but a cultural problem.

    The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world, but if you go to Wikipedia (no links to avoid the spam catcher) to look up murder rates, you find out that the US ranks about 93rd out of about 219 countries in the world for murder rate. That doesn't tell me that there is a "gun problem" in the US.
    , @Gringo
    d)Is there a solution to the “gun problem” in USA? A moderate position?

    If we look at Europe, we find out that there is a correlation of -0.24 between gun ownership rates and murder rates. The data tells us this: the more guns in Europe, the less murder in Europe or vice versa.
    Here are the top ten countries in Europe by gun ownership rates(boldface), along with murder rates.

    Country Murder Rate Guns per 100 Residents
    Serbia 1.13 58.21
    Norway 0.56 31.3
    France 1.58 31.2
    Austria 0.51 30.4
    Germany 0.85 30.3
    Iceland 0.91 30.3
    Finland 1.6 27.3
    Switzerland 0.69 24.45
    Macedonia 1.59 24.1
    Montenegro 2.72 23.1

    Here are the top 10 countries in Europe by murder rate (boldface), along with gun ownership rate.

    Country Murder Rate Guns per 100 Residents
    Russia 11.31 8.9
    Lithuania 5.98 0.7
    Ukraine 4.36 6.6
    Latvia 4.11 19
    Belarus 3.58 7.3
    Estonia 3.2 9.2
    Moldova 3.19 7.1
    Montenegro 2.72 23.1
    Albania 2.28 8.6
    Belgium 1.95 17.2

    Montenegro is the only country in the top ten in both gun ownership rate and murder rate. Russia is first in murder rate, but 25th in gun ownership rate. Serbia is first in gun ownership rate but 20th in murder rate.Norway is 2nd in gun ownership rate but 38th- next to last- in murder rate.

    The white American murder rate of 2.6/100,000, cited in an earlier post, is lower than 8 European countries.

    Both European and American data on gun ownership rates and murder rates show us that more guns do not equate with more murder. (Pew Report surveys, linked to in a comment that is still blocked, show black households owning guns at a lower rate than white households 32% versus 49% in a 2017 survey, and 19% versus 41 % in a 2014 survey.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
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  8. eah says:

    black catchphrase

    The provenance of a particular “catchphrase” might be a problem, but you could start putting together a list of candidates.

    And since there’s no evidence that eg the wheel was invented independently in Africa, at least in sub-Saharan Africa, Blacks would have to pay into a fund every time they used anything with a wheel.

    “I’m not wholly opposed to this idea.”

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    "No, I don't think that I would ever let her cut on me."


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZk5qHXRD3A

    "We're stayin' in a Holiday Inn full of surgeons.
    I guess they meet there once a year.
    They exchange physician's stories
    and get drunk on Tuborg beer.
    Then they're off to catch a stripper
    with their eyes glued to her "G",
    but I don't think that I would ever let 'em cut on me."
    , @Anthony Wayne
    People could very well die as a result of this (and countless other) med school’s indulgence. As a college student in his final semester still hanging on to parents’ health insurance, I am deathly afraid of running into such a “doctor” in the future.

    How explicitly can I state that I’d prefer a white (ideally Jewish) doctor without causing a brouhaha? Is it common for people to make such demands in a hospital?
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  9. Been says:
    @Whiskey
    Translation, "let's kill all the White men as soon as we diusarm them even Trump is on our side"

    Sad thing is President Cuck is on their side. He hates the deplorables as much as Feinstein who had a special moment during the gun grab meeting. He just fakes better.

    Is this true? Maybe I ought to give this Trump guy a second look after all!

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    Yes true. Meeting with Feinstein and Chucky Schemer Trump demanded an end to due process to take guns. Feinstein had a special moment.

    Trump is a cuck. Not even Bush went that far.

    I'd rather not get Reginald Denny ed. Time comes I want to take some with me.
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  10. El Dato says:

    It’s racist and hypocritical not to get behind any old Black Cause, especially if you are caught getting behind some other Random Cause later.

    Because, let’s face it, first solving all the Black Problems is what Really Matters.

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    • Replies: @dearieme
    " ... first solving all the Black Problems is what Really Matters." True.

    Thank God you said 'first solving' and not 'finally solving'.
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  11. Is the new movement against gun violence that is sweeping America too white and too rich?

    Better question:

    Is the orchestrated movement against gun rights that is endangering America too (((white))) and too (((rich))) ?

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    • Replies: @CCZ
    "Is the orchestrated movement against gun rights that is endangering America too (((white))) and too (((rich))) ?"

    Isn't there a third adjective, the one that can not be spoken, that belongs in that question?

    , @Forbes
    When guns are confiscated, will Bloomberg's bodyguards be disarmed?
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  12. istevefan says:
    @polskijoe
    Questions for Americans:

    a)Do whites usually buy guns legally? How about blacks?
    b)If they grabbed all the guns it would be likely taking it from legally?
    c)How would they find the guns hidden by gangs and others?
    d)Is there a solution to the "gun problem" in USA? A moderate position?

    a)Do whites usually buy guns legally? How about blacks?

    There is always going to be a criminal element that has to buy guns illegally, but for the most part whites are out in the open about owning firearms. That’s why whites join groups like the NRA and flood into gun shows that are held each week across the nation.

    I can’t say for sure about blacks.

    b)If they grabbed all the guns it would be likely taking it from legally?

    Assuming they repealed the 2nd Amendment, or got another justice on the Supreme Court to rule that the 2nd Amendment is not an individual right to own a gun, then yes they would probably end up disarming people who had legally purchased their guns. However, with the millions of legal gun owners in America, it wouldn’t take many to start an insurrection.

    Consider that the combined might of the US armed forces, both active and reserve, is only around 2 million in total. You could conceivably have 10 million legal gun owners, many of whom have had military training, who would refuse. If that happened I don’t see how the government could put them down.

    c)How would they find the guns hidden by gangs and others?

    They’d probably hunt for guns in the ghettos like they currently hunt for drugs. But since many of those guns are illegally owned, they wouldn’t know for sure where they were.

    d)Is there a solution to the “gun problem” in USA? A moderate position?

    The so-called gun problem in the USA is a demographic problem. A disproportionate amount of gun crime is committed by the black community despite the media attention given to the white mass shooters. In Europe you are seeing what happens when you get some Africans in your midst. Just imagine what it is going to be like when they comprise 13 percent of your population. That is the black percentage in America and they account for half the murders.

    Given the government’s position on making America even less white, I don’t see whites readily giving up their weapons. It would be suicidal to disarm now given that our proportion of the population is going to shrink. Additionally this multicultural experiment as David Brooks calls it is probably going to not end in a happy way. It would be wise to be able to protect yourself when that day comes.

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    thanks for answer.
    , @Anonymous
    If the U.S. government is ever serious about this it will call in the U.N. It won't just be gun owners vs. the regular army.

    A campaign to disarm American 'racists' would be hugely popular around the world. Every African and Muslim country would send troops. You would be facing tens of millions, not 2 million.

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  13. istevefan says:

    Is the new movement against gun violence that is sweeping America too white and too rich?

    Yes.

    It’s a question hotly debated on social media … Protesters are being accused of hypocrisy, as some ask why they didn’t turn out for the Black Lives Matter movement, which was set up in 2013 to end police violence against black people and highlight the impact of gun violence in ethnic minority communities.

    That is complete BS. First, BLM was all about cops killing blacks regardless of whether they used a gun. For example, the guy in NY who died of a heart attack did so because the cops were aggressively trying to cuff him. Then you had the guy in Baltimore who was killed because the cops slammed him around the back of the van by deliberately driving in a manner to cause him injury. These killings had nothing to do with guns.

    Second, recall that when BLM was protesting the relatively few cop killings of blacks, people were asking BLM why they did not also protest the 600 or so black-on-black homicides in Chicago or other urban areas too. BLM and the media claimed it was racist to bring this up. If anything it is BLM who are hypocrites for not protesting black gun crime. Additionally white liberals are also hypocrites because they too ignore black gun crime and focus only on guns when a white shooter is involved.

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    And don't point out that more whites than blacks are killed by cops, despite blacks proclivity to violent crime at 7x that of whites...
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    And, as in the case of Stephon Clark in Sacramento, the question of the role of blacks in police shootings is never asked. Systemic racism is an incomplete answer for this complex problem. African American culture must also be part of the equation.
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  14. CCZ says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Is the new movement against gun violence that is sweeping America too white and too rich?
     
    Better question:

    Is the orchestrated movement against gun rights that is endangering America too (((white))) and too (((rich))) ?
     

    https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5595a10a6bb3f7b62ea73318-750-563.jpg

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/02/08/21/30FFC5AE00000578-0-image-a-62_1454966053925.jpg

    http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2016/160615_CRIME_michael-bloomberg.jpg.CROP.promo-xlarge2.jpg

    “Is the orchestrated movement against gun rights that is endangering America too (((white))) and too (((rich))) ?”

    Isn’t there a third adjective, the one that can not be spoken, that belongs in that question?

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    Isn’t there a third adjective, the one that cannot be spoken
     
    Well, I wanted to keep the questions symmetrical, but I also gotta admit—you’ve got me stumped. iSteve is a safe space, go for it …
    , @Mishra
    The one "which cannot be spoken" is amply signified therein.
    So what the F are you babbling about now?
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  15. Svigor says:

    Is it really sweeping America? Or just the hysterical, anti-American (((Big Media))) and usual suspects?

    a)Do whites usually buy guns legally? How about blacks?
    b)If they grabbed all the guns it would be likely taking it from legally?
    c)How would they find the guns hidden by gangs and others?
    d)Is there a solution to the “gun problem” in USA? A moderate position?

    a) Yes, of course. Yes, unless you count “straw sales” as illegal, but generally blacks are much more into illegal guns.

    b) Huh?

    c) The same way they find them now.

    d) Yes; repatriate Blacks, anyone who immigrated post-1964, and their descendants. Sure, respect the Constitution.

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    I dont see any of your solutions happening, but it is nice to see so many people wake up to the fact that "gun control " is just a euphemism for "disarm Whitey".
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  16. polskijoe says:
    @istevefan

    a)Do whites usually buy guns legally? How about blacks?
     
    There is always going to be a criminal element that has to buy guns illegally, but for the most part whites are out in the open about owning firearms. That's why whites join groups like the NRA and flood into gun shows that are held each week across the nation.

    I can't say for sure about blacks.


    b)If they grabbed all the guns it would be likely taking it from legally?
     
    Assuming they repealed the 2nd Amendment, or got another justice on the Supreme Court to rule that the 2nd Amendment is not an individual right to own a gun, then yes they would probably end up disarming people who had legally purchased their guns. However, with the millions of legal gun owners in America, it wouldn't take many to start an insurrection.

    Consider that the combined might of the US armed forces, both active and reserve, is only around 2 million in total. You could conceivably have 10 million legal gun owners, many of whom have had military training, who would refuse. If that happened I don't see how the government could put them down.

    c)How would they find the guns hidden by gangs and others?
     

    They'd probably hunt for guns in the ghettos like they currently hunt for drugs. But since many of those guns are illegally owned, they wouldn't know for sure where they were.

    d)Is there a solution to the “gun problem” in USA? A moderate position?
     
    The so-called gun problem in the USA is a demographic problem. A disproportionate amount of gun crime is committed by the black community despite the media attention given to the white mass shooters. In Europe you are seeing what happens when you get some Africans in your midst. Just imagine what it is going to be like when they comprise 13 percent of your population. That is the black percentage in America and they account for half the murders.

    Given the government's position on making America even less white, I don't see whites readily giving up their weapons. It would be suicidal to disarm now given that our proportion of the population is going to shrink. Additionally this multicultural experiment as David Brooks calls it is probably going to not end in a happy way. It would be wise to be able to protect yourself when that day comes.

    thanks for answer.

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  17. @Anonymous
    I've worked in offices with a fair number of black women and on more than one occasion I've had opportunity to notice she had a revolver or automatic pistol in her purse. This in a suburban business building with a no guns sign on the door. The same women have gone off on "white gun nuts" and voiced support for gun control legislation, and they vote Democrat without fail, cause 'that's what they suppose to do, and they been told it.'

    The law really doesn't apply to them, and they know it. As long as they leave the guns in the car or at home when going to court, visiting their men in the joint, or at the airport, law enforcement doesn't give a shit. A black woman will cuss out a cop at a traffic stop but not shoot him. And there are not enough wonen's jail spaces to throw every black woman in town with an illegal gun in jail, not by a hundredth. Even if she's a felon the cops only bother her if she sorely pisses them off or is an obvious threat.

    The fact that they were packing never really bothered me, since generally they only shoot people who physically attack them, which I had and have no intention of doing. Further, they aren't very good at that even. But the hypocrisy galled me, until I became racially conscious and realized we are mostly dealing with eleven year olds in adult bodies. (The genuinely talentedly tenth types had much better jobs and weren't on the same floor with us stale pale slobs.)

    A black woman in my office had a small automatic pistol which she carried because she was a lay minister who visited parishioners in bad sections of town. The “town” was the District of Columbia, which outlawed civilian handgun possession, but, as you say, the law didn’t apply to her.

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    Years ago, living in NYC, I'd occasionally see an article in the Daily News about a spunky old black grandma who fended off a mugger with her handgun. These were covered as feel-good stories, with the black grandma shown brandishing her weapon and offering some spicy opinions about young hoodlums. In contrast to the Bernie Goetz case, the issue of the illegality of her weapon never seemed to come up. I don't know if the NYPD quietly confiscated it.
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  18. Escher says:

    Guess no one will criticize BLM activists for not showing up to these marches. Racism only works one way.

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  19. I’m not wholly opposed to this idea.

    LOL AND AGREED. It’d be one of those win/wins the corporate big shots are always going on about.

    Your witty sarcasm comes out best at this time in the morning, Steve. Make it a Jackson per appropriation instead of a nickle, though, and have it all accumlate in the United Negro College Fund. “Sagging pants on a white man are a terrible thing to waste.” No, wait, “This is your mind… this is your mind on drugs. Scrambled brains are a terrible thing to waste. Pass the salt and pepper.”

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    "I’m not wholly opposed to this idea."

    That's worthy of making you a British citizen. How does "Sir Steven Sailer" appeal to you as a name?
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  20. Anonymous[382] • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t forget hoop earrings, which black women totally invented.

    Also, the doo rag, which thousands of Japanese sushi chefs and ramen shop employees appropriated as the tenugui, probably from black servicemen after World War II.

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  21. @eah
    black catchphrase

    The provenance of a particular "catchphrase" might be a problem, but you could start putting together a list of candidates.

    And since there's no evidence that eg the wheel was invented independently in Africa, at least in sub-Saharan Africa, Blacks would have to pay into a fund every time they used anything with a wheel.

    "I’m not wholly opposed to this idea."

    https://twitter.com/StudentDrKendra/status/978599859283546113

    “No, I don’t think that I would ever let her cut on me.”

    “We’re stayin’ in a Holiday Inn full of surgeons.
    I guess they meet there once a year.
    They exchange physician’s stories
    and get drunk on Tuborg beer.
    Then they’re off to catch a stripper
    with their eyes glued to her “G”,
    but I don’t think that I would ever let ‘em cut on me.”

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  22. Seriously, we shouldn’t ever use the phrase “Don’t Shoot!” with our hands up in the air, so that we won’t offend black people? Can I at least yell it with my hands down in front of me clasped around something that may or may not be a cell phone? I dunno, I think this idea needs more testing, and not by me. You black people know lots more about this sort of thing – come up with something we can use, and we’ll quit with the felonious appropriation.

    Actually, if it’s an anti-2nd-Amendment, or I should say anti-civil rights, rally, I give y’all my permission as a white guy to stop this nonsense.

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  23. @CCZ
    "Is the orchestrated movement against gun rights that is endangering America too (((white))) and too (((rich))) ?"

    Isn't there a third adjective, the one that can not be spoken, that belongs in that question?

    Isn’t there a third adjective, the one that cannot be spoken

    Well, I wanted to keep the questions symmetrical, but I also gotta admit—you’ve got me stumped. iSteve is a safe space, go for it …

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  24. eah says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    "No, I don't think that I would ever let her cut on me."


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZk5qHXRD3A

    "We're stayin' in a Holiday Inn full of surgeons.
    I guess they meet there once a year.
    They exchange physician's stories
    and get drunk on Tuborg beer.
    Then they're off to catch a stripper
    with their eyes glued to her "G",
    but I don't think that I would ever let 'em cut on me."
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    OK, after reading 50% of that Occidental Observer article whilst Bon Jovi is playing in my head I still must point out, on behalf of the unz socialist crowd "Yeah, but they've got SINGLE-PAYER. SINGLE-PAYER, people, the envy of the rest of the industrialized world! SINGLE-FREAKING-PAYER!"

    OK, just to get Bon Jovi back out of my head, and this back on topic, I present KISS (not really their best, by any means):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDTE8DpkKE4

    Now, to get THAT song out of my head, The Dead can remake anybody's any song, as they were the penultimate, hell the decaultimate, All-American band:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBqli3KJN2Q

    Don't worry, that guy moves his head out of the way of the camera by about 1 minute in. Jerry plays lead after a couple of minutes.
    , @Jonathan Mason
    The fact that about 25% of British doctors are foreign-educated does at least show that working for the National Health system is still seen overseas as a desirable destination when there are so many other countries recruiting qualified doctors.

    The guy in the story sounds like Britain's answer to Larry Nassar.
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  25. @Anonymous
    OT

    Incoming German baby boom!

    https://www.destatis.de/DE/PresseService/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2018/03/PD18_115_122.html

    The combined fertility rate in 2016 was 1.59 children per woman. This is the highest value since 1973 and significantly higher than in 2015 (1.50 children per woman). In the case of German women, the birth rate increased from 1.43 children per woman in 2015 to 1.46 children per woman in 2016. For women of foreign nationality, she increased from 1.95 to 2.28 children per woman.
     

    Are the fathers German men or “german men”?

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    I'm sure it is "german men" considering most of the mothers are "german women."
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  26. Gringo says:

    Is the new movement against gun violence that is sweeping America too white and too rich?

    Compared to whites, blacks are much more likely to be murder victims and victims of gun violence- and also much more likely to be murderers or perpetrators of gun violence.

    Blacks are less likely than whites to own guns, though it appears that blacks are catching up.Pew Research (2014): The demographics and politics of gun-owning households.

    The new research also suggests a paradox: While blacks are significantly more likely than whites to be gun homicide victims, blacks are only about half as likely as whites to have a firearm in their home (41% vs. 19%).

    Three years later, there is a reported increase in gun ownership, with the gap between blacks and whites reduced for guns in the household. From Pew Research (2017):The demographics of gun ownership, we find out that 49% of whites report there is a gun in their household, compared to 32% of blacks.
    Is the increase in reported gun ownership due to more guns being purchased, or to more honest answers, or both? Had the question been posed about LEGAL possession of guns, what would have been the demographics of the responses?

    There are also reports in the last year that more blacks are purchasing guns in fear of Trump and his supporters.

    Perhaps blacks realize that as they own fewer guns than whites yet are more likely to be victims of gun violence, there is no point in reducing gun ownership.

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  27. “In 2016 more than 52% of murder victims (73% killed by guns) in America were black, even though black people make up 13% of the population.”

    A couple of comments on this: (1) black murder victims are killed (mostly) by other blacks, a fact everyone knows, but the lefties don’t like to talk about; (2) many blacks are murdered in cities run by anti-gun black politicians. And, why is the MSM not covering last-weeks murder arrest of Al Sharpton’s ex-con, half-brother in Alabama a day after his appearances at an anti-gun rally? Rhetorical question.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2015/08/why-left-hates-guns_2.html

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  28. dearieme says:
    @El Dato
    It's racist and hypocritical not to get behind any old Black Cause, especially if you are caught getting behind some other Random Cause later.

    Because, let's face it, first solving all the Black Problems is what Really Matters.

    ” … first solving all the Black Problems is what Really Matters.” True.

    Thank God you said ‘first solving’ and not ‘finally solving’.

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  29. dearieme says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m not wholly opposed to this idea.
     
    LOL AND AGREED. It'd be one of those win/wins the corporate big shots are always going on about.

    Your witty sarcasm comes out best at this time in the morning, Steve. Make it a Jackson per appropriation instead of a nickle, though, and have it all accumlate in the United Negro College Fund. "Sagging pants on a white man are a terrible thing to waste." No, wait, "This is your mind... this is your mind on drugs. Scrambled brains are a terrible thing to waste. Pass the salt and pepper."

    “I’m not wholly opposed to this idea.”

    That’s worthy of making you a British citizen. How does “Sir Steven Sailer” appeal to you as a name?

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    You're assuming they wouldn't detain and deport his ass before he got knighted. After that, well, they don't deport Knights, do they?

    "I dub thee, Xir Lancelot, defender of Cuck Island and Crown of the Knights who say Coocoo!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e2kaQqxmQ0
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  30. iffen says:

    I’m not wholly opposed to this idea.

    It’s time to get serious.

    Push for absolute rigid quotas in every economic and social activity. A lesser benefit of this would be that “race” would have to have a legal definition.

    Also revive and push for Ebonics.

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  31. anon[179] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s not entirely true. Al Sharpton’s half-brother was at the March For Our Lives.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/al-sharptons-half-brother-charged-in-murder-after-marching-against-guns

    Even after all that I’ve seen, it’s kind of astonishing to me that this isn’t a bigger story.

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  32. JMcG says:

    Not wholly opposed.
    From your lips to God’s ears. By the way, you are posting too much for me to keep up with. Take it easy, we need you around for a long time yet.

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    By the way, you are posting too much for me to keep up with.
     
    Never ask Steve to slow down--it just makes him speed up even more.

    He's like some kind of Whirling Dervish of Noticing.

    https://magiccards.info/scans/en/sus/15.jpg
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  33. Nice NiceWhites pretend to believe
    That “Repeal #2!” will relieve
    All the blood in the ‘hood.
    Let it be understood:
    The Wakandans are not so naive.

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  34. tyrone says:

    so… we can have a one drop rule to say “don’t shoot” or a paper bag test .

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  35. @CCZ
    No need to worry about this, David Hogg is a good-white who is protecting blacks.

    David Hogg told Axios [media] founder Mike Allen that his high school feels "like a prison" since the shooting last month, with "hundreds of police officers" patrolling the campus.

    He said this is a problem because the police are racist against black students: "What I'm very concerned about is the racial disparity between white and black students. For example, black students get suspended at a rate three times higher than white students."

    "When you have all these new police officers and resource officers coming into schools, what I'm worried is going to happen is we're going to increase the school-to-prison pipeline, which disproportionately affects students of color and lower social status," Hogg warned.

    "And the other thing that is terrifying to me is, many of these students when they get into prison.... They can't get a job and have to commit to a life of crime," he added.

    The biggest mistake the media made when covering the Parkland shooting was: "Not giving black students a voice. My school is about 25% black, but the way we're covered doesn't reflect that."
     
    Note: National Center for Education Statistics says high school 12% black.

    Yeah, but they probably draw about 25% of the attention.

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  36. @eah

    OK, after reading 50% of that Occidental Observer article whilst Bon Jovi is playing in my head I still must point out, on behalf of the unz socialist crowd “Yeah, but they’ve got SINGLE-PAYER. SINGLE-PAYER, people, the envy of the rest of the industrialized world! SINGLE-FREAKING-PAYER!”

    OK, just to get Bon Jovi back out of my head, and this back on topic, I present KISS (not really their best, by any means):

    Now, to get THAT song out of my head, The Dead can remake anybody’s any song, as they were the penultimate, hell the decaultimate, All-American band:

    Don’t worry, that guy moves his head out of the way of the camera by about 1 minute in. Jerry plays lead after a couple of minutes.

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    I do not think that word means what you think it means.
    , @Mishra

    they were the penultimate, hell the decaultimate
     
    Words really don't mean what they used to, do they?

    Many appear to mean nothing at all nowadays.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlN3c_-oc3s
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  37. Is the new movement against gun violence that is sweeping America too white and too rich? … some ask why they didn’t turn out for the Black Lives Matter movement, which was set up in 2013 to end police violence against black people and highlight the impact of gun violence in ethnic minority communities.

    Wait a minute: didn’t BLM start when the cops shot an unarmed man? So now they want to disarm the rest of us, too? WTF?

    I suspect that what black people really want is some extension of intellectual property rights law so that every time a white person says a black catchphrase, or dances a black step, or wears his pants baggy or whatever, he has to pay a nickel into a fund that will be shared out among all black people.

    I’m not wholly opposed to this idea.

    Me either. It would discourage whites from acting black.

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  38. “Is Gun Control Movement Too White?”

    Isn’t everything too white?

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  39. IMO, Steve, your best one-line kicker ever. Would have thrown fist in the air, but dat baby need a new pair o’ shoes.

    Aw damn.

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    Oh no you d'int! Ain't no one got time fo dat.
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  40. Barnard says:
    @27 year old
    Are the fathers German men or "german men"?

    I’m sure it is “german men” considering most of the mothers are “german women.”

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  41. CCZ says:

    Oh, the irony! Media reports on a black person participating in local “March For Our Lives.”

    “Al Sharpton’s half-brother charged in murder after marching against guns.”

    March 27, 2018

    “The half-brother of Rev. Al Sharpton, Kenneth Glasgow of Dothan, Alabama, also an activist whose group participated in Saturday’s anti-gun March For Our Lives, has been charged in a Sunday shooting death in Dothan, AL.”

    http://www.wsfa.com/story/37811501/activist-rev-kenneth-glasgow-among-2-charged-with-capital-murder

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    Yeah, but Saturday and Sunday are different days.
    What are you, racist?
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  42. @polskijoe
    Questions for Americans:

    a)Do whites usually buy guns legally? How about blacks?
    b)If they grabbed all the guns it would be likely taking it from legally?
    c)How would they find the guns hidden by gangs and others?
    d)Is there a solution to the "gun problem" in USA? A moderate position?

    polskijoe, I largely agree with istevefan. A few additional details:

    a) whites: usually; blacks: not so much

    b) This question didn’t translate well to English, but I think you are asking if it is legal to confiscate guns. The answer is basically no unless you are convicted of a felony or have a vindictive ex-wife. Of course, since blacks are disproportionately felons this should mean a lot of blacks getting disarmed, but the Progressive gun grabbers want to disarm whites not blacks, so this is problem for the Progs. (They like armed blacks. They plan to use them against armed whites.) So the Progs are trying to get the Second Amendment repealed or at least invalidated, so all guns will become illegal, then, like with most laws, they will only enforce it against whites.

    c) Unfortunately, if you buy a gun legally from a licensed dealer, the dealer has to register the purchase with the Federal government, so there is a Federal list of legal gun owners, or at least those who have bought guns legally. The government would go house-to-house with this list demanding you give them your gun(s) or tell them to whom you gave/sold it. This is the Left’s wet dream come true. As mentioned already, they don’t care about (illegal) black and brown gang guns, so those would remain, they don’t even need to hide them.

    d) The current laws are the “moderate position”: felons can’t buy guns, upstanding citizens can. Of course, the Left views any moderate position as just a stepping stone to their extreme position, so one minute after you reach any moderate compromise with them, they immediately begin painting it as intolerable, racist, Nazi, etc. so that they can make the next “compromise” on the way to their communist tyranny-utopia.

    I assume you are Polish, so I assume you already know: never trust the Left. Never, never, never, never.

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    Very well stated!
    , @Mishra
    Agreed entirely, with one tiny edit:

    Progressive gun grabbers want to disarm whites not blacks, so this is problem for the Progs. (They like armed blacks. They plan to use them against armed whites.)
     
    This 'plan' has been in force for over fifty years now.
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  43. @eah

    The fact that about 25% of British doctors are foreign-educated does at least show that working for the National Health system is still seen overseas as a desirable destination when there are so many other countries recruiting qualified doctors.

    The guy in the story sounds like Britain’s answer to Larry Nassar.

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  44. Vis says:

    You guys beat me to it—every black person I know has a gun, and the ones I work with are a mix of ‘talented tenth’ and ‘hard working but pretty dumb’ types. Revealed preference, I suppose.

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  45. theMann says:
    @Svigor
    Is it really sweeping America? Or just the hysterical, anti-American (((Big Media))) and usual suspects?

    a)Do whites usually buy guns legally? How about blacks?
    b)If they grabbed all the guns it would be likely taking it from legally?
    c)How would they find the guns hidden by gangs and others?
    d)Is there a solution to the “gun problem” in USA? A moderate position?
     
    a) Yes, of course. Yes, unless you count "straw sales" as illegal, but generally blacks are much more into illegal guns.

    b) Huh?

    c) The same way they find them now.

    d) Yes; repatriate Blacks, anyone who immigrated post-1964, and their descendants. Sure, respect the Constitution.

    I dont see any of your solutions happening, but it is nice to see so many people wake up to the fact that “gun control ” is just a euphemism for “disarm Whitey”.

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  46. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Been
    Is this true? Maybe I ought to give this Trump guy a second look after all!

    Yes true. Meeting with Feinstein and Chucky Schemer Trump demanded an end to due process to take guns. Feinstein had a special moment.

    Trump is a cuck. Not even Bush went that far.

    I’d rather not get Reginald Denny ed. Time comes I want to take some with me.

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  47. The real face of the Repeal The 2nd Amendment March is a Democrat Baby Boomer wearing a pussyhat to feel young and hip again. It looks like this:

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  48. @Sajmon
    Steve, do you remember The Million Mom March in 2000? It was before Twitter and Facebook. The march drew an estimated attendance of 750,000 gun control supporters at the D.C. location (over 500,000 more than March for Our Lives).

    The Million Mom March drew less than 500,000. Those are “advocacy numbers”.

    http://www.usa2076.com/proguns/mmm.htm

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  49. Moses says:
    @Anonymous
    OT

    Incoming German baby boom!

    https://www.destatis.de/DE/PresseService/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2018/03/PD18_115_122.html

    The combined fertility rate in 2016 was 1.59 children per woman. This is the highest value since 1973 and significantly higher than in 2015 (1.50 children per woman). In the case of German women, the birth rate increased from 1.43 children per woman in 2015 to 1.46 children per woman in 2016. For women of foreign nationality, she increased from 1.95 to 2.28 children per woman.
     

    Ethnic German and non-ethnic “German” breakdown please.

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  50. Forbes says:
    @CCZ
    No need to worry about this, David Hogg is a good-white who is protecting blacks.

    David Hogg told Axios [media] founder Mike Allen that his high school feels "like a prison" since the shooting last month, with "hundreds of police officers" patrolling the campus.

    He said this is a problem because the police are racist against black students: "What I'm very concerned about is the racial disparity between white and black students. For example, black students get suspended at a rate three times higher than white students."

    "When you have all these new police officers and resource officers coming into schools, what I'm worried is going to happen is we're going to increase the school-to-prison pipeline, which disproportionately affects students of color and lower social status," Hogg warned.

    "And the other thing that is terrifying to me is, many of these students when they get into prison.... They can't get a job and have to commit to a life of crime," he added.

    The biggest mistake the media made when covering the Parkland shooting was: "Not giving black students a voice. My school is about 25% black, but the way we're covered doesn't reflect that."
     
    Note: National Center for Education Statistics says high school 12% black.

    This Hogg fella has the Dem talking points memorized…

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  51. Forbes says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Is the new movement against gun violence that is sweeping America too white and too rich?
     
    Better question:

    Is the orchestrated movement against gun rights that is endangering America too (((white))) and too (((rich))) ?
     

    https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5595a10a6bb3f7b62ea73318-750-563.jpg

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/02/08/21/30FFC5AE00000578-0-image-a-62_1454966053925.jpg

    http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2016/160615_CRIME_michael-bloomberg.jpg.CROP.promo-xlarge2.jpg

    When guns are confiscated, will Bloomberg’s bodyguards be disarmed?

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  52. @eah
    black catchphrase

    The provenance of a particular "catchphrase" might be a problem, but you could start putting together a list of candidates.

    And since there's no evidence that eg the wheel was invented independently in Africa, at least in sub-Saharan Africa, Blacks would have to pay into a fund every time they used anything with a wheel.

    "I’m not wholly opposed to this idea."

    https://twitter.com/StudentDrKendra/status/978599859283546113

    People could very well die as a result of this (and countless other) med school’s indulgence. As a college student in his final semester still hanging on to parents’ health insurance, I am deathly afraid of running into such a “doctor” in the future.

    How explicitly can I state that I’d prefer a white (ideally Jewish) doctor without causing a brouhaha? Is it common for people to make such demands in a hospital?

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  53. Forbes says:
    @istevefan

    Is the new movement against gun violence that is sweeping America too white and too rich?
     
    Yes.

    It’s a question hotly debated on social media … Protesters are being accused of hypocrisy, as some ask why they didn’t turn out for the Black Lives Matter movement, which was set up in 2013 to end police violence against black people and highlight the impact of gun violence in ethnic minority communities.
     
    That is complete BS. First, BLM was all about cops killing blacks regardless of whether they used a gun. For example, the guy in NY who died of a heart attack did so because the cops were aggressively trying to cuff him. Then you had the guy in Baltimore who was killed because the cops slammed him around the back of the van by deliberately driving in a manner to cause him injury. These killings had nothing to do with guns.

    Second, recall that when BLM was protesting the relatively few cop killings of blacks, people were asking BLM why they did not also protest the 600 or so black-on-black homicides in Chicago or other urban areas too. BLM and the media claimed it was racist to bring this up. If anything it is BLM who are hypocrites for not protesting black gun crime. Additionally white liberals are also hypocrites because they too ignore black gun crime and focus only on guns when a white shooter is involved.

    And don’t point out that more whites than blacks are killed by cops, despite blacks proclivity to violent crime at 7x that of whites…

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  54. @Anonymous
    OT

    Incoming German baby boom!

    https://www.destatis.de/DE/PresseService/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2018/03/PD18_115_122.html

    The combined fertility rate in 2016 was 1.59 children per woman. This is the highest value since 1973 and significantly higher than in 2015 (1.50 children per woman). In the case of German women, the birth rate increased from 1.43 children per woman in 2015 to 1.46 children per woman in 2016. For women of foreign nationality, she increased from 1.95 to 2.28 children per woman.
     

    Yikes! That press release is scary.

    In 2011, births to foreign mothers was 17.0% of total births. That figure increased to 23.3% in 2016. That’s bad, but if you look at what’s driving that increase, you see that it’s Muslims and, possibly, Roma.

    Here are the birth numbers (in thousands) by mother’s country of origin for 2011 and 2016.

    2011 2016
    Afghanistan 1.3 5.9
    Iraq 2.6 5.5
    Romanian 2.7 10.5
    Syria 1.1 18.5
    Turkey 23.2 21.8

    Total 30.9 62.2

    % of Total Births 4.7% 7.9%

    Way to go Merkel. You doubled the number of trouble makers in your society in just five years. That’s not easy.

    I wonder what percent of births are to German citizens who aren’t white but are still counted as “German” because of their citizenship? Probably not too high, but there have to be some. Also, what about ethnic German moms who have the baby of some Arab or African guy. Those births would also be counted as “German.”

    My guess is that non-white births easily account for more than 10% of births in Germany. Nothing compared to the United States or England, but still not good for ethnic Germans. Also, like blacks, you don’t need a whole lot of Muslims (or Roma) as a % of the population for it to cause major societal problems.

    Good luck Germany. You better stop the bleeding fast because another decade of this and you’re in a serious world of hurt.

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  55. Corn says:
    @CCZ
    No need to worry about this, David Hogg is a good-white who is protecting blacks.

    David Hogg told Axios [media] founder Mike Allen that his high school feels "like a prison" since the shooting last month, with "hundreds of police officers" patrolling the campus.

    He said this is a problem because the police are racist against black students: "What I'm very concerned about is the racial disparity between white and black students. For example, black students get suspended at a rate three times higher than white students."

    "When you have all these new police officers and resource officers coming into schools, what I'm worried is going to happen is we're going to increase the school-to-prison pipeline, which disproportionately affects students of color and lower social status," Hogg warned.

    "And the other thing that is terrifying to me is, many of these students when they get into prison.... They can't get a job and have to commit to a life of crime," he added.

    The biggest mistake the media made when covering the Parkland shooting was: "Not giving black students a voice. My school is about 25% black, but the way we're covered doesn't reflect that."
     
    Note: National Center for Education Statistics says high school 12% black.

    This little Hogg may not be drooling idiot level IQ, but he surely has handlers. What Democratic talking point from the last twenty years has he NOT brought up on Twitter or in an interview at some point?

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  56. @polskijoe
    Questions for Americans:

    a)Do whites usually buy guns legally? How about blacks?
    b)If they grabbed all the guns it would be likely taking it from legally?
    c)How would they find the guns hidden by gangs and others?
    d)Is there a solution to the "gun problem" in USA? A moderate position?

    a) Depends. Most whites buy guns legally, although obviously criminal whites tend to do so criminally. Some blacks also buy guns legally, it’s perfectly legal so long as they don’t have felony records. I do not know the real numbers so you’d have to look them up, but as a personal bias, I would have to say the number of legal white guns certainly drastically dwarfs the number of illegal ones. With blacks, I don’t know but I would at least consider that the ratio may be substantially tilted in the other direction, whether the numbers of illegal guns owned by gang bangers is smaller or larger than the number of black people legally armed I couldn’t tell you.

    b) Grabbing the legal guns obviously. The illegal guns are already “grabbed” because they are illegal, but obviously the government cannot find them to grab. The political issue is legal guns, not illegal ones. Since illegal guns are already ‘grabbable’ any new laws about grabbing guns would have to be targeting previously legal ones, or else just be redundant fluff where politicians try to take credit for the fact you haven’t been blown up by a grenade launcher.

    c) They wouldn’t, and they don’t. They only find the ones on people they are already arresting for something else, which then get grabbed, but obviously they have no divining rod to lead them to the rest.

    d) No. Not any more than there is a solution to the ‘murder problem’ or the ‘thieving problem’.

    One thing you have to remember is the news media, in all western countries, has it’s own agenda, and it hates guns. What foreigners hear about the problems with guns and violence in the US is what the media wants them to hear in order to shape their opinions. That is the power of the media, if the media starts covering hurricanes more frequently, people typically think hurricanes are happening more frequently, not that the media is just covering them more. So take reports of life in America (or any other country) with a grain of salt if it’s coming through any biased media, and all media have their own biases.

    Another thing you have to remember is that firearms are what, 12th century technology? At it’s most basic a gun is just a pipe with a handle and a plug on the back with a tiny hole in it. The handle, while ergonomic, is not strictly necessary. It’s not like there aren’t already black-market manufacturers of knock-off guns. There are.

    Plus there are already so many firearms in the US, and so many people (like myself) who would sooner bury them in tupperware in the back yard than give them to the government, and so many of them unregistered in any way.

    You can make gun laws and enforce them on criminals. But the criminals are already in violation of the law. If you want to make sure that bank robber stays in jail, instead of tacking on gun crimes they could just make the sentence for bank robbery longer. The only real purpose of gun laws is to enforce them on non-criminals who only have the gun for self-defense and haven’t even used it and won’t use it. Since these people haven’t already done something else illegal with the gun, they are really the only people the government needs new gun laws to target. Don’t kid yourself, they’re the target.

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    Agreed, but note wrt:

    Some blacks also buy guns legally, it’s perfectly legal so long as they don’t have felony records.
     
    Laws prohibiting felons from buying guns will be struck down via 'disparate impact' provisions.
    , @Jim Don Bob

    What foreigners hear about the problems with guns and violence in the US is what the media wants them to hear ...
     
    Most foreigners get their US new from CNN.
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  57. @Sajmon
    Steve, do you remember The Million Mom March in 2000? It was before Twitter and Facebook. The march drew an estimated attendance of 750,000 gun control supporters at the D.C. location (over 500,000 more than March for Our Lives).

    Well I personally vaguely remember it. Rosie ODonnell was there, snarling at the crowd with the same old talking points we still hear.

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  58. @istevefan

    Is the new movement against gun violence that is sweeping America too white and too rich?
     
    Yes.

    It’s a question hotly debated on social media … Protesters are being accused of hypocrisy, as some ask why they didn’t turn out for the Black Lives Matter movement, which was set up in 2013 to end police violence against black people and highlight the impact of gun violence in ethnic minority communities.
     
    That is complete BS. First, BLM was all about cops killing blacks regardless of whether they used a gun. For example, the guy in NY who died of a heart attack did so because the cops were aggressively trying to cuff him. Then you had the guy in Baltimore who was killed because the cops slammed him around the back of the van by deliberately driving in a manner to cause him injury. These killings had nothing to do with guns.

    Second, recall that when BLM was protesting the relatively few cop killings of blacks, people were asking BLM why they did not also protest the 600 or so black-on-black homicides in Chicago or other urban areas too. BLM and the media claimed it was racist to bring this up. If anything it is BLM who are hypocrites for not protesting black gun crime. Additionally white liberals are also hypocrites because they too ignore black gun crime and focus only on guns when a white shooter is involved.

    And, as in the case of Stephon Clark in Sacramento, the question of the role of blacks in police shootings is never asked. Systemic racism is an incomplete answer for this complex problem. African American culture must also be part of the equation.

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    And, as in the case of Stephon Clark in Sacramento, the question of the role of blacks in police shootings is never asked. Systemic racism is an incomplete answer for this complex problem. African American culture must also be part of the equation.
     
    This Clark Clown was 22, already had a felony for being a pimp. Two misdemeanor domestic abuse convictions and an assault charge. None of this you will learn listening to the MSM. Just that he was unarmed and negro.

    The cops are aware they got a 50,50 chance of chasing a felon if it's a negro guy, so they shoot first and ax questions later with a dark one....

    White chick, they don't shoot. Checking her out and evaluating whether to hit on her. Same with asian chicks.

    White or asian guys; it depends on the situation as to whether to shoot, but it's trending shoot first....
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  59. “Assuming they repealed the 2nd Amendment, or got another justice on the Supreme Court to rule that the 2nd Amendment is not an individual right to own a gun, then yes they would probably end up disarming people who had legally purchased their guns. However, with the millions of legal gun owners in America, it wouldn’t take many to start an insurrection.”

    This is a fantasy. The Authorities would visit legal gun owners one by one, and one by one those gun owners would decide that the thing to do would be to let someone else start the insurrection because they personally have wives, kids, and jobs.

    Remember that dude that shot up some congressmen? The very people who talk endlessly about how the ability of the people to engage in armed revolt is the keystone of freedom were shocked, shocked, shocked that someone actually went ahead and did it. And note that the guy who did actually take a shot at a congressman was a berniebro, a liberal.

    But it’s all academic. The 2nd amendment will never be repealed. Not De Jure, anyway.

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    The Authorities would visit legal gun owners one by one, and one by one those gun owners would decide that the thing to do would be to let someone else start the insurrection because they personally have wives, kids, and jobs.
     
    Most probably would just surrender. BUT, there will be ones that won't; and no way for the gun grabbers to know which is which. So after a couple get snuffed in an ambush they walked into, see how many are going to volunteer to visit the next one on the list...they'll show up in a tank, kill innocents and that will send the message to resist to the rest of us.

    Civil War time!

    That's probably how it will start; once you realize your prior life situation no longer exists and they want all of you 'deplorables' either in a fenced prison or dead...

    , @Jim Don Bob
    Here is Kurt Schlichter's take on what might happen if TPTB decided to disarm Americans: https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/03/12/why-democrats-would-lose-the-second-civil-war-too-n2459833

    Soy boys, cat ladies, and hip-hop NAMs won't do well against millions of American who have long guns and know how to hunt.
    , @Jack Hanson
    We are not all Aussies, to LARP as individual rugged pioneers and then turn in our guns because someone cries on TV.
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  60. gunner29 says:
    @polskijoe
    Questions for Americans:

    a)Do whites usually buy guns legally? How about blacks?
    b)If they grabbed all the guns it would be likely taking it from legally?
    c)How would they find the guns hidden by gangs and others?
    d)Is there a solution to the "gun problem" in USA? A moderate position?

    d)Is there a solution to the “gun problem” in USA? A moderate position?

    20 years ago a book came out; More Guns, Less Crime. John Lott was the author, he examined the gun laws and crime in all 3300 or so counties in the US.

    Found that the more restrictions on guns, the more crime in that county. So Cook county Illinois, where Chicago is, basically prohibited guns and it was open season on the law abiding part of the population.

    Obvious reason was a criminal type doesn’t want to be surprised by a legal gun owner during a mugging, assault, or breaking into your home or business. If only 10% are armed, it’s not going to be many crimes before they meet up with the business end of a gun. And the likely end of their criminal career; either dead or in prison for a couple of decades.

    So the criminals leave that county and go practice their shit in the ones that disarm their victims.

    Even the room temp IQ criminals are bright enough to only ‘work’ where the chances of getting shot are low. There was an upscale town in Georgia at the time that passed an ordinance that every home had to own a gun. I doubt it was enforced, but the word got around to the criminals and they pretty much quit going there.

    Other thing would be eliminate this ‘Gun free zone’ bull. It’s an invitation for a mass killer. The huge advantage concealed gun carry has is the criminals don’t know whom to shoot first. Uniformed guard; take them out first.

    There are a couple of hundred peeps left after the uniformed guy is down, so who is the biggest threat that gets it next? Not an easy answer to the perp, and if he pays attention to one or two, there could be another ten that are going for their guns to take out the criminal. If you’re 20 feet away, with your back to me, I can put a couple in the back of your head with no problem. I practice at 75 feet and try to put them in a 4 inch group. So it’s not impossible, cops tho, are the worst shots around….

    This is why armed teachers makes so much sense. The teachers recognize each other, know which are armed so they aren’t shooting each other. They are also already in the building, so no having to get the courage up to enter and confront somebody. And being already there, there is no response delay of 10 minutes or more until the cops can get there, they know where the shots are coming from, how many, know the layout of the building, can work together; that’s a really big confidence giver to have other armed peeps with you.

    The gun grabbers are certain just collect all the privately owned guns; end of problem. But they’ll never get all the guns, the borders are porous so there will be smuggling, and the knowledge of how to make guns exists.

    But the crime aspect of gun ownership is a byproduct of the 2nd amendment; being able to shoot a ‘jack booted thug’ from the gobt was the original reason…..

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  61. gunner29 says:
    @Dave form Oz
    "Assuming they repealed the 2nd Amendment, or got another justice on the Supreme Court to rule that the 2nd Amendment is not an individual right to own a gun, then yes they would probably end up disarming people who had legally purchased their guns. However, with the millions of legal gun owners in America, it wouldn’t take many to start an insurrection."

    This is a fantasy. The Authorities would visit legal gun owners one by one, and one by one those gun owners would decide that the thing to do would be to let someone else start the insurrection because they personally have wives, kids, and jobs.

    Remember that dude that shot up some congressmen? The very people who talk endlessly about how the ability of the people to engage in armed revolt is the keystone of freedom were shocked, shocked, shocked that someone actually went ahead and did it. And note that the guy who did actually take a shot at a congressman was a berniebro, a liberal.

    But it's all academic. The 2nd amendment will never be repealed. Not De Jure, anyway.

    The Authorities would visit legal gun owners one by one, and one by one those gun owners would decide that the thing to do would be to let someone else start the insurrection because they personally have wives, kids, and jobs.

    Most probably would just surrender. BUT, there will be ones that won’t; and no way for the gun grabbers to know which is which. So after a couple get snuffed in an ambush they walked into, see how many are going to volunteer to visit the next one on the list…they’ll show up in a tank, kill innocents and that will send the message to resist to the rest of us.

    Civil War time!

    That’s probably how it will start; once you realize your prior life situation no longer exists and they want all of you ‘deplorables’ either in a fenced prison or dead…

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    Canadian iStevers pleases correct what I get wrong but back in the ‘90s the Canadian government put a law into effect -C68- in order to register all firearms in Canada, not just pistols or “assault” rifles etc. The law was scrapped in 2012 or 2013, with the reasons given being expense and low compliance.

    The government can do alot of things to chip away at gun rights but if universal registration didn’t fly in laid back “obey the rules” Canada, it will tank here.
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  62. Jason Liu says:

    I live in an diverse city and every time there’s a protest of any kind, it’s disproportionately white people. You people got too much time on your hands. Apathy isn’t always a bad thing, you know.

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  63. JMcG says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    OK, after reading 50% of that Occidental Observer article whilst Bon Jovi is playing in my head I still must point out, on behalf of the unz socialist crowd "Yeah, but they've got SINGLE-PAYER. SINGLE-PAYER, people, the envy of the rest of the industrialized world! SINGLE-FREAKING-PAYER!"

    OK, just to get Bon Jovi back out of my head, and this back on topic, I present KISS (not really their best, by any means):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDTE8DpkKE4

    Now, to get THAT song out of my head, The Dead can remake anybody's any song, as they were the penultimate, hell the decaultimate, All-American band:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBqli3KJN2Q

    Don't worry, that guy moves his head out of the way of the camera by about 1 minute in. Jerry plays lead after a couple of minutes.

    I do not think that word means what you think it means.

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  64. Berty says:

    I’m all for this. Nothing would help the cause of gun rights more that turning the opposition into a bunch of screaming rioting blacks.

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  65. JMcG says:
    @Almost Missouri
    polskijoe, I largely agree with istevefan. A few additional details:

    a) whites: usually; blacks: not so much

    b) This question didn't translate well to English, but I think you are asking if it is legal to confiscate guns. The answer is basically no unless you are convicted of a felony or have a vindictive ex-wife. Of course, since blacks are disproportionately felons this should mean a lot of blacks getting disarmed, but the Progressive gun grabbers want to disarm whites not blacks, so this is problem for the Progs. (They like armed blacks. They plan to use them against armed whites.) So the Progs are trying to get the Second Amendment repealed or at least invalidated, so all guns will become illegal, then, like with most laws, they will only enforce it against whites.

    c) Unfortunately, if you buy a gun legally from a licensed dealer, the dealer has to register the purchase with the Federal government, so there is a Federal list of legal gun owners, or at least those who have bought guns legally. The government would go house-to-house with this list demanding you give them your gun(s) or tell them to whom you gave/sold it. This is the Left's wet dream come true. As mentioned already, they don't care about (illegal) black and brown gang guns, so those would remain, they don't even need to hide them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OaF-j8x5Vc

    d) The current laws are the "moderate position": felons can't buy guns, upstanding citizens can. Of course, the Left views any moderate position as just a stepping stone to their extreme position, so one minute after you reach any moderate compromise with them, they immediately begin painting it as intolerable, racist, Nazi, etc. so that they can make the next "compromise" on the way to their communist tyranny-utopia.

    I assume you are Polish, so I assume you already know: never trust the Left. Never, never, never, never.

    Very well stated!

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  66. Olorin says:

    Is the new movement against gun violence that is sweeping America too white and too rich?

    I presume the only possible answer is “yes,” otherwise Georgina Rannard would have to sell herself in a more meaty medium than Ma Beeb.

    Look for her on an Econ faculty near you. Maybe. That’s a lot like work sometimes. Though LGBT problems in Kyrgyzstan may have enough Ys, Ks, and Zs to warrant a hefty triple-word score on the Ed Biz Hiring Scrabble board.

    https://www.undispatch.com/author/georgina-rannard/

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  67. Mishra says:
    @CCZ
    "Is the orchestrated movement against gun rights that is endangering America too (((white))) and too (((rich))) ?"

    Isn't there a third adjective, the one that can not be spoken, that belongs in that question?

    The one “which cannot be spoken” is amply signified therein.
    So what the F are you babbling about now?

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  68. Gringo says:

    BBC:
    “Is the new movement against gun violence that is sweeping America too white and too rich?”

    Some hours ago I made a comment with links, which has resulted in my comment either being spammed or not yet approved. I will therefore try a reprise of my previous comment -without links.

    Compared to whites, blacks are much more likely than whites to be both victims of murder and of gun violence and also much more likely to be murder offenders and gun violence offenders. (In non-legalese, “offenders” here translates to murderers or perpetrators of gun violence.)

    Black households are also less likely to have guns than white households. In 2014, the Pew Research Center informed us that 41% of “Non-Hispanic white” households reported someone in their household owned a gun, compared to 19% of black households. In 2017, the Pew Research Center informed us that 49% of white households reported someone in their household owned a gun, compared to 32% of black households.

    I will leave the difference between 2017 and 2017 figures to another discussion.

    Perhaps blacks, realizing that blacks are less likely to own guns but also much more likely to either murder or be murdered, don’t see the point of restricting gun ownership.

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  69. Mishra says:
    @JMcG
    Not wholly opposed.
    From your lips to God’s ears. By the way, you are posting too much for me to keep up with. Take it easy, we need you around for a long time yet.

    By the way, you are posting too much for me to keep up with.

    Never ask Steve to slow down–it just makes him speed up even more.

    He’s like some kind of Whirling Dervish of Noticing.

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  70. Mishra says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    OK, after reading 50% of that Occidental Observer article whilst Bon Jovi is playing in my head I still must point out, on behalf of the unz socialist crowd "Yeah, but they've got SINGLE-PAYER. SINGLE-PAYER, people, the envy of the rest of the industrialized world! SINGLE-FREAKING-PAYER!"

    OK, just to get Bon Jovi back out of my head, and this back on topic, I present KISS (not really their best, by any means):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDTE8DpkKE4

    Now, to get THAT song out of my head, The Dead can remake anybody's any song, as they were the penultimate, hell the decaultimate, All-American band:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBqli3KJN2Q

    Don't worry, that guy moves his head out of the way of the camera by about 1 minute in. Jerry plays lead after a couple of minutes.

    they were the penultimate, hell the decaultimate

    Words really don’t mean what they used to, do they?

    Many appear to mean nothing at all nowadays.

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  71. Mishra says:
    @schnellandine
    IMO, Steve, your best one-line kicker ever. Would have thrown fist in the air, but dat baby need a new pair o' shoes.

    Aw damn.

    Oh no you d’int! Ain’t no one got time fo dat.

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  72. Mishra says:
    @CCZ
    Oh, the irony! Media reports on a black person participating in local "March For Our Lives."

    "Al Sharpton’s half-brother charged in murder after marching against guns."

    March 27, 2018

    "The half-brother of Rev. Al Sharpton, Kenneth Glasgow of Dothan, Alabama, also an activist whose group participated in Saturday’s anti-gun March For Our Lives, has been charged in a Sunday shooting death in Dothan, AL."

    http://www.wsfa.com/story/37811501/activist-rev-kenneth-glasgow-among-2-charged-with-capital-murder

    Yeah, but Saturday and Sunday are different days.
    What are you, racist?

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  73. Mishra says:
    @Almost Missouri
    polskijoe, I largely agree with istevefan. A few additional details:

    a) whites: usually; blacks: not so much

    b) This question didn't translate well to English, but I think you are asking if it is legal to confiscate guns. The answer is basically no unless you are convicted of a felony or have a vindictive ex-wife. Of course, since blacks are disproportionately felons this should mean a lot of blacks getting disarmed, but the Progressive gun grabbers want to disarm whites not blacks, so this is problem for the Progs. (They like armed blacks. They plan to use them against armed whites.) So the Progs are trying to get the Second Amendment repealed or at least invalidated, so all guns will become illegal, then, like with most laws, they will only enforce it against whites.

    c) Unfortunately, if you buy a gun legally from a licensed dealer, the dealer has to register the purchase with the Federal government, so there is a Federal list of legal gun owners, or at least those who have bought guns legally. The government would go house-to-house with this list demanding you give them your gun(s) or tell them to whom you gave/sold it. This is the Left's wet dream come true. As mentioned already, they don't care about (illegal) black and brown gang guns, so those would remain, they don't even need to hide them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OaF-j8x5Vc

    d) The current laws are the "moderate position": felons can't buy guns, upstanding citizens can. Of course, the Left views any moderate position as just a stepping stone to their extreme position, so one minute after you reach any moderate compromise with them, they immediately begin painting it as intolerable, racist, Nazi, etc. so that they can make the next "compromise" on the way to their communist tyranny-utopia.

    I assume you are Polish, so I assume you already know: never trust the Left. Never, never, never, never.

    Agreed entirely, with one tiny edit:

    Progressive gun grabbers want to disarm whites not blacks, so this is problem for the Progs. (They like armed blacks. They plan to use them against armed whites.)

    This ‘plan’ has been in force for over fifty years now.

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    https://youtu.be/NafrFdBXfrk

    There was a clearer yootoob vid of this in the old days that showed its National Lampoon origins, but it's undoubtedly been memory holed because of its title: "Pull the Trigger Ni**ers".

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  74. Mishra says:
    @Lars Porsena
    a) Depends. Most whites buy guns legally, although obviously criminal whites tend to do so criminally. Some blacks also buy guns legally, it's perfectly legal so long as they don't have felony records. I do not know the real numbers so you'd have to look them up, but as a personal bias, I would have to say the number of legal white guns certainly drastically dwarfs the number of illegal ones. With blacks, I don't know but I would at least consider that the ratio may be substantially tilted in the other direction, whether the numbers of illegal guns owned by gang bangers is smaller or larger than the number of black people legally armed I couldn't tell you.

    b) Grabbing the legal guns obviously. The illegal guns are already "grabbed" because they are illegal, but obviously the government cannot find them to grab. The political issue is legal guns, not illegal ones. Since illegal guns are already 'grabbable' any new laws about grabbing guns would have to be targeting previously legal ones, or else just be redundant fluff where politicians try to take credit for the fact you haven't been blown up by a grenade launcher.

    c) They wouldn't, and they don't. They only find the ones on people they are already arresting for something else, which then get grabbed, but obviously they have no divining rod to lead them to the rest.

    d) No. Not any more than there is a solution to the 'murder problem' or the 'thieving problem'.

    One thing you have to remember is the news media, in all western countries, has it's own agenda, and it hates guns. What foreigners hear about the problems with guns and violence in the US is what the media wants them to hear in order to shape their opinions. That is the power of the media, if the media starts covering hurricanes more frequently, people typically think hurricanes are happening more frequently, not that the media is just covering them more. So take reports of life in America (or any other country) with a grain of salt if it's coming through any biased media, and all media have their own biases.

    Another thing you have to remember is that firearms are what, 12th century technology? At it's most basic a gun is just a pipe with a handle and a plug on the back with a tiny hole in it. The handle, while ergonomic, is not strictly necessary. It's not like there aren't already black-market manufacturers of knock-off guns. There are.

    Plus there are already so many firearms in the US, and so many people (like myself) who would sooner bury them in tupperware in the back yard than give them to the government, and so many of them unregistered in any way.

    You can make gun laws and enforce them on criminals. But the criminals are already in violation of the law. If you want to make sure that bank robber stays in jail, instead of tacking on gun crimes they could just make the sentence for bank robbery longer. The only real purpose of gun laws is to enforce them on non-criminals who only have the gun for self-defense and haven't even used it and won't use it. Since these people haven't already done something else illegal with the gun, they are really the only people the government needs new gun laws to target. Don't kid yourself, they're the target.

    Agreed, but note wrt:

    Some blacks also buy guns legally, it’s perfectly legal so long as they don’t have felony records.

    Laws prohibiting felons from buying guns will be struck down via ‘disparate impact’ provisions.

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    New progressive slogan:

    “Felons can’t have guns, so neither should you!”
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  75. @Lars Porsena
    a) Depends. Most whites buy guns legally, although obviously criminal whites tend to do so criminally. Some blacks also buy guns legally, it's perfectly legal so long as they don't have felony records. I do not know the real numbers so you'd have to look them up, but as a personal bias, I would have to say the number of legal white guns certainly drastically dwarfs the number of illegal ones. With blacks, I don't know but I would at least consider that the ratio may be substantially tilted in the other direction, whether the numbers of illegal guns owned by gang bangers is smaller or larger than the number of black people legally armed I couldn't tell you.

    b) Grabbing the legal guns obviously. The illegal guns are already "grabbed" because they are illegal, but obviously the government cannot find them to grab. The political issue is legal guns, not illegal ones. Since illegal guns are already 'grabbable' any new laws about grabbing guns would have to be targeting previously legal ones, or else just be redundant fluff where politicians try to take credit for the fact you haven't been blown up by a grenade launcher.

    c) They wouldn't, and they don't. They only find the ones on people they are already arresting for something else, which then get grabbed, but obviously they have no divining rod to lead them to the rest.

    d) No. Not any more than there is a solution to the 'murder problem' or the 'thieving problem'.

    One thing you have to remember is the news media, in all western countries, has it's own agenda, and it hates guns. What foreigners hear about the problems with guns and violence in the US is what the media wants them to hear in order to shape their opinions. That is the power of the media, if the media starts covering hurricanes more frequently, people typically think hurricanes are happening more frequently, not that the media is just covering them more. So take reports of life in America (or any other country) with a grain of salt if it's coming through any biased media, and all media have their own biases.

    Another thing you have to remember is that firearms are what, 12th century technology? At it's most basic a gun is just a pipe with a handle and a plug on the back with a tiny hole in it. The handle, while ergonomic, is not strictly necessary. It's not like there aren't already black-market manufacturers of knock-off guns. There are.

    Plus there are already so many firearms in the US, and so many people (like myself) who would sooner bury them in tupperware in the back yard than give them to the government, and so many of them unregistered in any way.

    You can make gun laws and enforce them on criminals. But the criminals are already in violation of the law. If you want to make sure that bank robber stays in jail, instead of tacking on gun crimes they could just make the sentence for bank robbery longer. The only real purpose of gun laws is to enforce them on non-criminals who only have the gun for self-defense and haven't even used it and won't use it. Since these people haven't already done something else illegal with the gun, they are really the only people the government needs new gun laws to target. Don't kid yourself, they're the target.

    What foreigners hear about the problems with guns and violence in the US is what the media wants them to hear …

    Most foreigners get their US new from CNN.

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    Yes I understand that, it changes nothing. If you want to know about real life in America probably one of the worst things you could ever do was listen to US media.

    You may think they know what they are talking about because it's coming from the US, but honestly a number of foreign outlets probably cover the US better than the US press does despite being foreign. The press are extremely biased. It is like going to Pravda for news about life in the Soviet Union.

    I wouldn't say Pravda was useless for understanding the USSR, it was a useful source of info, but you can't take it at face value or accurate on any politically loaded issue (which is, in the midst of a kulturkampf, most everything).
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  76. @Dave form Oz
    "Assuming they repealed the 2nd Amendment, or got another justice on the Supreme Court to rule that the 2nd Amendment is not an individual right to own a gun, then yes they would probably end up disarming people who had legally purchased their guns. However, with the millions of legal gun owners in America, it wouldn’t take many to start an insurrection."

    This is a fantasy. The Authorities would visit legal gun owners one by one, and one by one those gun owners would decide that the thing to do would be to let someone else start the insurrection because they personally have wives, kids, and jobs.

    Remember that dude that shot up some congressmen? The very people who talk endlessly about how the ability of the people to engage in armed revolt is the keystone of freedom were shocked, shocked, shocked that someone actually went ahead and did it. And note that the guy who did actually take a shot at a congressman was a berniebro, a liberal.

    But it's all academic. The 2nd amendment will never be repealed. Not De Jure, anyway.

    Here is Kurt Schlichter’s take on what might happen if TPTB decided to disarm Americans: https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/03/12/why-democrats-would-lose-the-second-civil-war-too-n2459833

    Soy boys, cat ladies, and hip-hop NAMs won’t do well against millions of American who have long guns and know how to hunt.

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  77. @Anonymous
    I've worked in offices with a fair number of black women and on more than one occasion I've had opportunity to notice she had a revolver or automatic pistol in her purse. This in a suburban business building with a no guns sign on the door. The same women have gone off on "white gun nuts" and voiced support for gun control legislation, and they vote Democrat without fail, cause 'that's what they suppose to do, and they been told it.'

    The law really doesn't apply to them, and they know it. As long as they leave the guns in the car or at home when going to court, visiting their men in the joint, or at the airport, law enforcement doesn't give a shit. A black woman will cuss out a cop at a traffic stop but not shoot him. And there are not enough wonen's jail spaces to throw every black woman in town with an illegal gun in jail, not by a hundredth. Even if she's a felon the cops only bother her if she sorely pisses them off or is an obvious threat.

    The fact that they were packing never really bothered me, since generally they only shoot people who physically attack them, which I had and have no intention of doing. Further, they aren't very good at that even. But the hypocrisy galled me, until I became racially conscious and realized we are mostly dealing with eleven year olds in adult bodies. (The genuinely talentedly tenth types had much better jobs and weren't on the same floor with us stale pale slobs.)

    And there are not enough wonen’s jail spaces to throw every black woman in town with an illegal gun in jail

    And many of them wouldn’t fit in those tiny cells anyway.

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    And you can't even let them go with those ankle monitors, 'cause those won't fit neither.

    There really is no justice, is there.
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  78. Gringo says:
    @polskijoe
    Questions for Americans:

    a)Do whites usually buy guns legally? How about blacks?
    b)If they grabbed all the guns it would be likely taking it from legally?
    c)How would they find the guns hidden by gangs and others?
    d)Is there a solution to the "gun problem" in USA? A moderate position?

    d)Questions for Americans: Is there a solution to the “gun problem” in USA? A moderate position?

    African Americans Are Eight Times More Likely to Be Victims of Homicide Than Whites, Says CDC.

    During 1999–2014, a general decline in homicide trends for non-Hispanic white, non-Hispanic black, and Hispanic populations occurred, followed by a significant increase in the rates for all three groups between 2014 and 2015. In 2015, homicide rates were 5.7 deaths per 100,000 for the total population, 20.9 for non-Hispanic blacks, 4.9 for Hispanics, and 2.6 for non-Hispanic whites.

    Blacks are 8 times more likely to be murder victims than than non-Hispanic whites. At the same time, blacks are less likely to be gun owners than”non-Hispanic whites.”

    What does that tell you, that blacks own fewer guns than whites but are more likely to murder or be murdered than whites? And no, it isn’t an issue of whites murdering blacks. That tells me that there isn’t a “gun problem” in the US, but a cultural problem.

    The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world, but if you go to Wikipedia (no links to avoid the spam catcher) to look up murder rates, you find out that the US ranks about 93rd out of about 219 countries in the world for murder rate. That doesn’t tell me that there is a “gun problem” in the US.

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    I’ve stated before over the years but worth repeating: The liberal Michael Lind noted back around ‘99 or the early 2000s that if you waved a magic wand and made blacks and Hispanics disappear, the US homicide rate would drop to western European levels without changing our gun laws.

    Also can’t forget the Scots-Irish warrior ethic. Lind also pointed out if you waved the wand a second time and made white Southerners disappear, then the well armed Yankees remaining would have Japanese level homicide rates.
    , @polskijoe
    I agree there is a cultural problem in the USA.
    My thoughts are: 1960-1970 or 1980-1990 as the big hits which target Americans.
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  79. Gringo says:

    Steve, just wondering. I made a comment EIGHT AND A HALF HOURS AGO which is still being held up, yet many comments have been passed through since then. Howcum?

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  80. gunner29 says:
    @SunBakedSuburb
    And, as in the case of Stephon Clark in Sacramento, the question of the role of blacks in police shootings is never asked. Systemic racism is an incomplete answer for this complex problem. African American culture must also be part of the equation.

    And, as in the case of Stephon Clark in Sacramento, the question of the role of blacks in police shootings is never asked. Systemic racism is an incomplete answer for this complex problem. African American culture must also be part of the equation.

    This Clark Clown was 22, already had a felony for being a pimp. Two misdemeanor domestic abuse convictions and an assault charge. None of this you will learn listening to the MSM. Just that he was unarmed and negro.

    The cops are aware they got a 50,50 chance of chasing a felon if it’s a negro guy, so they shoot first and ax questions later with a dark one….

    White chick, they don’t shoot. Checking her out and evaluating whether to hit on her. Same with asian chicks.

    White or asian guys; it depends on the situation as to whether to shoot, but it’s trending shoot first….

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  81. Mishra says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    And there are not enough wonen’s jail spaces to throw every black woman in town with an illegal gun in jail
     
    And many of them wouldn't fit in those tiny cells anyway.

    And you can’t even let them go with those ankle monitors, ’cause those won’t fit neither.

    There really is no justice, is there.

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    And you can’t even let them go with those ankle monitors...
     
    They gonna tie me to whose ankle??!!

    https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/rtsojdh.jpg

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  82. @Jim Don Bob

    What foreigners hear about the problems with guns and violence in the US is what the media wants them to hear ...
     
    Most foreigners get their US new from CNN.

    Yes I understand that, it changes nothing. If you want to know about real life in America probably one of the worst things you could ever do was listen to US media.

    You may think they know what they are talking about because it’s coming from the US, but honestly a number of foreign outlets probably cover the US better than the US press does despite being foreign. The press are extremely biased. It is like going to Pravda for news about life in the Soviet Union.

    I wouldn’t say Pravda was useless for understanding the USSR, it was a useful source of info, but you can’t take it at face value or accurate on any politically loaded issue (which is, in the midst of a kulturkampf, most everything).

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  83. Gringo says:
    @polskijoe
    Questions for Americans:

    a)Do whites usually buy guns legally? How about blacks?
    b)If they grabbed all the guns it would be likely taking it from legally?
    c)How would they find the guns hidden by gangs and others?
    d)Is there a solution to the "gun problem" in USA? A moderate position?

    d)Is there a solution to the “gun problem” in USA? A moderate position?

    If we look at Europe, we find out that there is a correlation of -0.24 between gun ownership rates and murder rates. The data tells us this: the more guns in Europe, the less murder in Europe or vice versa.
    Here are the top ten countries in Europe by gun ownership rates(boldface), along with murder rates.

    Country Murder Rate Guns per 100 Residents
    Serbia 1.13 58.21
    Norway 0.56 31.3
    France 1.58 31.2
    Austria 0.51 30.4
    Germany 0.85 30.3
    Iceland 0.91 30.3
    Finland 1.6 27.3
    Switzerland 0.69 24.45
    Macedonia 1.59 24.1
    Montenegro 2.72 23.1

    Here are the top 10 countries in Europe by murder rate (boldface), along with gun ownership rate.

    Country Murder Rate Guns per 100 Residents
    Russia 11.31 8.9
    Lithuania 5.98 0.7
    Ukraine 4.36 6.6
    Latvia 4.11 19
    Belarus 3.58 7.3
    Estonia 3.2 9.2
    Moldova 3.19 7.1
    Montenegro 2.72 23.1
    Albania 2.28 8.6
    Belgium 1.95 17.2

    Montenegro is the only country in the top ten in both gun ownership rate and murder rate. Russia is first in murder rate, but 25th in gun ownership rate. Serbia is first in gun ownership rate but 20th in murder rate.Norway is 2nd in gun ownership rate but 38th- next to last- in murder rate.

    The white American murder rate of 2.6/100,000, cited in an earlier post, is lower than 8 European countries.

    Both European and American data on gun ownership rates and murder rates show us that more guns do not equate with more murder. (Pew Report surveys, linked to in a comment that is still blocked, show black households owning guns at a lower rate than white households 32% versus 49% in a 2017 survey, and 19% versus 41 % in a 2014 survey.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

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    That's an enormous difference in gun count between Lithuania and Latvia, adjacent countries with a similar language and culture.

    Haven't you heard?

    In Spain the best upper sets do it
    Lithuanians and Letts do it
    Let's do it


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z4zFI-eQdo&feature=youtu.be
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  84. Mishra says:

    A) Guns are used exclusively by white cops and other nazis to kill innocent black bodies.

    B) Gun-control rallies are white af.

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  85. Corn says:
    @gunner29

    The Authorities would visit legal gun owners one by one, and one by one those gun owners would decide that the thing to do would be to let someone else start the insurrection because they personally have wives, kids, and jobs.
     
    Most probably would just surrender. BUT, there will be ones that won't; and no way for the gun grabbers to know which is which. So after a couple get snuffed in an ambush they walked into, see how many are going to volunteer to visit the next one on the list...they'll show up in a tank, kill innocents and that will send the message to resist to the rest of us.

    Civil War time!

    That's probably how it will start; once you realize your prior life situation no longer exists and they want all of you 'deplorables' either in a fenced prison or dead...

    “Most probably would just surrender. BUT, there will be ones that won’t; and no way for the gun grabbers to know which is which. ”

    Canadian iStevers pleases correct what I get wrong but back in the ‘90s the Canadian government put a law into effect -C68- in order to register all firearms in Canada, not just pistols or “assault” rifles etc. The law was scrapped in 2012 or 2013, with the reasons given being expense and low compliance.

    The government can do alot of things to chip away at gun rights but if universal registration didn’t fly in laid back “obey the rules” Canada, it will tank here.

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  86. Corn says:
    @Mishra
    Agreed, but note wrt:

    Some blacks also buy guns legally, it’s perfectly legal so long as they don’t have felony records.
     
    Laws prohibiting felons from buying guns will be struck down via 'disparate impact' provisions.

    New progressive slogan:

    “Felons can’t have guns, so neither should you!”

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  87. Corn says:
    @Gringo
    d)Questions for Americans: Is there a solution to the “gun problem” in USA? A moderate position?

    African Americans Are Eight Times More Likely to Be Victims of Homicide Than Whites, Says CDC.

    During 1999–2014, a general decline in homicide trends for non-Hispanic white, non-Hispanic black, and Hispanic populations occurred, followed by a significant increase in the rates for all three groups between 2014 and 2015. In 2015, homicide rates were 5.7 deaths per 100,000 for the total population, 20.9 for non-Hispanic blacks, 4.9 for Hispanics, and 2.6 for non-Hispanic whites.
     
    Blacks are 8 times more likely to be murder victims than than non-Hispanic whites. At the same time, blacks are less likely to be gun owners than"non-Hispanic whites."

    What does that tell you, that blacks own fewer guns than whites but are more likely to murder or be murdered than whites? And no, it isn't an issue of whites murdering blacks. That tells me that there isn't a "gun problem" in the US, but a cultural problem.

    The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world, but if you go to Wikipedia (no links to avoid the spam catcher) to look up murder rates, you find out that the US ranks about 93rd out of about 219 countries in the world for murder rate. That doesn't tell me that there is a "gun problem" in the US.

    I’ve stated before over the years but worth repeating: The liberal Michael Lind noted back around ‘99 or the early 2000s that if you waved a magic wand and made blacks and Hispanics disappear, the US homicide rate would drop to western European levels without changing our gun laws.

    Also can’t forget the Scots-Irish warrior ethic. Lind also pointed out if you waved the wand a second time and made white Southerners disappear, then the well armed Yankees remaining would have Japanese level homicide rates.

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    the Scots-Irish warrior ethic.
     
    Which, judging from a) the large amount of time I spent in those hinterlands, and b) observing family members of that extraction, largely amounts to getting drunk and mistaking barn owls for space aliens or cryptozooids.

    I think the whole "clan war" thing is overstated for Ulster Scots. I know, I know, we're supposed to believe what we've been told about "honor culture" and "propensity to violence."

    But I don't see how putting buckshot into a neighbor's lawn truck or outhouse door to get even for some slight--real or imagined--or having a good old fashioned Saturday night brawl more incisively constitutes "violence" than, say, addicting an entire region to opioids and profiting from their destruction while propagandizing against them and their children and retconning their history.

    For last I checked, the major cause of death among "white Southerners" isn't each others' violence.

    It's inflicted by market forces, often in white coats, and directed by people who have Metropolitan Museum of Art wings and Smithsonian buildings named after them/their fathers.

    A lot of the Ulster Scots "violence" I ever witnessed first hand, I found easy to defuse. The "violence" seemed to me more like a test of courage. A litmus of flinch. Not much to gain from it outside of the immediate situation. Very individual, very immediate, and then over. Yeah, we're told about "family feuds" and such...which is hardly limited to Ulster Scots, as anybody can tell you who ever attended a seder in New Jersey.

    The violence inflicted on Ulster Scots rural people from outside was more a test of absolute, balls-out urban institutional power.

    But somehow we don't have cartoons or TV shows or tropes caricaturing Sacklers and the violence they create.

    We should. I like to imagine a Judy Chicago showing with each "dinner party" plate heaped with white pills signifying the genocide that Elizabeth Sackler's family committed to buy her her Brooklyn Museum wing and her son his "career" noodling about as a musician with mommy updating his Wikipedia entry.

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  88. @Dave form Oz
    "Assuming they repealed the 2nd Amendment, or got another justice on the Supreme Court to rule that the 2nd Amendment is not an individual right to own a gun, then yes they would probably end up disarming people who had legally purchased their guns. However, with the millions of legal gun owners in America, it wouldn’t take many to start an insurrection."

    This is a fantasy. The Authorities would visit legal gun owners one by one, and one by one those gun owners would decide that the thing to do would be to let someone else start the insurrection because they personally have wives, kids, and jobs.

    Remember that dude that shot up some congressmen? The very people who talk endlessly about how the ability of the people to engage in armed revolt is the keystone of freedom were shocked, shocked, shocked that someone actually went ahead and did it. And note that the guy who did actually take a shot at a congressman was a berniebro, a liberal.

    But it's all academic. The 2nd amendment will never be repealed. Not De Jure, anyway.

    We are not all Aussies, to LARP as individual rugged pioneers and then turn in our guns because someone cries on TV.

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  89. Anonymous[438] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    a)Do whites usually buy guns legally? How about blacks?
     
    There is always going to be a criminal element that has to buy guns illegally, but for the most part whites are out in the open about owning firearms. That's why whites join groups like the NRA and flood into gun shows that are held each week across the nation.

    I can't say for sure about blacks.


    b)If they grabbed all the guns it would be likely taking it from legally?
     
    Assuming they repealed the 2nd Amendment, or got another justice on the Supreme Court to rule that the 2nd Amendment is not an individual right to own a gun, then yes they would probably end up disarming people who had legally purchased their guns. However, with the millions of legal gun owners in America, it wouldn't take many to start an insurrection.

    Consider that the combined might of the US armed forces, both active and reserve, is only around 2 million in total. You could conceivably have 10 million legal gun owners, many of whom have had military training, who would refuse. If that happened I don't see how the government could put them down.

    c)How would they find the guns hidden by gangs and others?
     

    They'd probably hunt for guns in the ghettos like they currently hunt for drugs. But since many of those guns are illegally owned, they wouldn't know for sure where they were.

    d)Is there a solution to the “gun problem” in USA? A moderate position?
     
    The so-called gun problem in the USA is a demographic problem. A disproportionate amount of gun crime is committed by the black community despite the media attention given to the white mass shooters. In Europe you are seeing what happens when you get some Africans in your midst. Just imagine what it is going to be like when they comprise 13 percent of your population. That is the black percentage in America and they account for half the murders.

    Given the government's position on making America even less white, I don't see whites readily giving up their weapons. It would be suicidal to disarm now given that our proportion of the population is going to shrink. Additionally this multicultural experiment as David Brooks calls it is probably going to not end in a happy way. It would be wise to be able to protect yourself when that day comes.

    If the U.S. government is ever serious about this it will call in the U.N. It won’t just be gun owners vs. the regular army.

    A campaign to disarm American ‘racists’ would be hugely popular around the world. Every African and Muslim country would send troops. You would be facing tens of millions, not 2 million.

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    That would definitely pose interesting logistics problems. Assuming they are coming on ships, US militia would consider port facilities to be target Numero Uno. Prevent the landing of UN forces and their resupply. Destroy cranes to prevent unloading. Before Project Appleseed (RWVA.org) to train US citizens to use semi-automatic rifles, John Dailey actually published a series of advertisement/ lurid stories in SGN on the use of 7.62mm battle rifles to take on UN troops. I can see a general directive of #ChooseOne for all militiapersons capable of action; once a militia is mustered ALL will have a good time.

    How good is militia? When PRC invaded invaded Vietnam in 1979, the Viets chose to use militia (100K) to resist the PRC and not the regular army, which were engaged in combat operations elsewhere.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_3peM4yoa4
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Molon labe, my man.
    , @JMcG
    That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard in a long, long, long time.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    You've got to be kidding. I suspect most law-abiding gun owners would be unwilling to shoot American police officers, even if they showed up to confiscate guns. But an invasion of UN troops to do the same? That's a declaration of war. Game on.
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  90. dearieme says:
    @Gringo
    BBC:
    "Is the new movement against gun violence that is sweeping America too white and too rich?"

    Some hours ago I made a comment with links, which has resulted in my comment either being spammed or not yet approved. I will therefore try a reprise of my previous comment -without links.

    Compared to whites, blacks are much more likely than whites to be both victims of murder and of gun violence and also much more likely to be murder offenders and gun violence offenders. (In non-legalese, "offenders" here translates to murderers or perpetrators of gun violence.)

    Black households are also less likely to have guns than white households. In 2014, the Pew Research Center informed us that 41% of "Non-Hispanic white" households reported someone in their household owned a gun, compared to 19% of black households. In 2017, the Pew Research Center informed us that 49% of white households reported someone in their household owned a gun, compared to 32% of black households.

    I will leave the difference between 2017 and 2017 figures to another discussion.

    Perhaps blacks, realizing that blacks are less likely to own guns but also much more likely to either murder or be murdered, don't see the point of restricting gun ownership.

    ” In 2014, the Pew Research Center informed us that …” How the devil do they know?

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    ” In 2014, the Pew Research Center informed us that …” How the devil do they know?

    They ask people, which brings up the question of how truthful are the respondents? I for one have no interest in giving out information to a pollster.

    There is a big difference in the 2017 and 2017 replies on gun ownership, which could be caused by 1) more people purchasing guns after 2014, or 2) different proportions of truthful answers in 2014 versus 2017- or probably both.
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  91. @Mishra
    And you can't even let them go with those ankle monitors, 'cause those won't fit neither.

    There really is no justice, is there.

    And you can’t even let them go with those ankle monitors…

    They gonna tie me to whose ankle??!!

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  92. @Gringo
    d)Is there a solution to the “gun problem” in USA? A moderate position?

    If we look at Europe, we find out that there is a correlation of -0.24 between gun ownership rates and murder rates. The data tells us this: the more guns in Europe, the less murder in Europe or vice versa.
    Here are the top ten countries in Europe by gun ownership rates(boldface), along with murder rates.

    Country Murder Rate Guns per 100 Residents
    Serbia 1.13 58.21
    Norway 0.56 31.3
    France 1.58 31.2
    Austria 0.51 30.4
    Germany 0.85 30.3
    Iceland 0.91 30.3
    Finland 1.6 27.3
    Switzerland 0.69 24.45
    Macedonia 1.59 24.1
    Montenegro 2.72 23.1

    Here are the top 10 countries in Europe by murder rate (boldface), along with gun ownership rate.

    Country Murder Rate Guns per 100 Residents
    Russia 11.31 8.9
    Lithuania 5.98 0.7
    Ukraine 4.36 6.6
    Latvia 4.11 19
    Belarus 3.58 7.3
    Estonia 3.2 9.2
    Moldova 3.19 7.1
    Montenegro 2.72 23.1
    Albania 2.28 8.6
    Belgium 1.95 17.2

    Montenegro is the only country in the top ten in both gun ownership rate and murder rate. Russia is first in murder rate, but 25th in gun ownership rate. Serbia is first in gun ownership rate but 20th in murder rate.Norway is 2nd in gun ownership rate but 38th- next to last- in murder rate.

    The white American murder rate of 2.6/100,000, cited in an earlier post, is lower than 8 European countries.

    Both European and American data on gun ownership rates and murder rates show us that more guns do not equate with more murder. (Pew Report surveys, linked to in a comment that is still blocked, show black households owning guns at a lower rate than white households 32% versus 49% in a 2017 survey, and 19% versus 41 % in a 2014 survey.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    That’s an enormous difference in gun count between Lithuania and Latvia, adjacent countries with a similar language and culture.

    Haven’t you heard?

    In Spain the best upper sets do it
    Lithuanians and Letts do it
    Let’s do it

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    Cole Porter- always good to hear one of his songs.
    Why the difference in gun ownership- no idea. One guess is that Lithuania is more culturally linked to Poland- used to be a Polish-Lithuanian kingdom- and Poland has lower gun ownership. Though genetically Lithuanians and Letts are closest. Also related to Finns/Estonians.

    Country Guns per 100 Residents 2018
    Finland 27.3
    Latvia 19
    Estonia 9.2
    Poland 1.3
    Lithuania 0.7
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  93. @dearieme
    "I’m not wholly opposed to this idea."

    That's worthy of making you a British citizen. How does "Sir Steven Sailer" appeal to you as a name?

    You’re assuming they wouldn’t detain and deport his ass before he got knighted. After that, well, they don’t deport Knights, do they?

    “I dub thee, Xir Lancelot, defender of Cuck Island and Crown of the Knights who say Coocoo!”

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  94. @Anonymous
    If the U.S. government is ever serious about this it will call in the U.N. It won't just be gun owners vs. the regular army.

    A campaign to disarm American 'racists' would be hugely popular around the world. Every African and Muslim country would send troops. You would be facing tens of millions, not 2 million.

    That would definitely pose interesting logistics problems. Assuming they are coming on ships, US militia would consider port facilities to be target Numero Uno. Prevent the landing of UN forces and their resupply. Destroy cranes to prevent unloading. Before Project Appleseed (RWVA.org) to train US citizens to use semi-automatic rifles, John Dailey actually published a series of advertisement/ lurid stories in SGN on the use of 7.62mm battle rifles to take on UN troops. I can see a general directive of #ChooseOne for all militiapersons capable of action; once a militia is mustered ALL will have a good time.

    How good is militia? When PRC invaded invaded Vietnam in 1979, the Viets chose to use militia (100K) to resist the PRC and not the regular army, which were engaged in combat operations elsewhere.

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  95. @Anonymous
    If the U.S. government is ever serious about this it will call in the U.N. It won't just be gun owners vs. the regular army.

    A campaign to disarm American 'racists' would be hugely popular around the world. Every African and Muslim country would send troops. You would be facing tens of millions, not 2 million.

    Molon labe, my man.

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  96. JMcG says:
    @Anonymous
    If the U.S. government is ever serious about this it will call in the U.N. It won't just be gun owners vs. the regular army.

    A campaign to disarm American 'racists' would be hugely popular around the world. Every African and Muslim country would send troops. You would be facing tens of millions, not 2 million.

    That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard in a long, long, long time.

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  97. polskijoe says:
    @Gringo
    d)Questions for Americans: Is there a solution to the “gun problem” in USA? A moderate position?

    African Americans Are Eight Times More Likely to Be Victims of Homicide Than Whites, Says CDC.

    During 1999–2014, a general decline in homicide trends for non-Hispanic white, non-Hispanic black, and Hispanic populations occurred, followed by a significant increase in the rates for all three groups between 2014 and 2015. In 2015, homicide rates were 5.7 deaths per 100,000 for the total population, 20.9 for non-Hispanic blacks, 4.9 for Hispanics, and 2.6 for non-Hispanic whites.
     
    Blacks are 8 times more likely to be murder victims than than non-Hispanic whites. At the same time, blacks are less likely to be gun owners than"non-Hispanic whites."

    What does that tell you, that blacks own fewer guns than whites but are more likely to murder or be murdered than whites? And no, it isn't an issue of whites murdering blacks. That tells me that there isn't a "gun problem" in the US, but a cultural problem.

    The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world, but if you go to Wikipedia (no links to avoid the spam catcher) to look up murder rates, you find out that the US ranks about 93rd out of about 219 countries in the world for murder rate. That doesn't tell me that there is a "gun problem" in the US.

    I agree there is a cultural problem in the USA.
    My thoughts are: 1960-1970 or 1980-1990 as the big hits which target Americans.

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  98. Gringo says:
    @dearieme
    " In 2014, the Pew Research Center informed us that ..." How the devil do they know?

    ” In 2014, the Pew Research Center informed us that …” How the devil do they know?

    They ask people, which brings up the question of how truthful are the respondents? I for one have no interest in giving out information to a pollster.

    There is a big difference in the 2017 and 2017 replies on gun ownership, which could be caused by 1) more people purchasing guns after 2014, or 2) different proportions of truthful answers in 2014 versus 2017- or probably both.

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  99. Gringo says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    That's an enormous difference in gun count between Lithuania and Latvia, adjacent countries with a similar language and culture.

    Haven't you heard?

    In Spain the best upper sets do it
    Lithuanians and Letts do it
    Let's do it


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z4zFI-eQdo&feature=youtu.be

    Cole Porter- always good to hear one of his songs.
    Why the difference in gun ownership- no idea. One guess is that Lithuania is more culturally linked to Poland- used to be a Polish-Lithuanian kingdom- and Poland has lower gun ownership. Though genetically Lithuanians and Letts are closest. Also related to Finns/Estonians.

    Country Guns per 100 Residents 2018
    Finland 27.3
    Latvia 19
    Estonia 9.2
    Poland 1.3
    Lithuania 0.7

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  100. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:

    The white farmers of South Africa are well armed, but it does them no good as they’re heavily outnumbered by enemies who are just as well armed.

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  102. @Diversity Heretic
    A black woman in my office had a small automatic pistol which she carried because she was a lay minister who visited parishioners in bad sections of town. The "town" was the District of Columbia, which outlawed civilian handgun possession, but, as you say, the law didn't apply to her.

    Years ago, living in NYC, I’d occasionally see an article in the Daily News about a spunky old black grandma who fended off a mugger with her handgun. These were covered as feel-good stories, with the black grandma shown brandishing her weapon and offering some spicy opinions about young hoodlums. In contrast to the Bernie Goetz case, the issue of the illegality of her weapon never seemed to come up. I don’t know if the NYPD quietly confiscated it.

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  103. @Anonymous
    If the U.S. government is ever serious about this it will call in the U.N. It won't just be gun owners vs. the regular army.

    A campaign to disarm American 'racists' would be hugely popular around the world. Every African and Muslim country would send troops. You would be facing tens of millions, not 2 million.

    You’ve got to be kidding. I suspect most law-abiding gun owners would be unwilling to shoot American police officers, even if they showed up to confiscate guns. But an invasion of UN troops to do the same? That’s a declaration of war. Game on.

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  104. Olorin says:
    @Corn
    I’ve stated before over the years but worth repeating: The liberal Michael Lind noted back around ‘99 or the early 2000s that if you waved a magic wand and made blacks and Hispanics disappear, the US homicide rate would drop to western European levels without changing our gun laws.

    Also can’t forget the Scots-Irish warrior ethic. Lind also pointed out if you waved the wand a second time and made white Southerners disappear, then the well armed Yankees remaining would have Japanese level homicide rates.

    the Scots-Irish warrior ethic.

    Which, judging from a) the large amount of time I spent in those hinterlands, and b) observing family members of that extraction, largely amounts to getting drunk and mistaking barn owls for space aliens or cryptozooids.

    I think the whole “clan war” thing is overstated for Ulster Scots. I know, I know, we’re supposed to believe what we’ve been told about “honor culture” and “propensity to violence.”

    But I don’t see how putting buckshot into a neighbor’s lawn truck or outhouse door to get even for some slight–real or imagined–or having a good old fashioned Saturday night brawl more incisively constitutes “violence” than, say, addicting an entire region to opioids and profiting from their destruction while propagandizing against them and their children and retconning their history.

    For last I checked, the major cause of death among “white Southerners” isn’t each others’ violence.

    It’s inflicted by market forces, often in white coats, and directed by people who have Metropolitan Museum of Art wings and Smithsonian buildings named after them/their fathers.

    A lot of the Ulster Scots “violence” I ever witnessed first hand, I found easy to defuse. The “violence” seemed to me more like a test of courage. A litmus of flinch. Not much to gain from it outside of the immediate situation. Very individual, very immediate, and then over. Yeah, we’re told about “family feuds” and such…which is hardly limited to Ulster Scots, as anybody can tell you who ever attended a seder in New Jersey.

    The violence inflicted on Ulster Scots rural people from outside was more a test of absolute, balls-out urban institutional power.

    But somehow we don’t have cartoons or TV shows or tropes caricaturing Sacklers and the violence they create.

    We should. I like to imagine a Judy Chicago showing with each “dinner party” plate heaped with white pills signifying the genocide that Elizabeth Sackler’s family committed to buy her her Brooklyn Museum wing and her son his “career” noodling about as a musician with mommy updating his Wikipedia entry.

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  105. @Mishra
    Agreed entirely, with one tiny edit:

    Progressive gun grabbers want to disarm whites not blacks, so this is problem for the Progs. (They like armed blacks. They plan to use them against armed whites.)
     
    This 'plan' has been in force for over fifty years now.

    There was a clearer yootoob vid of this in the old days that showed its National Lampoon origins, but it’s undoubtedly been memory holed because of its title: “Pull the Trigger Ni**ers”.

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