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Denmark’s contraception aid to Africa ‘to limit migration’
1 hour ago

Denmark has pledged more funds for family planning in developing nations, saying this could also help “limit the migration pressure on Europe”.

The Minister for Development Co-operation, Ulla Tornaes, said Copenhagen would contribute 91m kroner (£11m; $14m) for the programme. She said unwanted pregnancies had “enormous” human and social costs in the world’s poorest nations. But she added that limiting Africa’s population growth was also important. …

She then referred specifically to Africa, saying that curtailing the continent’s population growth by increasing access to contraception and family planning was an important foreign and security policy priority for the Danish government. “If the population growth in Africa continues as now, the African population will double from 1.2 billion people to 2.5 billion people by 2050,” Ms Tornaes said.

“Part of the solution to reducing migratory pressures on Europe is to reduce the very high population growth in many African countries.”

Denmark, like a number of other EU nations, has in recent years been under pressure to deal with a rising number of asylum seekers and immigrants arriving in Europe. …

In January 2016, the Danish parliament backed a controversial proposal to confiscate asylum seekers’ valuables to pay for their upkeep – a move criticised by the UN.

Denmark’s government has been the most immigration skeptical government in Western Europe for most of this century.

 
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  1. Regardless of Ulla’s tacit rajsism, the year 2050 AD incoming “Planet of The Danes” will feature a garden variety of primates being accordingly dressed in Pathologonia’s baby-blue, over-priced, and synthetically squishy vests.

    (This one is for Tiny D.)

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  2. This is a bit like trying to resolve a cockroach infestation by investing venture capital in a startup iguana ranch. What is it about “close the border” that these people don’t understand?

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    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Rob McX
    Even without immigration, African population growth needs to be controlled for environmental reasons.
    , @Eagle Eye

    What is it about “close the border” that these people don’t understand?
     
    Close reading of MSM reporting, opinion pieces and reader comments shows that there is a COORDINATED SET of talking points that must NEVER be allowed to appear.

    The list of TABOO POINTS includes:

    (1) Practical points re feasibility of closing borders.

    (2) Practical points re arresting and deporting specific categories of illegal aliens aka immivaders.

    (3) Government support of illegal migration through quasi-governmental organizations ("NGOs") affiliated with the Catholic Church, Protestant Churches, and Jewish organizations.

    (4) Suggestions that "refugees" could be much more appropriately accommodated in suitable Third World/Muslim countries rather than be turned as life-long welfare cases mooching of Western taxpayers.

    (5) Discussions about using biometric, linguistic and old-fashioned investigative techniques to control illegal immigrants. For example, all "refugees" should be forced to produce valid passports from their home countries (which they used to travel to their new welfare destination).

    (6) Suggestions that the immivasion of Somalis etc. into Minnesota and other states, and of millions of assorted Muslims into Europe, did not happen by accident.

    (7) Any other suggestion that the so-called "migrant crisis" involves pull factors.

    The official TABOO LIST is no doubt much more extensive and includes numerous vaguer categories.
    , @CK
    "Close the border" means that your citizens will be shooting to kill the incoming women and children that will be in the front rows of border crashers. Neither words nor physical walls will prevail; it will, as it always has, come to blood. There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.
  3. It’s very encouraging to see news like this, but it can have no practical effect on immigration in the near future. Africa can easily spew a hundred million of its excess population on us before population control measures kick in. The important thing is that a respected European country is openly identifying the problem and pointing the way towards containing it. It’s implicitly saying African immigration is bad and making tougher border control more acceptable.

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    • Agree: Frau Katze
    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Unless White NAZIs personally supervise the administration of every fertility/contraception device donated to Africa, the "leaders" will steal it all and re-sell on international market.
  4. @Intelligent Dasein
    This is a bit like trying to resolve a cockroach infestation by investing venture capital in a startup iguana ranch. What is it about "close the border" that these people don't understand?

    Even without immigration, African population growth needs to be controlled for environmental reasons.

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    • Replies: @RW
    I've made this point here before. What's more, this fact can be put to good use in bringing liberals to our side on the immigration issue, whether all of us believe it or not. It is the ONLY hope for convincing the left to stop immigration into the first world WHERE LIBERALS BELIEVE THAT OVERPOPULATION PRESSURES ON THE ENVIRONMENT ARE THE MOST DAMAGING.
    , @GLT
    And for the welfare of the Africans, surely!
    , @fnn
    Yeah, education will fix it:
    https://news.mongabay.com/2017/07/on-poaching-in-south-africa-education-has-saved-more-wildlife-than-any-guard-with-a-gun/

    Rhinos are the poachers’ target of choice. Their keratin horns sell for more than $4,000 per ounce, making the value of gold seem paltry by comparison, at $1,200 per ounce. The ivory tusks of African elephants are still in demand, and the bones from lions, hyenas and vultures have a black market value all their own.

    “The poachers are winning; they never take a day off,” said Glenn Thompson, ProTrack’s commanding officer of enforcement in Hoedspruit. Wearing military garb and a beret, he checked his smartphone to see that more than a dozen suspected poachers entered Kruger the morning I spoke to him.

    ‘There’s a dilemma’

    Death comes daily to each species – despite ProTrack’s efforts, and the efforts of Kruger’s own ample land-and-air anti-poaching patrols. More than 7,500 square miles of habitat (just smaller than Wales) and a porous border with Mozambique tilt the odds toward the poachers.

    The product of all this carnage heads mostly to Asia, especially China and Vietnam, where powdered rhino horn is believed to cure disease or promote sexual desire. Ivory still gets carved into beautiful ornaments, with too much still entering the U.S., even though it’s banned. Lion and vulture bones are believed to possess mystical qualities for ancient rituals.
     
  5. To be honest sending a million machetes to Rwanda would cost about the same and achieve more than Denmark’s contraceptive program.

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    • Agree: JohnnyGeo
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    unit, Nasty!
    , @BenKenobi
    We need more people like you.
    , @AndrewR
    Very edgy.
  6. Sailer thinks that Denmark is Shy & Skeptical when it comes to Virtue Signaling.

    bored identity thinks that, Historically- Fictionaly speaking, Denmark is already Somethingly Rotten… by default.

    Why?

    Because Gentlemen Prefer Blondes:

    https://68.media.tumblr.com/66a9086480f8e1389196caf62ee39224/tumblr_oki9q1jqod1u3vseto1_400.jpg

    Cher & Killary are anomaly to this rule.

    Or, maybe not.

    P.S.

    bored identity is Tiny Ducking all Commenteriat to differ!

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  7. @Rob McX
    It's very encouraging to see news like this, but it can have no practical effect on immigration in the near future. Africa can easily spew a hundred million of its excess population on us before population control measures kick in. The important thing is that a respected European country is openly identifying the problem and pointing the way towards containing it. It's implicitly saying African immigration is bad and making tougher border control more acceptable.

    Unless White NAZIs personally supervise the administration of every fertility/contraception device donated to Africa, the “leaders” will steal it all and re-sell on international market.

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  8. I work for a Danish owned company, I was in Denmark last March. I hit the bars after work one day with the Danes and none of them was afraid to talk about any subject with me…. race, IQ, immigration, muslims, blacks, and crime were all discussed, some of us were in agreement some disagreed but no subject was taboo. One Dane even gladly acknowledged that he would rather hang around with me because we share a common race, language (they all spoke great English) and ideals, than any African he had ever met, none of the other Danes spoke up to disagree with him.

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    • Replies: @StillCARealist
    What do they think about everybody in Europe speaking English? I just wonder how long their languages can survive, and with it their unique cultures. I can very selfishly say I'm glad I grew up with the language of the future. Probably the entire world will speak English in 50 years (outside of L.A., that is).
    , @fnn
    Apparently a huge behavioral gap between Danes and Swedes. The one Norwegian I've talked to about this sort of thing was more in the Swede direction. Not overtly PC, just a long silence and a switch to talking about music. We were in a bar in a semi-sleazy part of San Jose, CR and people had warned him about it. He laughed and said there were much worse places in Oslo. I said, "You mean Muslim or immigrant areas?"

    This was pre-Brevik.
  9. You cannot put out a five-alarm fire with a squirt gun.

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    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    You can if the 5-alarm fire is in your mouth, and the squirt gun is full of margarita!
    , @Anonymous
    You cannot put out a five-alarm fire with a squirt gun.

    It a step toward winning over the hearts and minds of Danes and other Europeans to the necessity of controlling Africa's population growth and limiting African immigration.
  10. @Intelligent Dasein
    This is a bit like trying to resolve a cockroach infestation by investing venture capital in a startup iguana ranch. What is it about "close the border" that these people don't understand?

    What is it about “close the border” that these people don’t understand?

    Close reading of MSM reporting, opinion pieces and reader comments shows that there is a COORDINATED SET of talking points that must NEVER be allowed to appear.

    The list of TABOO POINTS includes:

    (1) Practical points re feasibility of closing borders.

    (2) Practical points re arresting and deporting specific categories of illegal aliens aka immivaders.

    (3) Government support of illegal migration through quasi-governmental organizations (“NGOs”) affiliated with the Catholic Church, Protestant Churches, and Jewish organizations.

    (4) Suggestions that “refugees” could be much more appropriately accommodated in suitable Third World/Muslim countries rather than be turned as life-long welfare cases mooching of Western taxpayers.

    (5) Discussions about using biometric, linguistic and old-fashioned investigative techniques to control illegal immigrants. For example, all “refugees” should be forced to produce valid passports from their home countries (which they used to travel to their new welfare destination).

    (6) Suggestions that the immivasion of Somalis etc. into Minnesota and other states, and of millions of assorted Muslims into Europe, did not happen by accident.

    (7) Any other suggestion that the so-called “migrant crisis” involves pull factors.

    The official TABOO LIST is no doubt much more extensive and includes numerous vaguer categories.

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    Close the borders, deport the invaders, crush the traitors.
  11. @Rob McX
    Even without immigration, African population growth needs to be controlled for environmental reasons.

    I’ve made this point here before. What’s more, this fact can be put to good use in bringing liberals to our side on the immigration issue, whether all of us believe it or not. It is the ONLY hope for convincing the left to stop immigration into the first world WHERE LIBERALS BELIEVE THAT OVERPOPULATION PRESSURES ON THE ENVIRONMENT ARE THE MOST DAMAGING.

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Except that too has failed. The Sierra Club is pro mass invasion.
  12. “Family planning” in Africa seems like one of those things that has limited upside but potential for disaster once unintended consequences are factored in.

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  13. Denmark is one of the only countries with the balls to commission studies into who uses how much tax money, and oh my it turns out that non-western migrants and their descendants use up an astounding 59% of all tax money paid into the system despite making up less than 20% of the population of the country.

    So much for paying those pensions and economic benefits the politicians keep talking about as a justification for mass migration.

    http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/non-western-immigrants-use-59-of-denmarks-tax-money/

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  14. ot Mr. Sailor,

    Thanks for the New Order music suggestion. I’m enjoying it now.

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  15. The only hope really is China. China has considerable military resources already on the Continent. They have a base on the Horn of Africa, and the largest peace-keeping presence in South Sudan (oil). The Chinese are also present in East Africa, and in West Africa. China needs a vast amount of natural resources having long ago exhausted its own; and Africa is highly populated but poorly defended.

    China is now even abandoning its neutrality policy and openly as in South Sudan intervening in places with no effective Central Government (they backed Khadaffy for far too long, not realizing he’d lost control early on).

    China has power the West does not — they can intimidate in a way that the soft men of the West cannot, the SJW feminists who run and control the media as a matter of personnel. They have no problem with killing lots of people, which is what it will take to efficiently exploit Africa’s natural resources for their own ends. And they are not interested in the half of Africa that does not move to Europe moving to Asia and eventually screwing up their own plans for their Greater Chinese Co Prosperity Sphere.

    No one in Europe is serious, and all lack the means to stop a 200 million plus influx of Africans. It can’t be done — Europe does not have the planes or boats to stop them; much less the will. Most of their women and gays who effectively run things through Cuckservatives (known as dutiful husbands and fathers of girls) WANT half of Africa raping through their nation. Duh. There are no ends to the ways in which men and women in the West after the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, and mass female led consumerism are enemies with incompatible aims: Women the Game of Thrones society they all thrill for; Men the Leave it To Beaver society they yearn for.

    Japan may have half of its people age 30 virgins, with most Japanese men “scared” of girls/women (translation: they know already they are not the Alpha players their women demand so they opt out of losing); but at least the sex drives of their women have been sublimated into Kawaii and other female-driven competition to be the cutest spinster age 35 on the block.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Yessir; when it comes to protecting the environment and curbing overpopulation, the Chinese are the ones for the job! When is your next HBO stand-up special? I don't want to miss more comedy gold.
  16. OT: California Shakespeare Theater (“Cal Shakes”) has gone all-black:

    https://tickets.calshakes.org/Online/

    Cal Shakes is an outdoor theater located in the hills of Orinda, an affluent suburb just on the other side of the Oakland/Berkeley Hills via the Caldecott Tunnel.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    I see they are staging some Negroid bastardisation of The Odyssey. From the media, nothing but crickets about appropriation (cf. Hamilton).
  17. Won’t work. My parents were doctors back in South Africa and the hospital there used to hand out condoms. Big boxes of them would be untouched because the African’s are having none of it. To them having a large family is both a status symbol and a way of ensuring their legacy lives on. They want their large families and any attempt otherwise is completely mistrusted as neo-colonialism.

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    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    They count on foreigner-funded charity to prevent their children from dying from malnutrition or disease,
    , @Judah Benjamin Hur

    To them having a large family is both a status symbol and a way of ensuring their legacy lives on.
     
    We can learn something from them, actually.
  18. This was only possible due to absence of religious right in Denmark.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous

    This was only possible due to absence of religious right in Denmark.
     
    Contraceptives* have only had a major impact on the TFR of European whites and East Asians. The two groups civilization could use more of.

    *Abortion, destruction of the family, women's lib, economic pressures from higher & higher cost of living (gov't spending & greedy capitalists), et al., have impacted the TFR of whites.

    , @Eagle Eye

    This was only possible due to absence of religious right in Denmark.
     
    Precisely. As Chesterton might have said (although the actual quote is wrongly attributed to him):

    When people stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing — they believe in anything.
     
    In the 21st century, the West is succumbing to zombie-like, educationalized hordes burning with a fanatical belief in "anything."
  19. Yes of course immigration from Africa needs to be reduced, starting with towing the boats back to Libya rather than all the way to Italy. But > 50% of aid to Africa needs to be in the form of contraceptives, and all of the rest needs to be contingent on acceptance and use of contraception – at the government AND individual level – and on a dramatic reduction in birthrates.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    There are about 40 different sub-Saharan countries, so it wouldn't be hard to get them to compete for foreign aid based on declines in fertility, as measured by international bodies.
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    Strangely enough, Denmark was praised, (by certain quarters), for its ‘liberalism’ regarding immigration during the latter part of the 20th century.

    Unlike certain other western European nations, Denmark actually grew up.

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  21. On the subject of contraception in Africa, I am always reminded of the passage in Black Mischief describing the efforts of the Azanian government to promote birth control:

    “Finally there resulted a large, highly-coloured poster well-calculated to convey to the illiterate the benefits of birth-control. … It portrayed two contrasted scenes. On one side a native hut of hideous squalor, overrun with children of every age, suffering from every physical incapacity – crippled, deformed, blind, spotted, and insane; the father prematurely aged with paternity squatted by an empty cook-pot; through the door could be seen his wife, withered and bowed with child-bearing, desperately hoeing at their inadequate crop. On the other side a bright parlour furnished with chairs and a table; the mother, young and beautiful, sat at her ease eating a huge slice of raw meat; her husband smoked a long Arab hubble-bubble (still a caste mark of leisure throughout the land), while a single, healthy child sat between them reading a newspaper. Inset between the two pictures was a detailed drawing of some up-to-date contraceptive apparatus and the words in Sakuyu: WHICH HOME DO YOU CHOOSE?

    “Interest in the pictures was unbounded; all over the island woolly heads were nodding, black hands pointing, tongues clicking against filed teeth in unsyntactical dialects. Nowhere was there any doubt about the meaning of the beautiful new pictures.

    “See: on right hand: there is rich man: smoke pipe like big chief: but his wife she no good; sit eating meat: and rich man no good: he only one son.

    “See: on left hand: poor man: not much to eat: but his wife, she very good, work hard in field: man he good too: eleven children: one mad, very holy. And in middle: Emperor’s juju. Make you like that good man with eleven children.”

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  22. It’s not clear from the article but the Danish initiative is related to another government that is withdrawing money from family planning efforts in Africa. Unlike the Trump administration the Danes don’t mind it if the Africans are aborting babies.

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  23. Denmark’s government has been the most immigration skeptical government in Western Europe for most of this century.

    As Steve wrote about Poland recently, it seems to be working out pretty well for them compared to other western/northern European nations.

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  24. Just out of curiosity, has anyone seen efforts to control population in Africa labeled as racist? I haven’t seen, but now that I think about it, I’m surprised I haven’t.

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    • Replies: @Kyle a
    You've slept through the AIDS epidemic and Ebola. Weren't you aware that white devils created those pandemics to keep the black population down? That's some racist stuff there now.
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    10.9 million of the 10 million will end up in the overseas bank accounts of the dictators.

    Compulsory vasectomys and tubal ligations will work.

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  26. Denmark’s government has been the most immigration skeptical government in Western Europe for most of this century.

    Yes Steve, I remember you making that claim several times over the past few years. And I’m not saying you’re wrong, merely that the above statement falls under the category of “damning with faint praise.” I haven’t found the numbers for 2016, but in 2014 the immigration skeptical Danish government oversaw an all time record for immigration into Denmark, a record that was exceeded only by the new record the immigration skeptical Danish government oversaw in 2015.

    https://www.thelocal.dk/20150812/immigration-hits-new-record-high-in-denmark

    The immigration skeptical Danish government seems to be remarkably fond of immigration, much more so than the presumably immigration non-skeptical Danish governments that preceded it. Unless, of course, we are to believe the unthinkable: that the immigration skeptical Danish government is not in fact immigration skeptical, but merely wants to convince the voting rubes that it is, all the while setting new record highs for immigration every year.

    /sarcasm

    When it comes to immigration, ignore the yapping of political scum and look at the number of immigrants entering each year. It’s the “current year,” we should not be falling for this nonsense at this point. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me 50 years in a row…eh, why do I bother.

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  27. Is the Left’s ultimate goal just to breed the ultimate basketball league, dang the consequences?

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  28. @Rob McX
    Even without immigration, African population growth needs to be controlled for environmental reasons.

    And for the welfare of the Africans, surely!

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  29. Sending condoms to Africa — why didn’t I think of that?! — I mean it did so much to prevent the spread of AIDS there — so it’s worth a try.

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  30. @Polynikes
    "Family planning" in Africa seems like one of those things that has limited upside but potential for disaster once unintended consequences are factored in.

    What is the potential for disaster?

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    • Replies: @Lurker
    Not sure - dysgenics perhaps? We end up with a smaller African population but a worse one. As per Steve's abortion/crime concept.
  31. So Denmark is doing a lot better than the Trump administration, which bizarrely made it its first priority to defund family planning programs in the Third World.

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    • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur
    I totally support family planning programs in Africa, but I can understand why Trump signaled to evangelicals that he would pay close attention to their concerns. He owes them big time.

    Unlike most self-righteous liberals, evangelicals really do care about people. And, to be honest, I wouldn't want anyone in my family to have an abortion (except in the case of rape).
    , @Kyle a
    Why should we be footing the bill for their animal like breeding habits? Let the euros be the planned parenthood of the African plains. We've got enough problems with our own vibrant here in the states.
  32. @reiner Tor
    What is the potential for disaster?

    Not sure – dysgenics perhaps? We end up with a smaller African population but a worse one. As per Steve’s abortion/crime concept.

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  33. @Eagle Eye

    What is it about “close the border” that these people don’t understand?
     
    Close reading of MSM reporting, opinion pieces and reader comments shows that there is a COORDINATED SET of talking points that must NEVER be allowed to appear.

    The list of TABOO POINTS includes:

    (1) Practical points re feasibility of closing borders.

    (2) Practical points re arresting and deporting specific categories of illegal aliens aka immivaders.

    (3) Government support of illegal migration through quasi-governmental organizations ("NGOs") affiliated with the Catholic Church, Protestant Churches, and Jewish organizations.

    (4) Suggestions that "refugees" could be much more appropriately accommodated in suitable Third World/Muslim countries rather than be turned as life-long welfare cases mooching of Western taxpayers.

    (5) Discussions about using biometric, linguistic and old-fashioned investigative techniques to control illegal immigrants. For example, all "refugees" should be forced to produce valid passports from their home countries (which they used to travel to their new welfare destination).

    (6) Suggestions that the immivasion of Somalis etc. into Minnesota and other states, and of millions of assorted Muslims into Europe, did not happen by accident.

    (7) Any other suggestion that the so-called "migrant crisis" involves pull factors.

    The official TABOO LIST is no doubt much more extensive and includes numerous vaguer categories.

    Close the borders, deport the invaders, crush the traitors.

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  34. @Wilkey
    Yes of course immigration from Africa needs to be reduced, starting with towing the boats back to Libya rather than all the way to Italy. But > 50% of aid to Africa needs to be in the form of contraceptives, and all of the rest needs to be contingent on acceptance and use of contraception - at the government AND individual level - and on a dramatic reduction in birthrates.

    There are about 40 different sub-Saharan countries, so it wouldn’t be hard to get them to compete for foreign aid based on declines in fertility, as measured by international bodies.

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    Given the people we are talking about, I don't think they would implement fertility declines like it has happened in the rest of the world with family planning, contraception, etc. It has been a struggle to get Sub Saharan Africans to use condoms to prevent the spread HIV and that can kill them. Some of them would resort to much more barbaric methods to reduce birthrates rather quickly.
    , @anonymous
    But the question becomes "do they WANT to see a decline in their fertility?" Sub-Saharan Africa is collectively for all intents and purposes a pre-industrial society whose denizen would no more understand "contraception" than a dog would understand differential equations.
    , @AM

    There are about 40 different sub-Saharan countries, so it wouldn’t be hard to get them to compete for foreign aid based on declines in fertility, as measured by international bodies.
     
    How well would this work, in countries that have to have China build modern roads for them? I think we'd have to colonize it again for an idea like this to even vaguely be effective. :(

    Just like you can't pay people to have babies, you can't pay them to not either. And if you offer to pay them to not have babies, their suspicions are rightly alerted to the idea that you don't want more of "their kind". (Whatever "their kind" happens to be, race aside) Even the most dull witted catch on eventually and reject it. You might delay their child bearing ( a win), but it's pyrrhic victory because then every kid after will be a personal win despite some meddling stranger.

    What's so hard about just leaving Africa to it's own devices for the most part and let Christian missionaries do what work they can with voluntary only funds? No UN funds, no foriegn aid, no taxpayer funds (but I repeat myself), just whatever do-gooders have in their pocket. Starvation is already baked into this cake, as much I don't want to see it.
  35. Thank Goodness!!

    This is the kind of charity I could support with a good conscience.

    I always thought the innumerable do-gooder efforts spending billions of dollars to feed Africans and provide access to good medical care only made sense if family planning was central to the charitable efforts.

    Unfortunately it was not, and the do-gooder organizations, like the Christian charities and the Gates’ foundation, for all their noble intentions, have managed to create a massive problem for the West.

    We are not responsible for the irresponsible breeding behavior of African people. But we are responsible for making it possible for African people to overpopulate their environment.

    First and foremost we have to protect our own nations and our own people. And that means keeping the African people in Africa. Secure the borders or lose your nation. We can help the African people but only at a distance. Focus resources on sensible contraceptive policies that limit suffering and hunger.

    We have to stop seeing the Third World as our adopted children.

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  36. @Intelligent Dasein
    This is a bit like trying to resolve a cockroach infestation by investing venture capital in a startup iguana ranch. What is it about "close the border" that these people don't understand?

    “Close the border” means that your citizens will be shooting to kill the incoming women and children that will be in the front rows of border crashers. Neither words nor physical walls will prevail; it will, as it always has, come to blood. There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.

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    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @Eagle Eye

    “Close the border” means that your citizens will be shooting to kill ...
     
    Whatever happens, we have got
    The Maxim gun, and they have not.


    Hilaire Belloc
    , @AnotherDad

    “Close the border” means that your citizens will be shooting to kill the incoming women and children that will be in the front rows of border crashers. Neither words nor physical walls will prevail; it will, as it always has, come to blood. There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.
     
    Mediterranean Sea.

    I'm with you on your basic point that if you want to preserve something nice, it always comes down to blood/force--to "will".

    But you're missing the point that while not the US--much less Australia--Europe as a continent actually has very nice borders with respect to keeping out Africans and Arabs/other Muslims) . It's that whole Mediterranean Sea thing. Because they must cross the Med, Africans would hardly even be arriving in Europe without active European assistance. And the most meager resistance would put them back. Beyond that, Europe has only the smallest land border with the Middle East--very easily policed.

    There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.
     
    And this bit is a complete joke. When it comes to the West vs. the non-West it's entirely a matter of will. The inequality in capability, technology and organization between the West and the non-West staggering. The West may not be able to "pacify" or "colonize" the non-West anymore without the willingness to dish out horrendous bloodbaths. But the capability remains. The ability to defend its own borders against invading hordes isn't just available, it's absolutely trivial. All that stands in the way is will.
    , @BenKenobi
    Ready, aye ready.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    “Close the border” means that your citizens will be shooting to kill the incoming women and children

     

    Ok, sounds like a plan.

    Gaza woman said killed by IDF near border fence


    Neither words nor physical walls will prevail

     

    Agreed. What is needed to prevail is robot machine gun towers equipped with missles:


    Robo-Snipers, “Auto Kill Zones” to Protect Israeli Borders
    ... Connected via fiber optics to a remote operator station and a command-and-control center, each machine gun-mounted station serves as a type of robotic sniper, capable of enforcing a nearly 1,500-meter-deep no-go zone.

    The IDF’s [Israeli Defense Forces] Southern Command is also considering adding Gill/Spike anti-tank missiles to extend the no-go zones to several kilometers, defense and industry sources here said.

     

    Video: IDF Israel Defense Forces Border Defense System
    , @Pericles

    There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.

     

    Well, we at least have to give it the old college try.

    Why do I get the impression this CK will be found robbed, raped and strangled in some vibrant ghetto apartment?
    , @Macumazahn
    CK is exactly right.
    This is why the West will be overrun.
    Our feminized societies no longer have the stomach to do what needs to be done.
  37. What really baffles me is Ireland. They spent 300 years fighting to free themselves of English domination, and they’re going to hand their little island over to Syrians, Poles, and Africans in a single generation.

    I have an Irish friend, and he’s always bitching about the English, yet when I suggested that maybe a country of a few million people and–what? 30,000 square miles?–should be cautious about immigration, especially of the Islamic variety, he practically blew a fuse at my “racism.”

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    I get to Ireland pretty frequently and I can tell you that outside the Dublin area there is no desire for any non European immigration whatsoever. They aren't even particularly happy with the Polish influx.
    There are, as always, exceptions, mainly of the nice white lady variety.
    The bien pensants in the capital seem to feel that becoming a Humanitarian Superpower will at long last let them take their place in the sun.
    Alan Shatter, the now deposed former Minister for the Interior insisted that, as Ireland was a nation of emigrants, it owed a duty to humanity to accept all who wanted to come. Opposite argument but same result as the USA.
    I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine his tribe.
    Yesterday a nice Muslim lady stabbed her three year old twenty some times before turning the knife on herself. She only succeeded in killing the child.
  38. @Paranoid Android
    Won't work. My parents were doctors back in South Africa and the hospital there used to hand out condoms. Big boxes of them would be untouched because the African's are having none of it. To them having a large family is both a status symbol and a way of ensuring their legacy lives on. They want their large families and any attempt otherwise is completely mistrusted as neo-colonialism.

    They count on foreigner-funded charity to prevent their children from dying from malnutrition or disease,

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    I don't think they are counting on it, it's just what happens. If whites disappeared tomorrow I'm sure African birth rates would be the same. But death rates would start to rise.
  39. Denmark has about as many people as Cook County, Illinois. It could easily be overwhelmed by immigration.

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  40. @unit472
    To be honest sending a million machetes to Rwanda would cost about the same and achieve more than Denmark's contraceptive program.

    unit, Nasty!

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    @Cheetah
    This was only possible due to absence of religious right in Denmark.

    This was only possible due to absence of religious right in Denmark.

    Contraceptives* have only had a major impact on the TFR of European whites and East Asians. The two groups civilization could use more of.

    *Abortion, destruction of the family, women’s lib, economic pressures from higher & higher cost of living (gov’t spending & greedy capitalists), et al., have impacted the TFR of whites.

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  42. People have an absolute right to have children, but a moral imperative to take responsibility for the raising of their children. One of the biggest bones of contention in this country is that women have children and expect the government to provide the necessities, and in many cases, the luxuries to raise them. There is a saintly woman who lives nearby who manages a group of missions in Nicaraqua . Weekly, during the summer, volunteers load a tractor trailer with food, clothing, shoes, tools, furniture, candles, etc. This happens every Tuesday, throughout the summer. One trailer, loaded front to back, top to bottom, side to side. I know because I helped to load one. No condoms. Wonderful photos of the people she helps, mother, father, six or eight kids, all wearing tee shirts and shorts with team logos or college names or Hello Kitty. Sigh, it hurts me to write this, 16 years of catholic education you know.

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    • Replies: @bomag

    People have an absolute right to have children, but a moral imperative to take responsibility for the raising of their children.
     
    There looks to be a clash here between "right" and "moral imperative". Which one should win?
    , @Kyle a
    It hurt us even more to read it. What exactly was the point of your post anways
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    If don't want mice in the house, it's probably a good idea to not lay food out for them.
  43. how much would they need to pay Africans to submit to sterilization ? Would $2,500 convince some African men to get a vasectomy ? Would women agree to be implanted with Norplant for $500 ?

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    • Replies: @peterike

    how much would they need to pay Africans to submit to sterilization ? Would $2,500 convince some African men to get a vasectomy ? Would women agree to be implanted with Norplant for $500 ?

     

    It's much more useful to sterilize the women. After all, it only takes one man to impregnate dozens of women, particularly in Africa. In fact, I'd wager that if you sterilized all the men but one in an African village, the one fertile male would be Mister Popularity in no time flat, and the women would be lining up to have his babies.

    But if you shut down a womb, you've taken a baby factory off-line. This is also why promoting condoms is pointless and silly when the target population consists of men who just aren't going to wear them, and even if some do, what's the difference in a population where monogamy is viewed dimly.

    Norplant for money is interesting, in that Africans have little future time orientation, so "give me the money now" would probably be quite effective, and odds are they wouldn't understand what they are doing anyway.
  44. She said unwanted pregnancies had “enormous” human and social costs in the world’s poorest nations.

    As Steve has pointed out previously, when it comes to Africa, rarely is a pregnancy unwanted.

    Despite having the highest fertility rate in the world, women and men alike in Niger say they want more children than they actually have – women want an average of nine, while men say they want 11.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/average-woman-in-niger-has-7-children-wants-9/

    OT – One thing that has been attributed to the success of the US, is there was always open land for the pop. to expand into. While the unmentionable fact that the pop. density of Africa is only ~39.1, according to Wik, the sub-replacement birth rate of the developed world is often cited as reason we need mass immigration.

    I give it four years before we start hearing talking points that come eerily close to “manifest” and “destiny.” Over-under?

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  45. @Das
    So Denmark is doing a lot better than the Trump administration, which bizarrely made it its first priority to defund family planning programs in the Third World.

    I totally support family planning programs in Africa, but I can understand why Trump signaled to evangelicals that he would pay close attention to their concerns. He owes them big time.

    Unlike most self-righteous liberals, evangelicals really do care about people. And, to be honest, I wouldn’t want anyone in my family to have an abortion (except in the case of rape).

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    What about in the case of severe mental retardation? Tay Sachs Disease? Anencephaly?
    , @AM

    Unlike most self-righteous liberals, evangelicals really do care about people. And, to be honest, I wouldn’t want anyone in my family to have an abortion (except in the case of rape).
     
    A conservative attempts to thoughtfully apply the standards for the family to their neighbor, when appropriate. :) Abortion is murder and Africans are still God's creatures. If abortion is wrong and off limits for your family, it's wrong and off limits, too in Africa. It's not "family planning", unless family planning suddenly involves the ability to kill inconvenient members of it.

    Contraception is a different matter, but it's easy to point to ineffectiveness on that on several levels in Africa.

    I guess I'm kinda surprised at people into numbers/graphs who keep pointing to the same old tired solutions that aren't working and haven't for decades. If abortion actually worked in Africa, you'd see significant dips in population growth when outside entities funded it, versus not. One of Obama's legacies should be population reductions in Africa. That's not what I'm seeing in the charts.

    That's sort of the joke on all of us - having the moral stain of funding/encouraging murder and it doesn't work at all anyway towards the stated goal.

  46. There’s a lot of wishful thinking with regards to demographics. Controlling SSA fertility is a fool’s errand. It will not happen. It’s not like no one has been trying. Then what?

    The truth is the West should withdraw all medical and food aid from SSA and then let nature return the human population to a sustainable level. That’s monstrous, which is why it is unthinkable, but it is also why it is inevitable. A billion Africans in Europe makes Europe incapable of sending food and medicine to Africa. They may not even be able to feed themselves.

    Imagine the worst possible solution to over-population in SSA and that’s going to be the best option in the future. In fifty years, what’s left of the West will look back and wonder why organized, continent-wide genocide was not the obvious solution to the rulers of today. But, maybe this is ma Nature cleaning up her mess. The Great African Diaspora will wipe out the honky as the last one wiped out the Neanderthal.

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    "In fifty years, what’s left of the West will look back and wonder why organized, continent-wide genocide was not the obvious solution to the rulers of today."

    It is the obvious solution, and they're practicing it. Just on a different continent than the one you mean.
    , @AM

    The truth is the West should withdraw all medical and food aid from SSA and then let nature return the human population to a sustainable level. That’s monstrous, which is why it is unthinkable, but it is also why it is inevitable
     
    If we get rid of our own socialism, it will not be possible to send them aid at that scale. Voluntary efforts are not capable of it.
  47. The best pregnancy prevention for the African continent comes in the form of nuclear armed ballistic.

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  48. I guess the Danes, unlike Merkel, don’t take Jim Morrison lyrics to be the basis of domestic migration policy.

    Methinks Angela took Jim a bit too seriously when he crooned: “The West is the best…get here, and we’ll do the rest”. (Maybe she should have considered the name of the song that line appears in.)

    The End.

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    • Replies: @Pericles
    Oh, I thought it was "Five to one".


    Five to one, baby, one in five
    No one here gets out alive now
    You get yours, baby, I'll get mine
    Gonna make it, baby, if we try

    The old get old and the young gets stronger
    May take a week and it may take longer
    They got the guns but we got the numbers
    Gonna win, yeah, we're takin' over, come on!

     

  49. @Buffalo Joe
    People have an absolute right to have children, but a moral imperative to take responsibility for the raising of their children. One of the biggest bones of contention in this country is that women have children and expect the government to provide the necessities, and in many cases, the luxuries to raise them. There is a saintly woman who lives nearby who manages a group of missions in Nicaraqua . Weekly, during the summer, volunteers load a tractor trailer with food, clothing, shoes, tools, furniture, candles, etc. This happens every Tuesday, throughout the summer. One trailer, loaded front to back, top to bottom, side to side. I know because I helped to load one. No condoms. Wonderful photos of the people she helps, mother, father, six or eight kids, all wearing tee shirts and shorts with team logos or college names or Hello Kitty. Sigh, it hurts me to write this, 16 years of catholic education you know.

    People have an absolute right to have children, but a moral imperative to take responsibility for the raising of their children.

    There looks to be a clash here between “right” and “moral imperative”. Which one should win?

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    bomag, there are no winners when people who can't care for their children can still expect someone else to provide for them. The US has been heavily invested in this since LBJ.
  50. @Buffalo Joe
    People have an absolute right to have children, but a moral imperative to take responsibility for the raising of their children. One of the biggest bones of contention in this country is that women have children and expect the government to provide the necessities, and in many cases, the luxuries to raise them. There is a saintly woman who lives nearby who manages a group of missions in Nicaraqua . Weekly, during the summer, volunteers load a tractor trailer with food, clothing, shoes, tools, furniture, candles, etc. This happens every Tuesday, throughout the summer. One trailer, loaded front to back, top to bottom, side to side. I know because I helped to load one. No condoms. Wonderful photos of the people she helps, mother, father, six or eight kids, all wearing tee shirts and shorts with team logos or college names or Hello Kitty. Sigh, it hurts me to write this, 16 years of catholic education you know.

    It hurt us even more to read it. What exactly was the point of your post anways

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    Kyle, maybe poorly stated on my part, but trying to control population growth that is unsustainable and providing total care for the same population is a problem.
  51. @Das
    So Denmark is doing a lot better than the Trump administration, which bizarrely made it its first priority to defund family planning programs in the Third World.

    Why should we be footing the bill for their animal like breeding habits? Let the euros be the planned parenthood of the African plains. We’ve got enough problems with our own vibrant here in the states.

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  52. @Paranoid Android
    Won't work. My parents were doctors back in South Africa and the hospital there used to hand out condoms. Big boxes of them would be untouched because the African's are having none of it. To them having a large family is both a status symbol and a way of ensuring their legacy lives on. They want their large families and any attempt otherwise is completely mistrusted as neo-colonialism.

    To them having a large family is both a status symbol and a way of ensuring their legacy lives on.

    We can learn something from them, actually.

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  53. @SoCal Philosopher
    Just out of curiosity, has anyone seen efforts to control population in Africa labeled as racist? I haven't seen, but now that I think about it, I'm surprised I haven't.

    You’ve slept through the AIDS epidemic and Ebola. Weren’t you aware that white devils created those pandemics to keep the black population down? That’s some racist stuff there now.

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  54. Denmark, like a number of other EU nations, has in recent years been under pressure to deal with a rising number of asylum seekers and immigrants arriving in Europe. …

    Got to love the passive voice. “Under pressure” from whom?

    Is Japan feeling this mysterious pressure? What about Saudi Arabia?

    Denmark has pledged more funds for family planning in developing nations, saying this could also help “limit the migration pressure on Europe”.

    A dozen armed ships and 2000 extra border guards would completely eliminate any migration pressue on Europe.

    I have to believe that we live in what will be seen as one of the most bizarre periods in history. The most powerful, technologically-advanced people done in by their feelings. Historians may very well believe that such a people didn’t deserve to exist. Nature doesn’t favor the tender hearted.

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    I have to believe that we live in what will be seen as one of the most bizarre periods in history.
     
    Definitely. I can't think of a precedent. There were times when countries were invaded with the collusion of traitors and fifth columnists within, as is happening now. But at least the indigenous population could see what was going on and put up a fight.
    , @Chrisnonymous

    I have to believe that we live in what will be seen as one of the most bizarre periods in history. The most powerful, technologically-advanced people done in by their feelings. Historians may very well believe that such a people didn’t deserve to exist. Nature doesn’t favor the tender hearted.
     
    Indeed:

    While this last solution clearly offers the only means of our survival, it is morally abhorrent to many people. Some say they feel guilty about their good luck. My reply is simple: "Get out and yield your place to others." This may solve the problem of the guilt-ridden person's conscience, but it does not change the ethics of the lifeboat. The needy person to whom the guilt-ridden person yields his place will not himself feel guilty about his good luck. If he did, he would not climb aboard. The net result of conscience-stricken people giving up their unjustly held seats is the elimination of that sort of conscience from the lifeboat.
     
    http://www.garretthardinsociety.org/articles/art_lifeboat_ethics_case_against_helping_poor.html
  55. @Buffalo Joe
    People have an absolute right to have children, but a moral imperative to take responsibility for the raising of their children. One of the biggest bones of contention in this country is that women have children and expect the government to provide the necessities, and in many cases, the luxuries to raise them. There is a saintly woman who lives nearby who manages a group of missions in Nicaraqua . Weekly, during the summer, volunteers load a tractor trailer with food, clothing, shoes, tools, furniture, candles, etc. This happens every Tuesday, throughout the summer. One trailer, loaded front to back, top to bottom, side to side. I know because I helped to load one. No condoms. Wonderful photos of the people she helps, mother, father, six or eight kids, all wearing tee shirts and shorts with team logos or college names or Hello Kitty. Sigh, it hurts me to write this, 16 years of catholic education you know.

    If don’t want mice in the house, it’s probably a good idea to not lay food out for them.

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  56. @unit472
    To be honest sending a million machetes to Rwanda would cost about the same and achieve more than Denmark's contraceptive program.

    We need more people like you.

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  57. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    If don't want mice in the house, it's probably a good idea to not lay food out for them.

    Citi, Thank you, nicely and succinctly said.

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    Sorry if my comment seemed like that was directed at you. I'm quite sure that you know the score.
  58. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Denmark, like a number of other EU nations, has in recent years been under pressure to deal with a rising number of asylum seekers and immigrants arriving in Europe. …
     
    Got to love the passive voice. "Under pressure" from whom?

    Is Japan feeling this mysterious pressure? What about Saudi Arabia?

    Denmark has pledged more funds for family planning in developing nations, saying this could also help “limit the migration pressure on Europe”.
     
    A dozen armed ships and 2000 extra border guards would completely eliminate any migration pressue on Europe.

    I have to believe that we live in what will be seen as one of the most bizarre periods in history. The most powerful, technologically-advanced people done in by their feelings. Historians may very well believe that such a people didn't deserve to exist. Nature doesn't favor the tender hearted.

    I have to believe that we live in what will be seen as one of the most bizarre periods in history.

    Definitely. I can’t think of a precedent. There were times when countries were invaded with the collusion of traitors and fifth columnists within, as is happening now. But at least the indigenous population could see what was going on and put up a fight.

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    Yeah, I've tried to find a historical parallel, and I just can't, not on this scale and speed. To some degree, the original Romans were all but gone by the end of the empire, replaced by people of other races/ethnicities who had adopted Roman culture, though likely weakening it because, well, they weren't really Roman now, were they. So I suppose that you could say that the Romans imported other people and allowed them to slow supplant the indigenous population.

    But that took centuries, not one or two generations. And the Romans certainly denigrate their own people/culture and bow down to their equivalent of the Magical Negro.

    Nope, what we're witnessing is very likely unprecedented - and tragic, at least for us whites who aren't sucidial.

    The weird part is no one notices. Whites just walk around like this is all normal. What, the German people who have inhabited their land for thousands of years and accomplished so much could lose control over their world in the course of 100 years - three or four generations. The Franks could become a minority in their land over that same period. The Franks! The people who beat the shit out all but a few of their cousines since the end of the Roman Empire conquered by blacks and browns who can't organize a tea party. Everyone just thinks that's perfectly normal and quite acceptable.

    Bizarre.
    , @Eagle Eye

    The problem is not just the absence of will to stop the invaders, it’s the will to ensure they keep coming. How else do you explain the European navies’ picking up the invaders when they’re still closer to Africa and bringing them the rest of the way to their destination? Europe is ruled not by people too incompetent to police borders, but by traitors.
     
    Exactly.

    The traitors know their "marks" and know EXACTLY what to do to get away with their massive scam.

    Sadly, even among the reading population, 95% are of the mindset that unless there is "proof beyond a reasonable doubt," it would be "wrong" to conclude that the all-pervasive government-media complex is conducting a massive campaign aimed at subverting and annihilating the West.

    This refusal to see may be understandable as a human reaction to cognitive dissonance, but it deprives the sufferer of crucial and perhaps vital insights.

    Considering all the known facts, large and small, of government and media action over the past 20-30 years, treason and a nihilistic urge to destroy remain as the ONLY plausible explanations.

  59. @Kyle a
    It hurt us even more to read it. What exactly was the point of your post anways

    Kyle, maybe poorly stated on my part, but trying to control population growth that is unsustainable and providing total care for the same population is a problem.

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  60. @bomag

    People have an absolute right to have children, but a moral imperative to take responsibility for the raising of their children.
     
    There looks to be a clash here between "right" and "moral imperative". Which one should win?

    bomag, there are no winners when people who can’t care for their children can still expect someone else to provide for them. The US has been heavily invested in this since LBJ.

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  61. I’ll risk being wrong, but my sense is that a Danish political leader, Pernille Vermund, is trying to create policy space for more immigration restrictions in Denmark be forming a new party. Sailer says Denmark has been led by political parties that are the most immigration skeptical in Western Europe. Denmark should lead the way by not only toughening up immigration laws, but they should also begin mass expulsions of immigrants and foreigners too. The age of mass immigration will be followed by the age of EXPULSION. Remove the FOREIGNERS now!

    John Derbyshire, when he is not busy digging holes in Long Island, also digs up some new political bits. Derbyshire brought Pernille Vermund to our attention.

    The Danish people should preserve Denmark for Danes. To be or not to be, if you flood your nation with Third Worlders you won’t be for very long.

    Pernille Vermund article:

    Meet Pernille Vermund, new Danish anti-migrant leader who wants OUT of EU & strong UK ties http://shr.gs/AI8DGzF

    Vermund and her foes, Juncker and Tusk:

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  62. @Buffalo Joe
    Citi, Thank you, nicely and succinctly said.

    Sorry if my comment seemed like that was directed at you. I’m quite sure that you know the score.

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  63. @Rob McX

    I have to believe that we live in what will be seen as one of the most bizarre periods in history.
     
    Definitely. I can't think of a precedent. There were times when countries were invaded with the collusion of traitors and fifth columnists within, as is happening now. But at least the indigenous population could see what was going on and put up a fight.

    Yeah, I’ve tried to find a historical parallel, and I just can’t, not on this scale and speed. To some degree, the original Romans were all but gone by the end of the empire, replaced by people of other races/ethnicities who had adopted Roman culture, though likely weakening it because, well, they weren’t really Roman now, were they. So I suppose that you could say that the Romans imported other people and allowed them to slow supplant the indigenous population.

    But that took centuries, not one or two generations. And the Romans certainly denigrate their own people/culture and bow down to their equivalent of the Magical Negro.

    Nope, what we’re witnessing is very likely unprecedented – and tragic, at least for us whites who aren’t sucidial.

    The weird part is no one notices. Whites just walk around like this is all normal. What, the German people who have inhabited their land for thousands of years and accomplished so much could lose control over their world in the course of 100 years – three or four generations. The Franks could become a minority in their land over that same period. The Franks! The people who beat the shit out all but a few of their cousines since the end of the Roman Empire conquered by blacks and browns who can’t organize a tea party. Everyone just thinks that’s perfectly normal and quite acceptable.

    Bizarre.

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    It is especially bizarre considering one can likely see the change in the ethnic/racial/religious composition of the population, and yet still be blase about what is going on. Though perhaps maybe many Whites don't notice, there has, as Steve has often pointed out, a war on noticing. Incognizance is bliss.
  64. @KM32
    What really baffles me is Ireland. They spent 300 years fighting to free themselves of English domination, and they're going to hand their little island over to Syrians, Poles, and Africans in a single generation.

    I have an Irish friend, and he's always bitching about the English, yet when I suggested that maybe a country of a few million people and--what? 30,000 square miles?--should be cautious about immigration, especially of the Islamic variety, he practically blew a fuse at my "racism."

    I get to Ireland pretty frequently and I can tell you that outside the Dublin area there is no desire for any non European immigration whatsoever. They aren’t even particularly happy with the Polish influx.
    There are, as always, exceptions, mainly of the nice white lady variety.
    The bien pensants in the capital seem to feel that becoming a Humanitarian Superpower will at long last let them take their place in the sun.
    Alan Shatter, the now deposed former Minister for the Interior insisted that, as Ireland was a nation of emigrants, it owed a duty to humanity to accept all who wanted to come. Opposite argument but same result as the USA.
    I’ll leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine his tribe.
    Yesterday a nice Muslim lady stabbed her three year old twenty some times before turning the knife on herself. She only succeeded in killing the child.

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    Poles and Brits seem to get on well - compared to Irish and Poles. Is that because the UK is getting a better class of Pole or because I'm picking up MSM propaganda which is more than happy to talk up friction between whites while totally ignoring issues with the vibrancy?

    (((Alan Shatter))) FYI.
  65. @Travis
    how much would they need to pay Africans to submit to sterilization ? Would $2,500 convince some African men to get a vasectomy ? Would women agree to be implanted with Norplant for $500 ?

    how much would they need to pay Africans to submit to sterilization ? Would $2,500 convince some African men to get a vasectomy ? Would women agree to be implanted with Norplant for $500 ?

    It’s much more useful to sterilize the women. After all, it only takes one man to impregnate dozens of women, particularly in Africa. In fact, I’d wager that if you sterilized all the men but one in an African village, the one fertile male would be Mister Popularity in no time flat, and the women would be lining up to have his babies.

    But if you shut down a womb, you’ve taken a baby factory off-line. This is also why promoting condoms is pointless and silly when the target population consists of men who just aren’t going to wear them, and even if some do, what’s the difference in a population where monogamy is viewed dimly.

    Norplant for money is interesting, in that Africans have little future time orientation, so “give me the money now” would probably be quite effective, and odds are they wouldn’t understand what they are doing anyway.

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    • Replies: @AM

    Norplant for money is interesting, in that Africans have little future time orientation, so “give me the money now” would probably be quite effective, and odds are they wouldn’t understand what they are doing anyway.
     
    Warships in the Mediterranean are much honest and moral, ironically. Playing God always backfires. Why do we want to get to this level of meddling in other nations? We already do too much of it.
    , @Travis
    good point. Not sure what the family planning operations are offering women in Africa. Seems like it would be difficult to get women to use Norplant unless they were paid , since they achieve status via the number of children they have. The contraceptive implants and IUDs would probably be easier to justify than sterilizations and less costly. Would be interesting to know how many African women today are using these methods and if paying them $500 would increase usage of these methods significantly ?
  66. @Steve Sailer
    There are about 40 different sub-Saharan countries, so it wouldn't be hard to get them to compete for foreign aid based on declines in fertility, as measured by international bodies.

    Given the people we are talking about, I don’t think they would implement fertility declines like it has happened in the rest of the world with family planning, contraception, etc. It has been a struggle to get Sub Saharan Africans to use condoms to prevent the spread HIV and that can kill them. Some of them would resort to much more barbaric methods to reduce birthrates rather quickly.

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    • Replies: @Wilkey
    The fact is that Africa is turning into a conintent-sized welfare case. Restrict aid to only those countries that reduce their birthrates. If none of them do then give them no aid at all. Without the aid their populations will not survive. One way or the other their population growth will slow.
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    @Steve Sailer
    There are about 40 different sub-Saharan countries, so it wouldn't be hard to get them to compete for foreign aid based on declines in fertility, as measured by international bodies.

    But the question becomes “do they WANT to see a decline in their fertility?” Sub-Saharan Africa is collectively for all intents and purposes a pre-industrial society whose denizen would no more understand “contraception” than a dog would understand differential equations.

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  68. @The Z Blog
    There's a lot of wishful thinking with regards to demographics. Controlling SSA fertility is a fool's errand. It will not happen. It's not like no one has been trying. Then what?

    The truth is the West should withdraw all medical and food aid from SSA and then let nature return the human population to a sustainable level. That's monstrous, which is why it is unthinkable, but it is also why it is inevitable. A billion Africans in Europe makes Europe incapable of sending food and medicine to Africa. They may not even be able to feed themselves.

    Imagine the worst possible solution to over-population in SSA and that's going to be the best option in the future. In fifty years, what's left of the West will look back and wonder why organized, continent-wide genocide was not the obvious solution to the rulers of today. But, maybe this is ma Nature cleaning up her mess. The Great African Diaspora will wipe out the honky as the last one wiped out the Neanderthal.

    “In fifty years, what’s left of the West will look back and wonder why organized, continent-wide genocide was not the obvious solution to the rulers of today.”

    It is the obvious solution, and they’re practicing it. Just on a different continent than the one you mean.

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  69. @John 157
    I work for a Danish owned company, I was in Denmark last March. I hit the bars after work one day with the Danes and none of them was afraid to talk about any subject with me.... race, IQ, immigration, muslims, blacks, and crime were all discussed, some of us were in agreement some disagreed but no subject was taboo. One Dane even gladly acknowledged that he would rather hang around with me because we share a common race, language (they all spoke great English) and ideals, than any African he had ever met, none of the other Danes spoke up to disagree with him.

    What do they think about everybody in Europe speaking English? I just wonder how long their languages can survive, and with it their unique cultures. I can very selfishly say I’m glad I grew up with the language of the future. Probably the entire world will speak English in 50 years (outside of L.A., that is).

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  70. @CK
    "Close the border" means that your citizens will be shooting to kill the incoming women and children that will be in the front rows of border crashers. Neither words nor physical walls will prevail; it will, as it always has, come to blood. There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.

    “Close the border” means that your citizens will be shooting to kill …

    Whatever happens, we have got
    The Maxim gun, and they have not.

    Hilaire Belloc

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  71. This is very good.

    We need cover from Lib “let’s help the Africans” .

    Helping poor urban women have access to women’s health, women’s family planning of wealthy suburban women.

    The Black underclass population has been stabalized in places like Chicago and New York thanks to family planning, including abortion rights.

    Yeah, I know everyone likes nice pro life Christian folks in still white places like Nebraska – in the South Bronx and the West Side of CHicago, Baltimore – and Haiti, no.

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  72. Denmark is the most liberal country in the world, the BBC think they can detect racism everywhere.

    Denmark’s government has been the most immigration skeptical government in Western Europe for most of this century.

    Not that it has had any effect on the number of non Europeans coming to stay in Denmark, which has risen steeply and inexorably over the past few decades.

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  73. Pernille Vermund is a female Danish political leader who got tired of the weak and cowardly puppets who control an allegedly immigration restrictionist political party but still allow immigration to culturally degrade Denmark. Vermund started her own political party to push the cowardly trimmers who waffle when it come to restricting immigration to protect the Danish people. Vermund has beauty, brains and bravery.

    Pernille Vermund said this in a debate with a political foe:

    - Politicians fail. It’s fine to talk about austerity, but it is of course not together when we see everyday with “Koran blocks”, with increased surveillance, where we are security checked in the head and buttocks, where we see a life where our young people can not take to a concert without being faced with the risk of terrorism, a life where young men being stabbed because they are Danish, and where women are raped.

    - It is not something that has come over one night. For me it was the right landmark that a lot as DF sat on their hands in 2015, when we saw migrants topple up through Europe and over the Danish border. There was not anyone who said stop: DF sat with crucial mandates opportunity to say to Lars Løkke Rasmussen: This we must not find ourselves in. The politicians who had the job of this, they have forever changed Denmark.

    THEY HAVE FOREVER CHANGED DENMARK says Vermund of the politician weaklings whose job it was to protect Denmark from the destructiveness of mass immigration.

    Vermund quotes are from this source, roughly translated:

    http://nyheder.tv2.dk/politik/2017-06-19-analyse-jeg-har-aldrig-set-thulesen-dahl-i-defensiven-paa-den-maade-foer-0

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  74. @JMcG
    I get to Ireland pretty frequently and I can tell you that outside the Dublin area there is no desire for any non European immigration whatsoever. They aren't even particularly happy with the Polish influx.
    There are, as always, exceptions, mainly of the nice white lady variety.
    The bien pensants in the capital seem to feel that becoming a Humanitarian Superpower will at long last let them take their place in the sun.
    Alan Shatter, the now deposed former Minister for the Interior insisted that, as Ireland was a nation of emigrants, it owed a duty to humanity to accept all who wanted to come. Opposite argument but same result as the USA.
    I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine his tribe.
    Yesterday a nice Muslim lady stabbed her three year old twenty some times before turning the knife on herself. She only succeeded in killing the child.

    Poles and Brits seem to get on well – compared to Irish and Poles. Is that because the UK is getting a better class of Pole or because I’m picking up MSM propaganda which is more than happy to talk up friction between whites while totally ignoring issues with the vibrancy?

    (((Alan Shatter))) FYI.

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    (((Alan Shatter))) FYI.

     

    Yup. Pretty amazing, that one Jewish dude with a mission ruined an entire nation of white gentiles.
  75. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    They count on foreigner-funded charity to prevent their children from dying from malnutrition or disease,

    I don’t think they are counting on it, it’s just what happens. If whites disappeared tomorrow I’m sure African birth rates would be the same. But death rates would start to rise.

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  76. African birth rates – A friend of mine argues that either Africans, men & women, have a very poor conception of the future or African men are mostly rapists. Which is it?

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    A friend of mine argues that either Africans, men & women, have a very poor conception of the future or African men are mostly rapists. Which is it?

     

    It's actually both of these things. They aren't mutually exclusive.
  77. I have known two from Algeria -both born before the war of indepence from France. According to them family planing has been tried for 4.decades with televisions adds, economic rewards, free contraception. This have almost no effect on most on the population. They don´t care about the state and are highly defairtistic when it comes to the fate of the many children,- it is up to God. Algeria is a highly clannish “country” and I don´t think France never had control over the country. One of the Algerian had a mother from a rich berbian family and a poor illiterate arab father. The marriage was based on a rape where the father has made the mother “unclean” for her family and to tribal law/sharia the rapist says shall marry the unclean women.That is done informally with the state insolvent. This was during the colonial periode and in a highly french city. The Algerian state has little control and legitimacy-People associate with the family, clan and islam. I think you can say that of most of the 3.rd world.

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  78. @CK
    "Close the border" means that your citizens will be shooting to kill the incoming women and children that will be in the front rows of border crashers. Neither words nor physical walls will prevail; it will, as it always has, come to blood. There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.

    “Close the border” means that your citizens will be shooting to kill the incoming women and children that will be in the front rows of border crashers. Neither words nor physical walls will prevail; it will, as it always has, come to blood. There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.

    Mediterranean Sea.

    I’m with you on your basic point that if you want to preserve something nice, it always comes down to blood/force–to “will”.

    But you’re missing the point that while not the US–much less Australia–Europe as a continent actually has very nice borders with respect to keeping out Africans and Arabs/other Muslims) . It’s that whole Mediterranean Sea thing. Because they must cross the Med, Africans would hardly even be arriving in Europe without active European assistance. And the most meager resistance would put them back. Beyond that, Europe has only the smallest land border with the Middle East–very easily policed.

    There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.

    And this bit is a complete joke. When it comes to the West vs. the non-West it’s entirely a matter of will. The inequality in capability, technology and organization between the West and the non-West staggering. The West may not be able to “pacify” or “colonize” the non-West anymore without the willingness to dish out horrendous bloodbaths. But the capability remains. The ability to defend its own borders against invading hordes isn’t just available, it’s absolutely trivial. All that stands in the way is will.

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    "The ability to defend its own borders against invading hordes isn’t just available, it’s absolutely trivial."

    And there's no need to even shoot, anyway. Just be willing, choke off welfare funds and jobs, and the people will stop coming. In fact, you could turn back twenty years of immigration by the end of the year, and without much bloodshed to it. Just get serious, and people will . . . well, to quote Romney "self deport."
    , @Rob McX

    The ability to defend its own borders against invading hordes isn’t just available, it’s absolutely trivial. All that stands in the way is will.
     
    The problem is not just the absence of will to stop the invaders, it's the will to ensure they keep coming. How else do you explain the European navies' picking up the invaders when they're still closer to Africa and bringing them the rest of the way to their destination? Europe is ruled not by people too incompetent to police borders, but by traitors.
    , @CK
    And having seen what you have seen for the last 5 decades where do you see any will to reverse the tide? Do you see it on the Mexican border with the USA or the Mexican border with Guatemala? Do you see it in Malta, Greece, Germany. As Germany has encouraged its own overrunning do you think there is the will in Denmark to man their border with Germany and turn back the invasion?
  79. This is the most idiotic thing I have heard of, and if the Danish People’s Party (which is keeping the government on life support) is voting for it, they have cucked out and need to be replaced with an actual far-right party.

    As other commenters have pointed out, Africans view children as patrimony and Western suggestions that they bring down their TFR are viewed through the lens of Negro-cleansing conspiracy theories.

    The proof of the pudding, of course, is under the crust: that is to say, condom showers have failed to stymie the massive spread of HIV in Africa and why should they stymie the reproductive tendencies of the continent? As a friend who worked for the E.U. in Africa put it, “They f___ like rabbits!”

    More philosophically, Western medical and nutritional aid are precisely what led to Africa’s population boom, by lowering infant mortality rates before they lowered TFR. If SWPLs think more of the same is going to reverse the problem it created, this is insanity by Einstein’s definition: doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

    Lastly, although I am clearly preaching to the choir, the fact that Western elites are deflecting responsibility from protecting their own peoples onto Africans is absolutely hilarious.

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  80. @Buck Turgidson
    You cannot put out a five-alarm fire with a squirt gun.

    You can if the 5-alarm fire is in your mouth, and the squirt gun is full of margarita!

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  81. She said unwanted pregnancies had “enormous” human and social costs in the world’s poorest nations. But she added that limiting Africa’s population growth was also important. …

    Except for that, usually, the pregnancies are not unwanted. Good luck with throwing more free condoms at people you don’t understand. I’m sure it will help. (sarc) Battleships in the Mediterranean will actually accomplish what they want, but whatever.

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  82. @peterike

    how much would they need to pay Africans to submit to sterilization ? Would $2,500 convince some African men to get a vasectomy ? Would women agree to be implanted with Norplant for $500 ?

     

    It's much more useful to sterilize the women. After all, it only takes one man to impregnate dozens of women, particularly in Africa. In fact, I'd wager that if you sterilized all the men but one in an African village, the one fertile male would be Mister Popularity in no time flat, and the women would be lining up to have his babies.

    But if you shut down a womb, you've taken a baby factory off-line. This is also why promoting condoms is pointless and silly when the target population consists of men who just aren't going to wear them, and even if some do, what's the difference in a population where monogamy is viewed dimly.

    Norplant for money is interesting, in that Africans have little future time orientation, so "give me the money now" would probably be quite effective, and odds are they wouldn't understand what they are doing anyway.

    Norplant for money is interesting, in that Africans have little future time orientation, so “give me the money now” would probably be quite effective, and odds are they wouldn’t understand what they are doing anyway.

    Warships in the Mediterranean are much honest and moral, ironically. Playing God always backfires. Why do we want to get to this level of meddling in other nations? We already do too much of it.

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  83. @The Z Blog
    There's a lot of wishful thinking with regards to demographics. Controlling SSA fertility is a fool's errand. It will not happen. It's not like no one has been trying. Then what?

    The truth is the West should withdraw all medical and food aid from SSA and then let nature return the human population to a sustainable level. That's monstrous, which is why it is unthinkable, but it is also why it is inevitable. A billion Africans in Europe makes Europe incapable of sending food and medicine to Africa. They may not even be able to feed themselves.

    Imagine the worst possible solution to over-population in SSA and that's going to be the best option in the future. In fifty years, what's left of the West will look back and wonder why organized, continent-wide genocide was not the obvious solution to the rulers of today. But, maybe this is ma Nature cleaning up her mess. The Great African Diaspora will wipe out the honky as the last one wiped out the Neanderthal.

    The truth is the West should withdraw all medical and food aid from SSA and then let nature return the human population to a sustainable level. That’s monstrous, which is why it is unthinkable, but it is also why it is inevitable

    If we get rid of our own socialism, it will not be possible to send them aid at that scale. Voluntary efforts are not capable of it.

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  84. @Rob McX
    Even without immigration, African population growth needs to be controlled for environmental reasons.

    Yeah, education will fix it:

    https://news.mongabay.com/2017/07/on-poaching-in-south-africa-education-has-saved-more-wildlife-than-any-guard-with-a-gun/

    Rhinos are the poachers’ target of choice. Their keratin horns sell for more than $4,000 per ounce, making the value of gold seem paltry by comparison, at $1,200 per ounce. The ivory tusks of African elephants are still in demand, and the bones from lions, hyenas and vultures have a black market value all their own.

    “The poachers are winning; they never take a day off,” said Glenn Thompson, ProTrack’s commanding officer of enforcement in Hoedspruit. Wearing military garb and a beret, he checked his smartphone to see that more than a dozen suspected poachers entered Kruger the morning I spoke to him.

    ‘There’s a dilemma’

    Death comes daily to each species – despite ProTrack’s efforts, and the efforts of Kruger’s own ample land-and-air anti-poaching patrols. More than 7,500 square miles of habitat (just smaller than Wales) and a porous border with Mozambique tilt the odds toward the poachers.

    The product of all this carnage heads mostly to Asia, especially China and Vietnam, where powdered rhino horn is believed to cure disease or promote sexual desire. Ivory still gets carved into beautiful ornaments, with too much still entering the U.S., even though it’s banned. Lion and vulture bones are believed to possess mystical qualities for ancient rituals.

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  85. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Denmark, like a number of other EU nations, has in recent years been under pressure to deal with a rising number of asylum seekers and immigrants arriving in Europe. …
     
    Got to love the passive voice. "Under pressure" from whom?

    Is Japan feeling this mysterious pressure? What about Saudi Arabia?

    Denmark has pledged more funds for family planning in developing nations, saying this could also help “limit the migration pressure on Europe”.
     
    A dozen armed ships and 2000 extra border guards would completely eliminate any migration pressue on Europe.

    I have to believe that we live in what will be seen as one of the most bizarre periods in history. The most powerful, technologically-advanced people done in by their feelings. Historians may very well believe that such a people didn't deserve to exist. Nature doesn't favor the tender hearted.

    I have to believe that we live in what will be seen as one of the most bizarre periods in history. The most powerful, technologically-advanced people done in by their feelings. Historians may very well believe that such a people didn’t deserve to exist. Nature doesn’t favor the tender hearted.

    Indeed:

    While this last solution clearly offers the only means of our survival, it is morally abhorrent to many people. Some say they feel guilty about their good luck. My reply is simple: “Get out and yield your place to others.” This may solve the problem of the guilt-ridden person’s conscience, but it does not change the ethics of the lifeboat. The needy person to whom the guilt-ridden person yields his place will not himself feel guilty about his good luck. If he did, he would not climb aboard. The net result of conscience-stricken people giving up their unjustly held seats is the elimination of that sort of conscience from the lifeboat.

    http://www.garretthardinsociety.org/articles/art_lifeboat_ethics_case_against_helping_poor.html

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  86. @AnotherDad

    “Close the border” means that your citizens will be shooting to kill the incoming women and children that will be in the front rows of border crashers. Neither words nor physical walls will prevail; it will, as it always has, come to blood. There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.
     
    Mediterranean Sea.

    I'm with you on your basic point that if you want to preserve something nice, it always comes down to blood/force--to "will".

    But you're missing the point that while not the US--much less Australia--Europe as a continent actually has very nice borders with respect to keeping out Africans and Arabs/other Muslims) . It's that whole Mediterranean Sea thing. Because they must cross the Med, Africans would hardly even be arriving in Europe without active European assistance. And the most meager resistance would put them back. Beyond that, Europe has only the smallest land border with the Middle East--very easily policed.

    There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.
     
    And this bit is a complete joke. When it comes to the West vs. the non-West it's entirely a matter of will. The inequality in capability, technology and organization between the West and the non-West staggering. The West may not be able to "pacify" or "colonize" the non-West anymore without the willingness to dish out horrendous bloodbaths. But the capability remains. The ability to defend its own borders against invading hordes isn't just available, it's absolutely trivial. All that stands in the way is will.

    “The ability to defend its own borders against invading hordes isn’t just available, it’s absolutely trivial.”

    And there’s no need to even shoot, anyway. Just be willing, choke off welfare funds and jobs, and the people will stop coming. In fact, you could turn back twenty years of immigration by the end of the year, and without much bloodshed to it. Just get serious, and people will . . . well, to quote Romney “self deport.”

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  87. @AnotherDad

    “Close the border” means that your citizens will be shooting to kill the incoming women and children that will be in the front rows of border crashers. Neither words nor physical walls will prevail; it will, as it always has, come to blood. There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.
     
    Mediterranean Sea.

    I'm with you on your basic point that if you want to preserve something nice, it always comes down to blood/force--to "will".

    But you're missing the point that while not the US--much less Australia--Europe as a continent actually has very nice borders with respect to keeping out Africans and Arabs/other Muslims) . It's that whole Mediterranean Sea thing. Because they must cross the Med, Africans would hardly even be arriving in Europe without active European assistance. And the most meager resistance would put them back. Beyond that, Europe has only the smallest land border with the Middle East--very easily policed.

    There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.
     
    And this bit is a complete joke. When it comes to the West vs. the non-West it's entirely a matter of will. The inequality in capability, technology and organization between the West and the non-West staggering. The West may not be able to "pacify" or "colonize" the non-West anymore without the willingness to dish out horrendous bloodbaths. But the capability remains. The ability to defend its own borders against invading hordes isn't just available, it's absolutely trivial. All that stands in the way is will.

    The ability to defend its own borders against invading hordes isn’t just available, it’s absolutely trivial. All that stands in the way is will.

    The problem is not just the absence of will to stop the invaders, it’s the will to ensure they keep coming. How else do you explain the European navies’ picking up the invaders when they’re still closer to Africa and bringing them the rest of the way to their destination? Europe is ruled not by people too incompetent to police borders, but by traitors.

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  88. @Lurker
    Poles and Brits seem to get on well - compared to Irish and Poles. Is that because the UK is getting a better class of Pole or because I'm picking up MSM propaganda which is more than happy to talk up friction between whites while totally ignoring issues with the vibrancy?

    (((Alan Shatter))) FYI.

    (((Alan Shatter))) FYI.

    Yup. Pretty amazing, that one Jewish dude with a mission ruined an entire nation of white gentiles.

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    Yup. Pretty amazing, that one Jewish dude with a mission ruined an entire nation of white gentiles.
     
    With the strong support of the badly misnamed Sinn Fein.
    , @JMcG
    I believe that Ireland has the worst political class in the developed world. The politicians and journalists seem to have raging inferiority complexes. Alan Shatter stands out as the bottom of a very deep barrel. Read his Wiki entry (I know, I know) for just a little flavor of the man.
    He'd be executing kulaks given half a chance.
  89. “It has been a struggle to get Sub Saharan Africans to use condoms to prevent the spread HIV and that can kill them.”

    True, but men are more interested in sex than in babies, so perhaps there is hope.

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  90. @Lurker
    African birth rates - A friend of mine argues that either Africans, men & women, have a very poor conception of the future or African men are mostly rapists. Which is it?

    A friend of mine argues that either Africans, men & women, have a very poor conception of the future or African men are mostly rapists. Which is it?

    It’s actually both of these things. They aren’t mutually exclusive.

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  91. @Barnard
    Given the people we are talking about, I don't think they would implement fertility declines like it has happened in the rest of the world with family planning, contraception, etc. It has been a struggle to get Sub Saharan Africans to use condoms to prevent the spread HIV and that can kill them. Some of them would resort to much more barbaric methods to reduce birthrates rather quickly.

    The fact is that Africa is turning into a conintent-sized welfare case. Restrict aid to only those countries that reduce their birthrates. If none of them do then give them no aid at all. Without the aid their populations will not survive. One way or the other their population growth will slow.

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  92. Burnham used the political truths gleaned from the writings of the Machiavellians to construct an analytical framework for studying domestic and international politics. That framework consisted of a number of core theses, including that (1) an objective science of politics describes and correlates observable facts and eschews advocacy of any political goals; (2) political science is primarily concerned with the struggle for power among people and groups; (3) all societies are divided between a ruling class and the ruled, an elite and the non-elite; (4) history and political science should focus on the study of the elite or ruling class, and its relation to the non-elite; and (5) the primary goal of every ruling class is to maintain and expand its power and privileges. Therefore, the rhetoric used by these ruling classes should be carefully analyzed for what it says about the political elite’s desire to retain power and exclude the non-elites.

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    Sam Francis was the writer who introduced me to all that stuff about political power and ruling classes. It seemed rather obvious to me, but other people didn't instinctively understand it.

    It frigging amazes me that people don't understand that debt and demography are now driving politics in the United States. The debt-based fiat currency system, the government debt made possible by monetary extremism, private debt expanded by cheap credit, and mass immigration.

    This Tweet is from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/576031160062586881
  93. @CK
    "Close the border" means that your citizens will be shooting to kill the incoming women and children that will be in the front rows of border crashers. Neither words nor physical walls will prevail; it will, as it always has, come to blood. There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.

    Ready, aye ready.

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  94. @John 157
    I work for a Danish owned company, I was in Denmark last March. I hit the bars after work one day with the Danes and none of them was afraid to talk about any subject with me.... race, IQ, immigration, muslims, blacks, and crime were all discussed, some of us were in agreement some disagreed but no subject was taboo. One Dane even gladly acknowledged that he would rather hang around with me because we share a common race, language (they all spoke great English) and ideals, than any African he had ever met, none of the other Danes spoke up to disagree with him.

    Apparently a huge behavioral gap between Danes and Swedes. The one Norwegian I’ve talked to about this sort of thing was more in the Swede direction. Not overtly PC, just a long silence and a switch to talking about music. We were in a bar in a semi-sleazy part of San Jose, CR and people had warned him about it. He laughed and said there were much worse places in Oslo. I said, “You mean Muslim or immigrant areas?”

    This was pre-Brevik.

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  95. @peterike

    (((Alan Shatter))) FYI.

     

    Yup. Pretty amazing, that one Jewish dude with a mission ruined an entire nation of white gentiles.

    Yup. Pretty amazing, that one Jewish dude with a mission ruined an entire nation of white gentiles.

    With the strong support of the badly misnamed Sinn Fein.

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    I was there last year for some of the commemorations of the centenary of the Easter Rising. Every single person I talked to, dozens at least, acknowledged that the men who died in the cause of Irish independence would be appalled and ashamed at what's become of their country.
    You can even pick up hints of recognition of that fact in the media coverage.
    Sinn Fein is a sick joke. Gerry Adams is an embarrassment with the blood of innocent women and children on his hands.
  96. @Rob McX

    I have to believe that we live in what will be seen as one of the most bizarre periods in history.
     
    Definitely. I can't think of a precedent. There were times when countries were invaded with the collusion of traitors and fifth columnists within, as is happening now. But at least the indigenous population could see what was going on and put up a fight.

    The problem is not just the absence of will to stop the invaders, it’s the will to ensure they keep coming. How else do you explain the European navies’ picking up the invaders when they’re still closer to Africa and bringing them the rest of the way to their destination? Europe is ruled not by people too incompetent to police borders, but by traitors.

    Exactly.

    The traitors know their “marks” and know EXACTLY what to do to get away with their massive scam.

    Sadly, even among the reading population, 95% are of the mindset that unless there is “proof beyond a reasonable doubt,” it would be “wrong” to conclude that the all-pervasive government-media complex is conducting a massive campaign aimed at subverting and annihilating the West.

    This refusal to see may be understandable as a human reaction to cognitive dissonance, but it deprives the sufferer of crucial and perhaps vital insights.

    Considering all the known facts, large and small, of government and media action over the past 20-30 years, treason and a nihilistic urge to destroy remain as the ONLY plausible explanations.

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  97. @HBD Guy
    Burnham used the political truths gleaned from the writings of the Machiavellians to construct an analytical framework for studying domestic and international politics. That framework consisted of a number of core theses, including that (1) an objective science of politics describes and correlates observable facts and eschews advocacy of any political goals; (2) political science is primarily concerned with the struggle for power among people and groups; (3) all societies are divided between a ruling class and the ruled, an elite and the non-elite; (4) history and political science should focus on the study of the elite or ruling class, and its relation to the non-elite; and (5) the primary goal of every ruling class is to maintain and expand its power and privileges. Therefore, the rhetoric used by these ruling classes should be carefully analyzed for what it says about the political elite’s desire to retain power and exclude the non-elites.

    Sam Francis was the writer who introduced me to all that stuff about political power and ruling classes. It seemed rather obvious to me, but other people didn’t instinctively understand it.

    It frigging amazes me that people don’t understand that debt and demography are now driving politics in the United States. The debt-based fiat currency system, the government debt made possible by monetary extremism, private debt expanded by cheap credit, and mass immigration.

    This Tweet is from 2015:

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  98. @Whiskey
    The only hope really is China. China has considerable military resources already on the Continent. They have a base on the Horn of Africa, and the largest peace-keeping presence in South Sudan (oil). The Chinese are also present in East Africa, and in West Africa. China needs a vast amount of natural resources having long ago exhausted its own; and Africa is highly populated but poorly defended.

    China is now even abandoning its neutrality policy and openly as in South Sudan intervening in places with no effective Central Government (they backed Khadaffy for far too long, not realizing he'd lost control early on).

    China has power the West does not -- they can intimidate in a way that the soft men of the West cannot, the SJW feminists who run and control the media as a matter of personnel. They have no problem with killing lots of people, which is what it will take to efficiently exploit Africa's natural resources for their own ends. And they are not interested in the half of Africa that does not move to Europe moving to Asia and eventually screwing up their own plans for their Greater Chinese Co Prosperity Sphere.

    No one in Europe is serious, and all lack the means to stop a 200 million plus influx of Africans. It can't be done -- Europe does not have the planes or boats to stop them; much less the will. Most of their women and gays who effectively run things through Cuckservatives (known as dutiful husbands and fathers of girls) WANT half of Africa raping through their nation. Duh. There are no ends to the ways in which men and women in the West after the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, and mass female led consumerism are enemies with incompatible aims: Women the Game of Thrones society they all thrill for; Men the Leave it To Beaver society they yearn for.

    Japan may have half of its people age 30 virgins, with most Japanese men "scared" of girls/women (translation: they know already they are not the Alpha players their women demand so they opt out of losing); but at least the sex drives of their women have been sublimated into Kawaii and other female-driven competition to be the cutest spinster age 35 on the block.

    Yessir; when it comes to protecting the environment and curbing overpopulation, the Chinese are the ones for the job! When is your next HBO stand-up special? I don’t want to miss more comedy gold.

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    The Chinese birth rate is now below replacement level. What the hell are you talking about?
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    @Buck Turgidson
    You cannot put out a five-alarm fire with a squirt gun.

    You cannot put out a five-alarm fire with a squirt gun.

    It a step toward winning over the hearts and minds of Danes and other Europeans to the necessity of controlling Africa’s population growth and limiting African immigration.

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  100. @Ripple Earthdevil
    OT: California Shakespeare Theater ("Cal Shakes") has gone all-black:

    https://tickets.calshakes.org/Online/

    Cal Shakes is an outdoor theater located in the hills of Orinda, an affluent suburb just on the other side of the Oakland/Berkeley Hills via the Caldecott Tunnel.

    I see they are staging some Negroid bastardisation of The Odyssey. From the media, nothing but crickets about appropriation (cf. Hamilton).

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  101. @peterike

    (((Alan Shatter))) FYI.

     

    Yup. Pretty amazing, that one Jewish dude with a mission ruined an entire nation of white gentiles.

    I believe that Ireland has the worst political class in the developed world. The politicians and journalists seem to have raging inferiority complexes. Alan Shatter stands out as the bottom of a very deep barrel. Read his Wiki entry (I know, I know) for just a little flavor of the man.
    He’d be executing kulaks given half a chance.

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  102. @fnn

    Yup. Pretty amazing, that one Jewish dude with a mission ruined an entire nation of white gentiles.
     
    With the strong support of the badly misnamed Sinn Fein.

    I was there last year for some of the commemorations of the centenary of the Easter Rising. Every single person I talked to, dozens at least, acknowledged that the men who died in the cause of Irish independence would be appalled and ashamed at what’s become of their country.
    You can even pick up hints of recognition of that fact in the media coverage.
    Sinn Fein is a sick joke. Gerry Adams is an embarrassment with the blood of innocent women and children on his hands.

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  103. @Cheetah
    This was only possible due to absence of religious right in Denmark.

    This was only possible due to absence of religious right in Denmark.

    Precisely. As Chesterton might have said (although the actual quote is wrongly attributed to him):

    When people stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing — they believe in anything.

    In the 21st century, the West is succumbing to zombie-like, educationalized hordes burning with a fanatical belief in “anything.”

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  104. @AnotherDad

    “Close the border” means that your citizens will be shooting to kill the incoming women and children that will be in the front rows of border crashers. Neither words nor physical walls will prevail; it will, as it always has, come to blood. There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.
     
    Mediterranean Sea.

    I'm with you on your basic point that if you want to preserve something nice, it always comes down to blood/force--to "will".

    But you're missing the point that while not the US--much less Australia--Europe as a continent actually has very nice borders with respect to keeping out Africans and Arabs/other Muslims) . It's that whole Mediterranean Sea thing. Because they must cross the Med, Africans would hardly even be arriving in Europe without active European assistance. And the most meager resistance would put them back. Beyond that, Europe has only the smallest land border with the Middle East--very easily policed.

    There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.
     
    And this bit is a complete joke. When it comes to the West vs. the non-West it's entirely a matter of will. The inequality in capability, technology and organization between the West and the non-West staggering. The West may not be able to "pacify" or "colonize" the non-West anymore without the willingness to dish out horrendous bloodbaths. But the capability remains. The ability to defend its own borders against invading hordes isn't just available, it's absolutely trivial. All that stands in the way is will.

    And having seen what you have seen for the last 5 decades where do you see any will to reverse the tide? Do you see it on the Mexican border with the USA or the Mexican border with Guatemala? Do you see it in Malta, Greece, Germany. As Germany has encouraged its own overrunning do you think there is the will in Denmark to man their border with Germany and turn back the invasion?

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  105. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Yeah, I've tried to find a historical parallel, and I just can't, not on this scale and speed. To some degree, the original Romans were all but gone by the end of the empire, replaced by people of other races/ethnicities who had adopted Roman culture, though likely weakening it because, well, they weren't really Roman now, were they. So I suppose that you could say that the Romans imported other people and allowed them to slow supplant the indigenous population.

    But that took centuries, not one or two generations. And the Romans certainly denigrate their own people/culture and bow down to their equivalent of the Magical Negro.

    Nope, what we're witnessing is very likely unprecedented - and tragic, at least for us whites who aren't sucidial.

    The weird part is no one notices. Whites just walk around like this is all normal. What, the German people who have inhabited their land for thousands of years and accomplished so much could lose control over their world in the course of 100 years - three or four generations. The Franks could become a minority in their land over that same period. The Franks! The people who beat the shit out all but a few of their cousines since the end of the Roman Empire conquered by blacks and browns who can't organize a tea party. Everyone just thinks that's perfectly normal and quite acceptable.

    Bizarre.

    It is especially bizarre considering one can likely see the change in the ethnic/racial/religious composition of the population, and yet still be blase about what is going on. Though perhaps maybe many Whites don’t notice, there has, as Steve has often pointed out, a war on noticing. Incognizance is bliss.

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  106. @CK
    "Close the border" means that your citizens will be shooting to kill the incoming women and children that will be in the front rows of border crashers. Neither words nor physical walls will prevail; it will, as it always has, come to blood. There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.

    “Close the border” means that your citizens will be shooting to kill the incoming women and children

    Ok, sounds like a plan.

    Gaza woman said killed by IDF near border fence

    Neither words nor physical walls will prevail

    Agreed. What is needed to prevail is robot machine gun towers equipped with missles:

    Robo-Snipers, “Auto Kill Zones” to Protect Israeli Borders
    … Connected via fiber optics to a remote operator station and a command-and-control center, each machine gun-mounted station serves as a type of robotic sniper, capable of enforcing a nearly 1,500-meter-deep no-go zone.

    The IDF’s [Israeli Defense Forces] Southern Command is also considering adding Gill/Spike anti-tank missiles to extend the no-go zones to several kilometers, defense and industry sources here said.

    Video: IDF Israel Defense Forces Border Defense System

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  107. @RW
    I've made this point here before. What's more, this fact can be put to good use in bringing liberals to our side on the immigration issue, whether all of us believe it or not. It is the ONLY hope for convincing the left to stop immigration into the first world WHERE LIBERALS BELIEVE THAT OVERPOPULATION PRESSURES ON THE ENVIRONMENT ARE THE MOST DAMAGING.

    Except that too has failed. The Sierra Club is pro mass invasion.

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  108. @CK
    "Close the border" means that your citizens will be shooting to kill the incoming women and children that will be in the front rows of border crashers. Neither words nor physical walls will prevail; it will, as it always has, come to blood. There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.

    There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.

    Well, we at least have to give it the old college try.

    Why do I get the impression this CK will be found robbed, raped and strangled in some vibrant ghetto apartment?

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  109. @A-Bax
    I guess the Danes, unlike Merkel, don't take Jim Morrison lyrics to be the basis of domestic migration policy.

    Methinks Angela took Jim a bit too seriously when he crooned: "The West is the best...get here, and we'll do the rest". (Maybe she should have considered the name of the song that line appears in.)

    The End.

    Oh, I thought it was “Five to one”.

    Five to one, baby, one in five
    No one here gets out alive now
    You get yours, baby, I’ll get mine
    Gonna make it, baby, if we try

    The old get old and the young gets stronger
    May take a week and it may take longer
    They got the guns but we got the numbers
    Gonna win, yeah, we’re takin’ over, come on!

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  110. Denmark’s government has been the most immigration skeptical government in Western Europe for most of this century.

    Gosh, if you came out of your ultra-conservative internet bubble once in a while, you might not appear quite as stupid as you do…

    You might eg. know that your much-hated Sweden contributes even more than Denmark to the UNFPA (I suppose, that’s what the article is about). Sweden alone also gives more than the US to the fund. The EU altogether contributes several times the amount of the US.

    Family planning in developing countries has been on the table for a long time. Only they don’t share your obsession with black Africa.

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  111. @Pericles

    There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.

     

    Well, we at least have to give it the old college try.

    Why do I get the impression this CK will be found robbed, raped and strangled in some vibrant ghetto apartment?

    Projection maybe?

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    Hard to say, what's projecting where? I can see at least two possible cases, but I'll leave it to you to clarify.
  112. @peterike

    how much would they need to pay Africans to submit to sterilization ? Would $2,500 convince some African men to get a vasectomy ? Would women agree to be implanted with Norplant for $500 ?

     

    It's much more useful to sterilize the women. After all, it only takes one man to impregnate dozens of women, particularly in Africa. In fact, I'd wager that if you sterilized all the men but one in an African village, the one fertile male would be Mister Popularity in no time flat, and the women would be lining up to have his babies.

    But if you shut down a womb, you've taken a baby factory off-line. This is also why promoting condoms is pointless and silly when the target population consists of men who just aren't going to wear them, and even if some do, what's the difference in a population where monogamy is viewed dimly.

    Norplant for money is interesting, in that Africans have little future time orientation, so "give me the money now" would probably be quite effective, and odds are they wouldn't understand what they are doing anyway.

    good point. Not sure what the family planning operations are offering women in Africa. Seems like it would be difficult to get women to use Norplant unless they were paid , since they achieve status via the number of children they have. The contraceptive implants and IUDs would probably be easier to justify than sterilizations and less costly. Would be interesting to know how many African women today are using these methods and if paying them $500 would increase usage of these methods significantly ?

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  113. @unit472
    To be honest sending a million machetes to Rwanda would cost about the same and achieve more than Denmark's contraceptive program.

    Very edgy.

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  114. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    I totally support family planning programs in Africa, but I can understand why Trump signaled to evangelicals that he would pay close attention to their concerns. He owes them big time.

    Unlike most self-righteous liberals, evangelicals really do care about people. And, to be honest, I wouldn't want anyone in my family to have an abortion (except in the case of rape).

    What about in the case of severe mental retardation? Tay Sachs Disease? Anencephaly?

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  115. @Steve Sailer
    There are about 40 different sub-Saharan countries, so it wouldn't be hard to get them to compete for foreign aid based on declines in fertility, as measured by international bodies.

    There are about 40 different sub-Saharan countries, so it wouldn’t be hard to get them to compete for foreign aid based on declines in fertility, as measured by international bodies.

    How well would this work, in countries that have to have China build modern roads for them? I think we’d have to colonize it again for an idea like this to even vaguely be effective. :(

    Just like you can’t pay people to have babies, you can’t pay them to not either. And if you offer to pay them to not have babies, their suspicions are rightly alerted to the idea that you don’t want more of “their kind”. (Whatever “their kind” happens to be, race aside) Even the most dull witted catch on eventually and reject it. You might delay their child bearing ( a win), but it’s pyrrhic victory because then every kid after will be a personal win despite some meddling stranger.

    What’s so hard about just leaving Africa to it’s own devices for the most part and let Christian missionaries do what work they can with voluntary only funds? No UN funds, no foriegn aid, no taxpayer funds (but I repeat myself), just whatever do-gooders have in their pocket. Starvation is already baked into this cake, as much I don’t want to see it.

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  116. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    I totally support family planning programs in Africa, but I can understand why Trump signaled to evangelicals that he would pay close attention to their concerns. He owes them big time.

    Unlike most self-righteous liberals, evangelicals really do care about people. And, to be honest, I wouldn't want anyone in my family to have an abortion (except in the case of rape).

    Unlike most self-righteous liberals, evangelicals really do care about people. And, to be honest, I wouldn’t want anyone in my family to have an abortion (except in the case of rape).

    A conservative attempts to thoughtfully apply the standards for the family to their neighbor, when appropriate. :) Abortion is murder and Africans are still God’s creatures. If abortion is wrong and off limits for your family, it’s wrong and off limits, too in Africa. It’s not “family planning”, unless family planning suddenly involves the ability to kill inconvenient members of it.

    Contraception is a different matter, but it’s easy to point to ineffectiveness on that on several levels in Africa.

    I guess I’m kinda surprised at people into numbers/graphs who keep pointing to the same old tired solutions that aren’t working and haven’t for decades. If abortion actually worked in Africa, you’d see significant dips in population growth when outside entities funded it, versus not. One of Obama’s legacies should be population reductions in Africa. That’s not what I’m seeing in the charts.

    That’s sort of the joke on all of us – having the moral stain of funding/encouraging murder and it doesn’t work at all anyway towards the stated goal.

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  117. @Autochthon
    Yessir; when it comes to protecting the environment and curbing overpopulation, the Chinese are the ones for the job! When is your next HBO stand-up special? I don't want to miss more comedy gold.

    The Chinese birth rate is now below replacement level. What the hell are you talking about?

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    The Chinese birth rate is now below replacement level. What the hell are you talking about?
     
    There's still over a billion of them. They've got a long way to go.

    Also, how accurate do you think rural Chinese demoraphic stats are?
    , @Autochthon
    Cæsar knows what I'm talkin' 'bout, Willis.
  118. @bossel

    Denmark’s government has been the most immigration skeptical government in Western Europe for most of this century.
     
    Gosh, if you came out of your ultra-conservative internet bubble once in a while, you might not appear quite as stupid as you do...

    You might eg. know that your much-hated Sweden contributes even more than Denmark to the UNFPA (I suppose, that's what the article is about). Sweden alone also gives more than the US to the fund. The EU altogether contributes several times the amount of the US.

    Family planning in developing countries has been on the table for a long time. Only they don't share your obsession with black Africa.

    Why are you so angry?

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  119. @Mark F.
    The Chinese birth rate is now below replacement level. What the hell are you talking about?

    The Chinese birth rate is now below replacement level. What the hell are you talking about?

    There’s still over a billion of them. They’ve got a long way to go.

    Also, how accurate do you think rural Chinese demoraphic stats are?

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  120. @CK
    "Close the border" means that your citizens will be shooting to kill the incoming women and children that will be in the front rows of border crashers. Neither words nor physical walls will prevail; it will, as it always has, come to blood. There is no guarantee that you can spill enough of their blood before they spill all of yours.

    CK is exactly right.
    This is why the West will be overrun.
    Our feminized societies no longer have the stomach to do what needs to be done.

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  121. @Mark F.
    The Chinese birth rate is now below replacement level. What the hell are you talking about?

    Cæsar knows what I’m talkin’ ’bout, Willis.

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  122. @CK
    Projection maybe?

    Hard to say, what’s projecting where? I can see at least two possible cases, but I’ll leave it to you to clarify.

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