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The darker the tint the better the 8th graders

Audacious Epigone has posted his table of white IQ estimates by state, using NAEP scores for 8th graders (public and private), ranging from 108.0 in Washington D.C. (which isn’t a state) and 104.4 in Massachusetts and 103.5 in New Jersey to 97.7 in Oklahoma, 97.5 in Alabama and a hurting 95.1 in West Virginia.

Thus, New Jersey whites (who, Bruce Springsteen songs to the contrary, are a notably intelligent and well-educated white population) scores 0.4 standard deviations higher than Alabama whites. That’s not a huge gap. On the other hand, the 0.86 s.d. gap between Washington D.C. whites and nearby West Virginia whites is substantial, and may subtly color a lot of media discourse.

Moynihan’s Law of the Canadian Border is still vaguely visible, but is much less strong for whites only than for total populations (which is of course most of the joke). Texas of course stands out sharply from the central southern states.

Of course, some of the differences in test scores don’t reflect underlying IQ but are instead reflections of different effectivenesses at educations and, presumably, at how hard different states get their students to try on the NAEP.

You can read his whole table there.

 
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  1. My home state of Iowa fare’s poorly in this, while my current state of Minnesota fares quite well. I grew up in Northwest Iowa, and we were snooty about the hillbillies of southern Iowa. :) We are real sophistos. My government teacher used to repeat an old joke: “you could give the bottom two tiers of counties in Iowa to Missouri and increase the average intelligence of both states by 10 points.” Minnesotans look down their noses at Iowans too, or maybe they just find the place really boring.

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    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    I'm another NW Iowa product, and am similarly mortified by our home state's indifferent ranking.

    I also grew up secretly suspecting that NW Iowa people were intellectually superior to the rest of the state, although ostensibly there should be little basis for this other than pure tribal prejudice. But then I look at the relative success Sioux County (especially) in comparison with the rest of rural Iowa, and I do wonder . . . . but nah, residual Protestant Ethic is a more parsimonious explanation.

    My guess for the MN/IA discrepancy is decades of IA talent (including quite a few of my bright peers) siphoned off by the twin cities. I think that's slowed, or perhaps even reversed, in more recent years, with several IA cities now doing very well, but there may be long-term effects that have yet to be mitigated.

    , @Grumpy
    I suspect that the high test scores in Minnesota have much more to do with the maniacal attention paid to student assessment by Minnesota public schools than with students' intrinsic talent. I'd be curious to know what the minority students' scores look like in Minnesota, because if those are also unusually high then that would support the "preparation effect" hypothesis.

    If that's not the case, and if white Minnesota students really are that much better than average, then (based on my experience teaching MN college students) we're in big trouble.
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  2. I can’t help but think that Texas will eventually have a cheating scandal.

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  3. Its interesting that California Whites are so relatively mediocre. The Golden State used to be a haven for the best and the brightest. It looks like a lot of the smart ones moved to Texas.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Texas beat California on the federal government' huge 1960 test of 15-year-olds, Project Talent.
  4. He really needs to do blacks only as well.

    You might be surprised where the brightest blacks are.

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    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Excellent point. Have similar studies/graphs of US by state been done of the IQ of blacks?

    Anyone?
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    Oops, looks like the dumb hick stereotype is true.

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  6. Texas and Pennsylvania white kids notably smarter than Utah and Iowa? I don’t believe it. And why such a difference between tx and ok? Like you suggested, the darker states in your map must be pushing that test more as a matter of policy. For god’s sake, FL scored higher than Maine and roughly the same as WI.

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    • Replies: @Kyle a
    Texas pays the teachers extremely well compared to us Okies . We have many who cross the border of the red river for the pay. I would also think that having the second largest Native American population( California being #1) in the union doesn't help.
    , @ben tillman

    Texas and Pennsylvania white kids notably smarter than Utah and Iowa? I don’t believe it. And why such a difference between tx and ok? Like you suggested, the darker states in your map must be pushing that test more as a matter of policy. For god’s sake, FL scored higher than Maine and roughly the same as WI.
     
    Florida is full of Jews and affluent immigrants from up north. Why would you be surprised that its "whites" had high scores?

    I would expect Iowa Whites to be very smart, but I can't imagine why you would expect Pennsylvania Whites not to be. I *can* imagine why you would expect Texas Whites not to be, but your stereotype is laughably wrong. White people in Texas, and especially in Dallas, are smart.
  7. 43. Michigan 99.1

    Perhaps it is just parochialism, but I am not buying Michigan’s ranking here. Middle of the pack I could buy. Is it possible we got a lot dumber since the collapse of the auto industry? More than a few had to leave the state and they tended to be those able to take advantage of opportunities elsewhere. The shift seems too big for that though.

    Perhaps you might remember these numbers.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/average-iq-by-state-honest-numbers-at-last-0

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  8. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    Its interesting that California Whites are so relatively mediocre. The Golden State used to be a haven for the best and the brightest. It looks like a lot of the smart ones moved to Texas.

    Texas beat California on the federal government’ huge 1960 test of 15-year-olds, Project Talent.

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    • Replies: @anon
    I'm with Steinbeck on this one: A huge influx of Okies to California in the 1930s may have brought down the average in a lasting manner.
  9. What I see here is a hodgepodge of IQs.

    I’m sure if it were broken down by counties it would be an even more interesting hodgepodge. That would explain places like Colorado and Texas. I can tell you from experience Colorado is dark on this map by virtue of places like Boulder, Denver, Aspen and Vail. Texas would have Austin, Dallas, Houston and such. It’s no mystery. Also, most of those people are there as a result of migration from older WASP places that are also dark on this map.

    California, however, is a mystery.

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    • Replies: @anon
    Re California:
    1. Public education really sucks here. You have to live here to know how bad it is. Middle school is a real cesspool since they stopped putting different ability kids into separate classes like they still do in high school.
    2. The smart whites with families have left in droves, replaced by younger tech nerds who have less kids. Result, more low IQ whites on a percentage basis in Cali.
    3. Who knows how many non-whites say they are white? White latinos anyone?
    4. The white immigrants have trouble with the language parts of the test.
    5. The high income whites put their kids in private schools where they may not get tested.
  10. @JVO
    Texas and Pennsylvania white kids notably smarter than Utah and Iowa? I don't believe it. And why such a difference between tx and ok? Like you suggested, the darker states in your map must be pushing that test more as a matter of policy. For god's sake, FL scored higher than Maine and roughly the same as WI.

    Texas pays the teachers extremely well compared to us Okies . We have many who cross the border of the red river for the pay. I would also think that having the second largest Native American population( California being #1) in the union doesn’t help.

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  11. @Chris in Minneapolis
    My home state of Iowa fare's poorly in this, while my current state of Minnesota fares quite well. I grew up in Northwest Iowa, and we were snooty about the hillbillies of southern Iowa. :) We are real sophistos. My government teacher used to repeat an old joke: "you could give the bottom two tiers of counties in Iowa to Missouri and increase the average intelligence of both states by 10 points." Minnesotans look down their noses at Iowans too, or maybe they just find the place really boring.

    I’m another NW Iowa product, and am similarly mortified by our home state’s indifferent ranking.

    I also grew up secretly suspecting that NW Iowa people were intellectually superior to the rest of the state, although ostensibly there should be little basis for this other than pure tribal prejudice. But then I look at the relative success Sioux County (especially) in comparison with the rest of rural Iowa, and I do wonder . . . . but nah, residual Protestant Ethic is a more parsimonious explanation.

    My guess for the MN/IA discrepancy is decades of IA talent (including quite a few of my bright peers) siphoned off by the twin cities. I think that’s slowed, or perhaps even reversed, in more recent years, with several IA cities now doing very well, but there may be long-term effects that have yet to be mitigated.

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    • Replies: @Twinkie

    My guess for the MN/IA discrepancy is decades of IA talent (including quite a few of my bright peers) siphoned off by the twin cities. I think that’s slowed, or perhaps even reversed, in more recent years, with several IA cities now doing very well, but there may be long-term effects that have yet to be mitigated.
     
    Most of Iowa's counties are bleeding population. The only one gaining is Polk.

    Some years ago, the Des Moines Register carried an article about quality of life rankings for the country by state, in which MN outranked IA on all categories. The researchers for the ranking who were interviewed said, "IA has very good scores on most categories; it's just that MN is just a bit better on everything." Ouch for Iowans, eh?
    , @Chris in Minneapolis
    Des Moines is becoming a real city now! My brother lives there and the place has a lot to offer. Lots of my most talented classmates ended up in Colorado too, but you are right about the Twin Cities being a magnet for Iowa talent.
    , @D
    Wow, you sound really smart to me.
  12. New York state seems to under perform slightly, at least relative to its neighbouring states New Jersey and Pennsylvania.

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  13. One more thing about Texans: I’ve known quite a few of the ones who go to Colorado for fun or oil dealings. They are something of a joke there, but if you spend enough time around them, you find they are bright, outspoken and funny as hell.

    Texans are America’s version of Australians.

    Their state’s bold shade on this map doesn’t surprise me at all.

    Respect.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    My guess is that Texas has been attracting smart people, especially Southerners, for oil or more general business opportunities for a very long time.
  14. @Buzz Mohawk
    One more thing about Texans: I've known quite a few of the ones who go to Colorado for fun or oil dealings. They are something of a joke there, but if you spend enough time around them, you find they are bright, outspoken and funny as hell.

    Texans are America's version of Australians.

    Their state's bold shade on this map doesn't surprise me at all.

    Respect.

    My guess is that Texas has been attracting smart people, especially Southerners, for oil or more general business opportunities for a very long time.

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    • Replies: @JayMan
    More likely I think it's what you said about Texas in 2012. ;)
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    "GTT" (Gone to Texas) has been Southern slang for a long time. Texas has been siphoning off Southerners with initiative since Sam Houston's day. It's not uncommon for first and second generation east Texans to still send their daughters to Ole Miss and Alabama (since they won't get into the top sororities at UT, and to put them in a less urbane college environment).
  15. Thus, New Jersey whites (who, Bruce Springsteen songs to the contrary, are a notably intelligent and well-educated white population)

    Yeah, but NJ whites also include a majority of the cast of JERSEY SHORE, all of the cast of REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ, and, of course, the original lineup of Bon Jovi.

    BTW, OT but- can we all finally just admit that- yeah, despite his original corniness, people will still be listening to John Mellancamp long after they’ve forgotten Springsteen? Yeah, Springsteen is the real artist, Ghost of Tom Joad, whatever. I simply cannot get past the unmusicality of his voice- raspy yet weak!- much like I could never get into Dylan despite his unquestioned poetic talent. R-O-C-K IN THE U-S-A!

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    reposting this here:


    For the uninitiated who feel as though they’re seeing an awful lot of red in the preceding table and presume I’m in error giving vermilion hues to the likes of California, Illinois, and New Jersey, please do see here.”

    I think extreme caution should be applied when looking at the exit polls. Consider New Jersey. In 2008, McCain supposedly won whites there by 1 point, while in 2012 Romney won whites by 13%, which was counterbalanced by an increase in the share of the non-white vote…

    …except the data don’t support this story. Obama’s performance in almost very heavily white Republican strongholds was basically unchanged from 2008 to 2012. These areas have been become more Hispanic, but not by nearly enough to explain the non-trend. My feeling is that the demographic projections for exit polls are done by people who don’t really know what they’re doing, but that people who do ignore it, because it’s fun to work with the numbers as though they’re real.

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  17. If Texas whites are so much smarter than Michigan whites, how come Michigan’s flagship university is so much more highly regarded than that of Texas? Even more puzzling when you consider that UT’s endowment is much larger than that of UM (or any other public university for that matter).

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    If Texas whites are so much smarter than Michigan whites, how come Michigan’s flagship university is so much more highly regarded than that of Texas?
     
    What you should have asked, to make your point, was "If Texas whites are so much smarter than Michigan whites, how come Michigan’s flagship university is so much better than that of Texas?" And then you should have presented evidence showing that Michigan is better than UT. And you should have explained why TAMU isn't factored into your analysis.
  18. @Steve Sailer
    My guess is that Texas has been attracting smart people, especially Southerners, for oil or more general business opportunities for a very long time.

    More likely I think it’s what you said about Texas in 2012. ;)

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  19. There’s been discussions for a long time about people leaving the Northeast for lower tax states in the South. Yet, this hasn’t really seemed to hurt test scores or impact the overall white IQ. The proximity to New York City continues to draw smart people to NJ and Connecticut, where they eventually settle down to start families.

    From what I can tell, it seems like the largest group that moves to lower tax states like Florida, North Carolina, etc. is the middle-middle class. The upper middle class seems to be just fine with the ways things are (for the most part) in relatively high tax states like NJ or Mass.

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    • Replies: @Jimi
    I grew up in NYC with friends and family all over the Tristate area (NY, NJ, CT). All the people I know who moved to Texas and the South did so because they cannot afford to stay here and live a middle class life. Very few people who are able to live in the Tristate area comfortably actually move out.
    , @Brutusale
    If you have enough good colleges and universities, you'll attract lots of smart people to attend them. A measurable percentage find it amenable and decide to stay.
    , @Peter Akuleyev

    There’s been discussions for a long time about people leaving the Northeast for lower tax states in the South.
     
    They are fleeing the weather. You can flee taxes by moving to New Hampshire. At least anecdotally, in my experience the Northeast is not losing its best and brightest to emigration to the South. My high school friends who went South were not the most ambitious kids. For the most part they ended up being cops, auto mechanics, boat captains or other middle to lower middle class jobs. Or strippers. Of the top 20% of my high school class I bet 90% are still in New England, and we get high IQ economic refugees from places like Ohio, Upstate New York and Michigan all the time. If smart New Englanders do go south it tends to be for academic or finance jobs in the research triangle, or some professional position in Houston or Dallas. People outside Houston tend to underestimate that city. It may seem ugly, flat and boring, but there is a lot of financial and industrial power concentrated there, and a lot of international capital.
  20. I think it looks similar to my SAT-ACT map, which is not limited to whites.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. Here's the ACT-SAT Map:

    http://theunsilencedscience.blogspot.com/2014/10/merits-liquidity.html

    Is the data available just for whites?
  21. 1. No surprise about the Deep South. Teaparty has to recruit from somewhere.

    2. The claim about Texas will surprise anyone who’s spent any time there.

    3. Driving along back roads from Virginia into North Carolina is like crossing from Tijuana into the U.S. If you considered the rest of the state differently from the area around DC, NC would probably be ahead.

    4. But, seriously, Texas?

    5. No, really, Texas: http://texaslsg.org/texas-on-the-brink/ ?

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    2. The claim about Texas will surprise anyone who’s spent any time there.
     
    No, it won't. White Texans are obviously intelligent. However, if you've read James Q. Wilson's Bureaucracy, you might wonder about the extent to which Texans also create superior institutions. (Wilson looked at the extraordinarily well-run Texas prison system.)
  22. Here is an electoral college vote map of the 2012 election results. Compare it to this map and you’ll see that with TX being the most obvious exception, the states with the smartest Whites went to Obama. So either there weren’t enough smart Whites in those states, or the Whites there aren’t that smart after all.

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    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    "...the states with the smartest Whites went to Obama. So either there weren’t enough smart Whites in those states, or the Whites there aren’t that smart after all."
     
    We need to get away from this idea that smart people are automatically right about everything. Live a little, and you will find that smart people can be pretty dumb. And annoying.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    So either there weren’t enough smart Whites in those states, or the Whites there aren’t that smart after all.
     
    You ignore a third, likelier explanation: smart whites vote for Obama because they're cynical, self-serving bastards. Lawyers, academics, public "servants", etc.
  23. @Chris in Minneapolis
    My home state of Iowa fare's poorly in this, while my current state of Minnesota fares quite well. I grew up in Northwest Iowa, and we were snooty about the hillbillies of southern Iowa. :) We are real sophistos. My government teacher used to repeat an old joke: "you could give the bottom two tiers of counties in Iowa to Missouri and increase the average intelligence of both states by 10 points." Minnesotans look down their noses at Iowans too, or maybe they just find the place really boring.

    I suspect that the high test scores in Minnesota have much more to do with the maniacal attention paid to student assessment by Minnesota public schools than with students’ intrinsic talent. I’d be curious to know what the minority students’ scores look like in Minnesota, because if those are also unusually high then that would support the “preparation effect” hypothesis.

    If that’s not the case, and if white Minnesota students really are that much better than average, then (based on my experience teaching MN college students) we’re in big trouble.

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    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    the high test scores in Minnesota
     
    I just want to say one word to you. Just one word: Scandinavians.
  24. @eah
    Here is an electoral college vote map of the 2012 election results. Compare it to this map and you'll see that with TX being the most obvious exception, the states with the smartest Whites went to Obama. So either there weren't enough smart Whites in those states, or the Whites there aren't that smart after all.

    “…the states with the smartest Whites went to Obama. So either there weren’t enough smart Whites in those states, or the Whites there aren’t that smart after all.”

    We need to get away from this idea that smart people are automatically right about everything. Live a little, and you will find that smart people can be pretty dumb. And annoying.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    We need to get away from this idea that smart people are automatically right about everything
     
    Dumb folks can be wrong, but only smart folks can be spectacularly wrong.

    Also, when something causes damage, the stupid stop. The smart, especially the creative smart, come up with different ways to justify their stupid behavior.

    Live a little, and you will find that smart people can be pretty dumb. And annoying.
     
    In Minnesota's case, smart-dumb and annoying (and well-off) was expressed in blue and orange. On the front lawn, no less.
    , @iffen
    Hi 5 to you.

    Dumb people who think that they are smart can be really dumb.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "We need to get away from this idea that smart people are automatically right about everything. Live a little, and you will find that smart people can be pretty dumb. And annoying."

    A high I.Q. doesn't always translate into wisdom. As you suggest, smart people can be functionally quite stupid, irrespective of their relative cognitive gifts.
  25. @Grumpy
    I suspect that the high test scores in Minnesota have much more to do with the maniacal attention paid to student assessment by Minnesota public schools than with students' intrinsic talent. I'd be curious to know what the minority students' scores look like in Minnesota, because if those are also unusually high then that would support the "preparation effect" hypothesis.

    If that's not the case, and if white Minnesota students really are that much better than average, then (based on my experience teaching MN college students) we're in big trouble.

    the high test scores in Minnesota

    I just want to say one word to you. Just one word: Scandinavians.

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  26. The overall range, 95-105, is really quite narrow. I don’t think that a casual visitor to a high ranked state and then a low ranked state could tell the difference.

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    • Replies: @Truth
    The difference between white Americans and Mexican-Americans is about 10 points as well.
    , @Chris in Minneapolis
    Right, I'm sure regional differences are much more telling. You could travel through a high average intelligence neighborhood and a low one in a 10 minute drive from my house.
  27. Texas games its NAEP scores, and in general, I don’t consider them trustworthy.

    I’d mostly be skeptical of big gaps in IQ scores, but wouldn’t consider NAEP valid outside a specific region tested. I’d never compare across region.

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  28. @JVO
    Texas and Pennsylvania white kids notably smarter than Utah and Iowa? I don't believe it. And why such a difference between tx and ok? Like you suggested, the darker states in your map must be pushing that test more as a matter of policy. For god's sake, FL scored higher than Maine and roughly the same as WI.

    Texas and Pennsylvania white kids notably smarter than Utah and Iowa? I don’t believe it. And why such a difference between tx and ok? Like you suggested, the darker states in your map must be pushing that test more as a matter of policy. For god’s sake, FL scored higher than Maine and roughly the same as WI.

    Florida is full of Jews and affluent immigrants from up north. Why would you be surprised that its “whites” had high scores?

    I would expect Iowa Whites to be very smart, but I can’t imagine why you would expect Pennsylvania Whites not to be. I *can* imagine why you would expect Texas Whites not to be, but your stereotype is laughably wrong. White people in Texas, and especially in Dallas, are smart.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Dallas is a major center for national corporate headquarters and regional offices, while Houston is the capital of the world's energy business.
    , @Wilkey
    "Florida is full of Jews and affluent immigrants from up north. Why would you be surprised that its “whites” had high scores?"

    Southern whites aren't all idiots. There are plenty of smart, white Southerners and, like other smart people, they tend to be drawn to places where there are opportunities. If they stay in the South they tend to go to cities in Virginia, Texas, Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina.
  29. @ben tillman

    Texas and Pennsylvania white kids notably smarter than Utah and Iowa? I don’t believe it. And why such a difference between tx and ok? Like you suggested, the darker states in your map must be pushing that test more as a matter of policy. For god’s sake, FL scored higher than Maine and roughly the same as WI.
     
    Florida is full of Jews and affluent immigrants from up north. Why would you be surprised that its "whites" had high scores?

    I would expect Iowa Whites to be very smart, but I can't imagine why you would expect Pennsylvania Whites not to be. I *can* imagine why you would expect Texas Whites not to be, but your stereotype is laughably wrong. White people in Texas, and especially in Dallas, are smart.

    Dallas is a major center for national corporate headquarters and regional offices, while Houston is the capital of the world’s energy business.

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Dallas is a major center for national corporate headquarters and regional offices, while Houston is the capital of the world’s energy business.
     
    Houston is more blue-collar than Dallas, but being "capital of the world's energy business is a pretty big deal. And what city other than New York sports two law firms like V&E and Baker & Botts? Maybe LA, but I don't think so.

    Still, when the son of Racehorse Haynes's "ultimate Great White Defendant" moved from Dallas to Houston, I told him he'd raise the IQ of both cities. It's an old joke, but I regret it. He's a nice guy.

    , @Twinkie

    Dallas is a major center for national corporate headquarters and regional offices, while Houston is the capital of the world’s energy business.
     
    In fact, Plano, Texas, near Dallas, is often ranked as the safest city in America (with a population over 250,000) as well as having some of the best test scores in the nation. It is also frequently called the richest city in America.
  30. @24AheadDotCom
    1. No surprise about the Deep South. Teaparty has to recruit from somewhere.

    2. The claim about Texas will surprise anyone who's spent any time there.

    3. Driving along back roads from Virginia into North Carolina is like crossing from Tijuana into the U.S. If you considered the rest of the state differently from the area around DC, NC would probably be ahead.

    4. But, seriously, Texas?

    5. No, really, Texas: http://texaslsg.org/texas-on-the-brink/ ?

    2. The claim about Texas will surprise anyone who’s spent any time there.

    No, it won’t. White Texans are obviously intelligent. However, if you’ve read James Q. Wilson’s Bureaucracy, you might wonder about the extent to which Texans also create superior institutions. (Wilson looked at the extraordinarily well-run Texas prison system.)

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Over the past decade the Texas prison system has been increasingly staffed with fresh off the boat African immigrants. Most of them can't communicate effectively in English. The agency also has a pretty good welfare office to guard tower pipeline. Trouble is brewing.
  31. If Texas whites are so much smarter than Michigan whites, how come Michigan’s flagship university is so much more highly regarded than that of Texas?

    While the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor is an outstanding public research university, is it really much more highly regarded than the also-outstanding University of Texas, Austin?

    Much of the prestige of a university rests on the accomplishments of its faculty. Towards that end, when Texas was oil-rich in the late 70s and early 80s, they went of a large buying spree and recruited some top name professors to UT Austin. I don’t know about now, but UT Austin had some superstar mathematicians and physicists during those heady profligate years.

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  32. Whites flee states with lots of NAMs. The only whites that stay are the ones who can afford private schools or live in posh suburbs. Rich people have high IQs.

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  33. @Steve Sailer
    Dallas is a major center for national corporate headquarters and regional offices, while Houston is the capital of the world's energy business.

    Dallas is a major center for national corporate headquarters and regional offices, while Houston is the capital of the world’s energy business.

    Houston is more blue-collar than Dallas, but being “capital of the world’s energy business is a pretty big deal. And what city other than New York sports two law firms like V&E and Baker & Botts? Maybe LA, but I don’t think so.

    Still, when the son of Racehorse Haynes’s “ultimate Great White Defendant” moved from Dallas to Houston, I told him he’d raise the IQ of both cities. It’s an old joke, but I regret it. He’s a nice guy.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    And I suspect that oil workers and refinery workers tend to be above average for blue collar workers.
    , @Anonymous
    What does that mean, "two law firms like V&E and Baker and Botts"?

    Vinson & Elkins showed its mettle with its "investigation" of Enron's accounting, blessing Fastow's off-the-books partnerships just days before he resigned. And BB knows a lot about oil leases and tax issues, so what? Whatever the city, big firms almost always get their heads handed to them at trial by talented solos.
  34. @JerseyGuy
    There's been discussions for a long time about people leaving the Northeast for lower tax states in the South. Yet, this hasn't really seemed to hurt test scores or impact the overall white IQ. The proximity to New York City continues to draw smart people to NJ and Connecticut, where they eventually settle down to start families.

    From what I can tell, it seems like the largest group that moves to lower tax states like Florida, North Carolina, etc. is the middle-middle class. The upper middle class seems to be just fine with the ways things are (for the most part) in relatively high tax states like NJ or Mass.

    I grew up in NYC with friends and family all over the Tristate area (NY, NJ, CT). All the people I know who moved to Texas and the South did so because they cannot afford to stay here and live a middle class life. Very few people who are able to live in the Tristate area comfortably actually move out.

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  35. States can exclude students with disabilities (SD) or that are English-language learners ELL from NAEP tests.

    States don’t all exclude the same fraction. For example, with 8th grade reading, Iowa excludes 1% and Texas excludes 6%. With 4th grade reading, Iowa excludes 1% and Texas excludes 10%.

    In grade 4, Iowa classifies 15% as disabled and excludes 1 out of 15. Texas classifies 10% as disabled and excludes 6 out of 10.

    In grade 4, Iowa classifies 6% as ELL and excludes almost none. Texas classifies 22% as ELL and excludes 5 out of 22.

    The Texas Miracle !

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    States can exclude students with disabilities (SD) or that are English-language learners ELL from NAEP tests.

    States don’t all exclude the same fraction. For example, with 8th grade reading, Iowa excludes 1% and Texas excludes 6%. With 4th grade reading, Iowa excludes 1% and Texas excludes 10%.

    In grade 4, Iowa classifies 15% as disabled and excludes 1 out of 15. Texas classifies 10% as disabled and excludes 6 out of 10.

    In grade 4, Iowa classifies 6% as ELL and excludes almost none. Texas classifies 22% as ELL and excludes 5 out of 22.

    The Texas Miracle !
     
    Yeah, that's quite telling. Texas is gaming the system
  36. There seems to be something of a correlation between how smart the whites are and how Catholic they are.

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  37. @Hapalong Cassidy
    If Texas whites are so much smarter than Michigan whites, how come Michigan's flagship university is so much more highly regarded than that of Texas? Even more puzzling when you consider that UT's endowment is much larger than that of UM (or any other public university for that matter).

    If Texas whites are so much smarter than Michigan whites, how come Michigan’s flagship university is so much more highly regarded than that of Texas?

    What you should have asked, to make your point, was “If Texas whites are so much smarter than Michigan whites, how come Michigan’s flagship university is so much better than that of Texas?” And then you should have presented evidence showing that Michigan is better than UT. And you should have explained why TAMU isn’t factored into your analysis.

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    For what it's worth, here are the USN&WR rankings:

    U of Michigan #29
    U of Texas #53
    TAMU #68
    Michigan St. #85

    So the average of the top 2 in each state is a little closer. That doesn't change the fact that Michigan punches well above its weight in the realm of higher education, considering all that the state has going against it.

    Another oddity in those rankings is how high the California schools score. Berkeley and UCLA I get. But San Diego, Santa Barbara, Davis, and Irvine are all in the top-50 as well.
  38. @ben tillman

    Dallas is a major center for national corporate headquarters and regional offices, while Houston is the capital of the world’s energy business.
     
    Houston is more blue-collar than Dallas, but being "capital of the world's energy business is a pretty big deal. And what city other than New York sports two law firms like V&E and Baker & Botts? Maybe LA, but I don't think so.

    Still, when the son of Racehorse Haynes's "ultimate Great White Defendant" moved from Dallas to Houston, I told him he'd raise the IQ of both cities. It's an old joke, but I regret it. He's a nice guy.

    And I suspect that oil workers and refinery workers tend to be above average for blue collar workers.

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    Your assumption is correct having worked in both refineries and steel mills. Pre-employment tests are far more rigorous for refineries. The majority of the non-maintenance process operating personnel in refineries work behind massive touch screen displays. Most valves, combustion and process flows are nearly all remotely actuated. Operators climb the towers on rounds to visually check for problems and to check if gauges and instrumentation are operating correctly; the valves, pumps and compressors are operated by touching screens.

    Many steel mill processes are computer controlled too, but there are huge numbers of tasks that such as material handling (cranes, forklifts and rail ) and the regular repair of consumables like rolling mill rolls and refractory lined vessels that require less abstract reasoning.

    Refining in texas is only part of the story. Petroleum exploration work requires complex 3D modeling technologies and computing; oil production itself requires lots of engineering talent. All those people are are on the far right of the curve.
  39. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    About Texas… while there may be some book-cooking or selecting reporting going on…

    Something I recall hearing a number of times, maybe around the 80s, was that despite its reputation and rural image, Texas was statistically actually the most urban state in the US (or maybe that was “most urban large state”, I don’t recall the specifics).

    That is, percentage-wise more people in Texas than elsewhere in the US live in cities: Houston, Dallas, Ft.Worth, San Antonio, El Paso, Galveston, Corpus Christi, etc..

    Maybe Texas has among the highest IQ whites in the US because it’s one of the most urban states in the US.

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  40. @ben tillman

    Texas and Pennsylvania white kids notably smarter than Utah and Iowa? I don’t believe it. And why such a difference between tx and ok? Like you suggested, the darker states in your map must be pushing that test more as a matter of policy. For god’s sake, FL scored higher than Maine and roughly the same as WI.
     
    Florida is full of Jews and affluent immigrants from up north. Why would you be surprised that its "whites" had high scores?

    I would expect Iowa Whites to be very smart, but I can't imagine why you would expect Pennsylvania Whites not to be. I *can* imagine why you would expect Texas Whites not to be, but your stereotype is laughably wrong. White people in Texas, and especially in Dallas, are smart.

    “Florida is full of Jews and affluent immigrants from up north. Why would you be surprised that its “whites” had high scores?”

    Southern whites aren’t all idiots. There are plenty of smart, white Southerners and, like other smart people, they tend to be drawn to places where there are opportunities. If they stay in the South they tend to go to cities in Virginia, Texas, Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina.

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  41. @nooffensebut
    I think it looks similar to my SAT-ACT map, which is not limited to whites.

    Thanks. Here’s the ACT-SAT Map:

    http://theunsilencedscience.blogspot.com/2014/10/merits-liquidity.html

    Is the data available just for whites?

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    State reports give scores by race/ethnicity. I haven't tried to use that data, yet, because it would take a lot of time to do for all years, and not all states have enough of each group to provide it each year (like Puerto Ricans in ND). If you just want to know about whites, it's all there.
  42. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Buzz Mohawk
    What I see here is a hodgepodge of IQs.

    I'm sure if it were broken down by counties it would be an even more interesting hodgepodge. That would explain places like Colorado and Texas. I can tell you from experience Colorado is dark on this map by virtue of places like Boulder, Denver, Aspen and Vail. Texas would have Austin, Dallas, Houston and such. It's no mystery. Also, most of those people are there as a result of migration from older WASP places that are also dark on this map.

    California, however, is a mystery.

    Re California:
    1. Public education really sucks here. You have to live here to know how bad it is. Middle school is a real cesspool since they stopped putting different ability kids into separate classes like they still do in high school.
    2. The smart whites with families have left in droves, replaced by younger tech nerds who have less kids. Result, more low IQ whites on a percentage basis in Cali.
    3. Who knows how many non-whites say they are white? White latinos anyone?
    4. The white immigrants have trouble with the language parts of the test.
    5. The high income whites put their kids in private schools where they may not get tested.

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    Public education really sucks here. You have to live here to know how bad it is.
     
    My wife was a school teacher at a private school when we lived out there. She initially looked for a public school position, but every single person we talked to told us to stay well away from L.A. area public schools -- don't work there, and don't send your kids there. I don't know how accurate it was, but the overwhelming popular conception was that public schools were dead-end holding pens for Mexican immigrant kids.

    The high income whites put their kids in private schools where they may not get tested.
     
    I haven't been back in a few years, so maybe things have changed, but when we were there, it wasn't just high-income whites shipping their kids off to private schools -- most of the parents we met were of extremely modest means, yet they were pulling out all the stops to keep their kids in private school. It was unlike anything we'd ever seen.
    , @Wilkey
    "The high income whites put their kids in private schools where they may not get tested."

    This explanation also explains some of the difference in test scores in the Deep South, as well.
    , @Ivy
    School districts also influence location quite a bit.
    Around the greater Los Angeles area, recall the clamor in the 1980s to get into the La Canada-Flintridge and San Marino districts due to the proximity of JPL (less so after the Berlin Wall fell, but offset by influx of Chinese which caused a different white flight of equity refugees), or the Las Virgenes district due to a combination of proximity to west San Fernando Valley engineering jobs (since dispersed out the 101 corridor), or more pointedly, because "not the LA Unified District".
    , @Ron Mexico
    This case is most likely all over the nation. I'm a ps teacher (8th grade), in Michigan, but send my elementary age kids to a Catholic school and my 7th grader to a college run academy. The Catholic school has more and more non-Catholics in attendance since our public schools stopped doing neighborhood elementary buildings and switched to grade level buildings. The higher IQ families who do keep their kids in the public MS and HS know that their kids can take Honors and AP classes to keep away from our Arabs, Mexicans, and white trash. Should be interesting to see what changes occur once our pork processing plant gets built and staffed.
  43. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    It seems like the states with a lot of ethnic whites (Irish, Italians, Greeks) score above average like in Connecticut, NY, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Illinois.

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    Lots of ethnic Germans in PA as well. In fact, as is well known, the German, Irish, and British (including Scotch Irish) percentage for the country as a whole is very large. The thing is that these ethnic groups tend to marry out at high rates so they become "American" pretty quickly. But most people that I know who have been here any considerable period of time (a century or more) usually can claim some heritage from those three groups. Incidentally, that includes most minority groups as well.

    My experience is that ethnic identity among Italian, Jewish, Greek, etc. Americans tends to be strongest the closer they are to their forefathers' landfall -- New York, that is -- but that diminishes the farther you move south and west. But even among those that I know today marrying out is quite common.
    , @Muse
    Maybe Catholic education does a better job getting the best out of average students. These schools maintain a much more orderly and rigorous learning environment than public schools with higher rates of NAM's.
  44. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. Here's the ACT-SAT Map:

    http://theunsilencedscience.blogspot.com/2014/10/merits-liquidity.html

    Is the data available just for whites?

    State reports give scores by race/ethnicity. I haven’t tried to use that data, yet, because it would take a lot of time to do for all years, and not all states have enough of each group to provide it each year (like Puerto Ricans in ND). If you just want to know about whites, it’s all there.

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    Thanks.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    …not all states have enough of each group to provide it each year (like Puerto Ricans in ND).
     
    Any Puerto Rican living in North Dakota probably doesn't have an IQ to brag about.

    Unless he's in the Air Force, or an oil-boom transient. And they leave their kids at home.
    , @anon
    I'm going to try to pull these programmatically, starting w/ 2006, when the current report format started. Are any tables, in addition to Table 9, of interest?
  45. @nooffensebut
    State reports give scores by race/ethnicity. I haven't tried to use that data, yet, because it would take a lot of time to do for all years, and not all states have enough of each group to provide it each year (like Puerto Ricans in ND). If you just want to know about whites, it's all there.

    Thanks.

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  46. @Hugh
    The overall range, 95-105, is really quite narrow. I don't think that a casual visitor to a high ranked state and then a low ranked state could tell the difference.

    The difference between white Americans and Mexican-Americans is about 10 points as well.

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  47. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @ben tillman

    2. The claim about Texas will surprise anyone who’s spent any time there.
     
    No, it won't. White Texans are obviously intelligent. However, if you've read James Q. Wilson's Bureaucracy, you might wonder about the extent to which Texans also create superior institutions. (Wilson looked at the extraordinarily well-run Texas prison system.)

    Over the past decade the Texas prison system has been increasingly staffed with fresh off the boat African immigrants. Most of them can’t communicate effectively in English. The agency also has a pretty good welfare office to guard tower pipeline. Trouble is brewing.

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    Over the past decade the Texas prison system has been increasingly staffed with fresh off the boat African immigrants. Most of them can’t communicate effectively in English. The agency also has a pretty good welfare office to guard tower pipeline. Trouble is brewing.
     
    The efficient, effective, orderly, and safe Texas prison system that JQW talked about was dismantled by a busy-body federal judge about 30 years ago.
  48. I should add that participation should be controlled and ACT reports used, as well, because low participation states have inflated scores. ACT composite scores can be converted to combined math and critical reading SAT scores with this formula:

    41.063(ACT) + 117.32 = SAT

    Weighted mean combines scores. Maybe eventually I’ll get around to doing it.

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  49. @Buzz Mohawk

    "...the states with the smartest Whites went to Obama. So either there weren’t enough smart Whites in those states, or the Whites there aren’t that smart after all."
     
    We need to get away from this idea that smart people are automatically right about everything. Live a little, and you will find that smart people can be pretty dumb. And annoying.

    We need to get away from this idea that smart people are automatically right about everything

    Dumb folks can be wrong, but only smart folks can be spectacularly wrong.

    Also, when something causes damage, the stupid stop. The smart, especially the creative smart, come up with different ways to justify their stupid behavior.

    Live a little, and you will find that smart people can be pretty dumb. And annoying.

    In Minnesota’s case, smart-dumb and annoying (and well-off) was expressed in blue and orange. On the front lawn, no less.

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  50. @Steve Sailer
    Dallas is a major center for national corporate headquarters and regional offices, while Houston is the capital of the world's energy business.

    Dallas is a major center for national corporate headquarters and regional offices, while Houston is the capital of the world’s energy business.

    In fact, Plano, Texas, near Dallas, is often ranked as the safest city in America (with a population over 250,000) as well as having some of the best test scores in the nation. It is also frequently called the richest city in America.

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  51. @The Last Real Calvinist
    I'm another NW Iowa product, and am similarly mortified by our home state's indifferent ranking.

    I also grew up secretly suspecting that NW Iowa people were intellectually superior to the rest of the state, although ostensibly there should be little basis for this other than pure tribal prejudice. But then I look at the relative success Sioux County (especially) in comparison with the rest of rural Iowa, and I do wonder . . . . but nah, residual Protestant Ethic is a more parsimonious explanation.

    My guess for the MN/IA discrepancy is decades of IA talent (including quite a few of my bright peers) siphoned off by the twin cities. I think that's slowed, or perhaps even reversed, in more recent years, with several IA cities now doing very well, but there may be long-term effects that have yet to be mitigated.

    My guess for the MN/IA discrepancy is decades of IA talent (including quite a few of my bright peers) siphoned off by the twin cities. I think that’s slowed, or perhaps even reversed, in more recent years, with several IA cities now doing very well, but there may be long-term effects that have yet to be mitigated.

    Most of Iowa’s counties are bleeding population. The only one gaining is Polk.

    Some years ago, the Des Moines Register carried an article about quality of life rankings for the country by state, in which MN outranked IA on all categories. The researchers for the ranking who were interviewed said, “IA has very good scores on most categories; it’s just that MN is just a bit better on everything.” Ouch for Iowans, eh?

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  52. @anon
    Re California:
    1. Public education really sucks here. You have to live here to know how bad it is. Middle school is a real cesspool since they stopped putting different ability kids into separate classes like they still do in high school.
    2. The smart whites with families have left in droves, replaced by younger tech nerds who have less kids. Result, more low IQ whites on a percentage basis in Cali.
    3. Who knows how many non-whites say they are white? White latinos anyone?
    4. The white immigrants have trouble with the language parts of the test.
    5. The high income whites put their kids in private schools where they may not get tested.

    Public education really sucks here. You have to live here to know how bad it is.

    My wife was a school teacher at a private school when we lived out there. She initially looked for a public school position, but every single person we talked to told us to stay well away from L.A. area public schools — don’t work there, and don’t send your kids there. I don’t know how accurate it was, but the overwhelming popular conception was that public schools were dead-end holding pens for Mexican immigrant kids.

    The high income whites put their kids in private schools where they may not get tested.

    I haven’t been back in a few years, so maybe things have changed, but when we were there, it wasn’t just high-income whites shipping their kids off to private schools — most of the parents we met were of extremely modest means, yet they were pulling out all the stops to keep their kids in private school. It was unlike anything we’d ever seen.

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  53. Sorry, but I call BS to this. White is not a real ethnicity to these test givers. How many of these Whites are actually European? Non-Hispanic White includes lots of Non-Europeans who don’t fit the pigeonholes that only really identify blacks or Hispanics, which are themselves not a real racial category either.

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  54. @eah
    Here is an electoral college vote map of the 2012 election results. Compare it to this map and you'll see that with TX being the most obvious exception, the states with the smartest Whites went to Obama. So either there weren't enough smart Whites in those states, or the Whites there aren't that smart after all.

    So either there weren’t enough smart Whites in those states, or the Whites there aren’t that smart after all.

    You ignore a third, likelier explanation: smart whites vote for Obama because they’re cynical, self-serving bastards. Lawyers, academics, public “servants”, etc.

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    "You ignore a third, likelier explanation: smart whites vote for Obama because they’re cynical, self-serving bastards."

    I like the way this guy thinks.
  55. @nooffensebut
    State reports give scores by race/ethnicity. I haven't tried to use that data, yet, because it would take a lot of time to do for all years, and not all states have enough of each group to provide it each year (like Puerto Ricans in ND). If you just want to know about whites, it's all there.

    …not all states have enough of each group to provide it each year (like Puerto Ricans in ND).

    Any Puerto Rican living in North Dakota probably doesn’t have an IQ to brag about.

    Unless he’s in the Air Force, or an oil-boom transient. And they leave their kids at home.

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  56. @anon
    Re California:
    1. Public education really sucks here. You have to live here to know how bad it is. Middle school is a real cesspool since they stopped putting different ability kids into separate classes like they still do in high school.
    2. The smart whites with families have left in droves, replaced by younger tech nerds who have less kids. Result, more low IQ whites on a percentage basis in Cali.
    3. Who knows how many non-whites say they are white? White latinos anyone?
    4. The white immigrants have trouble with the language parts of the test.
    5. The high income whites put their kids in private schools where they may not get tested.

    “The high income whites put their kids in private schools where they may not get tested.”

    This explanation also explains some of the difference in test scores in the Deep South, as well.

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    @Steve Sailer
    Texas beat California on the federal government' huge 1960 test of 15-year-olds, Project Talent.

    I’m with Steinbeck on this one: A huge influx of Okies to California in the 1930s may have brought down the average in a lasting manner.

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  58. Welp, I’m an Alabama boy — a product of Alabama public schools! — so I guess there’s no hope for me! :)

    All joking aside, what this tells me is that however valuable they might be, IQ tests — and I’m a regular iSteve reader, so clearly I’m a firm believer in the value of IQ tests — still miss a lot of stuff. (Which Steve himself has been known to point out.)

    I’ve been to both New York and California’s Bay Area — two of the biggest concentrations of high-IQ folks in the world. While they are both nice places to visit, I can’t imagine wanting to live in either one unless I was really, really, really rich.

    Since I’m not, I can’t really imagine wanting to live anywhere outside the “low IQ” South. The language and customs and lifestyle are what feels most comfortable to me. :)

    (Though I gotta admit, the Big Apple does have a certain sort of temptation for the Southern soul — Mark Twain, Tennessee Williams, Truman Capote, and Tom Wolfe all seemed to fit right in there, and having visited a few times, I think I can see why: The city definitely has a heaping helping of the absurdist charm we’re drawn to.)

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    (Though I gotta admit, the Big Apple does have a certain sort of temptation for the Southern soul — Mark Twain, Tennessee Williams, Truman Capote, and Tom Wolfe all seemed to fit right in there, and having visited a few times, I think I can see why: The city definitely has a heaping helping of the absurdist charm we’re drawn to.)

    Agreed. I'm from Mississippi, and when it came to left and right coast cities that attracted the more cultural of my brethren, it has been 100% NYC. The more aristocratic types love it there. I've never seen a single one of them interested in LA, SF, Seattle, Boston (the horror!), or any other coastal city. I knew of some plantation heiresses who kept townhouses there back in the day and had contacts with the literary and art scenes. As per my previous post, Texas is a heartland draw, and NYC the hip coastal draw.

  59. Mind the gap. It would be of interest to control for the confounding effect of those states with committed efforts to eliminating white vs minority test score gaps. These efforts will likely raise all boats. States with few minorities, such as West Virginia, have no racial disparity that would energize such efforts. I am unaware of any politically connected constituency that has mobilized efforts on behalf of rural whites.

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  60. The range is really extraordinarily narrow. I am guessing about half of the average gap is explained by differing qualities of state education systems and differing emphases on the test. So assuming that is correct, you would have a difference of only 2 points between Mississippi, a state undergoing brain drain since the Civil War, and Connecticut.

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  61. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @nooffensebut
    State reports give scores by race/ethnicity. I haven't tried to use that data, yet, because it would take a lot of time to do for all years, and not all states have enough of each group to provide it each year (like Puerto Ricans in ND). If you just want to know about whites, it's all there.

    I’m going to try to pull these programmatically, starting w/ 2006, when the current report format started. Are any tables, in addition to Table 9, of interest?

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    Yes, both combining SAT scores with ACT scores and controlling for participation rates are very important, as I mentioned in my other comment above. I described my methodology here:

    http://theunsilencedscience.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-sat-act-score-map.html

    Just using SAT scores will give ACT states in the Midwest a huge, unfair advantage. Not controlling for low overall participation rates will give low participation states, like Arizona, an unfair advantage.
  62. @ben tillman

    If Texas whites are so much smarter than Michigan whites, how come Michigan’s flagship university is so much more highly regarded than that of Texas?
     
    What you should have asked, to make your point, was "If Texas whites are so much smarter than Michigan whites, how come Michigan’s flagship university is so much better than that of Texas?" And then you should have presented evidence showing that Michigan is better than UT. And you should have explained why TAMU isn't factored into your analysis.

    For what it’s worth, here are the USN&WR rankings:

    U of Michigan #29
    U of Texas #53
    TAMU #68
    Michigan St. #85

    So the average of the top 2 in each state is a little closer. That doesn’t change the fact that Michigan punches well above its weight in the realm of higher education, considering all that the state has going against it.

    Another oddity in those rankings is how high the California schools score. Berkeley and UCLA I get. But San Diego, Santa Barbara, Davis, and Irvine are all in the top-50 as well.

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    Large presence of east coasters especially Ashkenazi Jews at the University of Michigan, a classic failsafe for those spurned by the Ivies. Texas public universities also automatically admit 10% of all high school students in response to affirmative action ban.
    , @Wilkey
    Texas also has private schools Rice University (#19) and SMU (#58). Baylor was in the Top 100, too. Doubtless all three privates get their fair share of Texas's top students.

    SFAIK, Michigan has none in the Top 100 save the ones you note. So neither state is especially impressive w.r.t. higher education, but Texas seems to do a wee bit better.

    FWIW, I don't give a whole lot of credence to the US News rankings. They're to easy to game, and the value qualities that might not matter all that much.
    , @anon
    Asians really bump the IQ at UC. Also out of state students. UC is hugely overrated (I went to UC Davis) You are trained to go to grad school, not for the job market.
  63. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    As someone who grew up in the Rust Belt of Pennsylvania but had parents from and spent most summers in Texas these results don’t completely surprise me.

    Texans may seem dumb because of matters of style like accent, dress, and politics but they are far from it. Texas’ success as a state, even outside it’s energy sector, seems to point to both a decent degree of intelligence and competence.

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  64. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    In the meantime, the 1965 Immigration Reform Act should never have been passed….there never should have been an H1 and L1 B visa program…0 Asian legal immigrants…and…..tap into the brains of Appalachia’s Native Born White American Youth for careers in medicine…science…technology…and the Space Program…this certaintly makes more sense than sending legal immigrant H1 B Visa young Hindu women with advanced engineering degrees into space with our Tax dollars.

    Go have a look at the website “Fundies say the darnest things”. The Folks over there apparently have a deep interest in my comments that I have made on other websites. In fact, there has been a lot of commentary over at “Fundies” about my Nativist NASA comments. The above comments of mine were made on several other websites…”Fundies say the darnest things” pulled my comments off of these websites. Lots of Asian Legal immigrants mocking my comments about a majority Native Born White American NASA. I don’t remember if they posted my wattylersrevolt comments or Bill Blizzard and his Men comments.

    Neil De Grasse Tyson has gone on record many times stating that the H1B and L1B Visa Program should be “torn up and burned forever”…..

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  65. I’m a Southerner, yada yada.

    But it seems to me I’ve seen an article, with tables and stuff (so you know it was on the level; stats does not bow to anyone with an axe to grind), stating that blacks raised in the “North” had higher SAT scores than whites from the South.

    It was pretty spectacular to see. And this data was from the 1960′s, at least the first half of which still had segregation, practically at least.

    I might add that this was an era where pretty much the only people who took that test were people intending to attend college.

    And just to throw something else out there, my impression is that the Okies who went to California, their kids performed just like anyone else in the school system (except for the guys who were going to grow up to become Merle Haggard, Jim Rockford, and the Hell’s Angels).

    Some cultures just do not/did not emphasize academics. I have often speculated that children of the same family, raised in Oklahoma/Texas as opposed to California, can have very different life trajectories and educational achievements.

    Of course Jayman will be along to claim otherwise. But even though genetics appears to be more important than anything else, I guarantee you that you can totally stunt the potential of those genetics if you put a child in the wrong environment.

    So environment does do something. Best way to express my thinking is “it can totally f*3k someone up,” past the ability of genetics to rescue you. Well barring the statistically unlikely event or so.

    So my take is environment can’t make a purse out of a pig’s ear, but it can add that ear to the pile.

    And if the ear wants to be a purse, well heh heh. That ear might find itself cut into strips of leather or something, you know? For fun, for acting too much like a purse.

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    Of course Jayman will be along to claim otherwise. But even though genetics appears to be more important than anything else, I guarantee you that you can totally stunt the potential of those genetics if you put a child in the wrong environment.

    So environment does do something. Best way to express my thinking is “it can totally f*3k someone up,” past the ability of genetics to rescue you. Well barring the statistically unlikely event or so.
     

    It's a lot harder than it sounds, though.
  66. @Anonymous
    It seems like the states with a lot of ethnic whites (Irish, Italians, Greeks) score above average like in Connecticut, NY, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Illinois.

    Lots of ethnic Germans in PA as well. In fact, as is well known, the German, Irish, and British (including Scotch Irish) percentage for the country as a whole is very large. The thing is that these ethnic groups tend to marry out at high rates so they become “American” pretty quickly. But most people that I know who have been here any considerable period of time (a century or more) usually can claim some heritage from those three groups. Incidentally, that includes most minority groups as well.

    My experience is that ethnic identity among Italian, Jewish, Greek, etc. Americans tends to be strongest the closer they are to their forefathers’ landfall — New York, that is — but that diminishes the farther you move south and west. But even among those that I know today marrying out is quite common.

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  67. Mike Zwick [AKA "Dahinda"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    California used to be the top draw for Midwesterners leaving the Midwest. Texas now holds that spot. My Mom’s Illinois high school year book from the 1950′s had blurbs after the names of each of the senior class with the answer to the question “what does your future hold?” Many of them said “I will be living in California.” My senior class from high school (the same school), 1983, had many people leave Illinois after graduation. Most went to Texas with a few who went to Wisconsin or Florida. Dallas seems to be the top spot with Austin in second for these expats from Illinois.

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  68. Interesting. One effect of disenchanted New Jerseyites moving to North Carolina is raising the average IQ. Great, now I can brag that my moving from NJ to NC actually did raise North Carolina’s IQ average.

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  69. @JerseyGuy
    There's been discussions for a long time about people leaving the Northeast for lower tax states in the South. Yet, this hasn't really seemed to hurt test scores or impact the overall white IQ. The proximity to New York City continues to draw smart people to NJ and Connecticut, where they eventually settle down to start families.

    From what I can tell, it seems like the largest group that moves to lower tax states like Florida, North Carolina, etc. is the middle-middle class. The upper middle class seems to be just fine with the ways things are (for the most part) in relatively high tax states like NJ or Mass.

    If you have enough good colleges and universities, you’ll attract lots of smart people to attend them. A measurable percentage find it amenable and decide to stay.

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  70. @JerseyGuy
    There's been discussions for a long time about people leaving the Northeast for lower tax states in the South. Yet, this hasn't really seemed to hurt test scores or impact the overall white IQ. The proximity to New York City continues to draw smart people to NJ and Connecticut, where they eventually settle down to start families.

    From what I can tell, it seems like the largest group that moves to lower tax states like Florida, North Carolina, etc. is the middle-middle class. The upper middle class seems to be just fine with the ways things are (for the most part) in relatively high tax states like NJ or Mass.

    There’s been discussions for a long time about people leaving the Northeast for lower tax states in the South.

    They are fleeing the weather. You can flee taxes by moving to New Hampshire. At least anecdotally, in my experience the Northeast is not losing its best and brightest to emigration to the South. My high school friends who went South were not the most ambitious kids. For the most part they ended up being cops, auto mechanics, boat captains or other middle to lower middle class jobs. Or strippers. Of the top 20% of my high school class I bet 90% are still in New England, and we get high IQ economic refugees from places like Ohio, Upstate New York and Michigan all the time. If smart New Englanders do go south it tends to be for academic or finance jobs in the research triangle, or some professional position in Houston or Dallas. People outside Houston tend to underestimate that city. It may seem ugly, flat and boring, but there is a lot of financial and industrial power concentrated there, and a lot of international capital.

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    At least anecdotally, in my experience the Northeast is not losing its best and brightest to emigration to the South.
     
    I wish.

    There are too many darned Yankees in Virginia now. Much of Northern Virginia now seems like Long Island.
    , @JerseyGuy
    Peter,
    That's been my observation as well from my high school class in Northern NJ (class if 2002). The top 20 percent stayed in the Northeast. Most of the students who moved South were blue collar types. Not saying it is a good thing. It just complicates the narrative of high tax vs low tax states.
  71. @gcochran
    States can exclude students with disabilities (SD) or that are English-language learners ELL from NAEP tests.

    States don't all exclude the same fraction. For example, with 8th grade reading, Iowa excludes 1% and Texas excludes 6%. With 4th grade reading, Iowa excludes 1% and Texas excludes 10%.

    In grade 4, Iowa classifies 15% as disabled and excludes 1 out of 15. Texas classifies 10% as disabled and excludes 6 out of 10.

    In grade 4, Iowa classifies 6% as ELL and excludes almost none. Texas classifies 22% as ELL and excludes 5 out of 22.

    The Texas Miracle !

    States can exclude students with disabilities (SD) or that are English-language learners ELL from NAEP tests.

    States don’t all exclude the same fraction. For example, with 8th grade reading, Iowa excludes 1% and Texas excludes 6%. With 4th grade reading, Iowa excludes 1% and Texas excludes 10%.

    In grade 4, Iowa classifies 15% as disabled and excludes 1 out of 15. Texas classifies 10% as disabled and excludes 6 out of 10.

    In grade 4, Iowa classifies 6% as ELL and excludes almost none. Texas classifies 22% as ELL and excludes 5 out of 22.

    The Texas Miracle !

    Yeah, that’s quite telling. Texas is gaming the system

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    Texas may be gaming its scores, but it is unclear how much that affects the white scores--I would expect that almost all of the Texas students excluded as ELL would be Mexican/Central American. It may be that the percentage of whites excluded in TX is no different than in IA. The gaming may be more of an effort to minimize the Gap.
    , @ben tillman

    Yeah, that’s quite telling. Texas is gaming the system
     
    No, he didn't prove that. It's possible, but he didn't prove it.

    First, the numbers aren't broken down by race. Audacious Epigone's comparison was between white populations. Obviously, the ELL's aren't going to be white, so it doesn't matter how they are classified. And who knows what kind of racial breakdown we would see regarding "disabled" students, but I would guess they're heavily black in Texas.

    Second, we need to know what other states do to answer the question about Texas. maybe, instead of Texas gaming the system, the phenomenon is that Iowa is unduly hard on itself. There's no reason to think Texas is more of an outlier than Iowa is. Iowa underperforms my expectations, so I am inclined to think it is an outlier that excludes fewer children from its numbers, but we can't conclude anything without knowing what other states do.

  72. “New Jersey whites (who, Bruce Springsteen songs to the contrary, are a notably intelligent and well-educated white population) scores 0.4 standard deviations higher than Alabama whites. ”

    Since IQ is your thing, maybe you should elaborate on this. I would think .4 SD on IQ (nearly 1/2 SD) is, in fact, a pretty large difference. The standard numbers around the racial gap in IQ is one SD between blacks and whites, and 1SD is, as far as we can tell, enough to induce completely different civilizations within the same country.

    “…0.86 s.d. gap between Washington D.C. whites and nearby West Virginia whites is substantial, and may subtly color a lot of media discourse.” Again, I would think it would color more than that-it is nearly the same gap 1SD gap between races just mentioned, and would logically, again, induce pretty large differences in culture (which, without being an expert in either West Virginia or Washington D.C., seems possible).

    So my point is: we can all see what a 1SD gap does to culture. What does .4 SD do? .4 as much (.4 as much difference in crime, in graduate school rates, in high school graduation, in library use, and so on)? How close is .86 SD to 1 SD in civilizational terms? (is it a linear scale? Log? asymptotic? etc).

    I know none of this information is available or really quantifiable in the way I am asking. But it does bring up interesting questions related to IQ. How much of a difference will .5SD/.4SD/.86SD make to the relative behaviors, and thus relative cultures, of two populations? Legitimate questions that IQ scientists should be considering.

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  73. @syonredux

    States can exclude students with disabilities (SD) or that are English-language learners ELL from NAEP tests.

    States don’t all exclude the same fraction. For example, with 8th grade reading, Iowa excludes 1% and Texas excludes 6%. With 4th grade reading, Iowa excludes 1% and Texas excludes 10%.

    In grade 4, Iowa classifies 15% as disabled and excludes 1 out of 15. Texas classifies 10% as disabled and excludes 6 out of 10.

    In grade 4, Iowa classifies 6% as ELL and excludes almost none. Texas classifies 22% as ELL and excludes 5 out of 22.

    The Texas Miracle !
     
    Yeah, that's quite telling. Texas is gaming the system

    Texas may be gaming its scores, but it is unclear how much that affects the white scores–I would expect that almost all of the Texas students excluded as ELL would be Mexican/Central American. It may be that the percentage of whites excluded in TX is no different than in IA. The gaming may be more of an effort to minimize the Gap.

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  74. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    I wonder if there’s any correlation between IQ and amount of missing teeth per adult in a state.

    https://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/8324.pdf

    (Also obesity.)

    Not joking here, quite serious.

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    • Replies: @JayMan
    Yes, there's a (negative) correlation between IQ and obesity:

    Obesity and IQ | JayMan's Blog

    However, it's more so within groups, not so much between them:

    A Fat World – With a Fat Secret? | JayMan's Blog

    , @res
    Hans Eysenck actually mentions a strong missing teeth/IQ correlation in The Measurement of Intelligence. See page 427--just search for missing teeth inside the book here:
    https://books.google.com/books?ei=wKPbVPK9NoufyATwj4GgDA&id=kpHgAAAAMAAJ

    It would be very interesting to know if that correlation holds for different populations and how well it holds up after correction for other variables.

    , @iffen
    Low bar for bemusement and amusement there, Bemused.
    , @Bryan Pesta
    To the person who asked about lost teeth. They correlate -.67 with AE's IQ estimates. Obesity (BMI > 30) correlates -.58.

    To the person who said the range seemed narrow: The standard deviation here is not 15; it's 1.59.

    So Massachusetts differs from Mississippi by almost 4 sds. If scaled in IQ scores, this would be something like the former averaging 130 and the latter averaging 70.

    There's a guy who did these estimates not correcting for race. He decided not to use sds of 15 as the implication was that residents of some states are, on average, borderline mentally retarded. My point is the range here is anything but narrow...

    btw, no one seems willing to admit it, but blue states are smarter in these data.

  75. @The Last Real Calvinist
    I'm another NW Iowa product, and am similarly mortified by our home state's indifferent ranking.

    I also grew up secretly suspecting that NW Iowa people were intellectually superior to the rest of the state, although ostensibly there should be little basis for this other than pure tribal prejudice. But then I look at the relative success Sioux County (especially) in comparison with the rest of rural Iowa, and I do wonder . . . . but nah, residual Protestant Ethic is a more parsimonious explanation.

    My guess for the MN/IA discrepancy is decades of IA talent (including quite a few of my bright peers) siphoned off by the twin cities. I think that's slowed, or perhaps even reversed, in more recent years, with several IA cities now doing very well, but there may be long-term effects that have yet to be mitigated.

    Des Moines is becoming a real city now! My brother lives there and the place has a lot to offer. Lots of my most talented classmates ended up in Colorado too, but you are right about the Twin Cities being a magnet for Iowa talent.

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  76. @anon
    Re California:
    1. Public education really sucks here. You have to live here to know how bad it is. Middle school is a real cesspool since they stopped putting different ability kids into separate classes like they still do in high school.
    2. The smart whites with families have left in droves, replaced by younger tech nerds who have less kids. Result, more low IQ whites on a percentage basis in Cali.
    3. Who knows how many non-whites say they are white? White latinos anyone?
    4. The white immigrants have trouble with the language parts of the test.
    5. The high income whites put their kids in private schools where they may not get tested.

    School districts also influence location quite a bit.
    Around the greater Los Angeles area, recall the clamor in the 1980s to get into the La Canada-Flintridge and San Marino districts due to the proximity of JPL (less so after the Berlin Wall fell, but offset by influx of Chinese which caused a different white flight of equity refugees), or the Las Virgenes district due to a combination of proximity to west San Fernando Valley engineering jobs (since dispersed out the 101 corridor), or more pointedly, because “not the LA Unified District”.

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  77. @Hugh
    The overall range, 95-105, is really quite narrow. I don't think that a casual visitor to a high ranked state and then a low ranked state could tell the difference.

    Right, I’m sure regional differences are much more telling. You could travel through a high average intelligence neighborhood and a low one in a 10 minute drive from my house.

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  78. @Steve Sailer
    My guess is that Texas has been attracting smart people, especially Southerners, for oil or more general business opportunities for a very long time.

    “GTT” (Gone to Texas) has been Southern slang for a long time. Texas has been siphoning off Southerners with initiative since Sam Houston’s day. It’s not uncommon for first and second generation east Texans to still send their daughters to Ole Miss and Alabama (since they won’t get into the top sororities at UT, and to put them in a less urbane college environment).

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  79. I agree with the comments above that the range of IQ’s shown isn’t drastic, only ~10 points, and that there could easily be some gaming the system, but Texas doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. The data IS whites only, and most white Texans are city-dwellers, not backwoods hicks camping out in the boonies. Houston, San Antonio, Austin, the entire DFW metro… these are major nodes for corporate America. Smart people live in cities, and Texas has quite a few of the biggest. Lack of state tax and cost-of-living considerations make it easy too.

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  80. @Mr. Blank
    Welp, I'm an Alabama boy -- a product of Alabama public schools! -- so I guess there's no hope for me! :)

    All joking aside, what this tells me is that however valuable they might be, IQ tests -- and I'm a regular iSteve reader, so clearly I'm a firm believer in the value of IQ tests -- still miss a lot of stuff. (Which Steve himself has been known to point out.)

    I've been to both New York and California's Bay Area -- two of the biggest concentrations of high-IQ folks in the world. While they are both nice places to visit, I can't imagine wanting to live in either one unless I was really, really, really rich.

    Since I'm not, I can't really imagine wanting to live anywhere outside the "low IQ" South. The language and customs and lifestyle are what feels most comfortable to me. :)

    (Though I gotta admit, the Big Apple does have a certain sort of temptation for the Southern soul -- Mark Twain, Tennessee Williams, Truman Capote, and Tom Wolfe all seemed to fit right in there, and having visited a few times, I think I can see why: The city definitely has a heaping helping of the absurdist charm we're drawn to.)

    (Though I gotta admit, the Big Apple does have a certain sort of temptation for the Southern soul — Mark Twain, Tennessee Williams, Truman Capote, and Tom Wolfe all seemed to fit right in there, and having visited a few times, I think I can see why: The city definitely has a heaping helping of the absurdist charm we’re drawn to.)

    Agreed. I’m from Mississippi, and when it came to left and right coast cities that attracted the more cultural of my brethren, it has been 100% NYC. The more aristocratic types love it there. I’ve never seen a single one of them interested in LA, SF, Seattle, Boston (the horror!), or any other coastal city. I knew of some plantation heiresses who kept townhouses there back in the day and had contacts with the literary and art scenes. As per my previous post, Texas is a heartland draw, and NYC the hip coastal draw.

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  81. Texas has way, way more immigrants than Iowa so why wouldn’t they exclude more? I live in Houston, which is probably one of the most “multicultural” cities in the world. There really is only one culture here, and it is “make money”, but I digress. Oil companies roll out the red carpet for immigrants and their families, so it doesn’t surprise me that there are a ton of children here that can hardly speak English.

    4% of Iowa’s population is foreign-born compared to 15% in Texas.

    Another interesting tidbit: 45% of Texas are non-Hispanic white, while 88% of Iowa are non-Hispanic white.

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  82. @syonredux

    States can exclude students with disabilities (SD) or that are English-language learners ELL from NAEP tests.

    States don’t all exclude the same fraction. For example, with 8th grade reading, Iowa excludes 1% and Texas excludes 6%. With 4th grade reading, Iowa excludes 1% and Texas excludes 10%.

    In grade 4, Iowa classifies 15% as disabled and excludes 1 out of 15. Texas classifies 10% as disabled and excludes 6 out of 10.

    In grade 4, Iowa classifies 6% as ELL and excludes almost none. Texas classifies 22% as ELL and excludes 5 out of 22.

    The Texas Miracle !
     
    Yeah, that's quite telling. Texas is gaming the system

    Yeah, that’s quite telling. Texas is gaming the system

    No, he didn’t prove that. It’s possible, but he didn’t prove it.

    First, the numbers aren’t broken down by race. Audacious Epigone’s comparison was between white populations. Obviously, the ELL’s aren’t going to be white, so it doesn’t matter how they are classified. And who knows what kind of racial breakdown we would see regarding “disabled” students, but I would guess they’re heavily black in Texas.

    Second, we need to know what other states do to answer the question about Texas. maybe, instead of Texas gaming the system, the phenomenon is that Iowa is unduly hard on itself. There’s no reason to think Texas is more of an outlier than Iowa is. Iowa underperforms my expectations, so I am inclined to think it is an outlier that excludes fewer children from its numbers, but we can’t conclude anything without knowing what other states do.

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    Second, we need to know what other states do to answer the question about Texas. maybe, instead of Texas gaming the system, the phenomenon is that Iowa is unduly hard on itself.
     
    So perhaps Texas is the norm vis-a-vis gaming the system while Iowa is unusually honest?

    In grade 4, Iowa classifies 15% as disabled and excludes 1 out of 15. Texas classifies 10% as disabled and excludes 6 out of 10.

    In grade 4, Iowa classifies 6% as ELL and excludes almost none. Texas classifies 22% as ELL and excludes 5 out of 22.
     
    Could be.Does anyone have the rates for other states?
  83. Like other Latin American countries, America has a dubious definition of “white”. Do these whites include people from Middle Eastern origins, does it include Hispanics with significant native DNA ?

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  84. @jo s'more
    He really needs to do blacks only as well.

    You might be surprised where the brightest blacks are.

    Excellent point. Have similar studies/graphs of US by state been done of the IQ of blacks?

    Anyone?

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  85. @ben tillman

    Yeah, that’s quite telling. Texas is gaming the system
     
    No, he didn't prove that. It's possible, but he didn't prove it.

    First, the numbers aren't broken down by race. Audacious Epigone's comparison was between white populations. Obviously, the ELL's aren't going to be white, so it doesn't matter how they are classified. And who knows what kind of racial breakdown we would see regarding "disabled" students, but I would guess they're heavily black in Texas.

    Second, we need to know what other states do to answer the question about Texas. maybe, instead of Texas gaming the system, the phenomenon is that Iowa is unduly hard on itself. There's no reason to think Texas is more of an outlier than Iowa is. Iowa underperforms my expectations, so I am inclined to think it is an outlier that excludes fewer children from its numbers, but we can't conclude anything without knowing what other states do.

    Second, we need to know what other states do to answer the question about Texas. maybe, instead of Texas gaming the system, the phenomenon is that Iowa is unduly hard on itself.

    So perhaps Texas is the norm vis-a-vis gaming the system while Iowa is unusually honest?

    In grade 4, Iowa classifies 15% as disabled and excludes 1 out of 15. Texas classifies 10% as disabled and excludes 6 out of 10.

    In grade 4, Iowa classifies 6% as ELL and excludes almost none. Texas classifies 22% as ELL and excludes 5 out of 22.

    Could be.Does anyone have the rates for other states?

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    National average of exclusion for 4th grade is 4%: Iowa is 1%, Texas is 10%.

    For 8th grade, national average is 3%: Iowa is 1%, Texas is 6%. Maryland is 8%.

    The people running the NAEP are quite aware that some states, Texas and Maryland prominently, are gaming the system. They had a meeting about it. What they need to do is pistol-whip the educational authorities in Texas. For starters.

    Iowa is honest - un-American, at this point.
  86. “I agree with the comments above that the range of IQ’s shown isn’t drastic, only ~10 points,”

    Sorry to beat a dead horse, but 10 points is pretty huge for a population-wide average. If IQ realists are to be believed, 15 points effectively explains the difference between Africa and the West. 10 points, 2/3 of that, should create tangible differences in culture (again, if IQ realists are to be believed).

    10 points between individuals? (say 110 and 120)? Perhaps that’s not so much. But if IQ means anything, 10 points between populations is meaningful. Pure speculation here, but I’d imagine 7 points (1/2SD) should yield a noticeable difference between cultures. And if it doesn’t, it calls into question the validity of IQ in general.

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  87. @anon
    I'm going to try to pull these programmatically, starting w/ 2006, when the current report format started. Are any tables, in addition to Table 9, of interest?

    Yes, both combining SAT scores with ACT scores and controlling for participation rates are very important, as I mentioned in my other comment above. I described my methodology here:

    http://theunsilencedscience.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-sat-act-score-map.html

    Just using SAT scores will give ACT states in the Midwest a huge, unfair advantage. Not controlling for low overall participation rates will give low participation states, like Arizona, an unfair advantage.

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  88. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    As a white Californian who has known dozens of friends and family that have moved to Texas, the numbers on the map don’t pass the smell test. Every one of them moved to Texas because they were failures in California, too dumb to hack it in an expensive state. Texas’ population growth isn’t driven by a handful of petroleum engineers in the one nice neighborhood in Houston, it’s driven by the thousands of white families who every week move to its exurbs for cheap living.

    The huge difference between OK and TX isn’t plausible. Then again, anecdotes aren’t data.

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    As a white Californian who has known dozens of friends and family that have moved to Texas, the numbers on the map don’t pass the smell test. Every one of them moved to Texas because they were failures in California, too dumb to hack it in an expensive state.
     
    That's hilarious. As a long-time resident of Dallas, I know a grand total of one person who has moved here from California, and he has degrees from Cal Tech and two Ivy League schools.
  89. @Sunbeam
    I'm a Southerner, yada yada.

    But it seems to me I've seen an article, with tables and stuff (so you know it was on the level; stats does not bow to anyone with an axe to grind), stating that blacks raised in the "North" had higher SAT scores than whites from the South.

    It was pretty spectacular to see. And this data was from the 1960's, at least the first half of which still had segregation, practically at least.

    I might add that this was an era where pretty much the only people who took that test were people intending to attend college.

    And just to throw something else out there, my impression is that the Okies who went to California, their kids performed just like anyone else in the school system (except for the guys who were going to grow up to become Merle Haggard, Jim Rockford, and the Hell's Angels).

    Some cultures just do not/did not emphasize academics. I have often speculated that children of the same family, raised in Oklahoma/Texas as opposed to California, can have very different life trajectories and educational achievements.

    Of course Jayman will be along to claim otherwise. But even though genetics appears to be more important than anything else, I guarantee you that you can totally stunt the potential of those genetics if you put a child in the wrong environment.

    So environment does do something. Best way to express my thinking is "it can totally f*3k someone up," past the ability of genetics to rescue you. Well barring the statistically unlikely event or so.

    So my take is environment can't make a purse out of a pig's ear, but it can add that ear to the pile.

    And if the ear wants to be a purse, well heh heh. That ear might find itself cut into strips of leather or something, you know? For fun, for acting too much like a purse.

    Of course Jayman will be along to claim otherwise. But even though genetics appears to be more important than anything else, I guarantee you that you can totally stunt the potential of those genetics if you put a child in the wrong environment.

    So environment does do something. Best way to express my thinking is “it can totally f*3k someone up,” past the ability of genetics to rescue you. Well barring the statistically unlikely event or so.

    It’s a lot harder than it sounds, though.

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  90. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @ben tillman

    Dallas is a major center for national corporate headquarters and regional offices, while Houston is the capital of the world’s energy business.
     
    Houston is more blue-collar than Dallas, but being "capital of the world's energy business is a pretty big deal. And what city other than New York sports two law firms like V&E and Baker & Botts? Maybe LA, but I don't think so.

    Still, when the son of Racehorse Haynes's "ultimate Great White Defendant" moved from Dallas to Houston, I told him he'd raise the IQ of both cities. It's an old joke, but I regret it. He's a nice guy.

    What does that mean, “two law firms like V&E and Baker and Botts”?

    Vinson & Elkins showed its mettle with its “investigation” of Enron’s accounting, blessing Fastow’s off-the-books partnerships just days before he resigned. And BB knows a lot about oil leases and tax issues, so what? Whatever the city, big firms almost always get their heads handed to them at trial by talented solos.

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  91. @WhatEvvs
    I wonder if there's any correlation between IQ and amount of missing teeth per adult in a state.

    https://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/8324.pdf

    (Also obesity.)

    Not joking here, quite serious.

    Yes, there’s a (negative) correlation between IQ and obesity:

    Obesity and IQ | JayMan’s Blog

    However, it’s more so within groups, not so much between them:

    A Fat World – With a Fat Secret? | JayMan’s Blog

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  92. @WhatEvvs
    I wonder if there's any correlation between IQ and amount of missing teeth per adult in a state.

    https://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/8324.pdf

    (Also obesity.)

    Not joking here, quite serious.

    Hans Eysenck actually mentions a strong missing teeth/IQ correlation in The Measurement of Intelligence. See page 427–just search for missing teeth inside the book here:

    https://books.google.com/books?ei=wKPbVPK9NoufyATwj4GgDA&id=kpHgAAAAMAAJ

    It would be very interesting to know if that correlation holds for different populations and how well it holds up after correction for other variables.

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  93. @Steve Sailer
    And I suspect that oil workers and refinery workers tend to be above average for blue collar workers.

    Your assumption is correct having worked in both refineries and steel mills. Pre-employment tests are far more rigorous for refineries. The majority of the non-maintenance process operating personnel in refineries work behind massive touch screen displays. Most valves, combustion and process flows are nearly all remotely actuated. Operators climb the towers on rounds to visually check for problems and to check if gauges and instrumentation are operating correctly; the valves, pumps and compressors are operated by touching screens.

    Many steel mill processes are computer controlled too, but there are huge numbers of tasks that such as material handling (cranes, forklifts and rail ) and the regular repair of consumables like rolling mill rolls and refractory lined vessels that require less abstract reasoning.

    Refining in texas is only part of the story. Petroleum exploration work requires complex 3D modeling technologies and computing; oil production itself requires lots of engineering talent. All those people are are on the far right of the curve.

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  94. @Anonymous
    It seems like the states with a lot of ethnic whites (Irish, Italians, Greeks) score above average like in Connecticut, NY, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Illinois.

    Maybe Catholic education does a better job getting the best out of average students. These schools maintain a much more orderly and rigorous learning environment than public schools with higher rates of NAM’s.

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  95. Poor Maine, the red-headed stepchild of New England. The hillbillies of New Hampshire are uplifted by the blow-ins from Massachusetts, as are the ones in Vermont by the New York interlopers. Maine gets elderly queens buying up its south coast.

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    Poor Maine, the red-headed stepchild of New England. The hillbillies of New Hampshire are uplifted by the blow-ins from Massachusetts
     
    Think French Canadians...
  96. @Hapalong Cassidy
    For what it's worth, here are the USN&WR rankings:

    U of Michigan #29
    U of Texas #53
    TAMU #68
    Michigan St. #85

    So the average of the top 2 in each state is a little closer. That doesn't change the fact that Michigan punches well above its weight in the realm of higher education, considering all that the state has going against it.

    Another oddity in those rankings is how high the California schools score. Berkeley and UCLA I get. But San Diego, Santa Barbara, Davis, and Irvine are all in the top-50 as well.

    Large presence of east coasters especially Ashkenazi Jews at the University of Michigan, a classic failsafe for those spurned by the Ivies. Texas public universities also automatically admit 10% of all high school students in response to affirmative action ban.

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  97. @Hapalong Cassidy
    For what it's worth, here are the USN&WR rankings:

    U of Michigan #29
    U of Texas #53
    TAMU #68
    Michigan St. #85

    So the average of the top 2 in each state is a little closer. That doesn't change the fact that Michigan punches well above its weight in the realm of higher education, considering all that the state has going against it.

    Another oddity in those rankings is how high the California schools score. Berkeley and UCLA I get. But San Diego, Santa Barbara, Davis, and Irvine are all in the top-50 as well.

    Texas also has private schools Rice University (#19) and SMU (#58). Baylor was in the Top 100, too. Doubtless all three privates get their fair share of Texas’s top students.

    SFAIK, Michigan has none in the Top 100 save the ones you note. So neither state is especially impressive w.r.t. higher education, but Texas seems to do a wee bit better.

    FWIW, I don’t give a whole lot of credence to the US News rankings. They’re to easy to game, and the value qualities that might not matter all that much.

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  98. @WhatEvvs
    I wonder if there's any correlation between IQ and amount of missing teeth per adult in a state.

    https://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/8324.pdf

    (Also obesity.)

    Not joking here, quite serious.

    Low bar for bemusement and amusement there, Bemused.

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  99. @Buzz Mohawk

    "...the states with the smartest Whites went to Obama. So either there weren’t enough smart Whites in those states, or the Whites there aren’t that smart after all."
     
    We need to get away from this idea that smart people are automatically right about everything. Live a little, and you will find that smart people can be pretty dumb. And annoying.

    Hi 5 to you.

    Dumb people who think that they are smart can be really dumb.

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  100. I have driven across the US many times. It takes several days and I have a bowel movement every day. So there are some states in which I have had a bowel movement and other in which I haven’t.

    I can’t help but notice that those states in which I have made a deposit have higher IQs that states that did not receive any of my fecal matter.

    I present this analysis here along with all the similar analyses.

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  101. Texas shouldn’t surprise anyone who’s been paying attention for the past 20 years. Texas is today what California was 30+ years ago. Demographically, it’s also following a similar arc, but I digress.

    I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop and for a sizable chunk of the entertainment industry to migrate to Austin. A major studio sets up shop, and Austin becomes another “second Hollywood” a la Vancouver. (Hollywood East? Hollywood South?) Instead, though, Austin seems to be turning into Texas’s version of the SF Bay Area.

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  102. @syonredux

    Second, we need to know what other states do to answer the question about Texas. maybe, instead of Texas gaming the system, the phenomenon is that Iowa is unduly hard on itself.
     
    So perhaps Texas is the norm vis-a-vis gaming the system while Iowa is unusually honest?

    In grade 4, Iowa classifies 15% as disabled and excludes 1 out of 15. Texas classifies 10% as disabled and excludes 6 out of 10.

    In grade 4, Iowa classifies 6% as ELL and excludes almost none. Texas classifies 22% as ELL and excludes 5 out of 22.
     
    Could be.Does anyone have the rates for other states?

    National average of exclusion for 4th grade is 4%: Iowa is 1%, Texas is 10%.

    For 8th grade, national average is 3%: Iowa is 1%, Texas is 6%. Maryland is 8%.

    The people running the NAEP are quite aware that some states, Texas and Maryland prominently, are gaming the system. They had a meeting about it. What they need to do is pistol-whip the educational authorities in Texas. For starters.

    Iowa is honest – un-American, at this point.

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  104. @Buzz Mohawk

    "...the states with the smartest Whites went to Obama. So either there weren’t enough smart Whites in those states, or the Whites there aren’t that smart after all."
     
    We need to get away from this idea that smart people are automatically right about everything. Live a little, and you will find that smart people can be pretty dumb. And annoying.

    “We need to get away from this idea that smart people are automatically right about everything. Live a little, and you will find that smart people can be pretty dumb. And annoying.”

    A high I.Q. doesn’t always translate into wisdom. As you suggest, smart people can be functionally quite stupid, irrespective of their relative cognitive gifts.

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    • Replies: @JayMan

    A high I.Q. doesn’t always translate into wisdom. As you suggest, smart people can be functionally quite stupid, irrespective of their relative cognitive gifts.
     
    Indeed. It's the way to bet, though.

    Of course, it helps if you're smart yourself. Sometimes it's your only chance (i.e., don't trust the "experts").
  105. @Reg Cæsar

    So either there weren’t enough smart Whites in those states, or the Whites there aren’t that smart after all.
     
    You ignore a third, likelier explanation: smart whites vote for Obama because they're cynical, self-serving bastards. Lawyers, academics, public "servants", etc.

    “You ignore a third, likelier explanation: smart whites vote for Obama because they’re cynical, self-serving bastards.”

    I like the way this guy thinks.

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  106. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    For what it's worth, here are the USN&WR rankings:

    U of Michigan #29
    U of Texas #53
    TAMU #68
    Michigan St. #85

    So the average of the top 2 in each state is a little closer. That doesn't change the fact that Michigan punches well above its weight in the realm of higher education, considering all that the state has going against it.

    Another oddity in those rankings is how high the California schools score. Berkeley and UCLA I get. But San Diego, Santa Barbara, Davis, and Irvine are all in the top-50 as well.

    Asians really bump the IQ at UC. Also out of state students. UC is hugely overrated (I went to UC Davis) You are trained to go to grad school, not for the job market.

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  107. Pages 3-5, here, appear to show inclusion rates by state but I confess I can’t quite interpret exactly what they mean. Texas isn’t an outlier. Maryland really is the only state that gives pause if I’m interpreting the figures correctly.

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  108. Received lots of helpful feedback thanks to Steve’s spotlight. Using it, I’m going to tweak the tables for all states and whites over the weekend (so if by chance you’re using the data for any other analyses, you might want to wait until Saturday to do). The before and after values correlate at a nearly perfect .993 so it’s going to be virtually undetectable clean up, but it’ll make me feel better.

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  109. @Peter Akuleyev

    There’s been discussions for a long time about people leaving the Northeast for lower tax states in the South.
     
    They are fleeing the weather. You can flee taxes by moving to New Hampshire. At least anecdotally, in my experience the Northeast is not losing its best and brightest to emigration to the South. My high school friends who went South were not the most ambitious kids. For the most part they ended up being cops, auto mechanics, boat captains or other middle to lower middle class jobs. Or strippers. Of the top 20% of my high school class I bet 90% are still in New England, and we get high IQ economic refugees from places like Ohio, Upstate New York and Michigan all the time. If smart New Englanders do go south it tends to be for academic or finance jobs in the research triangle, or some professional position in Houston or Dallas. People outside Houston tend to underestimate that city. It may seem ugly, flat and boring, but there is a lot of financial and industrial power concentrated there, and a lot of international capital.

    At least anecdotally, in my experience the Northeast is not losing its best and brightest to emigration to the South.

    I wish.

    There are too many darned Yankees in Virginia now. Much of Northern Virginia now seems like Long Island.

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  110. @WhatEvvs
    I wonder if there's any correlation between IQ and amount of missing teeth per adult in a state.

    https://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/8324.pdf

    (Also obesity.)

    Not joking here, quite serious.

    To the person who asked about lost teeth. They correlate -.67 with AE’s IQ estimates. Obesity (BMI > 30) correlates -.58.

    To the person who said the range seemed narrow: The standard deviation here is not 15; it’s 1.59.

    So Massachusetts differs from Mississippi by almost 4 sds. If scaled in IQ scores, this would be something like the former averaging 130 and the latter averaging 70.

    There’s a guy who did these estimates not correcting for race. He decided not to use sds of 15 as the implication was that residents of some states are, on average, borderline mentally retarded. My point is the range here is anything but narrow…

    btw, no one seems willing to admit it, but blue states are smarter in these data.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "So Massachusetts differs from Mississippi by almost 4 sds."

    No.

    , @res
    Do you have a reference for those correlation numbers so I can examine in more detail? (Thanks!)
    I can see how the missing teeth correlation might hold across some uniform populations (e.g. males entering the military, but even there it seems high given the current state of dentistry), but I would expect age to be a major confounder in a population which includes both the elderly and young.
    Sadly, the Eysenck reference I gave earlier did not (that I could find) include a citation of the original source.

    I think I understand where you get the 1.59 SD calculation, but I don't think that is the relevant metric to express how different the people are between states. The two metrics that seem relevant are average phenotypic difference (which IMHO is well expressed using the SD of 15 as the earlier poster did) and frequency of given ranges (e.g. greater/less than an IQ threshold). I'd be interested in statistics for the latter, but I think it would be better to actually calculate them from the raw data rather than relying on a mean/SD normal approximation.

    P.S. For those trying to decide how big a difference in mean IQ matters, I think a good way to think about that is looking at country level IQs and comparing countries with a given difference:
    http://www.photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html
    By that criteria I don't think the state differences above are that large except for the very extremes (Washington DC at 108.0 and WV at 95.1). The others all fall within [97.5, 104.4].
  111. @Peter Akuleyev

    There’s been discussions for a long time about people leaving the Northeast for lower tax states in the South.
     
    They are fleeing the weather. You can flee taxes by moving to New Hampshire. At least anecdotally, in my experience the Northeast is not losing its best and brightest to emigration to the South. My high school friends who went South were not the most ambitious kids. For the most part they ended up being cops, auto mechanics, boat captains or other middle to lower middle class jobs. Or strippers. Of the top 20% of my high school class I bet 90% are still in New England, and we get high IQ economic refugees from places like Ohio, Upstate New York and Michigan all the time. If smart New Englanders do go south it tends to be for academic or finance jobs in the research triangle, or some professional position in Houston or Dallas. People outside Houston tend to underestimate that city. It may seem ugly, flat and boring, but there is a lot of financial and industrial power concentrated there, and a lot of international capital.

    Peter,
    That’s been my observation as well from my high school class in Northern NJ (class if 2002). The top 20 percent stayed in the Northeast. Most of the students who moved South were blue collar types. Not saying it is a good thing. It just complicates the narrative of high tax vs low tax states.

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  112. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    I love a map with a sense of humor, or at least a touch of irony:

    “The darker the tint the better the 8th graders.”

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  113. @Bryan Pesta
    To the person who asked about lost teeth. They correlate -.67 with AE's IQ estimates. Obesity (BMI > 30) correlates -.58.

    To the person who said the range seemed narrow: The standard deviation here is not 15; it's 1.59.

    So Massachusetts differs from Mississippi by almost 4 sds. If scaled in IQ scores, this would be something like the former averaging 130 and the latter averaging 70.

    There's a guy who did these estimates not correcting for race. He decided not to use sds of 15 as the implication was that residents of some states are, on average, borderline mentally retarded. My point is the range here is anything but narrow...

    btw, no one seems willing to admit it, but blue states are smarter in these data.

    “So Massachusetts differs from Mississippi by almost 4 sds.”

    No.

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  114. District of Columbia 108.0

    Will this bit backhand the “Hong Kong’s mean IQ is high, therefore the Chinese are gods” stupidity back over the railing and into the sea?

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  115. @Brutusale
    Poor Maine, the red-headed stepchild of New England. The hillbillies of New Hampshire are uplifted by the blow-ins from Massachusetts, as are the ones in Vermont by the New York interlopers. Maine gets elderly queens buying up its south coast.

    Poor Maine, the red-headed stepchild of New England. The hillbillies of New Hampshire are uplifted by the blow-ins from Massachusetts

    Think French Canadians…

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  116. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "We need to get away from this idea that smart people are automatically right about everything. Live a little, and you will find that smart people can be pretty dumb. And annoying."

    A high I.Q. doesn't always translate into wisdom. As you suggest, smart people can be functionally quite stupid, irrespective of their relative cognitive gifts.

    A high I.Q. doesn’t always translate into wisdom. As you suggest, smart people can be functionally quite stupid, irrespective of their relative cognitive gifts.

    Indeed. It’s the way to bet, though.

    Of course, it helps if you’re smart yourself. Sometimes it’s your only chance (i.e., don’t trust the “experts”).

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  117. Entries 5 through 34 cover a split of 102.4 to 100. going to 50 only gets us to 97.5.

    Just sayin’. Margin of error.

    This list is mostly interesting for not being too interesting, if you take my meaning.

    If Texas whites are so much smarter than Michigan whites

    Texas mean: 102.1
    Michigan mean 99.1.

    It’s three points.

    “The high income whites put their kids in private schools where they may not get tested.”

    This explanation also explains some of the difference in test scores in the Deep South, as well.

    I did a quick survey of the private schools in the Charleston area. Private schools average about 9k a year here, if you don’t count a couple of 18 & 20k outliers.

    Since IQ is your thing, maybe you should elaborate on this. I would think .4 SD on IQ (nearly 1/2 SD) is, in fact, a pretty large difference. The standard numbers around the racial gap in IQ is one SD between blacks and whites, and 1SD is, as far as we can tell, enough to induce completely different civilizations within the same country.

    IQ fetishism. IQ is simply the easiest to quantify, and probably the biggest factor. It’s far from the only one. There’s more to “black failure” than IQ, i.e., the rest of the behavioral genetic suite matters, too. Blacks have low conscientiousness, short time horizons, high impulsiveness, short attention spans, etc.

    Then there’s the idea of a threshold for advanced civilization, which complicates the picture. It’s one thing to be .4 or 1.1 standard deviations below some other population on an IQ chart. It’s quite another to simultaneously be below the threshold required to maintain a decent living standard.

    “…0.86 s.d. gap between Washington D.C. whites and nearby West Virginia whites is substantial, and may subtly color a lot of media discourse.” Again, I would think it would color more than that-it is nearly the same gap 1SD gap between races just mentioned, and would logically, again, induce pretty large differences in culture (which, without being an expert in either West Virginia or Washington D.C., seems possible).

    Sure, if you can get over the cherry-picking. D.C.s white mean is the result of packing smart, educated, ambitious whites into a single city. It doesn’t tell us anything about populations at the level that matters racially.

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  118. If you want to make big gap narrative, sure, the spread is 10 points.

    Trouble is, it really isn’t. It’s 5.

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  119. (I realize I’m using total population, all races included, so yes, breaking out by race would give us better info)

    Populations of the top 3 entries (I’m not going to dignify DC’s inclusion, for the purposes of discussion):

    New Jersey 8.93m
    Massachusetts 6.74m
    Maryland 5.9m

    Population of the bottom entry:

    West Virginia 1.85m

    Total population I’m excluding:

    23.42m

    Total population of the United States:

    319m

    So, for the 92% of America represented by entries 5 through 50, there’s a 5 point white gap. And one of those three top entries I’m excluding, Maryland, is simply a more attenuated DC effect. Leaving three interesting outliers to discuss: Massachusetts (complete NE brain drain), New Jersey, and West Virginia (a whole 1.85m people).

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  120. For 92% of the United States’ population, mean white IQ by state clusters within 2.5 points of 100. Yawn.

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  121. Massachusetts can hold her head high. Her mean white IQ is 2 points higher than the upper bounds of the spread representing the rest of white America. Huzzah.

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  122. @Anonymous
    Over the past decade the Texas prison system has been increasingly staffed with fresh off the boat African immigrants. Most of them can't communicate effectively in English. The agency also has a pretty good welfare office to guard tower pipeline. Trouble is brewing.

    Over the past decade the Texas prison system has been increasingly staffed with fresh off the boat African immigrants. Most of them can’t communicate effectively in English. The agency also has a pretty good welfare office to guard tower pipeline. Trouble is brewing.

    The efficient, effective, orderly, and safe Texas prison system that JQW talked about was dismantled by a busy-body federal judge about 30 years ago.

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  123. @anon
    As a white Californian who has known dozens of friends and family that have moved to Texas, the numbers on the map don't pass the smell test. Every one of them moved to Texas because they were failures in California, too dumb to hack it in an expensive state. Texas' population growth isn't driven by a handful of petroleum engineers in the one nice neighborhood in Houston, it's driven by the thousands of white families who every week move to its exurbs for cheap living.

    The huge difference between OK and TX isn't plausible. Then again, anecdotes aren't data.

    As a white Californian who has known dozens of friends and family that have moved to Texas, the numbers on the map don’t pass the smell test. Every one of them moved to Texas because they were failures in California, too dumb to hack it in an expensive state.

    That’s hilarious. As a long-time resident of Dallas, I know a grand total of one person who has moved here from California, and he has degrees from Cal Tech and two Ivy League schools.

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  124. @anon
    Re California:
    1. Public education really sucks here. You have to live here to know how bad it is. Middle school is a real cesspool since they stopped putting different ability kids into separate classes like they still do in high school.
    2. The smart whites with families have left in droves, replaced by younger tech nerds who have less kids. Result, more low IQ whites on a percentage basis in Cali.
    3. Who knows how many non-whites say they are white? White latinos anyone?
    4. The white immigrants have trouble with the language parts of the test.
    5. The high income whites put their kids in private schools where they may not get tested.

    This case is most likely all over the nation. I’m a ps teacher (8th grade), in Michigan, but send my elementary age kids to a Catholic school and my 7th grader to a college run academy. The Catholic school has more and more non-Catholics in attendance since our public schools stopped doing neighborhood elementary buildings and switched to grade level buildings. The higher IQ families who do keep their kids in the public MS and HS know that their kids can take Honors and AP classes to keep away from our Arabs, Mexicans, and white trash. Should be interesting to see what changes occur once our pork processing plant gets built and staffed.

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  125. @Bryan Pesta
    To the person who asked about lost teeth. They correlate -.67 with AE's IQ estimates. Obesity (BMI > 30) correlates -.58.

    To the person who said the range seemed narrow: The standard deviation here is not 15; it's 1.59.

    So Massachusetts differs from Mississippi by almost 4 sds. If scaled in IQ scores, this would be something like the former averaging 130 and the latter averaging 70.

    There's a guy who did these estimates not correcting for race. He decided not to use sds of 15 as the implication was that residents of some states are, on average, borderline mentally retarded. My point is the range here is anything but narrow...

    btw, no one seems willing to admit it, but blue states are smarter in these data.

    Do you have a reference for those correlation numbers so I can examine in more detail? (Thanks!)
    I can see how the missing teeth correlation might hold across some uniform populations (e.g. males entering the military, but even there it seems high given the current state of dentistry), but I would expect age to be a major confounder in a population which includes both the elderly and young.
    Sadly, the Eysenck reference I gave earlier did not (that I could find) include a citation of the original source.

    I think I understand where you get the 1.59 SD calculation, but I don’t think that is the relevant metric to express how different the people are between states. The two metrics that seem relevant are average phenotypic difference (which IMHO is well expressed using the SD of 15 as the earlier poster did) and frequency of given ranges (e.g. greater/less than an IQ threshold). I’d be interested in statistics for the latter, but I think it would be better to actually calculate them from the raw data rather than relying on a mean/SD normal approximation.

    P.S. For those trying to decide how big a difference in mean IQ matters, I think a good way to think about that is looking at country level IQs and comparing countries with a given difference:

    http://www.photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html

    By that criteria I don’t think the state differences above are that large except for the very extremes (Washington DC at 108.0 and WV at 95.1). The others all fall within [97.5, 104.4].

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    To Res:

    I have a database of 200+ state-level variables, and I was unfortunately sloppy coding the lost teeth variable. All I can tell you is it's the % of state residents-- age 65 or older-- who have lost all their teeth. It might be from the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (the obesity variable I reported above is definitely from the BRFSS, as linked below). If you send an email to bpesta22@cs.com, I'd email you the lost teeth values by state.

    I checked with someone who made other estimates of state IQ. The thinking is my interpretation of the range / SD is correct. Mass really is almost 4 SDs above Miss (note that in the NAEP data, MASS is significantly above the second highest state; N.J. If the 0.9 IQ point difference between these states is significant, imagine the effect size of Mass versus Miss...).

    I posted my reply to AE, though, since he's the guy who derived these estimates. Not sure I'm correct, but really interested in the answer.

    http://tinyurl.com/m8bgwwt
  126. @The Last Real Calvinist
    I'm another NW Iowa product, and am similarly mortified by our home state's indifferent ranking.

    I also grew up secretly suspecting that NW Iowa people were intellectually superior to the rest of the state, although ostensibly there should be little basis for this other than pure tribal prejudice. But then I look at the relative success Sioux County (especially) in comparison with the rest of rural Iowa, and I do wonder . . . . but nah, residual Protestant Ethic is a more parsimonious explanation.

    My guess for the MN/IA discrepancy is decades of IA talent (including quite a few of my bright peers) siphoned off by the twin cities. I think that's slowed, or perhaps even reversed, in more recent years, with several IA cities now doing very well, but there may be long-term effects that have yet to be mitigated.

    Wow, you sound really smart to me.

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  127. @res
    Do you have a reference for those correlation numbers so I can examine in more detail? (Thanks!)
    I can see how the missing teeth correlation might hold across some uniform populations (e.g. males entering the military, but even there it seems high given the current state of dentistry), but I would expect age to be a major confounder in a population which includes both the elderly and young.
    Sadly, the Eysenck reference I gave earlier did not (that I could find) include a citation of the original source.

    I think I understand where you get the 1.59 SD calculation, but I don't think that is the relevant metric to express how different the people are between states. The two metrics that seem relevant are average phenotypic difference (which IMHO is well expressed using the SD of 15 as the earlier poster did) and frequency of given ranges (e.g. greater/less than an IQ threshold). I'd be interested in statistics for the latter, but I think it would be better to actually calculate them from the raw data rather than relying on a mean/SD normal approximation.

    P.S. For those trying to decide how big a difference in mean IQ matters, I think a good way to think about that is looking at country level IQs and comparing countries with a given difference:
    http://www.photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html
    By that criteria I don't think the state differences above are that large except for the very extremes (Washington DC at 108.0 and WV at 95.1). The others all fall within [97.5, 104.4].

    To Res:

    I have a database of 200+ state-level variables, and I was unfortunately sloppy coding the lost teeth variable. All I can tell you is it’s the % of state residents– age 65 or older– who have lost all their teeth. It might be from the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (the obesity variable I reported above is definitely from the BRFSS, as linked below). If you send an email to bpesta22@cs.com, I’d email you the lost teeth values by state.

    I checked with someone who made other estimates of state IQ. The thinking is my interpretation of the range / SD is correct. Mass really is almost 4 SDs above Miss (note that in the NAEP data, MASS is significantly above the second highest state; N.J. If the 0.9 IQ point difference between these states is significant, imagine the effect size of Mass versus Miss…).

    I posted my reply to AE, though, since he’s the guy who derived these estimates. Not sure I’m correct, but really interested in the answer.

    http://tinyurl.com/m8bgwwt

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