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A giant story in The Atlantic:

The Economist Who Would Fix the American Dream

No one has done more to dispel the myth of social mobility than Raj Chetty. But he has a plan to make equality of opportunity a reality.

GARETH COOK AUGUST 2019 ISSUE BUSINESS

Updated at 3:47 p.m. ET on July 17, 2019.

Raj Chetty got his biggest break before his life began.

To be precise, Dr. Chetty appears to have gotten his biggest break nine months before he was born:

His mother, Anbu, grew up in Tamil Nadu, a tropical state at the southern tip of the Indian subcontinent. Anbu showed the greatest academic potential of her five siblings … In 1962, Anbu married Veerappa Chetty, a brilliant man from Tamil Nadu whose mother and grandmother had sometimes eaten less food so there would be more for him. Anbu became a doctor and supported her husband while he earned a doctorate in economics. By 1979, when Raj was born in New Delhi, his mother was a pediatrics professor and his father was an economics professor who had served as an adviser to Prime Minister Indira Gandhi.

It’s almost as if Raj Chetty had been eugenically bred to be smart and successful. But of course that’s a pseudoscience, so he turned out dumb and unsuccessful:

When Chetty was 9, his family moved to the United States, and he began a climb nearly as dramatic as that of his parents. He was the valedictorian of his high-school class, then graduated in just three years from Harvard University, where he went on to earn a doctorate in economics and, at age 28, was among the youngest faculty members in the university’s history to be offered tenure. In 2012, he was awarded the MacArthur genius grant. The following year, he was given the John Bates Clark Medal, awarded to the most promising economist under 40. (He was 33 at the time.) In 2015, Stanford University hired him away. Last summer, Harvard lured him back to launch his own research and policy institute, with funding from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative.

Oh, wait … Sorry, I was mistaken in where this article was heading. I guess it turned out that with all that high IQ genetic tailwind at his back, Raj Chetty came out okay. Who could have guessed?

In 2013, Chetty released a colorful map of the United States, showing the surprising degree to which people’s financial prospects depend on where they happen to grow up.

In Salt Lake City, a person born to a family in the bottom fifth of household income had a 10.8 percent chance of reaching the top fifth. In Milwaukee, the odds were less than half that.

As I pointed out in 2013, Chetty had basically, at vast labor, created a map of where blacks and American Indians lived. Why? Because blacks and Native Americans regress toward lower income means than other non-immigrant Americans.

Since then, each of his studies has become a front-page media event (“Chetty bombs,” one collaborator calls them) that combines awe—millions of data points, vivid infographics, a countrywide lens—with shock. This may not be the America you’d like to imagine, the statistics testify, but it’s what we’ve allowed America to become. …

Now he wants to do more than change our understanding of America—he wants to change America itself.

Uhm … Maybe you should ask American first if they want you to change America?

His new Harvard-based institute, called Opportunity Insights, is explicitly aimed at applying his findings in cities around the country and demonstrating that social scientists, despite a discouraging track record, are able to fix the problems they articulate in journals.

… If a phenomenon like upward mobility can be measured with enough precision, then it can be understood; if it can be understood, then it can be manipulated. “The big-picture goal,” Chetty told me, “is to revive the American dream.”

Well, whaddaya know, it turns out that Dr. Chetty has a whole bunch of cousins, not all of whom are here yet:

… The first time I’d met him, at an economics conference, he had told me he was one of several cousins on his mother’s side who go by Raj, all named after their grandfather, Nadarajan, all with sharp minds and the same long legs and easy gait.

Must be the Magic Dirt in their neighborhoods!

Yet of Nadarajan’s children, only Chetty’s mother graduated from college, and he’s certain that this fact shaped his generation’s possibilities. He was able to come to the United States as a child and attend an elite private school, the University School of Milwaukee. New York Raj—the family appends a location to keep them straight—came to the U.S. later in life, at age 28, worked in drugstores, and then took a series of jobs with the City of New York. Singapore Raj found a job in a temple there that allows him to support his family back in India, but means they must live apart. Karaikudi Raj, named for the town where his mother grew up, committed suicide as a teenager. ..

… “I would likely not be here,” he said, thinking for a moment. “To put it another way: Who are all the people who are not here, who would have been here if they’d had the opportunities? That is a really good question.”

Such as … your cousins?

Charlotte is one of America’s great urban success stories. In the 1970s, it was a modest-size city left behind as the textile industry that had defined North Carolina moved overseas. But in the 1980s, the “Queen City” began to lift itself up. US Airways established a hub at the Charlotte Douglas International Airport, and the region became a major transportation and distribution center. Bank of America built its headquarters there, and today Charlotte is in a dead heat with San Francisco to be the nation’s second-largest banking center, after New York. New skyscrapers have sprouted downtown, and the city boundary has been expanding, replacing farmland with spacious homes and Whole Foods stores. In the past four decades, Charlotte’s population has nearly tripled.

And then Charlotte got absolutely hammered in 2008. Some of the industries that were quite big in North Carolina before 2008 were home construction, retail banking, mortgage lending, furniture, hardwood lumber, and golf course construction. Then …

Last I checked, Chetty’s base period was 1996-2000, when North Carolina was booming and his post period was 2011-12. Not surprisingly, people who were kids in the Charlotte metro area in the late 1990s weren’t doing that well on average as young adults in 2011-12.

Charlotte has also stood out in Chetty’s research, though not in a good way. In a 2014 analysis of the country’s 50 largest metropolitan areas, Charlotte ranked last in ability to lift up poor children. Only 4.4 percent of Charlotte’s kids moved from the bottom quintile of household income to the top. Kids born into low-income families earned just $26,000 a year, on average, as adults—perched on the poverty line. “It was shocking,” says Brian Collier, an executive vice president of the Foundation for the Carolinas, which is working with Opportunity Insights. “The Charlotte story is that we are a meritocracy, that if you come here and are smart and motivated, you will have every opportunity to achieve greatness.”

But a lot of people who are born in Charlotte aren’t smart and aren’t motivated, even more so than in Chetty’s favorite metro Salt Lake City.

The city’s true story, Chetty’s data showed, is of selective opportunity: All the data-scientist and business-development-analyst jobs in the thriving banking sector are a boon for out-of-towners and the progeny of the well-to-do, but to grow up poor in Charlotte is largely to remain poor.

… In October, Chetty’s institute released an interactive map of the United States called the Opportunity Atlas, revealing the terrain of opportunity down to the level of individual neighborhoods. This, he says, will be his microscope.

… blue for spots like Salt Lake City’s Foothill neighborhood, where upward mobility is strongest.

Raj Chetty has found the motherlode of Magic Dirt!

I had never heard of that neighborhood before so I Googled it. From USA Today:

The Foothill district of Salt Lake City is largely a residential one. Filled with expensive homes and winding lanes, this is one of the valley’s ritzier neighborhoods.

And from a real estate website:

Foothill
This small, primarily owner-occupied residential area offers windy lanes and beautiful homes. Houses range from the upper mid-range to extravagant in this attractive area at the base of the Wasatch Range. Most of the homes in this area offer plenty of space, fantastic views, privacy, and the area has the lowest crime rate in the city. It is primarily a car-oriented community with about a fifteen-minute commute to the city center, but you can grab the Salt Lake City Central Station train and arrive downtown in about forty-five minutes. This affluent neighborhood has easy access to elementary, middle, and high schools, so it’s a great place to raise a family. … The Foothill neighborhood suits people who want a safe community, and a substantial, stylish home and a good view.

So, Chetty’s breakthrough is that … the children of affluent Mormons tend to do pretty well in life!

Back to The Atlantic:

The Great Plains unfurl as a sea of blue, and then the eye is caught by an island of red—a mark of the miseries inflicted on the Oglala Lakota by European settlers. These stark differences recapitulate themselves on smaller and smaller scales as you zoom in. It’s common to see opposite extremes of opportunity within easy walking distance of each other, even in two neighborhoods that long-term residents would consider quite similar.

Personally, I don’t see interesting idiosyncrasies in Chetty’s latest map when I look at places I know well. For example, Chetty’s go-to example in 2018 was that Compton south of Los Angeles is a great place for blacks to grow up. (You’ve been lied to by your NWA albums!) I don’t much see it on his own map, though. By this point, I would imagine, a sizable fraction of the blacks still living in rapidly Hispanicizing Compton are Compton city employees, such as the mayor, who pay themselves quite nicely, but I’m not sure what vast lesson about Magic Dirt to draw from that.

When I look at Chetty’s maps for the San Fernando Valley, where I live, yeah it’s basically a map of census tracts that are mostly nice single family homes versus census tracts that are more dumpy apartments. I don’t see anything amazing.

To find a cure for what ails America, Chetty will need to understand all of this wild variation. Which factors foster opportunity, and which impede it? The next step will be to find local interventions that can address these factors—and to prove, with experimental trials, that the interventions work. The end goal is the social equivalent of precision medicine: a method for diagnosing the particular weaknesses of a place and prescribing a set of treatments. This could transform neighborhoods, and restore the American dream from the ground up.

I sure hope this works, because I seem to be just about the only analyst in the country who is systemically critiquing Chetty’s claims. The really influential people like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg just seem to be inclined to hope Chetty knows what he’s doing because nobody seems to want to hear any skeptical analysis of his arguments.

… Yet in Charlotte, where Opportunity Insights hopes to build its proof of concept, the atlas reveals swaths of bleak uniformity. Looking at the city, you first see a large bluish wedge south of downtown, with Providence Road on one side and South Boulevard on the other, encompassing the mostly white, mostly affluent areas where children generally grow up to do well. Surrounding the wedge is a broad expanse in hues of red that locals call “the crescent,” made up of predominantly black neighborhoods where the prospects for poor children are pretty miserable.

Clearly, they live atop Tragic Dirt.

The most significant challenge Chetty faces is the force of history.

But not the force of evolution.

In the 1930s, redlining …

I was waiting for “redlining” to appear.

… Does a professor from Harvard, even one as influential and well funded as Chetty, truly stand any chance of bending the American story line?

Chetty is sounding ever more megalomaniacal.

On his national atlas, the most obvious feature is an ugly red gash that starts in Virginia, curls down through the Southeast’s coastal states—North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama—then marches west toward the Mississippi River, where it turns northward before petering out in western Tennessee. When I saw this, I was reminded of another map: one President Abraham Lincoln consulted in 1861, demarcating the counties with the most slaves. The two maps are remarkably similar.

As are maps of where blacks live today.

In 2003, after earning his doctorate, Chetty moved to UC Berkeley for his first job. He was, at the time, the only person in his immediate family—his parents and two older sisters, both biomedical researchers—who had not published a paper.

This author is just trolling his readers by repeatedly mentioning the Chetty family’s high IQ genes, seeing if anybody will ever notice.

Both of Chetty’s parents descend from the Chettiar caste, a mercantile group historically involved in banking, and the kids were raised to carry on their cultural heritage. They learned Tamil in addition to Hindi. Chetty’s sisters married men with Chettiar backgrounds. Chetty rejects the caste system, though he first met his wife, Sundari, after one of his sisters got to know her through the Chettiar community. (Sundari is a stem-cell biologist.)

Chetty rejects the caste system, but happens to have married a stem-cell biologist from the same caste.

… Opportunity is not the same as affluence. Consider a kid who grows up in a household earning about $27,000 annually, right at the 25th percentile nationally. In Beverly Woods, a relatively wealthy, mostly white enclave in South Charlotte with spacious, well-kept yards, he could expect his household income to be $42,900 by age 35. Yet in Huntersville, an attractive northern suburb with nearly the same average household income as Beverly Woods, a similar kid could expect only $24,800—a stark difference, invisible to a passing driver.

It’s kind of baked in to home prices: Zillow says the median home price in Beverly Woods is $462k to $307k for Huntersville.

This dynamic also functions in poorer areas. For a child in Reid Park, an African American neighborhood on the west side of Charlotte, near the airport—a place that has struggled to recover from a crime epidemic in the 1980s—the expected household income at age 35 is a dismal $17,800, on average. But in East Forest, a white, working-class neighborhood in southeast Charlotte, the expected future income jumps to $32,600.

Uh, I think you answered your own question there.

Zillow says the median home price in East Forest is $223k, while in Reid Park it is, and I quote, “none.”

There are places like East Forest in cities around the country.

Uh … working classes neighborhoods that have managed to stay white?

Chetty and his team have taken to calling them “opportunity bargains”: places with relatively affordable rents that punch above their weight with respect to opportunity. He doesn’t yet know why some places are opportunity bargains

Cuz they are white?

, but he considers the discovery of these neighborhoods to be a breakthrough. John Friedman told me that if the government had been able to move families to opportunity-bargain neighborhoods in the original Moving to Opportunity experiment—places selected for higher opportunity, not lower poverty—the children’s earnings improvements would have been more than twice as great.

Okay, so here’s The Plan: let’s use the power of Big Data to hunt down the last white working class neighborhoods in urban America, then move blacks from the Tragic Dirt of inner city slums to the Magic Dirt of white working class neighborhoods.

Then, in the natural course of events, upper middle whites can gentrify the former black slums in convenient locations and make a bundle! It’s a Win-Win proposition (well, except for the white working classes).

Basically, Chetty has come up with amazingly great data, little of which says much that America’s Great and Good want to hear.

 
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  1. Lot says:

    Reid Park doesn’t currently have any houses for sale listed on Zillow, however the average of past sales is about $120,000.

    “Low income” people in rich neighborhoods usually have off the books income or subsidies from their parents they do not report as income. Or they inherited a house in the high income area. Or retired early and do not have a lot of reported income, but could have early Roth IRA distributions, physical cash part time businesses, etc.

    Chetty’s IRS data’s “surprising” findings seem to center around gaps in IRS data.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    I was thinking something along those lines. People who are asset rich but report low incomes. It’s pretty glaring. How many children actually grow up in such circumstances to measure their mobility, kids in $500k homes with parents making $25k?
  2. Then, in the natural course of events, upper middle whites can gentrify the former black slums in convenient locations and make a bundle!

    I’m trying to think of examples where this has happened. A couple of neighborhoods in Brooklyn, maybe. San Francisco possibly. But as someone who lives verrry close to Sec. 8 towers built in the 1950s and now home to many blacks, it ain’t easy to get them to move. Their default stance in life is to stay put because they know they’ve got a great deal. They’re fine with occasional gunfire and bad schools. They’re not interested in Chetty’s stats or in promises of greater mobility.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    They don’t do it directly.

    Blacks drive out the prole whites.

    Chicanos drive out the blacks.

    Gays drive out the chicanos.

    Yuppies drive out the gays.

    It can only be done more directly with Shomrim.
  3. Basic idea, RE NYC-if you live in largely white, high income Park Slope or the Upper West Side, you will be more likely to have a higher income. If however you live in mostly black central Brooklyn or Harlem, or PR/Dominican Bronx or Washington Heights, sucks to be you. This is cutting edge economics? But good news, black and brown people; the goodwhites are already pushing you out of Williamsburgh and en route to d the same to Bed Stuy!

    • Replies: @anonymous

    But good news, black and brown people; the goodwhites are already pushing you out of Williamsburgh and en route to d the same to Bed Stuy!
     
    This comment was time capsuled from 2009.
    , @map
    Yes, this is cutting-edge economics brought to by ambitious foreigners from third-world countries. It's like the great Indian electrical engineer who invented the USB port.
  4. Fascinating. Some researchers start with a destination and try to get their data to fit. Others analyze their data and see where it leads them. Jonathan Haidt is an example of the second type. The first type are either dishonest, poltical hacks, or IYI (intellectual yet idiots).

    Chetty is definitely of the first group and he doesn’t seem to be a political hack or dishonest, so I guess he, in spite of his genes, is a IYI.

    • Agree: GermanReader2, Alfred
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Or maybe he'd like to keep his job?
    , @AnotherDad

    Fascinating. Some researchers start with a destination and try to get their data to fit. Others analyze their data and see where it leads them. Jonathan Haidt is an example of the second type. The first type are either dishonest, poltical hacks, or IYI (intellectual yet idiots).

    Chetty is definitely of the first group and he doesn’t seem to be a political hack or dishonest, so I guess he, in spite of his genes, is a IYI.
     
    I think a couple of things dovetail here:

    -- The personality profile of a lot of smart Indians is very much "the spelling bee" profile--liking the mastery of detail and very conformist, doing what's expected. Diligent crank turning.

    -- As immigrants Chetty's family wasn't as aware of racial realities in the US--though they certainly would have been very aware of similar caste realities in India--and as a result Chetty's understanding of the US would have been entirely the received "wisdom" of Jewish/good-white academia.

    The result seems to be that Chetty took up this "social mobility" and "opportunity" task and diligently beavered away with the data, utterly unaware that he was simply going to unearth essential racial (HBD) patterns of US geography.

    When Sailer points out to Chetty that all he's done is pull out these racial patterns, HBD and this simply concept of regression to the mean--which Chetty certainly understands--then he is stuck.
    Chetty can't very well say "hey, the races have different profiles of the traits--intelligence, conscientiousness, cooperation, etc.--that lead to success in a modern economy and regression to their respective means basically explains what we see in terms of social mobility". That's career ending. So Chetty is diligently working to come up with something. And that, of course, is racial denialism--magic dirt. "If only those blacks with working class parents were three miles over in the working class white neighborhood, they'd have 'opportunity'. Alas ... racism."

    In truth, what Chetty's data mostly reveals is that fundamental truth about America--it's nice it is white. More specifically because it's a big continental nation with it's heartland is full of a lot of reasonable competent white gentiles. So even with the post-War drain of talented white genes to the big coastal metros, there is still a lot of white talent out in flyover America.

    And the reasonable policy prescription from Chetty's data would be mostly the reverse of what's he's going to suggest. It would be "don't mess with it". Or more specifically, "segregation". Let white communities preserve themselves. In particular, if you want social mobility do *not* "diversify" intact white working-middle class communities. Those are the places, where you can still find some talent that can move up the ladder. And this applies to blacks as well. The best thing for black mobility is to be able to have black middle and working class communities that aren't subjected to enroaching ghetto blacks--propagating their dysfunction to functional blacks' kids. And i think it's better for the smart--or even just average--middle class black kids to be with other middle class blacks where the smarties can be smarties and the average can be average rather than being surrounded by smarter whites where the smarties will be so-so and the average will be bad students and they'll be a onus against academic achievement as "acting white".

    Basically, once you actually engage with any data--or history, or psychology--is that people do best in--and improving--their own culture. Nationalism writ small as well as large.
    , @SaneClownPosse
    Economics is a pseudoscience like all social "science".

    Absent the magic of statistics to give an appearance of scientific method, they are just making it up to fit a narrative.

    The fact is a few, intertwined families hold most of the world's wealth. World trade can have a major downturn and they still hold that wealth. They do not depend on paychecks nor dividends. They hold Trillions in real assets. Think about it. 2% annual interest on two trillion USD is one Million times the interest on two million dollars.

    Economists are jugglers and clowns who provide entertainment while the pickpockets work the crowd.

    The Federal Reserve employs economists, some with faulty models.
  5. To find a cure for what ails America, Chetty will need to understand all of this wild variation. Which factors foster opportunity, and which impede it?

    But Chetty’s average IQ 81 co-ethnics in India have already figured it out. It’s the skin color, stupid! The lighter the skin color, the better the opportunities they get. Which is why they’ve already come up with thousands of skin lightening solutions in India, from Fair & Lovely Cream to “Gluthatione injection” to plastic surgery:

    Look at Michael Jackson, no one paid any attention to him until he turned himself into a white girl.

    Once they’ve lightened their skin, the next step is to join the current power group. Lloyd Blankfein, former CEO of Goldman Sachs, grew up in poverty to a father who was a clerk at a post office and a mother who was a receptionist. He went to Thomas Jefferson HS in NYC and on to Harvard. His secret? Being born Jewish.

    If one is not lucky enough to be born Jewish, fret not, one can convert! Just call up any rabbi and join up, change one’s name to Ben Klein or Gary Rosenthal, profess one’s undying love for Israel, et voila! One is on one’s way to becoming the next billionaire.

    • LOL: Parfois1
    • Replies: @Anon
    That guys looks freakishly hideous. In comparison to him, even Michael Jackson looked normal.

    Disgusting.

    Also, has has weird man boobs. Steroids?

    Hair is decent though.
    , @Hypnotoad666
    It would be funny if Chetty's search for Magic Dirt got down to a house-by-house level.

    He would then discover that the secret to having more taxable income than your parents is to be born in a house with smart parents that don't declare a lot of income (maybe they're professors, or failed entrepreneurs, or just tax cheats).

    If these houses could be identified and reassigned to blacks and native Americans, surely their upward mobility would skyrocket.
    , @Charon
    Couldn't watch the video of that Indian guy because he sounds just like everybody else crowding into this country lately. But what's with his hair? Did he stick his finger into an electrical outlet or something?
    , @Alden
    US Post Office employees are not poor. All the USPO jobs are decently paid. And if his mother worked as well, even in a private sector low paid clerical job, it was solid working class prosperity.
    Plus, post office is a secure lifetime job. They’re not on 3 year contracts. No periods of unemployment. The Post Office can’t be relocated to China.

    In today’s money, post office father probably made about 40K, mother about 25K hardly poverty. Also note that 40 years ago when Blankfein grew up, housing prices in many areas of NYC were reasonable.

    Blankfein’s an extreme example of upward mobility, but plenty of White Asian Hispanic post office employees children have done well. The thing that holds post office workers children down as a group is not the fact that the parents were moderately paid post office workers

    What holds them down is the fact that the post office especially in the big cities hires mostly blacks. As a group, blacks upward mobility is an affirmative action government or quasi government job thing. If their kids don’t get on the government affirmative action bus, they fall.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    What is "wheatish", by the way? The Indian sperm banks push that trait.
  6. I suppose it’s all really no worse than if Chetty had spent his life calculating the average life expectancy of Lord Shiva’s imaginary elephants. Hopefully no one is so foolish as to actually believe any of it, though.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “Imaginary”????

    Beware Mr. Colin sir of the fury of Ganesh who you insult and offend.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4GgJxivEwc0/VYjtJbhogjI/AAAAAAAAJao/kcgotF0KZgU/s1600/angry-ganesh-look-photos.jpg
  7. This dynamic also functions in poorer areas. For a child in Reid Park, an African American neighborhood on the west side of Charlotte, near the airport—a place that has struggled to recover from a crime epidemic in the 1980s—the expected household income at age 35 is a dismal $17,800, on average.

    That “a place that has struggled to recover from a crime epidemic in the 1980s” is pretty priceless. I guess a crime epidemic must be something like an influenza epidemic, one is infected by inhaling viral aerosols. How,I wonder, do the infectious agents know to stop at the border of Reid Park? Tragic dirt indeed!

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    —a place that has struggled to recover from a crime epidemic in the 1980s—

    Yeah, that stopped me dead in my tracks too. Release the squid ink and move on!
  8. “I’m the sleep all night, drug test passing wolf, who looks so normal inside/ I’m a white man in East Forest!
    And I’m not stoned, and have a job/ I don’t get stoned and have a job”- no apologies to Joe Strummer.
    So when does The Atlantic have a cover story on how Sub Saharan Africans really are different from everyone else?

  9. In 2013, Chetty released a colorful map of the United States, showing the surprising degree to which people’s financial prospects depend on where they happen to grow up.

    That’s a map of the Black Belt. And what does the “Black” in “Black Belt” refer to?

    Why, the real magic dirt!

    https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/92321/black-belt-prairie

    https://www.al.com/news/2017/08/what_is_the_black_belt_and_why.html

  10. In 1962, Anbu married Veerappa Chetty, a brilliant man from Tamil Nadu whose mother and grandmother had sometimes eaten less food so there would be more for him.

    Veerappa Chetty =

    Ever tetchy papa.
    Have carpet type.

  11. Sadly, the American Founders, Adam Smith,, and most of our great-grandparents knew how to create a society that allowed people to get ahead:

    1) Reward people for producing goods and service that other people want to buy with their own money, rather then rewarding people for earning credentials, pushing paper, and manipulating words.

    2) Have the government get out of the way of people who do follow strategy 1.

    3) Put people who physically harm other people or other people’s property in jail for a very long time.

    4) Celebrate a culture that encourages people to take responsibility for themselves and their families by following strategies 1, 2, and 3.

    Bonus point: Foreign adventures, wars, and militarism really do not tend to help a society embrace strategies 1 through 4.

    It’s all really quite simple and fairly obvious to people of normal intelligence whose goal is for ordinary people to have good lives.

    Of course, if your goal is to exercise power over your fellow citizens, treat your fellow human beings with contempt, and achieve personal or national “glory” by engaging in destructive or murderous activities, then you would sort of want to follow the opposite strategy.

    Like most of the ruling elites in human history.

    • Replies: @Jesse
    Oh, puh-leeze. Not more of thus trucon bullshit. You create a good society by, one way or the other, selecting for a decent population. Unless you think that Adam Smith's philosophy is all that's needed to stop, say, Somalia from being a hellhole? Swedes, unless they stupidly Invite The World, do well under both social democracy *and* a more classically liberal model.
    , @OEMIKITLOB
    The only other point I would add to this list is that early America had no central-banking system or unsound money (paper!) backed only by a government lick and a promise.

    The existence of both of these has contributed extensively to virtually destroying the average American.
    , @cassandra

    Have the government get out of the way of people who do follow strategy 1.
     
    Just wondering whether actions like Washington's suppression of the Whiskey Rebellion helped or hurt the program...
  12. Anon[330] • Disclaimer says:

    Doing the sort of drill-down, vertical sanity check on big data conclusions is not something that Steve invented. This is standard quality control on database-centered studies and is also a standard way to find further avenues of research to pursue. I’m really surprised that Chetty’s group isn’t doing this themselves, especially since it seems to be made up of a bunch of bright, young, white researchers. An enterprising reporter might want to cosy up to one or two younger members of his group, maybe over some alcohol.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    A reporter should inspire Chetty's team and change the course of research by cozying up (...) maybe with the help of some alcohol? - Sounds more like the script for a funny movie, but of course, you never know...
  13. I wonder if he has an agent – the Harvard vs Stanford endowment must be intoxicating.

  14. What is the racial/ethnic mix of Chetty’s neighborhood and his kids’ schools?

    “Chetty rejects the caste system” yet his whole family is built on it lol

    Would be funny to see Chetty turn his data guns on India. Why are some ppl more successful than others there? Is it magic dirt, or caste?

    Move the dalits into brahmin neighborhoods and race mix them! Everyone will be a data scientist then.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
    • Replies: @Not Raul
    In India, Brahmin have their own Shomrim to keep the Dalitzis out.
    , @HammerJack

    Chetty rejects the caste system, though...
     
    Though like all people from India, he only rejects it when white people are watching.
    , @tyrone
    Is it magic dirt? caste? or mobs of men with sticks and knives?……yes, yes, yes.
    , @Tired of Not Knowing
    If he really rejects his caste, he wouldn't even know what caste he is, much less marry one in the same caste.

    Liberal hypocrisy is redundant.
    , @BengaliCanadianDude
    A lot of Indians vocally tend to reject the principles of the caste system, but they display private appreciation when they are around close friends, and they tend to exhibit a strong disdain for many of the low caste groups that they are "superior" to. I know of these attitudes because of my own experiences, and because of the recounts I heard from the many friends of my mother. Their support for this social ladder is inward, not outward. Gandhi, one of the most famous "egalitarians" himself was an avowed casteist, who rejected those same tenets in English publications that were read by the well-educated elite and the foreigners, but expressed continued support for the casteist mentality in Gujarati publications, or in private documents. This is why he had a falling out with Ambedkar, who despised the system because of the adversities he encountered frequently because was born as an "untouchable" (Dalit). He made many speeches on this, and he eschewed a lot of support for other religions, namely Buddhism even converting to it himself. Also, it has also occured to me that this is not a Hindu exclusive phenomena, as this casteist mentality is also quite pervasive within Christianity, Sikhism, and even Islam. I've heard plenty of tales of many Islamic leaders espousing these views of racial segregation, and how it may have been justified by scriptures by the disciples of Mohammad or whatever, and I've seen the same happening for Christianity, which professes itself on being equal, and a sort of brotherhood. My own mother herself conveyed many of the behaviours I speak of too, even though my parents were both Muslims
  15. Who are all the people who are not here, who would have been here if they’d had the opportunities? That is a really good question.

    Translation: We need more of my cousins in the USA to fulfill their potential.

    • Replies: @bomag

    Who are all the people who are not here, who would have been here if they’d had the opportunities? That is a really good question.
     
    What a grating question. Chetty acts like he is drilling for oil; the oil of good neighborhoods; and when he finds it, he invites his friends and family to come by with their tanker trucks and load up the stuff.

    Ever since the days of old
    Men have searched for wealth untold
    They dug for silver, and for gold
    And left the empty holes


    Maybe the people "not here" are the people of current residents who are yet to be born.
  16. “On his national atlas, the most obvious feature is an ugly red gash that starts in Virginia, curls down through the Southeast’s coastal states—North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama—then marches west toward the Mississippi River, where it turns northward before petering out in western Tennessee. When I saw this, I was reminded of another map: one President Abraham Lincoln consulted in 1861, demarcating the counties with the most slaves. The two maps are remarkably similar.

    Wow. Talk about ThoughtCrime. Chetty has just confirmed that importing vast numbers of Blacks to Anglo-America was a terrible idea.

    • Replies: @Forbes

    I was reminded of another map: one President Abraham Lincoln consulted in 1861, demarcating the counties with the most slaves. The two maps are remarkably similar. ”
     
    Does such a map exist? An 1861 map of counties with the most slaves? Why, for what purpose, does Lincoln need to consult such a map? Is this an apocryphal myth, or was I asleep in class that day?
  17. Economics is a field of study that, like psychology, pretends to have some knowledge about the subject it examines but really doesn’t. Economists tend to be better at math but their models and formulas do not work. Both fields suffer from a variation of the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle in that the data collected has changed or become obsolete by the time the observer attempts to draw conclusions from it.

    For example San Francisco was once a prosperous but fairly typical US city with a mix of industry, commerce and banking. It lost its ‘industrial sector’ in the 1960’s and blue collar workers had to move elsewhere. Then the Finance, Insurance and Real Estate workers became dominant in the 1970’s and 80’s. Bank of America, TransAmerica and Wells Fargo had the biggest shiniest skyscrapers downtown and negroes were forced out of the Fillmore and their other enclaves without big public housing projects. Since then the ‘tech’ sector has become dominant and the former FIRE workers have been displaced to the outer suburbs. The point is measuring the incomes of people who live in San Francisco would show a steady increase over the past 50 years but you aren’t measuring the same people just the people in the same zip codes.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    Now I'm confused.

    Since then the ‘tech’ sector has become dominant and the former FIRE workers have been displaced to the outer suburbs. The point is measuring the incomes of people who live in San Francisco would show a steady increase over the past 50 years but you aren’t measuring the same people just the people in the same zip codes.
     
    So are the zip codes the actual Magic Dirt which just make any squatter richer and richer? Then It evicts them when It regards them as being quite rich enough, thankyou. And newer, worthier people are installed.

    Or do Rich People actually produce Magic Dirt? Possibly in the form of manure, thus imparting longlasting, heritable fortune to the local drift geology?
  18. Chetty’s mass effort data crunch for pockets of reduced upward mobility simply revealing where Blacks live reminds me of an anecdote from Colin Powell’s autobiography.

    When Powell served in Vietnam there was an army intelligence group that collected and crunched data. Their objective was to uncover patterns that would help them anticipate enemy actions.

    After months of data collection and mainframe crunching the group announced their findings with great fanfare — probability of enemy action increased with the light of the moon! Full moon evenings had the highest probability of enemy attacks.

    Powell scoffed that anyone who spent a few weeks in the field knew that already. He writes that the experience caused him to view “experts” with a jaundiced eye.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Reminds me of when the San Francisco cable car system need extensive repairs and modernization. The city paid the equivalent of 280 million in today’s money to some consultants to work up a plan.

    The consultants just talked to the high school grad mechanics drivers and maintenance men. They told the consultants exactly what needed fixing and suggested solutions. Cable car management and workers had identified what needed fixing and been pushing for the repairs for years.

    The consultants report was just a plagiarism of the workers and managers advice. It was a big scandal at the time. It was Dianne Feinstein who pushed through the contract with the consultants. Other supervisors wanted cable car managers tasked with identifying problems and solutions; the cable car management who’d been asking for money to fix the system for years.

    Feinstein was married to a poor struggling physician at the time. Had to supplement her income by taking bribes from the consultants

    Q. What does a consultant do?
    A. Borrows your watch to tell you what time it is.

    Oldie but goodie.
  19. Where I grew up, there were literally dozens of Indian immigrants. Mostly medical professionals, but a few academics at the local U., and some others. They’d get together on weekends to play cricket at one of the high school’s practice fields, and it looked all so quaint. Now that I know what I know about them, well, I’ll channel a phrase from pre-president D. Trump “Look, mother f#$#$ers!” Seriously, this shit is not going to end well.

  20. Steve Sailer : Raj Chetty :: Howard Roark : Peter Keating

  21. The denial of intelligence as a heritable trait is destroying western civilization.

    • Replies: @megabar
    Spot on. It is the root of all of our misery.

    But it's funny. Consider this chain of conversation:
    a) Individuals vary in IQ, at least partly from genetics.
    b) IQ is a causative, predictive trait for income
    c) Therefore, poor people, as a group, have lower IQs than rich people.

    You can say (a) and (b) in public, and reasonable people of all political persuasions will generally nod. But if you say (c), which directly flows from (a) and (b), you will hear gasping and shrieking.
  22. @Tired of Not Winning

    To find a cure for what ails America, Chetty will need to understand all of this wild variation. Which factors foster opportunity, and which impede it?
     
    But Chetty's average IQ 81 co-ethnics in India have already figured it out. It's the skin color, stupid! The lighter the skin color, the better the opportunities they get. Which is why they've already come up with thousands of skin lightening solutions in India, from Fair & Lovely Cream to "Gluthatione injection" to plastic surgery:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-pyexaKL6A

    Look at Michael Jackson, no one paid any attention to him until he turned himself into a white girl.

    Once they've lightened their skin, the next step is to join the current power group. Lloyd Blankfein, former CEO of Goldman Sachs, grew up in poverty to a father who was a clerk at a post office and a mother who was a receptionist. He went to Thomas Jefferson HS in NYC and on to Harvard. His secret? Being born Jewish.

    If one is not lucky enough to be born Jewish, fret not, one can convert! Just call up any rabbi and join up, change one's name to Ben Klein or Gary Rosenthal, profess one's undying love for Israel, et voila! One is on one's way to becoming the next billionaire.

    That guys looks freakishly hideous. In comparison to him, even Michael Jackson looked normal.

    Disgusting.

    Also, has has weird man boobs. Steroids?

    Hair is decent though.

  23. “his mother was a pediatrics professor and his father was an economics professor who had served as an advisor to a prime minister”

    So, having achieved the Indian Dream, these poor but determined hopefuls were left with no choice but to… move to America!

    I think we should designate Chetty’s position at Harvard as an “opportunity bargain” and give it to some poor but determined hopefuls from a low-opportunity sector, so that DeShauntrious and Tyzone can realize their dream of teaching Nonsense Studies at an Ivy League school chock full o’ white girls.

  24. So here’s Raj Chetty, from the most uniquely stratified place on earth, with racist roots going back thousands of years, himself a shining example of those eugenic effects, coming to restore the American Dream. Never mind working on his ultra-intolerant homeland. The mind reels.
    He reminds me of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, whose adherents got coverage in the 70’s for saying that through Transcendental Meditation they could fly through the air “like Peter Pan”. I was out in Fairfield, Iowa, by Maharishi University, and I asked a salesgirl at a 7-11 what they thought about this Vedic levitation, and she wearily replied “Aww yea, flyin’ arahnd, zoom zoom”.
    Magic dirt: the new Ayurveda.

    • Agree: Moses, GermanReader2
  25. This is so very typical. Person is good at learning methods and methodologies, has no idea of their limits, applies them _outside_ their limits, and enforces disaster. McNamara, Vietnam War, is perhaps the best known of this sort, but he was closer to being operations research’s mean than being its outlier.

    Add somebody from a society in which logical consistency and ritual is primary, and who has support from humanities educated upper class European elites, (again, like McNamara, and also like Chetty) and very bad things happen, things to which the person and his (or her) backers are utterly blind. Eventually, enough people are hurt or simply killed and the whole thing stops. Eventually.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Agree: GermanReader2
  26. There are even working class white neighborhoods in New York City.

    There are these guys called Shomrim who keep it that way.

    Don’t worry, they’re Jewish, so they couldn’t possibly be racist. Very few black people go to those neighborhoods. When they do, they get beaten. But don’t worry, Shomrim only beat up criminals and Nazis. They would never beat someone up just because they’re black. They just have terrible luck when it comes to the few black people who show up. They’re always Nazis. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a Nazi, and you know what happens to Nazis.

    Unfortunately, according to IRS records, these neighborhoods don’t have magic dirt. Anyone who thinks the people there would lie to the IRS is a Nazi, and you know what happens to Nazis.

  27. @Moses
    What is the racial/ethnic mix of Chetty's neighborhood and his kids' schools?

    "Chetty rejects the caste system" yet his whole family is built on it lol

    Would be funny to see Chetty turn his data guns on India. Why are some ppl more successful than others there? Is it magic dirt, or caste?

    Move the dalits into brahmin neighborhoods and race mix them! Everyone will be a data scientist then.

    In India, Brahmin have their own Shomrim to keep the Dalitzis out.

  28. A plan that will finally insure “equality of opportunity for all” from a guy who won the sociogenetic lottery? How could there be any doubt that it will be a roaring success? He’s lived it!

    move blacks from the Tragic Dirt of inner city slums to the Magic Dirt of white working class neighborhoods

    Even David Simon and Ed Burns don’t believe this: “Take the entire Phillips Exeter Academy, drop it in west Baltimore, and fill its ivy-covered campus with the DeAndre McCulloughs, Richard Carters, and four hundred of their running buddies, and see just how little can be had for a dollar’s worth of education.”

  29. @Anon
    Doing the sort of drill-down, vertical sanity check on big data conclusions is not something that Steve invented. This is standard quality control on database-centered studies and is also a standard way to find further avenues of research to pursue. I'm really surprised that Chetty's group isn't doing this themselves, especially since it seems to be made up of a bunch of bright, young, white researchers. An enterprising reporter might want to cosy up to one or two younger members of his group, maybe over some alcohol.

    A reporter should inspire Chetty’s team and change the course of research by cozying up (…) maybe with the help of some alcohol? – Sounds more like the script for a funny movie, but of course, you never know…

  30. The smartest / most industrious Indian guy in my uni class a few years ago dreamt of taking his highly technical learning and … becoming a lecturer.

    It’s interesting reading about Chetty with his wealthy, genetically gifted lineage from the same country going the same way – tenure.

    I’d rather be in the real world and make something. These guys are really hungry for prestige huh?

    Is that the caste system WEIRD style? Is that what appeals, perhaps subconsciously?

    Does a tenured PhD professor at a good uni have higher perceived value than a (wealthier?) someone with a business and a product actually adding value to society?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Does a tenured PhD professor at a good uni have higher perceived value than a (wealthier?) someone with a business and a product actually adding value to society?
     
    According to the article, Chetty is not a Brahmin, he is from a caste of moneylenders and bankers. Presumably, to his fellow caste members, a partnership at Goldman Sachs would have been more prestigious than tenure at Harvard. Maybe the academic Chetty family acts vaguely sheepish and apologetic in large caste gatherings.
    , @sb
    As nother Australian it has always been my very strong impression that Indians of all talent levels are extremely obsessed with status .

    Well I admit many people everywhere are quite status focussed but many of the rest of us also realise that status is often a bit of a joke with little to do with merit .

    Furthermore it is often your grandmother's idea of status -doctor and lawyer stuff . Very 19th century

    Whereas money on the other hand .......

    I guess it has a lot to do with feeling socially anxious especially in Western societies
    , @Bardon Kaldian

    The smartest / most industrious Indian guy in my uni class a few years ago dreamt of taking his highly technical learning and … becoming a lecturer.

    It’s interesting reading about Chetty with his wealthy, genetically gifted lineage from the same country going the same way – tenure.
     
    Guru complex.
  31. The Great Plains unfurl as a sea of blue, and then the eye is caught by an island of red—a mark of the miseries inflicted on the Oglala Lakota by European settlers.

    This is sort of analogous to tragic dirt: ancestral injury. It’s not that, having been separate from the rest of humanity for millennia, living in the stone age, American Indians remain ill-adapted to western civilization. It’s the suffering of their ancestors from the Indian Wars propagating forward through time.

  32. So this is what that stuff boils down to in my opinion:

    “As I pointed out in 2013, Chetty had basically, at vast labor, created a map of where blacks and American Indians lived.” (True. made me laugh.)

    “I sure hope this works, because I seem to be just about the only analyst in the country who is systemically critiquing Chetty’s claims.” (Incredible, but most likely not untrue. Sad (and that’s why the irony does not really work here.)

    The most significant challenge Chetty faces is the force of history.

    “But not the force of evolution.”

    (or the force of proper sociology/social psychology, economics…)

    “Chetty is sounding ever more megalomaniacal.” – wouldn’t that have been the territory par excellence for some decent journalist and/or essayist in a high quality magazine like – The Atlantic Monthly, say? – And that was how many years ago?

    “Chetty rejects the caste system, but (…) married (…) a stem-cell biologist from the same caste.” And that is so telling indeed.

    John Friedman : (add x subtract y – eh voilá) – – – the children’s earning opportunities would have been more than twice as great.

    (cf. Mark Twain (about the difficulty and danger even of predictions concerning the future…)).

    “Basically, Chetty has come up with amazingly great data, little of which says much that America’s Great and Good want to hear.”

    Great (=fair and reasonable) finale of this Steve Sailer article, which is one more for the “best of” collection.

  33. @Moses
    What is the racial/ethnic mix of Chetty's neighborhood and his kids' schools?

    "Chetty rejects the caste system" yet his whole family is built on it lol

    Would be funny to see Chetty turn his data guns on India. Why are some ppl more successful than others there? Is it magic dirt, or caste?

    Move the dalits into brahmin neighborhoods and race mix them! Everyone will be a data scientist then.

    Chetty rejects the caste system, though…

    Though like all people from India, he only rejects it when white people are watching.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    Broke: Brahmin SJWs are hypocrites.

    Woke: Brahmin Shomrim beat Dalitzis.
  34. serious question now.

    aside from him not factoring in the HBD angle, is it also possible that in the freest of free countries, with the most capitalist of capitalist economies, that the humans in the US have sorted themselves out into classes by now, and that the great sorting process is mostly over, and class mobility is lower now than in the past, because the classes at this point are well established and long lasting over generations, and there’s simply going to be less movement between them from this point forward.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @prime noticer

    It might seem that the classes have sorted themselves out but I think a lot of the demographic socioeconomic sorting is also due to the new economic pressures over the past two or three decades. During the boom years after WWII, there were plenty of jobs and land. Lots of blue collar workers were able to purchase in areas that would become future affluent neighborhoods even if they didn't know it at the time. My parents certainly did that. My father was a shipyard worker and my mother was a housewife. Although I did very well in school, I don't know if I would have done as well as I did if I grew up in a working class neighborhood due to a challenging childhood.

    Back then, many neighborhoods had many more mixed income residents as a result. A lot of that's gotten trashed during the past two/three decades. My current town is very affluent but there are sections where the housing is high density due to the past working/middle class residents but is now priced out of reach for the current working class. If it's not the pricing, it's also the taxes. Most of my neighborhood is comprised of larger multi-million dollar homes but there are small sections of middle class ranch homes that are, one by one, being torn down for more expensive housing as the elderly owners die off. There is no incentive to preserve a stock of more affordable housing as our town has a small commercial tax base and the town gets much more tax revenue from very expensive housing. Plus many of those parents who do buy those expensive properties send their children to private schools even though our school district is one of the top ranked.

    I looked at Chetty's data regarding my neighborhood. It's rather ironic that, although it's one of the most affluent of all the town's neighborhoods, a child from a poor family in that neighborhood would earn the least.
    , @Parfois1

    ... , is it also possible that in the freest of free countries, with the most capitalist of capitalist economies, that the humans in the US have sorted themselves out into classes by now, and that the great sorting process is mostly over, and class mobility is lower now than in the past, because the classes at this point are well established and long lasting over generations, and there’s simply going to be less movement between them from this point forward.
     
    I believe that that question has been resolved by a novel idea: abolish social classes. Once that's done, you can't move up or down the ladder, therefore mobility becomes a non-issue. Besides, you remove from the workingman the prop that sustain his identity as a social being belonging to a group with common interests and aspirations, and from which one derives self-identification and solidarity.

    Social mobility is by and large a pie-in-the-sky illusory bait (the American Dream) to enforce the hard work ethic with the promise of a just reward. The reality is that very few are allowed to escape from the class they were born and raised in and those few usually would be the beneficiaries from a chance event unrelated to their hard work and merit. In a boom economy in a less stratified social system as in the US, the opportunities are greater for the self-made man to acquire some wealth and with it the belief of climbing a wrung of the social ladder but what does in fact happen is only acquiring more money, not class. The nouveaux riches usually are shunned by the snooty crowd.
  35. @Tired of Not Winning

    To find a cure for what ails America, Chetty will need to understand all of this wild variation. Which factors foster opportunity, and which impede it?
     
    But Chetty's average IQ 81 co-ethnics in India have already figured it out. It's the skin color, stupid! The lighter the skin color, the better the opportunities they get. Which is why they've already come up with thousands of skin lightening solutions in India, from Fair & Lovely Cream to "Gluthatione injection" to plastic surgery:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-pyexaKL6A

    Look at Michael Jackson, no one paid any attention to him until he turned himself into a white girl.

    Once they've lightened their skin, the next step is to join the current power group. Lloyd Blankfein, former CEO of Goldman Sachs, grew up in poverty to a father who was a clerk at a post office and a mother who was a receptionist. He went to Thomas Jefferson HS in NYC and on to Harvard. His secret? Being born Jewish.

    If one is not lucky enough to be born Jewish, fret not, one can convert! Just call up any rabbi and join up, change one's name to Ben Klein or Gary Rosenthal, profess one's undying love for Israel, et voila! One is on one's way to becoming the next billionaire.

    It would be funny if Chetty’s search for Magic Dirt got down to a house-by-house level.

    He would then discover that the secret to having more taxable income than your parents is to be born in a house with smart parents that don’t declare a lot of income (maybe they’re professors, or failed entrepreneurs, or just tax cheats).

    If these houses could be identified and reassigned to blacks and native Americans, surely their upward mobility would skyrocket.

    • Replies: @bomag

    If these houses could be identified and reassigned to blacks and native Americans, surely their upward mobility would skyrocket.
     
    For awhile, then Chetty will have to assign the jobs and salaries to those in need of uplift.

    That would last for a while, also, then Chetty will have to assign a stipend and caretaker to maintain the uplift.
  36. To find a cure for what ails America, Chetty will need to understand all of this wild variation

    To find a cure, simply look at the media.

    Both of Chetty’s parents descend from the Chettiar caste, a mercantile group historically involved in banking, and the kids were raised to carry on their cultural heritage.

    “To carry on their cultural heritage”. Hmm, a very friendly choice of phrase. White people descended from those who owned slaves 200 years ago are one thing, the beneficiaries of an actual, existing Caste system are quite another, obviously.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Maybe Gareth Cook has "Brahmin Fever"?
  37. @Tired of Not Winning

    To find a cure for what ails America, Chetty will need to understand all of this wild variation. Which factors foster opportunity, and which impede it?
     
    But Chetty's average IQ 81 co-ethnics in India have already figured it out. It's the skin color, stupid! The lighter the skin color, the better the opportunities they get. Which is why they've already come up with thousands of skin lightening solutions in India, from Fair & Lovely Cream to "Gluthatione injection" to plastic surgery:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-pyexaKL6A

    Look at Michael Jackson, no one paid any attention to him until he turned himself into a white girl.

    Once they've lightened their skin, the next step is to join the current power group. Lloyd Blankfein, former CEO of Goldman Sachs, grew up in poverty to a father who was a clerk at a post office and a mother who was a receptionist. He went to Thomas Jefferson HS in NYC and on to Harvard. His secret? Being born Jewish.

    If one is not lucky enough to be born Jewish, fret not, one can convert! Just call up any rabbi and join up, change one's name to Ben Klein or Gary Rosenthal, profess one's undying love for Israel, et voila! One is on one's way to becoming the next billionaire.

    Couldn’t watch the video of that Indian guy because he sounds just like everybody else crowding into this country lately. But what’s with his hair? Did he stick his finger into an electrical outlet or something?

  38. I suppose he can fly too… Chetty-Chetty-Bang-Bang.

  39. @Colin Wright
    I suppose it's all really no worse than if Chetty had spent his life calculating the average life expectancy of Lord Shiva's imaginary elephants. Hopefully no one is so foolish as to actually believe any of it, though.

    “Imaginary”????

    Beware Mr. Colin sir of the fury of Ganesh who you insult and offend.

    • Replies: @Lars Porsena
    He is holding a bow in 1 hand, but he doesn't have another free hand to draw the bow, even though he has 8 hands.

    Odd.
  40. In the future 80% of any academic paper is going to be a short bio of the authors including any hardships they had to overcome in 8th grade. The remaining 20% will be trashing previous research and a short description of their objective function used in the inevitable optimization algorithm.

    Even further into the future humans will bang on rocks to make it rain and ward off the evil redlining devils that ruin crops and cause women to be infertile.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • LOL: Dieter Kief
    • Replies: @Anon
    Fyodor Dostoyevsky

    “Science and reason have, from the beginning of time, played a secondary and subordinate part in the life of nations; so it will be till the end of time. Nations are built up and moved by another force which sways and dominates them, the origin of which is unknown and inexplicable: that force is the force of an insatiable desire to go on to the end, though at the same time it denies that end. It is the force of the persistent assertion of one's own existence, and a denial of death. It's the spirit of life, as the Scriptures call it, 'the river of living water,' the drying up of which is threatened in the Apocalypse. It's the æsthetic principle, as the philosophers call it, the ethical principle with which they identify it, 'the seeking for God,' as I call it more simply. The object of every national movement, in every people and at every period of its existence is only the seeking for its god, who must be its own god, and the faith in Him as the only true one. God is the synthetic personality of the whole people, taken from its beginning to its end. It has never happened that all, or even many, peoples have had one common god, but each has always had its own. It's a sign of the decay of nations when they begin to have gods in common. When gods begin to be common to several nations the gods are dying and the faith in them, together with the nations themselves. The stronger a people the more individual their God. There never has been a nation without a religion, that is, without an idea of good and evil. Every people has its own conception of good and evil, and its own good and evil. When the same conceptions of good and evil become prevalent in several nations, then these nations are dying, and then the very distinction between good and evil is beginning to disappear. Reason has never had the power to define good and evil, or even to distinguish between good and evil, even approximately; on the contrary, it has always mixed them up in a disgraceful and pitiful way; science has even given the solution by the fist. This is particularly characteristic of the half-truths of science, the most terrible scourge of humanity, unknown till this century, and worse than plague, famine, or war. A half-truth is a despot... such as has never been in the world before. A despot that has its priests and its slaves, a despot to whom all do homage with love and superstition hitherto inconceivable, before which science itself trembles and cringes in a shameful way.”

    ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Demons
  41. @An Aussie
    The smartest / most industrious Indian guy in my uni class a few years ago dreamt of taking his highly technical learning and ... becoming a lecturer.

    It's interesting reading about Chetty with his wealthy, genetically gifted lineage from the same country going the same way - tenure.

    I'd rather be in the real world and make something. These guys are really hungry for prestige huh?

    Is that the caste system WEIRD style? Is that what appeals, perhaps subconsciously?

    Does a tenured PhD professor at a good uni have higher perceived value than a (wealthier?) someone with a business and a product actually adding value to society?

    Does a tenured PhD professor at a good uni have higher perceived value than a (wealthier?) someone with a business and a product actually adding value to society?

    According to the article, Chetty is not a Brahmin, he is from a caste of moneylenders and bankers. Presumably, to his fellow caste members, a partnership at Goldman Sachs would have been more prestigious than tenure at Harvard. Maybe the academic Chetty family acts vaguely sheepish and apologetic in large caste gatherings.

    • Replies: @Malla
    But still upper caste.
    , @BengaliCanadianDude
    That is still a powerful caste
  42. @Gaius Gracchus
    Fascinating. Some researchers start with a destination and try to get their data to fit. Others analyze their data and see where it leads them. Jonathan Haidt is an example of the second type. The first type are either dishonest, poltical hacks, or IYI (intellectual yet idiots).

    Chetty is definitely of the first group and he doesn't seem to be a political hack or dishonest, so I guess he, in spite of his genes, is a IYI.

    Or maybe he’d like to keep his job?

  43. @RobUK

    To find a cure for what ails America, Chetty will need to understand all of this wild variation
     
    To find a cure, simply look at the media.

    Both of Chetty’s parents descend from the Chettiar caste, a mercantile group historically involved in banking, and the kids were raised to carry on their cultural heritage.
     
    "To carry on their cultural heritage". Hmm, a very friendly choice of phrase. White people descended from those who owned slaves 200 years ago are one thing, the beneficiaries of an actual, existing Caste system are quite another, obviously.

    Maybe Gareth Cook has “Brahmin Fever”?

  44. @Lot
    Reid Park doesn’t currently have any houses for sale listed on Zillow, however the average of past sales is about $120,000.

    “Low income” people in rich neighborhoods usually have off the books income or subsidies from their parents they do not report as income. Or they inherited a house in the high income area. Or retired early and do not have a lot of reported income, but could have early Roth IRA distributions, physical cash part time businesses, etc.

    Chetty’s IRS data’s “surprising” findings seem to center around gaps in IRS data.

    I was thinking something along those lines. People who are asset rich but report low incomes. It’s pretty glaring. How many children actually grow up in such circumstances to measure their mobility, kids in $500k homes with parents making $25k?

  45. @Moses
    What is the racial/ethnic mix of Chetty's neighborhood and his kids' schools?

    "Chetty rejects the caste system" yet his whole family is built on it lol

    Would be funny to see Chetty turn his data guns on India. Why are some ppl more successful than others there? Is it magic dirt, or caste?

    Move the dalits into brahmin neighborhoods and race mix them! Everyone will be a data scientist then.

    Is it magic dirt? caste? or mobs of men with sticks and knives?……yes, yes, yes.

  46. In a post-Trump presidency whether that comes in ‘20 or ‘24, whether it’s a Democrat or Republican, Chetty will be an advisor and his theories will influence domestic policy. He consulted both Clinton & Bush campaigns last time around.

  47. @unit472
    Economics is a field of study that, like psychology, pretends to have some knowledge about the subject it examines but really doesn't. Economists tend to be better at math but their models and formulas do not work. Both fields suffer from a variation of the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle in that the data collected has changed or become obsolete by the time the observer attempts to draw conclusions from it.

    For example San Francisco was once a prosperous but fairly typical US city with a mix of industry, commerce and banking. It lost its 'industrial sector' in the 1960's and blue collar workers had to move elsewhere. Then the Finance, Insurance and Real Estate workers became dominant in the 1970's and 80's. Bank of America, TransAmerica and Wells Fargo had the biggest shiniest skyscrapers downtown and negroes were forced out of the Fillmore and their other enclaves without big public housing projects. Since then the 'tech' sector has become dominant and the former FIRE workers have been displaced to the outer suburbs. The point is measuring the incomes of people who live in San Francisco would show a steady increase over the past 50 years but you aren't measuring the same people just the people in the same zip codes.

    Now I’m confused.

    Since then the ‘tech’ sector has become dominant and the former FIRE workers have been displaced to the outer suburbs. The point is measuring the incomes of people who live in San Francisco would show a steady increase over the past 50 years but you aren’t measuring the same people just the people in the same zip codes.

    So are the zip codes the actual Magic Dirt which just make any squatter richer and richer? Then It evicts them when It regards them as being quite rich enough, thankyou. And newer, worthier people are installed.

    Or do Rich People actually produce Magic Dirt? Possibly in the form of manure, thus imparting longlasting, heritable fortune to the local drift geology?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Interesting question.

    Despite many attempts, 'harvesting' the rich agri chemicals and anaerobic gas from human sewage has always proved to be uneconomic. Perhaps a rich community could afford to stump up the capital spending needed to make the project viable.
  48. On his national atlas, the most obvious feature is an ugly red gash that starts in Virginia, curls down through the Southeast’s coastal states—North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama—then marches west toward the Mississippi River, where it turns northward before petering out in western Tennessee. When I saw this, I was reminded of another map: one President Abraham Lincoln consulted in 1861, demarcating the counties with the most slaves. The two maps are remarkably similar.

    As are maps of where blacks live today.

    The blacks that still live where their slave ancestors did several generations ago, are descended from blacks that stayed put. Blacks that moved to better opportunities demonstrated innate energy and intelligence.

    Chetty knows for Indians, the ones that emigrate are clearly superior to the average Indian and probabally the average American, so letting them in would make America stronger as a state. He is lying about blacks, he knows an algorithmic process sorts out the most able by them leaving of their own accord for pastures new.

    • Replies: @GermanReader2
    Are Mississippi-blacks really better than the ones you find in Wisconsin? I do not live in the US, but from what I read on isteve, some northern states attracted a negative selection of blacks, not a positive one.
  49. The Atlantic has their Ideas Festival in Aspen every summer. It is underwritten by a who’s who of American corporate and Foundations.

    Who was one of the presenters?

    https://www.aspenideas.org/speakers/raj-chetty

    This sort of logrolling (speak at our festival and we will give you a cover story) is unremarkable. But it illustrates the intellectual monoculture where the incurious never question dominant and popular explanations.

  50. There is a lot of money and prestige available to people like Dr. Chetty who are willing to spend an inordinate amount of time compiling data that tells a particular story that no one can actually tell.

  51. @PhysicistDave
    Sadly, the American Founders, Adam Smith,, and most of our great-grandparents knew how to create a society that allowed people to get ahead:

    1) Reward people for producing goods and service that other people want to buy with their own money, rather then rewarding people for earning credentials, pushing paper, and manipulating words.

    2) Have the government get out of the way of people who do follow strategy 1.

    3) Put people who physically harm other people or other people's property in jail for a very long time.

    4) Celebrate a culture that encourages people to take responsibility for themselves and their families by following strategies 1, 2, and 3.

    Bonus point: Foreign adventures, wars, and militarism really do not tend to help a society embrace strategies 1 through 4.

    It's all really quite simple and fairly obvious to people of normal intelligence whose goal is for ordinary people to have good lives.

    Of course, if your goal is to exercise power over your fellow citizens, treat your fellow human beings with contempt, and achieve personal or national "glory" by engaging in destructive or murderous activities, then you would sort of want to follow the opposite strategy.

    Like most of the ruling elites in human history.

    Oh, puh-leeze. Not more of thus trucon bullshit. You create a good society by, one way or the other, selecting for a decent population. Unless you think that Adam Smith’s philosophy is all that’s needed to stop, say, Somalia from being a hellhole? Swedes, unless they stupidly Invite The World, do well under both social democracy *and* a more classically liberal model.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    Jesse wrote to me:

    Unless you think that Adam Smith’s philosophy is all that’s needed to stop, say, Somalia from being a hellhole?
     
    Yeah, as a matter of fact, if Somalia could and would follow my advice, ti would not be a hellhole. Unfortunately, changing attitudes and culture can be a very difficult, long-term problem.

    I'm not at all sure America can ever regain the attitudes and culture that made us a great nation.

    If you think that the relatively small number of immigrants that the US has taken in during recent decades is what has wrecked the US, you are letting yourself be used as a tool by the ruling elite.

    The US has been wrecked by its (predominantly white) ruling elite that has substituted parasitism for productivity, virtue signalling for personal character, and political correctness for stable families.

    What the elite wants is for you to ignore all that and find some other scapegoat -- "people of color," immigrants, atheists, or whatever -- anything as long as you do not see the elite as the real problem.

    "Divide and conquer"-- the classic method of control used by elites throughout history. And, you are falling for it.
    , @George
    "Somalia from being a hellhole? "

    I still can find no good reason for the W's need to overthrow the Islamic Courts movement and send armies from neighboring countries into Somalia.

    When the US overthrew the Islamic Courts, Al Shabab became the armed resistance. They are still there waiting for the US to leave.

    Al Shabab remains a potent and lethal force in Somalia

    In a nation devoid of effective government, the militant group is still often seen as preferable to rule by warlords or corrupt and distant politicians

    https://www.thenational.ae/opinion/comment/al-shabab-remains-a-potent-and-lethal-force-in-somalia-1.887654
    , @bomag
    The parts of Somalia et al that are livable follow the suggested strategy.
  52. Anonymous[693] • Disclaimer says:

    Apparently,amongst certain circles, the maxim laid down by one the 20th century’s greatest men, (George Orwell), holds true:

    “It takes them a real effort of will not to see what is plain and obvious and in front of their noses”.

  53. Anonymous[693] • Disclaimer says:
    @Expletive Deleted
    Now I'm confused.

    Since then the ‘tech’ sector has become dominant and the former FIRE workers have been displaced to the outer suburbs. The point is measuring the incomes of people who live in San Francisco would show a steady increase over the past 50 years but you aren’t measuring the same people just the people in the same zip codes.
     
    So are the zip codes the actual Magic Dirt which just make any squatter richer and richer? Then It evicts them when It regards them as being quite rich enough, thankyou. And newer, worthier people are installed.

    Or do Rich People actually produce Magic Dirt? Possibly in the form of manure, thus imparting longlasting, heritable fortune to the local drift geology?

    Interesting question.

    Despite many attempts, ‘harvesting’ the rich agri chemicals and anaerobic gas from human sewage has always proved to be uneconomic. Perhaps a rich community could afford to stump up the capital spending needed to make the project viable.

  54. In Charlotte, there are certainly areas of historic affluence, but also there are definite areas of Black middle/upper class that seem to be growing. The University area around UNCC is mostly middle class black and, it seems, Indian families. Lots of jobs for them in the banking sector.

    On the other hand, the murder count of 2019 is ALREADY higher than 2018 and crime is booming.

    The underlying causes would be an interesting case study, but safe to say the city governance and police/school leadership has followed a familiar trajectory.

    • Replies: @Skyler_the_Weird
    Those middle-class African-American jobs in the UNCC area were in call centers like Wachovia or TIAA. Those jobs are going to the Philippines via VOIP where people are willing to do jobs Americans won't do(for slave wages).
  55. This is just an extension of the left’s belief that environment rules all, and that neighborhoods that are crap are that way because it’s been inflicted on the people there, rather than a product of the behavior of the residents themselves.

    Back when The Atlantic allowed comments, I managed to get into an argument in the comments section with TNC. I had basically made the statement that if certain areas of NYC were high crime it was indicative of a higher percentage of residents who were bad actors, which apparently was an intolerable statement to him, since it had racial implications.

    Like the comparison between Reid Park and East Forest – two lower class neighborhoods with different ‘opportunities’. I am going to take a wild guess and suppose that driving through Reid Park one will see a lot of poorly maintained homes, cluttered yards, and trash on the street and a higher rate of single motherhood and crime than East Forest. It’s a mystery why people don’t get ahead there.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    You mean like this comparison?

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=tony+soprano+visits+the+old+neighborhood&view=detail&mid=A8B8DE76443816679372A8B8DE76443816679372&FORM=VIRE
    , @Redneck farmer
    The Left believes the environment rules all.....
    Unless you say a harsh environment made Northern Eurasians harder working with a lower time preference than say, sub-Saharan Africans.
  56. Chetty rejects the caste system, but happens to have married a stem-cell biologist from the same caste.

    I did lol

  57. “Then, in the natural course of events, upper middle whites can gentrify the former black slums in convenient locations and make a bundle! It’s a Win-Win proposition (well, except for the white working classes).”

    Congratulations to Chetty. He has, after years of tireless research and grant chasing, figured out what that dumb Irish guy Richie Daley figured out in an afternoon with a couple of drunk aldermen and some attentive cocktail waitresses, early into his career as mayor of Chicago.

  58. ” For a child in Reid Park, an African American neighborhood on the west side of Charlotte, near the airport—a place that has struggled to recover from a crime epidemic in the 1980s”

    Love how liberals talk about “crime epidemics” like they are random natural disasters like a tornado. Don’t you just hate it when a crime epidemic blows through town and saps all the social mobility out of the place?

  59. anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bugg
    Basic idea, RE NYC-if you live in largely white, high income Park Slope or the Upper West Side, you will be more likely to have a higher income. If however you live in mostly black central Brooklyn or Harlem, or PR/Dominican Bronx or Washington Heights, sucks to be you. This is cutting edge economics? But good news, black and brown people; the goodwhites are already pushing you out of Williamsburgh and en route to d the same to Bed Stuy!

    But good news, black and brown people; the goodwhites are already pushing you out of Williamsburgh and en route to d the same to Bed Stuy!

    This comment was time capsuled from 2009.

  60. Man’s basically a walking advertisement for eugenics, he doesn’t even need to talk all that (though he almost assuredly is redpilled on race and such things, it’s a “not out of pocket, not into pocket” situation for him so he plays along with the mainstream narratives)

    Perhaps he should explore ways how to quickly force-evolve that nonwhite-white gap…

  61. @kaganovitch
    This dynamic also functions in poorer areas. For a child in Reid Park, an African American neighborhood on the west side of Charlotte, near the airport—a place that has struggled to recover from a crime epidemic in the 1980s—the expected household income at age 35 is a dismal $17,800, on average.


    That "a place that has struggled to recover from a crime epidemic in the 1980s" is pretty priceless. I guess a crime epidemic must be something like an influenza epidemic, one is infected by inhaling viral aerosols. How,I wonder, do the infectious agents know to stop at the border of Reid Park? Tragic dirt indeed!

    —a place that has struggled to recover from a crime epidemic in the 1980s—

    Yeah, that stopped me dead in my tracks too. Release the squid ink and move on!

  62. MLB apparently replaced the New Jersey marsh scum they used to rub on the balls with genuine Magic Dirt. Perhaps Rob Mannfred will share the new location with Chetty.

  63. Since then, each of his studies has become a front-page media event (“Chetty bombs,” one collaborator calls them) that combines awe—millions of data points, vivid infographics, a countrywide lens—with shock.

    That reeks of Ringling Brothers style charlatanism. Which is what Chetty is. He’s a con artist from the get-go. And since con artistry is genetically embedded in our upcoming South Asian overlords, as it is in our current Jewish overlords, the Jew-Asian Axis of Weasels that is rapidly forming in America will be one big con game and grift on the rapidly dwindling pool of white heritage Americans.

    The SJW whites who are currently both the Mandarin class and the Narrative worker-bee class for our Jewish rulers need to wake up. The Jews are replacing SJW whites with SJW Asians as fast as they can.

    That’s right Makayla Smith and Jaden Cunningham. You might have $30,000 a year jobs at Vox media right now that let you live five to an apartment in Bushwick, but you’re going to be replaced by Leslie Yang and Prashant Shrikiorganantagtthan faster than you can say “that’s racist!”

  64. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    A bunch of Gangesters.

    Hindus worship cows, but PC made whites worship bullshit.

  65. sb says:
    @An Aussie
    The smartest / most industrious Indian guy in my uni class a few years ago dreamt of taking his highly technical learning and ... becoming a lecturer.

    It's interesting reading about Chetty with his wealthy, genetically gifted lineage from the same country going the same way - tenure.

    I'd rather be in the real world and make something. These guys are really hungry for prestige huh?

    Is that the caste system WEIRD style? Is that what appeals, perhaps subconsciously?

    Does a tenured PhD professor at a good uni have higher perceived value than a (wealthier?) someone with a business and a product actually adding value to society?

    As nother Australian it has always been my very strong impression that Indians of all talent levels are extremely obsessed with status .

    Well I admit many people everywhere are quite status focussed but many of the rest of us also realise that status is often a bit of a joke with little to do with merit .

    Furthermore it is often your grandmother’s idea of status -doctor and lawyer stuff . Very 19th century

    Whereas money on the other hand …….

    I guess it has a lot to do with feeling socially anxious especially in Western societies

    • Replies: @Malla

    I guess it has a lot to do with feeling socially anxious especially in Western societies
     
    Could be but Indians are the same in India. Being yucchus/ status conscious is a Indian genetic thing. Similar to Jews.
    , @stillCARealist
    It's likely a status-enhancer for the entire third world to say that you've lived or studied in the US (or other wealthy nation).

    Status is cool, but I prefer people who do something actually beneficial for the economy to the blabbers. When I find out someone is a college teacher, at whatever level, I think, "what a waste." It can be a stepping stone to something productive, but it shouldn't be all there is to a life.
    , @J.Ross
    Then how do you explain them having status-obsession instead of culture or a personal life in their home country?
  66. To be fair, it doesn’t seem like chettys team is unaware of race. In their direct analysis, they seem to focus on discussing results separated by race. In a sense, they look at mobility within blacks across the country more than they look at the overall picture. This helps them avoid the simplistic conclusion that mobility is better where there are fewer blacks.

    The issue here is in part how the media wants to talk about the research. The media wants to pretend this is all an issue of magic vs tragic dirt. They look at the overall picture rather than looking at where blacks tend to do worse or better than their parents or where whites tend to do worse or better than their parents. The media wants to talk about redlining and make things into their simple narrative.

  67. @Lot
    “Imaginary”????

    Beware Mr. Colin sir of the fury of Ganesh who you insult and offend.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4GgJxivEwc0/VYjtJbhogjI/AAAAAAAAJao/kcgotF0KZgU/s1600/angry-ganesh-look-photos.jpg

    He is holding a bow in 1 hand, but he doesn’t have another free hand to draw the bow, even though he has 8 hands.

    Odd.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    His trunk seems unencumbered. Handy things, trunks.
  68. @PiltdownMan

    Does a tenured PhD professor at a good uni have higher perceived value than a (wealthier?) someone with a business and a product actually adding value to society?
     
    According to the article, Chetty is not a Brahmin, he is from a caste of moneylenders and bankers. Presumably, to his fellow caste members, a partnership at Goldman Sachs would have been more prestigious than tenure at Harvard. Maybe the academic Chetty family acts vaguely sheepish and apologetic in large caste gatherings.

    But still upper caste.

  69. @sb
    As nother Australian it has always been my very strong impression that Indians of all talent levels are extremely obsessed with status .

    Well I admit many people everywhere are quite status focussed but many of the rest of us also realise that status is often a bit of a joke with little to do with merit .

    Furthermore it is often your grandmother's idea of status -doctor and lawyer stuff . Very 19th century

    Whereas money on the other hand .......

    I guess it has a lot to do with feeling socially anxious especially in Western societies

    I guess it has a lot to do with feeling socially anxious especially in Western societies

    Could be but Indians are the same in India. Being yucchus/ status conscious is a Indian genetic thing. Similar to Jews.

  70. You are very close with your affluent Mormon comment but this is more relevant: “residents include numerous authorities of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Bench,_Salt_Lake_City

    Affluence in the Mormon religion is almost entirely tied to how close you are to the power center of the church. This in turn is tied to your genetic link to the founder as far as I can tell. People that get the good positions in the church call themselves, without apology, “LDS Royalty”. This is based on your genetic lineage.

    I have a strong suspicion that people like Jon Huntsman, Sr. (who lived in this area) are not actually billionaires at all but are church employees. I have a connection to a vanity project of Huntsmans and it is an obvious Potemkin Village situation if you have any kind of wider world sophistication (i.e. you are not Mormon).

  71. @sb
    As nother Australian it has always been my very strong impression that Indians of all talent levels are extremely obsessed with status .

    Well I admit many people everywhere are quite status focussed but many of the rest of us also realise that status is often a bit of a joke with little to do with merit .

    Furthermore it is often your grandmother's idea of status -doctor and lawyer stuff . Very 19th century

    Whereas money on the other hand .......

    I guess it has a lot to do with feeling socially anxious especially in Western societies

    It’s likely a status-enhancer for the entire third world to say that you’ve lived or studied in the US (or other wealthy nation).

    Status is cool, but I prefer people who do something actually beneficial for the economy to the blabbers. When I find out someone is a college teacher, at whatever level, I think, “what a waste.” It can be a stepping stone to something productive, but it shouldn’t be all there is to a life.

  72. @Moses
    What is the racial/ethnic mix of Chetty's neighborhood and his kids' schools?

    "Chetty rejects the caste system" yet his whole family is built on it lol

    Would be funny to see Chetty turn his data guns on India. Why are some ppl more successful than others there? Is it magic dirt, or caste?

    Move the dalits into brahmin neighborhoods and race mix them! Everyone will be a data scientist then.

    If he really rejects his caste, he wouldn’t even know what caste he is, much less marry one in the same caste.

    Liberal hypocrisy is redundant.

  73. @Tired of Not Winning

    To find a cure for what ails America, Chetty will need to understand all of this wild variation. Which factors foster opportunity, and which impede it?
     
    But Chetty's average IQ 81 co-ethnics in India have already figured it out. It's the skin color, stupid! The lighter the skin color, the better the opportunities they get. Which is why they've already come up with thousands of skin lightening solutions in India, from Fair & Lovely Cream to "Gluthatione injection" to plastic surgery:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-pyexaKL6A

    Look at Michael Jackson, no one paid any attention to him until he turned himself into a white girl.

    Once they've lightened their skin, the next step is to join the current power group. Lloyd Blankfein, former CEO of Goldman Sachs, grew up in poverty to a father who was a clerk at a post office and a mother who was a receptionist. He went to Thomas Jefferson HS in NYC and on to Harvard. His secret? Being born Jewish.

    If one is not lucky enough to be born Jewish, fret not, one can convert! Just call up any rabbi and join up, change one's name to Ben Klein or Gary Rosenthal, profess one's undying love for Israel, et voila! One is on one's way to becoming the next billionaire.

    US Post Office employees are not poor. All the USPO jobs are decently paid. And if his mother worked as well, even in a private sector low paid clerical job, it was solid working class prosperity.
    Plus, post office is a secure lifetime job. They’re not on 3 year contracts. No periods of unemployment. The Post Office can’t be relocated to China.

    In today’s money, post office father probably made about 40K, mother about 25K hardly poverty. Also note that 40 years ago when Blankfein grew up, housing prices in many areas of NYC were reasonable.

    Blankfein’s an extreme example of upward mobility, but plenty of White Asian Hispanic post office employees children have done well. The thing that holds post office workers children down as a group is not the fact that the parents were moderately paid post office workers

    What holds them down is the fact that the post office especially in the big cities hires mostly blacks. As a group, blacks upward mobility is an affirmative action government or quasi government job thing. If their kids don’t get on the government affirmative action bus, they fall.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of Blankfein’s upbringing, ICYMI, check out his response to Bernie Sanders.

    https://twitter.com/lloydblankfein/status/1149756052679712768?s=21
  74. @Arclight
    This is just an extension of the left's belief that environment rules all, and that neighborhoods that are crap are that way because it's been inflicted on the people there, rather than a product of the behavior of the residents themselves.

    Back when The Atlantic allowed comments, I managed to get into an argument in the comments section with TNC. I had basically made the statement that if certain areas of NYC were high crime it was indicative of a higher percentage of residents who were bad actors, which apparently was an intolerable statement to him, since it had racial implications.

    Like the comparison between Reid Park and East Forest - two lower class neighborhoods with different 'opportunities'. I am going to take a wild guess and suppose that driving through Reid Park one will see a lot of poorly maintained homes, cluttered yards, and trash on the street and a higher rate of single motherhood and crime than East Forest. It's a mystery why people don't get ahead there.
  75. The trouble with “economists” and in fact, almost all fields of social “science” is, they get the cause and effect in reverse. The reason some people are more successful is not because they live in a certain place, however, the reason they live in a certain place is because they are more successful, i.e. where they live is not the cause for the success but the effect(result). In presuming the place as the cause of success, Chetty is once again missing the boat entirely.

    • Agree: Forbes
  76. @Moses
    Chetty's mass effort data crunch for pockets of reduced upward mobility simply revealing where Blacks live reminds me of an anecdote from Colin Powell's autobiography.

    When Powell served in Vietnam there was an army intelligence group that collected and crunched data. Their objective was to uncover patterns that would help them anticipate enemy actions.

    After months of data collection and mainframe crunching the group announced their findings with great fanfare -- probability of enemy action increased with the light of the moon! Full moon evenings had the highest probability of enemy attacks.

    Powell scoffed that anyone who spent a few weeks in the field knew that already. He writes that the experience caused him to view "experts" with a jaundiced eye.

    Reminds me of when the San Francisco cable car system need extensive repairs and modernization. The city paid the equivalent of 280 million in today’s money to some consultants to work up a plan.

    The consultants just talked to the high school grad mechanics drivers and maintenance men. They told the consultants exactly what needed fixing and suggested solutions. Cable car management and workers had identified what needed fixing and been pushing for the repairs for years.

    The consultants report was just a plagiarism of the workers and managers advice. It was a big scandal at the time. It was Dianne Feinstein who pushed through the contract with the consultants. Other supervisors wanted cable car managers tasked with identifying problems and solutions; the cable car management who’d been asking for money to fix the system for years.

    Feinstein was married to a poor struggling physician at the time. Had to supplement her income by taking bribes from the consultants

    Q. What does a consultant do?
    A. Borrows your watch to tell you what time it is.

    Oldie but goodie.

  77. In the future historians will conclude that Charlie Manson was the most influential artist in our culture and that our elites after him did nothing but continuously attempt to generate race riots.

  78. @sb
    As nother Australian it has always been my very strong impression that Indians of all talent levels are extremely obsessed with status .

    Well I admit many people everywhere are quite status focussed but many of the rest of us also realise that status is often a bit of a joke with little to do with merit .

    Furthermore it is often your grandmother's idea of status -doctor and lawyer stuff . Very 19th century

    Whereas money on the other hand .......

    I guess it has a lot to do with feeling socially anxious especially in Western societies

    Then how do you explain them having status-obsession instead of culture or a personal life in their home country?

  79. I quibble. The Indian genius for drudgery cannot be dismissed in a mathematically serious forum because after all, the Indian clerics who came up with the mystical year calculation 472 or whatever it is* were actually doing math, they weren’t doing a respectable intellectual job but they were familiarizing themselves with its ghost, and in a less broken society would be prepared for serious and socially beneficial labor.
    Chetty is a fakir flogging a simple fallacy — a tautology — to journalists and angel investors too stupid or hopeful to see that he’s a fraud. He’s not like a freshman who mistead the assignment, worked laboriously on it anyway, and hopes you either don’t notice or grade the effort. He’s a liar.
    ——–
    *Local public radio used to have the middle aged white guy who went full ashram (picture smirking westernized Desis laughing at this guy! Picture them!) who read scriptures that were just insanely precise calculations about gods inside gods. Ancient Indians saw “angels of the head of a pin” as a challenge.

  80. “The discovery “ of these neighborhoods is a “breakthrough,” huh?

    Quit Columbusing our neighborhoods, Raj!

    That’s what America is to the rest of the world: a big opportunity bargain. For them, not for us. Raj’s maps seem more designed for his cousins who aren’t here yet, frankly.

  81. @Alden
    US Post Office employees are not poor. All the USPO jobs are decently paid. And if his mother worked as well, even in a private sector low paid clerical job, it was solid working class prosperity.
    Plus, post office is a secure lifetime job. They’re not on 3 year contracts. No periods of unemployment. The Post Office can’t be relocated to China.

    In today’s money, post office father probably made about 40K, mother about 25K hardly poverty. Also note that 40 years ago when Blankfein grew up, housing prices in many areas of NYC were reasonable.

    Blankfein’s an extreme example of upward mobility, but plenty of White Asian Hispanic post office employees children have done well. The thing that holds post office workers children down as a group is not the fact that the parents were moderately paid post office workers

    What holds them down is the fact that the post office especially in the big cities hires mostly blacks. As a group, blacks upward mobility is an affirmative action government or quasi government job thing. If their kids don’t get on the government affirmative action bus, they fall.

    Speaking of Blankfein’s upbringing, ICYMI, check out his response to Bernie Sanders.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    That sounds like Hyman Roth in the Godfather II, "I am retired investor, living on a pension."
  82. I don’t credit New York Raj with being well-meaning and naive. Shifting the framing from ‘we need to do something about inequality of outcome’ to ‘we need to do something about inequality of mobility‘ allows them to find sympathetic ears among some Republican-leaning types and civic nationalists, who are otherwise less sympathetic to naked proposals of wealth transfer (and it helps that these groups are also desperate to believe that the bearded mullahs and Toltec pederasts springing up at the DMV like wildflowers are just believers in Our Shared American Dream of accumulating ever-larger piles of plastic shit.)

    The Rajs of the world (New York, Singapore, presumably also Thule and Timbuktu by now) are happy to keep the chattering classes occupied with the big issue- how do we make Reid Park more like East Forest?– to keep us from worrying about the difference between East Forest and Little Chennai or Hymietown. Of course, there’s just not enough churn in the last two to tell us something about mobility. Or New York Raj could always earn his next shiny gold star in another decade by proposing, radically, that what happens in one neighborhood influences mobility in others.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    I don’t credit New York Raj with being well-meaning and naive. Shifting the framing from ‘we need to do something about inequality of outcome’ to ‘we need to do something about inequality of mobility‘ allows them to find sympathetic ears among some Republican-leaning types and civic nationalists, who are otherwise less sympathetic to naked proposals of wealth transfer . . . .
     
    This is an excellent and well-stated observation; thanks much. I agree that Chetty's work is perfect for the social planners who will lap up his carefully-packaged data and use it to justify and organize their utopian schemes.
  83. @Moses
    What is the racial/ethnic mix of Chetty's neighborhood and his kids' schools?

    "Chetty rejects the caste system" yet his whole family is built on it lol

    Would be funny to see Chetty turn his data guns on India. Why are some ppl more successful than others there? Is it magic dirt, or caste?

    Move the dalits into brahmin neighborhoods and race mix them! Everyone will be a data scientist then.

    A lot of Indians vocally tend to reject the principles of the caste system, but they display private appreciation when they are around close friends, and they tend to exhibit a strong disdain for many of the low caste groups that they are “superior” to. I know of these attitudes because of my own experiences, and because of the recounts I heard from the many friends of my mother. Their support for this social ladder is inward, not outward. Gandhi, one of the most famous “egalitarians” himself was an avowed casteist, who rejected those same tenets in English publications that were read by the well-educated elite and the foreigners, but expressed continued support for the casteist mentality in Gujarati publications, or in private documents. This is why he had a falling out with Ambedkar, who despised the system because of the adversities he encountered frequently because was born as an “untouchable” (Dalit). He made many speeches on this, and he eschewed a lot of support for other religions, namely Buddhism even converting to it himself. Also, it has also occured to me that this is not a Hindu exclusive phenomena, as this casteist mentality is also quite pervasive within Christianity, Sikhism, and even Islam. I’ve heard plenty of tales of many Islamic leaders espousing these views of racial segregation, and how it may have been justified by scriptures by the disciples of Mohammad or whatever, and I’ve seen the same happening for Christianity, which professes itself on being equal, and a sort of brotherhood. My own mother herself conveyed many of the behaviours I speak of too, even though my parents were both Muslims

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @anonymous

    I’ve heard plenty of tales of many Islamic leaders espousing these views of racial segregation, and how it may have been justified by scriptures by the disciples of Mohammad or whatever, and I’ve seen the same happening for Christianity, which professes itself on being equal, and a sort of brotherhood. My own mother herself conveyed many of the behaviours I speak of too, even though my parents were both Muslims
     
    Your wording implies hearsay. Who are these "Islamic leaders"?

    As for your personal experiences, you must have been around "muslims" who were "muslims" in name only. Sure, muslims from one group may choose to marry from a similar group (Urdu speaking, marrying other Urdu speakers, etc.), this is not because of some innate feeling of "casteism" or the desire for "segregation," but simply a need for cultural continuity. This is quite natural in arranged marriages. Who wants additional hurdles in their marriages anyway (language, food, distance between native places, etc.)?

    What you claim above is clearly belied by Quranic verses and the Hadith.


    "O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female, and have made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Indeed the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted" [Quran 49:13]
     

    Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention ) said: "O mankind, your Lord is One and your father is one. You all descended from Aadam, and Aadam was created from earth. He is most honored among you in the sight of God who is most upright. No Arab is superior to a non-Arab, no colored person to a white person, or a white person to a colored person except by Taqwa (piety)." [Ahmad and At-Tirmithi ]
     
    https://www.islamweb.net/en/article/109364/equality-in-islam
    , @Anonymous
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/a-not-so-scientific-racist-declares-her-ancestral-homeland-the-smartest-country-on-the-planet/#comment-3329839

    Comment #167
  84. anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @prime noticer
    serious question now.

    aside from him not factoring in the HBD angle, is it also possible that in the freest of free countries, with the most capitalist of capitalist economies, that the humans in the US have sorted themselves out into classes by now, and that the great sorting process is mostly over, and class mobility is lower now than in the past, because the classes at this point are well established and long lasting over generations, and there's simply going to be less movement between them from this point forward.

    It might seem that the classes have sorted themselves out but I think a lot of the demographic socioeconomic sorting is also due to the new economic pressures over the past two or three decades. During the boom years after WWII, there were plenty of jobs and land. Lots of blue collar workers were able to purchase in areas that would become future affluent neighborhoods even if they didn’t know it at the time. My parents certainly did that. My father was a shipyard worker and my mother was a housewife. Although I did very well in school, I don’t know if I would have done as well as I did if I grew up in a working class neighborhood due to a challenging childhood.

    Back then, many neighborhoods had many more mixed income residents as a result. A lot of that’s gotten trashed during the past two/three decades. My current town is very affluent but there are sections where the housing is high density due to the past working/middle class residents but is now priced out of reach for the current working class. If it’s not the pricing, it’s also the taxes. Most of my neighborhood is comprised of larger multi-million dollar homes but there are small sections of middle class ranch homes that are, one by one, being torn down for more expensive housing as the elderly owners die off. There is no incentive to preserve a stock of more affordable housing as our town has a small commercial tax base and the town gets much more tax revenue from very expensive housing. Plus many of those parents who do buy those expensive properties send their children to private schools even though our school district is one of the top ranked.

    I looked at Chetty’s data regarding my neighborhood. It’s rather ironic that, although it’s one of the most affluent of all the town’s neighborhoods, a child from a poor family in that neighborhood would earn the least.

  85. @PiltdownMan

    Does a tenured PhD professor at a good uni have higher perceived value than a (wealthier?) someone with a business and a product actually adding value to society?
     
    According to the article, Chetty is not a Brahmin, he is from a caste of moneylenders and bankers. Presumably, to his fellow caste members, a partnership at Goldman Sachs would have been more prestigious than tenure at Harvard. Maybe the academic Chetty family acts vaguely sheepish and apologetic in large caste gatherings.

    That is still a powerful caste

  86. OT

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    If i was a ambitious young lawyer, i'd start gathering the data, the studies, the expertise now, so that down the road i'd be the go-to-guy for suing the shit out of all these "professionals"--shrinks, doctors, counselors--and the large organizations they work for as the incredible damage these vile shitheads are doing to now thousands of kids' lives rolls on out.

    Sure, those "professionals" are on-board the establishment's lunacy train right now. But the lawyers have a track record of getting things their way when there is a prime rent-seeking opportunity. And here the tort is going to be real and obvious.
  87. @Bragadocious
    Then, in the natural course of events, upper middle whites can gentrify the former black slums in convenient locations and make a bundle!

    I'm trying to think of examples where this has happened. A couple of neighborhoods in Brooklyn, maybe. San Francisco possibly. But as someone who lives verrry close to Sec. 8 towers built in the 1950s and now home to many blacks, it ain't easy to get them to move. Their default stance in life is to stay put because they know they've got a great deal. They're fine with occasional gunfire and bad schools. They're not interested in Chetty's stats or in promises of greater mobility.

    They don’t do it directly.

    Blacks drive out the prole whites.

    Chicanos drive out the blacks.

    Gays drive out the chicanos.

    Yuppies drive out the gays.

    It can only be done more directly with Shomrim.

  88. If a phenomenon like upward mobility can be measured with enough precision, then it can be understood; if it can be understood, then it can be manipulated. “The big-picture goal,” Chetty told me, “is to revive the American dream.”

    Neither of those logically follow. I thought Chetty was supposed to be a supergenius. 1: Chaos theory directly contradicts the idea that enough “precision” will allow understanding. Emergent phenomenons like weather, intelligence/consciousness, or herd behavior can be inherently unpredictable and hence unknowable. 2: Even if you can understand something doesn’t mean you can control it. You can understand an ocean but not have the ability to move it. Planetary motion is pretty simple, but we’re not going to be manipulating orbits anytime soon.

    Chetty rejects the caste system, but happens to have married a stem-cell biologist from the same caste.

    Ah, I see where those IQ points are going. This is precisely why diversity will never work, no matter how smart the various groups might be. In a homogenous society, helping your people means helping out everyone. In a “diverse” society helping your people means scamming everyone else.

    • Agree: Parfois1
  89. @HammerJack

    Chetty rejects the caste system, though...
     
    Though like all people from India, he only rejects it when white people are watching.

    Broke: Brahmin SJWs are hypocrites.

    Woke: Brahmin Shomrim beat Dalitzis.

  90. Charlotte recently lost the last Republican member of the county commission. The City council is down to its last 2 GOP members. Middle Class workers tired of high property taxes, various boondoggles, and having housing projects torn down to move the residents into suburban section eight housing have moved to neighbouring counties and South Carolina.

    Murder rate around here will soon be at Chicago levels as they are letting violent offenders out on bail with ankle bracelets.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    I'm somewhat perplexed that more US states--when they were solidly Republican--did not/could not organize themselves to become no-income-tax states.

    It's obvious where this train is heading. Whites are going to pay, pay, pay for services for lots of people who either don't make enough to pay (Mexicans and other low skill 3rd worlders) or who (Asian small business) cook their books to cheat on their taxes, while dumping their parents on welfare for health care, etc.
  91. (1) The real test of whether an Indian is caste-ist or not is whether they’re capable of doing their own chores.

    (2) I would have expected him to marry out (a white woman or a North Indian). He’s prolly not that racist if he married an Indian, especially another Tamil.

  92. Bank of America built its headquarters there, and today Charlotte is in a dead heat with San Francisco to be the nation’s second-largest banking center, after New York.

    Banker Hugh McColl, joined the predecessor of Charlotte-based North Carolina National Bank right out of college, becoming its president in 1974 at the age of 39. He engineered numerous acquisitions, with the bank re-named NationsBank in 1991. In 1998, he led NationsBank in the acquisition of the struggling San Francisco-based Bank of America, and then took the acquired bank’s name, while retaining the bank’s Charlotte headquarters.

    Whatever magic dirt exists in Charlotte, it seems, in part, due to Hugh McColl.

    Now if Chetty can figure out how to replicate Hugh McColl-type figures, he”l be on to discovering how opportunity works…

    • Replies: @Skyler the Weird
    Both Ed Crutchfield and Ken Thompson tried the McCall Merger magic with First Union \ Wachovia. It blew up in their faces as the Money Store fiasco under crutchfield tainted First Union so badly they bought Wachovia and changed their name. Thompson buying the worthless Golden Wests sub Prime Moffat assets caused Wachovi to implode and the Government forced Wells Fargo to save them. I notice there have been no new banking mergers since 2008 for Wells Fargo.
  93. @syonredux
    "On his national atlas, the most obvious feature is an ugly red gash that starts in Virginia, curls down through the Southeast’s coastal states—North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama—then marches west toward the Mississippi River, where it turns northward before petering out in western Tennessee. When I saw this, I was reminded of another map: one President Abraham Lincoln consulted in 1861, demarcating the counties with the most slaves. The two maps are remarkably similar. "

    Wow. Talk about ThoughtCrime. Chetty has just confirmed that importing vast numbers of Blacks to Anglo-America was a terrible idea.

    I was reminded of another map: one President Abraham Lincoln consulted in 1861, demarcating the counties with the most slaves. The two maps are remarkably similar. ”

    Does such a map exist? An 1861 map of counties with the most slaves? Why, for what purpose, does Lincoln need to consult such a map? Is this an apocryphal myth, or was I asleep in class that day?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    The Map That Lincoln Used to See the Reach of Slavery


    https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/09/abraham-lincoln-the-president-used-this-map-to-see-where-slavery-was-strongest.html
    , @syonredux
    http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/the_vault/2013/09/4/BigSlaveryMap.jpg
    , @Jim bob Lassiter
    " Why, for what purpose, does Lincoln need to consult such a map?"

    Maybe so he would know which geographical assignments to give to his generals.
  94. @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of Blankfein’s upbringing, ICYMI, check out his response to Bernie Sanders.

    https://twitter.com/lloydblankfein/status/1149756052679712768?s=21

    That sounds like Hyman Roth in the Godfather II, “I am retired investor, living on a pension.”

  95. @Gaius Gracchus
    Fascinating. Some researchers start with a destination and try to get their data to fit. Others analyze their data and see where it leads them. Jonathan Haidt is an example of the second type. The first type are either dishonest, poltical hacks, or IYI (intellectual yet idiots).

    Chetty is definitely of the first group and he doesn't seem to be a political hack or dishonest, so I guess he, in spite of his genes, is a IYI.

    Fascinating. Some researchers start with a destination and try to get their data to fit. Others analyze their data and see where it leads them. Jonathan Haidt is an example of the second type. The first type are either dishonest, poltical hacks, or IYI (intellectual yet idiots).

    Chetty is definitely of the first group and he doesn’t seem to be a political hack or dishonest, so I guess he, in spite of his genes, is a IYI.

    I think a couple of things dovetail here:

    — The personality profile of a lot of smart Indians is very much “the spelling bee” profile–liking the mastery of detail and very conformist, doing what’s expected. Diligent crank turning.

    — As immigrants Chetty’s family wasn’t as aware of racial realities in the US–though they certainly would have been very aware of similar caste realities in India–and as a result Chetty’s understanding of the US would have been entirely the received “wisdom” of Jewish/good-white academia.

    The result seems to be that Chetty took up this “social mobility” and “opportunity” task and diligently beavered away with the data, utterly unaware that he was simply going to unearth essential racial (HBD) patterns of US geography.

    When Sailer points out to Chetty that all he’s done is pull out these racial patterns, HBD and this simply concept of regression to the mean–which Chetty certainly understands–then he is stuck.
    Chetty can’t very well say “hey, the races have different profiles of the traits–intelligence, conscientiousness, cooperation, etc.–that lead to success in a modern economy and regression to their respective means basically explains what we see in terms of social mobility”. That’s career ending. So Chetty is diligently working to come up with something. And that, of course, is racial denialism–magic dirt. “If only those blacks with working class parents were three miles over in the working class white neighborhood, they’d have ‘opportunity’. Alas … racism.”

    In truth, what Chetty’s data mostly reveals is that fundamental truth about America–it’s nice it is white. More specifically because it’s a big continental nation with it’s heartland is full of a lot of reasonable competent white gentiles. So even with the post-War drain of talented white genes to the big coastal metros, there is still a lot of white talent out in flyover America.

    And the reasonable policy prescription from Chetty’s data would be mostly the reverse of what’s he’s going to suggest. It would be “don’t mess with it”. Or more specifically, “segregation”. Let white communities preserve themselves. In particular, if you want social mobility do *not* “diversify” intact white working-middle class communities. Those are the places, where you can still find some talent that can move up the ladder. And this applies to blacks as well. The best thing for black mobility is to be able to have black middle and working class communities that aren’t subjected to enroaching ghetto blacks–propagating their dysfunction to functional blacks’ kids. And i think it’s better for the smart–or even just average–middle class black kids to be with other middle class blacks where the smarties can be smarties and the average can be average rather than being surrounded by smarter whites where the smarties will be so-so and the average will be bad students and they’ll be a onus against academic achievement as “acting white”.

    Basically, once you actually engage with any data–or history, or psychology–is that people do best in–and improving–their own culture. Nationalism writ small as well as large.

  96. “…..I sure hope this works, because I seem to be just about the only analyst in the country who is systemically critiquing Chetty’s claims…..”

    Which is the saddest part of the whole charade. A good….hell even a halfway decent…..data analyst/manipulator can come up with all sorts of conclusions. Even as simple as moving your “years-of-study” forward or backward, as ISteve pointed out. “What would you like your answer to be?” is actually pretty accurate.

    I’m sure Gates and even Chan/Zuckerberg are smart enough to know this.

    The types of people who run foundations are not.

  97. @eah
    OT

    https://twitter.com/will_malone/status/1151614450803212288

    If i was a ambitious young lawyer, i’d start gathering the data, the studies, the expertise now, so that down the road i’d be the go-to-guy for suing the shit out of all these “professionals”–shrinks, doctors, counselors–and the large organizations they work for as the incredible damage these vile shitheads are doing to now thousands of kids’ lives rolls on out.

    Sure, those “professionals” are on-board the establishment’s lunacy train right now. But the lawyers have a track record of getting things their way when there is a prime rent-seeking opportunity. And here the tort is going to be real and obvious.

  98. @Sean


    On his national atlas, the most obvious feature is an ugly red gash that starts in Virginia, curls down through the Southeast’s coastal states—North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama—then marches west toward the Mississippi River, where it turns northward before petering out in western Tennessee. When I saw this, I was reminded of another map: one President Abraham Lincoln consulted in 1861, demarcating the counties with the most slaves. The two maps are remarkably similar.
     
    As are maps of where blacks live today.
     
    The blacks that still live where their slave ancestors did several generations ago, are descended from blacks that stayed put. Blacks that moved to better opportunities demonstrated innate energy and intelligence.

    Chetty knows for Indians, the ones that emigrate are clearly superior to the average Indian and probabally the average American, so letting them in would make America stronger as a state. He is lying about blacks, he knows an algorithmic process sorts out the most able by them leaving of their own accord for pastures new.

    Are Mississippi-blacks really better than the ones you find in Wisconsin? I do not live in the US, but from what I read on isteve, some northern states attracted a negative selection of blacks, not a positive one.

  99. @Forbes

    I was reminded of another map: one President Abraham Lincoln consulted in 1861, demarcating the counties with the most slaves. The two maps are remarkably similar. ”
     
    Does such a map exist? An 1861 map of counties with the most slaves? Why, for what purpose, does Lincoln need to consult such a map? Is this an apocryphal myth, or was I asleep in class that day?
  100. @Forbes

    I was reminded of another map: one President Abraham Lincoln consulted in 1861, demarcating the counties with the most slaves. The two maps are remarkably similar. ”
     
    Does such a map exist? An 1861 map of counties with the most slaves? Why, for what purpose, does Lincoln need to consult such a map? Is this an apocryphal myth, or was I asleep in class that day?

  101. @Jesse
    Oh, puh-leeze. Not more of thus trucon bullshit. You create a good society by, one way or the other, selecting for a decent population. Unless you think that Adam Smith's philosophy is all that's needed to stop, say, Somalia from being a hellhole? Swedes, unless they stupidly Invite The World, do well under both social democracy *and* a more classically liberal model.

    Jesse wrote to me:

    Unless you think that Adam Smith’s philosophy is all that’s needed to stop, say, Somalia from being a hellhole?

    Yeah, as a matter of fact, if Somalia could and would follow my advice, ti would not be a hellhole. Unfortunately, changing attitudes and culture can be a very difficult, long-term problem.

    I’m not at all sure America can ever regain the attitudes and culture that made us a great nation.

    If you think that the relatively small number of immigrants that the US has taken in during recent decades is what has wrecked the US, you are letting yourself be used as a tool by the ruling elite.

    The US has been wrecked by its (predominantly white) ruling elite that has substituted parasitism for productivity, virtue signalling for personal character, and political correctness for stable families.

    What the elite wants is for you to ignore all that and find some other scapegoat — “people of color,” immigrants, atheists, or whatever — anything as long as you do not see the elite as the real problem.

    “Divide and conquer”– the classic method of control used by elites throughout history. And, you are falling for it.

    • Replies: @Jesse
    "If Somalia could and would follow my advice"

    And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. You've proved my point. They can't be the productive and bourgeois, well, Northern Europeans, no matter how many you import.

    If the US had the demographics of 1964 (or blessed thought, hadn't had slavery) it could make a center left system work. It has decided to deliberately crush that, and that's why it's going to hell.

    It has everything to do with demographics. Pretending otherwise - well, no one believes you because it's not true. No one buys the trucon narrative.
  102. @Skyler_the_Weird
    Charlotte recently lost the last Republican member of the county commission. The City council is down to its last 2 GOP members. Middle Class workers tired of high property taxes, various boondoggles, and having housing projects torn down to move the residents into suburban section eight housing have moved to neighbouring counties and South Carolina.

    Murder rate around here will soon be at Chicago levels as they are letting violent offenders out on bail with ankle bracelets.

    I’m somewhat perplexed that more US states–when they were solidly Republican–did not/could not organize themselves to become no-income-tax states.

    It’s obvious where this train is heading. Whites are going to pay, pay, pay for services for lots of people who either don’t make enough to pay (Mexicans and other low skill 3rd worlders) or who (Asian small business) cook their books to cheat on their taxes, while dumping their parents on welfare for health care, etc.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I’m somewhat perplexed that more US states–when they were solidly Republican–did not/could not organize themselves to become no-income-tax states.
     
    Hasn't helped Washington any. And their state flag could pass for legal tender.



    https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w525-h306-c525x306/upload/b5/ed/4e/shutterstock-549468004.jpg



    When I was a kid in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut were locally famous for lacking an individual income tax. (I'm guessing that that's why Ann's Coulters moved to the Nutmeg State. But Ann went to college in New York, where she could drink legally.)

    That didn't last much longer. New Jersey's is among the higher ones. Connecticut is the only state to have changed from a flat to a progressive rate in recent decades.

    https://www.illinoispolicy.org/reports/how-connecticuts-tax-on-the-rich-ended-in-middle-class-tax-hikes-lost-jobs-and-more-poverty/
  103. Since Chetty is ostensibly famed for his microdot precision as well as his scope, his next round of depth intensification is bound to show that the deepest of deep-blue micro-areas of the “opportunity bargains,” the areas with the greatest upward mobility and wealth concentration are all — wait for it — Jewish.

    From there, the solution his brilliant research points to is most obvious. Families from all the least mobility sectors, and from the very, very lowest quintiles, should all be moved at once en masse to every Jewish neighborhood in the country. Every Jewish school, both private and public, must be packed to the gills with blacks, Latinos, and Muslims.

    We know from science! that all races and racial IQs are equal, so it cannot be that Jewish IQ is innately different from black IQ. The only explanation for the differential is that Jewish communities and educational methods produce greater success. Therefore, the best way to “change America” is to flood all Jewish assets with glorious people of color, who only lack Jewish opportunity to zoom directly to the heights. There can be no alternative; after all, Chetty is just /that/ brilliant.

    Then stand back and watch with astonishment as Chetty vanishes from the public discourse, never to be heard from again, and leaves Harvard to take that juicy tenure deal at Kenyon.

  104. Lovely people, these subcontinentals! Left to themselves, they’ll establish a caste system in the West with them on top.

  105. Anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:

    1. It’s interesting to me how you and Chetty have similar interests and mapping tendencies. Of course he is a better self promoter. And I even think you are sharper and with better insights. For example affordable family formation and coastal cities (water constraint driving prices up). But still you’re in the same sandbox.

    2. It’s probably confounded with the ethnic data you mention (as well as just population density) but the oil boom in ND sticks out like a thumb. Not just the royalty boom for mineral owners but the boom for people with surface land or businesses there or even just working there. Sort of see the same thing in the lower Delaware part of the Permian on your map, but that could just be other factors or chance. Also, in SWPA and WV, could be effect of the gas boom, but yes, confounded with other factors like race. There’s a green county in east KY, which is not really being drilled. I don’t see much evidence of the chart being impacted in the Eagle Ford counties of South Texas. Probably other factors swamping the business story (more densely populated).

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Pioneer peoples are typically innovative but resource-inefficient, so pretty good at sniffing out below-market resource extraction opportunities. Such as the first cropping of virgin farmland in the American "West" in the 19th Century.
  106. @Lars Porsena
    He is holding a bow in 1 hand, but he doesn't have another free hand to draw the bow, even though he has 8 hands.

    Odd.

    His trunk seems unencumbered. Handy things, trunks.

    • Replies: @Lot
    I rate your answer Nirvana-worthy.
  107. Raj Chetty investigates America.

  108. @PhysicistDave
    Jesse wrote to me:

    Unless you think that Adam Smith’s philosophy is all that’s needed to stop, say, Somalia from being a hellhole?
     
    Yeah, as a matter of fact, if Somalia could and would follow my advice, ti would not be a hellhole. Unfortunately, changing attitudes and culture can be a very difficult, long-term problem.

    I'm not at all sure America can ever regain the attitudes and culture that made us a great nation.

    If you think that the relatively small number of immigrants that the US has taken in during recent decades is what has wrecked the US, you are letting yourself be used as a tool by the ruling elite.

    The US has been wrecked by its (predominantly white) ruling elite that has substituted parasitism for productivity, virtue signalling for personal character, and political correctness for stable families.

    What the elite wants is for you to ignore all that and find some other scapegoat -- "people of color," immigrants, atheists, or whatever -- anything as long as you do not see the elite as the real problem.

    "Divide and conquer"-- the classic method of control used by elites throughout history. And, you are falling for it.

    “If Somalia could and would follow my advice”

    And if my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle. You’ve proved my point. They can’t be the productive and bourgeois, well, Northern Europeans, no matter how many you import.

    If the US had the demographics of 1964 (or blessed thought, hadn’t had slavery) it could make a center left system work. It has decided to deliberately crush that, and that’s why it’s going to hell.

    It has everything to do with demographics. Pretending otherwise – well, no one believes you because it’s not true. No one buys the trucon narrative.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Uganda was a violet hellhole under the tag-team rule of Idi Amin and Milton Obote. Now it's one of the more stable places in Africa. Ivory Coast was the richest of black African countries, then sunk after the death of the benevolent dictator Houphouet-Boigny.

    No, Uganda and Ivory Coast are not up to European standards, and never will be, but there is still a wide range of possible outcomes under different policies.

    If anything, North Korea and East Germany were demographically advantaged over their twins. Afghans have a higher IQ, and a lower per capita income, than almost every nation south of the Sahara.

    Thirty years ago, Mexico was stable and Colombia anarchic-- and now it's the reverse. The local populations haven't changed, only the behavior.

    China is smarter than just about everybody. Yet people still collect night soil for a living.


    https://slate.com/technology/2008/10/in-one-end-and-out-the-burner.html

    , @Anon
    What he means is that if somalia as a country followed his advice, it could improve; slowly but surely. May not become Denmark but surely somewhere close to Pakistan or Sri Lanka which is quite an improvement

    He didn't mean somalians in murica. You need to revisit your reading comprehension skills bud
    , @PhysicistDave
    Jesse wrote to me:

    They can’t be the productive and bourgeois, well, Northern Europeans, no matter how many you import.
     
    Maybe you're right.

    But Somalia does not have to be a hellhole: Somalia can be a better place than it is today.

    We have done what are basically controlled experiments on this. North Korea vs. South Korea: pretty much the same gene pool. Where would you rather live?

    China under the Maoist regime vs. China today. Same question.

    I'm not suggesting that it is a good idea, in Bertold Brecht's terms, to "elect a new people" by population replacement.

    But any group of human beings is going to do better, come closer to achieving whatever their potential happens to be, under a system of rule of law, free markets rather than crony capitalism, respect for traditional families, and, yes, peace and rejection of militarism. than under the opposite.

    Jesse also wrote:


    No one buys the trucon narrative.
     
    It's not a "conservative" point. Conservatism, Inc. has been quite happy with militarism, has in fact supported crony capitalism, and has at best paid lip service to traditional bourgeois morality and stable families.

    The proper description would be "Victorian values," or radical Jeffersonianism, or, perhaps, just the ascendancy of the bourgeoisie and bourgeois morality.

    We know how to create decent human societies. Both Victorian Britain and Gilded Age America more or less did it: neither society was perfect (no human society will ever be perfect!), but by 1900 AD, the life of the ordinary fellow in England or the USA was better than life had ever been for ordinary people in the course of human history.

    But simple ignorance (yes, often on the part of the most educated), as well as the self-interest of the ruling class, prevents us from applying these obvious lessons.

  109. @Tired of Not Winning

    To find a cure for what ails America, Chetty will need to understand all of this wild variation. Which factors foster opportunity, and which impede it?
     
    But Chetty's average IQ 81 co-ethnics in India have already figured it out. It's the skin color, stupid! The lighter the skin color, the better the opportunities they get. Which is why they've already come up with thousands of skin lightening solutions in India, from Fair & Lovely Cream to "Gluthatione injection" to plastic surgery:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-pyexaKL6A

    Look at Michael Jackson, no one paid any attention to him until he turned himself into a white girl.

    Once they've lightened their skin, the next step is to join the current power group. Lloyd Blankfein, former CEO of Goldman Sachs, grew up in poverty to a father who was a clerk at a post office and a mother who was a receptionist. He went to Thomas Jefferson HS in NYC and on to Harvard. His secret? Being born Jewish.

    If one is not lucky enough to be born Jewish, fret not, one can convert! Just call up any rabbi and join up, change one's name to Ben Klein or Gary Rosenthal, profess one's undying love for Israel, et voila! One is on one's way to becoming the next billionaire.

    What is “wheatish”, by the way? The Indian sperm banks push that trait.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    An Indian barbershop near me offers skin whitening but they call it "shading"
    , @Expletive Deleted
    Wheatish? Didn't they do that Teenage Dirtbag song?
    , @David
    In Spanish, trigueno means having skin the color of mature wheat, trigo. Not too dark, not too light.
  110. The real point is this: ” The next step will be to find local interventions…”

    The arrogant migrant has found a solution, and like all “solutions” it will create more problems.

    Now, who here can imagine what kind of problems these “local interventions” will give rise to?

    It’s so hard. So hard…

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    Change that Matters wrote:

    The real point is this: ” The next step will be to find local interventions…”

    The arrogant migrant has found a solution, and like all “solutions” it will create more problems
     
    Of course, there is one "local intervention" that would really work: stop the murderous blacks from killing innocent blacks.

    The most destructive form of racism in this country is the elite white folks who just ignore black-on-black crime.

    If Trump really wanted to make a difference, he'd announce that one of this country's top priorities is to deal with black-on-black crime. Thee Left would try to roast him alive, but if he actually pulled it off, he might find a lot of black people would be appreciative.
  111. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    The denial of intelligence as a heritable trait is destroying western civilization.

    Spot on. It is the root of all of our misery.

    But it’s funny. Consider this chain of conversation:
    a) Individuals vary in IQ, at least partly from genetics.
    b) IQ is a causative, predictive trait for income
    c) Therefore, poor people, as a group, have lower IQs than rich people.

    You can say (a) and (b) in public, and reasonable people of all political persuasions will generally nod. But if you say (c), which directly flows from (a) and (b), you will hear gasping and shrieking.

  112. No one has done more to dispel the myth of social mobility than Raj Chetty, but he has a plan to make equality of opportunity a reality.

    Yet in the article Raj Chetty acknowledges that he has no new plan to increase equality of opportunity. Thus far he has raised funds to help those in public housing find better housing in better neighborhoods using section 8 vouchers. This is nit a new plan , but has been the focus of HUD for decades.

    “The end goal is the social equivalent of precision medicine: a method for diagnosing the particular weaknesses of a place and prescribing a set of treatments. This could transform neighborhoods, and restore the American dream from the ground up.” Thus far Raj Chetty has offered no method for diagnosing a poor neighborhood nor any way to improve such areas when they are found.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Don't worry, running back Saikat Chakrabarti will follow up.
    , @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    Free IQ-modifying CRISPR injections into the fetus in the womb?
  113. @Expletive Deleted
    His trunk seems unencumbered. Handy things, trunks.

    I rate your answer Nirvana-worthy.

  114. @Arclight
    This is just an extension of the left's belief that environment rules all, and that neighborhoods that are crap are that way because it's been inflicted on the people there, rather than a product of the behavior of the residents themselves.

    Back when The Atlantic allowed comments, I managed to get into an argument in the comments section with TNC. I had basically made the statement that if certain areas of NYC were high crime it was indicative of a higher percentage of residents who were bad actors, which apparently was an intolerable statement to him, since it had racial implications.

    Like the comparison between Reid Park and East Forest - two lower class neighborhoods with different 'opportunities'. I am going to take a wild guess and suppose that driving through Reid Park one will see a lot of poorly maintained homes, cluttered yards, and trash on the street and a higher rate of single motherhood and crime than East Forest. It's a mystery why people don't get ahead there.

    The Left believes the environment rules all…..
    Unless you say a harsh environment made Northern Eurasians harder working with a lower time preference than say, sub-Saharan Africans.

  115. @AnotherDad
    I'm somewhat perplexed that more US states--when they were solidly Republican--did not/could not organize themselves to become no-income-tax states.

    It's obvious where this train is heading. Whites are going to pay, pay, pay for services for lots of people who either don't make enough to pay (Mexicans and other low skill 3rd worlders) or who (Asian small business) cook their books to cheat on their taxes, while dumping their parents on welfare for health care, etc.

    I’m somewhat perplexed that more US states–when they were solidly Republican–did not/could not organize themselves to become no-income-tax states.

    Hasn’t helped Washington any. And their state flag could pass for legal tender.

    When I was a kid in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut were locally famous for lacking an individual income tax. (I’m guessing that that’s why Ann’s Coulters moved to the Nutmeg State. But Ann went to college in New York, where she could drink legally.)

    That didn’t last much longer. New Jersey’s is among the higher ones. Connecticut is the only state to have changed from a flat to a progressive rate in recent decades.

    https://www.illinoispolicy.org/reports/how-connecticuts-tax-on-the-rich-ended-in-middle-class-tax-hikes-lost-jobs-and-more-poverty/

  116. @Jesse
    "If Somalia could and would follow my advice"

    And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. You've proved my point. They can't be the productive and bourgeois, well, Northern Europeans, no matter how many you import.

    If the US had the demographics of 1964 (or blessed thought, hadn't had slavery) it could make a center left system work. It has decided to deliberately crush that, and that's why it's going to hell.

    It has everything to do with demographics. Pretending otherwise - well, no one believes you because it's not true. No one buys the trucon narrative.

    Uganda was a violet hellhole under the tag-team rule of Idi Amin and Milton Obote. Now it’s one of the more stable places in Africa. Ivory Coast was the richest of black African countries, then sunk after the death of the benevolent dictator Houphouet-Boigny.

    No, Uganda and Ivory Coast are not up to European standards, and never will be, but there is still a wide range of possible outcomes under different policies.

    If anything, North Korea and East Germany were demographically advantaged over their twins. Afghans have a higher IQ, and a lower per capita income, than almost every nation south of the Sahara.

    Thirty years ago, Mexico was stable and Colombia anarchic– and now it’s the reverse. The local populations haven’t changed, only the behavior.

    China is smarter than just about everybody. Yet people still collect night soil for a living.

    https://slate.com/technology/2008/10/in-one-end-and-out-the-burner.html

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Harnessing the creative power of sub-males is also key.
  117. “Chetty rejects the caste system “

    Luckily, his wife doesn’t. What are the odds, data man?

    In America, you reject caste system. In India, caste system rejects you!

  118. @Anonymous
    1. It's interesting to me how you and Chetty have similar interests and mapping tendencies. Of course he is a better self promoter. And I even think you are sharper and with better insights. For example affordable family formation and coastal cities (water constraint driving prices up). But still you're in the same sandbox.

    2. It's probably confounded with the ethnic data you mention (as well as just population density) but the oil boom in ND sticks out like a thumb. Not just the royalty boom for mineral owners but the boom for people with surface land or businesses there or even just working there. Sort of see the same thing in the lower Delaware part of the Permian on your map, but that could just be other factors or chance. Also, in SWPA and WV, could be effect of the gas boom, but yes, confounded with other factors like race. There's a green county in east KY, which is not really being drilled. I don't see much evidence of the chart being impacted in the Eagle Ford counties of South Texas. Probably other factors swamping the business story (more densely populated).

    Pioneer peoples are typically innovative but resource-inefficient, so pretty good at sniffing out below-market resource extraction opportunities. Such as the first cropping of virgin farmland in the American “West” in the 19th Century.

  119. @Reg Cæsar
    Uganda was a violet hellhole under the tag-team rule of Idi Amin and Milton Obote. Now it's one of the more stable places in Africa. Ivory Coast was the richest of black African countries, then sunk after the death of the benevolent dictator Houphouet-Boigny.

    No, Uganda and Ivory Coast are not up to European standards, and never will be, but there is still a wide range of possible outcomes under different policies.

    If anything, North Korea and East Germany were demographically advantaged over their twins. Afghans have a higher IQ, and a lower per capita income, than almost every nation south of the Sahara.

    Thirty years ago, Mexico was stable and Colombia anarchic-- and now it's the reverse. The local populations haven't changed, only the behavior.

    China is smarter than just about everybody. Yet people still collect night soil for a living.


    https://slate.com/technology/2008/10/in-one-end-and-out-the-burner.html

    Harnessing the creative power of sub-males is also key.

  120. @Travis

    No one has done more to dispel the myth of social mobility than Raj Chetty, but he has a plan to make equality of opportunity a reality.
     
    Yet in the article Raj Chetty acknowledges that he has no new plan to increase equality of opportunity. Thus far he has raised funds to help those in public housing find better housing in better neighborhoods using section 8 vouchers. This is nit a new plan , but has been the focus of HUD for decades.

    "The end goal is the social equivalent of precision medicine: a method for diagnosing the particular weaknesses of a place and prescribing a set of treatments. This could transform neighborhoods, and restore the American dream from the ground up." Thus far Raj Chetty has offered no method for diagnosing a poor neighborhood nor any way to improve such areas when they are found.

    Don’t worry, running back Saikat Chakrabarti will follow up.

  121. Anon[658] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jesse
    "If Somalia could and would follow my advice"

    And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. You've proved my point. They can't be the productive and bourgeois, well, Northern Europeans, no matter how many you import.

    If the US had the demographics of 1964 (or blessed thought, hadn't had slavery) it could make a center left system work. It has decided to deliberately crush that, and that's why it's going to hell.

    It has everything to do with demographics. Pretending otherwise - well, no one believes you because it's not true. No one buys the trucon narrative.

    What he means is that if somalia as a country followed his advice, it could improve; slowly but surely. May not become Denmark but surely somewhere close to Pakistan or Sri Lanka which is quite an improvement

    He didn’t mean somalians in murica. You need to revisit your reading comprehension skills bud

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  122. @Bugg
    Basic idea, RE NYC-if you live in largely white, high income Park Slope or the Upper West Side, you will be more likely to have a higher income. If however you live in mostly black central Brooklyn or Harlem, or PR/Dominican Bronx or Washington Heights, sucks to be you. This is cutting edge economics? But good news, black and brown people; the goodwhites are already pushing you out of Williamsburgh and en route to d the same to Bed Stuy!

    Yes, this is cutting-edge economics brought to by ambitious foreigners from third-world countries. It’s like the great Indian electrical engineer who invented the USB port.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    If this is what the Indian intellectual elites come up with no wonder they still have an inferiority complex against white men.
  123. @More R1b, Less H1B
    I don't credit New York Raj with being well-meaning and naive. Shifting the framing from 'we need to do something about inequality of outcome' to 'we need to do something about inequality of mobility' allows them to find sympathetic ears among some Republican-leaning types and civic nationalists, who are otherwise less sympathetic to naked proposals of wealth transfer (and it helps that these groups are also desperate to believe that the bearded mullahs and Toltec pederasts springing up at the DMV like wildflowers are just believers in Our Shared American Dream of accumulating ever-larger piles of plastic shit.)

    The Rajs of the world (New York, Singapore, presumably also Thule and Timbuktu by now) are happy to keep the chattering classes occupied with the big issue- how do we make Reid Park more like East Forest?- to keep us from worrying about the difference between East Forest and Little Chennai or Hymietown. Of course, there's just not enough churn in the last two to tell us something about mobility. Or New York Raj could always earn his next shiny gold star in another decade by proposing, radically, that what happens in one neighborhood influences mobility in others.

    I don’t credit New York Raj with being well-meaning and naive. Shifting the framing from ‘we need to do something about inequality of outcome’ to ‘we need to do something about inequality of mobility‘ allows them to find sympathetic ears among some Republican-leaning types and civic nationalists, who are otherwise less sympathetic to naked proposals of wealth transfer . . . .

    This is an excellent and well-stated observation; thanks much. I agree that Chetty’s work is perfect for the social planners who will lap up his carefully-packaged data and use it to justify and organize their utopian schemes.

    • Agree: Prodigal son
  124. @map
    Yes, this is cutting-edge economics brought to by ambitious foreigners from third-world countries. It's like the great Indian electrical engineer who invented the USB port.

    If this is what the Indian intellectual elites come up with no wonder they still have an inferiority complex against white men.

  125. @Travis

    No one has done more to dispel the myth of social mobility than Raj Chetty, but he has a plan to make equality of opportunity a reality.
     
    Yet in the article Raj Chetty acknowledges that he has no new plan to increase equality of opportunity. Thus far he has raised funds to help those in public housing find better housing in better neighborhoods using section 8 vouchers. This is nit a new plan , but has been the focus of HUD for decades.

    "The end goal is the social equivalent of precision medicine: a method for diagnosing the particular weaknesses of a place and prescribing a set of treatments. This could transform neighborhoods, and restore the American dream from the ground up." Thus far Raj Chetty has offered no method for diagnosing a poor neighborhood nor any way to improve such areas when they are found.

    Free IQ-modifying CRISPR injections into the fetus in the womb?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    They’d likely just cover that little tidbit under the blanket term “Pre-Natal Care.” Mainly at the embryonic stage before implantation but details details.
  126. @Jesse
    "If Somalia could and would follow my advice"

    And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. You've proved my point. They can't be the productive and bourgeois, well, Northern Europeans, no matter how many you import.

    If the US had the demographics of 1964 (or blessed thought, hadn't had slavery) it could make a center left system work. It has decided to deliberately crush that, and that's why it's going to hell.

    It has everything to do with demographics. Pretending otherwise - well, no one believes you because it's not true. No one buys the trucon narrative.

    Jesse wrote to me:

    They can’t be the productive and bourgeois, well, Northern Europeans, no matter how many you import.

    Maybe you’re right.

    But Somalia does not have to be a hellhole: Somalia can be a better place than it is today.

    We have done what are basically controlled experiments on this. North Korea vs. South Korea: pretty much the same gene pool. Where would you rather live?

    China under the Maoist regime vs. China today. Same question.

    I’m not suggesting that it is a good idea, in Bertold Brecht’s terms, to “elect a new people” by population replacement.

    But any group of human beings is going to do better, come closer to achieving whatever their potential happens to be, under a system of rule of law, free markets rather than crony capitalism, respect for traditional families, and, yes, peace and rejection of militarism. than under the opposite.

    Jesse also wrote:

    No one buys the trucon narrative.

    It’s not a “conservative” point. Conservatism, Inc. has been quite happy with militarism, has in fact supported crony capitalism, and has at best paid lip service to traditional bourgeois morality and stable families.

    The proper description would be “Victorian values,” or radical Jeffersonianism, or, perhaps, just the ascendancy of the bourgeoisie and bourgeois morality.

    We know how to create decent human societies. Both Victorian Britain and Gilded Age America more or less did it: neither society was perfect (no human society will ever be perfect!), but by 1900 AD, the life of the ordinary fellow in England or the USA was better than life had ever been for ordinary people in the course of human history.

    But simple ignorance (yes, often on the part of the most educated), as well as the self-interest of the ruling class, prevents us from applying these obvious lessons.

    • Agree: 68W58
  127. @Change that Matters
    The real point is this: " The next step will be to find local interventions..."

    The arrogant migrant has found a solution, and like all "solutions" it will create more problems.

    Now, who here can imagine what kind of problems these "local interventions" will give rise to?

    It's so hard. So hard...

    Change that Matters wrote:

    The real point is this: ” The next step will be to find local interventions…”

    The arrogant migrant has found a solution, and like all “solutions” it will create more problems

    Of course, there is one “local intervention” that would really work: stop the murderous blacks from killing innocent blacks.

    The most destructive form of racism in this country is the elite white folks who just ignore black-on-black crime.

    If Trump really wanted to make a difference, he’d announce that one of this country’s top priorities is to deal with black-on-black crime. Thee Left would try to roast him alive, but if he actually pulled it off, he might find a lot of black people would be appreciative.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    "The most destructive form of racism in this country is the elite white folks who just ignore black-on-black crime."

    No, the most destructive form of racism in this country are the elites - a combination of jews and whites - who actively work to turn the working class white population of this country into a permanent servant class.

    Some of your points would be better received if you'd cut out the negro pity. Pretty much the entire city government of Chicago and Baltimore is made up of blacks, including the mayors, police chiefs, and states attorneys. I don't hear them saying anything about black on black violence.
    , @Jim Don Bob

    If Trump really wanted to make a difference, he’d announce that one of this country’s top priorities is to deal with black-on-black crime.
     
    OK, but short of house to house searches in the ghetto, what do you suggest? I am not trolling here; I just don't think anybody knows how to solve this problem.
  128. @Jesse
    Oh, puh-leeze. Not more of thus trucon bullshit. You create a good society by, one way or the other, selecting for a decent population. Unless you think that Adam Smith's philosophy is all that's needed to stop, say, Somalia from being a hellhole? Swedes, unless they stupidly Invite The World, do well under both social democracy *and* a more classically liberal model.

    “Somalia from being a hellhole? ”

    I still can find no good reason for the W’s need to overthrow the Islamic Courts movement and send armies from neighboring countries into Somalia.

    When the US overthrew the Islamic Courts, Al Shabab became the armed resistance. They are still there waiting for the US to leave.

    Al Shabab remains a potent and lethal force in Somalia

    In a nation devoid of effective government, the militant group is still often seen as preferable to rule by warlords or corrupt and distant politicians

    https://www.thenational.ae/opinion/comment/al-shabab-remains-a-potent-and-lethal-force-in-somalia-1.887654

  129. Michael Crichton had Chetty’s number:

    Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward — reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.

  130. A lot of trucon types seem emotionally attached to the small govt cargo cult because it reminds them of the last time Their People were on top. Center leftism would work fine with the population of 1964.

    Could the Somalis, Pakistanis etc do better than they are now? Sure, but it’s up to them to decide the if and how. And bringing them into the global capitalism side of things is what led to the massive reduction on living standards and opportunities for working class Americans, as it just provided more cannon fodder for big business.

    (Also, North and South Korea have been genetically different for as long as anyone has been looking. That’s why they have such different cultures to start with.)

  131. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @KunioKun
    In the future 80% of any academic paper is going to be a short bio of the authors including any hardships they had to overcome in 8th grade. The remaining 20% will be trashing previous research and a short description of their objective function used in the inevitable optimization algorithm.

    Even further into the future humans will bang on rocks to make it rain and ward off the evil redlining devils that ruin crops and cause women to be infertile.

    Fyodor Dostoyevsky

    “Science and reason have, from the beginning of time, played a secondary and subordinate part in the life of nations; so it will be till the end of time. Nations are built up and moved by another force which sways and dominates them, the origin of which is unknown and inexplicable: that force is the force of an insatiable desire to go on to the end, though at the same time it denies that end. It is the force of the persistent assertion of one’s own existence, and a denial of death. It’s the spirit of life, as the Scriptures call it, ‘the river of living water,’ the drying up of which is threatened in the Apocalypse. It’s the æsthetic principle, as the philosophers call it, the ethical principle with which they identify it, ‘the seeking for God,’ as I call it more simply. The object of every national movement, in every people and at every period of its existence is only the seeking for its god, who must be its own god, and the faith in Him as the only true one. God is the synthetic personality of the whole people, taken from its beginning to its end. It has never happened that all, or even many, peoples have had one common god, but each has always had its own. It’s a sign of the decay of nations when they begin to have gods in common. When gods begin to be common to several nations the gods are dying and the faith in them, together with the nations themselves. The stronger a people the more individual their God. There never has been a nation without a religion, that is, without an idea of good and evil. Every people has its own conception of good and evil, and its own good and evil. When the same conceptions of good and evil become prevalent in several nations, then these nations are dying, and then the very distinction between good and evil is beginning to disappear. Reason has never had the power to define good and evil, or even to distinguish between good and evil, even approximately; on the contrary, it has always mixed them up in a disgraceful and pitiful way; science has even given the solution by the fist. This is particularly characteristic of the half-truths of science, the most terrible scourge of humanity, unknown till this century, and worse than plague, famine, or war. A half-truth is a despot… such as has never been in the world before. A despot that has its priests and its slaves, a despot to whom all do homage with love and superstition hitherto inconceivable, before which science itself trembles and cringes in a shameful way.”

    ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Demons

  132. @An Aussie
    The smartest / most industrious Indian guy in my uni class a few years ago dreamt of taking his highly technical learning and ... becoming a lecturer.

    It's interesting reading about Chetty with his wealthy, genetically gifted lineage from the same country going the same way - tenure.

    I'd rather be in the real world and make something. These guys are really hungry for prestige huh?

    Is that the caste system WEIRD style? Is that what appeals, perhaps subconsciously?

    Does a tenured PhD professor at a good uni have higher perceived value than a (wealthier?) someone with a business and a product actually adding value to society?

    The smartest / most industrious Indian guy in my uni class a few years ago dreamt of taking his highly technical learning and … becoming a lecturer.

    It’s interesting reading about Chetty with his wealthy, genetically gifted lineage from the same country going the same way – tenure.

    Guru complex.

  133. @Reg Cæsar
    What is "wheatish", by the way? The Indian sperm banks push that trait.

    An Indian barbershop near me offers skin whitening but they call it “shading”

  134. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    Free IQ-modifying CRISPR injections into the fetus in the womb?

    They’d likely just cover that little tidbit under the blanket term “Pre-Natal Care.” Mainly at the embryonic stage before implantation but details details.

  135. @Jesse
    Oh, puh-leeze. Not more of thus trucon bullshit. You create a good society by, one way or the other, selecting for a decent population. Unless you think that Adam Smith's philosophy is all that's needed to stop, say, Somalia from being a hellhole? Swedes, unless they stupidly Invite The World, do well under both social democracy *and* a more classically liberal model.

    The parts of Somalia et al that are livable follow the suggested strategy.

    • Replies: @Jesse
    The parts of Somalia that followed it were, by definition, the ones populated by the more middle class types.

    As much fun as conservatives have with the idea that everything would be fine if everyone would Be Like Me, it really all comes down to genetics.
  136. @Moses

    Who are all the people who are not here, who would have been here if they’d had the opportunities? That is a really good question.
     
    Translation: We need more of my cousins in the USA to fulfill their potential.

    Who are all the people who are not here, who would have been here if they’d had the opportunities? That is a really good question.

    What a grating question. Chetty acts like he is drilling for oil; the oil of good neighborhoods; and when he finds it, he invites his friends and family to come by with their tanker trucks and load up the stuff.

    Ever since the days of old
    Men have searched for wealth untold
    They dug for silver, and for gold
    And left the empty holes

    Maybe the people “not here” are the people of current residents who are yet to be born.

  137. All one needs are two c/p from earlier posts, one of them from AR, the other from CH.

    It basically is: whites can create sustainable modern culture & blacks- can’t. As for the others, they deserve different analyses, but that’s another point….

    Let’s consider your principles. Do you dream of a traditional, religious, free-market society with small government, low taxes, and no gun control, where same-sex marriage is illegal, and abortion, divorce, prostitution, and illegitimacy are scorned? There are such places: the tribal areas of Pakistan and Somalia.

    And what about countries that violate your principles – with high taxes, huge government, clogged markets, a weak church, strict gun control, and sexual license of all kinds? There’s Scandinavia. And yet if you had to leave the United States you’d much rather live in Denmark than in Waziristan.

    Do you see the pattern? Even when they violate your principles, white people build good societies. Even when they abide by your principles, non-whites usually don’t.

    Jared Taylor, 2015

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/what_i_learned_in_peace_corps_in_africa_trump_is_right.html


    Three weeks after college, I flew to Senegal, West Africa, to run a community center in a rural town.
    Life was placid, with no danger, except to your health. That danger was considerable, because it was, in the words of the Peace Corps doctor, “a fecalized environment.”

    In plain English: s— is everywhere. People defecate on the open ground, and the feces is blown with the dust – onto you, your clothes, your food, the water. He warned us the first day of training: do not even touch water. Human feces carries parasites that bore through your skin and cause organ failure.
    …………………………

    Senegal was not a hellhole.

    Very poor people can lead happy, meaningful lives in their own cultures’ terms. But they are not our terms. The excrement is the least of it. Our basic ideas of human relations, right and wrong, are incompatible.
    ……………………………..

    The longer I lived there, the more I understood: it became blindingly obvious that the Senegalese are not the same as us. The truths we hold to be self-evident are not evident to the Senegalese.
    How could they be? Their reality is totally different. You can’t understand anything in Senegal using American terms.

    Take something as basic as family. Family was a few hundred people, extending out to second and third cousins. All the men in one generation were called “father.” Senegalese are Muslim, with up to four wives. Girls had their clitorises cut off at puberty. (I witnessed this, at what I thought was going to be a nice coming-of-age ceremony, like a bat mitzvah or confirmation.) Sex, I was told, did not include kissing. Love and friendship in marriage were Western ideas. Fidelity was not a thing. Married women would have sex for a few cents to have cash for the market.

    ………………
    The Ten Commandments were not disobeyed – they were unknown. The value system was the exact opposite. You were supposed to steal everything you can to give to your own relatives. There are some Westernized Africans who try to rebel against the system. They fail.

    • Replies: @Jester
    Noooooooooo ! I just cannot believe this ! Blacks can eff up everything they touch ? That is surprising news to me.

    Oh I forgot, they have already ruined all of the African countries that were handed over to them at independence with South Africa now the last one headed for the trash heap. Most of the West Indian islands are also dumps. And I forgot all our American cities that have black shit holes.

    Sorry, you were right. Their perspective is certainly ............ oh never mind !
  138. @bomag
    The parts of Somalia et al that are livable follow the suggested strategy.

    The parts of Somalia that followed it were, by definition, the ones populated by the more middle class types.

    As much fun as conservatives have with the idea that everything would be fine if everyone would Be Like Me, it really all comes down to genetics.

  139. @PhysicistDave
    Change that Matters wrote:

    The real point is this: ” The next step will be to find local interventions…”

    The arrogant migrant has found a solution, and like all “solutions” it will create more problems
     
    Of course, there is one "local intervention" that would really work: stop the murderous blacks from killing innocent blacks.

    The most destructive form of racism in this country is the elite white folks who just ignore black-on-black crime.

    If Trump really wanted to make a difference, he'd announce that one of this country's top priorities is to deal with black-on-black crime. Thee Left would try to roast him alive, but if he actually pulled it off, he might find a lot of black people would be appreciative.

    “The most destructive form of racism in this country is the elite white folks who just ignore black-on-black crime.”

    No, the most destructive form of racism in this country are the elites – a combination of jews and whites – who actively work to turn the working class white population of this country into a permanent servant class.

    Some of your points would be better received if you’d cut out the negro pity. Pretty much the entire city government of Chicago and Baltimore is made up of blacks, including the mayors, police chiefs, and states attorneys. I don’t hear them saying anything about black on black violence.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    MikeatMikedotMike wrote:

    No, the most destructive form of racism in this country are the elites – a combination of jews and whites – who actively work to turn the working class white population of this country into a permanent servant class.
     
    Well, in the larger perspective, it's all part of the same process: largely white (both Gentile and Jewish) elites with some token minority members abuse and exploit ordinary people of all races -- black, white, Hispanic, Asian, or whatever.

    However, I'm not sure it is a reasonable use of language to call the abuse of the white working class "racism": it is simply evil, just because it is evil to abuse innocent people of any race or social class.

    Mike also wrote:

    Some of your points would be better received if you’d cut out the negro pity. Pretty much the entire city government of Chicago and Baltimore is made up of blacks, including the mayors, police chiefs, and states attorneys. I don’t hear them saying anything about black on black violence.
     
    Yeah, the "official" black elite are just as corrupt and abusive as the mainstream white elite. I do not think, however, that this should reduce sympathy for the decent black folks who are the victims of those elites. (In fairness, there are of course blacks, such as Thomas Sowell, John McWhorter, Clarence Thomas, et al. who are speaking out for the truth. But, of course, the ruling elite denies such people the title of spokesmen for blacks.)

    I don't think we should accept the false dichotomy of either we sympathize with the abused white working class or we sympathize with innocent abused black folks.

    It is really one injustice: decent people of all races who are abused and oppressed by the ruling elite.
  140. I wonder if knows Nikki Haley – she was a huge success – according to Washington and Tel Aviv. It’s all BS and how good you are at spreading it. Or selling it.

  141. @prime noticer
    serious question now.

    aside from him not factoring in the HBD angle, is it also possible that in the freest of free countries, with the most capitalist of capitalist economies, that the humans in the US have sorted themselves out into classes by now, and that the great sorting process is mostly over, and class mobility is lower now than in the past, because the classes at this point are well established and long lasting over generations, and there's simply going to be less movement between them from this point forward.

    … , is it also possible that in the freest of free countries, with the most capitalist of capitalist economies, that the humans in the US have sorted themselves out into classes by now, and that the great sorting process is mostly over, and class mobility is lower now than in the past, because the classes at this point are well established and long lasting over generations, and there’s simply going to be less movement between them from this point forward.

    I believe that that question has been resolved by a novel idea: abolish social classes. Once that’s done, you can’t move up or down the ladder, therefore mobility becomes a non-issue. Besides, you remove from the workingman the prop that sustain his identity as a social being belonging to a group with common interests and aspirations, and from which one derives self-identification and solidarity.

    Social mobility is by and large a pie-in-the-sky illusory bait (the American Dream) to enforce the hard work ethic with the promise of a just reward. The reality is that very few are allowed to escape from the class they were born and raised in and those few usually would be the beneficiaries from a chance event unrelated to their hard work and merit. In a boom economy in a less stratified social system as in the US, the opportunities are greater for the self-made man to acquire some wealth and with it the belief of climbing a wrung of the social ladder but what does in fact happen is only acquiring more money, not class. The nouveaux riches usually are shunned by the snooty crowd.

  142. Two books that the guy should have read before he started writing:

  143. @Forbes

    Bank of America built its headquarters there, and today Charlotte is in a dead heat with San Francisco to be the nation’s second-largest banking center, after New York.
     
    Banker Hugh McColl, joined the predecessor of Charlotte-based North Carolina National Bank right out of college, becoming its president in 1974 at the age of 39. He engineered numerous acquisitions, with the bank re-named NationsBank in 1991. In 1998, he led NationsBank in the acquisition of the struggling San Francisco-based Bank of America, and then took the acquired bank's name, while retaining the bank's Charlotte headquarters.

    Whatever magic dirt exists in Charlotte, it seems, in part, due to Hugh McColl.

    Now if Chetty can figure out how to replicate Hugh McColl-type figures, he''l be on to discovering how opportunity works...

    Both Ed Crutchfield and Ken Thompson tried the McCall Merger magic with First Union \ Wachovia. It blew up in their faces as the Money Store fiasco under crutchfield tainted First Union so badly they bought Wachovia and changed their name. Thompson buying the worthless Golden Wests sub Prime Moffat assets caused Wachovi to implode and the Government forced Wells Fargo to save them. I notice there have been no new banking mergers since 2008 for Wells Fargo.

  144. @Hypnotoad666
    It would be funny if Chetty's search for Magic Dirt got down to a house-by-house level.

    He would then discover that the secret to having more taxable income than your parents is to be born in a house with smart parents that don't declare a lot of income (maybe they're professors, or failed entrepreneurs, or just tax cheats).

    If these houses could be identified and reassigned to blacks and native Americans, surely their upward mobility would skyrocket.

    If these houses could be identified and reassigned to blacks and native Americans, surely their upward mobility would skyrocket.

    For awhile, then Chetty will have to assign the jobs and salaries to those in need of uplift.

    That would last for a while, also, then Chetty will have to assign a stipend and caretaker to maintain the uplift.

  145. @Forbes

    I was reminded of another map: one President Abraham Lincoln consulted in 1861, demarcating the counties with the most slaves. The two maps are remarkably similar. ”
     
    Does such a map exist? An 1861 map of counties with the most slaves? Why, for what purpose, does Lincoln need to consult such a map? Is this an apocryphal myth, or was I asleep in class that day?

    ” Why, for what purpose, does Lincoln need to consult such a map?”

    Maybe so he would know which geographical assignments to give to his generals.

  146. …it really all comes down to genetics

    The working assumption is that things are 50-50 nature/nurture.

    China in the 1950s was a dreary place thanks to the policies of Mao et al.

    Today it is nicer; not so much from better genetics, but from better policy.

  147. The logical conclusion of Chetty’s “Research” is for the government to force White girls to join harems with Black dudes and watch their offspring’s IQ rise. East Indians and Jews will be excluded because of the racism factor and all that. HBO and the rest of US Media have been pushing this for the last 20+ years.

  148. If Chetty and family were really smart and ambitious, they’d have been able to make it in India. Instead, they took their first opportunity to come to the already 1st world America where being an immigrant gets you bonus points over the natives and having well-credentialed parents is just that much more of a boost up the ladder.

    He should go back to India and fix that inequality but he won’t go back because like every Indian H1b visa worker I’ve ever met, he’s desperate to stay in the U.S. The honest ones will admit that our cleanliness and stable electricity/water make us seem like heaven compared to India. The dishonest Chetty’s act like we’re broke and need their special fixing.

    There’d be a lot more American upward mobility, even among the perpetual non-achievers if we brought back our menial jobs and sent home our cheap migrant workers. There – problem ameliorated to the extent possible in a free-ish society. Oh, and yank the welfare rug out from under the parasite class so hunger will propel them toward those tedious but easy jobs.

    • Replies: @Jester
    You mean multiculturism and diversity does not work ?

    Are you insinuating Sir that America was the best and greatest when we did not have all these people ( like Chetty) proffering their Ivy League advice to the "deplorable " rabble ?? I am shocked at your position !

    And if you take away welfare people will have to work which violates their human dignity and rights. We will also have fewer dark skinned Indians wondering aimlessly around our streets and sitting all day in the coffee shops talking some gibberish language on their $1200 cell phones.

    You will put the people in the welfare, food stamp printing, section 8 housing departments and coffee shops OUT OF WORK ! Surely that is not your base intention.

    One advantage though is that housing starts will increase since sometimes 3 to 4 indian families live in one house. A real estate agent told me he showed a house and the vendor must have forgotten to do a roll call on the family residents when they cleared out for the showing. Upon inspection of a walk in closet they found Great Grandpa from Bugaboo Province in India sleeping on a mattress on the floor. The whole place reeked of curry !

    So yes, we anxiously await future prognostications, mapping and waxing philosophical from Chetty and his ilk ! Without them and their sagacity I am convinced this country will collapse in a matter of days.
  149. @Reg Cæsar
    What is "wheatish", by the way? The Indian sperm banks push that trait.

    Wheatish? Didn’t they do that Teenage Dirtbag song?

  150. The last thing we need is another coolie untouchable telling us how to improve America.

    We already have enough of you here including your grandmothers, brothers, second and third cousins, aunts three times removed and step brother’s aunts’s great grandfather.

    Suggestion…go back to India and improve the vast slums there. When you are successful, you may return (although we would prefer you did not) and advise us how to get around the embedded quirks of other cultures here especially the African group.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
  151. @Bardon Kaldian
    All one needs are two c/p from earlier posts, one of them from AR, the other from CH.

    It basically is: whites can create sustainable modern culture & blacks- can't. As for the others, they deserve different analyses, but that's another point....


    Let’s consider your principles. Do you dream of a traditional, religious, free-market society with small government, low taxes, and no gun control, where same-sex marriage is illegal, and abortion, divorce, prostitution, and illegitimacy are scorned? There are such places: the tribal areas of Pakistan and Somalia.

    And what about countries that violate your principles – with high taxes, huge government, clogged markets, a weak church, strict gun control, and sexual license of all kinds? There’s Scandinavia. And yet if you had to leave the United States you’d much rather live in Denmark than in Waziristan.

    Do you see the pattern? Even when they violate your principles, white people build good societies. Even when they abide by your principles, non-whites usually don’t.

    Jared Taylor, 2015
     
    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/what_i_learned_in_peace_corps_in_africa_trump_is_right.html


    Three weeks after college, I flew to Senegal, West Africa, to run a community center in a rural town.
    Life was placid, with no danger, except to your health. That danger was considerable, because it was, in the words of the Peace Corps doctor, "a fecalized environment."

    In plain English: s--- is everywhere. People defecate on the open ground, and the feces is blown with the dust – onto you, your clothes, your food, the water. He warned us the first day of training: do not even touch water. Human feces carries parasites that bore through your skin and cause organ failure.
    ..............................

    Senegal was not a hellhole.
     
    Very poor people can lead happy, meaningful lives in their own cultures' terms. But they are not our terms. The excrement is the least of it. Our basic ideas of human relations, right and wrong, are incompatible.
    ...................................

    The longer I lived there, the more I understood: it became blindingly obvious that the Senegalese are not the same as us. The truths we hold to be self-evident are not evident to the Senegalese.
    How could they be? Their reality is totally different. You can't understand anything in Senegal using American terms.

    Take something as basic as family. Family was a few hundred people, extending out to second and third cousins. All the men in one generation were called "father." Senegalese are Muslim, with up to four wives. Girls had their clitorises cut off at puberty. (I witnessed this, at what I thought was going to be a nice coming-of-age ceremony, like a bat mitzvah or confirmation.) Sex, I was told, did not include kissing. Love and friendship in marriage were Western ideas. Fidelity was not a thing. Married women would have sex for a few cents to have cash for the market.

    ..................
    The Ten Commandments were not disobeyed – they were unknown. The value system was the exact opposite. You were supposed to steal everything you can to give to your own relatives. There are some Westernized Africans who try to rebel against the system. They fail.


     

    Noooooooooo ! I just cannot believe this ! Blacks can eff up everything they touch ? That is surprising news to me.

    Oh I forgot, they have already ruined all of the African countries that were handed over to them at independence with South Africa now the last one headed for the trash heap. Most of the West Indian islands are also dumps. And I forgot all our American cities that have black shit holes.

    Sorry, you were right. Their perspective is certainly ………… oh never mind !

  152. Jul 2, 2019 The Untold Story Behind USA’s Biggest Secret Deal – The Petrodollar $

    Mike Maloney has been giving updates on the ‘Death of the Global Dollar Standard’ since 2009…join him in this latest video as he discusses one of the biggest nails in the dollar’s coffin to date.

    Jun 1, 2019 Catherine Austin Fitts – Inflation is Already Here

    Just because trillions of dollars are “missing” and the federal budgets are now “secret” doesn’t mean you cannot see the effects of all the massive amounts of money created.

  153. “The end goal is the social equivalent of precision medicine: a method for diagnosing the particular weaknesses of a place and prescribing a set of treatments.”

    Why don’t these megalomaniacs drop dead? There’s a solution!

  154. @RoadWarrior
    In Charlotte, there are certainly areas of historic affluence, but also there are definite areas of Black middle/upper class that seem to be growing. The University area around UNCC is mostly middle class black and, it seems, Indian families. Lots of jobs for them in the banking sector.

    On the other hand, the murder count of 2019 is ALREADY higher than 2018 and crime is booming.

    The underlying causes would be an interesting case study, but safe to say the city governance and police/school leadership has followed a familiar trajectory.

    Those middle-class African-American jobs in the UNCC area were in call centers like Wachovia or TIAA. Those jobs are going to the Philippines via VOIP where people are willing to do jobs Americans won’t do(for slave wages).

  155. “the Chettiar caste, a mercantile group historically involved in banking”

    “a mercantile group historically involved in banking”

    Jews?

    Too funny. Images of the Raj. Lighter skin, big nose.

    Talk about “privilege”, the Indian caste system is the epitome. Lighter skin and European looks dominate.

    Ghandi was not upset about British racism towards Africans, he was pissed that “Colored” was bring applied to him and that he had to sit with the Africans on the train.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    Ghandi was not upset about British racism towards Africans, he was pissed that “Colored” was bring applied to him and that he had to sit with the Africans on the train.
     
    Yes, you are correct in that summation, as Gandhi made it explicitly clear to all the onlookers that his movement to liberate the Indians was seperate from that of the blacks, whom he considered ""kafirs", which is a perjorative for them. He wanted a different classification for Indians, one that wasn't "Coloured"
  156. @PhysicistDave
    Change that Matters wrote:

    The real point is this: ” The next step will be to find local interventions…”

    The arrogant migrant has found a solution, and like all “solutions” it will create more problems
     
    Of course, there is one "local intervention" that would really work: stop the murderous blacks from killing innocent blacks.

    The most destructive form of racism in this country is the elite white folks who just ignore black-on-black crime.

    If Trump really wanted to make a difference, he'd announce that one of this country's top priorities is to deal with black-on-black crime. Thee Left would try to roast him alive, but if he actually pulled it off, he might find a lot of black people would be appreciative.

    If Trump really wanted to make a difference, he’d announce that one of this country’s top priorities is to deal with black-on-black crime.

    OK, but short of house to house searches in the ghetto, what do you suggest? I am not trolling here; I just don’t think anybody knows how to solve this problem.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Ending welfare entitlements and exchanging voluntary permanent sterilization for reduced sentencing on non violent criminal convictions would be essential to starting this process.
    , @PhysicistDave
    Jim Don Bob wrote to me:


    [Dave] If Trump really wanted to make a difference, he’d announce that one of this country’s top priorities is to deal with black-on-black crime.
     
    [Jim]OK, but short of house to house searches in the ghetto, what do you suggest? I am not trolling here; I just don’t think anybody knows how to solve this problem.
     
    Well, I do not have any magic solution, of course: ultimately, we need a change in the culture, both in the black community and among the country as a whole.

    But, the President does have a "bully pulpit": more than anyone, he could start the discussion (if only Obama had had the guts!).

    For example, if I were in a position of public authority, I would announce that henceforward our national policy is that we will severely hurt anyone who intentionally, physically, seriously hurts an innocent person. The Constitution puts some limits on this (no "cruel and unusual punishment"), but, prior to 1960, we knew how to make the lives of violent criminals pretty miserable without violating the Constitution.

    E.g., you commit violent rape, then you don't get out of prison till you are too old to hurt anyone. You commit first-degree murder, then you never get out. Armed robbery -- we keep you in jail till you're beyond the age when males tend to be violent (fifty years old, perhaps).

    And, my prisons will be hellholes: we'll keep you alive, but just barely.

    No "three strikes you're out." One strike on an intentional violent crime that hurts an innocent person and it will be a very long time, if ever, before you are free to roam the streets again.

    Oh, and any home owner who shoots and kills a burglar, any victim of attempted rape who kills her assailant, each gets a million dollar reward.

    And, my crime-prevention plan would be just the beginning.

    End the reign of credentialism. Cut off every federal or state penny going to universities. Abolish the public schools. Make it expected for kids to start working as apprentices at real jobs around age 14 (this used to be the norm). The only kids who should be pursuing a formal, non-practical education beyond age 14 should be kids who need protracted training to be physicians, airline pilots, etc or spoiled rich brats who can afford to waste their time and their parents' money.

    And then I'd start going after the crony capitalism that oppresses ordinary people: I'd demolish the money and banking cartel, the medical and pharmaceutical cartel, the military-industrial complex, etc.

    I know a transformation like this will not happen overnight, though often change actually happens faster than people expect (e.g., slavery really was abolished almost overnight).

    But long-term changes start with laying out and talking about what needs to be done.

    This was a pretty good country in 1900, admittedly with some serious faults. There is no reason we cannot restore the good things about America that have been lost.

  157. @Gaius Gracchus
    Fascinating. Some researchers start with a destination and try to get their data to fit. Others analyze their data and see where it leads them. Jonathan Haidt is an example of the second type. The first type are either dishonest, poltical hacks, or IYI (intellectual yet idiots).

    Chetty is definitely of the first group and he doesn't seem to be a political hack or dishonest, so I guess he, in spite of his genes, is a IYI.

    Economics is a pseudoscience like all social “science”.

    Absent the magic of statistics to give an appearance of scientific method, they are just making it up to fit a narrative.

    The fact is a few, intertwined families hold most of the world’s wealth. World trade can have a major downturn and they still hold that wealth. They do not depend on paychecks nor dividends. They hold Trillions in real assets. Think about it. 2% annual interest on two trillion USD is one Million times the interest on two million dollars.

    Economists are jugglers and clowns who provide entertainment while the pickpockets work the crowd.

    The Federal Reserve employs economists, some with faulty models.

    • Replies: @OEMIKITLOB
    "Economics is a pseudoscience like all social “science”.

    Absent the magic of statistics to give an appearance of scientific method, they are just making it up to fit a narrative."


    Philosophy is a pseudoscience like all reasoning of propositions.

    Absent the magic of logic to give an appearance of scientific method, they are just making it up to fit a narrative.

    *Note*

    Not all economic schools of thought rely on statistics as the basis of their work (e.g. Austrians). This is not to say that statistics cannot or are not useful at times. Just pointing out a flaw in your reasoning.
  158. @Reg Cæsar
    What is "wheatish", by the way? The Indian sperm banks push that trait.

    In Spanish, trigueno means having skin the color of mature wheat, trigo. Not too dark, not too light.

  159. @Jim Don Bob

    If Trump really wanted to make a difference, he’d announce that one of this country’s top priorities is to deal with black-on-black crime.
     
    OK, but short of house to house searches in the ghetto, what do you suggest? I am not trolling here; I just don't think anybody knows how to solve this problem.

    Ending welfare entitlements and exchanging voluntary permanent sterilization for reduced sentencing on non violent criminal convictions would be essential to starting this process.

  160. @PhysicistDave
    Sadly, the American Founders, Adam Smith,, and most of our great-grandparents knew how to create a society that allowed people to get ahead:

    1) Reward people for producing goods and service that other people want to buy with their own money, rather then rewarding people for earning credentials, pushing paper, and manipulating words.

    2) Have the government get out of the way of people who do follow strategy 1.

    3) Put people who physically harm other people or other people's property in jail for a very long time.

    4) Celebrate a culture that encourages people to take responsibility for themselves and their families by following strategies 1, 2, and 3.

    Bonus point: Foreign adventures, wars, and militarism really do not tend to help a society embrace strategies 1 through 4.

    It's all really quite simple and fairly obvious to people of normal intelligence whose goal is for ordinary people to have good lives.

    Of course, if your goal is to exercise power over your fellow citizens, treat your fellow human beings with contempt, and achieve personal or national "glory" by engaging in destructive or murderous activities, then you would sort of want to follow the opposite strategy.

    Like most of the ruling elites in human history.

    The only other point I would add to this list is that early America had no central-banking system or unsound money (paper!) backed only by a government lick and a promise.

    The existence of both of these has contributed extensively to virtually destroying the average American.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @cassandra
    If what you say is true, then America was set up to self-destruct: both Revolutionary and Civil Wars were run off paper. It might be more informative to follow the money than the ideology.

    Inflation of the Revolutionary War Continental is a famous story. The debt for this paper was finally honored, but at such a late date that speculators were the ones to redeem them, profiting somewhat like vulture capitalists in contemporary national bankruptcies. Hamilton advocated that a central bank should be instituted to accept this debt and do a bail out.

    The Panic of 1837, according to some, was the stated revenge of Nicolas Biddle for Andrew Jackson's refusal to sign a new private bank charter. The "Wildcat Banks" were collatoral damage in this struggle.

    The purely fiat (paper) Greenback system successfully financed the North in the Civil War, thus successfully avoiding the usurious rates (~30% IIRC) offered by the international private banks of the time. Some implicate frustrated bankers in Lincloln's death; don't know. Greenbacks were issued up to 1865, but were in circulation much longer.

    Having a central bank to regulate currency doesn't seem such a bad idea to me, since there has to be some ability to react against speculation. Manipulation of the currency markets of southeast asia in the 90's exemplifies the danger. Paper isn't necessarily bad either. It can be printed and/or taxed out of existence as needed, while gold and silver can be and have been cornered in the market.

    The big question in my mind is why in the world we entrusted these functions to a profit-seeking, privately owned entity run by international owners, which is nearly unaccountable politically. It did have to be planned in secret and legislated over Christmas Eve.

    These issues are undeservedly below the radar of most Americans' knowledge of their history, including my own, and it's something I'm still trying to understand. Especially the political part, regarding who exactly was involved in the deals.
    , @PhysicistDave
    OEMIKITLOB wrote to me:

    The only other point I would add to this list is that early America had no central-banking system or unsound money (paper!) backed only by a government lick and a promise.
     
    Agreed.

    If I were running for federal office, my platform planks would be:

    -Peace
    -The Bill of Rights
    -A sound monetary and financial system
    -Low taxes
     
    I think the voters could fairly easily infer my positions on most other issues from that!
  161. Why isn’t this erudite genius not returning to Mother India?

    The streets need genius poop, too.

    • Replies: @nsa
    "Why isn't this erudite genius not (sic) returning to Mother India?"
    Real genii utilize the double negative to pencil out the actual intent or maybe you've been toking up this morning...right Orc? It's easy and almost unmanly for you and your fellow genius, Sailer, to pick off the obvious low hanging fruit....like an obscure hindu fraud or the belt of hopeless low grade African DNA stretching from East St. Louis all the way to Savannah. Why not summon up some testosterone and pluck the higher branches on the diversity tree....like the jew controlling American media, finance, and government? In Sailer's case it is obvious.....he resides in the San Fernando Valley, populated by the worst kind of striving west coast jew and ground zero for the jew dominated porn industry. He probably goes along to get along with his immediate neighbors. But what is your excuse, Orc?
    , @Republic
    Because it is a s*** hole
    , @Jester
    Yeah. He could map the slums of Calcutta say and suggest some economic plans for the countless beggars and street dwellers who urinate and defecate on the streets in full public view.

    Not to mention the Indian class system, acid throwing, rape and honour murders.

    This guy is tragically comic. When the British ran India the place functioned well. Now we got this monkey coming from a s/hole to tell us how he can improve the US.

    This coolie wanna be a white man with the elevator hairstyle must have eaten too much curry and rice and now we see the consequence.
  162. @PhysicistDave
    Sadly, the American Founders, Adam Smith,, and most of our great-grandparents knew how to create a society that allowed people to get ahead:

    1) Reward people for producing goods and service that other people want to buy with their own money, rather then rewarding people for earning credentials, pushing paper, and manipulating words.

    2) Have the government get out of the way of people who do follow strategy 1.

    3) Put people who physically harm other people or other people's property in jail for a very long time.

    4) Celebrate a culture that encourages people to take responsibility for themselves and their families by following strategies 1, 2, and 3.

    Bonus point: Foreign adventures, wars, and militarism really do not tend to help a society embrace strategies 1 through 4.

    It's all really quite simple and fairly obvious to people of normal intelligence whose goal is for ordinary people to have good lives.

    Of course, if your goal is to exercise power over your fellow citizens, treat your fellow human beings with contempt, and achieve personal or national "glory" by engaging in destructive or murderous activities, then you would sort of want to follow the opposite strategy.

    Like most of the ruling elites in human history.

    Have the government get out of the way of people who do follow strategy 1.

    Just wondering whether actions like Washington’s suppression of the Whiskey Rebellion helped or hurt the program…

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    Cassandra wrote to me:

    Just wondering whether actions like Washington’s suppression of the Whiskey Rebellion helped or hurt the program…
     
    I'm not that big a fan of General Washington, though of course I admire hsi physical courage. And, I suppose if we want to be generous, we can blame the whole Whiskey Rebellion affair on Alexander Hamilton.

    (I'm really not a fan of Hamilton: although, again, I concede his intelligence and physical courage.)
  163. @SaneClownPosse
    "the Chettiar caste, a mercantile group historically involved in banking"

    "a mercantile group historically involved in banking"

    Jews?

    Too funny. Images of the Raj. Lighter skin, big nose.

    Talk about "privilege", the Indian caste system is the epitome. Lighter skin and European looks dominate.

    Ghandi was not upset about British racism towards Africans, he was pissed that "Colored" was bring applied to him and that he had to sit with the Africans on the train.

    Ghandi was not upset about British racism towards Africans, he was pissed that “Colored” was bring applied to him and that he had to sit with the Africans on the train.

    Yes, you are correct in that summation, as Gandhi made it explicitly clear to all the onlookers that his movement to liberate the Indians was seperate from that of the blacks, whom he considered “”kafirs”, which is a perjorative for them. He wanted a different classification for Indians, one that wasn’t “Coloured”

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    He wanted a different classification for Indians, one that wasn’t “Coloured”
     
    And what, pray, did he find objectionable about yer average Tommy's classification of all his kind (and near-kind) as "Wogs"?
    We still use it, and accurately.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s4BqzHEK6o
  164. When America didn’t have these geniuses getting paid to come up with these harebrained ideas, the country became incredible wealthy even for the lower classes, now, since all of these educators, economists, and progressives started to influence politics, the standard of living has declined for the large majority.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  165. nsa says:
    @Sick of Orcs
    Why isn't this erudite genius not returning to Mother India?

    The streets need genius poop, too.

    “Why isn’t this erudite genius not (sic) returning to Mother India?”
    Real genii utilize the double negative to pencil out the actual intent or maybe you’ve been toking up this morning…right Orc? It’s easy and almost unmanly for you and your fellow genius, Sailer, to pick off the obvious low hanging fruit….like an obscure hindu fraud or the belt of hopeless low grade African DNA stretching from East St. Louis all the way to Savannah. Why not summon up some testosterone and pluck the higher branches on the diversity tree….like the jew controlling American media, finance, and government? In Sailer’s case it is obvious…..he resides in the San Fernando Valley, populated by the worst kind of striving west coast jew and ground zero for the jew dominated porn industry. He probably goes along to get along with his immediate neighbors. But what is your excuse, Orc?

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
    “Why isn’t this erudite genius not (sic) returning to Mother India?”

    Real genii utilize the double negative to pencil out the actual intent or maybe you’ve been toking up this morning…right Orc?
     
    The name is Sick of Orcs, not "Orc," and I find your indignation at a simple grammatical mistake hilarious, it's what makes for great comedy. Go ape-poop over little things like grammar, yawn over forced association by government stormtroopers.

    It’s easy and almost unmanly for you and your fellow genius, Sailer, to pick off the obvious low hanging fruit….like an obscure hindu fraud or the belt of hopeless low grade African DNA stretching from East St. Louis all the way to Savannah.
     
    That was the topic this time.

    Why not summon up some testosterone and pluck the higher branches on the diversity tree….like the jew controlling American media, finance, and government?
     
    Why do you want me to do it? Just because you're doing it?

    In Sailer’s case it is obvious…..he resides in the San Fernando Valley, populated by the worst kind of striving west coast jew and ground zero for the jew dominated porn industry. He probably goes along to get along with his immediate neighbors. But what is your excuse, Orc?
     
    Everyone here has a different viewpoint and differing interests. Celebrate Diversity!

    I'm not that acquainted with the personalities here, including Mr. Sailer's body of work, but I do enjoy a good column.

    More to your point, I've observed that once "Alt-Right" celebrities have a large-enough audience and can get even moderately paid, they do tread more lightly, mostly because larger audiences equals greater ignorance. While the very existence of the JQ is still unknown to most Whites, they do know that questioning certain forces or saying certain words is bad.

    Colin Flaherty has an impressive body of work exposing orc crime and the governments and media covering it up. He is already a sizable thorn in the arse of the illicit Powers That Be. Do we need him to additonally address the JQ to be effective?
  166. @SaneClownPosse
    Economics is a pseudoscience like all social "science".

    Absent the magic of statistics to give an appearance of scientific method, they are just making it up to fit a narrative.

    The fact is a few, intertwined families hold most of the world's wealth. World trade can have a major downturn and they still hold that wealth. They do not depend on paychecks nor dividends. They hold Trillions in real assets. Think about it. 2% annual interest on two trillion USD is one Million times the interest on two million dollars.

    Economists are jugglers and clowns who provide entertainment while the pickpockets work the crowd.

    The Federal Reserve employs economists, some with faulty models.

    “Economics is a pseudoscience like all social “science”.

    Absent the magic of statistics to give an appearance of scientific method, they are just making it up to fit a narrative.”

    Philosophy is a pseudoscience like all reasoning of propositions.

    Absent the magic of logic to give an appearance of scientific method, they are just making it up to fit a narrative.

    *Note*

    Not all economic schools of thought rely on statistics as the basis of their work (e.g. Austrians). This is not to say that statistics cannot or are not useful at times. Just pointing out a flaw in your reasoning.

  167. I wrote this in May of 2017 about Raj Chetty:

    Chetty is a bouncing betty bullshit artist in regards to race and ancestry. These non-European clowns are never going to understand the historic American nation. That is why over-educated apes like Chetty want to destroy the historic American nation with mass immigration.

    The United States is a European Christian nation-state. The ancestral core of the United States is European Christian. Chetty and his obtuse, anti-White crap is getting annoying. Someone ask Chetty why he supports mass immigration. I have noticed that these celebrities of the ruling class like Chetty don’t like to be asked about their support for mass immigration when they are in public and the cameras are on.

  168. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "The most destructive form of racism in this country is the elite white folks who just ignore black-on-black crime."

    No, the most destructive form of racism in this country are the elites - a combination of jews and whites - who actively work to turn the working class white population of this country into a permanent servant class.

    Some of your points would be better received if you'd cut out the negro pity. Pretty much the entire city government of Chicago and Baltimore is made up of blacks, including the mayors, police chiefs, and states attorneys. I don't hear them saying anything about black on black violence.

    MikeatMikedotMike wrote:

    No, the most destructive form of racism in this country are the elites – a combination of jews and whites – who actively work to turn the working class white population of this country into a permanent servant class.

    Well, in the larger perspective, it’s all part of the same process: largely white (both Gentile and Jewish) elites with some token minority members abuse and exploit ordinary people of all races — black, white, Hispanic, Asian, or whatever.

    However, I’m not sure it is a reasonable use of language to call the abuse of the white working class “racism”: it is simply evil, just because it is evil to abuse innocent people of any race or social class.

    Mike also wrote:

    Some of your points would be better received if you’d cut out the negro pity. Pretty much the entire city government of Chicago and Baltimore is made up of blacks, including the mayors, police chiefs, and states attorneys. I don’t hear them saying anything about black on black violence.

    Yeah, the “official” black elite are just as corrupt and abusive as the mainstream white elite. I do not think, however, that this should reduce sympathy for the decent black folks who are the victims of those elites. (In fairness, there are of course blacks, such as Thomas Sowell, John McWhorter, Clarence Thomas, et al. who are speaking out for the truth. But, of course, the ruling elite denies such people the title of spokesmen for blacks.)

    I don’t think we should accept the false dichotomy of either we sympathize with the abused white working class or we sympathize with innocent abused black folks.

    It is really one injustice: decent people of all races who are abused and oppressed by the ruling elite.

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    "However, I’m not sure it is a reasonable use of language to call the abuse of the white working class “racism”"

    If the deliberate effort to drive down the white population and replace them with foreigners isn't what is commonly defined as racism, then nothing is. Wait I forgot; there's no such thing as racism against whites.

    "Yeah, the “official” black elite are just as corrupt and abusive as the mainstream white elite. I do not think, however, that this should reduce sympathy for the decent black folks who are the victims of those elites. (In fairness, there are of course blacks, such as Thomas Sowell, John McWhorter, Clarence Thomas, et al. who are speaking out for the truth. But, of course, the ruling elite denies such people the title of spokesmen for blacks.)"

    Look, I don't really care to get into a long back and forth that descends into insults, but I don't subscribe to altruism. But also I never said recognizing where the worst racism in our country means reduced sympathy for someone else. Even so the people most responsible for the current predicament blacks in the US find themselves in are blacks.

    "I don’t think we should accept the false dichotomy..."

    I never presented it.

    "It is really one injustice: decent people of all races who are abused and oppressed by the ruling elite."

    A trillion dollars has been taken from the productivity of whites and put right into the hands of blacks over the last 50 years. Not only have blacks squandered it, but they possess the audacity to demand more. Who exactly is being abused again?

    The only cruelty blacks suffer from is the expectation that they function adequately (as a group) in a western civilization. How's that working out for them and everyone else? (Hint: Badly)
  169. @Jim Don Bob

    If Trump really wanted to make a difference, he’d announce that one of this country’s top priorities is to deal with black-on-black crime.
     
    OK, but short of house to house searches in the ghetto, what do you suggest? I am not trolling here; I just don't think anybody knows how to solve this problem.

    Jim Don Bob wrote to me:

    [Dave] If Trump really wanted to make a difference, he’d announce that one of this country’s top priorities is to deal with black-on-black crime.

    [Jim]OK, but short of house to house searches in the ghetto, what do you suggest? I am not trolling here; I just don’t think anybody knows how to solve this problem.

    Well, I do not have any magic solution, of course: ultimately, we need a change in the culture, both in the black community and among the country as a whole.

    But, the President does have a “bully pulpit”: more than anyone, he could start the discussion (if only Obama had had the guts!).

    For example, if I were in a position of public authority, I would announce that henceforward our national policy is that we will severely hurt anyone who intentionally, physically, seriously hurts an innocent person. The Constitution puts some limits on this (no “cruel and unusual punishment”), but, prior to 1960, we knew how to make the lives of violent criminals pretty miserable without violating the Constitution.

    E.g., you commit violent rape, then you don’t get out of prison till you are too old to hurt anyone. You commit first-degree murder, then you never get out. Armed robbery — we keep you in jail till you’re beyond the age when males tend to be violent (fifty years old, perhaps).

    And, my prisons will be hellholes: we’ll keep you alive, but just barely.

    No “three strikes you’re out.” One strike on an intentional violent crime that hurts an innocent person and it will be a very long time, if ever, before you are free to roam the streets again.

    Oh, and any home owner who shoots and kills a burglar, any victim of attempted rape who kills her assailant, each gets a million dollar reward.

    And, my crime-prevention plan would be just the beginning.

    End the reign of credentialism. Cut off every federal or state penny going to universities. Abolish the public schools. Make it expected for kids to start working as apprentices at real jobs around age 14 (this used to be the norm). The only kids who should be pursuing a formal, non-practical education beyond age 14 should be kids who need protracted training to be physicians, airline pilots, etc or spoiled rich brats who can afford to waste their time and their parents’ money.

    And then I’d start going after the crony capitalism that oppresses ordinary people: I’d demolish the money and banking cartel, the medical and pharmaceutical cartel, the military-industrial complex, etc.

    I know a transformation like this will not happen overnight, though often change actually happens faster than people expect (e.g., slavery really was abolished almost overnight).

    But long-term changes start with laying out and talking about what needs to be done.

    This was a pretty good country in 1900, admittedly with some serious faults. There is no reason we cannot restore the good things about America that have been lost.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Jester
    I could not agree with you more but I would like to suggest a a modification:

    1. Abolish first, second and third degree murder. Forget about murder under the influence. If you kill, the punishment is execution
    2. For rape the penalty is execution
    3. Any other crime using a weapon ? The death penalty. This means if you hold up with a paperclip you are going down and that includes the person who provided the getaway car
    4 . For all other crimes you get the whip like they do in Singapore and if you are an immigrant, after your lashes ICE will pull up ALL related family members and deport the whole lot.


    To show you are not fking around all those presently on death row will be cleaned out and potential bad boys warned.

    I ask myself, would anyone murder, rape, assault or break into the house of say Carlo Gambino when he was alive ? Or any one of his associates ? These bastards do what they do because the penalties are light.

    And yes, apprentices from the age of 14. These days there are far to many of this age who are busy doing nothing. The Germans of the AH period had it right with the youth programs.

    Our problems in this country would come to a swift end....almost overnight.

    You are right. My aunt used to live in an area with an "American Graffitti" malt shop and juke box and drive in burger restaurant. You could have your malt or burger at 2 in the morning and walk home with your money hanging out of your pocket. Today it is a teeming slum with blacks killing each other, the police chasing bandits through the hood and the malt shop is a dismal shady convenience store where shady people hang out. Funny enough, is that where other residents get mugged and homes get broken into, the owner of the store is a hardened con who used carpenter tools on some stick up bandits. Did I mention the store has no alarm system or bars over the windows or door??

    Those days are gone and it will need a ruthless and merciless man to bring them back. Unfortunately, even if he exists he is stymied by the system. Unfortunately the people who are part of the fruitcake ruling elite live in elite gated compounds and tool around with a contingent off beefy bodyguards.

    They can advocate whatever they want as it is the common citizen and not them who bear the brunt of the scum of society.
  170. @cassandra

    Have the government get out of the way of people who do follow strategy 1.
     
    Just wondering whether actions like Washington's suppression of the Whiskey Rebellion helped or hurt the program...

    Cassandra wrote to me:

    Just wondering whether actions like Washington’s suppression of the Whiskey Rebellion helped or hurt the program…

    I’m not that big a fan of General Washington, though of course I admire hsi physical courage. And, I suppose if we want to be generous, we can blame the whole Whiskey Rebellion affair on Alexander Hamilton.

    (I’m really not a fan of Hamilton: although, again, I concede his intelligence and physical courage.)

  171. @PhysicistDave
    MikeatMikedotMike wrote:

    No, the most destructive form of racism in this country are the elites – a combination of jews and whites – who actively work to turn the working class white population of this country into a permanent servant class.
     
    Well, in the larger perspective, it's all part of the same process: largely white (both Gentile and Jewish) elites with some token minority members abuse and exploit ordinary people of all races -- black, white, Hispanic, Asian, or whatever.

    However, I'm not sure it is a reasonable use of language to call the abuse of the white working class "racism": it is simply evil, just because it is evil to abuse innocent people of any race or social class.

    Mike also wrote:

    Some of your points would be better received if you’d cut out the negro pity. Pretty much the entire city government of Chicago and Baltimore is made up of blacks, including the mayors, police chiefs, and states attorneys. I don’t hear them saying anything about black on black violence.
     
    Yeah, the "official" black elite are just as corrupt and abusive as the mainstream white elite. I do not think, however, that this should reduce sympathy for the decent black folks who are the victims of those elites. (In fairness, there are of course blacks, such as Thomas Sowell, John McWhorter, Clarence Thomas, et al. who are speaking out for the truth. But, of course, the ruling elite denies such people the title of spokesmen for blacks.)

    I don't think we should accept the false dichotomy of either we sympathize with the abused white working class or we sympathize with innocent abused black folks.

    It is really one injustice: decent people of all races who are abused and oppressed by the ruling elite.

    “However, I’m not sure it is a reasonable use of language to call the abuse of the white working class “racism””

    If the deliberate effort to drive down the white population and replace them with foreigners isn’t what is commonly defined as racism, then nothing is. Wait I forgot; there’s no such thing as racism against whites.

    “Yeah, the “official” black elite are just as corrupt and abusive as the mainstream white elite. I do not think, however, that this should reduce sympathy for the decent black folks who are the victims of those elites. (In fairness, there are of course blacks, such as Thomas Sowell, John McWhorter, Clarence Thomas, et al. who are speaking out for the truth. But, of course, the ruling elite denies such people the title of spokesmen for blacks.)”

    Look, I don’t really care to get into a long back and forth that descends into insults, but I don’t subscribe to altruism. But also I never said recognizing where the worst racism in our country means reduced sympathy for someone else. Even so the people most responsible for the current predicament blacks in the US find themselves in are blacks.

    “I don’t think we should accept the false dichotomy…”

    I never presented it.

    “It is really one injustice: decent people of all races who are abused and oppressed by the ruling elite.”

    A trillion dollars has been taken from the productivity of whites and put right into the hands of blacks over the last 50 years. Not only have blacks squandered it, but they possess the audacity to demand more. Who exactly is being abused again?

    The only cruelty blacks suffer from is the expectation that they function adequately (as a group) in a western civilization. How’s that working out for them and everyone else? (Hint: Badly)

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    That trillion dollars squandered interests me. In Australia we squander money with great diversity, and blind piety, but two of the objects of the wasted money are Aborigines and refugees from incompatible backgrounds. Compared with US problems the waste is trivial but I would be interested to know how you calculate that "trillion dollars", or where you find it reliably sourced.
    , @PhysicistDave
    MikeatMikedotMike wrote to me:

    If the deliberate effort to drive down the white population and replace them with foreigners isn’t what is commonly defined as racism, then nothing is. Wait I forgot; there’s no such thing as racism against whites.
     
    I see your point. But, I've had quite a few black friends, coworkers, neighbors, fellow students, etc. who were not for that at all.

    In fact, the people who are primarily pushing that are the white ruling elite and their white SJW friends. It's elite white folks who really hate the white working class, more than most blacks.

    So, is the ruling white elite "racist," "classist," or just plain evil, like most ruling elites throughout history?

    Yeah, they pretend to like non-Asain minorities more than the white working class, but that is all just a con game: they are just using lower-class blacks to maintian their own power.

    In truth, the ruling elite despises most of their fellow citizens of all races. Which is pretty contemptible.

    Mike also wrote:

    A trillion dollars has been taken from the productivity of whites and put right into the hands of blacks over the last 50 years. Not only have blacks squandered it, but they possess the audacity to demand more. Who exactly is being abused again?
     
    Read Tom Wolfe's brilliant essay, "Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers." An awful lot of that poverty money ended up in the hands of middle-class white social workers, consultants, etc.
  172. @OEMIKITLOB
    The only other point I would add to this list is that early America had no central-banking system or unsound money (paper!) backed only by a government lick and a promise.

    The existence of both of these has contributed extensively to virtually destroying the average American.

    If what you say is true, then America was set up to self-destruct: both Revolutionary and Civil Wars were run off paper. It might be more informative to follow the money than the ideology.

    Inflation of the Revolutionary War Continental is a famous story. The debt for this paper was finally honored, but at such a late date that speculators were the ones to redeem them, profiting somewhat like vulture capitalists in contemporary national bankruptcies. Hamilton advocated that a central bank should be instituted to accept this debt and do a bail out.

    The Panic of 1837, according to some, was the stated revenge of Nicolas Biddle for Andrew Jackson’s refusal to sign a new private bank charter. The “Wildcat Banks” were collatoral damage in this struggle.

    The purely fiat (paper) Greenback system successfully financed the North in the Civil War, thus successfully avoiding the usurious rates (~30% IIRC) offered by the international private banks of the time. Some implicate frustrated bankers in Lincloln’s death; don’t know. Greenbacks were issued up to 1865, but were in circulation much longer.

    Having a central bank to regulate currency doesn’t seem such a bad idea to me, since there has to be some ability to react against speculation. Manipulation of the currency markets of southeast asia in the 90’s exemplifies the danger. Paper isn’t necessarily bad either. It can be printed and/or taxed out of existence as needed, while gold and silver can be and have been cornered in the market.

    The big question in my mind is why in the world we entrusted these functions to a profit-seeking, privately owned entity run by international owners, which is nearly unaccountable politically. It did have to be planned in secret and legislated over Christmas Eve.

    These issues are undeservedly below the radar of most Americans’ knowledge of their history, including my own, and it’s something I’m still trying to understand. Especially the political part, regarding who exactly was involved in the deals.

  173. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Ghandi was not upset about British racism towards Africans, he was pissed that “Colored” was bring applied to him and that he had to sit with the Africans on the train.
     
    Yes, you are correct in that summation, as Gandhi made it explicitly clear to all the onlookers that his movement to liberate the Indians was seperate from that of the blacks, whom he considered ""kafirs", which is a perjorative for them. He wanted a different classification for Indians, one that wasn't "Coloured"

    He wanted a different classification for Indians, one that wasn’t “Coloured”

    And what, pray, did he find objectionable about yer average Tommy’s classification of all his kind (and near-kind) as “Wogs”?
    We still use it, and accurately.

  174. @Sick of Orcs
    Why isn't this erudite genius not returning to Mother India?

    The streets need genius poop, too.

    Because it is a s*** hole

  175. “It was shocking,” says Brian Collier, an executive vice president of the Foundation for the Carolinas

    One important tactic for Harvard to achieve White Genocide in the American South is gathering the support of Gullible Goyim. Luckily, there are a myriad of marks who can be found for a salary of, perhaps, $95,000 per year (Bubkes!) plus benefits plus favorable placement in elite periodicals.

  176. There are places like East Forest in cities around the country.

    Uh … working classes neighborhoods that have managed to stay white?

  177. Let me see if I understand this.

    If you relocate people young enough to better environments and they actually engage the same, you see benefits with one or two generations. That ten years is not enough to calculate the effect of the environmental change, at least in this neighborhood.

    Sound like it makes sense to me.

    That busing children alone is insufficient to the goal.

    That makes sense as well.

  178. @OEMIKITLOB
    The only other point I would add to this list is that early America had no central-banking system or unsound money (paper!) backed only by a government lick and a promise.

    The existence of both of these has contributed extensively to virtually destroying the average American.

    OEMIKITLOB wrote to me:

    The only other point I would add to this list is that early America had no central-banking system or unsound money (paper!) backed only by a government lick and a promise.

    Agreed.

    If I were running for federal office, my platform planks would be:

    -Peace
    -The Bill of Rights
    -A sound monetary and financial system
    -Low taxes

    I think the voters could fairly easily infer my positions on most other issues from that!

  179. anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude
    A lot of Indians vocally tend to reject the principles of the caste system, but they display private appreciation when they are around close friends, and they tend to exhibit a strong disdain for many of the low caste groups that they are "superior" to. I know of these attitudes because of my own experiences, and because of the recounts I heard from the many friends of my mother. Their support for this social ladder is inward, not outward. Gandhi, one of the most famous "egalitarians" himself was an avowed casteist, who rejected those same tenets in English publications that were read by the well-educated elite and the foreigners, but expressed continued support for the casteist mentality in Gujarati publications, or in private documents. This is why he had a falling out with Ambedkar, who despised the system because of the adversities he encountered frequently because was born as an "untouchable" (Dalit). He made many speeches on this, and he eschewed a lot of support for other religions, namely Buddhism even converting to it himself. Also, it has also occured to me that this is not a Hindu exclusive phenomena, as this casteist mentality is also quite pervasive within Christianity, Sikhism, and even Islam. I've heard plenty of tales of many Islamic leaders espousing these views of racial segregation, and how it may have been justified by scriptures by the disciples of Mohammad or whatever, and I've seen the same happening for Christianity, which professes itself on being equal, and a sort of brotherhood. My own mother herself conveyed many of the behaviours I speak of too, even though my parents were both Muslims

    I’ve heard plenty of tales of many Islamic leaders espousing these views of racial segregation, and how it may have been justified by scriptures by the disciples of Mohammad or whatever, and I’ve seen the same happening for Christianity, which professes itself on being equal, and a sort of brotherhood. My own mother herself conveyed many of the behaviours I speak of too, even though my parents were both Muslims

    Your wording implies hearsay. Who are these “Islamic leaders”?

    As for your personal experiences, you must have been around “muslims” who were “muslims” in name only. Sure, muslims from one group may choose to marry from a similar group (Urdu speaking, marrying other Urdu speakers, etc.), this is not because of some innate feeling of “casteism” or the desire for “segregation,” but simply a need for cultural continuity. This is quite natural in arranged marriages. Who wants additional hurdles in their marriages anyway (language, food, distance between native places, etc.)?

    What you claim above is clearly belied by Quranic verses and the Hadith.

    “O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female, and have made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Indeed the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted” [Quran 49:13]

    Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention ) said: “O mankind, your Lord is One and your father is one. You all descended from Aadam, and Aadam was created from earth. He is most honored among you in the sight of God who is most upright. No Arab is superior to a non-Arab, no colored person to a white person, or a white person to a colored person except by Taqwa (piety).” [Ahmad and At-Tirmithi ]

    https://www.islamweb.net/en/article/109364/equality-in-islam

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    In Practice they haven't exactly followed those teachings....I'll link the documentary...I'm sure those who have experienced it know better
  180. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "However, I’m not sure it is a reasonable use of language to call the abuse of the white working class “racism”"

    If the deliberate effort to drive down the white population and replace them with foreigners isn't what is commonly defined as racism, then nothing is. Wait I forgot; there's no such thing as racism against whites.

    "Yeah, the “official” black elite are just as corrupt and abusive as the mainstream white elite. I do not think, however, that this should reduce sympathy for the decent black folks who are the victims of those elites. (In fairness, there are of course blacks, such as Thomas Sowell, John McWhorter, Clarence Thomas, et al. who are speaking out for the truth. But, of course, the ruling elite denies such people the title of spokesmen for blacks.)"

    Look, I don't really care to get into a long back and forth that descends into insults, but I don't subscribe to altruism. But also I never said recognizing where the worst racism in our country means reduced sympathy for someone else. Even so the people most responsible for the current predicament blacks in the US find themselves in are blacks.

    "I don’t think we should accept the false dichotomy..."

    I never presented it.

    "It is really one injustice: decent people of all races who are abused and oppressed by the ruling elite."

    A trillion dollars has been taken from the productivity of whites and put right into the hands of blacks over the last 50 years. Not only have blacks squandered it, but they possess the audacity to demand more. Who exactly is being abused again?

    The only cruelty blacks suffer from is the expectation that they function adequately (as a group) in a western civilization. How's that working out for them and everyone else? (Hint: Badly)

    That trillion dollars squandered interests me. In Australia we squander money with great diversity, and blind piety, but two of the objects of the wasted money are Aborigines and refugees from incompatible backgrounds. Compared with US problems the waste is trivial but I would be interested to know how you calculate that “trillion dollars”, or where you find it reliably sourced.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    The cost of implementing No Child Left Behind by itself was in the neighborhood of 150 billion. I was admittedly taking a guess, but if you wanted to go back and add up total diverted tax dollars to inner city education, welfare entitlements and healthcare since 1965, you certainly don't need my permission to peruse the old internawebs if you feel the number is inflated. 1 trillion seems to be a low estimate.

    But it's beside the point I was making.
  181. 1) when you look at top ranked economist for the last 10 years from repec – wich is the best predictor of Nobel Prize – you see that people who push environmental causes Toni equality (institutional or capital endowment) are the top ranked : Acemoglu, Baez, Chetty. The Mankiw and Shleifer are being replaced by non individualistic criteria. No one would use « your » HBD like a non individualist parameter to add to the individualistic criteria. Not even try ….

    https://ideas.repec.org/top/top.person.alldetail10.html

    2) in India, Reich says there are 8 000 jatis. The real ethnic group. One of his findings he doesn’t publicize : intellectuals tried to put the blame of Indian jatis on White people :

    « Between 1860 and 1920, the British segregated Indians by caste, granting administrative jobs and senior appointments only to Christians and people belonging to certain castes. » from Wikipedia.

    But Reich has proven by analyzing 250 random jatis that the endogamy is at least 2500 yo and has nothing to do with the Occidental people. One third of the population – wich is almost all non Dalit and Sudra people – are more homogeneous that ashkenazi jews or Finnish people. On average, 2 people in the same village from different Kati – even from the same caste level – are 3 times more different than a Scandinavian and a Sicilian.

    So he has shown an example of unduly blaming the Wasp for others doings … Reich is not to inclined on pointing out certain of his discoverings (and Svante Päabo) lessons.

  182. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "However, I’m not sure it is a reasonable use of language to call the abuse of the white working class “racism”"

    If the deliberate effort to drive down the white population and replace them with foreigners isn't what is commonly defined as racism, then nothing is. Wait I forgot; there's no such thing as racism against whites.

    "Yeah, the “official” black elite are just as corrupt and abusive as the mainstream white elite. I do not think, however, that this should reduce sympathy for the decent black folks who are the victims of those elites. (In fairness, there are of course blacks, such as Thomas Sowell, John McWhorter, Clarence Thomas, et al. who are speaking out for the truth. But, of course, the ruling elite denies such people the title of spokesmen for blacks.)"

    Look, I don't really care to get into a long back and forth that descends into insults, but I don't subscribe to altruism. But also I never said recognizing where the worst racism in our country means reduced sympathy for someone else. Even so the people most responsible for the current predicament blacks in the US find themselves in are blacks.

    "I don’t think we should accept the false dichotomy..."

    I never presented it.

    "It is really one injustice: decent people of all races who are abused and oppressed by the ruling elite."

    A trillion dollars has been taken from the productivity of whites and put right into the hands of blacks over the last 50 years. Not only have blacks squandered it, but they possess the audacity to demand more. Who exactly is being abused again?

    The only cruelty blacks suffer from is the expectation that they function adequately (as a group) in a western civilization. How's that working out for them and everyone else? (Hint: Badly)

    MikeatMikedotMike wrote to me:

    If the deliberate effort to drive down the white population and replace them with foreigners isn’t what is commonly defined as racism, then nothing is. Wait I forgot; there’s no such thing as racism against whites.

    I see your point. But, I’ve had quite a few black friends, coworkers, neighbors, fellow students, etc. who were not for that at all.

    In fact, the people who are primarily pushing that are the white ruling elite and their white SJW friends. It’s elite white folks who really hate the white working class, more than most blacks.

    So, is the ruling white elite “racist,” “classist,” or just plain evil, like most ruling elites throughout history?

    Yeah, they pretend to like non-Asain minorities more than the white working class, but that is all just a con game: they are just using lower-class blacks to maintian their own power.

    In truth, the ruling elite despises most of their fellow citizens of all races. Which is pretty contemptible.

    Mike also wrote:

    A trillion dollars has been taken from the productivity of whites and put right into the hands of blacks over the last 50 years. Not only have blacks squandered it, but they possess the audacity to demand more. Who exactly is being abused again?

    Read Tom Wolfe’s brilliant essay, “Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers.” An awful lot of that poverty money ended up in the hands of middle-class white social workers, consultants, etc.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Where do you place, how do you explain those whote people who get tangled up with the Scientology shysters? Or Primal Screaming, or, even more bizarre guru based cults like that round the Baghwan Sri Rajneesh who had acolytes at the Rajneeshpuram Pacific University [sic] (at what John Wayne knew as the Big Muddy Ranch in Oregon).

    I was reminded of these phenomena by a trailer for a documentary exposing Scientology (still sitting on $3 billion plus in assets even without Tom Cruise and John Travolta continuing to make fools of themselves as well rewarded PR flacks).

    As long ago as the 1960s the state of Victoria held a Royal Commission into Scientology with an excellent choice of Commissioner: an amiable superior court judge of conservative Catholic working class background who had studied law part time while a law clerk. The fact that he had eight children may have also served to fortify his common sense. The result was that Victoria passed the Psychological Practices Act which not only inhibited Scientology but also meant that a couple of unbalanced, though high IQ, relations of mine had to do their Primal Screaming in Sydney or California (though I met a medical psychiatrist in Victoria who was entitled as such to practice Primal Scream Therapy. He had some excuse because the damage done to his brain by oxygen deprivation in the womb meant that he could not read and had to have all the medical texts read to him).
    I wonder what Constitutional problems might have prevented such sensible legislation being passed by American states, as I presume to be the case. Even in Australia the law has been enough of an ass to allow the "Church of Scientology" to be treated as a religion for tax purposes! Scientology curiously is as unable to adapt to current fashions on the blessings of polyamory and, specifically, homosexuality, as any crew of Bible bashers. It may be on its last legs. Still the phenomenon of fashionable cultishness for not very bright whites will no doubt persist and find other outlets.

  183. Cassandra, quickly, I would strongly recommend and encourage you to read Murray Rothbard’s “A History of Money and Banking”, freely available in a variety of formats, here:

    https://mises.org/library/history-money-and-banking-united-states-colonial-era-world-war-ii

    And, also his “What Has Government Done To Our Money?”, also freely available in a variety of formats, here:

    https://mises.org/library/what-has-government-done-our-money

    I am particularly partial to the brilliant and illuminating first work but the second volume I linked to is a fine work also.

    Between the two I believe most every issue/subject you raised is more than adequately addressed.

  184. @PhysicistDave
    Jim Don Bob wrote to me:


    [Dave] If Trump really wanted to make a difference, he’d announce that one of this country’s top priorities is to deal with black-on-black crime.
     
    [Jim]OK, but short of house to house searches in the ghetto, what do you suggest? I am not trolling here; I just don’t think anybody knows how to solve this problem.
     
    Well, I do not have any magic solution, of course: ultimately, we need a change in the culture, both in the black community and among the country as a whole.

    But, the President does have a "bully pulpit": more than anyone, he could start the discussion (if only Obama had had the guts!).

    For example, if I were in a position of public authority, I would announce that henceforward our national policy is that we will severely hurt anyone who intentionally, physically, seriously hurts an innocent person. The Constitution puts some limits on this (no "cruel and unusual punishment"), but, prior to 1960, we knew how to make the lives of violent criminals pretty miserable without violating the Constitution.

    E.g., you commit violent rape, then you don't get out of prison till you are too old to hurt anyone. You commit first-degree murder, then you never get out. Armed robbery -- we keep you in jail till you're beyond the age when males tend to be violent (fifty years old, perhaps).

    And, my prisons will be hellholes: we'll keep you alive, but just barely.

    No "three strikes you're out." One strike on an intentional violent crime that hurts an innocent person and it will be a very long time, if ever, before you are free to roam the streets again.

    Oh, and any home owner who shoots and kills a burglar, any victim of attempted rape who kills her assailant, each gets a million dollar reward.

    And, my crime-prevention plan would be just the beginning.

    End the reign of credentialism. Cut off every federal or state penny going to universities. Abolish the public schools. Make it expected for kids to start working as apprentices at real jobs around age 14 (this used to be the norm). The only kids who should be pursuing a formal, non-practical education beyond age 14 should be kids who need protracted training to be physicians, airline pilots, etc or spoiled rich brats who can afford to waste their time and their parents' money.

    And then I'd start going after the crony capitalism that oppresses ordinary people: I'd demolish the money and banking cartel, the medical and pharmaceutical cartel, the military-industrial complex, etc.

    I know a transformation like this will not happen overnight, though often change actually happens faster than people expect (e.g., slavery really was abolished almost overnight).

    But long-term changes start with laying out and talking about what needs to be done.

    This was a pretty good country in 1900, admittedly with some serious faults. There is no reason we cannot restore the good things about America that have been lost.

    I could not agree with you more but I would like to suggest a a modification:

    1. Abolish first, second and third degree murder. Forget about murder under the influence. If you kill, the punishment is execution
    2. For rape the penalty is execution
    3. Any other crime using a weapon ? The death penalty. This means if you hold up with a paperclip you are going down and that includes the person who provided the getaway car
    4 . For all other crimes you get the whip like they do in Singapore and if you are an immigrant, after your lashes ICE will pull up ALL related family members and deport the whole lot.

    To show you are not fking around all those presently on death row will be cleaned out and potential bad boys warned.

    I ask myself, would anyone murder, rape, assault or break into the house of say Carlo Gambino when he was alive ? Or any one of his associates ? These bastards do what they do because the penalties are light.

    And yes, apprentices from the age of 14. These days there are far to many of this age who are busy doing nothing. The Germans of the AH period had it right with the youth programs.

    Our problems in this country would come to a swift end….almost overnight.

    You are right. My aunt used to live in an area with an “American Graffitti” malt shop and juke box and drive in burger restaurant. You could have your malt or burger at 2 in the morning and walk home with your money hanging out of your pocket. Today it is a teeming slum with blacks killing each other, the police chasing bandits through the hood and the malt shop is a dismal shady convenience store where shady people hang out. Funny enough, is that where other residents get mugged and homes get broken into, the owner of the store is a hardened con who used carpenter tools on some stick up bandits. Did I mention the store has no alarm system or bars over the windows or door??

    Those days are gone and it will need a ruthless and merciless man to bring them back. Unfortunately, even if he exists he is stymied by the system. Unfortunately the people who are part of the fruitcake ruling elite live in elite gated compounds and tool around with a contingent off beefy bodyguards.

    They can advocate whatever they want as it is the common citizen and not them who bear the brunt of the scum of society.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Good to know you have such faith in the law enforcement authorities. Maybe one should go for an even more efficient system and let the police just execute whoever they decide are villains, Brazilian style.
  185. @Sick of Orcs
    Why isn't this erudite genius not returning to Mother India?

    The streets need genius poop, too.

    Yeah. He could map the slums of Calcutta say and suggest some economic plans for the countless beggars and street dwellers who urinate and defecate on the streets in full public view.

    Not to mention the Indian class system, acid throwing, rape and honour murders.

    This guy is tragically comic. When the British ran India the place functioned well. Now we got this monkey coming from a s/hole to tell us how he can improve the US.

    This coolie wanna be a white man with the elevator hairstyle must have eaten too much curry and rice and now we see the consequence.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    When the British ran India the place functioned well.
     
    LOL it really didnt
  186. @skedaddle
    If Chetty and family were really smart and ambitious, they'd have been able to make it in India. Instead, they took their first opportunity to come to the already 1st world America where being an immigrant gets you bonus points over the natives and having well-credentialed parents is just that much more of a boost up the ladder.

    He should go back to India and fix that inequality but he won't go back because like every Indian H1b visa worker I've ever met, he's desperate to stay in the U.S. The honest ones will admit that our cleanliness and stable electricity/water make us seem like heaven compared to India. The dishonest Chetty's act like we're broke and need their special fixing.

    There'd be a lot more American upward mobility, even among the perpetual non-achievers if we brought back our menial jobs and sent home our cheap migrant workers. There - problem ameliorated to the extent possible in a free-ish society. Oh, and yank the welfare rug out from under the parasite class so hunger will propel them toward those tedious but easy jobs.

    You mean multiculturism and diversity does not work ?

    Are you insinuating Sir that America was the best and greatest when we did not have all these people ( like Chetty) proffering their Ivy League advice to the “deplorable ” rabble ?? I am shocked at your position !

    And if you take away welfare people will have to work which violates their human dignity and rights. We will also have fewer dark skinned Indians wondering aimlessly around our streets and sitting all day in the coffee shops talking some gibberish language on their $1200 cell phones.

    You will put the people in the welfare, food stamp printing, section 8 housing departments and coffee shops OUT OF WORK ! Surely that is not your base intention.

    One advantage though is that housing starts will increase since sometimes 3 to 4 indian families live in one house. A real estate agent told me he showed a house and the vendor must have forgotten to do a roll call on the family residents when they cleared out for the showing. Upon inspection of a walk in closet they found Great Grandpa from Bugaboo Province in India sleeping on a mattress on the floor. The whole place reeked of curry !

    So yes, we anxiously await future prognostications, mapping and waxing philosophical from Chetty and his ilk ! Without them and their sagacity I am convinced this country will collapse in a matter of days.

  187. @PhysicistDave
    MikeatMikedotMike wrote to me:

    If the deliberate effort to drive down the white population and replace them with foreigners isn’t what is commonly defined as racism, then nothing is. Wait I forgot; there’s no such thing as racism against whites.
     
    I see your point. But, I've had quite a few black friends, coworkers, neighbors, fellow students, etc. who were not for that at all.

    In fact, the people who are primarily pushing that are the white ruling elite and their white SJW friends. It's elite white folks who really hate the white working class, more than most blacks.

    So, is the ruling white elite "racist," "classist," or just plain evil, like most ruling elites throughout history?

    Yeah, they pretend to like non-Asain minorities more than the white working class, but that is all just a con game: they are just using lower-class blacks to maintian their own power.

    In truth, the ruling elite despises most of their fellow citizens of all races. Which is pretty contemptible.

    Mike also wrote:

    A trillion dollars has been taken from the productivity of whites and put right into the hands of blacks over the last 50 years. Not only have blacks squandered it, but they possess the audacity to demand more. Who exactly is being abused again?
     
    Read Tom Wolfe's brilliant essay, "Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers." An awful lot of that poverty money ended up in the hands of middle-class white social workers, consultants, etc.

    Where do you place, how do you explain those whote people who get tangled up with the Scientology shysters? Or Primal Screaming, or, even more bizarre guru based cults like that round the Baghwan Sri Rajneesh who had acolytes at the Rajneeshpuram Pacific University [sic] (at what John Wayne knew as the Big Muddy Ranch in Oregon).

    I was reminded of these phenomena by a trailer for a documentary exposing Scientology (still sitting on $3 billion plus in assets even without Tom Cruise and John Travolta continuing to make fools of themselves as well rewarded PR flacks).

    As long ago as the 1960s the state of Victoria held a Royal Commission into Scientology with an excellent choice of Commissioner: an amiable superior court judge of conservative Catholic working class background who had studied law part time while a law clerk. The fact that he had eight children may have also served to fortify his common sense. The result was that Victoria passed the Psychological Practices Act which not only inhibited Scientology but also meant that a couple of unbalanced, though high IQ, relations of mine had to do their Primal Screaming in Sydney or California (though I met a medical psychiatrist in Victoria who was entitled as such to practice Primal Scream Therapy. He had some excuse because the damage done to his brain by oxygen deprivation in the womb meant that he could not read and had to have all the medical texts read to him).
    I wonder what Constitutional problems might have prevented such sensible legislation being passed by American states, as I presume to be the case. Even in Australia the law has been enough of an ass to allow the “Church of Scientology” to be treated as a religion for tax purposes! Scientology curiously is as unable to adapt to current fashions on the blessings of polyamory and, specifically, homosexuality, as any crew of Bible bashers. It may be on its last legs. Still the phenomenon of fashionable cultishness for not very bright whites will no doubt persist and find other outlets.

  188. @nsa
    "Why isn't this erudite genius not (sic) returning to Mother India?"
    Real genii utilize the double negative to pencil out the actual intent or maybe you've been toking up this morning...right Orc? It's easy and almost unmanly for you and your fellow genius, Sailer, to pick off the obvious low hanging fruit....like an obscure hindu fraud or the belt of hopeless low grade African DNA stretching from East St. Louis all the way to Savannah. Why not summon up some testosterone and pluck the higher branches on the diversity tree....like the jew controlling American media, finance, and government? In Sailer's case it is obvious.....he resides in the San Fernando Valley, populated by the worst kind of striving west coast jew and ground zero for the jew dominated porn industry. He probably goes along to get along with his immediate neighbors. But what is your excuse, Orc?

    “Why isn’t this erudite genius not (sic) returning to Mother India?”

    Real genii utilize the double negative to pencil out the actual intent or maybe you’ve been toking up this morning…right Orc?

    The name is Sick of Orcs, not “Orc,” and I find your indignation at a simple grammatical mistake hilarious, it’s what makes for great comedy. Go ape-poop over little things like grammar, yawn over forced association by government stormtroopers.

    It’s easy and almost unmanly for you and your fellow genius, Sailer, to pick off the obvious low hanging fruit….like an obscure hindu fraud or the belt of hopeless low grade African DNA stretching from East St. Louis all the way to Savannah.

    That was the topic this time.

    Why not summon up some testosterone and pluck the higher branches on the diversity tree….like the jew controlling American media, finance, and government?

    Why do you want me to do it? Just because you’re doing it?

    In Sailer’s case it is obvious…..he resides in the San Fernando Valley, populated by the worst kind of striving west coast jew and ground zero for the jew dominated porn industry. He probably goes along to get along with his immediate neighbors. But what is your excuse, Orc?

    Everyone here has a different viewpoint and differing interests. Celebrate Diversity!

    I’m not that acquainted with the personalities here, including Mr. Sailer’s body of work, but I do enjoy a good column.

    More to your point, I’ve observed that once “Alt-Right” celebrities have a large-enough audience and can get even moderately paid, they do tread more lightly, mostly because larger audiences equals greater ignorance. While the very existence of the JQ is still unknown to most Whites, they do know that questioning certain forces or saying certain words is bad.

    Colin Flaherty has an impressive body of work exposing orc crime and the governments and media covering it up. He is already a sizable thorn in the arse of the illicit Powers That Be. Do we need him to additonally address the JQ to be effective?

  189. @Wizard of Oz
    That trillion dollars squandered interests me. In Australia we squander money with great diversity, and blind piety, but two of the objects of the wasted money are Aborigines and refugees from incompatible backgrounds. Compared with US problems the waste is trivial but I would be interested to know how you calculate that "trillion dollars", or where you find it reliably sourced.

    The cost of implementing No Child Left Behind by itself was in the neighborhood of 150 billion. I was admittedly taking a guess, but if you wanted to go back and add up total diverted tax dollars to inner city education, welfare entitlements and healthcare since 1965, you certainly don’t need my permission to peruse the old internawebs if you feel the number is inflated. 1 trillion seems to be a low estimate.

    But it’s beside the point I was making.

  190. @anonymous

    I’ve heard plenty of tales of many Islamic leaders espousing these views of racial segregation, and how it may have been justified by scriptures by the disciples of Mohammad or whatever, and I’ve seen the same happening for Christianity, which professes itself on being equal, and a sort of brotherhood. My own mother herself conveyed many of the behaviours I speak of too, even though my parents were both Muslims
     
    Your wording implies hearsay. Who are these "Islamic leaders"?

    As for your personal experiences, you must have been around "muslims" who were "muslims" in name only. Sure, muslims from one group may choose to marry from a similar group (Urdu speaking, marrying other Urdu speakers, etc.), this is not because of some innate feeling of "casteism" or the desire for "segregation," but simply a need for cultural continuity. This is quite natural in arranged marriages. Who wants additional hurdles in their marriages anyway (language, food, distance between native places, etc.)?

    What you claim above is clearly belied by Quranic verses and the Hadith.


    "O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female, and have made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Indeed the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted" [Quran 49:13]
     

    Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention ) said: "O mankind, your Lord is One and your father is one. You all descended from Aadam, and Aadam was created from earth. He is most honored among you in the sight of God who is most upright. No Arab is superior to a non-Arab, no colored person to a white person, or a white person to a colored person except by Taqwa (piety)." [Ahmad and At-Tirmithi ]
     
    https://www.islamweb.net/en/article/109364/equality-in-islam

    In Practice they haven’t exactly followed those teachings….I’ll link the documentary…I’m sure those who have experienced it know better

  191. @Jester
    Yeah. He could map the slums of Calcutta say and suggest some economic plans for the countless beggars and street dwellers who urinate and defecate on the streets in full public view.

    Not to mention the Indian class system, acid throwing, rape and honour murders.

    This guy is tragically comic. When the British ran India the place functioned well. Now we got this monkey coming from a s/hole to tell us how he can improve the US.

    This coolie wanna be a white man with the elevator hairstyle must have eaten too much curry and rice and now we see the consequence.

    When the British ran India the place functioned well.

    LOL it really didnt

    • Replies: @jester
    Coolie boy...I guess that is why you jumped the Canadian border running from India !

    Because it is run better now.

    Did the Indian government not wipe out a whole bunch of you dead beats, acid throwers, wife beaters and honour killers ?

    You must have been one of those fleeing better run India for the white man's country. Where in Canada do you live ?? In the Bramalea/ Brampton latrine hole ?
  192. @Jester
    I could not agree with you more but I would like to suggest a a modification:

    1. Abolish first, second and third degree murder. Forget about murder under the influence. If you kill, the punishment is execution
    2. For rape the penalty is execution
    3. Any other crime using a weapon ? The death penalty. This means if you hold up with a paperclip you are going down and that includes the person who provided the getaway car
    4 . For all other crimes you get the whip like they do in Singapore and if you are an immigrant, after your lashes ICE will pull up ALL related family members and deport the whole lot.


    To show you are not fking around all those presently on death row will be cleaned out and potential bad boys warned.

    I ask myself, would anyone murder, rape, assault or break into the house of say Carlo Gambino when he was alive ? Or any one of his associates ? These bastards do what they do because the penalties are light.

    And yes, apprentices from the age of 14. These days there are far to many of this age who are busy doing nothing. The Germans of the AH period had it right with the youth programs.

    Our problems in this country would come to a swift end....almost overnight.

    You are right. My aunt used to live in an area with an "American Graffitti" malt shop and juke box and drive in burger restaurant. You could have your malt or burger at 2 in the morning and walk home with your money hanging out of your pocket. Today it is a teeming slum with blacks killing each other, the police chasing bandits through the hood and the malt shop is a dismal shady convenience store where shady people hang out. Funny enough, is that where other residents get mugged and homes get broken into, the owner of the store is a hardened con who used carpenter tools on some stick up bandits. Did I mention the store has no alarm system or bars over the windows or door??

    Those days are gone and it will need a ruthless and merciless man to bring them back. Unfortunately, even if he exists he is stymied by the system. Unfortunately the people who are part of the fruitcake ruling elite live in elite gated compounds and tool around with a contingent off beefy bodyguards.

    They can advocate whatever they want as it is the common citizen and not them who bear the brunt of the scum of society.

    Good to know you have such faith in the law enforcement authorities. Maybe one should go for an even more efficient system and let the police just execute whoever they decide are villains, Brazilian style.

    • Replies: @jester
    Wizard..looks like your name belies your intelligence. Once the courts pronounce sentence you are punished. You may be all for the felons until YOU are the victim of the crime. Then you wont be so wishy washy. As for Brazil, I lived there for many years. Believe it or not the safest area was the Favela because once you stepped out of line there the drug lords wiped you out. However the current president is now authorizing the police and army to wipe out the criminals. Me personally, I would live any day on the same street as the Gotti family. Until the system starts eliminating these guys we must live with the constant criminality.............and the lop sided views of dunces like you !
  193. Raj Chetty needs to go back to India. They need more diversity there.

  194. @Wizard of Oz
    Good to know you have such faith in the law enforcement authorities. Maybe one should go for an even more efficient system and let the police just execute whoever they decide are villains, Brazilian style.

    Wizard..looks like your name belies your intelligence. Once the courts pronounce sentence you are punished. You may be all for the felons until YOU are the victim of the crime. Then you wont be so wishy washy. As for Brazil, I lived there for many years. Believe it or not the safest area was the Favela because once you stepped out of line there the drug lords wiped you out. However the current president is now authorizing the police and army to wipe out the criminals. Me personally, I would live any day on the same street as the Gotti family. Until the system starts eliminating these guys we must live with the constant criminality………….and the lop sided views of dunces like you !

  195. @BengaliCanadianDude

    When the British ran India the place functioned well.
     
    LOL it really didnt

    Coolie boy…I guess that is why you jumped the Canadian border running from India !

    Because it is run better now.

    Did the Indian government not wipe out a whole bunch of you dead beats, acid throwers, wife beaters and honour killers ?

    You must have been one of those fleeing better run India for the white man’s country. Where in Canada do you live ?? In the Bramalea/ Brampton latrine hole ?

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    HAHA jester speaks like the average white trashionalist with his room temperature IQ. The indian man runs the show nowadays in the West, and Brampton is far better than the trailer trash infested hellholes like Thunder Bay, Winnipeg, and the many other cities in the Boonies that are garbage and trashy. Brampton is superior to all of em.
  196. You jest of course (that’s the more amiable form of trolling). But your pretence to rat cunning – of which I have had to acquire a smattering as if I had, let’s fantasize, been a CIA mole in the FBI – is unconvincing, in part because you clearly don’t have a clue what my views are.

  197. Anonymous[138] • Disclaimer says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude
    A lot of Indians vocally tend to reject the principles of the caste system, but they display private appreciation when they are around close friends, and they tend to exhibit a strong disdain for many of the low caste groups that they are "superior" to. I know of these attitudes because of my own experiences, and because of the recounts I heard from the many friends of my mother. Their support for this social ladder is inward, not outward. Gandhi, one of the most famous "egalitarians" himself was an avowed casteist, who rejected those same tenets in English publications that were read by the well-educated elite and the foreigners, but expressed continued support for the casteist mentality in Gujarati publications, or in private documents. This is why he had a falling out with Ambedkar, who despised the system because of the adversities he encountered frequently because was born as an "untouchable" (Dalit). He made many speeches on this, and he eschewed a lot of support for other religions, namely Buddhism even converting to it himself. Also, it has also occured to me that this is not a Hindu exclusive phenomena, as this casteist mentality is also quite pervasive within Christianity, Sikhism, and even Islam. I've heard plenty of tales of many Islamic leaders espousing these views of racial segregation, and how it may have been justified by scriptures by the disciples of Mohammad or whatever, and I've seen the same happening for Christianity, which professes itself on being equal, and a sort of brotherhood. My own mother herself conveyed many of the behaviours I speak of too, even though my parents were both Muslims
  198. @jester
    Coolie boy...I guess that is why you jumped the Canadian border running from India !

    Because it is run better now.

    Did the Indian government not wipe out a whole bunch of you dead beats, acid throwers, wife beaters and honour killers ?

    You must have been one of those fleeing better run India for the white man's country. Where in Canada do you live ?? In the Bramalea/ Brampton latrine hole ?

    HAHA jester speaks like the average white trashionalist with his room temperature IQ. The indian man runs the show nowadays in the West, and Brampton is far better than the trailer trash infested hellholes like Thunder Bay, Winnipeg, and the many other cities in the Boonies that are garbage and trashy. Brampton is superior to all of em.

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