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In The Atlantic, Franklin Foer explains that nostalgia for George H.W. Bush is anti-Semitic:

The Last WASP President

FRANKLIN FOER DEC 2, 2018 IDEAS

… But the encomiums for George H. W. Bush are coated in thick, water-beading layers of nostalgia. On the surface, obituaries for 41 carry the longing for a time when American politics was ruled by men of “high character” and a sense of “public duty,” the very antithesis of the present partisan era’s coarseness.

What goes unstated, however, is the subtext of that yearning. All the florid remembrances are packed with fondness for a bygone institution known as the Establishment, hardened in the cold of New England boarding schools, acculturated by the late-night rituals of Skull and Bones, sent off to the world with a sense of noblesse oblige.

Maybe the new elites should try a little noblesse oblige?

For more than a century, this Establishment resided at the top of the American caste system. Now it is gone, and apparently people wish it weren’t.

And what could be more anti-Semitic than that?

When George H. W. Bush passed, so did the last true wasp. In appearance, he embodied what The New York Times’ Alessandra Stanley once called “The Presidency by Ralph Lauren.” The evocation of the legendary fashion designer was a sly bit of sociology—the old American aristocracy was already in decline, since its aesthetic had been commodified (by none other than Ralph Lifshitz) and made accessible to all in the democracy of the shopping mall.

But George H. W. Bush came from an elite cluster; Harvard President Charles W. Eliot described them as the “superior families.” Bush’s ancestors did business with Rockefellers and Harrimans. In places like Newport and Kennebunkport, these families existed in an inbred world that for many decades self-consciously segregated itself by race, religion, and class.

Eh, sort of, sort of not. The Walkers and the Bushes were business families from the Midwest who moved to the northeast for opportunities. This talk of elites in the Old America as “inbred” obfuscates just how much careers were open to talents and how big the pool was that talent was drawn from. Foer, the co-editor of Jewish Jocks, is projecting a tad about how inbred GHW Bush was, as a look at the novels by his younger brother Jonathan Safran Foer about their ancestors might suggest.

Old Money was superior to New Money, because those born into their wealth had been groomed to have perfect manners. The sons of the American aristocracy were sent off to Wall Street, the Foreign Service, and the Senate.

One of the facts of this establishment is that it always worried about its imminent death. In his canonical memoir, Henry Adams, the descendant of presidents, worried that people like himself were disappearing in the tradition of the Indians and the buffalo. And there could be little doubt what a Brahmin such as Adams believed threatened the extinction of his kind. In 1907, he wrote about the worrying presence of immigrants; in particular, he described a “furtive Yacoob or Ysaac still reeking of the ghetto.”

George H. W. Bush had traces of this sense of superiority, with his relentless pursuit of dynastic governance. One can read this instinct as laudable: a father cultivating love of public service in his progeny. But there was a dangerous undercurrent, too. The nation needed the Bushes because of their breeding. Here was a family intent on preserving its place at the high table of American life.

I haven’t seen any mention of how the Bush Dynasty began preparing George P. Bush, Poppy’s “Little Brown One,” to carry on the dynasty in the new mestizo America they were helping forge. As far back as the 1988 convention, 10-year-old George P. led the Pledge of Allegiance.

One thing that made WASPs so successful at subverting and conquering places like Texas, California, and Hawaii was their canny use of intermarriage: they’d hop off a ship from Boston or New York, like the sunshine and find an indigenous landowner’s daughter to marry.

Barack Obama and George P. Bush are variations on this theme: Obama’s mom saw herself as a female version expanding America’s Cold War soft empire by marrying foreign elites, while George P. Bush was intended to reverse the process and be the nature leader of the newly imported Mexican-American voters.

The sociologist who coined the term wasp was a professor from the University of Pennsylvania with the perfect name, E. Digby Baltzell. … He predicted that with their prejudice and insularity, the members of this old aristocracy would find themselves in abeyance, pushed aside by more talented members of minority groups. …

I don’t mean to dismiss the wasp sense of duty. It was real, and quite often a force for good in the world. George H. W. Bush acquired a certain wisdom through his years of service: He showed a steady hand at world-historic moments and a tenacious commitment to diplomacy, and he displayed remarkable grace in defeat and often dealt with his political foes in uncommonly good faith. But sometimes nobody seemed to believe in George Bush’s best intentions more than himself—which meant that he couldn’t understand when people failed to forgive his most odious mistakes.

Foer, the former editor of The New Republic under Marty Peretz, goes on to explain that Bush was bad because Republicans are racist — see Willie Horton etc etc. But Jeremy Senderowicz has a good thread on how Jews like him despised GHW Bush for not being pro-Israel enough:

With the prestige of the Desert Storm victory, Bush and his secretary of state James Baker tried to restrain Israeli settlement building in the West Bank, which led to a collapse in Jewish support in 1992.

The neocons hated the Arabists — the descendants of Protestant missionary families who had founded the American colleges in Beirut and Cairo — and feared globetrotting Texas oilmen because both had access to independent perspectives and expertise on the Middle East and didn’t need to be dependent upon the neocons for advice. Bush and James Baker were urbane, worldly Texas oilmen who seemed to combine the worst of the Arabists and the Texans to the neocons.

In contrast, the neocons loved George W. Bush because he was a bumpkin state governor who didn’t know anything about the rest of the world and was willing to rely upon the neocons and neocon approved figures like Dick Cheney.

 
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  1. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Gore Vidal and Kennan are now ‘racist’ or ‘antisemitic’ too.

  2. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Is Cheney a neocon or just neocon-approved?

  3. Bush and his secretary of state James Baker tried to restrain Israeli settlement building in the West Bank, which led to a collapse in Jewish support in 1992.

    “Loan Guarantees” are indeed the quickest way toward a full understanding of why Bush Père‎ was quickly made persona non grata to the (actual) ruling class in this country. Who did he think he was that he could so nonchalantly touch the third rail?

    There was this, but it was way too late by then:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1992/08/11/bush-agrees-to-support-israeli-loan-guarantees/

    • Replies: @theMann
    , @pele
  4. Tiny Duck says:

    No one likes white guys

    Face it everyone Blacks asians Latinx Jews Muslims all think you guys are the pits

    • Troll: IHTG
  5. their prejudice and insularity

    Foer seems really hung up on the “insularity” of others. I wonder why that is? Psychologists have a name for this sort of behavior, and it’s right on the tip of my tongue . . .

  6. @Tiny Duck

    Awesome, so they’ll all be pulling stakes and heading home soon? A plan with no drawbacks!

  7. Paris is in flames as globohomo darling Macron faces nationalist pushback (I never heard of snipers being used on diversity), while local police and fire forces turn their back on him.

    Meanwhile I’m getting the bizzaro world CNN hot takes on GHWB amongst beaten to death iSteve topics such as redlining, CRISPR, and Asian admissions.

    Guess civil war in the West is one of those fainting couch topics too dangerous for this blog.

  8. Foer:

    The sociologist who coined the term WASP was a professor from the University of Pennsylvania with the perfect name, E. Digby Baltzell.

    He may have ‘popularized’ it, but he didn’t invent it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/18/books/review/the-first-wasp.html

    https://mondoweiss.net/2007/07/the-implosion-o/

  9. @Clifford Brown

    Is Steven Goldstein not the most shameless, sleazy shakedown blowhard there ever was. What a total slimeball. The thing with Franklin Foer & the Democrat Left (Susan Estrich types) is that they’ve been simmering with a lust for revenge for decades & GHWB was a symbol of the 1950s American they wanted to smash. This little gem paragraph from the 1988 Democratic Party platform was an omen of Kennedy’s 1990 Immigration Act, and where they were skewing to then. It was around this time that Jesse Jackson began his “Hey hey, ho ho, Western Civ has got to go…”

    https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/1988-democratic-party-platform

    WE BELIEVE that we honor our multicultural heritage by assuring equal access to government services, employment, housing, business enterprise and education to every citizen regardless of race, sex, national origin, religion, age, handicapping condition or sexual orientation; that these rights are without exception too precious to be jeopardized by Federal Judges and Justice Department officials chosen during the past years—by a political party increasingly monolithic both racially and culturally—more for their unenlightened ideological views than for their respect for the rule of law. We further believe that we must work for the adoption of the Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution; that the fundamental right of reproductive choice should be guaranteed regardless of ability to pay; that our machinery for civil rights enforcement and legal services to the poor should be rebuilt and vigorously utilized; and that our immigration policy should be reformed to promote fairness, non-discrimination and family reunification and to reflect our constitutional freedoms of speech, association and travel. We further believe that the voting rights of all minorities should be protected, the recent surge in hate violence and negative stereotyping combatted, the discriminatory English-only pressure groups resisted, our treaty commitments with Native Americans enforced by culturally sensitive officials, and the lingering effects of past discrimination eliminated by affirmative action, including goals, timetables, and procurement set-asides.

    • Replies: @bomag
  10. Clyde says:

    Lets not forget that GHW Bush semi-neutered Saddam which was beneficial to Israel.
    The ironic part was that as bad for the Jews that GHW Bush allegedly was….. Bill Clinton was at least 5x worse with his forced farce of Oslo accords. Where at the end Arafat ran away from a good deal and land give back.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  11. OT – Guardian UK, the attack on whites never stops

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/series/bias-in-britain

    “A survey for the Guardian of 1,000 people from minority ethnic backgrounds found they were consistently more likely to have faced negative everyday experiences – all frequently associated with racism – than white people in a comparison poll.

    The survey found that 43% of those from a minority ethnic background had been overlooked for a work promotion in a way that felt unfair in the last five years – more than twice the proportion of white people (18%) who reported the same experience.

    The results show that ethnic minorities are three times as likely to have been thrown out of or denied entrance to a restaurant, bar or club in the last five years, and that more than two-thirds believe Britain has a problem with racism.”

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    , @bomag
  12. @Dave Pinsen

    I think the latter. He lobbied against the Iraq sanctions in the 1990s, but switched gears when he entered politics. He merely recognized who had the power.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  13. black sea says:

    In a piddling few decades, the world’s most powerful, influential cultural establishment happened to get demolished and rebuilt from the ground up. What had been basically a Christian, patriotic, family-loving, politically moderate part of society became contemptuous of biblical religion, of patriotism, of the family, of American greatness. The American cultural elite used to resemble (more or less) the rest of America. Today it disdains the rest of America.

    –David Gelernter

    • Agree: Tyrion 2, bomag
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  14. Anon[358] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m confused about what is wrong with being “anti” the group whose foundational religious text is unarguably a manual for mercilessly dispossessing and destroying every nation around them.

    It is clear in the biblical text and their modern behavior that they do not take this text as mere history limited in time and place to the Near East, but as a current mandate that extends wherever they exist. The books of their Tanakh support my assertions.

    They even keep the “Palesitinians”, a word which is etymologically synonymous with “Philistine”, in the same exact geographical borders as the biblical Philistine: proving that the Israeli-Palestine issue and policy goes far beyond an unintended unfortunate circumstance.

    Their captivity is ritualistic in nature, which means that there likely will be no purposeful result for the Palestinians other than that which is told in the Bible for the Philistines.

    They are acting out a biblical play in Israel and beyond, for the purpose of ritually bringing their myth of their biblical campaign against the nations into the modern day.

    Look for biblical parallels in their modern (ritual) behavior, both in the past few centuries and going forward. To identify these actions it will help to identify which tribes they associate with biblical tribes.

    See Mircea Eliade’s sacred time vs profane time. The belief is that ritual behavior and symbolism brings a transcendence of linear time (profane time) to transport the participants to an eternal cyclical reality (sacred time) that is normally preserved in myth. In this way, the participants are always living as eternal mythical beings. Second, they believe that their behavior will assure the promised results of the myths.

    Their seven thousand year cycle (which implies repetition), in which they do not work in the last thousand years of it and that is reflected in the week and their rest day on their Sabbath, is one fundamental indication of their belief in cyclical time and it predicts the core cultural and political practices that would align with that belief.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  15. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @reiner Tor

    When he entered politics? Cheney was Ford’s chief of staff in 1975. He’d also been been Bush 41’s defense secretary.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  16. syonredux says:

    What goes unstated, however, is the subtext of that yearning. All the florid remembrances are packed with fondness for a bygone institution known as the Establishment, hardened in the cold of New England boarding schools, acculturated by the late-night rituals of Skull and Bones, sent off to the world with a sense of noblesse oblige.

    I’m rather shocked that there’s no mention of elite WASP country clubs…..

    All in all, a quite tedious article. Remove the rhetorical posturing, and it basically comes down to Jews not being able to get over the fact that Protestant Anglo-Saxons created America…..

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
  17. Anon[135] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    The racist hoaxer at Goucher College, Fynn Ajani Arthur, reported to be black or biracial (but who looks Sicilian) has confessed in court.

    And yet, the black activists at the College are acting like it wasn’t a hoax and haven’t retracted their WE DEMANDS.

    I just wish the news media interviewing the black protestors would pin them down on this. I’m sure they have some incoherent excuse for continuing to protest, but make them articulate it, on camera, to be enshrined on YouTube for eternity. “The event that provoked all this was a hoax, by a black student, and he confessed and has been arrested. Given that, why are you still protesting and not studying for finals?” “Had the event not happened at all, would you still be protesting and issuing manifestos during finals week?”

    • Replies: @anon
  18. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Jack Hanson

    There’s been French protests, strikes and riots all my life. In England people roll their eyes whenever a new one breaks out. Is this any different other than that the participants are braving the cold? I genuinely don’t know.

    • Agree: jim jones
  19. syonredux says:

    But George H. W. Bush came from an elite cluster; Harvard President Charles W. Eliot described them as the “superior families.” Bush’s ancestors did business with Rockefellers and Harrimans. In places like Newport and Kennebunkport, these families existed in an inbred world that for many decades self-consciously segregated itself by race, religion, and class.

    You know, Foer old pal, there’s a population that’s pretty famous for self-consciously segregating itself….Heck, you might even say that they made a religion out of it……

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
  20. Wilkey says:

    while George P. Bush was intended to reverse the process and be the nature leader of the newly imported Mexican-American voters.

    So if in the early 1970s a young Jeb Bush decides to do the logical thing, and marry a tall, blonde Scandinavian from Minnesota instead a short Mexican, does Alternate Universe United States 2018 have 20 million Hispanics instead of 50 million Hispanics? Or was it, for the Bush family, just more about pleasing the business lobby?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Marat
  21. @jim jones

    Does Springsteen have the itch to be President?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Hgh
  22. Tyrion 2 says:

    “Undoing affirmative action” is racialising politics? What a cretin.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @TTSSYF
  23. LondonBob says:
    @Clyde

    Arafat did what any sensible gentile did when offered a ‘good deal’ by Jewish opponent, ran a mile. Claiming Arafat was ever offered a good deal over Oslo is always a hasbara talking point, Rabin would have offered a fair deal, he got assassinated.

    • Agree: utu, Trevor H.
  24. Hail says: • Website
    @Anon

    Something I found the other day that deserves recording:

    Gore Vidal used the term “Israel Firsters” in spring 1988 (coincidentally, just as the nominal subject of this post, GHWBush, was getting his presidential campaign underway). Vidal’s 1988 use of the term is the earliest I had ever seen.

    Gore Vidal, March 14, 1988:

    [7:35]
    I was also attacked by the not-so-simple Israel Lobby, which never ceases to demonize the Soviet Union in order to make sure that half the federal revenue goes to defense, out of which the State of Israel, the lobby’s sole preoccupation, is financed.

    I was promptly attacked by that small group of Israel Firsters who call themselves neoconservatives. [Pause] Hi, Leon. [Audience Laughter] I hated my country, they said, because I had criticized that national security state in which, like a prison, we have all been obliged to live and go broke for 40 years. I responded to my critics with characteristic sweetness [Laughter], and turned the other fist, as is my wont. [Laughter, applause].

    (from a speech to the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee)

    Even if it was independently recoined many times (plausible), this can only be considered an early use and as such is notable.

    My impression is that the term “Israel Firster” came to prominence only in the 2000s on the margins of the right-wing dissident Internet, including the Anti-War movement (Justin Raimondo). If you google around (or DuckDuckGo around) for the term, you’ll see a lot of hits in the early 2010s, at which time a spate of media denunciations of the term “Israel Firsters” erupted from…Israel Firsters.

    Looking around Google-Ngram for the term “Israel Firsters” from the pre-Internet era, you’ll see a few straggler early ‘hits’ from Willis Carto publications in the 1960s and 1970s, but nothing like the widespread use the phrase picked up in the 2000s. There is also a 1981 ADL bulletin condemning The Spotlight for using this and other terms it calls anti-Semitic. This ADL denunciation is alluded to here (Critical Reaction section). The earliest use of the term (including the “-ers”) that I could find on the I-Steve blog is by Svigor in August 2007.

    In a comment to the post “Is there anything left to be said about Iraq?” (isteve.blogspot.com, Aug. 10, 2007), Svigor wrote in part:

    “A combination of interests — Israel-firsters, Defense, Imperialists — set us to war, for different reasons. The Israel-firsters seemed to be the active ingredient”

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    , @Franz
    , @Franz
  25. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Tyrion 2

    This article makes me really like George HW Bush. It seems practically hagiographic on his personal qualities and identity. Indeed, the main thrust of the criticism is that his politics betrayed his essence. This is the opposite of how this blog post frames the article. The framing instead seems to be the boring strawman based on Jews being secretly motivated by ethnic animus (or at best defensiveness) when the writer is clearly motivated to criticise GHWB for his politics despite what might be his (to the writer) highly admirable ethnic and cultural identity.

    What’s funny is that by misreading the article as an inverse of what it is, the iSteve reader leaves throroughly besotted with GHWB’s persona. After all, if the article is critical of this yet he comes across so incredibly well, he must have been amazing! Of course, Foer could have written his GHWB’s persona any way he pleased and he did – as one to be admired, missed and (annoyingly) hopefully combined with 2018 progressive politics.

    How can anyone miss that Foer is criticising GHWB for his politics and not his persona?

  26. Tyrion 2 says:
    @syonredux

    I hit agree before I actually read the article rather than only the selected quotes and framing on this blog post. I take it back entirely. I think this is a stting mis-reading of Foer’s writing. Instead, he admires GHWB’s persona but detests his politics.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  27. This short article explains quite a lot! – (Might well make it into the new book, I’d wish).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  28. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @black sea

    I wonder if Ted Kaczynski regrets blowing up David Gelernter. Of all of his targets, he seems like the one that Ted could have interesting conversations with. Imagine if they are pen pals now.

    • Agree: ic1000
  29. The one good thing about the coming browning of America will be that (maybe?) it will no longer be out of bounds to criticize jewish behavior. They’ve always been in media, but from, like, the past two decades or so, it’s really been ramping up to everymore ridiculous heights.

    I remember reading something Derb wrote about asking Poderhertz about jewish hostility towards christians. He said that Pod ignored the question and went on to something else.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  30. Anonymous[111] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Running Bruce with either Madonna or Blondie for VP is probably the Dem’s best shot.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  31. Hail says: • Website

    I haven’t seen any mention of how the Bush Dynasty began preparing George P. Bush, Poppy’s “Little Brown One,” to carry on the dynasty in the new mestizo America

    What is George P. up to these days, anyway?

    28th Land Commissioner of Texas
    Incumbent
    Assumed office January 2, 2015

    Boh-ring.

    As for his likely-to-be-inferred racial status: I don’t know what George P.’s 23andMe would show in terms of European vs. Amerindian and all, but I’ll say this: He looks today, in his early 40s (b. 1976), a lot like Jeb with a very dark tan, in many pics something like a Sicilian Jeb. IOW, his Amerindian ancestry via mother Co-LOOM-bah does not jump out at all, unless one is looking for it. But George P. Bush at age 12, leading the 1988 Republican Convention “Pledge of Allegiance” (pic easy to find online): Wow, now that boy looks really Mestizo.

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
    , @Jack D
  32. In 1907, he wrote about the worrying presence of immigrants; in particular, he described a “furtive Yacoob or Ysaac still reeking of the ghetto.”

    Maybe from now on we should refer to Franklin Foer as ‘Furtive Franklin’.

  33. IHTG says:
    @Jack Hanson

    Those ain’t nationalists.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  34. Anon[221] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Hanson

    It looks to me like the trigger was more the election of the Right in Italy, and the French noticed the Italian government didn’t become instant Mussolini. Instead, the new government started securing their borders, but they still support having the typical EU-style welfare state for native Italians.

    The notion that you can be a right-wing socialist was probably a massive surprise and a revelation to the French, who have suddenly realized yes, it is possible to have it all. They can have all the benefits and none of the illegals, and not turn into Hitler and become fascist, which is a paranoid fear they have had drummed into them all their lives by leftist teachers.

    The French now want Macron out and the trouble-making third-worlders gone.

  35. Perhaps Jewish-American intellectual elite types get triggered by the old WASP power elite types like Bush Senior a bit like Jada Pinkett-Smith gets triggered by straight haired blondes.

    One thing that made WASPs so successful at subverting and conquering places like Texas, California, and Hawaii was their canny use of intermarriage: they’d hop off a ship from Boston or New York, like the sunshine and find an indigenous landowner’s daughter to marry.

    I understand several intrepid German immigrants in the 19th century did much the same.

    For instance, the singer Linda Ronstadt’s great-grandfather, Friedrich August Ronstadt, apparently followed that playbook very successfully in Arizona. He immigrated from Germany, married a Mexican woman, and founded a family prominent in Arizona’s life.

    • Replies: @clyde
    , @Jimi
  36. @Hail

    Land commissioner and being on the railroad commission are traditional stepping stones for either lt. governor or governor’s offices.

    Right now, if I had to bet for or against, I’d bet for. The dem’s simply have no minor leaguers to bring up to the majors right now. (Beto was an aberration. White liberals love other white liberals who champion for minority causes.)

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  37. Maybe the new elites should try a little noblesse oblige?

    Haven’t most elites been exploiters?

    As far as the old Establishment, were they really noble? They had incredible contempt for White people outside of New England.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @ben tillman
  38. @Dave Pinsen

    Have to be a Jew to be a neocon. It’s a Jewish movement.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  39. clyde says:
    @PiltdownMan

    For instance, the singer Linda Ronstadt’s great-grandfather, Friedrich August Ronstadt, apparently followed that playbook very successfully in Arizona. He immigrated from Germany, married a Mexican woman, and founded a family prominent in Arizona’s life.

    Come on, this Mexican woman that Friedrich August married was an exotic attractant due to her Spanish culture. She was very white. You can see you see the result in Linda Ronstadt who is so white she is a butter face/

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    , @duncsbaby
  40. @Hail

    Israel-onlier. Do they really have a second allegiance?

  41. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Cheney isn’t a neocon, because neoconservatism is a Jewish movement and neoconservatism is a Jewish movement because all neocons are Jews.

    Amirite?

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  42. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anon

    One can hope, but why would they vandalize French national monuments?

    I suspect it is a very ideologically diverse group and if it somehow does blossom/rot into something big, we won’t find out the direction until it culminates. A bit like how I think Iran in 1979 unfolded.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    , @anon
  43. David says:
    @Tyrion 2

    There hasn’t been rioting in Paris this bad for at least ten years!

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  44. Franz says:
    @Hail

    Gore Vidal used the term “Israel Firsters” in spring 1988

    He got up their noses far earlier than that.

    As early as the late 1949s GV was noting the publishing world allowed an “OK Goy” to publish hither and yon but the publishing game was UU entirely by then. Giants of the late 30s such as Charles Beard and John T. Flynn were totally scrubbed from the Kosher Club by then.

    When Norman Podhoretz responded to Vidal in a Commentary cover story called “The Hate that Dare Not Speak its Name”, Gore was his prime suspect. Other Southern writers were cited for being know-nothings, but GV was the prime target: The man had stated that Commentary and other Jewish publications were doing nothing more than carrying water for Israel. Norman P and his wife Midge were furious and their attack was… the usual.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  45. clyde says:

    OT
    2019’s Most Sinful Cities in America

    https://wallethub.com/edu/most-sinful-cities-in-america/29846/

    1 Las Vegas, NV 61.32 16 35 33 5 12 4 3
    2 Los Angeles, CA 55.04 25 59 155 103 1 1 86
    3 New York, NY 52.91 34 153 159 101 3 2 20
    4 Houston, TX 52.69 57 42 88 51 2 8 77
    5 St. Louis, MO 52.34 1 44 1 69 29 30 44
    6 Atlanta, GA 52.27 31 2 83 167 4 7 47
    7 Miami, FL 51.58 94 4 151 85 17 5 4
    8 Philadelphia, PA 51.23 7 53 15 40 13 26 27
    9 Chicago, IL 50.98 41 57 75 84 6 6 83
    10 Orlando, FL 50.58 5 5 52 164 22 9 66
    11 Denver, CO 49.54 38 71 17 48 5 16 114
    12 Detroit, MI……………

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
  46. Ed says:

    It is kind of interesting to observe how the Jewish American elite today contrasts to Bush family WASPs in terms of noblesse oblige.

    The elite Jewish families seem to use their money to buy noblesse oblige in ways that satisfies their vanity and enhances their power. They donate large sums to universities, non-profits and campaigns. The press covers these acts as generous philanthropy. Yet they don’t actually do the self-sacrifice or lead by example thing. Few serve in the military for example.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Jack D
  47. TTSSYF says:
    @Tyrion 2

    GHWB, when head of the CIA, would come into our city and go out on the boats with Customs agents, one of whom was a relative of mine. This relative (a yellow-dog Dem, by the way) told me that the men absolutely loved him.

    He had tremendous charm. Does anyone here remember him sitting next to a very young child in a classroom, talking to him, when the boy suddenly interrupted him by asking, “Are you really the President?” Bush replied, “Yes, I am. Would you like to see my American Express card?” (which he pulled out of his wallet and showed the boy)?

    • Replies: @Corn
  48. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Ed

    The elite Jewish families seem to use their money to buy noblesse oblige in ways that satisfies their vanity and enhances their power. They donate large sums to universities, non-profits and campaigns. The press covers these acts as generous philanthropy. Yet they don’t actually do the self-sacrifice or lead by example thing. Few serve in the military for example.

    The progressives would say that avoiding the military is good and that they express their social conscience through Teach America, NGOs, activism and similar. Just as contemporary men express their fashion sense by whatever it is that is fashionable now rather than ruffs, stockings and codpieces.

    To which there are two replies. First, that activism is superficial or self-interested. Second, that those are poor replacements for traditional elite virtues.

    The first can be discounted because there is always an element of superficiality in these things.

    The second is more interesting but also much more complex and requires real thought.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anon
    , @Svigor
    , @Mr. Anon
  49. Franz says:
    @Hail

    GV was a total bastard from the Podhoretz’a point of view.

    As editor of Commentary, Norman P crafted a Vidal hit-piece called “The Hate that Dare Not Speak it’s Name”; smearing GV as an antisemite but Vidal only mentioned the Israel Fifth Column, not Jews as such.

    Funnier was Vidal’s comments, strewn through his works, about Jewish Power in Hollywood when he was out there. Paddy Chayefsky, of Network fame, treated Gore so rotten that Vidal asked William Wyler what the point of it was.

    Wyler told Gore, “Paddy thinks movies are an all-Jewish game, and you ain’t no Jew!” That was in the 1950s. The fix has been in longer than the sheep think.

    Vidal is only remembered by the Right as a pervert now, too bad. Jackie Onassis noted that Vidal’s nemesis Bill Buckley was a fag too. How soon we forget!

    • Replies: @Flip
    , @Hail
    , @Art Deco
    , @Jack D
  50. anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:

    In contrast, the neocons loved George W. Bush because he was a bumpkin state governor who didn’t know anything about the rest of the world and was willing to rely upon the neocons and neocon approved figures like Dick Cheney.

    This is why it’s important to always have some blacks at the highest level of foreign policy. They aren’t neocons or neocon approved. They are selected for diversity. The intention in picking them is bringing racial diversity but it ends up also bringing an outside perspective apart from the swamp. Powell, Rice, and Obama slowed down or stopped war with Iraq, Russia, and Iran respectively.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Anonymous
  51. @syonredux

    Jews not being able to get over the fact that Protestant Anglo-Saxons created America…

    It goes way beyond that… the Jewish establishment know they suffer by comparison. If the new Jewish elite were held up to WASP standards they would actually be serving in the wars the created rather than sending rural white guys that they hate,

    There is also just plain old jealousy that manifests itself as hatred- what do you think someone jewish with views like this thinks when they see a good looking north european looking couple with a say, three tow head kids?

    I grew up in NYC and many Jewish friends, even ones not as (at least on the surface) are as blunt as the Atlantic, get visibly ansy when they visit a white-town like one finds in rural New England or the Midwest. Almost every jewish pundit (particularly the women ) take a jab at the ‘beautiful blond cheerleader’ they couldn’t ask out or all the guys wanted to ask out in high school.

    Funny though the new bar of anti-semitism is not just not supporting but not funding illegal Israeli settlements.

  52. Anonymous[310] • Disclaimer says:

    I haven’t seen any mention of how the Bush Dynasty began preparing George P. Bush, Poppy’s “Little Brown One,” to carry on the dynasty in the new mestizo America they were helping forge. As far back as the 1988 convention, 10-year-old George P. led the Pledge of Allegiance.

    You know, if this keeps up, they should start referring to the Bushes as la familia Bushoacana.

  53. @Tyrion 2

    Neoconservatism is a Jewish movement, because it serves exclusively the interests of the Jews. There is no reason why a white guy like Cheney should be concerned with prosperity and security of Israel for example.

    Cheney is best described as opportunistic shabbos-goy, trying to advance his career in a Jew-dominated environment.

  54. @clyde

    Linda Ronstadt is elderly and has Parkinson’s disease. She was known both for her talent and her looks at the start of her career and later, at the height of her fame.

  55. Anonymous[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    The progressives would say that avoiding the military is good and that they express their social conscience through Teach America, NGOs, activism and similar.

    Yeah, but modern-day progs (unlike, say, the New Leftists of the 60s) also think that bombing/attacking foreign countries for ‘human rights’ is a marvelous idea … so long as somebody else’s kids do that bombing and attacking.

    Once upon a time, we had a ruling élite that was different. When Abraham Lincoln, for example, said that “our union must be preserved,” he offered up all four of sons as sacrifice. (Jeff Davis did the same for his cause.) Hell, as late as WW2, Franklin Roosevelt at least felt compelled to offer up a sacrificial nephew. But he was the last.

    As Jackie Treehorn would say, “Standards have fallen through the years.”

  56. slumber_j says:
    @Oleaginous Outrager

    This talk of elites in the Old America as “inbred” obfuscates just how much careers were open to talents and how big the pool was that talent was drawn from. Foer, the co-editor of Jewish Jocks, is projecting a tad about how inbred GHW Bush was, as a look at the novels by his younger brother Jonathan Safran Foer about their ancestors might suggest.

    In the summer of 2016 in the New England of his worst nightmares, Jonathan Safran Foer had the apparently grave misfortune of having dinner with my wife and me and two other couples at the country house of some friends.

    This was in Litchfield County, Connecticut, and although there was a certain amount of actual WASP at that table, I supposed at the time that it was the utter un-Jewishness of the scene that turned him into one of the most unpleasant dinner guests I’ve ever encountered. As it happens, all of the other people present that evening were just reminiscing about what a tremendous dick he was over this past Thanksgiving weekend: everyone had bent over backward to make this guy whose kid was a classmate of one of the hosts’ children feel at home, all of which was rewarded with something just shy of open hostility on his part.

    I later learned that he had just been excoriated by the critics for his newly published book Here I Am, so maybe that had something to do with his manner. But I still think it must have had more to do with his manufactured sense that he was surrounded by uncultured country-club types who were trying to figure out how to kill and eat him. It was a remarkable experience.

  57. neutral says:
    @Anon

    At this point the only thing that can save France is fascism.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    , @Flip
  58. Speaking of Dick Cheney, there’s a movie coming out called “Vice” (I believe) with Christian Bale playing Cheney and Steve Carell as Rumsfeld. Looks like it’s going to be a perfectly honest piece of storytelling.

  59. Ragno says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Who cares? Without liberal Jews and leftist race traitors fronting endlessly for you – even while you openly despise them – all you’d have left to your names, once the curtain finally gets pulled, would be loan defaults and Liberia.

    Not that I’d hold your snatching the carrot right off the stick against you. Your “white” benefactors – the true villains here – I’d sentence to prison, far from any of the usual country-clubs they routinely end up in the few times they’re put behind bars; the black chappies would merely be “sentenced” to the free-money spigot on the Taxpayer Faucet being turned off and soldered shut.

  60. @Tyrion 2

    I agree. We’ve seen everything from yellow shirt protests in Bangkok, to red shirt ones in Istanbul to OWS in New York that all petered out after a couple of weeks or so.

    I expect (unfortunately) the same to happen in Paris.

  61. “Bush and James Baker were urbane, worldly Texas oilmen ”

    Waill, Baker was a jen yoo aahn Texan, pardner–notwithstanding his Northeast elite schooling. Bush on the other hand was an interloper (carpetbagger?) from Congregational New England , what Nixon advisor and author Kevin Phillips would call a “white shoes” Republican as opposed to a cloth coat, rotary club Republican. GHW came to Texas to make his fortune. And in that he succeeded- with a little help from Poppa Prescott and the Brown-Harriman, Wall Street crowd of course. The rest, as they say, is history.

  62. Hgh says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Baby he was Born to Run….

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    , @OFWHAP
  63. utu says:
    @Anon

    The notion that you can be a right-wing socialist was probably a massive surprise and a revelation to the French, who have suddenly realized yes, it is possible to have it all.

    Good insight. Applies to the rest of the world.

  64. countenance says: • Website

    Jews like him despised GHW Bush for not being pro-Israel enough

    Trump is the most pro-Israel President in history. So you’d think the Jews would be eating him up like a bagel. Right? RIGHT?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  65. Most Jews see Steve Sailer as an anti-semite. Most Jews are correct.

  66. bomag says:
    @Clifford Brown

    He’s director of a center for “Mutual Respect”. LOL

  67. Whiskey says: • Website

    Macron is using snipers against protesters and has supposedly threatened to deport the French and replace them with Africans. I fully expect that. You din mess with a power bottom. Half of the French military and police are Muslim or African.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Svigor
  68. Trevor H. says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    “In a way that felt unfair”

    “Thrown out of a restaurant”

    Such is social “science” in the CY.

    I just know that these “scientists” have ample evidence of minorities being thrown out of restaurants when all they were doing is trying to eat their dinner in peace. Happens all the time…

  69. bomag says:
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    our immigration policy should be reformed to promote…

    …promote destruction of what came before. I wonder if Goldstein et al ever reflect that after they extinguish the WASPs, that space gets backfilled by less pliant Middle Easteners; Africans; Asians; Meso-Americans; etc.

    “We didn’t want to save the village; we just wanted to burn it”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  70. @Anon

    One thing I cannot forgive is anti-Semitism!
    Where should we put the anti-Semitism? Over here? Under the couch? Kitchen drawer? No,because there is no place for anti-Semitism in this country!

  71. Trevor H. says:
    @clyde

    Didn’t follow the link but without New Orleans on the list it’s hard to take seriously.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  72. bomag says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    A survey for the Guardian of 1,000 people from minority ethnic backgrounds found they were consistently more likely to have faced negative everyday experiences – all frequently associated with racism – than white people in a comparison poll.

    Did they compare experiences in places such as Pakistan?

  73. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Those generous Jewish and other donors save about $400,000 in taxes for every $100,000 they donate to all those bogus NGOs.

    The best tax reform would to totally eliminate the charity tax deductions. Then the rich would pay their share of taxes to the government and taxes would lower over all

    The greatest benefit is that those multi million dollar leftists busybody NGOs wouldn’t be promoting gays trans genders causing wildfires by preventing brush and dead tree clearing forcing welfare departments to give full welfare benefits to illegal aliens and the rest of the damage done by NGOs

    The school desegregation school bussing and affirmative action lawsuits were all funded by AJC, ADL and Jewish legal foundation NGOs funded by rich Jews.
    Such a deal, avoid taxes and use the money to destroy the hetero White goyim.

    Close down the colleges and universities as well. Establish trade schools for drs nurses engineers and other scientific occupations.

    Abolish all NGOs and tax deductible charitable donations. Make the rich pay taxes to government instead of supporting hundreds of thousands of useless , anti White destructive NGOs

  74. Art Deco says:
    @Anon

    Vidal’s loathing of Jews was quite explicit. Vidal’s defenders get confused because he made an exception for Howard Auster.

  75. Art Deco says:

    Barack Obama and George P. Bush are variations on this theme: Obama’s mom saw herself as a female version expanding America’s Cold War soft empire by marrying foreign elites, while George P. Bush was intended to reverse the process and be the nature leader of the newly imported Mexican-American voters.

    Oh, rubbish. She married one guy who knocked her up and another guy who was available and willing to put up with her and her kid. While we’re at it, Lolo Soetero was a salaried technician employed by the state oil company. He had a good formal sector job. That put you way ahead in the game in Indonesia. It didn’t make you part of the elite.

    • Replies: @Ed
  76. bomag says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Did we read the same article? Foer basically trashes GHWB’s ethnic and cultural identity, mocking it for not being able to save itself while not embracing the Civil Rights movement and other current trends.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  77. black sea says:
    @slumber_j

    I think the proper response to such situations is to quietly take the person aside and explain that it is time for them to leave. I wanted to do this once, but didn’t, and regretted later having failed to do so.

    Inviting someone into your home is a gesture of sorts, a kind of civility, and if the guest fails to respond in kind, then I think its best to invite them to go. Plus, the ingrate in question might later write an article about the trauma of this rejection, which would be great fun to read out load to those who had attended the original gathering.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  78. Art Deco says:

    With the prestige of the Desert Storm victory, Bush and his secretary of state James Baker tried to restrain Israeli settlement building in the West Bank, which led to a collapse in Jewish support in 1992.

    “Collapse”? The best public opinion surveyors have been able to determine, Jewish voters cast between 20% and 40% of their ballots for Republican presidential candidates, with the best performers being Richard Nixon (programmatic temporizers running against an honest but fatuous man) and Ronald Reagan in 1980 (running against an evangelical). ‘Collapse’ would men the candidate garners 20% instead of the usual 25%.

    The neocons hated the Arabists — the descendants of Protestant missionary families who had founded the American colleges in Beirut and Cairo — and feared globetrotting Texas oilmen because both had access to independent perspectives and expertise on the Middle East and didn’t need to be dependent upon the neocons for advice. Bush and James Baker were urbane, worldly Texas oilmen who seemed to combine the worst of the Arabists and the Texans to the neocons.

    Have you ever looked at an issue of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs? It was founded by people like Talcott Seelye. Before you begin bandying about terms like ‘hate’ in reference to Jeane Kirkpatrick, you might have a look at what these ‘Arabists’ you’re talking about are actually peddling.

    In contrast, the neocons loved George W. Bush because he was a bumpkin state governor who didn’t know anything about the rest of the world and was willing to rely upon the neocons and neocon approved figures like Dick Cheney.With the prestige of the Desert Storm victory, Bush and his secretary of state James Baker tried to restrain Israeli settlement building in the West Bank, which led to a collapse in Jewish support in 1992.

    It’s highly unlikely someone as sophisticated as Midge Decter would regard an Ivy League product like George W. Bush as a ‘bumpkin’, or regard a state which envelops two of the most affluent urban globs in the occidental world as a ‘bumpkin state’.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Anon
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @anon
  79. Svigor says:

    This talk of elites in the Old America as “inbred” obfuscates just how much careers were open to talents and how big the pool was that talent was drawn from. Foer, the co-editor of Jewish Jocks, is projecting a tad about how inbred GHW Bush was, as a look at the novels by his younger brother Jonathan Safran Foer about their ancestors might suggest.

    Uhhh, yeaahhh. Jews are way more inbred than Anglo-Saxons. Lots of uncle-niece marriage in that ethnic tree. Anyone who does a lot of Jewdar work (say, with image searches) knows this on some level, because Jewish faces are obviously dealt from a pretty small deck, relatively speaking. Then there are all the Jewish genetic disorders.

    But don’t take my word for it: Jews consanguinity.

    LOL, top hit:

    CONSANGUINITY AMONG JEWS: Tweet. Owing to their dispersion among populations professing creed different from their own, Jews have married ear relatives more frequently than the rest of the world. The marriage of first cousins and even of uncle and niece is quite legal and usual among them (see Marriage).
    CONSANGUINITY AMONG JEWS – JewishEncyclopedia.com
    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4611-consanguinity-among-jews

    I love it when Jews call anyone inbred, it's always good for a laugh.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Kratoklastes
  80. Svigor says:
    @Art Deco

    I call bullshit – thinking of Texas as a bumpkin state is only slightly less Jewish than a yarmulke.

    For the gallery: speaking of Jewish, run a go ogle search for “dreidel” and watch what happens. Where do Christians get a snazzy setup like that, Mr Brin? Too big a share of the world population for the special treatment? This from the crew that won’t lift a pinky to customize its search for Christmas or Easter (too busy with some imaginary black inventor’s birthday, or the like).

  81. Anonymous[951] • Disclaimer says:
    @LondonBob

    Arafat is a “gentile” – He’s got bowling league on Thursday nights and his wife make a great hotdish casserole.

  82. Mr. Moser says:

    “Obama’s mom saw herself as a female version expanding America’s Cold War soft empire by marrying foreign elites . . .”

    Sure, the Dunhams saw themselves part of the Wasp post-WWII establishment, CIA connected and filled with patriotic fervor to sacrifice themselves in the interest of expanding Western exploitation of the third world. Part of the “Wise Men” world-view, don’t you know. Regular Bundys and Kennans and Dulleses.

    Why does Sailer persist in this one? Ann Dunham was an erratic weirdo, whose non-white fetishes made even Obama uncomfortable. Myself, I think the fetish was all that was left to her after Obama Sr. ripped her open when she was 17. I’m sure that connection enamored her with all the white men with half a brain cell in the early 60s.

    Can Sailer move past this notion that there’s something in Obama’s family background? There’s nothing there, but the sordid and hapless. I’m happy to talk about the sordid and hapless, but let’s not ennoble the thing.

  83. Svigor says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Odd how such a progressive race has instituted mandatory military service in its own ethnic homeland, without controversy.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @kaganovitch
  84. I haven’t seen any mention of how the Bush Dynasty began preparing George P. Bush, Poppy’s “Little Brown One,” to carry on the dynasty in the new mestizo America they were helping forge. As far back as the 1988 convention, 10-year-old George P. led the Pledge of Allegiance.

    Maybe the old story of “From Riches to Rags in three generations” applies … or “From smart to stupid in three generations!”

    https://www.newsmax.com/Finance/StreetTalk/family-wealth-heir-children/2014/06/25/id/579236/

  85. istevefan says:
    @Tyrion 2

    One can hope, but why would they vandalize French national monuments?

    How do you know it was the yellow vests doing that? I’ve seen photos of them guarding what appears to be the flame of the tomb of unknown soldier. Why would they be guarding some monuments and destroying others?

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    , @Matra
  86. utu says:

    George W. Bush as a ‘bumpkin’

    “This guy was a tabula rasa…” “He was an empty vessel.” He was so ripe for the plucking.” [ attributed to Richard Perle and anonymous at State Dept.]

    the hardliners and neoconservatives surrounding Bush (see December 1998 – Fall 1999) are working quietly to push their favored candidate much farther to the right, especially in foreign affairs, than anyone suspects. Two of the Bush campaign’s most prominent advisers, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, are making regular and secret visits to the governor’s mansion. “They were brought in and out under very tight security,” a source in the governor’s office will later recall. “They snuck in and snuck out. They didn’t hold press conferences. [Bush political adviser Karl] Rove didn’t want people to know what they were doing or what they were saying.”

    Bush is Willing to be Educated – Perle, like many other neoconservatives, is pleased that the younger Bush may well not be a repeat of the moderate policy stances of the father. “The first time I met [George W. Bush]… two things became clear,” Perle will recall in 2004. “One, he didn’t know very much. The other was that he had the confidence to ask questions that revealed he didn’t know very much.” [SLATE, 5/7/2004] Perle will continue: “Most people are reluctant to say when they don’t know something—a word or a term they haven’t heard before. Not him.”

  87. Jack D says:

    Adams really was anti-Semitic (and Vidal too for that matter) and the State Dept. Arabists really didn’t like Jews much either, so I don’t know what your point is. Sometimes paranoids really do have enemies.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  88. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Oleaginous Outrager

    One thing public school people don’t realize about the elite and ordinary private schools is how open they were and still are to middle class and poor kids with high intelligence.

    It has been so for centuries based on the ancient medieval catholic clergy education system of looking for middle class and poor boys of brains and talent. The idea was to continuously replenish the clergy with new brains and talent. Or as Lyndon Johnson put it, bring them into the tent to piss out instead of leaving them outside pissing in.

    For instance Thomas a Beckett Archbishop of Canterbury, Martin Luther, and Henry 8’s Cardinal Wolsey were all lower middle class boys admitted to church schools and seminaries because of brains and talent not because they came from elite families.

    The reformation Protestants kept that tradition and brought it to America. It continues today.

    Public school people have no idea that private schools, even the most expensive and elite have had, since they were founded, a policy of one third of the student body on full scholarship.

    It continues today and will probably always be. 1,600 years of a winning formula, why change it????????

    Jews consider William Buckeley to be some kind of ultra WASP aristocrat from a long line of WASP aristocrats. He wasn’t. He was Catholic and his grandfather was a humdrum Texas cowboy and deputy sheriff from a
    hardscrabble farm.

    The Fords of Ford motors aren’t WASPS either. They are Irish from N Ireland. Henry 1 and his ancestors were Protestants but ethnic Irish Celts.

    Jews throw the pejorative around but they don’t even know what it means. They use it as a term for genetic N west European.

    If only we WASPS were as powerful as Jews claim we are. Maybe we should turn into aggressive hornets and chase some people back to the Russian shetls from whence they came.

    I hate the term. I believe it’s a pejorative invented by Jews for White goyim they couldn’t call hillbillies trash crackers red necks or the evil White Ethnics who turned our great cities into instant crime ridden hellholes by fleeing before the black terrorist invasions.

    • Replies: @Foreign Expert
    , @Pheasant
  89. Jack D says:
    @black sea

    This is terrible advice unless the person is drunk and smashing up your china or grabbing at women or something. If they are just loudmouthed and opinionated, grin and bear it and never invite them to your home again but don’t compound rudeness with more rudeness – you are better than that. If you really can’t bear it anymore, clear everyone out (“I have an early meeting tomorrow”) but don’t ask someone to leave unless they have done something really extreme.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @black sea
    , @Pheasant
  90. My business travels to Houston in the late 1990s was the first time I saw thobe clad Arabians in what I thought were large numbers. It would make sense that most Texas oilmen, once in politics, were probably more accustomed to dealing with Arabs, may have even developed sympathies with them over Israel to some degree. The general Arab/Israel conversation being different in Texas, verses the one on the upper east coast.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  91. @Oleaginous Outrager

    their prejudice and insularity

    That struck me too.

    A people who’s essential salient characteristic is their absolute refusal to integrate with the local majority people+culture–in fact, developing explicit religious prescriptions against social interactions with them–for a couple thousand years … tossing around “insularity”.

    I guess they have a word for this–chutzpah. Honestly how much of this is just conscious propagandizing? And how much is that American Jews have drunk their own kool-aid and actually believe they are the world’s open and integrating people? Martin Luther Cohen, facing down Sheriff Bull Bush and his sailing yacht’s fire hose, demanding his country club membership be judged “by the content of their character”.

    I guess the strategy is just keep repeating this nonsense, ad nauseum and eventually all the goyishe kopfs will believe it.

    When Jews like Foer say “insularity” about some group what they mean is “didn’t immediately give all their stuff to Jews”.

    Foer’s actual life in 2018 is reading mostly Jews, hiring mostly Jews, talking mostly to Jews. I.e. non-”insularity”.

    • Replies: @utu
  92. Jack D says:
    @countenance

    It really depends which Jews. The Jewish Left at this point likes Palestinians (at least notional ones, just like they like notional Blacks more than real ones) a lot better than they like gun toting religious bearded Jewish West Bank settlers. Orthodox Jews quite like Trump.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    , @dfordoom
  93. theMann says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Bush got nuked by Ross Perot- hardly an Israeli stooge.

    Btw, if we had all voted for Perot in ’92, how much better off would we be as a country?

  94. Jack D says:
    @Ed

    Did the Bushes really have noblesse oblige or did they have a will to power?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Ed
    , @Desiderius
  95. donut says:
    @jim jones

    Why would the Left want to oppose him ? The Conservatives are the ones w/o a credible candidate .

  96. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    To the American Jewish mind, all but the upper west side of Manhattan, Malibu, Beverly Hills, and the west Los Angeles Woodland Hills neighborhoods of Los Angeles and Highland Park and Glencoe suburbs of Chicago are all bumpkin places.

    What really was vicious and horrible about Jews was their continual propaganda that Bush 2 was dumb. He managed to graduate from both Yale and Harvard business school. The Harvard MBA wasn’t Jewish liberalolgy crap. MBAs are essentially math, pretty hard to fake like liberalology courses.

    He graduated from Andover, one of the 4 hardest and most elite high schools in the country, a place all you Stuvestant and Bronx Science worshippers never even heard of.

    And yes, Andover, like all private schools has a one third scholarship continually replenish the elite from poor kids with brains and talent 1,600 year old policy

    Plus like everybody else his IQ was tested when he joined the military. It came out 125. 125 is classified as very bright just 5 points below 130 classified as gifted. It’s 95 percentile.

    Yet bigoted biased prejudiced White hating Jews insistited in call big him “dumb”. He graduated from one

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @anon
    , @Gunner
    , @Jack D
  97. My understanding is that the first prominent American Bush was Samuel Bush from Ohio, the father of Prescott Bush, the former without a formal higher education who worked his way into the burgeoning Railway business and who was considered a minor great Industrialist from that age.

    I was actually quite surprised to learn this when I did because I had always assumed that the Bushes were old stock New Englanders, perhaps the Mayflower descendants type.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  98. Jack D says:
    @Hail

    Here is Jeb with his housekeeper… oops I mean wife:

    Columba is clearly just your run of the mill Mestizo, so roughly 1/2 Spanish and 1/2 Indio (maybe a couple of % African for good measure). GPB would therefore be maybe 1/4 Indio.

    As Steve has often pointed out (and the “race is a social construct” people have a bit of a point there), as brownish people succeed they often undergo a process of “whitening”. You have your hair styled differently, you learn to avoid the sun, maybe there are cosmetics or treatments involved, but viola! the chocolaty brown boy becomes the cafe au lait man. Color photography (especially as seen on a computer monitor) is also deceptive. When you see GPB next to his daddy even today he is clearly a couple of shades darker than a 100% European. As for dark skinned Sicilians, they ain’t 100% European either.

    • Replies: @Ed
    , @Anon
    , @Hail
  99. Jack D says:
    @South Texas Guy

    The whole country will go to hell – no public services will work anymore, crime will be rampant, etc. but at least it will be OK to criticize Jews so it won’t be ALL bad!

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Anonym
  100. utu says:
    @AnotherDad

    Jewish Kool-aid is exceptionally potent. Look at Tyrion 2.

  101. @Tyrion 2

    How can anyone miss that Foer is criticising GHWB for his politics and not his persona?

    Ummm…because talking about his pedigree doesn’t concern his politics, but his persona?

  102. Hey you can’t fault Frankin Foer here – he’s just following that old adage: Speak ill of the dead

  103. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Is Cheney a neocon or just neocon-approved?

    What about Rumsfeld?

  104. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Jack, you’ve made many well thought out perceptive comments. It’s good to have an attorney on the site too.

    But sometimes your Jewish bigotry bias and prejudices against the White goyim are a bit much. For some reason the word came down from the Jewish Central Committee of Propaganda that Jews are obligated to hate Bush 1 & 2 and Trump.

    You’re an attorney. You must have a better than average brain. Why not use it to think for yourself?

  105. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    “The notion that you can be a right-wing socialist was probably a massive surprise and a revelation to the French”

    A right-wing socialist?! Next you’ll be talking about some kind of National Socialism; that could never work.

  106. Ed says:
    @Jack D

    Certainly they were ambitious and desired leadership roles but they did appear to identify more with the population than our current elites do. Well as much as a patricians could be expected.

    Today it appears our elite is openly greedy, openly seeks to buy political influence. I mean look at the Clintons. They are past their prime yet insist on going on a speaking tour where they are greeted by 1/4 full audiences. For what? What is to be gained?

  107. Mr. Anon says:
    @Oleaginous Outrager

    Foer seems really hung up on the “insularity” of others. I wonder why that is? Psychologists have a name for this sort of behavior, and it’s right on the tip of my tongue.

    Yes, it’s always amusing when a people distinguished by a high degree of clannishness, insularity, and inbreeding point an accusing finger at others for the sins of clannishness, insularity, and inbreeding.

  108. Che Guava says:

    Hello Sailor,
    (excuse me for repeating the bad joke, but it is only the second time, not repeating it again).

    Not a U.S.A. person, but as always, you make a good comment.

    To me, pappy Bush is three things.

    One who seems to have played fair with (or attempted to be with) Russia and the USSR.

    The last rep. of the New England (meaning that in the old wider sense than the state boundaries) ruling class to be Prex.

    One whose attempt at a second term was definitely destroyed by the U.S.A.’s Jewish-run MSM. As a political slogan Slick-dick Clinton’s campaign’s ‘It’s the economy, stupid!’ made as much sense as ‘I’ll buy that for a dollar!’ by the idiot television host in the original Robocop movie. It has long been obvious to me that the mainstream of (((them))) was determined that he be single-term.

    I may be a little foolish on it, but suspect that the world would have been (and be) a slightly (or possibly markedly) better place if Bush the first had won in his second candidacy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  109. The New. York Review has ignited a thermonuclear bomb of immigration rhetoric, authored by the first South Asian-American Congresswoman:

    https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/12/03/a-new-moral-imagination-on-immigration/

    Another recent article there proposed taking the route of the former regimes of the Warsaw Pact countries in regulating access to universities, as apparently there is no other way of “Justifying diversity”:

    https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2018/12/06/justifying-diversity/

    I think that opponents of mass immigration just don’t do enough to refute the pseudofacts circulated by the Chamber of Commerce-camp.
    I’d also like to ask what’s up with the Gallup numbers cited in Congresswoman Jayapal’s manifesto of reality distortion, history revision and linguistic dissimulation.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @ben tillman
  110. Ed says:
    @Jack D

    She’s a fine looking woman to be in her 60s. If she’s had any cosmetic surgery it’s discreet to the eye. FWIW both of their sons married white woman although one wife has a Mediterranean flair.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AmandaLeighBush/with_replies?lang=en

    https://www.firstforwomen.com/posts/jenna-bush-hager-reveals-her-parents-wanted-to-adopt-132016/photos/15-jeb-bush-jr-now-200000

  111. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    “Collapse”? The best public opinion surveyors have been able to determine, Jewish voters cast between 20% and 40% of their ballots for Republican presidential candidates,…….

    In a national race, nobody cares about 30% of the vote cast by 2% of the population. For that matter, they probably don’t care about 70% of the vote cast by 2% of the population.

    In this context, “support” means “money”, not “votes”, you stupid nitwit.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  112. Prusmc says: • Website
    @PiltdownMan

    Didn’t Linda destroy her nose by snorting cocaine and Didn’t she bed down with Jerry Brown before he became a homo?

  113. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    As I understand it, Columbia??? was a daughter of one of the elite families in town. The son won’t achieve what his great grandfather grandfather uncle and father did. But so what, families move up and down the SES scale.

    Jeb and Columbia? fell in love in high school, married very young and have stayed married all these years.

    I’m an English not Scots or Irish descent genuine WASP, blue eyes white skin natural blonde hair. I’m also short. If I married a 6 ft 3 man I’d look like a midget standing next to him too.

  114. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    whose foundational religious text is unarguably a manual for mercilessly dispossessing and destroying every nation around them.

    What should we read to evaluate whether your claim is true?

    is one fundamental indication of their belief in cyclical time and it predicts the core cultural and political practices that would align with that belief.

    Where is it written that their cycle is 7000 years? What is your reasoning/evidence for thinking it aligns with cultural and political practices?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @ben tillman
  115. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    it basically comes down to Jews not being able to get over the fact that Protestant Anglo-Saxons created America…..

    Yes, true.

    But aren’t basically all Anglo-Saxons Protestant?

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
  116. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey

    Or was it, for the Bush family, just more about pleasing the business lobby?

    It was about pleasing the Jewish lobby.

  117. Mr. Anon says:

    Given what has become of The Atlantic, in terms of its preoccupations and editorial focus, perhaps it should be renamed The Levantine.

    • LOL: Hunsdon
  118. Ed says:
    @Art Deco

    Good point, both Jeb and Ann were teenagers when they either got married or met their spouse. These were pairings of youthful passion not cold calculations of future power.

    Although I must admit Barack’s choice of Michelle has always struck me as being a calculated choice with political ambition in mind.

    • Replies: @Anon
  119. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief

    What new book?

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  120. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    One thing all the ancient fathers of 1 or 2 kids who keep posting that White women should have 4 to 6 kids should admire about Bush 1 is that he had 5 blue eyed N European kids.

    He did what the misogynist codgers didn’t do and had 5 White kids. And his wife never worked once they got married in their early 20s.

    He is a hero to the big family crew

    • Replies: @Flip
  121. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Yep.

    Also the days of American WASP elites cutting deals with Arabs at Jewish Israel’s expense are so long passed, the same as the British Empire ruling Jerusalem and favoring an Arabist perspective over the Zionist one – that’s ancient history.

    The reality is that Arab elites, Islamists elites have cut deals with Israel, Zionists to stay in power and to also support the Arab/Muslim migration colonization of Europe, UK, Sweden.

    On foreign policy and mass immigration Saudi Arabia Sunni Islamists and Israel, the Jewish lobby are on the same side in all things that matter. Israel and Saudi Arabia took/take exactly ZERO Syrian war refugees, Israel, the Jewish lobby and Saudi Arabia Sunni Islamists insist Europe, UK, Sweden USA MUST accept virtually unlimited Syrian/North African/Muslim migrants – anybody that speaks against this is smeared and marginalized as a terrible RACIST, NAZI.

    The alliance between Saudi Arabia Sunni Islamists and Israel, the Jewish Lib Democrat/Neo Con/Neo Liberal alliance is best symbolized by the sham marriage between Hillary’s chief of staff Huma Abedin and NYC Jewish mayor to be turned sexting pervert Anthony Weiner – strong case for birth control there.

  122. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @South Texas Guy

    The dem’s simply have no minor leaguers to bring up to the majors right now. (Beto was an aberration.

    All they need is one. Why wouldn’t O’Rourke win the presidency in 2020?

  123. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    With the prestige of the Desert Storm victory, Bush and his secretary of state James Baker tried to restrain Israeli settlement building in the West Bank, which led to a collapse in Jewish support in 1992.

    As a general rule, at least since LBJ, the question “Who is the most pro-Israel President?” could be answered with “The current one”. But 90 or 95% never seems good enough. Nothing less than everything seems to be sufficient. It’s almost as if the attitude is “Either your with us or against us”. Somebody said that once, as I remember.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  124. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @Franz

    but the publishing game was UU entirely by then.

    What is “UU”?

    • Replies: @Franz
  125. George says:

    George P. Bush, Poppy’s “Little Brown One,”

    That’s the Honerable George P. Bush, Land Commissioner of the State of Texas, to you buddy.

    Bitter Iraqis remember George H.W. Bush as ‘Mr Embargo’

    http://www.rudaw.net/mobile/english/middleeast/iraq/011220181

    The Bushes are from the government supported Indian fighter wing of WASPdom.

  126. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    Vidal’s loathing of Jews was quite explicit.

    Citation needed.

  127. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Adams really was anti-Semitic (and Vidal too for that matter) and the State Dept. Arabists really didn’t like Jews much either, so I don’t know what your point is. Sometimes paranoids really do have enemies.

    The important question is: Why do Jews make enemies?

    • Replies: @donut
  128. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed

    Her fathers regular job was management level city job. I think the water department. He was very high up in the Democratic Party apparatus. It was an advantageous marriage for new comer Barry

    Maybe Barry and Michelle loved each other. Anyone ever thought of that????

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @BB753
    , @Ed
    , @syonredux
    , @Reg Cæsar
  129. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    What would your advice be if the rude person were a Jew instead of a dumb goy?

  130. Jimi says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Frida Kahlo’s father was a German that married a Native Mexican.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  131. @Jack D

    Such sympathy with the Galloway (i.e. former British M.P. George Galloway of very vocal anti-neocon ‘tude) appears to be recent, that is, post the George H W Bush presidency.

    And a leftie (President Obama?) can promulgate the James Baker approach, but Secretary of State Baker himself cannot because he is the personification of scheming evil because Florida 2000. And a leftie cannot overdo it either — I think Al Sharpton is kind of semi-OK whereas Louis Farrakhan remains a pariah.

  132. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    This relates to the discussion on Steve Sailers blog about how neighborhoods are good when White, destroyed by blacks and improved when Whites or any other group moves in.

    Most of you have heard of the infamous Los Angeles suburb of Compton, as bad as Watts and S Central La.

    Well guess what young White couple lived in Compton in the late 40s early 50s when it was an all White nice working class town ideal for a young couple with a big family.

    George and Barbara Bush. Yes, they lived in the infamous Compton for a few years. Like many Compton men, George worked in the Long Beach oil fields learning the business. Barbara, like the Compton women kept house had babies and took care of family and home

    By 1960 Compton was one of the most crime ridden black enclaves in America. It’s now Hispanic, very poor but the crime rate went down down down as the Hispanics moved in.

  133. Foer is the moron who, as editor of the New Republic, published the fake war diaries of Scott Thomas Beauchamp. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Thomas_Beauchamp_controversy

  134. istevefan says:

    But sometimes nobody seemed to believe in George Bush’s best intentions more than himself—which meant that he couldn’t understand when people failed to forgive his most odious mistakes.

    Sort of how we will fail to forgive those who brought us diversity and multiculturalism.

    Moral values were worth defending, but not at the expense of the national interest.

    Sort of how some refuse to recognize the Armenian Genocide.

    If the Old Money Republicans could have mustered that leadership, and stood firm against the flow of segregationists into their club, it might have precluded the invention of Richard Nixon’s “southern strategy” and the generations of racialized politics that followed.

    Then we the democrats would not have lost the entire South for a couple of generations and would have occupied the White House on a somewhat permanent basis.

    In reality, he was an archetypal representative of the modern party, a man whose sense of duty failed him when it came to resisting the rise of racially revanchist, libertarian forces.

    What’s with the little attack on libertarians? I’ve noticed anecdotally that the left is increasingly hostile to libertarians. By the left I mean progressives. I believe true liberals have a somewhat friendlier view of libertarians. But progressives really despise them.

  135. Ian M. says:

    Old Money was superior to New Money, because those born into their wealth had been groomed to have perfect manners.

    To call this a strawman would be an insult to actual strawman.

    That is probably the least important reason why Old Money is superior to New Money.

    As Aristotle noted over two thousand years ago, those who had inherited their wealth were more likely to be generous with it and to use it to promote the common good than those who hadn’t, precisely because the former group hadn’t earned it.

  136. Atlantic: Nostalgia for GHW Bush Is Anti-Semitic

    Nowadays, isn’t everything?

    • Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader
  137. @Art Deco

    Not really. And I’ve read just about everything he ever wrote, including all his essays. The “worst” thing I can recall is that in one essay he referred to Jews as a “predatory people”, which doesn’t strike me as terribly unfair. The good news for you is that after he died, the worst among your co-ethnics were able to attack him without fear of a reply, as they did in every obituary they wrote, frequently, and with their always-present bad faith, citing Vidal’s quite reasonable and prophetic comments about mass immigration into Europe.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  138. @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    On a more serious note: it amazes me when people don’t realize that other people may have different reasons for liking or disliking something.

    Anti-Semitism may not even be on radar for many who liked Bush Senior.

  139. IHTG says:

    • Replies: @istevefan
  140. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Your explanation by random assertion could be lifted, in form, straight from everydayfeminism.com. I get you have cult dogma. Repeating it endlessly doesn’t make it true.

  141. syonredux says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Instead, he admires GHWB’s persona but detests his politics.

    The admiration has an Ancien Régime quality to it…..Now that the WASP patriciate has been thoroughly displaced, we can allow ourselves a few kind words about its good aspects….

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Anon
  142. Art Deco says:
    @Svigor

    I call bullshit – thinking of Texas as a bumpkin state is only slightly less Jewish than a yarmulke.

    Franklin Foer, who has produced opinion journalism on patronage his entire adult life, writes an article full of punchy caricatures revealing he doesn’t actually know much. So, you figure you’ll offer a counter-caricature to get even.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  143. Art Deco says:
    @Anon

    To the American Jewish mind,

    The issue of your imagination is fascinating to you, not to anyone normal.

  144. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Svigor

    It isn’t odd at all, if you accept that ideas actually do matter and you don’t reduce literally everything to your satire of itself dumb racial dogma.

  145. Art Deco says:
    @Mr. Anon

    In this context, “support” means “money”, not “votes”, you stupid nitwit.

    Let’s see you tally the numbers, blowhard.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  146. @Tiny Duck.

    “Most Jews see Steve Sailer as an anti-semite. Most Jews are correct.”

    This is the whole thing in a nutshell. I know I flagged this post for the ADL to review. I hope Sailer has a good lawyer because hate speech is technically illegal.

    • Troll: utu, Craig Nelsen
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  147. @Jack D

    Tastes great or less filling?

  148. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @bomag

    …promote destruction of what came before. I wonder if Goldstein et al ever reflect that after they extinguish the WASPs, that space gets backfilled by less pliant Middle Easteners; Africans; Asians; Meso-Americans; etc.

    We are told that Jews enjoyed a golden age in Muslim Spain. They are also a wealthy minority group across North Africa and the Middle East.

  149. istevefan says:

    OT – First I learned that the Irish weren’t white. Now I am learning the Irish were responsible for the native American genocide.

    Nineteenth century Irish immigration to the New World of one million plus was colonial, racist, opportunistic , land grabbing, brutal and ultimately resulted in the genocide of the native American indigenous tribes. Ironically the Southern Irish as a product of their own cowardice and racism ignorantly accuse the Jews of doing similar within the Palestinian territories.

    It was considered the Manifest Destiny of Irish settlers to promote their rights and purpose to inhabit and conquer the entire North American continent at the expense of the indigenous population. American Indians once represented 100 percent of the population of the Americas and four hundred years later they now represent less than one percent through massacre, starvation and genocide perpetrated mainly by the Irish.

    It is estimated that circa 1550 American Indians numbered around 15 million and there are only 238, 000 today.

    A starting point is difficult – we could begin with the 7th President of the United States, Andrew Jackson, first generation Irish and responsible for the slaughter of the Creek Indians and the implementation of Apartheid Laws, the Removal Act of 1830 forcing the native Indians to reservations from their natural homelands and the barbaric Trail of Tears where Indians were marched thousands of miles in atrocious conditions to lands barren of food.

    In the mid to late 19th century just after the Civil war there was Irish dominance of the US Cavalry both in troops and officers. . In his essay Irish of the US military , November 2000 ( link unavailable ), Jim Otto’s research suggests a number of 230,000 Irish populated the US Cavalry equaling 70 percent spanning 39 Regiments , the majority not citizens and on average being in the country for two years or less . The remaining 30 percent of the troops were Buffalo Soldiers ( African-American ), German or Skandinavian.

    According to research the Buffalo soldiers played very little part in the Indian Plains War. The reasons for such a large Irish proportion were simply the economic opportunities for a majority unskilled immigrant workforce.

  150. @Anon

    In ziocon circles, Vidal was nicknamed “Abu Vidal”.

  151. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, but modern-day progs (unlike, say, the New Leftists of the 60s) also think that bombing/attacking foreign countries for ‘human rights’ is a marvelous idea … so long as somebody else’s kids do that bombing and attacking.

    I’m not sure they do. Obama on campaign in 2008 was quite different than bomb bomb the world Obama in office.

    Western countries vote in people promising change all of the time, on many issues, yet the course tends to remain the same. Action and leadership is what our contemporary elites seem to lack.

    Once upon a time, we had a ruling élite that was different. When Abraham Lincoln, for example, said that “our union must be preserved,” he offered up all four of sons as sacrifice

    Truly he deserves to be called “Abraham”.

  152. Art Deco says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    which doesn’t strike me as terribly unfair.

    Well, there’s your problem right there.

    the worst among your co-ethnics

    The worst among my co-ethnics were flayed in Deliverance.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
  153. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    Owing to their dispersion among populations professing creed different from their own, Jews have married ear relatives more frequently than the rest of the world.

    It always another group’s fault. Here, Jews forced to practice incest because other groups “professed creeds different from their own.”

    • Replies: @Svigor
  154. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anon

    Those generous Jewish and other donors save about $400,000 in taxes for every $100,000 they donate to all those bogus NGOs.

    What are the mechanics for that? I believe this is a serious exaggeration of how charity tax deduction works. It is my understanding that those earning more than $500,000 a year pay a top rate of 37% on earnings over that bracket, if they don’t avoid it in some other way.

    This means that a tax deductable donation of $1,000,000 becomes $1,370,000 when it arrive at the NGO but the rich bloke is still out of pocket $1,000,000 and doesn’t actually make money.

    • Replies: @anon
  155. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @The umpteenth German on here

    I think that opponents of mass immigration just don’t do enough to refute the pseudofacts circulated by the Chamber of Commerce-camp.

    What do you mean?

  156. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jimi

    Frida Kahlo’s father was a German that married a Native Mexican.

    Wasn’t Frieda Kahlo Jewish?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  157. Tyrion 2 says:
    @bomag

    He says it couldn’t save itself because it betrayed progressive racial doctrine. That’s a political disagreement.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  158. BB753 says:
    @Anon

    “Maybe Barry and Michelle loved each other. Anyone ever thought of that????”

    Not me, certainly. It’s pretty obvious there’s a lack of chemistry between those two. Barack prefers white guys and Michelle would rather have married a real black man, a tough guy like her brother the basketball player.

  159. anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    It’s an interesting point, but it’s worth mentioning that Obama did more than avoid war with Iran.

  160. istevefan says:
    @IHTG

    The rural/urban split has become an oceanic gulf. It equals the racial divide!

    Isn’t the rural/urban split a sort of proxy for the racial divide? Most nonwhites appear to live in cities or suburbs. So as the nation becomes more nonwhite, the urban areas will diverge more from the rural, white areas. The rural/urban divide is related to the racial divide. It’s not a separate issue.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  161. Tyrion 2 says:
    @syonredux

    Yeah, maybe but I still think the critical theme is persona let down by politics, and certainly not the other way around.

  162. anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:

    Why did I (and I hope others) mark Bush sr. as an antisemite–and vote for Clinton!? In other words, what did Bush do that was so unforgivable that it would make Jews and Israel supporters vote for his abominable opponent? The specific points, as I recall, were these:

    1. Bush refused to cosign for the loan that was to help integrate Soviet immigrants to Israel. The simple act of helping a friendly country would have saved Israel many millions in interest, and Israel had never failed to pay off that that sort of loan. So that was a gratuitously hostile act.

    2. There was some issue about America selling advanced jets to Saudi Arabia, or maybe it was some kind of advanced conformal F-4 fuel tanks. America was betraying a promise to Israel that it would not do this. And then Bush defended this betrayal with what sounded like classic antisemitism by claiming that he was just a little guy trying to the right thing and here he was in Washington surrounded by teeming Israel lobbyists who think they are the real controllers of the US, that sort of thing.

    3. And then his verminous secretary of state Baker went before Congress and said, “What kind of gratitude is that? We GIVE Israel 3 billion dollars every year WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED!” And that was a stone cold lie, as Baker and Bush knew. Israel was required by law to spend 75 percent of that on US military equipment, so it was basically a subsidy to US military companies in strategic political states.

    Bush followed the State dept-CIA Arabist petro-dollars line to torpedo the Shamir government–well what else is new? Israel has survived worse. With Clinton we got the great Arafat peace plan. But Bush and Baker crossed the sort of line that must be punished at the ballot box.

    • Replies: @Mike P.
  163. peterike says:

    “The Presidency by Ralph Lauren.” The evocation of the legendary fashion designer was a sly bit of sociology—the old American aristocracy was already in decline, since its aesthetic had been commodified (by none other than Ralph Lifshitz) and made accessible to all in the democracy of the shopping mall.

    Ahem. I believe the correct word is “appropriated.” Until Liberals acknowledge and soundly condemn the Ur cultural appropriation of Ralph Lifshitz-Lauren, then “cultural appropriation” is just a lot of hot air.

  164. @Anon

    Gore Vidal and Kennan are now ‘racist’ or ‘antisemitic’ too.

    Gore Vidal and George Kennan identified with the patriotic old stocker view of the United States of America against the globalizer view that the USA was just a polyglot money-grubber zone fit for plunder and cultural destruction.

    Gore Vidal and George Kennan understood the need for the people of the Global North to resist the invasionary migrant invader flood from the Global South.

    Both Gore Vidal and George Kennan had some Scotch-Irish ancestry, as do I. Givens for me.

  165. Anonymous[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chris from Gresham

    I’m guessing that if you polled support for Israel vs. Arabs Texas would be more pro-Israel than the northeast, especially if you just polled non-Jews.

    • Replies: @Chris from Gresham
  166. black sea says:
    @Jack D

    Why would I tolerate someone being rude to me and my friends inside my own home? It is not a public space.

    Loudmouthed and opinionated aren’t necessarily the same thing as deliberately rude, I’ll grant you that, but if someone sets out to insult me, my family, or my friends in my home, then they need to go, and I’d prefer not to be “better than that.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  167. @Tyrion 2

    Glad to see you weighing in with the weekly standard hot take. I should have worked the Jews in there if I really wanted to see you care.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  168. Anon[244] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    What should we read to evaluate whether your claim is true?

    Assuming that you aren’t a Jew and therefore making a bad faith rhetorical argument, you are asking for rudimentary information that is widely known by anyone who has read a Bible in-full and by Jews themselves.

    But to play along for a second and give you the benefit of the doubt (which you do not deserve) in being green on this topic, you can start with Deuteronomy. There is much more than this:

    DEUTERONOMY 4:38
    …to drive out before you nations greater and stronger than you and to bring into their land to give it to you as an inheritance, as it is today.

    DEUTERONOMY 7:16
    You must destroy all the peoples the LORD your God gives over to you. Do not look on them with pity and do not serve their gods.

    DEUTERONOMY 7:22
    The LORD your God will drive out those nations before you, little by little. You will not be allowed to eliminate them all at once, or the wild animals will multiply around you. But the LORD your God will deliver them over to you, throwing them into great confusion until they are destroyed. He will give their kings into your hand, and you will wipe out their names from under heaven. No-one will be able to stand against you: You will destroy them all.

    DEUTERONOMY 11:23
    Then the LORD will drive out all these nations before you, and you will dispossess nations larger and stronger than you. Every place where you set your foot will be yours: Your territory will extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the Euphrates River to the Western sea. No man will be able to stand against you. The LORD your God, as he promised you, will put the terror and fear of you on the whole land, where ever you go.

    DEUTERONOMY 12:29
    The LORD your God will cut off before you the nations you are about to invade and dispossess. But when you have driven them out and settled in their land, and after they have been destroyed before you…

    DEUTERONOMY 15:6
    For the LORD your God will bless you as he has promised, and you will lend to many nations but will borrow from none. You will rule over many nations but none will rule over you.

    DEUTERONOMY 20:16
    However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them as the LORD your God has commanded you.

    JOSHUA 11:20
    For it was the LORD himself who hardened their hearts to wage war against Israel, so that he might destroy them totally, exterminating them without mercy, as the LORD had commanded Moses.

    Where is it written that their cycle is 7000 years? What is your reasoning/evidence for thinking it aligns with cultural and political practices?

    Read the rest of my post for the main points that you are avoiding with your niggling question in regard to cultural and political practices, the answer to which was already given in my prior post. Don’t ask me to be repetitive.

    Not that Jews deserve further conversation let alone a debate at this point, but:

    The 7,000 year period is an explicit allegory for the cyclical week, as illustrated by the Sabbath cycle and the explicit Sabbath”Jews will not work” mirror in the Messianic period. Though, my points still hold if you wanted to merely think of the 7,000 year period as a macrocosm of one single non-cyclical week. The same ritualistic principles would apply.

    Because I see that you are so interested in the 7,000 period, I am compelled to ask if you wish to get into it and talk about something more poignant like the supremacist-slave relationship that is explicit in the Jewish teachings about the Messianic period and all that it implies as written by the Jews. You know, since you are so interested in “evidence” being served to you on a silver platter here that has long been in the public sphere?

    I’ll hold my breath.

  169. @IHTG

    They’re waving the tri-color and the Celtic Cross. But yah sure.

    Are we doing make believe deep dive here? Stop arguing from assertion.

  170. @istevefan

    Because no one really knows what’s going on since, as Tyrion asserted earlier, the French always riot and GHWB dying is a massive deal, so why pay attention whattaya whattaya?

    BAP, as usual, seems to have the correct take on this where its right and left vs. Globohomo corporate centrism.

  171. @Art Deco

    which doesn’t strike me as terribly unfair.

    Well, there’s your problem right there.

    Recognizing patterns of behavior is never a problem.

    the worst among your co-ethnics

    The worst among my co-ethnics were flayed in Deliverance.

    Amusing. But still not worse than the jews I’m thinking of. It’s not even close.

  172. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @black sea

    if someone sets out to insult me, my family, or my friends

    Such as what?

  173. Hi Steve: Can you write a blog post about this article? Thanks..

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/03/opinion/male-female-brains-mosaic.html

    Or consider studies that report sex differences in brain structure in terms of two different classes of brains. Thus, a globally publicized study by Madhura Ingalhalikar and colleagues on the human connectome — that is, the enormous set of connections between the different regions of the brain — which concluded that “male brains are structured to facilitate connectivity between perception and coordinated action, whereas female brains are designed to facilitate communication between analytical and intuitive processing modes.

  174. @slumber_j

    … one of the most unpleasant dinner guests I’ve ever encountered. As it happens, all of the other people present that evening were just reminiscing about what a tremendous dick he was …

    Don’t mean to pry, but any interesting tidbits?

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    • Replies: @donut
  175. @neutral

    The French love fascism and fascists, as was proved between the wars, and perhaps even more during their love affair with Germany from 1940 onwards.

  176. @Anon

    So we find that ultimately anti-semitic is just a synonym for gentile.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  177. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Obama – Big Jewish support. Not much of a supporter of Israel.

    Trump – Not much Jewish support. Big supporter of Israel.

    Parallel:

    Obama – Big European support. Not much of a supporter of Europe.

    Trump – Not much European support. Big supporter of Europe.

    Conclusion:

    Ideology, class, caste, region, culture, profession, values, lifestyle all still matter very much. Not everything is race. In fact, far from everything is race. Even if all of the above are tangled together.

  178. Anon[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Its more like a device that attempts to compare and undermine Trump’s image (for them, there is no bottom). Otherwise, I doubt there would be such explicit Progressive / Neocon sentimentalism in regard to Bush.

    Though, also remember that Bush served them well (while they roasted him, similar to how Trump is serving them also). There really isn’t much conflict between their adulation and the political reality of Bush’s presidency, other than the fact that any conservative president has the potential to serve Heritage America (Bush did not). That potential describes any hostility in-full.

    This same potential conflict with Trump is real and not potential, at least in regard to his speech (which is enough for them). This is why they will never give Trump the same treatment as they are giving Bush today.

  179. @Anon

    That was an inspiring comment. I hope you’re right.

  180. Tyrion 2 says:
    @ben tillman

    There’s some truth to that. In that racism and assorted similar words have become, in part, derogatory synonyms for “white”.

    Calling a white person “a racist” can be like calling a black person a nig..r.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  181. @Anonymous

    What should we read to evaluate whether your claim is true?

    Deuteronomy 7, Deuteronomy 20, Isaiah 60 include themes along these lines.

  182. @Tyrion 2

    And then there’s the other N-word.

  183. anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    “Collapse”? The best public opinion surveyors have been able to determine, Jewish voters cast between 20% and 40% of their ballots for Republican presidential candidates, with the best performers being Richard Nixon (programmatic temporizers running against an honest but fatuous man) and Ronald Reagan in 1980 (running against an evangelical). ‘Collapse’ would mean the candidate garners 20% instead of the usual 25%.

    While an undeniable achievement for Bush, ["restraining" West Bank settling] was not without its costs. Bush’s backing by American Jews took a nosedive immediately thereafter…

    Receiving 35% of the Jewish vote in 1988, Bush only got 11% in 1992, when he lost to Bill Clinton. Only one Republican nominee for president has received a smaller portion of Jewish support — when Barry Goldwater claimed just 10% in 1964. Roughly 25% of American Jews voted for Donald Trump in 2016.

  184. But there is one odd way in which Trump’s supporters have gotten what they wanted. Trump isn’t draining the swamp himself, but the shock of his ascent has created swamp-draining conditions — in which other corruptions have suddenly been exposed, and there have been many deserved falls from grace.

    This exposure has vindicated some of the public cynicism that made Trump’s rise possible — because in many cases the newly-exposed scandals were open secrets, known to those in the know, and in some cases they were as baroquely grotesque as any Reddit fantasy. (Like, what if Harvey Weinstein’s whole movie empire was just a procurement agency, and what if he hired ex-Mossad agents to stalk one of the stars of “Charmed” … ?)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/01/opinion/sunday/under-trump-the-swamp-is-draining.html

  185. syonredux says:

    The world overflows with affection for the man long known as Poppy—that clubbable, slightly daffy avatar of decency.

    Should I go for the “clubbable” thing right off the bat? Won’t that seem a little too, you know, Jewy? Nah, screw it, the Golfocaust must never be forgotten!

    When George H. W. Bush passed, so did the last true wasp. In appearance, he embodied what The New York Times’ Alessandra Stanley once called “The Presidency by Ralph Lauren.” The evocation of the legendary fashion designer was a sly bit of sociology—the old American aristocracy was already in decline, since its aesthetic had been commodified (by none other than Ralph Lifshitz) and made accessible to all in the democracy of the shopping mall.

    Yeah, yeah, nobody ever wanted to copy traditional Jewish style:

    But that doesn’t matter. We gotcha clothes, you WASP bastards! Your style belongs to us!

    But George H. W. Bush came from an elite cluster; Harvard President Charles W. Eliot described them as the “superior families.” Bush’s ancestors did business with Rockefellers and Harrimans. In places like Newport and Kennebunkport, these families existed in an inbred world that for many decades self-consciously segregated itself by race, religion, and class.

    Dunno….It’s gonna be awfully easy for some smartypants to point out that section fits Jews….Maybe I should leave it out….Wait, what am I saying….People know better than to criticize Jews in public…..

    Old Money was superior to New Money, because those born into their wealth had been groomed to have perfect manners.

    Goddamn haute-WASPs with your elaborate manners and fancy forks….Second only to the Golfocaust was the Ordeal of Civility……

    The sons of the American aristocracy were sent off to Wall Street, the Foreign Service, and the Senate.

    Well, we got Wall Street and the Foreign Service now, ya WASP bastards…..

    One of the facts of this establishment is that it always worried about its imminent death.

    Maybe I should ask around about that one, seeing how us Jews are always worried about the dangers posed by intermarriage and assimilation….

    In his canonical memoir, Henry Adams, the descendant of presidents, worried that people like himself were disappearing in the tradition of the Indians and the buffalo. And there could be little doubt what a Brahmin such as Adams believed threatened the extinction of his kind. In 1907, he wrote about the worrying presence of immigrants; in particular, he described a “furtive Yacoob or Ysaac still reeking of the ghetto.”

    Do you have any idea of the pain that I suffered when I read The Education of Henry Adams? Being reminded that America existed before my people arrived?

    George H. W. Bush had traces of this sense of superiority, with his relentless pursuit of dynastic governance. One can read this instinct as laudable: a father cultivating love of public service in his progeny. But there was a dangerous undercurrent, too. The nation needed the Bushes because of their breeding. Here was a family intent on preserving its place at the high table of American life.

    Look, this was basically a race war. Jew vs WASP…..and Us Jews have got the good chair now….

    And he noted how the old-stock Protestants were in the process of committing class suicide. He predicted that with their prejudice and insularity, the members of this old aristocracy would find themselves in abeyance, pushed aside by more talented members of minority groups.

    Gosh I’m clever. Note how I said “minority groups.” Of course, I mean Jews…..but this allows idiots to insert Blacks and Latinx

    He heaped praise on the likes of Teddy Roosevelt and the presidents of universities who understood the imperative of democratizing their elite, opening it to groups unlike themselves—an act of beneficence and a means of preserving the institutions and privileges of their own cohort.

    Yeah, all that WASP talk about being inclusive was just a smokescreen…..a way to maintain control….Too bad for them that they believed their own spiel…..

    I don’t mean to dismiss the wasp sense of duty. It was real, and quite often a force for good in the world. George H. W. Bush acquired a certain wisdom through his years of service: He showed a steady hand at world-historic moments and a tenacious commitment to diplomacy, and he displayed remarkable grace in defeat and often dealt with his political foes in uncommonly good faith.

    Rule Number One: You gotta sprinkle in a few kind words in a hit piece….Otherwise the animus will be too obvious….

    But sometimes nobody seemed to believe in George Bush’s best intentions more than himself—which meant that he couldn’t understand when people failed to forgive his most odious mistakes.

    Here we go, baby!

    Once upon a time, the Republican Party had served as one of Old Money’s favorite clubs.

    GODDAMN WASP CLUBS!

    But by the time George H. W. Bush joined the game, the party was changing. It was reconstituting itself as the stalwart of the American South, defined by its reaction to Democrats’ embrace of civil rights.

    If there’s one thing that I hate more than Yankee bluebloods, it’s Southerners….So icky….

    The notorious Willie Horton ad of 1988, which crudely stoked racial fears, is often dismissed as the handiwork of the consultant Lee Atwater, not an expression of George Bush’s heart. But really it was a plot point consistent with the narrative of his career: A man who wanted to be lauded as a force for racial progress frequently positioned himself on the side of abject racism.

    Remember, Blacks, Jews are on your side….

    George Bush’s foreign policy was famously realist: Moral values were worth defending, but not at the expense of the national interest. The same could be said of his own career. After so accurately decrying “voodoo economics,” he joined the administration that enshrined them. He stood by Reagan as he opposed sanctions against South Africa’s apartheid regime, and as the administration mounted a crusade against “reverse discrimination,” an effort to undo affirmative action.

    Again, Jews are on your side. Trust us, not those duplicitous, double-dealing WASPs….

    One of the great counterfactuals of American history is pondering what would have happened if George Bush had exerted greater control over the destiny of the Republican Party. What if the moderate Republicans of the late 1950s and early ’60s had aggressively owned the civil-rights agenda—and rendered the cause of racial justice a bipartisan concern? If the Old Money Republicans could have mustered that leadership, and stood firm against the flow of segregationists into their club, it might have precluded the invention of Richard Nixon’s “southern strategy” and the generations of racialized politics that followed.

    God, those rich WASPs are so weak and pathetic…..

    Obituaries present George H. W. Bush as the last of the Republican moderates. In reality, he was an archetypal representative of the modern party, a man whose sense of duty failed him when it came to resisting the rise of racially revanchist, libertarian forces.

    At the risk of repeating myself, Jews are on the side of the POC.

    He embodied an Establishment that wrote very nice thank-you notes. But good manners are hardly the same as moral courage; prudence is sometimes hard-hearted. Those who are mourning the passing of the old Establishment should mourn its many failures, too.

    Look, us Jews are crude and ill-mannered, but we’ve got soft hearts…..I mean, we’re willing to allow in limitless hordes of POC into the West……

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    • LOL: utu
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Charles Pewitt
  186. @RichardTaylor

    It seems unlikely that all those pillars of the Establishment in New York and Philadelphia “had incredible contempt for White people outside of New England”.

  187. gcochran says:
    @Anonymous

    Lincoln had one son of military age, who got a staff job. Jefferson Davis had no son of military age.

    FDR had four sons that served in the military: all saw combat.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  188. @Felix Keverich

    Right, Soros was a collaborator, not a Nazi.

  189. anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    ….a tax deductable donation of $1,000,000 becomes $1,370,000 when it arrive at the NGO but the rich bloke is still out of pocket $1,000,000 and doesn’t actually make money.

    I don’t know how it works either, but I think the anti-semitic/conspiracy theory angle is that the rich bloke isn’t out the million, because he’s in cahoots with the other rich blokes/Jews/Illuminati (delete as appropriate).

    If you and I give each other a million dollars via our charitable foundations, then we both pocket 370k. Multiply this outwards and you have the charitable foundation money laundering scam.

    Like I said, I don’t know this stuff works, and so I don’t know if this accurately describes things. But it is what some people think, and so might be what anon was getting at.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  190. Ed says:
    @Anon

    I think they do now. I’m just saying based on his background would have expected a white women or higher status light skinned woman.

  191. syonredux says:
    @gcochran

    Lincoln had one son of military age, who got a staff job. Jefferson Davis had no son of military age.

    FDR had four sons that served in the military: all saw combat.

    I know that you don’t like Theodore Roosevelt, but all of his sons saw combat in the Great War, and one of them died in action:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_Roosevelt

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    , @Anonymous
  192. Anon[196] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Socialism can’t keep roofs over people’s heads. A lot of old buildings are falling apart in Havana.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/12/02/havana-cuba-collapsing-buildings-housing-unesco/1998606002/

  193. syonredux says:
    @Anon

    Her fathers regular job was management level city job. I think the water department. He was very high up in the Democratic Party apparatus. It was an advantageous marriage for new comer Barry

    Maybe Barry and Michelle loved each other. Anyone ever thought of that????

    Marriage to a White woman would have been political suicide for Obama; it would have cost him the Black female vote.

  194. @Anonymous

    Steve Sailer did write about the possibility of a new book of him, so – – – – – – – some of his readers (like me, for example) remember this possibility here and there.

    John Derbyshire said, it took him quite a while to talk Steve Sailer’s last book about the pre-presidential Barack Obama of The Dreams of my Father into being, really, but he did make it – and the book is profound. Impressive. Well thought out and written. I do quote it here and there and have made quite some effect with the quotes. For some German readers, it’s hard to digest, that race indeed is a thing for Obama. Even more disturbing is the almost completely overlooked but nevertheless quite interesting fact, that Obama likes David Epstein’s book The Sports Gene about race and – – sports, of course.

    That would be an must for Steve’s next book too – the hint at Obama actually liking this book, and this notification could have been found in one publication only, at least by a dumbass like me – and that is: Right here on iSteve! – Nothing easier than that!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  195. J.Ross says: • Website

    Clinton Global Initiative donors gave military materiel to the Islamic Republic of Iran
    source is a dot gov
    Dear readers, before you kill your wife, make sure everyone understands that you are close with House Clinton. That way you will not be punished.

    Abul Huda Farouki, 75, of McLean, Virginia; his brother Mazen Farouki, 73, of Boyce, Virginia; and Salah Maarouf, 71, of Fairfax, Virginia, were each charged in an indictment filed in the District of Columbia with two counts of major fraud, one count of conspiracy to violate the restrictions on doing business with Iran, four counts of substantive violations of those restrictions, and one count of conspiracy to commit international money laundering. The defendants made their initial appearance on Nov. 29 before Judge G. Michael Harvey. All were arraigned and pleaded not guilty. The next hearing is scheduled for Dec. 6 before Judge Trevor N. McFadden.

    According to the indictment, on June 22, 2012, the U.S. Department of Defense awarded Anham an $8 billion contract to provide food and supplies to U.S. troops in Afghanistan known as the “SPV-A contract.” As part of the bidding process, the defendants allegedly caused Anham to represent that it would build two warehouses in Afghanistan, which Anham would use to provide supplies to U.S. forces. The indictment alleges that the defendants schemed to defraud the Department of Defense in connection with the SPV-A contract by submitting bids that contained knowingly false estimates of the completion dates for the warehouses and by providing the government with misleading photographs intended to convey that Anham’s progress on the warehouses was further along than it actually was. Specifically, the indictment alleges that, in February of 2012, the defendants and others caused Anham employees to transport construction equipment and materials to the proposed site of one of the warehouse complexes to create the false appearance of an active construction site. Members of the conspiracy then photographed the site, provided the photographs to the Department of Defense, and then largely deconstructed the staged construction site.

    The SPV-A contract also required bidders to certify that they abide by the Iran Sanctions Act, which prohibits U.S. citizens and companies from engaging in commercial activity in Iran. According to the indictment, the defendants conspired to increase Anham’s profits in connection with the SPV-A contract by shipping warehouse building materials to Afghanistan via Iran, instead of using more costly, but legal, routes. According to the indictment, after learning that the Wall Street Journal was planning to run a story detailing Anham’s practice of shipping materials through Iran, Abul Huda Farouki sent an email to a senior Department of Defense official, which falsely claimed that senior management at Anham had been unaware that the transshipments through Anham had taken place.

    In addition to the SPV-A contract, the indictment alleges that the defendants schemed to defraud the Department of Defense with respect to the National Afghan Trucking (NAT) contract, which was a $984 million contract that required Anham to supply trucking services to the U.S. Military in Afghanistan. As with the SPV-A contract, the NAT contract required bidders to certify compliance with laws concerning sanctions placed on Iran. According to the indictment, rather than ship trucks to Afghanistan using legal but relatively expensive routes, the defendants conspired to cut costs by transporting vehicles through Iran. The indictment alleges that the defendants’ conduct violated laws prohibiting fraud, commercial activity with Iran, and international money laundering.

    http://archive.is/uobRf

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/three-senior-executives-defense-contracting-firms-charged-scheme-defraud-us-military

  196. @Art Deco

    Vidal’s loathing of Jews was quite explicit.

    The Podhoretzes called him out as a pervert. Can’t tolerate that.

    • Replies: @donut
    , @Jack D
  197. We’re not anti-Semitic, we just don’t like Frank Foer.

    He suffers from reverse solipsism.

  198. @Anon

    Maybe Barry and Michelle loved each other. Anyone ever thought of that????

    She makes a good beard.

  199. If they want to hate a president for being anti-Israel, try Carter. Even Nixon, who disliked Jews on a personal basis, supported Israel for strategic reasons.

    And in terms of racial superiority, here’s an article about a couple in a rural area of Germany who do not want “more cowbell.” Strangely, the article does not name or picture the plaintiffs, but I’m wondering just why anyone would choose to live in a country house and not expect or even welcome country sounds.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6454643/German-couple-sue-farmer-herds-clanging-COWBELLS-near-home.html#article-6454643

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @anon
  200. OFWHAP says:
    @Hgh

    Ugh… I was going to use that one. Still good though!

  201. J.Ross says: • Website
    @syonredux

    Fantastic, the comment is the post.
    Franklin Foer is the more competant brother of Jonathan Safran Foer, the “novelist” who wrote Everything Is Illuminated, and his fluffy but readable and reasonably factual book on map-type memorization, Moonwalking With Einstein, is worth a look. In the introduction he finds space for a digression on a typically “stereotype-destroying” Jewish bodybuilder.

  202. @syonredux

    Do you have any idea of the pain that I suffered when I read The Education of Henry Adams? Being reminded that America existed before my people arrived?

    The Education of Henry Adams was a good book! Henry Adams was a much better writer than that horrible bastard Henry James. Henry James was an ugly rat who got back at the world for being created so ugly by writing crappy books.

    The pain that many billionaire Jews will suffer will be when they are financially liquidated in the next round of the global financial implosion. Jew billionaires will not be bailed out the next time the global financial system implodes; neither will the WASP billionaires, nor any billionaires.

    The wooden boat people will have to make deals with the steel boat people to advance and defend the interests of the European Christian ancestral core of the United States. Some of the steel boat people have done nothing but attack the European Christians who allowed them into the country.

    Shelly Adelson and Mike Bloomberg and Marc Zuckerberg and many more of the anti-White and anti-Christian steel boat people will be removed from power and they will not be allowed to move to any other European Christian nation when they are expelled from the United States.

    The wooden boat people understand that 1607 came before 1620 and the bastards who pranced down the gangplank in the 1620 crowd had nothing but money-grubbing on their mind. Don’t buy that “city upon a hill” horseshit for one second. You steel boat people ought to know that that was a bunch of propaganda slop cooked up by the kind of scum who bred the treasonous rat globalizers in the Bush Organized Crime Syndicate.

  203. Since George H.W. Bush’s presidency, Republicans have become much more, almost unanimously, pro-Israel. Unfortunately, we’ve lost ground with the Dems — a lot. And that reallignment is not unrelated to the larger global context.

    For it was easier to get worked up about Jews colonizing the West Bank thirty years ago, than it is now. Today we live in a new golden age of colonization in which Arabs (and many others) are fanning out and colonizing Europe, North America and Australia. And besides, Palestine, even more than America, has always been a country of immigrants.

    • Replies: @JLK
    , @Anonymous
    , @Anon
  204. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Tolerant Liberal

    This being the place that it is I demand to know the sample size of the poll that established what most Jews think.

  205. Anonym says:
    @Jack D

    The whole country will go to hell – no public services will work anymore, crime will be rampant, etc. but at least it will be OK to criticize Jews so it won’t be ALL bad!

    This is Hart and Cellar’s utopia.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  206. Anonymous[601] • Disclaimer says:

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  207. JLK says:
    @International Jew

    Since George H.W. Bush’s presidency, Republicans have become much more, almost unanimously, pro-Israel.

    It’s the Fox News effect.

  208. anon[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Hey, it could have been true. Never mind it wasn’t. It is a teaching moment.

  209. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    My understanding is that the first prominent American Bush was Samuel Bush from Ohio, the father of Prescott Bush, the former without a formal higher education who worked his way into the burgeoning Railway business and who was considered a minor great Industrialist from that age.

    Samuel’s grandfather’s brother George was prominent long before then.

    The scion of an old colonial family, George Bush (1796-1859) was born in Norwich, Vermont, in 1796. After earning a degree from Dartmouth College, he was professor of Hebrew and Oriental literature at New York University from 1832 to 1846 and was, according to the Dictionary of American Biography, “prominent in his day as scholar, writer, and controversialist.”

    He was once considered “one of the most profound and ingenious scholars of the present age,” and his over thirty volumes of polemic, biblical commentary, and interpretive history of religion enjoyed great popularity in the mid-nineteenth century. His views on the Hebrew language, the Jews, and their place in Christian society, and his statements about the possibility of a restoration of the Jews to the Holy Land, had considerable influence. Thus his books have to be taken into account in any evaluation of the early study of Hebrew and Judaism in America. They are equally important in tracing the roots of “Christian Zionism” in American Protestant circle.

    http://americanjewisharchives.org/publications/journal/PDF/1991_43_01_00.pdf

  210. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    This is why it’s important to always have some blacks at the highest level of foreign policy. They aren’t neocons or neocon approved. They are selected for diversity. The intention in picking them is bringing racial diversity but it ends up also bringing an outside perspective apart from the swamp. Powell, Rice, and Obama slowed down or stopped war with Iraq, Russia, and Iran respectively.

    I agree, but they have to be liberal social activist types because black conservatives are compliant neocons (e.g.,Allen West, Tim Scott, Mia Love)

  211. Mr. Blank says:

    Poppy Bush was president when I was in high school. One thing I remember is that the only two Muslims I knew at the time — one a fellow student, the other a history teacher — both loved him, mainly for his real or perceived efforts at putting a leash on the Israelis.

    I didn’t connect the dots at the time, but in hindsight, that explains a lot.

  212. JohnnyD says:

    Ironically, The Atlantic is a good case study in Wasp decline. It was once an Uber Wasp and very American publication. Now it’s edited by Jeffery Goldberg and provides a platform for Ta-Nehisi Coates.

  213. @Anon

    I noted the other day that the Red Belt of the Italian North is voting Le Lega. Now Red Andalucia is voting for the oddly(to an American)-named Vox, who won a dozen seats in elections on Sunday.

    I don’t know anything about them, but the Guardian says they are “far-right” so they are probably sensible patriots. Apparently they want to build a wall, no word on who’s going to pay for it.

    https://elpais.com/elpais/2018/12/03/inenglish/1543832942_674971.html

  214. @Tiny Duck.

    anti-semite: one who says what the Jews are doing

  215. Matra says:
    @istevefan

    The monument attacks were ‘signed’ by anarchist leftists. I don’t think anyone would be surprised if the government were involved in dirty tricks to make the gilets jaunes look bad.

    I watched one report from French TV of interviews with protesters. In one case they were being grilled about the lack of diversity among the protesters. The reporter sounded like she was trying to shame them.

  216. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    “The face of modern conservatism.”

    Conservative? He isn’t likely to even conserve his dong and balls.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Anon
  217. Franz says:
    @Anonymous

    What is “UU”?

    Old slang for Jewish (shorthand, neutral.)

    Writers in the 40s and 50s used UU a lot. Vidal was especially bombarded a lot by Paddy Chayefsky, who stiffed him and bugged him constantly though they were never (except once) on the same project.

    Finally Vidal got curious and ask William Wyler what the bug up Paddy’s ass was. Wyler just laughed and said, “Paddy thinks movie writing is a Jews-only club, and you ain’t in it!”

    How it is now I don’t know. But when Podhoretz called Vidal out as anti-Semitic for reporting things like that in print, he was either ignorant or (more probably) very, very dishonest.

  218. phil says:

    Can we just get over labels like “racist” and “anti-Semitic,” which are used to imply that NOT being “racist” or “anti-Semitic” is more important than speaking the truth an acting on it?

    The truth is that not all races have the same civilizational capacities. The truth is also that, while there are many wonderful and talented individual Jews, the influence of Organized Jewry is, on the whole, very harmful. There is indeed less of a feeling of noblesse oblige than had been the case with WASP leadership; public discourse has become increasingly coarse and divisive. Donald Trump epitomizes the coarseness, but he did not initiate it. Moreover, Organized Jewry has shown little respect for the historic US Constitution, and it has gotten the US involved in endless Middle East conflicts that do not benefit ordinary Americans. In this respect, being “anti-Semitic” is a moral duty and something of which one should be proud.

  219. Anonymous[338] • Disclaimer says:
    @Che Guava

    Not unless Jews caused Perot to run.

    • Replies: @utu
  220. @syonredux

    It could be said that Teddy Jr also died in action, albeit of a heart attack, and in July of 1944. He was the only general to land with the first wave on D-Day, the oldest man to land that day, at 56, and the only man whose son also landed that day. This was Quentin, named, of course, after his heroically fallen uncle.

  221. anon[153] • Disclaimer says:

    Franklin Foer’s article drips with envy. Jews are upset that no matter how successful they become, they’ll never receive the same respect or love as the WASPs once did.

    This 2003 article in the WSJ (by a Jew no less) speaks of WASP’s place in America, and why a country ruled by WASPs is better than that ruled by the current crop of “meritocrats”. Simply put, WASPs were morally upright and had class, meritocrats(aka Jews and scrappy whites like Irish/poor whites) are greedy, selfish, lack class:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-late-great-american-wasp-1387586625

    The acronym WASP derives, of course, from White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, but as acronyms go, this one is more deficient than most. Lots of people, including powerful figures and some presidents, have been white, Anglo-Saxon and Protestant but were far from being WASPs. Neither Jimmy Carter nor Bill Clinton qualified.

    WASPs were a caste, closed off to all not born within it, with the possible exception of those who crashed the barriers by marrying in. WASP credentials came with lineage, and lineage—that is, proper birth—automatically brought connections to the right institutions. Yale, Princeton and Harvard were the great WASP universities, backed up by Choate, Groton, Andover, Exeter and other prep schools. WASPs tended to live in exclusive neighborhoods: on upper Park and Fifth Avenues in New York, on the Main Line in Philadelphia, the Back Bay in Boston, Lake Forest and Winnetka in Chicago.

    So dominant was WASP culture that some wealthy families who didn’t qualify by lineage attempted to imitate and live the WASP life. The Catholic Kennedys were the most notable example. The Kennedy compound at Hyannis Port—the sailing, the clothes, the touch football played on expansive green lawns—was pure WASP mimicry, all of it, except that true WASPs were too upstanding to go in for the unscrupulous business dealings of Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. or the feckless philanderings of him and some of his sons.

    …To this day, the designer Ralph Lauren (né Lifshitz) turns out clothes inspired by his notion of the WASP high life, lived on the gracious margins of expensive leisure.

    Much can be—and has been—written about the shortcomings of the WASPocracy. As a class, it was exclusionary and hence tolerant of social prejudice, if not often downright snobbish. Tradition-minded, it tended to be dead to innovation and social change. Imagination wasn’t high on its list of admired qualities.

    Yet the WASP elite had dignity and an impressive sense of social responsibility. In a 1990 book called “The Way of the Wasp,” Richard Brookhiser held that the chief WASP qualities were “success depending on industry; use giving industry its task; civic-mindedness placing obligations on success, and antisensuality setting limits to the enjoyment of it; conscience watching over everything.”

    Under WASP hegemony, corruption, scandal and incompetence in high places weren’t, as now, regular features of public life. Under WASP rule, stability, solidity, gravity and a certain weight and aura of seriousness suffused public life. As a ruling class, today’s new meritocracy has failed to provide the positive qualities that older generations of WASPs provided.

    What our new meritocrats have failed to evince—and what the older WASP generation prided itself on—is character and the ability to put the well-being of the nation before their own. Character embodied in honorable action is at the heart of the novels and stories of Louis Auchincloss, America’s last unembarrassedly WASP writer. Doing the right thing, especially in the face of temptations to do otherwise, was the WASP test par excellence. Most of our meritocrats, by contrast, seem to be in business for themselves.

    Trust, honor, character: The elements that have departed U.S. public life with the departure from prominence of WASP culture have not been taken up by the meritocrats. Many meritocrats who enter politics, when retired by the electorate from public life, proceed to careers in lobbying or other special-interest advocacy. University presidents no longer speak to the great issues in education but instead devote themselves to fundraising and public relations, and look to move on to the next, more prestigious university presidency.

    A financier I know who grew up under the WASP standard not long ago told me that he thought that the subprime real estate collapse and the continuing hedge-fund scandals have been brought on directly by men and women who are little more than “greedy pigs” (his words) without a shred of character or concern for their clients or country. Naturally, he added, they all have master’s degrees from the putatively best business schools in the nation.

    Thus far in their history, meritocrats, those earnest good students, appear to be about little more than getting on, getting ahead and (above all) getting their own. The WASP leadership, for all that may be said in criticism of it, was better than that.

    The WASPs’ day is done. Such leadership as it provided isn’t likely to be revived. Recalling it at its best is a reminder that the meritocracy that has followed it marks something less than clear progress. Rather the reverse.

    • Replies: @utu
  222. @LondonBob

    Arafat did what any sensible gentile did when offered a ‘good deal’ by Jewish opponent, ran a mile.

    One of the problems we face is having so few sensible gentiles.

  223. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Bush and James Baker were urbane, worldly Texas oilmen who seemed to combine the worst of the Arabists and the Texans to the neocons.

    In contrast, the neocons loved George W. Bush because he was a bumpkin state governor who didn’t know anything about the rest of the world and was willing to rely upon the neocons and neocon approved figures like Dick Cheney.

    This is a good article on this topic from Slate 16 years ago, back when it was less crazy than it is now:

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2002/04/the-bush-family-and-the-jews.html

    George Herbert Walker Bush shared the same exclusionary pedigree as his father, starting with Yale and the secret society Skull & Bones, and had extensive ties to Arabs through the oil industry as well. But most Jews did not consider him unfriendly to their interests so long as he served under Ronald Reagan. Reagan was the first Republican in 80 years to win a sizable share of the Jewish vote. There were a variety of reasons for this, but the key issue was Reagan’s hard line on the defense of Israel, which he considered a crucial democratic outpost in the fight against Soviet communism. In the 1980 election, Jimmy Carter won 45 percent of the Jewish vote. Reagan won 39 percent.

    That remarkable shift, however, began to be undone almost as soon as George H.W. Bush took over in 1989. Bush was a self-described pragmatist in international affairs, and in the giddy early days after the end of the Cold War, it was no longer fashionable to view the world in binary terms. As a result, many conservative ideological causes—among them Israel—no longer found a champion in the White House. The point was made most clearly when Bush demanded, in 1991, that the Israelis stop building new settlements in Palestinian-controlled territories. Unlike previous presidents, Bush sounded serious, threatening to block millions in loan guarantees if Israel disobeyed. (Later, when his re-election was in doubt in 1992, Bush promised to press Congress for the loan guarantees unconditionally.)

    Just as damaging was the elder Bush’s knack for seeming as out of touch with Jewish voters as he did with everyone else. Once, during a 1991 White House press conference, Bush Sr. complained about the strength of the Jewish lobby on Capitol Hill—the implication being that “Jews work insidiously behind the scenes,” as David J. Forman wrote in the Jerusalem Post. On another occasion, Bush reminded his critics that the United States gives “Israel the equivalent of $1,000 for every Israeli citizen,” a remark that detractors took as an allusion to the stereotype of Jews as money-obsessed and greedy.

    And then there was Secretary of State James Baker’s infamous “fuck the Jews” remark. In a private conversation with a colleague about Israel, Baker reportedly uttered the vulgarity, noting that Jews “didn’t vote for us anyway.” This was more or less true—Bush got 27 percent of the Jewish vote, compared with 73 percent for Dukakis, in 1988. And thanks in part to Baker, it was even truer in 1992, when Bill Clinton got 78 percent of the Jewish vote and Bush got only 15 percent—the poorest showing by a Republican candidate since Barry Goldwater in 1964.

  224. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    There was nothing great about that war.

  225. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Even Nixon, who disliked Jews on a personal basis, supported Israel for strategic reasons.

    On a personal basis, Nixon liked Jews. What he didn’t like was Jewish racial politics.

  226. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew

    Since George H.W. Bush’s presidency, Republicans have become much more, almost unanimously, pro-Israel. Unfortunately, we’ve lost ground with the Dems — a lot. And that reallignment is not unrelated to the larger global context.

    Who is “we”?

    • Replies: @International Jew
  227. @The umpteenth German on here

    I think that opponents of mass immigration just don’t do enough to refute the pseudofacts circulated by the Chamber of Commerce-camp.

    We can’t. We have no platform.

    I’d also like to ask what’s up with the Gallup numbers cited in Congresswoman Jayapal’s manifesto of reality distortion, history revision and linguistic dissimulation.

    They’re lies, like everything else used to “justify” immigration.

  228. anon[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Carter did not show excessive attachment to Israel because he had the sagacity to retain the service and heed the advise of his brilliant National Security Advisor Samuel Huntington. In his seminal 1996 work Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order, Huntington warned against imposing western values of individuality, liberty and democracy on non-western countries by referring to them as “universal values”. In his equally prescient 2006 book Who Are We? he warned against over immigration and lack of assimilation esp. by Hispanic immigrants, and against allowing dual citizenship which enables citizens of other countries to push for policies that favor their home country at the expense of US interests, he even explicitly called out Israel. Both of these books should be must reads for all GOP members.

    Huntington was a brilliant thinker and taught Government & Politics at Harvard for 50 years, starting at age 23 when he got his PhD. Kris Kobach was a protege of Huntington when he went to Harvard, and fully embraces Huntington’s political views. If Kobach ever gets into the WH, America will have a chance of survival. If not, we have no place to go but down. Trump is not draining the swamp, he is part of the swamp.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @utu
  229. donut says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Vidal had a correspondence with Tim McVeigh while he was waiting to be executed . Vidal published selected letters in a short book . McVeigh had some views the role of gov’t that were worth a hearing .

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Reg Cæsar
  230. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonym

    This is Hart and Cellar’s utopia.

    Because the more dysfunctional are Gentile groups and societies, the less appealing they are to Jews who may otherwise wish to join them and intermarry.

  231. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Both of these books should be must reads for all GOP members.

    Are they difficult reads?

  232. was there any nostalgia for GH though? his death barely made a blip on the internet, and adults around me barely said a word about him.

    i see ann coulter made a similar observation.

  233. truthman says:

    Skimmed over the comments, so don’t know if people have mentioned it, and the article writers should realize this, but Bush, in his worst act as president, signed, and signed it quite approvingly, the horrible 1990 immigration expansion act. He could have vetoed it and rallied his party behind him, and probably not faced a Buchanan run in 1992 against him.

  234. donut says:
    @Anonymous

    Gee that is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

  235. utu says:
    @anon

    Huntington’s 1992 lecture at American Enterprise Institute one year after the first Gulf War outlined the new direction for the US and pointed to new enemy after the Cold War. He wrote what all think tanks already have been taking about and advocating thought out late 1980s.

    “Huntington argues that the Islamic civilization has experienced a massive population explosion which is fueling instability both on the borders of Islam and in its interior, where fundamentalist movements are becoming increasingly popular. Manifestations of what he terms the “Islamic Resurgence” include the 1979 Iranian revolution and the first Gulf War. Perhaps the most controversial statement Huntington made in the Foreign Affairs article was that “Islam has bloody borders”. Huntington believes this to be a real consequence of several factors, including the previously mentioned Muslim youth bulge and population growth and Islamic proximity to many civilizations including Sinic, Orthodox, Western, and African.

    Huntington sees Islamic civilization as a potential ally to China, both having more revisionist goals and sharing common conflicts with other civilizations, especially the West. Specifically, he identifies common Chinese and Islamic interests in the areas of weapons proliferation, human rights, and democracy that conflict with those of the West, and feels that these are areas in which the two civilizations will cooperate.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  236. utu says:
    @anon

    “…Foer’s article drips with envy. Jews are upset that no matter how successful they become, they’ll never receive the same respect or love…”

    They are not into being loved. If they were they wouldn’t have survived the 2000 years of diaspora. There is no room for compromise either. Their way or no way.

  237. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/george-bush-in-box-president-or-grand-strategist/#comment-2651987

    (5) Bush is deemed untrustworthy by the Lobby and a big risk to Israel as a second term president. Anti Bush campaign begins in NYT with weekly columns of Friedman and Safire. Bad economy meme is created.

    (6). Useful idiot Ross Perot enters the race. The exact repeat of play from 1912 election when the incumbent Taft was denied reelection by the third party run of Teddy Roosevelt to elect Wilson. Clinton is elected and just like Wilson does everything Wall Street wants. Clinton deregulates banking and sets the course for the neoliberal globalization.

    • Replies: @nsa
    , @Che Guava
  238. “Jewish Jocks” are what, athletic supporters for circumcised men? Some great comments on this article.

  239. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    After reading those excerpts I gotta conclude: Huntington wasn’t very smart after all. Just another establishment thinker.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  240. @Svigor

    If you do a google search for “Christmas tree” you do get a similar graphic.

    • Replies: @Hail
  241. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Sam Rockwell as GWB looks wonderful. Rockwell has been good for a long time and he appears to be at his peak right now.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  242. anon[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Dumb for a President, and I don’t mean president of a ML baseball team. When he was at Yale he was present on campus for the beginning opposition to the Vietnam War. I don’t begrudge him dodging the war, but I do think the absence of any ‘lessons learned’ was a disgrace. Everybody knew it was a bad idea, almost instinctively.

    I recall innumerable debates on the topic of whether it was a miscalculation or the inevitable outcome of the MIC. Not that they the debates ever got anywhere. But at least the ugliness of the practice of war was right out there. It could be avoided but not if you were of draft age.

    Since Vietnam didn’t seem to register on Hillary, maybe most people came away with either nothing or the wrong lesson. I recall Hillary’s Munich moment, which came only a week after I swore I would never vote for anyone who cited Munich to justify anything.

    What’s the lesson? I see it as ‘don’t go in without the level of background contained in the Pentagon Papers.’ Nothing really deep or grand, but what is the ethnic and political situation with a bit of history. And secondly, what sort of manpower is needed to occupy a country.

    We all learned about Sunni and Shia and Kurd animosity. And we sent in Paul Brenner?? Well…the hell with it. We did Libya, and Syria was all teed up. Still is, although even our military is tired of losing. When us the last time you heard Assad’s name Not followed by ‘he murdered thousands of his own people’. And blather about barely lethal alleged gas attacks.

  243. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    Frida maintained that her father was of Jewish descent but recent genealogical research shows that he wasn’t – he was German Lutheran.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  244. Art Deco says:
    @donut

    McVeigh had some views the role of gov’t that were worth a hearing .

    [eyeroll]

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  245. Flip says:
    @Franz

    Vidal is only remembered by the Right as a pervert now, too bad. Jackie Onassis noted that Vidal’s nemesis Bill Buckley was a fag too. How soon we forget!

    I’ve not heard that. He had a wife and son.

  246. Flip says:
    @neutral

    Chile and Spain are better places due to Pinochet and Franco.

  247. Mike P. says:
    @anonymous

    The requirement to use the money to buy from US suppliers isn’t some huge string attached. We’re still giving Israel tons of top quality military equipment for free.

  248. Flip says:
    @Anon

    Six actually. A daughter died as a child.

  249. @Anon

    Conservative? He isn’t likely to even conserve his dong and balls.

    Pickled.

    That’s “conservatism” nowadays. What we used to have pickled and put on the shelf so we can remember it.

  250. anon[124] • Disclaimer says:

    Eh, sort of, sort of not. The Walkers and the Bushes were business families from the Midwest who moved to the northeast for opportunities.

    Allmost. The Herbert Walkers went bust in Baltimore, became wealthy in St Louis, and moved back East to spend it.

    Prescott went west to Ohio, before moving to Connecticut. The industrial Midwest was booming while New England was the first rustbelt like bust. Their archetypal industry was textiles, which migrates to lowest wage areas.

    These guys were hardly insular.

  251. Anon[285] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: CNN’s Jeff Zucker says he might run against Trump in 2020.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-03/cnns-jeff-zucker-may-challenge-trump-2020

    Someone in the comments says he’d pay good money to watch Zucker debate Avenatti. I’m beginning to think Hillary is a shoo-in for the Dem nomination because everyone else that’s trying for the slot is even worse. This may be a trend in Democratic candidates for national office. All the decent people either left or were hounded out of the party, and they’re a solid wall of sleazeballs with nary a drop of honest ethics or sane brain among them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  252. @Anon

    Who will control French nukes when the riots are over?
    Apparently they have 290 warheads.
    3rd biggest nuke force on planet.
    The famed Curie family of scientists had France far along in nuclear research even prior to WWII. France is a big processor of nuclear fuel.

  253. @Felix Keverich

    There is no reason why a white guy like Cheney should be concerned with prosperity and security of Israel for example.

    Isn’t it in our interests to encourage aliyah? Sounds like a win-win to me. Who loses?

  254. Anon[330] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Bruce Springsteen must be reading Robert Plomin.

    https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/a25133821/bruce-springsteen-interview-netflix-broadway-2018/

    The incessant whisper of your genes pushes you to your mean in various traits.

    Why, I ask, do so many men, whether they’re sixty-five or twenty-five, refuse to take responsibility for their actions?

    Springsteen sighs. “I would go back to DNA. If you grow up in a household where people are refusing to take responsibility for their lives, chances are you’re gonna refuse. You’re gonna see yourself as a professional victim. And once that’s locked into you, it takes a lotta self-awareness, a lotta work to come out from under it. I’m shocked at the number of people that I know who fall into this category. And it has nothing to do with whether you’re successful or not. It’s just your baggage. So that’s important to communicate to your children: They have to take responsibility for who they are, their actions, what they do. They’ve got to own their lives.”

    But you can escape to the far tail of your Bell curves if you put effort into it and control your enviornment as much as possible:

    DNA is a big part of what the show is about: turning yourself into a free agent. Or, as much as you can, into an adult, for lack of a better word. It’s a coming-of-age story, and I want to show how this—one’s coming of age—has to be earned. It’s not given to anyone. It takes a certain single-minded purpose. It takes self-awareness, a desire to go there. And a willingness to confront all the very fearsome and dangerous elements of your life—your past, your history—that you need to confront to become as much of a free agent as you can. This is what the show is about…It’s me reciting my ‘Song of Myself.’ ”

    The following sounds like a layman’s description of Wilson’s Law, heritability increases with age for many traits, the influence of peers falls away and your genetic nature from your parents (1st and 2nd laws of behavioral genetics) becomes more pure:

    Do you feel you have, at last, found your true self?

    “You never get there. Nobody does. You become more of yourself as time passes by. . . .

    Heritablity (not parenting) means you can’t escape your family:

    I tell him: You’re making me see that “The Ties That Bind” is not a love story but about the DNA family ties you can’t escape.

    The bonds of your personal family,” he says, “but also the ties you can’t break among your community and your fellow citizens. You can’t forsake those things. It’ll rot your core at the end of the day.

    And yet there is always an exception. Donald Trump has somehow escaped his true nature to become the Ghost in the Machine:

    If you want to see someone who’s—look at Trump. He has forsaken a lot of these things, and it’s affected him. He’s deeply damaged at his core.”

    Because he forsook the ties, the bonds?

    “Absolutely. That’s why he’s dangerous. Anyone in that position who doesn’t deeply feel those ties that bind is a dangerous man, and it’s very pitiful.”

  255. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous

    After reading those excerpts I gotta conclude: Huntington wasn’t very smart after all. Just another establishment thinker.

    Not quite:

    Who Are We?: The Challenges to America’s National Identity

    by Samuel Huntington

    Now in his controversial new work, Who Are We?, Huntington focuses on an identity crisis closer to home as he examines the impact other civilizations and their values are having on our own country.

    America was founded by British settlers who brought with them a distinct culture, says Huntington, including the English language, Protestant values, individualism, religious commitment, and respect for law. The waves of immigrants that later came to the United States gradually accepted these values and assimilated into America’s Anglo-Protestant culture. More recently, however, our national identity has been eroded by the problems of assimilating massive numbers of primarily Hispanic immigrants and challenged by issues such as bilingualism, multiculturalism, the devaluation of citizenship, and the “denationalization” of American elites.

    https://www.amazon.com/Who-Are-We-Challenges-Americas/dp/0684870541

    There’s a whole lotta thoughtcrime in that book….

    • Agree: Charles Pewitt
  256. J1234 says:

    My theory is that that liberals like this guy actually want non-Jews to resent or despise Jews in order to perpetuate the victimhood narrative. So they writes articles like this one – no content, but a lot of banner waving where a Jew says to non-Jews, “Look what I can say about your ethnicity that you can’t say about my ethnicity.”

    It’s a trap that I won’t be manipulated into.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  257. @Anonymous

  258. Hail says: • Website
    @Jack D

    Incidentally, Jeb and Coh-LOOM-bah Bush have three children: Texas Land Commissioner George P. Bush (b. 1976), Noelle Bush (b. 1977) and John Ellis “Jeb Jr.” Bush (b. 1983). As adults, Noelle is the most Mestizo-looking of the three; George P. is the least.

    In the “Are They Sending Their Best?” department:

    All three Jeb Bush children have made the news for being arrested — disorderly, drunken, or drug-related behavior in their teens and 20s.

    - George P. was arrested for trespassing while drunk when he was 18 (1994) but this was not revealed until the 2000 campaign, and there were no charges. George P. was already campaigning to rally the Hispanic vote for Dubya as of 2004 and he has, AFAIK, had a squeaky clean image his entire adult life.

    - Noelle was engaged in a seriously self-destructive, criminal lifestyle and got jail time; a drug addict and wreck in her 20s pursuing the shabby criminal sort of lifestyle that follows from crack cocaine addiction. She is doing better now and has recently turned 40.

    - Jeb Jr., who looks himself like a Florida drug dealer in many pics, made headlines in 2005 for public intoxication and resisting arrest.

    That was then, of course, and people change. But the Central American Amerindian ancestral component stays put, with political ramifications for all of us if this family continues to somehow stay at the forefront of the Republican Party.

    John Ellis Bush (nicknamed “Jebby” and “Jeb Jr.”), mugshot from 2005

    Noelle Bush, public LinkedIn photo, circa 2015

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  259. Clyde says:
    @LondonBob

    Yes, Arafat is such a smart gentile that you get stuck with Londonstan. The double edged sword of Islam.

  260. Hail says: • Website
    @Franz

    That was in the 1950s. The fix has been in longer than the sheep think.

    It was always a long-drawn-out, dynamic process over almost a century; I think major gains had been made by the 1950s but the process was only complete by the latter part of the 20th century. There was never a sudden collapse of White-Protestant Power and a sudden takeover by Jewish Power.

    The “fix” that has always been “in” surely has been the disciplined ethnocentrism by the one group, providing them a tilted playing field that has magnified their cognitive and other advantages, while White-Protestants and other White-Christians play on a much more level field. East Asians, as well, are good at exploiting this same dynamic, to our disadvantage.

    As for Gore Vidal, born in 1925, I don’t think he was ever a White Protestant ethnocentrist, just someone with strong ties to the USA as it was before Jewish ascent began in earnest, and an unusual knack for honesty and bluntness. Any comparable U.S. figure out of the 19th century, if transplanted to latter 20th century America, would react the same to the situation, IMO.

    • Agree: utu
  261. @Anonymous

    When Abraham Lincoln, for example, said that “our union must be preserved,” he offered up all four of sons as sacrifice.

    Lincoln’s oldest son, Robert, was a Harvard undergrad during the war, graduating in 1864. He then entered Harvard Law before leaving in January 1865 to join General Grant’s staff for the last few months of the war. The only danger he may have faced during the war would have been from liquor.

    No other Lincoln child served.

    Jeff Davis did not have sons of military age during the war.

    FDR did have four sons who served in WWII.

    OT re: FDR – His five children had 19 marriages and 14 divorces between them and every child had at least two marriages and one divorce.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  262. Clyde says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Yes Linda Ronstadt was very cute and desirable in her day. Put out some good music too.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Reg Cæsar
  263. @Dieter Kief

    Obama loves talking about genetic diversity and sports. I’ve collected about 3 or 4 examples of where in the last few years he got totally going on the topic even though his audience was baffled by why he was telling them this.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  264. @Steve Sailer

    It helps that he looks like Dana Carvey.

  265. Goldstein, don’t talk to Kayleigh like that. You are asking for trouble.

  266. @Clifford Brown

    Nothing is more disgusting than a man hyperventilating in the presence of women. Do you lot no longer set behavioural expectations for your men?

    How about a simple rule of thumb–if the women are calm, be calm!

  267. Jack D says:
    @Svigor

    I don’t know whether they do this graphic all the time – it happens to be Hanukkah right now. Hanukkah is early this year. Happy Hanukkah, Svigor!

  268. Gunner says:
    @Anon

    Their response was that he paid people to pass for him.

  269. @Tyrion 2

    This article makes me really like George HW Bush. It seems practically hagiographic on his personal qualities and identity. Indeed, the main thrust of the criticism is that his politics betrayed his essence.

    How can anyone miss that Foer is criticising GHWB for his politics and not his persona?

    It’s both. You’re right that it isn’t really a straight up Jewish attack on WASPs. It’s mostly an attack on Bush’s politics, mostly on race. But the anti-WASP shots are all there.

    Basically, its attacking Bush/WASPs for not being liberals–particularly racial liberals. Even though, of course, the WASPs actually generally were America’s racial moderates, and often liberals–and Bush obviously so.

    So, the attack is essentially that Bush/WASPs … stayed Republican. Cue “Nixon’s southern strategy”–i.e. Nixon having the temerity to compete for the votes of previously Democratic white southerners! And Bush didn’t stop it. That’s basically it. WASPs like Bush are evil because the Democrats racial program is virtuous, and Bush stayed Republican, ergo is racially evil.

    Since Bush was–pretty obviously–a racial liberal/moderate, “Republican==racist” is pretty much all Foer’s got. The only racial angle Foer has from Bush’s actual campaign/presidency:

    The notorious Willie Horton ad of 1988, which crudely stoked racial fears, is often dismissed as the handiwork of the consultant Lee Atwater, not an expression of George Bush’s heart. But really it was a plot point consistent with the narrative of his career: A man who wanted to be lauded as a force for racial progress frequently positioned himself on the side of abject racism.

    Yep … Willie Horton! LOL.

    Democrats love to obsess over the Willie Horton ad, but like Foer they are just somehow constitutionally incapable of understanding why it was perfectly–and non-racially–legitimate.

    The Willie Horton case doesn’t demonstrate anything about race, it demonstrates two very common liberal/Democrat behaviors:
    – pie in the sky, good-thinking
    – inability to understand simple incentives (to “get the incentives right”)

    The furlough program itself was pie-in-the-sky stupidity. Criminals are … criminals. Not “misunderstood”. Not “under-privileged”. No. Screwups at best, but usually flat out “bad” people. Normal non-liberal people understand this.

    But the over the top insanity was furloughing murders, with life sentences. That wasn’t supposed to be part of the original program, but the Massachusetts supreme court imposed it. The legislature immediately passed a bill to fix it, and Dukakis vetoed that. That’s the key point.

    A murderer like Horton serving a life-without-parole sentence, simply has *no incentive* to behave on furlough. What are you gonna do … lock him up for another life? He can go out and “have fun” with absolutely impunity! That’s what Horton did, beat a guy up, tie him up, spend the day raping his wife, then take off in his car. (These folks were actually lucky Horton didn’t kill them. Other folks were lucky Horton he didn’t extend his home visits to more folks.)

    Ordinary people can see that furloughing a life-sentenced murderer is just nuts. But Michael Dukakis–bathed in his liberal virtue, not only could not see it, worse Dukakis actively–pompously–stopped the Massachusetts legislators who could see it, from stopping it. Dukakis is directly responsible for Horton’s crimes. They were entirely foreseeable. And Dukakis acted to make sure Horton had a chance to commit them.

    In short the Willie Horton ad was effective, not because it showed there are big scary black criminals–everyone knows that–but because it showed that Dukakis was precisely one of these clueless, but arrogant liberals, who can not understand basic “incentives” and puts his liberal virtue signaling ahead of the lives and safety of regular Americans.

    Rather than some sort of unfair racially-charged ad, the Willie Horton ad, is the most fair, legitimate and on-point political ad, I’ve ever seen. It highlighted a particular instance of Dukakis’ ideology, judgement and character that clearly demonstrated his utter unfitness for any public office.

    Foer, of course, can not admit that, because pie-in-the-sky thinking and concocting public polices with bad incentives are continual liberal political behaviors, and pomposity and denial about those failures continual liberal character traits. Ergo … Bush is a racist!

    • Agree: Abe, Tyrion 2
  270. Hail says: • Website
    @Alastair Trumpington

    A google search for that, or for ‘Christmas’ itself, yields a cartoon of a red-suited Santa helping a dark-skinned child get a star on top of a Christmas tree.

    Does this qualify as pro-Christmas? It is certainly pro-Santa. At least it’s not blacked-out like Easter has been for twenty years running.

    Google Doodle‘ wiki sez:

    Every year since 1999, Google has used a special international doodle as either one logo, or several interconnected logos, spanning at least the day of December 25 (sometimes beginning as early as December 20, and ending as late as December 27). Many of the logos have had winter themes, despite it being summer in the Southern Hemisphere, but few have had explicitly Christmas themes, opting for generic gift-giving instead. Google has rarely if ever used the word “Christmas” in relation to these Doodles, though multiple news sources have.[34][35] Google has used terminology including “season’s greetings”, “happy holidays”, “’tis the season”, “end of year”, and “holiday series” to describe the Doodles.

    December 3 seems very early to have started this. I would not be surprised if it’s because of the early timing of Hannukah.

  271. The notorious Willie Horton ad of 1988, which crudely stoked racial fears, is often dismissed as the handiwork of the consultant Lee Atwater, not an expression of George Bush’s heart. But really it was a plot point consistent with the narrative of his career: A man who wanted to be lauded as a force for racial progress frequently positioned himself on the side of abject racism.

    Wasn’t Willie Horton used by Al Gore in the Democratic debates against Dukakis and GHWB brought it up again later in the Presidential debates? Or is that “an inconvenient truth” (to coin a term) that nobody’s supposed to remember, much less mention?

  272. Ibound1 says:

    Pretty funny – the Arabists’ and James Baker’s favorite country – Saudi Arabia, now seems to be in a quasi-alliance with Israel. Who is more upset? The Arabists or the neocons?

  273. Jack D says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    It’s not like Vidal was in the closet . Vidal was quite open about his perversions. And it’s not like he was seeking revenge on the Podhoretzes only. Vidal was just the inheritor of a certain kind of old school WASP anti-Semitism. A certain type of old school WASP finds the Jews distasteful, like wearing white after Labor Day.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Reg Cæsar
  274. Jack D says:
    @Clyde

    Time is not kind to most of us, but it is especially unkind to some women.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  275. Art Deco says:
    @Hail

    Jeb Bush’s sons are perfectly functional adults, gainfully employed, each married to his first wife, and each with children. That one got into a tacky quarrel with his girlfriend 24 years ago and the other had too much to drink one evening 13 years ago would ordinarily be considered matters of little consequence.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @pele
    , @Hail
  276. Hhsiii says:

    I just passed Church of the Resurrection, a small Episcopal Church on 74th off Park. It’s high Episcopal. I belong to the larger St.James on 71st and Madison. More mainline/open. Al Roker goes. Resurrection had a picture of George HW by the side entrance. It said George Herbert Walker Bush. 41st President of the United States. Communicant of the Episopal Church.

    Last night we went up to the Presbyterian Church at 92st and Park. Sang carols as they lit up Park Avenue trees 59th to 96th. Pretty crowded.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
  277. Jack D says:
    @Fred Boynton

    FDR – His five children had 19 marriages and 14 divorces between them and every child had at least two marriages and one divorce.

    It’s hard to think of shittier parents than FDR and Eleanor (outside of drug addicts, etc.) They were too busy to devote any time or attention to their children. This was fairly normal for men of their generation but normally you at least had your mother. Eleanor burned with hatred at FDR’s infidelity and she probably took it out on his children.

    High WASPs often delegated child rearing to the help anyway. If you are looking for the reasons for the downfall of American WASPdom this is as good a reason as any. Apparently WASPs thought that showing any love or affection or attention to your children would spoil them so better to ship them off to boarding school at the earliest possible age where they could be raised by suitably indifferent people. This would toughen them up. British upper class did the same.Contrast FDR himself, whose momma thought that he was the best thing since sliced bread.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Twinkie
    , @Anon
  278. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    old school WASP anti-Semitism. A certain type of old school WASP finds the Jews distasteful, like wearing white after Labor Day.

    Gore’s maternal side relatives were out of the Deep South and his paternal-side relatives from the upper Midwest.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  279. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Apparently WASPs thought that showing any love or affection or attention to your children would spoil them so better to ship them off to boarding school at the earliest possible age where they could be raised by suitably indifferent people. British upper class did the same.

    This is an absurd statement, cribbed from Matthew Yglesias’ grandmother. Boarding schools encompass a tiny minority (< 1%) of the secondary school population.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Mr. Anon
  280. Svigor says:
    @Anonymous

    Jews did all the pioneering work on racism and dindunuffinism, eons ago. I know this sounds like sarcasm but it’s not. They blazed those trails and now nobody gives them credit, not even the Jews!

  281. @MikeatMikedotMike

    They are running trailers for Vice on ESPN, which means they already think it’s a dud.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  282. Svigor says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Dude the racial political orientation of diaspora Jewry is leftism. The racial political orientation of Israeli Jewry is nationalism. These are the two main branches of a single racial political orientation: Jewish Supremacy, AKA, “is it good for the Jews?” This is why the two groups get along so famously.

  283. Art Deco says:
    @Franz

    Jackie Onassis noted that Vidal’s nemesis Bill Buckley was a fag too.

    When and where did she say that? Buckley was married for 57 years and had a child and grandchildren. (His wife had fertility problems and the child they had was the only pregnancy she didn’t miscarry). Buckley himself had no gayish interests or hobbies.

    • Replies: @Franz
    , @Steve Sailer
  284. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    A cousin thru marriage attended Andover (and Yale) with GWB. He didn’t impress him intellectually (not to say that he was dumb – 125 probably puts you around 50th percentile at Andover, so not bottom of the class but not top either) but he impressed him for his social intelligence and graciousness – he said that Bush was the kind of guy who knew every student (and would have a nickname for them t00). He would organize snowball fights and get everyone involved, even the guys who were socially unpopular or unathletic (e.g. my cousin). GWB is smart enough and by no means dumb but he is not one of the great intellects of our age either. Then again Obama is probably about the same but was portrayed in the press as a genius with sharp creased trousers.

  285. Svigor says:
    @Art Deco

    Jewish animus and prejudices against rural whites – particularly southern whites – aren’t a caricature, they’re a monumental cultural institution.

    • Agree: utu
  286. @donut

    Vidal had a correspondence with Tim McVeigh while he was waiting to be executed .

    There was another Timothy McVeigh in the news at the time, filing a don’t-ask-d0n’t-tell lawsuit. Perhaps he got the two confused!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McVeigh_v._Cohen

  287. nsa says:
    @utu

    Sailer censored a previous comment re Perot and the Izzie Lobby, so here is the same thought cleaned up a little. Perot was a 5′ 4″complete non entity with a squeaky voice and gnome like aura……but the (((lugenpresse))) promoted the silly old coot relentlessly with lots of free postive coverage and adoring punditry, knowing intuitively most of the Perot votes would be taken from the supposed antisemite, Bush. Later, polls were concocted by the same (((lugenpresse))) to prove Perot votes came equally from both Bush and Clinton, which of course is laughable. Used to really enjoy the simpering Bush whining about getting rolled by the Izzie Lobby…….a truly pathetic human being and what passes for an aristocrat in the great republic.

  288. @Jack D

    We all knew he was queer. The Podhoretzes sin was (still) believing that there was something wrong with that.

  289. @Clyde

    Yes Linda Ronstadt was very cute and desirable in her day. Put out some good music too.

    That wasn’t singing, that was yelling.

  290. Jack D says:
    @Franz

    Vidal was sorta related to Jackie. Vidal’s mother divorced his father and husband #2 was Hugh Auchincloss, a high WASP. They divorced and Hugh’s next wife was Jackie’s mother. So they shared a step-father.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  291. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Yes Linda Ronstadt was very cute and desirable in her day. Put out some good music too.

    That wasn’t singing, that was yelling.

    Ronstadt was a great pop singer, arguably the best to have been working in her heyday.

    I didn’t think she was all that super attractive, but by no means reprllent.

  292. Corn says:
    @TTSSYF

    “This relative (a yellow-dog Dem, by the way) told me that the men absolutely loved him.”

    I’ve read from multiple sources that whatever you thought of his politics, H Dub was a very gracious man in person. Cokie Roberts once said on a personal, non-political level he was her favorite president that she covered.

    It’s hard to sort out gossip from fact but supposedly he was well liked by the White House domestic servants. Having been raised rich he was taught to treat them with grace and noblesse oblige.

  293. Svigor says:
    @Art Deco

    Jews have had this “Anglo-Saxons are soulless” campaign going since forever. E.g., The Stepford Wives, Mad Men, psychoanalysis, the Frankfurt School, etc. Or maybe Ira got it from mama Yglesias, too. They do the reverse on behalf of blacks; blacks be awesome in unquantifiable ways, ‘n’ sheit.

    Jack’s just a lot more traditionally Jewy than you.

    • Replies: @Anon
  294. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    It’s nice that they cleaned up their acts but the fact that all 3 kids managed to get arrested says something. Most upper class people manage to avoid being arrested even once unless they have a problem with drugs or alcohol.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  295. syonredux says:
    @Jack D

    Vidal was sorta related to Jackie. Vidal’s mother divorced his father and husband #2 was Hugh Auchincloss, a high WASP. They divorced and Hugh’s next wife was Jackie’s mother. So they shared a step-father.

    I can never remember…. What was author Louis Auchincloss’ relationship to Hugh?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  296. Twinkie says:
    @Jack D

    especially unkind to some women.

    Clean living helps. Women in the entertainment industry are already self-selected (negatively), and rough living on top of that makes it worse.

  297. Twinkie says:
    @Jack D

    Apparently WASPs thought that showing any love or affection or attention to your children would spoil them so better to ship them off to boarding school at the earliest possible age where they could be raised by suitably indifferent people. This would toughen them up. British upper class did the same.Contrast FDR himself, whose momma thought that he was the best thing since sliced bread.

    For all that, the WASP elite was inculcated with a sense of noblesse oblige and duty toward their country. Far more scions of WASP families died with pistols in their hands leading ordinary men in defense of their country and its interests than Jews ever did (excepting for Israel, of course). The sons of British aristocracy did the same for their country. Despite the withering economic and social attacks on them prior to Eorld War I, the sons of the gentry died galllantly in droves at Passchendaele. We’d be lucky to have such elites.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  298. @Anonymous

    Jews. We feel an affinity with the Jews in Israel. Same way a WN might care about Germany becoming brown. You got a problem with that?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Art
    , @Anon
  299. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Debbie had her first chart hit in the US since, well, since GHW Bush was President just recently:

    https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/8487268/debbie-harry-first-alternative-songs-hit-since-1990-just-loud-soul-train

    Of course, with Blondie, she had a #1 hit with “Maria” everywhere but in the US.

  300. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anon

    The best tax reform would to totally eliminate the charity tax deductions.

    I’d go along with that.

    Close down the colleges and universities as well. Establish trade schools for drs nurses engineers and other scientific occupations.

    I have no problems with that either.

  301. syonredux says:

    Interesting cuckold fantasy from Eric Levitz…..

    Ever thought about how much greenhouse gas emissions will increase if we don’t sterilize all American men? Ever thought about how much greenhouse gas emissions will increase if we allow people in the Third World to attain higher living standards through development?

    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
  302. @Anonymous

    No. There are some Anglo-saxon Catholics around New Orleans and Atlanta. My brother’s inlaws are such a family. Also i would assume there are some in England too…Tolkien as a good historical example. There are as many Anglo Catholics as there are French Protestants.

    As an aside growing up there was a good size Italian community in my hometown…not like in the NE but enough to where probably 20 percent of the white kids in my high school class had Italian surnames. Anyway more of them were Baptist than Catholic. Religion is less tied to ethnicity in southern suburbs. Maybe because religion was a big social thing …especially back in the 1990s and early 2000s.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Ed
  303. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Jack D

    It really depends which Jews. The Jewish Left at this point likes Palestinians (at least notional ones, just like they like notional Blacks more than real ones) a lot better than they like gun toting religious bearded Jewish West Bank settlers.

    So as well as there being Goodwhites and Badwhites there are now Goodjews and Badjews?

    Which makes sense. What matters most is not your gender or your race or your religion – what matters most is your political orthodoxy, and how useful you are to the Narrative.

    If you’re not politically orthodox or not useful to the Narrative then being black or homosexual or Jewish won’t save you.

  304. @PiltdownMan

    Another wasted white womb. (Jerry should have made her Mrs. Brown and knocked her up. They’d both have lived better lives and be happier today.)

  305. @Tyrion 2

    The personal is now political, so former distinctions between objects ethnic, cultural, and political are less useful than before. A political disagreement may also be a cultural and ethnic disagreement.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  306. Anonymous[122] • Disclaimer says:
    @Oleaginous Outrager

    There’s also the perennial Jewish conviction that gentiles are conspiring against them.

    This really is what the ‘golfocaust’ was all about. The desire to penetrate these gentile social spaces was less motivated by a yearning for the company of WASPS, than by a desire to disrupt the anti-Jewish plots supposedly being cooked up by those WASPS in their private secret gatherings.

  307. @Tyrion 2

    Race isn’t primary in that many whites voted for a mixed race man over a clearly white man for President. It’s primary in the sense that the vast majority of those whites who voted for Mr. Obama associate, communicate, and work with, signal to, and look for support and confirmation from, primarily white folks, not black.

  308. @Jim Don Bob

    You mean you don’t think the negro worshiping audience of ESPN finds Dick Cheney interesting?

    Insanity!

  309. Jack D says:
    @syonredux

    His grandfather was the brother of Hugh’s father – so 1st cousin once removed? Hugh was 20 years (one generation) older than Louis.

  310. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    My mistake. That was meant as a general comment, not a reply to you.

  311. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    This, for starters, dips**t:

    https://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/US-Jews-contribute-half-of-all-donations-to-the-Democratic-party-468774

    The reason for such intense scrutiny is the outsize contributions of Jewish donors to US political campaigns, with Jewish donors contributing a whopping 50% of funds received by the Democratic Party and 25% to the Republican Party, Troy says.

  312. pele says:
    @Mr McKenna

    NO,the (((media))) sowed the descent of GHWB after the loan brouhaha which led to an opening for Ross Perot to pounce.

  313. Mr. Anon says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Speaking of Dick Cheney, there’s a movie coming out called “Vice” (I believe) with Christian Bale playing Cheney and Steve Carell as Rumsfeld. Looks like it’s going to be a perfectly honest piece of storytelling.

    I’m torn on that one. I would be happy to see a critical – even highly critical movie – about Dick Cheney. If Oliver Stone made one, I’d probably go see it (and maybe believe 30% of it). But Adam McKay is such a d**k, I don’t want to give him a single dime.

  314. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    He was talking about the wealthy, idiot.

  315. Anonymous[679] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Far more scions of WASP families died with pistols in their hands leading ordinary men in defense of their country and its interests than Jews ever did (excepting for Israel, of course).

    Which wars, specifically, were fought to defend the United States’ citizenry from a material threat? You can elaborate on what, exactly, you mean by “interests,” if you so desire, because unspecified “interests” are typically used in these discussions as a vacuous, axiomatic justification for war.

    Let me helpfully list some examples of wars the US has participated in that were not in any way necessary to protect American citizens from obvious, tangible dangers:

    —The Civil War
    —The Spanish-American War
    —World War 1
    —World War 2
    —The Korean War
    —The Vietnam War

    In all of these cases, the US could easily have either not initiated or not joined the conflict at no meaningful human or material cost to American citizens. Soldiers in these wars may have demonstrated admirable personal courage and competence, but they were not fighting to protect American citizens.

    Furthermore, while I don’t really care about the WASP/Jew thing—as Jewish elites have certainly supported their fair share of hideous, destructive wars—I find your claim that the willingness of WASP elites to usher their social inferiors into pointless bloodbaths shows how, uh, virtuous and noble they were a bit puzzling. Personally, I think that it would be a better demonstration of noblesse oblige on the part of elites to consider extremely carefully the costs and benefits of proposed wars, and not send the easily manipulated proles to their deaths en masse as the result of a foolish mistake.

    The British elites who served their countrymen most honorably in World War 1 were men like Bertrand Russell and Siegfried Sassoon (himself a decorated and extremely courageous soldier), who used their privileged positions to speak out against the war.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @syonredux
    , @Twinkie
  316. Twinkie says:
    @International Jew

    Jews. We feel an affinity with the Jews in Israel. Same way a WN might care about Germany becoming brown. You got a problem with that?

    I have a problem with that. I would like a citizen to pick one country, to which he pledges allegiance and is loyal. That goes for Jews and “WNs.”

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @International Jew
  317. @Jack Hanson

    Guess civil war in the West is one of those fainting couch topics too dangerous for this blog.

    Right, because Sailer is just a boomer conformist to the reigning ideology. I wish Steve wouldn’t advocate for diversity, miscegenation, and unlimited immigration; but I especially despise his disgusting preference for Islamic, feminist and LBGTquerty supremacist ideologies. Yep, Steve’s a bastard.

    But hey, be of good cheer, the (genuine) civil war will start here soon enough. And I am sure Steve will cover it to your satisfaction, even if you are fighting and (way, way) too busy to notice.

  318. @syonredux

    Yeah, it is the same ol ‘precious third world people so angelic & innocent just waiting to make a perfect world – once oppressive Whitey is out of the way’.
    These Levitz types are legit dangerous. Civilizational Deathwise by overdose of Virtue Signalling & Wishful Thinking (with a chaser of Haha Whitey Payback time)

  319. pele says:
    @Art Deco

    But the daughter, who is a dead wringer for their 3’2″ mother was an arrested crack whore.

  320. In The Atlantic, Franklin Foer explains that nostalgia for George H.W. Bush is anti-Semitic:

    Isn’t this article counter to the trend in most of print and television news at the moment, though? My impression is that liberals/liberal Jews like GHWB more than GWB and a lot more than DJT.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  321. Svigor says:
    @Whiskey

    The cops are standing down and taking their helmets off in solidarity with the protestors. Apart from CRS they’re overwhelmingly nationalist in their sympathies.

  322. Svigor says:
    @Twinkie

    As if there’s some equivalence to be had there, lol.

    Never mind that white men made this country, by way of violent revolution. Just STFU already.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Twinkie
  323. @Svigor

    Odd how such a progressive race has instituted mandatory military service in its own ethnic homeland, without controversy.

    Ah, but they did it in progressive fashion, by drafting women too.

  324. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous

    Which wars, specifically, were fought to defend the United States’ citizenry from a material threat? You can elaborate on what, exactly, you mean by “interests,” if you so desire, because unspecified “interests” are typically used in these discussions as a vacuous, axiomatic justification for war.

    Let me helpfully list some examples of wars the US has participated in that were not in any way necessary to protect American citizens from obvious, tangible dangers:

    —The Civil War
    —The Spanish-American War
    —World War 1
    —World War 2
    —The Korean War
    —The Vietnam War

    In all of these cases, the US could easily have either not initiated or not joined the conflict at no meaningful human or material cost to American citizens. Soldiers in these wars may have demonstrated admirable personal courage and competence, but they were not fighting to protect American citizens.

    Tried to resist, but the flesh is weak…. Must confine myself to the first one on the list…Sans the Civil War, we would have had the the Balkanization of North America, not exactly an enticing prospect…..Intervention by foreign powers (cf the French move into Mexico), the Union and the Confederacy squabbling over choice bits of territory (West Virginia, East Tennessee, Arizona, New Mexico, etc)…..Definitely a dark timeline….

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Craig Nelsen
  325. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous

    The British elites who served their countrymen most honorably in World War 1 were men like Bertrand Russell and Siegfried Sassoon (himself a decorated and extremely courageous soldier), who used their privileged positions to speak out against the war.

    Can’t help myself…..who were the German elites who served their countrymen most honorably in the First World War…..

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @utu
  326. Art says:

    Franklin Foer is less in significance, than a pimple on G W H Bush’s posterior.

    p.s. The J-MSM did everything to stop a second term for Bush Sr.

  327. Art says:
    @International Jew

    Jews. We feel an affinity with the Jews in Israel.

    Jews. How insulting calling 9/11 and all the wars that followed “affinity.”

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

  328. One thing WASPs knew that Jews have yet to learn: Constantly thumping your own tub broadcasts insecurity. Yet another reason why anyone would rather be WASP than Jewish.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Anonymous
    , @Marty T
  329. Anon[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    If you want to know how the kids will turn out, look at their grandparents. This can be very revealing because kids are a mix of the genes of their grandparents. The children of Franklin and Eleanor were carrying some awful genes.

    Eleanor’s father, Elliott, was a hard-core drunk and a laudanum addict. He impregnated a family servant, and he neglected his daughter. Eleanor’s mother, Anna Hall, a noted beauty of her day, mocked her daughter’s looks by calling her Granny. What a nasty woman to do that to her own child. Theodore Roosevelt thought she was a frivolous woman. Anna was prone to depression (which failed to give her any wisdom or insight), and her two brothers were both alcoholics and spendthrifts. Both of Eleanor’s parents topped off their crappy parenting by dying young.

    In other words, Eleanor’s parents were a genetic disaster. Both had rotten personalities, were carrying addictive genes, and had poor health.

    As for Franklin, his father James doesn’t appear to have been too bad, but everyone who’s ever read much about Sara Delano, his mother, can tell she had an awful personality. She was spoiled rotten and as arrogant as a whipcrack. Her father Warren was a trader who sold opium to the Chinese, and he had no moral qualms about it. He was the fentanyl drug pusher of his day.

    All in all, the recent ancestors of the Roosevelt kids were mostly bad, pointing to an excessive accumulation of bad genes when Franklin and Eleanor had offspring.

    Odd tidbit. Wiki says Eleanor had tuberculosis, and it was one of the causes of her death along with heart failure. That’s what you get from too much lady bountifuling.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  330. Anonymous[679] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Tried to resist, but the flesh is weak….

    Sadly, my own spirit is weak, or else I would practice good gentlemanly courtesy and fail to inform you that you should be much more concerned in this instance with the severe weakness of your reasoning than that of your flesh.

    Sans the Civil War, we would have had the the Balkanization of North America, not exactly an enticing prospect

    Firstly, there is no reason to believe that this would be the case—indeed, I believe that James McPherson himself in Battle Cry of Freedom admitted that contemporary pro-war arguments that allowing the South to secede would result in infinite further successions were beyond credibility in a serious analysis. There was no political issue with the explosive salience of slavery dividing either the remaining US states or the potential CS states.

    Secondly, there’s nothing necessarily wrong with “Balkanization” per se—a single multi-ethnic polity often serves everyone’s interests worse than multiple polities where individual groups have strong majorities. Consider, for example, the vicious and bloody politics of Middle Eastern countries like Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, which are substantially the result of the insecurity that each individual ethno-religious group feels about its share of power in a multi-cultural society. (I don’t know enough about the particulars of the situation to render judgement, so I’m quite susceptible to having my mind changed here, but my impression is that this is true of the actual Balkans as well, in that the Serbs attempted to violently suppress the secession of other groups from Yugoslavia, rather than trying to seek an international settlement based on peaceful and orderly transfers of population. The Balkans definitely seems a lot more peaceful now than it did 30 or 110 years ago, at any rate.)

    Thirdly, as a point of fact, the 4 states of the Upper South only joined the Confederacy after the US decided to mobilize forces to invade the seceding states; quite possibly, at least some of them would have remained in the US had the Lincoln administration decided to allow the CS to secede.

    Fourthly, if you oppose the “Balkanization” of North America, I assume you’re a fervent opponent of the American Revolution, which broke up the glorious unity of the British Empire on the North American continent?

    Fifthly, if the US had allowed the CS to secede, I suspect that, as passions cooled, over time most if not all of the CS states would have elected to rejoin the union. (Considering the reconciliation that did in fact occur after the Civil War.) I would still oppose the war even if the CSA were to remain independent in perpetuity, to be clear, but I’m just saying that this is a baseless argument in favor of the war.

    Sixthly, I would personally describe the death of 620,000 Americans and the (often quite serious) wounding of 475,000 more Americans, in addition to the massive economic damage caused by the Civil War as “not an enticing prospect.” Indeed, perhaps I would even use harsher language than “not an enticing prospect” to describe the needless slaughter of thousands of honorable Americans at Antietam, Gettysburg and Cold Harbor.

    Intervention by foreign powers (cf the French move into Mexico)

    Firstly…ok, so what? Suppose the French had established a puppet regime in Mexico. So what? Do you think they either would have wanted to or would have been able to pull off an invasion of the US or CS during the Franco-Prussian War?

    Secondly, I can think of nothing that would so swiftly knit the US and CS together than a genuine threat by a non-American power. (This is not an endorsement of Seward’s insane proposal at the outset of the crisis, to be clear.)

    the Union and the Confederacy squabbling over choice bits of territory (West Virginia, East Tennessee, Arizona, New Mexico, etc)

    Oh no! There might even be a war between the Union and the Confederacy over contested territory in that case!

    Definitely a dark timeline….

    Well, the one you’ve described, at least, sounds better than our actual timeline.

    • Agree: utu
  331. Anonymous[679] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    The German elites who spoke out against the insane folly of the war, which proved especially disastrous for Germany, of course.

  332. @syonredux

    Instead of Mexico, Canada, and the United States sharing North America, we would have had Mexico, Canada, the United States, and the Confederacy sharing North America? Since slavery was dying out anyway, I don’t see where the Civil War was really all that necessary.

  333. Hail says: • Website
    @Art Deco

    You omitted that the daughter, the most Mestizo-looking of the three, was a hardcore drug addict for much of her teens and 20s and committed crimes to prop up her habit, for which she was put in jail.

    What % of adults are ever arrested? What is the probability that 3 of 3 children in a family have all been arrested?

    • Replies: @Ed
  334. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I’m beginning to think Hillary is a shoo-in for the Dem nomination because everyone else that’s trying for the slot is even worse.

    What about O’Rourke, Sherrod Brown, Gabbard?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  335. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    Is Vidal a Scandinavian or Baltic name?

    • Replies: @Flip
    , @Matra
  336. Anon[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    What other ethnics call ‘soulless’ in whites is actually an old cultural tradition of stoicism that goes all the way back to the Greeks. It was one of the traits the Puritans admired in the Greeks, and they tried to copy it themselves. Being unemotional and calm was a way of showing manliness. The Puritans looked down on people who could not control themselves, and WASPs are direct descendants of the Puritans.

    • Replies: @Anon
  337. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I had a chemistry teacher named Calvin Delano in high school. He was an exact copy of Tim Kazurinsky’s SNL character Jack Badofsky in speech, mannerisms, everything. Apparently he was a cousin of FDR through the Delano line.

  338. Hail says: • Website
    @San Fernando Curt

    Anyone would rather be WASP than Jewish.

    The Jews have an amazing tale of persecution that everyone knows and sympathizes with, sometimes called the Big H. The Jews are thus saintly victims; heroes, really.

    What do the WASPs have? Nothing, that’s what. No persecution at all.

    No gas chambers, no street cred.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @PiltdownMan
  339. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    No need to be rude. Twinkie is a good man and means well.

  340. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @San Fernando Curt

    One thing WASPs knew that Jews have yet to learn: Constantly thumping your own tub broadcasts insecurity. Yet another reason why anyone would rather be WASP than Jewish.

    The WASPSs have gone extinct.

  341. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Isn’t Kahlo a Jewish surname?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  342. utu says:
    @syonredux

    Bertrand Russell opposed to war and even was sent to prison.

  343. dfordoom says: • Website
    @istevefan

    Isn’t the rural/urban split a sort of proxy for the racial divide?

    Wouldn’t it be more a class thing?

  344. duncsbaby says:
    @clyde

    I don’t think you understand what the term butter face means.

    noun
    •a woman with an attractive body, but an ugly face. (Etymology: she’s hot “but her face.”)
    My blind date last night was a total butterface.

    http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/butter-face

    • Replies: @Clyde
  345. duncsbaby says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Thanks, pics of Linda Ronstadt are always appreciated.

  346. @Twinkie

    I have a problem with that. I would like a citizen to pick one country, to which he pledges allegiance and is loyal.

    I agree completely. But loyalty to the USA need not rule out affinity or sympathy, in moderation of course, for certain other countries.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  347. duncsbaby says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    I just looked it up, having never seen the movie, but in “W.” about Bush II, Dick Cheney was played by Richard Dreyfus. As far as I can tell he was the only Jew to have a starring role in that movie. Let the neocon mists thicken . . .

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  348. Franz says:
    @Art Deco

    When and where did she say that?

    Jackie hated both Vidal and Buckley, being a woman of taste.

    When Buckley wouldn’t drop the suit against GV, she was still an editor for some well-connected people and got her former relative Vidal a dossier on Buckley, which a 70s rumor stated contained a signed deposition a former Yalie pal of WFB which alleged a series of sex acts in return for school work. It at least implies Buckley’s brilliance at Yale was paid for and not earned.

    The rumor was long gone and put down to sour grapes till Darwin Porter, of all people, wrote a book called Jackie: A Life Beyond Her Wildest Dreams a year or so back. It fleshed out the details, which surprised everyone because WFB’s estate used to sue at the drop of a hat but nothing of the sort came this time.

    Wife and kids means nothing in this case. Lots of men experiment a few years then settle down. But what infuriated Jackie was the Right’s total hypocrisy on this subject. Like J. Edgar Hoover and Senator Joe McCarthy, powerful fruits hating the powerless ones is no longer funny. Those who practice class warfare should be called out for it.

    Especially since the whole open borders/free trade bunch use sex to distract from their real agenda, the Final Solution of European Man.

  349. @Art Deco

    Buckley and Vidal were quite similar in affect. Now that they are less famous, you can almost get video of each one confused with the other. Vidal was not very effeminate for a gay, and Buckley was a particularly boyish straight man in his prime. Buckley had been a British public schoolboy and knew how to be charming in the Brideshead Revisited manner that Americans find suspicious.

  350. @duncsbaby

    Steve Carrell looks really implausible as Rumsfeld. Bale looks just like Cheney, but Bale tends to do that. Sam Rockwell as GWB is inspired.

  351. @Anon

    One thing public school people don’t realize about the elite and ordinary private schools is how open they were and still are to middle class and poor kids with high intelligence.

    Correct. There are probably 50 boarding schools in Massachusetts and only three or four could remotely be called “upper class” and even those are celebrating “diversity.”

  352. Pheasant says:
    @slumber_j

    Ive had this sort of behaviour from Jews in the past also. Basically what is happening is they feel comfortable enough to reinforce their Jewish identity through negative reinforcement (they know WASPS are harmless). The more you try and make them feel comfortable the more they will act put out and try and make you feel bad. They will realise you are trying to make them comfortable and take advantage. It is the difference between assertive people who can be polite and insecure people who have to be rude and play silly mind games (behind the Chutzpah most Jews are insecure which is why they would rather be among their own a lot of the time).

    It sounds counter-intuitive but try and be a little rougher next time. Leave questions hanging, deliberately misinterperate things etc. Give it a little edge but not too much. The Jew will then quickly shape up and adjust his attitude realising he is not among company that will tolerate his shit.

    Try it it works!

  353. Pheasant says:
    @Jack D

    ‘but don’t ask someone to leave unless they have done something really extreme’

    god its John Murray Cuddihy’s ordeal of civility all over again. Unless the guy was just having a bad day I would just ask him to leave. You can usually detect when someone is being rude in a passive agressive way.

  354. anon[853] • Disclaimer says:

    So, the Ruling Class hates H.W. because he was insufficiently loyal to a foreign country? Don’t we have a military that is supposed to protect us from domestic enemies?

  355. Twinkie says:
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    Isn’t this article counter to the trend in most of print and television news at the moment, though? My impression is that liberals/liberal Jews like GHWB more than GWB and a lot more than DJT.

    Do you find that, for the MSM, good/honorable Republicans are always dead Republicans?

    They are always “fair” to the dead ones who, by definition, can’t do any harm to their cause. They are rarely, if ever, so kind to these honorable, dead Republicans when the latter were alive.

  356. Twinkie says:
    @International Jew

    I agree completely. But loyalty to the USA need not rule out affinity or sympathy, in moderation of course, for certain other countries.

    Sympathy? Sure. But that must pale in comparison to actual loyalty to one’s country.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  357. Twinkie says:
    @Svigor

    Just STFU already.

    Go back to mom’s basement and stay there, and don’t interrupt adults when we talk. My little kids are better mannered and civilized than you.

  358. Pheasant says:
    @Anon

    ‘Jews consider William Buckeley to be some kind of ultra WASP aristocrat from a long line of WASP aristocrats. He wasn’t. He was Catholic and his grandfather was a humdrum Texas cowboy and deputy sheriff from a
    hardscrabble farm.’

    Its mainly because he presented himelf as an aristocrat type. He had a quote saying he would rather be governed by the first 2000 names in the cambridge (massachusets) phone book than the current government.

    ‘The Fords of Ford motors aren’t WASPS either. They are Irish from N Ireland. Henry 1 and his ancestors were Protestants but ethnic Irish Celts.’

    If i recall correctly they had ancestors from cork where fors opened a plant in the 30s

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  359. Twinkie says:
    @Anonymous

    None of your ranting and what-if’s is salient to my point, which is that WASP scions were more than willing to do their duty and make sacrifices even with their lives. Ever since Jews have come to dominance, however, the elite presence on the rolls of the dead and wounded has shrunk dramatically. Self-serving elites who are unwilling to share danger with ordinary men are unworthy to rule over the latter. It’s called LEADership for a reason.

    As to which wars were worthy of the precious lives of our citizens, I have my opinions, but that has nothing to do with the aforementioned point.

    • Replies: @Ed
    , @Anonymous
    , @Tyrion 2
  360. Pheasant says:
    @S. Anonyia

    ‘Tolkien as a good historical example.’

    Second generation german immigrant

  361. @S. Anonyia

    English Catholics (“recusants”) maintained population pockets all over England and Scotland – Lancashire particularly. I know a fair few Catholics who are of English descent rather than Irish.

    Some of the Catholic landowning families (the Norfolks/Howards, the Berkeleys, the Welds) also hung onto their lands and chapels. There are Catholic services at Spetchley Court, where the Berkeleys maintained the chapel for Catholic worship, and at Lulworth Castle, where the Welds do the same.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recusancy#Recusant_families

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  362. Ed says:
    @S. Anonyia

    Speaking of Anglo-Catholics, the Catholic Herald is opening up in USA:

    https://pagesix.com/2018/12/02/catholic-herald-magazine-launches-in-nyc-with-swanky-lunch/

    Conservative British Catholics came to New York and reintroduced the natives to the three-hour lunch.

    Sir Rocco Forte — here to launch an American version of the 130-year-old Catholic Herald magazine — hosted a luncheon Thursday at the Knickerbocker Club for 30 guests and 57 turned up.

    “The Americans were quite surprised that wine was being served and many of them seemed to forget they were supposed to get back to work,” laughed one Brit.

  363. Ed says:
    @Twinkie

    Anonymous posters are becoming a problem on this board. It’s not as if folks are using their real name here but the quality of comments by folks using the anonymous handle are often trollish in nature.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  364. Ed says:
    @Hail

    A generation ago you’d never even know they were arrested. Someone would talk to the local police chief or politician and they’d be quietly bailed out, records expunged.

    Except for the daughter the crimes are very minor and could be filed under boys will be boys category.

  365. Hibernian says:
    @Hail

    “What do the WASPs have?”

    The United States of America.

  366. anon[840] • Disclaimer says:

    “Anonymous posters are becoming a problem on this board.”

    No, they’re not. At all. Some of the bests posts I’ve read on Unz have come from various anons, and nothing stops Sailer or others from simply not approving comments they don’t like. Besides, there is nothing stopping a troll from making up some random name and posting here. Attacking the “anon” handle is just a way to gatekeep the comments. It wouldn’t be so hard for a real troll (say a guy from the ADL or SPLC) with an agenda to come here, post under a random name, and then falsely assert “anon” is a problem so as to discourage comments they didn’t like – say, the more politically incorrect ones – or to better create databases for tracking posters and their comments as they are forced to use one handle only. That’s a common provocateur tactic, btw – attacking commenting policy so as to manipulate it in your favor. Don’t fall for it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  367. Marat says:
    @Wilkey

    GHWB made good on his NWOspeak, manufacturing the first of a continuing series of ME entanglements. He gave us the concept of our ‘Allies’” (list them, everyday!) for American Empire War n, where n is a positive integer. What else? “The embedded press” – at a time when Atlanta’s CNN was trusted and Bernard Shaw ruled the airwaves from hotels. “Pentagon briefings” that people tuned in to on their lunch breaks! Fabricated fuss with a dictator, fabricated pretexts for war, and a headlong rush into strikes as the Senate was voting (in a pathetic midnight show). It was all so heady and new, until the Highway of Death broke the media spell.

    And then, if you own a business, his ADA legislation may affect your life in strange ways no one could foresee until someone recognizes a way to sue the socks off of you!

  368. Anonymous[361] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pheasant

    ‘The Fords of Ford motors aren’t WASPS either. They are Irish from N Ireland. Henry 1 and his ancestors were Protestants but ethnic Irish Celts.’

    They didn’t migrate over from England or Scotland?

    • Replies: @Flip
  369. Anonymous[361] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Good post.

  370. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Neil Templeton

    That’s an infantile attitude.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  371. Tyrion 2 says:
    @anon

    Ok. So it doesn’t make you money per se, it just helps you avoid tax. That is you get the tax back on your money after washing it as a donation through an NGO?

    I suppose that could happen but there are much more efficient ways to avoid tax than this, and ones that draw a lot less attention to yourself.

    Also just one NGO employee could, in this circumstance, hold any of the donors ransom at any point and for a dazzling amount of money. That is not a system built to last!

  372. anon[104] • Disclaimer says:

    Jeffery Goldberg, the former Israeli prison guard, is the head honcho over at The Atlantic and suddenly it is anti-Semitic for Americans to like a president who actually stood up for our interests by standing up to Israel? Didn’t Mueller bust a bunch of Russians for trying to influence public policy and elections here?

  373. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Jack Hanson

    The Weekly Standard is not an English magazine. I gave an accurate summary of the English attitude and then admitted my own ignorance. Do you require me to travel to Paris to check for you? I looked at EuroStar weekend tickets the other day in the hope they’d be cheaper, but they’re not. It seems no one here thinks it is that big a deal. Perhaps it is? Perhaps someone like Durocher can provide some insight? Alas, I cannot. French strikes ruin English children’s holidays, and become boring annoyances as a result. That might not be fair, but it is a fact

  374. Tyrion 2 says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I know a number of English Catholic families. It is remarkable how long it survived as a thing.

    Interestingly, the two I know well of my generation both had CofE weddings.

  375. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Neil Templeton

    Taking everything personally is the type of solipsistic behaviour infants don’t have the behavioural development to overcome. Adults are supposed to. Otherwise we end up in a passive aggressive madhouse of microagressions, quotas and representation.

    Or rather, we’ve already ended up in it. The fact that people are more offended by racial words being inappropriately used than actual personal invective is an obvious symptom.

    If someone calls me a kike, I’m not going to cry about it, but if they find a flaw in my actual character and bring it to my attention, I might. The former is just a rude (and strange) word, the latter could be a damning personal indictment.

    I always think that these mental infants must be exhausted from all of this taking things personally but then I realise they save a lot of energy by never empathising. It just makes then very tiresome to deal with, especially when it is applied to politics.

    • Replies: @Anon
  376. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Ohs Tinys……

    Lendgerp “Cums to the reelizashun dats everyone Blacks asians Latinx Jews Muslims all thinks you guys are the” pitts

  377. @Anonymous

    Among Texans at large, certainly, but among Texas oilmen, pre 911?

  378. @Anonymous

    What about O’Rourke, Sherrod Brown, Gabbard?

    O’Rourke is a joke. Gabbard is too young.

    However, Sherrod Brown would be a very formidable candidate against Trump. He can more or less count on the Democratic base, but he’s an equal or greater protectionist/China trade sellout than Trump.

    Trump tweets well, but got derailed by Ryan, Invanka, Kushner, neocon appointees and basically has failed to deliver on the nationalist program he campaigned on. Brown would make it tough for Trump to repeat the victories in the Great Lakes states, and hence win.

    I imagine the globalist Dem money will hold its nose on Brown’s trade positions–being perfectly happy with him on gays and guns and immigration and the like–and support him to take out Trump. Once elected they’ll neuter him on trade.

  379. @Trevor H.

    Didn’t follow the link but without New Orleans on the list it’s hard to take seriously.

    Maybe a lot of the sinners got shipped out to Houston after Katrina and haven’t gotten back yet?

  380. hhsiii says:
    @Hhsiii

    I meant to add, this time of year, maybe Foer saw that picture of Bush by the Episcopal Church, or heard the carolers, and it was triggering. We’re still here, dude.

  381. @Twinkie

    Do you find that, for the MSM, good/honorable Republicans are always dead Republicans?

    Haha, indeed. Or at least politically defunct ones. As Steve wittily remarked on the passing of the late Senator McCain earlier this year: “John McCain was the best kind of Republican in Democrats’ view: a loser.”

  382. bjondo says:

    Any movie about Cheney should be titled, “Traitor Dick”.

    5ds

  383. Marty T says:
    @Felix Keverich

    That’s ridiculous. Many non Jews care about Israel’s well-being and security, especially evangelical Christians. Not everyone despises jews, sorry to break it to you.

    • Replies: @Anon
  384. Clyde says:
    @duncsbaby

    I don’t think you understand what the term butter face means.

    Oily greasy face? I can see I was wrong.

  385. Marty T says:
    @San Fernando Curt

    Maybe Nantucket, boarding school Wasp but not West Virginia opioid addict Wasp.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  386. When George H. W. Bush passed, so did the last true wasp.

    WASP = White Anglo-Saxon Protestant

    The last true WASP? Is there something about Barbara Bush or the Bush children that we haven’t been told?

    But George H. W. Bush came from an elite cluster … these families existed in an inbred world that for many decades self-consciously segregated itself by race, religion, and class.

    Projecting much? If anything, the new elite is more inbred, and more self-segregated by race and religion, than the old. It is also considerable smaller.

  387. Anonymous[149] • Disclaimer says:
    @Marty T

    WASPs = New England Puritans.

    • Replies: @Flip
  388. Anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    None of your ranting and what-if’s is salient to my point, which is that WASP scions were more than willing to do their duty and make sacrifices even with their lives. Ever since Jews have come to dominance, however, the elite presence on the rolls of the dead and wounded has shrunk dramatically. Self-serving elites who are unwilling to share danger with ordinary men are unworthy to rule over the latter.

    On the contrary, my points were clearly salient to this contention. I do not believe that fighting in a war of aggression, or of nominal altruism, is a duty. (Though, certainly, fighting to protect one’s kin, community and patria from a genuine threat is.) Thus, while the courage of individual men was often admirable, I do not believe that the participation of WASP elites as a class in the imperial wars that they supported reflects particularly well upon them. I then further contended that the foolish decision to go to war in the first place was a damning failure of those elites far outweighing their wartime service.

    Personal courage is not the most important attribute for leaders of state. For instance, I suspect that Adolf Hitler was a considerably braver man than Otto von Bismarck; but Bismarck was an incomparably greater and more succesful statesman than Hitler. Uncounted numbers of unassuming common men demonstrate respectable personal courage in wartime. What elites need to distinguish themselves and earn their privileged positions is the ability to make wise judgements about complex issues of statecraft. An area in which Anglo-Saxon elites failed tragically in the mythical late-Edwardian period that you cite. (To be clear, once again this is not meant as an endorsement of our current Jewish elites, who can certainly be fairly criticized on several important grounds.)

    To put it another way: If a nation’s elites order the masses to jump off a cliff, I don’t particularly care whether or not the elites jump off first. The jumping off of the cliff in the first place is what I’m concerned with.

    As to which wars were worthy of the precious lives of our citizens, I have my opinions, but that has nothing to do with the aforementioned point.

    As I’ve demonstrated, it has quite a bit to do with the previous point. Of course, if you want to be evasive on this issue I can’t really blame you, as it is quite hard to defend most of the wars that the US has fought on patriotic grounds. (To say nothing of moral ones.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Twinkie
  389. Anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed

    I comment anonymously as opposed to pseudonymously because, when presented with deficiencies in their arguments, the instinct of most people, even most educated and intelligent people, is to seek out irrelevant potential personal flaws in the interlocutor or to shift the focus to other arguments that the interlocutor has made. I myself always try to judge other people’s arguments on their individual strength; by commenting anonymously, I force any opponents of my arguments to do the same.

  390. Flip says:
    @Anonymous

    Per Wikipedia, Gore’s great grandfather was born in Feldkirch, Austria of Romansh (Swiss) background.

  391. Flip says:
    @Anonymous

    Somerset, England

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Flip
  392. Flip says:
    @Anonymous

    Yankees are the New England Puritans. I think WASP refers to the old money Eastern Upper Class (which can include the Dutch like the Roosevelts).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  393. @Svigor

    Then there are all the Jewish genetic disorders.

    Well, there’s only one that says all that’s required: Tay-Sachs.

    It’s pretty much only found amongst first-cousin-fuckers – Bayou People, Québécois, and Ashkenazim.

    Is it karma or kismet when participation in a stupid primitive insular race-cult leads to predictable genetic fuckups? Maybe a bit of both.

  394. Matra says:
    @Anonymous

    I saw an interview some 25 years ago in which he said he was of Romansch background on his father’s side.

  395. Anon[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Marty T

    If you do, you have Stockholm Syndrome. Period.

    If you aren’t Jewish, the Jewish political apparatus hates and wishes to destroy your people. Per their scripture and actions.

  396. Anon[982] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Just FYI, “Tyr”, the root of “Tyrion”, is the German iteration of the name of the Indo-European Father God.

    As a Jew, you using the name “Tyrion” is like a Nazi using the name Adonis. Its fundamentally self-contradicting. I mean, by all means, but just so you know.

  397. Anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew

    When Jewish political power tells us that we can’t feel an affinity with Germans or Germany, as they do, then, yeah, “we got” a problem with that.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  398. Anon[631] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew

    Republicans have become much more, almost unanimously, pro-Israel.

    You obviously aren’t on the ground. Israel support, for a while, was a type of culturally sick proxy for the White Nationalism that the Jews, themselves, were blocking. That transitional era of Isreali support is eclipsing everywhere. Your targets may be slow to move as a group, but in the end a lie looks like a lie and oppressors become obvious to everyone.

    For it was easier to get worked up about Jews colonizing the West Bank thirty years ago, than it is now.

    That’s wishful thinking. There are many more people aware of the plight of the Palestinians now than there were even ten years ago, as a percentage. In the end, people are mostly empathetic with victims and mostly not on your side in general.

    In an age when your scripture and beliefs are out in the open, to include your ritual punishment of the Philistines…ahem…I mean Palestinians in their exact Biblical territory, your long term optics are poor. Liberalism is no longer what the cool kids are doing and, in the end, you will have to rely on raw, open, and physically enforced oppression of thought and speech. That means that your days of working from within the system and thus of your supposed widespread support are numbered. You can’t make the majority dependent on you for highly paid acting gigs.

    Today we live in a new golden age of colonization in which Arabs (and many others) are fanning out and colonizing Europe, North America and Australia.

    What you mean to say is that we are living in an age of Jewish enforced open borders of other nations, consistent with your Torah mandated instructions to cut off and destroy these nations.

    Palestine, even more than America, has always been a country of immigrants

    Reused supremacist propaganda is tacky.

    No one is going to forget nor continue to ignore your imprisonment of millions of innocent people over a period of decades.

  399. Anon[104] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    That’s one ugly Neanderthal broad.

  400. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Wiki says Eleanor had tuberculosis, and it was one of the causes of her death along with heart failure. That’s what you get from too much lady bountifuling.

    I’m stumped. Is this yet another euphemism for mussypunching? And if it is, can you cite a TB reference??

  401. utu says:
    @PiltdownMan

    It was pretty cowardly to have Joe Pesci who everybody associate with Italian Mafia roles standing for Meyer Lansky. The same casting decision was made in Crash which is a film after all about various ethnic groups (minus the Jews) in LA where Tony Danza plays a Hollywood executive.

  402. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Flip

    Then they weren’t really ethnic Irish, correct?

  403. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    is like a Nazi using the name Adonis. Its fundamentally self-contradicting.

    In what way is Adonis the contradiction of Nazi?

  404. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Bismark wasn’t a soldier and had no military experience yet liked to appear in public wearing military uniform, for which he was much mocked behind his back by actual Prussian officers. (Presumably the mockery stopped after 1870.)

  405. Twinkie says:
    @Anonymous

    Of course, if you want to be evasive on this issue I can’t really blame you, as it is quite hard to defend most of the wars that the US has fought on patriotic grounds.

    Don’t project and don’t play an amateur psychologist to “win” an argument. Contrary to your assertions about the moral superiority of commenting anonymously, what you are doing is also a form of ad hominem.

    If anyone is being “evasive,” it is you. Note that the point in question is about the respective merits of the WASP elites of the yester years versus the Jewish elites of today. Note, also, that you mention neither group and completely avoid that comparative question.

    Certainly you – on a separate note – can make arguments whether this or that war of America’s was just, moral, efficacious, useful, strictly in self-defense or not and what have you. But that is not in contention here, and it certainly wasn’t my point (for the third time). Perhaps you are not aware of the concept of duty. Duty isn’t about doing what you like. It’s not about doing something, with which you agree. It is doing something that you may dislike (may, in fact, abhor) or something you think is counter-productive and may also be something that leads to your own death, but doing so nonetheless (often with a heavy heart), because it is being asked of you by the country or its duly elected leaders. It is an obligation.

    So, if a leadership class of people is dutiful, it will do what is unpleasant, unpalatable, etc., because it is obligated to do so by the rights of privilege and because it is absolutely the right thing to SHARE DANGERS WITH ORDINARY PEOPLE who are also being asked to do the same thing and may not have the choice of avoid doing so.

    In this test of duty, the WASP elites of the yester years pass. Today’s Jewish elites do not. Those WASP elites may or may not have been good stewards of the country. They may have been unwise, foolish, or whatever name you wish to call them. But they gave their own children to the causes to which they committed the rest of the country… unlike today’s Jewish elites who benefit from their status and power, yet sacrifice other people’s children to their goals overseas.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  406. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anon

    Phew, I thought with all these SJW types about you were going to start ranting about cultural appropriation.

    Regardless, I don’t see it aa self-contradicting. Nazis hated Jews, but I generally like Germans.

  407. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Twinkie

    Perhaps you are not aware of the concept of duty. Duty isn’t about doing what you like. It’s not about doing something, with which you agree. It is doing something that you may dislike (may, in fact, abhor) or something you think is counter-productive and may also be something that leads to your own death, but doing so nonetheless (often with a heavy heart), because it is being asked of you by the country or its duly elected leaders. It is an obligation.

    With wars there are two contradicting duties. The duty to serve and the duty to conscientiously object. Stop pretending that these aren’t in tension merely to impress a few internet Nazis.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  408. Che Guava says:
    @utu

    Thanks for also recalling that, utu.

    I know that King Bush the First did some bad things, but fewer than (at least) his two predecessors, and far fewer than his successors.

    As you, a reader, was reading of the campaign to deny him a second term, and since, whence it originated.

    The frequency of Anon commentors here in recent months is irritating.

    Most of them never use their user-name, just to register an account, then post as anon.

  409. Flip says:
    @Flip

    I’ve never thought of the Fords as Irish. I have Presbyterian ancestors from Ulster and I don’t think of them as Irish either.

  410. Twinkie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    With wars there are two contradicting duties. The duty to serve and the duty to conscientiously object.

    1. The two are not contradictory. You can object conscientiously and still serve, and serve well. Something that some of you alienated, self-centered types don’t seem to understand about duty and the military ethos – you can certainly provide your input and indeed you should to the best of your ability, whether as a citizen or as a soldier. But once the decision has been made by the country, it’s leadership, or your superior officers, and a course of action has been set, it is time to do your best to make that plan work to the best of your ability, no matter what you think of that plan of action. Duty isn’t picking and choosing.

    2. The Jewish elites today aren’t withholding their sons from service because of conscientious objection.

    Stop pretending that these aren’t in tension merely to impress a few internet Nazis.

    Stop the stupid distractions and evasions. None of this has to do with the fact that today’s Jewish elites come off poorly in comparison to the WASP elites of the past, particularly in the self-sacrifice department, something about which some of you seem intensely and purposefully obtuse.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Johann Ricke
  411. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Twinkie

    I guess you weren’t tremendously attentive in the military. I know the Americans do an annual test similar to the UK MATT 7. Had I ever had cause to instruct something like that to soldiers under my command every year, I would know you don’t have a clue.

    TLDR: as a soldier you have a duty to disobey an unlawful order.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  412. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Twinkie

    Ever since Jews have come to dominance, however, the elite presence on the rolls of the dead and wounded has shrunk dramatically.

    I don’t think Jews have ever came go dominance, but I can’t help but notice that since the Vietnam war the rolls of the dead and wounded have shrunk a lot more dramatically even than the elite presence on them.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  413. Twinkie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    as a soldier you have a duty to disobey an unlawful order.

    More obfuscation, and not even a good one.

    “I don’t think this is useful (effective, moral, good for the country, etc.)” is not the same thing as an unlawful order, which has very specific, narrow definition.

    I guess you weren’t tremendously attentive in the military.

    Sounds like you had lots of subordinates second-guessing your decisions.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  414. Twinkie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I don’t think Jews have ever came go dominance,

    In what world do you live?

    but I can’t help but notice that since the Vietnam war the rolls of the dead and wounded have shrunk a lot more dramatically even than the elite presence on them.

    Wrong again. One look at the obits sections of Ivy League alumni magazines should disabuse you of the idea. Yes, casualty rates have declined dramatically, but elite presence in them has fallen even more dramatically.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  415. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Twinkie

    Wrong again. One look at the obits sections of Ivy League alumni magazines should disabuse you of the idea. Yes, casualty rates have declined dramatically, but elite presence in them has fallen even more dramatically

    I disagree but I also note that the elite presence has fallen equally for Gentiles as for Jews.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  416. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Twinkie

    “I don’t think this is useful (effective, moral, good for the country, etc.)” is not the same thing as an unlawful order, which has very specific, narrow definition

    The law of armed conflict is exactly the opposite way of how you describe it. Are you just LARPing as a vet?

    Your tedious rant about me, without any knowledge, being the alienated and self-serving type and not getting duty strongly suggests that you are indeed a Walt.

    Especially since you did not take it back.

    I suppose Walts will do as Walts will do. Just try to remember to make sure that the medals you buy at the charity shop are actually possible to have been earned by a single soldier!

    Lance Major Sergeant Twinkie, reporting for duty….

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  417. Anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:

    Everybody was dodging the Vietnam war, not just Jews and leftists. I notice that the current U.S. president also managed to avoid going there even though he was of age.

    In defense of these people, everybody back then was expecting the “real war” to break out in Germany and no smart and ambitious young man wanted to go fight barefoot peasants in a war that was a sideshow to a sideshow.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Art Deco
  418. @jim jones

    Working class ignored by the left. No leftist able to talk to people – and reach them in the way, Trump does. All that’s missing here is the immigration problem, then Bruce Springsteen would qualify a follower of the Steve Sailer / Scott Adams path deep into Trump-territory.

  419. Anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @Flip

    Yes, it originally meant Wealthy Anglo Saxon Protestant, which makes a lot more sense. At some time for unknown reasons ‘Wealthy’ got switched to ‘White’ which is not only redundant, but leads to the kind of confusion seen here.

    We should distinguish between WASPs (bzzz) and ASPs (hiss)

    • Replies: @rufus
  420. @Steve Sailer

    I know only one of your Obama quotes so far – the one from his last press conference. The book would be interesting.

  421. @Twinkie

    None of this has to do with the fact that today’s Jewish elites come off poorly in comparison to the WASP elites of the past.

    I’d say today’s elites of any ethnicity or religion come off poorly. They’re great at striking moral poses (i.e. creating unworkable rules of engagement for the battlefield) but lousy at actually showing up on the battlefield. The two may be related. Easy to talk in a high-flown way about morality when you’re out of harm’s way. From today’s elite perspective, our fighting men are just pieces on a chessboard in a way they wouldn’t be if their sons were on the front line.

  422. @Anon

    Those generous Jewish and other donors save about $400,000 in taxes for every $100,000 they donate to all those bogus NGOs.

    If you’re a tax accountant that has made this work for your clients without them being audited up the wazoo, there’s a huge untapped market for your services.

  423. Twinkie says:
    @Anonymous

    Everybody was dodging the Vietnam war, not just Jews and leftists.

    No, not everyone. My father-in-law and his brothers served, as did their sons in the GWOT. They are Midwestern rural (though very affluent) whites with a long family history of service to this country (one of their ancestors was a Continental Army officer). Military service is increasingly segregated among certain families in the Midwest and the South.

    • Replies: @rufus
  424. rufus says:
    @Anonymous

    Remember the real money maker in the family was George Walker. From Maryland and Missouri. Active in the Atlantic trade including slaves etc. Merged his merchant bank into famous Brown Brothers & Harriman. His son in law, whom he set up there, was the first exceptionally affluent Bush.

    Kennebunk estate was named by this guy. Both men lived and worked all over the US.

  425. rufus says:
    @Twinkie

    Forbes Kerry, Pershings. Duty want quite over yet for these guys

  426. Twinkie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    The law of armed conflict is exactly the opposite way of how you describe it.

    That’s rather interesting seeing as how I never described “the law of armed conflict.”

    Your tedious rant

    You and your projections.

    medals you buy at the charity shop

    Is this more projection? (Do they sell medals at charity shops?)

    I’ve found that people who can’t out-argue others, who then go around accusing the latter of being liars and posers and such are more often than not liars and posers themselves. They are what they are and assume that others are the same.

    It appears that you are a Jew who is simply unwilling to recognize the fact that Jewish elites of recent years have been more self-serving and less sacrificial than those they replaced.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  427. Twinkie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I disagree

    Something like 7-8% of the population is a veteran. Meanwhile, less than 1% (something like 0.2-0.4%) of Ivy League students are veterans. In fact, for decades since the 60′s you couldn’t even do ROTC at Ivy League universities (and had to go to neighboring schools to do ROTC). It’s only very recently that ROTC programs were re-established at several Ivy League universities.

    I also note that the elite presence has fallen equally for Gentiles as for Jews.

    That’s true, but it’s also more obfuscation. Jewish percentage in the military is a fraction of the WASP rate, and the elites as such are much more disproportionately Jewish today than in the past.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Tyrion 2
  428. @Anon

    “Tyr” comes from the Greek word for cheese.

  429. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Twinkie

    That’s rather interesting seeing as how I never described “the law of armed conflict.

    Actually you did, Walt. Either you are very thick and you did not understand one of the basic requirements of being a soldier or you are a liar.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  430. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Twinkie

    You might simple visit here and look at the chart for “Wars ranked by US Combat Deaths”.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war

  431. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Twinkie

    You’re the one obfuscating. You’d need to compare elite with elite. I.e you’d need to adjust for socioeconomic and regional differences.

  432. Twinkie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    you are a liar.

    Predictable.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  433. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Twinkie

    Educate yourself at the link below so you can Walt more believably in the future:

    https://loacblog.com/loac-basics/4-basic-principles/

  434. Anon[318] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    The Puritans didn’t give a damn about Greece. They cared about Zion and a lot of other stuff, but in the quarrel of Athens and Jerusalem it’s pretty obvious where they stood.

    Milton was a decent classicist but that sprang from his learning, not his religion.

  435. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    It’s nice that they cleaned up their acts but the fact that all 3 kids managed to get arrested says something.

    No it doesn’t, but people here are bound and determined. Two of them were arrested for petty public order offenses. There’s no indication of problems in living before or after.

    Noelle Bush actually is a troubled character and her life is sadly truncated in several different ways; what’s amusing is that on boards shot through with genetic determinists, people are bound and determined to look on Jeb and Columba Bush as somehow culpable in this. I’ve seen people with lousy peri-adult children be witlessly ineffectual dealing with them, but it’s still the kid who is the active agent. And I’ve seen worse outcomes than what you see with Noelle Bush. Since neither her father nor her mother use street drugs or have a history of academic failure or obesity, I’m not sure what sort of parental instruction you fancy induced this behavior in Noelle.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  436. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous

    Everybody was dodging the Vietnam war, not just Jews and leftists.

    No, only small populations were contriving to avoid service through violating the law or finagling. Bill Clinton, Bernie Sanders, and Rudolph Giuliani all received some sort of special dispensation and it’s a reasonable wager AM McConnell did as well. None of these four, btw, came from influential families, nor did any come from abnormally prosperous families.

    Student deferments weren’t available to most, but they were granted per an impersonal procedure and distributed routinely to the children of schoolteachers and insurance agents – roughly 1/4 of each cohort. I-Y deferments of the sort Donald Trump had were available to someone of any stratum who had a triggering problem. Most people didn’t receive one, but about 12% of the age cohorts examined during the period running from 1965 to 1973 received one (while another 12% received categorical (4-F) medical deferments) . The odd ‘ministerial exception’ deferment Mitt Romney received wasn’t a class-delimited dispensation. Newt Gingrich was excused because he had dependent children, an exception offered during World War I, the first two years of World War II, and the Korean War. It’s not class delimited either. Making use of these legislated exceptions is not a dodge.

    If you’re looking at the most vulnerable bloc of cohorts (those born from the beginning of 1943 to the end of 1950), ~22% were posted in theatre at some point, many of whom had duties which never put them in harm’s way. Being shot at in VietNam was an atypical experience for men of any description in that era.

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